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| 00:00.22 | azeem | beniamino: did you try n #ubuntu? |
| 00:00.25 | eeyore- | dvm: what's the problem? |
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| 00:00.30 | beardy | eeyore-: Will it be included in the stock kernels, or the kernel.org tree? |
| 00:00.44 | benjamindees | dvm, shouldn't matter |
| 00:00.48 | Zet | why does the mediawiki package want to install apache2? |
| 00:00.48 | dvm | eeyore-: Get X running with my video card |
| 00:00.52 | eeyore- | beardy: probably not, not until vesafb-tng is "cleaner" --- you know how it goes :-) |
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| 00:00.58 | eeyore- | dvm: and the card is? |
| 00:01.14 | Zet | even though it says "Depends: apache2 | httpd" and the apache package provides httpd |
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| 00:01.21 | streuner | azeem: you never sleep? |
| 00:01.27 | beniamino | azeem: yes, they are busy struggling with soundcard problems |
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| 00:02.02 | dvm | eeyore-: moment, concole still busy running |
| 00:02.05 | azeem | streuner: oh, I will |
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| 00:02.09 | azeem | still got work to do, though |
| 00:02.11 | dvm | eeyore-: :-) |
| 00:02.29 | streuner | azeem: leg dich ins Nest, es ist schon spät... |
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| 00:02.55 | beardy | dvm: You have it in your history, if your irc client has one, since you have already said it twice :) |
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| 00:03.16 | rutski89 | Why won't /usr/bin/mail send mail to my gmail account? I've tried /usr/bin/mail with -v, and it says "completed" at the end, yet I never see any mail in my inbox in gmail |
| 00:03.27 | dvm | eeyore-: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] (rev 54) |
| 00:03.34 | dvm | beardy: ;-) |
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| 00:04.26 | Azar | dvm your card is suported in x3.3 version (old version) / per abrotman in the log |
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| 00:05.10 | owner | dvm is that a pci card |
| 00:05.20 | eeyore- | dvm: what's the driver you specify in your X config file? |
| 00:05.21 | dvm | Azar: i not understand the end of the phrase |
| 00:05.29 | Wyzard | rutski89: It's probably getting rejected by Gmail's spam filter... which probably does checking based on things like DNS records |
| 00:05.32 | dvm | owner: he is onboard |
| 00:05.48 | dvm | eeyore-: with dpkg-reconfigure s3 |
| 00:05.53 | Azar | dvm you are now using the current version of xfree86 which will not work ok with your video |
| 00:05.53 | Wyzard | rutski89: If the machine you're sending from is not the MX for the domain given in the "from" address, that'd probably be flagged as spam |
| 00:06.12 | Azar | dvm you might want to try installing the old 3.3 version of xfree86 |
| 00:06.17 | eeyore- | dvm: how did you verify that you did in fact load s3 driver? |
| 00:06.26 | owner | dvm run update-pciids |
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| 00:07.03 | dvm | eeyore-: I have not think on it, so i must be do 'lsmod' ? |
| 00:07.27 | eeyore- | dvm: no, X log file. read it. /var/log/X*log |
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| 00:07.49 | dvm | with the last thing, dpkg-reconfig ... S3 and 16 depht also not work |
| 00:07.52 | rutski89 | Wyzard: hmm... well I don't even see it in my spam box, but it is being sent by "rutski89@debian.localdomain.local", but the machine i'm sending from is acutally rutski89.com, how do i get it to send as @rutski89.com? |
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| 00:08.00 | eeyore- | dvm: there may be many X log files in /var/log, pick the right one :-) or, shut down X, delete them all, and restart X *once*. this way you know you have the right one, as there'll be only one |
| 00:08.11 | benjamindees | dvm, 'cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |grep Driver' will show your driver(s) |
| 00:08.11 | beardy | dvm: You have restarted X between the reconfigurations? If not, start doing so, you have to restart X when you have reconfigured it. |
| 00:08.22 | eeyore- | dvm: i'll pay attention to you once again after you've told me "i have read the X log file" or "i have the X log file available" |
| 00:08.57 | Azar | march 2004 log: <abrotman> it may only be supported in x3.3 (about the s3 card) |
| 00:09.05 | Wyzard | rutski89: "dpkg-reconfigure exim"... but as for the details, I don't know; I've never set up a "real" Internet mailserver |
| 00:09.55 | benjamindees | dvm, lftp -c 'open ftp.deesconsulting.com; put /var/log/XFree86.0.log -o incoming/x.log' |
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| 00:10.14 | owner | !pastebin |
| 00:10.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:10.17 | rutski89 | Wyzard: i thought exim didn't have anything to do with /usr/bin/mail |
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| 00:10.37 | rutski89 | Wyzard: me neither, and this isn't a "real" server either :-p Although it would be nice to do that someday |
| 00:11.12 | dvm | owner: yes, that i know, but copy many text from a console is not easy and not give a good result. i copy the file with scp to the main pc |
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| 00:11.18 | Wyzard | rutski89: AFAIK, /usr/bin/mail doesn't actually deliver mail itself -- it gives it to the local "sendmail" (which on most Debian systems is actually exim) for delivery |
| 00:11.50 | Azar | eeyore-: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/20040329.html.gz << similar issue like dvm has |
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| 00:12.04 | kenalex | hello |
| 00:12.32 | kenalex | is kde 3.5 available for debian as yet |
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| 00:12.45 | eheil | hey guys. having a problem with a soundcard on in one of my boxes. This is running the stock Debian 2.6.12 Kernel and its a CS 46XX sound chip. I can see all the modules loaded, yet wyen I raise the volumes with amixer, it reports that the default mixer isn't found. I'm running Ech with Udev, not Hotplug. Any of you experience anything similar? |
| 00:12.52 | strider | kenalex: sid has it |
| 00:12.52 | Wyzard | kenalex: It's in unstable, and maybe in testing by now, but not in a release yet |
| 00:13.14 | streuner | !info konqueror sid |
| 00:13.17 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1958 kB, Installed size: 4831 kB |
| 00:13.23 | streuner | !info konqueror testing |
| 00:13.36 | kenalex | ok |
| 00:13.38 | rutski89 | Wyzard: ahh, i see |
| 00:13.39 | Wyzard | eheil: I've used snd-cs46xx without any such problems |
| 00:14.03 | rutski89 | Wyzard: heh, yup: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Dec 31 00:43 sendmail -> exim4 |
| 00:14.04 | owner | dvm did you try nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:14.06 | owner | as root |
| 00:14.17 | sifi-xz | Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia |
| 00:14.28 | sifi-xz | wtf is that |
| 00:14.32 | Wyzard | rutski89: ah... if you're running exim4, then you'll want to dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, not exim |
| 00:14.41 | eheil | Wyyzzard: Hmm, strange. I know for a fact that the soundcard works, b/c I can even hear it initialize and everything. Just for the heck of it, I catted something to /dev/dsp, and we sure do have a working soundcard. |
| 00:14.43 | dvm | owner: i have use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' without editing this file by the hand |
| 00:14.56 | Wyzard | sifi-xz: As a guess, fear of the number 666? |
| 00:15.03 | owner | dvm try editing by hand |
| 00:15.05 | sifi-xz | Wyzard, 10p =) |
| 00:15.11 | ongeboren | what's wrong with the i8k.o kernel module ? it's no longer included in i8kutils and I need to download and extract the linux sources just to compile that one module ? I don't get the point |
| 00:15.18 | kenalex | what advantages does debian have over the other linux OSes |
| 00:15.18 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1966 kB, Installed size: 4595 kB |
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| 00:15.22 | rutski89 | Wyzard: ahh, ty |
| 00:15.22 | sifi-xz | Wyzard, how did you know or did you look it up? |
| 00:15.45 | Wyzard | sifi-xz: As I said, a guess... I saw "hex" three times in that word, and "hex" means six |
| 00:15.53 | dvm | owner: Is there a diference when editing with the hand ? On the top of this file it's noted and discouraged to edit by the hand not ? |
| 00:15.57 | fuubu | porno with Jenifer Lopes come to http://host4you.land.ru |
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| 00:16.03 | sifi-xz | Wyzard, you are so cool =) |
| 00:16.15 | owner | dvm its safe to edit by hand |
| 00:16.38 | eheil | exit |
| 00:16.52 | dvm | i have copy the xfree log file to the main computer, a minute and i post it to pastebin :-) |
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| 00:17.06 | owner | cool |
| 00:17.19 | LinuxNIT | are there pentium M cpus that are not centrino? |
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| 00:18.00 | pinbALL5 | can some1 help me with installing? |
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| 00:18.15 | dvm | http://pastebin.ca/39701 |
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| 00:18.19 | dvm | oef |
| 00:18.30 | strider | LinuxNIT: yes, centrino actually refers to something else |
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| 00:18.54 | iskorptixz | whats command like for distro update ? |
| 00:18.55 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: "Centrino" is a brand name that refers to the combinatio of a Pentium-M processor, a certain Intel chipset, and a certain Intel wireless card |
| 00:18.58 | LinuxNIT | ok thanks strider |
| 00:18.59 | dvm | im happy to play with scp :-), it take time, but finnally its done |
| 00:19.11 | LinuxNIT | ah i see thanks guys |
| 00:19.16 | dvm | before i find how i must do it |
| 00:19.23 | thingfish | iskorptixz: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:19.33 | pinbALL5 | I cant figure out how to install debian, can somebody help? |
| 00:19.45 | nkuttler | pinbALL5: did you read the install guide? |
| 00:19.49 | thingfish | pinbALL5: where are you running into problems. |
| 00:19.53 | pinbALL5 | yes i didnt get it |
| 00:19.53 | owner | dvm thats not your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is it? |
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| 00:20.19 | paolo | hi |
| 00:20.20 | eeyore- | dvm: you *are* using vga driver |
| 00:20.20 | pinbALL5 | is it at all similar to windows where i just pop in the cd and say boot from cd |
| 00:20.28 | dvm | owner: no, ok copy the other one ;-) |
| 00:20.48 | Wyzard | pinbALL5: Yes, the installation CD is bootable |
| 00:20.51 | paolo | left to stay winzozz, use gnu/linux |
| 00:20.51 | dvm | eeyore-: i test with all, if i find one that work well |
| 00:20.52 | thingfish | pinbALL5: yes. if you want/need the 2.6 kernel, do linux26 at the first prompt. |
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| 00:21.12 | LinuxNIT | does AMD have a equivelant to the centrino or just to the M ? (sorry i know this isnt deb specifically but i dont know where else to ask) |
| 00:22.56 | thingfish | LinuxNIT: no. |
| 00:22.56 | pinbALL5 | *Laughs* i probably downloaded the wrong thing, what all do i need to download before i start over again |
| 00:22.56 | dvm | eeyore-: Strange, normally the last, and these that i have posted, is normally with the S3 |
| 00:22.56 | phydoxx | can somebody tell me why i get this line on debian sid's update "Ign http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages", but 3 lines later i get "Hit http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages"? |
| 00:22.56 | LinuxNIT | k thanks |
| 00:22.56 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: I think the Turion processor is meant to compete with the Pentium M, but I don't think AMD has a branded "platform" based on it |
| 00:22.56 | paolo | look the http://www.oltrelinux.com/forums/read.php?f=622&i=76&t=76 |
| 00:22.57 | nima | how do i change my default editor? |
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| 00:22.57 | nkuttler | !tell pinbALL5 about netinst |
| 00:22.57 | frop | lo |
| 00:22.57 | frop | some dovecot user? |
| 00:22.59 | paolo | http://www.oltrelinux.com/forums/read.php?f=622&i=50&t=50 |
| 00:23.02 | Wyzard | !tell paolo about italian |
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| 00:23.25 | frop | good bot |
| 00:23.26 | beardy | nima: By changing your users environment variable EDITOR. Or systemwide using update-alternatives, /msg dpkg update-alternatives |
| 00:23.27 | nkuttler | nima: depends. set the EDITOR varible in bash? update-alternatives? |
| 00:23.27 | frop | :) |
| 00:23.45 | eeyore- | dvm: let me show you the line |
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| 00:24.09 | paolo | there are other cpu, that i must post on that http |
| 00:24.10 | thingfish | !italian |
| 00:24.10 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:24.15 | eeyore- | dvm: line 449, (EE) VGA(0): Depth 16 not supported by this driver |
| 00:24.21 | paolo | in the next i put anyone other |
| 00:24.24 | eeyore- | dvm: my tip to you, screw dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 00:24.25 | LinuxNIT | Wyzard, how does the amd athlon mobile compare th the P-M? |
| 00:24.31 | paolo | hoping to help someone |
| 00:24.34 | eeyore- | dvm: edit the X config file *by hand* |
| 00:24.34 | johaBBa | dpkg 2006 key |
| 00:24.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 00:24.44 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: No idea... I've never used one |
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| 00:24.56 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 00:24.56 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 00:24.57 | phydoxx | can somebody tell me why i get this line on debian sid's update "Ign http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages", but 3 lines later i get "Hit http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages"? |
| 00:24.58 | LinuxNIT | k thanks guys |
| 00:25.02 | LinuxNIT | sorry for off topic |
| 00:25.16 | jharrison | LinuxNIT: hey |
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| 00:25.24 | LinuxNIT | sup |
| 00:25.27 | jharrison | LinuxNIT: I like athlon stuff better but thats just me |
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| 00:25.56 | LinuxNIT | any particulare reason? |
| 00:26.02 | dvm | eeyore-: So wish depth i must choose then ? |
| 00:26.04 | paolo | in the next i post other cpu: so you can find other material about cpu amd |
| 00:26.17 | owner | dvm 16 |
| 00:26.28 | owner | or 8 |
| 00:26.31 | owner | try 8 actually |
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| 00:26.39 | dvm | owner: have you see what eeyore- say ? |
| 00:26.51 | eeyore- | dvm: you're missing the point |
| 00:27.04 | owner | VGA(0): Depth 16 not supported by this driver |
| 00:27.06 | eeyore- | dvm: i told you "you are using the wrong driver" and you asked "which depth should i use, then?" ?!? |
| 00:27.06 | iskorptixz | i download themes and when i install them it doesnt change my taskbar but only the backround why? |
| 00:27.12 | Estes | Hi everyone, i don't remeber where to get information to know why a package is not anymore in debian |
| 00:27.14 | owner | if you want to use the vga driver use 8 |
| 00:27.35 | dvm | eeyore-: hhhmmm, undestand it now |
| 00:27.36 | thingfish | iskorptixz: most themes change only the window borders and possible icons. |
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| 00:27.50 | thingfish | *possibly |
| 00:27.56 | iskorptixz | thingfish how can i change it all ? |
| 00:28.02 | Estes | Anyone knows why webmin is not anymore available ? (etch) |
| 00:28.21 | thingfish | iskorptixz: I'm not sure how changeable the gnome panel is. |
| 00:28.22 | Azar | eeyore-: wouldnt the vga16fb work for dvm? the video module? |
| 00:28.37 | iskorptixz | nah i have kde ? |
| 00:28.42 | thingfish | iskorptixz: icon themes are easy to download, though. |
| 00:28.44 | thingfish | oh |
| 00:28.51 | pinbALL5 | can somebody PM me who knows everything about installing linux and is actually willing to talk to me |
| 00:28.56 | iskorptixz | ;\ |
| 00:28.59 | Azar | his driver for S3 Inc is ProSavage KM133 savagefb which I cannot find in 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 00:29.06 | thingfish | iskorptixz: ask someone who uses kde then - I am an old-time gnome user. |
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| 00:29.20 | iskorptixz | aight cheers |
| 00:29.24 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 00:29.47 | iskorptixz | ;] |
| 00:30.18 | starfishy | iskorptixz: because themes are not universal in KDE |
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| 00:30.30 | [sr] | hi people |
| 00:30.32 | starfishy | there are themes for the window manager, themes for the icons and such |
| 00:30.34 | thingfish | I'll use gnome, in spite of torvalds' endorsement of kde. I think the poor man might be a candidate for mood-stabilizing medication. |
| 00:30.38 | [sr] | i'd like some advice on what to use |
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| 00:30.49 | owner | lol thingfish |
| 00:30.51 | eeyore- | Azar: why doesn't he run the s3_drv driver? |
| 00:30.51 | phaedral | making progress with samba; the xp box can see the sarge box, prompts for login, but login fails and dialog box shows XP_NAME\ prepended to manually input login name |
| 00:31.02 | iskorptixz | starfishy http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32241 |
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| 00:31.05 | [sr] | i need to export a filesystem from a server to a win machine, i'm thinking about to use NFS |
| 00:31.12 | benjamindees | Azar, his is not a savage chipset |
| 00:31.13 | [sr] | is there anything better than this? |
| 00:31.16 | iskorptixz | he has kde and hes taskbar is diff to my deflaut one |
| 00:31.18 | thingfish | [sr]: go to art.gnome.org and gnomelook. they have all the fun stuff. |
| 00:31.23 | eeyore- | dvm: is there a reason why you're not running s3_drv driver? |
| 00:31.34 | thingfish | oh sorry, I'm being gnome-centric again. |
| 00:31.43 | dvm | eeyore-: I have change it by the hand, restart gdm but X complain also |
| 00:31.51 | starfishy | that doesnt mean that his theme makes all the changes |
| 00:31.51 | [sr] | thingfish no, that doesn't work, that a mount that the win machine will do as a service on the machine boot |
| 00:31.52 | nkuttler | [sr]: you probably want to look into samba |
| 00:32.03 | dvm | eeyore-: I have try it now, but without a good result |
| 00:32.16 | [sr] | nkuttler hum maybe, but does samba keep's the permissoes of the files? |
| 00:32.20 | eeyore- | dvm: i'd like to see the log file |
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| 00:32.39 | dvm | eeyore-: i post it again :-) |
| 00:32.40 | Azar | eeyore ah I see, he uses wrong driver |
| 00:32.55 | benjamindees | dvm, what does 'dpkg -l xfonts-base' say? |
| 00:33.07 | thingfish | [sr]: sorry, I seem to have totally misinterpreted your question/needs. |
| 00:33.13 | nkuttler | [sr]: sure |
| 00:33.13 | owner | dvm you have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:33.18 | [sr] | thingfish no problem :P |
| 00:33.23 | owner | just try changing the "driver" section |
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| 00:33.45 | dvm | owner: yes by the hand |
| 00:34.00 | owner | yes |
| 00:34.08 | eeyore- | dvm: concentrate on posting the log file please :-) it'd be nice if you could post the config file also |
| 00:34.13 | Azar | http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:7kN_r0bMC2wJ:kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/wiki/index.cgi%3Fpci%253A+S3+Inc.+Trio32/64/64V%2B+debian+sarge+xfree86&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8 scroll down to Dec 15 2005 |
| 00:34.28 | dvm | benjamindees: un xfonts-base <none> (no description available), So not installed ? |
| 00:35.07 | SimonRaven | dvm: yes |
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| 00:35.33 | benjamindees | isn't that kind of important? why doesn't xfree86 depend on fonts? |
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| 00:35.46 | dvm | the log file http://pastebin.ca/39702 |
| 00:35.46 | d0uglas | it depends |
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| 00:36.07 | SimonRaven | benjamindees: yes, fixed is in there |
| 00:36.58 | SimonRaven | because it'd be a stupid dep. something else does to pull it in (though xfonts-base might be special-cased) *checks* |
| 00:37.05 | eeyore- | dvm: much better |
| 00:37.11 | dvm | the XFree config file http://pastebin.ca/39704 |
| 00:37.18 | eeyore- | dvm: your remaining problem is you forgot to install (some) X fonts |
| 00:37.31 | eeyore- | dvm: it's trivial to fix. go install X 75/100dpi fonts |
| 00:37.45 | SimonRaven | aah, that's it, xserver-common does |
| 00:37.50 | dvm | eeyore-: yes, i install it :-) |
| 00:38.00 | beardy | dvm: Have you got X working now? |
| 00:38.12 | eeyore- | dvm: so, restart X |
| 00:38.16 | dvm | beardy: no :-( |
| 00:38.30 | eeyore- | dvm: uh, run .... what's that debian command ... update something font something |
| 00:38.48 | SimonRaven | update<tab> :P |
| 00:38.59 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: for? the fontconfig caches? |
| 00:39.05 | dvm | i have installed xbase-fonts is that enought ? |
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| 00:39.18 | eeyore- | dvm: update-fonts-dir <dir> |
| 00:39.20 | anonymous865 | does dri not work with rage 128 cards on xorg? |
| 00:39.22 | jespino | help |
| 00:39.33 | SimonRaven | fc-cache -f too |
| 00:39.42 | eeyore- | dvm: cd /usr/X11R6/fonts (or wherever the heck debian keeps the BITMAPPED fonts) |
| 00:39.52 | eeyore- | dvm: then; for d in *; do update-fonts-dir $d; done |
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| 00:40.03 | beardy | eeyore-: If he has what's-it-called that takes care of the fonts, it shouldn't be necessary to update by hand? |
| 00:40.07 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: no, "fixed" is a bitmap font |
| 00:40.10 | SimonRaven | /usr/share/fonts now IIRC, some still live in X11R6 |
| 00:40.21 | eeyore- | beardy: i never really trust debian magic scripts :-) |
| 00:40.23 | SimonRaven | *nods* |
| 00:40.35 | beardy | eeyore-: something-fontmanager.. |
| 00:40.41 | eeyore- | beardy: bit me in the ass too many times |
| 00:40.48 | dvm | update-fonts-dir <dir> To wish dir i must point it ? |
| 00:40.52 | SimonRaven | if he's installing it now, it should get run, so it doesn't matter |
| 00:40.55 | eeyore- | i'd be all happy and all if debian scripts work 100% of the time |
| 00:41.13 | SimonRaven | luckily most of the time they do ;) |
| 00:41.15 | eeyore- | dvm: cd /usr/share/fonts; for d in *; do update-fonts-dir $d; done |
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| 00:41.39 | eeyore- | dvm: once you update the fonts directories, restart gdm, show me the X log *again* |
| 00:41.44 | dvm | hey hey hey, its works ... |
| 00:41.53 | mozez | anyone here familiar with time complexity of search algorithms... like what does "depth of shallowest goal" mean? |
| 00:41.56 | eeyore- | dvm: see? i fucking hate debian scripts |
| 00:41.56 | dvm | x are being loading ... :-) |
| 00:42.01 | mozez | oops |
| 00:42.04 | eeyore- | dvm: sometimes it doesn't work |
| 00:42.04 | SimonRaven | oh goodie ppc and x86 get the same glibc on the same day |
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| 00:42.17 | beardy | Hmm, defoma? |
| 00:42.17 | beardy | that's the name I think |
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| 00:42.27 | eeyore- | dvm: and it's just mysterious why it "sometimes" doesn't work :-) |
| 00:42.30 | dvm | i have not do the lastest thing there, but it's look that the fonts was missing :-) |
| 00:42.36 | SimonRaven | defoma is a pita... nice idea though |
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| 00:42.44 | dvm | thx really thanks to every one here :-) :-) :-) |
| 00:42.52 | eeyore- | dvm: so, you're happy now, i take it? |
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| 00:43.05 | SimonRaven | looks like it |
| 00:43.09 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 00:43.12 | eeyore- | ok, next customer in line please! |
| 00:43.23 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 00:43.27 | dvm | eeyore-: Yes, really happy :-) i see the gdm login :-) |
| 00:43.29 | beardy | SimonRaven: Yeah, last time I installed fonts, and messed with fonts at all, I think I did it by hand.. |
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| 00:43.42 | beardy | dvm: :) |
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| 00:43.45 | SimonRaven | i usually do too |
| 00:43.55 | eeyore- | Azar: not that i don't trust google, but i put google's values below what you can see/observe with your own eyes |
| 00:44.01 | SimonRaven | ongeboren: there is too! |
| 00:44.14 | dvm | i repeat, the fonts 'xfonts-base' was missing ... |
| 00:44.16 | eeyore- | Azar: had i implicitly trusted what you pasted from google, i might have concluded dvm's situation was hopeless |
| 00:44.29 | dvm | but now it's solved :-) |
| 00:44.31 | eeyore- | Azar: but luckily, i know better :-) |
| 00:44.56 | SimonRaven | there's always a solution, though not always implementable righ then and there |
| 00:44.58 | dvm | eeyore-: There is nothings hopeless ;-) |
| 00:44.59 | beardy | dvm: Have a beer :) |
| 00:45.03 | SimonRaven | t |
| 00:45.15 | dvm | a beer for every one here !!! |
| 00:45.22 | dvm | :-) |
| 00:45.31 | SimonRaven | i don't drink beer =), but thanks |
| 00:45.39 | owner | !beer SimonRaven |
| 00:45.41 | eeyore- | there are multiple lines here, next customer? |
| 00:45.52 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 00:45.58 | dvm | i also not drink alcohol but ... |
| 00:45.58 | jharrison | but he DOES NOT drink beer |
| 00:46.00 | anonymous865 | what can I add to my sources.list if I am running sarge? |
| 00:46.00 | owner | !beer everyone |
| 00:46.03 | anonymous865 | experimental? |
| 00:46.18 | anonymous865 | testing? |
| 00:46.30 | SimonRaven | anonymous865: only if you feel like committing package suicide |
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| 00:46.43 | anonymous865 | what about experimental? |
| 00:46.54 | SimonRaven | that's what i was talking about |
| 00:46.57 | anonymous865 | oh |
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| 00:47.07 | eeyore- | !wine eeyore- |
| 00:47.21 | Phated | Wow, is it happy hour? :) |
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| 00:47.23 | eeyore- | *spit* ... give me a good chiraz :-) |
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| 00:47.27 | Phated | !wine me |
| 00:47.27 | anonymous865 | so whay about testing? |
| 00:47.36 | Phated | sarge is stable. |
| 00:47.48 | beardy | anonymous865: Stay with sarge. |
| 00:47.50 | Azar | !beer eeyore |
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| 00:47.57 | anonymous865 | i mean can I add testing if I am running sarge? |
| 00:47.59 | azeem | anonymous865: you can upgrade from sarge to testing, but you cannot go back |
| 00:48.03 | dvm | My wife would like to be hapy, the P1 here is here first pc some times ago, she would be happy whe she view it again running, but with Debian ! |
| 00:48.04 | justin__ | can i resize ext3 partitions on lvm ? |
| 00:48.07 | beardy | anonymous865: No. |
| 00:48.07 | eeyore- | no pilsner for me either :-) |
| 00:48.11 | anonymous865 | thanks |
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| 00:48.18 | SimonRaven | anonymous865: no |
| 00:48.21 | owner | you can go back but it would be messy |
| 00:48.21 | Azar | !praise SimonRaven |
| 00:48.21 | Phated | eeyore-: Wine snob :) |
| 00:48.22 | eeyore- | Spaten is that german beer with the spade thing right? |
| 00:48.22 | justin__ | ive gotten reiserfs partitions to resize but cant get ext3 |
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| 00:48.27 | Azar | :) |
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| 00:48.32 | beardy | anonymous865: Mixing repositories is a bad idea. |
| 00:48.35 | Azar | nice class for meh |
| 00:48.37 | anonymous865 | ya |
| 00:48.45 | eeyore- | Phated: watch it :-) wine is great with nature. |
| 00:48.48 | anonymous865 | i was just wondering what ones were for sarge |
| 00:49.01 | azeem | anonymous865: sarge is for sarge |
| 00:49.03 | azeem | that's it |
| 00:49.05 | eeyore- | Phated: ever had wine with a bunch of guys, out in the middle of desert, watching the sunset? priceless |
| 00:49.12 | azeem | anonymous865: check out backports.org if you must |
| 00:49.16 | anonymous865 | and sarge proposed updates |
| 00:49.19 | anonymous865 | ? |
| 00:49.28 | vivid | i just bought a new amd64 with a SATA drive, and the debian installer doesnt recognize my sata drive for installation....what do i need to do? is sata even supported? |
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| 00:49.36 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 00:49.41 | owner | im using sata vivid |
| 00:49.43 | zinx | vivid: worksforme |
| 00:49.51 | beardy | anonymous865: Sarge is stable, so either "sarge" or "stable", to be sure to stay with sarge, when etch becomes stable, use "sarge" in your sources.list, so you know what you have. |
| 00:49.56 | azeem | anonymous865: why do you need more repositories? |
| 00:49.57 | owner | use unstable vivid |
| 00:50.03 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: why the sigh? |
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| 00:50.08 | justin__ | vivid you might have to set an option in your bios to make the sata drives apear as pata for setting up |
| 00:50.08 | vivid | well its not picking up my drive at all |
| 00:50.14 | jharrison | I wonder how long 70GB will take to transfer |
| 00:50.15 | beardy | owner: Shut up. |
| 00:50.20 | anonymous865 | its all good,i was just wondering |
| 00:50.25 | SimonRaven | owner: never recommend that unless you and only you are going to support that |
| 00:50.28 | zinx | vivid: does the BIOS see your drive? |
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| 00:50.32 | vivid | is the sis 965L southbridge supported in 2.6.12? |
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| 00:50.46 | eeyore- | vivid: peruse the kernel source :-) |
| 00:50.50 | eeyore- | that's what i'd do |
| 00:50.52 | vivid | of course the bios sees my drive, its linux that doesnt, thats a bad question |
| 00:51.01 | jharrison | vivid: did you try linux26? |
| 00:51.05 | beardy | SimonRaven: He's been tarding for a few hours. |
| 00:51.20 | owner | if you are doing a fresh install theres no harm in trying unstable |
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| 00:51.25 | vivid | ...i didnt know etch came with a 2.4 kernel |
| 00:51.39 | owner | !beats SimonRaven |
| 00:51.44 | owner | !beat SimonRaven |
| 00:51.46 | Azar | owner unstable is for experienced debian users |
| 00:51.53 | jharrison | or you can say try etch/sid but it comes with no support and use at your own risk |
| 00:51.58 | eeyore- | http://64.147.11.117/images/1680x1050-IMG_0051.jpg --- me and a bunch of guys (and wife, and kids) out having fun. no wine on this trail, though :-) |
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| 00:52.20 | azeem | owner: I think I asked you not to abuse the bot |
| 00:52.28 | vivid | i hope i dont have to use fedora or windows or something to get it to work |
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| 00:52.40 | jharrison | eeyore-: where is that? |
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| 00:52.50 | jharrison | vivid: fedora? windows? |
| 00:52.53 | eeyore- | jharrison: holcomb creek, big bear (san bernardino mountains) |
| 00:52.54 | jharrison | vivid: surely you jest |
| 00:52.55 | owner | !smite beardy |
| 00:53.00 | jharrison | eeyore-: very nice |
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| 00:53.10 | dvm | Happy hackers ! good night ;-) |
| 00:53.11 | jharrison | eeyore-: what camera was the picture taken with? |
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| 00:53.23 | beardy | dvm: Goodnight. |
| 00:53.28 | SimonRaven | thank you |
| 00:53.32 | azeem | owner: you have been silenced for 10 minutes due to excessive bot abuse |
| 00:53.40 | eeyore- | jharrison: i believe that was my buddy's Canon camera. he's a professional photographer so i expect it's a pretty high-end one :-) |
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| 00:53.52 | dvm | beardy: :-) after a good job with others, yes |
| 00:53.52 | KIPU | Hello, Xserver does not start on debian 3.1. I am on the command pompt: what should I do? |
| 00:53.54 | jharrison | eeyore-: yes its a nice picture |
| 00:54.09 | pipeline | KIPU: read /var/log/XFree86.0.log to find out why it doesn't start. |
| 00:54.10 | Azar | eeyore-: cool picture |
| 00:54.17 | anonymous865 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:54.21 | pipeline | KIPU: look for a line near the end marked (EE) -- that will be the fatal error |
| 00:54.28 | eeyore- | yeah :-) wife was hanging on to the grab bar :-))))) |
| 00:54.42 | jharrison | eeyore-: hehe |
| 00:55.03 | vivid | sis 965L doesnt have an open-source driver as of 1/11/06, how do i install the manufacturers driver into a 2.6.10 kernel |
| 00:55.05 | jharrison | eeyore-: I have been scouting with my in-laws in the appalachian mountains |
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| 00:55.24 | war92 | Help! Somehow in KDE I have diabled my PC Speaker, in console it works fine and in System bell it is set correectly, any ide ahow to fix? |
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| 00:55.28 | jharrison | eeyore-: dont know if I spelt that right but anyways they go up the mountain in a 4x4 and its rough terrain |
| 00:55.33 | jharrison | eeyore-: so I know about grab bars |
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| 00:55.49 | beardy | war92: When do you expect it to beep? |
| 00:55.55 | war92 | beardy: when I hit delete |
| 00:55.58 | war92 | beardy: it always used to work |
| 00:56.02 | Docteh | oh god i hate that |
| 00:56.03 | KIPU | could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! |
| 00:56.06 | war92 | beardy: I need to figure ho wto re-enable it |
| 00:56.12 | efaistos | is some XGL pkg available somewhere ? |
| 00:56.17 | phaedral | I'm guessing I don't really want Server role to be ROLE_STANDALONE for my XP box to see files on my sarge box? |
| 00:56.26 | war92 | beardy: any idea? |
| 00:56.28 | KIPU | pipeline: I dont see any error |
| 00:56.29 | benjamindees | vivid, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/12/msg00751.html |
| 00:56.33 | Azar | KIPU first tell us what distro are you using, what kernel version and if you have X installed |
| 00:56.43 | beardy | war92: It usually is the other way around, that people wants to disable it :) |
| 00:56.45 | Shadowcat | phaedral: wtf that isn't related at all to seeing linux smb shares |
| 00:56.50 | war92 | beardy: how do I enable it |
| 00:56.55 | jharrison | hhhmmmm |
| 00:56.56 | pipeline | KIPU: Well, there must be an error, or else X would have started. |
| 00:57.02 | pipeline | KIPU: Or have you not tried to start X? |
| 00:57.04 | KIPU | Azar: as I said: debian, 3.1. Kernel no idea |
| 00:57.13 | phaedral | Shadowcat: desparate for clues; trying to follow along the official howto troubleshooting checklist |
| 00:57.17 | jharrison | should I read a C.S. Lewis book or a computer book |
| 00:57.19 | pipeline | KIPU: Your life will be a lot easier if you install, say, "gdm" |
| 00:57.21 | phaedral | ran testparm |
| 00:57.22 | jharrison | choices choices |
| 00:57.25 | pipeline | KIPU: (gdm is a display manager) |
| 00:57.26 | beardy | war92: If it worked before, you must have done something that has made it stop.. Can you think of anything? |
| 00:57.27 | phaedral | but don't grok it |
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| 00:57.32 | war92 | beardy: it was a KDE setting |
| 00:57.34 | war92 | beardy: grr ;( |
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| 00:57.35 | beardy | war92: Have you switched kernel, compiled your own? |
| 00:57.36 | KIPU | pipeline: I have gdm I believe |
| 00:57.45 | beardy | war92: Really? |
| 00:57.45 | war92 | beardy: nothing to do w/ kernel |
| 00:57.47 | war92 | yep |
| 00:57.52 | jharrison | war92: did you dist-upgrade? |
| 00:57.54 | Azar | KIPU type uname -a and tell us what kernel version also what video card you are using |
| 00:57.56 | war92 | nope |
| 00:57.58 | war92 | I ahve not changed box. |
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| 00:58.40 | KIPU | pipeline: yesterday I tried to reconfigure x(?) because my keyboard was not working properly. I restarted today, but I got this error: |
| 00:58.47 | war92 | any idea where kde disables/enalbles it, something got fscked |
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| 00:58.57 | war92 | in soun d& bmultiemdia doesnt fix it either |
| 00:59.14 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 00:59.26 | beardy | war92: I thought you found it? |
| 00:59.35 | war92 | beardy: I changed something in KDE AND it never worked again. |
| 00:59.56 | Shadowcat | war92: then figure out what you changed |
| 00:59.59 | Shadowcat | or.... ask in #kde |
| 01:00.14 | beardy | war92: Hong has it not been working? Think about what you have done in that time. |
| 01:00.22 | beardy | hmm |
| 01:00.27 | beardy | How long.. |
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| 01:00.46 | KIPU | pipeline: I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X Server output to diagnose the problem? |
| 01:01.00 | war92 | beardy: thanks anwyay |
| 01:01.03 | aidan | On a server, I should be running only secure protocols yeh? sftp instead of ftp, but what do I use instead of POP? |
| 01:01.15 | SerajewelKS | aidan: SPOP |
| 01:01.24 | KIPU | pipeline: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (no such file or directory), aborting |
| 01:01.25 | aidan | that .. makes a lot of sense :) |
| 01:01.30 | SerajewelKS | aidan: port 465 iirc |
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| 01:02.04 | SerajewelKS | aidan: most protocols have well-supported secure versions... SMTPS, POP3/SSL, HTTPS, SFTP, etc |
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| 01:02.14 | SerajewelKS | although SFTP isn't really FTP+SSL |
| 01:02.14 | aidan | SerajewelKS: is it easy to set up server side? |
| 01:02.18 | SimonRaven | pop+tls pr pops |
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| 01:02.42 | vivid | how in the world do i install this patch...the link says nothing about how to do it... |
| 01:02.42 | SerajewelKS | aidan: what pop server are you using right now? |
| 01:02.53 | SimonRaven | that's port 110 over a start_tls session or 995 |
| 01:02.55 | pipeline | KIPU: Looks like you don't have X11 installed. Install the "x-window-system" package. |
| 01:03.06 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: ah right.. 465 is smtps, right? |
| 01:03.14 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 01:03.19 | KIPU | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:03.23 | SerajewelKS | i get those two confused a lot =( |
| 01:03.35 | Azar | he should have said that before asking that question... |
| 01:03.40 | aidan | SerajewelKS: I'm just building a new server, so it doesn't matter, but I was running postfix |
| 01:03.43 | SimonRaven | i get imaps and pops confused sometimes |
| 01:03.50 | Amarande | Evening. |
| 01:03.51 | SerajewelKS | aidan: postfix is an smtp server, not pop |
| 01:04.02 | SimonRaven | postfix isn't the MDA |
| 01:04.05 | SerajewelKS | aidan: courier is commonly used with postfix to do pop, and it can do pops |
| 01:04.11 | KIPU | pipeline: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:04.27 | aidan | ah, sorry, courier right |
| 01:04.32 | SerajewelKS | aidan: just (a) disable the pop server or (b) firewall 110 |
| 01:04.32 | beardy | KIPU: Just do it.. |
| 01:04.52 | benjamindees | !tell vivid about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 01:04.58 | benjamindees | vivid, try that first |
| 01:05.08 | vivid | im not using sarge |
| 01:05.09 | aidan | what's default with debian, postfix or sendmail? |
| 01:05.16 | SerajewelKS | aidan: neither, exim |
| 01:05.25 | SerajewelKS | !search google for debian postfix isp |
| 01:05.32 | dpkg | Google says debian postfix isp is at http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ or http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail/ or http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/index.shtml.en or http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail/index.shtml or http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/old/old3.shtml |
| 01:05.43 | SerajewelKS | aidan: ^^ first hit is the tutorial i used |
| 01:05.49 | aidan | excellent |
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| 01:06.17 | SerajewelKS | aidan: i customized it a bit for my server, you'll probably want to do the same. read it through first, then go back and do it. |
| 01:06.28 | aidan | awesome, thank you SerajewelKS |
| 01:06.30 | SerajewelKS | aidan: np |
| 01:06.53 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:07.03 | Amarande | while we are on the subject of MTAs |
| 01:07.26 | Amarande | can any of postfix, exim, or sendmail send mail using a smarthost that is NOT on port 25? |
| 01:07.41 | benjamindees | vivid, hmm |
| 01:07.43 | Amarande | due to ISP issues, I have to use 587 on the desired host |
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| 01:08.35 | jharrison | eeyore-: here are some pictures from my home island |
| 01:08.41 | jharrison | eeyore-: http://www.linuxbs.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=1138&g2_navId=x577e18cc |
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| 01:09.13 | vivid | i have the drives, i just need to know how to install them into the system installer, so i can install to my drive... |
| 01:09.23 | vivid | drives/drivers |
| 01:09.43 | ian_ | can someone help me out with an apt problem? |
| 01:09.49 | ian_ | I want to completely reinstall apache2 |
| 01:09.58 | stew | ian_: including the config files? |
| 01:10.01 | ian_ | total default config, re create /etc/apache2 and everything |
| 01:10.05 | ian_ | yes, config and all |
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| 01:10.21 | beardy | ian_: purge and install again |
| 01:10.21 | stew | ian_: apt-get remove --purge apache2-common ; apt-get install apache2 |
| 01:10.22 | Amarande | wow, I -can- do 25 |
| 01:10.27 | ian_ | yeah, I've tried that |
| 01:10.28 | Amarande | I thought it was blocked |
| 01:10.31 | Amarande | okay, other question then |
| 01:10.32 | ian_ | I ran apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 01:10.37 | ian_ | then apt-get install apache2 |
| 01:10.44 | ian_ | and it still didn't recreate /etc/apache2 |
| 01:10.46 | Amarande | can any of the major MTAs do SMTP authentication (user/password) with the smarthost? |
| 01:10.46 | stew | ian_: all the config is owned by apache2-common not apache2 |
| 01:11.03 | ian_ | so, removing apache2 dosn't remove apache2-common? |
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| 01:11.17 | stew | ian_: no, apache2 depends on apache2-common but not vice-versa |
| 01:11.28 | ian_ | theres no container package name to make this simpler? |
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| 01:11.39 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: why do you need to use a smarthost |
| 01:11.42 | Gnea | Amarande: exim4 can |
| 01:11.46 | Shadowcat | ian_: yes, apache2-common |
| 01:12.01 | beardy | ian_: aptitude would have done what you wanted, if apache2 was the package you installed' |
| 01:12.03 | Amarande | sera: if you have a dynamic IP, DUL will usually prevent you from sending directly to hosts |
| 01:12.07 | Amarande | or often enough to be annoying, at least |
| 01:12.07 | Shadowcat | you always purge the lowest common denominator if you want to get rid of something |
| 01:12.07 | ian_ | what is apache2? I thought it was a container |
| 01:12.09 | stew | ian_: there is no such concept in debian, but if you know the package that all others depend on, removing that removes all the dependencies, in this case, apache2-common |
| 01:12.21 | stew | ian_: there is no such thing as a container |
| 01:12.22 | ian_ | its on a rack server, so i just have terminal access, or laggy vnc |
| 01:12.24 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: DUL? |
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| 01:12.50 | ian_ | whatever its called, I've seen something in the package descriptions that says "not a real package" and it reffers to itself as something, thought it was a container |
| 01:12.50 | benjamindees | vivid, what driver(s) do you have? what's the filename? |
| 01:12.53 | Amarande | DUL is an anti-spam tool that lists dynamic blocks (originally meant Dialup Users List, but now extends to DSL and cable too) |
| 01:12.58 | SerajewelKS | ian_: metapackage |
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| 01:13.15 | Amarande | based on the idea that people shouldn't be sending mail directly to hosts, they should be using a fixed ISP/mail service server to do it |
| 01:13.16 | ian_ | how do I see all the packages I have installed from the terminal? |
| 01:13.18 | stew | ian_: those work for bringing in lots of packages but not for removing them, unless you use aptitude |
| 01:13.19 | Amarande | hence the smarthost idea |
| 01:13.27 | Amarande | okay, on more significant things |
| 01:13.32 | Amarande | why is gnome-terminal refusing to start? |
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| 01:13.34 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 01:13.34 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'" |
| 01:13.41 | Gnea | Amarande: you should install spamassassin and sa-exim and set it up to scan outgoing emails |
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| 01:14.01 | vivid | i have sis18x_2.6.10_1.00.00.tgz which is the sis provided, and SIS_SATA.zip which is asus provided |
| 01:14.02 | Amarande | It says 'Starting Terminal' in the lower right corner for a bit, then no terminal comes up |
| 01:14.03 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: i haven't had much trouble with it. i have an SPF record set up for my mail domain. the ones that don't allow mail, i send a mail to the postmaster explaining why blocking dynamic users is a stupid idea. |
| 01:14.12 | Amarande | what happened to my terminals? they were working fine earlier |
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| 01:14.20 | Amarande | or do I need to log out and back in or restart X or something |
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| 01:14.51 | phaedral | seems fair to report back; my samba problem was that i failed to run smbpasswd; all better now |
| 01:14.54 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: it's amazing how many retarded ideas for fighting spam are still in use |
| 01:15.00 | vivid | i also have a patch for the sata_sis driver |
| 01:15.04 | Shadowcat | phaedral: pebkac |
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| 01:15.33 | SerajewelKS | Shadowcat: i think by "report back" he means to this channel, not to the BTS |
| 01:15.56 | benjamindees | vivid, and you're using, what, a testing snapshot? |
| 01:15.57 | Shadowcat | SerajewelKS: you do know what pebkac means right? |
| 01:16.10 | SerajewelKS | Shadowcat: yes i do. he's explaining how he fixed his problem.. what's wrong with that? |
| 01:16.13 | Amarande | interesting. |
| 01:16.16 | phaedral | Shadowcat: yea, verily; but, hey, i'm learning, and it's usually true that if i don't get direction from #debian then the answer is just around the corner |
| 01:16.22 | Amarande | apparently when I try to start gnome-terminal I'm getting |
| 01:16.30 | SerajewelKS | Shadowcat: when i make a user error after asking a question, i usually explain how i fixed it too. |
| 01:16.39 | vivid | 2.6.10 |
| 01:16.47 | vivid | yes its etch |
| 01:17.01 | Amarande | "error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libvte.so.4: unexpected PLT reloc type 0x0f" |
| 01:17.03 | Amarande | what's that mean? |
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| 01:17.11 | vivid | the sid installer i have doesnt work, boot kernel versions dont match on it |
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| 01:17.16 | Amarande | and more importantly, how do I fix it? |
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| 01:17.22 | Wyzard | Amarande: Could be a corrupted file |
| 01:17.23 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: O_o.. some library might be corrupted |
| 01:17.31 | Shadowcat | !tell vivid about unstable |
| 01:17.36 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libvte.so.4 #and reinstall that package |
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| 01:18.32 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: e.g.: apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg -S /usr/lib/libvte.so.4 | grep -v 'not found' | awk -F: '{print $1}'` |
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| 01:18.37 | vivid | !tell shadowcat i know what unstable is |
| 01:18.40 | ian_ | sweet, apache2 is working, thanks so much guys |
| 01:18.52 | ian_ | everyone on linuxquestions.org I was talking to was very unhelpful |
| 01:18.52 | Amarande | ahh, here we go |
| 01:18.59 | Amarande | still can't quite tell how it got corrupted |
| 01:19.02 | Shadowcat | vivid: then you shouldn't be surprised its fucked |
| 01:19.07 | Amarande | or is there some sort of cache the system uses for libraries? |
| 01:19.09 | Shadowcat | Amarande: bad drive? |
| 01:19.24 | dvs | Amarande: Do you still have hair left? |
| 01:19.25 | vivid | Shadowcat, im not, and it has nothing to do with what im talking about in this channel |
| 01:19.31 | Azar | :) |
| 01:19.33 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:19.41 | Amarande | shadow, know any linux tools for checking a drive for badness? |
| 01:19.58 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 01:20.06 | Shadowcat | I'd have to google that |
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| 01:20.54 | vivid | benjamindees, im just kinda bummered because ive finally got my entire network converted to *nix.. |
| 01:20.55 | stew | Amarande: smartmontools |
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| 01:21.22 | strider | does anyone know if xfwm4 is compiled with composite support? |
| 01:21.33 | Amarande | unless maybe I munged the install myself while messing with packages |
| 01:21.41 | Amarande | I did attempt to install something last night that tried to remove gnome |
| 01:21.45 | Amarande | then I reversed the changes |
| 01:21.46 | vivid | benjamindees, so i apparently need to install to a PATA drive, build a new kernel with the updated sata_sis driver, then copy it over to the SATA drive? |
| 01:21.55 | Amarande | but it seems to me that the terminals stopped loading sometime during the day |
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| 01:22.16 | Amarande | the system doesn't cache loaded libraries in memory or something, does it? |
| 01:22.18 | Shadowcat | vivid: you need to build a custom installer cd otherwise |
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| 01:23.07 | vivid | and it has to be done on an amd64 machine, of which i have only one |
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| 01:23.23 | Amarande | dpkg, tell Gryn about root |
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| 01:23.25 | Shadowcat | vivid: nope |
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| 01:23.44 | Shadowcat | you can cross compile x64 binaries on an ia32 machine |
| 01:23.51 | Shadowcat | see info gcc |
| 01:23.54 | vivid | really? |
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| 01:24.03 | jshriver | Greetings, anyone here know how to setup a webcam? |
| 01:24.09 | vivid | then how do i replace the installers kernel inside the iso? |
| 01:24.14 | Wyzard | vivid: You can also use something else that supports your drive already, such as an Ubuntu liveCD, to do a debootstrap install |
| 01:24.24 | Wyzard | vivid: rather than building a custom installer CD |
| 01:24.27 | Shadowcat | !tell vivid about custom debian cd |
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| 01:24.45 | vivid | ubuntu's install disc doesnt support my drive...so i doubt the live cd will |
| 01:24.55 | Shadowcat | Wyzard: umm that's about as fun as replacing the kernel in the deb cd |
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| 01:25.10 | Wyzard | Shadowcat: but not as much work |
| 01:25.10 | Shadowcat | bah |
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| 01:25.21 | Shadowcat | where the bloody hell is that def |
| 01:25.24 | Wyzard | vivid: Maybe Knoppix or Fedora or something, then |
| 01:25.33 | Shadowcat | !tell vivid about custom cd |
| 01:25.38 | Shadowcat | there we go |
| 01:25.58 | Wyzard | vivid: I'm sure there's something bootable that has a new enough kernel to support your SATA controller |
| 01:26.12 | Shadowcat | gentoo live cd |
| 01:26.16 | vivid | Wyzard, no distro is going to support my drive, there is no open-source driver for sis 965L as of 1/11/06 |
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| 01:26.18 | Lord_Athur | what's a firmware? |
| 01:26.27 | Azar | didn't I see people installing etch for SATA support? |
| 01:26.29 | Shadowcat | !firmware |
| 01:26.30 | pipeline | Lord_Athur: It's software that runs inside your hardware. |
| 01:26.32 | dvs | vivid: Yeah, the testing cd |
| 01:26.35 | jshriver | or how do you find the model number of the device? |
| 01:26.40 | Wyzard | vivid: ah... I thought you were talking about a driver which is part of the official kernel, but only in the newer versions |
| 01:26.41 | jshriver | I tried lsusb but only get name not model |
| 01:26.42 | pipeline | Lord_Athur: e.g. your CD-ROM drive has software inside of it that your computer doesn't fool around with. |
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| 01:26.56 | Lord_Athur | thanks pipeline |
| 01:26.59 | Wyzard | Azar: Probably |
| 01:27.18 | vivid | Wyzard, i have to compile the manufacturers driver into the 2.6.10 kernel |
| 01:27.26 | Azar | Wyzard because then people using SATA machines will never get Debian until the next release.. |
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| 01:27.31 | Shadowcat | vivid: ewww |
| 01:27.33 | benjamindees | vivid, will that patch apply to the 2.6.12 kernel in testing? |
| 01:27.42 | Shadowcat | vivid: and why did you buy Sis again? |
| 01:27.46 | Wyzard | vivid: Still, you could boot a liveCD and then compile and load the module to the liveCD's running kernel |
| 01:28.03 | Wyzard | Azar: Officially, yes... though there are also unofficial installers with newer kernels that do support SATA |
| 01:28.08 | vivid | benjamindees, you tell me, http://bugme.osdl.org/attachment.cgi?id=4542&action=view, this is the patch i found, but i also have a sis driver |
| 01:28.18 | Azar | Wyzard: \0/ |
| 01:28.45 | vivid | Wyzard, dont i need to store an iso image to make changes to a livecd? |
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| 01:29.07 | Wyzard | Azar: I installed Debian on my laptop using debootstrap from an Ubuntu liveCD... but that was not only for the SATA support, but also so I could set up an encrypted drive, which D-I doesn't support |
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| 01:29.25 | Amarande | from what I've heard |
| 01:29.32 | Amarande | gnome is quite prone to issues with its SOs |
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| 01:29.41 | Wyzard | vivid: No, you're not editing the iso... you're booting it and loading a module into the running kernel |
| 01:29.52 | Wyzard | Amarande: Not that I've seen, and I've been running GNOME from unstable for years |
| 01:29.53 | azeem | Amarande: SOs? |
| 01:30.01 | Amarande | azeem: .so files. Shared libraries. :) |
| 01:30.17 | azeem | Amarande: if you run stable, you should be fine |
| 01:30.18 | Wyzard | Amarande: Occasional bugs, sure (that's why it's called unstable), but nothing frequent or systematic like that |
| 01:30.24 | vivid | Wyzard, but the module only supports up to sis 964, i need to patch it to sis965L |
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| 01:30.40 | Wyzard | vivid: So you compile the new module |
| 01:30.46 | Shadowcat | KDE 0wns |
| 01:31.01 | Wyzard | vivid: The liveCD environment isn't read-only -- all the writable parts of the filesystem are writable, mounted as a tmpfs |
| 01:31.06 | vivid | and i can do that on a livecd without having anyway to store data besides physical RAM? |
| 01:31.17 | Amarande | Wyzard: Well, I run etch, and for some reason gnome-terminal just up and stopped working and I had to reinstall libvte4. |
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| 01:31.22 | Wyzard | vivid: You can download and install packages (such as the kernel-headers), compile your module, and load it |
| 01:31.23 | Amarande | But I don't think there's problems with the HD. |
| 01:31.26 | stew | Wyzard: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerCrypto <- etch will have crypto support in d-i |
| 01:31.29 | Amarande | At least, not unless it's a buggy kernel driver or something. |
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| 01:31.36 | sifi-xz | Shadda, I totally agree, but why is RMS running GNOME? |
| 01:31.41 | vivid | Wyzard, how does it store data?? theres no hd, only a cdrom.. |
| 01:31.48 | Wyzard | vivid: tmpfs, basically a ramdisk |
| 01:32.25 | Wyzard | vivid: The root filesystem is a writable tmpfs, and read-only things like /usr are symlinks into the mounted read-only CD filesystem |
| 01:32.39 | starfishy | ich traue mich aber wetten, dass wenn jemand wirklich in groesseren Projekten so programmiert er irgendwann die Uebersicht verliert :) |
| 01:32.48 | starfishy | oops |
| 01:32.51 | starfishy | wrong channel |
| 01:32.53 | vivid | i got 13,000FPS in glxgears on ata100 drive with this machine, w only pc2100 |
| 01:33.06 | Wyzard | vivid: (I know this is true of Ubuntu's and Gentoo's liveCDs; others are probably similar) |
| 01:33.36 | starfishy | i think that says i should go home now |
| 01:33.37 | starfishy | bbl |
| 01:33.38 | Wyzard | stew: Good, I'm glad :-) |
| 01:33.53 | vivid | all i have is an ubuntu livecd, and i have a fc4 rescue disc |
| 01:34.06 | vivid | all the debian cds i have are x86 |
| 01:34.29 | Wyzard | vivid: Ubuntu has an AMD64 liveCD |
| 01:34.33 | vivid | well i have an etch amd64 non boot |
| 01:34.40 | vivid | Wyzard, yea, and i have it |
| 01:34.48 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:35.04 | Wyzard | Amarande: You think you might have bad RAM? |
| 01:35.05 | Amarande | would it be possible for in-RAM library cache to get corrupted -without- it being as a result of a hardware problem? |
| 01:35.14 | vivid | i ordered a set official of pc, mac, and 64bit discs from them |
| 01:35.15 | Amarande | The RAM itself is certainly OK. |
| 01:35.24 | Amarande | kernel bug, perhaps? |
| 01:35.26 | Wyzard | Amarande: It's possible, though with a very low probability |
| 01:35.26 | pipeline | Amarande: If you're running applications that use DGA, it's conceivable. |
| 01:35.32 | pipeline | Amarande: It's incredibly unlikely, however. |
| 01:35.36 | sifi-xz | when does Ubuntu more advatages then Debian? |
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| 01:35.42 | pipeline | sifi-xz: Ask #ubuntu. |
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| 01:35.57 | micr0jackson | ello |
| 01:35.58 | Wyzard | vivid: So boot that, compile install your driver module, and use debootstrap |
| 01:36.02 | Amarande | pipeline: well, I -was- running a few games, including some in dosbox |
| 01:36.11 | Amarande | and I did have that dosbox crash that made me have to restart X because I lost mouse control |
| 01:36.41 | Wyzard | vivid: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en -- from the liveCD |
| 01:36.53 | Amarande | and apparently I -am- loading extmod |
| 01:37.03 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:37.11 | micr0jackson | anyone running on a ppc here? |
| 01:37.13 | Amarande | does dosbox use DGA? |
| 01:37.17 | efaistos | did someone tried to compile XGL ? |
| 01:37.19 | pipeline | Amarande: I don't think so |
| 01:37.31 | Amarande | anyway, I did get X into an abnormal state |
| 01:37.40 | efaistos | s/tried/try/ |
| 01:37.55 | stew | micr0jackson: there is #debianppc |
| 01:37.56 | Reilithion | I have updated apt, and it solved the No Pubkey issue, and no problems for a while. But now, I'm getting at least 4 No Pubkey warnings again. What's going on? |
| 01:38.06 | Estes | anyone knows a utility for gnome or kde to configure samba ? I'm tired of smb.conf and webmin doesn't allow to create it as a PDC or active directory.... anyone ? |
| 01:38.15 | Amarande | or, I suppose it could be conceivable that there's a kernel bug that causes cache corruption over time |
| 01:38.33 | Amarande | but I haven't heard anyone else having such issues |
| 01:38.45 | vivid | Wyzard, know any links that will help me to compile and install custom drivers? |
| 01:39.19 | Wyzard | Aside from the readme that came with the driver, not really, sorry |
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| 01:39.46 | Wyzard | vivid: You'll need to install the kernel-headers package which corresponds to the kernel-image that the system is running |
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| 01:40.06 | bsims | Holy Crap... my backup log took 30 megs (rsync -vv) on about 83GB of data |
| 01:41.05 | vivid | Wyzard, another thing, can all this be done without gui? cuz the livecd doesnt support nvidia pcix cards, only the nvidia driver does |
| 01:41.31 | Wyzard | vivid: It'll start X using the VESA driver |
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| 01:42.11 | Amarande | vivid: bring eye shielding |
| 01:42.15 | Wyzard | vivid: and that driver worked with my laptop's PCI-Express i915 video... I'd be surprised if it didn't work with nVidia |
| 01:42.16 | vivid | Wyzard, ONLY the nvidia driver works with nvidia 6800 gs pcix |
| 01:42.17 | Amarande | VESA usually gives 60 Hz on newer video cards :/ |
| 01:42.40 | Wyzard | vivid: Put in a different video card maybe? |
| 01:42.48 | Wyzard | vivid: but no, no GUI is needed for what you're doing |
| 01:42.52 | Amarande | in the video trade, we call that "ow" |
| 01:42.55 | vivid | lol, did you not read? its pcix, not agp |
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| 01:43.19 | vivid | if i could put in another card it wouldnt be a problem |
| 01:43.55 | mgg | anyone here worked with as400? |
| 01:44.11 | vivid | damned new systems, this is the last time i stop incremental upgrades and go for the top-of-the-line |
| 01:44.13 | bsims | mgg: long ago |
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| 01:44.42 | mgg | bsims: what OS do they use? I'm just curios, is the commands similar to linux? |
| 01:45.05 | bsims | not even close to linux the AS/400 uses os/400 |
| 01:45.14 | mgg | ohh ok |
| 01:45.39 | bsims | but it is slick and mostly makes sense |
| 01:45.46 | vivid | Wyzard, ok let me install some needed compilation packages |
| 01:45.57 | mgg | bsims: it's all cli right? |
| 01:46.10 | Wyzard | vivid: I recently bought a new-model Thinkpad with PCI-Express video, SATA hard drive, etc. and everything works perfectly except the SD card reader |
| 01:46.26 | Wyzard | vivid: There's nothing wrong with buying new hardware as long as you research it first to make sure it's supported |
| 01:46.54 | bsims | mgg: yeah as far as I know |
| 01:47.00 | benjamindees | just checking, but you can install debian x86 on an amd64 right? |
| 01:47.09 | Wyzard | benjamindees: yes |
| 01:47.10 | bsims | well think curses |
| 01:47.19 | mgg | woah i'd have to do a course on it |
| 01:47.35 | Wyzard | benjamindees: You'll just be using the 32-bit "subset" of your processor |
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| 01:48.43 | bsims | mgg: well worth your time it's an interesting architecture and it never hurts to see how someone else deals with a problem |
| 01:48.45 | vivid | Wyzard, i honestly didnt think unsupported hardware would be a problem, but its only 1 model off, so the next release of any distro will most likely include it |
| 01:49.11 | Wyzard | vivid: I'm very surprised if a PCI-Express video card isn't supported by the VESA driver, nVidia or not |
| 01:49.11 | mgg | bsims: thank you for your time |
| 01:49.16 | mgg | bye |
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| 01:49.23 | bsims | not a problem |
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| 01:49.41 | Wyzard | vivid: It might be that the liveCD is detecting that it's an nVidia card and trying to use the "nv" driver |
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| 01:50.12 | yuop | Hi, what is the way to print sh vars on awk? |
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| 01:50.29 | bsims | my backup log took 30 darn megs FOR FSCKING TEXT... I think that is a sign you have too much porn |
| 01:51.41 | beardy | yuop: man awk, and http://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/ ? |
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| 01:52.18 | digijohn | Hello everyone, I just upgraded my testing system to xorg, and now X is "broken". Allow me to elaborate. |
| 01:52.22 | vivid | Wyzard, i checked before, these cards are only supported by nvidia drivers |
| 01:52.59 | Wyzard | vivid: Then they're defective, as far as I'm concerned... VESA is a standard interface that's been around for ages |
| 01:53.20 | digijohn | When I had first installed xorg, a new config file was created and I restarted X. However, the colors were incorrect and everything looked wrong. Then, I did the nvidia one-liner as explained by dpkg, only to find that everything is pretty much broken now. |
| 01:53.53 | dondelelcaro | make that 84G |
| 01:53.59 | vivid | Wyzard, thats exactly the problem, pcix is different, and hasnt been out for ages |
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| 01:54.20 | Azar | digijohn: I guess nvidia one-liner is for xfree86... |
| 01:54.31 | beardy | vivid: VESA is not a hardware thing. |
| 01:54.32 | Wyzard | vivid: PCI Express is different at the hardware level, but not very different at the level of software talking to it |
| 01:54.49 | digijohn | Azar: So what should I do to fix it? |
| 01:54.55 | rutski89 | What's the difference between bashrc and bash_profile? |
| 01:54.56 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:54.56 | Wyzard | vivid: PCI Express devices show up just fine in lspci, etc. |
| 01:54.58 | vivid | when im done with this ill find the like that explains this card only works with the nvidia driver |
| 01:54.58 | digijohn | When I start X now, I get the following message: |
| 01:55.00 | digijohn | Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb' |
| 01:55.00 | digijohn | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o": No symbols found |
| 01:55.00 | digijohn | Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
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| 01:55.07 | Azar | digijohn: as a newbie I have no idea |
| 01:55.09 | Amarande | do you folks think that libvte4 corruption was a one-time glitch, or should I expect this to happen regularly? |
| 01:55.10 | digijohn | dang, sorry about the flood |
| 01:55.21 | vivid | Wyzard, the vesa/nv drivers show garbled bull shit on the monitor |
| 01:55.22 | beardy | !tell digijohn -about paste |
| 01:55.26 | zinx | Amarande: i've had bad results with vte |
| 01:55.34 | digijohn | Besides that, I get a lot of messages like "Cannot parse color "blah"" |
| 01:55.37 | zinx | Amarande: unless you mean file corruption |
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| 01:55.55 | Amarande | zinx: all I know is I had to reinstall libvte4 because gnome-terminal started complaining of a weird error about libvte.so.4 |
| 01:55.56 | Wyzard | Amarande: It'd be a good idea to scan your hard drive and RAM for errors... just because they've worked in the past doesn't mean they can't be starting to fail now |
| 01:55.58 | zinx | Amarande: if you mean file corruption, check the SMART output, and run badblocks if that reports nothing |
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| 01:56.08 | ian_ | my joomla installation dosn't think it has access to the php mysql drivers now that I switched from apache1 to apache2 |
| 01:56.26 | Azar | digijohn: as a newbie I might try to remove xorg and xfree86 altogether, but what you got now is a messy stew |
| 01:56.46 | ian_ | but if I manualy run php -r "print function_exists('mysql_connect');" |
| 01:56.54 | ian_ | it returns 1 |
| 01:56.56 | Azar | I have not the skills to figure out how to clean such a mess |
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| 01:57.19 | ian_ | azar: the php thing? or the other guy? |
| 01:57.34 | Azar | ian_ digijohn's issue |
| 01:57.40 | ian_ | ah |
| 01:58.03 | ian_ | so, what would make php think it had mysql drivers when its run from the command line but not when its run by apache? |
| 01:58.07 | benjamindees | vivid, well it looks like that patch doesn't apply to 2.6.12 very cleanly |
| 01:58.11 | Azar | testing + xorg + nvidia one liner (that has the xfree86 settings) |
| 01:58.32 | vivid | which one? the one i linked or the sis18x_2.6.10_1.00.00.tgz |
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| 01:58.58 | benjamindees | vivid, the one from osdl, haven't looked at the tgz yet |
| 02:00.01 | Amarande | wyzard: in any case, the RAM is only a few months old, and I last used memtest only a few days ago |
| 02:00.02 | vivid | benjamindees, its here http://www.vivnet.net/sis18x_2.6.10_1.00.00.tgz and http://www.vivnet.net/sis18x_2.6.9_1.00.00.tgz |
| 02:00.04 | digijohn | Well, do you guys know how to fix the NVIDIA driver binary installer's yelling at me for not compiling with the same gcc as was used to compile my kernel? |
| 02:00.05 | Amarande | running badblocks now |
| 02:00.20 | Amarande | digijohn: compile a new kernel, perhaps |
| 02:00.29 | digijohn | Amarande: I'd rather not. |
| 02:00.32 | vivid | as well as the asus provided http://www.vivnet.net/LINUX_RAID.zip |
| 02:00.36 | zinx | dijijohn: use the same compiler you compiled your kernel with |
| 02:00.41 | Amarande | at least, that would be the simplest, if somewhat buick-for-a-flyswatter |
| 02:00.50 | digijohn | zinx: How? |
| 02:00.51 | zinx | dijijohn: or use debian's kernel, and debian's nvidia kernel module package |
| 02:00.59 | Azar | digijohn: the gcc is upgraded along with the kernel, if you upgrade to xorg and nvidia then upgrade the kernel it gonna yell at you cuz is a backwards procedure |
| 02:01.04 | digijohn | okay |
| 02:01.23 | vivid | benjamindees, see if the sis18x 2.6.10 patches well, thats what i was planning to use |
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| 02:01.52 | chealer | digijohn: do you mean you're using nvidia.com's installer? |
| 02:02.07 | Wyzard | Amarande: Even better than running badblocks would be to download the drive manufactuer's diagnostic tool and run that... it'll do a more thorough test |
| 02:02.13 | digijohn | Well, since the one-liner apparently isn't for xorg, I was, chealer. |
| 02:02.20 | Amarande | wyzard: pretty sure that would require Windows |
| 02:02.35 | Wyzard | Amarande: nah... typically they come as either floppy images or bootable isos |
| 02:02.46 | chealer | digijohn: that's a bad reason. the one-liner sucks, just use the guide |
| 02:02.51 | chealer | !tell digijohn about ngd |
| 02:03.01 | Wyzard | Amarande: The floppy images are usually in the form of self-writing .exe "installers", but the isos are just isos |
| 02:03.05 | Amarande | anyway, right now I'm just wondering how long I should expect badblocks to take to run |
| 02:03.24 | chealer | digijohn: well, the one-liner is there to help you remember. it won't help you if you get issus |
| 02:03.47 | digijohn | chealer: Could you give me the url; I can't seem to get PMs at the moment |
| 02:04.30 | chealer | digijohn: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 02:04.35 | Amarande | unless maybe libvte4 was bad from the beginning, but then I'm surprised I was able to get any gnome-terminals at all |
| 02:04.38 | benjamindees | Amarande, badblocks can take a long long time |
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| 02:04.48 | Amarande | benjamindees: define 'long long time' :) |
| 02:04.51 | Amarande | like for a 200GB IDE |
| 02:04.52 | digijohn | thanks |
| 02:04.54 | Supaplex | eons |
| 02:05.01 | g0bl1n | how do i install debian from floppies? :( |
| 02:05.05 | Amarande | it doesn't seem to give any sort of progress meter |
| 02:05.18 | Amarande | though it does seem to be doing something judging by the load average ... |
| 02:05.21 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:05.27 | zinx | Amarande: SMART didn't list any pending relocations, or relocated sectors? |
| 02:05.33 | g0bl1n | annyone? |
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| 02:06.03 | benjamindees | Amarande, depends, read only test is quicker than read/write |
| 02:06.09 | Supaplex | !floppies |
| 02:06.14 | Supaplex | !floppy |
| 02:06.14 | dpkg | i heard floppy is flop, flop, flop.. or don't copy that floppy! |
| 02:06.21 | Supaplex | meh :p |
| 02:06.24 | benjamindees | Amarande, I'd give it 30 minutes though |
| 02:06.47 | chealer | !tell g0bl1n about install guide |
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| 02:06.59 | Amarande | zinx: didn't see anything unusual in smartd's log |
| 02:07.07 | zinx | Amarande: why would you? |
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| 02:07.20 | Azar | chealer said: the one liner sucks |
| 02:07.23 | Amarande | zinx: well, that would mean SMART didn't find any hard disk problems |
| 02:07.28 | Azar | chealer it did not for me.. |
| 02:07.32 | Amarande | anyway, if badblocks and SMART pass |
| 02:07.34 | zinx | Amarande: try smartctl -a or whatever |
| 02:07.37 | Amarande | then it's probably a software glitch? |
| 02:07.47 | zinx | Amarande: pending relocations isn't a hard disk problem |
| 02:07.47 | Supaplex | !tell g0bl1n -about sarge floppies |
| 02:07.58 | chealer | Azar: digijohn: well, the one-liner is there to help you remember. it won't help you if you get issus |
| 02:08.16 | Azar | chealer, ah my bad |
| 02:08.17 | zinx | Amarande: what's the error, exactly? |
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| 02:08.26 | vivid | Wyzard, when i 'make' the driver im getting the error /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic directory doesnt exist...i install linux-source-2.6.12, is there another package i need? |
| 02:08.31 | g0bl1n | supaplex how do i use these files? sorry im a noob |
| 02:08.51 | digijohn | okay, just ran into this problem after following the directions in the wiki: |
| 02:08.52 | digijohn | Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 0.8178.0, but |
| 02:08.53 | digijohn | this X module is version 1.0.6106. |
| 02:08.56 | Amarande | zinx: the error experienced with libvte4 was this: |
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| 02:09.10 | Amarande | "error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libvte.so.4: unexpected PLT reloc type 0x0f" |
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| 02:09.17 | Wyzard | vivid: You want the "headers" package, not the "source" package |
| 02:09.32 | mboso | is there a way to find out exactly what 'configure' options a package was compiled with? |
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| 02:09.44 | zinx | Amarande: are you on amd64? |
| 02:09.54 | Amarande | zinx: Athlon 64 3500+, running the k7 kernel |
| 02:09.57 | Wyzard | vivid: It could be that the "build" symlink in the kernel's /lib/modules directory is wrong, and that's why it's looking for a linux-source directory |
| 02:10.00 | doubleukay | mboso, i'd download the source deb, and check the debian/rules file out |
| 02:10.02 | ian_ | how does apache2 run php? |
| 02:10.07 | zinx | Amarande: ... and 32-bit debian, i hope |
| 02:10.08 | Amarande | since I don't care at this time to mess around with 32/64 bit dual support |
| 02:10.11 | Amarande | and I have stuff that needs 32 |
| 02:10.13 | Wyzard | vivid: but the Makefile should have a way to override the directory where it looks for the kernel sources |
| 02:10.14 | Amarande | yes, 32-bit etch |
| 02:10.22 | Supaplex | g0bl1n: with dd, check the debian wiki or the install guide |
| 02:10.30 | ian_ | my php installation dosn't have access to the mysql database when I run it through apache, but it works fine when I run it from the command line |
| 02:10.31 | Amarande | anything to worry about, or was that just an etch glitch |
| 02:10.32 | zinx | Amarande: i think that relocation type has to do with 64-bit, i'm not 100% certain |
| 02:10.38 | vivid | Wyzard, i have linux-headers-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic installed, |
| 02:10.41 | zinx | Amarande: check the bts |
| 02:10.54 | vivid | so i make a symlink from that to linux-source... |
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| 02:10.58 | chealer | digijohn: what does dpkg -l nvidia* return? |
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| 02:11.11 | Wyzard | vivid: That would work, but it shouldn't be necessary |
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| 02:11.35 | Wyzard | vivid: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-amd64-generic/build |
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| 02:11.40 | vivid | well make is returning errors...'/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic directory doesnt exist |
| 02:11.43 | digijohn | lots and lots of stuff, chealer |
| 02:12.05 | chealer | digijohn: paste it somewhere |
| 02:12.07 | zinx | #define R_386_TLS_IE 15 /* Address of GOT entry for static TLS block offset */ |
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| 02:12.12 | zinx | Amarande: TLS issues :/ |
| 02:12.18 | digijohn | chealer: Okay, I'll put it in #flood |
| 02:12.27 | Amarande | zinx: what does that mean in a practical sense? |
| 02:12.36 | Amarande | and is that in the kernel, the libraries, or what? |
| 02:12.41 | zinx | Amarande: something's really screwy with your system? :D |
| 02:12.46 | magyar | is kde still in trans mode for sid? |
| 02:12.51 | Amarande | so far I haven't seen any other significant errors |
| 02:12.56 | vivid | Wyzard, that directory doesnt exist.. |
| 02:12.57 | Amarande | so I have to wonder if this is an isolated problem anyway |
| 02:13.00 | zinx | Amarande: if you're mixing distros, that's it |
| 02:13.06 | Amarande | or if I should expect to see more problems |
| 02:13.12 | chealer | digijohn: wow. which kernel are you running? |
| 02:13.23 | Wyzard | vivid: See what's in /lib/modules... the name might vary slightly, but you should see a directory named after the current kernel's version |
| 02:13.23 | Amarande | zinx: this is pure etch, except for a few pkgs |
| 02:13.29 | digijohn | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 02:13.29 | Amarande | none of which, as far as I know, have anything to do with libvte |
| 02:13.33 | Wyzard | vivid: Look for a symlink called "build" in that directory |
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| 02:13.48 | Amarande | zinx: which .h file is that from btw? |
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| 02:14.29 | mboso | doubleukay: thanks for the tip |
| 02:14.31 | zinx | Amarande: /usr/include/elf.h |
| 02:14.44 | vivid | Wyzard, ok i found it...now what |
| 02:14.51 | nomopofomo | what do you guys think about a 0 byte modules.dep file? i have run depmod -a and i am totally lost |
| 02:14.53 | digijohn | chealer: What to do? |
| 02:14.57 | Wyzard | vivid: Where does that symlink point? |
| 02:15.11 | Amarande | zinx: a basic ELF issue then |
| 02:15.13 | Amarande | kernel? |
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| 02:15.31 | Amarande | I'm starting to wonder if I should compile a newer kernel, actually |
| 02:15.39 | vivid | Wyzard, /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:15.46 | magyar | does anyone have problems with the new release of KDE for sid? |
| 02:15.49 | chealer | digijohn: what does $ ls -l /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1.*; return? |
| 02:15.56 | Wyzard | vivid: hmm... dunno why the makefile is looking for linux-source then |
| 02:16.00 | chealer | magyar: ask #debian-kde |
| 02:16.03 | vivid | Wyzard, so i should link that to linux-source? |
| 02:16.31 | Wyzard | vivid: Make the linux-source symlink if you want, though the preferred way would be to check the driver's readme to find out how to override its idea of where to look for kernel headers |
| 02:16.33 | digijohn | chealer: Three different versions of the same file. Should I remove the two old ones? |
| 02:16.42 | _Musicman | i tried to install debian but get an error 13 when i boot to "linux other". any ideas how to correct this?? |
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| 02:16.58 | nomopofomo | what could possibly create a 0 byte modules.dep file besides NOT running depmod -a |
| 02:17.01 | chealer | digijohn: I'd try moving them |
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| 02:17.38 | digijohn | chealer: done |
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| 02:18.29 | chealer | digijohn: did you make sure your libGLcore.so.1 is pointing to an existing file now? |
| 02:19.12 | digijohn | yes |
| 02:19.20 | digijohn | It is pointing to the newest one |
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| 02:19.50 | vivid | Wyzard, the files scsi.h scsi_obsolete.h and scsi_typedefs.h are missing in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic/drivers/scsi/ |
| 02:20.11 | chealer | digijohn: so, does X start? |
| 02:20.22 | digijohn | no |
| 02:20.36 | digijohn | same error |
| 02:20.37 | Amarande | musicman: errno 13 is 'permission denied' |
| 02:20.40 | Amarande | not sure |
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| 02:20.49 | vivid | Wyzard, the driver and readme are provided by sis, so its not very linux helpful |
| 02:20.49 | rutski89 | Hmm, I can't seam to conotrol the color of the flashing cursor with PS1; it changes colors between three other colors in my PS1 and even to 1 color of the shell that i had before i did su - |
| 02:20.52 | chealer | digijohn: there are other similar files in /usr/lib. check for the same issue |
| 02:21.00 | digijohn | "similar" how? |
| 02:21.20 | Amarande | okay, i'm going to assume for now that this is some sort of isolated glitch, unless it recurs |
| 02:21.30 | Amarande | it's a bit puzzling though |
| 02:21.44 | Wyzard | vivid: Probably just a code change between 2.6.10 and 2.6.12... unless you have programming skills and feel like modifying the driver a bit, don't expect it to work on that kernel |
| 02:21.55 | g0bl1n | it says i need to use fdimage to make my freebsd floppies |
| 02:21.58 | g0bl1n | or debian |
| 02:22.05 | g0bl1n | where is fdimage, my comp aint got it |
| 02:22.10 | chealer | digijohn: try $ locate 6106|grep /usr/lib; |
| 02:22.13 | vivid | Wyzard, is there a way i can install the 2.6.10 kernel to build? |
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| 02:22.20 | chealer | digijohn: any results? |
| 02:22.27 | Wyzard | vivid: Not that I know of, not on a liveCD |
| 02:22.53 | vivid | so i need to use a pata drive to install an older 2.6.10 kernel on |
| 02:23.06 | digijohn | /usr/lib/nvidia/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.6106 |
| 02:23.07 | digijohn | /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.6106 |
| 02:23.11 | Wyzard | vivid: But even if you did, and managed to install Debian on the hard drive that way, you'd be left with a system that can never (in the foreseeable future) use a kernel newer than 2.6.10 |
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| 02:23.23 | digijohn | /usr/lib/nvidia/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.6106 |
| 02:23.30 | Wyzard | vivid: I'd suggest you return your hardware and buy something different that actually has a decent driver available |
| 02:23.35 | digijohn | chealer, did those lines show up? |
| 02:23.55 | vivid | Wyzard, until the driver is supported in open-source, which probably wont take very long, new ubuntu comes out in two months |
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| 02:24.39 | chealer | digijohn: yes. what does $ ls -l /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1 return? |
| 02:24.57 | vivid | Wyzard, returning the board will cost $20 for shipping, plus a loss of 25% cost of board, and the purchase of another |
| 02:25.17 | vivid | be like another $150 bucks |
| 02:25.18 | digijohn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Feb 2 20:37 /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1 -> libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.8178 |
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| 02:25.58 | Wyzard | vivid: Consider that to be the cost of buying hardwdare without first checking whether it's supported :-) |
| 02:26.00 | chealer | digijohn: do the other equivalent symlinks look fine? |
| 02:26.17 | Wyzard | vivid: But if you want to keep trying, look for a different liveCD, one that uses 2.6.10 |
| 02:26.28 | digijohn | chealer: Yes |
| 02:26.40 | Wyzard | vivid: or install on a PATA drive as you suggested, etc |
| 02:27.01 | chealer | digijohn: BTW, what does $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.6106; return? |
| 02:27.01 | digijohn | I get this in logs, too: |
| 02:27.03 | buu | vivid: Can't you just get a backported kernel? |
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| 02:27.04 | vivid | Wyzard, ill just build it on an ide drive, its not that big of a deal that linux doesnt have very good support for new hardware, its not my problem if i installed windows it would be seamless |
| 02:27.05 | digijohn | Feb 2 21:26:44 hiro kernel: NVRM: client does not support versioning!! |
| 02:27.05 | digijohn | Feb 2 21:26:44 hiro kernel: NVRM: aborting to avoid catastrophe! |
| 02:27.27 | vivid | buu, thats what im going to do, install an older kernel, then build the driver into it |
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| 02:27.34 | digijohn | chealer: Not found |
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| 02:27.45 | vivid | having a 2.6.10 when the current is 2.6.12 isnt even going to be a noticable change |
| 02:27.45 | Amarande | weird |
| 02:27.53 | Amarande | according to the BTS, libvte4 is in unstable |
| 02:27.54 | chealer | digijohn: do you know where those files come from? |
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| 02:27.59 | digijohn | No |
| 02:28.17 | Amarande | but I don't have anything in sources.list pointing to sid |
| 02:28.30 | Amarande | thus, it's in etch, but the BTS says it's in sid |
| 02:28.41 | Wyzard | vivid: You *assume* it would work flawlessly in Windows... I used to have a SCSI card that worked perfectly in Linux, but would reliably crash Windows just by being physically installed in the computer :-) |
| 02:28.56 | chealer | digijohn: did you use upstream nvidia-installer in the past? |
| 02:28.57 | Garda | howcome i can't send to #freenode |
| 02:29.04 | digijohn | chealer: I don't know. |
| 02:29.15 | digijohn | I've used the NVIDIA binary installers a lot in the past |
| 02:29.20 | chealer | Garda: you're not voiced when you enter that channel |
| 02:29.28 | g0bl1n | using fdimage to make my files, it said "read fault" |
| 02:29.33 | chealer | digijohn: OK, that's what I meant |
| 02:29.42 | Garda | how do i get +v |
| 02:29.52 | g0bl1n | you dont |
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| 02:30.07 | digijohn | I seriously need to reinstall debian... it's been years and half the time I didn't know what I was doing ;-) |
| 02:30.15 | Garda | anyway. how do i get someone to help me with NickServ problem |
| 02:30.15 | vivid | Wyzard, windows supports the sis965L, because windows pays money for drivers to be built, and thats what hardware is built primarily to run on |
| 02:30.46 | digijohn | Perhaps the best solution would be for me to install the latest kernel I can get and try using the binary installer |
| 02:30.53 | Amarande | vivid: then explain why Linux works fine with an nForce4, but Windows keeps choking horribly on it |
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| 02:31.14 | codept | hullo |
| 02:31.48 | Wyzard | vivid: Adaptec is a well-known brand with ostensibly great support from Windows, but nonetheless, 2000, XP, and 2003 would all bluescreen just from detecting this card :-) |
| 02:32.02 | chealer | digijohn: what does $ ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so; return? |
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| 02:32.28 | digijohn | ls: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so: No such file or directory |
| 02:32.30 | digijohn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Feb 2 20:37 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.0.8178 |
| 02:33.06 | chealer | digijohn: what does $ ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1; return? |
| 02:33.28 | digijohn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Feb 2 21:05 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2 |
| 02:33.33 | Wyzard | vivid: Didn't even get to the drver-installation step -- the "found new hardware" bubble would pop up, and then bluescreen |
| 02:33.49 | vivid | Wyzard, the truth is windows has much better hardware support and new hardware is always supported on windows and mac first |
| 02:33.55 | chealer | digijohn: what does $ ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2; return? |
| 02:34.01 | vivid | because they have money |
| 02:34.13 | digijohn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 400260 Feb 25 2004 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 02:34.18 | codept | Excuse me, i'm using Debian on an Acer laptop now. I have a wifi built-in. but I can't automatically connect to accesspoint with it. What should I do? |
| 02:34.29 | Wyzard | vivid: I know... I'm just pointing out that everything in Windows-world isn't perfect |
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| 02:34.41 | Wyzard | codept: Any access point? Or a particular one? |
| 02:35.02 | kawauso | i'm trying to upgrade to 2.6.15, but it requires udev >= 0.076-5, which requires a kernel >=2.6.12. do i have to step through 2.6.12 or can i work around this? (running unstable) |
| 02:35.10 | codept | I hope i can make my laptop connect automatically to accesspoint |
| 02:35.20 | codept | Wyzard: yeah, in my place |
| 02:35.32 | Wyzard | codept: Is the access point using WPA? |
| 02:36.09 | Wyzard | kawauso: You can uninstall mkinitramfs and install yaird instead... I'm pretty sure yaird doesn't have the udev dependency |
| 02:36.31 | codept | Wyzard: no |
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| 02:36.38 | Wyzard | kawauso: (mkinitramfs and yaird are ramdisk generators that get run as part of the kernel package's installation) |
| 02:36.39 | codept | Wyzard: not sure |
| 02:36.41 | vivid | Wyzard, everything in any world isnt perfect |
| 02:36.42 | chealer | digijohn: hum, this one looks wrong. try # ln -fs /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8178 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 02:37.10 | g0bl1n | what about dubuntu? |
| 02:37.13 | Wyzard | codept: OK, starting at the beginning, then: is your wireless card actually recognized by Linux? (i.e. do you have a network interface for it?) |
| 02:37.25 | codept | Wyzard: eth1 |
| 02:37.30 | kawauso | wyzard: can't run apt, it's stuck on that udev package |
| 02:37.31 | stew | yaird definately doesn't depend on udev, however it has a bug that sometimes causes DMA to be impossible on ide |
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| 02:37.45 | stew | !udev 2.6.12 |
| 02:37.45 | dpkg | if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ and installing it with dpkg -i |
| 02:37.45 | Wyzard | stew: I think that's been fixed by now |
| 02:37.53 | vivid | Wyzard, thats wierd, ive never seen a bluescreen in any version of windows after ME |
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| 02:38.11 | stew | Wyzard: not according to the bts |
| 02:38.28 | Wyzard | vivid: The only times I have are while using this card, and (on a different occasion) when installing on a system whose processor was overheating |
| 02:38.53 | raden | is there a website that has like a chart of all the linux core files ? |
| 02:39.22 | Wyzard | codept: Does "iwconfig eth1" show info on the device? |
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| 02:39.38 | Cyorxamp | Has anyone in here got a Zaurus (one of those Sharp PDA's that run linux) ? |
| 02:39.47 | benjamindees | Amarande, so do it already |
| 02:39.50 | digijohn | chealer: same problem |
| 02:39.52 | Amarande | Let's just say that gnome-terminal has in its history A LOT of bugs labeled as "won't start" or the such. :) |
| 02:40.16 | Wyzard | Amarande: As I said earlier, I've been running GNOME, from unstable no less, for years |
| 02:40.18 | codept | Wyzard: iwconfig: command not ound |
| 02:40.20 | stew | raden: what is a core file? |
| 02:40.22 | codept | found* |
| 02:40.32 | stew | codept: install wireless-tools |
| 02:40.36 | Wyzard | codept: That's part of the problem -- apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 02:40.41 | chealer | digijohn: I just guessed that. you should try reinstalling nvidia-glx than running debsums on your nvidia packages |
| 02:40.42 | Amarande | wyzard: are the etch gnome packages older than the sid ones? |
| 02:41.03 | raden | stew, I found what i was Looking for FHS documentation |
| 02:41.11 | codept | Wyzard: ok |
| 02:41.12 | Wyzard | Amarande: They're older than the current sid ones, but they were themselves in sid at some point in the past |
| 02:41.41 | Amarande | wyzard: it might be possible though that a full-blown sid machine might never have had this particular combination of gnome and libvte4 versions though, right? |
| 02:41.59 | Wyzard | Amarande: I suppose... but that sort of problem seems fairly unlikely |
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| 02:42.13 | Wyzard | codept: Now check whether "iwconfig eth1" shows info |
| 02:42.58 | Amarande | Wyzard: Not to mention the glitches seem to have gone away since I removed and reinstalled certain packages |
| 02:43.11 | Amarande | I wonder if it had to do with the package mistake I made yesterday |
| 02:43.16 | codept | Wyzard: no |
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| 02:43.25 | Wyzard | codept: What does it say? |
| 02:43.28 | codept | Wyzard: no wireless extensions |
| 02:43.29 | Amarande | I tried to install hotplug, and then had to reverse several changes, which involved reinstalling GNOME (but -not-, IIRC, libvte4!) |
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| 02:43.32 | rixth | How can I apply an equalizer to ALSA? |
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| 02:43.39 | Wyzard | codept: Then eth1 is not your wireless card |
| 02:43.42 | digijohn | chealer: Okay, reinstalling nvidia-glx helped a little, but now everything looks horrible |
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| 02:43.46 | Amarande | since, apparently, hotplug is deprecated and doesn't play with gnome. :) |
| 02:43.49 | codept | Wyzard: oh |
| 02:44.02 | Wyzard | Amarande: Yes, hotplug's functionality has been subsumed by udev |
| 02:44.05 | Amarande | PEBKAC, in other words. |
| 02:44.18 | Amarande | wyzard: could I have munged something during that package problem? |
| 02:44.24 | Amarande | since it seems that the problem has not returned |
| 02:44.28 | digijohn | chealer: sounds like the GLX module might not have been loaded... lemme paste in a line or two |
| 02:44.43 | digijohn | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X |
| 02:44.43 | digijohn | (EE) NVIDIA(0): log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X |
| 02:44.53 | Wyzard | Amarande: Again, possibly, but it still shouldn't have led to an existing-but-corrupted shared library file |
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| 02:45.10 | codept | Wyzard: So, I cant use my wifi? |
| 02:45.21 | Amarande | and in any case, I'm more concerned with whether I should expect files to corrupt themselves again |
| 02:45.23 | Wyzard | codept: You can, but you need a driver for it |
| 02:45.28 | Wyzard | codept: What type of wireless card is it? |
| 02:45.29 | chealer | digijohn: ok. what does the log say about GLX? |
| 02:45.35 | digijohn | let's see... |
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| 02:45.47 | IndustrialUser | aia |
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| 02:46.01 | accura2k | how can I make terminal have more lines up and down outside xserver? |
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| 02:46.13 | Amarande | or whether it shouldn't happen, or should happen sufficiently rarely that I should just fix things as they happen |
| 02:46.16 | Wyzard | accura2k: Framebuffer console |
| 02:46.17 | digijohn | chealer: (II) Loading extension GLX |
| 02:46.28 | codept | Wyzard: not sure |
| 02:46.31 | digijohn | then the above errors, then |
| 02:46.32 | digijohn | (II) Loading extension NV-GLX |
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| 02:46.35 | Amarande | IOW, whether I had a one-time glitch and was panicking, or whether there's a serious fault somewhere |
| 02:46.38 | codept | Wyzard: Broadcom maybe |
| 02:46.40 | accura2k | Wyzard, thanks |
| 02:46.55 | benjamindees | Amarande, gnome does some flaky shit sometimes; and there are always people around to say they've never had problems with it |
| 02:46.57 | codept | Wyzard: Why? kernel not support my wifi card? |
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| 02:47.15 | Wyzard | Amarande: There are only two times I've seen file corruption in my history of running sid: once when I tried (manually) putting my IDE controller into a DMA mode the driver didn't support, and once when using XFS after an unclean shutdown (i.e. power failure) |
| 02:47.50 | chealer | digijohn: what does $ debconf-show xserver-xorg|grep odule; return? |
| 02:47.54 | Wyzard | codept: It depends on what type of card it is... some wireless cards are supported by the official kernel, some have out-of-tree drivers available, and some have no open-source drivers at all so you have to use ndiswrapper |
| 02:48.17 | Amarande | I do know I also have a bad habit of messing with X related packages while X is started, too. |
| 02:48.24 | Wyzard | codept: I only have experience with one Broadcom card, and that one needed ndiswrapper, but I have no idea whether that's true of most of their other cards, and I don't remember what model it was |
| 02:48.26 | Amarande | Wyzard: Did you usually log out of GNOME before changing packages? |
| 02:48.27 | digijohn | * xserver-xorg/config/modules: bitmap, dbe, ddc, dri, extmod, freetype, glx, int10, record, type1, vbe |
| 02:48.38 | Wyzard | Amarande: That could cause apps to get confused, but shouldn't cause corrupted libraries |
| 02:48.46 | codept | Wyzard: I'll take a shot |
| 02:49.05 | Wyzard | Amarande: I dist-upgrade daily and rarely restart X |
| 02:49.06 | Amarande | the strange thing is there is no sign of other corruption |
| 02:49.27 | chealer | digijohn: reconfigure X and disable the dri module. I doubt that will help, but please confirm that it doesn'T |
| 02:49.34 | Amarande | doesn't one corrupted library usually mean there's something really wrong and that others probably are also? |
| 02:49.43 | Wyzard | Amarande: The only times I've restarted X in the past two months were once when installing kernel 2.6.15, and several times when it hung due to a bug in the current nVidia driver |
| 02:49.52 | Wyzard | Amarande: possibly, yes |
| 02:50.01 | Wyzard | Amarande: It would be a good idea to use debsums |
| 02:50.11 | digijohn | chealer: I just commented out the "dri" line in xorg.conf, but it didn't do any good |
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| 02:52.17 | froze | looking for information on how to set up two soundcards, one using oss for skype (needs /dev/dsp) and the other managed by alsa. Seems like everytime I reboot the cards are configured differently. |
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| 02:53.01 | Wyzard | froze: ALSA has a "snd-pcm-oss" driver which provides OSS emulation so you can use /dev/dsp with your ALSA-supported card |
| 02:53.02 | stew | froze: you know that alsa will support /dev/dsp if you modprobe snd-pcm-oss, right? |
| 02:53.17 | Wyzard | froze: I'm not sure how to configure which of the two cards the OSS emulation uses, though |
| 02:53.20 | chealer | digijohn: where does /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so point? |
| 02:53.51 | froze | ahhh, no. nigty! in that case how can I get alsa to manage both cards? alsaconf only sets up one card at a time? |
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| 02:54.18 | froze | s/nigty/nifty/ |
| 02:54.27 | Wyzard | froze: Just load the driver modules for both cards, or use something like discover which detects and loads the drivers automatically |
| 02:55.10 | digijohn | Hang on, chealer, the problem may just be that /etc/X11/rgb.txt no longer exists :-) |
| 02:55.20 | froze | OK, but the order is important, yes? I would like /dev/dsp to alway be a particular sound device. |
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| 02:56.39 | digijohn | chealer: Yep, it's working now |
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| 03:00.43 | codept | great! the wireless driver is only for window$ |
| 03:00.54 | codept | oh how am i going to get this working |
| 03:00.56 | daehepod | ndiswrapper |
| 03:01.12 | erchef | please help me how to install amsn 0.9?? |
| 03:01.26 | daehepod | apt-get install amsn |
| 03:01.53 | daehepod | btw msn is faggotware |
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| 03:02.07 | daehepod | use yahoo, aim or icq |
| 03:02.12 | daehepod | at least they support linux |
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| 03:02.22 | Rodietze | daehepod why msn is such a thing? |
| 03:02.27 | digijohn | chealer: Thanks for all of your help; I've fixed it all now |
| 03:02.35 | daehepod | ms themselves are fucking morons |
| 03:02.49 | daehepod | fuck them and everything they touch |
| 03:02.55 | Rodietze | daehepod oh no doubts :D |
| 03:03.03 | opnsrc | Ok, I want to connect to the grc news server and I can but if I try to compose something it says I need to choose an identical login and password. I can't figure out how to choose a login and password. Can someone help me (I tried both Thunderbird and the Mozilla news client) |
| 03:03.06 | daehepod | i should know .. i used to work there |
| 03:03.08 | erchef | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied |
| 03:03.22 | daehepod | run as root moron |
| 03:03.42 | Rodietze | daehepod MS? |
| 03:03.45 | Amarande | apparently, according to debsums, some of my files in /var/lib/aspell have changed |
| 03:03.52 | Amarande | that's about it, though |
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| 03:03.59 | Rodietze | daehepod u worked at ms? |
| 03:04.14 | daehepod | long long ago yes |
| 03:04.34 | Azar | thank god I get the chance NOT to use gnome or kdm, platforms for all ms clone crapolas |
| 03:04.34 | daehepod | worst mistake of my life |
| 03:04.34 | Amarande | or are the contents of /var/lib/aspell supposed to change? |
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| 03:04.46 | daehepod | use flux or openbox |
| 03:04.52 | Wyzard | Amarande: Did you have debsums installed already, or did you just install it? |
| 03:04.55 | Azar | yep |
| 03:04.58 | Amarande | Just installed it. |
| 03:05.11 | Rodietze | daehepod man why? it's amazing, u could learn a lot there |
| 03:05.13 | Wyzard | Amarande: You probably don't actually have sums for some of your packages, then |
| 03:05.17 | kawauso | apparently i'm doing something wrong with regards to using dpkg -i to install the a newer kernel. the bot pointed me to the /l list of packages, but the packages i thought were right are not. linux-image-2.6-486_2.6.15-3_i386.deb and kernel-image-2.6-486_2.6.15-3_i386.deb |
| 03:05.37 | abrocadabro | I am trying to migrate to a new ssl enabled site from an old one, how can I transfrer the certificates? |
| 03:05.44 | Wyzard | Amarande: Does "debsums -l" list any packages? |
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| 03:05.58 | Amarande | Quite a number of them. |
| 03:05.59 | daehepod | learned all i need to |
| 03:06.04 | kawauso | is there a package that will try to bring in all the deps for the kernel or is there an article on this udev quirk? |
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| 03:07.07 | chealer | kawauso: why not using apt? |
| 03:07.32 | Wyzard | kawauso: Did you remove initramfs-tools and install yaird instead? |
| 03:07.50 | kawauso | wyzard: apt is broken |
| 03:08.02 | Amarande | when I try debsums -g, though, it can't seem to find .deb's for any of the ones that don't have sums |
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| 03:08.17 | kawauso | wyzard: where by broken i mean it won't do anything until udev gets resolved |
| 03:08.17 | daehepod | udev is not a "quirk" |
| 03:08.20 | Wyzard | kawauso: Use a web browser to download the debs manually |
| 03:08.26 | daehepod | it's a good idea |
| 03:08.52 | kawauso | daehepod: i wasn't talking about udev, i was talking about the circular dependency |
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| 03:09.08 | Wyzard | Amarande: apt-get --reinstall -d install `debsums -l` |
| 03:09.09 | daehepod | ok .. my fault |
| 03:09.11 | kawauso | wyzard: but which debs? |
| 03:09.12 | abrocadabro | what package do I need to enable ssl on apache2? |
| 03:09.19 | abrocadabro | install |
| 03:09.21 | nomopofomo | why isn't make modules_install creating my modules? it creates the directory but nOT the modules :( |
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| 03:09.33 | Wyzard | Amarande: debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:09.45 | Wyzard | Amarande: The first command will download the debs for any packages you currently don't have sums for |
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| 03:09.55 | Wyzard | Amarande: The second command will generate sums from the downloaded debs |
| 03:10.05 | opnsrc | Ok, I want to connect to the grc news server and I can but if I try to compose something it says I need to choose an identical login and password. I can't figure out how to choose a login and password. Can someone help me (I tried both Thunderbird and the Mozilla news client) |
| 03:10.19 | abrocadabro | nomopofomo: are you compiling the kernel? |
| 03:10.22 | nomopofomo | yes |
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| 03:10.47 | Wyzard | Amarande: And now that you have debsums installed, you have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90debsums which will automatically generate sums for new packages when you install them, so you won't have this problem in the future |
| 03:10.58 | abrocadabro | nomopofomo: make && make modules && make modules_install && make install is what I normally do |
| 03:11.01 | Rodietze | I've fuckerd my debian :(, I tried to add a splashimage in grub but it has failed to load grub... so i didn't know what to do and tried the install CD just to install grub again, but now I've fixed grub menu but teh X doesn't starts WHY? |
| 03:11.18 | nomopofomo | i see |
| 03:11.22 | nomopofomo | so i need to do make modules first |
| 03:11.25 | Amarande | rodietze: which X driver? |
| 03:11.47 | Rodietze | Amarande XFree86 |
| 03:11.53 | nomopofomo | what does just plain old make do? |
| 03:12.10 | Amarande | Rodietze: Are you using any proprietary (nvidia, ati, etc.) drivers? |
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| 03:12.44 | Rodietze | Amarande yes nvidia one, but I've checked the XFree86-4 file, and it se4ems to keep the nvidia configuirations unchanged |
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| 03:13.08 | nomopofomo | ? |
| 03:13.18 | Amarande | rodietze: are you sure you're booting the correct kernel that matches your nvidia driver? |
| 03:13.43 | Amarande | you have to recompile the nvidia driver for each kernel version you want to use it with |
| 03:14.01 | Amarande | chances are, if you have debian, you have more than one kernel in grub, and probably only one has the nvidia driver installed |
| 03:14.13 | kawauso | wyzard: yaird installed, initramfs-tools gone, now what? |
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| 03:14.22 | Wyzard | kawauso: Now install the new kernel |
| 03:14.35 | kspath | so sad, now all those people that get the MIT 100USD laptop will be stuck with Fedora. I pity their future suffering. |
| 03:14.39 | kawauso | with apt or from ftp? |
| 03:14.46 | nomopofomo | does make install configure a new kernel for lilo only? |
| 03:14.46 | Wyzard | kawauso: doesn't matter |
| 03:14.48 | Rodietze | ohhh when I used the install CD to intall grub, I'e noticed that it has installed otehr things.. and in teh grub menu that had 2 items 'debian and win' now had 3 it added the debian recovery mode too |
| 03:14.57 | Amarande | kspath: why would they be stuck with fedora? |
| 03:15.24 | abrocadabro | what is the right package to install ssl for apache2? |
| 03:15.30 | kspath | Amarande: stuck was a little strong but that is what they will apparently come infested with. |
| 03:15.32 | kawauso | wyzard: apt won't, still complains about udev, tells to -f install, this fails, too |
| 03:15.41 | Amarande | !start a distro war |
| 03:15.42 | dpkg | Kubuntu is the nuts! |
| 03:15.59 | diesel | !2006 key |
| 03:15.59 | dpkg | somebody said 2006 key was apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 03:16.26 | Rodietze | Kubuntu is nice, Ubuntu is very nice, but Debian rocks my socks |
| 03:18.55 | Wyzard | kawauso: That's odd... can you determine which package it is that depends on udev? And what message do you actually get when you try the upgrade and it fails? |
| 03:19.11 | Amarande | Wyzard: A bunch of files in /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7 have changed. All of them are of the filename format "modules.foo". |
| 03:19.21 | Amarande | Corruption, or are those supposed to change? |
| 03:19.36 | kawauso | wyzard: apt tells me hal |
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| 03:19.40 | Amarande | Other than that, the only other files that changed were in /var/lib/aspell |
| 03:19.50 | Amarande | but being in /var, I wouldn't be surprised if they were meant to change too |
| 03:19.53 | Wyzard | Amarande: That's normal |
| 03:20.02 | Amarande | Wyzard: Weird. |
| 03:20.10 | Amarande | Single-file isolated corruption that went away on reinstalling the package concerned. |
| 03:20.14 | Wyzard | kawauso: Does anything depend on the new hal? |
| 03:20.15 | Amarande | And I didn't even redownload the .deb. |
| 03:20.37 | Amarande | badblocks still hasn't come up with anything abnormal yet, either. |
| 03:20.42 | Amarande | and neither did SMART |
| 03:21.05 | Wyzard | Amarande: Could just be a random fluke... a high-energy particle flipping a bit in your RAM or something |
| 03:21.33 | Amarande | Wyzard: Yeah, I'm beginning to think that. |
| 03:22.05 | mfrisch | Amarande: have you /dev/urandom the drive lately |
| 03:22.07 | Amarande | On the good side, this has been fairly stressful on the CPU, so I know the CPU is definitely quite good also. :) |
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| 03:22.17 | Amarande | mfrisch: /dev/urandom the drive? |
| 03:22.27 | longman | hi, i have a small problem, i have a file with the line "chmod -r 777 /etc/postfix" , when i exec the file sh file, command line says that the dir /etc/postfix doesn´t exist, but if a exec the line from the command line directly it do it perfectly. know anybody why it do; thanks |
| 03:22.29 | kawauso | wyzard: how would i determine that? |
| 03:22.31 | mfrisch | Amarande: wiped it |
| 03:22.51 | Amarande | mfrisch: I'm kinda not in the mood to reformat AGAIN just now, understandably. :) |
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| 03:23.10 | Amarande | these last few days have been the first time I've had a stably-running OS since I got this computer set up. |
| 03:23.46 | froze | thanks all, g'nite |
| 03:23.52 | Amarande | If I reformatted, I might even be tempted to go back to XP. |
| 03:23.59 | Amarande | Especially since I think I've figured out what made that glitch up. |
| 03:24.04 | Wyzard | kawauso: Try installing just the kernel, specifically, by package name (not something generic like "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade") and see what other packages it wants to install as dependencies |
| 03:24.07 | mfrisch | Amarande: I was having fluke software problems and did a full cat /dev/urandom>/dev/sda1 etc. and things work fine now. |
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| 03:25.08 | Amarande | Apparently XP cacked up due to a buggy IDE driver. |
| 03:25.11 | kawauso | wyzard: trying to install the new kernel triggered the udev upgrade |
| 03:25.24 | Amarande | Which explains why InstallShield wasn't happy. |
| 03:26.28 | Wyzard | kawauso: The thing is, the kernel does not depend on udev -- I'm looking at the dependencies now |
| 03:27.27 | Wyzard | kawauso: Use #flood or a pastebin, not /msg |
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| 03:27.37 | kawauso | wyzard: sorry |
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| 03:27.50 | bushito | i just want an opinion, is enlightment good? |
| 03:27.55 | kawauso | wyzard: thought that only applied if a bunch of people were helping |
| 03:28.02 | m1ke_l | e17 looks wicked cool |
| 03:28.10 | m1ke_l | e16 is pretty hot though too |
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| 03:28.17 | Amarande | enlightenment ... |
| 03:28.23 | bsims | Hrm does script record stderr |
| 03:28.31 | Amarande | if I recall right, is very beautiful and requires way more CPU and memory resources than any other WM |
| 03:28.37 | Amarande | though that was more of an issue in the olden days |
| 03:28.43 | Amarande | I remember when E slowed systems to a crawl |
| 03:28.47 | Wyzard | kawauso: In my case it doesn't matter much because my IRC client (xchat) puts private messages in a separate tab, but some people would be flooded by that |
| 03:28.50 | Amarande | then E worked fine, and GNOME slowed systems to a crawl |
| 03:28.57 | Amarande | and now finally we can run GNOME without slowing :) |
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| 03:29.13 | kspath | use ion3 or openbox3 and speed up |
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| 03:29.25 | Wyzard | kawauso: You're probably right about the hotplug removal... but what's causing that? |
| 03:29.38 | bsims | kspath: There is but one WM and it's Name is Windowmaker |
| 03:29.49 | kawauso | wyzard: the kernel, i'd think. that's the only package that i specified to change, everything else was brought in as a result of that |
| 03:29.57 | kawauso | wyzard: or something under the kernel |
| 03:29.58 | kspath | bsims: widowwhat? |
| 03:30.04 | JMTeal | how do i use bg ?? i want to run some processes and log out with them still running... |
| 03:30.05 | bsims | kspath: wmaker |
| 03:30.05 | Wyzard | kawauso: (btw, aptitude can be better for resolving these things... you highlight a package in its list of proposed changes, and it tells you what dependencies/conflicts are causing it to be installed or removed) |
| 03:30.10 | m1ke_l | if i start fluxbox, then launch KDE, does kwin also run? |
| 03:30.14 | kspath | bsims: ;-) |
| 03:30.32 | Wyzard | kawauso: The kernel doesn't conflict with hotplug though... the hotplug removal is indirect through some other package |
| 03:30.35 | bsims | I have been trolled, you win... here is your five pounds |
| 03:30.38 | jmg | hmm |
| 03:30.46 | kawauso | wyzard: yeah, but it's not installed right now. bad spot to be in. i suppose this is why they call it unstable. |
| 03:31.24 | kspath | bsims: five English pounds currency or 5 pound of flesh or ... |
| 03:31.36 | bushito | so you guys recommend enlightment?? |
| 03:31.45 | bsims | five pounds of virulent meme |
| 03:31.45 | mfrisch | no |
| 03:31.48 | bushito | i am a kde user, but i am curiouse about enlightment... |
| 03:31.57 | bsims | Hey I am working on a bash script and need to know if the command "script" records stderr... does anyone know |
| 03:32.02 | Amarande | what WM does gnome use by default on debian? |
| 03:32.16 | mfrisch | xfce4 is good |
| 03:32.21 | kspath | bsims: test is quick and you have your answer |
| 03:32.24 | Wyzard | Amarande: Metacity, the standard GNOME window manager |
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| 03:32.28 | m1ke_l | xfce4 and fluxbox are cool |
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| 03:32.34 | Amarande | ahh |
| 03:32.38 | Amarande | I always thought GNOME used E by default |
| 03:32.41 | Amarande | but that might be an old thing |
| 03:32.50 | Wyzard | That's *way* old |
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| 03:32.55 | Wyzard | like 1996 information |
| 03:32.56 | mfrisch | Amarande: it can |
| 03:32.56 | Amarande | yah |
| 03:33.00 | Amarande | like I might have mentioned |
| 03:33.05 | Amarande | I spent about 5-6 years out of the linux loop |
| 03:33.20 | bushito | hey =) is enlightment recomended?? |
| 03:33.24 | kspath | Amarande: You did not miss a lot. |
| 03:33.30 | Wyzard | It used to be, way back then, that E was the only WM that supported the extended WM hints used by GNOME |
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| 03:33.35 | sineer | hi there! |
| 03:33.37 | JMTeal | how do i use bg ?? i want to run some processes and log out with them still running... |
| 03:34.00 | sineer | My buddy is trying to rescue his flunked /sbin/lilo install with Debian netinstall cd using the rescue root=/dev/hda1 but he keeps getting Image not found :( |
| 03:34.13 | sineer | its like the rescue option doesn't wanna do its job :( He's using debian stable... |
| 03:34.22 | dondelelcaro | sineer: don't use it like that. |
| 03:34.30 | dondelelcaro | sineer: boot using the installer, then mount your root, then run lilo appropriately. |
| 03:34.31 | mfrisch | sineer: use a real rescue cd |
| 03:34.33 | sineer | ah :( what is the syntax please |
| 03:34.34 | m1ke_l | jmteal: nohup process & |
| 03:34.40 | sineer | ok |
| 03:34.45 | sineer | will try |
| 03:34.46 | bsims | Amarande: I use kde apps by preference |
| 03:35.06 | Amarande | Something inevitably causes me to go back to Windows eventually. I need to find ways to resist this. |
| 03:35.08 | JMTeal | mike will that make it run in background? can i continue with other things? |
| 03:35.15 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: way back during the first stint of E development... ;-) |
| 03:35.47 | bsims | Amarande: I have been windows free for four years now... I don't game so... |
| 03:35.56 | kspath | Amarande: Windows makes an ok game machine. There really is not any other need for it unless you must use it on pain of death at a work place. |
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| 03:36.06 | m1ke_l | jmteal & make in run in background...nohup means "dont hang up this process when i log out" |
| 03:36.10 | Amarande | kspath: yeah, the thing being that I play a fair number of games |
| 03:36.11 | Wyzard | Amarande: Following that, the preferred GNOME WM was Sawmill (later renamed Sawfish), and when GNOME 2.0 came along it had Metacity, its own WM |
| 03:36.59 | JMTeal | mike thx a bunch... is there a way to do this with a process you have used ^Z on? |
| 03:37.11 | kspath | Amarande: well if you have the money just have an infected/owned windows box for gaming and a useable/stable/secure debian box for productivity |
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| 03:37.42 | m1ke_l | you mean already running? hmm...not sure |
| 03:38.05 | Amarande | does Windows average out to more or less than 60$ a year assuming you stay up to date? |
| 03:38.13 | Wyzard | Amarande: I've tried out Cedega and been less than impressed with it |
| 03:38.18 | m1ke_l | not sure, never paid for windows. |
| 03:38.19 | bsims | Amarande: yeah cedega charges less than Norton and spysweeper |
| 03:38.27 | JMTeal | yeah.. like how you can resume a stopped job with fg... |
| 03:38.28 | Wyzard | Amarande: I'd be happy to subscribe to it if it actually worked well |
| 03:38.34 | bsims | Amarande: if nothing else pull cvs cedega |
| 03:38.45 | mfrisch | Amarande: use qemu its free |
| 03:38.49 | JMTeal | just resume in background and nohup.. |
| 03:38.50 | JMTeal | ? |
| 03:39.11 | m1ke_l | jmteal: not sure, but dont think so. I don't know anyway, but i don't not everything...yet |
| 03:39.16 | JMTeal | also... how is bg used? |
| 03:39.26 | m1ke_l | what do you mean? |
| 03:39.38 | JMTeal | command bg... |
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| 03:40.05 | Wyzard | Amarande: I tried playing Morrowind in Cedega and it was horribly slow... then I tried TA and it was unplayable due to palette problems and visual corruption... I was going to try Oni, but gave up when I read on the wiki that it only works if you block it from opening the sound device (so there's no sound in the game) |
| 03:40.20 | JMTeal | i *think* it resumes a stopped process in background... but i cant figure out how it really works... |
| 03:40.26 | Amarande | wyzard: what kind of rig did you try morrowind on? |
| 03:40.31 | JMTeal | and i have no man page for it |
| 03:40.32 | Amarande | I was thinking about Morrowind in cedega myself |
| 03:40.40 | Amarande | and, especially, whether Oblivion will work in it |
| 03:40.42 | m1ke_l | no, it should force a process into the background |
| 03:40.50 | m1ke_l | fg resumes a process |
| 03:40.50 | Wyzard | Amarande: Athlon-800 with a geforce6200 |
| 03:41.00 | Amarande | wyzard: as in 800 MHz? |
| 03:41.02 | JMTeal | but it must be already running right? |
| 03:41.11 | Wyzard | Amarande: I later installed the game in Windows on a 900MHz box running XP and it worked fine |
| 03:41.27 | m1ke_l | yes....if you ^Z something, fg job# should bring it back |
| 03:41.27 | Wyzard | Amarande: The slowness was a known issue with Cedega, not due to the slow processor |
| 03:41.36 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:41.49 | JMTeal | yeah i got that... but how about bg? |
| 03:42.01 | Amarande | This is an Athlon 64 3500+ with a GeForce 6600 |
| 03:42.08 | Wyzard | Amarande: When I say "slow" mean about one less than one frame per second in videos, and frequent "pauses" of a second or two in-game |
| 03:42.23 | mfrisch | Amarande: are you running amd-64?? |
| 03:42.25 | m1ke_l | well, i can't test but if you start a process from a terminal, bg pid might force it to background and bring your terminal prompt back |
| 03:42.31 | Amarande | mfrisch: k7 kernel, actually |
| 03:42.42 | Amarande | 32-bit userspace stuff |
| 03:42.52 | m1ke_l | by default all my process's start in bg |
| 03:42.55 | m1ke_l | not sure how or why |
| 03:42.56 | JMTeal | but if i have no prompt how can i do bg pid? |
| 03:43.06 | m1ke_l | open a new prompt |
| 03:43.06 | mfrisch | Amarande: amd-64 rocks and rolls |
| 03:43.14 | Amarande | since I rather NEED 32-bit userspace |
| 03:43.33 | Wyzard | JMTeal: Ctrl-Z to suspend the process that's currently running in the foreground |
| 03:43.40 | mfrisch | Amarande: 32-bit is usually made in a chroot |
| 03:43.42 | Wyzard | JMTeal: bg to resume it in the background |
| 03:43.48 | JMTeal | open a new prompt?.... i have no gui... i'm command line only... so how do i open a new prompt? |
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| 03:44.04 | Wyzard | JMTeal: but I'm pretty sure you can't nohup a process once it's already running... you have to start it under nohup |
| 03:44.11 | bsims | ctrl-alt-Fn or apt-get install screen |
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| 03:44.29 | Amarande | mfrisch: I'm wondering if any performance change would be seen by using the amd64 kernel, but not changing from 32- to 64-bit userspace software |
| 03:44.33 | JMTeal | ok that makes sense.. |
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| 03:45.22 | Wyzard | Amarande: FWIW, http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/wiki/Morrowind says the Morrowind slow-video problem has been fixed in Cedega 5.0 |
| 03:45.25 | JMTeal | lemme try out a few things and get back with you... |
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| 03:45.40 | Amarande | the main Windows games I'm concerned about |
| 03:45.45 | kawauso | wyzard: apparently an old but-not-quite-broken version of dbus was an issue, it's upgrading and we'll see how that goes |
| 03:45.56 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:46.09 | Amarande | are Diablo II, Neverwinter Nights (pretty much just the toolset since there's a linux main game), Morrowind, and when it comes out, Oblivion |
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| 03:46.25 | Amarande | Maybe CounterStrike: Source, too, but maybe not |
| 03:46.28 | Wyzard | Amarande: However, the sixth item under "other issues" still concerns me in particular |
| 03:46.31 | Amarande | And possibly UT2004, but I think that has a Linux native version |
| 03:46.37 | Wyzard | Amarande: I just use a separate system for Windows gaming |
| 03:46.40 | mfrisch | Amarande: I donot think that would run, what do you want to run, exept abiword ooo everything runs pretty much, it is going to be the official release the next time around |
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| 03:50.04 | dna_ | how do I unzip a .rar file in lunux? |
| 03:50.15 | Wyzard | dna_: apt-get install unrar |
| 03:50.18 | chealer_ | !tell dna_ about rar |
| 03:50.19 | SiiN | rar x |
| 03:50.22 | Wyzard | dna_: You need to have non-free in your sources.list |
| 03:50.24 | mfrisch | lunux? |
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| 03:51.05 | aaron_ | hi, im trying to compile snort(2.4.3-RC40 and i get the error during ./configure -> checking for eth_set in -ldnet... i tryed compiling libdnet by hand and i still get this error any ideas? |
| 03:52.07 | Amarande | Okay, so Morrowind may not work too well. I guess that's an ah well, then. |
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| 03:53.19 | ccg | how to mount an ntfs filesystem rw |
| 03:53.24 | ootput | fuse |
| 03:53.53 | m1ke_l | bad/weak ntfs write support in linux |
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| 03:53.55 | citricoder | hi all |
| 03:53.59 | m1ke_l | dangerous to do. |
| 03:54.05 | chealer_ | !tell ccg about ntfs rw |
| 03:54.07 | m1ke_l | but it can be done somehow |
| 03:54.13 | citricoder | What's the C++ chanel? |
| 03:54.13 | m1ke_l | tell me too! |
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| 03:54.26 | Wyzard | citricoder: ##c++ |
| 03:55.00 | dna_ | something is wack with my apt-get, it wants to install x11-common and won't allow me to install unrar :( |
| 03:55.22 | kawauso | wyzard: dbus was it. lost all my gnome apps, but i got the image, so |
| 03:55.41 | Wyzard | kawauso: Oh... the transition from dbus-1 to dbus |
| 03:55.53 | kawauso | wyzard: mmhmm. that. |
| 03:55.59 | dna_ | ahh I figued it out |
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| 03:56.45 | Wyzard | kawauso: That's a tricky one... most of the relevant packages have been updated by now, but you might need to pull a few apps from experimental (I'm not sure) |
| 03:57.14 | Wyzard | kawauso: but I have two sid systems here (my desktop and my laptop) which have both successfully made that transition and are now running GNOME cleanly and without problems |
| 03:57.19 | kawauso | wyzard: yeah, thank god synaptic keeps logs or i'd be discovering new things missing over two months |
| 03:57.55 | kawauso | wyzard; though my priority right now is the new kernel, since i've been running a kernel that according to debian officially doesn't exist (2.6.11) |
| 03:58.32 | Wyzard | kawauso: I'm running 2.6.15 on both sid systems I mentioned... again, no particular problems |
| 03:58.37 | Wyzard | kawauso: so it's definitely possible |
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| 04:00.55 | Elly | hey guys, what package has ld and friends in it? |
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| 04:01.21 | Wyzard | Elly: binutils |
| 04:01.30 | Wyzard | Elly: If you want to compile stuff, apt-get install build-essential |
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| 04:03.33 | kspath | debianplanet.org is gone? |
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| 04:04.09 | jamuraa | kspath: hmm, seems to at least be down atm |
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| 04:06.48 | ootput | it's up for me |
| 04:07.35 | kspath | I can not reach it from SBC in Chicago and I can not reach debianplanet.org authoritative primary NS |
| 04:07.55 | kspath | oh well hopefully it will get fix0red |
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| 04:08.23 | kspath | ootput: what is IP you are getting for www.debianplanet.org ? |
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| 04:11.01 | kspath | I will bet their primary NS is messed up and the slave is not working right or at all and various ISPs cached entries for debianplanet.org are expiring/expired |
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| 04:14.22 | dererk | Hi all! |
| 04:14.28 | odla | hi |
| 04:14.58 | dererk | I'm having some issues configures Cached DNS with Bind, could anyone help me? |
| 04:15.59 | dererk | I want to set some local net domains, as foo.com, but I want them to be resolved by Bind, not /etc/hosts... |
| 04:16.41 | dererk | I make it run, but it's like other.foo.com, and not just like foo.com... |
| 04:17.11 | dererk | and I can't figure it out how do it :-\ |
| 04:17.15 | rixth | "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.8178+2.6.15.4-4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/nvidia-settings', which is also in package nvidia-settings" what to do about that? |
| 04:17.46 | Wyzard | rixth: Uninstall nvidia-settings, I guess |
| 04:17.48 | rixth | I get that when running apt-get install -f (as I was told to by apt), but it won't fix itself. |
| 04:18.08 | rixth | Wyzard, I can't, becase apt wants me to run apt-get install -f first |
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| 04:18.17 | Wyzard | rixth: dpkg --purge nvidia-settings |
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| 04:18.18 | odla | rixth: aptitude purge nvidia=settings |
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| 04:18.49 | dererk | odla, hi again :o) |
| 04:18.54 | rixth | Yay! thank you! |
| 04:18.56 | odla | dererk: hi |
| 04:19.19 | angler__ | why does debootstrap say it couldn't download gcc-3.2-base for sarge? |
| 04:19.22 | odla | dererk: i don't know the answer to your question ;( |
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| 04:19.30 | odla | rixth: dpkg or aptitude |
| 04:19.38 | angler__ | tried 3-4 different mirrors |
| 04:19.40 | dererk | odla, No problem... thanks anyone :o) |
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| 04:19.55 | dererk | odla, nice to greet some people :oD |
| 04:19.58 | odla | dererk: someone in here must konw |
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| 04:20.11 | dererk | odla, I hope to :oD |
| 04:20.25 | dererk | odla, who is it going? |
| 04:20.27 | odla | dererk: you need to get here earlier when abrotman is here |
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| 04:20.48 | odla | maybe guerin is around cause he is helpful too |
| 04:20.52 | dererk | odla, got that! I'll take that into account :D |
| 04:21.08 | odla | dererk: abrotman is the #debian guru |
| 04:21.22 | chealer_ | angler__: which debootstrap? gcc 3.2 isn't in sarge, so that's no surprise if debootstrap tries to fetch it |
| 04:21.23 | dererk | odla, Some good samarian would help too :D |
| 04:21.24 | odla | he probably left 20 minutes ago |
| 04:21.33 | dererk | ouch :( |
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| 04:21.39 | dererk | Well |
| 04:21.46 | dererk | Be round here |
| 04:21.46 | odla | dererk: chealer is smart too |
| 04:21.52 | jrattner1 | Does anyone know how to change the font size outputted by html2ps? |
| 04:22.07 | Wyzard | dererk: I'm not sure if I understand what it is that you're trying to do, but it sounds like it might be similar to something I'm doing |
| 04:22.14 | angler__ | chealer_, debootstrap-0.2.23-1 |
| 04:22.39 | dererk | This is Wyzard http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO-3.html. But the example shows |
| 04:22.50 | kspath | I emailed the domain admin for debianplanet.org hopefully it is something simple and they can pay their outstanding bill or whatever |
| 04:22.59 | dererk | something.domain.com, and I need to use domain.com just that |
| 04:23.22 | odla | kspath: i've never heard of debianplanet.org |
| 04:23.22 | chealer_ | angler__: where did you get that version? |
| 04:23.50 | dererk | I was really scared with Bind stuff, but I think I better start looking for O'Reilly Bind books |
| 04:24.09 | Wyzard | dererk: The only "domain.com" I see on that page is a sample line from resolv.conf |
| 04:24.11 | angler__ | chealer_, some redhat rpm.... you think its deboostrap itself? |
| 04:24.19 | kspath | odla: google has a cache of it from Jan 14, 2006 |
| 04:25.07 | chealer_ | angler__: oh. you're not bootstraping from Debian? |
| 04:25.07 | odla | kspath: yeah i just noticed that and i went to check out the website but it must be down? |
| 04:25.07 | dererk | Wyzard, nono, the link I pasted is what I have now, not what I need |
| 04:25.08 | dererk | s/not/no/ |
| 04:25.09 | odla | i want a debian coffee mug |
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| 04:25.18 | angler__ | chealer_, no redhat... trying to get debian |
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| 04:25.23 | dererk | odla, Me too!! :D |
| 04:25.45 | Wyzard | dererk: And you want to create a "domain.com" for which your nameserver is authoritative, and have "domain.com" itself resolve to an IP address? |
| 04:25.50 | kspath | odla: It appears their DNS is messed up. Might be an outstanding bill or something. No idea yet. |
| 04:25.55 | odla | i want a big one too...like 24 oz |
| 04:26.25 | chealer_ | angler__: ok. I guess it's debootstrap, yes. The newest debootstrap is 0.3.3, one that I would expect to successfully install stable sarge is >= 0.2.45 |
| 04:26.41 | dererk | odla, lol, I use metric system, I don't have a near idea of how much is it :PPP |
| 04:26.59 | angler__ | chealer_, ok thanks, i'll give it a try |
| 04:27.14 | dererk | Wyzard, let me explain it in a simple way |
| 04:27.21 | jariep1_ | does anybody know when the sourceforge site will be back up? |
| 04:27.31 | Wyzard | dererk: I do something similar on my router, because my DynDNS names (which resolve to my external IP address) don't work from within the house for firewall reasons, so for in the house I have the router's DNS server respond with the local, internal IP for those names |
| 04:27.57 | Wyzard | dererk: I've found that bind9 lets you put an A record on a zone, though bind8 apparently didn't |
| 04:27.57 | odla | dererk: ffs...learn to think like an american :) |
| 04:28.01 | dererk | Wyzard, Yes! Well Sort of! |
| 04:28.19 | odla | dererk: how about 500 mL coffee mug |
| 04:28.23 | dererk | odla, hehe |
| 04:28.23 | Wyzard | dererk: And it sounds like an A record on a zone is what you're looking for |
| 04:28.40 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:29.00 | dererk | Wyzard, Yes, that's |
| 04:29.07 | dererk | Wyzard, Yes, that's what I need* |
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| 04:29.34 | odla | but i should go to bed soon |
| 04:29.38 | dererk | odla, loool, that toooo much coffee for one mug! |
| 04:29.59 | odla | dererk: never too much coffee for one mug |
| 04:30.07 | dererk | hehehe |
| 04:30.12 | Wyzard | dererk: Are you using bind9? |
| 04:30.12 | odla | dererk: big cups for a big distro |
| 04:30.18 | dererk | Wyzard, so, how did you solve it? |
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| 04:30.24 | dererk | Wyzard, yes, bind9 |
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| 04:30.52 | dererk | odla, I think it's not been build such a big mug yet ! :DD:D:D |
| 04:31.03 | dererk | s/build/built/ |
| 04:31.24 | odla | dererk: i've seen some hug mugs in canada |
| 04:31.34 | odla | dererk: i swear i've seen a litter mug |
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| 04:31.37 | odla | liter |
| 04:31.49 | dererk | odla, dude, it's an expression! Didn't you get it? :o) |
| 04:31.53 | Wyzard | dererk: I created a zonefile with three records: the SOA record with '@' (meaning the name of the zone itself) in the leftmost column, an NS record with nothing (meaning use the same as the previous record) in the leftmost column, and an A record also with nothing in the leftmost column |
| 04:32.09 | Wyzard | dererk: The A record points to the internal IP address of one of my computers |
| 04:32.15 | odla | huh? |
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| 04:32.48 | Wyzard | dererk: Then, in named.conf, I create several zones (of the "foo.dyndns.org" sort, mostly) which all use this one zonefile as their definition |
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| 04:33.47 | Wyzard | dererk: Since the zone file defines its NS and A records in terms of '@' which means whatever zone name it's currently being used with, I can define as many names as I want in named.conf, all using this one small zonefile |
| 04:34.05 | Amarande | odla: yes, I would say CUPS on this machine makes use of quite a large object. :) |
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| 04:36.03 | dererk | Wyzard, nice, do you have a link in which a could see an exaple or something like that? I become a bit dizzy at this hours |
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| 04:36.42 | dererk | odla dererk: big cups for a big distro <---> dererk odla, I think it has not been built such a big mug yet |
| 04:36.55 | dererk | odla, :o) |
| 04:37.30 | slocate | can somebody tell a good server to do testing updates? |
| 04:38.03 | sifi-xz | is there any good educational packages out there for math? |
| 04:38.05 | dererk | slocate, I use apt-setup when I want to test which one runs faster |
| 04:38.18 | slocate | i used apt-spy to figure that out |
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| 04:39.01 | slocate | it keeps giving me http://lyre.mit.edu |
| 04:39.19 | Amarande | i use lyre.mit.edu myself |
| 04:39.25 | slocate | i get a GPG error with that one |
| 04:39.28 | Wyzard | dererk: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1735 |
| 04:39.37 | Amarande | slocate: you're probably missing some keys |
| 04:39.38 | dererk | Wyzard, Cool! Thanks a lot! |
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| 04:39.58 | Amarande | did you install the debian-archive-keyring? |
| 04:40.06 | slocate | nah |
| 04:40.10 | Amarande | and possibly debian-keyring too? |
| 04:40.15 | Amarande | slocate: then do so :) |
| 04:40.20 | Wyzard | dererk: I used the term "overlay" because I use the technique to hide "real" DNS names resolvable on the Internet with local definitions that only apply on my network |
| 04:40.24 | slocate | i haven't updated in a min |
| 04:40.34 | Amarande | you're getting a GPG error probably because you're missing the proper keys |
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| 04:40.38 | ootput | do any of you guys use the grml livecd + the grml-x that it contains? |
| 04:40.49 | slocate | Amarande that's new??? |
| 04:41.03 | ootput | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.05 | dererk | Wyzard, Yes, Yes YesYesYesYesYes that's what I need!!! :D |
| 04:41.09 | Amarande | slocate: yeah, apparently it's a recent new feature in apt |
| 04:41.15 | Wyzard | dererk: btw, there's a nifty package called "resolvconf" that might interest you |
| 04:41.23 | dererk | Wyzard, at first someone has the same troubles than me! |
| 04:41.23 | Amarande | and I think they change the debian keys each year, or something like that |
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| 04:41.26 | trolah | somebody have installed a genius videoCAM Look model on debian? |
| 04:41.27 | Wyzard | dererk: It manages your resolv.conf automatically in a very intelligent way |
| 04:41.30 | dondelelcaro | you don't need the debian-keyring... |
| 04:41.37 | dondelelcaro | although, it doesn't hurt you any to have it |
| 04:42.25 | rixth | Is there anyway to bang an equalizer on GStreamer's output? |
| 04:42.25 | Wyzard | dererk: When your network interface comes up and you get DNS info from DHCP, it'll put that in resolv.conf... then when BIND comes up, it'll take the DNS servers that came from DHCP and tell BIND to use them as forwarders, and add a 127.0.0.1 at the beginning of resolv.conf so you use your local nameserver by default |
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| 04:42.31 | rixth | Or ALSAs output for that matter |
| 04:42.32 | dererk | Wyzard, ok, so far so good, but, what's db.overlay? |
| 04:42.53 | Wyzard | dererk: and then if you stop BIND for some reason, it automatically takes the 127.0.0.1 out of resolv.conf |
| 04:43.17 | Wyzard | dererk: db.overlay is a zone file which defines an A record for whatever zone you point at it in named.conf |
| 04:43.40 | dererk | Wyzard, yes, I know, but what's in there? |
| 04:43.44 | Wyzard | dererk: The 10.1.0.1 in db.overlay is the address that "example1.com" and "example2.org" (in named.conf) will resolve to |
| 04:43.47 | rixth | Should initramfs-tools take a long time on the 'Setting up initramfs-tools' stage? |
| 04:44.10 | Wyzard | dererk: If you're asking about the actual format of the file, you should get a book/tutorial on DNS |
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| 04:46.01 | dererk | Wyzard, forgive me... i'm such a dull man I didn't see "this is db..." "this is in named." sorry |
| 04:46.04 | Wyzard | dererk: I read "DNS & BIND" (O'Reilly) while setting up my configuration |
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| 04:46.14 | Wyzard | dererk: ah... sorry :-) |
| 04:46.25 | dererk | Wyzard, nono, sorry me please! :oS |
| 04:46.39 | dererk | I'm becoming blind seeing |
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| 04:47.04 | dererk | all thouse black years using propierty software made me almost blind |
| 04:47.20 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:47.20 | dererk | God Lord I see the light! |
| 04:47.23 | Jerrik | Hey, I just upgraded to php5.0, and apt-get'd mysqli and ctype. The ini's are there in /etc/php5.0/conf.d, but they don't work. Is there some where I have to add them? |
| 04:47.24 | dererk | :D |
| 04:47.43 | dererk | Wyzard, really dude, thanks a lot! |
| 04:48.11 | Wyzard | dererk: np |
| 04:49.00 | dererk | :o) |
| 04:50.40 | dererk | well It's almost four in the morning.. I better take a nap until work |
| 04:50.47 | dererk | Have a nice day All! |
| 04:50.52 | dererk | Wyzard, and thanks again! |
| 04:51.09 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:51.21 | dererk | :o) |
| 04:51.35 | deadcat | dererk: if you are out, just exit, we dont care... |
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| 04:53.46 | Jerrik | I used apt to install mysqli and ctype and I can't get them to work :S Is there a config file I have to add too? (Google is being no help, except for one on the expertexchange.com, but that makes you pay :S) |
| 04:54.30 | diesel | Is the hotplug package broken in unstable...if I try to apt-get install hotplug, then udev, hal, and some others would be removed. |
| 04:54.56 | mfrisch | diesel: hotplug is removed if you use udev |
| 04:56.44 | diesel | mfrisch: okay...that's fine, however, devices, that once automounted, no longer do. Any suggestions? |
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| 04:57.03 | Wyzard | diesel: What was doing the automounting? |
| 04:57.15 | Wyzard | diesel: Did you have custom scripts in /etc/hotplug.d ? |
| 04:57.31 | diesel | Wyzard: none of the scripts were my own |
| 04:57.50 | diesel | I thought that gnome-volume-manager was doing the automounting |
| 04:57.59 | diesel | that package is still installed |
| 04:58.00 | Wyzard | gnome-volume-manager should still work |
| 04:58.12 | Wyzard | It works for me, running up-to-date everything in sid |
| 04:58.26 | Wyzard | The udev upgrade didn't break it or anything |
| 04:58.28 | dondelelcaro | Jerrik: uh... we don't distribute mysqli or ctype |
| 04:58.41 | diesel | Wyzard: it does for cdroms, but not for ipods or for digital camera devices |
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| 04:59.36 | diesel | Wyzard: the interesting thing is that the ipod will be mounted if I do a complete reboot, but it will not mount if I plug it in while I am in a gnome-session |
| 04:59.58 | dondelelcaro | diesel: what does dmesg say when you do that? |
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| 05:00.11 | kendrick | hello! |
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| 05:00.19 | diesel | dondelelcaro: dmesg recognizes the device just fine |
| 05:00.32 | kendrick | earlier this week i burned a Debian Testing netinstall disc, and it doesn't seem to be working right |
| 05:00.34 | Jerrik | dondelelcaro: Oh. Well would you know how to get the modules to work with php5 by any chance? |
| 05:00.50 | kendrick | when it goes to install the base system, i get a number of errors and then it aborts :^/ |
| 05:01.11 | kendrick | it begins with "Couldn't download package e2fslibs" |
| 05:01.12 | konfuzed | damn my mother had to take half an hour to tell me about the Kama Sutra Worm - ITS Past Midnight everybody hide your mail program |
| 05:01.33 | kendrick | i've tried a number of different debian mirrors, but to no avail.l |
| 05:01.48 | kendrick | is something broken on the servers? or is my disc somehow corrupt??? |
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| 05:02.06 | Amarande | konfuzed: I'm assuming that the Kama Sutra worm only affects Windows machines? |
| 05:02.11 | dondelelcaro | kendrick: give us the full output and the exact command that you're running |
| 05:02.17 | konfuzed | i tried to tell her |
| 05:02.18 | mfrisch | konfuzed: I'm sorry, I too have a computer using mother |
| 05:02.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell kendrick -about bat |
| 05:02.26 | Amarande | Even if you have WINE, I seriously doubt the worm knows how to run itself with WINE. |
| 05:02.31 | kendrick | dondelelcaro - i am installing from a CD |
| 05:02.37 | kendrick | am not manually running any commands... |
| 05:02.37 | konfuzed | mfrisch: thanks man shes likes 65 |
| 05:02.38 | Amarande | Not to mention you'd have to be root for it to be able to pull anything off, too. :) |
| 05:02.41 | kendrick | this is d-i, i guess |
| 05:02.44 | dondelelcaro | kendrick: which cd are you using? |
| 05:02.53 | kendrick | the i386 netinst disc for testing |
| 05:03.13 | dondelelcaro | kendrick: which netinst testing disc? If it's older than a few days, get a new one. |
| 05:03.19 | kendrick | aww crap >:^( |
| 05:03.23 | mfrisch | konfuzed: at least they are trying |
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| 05:03.25 | dondelelcaro | kendrick: the beta 1 won't work unless you drive the apt-key step manually. |
| 05:03.26 | kendrick | yeah, it's less than a week old, but more than a coupla days |
| 05:03.36 | kendrick | beta...huh? apt-key? |
| 05:03.49 | dondelelcaro | kendrick: if it's less than a week old, disregard that last statement. |
| 05:03.49 | konfuzed | ill just eat some more chocolate |
| 05:03.53 | kendrick | :) |
| 05:03.54 | kendrick | ok |
| 05:04.03 | kendrick | i wonder if i scribbed the date on it when i burned it |
| 05:04.22 | dondelelcaro | kendrick: but it's still possible that you got a bad netinst disk, since the nightlies are undergoing rapid development. [it's also possible that the archive has changed enough so that it no longer works.] |
| 05:04.31 | konfuzed | oh no child proof chocolate bar wrapper |
| 05:04.33 | kendrick | that sucks :^/ |
| 05:04.57 | kendrick | ok, i guess i'll go grab a new ISO |
| 05:04.59 | Amarande | uh oh |
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| 05:05.08 | kendrick | (for some reason i did not imagine a netinst disc would ... age... so quickly :) ) |
| 05:05.10 | Wyzard | diesel: Oddly, it isn't working for me either, with either my camera or a USB thumb drive |
| 05:05.19 | dondelelcaro | kendrick: stable doesn't, testing can. |
| 05:05.21 | Amarande | don: does this mean if I run etch, I should regularly download the netinst ISO and burn it in case of need? |
| 05:05.26 | Wyzard | diesel: This is recent breakage, though -- I know the thumb drive, at least, would automount just a few days ago |
| 05:05.30 | Amarande | since I can't expect the one I have to always work? |
| 05:05.30 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: no... |
| 05:05.37 | Wyzard | diesel: udev got upgraded recently... probably a bug in the new version |
| 05:05.47 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: you shouldn't ever need to reinstall. If you do, you're doing something wrong. |
| 05:06.01 | Amarande | don: like in case of HD failure or something. |
| 05:06.19 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: if that happens, and yours has stopped working, you can just get a new one. |
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| 05:06.40 | Amarande | Ahh, that's right, I can always fall back on my Knoppix disc to download it with. |
| 05:06.44 | dondelelcaro | anyway, coffee. Localtime all. |
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| 05:07.02 | kendrick | dondelelcaro - yeah, i guess the last time i installed from cd, it was stable... |
| 05:07.02 | kendrick | my wife runs testing, and i run unstable |
| 05:07.02 | kendrick | but then her HDD started dying. (loose bearing?) so it's time to reinstall |
| 05:07.02 | kendrick | maybe i can do stable, and then apt-get dist-upgrade after base... lemme try |
| 05:07.02 | kendrick | crap, can't do it :) |
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| 05:07.21 | kendrick | uh... how did i just flood??? |
| 05:07.38 | Amarande | kendrick: probably laggy bot |
| 05:07.39 | kendrick | hahaha |
| 05:07.39 | kendrick | laaaame |
| 05:07.44 | Amarande | lagspikes have a habit of getting people kicked for flooding |
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| 05:09.28 | Wyzard | diesel: and it seems to be working for me after restarting udev |
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| 05:10.40 | diesel | Wyzard: hmm, that's interesting...I ran killall gnome-volume-manager; plugged in devices, then I ran gnome-volume-manager and everything was mounted |
| 05:10.53 | Wyzard | diesel: I just did "/etc/init.d/udev restart" |
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| 05:13.48 | Wyzard | hehe... I see a different bug now, though: when I log in on my laptop, I get an "encrypted volume detected" password prompt when no devices are plugged in... apparently in response to noticing my hard drive, which is indeed encrypted but is also already unlocked and mounted |
| 05:14.24 | konfuzed | ok i know its a bit off topic but - Truly dumb, a Distinctive brand logo of "Cote d'Or" chocolate is the Elephant. Now that Kraft bought this Chocolate House in France, it is illegal to display Elephants for crying out loud. So they use these super stickers to wrap the whole package with to hide all the damn elephants and there by seal all the seems. What is this world coming tooooo |
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| 05:14.40 | jrattner1 | How many CD's does it take to install debian? |
| 05:14.40 | kendrick | ok downloading, thx folks :) |
| 05:14.46 | jrattner1 | like im looking at the download torrent pagfe |
| 05:14.51 | kendrick | jrattner1 - only 1 if you have a network :) |
| 05:15.01 | Wyzard | jrattner1: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, all you need is the ~50MB netinst CD |
| 05:15.03 | konfuzed | sorry I couldnt find a chocolate channel anywhere |
| 05:15.10 | kendrick | otherwsie N, where N>=1, depending on what you need |
| 05:15.17 | CompWizrd | jrattner1: two floppies if you have a network connection and a decent network card.. one floppy if you have another pc. |
| 05:15.18 | jrattner1 | is there any advantage of doing one type of install over the other? |
| 05:15.36 | konfuzed | jrattner1: only if you have a purpose for the install in the first p lace |
| 05:15.39 | deadcat | kendrick: did you guys take the linuxpicnic logo contest off the website? one of the guy here wants to design for this year (= |
| 05:15.39 | jrattner1 | I mean is it the same packages |
| 05:15.42 | kendrick | if you don't plan on installing EVERYTHING, getting the base install makes sense |
| 05:15.55 | Wyzard | jrattner1: netinst can be a bit slower because files have to be download from the Internet on-the-fly, but it has the advantage of not taking up lots of CDs |
| 05:16.02 | kendrick | deadcat -hummm.... i dunno! |
| 05:16.04 | konfuzed | then that terms if one approach will give you any advatages over another |
| 05:16.07 | Wyzard | jrattner1: same packages, same result either way |
| 05:16.16 | kendrick | after picnix ends, interest completely dries up :) |
| 05:16.22 | deadcat | hahah |
| 05:16.24 | kendrick | until i start harassing people in feb/mar/apr/may :) |
| 05:16.30 | jrattner1 | perfect |
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| 05:17.23 | kendrick | hehe |
| 05:17.26 | deadcat | kendrick: i took these: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2005/20050814.linux.picnic14/ |
| 05:17.28 | kendrick | you're welcome, jrattner :) |
| 05:17.42 | kendrick | deadcat - uh... i'm in an ssh on an uninstalled debian box :) |
| 05:17.50 | deadcat | doh (= |
| 05:17.52 | kendrick | (i.e., i told d-i to install ssh from the cdrom) |
| 05:18.06 | kendrick | i was gonna check my email (yay for mutt!) while my wife downloads a new ISO on my desktop in the other room |
| 05:18.24 | kendrick | speaking of which, i forgot to run screen, so i guess i gotta go, if i want to check that email ;) |
| 05:18.31 | xaxes|free | l :) |
| 05:18.37 | kendrick | cya 'round! thx again |
| 05:18.41 | kendrick | wish us luck :) |
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| 05:20.30 | mhall_ | yoyo |
| 05:20.46 | mhall_ | anybody used the kalarm app before? |
| 05:20.55 | deadcat | no |
| 05:21.10 | mhall_ | deadcat: hehe |
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| 05:22.35 | secher | OT... who do you need to be in order to register domain names? How does one become a domain name registrar? |
| 05:23.22 | deadcat | secher: i think you have to suck some dicks |
| 05:23.34 | Phated | Prolly take it a few times, too. |
| 05:23.36 | secher | well, that isn't going ot happen |
| 05:23.41 | deadcat | Phated: hahahaha |
| 05:23.53 | Phated | Look, giving head to get ahead. It's happened. |
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| 05:24.04 | deadcat | Phated: the american way |
| 05:24.10 | mhall_ | Phated: In order to rise to the top, be prepared to kiss a lot of the bottom. |
| 05:24.13 | Phated | Heh. You said it, not I :) |
| 05:24.51 | secher | seriously, how does one become a registrar? I was unser the impression that anyone could do it, but the last time I read an RFC was 6 years ago. Hrm. time for some research into internic. |
| 05:24.54 | mhall_ | Phated: even more ubiqitous: giving head to get head |
| 05:25.02 | Phated | Heh. |
| 05:25.10 | chealer_ | Phated: take what? |
| 05:25.17 | deadcat | chealer_: common. |
| 05:25.21 | mhall_ | chealer_: i think she meant intercourse |
| 05:25.26 | Phated | chealer_: "it up the arse" |
| 05:25.28 | deadcat | take it in the ass |
| 05:25.36 | chealer_ | mhall_: haha (top vs bottom) |
| 05:25.41 | mhall_ | chealer_: ;-) |
| 05:25.52 | Phated | "Topped to be top" |
| 05:25.58 | mhall_ | this is mos def #d-ot de jour materiél |
| 05:25.59 | chealer_ | thanks for your explanations |
| 05:26.09 | Phated | mhall_: Don't say it! |
| 05:26.16 | mhall_ | Phated: it |
| 05:26.21 | Phated | AAGH NI |
| 05:26.42 | secher | mhall: that works for cute chicks, saw it personally, and literally, this AA in a company I worked for was under the VPs desk, but the door was cracked.. about 10 of us saw it... 4 months later she was promoted to business analyst. I kid you not. |
| 05:27.19 | deadcat | secher: whats AA? |
| 05:27.26 | Phated | Admin asst. |
| 05:27.27 | mhall_ | secher: the trick is, this happens when it doesn't harm the person getting head to let the other get ahead |
| 05:27.27 | secher | admin. assistant.. |
| 05:27.29 | deadcat | oh |
| 05:27.35 | mhall_ | secher: at a small business i doubt this would occur |
| 05:27.54 | mhall_ | secher: because the owner / managers lose out when they payroll somebody for something they don't do right |
| 05:28.00 | secher | nah, it was a large corp. |
| 05:28.02 | deadcat | mhall_: that would be wrong if its a family business (= |
| 05:28.09 | Phated | *snort* |
| 05:28.14 | secher | LOL |
| 05:28.16 | Phated | The Aristocrats, much? :) |
| 05:28.31 | deadcat | secher: maybe in the south (= |
| 05:28.44 | deadcat | Phated: haha. i dont really get that joke. its sick. but i dont get it |
| 05:28.53 | secher | Oh, jeez.. you know, I've never seen a funny version of that joke. Several truly depraved, but not funny. |
| 05:29.25 | Phated | Who said it had to be funny? Depravity is the point. |
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| 05:29.57 | deadcat | Phated: damn. thats not what the promos here say.. "funniest ..." |
| 05:30.04 | Phated | Nah. |
| 05:30.10 | deadcat | Phated: luckily i downloaded it (= |
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| 05:32.15 | mhall_ | Phated: the aristocrats rocks |
| 05:32.34 | mhall_ | time for bed |
| 05:32.38 | zenwryly | anyone here using offlineimap on a laptop? I'm wondering how its autorefresh option handles a laptop's intermittent connection? |
| 05:32.42 | mhall_ | i have an interview with HP in 11.5 hours |
| 05:33.16 | deadcat | mhall_: remember. give head to be ahead.. or something like that |
| 05:33.26 | Phated | mhall_: Yes, and? :) |
| 05:33.46 | Phated | The Aristocrats. Good, bad. Very good, and very, very bad. |
| 05:33.54 | Amarande | one wonders why VPs give promotions for sexual favors |
| 05:34.02 | Amarande | especially when that probably means she wouldn't be his secretary anymore heh |
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| 05:34.18 | deadcat | Amarande: hahah. good point |
| 05:34.41 | deadcat | Amarande: shouldnt it be just a raise or a bonus? |
| 05:35.01 | Phated | A VP can't take a secretary on a "work trip". A VP can take a co-VP on a "work trip". |
| 05:35.12 | deadcat | ah |
| 05:35.14 | mhall_ | Phated: i'm trying to become a whitehat |
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| 05:35.25 | Phated | mhall_: is that some weird sexual euphemism? |
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| 05:35.30 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 05:35.33 | CompWizrd | mhall: hug whoever built my old hp5700CT |
| 05:35.41 | Amarande | heh, HP |
| 05:35.45 | Amarande | they made my first laser printer |
| 05:35.45 | CompWizrd | i turned it on today, it's running 2.4.25, and was last turned on two years ago |
| 05:35.50 | Amarande | the one I use now is made by Tektronix, though |
| 05:35.52 | CompWizrd | battery is a bit flat though, it's charging up |
| 05:36.05 | rredd4 | !seen weissi |
| 05:36.05 | dpkg | weissi <n=yc@p549FEB03.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 19h 10m 34s ago, saying: 'rredd4: sorry, had a disconnect, does it work??'. |
| 05:36.43 | mhall_ | Phated: a whitehat is a computer security researcher |
| 05:36.50 | mhall_ | CompWizrd: lol, hehe |
| 05:37.03 | mhall_ | Phated: a blackhat is a cracker |
| 05:37.10 | mhall_ | Phated: it comes from western shows in the usa |
| 05:37.15 | Amarande | unfortunately for you, mhall, I'm going to have to say that the Tektronix printer is better than the HP one was. |
| 05:37.21 | deadcat | mhall_: should the white be a cracker? |
| 05:37.35 | mhall_ | deadcat: *no*, white was good and black was villain |
| 05:37.45 | mhall_ | deadcat: but i like the way you think :-) |
| 05:37.51 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:37.56 | Phated | mhall_: Yes, I know, it was a joke. |
| 05:38.08 | mhall_ | deadcat: of all the crackers on earth, i'm the crackest |
| 05:38.16 | deadcat | hahah |
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| 05:38.23 | mhall_ | deadcat: that is mos def true. word is bond, dog. word. is. bond. |
| 05:38.24 | deadcat | cracker, please! |
| 05:38.52 | mhall_ | deadcat: i mean i'm down with all the hivey jivey butter churnin bullshit, but my cracker tricknology is off the hook. |
| 05:39.12 | rss | Hi, how can I search mp3 files through id3 tags? any tool for that? |
| 05:39.12 | deadcat | mhall_: i have no clue what you talking about! |
| 05:39.28 | rredd4 | does sources.list look in sequential order, such as first entry and then the second... to determine where to go? I have currently 13 cd's in my sources.list and when I apt get, it can't find it. Such as netselect |
| 05:39.35 | mhall_ | deadcat: :-D |
| 05:39.51 | mhall_ | deadcat: of all the mothafuckers on earth, you tha mothafuckest |
| 05:39.52 | secher | nice: madehow.com |
| 05:40.09 | deadcat | mhall_: you from the hood? |
| 05:40.10 | mhall_ | rss: i suppose you can fgrep -ir them |
| 05:40.36 | mhall_ | deadcat: no, actually i'm an caucasian atheist libertarian from central california |
| 05:40.46 | mhall_ | deadcat: hence why i'm about as cracker as they come |
| 05:40.51 | deadcat | mhall_: central? where? |
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| 05:40.59 | mhall_ | deadcat: modesto / stockton |
| 05:41.09 | deadcat | mhall_: close by. |
| 05:41.16 | mhall_ | deadcat: where are you |
| 05:41.17 | rss | mhall_: thanks! |
| 05:41.23 | mhall_ | deadcat: atm i'm in roseville |
| 05:41.26 | Amarande | ahh, it's been ages since I've played this game :) |
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| 05:41.28 | mhall_ | rss: i know it's an ugly hack |
| 05:41.37 | mhall_ | rss: but if you're in a hurry it should be good enough ;-) |
| 05:41.39 | deadcat | mhall_: you know wheres diablo valley college? |
| 05:41.47 | rss | mhall_: It works, so it is not ugly :) |
| 05:41.53 | mhall_ | deadcat: yes as a matter of fact; used to have a GF over by it |
| 05:42.06 | deadcat | mhall_: i go there (= |
| 05:42.32 | mhall_ | rss: well, it basically looks for binary patters in every file below the dir you are in until it finds some that match the ascii of your search string |
| 05:42.44 | mhall_ | rss: you could see how this would be bad on a 1TB collection of MP3z |
| 05:43.00 | rredd4 | where can i find a complete idiots manual to apt-get, i am a relatively new to debian and don't seem to find all of the info i want on man pages |
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| 05:43.05 | mhall_ | deadcat: univ. pacific. last semester. |
| 05:43.14 | deadcat | mhall_: just grad? |
| 05:43.27 | mhall_ | deadcat: comp sci major, german minor, BSCS |
| 05:43.35 | deadcat | mhall_: so you gonna be at the linux world expo this year right? |
| 05:43.42 | deadcat | mhall_: damn. fucking nerd (= |
| 05:43.47 | mhall_ | deadcat: i go about every 2-3 years |
| 05:43.54 | mhall_ | deadcat: yes; i'm as cracker as it gets |
| 05:43.54 | deadcat | oh |
| 05:44.02 | mhall_ | deadcat: it's not that i don't want to |
| 05:44.10 | mhall_ | deadcat: shit just always arbitrarily hits the fan |
| 05:44.27 | mhall_ | deadcat: also i'm no big fan of san francisco |
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| 05:44.34 | mhall_ | deadcat: so i prefer it in san jose |
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| 05:44.38 | jrattner1 | Does stable use the 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:44.46 | mhall_ | deadcat: speaking of which have you seen their new downtown library |
| 05:44.49 | mhall_ | deadcat: it's plush |
| 05:44.49 | rss | mhall_: I can only imagine... mine is only handful |
| 05:44.51 | deadcat | mhall_: ya. you should go to the picnic on that weekend then. sunnyvale |
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| 05:45.03 | rredd4 | !seen kevix |
| 05:45.03 | dpkg | kevix <n=kevin@user-2iveal3.dialup.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17h 36s ago, saying: 'time to go....'. |
| 05:45.08 | deadcat | mhall_: MLK? ya.. (= |
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| 05:45.13 | mhall_ | deadcat: they should put it in the fry's parking lot |
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| 05:45.20 | deadcat | hahah |
| 05:45.46 | mhall_ | deadcat: you know what's funny? no other wireless network equipment works as well as off brand fry's does |
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| 05:45.58 | mhall_ | deadcat: people think i make it up when i tell them to buy the fry's noname brand |
| 05:46.14 | deadcat | you mean airlink+ ? |
| 05:46.17 | mhall_ | deadcat: but it never fucks up, totally the opposite of what you'd expect in general, and especially the opposite of fry's |
| 05:46.23 | DaveLib | hello i am running in my sarge tomboy backported from etch |
| 05:46.23 | mhall_ | deadcat: yeah airlink+/101 |
| 05:46.38 | mhall_ | deadcat: their shit is seriously good; my AP even came with 802.1x and RADIUS |
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| 05:46.44 | deadcat | mhall_: ya. i have the usb b/g card. signal is kinna weak though |
| 05:46.51 | DaveLib | i have a question about setting it up regarding directories |
| 05:46.56 | mhall_ | deadcat: get one of their $5 antennas |
| 05:47.02 | secher | Hrm. I have an odd file named '[' in /usr/bin. it's executable. Is there a way I can run it without risking the rest of my system to nefarious activities, sort of like a sandbox? |
| 05:47.02 | mhall_ | deadcat: i have link 6 of them or something |
| 05:47.09 | mhall_ | secher: it's safe |
| 05:47.10 | deadcat | mhall_: this is a thumbdrive size card |
| 05:47.15 | mhall_ | secher: the shell uses it as an operator |
| 05:47.15 | deadcat | hahah |
| 05:47.16 | secher | mhall: what is it? |
| 05:47.19 | mhall_ | secher: read the manual page |
| 05:47.20 | rredd4 | can someone plz help with a sources.list question? |
| 05:47.25 | mhall_ | secher: literally man [ |
| 05:47.33 | mhall_ | secher: it's aliased to test, usually |
| 05:47.37 | deadcat | rredd4: make it a short question then i will read it (= |
| 05:47.39 | secher | Kk. will do just that. |
| 05:47.45 | mhall_ | secher: run file on it, it's likely to be symlink |
| 05:47.58 | mhall_ | another trick, secher |
| 05:48.01 | mhall_ | !tell secher about apt-file |
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| 05:48.05 | rredd4 | does sources.list look at the first entry, then the second or how does it look? |
| 05:48.16 | vivid_ | where is the file sata_sis.c...so i can patch it? |
| 05:48.20 | mhall_ | rredd4: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 05:48.27 | deadcat | rredd4: no clue |
| 05:48.31 | DaveLib | i wanted to possibly try diff distros so i thought of having some kind of home partition i could mount between distros and reboot from distro to distro carrying my user home files with me |
| 05:48.32 | secher | mhall: apt-file returns nothing. |
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| 05:48.54 | mhall_ | secher: yeah it must be placed there on the fly by update-alternatives or something |
| 05:49.03 | DaveLib | then i thought the obvious: a home partition might have a problem |
| 05:49.04 | mhall_ | secher: but anyways the manpage should clear your doubts |
| 05:49.13 | secher | It did, thanks mhall. |
| 05:49.13 | rredd4 | mhall: <package> would be apt or sources.list? |
| 05:49.22 | mhall_ | rredd4: pick some package like libc |
| 05:49.28 | mhall_ | rredd4: then run a policy check on it |
| 05:49.37 | mhall_ | rredd4: this will show what repo gets priority |
| 05:49.49 | mhall_ | rredd4: and from this you can infer the overall priority apt is using |
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| 05:50.00 | DaveLib | install diff versions of apps in diff distros they each might have diff versions of config files in my ~ so dont want to share those between distros |
| 05:50.00 | rredd4 | k |
| 05:50.39 | myren | is there anything you have to do for channel bonding besides set MAC & ip the same on two interfaces? |
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| 05:51.14 | mhall_ | DaveLib: unionfs perhaps |
| 05:51.36 | mhall_ | myren: other end must support it |
| 05:51.43 | mhall_ | myren: and it must be properly configured |
| 05:51.51 | DaveLib | the soln i came up with to this: i make a partition for my personal data (but not config) files then in each of my (same account) home directories i make a directory m (for "me") .... |
| 05:52.00 | DaveLib | mhall: unionfs ? |
| 05:52.01 | mhall_ | myren: or you'd get something like 2 100 mbit connections instead of a 200mbit connection for example |
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| 05:52.25 | mhall_ | DaveLib: lets you have seperate fses all coming out on one path in your tree |
| 05:52.33 | mhall_ | DaveLib: i don't know if it will help; google and decide |
| 05:52.48 | DaveLib | and my own soln anyway: i fstab from ~/m/ to the "me" partition |
| 05:52.50 | mhall_ | DaveLib: it's just an avenue to help you start researching |
| 05:53.02 | DaveLib | mhall: thanks |
| 05:53.09 | mhall_ | DaveLib: also, vmware of course |
| 05:53.48 | DaveLib | anyway i did my own soln namely in debian i fstabbed ~/m/ to that partition and all my data writnng i put into ~/m |
| 05:54.05 | mhall_ | DaveLib: if it works it works; go use your comp |
| 05:54.08 | vivid_ | Wyzard, are you still here?? |
| 05:54.23 | mhall_ | anyways, time to leave |
| 05:54.26 | mhall_ | best of luck to all |
| 05:54.34 | DaveLib | ahh yes mhall: that is an ambitious thing vmware i might get to later |
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| 05:54.46 | mhall_ | secher: btw i thought about the same way about [ when first seeing it |
| 05:54.57 | mhall_ | secher: but i manned it and was like *whew* ;-) |
| 05:55.11 | rredd4 | to use netselect i type netselect in root.. right? |
| 05:55.12 | DaveLib | so this background about ~/m is leading up to the current question |
| 05:55.55 | DaveLib | i just installed tomboy it stores notes writing putting the data into ~/.tomboy |
| 05:55.58 | secher | Oh, cool. it had me a bit worried. through my own negligence I was cracked a few months ago, and I had to completely rebuild my network to get rid of the invasion. I've been paranoid since then. |
| 05:56.33 | DaveLib | so the obvious thing should be reconfig tomboy to make it use ~/m/.tomboy |
| 05:56.55 | DaveLib | but i cant find how to reconfig it help docu is really limited |
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| 05:57.27 | DaveLib | so i came up with a plan before trying it i wanted to say it here if any1 can see anything wrong with this |
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| 05:58.26 | DaveLib | what i might do is put into .profile or maybe .bashrc some1 can maybe tell me which is best ln -s ~/m/.tomboy ~/.tomboy |
| 05:58.50 | DaveLib | and i 1st manully create empty dir ~/m/.tomboy |
| 05:59.01 | DaveLib | then i start tomboy for the 1st time |
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| 05:59.22 | DaveLib | it starts filling the ".tomboy" dir |
| 05:59.23 | secher | Damn, I keep reading some1 as somel, as in L. |
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| 05:59.59 | DaveLib | and it goes where i wanted to m |
| 06:00.31 | DaveLib | and then any other dirsto i put the ln -s into whereever before i first run the local tomboy |
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| 06:00.44 | rabies | how do i update my library paths? im getting a /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgnat-3.4 |
| 06:00.44 | rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.46 | DaveLib | and all the tomboy talk to the same dir |
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| 06:01.34 | rabies | anyone know how to update my library paths? |
| 06:01.44 | DaveLib | would a ln -s like that go into .profile ? |
| 06:01.46 | secher | Hrm, I'm building again, anything badly broken currently? |
| 06:01.53 | secher | whoops, wrong channel.. sorry. |
| 06:03.41 | Paras | room, any way to undelete the files in debian etch box? i deleted one file accidently ! |
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| 06:06.19 | rabies | Paras: yes, only if you use ext2 |
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| 06:06.50 | pink_ | i'm on a dhcp address for my eth0, for whatever reason i'm not gettting the same IP now, i'm wondering if there is a way i can request a specific one from the pool, assuming it's avail? |
| 06:07.04 | Nurbs | Paras: just use the backup |
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| 06:08.08 | Paras | rabies, it's ext3 |
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| 06:08.19 | Paras | Nurbs, no backup :( |
| 06:08.28 | secher | Damn, how do I do a locate for a file, and just one file. I.e., I just want the file "gimp" not every dir that has gimp in the name. |
| 06:08.30 | Nurbs | Paras: was it important? I doubt it :) forget about it :) |
| 06:08.40 | Nurbs | Paras: ext3 doesn't support undelete |
| 06:08.43 | Paras | Nurbs, ok... haha |
| 06:09.09 | secher | s/name/path/ |
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| 06:10.04 | Nurbs | locate -r '/name$' ? |
| 06:10.12 | secher | OH, nm. overlooked it in the man page.. --basename |
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| 06:10.32 | Nurbs | mhm |
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| 06:13.05 | vivid_ | anyone know where i can find out how to patch my sata_sis.c to make a new driver module? |
| 06:13.21 | vivid_ | ive never patched/built modules before |
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| 06:14.57 | RainbowW | anybody know of any quad-head adapters that work under X? |
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| 06:16.16 | secher | LOL.. no SHIT! porn-get is still alive.. LOL |
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| 06:16.31 | secher | http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 06:16.35 | romulo | wow |
| 06:16.36 | romulo | =P |
| 06:16.47 | romulo | hmm is gnome broken? |
| 06:16.51 | romulo | on sid |
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| 06:19.15 | foo | What does debian use as a startup script, like the equivalent of rc.local in gentoo? |
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| 06:20.23 | zebalin7 | foo: do you mean /etc/intit.d ? |
| 06:20.26 | cheal | !tell foo about rc.local |
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| 06:25.24 | CompWizrd | say, what's the official word on booting off a >4 TB array? |
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| 06:27.54 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:27.55 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:28.03 | tarzeau | beautiful http://dump.aeruder.net/hidden/da_bg/ |
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| 06:30.56 | vivid_ | anyone know how to change the version of gcc im compiling with?? |
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| 06:31.23 | vivid_ | ive got gcc-3.4 and gcc-4.0 installed, but i need to use 3.4 instead of 4.0, how do i tell it to use 3.4? |
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| 06:36.13 | myren | how do i grab the second column from a program? |
| 06:36.30 | myren | and how do i mux the column into one line |
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| 06:38.11 | jm_ | awk sed cut perl ... |
| 06:41.03 | myren | wow, cut is almost perfect |
| 06:42.45 | myren | i'm doing dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall |
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| 06:43.10 | myren | awh frak it, nm |
| 06:43.54 | Nurbs | ehm, right, it was deinstall not purge I think, mhm. |
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| 06:46.22 | myren | yeah |
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| 06:46.42 | myren | how do i mux the results into a single line? |
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| 06:47.16 | Agrajag_ | is there any advantage or risk to turing the FSB frequency in the bios up from 200 to 300 |
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| 06:47.18 | Agrajag_ | ? |
| 06:47.43 | jm_ | mux as in join? |
| 06:47.56 | jm_ | Agrajag-: are you joking? |
| 06:48.11 | Agrajag_ | jm_: no |
| 06:48.21 | jm_ | Agrajag_: ok, just don't do it |
| 06:48.23 | myren | jm_: yeah |
| 06:48.23 | fooz | hmm, i need to find a single board computer with power usage similar to my cell phone |
| 06:48.29 | jm_ | myren: delete the newlines |
| 06:48.29 | fooz | i don't know what to search for |
| 06:48.40 | myren | err... oh. :-] |
| 06:49.11 | wumpo | is there a command line gui to reconfigure my network? |
| 06:49.15 | jm_ | or rather, replace them with spaces |
| 06:49.24 | jm_ | wumpo: etherconf |
| 06:49.25 | fooz | ah, think i found one. i'm gonna build a car PC |
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| 06:49.43 | bushito | where could i get xlibs-dev? |
| 06:50.32 | Amarande | People think TCPA will be the end of Linux. |
| 06:50.40 | Agrajag_ | TCPA? |
| 06:50.46 | Amarande | Trusted Computing |
| 06:50.55 | Amarande | the doomsday statements seem to be FUD, though |
| 06:51.03 | Amarande | now granted, it can be abused |
| 06:51.06 | Amarande | but then, so can computers. |
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| 06:52.05 | Nurbs | it's better to think about it than to ignore it |
| 06:54.08 | Amarande | I'm more concerned about whether the recent spike in native support for Linux, especially among games (Neverwinter Nights, Doom 3, Unreal Tournament 2004 etc.) is a positive sign of things to come, or just a temporary bone thrown to us. Which we have no way of knowing. |
| 06:55.16 | myren | UT2004 doesnt use TCPA... |
| 06:55.30 | myren | oh, sorry, little crossfire in the neural pathways |
| 06:55.37 | Eclipser | I'll cry if Neverwinter Nights 2 won't have native linux support and ESPECIALLY support for the movies in linux officially :p |
| 06:55.49 | Amarande | Well, the worries are that TCPA will eventually force people to run Windows. |
| 06:55.58 | Eclipser | what's TCPA? |
| 06:55.59 | nevyn | TCPa? |
| 06:56.01 | Amarande | Or at least a non-free OS (Solaris, perhaps). |
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| 06:56.27 | myren | trusted computing, hardware which prevents software from snooping on or meddling with other software |
| 06:56.29 | Garda | why could trusted computing hurt linux |
| 06:56.33 | Garda | or any other FOSS os |
| 06:56.52 | Amarande | Garda: The FUD is that eventually only a 'trusted' OS will be allowed to boot |
| 06:56.59 | nevyn | because it could actually work. |
| 06:57.00 | Amarande | or that applications not 'trusted' won't be allowed to run |
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| 06:57.11 | nevyn | Amarande: that's not gonna happen |
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| 06:57.17 | Amarande | which is, really, FUD. Even Microsoft has stated that even Palladium won't interfere with existing software. |
| 06:57.24 | myren | the real problem is that more and more software is going to start running on trusted computing platforms and linux is going to be even more out of the loop |
| 06:57.26 | Eclipser | Amarande, that would make a monopoly for MS which I think is forbidden by laws in most countries |
| 06:57.37 | nevyn | Amarande: but... what might happen is that hddvd won't play on an untrusted stack |
| 06:57.57 | anonymous865 | is it possible to make my .bash_history remember more stuff? |
| 06:58.03 | myren | exactly, you wont be able to use an hd-dvd in linux since the cdrom unit wants a TCPA platform to run on |
| 06:58.04 | Amarande | yah, some things like emulation and DVD playing will probably have this habit of not working on newer stuff |
| 06:58.08 | nevyn | anonymous865: yes |
| 06:58.11 | anonymous865 | how? |
| 06:58.29 | Amarande | myren: more like the hd-dvd content will be an encrypted blob |
| 06:58.36 | Amarande | linux will only be able to see "this is a big chunk of data" |
| 06:58.41 | rabies | its kinda funny...everything thats secure only works on windows |
| 06:58.49 | anonymous865 | ha! |
| 06:58.50 | rabies | o_O |
| 06:58.57 | Garda | lol |
| 06:59.01 | myren | encrypted blocks are crackable. one person leaves their firmware a little vulnerable and whoop! theregoes! |
| 06:59.02 | Amarande | though hopefully this time the DVD player software people will come around to their senses and sell the Linux versions publicly |
| 06:59.15 | Amarande | instead of only sell them to OEMs like they've done so far |
| 06:59.17 | nevyn | anonymous865: poke these env vars HISTFILE=/home/nevyn/.bash_history |
| 06:59.17 | nevyn | HISTFILESIZE=500 |
| 06:59.17 | nevyn | HISTSIZE=500 |
| 06:59.20 | Nurbs | myren: it's getting harder and you still can't do it legally. |
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| 06:59.26 | rabies | secure... |
| 06:59.29 | rabies | night all |
| 06:59.31 | anonymous865 | thanks nevyn |
| 06:59.31 | myren | DVD-Jon was right, encrypted systems arent there to stop piracy. they're there to make sure you cant fast forward through commercials. |
| 06:59.49 | Garda | so true |
| 06:59.52 | myren | Thats why CSS (of DeCSS fame) was invented |
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| 06:59.58 | Eclipser | Nurbs, all encryptions are crackable and who gives a shit about legalities if there's no other way to see the movie for example |
| 07:00.04 | myren | But eventually hollywood is going to get really fucking sick of that |
| 07:00.07 | Nurbs | Eclipser: oh well |
| 07:00.21 | Garda | but yea. cos anyone can easily rip a dvd now and copy it |
| 07:00.37 | Garda | yet studios still sell basically every dvd with css |
| 07:00.51 | Amarande | there's also FUD saying you won't be able to shop online eventually unless you run a compliant OS |
| 07:00.53 | myren | How is NVidia going to certify themselves HMDI compliant? With pci-express, we can just render our DVD's to a fake display and stream that info back to the hard drive in digital, no loss of quality |
| 07:00.53 | Garda | it's so stupid |
| 07:01.06 | myren | that why trusted computing is needed |
| 07:01.07 | Eclipser | Amarande, that's so stupid really |
| 07:01.11 | myren | to lock down our systems from us |
| 07:01.38 | anonymous865 | who cares about movies anyways |
| 07:01.45 | anonymous865 | i dont |
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| 07:01.51 | Eclipser | that's like saying "you must buy this and this hardware and software or else you can't do a thing!" |
| 07:01.52 | Amarande | well, the general idea of trusted computing pretty much is "if you create data, it's your data, and you should be able to keep your data private even if it gets off your computer" |
| 07:01.57 | Garda | i've read heaps of stallmann's stuff on this |
| 07:02.01 | Eclipser | it's enforcing people to use certain stuff... |
| 07:02.02 | Garda | it's about heaps more than computers |
| 07:02.09 | Garda | movies i mean |
| 07:02.12 | Eclipser | capitalists... pft |
| 07:02.25 | Garda | it's about making your computer belong to somebody else |
| 07:02.28 | Amarande | a trusted encrypted blob is supposed to be equally protected whoever makes it |
| 07:02.38 | Eclipser | Garda, like everything else you might have had before |
| 07:02.50 | Eclipser | companies just want to sell rights to use their product |
| 07:02.52 | Coke | Mmmm. Capital tastes good. |
| 07:02.55 | Eclipser | not really sell the product itself |
| 07:03.02 | Amarande | people complain about DRM, but on the other hand |
| 07:03.09 | Garda | well exactly |
| 07:03.10 | Amarande | have you ever encrypted anything with GPG, for instance? |
| 07:03.21 | Amarande | if you've encrypted any files with GPG, then you've used DRM |
| 07:03.21 | Eclipser | no :p |
| 07:03.23 | myren | DRM relies on some kind of stored key system though, you have to verify whether or not you can play something form a self-contained non-internet connected product |
| 07:03.30 | myren | the key to play it is contained in the DVD player |
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| 07:03.45 | Amarande | you've made it so only people who have the appropriate key can use your files. that's pretty much DRM, no? |
| 07:03.51 | myren | the idea that you cant extract that key... |
| 07:03.56 | Coke | Amarande: it's a huge difference between the ideas of controlling usage and keeping your private life private. |
| 07:04.13 | Garda | GPG is different. GPG is about protecting your privacy and hence your safety. |
| 07:04.37 | Garda | DRM is about greedy companies trying to exploit technology to drain every last dollar they can from you |
| 07:04.38 | Eclipser | in the end it's just another way for the companies to make money by restricting usage and selling extra rights or something |
| 07:04.58 | Coke | Eclipser: it is within their rights. If you disageree on their terms, then don't buy it. |
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| 07:05.09 | Eclipser | Coke, I don't :p |
| 07:05.17 | Coke | Excellent. Then everybody's happy. |
| 07:05.18 | bushito | when a file is downloaded ./(name of file) where can i find it?? |
| 07:05.26 | Coke | bushito: . |
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| 07:05.40 | Amarande | In fact, it would be quite easy to use GPG's technology to implement some sort of DRM, since the security is in the encryption keys, not the software itself. |
| 07:05.43 | Coke | the single dot symbolizes your current directory |
| 07:05.51 | Amarande | Maybe that's why Stallman is so concerned about it for GPL3. |
| 07:06.08 | Coke | Amarande: yes, and a golf club can be used to kill people, but they don't sell golf clubs in weapons stores |
| 07:06.10 | bushito | Coke: i dont know where could that be =/ |
| 07:06.22 | Coke | bushito: your current working path |
| 07:06.39 | Coke | bushito: the "active" directory, where you "stand"/"roam" |
| 07:06.41 | bushito | Coke: i am in console =O and downloaded it from elinks so i am not really sure |
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| 07:06.55 | jm_ | just run ls -lrt |
| 07:06.55 | Coke | bushito: unless you changed directory you are in that directory |
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| 07:07.05 | Coke | bushito: the directory where you are currently operating from. |
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| 07:07.22 | bushito | Coke oh okey i found it xD thx |
| 07:07.22 | Eclipser | my dad once said that if you're equiped to be rapist then you're as good as guilty |
| 07:07.41 | Eclipser | (related to the DRM thing) |
| 07:07.52 | Coke | Eclipser: so that would make me a rapist? I don't buy it. |
| 07:07.58 | Garda | what does that mean exactly |
| 07:08.10 | Garda | if you have a cock you're a rapist? |
| 07:08.15 | anonymous865 | ha! |
| 07:08.28 | Coke | (I am equiped with the tools, but I lack the incentive) |
| 07:08.51 | Eclipser | basically, it was related to the fact that if you have software which can be used for decryption/cracking/copying then you're guilty |
| 07:08.59 | anonymous865 | pfft |
| 07:09.21 | Garda | i sencond that motion --> pfft |
| 07:09.59 | Coke | Eclipser: you are what you DO, not what you say or what you own |
| 07:09.59 | bushito | Coke do you know where could i find xlibs-dev?? |
| 07:10.10 | Coke | bushito: sure, in the xlibs-dev package. |
| 07:10.15 | Coke | bushito: apt-get install xlibs-dev |
| 07:10.24 | Eclipser | they forbid any organized conversation about copy protections and cracking them in finland by law too... |
| 07:10.37 | bushito | Coke: mmm are you sure?? |
| 07:10.57 | Coke | bushito: it's what it says in my system. I run Debian testing. |
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| 07:11.06 | bushito | Coke i am running sid =O |
| 07:11.12 | Coke | bushito: should be the same. |
| 07:11.18 | Coke | or rather, _could_' |
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| 07:11.24 | bushito | Coke okey i found it XD, and do you know where could find this one |
| 07:11.31 | secher | after looking at HST photographs, I, feeling very insignificant indeed, am going to go to bed and hide from the enormity of it all. Night. |
| 07:11.32 | Coke | bushito: no more questions now. |
| 07:11.40 | Coke | bushito: you have to learn your system if you want to use it. |
| 07:11.41 | bushito | Coke: the last one =D |
| 07:11.56 | bushito | Coke i really wanna get e17 =O |
| 07:11.59 | Coke | bushito: apt-cache search <expr> will search in package descriptions, use it wisely. |
| 07:12.11 | Eclipser | e17 is still alpha, isn't it? |
| 07:12.17 | secher | bushito: google for shadoi |
| 07:12.24 | secher | bushito: join #e |
| 07:12.33 | bushito | ?? okey |
| 07:12.39 | Coke | bushito: besides, that is not available in testing, so I would not be able to verify how to do it, sorry. |
| 07:12.42 | Zugschlus | Gnea: what can sa-exim do better than exim itself? |
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| 07:13.05 | Garda | Eclipser: does that mean this conversation is illegal in finland? |
| 07:13.09 | anonymous865 | later yall |
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| 07:13.13 | secher | Eclipser: yes, but very functional, as long as you don't mind a few glitches.. I highly recommend it to enlightenment fans and developers. |
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| 07:13.25 | Coke | bushito: in either case, it sounds like you need to read a bit on how to manage debian from a shell. |
| 07:13.26 | Agrajag_ | quit |
| 07:13.31 | Eclipser | secher, I'll wait until its in testing :p |
| 07:13.41 | Coke | bushito: first time with GNU/Linux? |
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| 07:13.45 | secher | Eclipser: you've got quite a wait. |
| 07:13.55 | Eclipser | secher, I don't mind, I'm happy with my xfce4 |
| 07:13.59 | zebalin7 | Q: when do you expect that 3.5 would hit testing? month? six? year? |
| 07:14.07 | zebalin7 | What is usuall lag time between sid and testing when it comes to kde vers? |
| 07:14.08 | Eclipser | Garda, I'm not really sure where they draw the line |
| 07:14.11 | bushito | Coke: yeah |
| 07:14.21 | systemadmin | i am trying to upgrade to kernel 2.6 from 2.4 when i reboot i get this error cannot blla dev/console no such file |
| 07:14.30 | Amarande | zebalin7: possibly not even till after etch comes out |
| 07:14.31 | Coke | jm_: have you already grown tired of the freedom, rms and copyright debates, hmm? :) |
| 07:14.32 | Amarande | actually |
| 07:14.33 | bushito | Coke: it is hard for me to understand this but i am trying my best =O |
| 07:14.35 | Amarande | speaking of etch's release |
| 07:14.40 | estupendocero | is there any way to have multiple logins for one account? i.e. both usernames alexander and akraft share a home directory and config files etc? |
| 07:14.50 | Coke | bushito: I think starting with Debian is a bad idea. |
| 07:15.00 | Eclipser | Garda, some people in finland had #organizedconversation channel and then reported themselves to the police with the logs and stuff |
| 07:15.02 | Amarande | are there certain milestones that the Debian project wants to make sure to reach before it comes out? |
| 07:15.05 | zebalin7 | Amarande: I thought it would be sooner. No big deal. |
| 07:15.21 | Amarande | like will the etch release be held back until, e.g., a particular version of KDE makes it in? |
| 07:15.28 | Eclipser | Garda, the police is investigating it now |
| 07:15.40 | Eclipser | they want a precedent for the law |
| 07:16.06 | Coke | Eclipser: if I'm not mistaken, any type of reverse engineering is a crime in the US. |
| 07:16.11 | Coke | (federal) |
| 07:16.11 | Eclipser | finnish system is becoming like the one in US... first there's law and then they decide if the law is valid and what kind of punishment there is in court |
| 07:16.13 | Garda | lol. that is so funny |
| 07:16.39 | Coke | Eclipser: it's the EU's fault. more fat cats in that the lobbyists can make fatter. |
| 07:16.45 | Garda | so say what compaq did with the pc in the 80s is illegal now? |
| 07:16.49 | Eclipser | Coke, yeah |
| 07:17.08 | Coke | Politicians serve themselves, just like royalty did before them and religious leaders before them. |
| 07:17.08 | systemadmin | anyone ever get the erro when upgrading kernels? |
| 07:17.19 | deadcat | no |
| 07:17.23 | Coke | systemadmin: THE error? sounds serious. |
| 07:17.35 | Coke | not just any error, but the error. |
| 07:17.36 | estupendocero | New question: If I were to hardlink all the files in two users' home directories and other relevant config files, would it functionally make two names for the same user, or am I missing something completely? |
| 07:17.45 | Garda | what if the conversation is hosted on an irc server in another country |
| 07:17.53 | Eclipser | Garda, hehe |
| 07:17.58 | systemadmin | Coke : cannot find dev/console the kernel panics |
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| 07:18.16 | karsten | systemadmin: Got a /dev/console in your '/dev' before mounting udev? |
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| 07:18.23 | Amarande | Garda: This is why lawyers get rich. |
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| 07:18.36 | Eclipser | the current system is very much flawed |
| 07:18.36 | Amarande | Because the law is such an indecipherable morass, especially when cross-jurisdictional lines are involved. |
| 07:18.51 | Eclipser | then they whine how rich get richer and the poor get more poor |
| 07:18.55 | systemadmin | karsten : yes |
| 07:19.05 | Coke | systemadmin: are you using udev or old-style fs nodes? |
| 07:19.20 | systemadmin | Coke : dont know, how do i find out? |
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| 07:19.40 | Eclipser | -> daily soap opera |
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| 07:19.48 | karsten | estupendocero: You can do that, it's generally _not_ recommended for non system accounts. man (5) passwd. See sashroot for an example. |
| 07:19.55 | Coke | systemadmin: perhaps karsten can help you? :) |
| 07:19.58 | karsten | systemadmin: Where's that happening? At boot? |
| 07:20.09 | systemadmin | karsten : yes |
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| 07:20.32 | karsten | systemadmin: ... usually this means you aren't finding your root filesystem, can't recognize the filesystem type, or are lacking the device files (more usually w/ RH/SuSE/FC and stuff like Xen). |
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| 07:20.47 | karsten | systemadmin: Sort from there. |
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| 07:21.08 | Coke | Has there been an increase in first time GNU/Linux users going with Debian? |
| 07:21.50 | tugrussel | I cannot connect remotely to a mysql server in my debian machine from my windows machine...not an authentication problem rather a connection problem...does anyone have any clue? |
| 07:21.50 | systemadmin | karsten : well do i need to do anything to upgrade to 2.6 from 2.4 ? |
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| 07:22.09 | systemadmin | karsten : like install other packages besides new kernel? |
| 07:22.39 | Coke | tugrussel: where did you bind your mysql server? |
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| 07:23.23 | Coke | tugrussel: it is probably set to 127.0.0.1 for default, if it has TCP at all. |
| 07:23.28 | tugrussel | Coke, I think I just got it didnt know debian disabled tcpip |
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| 07:24.01 | Coke | tugrussel: safety reasons, so that n00bs don't install a database that is hackable from the LAN/WAN |
| 07:24.02 | karsten | systemadmin: That should be handled by your deps if you're using Debian packages. |
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| 07:24.11 | karsten | systemadmin: ... a few things change including modutils and IIRC pstools. |
| 07:24.17 | eeyore- | tugrussel: most of the time you don't need tcp/ip for mysql |
| 07:24.26 | ian__ | can someone help me with a weird apache2 php issue? |
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| 07:24.28 | Coke | tugrussel: Debian has very few security holes when using default settings. |
| 07:24.35 | iskorptix | how do i do a distro upgrade ? |
| 07:24.44 | ian__ | I have my php mysql packages installed but they don't work when php is run through apache2 |
| 07:24.52 | Coke | iskorptix: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:25.00 | iskorptix | coke ty |
| 07:25.01 | eeyore- | ian__: edit php.ini file(s) |
| 07:25.11 | ian__ | where are they in debian? |
| 07:25.18 | eeyore- | ian__: find /etc -name "php*.ini" |
| 07:25.22 | Coke | ian__: all configuration files are under /etc |
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| 07:25.35 | tugrussel | Coke, can I bind multiple adresses something like bind-address 127.0.0.1 172.* ? |
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| 07:25.46 | Coke | ian__: and that's the way it should be on any system worth using. |
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| 07:26.02 | Coke | tugrussel: I don't know about MySQL's support for that. |
| 07:26.08 | ian__ | oh well, I'm on a mac right now |
| 07:26.19 | eeyore- | eeew. unclean. unclean. |
| 07:26.26 | Coke | ian__: like I said, any system worth using. |
| 07:26.26 | ian__ | lol, the server is debian |
| 07:26.41 | ian__ | anyway, I've got /etc/php4 |
| 07:26.52 | ian__ | and theres directories apache apache2 cli and cgi |
| 07:26.55 | ian__ | all with php.ini files |
| 07:27.01 | eeyore- | ian__: edit all of them |
| 07:27.04 | ian__ | is the apache2 or the cgi one being used? isn't that redundant? |
| 07:27.11 | eeyore- | ian__: they are used for different invocations of php |
| 07:27.16 | ian__ | alright |
| 07:27.19 | Coke | ian__: apache2 if you're using PHP as a module for Apache |
| 07:27.30 | ian__ | the problem is that from the cli the mysql stuff is loaded, but from apache it isn't |
| 07:27.34 | Coke | ian__: _I_ think that what you need to do is pretty obvious from the names. |
| 07:27.39 | ian__ | yeah |
| 07:27.45 | eeyore- | ian__: there may be times when you cron a php script. if you forget to edit the "cli" version, then you'd wonder why you don't have mysql support |
| 07:27.45 | Coke | ;) |
| 07:27.49 | ian__ | is there a command line thing to find what lines are different? |
| 07:27.55 | Coke | ian__: diff |
| 07:28.05 | ian__ | thx |
| 07:28.08 | Coke | ian__: but I would recommend searching for "mysql" in the ini file |
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| 07:28.11 | eeyore- | dolby |
| 07:28.25 | ian__ | wtf wouldn't they just have one ini file though? seems so bs |
| 07:28.29 | Coke | eeyore-: suround? |
| 07:28.29 | ian__ | I'm used to perl, simpler config |
| 07:28.40 | ian__ | well, no config, but you get the idea |
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| 07:28.52 | Coke | ian__: because there is a different installation for PHP for Apache 1.3, 2.0, as CGI and as CLI. |
| 07:28.59 | Coke | ian__: you _might_ want them to differ. |
| 07:29.33 | ian__ | but by default, why not just sym link them? |
| 07:29.34 | eeyore- | ian__: you can make a flexible system behave inflexibly. however, you can't make an inflexible system behave flexibly. |
| 07:29.43 | Coke | ian__: use perl instead then. I can also recommend using SCGI together with Python or Ruby. |
| 07:29.52 | ian__ | no, i'm running joomla |
| 07:29.52 | eeyore- | ian__: bingo. you *can*, if that's what you want. that's not what most people would want, though. |
| 07:30.00 | ian__ | I'd love to see it ported to perl, but I'm sure not doing it |
| 07:30.12 | Coke | SCGI? |
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| 07:30.23 | ian__ | whats scgi? |
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| 07:30.42 | ian__ | ok, in the cli version I have some mysql.value = something liens, and then a extension=mysql.so after that |
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| 07:30.49 | Coke | ian__: http://search.cpan.org/~vipercode/SCGI-0.4/lib/SCGI.pm |
| 07:30.53 | ian__ | is the extension=mysql.so, thats what loads it? |
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| 07:31.14 | dominicano | !seen dvm |
| 07:31.15 | dpkg | dvm <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6h 37m 23s ago, saying: 'beardy: :-) after a good job with others, yes'. |
| 07:31.15 | eeyore- | i can't deal with perl ... |
| 07:31.23 | dominicano | !seen dvm1981 |
| 07:31.23 | dpkg | dvm1981 <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 8h 8m 1s ago, saying: 'fhffhqvb: Need to take a break ?'. |
| 07:31.28 | ian__ | eeyore: why not? |
| 07:31.30 | dominicano | !seen dvm1981_ |
| 07:31.30 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dvm1981_', dominicano |
| 07:31.31 | Coke | ian__: it is a way to move your web applications out of the Apache process into a separate process. That means you could potentially have each app in a separate process or even redundant processes for safety. |
| 07:31.52 | eeyore- | ian__: it's incompatible with my brain |
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| 07:32.03 | Besack | any know of a good howto for getting tvout working with Nvidia cards? |
| 07:32.06 | ian__ | eeyore: lol, it has that effect on some people |
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| 07:32.13 | ma3x | what's the best way to wipe free space? |
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| 07:32.22 | tarzeau | ma3x: /var/log |
| 07:32.26 | ma3x | I wanna return a HD to a shop, so I wanna protect (erase) all my data |
| 07:32.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: /home/others, apt-get clean |
| 07:32.30 | ian__ | ma3x: wipe? secure wipe or what? |
| 07:32.32 | Amarande | I take it nVidia cards don't automatically recognize that you wanna do TV out just by there being a cable plugged in there. |
| 07:32.36 | tarzeau | ma3x: dd |
| 07:32.40 | eeyore- | ma3x: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/foo bs=512, wait a while :-) |
| 07:32.44 | ian__ | ma3x: Ii know a doze utility for that... |
| 07:32.52 | dvm | dominicano: Yes |
| 07:32.54 | ma3x | eeyore-, just one time? |
| 07:34.43 | ian__ | I bet you can do it form knoppix or something like that |
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| 07:34.43 | Besack | Amarande: i have both a monitor and tv attached, but it defaults to the monitor once it loads X |
| 07:34.46 | eeyore- | ma3x: more if you want :-) seriously, what are you doing that would warrant this? |
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| 07:35.21 | Coke | ian__: SCGI is the way to do it if you want less headache managing your web applications. |
| 07:35.21 | dvm | wow, everyone disconected |
| 07:35.21 | Besack | Amarande: i have both a monitor and tv attached, but it defaults to the monitor once it loads X |
| 07:35.21 | Garda | what just happened |
| 07:35.22 | ma3x | eeyore-, what you mean? warrant what? |
| 07:35.22 | eeyore- | Garda: it's called a "netsplit". that's when one server splits from the network. looks like people are leaving, which, in effect, they are. |
| 07:35.22 | dvm | dominicano: I try to use the same nick as possible, is there a problem ? |
| 07:35.22 | sanxiyn | Coke: SCGI? |
| 07:35.22 | ma3x | is it not good idea to dd if=/dev/zero? |
| 07:35.22 | ma3x | is that not random? |
| 07:35.22 | dvm | dominicano: Yesterday, i have installed an old P1 with Debian ! :-) |
| 07:35.23 | ian__ | coke: what does it do? |
| 07:35.23 | ma3x | dvm, and? |
| 07:35.26 | eeyore- | ma3x: what's the purpose of /dev/zero? |
| 07:35.29 | ma3x | dvm, how did it go, it runs well? |
| 07:35.31 | ian__ | coke: cms? apache mod for faster stuff? what general area are we talking here? |
| 07:35.35 | ma3x | eeyore-, I dunno, zeros? |
| 07:35.46 | eeyore- | ma3x: bingo. does that sound random to you? :-) |
| 07:35.54 | ian__ | cat /dev/zeros > /dev/null |
| 07:35.56 | dvm | ma3x: It runs verry well, im verry happy that my old computer runs again :-) |
| 07:35.56 | myren | my ^C is now literally writing ^C to the screen instead of sending the control-c interrupt to programs, anyway to fix this wihtout bailing out of that shell? |
| 07:36.02 | Amarande | wow, lilo sent a global |
| 07:36.14 | Amarande | isn't it a bit late at night for us Americans to be up? :) |
| 07:36.29 | eeyore- | myren: stty intr <control-v><control-c> |
| 07:36.29 | ma3x | eeyore-, even if it writes 00's to the disk, that's a good idea, no? it won't be recoverable after |
| 07:36.34 | myren | Amarande: nope. i've turned into a night own |
| 07:36.34 | ian__ | myren: try running reset? that clears the screen, resets a lot of stuff |
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| 07:36.50 | myren | yyaay, thanks gent's |
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| 07:37.04 | eeyore- | ma3x: it's conceivable someone could recover data, but it'd be expensive |
| 07:37.06 | dvm | ma3x: Without M$ 95, the computer was not more running... and that fore manny months because nothing more go on that, but Debian work verry well :-) |
| 07:37.27 | eeyore- | ian__: not for "break" |
| 07:37.37 | L33TrDaNu | hey all, i am installing exim4 on my box and my conf still has a bunch of DEBCONF macros defined... i tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4 to get a setup dialog (as i got with exim3), but no takes. any ideas? |
| 07:37.43 | ma3x | eeyore-, so what should I do, so that it won't be recoverable? or is it always recoverable? |
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| 07:38.12 | Amarande | ma3x: you must travel to the land of Mordor and throw the HD into the fires of Mt. Doom |
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| 07:38.17 | ma3x | dvm, that's great, you could use that pc for raid or something |
| 07:38.19 | Amarande | okay, too much LOTR |
| 07:38.20 | jm_ | l33td;apt-cache search exim4 config |
| 07:38.23 | eeyore- | ma3x: if you have something on it that would send you to jail for years/decades (i don't wanna know) then yeah, you might worry about it |
| 07:38.24 | ma3x | Amarande, ha |
| 07:38.25 | ian__ | the corperate level data security suggests you run the disk through a device like a paper shredder, but for hard drives |
| 07:38.27 | jm_ | too l33t for me it seems |
| 07:38.28 | dominicano | dvm, really? |
| 07:38.29 | Amarande | but seriously, the only way to make an HD really unrecoverable is to melt it, pretty much |
| 07:38.39 | dominicano | dvm, how it was? |
| 07:38.41 | ma3x | eeyore-, so how the fuck you wipe data? NO WAY? |
| 07:38.41 | Amarande | and I'm sure a volcano would do :) |
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| 07:38.52 | L33TrDaNu | jm_: thx |
| 07:38.53 | ian__ | ma3x: you can physicaly destroy the drive, but you said you want to return it? |
| 07:38.56 | eeyore- | ma3x: use a BFH and incinerate it? |
| 07:39.01 | dominicano | dvm, i were seek you a long time ago |
| 07:39.06 | ma3x | eeyore-, whats BFH? |
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| 07:39.15 | L33TrDaNu | Amarande: i thought the lotr was funny ;) |
| 07:39.30 | ma3x | ian__, I dont want to destroy it, I want to erase everything on it, so noone can recover it |
| 07:39.55 | dvm | dominicano: It work verry well, i not run KDE or Gnome on that, i run 'openbox' on it. Verry nice, im happy, its the old and first computer of my wife some years ago, so she is happy that his old computer run always, and run good :-) |
| 07:40.05 | eeyore- | ma3x: someone can recover it given enough time and money |
| 07:40.07 | fireba11 | ma3x: there are tools to overwrite everything with zeros and ones a couple times ... |
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| 07:40.38 | ma3x | fireba11, and after that there is no way to recover it, right/ |
| 07:40.39 | fireba11 | ma3x: but for high-grade military stuff for example they just destroy the HDs to be sure :-) |
| 07:40.46 | ma3x | fireba11, really? |
| 07:40.48 | dvm | dominicano: And you man, als things fine ? And you're system ? Happyer than yesterday ? ;-) |
| 07:40.54 | fireba11 | ma3x: yes |
| 07:40.56 | eeyore- | ma3x: but if you write over the drive often enough, with sufficiently random-enough data, it will be extremely hard to recover |
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| 07:41.09 | dominicano | dvm, does she know some of linux_? |
| 07:41.13 | eeyore- | ma3x: so, that's why writing with zeros once is probably a stupid idea *if* you are paranoid |
| 07:41.26 | ian__ | ma3x: http://www.linux-forensics.com/forensics/pensleuth.html |
| 07:41.26 | ma3x | I thought there are some methods like US DOS, that writes random stuff 7 times, and then there is no way to recover it |
| 07:41.30 | ian__ | includes a utility called wipe |
| 07:41.35 | ma3x | eeyore-, how about writing with zeros 7 times? |
| 07:41.37 | ian__ | max3 : wipe : securely wipes data |
| 07:41.46 | ian__ | max3 : plain old knoppix might include it too |
| 07:41.47 | dominicano | dvm, i'm fine, I back to sarge afters some problemas |
| 07:42.02 | dvm | dominicano: She run it on his P3 computer, its now all a good time that i have installed Debian on his computer. She is also verry happy with Debian :-) |
| 07:42.10 | fireba11 | ma3x: if someone would be willing to spend say a million bucks for it he would be able to recover at least parts of it ... but noone ever does that without being cvertain there is important stuff on it in the first place :-) |
| 07:42.10 | Amarande | a sufficiently large magnet might be able to destroy data permanently, too |
| 07:42.11 | john | so is shred |
| 07:42.15 | dvm | dominicano: aaaii, |
| 07:42.17 | eeyore- | nothing beats a BFH |
| 07:42.25 | Amarande | unfortunately, I'm told degaussing a hard drive destroys it irrevocably, you can't use it again either |
| 07:42.29 | ian__ | max3: be warned, wiping takes a lot of time, and for truely secure stuff, you need multiple wipes |
| 07:42.41 | Garda | just use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/zero, a few times |
| 07:42.48 | john | ian__: is wipe better then shred? |
| 07:42.49 | Garda | gutman himself said his method was overkill |
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| 07:43.12 | ian__ | john: no idea what the difference is, I just googled knoppix wipe |
| 07:43.23 | ma3x | Garda, so his method would be 30 times /dev/urandom? |
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| 07:43.42 | dvm | dominicano: Have you learned about you problem ? And what was it ? |
| 07:43.43 | john | DESCRIPTION |
| 07:43.43 | john | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.43 | john | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.48 | john | sorry, didn't mean to post that much |
| 07:43.55 | ian__ | ma3x: a good wipe utill is better, it will try and get arround little issues like disk caches and whatnot |
| 07:44.24 | dominicano | dvm, yes, it was a bad config in my sources.list file |
| 07:44.26 | ian__ | ma3x: do you want to wipe the whole thing, or just files within a partition? |
| 07:44.35 | eeyore- | encrypted partition, encrypted swap ... be happy |
| 07:44.40 | ma3x | ian__, the whole thing! |
| 07:44.54 | eeyore- | cryptsetup-luks is neat |
| 07:44.58 | ian__ | ma3x: go for some sort of live distro with a wipe util, the'll all work reasonably well |
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| 07:45.04 | Amarande | eeyore: and we were just getting through talking about the FUD where people claim TCPA is a bad thing |
| 07:45.05 | ma3x | eeyore-, does that encrypt the whole partition? |
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| 07:45.15 | ian__ | and unless you have some uber1337 top secret nsa haxors after you with a large budget, you should be safe |
| 07:45.21 | eeyore- | ma3x: it encrypts any block device, of which a partition is one |
| 07:45.25 | Amarande | things like encrypted filesystems are the sort of thing TCPA is pretty much made to help do |
| 07:45.28 | __max_ | Anyone know if diffie is still an acceptible algorithm? |
| 07:45.29 | Garda | ma3x: no he had a more sophisticated method |
| 07:45.30 | dominicano | dvm, i thougt i was upgrading to etch, but it wasn't true |
| 07:45.31 | ma3x | ian__, there is 'wipe' for debian too, does it work well? |
| 07:45.33 | Garda | it was about 35 times i think |
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| 07:45.41 | eeyore- | ma3x: what makes LUKS cool is the standard partition header, with support for multiple keys, and key revocation |
| 07:45.47 | ma3x | Garda, does he have anything for linux? |
| 07:45.54 | Amarande | not only encrypted, but with TCPA the key would be hardware based, so even having your HD doesn't let them get into it |
| 07:45.55 | ian__ | amarande: what does tcpa do? |
| 07:45.58 | dominicano | dvm, i gonna be away for a couple of minutes |
| 07:46.01 | dvm | dominicano: Here on the most computers i run here Stable, i only run Testing in virtual computers and on my laptop, So when i have a trouble with it, it's not to dificult to take an other computer. So i have verry changes that i have multiples computers. |
| 07:46.07 | Amarande | ian: pretty much it's a hardware based authentication and crypto chip |
| 07:46.08 | dvm | dominicano: ok ;-) |
| 07:46.09 | Gnea | you know, if you wanted to get it all done, just shred & wipe |
| 07:46.09 | ma3x | eeyore-, so what happens let's say on boot, it requires you a pass or something? |
| 07:46.16 | eeyore- | Amarande: what about TCPA? |
| 07:46.17 | Garda | it included combinations of bytes that were random,all zero,all ones and 1010101 |
| 07:46.18 | Gnea | if you've got the time :) |
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| 07:46.23 | ian__ | amarande: I thought it was about protecting copyrights by going ape-shit to stop hackers |
| 07:46.28 | ma3x | eeyore-, and then when you mount the partition, you see random filenames if not logged in? |
| 07:46.31 | Amarande | controversial because it can be easily used by big content providers to lock out their stuff much more readily than now |
| 07:46.31 | fireba11 | ma3x: for a non.-military purposes overwriting 3 times with good random data is enough anyway |
| 07:46.33 | Garda | but using the normal wipe utility should be ok |
| 07:46.41 | Garda | in normal mode it uses the gutman method |
| 07:46.43 | Amarande | but basically, in the end, it's just a hardware based authentication and crypto chip |
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| 07:46.47 | eeyore- | ma3x: you can't mount unless you can decrypt :-p |
| 07:46.54 | ian__ | amarande: whats the point of making it a hardware device? |
| 07:47.13 | ian__ | ma3x: the beauty of encrypted data: without key, it looks random |
| 07:47.17 | fireba11 | ian__: so you can't update it in case you have a design flaw :-) |
| 07:47.22 | eeyore- | Amarande: don't need no crypto chip ... give me VIA padlock :-) |
| 07:47.25 | Garda | ma3x: apparently if you have a journaling filesystem it mightn't be perfect cos some data gets journaled |
| 07:47.34 | eeyore- | and rijndael |
| 07:47.34 | ian__ | amarande : good idea! |
| 07:47.38 | Amarande | ian: avoids remote software attack |
| 07:47.52 | ian__ | amarande: ah, so it would have open specs? |
| 07:48.03 | Amarande | someone can copy your files, but without the keys from your particular TCPA chip, they can't do anything with it |
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| 07:48.34 | eeyore- | Amarant: that's "what-you-have". i'd rather have "what-you-know" |
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| 07:48.38 | Amarande | ian: IBM claims that TCPA will be fully supportable in Linux, so I assume so |
| 07:48.44 | Gnea | Amarande: of course, anyone without a clue is going to have a hell of a time in a hostage situation |
| 07:48.55 | eeyore- | Amarande: someone can always get "what-you-have", but you'd have to beat it out of me if you want "what-you-know" |
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| 07:49.05 | ian__ | gnea: i handled about 20 hostage situations today |
| 07:49.14 | ian__ | gnea: headshot in most of them! |
| 07:49.22 | eeyore- | Gnea: what's why plausible deniability is neat. unfortunately, LUKS screams "look at me! i'm encrypted!" |
| 07:49.31 | Amarande | like I said, the main controversy about TCPA is that it can be easily used to tighten DRM, which is a sensitive spot in the free software community |
| 07:49.32 | Gnea | ian__: uhm, are we on the same page? |
| 07:49.42 | Amarande | well, easily or not so easily, depending |
| 07:49.54 | ian__ | gnea: lol, you were talking about hostage negotiations? |
| 07:50.04 | Amarande | since the unique-machine-identification part isn't really stable enough for it to be used on its own for DRM |
| 07:50.16 | bellswor | I've got madwifi-ng installed as a module in 2.6.12, and everything is working, but I want to share my connection with a WinXP machine via ethernet. So far I've assumed this could be accomplished with a bridge, but I can't find any good docs on Google. Any pointers? |
| 07:50.45 | Gnea | ian__: not necessarily with people involved |
| 07:50.45 | gl1tchy0ne | sorry to bother all but I having trouble with the debian way of kernel compiling as I am getting an error. I would really appreciate any help you could give |
| 07:51.00 | ian__ | gnea: right. |
| 07:51.12 | ian__ | I'm out, got my server working again, thanks all! |
| 07:51.14 | Amarande | but basically, TCPA is about the owner of a given piece of data being able to encrypt it and control access to it as they will, regardless of what computer that data ends up on eventually |
| 07:51.24 | gl1tchy0ne | error = 'Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version 2 .6.15.2 on running kernel 2.6.12-1-686 in /usr/sbin/mkinitrd /usr/sb |
| 07:51.47 | ian__ | amarande; sounds bad.... very bad |
| 07:52.22 | bibe | gl1tchy0ne : try 'apt-get install initrd-tools' |
| 07:52.28 | eeyore- | very nice case for mini-itx, but way too extravagant for me :-p http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/23_62/products_id/500 |
| 07:52.29 | Amarande | whether this is a good or a bad thing tends to depend on how much data you really want to keep private, versus how much big corporate media data you want to view/listen to |
| 07:52.45 | bibe | gl1tchy0ne : brb (coffee) |
| 07:53.03 | ian__ | If I want to keep data private, I control access, i don't use tcpa |
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| 07:53.08 | ian__ | much simpler |
| 07:53.20 | Amarande | ian: the purpose of TCPA is to keep your data private in case someone breaks your access controls |
| 07:53.27 | fireba11 | Amarande: as far as my impression goes TCPA is just for being able to sell pieces of data (be it software, music or movies) and the owner being able to controll access to it on MY box .. and i considder that a pretty bad thing |
| 07:53.33 | eeyore- | ian__: anything that comes out of a committee where microsoft is a participant is *probably* not a good thing |
| 07:53.41 | Amarande | e.g., if someone roots your box, they won't be able to get at all your site passwords or credit card numbers or whatever |
| 07:53.58 | Amarande | this is why you need a hardware component |
| 07:54.02 | fireba11 | Amarande: and ? it's MY data .. so I want to be the one in control |
| 07:54.03 | ian__ | amarande: yeah, once I buy something, I want to have access to it |
| 07:54.04 | Amarande | because if you just, say, used GPG on those files |
| 07:54.15 | eeyore- | Amarande: why do you need "hardware"? |
| 07:54.15 | Amarande | they could grab your GPG keyring and do a dictionary attack for the passphrase |
| 07:54.31 | ma3x | let's say to wipe one hard disk of 100 GB with gutman's method (35 times), how long will you need, 5 days? |
| 07:54.32 | ian__ | amarande: like music, once I buy it, I want access form xmms, not just itunes or napster or whatever bs app is allowed to open it |
| 07:54.41 | eeyore- | Amarande: so why can't i desolder the chip? |
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| 07:54.53 | fireba11 | Amarande: and if i didn't screw up making up a passphrase they will do so untill the end of the universe without succeeding |
| 07:55.02 | Amarande | eeyore-: it's not mandatory by any means to actually use TCPA. old stuff will still run fine |
| 07:55.16 | Amarande | but some new applications may require that you have it |
| 07:55.22 | Amarande | or they just, well, won't run |
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| 07:55.34 | Amarande | and the protected data will just show up as a "glob of data" that the computer can't use |
| 07:55.39 | eeyore- | Amarande: my passphrase is about 60 characters long |
| 07:55.49 | dvm | It's not really clear for my wy there are so many 'vim' alternatives. Like 'vim-gtk', 'vim-python'. What are the diferences ? |
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| 07:56.23 | eeyore- | dvm: vim-gtk = has gtk support. vim-python = has python interpreter support |
| 07:56.30 | fireba11 | Amarande: TCPA isn't for ME controlling what happens on MY computer .. i can do that already pretty well. it's for SOMEONE ELSE controlling stuff on MY box ^^ |
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| 07:56.56 | eeyore- | dvm: one drawback of a binary package system ... lots of combinations, if you want to get all possible combinations |
| 07:57.04 | dvm | eeyore-: So 'vim-full' has all the features ? |
| 07:57.06 | Amarande | fireba11: also for YOU controlling stuff on SOMEONE ELSE's box, such as if your encrypted data gets stolen in some way or other |
| 07:57.11 | eeyore- | dvm: or, try to use modules, but that might mean more work for things that aren't coded modularly |
| 07:57.23 | Amarande | as I said, the idea is to be able to keep your data secure even if it leaves your PC |
| 07:57.56 | eeyore- | Amarande: i fail to see how that differs materially with dm-crypt, or any other crypto package |
| 07:58.02 | fireba11 | Amarande: if i know what i'm doing my important data won't get stolen. i don't want to controll stuff on someone elses PC and i'll hack their hands off if they try to do that on mine |
| 07:58.07 | dvm | eeyore-: I whas thinking to install the 'vim-python' support or the full if this give more features |
| 07:58.30 | ootput | are any of you using newsreaders for any of the debian- articles? |
| 07:58.46 | gilead | what tools (how) should I use to insert a line of text after specific marker in a config file, from shell script? |
| 07:58.50 | Amarande | TCPA can also allow for remote authentication of a computer |
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| 07:59.00 | eeyore- | Amarant: so can ssh |
| 07:59.16 | eeyore- | Amarant: or kerberos |
| 07:59.28 | eeyore- | Amarande: and others |
| 07:59.46 | gl1tchy0ne | sorry to bother all but I having trouble with the debian way of kernel compiling as I am getting an error. I would really appreciate any help you could give |
| 07:59.55 | gl1tchy0ne | error = 'Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version 2 .6.15.2 on running kernel 2.6.12-1-686 in /usr/sbin/mkinitrd' |
| 08:00.06 | eeyore- | gl1tchy0ne: install initramfs something or other |
| 08:00.17 | Amarande | I know some people who distribute their stuff freely and still might appreciate being able to use TCPA |
| 08:00.22 | Amarande | like for instance FAQ writers for games |
| 08:00.40 | eeyore- | night |
| 08:00.46 | Amarande | all too many of those people have problems with people/sites who plagiarize their work and pass it off as their own |
| 08:00.47 | gilead | gl1tchy0ne: my box has yaird installed for that |
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| 08:02.35 | dvm | So it's better then to install 'vim-full' to have all the support ? It's more to use for write Python code and so on my old P1 and use vi ass main texteditor. I try to install it and it looks that it not take to many space. |
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| 08:02.53 | gl1tchy0ne | gilead: yeah cause VFS isnt there aynmore |
| 08:03.01 | dvm | s/ass/as |
| 08:03.22 | gilead | Amarande: it's not a matter of convenience but freedom and long-term data accessibility (see The Death Of Culture on groklaw recently for one of many articles about it) |
| 08:03.39 | gl1tchy0ne | I installed the initramfs-tools and it installed now |
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| 08:04.23 | gl1tchy0ne | I hope that it actually boots this time |
| 08:04.36 | dvm | So i was searching for a graphical version of vi :-), that help me sometime to remember the vi commands ;-) |
| 08:04.48 | gl1tchy0ne | I have only ever compiled using the old method |
| 08:04.56 | gl1tchy0ne | cause I used slackware |
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| 08:06.01 | konfuzed | dvm: try a vim cheet sheet |
| 08:06.11 | gilead | gl1tchy0ne: you can still use kernel compiled 'using the old method' (w/o ramdisk) on Debian too |
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| 08:06.20 | konfuzed | sorry a vi cheat sheet |
| 08:06.47 | kreg_work | if you lose the root passwd for a system, is there a way to reset it with an init 1? |
| 08:06.55 | gl1tchy0ne | gilead: yeah just thought I would try the "debian" way cause it seems so slick |
| 08:06.56 | dvm | konfuzed: sorry i not understand it also :-/ |
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| 08:07.10 | konfuzed | kreg_work: yes there is |
| 08:07.23 | dvm | konfuzed: What is it ? |
| 08:07.25 | kreg_work | konfuzed, do you pass an init 1 request at lilo? |
| 08:07.59 | jm_ | kreg_work: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 08:08.11 | gl1tchy0ne | well thanks for the help with any luck I will be back with the new kernel... it was giving me error's on boot about VFS and this should fix the issue |
| 08:08.41 | gl1tchy0ne | I hope... |
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| 08:09.32 | konfuzed | oh yeah init=/bin/bash I believe |
| 08:10.02 | konfuzed | init 1 might go to single user mode but you will still be challenged for the password |
| 08:10.22 | konfuzed | i had a link from the other day ;^) |
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| 08:11.53 | dvm | konfuzed: Can you point me to some docs or explain me a little bit what vim cheat cheat are ? |
| 08:11.59 | kreg_work | one of the steps is to 'fsck' your filesystem. but how can i do that if i have / mounted. isn't that destructive? |
| 08:12.22 | mne | hi there! My spamd doesn't add headers to the scanned mails (I even added add_header lines to local.cf). any hints ? |
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| 08:13.10 | cyp | hello, how can i hold back a package for upgrading with apt-get upgrade? |
| 08:13.13 | mne | kreg_work, it might be destructive. You should at least remount it readonly, should be ok then |
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| 08:13.26 | Amarande | hmm |
| 08:13.37 | Amarande | apparently that firefox glitch was a result of bad default GNOME theme settings |
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| 08:14.22 | mne | cyp, use dselect. You can put pkgs on hold with "=" |
| 08:14.26 | cyp | i have a package (suphp) and i don't want it to be upgraded when i type apt-get upgrade, any idea how i do this? |
| 08:14.30 | cyp | ok |
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| 08:14.41 | Beleys | Poy |
| 08:15.27 | cyp | there was a info here on how to do this with echo <something> | dpkg -SOMETHING <PACKAGE> |
| 08:15.48 | jm_ | !tell cyp -about hold |
| 08:16.05 | mne | cyp, i'm just looking for that. there should be a hold parameter .. |
| 08:16.16 | mne | cyp, echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 08:17.26 | dvm | If i not install 'gdm', where i must define that the users has the right to run 'startx' (openbox) ? |
| 08:18.24 | jm_ | dvm: they have it by default |
| 08:19.05 | dvm | jm_: I remove gdm now, and view it again |
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| 08:19.14 | jm_ | dvm: view what again? |
| 08:19.20 | deadcat_ | dvm: just startx |
| 08:19.21 | bob_ | hi |
| 08:19.40 | konfuzed | dvm: a ' vi cheat sheet ' is a laminated sheet you buy at the store that you can instantly see some,most,or all vi commands for quick reference while you are still trying to mesmerize vi |
| 08:19.53 | dvm | jm_: That he can startx, yesterday i remember that he complain that he has not the rights to startx |
| 08:20.15 | deadcat_ | dvm: maybe in the video and audio group. add that person to those |
| 08:20.41 | jm_ | dvm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 08:21.07 | dvm | konfuzed: hhhmmm, interested, so i can buy a quick reference :-) |
| 08:21.11 | deadcat_ | i am gonna say SCREEN is one of the top five best opensource software (= |
| 08:21.20 | bob_ | how come host on 192.168.1.0 canot talk to host on 192.168.2.0 ? do i need to add extra iptables rules? |
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| 08:21.43 | fireba11 | bob_ read up on masic TCP/IP networking |
| 08:21.48 | fireba11 | basic even |
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| 08:21.55 | kreg_work | jm_ thanks worked great. didn't even have to reset the root passwd. just needed a way to run fsck at boot time on a system i didn't konw the root passwd to. |
| 08:22.15 | konfuzed | kreg_work: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password is way more concise than that link I had |
| 08:22.27 | konfuzed | hahaha |
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| 08:22.37 | bob_ | fireba11 i did and i cant see what worng. hence my question |
| 08:22.43 | kreg_work | konfuzed, way more what? |
| 08:22.54 | konfuzed | damn subverted the whole system without even being interested in the root password |
| 08:23.03 | kreg_work | konfuzed, oh i got ya |
| 08:23.04 | konfuzed | consice |
| 08:23.14 | konfuzed | prolly rong spelelin |
| 08:23.20 | dvm | hhmm, yesterday, he would not run with a normal user, now its run fine. Or whas it because i had a trouble to start is and the 'fonts-base' was not installed |
| 08:23.24 | kreg_work | heh heh, no just i dunno my vocab |
| 08:23.45 | fireba11 | bob_: 192.168.1.0 is a NETWORK adress |
| 08:23.47 | jm_ | right, there must have been some other error, because the default is that local users can start X server |
| 08:24.53 | bob_ | fireba11 exactly, the host is on that network |
| 08:24.54 | phobo | I'm getting a (to be reliable) brand new SuperMicro server running Debian. I had to use the daily build because its ICH7R mobo means even Etch Beta1's kernel is too old, but I decided to try installing stable (ie. Sarge) packages. The installer and everything worked great, however it appears to be installing Kernel 2.6.8--however I need 2.6.14 or higher. Can I somehow ask apt-get to use a daily build to make a kernel that will b |
| 08:24.55 | phobo | oot my machine (I am mid-install at the moment)... e.g. apt-get kernel-image-2.6-xxx-686-smp? If i change the sources.list etc and do this, will this work? |
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| 08:25.24 | jm_ | phobo: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 08:25.24 | fireba11 | bob_ depending on netmask the host in network 192.180.1.0 can't see a host in network 192.168.2.0 without routing |
| 08:25.41 | jm_ | phobo: alternatively, backports.org has newer kernels |
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| 08:25.51 | Garda | hey guys |
| 08:26.02 | Garda | what's the command to tell you how much ram on the computer |
| 08:26.22 | kreg_work | top |
| 08:26.30 | phobo | so doing this now, before the install is complete (well, when it is ready to reboot for the first time), will know to put it all in /target and all? |
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| 08:26.58 | phobo | i will check out backports... i use this for other things, didn't think about the kernel... duh :P |
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| 08:27.35 | eps | what's the go with sid atm...choose between dbus or hal to get gnome-volume-manager or install the latter and get dbus but lose hal... |
| 08:27.37 | bob_ | Filbert, my routing table on the gateway look good, how come it cant fine to what interface to pass the packet? |
| 08:27.41 | eps | does one need hal and dbus anyway? |
| 08:27.44 | dvm | konfuzed: thx for you're search, the next time i enter a shop, i look for the 'cheat sheat', i really need it, and it's sure, i would be helpfull :-) |
| 08:28.12 | konfuzed | hhhhhmmmmmm whomever noted the ctrl-alt-del was good reason for a single user mode password, i got this link kere for disabling ctrl-alt-del to stop kiddies from using init=/bin/sh to subvert your root password. |
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| 08:29.17 | konfuzed | mind you that is still only good if the box is encased behind a wall or something and the power plugs are completely inaccessible |
| 08:29.17 | quitte | !ops onjoin spam |
| 08:29.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: onjoin spam |
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| 08:29.28 | konfuzed | otherwsie you just walk off with the box right |
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| 08:31.46 | phobo | jm_ --- where is kernel packages? don't seem them at http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/k/ |
| 08:32.04 | jm_ | phobo: search for kernel |
| 08:32.41 | quitte | is there a deb line for apt that still works for potato? |
| 08:32.47 | jm_ | it has been renamed to linux-image as in sid |
| 08:32.47 | bibe | phobo : main/l/linux-2.6 |
| 08:33.06 | dondelelcaro | quitte: you need to use a mirror that has the archives on it |
| 08:33.19 | tyranix | hmm I have a question about migration from unstable to testing. I was under the impression than grave bugs prevented that. However, I noticed that jde has had an open grave bug for 143 days and was just migrated to testing. Why is that? |
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| 08:33.43 | konfuzed | hhmmm is that onjoin spam a spam-bot ? ;^) |
| 08:33.49 | phobo | sweet |
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| 08:35.20 | wousla | hi, now running 2.6.8. want to upgrade. is linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 the right package? |
| 08:36.14 | gilead | wousla: yes, but consider -k7 or -686 packages as well |
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| 08:37.06 | wousla | k7 would be out, mine a P4 machine. what's the diff between -386 and -686? |
| 08:37.13 | jm_ | 3 |
| 08:37.17 | dondelelcaro | 300? |
| 08:37.42 | wousla | funny but not helpful. |
| 08:37.43 | gilead | wousla: -686 are optimized for PII+ machines |
| 08:38.02 | jm_ | wousla: read respective packages' descriptions |
| 08:38.04 | dondelelcaro | wousla: basically, a 686 kernel is pretty much what you want to use, although a 386 will work as well |
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| 08:38.41 | wousla | thks, btw, to be mathematically correct the diff should be -300. |
| 08:38.58 | konfuzed | wousla: i thought about that and disagreed |
| 08:39.02 | quitte | ugh. seems opie packages never made it in a release :( |
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| 08:39.12 | konfuzed | maybe explicitly +300 |
| 08:39.20 | wousla | never mind, got to go and deal with the kernel. |
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| 08:39.25 | wousla | bye |
| 08:39.26 | konfuzed | wousla: wait |
| 08:39.43 | konfuzed | if you upgrade from 386 to 686 that would not be pretty |
| 08:39.48 | konfuzed | ohwell |
| 08:40.10 | wireddd | any idea when kde 3.5 is going to hit testing? |
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| 08:40.25 | deadcat | wireddd: no |
| 08:40.29 | gilead | konfuzed: why do you say not pretty? |
| 08:40.51 | konfuzed | well everything else in the system was compiled with 386 |
| 08:41.02 | konfuzed | not good to mix these things |
| 08:41.10 | streuner | wireddd: sounds like a question for #debian-kde |
| 08:41.32 | konfuzed | the system will be konfuzed |
| 08:42.23 | s-toned | I use the Debian kernel 2.6.12 in which CONFIG_SMB_NLS_DEFAULT is not set. Can I add SMB_NLS without recompiling the whole kernel? |
| 08:42.44 | wireddd | streuner, yeah your probably right |
| 08:43.14 | phobo | if you're not adding 4GB+ ram, does em64t-smp provide anything more than a 686smp kernel? |
| 08:43.33 | konfuzed | theres like a chicken before the egg kinda thing - you cant upgrade the rest of the system to 686 until the 686 kernel is running the system |
| 08:43.40 | gilead | konfuzed: it'll be ok :) |
| 08:44.12 | konfuzed | gilead: you would say im mistaken then |
| 08:44.34 | quitte | konfuzed: and i'd agree with him. there is no debian for i686 |
| 08:44.43 | gilead | konfuzed: I would |
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| 08:45.13 | konfuzed | the 686 kernel i think doesnt like the 386 stamped fs from what I remember , that kind of thing could have been addressed |
| 08:45.26 | gilead | fs? |
| 08:45.31 | konfuzed | file system |
| 08:45.47 | jm_ | quite;opie packages are in Sarge |
| 08:46.02 | konfuzed | ok wait I want to hear someone coroborate its been done |
| 08:46.11 | quitte | jm_ the qt based embedded desktop - not one time passwords |
| 08:46.12 | gilead | konfuzed: err, afaict you're seeing problems where there are none :) |
| 08:46.16 | jm_ | quitte: ohh |
| 08:46.22 | konfuzed | but quitte says there is no i686 debian |
| 08:46.55 | gilead | so what? it's kernel which is optimized for 686 and it can run 386 apps, where's the problem with that? |
| 08:47.11 | quitte | konfuzed: there is also no architecture specific filesystem |
| 08:47.39 | konfuzed | the part about stuff being compiled on a different kernel is not in sync until recompiled on the new kernel |
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| 08:48.12 | quitte | konfuzed: seems you used gentoo or lfs before, do you? |
| 08:48.34 | djp | when you copy/cut/paste files from one place to another, is there any record/log kept? |
| 08:48.55 | gilead | konfuzed: are you trying to say that 386-optimized binaries won't run on 686 machine? :) |
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| 08:49.15 | konfuzed | I cant remember if this was from an upgrade specifcally from 386 to 686 but I have had version complaints after kernel upgrades and file system complaints after kernel upgrades |
| 08:49.42 | jm_ | that's because you didn't know what you were doing |
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| 08:49.59 | gilead | you may have upgraded kernel w/o some external kernel modules |
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| 08:50.39 | konfuzed | I now seem to recall this one big ass annoyance kernel upgrade that actually was in conjunction with the distrobution also changing the file system being used, so theres cross over going on for me |
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| 08:51.30 | djp | when you copy/cut/paste files from one place to another under gnome, is there any record/log kept? |
| 08:51.36 | gilead | konfuzed: don't be konfuzed anymore, there are no problems with that :-P |
| 08:51.43 | konfuzed | gilead: he's also noted a change in kernel version aswell |
| 08:51.49 | tziku | hello, i want to make some revers dns on my comp...i have domain...but i don't know how can i do that... :( tell me what service i need to install. |
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| 08:53.12 | Shadur | tziku: If you want to serve reverse DNS, you're going to have to talk your ISP into delegating reverse DNS for your IP range to you. |
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| 08:53.26 | konfuzed | as admitted before, im not a programer, but I would expect 386 buinaries compiles on one kernel version to likely 'not like' a new 386 kernel version |
| 08:53.41 | konfuzed | until recompiled |
| 08:53.47 | Shadur | konfuzed: You're right, you aren't a programmer. |
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| 08:54.02 | konfuzed | theres that system wide upgrade by recomiple everything though write |
| 08:54.05 | konfuzed | er right |
| 08:54.06 | LightAngel | folks, how can I install Debian on a SATA drive? what should I specify on boot? |
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| 08:54.20 | Shadur | LightAngel: The 2.6 kernel on the sarge installer groks SATA. |
| 08:54.27 | tziku | ok thx Shadur |
| 08:54.44 | Shadur | konfuzed: Yeah, gentoo ricer kiddies do that when they want to feel leet. It doesn't actually accomplish anything worth the hassle, though. |
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| 08:54.51 | LightAngel | Shadur ok but it tells me he can't find any drive... |
| 08:54.54 | konfuzed | oh i never touched gentoo |
| 08:55.13 | konfuzed | thats just painting the forest |
| 08:55.52 | Shadur | konfuzed: Frankly, 99.9% of all linux software doesn't actually talk directly to the kernel; most actual system calls are handled by libc. |
| 08:56.37 | konfuzed | and so those kernel upgrades then can choke on libc and the system is fxcked , is that how it goes |
| 08:56.43 | wam | Hi! I'm going to use cacti for collecting the snmp-data from my hosts and displaying it nicely. Cacti can only snmp v1 and v2. So I don't have encryption or authentication (except the community-string). I'm concerned about security. Of course I will limit access to port 161 with my firewalls. But is there any other nice option I could use? Would a VPN be too much overhead? |
| 08:57.14 | djp | when you copy/cut/paste files from one place to another under gnome, is there any record/log kept? |
| 08:57.32 | Shadur | And libc doesn't need a recompile on every new kernel version as long as the system call interface remains largely the same. |
| 08:57.34 | konfuzed | or rather only of there was some kernel related change regarding dealing with libc |
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| 08:58.03 | jm_ | wam: you could use munin, but I think they have only recently added SSL support |
| 08:58.23 | Shadur | konfuzed: This is why API layer changes are very extensively debated beforehand, and why the original layer is maintained for backward compatibility purposes for a fairly long time. |
| 08:58.34 | konfuzed | well I mist have been lucky enough to have several upgrades coincide with such diverse upgrades |
| 08:59.05 | fireba11 | wam: munin-nodes can have set an IP from where connection to it is allowed ... |
| 08:59.08 | wam | jm_: I was looking at munin too. But I don't like to have some small server running on my hosts where munin can connect to. The munin-node is not so well-tested than net-snmp - for example... |
| 08:59.24 | wam | fireba11: snmp v1 can do that too... |
| 08:59.40 | Shadur | Look, I can spend hours more trying to explain how this stuff works, but since you're not a programmer most of it's going to be all greek to you anyway. Can you settle for me saying that the people who develop this stuff are smarter than you and spent a long time thinking about it? |
| 09:00.15 | konfuzed | so to be on the safe side though you can never be sure of being clear of those few potentially castrophic coincidenes of upgrade incompatibility with reall pouring over the docs on those diffs and upgrades |
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| 09:00.30 | jm_ | wam: on Linux? very few people actually use it on Linux, but it's probably still more tested, however it's questionable if such rationale is worth it when it comes to security |
| 09:00.33 | wam | fireba11: sorry. Correct would be: net-snmp with snmp v1 and v2c can do that too ;) |
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| 09:00.50 | trend | hello |
| 09:00.52 | konfuzed | ok I used to do some programming in grade school and still have to talk to a lot of programers or at least some programers |
| 09:00.58 | konfuzed | depending on the poroject of course |
| 09:01.16 | konfuzed | always better to as unkonfuzed as possible |
| 09:01.22 | trend | hey, is anyone up for bumping this ebay auction? I hate asking in here.. but the reserve limit needs to be broken so i can win this auction :) |
| 09:01.29 | Shadur | konfuzed: And neither of those qualify you even remotely to grok kernel<->software interaction. |
| 09:01.36 | Shadur | trend: No. |
| 09:01.49 | trend | Shadur, no, what.. no you don't want to? ok, that is fine |
| 09:02.06 | djp | does anyone know if a log is kept when files are cut and pasted? |
| 09:02.08 | konfuzed | ok well I have to do upgrades too and that includes kernels |
| 09:02.12 | Shadur | trend: No, as in "this is not the right place to ask, please go away" |
| 09:02.30 | wousla | i am using grub but in the process of upgrading my kernel, it ask about whether I wnat to keep my lilo. does this matter? |
| 09:02.33 | konfuzed | i need to know the parameters of when why and how kernel upgrades can go awry |
| 09:02.42 | trend | screw you.. i have been a #debian/freenode member probably 3x longer than you... so why don't you go away :) |
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| 09:03.04 | konfuzed | cuz its happened a few times already and perhaps im a little paranoid about such things now. |
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| 09:03.27 | Shadur | konfuzed: Maybe you should try to figure out what you keep doing wrong, then. |
| 09:03.30 | fireba11 | konfuzed: you are obviously doing something wrong then |
| 09:04.29 | konfuzed | Shadur: so i may not program it but it does help me see the finer points of seperation and so it helps me, thanks for the review |
| 09:04.59 | Shadur | Hrm. Is ftp.nl.debian.org down? |
| 09:05.00 | konfuzed | ive taken to avoiding upgrading kernels unless nescesary |
| 09:05.17 | fireba11 | Shadda: looks like it |
| 09:05.54 | fireba11 | Shadur: got a connection but gut thrown out a few secs later |
| 09:05.55 | wousla | konfuzed: i am in the process of upgrading my kernel. look at my q a few lines up. |
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| 09:06.02 | konfuzed | which by the point of a truly nescesary kernel upgrade a whole new system install is likely due for secondary reasons |
| 09:06.22 | konfuzed | in my world anyway |
| 09:06.26 | fireba11 | wousla: probably apt thinks youre using lilo then |
| 09:06.47 | Shadur | konfuzed: Let me put it this way: I'm responsible for roughly a dozen machines, less than four of which have even remotely comparable hardware. Over the course of the past five years, I've upgraded them from 2.2 to 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, as well as from potato to woody to sarge, and I've *never* had the kind of breakage that you keep vaguely referring to without giving us the details of what happened. |
| 09:06.56 | wousla | fireball: or apt only deals with lilo. |
| 09:07.14 | fireba11 | konfuzed: look, i updated kernels on various machines over 20 times now .. the biggest hazzle was that i had to reboot to change the kernel okay ? |
| 09:07.35 | Shadur | In that respect, I can only conclude that the recurring problem lies in something you're doing drastically wrong, but without any details from you I can't even begin to imagine what it might be. |
| 09:07.41 | fireba11 | wousla: no, am using grub here and it gets updated as expected ..grub is default in sarge anyway |
| 09:07.52 | konfuzed | i think I even did one kernel upgrade scenario where the boot loader also got changed and some other kernel upgrade incompatibillity or dependency made it choke |
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| 09:08.17 | Shadur | wousla: Er, I can state from experience that apt (or more precisely, dpkg, whose job it actually is) groks grub just fine. Try purging the lilo package, maybe a lingering config file is confusing apt. |
| 09:08.26 | konfuzed | its like shit happens too many times and then ya just want to avoid it ;^) |
| 09:08.47 | Shadur | konfuzed: I stand by my statement that it's not the software and it's not the kernel, it's *you* |
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| 09:08.55 | konfuzed | i cant see why the boot loader should be realted to such a problem but it was coincidedntal |
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| 09:09.30 | ma3x | hey guys take a look at this sucker: http://funmansion.com/html/Developers.html |
| 09:09.30 | va | there's something very weird with my router, i connect to it as root through ssh and then try to ping an internal or external IP address. ping prints "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted". Then i try "nmap -p 80 www.google.com", this prints "sendto in send_ip_packet: sendto(4, packet, 28, 0, 66.249.93.104, 16) => Operation not permitted". What can cause this? mii-tool shows both links are ok |
| 09:09.31 | wousla | You already have a LILO configuration in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 09:09.33 | wousla | This is the q thrown up. Install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf? [Yes] |
| 09:09.51 | wousla | this is the q i have to answer. |
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| 09:11.18 | Shadur | konfuzed: IT's not the boot loader. It's not the kernel. It's not libc. It's *YOU*. Get that through your head, THEN work from there to try to figure out what you're doing wrong. |
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| 09:11.35 | wousla | here is another. You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.6.12-1-686) |
| 09:11.37 | wousla | This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use |
| 09:11.39 | wousla | initrd. (An initrd image is a kernel image that expects to use an INITial |
| 09:11.41 | wousla | Ram Disk to mount a minimal root file system into RAM and use that for |
| 09:11.43 | wousla | booting). |
| 09:11.44 | wousla | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.46 | wousla | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.47 | wousla | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.51 | hendry | how do I know if I am using lvm? |
| 09:11.53 | Shadur | wousla: Stop flooding, dammit. |
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| 09:12.06 | karsten | hendry: cat /proc/mounts | grep mapper |
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| 09:12.33 | karsten | hendry: ... if you're using LVM, you're probably going to see something like "/dev/mapper/VolGroup00/LogVol01" as a mountpoint. |
| 09:12.35 | wousla | Shardur: this is not flooding. i have keyed in msg longer than this. damnit, do u know the answer? |
| 09:12.53 | karsten | hendry: ... though that depends somewhat on how you're naming volumes. 'lvscan' is another tool to use. |
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| 09:13.08 | konfuzed | wousla: take a deep breath |
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| 09:13.17 | karsten | hendry: The LVM HOWTO is *very* much worth reading. |
| 09:13.36 | fireba11 | wousla: so dpkg thinks you got lilo .. how did you set up your boot loader ? did you change it some time ? |
| 09:13.37 | wousla | konfuzed: should i hold it too? |
| 09:13.44 | Shadur | wousla: Yes, and I already gave it to you. I guess you were too busy flooding the channel with multiline crap that has no bearing on the issue to pay attention. |
| 09:13.49 | konfuzed | wousla: that might be a good idea |
| 09:13.53 | konfuzed | I can do it for 4 minutes |
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| 09:14.30 | wousla | i prefer to blow it up. fuck u, Shadur. i feel better. |
| 09:14.46 | konfuzed | hm |
| 09:14.52 | dilku | If dmesg contains nothing about dvd, does that mean that the DVD Drive is not detected ? |
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| 09:15.05 | Shadur | [10:08] <Shadur> wousla: Er, I can state from experience that apt (or more precisely, dpkg, whose job it actually is) groks grub just fine. Try purging the lilo package, maybe a lingering config file is confusing apt. |
| 09:15.06 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: even if someone is flooding, it's not appropriate to call them names. |
| 09:15.24 | konfuzed | at least ive got patience uh i think thats the wrong spelling |
| 09:15.33 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: Where exactly was I calling him any names? |
| 09:16.01 | hendry | karsten: i don't i am. does the debian installer use lvm by default? |
| 09:16.01 | hendry | karsten: i don't think i am. :( does the debian installer use lvm by default? |
| 09:16.09 | Shadur | dilku: Does it say anything about "DVD" instead? grep is case-sensitive by default. |
| 09:16.09 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: let me reprhase: You were being harsher than was necessary. |
| 09:16.11 | karsten | hendry: No. |
| 09:16.13 | konfuzed | Shadur: see I saw that and it reminded me of what I said about an annoying boot loader change in conjunction with a kernel upgrade |
| 09:16.40 | dondelelcaro | dilku: you should see something like this: hdc: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-812S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 09:16.55 | dilku | Shadur: No nothing about CD or DVD |
| 09:16.55 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro: was he harsh to me or wousla ? |
| 09:17.08 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: In my defence I'd like to point out that I tried kindness and giving the right answer first, five minutes ago, and he didn't appear to pay attention. |
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| 09:17.27 | s-toned | dilku: what says the BIOS? |
| 09:17.36 | Shadur | dilku: dmesg | less, see if there's anything about IDE interfaces in there. |
| 09:17.55 | hendry | karsten: why not? |
| 09:18.06 | karsten | hendry: Ask channel, I'm gone. |
| 09:18.18 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: that's good, but next time you feel like the person is ignoring you, just use /ignore. |
| 09:18.40 | dilku | dondelelcaro: no nothing |
| 09:18.42 | cyrix^ | hi guys !.. I want to log forward packages in iptables but iptables -a forward -j log gives to much, and makes the server "stall".. Does anyone have good line for me ? |
| 09:18.59 | dilku | this is a Dell Lantitude D610 |
| 09:19.09 | dondelelcaro | dilku: right, then it sure appears that your drive isn't being detected. Is it an ide drive? do you have ide cdrom support loaded? |
| 09:19.16 | Shadur | hendry: You can set up LVM in the debian installer, but it's not a default setting. |
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| 09:19.43 | dilku | dondelelcaro: What is the module |
| 09:20.10 | Shadur | dilku: ide-cd, I think. Try loading the IDE subsystem first, though, if it turns out to not be loaded. |
| 09:20.17 | djp | is a log kept of file(s) movement? |
| 09:20.32 | dondelelcaro | djp: which files? |
| 09:20.32 | konfuzed | Shadur: i would have more details for you about the last kernel upgrade that choked and was unrestorable but it was more than two years ago and I havent done one since, it was also something I try hard to forget about |
| 09:20.34 | fireba11 | djp: default no .. would grow too fast |
| 09:20.35 | Shadur | djp: No, should there be? |
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| 09:21.18 | djp | thanks fireball, Shadur. no Shadur, just wondered if a log was kept... |
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| 09:22.09 | LightAngel | so....folks...debian doesn't detects my SATA drive or I don't know what to specify on boot. should I specify anything? |
| 09:22.44 | dondelelcaro | LightAngel: are you using the etch d-i? or the sarge with install26? |
| 09:22.50 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: So noted, but he wasn't just flooding, he was deliberately flooding -- intentionally keeping his pastes to four lines each with a two-second pause to not trigger the bots' flood kick. |
| 09:22.56 | LightAngel | the latest stable |
| 09:23.34 | Shadur | LightAngel: Like I said, the latest 2.6 grokked every SATA drive I tried it on. All two of them. |
| 09:23.42 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: all you need to do then is ask people to stop politely. They're more likely to do it; if they don't, call for an op. |
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| 09:24.52 | LightAngel | aha, ok, than I should down the latest one.. |
| 09:25.00 | konfuzed | restoring that box was a three day night mare because of a varity of version incompatibility that lead to a complete box replacement and mounting the previous drive to copy over the data. |
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| 09:25.40 | Shadur | konfuzed: Again, all of this is a very pretty horror story, but it illuminates in no way what you did wrong or even how you managed to do it wrong so spectacularly. |
| 09:25.44 | konfuzed | it would have not taken so long to replace if there was a blank box sitting there doing nothing just waiting to be used for such a thing |
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| 09:26.15 | dilku | dondelelcaro: ide-cd module is in the list in my lsmod |
| 09:26.17 | konfuzed | i know it really pissed me off there should have been nothing to go wrong |
| 09:26.20 | Shadur | One possible guess might be that you tried to compile a 2.6 kernel from an unmodified 2.4 .config |
| 09:26.32 | djp | dondelelcaro, files in question were those that are cut/copied and pasted between different directories. though, fireball and Shadur have answered my question. |
| 09:26.35 | dondelelcaro | dilku: ok; is this an ide cdrom drive? did it show up at post? |
| 09:26.41 | konfuzed | these coincidentals do happen sometimes though and well lucjy me |
| 09:26.52 | Shadur | dilku: Here's something offbeat to try: Look for a scsi CD instead. |
| 09:27.17 | Shadur | konfuzed: And like we keep saying, it's far more likely that you repeatedly did something spectacularly wrong. |
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| 09:27.45 | konfuzed | i avoid kernel upgrades so aseops fables or somebody says those kernel upgrade boo boos just hunt me down |
| 09:28.17 | Shadur | The only aesops fable that comes to mind from your story so far is the one about the fox and the grapes. |
| 09:28.24 | konfuzed | the only upgrade that has ever hassled me was a kernel upgrade |
| 09:28.59 | konfuzed | damn i never liked trying to remember laws |
| 09:29.34 | dilku | dondelelcaro: what is the module for that ? |
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| 09:30.46 | Shadur | dilku: start off with lspci; see what hardware is connected to your PCI bus. Does it mention an IDE interface at all? |
| 09:30.58 | konfuzed | this thing two years ago was with EnGardeLinux , that's right, there was a kernel upgrade noted as required and so as I was a tad behind on the updates, I updated everything else first and did the kernel last |
| 09:31.02 | Shadur | It'll look something like this: 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev 02) |
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| 09:31.46 | konfuzed | it was even verbatum instructions from the EnGarde provided system updated |
| 09:32.03 | dondelelcaro | dilku: scsi_cd iirc |
| 09:32.27 | dilku | does this make any sence 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03) |
| 09:32.33 | Shadur | dilku: Bingo. |
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| 09:32.58 | dilku | I have a sata in the Hard Disk |
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| 09:33.03 | cyp_ | how can i keep a package from not upgrading when i do a apt-get upgrade 2? |
| 09:33.11 | azeem | !hold |
| 09:33.11 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 09:33.24 | cyp_ | 10x |
| 09:33.37 | Shadur | Okay, SATA, while technically sort of IDE, is treated as a SCSI interface, so you'll need the scsi_cd module |
| 09:34.20 | dilku | FATAL: Module scsi_cd not found. |
| 09:35.21 | Shadur | Oh, wait. Try sr_mod |
| 09:36.38 | dilku | it got loaded |
| 09:36.48 | dilku | Now I'll try to mount |
| 09:36.54 | konfuzed | EnGarde is pretty sharp with their security scenario but nobodies perfect. a bash terminal menu for system maintance updates listed only the kernel as the only item left that was not yet upgraded. Click Submit to proceed with Upadate - click - oh look its workign just fine, yada yada oops - it just went offline and wont come back up. Its only 4:30 in the morning though. |
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| 09:37.24 | Shadur | dilku: Check dmesg, see what it detected. |
| 09:37.50 | konfuzed | best go over to data center with previously made recovery floppy - oops that floppy doesnt like the new kernel |
| 09:38.06 | konfuzed | good thing I brought LIVE RECOVERY CD |
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| 09:38.27 | konfuzed | oops that doesnt want to mount the files system either to access any of the kernels |
| 09:38.28 | rredd4 | could someone please look at my paster. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1736 |
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| 09:38.52 | rhalff | Hi I got this php thing: |
| 09:38.54 | rhalff | not all platforms support negative timestamps, therefore your date range may be limited to no earlier than the Unix epoch. This means that e.g. dates prior to Jan 1, 1970 will not work on Windows, some Linux distributions, and a few other operating systems. PHP 5.1.0 and newer versions overcome this limitation though. |
| 09:38.58 | konfuzed | i pretty sure this is the same one that had the file system version upgrade |
| 09:39.00 | dilku | Shadur: dmesg has not changed |
| 09:39.16 | rhalff | on unstable negative timestamps are available, but on stable not. |
| 09:39.31 | rhalff | anyone know what I should configure on stable to make this work ? |
| 09:39.45 | konfuzed | man that was just a shittty run down - off line for three days - i cant and wont talk about it any more. |
| 09:39.55 | konfuzed | Shadur: thatnks for the memories though |
| 09:40.05 | rhalff | I'm unable to allow people born before 1970 now on the webserver. |
| 09:40.06 | Shadur | rhalff: That sounds like something requiring a newer version of libc |
| 09:40.09 | dilku | thanks for the help guys .. I will try some other time, Sick of this |
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| 09:40.26 | rhalff | Shadda, so impossible to solve on debian stable then ? |
| 09:40.28 | dvm | When i do a ssh connection to a computer he say 'Permission denied (publickey).' So i understand that i can not access it. How comme it and how to resolv it ? |
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| 09:41.11 | Shadur | rhalff: Not unless you design your database to not use unix timestamps in the date-of-birth field. |
| 09:41.15 | nilse | the latest version of synergy in debian unstable is 1.2.2, the latest on sourceforge is 1.2.7 how can i check if there is some packaging going on right now ? |
| 09:41.37 | Shadur | dvm: Try ssh -v on your and, and (if possible) increase the logging of sshd on the other end. |
| 09:42.02 | rhalff | Shadur, ok good tip :) |
| 09:42.08 | rredd4 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1736 help please |
| 09:42.29 | Shadur | nilse: Email the maintainer. Or check the BTS and report a wishlist bug that says "I want the uber latest version and I want it now!" |
| 09:42.35 | nilse | hmm i am wrong. |
| 09:42.40 | loxley | dvm: you need a key obviously |
| 09:42.42 | nilse | ill have to check again :D |
| 09:43.14 | Shadur | rredd4: First off, fix your sources.list - that typo is really obvious. |
| 09:43.20 | dvm | hhmmm, im not on these level :-( |
| 09:43.30 | rredd4 | shadur: i will |
| 09:43.36 | Shadur | "upda tes" ? I'm sorry, but did you even read that error message before you pasted it? |
| 09:43.36 | konfuzed | dvm: somtimes you can simply delete the current key stored in your local key file and try and again. it would ask you if you want to accept a new key |
| 09:44.01 | nilse | was working on the wrong computer, Im updating now. thanks |
| 09:44.01 | rredd4 | shadur: is that why i cannot install the libs? |
| 09:44.23 | Shadur | rredd4: Second off, May I ask why you're trying to install libs from unstable on a machine running stable? |
| 09:44.25 | dvm | konfuzed: Yes, that i would like :-) its because this comp runs in a virtual computer. Ok i need to learn more about ssh and keys |
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| 09:45.15 | konfuzed | dvm: the file is located somewhere like /......./user/.ssh or somethingn but I think the keys are actually in a different file name that I just canr remember |
| 09:45.38 | rredd4 | shadur: it has been a long while since i installed anything... to used to windoes |
| 09:45.39 | konfuzed | i only have to do that when my ips change |
| 09:45.40 | Shadur | nipra: Ignore what konfuzed just said, he missed the point. |
| 09:45.42 | possie | how can i set a default locale? |
| 09:46.00 | Shadur | konfuzed: He was referring to a pubkey, not a known_hosts key. |
| 09:46.11 | rredd4 | shadur: i copied and pasted the urls |
| 09:46.11 | konfuzed | ah |
| 09:46.18 | Shadur | There's a distinct difference, and the latter really shouldn't be deleted. |
| 09:46.25 | konfuzed | how did nipra come into this? |
| 09:46.28 | Shadur | rredd4: And in doing so, you made a typo. |
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| 09:46.46 | Shadur | konfuzed: That was my nick completion hitting "ni<tab> and missing. |
| 09:46.54 | konfuzed | rredd4: likely via an invisible space character |
| 09:47.02 | rredd4 | fixing.. brb |
| 09:47.20 | konfuzed | uh you mean vdm |
| 09:47.21 | dvm | konfuzed: it's looks in the '~/.ssh/known_hosts'. so i can delete the line that trouble me ? |
| 09:47.24 | konfuzed | ud dvm |
| 09:47.33 | konfuzed | dvm read up a bit |
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| 09:47.59 | konfuzed | and doouble check your eerror message in man ssh |
| 09:47.59 | Shadur | rredd4: And again, it still looks like you're trying to install sid packages onto a sarge system, which is a really, really REALLY bad idea that you should NOT be doing. |
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| 09:48.07 | Ricardo | Helo people! |
| 09:48.17 | Ricardo | Can anyone help me with a regular expression? |
| 09:48.23 | Shadur | Trust me on this. It's actually safer to convert entirely to sid than to mix-and-match sarge and sid packages. |
| 09:48.42 | Shadur | Ricardo: Depends. What're you trying and what's not doing what you intended it to do? |
| 09:48.47 | rpt | apt-get complains about not finding some vmlinuz image in /boot, however its not the kernel im even using, am i missing something, is there a way to fix this? |
| 09:48.56 | konfuzed | dvm: it may be that your sshd.conf is requiring public key authentication vs passwords |
| 09:49.02 | Ricardo | Well i want to change the body tag inside an HTML file. |
| 09:49.08 | Shadur | rpt: That's not apt-get complaining, that's most likely lilo or grub. |
| 09:49.11 | konfuzed | Shadur: is that a closer guess? |
| 09:49.39 | Shadur | konfuzed: Might be. Without extra detail from ssh -v and/or debug logging from sshd on the other end, it's hard to be sure. |
| 09:49.40 | Ricardo | I want to loos the attributes ... |
| 09:49.43 | dvm | konfuzed: I have delete a (long) line in '~/.ssh/known_hosts' where the ip is the same that i would like to connect to with ssh. Now he have ask me to store it. but he continues to say 'Permission denied (publickey).'. |
| 09:49.55 | Shadur | Ricardo: Sounds straightforward enough. |
| 09:49.55 | dvm | konfuzed: I had not see you're last msg |
| 09:50.11 | Shadur | dvm: Read my first response, please. |
| 09:50.36 | konfuzed | dvm: i mis judged your error message |
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| 09:51.52 | rpt | Shadur: yea propably but it occurs when i run apt-get |
| 09:52.21 | rredd4 | shadur: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1737 |
| 09:52.44 | dvm | Shadur: I not good understand what the output of ssh -v IP shows. If i have good understand (but not the case) there are no problem |
| 09:52.57 | konfuzed | Shadur: is this more likely dvm's isssue - it may be that your sshd.conf is requiring public key authentication which can be turned off |
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| 09:53.34 | konfuzed | dvm did you google your error message |
| 09:53.53 | konfuzed | cuz I certainly havent ;^) |
| 09:54.00 | dvm | konfuzed: no |
| 09:54.35 | quad3datwork2 | anyone with the 'new style' lighttpd 1.4.9 install might shed some light on this error for me please? http://pastebin.com/536647 |
| 09:54.54 | dvm | konfuzed: i look no on google then ;-) |
| 09:55.00 | konfuzed | dvm: do you need a more specific suggestion to try that or man ssh man sshd |
| 09:55.06 | dvm | s/no/now |
| 09:55.07 | Shadur | rredd4: Okay. First off, get rid of those CDROM lines. They're essentially useless now anyway. |
| 09:55.16 | rredd4 | k |
| 09:55.36 | Shadur | And again, what you have there is a stable install. Why are you trying to install the unstable revision of Synaptic in there? |
| 09:56.09 | rredd4 | shadur: i just did apt-get install synaptic |
| 09:56.09 | konfuzed | rpt: did you happen to do a kernel upgrade? curious mostly :) |
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| 09:56.57 | Shadur | rredd4: Yes, and that's because, as I keep repeating, you have unstable apt lines mixed with stable. |
| 09:57.04 | jugglinx | hmm, someone uses E16? i got a problem when i install kde it hide my E16... i remember something similar happens to me before and editing .xsession file i fixed, but i couldn t find that file in debian... can someone give me the full path, please ? |
| 09:57.07 | Shadur | DO NOT MIX AND MATCH STABLE AND UNSTABLE. |
| 09:57.17 | ootput | are any of you using newsreaders for any of the debian- articles? |
| 09:57.44 | rredd4 | shadur: i did not change sources.list I think that my terminal displayed the spaces when they were not there |
| 09:57.45 | Shadur | We keep having to repeat this, and I think we make a new bot response for each new debian release, but the message remains the same. |
| 09:57.48 | rredd4 | ok i will fix |
| 09:57.52 | vimp | How can I save an applet to a file, so I can use it locally? just saving *.class doesn't work. I think this may have something to do with its dependencies. |
| 09:57.58 | konfuzed | ok so stable and u nstable versions is one of those no no upgrade scenarios with that chicken before the egg problem then |
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| 09:58.22 | konfuzed | no partial upgrades ;^) |
| 09:58.30 | gilead | vimp: so save its dependencies as well |
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| 09:58.38 | Shadur | konfuzed: No, it's not. You can dist-upgrade from stable to unstable just fine. |
| 09:58.47 | Shadur | I've done so often enough to know. |
| 09:58.50 | rredd4 | no unstable with stable... got it.. thanks I will fix and post again |
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| 09:59.10 | rredd4 | my first time |
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| 09:59.19 | rredd4 | sort of |
| 09:59.20 | Shadur | What you can't do, or at least can't do without risking massive breakage which we're not even going to TRY to fix, is install a few packages from unstable into stable. |
| 09:59.28 | vimp | gilead: How would I know what its dependencies are? |
| 09:59.48 | konfuzed | Shadur: ah a new upgrade that must be the complete system wide one I refered to earlier but never saw before |
| 10:00.14 | Shadur | konfuzed: New? Dist-upgrade has existed as a function since at least potato. |
| 10:00.24 | rredd4 | brb |
| 10:00.24 | gilead | vimp: I doubt there's any automatic way of doing that. |
| 10:00.37 | konfuzed | the dist-uprade command that is and I suppose new to me only but that;s cause I have only recently switched to debian |
| 10:01.16 | konfuzed | if i was using debian 2 years ago no doubt I would not have had that kernel upgrade nightmare |
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| 10:01.48 | dvm | Shadur: I have see the same problem here like rredd4 some times ago. When i had installed an computer with the 14 cd's and in the source.list there whas noted 'Unstable' and not 'Stable.' |
| 10:01.59 | konfuzed | uh was potato an actual release name like sarge |
| 10:02.08 | Shadur | konfuzed: Yes. |
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| 10:02.22 | Shadur | slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch. |
| 10:02.31 | konfuzed | mmmmm |
| 10:02.57 | Garda | hey guys. have webcam |
| 10:03.10 | rredd4 | shadur: fixed, now run apt-get update? |
| 10:03.12 | Garda | model: vp-eye |
| 10:03.26 | Garda | manufacturer: Intex |
| 10:03.34 | fireba11 | shadur add sid :-) |
| 10:03.42 | dvm | Shadur: Is that normal ? |
| 10:03.50 | konfuzed | dvm: yes i must remember to comment out those unstable sources before the next general update on my debian box |
| 10:03.51 | Garda | friend tells me i need spca5xx driver |
| 10:04.06 | Shadur | fireba11: sid is the odd one out because it will never be a stable distro. |
| 10:04.30 | fireba11 | Shadur: why that? |
| 10:04.33 | konfuzed | mixed version konflcts SUCK real BAD |
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| 10:05.16 | fireba11 | konfuzed: true. thats why you shoulnd't mix them .. use backports if you need anything newer |
| 10:06.14 | rredd4 | Shadur: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1738 |
| 10:06.18 | Shadur | fireba11: Because it's marked permanently as the codename for unstable; During each release cycle, it sheds a fork of itself into the new testing, which gets a codename and will eventually become the next stable. But sid remains sid -- Still In Development. |
| 10:06.25 | rredd4 | new and improved i hope |
| 10:06.38 | fireba11 | !sid |
| 10:06.39 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 10:06.43 | fireba11 | hm .. okay :-) |
| 10:07.12 | ootput | Is there a unicoded-encoded set for 'fixed' fonts? |
| 10:07.16 | Shadur | rredd4: Not quite - add the non-free set to your security.debian.org line as well. |
| 10:07.21 | konfuzed | well I need an unstable package because they have a fastter than usual turn around and it was the only way to get a simplified upgrade from the current release that was missing all the important new features |
| 10:07.31 | rredd4 | Shadur: k |
| 10:08.00 | fireba11 | konfuzed: then remember why unstable is called unstable and don't complain if it breaks something |
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| 10:08.22 | Shadur | konfuzed: Go read the rationale for stable, testing and unstable on the debian website. This is an old, old argument and I don't feel like rehashing it to someone who's evidently fixated on "newer == better". |
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| 10:09.39 | konfuzed | fireba11: at least that is something i try not to complain about. that is when I knowingly do something against all recommendation and it chokes |
| 10:09.49 | rredd4 | Shadur: added this --> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:10.21 | fireba11 | konfuzed: fine then .. just wanted to remind you |
| 10:10.23 | clarkf | I am trying to configure xfree86, and it is asking me for a refresh rate and a resolution. I looked on the back of my monitor, and it said "Horizontal sync: 30-80KHz" and "Vertical sync: 55-75Hz". What resolution and refresh rate should I choose? |
| 10:10.33 | Shadur | Sounds good. |
| 10:10.38 | rredd4 | Shadur: now i run apt-get update?? |
| 10:11.27 | Shadur | rredd4: No, first you need to dance the super secret debian prayer dance three times widdershins while chanting "the computer is my friend" backwards. |
| 10:11.43 | rredd4 | lol |
| 10:11.55 | ootput | what's a widdershin? |
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| 10:12.13 | rredd4 | u should c me now.. lol |
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| 10:12.13 | konfuzed | fireba11: this particular one unstable package I will probably always use as the unstable version of. because it has nothing to do with sid but the project app itself has a lot of updates that otherwise my isntall would too quickly be too far behind on the new features/functions |
| 10:12.19 | gilead | clarkf: choose something reasonable and hand-configure later, there are entries in config file where you can enter exact refresh rates |
| 10:12.35 | shart000 | does that dance summon the debian guide ? |
| 10:12.37 | Shadur | clarkf: In contact, the vertical sync is what you need to fill in as the refresh rate. Alternately, go back a few screens and pick expert mode, then fill in each sync range when it asks. |
| 10:12.42 | fireba11 | clarkf: consult your monitors manual for supported combinations of resolution/refresh rate .. also from what you told its rather old :-D |
| 10:12.46 | konfuzed | hhhhmmmmm one caveat |
| 10:12.47 | Garda | what do i have to do to get video4linux infrastructure working on sarge |
| 10:13.00 | Shadur | konfuzed: then either use unstable, period, check for a backport, or do the backporting yourself with apt-get source. |
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| 10:13.21 | clarkf | fireba11: No, just rather cheap, I think. I got it about 9 months ago, I believe. |
| 10:13.32 | fireba11 | Shadur: ohhhh. the shiny new features :-D |
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| 10:13.36 | rredd4 | Shadur: should i add any thing else before apt-get update? |
| 10:13.46 | clarkf | also, fireba11, I do not have the manual any longer. |
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| 10:13.51 | fireba11 | clarkf: i've thrown away better CRT than this .. anyway |
| 10:14.04 | clarkf | Oh, wait, yes I do. |
| 10:14.12 | konfuzed | im not sure if this unstable package is being downloaded and compiled on my kernel or as a precompiled(which then would have been done on sid) but Im pretty sure it downloads and compiles on my kernel |
| 10:14.22 | konfuzed | which is not sid |
| 10:14.30 | Shadur | rredd4: No. And could you do my rapidly evaporating patience a favor and not check every step with me before doing it? I'm not being paid to hold your hand through every single step of the way. |
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| 10:14.58 | Shadur | Your kernel is not really germane to your distribution version. |
| 10:15.24 | wousla | people who think it is easy to upgrade kernel. i just upgraded to 2.6.12. but it won't bootup, i got a blank screen. |
| 10:15.43 | rredd4 | Shadur: i did pay someone once but ty for your help |
| 10:16.39 | XoR | where i can find OpenOffice with apt-get ? |
| 10:16.40 | Shadur | wousla: It /is/ easy to upgrade your kernel. It's also easy to do something wrong and miss a crucial option. |
| 10:16.58 | clarkf | Aha! |
| 10:16.58 | bibe | wousla : how did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 10:17.00 | clarkf | There we are. |
| 10:17.02 | wousla | Shadur: i apt-get install |
| 10:17.04 | clarkf | Thank you all so much. |
| 10:17.10 | gilead | XoR: apt-cache search openoffice |
| 10:17.15 | Shadur | What kernel version were you upgrading from, how did you upgrade, and why didn't you grab 2.6.15 instead? |
| 10:17.22 | XoR | tnx gilead |
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| 10:17.28 | konfuzed | wousla: no doubt Shadur will be help to clear up that impossibility |
| 10:17.31 | Shadur | wousla: Try apt-get install kernel-package instead and compile your own. |
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| 10:18.25 | wousla | Shadur: i upgraded form 2.6.8. i am running 'testing'. the highest version, fr a search, is 2.6.12. |
| 10:18.49 | Shadur | konfuzed: I'm sorry, but your memory seems a little shorter than mine. The last time I tried to help wousla -- roughly an hour ago, now -- he first ignored my response even though it was the exact answer he needed, then flooded the channel with a paste from an error message that had no real relevance, and then started ranting when I called him on it. |
| 10:18.55 | konfuzed | Shadur: would that be after a reinstall or when his blank screen goes away |
| 10:19.02 | Shadur | With that in mind, I'm disinclined to throw pearls before swine a second time. |
| 10:19.04 | bibe | wousla : 2.6.8 is from stable, and 2.6.12 is from testing. did you 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
| 10:19.22 | Shadur | wousla: At what point did you get the blank screen? |
| 10:19.24 | konfuzed | Shadur: oh yeah that was wousla |
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| 10:19.55 | wousla | Shadur: right after the grub selection. |
| 10:20.21 | Garda | can someone explain the difference between these 2 debian packages |
| 10:20.21 | Garda | what does the smp mean |
| 10:20.21 | Garda | other |
| 10:20.21 | Garda | spca5xx-modules-2.6-k7_20060101+1_i386.deb |
| 10:20.21 | Garda | spca5xx-modules-2.6-k7-smp_20060101+1_i386.deb |
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| 10:20.40 | konfuzed | wousla: you didnt change the boot loader too did ya? although im told that has no bearing whatsoever |
| 10:20.54 | bibe | Garda : don't paste here. -smp has multiprocessor support |
| 10:21.02 | wousla | i was using grub wiht 2.6.8. |
| 10:21.04 | Garda | sorry |
| 10:21.10 | Garda | so i don't want to install that one |
| 10:21.21 | Shadur | Garda: 1) don't flood; 2) they're compiled with different kernel options. to wit, the latter is compiled for a smp-enabled kernel, which is multiprocessor support |
| 10:21.22 | konfuzed | wousla: just checking for my pattern matching |
| 10:21.23 | bibe | Garda : it depends on your hardware |
| 10:21.35 | Shadur | Garda: You need to install the one that matches your kernel version. |
| 10:21.53 | wousla | Shadur: ? |
| 10:22.01 | Garda | mine's 2.6.8.2-k7 |
| 10:22.25 | bibe | Garda : a -smp kernel works fine if you have dual processor and/or HyperThreading |
| 10:22.25 | Shadur | Garda: Also bear in mind that certain things like the P4's hyperthreading and (I think - someone correct me if I'm off kilter) the new dual cores in athlon CPUs count as multiprocessor systems for SMP purposes. |
| 10:22.42 | Garda | mine's an athlon xp |
| 10:22.56 | Garda | so i guess that's only 1 processor |
| 10:22.59 | Garda | 1 core |
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| 10:23.10 | konfuzed | Garda: then you have enough to deduce your answer |
| 10:23.44 | bibe | Garda : konfuzed is right |
| 10:23.50 | Shadur | wousla: Sorry, no clue. You might want to apt-get install kernel-package, download the latest kernel source, read the make-kpkg manpage, and learn to roll your own kernel. I haven't used debian's generic kernels in ages. |
| 10:24.01 | konfuzed | wousla: you'll need to access the hd before you can do anythig more with that box |
| 10:24.13 | Shadur | Garda: Even if it were, since you have the non-SMP kernel you need the non-SMP binary module. |
| 10:24.20 | konfuzed | say with a recovery floppy that you made before the upgrade |
| 10:24.57 | Shadur | konfuzed: Actually, if he's using grub and wasn't so stupid as to delete the old kernel before he knew for certain that the new kernel would boot properly, he can still boot into the system. |
| 10:25.26 | wousla | Shardur: what's this 'throwing pearls before swine'? u r a big bullshitter, that's all. i will fix this myself, as i have done many times before. coming to the chat is just looking for a short-cut. |
| 10:25.34 | konfuzed | or a LIVE restore CD or knoppix or what ever |
| 10:25.52 | Garda | cool. thanks everyone |
| 10:25.56 | konfuzed | short-cuts have a way of going sour |
| 10:26.05 | wousla | Shadur: u r one hell of a SOB that insult me for nothing. |
| 10:26.20 | XoR | "apt-cache search kdetv" zerro result :( |
| 10:26.30 | XoR | where i can find kdetv ? |
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| 10:27.03 | wousla | Shadur: u know a little bit and think it is a lot. |
| 10:27.16 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro must be off sleeping some where |
| 10:27.24 | Shadur | wousla: I'll have to contend that statement. I haven't actually insulted you so far - other than stating that trying to help you appears to be wasted effort since you're not listening anyway. |
| 10:27.35 | Shadur | And I rest my case. |
| 10:28.16 | konfuzed | whats with people always having a case, is that beer? |
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| 10:29.26 | Shadur | konfuzed: Originalyl a courtroom term; when one of the parties feels that they've proven their side beyond possible doubt or recovery from the opponent, they say "I rest my case, your honor". |
| 10:29.59 | konfuzed | ok so i didnt want to say oh yeah a Legal Case of Rightousness |
| 10:30.13 | konfuzed | look thats only becasue ive done accountign for law firms |
| 10:30.26 | konfuzed | lawyers and acounting nw piss me off |
| 10:30.45 | ootput | bad career choice |
| 10:30.47 | Shadur | konfuzed: In normal parlance, it's a colloquialism for "You've just proven my point for me and I don't feel the need to reinforce it further" |
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| 10:30.57 | konfuzed | im so happy a new book keeper was subcontracted to look after billing and collections |
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| 10:31.06 | konfuzed | unfortutately I need to train her |
| 10:31.15 | ootput | well at least it's a her |
| 10:31.32 | konfuzed | well yeah ok at least it is a 'her' |
| 10:31.44 | konfuzed | and actually she can speak geek too |
| 10:31.59 | konfuzed | however the appeal stops there |
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| 10:32.37 | konfuzed | on the other hand i have a great appreciation of ranyone that can handle bookkeeping or collectios with out my input |
| 10:33.36 | konfuzed | you would be amazed at how hard it can be to find a decent billing/book-keeping/collections all-in-one person |
| 10:33.39 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: ? |
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| 10:34.07 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro: do you mean about the sleeping thing |
| 10:34.24 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: Oh, wousla came back while you were away. |
| 10:34.34 | dondelelcaro | right, I saw it... |
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| 10:35.11 | konfuzed | i was just being one of those play ful words like fasicious or something but my spelling sucks |
| 10:35.49 | Shadur | facetious. |
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| 10:36.03 | konfuzed | face ti ous |
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| 10:36.19 | ootput | feces |
| 10:36.47 | konfuzed | actaully this nerdy book keeper can even do sql-shell updates to the database. |
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| 10:37.06 | ootput | another tick |
| 10:37.22 | konfuzed | but I thinks thats only because her brother is a 6'6 not quite old timer Uber-Geek-Nerd |
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| 10:38.32 | jebstark | hello. I've just updated my httpd.conf and it seems that it wont write any new data to the transferlog/errorlog. do I need to restart syslogd too, other than apache2? |
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| 10:39.07 | Shadur | jebstark: Shouldn't - normally apache doesn't even use syslog. |
| 10:39.37 | konfuzed | who was also continueally programming the ISP billing system, which is like a never ending project somehow |
| 10:39.44 | electuZ | how can i mount VMware disk? |
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| 10:40.05 | konfuzed | anyway Im just happy that I can safely hand over all this crap to her |
| 10:40.23 | fluxdude | there seems to be some confusion about authenticating to Active Directory. Is the winbind solution using the old NT logons and the ldap without winbind actually authenticating via ldap? |
| 10:40.26 | jebstark | shadur: ah, so it makes its own logs? well well.. |
| 10:40.43 | danieldk_ | So is there anyway i can make my SMP machine use both cpu's to compile? |
| 10:41.20 | konfuzed | she starts with my books on Tuesday and so I must bring her chocolates but only because I bring everyone chocolates |
| 10:41.53 | bibe | danieldk_ : use -j parameter with make |
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| 10:42.35 | danieldk_ | bibe: heh sound allmost too easy - thanks |
| 10:42.44 | Shadur | danieldk_: It *is* too easy. |
| 10:42.48 | bibe | danieldk_ : it seems that using -j<number_of_cpus + 1> works perfectly |
| 10:42.48 | konfuzed | wouldnt having the SMP kernel in place be sufficient for everything to auto compile everything with both cpus ? |
| 10:43.02 | Shadur | Unrestricted -j is a *very* bad idea on big compiles. Do specify a number. |
| 10:43.19 | konfuzed | hm |
| 10:43.42 | Shadur | konfuzed: No, SMP only means it groks both CPUs, but unless your software is multithreaded a single process will run on a single CPU. |
| 10:43.49 | bibe | konfuzed : IMHO, if make uses one job (-j) at a time, a single job can't be shared between multiple cpus |
| 10:44.01 | konfuzed | right |
| 10:44.48 | konfuzed | so on an SMP kernel would you not want the compiler to default to multithreaded support and to use both CPUs unless told not to |
| 10:45.36 | Shadur | konfuzed: You might. Or you might not. Exactly how many jobs you want to run concurrently isn't for the kernel to decide. |
| 10:45.51 | danieldk_ | bibe: nice did a make -j3 and now i see 0% id in top - NICE - thanks again |
| 10:45.54 | Shadur | konfuzed: There's a global env variable that make honors - CONCURRENCY_LEVEL or somesuch. |
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| 10:46.11 | konfuzed | ah so the -j is the number of seperate compiling streams taking place |
| 10:46.17 | Shadur | Or that's just make-kpkg specific. |
| 10:46.24 | konfuzed | vs telling one job to use both cpus |
| 10:46.43 | Shadur | konfuzed: You *can't* run a single process on two cores at once. |
| 10:47.05 | konfuzed | i thought that was the point of multi threaded |
| 10:47.08 | Shadur | For starters, each core has its own local memory cache. |
| 10:47.17 | konfuzed | or is each thred a child processs |
| 10:47.23 | Shadur | konfuzed: Bingo. |
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| 10:47.31 | Shadur | Each thread is a separate process. |
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| 10:47.46 | konfuzed | seee i thought the one process would be multi-thread in nature |
| 10:48.13 | konfuzed | but my lack of programming kept me from that knowledge |
| 10:48.29 | Shadur | konfuzed: Most programs have this thing about expecting stuff they want done being done in the sequence they want it done in. If that doesn't happen... Bad things. |
| 10:48.29 | konfuzed | Shadur: thanks for the clarification |
| 10:48.49 | konfuzed | yeah I just mulling that over |
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| 10:49.08 | konfuzed | how bout some timing injection |
| 10:49.15 | konfuzed | er maybe not ;^) |
| 10:49.22 | Shadur | konfuzed: Suppose an iteration loop counting X from 1 to 85 is followed by something a bit later that decrements X again? Imagine if somehow the processor decided to go ahead and decrement while it's still in the loop... |
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| 10:50.04 | Shadur | konfuzed: Look up on thread-locking, mutexes, semaphores and the "Dining Philosophers" problem set. |
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| 10:50.38 | Shadur | And again, all of this depends on a single process thread running on a single core. |
| 10:50.55 | konfuzed | so apps can only take advantage of SMP environements if they actually have more than one item to figure out at a time |
| 10:51.23 | konfuzed | dining philosophers - i like the way that puzzle zoundz |
| 10:51.57 | Shadur | konfuzed: Fortunately, a lot of software these days does have more than one thing to do at any one time, but that's not the same thing as saying all software is thread-safe. |
| 10:52.49 | konfuzed | so like an editor, be it vi or anything else they'll never be a multi-threaded version cuz only one character can be manipulated at a time to maintain consistency |
| 10:52.57 | konfuzed | or is that just out the window |
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| 10:53.53 | Shadur | konfuzed: VI is about as linear as you'll find, yes. But literally anything with a GUI is going to have a use for threading. |
| 10:53.54 | konfuzed | ive got this one box running Apache 2 Multi-Thread and Apache 2 non multi |
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| 10:54.56 | Metrics | Hi all. Just a quick question to those running unstable...and I know its really subjective, but what sort of downloads do you get each week? |
| 10:55.00 | Shadur | konfuzed: Bear in mind that for the sake of brevity I'm very massively oversimplifying. Again, googling for the subjects I mentioned is probably a good start if you want to learn. |
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| 10:55.32 | Metrics | I mean updates, in size? |
| 10:55.41 | nkuttler | Metrics: totally depends on what you have installed |
| 10:55.56 | konfuzed | ok so guis need to do all that graphics updates at once but is that threading more handled by GDM or xorg or does GVIM actually get into multi-threading aswell |
| 10:56.05 | Metrics | nkuttler: Pretty simple system on a laptop...so running X.org, fvwm...kde-base. |
| 10:56.07 | Shadur | Metrics: Depends. I upgrade about once a day, sometimes once every few days. Downloads vary from none at all to a hundred megs depending on what I have installed and whether Xorg and/or Openoffice.org have been upgrded. |
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| 10:56.34 | Metrics | Shadur: Yeah, that's what I thought. It's the big packages that make the difference. |
| 10:56.48 | Ketter | how could I manage to get this.domain.nl for the public to serve the same as for this.domain.nl within a lan (nat and proxy crossed our minds..). Same content, 2 diffrent networks (lan/wan) and the same name.. any hints ? |
| 10:56.54 | Shadur | konfuzed: Threading is just one way to solve that particular issue, and it brings its own problems (Again, see: threadlocking, mutexes, semaphores and dining philosophers) |
| 10:56.55 | konfuzed | wouldnt GVIM, for instance, pass the multi-thread stuff back to the GUI |
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| 10:57.49 | Metrics | Shadur: What's unstable like at the moment...any major breakages? |
| 10:57.52 | Shadur | konfuzed: No, it passes all the GUI interactions to the GUI library - gtk+, IIRC - and provides the hooks for what to do when something happens. The gtk+ library handles the happening things. |
| 10:57.53 | konfuzed | k nuf for now, but I do like to keep those processing mechanics cleat when I can |
| 10:58.01 | Shadur | Metrics: No major ones that I can see. |
| 10:58.28 | Metrics | Shadur: Just about to get a new lappy and want to make sure all the hardware is supported...and the easiest way is to use unstable, but I have internet access issues. |
| 10:58.39 | Metrics | Shadur: Excellent. |
| 10:59.02 | konfuzed | i certainly see other reasons for apps to get into multi threading beyond dealing witht the gui |
| 10:59.42 | Shadur | Metrics: googling for your laptop brand and the words "debian linux" might be a good start to check that. |
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| 10:59.59 | Shadur | konfuzed: Actually, GUI is the least of the reasons to multithread. |
| 11:00.04 | konfuzed | multi-thread databases are fun but thats why they usually demand-require transactions and roll-backs to be enabled |
| 11:00.14 | Metrics | Shadur: Yeah...done that. Should be okay. In fact, most laptops these days seem to be running the same main hardware anyway. |
| 11:00.15 | mentorofAustria | Apparently, it's testing that's fucked at the moment |
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| 11:00.25 | Shadur | Things like big databases or servers tend to have uses for it. |
| 11:00.33 | konfuzed | fun race conditios on the DB farm |
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| 11:00.45 | Metrics | Shadur: Did an install for a friend on similar hardware recently, and I just know I had to pull some stuff from unstable into a stable system. |
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| 11:01.15 | konfuzed | crap my alarm goe soff in an hour and half and im still not sleepy |
| 11:01.28 | Shadur | konfuzed: Also, bear in mind that the fork() system call is another way to handle multiprocessing; a lot of servers use that, especially when it's not really important to them to keep in sync with their fellows. |
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| 11:01.38 | ttz | hi there |
| 11:02.12 | konfuzed | i better lie down anyway |
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| 11:02.14 | Shadur | konfuzed: Yeah, race conditions are why threadlocking and all sorts of careful checks are needed when you set up SMP. |
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| 11:02.49 | konfuzed | yes fork() i hear more about or see it in use more I suppose or maybe those programmers talking amongst themselves |
| 11:03.00 | konfuzed | or maybe they were talking about me |
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| 11:03.11 | Metrics | konfuzed: It's just easier to use fork. |
| 11:03.27 | fken | hi I installed winXP after installing linux by unplugin the linux hard drive : then i dunno how to make grub able to boot the windows partition. can you help me ? |
| 11:03.32 | Metrics | konfuzed: And a lot of the times it just makes more sense. |
| 11:04.09 | bibe | fken : add the following lines to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 11:04.15 | konfuzed | for the longest time I've had the impression that this SMP thing still isnt fully worked out in terms of practical programming ease |
| 11:04.59 | mentorofAustria | Nothing has been worked out in practical proramming ease. |
| 11:05.00 | bibe | title Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition; root (hd0,0); savedefault; makeactive; chainloader +1 |
| 11:05.14 | konfuzed | i come from the keep it simple camp so almost always defer to the simpler solution/aproach that delivers on the results needed |
| 11:05.16 | mentorofAustria | Copmuter Science and Programming are still new. |
| 11:05.19 | Shadur | konfuzed: It isn't. Writing safe multithreaded code isn't a kiddie game. |
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| 11:05.30 | ttz | I am looking for a clean way to add a route at startup (not the default gateway). I have had a glance at Debian networking documentation, but I couldn't find something relevant |
| 11:05.43 | bibe | ttz : man interfaces |
| 11:05.44 | fken | bibe : already done : grub try to boot and say that the partition isnt recognized |
| 11:05.48 | jm_ | ttz: man interfaces; read stuff in $docdir/ifupdown |
| 11:05.51 | Shadur | konfuzed: Bear in mind that the whole field of programming is, in many ways, less than six decades old at the outmost. |
| 11:05.59 | bibe | ttz : jm_ is right |
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| 11:06.12 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 11:06.12 | jm_ | bibe: rootnoverify |
| 11:06.16 | konfuzed | Shadur: I've been mostly looking to avoid SMP but this apache 2 multi-thread was required for something |
| 11:06.20 | ttz | bibe: I have searched 'route' in interfaces(5) manpage, and found nothing relevant... |
| 11:06.24 | ttz | jm_: thank you |
| 11:06.41 | Shadur | konfuzed: You don't need an SMP system to run multi-threaded software. |
| 11:06.59 | fken | bibe :by the way, hd0,0 is my sata disk (if i believe my bios) |
| 11:07.01 | clojster | hi, how can I enable mouse in console? |
| 11:07.09 | jm_ | gpm |
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| 11:07.15 | Shadur | clojster: you need to install - what jm sayd. |
| 11:07.19 | konfuzed | just like this single cpu box running apache 1 multi-tread |
| 11:07.32 | clojster | ok |
| 11:07.45 | merci_ | hi all |
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| 11:08.01 | fken | bibe : i think linux need to take the mbr of the windows disk but i dunno how to tell it to do so |
| 11:08.26 | konfuzed | although it appears to be an obvious no brainer that SMP software is only worthwhile on multi cpu systems, i recognize this is not the case |
| 11:08.35 | Shadur | fken: Not really. |
| 11:08.39 | Shadowcat | fken: what are you trying to do? |
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| 11:08.44 | Shadur | konfuzed: There is no "SMP software". |
| 11:08.49 | Shadur | Aside from the kernel, that is. |
| 11:09.08 | Shadowcat | Shadur: shush |
| 11:09.10 | konfuzed | its just more difficult to implement the best SMP possibillties I would think |
| 11:09.16 | fken | Shadowcat: to make grub recognize my windows disk (i installed windows by unplugin linux disk) |
| 11:09.21 | konfuzed | hmmmm |
| 11:09.28 | rindolf | How can I define moderators to a Sympa mailing list? I'm using Debian Sarge, and cannot find anything in WWSympa. |
| 11:09.31 | Shadowcat | "SMP Software", or software with the ability to take advantage of multiple processors, does exist |
| 11:09.41 | Shadur | There is multithreaded software, which has distinct advantages over non-threaded software when running on an SMP system, but even single-threaded software can benefit. |
| 11:09.56 | konfuzed | the apps have to speak SMP language to the kernels SMP ears |
| 11:10.04 | Shadur | konfuzed: No, they don't. |
| 11:10.10 | bibe | fken : is windows on another disk? |
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| 11:10.18 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: they just either have to use multiple threads, or have multiple processes. |
| 11:10.29 | fken | bibe: yes |
| 11:10.33 | bibe | fken : can you mount the windows partition? what device is it? (/dev/hda) |
| 11:10.35 | Shadur | They just say "I need to start a new process" and let the kernel interface worry about the details. |
| 11:10.56 | konfuzed | a nix have multiple processes ? you mean one app with multiple as in child processes |
| 11:11.02 | fken | bibe: yes its hda |
| 11:11.22 | konfuzed | how 'all' turn out as just 'a' |
| 11:11.24 | Shadur | konfuzed: Well, duh. |
| 11:11.38 | Shadur | That's more or less what the fork() syscall does, after all. |
| 11:11.44 | bibe | fken : did you try adding also 'rootnoverify' as jm_ told me? |
| 11:12.00 | konfuzed | all nix have multiple processes so you mean one app with multiple as in child processes |
| 11:12.03 | Shadur | rootnoverify, then chainloader +1 |
| 11:12.27 | Shadur | konfuzed: You can't have a multiuser system without supporting multiple processes. Try to grok this. |
| 11:12.43 | konfuzed | i groked that part no prob |
| 11:12.46 | fken | bibe: no i dunno what you are speaking about: whats rootnoverify ? and why did my computer work without this line before? |
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| 11:13.05 | Shadur | konfuzed: And *everything* is a "child process" of init. |
| 11:13.18 | Shadur | konfuzed: try using the -f flag to ps sometime. |
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| 11:13.40 | clarkf | Apache2 keeps dying and saying "segfault". It says "./usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 100: 2336 Segmentation fault $HTTPD -k start -DSSL" |
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| 11:14.08 | Shadur | ... Including that period? |
| 11:14.10 | konfuzed | i misunderstood dondelelcaro refering to child processes, i infered he meant the daemons and such |
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| 11:14.22 | konfuzed | hm ok |
| 11:14.25 | fireba11 | clarkf: no fun :-) |
| 11:14.34 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: it doesn't really make much of a difference... a process is just a process. |
| 11:14.42 | fireba11 | clarkf: tried to update it ? |
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| 11:14.50 | konfuzed | so as init the first master process everything else being a child |
| 11:14.56 | Shadur | konfuzed: The distinction is meaningless - a thread is a process is a thread. |
| 11:15.04 | shart000 | where can I find a list of official debian repositories (I tried googling it, debian.org etc) no luck |
| 11:15.08 | Shadur | konfuzed: Well, technically the kernel would be the first master. |
| 11:15.16 | Shadowcat | shart000: on debian.org |
| 11:15.18 | konfuzed | and there for all nix is SMP |
| 11:15.25 | konfuzed | certainly theres a fine line somewhere |
| 11:15.30 | fireba11 | shart000: there is a complete package list on debian.org |
| 11:15.33 | Shadur | konfuzed: No, there isn't. |
| 11:15.37 | Kimy | hi, I'm using debian does anyone know what's the command to update the kernel ? apt-get kernel ? |
| 11:15.37 | konfuzed | poop |
| 11:15.45 | shart000 | Shadowcat: hidden away where i cannot find it |
| 11:15.50 | Shadowcat | Kimy: why do you need to upgrade the kernel? |
| 11:15.51 | konfuzed | ok ill stay for this one |
| 11:16.03 | Shadowcat | shart000: then you must not be looking very hard |
| 11:16.08 | Kimy | Shadowcat tell me pls the command for that :/ |
| 11:16.10 | Shadur | SMP refers to a system with multiple CPUs. It isn't actually related to multithreading beyond the word "multi" in the phrase. |
| 11:16.13 | Kimy | i want another kernel |
| 11:16.14 | fken | bibe: ? whats the consequences of rootnoverify? |
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| 11:16.21 | Shadowcat | Kimy: WHY do you need to upgrade it? |
| 11:16.21 | fireba11 | Kimy: search an appropriate kernel with apt-cache search, then install with apt-get install kernel-image... |
| 11:16.30 | Kimy | fireba11 thankiu |
| 11:16.34 | clarkf | fireba11: I'm not sure, but I reinstalled it and it quit doing whatever it was doing. |
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| 11:16.40 | Shadur | fken: means it doesn't bother trying to read the partition. Handy if it doesn't grok the filesystem on it. |
| 11:16.40 | konfuzed | so technically two kinds of SMP - one hardware and one software |
| 11:16.43 | clarkf | Sorry, and thank you. |
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| 11:16.53 | Shadowcat | fireba11: if he's using stable, that advice is useless |
| 11:16.53 | fireba11 | clarkf: so probably the binary was borked |
| 11:16.58 | Shadur | konfuzed: Stop using that acronym. |
| 11:16.58 | Shadowcat | you _do_ know that right? |
| 11:17.01 | rindolf | How can I define moderators to a Sympa mailing list? I'm using Debian Sarge, and cannot find anything in WWSympa. |
| 11:17.18 | fireba11 | Shadowcat: and why would that be ? |
| 11:17.20 | Shadowcat | fireba11: he probably wants to run 2.6.15 or something like that and is using Sarge |
| 11:17.26 | fken | Shadur: thank you : ill try that |
| 11:17.33 | Shadowcat | in which case, we're back to step one, WHY does he need a newer kernel? |
| 11:17.34 | fluxdude | Winbind/Kerberos/Ldap is no longer authenticating successfully against Active Directory now it's in native mode! |
| 11:17.51 | konfuzed | Shadur: I was just gonna say is that two different acronyms cuz there has to be a consistent way to refer to the difference between hardware and software SMP |
| 11:17.52 | fireba11 | Shadowcat: since he didn't say so i told him how to upgrade to another sarge kernel, cuold be he was still using 2.4 kernel |
| 11:18.06 | zignig | fluxdude: AD bleh , AD = munted kerberos + munted ldap. |
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| 11:18.20 | Kimy | Shadowcat i just want another kernel version that's all |
| 11:18.26 | Kimy | a newer one |
| 11:18.30 | iskorptix | hi i have removed firestarter and when i boot all the time it still trys to run i get abox saying enter root password for it to Run even tho its not there anymore. |
| 11:18.36 | zignig | fluxdude: is that after a SP1 upgrade ? |
| 11:18.37 | Shadowcat | Kimy: and you're running what, Sarge? |
| 11:18.46 | Shadowcat | Kimy: again, WHY do you need a newer kernel? |
| 11:18.57 | Kimy | Shadowcat because i just want that :) |
| 11:19.00 | fken | reboot : see ya and thank you guys for your support |
| 11:19.05 | iskorptix | ? |
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| 11:19.12 | Metrics | konfuzed: SMP stands for Symmetric MultiProcessing...which I'm sure you knew. But it refers to the hardware kind. |
| 11:19.32 | Shadowcat | Kimy: people in here aren't gonna teach you how to get 2.6.<whatever> just because of that |
| 11:19.41 | zignig | iskorptix: check in /etc/init.d/ and /etc/rc.d and make sure all the firestarter files are gone. |
| 11:19.44 | Kimy | Shadowcat i fixed the problem, thankiu |
| 11:19.55 | Shadowcat | it's far more complicated than aptitude install linux-image-2.6.15.1-1-i486 |
| 11:20.06 | zignig | Shadowcat: no it is ;P |
| 11:20.17 | fireba11 | Shadowcat i486 ? :-) |
| 11:20.22 | Shadowcat | zignig: just because you run untable :P |
| 11:20.31 | Shadowcat | fireba11: take a look in the unstable repository lately? |
| 11:20.36 | Shadowcat | there's no i386 anymore |
| 11:20.45 | zignig | Shadowcat: i'm running a 3.7.21 kernel actuall ( i'm from the future ) :P |
| 11:20.54 | Shadowcat | unstable* |
| 11:20.56 | fireba11 | Shadowcat: no, i didn't *having a look* |
| 11:21.08 | konfuzed | Metrics: so SMP refers in no way to software (other than kernel deciding which cpu for the thread) software references so stick with multi-thread and forking references. |
| 11:21.10 | konfuzed | is that correct |
| 11:21.16 | Gnea | !smp |
| 11:21.17 | dpkg | hmm... smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 11:21.24 | konfuzed | language screws up so many things |
| 11:21.32 | Shadowcat | zignig: you'd think a guy from the future would spell correctly |
| 11:21.35 | Shadowcat | it's shield |
| 11:21.38 | Shadowcat | get it right! |
| 11:21.50 | zignig | Shadowcat: :P , that's the 2053 spelling , actually :P |
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| 11:22.01 | zignig | Shadowcat: jeez some people. |
| 11:22.02 | Gnea | konfuzed: not language, but lack of education. |
| 11:22.03 | Shadowcat | now shush |
| 11:22.08 | konfuzed | i was gonna do !smp but thought it was a tad redundent but I'm glad you did |
| 11:22.10 | zignig | Shadowcat: nooooooo! |
| 11:22.18 | djp | does rsync keep a log file anywhere? |
| 11:22.24 | Kimy | Shadowcat is this a help channel or not? |
| 11:22.29 | Metrics | konfuzed: Yep. |
| 11:22.34 | iskorptix | zigin ty |
| 11:22.34 | zignig | Shadowcat: I have a MS free household ( except for an osX rdesktop client ) , but that's work. |
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| 11:22.42 | Shadur | djp: Not unless you ask it to, I think. I'm kind of curious why you keep asking, though... |
| 11:22.42 | zignig | iskorptix: no problem. |
| 11:22.47 | Gnea | djp: not by default, you need to generate one |
| 11:22.50 | Metrics | konfuzed: Yep. |
| 11:22.56 | konfuzed | Gnea: most teachers believe it is the students fault for not being able to learn what they are teaching |
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| 11:23.00 | zignig | Shadowcat: what's your network at home then ? |
| 11:23.06 | fluxdude | zignig: ok, any useful advice? |
| 11:23.11 | Shadowcat | Kimy: look, you want to upgrade to say 2.6.15, which means that you need to run debian unstable |
| 11:23.17 | zignig | fluxdude: be nice to your mother. |
| 11:23.24 | Gnea | konfuzed: it's not the student's fault that their parents are fucknuts |
| 11:23.27 | Shadowcat | Kimy: and you asking that question indicates that you have no idea of how dangerous unstable is |
| 11:23.37 | Shadur | Shadowcat: Either that or install kernel-package and learn to compile his own kernels. :) |
| 11:23.40 | fluxdude | disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" what does it mean? |
| 11:23.40 | fluxdude | [11:19] <dracony> iamben: kernel ready, re |
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| 11:23.46 | Shadowcat | Kimy: which means that if you DO switch to it, you'll fuck up, eventually generating more headaches for us |
| 11:23.48 | konfuzed | it is the teachers fault for not being able to figure out how to teach in the way best suited to that students learning |
| 11:23.50 | zignig | fluxdude: hmmm , how are you tring to authenticate atm ? kerb or ldap ? |
| 11:23.57 | marcel__ | I need some help with WEBMIN |
| 11:24.02 | Shadowcat | Kimy: which gets us back to, us not helping you get there unless you have a better reason |
| 11:24.03 | Kimy | kim@linux:~$ cat /etc/issue |
| 11:24.03 | Kimy | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 11:24.05 | marcel__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.06 | Shadur | marcel__, please go to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and pay careful attention to the suggestions there. It'll improve your chances of getting a useful answer. |
| 11:24.09 | konfuzed | Gnea: true but usually the student and the child is blamed regardless |
| 11:24.12 | djp | Shadur, looking for a way to keep a track of changes across a network. my earlier question was regarding changes made to directories made from the gui and not the bash prompt... files have gone missing, basically. |
| 11:24.14 | Kimy | Shadowcat i have the reason to know |
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| 11:24.26 | djp | thanks Gnea |
| 11:24.33 | Gnea | konfuzed: blame is one thing, solution and result are entirely different |
| 11:24.35 | fluxdude | zignig: ok, any useful advice regarding why I can no longer authenticate to Windows AD now it's in native mode |
| 11:24.40 | zignig | djp: backup , backup , backup and samhaim. |
| 11:24.45 | Shadowcat | Kimy: ok then, use aptitude to search and install your kernel, and if it segfaults, don't complain |
| 11:24.46 | Kimy | that is unfriendly what you do here.. i am asking something you answer with another question |
| 11:24.56 | Kimy | you are not obligated to help me.. but be a lil more friendlier pls |
| 11:25.05 | Shadowcat | Kimy: I AM friendly |
| 11:25.12 | Kimy | Shadowcat told you i fixed the problem |
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| 11:25.15 | marcel__ | Shadur, Please do not assume that I have not followed protocol. |
| 11:25.16 | Kimy | thankiu.. |
| 11:25.17 | djp | zignig, for sure... that's why i was thinking of using rsync |
| 11:25.17 | zignig | fluxdude: native mode on ..... ? |
| 11:25.19 | Kimy | anyways.. have fun |
| 11:25.22 | Shadowcat | Kimy: well good4u then |
| 11:25.32 | fken | it does not work |
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| 11:25.39 | zignig | djp: I have found bacula quite good. |
| 11:25.40 | Gnea | Kimy: no, that's just the way things are: in order to figure out what the problem is, the concept of troubleshooting may be required. if you don't like it, then you obviously don't need to have the problem fixed. |
| 11:25.41 | Shadur | Kimy: That *was* us being friendly. If you want us to go for unfriendly, I'm sure we can arrange something. |
| 11:25.59 | zignig | Shadur: bring out the mwilson ! |
| 11:26.02 | Shadur | djp: I recommend making backups. |
| 11:26.14 | fken | i am wondering if its not a device map issue |
| 11:26.20 | Gnea | !tell Kimy -about ask |
| 11:26.21 | Metrics | fken: Is it faulting at grub, or at Windows. |
| 11:26.23 | Kimy | :( |
| 11:26.30 | Kimy | Gnea i was talking with Shadowcat |
| 11:26.32 | Gnea | there is a protocol to be followed |
| 11:26.33 | Shadowcat | most people "wanting to run the latest kernel" would be helpless if unstable screwed up |
| 11:26.37 | Kimy | you guys are nice.. i don't have any prbl |
| 11:26.37 | Gnea | Kimy: this is an open forum. |
| 11:26.46 | fken | metrics i think grub but i am not sure |
| 11:26.55 | Shadur | Kimy: No, you were talking in the channel. That means anyone who feels they have anything relevant to say is free to contribute. |
| 11:26.55 | fluxdude | zignig: yes, I just switched it on to see if it would break and it did (test domain so this is ok) |
| 11:27.07 | Metrics | fken: Cause windows normally overwrites the MBR, so unless you actually fixed it using a live CD then the Windows install might be borked. |
| 11:27.09 | Shadur | Kian|taffe: Thanks for sharing that. We really appreciate it. |
| 11:27.11 | Kimy | i was adressing to Shadowcat not to you all |
| 11:27.12 | Kimy | . |
| 11:27.20 | konfuzed | Kimy: you cant even force me to upgrade a kernel with out it being a critical dependecy anymore |
| 11:27.22 | zignig | fluxdude: hmm , turn it bak on and check some tcp dumps to see what the difference is. |
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| 11:27.33 | Kimy | I'm not forcing anyome |
| 11:27.36 | Kimy | anyone* |
| 11:27.39 | Kimy | to do something.. sorry |
| 11:27.43 | Gnea | Kimy: so what's your problem? |
| 11:27.44 | fluxdude | the lovely thing with this is that you can't switch back to mixed mode once you've gone to native mode. |
| 11:27.47 | fken | Metrics:windows hasnt been allozed to overwrite my mbr : i unplugged linux hd to install it |
| 11:27.51 | Kimy | Gnea i don't have any problem |
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| 11:27.52 | zignig | fluxdude: in my experience linux -> AD auth is picky at the best of time. |
| 11:27.53 | Shadowcat | Kimy: this is the way we deal with people wanting to run the latest and greatest |
| 11:27.54 | Kimy | i just told that |
| 11:27.56 | djp | Shadur, yes, i will be! ;) thanks for your help Shadur |
| 11:28.02 | Shadowcat | Kimy: if you have a valid reason, we will help you |
| 11:28.04 | Gnea | Kimy: oh, debian's running just fine then? |
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| 11:28.09 | Kimy | Shadowcat.. i was asking nice.. you where rude to me |
| 11:28.13 | Metrics | fken: But then when you plugged the linux disk back in, it booted straight away> |
| 11:28.14 | konfuzed | Kimy: also we have or at least I have or at there have been a few discsussion in the past couple of hours about the merrits and risks of upgrading the kernel |
| 11:28.14 | Kimy | Gnea yes |
| 11:28.14 | Shadowcat | but as I said, "I want to run the latest" isn't a good enough reason |
| 11:28.15 | Metrics | ? |
| 11:28.20 | Kimy | i just needed a command nothing more |
| 11:28.30 | Shadur | Kimy: Shadowcat was *not* being rude. He was trying to save you from making a really bad mistake. |
| 11:28.31 | Kimy | uf :( |
| 11:28.32 | Gnea | oh, obviously a translation issue. |
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| 11:28.36 | fluxdude | i've been doing nt4 auth fine, and now against AD using winbind + kerberos but I never set up ldap so i recon native AD uses Ldap only, that's why it's not working |
| 11:28.38 | Shadowcat | Kimy: you wanted a command, you didn't need anything |
| 11:28.47 | Kimy | Shadur if i do a mistake I'll reinstall it all.. and that's it |
| 11:28.52 | fken | Metrics: yes but i only can chang the os thanks to my BIOS command |
| 11:28.52 | Gnea | people who are offended by mis-interpretation need to chill out. |
| 11:28.52 | JohnCC | Hi all, I'm having a bit of a weird problem with one of my hard drives. Occassionally it'll start making an intermittent grinding noise (it'll make the noise, be silent for 3-5 seconds, then make the noise again). It'll do this for a minute or two, then go silent again for a while. I've run badblocks & fsck on the drive I can umount, and badblocks on the main drive, and nothing has shown up... any ideas? |
| 11:28.57 | Kimy | I'm not an expert but I'm learning |
| 11:28.59 | Shadowcat | if say, 2.6.15 has a module that you need to run your hardware |
| 11:29.03 | Shadowcat | we will help you upgrade to it |
| 11:29.05 | zignig | fluxdude: 2003 AD ? |
| 11:29.05 | Shadur | Kimy: You wanted a command. You needed advice. We decided to be nice and gave you what you needed rather than what you wanted. |
| 11:29.14 | The_B_Jobb | why is my df reporting "/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1" in stead of /dev/hda1? |
| 11:29.19 | Kimy | hmzz guys.. this isn't going anywhere |
| 11:29.20 | Shadowcat | if however you want to run 2.6.15 just for the fun of it, it's not a good enough reason |
| 11:29.21 | Shadur | If you really insist, we can also give you what you deserve, instead. |
| 11:29.23 | Metrics | fken: Ahh.. |
| 11:29.27 | konfuzed | kimy shadur tells me it is near impossible to mess up a kernel upgrade but i disagree |
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| 11:29.38 | Shadowcat | newest != better in open source |
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| 11:29.43 | djp | Gnea, do i generate a log file by using --log-format= ? |
| 11:29.45 | Gnea | Kimy: thank you for stating the obvious. now, what command do you need to do what? |
| 11:29.50 | Kimy | I was using mandriva i got hacked because of the kernel version |
| 11:29.50 | Shadur | konfuzed: If you know what you're doing and are reasonably careful, it is. |
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| 11:29.57 | Kimy | they installed a rootkit on my sistem |
| 11:29.58 | Kimy | ok.. |
| 11:30.02 | Kimy | now I'm a lil paranoic |
| 11:30.06 | Kimy | and i want to upgrade my kernel |
| 11:30.07 | Kimy | that's all |
| 11:30.09 | Shadur | Kimy: No, you got "hacked" because you didn't keep up security patches. |
| 11:30.16 | tarzeau | Kimy: www.kernel.org just do it |
| 11:30.17 | Kimy | or maybe of that |
| 11:30.24 | Shadowcat | Kimy: let me tell you something, 2.6.14 was just broken in Debian |
| 11:30.24 | Kimy | but they messed everything up |
| 11:30.24 | dondelelcaro | Kimy: the stable version gets security fixes backported to it |
| 11:30.32 | tarzeau | Kimy: php? wu-software? |
| 11:30.35 | Gnea | Kimy: so you wiped out mandriva and installed debian, now you want to upgrade the kernel? |
| 11:30.37 | tarzeau | weak passwords? |
| 11:30.40 | Shadowcat | and god knows when 2.6.15 will get broken |
| 11:30.40 | Kimy | yes Gnea |
| 11:30.44 | dondelelcaro | Kimy: so if you need to be secure, you should be running only software that is distributed in stable. |
| 11:30.46 | Metrics | fken: The way I've done it in the past is to just install win, with linux hdd still active, and then use a live cd to bring back grub. |
| 11:30.51 | konfuzed | Gnea: see that offended my misinterpretation stuff is a language problem and not an education problem |
| 11:30.52 | Gnea | Kimy: what kernel version were you running with mandriva? |
| 11:31.00 | Metrics | fken: Just be real careful when selecting what to partition in the win install. |
| 11:31.11 | Shadowcat | Gnea: and I get blasted for trying to stop a major screwup ahead |
| 11:31.16 | Shadowcat | why do I bother :( |
| 11:31.21 | Shadur | Kimy: Also, I really, REALLY doubt that there was a remote-root exploit directly in the kernel. Most likely, you had something else that was vulnerable that gave them the access. |
| 11:31.24 | fken | Shadowcat: broken? how so ? I am using 2.6.14 since a lot of time then you are scaring me... |
| 11:31.28 | tarzeau | zignig: wlan? |
| 11:31.28 | Kimy | Gnea i don't have mandriva anymore i had 2.6.. and.. |
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| 11:31.38 | Gnea | konfuzed: no, it's an education problem because some people have not been properly educated to NOT take things so blatantly seriously at full face value |
| 11:31.39 | zignig | tarzeau: a hammer then ? |
| 11:31.42 | zignig | :) |
| 11:31.42 | Shadowcat | fken: 2.6.14-1 was broken in unstable, it STILL is |
| 11:31.50 | Guerin | tarzeau: 1. take scissors; 2. stab holes in wlan card |
| 11:31.51 | Kimy | Shadur i think the apache was vulnerabil |
| 11:31.56 | Shadur | Shadowcat: Pearls before swine, my friend, pearls before swine, Yet we persist, against experience and our better judgement. We're just eternal optimists. |
| 11:31.56 | tarzeau | Guerin: hehe ;) |
| 11:31.57 | zignig | Guerin: right on! |
| 11:31.58 | Shadowcat | fken: if you're using ide with that kernel, it won't boot, period |
| 11:32.01 | fireba11 | Shadowcat: dang .. packages.debian.org is still down |
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| 11:32.02 | Kimy | i was mad because everytime i rebootet i got a crash |
| 11:32.06 | fken | lol |
| 11:32.11 | Kimy | and there was nothing i could fix |
| 11:32.15 | Shadur | Kimy: Very possible, but apache isn't the kernel. |
| 11:32.16 | Kimy | so i changed the distribution |
| 11:32.19 | fken | Shadowcat: lol |
| 11:32.23 | Guerin | tarzeau: WARNING: may detrimentally affect signal strength |
| 11:32.26 | Kimy | Shadur i just told.. that someone hacked me |
| 11:32.34 | Kimy | they where using the kernel to get root access |
| 11:32.40 | Shadur | Kimy: [12:29] <Kimy> I was using mandriva i got hacked because of the kernel version |
| 11:32.41 | fken | so metrics, shadowcat fund the solution ! |
| 11:32.46 | Kimy | and to install a rootkit on it |
| 11:32.46 | Gnea | Kimy: how long have you been sitting down at the computer, pulling your hair out? |
| 11:32.49 | Kimy | yes |
| 11:32.53 | Shadowcat | Kimy: look you just switched to debian, you have no idea of how the debian distribution system is structured |
| 11:32.55 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: that version isn't even in unstable anymore. |
| 11:33.00 | Kimy | Gnea very long |
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| 11:33.04 | Shadowcat | Kimy: testing/unstable is the DEVELOPMENT TREE OF DEBIAN |
| 11:33.13 | Kimy | Shadowcat i got no idea but I'm learning |
| 11:33.14 | Shadowcat | Kimy: you shouldn't be running it unless you know what you are doing |
| 11:33.16 | Kimy | told that allready |
| 11:33.17 | dondelelcaro | !+info linux-image-2.6.14-1-386 |
| 11:33.18 | Shadowcat | you don't seem to get that |
| 11:33.19 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 11:33.29 | Shadowcat | Kimy: THEN FOLLOW ADVICE WHEN IT'S GIVEN |
| 11:33.33 | Shadowcat | instead of blasting me |
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| 11:33.35 | Gnea | Kimy: has it occurred that perhaps you need to take a break, maybe get a snack or something, then come back to the problem? |
| 11:33.35 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: lay off the caps please. |
| 11:33.38 | ootput | hi guys, it's my first time using slrn (previously using gui readers.) how do i disable the instance where slrn would mark articles for deletion after they've been read? |
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| 11:33.48 | Kimy | Gnea i don't have any problem |
| 11:33.49 | Shadowcat | I'm a debian developer, OF COURSE I DON'T know what I'm doing |
| 11:33.54 | Gnea | Shadowcat: chill dude. |
| 11:33.55 | fken | Shadowcat: thank you (for having found what create my hd boot issue) |
| 11:33.59 | Kimy | Shadowcat i didn't told that |
| 11:34.01 | Shadur | Kimy: Without condemnation, let me tell you that judging by what you've said so far and how you've said it, you need to stick to the stable tree and trust the debian security team to take care of the problems. |
| 11:34.03 | Kimy | i just told you that you are rude! |
| 11:34.04 | Kimy | basta |
| 11:34.06 | Kimy | have a nice day |
| 11:34.14 | Shadur | Shadowcat: Ease up, he's not worth blowing a gasket over. |
| 11:34.18 | djp | Gnea, how do you generate a log file for rsync? i have looked at the rsync manual but can only find a reference to log formatting? |
| 11:34.22 | ootput | Shadowcat: chill |
| 11:34.29 | Shadowcat | Shadur: actually I think it's a she |
| 11:34.29 | Kimy | I'm a girl.. :/ |
| 11:34.33 | ootput | Shadowcat: she got the point |
| 11:34.34 | Shadowcat | bingo |
| 11:34.35 | Gnea | Kimy: such reactionary behavior doesn't get anyone anywhere. |
| 11:34.53 | Shadur | Kimy: Amazingly, none of us care. |
| 11:34.54 | Shadowcat | Kimy: we tell people a lot of things they don't want to hear |
| 11:34.55 | Gnea | yes, i figured that out the moment you entered |
| 11:35.03 | Shadowcat | it's called experience |
| 11:35.03 | Shadur | But I'll correct myself. |
| 11:35.05 | Gnea | Kimy: you aren't the only girl here |
| 11:35.12 | Kimy | uff just leave me alone and help someone else :/ I'm not going to disturbe you once again |
| 11:35.14 | Shadur | Shadowcat: Ease up, she's not worth blowing a gasket over. |
| 11:35.14 | Shadowcat | yo uwant a new kernel, there's a good reason we're not helping you upgrade to one |
| 11:35.20 | dpkg | Package 'linux-image-2.6.14-1-386' does not exist. |
| 11:35.22 | fluxdude | zignig: 2000 Active Directory in native mode (ie no NT4 domain controllers allow). i think it's because it goes from ntlm to pure ldap which crappy old NT4 technology doesn't have |
| 11:35.25 | Shadowcat | Shadur: I'm calm |
| 11:35.31 | dondelelcaro | folks, use /ignore instead of berating people, please. |
| 11:35.41 | Shadowcat | right, eod |
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| 11:36.09 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: who are you? [and you should update your db.debian.org entry to include your irc nickname.] |
| 11:36.22 | fluxdude | samba is basically nt4, so winbind won't work, probably I need to replace winbind with a pure ldap authentication |
| 11:36.38 | Shadowcat | dondelelcaro: umm I've been working on some experimental packages for quite some time now |
| 11:36.41 | Gnea | Kimy: look, I'm trying to be patient, but you're going too fast. I can't work like that. |
| 11:36.50 | Shadowcat | but I'll wait until they're running somewhat properly before I upload them |
| 11:36.53 | Kimy | :)) Gnea forget it |
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| 11:36.59 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: Again, so noted. But just to be fair, could you suggest that people who come in here with questions at least pay listen to the advice they asked to be given even when it's something they don't want to hear? |
| 11:37.00 | Gnea | yeah, might as well |
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| 11:37.12 | konfuzed | Kimy: I believe the 2.6.15 kernel with debian is for 'sid' which is to never be released |
| 11:37.14 | fken | no in fact no! you didnt fund my trouble: I am sure i booted on windows with grub and i already had 2.6.14... |
| 11:37.16 | konfuzed | is that correct |
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| 11:37.31 | TBBle | fluxdude: Uh? Samba3 can be an ADS member... |
| 11:37.39 | fken | but my mbr was on the hda |
| 11:37.41 | konfuzed | or is it the odd numbered kernels are development and the even are releases |
| 11:37.41 | Gnea | konfuzed: you are crossing the wrong lines. |
| 11:37.42 | Shadowcat | konfuzed: I don't even run stock sid kernels, I think they're dangerous |
| 11:37.46 | Kimy | i got 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 11:37.47 | fken | and now its on the sata |
| 11:37.49 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: that wasn't the question... do you currently have a key in the keyring? or do you mean that you're just packaging stuff? |
| 11:38.00 | tziku | hello, i have some troubles. I installed php suport for apache and when i'm tryingo to join on website is giving me to download a file. |
| 11:38.06 | Gnea | konfuzed: no, there is no such concept. |
| 11:38.09 | Shadowcat | dondelelcaro: packaging and coding on my own, for now |
| 11:38.13 | fken | so metrics sorry but i still have the trouble |
| 11:38.14 | Shadowcat | and no, I'm not listed, yet |
| 11:38.20 | Shadur | konfuzed: You can run a 2.6.15 kernel on stable. It's a matter of knowing how to use kernel-package to roll your own kernels. |
| 11:38.20 | konfuzed | hmmm maybe that concept came from somewhere else |
| 11:38.25 | Shadowcat | I figure there's no point in putting up a package that's not doing anything |
| 11:38.26 | Gnea | okay, i just give up |
| 11:38.26 | fireba11 | tziku: then php is either not isntalled correctly or not enabled |
| 11:38.34 | fireba11 | tziku: apache and php version please ? |
| 11:38.35 | Gnea | i have better things to do with my time. |
| 11:38.40 | streuner | Shadowcat: the people in db.d.o are DD's... |
| 11:38.42 | djp | Gnea, how do you generate a log file for rsync? i have looked at the rsync manual but can only find a reference to log formatting? |
| 11:38.43 | Gnea | than try to help the helpless. |
| 11:38.44 | Shadowcat | or a package that segfaults 90% of the time |
| 11:38.48 | tziku | fireba11 how can i see that ? please |
| 11:38.48 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: ok; that means that you're not a Debian Developer... you're a contributor or perhaps a maintainer if you end up uploading a package to the archive. |
| 11:38.59 | fatal___ | tziku: you probably need to enable it too.... "a2enmod php4" should do it if you're using php4 and apache2 .... with apache (1.x) you probably need to hack the config to add AddType and stuff for php. |
| 11:39.07 | Gnea | djp: rsync -options yadablahblah >> rsync.log |
| 11:39.07 | Shadowcat | dondelelcaro: ok gotcha, contributer then |
| 11:39.09 | Shadowcat | sorry for the mixup |
| 11:39.09 | fluxdude | samba as it currently stands is equivalent of nt4, it may be possible to hack it up to work with ad, but it can't be a proper dc like 2003 can, it'd at best be an nt4 domain controller (only possible in the mixed mode for pre-200 clients) |
| 11:39.10 | ootput | truth is out, yet again |
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| 11:39.15 | fireba11 | tziku: what did you install ? |
| 11:39.31 | ootput | Shadowcat: were you a developer, you'd have been a lot more abrasive |
| 11:39.47 | Metrics | fluxdude: I think the newest release of samba can do proper dc. (slashdot posting?) |
| 11:39.50 | fireba11 | fluxdude samba4 will have AD |
| 11:39.52 | Shadowcat | ootput: well I run a hybrid Windows/Linux fleet |
| 11:39.58 | Shadur | ootput: Developers have a lot more of their friendiness eroded by constant messages and spurious bug reports. |
| 11:40.00 | Shadowcat | I'm used to people not liking what they hear |
| 11:40.02 | dondelelcaro | ootput: hardly... |
| 11:40.04 | djp | Gnea, ah, thank you. |
| 11:40.11 | Shadowcat | ootput: maybe too used to it |
| 11:40.11 | Gnea | djp: you're welcome. |
| 11:40.18 | TBBle | fluxdude: Oh, AD DC? No, Samba3 can't do that. Samba4 can. ^_^ |
| 11:40.26 | ootput | Shadur: I wouldn't expect any less |
| 11:40.30 | fireba11 | tziku: apache and apache2 are completely different so it's important what version you got to help you |
| 11:40.32 | tziku | fireba11 apache, php4, libapache-mod-php4, libapache-mod-suphp, ... |
| 11:40.39 | fken | Shadowcat: is the problem of ide boot a consequence of an installation on a sata disk ? |
| 11:40.45 | zignig | ootput: truth is out of style. |
| 11:40.54 | Shadowcat | fken: no, it's a result of yarid fucking up |
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| 11:41.03 | Shadowcat | and kimy is running the exact kernel that has that error |
| 11:41.03 | tziku | fireba11 u recomand me to uninstall apache and reinstall apache2 ? |
| 11:41.14 | shart000 | are there still differences between US repositories and the rest of the world ? |
| 11:41.16 | konfuzed | hhhhhmmmmmmmm odd I cant think of any computer or system problem that makes me go gee I may not be able to recover if this goes awry. just kernel updates |
| 11:41.19 | Shadowcat | I believe they never fixed it |
| 11:41.25 | Shadowcat | they just moved on to 2.6.15 |
| 11:41.33 | streuner | shart000: what do you mean? |
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| 11:41.36 | fireba11 | tziku: depends on what you want to do .. for a new installation i would go with apache2 fi you don't have reason to stick to version 1.x |
| 11:41.41 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: it was removed from unstable; we don't fix bugs in things that get removed. |
| 11:41.42 | zignig | shart000: if you annoy them they launch cruise missiles at you. |
| 11:41.44 | Shadowcat | basically, yarid screwed up the initrd, so it can't load the ide modules properly |
| 11:41.48 | streuner | shart000: US mirror is like any other mirror in the world |
| 11:41.51 | ootput | shart000: not much |
| 11:41.55 | zignig | shart000: don't piss off the debian mirror. |
| 11:41.55 | streuner | zignig: haha |
| 11:41.58 | Gnea | shart000: not anymore. |
| 11:41.59 | fken | Shadowcat: i am sure i was able to boot on my ide disk when my mbr was on the ide : but the ide crashed and i needed to change the mbr : now i cant boot on the ide anymore |
| 11:42.04 | ootput | zignig: wise |
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| 11:42.07 | tziku | fireba11 thx. i will install apache2 and if i have problems i will find u. thx bye for naw |
| 11:42.07 | Shadowcat | dondelelcaro: I know that, she doesn't though, and it's her system that's gonna be rendered unbootable |
| 11:42.09 | Shadur | shart000: Not at the moment, although if they keep giving out retarded patents that may change again. |
| 11:42.14 | shart000 | streuner: I heard that they leave certain packages out of US repositories due to local US laws |
| 11:42.17 | ctp | hi folks. any cyrus imap admins here? i have some trouble with my cyrus? creating a folder 'foobar' results in a folder INBOX/foobar instead of /foobar on my server? anyone has a hint, what's going wrong? i need al created folders at the same dirlevel like INBOX. |
| 11:42.19 | shart000 | Gnea: thank you |
| 11:42.30 | streuner | shart000: /msg dpkg nonus |
| 11:42.31 | Gnea | Shadowcat: dude, DROP IT already!!! go help someone else |
| 11:42.31 | Shadowcat | oh well |
| 11:42.34 | dondelelcaro | shart000: /msg dpkg cypto; if you want the details on why it doesn't amtter already |
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| 11:42.40 | fireba11 | tziku: install apache 2 and libapache2-mod-php4 ... it is enabled when installed in this config |
| 11:42.40 | dondelelcaro | s/cy/cry/ |
| 11:42.41 | Shadowcat | Gnea: I'm looking for people :) |
| 11:42.47 | fluxdude | Metrics: will google for it |
| 11:42.51 | tziku | ok fireba11 |
| 11:43.02 | shart000 | thanks |
| 11:43.03 | zignig | ctp: from memory ( i use dovecot ) , it's todo with the default folder in the imap config somewhere. |
| 11:43.07 | Gnea | Shadowcat: they're all over the place ;) |
| 11:43.09 | streuner | shart000: those times are gone. |
| 11:43.15 | zignig | ctp: that's why I switched to dovecot. |
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| 11:43.22 | streuner | !nonus |
| 11:43.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 11:43.24 | fken | Gnea: are you speaking about me ? |
| 11:43.26 | Shadowcat | Gnea: plus the fact that I'm lagged to hell on this connection |
| 11:43.33 | Gnea | fken: what? |
| 11:43.34 | streuner | dpkg, forget nonus |
| 11:43.34 | dpkg | i forgot nonus, streuner |
| 11:43.36 | ootput | fken: yeah, he was |
| 11:43.43 | ootput | ;) |
| 11:43.46 | Gnea | ootput: pardon? |
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| 11:43.46 | fluxdude | fireba11: jeremy allison of samba said they don't even know how to code it yet (bearing in mind M$ had an enterprise ready debugged working solution 6 years ago i gotta give them credit) |
| 11:43.46 | zignig | streuner: hehehe. sorry a cynic talking. |
| 11:43.48 | fken | gnea: DROP IT already!!! |
| 11:43.50 | Gnea | no, i was not. |
| 11:43.55 | ctp | zignig: hm, ok. i'll take a look at my config. thx |
| 11:44.03 | zignig | ctp: np |
| 11:44.17 | Shadowcat | fluxdude: last I checked Samba 4 was a long way off |
| 11:44.22 | Shadowcat | and that was a few months ago |
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| 11:44.50 | Gnea | fken: yes yes, we know :) |
| 11:44.51 | ootput | it's ok, because I've finally found unicode-coded 'fixed' fonts |
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| 11:45.04 | ctp | zignig: you mean 'partition-default: /var/spool/cyrus/mail' ? |
| 11:45.05 | Shadowcat | I mean even Microsoft had trouble ironing out all the bugs out of 2000 |
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| 11:45.12 | Shadowcat | 2003 is "somewhat" of an improvement |
| 11:45.24 | monster | hola |
| 11:45.29 | Shadowcat | I just wish it'd be a little easier on the resources though |
| 11:45.32 | ootput | Shadowcat: 2000 pro is still the prefered release |
| 11:45.43 | ootput | well, something i prefer the most |
| 11:45.47 | fluxdude | samba can't compete with M$ unfortunately, they just don't have the resources and microsoft can afford all the best coders like daniel robbins who founded gentoo... |
| 11:45.48 | Shadowcat | ootput: I believe we're talkinb about active directory |
| 11:45.52 | Shadur | Shadowcat: And have MS miss out all those kickbacks from hardware vendors? |
| 11:45.55 | zignig | ctp: nope that's not it, look for folder creation ..... i think :) |
| 11:46.06 | Shadur | fluxdude: Now you're just trollign. |
| 11:46.07 | dondelelcaro | Take the MS discussion elsewhere, please. It's off topic here. |
| 11:46.08 | zignig | ctp: or look at dovecot :) |
| 11:46.20 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: So noted. |
| 11:46.28 | Shadowcat | see #windows |
| 11:46.30 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 11:46.38 | Gnea | !smb2 |
| 11:46.38 | dpkg | smb2 is probably the new SMB (ask me about "smb"), and has been released by the Samba team in a testing phase (READ: NOT for production servers!!!) in the new Samba 4. http://us4.samba.org/samba/news/#4.0.0tp1 |
| 11:46.40 | ootput | ah, good ol' daniel robbins |
| 11:46.43 | zignig | Shadur: I told the M$ rep that we were moving over to linux and I got GREAT prices from them ....... |
| 11:47.08 | fken | whats the name of the bot please ? |
| 11:47.14 | ootput | dpkg |
| 11:47.15 | fken | no ok its o |
| 11:47.15 | TBBle | fluxdude: Except that the Samba Team will have an SMB2 client released before Microsoft does. |
| 11:47.17 | zignig | apt: what is your name? |
| 11:47.20 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, zignig |
| 11:47.20 | Gnea | you don't know? |
| 11:47.22 | streuner | fken: apt, dpkg, ravenbird |
| 11:47.26 | Gnea | dpkg: who are you? |
| 11:47.26 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 11:47.26 | Shadowcat | see #debian-bots for a full list |
| 11:47.30 | TBBle | Curse Gnea, beat me too it. |
| 11:47.32 | zignig | dpkg: ook! |
| 11:47.43 | fluxdude | Shadur: no, speaking the truth should never be put down. that's a sign of inferiority |
| 11:47.50 | Shadowcat | oh man, stop abusing the bots |
| 11:48.02 | Gnea | stop abusing your abuse |
| 11:48.09 | Shadur | fluxdude: What does that have to do with anything you said? |
| 11:48.13 | fluxdude | samba has done a good job, I don't even know how this subject changed, but back to AD authentication |
| 11:48.14 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 11:48.21 | fken | ok thanks |
| 11:48.50 | fluxdude | if I configure openldap to point to the AD controller, will winbind be able to use that to authenticate? |
| 11:48.56 | konfuzed | fluxdude: if samba can allow win 98 to talk to winxp2 then they've out done M$ |
| 11:48.59 | fken | so see ya |
| 11:49.07 | ootput | there are certain hours when support-questions are virtually non-existant |
| 11:49.13 | fken | and thanks anyway |
| 11:49.14 | Gnea | !kernel |
| 11:49.16 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.15.2, prepatch: 2.6.16-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.15-git12, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.16-rc1-mm5 |
| 11:49.17 | ootput | which is good, i suppose |
| 11:49.22 | Gnea | !kernel install |
| 11:49.22 | dpkg | well, kernel install is http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
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| 11:49.26 | Gnea | oops, sorry :( |
| 11:49.34 | TBBle | fluxdude: Uhh, winbind uses KRB5 to authenticate. |
| 11:49.47 | TBBle | Oh, wait... |
| 11:49.57 | TBBle | Dang packages.debian.org for being down. |
| 11:50.04 | fluxdude | i think i'll have to remove winbind as the authentication and o straight to the ldap then, but I don't know how kerberos will fit in cos to my knowledge, winbind is triggerring kerberos... |
| 11:50.08 | zignig | TBBle: that's KRB5(munted) |
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| 11:50.09 | streuner | TBBle: old news |
| 11:50.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 11:50.16 | ammar | Hey folks |
| 11:50.21 | ammar | I need a quick help here |
| 11:50.23 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*n=owner@*.bchsia.telus.net] by azeem |
| 11:50.23 | Shadowcat | TBBle: ya you have to have a debian box if you want to search for packages |
| 11:50.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 11:50.26 | zignig | ammar: greeting earthling. |
| 11:50.33 | TBBle | streuner: True, but I just wanted to go check the dependancies of something. hasn't affected me before now. |
| 11:50.34 | ammar | hi zig |
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| 11:50.36 | dondelelcaro | ammar: just ask... |
| 11:50.38 | Shadowcat | ammar: no such thing as qucik help |
| 11:50.44 | Shadowcat | quick* |
| 11:50.46 | TBBle | Shadowcat: Well, I guess I could open _another_ terminal window... ^_^ |
| 11:50.52 | Shadowcat | and... umm... what dondelelcaro said |
| 11:50.53 | fluxdude | yes, i've tested winbind and kerberos to work successfuly and can see a ticket, but it doesn't work in AD native mode, probably because ldap isn't right |
| 11:50.55 | zignig | Shadowcat: quack help , there is lots of that..... :P |
| 11:51.01 | Shadowcat | TBBle: lazy person :P |
| 11:51.05 | streuner | TBBle: use the bots or man apt-get (apt-cache) |
| 11:51.07 | ammar | I just installed Debian |
| 11:51.18 | ammar | and I want to remove the annoying message I get everytime I log in |
| 11:51.20 | Shadowcat | streuner: what's wrong with aptitude? :P |
| 11:51.26 | ammar | Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent |
| 11:51.27 | ammar | permitted by applicable law. |
| 11:51.27 | ammar | No mail. |
| 11:51.27 | ammar | Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent |
| 11:51.28 | *** part/#debian ammar (i=ammar@MACGREGOR-TWO-SEVENTY-TWO.MIT.EDU) |
| 11:51.28 | Shadowcat | what annoying message? |
| 11:51.29 | jm_ | what annoying message? |
| 11:51.32 | Gnea | hehe |
| 11:51.32 | dondelelcaro | the motd |
| 11:51.32 | jm_ | haha |
| 11:51.39 | TBBle | fluxdude: winbind: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libpopt0 (>= 1.7), samba-common (= 3.0.21a-4), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6) So I suspect it does somehow magically combined libkrb53, and libldap2 into some kind of magic ADS authenticator magic. |
| 11:51.46 | zignig | boot! |
| 11:51.47 | Shadowcat | great |
| 11:51.50 | ootput | are any of you using irssi+ bitlbee? |
| 11:51.53 | dondelelcaro | ootput: yes. |
| 11:51.59 | streuner | Shadowcat: well, i've never used aptitude, so i can hardly say what's wrong with it :-P |
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| 11:52.08 | dondelelcaro | ammar: 1) don't paste here. 2) edit /etc/motd |
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| 11:52.27 | konfuzed | ammar: there is a file called motd (there it is) which has that message |
| 11:52.32 | ootput | dondelelcaro: have you used any /ignore schemes for the fluff in #bitlbee? |
| 11:52.33 | zignig | dondelelcaro: sage advice. :) |
| 11:52.34 | jm_ | it's easy to do that - man login |
| 11:52.35 | nkuttler | ammar: don't flood here. man motd |
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| 11:52.45 | murphy | Hey Folks |
| 11:52.54 | dondelelcaro | ootput: no, not really worth it. |
| 11:52.55 | Shadowcat | streuner: about time you tried it out then :P |
| 11:53.00 | murphy | I need a little help here |
| 11:53.01 | Gnea | !tell murphy -about flood |
| 11:53.01 | ootput | dondelelcaro: alright |
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| 11:53.08 | Shadowcat | murphy: any reason why you have two clients in here |
| 11:53.20 | Shadowcat | we see it's you |
| 11:53.22 | dondelelcaro | ootput: a lot of it is kind of useful, unfortunatly... the only issue is when it can decide whether root should MSG or PUBLIC you. |
| 11:53.32 | ootput | dondelelcaro: in case you're interested, there's a nicklist.pl script that you can use in conjunction with irssi+screen to get a list of nicks |
| 11:53.34 | Gnea | !tell ammar -about paste |
| 11:53.48 | dondelelcaro | ootput: there are tons of them... |
| 11:53.48 | ootput | dondelelcaro: besides using /blist |
| 11:53.53 | Gnea | :) |
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| 11:54.15 | dondelelcaro | ootput: but thanks for letting me know |
| 11:54.33 | ammar | Hey Folks |
| 11:54.34 | ammar | !! |
| 11:54.34 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 11:54.39 | TBBle | Oh, did fluxdude wander off? I wanted to mock him more for telling me that my laptop's current configuration is impossible. |
| 11:54.41 | ammar | Can anyone help me here |
| 11:54.49 | Shadur | ammar: We did. Repeatedly. |
| 11:54.49 | konfuzed | ammar: there is a file called motd (there it is) which has that message |
| 11:54.54 | Shadowcat | ammar: you've already gotten help |
| 11:54.54 | zignig | ammar: vi /etc/motd |
| 11:54.55 | dondelelcaro | ammar: 1) don't paste here. 2) edit /etc/motd |
| 11:55.00 | Shadowcat | several times now |
| 11:55.02 | ammar | ah |
| 11:55.06 | ammar | sorry then |
| 11:55.07 | zignig | bleh! |
| 11:55.18 | ammar | and how can I make fortunes run instead of that stupid file ? |
| 11:55.28 | Shadur | ammar: Learn magic. |
| 11:55.30 | ootput | dondelelcaro: similar to http://wouter.coekaerts.be/irssi/nlscreen.png ? |
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| 11:55.38 | ammar | hehe |
| 11:55.39 | dondelelcaro | ammar: if you want to see a fortune when you login, just run fortune in your .bashrc instead |
| 11:55.47 | fluxdude | TBBle: what are you on about? |
| 11:55.54 | ammar | thanks alot |
| 11:55.54 | konfuzed | !fortune |
| 11:55.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 11:56.24 | konfuzed | thought it might say something useful |
| 11:56.34 | TBBle | fluxdude: Just that I've got my laptop authenticating to a native-mode Win2K DC at work with winbind from Samba3. |
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| 11:56.50 | fluxdude | did you configure ldap? |
| 11:57.04 | lorelai | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.13 | TBBle | fluxdude: Nope. I followed the magic of the howto guide in the samba documentation. |
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| 11:57.45 | TBBle | Wait, I forget. You're trying to build a DC, aren't you? |
| 11:57.49 | konfuzed | damn i better go catch a nap before that alarm goes off |
| 11:57.51 | Shadowcat | ack |
| 11:57.52 | yang | I have installed xsane, but now it doesnt find scsi device... |
| 11:57.59 | Shadowcat | never do a /list when you're on dialup |
| 11:58.04 | Shadowcat | it'll take forever |
| 11:58.19 | ootput | it'll take forever on most connections ;) |
| 11:58.19 | Shadur | Never do a /list, period. Not without a search pattern. |
| 11:58.20 | fluxdude | TBBle: no, I said you can't build a proper AD dc, it'd be like an NT4 dc as this stage (until samba 4 hopefully) |
| 11:58.20 | yang | Shadowcat: it will just cut the connection |
| 11:58.34 | Shadowcat | yang: no, I'm still here am I not? |
| 11:58.45 | fluxdude | you can authenticate, as i did, but when i upgraded the domain to native mode it stopped working |
| 11:59.04 | TBBle | fluxdude: Yeah, I forgot that bit. You can't build an AD DC. You can do member server and client OK. Samba4 can currently work as an ADS DC, but doesn't have printer support yet. |
| 11:59.08 | zignig | fluxdude: downgrade it to no-native mode , fixed........ |
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| 11:59.53 | konfuzed | ok I forget what is the AD part of Domain Controller |
| 11:59.56 | fluxdude | this may be because it configured krb,pam,nss and winbind, but not ldap. all the howtos left this out, saying you just had to have it but not configure it, which means that it's probably doing old nt4 authentication, not true AD auth |
| 12:00.11 | fluxdude | zignig: already said the change can't be reversed |
| 12:00.19 | zignig | fluxdude: we're going around in circles. |
| 12:00.29 | fluxdude | you can go from mixed up to native, but not back down to mixed! |
| 12:00.31 | konfuzed | ad dc = authenticated domain domain controller ? |
| 12:00.32 | zignig | fluxdude: no auth for you then. |
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| 12:00.38 | zignig | fluxdude: :P |
| 12:00.46 | fluxdude | zignig: ha ha ha |
| 12:00.51 | fluxdude | indeed |
| 12:01.06 | yang | Does someone know which linux-like OS would fit on an old 8088 XT ? |
| 12:01.15 | Metrics | konfuzed: active directory? |
| 12:01.25 | fluxdude | konfuzed: u r "konfuzed". active directory domain controller |
| 12:01.31 | patric | yang minix |
| 12:01.34 | Shadowcat | ouch that's OLD |
| 12:01.37 | konfuzed | ah yes the night mare of active directory |
| 12:01.42 | Shadowcat | yang: older than me |
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| 12:01.58 | fluxdude | it gorgeous actually (as long as you use only M$ clients!) |
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| 12:02.14 | konfuzed | microsofts idea of ldap |
| 12:02.20 | yang | patric: i think minix isnt developed any longer |
| 12:02.32 | fluxdude | awesome in fact, they just didn't want to make it play nice with anything else because people should only be running the latest windows |
| 12:02.44 | dimir | it is! |
| 12:02.51 | Ether_Man_ | yang: it is.. it's not too far of that it had a new release |
| 12:02.52 | jm_ | yang: ELKS |
| 12:02.53 | ootput | no |
| 12:02.57 | patric | well, about 10 years ago I was on the ELKS mailing list who had a goal of porting to the 8088 |
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| 12:03.10 | patric | I assume sooner or later they got it done |
| 12:03.11 | nkuttler | yang: why don't you just get an old 386 or newer from somewhere for free? |
| 12:03.16 | jm_ | actually ELKS may be for 8086 only |
| 12:03.18 | nkuttler | people are throwing away old machines |
| 12:03.37 | yang | nkuttler: i am being nostalgic |
| 12:03.44 | fluxdude | TBBle: are you the DC administrator? i think it's more likely that your ad is operating in downlevel mode for nt clients if you didn't configure ldap |
| 12:03.44 | nkuttler | yang: i see |
| 12:04.13 | konfuzed | i only pick up machines that are better that 266 mhz, mostly for spare parts |
| 12:04.15 | patric | there's a vncciewer for it |
| 12:04.22 | yang | elks seems to be out of date too, 2003 last update |
| 12:04.24 | patric | runs under dos |
| 12:04.41 | jm_ | what do you exepect - daily updates for totally outdated hardware? |
| 12:04.46 | TBBle | fluxdude: Yes, and not last time I looked. I might look again, just to be sure, but I don't see why I'd have to configure LDAP, samba knows about that already. |
| 12:05.05 | patric | I think freedos runs on it (not exactly unix-like) |
| 12:05.18 | yang | jm_: well pa-risc machines from that time have debian 3.1 :) |
| 12:05.39 | konfuzed | yang: a project for fun is kewl, not enough of that going on |
| 12:05.41 | fluxdude | don't you need to tell ldap where to point? you need to krb this otherwise it doesn't work, it tested it both ways |
| 12:05.43 | ootput | hi guys, it's my first time using slrn (previously using gui readers.) how do i disable the instance where slrn would mark articles for deletion after they've been read? |
| 12:05.46 | patric | btw jan 1 1980 was a tuesday |
| 12:05.46 | jm_ | yang: and even that is very flaky |
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| 12:06.07 | konfuzed | but if you like you can pickup even 2 of these 486s I got laying around |
| 12:06.21 | TBBle | fluxdude: You don't need to tell KRB anything. The DNS SRV records on the DC already tell it where the KRB and LDAP services are. |
| 12:06.59 | yang | konfuzed: i trashed 10 486´s which i had with debian installed...were constantly breaking |
| 12:07.03 | konfuzed | i think your 8088 is probably pre IDE |
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| 12:07.12 | jm_ | ootput: it should mark it as read, not delete |
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| 12:07.25 | fluxdude | konfuzed; problem is, there is a tendency to do things that are kewl, while the pros are doing stuff which they are told to do and filling in all the missing bits, i think this is why open source still has a couple of deficiencies, hard stuff people would rather not do, do the easier/funner stuff instead] |
| 12:07.35 | patric | that has to do with the hardware being cheap |
| 12:07.36 | ootput | jm_: an R instead of the D that i'm seeing? |
| 12:07.39 | konfuzed | yang: perhaps heat issues |
| 12:07.40 | pitillo | raf256, try imedia ... |
| 12:07.46 | TBBle | fluxdude: Ask Tridge what he considers cool... ^_^ |
| 12:08.01 | raf256 | pitillo: ok.. |
| 12:08.21 | Shadowcat | raf256: most 286s are older than me |
| 12:08.23 | patric | yes 8088 is preide, (although I am pretty sure that the kernel still has modules for mfm/rll XT drives) |
| 12:08.44 | yang | i wonder where i could get network card for this 8088 thing, if it uses EISA or ISA slots |
| 12:08.52 | Shadowcat | hahaha |
| 12:08.56 | konfuzed | uh pre ISA |
| 12:08.57 | fluxdude | TBBle: Tridge? pissing off torvalds and making him use an open source revision control system like he should have in the first place! |
| 12:09.22 | patric | tridge is my hero |
| 12:09.23 | nkuttler | yang: isa cards should not be too hard to get |
| 12:09.46 | jm_ | ootput: it's been a while since I last used it, don't remember the meaning of flags anymore |
| 12:09.48 | yang | nkuttler: i have ISA cards, but dont know if 8088 has ISA slots or some other, i havent opened it yet |
| 12:09.53 | fluxdude | linus is a bit of a git for the way he over reacted at tridge |
| 12:10.01 | fluxdude | i felt sorry for tridge |
| 12:10.04 | patric | 8 bit isa cards are pretty hard to come by, although most 16 bit isa vga cards work happily in an 8 bit slot |
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| 12:10.12 | TBBle | fluxdude: Well, that too. But he certainly gleamed with boyish delight talking about how the Samba Team downed tools for a few months to reverse-engineer SMB2 last year. |
| 12:10.28 | konfuzed | fluxdude: who was paid to do all the hard stuff in linux? |
| 12:10.35 | yang | patric: hey that 8088 has a hercules graphics or ega at most |
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| 12:10.45 | valdyn | konfuzed: _many_ devs |
| 12:10.53 | raf256 | what hardware is minimum to run apache2 over https to have speed of up to 100 Mb using PCI ethernet card whith 3-4 users dowloading in same time? |
| 12:10.59 | zignig | fluxdude: pride is one of (hu)mans many failings. |
| 12:11.13 | fluxdude | konfuzed: that's not exactly what i meant. i meant that it's easy to work on what you want to rather than what someone else tells you to (like your boss) |
| 12:11.19 | patric | how big's the drive in that xt yang? |
| 12:12.01 | yang | elks links with floppy installation seems to be outdated aswell |
| 12:12.07 | konfuzed | fluxdude: need being the real driving force weather it is your boss or to build video games |
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| 12:13.11 | ootput | jm_: it appears the keys d and u mark as read and unread respectively |
| 12:13.16 | ootput | so that's fine, i guess |
| 12:13.18 | patric | linus did the hard bit of Linux, by getting started when there were millions of reasons why he shouldn't after that lots of people needed an OS |
| 12:13.26 | konfuzed | zignig: prides is more like one of those double edged swords that cause want to strive to do their best and then mistake that there is nothing else that could be better |
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| 12:13.58 | jm_ | ootput: yeah, you can also tell it to not automatically mark it as read |
| 12:14.04 | TBBle | fluxdude: And on the flip side, programmers having fun on cool things are more productive. And obviously _someone_ found a cool thing to do that brought us these things. It's all about scratching the itches. And with enough programmers about, everything itches. |
| 12:14.49 | raf256 | Pentium I 133 Mhz 32 RAM is enought for small apache https server working for 3-4 users at same time, assuming max speed of PCI ethernet 100 MBit? |
| 12:14.57 | zignig | konfuzed: it is, :/ it is a powerful emotion , but misplaced too often |
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| 12:15.08 | fluxdude | TBBle: by that measure, programmers are more important than unskilled joes? |
| 12:15.10 | patric | yes raf |
| 12:15.22 | valdyn | raf256: sure |
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| 12:15.32 | raf256 | neat |
| 12:15.32 | patric | static pages get served from 20mhz embedded controllers all the time |
| 12:15.40 | TBBle | fluxdude: To the open source movement? Sure. |
| 12:15.42 | valdyn | raf256: i'd doubt it could saturate that bandwidth, but it does not need to i guess |
| 12:15.51 | yang | Is Debian still co-ordinated by the founder of debian project |
| 12:15.52 | konfuzed | when sadly it is no longer relevant but they will continue any way simply cuz they vested pride in their efforts |
| 12:15.52 | zignig | fluxdude: everyone is important , just wait till your garbos go on strike , then you'll understand. |
| 12:16.06 | zignig | konfuzed: yep. |
| 12:16.29 | fluxdude | TBBle: if that's technology, then does that also make programmers more important to civlisation than unskilled joes? |
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| 12:16.50 | TBBle | fluxdude: No. That's a massive and invalid expansion of the terms of reference. |
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| 12:17.12 | patric | actually flux, you bring about a very good point, average joes are unlikely to have any open source currency to contribute to open source, and thus are relatively unimportant to its progress |
| 12:17.13 | konfuzed | TBBle: oh good now I know how to describe that |
| 12:17.19 | zignig | fluxdude: there are about 40 people at tier 1 providers that could destroy western civilization in a matter of weeks. |
| 12:17.37 | patric | which is the real reason the "linux on the desktop" question is invalid |
| 12:17.39 | zignig | fluxdude: but they have (konfuszed) pride in their work. |
| 12:17.44 | fluxdude | yang: no, i think he's still involved but not in the same way, but i could be wrong... |
| 12:18.29 | konfuzed | patric: depends how you measure that progress |
| 12:18.30 | TBBle | I don't think linux on the desktop is invalid. I just don't have anything to contribute that doesn't improve _my_ use of it, which generally means nothing the average joesephine would be interested in. |
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| 12:18.51 | zignig | TBBle: mmmm josephine. |
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| 12:19.08 | patric | no it doesn't konfused |
| 12:19.26 | zignig | patric: sorry , i'm konfuzed .... ;P |
| 12:19.37 | rss | what is the flag for mplayer to play recursively, through two levels of sub-directories? |
| 12:19.40 | fluxdude | zignig: are you talking tier 1 infrastructure isps or tier one important types of jobs to civilisation? |
| 12:19.50 | konfuzed | patric: it's rather sad how much effort has gone into writing code so that unskilled joes can click buttons on web pages |
| 12:19.52 | TBBle | "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be trying to build better software, and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world". |
| 12:19.56 | zignig | fluxdude: teir 1 isps. |
| 12:20.11 | nkuttler | rss: i bet the man page would know if mplayer could do that. |
| 12:20.22 | rss | nkuttler: i tried that. |
| 12:20.23 | zignig | *tier |
| 12:20.31 | fluxdude | civlisation existed before internet and phone though |
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| 12:21.03 | zignig | fluxdude: the W world is addicted to oil and bits at the moment. |
| 12:21.19 | nkuttler | rss: you proabably want to use find + xargs |
| 12:21.23 | Shadur | o/~ Might as well face it, you're addicted to oil! o/~ |
| 12:21.25 | patric | indeed, konfuzed, but if all the non-contributing opensource users in the world stopped using it tomorrow it would be a ding in the paintjob of the cadilac that is open source |
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| 12:21.32 | konfuzed | patric: you cant 'validly' coment on the value of contribution to progress with out having some valid context and base line to measure that progress |
| 12:21.41 | fluxdude | yes, so really, it oil that will bring down civilisation, not losing my broadband connection |
| 12:22.04 | zignig | fluxdude: not oil , but water will bring down civilisation. |
| 12:22.10 | nkuttler | civilisation existed before oil |
| 12:22.25 | konfuzed | peak oil is past news and there is no plan for replacing ooil yet |
| 12:22.44 | fluxdude | konfuzed: ? contribution to progress - any idea or work that improves things around us, a principal measure being the advancement, usage and safe control of technology to the benefit of our species. |
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| 12:22.56 | zignig | annnnnnnyway , this is #debian , shall we adjourn to world-relations ? |
| 12:23.12 | Knight_Lord | rss if it's only too levels you can use a simple */* trick |
| 12:23.27 | Coke | fluxdude: like nuclear weapons? |
| 12:23.44 | fluxdude | economies will crash and burn when oil runs out though, unless they can find a clean abundant alternative |
| 12:23.56 | zignig | fluxdude: like ZPE ? |
| 12:23.58 | patric | konfuzed, lets roughly define non-contributing as someone who has never turned in a bug report, paid any money to open-source developers contributed any code, reviewed any code or acted in a support or evangelism role |
| 12:24.06 | konfuzed | oil will bring down civilization by destroying the atmosphere and driving military run oil consuming countries to nuclear war for the priveldge to suck the last drop |
| 12:24.06 | novalis | can sb tell me an easy way to install VLC in etch? Or an alternative (better) videoplayer? |
| 12:24.10 | fluxdude | Coke: yeah sure, whatever.... |
| 12:24.30 | Coke | novalis: I like mplayer. |
| 12:24.48 | fluxdude | zignig: what's ZPE? |
| 12:24.53 | patric | clean abundant alternatives have already been found |
| 12:24.53 | konfuzed | fluxdude: your description includes not only all the unskilled joes but their kids too |
| 12:24.59 | zignig | fluxdude: zero point energy. |
| 12:25.08 | Coke | novalis: if you download the source and a bunch of other stuff (non-free, but free of charge) you get support for anything that even the most retarded mac/windows user might produce. |
| 12:25.19 | novalis | Coke, i just switched from windows to debian as my desktop system :-) my knowledge of desktop-apps is not up-to-date |
| 12:25.35 | Coke | novalis: desktop has nothing to do with this. |
| 12:25.49 | fluxdude | gotta go fix this AD auth problem, see ya later... |
| 12:26.02 | zignig | fluxdude: later oh dude of flux |
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| 12:26.09 | novalis | Coke, well i mean GUI applications... normally i only use debian for servers |
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| 12:26.19 | konfuzed | zignig: im with ya there but ther is still no plan to utilize zero-point energy or any other real replacement to oil |
| 12:26.21 | patric | konfuzed, I concede that these noncontributing users have an unlimited potential for contribution, and that as such represent some value, as does an unemployed person carrying no currency in a capitalist environment |
| 12:26.36 | Coke | novalis: you don't need to know anything about GUI-applications except how to run X |
| 12:27.01 | konfuzed | patric: currency comes in so many forms it is often over looked |
| 12:27.18 | Coke | patric: potential does not improve anything, nor does it put food on the table |
| 12:27.27 | konfuzed | the unemployed without gold can still earn a living on trade alone |
| 12:27.30 | novalis | Coke, X runs well ;-) - atm i have to compile a new kernel to get USB-devices up and running, and in the meantime it would be nice to watch some video |
| 12:27.47 | zignig | konfuzed: no "they" have to milk oil first and destroy the environment first. |
| 12:27.48 | fluxdude | potential is a waste of time without hard work and results |
| 12:27.50 | patric | konfuzed, that's why I conceeded that point |
| 12:27.59 | zignig | konfuzed: then sell us the fix |
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| 12:28.06 | TBBle | Untrained joes are important. Who else will fetch and carry things for the technocratic overlords of the future? |
| 12:28.11 | patric | fluxdude, go back to the highschool your a counselor at |
| 12:28.11 | Coke | novalis: just download the mplayer sources, the codec packs, a skin, some font, compile it with as many libraries as Debian can cover (you might want some mp3 encoder), compile it and love it. |
| 12:28.12 | konfuzed | the open source path is the one available to the unskilled to garner a real computing education |
| 12:28.28 | ootput | for those of you using slrn: is there a macro that would show full threads (read + unread) as soon as they contain at least one unread article? |
| 12:28.40 | konfuzed | TBBle: uhm robots |
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| 12:28.52 | pengol | is there a channel for developers? |
| 12:28.53 | TBBle | konfuzed: Oh yeah. I forgot the robots. |
| 12:28.57 | konfuzed | they are far more efficient and clean than unskilled joes |
| 12:28.59 | fluxdude | TBBle: nah, more likely they're suppress or kill the technocreatic scientific progressive "overlords" and take what they got cos they outbreed them in vast numbers |
| 12:29.01 | novalis | Coke, no way to get sth with apt-get ;-) ? |
| 12:29.03 | TBBle | pengol: What kind of developers? |
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| 12:29.16 | patric | konfuzed, I would like to seperate those peopel willing to educate themselves from simple opensource consumers |
| 12:29.22 | fluxdude | see zimbabwe... i know lots of people from there... |
| 12:29.22 | pengol | I'm doing a deb |
| 12:29.31 | pengol | maybe I'm not a developer :) |
| 12:29.33 | TBBle | fluxdude: Are you saying technocratic overlords don't breed? Why _else_ would the technocrats rise to the top of political power if not to get laid? |
| 12:29.39 | pengol | but need some suggestions |
| 12:29.51 | fluxdude | there won't be enough of them compared to chavs |
| 12:30.14 | zignig | TBBle: that's what we all aspire to , but GEEK is not sexy , yet ........ |
| 12:30.18 | TBBle | pengol: Making a .deb, you could try #debian-devel, but it's a harsher environment there. |
| 12:30.29 | fluxdude | contraception was the worst idea ever invented, smart people use it, dumb ones don't, so dumb outbreeds smart in serious numbers |
| 12:30.31 | konfuzed | patric: my plight seems to be to turn people from fear driven black box phobics to happy life longer learners |
| 12:31.18 | pengol | TBBle: you scared me |
| 12:31.18 | TBBle | fluxdude: Well, they could use the earlier-overlooked robots to oppress them, or maybe just encourage infighting. |
| 12:31.18 | Coke | zignig: is too! every startrek fan novel puts the geek who wrote it in bed with 7/9 |
| 12:31.18 | novalis | Coke, thanks - i will give it a try now |
| 12:31.18 | konfuzed | as my friend likes to describe it; |
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| 12:31.19 | shanky | good afternoon |
| 12:31.22 | ootput | most technocratic overlords are afraid of having children |
| 12:31.24 | zignig | Coke: in your own lunchbox, perhaps ..... |
| 12:31.27 | shanky | I'm trying to recompile the kernel using the deb way to do it |
| 12:31.31 | ootput | they wouldn't know the first thing about parenting |
| 12:31.35 | fluxdude | ok, nuff talk about dangerous uncontrolled breeding of the hoards, really gotta go fix my AD auth, chat l8r guys |
| 12:31.43 | TBBle | fluxdude: Actually, democracy is really bad for smart people. It averages out their influence to be effectively 0 |
| 12:31.44 | shanky | but when I do: "make-kpkg clean -initrd kernel_image kernel_headers" I have no .deb packages |
| 12:31.58 | patric | konfuzed, I both repect and pity you |
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| 12:32.18 | zignig | TBBle: that's why we have corporate feudalism in the W world today. :P |
| 12:32.20 | konfuzed | evolve them from industrial age 'get with the program'ers to information age 'program your own self' |
| 12:32.29 | TBBle | pengol: Don't be scared, but I'd suggest asking the question here first, as you might get helpful answers and the channel's more active. |
| 12:32.31 | shanky | I have make-kpkg installed |
| 12:32.44 | Coke | TBBle: yes, and people are upset when I say I don't support democracy. |
| 12:32.46 | TBBle | pengol: But if we can't help, try there and be prepared to wait or referred to the manuals. |
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| 12:33.10 | konfuzed | ootput: I guess Im a hybrid |
| 12:33.20 | konfuzed | well always have been really |
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| 12:33.28 | TBBle | Coke: You should move to the USA. They don't have a democracy there either, so you'd fit right in. |
| 12:33.29 | painkiler | hey guys |
| 12:33.31 | Coke | TBBle: according to my estimation, the more avarage you are the more you like democracy. :) |
| 12:33.36 | pengol | The deb package consist of a daemon that can be run by a regular user .... It only needs permission to write a socketfile in /var/run/munge.socket.2, which is the better way to support it? |
| 12:33.36 | painkiler | how do i install a cpkg? |
| 12:33.44 | zignig | Coke: so true.. |
| 12:33.53 | patric | can anyone think of some reason that my samba server would disk thrashing (dedicated all it does is run samba) at 6:33 am when noone's supposed to be accessing it? The blackmail virus comes to mind |
| 12:33.58 | zignig | Coke: tyranny of the majority. |
| 12:33.59 | ootput | true democracies don't exist, so there's no point moving to a different country in search of one |
| 12:34.00 | konfuzed | instead of technocrat I ended up with No Tech Crap for you boy |
| 12:34.19 | Coke | TBBle: as far as I am concerned the US is democratic; people there are allowed to vote on who amongst them will receive the bribes and tell the lies. |
| 12:34.21 | jm_ | patrc;cron.daily runs at 6:25 |
| 12:34.21 | TBBle | pengol: I'd give open permission on that socketfile when th edemon starts. |
| 12:34.38 | zignig | Coke: hahahahahhahha , ant I thought I was a cynic. |
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| 12:34.47 | ootput | then there is the vote-count itself |
| 12:35.22 | zignig | Coke: you rock , i've not had a good laugh for a while. |
| 12:35.26 | TBBle | Coke: Voting does not a democracy make. Any one vote having equal effect on the outcome of an election, that a democracy makes. Voting on who you want as a president, as a suggestion to your unelected electoral college isn't a democracy. Anyway, the US is a "republic", not a democracy. |
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| 12:35.44 | valdyn | ootput: no one would want a 'true' democracy |
| 12:35.45 | ootput | TBBle: yoda you're not |
| 12:35.52 | zignig | TBBle: the US is an miltary EMPIRE. |
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| 12:36.06 | vimp | How can I split my / between two partitions? My / seems to be too small. Can I make /usr a symlink to some other partition? |
| 12:36.10 | zignig | TBBle: it used to be a republic. |
| 12:36.12 | TBBle | zignig: I didn't want to say that, in case I ended up on the wrong end of that particular miltary. |
| 12:36.13 | konfuzed | actually the us is formally a police state |
| 12:36.14 | Coke | TBBle: the house of representatives does provide the democratic back bone |
| 12:36.17 | ootput | vimp: mount bind |
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| 12:36.25 | jm_ | vimp: yes, or simply mount it from there |
| 12:36.53 | zignig | TBBle,ootput /join world-relations , pls |
| 12:37.03 | zignig | this is spozed to be #debian.... |
| 12:37.05 | konfuzed | FEMA still has all the authority over every other law enforcement agency |
| 12:37.16 | TBBle | Coke: Interesting, given that from the outside it appears they have little effect compared to the President's decisions. |
| 12:37.31 | ootput | vimp: i have a large disk that houses the /data, which then contains /home and /var. both /data/home and /data/var are mount bind'd |
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| 12:38.07 | Coke | TBBle: join the channel zignig mentioned, I'll be happy to reply there. |
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| 12:38.19 | ootput | ah, so it exists? |
| 12:38.20 | pengol | TBBle: you mean to change user permission each time the daemon is started? |
| 12:38.21 | vimp | ootput: my /usr/local & /home are already on a dif. partition, my /var is small, with apt cache elsewhere too |
| 12:38.23 | patric | no thoughts on my disk thrashing debian samaba server? |
| 12:38.30 | TBBle | Coke: Frankly, I'm not that interested. ^_^ |
| 12:38.31 | Coke | yes, it's a real channel. it even has it's own topic! :) |
| 12:38.36 | valdyn | pengol: why would a user process create a lockfile in /var/run ? |
| 12:38.49 | vimp | jm_: won't I have issues at boot time if /usr is seperate from / and /boot ? |
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| 12:38.51 | pipeline | patric: probably the "find" command updating the lohcatedb |
| 12:38.56 | pengol | valdyn: is a daemon that can be run as a user |
| 12:39.00 | jm_ | vimp: no |
| 12:39.03 | TBBle | pengol: The daemon can change the permission each time it starts. And the install script can create the directory with a+rx permission (default anyway, I think) at install-time. |
| 12:39.05 | pengol | and I think it is better |
| 12:39.07 | valdyn | pengol: so? that doesnt make this right either |
| 12:39.13 | Coke | TBBle: I can probably give you a list of hundreds of things where the house of representatives has thwarted the administration over the last 100 years. |
| 12:39.13 | konfuzed | and dont forget the democratically slipped under the red tape Patriot Act |
| 12:39.13 | pipeline | vimp: This isn't FreeBSD... splitting / and /usr is foolish. |
| 12:39.28 | TBBle | Coke: I'll file that away somewhere for later recall |
| 12:39.35 | vimp | pipeline: why foolish? and do you have a better solution to my problem? |
| 12:39.37 | ootput | vimp: once they're mounted, the system won't know the difference |
| 12:39.41 | Coke | TBBle: Ave Debian! ;) |
| 12:39.50 | TBBle | ^_^ |
| 12:39.56 | ootput | there's also lvm |
| 12:39.58 | vimp | ootput: I know, but what if mounting requires some libs or binaries from /usr ? |
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| 12:40.10 | TBBle | Indeed. I'm looking forward to the Debocratic government. (Sans Cabal) |
| 12:40.19 | TBBle | vimp: Then the packager stuffed up. |
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| 12:40.30 | pengol | TBBle: and valdyn so you both suggest to create a user dir under /var/run with daemon user permission and write the socket there? |
| 12:40.34 | valdyn | pengol: var run is for 'lock' file to avoid conflicts using 'system' resources, a user process cant hog system resources, so it does not need a 'global' lock file either |
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| 12:40.59 | pengol | valdyn: so you suggest to change location? |
| 12:41.17 | valdyn | pengol: yea |
| 12:41.17 | pengol | which location is better for a socket? |
| 12:41.18 | konfuzed | Coke: well the House missed thwarting the administration from enacting a Full Police State though |
| 12:41.29 | valdyn | pengol: /tmp is probably good place |
| 12:41.35 | TBBle | pengol: Yeah. Normally any program that needs a socket or lockfile or something accessed by another program creates its own directory as /var/run/<pakagename> to which it can slacken permissions. cf. clamav-daemon and mysql-server |
| 12:41.45 | valdyn | pengol: and persistent stuff in ~/ naturally |
| 12:42.03 | TBBle | The problem with tmp is the administrator can't later go lock it down by restricting that directory to a certain group. |
| 12:42.17 | valdyn | TBBle: eh? |
| 12:42.19 | Coke | konfuzed: #world-relations |
| 12:42.21 | TBBle | I mean, that's already hard to do, for the same reasons a binary is +x to everyone unless it's setuid. |
| 12:42.23 | konfuzed | ah |
| 12:42.26 | patric | that updatedb ran at 4am |
| 12:42.27 | valdyn | TBBle: we're talking user processes here |
| 12:42.30 | TBBle | But the idea's there. |
| 12:42.48 | TBBle | valdyn: That's right. So only users in the group with +x to the /var/run/<pkg> directory can access the socket there. |
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| 12:43.00 | konfuzed | Coke: nah the fbi and cia are monitoring that channel and would likely hunt me down |
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| 12:43.20 | valdyn | TBBle: you're assuming that that daemon is run as root via suid bit? that's not a user process then ) |
| 12:43.30 | TBBle | valdyn: No, I'm not. Why do you think I'm assuming that? |
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| 12:43.41 | Coke | konfuzed: the fbi are busy chasing teenage pot heads and the cia are still regrouping after the cold war = no sweat. :) |
| 12:44.05 | valdyn | TBBle: /var/run isnt writable at all by users |
| 12:44.31 | konfuzed | wha G W 's daddy isnt running the govt still? |
| 12:44.35 | zignig | TBBle: join world-relations or I will spiflicate your favorite pet (NOT) |
| 12:44.40 | TBBle | valdyn: Hence, the package makes itself a directory under /var/run which _is_ writiable by the appropriate users (either locked down to a group, or all users, at the local admin's choice) as I originally suggested. |
| 12:44.52 | TBBle | zignig: What does spiflicating do to a dead cat? |
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| 12:45.07 | zignig | TBBle: not much but it's messy ;P |
| 12:45.25 | TBBle | zignig: Well, don't do that. |
| 12:45.26 | valdyn | TBBle: really messy |
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| 12:45.28 | pipeline | vimp: I suggest you increase the size of your root filesystem. |
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| 12:45.35 | konfuzed | CIA grandson wait thats direct son of the CIA wait a minute the Head of the CIA being president and then his son. how is that regourping |
| 12:45.42 | liran | i know this is more of a linux progrmming question but is it possible to somehow change the root password none-interactively? |
| 12:45.43 | zignig | TBBle: join w-r then . |
| 12:45.50 | azeem | konfuzed: how is this related to Debian? |
| 12:46.15 | jm_ | liran: man chpasswd |
| 12:46.19 | konfuzed | agreed i forget where that started |
| 12:46.22 | TBBle | valdyn: As I said, cf clamav-daemon and mysql. |
| 12:46.25 | pipeline | liran: edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 12:46.36 | pipeline | liran: debian doesn't have an actual password database, IIRC |
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| 12:47.10 | valdyn | TBBle: this is very messy and useless, you cant restrict a user like that at all |
| 12:47.12 | vimp | pipeline: isn't partition-resizing rather dangerous? |
| 12:47.13 | TBBle | liran: samba has a "chat script" that answers the passwd program's prompts. Does that count as non-interactive? |
| 12:47.16 | mejo | hello |
| 12:47.20 | konfuzed | damn too late for a nap |
| 12:47.21 | pipeline | vimp: Making it bigger isn't dangerous. |
| 12:47.28 | TBBle | valdyn: You can't restrict who can run the daemon, but you can restrict who can connect to someone's running daemon. |
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| 12:47.32 | liran | i think so |
| 12:47.35 | liran | ill have to look into it |
| 12:47.41 | liran | although chpasswd looks fine |
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| 12:47.58 | liran | the -e switch is taking non-encrypted file format, if i omit the -e how is it encrypted exactly? |
| 12:48.10 | sunpascal | can anyone help me upgrade my debian sarge to etch? |
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| 12:48.36 | azeem | pipeline: you need to have free space to make it bigger, though AIUI, which is frequently not the case behind the root partition |
| 12:48.36 | TBBle | clamav-daemon in particular runs as a normal user (well, restricted user) and you have to add people to the clamav group for them to be able to send things to the virus scanner (cf amavisd-new's configuration file) |
| 12:48.48 | valdyn | TBBle: only if the user running that daemon accepts that limitation volutarily, its no security measure at all |
| 12:49.00 | pengol | TBBle: since the question is controversial should I ask in debian-devel? |
| 12:49.01 | konfuzed | hm is sunpascal asking for a kernel upgrade |
| 12:49.01 | vimp | pipeline: but I'll need to make some other bordering partitions smaller... |
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| 12:49.17 | konfuzed | thats enough to keep me awake |
| 12:49.26 | pipeline | vimp: That part /is/ dangerous. |
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| 12:49.28 | mejo | are there tools available to list (and change) all the meta/header data of png/jpg/gif image files? for example it somehow is possible to find out which camera has been used to produce a photo. i'dd like to view, (and best change) these information. |
| 12:49.30 | TBBle | valdyn: Yeah. If the user running the daemon doesn't want the restrction, they can rebuild it themselves anyway. Hence my comment about a+x mode on binaries. |
| 12:49.37 | ootput | for those of you using slrn: is there a macro that would show full threads (read + unread) as soon as they contain at least one unread article? |
| 12:49.43 | TBBle | pengol: You could try, sure. It seems like a fairly reasonable question to me. |
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| 12:49.45 | pipeline | vimp: I think I would copy everything out of your root partition, delete it, extend /usr, and make it the new root. |
| 12:49.53 | delirium | I don't get a connection to security.debian.org, is it down ? |
| 12:49.53 | pipeline | vimp: Actually, what I would do is reinstall with a less braindamaged layout. |
| 12:49.57 | azeem | mejo: libexif, I guess |
| 12:50.06 | jm_ | mejo: you mean EXIF tags for JPEG-s? |
| 12:50.06 | valdyn | TBBle: alright, we agree ) |
| 12:50.10 | pipeline | vimp: Which, given the complexity of what you intend to do, would probably be faster. |
| 12:50.26 | vimp | outsourcing /usr : does this sound about right? : cp -R /usr /other && mv /usr /usr_rm_later && cd / && ln -s /other/usr |
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| 12:50.37 | valdyn | vimp: no, use cp -a |
| 12:50.39 | TBBle | valdyn: Excellent *temples fingers* |
| 12:50.45 | alex1 | hello all |
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| 12:51.07 | valdyn | vimp: cp -R wont preserver pemissions |
| 12:51.09 | pengol | TBBle: with deamon need to be run by a regular user I didn't mean that it can be run by any user, but that It should run buy a daemon user, maybe it was not clear |
| 12:51.11 | crypt_ex | Anyone know I can burn a bin file to a cd? |
| 12:51.15 | jm_ | vimp: install busybox static before, just in case ;) |
| 12:51.17 | TBBle | vimp: What's with the ln -s? I really really really suggest you don't do that. If it's going to another partition, mount that one as /usr/ |
| 12:51.18 | vimp | valdyn: good thing I asked |
| 12:51.21 | valdyn | crypt_ex: with cdrdao |
| 12:51.48 | crypt_ex | valdyn, ta, just tried k3b and it aint having it |
| 12:51.49 | pengol | the regular user is just needed to evitate that the daemon run as root |
| 12:51.50 | valdyn | !installit |
| 12:51.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 12:51.53 | TBBle | pengol: Oh. In that case, _really_ have a look at how amavis-deamon does it, and myseql (although mysql runs as root, I think) |
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| 12:52.25 | TBBle | s/myseql/mysql/ |
| 12:52.40 | valdyn | crypt_ex: i have no idea if k3b supports '.bin' files, you can just convert that .bin file to .iso with bchunk, assuming that file contains only one track |
| 12:53.02 | pengol | I have seen amavis has a dir under /var/run |
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| 12:53.21 | pengol | what is it supposed to store? |
| 12:53.26 | alex1 | just upgarded from libranet 2.8.1 ---then went into synapic manager graphical interface upgrade all packages---reconfiguring packages update failed scroll in buffer to see what went wrong ---nothing in buffer --any suggestions please |
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| 12:54.08 | crypt_ex | valdyn, not sure about that, some firmware for dvd player. |
| 12:54.09 | Garda | has any1 here ever installed all of the debian apps |
| 12:54.09 | valdyn | pengol: its going to store information about itself, like a socket or whatever, meant to be used be 3rd applications |
| 12:54.13 | azeem | alex1: you upgraded from libranet to what? |
| 12:54.13 | sparcd | i want to install debian on a mac |
| 12:54.19 | azeem | Garda: no |
| 12:54.21 | Garda | i have the 2 sarge dvds |
| 12:54.23 | sparcd | but how will i eject the cd? |
| 12:54.31 | ootput | night |
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| 12:54.32 | valdyn | crypt_ex: firmware is hardly meant to be a cd image i guess |
| 12:54.35 | TBBle | pengol: The socket applications use to send things to amavisd to scan, the the .pid file, off the top of my head. |
| 12:54.38 | Garda | thought i'd do it one day, just for fun |
| 12:54.46 | jm_ | Garda: you can't |
| 12:54.48 | Garda | see how long/space it took |
| 12:54.48 | nkuttler | Garda: it's not possible |
| 12:54.49 | valdyn | crypt_ex: run 'file your.bin' |
| 12:55.00 | pengol | TBBle: mysql has mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 12:55.08 | vimp | jm_: thanks, will do |
| 12:55.09 | pengol | right |
| 12:55.10 | Garda | cos there are conflicts between packages? |
| 12:55.20 | pengol | TBBle: I'll stick with this :) |
| 12:55.25 | TBBle | pengol: Oh my bad. Not the socket, but some kind of lockfile. The socket's actually 'private/amavisd-sock'... |
| 12:55.38 | TBBle | pengol: Yeah, mysql's also a good example, I thinkk. |
| 12:55.41 | pengol | :) |
| 12:55.46 | pengol | thanks TBBle |
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| 12:56.00 | TBBle | pengol: No wuckers, good luck with the .debbing. |
| 12:56.30 | crypt_ex | valdyn, file? |
| 12:56.31 | valdyn | crypt_ex: bin files are one way for cd images, but if your thing is a firmware it probably is not a cd image, but just a binary firmware blob, you would burn that like any other file |
| 12:56.46 | pengol | TBBle: thankz :) I need to rewrite the source code of the app :) |
| 12:56.50 | alex1 | azeem --- the packages were from deb ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non free ---and--- htp:/ security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 12:56.54 | crypt_ex | valdyn, ah, so just plonk it on the cd? |
| 12:57.02 | valdyn | crypt_ex: for what purpose? |
| 12:57.14 | mejo | azeem, jm_: yes, exif and exiftags looks interesting. |
| 12:57.17 | valdyn | crypt_ex: you want to upgrade the firmware of your cd drive, dont you? |
| 12:57.26 | crypt_ex | valdyn, instructions are not found with this, as its a hack to allow bitstream to run with my dvd player. |
| 12:57.39 | crypt_ex | valdyn, No, dvd player with divx/xvid support/. |
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| 12:58.03 | crypt_ex | Will look around for instuctions of genuine firmware |
| 12:58.08 | jm_ | crypt_ex: your player should have instructions on how to do it, or just check how it's done with the official firmware updates |
| 12:58.15 | valdyn | crypt_ex: ok, and you need to get that on a cd drive to use it in your dvd player? |
| 12:58.35 | valdyn | crypt_ex: just burn it like you would burn any other group of files.. |
| 12:58.50 | crypt_ex | okay cool |
| 12:58.52 | crypt_ex | thanks |
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| 12:59.43 | dvm | I try to build a custom kernel in 'Testing', i follow the 'debian-reference' section 7.1.1 For a reason that i currently not know, he would not build the kernel. I have downloaded the 'linux-source' and extracted to a temp dir in my home dir. Then i have copy the current config file and renamed to .config, run make menuconfig (where i have change nothings, then save it), then make-kpkg clean, then the last 'fakeroot ...' such as noted in the manu |
| 12:59.43 | dvm | al. But at the end i must view an 'deb' package with the kernel build ? But thats not the case |
| 12:59.54 | dvm | oeps, long msg |
| 13:00.23 | valdyn | dvm: the deb will end up in the parent directory of your kernel source |
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| 13:00.55 | David_ | hi all |
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| 13:00.59 | dvm | valdyn: hhmm, he is not there :-( |
| 13:01.14 | valdyn | dvm: you build must have ended with an error then, paste that... |
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| 13:01.39 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
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| 13:01.54 | TBBle | pengol: Aw, I feel bad now, making you rewrite it... |
| 13:02.03 | valdyn | alex1: libranet is not debian |
| 13:02.19 | pengol | TBBle: it's well coded it's just a line :) |
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| 13:02.26 | TBBle | Yay! |
| 13:02.55 | alex1 | you know best valdyn thats why I am updating and upgrading |
| 13:03.00 | pengol | TBBle dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ends with make: *** [install-indep] Error 1 |
| 13:03.07 | azeem | alex1: maybe you should check libranet for upgrade instructions, we don't know much about what packages they have |
| 13:03.11 | pengol | but the package has been created |
| 13:03.11 | dvm | valdyn: stamp-build error 2 ? |
| 13:03.13 | valdyn | alex1: no, thats the wrong way, reinstall |
| 13:03.29 | dvm | I can not copy and paste things from xterm ? |
| 13:03.34 | sobersabre | is there an embedded oriented channel on freenode ? |
| 13:03.39 | alex1 | reinstall what sorrey |
| 13:03.51 | valdyn | dvm: sure you can, mark it with your mouse, middle click elsewhere to paste |
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| 13:04.22 | valdyn | !libranet |
| 13:04.22 | dpkg | from memory, libranet is a Debian based distribution that includes many enhancements such as: updated packages, including GNOME, KDE, XFree86, reiserfs, etc., a fast, easy install and, a preconfigured desktop. More information at the Libranet homepage: http://libranet.com, or non-free; read the license on their CD images carefully (if you think it's GPL, you're reading the wrong thing), or there is/was a channel #libranet, but it may be dead |
| 13:04.28 | SKK1701J | can someone help me. Debian don't find my tastatur. I can use only my USB Mouse. Can t login, reboot or something else |
| 13:04.36 | alex1 | libranet foum still crying over death of owner must move on |
| 13:04.51 | valdyn | alex1: if you want debian, install debian from scratch, if you want libranet , use that, dont mix repositories |
| 13:05.58 | David_ | I've got a problem with the installation of debian sarge. I've got a SATA hard disk, and when I came to the partition step with partman, it tells me that no hard disk has been found for the partionement, and then I can't install debian :( How to do? |
| 13:06.02 | SKK1701J | can someone help me. Debian don't find my keyboard. I can use only my USB Mouse. Can t login, reboot or something else |
| 13:06.15 | fireba11 | SKK1701J: USB keyboard ? |
| 13:06.23 | azeem | David_: did you try linux26 at the boot prompt? |
| 13:06.48 | SKK1701J | ps2 |
| 13:06.48 | David_ | azeem: yes, and it tells me the same error |
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| 13:07.25 | SKK1701J | when i installt debian i had ps2 mouse, but it broke and i now have a usb mouse |
| 13:07.26 | alex1 | ok heres what i did reinstalled liranet with also nothing no gmoe no kde and then performed what I told azzem before |
| 13:07.49 | azeem | alex1: I am not sure whether upgrading from libranet to Debian stable is supported |
| 13:07.52 | valdyn | alex1: again, we dont support libranet, if you want debian, install debian |
| 13:07.56 | azeem | alex1: it is not supported by Debian at least |
| 13:07.58 | fireba11 | SKK1701J: what does that have to do with your keyboard ? |
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| 13:08.13 | SKK1701J | since then i can t use keyboard any more |
| 13:08.14 | azeem | David_: you could try etch beta1 then maybe |
| 13:08.27 | SKK1701J | u tried linux without keyboard? |
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| 13:08.50 | fireba11 | SKK1701J: nope .. always worked for me |
| 13:08.53 | alex1 | I would find the install impossible on my acer 2200 labtop as the install would need at least a day off work |
| 13:09.10 | alex1 | at leat |
| 13:09.15 | azeem | alex1: why? |
| 13:09.24 | alex1 | very difficult-- |
| 13:09.28 | SKK1701J | then think about if keyboard didn 't get energy |
| 13:09.36 | SKK1701J | but works unter win |
| 13:09.47 | fireba11 | numlock working ? |
| 13:09.54 | SKK1701J | nothing working |
| 13:10.14 | SKK1701J | is like not attached to computer |
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| 13:10.29 | alex1 | why because after the very easy install of libranet which detects everything and I am told debian does or may not |
| 13:10.50 | azeem | alex1: am told? |
| 13:10.58 | David_ | azeem: ok I'll try, thanks |
| 13:11.03 | azeem | alex1: Debian sarge should detect mostly everything as well |
| 13:11.05 | alex1 | I am told tashnks |
| 13:11.15 | alex1 | and if not |
| 13:11.23 | SKK1701J | is there a way to start detecting hardware by booting without reinstalling |
| 13:11.26 | azeem | alex1: unless you are talking about things like esoteric scanners or so |
| 13:11.26 | valdyn | alex1: you're probably right, particularily for you wireless interface, but that doesnt mean we can support libranet |
| 13:12.09 | alex1 | no scanners just a run of the mill labtop acer 2200 labtop |
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| 13:12.34 | alex1 | no wireless just ethernet |
| 13:12.44 | azeem | alex1: did you actually try to install Debian on it? |
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| 13:13.21 | alex1 | no but then running to the library if thing go wrong is not the best idea |
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| 13:13.46 | SKK1701J | is there a way to start hardware detecting before boot |
| 13:13.58 | valdyn | SKK1701J: apt-get install discover |
| 13:14.04 | azeem | alex1: why running to the library? |
| 13:14.17 | TBBle | pengol: You'd need the line or two _above_ that one for the actual error. |
| 13:14.17 | azeem | alex1: you can keep a live CD around to ask for help here in case things go wrong |
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| 13:14.24 | valdyn | SKK1701J: but you are probably more concerned about fixing your keyboard ) |
| 13:14.43 | alex1 | to ask questions on the internet because the labtop is the only means |
| 13:14.55 | SKK1701J | keyboard is ok. I'm writing with it under win |
| 13:15.12 | azeem | alex1: anyway, we cannot help you with libranet->Debian upgrades here, sorry |
| 13:15.21 | valdyn | SKK1701J: try enabling legacy keyboard support in your bios |
| 13:15.28 | alex1 | ok thanks end of story |
| 13:15.42 | SKK1701J | ok, |
| 13:15.46 | alex1 | forums here we some |
| 13:15.51 | pengol | dh_clean: I have no package to build |
| 13:15.51 | pengol | make: *** [install-indep] Error 1 |
| 13:15.54 | SKK1701J | i will try |
| 13:16.04 | SKK1701J | im rebooting to linux |
| 13:16.13 | valdyn | pengol: that's not the first error i think |
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| 13:16.39 | pengol | valdyn: the fact is that the package had been successfully created |
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| 13:17.10 | alex1 | how to win friends and influence people join a debian chat and in a nice way told to get lost hit the road take a dive |
| 13:17.29 | valdyn | alex1: we told you about the limits of our abilities |
| 13:17.36 | valdyn | alex1: thats not meant unfriendly |
| 13:17.39 | jm_ | complain to the moron who told you you'll be helped with Libranet in #debian |
| 13:17.55 | azeem | jm_: dude |
| 13:17.59 | weissi | hi, following the debian pure64(amd64) howto, the amd64-team provides security updates, but security.debian.org does not provide them, how is this handeled? |
| 13:18.30 | valdyn | alex1: feel free to try getting libranet in #win95 though ;) |
| 13:18.34 | azeem | weissi: they are on security.debian.org |
| 13:18.43 | alex1 | moron what is that? |
| 13:18.45 | azeem | weissi: see http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-964, e.g. |
| 13:18.50 | valdyn | !moron |
| 13:18.50 | dpkg | methinks moron is someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more |
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| 13:19.08 | azeem | alex1: the problem is not that we do not want to help you |
| 13:19.24 | azeem | alex1: the problem is that nobody in here knows Libranet, or what it takes to solve your problem |
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| 13:20.13 | alex1 | ok I think I get the drift looked up the word moron not very nice |
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| 13:20.24 | weissi | azeem: sorry! I checked it once, but could not find updates (a time ago). thanks a lot. |
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| 13:20.26 | azeem | alex1: I am sorry for what jm_ said |
| 13:20.33 | jm_ | yes, it wasn't nice of him to tell you that |
| 13:20.52 | valdyn | !etiquette |
| 13:20.52 | dpkg | from memory, etiquette is something on a bottle |
| 13:20.58 | valdyn | !netiquette |
| 13:20.59 | dpkg | netiquette is, like, a set of guidelines that makes the people on the Internet live together in peace and harmony, well, at least in theory, or at http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/netiquette.html, or found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/rfc/rfc1855.txt |
| 13:21.03 | azeem | alex1: one thing you can try is run apt-get dist-upgrade and catch the output, and put it on a pastbin |
| 13:21.13 | alex1 | valdyn why #win95 |
| 13:21.15 | pipeline | netiquette is, like, a word that nobody cool has used since like, 1996. |
| 13:21.24 | weissi | !hit weissi |
| 13:21.35 | valdyn | alex1: they know as much about libranet as we do |
| 13:21.44 | fluxdude | alex1: why not just format and reinstall debian? |
| 13:21.50 | azeem | valdyn: but he tries to install Debian over it not Windows95 |
| 13:21.58 | alex1 | oh you mean nothing valdyn |
| 13:22.51 | jm_ | no, he's trying to install Debian packages on top of Libranet, not over it |
| 13:23.18 | valdyn | ...which is probably just a wrong thing to do in any case |
| 13:23.20 | pipeline | I do know something about libranet, oddly |
| 13:23.27 | pipeline | And debian packages /will/ install in libranet cleanly |
| 13:23.29 | pipeline | but not sarge |
| 13:23.33 | pipeline | he'd have to use woody.... |
| 13:23.38 | alex1 | yes thats it jm |
| 13:23.53 | pipeline | alex1: Yeah, well, you aren't going to get very far doing that. Give up. |
| 13:23.55 | azeem | pipeline: libranet has packages which are older than woody? |
| 13:23.58 | valdyn | pipeline: he'd have to 'upgrade' libranet to woody? |
| 13:24.03 | pipeline | azeem, valdyn : Yup. |
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| 13:24.13 | valdyn | ugly.. |
| 13:24.18 | alex1 | yes wright azeem its acient |
| 13:24.21 | pipeline | azeem, valdyn : Libranet's business model, back in the day, was to only give away the older version of their product. The pay version was Debian Testing.... |
| 13:24.40 | pipeline | alex1, azeem, valdyn : Installing sarge packages in Libranet is as bad as installing sarge packages in woody. |
| 13:24.44 | azeem | alex1: well, I told you what you can do |
| 13:24.52 | azeem | alex1: either start a new Debian installation from scratch |
| 13:24.52 | pipeline | alex1: Your best bet is to flatten and reinstall. |
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| 13:25.20 | azeem | alex1: or try to apt-get dist-upgrade (to woody first, maybe) and post the errors on a pastebin so somebodyin here might take a look |
| 13:25.23 | alex1 | yes you are correct |
| 13:25.24 | azeem | !paster |
| 13:25.24 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 13:26.10 | pipeline | azeem, valdyn : To libranet's credit, their system really /was/ nicer than debian at one time. Woody and Sarge did everything Libranet did and then some, though. |
| 13:26.25 | dvm | valdyn: I wait that the computer has finished again, i have press the bad key, and hi try to recompile it :-( So i loose some time now |
| 13:26.26 | ernstable | hi all. Am I right in thinking that "/etc/network/if-up.d/update-dyndns" is a sensible place to put a script that updates my dyndns? |
| 13:26.34 | azeem | pipeline: nobody disputes that |
| 13:26.59 | dvm | valdyn: So i wait that he has finished to buil the kernel again |
| 13:27.06 | pipeline | azeem: Well, most of the "based on debian" distributions had either zero added value or were actually less useful than mainstream debian. |
| 13:27.08 | alex1 | ok thanks guys nice of you to be so patient |
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| 13:27.36 | azeem | pipeline: it all depends what kind of added value you were looking for |
| 13:27.42 | aidehua | ernstable: that would certainly be a sensible basename, yes ;) |
| 13:27.46 | azeem | anyway, I need to get back to work |
| 13:27.54 | aidehua | (Not sure about the dirname though.) |
| 13:28.00 | azeem | alex1: cheers |
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| 13:28.07 | ernstable | aidehua: thanks for your helpful contribution |
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| 13:28.25 | ernstable | anyone got an answer re the dirname? |
| 13:29.14 | valdyn | ernstable: that is the best way |
| 13:29.30 | valdyn | ernstable: ops, sorry, no, use /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 13:29.50 | azeem | ernstable: are you using ppp? |
| 13:30.09 | ernstable | bog standard adsl with dhcp over ethernet |
| 13:30.25 | valdyn | ernstable: thats pppoe I guess |
| 13:30.28 | azeem | ernstable: if you setup the interface via ifup, then that directory looks good, the naming of the file is up to you (make it executable, though) |
| 13:30.33 | valdyn | ernstable: so what i said.. |
| 13:30.56 | azeem | unless there's a DSL router involved |
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| 13:31.44 | ernstable | azeem: well it's configured to use dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces . that's the config file for ifup, right? |
| 13:31.50 | azeem | yes |
| 13:32.00 | azeem | ernstable: man interfaces has more on ifup.d |
| 13:32.05 | crypt_ex | valdyn, all working fine now :) thanks |
| 13:32.10 | valdyn | ernstable: i think you're confusing some things |
| 13:32.11 | ernstable | but what aidehua makes me think I should be editing my dhclient config instead |
| 13:32.21 | ernstable | valdyn: do go on :) |
| 13:32.22 | pepo | i wanna install flash for mozilla and i am using testing... the packages name its flashpalyer-mozilla? |
| 13:32.38 | azeem | ernstable: do you have a DSL router? |
| 13:32.38 | pepo | flashplayer-mozilla* |
| 13:32.54 | valdyn | ernstable: if that interface is, for example 'eth0' and brought up using dhcp, then _that_ isnt your pppoe interface |
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| 13:33.32 | valdyn | ernstable: so, is there a dsl router in between or is there an interface called 'ppp0' ? |
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| 13:33.35 | ernstable | azeem: I have an adsl box which presumably does some kind of 'routing' though not ip routing. from the point of view of the machine I'm talking about I make a dhcp request on eth1 and it works |
| 13:33.47 | azeem | ernstable: ok |
| 13:33.59 | valdyn | ernstable: right, so updating dyndns should be done from that router |
| 13:34.36 | shart000 | q: is there a stable release of j2re1.5 ? |
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| 13:34.49 | valdyn | shart000: sure |
| 13:34.51 | ernstable | valdyn: that router doesn't have an IP address (which is visible to me anyway) - if I ssh to the address listed for eth1 from the outside world I get in. |
| 13:35.10 | valdyn | ernstable: you get into the router? |
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| 13:35.20 | ernstable | valdyn: no |
| 13:35.24 | shart000 | valdyn - from a repository, or should I take the one from SUN ? |
| 13:35.26 | azeem | ernstable: so you get a DHCP IP from your provider directly? |
| 13:35.34 | ernstable | azeem: yupo |
| 13:35.51 | valdyn | ernstable: this setup sounds highly unusual |
| 13:36.04 | azeem | not in the US |
| 13:36.05 | ernstable | ok :) I assumed everyone did things like this |
| 13:36.10 | valdyn | azeem: oh |
| 13:36.17 | azeem | it's a cable modem |
| 13:36.19 | ernstable | yes |
| 13:36.20 | azeem | (I guess) |
| 13:36.27 | SerajewelKS | ernstable: you bridged the interfaces, correct? |
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| 13:36.33 | azeem | SerajewelKS: ? |
| 13:36.49 | azeem | ernstable: so my take is you're doing things correctly as initially stated |
| 13:36.56 | azeem | ernstable: did you try that, and dyndns does not work? |
| 13:36.59 | fly_80 | hi |
| 13:37.04 | fly_80 | anyone knows where can i find drivers for the WINmodem ac'97 ? |
| 13:37.40 | ernstable | apart from what aidehua said about what happens when my dhcp lease gets renewed? |
| 13:37.40 | SerajewelKS | azeem: < ernstable> azeem: I have an adsl box which presumably does some kind of 'routing' though not ip routing. from the point of view of the machine I'm talking about I make a dhcp request on eth1 and it works <--- sounds like bridging |
| 13:37.41 | azeem | ernstable: do you get a new IP then? |
| 13:37.41 | weissi | !winmodem fly_80 |
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| 13:37.41 | valdyn | fly_80: that's probably confusion on your side, ac97 is not a modem, not even a winmodem |
| 13:37.47 | azeem | SerajewelKS: it's not a router |
| 13:37.54 | weissi | fly_80: ac97 is sound, no? |
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| 13:38.03 | ernstable | azeem: it's a remote machine, it would be very inconvenient to try things out completely, but I think it doesn't work. just trying to"/etc/network/if-up.d/update-dyndns" find to find out what the 'approved' answer for setups like mine is |
| 13:38.06 | azeem | sound and winmodem are very similar |
| 13:38.16 | SerajewelKS | azeem: right, routers don't bridge. the route. |
| 13:38.17 | valdyn | a winmodem _is_ a soundcard |
| 13:38.19 | SerajewelKS | they* |
| 13:38.23 | azeem | the ac97 chip is used to generate the sounds for the modem |
| 13:38.26 | azeem | you just need a driver |
| 13:38.38 | ernstable | azeem: presumably I might get a new IP address at some point if my isp's dhcp server so decides |
| 13:38.39 | SerajewelKS | azeem: unless i'm missing something |
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| 13:38.49 | fly_80 | it is a ac97 modem |
| 13:38.58 | azeem | SerajewelKS: you're missing that it is not a router |
| 13:39.07 | valdyn | fly_80: intel chipset? |
| 13:39.10 | fly_80 | yes |
| 13:39.10 | azeem | SerajewelKS: it's a cable modem |
| 13:39.25 | fly_80 | it's a Intel Centrino |
| 13:39.41 | valdyn | fly_80: apt-cache show sl-modem-daemon, install it, read the docs, there's 2 drivers for it afaik, one alsa |
| 13:39.44 | SerajewelKS | azeem: ah.. he said "box" i assumed it was a computer |
| 13:39.50 | valdyn | fly_80: and one proprietary probably |
| 13:39.54 | azeem | ernstable: how do you connect to it now? |
| 13:40.01 | fly_80 | valdyn i am not on linux now :P |
| 13:40.07 | azeem | fly_80: then note it down |
| 13:40.09 | fly_80 | because i can't connect :D) |
| 13:40.20 | ernstable | connect what to what? the linux machine talks to the cable modem over ethernet |
| 13:40.22 | valdyn | fly_80: you still need that daemon |
| 13:40.26 | fly_80 | i have to download it from windows |
| 13:40.30 | S4nD3r | Is possible to import Kmail emails to thunderbird?? |
| 13:40.30 | azeem | ernstable: well, you said you are remote |
| 13:40.39 | ernstable | oh now I'm connecting to it over said cable modem |
| 13:40.42 | azeem | ernstable: so either you need to connect there somehow, or you need to get local |
| 13:40.56 | azeem | ernstable: because dyndns already works? |
| 13:41.02 | ernstable | (having discovered the ip address by other means) |
| 13:41.07 | azeem | ah |
| 13:41.09 | ernstable | :0 |
| 13:41.10 | ernstable | :) |
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| 13:41.29 | azeem | ernstable: so if you run that script, does dyndns get updated? |
| 13:41.39 | ernstable | if I run it by hand yes |
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| 13:42.05 | ernstable | I just want to know whether it will get run every time dhcp changes my ip address |
| 13:42.13 | matusz | is there any way to let USER burn cd with 2.6.15 kernel? scanbus with ATA: says it cannot lock my hard drive exclusively and wiki says ATAPI: is not a good way to do it |
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| 13:42.38 | azeem | ernstable: isn't the connection taken down when the IP changes? |
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| 13:42.53 | ernstable | I don't know :) |
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| 13:43.11 | azeem | I would guess so |
| 13:43.17 | valdyn | matusz: are you in the cdrom group? |
| 13:43.23 | delirium | I'm trying to install winetools with APT, but I can't find it. Not in debian or winehq repository |
| 13:43.32 | ernstable | if so it'll work. maybe I should leave it and if it breaks investigate again |
| 13:43.38 | azeem | delirium: maybe it does not exist or is in the wine package |
| 13:43.39 | nixie | delirium: winetools is deprecated iirc |
| 13:43.41 | ernstable | that's what I'll do |
| 13:43.58 | azeem | ernstable: I am not sure what will happen if your connection gets broken |
| 13:43.59 | matusz | valdyn: sure, and the /dev/hdd has this as group also |
| 13:44.09 | valdyn | matusz: dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord |
| 13:44.10 | azeem | ernstable: but I guess other people have the same problem, so maybe try googling |
| 13:44.15 | ernstable | azeem: I'll find out. It's not life-or-death. |
| 13:44.29 | ernstable | thanks for your help though :) |
| 13:44.35 | TBBle | matusz: Try using scanbus with ATA:/dev/hdd instead of just ATA:, so it doesn't _try_ and lock your hard disk. |
| 13:44.37 | azeem | bye |
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| 13:46.20 | LiamH | Why would a package that has been accepted in unstable on 2005-02-01 still not appear when I do an upgrade (2.5.1-1 of fuse http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fuse.html)? |
| 13:46.30 | delirium | nixie : so what do I do ? I can't install it on Debian? Or should I donwload the tar.gz binaries. Or better not use winetools at all ? |
| 13:46.41 | valdyn | LiamH: appear where? |
| 13:46.57 | LiamH | valdyn: when I do aptitude upgrade |
| 13:47.05 | valdyn | LiamH: in which debian release? |
| 13:47.14 | LiamH | unstable (sid) |
| 13:47.29 | valdyn | LiamH: fuse-source and fuse-utils are in sid |
| 13:47.30 | azeem | LiamH: which mirror? |
| 13:47.32 | jvw | LiamH: 'fuse' is made with module-assistent probably, only fuse-source will be updated, and you'll need to run module-assistent again manually? |
| 13:47.34 | valdyn | LiamH: do these appear? |
| 13:47.36 | Trewas | matusz: if you know which device is the cd-burner, why do you need scanbus? |
| 13:47.46 | LiamH | jvw: good point |
| 13:48.22 | jetscreamer | cdrecord --scanbus gives up the scsi device names, if that helps |
| 13:48.41 | jetscreamer | cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI that is |
| 13:48.48 | jetscreamer | for ide |
| 13:49.13 | LiamH | valdyn: my version of fuse-utils and libfuse2 are still at 2.4.1-0.1 |
| 13:49.30 | jetscreamer | cdrecord --scanbus dev=/dev/hdb or so is a lot faster |
| 13:49.42 | Gnea | dev=ATA:0,0,0 |
| 13:49.43 | tiny | I'm looking for a good live video streaming solution under Debian. Any suggestions? |
| 13:49.54 | Gnea | dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 too |
| 13:49.54 | LiamH | azeem: deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 13:50.11 | Gnea | tiny: define 'solution' - just a client? |
| 13:50.26 | tiny | Gnea: Server+client |
| 13:50.35 | tiny | Gnea: many clients |
| 13:50.38 | azeem | LiamH: amd64 did not try it yet |
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| 13:50.44 | valdyn | LiamH: I see, maybe the newer version dont compile on amd64, you could try compiling them yourself |
| 13:50.51 | jetscreamer | i saw somebody got icecast2 working |
| 13:50.55 | Gnea | tiny: just video? no audio? |
| 13:50.56 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 13:51.04 | LiamH | valdyn: yes, I think I must. |
| 13:51.04 | tiny | Gnea: yes just video |
| 13:51.28 | valdyn | !info fuse-utils sid |
| 13:51.28 | tiny | ffmpeg+ffserver doesnt really work |
| 13:51.30 | Gnea | tiny: videolan |
| 13:51.42 | Trewas | jetscreamer: I meant that --scanbus is not needed at all if the used already knows which device is the burner, just use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd and ignore the joerg's weird scsi-numbering schemes |
| 13:51.45 | Gnea | tiny: vls+vlc |
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| 13:52.23 | jetscreamer | Trewas: i know nothing :/ (cept what i typed) |
| 13:52.27 | Gnea | tiny: it'll do audio too, just for kicks |
| 13:52.30 | matusz | valdyn: thanks, dpkg-reconfigure said it added missing devices for cdrecord and it works now |
| 13:52.47 | valdyn | matusz: do you have udev installed? |
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| 13:53.00 | weissi | tiny: server: spook worked for me |
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| 13:53.08 | pengol | TBBle valdyn : I'm a bit confused about postinst.ex should command listed there be executed after package installation? |
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| 13:53.20 | black_ | hello everybody!! |
| 13:53.31 | dpkg | fuse-utils: (Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 13:53.33 | tiny | Gnea: no vlc around? http://rafb.net/paste/results/2vrXl380.html |
| 13:53.36 | Gnea | !info spook |
| 13:53.44 | black_ | I have a problem with debian testing, I want to install gvim and I can't |
| 13:53.55 | tiny | weissi: spook? I'll look it up |
| 13:54.02 | weissi | tiny: http://www.litech.org/spook/ I could stream videos from a "Plextor ConvertX M402U" and watch them with vlc over http/rtsp |
| 13:54.12 | TBBle | pengol: That's an example. If you rename it to postinst, then yes, it will be executed. (See Debian Policy for details) |
| 13:54.36 | azeem | LiamH: amd64 buildd is currently being moved |
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| 13:55.01 | Gnea | tiny: what the... sarge? |
| 13:55.13 | Gnea | !info vlc |
| 13:55.20 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4.debian-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7824 kB, Installed size: 18644 kB |
| 13:55.21 | Fawzib | I need to parse a value from an xml file with sed and I need some help, I asked yesterday here and got this "grep "<pid>.*</pid>" textfile | sed's:<pid>\(.*\)</ pid>:\1:'" and it almost works but it doesn't remove the text before <pid> or after </pid>, how can I do it? |
| 13:55.24 | LiamH | azeem: ah, OK. I guess I should have asked in #debian-amd64. |
| 13:55.54 | jm_ | Fawzib: add .* before and after it |
| 13:56.10 | Gnea | tiny: what do you get with this? apt-cache search stream video server |
| 13:56.12 | Fawzib | ok, ill try it |
| 13:56.30 | tiny | Gnea: http://rafb.net/paste/results/wJIsdh86.html |
| 13:57.24 | Gnea | tiny: apt-get update && apt-cache search stream video server |
| 13:57.30 | tiny | Gnea: I installed my system with this tool ... mmm ... what is it called again ... OMG my memory sucks ... the thing that lets you install really small system |
| 13:57.30 | pengol | TBBle: thankz :) |
| 13:57.32 | black_ | somebody install gvim? |
| 13:57.42 | Gnea | tiny: DSL? |
| 13:57.49 | tiny | Gnea: no no .. Debian |
| 13:57.49 | cajetanus | <--- uses vim |
| 13:57.50 | Gnea | tiny: netinstall? |
| 13:58.00 | Gnea | netinst? |
| 13:58.01 | tiny | Gnea: nope .. 1 sec |
| 13:58.05 | Gnea | k |
| 13:58.17 | weissi | tiny: debootstrap ? |
| 13:58.20 | cajetanus | black_ what kind of help do you need ? |
| 13:58.32 | Gnea | hrm |
| 13:58.37 | tiny | weissi: yep debootstrap |
| 13:58.43 | Gnea | that shouldn't matter |
| 13:58.51 | tiny | I agree |
| 13:58.51 | Gnea | tiny: what did you put in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:58.59 | pengol | TBBle: any clue about the error? |
| 13:59.12 | Fawzib | jm_ : u rock! I wish I actualy understood this regexp things, but I still don get it |
| 13:59.17 | black_ | cajetanus: I can't install it doing a "apt-get install gvim" |
| 13:59.23 | tiny | Gnea: http://rafb.net/paste/results/bJ7heo43.html |
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| 13:59.40 | matusz | valdyn: yes, but I have not written any rules for it |
| 13:59.55 | yopi_ | hi, who's the search pkg bot please? |
| 13:59.56 | Gnea | tiny: oh, testing........ |
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| 14:00.13 | Gnea | yopi_: what package do you need? |
| 14:00.17 | yopi_ | php |
| 14:00.19 | yopi_ | the binary |
| 14:00.23 | cr3 | how can I compose a decent looking letter in the console? I would rather avoid something heavy like open office and I don't want to have to write markup either. |
| 14:00.25 | tiny | Gnea: ups ... so I should put stable in there or something |
| 14:00.26 | yopi_ | to use in command line |
| 14:00.30 | Gnea | so type: apt-cache search php |
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| 14:00.48 | TBBle | pengol: Does your package build any architecture independant packages? |
| 14:00.52 | yos87 | hi |
| 14:00.55 | Gnea | tiny: well it's a little late to downgrade, unless you don't mind reinstalling from scratch |
| 14:01.18 | yos87 | how to configure the network? |
| 14:01.23 | pengol | TBBle: nope |
| 14:01.28 | Gnea | tiny: try adding these to the end of each line for testing and update: contrib non-free |
| 14:01.35 | Gnea | !tell yos87 -about interfaces |
| 14:01.37 | valdyn | matusz: you dont need to be to fix your issues permantently you might need to add a module to /etc/modules |
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| 14:01.49 | valdyn | matusz: you dont need to but to fix your issues permantently you might need to add a module to /etc/modules |
| 14:01.59 | yopi_ | Gnea : Cheers! |
| 14:02.03 | Gnea | tiny: problem is is that testing has packages being yanked left and right all the time |
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| 14:02.18 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 14:02.23 | matusz | valdyn: which module? |
| 14:02.27 | azeem | Gnea: except for today |
| 14:02.41 | Gnea | tiny: if you don't mind heading into unstable, you could upgrade to that and it should work |
| 14:02.44 | jeffrin | is it possible to connect to net using sony ericsson 290i in debian |
| 14:02.45 | tiny | Gnea: ok ... I think I'll do it from scratch ... unless there's a simple solution |
| 14:02.47 | azeem | testing got 200 new packages tonight, due to a bug in release critical bug generation |
| 14:02.53 | valdyn | matusz: im not sure, you should reboot and see if cdrecord is broken again, then i could look into that |
| 14:02.58 | Gnea | azeem: FUD! |
| 14:03.10 | Gnea | 200 was not enough, apparantly |
| 14:03.21 | Gnea | but it's a step in the right direction |
| 14:03.56 | azeem | testing users shouldn't upgrade today, or install new packages maybe |
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| 14:04.05 | Gnea | or use testing |
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| 14:04.29 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 14:04.35 | black_ | someone install kdevelop on debian testing? |
| 14:04.36 | Gnea | tiny: are you familiar with upgrading the system? |
| 14:04.37 | tiny | Gnea: it's my fault anyway .. I copied some old source.list from a machine I used to have Debian on ... oh well .. it's been a while since I worked with Debian. It shouldnt take me longer then couple of hours to do it from scratch. |
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| 14:05.07 | tiny | Gnea: isn't this very simple in Debian ... |
| 14:05.09 | jm_ | I bet the weekend will be busy here with all sorts of people being bitten by the upgrades |
| 14:05.10 | TBBle | pengol: Then get rid of the calls to "dh_* -i" |
| 14:05.23 | jm_ | !bugs in RC bug generation++ |
| 14:05.25 | dpkg | error: could not parse in RC bug generation++ |
| 14:05.32 | fireba11 | jm_ don't think anyone will take that bet :-) |
| 14:05.37 | Gnea | tiny: i's pretty simple actually: just change the word 'testing' to the word 'unstable', then apt-get update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 14:05.46 | yos87 | gnea: no, one day I configure it from the graphic mode, |
| 14:05.59 | pengol | should I specigy i386 as architecture in the control file? |
| 14:06.07 | yos87 | gnea: case the file dpkg ment is not working with me |
| 14:06.07 | jm_ | pengol: no |
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| 14:06.29 | tiny | Gnea: ok I will try that one first |
| 14:06.34 | Gnea | yos87: what editor are you using? |
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| 14:06.46 | pengol | jm_: any is correct. right? |
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| 14:06.59 | tiny | Gnea: but ther's only about 60MB of space left on my CF card |
| 14:07.00 | yos87 | Gnea: editor? I don't know |
| 14:07.03 | jm_ | pengol: indeed |
| 14:07.23 | tiny | Gnea: will this suffice? |
| 14:07.28 | Gnea | yos87: heh, there's no gui to edit the network setup in debian, maybe you were on knoppix or something |
| 14:07.35 | Gnea | tiny: you installed it on a CF? |
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| 14:07.58 | Gnea | yos87: ever used vim? |
| 14:08.00 | yos87 | Gnea: no , it's debian |
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| 14:08.17 | chealer_ | black_: ask #debian-kde |
| 14:08.23 | Gnea | well i don't know what that program supposedly is, and even if i did, we don't support it |
| 14:08.25 | tiny | Gnea: yeah, free space http://rafb.net/paste/results/PrYDMy60.html |
| 14:08.42 | yos87 | Gnea: I mean to configure the ip and dns |
| 14:08.50 | yos87 | and gateway |
| 14:08.54 | Gnea | tiny: lol |
| 14:09.03 | tiny | Gnea: heh |
| 14:09.05 | Gnea | !interfaces |
| 14:09.06 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 14:09.41 | Gnea | yos87: that's pretty self-explanatory right there: edit that file by hand, and if you need help with it, there's the command for documentation |
| 14:09.47 | tiny | Gnea: I mounted /var and /tmp with tmpfs so they dont ware out flash |
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| 14:10.01 | chealer_ | azeem: what do you think about promoting testing issues to /topic ? |
| 14:10.11 | Gnea | tiny: that's pretty cool, how big is the card? |
| 14:10.39 | tiny | Gnea: 512 but I use 400MB for the system and other 100MB for reserve(logs saving and such) |
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| 14:11.36 | tiny | Gnea: board has an IDE interface to CF so you actualy see it as an hdc |
| 14:11.50 | Gnea | tiny: BTX? |
| 14:12.17 | tiny | Gnea: what board? no NOVA-7800 from IPV electronics |
| 14:12.23 | yos87 | gnea: no no, there is another way to configure that |
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| 14:12.24 | tiny | sorry IPC |
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| 14:12.38 | yos87 | gnea: I did before |
| 14:12.47 | Pommetje | Sorry for barging in like this, but I seem to have a problem installing Debian on my W2K PentiumIII 450. I'm pretty much a newbie in Linux. Anybody thinks he/she can help? |
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| 14:13.08 | azeem | Pommetje: you need to decribe the problem |
| 14:13.16 | azeem | Pommetje: then maybe somebody can help |
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| 14:14.18 | Gnea | !tell Pommetje about newbie-guide |
| 14:14.33 | strider | shouldn't apt 0.6.43.2 have the 2006 key already acc to the /topic. Not so in my case |
| 14:15.03 | Pommetje | I downloaded 2 stable versions and both have the same problem. After assigning a 5 GB partition for debian, a message appears: failed to download e2fsprogs. I checked te cd, in fact, that's why i tried a previous version of debian. |
| 14:15.29 | Gnea | yos87: well until you remember what it is, i can't help you |
| 14:16.01 | yos87 | gnea: thank you |
| 14:16.08 | yos87 | gnea: but it was simple, |
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| 14:16.09 | Gnea | Pommetje: stable? sarge? |
| 14:16.16 | Gnea | yos87: what was it? |
| 14:16.45 | Pommetje | Should be stable... That's what the site said. Tell me how to find out and I'll look it up |
| 14:16.50 | yos87 | gnea: I remember there was opetin say : enable windows network |
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| 14:17.26 | yos87 | gnea: something similer tcp/ip option on windows |
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| 14:17.58 | tiny | Gnea: unfortanly switch to unstable would consume to much space ... I'll do it all again from scratch. I should write down the instalation procedure anyway so I have it for later. Thnx for your help. |
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| 14:18.40 | yos87 | gnea: I don't know whay I have many trouble on this system |
| 14:18.41 | Gnea | Pommetje: on the root of the cd there is a file called README.html, what does it say at the top? |
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| 14:19.10 | Gnea | yos87: it may have been part of your window manager or desktop environment |
| 14:19.13 | Pommetje | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD |
| 14:19.22 | Gnea | okay, you've got sarge - good |
| 14:19.48 | yos87 | gnea: always you try to make me stupid |
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| 14:20.13 | Gnea | yos87: you do that to yourself. |
| 14:20.33 | Gnea | i'm just trying to help |
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| 14:20.44 | Gnea | if you don't like the way i type, that's your tough luck |
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| 14:21.18 | yos87 | gnea: even, do you think my stupidity will reach this level |
| 14:21.32 | Gnea | Pommetje: when is it erroring? when it's installing the files from the base? |
| 14:22.04 | Gnea | yos87: look, what environment do you use in X? |
| 14:22.10 | Gnea | kde? gnome? |
| 14:22.15 | yos87 | gnea: gnome |
| 14:22.34 | azeem | yos87: stable? |
| 14:22.35 | yos87 | gnea: after I plug my usb storage device, where can I find it? |
| 14:22.46 | Pommetje | Yep, when it's installing. Afterwards, it has made an ext3 partition and made it active, so that seems to wrok. |
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| 14:23.07 | yos87 | gnea: in the text mode, when I plug it, it will be detected |
| 14:23.09 | Gnea | yos87: it's probably a scsi device |
| 14:23.15 | yos87 | gnea: no |
| 14:23.22 | yos87 | gnea: flash memory |
| 14:23.26 | azeem | yos87: look in /media/ |
| 14:23.33 | Gnea | yos87: by telling me 'no', you're now being stupid. |
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| 14:23.49 | azeem | Gnea: it is not a scsi device, it just appears to be one to the user |
| 14:23.53 | Gnea | yos87: flash drives show up as SCSI devices in linux. |
| 14:23.56 | yos87 | Gnea: you say scsi, |
| 14:24.05 | azeem | so you are both right |
| 14:24.06 | yos87 | Gnea: it dosn't |
| 14:24.07 | Gnea | azeem: i know this. |
| 14:24.20 | yos87 | Gnea: but I never new this |
| 14:24.24 | azeem | Gnea: I'm just saying that your statement could be misinterpreted by people do not |
| 14:24.29 | azeem | +who |
| 14:24.38 | duck` | Does anyone know, what is the problem. When I try to remote connect (ssh) on my server, I enter my username and then server return an error: Server unexpectedly closed network connection |
| 14:24.42 | Gnea | Pommetje: perhaps the cd drive itself is dusty? have you cleaned it out lately? |
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| 14:24.55 | yos87 | Gnea: why it should appear as scsi |
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| 14:25.17 | x-x- | duck`: check your auth logs why |
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| 14:25.20 | Gnea | azeem: yes, i know, it happens all the time. i just shrug and move on with it, unlike some people who get in an uproar because they think they know it all |
| 14:25.25 | yos87 | azzem: in media there is only floppy and cdrom |
| 14:25.31 | cr3 | anyone know if there's something like "structured text" for the command line? |
| 14:25.31 | x-x- | duck`: /var/log/ |
| 14:25.39 | Gnea | yos87: because that's the way flash drives work in linux. |
| 14:25.43 | Pommetje | Well, the drive isn't that good anymore but the same failure on two cd's, with two different versions? Doesn't that rule out an drive failure? |
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| 14:25.58 | duck` | x-x-, nothing weird in it |
| 14:26.00 | Gnea | yos87: *linux* THINKS it's a SCSI device, when indeed, it is not a *TRUE* SCSI device |
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| 14:26.12 | azeem | Gnea: you said yos87 was stupid for not believing he had a SCSI drive |
| 14:26.24 | x-x- | duck`: look harder? it must be in there |
| 14:26.29 | Gnea | azeem: no, i said he is stupid for telling me 'no' when i know the right answer. |
| 14:26.38 | nisc | in gnome the "open with" dialog (which should show all programs known to gnome) is always empty, how can I change that? |
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| 14:26.55 | azeem | Gnea: his no was perfectly ok, given your ambiguous statement |
| 14:26.56 | yos87 | gnea: I'm sorry |
| 14:26.58 | Gnea | azeem: since he's already pointed out his own stupidity, i felt it only helpful to point out exactly where it was so that he could self-correct it |
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| 14:27.07 | nkuttler | cr3: hm? |
| 14:27.11 | yos87 | gnea: forgive me, don't make it since please |
| 14:27.22 | Gnea | yos87: don't worry about it :) |
| 14:27.27 | Gnea | i'm stupid too, okay? |
| 14:27.36 | Gnea | shit, if i wasn't stupid, i wouldn't be human |
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| 14:27.53 | Esaj | how do I move a CVS repository to a different server, is it just a simple matter of copying the files? |
| 14:27.54 | yos87 | gnea: why you say that |
| 14:27.54 | nefertum | do you know why arent in debian testing the packages xine-ui, amarok, vlc...and others? |
| 14:28.01 | Gnea | yos87: because it's true. |
| 14:28.09 | yos87 | gnea: ? |
| 14:28.17 | duck` | Aha, it says: Illegal user blabla from ***.***.***.*** |
| 14:28.22 | Gnea | nefertum: they haven't been re-included yet |
| 14:28.23 | yos87 | gnea: now how can I find my usb flash |
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| 14:28.34 | Gnea | yos87: is udev installed and running? |
| 14:28.38 | yos87 | gnea: you don't plug any flash memory before? |
| 14:28.42 | nefertum | Gnea: do you know when will be re-included? |
| 14:28.47 | Gnea | yos87: yes, many, all the time |
| 14:28.49 | duck` | x-x-, it says: Illegal user blabla from ***.***.***.*** |
| 14:29.03 | Gnea | nefertum: when it's re-included. there is no set time or date. it happens when it happens. |
| 14:29.05 | yos87 | gnea: I don't know what is udev |
| 14:29.13 | azeem | yos87: try to address new questions to the whole channel, others might know as well |
| 14:29.21 | x-x- | duck`: good, now look at /etc/hosts.* |
| 14:29.25 | cr3 | nkuttler: "structured text", I think, is a generic name that happens to be given to a Zope module. it basically takes text and converts it to html or tex based on heuristics, so paragraphs are well formatted and fonts are nice. |
| 14:29.30 | Gnea | yos87: it's a daemon that runs in the background that handles the creation and destruction of /dev file nodes |
| 14:29.38 | duck` | x-x-, w8 a moment |
| 14:29.44 | cr3 | nkuttler: in other words, it's like a text beautifier. I'd like something like that for the console |
| 14:30.01 | yos87 | azeem: is it very difficult? |
| 14:30.05 | Gnea | yos87: basically, you plug the flash card in, and udev creates a /dev/sda and /dev/sda1, supposedly - when you unplug it, it removes those files |
| 14:30.07 | valdyn | cr3: to beautify what kind of text? |
| 14:30.13 | jm_ | CrazyEddy: apt-cache show par |
| 14:30.17 | jm_ | cr3 ^^^^^^^^ |
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| 14:30.23 | jm_ | maybe it's what you want, not sure |
| 14:30.26 | strider | yos87: check under /media. or see if it is picked up in dmesg |
| 14:30.35 | cr3 | valdyn: not code, just normal text like a letter you'd write . |
| 14:30.37 | Gnea | yos87: try this: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 14:30.43 | cr3 | jm_: thanks, I'm looking into it. |
| 14:30.48 | yos87 | gnea: there is no sda in dev |
| 14:30.56 | valdyn | cr3: doesnt really make sense for a text mode console.. |
| 14:31.00 | yos87 | strider: it's not in media |
| 14:31.13 | yos87 | but it will be detected in text mode |
| 14:31.22 | Gnea | yos87: what kernel version? |
| 14:31.25 | cr3 | jm_: actually, what I'm looking for converts to another format like html or tex that allows for more formatting, like specifying a font for example. |
| 14:31.27 | yos87 | kde |
| 14:31.34 | Gnea | no, kernel |
| 14:31.37 | Gnea | cat /proc/version |
| 14:31.39 | duck` | x-x-, nothing weird in it :S |
| 14:31.40 | azeem | yos87: didn't you just say gnome? |
| 14:31.58 | cr3 | valdyn: it starts making sense if I want to publish the letter on the web or print it even :) |
| 14:32.12 | x-x- | duck`: check your sshd_config |
| 14:32.22 | unsolo__ | what is the package name to install xorg and remove xfree |
| 14:32.27 | buht-w | hey guys, i just updated to "Testing" and now I need to tweak my XF86-Config again for the appropriate display resolutions... ive gone in and removed those I dont want to use but no matter what I do, in all resolutions it makes the desktop bigger than the screen area... what do i need to do? |
| 14:32.28 | valdyn | cr3: so you want a tool that converts your text to 'nice looking' html? |
| 14:32.29 | cr3 | valdyn: of course, I could use open office, but I happen to really like my console text editor. |
| 14:32.32 | nkuttler | cr3: sounds like a do it yourself perl script to me. i wouldn't trust anybody else to do my html/tex layout |
| 14:32.35 | azeem | unsolo__: are you on stable? |
| 14:32.41 | yos87 | azeem: yea I say gnome, but I don't know what did they ask exactly when I answare it |
| 14:32.52 | unsolo__ | azeem: im on the stable unoffical amd64 |
| 14:32.58 | yos87 | azeem: maybe I didn't ment kernal |
| 14:32.58 | azeem | yos87: we asked which desktop environment you were running |
| 14:32.59 | cr3 | valdyn: right, but I'd expect various output formats like tex and postscript even. |
| 14:33.01 | Gnea | !tell buht-w about get xorg |
| 14:33.05 | valdyn | cr3: apt-cache search 2html |
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| 14:33.14 | yos87 | azeem: yea , that right |
| 14:33.20 | jm_ | buht-w: viewport is typically set to the max resolution defined, but you can specify it by hand |
| 14:33.25 | azeem | yos87: "that"? |
| 14:33.29 | yos87 | azeem: when I install, I saw gnome .. something |
| 14:33.31 | valdyn | cr3: there's a ton of commands like that ( tex2html, html2tex or whatever .. ) |
| 14:33.38 | cr3 | nkuttler: I'm sure some people have thought of things I didn't think about when writing such a tool, I value the experience of others tremendously |
| 14:33.40 | unsolo__ | !tell unsolo__ about get xorg |
| 14:33.40 | buht-w | is xorg better? |
| 14:34.04 | yos87 | azeem: but I don't know the is the desktop envioronment same kernal |
| 14:34.04 | duck` | x-x-, in sshd_config is all good |
| 14:34.05 | Gnea | much |
| 14:34.15 | unsolo__ | xorg 4tw if u ask me.. |
| 14:34.30 | Gnea | yos87: you need to read some newbie documents.... |
| 14:34.31 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:34.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:34.38 | Gnea | !tell yos87 about newbie-guide |
| 14:35.05 | x-x- | duck`: can you ssh from localhost? |
| 14:35.12 | duck` | yes |
| 14:35.26 | unsolo__ | is there like a basic setting to get debian into 24h update cycles.. |
| 14:35.36 | buht-w | etch is testing right? heh just left sarge |
| 14:35.39 | Gnea | yos87: learn the difference between the GUI and the command line, you may learn how to figure out where the flash drive is at in the process |
| 14:35.41 | buht-w | ill try xorg |
| 14:35.47 | valdyn | unsolo__: you mean automatic upgrades? |
| 14:35.53 | unsolo__ | yes.. |
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| 14:36.09 | cr3 | valdyn: the nice thing about "structured text" is that is also allows for generating tables expressed in ascii: +--+ \n | | \n +--+ |
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| 14:36.57 | duck` | x-x-, yes |
| 14:37.01 | x-x- | duck`: can you paste the line from auth.log? |
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| 14:37.09 | x-x- | exact line |
| 14:37.26 | unsolo__ | valdyn: do you know how ? |
| 14:37.28 | x-x- | strip off your ip's if you want |
| 14:37.54 | unsolo__ | in gentoo its like a cron emerge sync and emerge -up world to get automatic updating |
| 14:38.04 | unsolo__ | whats the debian equal to that ? |
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| 14:38.13 | valdyn | unsolo__: apt-cache show cron-apt |
| 14:38.13 | x-x- | apt-get update &&apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:38.37 | vimp | Why is Debian seriously lagging behind RH on SELinux? Doesn't Debian try to sell itself mostly as a Server OS? |
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| 14:38.58 | x-x- | debian behind RH? |
| 14:39.06 | matusz | valdyn: it works, but it seems the problem was not with the device, but with cdrecord not having suid bit set |
| 14:39.08 | unsolo__ | vimp: RH or RHEL is always a patched to oblivion kernel.. |
| 14:39.14 | x-x- | running Debian in RH with SELinux? |
| 14:39.19 | valdyn | matusz: alright then |
| 14:39.27 | buht-w | can i tell quickly if xorg is running vs xfree86? |
| 14:39.40 | valdyn | buht-w: ps aux | grep X |
| 14:39.52 | matusz | valdyn: thanks a lot |
| 14:40.02 | vimp | matusz: xdpyinfo |
| 14:40.06 | valdyn | buht-w: oh sorry, doesnt 'work' that way |
| 14:40.18 | valdyn | buht-w: top shows Xorg if its xorg that is running |
| 14:40.23 | buht-w | k |
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| 14:40.32 | vimp | buht-w: xdpyinfo |
| 14:40.43 | unsolo__ | so i cannot get xorg on sarge is that correct ? |
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| 14:40.56 | valdyn | !xorg sarge |
| 14:40.57 | dpkg | [xorg sarge] now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 14:41.01 | nkuttler | unsolo__: /topic |
| 14:41.03 | duck` | Feb , 02:14:53 owcika sshd [3086] Illegal user blabla from ***.***.***.*** |
| 14:41.14 | vimp | unsolo__: I was assured that RH kernel hackers are top notch, and there is nothing to worry about |
| 14:41.18 | valdyn | duck`: how are you trying to log in? |
| 14:41.37 | duck` | ssh |
| 14:41.45 | duck` | x-x-, Feb , 02:14:53 owcika sshd [3086] Illegal user blabla from ***.***.***.*** |
| 14:41.47 | valdyn | duck`: the complete command please |
| 14:41.59 | duck` | through putty |
| 14:42.24 | valdyn | duck`: obviously blabla isnt permitted to log in.. |
| 14:42.45 | MrNaz | 3.1r0a is the latest still yea? |
| 14:42.53 | x-x- | duck`: ok, add the host to /etc/hosts.allow |
| 14:43.01 | duck` | obviously, but than no shell is permitted to log in |
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| 14:43.18 | x-x- | umm |
| 14:43.20 | x-x- | wait |
| 14:43.22 | duck` | k |
| 14:43.26 | x-x- | are you tryig to login as root? |
| 14:43.29 | duck` | no |
| 14:43.30 | x-x- | *trying |
| 14:43.32 | x-x- | :D |
| 14:43.52 | x-x- | try a different user |
| 14:43.57 | valdyn | duck`: denying specific users is not default, so what did you do to your /etc/ssh/sshd_config on your server? |
| 14:44.05 | valdyn | duck`: or /etc/passwd |
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| 14:44.21 | duck` | on every user, it writes the same error |
| 14:44.49 | duck` | valdyn, i have just enabled for each user that he may log in to root |
| 14:44.55 | x-x- | duck`: did you edit any conf files? |
| 14:45.17 | duck` | this happened now, when I have restarted my computer |
| 14:45.23 | valdyn | duck`: looks like you did something else, maybe tell us what exactly you added to /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:46.03 | x-x- | or pastebin sshd_config |
| 14:46.04 | x-x- | :) |
| 14:46.10 | elirips | hello. i have here a cd that should contain some images, but i cannot mount it. 'mount /dev/hdc' says 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,; missing codepage or other error'. any chance to mount that thing? |
| 14:46.26 | buht-w | lol ack, fixed X and am running xorg now... but i cant login, authentication keeps failing lol, for all of my user accounts.. ugh |
| 14:46.34 | x-x- | unfortunately i'm setting up X with Gnome |
| 14:46.35 | liran | to install the 2.6 kernel should i get the linux-image package or the kernel-image package? |
| 14:46.37 | valdyn | elirips: which filesystem is on that disk? |
| 14:47.00 | elirips | valdyn: i dont know. i received that cd with the comment 'there are the images on'. |
| 14:47.14 | unsolo__ | anyone have an idea as to why i cant get display on a VT8378 using the Sarge-amd64 its a S3 vga kontroller but xfree kinda freaks out even when using vesa driver.. |
| 14:47.16 | elirips | valdyn: but i have no clue what filesystem it is, with what it was created.. |
| 14:47.23 | duck` | valdyn, wait a moment, please stand by :) |
| 14:47.28 | unsolo__ | thinking it probably works in xorg |
| 14:47.29 | valdyn | elirips: try 'mount -t udf /dev/hdc /somewhere' and 'mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /somewhere |
| 14:47.35 | buht-w | Feb 3 09:40:16 AABMAG20A gdm[12833]: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=:0 ruser= rhost= user=buht |
| 14:47.49 | kristalino | wich personnal bank accounting do you prefer ? |
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| 14:48.35 | elirips | valdyn: both failed with the same error, any other ideas? |
| 14:48.40 | valdyn | buht-w: buht's UID is 0 ? |
| 14:48.44 | buht-w | nope |
| 14:48.48 | buht-w | its 1014 or something |
| 14:48.51 | unsolo__ | mount -o loop imagefile.iso /mnt/somewhere.. |
| 14:49.15 | buht-w | buht:x:1001:1001: |
| 14:49.24 | valdyn | elirips: that disk is broken or contains a different fs.. maybe iits a kodak photo cd? i know nothing about that format |
| 14:49.36 | duck` | valdyn, i have added this: allowusers blabla1 blabla2 blabla3 |
| 14:49.41 | duck` | and |
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| 14:49.44 | duck` | UsePAM yes |
| 14:49.46 | buht-w | switched to xorg, and now i get those auth.log errors |
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| 14:49.59 | xah | is the words OpenSource a trademark? |
| 14:50.18 | elirips | valdyn: okay, thanks anyway for your help. i'll send the disk back, and tell him to do some proper burning next time |
| 14:50.22 | valdyn | duck`: do the allowed users match existiing users ( that are in /etc/passwd ? ) |
| 14:50.34 | duck` | valdyn, yes |
| 14:50.35 | valdyn | !kodak |
| 14:51.02 | valdyn | duck`: UsePam is default alreadyu in debian |
| 14:51.04 | cwrl | anybody encountered the error, "mm_answer_keyverify: bad signature data blob", using sshd in stable for hostbased authentication? i think http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341781 is related, but not sure |
| 14:51.14 | valdyn | !debug sshd |
| 14:51.14 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
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| 14:51.21 | buht-w | valdyn, think its xorg? or some misconfiguration of gdm? |
| 14:51.36 | buht-w | valdyn, root cant even login |
| 14:51.40 | duck` | ok |
| 14:51.45 | valdyn | buht-w: no idea, root cant log in by default |
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| 14:51.59 | valdyn | buht-w: maybe restart gdm |
| 14:52.03 | buht-w | did :) |
| 14:52.22 | cwrl | (yes, that's the output of sshd -dddd ...; the debugger suggests that the client, from the same package, is sending bad data, but i'm not certain) |
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| 14:53.06 | necrose | hi all |
| 14:53.13 | necrose | where i could find sources.list sample ? |
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| 14:53.59 | necrose | i was installed my computer with debian |
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| 14:54.09 | necrose | and it's not complete yet |
| 14:54.10 | valdyn | necrose: run apt-setup |
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| 14:54.18 | necrose | thanks |
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| 14:55.16 | duck` | valdyn, it dont work |
| 14:55.29 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 14:55.30 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 14:56.29 | duck` | ok, it doesn't work |
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| 14:56.39 | duck` | anyway, i can't connect on localhost |
| 14:57.01 | cr3 | valdyn: I found what I was looking for! it was in the python-docutils package and it's called rst2html or rst2latex. |
| 14:57.03 | cwrl | no sshd hostbased auth users about? |
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| 14:57.58 | duck` | no |
| 14:58.07 | james_ | cwrl, what's the problem? |
| 14:58.52 | cwrl | <cwrl> anybody encountered the error, "mm_answer_keyverify: bad signature data blob", using sshd in stable for hostbased authentication? i think http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341781 is related, but not sure |
| 14:58.54 | yos87 | gnea: NOT WORKING |
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| 14:59.48 | james_ | have you tried determining if it is a problem specific to debian? |
| 15:00.05 | cwrl | not yet -- i'll see if i can grab the appropriate version of the sources.... |
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| 15:01.34 | james_ | ok host based authentication certainly work on some of my systems, but can't rememeber if I used sshd from debian or compield my own |
| 15:01.48 | james_ | there's a problem with ssh and NAT that the maintainers refuse to address. |
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| 15:02.10 | cwrl | (building stock 3.8.1p1 now...) |
| 15:02.19 | james_ | ok |
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| 15:04.33 | duck` | so, any idea |
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| 15:06.29 | patric | nat and ssh? they work well together for me (I even use ssh for secure nat traversal) |
| 15:07.02 | james_ | sure but SO_KEEPALIVE only sends a packet once an hour |
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| 15:07.18 | james_ | many NAT boxes will drop the connection if there are no packets in 15 mins |
| 15:07.24 | james_ | and then the connection is dropped |
| 15:07.45 | james_ | you need to apply a small patch to get the ssh client to send SSH_MSG_IGNORE or SSH_MSG_NONE or something once in a while |
| 15:07.45 | patric | wrt does not have that issue |
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| 15:08.33 | patric | is nat a described standard? |
| 15:08.53 | james_ | ? |
| 15:09.02 | james_ | it's a property of things I buy in the computer store |
| 15:09.26 | james_ | I don't think it can be changed episemologicaly. |
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| 15:10.11 | cwrl | now here's a peculiar thing. running stock-ssh in the debugger connects/authenticates fine |
| 15:10.17 | cwrl | running it o/s the debugger doesn't... |
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| 15:10.48 | james_ | did you compile with the secure helper program? |
| 15:11.15 | cwrl | ah, no, my mistake -- was passing the wrong options |
| 15:11.18 | patric | james_, buy wrt54gl s in your computer store and I don't think this issue will bring about as much contention |
| 15:11.23 | cwrl | i think ssh-keysign is the default |
| 15:11.39 | james_ | I run linux on wrt54gs here and I still have the same problem |
| 15:11.48 | Lord_Athur | hi all, debian testing and debian unstable are the same? |
| 15:11.54 | thingfish | no |
| 15:11.59 | james_ | there is a timeout for TCP connections which are not doing anything |
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| 15:12.21 | james_ | it's irritating because you ssh someplace to read your mail, and when you hit a key |
| 15:12.42 | valdyn | cr3: nice |
| 15:12.45 | james_ | you discovered you'd been disconnected that's all . Fsecure ssh has a option to fix thiss |
| 15:12.49 | Lord_Athur | if i want to repair problems or mistakes in the newest version of debian, what's the right(testing or unstable)? |
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| 15:13.24 | juanje15 | olaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:13.27 | juanje15 | a tos |
| 15:13.32 | Lord_Athur | holas juanje15 |
| 15:13.43 | juanje15 | kien eres |
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| 15:13.46 | Lord_Athur | este canal es para hablantes ingleces |
| 15:13.54 | thingfish | Lord_Athur: are you saying you want to be a bug chaser? Or are you trying to fix something? |
| 15:13.54 | Trewas | james_: openssh client has ServerAliveInterval setting which enables setting the time in seconds between keepalive messages |
| 15:14.02 | juanje15 | pos no lo sabia |
| 15:14.06 | thingfish | !es |
| 15:14.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:14.18 | Lord_Athur | bug chaser thingfish |
| 15:14.18 | juanje15 | de donde eres |
| 15:14.22 | elarifr | hello. what kind of problems may i get if i install debian with a fake domain name @ install, and then use only virtual host ? should it even work ? |
| 15:14.38 | juanje15 | de donde eressssssss |
| 15:14.45 | thingfish | Lord_Athur: then either - they both need that kind of help. |
| 15:14.47 | juanje15 | lord artur |
| 15:14.50 | cisse | elar sure |
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| 15:15.03 | juanje15 | alguien que hable en español |
| 15:15.07 | Lord_Athur | thingfish, but what's the newest one? |
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| 15:15.17 | Lord_Athur | juanje15, por favot busca un canal es español |
| 15:15.19 | thingfish | Lord_Athur: unstable/sid. |
| 15:15.19 | patric | I am running stock frimware on my wrts and this is never an issue, I leave session open for a very long time and they are always there when I come back |
| 15:15.20 | james_ | Trewas - thanks how long has that been there? |
| 15:15.30 | Lord_Athur | ok |
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| 15:15.38 | elarifr | cisse ???? |
| 15:15.41 | juanje15 | que no se cual es |
| 15:15.50 | juanje15 | pero de donde eresssssss |
| 15:15.51 | Lord_Athur | thingfish, then do i have to change all my source klist and then do an upgrade? |
| 15:15.55 | Lord_Athur | Chile! |
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| 15:16.00 | juanje15 | ok |
| 15:16.05 | Lord_Athur | juanje15, #debian-es |
| 15:16.08 | Lord_Athur | entra allí |
| 15:16.10 | thingfish | juanje15: english, please. |
| 15:16.11 | juanje15 | eres el unico que habla español |
| 15:16.18 | Lord_Athur | no se |
| 15:16.21 | Lord_Athur | thingfish, |
| 15:16.32 | Trewas | james_: I don't know, actually I just now checked the man-page |
| 15:16.33 | thingfish | montao de gente fala espanhol. |
| 15:16.33 | patric | thingfish, is a US citizen |
| 15:16.34 | juanje15 | no english |
| 15:16.39 | juanje15 | no study |
| 15:16.47 | thingfish | juanje15: then do /join #debian-es |
| 15:16.49 | juanje15 | ok |
| 15:17.06 | juanje15 | no os entiendo a la miatd |
| 15:17.11 | Lord_Athur | thingfish, have you got a souirces file of sid? |
| 15:17.13 | Trewas | james_: I too have a POS a-link roadrunner which kills connections in a minute or two, but I have been mainly using putty so I did not check what openssh does until now |
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| 15:17.25 | pitillo | juanje15, escribe /j #debian-es |
| 15:17.41 | Lord_Athur | juanje15, escribe /join #debian-es |
| 15:18.09 | thingfish | Lord_Athur: yes, it's easy - just change 'stable' to unstable in your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 15:18.11 | juanje15 | yo no se hacer eso |
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| 15:18.16 | patric | Trewas, I assume that's a POS D-link? |
| 15:18.26 | thingfish | !ops juanje15 is being a spanish troll. |
| 15:18.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: juanje15 is being a spanish troll. |
| 15:18.48 | juanje15 | que pasa conmigo |
| 15:18.49 | Trewas | patric: http://www.a-link.com/RR44.html or version 44e actually |
| 15:19.00 | azeem | juanje15: Por favor usen #debian-es |
| 15:19.05 | elarifr | cisse : do you mean sure it will work and have no mail relay problem ? or sure i will have problem to make it working :( |
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| 15:19.27 | azeem | hah |
| 15:19.44 | thingfish | :) |
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| 15:19.50 | cisse | elarifr: well mail relay may have issues, the system itself will work, if you're going to setup a server configure the domain correctly |
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| 15:20.04 | patric | wow that thing looks like a real piece |
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| 15:20.08 | cwrl | hmm. stock openssh 3.8.1p1 seems to have the same problem |
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| 15:20.33 | juanje15 | como puedo hacer para hablar con los demas |
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| 15:21.03 | Lord_Athur | juanje15, deja de hablar en el canal y yo te enseño eso por privado (ventana a parte), ok? |
| 15:21.26 | juanje15 | dime tu msn y hablamos |
| 15:21.34 | Lord_Athur | hehehe |
| 15:21.34 | juanje15 | k esto no lo entiendo |
| 15:21.37 | Lord_Athur | no gracias |
| 15:21.43 | Lord_Athur | what about jabber? |
| 15:21.45 | elarifr | ok thnaks cisse |
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| 15:22.55 | cwrl | 3.9.1p1 client with 3.8.1p1 server fails in the same way |
| 15:23.14 | bushito | boo people =) |
| 15:23.14 | cwrl | s/3.9.1/3.9/ |
| 15:24.03 | Fujoor | hey people, i have just installed a clean debian install on one of my computers, how do i active the mouse so i can for example use the mouse cursor in links? |
| 15:24.13 | systemadmin | when i try to install a kernel image for 2.6 ( i want to go from 2.4 ) i get this error /sbin/init cannot open dev/console. any one get this? |
| 15:24.31 | streuner | Fujoor: /msg dpkg gpm |
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| 15:24.41 | cwrl | systemadmin, likely to be a udev issue |
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| 15:24.44 | cryptnix | hmm, what disks do i need for debian? |
| 15:24.52 | cisse | systemadmin: i had that issue, debian isn't building the initrd right, i think you need to install yaird and then dpkg-reconfigure kernel |
| 15:24.57 | cwrl | make a /dev/console, /dev/tty etc. in the underlying /dev (i.e., the thing on which the tmpfs gets mounted) |
| 15:25.01 | streuner | !d-i cryptnix |
| 15:25.01 | dpkg | cryptnix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:25.13 | Fujoor | streuner: thank you |
| 15:25.22 | juanje15 | olaaaaaaaa |
| 15:25.33 | stew | systemadmin: do you have devfs installed? is there a devpts in your fstab? |
| 15:25.42 | juanje15 | alguien en español |
| 15:25.44 | stew | systemadmin: and what version of 2.6 are you trying to install? |
| 15:25.45 | systemadmin | stew : no |
| 15:25.51 | juanje15 | jejeje |
| 15:25.55 | streuner | juanje15: talk english, please. |
| 15:25.59 | systemadmin | stew : 386 |
| 15:26.06 | juanje15 | no english |
| 15:26.11 | streuner | !es |
| 15:26.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:26.15 | juanje15 | no study |
| 15:26.17 | stew | juanje15: /join #debian-es |
| 15:26.31 | Lord_Athur | stew, I've told it to him several times |
| 15:26.35 | Lord_Athur | and by query |
| 15:26.36 | azeem | juanje15: Por favor usen #debian-es |
| 15:26.36 | stew | systemadmin: 2.6.8? 2.6.12? |
| 15:26.38 | bushito | juanje15, vete a debian-es aqui son muy agresivos |
| 15:26.42 | systemadmin | 2.68 |
| 15:26.45 | azeem | bushito: eh? |
| 15:26.48 | Lord_Athur | and he does niot enter to the channel |
| 15:26.51 | juanje15 | #debian-es |
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| 15:26.53 | systemadmin | stew : 2.6.8-386 |
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| 15:27.00 | azeem | juanje15: "/join #debian-es" |
| 15:27.01 | bushito | juanje15, con el /join por delante |
| 15:27.03 | Lord_Athur | hahha |
| 15:27.15 | azeem | voila |
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| 15:28.12 | systemadmin | cisse, i canot find yaird |
| 15:28.15 | azeem | maybe somebody can add to the br and es factoids that this channel is in english, and spanish/portuguese is not allowed |
| 15:28.26 | cisse | systemadmin: apt-get install yaird ? |
| 15:28.27 | systemadmin | cisse, no package found |
| 15:28.29 | systemadmin | right |
| 15:28.39 | cisse | it's in testing |
| 15:28.50 | systemadmin | ahh i am running stable |
| 15:28.57 | juanje15 | alguien interesante |
| 15:28.58 | cisse | ah hrm |
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| 15:29.11 | azeem | juanje15: hablas ingles |
| 15:29.16 | azeem | juanje15: aqui |
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| 15:29.28 | Lord_Athur | :O |
| 15:29.30 | ana14 | olaaaaaaa |
| 15:29.38 | azeem | ana14: please talk english in ehre |
| 15:29.40 | azeem | here |
| 15:29.41 | ana14 | alguien caliente |
| 15:29.43 | Lord_Athur | ana14, you must speak english |
| 15:29.56 | ana14 | no se hablar ingles |
| 15:29.56 | Lord_Athur | ana14, este es un canal de linux |
| 15:30.00 | azeem | ana14: hablas ingles o usen #debian-es |
| 15:30.04 | cisse | systemadmin: here is a thread on it http://kerneltrap.org/node/4677 |
| 15:30.06 | ana14 | ya lo se |
| 15:30.23 | bushito | ana14 ;) |
| 15:30.32 | ana14 | k pasa |
| 15:30.44 | bushito | jajaa dijiste "alguien caliente" |
| 15:30.49 | thingfish | juanje15@83.230.233.13 and ana14@83.230.233.13 |
| 15:30.51 | kspath | Que? Engles |
| 15:30.55 | azeem | thingfish: I know |
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| 15:31.09 | ana14 | si alguien caliente |
| 15:31.10 | azeem | bushito: it would help if you'd rather tell people to not talk english in here and/or leave otherwise |
| 15:31.27 | bushito | ana14 dont speak spanish!!! |
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| 15:31.33 | bushito | ana14 leave!!!! |
| 15:31.48 | ana14 | dame msn |
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| 15:32.04 | bushito | .... |
| 15:32.08 | ana14 | ....... |
| 15:32.13 | kspath | wtf does msn have to do with anything? |
| 15:32.18 | bushito | aptitude install amsn =O |
| 15:32.33 | ana14 | anda anda |
| 15:32.37 | ana14 | dame msn |
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| 15:32.53 | bushito | te van a banear no hables español =P |
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| 15:33.16 | bushito | ops told ya =O |
| 15:33.27 | azeem | ana14: you have been silenced for 10 minutrs for talking in foreign languages and being off-topic in general |
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| 15:33.48 | kspath | Debian is a good enough topic that there is plenty to talk about. |
| 15:34.01 | kspath | En Ingles |
| 15:34.14 | bushito | jejeje |
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| 15:34.37 | AciD | !eyedb |
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| 15:35.19 | fluxdude | heh - that domain authentication problem I had earlier after switching my AD to native mode? |
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| 15:35.36 | fluxdude | i fixed it by adding password server = * to smb.conf |
| 15:35.39 | fluxdude | ;-) |
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| 15:35.52 | thingfish | heh |
| 15:36.08 | Fujoor | which file do i have to edit to edit the dep. list? |
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| 15:36.22 | Fujoor | or whatever its called :) |
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| 15:36.40 | Fujoor | the file with deposatories |
| 15:36.45 | streuner | Fujoor: if you haven't any experience, just use 'apt-setup' |
| 15:37.07 | Fujoor | streuner: ive done it before, ive just forgotten what its called |
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| 15:37.28 | Fujoor | streuner: im setting up a debian server with rtorrent, and have to add the repositories |
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| 15:38.13 | loggygreg | Fujoor: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:38.14 | Fujoor | streuner: never mind , found it, sources.list :) |
| 15:38.28 | Fujoor | loggygreg: oh, thanks anyway |
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| 15:39.29 | pengol | which is the best home directory for a user created only to run a daemon? |
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| 15:40.17 | pipeline | pengol: it doesn't matter a damn bit. |
| 15:40.22 | pipeline | pengol: because that user will never log in |
| 15:40.26 | pipeline | pengol: and has no shell |
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| 15:41.12 | pengol | pipeline: I'm building a deb for the daemon I thought that there where some policies about it |
| 15:41.50 | pipeline | pengol: Oh. Well, there may be :P |
| 15:42.03 | pipeline | pengol: for practical purposes, though, it's not very important. |
| 15:42.29 | pengol | pipeline: where can I ask? |
| 15:43.21 | pipeline | pengol: Does your daemon require its own user? Could you just use the existing "daemon" user? |
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| 15:44.12 | pengol | pipeline: I can use daemon, as long as it always exists |
| 15:44.26 | pipeline | pengol: I think it comes with the base system for things like cron. |
| 15:44.47 | pengol | I don't need to put it somewhere in the deps |
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| 15:45.09 | pengol | I'll check another deb using it |
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| 15:45.58 | pipeline | pengol: Really, the best option is to run as "nobody" if you can get away with it. |
| 15:46.59 | pengol | I need some write permission |
| 15:47.08 | pengol | under /var/run |
| 15:47.13 | Turms | sometime ago i've upgraded from sarge to etch, framebuffer worked (and works) with 2.6.8 but it doesn't with 2.6.12 , i mean the screen remains black though the boot process ends regularly and i have to login and type startx as a blind |
| 15:47.25 | pengol | I'll better stick with daemon as you suggested do you agree? |
| 15:47.47 | valdyn | Turms: what did you do to make your 2.6.8 framebuffer work? |
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| 15:48.50 | valdyn | Turms: last i checked debian does not enabled framebuffers by default |
| 15:49.09 | Turms | valdyn: i used a standard debian kernel-image and put in grub/menu.lst vga=791 |
| 15:49.14 | blito | hi to everyone... |
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| 15:49.28 | valdyn | Turms: have you done that for your 2.6.12 kernel too? |
| 15:49.37 | Turms | valdyn: yes |
| 15:49.48 | blito | i have a question: i only need to download iso images to install debian? are they bootable? |
| 15:50.02 | petemc | blito: of course |
| 15:50.12 | petemc | !tell blito about ig |
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| 15:50.34 | valdyn | Turms: didnt you have to add the framebuffer driver to /etc/modules aswell? |
| 15:50.39 | blito | thanks petemc! |
| 15:50.50 | Turms | valdyn: obviuosly i replaced 791 with vga=5 and i see the boot messages |
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| 15:51.25 | valdyn | Turms: hmm? you see the boot messages until the fb driver gets loaded? |
| 15:51.26 | Amarande | heh, kernels are weird like that |
| 15:51.35 | Amarande | in my case, I can use the 2.6.12 debian kernel fine, but not the 2.6.8 :) |
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| 15:51.53 | SimAtWork | hello all |
| 15:51.58 | valdyn | Turms: vga=5 does not at all look like a framebuffer value |
| 15:51.59 | Turms | valdyn: if i leave vga=791 yes |
| 15:52.03 | Amarande | (2.6.8 on my box has a bug in the Intel gigabit ethernet driver, apparently) |
| 15:52.14 | Turms | valdyn: in fact it isn't |
| 15:52.29 | Amarande | Actually, I have onboard ethernet, but I chose to buy a PCI card anyway |
| 15:52.39 | Turms | valdyn: i do that in order to avoid the framebuffer stuff |
| 15:52.47 | Amarande | mainly because I'm thinking, some point in the future if I have money to burn I might buy something like Maya that uses a nodelocked license system |
| 15:52.59 | Amarande | in which case a non-embedded ethernet card is a Good Thing :) |
| 15:53.08 | valdyn | Turms: grep fb /etc/modules |
| 15:53.32 | Amarande | since apparently nodelocked licenses usually tie to the eth card |
| 15:53.34 | valdyn | Turms: you could use vga=ask, im not sure how to switch it off. |
| 15:53.36 | Turms | vesafb |
| 15:53.38 | thingfish | Amarande: it does? I have an intel gigabit onboard and I haven't noticed any problems with it. (although not using it at the moment.) |
| 15:53.48 | Amarande | thingfish: what's its model number in lspci? |
| 15:53.50 | Amarande | mine's an 82541PI |
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| 15:54.12 | Turms | valdyn: no i use 5 because so the fonts are reasonably small |
| 15:54.27 | thingfish | Amarande: 82547EI |
| 15:54.37 | valdyn | Turms: did you say that 5 is disabling your framebuffer? |
| 15:54.47 | Amarande | anyway, in my case, if I tried to install with either sarge kernel ... the e1000 driver wouldn't load at all under 2.4, and under 2.6, IIRC it would load, but do nothing and still claim there was no eth card |
| 15:54.52 | Amarande | so I decided to use etch |
| 15:54.58 | valdyn | 16:51 < valdyn> Turms: vga=5 does not at all look like a framebuffer value |
| 15:55.02 | Amarande | not a bad idea anyway with some of the major changes like xorg being put behind me thusly |
| 15:55.11 | Turms | valdyn: yes, if i use ask or 1 to 9 i do not use framebuffer |
| 15:55.12 | valdyn | 16:52 < Turms> valdyn: i do that in order to avoid the framebuffer stuff |
| 15:55.22 | thingfish | huh. I install fine via my intel nic. |
| 15:55.27 | foKs|ZzZZ | Q: is there a debian proxy channel? |
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| 15:55.36 | Amarande | I still wonder if etch is approaching readiness for release, or if debian wants to wait until certain things from sid are ready to move to etch (KDE 3.5 etc.) |
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| 15:55.42 | azeem | foKs|ZzZZ: what kind of proxy? |
| 15:55.49 | thingfish | although the install always "picks" what is eth1, my realtek nic. |
| 15:55.52 | valdyn | Turms: you said your framebuffer wasnt working, im confused as to what isnt working, is that vga=5 or vga=791 |
| 15:55.56 | Amarande | since what -is- in etch so far seems to work pretty well |
| 15:56.07 | azeem | Amarande: check the release critical bug count |
| 15:56.07 | foKs|ZzZZ | azeem : trying to setup a proxy for a lanparty 150 peeps |
| 15:56.16 | thingfish | Amarande: it's probably going to be about another year. |
| 15:56.21 | azeem | foKs|ZzZZ: why not ask about it in here? |
| 15:56.27 | Amarande | I haven't seen any serious glitches other than an isolated (and so far unreproduced) corruption of libvte.so.4, and the fact that the GNOME CD player doesn't seem to like me. |
| 15:56.40 | Turms | valdyn: if i use either 791 or 788 which are used by framebuffer the screen remains black though the boot process is performed |
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| 15:56.41 | azeem | Amarande: try sound-juicer instead |
| 15:57.20 | thingfish | gnome CD player has been a joke forever, in all distros, imho. |
| 15:57.30 | foKs|ZzZZ | azeem : i prefer idling in a proxy ( channel ) and suck up the info but if there's no specific channel i'll come back with my question when i'm working on it... |
| 15:57.40 | foKs|ZzZZ | azeem: do u have a suggestion |
| 15:57.47 | azeem | foKs|ZzZZ: no |
| 15:57.55 | azeem | foKs|ZzZZ: I doubt there is a Debian specific proxy channel |
| 15:58.02 | sparr | can anyone suggest a howto on converting arbitrary video to a hardware-player-friendly dvd in linux? |
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| 15:58.12 | liata | i've installed kernel-image-2.6.8.-2-686 from a previus 2.4.27 kernel and now when i boot up it shows "Loading linux..... bios data check successful" and reboots |
| 15:58.18 | foKs|ZzZZ | azeem : but a specific proxy to use ? |
| 15:58.25 | Amarande | and the hardware in this machine is surely OK, even the HD, badblocks and smart haven't revealed anything major |
| 15:58.25 | petemc | sparr: dvd styler |
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| 15:58.33 | liata | could be cause this is a very old machine (pmmx 200mhz with 132ram) |
| 15:58.35 | azeem | foKs|ZzZZ: it depends on what kind of things you want to proxy |
| 15:58.43 | azeem | foKs|ZzZZ: I don't know much about proxies anyway |
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| 15:58.44 | Amarande | actually, what's this?: Feb 3 04:58:05 megami smartd[19480]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 7 Seek_Error_Rate changed from 200 to 100 |
| 15:58.46 | valdyn | Turms: that 2.6.12 is a debian kernel too? |
| 15:58.48 | azeem | foKs|ZzZZ: better ask the whole chan |
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| 15:59.00 | Turms | valdyn: yes |
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| 15:59.13 | foKs|ZzZZ | azeem : ofcourse no problem, thx |
| 15:59.33 | Amarande | in any case, smartd hasn't reported any blocks being bad, and the only other msgs from it seem to concern temperature |
| 15:59.33 | liata | when i boot up from lilo using the linuxold option i get kernel panic VFS, it cant mount the root fs "please append a correct root= boot option" |
| 15:59.40 | Turms | valdyn: now i have recompiled from debian kernel source using the .config from 2.6.8 and using make oldconfig |
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| 15:59.53 | Amarande | actually, could the fact that my HD looks like it's running a little hot have caused such a random file corruption? |
| 15:59.59 | Turms | valdyn: but without any avail |
| 16:00.02 | liata | i've tried runing "linuxold root=/dev/hda1" and gone through /dev/hda2, hda3, hdc, hdb... nothing boots up |
| 16:00.05 | Sonderblade | im running debian unstable and when i try apt-get update it says: Unable to fetch file, server said ‘Can't open /debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file or directory ’ |
| 16:00.07 | Amarande | according to smartd, the HD is running fairly consistently around 100 degrees C |
| 16:00.32 | azeem | Sonderblade: paste your sources.list to a pastebin |
| 16:00.32 | Amarande | or is that normal for a hard drive, especially ... I think it's a 7200 RPM |
| 16:00.33 | azeem | !paster |
| 16:00.33 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 16:01.11 | embre_ | hi, I am using 2.6.15 unstable, how can I mount the /selinux filesystem ? |
| 16:01.30 | embre_ | "mount -t selinuxfs none /selinux" not working |
| 16:01.49 | embre_ | cat /proc/filesystems shows, there is no selinuxfs |
| 16:01.50 | azeem | embre_: there is a selinuxfs? |
| 16:01.53 | Amarande | all I know is I see a message during boot about it not being mounted each time |
| 16:02.02 | Sonderblade | azeem: it is only this line: deb ftp://ftp.sunet.se/debian/ unstable main |
| 16:02.09 | sparr | is there a way to install a local deb but use apt to get its dependencies? |
| 16:02.21 | embre_ | @azeem: hmm how would you get this /selinux ? |
| 16:02.21 | azeem | Sonderblade: maybe remove the / after debian |
| 16:02.22 | Fujoor | anybody who can guide me trough installing rtorrent? |
| 16:02.22 | valdyn | Turms: check dmesg for the vesafb output |
| 16:02.30 | azeem | embre_: I didn't know it existed |
| 16:02.34 | azeem | embre_: so I cannot tell you |
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| 16:02.38 | embre_ | ok |
| 16:02.40 | azeem | Sonderblade: otherwise, try a different mirror |
| 16:03.10 | Turms | valdyn: ok, next time i boot with vga=791 i'll do that, thanks |
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| 16:04.30 | stew | Sonderblade: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian/ appears to be the url you need to use |
| 16:05.40 | Turms | valdyn: i've recovered the msgs from kern.log i paste them to pastebin, mom |
| 16:05.49 | valdyn | Turms: there's been quite a few fixes for regressions in vesafb since 2.6.12. Dmesg should at least show some of these errors |
| 16:06.02 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:06.05 | Amarande | any of you familiar with SMART? |
| 16:06.28 | valdyn | !smart |
| 16:06.28 | dpkg | well, smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 16:06.35 | azeem | Amarande: tried google? |
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| 16:07.51 | Turms | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/537088 |
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| 16:08.32 | valdyn | Turms: oh well, that wasnt useful, it just looks good |
| 16:09.53 | valdyn | Turms: what about mtrr errors in the same log? |
| 16:10.02 | embre_ | I added "selinux=1" to kernel options, but still not working :/ I checked the 2.6.15 source, selinux IS enabled and SHOULD work, but why there is no selinuxfs ? anyone ? |
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| 16:10.53 | Turms | valdyn: ok, i'll get them |
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| 16:11.21 | Amarande | blah |
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| 16:11.36 | Amarande | I wonder if this is fixed in firefox 1.5 or not |
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| 16:11.37 | black_ | hello everybody |
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| 16:11.46 | black_ | somebody can help me to configure my audio? |
| 16:11.47 | Amarande | apparently, PDFs with spaces in the filename don't get passed correctly to evince |
| 16:11.56 | Amarande | those have to be saved and manually loaded |
| 16:12.15 | Turms | valdyn: just one line: Jan 31 18:03:53 topolino kernel: [4294669.073000] mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) |
| 16:12.33 | valdyn | Turms: ok, thats not the error i was looking for, i have no idea what's wrong then |
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| 16:12.54 | Turms | valdyn: thank you anyway for your patience |
| 16:13.05 | Maria | hi, does anybody know a fast way to downcase the filenames of an entiry directory subtree? |
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| 16:13.19 | sparr | petemc: so ive got the dvdstyler deb, but it wants mjpegtools installed, and i cant find a deb for that. suggestion? |
| 16:13.35 | petemc | sparr: do what i did and google |
| 16:13.44 | cahoot | Maria: look at 'rename' |
| 16:13.52 | petemc | sparr: you can get debs from sourceforge |
| 16:14.05 | sparr | petemc: i googled. i found mjpegtools, but their sourceforge page only has rpms, not debs |
| 16:14.06 | black_ | somebody how to configure an audio driver? |
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| 16:14.13 | petemc | sparr: wrong |
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| 16:14.47 | bbrazil | !root |
| 16:14.47 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 16:14.49 | sparr | petemc: as always, thanks for half an answer. |
| 16:15.03 | petemc | whatever |
| 16:15.05 | Turms | valdyn: i use a sis 86C326 5598/6326 should be loaded any other modules in your opinion? |
| 16:15.14 | Turms | valdyn: a part from vesafb |
| 16:15.21 | Maria | cahoot: rename doesn't have a recursive option |
| 16:15.23 | black_ | somebody how to configure an audio driver? |
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| 16:16.46 | sparr | can anyone help me locate some debs in the vicinity of http://sourceforge.net/projects/mjpeg please? |
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| 16:17.35 | Fr0Gs | Hey all |
| 16:17.58 | Fr0Gs | i am having trouble with fglrx im not getting high fps when i type glxgears into terminal |
| 16:18.39 | embre_ | do I need selinuxfs ??? in /selinux for it to work ? |
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| 16:18.54 | embre_ | or has it changed with a newer selinux version ? |
| 16:18.59 | Amarande | Fr0Gs: probably just because you're using ATI |
| 16:19.08 | Amarande | ATI is well known to perform worse on linux than nvidia |
| 16:19.13 | Fr0Gs | yes i know that |
| 16:19.15 | phyrster | there is a program called 'pdflush' which takes up most of the cpu load. what is this program? |
| 16:19.30 | embre_ | because support IS integrated to kernel, but there is no selinuxfs :( |
| 16:19.31 | phyrster | what is its function? |
| 16:19.41 | azeem | phyrster: did you try man pdflush? |
| 16:19.48 | Fr0Gs | but i have had ati running fine on ubuntu which is based on this so yer |
| 16:19.51 | phyrster | azeem: no result with man |
| 16:20.14 | embre_ | cat: /selinux/policyvers: file not found |
| 16:20.19 | embre_ | it says :( |
| 16:20.19 | petemc | sparr: i added a line in sources.list for dvdstyler.sf.net, and i had marillat already, that was all i needed - god forbid you should have to think for yourself |
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| 16:21.15 | Amarande | dpkg, tell novalis about root |
| 16:21.44 | embre_ | hmm or might 2.6.15 be broken ? |
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| 16:22.01 | embre_ | itÄs unstable release... or is it different from the -source ? |
| 16:22.02 | Maria | hi, does anybody know a fast way to downcase the filenames of an entire directory subtree? |
| 16:22.04 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:22.04 | smhar | hi |
| 16:22.18 | Fr0Gs | hey so if i get a nvidia gfx card it will work better then my ati? |
| 16:22.19 | Amarande | does sensors-applet only work when used by root, or do I need to modprobe something to get it to pick up the sensors? |
| 16:22.21 | embre_ | but normally -source and -image should be the same right ? |
| 16:22.24 | tarzeau | Maria: yes, rename |
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| 16:23.08 | sparr | petemc: my line for marrilat has stopped working, and how was i supposed to know that dvdstyler.sf.net had a repository? |
| 16:23.15 | smhar | I have a builtin network port in my computer that is recognized in windows with IRQ 10 and working fine.. but debian installtion assigned IRQ 11 to it, and it is not working.. how can I change that |
| 16:23.55 | petemc | sparr: the same way i found out, when i took the 10 minutes required to set up dvd styler |
| 16:24.25 | sparr | petemc: well, its moot, in addition to having trouble getting it running it turns out im too stupid to use it as well |
| 16:24.53 | petemc | ... |
| 16:25.41 | petemc | sparr: laziness would appear to be a bigger problem than stupidity for you |
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| 16:26.47 | Maria | tarzeau: sorry, but I don't understand how to get rename to process the entire subtree and not only the current directory |
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| 16:27.08 | bobw | when I do a dpkg -l, why do I see an "ii" in the first column of every record/package in my system |
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| 16:27.47 | petemc | bobw: thats to signify its installed, man dpkg |
| 16:28.55 | stew | bobw: at the top of the output there is a key to what those two columns mean |
| 16:30.25 | S4nD3r | Is possible to import Kmail emails to thunderbird?? |
| 16:31.29 | pipeline | S4nD3r: It's possible to export kmail mail to mbox format, which thunderbird can import. |
| 16:31.40 | tarzeau | Maria: find |
| 16:31.44 | S4nD3r | how ?? |
| 16:31.44 | sparr | petemc: using a computer to accomplish anything is laziness. i simply want the computer to do more of the work in this particular task, as i hate doing the math for converting random ratio/size video to dvds |
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| 16:32.01 | bobw | petemc, stew, i didnt see anythnig describing those columns in my first glance of man dpkg...I have an old kernel image with a rc in there, whats that mean? |
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| 16:32.21 | Gathond | bobw: usually release candidate |
| 16:32.41 | stew | bobw: try running "dpkg -l libc6" for instance, you will see the key at the top of the output |
| 16:32.47 | stew | Gathond: huh? |
| 16:32.58 | petemc | sparr: thats fair enough, i just found it trivial to install and use dvd styler |
| 16:33.06 | stew | bobw: the r means you requested it to be removed, and the c means only config files remain |
| 16:33.10 | Gathond | stew: rc in a kernel version? |
| 16:33.13 | bobw | stew, ah thanks |
| 16:33.27 | stew | Gathond: no in "dpkg -l" output |
| 16:33.30 | S4nD3r | pipeline, How to look for tips about it?? |
| 16:33.31 | Gathond | ahhh he is talking about the dpkg -l output, not the version of anything :) |
| 16:33.35 | Gathond | sorry |
| 16:33.41 | S4nD3r | Import mbox?? Converting mbox ?? |
| 16:33.42 | bobw | stew, so i need to purge to wipe it out clean ey? |
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| 16:34.10 | pipeline | S4nD3r: It's probably pretty straightforward to do. |
| 16:34.24 | sparr | petemc: i got the debs from their repository, but im still puzzled that they arent available from the sf files section. but now that its running its just a tad too alien for me. |
| 16:34.26 | _keroppi_ | Is there an experimental package for xserver-xorg 7.0? |
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| 16:35.33 | _keroppi_ | Sorry, I mean source package |
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| 16:35.33 | embre | anyone got selinux working with 2.6.15 ? |
| 16:35.33 | embre | I read a tutorial howto patch 2.6.14 with selinux, and I found out that |
| 16:35.33 | embre | 2.6.15 had options checked not recommend for selinux |
| 16:35.33 | petemc | sparr: well, theres a nice guide on how to use it. its worth noting i had to add a few extra parameters to one of the commands it runs due to version issues, and you'll have to transcode any avi files, it only sees mpg |
| 16:35.50 | stew | bobw: yes but i don't think kernel packages install any conffiles anyway, you can check by looking at the contents of the file named /var/lib/dpkg/info/$packagename.conffiles if one exists, if it doesn't exist there are no conffiles and purging will do no more than change that status |
| 16:35.52 | embre | I am rebuilding the kernel from source now... |
| 16:36.02 | embre | with recommend settings |
| 16:36.04 | sparr | the transcoding is the only step i want to skip, so dvdstyler is just a bit off the mark for me. thanks though |
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| 16:36.39 | Maria | tarzeau: piping find into rename produces a huge list of file not found errors after stepping down one directory level because the directory (still uppercase when find runs) is then already lowercase |
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| 16:37.11 | bobw | stew, how do I see the full .deb filename in dpkg -l | grep kernel |
| 16:37.25 | stew | bobw: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel |
| 16:37.30 | sparr | one, for laziness, because it takes me too long to do all the math and look up the command line parameters to crop/stretch/letterbox the video |
| 16:37.45 | sparr | two, for precision, because most of them time when i use transcode i get desync'd audio |
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| 16:38.27 | _keroppi_ | What is an easy way to list the packages in the experimental distribution, along with their versions? |
| 16:38.28 | bobw | stew, thank you, i had it set to 360 before and then it got reset |
| 16:38.32 | bobw | i forgot |
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| 16:39.06 | dr1v3r | ok guys i am after a package that can show inbound and outbound traffic limits in GB that can be reset when i wish to reset it. Any ideas? |
| 16:39.12 | dr1v3r | I have mrtg but it is only showing it in kbs :( |
| 16:39.32 | fatal___ | dr1v3r: you can configure the unit in mrtg. |
| 16:39.56 | dr1v3r | can i? i just thought it waqs set as standard |
| 16:40.08 | abrotman | probably |
| 16:40.15 | abrotman | you could like .. check the documentation |
| 16:40.34 | fatal___ | you can choose bits or bytes, override unit definition, do math in the conffile (like divide by 1000).... |
| 16:40.40 | dr1v3r | well i have that installed onto my control panel and it will only allow it in kbs |
| 16:40.40 | abrotman | _keroppi_: you get the Packages file from the archive and use grep |
| 16:40.44 | dr1v3r | this is why i ahve asked |
| 16:40.52 | abrotman | control panel ? |
| 16:41.03 | dr1v3r | its build in with my hosting provider |
| 16:41.04 | Amarande | okay, this is probably just a basic bash thing |
| 16:41.09 | fatal___ | mrtg is extremely flexible when it comes to configuration.... so flexible that it hurts.. ;) |
| 16:41.17 | cisse | fatal___: basically |
| 16:41.21 | Amarande | what's the easiest way to run a program and have it display its exit code as well? |
| 16:41.23 | Gathond | fatal___: pretty much |
| 16:41.26 | abrotman | dr1v3r: apparently you didn't look very hard .. http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/ .. shows in M |
| 16:41.39 | _keroppi_ | abrotman: Yep, just did that. =) |
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| 16:42.16 | Gathond | Amarande: probably depends on the person :) I think I would make a very small C wrapper for it, but that probably more relates to me not knowing about a smarter way |
| 16:42.17 | dr1v3r | that graph on that page is current time, i need one that shows the stats over a full month |
| 16:42.30 | fatal___ | personally I use "bandwidthd"... libpcap frontend that generates html output... very easy to configure... now also available in debian... example: http://fjortis.info/apps/bandwidthd/ |
| 16:42.46 | dr1v3r | example i check on the 14th of the month and it says 100GB and then 5 days later it says 110GB |
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| 16:43.35 | Amarande | ahh, here we go |
| 16:43.38 | Amarande | foo ; echo $? |
| 16:43.59 | Amarande | y'know |
| 16:44.04 | Amarande | someday someone really is going to make a program called foo |
| 16:44.22 | Amarande | and then we're going to get all sorts of reports from newbies that they screwed up their machine by running it when someone used foo as an example :) |
| 16:44.22 | abrotman | dr1v3r: FFS .. read the documentation |
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| 16:44.46 | abrotman | dr1v3r: or try apt-cache search bandwidth graph .. or something like that |
| 16:44.53 | dr1v3r | yea i see what you mean fatal___ i dont even need it to be that specific, just to say this amount used |
| 16:44.59 | dr1v3r | i dont want a graph |
| 16:45.01 | abrotman | !fish |
| 16:45.01 | dpkg | fish is probably FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
| 16:45.06 | dr1v3r | i have a graph and its crap |
| 16:45.41 | Gathond | Amarande: so foo should do something evil then? rm -rf /home or the like? that would indeed be evil |
| 16:45.43 | dr1v3r | i just want it in basic, i type a command and it says 100GB used, or something as stupid and simple as that |
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| 16:48.38 | Amarande | Gathond: No, I'm thinking it might be more of a sort of system administration tool that could alter obscurish things that would lead to weird, strange failures difficult to pin down. |
| 16:49.07 | Amarande | It might end up being something perfectly safe for an experienced admin to use, but easy for a newbie to mess things up with. |
| 16:49.10 | Gathond | one could make it an sh obfuscator yes :) |
| 16:49.10 | Amarande | Then we'd have problems. |
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| 16:49.21 | StanTheMan | anyone use postfix (alone, solely) to host a very very basic mailing list? And have it rewriting the from address (and reply-to: address)? No one on #postfix can tell me how to do it. I'd rather not have to go to bajor-domo or |
| 16:49.30 | kspath | abrotman: gasp java? |
| 16:49.32 | StanTheMan | mailman for what I'm wanting to do |
| 16:49.35 | abrotman | kspath: no |
| 16:49.41 | abrotman | kspath: try it on a router/firewall |
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| 16:51.33 | kspath | abrotman: why is that creepy? |
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| 16:51.50 | abrotman | kspath: just keep watching it |
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| 16:52.34 | abrotman | kspath: the one i'm watching is a router/firewall in front of our mailserver .. |
| 16:52.48 | abrotman | oh look .. spanish spam .. yay |
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| 16:53.54 | abrotman | :sing abrotman |
| 16:53.58 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 16:53.58 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 17:02.59 | _keroppi_ | I'm trying to build xorg 7.0 from source, and there doesn't seem to be a debian package for it, even in experimental. If there is, please let me know. However, I'm running the configure script, and it's asking for things like GLPROTO, DRIPROTO, LIBDRM, -- and it tell me to look for files for them, libdrm.pc, glproto.pc, xf86driproto.pc -- none of which are in stable, testing or unstable (apt-file search). How do I get these libraries required? |
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| 17:03.29 | abrotman | _keroppi_: be patient .. they're coming |
| 17:04.09 | abrotman | _keroppi_: and if you insist on building from source .. ask #xorg |
| 17:04.16 | _keroppi_ | abrotman: You mean they're being packaged by debian packages, right? |
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| 17:04.21 | _keroppi_ | abrotman: Okay, thanks abrotman |
| 17:04.29 | abrotman | _keroppi_: yes .. they were being built this week .. dunno if they are done yet |
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| 17:05.03 | Amarande | libdrm?! is that for what I THINK it's for?? |
| 17:05.08 | inc|freaky | hi all. can some1 tell that bot to explain me how to install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 17:05.23 | abrotman | !some1 |
| 17:05.24 | dpkg | i heard some1 is IRC shorthand for "I'm a twit" |
| 17:05.34 | abrotman | !tell inc|freaky about nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:05.48 | inc|freaky | thankyou!! :) |
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| 17:07.08 | undrewb | hiya |
| 17:07.09 | Amarande | I still have to wonder just why the two companies that did make legal Linux DVD players never sold them to the public |
| 17:07.13 | Amarande | they only ever sold them to OEMs |
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| 17:08.07 | Amarande | only thing I can think of is that the open source kernel inherently gives root too much power for Hollywood to be happy with |
| 17:08.24 | undrewb | I have a question about libwww or curl I hope someone can help with - should I just ask in channel, or is there a better way to ask? |
| 17:09.35 | Gathond | undrewb: just ask in channel |
| 17:09.37 | stew | undrewb: go ahead and ask and if there is a more appropriate place we'll redirect you |
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| 17:10.04 | stew | Amarande: what is different between 6.9 and 7.0 that would make legal DVD players any more possible? |
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| 17:12.30 | undrewb | neato. ok.. I installed curl and libwww using apt-get. They're both there now and that cool. But theres a configure script for somne software I am installing that checks for a network transport by testing for curl-config or libwww-config. These tests pass on at least fedora - I am wondering why with debian I dont get the config files for curl and libwww. |
| 17:13.02 | AKX | what was the fix again for perl warnings about locales while upgrading to testing? |
| 17:13.02 | undrewb | and I guess more generally, there seems to be a lot of issues like that with debian - is it a bit different with packages? |
| 17:13.30 | Gathond | undrewb: those are probably in the development packages (debian has the part used to develop software based on things in seperate packages) install curl-dev and libwww-dev and I think you will be fine |
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| 17:13.58 | undrewb | aaaah |
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| 17:14.04 | undrewb | that makes sense |
| 17:14.06 | Gathond | undrewb: since people not compiling stuff does not need the header files and such debian has them in -dev packages so they dont take up space for everyone |
| 17:14.11 | undrewb | I'll try that |
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| 17:14.17 | Amarande | stew: looks like 7.0 has support for something called libdrm |
| 17:14.18 | stew | undrewb: curl-config is a package in fedora? or a binary? or what? |
| 17:14.23 | cp | hi. has anyone tried to install jdee on testing, lately? |
| 17:14.29 | cp | it breaks for me.. |
| 17:14.31 | Amarande | which presumably would allow for binary-based DRM libraries, which is what Hollywood would insist on |
| 17:14.39 | Amarande | and that would have to be done at the Xserver level |
| 17:14.46 | mortal | 7.0? |
| 17:15.06 | Amarande | I can imagine they would NOT want a DVD player that just sends the video to a normal X window |
| 17:15.24 | cp | http://rafb.net/paste/results/RonITP55.html |
| 17:15.34 | Gathond | Amarande: I dont care what they want, if it cant I wont buy it :) |
| 17:15.52 | Amarande | the socket-based architecture of X would just mean instant DVD ripper there, since root could just hijack the datastream while it's printing, using not too much different tech from how things like tcpdump and friends monitor ethernet data |
| 17:15.59 | stew | Amarande: drm is the direct rendering manager |
| 17:16.06 | Amarande | stew: oh! |
| 17:16.11 | Amarande | dangit |
| 17:16.14 | mortal | Amarande: drm doesn't work |
| 17:16.16 | Amarande | one thing we really need in the computer industry |
| 17:16.24 | Amarande | is to stop overloading TLAs :) |
| 17:16.37 | patric | come on, its fun |
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| 17:16.47 | paveq | if can't find amarok, does debian have it |
| 17:16.48 | patric | eTLAs are my favorite |
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| 17:16.57 | phretor | hello there |
| 17:17.06 | Amarande | anyway, I can imagine them being leery of the X architecture for playing DVDs, just because root could so easily rip by copying the datastream as it is sent through the X socket |
| 17:17.16 | Amarande | (since no datastream can be shielded from root) |
| 17:17.21 | undrewb | gathond : I installed the -dev versions and its all good. thanks for the tip |
| 17:17.22 | mortal | Amarande: bits are by nature copyable |
| 17:17.22 | phretor | is there any way to disable the kernel automatic ipv4 packet defragmentation? |
| 17:17.26 | patric | apt-get install amarok |
| 17:17.37 | mortal | by making them not is like making water not wet, said some famous guy |
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| 17:17.44 | patric | paveq, apt-get install amarok |
| 17:17.45 | paveq | E: Package amarok has no installation candidate |
| 17:18.00 | Amarande | mortal: well yeah. heck, even TCPA and friends aren't about keeping people from copying bits, they just keep you from doing anything with the bits after you copy them. :) |
| 17:18.03 | paveq | patric: I got testing repos |
| 17:18.10 | phretor | on linux-2.2 I used to echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_always_defrag |
| 17:18.13 | black_ | how can I install a .bin? |
| 17:18.17 | stew | Amarande: for you dream to be true there would have to be no open source X drivers either, and that's not going to happen |
| 17:18.28 | stew | Amarande: i mean graphics chipset drivers |
| 17:18.59 | patric | so add a stable line to your sources.list long enough to get amarok |
| 17:19.35 | Amarande | on a more practical note, I wonder if PowerDVD or WinDVD work correctly with WINE |
| 17:19.39 | paveq | well I can find it from unstable |
| 17:19.50 | necrose | hi all |
| 17:19.54 | Amarande | winehq has an entry for powerdvd, but all it mentions is a version, without any actual wine-type info |
| 17:19.55 | CcSsNET | amarande why not use Mplayer or Xine |
| 17:19.57 | paveq | why doesn't testing repo have some pieces of software? |
| 17:20.06 | paveq | I'm forced to use unstable :S |
| 17:20.15 | necrose | i want to copy files from another computer which use windows ? |
| 17:20.29 | necrose | how to do it ? |
| 17:20.29 | stew | paveq: lots of kde software was removed from testing enable the kde3.3->kde3.4 transition to take place |
| 17:20.30 | paveq | necrose: magic word, samba |
| 17:20.33 | CcSsNET | necrose look into winscp |
| 17:20.37 | CcSsNET | or samba |
| 17:20.42 | CcSsNET | samba lot less secure |
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| 17:20.46 | stew | paveq: and hasn't made it back in yet becuase of the kde3.4->kde3.5 transistion |
| 17:20.53 | paveq | stew: ok |
| 17:20.57 | necrose | is it from kde or shell ? |
| 17:21.05 | paveq | stew: does these breakings happen often? |
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| 17:21.14 | stew | paveq: in testing? yes |
| 17:21.15 | CcSsNET | y not look into it |
| 17:21.24 | paveq | stew: it should be unstable that should be broken IMO |
| 17:21.34 | Amarande | stew: glad I use GNOME, then :) |
| 17:21.36 | Greatred | necrose, try (in konqeror): smb://windows_computer_name/share_name |
| 17:21.40 | stew | paveq: unstable breaks in completely different ways |
| 17:21.41 | Amarande | sounds like KDE is fairly limited in etch right now |
| 17:21.54 | Morydd | Hi, I've got a lexmark x73 connected via USB and it seems that it is constantly connecting and disconnecting. Any ideas what might cause this? |
| 17:22.10 | stew | paveq: install apt-listbugs, and /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
| 17:22.14 | Amarande | Morydd: flaky USB cable? |
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| 17:22.31 | kspath | paveq: there is nothing broken, just use stable and things will just work else enjoy the "latest" stuff |
| 17:22.48 | Amarande | Morydd: try using a different cable and see if it still does that |
| 17:22.55 | Morydd | Amarande: hmmm... It would make me very happy if it's that easy. |
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| 17:23.03 | paveq | kspath: stable tends to be way too old |
| 17:23.08 | paveq | for me at least |
| 17:23.21 | necrose | thanks |
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| 17:24.00 | cnet2 | i'm installing debian on my ibm t41, any suggestions for xwindow manager? |
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| 17:24.15 | cnet2 | any distribution with windows manager included? |
| 17:24.16 | Amarande | yeah, I tried stable and decided I was better off with etch :) |
| 17:24.47 | Amarande | etch has been good to me so far, other than one or two glitchy applications and that one incident with a corrupted library |
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| 17:25.05 | Greatred | cnet2, depends what you want. kde and gnome are popular, but if it's a low spec machine then go for something like fluxbox or blackbox etc |
| 17:25.06 | kspath | I just saw the FUNNIEST thing in the world. A review of M$ Exchange book, "Great Exchange book that covers the real world!" hehehehe so damn funny... |
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| 17:25.19 | stew | t41 is certainly not low-spec |
| 17:25.26 | cnet2 | jeje.. :P |
| 17:25.29 | stew | cnet2: try a bunch, see what feels good to you |
| 17:25.30 | Greatred | that's good then :) |
| 17:25.36 | Greatred | i have no idea what a t41 is :) |
| 17:25.47 | Amarande | GNOME seems to run pretty well on current computers, anyway |
| 17:25.52 | Amarande | I still remember the olden days, though. |
| 17:26.04 | cnet2 | ..ok i'll try that |
| 17:26.17 | Amarande | First X slowed things to a crawl. Then X was okay, and Enlightenment slowed things to a crawl. Then Enlightenment got okay, but GNOME slowed things to a crawl. |
| 17:26.20 | Amarande | And now things are just okay. :) |
| 17:26.30 | Morydd | no such luck. same results with different cable. |
| 17:26.43 | undrewb | window managers are for feebs. go old skool and runa text only console |
| 17:26.48 | Amarande | Morydd: tried a different USB port, too? |
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| 17:27.57 | aidehua | undrewb: use ion! |
| 17:28.21 | kspath | undrewb: I agree with you mostly. However, most people do work with images occasionally and you have more options with gui management of numerous things. Else I would just use vty and screen |
| 17:28.51 | aidehua | aalib pr0n never did much for me :/ |
| 17:28.52 | |aSa| | A fstab/nfs related question: Why when i add the folowing line to fstab - "host:/dir /mnt/host nfs exec,user,noauto 0 0" /mnt/host is mounted with noexec flag? |
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| 17:30.22 | kspath | undrewb: there are things like ratpoison, ion3, and others that are quite keyboard centric and very console like while keeping the usefulness of gui |
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| 17:31.21 | kspath | undrewb: there is also openbox3 when you want all the powerful of a wm without it getting in your way or being silly so much |
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| 17:31.38 | applejax33 | raid question for anyone |
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| 17:32.09 | Morydd | Amarande: one would think, I'd figure that sort of thing on my own. Thanks. Seems to be functioning |
| 17:32.12 | applejax33 | 2 drives on seperate controllers both 1.7 TB want to make 1 /data dir |
| 17:32.23 | applejax33 | raid 0? |
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| 17:32.29 | applejax33 | software |
| 17:32.43 | undrewb | yah kspath. I agree console isnt seriously a 100% solution. But I see a lot of fancy UI's running for no good reason. |
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| 17:33.07 | Amarande | applejax33: maybe you should donate them to the Debian project instead |
| 17:33.08 | Amarande | :) |
| 17:33.09 | undrewb | I guess so long as people are happy and productive, its all good :) |
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| 17:33.38 | Amarande | that's probably enough space to hold every Debian package that is, was, and ever shall be |
| 17:33.41 | Cyorxamp | Does anyone in here use a SB Live! card? - I need the default ALSA volume settings as mine are screwed! |
| 17:33.48 | applejax33 | lol |
| 17:33.53 | applejax33 | its for backup |
| 17:33.54 | |aSa| | kspath: Actualy current e16 CVS is as fast as openbox while being more compatible with newer wm hints. And it is without any doubt faster and lighter tham fluxbox/icewm. |
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| 17:34.05 | Amarande | how can you possibly need 1.7 TB of backup space :) |
| 17:34.07 | ClamIAm | I had a filesystem error or something, my root fs is remounted -ro, any suggestions? |
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| 17:34.17 | applejax33 | 60 + servers |
| 17:34.23 | mortal | ClamIAm: fsck |
| 17:34.39 | ClamIAm | mortal, I rebooted and it didn't run fsck :| |
| 17:34.46 | patric | I thought everyone needed a terrabyte or two of backup space, and a couple more of just scratch |
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| 17:34.57 | Amarande | ClamIAm: Get a Knoppix or similar livecd and boot and fsck the partition from there |
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| 17:35.03 | Amarande | you don't want to fsck a partition that's mounted :) |
| 17:35.12 | ClamIAm | yeah i know that :/ |
| 17:35.19 | applejax33 | theres currently nothing on the drives |
| 17:35.37 | Amarande | "/dev/hda1 182638640 8893648 164467460 6% /" |
| 17:35.37 | applejax33 | just 2 empty 1.7999999 empty raid 5's |
| 17:35.43 | Amarande | I can't even use anywhere near all of the space I -have- |
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| 17:37.08 | Amarande | Eagh, replacing failed disk? |
| 17:37.18 | Amarande | that reminds me, maybe I should move megami into a new case at some point in the future |
| 17:37.23 | Amarande | this case has a few problems related to failure |
| 17:37.27 | Amarande | not that it causes failure |
| 17:37.34 | Amarande | but it's a total bear and a half to change the HD if I need to |
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| 17:37.53 | Amarande | I have to remove all the RAM to remove the HD :/ |
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| 17:39.00 | applejax33 | Disk /dev/cciss/c1d0p1: 1799.9 GB, 1799969079296 bytes |
| 17:39.06 | applejax33 | Disk /dev/cciss/c2d0p1: 1799.9 GB, 1799969079296 bytes |
| 17:39.14 | applejax33 | need to combine |
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| 17:40.25 | applejax33 | does software raid have a max disk size? |
| 17:41.57 | Gathond | applejax33: it always does when it comes to binary computers, but Im pretty sure its way higher than what is practially feasible to build |
| 17:42.08 | black_ | someone has a tutorial to install eclipse on linux? |
| 17:42.19 | applejax33 | hmmmmm |
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| 17:42.42 | applejax33 | any idea how to combine them |
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| 17:43.11 | Gathond | I have no experience with building SW raids though |
| 17:43.20 | applejax33 | shucks me niether |
| 17:43.22 | applejax33 | lol |
| 17:43.38 | applejax33 | and hardware raid max is 2 TB |
| 17:43.42 | applejax33 | ugggh |
| 17:43.55 | Gathond | I bet that is up to the specific raid controller |
| 17:43.59 | valdyn | applejax33: why would h/w raid max be 2 TB? |
| 17:44.08 | applejax33 | comcrap |
| 17:44.10 | applejax33 | err |
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| 17:44.12 | applejax33 | compaq |
| 17:44.13 | Cyorxamp | Does anyone in here use a SB Live! card? - I need the default ALSA volume settings as mine are screwed! |
| 17:44.14 | Gathond | but some probably has a limit there :) |
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| 17:45.08 | applejax33 | compaq raid cards max raid 5 is 2 TB per |
| 17:45.28 | applejax33 | and im running 14 300 gig in a stoage array |
| 17:45.48 | kryl | I'm searching a driver for the nic in the NF4 chipset. lspci don't show the card !! |
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| 17:46.37 | nukeu666 | i have 2 comps on lan...10.2.3.4 and 10.2.3.5....they can ping each other but cant nfs mount or even traceroute between them....any ideas? or how to force a route between them? |
| 17:46.44 | applejax33 | hear thaqt got 4 suns stiing here with nf4 cant use |
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| 17:46.58 | kryl | :-( |
| 17:47.18 | applejax33 | not even openbsd has nf4 support yet |
| 17:47.45 | kryl | I'm searching ... |
| 17:48.08 | cripper | can you scan for open ports, nuke? |
| 17:48.18 | applejax33 | good luck gave up after 2 weeks ordered some 3coms :) |
| 17:48.37 | kryl | I see ... |
| 17:48.39 | kryl | too bad |
| 17:48.57 | applejax33 | unstable has 1 but not very good |
| 17:49.17 | applejax33 | cant get myself past etch |
| 17:49.29 | SerajewelKS | why would a dist-upgrade on 2.6.15 pull in nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-2-386? i wasn't aware that precompiled versions of the driver were even available anymore. |
| 17:50.04 | kryl | can you give me the name of the driver in etch please ? |
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| 17:50.28 | applejax33 | its on my home puter still at the office ill check when i get there |
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| 17:51.18 | kryl | ok thanks |
| 17:51.28 | Amarande | this machine has an nForce4 chipset, it seems to run fine |
| 17:51.31 | Amarande | unless you mean a different NF4 |
| 17:51.40 | applejax33 | nf4 nic drivers |
| 17:51.42 | Amarande | though I don't use the onboard ethernet |
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| 17:51.47 | applejax33 | exactly |
| 17:52.06 | Amarande | good thing I got an 82541PI, I guess |
| 17:52.21 | kryl | the MB is a A8N-SLI deluxe |
| 17:52.27 | Amarande | though even that needs 2.6.12 and was a major reason I chose to run etch |
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| 17:52.47 | Amarande | 2.4 and 2.6.8 seem to have bugs in the e1000 driver related to 82541PI |
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| 17:53.11 | Amarande | for a moment I was going to kick myself for getting it instead of just getting an 82559 like I originally planned to |
| 17:53.17 | Amarande | before being seduced by the allure of gigabit-ready |
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| 17:55.07 | eeyore- | Amarande: why not go grab the intel e1000 driver directly? they're the ones who maintain it, and often have later versions than what's in the kernel |
| 17:56.04 | Amarande | eeyore: in any case, 2.6.12 works fine with e1000 |
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| 17:56.32 | Amarande | neither of the sarge kernels liked it much, though |
| 17:56.57 | S4nD3r | Id like to see the emacs editor |
| 17:57.06 | S4nD3r | the installation is emacs21 ?? |
| 17:57.10 | S4nD3r | using apt-get |
| 17:57.27 | kryl | 00:0a.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 Ethernet Controller (rev a3) |
| 17:58.36 | S4nD3r | Is there any package to install in debian about development ??? |
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| 17:58.48 | eu | oi |
| 17:58.50 | S4nD3r | php, java, c, c++, gtk, tcl |
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| 17:59.42 | eeyore- | oooh, nvidia crusher chipset ... |
| 17:59.52 | eeyore- | Asus motherboard? |
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| 18:02.29 | eeyore- | kryl: that particular board is supposed to have two LAN controllers. one is built-in to nforce4 and the other is a marvell. you might have better luck with the marvell :-) |
| 18:02.29 | StereoSkit | dudes, since theres no k3b in testing, is there any app to copy an audioCD to blank CD? |
| 18:03.14 | starfishy | xcdroast |
| 18:03.17 | kryl | eeyore-, the marvell work fine :) |
| 18:03.23 | starfishy | stereoskit: xcdroast |
| 18:03.25 | applejax33 | is there a raid cli |
| 18:03.26 | kryl | there is no problem from this side |
| 18:03.33 | AciD | !libqt3-dev |
| 18:03.52 | eeyore- | kryl: so keep using the marvell then |
| 18:04.01 | nukeu666 | any way force a route between 2 computers? |
| 18:04.01 | kryl | ok but I need to use the 2 nic :) |
| 18:04.10 | StereoSkit | puts, xcdroast is just too complicate, plus its seems its needed to cdrom drives to do the copy |
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| 18:04.35 | Amarande | ahh, audio :/ |
| 18:04.38 | StereoSkit | *its needed another another cdrom drive |
| 18:04.41 | Amarande | I was going to say, if it was data |
| 18:04.47 | StereoSkit | no no, audio |
| 18:04.54 | nukeu666 | streokit:what about commandline burning after making iso of 1st? |
| 18:04.55 | starfishy | stereoskit: why not just install k3b from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org? |
| 18:04.55 | Amarande | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso |
| 18:05.01 | Amarande | but I don't think there's something like that for audio |
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| 18:05.09 | eeyore- | kryl: *maybe* you can try the forcedeth driver. the comments mention nforce2/nforce3, but maybe 4 is close enough. who knows. |
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| 18:05.28 | kryl | I'm testing . |
| 18:05.28 | StereoSkit | alioth~, lets see |
| 18:05.30 | eeyore- | kryl: it'll probably work ... |
| 18:05.32 | kryl | one minute pls |
| 18:05.33 | Amarande | kryl: be careful with it |
| 18:05.42 | kryl | why? |
| 18:05.43 | Amarande | I'm told that nForce drivers get buggy on newer nForce chips than they are designed for |
| 18:05.44 | eeyore- | kryl: i have forcedeth driving my SFF nforce4 |
| 18:05.50 | Amarande | like the infamous IDE driver debacle on Windows |
| 18:06.02 | Amarande | apparently if you have an NF4 you MUST NOT install the nForce special IDE driver |
| 18:06.18 | Amarande | that works fine with nForce2, apparently, but will freeze the system hard very regularly on nF3 or nF4 |
| 18:06.19 | kryl | oups :-( |
| 18:06.25 | eeyore- | kryl: the SFF is a .... iwill .... but i need later kernels since the forcedeth driver has undergone some changes, and otherwise would not detect the chip (not coded for the particular vendor-id:device-id) |
| 18:06.29 | _rene_ | you must not install nvidias crap anyway |
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| 18:06.42 | _rene_ | if you want a sane, working system :) |
| 18:06.44 | Amarande | of course, by the time I figured this out, I had already spent an extra $100 on a new video card (when my ATI X1600 was just fine hardwarewise) and settled into Linux |
| 18:06.53 | starfishy | amarande: weird. I run an nforce4 SLI board and the IDE driver, albeit not for my main disks |
| 18:07.00 | eeyore- | kryl: but otherwise it 'works for me' and i use gentoo, so i use the network *quite* a bit |
| 18:07.02 | Amarande | I don't think I'm even going to try reinstalling XP until after a few months, so I don't have to talk to Microsoft on the phone again |
| 18:07.05 | starfishy | seems to work ok, the system has been up since early january |
| 18:07.12 | Amarande | I hate being given the third degree like they do when you call to activate Windows :P |
| 18:07.21 | starfishy | yeah |
| 18:07.33 | kryl | eeyore-, I'll test it ... |
| 18:07.40 | Amarande | and apparently it's either 120 or 180 days since last activation before you can activate over the Internet again |
| 18:07.49 | Amarande | which is it? I could swear it's 120, but some have said 180 |
| 18:07.50 | tyranix | StereoSkit: Use cdrdao. http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html under "Copy audio CD DAO with one CD drive". |
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| 18:08.06 | tombs | hi all |
| 18:08.10 | eeyore- | XP? talk to microsoft? why? |
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| 18:08.21 | eeyore- | oh, right, no VLK |
| 18:08.24 | starfishy | eeyore: because not everyone can afford a hacked copy |
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| 18:08.32 | elirips | hello. is there a tool that can create an iso out of a cd? maybe for KDE and available in Sarge? |
| 18:08.42 | starfishy | i used to run XP for my business accounting system and a hacked copy is just not an option |
| 18:08.42 | Amarande | yeah, sometimes I've thought of buying a 5-computer volume license just so I don't have to do the activation crap anymore |
| 18:08.45 | StereoSkit | tyranix: tnx, seems better |
| 18:08.45 | abrotman | mkisofs ? dd ? |
| 18:08.48 | Amarande | but that would be something like $1000 |
| 18:08.53 | Amarande | and there's only 2 computers in this house anyway |
| 18:09.07 | Amarande | and I'm not entirely sure how you go about ordering one, either |
| 18:09.08 | DevilChaos | hi have a quick question im on the debian help page for shorewall config in the rules paragraph it stipulates an ip to accept im wondering if this is the debian site? ACCEPT net:216.162.217.194 fw tcp munin? |
| 18:09.09 | starfishy | amarande: i just put XP in a virtual machine for the 5 times a year i need it |
| 18:09.21 | Amarande | starfishy: vmware? |
| 18:09.22 | vosti | elirips, mkisofs? |
| 18:09.23 | starfishy | hardware never changes, can be transferred from computer to computer |
| 18:09.28 | starfishy | amarande: yes |
| 18:09.28 | eeyore- | next time you go to corporate office, take a peek at someone's Dell desktop :-)))))))) |
| 18:09.46 | starfishy | linux is the host, xp the guest OS |
| 18:09.48 | elirips | vosti: thank you, i just found k3b, which looks exactly what i need |
| 18:09.48 | Amarande | starfishy: does XP need an actual partition to install in vmware? |
| 18:09.55 | Amarande | also, will it eat my MBR if I try that? |
| 18:10.00 | starfishy | no |
| 18:10.09 | starfishy | its not even recommended to use a partition |
| 18:10.10 | DevilChaos | microsoft sucks ass |
| 18:10.12 | vosti | elirips, ah, you need to burn cd...k3b it's what you need, :) |
| 18:10.27 | starfishy | i just preallocate the file that will contain the XP filesystem and run xp from in there |
| 18:10.30 | eeyore- | starfishy: linux will do just fine in actual partition + vmware |
| 18:10.31 | Amarande | of course, explaining to MS activation that I installed XP in vmware could be a bit annoying |
| 18:10.38 | elirips | vosti: i dont need to burn right now. but i need to create nice .iso-files out of cds. |
| 18:10.39 | starfishy | its not great for fragging |
| 18:10.44 | eeyore- | windows is another story. when you switch from virtual to bare-metal, windows gets unhappy |
| 18:10.48 | elirips | vosti: (but i will need to burn later) |
| 18:11.02 | starfishy | eeyore: but why would you want to do that? |
| 18:11.07 | Amarande | well, the main thing is I don't have unpartitioned space, so I'd have to go with a file |
| 18:11.14 | vosti | elirips, ah ok...so you can just write to file with k3b |
| 18:11.16 | starfishy | it works well from a virtual disk |
| 18:11.16 | eeyore- | starfishy: do what? switch linux between virtual and bare metal? |
| 18:11.25 | starfishy | well, as well as XP ever runs |
| 18:11.41 | starfishy | i mean why would you want to run the VM from an actual partition as opposed to a file? |
| 18:11.56 | DevilChaos | eeyore: do you know the ip that ftp.debian uses? |
| 18:12.01 | Amarande | elirips: it's dirt easy to make an ISO from a CD in Linux |
| 18:12.01 | eeyore- | starfishy: oh run XP in vmware? nah. i've got a hardware that works nice with XP. i'll do linux in vmware, and for more performance i'll boot into linux, so this way it's flexible |
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| 18:12.08 | Amarande | just dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo |
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| 18:12.26 | starfishy | for me its the other way round |
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| 18:12.43 | starfishy | XP is a huge PITA and much too unreliable and vulnerable to be my everyday OS |
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| 18:12.55 | elirips | Amarande: if you know how to do it most things are rather easy ;) |
| 18:12.56 | starfishy | for the handful of times I really need it it lives happily inside the VM |
| 18:13.01 | Amarande | also, will XP being run in vmware pass a Windows Genuine Advantage check? |
| 18:13.02 | ronin | starfishy: *cough* job security |
| 18:13.07 | eeyore- | starfishy: well, the desktop that i'm doing this on is my main "work" workstation, and so it has all kinds of shit in it that i need :-p for home i can hardly care less :-) |
| 18:13.32 | eeyore- | Amarande: why shouldn't it? |
| 18:13.34 | starfishy | ronin: why would the availability of XP influence the job security of a Linux engineer? |
| 18:13.45 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 18:13.54 | starfishy | my work workstation runs Debian just like my home workstation |
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| 18:13.55 | starfishy | :) |
| 18:13.59 | eeyore- | starfishy: don't you want to be the all-around guy? |
| 18:14.05 | ronin | not for that but for folks like us |
| 18:14.22 | eeyore- | ronin: yeah. you-name-it-we-do-it folks, right? |
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| 18:14.43 | starfishy | eeyore: i know enough of windows to run circles around a lot of pure windows admins |
| 18:15.09 | starfishy | if i should need more knowledge Ill acquire it quickly, but right now i dont need it |
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| 18:15.39 | DevilChaos | hi have a quick question im on the debian help page for shorewall config in the rules paragraph it stipulates an ip to accept im wondering if this is the debian site? ACCEPT net:216.162.217.194 fw tcp munin? |
| 18:15.43 | DevilChaos | oops |
| 18:15.47 | starfishy | having an XP box sitting around just to play with system upgrades and stuff is kinda useless |
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| 18:16.26 | Amarande | I might give Vista a go when it comes out |
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| 18:16.34 | Amarande | assuming it will work properly with earlier apps |
| 18:17.46 | Gathond | Amarande: I dont think they can |
| 18:17.47 | DevilChaos | i cant believe it that ip takes me to a picture of birds |
| 18:17.51 | DevilChaos | :( |
| 18:18.10 | DevilChaos | doh |
| 18:18.21 | starfishy | of course ill try vista, just to see what its like. |
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| 18:18.44 | starfishy | with the way things are currently going with Linux i dont anticipate taking a job as MCSE anytime soon though |
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| 18:18.59 | Amarande | yeah, and I'm pretty sure that Orwellesque locked-down monitored computer world that some pundits predict is the future is mostly FUD |
| 18:19.12 | starfishy | not to mention that i am much too lazy to learn a 1500 page book by rote just to pass their ridiculous test |
| 18:19.33 | Amarande | since even Microsoft indicates that the new security components aren't going to affect legacy apps, other than their being possibly unable to interact with certain data from new stuff |
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| 18:19.37 | jjazz | Amarande: It's only FUD if our side wins. |
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| 18:19.53 | kryl | ok let's go ;) thanks all |
| 18:19.58 | Amarande | (and when is that really a new thing, anyway? apps obsolescing due to inability to support new file formats has always been part of the computer world) |
| 18:20.07 | starfishy | i think in the future there will be two kinds of computer users: the ones who buy from mickeysoft and apple and are stripped of the last shreds of privacy |
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| 18:21.11 | starfishy | and the ones running any open source os and are pretty much ignored by the big dogs because the big dogs finally will see that beating someone into submission doesnt work as a business model |
| 18:21.53 | starfishy | otoh, look at the latest riaa case, they sued someone who doesnt even own a computer |
| 18:22.02 | starfishy | almost makes one want to start filesharing ;) |
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| 18:22.09 | stew | i predict that anyone who tries to predict the future will be largely wrong |
| 18:22.14 | stew | but then again i might be wrong |
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| 18:22.41 | andoba | how to go spanish channel¿? |
| 18:22.48 | starfishy | !es |
| 18:22.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:22.49 | stew | andoba: /join #debian-es |
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| 18:22.55 | andoba | thx |
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| 18:23.00 | Amarande | actually, some of the pundits even say trusted computing can hurt the big dogs, too |
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| 18:23.25 | starfishy | the problem is the stupidity of the masses |
| 18:23.25 | kryl | ok it seems to run with forcedeth ... |
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| 18:23.51 | Amarande | criminals could use the 'keys self destruct after X days' feature to make it impossible for law enforcement to read important evidence |
| 18:23.52 | kryl | but I use this kernel : 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 |
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| 18:24.04 | starfishy | if people werent too lazy to boycott companies that dont maintain a reasonably customer friendly attitude Mickeysoft wouldnt even exist any more |
| 18:24.05 | smagy2 | hello folks, is there a env variable i can set for sources to overrule /etc/apt/sources.list ? something like export newhost="url"; apt-get install package |
| 18:24.21 | Amarande | and by the time a case actually gets to trial, forget it, Exhibit A is just a bunch of encrypted bytes that can't ever be accessed again, and the worst they'll be able to prosecute for is destruction of evidence |
| 18:24.29 | starfishy | amarande: criminals already are good at protecting what they are doing |
| 18:24.40 | starfishy | especially the profit oriented ones |
| 18:24.46 | Lee__ | smagy2, you can add your new URL to sources.list |
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| 18:25.02 | starfishy | all the attempts to 'fight crime' by intruding into people's privacy catch only the little fish if that |
| 18:25.28 | starfishy | or do you really think the big criminals communicate by unencoded email? |
| 18:25.34 | mrverbose | hmm, i wonder why qbankmanager is suddenly in testing |
| 18:25.39 | smagy2 | Lee__: yeah that is the usual behaviour, but during running of a script based on condition, i would like to install from a different mirror . mirrors are internal |
| 18:25.41 | mrverbose | or if it really is |
| 18:25.49 | Amarande | starfishy: the difference is that with current technology there's still in theory a way that that email can be cracked |
| 18:25.57 | mrverbose | as of today i was able to install it, can somebody verify that ? |
| 18:26.07 | starfishy | and by encoded i dont mean crypted but encoded in a way that even a reasonably interested law enforcement agent would never suspect that its code at all |
| 18:26.07 | Amarande | with the new 'secure' tech, the encryption keys would be destroyed at hardware level, and there'd be no way at all to read their communications |
| 18:26.22 | Amarande | which in many cases (insider trading, conspiracies etc.) could = no case |
| 18:26.26 | starfishy | amarande: decrypting code only works if you suspect its a code in the first place |
| 18:26.51 | starfishy | steganography |
| 18:27.01 | stew | smagy2: you can specify an alternate sources.list on the command line |
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| 18:27.20 | stew | smagy2: with the Dir::Etc::SourceList option |
| 18:27.23 | DaBlade | Hello. Every time after apt-get handles a Gnome or KDE app, I get this output at the end. I don't know what it means. Anyone mind helping? |
| 18:27.25 | starfishy | today billions of pictures are sent across the net every day, checking even a fraction of them for possible hidden info is impossible |
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| 18:27.31 | DaBlade | ** (process:16569): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 18:27.57 | smagy2 | stew: okay, will look into it |
| 18:28.04 | DaBlade | Hello? Can anyone give me a hand? |
| 18:28.06 | Amarande | actually, we should be sending all those criminals-get-away-with-it scenarios to our Congresspeople |
| 18:28.21 | Amarande | We could possibly use the War on Terror to save computing |
| 18:28.39 | Amarande | The GOP at this point doesn't want such scenarios to happen, so there's a good chance they might ban such tight security |
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| 18:28.45 | stew | Amarande: /join #politics |
| 18:29.21 | stew | DaBlade: if you have a specific question, just go ahead and ask |
| 18:30.10 | stew | DaBlade: oh i missed your previous question, please provide us with the actual output, use a pastebin |
| 18:30.13 | DaBlade | stew: I already asked. |
| 18:30.24 | DaBlade | stew: I already gave the output |
| 18:30.25 | DaBlade | ** (process:16569): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 18:31.14 | DaBlade | the apt procedures seem to be successful, that output notwithstanding, but I'd like to know what it is never the less. |
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| 18:32.11 | DaBlade | stew: Any idea what it may be? |
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| 18:32.44 | starfishy | blade: i just did a quick search and found the advice to run update-desktop-database -v |
| 18:32.52 | starfishy | maybe its worth a try |
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| 18:33.17 | BucWheat | hi all |
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| 18:33.46 | dstar | I've got a dumb question: Does anyone know of a command line program that will word-wrap text files to a specific line width? I have this niggling feeling there should be one, but I can't find it. |
| 18:34.23 | DaBlade | starfishy: Tried it. It gave output on loads of icons, and also gave me a copy of that error again. |
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| 18:35.02 | starfishy | dablade: another entry suggested it might be mplayer |
| 18:35.09 | starfishy | do you have mplayer installed? |
| 18:35.13 | DaBlade | yeah |
| 18:35.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:35.14 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:35.20 | DaBlade | But what's mplayer got to do with korganizer? |
| 18:35.20 | tarzeau | yes i have mplayer installed |
| 18:35.26 | starfishy | maybe deinstall that, upgrade and reinstall it? |
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| 18:35.31 | DaBlade | or any other random KDE or gnome app |
| 18:35.35 | starfishy | i dont know, was just mentioned in a German forum |
| 18:35.46 | AKX | Hey, I just installed MySQL on Debian testing, and it crashes on startup. I get a two-point stack trace - how can I debug that under Deb? It's a signal 11, if that helps |
| 18:36.22 | BucWheat | i have a script to automatically login a user: user1 and the script has the following: cd /home/mla ; su - user1 -c startx |
| 18:36.28 | starfishy | strace -f <mysql-binary> |
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| 18:36.44 | AKX | starfishy, i'll try that |
| 18:36.51 | starfishy | check what happens immediately before the segfault |
| 18:36.55 | dstar | I guess I could just write one... |
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| 18:37.08 | BucWheat | after the script runs from /etc/rc2.d/ i get: X: user not authorized to run the X server aborting |
| 18:37.12 | BucWheat | how do i fix this? |
| 18:37.13 | starfishy | dont forget the -f, otherwise you wont see the child processes |
| 18:37.40 | starfishy | bucwheat: why not use a display manager? |
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| 18:37.58 | starfishy | both kdm and gdm have the option of auto logging in a user |
| 18:38.31 | abrotman | AKX: check the bts |
| 18:38.32 | Amarande | AKX: 11 is SIGSEGV |
| 18:38.44 | Amarande | AKX: run memtest, before you do anything else |
| 18:38.52 | BucWheat | starfishy trying to keep extra apps down to a minimum |
| 18:38.57 | Amarande | when you have seggies, it's best to rule out any RAM defects before trying to find bugs |
| 18:39.12 | Cyorxamp | So has anyone in here got a SB Live! card who could send me their copy of /var/lib/alsa/asound.state ???? |
| 18:39.14 | AKX | Amarande, virtual server, I don't think it's a RAM defect |
| 18:39.30 | Amarande | AKX: Linux is being run as a guest OS? |
| 18:39.38 | AKX | starfishy, lots and lots of stuff I can't really say I'd understand ;) |
| 18:39.40 | BucWheat | starfishy i believe there is a file i need to edit to allow X to be ran that way i forget which file though |
| 18:39.40 | AKX | Amarande, yeah |
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| 18:39.58 | Amarande | AKX: could be a bug in vmware or your host OS |
| 18:40.00 | AKX | 16m phys memory free, 262mb of swap free |
| 18:40.01 | Amarande | what's the host OS? |
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| 18:40.08 | AKX | no idea |
| 18:40.13 | AKX | it's a bought service |
| 18:40.34 | Amarande | it's possible a glitch in the host OS could be causing vmware to glitch in a way that affects the guest |
| 18:40.42 | AKX | i dont think it's vmware |
| 18:40.46 | Amarande | it's why you always for instance run XP under Linux, never Linux under XP |
| 18:40.54 | Amarande | just like you wouldn't put water into acid, only acid into water :) |
| 18:41.06 | BucWheat | starfishy and because i do not want kdm to even show at bootup |
| 18:41.10 | AKX | well... linux under xp works on my VMware perfectly |
| 18:41.13 | loggygreg | BucWheat: may be /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 18:41.13 | AKX | deb testing, that is |
| 18:41.18 | abrotman | dude .. go to #vmware |
| 18:41.22 | BucWheat | loggygreg let me try that |
| 18:41.31 | starfishy | bucwheat: kde can do that |
| 18:41.37 | AKX | but that's not the problem... shouldn't more swap be used in any case |
| 18:41.38 | starfishy | it wont show if you configure it to autologin |
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| 18:41.43 | abrotman | there's a whole channel full of people that use that (not-in-debian) application |
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| 18:41.48 | starfishy | and you dont have to edit any file to do that |
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| 18:42.00 | starfishy | i just did it for a friend a few days ago who had to have autologin |
| 18:42.27 | __doc__ | hi, any practical advice on how to get the oracle client connectivity binaries for debian? |
| 18:43.03 | BucWheat | rebooting now |
| 18:43.19 | mith | bleh, fucking retards that pushed that 1.3 security update for sudo should be shot |
| 18:43.40 | AKX | aight... well, so what about imap + exim4? how would i go about that? |
| 18:43.55 | rpt_ | apt-get install mozilla-mplayer requires mplayer > x.y.z But mplayer is not available through apt-get. I installed from source, but apt-get doesn't know that. How do I resolve this? |
| 18:44.09 | AKX | rpt_, apt-get -f install? to force it? |
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| 18:44.26 | BucWheat | loggygreg that did the trick. the file was indeed Xwrapper.config :) thanks man |
| 18:44.33 | BucWheat | starfishy thank you as well for your suggestion |
| 18:44.41 | Amarande | mith: why? insecure, or too secure? |
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| 18:46.14 | starfishy | bucwheat: yw |
| 18:46.21 | chaedaeX | i thought i solved the apt-keys issue a while ago, but recently I started getting the "Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security." warnings again. what is the way to resolve it again? |
| 18:46.42 | chaedaeX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.20 | chaedaeX | ah |
| 18:47.40 | chaedaeX | i would never have guessed that command on my own ;-) |
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| 18:49.01 | chaedaeX | hmm anyone know what port gpg uses? |
| 18:49.20 | bobw | can someone tell me how I can install JVM on my debian box the debian way? |
| 18:49.34 | jvw | !tell bobw about java-package |
| 18:49.40 | Amarande | port? |
| 18:49.44 | Amarande | I didn't think GPG used a port |
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| 18:50.01 | rpt_ | AKX I am sure I tried that, but retrying... |
| 18:50.06 | gobbles | how do i open a port on debian? |
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| 18:50.23 | bobw | jvw, thank you ill try that |
| 18:50.31 | jvw | bobw: you're welcome |
| 18:50.37 | chaedaeX | looks like its 41451 |
| 18:50.44 | Amarande | wait, what's port 943 for? |
| 18:50.52 | starfishy | secure imap iirc |
| 18:51.00 | gobbles | how do i open a port? |
| 18:51.05 | chaedaeX | look in /etc/services |
| 18:51.16 | jvw | gobbles: there is no default firewall in Debian, depends on what you installed |
| 18:51.21 | gobbles | ok well |
| 18:51.22 | jvw | gobbles: normally, any program can open any port |
| 18:51.46 | gobbles | i installed unreal and to listen on 6666 but it says "connection refused": when i try to connect, and yes the ircd has been launched |
| 18:51.58 | Amarande | when I run "netstat -a --protocol inet" I see this entry: "tcp 0 0 localhost.localdoma:943 *:* LISTEN |
| 18:51.58 | Amarande | " |
| 18:52.07 | Amarande | but fuser -n tcp 943 doesn't show anything |
| 18:52.26 | abrotman | imaps is 993 |
| 18:52.26 | jvw | Amarande: run with -p and as root, that will list the process having that port open |
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| 18:52.30 | starfishy | duh |
| 18:52.34 | starfishy | you are right of course |
| 18:53.08 | abrotman | Amarande: grep 943 /etc/services |
| 18:53.18 | Amarande | famd, apparently |
| 18:53.19 | rpt_ | AKX as I remembered.. even the -f results in a broken packages message. |
| 18:54.01 | gobbles | so anyone know why it wont listen |
| 18:54.35 | jvw | gobbles: netstat -tln|grep 6666 ? |
| 18:54.39 | Amarande | ahh, a security thing. |
| 18:55.01 | Amarande | I'd been looking for that sort of functionality for a while. :) |
| 18:55.13 | zinx | apt-cache has provided it since before aptitude existed :D |
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| 18:55.32 | gobbles | it gives me nothing jvw |
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| 18:55.57 | gobbles | i changed the listen to 7000 |
| 18:55.58 | gobbles | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:7000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 18:56.06 | Ungy | can I point grep to a samba folder share on windows and search for a string |
| 18:56.09 | Amarande | zinx: apt-cache showpkg foo doesn't seem to give the description |
| 18:56.15 | gobbles | still cant connect |
| 18:56.17 | Amarande | which is sometimes what I want, when I'm not entirely sure what foo actually is for |
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| 18:56.33 | Usiu | Hi when there will be apache 2.2 in debian ? |
| 18:56.44 | Amarande | I pulled in a lot of packages through tasksel, so there's a lot of pkgs that I have installed that I'm not sure of the function of |
| 18:57.02 | Amarande | well, not exactly tasksel but the aptitude task selector, which is mostly the same |
| 18:57.05 | jvw | gobbles: are you sure there's nothing else prohibiting connections? Can you ping eachother? |
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| 18:58.00 | dstar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:58.29 | gobbles | who should i ping, because yeah it works to ping |
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| 18:58.50 | Ungy | if I want to find the text "skill=PR" in all the files recursivly found in /home/brader/web/cache/cm/html how woudl I go about doing that with grep? |
| 18:59.21 | cisse | Ungy: use -R for recursion |
| 18:59.22 | blondie | Ungy: grep -R |
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| 18:59.56 | Amarande | speaking of which, I have a pretty interesting idea for a change to rm |
| 19:00.02 | Amarande | but unfortunately it would probably break too many scripts :/ |
| 19:00.05 | SKK1701J | My Keyboard is no longer loaded during boot. (gets no power) Someone has an idee to fix it? |
| 19:00.07 | cisse | what is it? |
| 19:00.13 | Amarande | replace -r with -R |
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| 19:00.24 | Ungy | blondie so grep -R -eskill=PR /home/brader/web/cache/cm/html/? |
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| 19:00.29 | SKK1701J | Without format and reinstall |
| 19:00.31 | Amarande | since you usually have to hit shift to get a capital R, it makes it harder to accidentally recursive delete things |
| 19:00.48 | Amarande | SKK: USB? |
| 19:00.54 | blondie | Ungy: grep -R "eskill=PR" /home/... |
| 19:00.55 | SKK1701J | PS2 keyboard |
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| 19:01.05 | SKK1701J | USB Mouse |
| 19:01.08 | Amarande | PS2 keyboard sounds like you need a new keyboard, probably |
| 19:01.10 | SKK1701J | Mouse works |
| 19:01.14 | SKK1701J | i use it |
| 19:01.18 | SKK1701J | under win |
| 19:01.22 | Ungy | blondie, thanks |
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| 19:01.31 | Amarande | if a PS/2 keyboard stops working either your motherboard keyboard port is bad, or more likely your keyboard is dead |
| 19:01.35 | smhar | hi all, I am using debian and it is detecting the buitin network port with the wrong IRQ, it seems, so how to pass the correct IRQ at the boot |
| 19:02.00 | SKK1701J | works fine. Keyboard of friend doesn t work too. I use the keyboard at the same pc on win |
| 19:02.06 | SKK1701J | so nothing is dead |
| 19:02.13 | blondie | ORLY |
| 19:02.18 | SKK1701J | keyboard shuts down during load |
| 19:02.20 | Amarande | smhar: I think you need to pass the appropriate parameters when loading the module |
| 19:02.31 | Amarande | SKK: does it happen in other OSes too? |
| 19:02.35 | Amarande | try booting a knoppix live disc |
| 19:02.36 | SKK1701J | no |
| 19:02.41 | SKK1701J | i don t know |
| 19:03.00 | Amarande | if it fails in other OSes/distros too, then you probably have a bad keyboard port, time to buy a new mobo |
| 19:03.03 | SKK1701J | if i use install disc i can use keyboard during installation |
| 19:03.12 | Amarande | hmm |
| 19:03.13 | beardy | SKK1701J: USB keyboard? |
| 19:03.14 | SKK1701J | but i don t want to override my system |
| 19:03.17 | gobbles | whats the suggested OS for unix noobs? |
| 19:03.18 | SKK1701J | PS2 |
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| 19:03.21 | Amarande | beardy: No, he said he had a PS/2 |
| 19:03.27 | Amarande | gobbles: I would recommend Debian |
| 19:03.32 | gobbles | ok ty |
| 19:03.34 | Amarande | at least from an ease of use standpoint |
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| 19:03.50 | loxley | gobbles: check the allow line of who can connect.. else look carefully in unrealircd.conf |
| 19:03.53 | Amarande | there's a few #debianites who would disagree with me, mainly because it increases the channel's support load |
| 19:03.54 | beardy | gobbles: Why did you come here if you don't know what Debian is? |
| 19:04.01 | Amarande | but from the pure standpoint of ease of use, Debian is pretty good |
| 19:04.04 | goron_ | Does find also support finding in the file contents? |
| 19:04.04 | smhar | Amarande, so to try I modprob -r e100 and then load it again with the alternative IRQ? |
| 19:04.12 | SKK1701J | i can use Ltools to work on my ext3 partion under win xp |
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| 19:04.26 | goron_ | (I skimmed the manpage, and I didn't really see it) |
| 19:04.30 | Amarande | especially, its package manager is more newbie friendly than, say, redhat's |
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| 19:04.48 | Amarande | since IMO apt does a lot more than most other package managers to keep you from breaking things |
| 19:04.52 | Ungy | blondie great that is what I had tried originally but nothign happened so I guess it wasn;t working turns out there was no results which is what I wanted I was expecting a 0 matches or somethign |
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| 19:05.31 | Amarande | and apt-get tries to fetch anything else you need when installing something, something RPM, to my knowledge, doesn't do |
| 19:05.41 | blondie | Ungy: oh no it doesn't do that :) |
| 19:05.56 | beardy | Amarande: Not only tries, it even does.. |
| 19:05.58 | Amarande | yes, I'd definitely recommend debian to new linux users. :) |
| 19:06.12 | Amarande | beardy: well, 'tries', based on the qualifier that such packages are available. :) |
| 19:06.28 | smhar | I love debian, I've been using it since sarge was testing.. but I think I will go Sid soon |
| 19:06.42 | Amarande | since on occasion dependencies get broken, especially in sid |
| 19:07.01 | beardy | Amarande: If they aren't available, what's the point in trying? In a healthy repository, all depended packages are there. |
| 19:07.08 | Amarande | and sometimes a free package can depend on a non-free one, and non-free isn't added to sources.list by default IIRC |
| 19:07.22 | beardy | Amarande: Sid is no option for a newbie. |
| 19:07.35 | Amarande | yeah, I think non-free is the main source of dependency breaking for a newbie |
| 19:07.46 | Amarande | since, like I said, I seem to recall that sources.list doesn't add non-free by default |
| 19:07.52 | beardy | Amarande: Those packages are in contrib, which isn't added by default either. |
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| 19:08.33 | smhar | Amarande, but from what I read from other people's experience, Sid problems; ie, brocken dependancies are solve quicker than testing |
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| 19:09.04 | Amarande | I haven't seen a broken dependency in etch yet, but I'm sure it's probably possible |
| 19:09.07 | starfishy | beardy: sid is a work in progress, of course sometimes packages are going to be missing or such |
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| 19:09.24 | beardy | gobbles: Do you have broadband? |
| 19:09.45 | beardy | starfishy: Yes? I said "in a healthy repository". |
| 19:09.45 | Amarande | -That- is a more worrying thing, because some newer computers don't like sarge very much |
| 19:09.51 | PupenoL | When I turn on the computer, tun6 is not 'bringed' up automatically, it is a 6to4 link, it is on auto, any ideas ? |
| 19:10.04 | Amarande | I know I had to come off about a 5-6 year break from Linux right into etch |
| 19:10.23 | PupenoL | if I do ifup tun6 it starts. |
| 19:10.28 | deckrider | hi, I was thinking there was something I could do on debian/stable to see all the output during boot placed into a log file, but I can't remember where I saw this information, can anyone give me a clue please? |
| 19:10.28 | sett | anyone managed to install kde lipstik style under debian sarge? |
| 19:10.41 | starfishy | beardy: whats unhealthy about a work in progress? |
| 19:10.45 | Amarande | PupenoL: check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:10.47 | stew | PupenoL: add a "auto tun6" line to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:10.55 | Amarande | do you have an "auto tun6" line? |
| 19:10.59 | PupenoL | Amarande: what should I check for ? |
| 19:11.02 | PupenoL | Amarande: yes. |
| 19:11.09 | PupenoL | stew: I alrady have that line. |
| 19:11.12 | Amarande | hmm |
| 19:11.15 | Amarande | does tun6 require a kernel module? |
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| 19:11.40 | dstar | wth? What's the max # of arguments for /usr/bin/[? |
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| 19:11.49 | Ungy | blondie thanks for the information and yeah it's good to know it doesn't do anything if no match though |
| 19:12.03 | dstar | Cause [ -z $1 -o -z $2 -o -z $3 -o -z $4 -o -z $5 ] is giving me an error... |
| 19:12.06 | Amarande | speaking of which, exactly how does IPv6 tunnelling work in a practical sense? |
| 19:12.09 | beardy | starfishy: unhealthy as in "broken" |
| 19:12.11 | PupenoL | Amarande: might be. |
| 19:12.21 | Amarande | like, do you have to pay for service with some server that provides the other end of the tunnel? |
| 19:12.24 | PupenoL | Amarande: I am not sure, but it works. |
| 19:12.42 | PupenoL | Amarande: no, 6to4 tunnels works just by having a public ipv4 |
| 19:12.50 | starfishy | so ... a repository is broken if a single package is missing? |
| 19:12.57 | starfishy | interesting definition |
| 19:12.59 | smhar | so someone please tell me how to specify an IRQ for a network card driver |
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| 19:13.01 | Amarande | and does it work correctly if your machine is behind NAT? |
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| 19:13.13 | beardy | starfishy: I didn't say that. Read the scrollback. |
| 19:13.54 | starfishy | well, im not going to debate that any further |
| 19:14.21 | PupenoL | Amarande: no, 6to4 doesn't work behind NAT, for that you need a provider like Freenet6 or a system like Teredo. |
| 19:14.24 | beardy | starfishy: Me neither. |
| 19:14.51 | dstar | wth? Even [ -z $1 -o -z $2 ] gets 'too many arguments' |
| 19:15.00 | PupenoL | Amarande: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 19:15.16 | beardy | gobbles: What kind of internet connection do you have? |
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| 19:15.42 | PupenoL | bringing up tun6 requires a series of modules (ipv6 at least), might that be the problem ? |
| 19:15.57 | stew | PupenoL: make sure those modules are listed in /etc/modules |
| 19:16.14 | PupenoL | stew: thanks. |
| 19:16.41 | stew | PupenoL: do you have the "auto" lines out of order maybe? like is it trying to bring up tun6 before the other interfaces that need to be up? |
| 19:16.53 | PupenoL | stew: no. |
| 19:17.08 | PupenoL | stew: ipv6 wasn't on /etc/modules, I'll try with that. |
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| 19:18.11 | MQDuck | can anybody help me figure out which agp chipset i need to compile support for? |
| 19:19.11 | PupenoL | stew: that was it, it worked, thanks. |
| 19:19.37 | MQDuck | it there some big list of mobos and corresponding chipsets somewhere? |
| 19:19.39 | beardy | MQDuck: The one you have. |
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| 19:19.48 | beardy | !wayc MQDuck |
| 19:19.48 | dpkg | MQDuck: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 19:20.12 | stew | MQDuck: "lspci | grep AGP" |
| 19:20.16 | Dackel | does anybody use submount? |
| 19:20.30 | beardy | Dackel: Ask a real question instead. |
| 19:20.55 | cire | I tried to install debian with current testing CD1, but after loading CDROM drivers, it says: no kernel modules found. I also tried an older (2 weeks) image -> same problem. |
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| 19:21.10 | MQDuck | stew: that just seems to tell me what kind of agp card i have. is the agp chipset not part of the motherboard? |
| 19:21.57 | Dackel | how does is the fstab-insert for a USB harddrive with submount? |
| 19:21.58 | PupenoL | cire: intel motherboard ? sata HD ? |
| 19:21.59 | MQDuck | stew: no, im stupid |
| 19:22.03 | stew | MQDuck: it is part of the motherboard, that tells you the chipset driving the pci->agp bridge |
| 19:22.10 | Dackel | sry for my bad english |
| 19:22.16 | MQDuck | stew: i was going grep VGA for some reason |
| 19:22.18 | beardy | MQDuck: There is only one agp module, and if you have to use the non-free nvidia driver, it has it's own, that you optionally can use. |
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| 19:22.35 | MQDuck | thanks, im fine now |
| 19:22.37 | cire | err don't know the chipset, but no SATA |
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| 19:22.58 | LinoH | how can i install java on konqueror? |
| 19:23.04 | LinoH | does somebody know? |
| 19:23.04 | cire | But it's a compact flash card attached to the ide port, instead of the harddisk |
| 19:24.18 | beardy | !tell LinoH -about install java |
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| 19:24.38 | MQDuck | well, wait... so i know the chipset, but theres no driver that claims to support it (VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133 (TM)) |
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| 19:25.26 | goron_ | Does find also support finding in the file contents? Or is grep the only thing which does that? |
| 19:26.33 | beardy | MQDuck: AFAIK there is only one module, it's called agpgart. |
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| 19:27.28 | beardy | MQDuck: You don't actually need it to be able to use your graphics card though, only for accelerated graphics. |
| 19:27.53 | stew | MQDuck: do you have any debian kernels installed? |
| 19:28.27 | cire | Does anybody know, why my installer cannot find the kernel modules? (kernel modules not found). I just don't know what this messages wants to tell me... Does the image have errors? |
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| 19:28.34 | MQDuck | beardy: theres various chipsets under agpgart you can select. and i _want_ accelerated graphics ;) |
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| 19:28.48 | MQDuck | stew: yea... |
| 19:29.00 | stew | MQDuck: its most likely the via_agp module, here's how you check: |
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| 19:30.37 | beardy | MQDuck: Ah, yes.. A while since I compiled a kernel, and even longer since I had to choose the agp module, sorry for my misinformation. |
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| 19:30.59 | abrotman | i thought there was one agpgart ... but many drm/dri |
| 19:31.04 | moor | LOL http://tinylink.com/?zoMVr2zDpq |
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| 19:31.10 | moor | LOL http://tinylink.com/?zoMVr2zDpq |
| 19:31.15 | stew | lspci -n | awk '/0600/{print $3}', that will give you something like 1106:3189, then run grep "1106.*3189" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
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| 19:31.32 | sett | is here anyone in debian sarge and using kde? have u tried to install baghira or lipstik theme? |
| 19:31.34 | beardy | abrotman: I don't actually remember clearly.. I also thought there was only one. |
| 19:31.44 | moor | LOL http://tinylink.com/?zoMVr2zDpq |
| 19:31.45 | moor | LOL http://tinylink.com/?zoMVr2zDpq |
| 19:31.53 | beardy | moor: Stop that. |
| 19:31.58 | bobw | whats the command to show me what packages are in the Debian Installer "Web Server" category? |
| 19:32.05 | abrotman | moor: screw off and die |
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| 19:32.42 | beardy | bobw: Check the "task" package in aptitude, tasksel also shows you which packages are included. |
| 19:33.01 | bobw | moor, that was sick |
| 19:33.11 | abrotman | you were silly enough to click it |
| 19:33.12 | moor | lol |
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| 19:33.13 | moor | lol |
| 19:33.14 | bobw | beardy, tasksel,thats the package |
| 19:33.23 | moor | LOL http://tinylink.com/?zoMVr2zDpq |
| 19:33.28 | abrotman | !ops moor |
| 19:33.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: moor |
| 19:33.29 | stew | !ops moor spamming |
| 19:33.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: moor spamming |
| 19:33.35 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 19:33.45 | stew | happy friday! |
| 19:33.46 | moor | lol |
| 19:33.47 | beardy | bobw: tasksel is the program you run when selecting tasks, it's used by the installer. |
| 19:33.54 | moor | lol |
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| 19:34.08 | abrotman | !afo |
| 19:34.08 | dpkg | anyone for ops! |
| 19:34.15 | beardy | stew: To you too.. |
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| 19:34.48 | bobw | abrotman, whats !afo |
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| 19:41.16 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:41.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:42.07 | eeyore- | what did moor do? |
| 19:42.16 | eeyore- | bit late :-) |
| 19:42.20 | abrotman | tinyurl crap |
| 19:42.29 | eeyore- | what's wrong with that? |
| 19:42.29 | blondie | !mew |
| 19:42.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mew is and email client for emacsen |
| 19:42.30 | abrotman | ask bobw .. only person to click the link |
| 19:42.33 | blondie | :\ |
| 19:42.35 | eeyore- | does it link to tubgirl or something? |
| 19:42.41 | abrotman | eeyore-: click and see! |
| 19:42.51 | eeyore- | abrotman: is it safe for work? |
| 19:42.58 | abrotman | depends on your work i suppose ;) |
| 19:43.03 | abrotman | i have no idea what it is |
| 19:43.42 | bobw | lol |
| 19:43.54 | bobw | definately only safe for work if your screen is facing the wall!! |
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| 19:44.04 | eeyore- | i *have* to get this toy http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/02/target-your-co-workers-with-usb-air-darts/ |
| 19:44.04 | vin` | eeyore-: turn down the volume too. |
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| 19:44.05 | bobw | it's a sick bunch of hardcore porn |
| 19:44.07 | bobw | stay away |
| 19:44.10 | kingsley | VMWARE will evidently start giving away low end software, which looks good to me. |
| 19:44.26 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's so last month! |
| 19:44.31 | Amarande | kingsley: as in good enough to do a basic "XP under Linux" thing? |
| 19:44.33 | abrotman | kingsley: could you please regurgitate more slashdot ? |
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| 19:44.39 | sandman | How stable is reiser4 these days? |
| 19:44.41 | jade | any utility to tell me the load on the bandwidth, or display a real-time meter that represents the lag time? |
| 19:44.49 | abrotman | sandman: was reiserfs .. *ever* stable ? |
| 19:44.51 | S4nD3r | this debian is crazy |
| 19:44.57 | S4nD3r | when installs mysql |
| 19:45.02 | abrotman | jade: what irc client ? |
| 19:45.08 | S4nD3r | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 19:45.13 | bobw | jade, iptraf will show this information under interface statistics |
| 19:45.14 | S4nD3r | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysq ld.sock' (2)' |
| 19:45.19 | S4nD3r | I dont know how solve it |
| 19:45.23 | loggygreg | sandman: relatively stable |
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| 19:45.26 | kingsley | Amarande: That's a good question, to which I don't have a definitive answer. Having said that, my guess is yes. |
| 19:45.30 | kaner | S4nD3r: mysqld running? |
| 19:45.47 | S4nD3r | when I try to start |
| 19:45.49 | S4nD3r | I get it ! |
| 19:45.51 | eeyore- | and *this one* is for when i have to reboot linux, http://livedoorshop.depart.livedoor.com/item_detail?id=346274 |
| 19:46.12 | kaner | S4nD3r: did you run mysqld-save? |
| 19:46.12 | stew | S4nD3r: try running mysqld from the command line and see what errors you get |
| 19:46.24 | abrotman | eeyore-: but it's 3,990 of something |
| 19:46.26 | S4nD3r | I got it |
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| 19:46.51 | S4nD3r | running mysqld_safe |
| 19:46.53 | eeyore- | oh man ... super 10-function usb vibrator ... |
| 19:46.56 | S4nD3r | All good! |
| 19:47.01 | kaner | S4nD3r: . |
| 19:47.02 | eeyore- | abrotman: shift right two decimal places for USD equiv |
| 19:47.11 | S4nD3r | mysqld_safe[11914]: ended |
| 19:47.40 | S4nD3r | theres no mysqld.pid |
| 19:47.47 | kaner | check why |
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| 19:47.58 | abrotman | eeyore-: http://www.hellocat78.1hwy.com/ .. mildly work safe .. unless your mother is behind you |
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| 19:48.15 | S4nD3r | There is nothin in /var/run/mysqld/ |
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| 19:48.53 | kaner | S4nD3r: increase debug, level, echck logs |
| 19:49.05 | kaner | s,echck,check |
| 19:49.10 | stew | S4nD3r: did you try running mysqld? |
| 19:49.17 | Amarande | heh, what's that red button do, and what sort of interface does it use? |
| 19:49.44 | S4nD3r | Yes !! |
| 19:49.47 | S4nD3r | I tried... |
| 19:49.53 | S4nD3r | I m installing 4.1 now ! |
| 19:49.57 | Amarande | speaking of rebooting, is there any practical difference between "shutdown -r now" and "telinit 6"? |
| 19:50.10 | stew | S4nD3r: (i'm not talking about _safe) |
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| 19:50.22 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 19:50.24 | S4nD3r | I tried |
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| 19:50.56 | jade | is there any utility like iptraf that will run in an X/gtk2/UI window? |
| 19:51.20 | kaner | jade: xterm -c iptraf *g* |
| 19:51.21 | S4nD3r | May I have server and client running in the same machine ???? |
| 19:51.23 | stew | jade: gnome-terminal -e iptraf |
| 19:51.25 | Anthro | [slightly OT] Is there an easy way to tell mutt on the commandline that I don't want this particular email I'm sending to be saved in an FCC? This is particularly for something like mutt -e "no fcc please" -s "Directions" mycellphone < directions_to_restaurant |
| 19:51.30 | S4nD3r | At home, in windows I have !! |
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| 19:51.41 | S4nD3r | I dont know why isnt working in linux box |
| 19:51.58 | Anthro | S4nD3r: client and server what? |
| 19:52.01 | abrotman | check the bts ? |
| 19:52.02 | S4nD3r | msyql |
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| 19:52.06 | abrotman | or use a real database |
| 19:52.09 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Yes, of course. |
| 19:52.31 | Fujoor | ive asked a couple of times here, but nobody gives me a straight answer, how do i switch from debian stable (the iso version) to debian unstable? |
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| 19:52.38 | S4nD3r | Was easier to setup this on in my windows box.... eheheheh |
| 19:52.43 | S4nD3r | But I prefer linux... |
| 19:52.45 | abrotman | Fujoor: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
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| 19:52.59 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 19:52.59 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 19:53.04 | Fujoor | abrotman: thats the exact answer you gave me last time, how will i never know when people act like that |
| 19:53.04 | eeyore- | S4nD3r: you're not a linux guy, eh? |
| 19:53.09 | kaner | Fujoor: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed -e 's/stable/unstable/' > /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:53.14 | abrotman | Fujoor: when you don't have ask |
| 19:53.17 | S4nD3r | Im ! |
| 19:53.18 | abrotman | kaner: DON"T DO THAT |
| 19:53.26 | Anthro | Fujoor: You change your /etc/apt/sources.list, and if that isn't enough information then you don't know enough to deal with it. |
| 19:53.31 | abrotman | kaner: you are now his personal support monkey |
| 19:53.32 | S4nD3r | Ive used linux since 2003 |
| 19:53.37 | kaner | abrotman: give the man the disaster he longs for |
| 19:53.38 | Fujoor | thanks kaner |
| 19:53.38 | S4nD3r | but only at workplace |
| 19:53.44 | tarzeau | kaner: that's one cat too much |
| 19:53.48 | coreid | hi folks I am having problems with a radeon pro 9200 with xserver-xorg 6.9.x on unstable, anyone know about these problems ? |
| 19:53.50 | abrotman | kaner: you won't be around when it breaks ... don't fucking do that .. |
| 19:53.51 | Fujoor | abrotman: i just wanted to know what to change in the sources.list |
| 19:53.52 | tarzeau | kaner: and sed can do -i ? |
| 19:53.53 | Anthro | kaner: That wouldn't work in any case. |
| 19:54.05 | abrotman | Fujoor: please find kaner to fix your broken machine |
| 19:54.08 | Amarande | coreid: could be any of a number of things |
| 19:54.10 | cisse | coreid: i had problems with 6.9.2 on my radeon so i downgraded to 6.8 and it owrks fine |
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| 19:54.17 | eeyore- | S4nD3r: right, which probably means somebody set it up and maintained it for you :-) ok, what's wrong with mysql in your situation? |
| 19:54.18 | Amarande | one, you're running sid, and sid is never guaranteed to be perfect |
| 19:54.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:54.22 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
| 19:54.26 | coreid | how do you downgrade ? |
| 19:54.30 | tarzeau | Amarande: it sure is better than testing |
| 19:54.34 | Amarande | two, ATI cards are known to be flaky (take this from someone who learned this the hard way and now has a $130 piece of hardware sitting on a shelf) |
| 19:54.35 | tarzeau | coreid: you don't |
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| 19:54.39 | Anthro | coreid: Not supported. |
| 19:54.43 | Amarande | sid actually runs -better- than etch? |
| 19:54.46 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 19:54.46 | dpkg | debstats is probably managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 19:54.48 | tarzeau | Amarande: for sure, yes |
| 19:54.49 | Fujoor | abrotman: relax, im just experimenting to learn :) |
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| 19:54.57 | Anthro | Amarande: Not in my experience. I'm doing fine with etch. |
| 19:54.59 | kaner | Fujoor: dont come crying here after the upgrade |
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| 19:55.02 | abrotman | Fujoor: and then it will break .. and you're going to come back here and whine |
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| 19:55.14 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 19:55.14 | dpkg | methinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 19:55.16 | Ungy | !beer abrotman |
| 19:55.20 | tarzeau | !factinfo debstats |
| 19:55.20 | dpkg | debstats -- created by Penix <jrac@ipv6-penix.tsps1.freenet6.net> at Wed Nov 13 13:35:18 2002 (1178 days); last modified at Sun Mar 30 12:48:40 2003 by troubled!foobar@d150-236-146.home.cgocable.net; it has been requested 257 times, last by tarzeau at Tue Nov 29 07:19:59 2005. |
| 19:55.31 | Ungy | Later abrotman have a good weekend |
| 19:55.32 | abrotman | hi Ungy |
| 19:55.35 | abrotman | bye Ungy |
| 19:55.37 | kaner | abrotman: you are probably right |
| 19:55.39 | Amarande | reminds me, I need to buy some more Stella soon |
| 19:55.41 | Ungy | peace abrotman |
| 19:55.47 | Amarande | possibly tomorrow, since I can't buy beer on Sunday in Connecticut |
| 19:56.05 | abrotman | puritans! |
| 19:56.06 | Ungy | Stell Artois? |
| 19:56.14 | Amarande | Ungy: Yah. |
| 19:56.14 | abrotman | stella artois |
| 19:56.20 | MB350 | no beer on sunday?? Better stock up on saturday |
| 19:56.25 | Amarande | Speaking of which, the local store has gotten EXPENSIVE with Stella, too. |
| 19:56.32 | Amarande | 8.49 for a 6-pack. 15.99 for a 12-pack. |
| 19:56.38 | Amarande | Even a 6-pack of friggin Guinness is only like 8.29. |
| 19:57.10 | MB350 | thats rediculous |
| 19:57.59 | ronin | Amarande: dont worry about stella is highly overrated |
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| 19:59.10 | stew | Amarande: stella here would be 9.99/6 |
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| 20:01.18 | clt_glm | hello |
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| 20:01.55 | Ungy | six pack of stella here is $10.98 |
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| 20:02.09 | Amarande | ungy: you must be in canada or something |
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| 20:02.19 | Ungy | Amarande, I am in Ontario |
| 20:02.35 | Ungy | Amarande, freaking LCBO price gouges people |
| 20:02.38 | stew | actually i wouldnt' be suprised if it were $10.99 here too |
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| 20:02.57 | stew | hah: http://www.ie7.com/ |
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| 20:03.32 | ronin | Ungy: try buying it out here from the nblc |
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| 20:03.53 | Ungy | ronIn they pretty bad there too? |
| 20:04.03 | myren | how do you spell the french expression for "i dont know what".... ju nu se qua or whatever |
| 20:04.43 | ronin | $20.00 for a 12 pack |
| 20:04.48 | Ungy | that is cute stew |
| 20:04.51 | kspath | merde! |
| 20:05.24 | ClamIAm | je ne se pas |
| 20:05.26 | ClamIAm | i think |
| 20:05.32 | ClamIAm | something like that |
| 20:05.40 | nkuttler | myren: grab a dictionary at your local library. usually they have things written in phonetic alphabet. |
| 20:05.41 | myren | many thanks, better than my spelling by 100000x |
| 20:05.46 | MB350 | Je ne sais pas ce qui |
| 20:05.54 | myren | yeah, grab a french dictionary at my american library |
| 20:05.57 | thingfish | I think it's "Je ne sais quois" for I don't know what. |
| 20:05.58 | myren | good advice |
| 20:06.11 | thingfish | Je ne sais pas is I don't know. |
| 20:06.16 | MB350 | I just used a translator |
| 20:06.17 | ClamIAm | myren, they probably have english <-> french dictionaries |
| 20:06.18 | Ungy | ronin that seems cheaper it is over 24 for a 12 pack here |
| 20:06.18 | MB350 | Je ne sais pas ce qui |
| 20:06.32 | ClamIAm | or you could look up a translation website |
| 20:06.37 | myren | whats with the pas |
| 20:06.48 | myren | is it silent or something? |
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| 20:06.58 | ClamIAm | yeah silent s |
| 20:07.00 | MB350 | Je ne sais pas ce qui = I do not know what in french according to my translator |
| 20:07.01 | thingfish | it's used with ne. |
| 20:07.02 | Ungy | ronin it is incredible you can buy 12 individule beers for the same price ass a 12 pack of any brand that has the same price no benefit for buying more |
| 20:07.09 | myren | it was more the p i was wondering about |
| 20:07.13 | liata | is there a way to monitor all system calls in real time? |
| 20:07.25 | liata | from what i see strace is for debugging a specific program |
| 20:07.27 | ClamIAm | Ungy, the benefit is that you have 12 BEERS |
| 20:07.46 | tarzeau | liata: what do you really want to do? |
| 20:08.07 | Ungy | ClamIAm, no cause then you have 12 different beers and if you drink them in the wrong order they don;t go down to well |
| 20:08.29 | liata | tarzeau, i want to trace the entire login process of a user to the system, when it successful and when its not |
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| 20:08.42 | ClamIAm | Ungy, i meant a 12 pack has that advantage |
| 20:08.47 | tarzeau | liata: but for that there's logfiles? |
| 20:08.49 | ClamIAm | but whatever |
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| 20:09.12 | liata | tarzeau, which is why i mentioned system calls |
| 20:09.26 | liata | tarzeau, im talking about the ENTIRE process, not a log procedure |
| 20:09.32 | tarzeau | liata: i see |
| 20:09.42 | tarzeau | liata: what about running the login process in strace? |
| 20:10.01 | ClamIAm | i ran fsck on my bugged partition, it fixed a bunch of stuff, and I booted up again. mount still reports "(rw, errors, remount -ro)". but it appears i can write to the drive. any ideas? |
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| 20:11.10 | liata | tarzeau, thats good but im wondering if there's another way, like real-time monitoring |
| 20:11.12 | celuken | how can i find out the dga modes on XFree86 ? |
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| 20:12.27 | celuken | if there is a program that discover them if i will give him the high and vertical resolutio ..and the refresh of my monitor |
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| 20:12.40 | MB350 | I have been using a mac for almost 2 years now and I have used a microsoft OS for 15 years. Could someone tell me which linux I should get for first timer use? |
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| 20:13.20 | treyh0 | MB350: how do you want to use the computer with linux? |
| 20:13.24 | treyh0 | MB350: home use stuff? |
| 20:13.32 | MB350 | yeah |
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| 20:13.38 | MB350 | just starting with the basics first |
| 20:13.54 | treyh0 | MB350: probably mandrake (sorry #debian) |
| 20:14.04 | treyh0 | ooh there is a "which linux distro is right for you" guide online... |
| 20:14.07 | treyh0 | i wonder if i can find the URL |
| 20:14.18 | MB350 | I would appreciate it |
| 20:14.33 | stew | MB350: for first time linux users ubuntu/kubuntu is more more friendly than debian, they use kde/gnome respectively, if you have to make comparisons, kde is more windows like and gnome is more mac like |
| 20:14.52 | treyh0 | MB350: http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php |
| 20:14.55 | MB350 | cool thanks |
| 20:15.01 | MB350 | I will look into it |
| 20:15.09 | buht-w | anyone know where a good tutorial on pam.d/* and winbind configurations is? im having a hell of a time getting GDM to allow me to use my existing working winbind setup with the MS active directory |
| 20:15.14 | buht-w | googled like mad |
| 20:15.16 | x-x- | what's wrogn with debian? |
| 20:15.19 | x-x- | *wrong |
| 20:15.21 | dondelelcaro | x-x-: ? |
| 20:15.25 | x-x- | it is easy to setup and use |
| 20:15.29 | treyh0 | yeah ubuntu and kubuntu are easier than debian, but the hardware problems are not nearly as polished as the other rpm based distros |
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| 20:15.38 | nkuttler | x-x-: yes, but others are even easier |
| 20:15.47 | treyh0 | my family has been running fedora and suse but then i showed them ubuntu and nothing but hardware problems |
| 20:15.48 | x-x- | why play with toys like (k)ubuntu |
| 20:16.02 | stew | x-x-: becuase they are easier to setup for a first time linux user |
| 20:16.06 | treyh0 | x-x-: its easy for a unix / geek |
| 20:16.12 | treyh0 | x-x-: but not a windows/mac user |
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| 20:16.40 | x-x- | too bad i don't seem to see the differences |
| 20:16.46 | stew | x-x-: someone who is wanting to explore linux for the first time probably doesn't want to be asked questions like, "what is the busid of your video card" before they get to do things like browse the web |
| 20:16.53 | MB350 | I'm just going to try it out and get to learn my way around the OS. I'm a graphic designer/animator. I've done programming on windows and im looking to start up in networking. I just want to be mroe knowledgable on the different operating systems |
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| 20:17.20 | treyh0 | x-x-: someone wanting to print on an HP deskjet 722c shouldn't have to "apt-get install pnm2ppa && dpkg-reconfigure pnm2ppa" to get it to work right |
| 20:17.33 | nkuttler | MB350: what exactly in networking? you can install most tools that exist for linux in os x. |
| 20:17.38 | x-x- | heh... i just re-installed my laptop, didn't notice i had to know anythig=ng technical to get it back up and running |
| 20:17.40 | treyh0 | MB350: did you get that url for the distro chooser? |
| 20:17.45 | x-x- | *anything |
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| 20:17.55 | MB350 | yes I have treyh0 im looking at it now |
| 20:17.58 | treyh0 | MB350: it told me debian was my perfect mate ;) |
| 20:18.17 | bobw | what is the proxy user for in debian? |
| 20:18.26 | MB350 | I dont want to install linux on my mac I want it on my other pc |
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| 20:20.12 | MB350 | I downloaded fedora core 4 online. It was 4 iso's and 4 srpms iso's |
| 20:20.32 | MB350 | there was supposed to be a 2gb dvd iso there but there was no link |
| 20:20.34 | treyh0 | you don't need the SRPM isos |
| 20:20.40 | MB350 | ok good |
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| 20:20.44 | treyh0 | MB350: the dvd is probably on bittorrent |
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| 20:20.57 | kspath | hmmm I seem to remember there being a #fedora for looney talk |
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| 20:21.21 | MB350 | well I did get the link for the dvd iso but for some reason it would freeze |
| 20:21.28 | MB350 | I'll have to search more |
| 20:21.52 | treyh0 | hehe loony talk |
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| 20:22.29 | treyh0 | yeah but this way we can be nice to new comers and then when they find how the other distros aren't perfect they know where the safe haven is |
| 20:22.30 | kspath | I really think if people running linux need something dumbed down so much they should be a cookie cutter pc with linux pre-configured and a dumbed down recovery cd |
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| 20:22.59 | x-x- | is it illegal if I download windows xp home and install it using my legit cd key? |
| 20:23.00 | treyh0 | kspath: like linspire? |
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| 20:23.05 | kspath | fedora is NOT a safe haven |
| 20:23.08 | MB350 | there was a recovery cd there but I didn't download it |
| 20:23.09 | x-x- | =/ |
| 20:23.10 | nkuttler | x-x-: ask a lawyer |
| 20:23.12 | treyh0 | kspath: i know, debian is |
| 20:23.26 | treyh0 | x-x-: its illegal to use a key more than once :) |
| 20:23.31 | MB350 | x-x- ask microsoft |
| 20:23.57 | mrverbose | which kernel would you recommend on sarge? |
| 20:24.02 | mrverbose | 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 20:24.03 | treyh0 | mrverbose: 2.6.8, stock |
| 20:24.04 | x-x- | treyh0: wrong... illegal to use the same key on mulitiple pc's |
| 20:24.08 | phil__ | Hey all, can someone help? When I try to play anything in any media player it says that I should check that my soundcard is configed properly, i have the correct output plugin selected and no other prog is blocking the soundcard. Gnome sounds are working fine and the hardware works in windows, so its definatly a software problem. How can I fix it? |
| 20:24.12 | kspath | it is illegal to do almost anything somewhere due to average person being ............ |
| 20:24.18 | x-x- | lol |
| 20:24.19 | treyh0 | x-x- isn't that what i said? |
| 20:24.19 | x-x- | yea |
| 20:24.21 | x-x- | this is a pain |
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| 20:24.29 | x-x- | my laptop's recovery discs are broken |
| 20:24.31 | nkuttler | phil__: esd running? |
| 20:24.35 | elturcin | Setting up squid (2.5.12-3) ... |
| 20:24.35 | elturcin | /etc/init.d/squid: line 16: /lib/lsb/init-functions: No such file or directory |
| 20:24.40 | mrverbose | treyh0: stock yes, but which one, i believe it comes with 2.4.xx and 2.6.8. the box is rather slow (pentium 100) |
| 20:24.42 | elturcin | any ideas? |
| 20:24.48 | elturcin | and I can't remove it either |
| 20:24.49 | phil__ | nkuttler: how can I check? |
| 20:24.56 | nkuttler | phil__: ps aux | grep esd |
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| 20:24.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@eccb01-00-barwga-68-233-186-242.atlaga.adelphia.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 20:25.03 | treyh0 | phil__: you have to deal with artsd and esd if you don't have a full duplex sound card |
| 20:25.04 | MB350 | x-x- your not going to get busted by microsoft for using someone elses serial number |
| 20:25.06 | mrverbose | what 2.4.xx is debian sarge actually? |
| 20:25.23 | treyh0 | mrverbose: not sure about the 2.4 |
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| 20:25.27 | blondie | haha |
| 20:25.34 | pix|afk | bbl |
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| 20:25.50 | pix|afk | :) |
| 20:26.03 | mrverbose | ok, i will take the familiar 2.6 :8 |
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| 20:26.11 | phil__ | ps aux | grep esd returned what seems to be gibberish. It says "phil" followed by some numbers and then /usr/bin/esd -n obeeps |
| 20:26.13 | treyh0 | mrverbose: looks like 2.4.27 |
| 20:26.22 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Why do you (and many others) use /remove rather than /kick? |
| 20:26.39 | phil__ | treyh0: I think my sound card is full duplex, how can I check that?# |
| 20:26.44 | nkuttler | phil__: kill it. use alsa |
| 20:26.47 | dondelelcaro | resiak: because it's less prominent and it steps around people's clients stupid auto-rejoin scripts. |
| 20:26.58 | resiak | dondelelcaro: That's very cunning. |
| 20:27.11 | phil__ | nkuttler: I thought I was :p how do I kill esd? Just remove it with apt-get? |
| 20:27.14 | treyh0 | phil__: play music or sounds in 2 players and if you hear both without using artsd or esd, you have full duplex |
| 20:27.23 | treyh0 | phil__: or play music and then cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 20:27.27 | nkuttler | phil__: that would remove the package. man killall or man kill |
| 20:27.29 | treyh0 | if you hear static its full duplex ;) |
| 20:27.53 | dondelelcaro | resiak: plus, since we just /abr nick; and the rest is done automaticlaly, if remove looks nicer, there's no reason not to use it. |
| 20:28.15 | phil__ | treyh0: I can't play music without it chucking up an error, that's the problem. I used to be able to play music fine until I enabled gnome sounds. Now it says resource busy. |
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| 20:28.24 | phil__ | nkuttler: Will check out, thanks |
| 20:28.44 | treyh0 | phil__: sounds like esd problem, i'd disable esd and gnome sound themes |
| 20:28.54 | treyh0 | music is good but sounds when a window pops up are annoying |
| 20:29.00 | resiak | dondelelcaro: abr is done server-side? Cool. Thanks! |
| 20:29.30 | oleczek | hello, I am having problem: I have debian popato which is really a jukebox, someone kicked it and badblocks appeared, I am reinstalling with new disk and I need to install kde, where can I fetch archives? |
| 20:29.47 | jeremias | yeah that's true |
| 20:29.49 | oleczek | potato* |
| 20:29.50 | phil__ | I killed esd and now I have music :) |
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| 20:29.59 | jeremias | good for you |
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| 20:30.25 | phil__ | I'm guessing it was enabling gnome sounds that caused the problem? |
| 20:30.35 | dondelelcaro | resiak: no, it's done client side. |
| 20:30.39 | ico2_ | where can i get the apt and dpkg sources? |
| 20:30.52 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Okay. |
| 20:30.55 | oleczek | where can I get apt sources for kde1? help plz! |
| 20:31.10 | resiak | !tell ico2_ -about blootbot |
| 20:31.18 | treyh0 | phil__: yeah gnome sounds will turn on ESD |
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| 20:31.58 | dondelelcaro | resiak: it's a thing called autobleh, you can see an earlier version of it here:http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/da_perl/scripts/irssi/auto_bleh.pl?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.1&root=Don+CVS |
| 20:32.03 | phil__ | If I got a decent sound card, say a creative audigy, instead of my onboard audio, will I be able to use sound stuff properly? Like, be able to have music playing, gaim beeping, gnome making sounds etc all at a time? |
| 20:32.05 | dutch | Upon attempting to visit http://www.bankofamerica.com/ I receive Bad request |
| 20:32.08 | dutch | Your browser sent a query this server could not understand. |
| 20:32.19 | treyh0 | phil__: yeah, but you should be able to with ESD also |
| 20:32.21 | dutch | In firefox and all other browsers, anybody know what's up wit hthis? |
| 20:32.33 | treyh0 | phil__: if you have esd running, gnome sounds will work, but whatever music player you are using has to be configured to talk ESD also |
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| 20:32.48 | treyh0 | phil__: instead of straight to the hardware through OSS or alsa |
| 20:32.49 | jrattner1 | What is the debian Xserver package, xserver-xorg? |
| 20:32.50 | phil__ | treyh0: ok, I'll see if I can figure that out :\ |
| 20:32.57 | dondelelcaro | resiak: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home-plus/.irssi/scripts/auto_bleh.pl if you want the current version |
| 20:32.59 | treyh0 | phil__: yeah its a mess |
| 20:33.04 | resiak | treyh0: or you could make esd use alsa, and set up software mixing with dmix if your card doesn't do it in hardware. |
| 20:33.25 | stew | dondelelcaro: wow i would have guessed that such a script was 1/10 the size |
| 20:33.28 | treyh0 | resiak: yeah what else would esd use? oss or alsa |
| 20:33.48 | nkuttler | jrattner1: what debian version are you running? |
| 20:33.52 | jrattner1 | sarge |
| 20:33.56 | treyh0 | resiak: gnome sounds were going to esd which was locking the sound card so his music player couldn't get to it |
| 20:33.56 | resiak | treyh0: Right, but if you set up alsa to do mixing, then you don't have to make everything else use ESD |
| 20:34.04 | nkuttler | jrattner1: xserver-xfree86, /msg dpkg set up x |
| 20:34.10 | treyh0 | resiak ooh, with dmix? |
| 20:34.15 | resiak | treyh0: Got it in one |
| 20:34.26 | resiak | treyh0: You may need to use an `aoss`-shaped shim, though |
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| 20:34.39 | phil__ | wahay! I've got it :) I set up xmms to use esd and now gnome can quite happily beep away while I listen to music :) |
| 20:35.12 | treyh0 | resiak: thats cool i gotta find out about dmix |
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| 20:35.17 | ico2_ | where can i get the apt and dpkg sources? |
| 20:35.30 | dondelelcaro | stew: it's actually not that long, it just does a bunch of things... it can handle banning and automatically unbanning |
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| 20:35.53 | resiak | ico2_: Do you mean the bots or the programs? |
| 20:35.55 | stew | ico2_: apt-get source apt ; apt-get source dpkg |
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| 20:36.08 | scott_ | hey, is it possible to output all content of a file AFTER '#####' to another file ? |
| 20:36.10 | ico2_ | resiak: the programs |
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| 20:36.23 | resiak | ico2_: apt-get source dpkg; apt-get source apt-get |
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| 20:36.31 | resiak | ico2_: (just like you get the source for anything else in Debian) |
| 20:37.26 | dondelelcaro | scott_: yes; you can do so using perl fairly trivially, or you can split the file, or... |
| 20:37.26 | ico2_ | resiak: i dont have debian installed at the moment, i used to use debian a long time ago |
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| 20:37.26 | phil__ | one more question: How can I get my surround sound working? |
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| 20:37.26 | resiak | ico2_: You could use Google... |
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| 20:37.59 | ico2_ | resiak: that is a possibility |
| 20:38.03 | dutch | Anybody know why when I try to visit bankofamerica.com I get Bad request |
| 20:38.05 | dutch | Your browser sent a query this server could not understand. |
| 20:38.17 | dutch | Other sites work. |
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| 20:38.31 | misfitx7 | which browser are you using? |
| 20:38.49 | treyh0 | dutch: you using a proxy? |
| 20:38.55 | dutch | Nope. |
| 20:39.20 | dutch | And lynx can access it. |
| 20:39.23 | dutch | but not enlightenment. |
| 20:39.33 | dutch | I mean epiph. |
| 20:39.35 | dutch | Or Kon. |
| 20:39.36 | dondelelcaro | dutch: firefox here works fine as does lynx |
| 20:39.46 | treyh0 | konq works for me |
| 20:39.52 | dutch | Yeah I know that's my problem - firefox won't work for me. |
| 20:39.59 | dutch | Or any other browser, though lynx will. |
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| 20:40.13 | dutch | And I've messed with settings googled said problem,... |
| 20:40.16 | treyh0 | dutch: i wonder if www. in front matters on their site |
| 20:40.19 | dutch | Asked two debian buds on AIM |
| 20:40.25 | dutch | Tried and everything, treyh0 |
| 20:40.32 | treyh0 | :/ |
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| 20:40.40 | dondelelcaro | dutch: use tcpdump and see what is being sent out on the wire to start with. |
| 20:40.40 | treyh0 | maybe your isp is filtering it |
| 20:41.05 | kspath | anyone here know who/what controlled debianplanet.org? |
| 20:42.43 | dutch | dondelelcaro - sorry reading primer\how-to for tcpdump |
| 20:43.02 | gnupg | I am searching for netinstall which allows me to use my DSL connection, the modem connected _directly_ to the computer, any ideas? |
| 20:43.03 | phil__ | so does anyone know how to enable surround sound? I have all the volumes turned up |
| 20:43.09 | misfitx7 | two week ship time for my new imac |
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| 20:45.07 | abrotman | people still buy macs? |
| 20:45.14 | dutch | dondelelcaro - what do you mean by what's being sent out on the wire to start with? |
| 20:45.17 | dondelelcaro | dutch: sometthing like tcpdump -i eth0 -s 0 -w foofile dst port 80; then tcpdump -r foofile -XX; |
| 20:46.07 | dutch | That's greek thanks I'll learn what it means though. Thanks man. |
| 20:46.53 | dumezil | can anyone point me in the direction of how to setup an ldap server for a simple address book? every howto i find talks about makeing ldap the way of authentication, etc... i just need a simple basic howto |
| 20:47.10 | Estes2 | abrotman, surprised ? you know stupid people buy every that has a playschool look... see windows XP... |
| 20:47.25 | MB350 | ha |
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| 20:48.09 | dutch | Is OSX really that great? Linux kicks it's ass or what? Never played around with OSX |
| 20:48.35 | asg | dutch: if you like FreeBSD but don't grok fvwm2, then OSX is for you. |
| 20:49.03 | Estes2 | ... and if you love to spend 200$ for a usb floppy drive :) |
| 20:49.22 | dutch | asg: Sry, grok fvwm2? |
| 20:49.38 | asg | dutch: buy OS/X ;) |
| 20:49.41 | treyh0 | http://www.fvwm.org/ |
| 20:49.44 | Estes2 | http://www.mac-sucks.com/ |
| 20:49.51 | Estes2 | funy and sarcastic |
| 20:49.52 | cisse | dutch: if you have the loot for a nice laptop, i would get a powerbook and run osx, i think it's great. in terms of kicking linux's ass, probably not |
| 20:49.54 | Estes2 | funny * |
| 20:50.10 | tilos | as desktop osx kicks linux ass hard |
| 20:50.14 | treyh0 | linux on powerpc is cool |
| 20:50.21 | treyh0 | esp powerpc64 mmmmm |
| 20:50.48 | tilos | linux is more haxt00r though |
| 20:50.51 | dutch | tilos: thanks man more graphically oriented alright |
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| 20:51.03 | dna_ | what is a good motherboard to go with a AMD Athlon 64 3700+ ? |
| 20:51.07 | cisse | tilos: perhaps, i mean you have fink and cna basically port a lot of freebsd stuff over |
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| 20:51.15 | treyh0 | dna_: apparently nothing with ATI chipset |
| 20:51.22 | cisse | dna: i like the epox's |
| 20:51.39 | dn4 | treyh0, why nothing ATI? |
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| 20:51.43 | tilos | i know still for desktop i choose osx its great and just works |
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| 20:52.13 | treyh0 | dn4: well with my dual core amd64 at work it keeps losing time, the timer goes too fast |
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| 20:52.23 | treyh0 | dn4: unless i boot with no smp support |
| 20:52.33 | dutch | dn4: sounds lame, but gawd I can't remember the name of it... anything with nforce is beautiful with ATI 64 or athxp |
| 20:52.40 | cisse | yeah i have that same issue trey, i just run openntp |
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| 20:52.59 | dutch | DFI is the name of it - dn4 DFI LANparty board. |
| 20:53.06 | treyh0 | cisse: it makes it hard for me to type on it though, keys repeat massively |
| 20:53.10 | dutch | Goes beautifully with 64 - my brothers amazed the fuck out of me for the price |
| 20:53.11 | cisse | dutch: that's a great board my friend has it |
| 20:53.28 | cisse | treyh0: hrm i only have 64's as servers so i ssh in haven't seen that |
| 20:53.37 | dutch | Yeah really, got it as a cheap solution to build my brother's gaming rig. nforce4 and shit i about creamed my pants it was mmm |
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| 20:53.52 | treyh0 | ew |
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| 20:54.03 | tziku | hello, how can i play xpilots ? |
| 20:54.25 | eikesauer | it seems i can't make debconf ask me a certain question. i exported DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low, i do a "dpkg-reconfigure kdevelop3", but it just doesn't ask me about the (only) option kdevelop3/use_global_index... |
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| 20:54.47 | dn4 | dutch, do you know what model of DFI board he has? |
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| 20:55.37 | dutch | I could look it up real quick, though it's probably not on the site I got it from anymore, dn4 - brother's not online at the moment. |
| 20:55.38 | samo | hi all, i installed debian recentely on a desktop computer. When i installed i created a partition for the swap. CFDISK sees it as a swap partition. Does debian automatically knows to use this as swap or do i have to specify this somewhere ? thanks |
| 20:55.51 | dutch | It's black with UVreact yellow PCI heads. |
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| 20:56.27 | eikesauer | samo: you have to mention it in /etc/fstab, i think |
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| 20:56.49 | broadcaster | hi. if i installed turck_mmcache after i set up a wiki, do i have to rerun config to enable it? i tried it with another wiki, but couldn't find anything mentioning turck_mmcache in LocalSettings.php |
| 20:56.54 | jrattner1 | Debian doesnt autodetect my VGA Compat Intel Corp 828656 Integrated graphics device, and thus the xserver wont run? |
| 20:57.02 | jrattner1 | anyone have any tips? |
| 20:57.28 | broadcaster | oups, wrong channel |
| 20:58.00 | samo | eikesauer, thanks, does that seem correct to you : /dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0 . I ask cause i installed debian on a laptop since and the laptop system is much faster than the desktop one. |
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| 20:58.45 | dn4 | what about a BenQ LCD monitor, are there better brands than that one? |
| 20:58.45 | eikesauer | samo: it's exactly the line i've got in mine... |
| 20:59.15 | eikesauer | samo: did you activate dma hard disc access? |
| 20:59.34 | samo | ok thanks, i do not know about dma, where can i see that ? |
| 20:59.55 | tziku | can somebody help me with xpilot ? |
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| 21:00.04 | gnufan | Argh -- it started as a simple problem with installing a printer, and because I didn't put usblp in last time I built me kernel - I now have to make a new kernel.... argh... 2.6.11 is barfing with gcc v4... what gcc versions work with that? Or should I just grab 2.6.15 |
| 21:00.06 | Milk | howdy! |
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| 21:00.22 | eikesauer | samo: have a look at this fpr example: http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/host_perf.html |
| 21:00.28 | Milk | I want to find where in the conf file I can remove the leading ~ for default apache URLS |
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| 21:00.36 | samo | eikesauer, thanks, will do |
| 21:00.44 | jrattner1 | Debian doesnt autodetect my VGA Compat Intel Corp 828656 Integrated graphics device, and thus the xserver wont run? |
| 21:00.46 | jrattner1 | any clues |
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| 21:01.08 | Milk | jrattner1, search google for a linux driver? |
| 21:01.24 | dn4 | where is a good website to build a custom computer and just buy all the parts? |
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| 21:01.28 | jrattner1 | everything was autodetected properly but ubuntu previously |
| 21:01.30 | treyh0 | dn4: pcusa.com |
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| 21:02.19 | Milk | jrattner1, Debian isn't ubuntu... it probably doesn't include the drivers somehow |
| 21:03.10 | jrattner1 | Milk, i realise that its just htis is a older and common video card i would assume it would work in one of the best distributions |
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| 21:04.12 | stjepan | can you run windows games with cedega with an ATI card? |
| 21:04.30 | benjamindees | jrattner1, I've nerver heard of that card? is it an i865? |
| 21:04.40 | Milk | jrattner1, assuming anything is a bad idea... ubuntu shines because it works GREAT as a desktop in terms of hardware recognition, Debian shines becuse its stable and a GREAT server |
| 21:04.40 | benjamindees | jrattner1, how old is it? |
| 21:05.16 | Milk | jrattner1, have you searched google to see if anyone else has had your problem? |
| 21:05.25 | stjepan | btw I use ATIs driver |
| 21:05.45 | samo | eikesauer, dma seems to be enabled, could it be because i didnt isntall the drivers for the graphic card but let debian detect the right settings for X display ? |
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| 21:06.52 | abrotman | stjepan: ask #cedega |
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| 21:07.24 | stjepan | abrotman: ok |
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| 21:08.03 | asg | abrotman: riding what? |
| 21:08.11 | selutha | what creates the file /etc/mysql/my.cnf? i have tried dpkg reconfigure mysql-server and that was not it |
| 21:08.15 | abrotman | a bike damn you! |
| 21:08.26 | asg | abrotman: ah, you never know. |
| 21:08.29 | abrotman | !find mysql/my.cnf sarge |
| 21:08.57 | peterS | abrotman: dude are you going to debconf6 yet? |
| 21:09.11 | abrotman | peterS: did you sign yet? |
| 21:09.16 | gnupg | selutha - try to reconfigure mysql-common |
| 21:09.17 | peterS | abrotman: not yet |
| 21:09.20 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:09.29 | abrotman | peterS: i could just give you money to go! |
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| 21:09.49 | peterS | abrotman: you could, but it'd be better to use the money for yourself |
| 21:09.49 | eikesauer | samo: of course this could be. is it slower on command line as well? |
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| 21:09.59 | abrotman | peterS: i have to get job-related permission also .. so even if damog gets every DD to sign .. i stil might not be able to go |
| 21:10.11 | peterS | abrotman: oh now that would suck |
| 21:10.20 | abrotman | yes .. but it is 10 days .. and i'm the sole admin |
| 21:10.22 | roel- | what's a good program to monitor processes? (I have a feeling my amavisd-new is crashing on me lately) |
| 21:10.25 | samo | no command line is fine but if i open a new tab in firefox i see it "load" basically |
| 21:10.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql/my.cnf' (1): (/etc/mysql/my.cnf) in misc/mysql-common,misc/mysql-common-4.1. |
| 21:10.40 | abrotman | selutha: ^^ |
| 21:10.45 | peterS | abrotman: one doesn't have to stay the whole 10 days, if that poses a problem |
| 21:10.50 | vom | anyone know if/why tor seems to have been removed from packages ? |
| 21:10.59 | abrotman | peterS: i realize that .. but i'd rather do that |
| 21:11.05 | vom | im running stable and it's nowhere to be found (i had it before) |
| 21:11.06 | abrotman | vom: in which version of debian? |
| 21:11.28 | selutha | abrotman, gnupg ok trying that thanks |
| 21:11.29 | abrotman | you must have gotten it unofficially .. afaik .. it's not in etch |
| 21:11.31 | dn4 | What does it mean if a mother board has a nForce Ultra chip set?? |
| 21:11.37 | vom | ive even tried apt-get -s -t unstable install tor |
| 21:11.40 | vom | and it finds nothing |
| 21:11.40 | abrotman | it means you're a sucker :) |
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| 21:11.46 | abrotman | !info tor sid |
| 21:11.46 | cisse | dn4: nforce4++ |
| 21:11.48 | eikesauer | samo: then you should probably do something abot the graphics driver... |
| 21:11.59 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.0.16-1 (sid), Packaged size: 611 kB, Installed size: 980 kB |
| 21:12.04 | abrotman | vom: well . it's there |
| 21:12.08 | vom | hmm |
| 21:12.09 | samo | eikesauer, ok , i will try to do that, thanks for your advice |
| 21:12.10 | abrotman | !info tor etch |
| 21:12.22 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.0.16-1 (etch), Packaged size: 611 kB, Installed size: 980 kB |
| 21:12.38 | eikesauer | samo: ...in particular if it's nvidia or ati |
| 21:12.54 | vom | apt-get -s -t sid install tor |
| 21:13.00 | vom | should that work ? |
| 21:13.04 | samo | eikesauer, its nvidia, would you know of a how to i could follow ? |
| 21:13.39 | dn4 | cisse, nforce4++ ? |
| 21:13.39 | abrotman | vom: sid is a synonym for unstable |
| 21:13.41 | tziku | !dpkg tell tziku about games |
| 21:13.48 | tziku | !dpkg tell tziku about xpilot |
| 21:13.49 | abrotman | tziku: happypenguin.org |
| 21:13.57 | abrotman | !tell tziku about msg the bot |
| 21:13.58 | eikesauer | samo: there are packages for this. if you're using stable, you have to compile something (AFAIK), with testing it's easier. have a look for nvidia*-packages |
| 21:13.59 | dn4 | cisse, What if I get a PCI express video card, would the nForce4++ chipset conflict with it? |
| 21:14.16 | secher_ | can someone recommend a jabber client? |
| 21:14.27 | abrotman | secher_: for which desktop ? |
| 21:14.29 | samo | eikesauer, ok thanks, i try that |
| 21:14.30 | eikesauer | samo: (it's worth the fuss, it will make the system much faster.) |
| 21:14.31 | vom | abrotman: can you tell what repo it comes from, i.e. main/non-free etc ? |
| 21:14.33 | secher_ | E17 |
| 21:14.39 | vom | i have pretty much everything in sources.list |
| 21:14.41 | abrotman | vom: it seems to be main |
| 21:14.41 | vom | this is killing me |
| 21:14.44 | vom | wow |
| 21:14.45 | abrotman | secher_: gaim is good .. |
| 21:15.01 | samo | eikesauer, thanks, it ll be much more fun to use once i get that running |
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| 21:15.44 | vom | Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:15.46 | tziku | abrotman can u tell me something about ssh games ? |
| 21:15.46 | vom | and so on |
| 21:15.50 | vom | bad mirror ? |
| 21:16.23 | secher_ | Kk.. I hate im. seems so.. so.. windowsish.. dunno. |
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| 21:16.48 | abrotman | tziku: about what ? |
| 21:16.57 | abrotman | vom: it's possible |
| 21:17.08 | abrotman | secher_: jabber is nice .. |
| 21:17.09 | bushito | if (num mod 2 = 0 ); is this correct?? =O |
| 21:17.17 | abrotman | correct for WHAT? |
| 21:17.28 | tziku | abrotman: if it's possible...and waht u recomand me... |
| 21:17.34 | abrotman | wtf is an ssh game ? |
| 21:17.35 | secher_ | bushito: wrong channel. |
| 21:17.44 | bushito | =O |
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| 21:17.51 | abrotman | i know asg likes robotfindskitten |
| 21:17.51 | tziku | yes :D |
| 21:17.58 | jrattner1 | I can not get my VGA Compat Intel Copr 828656 to work in anything above 640x480? or whatever it is |
| 21:18.00 | jrattner1 | any ideas? |
| 21:18.01 | Amarande | I don't have trouble with PCI-I and nForce4 |
| 21:18.03 | Amarande | er, PCI-E |
| 21:18.12 | abrotman | jrattner1: what driver? and did you check the logs ? |
| 21:18.19 | abrotman | why? |
| 21:18.28 | Amarande | btw, does the nvidia proprietary driver have any support for SLI as well? These 6600's are pretty cheap. |
| 21:18.38 | tziku | abrotman a game what i can play from home :) i log to my server on ssh (22) port . And i want to please something. |
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| 21:18.51 | tziku | play* |
| 21:19.20 | jrattner1 | abrotman, yeh I have check the logs, first i tried with the VESA driver, then the VGA driver, and then the 810 driver but all force me to use 640x480? what driver should I be using with that graphics card? |
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| 21:19.42 | vom | abrotman: i changed my mirror i was using and it finds tor now |
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| 21:19.55 | vom | abrotman: thanks for the help |
| 21:20.06 | dn4 | so nForce chipsets on motherboards are good for AMD chips? |
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| 21:20.31 | selutha | abrotman, is that command in debian or is that only on a bot? the !find thing you did |
| 21:20.54 | dondelelcaro | selutha: use apt-file if you want to use something like that in Debian |
| 21:21.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell selutha -about search |
| 21:21.05 | jrattner1 | abrotman, ? |
| 21:21.14 | dondelelcaro | selutha: that factoid contains a few more tidbits that you may find useful |
| 21:21.19 | selutha | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 21:24.29 | cisse | dn4: i've had good experiences with them |
| 21:24.33 | king_mike | Hi. Anyone knows where I can find the sl-modem thing on apt ? |
| 21:24.46 | dn4 | think this is a good motherboard http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=Fatal1ty+AN8+SLI&fMTYPE=Socket%20939 |
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| 21:24.57 | dn4 | Also what is SLI? |
| 21:25.38 | cisse | it's nvidias interface for linking 2 video cards |
| 21:25.44 | strider | king_mike: it'll be in non-free |
| 21:25.56 | Nwallins | hello. in /var/mail/$user i have several messages from root that appear to be encrypted. I probably set that up at some point a while back -- i'm not sure. how can I read them? |
| 21:26.07 | king_mike | ok, thanks, I wish I wouldnt install non-free things, but I need this :-) |
| 21:26.22 | thingfish | cool, it's named after that gamer who lives here in Kansas City. |
| 21:26.26 | Nwallins | hmm maybe it's just base64 encoded? |
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| 21:27.14 | MB350 | need = buy |
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| 21:27.47 | abrotman | selutha: a bot thing |
| 21:27.50 | abrotman | !tell selutha about search |
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| 21:28.13 | abrotman | jrattner1: probably i810 .. lspci | grep -i vga |
| 21:28.15 | kspath | Nwallins: not rot13? ;-) |
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| 21:29.00 | wornaki | is there a way of disabling udevd or any hotplug initialization on boot? This is giving a kernel panic |
| 21:29.08 | dn4 | are there any motherboards with 3 ghz of hyperthread ? |
| 21:29.27 | pngwn | dn4, this is more a 'software' than a 'hardware' channel ;) |
| 21:29.42 | king_mike | strider : found it. thanks again |
| 21:29.54 | Nwallins | kspath: definitely not. i don't know too much about utf-8 and base64, but presumably you can't read such data with `less` |
| 21:30.08 | strider | np, king_mike . bloody winmodems ;) |
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| 21:32.02 | swatikiss | I used to see pdf file icons as previews in gnome... but something happened. how can i get this back? |
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| 21:42.26 | Wanderer | yeah, way off topic, but does anyone know how to print "handoutmode" in openoffice on a debian system? |
| 21:42.34 | Wanderer | need to print this for my wife quick |
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| 21:44.19 | goron | Can I see Windows chm files on Debian? |
| 21:44.30 | Wanderer | yeah, way off topic, but does anyone know how to print "handoutmode" in openoffice on a debian system? |
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| 21:44.39 | Wanderer | (think I changed channels, don't mean to spam if not) |
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| 21:45.58 | tarzeau | goron: yes, xchm? |
| 21:45.58 | dn4 | is it good to get the nForce 4 chipset or the nForce 4 SLI? |
| 21:46.06 | goron | tarzeau: installing that now. |
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| 21:46.46 | netcrusher88 | is there any SIP server software? |
| 21:46.49 | Amarande | dn4: nForce4 works fine for me on Debian |
| 21:46.51 | Amarande | only caveat |
| 21:47.00 | Amarande | you will need to buy an ethernet card, and probably a sound card |
| 21:47.09 | Amarande | those aren't supported yet, though the basic chipset is |
| 21:47.48 | Amarande | as for SLI, I'm not sure about that |
| 21:47.54 | Amarande | I presume your X driver needs to handle that |
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| 21:48.08 | Amarande | I don't know if the nVidia proprietary driver does SLI |
| 21:49.09 | goron | tarzeau: xchm seems nice. |
| 21:50.23 | tarzeau | goron: i don't think so ... |
| 21:50.24 | dn4 | Amarande, me either |
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| 21:50.42 | goron | tarzeau: because? |
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| 21:50.48 | JRWR-Tux | whats the best way to update sarge to etch |
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| 21:51.23 | tarzeau | goron: i think chm is stupid |
| 21:51.31 | tarzeau | JRWR-Tux: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:51.38 | goron | tarzeau: you mean the format? |
| 21:51.53 | tarzeau | yes |
| 21:52.17 | goron | tarzeau: Oh, sure if you say so. I don't know the format, but I can imagine it to be. |
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| 21:53.40 | Unity | is there a program that can batch convert pages of a pdf into numbered jpg's? |
| 21:53.59 | tarzeau | Unity: ugh! but why? |
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| 21:54.24 | Unity | tarzeau: i want to print out hundreds of pages at school and there is no acrobat reader installed |
| 21:54.40 | tarzeau | Unity: ouch |
| 21:54.49 | bohanlon | Unity:pdf2ps? |
| 21:54.53 | Unity | tarzeau: indeed. i almost cried |
| 21:55.02 | tarzeau | Unity: play nethack instead? |
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| 21:55.15 | Unity | tarzeau: i don't anything about windows |
| 21:55.20 | goron | Unity: Hmm, how about installing acrobat reader? |
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| 21:55.24 | bohanlon | If the print system cannot handle postscript, I too cry with you |
| 21:55.32 | Unity | goron: need admin password for that |
| 21:55.37 | Mole | how do i bring an interface down and up again without loosing ssh-connection ? |
| 21:55.41 | neurocyte | Unity, ghostscript will do that for you |
| 21:55.48 | goron | Unity: to install something in your home dir? |
| 21:56.04 | Unity | goron: to run the installer exe thingy |
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| 21:56.38 | goron | Unity: you can't execute any exe? |
| 21:56.47 | Unity | bohanlon: it is possible to print a ps file in windows with what program? |
| 21:57.01 | Unity | goron: not any that have installershield or something in it |
| 21:57.31 | bohanlon | Unity: I did not realize that this was a windows issue; most print systems can handle postscript directly, though I do not know how to do that on windows... |
| 21:57.34 | Unity | Mole: i'm pretty sure you would have to cut the connection to do that |
| 21:57.40 | bobw | when is the packages.debian.org going to be up, i need an old libstdc++ package |
| 21:57.46 | bohanlon | Unity: Surely your school has a UNIX cluster?? |
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| 21:58.07 | Lord_Athur | is there a free version of unix? |
| 21:58.08 | Mole | Unity : so its not possible to do it via ssh ? |
| 21:58.12 | tarzeau | bobw: we don't know |
| 21:58.19 | tarzeau | bobw: tried apt-get moo yet? |
| 21:58.20 | smo | hi, wha can i do when i have errors like that *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): |
| 21:58.22 | smo | ?? |
| 21:58.25 | smo | please |
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| 21:58.32 | tarzeau | smo: fix the software |
| 21:58.42 | tarzeau | smo: apt-get source pkg, then check free() |
| 21:58.47 | smo | i have this on many softs now |
| 21:58.51 | bohanlon | Lord_Athur: We have Solaris here... The site license is better than Windows'... |
| 21:58.56 | Unity | Mole: if you only have one interface, then you can always set the other computer to do it like one second later |
| 21:58.57 | tarzeau | smo: which softs? |
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| 21:59.27 | smo | now, vncviewer |
| 21:59.36 | smo | azureus.... |
| 21:59.47 | Mole | Unity : like with crontab ? |
| 21:59.52 | Unity | Mole: yes |
| 22:00.03 | tarzeau | other people also have problem with libXau.so.6 ? |
| 22:00.10 | Mole | Unity : ok thx |
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| 22:00.19 | smo | gimp too !!! |
| 22:00.23 | Unity | Mole: but if it doesn't go back online, then you have a problem |
| 22:00.36 | Unity | i think he has a problem |
| 22:00.37 | tarzeau | smo: being big or populart doesn't make one resistant to bugs |
| 22:00.40 | Chance | anyone that can help me with this ? configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH |
| 22:00.52 | Chance | bash: cc: command not found |
| 22:00.55 | cisse | Chance: what are you trying to do ? |
| 22:00.59 | tarzeau | Chance: apt-get install gcc? |
| 22:01.05 | Chance | i do have gcc |
| 22:01.15 | tarzeau | Chance: which software do you try to confgiure? |
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| 22:01.59 | smo | ok it s fixed tarzeau |
| 22:02.13 | smo | just a small upgrade then ok..... |
| 22:02.40 | swatikiss | im trying to run a program with ssh that is on another computer and I get the error " Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 22:02.40 | swatikiss | " |
| 22:02.53 | bohanlon | swatikiss: use ssh -Y |
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| 22:03.24 | bobw | how do I get the .deb of a package installed on my machine? |
| 22:03.36 | bohanlon | bobw: dpkg -i |
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| 22:04.07 | bobw | bohanlon, I did that |
| 22:04.07 | swatikiss | bohanlon, thanks! |
| 22:04.25 | bohanlon | bobw: are you getting an error? |
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| 22:04.59 | bobw | bohanlon, no but i thought all the installed debs are in /var/cache/apt |
| 22:05.14 | abrotman | unless you apt-get clean |
| 22:05.20 | abrotman | or unless you dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 22:05.24 | abrotman | that cache is for apt |
| 22:05.28 | bohanlon | bobw: If it is installed with apt, but ==abrotman |
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| 22:05.48 | abrotman | i'm being compared to a butt? |
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| 22:05.49 | Estes2 | Hey guys, do anyone knows a tool to well test a dns server, i ran dig on it, it works but it seems the problem appears and disappears any tool to check every x tmie the dns ? |
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| 22:06.02 | abrotman | maybe ask #dns |
| 22:06.14 | bobw | bohanlon, thanks |
| 22:06.15 | bohanlon | abrotman: you were just quicker, so I used that to agree with you |
| 22:06.22 | Estes2 | maybe #bind would offer better luck than #dns |
| 22:06.28 | Estes2 | alright.. |
| 22:06.29 | Estes2 | ty |
| 22:06.31 | bobw | lol a butt |
| 22:06.31 | abrotman | it's not a bind specific question |
| 22:06.40 | Estes2 | It's a bind server |
| 22:06.40 | bobw | notice the == and not the - |
| 22:06.44 | bobw | notice the == and not the = |
| 22:06.45 | clarkf | I am sort of in a situation. I did a dist-upgrade, and it is trying to have me upgrade knetworkconf, yet every time I get close, it gives me the error: " trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/system-tools-backends.pc', which is also in package gnome-system-tools |
| 22:06.45 | clarkf | " and I can't remove gnome-system-tools without it telling me to apt-get -f install. Any ideas? |
| 22:07.06 | tarzeau | clarkf: :) |
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| 22:07.40 | clarkf | Uh...? |
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| 22:07.43 | abrotman | clarkf: --force-overwrite may be of some help |
| 22:08.15 | Chance | still same error |
| 22:08.39 | clarkf | abrotman: With apt-get? I get "E: Command line option --force-overwrite is not understood |
| 22:08.39 | clarkf | " |
| 22:08.47 | abrotman | man dpkg ? |
| 22:08.50 | abrotman | man apt-get .. |
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| 22:09.10 | Rawplayer | RE |
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| 22:09.29 | tarzeau | !seen angus |
| 22:09.30 | dpkg | angus <Hal9000@vpn-9-042.rz.uni-mannheim.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 205d 6h 14m 56s ago, saying: 'i just thought about that now... didnt remember sarge was on 2.4 default =) lol'. |
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| 22:10.58 | whatever | has anyone been able to install php4/php5 with the apache2 mpm-worker? : / |
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| 22:15.35 | stew | abrotman: just got back :) |
| 22:15.48 | stew | abrotman: 'twas beautiful, i was overdressed |
| 22:15.54 | abrotman | stew: you stink .. literally :) |
| 22:15.59 | tarzeau | crap sidplay2 is still playing too fast |
| 22:16.01 | Chance | why my gcc ain't working ? |
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| 22:16.07 | stew | abrotman: yup, its time to wash the vest |
| 22:16.08 | Amarande | chance: which dist? |
| 22:16.12 | Chance | 3.1 |
| 22:16.16 | Amarande | sarge, etch, or sid? |
| 22:16.28 | Chance | sarge |
| 22:16.39 | Amarande | are all your build-essentials installed? |
| 22:17.17 | tarzeau | music being played like 10% too fast just sucks! |
| 22:17.21 | Chance | yea |
| 22:17.24 | tarzeau | i wonder how they manage to screw it up like that for months! |
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| 22:18.16 | Amarande | chance: what are you trying to build? |
| 22:18.18 | gunoo | does anyone know where to start the sendmail? |
| 22:18.24 | gunoo | i tried /etc/init.d/sendmail start |
| 22:18.29 | gunoo | but no luck (no found) |
| 22:18.29 | Amarande | make sure you have the right libraries and that the source tarball isn't munged |
| 22:18.35 | Amarande | and if it has a ./configure script, make sure you ran it |
| 22:18.40 | Amarande | and read the INSTALL file if there is one |
| 22:18.41 | Kurtism | /etc/defaults/sendmail |
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| 22:19.01 | Chance | Amarande GeoIP-1.3.8 |
| 22:19.04 | Amarande | chance: can you compile a basic 'hello world' program? |
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| 22:19.39 | Chance | check this checking for gcc... no |
| 22:19.39 | Chance | checking for cc... no |
| 22:19.55 | Chance | i need cc and gcc |
| 22:20.08 | Amarande | chance: type "aptitude show gcc" |
| 22:20.10 | Gathond | you need one or the other :) |
| 22:20.17 | Amarande | and tell me what it says under "State:" |
| 22:20.20 | Kurtism | sendmail sucks man you should use Postfix |
| 22:20.27 | Chance | State: not installed |
| 22:20.34 | Amarande | chance: then you don't have gcc installed on your system :) |
| 22:20.39 | Kurtism | Postfix and cyrus-imap as well as cyrus-saslauthd for authentication |
| 22:20.43 | stew | !b-e Chance |
| 22:20.44 | dpkg | Chance: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 22:20.58 | Chance | how ? |
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| 22:21.05 | Amarande | chance: apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:21.28 | Chance | not working |
| 22:21.32 | Chance | gives me an error |
| 22:21.50 | Amarande | hmm |
| 22:21.57 | Amarande | build-essential doesn't include gcc by default? I thought it did |
| 22:22.01 | Amarande | okay, then apt-get install gcc first |
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| 22:22.25 | Amarande | you'll still need to install build-essential though, since you need more than just gcc to build things |
| 22:22.28 | abrotman | Chance: apt-get install build-essential .. it should have gcc/g++ |
| 22:22.44 | Chance | abrotman it crashes when i try it |
| 22:22.45 | deadcat_ | Amarande: dpkg -L build-essential |grep bin |
| 22:22.53 | abrotman | Chance: there's a good place to start :) |
| 22:23.05 | Amarande | abrotman: it tells him that build-essential depends on gcc and g++ but they're not going to be installed |
| 22:23.13 | Amarande | looks like he needs to install those first |
| 22:23.18 | stew | Chance: /msg dpkg bat |
| 22:23.26 | stew | Chance: show us the stuff outlined there ^^^ |
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| 22:23.56 | clarkf | christ, this is so tedius |
| 22:23.59 | abrotman | Amarande: you're ignorning a basic part of the problem |
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| 22:24.49 | Chance | stew http://channels.debian.net/paste/1740. |
| 22:25.08 | swatikiss | something just got messed up with my configuration ~ I can't start X .. it says that no devices can be found! whats going on here? |
| 22:25.29 | stew | Chance: paste you /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:26.25 | Chance | stew http://channels.debian.net/paste/1741. |
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| 22:27.59 | stew | Chance: have you run "apt-get update" ? can you run apt-cache policy cpp cpp-3.3 |
| 22:28.19 | tarzeau | swatikiss: sid? |
| 22:28.22 | selutha | !find mysql/debian-start |
| 22:28.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql/debian-start' (1): (/etc/mysql/debian-start, /usr/share/mysql/debian-start.inc.sh) in misc/mysql-server-5.0. |
| 22:28.41 | Chance | stew i did run apt-get update let me try the other one |
| 22:28.44 | tarzeau | swatikiss: i can't start X anymore either! :) |
| 22:28.53 | swatikiss | tarzeau : no, etch |
| 22:29.03 | Chance | stew Installed: (none) to both |
| 22:29.04 | tarzeau | swatikiss: even worse |
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| 22:29.16 | lesouvage | what is the best file to add the loading of a module into the start procedure. |
| 22:29.25 | tarzeau | lesouvage: /etc/modules |
| 22:29.48 | kreg_work | the man page for irconfig says "-promisc" is for enabling or disabling promiscuous mode. but how do you actually say the "disable" part? |
| 22:29.58 | Amarande | mmm drooly 46" LCD ... wish I had $5000 to spare |
| 22:30.17 | stew | Chance: i was more interested in candidate |
| 22:30.20 | lesouvage | tarzeau: I tried that but the result is not the same as doing in it from the prompt. The result is that it isn't working. |
| 22:30.40 | tarzeau | lesouvage: what do you do in the prompt exactly? |
| 22:30.58 | lesouvage | tarzeau: modprobe zaphfc |
| 22:31.00 | Chance | stew Candidate: 4:3.3.5-3 to the cpp and Candidate: 1:3.3.5-13 to gcc |
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| 22:31.05 | swatikiss | my error says "no screens detected" |
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| 22:31.28 | tarzeau | swatikiss: mine says stuff about libXau.so.6 |
| 22:31.44 | fanch | hello |
| 22:32.08 | mfrisch | swatikiss: I had similar problems is there a new kernel available, maybe udev isn't liking your versions |
| 22:32.27 | stew | Chance: then run "apt-get install cpp-3.3 gcc-3.3" |
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| 22:32.48 | dos000 | anyone can tell how to get rid of a dir that starts with --exclude ?? i do not know when i create it but now rm is thinking it is passed a wrong option :-( rm -rf --exclue*** |
| 22:33.00 | swatikiss | mfrisch the weird thing is that everything has been fine... and all of a sudden, I restart X and it freaks out |
| 22:33.19 | stew | Chance: are you *sure* that is your entire sources.list and you have run apt-get update since the last time you edited it? becuase i'm about 101% certain that gcc doesn't have broken dependencies in stable |
| 22:33.33 | mfrisch | swatikiss: you had to update something ;-) |
| 22:33.52 | stew | Chance: did you ever install any testing pacakges on this system? |
| 22:33.54 | Chance | stew i am sure i run apt-get update |
| 22:34.00 | Chance | stew yes i did |
| 22:34.09 | Chance | it had testing in sourcelist before |
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| 22:34.19 | swatikiss | mfrisch um, nope... i haven't updated anything in days |
| 22:34.37 | stew | Chance: oh, then you must either upgrade to testing or reinstall stable from scratch, upgrading is a one way street |
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| 22:34.44 | mfrisch | swatikiss: do you have hotplug purged?? |
| 22:34.50 | clarkf | Oh, this is wonderful. Now it is telling me "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", and I can't install anything without having to apt-get -f install, but it is stuck. Any way I can remove udev, or install udev, or something? |
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| 22:35.03 | stew | clarkf: /msg dpkg udev 2.6.12 |
| 22:35.27 | Chance | stew how can i change from testing to sarge withotuh having to reinstall debian |
| 22:35.36 | stew | Chance: you cannot |
| 22:35.43 | clarkf | Thank you, stew. |
| 22:35.48 | swatikiss | mfrisch what do you mean? |
| 22:36.05 | Chance | stew so now i have to keep going with testing ? |
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| 22:36.20 | stew | 17:34 < stew> Chance: oh, then you must either upgrade to testing or reinstall stable from scratch, upgrading is a one way street |
| 22:36.29 | dos000 | common .. i have no idea what to google even ... i need to escape the first caracters just missing the sintax |
| 22:36.32 | mfrisch | swatikiss: you have udev right..did you purge the hotplug package..dpkg -P hotplug |
| 22:36.40 | postel | stew: says who? i've downgraded a million times |
| 22:37.00 | stew | postel: how do you downgrade libc6? |
| 22:37.13 | lesouvage | tarzeau: is there another option to add a modprobe to the starting sequence? |
| 22:37.25 | swatikiss | mfrisch no, i don't believe soo |
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| 22:37.43 | tarzeau | lesouvage: not a better one |
| 22:37.53 | PupenoL | what program can I use to stress test hard disk (that may have hardware problems, I am tring to spot those problems) ? |
| 22:37.54 | postel | stew: it works, breaks things along but works |
| 22:38.01 | postel | stew: fire up a testbox and try it |
| 22:38.31 | tdn | Does there exist a way to create a kind of recursive md5sum or sha1sum for a folder with all its files and subfolders? |
| 22:38.33 | lesouvage | tarzeau: then something else must not be in place and causes problems. Thanks for the help. |
| 22:38.54 | Chance | stew |
| 22:38.58 | Deepa | DIE BITCHX! |
| 22:38.59 | Chance | ok upgraded to testing |
| 22:39.02 | Chance | now ? |
| 22:39.08 | swatikiss | brb |
| 22:39.11 | stew | Chance: install build-essential |
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| 22:40.08 | Evaso | What about realtime-lsm in debian kernel 2.6.15? |
| 22:40.11 | dn4 | does anyoen know where to get cheap wireless cards? |
| 22:40.29 | Chance | stew done |
| 22:40.43 | Chance | thanks |
| 22:40.50 | tarzeau | dn4: i think Guerin has a bunch of them with holes stabbed into them with scissors |
| 22:40.54 | tarzeau | dn4: very cheap! |
| 22:40.58 | tarzeau | Guerin: right? |
| 22:41.28 | streuner | dn4: pricewatch.com |
| 22:41.35 | dn4 | LOL hahaha |
| 22:41.42 | Chance | stew now i get lots of errors |
| 22:41.47 | Chance | when i try to compile |
| 22:41.53 | stew | oooh http://pdo.debian.net \o/ |
| 22:41.56 | mfrisch | !lol |
| 22:41.56 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:42.06 | stew | Chance: what are you trying to compile, and why? |
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| 22:42.29 | Chance | stew GeoIP-1.3.8 trying to compile |
| 22:42.39 | streuner | dn4: new or second hand? |
| 22:42.49 | Chance | reason another program needs it |
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| 22:43.35 | stew | !info geoip-bin testintg |
| 22:43.37 | stew | !info geoip-bin testing |
| 22:43.39 | dpkg | geoip-bin: (IP lookup command line tools that use the GeoIP library), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.14-2 (etch), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 22:43.54 | stew | !wayc Chance |
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| 22:43.54 | dpkg | Chance: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 22:44.23 | dn4 | streuner, either |
| 22:44.32 | stew | !pdo is also, the machine that hosts http://packages.debian.org has been overloaded, a temporary replacement can be found at http://pdo.debian.net |
| 22:44.32 | dpkg | ...but pdo is already something else... |
| 22:44.39 | stew | !pdo is also the machine that hosts http://packages.debian.org has been overloaded, a temporary replacement can be found at http://pdo.debian.net |
| 22:44.39 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 22:45.24 | swatikiss | i seem now to be able to run Xorg with the nv driver but not the nvidia driver... |
| 22:45.37 | tarzeau | swatikiss: #nvidia |
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| 22:45.46 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:45.49 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 22:46.16 | swatikiss | valdyn thansk |
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| 22:48.50 | grendelson | It seems that Debian Gnome user specific files are slightly different than "standard" so If I want to get a "default" gnome desktop what files do I remove or rename in my Home dir? |
| 22:49.14 | tarzeau | grendelson: remove .gnome and .gnome2 |
| 22:49.19 | GoatDevil | hello! how do i change the apt ftp server while its installing debian, i picked a slow one :( |
| 22:49.49 | grendelson | tarzeau: thanks I was heading inthat dir but wasn't sure if I needed to remove both - How about .gnome2_private? |
| 22:50.06 | tarzeau | grendelson: yeah remove them too |
| 22:50.21 | tarzeau | grendelson: and there's a few more, but i'm too lazy to look now. it's weekend |
| 22:50.24 | grendelson | tarzeau: So basically everything with .gnome in it:-) |
| 22:50.29 | tarzeau | grendelson: and i don't use gnome luckily |
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| 22:50.34 | tarzeau | grendelson: yes |
| 22:50.37 | TaSo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.47 | tarzeau | TaSo: yes |
| 22:50.58 | tarzeau | TaSo: but why save it in swf/mpg/avi/mov? |
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| 22:51.02 | tarzeau | TaSo: ttyrec ? |
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| 22:51.11 | TaSo | well I need one for windows AND linux |
| 22:51.17 | tarzeau | TaSo: ttyrec |
| 22:51.26 | TaSo | for linux? |
| 22:51.32 | rutski89 | screen likes to take control of the Ctrl key, this kills me when i try to use emacs, what should i do? |
| 22:51.33 | tarzeau | TaSo: it's not like linux and windows are the most exotic operating systems |
| 22:51.48 | grendelson | tarzeau: Do gconf anf gconfd have to do with gnome or are those a seperate app (I cant find a reference to those :-( |
| 22:51.54 | tarzeau | grendelson: yes, same shit |
| 22:52.04 | tarzeau | grendelson: gconf is the horrible nightmare shit of gnome! |
| 22:52.07 | grendelson | Probably gnome configurator :-) |
| 22:52.15 | tarzeau | grendelson: awwww it caused me so much pain! |
| 22:52.17 | grendelson | tarzeau: So your a great fan I see.... |
| 22:52.17 | blondie | rutski89: use vi instead, obviously! |
| 22:52.25 | tarzeau | grendelson: i'm the biggest gnome hater in history |
| 22:52.33 | swatikiss | ok, i did the nvidia one liner - it says that no nvidia graphics adapter can be found! |
| 22:52.34 | gunoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.34 | gunoo | modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables |
| 22:52.34 | gunoo | iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 22:52.35 | gunoo | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
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| 22:52.38 | stew | rutski89: screen shouldnt' be taking control of the ctrl key, do you hit ctrl-a a lot in emacs, you might wish to change the screen key from ctrl-a to something you use less in emacs |
| 22:52.39 | tarzeau | swatikiss: #nvidia |
| 22:52.39 | grendelson | tarzeau: I feel your pain -it's palpable |
| 22:52.50 | blondie | </unhelpful> |
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| 22:53.24 | grendelson | tarzeau: Short version - why so much angst - did it try to kill a loved one? |
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| 22:53.28 | GoatDevil | can anyone help me, can i stop apt while its installing debian to change its source ftp server? |
| 22:53.55 | grendelson | GoatDevil : I think if you restart install it will pick up where it was and you can pick a new ftp server (I think) |
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| 22:54.34 | tarzeau | grendelson: run gnome for more than 2 users and you can understand me |
| 22:54.41 | GoatDevil | worth trying.. its going at 20kbps ... gr :( |
| 22:54.50 | tarzeau | grendelson: do serious work, and you'll understand too |
| 22:54.54 | MB350 | wow thats slow |
| 22:54.59 | ribnitz | tarzeau: simultaneously? |
| 22:55.04 | tarzeau | grendelson: or major, or heck only minor updates... utter shit. superior crap |
| 22:55.10 | tarzeau | ribnitz: how does that matter? |
| 22:55.26 | tarzeau | GoatDevil: no |
| 22:55.27 | selutha | !find mysql/debian-start |
| 22:55.34 | ribnitz | tarzeau: well.. |
| 22:55.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql/debian-start' (1): (/etc/mysql/debian-start, /usr/share/mysql/debian-start.inc.sh) in misc/mysql-server-5.0. |
| 22:55.45 | nejucomo | How do people recommend burning CDs these days? The HOWTO suggests "cdrecord" that seems to require SCSI stuff... |
| 22:55.55 | tarzeau | nejucomo: 2.4 or 2.6 linux kernel? |
| 22:56.03 | ribnitz | tarzeau: you are still on the point: "X is the thing I use to poen my terminal windows in"? |
| 22:56.06 | tarzeau | nejucomo: cdrecord and cdrdao are my preferred way |
| 22:56.09 | De_Mon | I'm about to build a new 2.6 kernel, and stumbled upon this statement: Make sure you have gcc 2.95.3 available. |
| 22:56.17 | tarzeau | ribnitz: sorry but i don't get your question |
| 22:56.22 | grendelson | tarzeau: I always used WM and was happy, but then I needed to support otehrs so now my my wife and my son all have logins and it seems to run OK- I admit there have been major headaches when gdm would cahnge or we whave the ability to have multiple logins one day and then lose it the next - Ia ssued tha was from using testing... |
| 22:56.30 | De_Mon | does that really mean 3.0 or 4.0 are not viable? |
| 22:57.13 | grendelson | I still find myself dropping to F1 and openeing screen and multiple terminals when I just wasnt to get somethign done quick... |
| 22:57.13 | nejucomo | tarzeau, 2.6.13 |
| 22:57.45 | grendelson | well thanks for the assistance I'll wack it all and hopefully get back to default... |
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| 22:57.50 | ribnitz | tarzeau: You talked about serious work. That either implies your box is overpowered and you are wasting resources (on gnome, eg), or you choose a less demanding Desktop env. I remeber you being the latter cat. |
| 22:58.03 | tarzeau | grendelson: haha happened to me with a user tat needed help, i press terminal open in gnome it takes minutes, ctrl-alt-f1 done... |
| 22:58.16 | tarzeau | ribnitz: gnome is wasting resources. NOT me |
| 22:58.18 | delire | De_Mon: that seems very strange to me. |
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| 22:58.41 | tarzeau | ribnitz: *i* certainly don't use gnome. but pity we have it installed at work. and even more pity people use it |
| 22:58.44 | ribnitz | tarzeau: isnt that what I said? |
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| 22:59.02 | tarzeau | ribnitz: our default is fvwm, and luckily we have all of which the user can choose from |
| 22:59.05 | ribnitz | tarzeau: though amarok really rox. |
| 22:59.11 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you said it in a way i didn't understand. |
| 22:59.27 | nejucomo | Ever tried "ratpoison"? |
| 22:59.28 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i don't care as long as it doesn't break my fingers, or make me wait hours. |
| 22:59.37 | tarzeau | ribnitz: my preferences are window maker and amiwm |
| 22:59.45 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I use XFCE, but the two other devs at work use kde. |
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| 22:59.48 | genetix | not really 2.95.3 is the way kernel-dev approve |
| 22:59.58 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i find xfce just as horrible to use |
| 23:00.14 | ribnitz | tarzeau: it the click to lauch app approach. |
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| 23:00.42 | king_mike | Hi. Just setup my modem. It is really useful for I have a DSL line. So how to use it as a phone, to call people or receive calls (just as a phone :-) |
| 23:01.01 | ribnitz | tarzeau: not the start->click here to see the apps menu->choose application->application->launch approach. |
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| 23:01.22 | mohuhau | is security.debian.org sloooow now? |
| 23:01.43 | dondelelcaro | mohuhau: security.debian.org is a round robin; so it'd help if you told us which one you thought was slow |
| 23:01.52 | roler | how do I do a non grep? Meaning I can use a pipe| and show lines that don't match text? |
| 23:02.01 | stew | roler: grep -v |
| 23:02.16 | roler | thanks! |
| 23:02.32 | streuner | Hole:6 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/non-free Release [114B] |
| 23:02.32 | streuner | Es wurden 189kB in 4s geholt (43,2kB/s) |
| 23:03.17 | mohuhau | dondelelcaro: ohh, sorry. think it is this one: 128.101.80.133 |
| 23:04.06 | mohuhau | yes, its debian-mirror.cs.umn.edu (128.101.80.133) |
| 23:04.21 | kaviros | hi everybody |
| 23:04.38 | dondelelcaro | mohuhau: if it's really slow, just try reruning the apt-get; there are other mirrors out there. |
| 23:05.11 | mohuhau | dondelelcaro: i did, a lot faster now thanks :) |
| 23:05.14 | kaviros | i need some help please |
| 23:05.22 | ribnitz | !ask |
| 23:05.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:05.25 | benjamindees | king_mike, www.asterisk.org |
| 23:05.33 | mohuhau | i was downloading in under 1kb/s... |
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| 23:05.37 | king_mike | thanks |
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| 23:06.31 | swatikiss | nvidia-howto |
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| 23:06.40 | kaviros | i tried for first time knoppel version today and i liked very much but it didnt recignised my modem |
| 23:06.44 | ribnitz | Anyone here use amarok, is there a way to give it an order in wghich to search files? |
| 23:06.51 | kaviros | what can i do? |
| 23:07.00 | nejucomo | cdrecord complains that kernels newer than 2.5 have "unsettling issues", and appears to require SCSI. Is CD burning as convoluted as it was in 2000?! |
| 23:07.01 | swatikiss | nvidia-oneliner |
| 23:07.34 | stew | kaviros: what is knoppel? do you mean knoppix? |
| 23:07.48 | benjamindees | nejucomo, 2.6 should not require scsi |
| 23:07.53 | kaviros | yes is the greek version |
| 23:08.09 | stew | kaviros: ask in #knoppix, not here |
| 23:08.19 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 23:08.19 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 23:08.27 | benjamindees | kaviros, www.linmodems.org |
| 23:08.32 | pix|afk | re |
| 23:09.03 | ribnitz | nejucomo: cd burning works fine, (as of 2.6.7+). As of 2.6.8 ide-scsi is obsolete. |
| 23:09.04 | nejucomo | benjamindees, Hrm... Is "cdrecord" the wrong tool? The manpage begins with several paragraphs that look SCSI specific... |
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| 23:09.42 | ribnitz | nejucomo: there is cdrecord, and cdrdao as lowlevel tools. |
| 23:10.01 | kaviros | thanks benjamindees |
| 23:10.05 | ribnitz | nejucomo: cdrdao only does disk at once |
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| 23:10.29 | benjamindees | nejucomo, well, sarge comes with 2.4 by default, which requires scsi |
| 23:11.03 | benjamindees | nejucomo, I think you use dev=/dev/cdrom |
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| 23:11.23 | nejucomo | I'll try it. If that's the case the manpage needs to be updated... |
| 23:11.38 | ribnitz | nejucomo: you already installed? |
| 23:11.51 | benjamindees | nejucomo, it would appear so |
| 23:11.53 | ribnitz | nejucomo: if so get kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 23:12.49 | kaviros | which version is the best to use? |
| 23:12.59 | PupenoL | what program can I use to stress test or benchmark hard disk ? |
| 23:13.07 | nejucomo | I'm using a self-compiled 2.6.13. |
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| 23:13.46 | chaedaeX | PupenoL: bonnie++ |
| 23:13.48 | ribnitz | kaviros: version of what? |
| 23:13.59 | PupenoL | chaedaeX: thanks. |
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| 23:14.17 | kaviros | of debian |
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| 23:15.49 | stew | !karma bonnie |
| 23:15.49 | dpkg | bonnie has karma of 1 |
| 23:15.56 | stew | i'm supprised it's so low |
| 23:16.03 | stew | !bonnie++ |
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| 23:16.32 | benjamindees | PupenoL, badblocks |
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| 23:17.16 | kaviros | sarge is the version that i must download? |
| 23:17.36 | TaSo | Et is the newest |
| 23:17.39 | TaSo | Eche* |
| 23:17.41 | TaSo | or Ech |
| 23:17.45 | TaSo | I forget you you spell it |
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| 23:18.13 | stew | !d-i kaviros |
| 23:18.13 | dpkg | kaviros, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:18.27 | Matt-H | currently Sarge is stable, Etch is testing, Sid is unstable, so you want sarge |
| 23:19.16 | nejucomo | Grr... cdrecord dev=help says "Supported SCSI transports for this platform" then mentions a bunch, all of which are labelled unsupported. |
| 23:19.34 | nejucomo | ribnitz, You said ide-scsi is obsolete. What's the alternative? |
| 23:19.44 | stew | nejucomo: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:19.46 | nejucomo | Do I still do some kind of scsi emulation with cdrecord? |
| 23:19.59 | Coweater | no |
| 23:20.06 | nejucomo | As mentioned above: "2.6.13.1-sniffly". |
| 23:20.15 | clarkf | I am trying to checkinstall lame, and it keeps giving me a segmentation fault. "/var/tmp/qVnAFaTcHXQllrfdZMWH/installscript.sh: line 13: 16715 Segmentation fault mkdir -p "/usr/share/doc/lame-3.97"" I found a German thread on the topic, and it said to get the latest version, but that brings about the problem of packaging it, since they only have an i386 package. Is there any way I can work with the current debian version |
| 23:20.15 | clarkf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.15 | ribnitz | nejucomo: ATA:... or ATAPI:.. |
| 23:20.19 | malex | Is there a program that tells the encoding of a text file? |
| 23:20.29 | stew | nejucomo: then no, don't use ide-scsi / scsi-emulation with 2.6 kernels, just use something like "dev=/dev/hdc" |
| 23:20.34 | ribnitz | nejucomo: and SATA gets mapped to sdX.. |
| 23:20.45 | stew | nejucomo: make sure ide-scsi isn't loaded and ide-cd is |
| 23:20.49 | Coweater | malex: try file |
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| 23:21.06 | malex | Coweater: doesn't work as needed |
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| 23:23.16 | nejucomo | Hrm... It appears there's no ide-cd module in /lib/modules... Is there a way I can detect if it is compiled in? (A coworker compiled this kernel...) |
| 23:23.30 | nejucomo | brb. |
| 23:24.34 | eeyore- | clarkf: ain't debian a pain in the ass when it can't figure out this sort of issue? :-) |
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| 23:24.50 | eeyore- | clarkf: you might have to rely on "dpkg" command, without using apt-get front-end |
| 23:24.56 | Mole | how do i use "ls" to only list todays files in a dir ? |
| 23:25.12 | eeyore- | Mole: ls | grep, or, find :-) |
| 23:25.31 | Mole | mkay :P |
| 23:25.35 | Irrumator | nejucomo: the config file for the current running kernel is available in /proc/config.gz |
| 23:25.39 | Irrumator | You can find out there |
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| 23:27.18 | eeyore- | i hope he knew i was talking about the "find" command |
| 23:27.31 | eeyore- | find / -daystart -ctime 0 -type f |
| 23:27.48 | eeyore- | might be superfluous, but hey, works for me :-) |
| 23:28.00 | kaviros | are there virus for linux? is safer thn windows? |
| 23:28.31 | benjamindees | kaviros, there are, but only a few |
| 23:28.32 | MB350 | wow |
| 23:28.32 | eeyore- | kaviros: nothing is safe if you have a PEBCAK tendency |
| 23:28.55 | MB350 | what OS isn't safer than windows? |
| 23:29.24 | strider | kaviros: are you trolling? ;) |
| 23:29.40 | kaviros | what is pebcak? |
| 23:29.51 | MB350 | google.com |
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| 23:31.46 | benjamindees | kaviros, he means Linux is safe if you take responsibility for securing and updating it |
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| 23:33.14 | kaviros | so i don need any antivirus |
| 23:33.24 | rutski89 | how do i get the glibc man pages? |
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| 23:34.28 | benjamindees | rutski89, glibc-doc perhaps? |
| 23:35.13 | benjamindees | kaviros, I wouldn't worry about antivirus |
| 23:35.16 | rutski89 | benjamindees: nope, i just found it; manpages-dev |
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| 23:35.45 | eeyore- | kaviros: it's highly unlikely to have a "virus" for linux, since there would be no implicit mechanism for it to propagate. to propagate, a computer virus would have to have elevated privileges, and unless you explicitly happen to execute the virus as root, the damage would be limited to the user's account, and/or files he/she has write access to. that doesn't mean that the virus couldn't take advantage of known local-root exploits |
| 23:35.49 | geckosen1tor | how do I allow root login through telnet |
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| 23:36.30 | benjamindees | geckosen1tor, take spoon, remove frontal lobe, then use ssh instead |
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| 23:36.41 | geckosen1tor | seriously I need to do this |
| 23:36.46 | theD3viL | what is different in 3.1 and 3.1 r1? |
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| 23:37.11 | eeyore- | kaviros: but then again, the threat would likely be limited to the local machine. there would be no mechanism for the virus to propagate to other machines, unless you again do something PEBCAK'ish that would cause such to happen. it's plausible that a "smart" virus could do something like changing your NIS password or ssh identity and transmit that way, but it's kind of unlikely |
| 23:37.13 | stew | eeyore-: i don't see why a virus needs root priveleges to propagate |
| 23:37.40 | eeyore- | stew: well, ok, it doesn't, but that kind of limits the damage doesn't it? |
| 23:37.59 | eeyore- | stew: it wouldn't be a very spectacular virus :-) |
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| 23:38.58 | benjamindees | geckosen1tor, /etc/telnet.conf perhaps |
| 23:39.00 | stew | eeyore-: a virus wouldn't, for instance need root privileges in order to become part of a bot-net/zombie-net whatever |
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| 23:39.20 | eeyore- | kaviros: keep in mind, some versions of solaris has been known to contain many local root exploits :-) theoretically those could be used by virus |
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| 23:40.03 | valdyn | eeyore-: every os has plenty local root exploits |
| 23:40.04 | eeyore- | stew: what would such an unprivileged bot-net do? |
| 23:40.22 | stew | eeyore-: send spam, run scams, participate in DDOSs |
| 23:40.26 | benjamindees | eeyore-, randomly corrupt important files |
| 23:40.34 | Amarande | eeyore: could be intermediate trace-obfuscation layer for a DDoS, but that's about all I can think of |
| 23:40.40 | overnout | Hello, Did something change in debian lirc package? After update when i try to restart the daemons ...i have the error message "Starting lirc daemon: lircdDriver `default' not supported. Supported drivers: null lircmdlircmd 0.7.2: could not connect to socket lircmd 0.7.2: Connection refused" |
| 23:41.01 | theD3viL | what is different in 3.1 and 3.1 r1? |
| 23:41.09 | stew | eeyore-: run keyloggers for the account it compromised |
| 23:41.23 | valdyn | theD3viL: security fixes and fixes for serious policy voilations etc |
| 23:41.25 | Azar | first time I hear about rdiff-backup does that work with Debian as well? |
| 23:41.30 | overnout | im running testing |
| 23:41.38 | stew | theD3viL: some security fixes (which are available as updates to 3.1/3.1r0a as well) |
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| 23:41.51 | Amarande | heh, infrared remote control |
| 23:41.52 | romulo | anyone here using ati drivers with mobility? |
| 23:41.56 | eeyore- | stew: keylogger is plausible, but it'd have to take into account X vs non-X |
| 23:41.57 | valdyn | theD3viL: and fixes for some serious bugs |
| 23:41.58 | Amarande | I saw 'ircd' and was about to recommend you try hybrid instead :) |
| 23:42.02 | Amarande | but I don't think that would do you much good heh |
| 23:42.05 | eeyore- | stew: and i think it'd only work for X anyway |
| 23:42.05 | tarzeau | eeyore-: uberkey? |
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| 23:42.15 | overnout | Amarande: :D |
| 23:42.23 | valdyn | theD3viL: no feature enhancements, if you're askign for that... |
| 23:42.34 | overnout | no it wouldnt |
| 23:42.35 | tarzeau | !uberkey |
| 23:42.36 | geckosen1tor | benjamindees: thanks |
| 23:42.48 | tarzeau | dpkg uberkey is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/uberkey/ |
| 23:42.48 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 23:42.56 | valdyn | theD3viL: you could just read the release notes yourself, btw |
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| 23:43.08 | geckosen1tor | i'm using minicom to a computer in an airplane to ssh through 3 hubs to a foreighn computer to attach a screen running irssi |
| 23:43.16 | geckosen1tor | no wonder my terminal is screwed up |
| 23:43.39 | eeyore- | losing 30% of keys? interfere with ps/2 mouse? |
| 23:43.41 | Azar | how to do a backup to a CD? |
| 23:43.44 | theD3viL | valdyn: tnx...burning now r1 anyway...when is best time to change source.list to unstable ? |
| 23:43.52 | valdyn | theD3viL: none |
| 23:43.55 | Azar | !backup |
| 23:43.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest ... |
| 23:44.02 | tarzeau | eeyore-: works fine enough for me |
| 23:44.11 | theD3viL | valdyn: :) Why not ;P |
| 23:44.20 | theD3viL | valdyn: stable is realy old. |
| 23:44.21 | Amarande | !glak elves |
| 23:44.28 | valdyn | theD3viL: 6 months |
| 23:44.29 | eeyore- | hmm. uberkeys = must be root to run ;-) |
| 23:44.35 | theD3viL | valdyn: yea. |
| 23:44.44 | theD3viL | must install now...later :) |
| 23:45.03 | benjamindees | Azar, there is cdbackup, but I recommend you test it out well before relying on it |
| 23:45.05 | ISV-Kran | but unstable is very challenging for newbies like me |
| 23:45.08 | tarzeau | eeyore-: yeah what did you think? |
| 23:45.24 | valdyn | !unstable |
| 23:45.24 | dpkg | i guess unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 23:45.34 | eeyore- | i could see why it would lose keys ... on a slow machine it wouldn't be polling fast enough |
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| 23:46.47 | eeyore- | plus under load it might not get scheduled anyway ... not exactly a "clean" keylogger |
| 23:47.31 | haerq | hello |
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| 23:48.04 | haerq | i have problem with openpty could some one maybe help? |
| 23:48.55 | valdyn | !tell haerq -about ask |
| 23:49.09 | Azar | benjamindees: I never did a backup and I have no idea how to do it... |
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| 23:49.57 | valdyn | Azar: backup what? how much data? |
| 23:50.34 | eeyore- | Azar: simplest backup you can do is "tar cvzf backup-file.tgz /path-to-files" |
| 23:50.47 | eeyore- | Azar: and put the resulting .tgz file on a usb keychain or something :-) |
| 23:50.57 | Azar | valdyn not much just my settings like X, openbox, xmms, and such.. ofcourse the system device drivers too.. |
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| 23:51.18 | eeyore- | why would you want to back up "system device drivers"? |
| 23:51.25 | Azar | eeyore I have a program that does backups but I do not know how to put them on a CD then reinstall them |
| 23:51.27 | beardy | No such thing. |
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| 23:51.40 | beardy | Azar: cdrecord |
| 23:51.53 | Azar | eeyore the whole configuration so I do not have to compile over and over at reinstall |
| 23:52.27 | obscuresoul | hello, how could i have transparent windows? |
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| 23:53.01 | tabris|away | try using glass. |
| 23:53.05 | haerq | I have problem connecting to debian server with ssh. Debian testing/unstable kernel 2.6.12. When I try to ssh to server I get "Server refuses to allocate PTY" on client side and in syslog "sshd: error: openpty: no such file or directory" |
| 23:53.06 | tabris|away | I hear you can use some plastics too. |
| 23:53.12 | benjamindees | obscuresoul, that is a feature that would exist in the unstable branch of debian only; and you're on your own |
| 23:53.15 | valdyn | Azar: tar up things, make an iso image containing those tarballs with mkisofs, burn the image with cdrecord |
| 23:53.58 | Azar | valdyn ok I will try to find out how to make iso images |
| 23:54.13 | Azar | proshield does backups for me, I hope I can find where it puts them |
| 23:54.19 | eeyore- | Azar: here's what you do ... buy another hard drive, make an exact image of your current drive ... problem solved |
| 23:54.25 | eeyore- | Azar: no reinstall, just dd :-) |
| 23:54.33 | valdyn | Azar: ok, thats easy enough, i think the easiest thing to do wrong is to forget to preserve permissions when taring up as user |
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| 23:55.44 | eeyore- | Azar: that's what i do for my buddy's dad. he's a windows user, and a novice one at that. just made a tiny debian partition. he just has to boot to debian and pick "back up" or "restore" from a menu, and off it goes |
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| 23:55.54 | grinder | is downloading packages to a debian build usually slow? |
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| 23:56.10 | dondelelcaro | grinder: that's a function of your pipe. |
| 23:56.10 | valdyn | grinder: what 'build' ? |
| 23:56.23 | Azar | at /etc/proshield/BACKUPDIRECTORIES I only see /root/ /home/azar /etc/ and /usr/lo |
| 23:56.25 | grinder | I've got a 10 meg pipe |
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| 23:56.36 | Azar | I have no idea if they are zipped, tarred or iso |
| 23:56.54 | grinder | just installed debian-31r1 i386 |
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| 23:56.56 | g0bl1n | how do i figuire out what ethernet card i have, my debian installation is not detecting it |
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| 23:57.12 | valdyn | g0bl1n: have you tried 'lspci' ? |
| 23:57.16 | grinder | my d/l speed is 24k/second |
| 23:57.28 | g0bl1n | im in windows now because it wouldnt install |
| 23:57.31 | valdyn | grinder: apt-cache show netselect-apt |
| 23:57.35 | Azar | I wish I could understand all this tar/zip/iso and burning to CD |
| 23:57.44 | Anders | how do i install svn in debian, so i get a /var/lib/svn folder? i've got it working once before, but it doesn't work now.. i have no clue |
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| 23:57.53 | valdyn | Azar: ask what you dont understand |
| 23:57.55 | Anders | i tried to google but i found nothing |
| 23:58.09 | Alam_Debian | subversion? |
| 23:58.10 | g0bl1n | Azar: download the iso and use something like magic iso to burn the cd |
| 23:58.13 | Anders | yeah, subversion |
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| 23:58.27 | Azar | download what? |
| 23:58.36 | valdyn | g0bl1n: that wont help him backing up his data |
| 23:58.43 | Alam_Debian | so "svn help" don't work? |
| 23:58.43 | g0bl1n | oh my apologies |
| 23:58.56 | Azar | I have cdrecord, I will try to learn from there |
| 23:58.58 | Anders | Alam_Debian, that might help me, thanks |
| 23:58.59 | g0bl1n | how do i figure out what ethernet card is installed, from windows? |
| 23:59.21 | Matt-H | g0bl1n: Device Manager? |
| 23:59.28 | valdyn | g0bl1n: this is not a windows support channel |
| 23:59.29 | grinder | g0bl1n: right-click "my computer" -> properties -> device manager |
| 23:59.49 | g0bl1n | valdyn: only here because my debian installation wont install |
| 23:59.54 | g0bl1n | ok ill check |
