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| 00:00.10 | cshaman | dondelelcaro, ah. i thought i had to use useradd |
| 00:00.12 | quinlan | wish me luck |
| 00:00.20 | nn- | hf |
| 00:00.36 | strider | bab_: modprobe ieee80211 and then modprobe ipw2200 |
| 00:01.03 | bab_ | I did that, and the ifconfig -a, and only lan card appears |
| 00:01.08 | bab_ | ... |
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| 00:01.32 | strider | bab_: iwconfig? |
| 00:01.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | SerajewelKS: Thanks, that did it for me. |
| 00:01.45 | d03boy | can someone help me installing these effing experimental modules? |
| 00:01.52 | d03boy | before I throw my comp out the window |
| 00:01.58 | SerajewelKS | GenNMX|Thrae: np |
| 00:02.16 | Pollywog | I am doing a dist-upgrade to testing atm |
| 00:02.20 | Pollywog | on another machine |
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| 00:02.23 | bab_ | iface doesnt show there either... |
| 00:02.59 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: was kernel-package 8.135 too old to build the 2.6.15 kernel? Now upgraded, but each rebuild is pretty long, so if you have additional insights, please share... I was using make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-ilmarinen binary-arch this time, trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.15-ilmarinen/modules.usbmap', which is also in package kernel-image-2.6.15. I'm running this under the debian binary kernel-image-2.6.15 packag |
| 00:03.15 | strider | bab_: do you get no wireless extensions? |
| 00:03.25 | nn- | does anyone have a clue how start hotplug only for a specific set of devices? |
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| 00:03.30 | nn- | I need usb only |
| 00:03.30 | bab_ | funny is, it doesnt complain or anything, it takes the modprobes find, and then does nothing... |
| 00:03.43 | dondelelcaro | BACbKA: you'll have to remove that kernel, or use a different append-to-version |
| 00:03.52 | bab_ | no interfaces with WE |
| 00:04.03 | Pollywog | set that in the hotplug config files, it's been a while since I have done that though |
| 00:04.04 | bab_ | WE are installed, though... |
| 00:04.08 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: without the dash, e.g.? |
| 00:04.18 | dondelelcaro | BACbKA: no, as in a totally different name. |
| 00:04.28 | nse | hello everybody! I want to create a script to make a backup of my files at my server using the scp program. Is there a way to do a script that will give my password to scp in order to avoid me typing it all the time? |
| 00:04.32 | dondelelcaro | BACbKA: or, you remove the old kernel. |
| 00:05.04 | Pollywog | nse yes but unless you mean ssh-agent it is not recommended |
| 00:05.07 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: oh! you're saying I should first remove my partially installed broken custom kpkg? |
| 00:05.14 | dondelelcaro | BACbKA: right. |
| 00:05.32 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: gotcha, sorry... obvious in the hindsight, sorry for being stupid |
| 00:05.43 | Pollywog | nse: have you tried ssh-agent? |
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| 00:06.26 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: hurray!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:06.44 | nse | Pollywog: never... there's just me in my machine, I think there's no problem |
| 00:06.45 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: purged the prev instance, and installed the latest build |
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| 00:07.10 | Pollywog | there is a howto I believe it is at linuxjhournal.com that tells you how to put that in scripts if you want to do that |
| 00:07.14 | strider | bab_: you can check with lspci. It should have detected your card. run dhclient or configyre wpa etc if you need. |
| 00:07.21 | Pollywog | linuxjournal.com |
| 00:07.24 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: you've saved me from a pointless recompile of the package with the same failure in the end... |
| 00:07.26 | Pollywog | search under ssh |
| 00:07.32 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: thanks again |
| 00:07.36 | dondelelcaro | BACbKA: np |
| 00:08.42 | nse | ok |
| 00:09.18 | nse | Pollywog: but ssh-agente can do it easier to me, right? |
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| 00:10.59 | Pollywog | nse: ssh-agent won't work in scripts |
| 00:11.05 | SperMite | is this right? ssh -l root@ 192.168.15.101 |
| 00:11.11 | Pollywog | not unless you are logged in when you run them |
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| 00:11.22 | SerajewelKS | SperMite: no space after @ |
| 00:11.23 | resiak | SperMite: try it and see? |
| 00:12.04 | Pollywog | they have to be attended, the howto tells you how to run them without being logged in |
| 00:12.14 | Pollywog | SperMite: ssh hostnale -l root |
| 00:12.19 | Pollywog | hostname |
| 00:12.27 | nse | Pollywog: is there a way to tell scp the password trought a flag, in the same way we can tell the login? |
| 00:12.28 | bab_ | strider: the interface doesn't show with lspci... could it be that the kernel source I compile from is tired of so much patching and compiling? I just checked .config again, and ipw2200 is on... |
| 00:12.50 | Pollywog | nse I don't understand the question |
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| 00:13.04 | SerajewelKS | nse: no, and doing so would be incredibly stupid |
| 00:13.06 | dooglus | SperMite: just ssh root@192.168.15.101 will do it |
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| 00:13.12 | strider | bab_: custom kernel? |
| 00:13.12 | offff | Which is the best method to work with 2 ips (virtual) "alias" eth0:1... Or using iproute (ip addr IP dev ethx)? |
| 00:13.12 | SperMite | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 00:13.15 | Tchiak | is there any program that can be used to detect new IDE drives after boot? |
| 00:13.28 | SperMite | wouldnt let me put the passwd in |
| 00:13.52 | Pollywog | SperMite: you need to allow password logins until you set up keys |
| 00:14.02 | dooglus | nse: you can use a key to log in, instead of passwords - then it won't prompt for anything |
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| 00:14.16 | nse | Pollywog, SerajewelKS: Ok, I'm convinced, I'll type the password all the time |
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| 00:14.26 | bab_ | wow... correction.... it is there, with lspci. It is a "stock kernel" as u call it, I got it from kernel.org, but I changed the .config... |
| 00:14.32 | SerajewelKS | nse: or you could get off your ass and RTFM about keys |
| 00:14.35 | Pollywog | nse passphrases are more secure |
| 00:14.35 | dooglus | nse: or, set up a public/private key pair - then you don't need passwords |
| 00:14.41 | bab_ | sorry, I'm tired... |
| 00:14.50 | SperMite | Pollywog |
| 00:14.52 | SperMite | ok |
| 00:14.52 | Pollywog | and you can use ssh-agent so as to just type the passphrase oe time |
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| 00:15.24 | strider | bab_: np, so am i ;) it should be there as modprobing worked |
| 00:15.25 | nse | I'll RTFM about keys then |
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| 00:15.45 | Pollywog | nse the howto will tell you about keypairs and also how to script logins |
| 00:15.54 | Pollywog | and it warns you about the latter |
| 00:16.10 | nse | Pollywog: which howto? |
| 00:16.38 | yetistomps | Has anyone done a net installation b4 (the iso image that's about 150 megs) ? |
| 00:16.38 | Pollywog | nse: search for "ssh" at linuxjournal.com |
| 00:16.46 | bab_ | but ifconfig doesn't show it... and iwconfig doesnt either... |
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| 00:16.52 | bab_ | how can I access it? |
| 00:16.53 | Pollywog | the howto is there |
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| 00:17.08 | yetistomps | I am about to install Debian for the first time, so I would like to avoid major surprises. |
| 00:17.14 | resiak | !ig |
| 00:17.15 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 00:17.16 | yetistomps | My hardware is compatible. |
| 00:17.28 | Supaplex | it can add! |
| 00:17.42 | bab_ | dhclient tries to configure my pain in the ass firewire, and the lan card, but ignores ipw2200 |
| 00:17.58 | resiak | bab_: read dmesg. have you downloaded the firmware? |
| 00:18.07 | yetistomps | brb |
| 00:18.13 | bab_ | yes, firmware-2.4 |
| 00:18.17 | resiak | way to go, asking a question then fucking off |
| 00:18.23 | resiak | does dmesg say anything about it? |
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| 00:18.32 | resiak | and have you even got a line in /etc/network/interfaces for iT? |
| 00:18.38 | BACbKA | resiak: he's got an answer I believe |
| 00:18.49 | bab_ | installed in two different places in /usr (hotplug conf shows two different locations...) |
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| 00:19.09 | twisted` | hmm, during my install process something got fucked up and it never installed the base... I have the rest, but not programs like make and less etc... I can install them all by hand, but how can I reinstate that process? (base-config didn't let me choose it) |
| 00:19.13 | BACbKA | resiak: could've said thanks or something, but maybe he perceived he was talked to by a bot only |
| 00:19.18 | resiak | fair enough |
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| 00:19.58 | bab_ | dmesg comes with a rather large message, I'll piss every1 off if I show u... |
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| 00:20.34 | BACbKA | bab_: use #flood |
| 00:20.35 | resiak | bab_: does it say anything about your ipw2200 in there? |
| 00:20.53 | cheal | twisted`: which release do you use? |
| 00:20.56 | strider | bab_: dmesg |grep ipw |
| 00:20.59 | Pollywog | nse: you there? |
| 00:21.04 | twisted` | cheal: you mean I used to install or? |
| 00:21.04 | Pollywog | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8257 |
| 00:21.15 | offff | Which is the best method to work with 2 ips (virtual) "alias" eth0:1... Or using iproute (ip addr IP dev ethx)? |
| 00:21.18 | nse | Pollywog: I'm reading the linuxjournal article |
| 00:21.30 | twisted` | cheal: I'm running stable/testing/unstable, tho debian calls it testing/unstable itself, I only put stable there to be sure I can get *every* package |
| 00:21.34 | cheal | twisted`: the Debian release currently on the system you're talking about |
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| 00:22.14 | twisted` | cheal: how can I see that? you mean 3.xx or something? |
| 00:22.24 | bab_ | flood: command not found, dmesg | grep ipw shows absolutelly nothing... |
| 00:22.28 | twisted` | cheal: I've never known that, lol, I just pop in netinst and let it run |
| 00:23.02 | cheal | twisted`: I mean stable or testing, but your last message already answered my question. |
| 00:23.35 | twisted` | cheal: cool :) |
| 00:23.54 | strider | bab_: lsmod |grep ipw |
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| 00:24.28 | bab_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.28 | bab_ | ipw2200 97396 0 |
| 00:24.28 | bab_ | ieee80211 31112 1 ipw2200 |
| 00:24.40 | SimonRaven | don't paste here |
| 00:25.53 | SimonRaven | !paster |
| 00:25.53 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 00:25.53 | bab_ | Sorry... |
| 00:25.55 | bab_ | I did not know... |
| 00:25.56 | BACbKA | bab_: <=3 lines is kinda fine anyway |
| 00:25.56 | bab_ | phew! thanx! :) |
| 00:25.57 | psup | dont worry :) I wish IRC had a paste mechanism where you type pastes are seen as 1 line summaries until you typed /expand. |
| 00:26.13 | psup | s/you type pastes/pastes |
| 00:26.39 | SimonRaven | bab_: no wrath invoked, just warning, 'tis all |
| 00:26.57 | bab_ | SimonRaven: gotcha |
| 00:27.20 | abrotman | SimonRaven: yeah .. piss off! |
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| 00:27.26 | psup | there's always smilies... :) |
| 00:27.30 | unix_infidel | anyone know a good synergy tutorial? |
| 00:27.34 | SimonRaven | heheh |
| 00:27.35 | Pollywog | it's Vulcan text media |
| 00:27.49 | SperMite | Pollywog how do i set up the keys so i can ssh..? cause i can ssh from debian to gentoo. but not from gentoo to debian |
| 00:27.56 | SimonRaven | mind text |
| 00:27.59 | Pollywog | it's the same |
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| 00:28.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | unix_infidel: I first read that as "Anyone know of a good *surgery* tutorial?" |
| 00:28.09 | psup | SperMite, you could install lsh instead of ssh |
| 00:28.11 | bab_ | type "/pastes" instead? |
| 00:28.12 | Pollywog | ssh-keygen -b 1024 -t dsa |
| 00:28.14 | unix_infidel | GenNMX|Thrae: good times... |
| 00:28.18 | unix_infidel | but i'm looking for SYNERGY. |
| 00:28.21 | Pollywog | for example |
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| 00:29.00 | Pollywog | man ssh and man ssh-keygen |
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| 00:29.22 | psup | lsh is easier :) though less secure. |
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| 00:29.50 | Pollywog | oh I think you need to add your new keys to the other host's authorized_keys file |
| 00:30.06 | psup | s/less secure/I'm not sure, it may be less secure. |
| 00:30.09 | SimonRaven | nah, just the user you're sshing to |
| 00:30.11 | Pollywog | use cat >> not cp |
| 00:30.37 | Pollywog | SimonRaven: thanks that is what I meant but I did not say it properly |
| 00:30.44 | abrotman | unix_infidel: IIRC .. the synergy2 site has good docs |
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| 00:31.10 | coder_5 | hi! i got stuck installing debian from minimal cd. i partitioned ok, but now it says (upon starting installing the base system): .... and no valid mirror was configured. |
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| 00:31.24 | coder_5 | how to configure a valid mirror then? |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | coder_5: try apt-setup |
| 00:31.31 | coder_5 | btw i'm on a nat box. |
| 00:31.38 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 00:31.39 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 00:31.47 | Pollywog | nse: you there? |
| 00:31.50 | coder_5 | abrotman, ahm.. |
| 00:31.59 | coder_5 | ok, thanx, 'll check it. |
| 00:32.10 | powder | hi, i'm upgrading etch to sid and i have a question. i edited the sources.list with vi and did apt-get update, but the security repos failed. are those repos useless for sid? |
| 00:32.11 | Pollywog | nse did you generate the new keys? |
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| 00:33.25 | nse | Pollywog: I read a part of it, I prefer to type in the password all the time. but I understood the process of generating keys and scping them to the server! |
| 00:33.33 | Pollywog | k |
| 00:33.34 | BACbKA | google(debian 2.6.15 pivot_root devfs unknown type mount) didn't enlighten me, so I'll try your expertise folks |
| 00:33.35 | cheal | powder: you don't want to "upgrade" to sid unless you know Debian well. maybe it's still time to abort |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | powder: there is no security for sid |
| 00:33.49 | Pollywog | using keys is very convenient |
| 00:34.15 | coder_5 | abrotman, apt-setup : not found. |
| 00:34.22 | Pollywog | you copy the *.pub keys to the other user's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 00:34.32 | powder | abrotman: ok that's what i thought but i wanted to make sure :) thank you! |
| 00:34.33 | coder_5 | abrotman, i do a fresh install using the minimal sytem... |
| 00:34.35 | Pollywog | and copy their pub keys to yours |
| 00:34.41 | Pollywog | but use cat not cp |
| 00:35.08 | abrotman | !tell powder about sid faq |
| 00:35.13 | coder_5 | maybe using the expert inmstall? but i guess it schould work out of the box even on nat systems... :-( |
| 00:35.16 | abrotman | coder_5: then type them in manually |
| 00:35.38 | Pollywog | nse: I suggest you bookmark the ssh articles on that site; there are several |
| 00:35.43 | powder | abrotman: sweet this will come in handy |
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| 00:35.50 | BACbKA | On a machine with mkinitrd.conf that worked for a 2.6.8 local make-kpkg'ing, I pulled in the 2.6.15 source tree and the bin package. This brought yaird in, too. Now as I reboot into the custom package, it fails to boot, complaining first about devfs being unknown fstype, and then unable to mount root. Where to look? |
| 00:36.02 | abrotman | powder: it's more of a "why not to use sid" :) |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 00:36.06 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 00:36.11 | coder_5 | abrotman, into some sources-list files? i did not even stated installing the basesystem, so i'm afraid these files are not there... |
| 00:36.20 | abrotman | !sources |
| 00:36.20 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
| 00:36.27 | Pollywog | sid is an upgrade to disaster ;) |
| 00:36.37 | Pollywog | potentially |
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| 00:37.41 | coder_5 | where are these sources lists files? my etc is nearly empty.... no /etc/apt/ or like that. |
| 00:37.44 | powder | abrotman: i know it's not recommended to use sid, but i want to try and see for myself, as there are some bleeding edge programs i like to use and they have unstable dependencies |
| 00:37.46 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA, here is what I have done to allow permissions to my scanner. chown root.scanner /dev/sg0 grep -e scanner /etc/group chmod g+rw /dev/sg0 Quiteinsane and xsane will still not detect my Umax scanner. What did I do wrong? |
| 00:37.54 | BACbKA | powder: sid is usable, as long as it is not smth you dist-upgrade to. Learn about pinning and apt-listbugs, with them, pulling a couple of packages from sid is quite manageable. |
| 00:38.23 | Pollywog | yeah it is |
| 00:38.41 | Pollywog | though a few ppl have given me grief for doing it ;) |
| 00:38.42 | SerajewelKS | Red_Cloud: is your user in the scanner group? (type 'id' to see) |
| 00:38.44 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: dp a 'groups' and check you're in that group first |
| 00:38.49 | unix_infidel | abrotman: the problem is i cant get it to move over to the next screen when i am on the edge of the screen. |
| 00:39.07 | nvz | you cant see the forest through the trees |
| 00:39.08 | abrotman | unix_infidel: huh? |
| 00:39.22 | nse | Pollywog: ok, I'm doing this |
| 00:39.26 | unix_infidel | abrotman: with synergy. |
| 00:39.31 | jhambo | Anyone have a favorite command runner for kde that has tab completion? |
| 00:39.45 | abrotman | unix_infidel: oh .. don't you have to configure left/right/up/down etc? |
| 00:39.48 | coder_5 | hmm.. seems usualy they are in e/etc/apt/sources.list the installer did not put this files on disk yet. |
| 00:40.09 | coder_5 | does someone knows how to configure mirrors uppon installing debian? |
| 00:40.22 | pipeline | coder_5: apt-setup |
| 00:40.34 | coder_5 | pipeline, it's not there yet. |
| 00:40.47 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA and SerajewelKS the result: 106(scanner) |
| 00:40.58 | Red_Cloud | I am in the scanner group |
| 00:41.01 | nvz | coder_5: base-config, apt-setup |
| 00:41.08 | coder_5 | pipeline, i'm about to install the basesystem (and apt-setup as well) but cant connect to a miror... |
| 00:41.17 | SimonRaven | so go to the mirrors list, open up /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor, and start typing |
| 00:41.18 | psup | coder_5, there should be a step in the setup to choose an apt source. |
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| 00:41.32 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: next step is to make sure the sg0 is indeed the scanner and not a SCSI IDE CDROM remap or smth |
| 00:41.35 | SimonRaven | do what psup said first |
| 00:41.42 | pipeline | coder_5: It would seem that your network isn't working out. |
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| 00:42.09 | coder_5 | psup hmm.. i installed the network and configured it, i can ping the machine correctly, but the exact errormessage is: |
| 00:42.09 | psup | coder_5, maybe try Control Alt F4, Enter, ping google.com |
| 00:42.22 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: one way would be to initiate a scanning operation as root and use lsof on the process to see what files in /dev get opened |
| 00:42.25 | coder_5 | psup ping is not installed. |
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| 00:42.40 | coder_5 | but i can ping the machine from my other ones. |
| 00:42.54 | psup | coder_5, busybox ping google.com |
| 00:43.01 | coder_5 | ahh.. |
| 00:43.03 | psup | :) |
| 00:43.28 | coder_5 | psup, hmm, better, but: applet not found . |
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| 00:43.34 | coder_5 | :-) |
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| 00:43.44 | coder_5 | hell.. no way out i guess... |
| 00:43.51 | BACbKA | On a machine with mkinitrd.conf that worked for a 2.6.8 local make-kpkg'ing, I pulled in the 2.6.15 source tree and the bin package. This brought yaird in, too. Now as I reboot into the custom package, it fails to boot, complaining first about devfs being unknown fstype, and then unable to mount root. I'm looking inside the initrd image, but will appreciate an advice to speed the things up... |
| 00:43.54 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA I am not familiar with the lsof option. What would be the syntax? |
| 00:44.04 | resiak | man lsof! |
| 00:44.16 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: I read its man or do a --help every time myself |
| 00:44.17 | Red_Cloud | thanks |
| 00:44.32 | psup | coder_5, run busybox and see whats available. |
| 00:44.44 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: it's a very powerful cmd worth reading the man at least once anyway! |
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| 00:46.04 | coder_5 | psup, hey! it has wget! |
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| 00:46.11 | psup | coder_5, bingo :) |
| 00:46.30 | romel | www.di.fm = a psychedelic voyage out of this world? |
| 00:46.32 | psup | no |
| 00:46.36 | coder_5 | psup thanks for the idea, i never worked with busybox, did not know how to list its commands... |
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| 00:46.49 | unix_infidel | abrotman: wait i think i'm consused. the computer i want to CONTROL is the client, and the computer i want to use to control is the server? |
| 00:46.57 | psup | np. btw, if you're ever bored, try busybox vi :) |
| 00:47.12 | abrotman | unix_infidel: probably :) |
| 00:47.34 | coder_5 | psup ok, but its not on thesse busybox too... |
| 00:47.38 | coder_5 | ;-) |
| 00:47.41 | coder_5 | realy.. |
| 00:47.43 | unix_infidel | abrotman: LOL |
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| 00:47.53 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.12 | Pollywog | okay I did a dist-upgrade from sarge to testing and it stalls on udev |
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| 00:48.23 | psup | coder_5, i bet you have real vi in your boot environment though. |
| 00:48.25 | coder_5 | JeffH, firewall? iptables |
| 00:48.31 | wols_ | JeffH: disable your windows firewall |
| 00:48.43 | JeffH | wols: don't have one active. |
| 00:49.03 | coder_5 | psup, you lost the bet: vi: not found. vim: not found |
| 00:49.03 | JeffH | not on my windows box anyway. |
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| 00:49.16 | wols_ | JeffH: then run "netstat -ano |grep 22" on windows. Probably nothing listening |
| 00:49.27 | coder_5 | psup, maybe ed is there .... (duck) |
| 00:49.33 | Pollywog | oh I see what the problem is, that version of udev requires a newer kernel |
| 00:49.33 | psup | coder_5, wow, that sux. |
| 00:49.47 | wols_ | btw: windows XPSP2 uses a firewall by default and warns you often and loudly if you don't |
| 00:49.57 | JeffH | isn't 22 a telnet port? |
| 00:49.58 | psup | (quotes are mine :) ) |
| 00:50.06 | wols_ | 23 us tekbet. 22 is ssh |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | JeffH: ssh |
| 00:50.12 | wols_ | *is telnet |
| 00:50.16 | BACbKA | JeffH: grep 22 /etc/services |
| 00:50.30 | Jimz | with a hard symbolic link, any files put or modified into either directory will cause the other to update? |
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| 00:50.38 | JeffH | okay. What's the switch to tell rsync not to use ssh? I don't think I've set that up yet. |
| 00:50.42 | coder_5 | psup, i know ed as the simple editor newbes are refered to... *sing* |
| 00:50.48 | psup | haha |
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| 00:50.51 | BACbKA | Jimz: there's no "hard symbolic link" |
| 00:50.56 | nvz | wtf is a hard symbolic link? |
| 00:50.58 | romel | www.di.fm = a psychedelic voyage out of this world? |
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| 00:51.04 | nvz | romel = troll? |
| 00:51.10 | psup | romel, spammers will be kicked |
| 00:51.14 | offff | Please, somebody can explain me because rule PREROUTING (iptables) only functions with an IP (alias eth1:0) if I to liberate in the INPUT? |
| 00:51.17 | wols_ | nvz: the opposite of a soft one duh! |
| 00:51.24 | nvz | !ops romel may like to be silenced for awhile |
| 00:51.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: romel may like to be silenced for awhile |
| 00:51.38 | bbrazil | wols_: symbolic implies soft |
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| 00:51.53 | nvz | wols_: hard symlink is an oxymoron |
| 00:51.55 | wols_ | bbrazil: whodathunkit? |
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| 00:52.14 | psup | "Microsoft Works" |
| 00:52.17 | nvz | heh |
| 00:52.23 | Jimz | im not too familiar with symbolic links, just that you can use the -s switch for soft so assumed there was a hard version |
| 00:52.30 | bbrazil | Jimz: what are you trying to do? |
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| 00:52.38 | Jimz | nothing, im just curious |
| 00:52.39 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA, the man is overwhelming. It will take me a spell to get the information. |
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| 00:52.44 | nvz | Jimz: no there are hard links, and symbolic links |
| 00:52.49 | bbrazil | Jimz: hard linking directories isn't reccomended |
| 00:53.06 | BACbKA | Jimz: the best thing to do is to start with reading the manpage for ln thoroughly |
| 00:53.15 | psup | bbrazil, i wonder why not. |
| 00:53.35 | BACbKA | Jimz: if still curious after that, ask specific things referring to the manpage excerpts, we'll help |
| 00:53.41 | Jimz | ok thanks |
| 00:53.46 | JohnFlux | where can I download debootstrap from please? |
| 00:53.58 | JohnFlux | I can get the .deb file but that kinda defeats the point.... |
| 00:54.28 | nvz | why? |
| 00:54.51 | JohnFlux | well how do I use it on a non-deb system |
| 00:54.54 | nvz | debs are just ar archives |
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| 00:55.11 | psup | unlike RPMs :P |
| 00:55.14 | Gnea | JohnFlux: just convert it to a .tgz and uncompress it |
| 00:55.16 | bbrazil | psup: not sure, but ext3 doesn't allow it for one |
| 00:55.20 | SimonRaven | ar p file.deb data.tar.gz | tar zx |
| 00:55.46 | jhambo | would people recommend kernel 2.6.8 or 2.6.8-2? |
| 00:55.46 | Gnea | JohnFlux: with alien |
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| 00:55.46 | JohnFlux | SimonRaven: thank you |
| 00:55.46 | JohnFlux | Gnea: thanks |
| 00:55.55 | hyperactivecrond | aargh...!!!! i just installed sarge from an older sarge netinstall cd and whenever i try to install packages, dpkg quits b/c it says that it cant upgrade e2fsprogs |
| 00:55.55 | psup | bbrazil, hmm, if ext2 does and ext3 doesn't then that's sad. |
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| 00:56.08 | SimonRaven | !e2fsprogs |
| 00:56.08 | dpkg | somebody said e2fsprogs was http://bugs.debian.org/325834 |
| 00:56.16 | SimonRaven | hyperactivecrond: ^^^ |
| 00:56.23 | sonyman | I'm trying to compile the latest version of dpkg. I managed to get it compiled before, but the architecture was set incorrectly in the final build. Can someone help me so that it sets it correctly during the build process? |
| 00:56.24 | JohnFlux | hyperactivecrond: uninstall it temporarily? |
| 00:56.32 | hyperactivecrond | yes johnflux |
| 00:56.36 | coder_5 | psup wget works. (tcp transfer + dns are ok) i just retrieved index.htm,l from google |
| 00:56.40 | psup | cool. |
| 00:56.48 | Pollywog | apt-get upgrade stalls at udev.. how can I continue the upgrade? |
| 00:56.56 | nvz | apt may have super cow powers, but that doesnt mean dpkg is an alien, or that debs cant be used on other systems |
| 00:57.05 | apt | nvz: what are you talking about? |
| 00:57.05 | Pollywog | apt-get -f install is not helping |
| 00:57.05 | psup | coder_5, where does setup break then? |
| 00:57.12 | psup | Apt has a risky Force LoopBreak option. |
| 00:57.16 | nvz | apt: nevermind |
| 00:57.22 | coder_5 | psup, but upon: 'install base system' from the minimal installer cd' menu i get: |
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| 00:57.28 | nvz | apt, moo |
| 00:57.31 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 00:57.32 | coder_5 | transcript: |
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| 00:58.02 | Pollywog | it won't even let me get the kernel it says it needs |
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| 00:58.23 | psup | coder_5, in #flood if >5lines pls :) |
| 00:58.24 | JohnFlux | !udeb |
| 00:58.25 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
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| 00:58.50 | hyperactivecrond | hmm maybe because it says 'testing' in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:58.50 | coder_5 | cannot install debian. the installer cannot figure out how to install debian. no isntallable cd-rom was found and no valid miorror was configured. <go back> <continue> |
| 00:59.03 | bbrazil | psup: looking at solaris docs, dir hard link just aren't allowed. I imagine it's related to keeping the link cound correct |
| 00:59.09 | Pollywog | looks like I will be stuck with sarge |
| 00:59.09 | bbrazil | psup: *count |
| 00:59.09 | coder_5 | psup, no worry... |
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| 00:59.14 | hyperactivecrond | iirc this cd was built whilst sararge was testing... |
| 00:59.29 | sonyman | Can someone help me? dpkg ended up with the architecture set to mipsel when it should be ee |
| 00:59.31 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: don't be afraid... in the worst case you can always do a "grep /dev" on the output in case you don't know how to select the right things you need (/dev in this case)... I remember the "-p <pid>" option off the top of my head though, otherwise you'd get ALL open files in the system to filter :) |
| 00:59.39 | hyperactivecrond | should i change it to stable? |
| 00:59.43 | coder_5 | psup, even <continue> wont get me further... (hmmm) |
| 01:00.01 | BACbKA | so "lsof -p <your scanning app pid> | grep dev" should work probably |
| 01:00.06 | psup | coder_5, continue from where? |
| 01:00.13 | nvz | hyperactivecrond: that depends how far are you? |
| 01:00.23 | hyperactivecrond | nvz: not very :) |
| 01:00.26 | hyperactivecrond | just |
| 01:00.29 | psup | bbrazil, hmmm. interesting problem I'm not even qualified to think about. :) |
| 01:00.30 | hyperactivecrond | base install |
| 01:00.33 | lindenle | hi I am running etch and I have some weird ascii character under my root account. It looks like an a with a hat and it shows up in compile errors and for instance in the border of modconf. Does anyone have any idea why, also it does not show up in my normal user account. |
| 01:00.36 | strider | coder_5: just skip it. you'll be in expert mode then |
| 01:00.47 | nvz | hyperactivecrond: if you just installed from that cd and didnt pull anything from a mirror yet then yes change to stable and dist-upgrade if not leave it and dist-upgrade to etch |
| 01:00.47 | jhambo | Could someone offer info (a link?) on the best method for upgrade from kernel 2.4 to 2.6? I've never done this before and googling seems to be giving some conflicting info |
| 01:00.58 | jhambo | I'm running sarge |
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| 01:01.06 | yggdrasil_ | can somone help me out here. im trying to write a script using fapg that will go thru my directorys and make a playlist for each directory. i dont know how to do it and i gueese i need a nudge in the right dircetion |
| 01:01.09 | hyperactivecrond | eek... then it'll be unstable... |
| 01:01.10 | cheal | jhambo: install the appropriate 2.6 kernel package and boot it |
| 01:01.11 | nvz | hyperactivecrond: if you have fetched from the internet so far, you are probably too far into testing to come back to stable.. |
| 01:01.27 | nvz | hyperactivecrond: no if you dist-upgrade it will be etch |
| 01:01.29 | hyperactivecrond | ok so change testing to etch? |
| 01:01.37 | hyperactivecrond | in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:01.39 | BACbKA | jhambo: expect pains as you go |
| 01:01.39 | Pollywog | what does super cow powers mean anyway? |
| 01:01.41 | nvz | hyperactivecrond: dont change anything |
| 01:01.56 | hyperactivecrond | nvz: 8:-\ then what should i do? |
| 01:01.58 | unstable | hyperactivecrond: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:02.07 | hyperactivecrond | alright... we'll see... |
| 01:02.09 | nvz | hyperactivecrond: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 01:02.10 | bbrazil | Pollywog: apt-get moo |
| 01:02.26 | nvz | dpkg, info libc6 testing |
| 01:02.28 | Pollywog | k I will try that later |
| 01:02.30 | BACbKA | jhambo: such as: some hardware not discovered, CD burners not working the same, etc |
| 01:02.32 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4911 kB, Installed size: 16728 kB |
| 01:02.37 | hyperactivecrond | i have to switch cables so im gonna be offline. thx 4 help! |
| 01:02.40 | hyperactivecrond | !fart |
| 01:02.53 | coder_5 | strider, no, skipping it (and going to the next item, which is installing grub) just instantly displays the errormessage above. |
| 01:02.55 | BACbKA | jhambo: the worst thing is the SATA/IDE root issue |
| 01:02.57 | Pollywog | oh yes I see the cow |
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| 01:03.07 | jhambo | cheal, dpkg tells me that 2.6.15.6 is the current stable version but when I do `apt-cache search ^kernel-image` the newest one I see is kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686. Thoughts? |
| 01:03.20 | coder_5 | psup, continuing from partitioning the hdd's. (finishing all steps above.) |
| 01:03.44 | BACbKA | jhambo: that's because they've switched to new kpkging scheme a coupla months ago |
| 01:03.55 | BACbKA | jhambo: look for linux-source and linux-image... packages |
| 01:04.00 | coder_5 | psup, the only thing i did out of order was echoing crazy stuff into my harddrives /proc/disk/hdx/settings |
| 01:04.04 | cheal | jhambo: where does dpkg tell you that? |
| 01:04.23 | psup | coder_5, i had problems at partitioning step too. red screen, error messages, |
| 01:04.44 | psup | coder_5, if you can't get past there afaik it's not an internet problem. |
| 01:04.51 | coder_5 | psup, yeah, i solved that disabling dma. |
| 01:04.53 | jhambo | cheal, when I say /msg dpkg kernel |
| 01:04.56 | yggdrasil_ | can somone help me out here. im trying to write a script using fapg that will go thru my directorys and make a playlist for each directory. i dont know how to do it and i gueese i need a nudge in the right dircetion |
| 01:05.01 | BACbKA | psup: if you had any unexpected output at your debian installation, I'm hoping you did file your debian installation report! |
| 01:05.25 | coder_5 | psup, no, partitioning went fine this time. |
| 01:05.32 | jhambo | yggdrasil_ have you figured out the manpage for fapg? |
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| 01:05.39 | psup | BACbKA, i wish there was an interactive report-gen tool that ran in a background vterm :) |
| 01:05.44 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA, I have lsof repeating up a storm. But have yet figured how to get it to stop. The man pages merely said until you stop it. Still working at it. |
| 01:06.12 | cheal | jhambo: dpkg's kernel function tells you about the upstream kernel releases, not the kernels in Debian stable. Debian stable has no kernel newer than 2.6.8.1 |
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| 01:06.13 | yggdrasil_ | jhambo yes but i think i need to use some grepping of the directory |
| 01:06.13 | coder_5 | psup, maybe (since now the partitions are fine) i'll should try a reboot... (this remembers me on windows though) |
| 01:06.33 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: use my grep above and redirect it into a file, like this "lsof ..... | grep dev > lsof.txt" |
| 01:06.40 | ens | anyone know/do anything with debian/m68k here? |
| 01:06.49 | jhambo | cheal, okay, cool. So do I just do `apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686`? |
| 01:07.01 | psup | ens, I tried it 10 years ago. |
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| 01:07.14 | sonyman | I'm trying to compile the latest version of dpkg. I managed to get it compiled before, but the architecture was set incorrectly in the final build. Can someone help me so that it sets it correctly during the build process? It set it to mipsel when it needs to be set to ee. |
| 01:07.23 | plasmid | I installed Debian via network (the small iso 100-150 megs) . First I need xchat but when I type apt-get xchat i get not found or whatnot. Also I need to configure xorg... my screen is wavy..so I need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 01:07.24 | cheal | jhambo: if you want 686, yes |
| 01:07.38 | jhambo | cheal, yah I do ;) |
| 01:07.43 | BACbKA | psup: if you're looking for a work in maintaining debian machines, you'd better be keeping a paper log of the installation non-default steps/system reactions, to reproduce the thigns from |
| 01:07.45 | ens | looking to write a driver for it, etc, or at least try, and need to know where it stands. |
| 01:07.57 | JohnFlux | SimonRaven: I don't have 'ar' :) |
| 01:08.00 | BACbKA | psup: actually, it helps with any OS maintenanec :) |
| 01:08.05 | JohnFlux | SimonRaven: And it does not appear to be in slackware at all |
| 01:08.10 | jhambo | cheal, any huge difference between 2.6.8 and 2.6.8-2? |
| 01:08.24 | psup | BACbKA, even for home use? |
| 01:08.28 | plasmid | how do i get xchat? |
| 01:08.29 | JohnFlux | jhambo: read the changelog |
| 01:08.38 | BACbKA | psup: of course |
| 01:08.51 | BACbKA | psup: this saved me A LOT OF time |
| 01:09.08 | loggygreg | plasmid: apt-get install xchat |
| 01:09.14 | streuner | jhambo: well '-2' is the newer version (bugfixes) |
| 01:09.22 | JohnFlux | can I convert a .deb to a .tar.gz in a way other than using 'ar' ? |
| 01:09.23 | BACbKA | once running, I do it all in a file ~root/LOG (which I have mirrored to all my backups) |
| 01:09.26 | JohnFlux | I don't have 'ar' :) |
| 01:09.33 | streuner | binutils |
| 01:09.34 | jhambo | JohnFlux, cool thanks. And dpkg told me what the changlog is; woot |
| 01:09.37 | streuner | IIRC |
| 01:09.51 | JohnFlux | jhambo: kernel.org and click on the C iirc |
| 01:09.53 | cheal | jhambo: the -2 in 2.6.8-2 is a characteristick of the binary packages. 2.6.8-2 is a compiled form of upstream's 2.6.8.1 |
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| 01:10.19 | hyperactivecrond | eek! |
| 01:10.20 | streuner | JohnFlux: dpkg ;-) |
| 01:10.20 | hyperactivecrond | it didnt |
| 01:10.20 | hyperactivecrond | work |
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| 01:10.24 | sonyman | :( |
| 01:10.39 | JohnFlux | streuner: grr |
| 01:10.40 | JohnFlux | ;) |
| 01:10.42 | streuner | JohnFlux: dpkg -x IIRC |
| 01:11.01 | JohnFlux | streuner: I could convert on this machine then copy across |
| 01:11.16 | hyperactivecrond | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. THis is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 01:11.26 | psup | JohnFlux, apt-get install binutils |
| 01:11.28 | hyperactivecrond | E: INternal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
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| 01:11.35 | hyperactivecrond | s/N/n |
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| 01:12.24 | jhambo | yggdrasil, looks to me like your fapg problem shouldn't be too hard to solve. I'd find yourself a nice guide to using bash (either on the internet or from the bookstore). And learn some scripting. It'll take some time at first but then you'll be able to apply the knowledge to all kinds of things |
| 01:12.26 | hyperactivecrond | debootstrap sarge http://distributions.debian.org / anybody ? lol |
| 01:12.40 | psup | if you really want to do it, iirc do -oAPT::Force-LoopBreak=1 |
| 01:12.46 | lindenle | ok fixed it just had to change default locale back to en_US |
| 01:12.49 | psup | or perl. |
| 01:12.49 | lindenle | htx |
| 01:12.51 | hyperactivecrond | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.41 | psup | hyperactivecrond, ? |
| 01:13.43 | lindenle | quit |
| 01:13.50 | Pollywog | so there isn't a way to upgrade a new sarge system to testing? |
| 01:13.54 | hyperactivecrond | lets see psup g2g to get off |
| 01:13.56 | psup | lindenle, /quit |
| 01:14.08 | SerajewelKS | !tell Pollywog about sarge->etch |
| 01:14.10 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:14.45 | nekostar | any clue why i would not be able to view a 4.3gig iso via ftp? |
| 01:14.56 | nekostar | server is running debain and using gftp to view |
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| 01:15.05 | JoCat | Ahoy. |
| 01:15.08 | nekostar | though i also tried the commandline ftp and i still cannot see it |
| 01:15.16 | jhambo | Thanks folks, time to give this kernel upgrade a try! |
| 01:15.20 | Pollywog | SerajewelKS: ty |
| 01:16.44 | JoCat | I'm having a lot of problems getting Debian to work. When I use kernel 2.4, my nForce 4 motherboard's ethernet card doesn't work. |
| 01:17.03 | JoCat | forcedeth doesn't load. |
| 01:17.43 | Pollywog | it still gets stuck at udev |
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| 01:17.55 | Pollywog | apt-get -f install is not fixing it |
| 01:17.57 | JoCat | When I use the 2.6 kernel, my USB keyboard doesn't work, which limits how much I use the OS. |
| 01:18.13 | JoCat | Even when I enable Legacy USB. |
| 01:18.15 | ens | no amiga freaks about? |
| 01:18.18 | psup | JoCat, so why not use 2.4? :) |
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| 01:18.30 | JoCat | Because 2.4 doesn't recognize my chipset. |
| 01:18.36 | JoCat | So I can't use my ethernet card. |
| 01:18.37 | psup | ens, try #amiga or #classiccmp (cap?) |
| 01:18.39 | JoCat | Or my sound card. |
| 01:18.55 | JoCat | Or my video card... |
| 01:18.57 | psup | JoCat, do you have a PS/2 port? :) |
| 01:19.06 | JoCat | Yes. But not a PS/2 keyboard. |
| 01:19.14 | JoCat | I borrowed one and it didn't work. |
| 01:19.27 | psup | really weird. |
| 01:19.33 | psup | !bts |
| 01:19.33 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 01:19.34 | JoCat | Yah. |
| 01:19.49 | JoCat | I... can't do apt-get. |
| 01:20.12 | psup | you could file a bug to submit@bugs.debian.org from within windows. |
| 01:20.18 | psup | if it's a bug. |
| 01:20.23 | aeronadix | JoCat, so you're not using debian |
| 01:20.34 | JoCat | I'm using it on my laptop. :) |
| 01:20.45 | JoCat | Works fine there. |
| 01:20.52 | JoCat | Oh... |
| 01:21.08 | aeronadix | JoCat, oh you don't have your network setup, so neither is apt-get sources |
| 01:21.18 | JoCat | Right. |
| 01:21.23 | JoCat | When I'm in 2.4 at least. |
| 01:21.33 | aeronadix | JoCat, is it a desktop? |
| 01:21.34 | JoCat | Everything but USB works in 2.6. |
| 01:22.04 | JoCat | I get the error at ohci_hcd 000:00:02.0: PCI Debice 10de:005a (nVidia Corporation) USB HC TakeOve failed. |
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| 01:22.21 | aeronadix | JoCat, the debian install images have so many net drivers, I find it hard to believe yours failed |
| 01:22.31 | JoCat | Believe it. |
| 01:22.33 | psup | JoCat, did you google "PCI Debice 10de:005a (nVidia Corporation) USB HC TakeOve failed." with coreerct spelling? |
| 01:22.38 | aeronadix | JoCat, oh, I don't know man |
| 01:22.43 | JoCat | Yes. |
| 01:22.43 | psup | s/coreerct/correct :) |
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| 01:23.10 | JoCat | I've also tried Ubuntu, Fedora, and Mandriva. |
| 01:23.14 | JoCat | They all have the same problem. |
| 01:23.31 | sonyman | Is anyone here knowledgeable re: dpkg? |
| 01:23.31 | psup | DuncanF, hi, saw your hostname, you're in Alaska? |
| 01:23.37 | abrotman | sonyman: just ask |
| 01:23.40 | nvz | sonyman: ask |
| 01:23.49 | sonyman | I did and got no response :-( |
| 01:23.51 | aeronadix | JoCat, one time I had an issue, and I was working away at it for hours, going through the drivers, and trying different nics, but then finally I went upstairs to the router and noticed my network wasn't correct |
| 01:23.51 | sonyman | I'm trying to compile the latest version of dpkg. I managed to get it compiled before, but the architecture was set incorrectly in the final build. Can someone help me so that it sets it correctly during the build process? It set it to mipsel when it needs to be set to ee. |
| 01:23.51 | JoCat | I asked online and was pointed here. :( |
| 01:24.08 | JoCat | If my network isn't correct, then I'm not connected here. |
| 01:24.27 | DuncanF | Yeah |
| 01:24.27 | JoCat | I've been working on this problem since the beginning of break. |
| 01:24.33 | aeronadix | JoCat, so what are you installing with. Get the net install cd image, its gotta work |
| 01:24.34 | SerajewelKS | JoCat: do things like 'ifconfig' and 'ip net show' display any info about your card? |
| 01:24.39 | nvz | oh yeah I remember reading that before :P |
| 01:24.44 | psup | JoCat, try here, if not here, try #ubuntu or ##linux, if not, time to resort to mailing lists. |
| 01:24.45 | JoCat | I tried the net install CD. It didn't work either. |
| 01:24.59 | JoCat | ifconfig shows only loopback. |
| 01:25.00 | DuncanF | psup, fairbanks to be exact |
| 01:25.07 | SerajewelKS | JoCat: and wtf does USB failing have to do with NICs |
| 01:25.11 | aeronadix | JoCat, that means youhave no nic |
| 01:25.15 | psup | DuncanF, wow, whats it like being a computer geek there? |
| 01:25.23 | JoCat | If I can get the USB controll to work, then I can use kernel 2.6. |
| 01:25.26 | aeronadix | JoCat, is it wireless nic? |
| 01:25.29 | nvz | and other than "dpkg" I dont find a word there that sparks any information in my database :P |
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| 01:26.03 | psup | In Soviet Russia, Debian installs you! |
| 01:26.08 | JoCat | SerajwelKs: If I get the USB keyboard working, then I can use the 2.6 kernel, where my NIC card and sound card work without problems. |
| 01:26.15 | DuncanF | psup, haha well i'de assume it's a bit different, need good motor skills or you'll probably end up dieing :P |
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| 01:26.27 | psup | DuncanF, ?? |
| 01:26.28 | JoCat | psup: In soviet Russia, you fucking kill Steve Balmer. |
| 01:26.42 | SerajewelKS | JoCat: what motherboard chipset |
| 01:26.49 | JoCat | nForce 4 chipset. |
| 01:26.49 | sonyman | JoCat: no, in soviet russia, steve balmer fucking kills you! |
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| 01:27.01 | psup | haha |
| 01:27.02 | JoCat | sonyman: Even in Soviet Russia? |
| 01:27.03 | DuncanF | psup, oh nothing, just the weather, if you are caught outside when it's -40 below and don't know what you're doing, you're quite screwed |
| 01:27.08 | sonyman | JoCat: yup |
| 01:27.11 | nvz | got a half a dozen people trying to use the hillbilly intercom at once here.. its annoying |
| 01:27.18 | psup | DuncanF, oh. sounds v. inconvenient. |
| 01:27.29 | psup | why do you put up w/ it? |
| 01:27.42 | yggdrasil_ | whats the best email client to deal with junkmail ? |
| 01:27.54 | psup | yggdrasil, LWN says use spamassassin. |
| 01:27.54 | SerajewelKS | yggdrasil_: i like thunderbird |
| 01:28.00 | Pollywog | so there isn't a way to upgrade a new sarge system to etch because something is wrong with udev? |
| 01:28.06 | yggdrasil_ | hmm.. |
| 01:28.06 | DuncanF | psup, I've lived here my whole life, doesn't really bother me |
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| 01:28.24 | unstable | Pollywog: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; with sarge in your sources.list |
| 01:28.24 | SerajewelKS | Pollywog: what the fuck? |
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| 01:28.28 | JoCat | Perhaps if I rebuild the 2.6 kernel from source with all that stuff enabled. |
| 01:28.29 | unstable | Pollywog: Then you can upgrade. |
| 01:28.37 | Pollywog | edev |
| 01:28.40 | nvz | I take it nobody else has a hillbilly intercom.. I guess it kind of takes living with hillbillies |
| 01:28.58 | Pollywog | nvz shut up please |
| 01:29.10 | nvz | exactly |
| 01:29.11 | psup | Pollywog, dnftt :) |
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| 01:29.16 | nvz | now you know what I am talking about |
| 01:29.18 | unstable | lol |
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| 01:29.43 | sfullenwider | is there a graphical linux app for using an ipod? |
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| 01:29.47 | Pollywog | well I wiill go back to sarge so I don't need to pester people |
| 01:29.50 | nvz | sfullenwider: gtkpod |
| 01:29.55 | psup | sfullenwider, i recommend amarok |
| 01:29.59 | SerajewelKS | sfullenwider: generally you use the ipod GUI to use your ipod |
| 01:30.15 | sfullenwider | it comes with a linux app? |
| 01:30.30 | SerajewelKS | sfullenwider: no. if you're going to use your ipod, you fucking turn it on and use it. |
| 01:30.30 | nvz | heh |
| 01:30.36 | SimonRaven | no |
| 01:30.39 | mbishop | heh |
| 01:30.41 | JoCat | Oh snap. |
| 01:30.52 | DuncanF | what is a good graphical editor, network install going on my main box atm, first time using debian though used redhat way back when and fedora way back at core 1 |
| 01:31.02 | psup | DuncanF, xemacs in windowed mode |
| 01:31.05 | sonyman | in soviet russia, newbies torment YOU! |
| 01:31.09 | aeronadix | DuncanF, Gnome |
| 01:31.10 | Pollywog | psup I am not really a newbie, just lame |
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| 01:31.30 | psup | Pollywog, "debian newbie" is actually a praise. |
| 01:31.30 | aeronadix | DuncanF, whats a graphical editor |
| 01:31.34 | sfullenwider | you need something to move the songs to it :P |
| 01:31.36 | SerajewelKS | psup: i educate them, not torment. you don't become a non-newbie by being spoonfed after asking the wrong question. |
| 01:31.56 | SerajewelKS | sfullenwider: yes, that's called a graphical linux app for transferring songs to an ipod. not using an ipod. |
| 01:31.57 | unstable | DuncanF: That wasn't even 3 years ago. |
| 01:32.00 | DuncanF | aeronadix, image editor, jpegs, tgas, pngs |
| 01:32.04 | aeronadix | I'm still a newbie after three years on debian |
| 01:32.08 | aeronadix | DuncanF, I like gimp |
| 01:32.16 | sfullenwider | that is a useless response. |
| 01:32.16 | JoCat | I'm a newbie after two years. |
| 01:32.18 | psup | SerajewelKS, you could always avoid "f''ing" and put a smiley instead. |
| 01:32.31 | JoCat | <--- slow learner. |
| 01:32.32 | nvz | sfullenwider: gtkpod is a simple GTK/GNOME app that can handle it, and amarok is an all around KDE based music application that does everything you can imagine |
| 01:32.37 | Pollywog | I have been on Debian and derivatives longer than that but have trouble right now |
| 01:32.38 | SerajewelKS | sfullenwider: you question was similarly useless |
| 01:32.41 | aeronadix | DuncanF, gimp is up there with any expensive graphics editor aparantly |
| 01:32.50 | SerajewelKS | psup: fair enough |
| 01:32.55 | DuncanF | unstable, considering i'm 18 it's a while back for me :P |
| 01:33.00 | aeronadix | DuncanF, does animation (gif) too |
| 01:33.12 | DuncanF | aeronadix, thanks |
| 01:33.23 | SerajewelKS | aeronadix: you don't seem like a noob at all to me |
| 01:33.25 | Pollywog | I am going to look around google a bit and then reinstall sarge and leave it there if I can't find a way out of this |
| 01:33.25 | psup | wow, so since I'm 21 I guess I've used Linux on and off for a fifth of my life! |
| 01:33.43 | Pollywog | I am 51 |
| 01:33.56 | Pollywog | age not IQ |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | @geezersmite Pollywog |
| 01:34.00 | JoCat | Oh snap. |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | hrm .. oh well |
| 01:34.01 | Pollywog | yep |
| 01:34.14 | nvz | I've used linux more like 1/3 of my life and it wasnt enough |
| 01:34.18 | aeronadix | SerajewelKS, Its been over a year, I haven't done even a kernel compile. I've been stuck at that point, and if you can't kernel compile, your a newbie I think |
| 01:34.26 | psup | i then find it impressive that you have the guts to learn Linux. |
| 01:34.38 | `ns` | puppies !! |
| 01:34.41 | psup | my dad is 55 but he is not interested. |
| 01:34.48 | SimonRaven | donkeys |
| 01:34.52 | psup | !cow |
| 01:34.53 | dpkg | well, cow is a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html |
| 01:35.00 | psup | dpkg, cow also says moo |
| 01:35.06 | SimonRaven | afk |
| 01:35.16 | SerajewelKS | aeronadix: i disagree, granted i have done kernel compiles but back on redhat when that was the only way to get the drivers you needed |
| 01:35.17 | vulture | aeronadix: eh, I'd disagree. I've been using Debian for.. nearly 4 years now. Never had a need or desire to compile a kernel. |
| 01:35.17 | DuncanF | i've only used linux on and off, mostly use windows, but want the developement/work environment of linux, so partitioned my drive |
| 01:35.37 | nvz | so far everyone I've told about debian isnt interested, but once they see me using it they are begging me for it. |
| 01:35.37 | vulture | :) |
| 01:35.38 | coder_5 | aeronadix, gimp is not up to any good graphics app. gimp is limited to 8 bit per channel. |
| 01:35.39 | sonyman | vulture: I'd take a gander that you're on x86 then, eh? |
| 01:35.42 | aeronadix | psup, Linux isn't difficult to use like people think. It just how the computers used to be with command prompts. But kids were using dos and commadore with cli's. I used to use commadore 64 when I was like 5 |
| 01:35.43 | psup | dpkg, cow is also the apt-get easter egg which says moo |
| 01:35.43 | dpkg | psup: okay |
| 01:35.44 | vulture | sonyman: sure |
| 01:35.56 | coder_5 | aeronadix, gegl is coming soon though |
| 01:35.58 | settked | gimp is a peace of crap |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | piece |
| 01:36.04 | psup | aeronadix, windows has provided some competition. |
| 01:36.13 | aeronadix | vulture, well, what about when you need a special driver, like wireless |
| 01:36.14 | settked | indeed, sorry |
| 01:36.14 | SerajewelKS | aeronadix: i learned to program in part on a C64 |
| 01:36.22 | SerajewelKS | aeronadix: hacking around in high-level rom |
| 01:36.35 | psup | i learned on GW-BASIC. i guess i had it easy. |
| 01:36.36 | BACbKA | aeronadix: i'm using debian since a long time ago, but the things keep moving ahead.... like this new kernel packaging scheme... So I need to learn how to make it work where the old things worked... so i'm a newbie again! even after quite a lot of experience of in-kernel driver development :) |
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| 01:36.37 | nvz | I had one friend amazed by tdfsb of all things.. thought it looked like that computer on hackers.. I think its stupid he could play with that all day |
| 01:36.41 | coder_5 | settked, gimp is an extremely fine app, but its limited... |
| 01:36.44 | SerajewelKS | aeronadix: the other part was Visual Basic 1, but meh. now i know better. |
| 01:36.50 | sonyman | windows is junk. windows hasn't evolved since windows 95. I'd say that linux and windows do not directly compete |
| 01:36.51 | vulture | aeronadix: Haven't had a need for a wireless device (doesn't mean I'm a "newbie") - wired desktop only. |
| 01:37.03 | psup | windows has better plug and play. |
| 01:37.18 | SerajewelKS | psup: i disagree |
| 01:37.27 | psup | *although it's taken em 10 years to get to that point) |
| 01:37.28 | JoCat | I agree. |
| 01:37.32 | settked | coder check out the gimp photo editing tutorials, idiotic amazement |
| 01:37.40 | SerajewelKS | psup: on windows you have to click through 8 wizard steps to find out you don't have a driver. on linux you get told in dmesg instantly. |
| 01:37.45 | psup | plug in a USB key. does debian mount it for you? |
| 01:37.47 | sonyman | windows does have better p&p. not an opinion, but a fact |
| 01:37.56 | aeronadix | BACbKA, no way, it changed that much. Cause the kernel compile docs that are still used today were posted when 2.6 just came out and its been a while now. And the docs are the same still |
| 01:37.57 | JoCat | I'll agree with sonyman. |
| 01:37.59 | SerajewelKS | psup: mounting a device is not part of the plug and play spec |
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| 01:38.04 | psup | why not? |
| 01:38.05 | settked | and the color managing menus hidden deeply somewhere in layers |
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| 01:38.12 | SerajewelKS | psup: and with HAL and GVM, yes, debian will |
| 01:38.17 | settked | that must die |
| 01:38.18 | psup | users nowadays are scared of command prompts. |
| 01:38.20 | aeronadix | vulture, I have this usb wireless sitting in my drawer for a year, also my webcam |
| 01:38.22 | coder_5 | settked, i guess i have more years with gimp internals then you :-] |
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| 01:38.36 | psup | SerajewelKS, but it doesn't *yet* :) |
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| 01:38.42 | settked | sure u do, but gimp could be better designed |
| 01:38.44 | nvz | psup: yes it does |
| 01:38.50 | settked | as is is a designers app |
| 01:38.52 | SerajewelKS | psup: yes it does. apt-get install hal gnome-volume-maanger |
| 01:38.56 | SerajewelKS | psup: manager* |
| 01:38.57 | jair_11 | hello everyone. |
| 01:38.58 | psup | i'm on kde |
| 01:39.03 | JoCat | Ahoy jair. |
| 01:39.08 | settked | or I may be wrong of course |
| 01:39.09 | jair_11 | haaha |
| 01:39.12 | SerajewelKS | psup: ah, so *KDE* won't automount |
| 01:39.22 | JoCat | I'm still not sure about this whole USB in the 2.6 kernel bit. |
| 01:39.22 | SerajewelKS | psup: that is entirely different than saying debian won't |
| 01:39.23 | DuncanF | so i've heard of wine in the past, how exactly does it work and is it very stable? |
| 01:39.31 | psup | kde is the debian default. |
| 01:39.31 | JoCat | How many people here have nForce 4 mobos? |
| 01:39.33 | psup | i guess |
| 01:39.38 | sonyman | wine is a last-ditch effort |
| 01:39.41 | SerajewelKS | psup: and, FYI, with a properly set up autofs it will automount on demand. |
| 01:39.41 | `ns` | kde automounts in mepis, so you can set it up |
| 01:39.42 | vulture | aeronadix: great - doesn't make all those who don't have such hardware (or otherwise have no reason to compile a kernel) newbies |
| 01:39.44 | coder_5 | settked, your right. there is a promising new effort to get it right, it's called filmgimp, now cinepaint. |
| 01:39.50 | JoCat | *nForce 4 chipsets? |
| 01:39.54 | sonyman | native apps >>>> wine |
| 01:39.54 | aeronadix | coder_5, Cool, I never used gimp that advanced to know its limitations myself. THat goes for everything on Linux really |
| 01:40.15 | `ns` | debian defaults kde ???? my default instalation didn't even have X |
| 01:40.18 | psup | DuncanF, crossover office is better but non-free, you can sign up as an Advocate easily and get binaries for little work. |
| 01:40.22 | SerajewelKS | DuncanF: look up 'wine' on wikipedia |
| 01:40.28 | coder_5 | settked, it builöds from gimp but is in c++ (now a decent basement) but it has 12 bit per layer and fltk widgets (soon...) |
| 01:40.28 | Silensius | does anyone knows how can i get localy just jpg files whith wget ??? |
| 01:40.35 | `ns` | mid you that was on a headless server :) |
| 01:40.37 | psup | DuncanF, look for linux apps that do what you want. |
| 01:40.58 | aeronadix | vulture, all I am saying is that I have been using my system for years, but still I am not close to an expert. I mean I open mozilla check my mail, open xine watch a movie. I just use linux as newbie |
| 01:41.27 | DuncanF | psup, was thinking more along the lines of a few games, as i'm perfectly happy with open office, etc |
| 01:41.29 | psup | `ns`, "desktop" in tasksel. |
| 01:41.32 | aeronadix | `ns`, I installed debian and it defaulted to gnome for me |
| 01:41.35 | psup | DuncanF, then cedega. |
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| 01:41.43 | vulture | aeronadix: and all I'm saying is that kernel compilation is not a necessary condition for non-newbie status |
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| 01:42.00 | psup | !cedega |
| 01:42.00 | dpkg | cedega is, like, the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 01:42.02 | DuncanF | psup, alright, thanks |
| 01:42.02 | settked | I should get more into programming to help some open source projects than critisize them |
| 01:42.11 | aeronadix | vulture, for sure, there are tons of other things that you could get skilled at too. Like the bash shell and scriptingt |
| 01:42.14 | JoCat | If I boot in safe mode, will Debian still probe for USB? |
| 01:42.22 | psup | settked, bug reports and feature requests are welcomed too. |
| 01:42.35 | coder_5 | aeronadix, uhh.. |
| 01:42.38 | psup | settked, do you know how to code? |
| 01:42.48 | coder_5 | vulture, you might try the python programming language... |
| 01:42.56 | JohnFlux | debootstrap has a parameter "suite" what would this be? |
| 01:42.57 | settked | I am trying to learn, hardly |
| 01:43.18 | coder_5 | settked, which language? |
| 01:43.20 | aeronadix | coder_5, yeah, I checked it out, but what should I code |
| 01:43.43 | aeronadix | coder_5, I think python has some good graphics libraries for internet programming or something like that |
| 01:43.46 | BACbKA | aeronadix: I hoped so, for the very reason that I did read the docs before going ahead and trying to upgrade 2.6.8->2.6.15 custom compiled package. However, it doesn't work the very way it worked before. I know, because I have a precise log of what I had done then. |
| 01:43.48 | settked | I did some pascal to get some general understading, now trying to use php and learn some C |
| 01:43.53 | psup | settked, http://tryruby.hobix.com |
| 01:43.56 | nvz | aeronadix: shell scripting is just part of understanding the shell |
| 01:44.09 | JoCat | If not, how do I disable modprobe if I can't access my system via telnet and can't use the keyboard? |
| 01:44.17 | JoCat | Ehr... disable USB probe. |
| 01:44.22 | coder_5 | aeronadix, hmm.. check it out. www.python.org. python is general purpose with powerfull libraries for virtualky everything. |
| 01:44.27 | sp3000 | with php you'll probably learn mostly about slitting your wrists |
| 01:44.36 | nvz | aeronadix: learning a shell is important.. learning many doesnt hurt. *sh, perl, python are very common |
| 01:44.37 | DuncanF | ooh nice, cedega supports civ 4 and battlefield 2 |
| 01:44.40 | psup | JoCat, linux kernel params maybe, e.g. linux26 nohotplug |
| 01:44.47 | sp3000 | I mean, if you try programming beyond templates with it ;) |
| 01:44.48 | sonyman | DuncanF: not really |
| 01:44.53 | settked | I know great langs exist but want to understand C to get more into unix apps |
| 01:44.57 | jair_11 | anyone here can take couple of minutes to help me understand the use of rsync, I have couple of questions I need just to clarify. |
| 01:44.58 | sonyman | DuncanF: bf2 support is a joke |
| 01:45.00 | aeronadix | nvz, In so many years, all I ever do is ls, cd, cp, and stuff |
| 01:45.08 | DuncanF | sonyman, well just reading over their game list |
| 01:45.14 | JoCat | Thanks psup. |
| 01:45.18 | psup | settked, so get "The C Programming Language" by K&R and go thru the exercises :) |
| 01:45.19 | nvz | aeronadix: yeah well you save commands like that into a file and run it and its a script |
| 01:45.21 | JohnFlux | jair_11: just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 01:45.28 | pipeline | settked: Well, then you'll get to find out how unpleasant UNIX programming is. :P |
| 01:45.28 | psup | JoCat, np |
| 01:45.34 | JoCat | brb then. |
| 01:45.35 | quinlan | what's the replacement for dpkg-buildpackage in sarge? |
| 01:45.40 | sonyman | DuncanF: well ill tell u from a users perpective that the bf2 supp. is single player only |
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| 01:45.42 | coder_5 | aeronadix, maybe now it's time to get your hands on the 3char commands like top and man ? :-] |
| 01:45.45 | settked | psup> they are crazy hard for me, I have a weak math background |
| 01:45.50 | Pollywog | it's been replaced? |
| 01:45.54 | sonyman | DuncanF: no punkbuster support |
| 01:45.59 | psup | settked, tried already? |
| 01:46.00 | aeronadix | coder_5, yeah, I used those too, and cat |
| 01:46.05 | quinlan | Pollywog: well, it got nuked when I upgraded, at the very least |
| 01:46.12 | jair_11 | JohnFlux, I am trying to understand rsync and I want to know if is important always add the "/" symbols. |
| 01:46.13 | settked | yes |
| 01:46.13 | DuncanF | sonyman ahh, well o |
| 01:46.14 | Pollywog | hmmm |
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| 01:46.27 | dondelelcaro | quinlan: eh? there isn't a replacement for it. install bulid-essential, and you'll get it. |
| 01:46.37 | DuncanF | sonyman, well I'll probably continue to run it through windows, as i'm setting up debian mostly as a work environment |
| 01:46.43 | quinlan | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:46.43 | aeronadix | nvz, I wrote a script once to get mplayer to play files in a particular order |
| 01:46.48 | settked | and I am really frustrated when small tutorial examples won't compile with some weird error |
| 01:46.49 | Pollywog | the only thing I nuked in my upgrades was udev, both times |
| 01:46.53 | sp3000 | psup: fwiw |tasksel --task-packages desktop| lists some gtk apps and nothing that depends on kde |
| 01:46.56 | nvz | aeronadix: heh. |
| 01:46.58 | sonyman | DuncanF: thats the only way really |
| 01:47.10 | psup | sp3000, really? hmmm. |
| 01:47.41 | Pollywog | time to break out the sarge CD, this is something I can't fix and sarge is better than the alternative |
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| 01:48.00 | _slash | hey guys |
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| 01:48.09 | psup | sp3000, i stand corrected. |
| 01:48.12 | _slash | how do I change my desktop 'back' to kde? |
| 01:48.21 | settked | edit .xinitrc |
| 01:48.25 | nvz | _slash: how do you login? |
| 01:48.34 | hyperactivecrond | it worked. but (1) everything bitches about locales |
| 01:48.35 | _slash | damn, I was using kde... |
| 01:48.53 | nvz | _slash: no, when you login, is it in graphical mode? |
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| 01:49.01 | aeronadix | _slash, you have a display manager also usually |
| 01:49.02 | _slash | nvz yes |
| 01:49.18 | nvz | _slash: like where you type your username and password |
| 01:49.25 | _slash | nvz yes |
| 01:49.27 | nvz | _slash: goto sessions menu and select kde |
| 01:49.35 | aeronadix | nvz, you must have xdm |
| 01:49.54 | nvz | aeronadix: what? |
| 01:49.56 | hyperactivecrond | is there a way to see which sound card i have installed? |
| 01:49.59 | aeronadix | nvz, install gdm, it give you options to chose which to use |
| 01:50.00 | _slash | ah.. nvz... okay |
| 01:50.10 | _slash | going to try it now.. |
| 01:50.10 | _slash | brb |
| 01:50.16 | nvz | aeronadix: kdm, gdm, whatever they all have a sessions menu |
| 01:50.34 | aeronadix | nvz, oh, I though xdm doesn't though |
| 01:50.35 | settked | ppl with such questions shluld just die or use google to find answers |
| 01:50.49 | nvz | aeronadix: hell if I know I havent used xdm in ages.. |
| 01:50.55 | DuncanF | also as I haven't used linux in a while, wait are the main differences between gnome and kde these days? |
| 01:50.58 | dondelelcaro | settked: relax, or use /ignore. |
| 01:51.06 | settked | ok ;-) |
| 01:51.10 | hyperactivecrond | DuncanF: www.kde.org www.gnome.org |
| 01:51.14 | sonyman | DuncanF: lots |
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| 01:51.29 | hyperactivecrond | i have a sound card but its not showing up in lspci |
| 01:51.30 | aeronadix | nvz, yeah, it doesn't but it must easy to change it with xdm too, just in some file in ~, but I thought it would be easier for him to just install kdm or gdm |
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| 01:51.47 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: what is the CPU of the machine? |
| 01:51.48 | hyperactivecrond | or dmesg! |
| 01:51.50 | _slash | ah its working |
| 01:51.52 | _slash | nvz: thanks :) |
| 01:51.55 | hyperactivecrond | abrotman: pentium mmx |
| 01:51.59 | DuncanF | sonyman, is there anything eather is particulaily better/worse at? |
| 01:52.06 | nvz | aeronadix: he probably has gdm already and kdm |
| 01:52.20 | nn- | hyperactivecrond: are you sure it's even in the kernel pci devices name database? |
| 01:52.23 | aeronadix | nvz, yeah, haha |
| 01:52.26 | nvz | aeronadix: every time I install sarge and choose "desktop system" it installs all of kde and gnome. |
| 01:52.28 | hyperactivecrond | its a lsa card... |
| 01:52.34 | sonyman | DuncanF: kde is pretty much better at everything imo |
| 01:52.37 | sonyman | ;-) |
| 01:52.39 | _slash | thanks guys |
| 01:52.50 | nvz | aeronadix: I mean I personally never do that cause I dont use either of them. |
| 01:52.55 | aeronadix | nvz, so don't install it, and then after just do apt-get install kde |
| 01:52.56 | hyperactivecrond | but wtf... it was at least discovered in other dstros |
| 01:53.00 | nvz | but when I install for other people.. |
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| 01:53.03 | aeronadix | nvz, what do you use? |
| 01:53.11 | hyperactivecrond | i may have to bite the bullet and go back to win2k if this doesnt work :\ |
| 01:53.16 | hyperactivecrond | alsaconf wont find it. |
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| 01:53.48 | jair_11 | guys to run rsync do I have to be a root user or I can manipulate files under the directory of /home/jair? |
| 01:54.10 | danibberg | hi guys, i'm trying to install deabian but the installation fails to finda my ethernet. I'm using an asus k8n, nvidia nforce3 series. |
| 01:54.20 | aeronadix | nvz, usually I skip tasksel and all those, and then after do apt-get install x-windows-system, then kde or gnome, which ever I want. But the last install I just clicked in the last page, desktop system, and it only install kde |
| 01:54.21 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: lspci shows pci cards .. not ISA |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | !tell hyperactivecrond about isapnp |
| 01:54.33 | DuncanF | sonyman, from what I remember the interface is fairly similar for both |
| 01:54.36 | nvz | aeronadix: my most used apps right now on my machine are bash, screen, aterm, sawfish, and I do run gdm cause I like the themes for nobody to see while I am away when I logout :P |
| 01:54.48 | jcurry | dondelelcaro: how do i compile the nvidia module with gcc 3.4? i've recompiled my kernel...but the xorg log tells me it can't load my nvidia module...i did do a 'm-a a-i nvidia', it didn't help |
| 01:54.52 | hyperactivecrond | abrotman: obviously. |
| 01:54.56 | sonyman | DuncanF: similar, yes, but kde is more powerful |
| 01:54.59 | hyperactivecrond | and thats why i did it :\ |
| 01:55.04 | jair_11 | is because I am trying to practice the use of rsync and I have a Linux computer remotely, but also I am trying to practice with it in the local system. |
| 01:55.09 | danibberg | is there some other card I can choose? Or a driver that i can copy to a diskett |
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| 01:55.34 | aeronadix | nvz, what do you do on your computer all day then with just those apps. My most used are mozilla, xine, and xchat |
| 01:55.35 | nvz | aeronadix: I actuall made a factiod with a few URLs for tutorials on GDM theme installation, and where to find themes to download as well |
| 01:55.41 | aeronadix | nvz, and gaim |
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| 01:56.12 | DuncanF | sonyman alright, i'll probably look over both a bit but in the past I did use KDE |
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| 01:56.17 | aeronadix | nvz, I can switch themes on mine, and I have like 30 of them. But I didn't do anything special to have those installed |
| 01:56.24 | aeronadix | nvz, they came default for me |
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| 01:56.42 | nvz | aeronadix: well screen runs in the background all the time keeping irssi alive, and I connect it to a pty in aterm when I am here in sawfish, which is my wm. thats just my user environment.. X with sawfish running and an aterm on the root window. |
| 01:57.13 | nvz | aeronadix: there is a gdm-themes package but it only has like a 10 or so themes |
| 01:57.14 | aeronadix | nvz, do you have a screenshot |
| 01:57.15 | DuncanF | oh does anyone know if nforce 2 drivers are included in packaging or if I should get them from nvidia? |
| 01:57.44 | jcurry | how do i compile the nvidia xorg module with gcc 3.4? i've recompiled my kernel with gcc 3.4...but the xorg log tells me it can't load my nvidia module...i did do a 'm-a a-i nvidia', it didn't help...any ideas? |
| 01:57.55 | ma3x | how do I install x264 codec for debian? |
| 01:58.13 | aeronadix | ma3x, woow, what is that |
| 01:58.17 | nn- | DuncanF: for hardware gl accel you need the closed source drivers |
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| 01:58.23 | dannythm | hello |
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| 01:58.38 | aeronadix | ma3x, I install the mplayer codecs package, and use xine. I can play anything |
| 01:58.51 | nn- | DuncanF: but i am not sure if nvidia still supports gf2 |
| 01:58.56 | dannythm | I cannot play wmv videos in my debian... is it any package or codec so I can see them? |
| 01:58.57 | ma3x | aeronadix, NOT for playing, I need it for encoding |
| 01:59.01 | nvz | aeronadix: theres nothing to see really.. heh sawfish is just a window manager it has no on-screen visuals other than the programs you run.. and I run a psuedo-transparent aterm automatically and sawfish positions it and streches it to fit the screen and takes the window off it and makes it enter only focus.. so it looks basically like console but with a picture behind it |
| 01:59.09 | jcurry | dannythm: w32codecs should handle that |
| 01:59.13 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: set CC in the nvidia makefile, or if you're using a newer kernel, use gcc-4.0 |
| 01:59.17 | sonyman | nn-: they do in one way or another. a geforce 4 mx is a geforce 2 and they're still supported |
| 01:59.18 | nn- | DuncanF: they recently dropped the support for a range of older cards |
| 01:59.18 | DuncanF | nn-, alright, though nf2 not gf2, I've got a radeon 9800 |
| 01:59.37 | DuncanF | nn-, motherboard drivers |
| 01:59.37 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: but the nvidia modules are likely broken; you're better off just using nv unless you absolutely need the nvidia drivers |
| 01:59.39 | jcurry | dondelelcaro: where *is* the nvidia makefile? :) |
| 01:59.54 | jcurry | dondelelcaro: they are broken? they worked for me a second ago |
| 02:00.14 | aeronadix | nvz, cool, so you only work on the shell. what do you do. Myself, I used to set my screen up like that too, but then when I gotta faster machine and could install kde or gnome I just started using it and never went back |
| 02:00.14 | jcurry | dondelelcaro: well, a couple of hours ago :) |
| 02:00.15 | nn- | DuncanF: does nvidia offer chipset drivers for linux? |
| 02:00.15 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: anyway, good luck with that. |
| 02:00.31 | jcurry | dondelelcaro: you have to tell me where they are! noo! don't go! |
| 02:00.33 | aeronadix | nvz, you should try enlightenment, its cool too |
| 02:00.41 | aeronadix | nvz, its by same people as aterm |
| 02:00.42 | jcurry | dondelelcaro: the nvidia makefile, that is |
| 02:00.53 | nvz | aeronadix: I can start any applications I want by triggering the sawfish menu to appear with whatever command I setup. |
| 02:01.06 | jcurry | dondelelcaro: i'd use gcc-4.0 if the kernel build didn't fail with it |
| 02:01.09 | DuncanF | nn-, I saw it at their website a few days ago, I'll send you a link |
| 02:01.12 | nvz | aeronadix: enlightenment just pisses me off, bunch eye candy and no features |
| 02:01.14 | aeronadix | nvz, thats cool |
| 02:01.19 | dannythm | jcurry: is that a package |
| 02:01.21 | abrotman | nvz: the eye candy is the feature |
| 02:01.28 | jcurry | dannythm: i believe so |
| 02:01.34 | aeronadix | nvz, no it looks really cool, my main complaint is it crashed too often |
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| 02:01.36 | DuncanF | nn-, http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
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| 02:01.55 | aeronadix | nvz, what kind of features you have that you wouldn't with enlightenment |
| 02:02.02 | nn- | DuncanF: however, ethernet, sound and ide drivers for most nforce boards ship with the kernel |
| 02:02.09 | jcurry | dannythm: yes, it is: 'apt-get install w32codecs', as root |
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| 02:02.40 | aeronadix | nvz, I'm not even sure which features I have with gnome that I didn't when I used to use blackbox, or fluxbox |
| 02:02.43 | DuncanF | nn-, aye, doing a network install though it said there were a few components it didn't have drivers for |
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| 02:03.19 | nvz | abrotman: no, easy configuration tool like sawfish-ui is a feature... context based bindings is a feature, matched windows is a feature, not being updated in forever and thus not ewmh compliant...er um.. heh |
| 02:03.27 | hyperactivecrond | eergh it doesnt show up in dmesg at all. |
| 02:03.31 | hyperactivecrond | lifes a bitch |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: you have to use the isapnptools |
| 02:03.49 | nvz | aeronadix: gnome used to use sawfish as its window manager before megashitty |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | nvz: if you think eye candy is a feature .. then it's a feature .. but it's apparently not a feature for you |
| 02:04.11 | nn- | DuncanF: what components caused the trouble? |
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| 02:04.35 | hyperactivecrond | abrotmN: not existing... |
| 02:04.46 | aeronadix | nvz, I have tried sawfish, I tried them all basically, I was on a frensy for a while, trying all the desktops |
| 02:04.53 | Gnea | abrotman: so search for it |
| 02:04.56 | Gnea | er |
| 02:05.00 | Gnea | hyperactivecrond: so search for it |
| 02:05.05 | ma3x | how do I install x264 on debian? |
| 02:05.05 | mbishop | I really like sawfish myself :) |
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| 02:05.16 | hyperactivecrond | apt-search isapnptools returns nothing |
| 02:05.20 | DuncanF | nn-, didn't really halt the installation, was just saying it was missing some drivers, for ide, (both thernet ports until I set up the network devices then that went away), and sound |
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| 02:05.35 | Gnea | hyperactivecrond: wrong command. |
| 02:05.39 | nvz | abrotman: yeah but with matched windows I can make any interface I want.. if I want tuxeyes -luxus in 300x400@540,680 at layer -4 and skipped in the tasklist and window list..etc I can do that if I want a clock to appear..whatever |
| 02:05.43 | DuncanF | nn-, using an Asus a7n8x motherboard |
| 02:05.44 | Gnea | apt-cache search pnptool |
| 02:05.48 | abrotman | Gnea: ? |
| 02:05.50 | nvz | abrotman: I dont have a predefined bag of tricks |
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| 02:05.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:05.58 | nvz | abrotman: that I can minimally configure |
| 02:06.13 | hyperactivecrond | Gnea: no |
| 02:06.17 | aeronadix | hyperactivecrond, don't you know how to use a search engine |
| 02:06.33 | hyperactivecrond | aeronadix: no... please give me further input on this |
| 02:06.42 | hyperactivecrond | ^^ with scathing sarcasm |
| 02:06.45 | Gnea | hyperactivecrond: www.google.com |
| 02:07.40 | Gnea | ah |
| 02:07.41 | aeronadix | hyperactivecrond, haha, you have to be less specific to get greater results |
| 02:07.41 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: what version of debian are you running ? |
| 02:07.41 | nn- | DuncanF: got the same mobo, ide and sound require no external drivers if your kernel is set up correctly |
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| 02:07.41 | hyperactivecrond | abrotman: testing/unstable sarge |
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| 02:07.45 | dooglus | my sound is only coming out of the left speaker. adjusting the balance control in bmp doesn't help. is there another balance control somewhere? |
| 02:07.48 | Gnea | hyperactivecrond: no, it's only one, not all 3 |
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| 02:07.55 | DuncanF | nn-, which kernal did you setup with? I'm using 2.6.8 |
| 02:07.55 | hyperactivecrond | gnea: um... |
| 02:07.56 | jcurry | how do i chnage the compiler that module-assistant compiles the nvidia module with? where are the makefiles? |
| 02:07.56 | aeronadix | dooglus, check the plug |
| 02:07.57 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: you'll have to get the package from sarge |
| 02:07.59 | dannythm | jcurry: thanks ^^ |
| 02:07.59 | dooglus | aeronadix: I did. it's the same if I use headphones instead. |
| 02:07.59 | jcurry | dannythm: np |
| 02:08.00 | hyperactivecrond | in /etc/issue it says Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable |
| 02:08.03 | Gnea | hyperactivecrond: sarge is stable, etch is testing and sid is unstable |
| 02:08.07 | aeronadix | dooglus, oh thats a tough one |
| 02:08.10 | hyperactivecrond | but i installed from a sarge cd |
| 02:08.13 | nn- | DuncanF: i was running 2.6.14 - 2.6.15.x |
| 02:08.13 | hyperactivecrond | an older one abeit |
| 02:08.22 | hyperactivecrond | i guess this was when sarge == testing |
| 02:08.28 | Gnea | hyperactivecrond: when's the last time you did an apt-get update? |
| 02:08.36 | abrotman | there is no isapnptools in etch/sid .. you'l have to get it from sarge |
| 02:08.42 | dooglus | it's the same for OSS and alsa, too. |
| 02:08.49 | Gnea | abrotman: hold on... |
| 02:08.54 | aeronadix | dooglus, still its hard to believe thats a software thing, install aumix and see if the balance is off |
| 02:08.57 | hyperactivecrond | Gnea: about 15 minutes ago |
| 02:08.59 | nn- | DuncanF: runs very stable, only apic causes trouble |
| 02:09.03 | DuncanF | nn- maybe I read it wrong, was that a setup kernal or did you update it later? As I had two options upons etup, 2.4 and 2.6 series |
| 02:09.15 | BACbKA | maybe if I know that the 2.6.8-ilmarinen is generated fine, I should reboot there and re-install the 2.6.15 kernel package from there? maybe the modules searched to stick into that initrd image will then be different?? BTW an install report from the last time (when I made it fully work on my 2.6.8 setup) is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318225 |
| 02:09.16 | Gnea | hyperactivecrond: and it reads from what configuration file? |
| 02:09.22 | abrotman | Gnea: oh . it's just not in testing .. it's in sarge/sid |
| 02:09.33 | hyperactivecrond | Gnea: ? |
| 02:09.53 | hyperactivecrond | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.54 | dooglus | aeronadix: ok |
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| 02:10.44 | TheWahbinator | Starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udevd failed! |
| 02:10.47 | DuncanF | nn-, I've got another 2 hours until my network install is finishing though |
| 02:10.53 | nn- | DuncanF: downloaded it later, I only used the debian kernel for installation, it's quite old |
| 02:11.13 | aeronadix | DuncanF, 2 hours? |
| 02:11.28 | TheWahbinator | how do I fix my udev problem, I have /sys and /proc mounted |
| 02:11.28 | DuncanF | aeronadix, yeah, downloading packages |
| 02:11.38 | aeronadix | DuncanF, you on dialup? |
| 02:11.48 | DuncanF | aeronadix, 320kDSL |
| 02:12.07 | hyperactivecrond | ok so i installed the isapnp deb what do i do now? |
| 02:12.11 | aeronadix | DuncanF, I have my netinstall system install in 10 mins, then it take like 10 mins to install X, and then maybe 20mins to install kde |
| 02:28.16 | BACbKA | the wider your bandwidth, the longer your penis |
| 02:28.20 | DuncanF | gah, netsplit? |
| 02:28.22 | hyperactivecrond | im pnpdump'ing... eek no boards found! |
| 02:28.22 | aeronadix | DuncanF, maybe you chose a mirror in far east asia |
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| 02:28.25 | TheWahbinator | yep |
| 02:28.25 | hyperactivecrond | THE EXODUS HAS BEGUN! |
| 02:28.25 | TheWahbinator | now more ppl to solve my problem lol |
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| 02:30.14 | hyperactivecrond | wb everyoe? |
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| 02:30.17 | Gnea | oh wait, he's gone now |
| 02:30.17 | abrotman | maybe that explains why dpkg wouldn't answer |
| 02:30.17 | jcurry | Pollywog: well, i have the sources, since it compiles, i just need to compile with gcc-3.4, since that is what i compiled my kernel with, but gcc-4.0 is the system default, and that is why it probably doesn't work.. |
| 02:30.17 | rolo | i am having trouble getting wine to work properly .... i think its because of a dependency ... for libc6 2.3.5 or over ... i had 2.3.2 but i am having trouble updating it with aptitude or apt-get |
| 02:30.18 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: pnpdump |
| 02:30.18 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 02:30.18 | Pollywog | oh my |
| 02:30.19 | rolo | it just updates some of the packages .. but nto all of them |
| 02:30.19 | hyperactivecrond | wtf? |
| 02:30.20 | Gnea | hyperactivecrond: pnpdump |
| 02:30.20 | rolo | for example libc6-dev is nto updated |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: maybe it's not isapnp .. maybe it's full jumpered |
| 02:30.22 | IOscanner | Has anyone tried IPSEC with the 2.6.15.2 kernel? |
| 02:30.22 | Gnea | netsplit |
| 02:30.22 | hyperactivecrond | Gnea: no cards found |
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| 02:30.23 | dpkg | hi, abrotman |
| 02:30.23 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 02:30.23 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 02:30.23 | DuncanF | aeronadix, nah I chose US mirrors, just I did a desktop package install, I didn't feel like sorting through all 15k packages at the time, just wanted to sort through and remove what I didn't want later and add what I needed |
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| 02:30.24 | hyperactivecrond | and what the fuck just happened where everyone /parted? |
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| 02:30.24 | Pollywog | netsplit |
| 02:30.25 | aeronadix | DuncanF, cool, yeah it does take longer when you do it that way |
| 02:30.25 | Gnea | hyperactivecrond: netsplit, chill |
| 02:30.25 | hyperactivecrond | ah |
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| 02:30.26 | aeronadix | DuncanF, But at least you can leave and everything you need is done when you get back |
| 02:30.26 | nvz | sure is different seeing #debian without all that crap :P |
| 02:30.26 | Pollywog | it wasn't leprechauns |
| 02:30.26 | Gnea | lspnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available |
| 02:30.26 | jcurry | Pollywog: do you know where debian puts the sources? so i can change the Makefile to use gcc-3.4? |
| 02:30.26 | hyperactivecrond | maybe some funky bios setting... |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | !netsplit |
| 02:30.26 | dpkg | from memory, netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 02:30.26 | aeronadix | nvz, what crap? |
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| 02:30.27 | nvz | aeronadix: joins, parts, and quits |
| 02:30.27 | DuncanF | aeronadix, yeah |
| 02:30.27 | dooglus | aeronadix: aumix shows the PCM balance as all the way to the left, and it won't move. |
| 02:30.27 | Pollywog | the nvisdia sourcxe? /usr/src/modules |
| 02:30.27 | Gnea | !info isapnptools etch |
| 02:30.27 | hyperactivecrond | i installed it from sarge |
| 02:30.28 | jcurry | Pollywog: oh. ok! thanks! |
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| 02:30.28 | aeronadix | dooglus, it won't move, you got a hardware problem with you soundcard I am guessing |
| 02:30.28 | ma3x | would you tell me how to install x264 codec? |
| 02:30.28 | hyperactivecrond | *enters bios* |
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| 02:30.28 | Gnea | ok, so pnpdump |
| 02:30.28 | jcurry | Pollywog: do i just insert a 'CC=gcc-2.4' at the top? |
| 02:30.29 | nvz | I need like either my status line or my topic line just showing --!> user or <!--- user or something just so I know when people leave |
| 02:30.29 | hyperactivecrond | Gnea: no cards found |
| 02:30.29 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: look at the card .. is there a pile of jumpers for setting IRQ and COM ? |
| 02:30.29 | dooglus | aeronadix: I'll try rebooting I guess if you don't have any other idea |
| 02:30.29 | Pollywog | jcurry I think so |
| 02:30.30 | DuncanF | nn-, what kernal was it you used again? lost it in the netsplit dump |
| 02:30.30 | jcurry | Pollywog: thanks a bunch! |
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| 02:30.30 | nvz | or maybe setup a config to log em in another window |
| 02:30.30 | Gnea | hyperactivecrond: oh ok then, you don't have to worry about it |
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| 02:30.31 | hyperactivecrond | my audio is set for half duplex... maybe thats it? |
| 02:30.31 | Azar | hyperactivecrond: it is a good practice to keep the version "names" in sources.list so when a new version is released will not take you by surprise: sarge etch sid instead of stable testing unstable |
| 02:30.31 | aeronadix | dooglus, yeah, sorry I can't think of a next move to try myself, ask again here, maybe someone else had similar issue |
| 02:30.32 | hyperactivecrond | Azar: so i can do this? |
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| 02:30.32 | Azar | hyperactivecrond: if you want to... |
| 02:30.32 | hyperactivecrond | alright. i'm gonna s/testing/unstable and see what happenes |
| 02:30.32 | Pollywog | I changed the symlink to gcc to point to the compiler I was using but then had to chang the symlink back |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | oh there's a bad idea |
| 02:30.33 | hyperactivecrond | or you know what? i give up. |
| 02:30.33 | Azar | hyperactivecrond: NO, just ONE |
| 02:30.33 | Pollywog | yes I know |
| 02:30.33 | hyperactivecrond | s/testing/sarge* |
| 02:30.33 | aeronadix | dooglus, try another mixer maybe, man I just adjusted my balance on aumix and now i can't get it centered just perfect back |
| 02:30.33 | dooglus | aumix shows my PCM balance is stuff on the far left and it won't move back. any idea how to get it back in the middle? |
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| 02:30.34 | hyperactivecrond | and ive given up. |
| 02:30.34 | Azar | hyperactivecrond: you use either stable or sarge. Not both |
| 02:30.34 | portamente | have anyone got dvd codec to install? |
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| 02:30.35 | nvz | dooglus: maybe its muted |
| 02:30.35 | Pollywog | even I won't do that |
| 02:30.35 | nvz | dooglus: press 'm' |
| 02:30.35 | DuncanF | last version of linux I used was fedora core 1, any major differences I should be aware of aside frompackaging/software |
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| 02:30.35 | aeronadix | hyperactivecrond, enjoy MS. I can't stand the delay in windowing. Its garbage software |
| 02:30.36 | portamente | i used to have core 4 |
| 02:30.36 | nvz | DuncanF: we burried the deadrat, so the smell should be better |
| 02:30.36 | dooglus | m |
| 02:30.36 | hyperactivecrond | aeronadix: sorry but i _have_ to ahve sound so |
| 02:30.36 | DuncanF | nvz, haha :) |
| 02:30.37 | dooglus | nvz: I can hear playback, but only in the left speaker |
| 02:30.37 | Pollywog | Azar what did you mean when you said use sarge or stable not both? |
| 02:30.37 | aeronadix | hyperactivecrond, don't apologize to me, you gonna miss out not me |
| 02:30.37 | hyperactivecrond | i know... |
| 02:30.37 | Azar | hyperactivecrond: I have sound, everyone here has sound. What you need is patience and study |
| 02:30.37 | Pollywog | you mean in sources.list? |
| 02:30.37 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 02:30.38 | dpkg | hmm... isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
| 02:30.38 | hyperactivecrond | it hasnt worked in any distro ive tried so far |
| 02:30.38 | nvz | dooglus: turn around. |
| 02:30.39 | aeronadix | hyperactivecrond, just upgrade to kernel 2.6 and you will have sound my friend |
| 02:30.39 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: are there jumpers on the card or not ? |
| 02:30.39 | hyperactivecrond | aeronadix: i ahve |
| 02:30.39 | hyperactivecrond | have* |
| 02:30.39 | dooglus | nvz: still only in the left ear |
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| 02:30.40 | hyperactivecrond | abrotman: its a notebook? |
| 02:30.40 | nvz | dooglus: yeah I think you're deaf in one ear |
| 02:30.40 | portamente | i ended up with "apt-get beep player" it worked when nothing else would |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: oh .. |
| 02:30.40 | dooglus | nvz: I'm wearing headphones |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 02:30.40 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 02:30.40 | nvz | dooglus: heh |
| 02:30.41 | Azar | Pollywog: as everyone here knows, each distro has a name: stable is called sarge, testing is called etch, and unstable is called sid. You can only use one instance in the sources like: either /stable or /sarge NOT BOTH |
| 02:30.41 | portamente | apt-get isntall-excuse me |
| 02:30.41 | aeronadix | nvz, no it shows in his aumix too |
| 02:30.41 | hyperactivecrond | ugh... i have 2.6 |
| 02:30.41 | nvz | dooglus: or that. |
| 02:30.41 | Pollywog | Azar: tnx |
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| 02:30.42 | aeronadix | hyperactivecrond, do lsmod and see if you have sound driver, if so, install aumix, and turn up the freeking volume |
| 02:30.42 | portamente | i'm on unstable |
| 02:30.42 | DuncanF | so on a side note, anyone had a look at windows vista? |
| 02:30.42 | portamente | aumix huh? have to check it out |
| 02:30.43 | hyperactivecrond | aeronadix: alsaconf wont see it |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | DuncanF: wrong channel |
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| 02:30.43 | portamente | the windows room is down the hall |
| 02:30.43 | Pollywog | is there a way to install testing or unstable directly without first installing sarge and then doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 02:30.44 | aeronadix | DuncanF, looks the same old thing |
| 02:30.44 | portamente | lol |
| 02:30.44 | magyar | !hi |
| 02:30.44 | dpkg | hello, magyar |
| 02:30.44 | magyar | !beer |
| 02:30.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 02:30.44 | Azar | Pollywog: the way I hear there is a net installer for etch (testing) |
| 02:30.44 | Pollywog | oic |
| 02:30.45 | elijahlofgren | Pollywog: There is a CD image for etch you can download. That's what I used to install etch 2 days ago. |
| 02:30.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Testing -- Debian After He's Had A Few. Stable -- Debian On Prozac. Unstable -- Debian Totally Wasted. |
| 02:30.45 | aeronadix | what? |
| 02:30.45 | portamente | heehee |
| 02:30.45 | Pollywog | I wondered because I did two upgrades that failed, so I am going back to sarge, installing it now |
| 02:30.45 | Azar | haha nice nice |
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| 02:30.45 | TheWahbinator | Ubuntu -- Debian on LSD |
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| 02:30.46 | JeffH | I just installed cwRsync on windows (a cygwin packaging of rsync). After I install it and ssh I try to connect from my linux box using 'rsync -t test.txt fastback:test' (where 'test' is in my rsyncd.conf file) and I get a password prompt. I enter my password and I'm told 'Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactively).' any idea what might be wrong? |
| 02:30.46 | portamente | knopix--debian on crack |
| 02:30.46 | Pollywog | elijahlofgren: thanks |
| 02:30.46 | elijahlofgren | Pollywog: See here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:30.46 | TheWahbinator | Linspire -- Debian for your Grandmother |
| 02:30.46 | Pollywog | thanks |
| 02:30.46 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:30.46 | Azar | TheWahbinator: you are my favorite character on Transformers |
| 02:30.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | Knoppix and Ubuntu -- Debian's Estranged, Cross-Dressing, Kissing Cousins |
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| 02:30.47 | abrotman | GenNMX|Thrae: knock it off please |
| 02:30.47 | TheWahbinator | wtf |
| 02:30.47 | portamente | linspire--debian for the termailly challenged |
| 02:30.47 | nvz | heh |
| 02:30.47 | TheWahbinator | i don't get it |
| 02:30.47 | DuncanF | what are the major differences in the debian based distributions compared to the origional? |
| 02:30.48 | TheWahbinator | just solve my damn udev problem |
| 02:30.48 | jair_11 | I am trying to copy a file from one computer to a remote one, I am using this command with rsync: rsync -a -v -e ssh -p 5400 dir1/ jair@pcguruji.com:/home/jair/destination |
| 02:30.48 | aeronadix | knoppix replace 1 cdrom per month, thats what I think |
| 02:30.48 | Pollywog | yes Linspire is good for grannies |
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| 02:30.48 | aeronadix | its good for show |
| 02:30.48 | jair_11 | is this ok? |
| 02:30.48 | abrotman | DuncanF: they're not debian .. end of discussion |
| 02:30.48 | nvz | abrotman: what time is it? |
| 02:30.48 | abrotman | nvz: STILL SUNDAY! |
| 02:30.48 | nvz | :) |
| 02:30.49 | BzFire | does anyone know how i can change language from german to english after debian is installed |
| 02:30.49 | abrotman | BzFire: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:30.49 | aeronadix | BzFire, haha |
| 02:30.49 | BzFire | aeronadix: :) |
| 02:30.49 | BzFire | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 02:30.49 | gravity | en-utf.8 |
| 02:30.49 | JeffH | I just installed cwRsync on windows (a cygwin packaging of rsync). After I install it and ssh I try to connect from my linux box using 'rsync -t test.txt fastback:test' (where 'test' is in my rsyncd.conf file) and I get a password prompt. I enter my password and I'm told 'Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactively).' any idea what might be wrong? |
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| 02:30.50 | abrotman | gravity: the rumors of your death were greatly exaggerated ! |
| 02:30.50 | jair_11 | anyone can help me with rsync :( |
| 02:30.50 | gravity | abrotman: I'm alive and well, but I've been a busy social butterfly this weekend |
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| 02:30.50 | portamente | you may have had sticky keys- jeffh |
| 02:30.50 | DuncanF | abrotman, alright, just curious as there has to be a reason they are called debian based |
| 02:30.50 | JeffH | I'm having rsync issues here too.. no one sees interested in helping. |
| 02:30.50 | portamente | that problem was in my kanotix install |
| 02:30.50 | abrotman | gravity: i figured you were taking time off after 7 :) |
| 02:30.51 | eyeris | What is wrong with the mysql packages in unstable. What is this libmysql15off? |
| 02:30.51 | aeronadix | DuncanF, they called debian based cause they're debian based, what other reason were you looking for |
| 02:30.51 | abrotman | DuncanF: and mandriva was at one time RH based .. so what ? |
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| 02:30.52 | Pollywog | elijahlofgren: when you used that iso did you have any problems with udev or hotplug? |
| 02:30.52 | Azar | abrotman, I am curious too, what Debian-based means? what are they copying from Debian? |
| 02:30.52 | JohnFlux | I'm install debian and at the point where I want to install locales |
| 02:30.52 | nvz | DuncanF: because someone installed debian and created a live cd of it using bootcd |
| 02:30.52 | eyeris | Azar, dpkg, etc |
| 02:30.53 | Pollywog | Azar the packaging |
| 02:30.53 | JohnFlux | but that wants to remove base-config |
| 02:30.53 | Azar | ah I see thanks |
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| 02:30.53 | aeronadix | apt-get |
| 02:30.53 | JohnFlux | is it okay to remove base-config to replace with locales? |
| 02:30.53 | DuncanF | aeronadix just curious, not too experienced with linux especially the newer versions |
| 02:30.53 | Pollywog | in the case of Xandros they use some debian packages too and also sources |
| 02:30.53 | abrotman | Azar: various things |
| 02:30.54 | elijahlofgren | Pollywog: No I didn't. See: http://www.elijahlofgren.com/debian/ for tips that I found out during my etch install and since. |
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| 02:30.54 | hedpe | how do you recreate /dev with udev? |
| 02:30.54 | strider | JohnFlux: yes |
| 02:30.54 | hex1 | hey, does anyone know what the name of the megaraid module is in the Debian Sarge 3.1r1 installer CD is? |
| 02:30.54 | abrotman | hedpe: MAKEDEV |
| 02:30.54 | JohnFlux | abrotman: are you sure? |
| 02:30.54 | hedpe | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:30.54 | litage | are there any reasons to use libmysqlclient12 rather than libmysqlclient14? |
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| 02:30.55 | JohnFlux | abrotman: i'm not sure that's what he wants is it? |
| 02:30.55 | nvz | abrotman: no need to shout :P |
| 02:30.55 | abrotman | JohnFlux: depends what he's trying to do |
| 02:30.55 | JeffH | does rsync default to trying an ssh connection? |
| 02:30.55 | JohnFlux | abrotman: i think he has udev and wants to make all the symlinks? |
| 02:30.55 | Azar | hex1: I allways help myself in finding modules by using modconf command, it gives you a list of modules for various hardware |
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| 02:30.56 | hedpe | abrotman: my /dev only use console and null |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | JohnFlux: MAKEDEV .. not there? |
| 02:30.56 | hex1 | mm, does modconf list all the possible modules? |
| 02:30.56 | Pollywog | elijahlofgren: thanks, I will try that, getting iso now |
| 02:30.56 | hex1 | and does it work on the instaer cd? |
| 02:30.56 | Networking- | debian 3.1 r1 have language pt br ? |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | nvz: will you drive downtown and fix hedpe ? |
| 02:30.57 | Azar | hex1: only the ones for the kernel you are running |
| 02:30.57 | abrotman | !br |
| 02:30.57 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:30.57 | JeffH | I just installed cwRsync on windows (a cygwin packaging of rsync). After I install it and ssh I try to connect from my linux box using 'rsync -t test.txt fastback:test' (where 'test' is in my rsyncd.conf file) and I get a password prompt. I enter my password and I'm told 'Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactively).' any idea what might be wrong? |
| 02:31.10 | hex1 | alright, and then I just do modprobe <name of module>? |
| 02:31.12 | Pollywog | isn't that Italian? |
| 02:31.12 | nvz | abrotman: yeah let me go get some wheels for my lisc so I can drive it around |
| 02:31.17 | Networking- | i want to know if debian 3.1 r1 have a pt br language |
| 02:31.21 | DuncanF | also, will I be able to access to NTFS partition through debian to pull in media/data, if not is there a way to enable it? |
| 02:31.23 | BzFire | dpkg-reconfigure locales didn't change the locales for commandline |
| 02:31.28 | abrotman | nvz: hehe |
| 02:31.28 | Pollywog | not Portugese |
| 02:31.47 | Networking- | only english ? |
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| 02:32.34 | nvz | abrotman: or I'll tell you what, after I get back from smoking this, I'll just fly over |
| 02:32.35 | Pollywog | English here |
| 02:32.35 | abrotman | !tell Networking- about br |
| 02:32.35 | solemnwarning | are there any any apps in apt for making a cda file out of an MP3? |
| 02:32.35 | hedpe | abrotman: will MAKEDEV do what i am expecting? |
| 02:32.35 | abrotman | hedpe: you want to make the other device files right? |
| 02:32.35 | hedpe | abrotman: correct |
| 02:32.52 | abrotman | hedpe: it should |
| 02:33.01 | solemnwarning | anyone? |
| 02:33.01 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
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| 02:33.06 | abrotman | hedpe: if not . nvz will come fix it . and you can get him some primanti's food :) |
| 02:33.18 | nvz | bah |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | nvz: free food! |
| 02:33.39 | hedpe | abrotman: hahah, right down the street ;) |
| 02:34.00 | abrotman | hedpe: that's some nasty stuff! |
| 02:34.24 | solemnwarning | there are no packages i can use to make a .cda file? |
| 02:34.49 | ma3x | how to install x264 codec? |
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| 02:35.06 | hedpe | abrotman: i don't like their cheese steak... its like a patty... |
| 02:35.13 | nvz | nothing is worse than the Italian Villa.. I just want to blow that place up for calling themselves the Italian Villa.. |
| 02:35.21 | abrotman | hedpe: it's hard to compare to a philly cheesesteak :) |
| 02:35.29 | JeffH | Is there a way to log ssh login failures? |
| 02:35.41 | abrotman | try -v ? |
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| 02:35.49 | nvz | they are a buncha greek sons of bitches that make gyros is what everyone calls em for.. their italian food is disgraceful |
| 02:35.57 | bbrazil | JeffH: it should do that automatically |
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| 02:36.11 | freeeeza | existe debian for processor 64 bits? |
| 02:36.14 | JeffH | bbrazil you would think.. but my openssh.log file is empty. |
| 02:36.16 | hedpe | abrotman: are you from pittsburgh? |
| 02:36.16 | portamente | stop im getting hungry now |
| 02:36.26 | bbrazil | JeffH: eh, are you running Debian? |
| 02:36.42 | JeffH | the server is a cygwin rsync. |
| 02:36.42 | abrotman | hedpe: my brothers both went to Pitt and one still lives there |
| 02:36.53 | abrotman | hedpe: i live outside philly |
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| 02:36.58 | hedpe | abrotman: awesome, Pitt lost to Bradley :( :( |
| 02:37.02 | nvz | portamente: unless you like gyros Italian Villa shouldnt make you hungry.. cause they sure as hell cant cook anything else |
| 02:37.05 | hex1 | hey, modconf doesn't work on the installer cd |
| 02:37.08 | abrotman | hedpe: basketball ? |
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| 02:37.12 | hex1 | any other wasy to find the module name? |
| 02:37.22 | hedpe | abrotman: yeah in the NCAA tourny |
| 02:37.22 | abrotman | ls ? |
| 02:37.23 | nn- | hex1: modprobe -l |
| 02:37.27 | bbrazil | JeffH: then I can only give you general adive. Check your syslog.conf, you might have to bump the loglevel in sshd_conf up a notch |
| 02:37.37 | abrotman | hedpe: all i know about pittsburgh sports is ultimate frisbee |
| 02:37.47 | nvz | heh |
| 02:37.53 | hedpe | abrotman: hehe |
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| 02:38.10 | abrotman | hedpe: my brother was a big UF player/coach |
| 02:38.11 | DuncanF | good ol ultimate frisbee, it's played alot up here in Alaska |
| 02:38.12 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
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| 02:38.14 | shiwul | got the msg when building kernel-2.6.15 from linux-source-2.6.15: "dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.15 not in control info". have i missed a step or two? |
| 02:38.14 | abrotman | in pittsburgh anyways |
| 02:38.18 | jimb0 | pitt is generally great at sports |
| 02:38.28 | jimb0 | football, basketball both very solid obviously |
| 02:38.38 | coliname | exist debian for processor 64 bits? |
| 02:38.42 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 02:38.42 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 02:39.13 | concept10 | does apt-get source <pkg> only fetch source or does it compile also without intervention? |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | nvz: you're the yinzer! |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | nvz: did you know there are apparently two sewickleys in PA ? |
| 02:39.47 | Axioms_101 | hi, i'm trying to connect to my wireless router, i got everything working but dhclient tries to connect on the wrong subnet mask, how can i change it to 255.255.255.0 |
| 02:40.01 | nvz | abrotman: *shrug* |
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| 02:40.05 | hex1 | damn...megaraid wasn't in the list :-/ |
| 02:40.12 | hex1 | is there a similar module that should work? |
| 02:40.29 | hex1 | trying to get a HP NetRAID embedded controller to be seen |
| 02:40.32 | hanasaki | how do i get gnome to automount a usb drive and put it on the desktop when its plugged in? |
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| 02:40.36 | nvz | abrotman: Sewickley "Sweet Water", PA 15143 |
| 02:40.59 | abrotman | nvz: the one is near you .. the other is down towards north huntingdon |
| 02:41.02 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: I think you need to install gnome-volume-manager (I use KDE) |
| 02:41.05 | nvz | abrotman: only one I know of |
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| 02:41.21 | hanasaki | thanks.. |
| 02:41.26 | abrotman | nvz: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=sewickley,+pa&ll=40.280573,-79.703064&spn=0.390776,1.366425 |
| 02:41.27 | hex1 | ??? |
| 02:41.28 | JeffH | guess I'll ask on the dirvish mailing list where someone might actually know the answer. |
| 02:41.37 | hedpe | abrotman: i've always sucked at frisbee |
| 02:41.45 | juice` | anyone else getting strange error on gnome with unstable ? That stops from using Application window ? |
| 02:41.53 | hanasaki | brb thanks elijahlofgren |
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| 02:41.57 | juice` | when i click on it, it dissepears immediatly |
| 02:42.02 | abrotman | hedpe: my brother is a freak athlete .. he wanted to play soccer .. they told him he'd have to red shirt .. so he started playing frisbee :) |
| 02:42.03 | juice` | its supposed to be debian bug |
| 02:42.05 | hex1 | anyone know of a alternate module to megaraid? |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 02:42.18 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 02:42.20 | hanasaki | hmm loads hal too.. whatever that is? |
| 02:42.22 | hanasaki | whats hal? |
| 02:42.34 | abrotman | nvz: admit it . it's werird |
| 02:42.38 | hex1 | !which driver |
| 02:42.38 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 02:42.38 | nn- | hanasaki: hardware abtraction layer |
| 02:42.40 | abrotman | hedpe: did that get your devices made ? |
| 02:42.47 | abrotman | !hal |
| 02:42.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 02:42.48 | hedpe | abrotman: yeah :) thanks! |
| 02:43.00 | hanasaki | nn-: i thought linux abstracted the hw |
| 02:43.02 | nvz | abrotman: yeah two Sewickley, PA's 40 miles or so from one another |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | hedpe: yay .. now go get some beer! |
| 02:43.33 | abrotman | nvz: weird eh ? |
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| 02:43.56 | dooglus | rebooting fixed my balance problem. any idea how to do it without rebooting? |
| 02:44.09 | abrotman | dooglus: see the doctor about your vertigo ? |
| 02:44.20 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: hotplug hal and gnome-volume-manager are installed.. stil nothing on the desktop |
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| 02:44.54 | nvz | abrotman: I never seen that other one before |
| 02:44.56 | dooglus | abrotman: I'm serious |
| 02:44.58 | nn- | hanasaki: automount is usually handled through hotplug, which requires kernel support and a couple ofuserland tools |
| 02:45.01 | kurumin | BRasil algem ai ? |
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| 02:45.02 | abrotman | dooglus: what balance? |
| 02:45.05 | abrotman | !br |
| 02:45.05 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:45.12 | foo | Hm, this is weird. du -ha / reports 4.5G / ... but df -h report s.. /dev/hda1 71G 27G 41G 40% / . .that really doesn't make sense to me. Any ideas ? |
| 02:45.13 | dooglus | abrotman: the left-right balance on the pcm |
| 02:45.18 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: After you installed them did you reinsert the usb stick? |
| 02:45.20 | hanasaki | nn-: i do have automount installed and have an /etc/auto.master |
| 02:45.21 | abrotman | dooglus: use aumix ? |
| 02:45.28 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: reinserting |
| 02:45.31 | dooglus | abrotman: I tried that. |
| 02:45.37 | abrotman | no good ? |
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| 02:45.55 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: is there a wya to tell the system to rescan? |
| 02:46.00 | dooglus | abrotman: it might be that the 'right' key isn't recognised by aumix |
| 02:46.16 | dooglus | abrotman: I can put the balance back to the left, but not correct it again. |
| 02:46.28 | nvz | abrotman: Sewickley, Sewickley, and Sewickley Heights.. maybe we should just call it all Sewickley |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:46.36 | nn- | hanasaki: I am not talking about the kernel automounter |
| 02:46.36 | hanasaki | brb |
| 02:46.39 | jair_11 | anyone can help me out with rsync stuck :( |
| 02:46.44 | abrotman | dooglus: that's just freaking weird |
| 02:46.46 | dooglus | abrotman: oh, but that's only the case for the pcm balance. the other ones I can adjust in both directions. |
| 02:46.54 | jair_11 | I am trying to back up some files remotely |
| 02:46.55 | ma3x | how do I install x264 codec? |
| 02:47.02 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: I don't know. I use KDE. Are you running sarge, etch, or sid? |
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| 02:48.19 | nvz | abrotman: well this is the real sewickley.. I dont know what the fuck that is |
| 02:48.28 | abrotman | nvz: you should invade it! |
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| 02:49.10 | nvz | abrotman: is there anything worth invading? |
| 02:49.24 | ealm | how do I get sound working? I have the kernel module for my card running, and my user is in the audio group |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | nvz: california, pa! |
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| 02:50.56 | aeronadix | ealm, play some music now |
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| 02:51.13 | abrotman | !tell juliomaranhao about root |
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| 02:51.19 | ealm | aeronadix: I cant |
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| 02:51.36 | aeronadix | ealm, hmmm, let me do some telepathy then |
| 02:51.43 | DuncanF | *putts around* 40% left on packages |
| 02:51.45 | nvz | I wonder if the other sewickley is filled with spoiled chicks |
| 02:51.52 | hanasaki | ok.. i was starting with something simple.. the "storage" on removable devices and media is set to "browse removable media when inserted" but its not doing it.. not even mounting a cd when iinserted |
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| 02:52.19 | kurumin | brasil portuque |
| 02:52.24 | ealm | its a shame everyone is so rude here, because the dist is so great otherwise |
| 02:52.29 | kurumin | ai como entar no debia br ? |
| 02:52.36 | aeronadix | ealm, try aumix |
| 02:52.39 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: So nothing pops up or shows up on the deskotp when you insert a CD or USB stick? |
| 02:52.45 | hanasaki | correct |
| 02:52.46 | bobyfixer | http://betraktelse.org/ has fedora 5 ! |
| 02:52.49 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Are you running sarge, etch, or sid? |
| 02:52.49 | DuncanF | everyone is rude? :P |
| 02:52.53 | hanasaki | etc |
| 02:52.54 | kurumin | portuques |
| 02:53.06 | aeronadix | ealm, at this point though you should just try to play some sound |
| 02:53.12 | hanasaki | how can i check the gnome ver for you |
| 02:53.17 | aeronadix | ealm, if you can't, why not/ |
| 02:53.21 | ealm | aeronadix: sound works! |
| 02:53.29 | aeronadix | ealm, cool |
| 02:53.30 | ealm | I didnt use aumix or anything, but it just started working |
| 02:53.32 | ealm | thanx |
| 02:53.34 | dooglus | ealm: I know what you mean. nice distro, shame about the channel. |
| 02:53.42 | aeronadix | ealm, I did the telepathy and fixed it |
| 02:53.45 | ealm | HAHA |
| 02:53.48 | ealm | :) |
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| 02:54.04 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: looks like gnome 2.12.3 |
| 02:54.20 | aeronadix | I think the debian guys on this channel do some majic too, cause I saw some module packages being worked on in my temp directory or something like that |
| 02:54.35 | DuncanF | hehe |
| 02:54.54 | Usrsbin | Hi, from dominican republic |
| 02:55.17 | aeronadix | ealm, take a look at aumix, cause sometime pcm audio go mute, and you need a mixer to unmute it. |
| 02:55.22 | nvz | do not adjust your set, you are entering the twilight zone |
| 02:55.28 | DuncanF | hey there, that's a long way away from alaska |
| 02:55.30 | ealm | aeronadix: I know that much, but thanx |
| 02:55.37 | abrotman | much warmer |
| 02:55.40 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Ok, looks like you are running Debian Unstable (sid). Maybe you could ask this question on one of the mailing lists. I can't think of what else to do. |
| 02:55.55 | nvz | I am going to bed cause I dont have shit else to do and its more comfortable than sitting here |
| 02:56.06 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: eh? how is it that i have sid? all my sources.lst has is testing |
| 02:56.07 | ma3x | how can I install from svn? |
| 02:56.12 | hanasaki | i swear! |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | nvz: go to primanti bros! |
| 02:56.46 | nvz | screw primanti bros |
| 02:56.49 | ealm | dooglus: techies arent always very socially competent... and it is like the entire debian community is driven by techies... other dists like mandrake, ubuntu and linspire have very nice communitys on the web, with a friendly tone and many social activites |
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| 02:57.15 | nn- | social activities.. |
| 02:57.18 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: I thought you had sid because I searched Gnome on packages.debian.org and it showed up that 2.12.2.2 was in testing and 2.12.3 was in unstable. Maybe that info is not up to date though. |
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| 02:57.26 | DuncanF | haha |
| 02:57.28 | nvz | send primanti's sister down here with a bottle of grandma's wine |
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| 02:57.34 | nvz | I'm going to bed |
| 02:57.36 | ma3x | hello |
| 02:57.36 | kurumin | wat debia br ?? |
| 02:57.36 | aeronadix | I am social incompetant |
| 02:57.39 | ma3x | is anyone going to help? |
| 02:57.51 | gravity | ealm: Many people in the Debian community are much the same. If you feel like letting one person screw up your image of the whole Debian community though, that's your business |
| 02:57.52 | kurumin | algum brasileiro ai |
| 02:57.53 | kurumin | : |
| 02:57.54 | kurumin | ? |
| 02:57.55 | ma3x | how do I svn co svn://svn.videolan.org/x264/trunk x264 ? |
| 02:57.55 | rolo | do you guys know of a email client on linux who can import a .PSP file from microsoft outlook ? |
| 02:57.57 | ma3x | please explain! |
| 02:58.09 | DuncanF | nn-, meant to ask earlier, do you use the stable build? |
| 02:58.20 | nn- | DuncanF: yes i am using sarge |
| 02:58.43 | aeronadix | social inept? |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | rolo: impress ? |
| 02:59.00 | ealm | gravity: I say this from years of experience with the debian community |
| 02:59.13 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: ok well.. hmm coudl you help me diagnose ? |
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| 02:59.17 | abrotman | !br |
| 02:59.17 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:59.17 | nn- | I am imcompetent in communicating with retards |
| 02:59.18 | DuncanF | nn-, alright thanks, what was the kernal you were using again? lost it in the flood from the netsplit... going to see if that fixes the few driver errors that popped up during isntallation |
| 02:59.20 | hanasaki | ug brb sorry |
| 02:59.21 | litage | are there any reasons to use libmysqlclient12 rather than libmysqlclient14? |
| 02:59.21 | rolo | impress? what you personally think about it ... is it good ? |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | never used it :) |
| 02:59.36 | ma3x | abrotman, any idea about how to svn to a site? |
| 02:59.50 | nn- | DuncanF: 2.4.32, but hotplug should work with any recent kernel |
| 02:59.56 | aeronadix | what is this svn shiite, I never heard of it |
| 03:00.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | svn = SubVersion, suppose to be easier to setup and maintain then CVS. |
| 03:00.18 | abrotman | aeronadix: subversion |
| 03:00.24 | rolo | what about thunderbird ? do you know if it imports psp files ? |
| 03:00.25 | aeronadix | oh |
| 03:00.39 | gravity | svn > cvs |
| 03:00.46 | nn- | DuncanF: don't forget to mount the fs async when you have hotplug set up |
| 03:00.46 | abrotman | rolo: didn't you ask about powerpoint? |
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| 03:00.52 | rolo | lol no |
| 03:00.57 | abrotman | rolo: OH .. you mean PST .. not psp |
| 03:01.03 | rolo | lmaoooo |
| 03:01.05 | rolo | yes i do |
| 03:01.09 | rolo | sorry man |
| 03:01.27 | DuncanF | nn-, alright, thanks again |
| 03:01.32 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: ok back |
| 03:01.39 | DuncanF | nn- bout an hour left on my package downloads |
| 03:01.43 | hanasaki | can you tell me about the automounter .. the one other than autofs |
| 03:01.45 | abrotman | rolo: i think there are some tools out there to transform PST |
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| 03:01.58 | abrotman | !info readpst sarge |
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| 03:02.04 | dpkg | readpst: (Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 03:02.07 | abrotman | rolo: ^^ |
| 03:02.25 | rolo | cool thank you abrotman |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | rolo: make a backup before you mess with it :) |
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| 03:04.48 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: hmm ok now it doesnt show up in the desktop .. it does show up in nautilus "go/computer" when i click on the cdrom drive icon . i get mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom busy |
| 03:04.49 | hanasaki | mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdc is already mounted on /media/cdrom |
| 03:05.21 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Can you go to /media/cdrom and browse the cd? |
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| 03:05.35 | hanasaki | yes |
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| 03:06.49 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Maybe you could try unmounting and ejecting the cdrom. Then you may want to try logging out and back in if you haven't done so since install gnome-volume-manager and hal. Then try inserting CD again. |
| 03:07.02 | hanasaki | k |
| 03:07.03 | hanasaki | brb |
| 03:07.20 | Pollywog_ | the testing netinst CD doesn't show the progress of the install other than to tel how many files remain to d/l |
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| 03:07.54 | Pollywog_ | elijahlofgren: but it is working, thanks |
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| 03:08.58 | elijahlofgren | Pollywog_: I noticed that also. Maybe its something they will fix later on. |
| 03:09.32 | Pollywog_ | I think so as well |
| 03:09.45 | Azar | oh my god! not another one please! BarbieOS, based on Debian Linux |
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| 03:10.09 | Pollywog_ | I think perhaps the Sarge CD that came with Debian System is rather old and that was why I could not easily upgrade |
| 03:10.14 | Pollywog_ | to testing |
| 03:10.29 | hanasaki | mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom busy |
| 03:10.29 | hanasaki | mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdc is mounted on /media/cdrom0 |
| 03:10.34 | Pollywog_ | the book Debian System |
| 03:10.35 | hanasaki | df shows /dev/hdc 18M 18M 0 100% /media/cdrom0 |
| 03:10.50 | strider | Azar: that's old. A good hoax though ;) |
| 03:11.00 | Azar | stride, no is for real |
| 03:11.10 | Azar | *strider |
| 03:11.16 | ma3x | what's the package name for devel for lame? |
| 03:11.20 | Pollywog_ | Azar what do you mean BarbieOS? |
| 03:11.27 | foo | ma3x: lame-dev ? |
| 03:11.30 | Azar | Pollywog_: http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/barbieOS.htm |
| 03:11.48 | Pollywog_ | oh yes I recall reading about that a few months ago |
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| 03:11.54 | Pollywog_ | I thought it was a joke |
| 03:12.01 | shiwul | why do modules appear in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? |
| 03:12.02 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Maybe installing pmount would help? (I running out of ideas. I think asking on the debian-user mailing list would be a good idea.) |
| 03:12.10 | strider | Azar: http://www.newsforge.com/trends/03/10/26/135244.shtml?tid=149 |
| 03:12.15 | hanasaki | pmount? |
| 03:12.17 | Pollywog_ | those are modules that will not load |
| 03:12.32 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: pmount - mount removable devices as normal user |
| 03:12.44 | ma3x | foo, there is no such in the debian packages! |
| 03:12.57 | Pollywog_ | if you do not want a module to load, put the name in that list |
| 03:13.06 | ma3x | what's the package name for devel for lame? |
| 03:13.16 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about lame |
| 03:13.18 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about marillat |
| 03:13.34 | Azar | strider that story is from Oct 2003 |
| 03:14.24 | shiwul | Pollywog, many of them appear during boot-up, i have not put them in. |
| 03:14.33 | hanasaki | hmm odd.. i installed usbmoutn and it works now |
| 03:14.42 | strider | Azar: yeah. An old hoax |
| 03:14.58 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Hmm... Well, as long as it works, I guess. :) |
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| 03:15.07 | hanasaki | lol |
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| 03:15.51 | ma3x | abrotman, thanks! I forgot marillat |
| 03:16.03 | abrotman | duh |
| 03:16.10 | shiwul | i encounter the following when building kernel-2.6.15 from source:dpkg-gencontrol -DArchitecture=i386 -isp \ |
| 03:16.12 | shiwul | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.12 | shiwul | dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.15 not in control info |
| 03:16.25 | shiwul | where is the problem? |
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| 03:16.32 | Red_Cloud | I have a permissions problem and need to join the scanner group. Whenever I ID scanner does not appear in the available groups. If I ID wesley it is listed. What do I do? |
| 03:18.05 | hanasaki | ok.. now how to get the usb hd to work ? elijahlofgren can you help |
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| 03:18.42 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: I can always try. ;) |
| 03:19.00 | hanasaki | cool |
| 03:19.07 | hanasaki | what ya got in the bag of tricks? |
| 03:19.09 | plasmid | i just installed debian for the first time.. how do apt-get xchat? |
| 03:19.13 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Is it an external USB harddrive or a USB stick? |
| 03:19.24 | abrotman | plasmid: apt-get install xchat |
| 03:19.33 | hanasaki | external hd |
| 03:19.35 | abrotman | plasmid: do you have X running yet? |
| 03:20.20 | plasmid | abrotman, yes i do |
| 03:20.29 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: I don't have an external USB hardrive so I don't have experiance with them. But maybe they act like USB sticks. (Searches mailing list archives) |
| 03:20.30 | hanasaki | i got an entry in dmesg when i plugged it in |
| 03:20.44 | plasmid | abrotman, i wanna install xchat so i can troubleshoot directly from my new shiny debian box.. |
| 03:20.45 | plasmid | brb |
| 03:21.15 | Red_Cloud | Permissions problem. Open console as user and ID. The list does not include scanner which I need to join. If I ID user the scanner group is listed. Do I have a problem? |
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| 03:22.29 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: What is the name of the device in dmesg? |
| 03:22.30 | Azar | yes indeed I now notice it was wirtten with lot of sarcasm |
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| 03:22.49 | yetistomps | ok.. i got xchat up and running!! |
| 03:23.00 | mcliber | hello |
| 03:23.07 | yetistomps | now.. i need samba so i can share my files.. |
| 03:23.10 | yetistomps | and KDE 3.5 |
| 03:23.17 | abrotman | yetistomps: that was quick |
| 03:23.33 | yetistomps | abrotman, thanks to u. :-) |
| 03:23.33 | abrotman | yetistomps: are you on sarge or etch or what? |
| 03:23.37 | yetistomps | abrotman, etch |
| 03:23.44 | abrotman | !info kdebase sarge |
| 03:23.47 | yetistomps | abrotman, how do i get KDE? apt-get install kde? |
| 03:23.47 | abrotman | !info kdebase etch |
| 03:23.48 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 03:23.50 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 03:23.53 | abrotman | !tell yetistomps about install kde |
| 03:24.28 | yetistomps | abrotman, yup... apt-get install kde (i have lotsa space) and broadband |
| 03:24.33 | abrotman | woohoo |
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| 03:24.35 | cat | hey NeoWatch |
| 03:24.36 | hanasaki | usb-storage: device found at 5 |
| 03:24.38 | abrotman | !samba |
| 03:24.38 | dpkg | it has been said that samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 03:24.45 | hanasaki | SCSI device sde: 234441648 512-byte hdwr sectors (120034 MB) |
| 03:24.55 | abrotman | yetistomps: you might also want smbclient .. not sure which way you're sharing |
| 03:24.56 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.04 | hanasaki | Attached scsi generic sg4 at scsi3, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0 |
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| 03:25.07 | Hugin2 | hi |
| 03:25.10 | NeoWatch | hi cat |
| 03:25.13 | Hugin2 | i have added an option in modules.conf (debian, kernel 2.6.15). lsmod doesnt show this option. is there another way to get the option? |
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| 03:25.53 | yetistomps | abrotman, i just want to make sure i can access my windows files and viceversa from my debian box. |
| 03:26.06 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: that help? |
| 03:26.13 | `ns` | Hugin2, modconf ? |
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| 03:26.16 | cat | Hugin2: su and try modconf |
| 03:26.28 | abrotman | yetistomps: are they on another machine? |
| 03:26.31 | Hugin2 | ansd then? |
| 03:26.33 | Hugin2 | and |
| 03:26.39 | Hugin2 | i just want to display the option |
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| 03:26.51 | cat | lsmod didn't work? |
| 03:26.59 | abrotman | lsmod doesn't show the options passed does it ? |
| 03:27.00 | Hugin2 | no, lsmod doesnt show it |
| 03:27.52 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Read through this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/11/msg00786.html and its Follow-Ups. It sounds like you will need to reformat the hard drive because it may be NTFS. |
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| 03:28.35 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: nope.. its reiser 3.6 |
| 03:28.57 | hanasaki | do i need an entry in /etc/fstab? |
| 03:29.10 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Yes, very likely. |
| 03:29.17 | yetistomps | abrotman, yes.. |
| 03:29.25 | hanasaki | hm how do i find the right entry? |
| 03:29.34 | yetistomps | abrotman, hahaha! KDE done. FULL. |
| 03:29.39 | yetistomps | phew... |
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| 03:30.40 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: I'm googling right now. |
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| 03:31.54 | navaburo | Hello! I want to bounce an idea off one of you. I need to force ppp (server) to answer even though there is no ring. |
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| 03:32.36 | hanasaki | hmm got it kinda.. w/ usbmount |
| 03:32.54 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: So it's working? |
| 03:33.00 | cat | navaburo: man ppp |
| 03:33.07 | cat | try ppp -F or -f |
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| 03:35.07 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: yes! thanks~ |
| 03:35.25 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: You're welcome. Glad I could help. :) |
| 03:35.37 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: part of the isue was i had a /media in the autofs config |
| 03:36.47 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Ok, I haven't even heard of autofs (shows how much I know). ;) |
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| 03:36.59 | hanasaki | its a non gui automounter |
| 03:37.04 | hanasaki | moutns when youaccess the drive |
| 03:37.11 | hanasaki | i use it to automount home dirs when folks login |
| 03:37.22 | piero | I have sarge running on my computador, but it have some packets from etch. I have to install libsdl1.2-dev, that depends of a version of libasound2 older that I have. Can I force a installation due I trust in my newer version? |
| 03:37.25 | hanasaki | automatcially unmounts after a period of inactivity.. ie: they have logged out |
| 03:37.37 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 03:37.37 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
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| 03:37.56 | elijahlofgren | hanasaki: Ok, sounds like a cool program. |
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| 03:38.01 | hanasaki | ya |
| 03:38.23 | navaburo | I have asked around elsewere about using redirection, but noone seems to know how to do it. I am concidering modifying the source of mgetty (gulp) |
| 03:38.24 | hanasaki | the automount stuff in gnome is cool.. but doenst do jack if you are just on the cmd line and no gui |
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| 03:38.37 | foo | Hmm, my girlfriend has a linksys USB wireless b adapter and their home network has a WEP key. How well does linux play with something like the linksys usb adapter? I thought about installing it on her 500mhz box. She currently has Windows. |
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| 03:39.35 | hanasaki | i prefer having support for automount outside of the gui.. then i can use it w/ gnome or kde or just terminal |
| 03:39.45 | pollywog | abrotman: yeah that is why I am installing testing from a netinst CD |
| 03:39.48 | nn- | hanasaki: ... hotplug |
| 03:39.53 | pollywog | I did not know they existed |
| 03:40.02 | abrotman | they do |
| 03:40.22 | pollywog | dist-upgrade just wouldn't fly |
| 03:40.52 | hanasaki | nn-: can you explain more? |
| 03:41.01 | pollywog | I think perhaps I installed sarge from an old CD |
| 03:41.46 | hanasaki | i have hotplug installed |
| 03:41.47 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.49 | pollywog | :) |
| 03:42.04 | hanasaki | it finds he drive when plugged in.. just doesnt mount it |
| 03:42.29 | pollywog | hanasaki: did you edit your fstab? |
| 03:42.41 | hanasaki | i would,, if i knew what to put in it |
| 03:42.48 | hanasaki | pollywog: can you help me learn it? |
| 03:42.50 | nn- | hanasaki: you need to have a look at /etc/hotplug/ |
| 03:43.32 | Azar | Building A Virtual Server (VPS) With Debian 3.1 (Sarge) And OpenVZ .. interesting.. |
| 03:43.57 | hanasaki | oyvey.. all of it? |
| 03:44.00 | hanasaki | lo' |
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| 03:44.43 | hanasaki | should hotplug be automatcially mounting what i plugin? |
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| 03:45.21 | pollywog | hanasaki if it is an external usb drive, I found the device in /proc/partitions IIRC |
| 03:45.48 | hanasaki | "I"? huh |
| 03:45.49 | pollywog | then I knew it was /dev/sda1 and put that in fstab |
| 03:46.58 | Ugly_Duck | how do i set locales in debian |
| 03:47.07 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:47.12 | Ugly_Duck | ahh.. okies, thanks |
| 03:47.23 | elijahlofgren | pollywog: hanasaki mentioned it was reiserfs. I don't know reiserfs, does it need special options in fstab? |
| 03:47.31 | Stevie | !ricerfs |
| 03:47.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 03:47.53 | pollywog | I don't think it needs special options |
| 03:48.08 | pollywog | I have two machines that use reiser |
| 03:49.03 | hanasaki | elijahlofgren: yes it does |
| 03:49.10 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.21 | pollywog | that is what mine looks like |
| 03:49.44 | hanasaki | hmm usbmount appears to interfere with automounting a ide cdrom |
| 03:49.45 | pollywog | the only one that has special options is the one where I disabled journaling |
| 03:49.47 | WireDDD | is there a way to force all opengl apps to open on the display which has open gl? |
| 03:49.52 | hanasaki | pollywog: mine too |
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| 03:50.22 | pollywog | but my usb drive is vfat not reiser |
| 03:50.35 | pollywog | only my hd's have reiser |
| 03:50.50 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 03:50.50 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
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| 03:51.13 | dooglus | hmmm. the sound just went to the left again, gradually, as I was listening to it. |
| 03:51.18 | dooglus | what could be causing this? |
| 03:51.25 | pollywog | dang I need to copy and past all that |
| 03:51.28 | abrotman | dooglus: any sound apps running ? |
| 03:51.37 | dooglus | abrotman: just mplayer |
| 03:51.45 | abrotman | does it have a balance option? |
| 03:52.03 | dooglus | I wasn't touching anything when it changed. just watching a movie |
| 03:52.10 | Nopalin | i get the next error when i try to import a mysql db : ERROR 1005 (HY000) at line 11: Can't create table './coop/_cal_prog.frm' (errno: 150), any one knows how i can enable foreign keys in mysql? |
| 03:52.13 | dooglus | I don't know if it has a balance option |
| 03:52.24 | hanasaki | ug now totem wont play dvd's "Failed to find mountpoint for device /dev/hdc in /etc/fstab" but fstab has " /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,group,noauto 0 0 |
| 03:52.24 | hanasaki | " |
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| 03:53.04 | pollywog | how do you put all that info into the bot? |
| 03:53.12 | pollywog | does he learn it? |
| 03:53.14 | Azar | I want an Arch Linux type of installer with the next Debian release |
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| 03:53.57 | Azar | say no to GUI |
| 03:53.59 | elijahlofgren | Azar: Have you tried the expert mode of the Debian installer? IIRC it seemed sorta like the Arch Linux installer. |
| 03:54.22 | Azar | elijahlofgren: I wasn't even able to finish a Sarge installation |
| 03:54.29 | foo | haha |
| 03:54.32 | Azar | I keep my Woody CD handy |
| 03:55.07 | Stevie | woody? |
| 03:55.08 | Azar | if Etch gonna be like Sarge installer, I will still install Woody and jump up |
| 03:55.29 | abrotman | you'll have to do two jumps |
| 03:55.38 | Azar | abrotman, unfortunately yes |
| 03:55.47 | Stevie | what's wrong with etch d-i? |
| 03:55.58 | Azar | Stevie I did not see etch yet |
| 03:56.03 | Stevie | i suspect fjp would really like to know |
| 03:56.05 | Azar | but I hope it has an optional text installer |
| 03:56.12 | Stevie | as opposed to what? |
| 03:56.23 | Azar | as opposed to a gui-like one |
| 03:56.30 | Stevie | define 'gui-like' |
| 03:56.37 | abrotman | clicky |
| 03:56.38 | Azar | and no defaults |
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| 03:56.50 | Azar | options lots of options |
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| 03:57.17 | Stevie | just set the debconf priority level to 'critical' or 'high' |
| 03:57.26 | Azar | "would you like to use dhcp? yes? no? with ketchup, mustard or mayo? |
| 03:57.50 | elijahlofgren | Azar: I installed etch 2 days ago using the etch beta2 debian installer and it was text mode and worked great. I'm pretty sure that even if etch has a gui installer it will also have a text mode installer. |
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| 03:58.05 | Stevie | actually it doesn't ask you if you want to use dhcp |
| 03:58.25 | dbe | have FSF has adopted any GNU/Linux distribution? |
| 03:58.28 | Azar | elijahlofgren: that sounds nice, the most I want same type of partition menu like woody had |
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| 03:59.26 | Azar | Stevie right I noticed that Sarge went ahead to try to configure dhcp without even warning me first... I jumped to the roof, mad, only to realize it will offer other type after it failed |
| 03:59.49 | blind_race | #debia br |
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| 04:00.29 | blind_race | brasil |
| 04:00.50 | Azar | the navigation on the partition menu in Sarge is crazy, I could not move to start creating , I could not find how to select ext3, nor assign size to partitions |
| 04:01.07 | cat | blind_race: should be debian-br |
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| 04:01.28 | Azar | blind_race: escribe /join #debian-br |
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| 04:01.35 | blind_race | brasil prorjuques.. |
| 04:01.37 | blind_race | soh.. |
| 04:01.42 | Gnea | !br |
| 04:01.42 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:02.07 | blind_race | uauhahua tanks.. |
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| 04:05.27 | michal__ | hi. anyone here know how to get the mysql server package to actually log user access to a logfile? i havn't been able to figure it out if there is |
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| 04:07.21 | pollywog | elijahlofgren: I thought I had burned a testing CD but it is Etch |
| 04:07.28 | pollywog | it installed :) |
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| 04:07.47 | elijahlofgren | pollywog: etch is testing ;) |
| 04:08.07 | pollywog | I did not know they were exactly the same' |
| 04:09.06 | nozzle | I am a huge computer nerd and I am looking for something like a `personal wiki' for keeping personal notes, todo lists, etc. I have found a tool called `zim' in testing. Anyone had good success with this or any other similar program. There seem to be many breeds and, oddly, they are typically categorized by the language they were written in. |
| 04:09.20 | pipeline | nozzle: Have you tried tomboy? |
| 04:09.26 | elijahlofgren | pollywog: Well, they are. Etch will become the next stable eventually. Sid will always be unstable. See: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 04:09.31 | pipeline | nozzle: Also, there's an emacs mode that dumps to wiki data; it's pretty cool. |
| 04:09.40 | pollywog | yes I knew that much :) |
| 04:10.13 | pollywog | should I set the "security" sources to "testing"? |
| 04:10.13 | nozzle | pipeline: tomboy has too many dependencies -- I run stable -- but, I did find it. Do you like it? |
| 04:10.21 | elijahlofgren | nozzle: I use knotes for todo's |
| 04:10.22 | pipeline | nozzle: Indeed I do. |
| 04:10.32 | pipeline | nozzle: And yes, tomboy on stable isn't going to fly, I don't think. |
| 04:10.38 | nn- | nozzle: try usemod-wiki if you are looking for a lightweight wiki engine, it's the predecessor of media wiki |
| 04:10.53 | pipeline | nozzle: Actually, maybe it will. You can get a complete Mono for stable pretty easily, and that should take care of 99% of tomboy's dependencies... |
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| 04:11.04 | nozzle | pipeline: emacs -> wiki? Is that specific for a certain wiki? |
| 04:11.04 | sam_ | is there something wrong with dpkg (the bot)? |
| 04:11.25 | Azar | sam_ dpkg gets sick sometimes |
| 04:11.34 | sam_ | ok :) |
| 04:11.37 | pipeline | nozzle: heh, I think it just dumps HTML. You're intended to actually use it from inside emacs :P |
| 04:11.49 | sam_ | anyone know anything about installing rubygems on testing? is there a real package for it? |
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| 04:14.37 | Azar | sam_, Google knows: http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/RailsOnDebianStable/versions/47 |
| 04:14.52 | Azar | oh testing |
| 04:15.25 | sam_ | oh |
| 04:15.26 | sam_ | duh |
| 04:15.35 | sam_ | is gems part of rails? |
| 04:15.48 | sam_ | no, it's sort of the other way around, isn't it? |
| 04:16.16 | pollywog | wjat is tomboy? |
| 04:16.24 | pollywog | what* |
| 04:16.36 | elijahlofgren | pollywog: Notetaking program. |
| 04:16.39 | gravity | sam_: gems is a way of distributing ruby things, sorta like .debs |
| 04:16.42 | pollywog | oic |
| 04:16.53 | gravity | sam_: The RoR people distribute rails using gems |
| 04:16.59 | yetistomps | how do I start KDE instead of gnome? |
| 04:17.18 | elijahlofgren | yetistomps: From KDM or GDM choose session type of KDE. |
| 04:17.31 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, ok |
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| 04:18.44 | pipeline | sam_: gems are like a really horrible version of CPAN |
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| 04:20.08 | powder | hi, can someone help me to install rar support and msttcorefonts please? :) |
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| 04:20.42 | zeeble | powder: apt-cache search unrar |
| 04:20.46 | p3rti | hi |
| 04:21.05 | elijahlofgren | powder: Sure can. You need to enable contrib and non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:21.49 | p3rti | i have a little problem with autofs... i install and configure it to automount my cdrom, but when i'm looking on cdrom i dont see anything. like the cdrom drive it's not mounnted. |
| 04:22.24 | hanasaki | why does the system try to mount an already mounted cdrom and then fail as follows? =?Unable to mount the selected volume.: |
| 04:22.24 | hanasaki | mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy |
| 04:22.24 | hanasaki | mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdc is already mounted on /media/cdrom0 |
| 04:22.33 | powder | zeeble, the only result of the search is "comix", a comic book viewer.. :-/ |
| 04:22.41 | karrot-x | is there a way to show what filesystem a partition is? |
| 04:22.49 | karrot-x | i'm looking for a single line command |
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| 04:23.02 | sam_ | karrot-x: mount (if partition is mounted) |
| 04:23.07 | zeeble | powder: as elijahlofgren said, please enable contrib and non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update |
| 04:23.11 | p3rti | hanasaki, are you talking with me? |
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| 04:23.27 | hanasaki | p3rti: you or anyoen that can help or try to help please |
| 04:23.28 | karrot-x | sam_: the partition isnt mounted, trying to figure out what fs it is |
| 04:23.35 | powder | oops, sorry i missed that |
| 04:23.46 | sam_ | karrot-x: fdisk -l /dev/<disk> (if the partition type flag is to be believed) |
| 04:23.51 | hanasaki | p3rti: lol you have a diff issue w/ the cdrom |
| 04:24.00 | p3rti | hanasaki, yes... |
| 04:24.08 | p3rti | i'm talking about autofs |
| 04:24.08 | hanasaki | p3rti: what is in your df output for the cdrom |
| 04:24.25 | hanasaki | p3rti: lol i took it out of my autofs and let gnome do it and pmount |
| 04:24.27 | p3rti | no its like the cdrom its not mounted.. |
| 04:24.33 | yetistomps | how do i apt-get the control panel extras in KDE 3.5? for example samba and FIle sharing??I have samba installed. |
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| 04:24.50 | zeeble | maybe, kde-network? |
| 04:25.06 | elijahlofgren | powder: here's how. Open /etc/apt/sources.list and find a line like this: "deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main" add "contrib non-free" to the end of that line. |
| 04:25.06 | hanasaki | p3rti: cdrom -fstype=auto,rw,group :/dev/cdrom |
| 04:25.06 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.15 | p3rti | wait.. |
| 04:25.25 | hanasaki | p3rti: well i commented it out |
| 04:25.26 | hanasaki | lol |
| 04:25.36 | hanasaki | i may not be the best to help you |
| 04:25.40 | Azar | sam_ I found it for testing/unstable |
| 04:25.40 | hanasaki | mine dont work either |
| 04:26.15 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, shall i do that too? to find KDE 3.5 Control Panel samba and File sharing modules? |
| 04:26.33 | sam_ | Azar: wow, where? |
| 04:26.35 | p3rti | my auto.cdrom it's like this |
| 04:26.37 | p3rti | cdrom -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/cdrom |
| 04:26.40 | powder | elijahlofgren, thanks so much, worked perfectly ;) |
| 04:26.42 | p3rti | hanasaki, cdrom -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/cdrom |
| 04:26.58 | elijahlofgren | powder: You're welcome. Glad I could help. |
| 04:27.20 | p3rti | and rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Mar 19 17:57 /dev/cdrom -> hdc |
| 04:27.31 | Azar | http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/RailsOnUbuntuDebianTestingAndUnstable << sam_ |
| 04:27.40 | yetistomps | i reckon i am the only one to use KDE 3.5. |
| 04:27.46 | sam_ | thanks :) |
| 04:28.18 | yetistomps | The reason i am asking for these modules is so that I can configure samba with users and passwords and shares... and also File sharing (what drives are goingto be share locally) |
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| 04:28.37 | unix_infidel | http://www.cybersalt.org/cl_images/z9/dogs/dogpuppylaptop.jpg |
| 04:28.51 | elijahlofgren | yetistomps: I'm not sure. I use KDE 3.5 but I haven't tried getting the file shareing Kcontorl modules. I'll have a look around. |
| 04:29.06 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, what about samba? |
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| 04:29.12 | Azar | sam_ I also found "Perfect Install.." but I guess would be for Stable |
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| 04:29.34 | sam_ | i'm not worried, if something doesn't work, i'll do it outside the dpkg system |
| 04:29.48 | sam_ | it's not like i need to reproduce this setup any time soon |
| 04:29.54 | elijahlofgren | I haven't needed to install any samba stuff either since I only browse shares not host them. |
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| 04:29.59 | Azar | http://brainspl.at/rails_stack.html |
| 04:30.15 | sam_ | but thanks |
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| 04:30.36 | sam_ | (haven't you learned that people in #debian aren't supposed to be nice?) |
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| 04:31.00 | zeeble | Grr.... wish laptop hard disks spun faster... |
| 04:31.02 | elijahlofgren | yetistomps: I think I found what you want: "kdenetwork-filesharing" - network filesharing configuration module for KDE |
| 04:31.27 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, how did u find it? so i can search the modules myself next time? :-) |
| 04:31.34 | zeeble | :) |
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| 04:31.40 | zeeble | Wih your eyes!! |
| 04:31.40 | nozzle | another question ... |
| 04:31.41 | Erpo | Hi all. I'm running debian testing and I'd like to rip a cd to mp3s. However, I don't see any way to get sound juicer to do this. Does debian have some kind of anti-mp3 policy? If so, how do I get around the restriction? |
| 04:31.51 | Azar | sam_ here is a guy who does a howto with Etch/testing: http://howtoforge.com/tracks_ruby_on_rails |
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| 04:32.07 | nozzle | Erpo: I use grip |
| 04:32.22 | Erpo | nozzle: Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try it. |
| 04:32.28 | gravity | Erpo: You need to /msg dpkg marillat. Once you get his repo in your sources.list, install lame |
| 04:32.32 | gravity | Erpo: It should be able to do it then |
| 04:32.51 | sam_ | dpkg is sideways right now |
| 04:32.52 | Erpo | gravity: Ah, thank you. I'll try that too. |
| 04:33.08 | sam_ | http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 04:33.18 | nozzle | gravity: you'll need lame to use grip ... sorry |
| 04:33.21 | sam_ | (for lame and that sort of thing) |
| 04:33.25 | gravity | nozzle: Yes, I know |
| 04:33.28 | sam_ | or you could always use oggenc!) |
| 04:33.35 | unix_infidel | where does acpi store its values for percentage of battery left? |
| 04:33.38 | unix_infidel | for instance when i do acpi -b it shows battery percentage remaining, what script or what file stores that information? |
| 04:33.54 | elijahlofgren | I open Synaptic. Searched for kcontrol. Click on the "Dependencies" tab and changed the drop-down box to "Dependents". (Make sure you have "Show package properties in the main window" set in preferences) |
| 04:34.11 | elijahlofgren | yetistomps: ^^ |
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| 04:35.05 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, thanks elijahlofgren ... greatly appreciated |
| 04:35.11 | yetistomps | now to get nfs |
| 04:35.25 | elijahlofgren | yetistomps: You're welcome. Always glad to help. |
| 04:35.29 | nozzle | What is the most popular firewall software for debian systems? I have a home PC and I am looking for something that is easy to install and won't need a lot of fussing. Any ideas? |
| 04:35.33 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, apt-get install nfs ? |
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| 04:36.35 | zeeble | Anyone here use IBM/Lenovo's Rseries notebook? Am planning to get a R52 and not many reviews or postings on linux-laptop.net.. |
| 04:37.08 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, what is Synaptic? |
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| 04:37.15 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, i dont think i have that. |
| 04:37.30 | elijahlofgren | yetistomps: synaptic - Graphical package manager |
| 04:37.36 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, nv.. i found it.. :-) |
| 04:37.47 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, apt-get install nfs-tools? |
| 04:37.54 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, to get nfs up and running. |
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| 04:38.36 | elijahlofgren | yetistomps: For nfs server maybe one of |
| 04:38.37 | elijahlofgren | nfs-kernel-server - Kernel NFS server support |
| 04:38.38 | elijahlofgren | nfs-user-server - User space NFS server |
| 04:38.48 | elijahlofgren | yetistomps: I don't use nfs so I don't know. |
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| 04:39.54 | Aonix | Xorg isn't starting with the latest testing CD image... it talks about drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) in the log files... is it possible that everything isn't compiled by default in the kernel? :D |
| 04:40.11 | Azar | stupid question but it has been long I noticed nobody talks about modconf anymore? is there any other new tool used? |
| 04:40.31 | yetistomps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.31 | yetistomps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:40.40 | Aonix | modconf? |
| 04:40.59 | Azar | modconf was to choice back 3 years ago on Woody time |
| 04:41.05 | elijahlofgren | yetistomps: Are you running aptitude, apt-get, or some other package program? |
| 04:41.36 | Aonix | and that thing will help me figure out why Xorg isn't starting? /dev/dri/* is empty |
| 04:41.49 | hanasaki | wher is the setting in the gxine menus for setting audio to esd? its starting trying to find can't create mcop directory |
| 04:41.49 | yetistomps | elijahlofgren, synaptic.. that's it.. but let me close the other terminals and tried it again.. |
| 04:41.50 | Azar | Aonix no.... no way |
| 04:42.19 | Aonix | any hints ? do I need to compile the kernel? :D |
| 04:42.23 | sam_ | Azar: module-assistant possible |
| 04:42.26 | sam_ | possibly, i mean |
| 04:42.49 | Azar | sam_ thanks I will research that.. |
| 04:43.04 | powder | is there a way to install firefox 1.5 in debian etch? |
| 04:43.07 | Azar | Aonix: sorry I never used xorg... so I would not know |
| 04:43.21 | sam_ | powder: i usually just toss it in ~/bin/ and make a symlink |
| 04:43.32 | sam_ | (oh, and the little matter of adding ~/bin to my $PATH) |
| 04:43.57 | powder | sam_, well i'm halfway there. i got it in /opt/firefox , but i don't know how to make a symlink |
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| 04:44.34 | elijahlofgren | powder: I did it by mixing between etch and unstable. See http://www.elijahlofgren.com/debian/ for how to install a few packages from unstable and keep everthing else on testing. |
| 04:45.05 | sam_ | powder: ln -s <path/to/target> <destination> |
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| 04:45.35 | elijahlofgren | night all. I'm going to bed. |
| 04:45.38 | Stevie | I always get ln syntax backwards |
| 04:45.40 | sam_ | ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox |
| 04:45.42 | hedpe | what creates /etc/blkid.tab |
| 04:45.48 | sam_ | Stevie: i often do as well |
| 04:45.56 | sam_ | gotta think of it like mv or cp |
| 04:45.59 | Stevie | it helps me to remember it as being like cp |
| 04:46.02 | Stevie | yeah |
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| 04:46.24 | sam_ | actually i usually do the lazy thing and omit the second arg altogether |
| 04:46.33 | sam_ | cd /destdir ; ln -s whatever |
| 04:46.42 | Stevie | that works? |
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| 04:46.48 | pollywog | elijahlofgren: does etch put gnupg keyrings in /etc/apt for some reason? |
| 04:46.57 | powder | sam_, thanks it works!!! :) |
| 04:46.58 | yetistomps | Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 04:46.58 | yetistomps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:47.00 | yetistomps | ? |
| 04:47.07 | Supaplex | !repeat |
| 04:47.07 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:47.07 | sam_ | cause i usually am just wanting to put something in a different dir, not just give it a new name |
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| 04:47.21 | sam_ | dpkg lives! |
| 04:47.21 | dpkg | did you doubt that, sam_? |
| 04:47.23 | sam_ | yes! |
| 04:47.35 | Supaplex | yetistomps: try lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 04:47.41 | elijahlofgren | pollywog: Yes, it looks like it does. |
| 04:47.47 | pollywog | thanks |
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| 04:48.27 | Stevie | dpkg lives? |
| 04:48.27 | dpkg | did you doubt that, stevie? |
| 04:48.29 | Stevie | lol |
| 04:48.55 | DuncanF | how do I find the bus identifier for my video card? |
| 04:49.17 | netman1 | DuncanF:lspci |
| 04:49.19 | Azar | DuncanF: you do not need it... continue |
| 04:49.26 | DuncanF | just hit enter? |
| 04:49.29 | Azar | yes |
| 04:49.32 | curt | It took me most of the day to figure out the the phone co. doesn't really know what a gateway, broadcast or netmask is. |
| 04:49.32 | DuncanF | alright, thanks |
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| 04:50.20 | Azar | curt: I guess they do not need to know, they own the lines and have the ISP deal with the minor details |
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| 04:50.41 | yetistomps | Supaplex, it was Synaptic. Thanks :-) |
| 04:50.53 | crypto | anyone familiar with " DotGNU " ? |
| 04:51.07 | Supaplex | yetistomps: np. just try to form it in a question next time. |
| 04:51.22 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 04:51.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:51.26 | curt | Azar, If I had been more of an netwrok expert I probably could have figured it out sooner, i mean how hard could it be to set up a static ip with 5 more aliases? |
| 04:51.30 | Supaplex | !dotgnu |
| 04:52.13 | pollywog | sometimes I think the "soup nazi" works here |
| 04:52.19 | pollywog | from Seinfeld |
| 04:52.21 | pollywog | ;) |
| 04:52.44 | curt | msg dpkg dot gnu |
| 04:52.52 | curt | msg dpkg hello |
| 04:53.16 | Supaplex | curt: try a / infront of your msg :) |
| 04:53.40 | Azar | curt: if this help print it and keep it for a bathroom time read: http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/Course/index.html |
| 04:53.44 | curt | crap have I been doing this too long today |
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| 04:54.03 | grigora | anyone knows how to get GWebCaches for mutella? |
| 04:54.06 | Azar | dpkg is ill today: I guess flu |
| 04:54.29 | Supaplex | Azar: that page is 404 |
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| 04:54.45 | Erpo | Ok, now I've got sound juicer able to encode to mp3s, but now it won't rip. |
| 04:55.12 | curt | Azar, that looks pretty cool .. thanks |
| 04:55.22 | Azar | hmm http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/Course/index.htm |
| 04:55.25 | pollywog | time for Law & Order CI |
| 04:55.29 | Erpo | totem can play the audio cd in the drive, but when I click extract in sound juicer, it gives me two error messages: |
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| 04:55.31 | Azar | Supaplex: try again |
| 04:55.48 | curt | Azar, I deleted the index.htm and it worked.. |
| 04:55.56 | Azar | curt: that was my first and best course |
| 04:56.10 | Erpo | "Sound Juicer could not extract this CD. Reason: Could not open CD device for reading." and "Sound Juicer could no extract this CD. Reason: Could not seek to track" |
| 04:56.12 | Erpo | Any ideas? |
| 04:56.19 | Supaplex | Azar: interesting |
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| 04:57.10 | znucko | can't 'make xconfig'. system prompt me to get qt package. exactly which package to download to be able to 'make xconfig'? |
| 04:57.11 | curt | Azar, I should have ask you three hours ago what a /29 on a class d subnet ment :) |
| 04:57.13 | Supaplex | Erpo: cdparanoia rocks =) |
| 04:57.27 | Erpo | grrr |
| 04:57.31 | Stevie | cdparanoiaschizoid |
| 04:57.44 | Stevie | ? |
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| 04:58.02 | Azar | curt I know the pain I have struggled to understand subnetting long ago, until I got that course like 4 years ago and still re-reading sometimes |
| 04:58.51 | Supaplex | postgresql has support for cidr and inet macaddress types, as well as an armfull of functions to go along with it. |
| 04:59.20 | Azar | Gary Kessler's page explains more in detail: http://www.garykessler.net/library/subnet_masks.html |
| 04:59.28 | Supaplex | speaking of which, it's time to refactor that database of mine... |
| 04:59.59 | zenbum | how does one notify the maintainers of a broken dependency in an unstable package? |
| 04:59.59 | Azar | Supaplex, interesting |
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| 05:00.27 | deadcat | why is motd now in /var/run/motd and sym link to /etc? |
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| 05:01.06 | Supaplex | zenbum: with a bug report. |
| 05:01.24 | SimonRaven | deadcat: because it can be generated, and /etc files aren't supposed to be - FHS |
| 05:01.33 | pollywog | is there a way to configure my kernel source without actually compiling a kernel? |
| 05:01.44 | pollywog | I know there was in Xandros |
| 05:01.47 | zenbum | Supaplex: ok sorry to be such a newb, but.... how does one file a bug report? |
| 05:01.50 | Daedalus_ | deadcat: wow. that's really disturbing |
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| 05:01.58 | znucko | ?? |
| 05:02.04 | Supaplex | zenbum: bug |
| 05:02.18 | SimonRaven | reportbug |
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| 05:02.26 | SimonRaven | sudo apt-get install reportbug |
| 05:02.28 | pollywog | I guess I will have to compile the kernel |
| 05:02.42 | zenbum | SimonRaven: thanx |
| 05:02.46 | Supaplex | oh yea, I have it aliased to reportbug. |
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| 05:05.12 | yetistomps | I am trying to setup sound for the first time in Debian. I used the net installation so I am not sure if sound is enabled or not.. but I can't hear anything. |
| 05:05.25 | yetistomps | What should i install to hear movies, mp3's and oggs? |
| 05:05.38 | pollywog | mplayer is good |
| 05:05.55 | pollywog | marrilat has it |
| 05:05.57 | yetistomps | pollywog, what about enabling sound in KDE 3.5? |
| 05:06.04 | powder | is there a way to remove a symlink? |
| 05:06.15 | yetistomps | pollywog, or having sound at all.. |
| 05:06.17 | pollywog | rmove a symlink like you remove a file |
| 05:06.31 | pollywog | yetistomps: did you try alsaconf? |
| 05:06.35 | powder | ah ok |
| 05:06.58 | yetistomps | pollywog, i did a apt-get install alsa .. but let me try apt-get alsaconf |
| 05:07.12 | pollywog_ | alsaconf is in the alsa-utils package |
| 05:07.25 | duplex | yetistomps: If you installed alsa alsaconf is the configuration program for it. |
| 05:07.45 | duplex | heh I'm using OSS instead of alsa :-/ |
| 05:08.05 | yetistomps | duplex, building card database :-) |
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| 05:08.38 | duplex | My sound card's alsa driver sounded like pure shit so I tried the OSS driver and it sounded great. |
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| 05:09.15 | xoz | duplex: try alsa emulation of oss |
| 05:09.26 | znucko | i have to install 'libqt3-mt-dev' but it will remove xserver-common. wouldn't this render xfree86 useless in my system? |
| 05:09.29 | duplex | xoz: I just used the oss driver. |
| 05:09.31 | yetistomps | duplex, is there anything quicker than apt-getting mplayer to play just mp3's and ogg's? |
| 05:09.34 | duplex | xoz: And everything is fine. |
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| 05:09.52 | duplex | yetistomps: Not that I know of, mplayer is fine. xmms is good if you're running a gui. |
| 05:09.56 | xoz | duplex: how old is your comp? |
| 05:10.33 | Noboru | hi guys |
| 05:10.35 | duplex | xoz: It's pretty new. My sound card is a creative audigy 2 ZS plat pro.... the alsa driver worked, but sounded a little staticy. I remember creative saying something about use the OSS driver, so I tried that, and it worked great. |
| 05:10.40 | Noboru | can i use debian on windows ? |
| 05:10.47 | Noboru | i have 512MB ram |
| 05:11.01 | Noboru | I right now do not have a spare PC |
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| 05:11.45 | becker | Can anyone help me setup a Samba share? I am trying to make it accessable to everyone on my network, but I have some very SIMPLE questions.. |
| 05:11.47 | yetistomps | duplex, i would like mplayer without gui.. so it's just apt-get install mplayer right? |
| 05:12.08 | duplex | yetistomps: mplayer isn't in debian's repositories anymore I believe. |
| 05:12.09 | becker | for example, my guest account cannot write to the directory /home/samba -- how do I fix this |
| 05:12.17 | duplex | yetistomps: Try mp3blaster |
| 05:12.54 | gutano | yetistomps: there is "unofficial" mplayer .debs, the common source I keep finding has a mplayer-nogui build that I usually use |
| 05:14.27 | becker | or a better quesion would be, where should I put my samba share on my server? |
| 05:14.31 | becker | like what directory? |
| 05:15.13 | roler | I was just given an Epson Stylus CX4600 USB Printer... I haven't setup a printer in linux since the parallel port days... What program do I install to get it working? cups and usb printer support in the kernel? |
| 05:15.20 | Aonix | hi |
| 05:15.20 | Supaplex | becker: something relative to $HOME is good. |
| 05:15.33 | Aonix | how come I cannot use gpm and the mouse in X at the same time? |
| 05:15.38 | gutano | becker: well... if it's writable, /var might be a good place... I usually put mine in home though (not really that worried about the hax0rs) |
| 05:15.38 | litage | can/does vsftpd encrypt communications between itself and the client? i've read the vsftp docs, but they don't specifically mention this |
| 05:15.43 | powder | i downloaded the flash plugin from macromedia website, installed into firefox/plugins directory, but i have no sound in flash. anyone know how to get sound working in flash? |
| 05:16.05 | Supaplex | Aonix: you can if gpm is requested to repeat, and X picks up the repeater |
| 05:16.30 | gutano | powder: I think you need the oss component that adds /dev/dsp (if you are using alsa)... |
| 05:16.46 | pollywog | roler install the cups package |
| 05:16.56 | Aonix | Supaplex : how can I do that? |
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| 05:17.08 | pollywog | cups packages, rather |
| 05:17.18 | roler | thanks pollywog |
| 05:17.20 | powder | gutano, yes i am using alsa. is that the 'alsa-oss' package? |
| 05:17.22 | roler | installing now |
| 05:17.38 | becker | thanks all, I forgot about file permissions.. doh thinking it was something difficult |
| 05:17.46 | becker | lol |
| 05:18.16 | Marudubshinki | How can I record the boot messages? I have a laptop and I want to optimize the boot sequence (to waste less basttery life, ken?), which all the messages, error or otherwise, would help me do that. But the screen buffer only reaches back a little ways when I shift+ctrl |
| 05:18.18 | gutano | powder: alsa is an interface with the kernel, alsa-utils are utilities to aid in it's use (if I understand it right), the /dev/dsp component is a kernel (module/compile in) |
| 05:18.19 | Supaplex | Aonix: reconfigure gpm, check the man page. I'd tell you outright, but it's been ages since I had to bother. :) |
| 05:18.54 | gutano | powder: lemme see if I can find the exact option... 1 sec |
| 05:18.57 | Aonix | Supaplex : I don't know why, but I just removed the repeat config in gpm.conf and now it works both in gpm and X.... but it's still puzzling, sameconfiguration on the other computer and it works with repeat_type = ms3... but not on this machine... it doesn't work with repeat enabled... weird... |
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| 05:19.32 | powder | gutano, thanks i appreciate it :) |
| 05:20.10 | gutano | powder: I learned of the issue when trying to play some linux ported games that where released pre-alsa... |
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| 05:20.43 | Supaplex | Aonix: I use raw for the repeat type. |
| 05:20.45 | Marudubshinki | anyone know the answer to my boot question? |
| 05:21.08 | powder | gutano, yeah, this problem lead me to alsa-oss which apparently emulates oss, but i haven't tried it yet |
| 05:21.09 | gutano | Marudubshinki: dmesg |
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| 05:21.21 | Marudubshinki | gutano: that a package name or a user I should ask? |
| 05:21.28 | gutano | Marudubshinki: type it at prompt |
| 05:21.35 | Marudubshinki | ah, thanks. |
| 05:21.43 | gutano | Marudubshinki: np =D |
| 05:21.47 | Marudubshinki | (just to doublecheck- the kernel boot prompt right?) |
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| 05:22.12 | gutano | Marudubshinki: just regular terminal, or tty |
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| 05:22.27 | gutano | Marudubshinki: it lists all the standard output since boot |
| 05:22.29 | Supaplex | Marudubshinki: there's also /var/log/dmesg |
| 05:23.04 | Marudubshinki | alright. thanks eveyrone. |
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| 05:23.26 | gutano | powder: almost back in kernel config, didn't have kernel src on my laptop |
| 05:23.45 | powder | gutano, no prob :) |
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| 05:24.53 | gutano | powder: Device Drivers -> Sound -> Alsa -> OSS PCM (digital audio) API |
| 05:25.15 | gejopaul | I am running a debian server using sendmail MTA , the problem is that when I add a new user the hostname part is not working correctly |
| 05:25.48 | gejopaul | earlier hostame is gejo , now i changed hostname to gejopaul.com |
| 05:26.14 | Stevie | errr |
| 05:26.14 | gejopaul | if I add a new user still the username is username@gejo |
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| 05:26.50 | gutano | powder: it may already exist as a module if you are using a debian-image, 'modprobe snd_pcm_oss' might suffice if you aren't compiling a custom kernel |
| 05:26.54 | gejopaul | server replied 553 5.1.8 |
| 05:27.23 | gejopaul | domain of sender address doesnot exist |
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| 05:27.59 | powder | gutano, so i should run modprobe and navigate to OSS PCM... ? |
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| 05:28.07 | beta | how do i make my bind9 daemon respond to queries from the internet? |
| 05:28.30 | gutano | powder: as root, run 'modprobe snd_pcm_oss' |
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| 05:29.06 | gejopaul | are you planning to configure bind as your cache DNS server |
| 05:29.09 | powder | ok, i'll be back if i can't get it working :) |
| 05:29.22 | beta | yes |
| 05:30.14 | gutano | I got a windows openvpn client connected to a sarge box, but I can't seem to communicate accross it (no successful ping), anyone have any idea's? |
| 05:30.15 | gejopaul | apt-get install bind9 , then test it by change /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:30.24 | gejopaul | 127.0.0.1 |
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| 05:30.49 | wamphyri | whats the initial setup command called? |
| 05:31.15 | gejopaul | beta : http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/bind/ |
| 05:32.29 | gejopaul | bata : http://pastebin.com/611894 |
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| 05:32.42 | JoCat | Ahoy again. |
| 05:32.47 | JoCat | modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.15.6 |
| 05:32.52 | JoCat | I get about 40 of these. |
| 05:32.54 | wamphyri | or is there a command i can use to help me a bit more than what man interfaces is offering? for /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 05:32.57 | yetistomps | i need help in mounting a smbfs drive ... but i get wrong type..etc.. |
| 05:32.57 | JoCat | Then a kernel panic. |
| 05:33.01 | yetistomps | any ideas? |
| 05:33.08 | yetistomps | my /etc/fstab line: |
| 05:33.14 | gejopaul | beta ; can you please check your named.conf |
| 05:33.18 | yetistomps | /mistress/twitch /twitch smbfs noauto,user,rw 0 0 |
| 05:33.24 | Stevie | JoCat: give your kernel some beta blockers? |
| 05:33.48 | JoCat | (pun?) |
| 05:33.52 | gutano | yetistomps: //mistress/twitch |
| 05:34.07 | yetistomps | gutano, err.yes.. i have two // |
| 05:34.11 | Stevie | mistress? |
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| 05:34.26 | yetistomps | gutano, just one didn't paste... |
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| 05:34.38 | yetistomps | Stevie, yes.. winxp is my mistress.. lol |
| 05:34.47 | Stevie | a harsh mistress |
| 05:34.50 | gutano | yetistomps: my winxp box is 'imsorrycomputr' |
| 05:34.54 | yetistomps | no doubt |
| 05:35.00 | Stevie | my winxp box is 'suicide' |
| 05:35.01 | yetistomps | so why cant i mount it? |
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| 05:35.13 | yetistomps | i apt-get samba and smb.conf is configured |
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| 05:35.23 | gutano | hrrrm... you got kernel support for it? |
| 05:35.28 | Stevie | you want to mount your mistress? |
| 05:35.38 | yetistomps | Stevie, hhaaha.. yeah.. |
| 05:35.44 | Stevie | Eye see. |
| 05:35.48 | yetistomps | gutano, not sure.. checking.. |
| 05:35.58 | gutano | yetistomps: it's smb_fs |
| 05:36.07 | JeffH | am I correct in thinking that the rcyncd.conf file uses the [sections] to define 'windows' into the filesytem that other systems can see? |
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| 05:37.12 | yetistomps | [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab |
| 05:37.12 | yetistomps | mount: unknown filesystem type 'smb_fs' |
| 05:37.23 | gutano | yetistomps: no no, it's a kernel option |
| 05:37.24 | Stevie | is it really smb_fs? |
| 05:37.28 | gutano | yetistomps: smbfs was right |
| 05:37.37 | Stevie | i thought it was smbfs |
| 05:37.53 | gutano | yetistomps: the module name is smb_fs |
| 05:38.04 | yetistomps | gutano, where is the kernel /usr/src ? |
| 05:38.19 | yetistomps | gutano, checking first if it ws kernel enabled. |
| 05:38.27 | gutano | yetistomps: if your not using a custom kernel, try 'modprobe smb_fs' |
| 05:38.38 | gutano | yetistomps: if you are using a customer kernel, yeah, /usr/src |
| 05:38.46 | Stevie | nodev smbfs |
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| 05:38.55 | SerajewelKS | gutano: it's smbfs, not smb_fs |
| 05:38.58 | gutano | yetistomps: s/customer/custom |
| 05:39.01 | gutano | SerajewelKS: the module? |
| 05:39.10 | SerajewelKS | gutano: yes |
| 05:39.27 | Stevie | melete@pieria:~$ locate smb_fs.ko |
| 05:39.28 | Stevie | no output |
| 05:39.33 | Stevie | melete@pieria:~$ locate smbfs.ko |
| 05:39.34 | Stevie | /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.ko |
| 05:39.34 | wamphyri | is there another place i maybe able to ask question and get noticed?? :) |
| 05:39.36 | gutano | my bad |
| 05:39.47 | yetistomps | gutano, woah! there is nothing in /usr/src |
| 05:39.53 | gutano | yetistomps: that's fine |
| 05:40.09 | gutano | yetistomps: the source is only used if you want to compile your own custom kernel |
| 05:40.26 | yetistomps | gutano, so how can I check the current kernel build if it has smb enabled or not? |
| 05:40.30 | gutano | yetistomps: just run 'modprobe smbfs' (thanks Stevie, SerajewelKS) |
| 05:40.34 | Stevie | yetistomps: modprobe smbfs |
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| 05:41.09 | gutano | yetistomps: then attempt to mount your share again |
| 05:41.17 | JeffH | anyone here use dirvish? I'm not sure how to specify the tree in my default.conf. |
| 05:41.23 | wamphyri | i'm running debian 3.1 and i was wondering what the install command was called so i can run it agian? |
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| 05:41.30 | wamphyri | again |
| 05:41.43 | gutano | I got a windows openvpn client connected to a sarge box, but I can't seem to communicate accross it (no successful ping), anyone have any idea's? |
| 05:41.53 | xoz_ | wamphyri: which part of install you want to run again? |
| 05:41.58 | hedpe | how do you set your default gateway in /etc/conf.d/net ... in /etc/conf.d/net.example it says you do 'config_eth0=("... default via x.x.x.x") , however that doesn't seem to work |
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| 05:42.06 | yetistomps | \druid:/home/yetistomps# mount /twitch/ |
| 05:42.06 | yetistomps | [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab |
| 05:42.06 | yetistomps | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //mistress/twitch, |
| 05:42.17 | xoz_ | hedpe: man interfaces |
| 05:42.46 | gutano | yetistomps: first, just get rid of that first error by adding a blank line at the end of your fstab |
| 05:42.56 | djs_2_6 | Hey, is anyone in here familiar with XEON processors? |
| 05:43.12 | wamphyri | xoz: the part that allows you to edit your ifaces and stuff.. i did the man interfaces and read it but each time i load up eth0 the firewall dumps crap onto the console and i can't do anything afterwards |
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| 05:43.43 | gutano | yetistomps: my approach would be to try the non-fstab method first |
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| 05:43.45 | gejopaul | hello stevie any idea |
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| 05:43.53 | gutano | yetistomps: try a smbclient -L //mistress |
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| 05:44.28 | yetistomps | gutano, yup.. i get a response.. the drive: twitch is being shared.. |
| 05:44.42 | xoz_ | wamphyri: base-config? |
| 05:44.56 | wamphyri | hmm |
| 05:44.57 | gutano | yetistomps: try mount -t smbfs //mistress/twitch /mnt/point |
| 05:45.06 | wamphyri | lemmi try, thank you xoz_ |
| 05:45.17 | xoz_ | wamphyri: or just edit /etc/network/interfaces ... then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 05:45.38 | yetistomps | druid:/etc# mount -t smbfs //mistress/twitch /twitch/ |
| 05:45.38 | yetistomps | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //mistress/twitch, |
| 05:45.53 | yetistomps | hmm.. |
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| 05:46.28 | xoz_ | yetistomps: smbmount //server/dir/ <mount point> |
| 05:46.35 | hedpe | I can get resolving to work setting my interface to use dhcp, however i'm trying to get it to work without dhcp and using static IP address... however my resolving will not work, my "route" output is exactly the same, my /etc/resolv.conf is exactly the same... what else am i missing? |
| 05:46.54 | yetistomps | xoz, i dont have smbmount command... how do i apt-get it? |
| 05:47.13 | wamphyri | xoz_ each time i try to edit the interfaces file i screw it up for the local lan lol |
| 05:47.18 | xoz_ | hedpe: just edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 05:48.56 | gutano | I got a windows openvpn client connected to a sarge box, but I can't seem to communicate accross it (no successful ping), anyone have any idea's? |
| 05:49.03 | gejopaul | hedpe:Did you install any dns server |
| 05:49.31 | hedpe | gejopaul: nevermind, it works :) |
| 05:49.49 | gejopaul | hedpe:ok |
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| 05:53.49 | yetistomps | any ideas how to apt-get smbmount ? |
| 05:54.23 | gutano | yetistomps: *shrug* |
| 05:54.32 | gutano | yetistomps: I don't have it either |
| 05:55.01 | gutano | yetistomps: the errors seem to focus on filesystem incompatibility |
| 05:55.24 | yetistomps | gutano, hmm.. but hold up.. where is the kernel build ? |
| 05:55.28 | gutano | yetistomps: does 'lsmod | grep smbfs' show the module correctly |
| 05:55.45 | gutano | yetistomps: your kernel most likely resides in /boot |
| 05:56.03 | yetistomps | druid:/home/yetistomps# lsmod | grep smbfs |
| 05:56.03 | yetistomps | smbfs 57592 0 |
| 05:56.14 | gutano | yetistomps: hrrrm... |
| 05:56.52 | yetistomps | odd isn't it? |
| 05:57.01 | gutano | yetistomps: I'm out of idea's atm, but I'll say something if I think of anything =/ |
| 05:57.07 | yetistomps | k |
| 05:57.26 | gutano | yetistomps: give google a try, see what other ppl had to do |
| 05:57.45 | hedpe | whenever i try to start xterm i get "get_pty: not enough ptys" ... any ideas? |
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| 05:58.46 | yetistomps | gutano, one last question: i originally had debian setup my comp as dhcp... but i know my static IP addy, gateway and DNS info.. where or what command do I use to modify this? |
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| 05:59.50 | gutano | yetistomps: hrrrm.... I think it may have recently changed, but on sarge, it's in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 06:00.15 | unfo | hi all. OT question, sorry. do average mailing lists generally allow me to post to list using news.gmane.org and slrn? |
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| 06:00.22 | gutano | auto eth0 inet static |
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| 06:00.30 | gutano | <tab>address 10.10.10.1 |
| 06:00.38 | gutano | <tab>netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 06:00.42 | yetistomps | woah |
| 06:00.51 | gutano | I didn't do it |
| 06:01.05 | yetistomps | what about dns? |
| 06:01.05 | gutano | I got a windows openvpn client connected to a sarge box, but I can't seem to communicate accross it (no successful ping), anyone have any idea's? |
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| 06:01.40 | gutano | yetistomps: =O haha, 1 sec, my only static is on an internal device without dns needs |
| 06:02.11 | gutano | yetistomps: oh yeah |
| 06:02.15 | gutano | yetistomps: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:02.21 | gutano | yetistomps: 1 per line |
| 06:02.27 | yetistomps | k |
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| 06:02.30 | yetistomps | thks |
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| 06:03.43 | yetistomps | how do I restart samba? |
| 06:03.51 | yetistomps | /etc/rc1.d ? |
| 06:04.11 | unfo | yetistomps: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 06:04.17 | unfo | yetistomps: you must be root tho. |
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| 06:05.17 | JoCat | Rebuilt the kernel again and I'm still getting modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.15.6/modules.dep |
| 06:05.32 | JoCat | But that file _does_ exist! |
| 06:05.36 | yetistomps | Hmm.. i don't get it.. winxp sees my debian box.. but can't see my shared folders... |
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| 06:06.34 | unfo | yetistomps: run smbtree |
| 06:06.50 | hedpe | "mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts" ... how can i modify this and add it to /etc/fstab so it is mounted everytime i boot |
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| 06:07.19 | gutano | JoCat: did you reboot after rebuild? |
| 06:07.20 | unfo | yetistomps: although maybe you need to run it from some other machine than the samba server. |
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| 06:08.52 | xoz_ | hedpe: devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=4,mode=620 0 0 |
| 06:09.05 | JoCat | Aye. I rebooted after rebuild. |
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| 06:09.23 | hedpe | xoz_: thanks |
| 06:09.27 | yetistomps | darn he left |
| 06:09.54 | JoCat | Build kernel stuff/modules/image. Install files. Configure grub. Reboot. |
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| 06:10.08 | Agentj87 | hi all |
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| 06:10.13 | JoCat | Ahoy. |
| 06:10.34 | Agentj87 | this might be a bit out of the blue, but how do i host music or a video file from debian |
| 06:10.40 | gutano | JoCat: make install_modules? |
| 06:10.45 | JoCat | Yes. |
| 06:10.46 | Agentj87 | meaning for music on a site as background etc |
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| 06:11.14 | gutano | JoCat: you try hitting the monitor yet? |
| 06:11.17 | yetistomps | woah! i added a user in KDE 3.5 samba kcontrol and then it just disappeared. |
| 06:11.21 | JoCat | gutano: A lot. |
| 06:11.28 | JoCat | I tried swearing, too. |
| 06:11.37 | yetistomps | how do I tell samba (in a terminal) how to add a user? |
| 06:11.41 | JoCat | I might not be swearing enough. |
| 06:11.52 | gutano | yetistomps: smbpasswd -a <user> |
| 06:12.59 | gutano | JoCat: you could try using the debian kernel package maker |
| 06:13.02 | JoCat | make deps; make clean; make bzImage; make modules; make modules_install; mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.6.15.6; (copy and link all that stuff); edit /boot/grub/menu.lst; shutdown -r now |
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| 06:14.34 | JoCat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:20.48 | TelCon | evening |
| 06:20.59 | JoCat | Night. |
| 06:21.07 | TelCon | need some help with a kernel recompile, just added a GB of mem to my box. ive search around google and not 100% sure what todo |
| 06:21.26 | TelCon | but every think i read is basicly for upgrading the kernel |
| 06:21.27 | JoCat | I think everyone's gone to bed. |
| 06:21.31 | jm_ | you're not using Debian kernels? |
| 06:21.41 | TelCon | just want to rebuild the one i have with highmem support |
| 06:21.57 | menko | hi people, I downloaded a testing netinstall cd, and I was told earlier that I can get it to get packages from the unstable cds which I downloaded yesterday(which won't install) |
| 06:22.05 | menko | so how do I get it to do that? |
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| 06:23.33 | Tallu | menko: add them to the apt sources. but i would not recommend installing unstable if you are not familiar at all with debian |
| 06:23.36 | mansu | hi all |
| 06:24.33 | menko | Tallu: I haven't even started the installer yet, so should I do that after it's downloaded the base system? |
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| 06:24.55 | menko | (well actually I did start it but when it started dling I stopped |
| 06:25.10 | jm_ | netinstall CD contains the base |
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| 06:25.32 | Tallu | Snake-Eyes: menko. |
| 06:25.34 | JoCat | Aye karumba. I've never seen this module problem before in my entire life. |
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| 06:25.44 | menko | ok, I thought it was downloading packages, I guess I'll try again |
| 06:26.12 | JoCat | The system is just _not_ seeing the files in /lib/modules/ |
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| 06:26.29 | jm_ | it might download them if your base is outdated |
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| 06:26.47 | JoCat | They exist and are almost identical in structure to the other kernels, so why won't this new one boot? |
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| 06:27.09 | neuterspay | An error has occurred. See the log file /usr/lib/eclipse/configuration/1142835480294.log. \\Eclipse Java error, anybody know what's up? :( |
| 06:27.11 | Jeeves_Moss | all: good evining all |
| 06:27.13 | Supaplex | because its special |
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| 06:27.30 | neuterspay | Evening, Jeeves. |
| 06:27.51 | Jeeves_Moss | nuterspray: Wow, your the ONLY one who has EVER responded to my entry. |
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| 06:28.36 | neuterspay | Jeeves_Moss; Really? Damn. Well then I wish you an extra good evening. |
| 06:28.55 | lyy | anyone know a process on how to burn a data dvd? |
| 06:29.11 | jm_ | lyy: yes, many people know |
| 06:29.27 | Jeeves_Moss | nuterspray: quick queston for you thats slightly off topic for this channel. Have you ever played around with any products from RouterBoard.com? |
| 06:29.27 | lyy | jm_: care to point me to a webpage or hold my hand through a simple session? |
| 06:29.35 | Jeeves_Moss | lyy: K3B works well |
| 06:29.40 | neuterspay | Jeeves_Moss; Nope, how come? |
| 06:29.48 | Tallu | Jeeves_Moss: hi there. :) |
| 06:29.50 | lyy | Jeeves_Moss: i tried that, but that dvd doesn't work on windows |
| 06:29.59 | gutano | done with vpn for tonight, lol... one of my scripts killed my ssh |
| 06:30.03 | jm_ | lyy: are you using KDE? in that case use k3b, but if you want to use CLI tools, like me, then simply install dvd+rw-tools |
| 06:30.26 | neuterspay | Jeeves_Moss; How popular you are tonight, no???! |
| 06:30.26 | lyy | jm_: what's the package name? i'll yum it |
| 06:30.37 | jm_ | lyy: I already told you the package name |
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| 06:30.53 | lyy | it's actually called dvd+rw-tools? interesting |
| 06:30.57 | jm_ | yes |
| 06:31.20 | lyy | let's see if it's in my repos |
| 06:31.42 | lyy | nope |
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| 06:32.33 | gutano | lyy: the -'s have problems when searching for them |
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| 06:33.28 | gutano | lyy: I should say, anything with a - in it is goofy to search for (if your using aptitude anyhow) |
| 06:33.36 | lyy | gutano: thanks. i'll try it in quotes |
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| 06:34.09 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | neuterspay: sorry, got hoofed |
| 06:34.18 | Tallu | welcome back, jeeves |
| 06:34.59 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | Tallu: Thanks. Would you like to get in on this topic? |
| 06:35.20 | TelCon | hmm does the standard debian install support 2GB/64GB mem ? |
| 06:35.22 | neuterspay | rm -rf /usr/lib/eclipse |
| 06:35.23 | neuterspay | oops |
| 06:35.24 | neuterspay | I mean |
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| 06:35.31 | TelCon | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 06:35.34 | TelCon | CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y |
| 06:35.38 | Tallu | Unfortunately I'm running to work in just a bit |
| 06:35.40 | neuterspay | jeeves; I'm out of the topic, sorry ~ too much to do. |
| 06:35.45 | neuterspay | Trying to work on this at the moment. |
| 06:35.48 | jm_ | TelCon: as you can see it does |
| 06:36.01 | TelCon | yea figured that |
| 06:36.18 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | Tallu, neuterspay: ok, nm. |
| 06:36.41 | Tallu | I'm already running late, haha |
| 06:36.49 | Tallu | But then again, I do every morning. |
| 06:36.55 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | Tallu: then what are you doing still in here? LOL |
| 06:37.04 | lyy | wow, burning data dvd is so slow. |
| 06:37.08 | Tallu | Yeah that's a good question.. maybe I should get dressed |
| 06:37.09 | lyy | something is wrong |
| 06:37.24 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | Tallu: depends if the wife is dressed or not. |
| 06:37.35 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | lyy: sounds like you have some bus tweeking to do |
| 06:38.44 | Tallu | jeeves_Moss_Kick: you've got a point there, mate. |
| 06:39.05 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | Tallu: that was allways MY deciding factor if I got out of bed. a 20 y-old natural blonde fiance. |
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| 06:40.28 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | neuterspay: looks like this product is Debian baised |
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| 06:43.18 | weasel00 | jeeves_Moss_Kick : hahaha |
| 06:43.49 | neuterspay | (01:42:34) jeeves_Moss_Kick: neuterspay: looks like this product is Debian baised ? |
| 06:43.55 | neuterspay | I have no clue what you're talking about, bro. |
| 06:44.09 | neuterspay | Is there any good way to install Sun Java once I've already got blackdown? |
| 06:44.11 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | neuterspay: www.routerboard.com |
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| 06:44.38 | jm_ | neuterspay: you install the way dpkg tells you, read the topic |
| 06:44.41 | lyy | jeeves_Moss_Kick: i was writing at .31x speed |
| 06:45.02 | lyy | jeeves_Moss_Kick: now i'm writing at 8x speed |
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| 06:45.54 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | lyy: what did you change? |
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| 06:47.17 | neuterspay | I really don't care about this, jeeves_moss_kick ... sorry. |
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| 06:48.40 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | neuterspay: np. |
| 06:48.47 | jeeves_Moss_Kick | lyy: what did you do to up the speed? |
| 06:50.16 | karma | looking for some pointers on qpopper. I have sendmail up and running and then noticed that qpopper was already installed and running. I am able to get my mail but get errors when trying to send... and pointers? |
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| 06:52.15 | karma | I am getting errors in outlook... i see qpopper in the logs when i get mail, but i do not see anythign in the logs when i try and send mail |
| 06:52.20 | Supaplex | my virtual terminals are all foobar. They're all in that old yucky 4 cga graphic color layout, and are certinaly not intelligble. i've run /etc/init.d/console-screen.kbd.sh restart from the first virtual console, but i'm still stuck with this resolution. What else can I try? afait (from /dev/vcs1), it's in 132x60 |
| 06:57.14 | neuterspay | I've already got Blackdown Java. I want to get Sun Java. Is there any reason I'd need to uninstall Blackdown before I got Sun's package? |
| 06:57.45 | vulture | neuterspay: probably not.. install the java-package package and use make-jpkg to make a Debian package from Sun's binaries |
| 06:57.50 | vulture | install that, should be dandy |
| 06:57.56 | neuterspay | Thanks. |
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| 06:58.21 | SlayerXP | neuterspay: blackdown is pointless. |
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| 06:58.48 | neuterspay | I'm aware. |
| 06:58.52 | neuterspay | And would like to switch. :) |
| 07:00.37 | Supaplex | down with blackdown! |
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| 07:08.13 | tarzeau | d03boy: got it working now? |
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| 07:10.59 | DuncanF | hey what command would I use to launch KDE from the login console? |
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| 07:11.34 | cheal | DuncanF: is KDE your default X session manager? |
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| 07:12.39 | DuncanF | cheal, I had done a fresh install with default desktop packages then removed gnome, which I had forgotten contained the default login interface |
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| 07:13.36 | cheal | DuncanF: hum anyway, try # startx /usr/bin/startkde |
| 07:13.37 | mike4479 | Anyone know where I can get floppy images of unstable unoffical debian plaese? |
| 07:14.03 | DuncanF | cheal, alright, going to try now |
| 07:14.18 | cheal | mike4479: what do you mean by unofficial debian? |
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| 07:15.10 | pollywog | what if I have two types of filesystems and I use fsck; is that going to be a problem for one of the filesystems? |
| 07:15.10 | mike4479 | cheal: I just want to get the boot.img and root.img fo the unstable release and need a URL |
| 07:15.28 | pollywog | or does fsck know what type of fs is being checked? |
| 07:15.31 | mike4479 | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/MIRRORS |
| 07:16.17 | mike4479 | I guess that just means there not official mirros right? |
| 07:16.48 | pollywog | I think there is a list of official mirrors on the debian.org site |
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| 07:17.20 | DuncanF | cheal, it starts running, screen goes black as if switching videos, then switches back and displays a bunch of error messages |
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| 07:18.24 | mike4479 | OK thanks guys I found one |
| 07:19.17 | cheal | DuncanF: OK, but I can't really help you without specific information |
| 07:19.26 | DuncanF | cheal, got it to work with just plain startx |
| 07:19.37 | pollywog | nm I found the answer to my question |
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| 07:21.58 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:21.58 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 07:25.11 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:25.11 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
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| 07:25.23 | edolly^ | hello |
| 07:25.33 | lyy | wow this chatroom seems to have more ppl then fedora. what does this mean? |
| 07:25.35 | edolly^ | can someone tell me how to gunzip mspacman.tar? |
| 07:25.50 | pollywog | I think many are sleeping |
| 07:25.52 | tarzeau | lyy: this chatroom is more cool |
| 07:25.56 | tarzeau | lyy: and debian is more cool |
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| 07:26.06 | tarzeau | lyy: and all the people in here are more cool |
| 07:26.10 | edolly^ | debian is wayyyyyyy cool |
| 07:26.11 | powder | edolly^, i believe tar -xvf mspacman.tar |
| 07:26.14 | streuner | lyy: more idlers too ;-) |
| 07:26.14 | lyy | hehe |
| 07:26.18 | lyy | lol |
| 07:26.22 | tarzeau | pollywog: damn you were talking when i went into bed, and still you're talking |
| 07:26.35 | edolly^ | i tarred mspacman, now i want to gunzip her |
| 07:26.36 | pollywog | tar xvf |
| 07:26.52 | edolly^ | make a gunzip file |
| 07:26.55 | pollywog | oh |
| 07:27.01 | pollywog | zgip filename |
| 07:27.10 | edolly^ | cool, thanks |
| 07:27.31 | DuncanF | hey what category is xchat in under debian packages? |
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| 07:28.16 | pollywog | I do not have it installed on this machine |
| 07:28.33 | pollywog | so I can't check |
| 07:29.07 | nn | where can i download the ext2fsck source? |
| 07:29.35 | pollywog | it is in the net section |
| 07:29.39 | pollywog | DuncanF: |
| 07:29.45 | pollywog | net section |
| 07:29.46 | DuncanF | thanks |
| 07:29.54 | powder | man, moving from ubuntu to debian, either debian is turbo charged or ubuntu is one slowwww mover |
| 07:30.29 | jm_ | nn: Debian mirrors obviously |
| 07:30.52 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 07:30.53 | dpkg | Fedora rox0rz! |
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| 07:31.19 | pollywog_ | tarzeau: now I am going to bed |
| 07:31.26 | pollywog_ | your turn to talk ;) |
| 07:32.47 | tarzeau | pollywog_: good night |
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| 07:35.11 | rock_style | good morning |
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| 07:36.55 | rock_style | i m sorry be bored but im linux newbie and i have here one litle problems install apache php i have everything working but ... when i clik in the test.php the browser send to me the file and not the code to test the php |
| 07:37.02 | rock_style | someone knows why this is happend ? |
| 07:37.17 | DuncanF | are there packages that would allow to me access my NTFS partition? |
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| 07:38.08 | powder | DuncanF, you have to mount it |
| 07:38.20 | rock_style | DuncanF yes you can ... for shure just don know how i think you need to go to the root |
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| 07:39.26 | `ns` | DuncanF, You should be able to mount it and read it, but unless I missed something lately, best to mount read only |
| 07:39.42 | SimonRaven | rock_style: yes. and the httpd.conf shows you how - in the comments |
| 07:40.46 | DuncanF | bit new with using linux, any documentation on how to mount drives? |
| 07:40.46 | rock_style | SimonRaven i alllready be there ... don see anything :x gona try to check it again thanks |
| 07:41.23 | `ns` | DuncanF, man mount or try google .... |
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| 07:41.25 | SimonRaven | rock_style: apache2 it's less obvious, since i think they got removed, mostly. but it's pretty simple |
| 07:41.28 | jm_ | DuncanF: any newbie guide will cover that |
| 07:42.06 | rock_style | SimonRaven so ... i install the php module manually is that? |
| 07:42.50 | SimonRaven | i didn't say that |
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| 07:43.53 | rock_style | because the only thing i see in httpd.conf file is one single line to enable one module that is not php module lol |
| 07:44.15 | SimonRaven | but yes, you do need to install the apache module. then you can play with the cgi once you get the hang of it, and understand the implications |
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| 07:44.24 | DuncanF | alright thanks guys |
| 07:44.51 | rock_style | SimonRaven i allready download the php4 stable from synaptic and nathing that why i asking :x |
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| 07:46.00 | rock_style | i bealiver i install bether the manualy |
| 07:46.04 | pmallapp | Hi all |
| 07:46.14 | rock_style | sad im new on linux lol |
| 07:46.35 | rock_style | and fear make it roung lol |
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| 07:46.45 | pmallapp | There is no package named libgnomeprint_2.2 in the dvd .. this package was last seen in 10 Nov 2005 dvd image. |
| 07:46.56 | rock_style | ok im sorry thanks :p |
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| 07:47.08 | pmallapp | by the way i am refering to amd64 etch dvd generated weekly |
| 07:47.54 | oskie | how long is 'openssl dhparam -out dh2048.pem 2048' supposed to take? |
| 07:49.10 | rock_style | do you guys look the looking glass from the sun the new desktop ? :x is complectly extrem .... :x |
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| 07:50.05 | jmd | What's happened to the texinfo for autoconf? |
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| 07:51.51 | oskie | jmd: autoconf-doc? |
| 07:54.02 | jmd | oskie, Doesn't seem to have that package in testing. |
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| 07:58.03 | DuncanF | well switched over to xchat on my new debian isntall :) shut down the other computer |
| 07:58.06 | rock_style | SimonRaven lol is working i allready catch what is the problem lol |
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| 07:58.24 | neuterspay | xchat uhhh. |
| 07:58.26 | neuterspay | :( |
| 07:58.43 | rock_style | SimonRaven i catch the php4 to apache 2 and sen to me the module to old apache lol |
| 07:58.48 | DuncanF | haha what? :P |
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| 07:59.02 | neuterspay | xchat is nasty. |
| 07:59.04 | concept10 | i have a problem. sometimes my cd rom on my laptop is just accessing (the light is flashing).. with no disc in there. When I try to play a CD rom, it will not access without a reboot? How do I begin to solve this? Unmount it? |
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| 07:59.40 | DuncanF | works fine for me, what do you use? |
| 07:59.48 | neuterspay | bitchx or gaim. |
| 07:59.56 | neuterspay | Depending on what kind of mood I'm in and what I'm already doing. |
| 07:59.56 | syntrx | ? |
| 08:00.03 | neuterspay | I tried xchat... |
| 08:00.06 | neuterspay | Kind of grossed me out. |
| 08:00.09 | neuterspay | That's just me. |
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| 08:00.36 | neuterspay | The only thing it's got over anything else is the clean UI and how it deals with scripts IMO |
| 08:00.57 | neuterspay | What the fuck. |
| 08:01.09 | neuterspay | I just downloaded Sun Java SDK... |
| 08:01.13 | neuterspay | Installed it over my blackdown. |
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| 08:02.32 | neuterspay | And java -version shows me some "1.4.2-03" and tells me that I'm with blackdown. |
| 08:02.36 | rock_style | !packages |
| 08:02.36 | dpkg | hmm... packages is a file you can parse with grep-dctrl, or apt-get install auto-apt, auto-apt update, auto-apt search <the_file_you_want> |
| 08:02.39 | neuterspay | Anybody know how to fully remove blackdown? |
| 08:02.43 | unstable | Bitchx and gaim both suck. |
| 08:02.48 | unstable | irssi/naim > * |
| 08:02.53 | rock_style | !repositories unstable |
| 08:02.56 | unstable | !start a window manager war |
| 08:02.56 | dpkg | CDE blows! |
| 08:03.42 | DuncanF | ugh my mouse buttons are acting funny |
| 08:04.07 | neuterspay | My mouse is never humorous. |
| 08:04.16 | neuterspay | Does anybody know how to completely remove blackdown from my system? |
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| 08:05.28 | DuncanF | hmm, the packaged firefox is 1.04>.> Definately upgrading that |
| 08:05.31 | dimir | Format the drive! |
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| 08:06.15 | jm_ | DuncanF: it's 1.0.7 |
| 08:07.05 | DuncanF | jm_ just did help about, and it's saying 1.0.4 |
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| 08:08.21 | jm_ | DuncanF: is it 1.0.4-*sarge* release? |
| 08:08.37 | DuncanF | yeah |
| 08:08.52 | jm_ | then it's essentialyl 1.0.7, but it says 1.0.4 |
| 08:09.18 | DuncanF | alright, well eather way I think i'll upgrade it to 1.5 |
| 08:09.20 | jm_ | you have 1.5 on backports |
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| 08:10.18 | DuncanF | hmm? sorry I'm a bit new to linux, especially debian |
| 08:10.32 | jm_ | !tell DuncanF about backports |
| 08:10.41 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 08:10.41 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 08:13.53 | rock_style | somone here allready install looking glass in debian? |
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| 08:15.45 | fireba11 | loocking glass ? |
| 08:16.21 | neuterspay | Anybody here know how to remove blackdown java? |
| 08:16.22 | rock_style | fireba11 yes the new 3d desktop .... |
| 08:16.29 | nn | bloatware... |
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| 08:16.34 | rock_style | from sun systtems can be used in linux to |
| 08:16.47 | rock_style | is one desktop like gnome but is allll in 3 d impressionating |
| 08:16.51 | `ns` | DuncanF, quick dirty way to install Firefox 1.5 , edit sources.list , change one of your sources from stable or testing over to unstable, apt-get update , apt-get install firefox ... then change your sources.list back to whatever it was before. I know it works with testing, just did it yesterday. |
| 08:17.09 | jm_ | DuncanF: don't do what `ns` told you, it's stupid |
| 08:17.13 | rock_style | http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/ |
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| 08:17.34 | rock_style | fireba11 check it the desktop is all in 3d ... and there are to linux to ... |
| 08:17.56 | Clackwell | neuterspay: consider using an operating system that doesn't give you such a hard time about removing a simple piece of software. |
| 08:18.04 | `ns` | it works, jm_ , what more do you want ? |
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| 08:18.11 | nn | Clackwell: which one do you suggest? |
| 08:18.23 | DuncanF | oh? what about just doing a general linux install from the mozilla website? |
| 08:18.32 | Clackwell | nn: any that doesn't give him a hard time. i don't know which one that would be, since i don't know him. |
| 08:18.41 | `ns` | DuncanF, that works too ... |
| 08:18.44 | jm_ | DuncanF: get the one from backports |
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| 08:19.04 | `ns` | DuncanF, but the package manager doesn't have the info |
| 08:19.07 | nn | Clackwell: what a diplomatic answer.. |
| 08:19.18 | Clackwell | neuterspay: you don't need to remove any of the open source java junk. it is enough to put the sun java bin folder in PATH prior to the junk. of course removing the junk from PATH works just as well, but it may be back if done without the package management system. |
| 08:20.10 | Clackwell | nn: i am not here to advocate a specific os. i am here to give him a wake up call. he's has a deadline and messes with an operating system that he can't handle. it happens painfully often over the last few months. |
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| 08:20.38 | neuterspay | Clackwell; I tried installing Sun Java over Blackdown, left me with the same blackdown, no difference. What do you suggest I do to get Sun JRE? I just need to get Eclipse IDE working -- got a Java project due at 9a. |
| 08:20.44 | neuterspay | It's 3.22a now. |
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| 08:20.52 | afv-13 | if i have nothing in my inetd, can i stop the daemon? |
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| 08:21.09 | afv-13 | or is there something else it provides that i need |
| 08:21.12 | Clackwell | neuterspay: i don't understand what you mean by "installing sun java over blackdown". |
| 08:21.46 | Clackwell | neuterspay: this is how you install sun java when you don't need the integration in the package management system of your operating system (if any): http://javafaq.mine.nu/lookup?67 |
| 08:21.54 | nvz | he means hes too simple to remove something before he installs it again |
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| 08:22.16 | nn | Clackwell: the problem of install programs spreading bs all over your hd is not os-specific .. |
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| 08:22.24 | Clackwell | neuterspay: if you go that route, the PATH bit i mentioned before is absolutely necessary to take care of, else you may end up calling the open source stuff that the distro packages so nicely as a java fake. |
| 08:22.51 | nn | nvz: it's rather related to retarded software developers |
| 08:22.53 | neuterspay | Well, don't know how to remove it because blackdown wasn't installed from a package manager. |
| 08:22.58 | Clackwell | nn: the sun java installer does not do that. on linux you should not run it as root, then it won't install any libs that i hear it does copy some place. |
| 08:23.04 | neuterspay | Clackwell; I don't understand what you're saying about PATH. |
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| 08:23.17 | Clackwell | neuterspay: do you know what PATH is? |
| 08:23.34 | neuterspay | No. |
| 08:23.34 | nn | Clackwell: the question is whether you can remove all installed files with one commandline, if you can't - it's bs |
| 08:23.45 | pengol | hi there ... is there a way to prevent the kernel from loading a given module? |
| 08:24.04 | nvz | nn: when you work with the handicapped you have to take certain precautiouns |
| 08:24.07 | Clackwell | neuterspay: ok. the url i posted has a few bits about it and a link to more indepth information. and i am sure the people in this channel have a few links explaining it too, since it is such a frequent issue with linux newbies. |
| 08:24.15 | neuterspay | Alright thanks. |
| 08:24.18 | nn | pengol: what about chmod a-r <module>.ko ? |
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| 08:25.17 | Clackwell | nn: you can in case of sun java (when run as non root on linux). |
| 08:25.44 | Clackwell | nn: do you know of any urls explaining PATH for linux newbies? |
| 08:26.17 | neuterspay | Clackwell; Just visited your link... I'm not sure if you understand~ though you may very well and I'm just being an idiot... I've got Blackdown Java Installed. I use my JRE often and have been using Blackdown successuflly (though I'm not a big fan of it) for a little over a month now. Problem is, I want Sun Java because it'll clear up some issues that I have with Eclipse JAVA IDE. |
| 08:26.41 | nn | Clackwell: man bash |
| 08:27.29 | nn | Clackwell: what many people usually want to do is "export PATH=$PATH:/foo" |
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| 08:27.49 | Clackwell | neuterspay: yes. and you don't need to remove the blackdown stuff. all you need to do is configure your PATH environment variable properly (and/or remove what should not be in the folders listed in the PATH environment variable). |
| 08:28.29 | Clackwell | neuterspay: all you need to do is put the sun java sdk/jre bin folder in the PATH first or prior to the fake stuff ("java" and "javac" are often fake java versions these days, sadly). |
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| 08:28.44 | lyy | is there a command to split files up into smaller chunks? |
| 08:28.54 | streuner | split? |
| 08:28.59 | lyy | ie, i got a file that is 3gigs |
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| 08:29.13 | lyy | and i need to split them into pieces so i can burn them onto cds |
| 08:29.16 | Clackwell | neuterspay: as the second url at the url i posted explains, linux/unix/windows uses the PATH to find binaries for execution on a first come, first served order. |
| 08:29.17 | streuner | rar |
| 08:29.32 | streuner | lyy: check out rar |
| 08:29.35 | nn | lyy: head and tail are great for text files |
| 08:29.36 | lyy | ok |
| 08:29.45 | Supaplex | My second video card is reporting "invalid memory allocation" from X; http://rafb.net/paste/results/SredWx55.html This in turn causes the card to have no reported memory available (it overlaps with the memory segment of the card) What causes this and how can I fix it? I'm using 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 |
| 08:29.56 | neuterspay | Clackwell; Thanks man. |
| 08:30.24 | Clackwell | neuterspay: it is a common mechanism across several operating system families, as such you should really learn it and get a good grip on it, as the knowledge will carry you right into the class path mechanism of java, too. |
| 08:30.32 | Supaplex | lyy: man split |
| 08:30.55 | pengol | nn that rode? |
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| 08:31.23 | streuner | split is for spliting large files into smaller pieces, what he need is rar, you can just use it to configure it to the exact value you need |
| 08:31.44 | streuner | and in a very easy way |
| 08:32.00 | streuner | and compression |
| 08:32.15 | Clackwell | neuterspay: possibly related: http://linux.about.com/od/linux101/l/blnewbie3_1_4.htm |
| 08:32.19 | Clackwell | bye bye |
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| 08:32.30 | Supaplex | rar is nonfree :) you could do the same with tar with either gzip|bzip2 and split |
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| 08:33.12 | streuner | Supaplex: not version 2 |
| 08:33.20 | DuncanF | do I need to edit sources through root? |
| 08:33.23 | streuner | version 3 is non-free |
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| 08:33.55 | mr_claus | is hunspell the default dict with openoffice and debian etch? |
| 08:34.07 | mr_claus | or should i use myspell? |
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| 08:34.33 | nn | pengol: how can I help you? |
| 08:35.45 | pengol | nn: I meant. the way to prevent kernel from loading the driver was a bit "rude" |
| 08:35.46 | pengol | :) |
| 08:36.04 | pengol | nn: there is no conf file for that? |
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| 08:36.35 | nn | pengol: I don't think there is a more sophisticated way to prevent the kernel from loading a modules that's properly installed |
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| 08:37.30 | pengol | nn: I see. Thanks |
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| 08:38.03 | DuncanF | is there a way to log into root without logging out entirely? |
| 08:38.10 | nn | DuncanF: su |
| 08:38.24 | slinn | DuncanF: sudo as well |
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| 08:40.00 | pornostar | !seen a |
| 08:40.01 | dpkg | a <~codacola@222-153-18-156.jetstream.xtra.co.nz> was last seen on IRC in channel #hug-bunny, 251d 18h 49m 38s ago, saying: '2 and onwards is the gauls being defeated'. |
| 08:40.17 | pornostar | !seen *!*@24.22.83.227 |
| 08:40.17 | dpkg | pornostar: i haven't seen '*!*@24.22.83.227' |
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| 08:40.58 | protocol1 | does anyone know of a program other than gtkwifi that I can use? |
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| 08:41.36 | sambrista | hello |
| 08:41.40 | sambrista | can anyone help me? |
| 08:41.47 | nvz | protocol1: you could use the gimp, or mozilla-firefox, or gdeskletts, or.. |
| 08:41.49 | tarzeau | sambrista: nobody can read your mind |
| 08:42.07 | streuner | sabrista: ask |
| 08:42.08 | nvz | man there are like 15,000 programs you could use |
| 08:42.21 | streuner | !ask |
| 08:42.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:42.35 | protocol1 | nvz, I was reffering to a wifi monitoring program |
| 08:42.36 | sambrista | my problem is: i'm installing debian in a laptop (IBM Thinkpad 560X) |
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| 08:42.49 | tarzeau | sambrista: and it doesn't work? |
| 08:42.52 | streuner | !laptop |
| 08:42.52 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 08:42.57 | sambrista | I have a pcmcia cd and a pcmcia network card |
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| 08:43.05 | tarzeau | sambrista: and what's the question? |
| 08:43.12 | nvz | protocol1: well your sentance was incomplete and didnt refer to that at all |
| 08:43.15 | nn_ | what package contains the ext3 fs utils? |
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| 08:43.28 | tarzeau | nn_: which ones, exactly? |
| 08:43.32 | streuner | nn_: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:43.52 | nn_ | i need fsck |
| 08:43.57 | ludwig__ | hallo! |
| 08:44.03 | nn_ | but i dont know the exact executable name |
| 08:44.08 | sambrista | well, th question is that i have managed to install debian by ftp, using the floppys (using the cd gave me errors) and now i have debian installed but with no mouse |
| 08:44.09 | nn_ | fsck.ext3? |
| 08:44.14 | ludwig__ | I have trouble with amavis/spamassassin ... |
| 08:44.27 | ludwig__ | It drops too many mails |
| 08:44.34 | sambrista | the kernel is 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 08:44.37 | nvz | protocol1: kwifimanager, maybe |
| 08:44.42 | tarzeau | nn_: e2fsck, from e2fsprogs |
| 08:44.51 | tarzeau | nn_: ext3 is just ext2 with journaling |
| 08:44.55 | protocol1 | ok.. |
| 08:45.07 | tarzeau | sambrista: x or console? |
| 08:45.17 | zly | sambrista: thinkwiki.org |
| 08:45.17 | tarzeau | sambrista: what mouse is it? |
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| 08:45.35 | ludwig__ | X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.329 tag=2 tag2=6.31 kill=6.31 \n tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=3.2, \\ RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046, \\ UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] |
| 08:45.35 | ludwig__ | X |
| 08:45.40 | nn_ | tarzeau: ok I've already compiled them |
| 08:45.44 | sambrista | i have a red tiny ball in the middle of the keyboard |
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| 08:45.48 | sambrista | and a ps2 mouse plugged |
| 08:45.51 | ludwig__ | X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.329 tag=2 tag2=6.31 kill=6.31 \n tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=3.2, \\ RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046, \\ UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] |
| 08:46.02 | ludwig__ | (\\ -> \n) |
| 08:46.14 | nvz | ludwig__: wtf are you doing? |
| 08:46.16 | SlayerXP | ludwig__: STOP THAT |
| 08:46.29 | sambrista | i modprobe mousedev |
| 08:46.33 | sambrista | and then i have x |
| 08:46.39 | sambrista | but i can't move the mouse |
| 08:46.43 | ludwig__ | nvz, explaining the problem |
| 08:46.50 | noiesmo | sambrista, a ps2 mouse is usually /dev/mouse or /dev/input/mice |
| 08:46.51 | nn_ | sambrista: that's good to hear |
| 08:47.00 | valdyn | ludwig__: why dont you read the documentation? |
| 08:47.00 | sambrista | and when i modprobe psmouse |
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| 08:47.07 | resiak | noiesmo: I think you mean /dev/psaux, but hey |
| 08:47.08 | nn_ | sambrista: try /dev/psaux in doubt |
| 08:47.13 | sambrista | it says that it can't locate that module |
| 08:47.14 | noiesmo | check your xorg or xfree config |
| 08:47.22 | nvz | ludwig__: I dont know what problem you are explaining, but do it somewhere else if it involves pasting the same shit over and over like in a pastebin |
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| 08:47.46 | valdyn | !rtfm ludwig__ |
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| 08:47.49 | noiesmo | resiak, mine is ps/2 mouse on /dev/input/mice sorry |
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| 08:48.12 | ludwig__ | nvz, oh, sorry! Did not notice to having it posted twice! |
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| 08:48.29 | sambrista | it doesn't work with /dev/mouse |
| 08:48.34 | nvz | ludwig__: you shouldnt paste in here at all unless its a link to a pastebin |
| 08:48.42 | sambrista | X works with /dev/input/mice but i cant move the mouse |
| 08:48.50 | nvz | ludwig__: it even numbers the paste lines so that its easier to discuss |
| 08:48.51 | noiesmo | sambrista, try /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 08:49.13 | valdyn | sambrista: what kind of mouse is this? |
| 08:49.15 | jm_ | sambrista: is it listed in /proc/bus/input/devices? |
| 08:49.23 | noiesmo | sambrista, maybe try another protocol |
| 08:49.32 | ludwig__ | valdyn, "RTFM" is actually not what I was looking for ... Looking for one peculiar problem in the manual is too exhaustive ... |
| 08:49.34 | tarzeau | on a sparc, what do do on this? /bin/sh: line 3: 8012 Bus error |
| 08:49.42 | sambrista | hey, i moved it with psaux |
| 08:49.48 | ludwig__ | nvz, sorry about that - where can I pastebin it? |
| 08:49.54 | resiak | noiesmo: I meant, not /dev/mouse, which doesn't exist |
| 08:50.02 | tarzeau | lilo: please can you not increase the channels/nickname limit of 20 to 30? |
| 08:50.03 | noiesmo | resiak, ok cool |
| 08:50.04 | valdyn | ludwig__: i read your paste, you _need_ to read the manual |
| 08:50.13 | sambrista | but it is so strange |
| 08:50.17 | nonix4 | ludwig__: So, mail from dialup hosts with no dns / incorrect dns setup gets dropped? What's new - that _is_ the most common source of spam anyway. |
| 08:50.19 | sambrista | when i move it |
| 08:50.24 | tarzeau | lilo: i always end up looking what channels i'm in, and leaving one, to be able to join others... |
| 08:50.41 | resiak | tarzeau: you can get the limit lifted if you ask a staffer nicely |
| 08:50.54 | sambrista | when i move it down or left |
| 08:51.04 | resiak | tarzeau: but it only gets lifted for that connection... when your connection drops you have to get them to set it again |
| 08:51.05 | sambrista | it dissapears and appears in the down left cornet |
| 08:51.07 | sambrista | corner |
| 08:51.07 | resiak | !tell sambrista -about enter |
| 08:51.23 | tarzeau | resiak: so what can i do? can the not remove the limit entirely? |
| 08:51.32 | tarzeau | resiak: or can i get it auto lifted when i register? |
| 08:51.38 | ludwig__ | nonix4, well, the mail has been relayed by the ISP |
| 08:51.41 | tarzeau | resiak: or should i ask harshly instead of nicely? |
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| 08:51.50 | resiak | tarzeau: I've told you everything I know ;) |
| 08:52.04 | tarzeau | resiak: it sucks. freenode sucks since years for this awful hilarious stupid limit |
| 08:52.11 | ludwig__ | valdyn, maybe You can give me a hint for a "good" manual? |
| 08:52.23 | valdyn | ludwig__: some countries ISPs are _not_ legally allowed to filter spam, no matter how obvious its spam ( or not spam ) |
| 08:52.26 | ludwig__ | valdyn, (there is so much out there) |
| 08:52.34 | lyy | anyone know how to make k3b burn files greater then 2gigs? |
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| 08:53.14 | ludwig__ | valdyn, it is the receiving mailserver ... |
| 08:53.15 | tarzeau | lyy: dvd? does it no just work? |
| 08:53.27 | ludwig__ | valdyn, which I have completely control of |
| 08:53.39 | nonix4 | valdyn: hmm... but are they allowed to _classify_ it as spam? (say, adding [spam] to the subject) |
| 08:54.00 | jm_ | lyy: ISO9660 filesystem doesn't support it, you need to use UDF |
| 08:54.21 | valdyn | nonix4: tricky question, _reading_ mail violates postal secret, in the US having _machines_ read mail as legal, in germany it is not |
| 08:54.39 | lyy | jm_: ok |
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| 08:55.05 | valdyn | nonix4: though you can sign a treaty to permit that. |
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| 08:55.25 | nonix4 | valdyn: how about filtering by the _envelope_, ignoring contents entirely? |
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| 08:56.17 | valdyn | nonix4: you can do that, mind IANAL |
| 08:56.19 | asddsa90ds7dsa | :) |
| 08:56.25 | valdyn | ludwig__: vi /etc/spamassassin/local.cf |
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| 08:56.36 | ludwig__ | valdyn, thy |
| 08:56.40 | ludwig__ | valdyn, thx |
| 08:56.47 | nvz | when did they add an L on that? |
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| 08:57.00 | pisha | Hello guys... having trouble with my brand new etch... I get my vfat partitions mounted an displayed in nautilus windows everytime I log into X... despite fstab has noauto options for all... any suggestions? |
| 08:57.13 | lyy | w |
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| 08:58.02 | resiak | Maybe nautilus is pants? |
| 08:58.26 | pisha | what?? |
| 08:58.43 | valdyn | pisha: the noauto only means that that partition is not mounted on boot |
| 08:58.56 | valdyn | pisha: nautilus can mount anything that has the 'user' flag in fstab |
| 08:59.11 | nn_ | tarzeau: is fsck.ext3 in the ext2utils package a symlink? |
| 08:59.43 | valdyn | pusling: run gnome-volume-properties |
| 08:59.50 | emergo | Ive got one debian box with cups working, how can I set up box nr 2 to use bx nr 1 as print server ? install cups and ... what |
| 08:59.59 | pisha | valdyn: yep, then should I remove user then? |
| 09:00.13 | valdyn | pisha: if you want only root to be able to mount that partition, yep |
| 09:00.18 | nn_ | tarzeau: it appears to be a seperate binary, can you explain this? |
| 09:00.41 | pisha | valdyn: ok, great... thanks a lot |
| 09:00.57 | tarzeau | nn_: true. then it's different ... |
| 09:01.16 | tarzeau | nn_: no it's not |
| 09:01.20 | tarzeau | nn_: same md5sum of the file |
| 09:01.21 | valdyn | nn_: fsck will call whatever appropriate for the found filesystem |
| 09:01.39 | nn_ | valdyn: were not talking about "fsck" |
| 09:01.57 | tarzeau | nn_: ok e2fsck and fsck.ext3 is the same thing |
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| 09:02.14 | tarzeau | nn_: i don't know if the code does different things depending on what name it is called |
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| 09:02.34 | nvz | more likely what filesystem it detects |
| 09:02.37 | nn_ | tarzeau: I'll see what e2fsck can do for me.. |
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| 09:04.47 | valdyn | emergo: you have 2 choices, install only cupsys-client or install complete cupsys |
| 09:05.26 | valdyn | emergo: in both cases you have to configure the server's cups to permit your client box to print |
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| 09:07.00 | neuterspay | Clackswell; You still there? |
| 09:07.43 | emergo | valdyn: do you know which file ? cupsd.conf or client.conf |
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| 09:07.53 | valdyn | emergo: to achieve what? |
| 09:08.12 | emergo | valdyn: box2 to print thorugh box1 |
| 09:08.15 | neuterspay | Clackswell; well if you are , or if you aren't, thanks. I got it. |
| 09:08.19 | neuterspay | Goign to smoke a celebratory cig |
| 09:09.06 | valdyn | emergo: guess you mean 'to permit remote print jobs coming from box2', edit cupsd.conf on box2 |
| 09:09.08 | emergo | valdyn: on box1 I have the running cupsd now I installed cupsys-client on box2. |
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| 09:10.23 | valdyn | emergo: and to directly send jobs to box1 from box2 ( instead of localhost as is the default ), edit /etc/cups/client.conf |
| 09:10.29 | valdyn | emergo: .. on box2 |
| 09:11.06 | emergo | valdyn: I only have client.conf on box2 (cupsys-client) changing Servername to 10.0.0.2 on that one |
| 09:11.43 | DuncanF | well I added the testing and unstable to mmy sources, and even disabled my normal mirrors and updated, still just getting the normal packages |
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| 09:14.56 | sambrista | i'm here again. The mouse doesn't work properly. When i had the two mouses (the one from the laptop and the ps2 one, i could move with both, and the result was the same, every time i move down or left or move for the second or third time, the mouse moves suddenly to the down left corner. I added mousedev to /etc/modules but it doesn't load it, even with mousedev loaded, the mouse works the same way. I also installed kernel-image-2.6 |
| 09:14.57 | sambrista | -686 (mine is a pentium II) and linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.15-1-686, but when it has to start booting (just when grub displays boot as the last sentence) it reboots :( |
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| 09:15.29 | sambrista | i tried removing the ps2 mouse, but it works the same way |
| 09:17.06 | ludwig__ | Spamassassin, "NO_DNS_FOR_FROM" test ... what does that test consist in? Documentation seems not to exist |
| 09:18.24 | valdyn | ludwig__: no dns reverse lookup for the domain name in the From: email address? |
| 09:18.55 | ludwig__ | valdyn, so a "dig -t MX domainfrom" should give me a valid MX? |
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| 09:19.10 | valdyn | ludwig__: it sais nothing about MX |
| 09:19.46 | valdyn | ludwig__: 'host domain.tld' |
| 09:20.02 | ludwig__ | valdyn, what do You mean "reverse lookup for the domain name" - reverse-lookup is for IP? |
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| 09:20.22 | valdyn | ludwig__: ops |
| 09:20.29 | valdyn | ludwig__: shouldnt say reverse |
| 09:20.39 | ludwig__ | valdyn, anyway 'host blabla' works |
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| 09:21.15 | ludwig__ | valdyn, "blabla has adress 1234\n blabla mail is handled by 10 12345" ... |
| 09:21.26 | emergo | valdyn: where do I add acess to box2 in cupds.conf ? |
| 09:21.41 | ludwig__ | valdyn, but SpamAssassin gives 3 points for "NO_DNS_FOR_FROM" ... |
| 09:21.54 | sambrista | It works!! Aleluya!!! I changed protocol from ImPS/2 to PS/2 |
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| 09:22.28 | valdyn | ludwig__: it obviously didnt work at the time sa ran on that mail? |
| 09:22.50 | woslae | during boot, my system freezes after the line: ACPI: PM-Tmier IO Port 0x408. It will proceed towards kdm login, but there will be no command-line mode. |
| 09:23.07 | woslae | why? |
| 09:23.14 | ludwig__ | valdyn, maybe the test looks at the originating host ("dig -x 130.1.132.123" gives no result)? |
| 09:23.20 | ludwig__ | emergo, mom |
| 09:23.30 | neuterspay | saints of debian |
| 09:23.35 | neuterspay | you help me like parents would |
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| 09:23.44 | emergo | ludwig__: ? |
| 09:23.44 | neuterspay | if they knew linux |
| 09:23.57 | neuterspay | That's my haiku~ night all. |
| 09:23.59 | ludwig__ | emergo, in "/etc/cupsd.conf" |
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| 09:24.11 | ludwig__ | emergo, (serverside) |
| 09:24.23 | neuterspay | If anybody sees Clackswell before I do tell him that he saved my life. |
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| 09:24.32 | usan_ | hey guys, i am currently running a slackware, i want to migrate to debian. how can i migrate without erasing my data? |
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| 09:24.50 | streuner | usan: backup your data first |
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| 09:25.19 | usan_ | streuner, is there any way to build debian in the slackware? |
| 09:25.19 | emergo | ludwig__: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, but ran through it and didnt find where to add box2 |
| 09:25.25 | emergo | maybe to fast |
| 09:25.32 | sep | !debtakeover |
| 09:25.33 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 09:25.48 | streuner | usan_: debootstrap too |
| 09:26.05 | ludwig__ | emergo, in the "Security Section", have a look at the "<Location />" ... Add a "Allow From box2" |
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| 09:26.31 | streuner | usan_: but i would recommend to backup the data and install new |
| 09:27.03 | woslae | nobody has answer for my problem? |
| 09:27.09 | sep | usan_, backup is ofcouse assumed. since none would be stupid enouf to try something like that without backups |
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| 09:27.37 | valdyn | woslae: does ctrl-alt-f1 not bring you to command line mode? |
| 09:27.47 | usan_ | and then, is debian as fast as slackware? |
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| 09:28.03 | resiak | is a cat as fast as another cat? |
| 09:28.06 | bibe | hi all. I have just installed Etch (from the "beta2" CD) on my laptop. Everything works nice, but I'd like to get rid of the "hw_random: RNG not detected" error during boot. I was used to add hw_random module to the hotplug blacklist, and I did it (with 'echo hw_random > /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/hw-random'), but the error's still there. How can I blacklist a module using udev? |
| 09:28.08 | woslae | valdyn, yes, it brings me to the screen at the frozen point. |
| 09:28.09 | valdyn | usan_: distros are not noticably different in speed |
| 09:28.14 | emergo | ludwig__: not security section on my file but still looking |
| 09:28.22 | resiak | bibe: when you figure out how, let me know :) |
| 09:28.38 | bibe | resiak : ;) |
| 09:28.38 | valdyn | woslae: try booting with the added option 'acpi=off' |
| 09:28.41 | ludwig__ | emergo, "<Location />" |
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| 09:28.45 | streuner | usan_: well, performance is mostly an issue of RAM, CPU (your hardware) |
| 09:28.57 | emergo | ludwig__: location is mentioned more than once |
| 09:29.10 | emergo | ludwig__: oh sorry |
| 09:29.20 | emergo | only location |
| 09:29.36 | woslae | valdyn, how to do it from kde? |
| 09:29.47 | usan_ | streuner, ok so i go backuping now :D wish me luck with the installation! |
| 09:29.49 | valdyn | woslae: you dont , you do it in your boot manager first |
| 09:30.17 | ludwig__ | emergo, "<Location />" means all of the CUPS-frontend (Root-Directory) - be careful to allow access to "trusted hosts" only! |
| 09:30.30 | woslae | i cannot issue command, can't get to command-line mode. |
| 09:30.44 | ludwig__ | well, any hint about how to configure spamassassin not not run the "NO_DNS_FOR_FROM" test? |
| 09:30.47 | streuner | usan_: no need to, just google for you hardware via groups.google.com and see if there are issues with debian... |
| 09:30.56 | emergo | ludwig__: Location /printers> etc is different ofcourse |
| 09:30.57 | valdyn | woslae: you can boot, you boot with a boot manager, you add that option when you boot |
| 09:31.12 | streuner | usan_: in case of doubt, just ask here again |
| 09:31.35 | valdyn | woslae: beside that its beyond my why you would think that 'command line mode ' could do anything that a kde terminal could not |
| 09:31.36 | ludwig__ | emergo, giving accesso do "/" gives access to "/printers" also, als "/printers" is a leaf of "/" (-> directory tree) |
| 09:31.38 | emergo | ludwig__: and the</location> fooled me |
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| 09:31.58 | ludwig__ | emergo, so I assume You found the right place? |
| 09:32.21 | emergo | ludwig__: think so :-) |
| 09:32.26 | emergo | ill see if it works |
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| 09:32.30 | woslae | valdyn, how to boot w a boot-manager? boot is controlled by grub. it gives a menu of kernel. |
| 09:32.33 | ludwig__ | emergo, good luck! |
| 09:32.42 | liable | bibe: its in the udev changelog iirc (/etc/modules.d??) |
| 09:32.42 | valdyn | woslae: grub is a boot manager |
| 09:32.51 | jquixote | hi.. how does one search for a package using apt-get? |
| 09:32.58 | valdyn | woslae: reboot, pick your kernel, hit the E key |
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| 09:33.04 | ludwig__ | jquixote, use apt-cache search |
| 09:33.06 | bibe | liable : I am looking for it |
| 09:33.18 | liable | jquixote: apt-cache search foo |
| 09:33.20 | emergo | ludwig__: it says Allow from127.0.0.1 can I add 127.0.0.1, 10.0.0.10 ? |
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| 09:33.44 | heatxsink | http://pastebin.com/612051 |
| 09:33.46 | heatxsink | help!!! |
| 09:33.55 | XTF | Hi. IS xtf ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL the right line if I want to give a user full access to root via sudo? |
| 09:34.04 | jquixote | liable, ludwig_: awesome.. thanks bunches |
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| 09:34.15 | menko | hey people, I installed a debian base system with netinstall, and now I want to install some desktop apps from the sid cdrom snapshots 1 and 2 which I downloaded. |
| 09:34.19 | emergo | ludwig__: or does it take more than oneline of Allow From |
| 09:34.21 | menko | During the installation, I think there was an option to install certain desktops, how can I run it again now that my sources.list has my cdrom in it? |
| 09:34.23 | ludwig__ | emergo, I would use a second line "Allow from 10.0.0.10" if you want to access from that host only, "10.0.0.0/24" if to the subnet |
| 09:34.28 | DuncanF | hey guys, I added "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib" to my source list and am not getting any packages, what else do I need to do? |
| 09:34.30 | woslae | valdyn, hit the Enter key? it will proceed to boot automatically. how to be ableto specify option? |
| 09:34.39 | valdyn | woslae: no you dont hit the enter key |
| 09:34.46 | wizzomafizzo | Is there a boot logo in the default kernels I can enable or something like that? |
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| 09:34.48 | valdyn | woslae: E is E, not Enter |
| 09:34.58 | ludwig__ | emergo, depends on the security policy you have in Your network |
| 09:35.06 | emergo | ludwig__: its on the same subnet so I guess I dont need /24then |
| 09:35.10 | woslae | ok, what is suppose to happen next? |
| 09:35.28 | valdyn | woslae: the kernel boot line becomes editable |
| 09:35.30 | tonix | hy guys, is it possible to use multiple aliases in postfix?? i mean, for instance, root: mail1@provider.com, mail2@provider.com? thanks a lot |
| 09:35.48 | SimonRaven | to call another make target from another one, without using e.g. 'configure: foo bar baz', is it '@target'? |
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| 09:35.53 | ludwig__ | emergo, It is not bad to specify the subnet also, as "10.0.0.0" could mean everything |
| 09:36.02 | jm_ | SimonRaven: simply list it as dependency |
| 09:36.06 | SlayerXP | tonix: what do the postfix docs say on the subject? |
| 09:36.18 | woslae | valdyn, then i will issue command 'boot acpi=off'?? |
| 09:36.19 | ludwig__ | no one skilled spamassassin? |
| 09:36.36 | streuner | heatxsink: what version of debian you want run? |
| 09:36.40 | heatxsink | etch |
| 09:36.45 | SimonRaven | jm_: ok, thanks |
| 09:36.46 | valdyn | woslae: no, you add 'acpi=off' to that line |
| 09:36.48 | ludwig__ | woslae, you would edit the command line to edit it |
| 09:36.52 | bibe | tonix : 'man aliases' says: An alias definition has the form ... name: value1, value2, ... |
| 09:36.53 | heatxsink | streuner: etch |
| 09:36.58 | streuner | heatxsink: well, those entries are fucked |
| 09:37.09 | emergo | ludwig__: I have 4 computers on the 10.0.0. net, can I somehow say that everything starting with 10.0.0 are allowed ? |
| 09:37.13 | heatxsink | streuner: so what do I need to do to fix it? |
| 09:37.34 | SimonRaven | jm_: yeh but i need it elsewhere, like after certain commands |
| 09:37.34 | valdyn | heatxsink: this isnt etch, is it? its unsable |
| 09:37.37 | streuner | heatxsink: use only 'testing' or 'etch' NOT 'unstable' or 'sid' |
| 09:37.42 | woslae | ok, thks. i'll give it a try. bye. |
| 09:37.48 | ludwig__ | emergo, if it is only 4 computers, take 10.0.0.0/24 ... |
| 09:37.56 | jm_ | SimonRaven: can you elaborate? |
| 09:37.57 | tonix | bibe: thanks.... |
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| 09:38.06 | valdyn | heatxsink: at least its completely news to me that you get etch without having one etch/testing entry in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:38.22 | ludwig__ | emergo, it sounds like if it not that easy like someone else comeing and plugging himself into the network? |
| 09:38.40 | SimonRaven | jm_: i'm trying to cut down on the file size, and i don't want to C&P the target in each other target |
| 09:39.14 | SimonRaven | jm_: AFAIK, looks like i'll have to, with some mods :/ |
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| 09:39.20 | heatxsink | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/612057 |
| 09:39.25 | heatxsink | valdyn: that's my sources.lst |
| 09:39.25 | streuner | heatxsink: no |
| 09:39.25 | emergo | ludwig__: Its that I have multiple boot and that makes it 10-12 computer to add and they dont have static ip all of them |
| 09:39.42 | streuner | heatxsink: as i told you, your sources.list isn't correct then... |
| 09:39.46 | SimonRaven | fuck it, i'll do it |
| 09:39.46 | heatxsink | okay |
| 09:39.50 | valdyn | heatxsink: yep |
| 09:39.53 | SimonRaven | s/it/that/ |
| 09:40.04 | heatxsink | i'm running sarge then? |
| 09:40.08 | ootput | lord, anyone know why c-h (in emacs) fails to work in terminals? |
| 09:40.11 | streuner | no unstable |
| 09:40.25 | ludwig__ | emergo, multiple boot does not affect the ACL (Access Control List), if they do not change IP or network card all the time ... |
| 09:40.30 | heatxsink | streuner: so should I change unstable to testing? |
| 09:40.31 | liable | heh, i thought it was in a factoid.. |
| 09:40.37 | woslae | Another problem, on kernel build. When I try to build kernel-2.6.15 fr source, i get: dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.15 not in control info. |
| 09:40.40 | liable | bibe: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 09:40.56 | DuncanF | guys what is the easiest way to backpatch? I added a mirror for unstable to my sources list, and turned off all the normal ones but it didn't bring anythign up |
| 09:40.58 | tarzeau | hehe http://www.gapingvoid.com/if i link to you.jpg |
| 09:41.05 | tarzeau | DuncanF: backport you mean? |
| 09:41.11 | tarzeau | DuncanF: www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ that's how i do it |
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| 09:41.32 | DuncanF | trazeau, yeah thanks |
| 09:41.33 | jm_ | SimonRaven: there's something similar which may help, info make -> Rules -> Multiple targets |
| 09:41.34 | bibe | liable : thanks a lot |
| 09:41.37 | streuner | heatxsink: man sources.list |
| 09:41.38 | jm_ | SimonRaven: see if that helps |
| 09:41.43 | heatxsink | k |
| 09:41.55 | tarzeau | DuncanF: it can fail on certain occassions, so do a manual quality check. improvements are welcome |
| 09:42.12 | ludwig__ | emergo, do You run a DHCP server? |
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| 09:43.09 | emergo | ludwig__: switch |
| 09:43.10 | ludwig__ | emergo, if You do not plan to have dozens of computers having anoter network card every few days, You could think of assigning each network card (MAC-address) the same IP all the time |
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| 09:43.13 | liable | hrm, i cant find where in the docs it says it though, although i have read it before *somewhere* |
| 09:43.23 | ludwig__ | emergo, ? |
| 09:43.32 | SimonRaven | jm_: thanks dude |
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| 09:43.51 | emergo | ludwig__: switch with dhcp that gives out ip, but Ive startet using static on them |
| 09:43.58 | ye_old | hi all, I've got a language issue: locale tells me all is "C" and LC_ALL= <-- empty, I need to get de_DE for running applications in german, it seems kde does fine, but a gtk based app such as gimp does not, it always switches back to english, what can I do there? |
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| 09:44.27 | valdyn | ye_old: dpkg-reconfigure locales, log out, log in |
| 09:44.37 | ye_old | as root? |
| 09:44.46 | valdyn | ye_old: yes |
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| 09:45.06 | streuner | you do everything with debian package system as root |
| 09:45.08 | emergo | ludwig__: I sent one job into que and it says no daemon present on box2, that means client.conf on box2 isnt ready or correct |
| 09:45.10 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 09:45.14 | ^rob^ | !khtml |
| 09:45.14 | dpkg | khtml is probably KDE's HTML widget |
| 09:45.24 | ^rob^ | !khtml-dev |
| 09:45.32 | ludwig__ | emergo, so the switch assings the same IP to the network cards all the time? |
| 09:45.48 | ye_old | khtml is another name for konqueror for it's concurrence, they don't want it to sound that cool, that's why they call it KHTML |
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| 09:46.35 | resiak | The dpkg factoid is right... |
| 09:46.39 | ^rob^ | des anybody know where to find khtml include files? - i am trying to make a simple fullscreen browser without any buttons |
| 09:46.40 | caffei | ye_old, er, no. konqueror is the frontend, khtml a rendering backend (also used by Safari). |
| 09:47.01 | resiak | konqueror is a frontend for a ridiculously large number of ... I believe they are called IOSlaves? |
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| 09:47.04 | ye_old | caffei: didn't know that, sorry |
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| 09:47.44 | caffei | rage, you're joking, right? ;^) |
| 09:47.56 | ^rob^ | rage: it is called gtkhtml - but now it's rewritted - to not use khtml any more... |
| 09:47.57 | emergo | ludwig__: no, cause I have some virtual pcs |
| 09:48.07 | caffei | ^rob^, it never did use khtml |
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| 09:48.18 | ^rob^ | i need the include files.... |
| 09:48.24 | ^rob^ | can't find them. :( |
| 09:48.33 | jm_ | Debian has gtkhtml devel packages |
| 09:48.50 | emergo | ludwig__: but Now Im courious how totroubleshoot why the print job isnt forwarded to box1 |
| 09:48.51 | ^rob^ | jm_: that's based on gtk - i need qt. |
| 09:49.05 | jm_ | ^rob^: then why are you mentioning gtkhtml? |
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| 09:49.29 | caffei | ^rob^, opera uses Qt directly, Konqueror uses Qt and KDE libs. |
| 09:49.35 | ^rob^ | jm_: i did not - i answered rage question |
| 09:50.00 | ^rob^ | caffei: i've installed kde-dev - but there's no khtml.h |
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| 09:50.18 | woslae | problem encountered during kernel build: dpkg-gencontrol -DArchitecture=i386 -isp \ |
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| 09:50.20 | woslae | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.20 | woslae | dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.15 not in control info |
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| 09:50.28 | heatxsink | is there a copy of a proper sources.list on the wiki somewhere? |
| 09:50.31 | ^rob^ | find /usr/include -name khtml.h yelled nothing |
| 09:50.34 | jm_ | ^rob^: ok, sorry |
| 09:50.38 | menko | does anyone know where the installation scripts are? I wanted the one for package selection |
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| 09:51.05 | streuner | heatxsink: you need one line for debian |
| 09:51.14 | streuner | heatxsink: a second for security |
| 09:51.22 | liable | can you get the movie bit out of a flash link?? |
| 09:51.25 | streuner | heatxsink: and maybe for marillat, that's all |
| 09:51.29 | caffei | ^rob^, find /usr/include/kde -name '*html*' |
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| 09:51.52 | ftp3 | hey.. when i try and do "apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec" i get this error: http://pastebin.com/612065 |
| 09:51.53 | ludwig__ | emergo, box2 has to be configured to send the job to box1 ... |
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| 09:51.58 | resiak | rage: gtkwebcore |
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| 09:52.12 | greench | hello ;) |
| 09:52.12 | woslae | any answer for my kernel-build problem? |
| 09:52.19 | rage | mmmm, cool resiak |
| 09:52.26 | ludwig__ | emergo, in "/etc/cups/client.conf" just add "ServerName box1" |
| 09:52.35 | emergo | ludwig__: in /etc/cups/client.conf I have Servername 10.0.0.2 |
| 09:52.40 | ^rob^ | caffei: ty - i found some - but no khtml.h |
| 09:52.41 | ^rob^ | :( |
| 09:52.46 | jm_ | liable: isn't it a simple swf? |
| 09:52.54 | caffei | ^rob^, I don't think there is supposed to be a khtml.h :p |
| 09:52.56 | resiak | rage: Sorry, gtk-webcore. It's a port of webcore (which is Apple's port of khtml to Cocoa) to Gtk. It's unfinished, and currently kinda buggy, and needed a bit of hacking to build (to do with the constness of pointers and libcurl) |
| 09:52.57 | ludwig__ | emergo, is it the config of box2 and IP of box1? |
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| 09:53.30 | ^rob^ | caffei: there must be - i have the docu from khtml - 1 example there - and 1.st line include <khtml.h> |
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| 09:53.45 | woslae | no answer? |
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| 09:53.54 | Spine | whats the command to unmount a drive ? |
| 09:53.56 | emergo | ludwig__: yes, and mozilla says postscript/epson.... (the correct name of printer) and I didnt enter that on box 2 |
| 09:54.01 | tijn | umount |
| 09:54.05 | caffei | ^rob^, hrm, odd |
| 09:54.07 | Spine | unmount dotn work |
| 09:54.10 | Spine | wont* |
| 09:54.12 | tijn | umount |
| 09:54.15 | tijn | no n |
| 09:54.15 | ^rob^ | caffei: weird |
| 09:54.16 | woslae | Spine, umount |
| 09:54.20 | Spine | ohh ty lol |
| 09:54.21 | resiak | rage: I do however have the example browser running right now. |
| 09:54.35 | ftp3 | anyone have any idea on my ? |
| 09:54.37 | jm_ | Spine: apropos unmount |
| 09:54.43 | ludwig__ | emergo, did You restart the cupsd on box1? |
| 09:54.43 | liable | jm_: i have no idea. it says it needs flash 8. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=574489776&n=2 |
| 09:54.44 | ^rob^ | caffei: thank you for your suggestions - gone to #kde to ask |
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| 09:54.54 | emergo | ludwig__: yes |
| 09:55.23 | ye_old | who needs all that flash :I |
| 09:55.23 | emergo | ludwig__: but the location is like this first line .. <Location /> |
| 09:55.30 | resiak | rage: http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/Screenshots/gtk-webcore.png |
| 09:55.51 | emergo | ludwig__: for me that means <location/> is terminated, is this correct |
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| 09:56.21 | jm_ | liable: it looks like it starts http://lads.myspace.com/videos/vplayer.swf with given argument |
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| 09:56.42 | emergo | ludwig__: but how does box2 know its using cups ? |
| 09:57.27 | valdyn | emergo: why would it have to know that? when? |
| 09:57.40 | rage | Thats really cool :-) I want to have Konquerer on my machines but I dont really want half of kde on it |
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| 09:57.59 | ludwig__ | emergo, on box2, just try in firefox (or whatever browser You are using) "http://box1:631" - You should get the CUPS menu |
| 09:58.01 | resiak | rage: It would be cool if it were usable |
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| 09:58.03 | resiak | rage: please finish it! |
| 09:58.11 | rage | haha :-) |
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| 09:58.22 | rage | maybe when I finish uni :-P |
| 09:58.37 | emergo | valdyn: when mozilla wants to print it needs to know |
| 09:59.16 | emergo | ludwig__: I did get it |
| 09:59.38 | greench | there is problem with the nvidia driver, i`ve read abut it in http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html how to update it.Everything fine, but one. when i run 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx' nothing happened.And that`s why i can`t change the Driver from nv to nvidia.Please help :) |
| 09:59.40 | ludwig__ | OK ... |
| 10:00.05 | ludwig__ | emergo, on box2, what system are You running? Windows machine? |
| 10:00.17 | emergo | ludwig__: debian-adm64 |
| 10:00.54 | emergo | ludwig__: installed cupsys-client and entered Servername 10.0.0.2 in client.conf |
| 10:00.59 | heatxsink | I keep getting that gpgv error |
| 10:01.00 | ludwig__ | emergo, OK |
| 10:01.08 | liable | jm_: how do i watch the sucker? |
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| 10:01.30 | ludwig__ | emergo, in FireFox, "Ctrl+P" ... what printers does it list? |
| 10:01.37 | SimonRaven | woohoo my fugly thing worked. too tired to look into the multi-target right now, but good for some reading when i'm bored or something |
| 10:01.52 | jm_ | liable: beats me, it doesn't work here either, I guess it really needs version 8 |
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| 10:02.02 | liable | jm_: bugger. |
| 10:02.07 | liable | thanks anyway |
| 10:02.16 | kicknick | i am currently trying to connect to my debian server on telnet port 25 and it is saying connection refused, which log is best to check |
| 10:02.21 | jm_ | I can try installing v8 on Windows and see if it works there |
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| 10:02.35 | obscuresoul | hello |
| 10:02.39 | liable | jm_: its ok, its not that important :) |
| 10:02.54 | streuner | kicknick: try syslog |
| 10:02.55 | jm_ | liable: the title is super appealing ;) |
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| 10:03.13 | liable | jm_: its only video of helicopters :) |
| 10:03.34 | emergo | ludwig__: lp@:64, xp_ps_sppoldir_HOME-Xprint... xp_pdf_spooldir_HOME_Xprintj... PostScript/EpsonPhotoRX-425 |
| 10:04.01 | streuner | kicknick: which MTA do you use, btw? |
| 10:04.05 | ludwig__ | OK, when choosing the EpsonPhoto (that is the correct printer?) - what do You get? |
| 10:04.09 | ye_old | hm, how can that be: when I print via localhost:631 -> testpage, it works out great, but out of openoffice or gimp, it prints, but the image is totally screwed, it's just some diagonal black lines... |
| 10:04.16 | k31th | to create a sym link its ln -s thelink /home/the-file-i-want-to-link-to ?? |
| 10:04.23 | obscuresoul | how could i have a transparent terminal? |
| 10:05.15 | emergo | ludwig__: its correct, it says something I cant read. Thinks it printing ... and the nothing more |
| 10:05.29 | streuner | kicknick: Does your ISP block port 25, are you using a router? |
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| 10:05.47 | emergo | ludwig__: box2 no entries box1 no entries |
| 10:07.22 | heatxsink | sorry, can someone please help, this gpgv error is jacked up |
| 10:07.24 | liable | kicknick: is the service actually running?? netstat -plunt |
| 10:07.40 | liable | kicknick: if it is, then look at firewall/isp blocking |
| 10:07.41 | sep | anyone aware of any FOSS php acceleration caches packaged in debian ? |
| 10:07.58 | streuner | liable: otherwise he don't use an MTA at all... |
| 10:08.16 | emergo | ludwig__: I changed the hostname on box2 and it said postscript/default instead then it sends it to the local lpq |
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| 10:08.22 | ludwig__ | emergo, nothing in /var/log/syslog or daemon.log or so? |
| 10:09.06 | ludwig__ | ARGH! I am getting crazy with SpamAssassin! |
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| 10:09.25 | ludwig__ | How can I tell him to NOT run a test? |
| 10:09.46 | ludwig__ | The spamassassin-wiki ist not very helpful! |
| 10:09.50 | SimonRaven | 'it' |
| 10:09.54 | liable | streuner: yerp |
| 10:10.16 | emergo | ludwig__: localhost lpd[7514]: /dev/lp0: No such file or directory |
| 10:10.19 | Felix123456 | Hi everbody... I have a problem with aptitude which I can't solve despite of extensive googling... am I right here? |
| 10:10.28 | ludwig__ | emergo, which host? |
| 10:10.35 | emergo | ludwig__: box2 |
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| 10:10.48 | ludwig__ | emergo, You took the wrong printer, did you? |
| 10:11.02 | emergo | ludwig__: but I havf to run . |
| 10:11.06 | emergo | ludwig__: yes |
| 10:11.28 | emergo | ludwig__: I try with the correct and see if I have more entries in syslog |
| 10:11.43 | ludwig__ | emergo, OK |
| 10:11.45 | Felix123456 | aptitude install samba results in " No candidate version found for samba" :/ |
| 10:11.50 | liable | Felix123456: ask away |
| 10:12.04 | liable | Felix123456: aptitude search samba |
| 10:12.06 | Spine | how can i copy a dir from konsole coz i cant do it via cp lineageii_ch4 /home/Spine/Downloads/ |
| 10:12.07 | Spine | ? |
| 10:12.09 | emergo | ludwig__: the correct one didnt give any knew line in syslog |
| 10:12.25 | Felix123456 | liable: v samba - |
| 10:12.25 | Felix123456 | v samba-common - |
| 10:12.34 | emergo | ludwig__: thanks for patience |
| 10:12.48 | liable | Felix123456: they are virtual packages. are you running etch or what? |
| 10:12.57 | ludwig__ | emergo, but printing from box1 works (try to print the CUPS-testpage from the CUPS-webfrontend) |
| 10:13.04 | Felix123456 | liable: I am running ubuntu 5.10 |
| 10:13.17 | liable | Felix123456: /topic |
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| 10:13.39 | benoit | hello there |
| 10:13.45 | benoit | ouch. lots of people here |
| 10:13.55 | greench | there is problem with the nvidia driver, i`ve read abut it in http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html how to update it.Everything fine, but one. when i run 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx' nothing happened.And that`s why i can`t change the Driver from nv to nvidia.Please help :) |
| 10:13.57 | Felix123456 | liable: ok, thanks... thought that might be a more fundamental thing |
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| 10:14.15 | liable | Felix123456: thats repo problem more than anything |
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| 10:14.22 | benoit | i'm searching the dpkg options to avoid the creation of .dpkg-new files and have them overwrite the current configuration file |
| 10:14.23 | DuncanF | tarzeau, you still there? |
| 10:14.27 | benoit | is there such an option? |
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| 10:15.56 | resiak | --force-confnew |
| 10:16.02 | resiak | man dpkg does mention this |
| 10:16.09 | DuncanF | what do i do with the files from http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ in order to backport? |
| 10:16.09 | Spine | How can i copy a dir from konsole ? |
| 10:16.22 | SlayerXP | Spine: "man cp" |
| 10:16.32 | Spine | ty |
| 10:16.47 | SlayerXP | Spine: nb hg wyr gg? |
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| 10:17.32 | benoit | resiak: yep. i tried, but it does not work ... |
| 10:17.40 | Spine | huh lol |
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| 10:17.42 | benoit | resiak: i add this option to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 10:17.48 | JediMaster | hi guys |
| 10:18.07 | benoit | resiak: however, my setup might be special since the current conf. file is a symlink... |
| 10:18.27 | tarzeau | DuncanF: yes? |
| 10:18.47 | resiak | benoit: how exactly did you add the option? |
| 10:19.01 | jm_ | liable: works in Windows, and I had to reboot to install 8.0.24 :))) |
| 10:19.11 | DuncanF | tarzeau how do I use the script for backporting? sorry got distracted earlier |
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| 10:19.17 | benoit | resiak: here it is : |
| 10:19.18 | benoit | DPkg { |
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| 10:19.18 | benoit | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.18 | benoit | } |
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| 10:19.21 | liable | jm_: heh. thanks for trying :) |
| 10:19.25 | resiak | ffs |
| 10:19.29 | tarzeau | DuncanF: ./abp programinsid |
| 10:19.33 | JediMaster | I've been using debian for a good few years now, but I'm going to need to look after a good 20+ debian servers in the next couple of weeks that need to be setup identically and all need to be kept up to date, does anyone know of anything that can help out manging small-medium debian server farms? (something like the deadhat kickstart disk would be handy when setting them up) |
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| 10:19.45 | benoit | resiak: back ... |
| 10:19.45 | tarzeau | DuncanF: you'll ned to make sure you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list as user, and run it as user |
| 10:19.51 | jm_ | liable: and only in IE |
| 10:19.56 | tarzeau | DuncanF: you might want to edit abp for your DEB* variables |
| 10:20.00 | azeem | JediMaster: look at FAI |
| 10:20.03 | liable | jm_: dont know a way of extracting the video bit though?? there must be a way i guess. |
| 10:20.04 | benoit | resiak: did you get it ? |
| 10:20.08 | resiak | benoit: have you tried making "options" lower-case, as in man apt.conf? |
| 10:20.12 | DuncanF | tarzea yeah I went into root earlier and enabled it |
| 10:20.14 | tarzeau | DuncanF: the last 3 commands are only needed if you want to contribute to backports.org |
| 10:20.21 | liable | i dont really know how flash works.. |
| 10:20.27 | jm_ | liable: me neither |
| 10:20.39 | benoit | resiak: nope. but the options work in other cases (where the conf. file is a real file and not a symlink) |
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| 10:20.43 | JediMaster | azeem: ah! FAI, that rings a bell, think I looked into that a while back |
| 10:20.44 | tarzeau | DuncanF: i just noticed, it fails on debian native version packages |
| 10:20.54 | resiak | benoit: Hmm, then maybe you should file a bug :) |
| 10:21.01 | benoit | resiak: :-( |
| 10:21.28 | benoit | resiak: i'm more seeking a solution rather than bugs .... |
| 10:21.51 | resiak | benoit: and I don't know a solution, but what you are describing sounds like a bug and so you should probably report it |
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| 10:22.50 | xst007 | hi all! |
| 10:23.10 | xst007 | Can some one help me to setup rouge pppoe server?? |
| 10:25.09 | benoit | resiak: thanks anyway :-) |
| 10:25.09 | Virtual | I got a USB to Bluetooth adaptor, what do i need to install to get it to work, i installed kdebluetooth, bluez-utils and anything from bluez |
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| 10:26.08 | nn | Virtual: you need kernel support for bt as well |
| 10:26.40 | Virtual | i have 2.6.15-1 kernel from debian repository, i think that has BT in it |
| 10:26.42 | Virtual | ? |
| 10:27.00 | OsRo | buenas |
| 10:27.24 | JediMaster | azeem: do you know of anything that can keep the servers the same, e.g. do updates on all at the same time and select the same options etc? |
| 10:27.57 | nn | Virtual: check whether the corresponding modules are loaded correctly |
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| 10:28.11 | azeem | JediMaster: clusterssh or something, maybe, and debconf preseeding |
| 10:28.18 | azeem | JediMaster: but I think FAI can handle that as well |
| 10:28.22 | azeem | (I never used FAI myself) |
| 10:28.31 | Virtual | nn: they are except bluez module ? I saw patch on bluez website, how do I put the patch to the kernel ? |
| 10:28.34 | _root_ | Getting "PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function imagerotate()".. i am using php-5.1.1 with gd compiled.. how will i getrid of this error ? |
| 10:28.44 | kicknick | hi i am having trouble ssh'ing into my server. i can use the ip but cannot use hostname? any way fo fixing this |
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| 10:29.10 | sep | kicknick, configure some nameresolution, either a dns server if you run one, or set it in hostsfile |
| 10:29.20 | streuner | kicknick: locale server? |
| 10:29.29 | JediMaster | thanks azeem |
| 10:29.52 | xst007 | Can someone tell me how to setup pppoe server? |
| 10:29.54 | nn | Virtual: copy it to the source tree and use the `patch` program |
| 10:30.45 | Virtual | then I have to recompile the kernel ? |
| 10:30.46 | nn | Virtual: yes - or at least the modules |
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| 10:30.47 | streuner | kicknick: for a server in your LAN check out /etc/hosts, otherwise you have DNS issues |
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| 10:31.09 | liable | i have a hard time believing that. |
| 10:31.19 | liable | oops |
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| 10:31.44 | Spine | where does debian store the .deb files it downloads when installing/updating via apt ? |
| 10:32.02 | streuner | Spine: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 10:32.06 | Spine | ty |
| 10:32.55 | streuner | kicknick: if its a static IP you can use /etc/hosts as well |
| 10:32.59 | nn | streuner: can I change that path? |
| 10:33.08 | nn | streuner: to /dev/null e.g.? |
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| 10:33.11 | Virtual | nn: to get the source for the current kernel i have to get the headers from debian repository right? |
| 10:33.14 | DuncanF | so this is a retarded question, but shouldn't print screen work for a general desktop capture to put into Gimp? |
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| 10:33.22 | streuner | nn: i didn't follow the convo |
| 10:34.38 | kicknick | :O |
| 10:34.42 | nn | streuner: is "/var/cache/apt/archives" configurable? |
| 10:34.43 | kicknick | how do i set static ip |
| 10:34.49 | streuner | Virtual: no |
| 10:34.49 | kicknick | i knew i forgot something :( |
| 10:35.04 | liable | !interfaces |
| 10:35.04 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 10:35.10 | liable | kicknick: ^^ |
| 10:35.15 | streuner | Virtual: headers are for making new modules, which comes from third parties |
| 10:35.29 | nn | Virtual: you need the headers only if you compile out-of-kernel-tree software |
| 10:35.36 | nn | Virtual: patches are in-kernel-tree |
| 10:35.51 | Virtual | streuner: then what do i need? |
| 10:36.16 | jm_ | nn: yes, man apt.conf |
| 10:36.35 | nn | Virtual: you need to be of what exactly you are going to do.. read the docs of your driver |
| 10:36.46 | nn | jm_: you are my superstar |
| 10:38.02 | rage | Does anyone have a domain name they no longer want and feel like giving me ownership of for some testing? |
| 10:38.09 | streuner | a simple thanks is better... |
| 10:38.18 | mcliber | .. |
| 10:38.37 | fireba11 | rage: ?? |
| 10:38.51 | rage | like, a spare .info that someones not using |
| 10:39.14 | streuner | rage: check out some special sites, e.g. joker.com |
| 10:39.15 | fireba11 | rage: transfering ownership cost as much as registering a new one, baka |
| 10:39.30 | rage | mmm :-( |
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| 10:39.46 | streuner | rage: why? |
| 10:40.01 | streuner | rage: for what you want a domain, just for testing stuff? |
| 10:40.06 | rage | Because I'm poor and yeah |
| 10:40.13 | rage | just want to play around with one |
| 10:40.20 | streuner | rage: ok, check dyndns.org |
| 10:40.37 | rage | yeah, I suppose :-/ |
| 10:41.02 | streuner | joker.com isn't that expensive too |
| 10:41.26 | Virtual | at godaddy.com they have a 6$ .info special right now |
| 10:41.40 | streuner | one month? |
| 10:41.45 | Virtual | 1 year |
| 10:41.45 | dumah | hallo zusammen, jmd. da der sich mit wow und cedega auskennt hätte 3 fragen? |
| 10:42.03 | rage | I can get a .info for $1.99 U.S anyway |
| 10:42.18 | Virtual | :))) then why are you here asking for one ? |
| 10:42.21 | fireba11 | !de |
| 10:42.21 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 10:42.22 | streuner | dumah: english please |
| 10:42.30 | rage | Because... why not? :-) |
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| 10:42.38 | jm_ | shouldn't that be Ihr? |
| 10:42.39 | dumah | oh sry |
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| 10:42.44 | streuner | dumah: #cedega might helpful.. |
| 10:42.50 | Virtual | right, i "love" you leechers |
| 10:42.55 | dumah | thanks |
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| 10:43.03 | fireba11 | rage: what exactly do you want to play around with anyway ? |
| 10:43.22 | rage | zoneedit for the most part and apache virtual hosts |
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| 10:43.38 | streuner | jm_: 'Ihr' would you use to call one single person... |
| 10:44.13 | streuner | jm_: 'ihr' for a group of people |
| 10:44.48 | jm_ | streuner: ahh so it's plural |
| 10:44.59 | streuner | yep, 'ihr' is plural |
| 10:45.05 | jm_ | man I have really forgotten a lot ;) |
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| 10:47.48 | streuner | jm_: our brain use only 50 percent |
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| 10:48.47 | jm_ | streuner: the rest is hidden in deep, dark corners :) |
| 10:48.51 | fireba11 | streuner: i'm wondering what the other 50% are doing though |
| 10:48.52 | streuner | hehe |
| 10:49.02 | streuner | nothing |
| 10:49.10 | streuner | its simply not used |
| 10:49.52 | tijn | thats spare |
| 10:50.00 | streuner | so 49 % owned by sex, and the other by knowledge ;-) |
| 10:50.02 | tijn | you can drink/smoke that to hell ;) |
| 10:50.12 | streuner | (the other 1 %) :-) |
| 10:50.23 | ludwig__ | bye |
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| 10:52.17 | nez | hi |
| 10:52.33 | nez | hi |
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| 10:58.08 | streuner | jm_: sadly, i want learn some french, but i have mostly no time |
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| 10:58.52 | kicknick | i have set the static ip, where is the hosts file to set hostname? |
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| 10:59.04 | streuner | man hosts |
| 10:59.17 | menko | hi, I've installed a base system from a netinstall cd, and I have two sid snapshot cds here. So, what do I install to get a gnome/kde desktop? |
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| 11:01.11 | resiak | !tell menko -about install gnome |
| 11:01.12 | resiak | !tell menko -about install kde |
| 11:01.14 | resiak | !tell menko -about sid |
| 11:01.16 | quw | Hi, I have Debian Sarge Stable version, but i would like to install the mozilla-firefox of the unstable version, i add another line in /etc/apt/sources.list with unstable main instead of stable main, and when i type apt-get install mozilla-firefox, apt give me an error to found the file on the server.. |
| 11:01.28 | resiak | !tell quw about simple sid backport |
| 11:01.44 | kicknick | it says 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost dexter but u still cannot ssh in using dexter :( |
| 11:01.45 | azeem | or backports.org rather, maybe? |
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| 11:02.06 | menko | cool, thanks resiak |
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| 11:02.14 | resiak | azeem: makes a good point |
| 11:02.24 | azeem | I mean, I doubt firefox is a simple sid backport |
| 11:02.56 | Otaku | do i need all the install CD isos if i want to install from CD ? |
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| 11:03.02 | Otaku | i think there are 17 CD isos :S |
| 11:03.10 | azeem | Otaku: no |
| 11:03.14 | azeem | Otaku: will you have internet? |
| 11:03.15 | Fox | hi |
| 11:03.21 | Otaku | no |
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| 11:03.30 | Otaku | at least not on the PC that i plan to install debian on |
| 11:03.33 | azeem | Otaku: the first three or four should still be plenty |
| 11:03.44 | resiak | benoit: no, you may not bug me in private |
| 11:03.46 | resiak | !tell benoit -about msg |
| 11:03.54 | Otaku | okay thank you very much :) |
| 11:04.05 | azeem | Otaku: if not, you can still download & burn the others later on |
| 11:04.29 | Otaku | azeem: alright, thanks for the tip |
| 11:04.40 | independence | I can't get tsocks on debian (sparc64) to work, i get no output at all the program just stops and times out after a long while.. any ideas? |
| 11:04.45 | benoit | resiak: ok. no problem. |
| 11:04.52 | independence | I've tried to compile tsocks from source too |
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| 11:05.07 | azeem | independence: ugh, they #debian-sparc maybe |
| 11:05.19 | azeem | independence: also, did you check the BTS? |
| 11:05.27 | independence | BTS? |
| 11:05.30 | azeem | !bts |
| 11:05.30 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 11:08.21 | oldman | is it safe to unpin libXft2 yet? (2.1.8.2-3 having crashed lots of KDE apps) |
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| 11:09.52 | quw | resiak, if i install mozilla-firefox of sid version, every dependance will be also program of the unstable version |
| 11:09.54 | quw | ? |
| 11:10.11 | resiak | quw: Don't install Sid's firefox. Get a newer version from backports.org |
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| 11:10.28 | Fox | quw: http://www.backports.org/package.php?search=firefox |
| 11:10.32 | quw | what is backports |
| 11:10.56 | Maulkin | !backports |
| 11:10.56 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 11:11.51 | quw | ok :) thanks |
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| 11:12.04 | quw | i think the flash-plugin require firefox 1.2 |
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| 11:13.36 | kicknick | ok i have set "192.168.1.200 dexter" in the host file and it still does nto work :( |
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| 11:17.01 | JohnFlux | how hard is it to write a touchscreen driver |
| 11:17.04 | JohnFlux | can't be too difficult |
| 11:17.14 | resiak | Good luck! |
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| 11:18.16 | chealer9 | oldman: just "unpinning" can't be unsafe by itself |
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| 11:21.07 | oldman | chealer9: you're right, it's the subsequent "upgrade" following that bites one [wink] |
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| 11:22.05 | chealer9 | oldman: probably, if there was a good reason to pin |
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| 11:22.47 | xored | my apache2 is running with suphp. Somehow when i create a dir, it has the "running user" ownership. When i later try to write in, it gives me an permission denied, though i got the "user write" flags setted. Any ideas ? |
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| 11:23.46 | oldman | chealer9: here is/was my reason: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.rc/browse_thread/thread/e869f960102dfaa0/eb3210c2beddec21?lnk=st&q=libxft2&rnum=1&hl=en#eb3210c2beddec21 |
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| 11:24.43 | The^Eagle | i wonder how i can mount my ext2 partition so it's rw to my user |
| 11:25.55 | Shadur | Erm, ext2 partitions have actual existing permission sets, so unless it's explicitly mounted read-only, root would be able to chmod the whole of it. |
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| 11:26.05 | Shadur | This isn't neccessarily a good idea, mind, but it's possible. |
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| 11:26.43 | The^Eagle | ah |
| 11:26.48 | The^Eagle | so i need to chmod it 777? |
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| 11:27.51 | wols_ | no you don't |
| 11:27.57 | liable | The^Eagle: how is it mounted now? |
| 11:27.59 | DuncanF | hmm just tried to install ATI divers, got an error message: [Error] Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment |
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| 11:28.20 | The^Eagle | just rw |
| 11:28.24 | wols_ | DuncanF: probably no gcc or kernel headers installed |
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| 11:28.27 | The^Eagle | if you mean my mounting options |
| 11:28.58 | DuncanF | and in the control center under kernel it says kernel configurationc ould not be read |
| 11:29.10 | chealer9 | oldman: you can check Steve Langasek's last message to the bug. unless you pinned other things, this bug isn't a problem |
| 11:29.33 | chealer9 | oldman: or at least not one of grave severity as you could think |
| 11:30.37 | The^Eagle | liable rw is my mounting option |
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| 11:32.09 | oldman | chealer9: thank you! |
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| 11:33.34 | snorks | Where do I set DNS servers if I'm going to use a static IP (gotten that to work /etc/network/interface)? |
| 11:33.49 | resiak | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:33.51 | snorks | thanks |
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| 11:34.49 | Fox | should be in /etc/network/interface now |
| 11:34.58 | Fox | dns-nameservers aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd |
| 11:35.00 | resiak | It should? My bad, sorry. |
| 11:35.07 | Fox | np :) |
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| 11:35.30 | Fox | install resolvconf |
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| 11:36.26 | liable | Fox: where did you get that info? |
| 11:37.00 | DuncanF | which 2.6 kernel is it that ships with sarge? |
| 11:37.11 | liable | 2.6.8 |
| 11:37.28 | streuner | kmuto's sarge installer has 2.6.15 |
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| 11:37.38 | snorks | Fox: if it's DHCP, does nameservers duck up somewhere else? catting interface didnt show any DNS stuff |
| 11:38.13 | rubia | try6tufgg6thd |
| 11:38.26 | rubia | hello |
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| 11:39.05 | rubia | uyikuyuyjhl, |
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| 11:44.26 | Fox | liable: I got it from my last sarge installs :) |
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| 11:44.58 | Fox | snorks: dunno, never used dhcp, sorry |
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| 11:45.34 | Fox | snorks: but if not there it should be in /etc/resolv.conf actually |
| 11:46.21 | liable | Fox: where in the docs though?? i cant remember reading about it. |
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| 11:47.24 | B4ckBOne|-oFF | hello |
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| 11:48.20 | B4ckBOne|-oFF | ive just installed debian .. and i dont know how to start KDE from the commandline .. ive tried startx .. kde .. start kde ... exec kde .. usw |
| 11:48.29 | B4ckBOne|-oFF | can somebody please help me? |
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| 11:49.52 | liable | startkde should do it. what exactly did you install? |
| 11:50.02 | ice_1963 | how did you install debian? |
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| 11:50.27 | Fox | liable: /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz ? |
| 11:50.45 | B4ckBOne|-oFF | I downloaded the cd images burned and followed the installer |
| 11:50.58 | B4ckBOne|-oFF | Desktop standard installation |
| 11:51.04 | ice_1963 | did you install xserver-xorg and x-window-system-core |
| 11:51.28 | B4ckBOne|-oFF | I dont know this one ... but i dont think so |
| 11:51.53 | valdyn | Fox: it should if you have resolvconf installed |
| 11:51.58 | ice_1963 | you need it |
| 11:52.02 | valdyn | Fox: which is optional |
| 11:52.25 | B4ckBOne|-oFF | how can i apply this pakage now? |
| 11:52.34 | ice_1963 | to run kde that is :) |
| 11:52.43 | Fox | valdyn: yes, but I think it shouldn't be optional :) |
| 11:53.03 | liable | Fox: oh, ok. thats for resolvconf package. |
| 11:53.12 | Fox | so many things can be done through /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:53.21 | liable | B4ckBOne|-oFF: if x isnt starting for you, then you messed up the config. |
| 11:53.26 | liable | !drxx B4ckBOne|-oFF |
| 11:53.26 | dpkg | B4ckBOne|-oFF: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 11:55.55 | kicknick | ok i have an odd problem: set the time on m debian server baout an hour ago, now its ahead by 2 hours??? |
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| 11:56.51 | sep | kicknick, do you dualboot with windows ? |
| 11:57.06 | adivoinea | hello, is there a problem with the "locales" package in debian testing? If I try to apt-get dist-upgrade, it is being kept back. If I do "apt-get install locales", it says that the "base-config" package will be removed... |
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| 11:57.51 | kicknick | no sep |
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| 11:59.04 | sep | kicknick, so it goes 3 houers in 1 ? :) |
| 11:59.11 | sep | kicknick, sounds like my vmware guest :P |
| 11:59.27 | sep | kicknick, any ntp server running that's adjusting your time ? |
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| 11:59.40 | kicknick | i havent installed any |
| 11:59.46 | Fox | adivoinea: base-config is going to be removed anyway |
| 12:00.05 | Fox | adivoinea: apt-cache show base-config |
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| 12:01.10 | adivoinea | Fox: cool, thanks! |
| 12:01.12 | killerbud | can anybody please tell me how to hide my ip on xchat irc im a newbie to linux/irc |
| 12:01.40 | kicknick | timezone is set to europe london |
| 12:01.53 | liable | killerbud: read the freenode faq |
| 12:02.22 | killerbud | ok |
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| 12:04.11 | liable | killerbud: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
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| 12:08.48 | killerbud | thanks ill be back on this channel later i guess bye |
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| 12:12.47 | pjv_ | hi i have just set up a primary dns(bind), and i would like to setup a secondary dns that does an update of the zone file from the primary dns, i'm just not to sure on how and what it uses to update it self from the primary and do i need to do anything to the primary besides adding my secondary dns to the SOA? |
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| 12:15.03 | ye_old | what is the ps-renderer in debian? mine seems broken under debian etch |
| 12:15.15 | liable | !tell B4ckBOne|-oFF about away |
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| 12:16.04 | wols_ | ghostscript probably |
| 12:16.46 | ye_old | wols_: thanks |
| 12:17.05 | erore | what is the paste web??? |
| 12:17.06 | Fox | pjv_: need to tell your primary that he has a slave, and need to tell the secondary he has a master |
| 12:17.21 | ye_old | something else: my local debian mirror refuses to let me do an apt-get update recently: mirror.switch.ch can someone confirm that? |
| 12:17.28 | liable | erore: /msg dpkg paste |
| 12:17.54 | liable | ye_old: just try another mirror.. |
| 12:18.26 | ye_old | liable: hm yes, it's just that this one has worked for half a year now |
| 12:18.30 | ye_old | it's just strange |
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| 12:21.27 | ye_old | at apt-get update at the end: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) ; E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? <--- what if my answer is no? |
| 12:21.41 | azeem | ye_old: no? |
| 12:21.50 | ye_old | no other process using it |
| 12:21.57 | azeem | ye_old: are you running aptitude or synaptic in another console? |
| 12:22.01 | azeem | are you root? |
| 12:22.08 | ye_old | azeem: as I said, no |
| 12:22.12 | ye_old | yes I am |
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| 12:22.37 | azeem | check your process lists of mentionings of dpkg or apt |
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| 12:22.59 | azeem | did your machine hang/reboot during dpkg operation maybe? |
| 12:23.24 | ye_old | none there |
| 12:23.31 | ye_old | oh, that could be |
| 12:23.36 | ye_old | I'll try a reboot |
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| 12:25.43 | gridline | Hi, I'm looking into buying a rachmounted server to run Sarge on, without too much trouble. Any advice on where to look for info? |
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| 12:32.55 | cmot | Yo all! |
| 12:33.19 | k31th | Can i rsync multipul dirs via rsync & shh ? |
| 12:33.20 | k31th | rsync -avz -e ssh remoteuser@remotehost:/remote/dir1 /remote/dir2 /remote/dir3 /local/dir/ |
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| 12:34.02 | cmot | debconf: templates.dat contains the default values, config.dat the real values. Anybody has a script (or can debconf do it on its own?) to list all non-default values? |
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| 12:34.25 | Shay | hi all |
| 12:34.34 | Shay | there is a french debian channel? |
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| 12:35.07 | azeem | !fr |
| 12:35.07 | dpkg | [fr] Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 12:35.14 | Shay | th |
| 12:35.15 | Shay | x |
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| 12:37.40 | KomiaPoika | hi, i'm trying to reinstall grub on a hard drive with an installed debian system. i'm booting install cd and selecting open shell. how do i then reinstall grub on the only available hard drive? |
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| 12:37.57 | jm_ | man grub-install |
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| 12:38.25 | KomiaPoika | will that work from my cd shell? |
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| 12:39.01 | fangel | in which package is the program "dig"? |
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| 12:39.06 | SlayerXP | KomiaPoika: radical idea, I know, but why not try it and see? |
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| 12:39.17 | KomiaPoika | it's still booting |
| 12:39.21 | b00st3r | áóðæóè åáàíûå |
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| 12:39.22 | petemc | fangel: dnsutils |
| 12:39.23 | SlayerXP | fangel: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 12:39.30 | b00st3r | ìóäàêè àìåðèêîñû |
| 12:39.36 | b00st3r | îòñîñû ïèçäàíóòûå |
| 12:39.49 | b00st3r | âàñ âñåõ ðà÷êîì åáàòü áóäóò |
| 12:40.15 | sussudio | o.k. |
| 12:40.18 | dimir | Èäè íà õóé. |
| 12:40.39 | azeem | b00st3r: this is an english channel, please write in english |
| 12:40.47 | fangel | petemc: thanks ;) I had tried like a dozen things.. dnstools, bindtools, etc.. ;) |
| 12:40.48 | azeem | or go to a language-specific debian chan |
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| 12:40.53 | sussudio | !ru |
| 12:40.53 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 12:41.00 | dimir | azeem: don't bother, this one is an idiot. |
| 12:41.11 | dimir | just ban the fscker. |
| 12:41.20 | b00st3r | ñàì ïîøåë íàõóé ÷óðåê âàíþ÷èé |
| 12:41.27 | b00st3r | ïèçäþê îòñîñíûé |
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| 12:41.41 | dimir | good. |
| 12:41.45 | KomiaPoika | jm_: i can't display any man page with the install cd's shell ... how do i reinstall grub? |
| 12:41.47 | azeem | b00st3r: please write in english |
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| 12:42.15 | azeem | dimir: is he really offensive or just clueless about the language? He has a real name set... |
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| 12:42.32 | valdyn | KomiaPoika: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 12:42.37 | dimir | azeem: totally offensive and disrespective to all. |
| 12:42.42 | azeem | dimir: thanks |
| 12:42.47 | dimir | no problemo. |
| 12:43.50 | KomiaPoika | valdyn: sh: grub-install: not found, do i need to specify a full path? |
| 12:44.09 | azeem | KomiaPoika: run it as root, for starters |
| 12:44.27 | valdyn | KomiaPoika: you need to run it on your installed debian |
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| 12:45.14 | KomiaPoika | azeem: i'm in the install cd |
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| 12:45.31 | KomiaPoika | valdyn: how do i start my installed system from the install cd? |
| 12:45.57 | azeem | mount it and chroot into it, I'd say |
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| 12:47.11 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: chroot and it will work |
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| 12:49.29 | KomiaPoika | how do i mount my hard drive from the install cd's shell?? there is no hda* whatsoever in /dev, and no /target dir that the shells claims the hard drive is mounted to |
| 12:49.52 | brammator | i have acx111-based wifi pci, acx.ko is loaded through booting automatically, but no wlan* in /proc/net/dev. how to fix that? |
| 12:50.10 | azeem | KomiaPoika: the installer uses devfs I think, so you will have to figure out the weird path |
| 12:50.16 | gridline | KomiaPoika, Might be unders /dev/disks/disk0/..... |
| 12:50.47 | Xteven | hi, is there a way to give a custom name to a kernel package created with make-kpkg ? I don't want the version to be in the name of the package |
| 12:51.32 | KomiaPoika | gridline: ok i'm in |
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| 12:51.54 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : you need to create /target, mount /dev/discs/disc0/partX to /target and then create /target/etc/fstab before continuing with the installer |
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| 12:53.09 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: if part1 is the partition that boots i have to reinstall grub there? |
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| 12:53.41 | Xteven | you have to install grub in the MBR |
| 12:53.48 | Xteven | and have the files in /boot |
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| 12:54.13 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: i can see my old fstab on the mounted partition already |
| 12:54.18 | Xteven | iirc, the installer calls "chroot /target /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda" |
| 12:54.33 | Xteven | ah |
| 12:54.41 | Xteven | its already installed :) |
| 12:54.41 | KomiaPoika | how do i now reinstall grub? |
| 12:54.45 | Xteven | chroot /target |
| 12:54.49 | KomiaPoika | yes, i'm trying to recover my old system |
| 12:55.04 | Xteven | you also need to mount /proc inside the chroot |
| 12:55.08 | KomiaPoika | ok then? |
| 12:55.09 | Xteven | then run grub-install /dev/hda |
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| 12:56.36 | KomiaPoika | done |
| 12:56.38 | KomiaPoika | can i reboot now.? |
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| 12:57.30 | Xteven | well |
| 12:57.40 | Xteven | to be on the safe side, umount /proc from /target |
| 12:57.44 | KomiaPoika | it says : no error reported |
| 12:57.45 | Xteven | then get out of the chroot |
| 12:57.52 | Xteven | umount /target |
| 12:57.54 | Xteven | and sync |
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| 12:58.00 | Xteven | but I'm paranoid :) |
| 12:58.04 | KomiaPoika | how do i exit chroot? |
| 12:58.07 | Xteven | after the sync you can reboot |
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| 12:58.13 | Xteven | just press ctrl-d |
| 12:58.18 | Xteven | or exit at the prompt |
| 12:58.33 | Xteven | chroot executes another bash |
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| 12:59.43 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: still can't boot the hard drive :( |
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| 13:00.15 | wamphyri | how do i go about fixing hostname: Unknown host and dnsdomainname: Unknown host ?? |
| 13:00.38 | azeem | wamphyri: edit /etc/hosts and/or /etc/hostname |
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| 13:00.57 | azeem | the former should be something like 127.0.0.1 localhost yourhost yourhost.yourdomain or so |
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| 13:01.14 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : hmmm odd |
| 13:01.20 | wamphyri | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost x1-6-00-0c-6e-39-43-aa |
| 13:01.23 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : what does it say ? |
| 13:01.24 | jordo23 | What is the current stable release's nickname....woody or sarge... |
| 13:01.28 | wamphyri | thats my /etc/hosts |
| 13:01.33 | azeem | jordo23: sarge |
| 13:01.37 | jordo23 | azeem: thanks |
| 13:01.49 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: i can access the files from another boot or another computers, but the hard drive can't boot for itself |
| 13:02.01 | wamphyri | azeem and hostname is just nocturnal |
| 13:02.19 | azeem | nocturnal? |
| 13:02.21 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : does it say the disk is not bottable ? or does it say "grub error 15" or so ? |
| 13:02.26 | azeem | is that what your box is called? |
| 13:02.54 | wamphyri | azeem nickname for the machine |
| 13:02.56 | wamphyri | :) |
| 13:02.57 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: no, it says "reboot and select proper boot device" ... hardware message just like before :( |
| 13:03.09 | azeem | wamphyri: then add that to the 127.0.0.1 line maybe |
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| 13:03.27 | KomiaPoika | one must be nuts to call his machine azeem |
| 13:03.27 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : what kind of computer is it ? |
| 13:03.41 | azeem | KomiaPoika: ? |
| 13:03.50 | Wiese | Have an mysql error, can login with "mysql -u root -p", but the program can't ?? |
| 13:03.52 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: a dumb p4 motherboard i had to replace and the hard drive won't boot since then |
| 13:03.56 | KomiaPoika | azeem: j/k |
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| 13:04.00 | wamphyri | azeem yeah that worked lol x1-6-00-0c-6e-39-43-aa << i replaced that with nocturnal |
| 13:04.18 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : your bios is setup to boot from it right ? :) |
| 13:04.21 | gejopaul | check mysql listen ports |
| 13:04.24 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: of course |
| 13:04.33 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: and partition marked bootable? |
| 13:04.42 | gejopaul | lsif -i:3306 |mostly listen on 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:04.51 | KomiaPoika | jm_: it used to since it booted before, but how do i check? |
| 13:04.51 | weissi | Wiese, does the program try to connect via tcp or mysql-socket? |
| 13:05.09 | gejopaul | please change it to other IPS |
| 13:05.22 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : you can use sfdisk -l /dev/discs/disc0/disc in the debian installer |
| 13:05.25 | Wiese | it's trying socket.. The program is postfix/trivial-rewrite |
| 13:05.35 | KomiaPoika | let me trye |
| 13:05.38 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: fdisk, does it say GRUB? that's one of the first things stage1 does |
| 13:06.41 | KomiaPoika | jm_: when i try grub from menu it offers me to rewrite partition tables but i'm afraid it erases the data |
| 13:06.51 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: what menu? |
| 13:06.56 | KomiaPoika | the install cd menu |
| 13:07.06 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: no, go on second console and run fdisk -l |
| 13:07.22 | KomiaPoika | you mean i open a shell from install cd menu? |
| 13:07.26 | Wiese | I have phpmyadmin and can use it on web and stuff like that.. |
| 13:07.30 | Xteven | alt-f2 |
| 13:07.30 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: like you did before, yes |
| 13:09.04 | KomiaPoika | booting... |
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| 13:09.55 | weissi | Wiese, try #mysql perhaps... |
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| 13:10.59 | Wiese | weissi: thx |
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| 13:12.14 | KomiaPoika | jm_: ok i mounted my hard drive in alt-f2 and chrooted to it |
| 13:12.30 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: no need to chroot, just list partition table |
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| 13:13.41 | KomiaPoika | jm_: with fdisk? |
| 13:13.48 | Xteven | fdisk -l |
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| 13:14.05 | Xteven | fdisk -l /dev/discs/disc0/disc outside of the chroot |
| 13:14.12 | Xteven | fdisk -l /dev/hda inside the chroot |
| 13:15.20 | nuxien | hello |
| 13:15.48 | Xteven | hi |
| 13:15.52 | nuxien | i have e kernel panic |
| 13:15.59 | nuxien | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1) |
| 13:16.16 | Xteven | did you upgrade the kernel recently ? |
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| 13:16.42 | nuxien | i made an update and upgrade à 10 o clock |
| 13:16.47 | jm_ | nuxien: you're missing drivers to access /dev/hda1 |
| 13:16.52 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: ok i see all my partitions with fdisk |
| 13:16.59 | KomiaPoika | using fdisk -l /dev/discs/disc0/disc |
| 13:17.00 | nuxien | but the kernel is a 2.6.15-1-k7 before 10 day |
| 13:17.11 | KomiaPoika | now how do i set the system partition bootable? |
| 13:17.17 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : is one of them marked bootable ? |
| 13:17.21 | Xteven | should have a '*' next to it |
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| 13:17.30 | nonix4 | How do I bruteforce-background a process halted on infinite-uninterruptible-disk-wait? |
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| 13:17.50 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: none of the linux partitions is |
| 13:17.56 | KomiaPoika | but it should |
| 13:18.46 | nuxien | jm_, i do what for repare my computer? |
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| 13:22.32 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: part1 is system, part3 is home and part5 is swap, how do i set part1 bootable? |
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| 13:22.52 | KomiaPoika | jm_ ? |
| 13:22.59 | fireba11 | KomiaPoika: man fdisk |
| 13:23.14 | weissi | KomiaPoika, on linux you don't need to set the partitions bootable, but you can, if you want... |
| 13:23.14 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: fdisk has help, use it |
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| 13:26.19 | wols_ | weissi: depends on the bootloader and where the bootloader is installed. if you install lilo/grub to /dec/hdaX, you better have /dev/hdaX set to bootable or it won't work |
| 13:27.28 | KomiaPoika | jm_: i try toggle a bootable flag on part1, but when i relist them, it's not set bootable |
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| 13:28.13 | Noboru | it is still debian sarge the stable release for right now ? |
| 13:28.25 | DECnet | yes |
| 13:28.33 | Noboru | I see |
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| 13:28.45 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: how did you set it? |
| 13:28.53 | weissi | wols_, thats true if you install it to /dev/hdaX, but I think most of us have it in the mbr |
| 13:28.57 | ye_old | aptitude tells me about some huge dependency issue with kleopatra, what is that? |
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| 13:28.59 | Noboru | brb |
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| 13:29.30 | KomiaPoika | jm_: from fdisk's menu option "a" |
| 13:29.34 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: and then? |
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| 13:29.52 | KomiaPoika | oh this time it worked |
| 13:29.54 | wols_ | ye_old: it's called "kde" |
| 13:30.04 | KomiaPoika | write and exit |
| 13:30.28 | ye_old | wols_: seems that I have to downgrade kde |
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| 13:31.33 | jm_ | KomiaPoika: I bet you forgot to write it |
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| 13:31.43 | ye_old | yeah, this is strange: apt-get upgrade with debian etch wants to upgrade kde, but then aptitude moans about the dependencies |
| 13:31.50 | KomiaPoika | :p |
| 13:31.53 | KomiaPoika | let me reboot |
| 13:32.04 | KomiaPoika | still can't boot :( |
| 13:32.24 | jm_ | does it say GRUB? |
| 13:32.29 | KomiaPoika | part1 is set bootable and the hard drive still can't boot :( |
| 13:32.31 | KomiaPoika | no |
| 13:32.40 | KomiaPoika | still the same motherboard message |
| 13:32.40 | jm_ | then the issue must be elsewhere |
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| 13:34.33 | IceTox | anyone know what the java package is named in apt-get ? |
| 13:34.41 | IceTox | like for firefox to work with java |
| 13:34.45 | wols_ | IceTox: there is none |
| 13:34.51 | IceTox | thought so |
| 13:34.58 | wols_ | at least not in official debian repositories |
| 13:35.03 | wols_ | license |
| 13:35.21 | wols_ | blackdown however has debs iirc |
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| 13:35.57 | elektron | hi, can someone help me? :0 |
| 13:36.27 | weissi | !ask |
| 13:36.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:36.28 | elektron | hehe |
| 13:36.42 | weissi | elektron, just ask :-) |
| 13:36.51 | elektron | can I download packages automaticly from internet with some manager like synaptic on ubuntu |
| 13:36.52 | weissi | we'll see if we can help you |
| 13:36.55 | elektron | i have Debian 3.1 |
| 13:37.00 | elektron | and I only have first CD.. |
| 13:37.06 | weissi | yes, with synaptic :-) |
| 13:37.06 | elektron | instalaltion one.. :) |
| 13:37.13 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : sorry, I was on the phone |
| 13:37.15 | elektron | but |
| 13:37.22 | elektron | there is not synaptic on first cd |
| 13:37.25 | KomiaPoika | Xteven: i think i'm screwed anyway |
| 13:37.31 | wols_ | elektron: then get aptitude |
| 13:37.41 | Xteven | afaik, the bootable flag is mickeysoft stuff |
| 13:37.41 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : how so ? |
| 13:37.41 | KomiaPoika | this hard drive won't boot even with bootable flag |
| 13:37.41 | shingouz | elektron: apt-get, aptitude, dselect |
| 13:38.04 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : I suppose it's an IDE disk ? does it have the jumper set to master ? |
| 13:38.13 | elektron | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.13 | elektron | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 13:38.14 | elektron | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 13:38.14 | elektron | update available list script returned error exit status 1. |
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| 13:38.17 | KomiaPoika | yes and it's alone on its map |
| 13:38.19 | weissi | elektron, then add "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ <your distro> main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:38.21 | KomiaPoika | nap |
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| 13:38.29 | KomiaPoika | i can read its files from the install cd |
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| 13:38.38 | Xteven | hmm ok |
| 13:38.42 | KomiaPoika | or another computer |
| 13:38.43 | weissi | elektron, then `apt-get install synaptic` to install synaptic |
| 13:38.45 | KomiaPoika | it just wont boot |
| 13:38.50 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : how old is your computer ? does the bios detect the drive ? |
| 13:38.51 | KomiaPoika | since i replaced the motherboard |
| 13:39.04 | KomiaPoika | yes, bios sees it as well but it won't boot |
| 13:39.19 | KomiaPoika | i can read my fstab etc. from the install cd when i mount it |
| 13:39.27 | Xteven | and you're sure that grub is installed on the disk ? |
| 13:39.32 | elektron | shiva:/home/elektron# apt-get install synaptic |
| 13:39.32 | shingouz | elektron: you are already installing something on the system, that is what the error means |
| 13:39.32 | elektron | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 13:39.32 | elektron | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 13:39.38 | elektron | i know |
| 13:39.38 | KomiaPoika | it was before and i reinstalled it now |
| 13:39.42 | shingouz | elektron: and do not paste here... :) |
| 13:39.43 | elektron | but I'm ot installing anything |
| 13:39.44 | gridline | KomiaPoika, is you installed grun on some partition. What is in the MBR? |
| 13:39.59 | KomiaPoika | i don't know |
| 13:40.03 | KomiaPoika | it used to boot on grub |
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| 13:40.08 | shingouz | elektron: you sure? check with ps |
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| 13:40.40 | elektron | it says here |
| 13:40.40 | weissi | elektron, du you run apt-get as root?? |
| 13:40.45 | elektron | that aptitude is runing |
| 13:40.50 | elektron | yes I run that as root |
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| 13:41.05 | shingouz | elektron: in that case aptitude is already installing sometihng |
| 13:41.08 | elektron | ok i killed that |
| 13:41.09 | ye_old | I need help with printing: using cups and a remote queue (lpr) I can print the testpage perfectly in the localhost:631 printer's page. But I can't print anything else: the printer works, but it puts out a paper with just black diagonal lines...looks wacko |
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| 13:41.13 | elektron | now |
| 13:41.19 | elektron | it says that synaptic is not available |
| 13:41.51 | weissi | elektron, what do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list (cd only or ftp.debian.org???) |
| 13:41.59 | shingouz | elektron: you can use aptitude to install synaptic if you like |
| 13:42.15 | Xteven | KomiaPoika : do you have another IDE disk handy ? you might see if your bios boots form that disk ? |
| 13:42.17 | ye_old | I also cannot print .ps .pdf or other filetypes, I assume the converting is rubbish, I use the HP Color LaserJet 1500 and the foomatic driver |
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| 13:42.35 | elektron | yes I have that file |
| 13:42.37 | elektron | sources.list |
| 13:42.50 | ye_old | elektron: more important is, what's inside ;) |
| 13:42.53 | weissi | elektron, and what is in there? |
| 13:43.07 | elektron | can i paste? |
| 13:43.16 | weissi | in #flood! |
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| 13:44.07 | ye_old | or on pastebin.com |
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| 13:44.19 | elektron | i pasted in #flood |
| 13:44.21 | weissi | elektron, then add "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ <your distro> main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:44.31 | darren_ | how to disable ipv6 totally?? |
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| 13:44.37 | elektron | just a sec |
| 13:44.40 | Irrumator | darren_: remove kernel support |
| 13:44.55 | weissi | elektron, and uncomment line 3 |
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| 13:45.18 | weissi | elektron, ( <your distro> = stable ) |
| 13:45.39 | elektron | just a sec |
| 13:45.53 | elektron | i have another problem but i'll get to it when I finish this :P |
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| 13:46.21 | weissi | elektron, fine :-) and after editing sources.list, enter apt-get update |
| 13:46.39 | incorrect | i am trying to read the exit codes from rsync in a bash script, does ayone know how to do this? |
| 13:46.39 | ye_old | grr, I need help on that printing mess, this is obviously not a printer model problem but a package in testing got messed |
| 13:46.39 | gridline | Well, I guess I have to buy a dell server because I can'ty find enough documentation on others. :( |
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| 13:47.05 | wols_ | documentation? |
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| 13:47.22 | darrh00 | Irrumator:but I am not used to build a custom kernel myself since I used debian.Is there no way to disable ipv4 unless I compile a kernel myself,that sounds boring. |
| 13:47.27 | gridline | info on weather or not in will run Sarge |
| 13:47.30 | fireba11 | gridline: what kind of server and what kind of documentation do you need ?? |
| 13:47.41 | darrh00 | :/s/ipv4/ipv6 |
| 13:47.45 | gridline | A rackmounted decent webserver |
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| 13:47.55 | fireba11 | gridline: sarge runs on pretty much anything |
| 13:47.58 | elektron | so this my distro |
| 13:48.03 | kevix | incorrect: $? (or read 'man bash') |
| 13:48.07 | wamphyri | grrr |
| 13:48.08 | elektron | is Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a Sarge - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607 |
| 13:48.17 | wamphyri | has anyone managed to get plesk installed onto debian 3.1? |
| 13:48.29 | gridline | The drivers in sarge are old. |
| 13:48.58 | fireba11 | gridline: what kind of hardware do you want ?? for server you need only lan and drives ... |
| 13:49.02 | gridline | With the itel I had software raid and sate were slowly ruining the disks |
| 13:49.08 | gridline | Intel |
| 13:49.24 | ye_old | I put it very simple now: Cups Printing Test Page prints perfectly, but the output print of anything else(from within any gtk/kde based app) is rubbish(the paper comes out with wild black lines, no recognition to the wanted page that should be printed). |
| 13:49.25 | gridline | Yes that masicly and a cdrom |
| 13:49.35 | fireba11 | gridline: slowly ruining the disks ? what the hell are you taking about ? |
| 13:49.41 | ye_old | What could be the reason for that? debian etch 2.6.12 |
| 13:49.44 | sep | gridline, sarge uses kernel 2.6.8 so ich5-6-7 will not be 100% supported. you can use a backported kernel for hardware newer then kernel 2.6.8 |
| 13:49.47 | incorrect | ty kevix |
| 13:50.11 | Coke | What tool (or part of /proc/asound) can I use to determine the hardware audio format of a specific playback device? |
| 13:50.20 | gridline | Disks would get more and more bed secords over month. With Raid1 keeping it up and running, but after about 6 month one disk would fail completely |
| 13:50.40 | fireba11 | gridline: what does debian have to do with that ß |
| 13:51.00 | sep | gridline, you can't break disks from using the wrong driver. :) |
| 13:51.17 | sep | gridline, you can fail to get the disc to recognice, but not break it |
| 13:51.24 | gridline | I thought that to, btu appearently you can. |
| 13:51.42 | fireba11 | sep: also if he keept using a drive with bad blocks and even wonders why it failed later i should hit him :-) |
| 13:51.50 | fireba11 | gridline: what makes you think so ? |
| 13:52.05 | elektron | security.debian.org is working |
| 13:52.08 | sep | gridline, apperently you had a bad batch of disks and it would have broken anyway |
| 13:52.10 | elektron | but this ftp.debian isnt |
| 13:52.16 | wols_ | gridline: that's BS. most probably a bad disk or the server was too hot |
| 13:52.17 | gridline | After replacing the disk with brand new one and syncing it heppend again, twice |
| 13:52.22 | elektron | can someone tell me how should I put the name of the distro? |
| 13:52.34 | wols_ | rule of thumb: disks must not go above 40°C |
| 13:52.42 | fireba11 | gridline: then probably the disks got too hot in your server |
| 13:52.51 | Ronin | elektron: put the name of the distro? |
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| 13:53.00 | sep | gridline, myrphy. we'v had the same on a w2k3 with scsi disks on raid5, it's a pain in the royal ass. but you can't blame the os running that's plain silly |
| 13:53.00 | elektron | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:53.07 | ye_old | elektron: there is massive documentation on that topic out there |
| 13:53.10 | wols_ | elektron: run apt-setup |
| 13:53.13 | elektron | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a Sarge main contrib |
| 13:53.19 | elektron | can I put like this |
| 13:53.26 | elektron | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a Sarge |
| 13:53.35 | wols_ | elektron: no. run apt-setup and you're done |
| 13:53.40 | Ronin | elektron: apt-setup |
| 13:53.41 | fireba11 | wols_: i ruined 2 WD 80 GB just by putting 3 disk in one of the small floppy-drive-cages ... ^^ the middle one failed twice untill i noticed it got way too hot ;-) |
| 13:53.51 | gridline | I'm inclined to belive you, but the company that sold us the machine did, blame it on just that. |
| 13:54.07 | wols_ | gridline: they blame it on anything that absolves them |
| 13:54.10 | sep | gridline, ofcouse they did hehehe didnt want to refund the disks :) |
| 13:54.21 | rizla_ | guys, I've a problem with udev: |
| 13:54.22 | fireba11 | gridline: well it's their choice who they blame .. but it's either bad disks or too much heat :-) |
| 13:54.22 | rizla_ | debianfab:~# apt-cache show udev |grep -i version |
| 13:54.22 | rizla_ | Version: 0.087-2 |
| 13:54.23 | rizla_ | Version: 0.086-1 |
| 13:54.23 | elektron | ok |
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| 13:54.27 | rizla_ | why this ? |
| 13:54.32 | elektron | it's working |
| 13:54.32 | elektron | thaks a lot |
| 13:55.14 | gridline | probably, but it was still odd. I'm going to do the backposrts thing, because I really want to stick to stable this time. So I want hardware including raid(1) that will work with it. |
| 13:55.56 | wols_ | gridline: whatever you do, get another server vendor than the last one, since that one stinks |
| 13:56.04 | gridline | Definately |
| 13:56.09 | elektron | I have another problem |
| 13:56.09 | elektron | it is with X |
| 13:56.09 | elektron | shiva:/home/elektron# kppp |
| 13:56.09 | elektron | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 13:56.09 | elektron | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
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| 13:56.15 | xoz_ | gridline: good hd have mechanisms to avoid damage from the software driver. it comes down to quality control and good ventilation. |
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| 13:56.45 | saloxin | any tips for random segfaults? processor fan still turning, thermal still cool to touch |
| 13:56.47 | gridline | Does dell have 'good hd' 's ? |
| 13:56.51 | gridline | For sata |
| 13:56.57 | elektron | and I have ATI RAge 128 gfx card |
| 13:57.18 | xoz_ | depends on the manufacturer |
| 13:58.02 | fireba11 | gridline: since about every hardware manufacturer had a bad series some time it's more a matter of taste ... you should check disks for a server bevore installing anyway ... |
| 13:58.43 | wols_ | slummer: memory bad? |
| 13:58.57 | fireba11 | saloxin: you did a memtest ? |
| 13:58.58 | wols_ | saloxin memory bad? or PSU flaky |
| 13:59.23 | wols_ | gridline: go to storagereview.com and check their reliability survey |
| 13:59.24 | saloxin | will do memtest overnight.. did a quick one now no obvious errors |
| 13:59.53 | fireba11 | saloxin: also moake sure CPU cooling is correctly attached ... try a burn-in test for the CPU |
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| 14:00.21 | elektron | can someone tell me what is with X? |
| 14:00.22 | fireba11 | saloxin: if it's random highest bet goes to memory, second highest to PSU :-D |
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| 14:00.32 | Ronin | elektron: x works fine why? |
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| 14:01.14 | wols_ | elektron: you running kppp as root probably but X as normal user |
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| 14:01.35 | wols_ | elektron: add your normal user to the dialout group |
| 14:02.28 | gridline | wol_, Will do that |
| 14:02.49 | elektron | hm |
| 14:02.53 | elektron | it works with user |
| 14:02.56 | elektron | thanks a lot guys |
| 14:04.11 | elektron | gotta go now |
| 14:04.14 | elektron | see you |
| 14:04.18 | elektron | thanks again :) |
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| 14:08.07 | wdamn | Hi, I'm trying to mount gmail fs on my debian sarge with mount -t gmailfs /usr/share/gmailfs/gmailfs.py /mnt/gmail/ -o username=yyy a gmail.com,password=zzzyyyy,fsname=P1pp0 |
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| 14:08.31 | wdamn | but munt -t gmailfs doesn't seem to be recognised |
| 14:08.47 | pgregory | Hi |
| 14:08.48 | wdamn | mount print his manual |
| 14:08.53 | xoz_ | wdamn: we don't support it here |
| 14:09.00 | azeem | xoz_: why not? |
| 14:09.01 | pgregory | I'm trying to install gcc4.1 on Debian unstable, any advice on how to do it? |
| 14:09.12 | azeem | wdamn: do you have gmailfs modules loaded? |
| 14:09.26 | pgregory | it (gcc4.1) seems to be on 'experimental', but apt-get doesn't seem to find anything. |
| 14:09.27 | xoz_ | azeem: isn't it illegal? |
| 14:09.36 | azeem | xoz_: no, I don't think so |
| 14:09.47 | wdamn | azeem, I've installed gmailfs and related packages |
| 14:09.51 | azeem | google doesn't tell you what to do with your mail space, AFAIK |
| 14:10.20 | azeem | wdamn: /usr/share/gmailfs/gmailfs.py <- that seems bogus |
| 14:10.32 | azeem | wdamn: did you check the gmailfs documentation? |
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| 14:11.07 | wdamn | azeem: no, the how to I read describe the operation as easy |
| 14:11.17 | wdamn | azeem: which gmailfs documentation? |
| 14:11.32 | azeem | wdamn: /usr/share/doc/<package> has the documentation |
| 14:11.38 | azeem | if there is any |
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| 14:12.13 | wdamn | azeem: now I take a look |
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| 14:19.25 | jetscreamer | what do i type to find out which groups the user 'hal' is in |
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| 14:20.14 | sc0rpi0 | JediMaster, id hal ? |
| 14:20.17 | Pryon | groups hal |
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| 14:20.54 | Pryon | id provides GIDs, though |
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| 14:24.22 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 14:24.34 | jetscreamer | yes i do resemble a jedi master though :) |
| 14:24.54 | Pryon | you're green and 3 feet tall? |
| 14:25.12 | jetscreamer | no, i'm brown... |
| 14:25.21 | jetscreamer | (full of shit :) ) |
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| 14:26.46 | timmeh | hey is there a prog that will install redhat packages on deb? |
| 14:26.55 | jetscreamer | alien |
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| 14:27.05 | jetscreamer | will convert to .deb then you install the new deb |
| 14:27.22 | timmeh | thankyou :D |
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| 14:30.27 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 14:30.30 | wwallace_lap | hi abrotman |
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| 14:34.46 | phyrster | anyone happen to come from New Jersy? |
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| 14:37.05 | wwallace_lap | me |
| 14:37.12 | wwallace_lap | phyrster: me |
| 14:37.18 | wwallace_lap | i dont come from there |
| 14:37.20 | wwallace_lap | im there |
| 14:37.37 | wwallace_lap | oops !telll wwallace_lap about enter |
| 14:37.46 | wwallace_lap | !telll wwallace_lap about enter |
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| 14:38.25 | jetscreamer | !lart wwallace_lap |
| 14:38.26 | azeem | wwallace_lap: behave |
| 14:38.40 | wwallace_lap | jetscreamer: hi |
| 14:38.59 | jetscreamer | did you see me wave? |
| 14:39.02 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:39.03 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:39.08 | wwallace_lap | yes i did :) |
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| 14:39.47 | wwallace_lap | azeem: behave? |
| 14:39.59 | wwallace_lap | what is it that bothered you? |
| 14:40.25 | blondie | wwallace_lap: glue eating |
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| 14:40.47 | wwallace_lap | blondie: dont get that expression or slang what you mean? |
| 14:40.50 | azeem | wwallace_lap: this is a support channel, either state your question, ot watch silently |
| 14:41.08 | wwallace_lap | support? |
| 14:41.25 | wwallace_lap | evrytime i get to ask something i get man this or man that thas not support |
| 14:41.43 | blondie | did you ask in coherent sentences? |
| 14:41.56 | wwallace_lap | i dont remember that was long time ago |
| 14:42.07 | wwallace_lap | i got tired of asking |
| 14:42.12 | azeem | wwallace_lap: so be quiet |
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| 14:42.20 | wwallace_lap | i wont |
| 14:42.35 | azeem | I ask you to, please |
| 14:42.39 | wwallace_lap | # debian never changes |
| 14:42.44 | wwallace_lap | ok ill leave bye |
| 14:42.53 | azeem | you don't have to leave |
| 14:42.57 | wwallace_lap | and c'mon put a little cheese in your lives :) |
| 14:43.01 | azeem | just don't flood the channel with off-topic noise |
| 14:43.17 | azeem | if you want to chat, use #offtopic |
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| 14:44.48 | Coke | I just built the kernel using make-kpkg and then installed the package. All the modules are there, the initrd was there and it booted fine, but now modprobe can't find the files even though they are there. Why is this? |
| 14:45.12 | xoz_ | Coke: what file? |
| 14:45.14 | azeem | maybe you need to run depmod? |
| 14:45.39 | xoz_ | Coke: and specific command you used |
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| 14:45.48 | Coke | xoz_: modprobe capability, for instnace |
| 14:46.05 | Coke | xoz_: modprobe and insmod does not find any modules at all and dmesg says "undefined symbol" |
| 14:46.11 | Coke | "unknown symbol" |
| 14:47.18 | xoz_ | Coke: capability? havent heard and seen it in /lib/modules. try find /lib/modules/ -iname "*capab*" |
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| 14:47.57 | Coke | xoz_: it is there. |
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| 14:48.14 | xoz_ | Coke: not in standard kernel i think. |
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| 14:49.02 | xoz_ | Coke: as azeem said, depmod -a |
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| 14:49.29 | Coke | xoz_: that did not do anything. |
| 14:49.39 | Coke | or, there's no change when loading modules. |
| 14:49.50 | xoz_ | Coke: ah, yeah it is there |
| 14:50.12 | xoz_ | i was looking at 2.4 kernel |
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| 14:50.41 | abrotman | azeem: he really does come in here and troll a lot |
| 14:51.10 | Coke | I'm thinking I needed to do a make-kpkg clean before running the image and module targets. |
| 14:51.13 | elirips | hello people. i need to build a new kernel for my sarge installation, at least 2.6.11. would you recommend that i take the lates 2.6.xx from kernel.org, or rather take 2.6.15-sources from unstable and compile that? |
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| 14:51.27 | EightiesK | can someone help me i'm trying to install debian but the network keeps failing. |
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| 14:51.44 | EightiesK | !dchp |
| 14:51.56 | azeem | dchp? |
| 14:52.03 | azeem | please /msg the bot |
| 14:52.07 | EightiesK | or what ever it is |
| 14:52.25 | xoz_ | EightiesK: dhcpcd |
| 14:52.38 | xoz_ | EightiesK: or dhclient |
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| 14:52.40 | EightiesK | i currently use ubuntu... |
| 14:52.45 | xoz_ | EightiesK: or pump |
| 14:52.47 | azeem | EightiesK: try #ubuntu then |
| 14:52.48 | EightiesK | i want to try out debian... |
| 14:52.52 | azeem | ah |
| 14:52.54 | azeem | sorry |
| 14:52.57 | EightiesK | i can't have it install |
| 14:53.03 | lsailor | looking for some help with qpopper... seems i am able to get my mail but not send from outlook... and pointers. |
| 14:53.04 | rash__ | i have problem with my sound card |
| 14:53.08 | azeem | EightiesK: where exactly in the install are you? |
| 14:53.22 | EightiesK | the dchp fails |
| 14:53.26 | azeem | at the network setup step? Or did you finish it and now try to access network after reboot? |
| 14:53.38 | EightiesK | network setup. |
| 14:53.43 | azeem | hrm |
| 14:53.45 | lsailor | I do not even see outlook hit the logs when checking mail, but nothing when sending it |
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| 14:54.22 | lsailor | ewps...i do see outlook hit the logs when checking... but not when sending |
| 14:54.29 | petemc | lsailor: surely qpopper has nothing to do with sending mail |
| 14:54.54 | lsailor | qpopper does not handle smtp? |
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| 14:54.59 | rash__ | i have problem with my sound card it not work 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 14:55.16 | Unetixs | I have a minor problem maybe you guys can help me with. I want to install qmail, but Exim is already installed. qmail's mail-transport-agent package conflicts with exim's exim4-daemon-light, but if I try to remove exim4-daemon-light with apt-get remove exim4-daemon-light it's trying to get rid of my MySQL package with it. How do I just nuke exim4-daemon-light? |
| 14:55.44 | xoz_ | EightiesK: are you sure there is a dhcp server running? you may need to configure the network by entering the IP manually |
| 14:55.46 | lsailor | i am able to send and recieve mail from webbased mail programs, but I can send mail with outlook |
| 14:55.57 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell Unetixs about equivs |
| 14:55.58 | EightiesK | azeem: i have comcast inet if that helps |
| 14:56.06 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: that being said, qmail sucks badly |
| 14:56.07 | bab_ | Hello! any1 know how to solve a "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776" error? |
| 14:56.15 | Zugschlus | !start an mta war |
| 14:56.15 | dpkg | postfix sucks |
| 14:56.38 | azeem | Zugschlus: you manipulated that factoid, admit it |
| 14:56.38 | Unetixs | why does qmail suck, and what would you use instead? |
| 14:56.50 | azeem | EightiesK: hrm, no idea |
| 14:56.54 | xoz_ | bab_: google? paste the error to google search |
| 14:57.07 | azeem | EightiesK: maybe you can try to finish the install without network and then try to fix it after reboot? |
| 14:57.18 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: qmail does only implement the standards that DJB felt like implementing five years ago, and he stopped touching the code many years ago. |
| 14:57.25 | EightiesK | how do you finish the install? |
| 14:57.26 | Zugschlus | Today, qmail is only useable with heavy patching. |
| 14:57.33 | EightiesK | it just goes red |
| 14:57.33 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: use postfix or exim |
| 14:57.43 | bab_ | I did... but whit google comes up with doesn't seem to be soooo helpful |
| 14:57.48 | Zugschlus | azeem: not guilty |
| 14:57.53 | xoz_ | EightiesK: are you using netinst? |
| 14:58.03 | Unetixs | Zugschlus: a quick google shows me that pretty much everyone uses qmail |
| 14:58.12 | rash__ | i have problem with my sound card it not work 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
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| 14:58.27 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: you googled wrong |
| 14:58.52 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: it is only that qmail fans are usually exceptionally vocal about their god |
| 14:58.58 | Unetixs | hm |
| 14:59.04 | Fox | I would even say hardly wrong |
| 14:59.11 | EightiesK | xoz_ yes |
| 14:59.25 | EightiesK | umm no |
| 14:59.28 | EightiesK | actually |
| 14:59.32 | Unetixs | well I'll test and configure exim first, since it's included by default anyway |
| 14:59.35 | xoz_ | EightiesK: and you have dhcp server running somewhere? |
| 14:59.36 | Unetixs | thanks for the tip, Zugschlus |
| 14:59.38 | EightiesK | i downloaded the 2 binary dvds |
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| 14:59.47 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: exim4, not exim, please. |
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| 15:00.06 | Unetixs | yeah, exim4 |
| 15:00.06 | xoz_ | EightiesK: if you have the binary, use it and update later. |
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| 15:00.25 | EightiesK | i dunno how to finish the install. |
| 15:00.39 | EightiesK | it seems alot diffrent than any other distro ive done. |
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| 15:01.58 | xoz_ | EightiesK: ubuntu uses most of debian install also. try escape until you are in the main menu. you better use the binary instead of netinstall if your network card is not detected. try also linux26 at bootprompt. |
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| 15:02.10 | igodoy | quieneres |
| 15:02.20 | EightiesK | k |
| 15:02.26 | lsailor | still looking for some help with sending mail from outlook... i amable to sendmail from webbased programs and I can get my mail iwth outlook...just not send it |
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| 15:03.03 | EightiesK | will i just type startx like i do with ubuntu to start kde or gnome? |
| 15:03.03 | lsailor | I see qpopper hit the logs to get mail...that works fine... but I can send |
| 15:03.34 | azeem | EightiesK: if you select the desktop task, gdm will run automatically |
| 15:03.40 | EightiesK | k |
| 15:03.40 | xoz_ | EightiesK: depends what is the content of .xsession. if you want dm, try /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 15:04.44 | xoz_ | even ubuntu doesnt start kde/gdm in startx. he must be dreaming. |
| 15:05.06 | Fox | lsailor: qpopper isn't a MTA, use exim4 or postfix |
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| 15:06.09 | xoz_ | pop server serves (wait and see) mail. smtp deliver (push) mail. |
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| 15:06.40 | lsailor | Fox: I am using sendmail as my MTA |
| 15:06.51 | fireba11 | fox: i'm wondering .. is mail so complex most people just don't understand how it works from the start or is it just not explained anywhere ? there are quite a lot of people asking the most basinc things usually |
| 15:07.10 | lsailor | Fox: I am able to send and recieve mail via webbased apps |
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| 15:08.28 | Fox | fireba11: well, I think people are quite confused with MUA, MTA, MDA, etc... it's not really complex, but there are many things to know :/ |
| 15:08.49 | Fox | lsailor: then sendmail allows only localhost to send mails, edit sendmail's configuration |
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| 15:09.54 | lsailor | Fox: sendmail seems to be working fine... I can send and recieve mail from yahoo to my server but outlook is where my problems lies |
| 15:10.01 | xoz_ | due to the principle: make a program as simple as possible and do only one function very well. smtp for sending and pop for retrieving. |
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| 15:10.19 | xoz_ | s/and do/that does/ |
| 15:10.25 | fireba11 | !smite lsailor for even mentioning outlook |
| 15:10.34 | Fox | lsailor: this is a sendmail configuration problem, your IP is not allowed to send mail via your server, change that and restart sendmail |
| 15:10.37 | lsailor | Fox: personally I do not use outlook, but my clients do and this is a new server and must get it working for them |
| 15:10.50 | Fox | lsailor: what's your job ? |
| 15:11.14 | lsailor | Fox: mostly web designer... but I do some hosting |
| 15:11.35 | Fox | lsailor: ok |
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| 15:12.24 | jetscreamer | outlook is your god |
| 15:12.26 | Fox | lsailor: try to use SASL with sendmail, your users could then authenticate using login/password and be able to send mail |
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| 15:12.53 | fireba11 | fox personally i would not tough sendmail .. ;-) |
| 15:12.58 | fireba11 | touch even |
| 15:13.08 | xoz_ | regardless whether they use outlook or any mail reader, the principle is the same. |
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| 15:13.34 | Fox | fireba11: I vener ever used sendmail, I'm a postfix fan :) |
| 15:13.43 | fireba11 | xoz_ as long as you don't find a mail client violating several RFCs .. yes :-) |
| 15:13.47 | Fox | s/vener/never/ |
| 15:13.49 | Liquid_Ic | What is the best way to completely backup bit for bit a compact flash card? |
| 15:13.55 | xoz_ | fireba11: for example? |
| 15:13.59 | Fox | Liquid_Ic: dd ? |
| 15:14.02 | fireba11 | fox: got a little postfix experience, but am using exim4 normally |
| 15:14.06 | lsailor | Fox: hmmmm funny thing is... I have this working on my other server... older version or debian... I dont use SALS on the other server |
| 15:14.19 | Fox | fireba11: how can you read that conf file !! :) |
| 15:14.31 | Liquid_Ic | last time i used dd, it was on a mounted partition and i screwed it up. Should i use a live cd and back it up in there? |
| 15:14.37 | Fox | lsailor: do you clients have static IPs ? |
| 15:14.56 | lsailor | Fox: nope |
| 15:15.05 | Fox | ôO |
| 15:15.07 | fireba11 | xoz_ am trying to remember the name .. there is some enterprise-package that offers e-mail that sends invalid mails that get discarded by any sane mailserver ;-) |
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| 15:15.23 | Fox | lsailor: then maybe pop before smtp (eeeerk) ? |
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| 15:15.47 | xoz_ | fireba11: im sure that mail client will disappear after some time. |
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| 15:15.58 | fireba11 | fox: am using split config .. took 2-3 hours to get used to what-goes-where but it's rather easy .. nice thing is you can just trow another config in the appropriate folder and it gets included on next update-exim.conf |
| 15:16.03 | lsailor | Fox: They set "my server does require authentication"... on the old server and it seems to work fine |
| 15:16.09 | fireba11 | xoz_ yes .. it's rather horrible |
| 15:16.12 | anez | nessuno parla in italiano? |
| 15:16.23 | stew | !it |
| 15:16.23 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 15:16.56 | Fox | lsailor: then you're using SASL without knowing it ? :) |
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| 15:17.50 | Fox | fireba11: even splited I thought that was not *human readable* :/ |
| 15:17.57 | lsailor | Fox: hehe... so what do I need to do to get that happening on the new server |
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| 15:18.07 | fireba11 | Fox: to change exim to ssl/sasl with auth i did need only one line of config changed, 1 file added and a certificate generated .. rather trivial if you think about it |
| 15:18.25 | xoz_ | apt-cache search sasl |
| 15:18.41 | Fox | lsailor: google a bit for sendmail + sasl ? |
| 15:18.41 | fireba11 | Fox: you're not supposed to edit them anyway .. just uncomment a block maybe or add a new one |
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| 15:18.50 | Fox | fireba11: ok |
| 15:18.57 | tonix | hi folks, i got a http server inside my lan and a debian firewall with iptables. I can contact the web server from the internet (thanks to dnat) but i can't connect to the web server from the lan clients... any ides? |
| 15:18.58 | tonix | thanks |
| 15:19.01 | lsailor | Fox: thanks |
| 15:19.22 | fireba11 | Fox: debian version si pretty neat since it got a possible auth mechanisms set up already, you just need to uncommend what you want :-) |
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| 15:19.41 | fireba11 | s/a/all |
| 15:19.45 | Fox | fireba11: that's rather cool :) |
| 15:20.06 | brammator | how to find absolute path for firmware files checked by some modules? modprobe ... debug=0xffff doesn't show anything about paths. is that path handled by firmware_class.ko only? |
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| 15:20.20 | xoz_ | tonix: because the webserver is configure to listen to a network address that your internal network is using? |
| 15:20.28 | xoz_ | *configured |
| 15:20.59 | tonix | no, because the webserver is visible from internet... |
| 15:21.04 | Sleeper | is it possible to configure xscreensaver that it turns of xmms when i lock the screen and turns it back on during unlock ? |
| 15:21.29 | fireba11 | tonix: how did you try to connect to it ? |
| 15:21.42 | tonix | well, the clients try to connect to a public ip configured on the firewall, not direcly to the private ip of the webserver.. |
| 15:22.12 | dww | I have over 1GB of files on CD-ROM UDF format compressed by winrar. How can I read CD & unziip files in Linux (Debian) |
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| 15:22.34 | tonix | fireba11: links pub.lic.i.p ----> works fine, the connection is routed to the internal web server.... |
| 15:22.36 | xoz_ | tonix: the webserver is in the same network with the private network? |
| 15:22.37 | tonix | ..but... |
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| 15:23.00 | tonix | links puv.lic.i.p from the internal lan give me access denid... |
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| 15:23.18 | tonix | xoz_: yes, the webserver is in the seame network |
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| 15:23.38 | xoz_ | tonix: but you cannot connect to it from the private network? |
| 15:24.11 | tonix | yes, right, i can't connect to it from the private network... |
| 15:24.11 | fireba11 | tonix: question is fi its routed from private entwork too |
| 15:24.39 | xoz_ | tonix: you may need a bridge |
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| 15:24.59 | xoz_ | tonix: or configure your webserver to listen to private address |
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| 15:25.08 | tonix | xoz_ well, i was hoping that a simple iptables rules was enuogh.... |
| 15:25.19 | tonix | like a dnat |
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| 15:25.43 | ToughMcCuddllo | Hi guys. I have a quick question that is probably not easy to Answer. I am new to Linux. |
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| 15:25.57 | fireba11 | ToughMcCuddllo: just ask |
| 15:25.57 | xoz_ | tonix: the problem is what IP address does the webserver returns? public or private? |
| 15:26.03 | ToughMcCuddllo | OK, thanks |
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| 15:26.35 | ToughMcCuddllo | I have just recently bought a new laptop, Acer Aspire 5670, Intel Duo, Ati X1400, I would like to run linux on it |
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| 15:27.04 | ToughMcCuddllo | Is there a Debian distro that would support it that I could also use for my desktop? |
| 15:27.08 | tonix | well, i think that the packets does'nt arrive to the webserver! |
| 15:27.23 | Coke | I have built a kernel using make-kpkg, now when I try to load a module I get "unknown symbol" errors and it fails. How can I fix this? |
| 15:27.29 | tonix | xoz_: they are rejected from the firewall... |
| 15:27.40 | xoz_ | tonix: the comp where the webserver resides has one network interface? |
| 15:27.59 | tonix | xoz_: y |
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| 15:28.01 | fireba11 | ToughMcCuddllo: it should work with a recent kernel |
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| 15:28.25 | ToughMcCuddllo | And with this recent kernel could I run it on my AMD desktop? |
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| 15:28.42 | xoz_ | tonix: the private network should not pass thru the firewall. it should go directly to the webserver. perhaps, the firewall expects connection from real internet address, not private network address. |
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| 15:29.20 | ToughMcCuddllo | fireba11: will I need a different MinialCD for each system? |
| 15:29.54 | xoz_ | tonix: if the server is in the private network, can you connect using the ip address instead of using FQDN? |
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| 15:30.04 | fireba11 | ToughMcCuddllo: no .. you can ahve a quick try with a live-CD .. that is a linux distribution bootable from CD to check for hardware support, i suggest using knoppix |
| 15:30.39 | fireba11 | ToughMcCuddllo: but you can use a debian netinstall ... you might need one with a new kernel for all hardware to work though |
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| 15:31.09 | ToughMcCuddllo | frieba11 : I have used a Dreamlinux live CD on my desktop and it worked. A friend is currently borrowing the CD. |
| 15:31.17 | ToughMcCuddllo | fireba11: do you have a link? |
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| 15:31.30 | tonix | xoz_ yes, you're perfectly right, this is what i supposed it would happen...but how can the packets contact the webserver if they try to connect to the public ip of the firewall??? |
| 15:31.52 | tonix | xoz_: this is the problem! |
| 15:32.01 | fireba11 | ToughMcCuddllo: link for what ? |
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| 15:32.57 | ToughMcCuddllo | Where this new kernel? Or is it just most recent one? |
| 15:33.16 | ToughMcCuddllo | fireba11 : I am very green when it comes to this stuff. |
| 15:33.17 | xoz_ | tonix: i think you have to hack two nameservers. one nameserver points outside and the other points inside so that when you request from the inside, it will return local ip. you need to read DNS. the latest one support this feature very well. |
| 15:33.34 | fireba11 | ToughMcCuddllo just try installing with 2.6.8 from sarge .. if it lacks support for seomething important there are custom installers with 2.6.15 f.ex. |
| 15:33.47 | xoz_ | tonix: the latest DNS require only one namserver managing external and internal zones. |
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| 15:34.06 | s-andy | hi, all |
| 15:34.21 | dww | I have over 1 GB of files on CD's formatted by UDF I would like to access them through Linux. Secondly they are compressed by WinRAR. Any ideas? |
| 15:34.28 | snail | I'm running stable, and would like to run the grease monkey extension for moz firefox. I'm not sure whether I should download the latest moz and greasemonkey as a user, or keep hunting for debs someplace... any ideas? |
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| 15:34.40 | s-andy | is there any boot loader that can be installed from bootable cd and that can normally detect hardware and operating systems? |
| 15:35.05 | tonix | xoz_: thanks a lot for your support! |
| 15:35.12 | lsailor | Fox: I am not seeing anything in my working sendmail.mc that looks like SASL? |
| 15:35.14 | snail | s-andy: sure, you can do that with knoppix and grub, I believe |
| 15:35.21 | fireba11 | s-andy: what are you trying to do ? |
| 15:35.37 | xoz_ | tonix: and you may configure two ip for the webserver and configure it to listen to two virtual addresses depending on which network it received the request. |
| 15:36.15 | sambrista | hello! I've got problems :( . My debian 2.4.27 doesn't load the modules written in /etc/modules . Can anyone help me? |
| 15:37.04 | s-andy | i have installed debian on new em64t box. it has two hards with linux and windows. i don't know why but grub cannot get to the mbr of the harddisk with windows. |
| 15:37.20 | yggdrasil | hello, is there any way i can make my mouse move to the upper right corner of the screen when i boot up ? |
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| 15:37.31 | yggdrasil | im thinkig of some sort of script... |
| 15:37.33 | s-andy | this box must be usable without harddisk with linux. |
| 15:37.38 | ToughMcCuddllo | fireba11 : what is sarge? Sorry, I'm really new to this. |
| 15:38.00 | fireba11 | ToughMcCuddllo http://www.us.debian.org/releases/ |
| 15:38.02 | sambrista | ToughMcCuddllo : Sarge is a debian distribution |
| 15:38.04 | s-andy | seems like grub works incorrectly with hardware and just does not see windows disk mbr... |
| 15:38.09 | ToughMcCuddllo | Thank you |
| 15:38.13 | sambrista | ToughMcCuddllo> the stable one |
| 15:38.23 | lsailor | Fox: you still around... it appears that the working server uses SASL and the new server uses SASLv2 |
| 15:38.27 | fireba11 | s-andy: doubt that |
| 15:38.29 | thingfish | !tell ToughMcCuddllo about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 15:38.58 | s-andy | fireba11: i believe! but do not see another reason. |
| 15:39.18 | Fox | lsailor: that's a good thing I would say |
| 15:39.29 | sambrista | hello! I've got problems :( . My debian 2.4.27 doesn't load the modules written in /etc/modules . Can anyone help me? |
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| 15:39.55 | s-andy | i change disk boot priority in bios but the box always loads linux hard... and never get to windows. |
| 15:39.55 | xoz_ | sambrista: what module? |
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| 15:40.15 | xoz_ | sambrista: what is the error? |
| 15:40.20 | lsailor | Fox: but I am not sure what to do to make the v2 work. I am not seeing any SASL lines in the working version...so I have no idea what to add to the new sendmail.mc |
| 15:40.33 | ToughMcCuddllo | fireba11: Okay here is another problem I am having. What architecture would my laptopPC be? |
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| 15:40.39 | rash__ | what module i must have with "Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)" |
| 15:40.43 | Fox | lsailor: neither do I, I never used sendmail |
| 15:40.51 | fireba11 | s-andy: as far as i know you need to add windows partition to grub manually |
| 15:40.53 | xoz_ | rash__: alsaconf |
| 15:41.00 | s-andy | i did it... |
| 15:41.06 | fireba11 | ToughMcCuddllo: what CPU does it have ? |
| 15:41.12 | rash__ | xoz, thx |
| 15:41.13 | lsailor | Fox: hehe.. thanks... I will try #sendmail.. thanks for the help |
| 15:41.24 | ToughMcCuddllo | Intel Duo Centrino |
| 15:41.29 | s-andy | fireba11: but when i unplug linux disk box reports grub error |
| 15:41.32 | sambrista | xoz_ : the error is that I write usb-storage and 8139too in /etc/modules so the kernel loads them at startup |
| 15:41.56 | sambrista | xoz_ : but it doesn't load them. As if /etc/modules were in blank |
| 15:42.00 | xoz_ | sambrista: try /etc/init.d/module-init-tools restart |
| 15:42.38 | xoz_ | sambrista: make sure that file is started during bootup |
| 15:42.56 | Fox | lsailor: you're welcome |
| 15:43.09 | xoz_ | sambrista: man update-rc.d to configure it to run on startup |
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| 15:43.14 | lsailor | :) |
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| 15:43.41 | fireba11 | ToughMcCuddllo think centrino would be 686 ... you can always use 386 and try what kernel works later without risk |
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| 15:44.16 | sambrista | module-init-tools appears in /etc/init.d/ |
| 15:44.17 | xoz_ | usually 686 works well for pentium III and IV and Centrino |
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| 15:44.25 | s-andy | i need to be able to install boot loader without mounting linux root partitions etc |
| 15:44.32 | ToughMcCuddllo | fireba11: ok Thank you. |
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| 15:44.39 | xoz_ | sambrista: what happens when you restart it? it loads those modules? |
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| 15:45.00 | sambrista | xoz_ : last times i tried, it didn't |
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| 15:45.49 | xoz_ | sambrista: now, as root, try /etc/init.d/modutils restart |
| 15:45.59 | xoz_ | sambrista: now, as root, try /etc/init.d/module-init-tools restart |
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| 15:46.54 | sambrista | done |
| 15:47.03 | Sonny | Hello can you tell me how to load automatically some modules everty time that my pc boots? |
| 15:47.17 | abrotman | Sonny: /etc/modules |
| 15:47.22 | abrotman | or use modconf |
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| 15:47.38 | yggdrasil | hello, is there any way i can make my mouse move to the upper right corner of the screen when i boot up ? im thinking of some sort of script ... |
| 15:47.43 | xoz_ | sambrista: do the mods loaded? are they listed being loaded? |
| 15:47.53 | sambrista | yes they did |
| 15:48.00 | yggdrasil | basicly mplayer runs and the mouse is right in the middle of it and box doesn have a mouse conected... |
| 15:48.07 | EightiesK | hey |
| 15:48.15 | abrotman | yggdrasil: do you want a mouse at all ? |
| 15:48.25 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: read libgpmg1-dev |
| 15:48.32 | EightiesK | i sucsessfully installed debian :-) |
| 15:48.33 | abrotman | or that ... |
| 15:48.35 | yggdrasil | abrotman yes i do want my mouse.. |
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| 15:48.44 | yggdrasil | xoz ill do it |
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| 15:49.11 | bnoji | Anyone have any recommendations for a cheap switch with a monitoring port? |
| 15:49.35 | yggdrasil | xoz_ is it a man page or what ? |
| 15:49.55 | xoz_ | sambrista: update-rc.d module-init-tools defaults |
| 15:50.01 | yggdrasil | abrotman i didnt see anything in the mplayuer configs for making the mouse go away ... |
| 15:50.09 | abrotman | i don't use mplayer ... |
| 15:50.13 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: apt-cache show ... |
| 15:50.15 | abrotman | but i think X has an option to run with no mouse |
| 15:50.27 | raz | I'm having trouble with docbook-xsl; I want to place some additional navigation links at the top of the page; the docs suggest setting a template called user.header.navigation, but not how to do this. "--stringparam user.header.navigation some-text" doesn't appear to have any effect. It looks as though /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/html/docbook.xsl has a placeholder with this name; can I provide my text without copying and al |
| 15:50.36 | bnoji | i cant find any product pages that mention port mirroring |
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| 15:50.46 | yggdrasil | abrotman well i could jsut edit the xorg.conf and get rid of it . but i want it .. jsut wanna move it to the upper cornere.. |
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| 15:50.57 | abrotman | ok |
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| 15:51.25 | xoz_ | sambrista: or try first: update-rc.d -f module-init-tools remove; update-rc.d module-init-tools defaults |
| 15:51.31 | Sonny | abrotman: I did that: 1. modprobe xxxxxx, 2. /etc/init.d/module-init-tools and 3. update-modules, is it correct? |
| 15:51.31 | yggdrasil | been working on it for 3 days.. sometimes the simpleset things are the hardest. |
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| 15:51.39 | sambrista | xoz_ : i did but it told me that it already existed. I did it for modutils and it started to work |
| 15:51.51 | abrotman | Sonny: i told you .. use modconf or etc /etc/modules |
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| 15:51.54 | abrotman | or edit |
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| 15:52.07 | kerric | hello can anyone answer a wireless question |
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| 15:52.17 | Ronin | only if you ask a wireless question kerric |
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| 15:52.24 | xoz_ | sambrista: try remove first as i suggest above. |
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| 15:52.45 | sambrista | xoz_ : done |
| 15:52.46 | xoz_ | sambrista: then, it should load on boot. |
| 15:52.57 | kerric | Yes newibee to linux how can i do a site survey |
| 15:53.00 | sambrista | xoz_ : Im gonna try, thanks in advance |
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| 15:53.54 | s-andy | so no suggestions on third party boot loaders? |
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| 15:54.21 | yggdrasil | been working on it for 3 days.. sometimes the simpleset things are the hardest. |
| 15:55.03 | yggdrasil | xoz_ iits allready installed |
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| 15:55.20 | raz | Any docbook experts in the room? |
| 15:55.34 | Ronin | s-andy: you dont like the built in ones? |
| 15:55.35 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: read how to use the libs to hack your mouse position :) |
| 15:55.58 | yggdrasil | xoz_ i will do .. on google i guesse ? |
| 15:56.33 | abrotman | !tell solemnwarning about away |
| 15:56.51 | abrotman | solemnwarning: why do you insist on doing that? Are you incapable of reading your irc client's documentation? |
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| 15:57.04 | s-andy | Ronin: i like and very... but as i wrote above - they do not allow all things... |
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| 15:57.37 | EightiesK | how do i make my resolution bigger than 800x600? |
| 15:57.48 | xoz_ | s-andy: third party is worst than the GNU ones. |
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| 15:58.13 | xoz_ | EightiesK: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86|xorg |
| 15:58.26 | s-andy | xoz_: right. but partially working system is worth than fully... :) |
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| 15:58.50 | s-andy | xoz_: may be there is any external gpl-ed loader... |
| 15:58.57 | kjdyslex | What would be the best way to add X/gui to a debian system? |
| 15:59.13 | xoz_ | s-andy: are you sure the third party can provide you that? i don't think grub can't do it. i will blame *you* for not being able to configure grub properly. |
| 15:59.25 | AciD | kjdyslex > apt-get install xfce4 |
| 15:59.34 | AciD | ;) |
| 15:59.38 | abrotman | no |
| 15:59.46 | abrotman | kjdyslex: what desktop do you want to use? |
| 16:00.08 | abrotman | xfce4 sucks .. it's just horrible .. only a five year old can use it |
| 16:00.14 | kjdyslex | not sure, prob something light |
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| 16:00.27 | abrotman | kjdyslex: so not kde or gnome? |
| 16:00.29 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 16:00.30 | kjdyslex | Isn't X it's own installable? |
| 16:00.35 | kjdyslex | def'n not gnome |
| 16:00.40 | AciD | xfce4 is light, or you can use fluxbox |
| 16:00.43 | elephantMan | How can i know what is the charset of a file ? |
| 16:00.43 | s-andy | xoz_: i spent much time trying to corrent... it is not problem to install grub. |
| 16:00.45 | abrotman | kjdyslex: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 16:00.52 | abrotman | xfce is a pile of bloat! |
| 16:00.53 | kjdyslex | and KDE is pretty sluggish on Kubuntu with an Athlon 1800 |
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| 16:01.00 | s-andy | xoz_: i'll describe full situation... |
| 16:01.01 | abrotman | kjdyslex: running off a CD ? |
| 16:01.01 | elephantMan | If a file was encoded with UTF8 or ISO...etc |
| 16:01.04 | AciD | abrotman > that's an opinion |
| 16:01.05 | kjdyslex | x-window-system is the base right? |
| 16:01.09 | abrotman | Acid: not really |
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| 16:01.15 | petemc | abrotman: it is |
| 16:01.17 | abrotman | kjdyslex: or x-window-system-core |
| 16:01.19 | kjdyslex | Off a CD? |
| 16:01.19 | juhov | elephantMan: try the "file" command |
| 16:01.22 | EightiesK | xoz_: comand not found |
| 16:01.23 | xoz_ | s-andy: that's better instead of looking for virtual third party solution |
| 16:01.25 | elephantMan | juhov, ok thanx |
| 16:01.26 | abrotman | petemc: is what? |
| 16:01.32 | petemc | abrotman: an opinion.. |
| 16:01.43 | abrotman | petemc: compared to *box or ion .. it's blaoted :) |
| 16:01.43 | priscila | abrotman: xfce4 is good if you havent enough memory |
| 16:01.49 | kjdyslex | x-window-system will give me a base X installation, right? |
| 16:01.51 | xoz_ | EightiesK: are you in stable debian? |
| 16:02.06 | abrotman | kjdyslex: yes .. it will give you X .. no window manager |
| 16:02.09 | thingfish | kjdyslex: yes |
| 16:02.09 | EightiesK | yes i had to linux26 to install... |
| 16:02.13 | xoz_ | EightiesK: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 16:02.40 | kjdyslex | and then I can apt-get whatever window manager I want, correct? |
| 16:02.50 | thingfish | yes |
| 16:02.51 | sambrista | xoz_ : it worked! Thanks! |
| 16:02.56 | abrotman | kjdyslex: yes |
| 16:02.58 | kjdyslex | What's the diff between x-window-system-core and x-window-system? |
| 16:03.17 | s-andy | xoz_: hardware is "p5gdc deluxe". it is of my friend. he installed win2000 on 200mb harddisk. he also has another disk (some kind of removable (rack)) where he installed winxp and we installed debian... |
| 16:03.19 | abrotman | a few extra things you may never use .. they're both metapackages |
| 16:03.36 | xoz_ | sambrista: what happened why your module-init-tools startup link was removed? anyway, you know what to do next time |
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| 16:03.47 | kjdyslex | ok, so x-window-system it is, approx how long will that take to apt-get? |
| 16:03.58 | abrotman | kjdyslex: http://xwinman.org/ |
| 16:04.02 | mike-_- | what on earth is up with udev these days ? |
| 16:04.03 | s-andy | xoz_: another disk is 40mb. he put his 200mb disk on raid connection. and 40mb (linux) disk is connected to ide. |
| 16:04.07 | abrotman | kjdyslex: depends on your net connection |
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| 16:04.56 | kjdyslex | I am not sure if I can detach that and let it run, if I start now over ssh I don't want it to die if the session dies |
| 16:05.02 | sambrista | xoz_ : I installed debian by internet, my modutils startup link was removed too. Now it works, but there are a few things i want to improve |
| 16:05.08 | s-andy | xoz_: when i was installing 40mb disk is /dev/hde. after installation it is /dev/hda (don't understand how). i tried many methods to install grub into 200gb disk. but it is always installed into 40gb disk. |
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| 16:05.43 | nonix4 | Is changing (enlarging) LVM partition (PV) size a braindead idea? Should I just change the another partition into another PV and then have two PVs on the same disk, belonging to the same VG? |
| 16:05.46 | abrotman | kjdyslex: it's going to ask you questions .. it shouldn't take that long .. maybe 20 minutes on a slower DSL line |
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| 16:06.11 | s-andy | xoz_: i tried to change boot priority in bios. nevertheless it is still installed at 40gb. |
| 16:06.17 | kjdyslex | cool I'll start it now then |
| 16:06.22 | elektron | can someone help me with aptitude |
| 16:06.29 | elektron | I just did apt-setup |
| 16:06.33 | kjdyslex | thanks for the info, I am sure I'll be sticking around with config questions hehe |
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| 16:06.36 | elektron | and it downloaded some packages |
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| 16:06.45 | Ronin | elektron: so far so good |
| 16:06.46 | xoz_ | s-andy: there is a map command in grub. try info grub and look for the discussion in drive mapping. i think this is a bios issue which grub can address thru some mapping directives. the info file discusses many possibilities. try to hack on it. |
| 16:06.50 | elektron | and now says smth like |
| 16:06.52 | elektron | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.debian.org Debian/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_Debian_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 16:07.02 | s-andy | xoz_: problem is that when we remove 40gb disk. win2000 is not booting any more |
| 16:07.05 | abrotman | kjdyslex: do you know what kind of video card you have? |
| 16:07.24 | Peizhao | anyone have idea about "compiled for a big endian system and target is little endian" when system try to LD files |
| 16:07.36 | kjdyslex | yeah it's a Matrox G550, well supported for other linux uses, not sure about X |
| 16:07.48 | elektron | Ronin: do you know how to config this apt? |
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| 16:08.01 | kjdyslex | however when if I run X I will prob use a newer card and accelerated drivers |
| 16:08.06 | abrotman | kjdyslex: i believe that's the MGA driver |
| 16:08.21 | s-andy | xoz_: too much to hack... :) i think the bios is buggy. my friend updated it some time ago :) |
| 16:08.28 | sambrista | Anyone knows how to make users be able to switch off the computer?? |
| 16:09.00 | Fox | elektron: change Debian to debian maybe ? |
| 16:09.06 | xoz_ | s-andy: yeah, the bios i think is more to blame and even if you use thirdparty, the issue is the same. |
| 16:09.07 | elektron | in /etc/? |
| 16:09.09 | s-andy | xoz_: it would be great to have loader that can "get" all this troubles... |
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| 16:09.17 | abrotman | sambrista: do you use GDM ? |
| 16:09.18 | Fox | elektron: can't you do that via apt-setup ? |
| 16:09.26 | Peizhao | yes, /etc/apt/source.list |
| 16:09.27 | sambrista | abrotman : yes |
| 16:09.29 | xoz_ | s-andy: grub has several options if you read the examples. |
| 16:09.30 | s-andy | xoz_: may be you're right... |
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| 16:09.48 | xoz_ | s-andy: google for examples, im sure not only you has this problem. |
| 16:09.53 | kjdyslex | abrot: I am running SID with many of the latest pkgs, should I be worried about that? |
| 16:09.59 | s-andy | xoz_: i know grub well. i did not see earlier such kind of troubles... :( |
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| 16:10.15 | Peizhao | have idea about "compiled for a big endian system and target is little endian" when system try to LD files |
| 16:10.16 | kjdyslex | or is it called SID, I forget,m the testing stuff is what I am running |
| 16:10.27 | elektron | i did that |
| 16:10.30 | abrotman | sambrista: there are options in the gdm.conf .. SystemMenu=True and SecureSystemMenu=False |
| 16:10.35 | abrotman | sambrista: or something like that |
| 16:10.39 | s-andy | xoz_: i was googling... may be i specified wrong keywords... |
| 16:10.44 | abrotman | !tell kjdyslex about sid faq |
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| 16:10.44 | elektron | Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 16:10.45 | elektron | Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main Release |
| 16:10.45 | elektron | Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main Sources |
| 16:10.45 | elektron | Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main Release |
| 16:10.46 | elektron | Reading Package Lists... Done |
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| 16:10.55 | xoz_ | s-andy: if this is so common, i think somebody has already hack on it. this is the advantage of GNU. anybody can solve the problem the commonly encountered by other people... way faster than the third party you have in mind. |
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| 16:11.23 | Peizhao | don't flush the channel |
| 16:11.51 | s-andy | xoz_: i hoped i'll find such people here :) |
| 16:11.54 | elektron | sorry |
| 16:11.56 | xoz_ | !search googl about grub drive mapping |
| 16:12.02 | xoz_ | !search google about grub drive mapping |
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| 16:13.41 | dpkg | Google says about grub drive mapping is at http://www.linux-mag.com/content/view/1529/2083/ or http://www.linux-mag.com/2003-12/guru_01.html or http://www.themoreiknow.info/R3000Z_web/GhostOnCompaq.html or http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/wingrub.html or http://forum.libranet.com/viewtopic.php?p=60737&sid=9680ce074a8728cd1fd9492b1453aaf0 |
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| 16:13.42 | abrotman | yay netsplit! |
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| 16:13.44 | xoz_ | s-andy: ^^^ |
| 16:13.44 | elektron | so now what should I do?? |
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| 16:14.01 | xoz_ | that was fast |
| 16:14.02 | xoz_ | cell division and fusion |
| 16:14.02 | kjdyslex | "Do you know what to do if grep breaks" hehe |
| 16:14.02 | abrotman | if only greycat were joking ... |
| 16:14.02 | mike-_- | hm, never mind :) it seems to have fixed itself mystically |
| 16:14.02 | s-andy | xoz_: thanks for your help. i will try |
| 16:14.03 | xoz_ | kjdyslex: use awk |
| 16:14.03 | abrotman | kjdyslex: are you using testing or unstable ? |
| 16:14.03 | Peizhao | apt-get update |
| 16:14.03 | Peizhao | what do you want |
| 16:14.03 | sambrista | abrotman : done, i'm gonna try it. Thanks in advance |
| 16:14.04 | elektron | i want to get |
| 16:14.04 | elektron | some packages |
| 16:14.04 | elektron | ex xchat, xine... |
| 16:14.04 | bnoji | I think I need to buy a rack for my house soon, but I need to get an enclosed one with some soundproofing |
| 16:14.05 | kjdyslex | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 16:14.05 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 16:14.05 | abrotman | bnoji: someone on this channel was getting rid of some a few days ago |
| 16:14.15 | Ronin | elektron: apt-get install xchat xine |
| 16:14.20 | bnoji | abrotman: I probably need a 12U cabinet |
| 16:14.34 | elektron | look at flood |
| 16:14.36 | abrotman | bnoji: i've got a .. 30U in my office we're not using :) |
| 16:14.37 | elektron | #flood* |
| 16:14.55 | bnoji | abrotman: enclosed? |
| 16:15.03 | Wanderer | Anyone know about any problems with sound in current debian unstable on a system with an intel sound driver? |
| 16:15.04 | abrotman | bnoji: yeah |
| 16:15.08 | bnoji | It has to be enclosed. I need to soundproof it. |
| 16:15.10 | Wanderer | was working find until friday when I did a dist-upgrade |
| 16:15.12 | bnoji | abrotman: is it for sale? |
| 16:15.23 | abrotman | bnoji: dunno .. but we got it from a place downtown .. they might still have more |
| 16:15.28 | abrotman | (though it was a while ago) |
| 16:15.29 | Peizhao | apt-get install WHATEVER |
| 16:15.39 | kjdyslex | Do you guys in here know why a lot of people run the testing or unstable stuff? |
| 16:15.40 | Peizhao | apt-cache search KEYWORD |
| 16:15.46 | abrotman | kjdyslex: depends on the person |
| 16:15.51 | bnoji | abrotman: I usually buy mine from a place called Second Source. The guy gets second hand stuff from comcast and big companies and keeps it in the basement |
| 16:15.51 | abrotman | !tell Peizhao about refcard |
| 16:15.53 | kjdyslex | I mean I know one big reason |
| 16:16.05 | bnoji | Our office racks are old comcast AV towers |
| 16:16.13 | abrotman | bnoji: hehe .. those should work .. |
| 16:16.14 | Wanderer | !tell wanderer about refcard |
| 16:16.22 | Wanderer | nice |
| 16:16.27 | abrotman | !tell Wanderer about grounding |
| 16:16.30 | bnoji | My gf would kill me if i moved something that big into the house (theyre not enclosed either) |
| 16:16.35 | Peizhao | thanks |
| 16:16.38 | abrotman | bnoji: move her out? :) |
| 16:16.43 | bnoji | It's a 7ft with a big 120V AC fan on top |
| 16:16.45 | EightiesK | how do i mount my ubuntu partition? |
| 16:16.46 | kjdyslex | I'm in the same boat, a lot of people setup boxes for home theater stuff, and they follow people's guides/hot-to's, and those people that write them usually use the latest pkgs |
| 16:16.48 | EightiesK | its hda3/// |
| 16:16.50 | abrotman | bnoji: send her to live under the commodore barry! |
| 16:16.58 | Wanderer | abrotman: I've been running debian for a long time. Just hadn't seen or heard of "refcard" so I was curious |
| 16:17.03 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 16:17.07 | Wanderer | now I know you can msg dpkg too, thanks |
| 16:17.17 | bnoji | abrotman: She started bugging me last night about the cpu fan on a new server from scrap parts. |
| 16:17.25 | Wanderer | I collect information about the refcard, etc for long term |
| 16:17.27 | abrotman | bnoji: get her earplugs! |
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| 16:17.31 | bnoji | It had a high pitch whine and she said she couldnt sleep. |
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| 16:17.44 | kjdyslex | abrot: thanks for all the info |
| 16:17.48 | priscila | faw: hello! |
| 16:17.50 | abrotman | kjdyslex: is everything working? |
| 16:17.52 | jbroome | some GF's have a high pitched whine too |
| 16:17.55 | kjdyslex | I gotta fix a dep issue before I even install :) |
| 16:17.58 | stouset | You know, that's a little disconcerting. Where I work, we switched everything over to Exchange and got a shiny new Exchange Administrator to handle things. So, it's set up to expire my password every month, and since I use IMAP I never get notified of this. I tell the guy I need to get my password reset later today, and he agrees. So, about a half hour, one of my coworkers walks up to me and hands me a slip of paper. Apparently, while he was getting his pass |
| 16:18.15 | kjdyslex | gotta read apt-get info to learn how to ignore/resolve stuff |
| 16:18.20 | stouset | Am I to assume he reads my emails to coworkers, too? |
| 16:18.22 | faw | priscila, hello! :-) |
| 16:18.40 | abrotman | !tell kjdyslex about grounding |
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| 16:19.12 | EightiesK | how do i mount as ext3 partion to debian? |
| 16:19.30 | abrotman | man mount |
| 16:19.56 | jikbag | mount /dev/parition /mountpoint |
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| 16:20.23 | jikbag | you dont need to specify a type |
| 16:20.34 | whaq | gentleman |
| 16:20.42 | jikbag | !mount |
| 16:20.43 | dpkg | methinks mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 16:21.34 | abrotman | whaq: there may be a few ladies here |
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| 16:21.35 | stouset | methinks dpkg is correct, per usual. |
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| 16:21.42 | jetscreamer | !all your base are belong to us |
| 16:21.42 | dpkg | jetscreamer: what are you talking about? |
| 16:21.45 | whaq | hello ladies |
| 16:21.51 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight |
| 16:21.51 | stouset | abrotman: Not to mention, a few not-so-gentle men. |
| 16:21.51 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 16:21.53 | whaq | alice brotman, how are you today? |
| 16:22.00 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:22.04 | Sonny | can you tell me why I dont hear the system sounds and the apps sounds like amsn? |
| 16:22.17 | jetscreamer | pinkie and the brain |
| 16:22.25 | abrotman | i'm alice? |
| 16:22.31 | stouset | abrotman: Clearly. |
| 16:22.32 | Ronin | just ask alice? |
| 16:22.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:22.35 | whaq | am i in.. #debian? (/me checks channel name) |
| 16:22.42 | abrotman | yes .. but i'm not alice |
| 16:22.44 | whaq | alexis brotman, I presume...? |
| 16:22.46 | stouset | whaq: No, this is #devrandom |
| 16:22.47 | jetscreamer | no this is #abrotman |
| 16:22.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:22.51 | jikbag | Sonny: can you hear other sounds like tiny voices in your head? |
| 16:22.55 | whaq | ah, that makes utter sense |
| 16:22.56 | abrotman | whaq: /whois abrotman |
| 16:23.02 | abrotman | freaking IRC is hard! |
| 16:23.10 | stouset | abrotman: Alexandra! |
| 16:23.12 | jetscreamer | be a barbie baby |
| 16:23.17 | stouset | abrotman: You misspelled your name :\ |
| 16:23.17 | GutterPunk | I know maybe noone in this channel is interested in Xgl, but I was wondering if someone could point me to a howto on how to use this on Debian... I did it on Ubuntu, but there don't appear to be Debian packages available. |
| 16:23.31 | Sonny | jikbag: LOL |
| 16:23.31 | jetscreamer | it was in the /topic GutterPunk |
| 16:23.36 | GutterPunk | Oh sorry |
| 16:23.38 | abrotman | Andrew? no .. Allah? .. no .. Astair? .. nope ... .. i give up |
| 16:23.48 | jetscreamer | guess not anymore |
| 16:23.53 | Sonny | jikbag: My debian doenst play any sound.. why? |
| 16:23.58 | whaq | he said he's Up stairs. not Astair. |
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| 16:24.16 | GutterPunk | jetscreamer, I don't see it in the topic :/ |
| 16:24.22 | jikbag | Sonny: so you cant play any sounds at all? |
| 16:24.39 | jetscreamer | !xgl |
| 16:24.39 | dpkg | [xgl] the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl |
| 16:24.42 | stouset | GutterPunk: I think he meant the this is not #ubuntu part. :\ |
| 16:24.50 | GutterPunk | Oh yeah, I realize that |
| 16:24.53 | jetscreamer | !tell GutterPunk -about xgl-howto |
| 16:24.54 | Sonny | jikbag: Nop, I can play music in xmms... but I mean the system's sounds |
| 16:24.55 | strankan | i have a kernel patch question |
| 16:24.58 | GutterPunk | Thanks |
| 16:25.01 | strankan | is it possible to patch the kernel from 2.6.8 directly to 2.6.15 or do I need to use every patch released from 2.6.8 -> 2.6.15? |
| 16:25.14 | jetscreamer | no i meant xgl was in the topic |
| 16:25.17 | stew | strankan: every patch in between |
| 16:25.26 | jetscreamer | but alas i was wuurng |
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| 16:25.38 | francis | if I have someone's IP on my network, how can I find out the computer name? |
| 16:25.44 | jetscreamer | host |
| 16:25.48 | strankan | oh, crap, then its probably better to just install it from scratch |
| 16:26.09 | jetscreamer | francis: ^ |
| 16:26.13 | jikbag | Sonny: i dunno why that would be |
| 16:26.14 | stew | francis: you mean the hostname? |
| 16:26.25 | jetscreamer | host <ip> |
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| 16:26.30 | francis | stew: the name samba would show, for example. |
| 16:26.56 | nvz | francis_: sambaclient -L IP |
| 16:27.12 | Sonny | How does Debian manages the sound?? I think theres sound daemons right? |
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| 16:27.30 | stouset | Sonny: Everything is handled through ALSA. Your sound card is probably muted. |
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| 16:27.44 | kjdyslex | the apt how-to isn't very good, doesn't deal with how to keep a dep pkg already installed |
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| 16:27.58 | elektron | Sonny: configure it with alsaconfig |
| 16:28.01 | Sonny | stouset: Nop it plays music in xmms normally.. but the gnome sounds not |
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| 16:28.07 | GutterPunk | I'm not too keen on installing the packages from that ubuntu howto really :/ scares me a bit. Dapper uses Xorg 7, while this system does not.. |
| 16:28.17 | stew | kjdyslex: what do you mean by "dep pkg already installed" |
| 16:28.23 | nvz | francis_: the "computer name" is not a fully qualified host name. only way to really figure it out is though the samba protocol probably requires IPC password |
| 16:28.27 | stouset | Sonny: Desktop->Preferences->Sound, disable starting the sound server. |
| 16:28.43 | stouset | Sonny: then pkill esd |
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| 16:29.03 | francis_ | nvz: I get command not found |
| 16:29.08 | francis_ | nvz: but samba works |
| 16:29.22 | francis_ | nvz: what's an IPC password? |
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| 16:29.40 | francis_ | nvz: thing is, samba displays all the computers on the network, with names, even though they might not be accessible |
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| 16:29.57 | kjdyslex | I try to install x-window-system, it needs blah-0.9 , but I already have blah-1.0, I need to tell it to ignore blah-0.9 |
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| 16:30.13 | abrotman | kjdyslex: try just x-window-system-core |
| 16:30.21 | kjdyslex | already did, same issues |
| 16:30.21 | stouset | kjdyslex: blah-0.9 and blah-1.0 might be version-incompatible. |
| 16:30.31 | francis_ | nvz: d'oh, it was smbclient |
| 16:30.34 | abrotman | kjdyslex: what is 'blah' ? |
| 16:30.37 | kjdyslex | might be, but apt doesn't know this, right? |
| 16:30.44 | kjdyslex | it's DirectFB |
| 16:30.48 | abrotman | x-window-system-core is a metapackage |
| 16:30.58 | stew | kjdyslex: it doesn't work like that. If some package requires a specific version of a package, it's for a reason |
| 16:31.16 | Sonny | stouset: Just execute "pkill esd" to kill esd? |
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| 16:31.44 | stouset | Yes |
| 16:32.01 | kjdyslex | stew: is there not cases when people mix and match pkgs themselves where apt doesn;t necessarily know what wouldf work? |
| 16:32.06 | abrotman | stew: stupid bastards traded Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena |
| 16:32.07 | Sonny | stouset: how can I know if it was really killed? |
| 16:32.13 | kjdyslex | I have compiled and installed some things from CVS |
| 16:32.17 | stouset | Sonny: ps aux | grep esd |
| 16:32.37 | abrotman | kjdyslex: can you get xserver-xorg installed? |
| 16:32.40 | Sonny | stouset: theres a esd process |
| 16:32.42 | elektron | what is grep cmd? |
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| 16:32.50 | stouset | Sonny: kill -9 `pidof esd` |
| 16:33.06 | stew | kjdyslex: for things you have compiled yourself, /msg dpkg equivs ; but no, apt doesn't have support for breaking pakcages by using binary incompatible libraries |
| 16:33.38 | kjdyslex | abrot: no I cannot install xserver-org |
| 16:33.43 | FoxAFK | bye |
| 16:34.07 | abrotman | kjdyslex: same error ? |
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| 16:34.29 | kjdyslex | yes |
| 16:34.30 | Sonny | stouset: whats does this line means: gonzalo 11895 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 11:33 0:00 [esdplay] <defunct> |
| 16:34.37 | abrotman | kjdyslex: are you running unstable ? |
| 16:34.39 | jetscreamer | apt-get install x-window-system doesn't work? |
| 16:34.58 | stouset | Sonny: ESD has crapped out and is why you can't hear anything on your sound card. |
| 16:34.58 | abrotman | i can't believe i'm going to suggest this .. but maybe getting Xorg from experimental will work ... |
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| 16:35.01 | kjdyslex | abrot: all I can say is what I showed you earlier, my sources.list points to sid |
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| 16:35.22 | abrotman | oh .. i missed them |
| 16:35.23 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 16:35.23 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 16:35.44 | abrotmam | Gwahaha. |
| 16:35.47 | stew | abrotman: mrs. stew wants to know where you heard that about arroyo |
| 16:36.06 | abrotman | stew: top of ESPN and boston.com/sports/redsox |
| 16:36.18 | Sonny | stouset: what does it mean? how can I solve it? |
| 16:36.39 | abrotmam | abrotman: Gwahaha. I have ruined your fancy nickname tab completion. |
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| 16:37.20 | jetscreamer | so why can't he install x abrotman |
| 16:37.22 | stouset | Sonny: Easy way is to reboot. If you've disabled ESD from starting, it shouldn't cause any more problems. |
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| 16:37.35 | Sonny | stouset, let me try ok |
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| 16:37.47 | foo | Do I need to open my case to find out what brand RAM I have? Or is there some linux app I could use to read the brand ... if that's even possible. |
| 16:37.50 | stouset | Sonny: I can't stop you. |
| 16:38.09 | stouset | foo: Not possible. |
| 16:38.21 | foo | stouset: ah, ok. |
| 16:38.36 | foo | I've done 8 passes with memtest and so far it has found no errors ... been going for 8 hours. Is this long enough to see if there are errors? Or should I let it keep going? |
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| 16:39.05 | stouset | foo: You're good. |
| 16:39.15 | foo | stouset: Thanks. |
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| 16:40.00 | stouset | foo: One pass will find virtually all problems, though leaving it on for a few hours will reduce the chances of missing a problem to virtually nil. |
| 16:40.10 | foo | stouset: ah, ok. |
| 16:40.43 | ttick | foo: leaving it on will also usually catch heat related problems. |
| 16:41.01 | stouset | ttick: 8 hours should catch that though. :) |
| 16:41.07 | mne | hi, I am using dm-crypt but I heard that aes-loop is faster. I'm planning to set up a file-server with encrypted partitions. Is dm-crypt or aes-loop SMP capable ? How much cpu performance will I need ? I currently have an old dual P166 I want to use, will this be enough ? |
| 16:41.12 | ttick | stouset: definately. |
| 16:41.21 | foo | ttick: ah, I see. Bah. |
| 16:41.41 | stew | far from definately, there is no reason to assume that a machine gets as hot during memtest as it would during number crunching |
| 16:41.42 | foo | Thanks stouset and ttick. I'm having problems with VMware and VMware support says it's hardware related. Guess it's not my RAM. /me shrugs |
| 16:42.01 | stouset | mne: Doubtful a dual P166 will have enough capacity if you're serving anything more than one user. Remember, every file read will require a decryption, and writes will require an encryption |
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| 16:42.30 | scooper | hello all, i have got a problem, i just installed again debian because i had a crash disk, and i cannot install mysql-server-5.0n apt-get said that will not install the dependances :s |
| 16:42.37 | mne | stouset, one user will be enough, its for home use |
| 16:42.47 | stouset | mne: I'm going to wager that the two implementations have similar performance within a reasonable margin of error, and that the real limiting factor is the hardware you're running it on. |
| 16:43.03 | stouset | mne: Well, it will work, but I don't think you'll get anywhere near full throughput from your disks no matter which you use. |
| 16:43.34 | stouset | scooper: Welcome to unstable. |
| 16:43.34 | stew | scooper: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:43.46 | mne | stouset, so what would be the minimum requirements ? a p2 450 ? |
| 16:43.58 | bibe | hi all. How can I force "--dpi 75" parameter to the X server using kdm on etch? On sarge, I used to edit /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers, but the file doesn't exist anymore in etch (freshly installed) |
| 16:44.00 | stouset | mne: I couldn't tell you. |
| 16:44.19 | sambrista | hello! I use kernel 2.4.27-2-586 in debian etch (installed through internet) and i want to update to 2.6.15 in order to use udev and ndiswrapper. Is there an apt-get way to do it? |
| 16:44.27 | stouset | bibe: somewhere in /etc/X11/kde probably |
| 16:44.35 | scooper | stew, i'm using debian sid, ive tried with source http |
| 16:44.37 | mne | stouset, I guess that information should be on some dm-crypt homepage. and do you know if it's smp capable ? |
| 16:44.40 | bibe | sambrista : yes, apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:44.42 | stouset | sambrista: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:44.58 | Trist | Does anyone know how I can get power saving working (suspend when lid closes etc) working on my laptop? |
| 16:44.59 | bibe | stouset : I'm looking... |
| 16:45.11 | stew | i don't know that there is a way to upgrade from 2.4.27 to 2.5.15 directly using apt-get |
| 16:45.16 | sambrista | i tried but when grub boots it, it reboots |
| 16:45.37 | stouset | mne: I would readily assume that you won't notice much of a performance benefit from running SMP. All it will help with is if you're reading two files simultaneously. |
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| 16:45.50 | stew | scooper: show us exactly what command you are trying and exactly what errors you get, use a pastebin, /msg dpkg paster |
| 16:45.55 | mne | stouset, ok, thank you |
| 16:46.06 | stouset | mne: Encryption is usually pretty sequential, and I would guess extremely hard or impossible to parallellize. |
| 16:46.14 | sambrista | i mean, when grub loads it, and executes "boot", nothing happens and a second later the computer reboots |
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| 16:46.29 | francis_ | if I have someone's IP on my network, how can I find out the computer name? (as displayed in samba) |
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| 16:46.53 | stouset | francis_: Didn't someone answer this fifteen minutes ago? |
| 16:47.14 | bibe | stouset : could it be /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc ? |
| 16:47.33 | mne | stouset, hmm, maybe the used encryption buffer could be large enough so that it can be split up and encryption can be parallelized by working on the buffer-slices. anyway, i don't know anything about the internals of dm-crypt |
| 16:47.33 | stouset | bibe: Dunno. |
| 16:47.48 | scooper | stew, here is my error : http://channels.debian.net/paste/2188 |
| 16:47.52 | bibe | stouset : thank you, I'm trying. bye |
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| 16:48.15 | stouset | mne: Doubtful. It's more than likely that the implementations use CBC (cipher block chaining) which means that each block's decryption is dependent upon the decryption of preceding blocks. |
| 16:49.00 | zinx | erh |
| 16:49.11 | mne | stouset, that's bad for smp ;) so I'll look for some faster spare machine, thanks |
| 16:49.12 | stew | scooper: apt-get install mysql-client-5.0 ; see what the error is there, repeat as necessary until you figure out what the underlying cause is. can you show us your sources.list? |
| 16:49.17 | zinx | that would be pretty impossible for a filesystem |
| 16:49.26 | zinx | dm-crypt can choose between several modes |
| 16:49.32 | stouset | mne: Look on their website. It's possible they don't use CBC, in which case SMP might help. |
| 16:49.33 | zinx | and i don't think CBC is one of them |
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| 16:49.59 | Spine | how can i find out a process id from konsole? |
| 16:50.12 | stouset | Spine: ps aux | grep <process> |
| 16:50.19 | Spine | ty |
| 16:50.26 | stew | scooper: pidof processname |
| 16:50.34 | stew | scooper: or pgrep processpattern |
| 16:50.37 | evilbulgarian | hi, need to set up some kind of alerts when a box/service goes down can someone recommend some tools for that? Maby ping based alerts and service monitoring? |
| 16:50.39 | zinx | (dm-crypt is for encrypting block devices, so it needs random-acess -- CBC doesn't provide that) |
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| 16:50.54 | stouset | zinx: On second thought, you're probably right. My gut instinct was that they'd use CBC but now that I think about it, it wouldn't make sense for a filesystem. |
| 16:50.55 | scooper | stew, i have tried with source from de and fr but no changes :s here is my /etc/apt/source.list http://channels.debian.net/paste/2189 |
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| 16:51.12 | zinx | afaik it supports EBC and some other similar modes |
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| 16:51.32 | stouset | zinx: Yeah. I was thinking about it from a per-file level, but you're right. There'd be no way to access individual blocks. Plus, there's the retarded problem where one corrupted block would prevent reads from any other block. Bad thing for a storage medium. |
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| 16:52.22 | stew | scooper: you can get rid of the non-us and security lines, they aren't doing anything for you |
| 16:52.46 | stew | scooper: you have run apt-get update recently? |
| 16:52.47 | zinx | hmm, maybe it doesn't.. may have been the old cryptoloop interface that supported multiple schemes |
| 16:53.10 | scooper | stew, yes i just installed debian today |
| 16:53.14 | stouset | stew: mysql-server-5.0 and mysql-client-5.0 are broken in sid right now, they have unavailable deps. |
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| 16:53.35 | stew | scooper: what stouset said, then |
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| 16:53.41 | stouset | zinx: I don't remember cryptoloop doing that. |
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| 16:53.55 | stouset | stew: My guess is something in incoming. |
| 16:53.59 | scooper | ok |
| 16:54.01 | foo | z/x |
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| 16:54.41 | stouset | scooper: If you need them, you can download the previous versions from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql/ |
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| 16:54.52 | kjdyslex | What does "Conf libdirectfb-dev " mean? |
| 16:54.59 | scooper | stouset, ok thanks you |
| 16:55.00 | stouset | kjdyslex: In what context? |
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| 16:55.07 | kjdyslex | I got that from apt-get -s -f |
| 16:55.09 | stew | kjdyslex: it will run the postinst configuration for that package |
| 16:55.20 | kjdyslex | it said it would: |
| 16:55.21 | kjdyslex | Inst libdirectfb-dev [0.9.19+0.9.20WIP-1] (0.9.22-9 Debian:unstable) |
| 16:55.21 | kjdyslex | Conf libdirectfb-dev (0.9.22-9 Debian:unstable) |
| 16:55.31 | stew | kjdyslex: it will install it, then configure it |
| 16:55.33 | kjdyslex | the first line confuses me |
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| 16:55.55 | kjdyslex | But will it remove 0.9.22-9 and then install 0.9.19+0.9.20WIP-1 ? |
| 16:55.55 | francis_ | stouset: yes, but that didn't work. From a computer I *know* is up on the network, I just get "Connection to IP failed" |
| 16:56.42 | stew | kjdyslex: no, its just talking about installing. 0.9.19+0.9.20WIP-1 is the upstream version number 0.9.22-9 is the debian version number |
| 16:57.32 | kjdyslex | this is what is stopping me: |
| 16:57.34 | kjdyslex | libsdl1.2-dev: Depends: libdirectfb-dev (>= 0.9.22) but 0.9.19+0.9.20WIP-1 is to be installed |
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| 16:58.00 | abrotman | apt-get update? |
| 16:58.02 | kjdyslex | if 0.9.19+0.9.20WIP-1 is the same as 0.9.22-9 then I don't see where the problem is |
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| 16:58.48 | francis_ | so.... |
| 16:58.49 | leosol_ | hello all |
| 16:58.51 | francis_ | if I have someone's IP on my network, how can I find out the computer name? (as displayed in samba) |
| 16:59.05 | stew | kjdyslex: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libdirectfb-dev" use a pastebin, /msg dpkg paster |
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| 16:59.43 | stouset | francis_: This has been answered for you already. |
| 16:59.54 | francis_ | stouset: as I already said, it did not work. |
| 17:00.22 | leosol_ | distribution ? - if I would like to get debian 'unstable' up and running, is it recommend to start w/ "testing" and then upgrade, or "stable" and then goto testing, then to unstable? |
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| 17:01.30 | Red_Cloud | I am having a problem having my scanner frontends recognizing my Umax scanner. Sane is installed and scanimage and scanadf operates the scanner. I have installed xsane and quiteinsane but neither will detect the scanner. My permissions are correct to allow me to use scanner. Help? |
| 17:02.00 | Sp33dStar | how can i complete uninstall x-window-system? "apt-get --purge remove x-window-system" is not enough |
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| 17:02.36 | stouset | francis_: Then, there isn't really another way. |
| 17:02.45 | stouset | francis_: Considering that's the tool for doing explicitly what you're asking. |
| 17:03.07 | stouset | leosol_: Any way should work. Installing testing will require upgrading fewer packages in the long run, though. |
| 17:03.08 | francis_ | stouset: is there certainly not another way? How does samba get that name? |
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| 17:03.26 | Sonny | strouset, I rebooted... but I still cant hear the gnome sounds |
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| 17:04.25 | djp | what default groups should i make users members of? are audio, cdrom, dialout, floppy, plugdev and video good enough for most users? |
| 17:04.48 | leosol_ | stouset: thx. i tried going from stable -> testing -> unstable and am having tons of packaging probls. |
| 17:05.09 | kjdyslex | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2190 |
| 17:05.21 | leosol_ | going to try out the netinstall of testing, then try to upgrade to unstable. all I need to do is to change my apt.sources to upgrade distros, right? |
| 17:05.21 | kjdyslex | I thought a bot was gonna announce it |
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| 17:05.43 | wols_ | leosol_: also update and dist-upgrade |
| 17:06.01 | kjdyslex | leo: I have started with testing netinst CD image and then changes sources.list, it seems to work |
| 17:07.03 | leosol_ | the only doc i'm reading about upgrading distro's is the one found at: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html is this the correct proceedure? |
| 17:07.11 | leosol_ | or is there a better doc? |
| 17:07.17 | Sonny | stouset, I rebooted... but I still cant hear the gnome sounds |
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| 17:07.44 | leosol_ | wols_: you mean "upgrade" instead of "update"? |
| 17:07.48 | xoz_ | !woody->sarge |
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| 17:07.51 | Trist | Does anyone know how I can get power saving working (suspend when lid closes etc) working on my laptop (dell inspiron 1150)? |
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| 17:08.03 | leosol_ | e.g.: apt-get -t unstable upgrade |
| 17:08.32 | leosol_ | apt-get -t unstable dist-upgrade |
| 17:08.32 | leosol_ | ? |
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| 17:09.02 | wols_ | leosol_: no I meant update. unless you run "apt-get update" all the sources.list changing in the wolrd won't help you a bit |
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| 17:09.26 | leosol_ | ah...yea, ok. |
| 17:09.28 | xoz_ | !tell leosol_ about woody->sarge |
| 17:09.29 | Sonny | can somebody help me how so set up my system to play the gnome sounds? |
| 17:09.52 | bogus | i just have a quick q: how to keep my comp from going into sleep-state? |
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| 17:10.27 | xoz_ | bogus: as in blank screen? or cpu sleeping? |
| 17:10.39 | bogus | xoz_: cpu sleeping |
| 17:10.54 | xoz_ | bogus: not in bios? |
| 17:11.08 | bogus | xoz_: nope, checked there already |
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| 17:11.50 | xoz_ | bogus: probably apic? |
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| 17:12.26 | bogus | xoz_: im sorry, im kinda new to linux :/ what is apic? |
| 17:12.58 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, could you help me? I am having a problem with my sane frontends (xsane & quiteinsane) not detecting my scanner. |
| 17:13.07 | Trist | when running apt-get update it complains that it could not verify signatures because of no public key being made available. Is there a package I need to install that contains the public keys for verification? |
| 17:13.23 | azeem | Trist: see /topic |
| 17:13.28 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.27 | xoz_ | bogus: /msg dpkg acpi, then /msg dpkg apic |
| 17:14.56 | xoz_ | bogus: try passin noapic in the bootprompt |
| 17:14.57 | bogus | xoz_: thnx |
| 17:15.02 | bogus | mkay |
| 17:15.28 | bnoji | Racks are damn expensive. |
| 17:15.34 | jeward | I have On Board 5.1 Channel AC97 Audio, but no sound. Can anyone help me? |
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| 17:15.44 | bnoji | For a simple 4-post, open aluminum frame they want $800 |
| 17:16.04 | xoz_ | jeward: tried alsaconf? |
| 17:16.15 | jeward | xoz_: Nope. |
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| 17:16.40 | xoz_ | jeward: try and cross your finger |
| 17:17.01 | jeward | xoz_: Okay installing it now. |
| 17:17.04 | paccer | hmm - what do you do if you need to extract a iso without root access? - you cant mount it without root access... any ideas? |
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| 17:17.37 | jeward | xoz_: I have no alsaconf in my path? |
| 17:17.50 | jeward | xoz_: In sbin or somewhere? |
| 17:17.54 | Sonny | why my system doesnt play the gnone sounds? |
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| 17:18.44 | xoz_ | jeward: apt-get install alsa and alsa-utils i think |
| 17:19.19 | jeward | xoz_: alsaconf found nothing... |
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| 17:20.55 | xoz_ | jeward: lspci | grep -i audio |
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| 17:21.23 | jeward | xoz_: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 17:21.41 | sambrista | hello! I've got a problem :( . I installed kernel 2.6.15 by apt-get in debian etch, but it doesn't boot |
| 17:22.08 | sambrista | the one i'm using now is 2.4.27 |
| 17:22.28 | klync | sambrista: what happens when you try to boot? |
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| 17:22.35 | sambrista | grub starts loading it |
| 17:22.50 | klync | sambrista: kernel panic? |
| 17:22.53 | sambrista | but when it says "boot" |
| 17:23.04 | sambrista | waits a second or so and then reboots |
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| 17:23.10 | sambrista | without saying a word |
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| 17:23.35 | incorrect | has anyone come had issues with snmpd in sarge? |
| 17:23.38 | jeward | xoz_: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 17:23.41 | klync | sambrista: so, grub shows your new kernel in its list, but just reboots as soon as it gives control to the kernel? |
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| 17:23.51 | WyldStylist | can linux be installed on ericsson t610 mobile? |
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| 17:23.59 | sambrista | klync : yes |
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| 17:24.17 | EightiesK | is there anyway of making the kmenu open with the windows button? |
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| 17:24.29 | sambrista | klync: the last sentence that appears in the screen is "boot" |
| 17:24.31 | incorrect | WyldStylist, possibly, try google |
| 17:24.32 | jeward | xoz_: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 17:24.32 | xoz_ | jeward: try snd-intel8x0 |
| 17:24.45 | klync | sambrista: sounds like you chose a wrong option in your kernel config, such as the wrong cpu type |
| 17:24.45 | jeward | xoz_: modprobe it? |
| 17:25.07 | WyldStylist | incorrect - I did |
| 17:25.09 | Rexxie | apache/php is complaining about not finding libmysqlclient.so.15, how do I get it? |
| 17:25.13 | WyldStylist | it didnt return anything |
| 17:25.16 | incorrect | WyldStylist and google said? |
| 17:25.26 | jeward | xoz_: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-intel8x0 |
| 17:25.27 | sambrista | klync : i chose nothing, i just typed apt-get and the packages |
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| 17:25.35 | yggdrasil | hey guys i got ubuntu on this laptop its got no cd drive and i want to install sid debian and get rid of ubuntu ... i did it once but i cant remember how to do that where i point grub to the net install ... ??? |
| 17:25.36 | WyldStylist | google said connecting linux to t610 |
| 17:25.47 | WyldStylist | what i want is to not use the crappy Symbian OS |
| 17:25.58 | incorrect | well then that could well be a no then |
| 17:26.01 | klync | sambrista: oh, sorry, i thought you said you created the .deb |
| 17:26.01 | xoz_ | jeward: try snd-trident |
| 17:26.01 | WyldStylist | and adapt to a t610 adapted linux version |
| 17:26.14 | xoz_ | jeward: what kernel? |
| 17:26.15 | klync | sambrista: you sure it was the right kernel pkg for your arch? |
| 17:26.17 | incorrect | WyldStylist, i don't mean to be funny, but why would anyone want to run a unix on a mobile phone? |
| 17:26.19 | sambrista | klync: i didn't configure it. Is there a way to solve this? I would like to use udev and ndiswrapper |
| 17:26.22 | azeem | yggdrasil: what do you mean, point grub to netinstall |
| 17:26.22 | azeem | ? |
| 17:26.31 | WyldStylist | Incorrect why not? |
| 17:26.32 | jeward | xoz_: Stock sarge? |
| 17:26.33 | kjdyslex | abrotman: I was totally reading things wrong, I just needed to install 0.9.22, I thought it meant I already had it |
| 17:26.34 | Supaplex | what drivers are available for X? (driver = "...") |
| 17:26.36 | WyldStylist | people do that on Ipod's |
| 17:26.39 | incorrect | WyldStylist because its pointless? |
| 17:26.41 | xoz_ | jeward: uname -r |
| 17:26.52 | sambrista | klync: i have a pentium II and i tried with the 686 type. I will try with the lower one |
| 17:26.54 | incorrect | WyldStylist, well i can see why they might like it on an ipod |
| 17:26.57 | yggdrasil | azeem i got the kernel images off of the net install cd and put them on my hard drive and then poitned grub to them .. and iwas able to do the net install.. |
| 17:26.58 | jeward | xoz_: 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 17:27.03 | yggdrasil | just wondering if theres a nother way |
| 17:27.19 | sambrista | klync: in the description of the package it appears that it is copmatible with pentium II |
| 17:27.23 | jeward | xoz_: snd-trident wasn't found either. |
| 17:27.26 | azeem | yggdrasil: why don't you just boot from the netinstall CD? |
| 17:27.36 | stew | jeward: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 17:27.38 | xoz_ | jeward: trident |
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| 17:27.54 | klync | sambrista: ya, sounds like it'd be fine.... i'm trying to think of what else it could be... is it the smp kernel? |
| 17:27.57 | xoz_ | jeward: you better install 2.6.8 kernel if your computer is new |
| 17:27.58 | yggdrasil | i dont have a cd drive |
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| 17:28.02 | yggdrasil | or a flppy |
| 17:28.10 | usn | hi folx |
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| 17:28.33 | xoz_ | jeward: im sure it will be autodetected by alsaconf if you use the 2.6 kernel |
| 17:28.33 | jeward | xoz_: Is that apt-get installable? |
| 17:28.37 | xoz_ | jeward: yep |
| 17:28.41 | sambrista | klync : no, i chose the normal one |
| 17:28.51 | stew | jeward: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 17:29.04 | klync | sambrista: can you still boot from your old 2.4 kernel? is it still in the list? |
| 17:29.10 | Supaplex | klync: so much fun, isn't it? :) |
| 17:29.16 | xoz_ | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 17:29.41 | klync | Supaplex: actually, yeah, considering it worked out... now for some delicious backports (which weren't available when i did the original voodoo) |
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| 17:29.45 | sambrista | klync : yes, that's what i am using right now |
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| 17:30.02 | xoz_ | !bobbit |
| 17:30.06 | jeward | xoz_: New kernel install in progress. |
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| 17:30.19 | Supaplex | klync: chroot installs are good for that sort of thing. |
| 17:30.26 | klync | sambrista: biab |
| 17:30.48 | cire | I have a software raid1 set. One of the disks is marked as "removed", the other works well. I just replaced the one (hdd) with a new one, but using "mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/hdd1" just causes another disk to appear (status: spare resync or so). I'd like to replace the removed disk with the new one. Sorry fpr bad explanation, my english is not that good... |
| 17:30.58 | sambrista | klync : what is biab? |
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| 17:31.59 | xoz_ | jeward: reboot after successful install and enjoy your sound, hopefully. |
| 17:32.16 | jeward | xoz_: Thanks! |
| 17:32.23 | jeward | xoz_: Rebooting now... |
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| 17:34.01 | CarlFK | how do I make a .jigdo from an .iso that I made? |
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| 17:34.58 | scooper | anyone know when mysql packet will be ok ? |
| 17:35.03 | scooper | on sid |
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| 17:37.09 | Muralidharan- | hi, how do i verify sha1 sum for iso with win xp home ed. sp2 & in debian 3.1 sarge r0a |
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| 17:38.27 | Muralidharan- | somebody help with that issue. |
| 17:38.46 | Muralidharan- | of verifying d/l'ed iso file |
| 17:38.46 | kneet | I have a (sarge) machine that has started the occasional kernel panic - seems to related to a particular interrupt - but - when it throws it you can no longer scroll upscreen to get any info. Have I got any chance of getting more logging? Can't find anything in /var/log at the moment :( |
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| 17:39.06 | xoz_ | Muralidharan-: search google sha1 verify |
| 17:39.12 | Muralidharan- | ok |
| 17:39.20 | Muralidharan- | thnkx |
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| 17:40.26 | xoz_ | kneet: nothing in /var/log/syslog,messages, or dmesg? |
| 17:40.35 | EightiesK | !repositories |
| 17:40.41 | kneet | Not the first two - let me check the third |
| 17:40.50 | Rexxie | Hi, I can't run PHP5, it says I'm missing libmysqlclient.so.15 (which I am), but can I get that without upgrading to unstable? |
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| 17:41.06 | snk00sj | hi guys |
| 17:41.10 | cire | please, can someone help me with reassembling my raid set. |
| 17:41.27 | snk00sj | is there any way to mount remote dirs using the scp protocol ? |
| 17:41.40 | nix | Hm. Im installing Sarge 3.1r1 installer with 2.6 kernel, and making software raid. It seems its using devfs for making the raid, but isnt devfs deprecated? |
| 17:41.58 | xoz_ | snk00sj: sftp |
| 17:42.02 | EightiesK | are there any repositories not included in synaptic? |
| 17:42.39 | xoz_ | nix: initrd image in sarge still uses devfs |
| 17:42.40 | kneet | xoz, nope - nothing there :( |
| 17:42.48 | snk00sj | xoz can i mount that on a local drive ? |
| 17:42.57 | snk00sj | without having to look for the pass / username each time ? |
| 17:42.59 | nix | xoz: exactly, so when i create raid1 on installation and upgrade to latest kernel - i will run into problem? |
| 17:43.11 | sambrista | klync : i've just installed the 386(486) version, now i'm going to reboot |
| 17:43.44 | xoz_ | nix: what debian? stable? |
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| 17:44.20 | xoz_ | nix: only in sid you can have udev or initramfs/yaird that use cpio and not devfs |
| 17:44.41 | sonasks | how can i check the cpu temperature via shell ? |
| 17:44.58 | EightiesK | xoz_: where can i get more debs like for to play mp3s and such? |
| 17:45.01 | kneet | xoz, hang on - got one from yesterday (although the panic happened today) - http://channels.debian.net/paste/2191 |
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| 17:45.17 | stew | sonasks: if your machine supports acpi, then modprobe thermal ; acpi -V ; you might need to apt-get install acpid acpi |
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| 17:45.27 | xoz_ | snk00sj: i think the konqueror uses fish://<host> which mounts the host dir using fish protocol |
| 17:45.32 | nix | xoz: i am talking about the fact that with making software raid in installer it uses devfs (/dev/ide/hostX/busY/) and if I then upgrade to latest kernel the raid1 will break |
| 17:45.39 | cire | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.40 | xoz_ | EightiesK: apt-cache search mp3 player |
| 17:45.42 | cire | sorry |
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| 17:46.14 | EightiesK | where can i get adept also? |
| 17:46.26 | kneet | xoz, and one early this morning http://channels.debian.net/paste/2192 |
| 17:46.30 | xoz_ | nix: probably but you can try as long as you know how to revert :) |
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| 17:46.45 | sonasks | acpi -V - no support for device type: thermal |
| 17:46.50 | sonasks | thermal is loaded |
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| 17:47.51 | xoz_ | kneet: oops are for kernel guys. you should send this info to the maintainer. |
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| 17:47.59 | stew | sonasks: then your motherboard doesn't support getting thermal info via acpi, you have to find another method, like lmsensors |
| 17:48.06 | kneet | xoz_, erk - will do |
| 17:48.11 | xoz_ | kneet: how often do you have thse oops? |
| 17:48.27 | xoz_ | kneet: can you check /var/log/ksymops? |
| 17:48.37 | kneet | Not sure. This machine had this issue last year. Then - nothing. Now - three times so far this month |
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| 17:49.19 | kneet | xoz, that's an empty dir |
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| 17:49.41 | xoz_ | kneet: memtest |
| 17:50.07 | kneet | xoz, OK - will give it a go - but will have to be tomorrow :) Thanks |
| 17:50.19 | xoz_ | kneet: or faulty motherboard... i hope it's not hardware. what is the motherboard? |
| 17:50.42 | xoz_ | kneet: or maybe you try with another kernel. |
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| 17:51.00 | xoz_ | kneet: is this intel chip? |
| 17:51.11 | kneet | Grief knows - some old hand-me-down P3 700 MHz. I do suspect it in a way (last time it played up was when it was in an aircon'd server room - stopped when it got warmer) |
| 17:51.35 | xoz_ | kneet: yep, i think something with overheat |
| 17:52.08 | xoz_ | kneet: lspci. what is the chipset? |
| 17:52.13 | kneet | xoz_, at least it's not my primary webserver - just a local box with my mp3 collection on it. |
| 17:52.45 | xoz_ | kneet: yep, better backup the things you need before it blows :) |
| 17:52.54 | kneet | Intel - most lines list 82820 or 82801AA |
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| 17:54.25 | kneet | xoz_, oddly - because of my local net setup - the data is primaried on a USB harddisk on my desktop and rsync'd to this one - so - if it blows it blows. (If the webserver did that it would be a different story :) ) |
| 17:54.26 | jazbo | Could anyone offer a good guide for kernel compiling? |
| 17:54.52 | abrotman | !kp |
| 17:54.53 | dpkg | i guess kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 17:54.59 | xoz_ | kneet: how large is the mem? |
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| 17:55.48 | kneet | xoz_, 3x256M |
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| 17:56.01 | jazbo | abrotman, tnx |
| 17:56.12 | roler | are these intel core duo laptop cpu's really all they are cracked up to be? I've got a fancy smancy 17" laptop with a true Pentium 4 3.0Gig HT cpu... I love it... But these core duo's are only 1.7gigs or so... |
| 17:56.26 | xoz_ | kneet: usb hd is a lifesaver. i have two 250G and still wants more. information is more expensive than the hardware... especially if it required a lifetime of work :) |
| 17:56.35 | noelia | hola |
| 17:56.53 | xoz_ | kneet: maybe, memtest can reveal some useful info. |
| 17:56.57 | kneet | xoz_, one at home, one here, and a second one for home in delivery :) |
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| 17:57.30 | kneet | xoz_, I'll follow it up tomorrow :) Wife's just called to say my daughter is throwing up everywhere - think I'd better head home. |
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| 17:57.44 | xoz_ | kneet: gd luck |
| 17:57.46 | kneet | Thx |
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| 17:58.31 | toblerp | what does foomatic exactly do? |
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| 17:59.20 | Eulex | !foomatic |
| 17:59.20 | dpkg | well, foomatic is a printing system designed to make it easier to set up common printers for use with Debian (and other operating systems). See http://www.linuxprinting.org for details. |
| 17:59.36 | rolo | hi, my debian is using gnome login manager ... how do i get it to use KDE's ? |
| 17:59.42 | xoz_ | roler: if you use one intensive program. one 3G cpu is better than 2 1.7G... but if you run several programs, the dual core will have better way to slice the cpu time. |
| 17:59.55 | Eulex | rolo, apt-get install kdm, then choose to use kdm when it asks you. |
| 18:00.19 | rolo | Eulex: thank you |
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| 18:01.14 | roler | xoz, ; so essentially, linux running 15 daemons for various things in X, the core duo would be better... |
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| 18:01.44 | evaded | rolo: When you see the login (the gdm), you can specify to run KDE or another one |
| 18:01.52 | Eulex | roler, also, pentium m's are much faster per megahertz than the p4's are. for example, an old pm 1.6ghz was roughly equal in performance to a p4 2.4ghz. and the new intel core duo's and single's have made the difference even bigger, |
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| 18:02.14 | roler | eulex; wow... |
| 18:02.40 | Eulex | roler, I'd advice to get the intel core duo one. |
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| 18:02.50 | rolo | evaded: i know thank you thats what i do ... but i dont want gdm |
| 18:02.57 | toblerp | !foomatic |
| 18:02.57 | dpkg | foomatic is probably a printing system designed to make it easier to set up common printers for use with Debian (and other operating systems). See http://www.linuxprinting.org for details. |
| 18:02.59 | cire | please, may someone have a look at http://pastebin.com/612747 |
| 18:02.59 | mejo | i get the following error when starting mysql: |
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| 18:03.05 | mejo | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. Please take a look at the syslog. |
| 18:03.09 | mejo | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 18:03.11 | mejo | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 18:03.15 | mejo | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 18:03.33 | evaded | rolo: Remove 'apt-get remove gdm' and install 'kdm', 'apt-get install kdm' if you want the kdm login screen |
| 18:03.34 | toblerp | but what exactly does it do? is it just a collection of printing drivers? does it generate /etc/printcap for all common unix printing systems? |
| 18:03.37 | xoz_ | roler: not necessarily... if the daemons are running below 20% cpu time. like if you have a program that runs almost 100%. in 3G, this will consume almost 100% of 3G speed. in dual core, 1.7 will be the maximum speed. if you have another program that consumes 100% cpu, 3G will have to slice its processing while dual core can run almost 1.7G at the same time for both programs. |
| 18:04.09 | noelia | hola |
| 18:04.20 | evaded | noelia: hoi |
| 18:04.28 | leosol_ | mejo: is mysql running? - what's problm, w/ mySQL, or mysqlAdmin? |
| 18:04.30 | noelia | soy española |
| 18:04.35 | xoz_ | roler: unless if the program uses multi-threads... then the dual core will win. but most regular apps are not really multi-thread. |
| 18:04.36 | evaded | !es |
| 18:04.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:04.48 | evaded | noelia: ^^ |
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| 18:05.02 | noelia | no te entiendo |
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| 18:05.33 | xoz_ | roler: mp3 burning or video, etc... these can be multithreaded and dual cpu will take advantage of its parallelism... |
| 18:05.41 | dimir | nintendo! |
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| 18:06.16 | sonasks | can overheating cpu cause the bios to hang ?? |
| 18:06.53 | xoz_ | sonasks: overheating has many side-effects similar to if a person has high temperature. |
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| 18:07.51 | sonasks | hm... i changed cpu for faster on my MB, if i let machine cooloff a little i can do in bios wahtever i want, but no longer then caouple minutes |
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| 18:08.00 | sonasks | then i have to restart |
| 18:08.00 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 18:08.14 | sonasks | and then its just getting worst and worst |
| 18:08.33 | sonasks | awhen i let him "rest" like 10 minutes" - it all begins again :D |
| 18:08.55 | YogSothoth | I first installed Subversion with apt-get, and then I had to compile it from the latest source with --with-swig=/usr/local/bin/swig |
| 18:08.59 | snk00sj | hi i am trying to mount a remote dir using scp protocol with sshfs |
| 18:09.03 | sonasks | do i assume it may be overhaeting, since the "resting" is helping.. |
| 18:09.09 | snk00sj | modprobe fuse |
| 18:09.09 | snk00sj | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.14.6-grsec/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 18:09.17 | snk00sj | could anyone point me out on that? |
| 18:09.26 | YogSothoth | And now it's broken because it wants a 4.3 Berkely DB and mine is 4.2 |
| 18:09.47 | HazyNRG | hi, i've to install mesa to play a game but it wants to remove x-window-system-core. what can i do? |
| 18:09.50 | Eulex | sonasks, yes. |
| 18:09.59 | roler | Can any of you guys suggest a bitchen yet semi cheap laptop that runs linux perfectly? I have the Toshiba P25 model. It was roughly $1800 new, and things i'm looking for is mainly a good graphics card WITHOUT shared memory... A 17" screen is needed too. :) |
| 18:10.06 | xoz_ | sonasks: did you check if the new cpu is compat with the motherboard rating? and the fans are working properly? |
| 18:10.11 | juhov | snk00sj: try running depmod -a or something, or did you do it already? |
| 18:10.13 | Eulex | snk00sj, wow, that looks really b0rked. how did you compile that kernel? |
| 18:10.23 | sonasks | im doing it right now |
| 18:10.35 | snk00sj | i didn't |
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| 18:10.37 | YogSothoth | Then I found these informations for upgrading the database : http://tinyurl.com/5ecnl and my question is: how can I get this "older svnadmin binary"? |
| 18:10.44 | snk00sj | i ain't a linux guy, i just did an apt-get sshfs |
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| 18:10.58 | snk00sj | thats all, and now i am screwed cause it ain't working :) |
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| 18:11.08 | snk00sj | depmod -a |
| 18:11.08 | snk00sj | WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.14.6-grsec: No such file or directory |
| 18:11.08 | snk00sj | FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.14.6-grsec/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory |
| 18:11.15 | sonasks | btw -it is compatible with MB, i will have to cheng the fan and put some good paste on the core maybe |
| 18:11.17 | snk00sj | sounds fucked up huh ? :) |
| 18:11.19 | mejo | leosol_: with starting mysql, but i found out that the problem is that mysql.host does not exits. |
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| 18:11.48 | xoz_ | sonasks: yeah, you need also to make sure that there is a proper clearance between the chip and the fan. |
| 18:12.03 | djp | can anyone advise on default groups that are appropriate for new users? |
| 18:12.06 | xoz_ | sonasks: hopefully, the chip is not yet bbqd. |
| 18:12.16 | sonasks | yeah, know that |
| 18:12.20 | Eulex | snk00sj, that kernel is not precompiled by debian. whoever compiled it screwed it up quite much. |
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| 18:12.42 | stew | snk00sj: did you use make-kpkg? |
| 18:12.58 | sonasks | this MB is screwed anyway - i hate shuttle... |
| 18:13.04 | snk00sj | if you tell me what that would do i am willing to try stew |
| 18:13.07 | sonasks | on this dumb via kt chip |
| 18:13.11 | xoz_ | djp: new users must have its own group unless you want them to belong in the same group for some reasons. |
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| 18:13.13 | snk00sj | Eulex tell me how you come to that conclusion please |
| 18:13.24 | snk00sj | thats its screwed up because of one error msg |
| 18:13.37 | stew | snk00sj: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:13.46 | Eulex | snk00sj, modules.dep is like, quite important. |
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| 18:14.14 | stew | snk00sj: if you compiled that you probably forget modules-install, but you should be using make-kpkg so you don't have to worry about such things |
| 18:14.19 | xoz_ | snk00sj: try touch /lib/modules/2.6.14.6-grsec/modules.dep.temp |
| 18:14.43 | xoz_ | snk00sj: mkdir -p /lib/modules/2.6.14.6-grsec: |
| 18:14.43 | xoz_ | snk00sj: mkdir -p /lib/modules/2.6.14.6-grsec |
| 18:14.43 | djp | xoz_, so i would create a new user group? i don't add the new user to such groups as, for example, cdrom, audio, floppy etc? |
| 18:14.52 | snk00sj | ok touched |
| 18:14.54 | snk00sj | the file is there now |
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| 18:15.05 | snk00sj | depmod -a runs ok |
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| 18:15.19 | snk00sj | . |
| 18:15.19 | snk00sj | root@zeus:~# |
| 18:15.29 | xoz_ | djp: what command you use to create a user? |
| 18:15.34 | snk00sj | modprobe fuse |
| 18:15.34 | snk00sj | FATAL: Module fuse not found |
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| 18:15.59 | xoz_ | snk00sj: find /lib/modules/ -iname "*fuse*" |
| 18:16.06 | stew | snk00sj: did you just run mkdir -p /lib/modules/2.6.14.6-grsec ? |
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| 18:16.19 | Eulex | snk00sj, as, stew said, the one who compiled the kernel probably forgot to run modules-install |
| 18:16.25 | djp | xoz_, adduser |
| 18:16.29 | Eulex | s/as,/as/ |
| 18:16.37 | djs_2_6 | Hey all. Could I ask for suggestions for partitioning out a 160GB drive? I do not have a lot of manual partitioning experience... |
| 18:16.40 | stew | snk00sj: you don't have any modules at all, you can't modprobe anything |
| 18:16.42 | xoz_ | djp: usually adduser default for the group is ok |
| 18:17.15 | xoz_ | djp: start from the most simple group assignment for security. |
| 18:17.19 | fatal_ | djs_2_6: you should probably also mention what you are going to use the disk for.... |
| 18:17.21 | alkoma | is it possible to make apt-get use the loop-mounted cd to install package? I've use apt-cdrom (with the -d option) to add the cd, but apt-get still ask for the cd to be in /cdrom |
| 18:17.35 | sonasks | i have 53 Celcius on cpu only by running bios :D:D:D |
| 18:17.45 | Eulex | alkoma, symlink it there? |
| 18:17.50 | snk00sj | so am i safe to just run it without scrwing things up ? |
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| 18:18.04 | xoz_ | alkoma: examine if the cdrom source is in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:18.08 | djp | xoz_, by default the new user is not a member of any groups. is that the best way to leave things at first then? |
| 18:18.09 | alkoma | but there is 16 different cd's |
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| 18:18.23 | lefty | ih |
| 18:18.36 | xoz_ | djp: yep. it is a member of its own group exclusively... meaning each user is an island. |
| 18:18.48 | tombs | hi all |
| 18:18.48 | djs_2_6 | fatal_ - You mean, like desktop or server? I am going to use it as a workstation with the newest stable debian, I have 1GB ram, and I know I can just do the auto partition thing, but I was hoping there was a good writeup on this... |
| 18:19.01 | nvz | djp: by "default" a group with the same name as the user is created and the user is a member |
| 18:19.10 | xoz_ | djp: if there is a virus in his system, he is the only one who will be infected, in principle. |
| 18:19.13 | alkoma | I checked source.list and also /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list, look like it only has the cd id (a hex string) or the name of the cd |
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| 18:19.41 | fatal_ | djs_2_6: for a single user system, I'd recommend a single primary partition as / (and another for swap). |
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| 18:19.48 | r3c4ll | como habilito las conexiones remotas a mysql 4.1 desde sarge? ya puse 192.168.0.0 en my.cfg y agregue al usuario root con la maquina % (todas) en la tabla user... hice GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO root@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'mi_clave''; en la consola local de mysql y nada :P |
| 18:19.52 | outlaw84 | If I can see a device in lsusb how can I find out which file is connected to i /dev = |
| 18:19.56 | outlaw84 | ? |
| 18:20.06 | xoz_ | djp: id <user> and you will see that it's username and group is <user> |
| 18:20.22 | nvz | alkoma: -d |
| 18:20.24 | djp | thanks xoz_ |
| 18:20.36 | nvz | alkoma: man apt-cdrom |
| 18:20.41 | djs_2_6 | fatal_ - That is what I did for the Ubuntu I am currently on, and I was told that I should have done more... |
| 18:21.00 | alkoma | nvz: I already did that: apt-get -d <cd mount point> add |
| 18:21.19 | alkoma | i mean apt-cdrom |
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| 18:21.35 | nvz | alkoma: I am not sure you understand how cd sources work |
| 18:21.42 | nvz | alkoma: you do not ever mount the cd |
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| 18:22.07 | Eulex | djs_2_6, yes, puting /home on it's own parition is convenient |
| 18:22.16 | escay | hi @ll |
| 18:22.22 | alkoma | nvz: all I have is the cd image (iso) loop-mounted.... I don't want to waste cd and burn 16 of them :) |
| 18:22.36 | escay | anybody here speaking german? |
| 18:22.41 | Eulex | !de |
| 18:22.41 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 18:23.02 | nvz | alkoma: well apt-cdrom doesnt work like that why the hell did you do that? |
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| 18:23.15 | nvz | alkoma: if you want a local apt-srouce you have to build one properly |
| 18:23.17 | JMP_me_scode | how do i change a users username? just /etc/passwd? |
| 18:23.31 | Eulex | JMP_me_scode, passwd |
| 18:23.37 | alkoma | nvz: i see... i just realize maybe there are other way to sepcify the apt source |
| 18:23.37 | stew | JMP_me_scode: man 1 passwd |
| 18:23.44 | snk00sj | passwd sername |
| 18:23.49 | fatal_ | djs_2_6: stuff that usually are good to have on separate partitions are stuff like /var, /home, /tmp ... basically places that might fill up eigther because of logfiles (or other selfgrowing files) or places where users have access to store shit.... since you're the only user, and I doubt the logs will be a problem on your desktop machine ... doing multiple partitions is just overworking it... (you'll sooner or later run into problems where the partitio |
| 18:23.50 | xoz_ | djs_2_6: for a 160GB, it is good to have separate home, var, and usr aside from swap. your home dir is the most important. you can replace other partitions or destroy them or install another system but as long as you have a separate home, it is easy to continue working after reinstallation. besides, smaller partition means your harddisk reader will not work so much. |
| 18:24.05 | JMP_me_scode | does'nt that just change the password? |
| 18:24.13 | nvz | alkoma: lets zoom out and forget about cdroms all together, what the hell is the big picture here, what are you trying to do, and whats the problem |
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| 18:24.30 | xoz_ | JMP_me_scode: sudo passwd <user> |
| 18:24.49 | JMP_me_scode | that just change the password, i want to change username |
| 18:24.49 | xoz_ | JMP_me_scode: or su .. then passwd <user> |
| 18:25.03 | alkoma | nvz: ok. I have 16 jigdo'ed iso image of 'testing', and I want to install package from those image loop-mounted |
| 18:25.19 | Eulex | JMP_me_scode, sorry, read you wrong. I don't seem to be the only one, though. |
| 18:25.33 | JMP_me_scode | yer h |
| 18:25.42 | nvz | alkoma: then I cannot help you because you refuse to target the problem instead of your proposed solution which doesnt work |
| 18:26.13 | xoz_ | JMP_me_scode: ah, delete and adduser. |
| 18:26.18 | nvz | alkoma: you should not have downloaded 16 damn cds if you didnt plan on burning them,, if you wanted a local mirror there was a far more intelligent way of doing that |
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| 18:26.21 | JMP_me_scode | adduser: mv /home/olduser /home/newuser seems wrong. it should be dont some other way |
| 18:26.24 | alkoma | nvz: no, i am not insisting on that. that's was just what I was trying to do so far.... and I know it's not working. |
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| 18:26.45 | alkoma | nvz: i see... |
| 18:26.46 | djp | xoz_, this is the output i get from id <user>... uid=1003(tunji) gid=1004(tunji) groups=1004(tunji). is that ok to leave that user with? |
| 18:27.21 | xoz_ | JMP_me_scode: better adduser... then cp -a <old dir> <new dir>; chown -R <newuser> newdir/ |
| 18:27.26 | nvz | alkoma: you would have to remove all the packages from the images and move them into a proper archive and rebuild the package and releases file.. apt-cdrom will not help you as those are not cdroms.. apt-cdrom and the apt cdrom method cannot be used on mounted volumes. it doesnt work that way. |
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| 18:27.34 | xoz_ | JMP_me_scode: better adduser... then cp -a <old dir> <new dir>; chown -R <newuser>:<newuser> newdir/ |
| 18:27.45 | xoz_ | djp: perfect |
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| 18:27.59 | djp | xoz_, thanks |
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| 18:28.07 | jmp_me | oh. why colon? i thought that was for groups |
| 18:28.17 | nvz | alkoma: if I register all 16 _real_ cds with apt-cdrom and type apt-get install foo.. it will resolve all deps and tell me which cd to put in then it will mount it and install those packages.. it cant do this when there are no real cds |
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| 18:28.30 | xoz_ | djp: you can add a user to a group: adduser <user> <group> if in case you trust the user. |
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| 18:28.53 | xoz_ | djp: like giving access to a disk drive... but not advisable. |
| 18:29.00 | Eulex | jmp_me, a user is by default it's own group. |
| 18:29.05 | alkoma | nvz: it thought the -d option of apt-cdrom was good for something :) |
| 18:29.14 | jmp_me | ahaa |
| 18:29.21 | nvz | alkoma: it is for specifying the mount point of your CDROM DRIVE! |
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| 18:30.27 | djp | xoz_, they are family accounts on a home desktop. the users are even less computer/linux savvy than i am! i don't want to add them to a group that could prove damaging at a later date. |
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| 18:30.45 | alkoma | nzv: not really, for example when I apt-cdrom I gave /mnt/jigdo/1 as the mount point, but apt-get install still look for it in /cdrom |
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| 18:30.54 | xoz_ | djp: precisely the reason why the group is very restricted. |
| 18:31.52 | fando | hi, I keep getting filesystem corruption on my laptop hard disk, the affected files look weird: c--S-wsrw- 22876 745888092 1499212836 0, 1 1969-12-31 16:00 entries |
| 18:31.52 | nvz | alkoma: because cdrom is in your fstab probably |
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| 18:31.53 | nvz | alkoma: all apt-cdrom does is cache the cdrom's package lists so that apt-get can lookup that cache info |
| 18:31.53 | fando | can anyone suggest what might be the problem and how to pinpoint it? |
| 18:31.54 | djp | xoz_, they will still be able to play music watch videos etc, though, right? |
| 18:31.58 | xoz_ | djp: but you can use sudo and give them specific command and access like playing a movie on the disk or music, etc. |
| 18:31.59 | alkoma | nvz: no it is not even in my fstab. |
| 18:32.03 | Suprano | hi |
| 18:32.05 | Suprano | shortquestion: how can i start/stop/status deamons in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 18:32.29 | Eulex | Suprano, /etc/init.d/foo start|stop|restart |
| 18:32.32 | xoz_ | djp: group permission is all-in-one solution... finer way is use sudo |
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| 18:32.52 | Suprano | thank you Eulex |
| 18:32.53 | NetGrunt | hi there |
| 18:33.03 | alkoma | nvz: i will see if I can rebuild the archive from those cd... do you have some pointer? |
| 18:33.23 | djp | thanks xoz_ |
| 18:33.30 | Eulex | Suprano, /etc/init.d/foo --help to get info about what you can do with one of them. most don't offer status checking, though. |
| 18:33.30 | nvz | alkoma: apt-move, apt-zip, apt-cacher, apt-proxy.. there are dozens of tools for building a proper archive |
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| 18:33.42 | NetGrunt | I'm reconfiguring a package with dpkg-reconfigure ... However, by default, it takes the answers you once chose. How can I start "from scratch" ? |
| 18:33.46 | xoz_ | djp: or you can add them to audio, video group |
| 18:34.03 | alkoma | nvz: lemme try ... thanks for you help! |
| 18:34.04 | xoz_ | djp: and cdrom group |
| 18:34.10 | Suprano | ok good tip :) |
| 18:34.31 | xoz_ | djp: less /etc/group |
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| 18:35.03 | fando | is there a tool to test if a hard drive is bad or dying? |
| 18:35.08 | evaded | NetGrunt: 'apt-get remove --purge <pkg>' ?? |
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| 18:35.13 | xoz_ | djp: just avoid disk group |
| 18:35.21 | djp | xoz_, i'm off to play then! thanks for the advice... |
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| 18:35.32 | xoz_ | fando: hdparm? |
| 18:35.37 | xoz_ | djp: np |
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| 18:35.41 | fando | xoz, ok I'll try that |
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| 18:36.03 | djp | xoz_, the groups i was going to add them too, were... audio, cdrom, dialout, floppy, plugdev and video. any dangers there? |
| 18:36.09 | nvz | fando: badblocks will report unreadable blocks |
| 18:36.18 | evaded | NetGrunt: You need the '--purge' i think |
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| 18:36.50 | NetGrunt | evaded, I can't remove exim4 ;-) |
| 18:36.59 | nvz | fando: bad blocks are a sign of physical damage and early warning that its time for a new drive. or better surge protector or UPS |
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| 18:37.21 | evaded | NetGrunt: The '--reinstall'?? |
| 18:37.34 | fando | hm badblocks? ok, thanks |
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| 18:37.51 | evaded | NetGrunt: With the '--reinstall', ask he you? |
| 18:37.56 | xoz_ | djp: the danger depends whether floppy or cdrom contains compromised progs. but i think it is ok. just backup your important file to be safe. |
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| 18:38.02 | NetGrunt | evaded, --reinstall to which command ? |
| 18:38.05 | fando | this laptop's hard drive is suspect, but surge protector? is there a portable surge protection device for laptops? |
| 18:38.19 | evaded | NetGrunt: 'apt-get install --reinstall <pkg>' |
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| 18:38.29 | djp | xoz_, sure. thanks once again xoz_ |
| 18:38.35 | NetGrunt | fando, beware, most UPS do not provide full surge protection |
| 18:38.42 | NetGrunt | evaded, let me see |
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| 18:39.01 | xoz_ | fando: laptop usually has builtin protection that's why they are more expensive. the battery they have helps in regulating proper volatage. |
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| 18:39.32 | fando | yeah this is a thinkpad, I was hoping the hardware would be ok, but maybe I'm just unlucky |
| 18:39.34 | evaded | NetGrunt: But normally with 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4' it's ok; So i not see... |
| 18:39.39 | nvz | fando: sure. they have single outlet surge protectors.. but in a laptop its more likely to be damaged by shock, magnetism, temperature, moisture..etc |
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| 18:40.07 | NetGrunt | evaded, what do you mean "normally dpkg-reconfigure exim4 is ok" ? I said It remembers the previous answers, and that what I don't want |
| 18:40.08 | grendal_prime | hey i got a machine..its used for the other techs to be able to vnc into other machines...i need it to fire up a vncserver for a specific user when the machine boots. |
| 18:40.12 | xoz_ | fando: and ibm seems to be of very high quality when it comes to notebooks. |
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| 18:40.32 | xoz_ | fando: good resale value here in tokyo. |
| 18:40.34 | evaded | NetGrunt: Yes, right, im stupid. Sorry for it ;-) |
| 18:40.43 | fando | yeah they're good :) |
| 18:40.58 | NetGrunt | evaded, you don't have to say sorry, thanks for trying to help anyway |
| 18:41.18 | grendal_prime | i had set this up once before...just cant remember how..i thought it had something to do with the rc.local file..but that was on the fedora machines i think |
| 18:41.20 | nvz | fando: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103689&cp=2032056&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032056&categoryId=2032056&kwCatId=2032056&kw=surge&parentPage=search -or- http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102623&cp=2032056&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032056&categoryId=2032056&kwCatId=2032056&kw=surge&parentPage=search |
| 18:41.25 | NetGrunt | apt-get reinstall didn't work either |
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| 18:41.37 | nvz | fando: two different types of surge protectors that could work for a laptop |
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| 18:41.50 | evaded | NetGrunt: And if you remove the config file of it, located in /etc... |
| 18:41.55 | mejo | i've problems with backuppc. the restore function doesn't work correctly. (i use rsync to deliver files). |
| 18:42.02 | mejo | anybody using backuppc? |
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| 18:42.19 | fando | I keep getting filesystem errors that have to be repaired manually, about every other week |
| 18:42.33 | fando | I could try this surge protector, thanks |
| 18:42.34 | evaded | NetGrunt: Make an copy of the config file; if you need to keep it before removing. |
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| 18:43.01 | nvz | mejo: ask a question or fgi |
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| 18:43.50 | abelbo | alguein que hable espa?ol? |
| 18:43.55 | nvz | fando: well surge protection doesnt protect from outages.. on a laptop your power management should act as a UPS to keep your drive from shutting down without being flushed first |
| 18:43.56 | GoAuLd | !es |
| 18:43.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:44.06 | evaded | ^^ |
| 18:44.17 | xoz_ | fando: long shot. filesystem error may be caused by other factors. try hdparm -tT /dev/hda |
| 18:44.23 | nvz | fando: physical damage and logical damage are different things |
| 18:44.33 | Gnea | tinyurl is instead of pasting those long urls that take several cut 'n pastes to get into the url bar of a browser, please visit http://tinyurl.com and paste your url there.. turn this: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+gnu%2Flinux&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial into this: http://tinyurl.com/pdxzw |
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| 18:44.40 | Gnea | oops |
| 18:44.49 | fando | hm yeah I'll have to run the whole gamut of tests |
| 18:44.53 | xoz_ | fando: not hdparm, one sec |
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| 18:44.59 | Jaga | fgi ? |
| 18:45.07 | nvz | Jaga: fucking google it |
| 18:45.14 | Jaga | ah :) hehe |
| 18:45.21 | evaded | Gnea: Thanks for that tinyurl tip :-) |
| 18:45.22 | Gnea | problem solved. |
| 18:45.28 | Gnea | evaded: np :) |
| 18:45.58 | mejo | nvz: why does the backuppc restore function not work? it has access, but the rsync command fails for whatever reason. |
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| 18:46.14 | nvz | Jaga: asking if anyone uses foo? is not only absolutly pointless because it will not gain you the information you are actually seeking, but its often used in hopes to find and isolate a single helper and pick his/her brian untill there is nothing useful left to be found. |
| 18:46.32 | nvz | Jaga: if you really want to take a usage poll, you can get much better results on google. |
| 18:46.36 | Gnea | !tell Jaga about ask |
| 18:46.54 | Gnea | nvz: i fixed my connection - bad switch :/ |
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| 18:47.09 | nvz | mejo: I have no idea, you are doing what I tried to stop you from doing.. isolating a single helper and asking trivially vague questions |
| 18:47.31 | Jaga | hey hey.. wasn't me that asked the q. I just wanted to add fgi to my mind! :) |
| 18:47.33 | nvz | Gnea: I dont know what you are talking about, and its mejo not Jaga. Jaga was just asking about fgi |
| 18:47.37 | xoz_ | fando: smartctl |
| 18:47.49 | escay_ | &quit |
| 18:48.07 | Gnea | !tell mejo about ask |
| 18:48.17 | fando | xoz, ok thanks I'll read up on that |
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| 18:48.38 | mejo | nvz: no, i never isolated a single helper, you told me to ask a question, and i did so. my first question didn't isolate anyone. |
| 18:48.57 | Gnea | mejo: ok, cut the bullshit, what's the problem with rsync? |
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| 18:49.18 | nvz | Gnea: heh, thanks ;) |
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| 18:49.58 | christophe_32ans | hi |
| 18:50.06 | christophe_32ans | i install debian sarge on my system |
| 18:50.11 | christophe_32ans | and i have a error message |
| 18:50.20 | christophe_32ans | liblockfile1 error |
| 18:50.21 | mejo | the command that backuppc invokes is: /usr/bin/ssh -q -x -l root diana50.kidns.de /usr/bin/rsync --server --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group --devices --links --times --block-size=2048 --relative --ignore-times --recursive . /var/lib/mysql/ |
| 18:50.23 | mod^ | If users account expires, and I add more time for that account, like usermod -e 2007-05-05 test |
| 18:50.29 | mejo | unfortunately nothing happens. |
| 18:50.33 | mod^ | I can't login with test -account |
| 18:50.35 | mod^ | why? |
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| 18:51.02 | mod^ | is the account locked after expire or what? |
| 18:51.09 | mod^ | I tried usermod -U too |
| 18:51.10 | xoz_ | fando: smartctl -i /dev/hda... or -t long /dev/hda |
| 18:51.41 | abrotman | christophe_32ans: give us the whole error |
| 18:52.08 | xoz_ | christophe_32ans: try dpkg --configure --pending |
| 18:52.20 | nkuttler | mejo: su to user backuppc and see what happens when you execute the command as that user |
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| 18:53.06 | KiraCatgirl | The text on the buttons in my taskbar overflow off of the edge of the button and over the rest of the taskbar instead of being cut off. |
| 18:53.13 | christophe_32ans | abrotman: on install the message is in french |
| 18:53.18 | abrotman | !fr |
| 18:53.18 | dpkg | from memory, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
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| 18:53.33 | fando | ok thanks for your help xoz, this test will take half an hour |
| 18:53.36 | Gnea | mejo: that's quite a lot of uselessness to do something so simple |
| 18:53.40 | fando | I have to get back to work :P |
| 18:53.53 | christophe_32ans | xoz_:when i take F2 and i try dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 18:54.20 | christophe_32ans | xoz_:it say /bin/sh:dpkg: not found |
| 18:54.29 | aronofsky | hi guys , i got some problems with alsa and some apps, i got my alsa driver buit in my kernel , it works ok with xmms , but with some other apps as amarok or audacity it impossible to detect or initialize audio device , it seems its not detected or recognize , I dont know what to do ? |
| 18:54.50 | mejo | nkuttler: nothing happens ;-( |
| 18:54.53 | christophe_32ans | when i found the log of install |
| 18:54.57 | christophe_32ans | where |
| 18:54.57 | abrotman | christophe_32ans: are you using the netinst? |
| 18:54.58 | nkuttler | mejo: define nothing |
| 18:55.03 | xoz_ | christophe_32ans: have you finished installing or are you still in the installer? |
| 18:55.08 | christophe_32ans | abrotman:i use dvd install |
| 18:55.12 | mejo | nkuttler: nothing happens, it idles forever. |
| 18:55.15 | abrotman | no broadband? |
| 18:55.21 | christophe_32ans | xoz_:i 'm in the installer |
| 18:55.27 | aronofsky | hi guys , i got some problems with alsa and amarok, i got my alsa driver buit in my kernel , it works ok with xmms , but with amarok its impossible to detect or initialize audio device , it seems its not detected or recognize , I dont know what to do ? |
| 18:55.34 | wols_ | what software does BTS use? |
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| 18:55.37 | nkuttler | mejo: add some --verbose flags to all commands |
| 18:55.38 | xoz_ | christophe_32ans: try linux26 in the bootprompt for alternative. |
| 18:55.41 | abrotman | wols_: custom |
| 18:55.43 | aronofsky | it doesnt work with audacity neither |
| 18:55.45 | stew | aronofsky: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 18:55.47 | wols_ | :( |
| 18:55.49 | Gnea | mejo: can you ssh to diana50.kidns.de? |
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| 18:55.51 | christophe_32ans | xoz_:ok i try |
| 18:55.54 | nkuttler | mejo: can you ssh -l root to the host? |
| 18:55.56 | stew | aronofsky: and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 18:55.58 | ma3x | what will happen if you encode pal video with 30 fps? |
| 18:56.05 | ma3x | I mean can you encode to PAL with 30 fps at all? |
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| 18:56.08 | xoz_ | christophe_32ans: btw, is it in unpacking stage already? |
| 18:56.09 | ma3x | or is that only for ntsc |
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| 18:56.35 | abrotman | wols_: you might be able to get the scripts .. you'd have to ask someone who codes them |
| 18:56.41 | poks | debian unstable now back from ubuntu :) |
| 18:56.44 | christophe_32ans | xoz_:i'm french, can you explain in simple english, thanks |
| 18:56.55 | KiraCatgirl | Does anyone know why the text in my taskbar window buttons overruns the edge of the buttons, or how to fix it? Or even any ideas on what to try? I haven't found anything. :( |
| 18:57.03 | ma3x | stew, where you been buddy? haven't seen you in a long time. people have been missing you! |
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| 18:57.26 | aronofsky | stew, FATAL: Module snd_pcm_oss not found |
| 18:57.28 | ace77 | Good day to you all :) |
| 18:57.31 | evaded | A bit OT; sorry for this; But an tiny url made, how long time leave it there on that site? |
| 18:57.43 | stew | ma3x: i've been here |
| 18:57.43 | wols_ | abrotman: was looking for a premade thing. not some homegrown |
| 18:57.43 | abrotman | ma3x: some people work for a living :) |
| 18:57.45 | xoz_ | christophe_32ans: is the installer unpacking the packages/files? how far are you in the installation? near the end or the installer still justs load the files. |
| 18:57.45 | ace77 | Could somone help me troublshoot a ndiswrapper/usb problem? |
| 18:57.53 | Gnea | KiraCatgirl: sounds like a hokey font - are you using xfree86 or xorg? |
| 18:57.53 | abrotman | wols_: you could email them and ask .. |
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| 18:58.01 | mejo | Gnea:, nkuttler: yes, ssh -l root works perfectly well. |
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| 18:58.05 | stew | aronofsky: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:58.06 | christophe_32ans | xoz_:it don't want to continuous the install |
| 18:58.10 | KiraCatgirl | Gnea: xfree86 |
| 18:58.16 | nkuttler | mejo: as user backuppc? without interaction? |
| 18:58.16 | Eulex | KiraCatgirl, xfce? |
| 18:58.20 | christophe_32ans | xoz_:now i'm trying install in kernel 2.6 |
| 18:58.21 | Gnea | mejo: so remote root logins are possible? |
| 18:58.23 | xoz_ | christophe_32ans: ok, maybe you try linux26 at bootprompt |
| 18:58.23 | stew | aronofsky: you likely compiled your own kernel and forgot to include alsa's oss compatibility support |
| 18:58.25 | beered | Where do I define default printer for lpr to use? |
| 18:58.26 | ace77 | nobody is running a wirless lan and ndiswrapper here? |
| 18:58.31 | Gnea | KiraCatgirl: sarge? |
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| 18:58.38 | mejo | ssh -l root diana50.kidns.de whoami <- works perfecly well as user backuppc |
| 18:58.39 | aronofsky | stew, is it necessary ? |
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| 18:58.56 | xoz_ | ace77: vague question. restate. |
| 18:58.57 | mejo | nkuttler, Gnea: yes, see last message |
| 18:58.58 | KiraCatgirl | Well I had sarge, and then I upgraded using the commands on the website to unstable |
| 18:59.09 | abrotman | website? |
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| 18:59.18 | xoz_ | !tell ace77 about ask |
| 18:59.19 | stew | aronofsky: for apps that only know how to talk to oss it is (like audacity) |
| 18:59.24 | Eulex | KiraCatgirl, what desktop environment? |
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| 18:59.31 | KiraCatgirl | Gnome |
| 18:59.45 | ma3x | abrotman, any idea if encoding PAL video is possible with 30 fps? |
| 18:59.46 | aronofsky | stew, ok but i dont think its the same for amarok |
| 18:59.48 | Eulex | KiraCatgirl, checked the btw? |
| 18:59.50 | Eulex | *bts |
| 18:59.51 | yggdrasil | can somone post the link for netinstall ? |
| 18:59.54 | yggdrasil | !netinstall |
| 18:59.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 19:00.00 | KiraCatgirl | I don't know what that is, how do I check it? |
| 19:00.04 | livingtm | I just performed a dist-upgrade from sarge to sid, and now my xserver wont start: Error = "Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device" is this a udev problem? |
| 19:00.05 | Eulex | !btssmite KiraCatgirl |
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| 19:00.15 | stew | aronofsky: what device in /dev did you tell amarok to use? |
| 19:00.23 | Eulex | livingtm, yes, very likely. |
| 19:00.27 | KiraCatgirl | Oh that, I think I did. |
| 19:00.42 | livingtm | Eulex, how do i go abou diagnosing udev? |
| 19:00.45 | Gnea | mejo: i'm not sure how much crack the author of backuppc was smoking, but ssh should be called from within rsync, not the other way around |
| 19:01.01 | Eulex | livingtm, what kernel version and what udev version? |
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| 19:01.39 | ace77 | I have installed ndiswrapper and everything seems to have gone well.. I loaded the driver for the wireless adapter and set the ndiswrapper -m. Now on a boot it tells my that wlan0 hasn't been found.. but when i plug/unplug adapter id doesn't call it by it's name only as a high speed usb device |
| 19:01.47 | aronofsky | stew, actually im not even there , i only try te select xine as engine and it tells me directly : "unable to initialize any audio-drivers" |
| 19:01.49 | yggdrasil | i guese im lookign for the how to im trying edit my grub to poitn to the linux installer images and i cant figure out whats up with the .. ramdisk settings... |
| 19:01.52 | ace77 | I had it working on a smaller debian sarge machine and it works fine |
| 19:02.04 | livingtm | Eulex, 2.6.8-2-686, udev 7? |
| 19:02.23 | livingtm | Eulex, no.. how do i tell the udev version |
| 19:02.38 | Eulex | livingtm, no such udev. but one thing is sure: you need at least a 2.6.12 kernel for the udev in testing and unstable. |
| 19:02.41 | xoz_ | ace77: check iwconfig info |
| 19:02.57 | ace77 | i don't have the wireless tools installed |
| 19:02.57 | xoz_ | ace77: what kernel? |
| 19:03.08 | livingtm | Eulex, Ahhh |
| 19:03.09 | ace77 | 2.6-12 i think 2.8-12 Oo |
| 19:03.26 | Eulex | ace77, uname -ar |
| 19:03.31 | xoz_ | ace77: you should install wireless tools for better information |
| 19:03.56 | ace77 | xoz_ yea i know but i figured i could get them in afterwards as in the other machine |
| 19:03.58 | Eulex | ace77, tried modprobing ndiswrapper yourself? |
| 19:04.04 | ace77 | yes |
| 19:04.07 | ace77 | and depmod -a |
| 19:04.18 | Eulex | and? |
| 19:04.20 | stew | aronofsky: you can tell xine on the command line to use alsa, or tell it to in ~/.xine/config |
| 19:04.35 | xoz_ | ace77: checked if you have other conflicting mods loaded? |
| 19:04.43 | ace77 | i'm running the latest testing on my machine same as the other one i previously installed on |
| 19:05.01 | KiraCatgirl | No, my problem is not in the bts. I googled several different things before as well, and only found one reference to the problem from February of this year which was not given a solution. |
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| 19:05.11 | mejo | Gnea: now it seems to work, no idea what exactly was the case. |
| 19:05.17 | aronofsky | Stewn how's taht ? |
| 19:05.18 | mejo | Gnea: thanks for your help |
| 19:05.39 | livingtm | Eulex, is there a kernel image package for 2.6.12? |
| 19:05.49 | ircdevil | !noob |
| 19:05.49 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 19:05.57 | ace77 | xoz_ it is all running fine.. that's why i can't understand why it is not recognizing it |
| 19:06.01 | evaded | When we create an tinyurl, how long time it's been there on the tinyurl website? |
| 19:06.02 | livingtm | ircdevil, nice |
| 19:06.22 | KiraCatgirl | evaded: A very long time. |
| 19:06.29 | xoz_ | ace77: the same kernel with others? |
| 19:06.33 | ace77 | Yes |
| 19:06.36 | stew | aronofsky: man xine ; or read docs in /usr/share/doc/xine-ui i don't know off the top of my head |
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| 19:06.41 | Eulex | livingtm, no. get the 2.6.15 kernel. |
| 19:06.57 | leosol_ | sigh....can someone help w/ a 'testing'->'unstable' dist upgrade? I installed using the netinst process. Then, I modified my sources.list, to change 'etch' to 'unstable'. I did a aptitude update, then aptitude dist-upgrade, and it complains about something with postgresql. |
| 19:07.07 | xoz_ | ace77: same usb device? |
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| 19:07.12 | evaded | KiraCatgirl: So more than an month i supose? Thanks for the reply |
| 19:07.12 | ace77 | indeed |
| 19:07.28 | leosol_ | it won't let me "remove" postgresql (even though I don't need it) when doing a 'apt-get remove postgresql' |
| 19:07.29 | KiraCatgirl | Oh definitely more than a month, and no problem. |
| 19:07.29 | stew | leosol_: postgres might not be currently installable in unstable, check the bts |
| 19:07.30 | xoz_ | ace77: that's odd!!! |
| 19:07.31 | ace77 | i doesn't rubn so well on the other one as it's only a 400 Mhz |
| 19:07.37 | ace77 | get net breaks |
| 19:07.50 | leosol_ | stew: how can i remove postgresql entirely? i don't want/need it. |
| 19:08.06 | nvz | leosol_: does it not occur to you that this is an "on your own" kind of thing? you could have been a little sane and at least fully installed etch first and came in an consulted with us before doing this wickedly foolish thing |
| 19:08.11 | leosol_ | is it (now) a problem w/ my source.list now that i've modified it? |
| 19:08.12 | stew | leosol_: show us the exact errors you are getting, use a pastebin /msg dpkg paster |
| 19:08.23 | ace77 | the only real messages i get are 1 on boot it can't find wlan0 from my interfaces and when i plus/unplug and it give me the d3efault message with the usb location |
| 19:08.39 | livingtm | Eulex, how do i find a package for that kernel? |
| 19:08.57 | stew | livingtm: /msg dpkg testing upgrade kernel |
| 19:08.57 | Eulex | livingtm, apt-cache search linux image 2.6.15 |
| 19:09.14 | leosol_ | nvz: well, what would be the proper way? i've only don'e like 2-3 steps. I will re-install completely if you have a recommended method to simply get to the unstable version. |
| 19:09.23 | stew | livingtm: install the "yaird" package when you install the kernel |
| 19:09.23 | livingtm | ah, i was doing dpkg --search.. too many programs to remember |
| 19:09.32 | AciD | anybody got a DNS server ip ? Mine just died and I can't do anything :o |
| 19:09.33 | Eulex | stew, oh, there's a factoid for it? neat :) |
| 19:09.41 | nvz | leosol_: I would start by evaluating your need for unstable in the first place. |
| 19:09.53 | nvz | leosol_: as you are obviously not the kind of expert or developer that needs it |
| 19:09.59 | ace77 | xoz_ so you really don't have any ideas for me then? |
| 19:10.02 | leosol_ | nvz: ok, true dat. ALL I really want is a server running apache 2.0, MySQL, and PHP5.0. |
| 19:10.12 | nvz | leosol_: sarge has that |
| 19:10.13 | stew | Eulex: yeah but the etch one needs some tlc probably, upgrading kernels now is very hairy with all the udev/yaird/initramfs incompatibilities |
| 19:10.18 | nvz | !info apache2 sarge |
| 19:10.22 | xoz_ | ace77: how many usb device you have :)? |
| 19:10.28 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 19:10.30 | nvz | !info php5 sarge |
| 19:10.35 | leosol_ | nvz: but i tried the php5 install and it needed a version of libxml2 that wasn't supported in sarge |
| 19:10.38 | Eulex | stew, very true. |
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| 19:10.43 | ace77 | plugged in? one it's a mouse in the front of the machine the wireless adapter is in the back |
| 19:10.50 | ace77 | i have 2 more slots on top of that |
| 19:10.51 | xoz_ | !depends php5 |
| 19:11.01 | dpkg | php5: depends on libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.1.2-1) | libapache-mod-php5 (>= 5.1.2-1) | php5-cgi (>= 5.1.2-1), php5-common (>= 5.1.2-1) |
| 19:11.16 | stew | Eulex: i don't know if its even possible to upgrade from 2.4 in etch using apt anymore |
| 19:11.29 | nvz | leosol_: umm backport or something, ffs you dont jump 2 major distros when you dont know shit about the system so that you can aggrivate people to help you everytime the shit breaks |
| 19:11.47 | nvz | !depends libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:11.49 | mod^ | why /var/log/auth.log has "error: PAM: Authentication failure for mod" -when I try to login over SSH? |
| 19:11.50 | livingtm | Eulex, thx |
| 19:11.50 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php5: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.3 (>= 4.3.28-1), libgdbm3, libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8a-1), libxml2 (>= 2.6.23), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache2-mpm-prefork (>> 2.0.52), php5-common (= 5.1.2-1), libmagic1 |
| 19:11.53 | Eulex | stew, yes, I've seen some people having quite some problems upgrading to etch from sarge. |
| 19:12.06 | leosol_ | nvz: like I said. I'm new, so just trying to get it working w/ minimal aggrivation :) |
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| 19:12.15 | nvz | xoz_: ^^ libxml2 >= 2.6.23 |
| 19:12.26 | YogSothoth | I apt-get installed subversion then I compiled a newer version and now I want to revert back to the apt-get version, how can I? |
| 19:12.30 | nvz | !info libxml2 sarge |
| 19:12.34 | dpkg | libxml2: (GNOME XML library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.16-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 587 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB |
| 19:12.49 | xoz_ | !bobbitt |
| 19:12.49 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 19:13.21 | nvz | leosol_: well trying to directly install sid without and knowledge about how to run an unstable distro is not the least aggrivation |
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| 19:14.00 | xoz_ | nvz: life is like a box of chocolate in sid. you'll never know what you gonna get :). |
| 19:14.14 | nvz | leosol_: you appear to be right about the libxml2 though, it the apache2+php5 marrige wants libxml2 >= 2.6.23 and sarge has 2.6.16-7 |
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| 19:14.41 | leosol_ | nvz: what do u recommend? netinst of etch? I had sarge up and running, but yes, libxml2 was giving me just as many hassles figureing out how to get an "unstable" version running on a "stable" distro release. |
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| 19:15.11 | nvz | leosol_: I am still investigating the libxml2 situation |
| 19:15.18 | ace77 | xoz_ any ideas of somthing i can try... cause their is no way in hell i'm switching to MSW lol but i need my net |
| 19:15.22 | ace77 | MS* |
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| 19:15.55 | nvz | leosol_: etch and sid have the same version of libxml2, so you can either install sarge and backport the libxml2 from sid or etch, or you can run etch. either way there is no need for sid |
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| 19:16.32 | leosol_ | nvz: thx. i'll retry a php5 install w/ etch w/out trying a distro upgrade. |
| 19:16.33 | nvz | leosol_: yes this shit is absolutly uncalled for to have broken packages in stable.. but sarge has been a bastard child ever since it was concieved |
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| 19:16.48 | xoz_ | ace77: dpkg --get-selections > computer1. goto computer2, dpkg --set-selections < computer1... then apt-get dselect-upgrade in computer2. |
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| 19:17.16 | xoz_ | ace77: im thinking you missed some progs so you should copy the progs you have in the other computer. |
| 19:17.50 | aronofsky | stew, I never had to do that and it was working great before I reinstall my system , it must be something silly ... moreover xmms+alsa is working so ... |
| 19:17.58 | xoz_ | ace77: make them exactly the same and hope that it will make your wireless work :)... otherwise, you have a flaky usb or computer. |
| 19:17.59 | ace77 | all i did in the first computer to get it working was , ndiswrapper -i inffile, make, make install, re-plug the device |
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| 19:18.00 | nvz | leosol_: when you upgrade from sarge->etch or etch->sid it helps to know how the package management system works, and how to resolve breakage, as well as how to use the bts, read changelogs, dissasemble and rebuild packages..etc not to mention installing simple tools like apt-listbugs could provide invaluable foresight that could avoid serious problems |
| 19:18.15 | ace77 | oh and edit the interfaces |
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| 19:18.25 | stew | aronofsky: was audacity working before you reinstalled? |
| 19:18.43 | aronofsky | stew, i wasn't using it |
| 19:18.44 | ace77 | i'll see if i can micky mouse somthing together ;) |
| 19:18.52 | xoz_ | ace77: yep. install wireless tools. iwconfig may help you troubleshoot |
| 19:18.52 | leosol_ | nvz: no doubt. a learning process for me, but thx for help. re-trying now. |
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| 19:19.01 | nvz | leosol_: most important is exersizing patience and thinking things through first.. and trying to resolve issues without having to rely on extreme measures. |
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| 19:19.08 | Coke | I have an nvidia c51 motherboard and an amd 64 cpu, so far my googling has revealed nothing on what hwmon driver I need to get the CPU temperature. How can I find out if my MB is supported? |
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| 19:20.22 | xoz_ | Coke: sensord? |
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| 19:20.35 | braunkraut | hey there |
| 19:20.36 | uwe | hello, ive downloaded the netinstall and business card iso images from debian.org for a 64bit machine, both give me "attempting to boot from cd-rom" and stop there, is this a known issue? |
| 19:20.36 | r3c4ll | como habilito las conexiones remotas a mysql 4.1 desde sarge? ya puse 192.168.0.0 en my.cfg y agregue al usuario root con la maquina % (todas) en la tabla user... hice GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO root@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'mi_clave''; en la consola local de mysql y nada :P |
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| 19:20.56 | evaded | !es |
| 19:20.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:21.00 | xoz_ | uwe: try linux26 at bootprompt? |
| 19:21.31 | uwe | xoz_ i dont reach that phase! |
| 19:21.39 | braunkraut | bit of a dilemma here, have X11 forwarding setup via SSH and everything works peachy. Unfortunately I have some applications that require elevated privileges and those will not work when called via sudo, any idea how to get around this? |
| 19:21.42 | evaded | r3c4ll: go to #debian-es or so, here we not understand |
| 19:21.47 | klync | does apache2 not use apache-modconf? |
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| 19:22.11 | raf256 | what apps use GTK? |
| 19:22.11 | xoz_ | uwe: how did you make your cdrom? |
| 19:22.17 | raf256 | any examples? |
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| 19:22.24 | aronofsky | stew, actually i try to add oss suport , what should I add , OSS pcm API ? |
| 19:22.30 | Coke | xoz_: it requires lm-sensors |
| 19:22.36 | klync | braunkraut: you can su to that user, set the DISPLAY variable, and use xauth to import the credentials |
| 19:22.36 | LakersFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.41 | evaded | raf256: Synaptic package manager?? |
| 19:22.51 | XenReborn | hey, i wanted to know, how oftened do the stable packages get updated on the servers ? like frequently or once per major version ? |
| 19:22.58 | raf256 | something else as well? |
| 19:23.00 | XenReborn | and are these changes mirrord in the isos ? |
| 19:23.09 | raf256 | yes, this is GTK fault all right |
| 19:23.12 | nvz | raf256: audacity, mozilla-firefox, aumix-gtk, synaptic, gnome-sudo, gnome-panel, xfce4-panel, dopewars... |
| 19:23.15 | raf256 | where should I report that all GTK apps are fucked up? |
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| 19:23.24 | raf256 | (crashing all the time, or problems displaying self) |
| 19:23.30 | xoz_ | braunkraut: like what apps? |
| 19:23.35 | raf256 | dpkg -i libgtk ? |
| 19:23.38 | raf256 | -l |
| 19:23.39 | ace77 | xoz_ omfg your not gonna believe this.. |
| 19:23.41 | nvz | raf256: you shouldnt, you should troubleshoot |
| 19:23.50 | raf256 | nvz: how to? |
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| 19:24.01 | raf256 | nvz: it started a minute ago, I think I update part of GTK |
| 19:24.01 | ace77 | xoz_ thanks for your help :\ |
| 19:24.05 | nvz | raf256: well what is the problem? |
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| 19:24.08 | xoz_ | ace77: what happened? |
| 19:24.14 | xoz_ | ace77: interfaces? |
| 19:24.17 | ace77 | You really want to know? :( |
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| 19:24.23 | raf256 | nvz: with some themes all apps crash like each 30 seconds |
| 19:24.27 | xoz_ | ace77: entertaing me? |
| 19:24.34 | ace77 | my roomate isa an idiot and gave me HER dlink cd and lost mine somewhere... |
| 19:24.38 | XenReborn | HELLO ? |
| 19:24.38 | Denmark | what nick has gurkan? |
| 19:24.41 | Unetixs | Is there anyone here who uses SpamAssassin who could give me a general idea of how it functions? Google keeps throwing me links in laymans terms about how it scores emails based on how spamlike their headings and stuff are, but I want to know how it physically accesses the data, where/when it reads the files, etc. The source is kind of large, does anyone know of a site that explains it generally in brief? |
| 19:24.42 | maxman | Hello. I want to mount a USB flash drive. Does anyone know how to find uoy the filesystem type of that device? |
| 19:24.42 | XenReborn | anyone know ??? |
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| 19:24.46 | raf256 | nvz: in other GTK themes some parts are wrongly drawed, like main menu have weired black bacground etc |
| 19:24.51 | raf256 | nvz: there are mem leaks |
| 19:24.55 | evaded | raf256: Reinstall gtk?? |
| 19:25.11 | nvz | raf256: what distro? |
| 19:25.13 | ace77 | So it was obviosly the wrong driver.... |
| 19:25.19 | xoz_ | ace77: heheh |
| 19:25.22 | aronofsky | anyone , what should I add to my kernel to get OSS support , OSS pcm API ? |
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| 19:25.27 | braunkraut | klync: you're talkign about importing the xauthority file of the regular user I connect as? |
| 19:25.32 | ace77 | thanks again for looking through the problem with me |
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| 19:25.53 | raf256 | nvz: debian unstable |
| 19:25.55 | xoz_ | ace77: always good to have a listener at the other end ;) |
| 19:26.04 | klync | braunkraut: as the regular user, do `echo $DISPLAY` and `xauth list` .... |
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| 19:26.22 | stew | aronofsky: CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS |
| 19:26.22 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 19:26.28 | JQuazar | I've got a sarge build here and forgot the root password. Can I recover/reset it using the Sarge netinst CD? |
| 19:26.29 | evaded | raf256: It's possible you need to wait(or try to help), the time it's debuged; |
| 19:26.33 | raf256 | is debian unstable xorg 6.9.0 usable/quite stable yet? or should I expect it will fail to work or crash constantly |
| 19:26.39 | ace77 | lol ;) i'll be back when i'm on my debian testing ;) need to get of this stupid MS crap... lol ever thought you'd hear an MCSE complain about windows ;) lol cya aftrer guys |
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| 19:26.42 | uwe | xoz_ ive burned them "burn-image" using nero on a windows machine |
| 19:26.52 | raf256 | evaded: yes... against what should I file bug report? libgtk? gtk |
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| 19:26.58 | klync | braunkraut: then, after doing `su`, do `export $DISPLAY=_whatever_` and `xauth add __my_credentials_for_this_session_` |
| 19:27.04 | nvz | raf256: maybe you need to file a bug against libgtk-2.0 *shrug* so far I havent heard anything wrong.. if a program crashes just because I install a certain theme leads me to believe the theme or the user is to blame, not the toolkit.. |
| 19:27.17 | Charbal | I'm using etch and dropped my keyboard on the floor. Somehow, this triggered some sort of magnification mode and now I only see about 75% of my X display at any time (moving the mouse to the edge scrolls to see the rest). Any easy way to change it back or should I just restart X? I'm using fluxbox if it makes a difference. |
| 19:27.19 | braunkraut | klync: thanks, i'll give that a shot |
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| 19:27.26 | th0ger_ | Which packages should I install to compile and run java? |
| 19:27.35 | aronofsky | Stew, i compile it as a module and when i do make modules_install it tells me : WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.15.6/kernel/sound/core/oss/snd-pcm-oss.ko needs unknown symbol snd_unregister_oss_device |
| 19:27.38 | evaded | raf256: Yes, filling an bug report or so. But look if there are not already one. |
| 19:27.39 | JQuazar | Charbal, why not just restart X? |
| 19:27.50 | Denmark | th0ger, what do you mean? Run java class-files and/or jar-files? |
| 19:27.56 | Denmark | th0ger, java webstart? |
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| 19:28.02 | nvz | Charbal: Ctrl+Alt and the plus or minus keys, usually the left ctrl+alt and the plus/minus keys on the number pad will change the screen resolution |
| 19:28.02 | rindolf | Does "oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1d2" messages in /var/log/messages mean the system ran out of memory? |
| 19:28.08 | Denmark | th0ger, Java development kit? |
| 19:28.14 | braunkraut | klync: that worked perfectly! |
| 19:28.18 | thingfish | !tell JQuazar about I forgot root's password |
| 19:28.18 | braunkraut | klync: thanks |
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| 19:28.21 | klync | np |
| 19:28.24 | Charbal | nvz: Thanks, that fixed it for me. |
| 19:28.25 | raf256 | anyone using xorg 6.9.0 on unstable? |
| 19:28.36 | nvz | Charbal: the virtual resolution stays the same, just the physical resolution changes.. so you are are at say 640x480 scrolling around your 1024x768 desktop |
| 19:28.39 | raf256 | it better not render my system unusable otherwise Im screwed |
| 19:28.40 | th0ger_ | Denmark: actually botj jar and .class/.java |
| 19:28.41 | xoz_ | uwe: we have to erase the possibility that the cd is a bootable device. otherwise, we will be spending our time in a problem that does not exist. |
| 19:28.43 | stew | aronofsky: i dunno, did you make dep? |
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| 19:28.54 | knoxy | gostaria de saber como fazer o cups reconhecer impressoras lx-300 no debian |
| 19:28.55 | evaded | raf256: Sorry, i had not been understand; You not know if to fill for libgtk or gtk? Idem here |
| 19:29.01 | thingfish | !br |
| 19:29.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:29.03 | th0ger_ | Denmark: some development kit, but what is it called? |
| 19:29.24 | xoz_ | uwe: err, erase the possibility that the cd is not a bootable device. |
| 19:29.28 | uwe | xoz_ , i did, i tried booting suse DVD, and it worked |
| 19:29.28 | raf256 | evaded: yes, I wonder against what package shold I report bug? |
| 19:29.30 | aronofsky | stew, yes , unnecessary |
| 19:29.35 | raf256 | btw, anyone using X11 / xorg 6.9.0 ? |
| 19:29.37 | Denmark | th0ger, http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=22&PartDetailId=jdk-1.5.0_06-oth-JPR&SiteId=JSC&TransactionId=noreg |
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| 19:29.45 | xoz_ | uwe: ok |
| 19:29.45 | Denmark | th0ger, I guess thats what you want. |
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| 19:30.23 | th0ger_ | Denmark: Now im using apt-get of course... |
| 19:30.27 | xoz_ | uwe: with the info you have, we really can't go forward. can you google for similar problem first? |
| 19:30.45 | evaded | raf256: I look a bit in 'reportbuf' |
| 19:30.45 | uwe | xoz_ , ok, will do instantly |
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| 19:30.50 | rindolf | Do "oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1d2" messages in /var/log/messages mean the system ran out of memory? |
| 19:30.54 | cshaman | hello all. |
| 19:30.56 | Denmark | th0ger, you cannot (afaik) apt-get jdk 5.0 easy. |
| 19:31.09 | outlaw84 | I got this .bin file that is poorly constructed... is there a way to uncompress it? when I file it I get that it is a "Bourne shell script text executable" |
| 19:31.10 | Denmark | th0ger, not if you want the sun one. |
| 19:31.20 | evaded | raf256: I look a bit in 'reportbug', try to get a bit more info, there is an need to look for these two packages. |
| 19:31.27 | juhov | raf256: I'd suggest at least creating a new user and trying to reproduce the problem with that user before you file a bug |
| 19:31.34 | xoz_ | uwe: or you can try installing using usb. |
| 19:31.50 | th0ger_ | Denmark: no apt-mirrors with sun java? |
| 19:31.59 | raf256 | ok |
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| 19:32.28 | raf256 | juhov: evaded: ok, Im trying to see if 6.9.0 xorg and upgrading all X, GTK libs perhaps will fix it.. |
| 19:32.31 | Denmark | th0ger, probably .. but I recommend installing it yourself. In /usr/local/ tree of course. |
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| 19:33.01 | Denmark | th0ger, its not free software, so the debs are harder to install. |
| 19:33.10 | Neverth | sun java... need .deb package? |
| 19:33.11 | xoz_ | uwe: can you try ubuntu if you encounter the same problem? |
| 19:33.36 | stew | th0ger_: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:33.45 | stew | th0ger_: i don't recommend installing it yourself |
| 19:33.50 | mod^ | Why I can't login with SSH after running shadowconfig on? |
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| 19:33.55 | stew | Neverth: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:33.56 | Denmark | stew: And why not? |
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| 19:34.01 | OzN | hi |
| 19:34.05 | Neverth | i know that, ive used it |
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| 19:34.30 | Neverth | thus now no need for that, just installing j2re is enough here :p |
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| 19:34.51 | stew | Denmark: becuase then apt won't know about it, /usr/bin/java and /usr/bin/javac won't point to the right place (/etc/alternatives won't know about it) it won't set up the browser plugins for you |
| 19:34.58 | mod^ | ..anybody? |
| 19:35.17 | uwe | xoz_ um, ill look if i can empty cds around |
| 19:35.17 | Denmark | stew, seems that the debian situation have improved, thank you very much for the hint! |
| 19:35.46 | Denmark | stew, wouldn't it work for sarge too? |
| 19:35.57 | stew | Denmark: it works for sarge too |
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| 19:36.12 | th0ger_ | stew: right! i dont want to install java manually. apt must know about it. how how? |
| 19:36.14 | Denmark | :D |
| 19:36.20 | stew | th0ger_: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:36.25 | Denmark | th0ger, listen to stew. |
| 19:36.31 | th0ger_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.31 | xoz_ | uwe: try other distros. if they burp the same problem, perhaps it is something about your hardware unless your hardware is really *different*. |
| 19:36.42 | Denmark | th0ger, the debian GNU/Linux situation has improved! |
| 19:36.46 | SimonRaven | only second time he's been told, tell him again |
| 19:37.14 | th0ger_ | SimonRaven: love u too |
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| 19:37.17 | Neverth | th0ger, install java-package, then get java from sun site (.bin), then give the .bin file to jpkg |
| 19:37.19 | Denmark | xoz_, test your hardware, maybe its broken. |
| 19:37.32 | stew | (or just use debian-unofficial.org) |
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| 19:37.50 | SimonRaven | th0ger_: gee, and you don't even know me. you're sweet |
| 19:38.05 | cshaman | for those of you that are coders...i'm assuming you all normally use aptitude to handle packags -- but if you've downloaded source code for an application that already exists, and you compile it, do you have to create a package to be able to use it? |
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| 19:38.09 | SimonRaven | (that was only half-facetious) |
| 19:38.12 | xoz_ | Denmark: my harware is working fine |
| 19:38.25 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 19:38.28 | Denmark | xoz_, nice, but how do you know? |
| 19:38.31 | cshaman | ...and if you compile a program, don't you have to worry about where files are being saved to on your harddrive, just as you normally would if you didn't have aptitude? |
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| 19:38.41 | alkoma | nvz: turn out I can get away with "deb file:/mnt/jigdo/1/debian etch contrib main" work like a charm - i guess the folks who build whose cd must have tested it that way, instead of building a bunch of cdroms |
| 19:38.41 | livingtm | okay, i go tthrough the kernel upgrade okay, now the server is still failing, complaining about not being able to find the pointing device at /dev/input/mice |
| 19:39.00 | stew | livingtm: modprobe mousedev ; add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 19:39.00 | xoz_ | Denmark: how the hell you are asking me this stupid question? |
| 19:39.17 | Denmark | xoz_, sorry .. I mixed nicks ... I as trying to hit Ute... |
| 19:39.23 | nvz | alkoma: yeah well thats what I was telling you you would have to put them all in one place and add them all regularly |
| 19:39.26 | xoz_ | Denmark: ah, np/ |
| 19:39.27 | Denmark | xoz_, Uwe, even. |
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| 19:39.34 | nvz | alkoma: you cant use them as cdrom sources because they are not cdroms |
| 19:39.37 | xoz_ | Denmark: yep. |
| 19:39.45 | SimonRaven | cshaman: no; thou i personally try to do so, since it's still easier, unless it's something small, like a binary, man page, and some conf files |
| 19:39.50 | SimonRaven | though* |
| 19:40.11 | alkoma | nvz: yes. that's true. |
| 19:40.16 | nvz | alkoma: nobody in their right mind would download the ISOs if they didnt plan on burning them, thats why it doesnt work.. we would just build a local mirror with one of a dozen other tools |
| 19:40.21 | Denmark | what nick has gurkan? |
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| 19:40.27 | stew | Denmark: tarzeau |
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| 19:40.37 | Denmark | nvz: You are actually mistaken. |
| 19:40.49 | Denmark | nvz, sorry .. I missed the context. |
| 19:40.57 | shatten | hi |
| 19:40.57 | Denmark | stew, thanks |
| 19:41.00 | alkoma | nvz: well, I just want to help out the "Debian Installer" folks :) |
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| 19:41.26 | Denmark | tarzeau is here? |
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| 19:41.40 | xoz_ | !seen tarzeu |
| 19:41.41 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'tarzeu', xoz_ |
| 19:41.48 | xoz_ | !seen tarzeau |
| 19:41.48 | dpkg | tarzeau is currently on #debian (17h 27m 56s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 5h 2m 46s |
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| 19:42.15 | alkoma | nvz: but it's good to know that the cd image, by itself, is also a proper apt archive |
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| 19:42.36 | nvz | alkoma: yes, but its split into 16 pieces.. |
| 19:42.45 | nvz | alkoma: apt-move would put it all back together |
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| 19:43.00 | SimonRaven | loop mount, set as deb source, and have fun, if you have to use it |
| 19:43.05 | disposable | alkoma: i wouldn't really bother explaining myself to nvz, he hasn't helped anyone yet. (as far as i remember) |
| 19:43.19 | denon | has anyone seen ettercap (and I suspect most any other sniffing app) throw a "getifaddrs: Connection refused"? Logged in as root.. |
| 19:43.31 | denon | google seems to show a lot of results, but all people with the problem, not many with the solution |
| 19:43.32 | nvz | alkoma: but all in all you did it the hard way. if you just wanted a local apt source for many debian boxes you could have used one of a dozen other options that wouldnt have had you d/l hundreds of mb that you will never use. |
| 19:43.51 | cshaman | SimonRaven: say for instance you were editing and compiling the Gaim source code -- a relatively large project, and you simply wanted to compile and test out your modifications -- would you create a package, or just compile the binary in the source directory and run it from there? |
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| 19:44.12 | stew | cshaman: i'd create a package, without a doubt |
| 19:44.22 | SimonRaven | i'd build the deb from what's there already |
| 19:44.22 | th0ger_ | Denmark, stew, Neverth : The packace I was missing was actually just java-package! (I had java-common already). No need to visit SUN. Why didnt you say that from the beginning ;) |
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| 19:44.50 | cshaman | stew: but if the binary fails, wouldn't it be a bit tedious to get rid of the package, then create another one then install? |
| 19:44.54 | livingtm | stew, modeprobed, the module is loaded, still same error starting x |
| 19:44.54 | nvz | alkoma: apt-cacher is nice if you have a private network with an internet connected machine.. you set that up on X and once A asks X for foo, if it doesnt have it it fetches it from the internet and caches it in case B, C, D, and E want to install it later.. then you only download anything once, but you only download what people will use |
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| 19:44.59 | stew | th0ger_: java-package doesn't provide a jre, it lets you make a .deb from a jre that you download from son |
| 19:45.00 | visik7 | anyone using bacula here ? |
| 19:45.02 | stew | sun* |
| 19:45.05 | Neverth | [21:40] Neverth th0ger, install java-package, then get java from sun site (.bin), then give the .bin file to jpkg |
| 19:45.17 | SimonRaven | apt-get source; drop in debian diff, with --dry-run, testting it, removing / adding / manually patching if need be |
| 19:45.20 | Neverth | \o/ |
| 19:45.22 | stew | cshaman: not at all, its easy to just dpkg -i the new package after you remake it |
| 19:45.22 | sonyman | I'm trying to compile the latest version of dpkg. I managed to get it compiled before, but the architecture was set incorrectly in the final build. Can someone help me so that it sets it correctly during the build process? It set it to mipsel when it needs to be set to ee. |
| 19:45.23 | alkoma | nvz: yes, I will look into those options. |
| 19:45.37 | zinx | so, the debian x strike force fixed the privilege escalation bug in X.org 1.0.0 and up yet? :D |
| 19:45.38 | stew | livingtm: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 19:45.45 | sambrista | hello, i have problems with alsa. I upgraded from kernel 2.4.27 to 2.6.15 and now i have no sound. I execute alsaconf and it finds and configures my card, but it doesn't sound. Can anyone help me_ |
| 19:45.52 | SimonRaven | Neverth: make-jpkg |
| 19:46.00 | sambrista | stew : it says the kernel version that you have |
| 19:46.01 | Neverth | o |
| 19:46.19 | nvz | alkoma: and it even still allows you to get newer packages to all those machines in case they come out because if E asks for foo and X has foo 1.2.3-1 but there is a foo 1.2.3-2 on the server, it will fetch and cache the newer package and deliver it to E, and then have it available for A, B, C, D to upgrade |
| 19:46.24 | stew | sambrista: thanks for that, i was hoping it would tell me the version that livingtm is running |
| 19:46.36 | xoz_ | sambrista: apt-get install aumix... run aumix, make sure speaker and main volume is up |
| 19:46.49 | nvz | alkoma: you may not have wasted less than $3 in Cds/dvds, but you wasted countless hours and bandwidth |
| 19:47.10 | nvz | and still dont have what you set out for really |
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| 19:47.18 | livingtm | stew: erg, it booted into the wrong kernel |
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| 19:47.32 | livingtm | stew, i didnt even think to check |
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| 19:47.35 | maxman | Does anybody know i can change the window manager (i.e. switch from xfce to fluxbox)? |
| 19:47.37 | denon | any thoughts on "getifaddrs: Connection refused"? (as root) |
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| 19:47.44 | th0ger_ | stew: well java -version says Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, and I didnt visit sun... |
| 19:47.48 | alkoma | nvz: not really, all these images are jigdo'ed, so when I need to update, it only updated the part of the cd that changed. |
| 19:47.50 | xoz_ | maxman: in startx? |
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| 19:48.12 | nvz | alkoma: heh, sometimes its better to use the right tool for the job |
| 19:48.23 | xoz_ | th0ger_: you didn't visit because the script downloaded the file from sun for you. |
| 19:48.36 | sonyman | Is noone here knowledgeable about dpkg? I need to be able to upgrade it to proceed further in my quest to upgrade the packages on this box. |
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| 19:48.42 | livingtm | stew: the time/date on the logfiles isnt changing.. how to i start the xserver? i was running xinit |
| 19:48.49 | bla | hi, i need some help, i am have some problem with refresh rates and i found out that debian didnt recognized my SyncMaster 997df, how should i install driver for it? (i've got cd, but these are win drivers) |
| 19:48.56 | stew | th0ger_: there is no way that debian installed a sun jre for you. they can't for legal reasons. either a) you downloaded it from somewhere b) you are using a free jre (like sable/kaffe), not sun, or c) you aren't using debian at all |
| 19:48.58 | th0ger_ | xoz_: that's fancy!! |
| 19:49.03 | alkoma | nvz: yes, the job I am doing is the testing the "Debian Installer" cd set to make sure that they can be used to install a proper system. :) |
| 19:49.06 | stew | livingtm: startx |
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| 19:49.13 | nvz | alkoma: I can just see you now.. you are probably a mechanic or something.. and all your co-workers would just use an air ratchet, but you'd rather show them that you can chage a tire with a tablespoon :P |
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| 19:49.24 | livingtm | stew, uname -r : 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 19:49.29 | maxman | xoz: but startx should be a config file in /etc, shouldn't it? whan i 'locate startx' i can't find anything in /etc |
| 19:49.42 | stew | livingtm: and the "mousedev" module is loaded? |
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| 19:49.56 | xoz_ | maxman: do you use startx or gdm? |
| 19:50.16 | livingtm | stew, mousedev and psmouse show up in lsmod |
| 19:50.17 | maxman | xoz_: oh, gdm. |
| 19:50.20 | bla | hi, i need some help, i have some problem with refresh rates and i found out that debian didnt recognized my SyncMaster 997df, how should i install driver for it? (i've got cd, but these are win drivers) help needed :) |
| 19:50.36 | nvz | alkoma: you should have a virtual machine setup that understands you damn iso files :P and most people would just use the business card iso to test the latest installer code |
| 19:50.48 | xoz_ | maxman: startx reads ~/.xsession and loads the wm from there. gdm doesn't respect your .xsession. |
| 19:50.56 | stew | livingtm: can you put the exact error you are getting into a pastebin? |
| 19:51.12 | stew | xoz_: gdm respects my .xsession |
| 19:51.17 | livingtm | stew, cant start x.. how do i copy and paste into pastebin? |
| 19:51.20 | xoz_ | stew: really? |
| 19:51.23 | th0ger_ | stew: b) how can i see what version? c) i think im using deb :) |
| 19:51.24 | maxman | xoz_: so where is it in gdm then? |
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| 19:51.33 | evaded | gevaerts: I see that you're one xs4all, give these better services that others here in be? |
| 19:51.50 | xoz_ | maxman: if stew says is true, you can edit .xsession and add fluxbox there. |
| 19:51.51 | livingtm | stew: the timestamp on /var/log/Xorg.0.log isnt changing when i run startx |
| 19:51.58 | nvz | bla: and what the hell is a SynMaster 997df? |
| 19:52.22 | sambrista | xoz_ : im running aumix now. By the way, i noticed that i have some sources repeated in the gnome-mixer-applet properties, i mean, Master Digital, synth, microphone... |
| 19:52.25 | gevaerts | evaded: I don't know if the services themselves are better, but at least if you call (or mail) support, thy understand the question (and usually know the answer as well) |
| 19:52.29 | stew | livingtm: scp your log to a website, or use screen to paste it into a browser, or use a browser like w3m that lets you edit text areas with /usr/bin/editor |
| 19:52.51 | bla | nvz: its samsung monitor, i just found out that debian wont recognized him and i have to isntall him manual |
| 19:52.51 | xoz_ | sambrista: you have to up both the master and the pcm. if one is down, there is not sound. |
| 19:52.56 | bla | but i dont know how :) |
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| 19:53.10 | stew | th0ger_: java -version |
| 19:53.19 | stew | xoz_: perhaps you were thinking of .xinitrc? |
| 19:53.24 | xoz_ | sambrista: just up all and check the sound:) |
| 19:53.24 | nvz | bla: what? a monitor, as in a Cathode Ray Tube? |
| 19:53.28 | evaded | gevaerts: I have heard other good things of it, so i look to get more info of it; Thinking to an switch |
| 19:53.37 | livingtm | stew, shouldnt the log timestamp be changing? i want to make sure im not looking at old errors |
| 19:53.37 | bla | nvz:yes |
| 19:53.37 | xoz_ | stew: debian uses xsession by default |
| 19:54.09 | th0ger_ | stew: Java HotSpot... is that sun of kaffe or black...? |
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| 19:54.16 | gevaerts | evaded: the only problem I have with them atm is that their nntp servers are a bit unstable. |
| 19:54.19 | stew | xoz_: it doesn't give a user either by default. startx will read either file, gdm will only read .xsession |
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| 19:54.30 | maxman | xoz_: /etc/X11/Xsession is a shell script and I can't find anything like xfce in there |
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| 19:54.36 | nvz | bla: there is nothing to setup. monitor is a monitor is a monitor. |
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| 19:55.06 | stew | th0ger_: dunno, where does "update-alternatives --display java" say that the link is pointing |
| 19:55.10 | nvz | bla: for best results in high-res graphics modes you may need to enter the sync range(s) and refresh rate(s) |
| 19:55.17 | xoz_ | stew: man startx. it says there that debian uses xsession |
| 19:55.29 | nvz | bla: but even that can usually be guesstimated by screen size |
| 19:55.47 | xoz_ | maxman: /home/<user>/.xsession is read by startx |
| 19:56.01 | bla | nvz: i dont know where to enter sync ranges, that what i need |
| 19:56.07 | nvz | bla: in sarge? |
| 19:56.18 | stew | xoz_: in "man startx" i see .xinitrc listed in FILES but not .xsession |
| 19:56.27 | xoz_ | stew: Note that in the Debian system, what many people traditionally put in the .xinitrc file should go in .xsession instead; |
| 19:56.30 | th0ger_ | stew: pointing to /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java |
| 19:56.41 | sonyman | Can anyone help me to specify the architecture for dpkg to be compiled as? Its building it for mipsel when it needs to be set to ee. |
| 19:56.42 | coolpix | re |
| 19:56.42 | th0ger_ | stew: ie sun! |
| 19:56.44 | maxman | xoz_: there is no file .xsession in ~/ when i ls-la |
| 19:56.44 | xoz_ | stew: you should look for that statement |
| 19:56.45 | bla | nvz: i am a newb for debian, be more specified :) |
| 19:57.02 | nvz | bla: are... you... using.. Debian 3.1 ... 'Sarge' ... |
| 19:57.06 | stew | th0ger_: yeah, then you either downloaded a sun jre, or you are not using debian, since debian cannot legally provide a sun binary |
| 19:57.21 | bla | nvz: ok so how to enter sync ranges? |
| 19:57.21 | xoz_ | maxman: you have to create it like: echo "exec fluxbox" > ~/.xsession |
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| 19:57.31 | nvz | bla: IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ARE USING! |
| 19:57.41 | xoz_ | maxman: and then /etc/init.d/gdm stop... then run startx |
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| 19:57.43 | thingfish | tsk |
| 19:57.49 | maxman | xoz_: xfce must be called shomewhere, so i need to find the file where xfce is started and replace it with fluxbox. right? |
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| 19:58.05 | edditon | Jews Did WTC!!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ |
| 19:58.05 | yetistomps | Anyone use samba in KDE 3.5? are u able to add users in the KControl? |
| 19:58.06 | edditon | Jews Did WTC!!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ |
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| 19:58.09 | nvz | bla: I need to know if you are using XFREE86 or XORG did you download BO, REX, BUZZ, HAMM, SLINK, POTATO, WOODY, SARGE, ETCH?? |
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| 19:58.17 | edditon | Jews Did WTC!!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ |
| 19:58.18 | edditon | Jews Did WTC!!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ |
| 19:58.20 | edditon | Jews Did WTC!!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ |
| 19:58.21 | nvz | which version of debian are you using? |
| 19:58.22 | edditon | Jews Did WTC!!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ |
| 19:58.25 | stew | !ops edditon troll |
| 19:58.25 | edditon | . |
| 19:58.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: edditon troll |
| 19:58.25 | xoz_ | !ops edditon |
| 19:58.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: edditon |
| 19:58.26 | edditon | Jews Did WTC!!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ |
| 19:58.27 | bla | nvz: debian, linux v 3.4.1, release 2.6.12 |
| 19:58.28 | edditon | Jews Did WTC!!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ |
| 19:58.28 | Ronin | !ops edditon racist trolling |
| 19:58.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: edditon racist trolling |
| 19:58.29 | raf256 | edditon: are you a moron? |
| 19:58.30 | edditon | Jews Did WTC!!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ |
| 19:58.31 | Ronin | heh |
| 19:58.32 | edditon | Jews Did WTC!!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ |
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| 19:58.40 | raf256 | what a fucking moron |
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| 19:58.42 | xoz_ | thank alkoma |
| 19:58.49 | xoz_ | thank azeem |
| 19:58.49 | sonyman | that piece of shit |
| 19:58.51 | azeem | it was LoRez I guess |
| 19:58.55 | LoRez | :) |
| 19:58.55 | xoz_ | heh |
| 19:58.58 | yetistomps | a bot maybe |
| 19:59.03 | bla | nvz: debian, linux v 3.4.1, release 2.6.12 |
| 19:59.04 | azeem | split-second decision |
| 19:59.06 | Ronin | :) another day another dummy |
| 19:59.10 | azeem | but you could see it by the k-line |
| 19:59.28 | nvz | bla: that tells me absolutly nothing. |
| 19:59.35 | nvz | bla: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:59.40 | th0ger_ | "xoz_: th0ger_: you didn't visit because the script downloaded the file from sun for you" What do you say to that stew? |
| 19:59.43 | sambrista | xoz_ : nope, it doesn' |
| 19:59.59 | raf256 | how to fix: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=13870 ? |
| 20:00.21 | sambrista | xoz_ : work. now when i try to listen to an mp3, it says that it can't play it |
| 20:00.33 | stew | jvw: does java-package download a jre for you now? |
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| 20:00.47 | gevaerts | raf256: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb |
| 20:00.52 | Cy6erBr4in | Hi all |
| 20:00.55 | xoz_ | th0ger_: you should avoid conflicts... try to filter the info as you see fit. we are just volunteers based on the info and experience we have. |
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| 20:01.00 | yetistomps | I am having trouble adding users in samba in debian. I tried adding users in the KDE control panel and they disappear! Then I tried as root: smbpaswd -a yetistomps (and then gave myself a password) I tried to login from an xp box and viceversa but not dice. smbclient -L winxpbox is ok AND smbclient -L debianbox is ok too. Any ideas? |
| 20:01.08 | bla | nvz: "testing/unstable" thats all i can find in that file... |
| 20:01.25 | nvz | bla: then you need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:01.30 | xoz_ | sambrista: it works in what files? |
| 20:01.31 | th0ger_ | xoz_: no hard feeelings :D |
| 20:01.53 | gevaerts | bla: the numbers you need are at http://hardware.gamespot.com/Samsung-SyncMaster-997DF-5017-S-16-18 |
| 20:01.54 | nvz | bla: choose advanced in the monitor section |
| 20:01.55 | xoz_ | th0ger_: not that i know of |
| 20:02.01 | raf256 | gevaerts: is it safe? it will not fuck up my os? |
| 20:02.18 | bla | ok, i will try now |
| 20:02.32 | raf256 | after upgrading X11 and xorg to 6.9.0 do I have to rebuild builded by hand libs using X, like wxwidgets, allegro? |
| 20:02.36 | xoz_ | th0ger_: debian cannot package sun because of the license. each user must get it from sun, right? |
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| 20:02.44 | stew | raf256: no |
| 20:02.55 | xoz_ | th0ger_: this is similar to pine |
| 20:02.57 | gevaerts | raf256: it is safe. I do that all the time. Of course, if you're nervous, you could also try to remove libxft-dev first |
| 20:03.12 | sambrista | xoz_ : sorry for my writing. It doesn't work on any files |
| 20:03.14 | th0ger_ | xoz_: i understand |
| 20:03.17 | raf256`_ | gevaerts: ok testing it now |
| 20:03.28 | nvz | why the fuck do you keep referring to X11 and Xorg? we understand that the X servers X.org and XFree86 use the X11 protocol you dont need to say both |
| 20:03.34 | sambrista | xoz_: as if the soundcard were not configured |
| 20:03.36 | greench | hello :) |
| 20:04.05 | yetistomps | I reckon no one here atm uses Samba in debian? |
| 20:04.10 | raf256`_ | nvz: because I upgrade both package |
| 20:04.12 | raf256`_ | s |
| 20:04.14 | bla | nvz: "Please enter the video card's bus identifier." what should i enter there? |
| 20:04.15 | greench | could someone help me with the update of nvidia driver |
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| 20:04.19 | xoz_ | sambrista: can you try playing using xmms |
| 20:04.23 | nvz | raf256`_: what? |
| 20:04.25 | gevaerts | bla: leave that empty |
| 20:04.27 | Acidz0r | bla: leave it blank |
| 20:04.33 | sambrista | xoz_: i tried |
| 20:04.38 | bla | k |
| 20:04.41 | nvz | !+info X11 |
| 20:04.43 | dpkg | Package 'x11' does not exist. |
| 20:04.46 | nvz | raf256`_: ^ |
| 20:04.49 | stew | th0ger_: looking at the changelog and README.Debian, it still doesn't download for you, you need to download it by hand |
| 20:04.59 | azeem | !+info x11-common |
| 20:05.06 | dpkg | x11-common: (X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1097 kB, Installed size: 1608 kB |
| 20:05.15 | xoz_ | sambrista: lsmod | grep trident |
| 20:05.25 | sambrista | xoz_: with the 2.4.27 kernel it went fine, i did alsaconf and then it sound |
| 20:05.25 | bla | gevaerts: "amount of memory" thats 128*1024kb? |
| 20:05.35 | Brian_L | !tell Brian_L freenx |
| 20:05.43 | nvz | its part of x.org so saying I upgraded x.org, or I upgraded xserver-xorg and x11-common would be more understandable |
| 20:05.52 | Eulex | bla, leave that empty too |
| 20:05.53 | Brian_L | how do you use !tell ? |
| 20:05.58 | bla | k |
| 20:06.01 | gevaerts | bla: I think so. I usually leave that one blank as well |
| 20:06.05 | juhov | Brian_L: /msg dpkg freenx |
| 20:06.07 | Eulex | !tell Brian_L about tell |
| 20:06.09 | nvz | saying I upgraded X11 and xorg makes no sense at all. |
| 20:06.17 | sambrista | xoz_ : done, i'm going to try it |
| 20:06.25 | navaburo | !tell navaburo about tell |
| 20:06.34 | Brian_L | thanks! |
| 20:06.34 | bla | gevaerts: "Please select the XKB rule set to use." what to enter there ? |
| 20:06.40 | bla | xfree86? |
| 20:06.54 | nvz | !WIDHE |
| 20:06.54 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 20:06.57 | gevaerts | bla: yes |
| 20:06.57 | Eulex | Brian_L & navaburo, but please /msg the bot if you want to talk to him/her/it |
| 20:06.59 | xoz_ | sambrista: any output? |
| 20:07.02 | sambrista | xoz_: no |
| 20:07.05 | nvz | bla: WIDHE |
| 20:07.14 | Cy6erBr4in | Please, help me... How can I create mirror of Debian testing? |
| 20:07.15 | sambrista | xoz_: and it doesn |
| 20:07.17 | stew | livingtm: very odd. is udevd running? you're POSITIVE that mousedev is loaded? |
| 20:07.17 | sambrista | 't sound |
| 20:07.21 | xoz_ | sambrista: lsmod | grep snd, see any familiar driver? |
| 20:07.31 | Le_Vert2 | hey people |
| 20:07.36 | Le_Vert2 | how could i send a new ITP ? |
| 20:07.44 | Le_Vert2 | should i use reportbug |
| 20:07.46 | Le_Vert2 | as usual ? |
| 20:07.50 | livingtm | stew: the udev process exists (ps -A |grep udev) |
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| 20:08.07 | bla | anyone:) "Please select your desired default color depth in bits." what to enter tehre? 24? |
| 20:08.08 | Unetixs | Does anyone know off the top of their heads how to disable non-ssl connections with courier-pop? |
| 20:08.11 | stew | livingtm: what version does "dpkg -l udev" list? |
| 20:08.14 | livingtm | stew: lsmod |grep mouse shows both mousedev and psmouse |
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| 20:08.25 | gevaerts | bla: the one you prefer. 24 should be ok |
| 20:08.38 | Rouke__ | hiya |
| 20:08.43 | livingtm | stew: 0.087-2 |
| 20:08.51 | xoz_ | sambrista: got to go, ask the channel.... good luck. |
| 20:08.53 | bla | "Select the XFree86 server modules that should be loaded by default" what is that ... :( |
| 20:08.54 | yetistomps | how do I find out what kernel I am running? |
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| 20:09.06 | Cy6erBr4in | how can I create mirror with rsync? where can I find docs? |
| 20:09.09 | Eulex | bla, yes, if you haven't got a graphics card from the stone age, where stone age is 97 or older |
| 20:09.10 | livingtm | uname ir |
| 20:09.11 | Rouke__ | yetistomps unmae -r |
| 20:09.12 | livingtm | uname -r |
| 20:09.13 | stew | livingtm: does the "/dev/input/mice" file exist? |
| 20:09.14 | Rouke__ | name |
| 20:09.16 | Rouke__ | heh |
| 20:09.26 | sambrista | xoz_: what do you mind by familiar driver, i can see the driver i used, snd_cs4236 |
| 20:09.28 | raf256 | it seems it worked :) |
| 20:09.31 | livingtm | stew: yep |
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| 20:09.37 | gevaerts | bla: just accept the defaults |
| 20:09.42 | bla | k |
| 20:09.51 | sambrista | xoz: and more snd_* |
| 20:09.58 | disk0dav4 | hello all ... anyone get this vsftpd puzzlette http://pastebin.ca/46361 ? :) I'm sure I do not. |
| 20:09.59 | stew | livingtm: what are the permissions on /dev/input/mice? it should be crw-rw---- |
| 20:10.19 | bla | i am done with that, do i need some other setup or just restart or what? |
| 20:10.20 | livingtm | stew, correct |
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| 20:10.38 | Eulex | sambrista, oh. what exact sound card? |
| 20:10.44 | livingtm | stew, is a laptop with a touchpad, does that make a difference? and a usb mouse |
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| 20:11.06 | Acidz0r | bla: startx with your non-root user |
| 20:11.08 | stew | livingtm: i'm stumpted then. if its there, then udev thinks the device exists. if the device file exists and the device exists, and the permissions are correct, i have no idea why x wouldn't be able to open it |
| 20:11.19 | bla | acidz0r: how to do that :0 |
| 20:11.34 | livingtm | stew, i hate when i upgrade and break everything :-) |
| 20:11.35 | bla | acidz0r: u mean just su to my user? |
| 20:11.42 | stew | livingtm: at least the touchpad should be working. you could /msg dpkg usb-mouse |
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| 20:11.48 | thingfish | bla: log out, ctrl+alt+backspace, log in again. |
| 20:11.52 | Acidz0r | bla: su or exit su, however you like |
| 20:11.56 | bla | kk |
| 20:11.58 | stew | livingtm: err /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 20:12.06 | gevaerts | livingtm: try to use as much as possible from experimental, you'll have even more fun |
| 20:12.11 | livingtm | .msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 20:12.19 | evaded | gevaerts: Bit OT, but the price and the service provided by xs4all ar mush better than Telenet. I not know if it's availeble; but i go to contact him the next comming day for an eventual ISP switch |
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| 20:12.43 | gevaerts | evaded: good luck |
| 20:12.47 | sambrista | Eulex: i'm using an IBM Thinkpad 560X, i don't know exactly which model the soundcard is but with kernel 2.4.27 it worked with cs4236 driver |
| 20:13.05 | evaded | gevaerts: ;-) |
| 20:13.20 | bla | i reloged but some problem appears, in control panel it says its 1280*1024 86hz, but on monitor panel i can see its only 60hz.... what to do : ( |
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| 20:13.29 | bla | same problem* |
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| 20:13.41 | Eulex | sambrista, well, does it work if you use that driver instead? |
| 20:14.15 | Acidz0r | bla: remove or comment the refresh rate lines from /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:14.30 | Eulex | sambrista, oh, misunderstood you. |
| 20:14.37 | thingfish | bla: what kind of video card do you have? |
| 20:14.48 | sambrista | Eulex: what do you mean? I forgot to tell that I've just installed kernel 2.6.15 and now i'm having problems with the sound |
| 20:14.56 | greench | i`ve read from http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html how to update the nvidia driver. i`ve done everything but when i restarted the X everything went down. there is an error 'No valid sreen found' and another in /var/log/Xorg.0.lot - "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)" PLEASE HELP! I haven`t found anything in google and linuxquestions.org |
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| 20:15.06 | bla | thungfish: ati radeon 9600xt |
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| 20:15.34 | Eulex | sambrista, may be a bug. checked your logs? |
| 20:15.44 | Acidz0r | !tell greench -about nvidia one-liner |
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| 20:16.02 | thingfish | bla: which driver did you choose during dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 20:16.09 | sambrista | Eulex : which one do i have to look in? |
| 20:16.14 | Astral_Projectio | hi, can someone help me with xine? |
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| 20:16.30 | Eulex | sambrista, dmesg, syslog? |
| 20:16.31 | bla | thungfish: hmm i am not sure what u ask... i installed driver from ati site |
| 20:16.34 | evaded | Astral_Projectio: Ask and we see... |
| 20:16.34 | Astral_Projectio | I cannot load subtitles |
| 20:16.59 | Astral_Projectio | what is command for xine to load subtitles and movie? |
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| 20:17.07 | Astral_Projectio | xine movie.avi sub.sub |
| 20:17.07 | Astral_Projectio | ? |
| 20:17.09 | Manny | hi |
| 20:17.50 | greench | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 20:17.51 | thingfish | bla: ah, can't really help with that. nvidia, here. |
| 20:17.51 | bla | thingfish: should i just somehow manually edit xf86config-4? |
| 20:17.51 | thingfish | no, bla. |
| 20:17.54 | settked | does anyone use omni printer drivers? |
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| 20:18.07 | settked | can't compile omni under debian etch |
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| 20:18.43 | thingfish | bla: during dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, you should've had a list, a vertical list, of drivers from which to choose. It's early on in the config process. |
| 20:18.43 | bla | thingfish: i have read some forums and i found out that thats not a graphic card problem.... the problem is debian wont recognized my monitor |
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| 20:18.53 | Manny | I'm having problems with dpkg packaging. I analzyed multiple existing packages, including linux-utils, but I don't know how to actually split up one source package into multiple resulting packages. util-linux for instance suddently references debian/tmp-bsd, how does dpkg later recognize that it maps to a package? |
| 20:18.56 | thingfish | bla: ok whatever. |
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| 20:19.09 | Acidz0r | greench: did you downloaded the kernel headers? |
| 20:19.10 | bla | thingfish: i did choose ATi form that list |
| 20:19.18 | thingfish | bla: did you define it correctly during dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:19.18 | Eulex | bla, well, did you actually try to diagnose the problem by looking at your log? and di you choose the fglrx driver? |
| 20:19.20 | Astral_Projectio | does anyone know how to configure xine? |
| 20:19.20 | gevaerts | bla: I don't think so, if the monitor and X disagree, that ounds like a driver problem to me |
| 20:19.20 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Are you using dpkg directly, or debhelper/cdbs/etc? |
| 20:19.23 | Manny | the dpkg control/rules file also vary extremely in syntax and semantics, a bit like init scripts, and I'm not sure what the most clean way is :/ |
| 20:19.34 | greench | Acidz0r, yep |
| 20:19.40 | Manny | JoshTriplett, I'm using the helpers |
| 20:19.40 | _ad_ | hi folks, is there a command line tool which shows me information about my installed RAM? |
| 20:19.42 | Manny | i.e. debhelper |
| 20:19.43 | thingfish | bla: your monitor, I mean. |
| 20:19.46 | sambrista | Eulex : nothing strange |
| 20:19.47 | Eulex | bla, the driver named ati is *not* ati's official driver. fglrx is ati's official proprietary binary driver |
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| 20:20.03 | bla | eulex: i dont know what fglrx |
| 20:20.08 | bla | where to dl that driver |
| 20:20.16 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Then you just need to have multiple binary packages listed in debian/control, and a debian/packagename.install file for each. |
| 20:20.17 | Eulex | !fglrx |
| 20:20.17 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 20:20.23 | Eulex | !ati drivers |
| 20:20.23 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 20:20.26 | livingtm | stew: when i plug in my mouse (usb) i get text on the screen "Microsoft Wireless mouse< 1.0A as /class/input/input4" |
| 20:20.42 | thingfish | bla: you just said that you installed the driver from ati's website. |
| 20:20.51 | bla | yes |
| 20:21.00 | Eulex | bla, you shouldn't do that |
| 20:21.08 | Eulex | sambrista, heh, ok. what exactly happens when you try to play a file with mpg321? |
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| 20:21.11 | bla | hmm what to do now... |
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| 20:21.39 | livingtm | startx immediately returns "Server error." |
| 20:21.40 | sambrista | Eulex : i normally use xmms, but let's try |
| 20:21.42 | Manny | JoshTriplett, excellent. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the syntax of the .install files since none of the built packages contains anything except for the changelog |
| 20:21.50 | yggdrasil | hello i just downloaded something thats rared up in a bunch of idfferent rar files |
| 20:22.01 | bla | eulex: should i remove them somehow :) i just want to stop hurting my eyes with 60hz :) |
| 20:22.03 | Eulex | bla, check the X log? install the driver the correct way? configure X correctly? lots to choose from |
| 20:22.07 | yggdrasil | how do i extract it.. like windows used to put them all together.. |
| 20:22.31 | Manny | my library package libfoo.install for instance contains debian/tmp/usr/lib/* |
| 20:22.31 | petemc | yggdrasil: install unrar |
| 20:22.34 | Eulex | sambrista, console apps generally give much more debug info. |
| 20:22.53 | yggdrasil | petemc thanks |
| 20:23.00 | Manny | but I can't see any operation on debian/tmp. Should I have specified it as prefix for configure? |
| 20:23.14 | Manny | I checked out the gstreamer packages and they also contain references to debian/tmp in the .install files |
| 20:23.34 | greench | Acidz0r, and now am i supposed to do :(? |
| 20:24.13 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Could you make your packaging available somewhere so I can review it? |
| 20:24.13 | ma3x | how do I copy a "stretched" line from 'pico' editor? |
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| 20:25.28 | Acidz0r | greench: Are you runing Sarge? |
| 20:25.35 | greench | yes |
| 20:25.41 | bla | is there some panel, or something i can choose my monitor from? |
| 20:25.44 | Eulex | ma3x, pico is not in debian. you're talking about nano. |
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| 20:26.02 | ma3x | Eulex, that's right, nano |
| 20:26.02 | ongeboren | hi, any ideas how to change the keyboard layout in xfce ? i need to type in different alfabet than latin.. |
| 20:26.10 | BaconTastesGood | I'm looking for a good Debian based secure server distro (no desktop stuff, etc.) that, ideally, runs Zope 2.6 -- any suggestions? |
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| 20:26.27 | Acidz0r | greench: What error did you got when runing the one-liner? |
| 20:26.30 | Eulex | ma3x, -w |
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| 20:26.53 | SimonRaven | *ping* |
| 20:26.55 | Eulex | BaconTastesGood, we don't do debian based in here. only debian. |
| 20:26.58 | ma3x | Eulex, how do you do that!? |
| 20:27.05 | Acidz0r | SimonRaven: *pong* |
| 20:27.06 | Eulex | ma3x, nano -w filename |
| 20:27.09 | BaconTastesGood | Eulex: oh, so only sarge/woody/et. al. |
| 20:27.10 | flaphead | hey... is there any way to have 4 disks at /mnt/storage/ for instance, without using my RAID-controllers JBOD function? I have a HPT370 chip, which there are no good drivers for. |
| 20:27.13 | ftp3 | hey.. when i try and do "apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec" i get this error: http://pastebin.com/612065 |
| 20:27.19 | BaconTastesGood | Eulex: do you know of a channel where I could ask? |
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| 20:27.22 | greench | one what? |
| 20:27.24 | thingfish | bla: get the info from the monitor's manufacturer's website, redo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and put in the right values this time. |
| 20:27.28 | flaphead | right now, my drives are /dev/hdd, e, f and g. |
| 20:27.34 | ongeboren | BaconTastesGood, just debian stable and make sure you have the grsec kernel patch as you're planning to use it as a server |
| 20:27.34 | ma3x | Eulex, I mean how do you copy a line from a file that is 3 or more raws long? |
| 20:27.35 | JoshTriplett | BaconTastesGood: When you say "no desktop stuff, etc", that's just a matter of not installing it. |
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| 20:28.03 | SimonRaven | Acidz0r: when i do that it means i'm about to ping the ping sites |
| 20:28.10 | bla | thingfish: i entered right values for sync ranges (30-96,50-160) but nothings changed |
| 20:28.17 | SimonRaven | @*ping* |
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| 20:28.28 | bla | thingfish: i dont know if there is something else i should do |
| 20:28.40 | Eulex | BaconTastesGood, ##linux? |
| 20:28.42 | sambrista | Eulex: i know. "Playing MPEG stream from Gorillaz - Rock the House.mp3 ... |
| 20:28.42 | sambrista | MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo |
| 20:28.42 | sambrista | " But it doesn't sound |
| 20:28.42 | Acidz0r | SimonRaven: when i answer that i'm joking =P |
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| 20:28.59 | ftp3 | nothing seems to fix that error.. i have tried apt-get -f install, etc |
| 20:29.01 | Eulex | ma3x, -w disables line wrapping. |
| 20:29.05 | Eulex | umh |
| 20:29.06 | Acidz0r | greench: When you ran the one-liner |
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| 20:29.17 | GoAuLd | is there some /proc or /sys file representing de used/total disk space ? as /proc/meminfo represents info about memory |
| 20:29.18 | thingfish | bla: neither do I. I do know that you might have messed things up using ati's drivers, instead of installing drivers the Debian way. |
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| 20:29.40 | yetistomps | I am having trouble adding users in samba in debian. I tried adding users in the KDE control panel and they disappear! Then I tried as root: smbpaswd -a yetistomps (and then gave myself a password) I tried to login from an xp box and viceversa but not dice. smbclient -L winxpbox is ok AND smbclient -L debianbox is ok too. Any ideas? |
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| 20:29.42 | bla | thingfish: whats the debian way of installing drivers? |
| 20:29.57 | SimonRaven | Acidz0r: i know :) |
| 20:30.05 | bla | thingfish: how to install drivers debian way |
| 20:30.19 | Acidz0r | SimonRaven: :) |
| 20:30.27 | JoshTriplett | bla: module-assistant or make-kpkg. |
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| 20:30.32 | gary | I am hopefully going to install debian on my work machine tomorrow. Just wondering though, how many updates are required from 3.0 (that I have on disk) and the latest 3.1? |
| 20:30.38 | zms | GoAuLd: zms@poppy:~$ cat /proc/ide/hda/capacity |
| 20:30.38 | zms | 156301488 |
| 20:30.39 | JoshTriplett | bla: The former being significantly easier. |
| 20:30.43 | gary | lol |
| 20:30.45 | thingfish | bla: using module-assistant. I can't really help you anymore because all I know is nvidia. |
| 20:30.50 | GoAuLd | zms; thank you! |
| 20:30.56 | sepski | !ati |
| 20:30.56 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
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| 20:30.59 | JoshTriplett | bla: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i module-name |
| 20:31.08 | thingfish | bla: just keep asking around, though - plenty of Debian users use ati. |
| 20:31.10 | Eulex | gary, almost everything. |
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| 20:31.17 | sambrista | Euler : i'm going to try removing the 2.4.27-alsa-modules, then i'll tell |
| 20:31.22 | bla | ok |
| 20:31.24 | gary | I may download ubuntu |
| 20:31.25 | greench | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 20:31.37 | Eulex | sambrista, that shouldn't affect anything. |
| 20:31.51 | GoAuLd | zms: do you know someone for Used disk space? |
| 20:32.09 | bla | jostriples: what to write as "module-name" ? |
| 20:32.11 | Acidz0r | greench: Did you got any error runing module assistant? |
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| 20:32.20 | greench | no |
| 20:32.21 | Eulex | GoAuLd, df -h, du -cs / |
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| 20:32.51 | zms | GoAuLd: sorry. only df |
| 20:32.58 | GoAuLd | allright |
| 20:33.01 | zms | GoAuLd: afaik |
| 20:33.35 | GoAuLd | i wonder how df and du know about used space |
| 20:33.36 | bla | joshtriplett: how to know what exactly my "module-name"? |
| 20:33.39 | GoAuLd | just that |
| 20:33.58 | Eulex | GoAuLd, they read your file system? |
| 20:34.03 | Acidz0r | greench: check /usr/src and see if you have the package for nvidia module |
| 20:34.07 | brianJP | hi, anyone know it the kicker(kde taskbar) not working is a known bug? |
| 20:34.30 | Manny | JoshTriplett, sure. Maybe you could check out all the debian/ files, and point out possible pitfalls. Feel free to nit-pick! Thanks in advance for all your help. http://manny.cluecoder.org/packages/macforjosh/ |
| 20:34.37 | Eulex | brianJP, stable/testing/unstable? and not working in what way? |
| 20:34.42 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 20:34.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:34.51 | Manny | http://manny.cluecoder.org/packages/macforjosh/mac_3.99-u4-b4_i386.changes looks exactly like I want it to look |
| 20:35.20 | yggdrasil | how do i create a new user ? |
| 20:35.20 | JoshTriplett | GoAuLd: du stats individual files; df uses statfs. |
| 20:35.20 | zms | GoAuLd: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:35.20 | JoshTriplett | yggdrasil: adduser username |
| 20:35.20 | brianJP | Eulex, unstable, it is not visible any more |
| 20:35.20 | yggdrasil | duh tahnks |
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| 20:35.34 | Eulex | brianJP, well is it running? also, have you checked the bts? |
| 20:35.34 | EightiesK | hey |
| 20:35.34 | brianJP | after a recent apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:35.50 | brianJP | Eulex, bts? |
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| 20:35.54 | JoshTriplett | yggdrasil: Don't forget to add them to relevant groups if you want, such as audio, cdrom, etc. |
| 20:35.56 | Eulex | !btssmite brianJP |
| 20:36.01 | greench | Acidz0r, i have one folder called nv and one debian |
| 20:36.14 | EightiesK | !mount |
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| 20:36.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 20:36.15 | Manny | I've got a build dependency on libc6-dev |
| 20:36.21 | greench | i think i haven`t |
| 20:36.23 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Don't do that. |
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| 20:36.27 | JoshTriplett | Manny: It's build-essential. |
| 20:36.32 | GoAuLd | joshtriplett: thanks, thats what i wanted to know |
| 20:36.38 | EightiesK | is there anyway to make my partitons mounted at startup? |
| 20:36.41 | Acidz0r | greench: copy the names here, in one line |
| 20:36.46 | JoshTriplett | EightiesK: /etc/fstab |
| 20:36.49 | JoshTriplett | EightiesK: man fstab |
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| 20:36.59 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Don't build-depend on anything in build-essential unless you are using a versioned dependency. |
| 20:37.15 | Manny | JoshTriplett, any manpage explaining the precise difference available? |
| 20:37.22 | greench | sarge:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv |
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| 20:37.34 | greench | in nvidia-kernel there are debian and nv |
| 20:37.37 | zms | EightiesK: man fstab |
| 20:37.45 | stew | JoshTriplett: you mean any pacakge marked as essential, not just build-essential |
| 20:37.55 | stew | JoshTriplett: err, both i guess |
| 20:37.57 | Acidz0r | greench: i said /usr/src, a .deb package |
| 20:38.00 | Eulex | greench, in what are you trying to modprobe nvidia? |
| 20:38.14 | JoshTriplett | stew: yes. |
| 20:38.21 | Acidz0r | Eulex: sarge |
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| 20:38.36 | Manny | JoshTriplett, thou shall be my manpage! :) |
| 20:38.43 | zms | Acidz0r: I presume you installed nvidia-kernel-<linux-kernel-version>? |
| 20:38.44 | greench | the same FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 20:38.53 | Eulex | Acidz0r, no, linux text console vs X terminal emulator |
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| 20:39.02 | JoshTriplett | Manny: What do you mean by "the precise difference available"? |
| 20:39.19 | zms | greench: nvidia-kernel-<linux-kernel-version> installed? |
| 20:39.20 | Acidz0r | Eulex: ask greench |
| 20:39.20 | livingtm | stew: i just ran gdm stop, and it gave me X, at the gdm login prompt... |
| 20:39.25 | Eulex | greench, ^^ |
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| 20:39.33 | zms | Acidz0r: sorry |
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| 20:39.40 | Acidz0r | zms: np =P |
| 20:39.41 | JoshTriplett | Manny: If you're referring to the information about build-essential, try Debian Policy. |
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| 20:39.44 | greench | a :)? |
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| 20:39.59 | mage | hello, I'm getting the following error when I try to remove the mozilla-thunderbird package : http://rafb.net/paste/results/OLYHGz89.html .. any idea ? |
| 20:40.03 | Eulex | greench, no, I pointed at what I said to Acidz0r |
| 20:40.34 | ftp3 | so maybe someone could help me with a clue, i can't use apt now due to this error.. it keeps freaking out "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 20:40.36 | lightcap | If using virtual hosts with apache is there any way to tell apt-get / dpkg to install packages to the virtual server rather than the default debian location? |
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| 20:40.45 | zms | greench: apt-get search nvidia-kernel |
| 20:40.46 | greench | Acidz0r, ok ai installed it nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 20:40.56 | chkbsd | hi |
| 20:40.59 | chkbsd | knows anyone how to tunnel via ssh to a waiting xdm XDMCP server? |
| 20:41.04 | Manny | ugh, so I hosed Standards-Version as well |
| 20:41.06 | Manny | thanks Josh |
| 20:41.10 | chkbsd | to login via xdm |
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| 20:41.27 | zms | greench: now "module-assistant" and follow the gui |
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| 20:41.55 | zms | greench: as root or with sudo |
| 20:43.04 | JoshTriplett | chkbsd: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20041117115414383 |
| 20:43.08 | Manny | JoshTriplett, but libc6 can simply be marked as Depends, right? |
| 20:43.27 | azeem | Manny: library depends are picked up automatically by dh_shlibdeps |
| 20:43.28 | JoshTriplett | chkbsd: First Google hit for "ssh tunnel xdmcp". |
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| 20:43.41 | azeem | maybe I should read scrollback |
| 20:43.46 | Eulex | Manny, depending on build-essential will take care of that. |
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| 20:44.15 | Manny | what about nasm? It is only needed for i386? For now I have Build-Depends: nasm [i386] |
| 20:44.27 | zms | ftp3: what command did you issue? |
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| 20:44.52 | azeem | Manny: is the package i386 specific in general? |
| 20:45.07 | JoshTriplett | Manny: That's correct. |
| 20:45.11 | Acidz0r | zms: if m-a installed the module he should be able to modprobe nvidia, why he would need to run m-a? |
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| 20:45.41 | giacus | hello |
| 20:45.46 | JoshTriplett | Manny: OK, some comments: |
| 20:45.50 | Manny | azeem, if I get configure.in correctly it's only used with arch set to 386 |
| 20:46.00 | JoshTriplett | Manny: You should have long descriptions for the packages in debian/control, not just short descriptions. |
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| 20:46.18 | ProN00b | i need a commandline utility to decode bas64 |
| 20:46.25 | ProN00b | apt package name plx ^^ |
| 20:46.28 | azeem | Manny: then you can specify that in debian/control's Architecture: line and don't need to worry about [i386] in Build-Depends |
| 20:46.36 | giacus | I cant get usb scanner working with xsane as user, cant find any usb device. It work as root. Kernel is 2.6.15 |
| 20:46.59 | JoshTriplett | azeem: No, it sounds like he's saying that nasm is only used on i386. |
| 20:47.09 | giacus | usin udev, not hotplug |
| 20:47.13 | azeem | ok then :) |
| 20:47.13 | Coweater | giacus: are you in the scanner group? |
| 20:47.16 | stew | ProN00b: uudeview |
| 20:47.17 | Acidz0r | giacus: check your user permission |
| 20:47.19 | zms | Acidz0r: I think he will still need to compile modules for his kernel version... (but then these are _opre-compiled_) |
| 20:47.19 | giacus | Coweater: yeah |
| 20:47.31 | JoshTriplett | Manny: BTW, you should not be building a native package; you want a .orig.tar.gz and a .diff.gz |
| 20:47.35 | giacus | Acidz0r: what permissions ? |
| 20:48.07 | Acidz0r | giacus: if your user is in the scanner group |
| 20:48.12 | giacus | sure |
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| 20:48.29 | ProN00b | stew, how do i use that ? |
| 20:48.33 | giacus | already did adduser myuser scanner |
| 20:48.46 | Manny | azeem, no, it CAN be built on PPC |
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| 20:48.53 | Manny | (Ill do that later) |
| 20:48.54 | stew | ProN00b: uudeview filename |
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| 20:48.55 | azeem | Manny: ok sorry |
| 20:48.55 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Yes, it looks like nasm is only needed on i386 but the package builds on other architectures, so you should use Build-Depends: nasm [i386] |
| 20:48.59 | giacus | as user it only detect my tv card, not the usb scanner |
| 20:49.03 | zms | greench: Acidz0r is correct. just modprobe nvidia |
| 20:49.09 | ftp3 | zms? here is what happened http://pastebin.com/612065 |
| 20:49.18 | azeem | Manny: don't put debhelper into Build-Depends-Indep, it's a Build-depends |
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| 20:49.25 | azeem | dunno if JoshTriplett already told you that |
| 20:49.34 | stew | ProN00b: actually that might only be for emails, if you have raw b64 data that might not be what you want |
| 20:49.46 | Acidz0r | giacus: is 'scanner' a valid group in /etc/group ? |
| 20:49.49 | ProN00b | stew, just wanted to say that |
| 20:49.55 | ProN00b | know anything for raw data ? |
| 20:50.03 | giacus | Acidz0r: looking |
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| 20:50.14 | JoshTriplett | Manny: You need to include a full copy of the license in debian/copyright, not referencing another file. Also, reading the license, you should use Section: non-free/sound in debian/control. |
| 20:50.30 | giacus | Acidz0r: scanner:x:107:jack |
| 20:50.40 | JoshTriplett | Manny: You can use links -dump to create a text copy from src/License.htm |
| 20:50.43 | Acidz0r | giacus: ok, check also if your user is in the plugdev group |
| 20:50.44 | giacus | also .. saned:x:109:jack |
| 20:50.48 | stew | ProN00b: i'm sure there is but don't know off the top of my head, apt-cache search base64 |
| 20:50.58 | JoshTriplett | Manny: (Do that once and include it in debian/copyright; don't do it at build-time :) ) |
| 20:51.08 | gevaerts | ftp3: try dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libavc1394-0_0.5.1-1_i386.deb, followed by apt-get install -f |
| 20:51.18 | giacus | Acidz0r: already on it, yeah |
| 20:51.19 | zms | ftp3: I am not sure but this could be a bug with this specific package. Did you try (re)installing any other package? |
| 20:51.24 | ftp3 | zms, ok thanks |
| 20:51.46 | Manny | after all, this is #debian :) |
| 20:51.50 | azeem | Manny: hehe |
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| 20:52.05 | azeem | Manny: I assume this is a local package anyway? Then it is not critical of course |
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| 20:52.18 | JoshTriplett | azeem: True, but better to use best practices in any case. |
| 20:52.19 | Manny | azeem, it probably won't stay local forever |
| 20:52.21 | Acidz0r | giacus: check for wich group is the device runing |
| 20:52.25 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Right. |
| 20:52.38 | ma3x | how do I install gecko-sdk ? |
| 20:52.44 | giacus | Acidz0r: dunno how to do it .. |
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| 20:52.54 | giacus | Acidz0r: I can run it as root |
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| 20:53.19 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: I think you want the package xulrunner. |
| 20:53.25 | ftp3 | zms: http://pastebin.com/613098 <- i am just trying to get codecs to work.. but at this point, i wish i could just make this error go away and leave it the way it is |
| 20:53.26 | Acidz0r | giacus: ls -l the device |
| 20:53.47 | Manny | wow, links really has a great HTML -> ASCII converter |
| 20:53.55 | Manny | s^ASCII^plain text^ |
| 20:53.55 | djs_2_6 | Hey all. I have just finished installing Debian stable, and want to switch to Enlightenment window manager. How would I go about doing this? |
| 20:54.05 | giacus | Acidz0r: lsusb says Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04a9:220e Canon, Inc. CanoScan N1240U/LiDE 30 |
| 20:54.08 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Definitely. |
| 20:54.08 | Manny | JoshTriplett, any ideas why all the built packages are empty? |
| 20:54.14 | Manny | maybe the .install files are hosed? |
| 20:54.22 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Investigating; I was just getting the obvious issues out of the way first. |
| 20:54.25 | aronofsky | hi |
| 20:54.34 | Manny | JoshTriplett, thanks! |
| 20:54.34 | Acidz0r | giacus: dmesg | grep scan |
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| 20:54.38 | gevaerts | ftp3: it looks ok to me now. Did you run apt-get install -f ? |
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| 20:55.02 | gce | checking for db4 major version... configure: error: Header contains different version |
| 20:55.03 | aronofsky | was wondering about kernel compile , si it better to put drivers ( audio , ethernat card ... ) as built-in or as module ? |
| 20:55.05 | giacus | Acidz0r: nothing, return |
| 20:55.09 | greench | zms, just modprobe and error |
| 20:55.21 | azeem | Manny: your install: target in debian/rules is a non-op |
| 20:55.31 | gce | whene install php 5.1 |
| 20:55.34 | ftp3 | zms, yup, same error: http://pastebin.com/613104 |
| 20:55.34 | JoshTriplett | Manny: BTW, you have a debian/.rules.swp file. :) |
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| 20:56.02 | ftp3 | sorry, i mean gevaerts |
| 20:56.02 | JoshTriplett | Manny: What azeem said. You need to actually call dh_install. |
| 20:56.06 | azeem | Manny: in debian/rules (install:), you should run $(MAKE) install with $(curdir)/debian/tmp as $DESTDIR |
| 20:56.25 | zms | ftp3: apt-get remove this package... might help. |
| 20:56.42 | azeem | Manny: then, dh_install will distribute the files from that debian/tmp staging area to the packages as indicated by the respective debian/foo.install files |
| 20:56.59 | Manny | ouch! |
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| 20:57.07 | aronofsky | anyone about my kernel question , |
| 20:57.19 | stew | ftp3: looks like a packaging error with libavc1394, the .la should only be in the -dev package, check the bts /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:57.19 | zms | greench: although unsure but try module-assistant... just might work. |
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| 20:57.31 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: It doesn't matter a lot. My suggestion: if you are always going to have the module loaded, build it in. |
| 20:57.34 | stew | aronofsky: why not just use a debian compiled kernel? |
| 20:57.41 | giacus | Acidz0r: if I run it as root I can choose: the scanner is [plustek:libusb:001:004] |
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| 20:57.49 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: If you might have it loaded sometimes and unloaded sometimes, modularize it. |
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| 20:57.52 | gevaerts | ftp3: it looks as if the libavc1394-0 package doesn't correctly replace libavc1394. Remove that one first |
| 20:57.53 | Acidz0r | giacus: you need to check the group of the scanner in /dev, but i don't know where's your scanner is |
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| 20:58.05 | giacus | Im using udev |
| 20:58.12 | giacus | I dont know too :( |
| 20:58.13 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: So, for example, I build USB stuff modular but my ethernet card and sound card built-in. |
| 20:58.30 | aronofsky | Stew, JoshTriplett tahts what i was thinking |
| 20:58.32 | azeem | Manny: also, if you are building a shared library, you should append the MAJOR library version (probably 0?) |
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| 20:58.47 | bipolar | I've got an old laptop that is giving me "hda: dma timeout retry: status=0x50 { DriveReady SeekComplete }" on bootup. Once it times out a few times, the laptop continues booting normaiy. Takes forever to time out though. I've seen this error mentioned before, but can't remember the fix. |
| 20:58.47 | ftp3 | gevaerts: its removing a lot of stuff :-) hope its ok :-) |
| 20:59.07 | azeem | Manny: eh, to the package name I mean, like libmac0 rather than libmac |
| 20:59.11 | gevaerts | ftp3: depends what exactly |
| 20:59.25 | aronofsky | silly question but is it possible to get VLC from apt on testing ? |
| 20:59.42 | Acidz0r | giacus: when you run as normal user, the error doesn't return you the /dev path? |
| 21:00.01 | JoshTriplett | Manny: By the way, lintian would tell you many of these things. |
| 21:00.04 | stew | aronofsky: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:00.13 | giacus | Acidz0r: if I run it as user it just run with /dev/video0 using tv card, no scanner |
| 21:00.20 | giacus | as root I can choose |
| 21:00.24 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Run "lintian -is mac_3.99-u4-b4.dsc". |
| 21:00.28 | giacus | 2 items |
| 21:00.51 | JoshTriplett | Manny: It tells you about the bad standards-version, the native packaging, the build-depends-indep, and the build-depend on a build-essential package. |
| 21:00.54 | ma3x | checking for gthread-2.0... configure: error: Missing gthread package |
| 21:00.58 | ma3x | how do I install that package? |
| 21:01.06 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: It's in glib. |
| 21:01.12 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: What are you trying to build? |
| 21:01.42 | Manny | JoshTriplett, thanks! |
| 21:01.49 | aronofsky | Stew , why the package arent on official mirrors ? |
| 21:01.59 | ma3x | JoshTriplett, mplayerplug-in (but I have installed mplayer from cvs) |
| 21:02.12 | ma3x | JoshTriplett, which means I HAVE to install mplayerplug-in from source |
| 21:02.26 | stew | aronofsky: it includes patented algorithms |
| 21:02.29 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: You need to install the gtk and glib development packages. |
| 21:02.32 | Acidz0r | giacus: oh, did you check if you can run sane from command line asigning the path to the second device? |
| 21:02.32 | Rouke__ | hiya, anyone recognises this error with a pptp vpn? From windows clietn to linux server? mppe_compress[0]: osize too small! (have: 1400 need: 1404) |
| 21:02.51 | aronofsky | stew, ok so it will never come back on it |
| 21:03.15 | giacus | Acidz0r: no, I didnt tried that, I dont know the device position in /dev or /proc |
| 21:03.21 | JoshTriplett | stew: Uh, vlc is available. |
| 21:03.42 | JoshTriplett | Rouke__: Try decreasing your mtu? |
| 21:03.43 | Acidz0r | giacus: even when you get to choose the device runing as root? |
| 21:04.22 | giacus | as root It give me 2 items, tv card device, or usb scanner |
| 21:04.42 | giacus | I tried to run it in console, but get not info about device |
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| 21:04.53 | Coweater | giacus: /proc/bus/usb/00x/00x |
| 21:04.56 | Rouke__ | Josh: well, the mtu and mru on the server on 1455 |
| 21:04.59 | stew | JoshTriplett: woops i was confused |
| 21:05.02 | Coweater | and you can get those numbers from lsusb |
| 21:05.03 | Rouke__ | it needs apparently 1404? |
| 21:05.03 | giacus | that's strange , as root it work :( |
| 21:05.11 | stew | aronofsky: vlc is in main |
| 21:05.18 | hjubal | hi |
| 21:05.30 | aronofsky | stew, not on testing |
| 21:05.36 | giacus | Coweater: looking .. |
| 21:05.45 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: removed from testing due to an RC bug. |
| 21:05.58 | stew | aronofsky: /msg dpkg why is vlc not in testing |
| 21:05.59 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: 2 RC bugs actually. |
| 21:06.32 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, so what can i do ? |
| 21:06.44 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Grab it from unstable. |
| 21:06.51 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Or grab it from the official site. |
| 21:07.00 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Or grab the sources from unstable and rebuild on testing. |
| 21:07.03 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Or wait. |
| 21:07.15 | giacus | Coweater: yes, I've 001 002 003 devices in /proc/bus/usb |
| 21:07.15 | tarzeau | stew, what's up? |
| 21:07.23 | yetistomps | I am having trouble adding users in samba in debian. I tried adding users in the KDE control panel and they disappear! Then I tried as root: smbpaswd -a yetistomps (and then gave myself a password) I tried to login from an xp box and viceversa but not dice. smbclient -L winxpbox is ok AND smbclient -L debianbox is ok too. Any ideas? |
| 21:07.32 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Do you by any chance use GNOME or KDE? |
| 21:07.36 | giacus | I also tried sane-find-scanner, got no luck |
| 21:07.42 | ma3x | JoshTriplett, after I've compiled/installed the mplayerplug-in, can I debfoster all those dev packages? |
| 21:07.43 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, yes kde |
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| 21:08.05 | hyperactivecrond | Alright. |
| 21:08.13 | hyperactivecrond | My ISA sound card wont work. |
| 21:08.14 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: I've heard good things about kaffeine. |
| 21:08.16 | kjdyslex | What is /dev/.static ? |
| 21:08.19 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: (I use GNOME and totem) |
| 21:08.22 | hyperactivecrond | It doesnt show in alsaconf |
| 21:08.27 | JoshTriplett | kjdyslex: Statically-created devices. |
| 21:08.35 | JoshTriplett | kjdyslex: Not managed by udev. |
| 21:08.40 | kjdyslex | oh |
| 21:08.42 | hyperactivecrond | its a laptop.. |
| 21:08.47 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: Sure. |
| 21:08.48 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, cant get it from apt neither |
| 21:08.51 | ma3x | JoshTriplett, thanks a lot, I appreciate it! |
| 21:08.53 | Coweater | giacus: you logged in and out after adding yourself to scanner group? |
| 21:08.54 | hyperactivecrond | any ideas as to how i could get this to work/ |
| 21:08.58 | hyperactivecrond | !isa |
| 21:08.58 | dpkg | i guess isa is (Industry Standard Adapter) The 8- and 16-bit original connectors used in PCs. They run at a bus speed of 8 MHz. You can plug ISA expansion cards into an ISA slot. Modems and sound cards are ISA cards due to their low bandwidth requirements. a piece of shit. |
| 21:09.04 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: You only need the -dev packages when building something. |
| 21:09.08 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: Not when running it. |
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| 21:09.13 | hyperactivecrond | !isasoundcard |
| 21:09.15 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: That's why libraries are split into runtime and -dev packags. |
| 21:09.19 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: *packages |
| 21:09.21 | giacus | Coweater: i'm using Ion3, I just opened a new console, should be enough I think .. |
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| 21:09.27 | ma3x | JoshTriplett, I get this error @ 'make' in mplayerplug-in/ : Source/nsScriptablePeer.h:56: warning: 'class nsClassInfoMixin' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor |
| 21:09.27 | ma3x | make: *** [plugin-ui.o] Error 1 |
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| 21:09.31 | Coweater | giacus: check with groups |
| 21:09.38 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: which debian release and kernel are you running ? |
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| 21:09.51 | giacus | jack (my user) is already in scanner |
| 21:09.52 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: Huh. Sounds like it is using -Werror. |
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| 21:09.55 | giacus | and plugdev |
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| 21:10.06 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: That is probably a bug in the software though. |
| 21:10.06 | ma3x | JoshTriplett, what does that mean? |
| 21:10.07 | hyperactivecrond | gevaerts: 2.6.5-1-486 w/ sarge testing |
| 21:10.15 | Coweater | giacus: also check that the group owner for the device in /proc/bus/usb is scanner, if it isn't udev isn't setting it up right |
| 21:10.16 | azeem | ma3x: is there a real error further above? |
| 21:10.19 | dsr | is there a way to change default python to python 2.4 ? |
| 21:10.24 | azeem | this is just a warning |
| 21:10.26 | hyperactivecrond | yes its testing but its sarge |
| 21:10.27 | curt | what is the package that installs the debian menus in gnome (in the applications main menu)? |
| 21:10.27 | JoshTriplett | dsr: No. |
| 21:10.32 | giacus | Coweater: ok |
| 21:10.38 | wols_ | dsr: symlink it. it's probably a bad idea tho |
| 21:10.43 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, is there actually one good video player i can get from official mirrors ? |
| 21:10.50 | hyperactivecrond | xine? |
| 21:10.51 | wols_ | aronofsky: xine |
| 21:10.51 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Several. I use totem personally. |
| 21:10.53 | wols_ | and vlc |
| 21:10.55 | ma3x | azeem, well I could paste the output on pastebin.com |
| 21:10.57 | wols_ | both are good |
| 21:11.04 | JoshTriplett | wols_: That was the original problem: vlc isn't in testing. |
| 21:11.06 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: is isapnptools installed ? |
| 21:11.06 | Coweater | ls -l /proc/bus/usb/001/004 |
| 21:11.09 | azeem | ma3x: sounds like a good idea |
| 21:11.12 | wols_ | oops. mea culpa |
| 21:11.15 | aronofsky | wols_, xine isnt on official mirrors |
| 21:11.15 | zms | dsr: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2006-02-21 00:04 /usr/bin/python -> python2.3 |
| 21:11.33 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Heh, true. |
| 21:11.36 | hyperactivecrond | yes ge |
| 21:11.40 | hyperactivecrond | yes gevaerts |
| 21:11.44 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: totem is though. |
| 21:11.48 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, totem is a gnome one ... what else |
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| 21:11.57 | hyperactivecrond | *fires up alsaconf* |
| 21:12.01 | wols_ | aronofsky: try "xine-ui" |
| 21:12.05 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: kaffeine. |
| 21:12.07 | giacus | Coweater: it is -rw-rw-r-- 1 root scanner 57 2006-03-20 21:19 /proc/bus/usb/001/004 |
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| 21:12.09 | JoshTriplett | wols_: Not in testing. :) |
| 21:12.11 | ma3x | azeem, JoshTriplett : http://pastebin.com/613151 |
| 21:12.18 | hyperactivecrond | kaffeine == kde totem |
| 21:12.22 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, not on mirrors , just tried it |
| 21:12.22 | wols_ | JoshTriplett: testing sucks donkeybaals :P |
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| 21:12.34 | Coweater | giacus: if running groups is reporting you in the scanner group then all should be fine |
| 21:12.40 | azeem | Source/plugin-ui.cpp:6:21: error: X11/xpm.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:12.42 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: does pnpdump see the sound card ? |
| 21:12.44 | zms | dsr: man update-alternatives |
| 21:12.44 | Coweater | otherwise relogin |
| 21:12.45 | aronofsky | wols_, no , its not |
| 21:12.49 | giacus | Coweater: but.. oh wait |
| 21:12.53 | hyperactivecrond | gevaerts no :\ |
| 21:12.55 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Strange; kaffeine is in testing. |
| 21:13.05 | giacus | ls -l /proc/bus/usb/001/001 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43 2006-03-20 15:19 /proc/bus/usb/001/001 |
| 21:13.12 | azeem | ma3x: you need the xpm dev package |
| 21:13.13 | giacus | only root ? |
| 21:13.13 | stew | tarzeau: 14:41 < Denmark> what nick has gurkan? |
| 21:13.22 | JoshTriplett | ma3x: Might I suggest apt-get build-dep mplayerplug-in? |
| 21:13.23 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, i just did apt-get install kaffeine , its not |
| 21:13.27 | tarzeau | stew: i see, and why was he looking for me? |
| 21:13.29 | dsr | zms: thanks. |
| 21:13.33 | stew | tarzeau: ask him |
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| 21:13.37 | Coweater | giacus: what's 001:001? i thought you're lsusb reported the scanner as 001:004 |
| 21:13.40 | dsr | zms: checking it all right now |
| 21:13.42 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: that means either it is not a pnp card or it is disabled in the BIOS |
| 21:13.48 | giacus | Coweater: yeah |
| 21:13.54 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: did you check the bios settings ? |
| 21:13.55 | hyperactivecrond | gevaerts apparently its not pnp.. |
| 21:14.03 | ma3x | JoshTriplett, thanks |
| 21:14.05 | hyperactivecrond | gevaerts were would one find this setting? |
| 21:14.06 | ma3x | azeem, thanks! |
| 21:14.08 | hyperactivecrond | in the bios |
| 21:14.15 | dsr | zms: python is not configured via the alternatives mechanism |
| 21:14.17 | giacus | Coweater: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04a9:220e Canon, Inc. CanoScan N1240U/LiDE 30 |
| 21:14.21 | JoshTriplett | dsr: Correct. |
| 21:14.33 | JoshTriplett | dsr: For the same reason that python2.4 is not the default yet. |
| 21:14.34 | hyperactivecrond | iirc its a Cirrius Logic cs4xx |
| 21:14.38 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: depends. probably in "peripherals" or "integrated devices" or something like that |
| 21:14.41 | JoshTriplett | dsr: Migration would generate lots of breakage at the moment. |
| 21:14.48 | JoshTriplett | dsr: You don't want /usr/bin/python to be python2.4. |
| 21:14.48 | znx | :O |
| 21:14.50 | hyperactivecrond | dont be beating |
| 21:14.59 | JoshTriplett | dsr: (Yet) |
| 21:15.01 | znx | hyperactivecrond: but i love it |
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| 21:15.10 | dsr | JoshTriplett: yes.. it causes bunch of issues with compiling un-packaged code |
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| 21:15.12 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, so there is anything finally ... |
| 21:15.15 | JoshTriplett | dsr: Try #!/usr/bin/env python2.4 |
| 21:15.22 | c0rrupt` | link to repositories? |
| 21:15.24 | zms | dsr: in that case link seems to be the option .. or if it's for a specific script. may be #! and patch to python2.4? |
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| 21:15.33 | greench | zms nothing happens with module-assistant |
| 21:15.34 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Looking. |
| 21:15.34 | dsr | JoshTriplett: yes.. the /bin/env trick is what i am using now |
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| 21:15.35 | greench | :( |
| 21:15.59 | c0rrupt` | i need repositories for security tools |
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| 21:16.18 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: At this point, I think you probably want to just fetch kaffeine or xine from unstable. |
| 21:16.31 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: I don't think the libraries have diverged enough for it to be a problem. |
| 21:16.32 | dubbaluga | hi! has anybody of you successfully compiled linux-2.6.16 with make-kpkg? i got this error: http://pastebin.com/613160 |
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| 21:17.32 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, maybe better to get libs from testing and compile from source isnt it ? |
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| 21:17.55 | pollywog | I can't get sound in vmware, could it be that it needs /dev/dsp ? |
| 21:18.06 | Stereo | dubbaluga: it is an obvious lie, and you shouldn't tolerate it |
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| 21:18.13 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Sure; just put an unstable deb-src line in your sources.list and apt-get -b source packagename. |
| 21:18.16 | pollywog | I do not have /dev/dsp I am using ALSA and sound works otherwise |
| 21:18.19 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 21:18.22 | curt | eureka menu-xdg |
| 21:18.25 | zms | greench: may be you can try the installer from NVidia itself. |
| 21:18.27 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: It may work; it may fail to build if libs aren't available. |
| 21:18.28 | stew | pollywog: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 21:18.31 | Mardus | What's the path to netcard modules in woody? |
| 21:18.44 | Manny | ok, it worked, thanks JoshTriplett and azeem :) |
| 21:18.47 | Mardus | Oh, I could find this out myself... |
| 21:18.49 | dubbaluga | Stereo: hehe :) okay, and what does that mean? i could not find anything useful on the net |
| 21:18.50 | pollywog | Stew: thanks I will see if it is loaded |
| 21:18.54 | azeem | Manny: cheers |
| 21:19.01 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, never used that , it builds automatically ? |
| 21:19.06 | greench | dules in woody? |
| 21:19.06 | greench | <Manny> ok, it worked, thanks JoshTriplett and azeem :) |
| 21:19.06 | greench | <Mardus> Oh, I could find this out myself... |
| 21:19.06 | greench | <dubbaluga> Stereo: hehe :) okay, and what does that mean? i could not find anything useful on the net |
| 21:19.06 | greench | <pollywog> Stew: thanks I will see if it i |
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| 21:19.16 | Stereo | dubbaluga: nothing in particular. But try without --append-to-version -rp-pumba --revision 4 |
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| 21:19.21 | greench | sorry |
| 21:19.23 | quittt | what is the fucking problem with rhythmbox? |
| 21:19.25 | quittt | with albums? |
| 21:19.30 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Yes. "apt-get -b source" fetches the source, installs the build dependencies, builds the source, and gives you a .deb |
| 21:19.37 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Then just dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 21:19.43 | ryan` | anyone know what to do about "ide0: Speed warnings UDMA 3/4/5 is not functional." |
| 21:19.46 | azeem | quittt: in sarge? |
| 21:19.48 | wols_ | basically id does everything except making cofffeee |
| 21:19.57 | dubbaluga | Stereo: i did that already (a friend of me suggested that too) but the same error again ... |
| 21:20.17 | pollywog | stew: thanks that was it :) |
| 21:20.47 | menko | hey thanks guys I've got a working debian sid desktop now, gonna play around with it some more this afternoon |
| 21:20.52 | quittt | yeah |
| 21:20.53 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, and what about uninstall after ? |
| 21:20.55 | chealer9 | JoshTriplett: apt-get -b source does not install build-deps |
| 21:20.55 | JoshTriplett | dubbaluga: What version of kernel-package? |
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| 21:21.10 | quittt | some albums losts their two letters in some albums |
| 21:21.10 | JoshTriplett | chealer9: I stand corrected. |
| 21:21.13 | quittt | that doesnt make sense |
| 21:21.14 | JoshTriplett | chealer9: Thanks. |
| 21:21.25 | giacus | Coweater: after I reboot it work O_O |
| 21:21.25 | quittt | and XMMS is old |
| 21:21.30 | c0rrupt` | does anyone know of a good list of repos? |
| 21:21.41 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Just remove like any other package; you can use apt-get remove or aptitude remove. |
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| 21:22.08 | quittt | I have lots of music so I need organization |
| 21:22.12 | chealer9 | aronofsky: if you really want to compile from source, see the APT HOWTO. if you don't want useless trouble, just use gxine |
| 21:22.14 | quittt | but rhythmbox doesnt help =/ |
| 21:22.19 | JoshTriplett | c0rrupt`: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list :) |
| 21:22.22 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, will il remove dependencies ? |
| 21:22.25 | Stereo | dubbaluga: then you should file a bug, I'm afraid |
| 21:22.25 | dubbaluga | JoshTriplett: what do you mean exactly? i'm using a plain vanilla-2.6.16 and make-kpkg is revision 1.94 |
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| 21:22.33 | strider | c0rrupt`: use apt-setup |
| 21:22.36 | giacus | Coweater: it probably was ion3 wm opening the terminal |
| 21:22.40 | paulswm | aronofsky: aptitude will if they are unused |
| 21:22.45 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: aptitude will if you used it to install the dependencies in the first place. |
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| 21:22.46 | c0rrupt` | strider, ty |
| 21:22.47 | hyperactivecrond | in the bios it said that there was a Crystal 4237B card |
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| 21:22.57 | hyperactivecrond | but nothing about it being disabled |
| 21:23.36 | hyperactivecrond | maybe try the 2.4.x kernel? |
| 21:23.47 | paulswm | aronofsky: JoshTriplett is correct, you can always use deborphan to clean up, though, if you didn't use aptitude to install |
| 21:23.51 | giacus | thanks guys |
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| 21:24.14 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, so what i replace apt-get -b source by aptitude -b source ? |
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| 21:24.41 | JoshTriplett | dubbaluga: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=355147 |
| 21:24.55 | Tchiak | how can i determine what blocks size is in mb? |
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| 21:25.03 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: try modprobe snd-cs4231 or snd-cs4232 or snd-cs4236 |
| 21:25.24 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: In what context? |
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| 21:26.00 | ResPiDeR | is there a way to see how long is this linux installed? |
| 21:26.06 | Tchiak | i'm trying to read the harddrive info from /proc/partitions and it has info in # of blocks |
| 21:26.12 | Tchiak | i need to convert that to MB |
| 21:26.41 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, doesn't seem to be possible |
| 21:26.56 | dubbaluga | JoshTriplett: thank you very much!! |
| 21:26.58 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: What doesn't? |
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| 21:27.41 | hyperactivecrond | eergh... |
| 21:27.50 | Tchiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.52 | hyperactivecrond | C |
| 21:27.56 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, aptitude -b source |
| 21:27.57 | Tchiak | blocks being the 3rd field |
| 21:28.01 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Doesn't exist. |
| 21:28.02 | hyperactivecrond | still nothing |
| 21:28.08 | Manny | isn't an -all package considered archi-indep? |
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| 21:28.23 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrondtry modprobe snd-cs4231 or snd-cs4232 or snd-cs4236 |
| 21:28.34 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: at leats in 2.6 |
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| 21:28.41 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, so waht should I do to use aptitude so i be enable to uninstall deps ? |
| 21:28.58 | azeem | Manny: _all.deb, yes |
| 21:29.21 | azeem | Manny: does libmac-dev not have the static library? |
| 21:29.24 | hyperactivecrond | alright g2 reboot then |
| 21:29.31 | miweit00 | hi, is there an easy way to fix the dsdt-tables with debian? |
| 21:29.46 | Manny | azeem, ah, I nevr noted that -dev packages have that |
| 21:29.55 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: "apt-get build-dep something", then "aptitude markauto [paste the list of packages installed by apt-get build-dep]". |
| 21:30.10 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Hmmm, wait; that'll uninstall them immediately. |
| 21:30.12 | JoshTriplett | Hmm. |
| 21:30.14 | ResPiDeR | is there a way to see how long is this linux installed? |
| 21:30.17 | azeem | Manny: yeah, they should have the .a, .la, .pc and a symlink so -> so.0.0.0 |
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| 21:30.38 | azeem | where so.0.0.0 is provided by the regular lib (which it Depends: upon) |
| 21:30.49 | Manny | azeem, should I specify this as a glob in the .install file for -dev? |
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| 21:30.55 | azeem | Manny: yes |
| 21:31.20 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: Seems to be in 1024-byte blocks. |
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| 21:31.35 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: I think. |
| 21:31.39 | beered | I can print with CUPS and lp but not with lpr. I though these lp and lpr are the same thing. Any suggestions how to fix lpr? |
| 21:31.45 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, tricky one ... lol |
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| 21:32.14 | Tchiak | thanks josh |
| 21:32.15 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: I can't think of anything; aptitude's automatic removal is designed for removing dependencies when you remove the package that depends on them; it doesn't handle build-depends. |
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| 21:32.29 | JoshTriplett | aronofsky: Sorry. |
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| 21:32.44 | Tchiak | umm one more thing.. how do i read 1 line from a file? |
| 21:32.55 | beered | Tchiak: head |
| 21:32.55 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: The first line? head -n 1 file |
| 21:32.57 | aronofsky | JoshTriplett, dont be , thx for your help man |
| 21:32.57 | Tchiak | i need to recursivly read 1 line per file until EOF |
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| 21:33.03 | Tchiak | using shell |
| 21:33.04 | chealer9 | aronofsky: sorry to interrupt again, but do you have a good reason to want to compile that? |
| 21:33.04 | Tchiak | script |
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| 21:33.15 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: Oh. while read line ; do foo ; done < file |
| 21:33.20 | hyperactivecrond | eeh... none of htese worked |
| 21:33.23 | aronofsky | chealer9, what would you do ? |
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| 21:33.28 | hyperactivecrond | they all failed with 'no device; |
| 21:33.31 | chealer9 | aronofsky: just use gxine? |
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| 21:33.53 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: What exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 21:34.24 | hyperactivecrond | no device present |
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| 21:34.56 | aronofsky | chealer9, tahts the only one i can get from official testing mirrors ? |
| 21:35.08 | Tchiak | josh: i'm trying to write a script that will spit out total space, total free space, total used space |
| 21:35.11 | Tchiak | and spit it out with echo |
| 21:35.18 | chealer9 | aronofsky: you can get totem too, but as you noted, that one requires GNOME |
| 21:35.27 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: did the bios say anything about irq and io ports for the card ? |
| 21:35.47 | aronofsky | chealer9, is gxine as good as vlc or mplayer ? |
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| 21:35.57 | hyperactivecrond | gevaerts no |
| 21:36.02 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: df |
| 21:36.08 | hyperactivecrond | no i didnt reboot either |
| 21:36.10 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: Such a script already exists. |
| 21:36.15 | Tchiak | df shows it on a per partition basis josh |
| 21:36.17 | paulswm | Tchiak: "sfdisk -luM /dev/hda will give the partition sizes in vlocks and megabytes, so you can compare - the block size in /proc/partitions and in the sfdisk listings are the hard drive block size (probably 1024 bytes) and *not* the filesystem block size - to find the filesystem block size on an ext2/3 fs, for example, "tune2fs -l /dev/hda1" |
| 21:36.26 | paulswm | s/vlocks/blocks/ |
| 21:36.29 | chealer9 | aronofsky: gxine is a xinelib frontend, and I'm not going to compare xinelib with vlc or mplayer |
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| 21:36.39 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: Ah, I see. You want to know how much unpartitioned space there is? |
| 21:36.40 | Tchiak | i want some that doesn't show everything just the total size, free space, used space overall.. not just for each partition |
| 21:36.43 | hyperactivecrond | maybe my sound card's just wonky |
| 21:36.56 | hyperactivecrond | i may be forced to bite the bullet and use win2k... |
| 21:36.57 | aronofsky | chealer9, why's that ? |
| 21:37.04 | Tchiak | like if i have 1.4gb on hda1 and 1.4 gb on hda2 this would show 2.8gb total space |
| 21:37.06 | hyperactivecrond | it works w/ win2k but |
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| 21:37.10 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: Ah. |
| 21:37.11 | Tchiak | rather than listing each partition and how much space is on it |
| 21:37.14 | hyperactivecrond | id rather run linux |
| 21:37.42 | Tchiak | and i need to do it all in a shell script environment :p |
| 21:37.46 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: from what I see in the kernel source, snd_cs4236 is the one you need. Maybe you can try to find out the correct io and irq parameters from windows and then try again in linux ? |
| 21:37.58 | chealer9 | aronofsky: because I don't know enough about them, except that mplayer isn't in Debian and vlc is heavyweight |
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| 21:38.08 | Tchiak | i'm creating one of those really annoying "look at me" comp info scripts for a friend... :\ |
| 21:38.29 | hyperactivecrond | slackware + vector detected it w/ the cs4236 driver but it complained about a wrong irq... :\ |
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| 21:38.41 | Tchiak | only thing left is to do the overall harddrive space |
| 21:38.54 | paulswm | Tchiak: If you want to see the free space in a filesystem, use 'df', if you want to see the unpartitioned space on a disk, use fdisk or sfdisk |
| 21:38.55 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: is windows installed on the machine ? |
| 21:39.00 | aronofsky | chealer9, and what about codec and format supported ? does gxine read all kinf of files ? |
| 21:39.02 | hyperactivecrond | gevaerts not anymore |
| 21:39.13 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: "df -m | tail +2", and just sum up? |
| 21:39.22 | hyperactivecrond | and i dont have a knoppix cd handy to see if Knoppix will detect it :\\ |
| 21:39.24 | resiak | Tchiak: df | tail -n+2 | awk '{print $2}' | xargs perl -le '$i = 0; $i += $_ for @ARGV; print $i' |
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| 21:39.38 | JoshTriplett | resiak: No need to use both awk and perl. :) |
| 21:39.52 | hyperactivecrond | btw this is a dell latitude cp laptop |
| 21:39.55 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: what model is the machine ? Maybe you can find a dos-based config tool floppy |
| 21:39.58 | chealer9 | aronofsky: of course not. I don't know of any comprehensive comparison between xinelib and vlc, so I would just advise you to try them (or read their package descriptions) |
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| 21:40.36 | resiak | JoshTriplett: yeah, i was going to use bc for the last bit then realised that I didn't know how, and couldn't be arsed to fold the awk bit into the perl bit |
| 21:40.47 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: df -m | tail -n +2 | awk '{total+=$2;used+=$3;free+=$4;} END {print total, used, free}' |
| 21:41.08 | hyperactivecrond | gevaerts: dell latitude cp |
| 21:41.11 | hyperactivecrond | but oh well... |
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| 21:41.18 | hyperactivecrond | time to bite the bullet... |
| 21:41.34 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: If you really want to avoid using awk, you could do the same thing with shell arithmetic and a loop. |
| 21:41.37 | resiak | df | tail -n+2 | perl -lne '$i += (split)[1]; END { print $i }' |
| 21:41.56 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: I wouldn't do it... |
| 21:42.08 | JoshTriplett | resiak: He wanted megabytes; df -m. |
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| 21:42.15 | hyperactivecrond | ...There wouldnt be something i can run from recovery console that would tell me my devices, would there? |
| 21:42.25 | hyperactivecrond | !laptop |
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| 21:43.06 | yggdrasil | i just installed etch and vlc is not a package ??... how can i dl it without having to compile it.. |
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| 21:43.47 | JoshTriplett | resiak: For that matter, you don't need tail :): df -m | awk 'NR>1 {total+=$2;used+=$3;free+=$4;} END {print total, used, free}' |
| 21:43.56 | aronofsky | chealer9, ok thx , you seem to know the subject , so if i should install another video player , what advice would you give me ? vlc ? mplayer ? other ? |
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| 21:44.09 | hyperactivecrond | ...hello... i found something about my laptop on sarge.... |
| 21:44.13 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: have a look at http://eulex.0nyx.com/cs4237b.html |
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| 21:44.52 | chealer9 | aronofsky: a xine-based one, so gxine if you use testing, but nothing keeps you from installing vlc from unstable too |
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| 21:45.07 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: More relevantly, I should point out that there are a number of such scripts which already exist. |
| 21:45.10 | yggdrasil | chealer9 i meant sid |
| 21:45.38 | chealer9 | yggdrasil: vlc is not in etch. you may get it from sid |
| 21:45.48 | chealer9 | yggdrasil: you installed sid? |
| 21:45.52 | yggdrasil | do i have to adda source or somthing |
| 21:45.52 | yggdrasil | yes |
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| 21:46.27 | yggdrasil | shti actualy i dont know... |
| 21:46.28 | Tchiak | josh: how would i learn if i use other people scripts |
| 21:46.30 | Tchiak | learn by doing :P |
| 21:46.43 | hyperactivecrond | hmm we will see... |
| 21:46.45 | chealer9 | yggdrasil: sid is not a good default release to use unless you know Debian very well. my best advice is to reinstall testing or something else before doing anything else |
| 21:47.06 | hyperactivecrond | setpnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available |
| 21:47.09 | yggdrasil | actualy hang on chealer maybe it was etch |
| 21:47.13 | yggdrasil | how can i tell ? |
| 21:47.25 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: Fair enough. |
| 21:47.30 | nonix4 | If I want to install debian on a 2G usb stick, which approach should I choose? |
| 21:47.32 | chealer9 | yggdrasil: however, if you don't know what you installed, if you had really installed sid, vlc should be available, so you probably installed etch |
| 21:47.37 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: Does the awk approach work for you? |
| 21:47.37 | pucko- | Anyone know if there is a program that will let me set id tags on wma audio files? |
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| 21:47.53 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: The debian installer may be able to do that for you. |
| 21:47.56 | chealer9 | !tell yggdrasil about which version of debian |
| 21:47.59 | Manny | azeem, dpkg-buildpackage bails: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libmac.so.2 |
| 21:47.59 | Manny | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for (libmac.so.2) |
| 21:48.00 | Manny | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libmac (soname 2, path , dependency field Depends) |
| 21:48.00 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: I believe it understands usb sticks. |
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| 21:48.04 | Manny | ugh sorry for the spam |
| 21:48.15 | aronofsky | chealer9, and what is the difference between gxine and xine ? |
| 21:48.21 | c0rrupt` | stable/secure ftp server any suggestions/>??? |
| 21:48.26 | stew | pucko-: no linux tools exist. you have to write code against the WMP sdk to do that |
| 21:48.27 | JoshTriplett | c0rrupt`: vsftpd |
| 21:48.29 | hyperactivecrond | *idea* pnpbios may not be on brb |
| 21:48.34 | azeem | Manny: hrm |
| 21:48.48 | stew | pucko-: i had to do this recently, and did some searching, there is definately no way in linux |
| 21:48.51 | nonix4 | JoshTriplett: sure... but 2GB is relatively small. |
| 21:48.55 | Manny | azeem, I use DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libmac = -V DEB_SHLIBDEPS_INCLUDE = debian/tmp/usr/lib |
| 21:49.02 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: Should be more than enough for a Debian installation. |
| 21:49.03 | c0rrupt` | does anyone second that notion of vsftpd |
| 21:49.08 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: Depends on what you install. |
| 21:49.18 | JoshTriplett | c0rrupt`: I'm basing that recommendation on the fact that kernel.org uses it. |
| 21:49.28 | pucko- | stew, ah, great. At least I know then. Thanks. |
| 21:49.31 | azeem | Manny: does it make a shlib file in debian/libmac2/DEBIAN? |
| 21:49.38 | azeem | or debian/libmac |
| 21:49.46 | chealer9 | aronofsky: just "xine" refers to xine-lib, which is a library, while gxine is a frontend to xine-lib |
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| 21:50.00 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: 2Gb is huge as far as package sizes go. |
| 21:50.05 | nonix4 | JoshTriplett: Well to conserve space creating a compressed loop fs on the memory stick would make things _much_ more pleasant |
| 21:50.08 | Manny | azeem, no |
| 21:50.24 | aronofsky | chealer9, ok i see , thx again man , you're really helpfull |
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| 21:50.30 | Manny | azeem, the install file contains "debian/tmp/usr/lib/*.so.*" |
| 21:50.40 | azeem | Manny: that's fine |
| 21:50.47 | nonix4 | JoshTriplett: I know, but I'm aiming a rather complete installation (... excluding most of the gnome/kde nonsense though) |
| 21:50.50 | chealer9 | aronofsky: it's a pleasure |
| 21:50.55 | azeem | Manny: however, you need also the Debian-package-database internal information for the shared library |
| 21:51.00 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: One moment. |
| 21:51.04 | Manny | azeem, pardon? |
| 21:51.10 | Tchiak | it will work |
| 21:51.16 | Tchiak | just need some modificationst o get it right :P |
| 21:51.18 | azeem | Manny: where did you get this DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libmac from? |
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| 21:51.24 | azeem | it might be CDBS specific |
| 21:51.25 | Tchiak | formated the way i need it |
| 21:51.42 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Call dh_makeshlibs. :) |
| 21:51.48 | Manny | azeem, I randomly put it in, because the warning showed up without it and I get it of it like that |
| 21:51.55 | yggdrasil | chealer9 i did etch because of my video driver.... |
| 21:51.56 | azeem | heh |
| 21:52.03 | JoshTriplett | Tchiak: Of course; I didn't insert formatting, just the information you wanted. |
| 21:52.10 | azeem | Manny: your binary-arch is not fit for multiple packages it seems |
| 21:52.15 | azeem | in debian/rules I mean |
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| 21:52.35 | aronofsky | chealer9, silly question , but i test it a little and evry time I open gxine it open a setup wizar window ... how can i get rid of taht ? |
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| 21:52.47 | chealer9 | yggdrasil: OK. so, it's normal that vlc is not available unless you already setup an etch/sid mix |
| 21:52.48 | azeem | Manny: try to add dh_makeshlibs -V to it |
| 21:53.10 | yggdrasil | yea ok |
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| 21:53.13 | yggdrasil | ill deal with it |
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| 21:53.29 | yggdrasil | ill just compile it it will be btter that way anywya |
| 21:53.49 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: Well, you have two main options. One is to use the debian installer, which will set things up nicely for you. The other is to manually use debootstrap. |
| 21:54.01 | Manny | azeem, I now removed dh_shlibdeps and added dh_makeshlibs -V and now it doesn't bail |
| 21:54.10 | JoshTriplett | Manny: Don't remove dh_shlibdeps. |
| 21:54.12 | azeem | Manny: you need dh_shlibdeps as well |
| 21:54.19 | JoshTriplett | Manny: That's what gives you the shlibs:Depends |
| 21:54.34 | azeem | Manny: did you get a shlibs fileß |
| 21:54.35 | azeem | ? |
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| 21:54.44 | hyperactivecrond | !laptop |
| 21:54.44 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 21:55.00 | JoshTriplett | Manny: BTW, you need some commas in debian/control in your Depends lines, I think. |
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| 21:55.26 | Manny | JoshTriplett, that may fix it :) |
| 21:55.36 | nonix4 | JoshTriplett: fwiw I haven't installed debian from scratch since bo :-) |
| 21:55.39 | chealer9 | aronofsky: that bug is fixed for the next version, but Darren Salt indicated a workaround at #355906 |
| 21:55.53 | nonix4 | JoshTriplett: been upgrading ever since... |
| 21:55.59 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: It isn't particularly hard nowadays. :) |
| 21:56.05 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: debian-installer has vastly improved. |
| 21:56.17 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: You should try it. |
| 21:56.24 | azeem | Manny: did you upload an updated source package to your site? |
| 21:56.29 | hyperactivecrond | how to go back in w3m? |
| 21:56.30 | Manny | azeem, no |
| 21:56.34 | azeem | would be easier to poke at |
| 21:56.54 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: As for space, however; I would suggest that 2Gb would probably be quite spacious as long as you don't install GNOME or KDE. |
| 21:56.56 | nonix4 | How many years ago bo was new? Five? Eight? |
| 21:57.01 | aronofsky | chealer9, a workaround at #355906 ... sorry but what does it mean ? |
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| 21:57.14 | chealer9 | !tell aronofsky about dbug 355906 |
| 21:57.33 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-detailed.en.html |
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| 21:57.39 | JoshTriplett | nonix4: July 1997. |
| 21:57.55 | hyperactivecrond | no /proc/bus/pnp available... |
| 21:57.58 | nonix4 | Eek, I'm old :-) |
| 21:58.03 | sambrista | hello, i have a problem with alsa. I installed a new kernel (from 2.4.27 to 2.6.15) and now i have no sound. Alsaconf recognises my soundcard, loads it but then it doesn't sound. With the older kernel, i changed the volume but the sound was the same (i could change the volume by using a wheel that my laptop has in the side). Now i heard how the volume raises when i raise it in the mixer, but it doesn't sound :( |
| 21:58.09 | chealer9 | aronofsky: sorry, that didn't work. see Debian bug #355906 |
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| 21:58.40 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: is PNP enabled in the kernel (try grepping in /boot/config-*) |
| 21:58.50 | hyperactivecrond | sambrista cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 21:59.17 | hyperactivecrond | gevaerts no! |
| 21:59.19 | Manny | I've got to go, thanks for your help!!! :) |
| 22:00.07 | hyperactivecrond | maybe i can make a module by hand? |
| 22:00.14 | hyperactivecrond | compile* |
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| 22:00.23 | sambrista | hyperactivecrond: writing error, input/output error |
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| 22:00.53 | hyperactivecrond | sambrista then we have a problem... |
| 22:01.00 | zebalin4 | hi folks. anyone installed the new free Oracle Express to Etch and get it to work? |
| 22:01.04 | gevaerts | hyperactivecrond: it is enabled in the sarge 2.6.8 kernels. Maybe you should upgrade to the released sarge kerlen ? |
| 22:01.05 | aronofsky | chealer9, try to look for it ... |
| 22:01.22 | hyperactivecrond | that would work well. |
| 22:01.24 | sambrista | hyperactivecrond: any ideas? |
| 22:01.29 | chealer9 | !tell aronofsky about bts |
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| 22:01.37 | hyperactivecrond | sambrista try it as root? |
| 22:01.42 | sambrista | i did |
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| 22:01.57 | hyperactivecrond | so he has to switch computers so bye all |
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| 22:03.03 | Rouke__ | hmm, strange, I have pptp problems on one server, running debian testing 2.4.27-2-386 kernel, other one is 2.4.18 kernel, both with mppe, the 4.27 has problems with the mru mtu, the .18 doesn't, same config |
| 22:03.13 | Rouke__ | anybody idea, except recompile? |
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| 22:04.21 | sambrista | hello, i have a problem with alsa. I installed a new kernel (from 2.4.27 to 2.6.15) and now i have no sound. Alsaconf recognises my soundcard, loads it but then it doesn't sound. With the older kernel, i changed the volume but the sound was the same (i could change the volume by using a wheel that my laptop has in the side). Now i heard how the volume raises when i raise it in the mixer, but it doesn't sound :( |
| 22:05.20 | sambrista | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp doesn't work (i don't know exactly what does it mean, but maybe it can be useful) |
| 22:05.29 | yggdrasil | what do i need to isntall for alsa ... |
| 22:05.37 | nicolas__ | !microcode-ctl |
| 22:05.48 | aronofsky | chealer9, ok i find it , and what bout kaffeine btw , its a kibxine frontend too ? |
| 22:05.54 | gevaerts | sambrista: that should just play noise. It's a useful quick check to see if sound works |
| 22:06.01 | nicolas__ | does anyone knows whats the use of an ia32 microcode update ? |
| 22:06.12 | chealer9 | aronofsky: kaffeine is a frontend to both xine-lib and gstreamer |
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| 22:06.18 | nicolas__ | if we cant get the changelog, how to we know we need it ? |
| 22:06.39 | sambrista | gevaers: now i see. |
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| 22:07.02 | jsmidt_ | utah |
| 22:07.30 | sambrista | any ideas??? |
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| 22:08.02 | hyperactivecrond | *downloading iso |
| 22:08.26 | hyperactivecrond | Kyral is a ubuntite |
| 22:08.42 | aronofsky | chealer9, and what do you think of it , good and bad points on comparison with gxine ? |
| 22:08.43 | hyperactivecrond | anyway |
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| 22:09.05 | gevaerts | sambrista: what kind of card is it ? |
| 22:09.23 | sambrista | it is a laptop |
| 22:09.26 | sambrista | the card is |
| 22:09.57 | yggdrasil | ive got no sound with a intel coproration 82801ca/cam ac'97 audio controller (rec 02) |
| 22:10.01 | yggdrasil | ive got no sound with a intel coproration 82801ca/cam ac'97 audio controller (rev 02) |
| 22:10.23 | chealer9 | aronofsky: unless you have reasons to not have GTK, gxine is currently better or at least equal to kaffeine ATM even for KDE users. kaffeine at least as currently in Debian is buggy and not well maintained |
| 22:10.34 | pipeline | totem is vastly better than gxine anyway |
| 22:10.40 | sambrista | cs4236 (at least, this was the driver i used with the 2.4.27 kernel, and worked) |
| 22:11.03 | gevaerts | sambrista: is it by any chance a dell latitude cp ? |
| 22:11.17 | sambrista | nope, it is an IBM thinkpad 560X |
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| 22:11.48 | sambrista | gevaerts: a bit old (233Mhz) but still useful |
| 22:11.57 | caffei | http://msgs.securepoint.com/cgi-bin/get/bugtraq0603/309.html |
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| 22:12.05 | aronofsky | chealer9, ok so for you gxine is really the best choice for a video player now ... |
| 22:12.35 | yggdrasil | gxine huh |
| 22:12.38 | yggdrasil | hmm... |
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| 22:12.46 | nicolas__ | why is there no information available about the microcode-ctl utility |
| 22:12.48 | nicolas__ | ? |
| 22:12.58 | jeward | xoz_: Still here perchance? |
| 22:13.01 | hyperactivecrond | btw anyone who purchases "Linux Bible 2005" will be in here bitching about e2fstools problems |
| 22:13.02 | chealer9 | aronofsky: as a xine-lib frontend for KDE users (who don't have GNOME installed), certainly. vlc might be superior in some areas |
| 22:13.18 | hyperactivecrond | and they'll be sarge but testing |
| 22:13.26 | chealer9 | aronofsky: that applied to testing, not necessarily testing |
| 22:13.27 | hyperactivecrond | if they try to install from the deb cd that came from it |
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| 22:13.43 | aronofsky | chealer9, like what areas ? |
| 22:13.43 | chealer9 | aronofsky: s/necessarily testing/necessarily stable |
| 22:13.49 | caffei | chealer9, uh, no. kaffeine beats gxine any day of the week. :) |
| 22:13.54 | chealer9 | aronofsky: like codec support |
| 22:14.07 | gevaerts | sambrista: have a look at http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/CS4237 |
| 22:14.09 | chealer9 | caffei: well, there's a reason it's not in testing |
| 22:14.18 | caffei | chealer9, why not? |
| 22:14.20 | aronofsky | chealer9, ok thx , will try both and i'll see |
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| 22:14.36 | jeward | My system won't boot with bad ATA interrupt on kernel 2.6. |
| 22:14.36 | tsukihime | i just updated from kernel 2.6.8 to kernel 2.6.12, and every time i try to start the audio it says i dont got permissions to init sound, and i am already in audio users, what can i do?? |
| 22:15.29 | yggdrasil | can somone explain to me the steps to get my sound card up and running i did apt-get install alsa but still get nothing.. |
| 22:15.45 | chealer9 | caffei: because it's too broken. I opened an RC bug against kaffeine-gstreamer more than two monthes ago which got no feedback and still keeps kaffeine from transitionning to testing |
| 22:15.57 | sambrista | yggdrasil: which kernel do you have? |
| 22:16.03 | yggdrasil | not sure |
| 22:16.09 | caffei | chealer9, kaffeine-xine works fine though |
| 22:16.18 | aronofsky | chealer9, and to install vlc by the way , what is the best way , pinning and get it from unstable , compile it from source ? |
| 22:16.18 | chealer9 | caffei: not so fine neither |
| 22:16.23 | yggdrasil | 2.6.15 |
| 22:16.29 | chealer9 | aronofsky: get it from unstable |
| 22:16.30 | yggdrasil | 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 22:16.33 | chealer9 | !tell aronofsky about esm |
| 22:16.37 | caffei | chealer9, er, it's working fine here and has been for a while... tbh though, I'm using the ubuntu package ;o |
| 22:16.53 | sambrista | yggdrasil: have you tried using "alsaconf"? |
| 22:16.57 | yggdrasil | no |
| 22:17.03 | chealer9 | caffei: that may well make a difference |
| 22:17.10 | yggdrasil | sambrista that looks good |
| 22:17.11 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 22:17.12 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 22:17.46 | chealer9 | Debconf decides if the question is actually displayed, based on its priority, and whether the user has seen it before, and which frontend |
| 22:17.47 | chealer9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.49 | aronofsky | chealer9, apt-get -t unstable install foo rather than apt-get install foo/testing ? |
| 22:17.51 | chealer9 | hum, sorry |
| 22:17.54 | sambrista | yggdrasil: it works? |
| 22:17.56 | jeward | With kernel 2.6.8 I get: ata1: command 0x25 timeout, stat 0x50 host_stat 0x24 |
| 22:18.00 | yggdrasil | i think so |
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| 22:18.03 | yggdrasil | it found the card |
| 22:18.13 | yggdrasil | sambrista ill let you know in a sec |
| 22:18.39 | chealer9 | about the quote above, how does the fact that the users has seen the question before or the frontend being used affect whether a user is prompted or not? |
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| 22:18.49 | aronofsky | apt-get -t unstable install foo rather than apt-get install foo/unstable ? ( sorry ) |
| 22:18.51 | tsukihime | i cannot init sound, it says i dont got permissions =/ |
| 22:19.31 | chealer9 | aronofsky: yes, I don't think the latter is supported |
| 22:20.03 | jeward | With kernel 2.6.8 I get: ata1: command 0x25 timeout, stat 0x50 host_stat 0x24. I installed 2.6 to fix sound, but now it won't boot. |
| 22:20.17 | chealer9 | aronofsky: oh, it's supported too |
| 22:20.26 | yggdrasil | sambrista no go.. im trying to use xmms... |
| 22:20.57 | chealer9 | aronofsky: it depends on which effect you want. the first is more likely to work (immediately) |
| 22:21.21 | aronofsky | chealer9, yeah but its different , in the first case dependencies are take in unstable wheras in second one they are take ( as far as possible ) in testing |
| 22:21.32 | chealer9 | aronofsky: yes |
| 22:22.02 | gevaerts | yggdrasil: is the volume turned up ? |
| 22:22.03 | chealer9 | the quote above is from man debconf-devel |
| 22:22.06 | sambrista | gevaerts: i'm gonna try what the webpage says, see you later |
| 22:22.14 | yggdrasil | i keep getting a no output device error |
| 22:22.18 | aronofsky | i was thinking that itr was maybe better to take the deps in testing since those libs can be used later by other packages taken from testing |
| 22:22.26 | sambrista | yggdrasil: i have problems also with alsa :( |
| 22:22.53 | aronofsky | chealer9, im maybe wrong |
| 22:23.21 | gevaerts | yggdrasil: does dmesg have anything interesting ? |
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| 22:24.04 | yggdrasil | hang on ill tell yuou |
| 22:24.11 | metaphor | hmm, what program is needed to support images with xsetroot again? |
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| 22:25.04 | metaphor | is it freetype? |
| 22:25.22 | aronofsky | chealer9, dont know what you think of it ? |
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| 22:25.56 | yggdrasil | no guys nothing intersting in the dmsg |
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| 22:27.34 | chealer9 | aronofsky: the safest thing to do would be to try apt-get install foo/unstable and try satisfying all dependencies eventually missing from testing by getting them from unstable. |
| 22:27.50 | gevaerts | yggdrasil: does 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' work (i.e. make noise) ? |
| 22:27.59 | chealer9 | aronofsky: s/all/only |
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| 22:29.07 | tsukihime | yggdrasil: whats is yoour problem?? o.O?? |
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| 22:30.09 | yggdrasil | hang on guys |
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| 22:31.00 | tsukihime | gevaerts: what are you helping yggdrasil with?? (O_o) |
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| 22:31.37 | ma3x | when I do ./configure and if I want that stored in configure.txt, I do ./configure > configure.txt |
| 22:31.55 | ma3x | and if I want both: to be displayed on screen and stored in configure.txt, what do I type? |
| 22:32.00 | Tchiak | why even bother with .txt |
| 22:33.20 | stew | ma3x: ./configure | tee configure.txt |
| 22:33.20 | Coweater | configure usually logs itself in config.log |
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| 22:33.22 | ma3x | stew, thank you kindly! |
| 22:33.23 | yggdrasil | ok sorry guys |
| 22:33.25 | yggdrasil | i just installed debian on my dell c400.. and im trying to get the soundcard up ... |
| 22:33.58 | tsukihime | yggdrasil: o.O and you got unstable/sid and using linux image 2.6.12 >=?? |
| 22:34.30 | yggdrasil | tsukihime yes |
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| 22:36.27 | yggdrasil | gevaerts that didnt make any noise.. permission denied |
| 22:36.32 | tsukihime | yggdrasil: well i think it is kinda buggy there... maybe a malconfigured option, i got same problem but i can see that when it is running the sound daemon "ESD" it says permission denied |
| 22:36.51 | yggdrasil | well i just had ubuntu on it and it was kind of working |
| 22:36.53 | tsukihime | yggdrasil: i am having same problem and nobody helps =) |
| 22:36.55 | deeee | unable to start X. |
| 22:36.55 | yggdrasil | but it was acting funny... |
| 22:37.25 | yggdrasil | isee |
| 22:37.42 | tsukihime | yggdrasil: well we can help each other if i find any info about how to fix it, ill tell you, please do the same if you can find an answer |
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| 22:37.55 | yggdrasil | well what kind of card do you have ? |
| 22:37.58 | gevaerts | yggdrasil: are you a member of group audio ? (i.e. what does "id" say ?) |
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| 22:38.16 | yggdrasil | uid =1000 |
| 22:38.22 | yggdrasil | guid =1000 (yggdrasil) |
| 22:38.28 | tsukihime | yggdrasil: i think the same as yours "CS 4281 sound crystal" is a DELL default sound hardware |
| 22:38.37 | yggdrasil | hmm.. mines seomthing different |
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| 22:38.49 | kyncani | yggdrasil: discover could not find the right module ? |
| 22:38.57 | yggdrasil | no it did |
| 22:39.03 | tsukihime | well but we got something in common it is a DELL card =) |
| 22:39.13 | gevaerts | yggdrasil: it doesn't say anything about group audio ? |
| 22:39.17 | Ollie | how do i get a list of bash aliases that I have created? |
| 22:39.32 | gevaerts | Ollie: "alias" |
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| 22:39.56 | deeee | xseerver gives error with usb mouse. what must i do? |
| 22:40.14 | Coweater | what error? |
| 22:40.39 | Ollie | Why is it that all my aliases that I have created have disappeared? |
| 22:41.40 | dondelelcaro | Ollie: because you didn't write them into your .bashrc or similar. |
| 22:41.43 | stew | Ollie: they aren't persistent. the alias command only creates them temporarily for the shell you execute alias in |
| 22:41.51 | Ollie | :( |
| 22:41.58 | Ollie | damm did not realise that |
| 22:42.02 | stew | !wikifaq Ollie DotFiles |
| 22:42.02 | dpkg | Ollie: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 22:42.24 | yggdrasil | gevaerts |
| 22:42.25 | yggdrasil | no |
| 22:42.28 | Ollie | So there is no way of getting the aliases I created back? |
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| 22:42.50 | dondelelcaro | Ollie: not unless you've got the shell that you orginally created them in open, no. |
| 22:42.57 | yggdrasil | what is ist alsaconf ? |
| 22:43.09 | yggdrasil | tsukihime did you do alsaconf ? |
| 22:43.27 | Ollie | Oh well i guess we learn from our mistakes thanks for info and links |
| 22:43.48 | deeee | Coweater: error 104. Solved screen error. but now its stuck around xkbd |
| 22:44.00 | gevaerts | yggdrasil: then that is at least part of the problem. |
| 22:44.15 | tsukihime | yggdrasil: alsaconf is alsa configuration, i dont use alsa, i use ESD, and if you do alsaconf then it might work but the program that do not uses alsa will not sound : ) youll have to reconfigure em all to use alsa |
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| 22:44.17 | yggdrasil | when i created the user i didnt have the ound card |
| 22:44.26 | gevaerts | yggdrasil : try running (as root) : usermod -a -G audio yggdrasil |
| 22:44.27 | yggdrasil | oh isee |
| 22:44.35 | deeee | Coweater: Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices |
| 22:44.41 | gevaerts | yggdrasil: and then log out and back in |
| 22:44.54 | yggdrasil | wil do |
| 22:45.10 | stew | deeee: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 22:45.20 | deeee | stew. thanks |
| 22:45.36 | stew | iirc there's a bug in the current udev which is causeing people to not have mousedev automatically loaded |
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| 22:45.48 | stew | which is probably why we have seen these questions over and over today |
| 22:46.11 | yggdrasil | gevaerts that did it |
| 22:46.13 | yggdrasil | thanks man |
| 22:46.15 | yggdrasil | genious |
| 22:46.23 | stew | deeee: actually forget that usbmouse factoid |
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| 22:46.59 | gevaerts | yggdrasil: no problem |
| 22:47.03 | stew | deeee: just modprobe mousedev ; modprobe usbhid |
| 22:47.51 | tsukihime | yggdrasil: hey, what worked? |
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| 22:48.41 | gevaerts | tsukihime: he wasn't a member of the audio group |
| 22:48.44 | VulpesFoxnik | I need some serious help |
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| 22:48.59 | tsukihime | gevaerts: and how can i figured out that?? =/ |
| 22:49.01 | VulpesFoxnik | Anyone know kernel boot messages well? |
| 22:49.15 | Ronin | VulpesFoxnik: best just to state the problem |
| 22:49.19 | inviso_ | Howdy, I'm trying to get a plone instance up. I've got plone installed. I also have a zope instance installed and started. I installed plone-site and can connect, but don't really know where to go from here. Anyone have any links to Debian specific plone info? |
| 22:49.19 | gevaerts | tsukihime: are you running udev ? |
| 22:49.32 | tsukihime | gevaerts: yes.... it is required when updating to new kernel |
| 22:49.57 | VulpesFoxnik | Well I've got 2. My DHCP client locks up. It says I have 2 eth connections but I only have 1 Device |
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| 22:50.36 | yggdrasil | tsukihime adding my user to the sound group |
| 22:50.45 | VulpesFoxnik | The other issue is that udevd-event is reporting a "find_free_number: %e os derecated" |
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| 22:51.07 | tsukihime | yggdrasil: with what command? |
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| 22:51.08 | deeee | stew: modprobe usbhid: no answer |
| 22:51.15 | gevaerts | tsukihime: are the permissions on /dev/dsp0 and /dev/snd/* correct (i.e. are they writable by group audio?) |
| 22:51.17 | stew | deeee: no news is good news |
| 22:51.24 | VulpesFoxnik | I have no clue where to start. Google returned nothing |
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| 22:52.06 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: what does "uname -r" say? what version of udev do you have installed? |
| 22:52.08 | yggdrasil | uhm |
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| 22:52.21 | deeee | stew: modprobe usbmouse: answer: "usbcore:registered new driver usbmouse |
| 22:52.21 | tsukihime | gevaerts: how do i know if they are correct? |
| 22:52.26 | yggdrasil | try running (as root) : usermod -a -G audio yggdrasil |
| 22:52.30 | tsukihime | gevaerts: i am not sure |
| 22:52.42 | VulpesFoxnik | 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 22:52.45 | stew | deeee: make sure you also modprobe mousedev, then try starting x again |
| 22:52.55 | gevaerts | tsukihime: on my machine : ls -l /dev/dsp0: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-01-25 06:45 /dev/dsp0 |
| 22:52.57 | sambrista | gevaerts: hi! I'm back again, do you know how to load an alsa module by hand? I mean, in the webpage you gave me it appears: options snd-cs4236 index=0 port=0x530 cport=0x538 isapnp=0 dma1=1 dma2=0 irq=5 as my card configuration but i don't know how to load it |
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| 22:53.22 | gevaerts | tsukihime: the others should be similar |
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| 22:53.31 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: 2.6.15-1-k7 |
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| 22:53.47 | criminy | If I use the stable minimal boot cd to install, how easy is it to go to sarge? |
| 22:53.56 | gevaerts | sambrista: modprobe snd-cs4236 index=0 port=0x530 cport=0x538 isapnp=0 dma1=1 dma2=0 irq=5 |
| 22:53.57 | criminy | after install, I mean |
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| 22:54.04 | stew | criminy: sarge is stable |
| 22:54.04 | Coweater | criminy: sarge is stable |
| 22:54.14 | criminy | oh! sarge is stable |
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| 22:54.16 | criminy | Okay..I get it |
| 22:54.28 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: should that match my current kernel version exactly? could that be the problem? |
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| 22:54.42 | DanielDiaz | Hello |
| 22:54.45 | tsukihime | gevaerts: it says ls: /dev/dsp0 no such file or directory |
| 22:54.45 | yggdrasil | awesome audacity even runs and records... |
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| 22:54.48 | DaDave | hi all |
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| 22:55.00 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: should which? your udev version? |
| 22:55.05 | Mardus | Hi again. |
| 22:55.06 | VulpesFoxnik | stew yes |
| 22:55.06 | DaDave | is there any Tomcat packages available for Debian Stable? |
| 22:55.12 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: no |
| 22:55.17 | VulpesFoxnik | stew good |
| 22:55.38 | tsukihime | gevaerts: it says ls: ls -l /dev/dsp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7081984 2006-03-2118:46 /dev/dsp |
| 22:55.39 | gevaerts | tsukihime: try 'modprobe snd_pcm_oss' |
| 22:55.55 | Mardus | I've installed woody into a newer computer from an older install CD that I had... Now, the computer has an e100 NIC, I've downloaded the source for it, but can't compile, because of missing kernel headers, which I installed from the CD, but they are still missing? |
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| 22:56.06 | Coweater | DaDave: in contrib |
| 22:56.19 | stew | tsukihime: that's messed up, /dev/dsp should be a char device, not a regular file |
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| 22:56.34 | DaDave | Coweater: ah okay. thanks! |
| 22:56.48 | stew | tsukihime: did someone tell you to "cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp" or something? |
| 22:57.05 | tsukihime | gevaerts: it didnt do a thing with last command |
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| 22:57.19 | tsukihime | stew: it was wrong spelled it is not dps0 it was dsp, and no |
| 22:57.25 | jeward | My sound doesn't work on stock 2.4 kernel: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 22:57.27 | tsukihime | stew: i havent do that command yet |
| 22:57.45 | kjdyslex | When I am starting X, -pointer "blah blah" with a space does not work, yet the default name is "Configured Mouse" with a space, weird |
| 22:57.48 | unix_infidel | how can i setup keybinds to where control+up gets me into copy mode instead control+a+[ |
| 22:57.48 | deeee | stew: after a rebbot ...it's running. thanks a lot!! |
| 22:57.51 | tsukihime | stew: i mean yes i did that =O |
| 22:57.51 | gevaerts | tsukihime: what sound modules are loaded (try lsmod|grep snd) ? |
| 22:57.53 | unix_infidel | for screen. |
| 22:57.57 | unix_infidel | in screenrc :P |
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| 22:58.08 | stew | deeee: make sure those things you modprobed are listed in /etc/modules |
| 22:58.28 | tsukihime | gevaerts: go to #flood please |
| 22:58.39 | deadcat | unix_infidel: bind |
| 22:58.52 | stew | tsukihime: you need to "rm /dev/dsp" the get the dsp device recreated. do you run udev? |
| 22:59.04 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: could ispdhcp be trying to use my firewire port as an ethernet device? |
| 22:59.12 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: definately |
| 22:59.28 | VulpesFoxnik | stew could that be what is causing the lockup durring boot? |
| 22:59.42 | jeward | My sound doesn't work on stock 2.4 kernel: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 22:59.44 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: what interface is it trying to configure? |
| 22:59.53 | tsukihime | stew: yes all new linux images ask for udev |
| 22:59.54 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: you never said what version of udev you were running |
| 23:00.09 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: yes I did 2.6.15-1-k7 |
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| 23:00.16 | hjubal | bye |
| 23:00.24 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: that's kernel version |
| 23:00.28 | Mardus | jeward: Have you found out yet what's the make and model of your audio adapter? |
| 23:00.30 | gevaerts | tsukihime: looks like everything is there. |
| 23:00.41 | stew | tsukihime: rm /dev/dsp ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 23:00.49 | DaDave | Coweater: is there also a tomcat 5 available for Stable? |
| 23:00.49 | VulpesFoxnik | stew thats what uname -r returned |
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| 23:00.59 | jeward | Mardus: Manual says: On Board 5.1 Channel AC97 Audio |
| 23:01.01 | deeee | stew: got into kde, but guess what, usb mouse not responding :( |
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| 23:01.15 | Coweater | DaDave: dunno, you'd have to look for backports |
| 23:01.16 | VulpesFoxnik | stew .087-2 |
| 23:01.45 | VulpesFoxnik | stew it seems that the problems are related |
| 23:01.48 | jeward | Mardus: Is that the info you need? |
| 23:01.54 | stew | deeee: you said you rebooted. did you load usbhid and usbmouse again? |
| 23:02.07 | VulpesFoxnik | stew the device that has the find_free_numbre is it configuring the firewire on my sound card |
| 23:02.18 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: which device is dhclient trying to configure |
| 23:02.23 | unix_infidel_ | well ya i know bind, but what's the proper syntax. |
| 23:02.30 | Aghaster | Hi, I am not able to get 3D acceleration working with my ATLANTIS RADEON 9200SE from sapphire. The driver that came with the installation didn't work, so I had to use the vesa one. I then installed the driver from ati, which works, but still without 3D acceleration. Could anyone guide me to some reference about this? |
| 23:02.34 | VulpesFoxnik | stew It gets through eth0 fine |
| 23:02.40 | VulpesFoxnik | stew it seems to lock on eth1 |
| 23:02.41 | deeee | stew: no. just let the box reboot as usual. what should i do? |
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| 23:03.03 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: if it were firewire i don't think it would be named eth1. do you have another kernel that boots? |
| 23:03.05 | tsukihime | stew: "Linux:/home/tsukihime# esd --------------/dev/dsp: No such file or directory" |
| 23:03.08 | Mardus | Aghaster: Maybe you would have had more luck with an nVidia card and its driver/s. |
| 23:03.10 | DaDave | Coweater: where can i find backports? |
| 23:03.11 | VulpesFoxnik | stew no |
| 23:03.20 | jeward | My sound doesn't work on stock 2.4 kernel: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) Manual says: On Board 5.1 Channel AC97 Audio |
| 23:03.23 | Coweater | !tell DaDave -about backports |
| 23:03.25 | Mardus | DaDave: http://backports.org and http://apt-get.org |
| 23:03.26 | Aghaster | Mardus: yeah, but unfortunately i have this video card |
| 23:03.31 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: and you can't boot this one. it locks up? or does it eventually timeout? |
| 23:03.32 | VulpesFoxnik | stew under the hal-device-manager it lists the firewire as unet |
| 23:03.37 | Aghaster | and do not want to buy a new one |
| 23:03.39 | tsukihime | stew: i just did what you said and tried to do start esd and got that error |
| 23:03.48 | DaDave | Coweater: thanks! and you too Mardus :-) |
| 23:03.51 | VulpesFoxnik | stew I press ctrl-c to bypass the step. Otherwize it just sits there |
| 23:04.03 | Mardus | Aghaster: Well, you could use this or wait six months, till a free software driver might get released... |
| 23:04.07 | VulpesFoxnik | stew this is my only machine |
| 23:04.12 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: put the output of "lspci | grep Ether" into a pastebin |
| 23:04.14 | bab_ | Hello, is it possible to find out what version a particular module that's installed has? |
| 23:04.14 | sambrista | it doesn |
| 23:04.29 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: edit /etc/network/interfaces and remove the "auto eth1" line |
| 23:04.31 | sambrista | it doesn't work :( . Well, i have to go. bye everybody |
| 23:04.35 | Aghaster | Mardus: there is no working linux driver that supports it with 3D acceleration? |
| 23:04.46 | stew | tsukihime: what alsa driver are you using? which sound card do you have? |
| 23:04.47 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: pastebin? |
| 23:04.55 | Coweater | Aghaster: there is |
| 23:04.56 | stew | !paster |
| 23:04.56 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 23:05.11 | Aghaster | Coweater: where? |
| 23:05.17 | stew | !paster is also after you have pasted, give us the resulting url |
| 23:05.17 | dpkg | is also after you have pasted, give us the resulting url: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:05.18 | ma3x | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 23:05.22 | ma3x | what should I install for that!? |
| 23:05.32 | stew | uh |
| 23:05.35 | VulpesFoxnik | stew done |
| 23:05.37 | DaDave | How can i find out what version of exact version of debian i have installed on my box? |
| 23:05.40 | tsukihime | stew: i dont think i got alsa, i use ESD "Enlightenment Sound Daemon" and i got a cs4281 sound crystal 4ch |
| 23:05.49 | ecliptik | why would the boot output not display after saying "Booting the kernel" then come up to X just fine? |
| 23:06.19 | stew | tsukihime: you are using oss? |
| 23:06.20 | pucko- | ma3x, I think you have to google for that file. it used to be in the mplayer codec package, but I don't think it's there anymore. |
| 23:06.23 | gevaerts | stew: aparently tsukihime's sound worked with 2.6.8, but it doesn't work with 2.6.12 (with new udev?) |
| 23:06.35 | stew | gevaerts: he doesnt ahve a sound driver loaded at all |
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| 23:07.03 | deeee | DaDave: type /msg dpkg debian version |
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| 23:07.15 | tsukihime | stew: i am not using oss -.- i am using "ESD" and it is like gevaerts said |
| 23:07.21 | DaDave | ups |
| 23:07.45 | bab_ | Is it possible to find out a modules version with modprobe? |
| 23:07.46 | gevaerts | stew: they were there before the udev restart anyway |
| 23:07.49 | zethreth | I have a strange problem, When I boot into console I am greated with out the host before the prompt and when I try and login in does not allow me. I've looked at getty and login idividually but don't see where the problem could be. The prompt has <none> were the host should be, I don't no how this happened but I'm thinking I might have a security problem. |
| 23:07.50 | stew | tsukihime: you need a driver for your sound card, you must use either oss or alsa, we recommend alsa, /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 23:07.53 | DaDave | deeee: thanks! |
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| 23:08.06 | jeward | My sound doesn't work on stock 2.4 kernel: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) Manual says: On Board 5.1 Channel AC97 Audio |
| 23:08.17 | deeee | DaDave: my pleasure |
| 23:08.25 | unix_infidel_ | can someone tell me the proper syntax for editing screenrc to bind copy mode to control+up_arrowkey rather than control+a+[ |
| 23:08.27 | stew | tsukihime: or just try "modprobe snd-cs4281" |
| 23:08.41 | Mardus | Aghaster: IMHO, the rule of thumb with ATI vidcards has been that: 1. they don't release their specs (out of which OSS drivers could be written); 2. they didn't release drivers for Linux; 3. Windows/Mac drivers are a priority; usually, the wait time for a free software driver is about six months, becaus that's how much time it takes to rever-engineer ATI's video h/w to make such a driver. |
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| 23:08.46 | unix_infidel_ | ive looked at man, but its not well illucidated. |
| 23:08.49 | stew | tsukihime: and if that works, put "snd-cs4281" into /etc/modules |
| 23:08.58 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: I don't have a eth1 in my interfaces file |
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| 23:09.21 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: do you have the zeroconf package installed? |
| 23:09.34 | VulpesFoxnik | stew let me see |
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| 23:09.47 | Aghaster | Mardus: uh.... i promise my next card will be an nvidia. |
| 23:09.50 | VulpesFoxnik | stew yes |
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| 23:10.28 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: then you need to blacklist the driver for the second ethernet card, did you ever run lspci | grep Ether? |
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| 23:10.35 | Mardus | Aghaster: I hope you won't really need that specific function with your ATI card, because if it otherwise works fine and you won't need that function for work, then it could be ok. |
| 23:10.47 | VulpesFoxnik | stew yes, It's in flood |
| 23:10.50 | jeward | My sound doesn't work on stock 2.4 kernel: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) Manual says: On Board 5.1 Channel AC97 Audio. alsoconf doesn't find it. |
| 23:10.55 | wols_ | Mardus: that's not the worst: 4. ATI opengl drivers suck. and unfortunately, opengl is the only thing in town for linux |
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| 23:11.09 | Aghaster | Mardus: the problem is that without 3D acceleration i cannot really program with ogre3d or irrlicht |
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| 23:11.14 | wols_ | jeward: i810 driver |
| 23:11.22 | Aghaster | because it won't even display most stuff.... |
| 23:11.29 | jeward | wols_ How do I get/load it? |
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| 23:11.59 | LeKomarac | bt829 + cabletv-1.3.9 Need help ;) |
| 23:12.00 | jeward | wols_: How do I get/load it? |
| 23:12.05 | stew | that zeroconf package is going to be trouble for a while it seems |
| 23:12.11 | phaedral | where's the faq on how debian community is organized; in particular, if one were looking to review discussions of something like a proposed #debian-newbie channel? |
| 23:12.12 | Mardus | Aghaster: Oh frell... |
| 23:12.22 | Aghaster | :( |
| 23:12.30 | gevaerts | Aghaster: 9200SE should work with the free drivers |
| 23:12.45 | Aghaster | gevaerts: of course it works, but without 3D acceleration |
| 23:12.58 | Mardus | wols_: What's with OpenGL and Linux? |
| 23:13.09 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: is the eth1394 module loaded? |
| 23:13.11 | Aghaster | thats why i'm asking if there is a way to get 3D acceleration working |
| 23:13.25 | VulpesFoxnik | stew lsmod right? |
| 23:13.27 | gevaerts | Aghaster: even 3d should work |
| 23:13.30 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: yes |
| 23:13.36 | wols_ | Mardus: just that ATI opengl drivers totally suck and opengl is the only 3d api for linux |
| 23:13.46 | sonyman | opengl ftw |
| 23:13.54 | Mardus | wols_: That sux. |
| 23:13.56 | VulpesFoxnik | stew yes it is |
| 23:14.01 | fooz | ATI ftw |
| 23:14.07 | fooz | the ATI drivers aren't that bad |
| 23:14.08 | Aghaster | gevarts: then i must be doing something wrong... i'm not a linux expert. but i do not have an ati radeon 9200SE, but a sapphire ati ATLANTIS RADEON 9200SE |
| 23:14.14 | sonyman | 3dfx ftw. |
| 23:14.23 | Aghaster | which must be a bit different from the radeon 9200SE, i guess |
| 23:14.27 | fooz | 3dfx is dead, and my voodoo5 won't fit in a modern AGP slot |
| 23:14.37 | Aghaster | otherwise, which driver would you recommend to get 3D acceleration working? |
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| 23:14.45 | gevaerts | Aghaster: shouldn't matter too much. What kernel are you running ? |
| 23:14.51 | sonyman | fooz: I know, but 3dfx was undeniably the king of their time |
| 23:14.51 | Aghaster | I've tried vesa and newest ati's proprietary driver |
| 23:14.53 | tsukihime | stew: can i post you real problem??.. |
| 23:14.54 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: you need to blacklist that module "/msg dpkg blacklist" you need the last part |
| 23:14.55 | Aghaster | 2.6.15 |
| 23:15.05 | fooz | sonyman, their time was a couple short years |
| 23:15.06 | fooz | heh |
| 23:15.08 | phaedral | is there anything to stop me from registering a #debian-newbies and setting up a mod of dpkg to talk on the channel? |
| 23:15.09 | sonyman | fooz: sadly |
| 23:15.20 | stew | tsukihime: sure, just don't paste in this channel |
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| 23:15.25 | gevaerts | Aghaster: should br new enough. Do you have the agpgart and correct agp chipset driver loaded ? |
| 23:15.32 | tsukihime | stew: dont worry it is hand writed |
| 23:15.32 | VulpesFoxnik | stew will that break my firewire or just It's ability to be used as a networker? |
| 23:15.36 | sonyman | fooz: Glide was such a good api |
| 23:15.45 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: the latter |
| 23:15.46 | Aghaster | where can i see this? |
| 23:15.50 | sonyman | fooz: from an end-users pov. |
| 23:15.51 | fooz | I never coded to it. The reference implementation wasn't very portable, though |
| 23:15.58 | gevaerts | Aghaster: I wouldn't run the proprietary driver unless absolutely necessary. |
| 23:15.59 | Mardus | Aghaster: So you have a Sapphire video card with an ATI chip? |
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| 23:16.10 | Aghaster | yeah |
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| 23:16.16 | Aghaster | its a sapphire card with an ati chip |
| 23:16.20 | ma3x | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 23:16.24 | ma3x | what do I need to have installed for that? |
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| 23:16.28 | ma3x | w32codecs doesnt help |
| 23:16.34 | jeward | wols_: That worked! How do I make it stick? |
| 23:16.55 | dorileo | does anybody know if there's an agregator to Debian Weekly News? |
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| 23:17.11 | Mardus | phaedral: I think there's a website for debian newbies, with forums and the like. Can't remember the name, though, but look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
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| 23:17.20 | tsukihime | stew: /etc/init.d/rc:/ line 58 /etc/init.d/rc2.d/S50esd -> permission denied |
| 23:17.33 | tsukihime | stew: thats what it says when booting =) |
| 23:17.45 | Aghaster | gevaerts: where can i see if the correct agpgart loaded? |
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| 23:18.22 | abz | anyone willing to help me out here? I am wantingto find a way to get aim installed to my computer |
| 23:18.25 | Mardus | phaedral: - And then jump to "External Links" |
| 23:18.25 | jeward | Now that I have loaded the right sound module, how do I make sure it's loaded on reboot? |
| 23:18.31 | sonyman | abz: whats the problem? |
| 23:18.38 | Mardus | abz: apt-get install gaim |
| 23:18.45 | sonyman | or kopete |
| 23:18.51 | stew | tsukihime: what does "lsmod | grep cs42" output? anything? nothing? |
| 23:18.59 | abz | mardus: I have gaim |
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| 23:19.07 | Mardus | abz: You want the actual aim program? |
| 23:19.08 | unix_infidel_ | anyone use encfs? |
| 23:19.13 | gevaerts | Aghaster: dmesg|grep drm or dmesg|grep agp |
| 23:19.17 | stew | tsukihime: what version of debian is this? |
| 23:19.18 | abz | mardus: yeah |
| 23:19.23 | stew | tsukihime: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:19.28 | jeward | Now that I have loaded the right sound module, how do I make sure it's loaded on reboot? |
| 23:19.29 | VulpesFoxnik | stew now what? |
| 23:19.33 | VulpesFoxnik | stew reboot? |
| 23:19.37 | Mardus | abz: Ah well, I don't have experience with that... |
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| 23:19.41 | idb | hi |
| 23:19.47 | wols_ | jeward: /etc/modules |
| 23:19.50 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: the next time you reboot, it hopefully won't be trying to configure eth1 |
| 23:19.51 | idb | how can I know if I have samba installed |
| 23:20.02 | VulpesFoxnik | stew K I'll go try it out |
| 23:20.08 | tsukihime | stew: eehh this is debian testing, and it describes my sound card the lsmod grep cs42, and uname -r says 2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 23:20.09 | wols_ | jeward: but the i810 driver is probably OSS. maybe look for a snd_* driver for it |
| 23:20.13 | abz | Mardus: well its not necessarily the program itself... forst of all I dont know how to work the command prompt |
| 23:20.22 | Mardus | idb: dpkg -S samba might be a good start to see if any samba packages are there... |
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| 23:20.39 | stew | tsukihime: what does "lsmod | grep cs42" output? |
| 23:20.43 | jeward | wols_: Why do I care if it works? |
| 23:20.44 | Mardus | abz: You have Sarge? |
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| 23:20.46 | abz | Mardus: I need to find out how to get into that and log in as root and start inputting commands |
| 23:20.51 | abz | Mardus: nto sure |
| 23:20.56 | tsukihime | stew: mind going to flood? |
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| 23:21.01 | stew | tsukihime: i'm there |
| 23:21.03 | idb | yes i have samba and samba-common |
| 23:21.19 | bab_ | MOJN! |
| 23:21.21 | idb | does damba have a control program to use |
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| 23:21.30 | Mardus | abz: Press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and see whether it says sarge or woody (usually Debian 3.1 Sarge or something to that end) |
| 23:21.40 | Mardus | abz: wiat |
| 23:21.45 | AngelGabriel | Can anyone recommend a linux distro that turns an old PC into NAS? |
| 23:21.53 | stew | tsukihime: and what does "ls -l /dev/dsp" say now? |
| 23:21.54 | Mardus | abz: wait. And to return back to X, press Alt+F7 |
| 23:22.09 | Aghaster | gevaerts: if dmesg|grep drm outputs nothing, is it a sign? |
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| 23:22.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
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| 23:22.19 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:22.23 | deadcat | you dont have drm |
| 23:22.23 | tsukihime | stew: i installed the alsa line and sound is back again, thanks man |
| 23:22.25 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: debian |
| 23:22.43 | phaedral | Mardus: thanks for the lead |
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| 23:22.52 | tarzeau | does someone ride horses? |
| 23:22.53 | idb | everyone: does samba have a control panel ? |
| 23:23.01 | AngelGabriel | tarzeau, funny! i meant like a derivitive - i don't want to spend ages hardening it |
| 23:23.02 | stew | tsukihime: make sure you have lines in /etc/modules for both "snd-cs4281" and "snd-pcm-oss" |
| 23:23.05 | idb | if it does how to invoke it |
| 23:23.09 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: read harden-doc |
| 23:23.15 | deeee | idb: yes swat |
| 23:23.16 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: it's a matter of 10 minutes |
| 23:23.19 | AngelGabriel | tarzeau, i was afraid you'd say that! |
| 23:23.24 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: it's true |
| 23:23.29 | AngelGabriel | ten minutes? really? |
| 23:23.33 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: it's the universal thing |
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| 23:23.39 | tsukihime | stew: but one problem is that i do not use alsa, cause artsd is a problem... do you know how can i amke artsd to not be using card all the time?? |
| 23:23.41 | VulpesFoxnik | stew Nope |
| 23:23.46 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: yes, run netstat -na, turn off services you don't need. done |
| 23:23.50 | VulpesFoxnik | stew still does it. Got rid of the Eth1 though |
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| 23:23.55 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: depending on your needs do more or less |
| 23:24.03 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: 10 minutes, if i do it |
| 23:24.07 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: you can hire me |
| 23:24.11 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: wait, what is it doing if eth1 is gone? |
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| 23:24.20 | VulpesFoxnik | stew Just sittin ghtere |
| 23:24.22 | idb | thanx everyone |
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| 23:24.27 | tsukihime | stew: oh dont worry ill add esd to start sequence ;P thx for help man |
| 23:24.31 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: i also take alternative money (as in form of women and the like) |
| 23:24.33 | VulpesFoxnik | The lasttt like has to do with ispdhcp running |
| 23:24.34 | gevaerts | Aghaster: yes. There should be some output |
| 23:24.35 | stew | tsukihime: you do use alsa |
| 23:24.37 | jeward | Is runlevel 5 X gui login? |
| 23:24.42 | tarzeau | jeward: no |
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| 23:24.46 | jeward | 3? |
| 23:24.49 | stew | jeward: 2-5 are all the same in debian by default |
| 23:24.49 | AngelGabriel | tarzeau, women, i have plenty of those, what's ur preferance? |
| 23:24.50 | tarzeau | jeward: runlevel 5 is runlevel 5, and it can be anything |
| 23:24.50 | gevaerts | Aghaster: try 'modprobe radeon', and dmesg |
| 23:25.01 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: doing what? |
| 23:25.05 | deadcat | jeward: no. |
| 23:25.06 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: long hair, large, slim, smart |
| 23:25.09 | VulpesFoxnik | stew It's wating for a renewal in 43200 seconds |
| 23:25.16 | Aghaster | gevaerts: i'm getting help in #ati, you could join the chan if you want |
| 23:25.21 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: on which interface? |
| 23:25.30 | VulpesFoxnik | stew looks like eth0 |
| 23:25.44 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: should be between 25 and 38 |
| 23:25.49 | gevaerts | Aghaster: probably not, it's time to go to sleep |
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| 23:25.50 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: european style |
| 23:25.58 | Aghaster | ok |
| 23:25.59 | Aghaster | thanks anyway |
| 23:26.01 | Aghaster | for your time |
| 23:26.03 | VulpesFoxnik | stew anyway I can access what the boot log says. I wrote it down but it changed this time with the new boot |
| 23:26.04 | na7e | is there a way to test in a shellscript if dpkg is available for use? |
| 23:26.06 | lightcap | what would cause a sustained loss of entropy in the system? Have a look a this graph: http://admin.pvpowered.com/munin/pvpowered.com/dcgateway.pvpowered.com-entropy.html |
| 23:26.06 | tarzeau | AngelGabriel: preferably speaks german,english and french |
| 23:26.11 | deeee | stew: can you give me a hand? still have no mouse. added usbhid , usbmouse to /etc/modules |
| 23:26.12 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 23:26.13 | gevaerts | Aghaster: good luck |
| 23:26.20 | Aghaster | thanks |
| 23:26.20 | Azar | tarzeau: my mom |
| 23:26.24 | tarzeau | Azar: photo? |
| 23:26.24 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: or just run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 23:26.43 | tarzeau | Azar: i don't care. as long as she doesn't breastfeed you anymore |
| 23:26.44 | na7e | as in it's not locked by apt or some package installation? |
| 23:26.45 | Azar | :) |
| 23:26.47 | wols_ | tarzeau: will be expensive. but on the bright side, you have an angel doing the search for her for you |
| 23:26.49 | stew | deeee: so "lsmod | grep mouse" lists both usbmouse and mousedev? |
| 23:27.02 | br1 | Hi. I have dowloaded the first debian DVD. Can I make a CD out of it? What do I leave out? TIA. |
| 23:27.15 | wols_ | br1: no |
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| 23:27.20 | lightcap | or, is there a way to see what date/time a package was installed? I need to figure out why I've lost most of the entropy in the system. |
| 23:27.20 | Ronin | br1: why did you get the dvd then? |
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| 23:27.30 | tarzeau | wols_: you know you can get anything, with the right bait |
| 23:27.45 | wols_ | get? yes. but keep it? |
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| 23:27.58 | na7e | so how do you test programmatically if dpkg is locked by another process? |
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| 23:28.01 | br1 | Ronin: I want to give Debian to a friend that only has a CD-ROM. |
| 23:28.04 | stew | lightcap: on sarge, no, on etch/sid /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:28.04 | tarzeau | wols_: even that is possible, just be smart |
| 23:28.19 | jeward | Hmm, it seems i810 audio made the system unstable. First lockup since I installed sarge last week. |
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| 23:28.29 | lightcap | stew: bummer...It's a very obvious time that the entropy dropped... |
| 23:28.36 | wols_ | br1: then download a cd. or a netinst iso |
| 23:28.39 | Ronin | br1: then either lend them your dvd or burn a cd for them or even better tell them about net install |
| 23:28.44 | tarzeau | wols_: what are we talking about? that you can't keep? |
| 23:28.47 | VulpesFoxnik | stew check flood |
| 23:28.55 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:28.55 | dpkg | <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
| 23:29.02 | stew | lightcap: well maybe you could look at creation times in /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
| 23:29.03 | wols_ | the woman/en your angel will find for you |
| 23:29.13 | lightcap | stew: okay |
| 23:29.28 | tarzeau | wols_: nothing easier than that, you know what collars are good for? |
| 23:29.31 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: that all looks normal |
| 23:29.36 | Azar | :D |
| 23:29.47 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: yes but it's just sitting there |
| 23:29.47 | lightcap | ah, of course...new kernel. |
| 23:30.00 | wols_ | tarzeau: your collared <whatever> will shout for help in english german and french then? |
| 23:30.03 | VulpesFoxnik | stew it doesn't exit, like there is an infinite loop |
| 23:30.12 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: that is during boot or during networking restart? |
| 23:30.29 | tarzeau | wols_: she'll bark "woof" if she wants to say "yes" and "woof woof" if she wants to say "no" |
| 23:30.31 | beardy | br1: If he doesn't have a reasonable net connection, or not one at all, suggest to him/her that he/she buys a dvd drive, so you can give him the two dvd:s, instead of a whole pile of cd:s. |
| 23:30.45 | eeyore- | how many barks for "maybe"? |
| 23:30.51 | VulpesFoxnik | stew both |
| 23:30.57 | tarzeau | eeyore-: she needs to pant for that |
| 23:31.00 | VulpesFoxnik | stew the program hasn't exited in the terminal |
| 23:31.08 | wols_ | good training then |
| 23:31.23 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: does "dhclient eth0" do the same thing? |
| 23:31.33 | jeward | wols_: Wouls OSS be less stable than alsa? |
| 23:31.34 | Azar | I want a girlfriend who likes debian |
| 23:31.37 | wols_ | pant? I thought she'd be required to do that 24/7. or at least when you're around |
| 23:31.45 | tarzeau | Azar: i doubt |
| 23:31.47 | wols_ | jeward: no clue. it's older at least |
| 23:31.55 | tarzeau | Azar: i'd never want one with computer interests... |
| 23:32.04 | tarzeau | Azar: you want to spend her time with you. not your computer! |
| 23:32.13 | VulpesFoxnik | stew nope. it exits |
| 23:32.16 | Azar | tarzeau I want to share my hobbies with a woman |
| 23:32.20 | tarzeau | wols_: especially if she wants something.. say like. you know what i mean |
| 23:32.30 | tarzeau | Azar: everything, just not computers. believe me |
| 23:32.44 | Azar | tarzeau I hate women who get jealous on my box |
| 23:32.55 | br1 | beardy: I can't lend her the drive because the machine is a laptop. I will download the CD(s). Just checking if it was avoidable. Thanks to you all. |
| 23:33.27 | beardy | br1: Ok, yes, get the CDs in that case. |
| 23:33.53 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: can you paste the output of 'egrep -v "(^#|^?)" /etc/network/interfaces' into flood |
| 23:34.10 | stew | err |
| 23:34.13 | na7e | if anyone has any ideas on programmatically checking for the availability of dpkg, please let me know |
| 23:34.24 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: egrep -v "(^#|^$)" /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:34.31 | beardy | br1: But you can start with the first two or three first. Perhaps that will be enough, most things she want, or that you want to show her is one the first two or three discs, you can get the other later, if you need them. |
| 23:34.38 | VulpesFoxnik | hehe oops |
| 23:35.15 | stew | na7e: whether or not /usr/bin/dpkg is available? |
| 23:35.26 | VulpesFoxnik | stew done |
| 23:35.29 | br1 | beardy: I will do that. The machine is old and small. |
| 23:35.39 | beardy | na7e: 'which dpkg' |
| 23:36.02 | na7e | stew, yes, I need to check if apt is being used in a shell-script before I have it try to install some packages |
| 23:36.25 | na7e | well, really if dpkg is locked |
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| 23:37.07 | na7e | *crickets chirp* |
| 23:37.08 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: odd. i'd check the bts for both ifupdown and zeroconf |
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| 23:37.13 | ecliptik | can you extract a tar into a directory other than the current one? |
| 23:37.15 | grendal_prime | whos good woth bash ..i need to report the time in a script |
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| 23:37.21 | VulpesFoxnik | stew What? |
| 23:37.23 | grendal_prime | $curtime..somethign liek that? |
| 23:37.25 | beardy | na7e: It will refuse, or actually say that the database is locked, and not continue, so see what actually happens, if it exits unsuccessfully, IIRC it does that, then you can check the exit status. |
| 23:37.29 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:37.29 | zinx | grendal_prime: date |
| 23:37.31 | na7e | grandma, `date`? |
| 23:37.59 | beardy | grendal_prime: echo $(date) |
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| 23:38.45 | GDG | hi, I use alien to create a .deb from last firefox .tar.gz, when I install it, it was placed in /firefox (at the same level of /opt or /home), can I specify a path/prefix ? |
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| 23:38.49 | na7e | beardy, hrm, that's one way to do it but that works out in a very ugly way for my whiptail gauge |
| 23:38.56 | tarzeau | GDG: haha |
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| 23:39.00 | tarzeau | GDG: yes it's possible |
| 23:39.06 | beardy | !absg grendal_prime |
| 23:39.06 | dpkg | grendal_prime: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'. |
| 23:39.07 | tarzeau | GDG: but why don't you use debian firefox? |
| 23:39.07 | GDG | tarzeau? |
| 23:39.11 | LoneWlf794 | How do I apply network changes after editting /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:39.16 | tarzeau | GDG: i mean there's backports.org ? |
| 23:39.17 | GDG | 1.0.x ? |
| 23:39.18 | beardy | na7e: Yes, I agree that it's not very nice. |
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| 23:39.24 | tarzeau | LoneWlf794: ifdown/ifup interface |
| 23:39.34 | tarzeau | GDG: what debian do you have? |
| 23:39.39 | GDG | ubuntu |
| 23:39.44 | GDG | :P |
| 23:39.49 | wols_ | then go away |
| 23:39.54 | GDG | [sorry] |
| 23:39.59 | beardy | GDG: /topic and /join #ubuntu |
| 23:40.04 | LoneWlf794 | tarzeau: thanks |
| 23:40.05 | stew | na7e: you need to see if its possible to flock the lock file, but bash doens't have an flock i don't think, you'd have to use perl, and the location of the lockfile could have been changed via apt.conf iirc |
| 23:40.47 | na7e | steri, that just increased in levels of ugliness ;-) |
| 23:40.58 | na7e | stew, that just increased in levels of ugliness ;-) |
| 23:41.24 | mngrif | about how long could a P4-2.8 run without a heatsink? |
| 23:41.28 | VulpesFoxnik | stew nothing |
| 23:41.39 | loxety | mngrif, maybe 1 sec |
| 23:41.42 | wols_ | mngrif: indefinitely. it just won't run at 2.8GHz |
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| 23:42.06 | VulpesFoxnik | stew Nothing relivant that I can tell |
| 23:42.15 | stew | na7e: maybe use fuser to see if the lockfile is open? |
| 23:42.15 | beardy | mngrif: If you want to keep it healthy, don't find out. |
| 23:42.16 | wols_ | mngrif: look up P4 throttling |
| 23:42.18 | mngrif | loxety, wols_ , just wondering to see if this thing will post before i make yet another run |
| 23:42.32 | mngrif | i forgot a heatsink of all things.. |
| 23:42.36 | wols_ | beardy: it will stay healthy without a prob. as healthy as a P4 can be anways |
| 23:42.44 | loxety | mngrif, having cooling issues? |
| 23:42.55 | mngrif | nah, just building a new box for someone |
| 23:43.11 | mngrif | someone elses money, so i think i'll just make yet another store run |
| 23:43.11 | na7e | stew, i'll look into it |
| 23:43.20 | wols_ | mngrif: but if you can, fix that heatsink NOW |
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| 23:43.30 | Mardus | Question: If I did a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge, would module information also be upgraded, like existing modules replaced with new/modern modules? |
| 23:43.33 | loxety | mngrif, good luck |
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| 23:43.36 | grandma | anyone familiar with WPC11 linksys wireless card on 2.6.15 kernel? |
| 23:43.40 | wols_ | before you turn the box on. it's engineered and supposed to not burn. but I dunno if intel guarantees that... |
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| 23:43.46 | loxety | mngrif, already picked out a HSF? |
| 23:43.47 | VulpesFoxnik | stew are there packages I should try to purge then reinstal? prehaps something is borked in my configuration |
| 23:43.51 | mngrif | eh, not a big deal |
| 23:43.57 | beardy | wols_: Hmm, so it wont overheat, does it have things in itself that shuts it down, or clocks it down if it gets to hot? I thought that was entirely a bios thing. |
| 23:44.00 | mngrif | loxety, nope |
| 23:44.09 | wols_ | beardy: it throttles itself, yes |
| 23:44.17 | beardy | wols_: Ok. |
| 23:44.22 | Mardus | I'm had to resubmit this, because of a short disconnect: If I did a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge, would module information also be upgraded, like existing modules replaced with new/modern modules? |
| 23:44.22 | wols_ | and no BIOS thing (on athlons it is tho) |
| 23:44.27 | Mardus | * I had to |
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| 23:44.42 | wols_ | Mardus: unlikely. which modules? |
| 23:44.44 | beardy | wols_: I only have Athlons. :) |
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| 23:44.48 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: looks like it could be #349340 |
| 23:44.52 | Mardus | wols_: I need e100, but that's not on woody, but on sarge. |
| 23:44.56 | wols_ | however, kernel modules rarely change names |
| 23:44.59 | beardy | wols_: And older Intels though. |
| 23:45.02 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: if i were you, i'd try to figure out what command is being executed when it hangs |
| 23:45.35 | kingmike | Hi. I'm having a big problem : I install debian with a floppy and apt, I set the sources to unstable and security.debian.org. When I restart my computer, my network interfaces can still be activated, I can ping my local network, but I cant ping any other computer on the internet (for instance I can't even ping my dns servers). Any idea ? |
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| 23:45.41 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: which you could do with either strace -f ; or maybe with ps auxwww --forest |
| 23:45.49 | Mardus | wols_: The point is that the woody #1 CD does not contain e100 and I can't connect another machine to the net because of that. |
| 23:45.58 | grandma | i'm unable to get my linksys WPC11 ver.3 PCMCIA card working with 2.6.15 kernel, it was working fine on an older kernel long ago |
| 23:45.59 | jdhutchin1 | kingmike, do you need a dhcp address or something like that? |
| 23:46.00 | wols_ | kingmike: route or dns |
| 23:46.06 | wols_ | kingmike: fix your network setup |
| 23:46.26 | stew | Mardus: which kernel are you using? |
| 23:46.29 | wols_ | Mardus: unlikely. woody has kernel 2.4 |
| 23:46.42 | kingmike | jdhutchin1 : no, my dsl modem acts as a gateway. |
| 23:46.43 | stew | Mardus: are you sure its not built into bf24? like maybe not as a module? |
| 23:47.08 | Mardus | stew: I am sure, because modconf doesnt have the module listed. The kernel is 2.4.18-bf24. |
| 23:47.10 | wols_ | kingmike: check route and dns |
| 23:47.12 | kingmike | wols_ : thanks, I know I have to fix my network setup, but what do I need to install ? |
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| 23:47.31 | kingmike | wols_ : you mean I must check if they're installed ? |
| 23:47.32 | VulpesFoxnik | stew yes that does sound like it |
| 23:47.40 | curt | kingmike, is it a dynamic setup? |
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| 23:47.47 | kingmike | curt : no |
| 23:47.48 | stew | Mardus: if its not listed in modconf, it could still be built in |
| 23:47.57 | Mardus | stew: From source, right? |
| 23:48.00 | nekostar | eh |
| 23:48.01 | wols_ | kingmike: run /sbin/route if you have it. if you haven't installed that look at packages.debian.org where it's in |
| 23:48.02 | stew | Mardus: huh? no |
| 23:48.12 | curt | kingmike, are you just trying to finish the install or are you past that? |
| 23:48.14 | nekostar | is there a setting for pure-ftpd where one cannot/can see large files? |
| 23:48.14 | wols_ | no, check if they're set correctly |
| 23:48.19 | nekostar | files say over 4 gigs ?? |
| 23:48.21 | kingmike | wols_ : that'll solve my problem ? |
| 23:48.42 | usan | can i download ISOs on hard disk and install debian without using network and CDs? |
| 23:48.42 | wols_ | it might. cause that's one of the things that can produce your symptoms |
| 23:48.51 | kingmike | curt : I have finished the install, but I can't reboot or I will lose my network setup and I don't know even why |
| 23:48.58 | Mardus | stew: Ok, though I have the source of the module, but I don't think I have it anywhere on the woody#1 CD. |
| 23:48.59 | VulpesFoxnik | stew what does zeroconf do? do I need it at all? |
| 23:49.02 | stew | usan: you have to use apt-move |
| 23:49.04 | wols_ | usan: how do you want to boot your system? |
| 23:49.27 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: you are a gnome user? |
| 23:49.29 | usan | wols_, with the minimal CD, i do not want to burn 6 7 CDs |
| 23:49.32 | wols_ | Mardus: boot woody with a 2.4 kernel |
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| 23:49.40 | VulpesFoxnik | stew Nope, Fluxbox |
| 23:49.46 | hyperactivecrond | ugHHH! no such luck |
| 23:49.55 | stew | Mardus: do you understand what I'm saying that it might be built in and not built as a module? |
| 23:49.57 | usan | wols_, can i store the packages somwhere on harddisk and then use it instead of the ftp/http? |
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| 23:49.59 | hyperactivecrond | shit brb |
| 23:50.00 | curt | kingmike, why don't you start by taking a look at ifconfig and route or netstat -nr |
| 23:50.09 | wols_ | usan: if you install from the netinst or businesscard iso you have anywhing you need. you can then install the rest easily from CDs harddisk or whatever |
| 23:50.14 | Mardus | stew: Yes, but how do I see if it's built in or not? |
| 23:50.18 | Mardus | wols_: I do have it booted in 2.4. |
| 23:50.23 | Mardus | * with 2.4 |
| 23:50.26 | usan | stew, how do u use it? |
| 23:50.42 | kingmike | curt : running route shows no apparent problem. My gateway appears correctly |
| 23:50.45 | stew | usan: i don't |
| 23:50.47 | wols_ | Mardus: dmesg |
| 23:50.51 | usan | wols_, i can not use network in the installation |
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| 23:51.15 | VulpesFoxnik | stew thank you for your time. I'll go look up the dependacies on zeroconf. If I can remove it without things breaking I will |
| 23:51.32 | usan | wols_, is it enough to burn the business card CD and go through it? |
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| 23:51.32 | Mardus | wols_: What should I look for in dmesg? |
| 23:51.32 | kingmike | curt : can I use route to configure my connection ? |
| 23:51.32 | wols_ | usan: yes. that's a fully functional debian |
| 23:51.33 | curt | kingmike, debian uses /etc/network/interfaces to configure on startup |
| 23:51.35 | stew | usan: read /usr/share/doc/apt-move |
| 23:51.42 | beardy | usan: Yes, you can have a local package repository and point your sourses.list to that. |
| 23:51.43 | wols_ | Mardus: e100 of course |
| 23:51.54 | wols_ | or "eth0" |
| 23:51.55 | usan | bready, how do you do that? |
| 23:52.05 | beardy | s/sourses.list/sources.list/ |
| 23:52.14 | nekostar | hm |
| 23:52.24 | Mardus | wols_: "Pattern not found" |
| 23:52.28 | curt | kingmike, /etc/init.d/networking is the daemon that you use to start/stop/restart |
| 23:52.33 | nekostar | anyone around who is familiar with the pure-ftpd pure-ftpd-common packages? |
| 23:52.34 | nekostar | i e |
| 23:52.41 | deeee | stew: yes. both listed. and after usbcore also. line 1 usbmouse 5504 0 - line 2 mousedev 9906 1 line 3 - usbcore 104164 5 usbmouse, ohci_hcd, usbhid |
| 23:52.45 | nekostar | are they compiled with large file support or is there a way to tell ?? |
| 23:53.01 | wols_ | Mardus: modprobe e100 |
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| 23:53.11 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 23:53.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 23:53.18 | hyperactivecrond | uggh... any idas here |
| 23:53.22 | hyperactivecrond | !laptop |
| 23:53.22 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 23:53.45 | DuncanF | !backport |
| 23:53.45 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 23:53.53 | Mardus | wols_: can't locate and the same applies to e1000. |
| 23:54.00 | deeee | line 4: - /msg dpkg lsmod |
| 23:54.09 | ma3x | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 23:54.19 | ma3x | what package should I install? |
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| 23:54.36 | wols_ | ma3x: w32-codecs probably |
| 23:54.42 | ma3x | wols_, it doesnt work with that |
| 23:54.50 | kingmike | curt : ok, thanks. I've made a copy of the file in case I'm still in trouble configuring my network. |
| 23:54.52 | wols_ | SOL then |
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| 23:55.00 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 23:55.09 | curt | kingmike, good idea |
| 23:55.19 | stew | Mardus: it looks like there is no e100 but try eepro100 |
| 23:55.39 | stew | Mardus: is there a reason you are installing woody and not sarge? |
| 23:55.48 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: Wish me luck. I just purged zeroconf. Gonna see if that will help |
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| 23:55.57 | stew | !bless VulpesFoxnik |
| 23:55.58 | hyperactivecrond | any ideas how to get this damned card 2 work? |
| 23:55.58 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child VulpesFoxnik, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 23:56.09 | Stevie | is there any support for netinst over a usb NIC? |
| 23:56.23 | hyperactivecrond | !moo |
| 23:56.23 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:56.25 | Mardus | stew: Apparently, eepro yielded something interesting. |
| 23:56.44 | curt | hyperactivecrond, hotplug? |
| 23:56.44 | stew | Stevie: is you usb nic supported by 2.6.8? by something newer? |
| 23:56.53 | zrin | one application I want to test looks for libstdc++.so.5 ... am I out of luck? |
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| 23:57.22 | hyperactivecrond | curt: 2.6.x kernel + crystal cs4237B (ISA) = hell |
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| 23:57.39 | ma3x | stew, that finds nothing! |
| 23:57.40 | wols_ | zrin: look in packages.debian.org if there is some such beast |
| 23:57.53 | Mardus | I have a woody iso CD and I was foolish enough to burn Ubuntu-live to it (instead of sarge), before I even got to actually see the newer machine (Ubuntu-live works, but I couldn't login with it for some reason.). |
| 23:57.56 | zrin | wols_: dpkg can't find it |
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| 23:58.06 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: most of your line is rendundant. ISA = hell. that's all you need :) |
| 23:58.06 | amonkey | i'm getting the error "You must run a dkms build for kernel 2.6.12-10-386 (i686) first.", but i can't figure out the command to do it |
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| 23:58.37 | stew | ma3x: there's your answer then |
| 23:58.37 | wols_ | zrin: I didn't say anything about dpkg. packages.debian.org. let it look for the file you search. not a package |
| 23:58.41 | curt | !isa |
| 23:58.41 | dpkg | [isa] (Industry Standard Adapter) The 8- and 16-bit original connectors used in PCs. They run at a bus speed of 8 MHz. You can plug ISA expansion cards into an ISA slot. Modems and sound cards are ISA cards due to their low bandwidth requirements. a piece of shit. |
| 23:58.43 | Mardus | stew: Ah great, I think I have it installed... |
| 23:58.49 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: Yes that did the trick. Thankyou |
| 23:59.04 | na7e | anyone else have an idea for testing if dpkg is being used by another process? |
| 23:59.07 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: you should report your findings to the bts /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 23:59.09 | Stevie | stew: 2.6.15 (etch netinst) and uhh I hope so, it's a Linksys and I know it works with my TiVo |
| 23:59.19 | hyperactivecrond | na7e: ps aux | grep dpkg |
| 23:59.22 | grandma | na7e: ps aux? |
| 23:59.23 | Stevie | USB200M |
| 23:59.24 | hyperactivecrond | !anus |
| 23:59.24 | dpkg | I still have yet to figure out where the vaseline on my anus comes from... |
| 23:59.26 | zrin | wols_: the bot, but I'll search as you say |
| 23:59.38 | na7e | i mean for testing programmatically |
| 23:59.45 | hyperactivecrond | !bless me |
| 23:59.45 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child hyperactivecrond, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 23:59.46 | na7e | ins a script...hmm... |
| 23:59.47 | stew | Stevie: if the kernel on the install cd supports it, you should be able to netinst using it |
| 23:59.59 | hyperactivecrond | i guess i just have to bite the bullet + install win2k |
| 23:59.59 | wols_ | zrin: if it's not at pdo, then too bad, sorry |
