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| 00:00.27 | jeanseb | xam: I installed debian last week.... |
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| 00:01.00 | xam | jeanseb: no problem, it is easy enough to learn to maintain it |
| 00:01.12 | akusarujin | anyone in here using cricket, at the moment? |
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| 00:02.24 | Aid` | does anyone here know how to start quake2 in a new x session |
| 00:03.30 | Siv0x | is it possible to play F.E.A.R and Call Of Duty 2 on linux? |
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| 00:07.32 | Corpseblade | Hello, does anyone here know a bit about iptables and port forwarding? Im having some issues forwarding a port to a different machine |
| 00:07.32 | xam | Siv0x: if you pay for the Cedega software. then you can play at least Call of Duty. I don't know wether the (free) Wine work as well ... |
| 00:07.45 | zenwryly | cpufreqd or powernowd? |
| 00:07.51 | Siv0x | umm, were do i get this? |
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| 00:08.26 | xam | Siv0x: http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/ ... www.transgaming.com |
| 00:08.28 | akusarujin | Siv0x, from TransGaming's website |
| 00:08.32 | bunga | heeeeeellp |
| 00:08.33 | bunga | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7345 |
| 00:08.36 | bunga | see my errror |
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| 00:09.13 | xam | !topicsmite bunga |
| 00:09.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bunga. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:09.27 | amphi | n/topic |
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| 00:10.02 | Siv0x | after i download this, i can play call of duty 2 ? |
| 00:10.05 | brendan_ | hello, i am creating a custom debian cd, i used apt-move sync to get a mirror and then coppied the dists and pool directories onto my cd image, however the udebs for the installer are not in the archive. Anyone know how i can get the debian installer udebs into my archive? |
| 00:10.30 | atula | hi everyone. I have been trying "sudo apt-get update", but I get the error "W: couldn't stat source package list "http://security.debian.org updates/main Packages ...." how do I fix my source list to make it work |
| 00:10.45 | xam | Siv0x: you didn't say Call of Duty _2_ before! |
| 00:11.03 | xam | !topicsmite atula |
| 00:11.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon atula. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:11.04 | Siv0x | Siv0x is it possible to play F.E.A.R and Call Of Duty 2 on linux? |
| 00:11.07 | Siv0x | yes i did |
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| 00:12.38 | jeanseb | ok it worked. Thanks |
| 00:12.46 | xam | Siv0x: no, you said say Call of Duty. That works. but it seems version 2 doesn't (yet) |
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| 00:13.10 | Siv0x | dude |
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| 00:13.14 | Siv0x | scroll up |
| 00:13.17 | drcurl | hi |
| 00:13.18 | Siv0x | i said call of duty 2 |
| 00:13.27 | drcurl | is lame available under debian |
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| 00:13.40 | wt | drcurl: externallly |
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| 00:13.56 | xam | Siv0x: sorry, I stand corrected |
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| 00:13.57 | drcurl | wt, what do you mean by externallly |
| 00:14.19 | atula | xam: I was wondering, since when did Debian use a new style of updating? I haven't done antyhing with debian for a while.... |
| 00:14.23 | rudenstam | I remember using a program that send instructions to the cpu and verified that it didn't miscalculate anything but I can't remember what it's called.. some cpu stress/burning program.. |
| 00:14.43 | Siv0x | ah |
| 00:14.56 | The00Outlaw | anyone know how to install xfree86 from text console? mine says it was never installed |
| 00:14.58 | xam | drcurl: yes, even before it was available on windows ... but it is not in debian, you have to compile it yourself or add an apt source |
| 00:15.04 | atula | xam: I'm actually using the "stable" version of debian... |
| 00:15.18 | xam | atula: not so long ago ... |
| 00:15.47 | atula | xam: I can still use apt-get upgrade and update on one of my debian box |
| 00:16.17 | atula | xam: only on a specific box that I have problem with updating |
| 00:16.20 | wt | drcurl: it means that there are external respositories that have it |
| 00:16.34 | drcurl | xam, wt, ok |
| 00:16.36 | wt | drcurl: there are risks with distributing it |
| 00:16.45 | xam | atula: yes, you only have to change /etc/apt/sources.list and install some public keys with 'apt-key add- first |
| 00:16.50 | bunga | hey |
| 00:16.58 | adrakoa | The00Outlaw i think it's better now install xorg... but you can search apt-cache search xserver-xfree86.. after apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:16.58 | wt | drcurl: technically, you need a license to encode mp3s |
| 00:17.08 | drcurl | ok |
| 00:17.44 | bunga | how to add key ? |
| 00:17.47 | bunga | ?? |
| 00:18.05 | xam | bunga: read the /topic |
| 00:18.06 | atula | xam: okay. I'm just wondering why two boxes with same version (stable) of Debian has an uncommon problem between them. I do updates on a box more often than other... can that be the reason? |
| 00:18.47 | xam | atula: might be that the one got a newer version of 'apt' installed ... |
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| 00:20.02 | bunga | # apt-key add 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F <== with this command ? |
| 00:20.16 | bunga | pg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update <== i type like this error |
| 00:20.19 | atula | xam: hm... nope. same version |
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| 00:21.00 | bunga | gpg: iobuf_flush failed on close: file write error |
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| 00:22.54 | opnsrc | Now my sound doesn't work under root either |
| 00:23.11 | xam | bunga: strange ... |
| 00:23.15 | solidgroove | to get sound working do you need to recompile the kernel? |
| 00:23.21 | solidgroove | or insmod something |
| 00:23.35 | xam | argllll, the wiki is b0rked, no space left on device ... |
| 00:23.51 | bunga | xam have any idea ? i'm searching on google now |
| 00:24.14 | matadon | Here's an odd problem: I'd like to redirect say, port 2222 on a local machine to a different port on a remote machine on a different subnet, so that I could, say, telnet to port 2222 (on the local) and have that passed through to the remote. Maybe with netcat, or stunnel somehow? |
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| 00:24.38 | opnsrc | I had it working under opnsrc before but now it doesn't. So I logged in as root and added opnsrc to the group voice. Logged back into opnsrc and it seemed to fix the problem (in opnsrc). Rebooted and now it doesn't work under opnsrc or root. The speaker shows up on the bottom right, the volume is all the way up, the players act as if they're playing the music, but I hear nothing. |
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| 00:24.48 | opnsrc | (the sound works fine when I boot to Win98SE) |
| 00:25.01 | xam | bunga: you can try to download the key from the debian homepage and add it with 'apt-key' ... perhaps this works |
| 00:25.28 | adrakoa | opnsrc do you haave alsa-utils??? |
| 00:25.38 | opnsrc | let me check |
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| 00:25.47 | mere | excuse-me, but i am looking for documentation about how to setup ALSA/JACK on debian, without luck. could i get some help here? |
| 00:25.48 | bunga | xam give that complet site |
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| 00:26.05 | opnsrc | No, should I install it? |
| 00:26.23 | adrakoa | opnsrc yes, after probe with alsaconf |
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| 00:26.54 | mere | why do i have a feeling i am being ignored whenever i come....? |
| 00:27.12 | bunga | mere LoL |
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| 00:27.13 | dondelelcaro | mere: what in particular about it? |
| 00:27.17 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 00:27.24 | opnsrc | But I don't understand why it would work from before but not now |
| 00:27.25 | opnsrc | Thanks though |
| 00:27.41 | mere | well... whenever i run jackd -d alsa, the sound just stops working. |
| 00:27.45 | grim76 | can anyone recommend a decent us mirror for a net installation? |
| 00:28.11 | Wowbagger_ | Having trouble getting sound. System detects AC97 and installs modules, but esd won't start because there is no /dev/dsp. What am I missing? (This is for gnome) |
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| 00:28.20 | bunga | xam ? |
| 00:28.29 | dondelelcaro | mere: anything that is using alsa directly won't be able to work when jack is running unless it connects through jack. |
| 00:28.35 | dondelelcaro | Wowbagger_: why are you running esd? |
| 00:28.42 | mere | hm. |
| 00:28.56 | mere | well, i am trying jack for rosegarden, really. |
| 00:29.01 | dondelelcaro | (or you have a multiplexing soundcard) |
| 00:29.25 | Wowbagger_ | dondelelcaro: Somewhere google brought me told me to... but I'm willing to believe it was wrong. :) What should I be doing? |
| 00:29.30 | atula | xam: okay. I read a few official documents... doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me... |
| 00:29.32 | opnsrc | You know what |
| 00:29.40 | opnsrc | I just found out that there is a volume control option in the speaker and they're all turned down |
| 00:29.41 | opnsrc | Heh |
| 00:29.47 | opnsrc | Thanks |
| 00:29.49 | atula | xam: where should I start? should I fix my source list first? |
| 00:29.51 | bunga | hey |
| 00:29.56 | bunga | can help about this one |
| 00:29.57 | relic | atula, haha, a lot of sense |
| 00:29.57 | bunga | gpg: [stdout]: write error: Broken pipe |
| 00:29.58 | bunga | gpg: iobuf_flush failed on close: file write error |
| 00:30.06 | mere | however, right after enabling the server and trying 'rosegardensequencer' it says this: JackDriver::initialiseAudio - JACK server not running |
| 00:30.06 | mere | ALSA lib seq_hw.c:455:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: file or directory not found |
| 00:30.06 | dondelelcaro | Wowbagger_: there's rarely a reason to bother with esd; just have things use alsa directly |
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| 00:30.41 | dondelelcaro | mere: are you using udev? |
| 00:30.44 | opnsrc | Wow, unlike MS WIndows, The Linux one actually has a scroll bar so you can scroll through all of them. GENIUS!!! |
| 00:30.50 | mere | dondelelcaro, i suspect so... |
| 00:30.55 | opnsrc | (common sense, stupid MS can't figure it out |
| 00:31.00 | mere | dondelelcaro, and unstable |
| 00:31.01 | Wowbagger_ | dondelelcaro: In gnome desktop->preferences->sound, I should not have the "enable sound server startup" checked? |
| 00:31.05 | adrakoa | opnsrc cool :) |
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| 00:31.15 | MrPrimate | has anyone here used shfs ? |
| 00:31.22 | opnsrc | Thanks |
| 00:31.32 | mere | dondelelcaro, yes, udev is installed |
| 00:31.51 | bunga | hoi hoi hoi |
| 00:32.01 | dondelelcaro | mere: udev should be creating it if alsa has been loaded appropriately; MAKEDEV does the right thing at least |
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| 00:32.45 | mere | hmm... |
| 00:32.52 | opnsrc | Ok it works now. Thanks |
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| 00:33.07 | mere | well, sound just works if jack is not working... and alsacfg didn't output anything wrong |
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| 00:33.47 | alex15 | hi |
| 00:34.35 | brendan_ | is there a way to get apt-move to copy udebs? |
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| 00:35.09 | atula | hi. I am using apt version 0.5.28.6 in stable and I'm having trouble with getting updates... because of secure apt- issues.. I guess. |
| 00:35.11 | mere | dondelelcaro, is there anything i should do? |
| 00:35.26 | atula | what link should I put into my source to get it to work now? |
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| 00:37.05 | bunga | gee |
| 00:37.06 | chealer | atula: really? what kind of trouble? |
| 00:37.11 | bunga | can help me ? |
| 00:37.19 | bunga | gpg: [stdout]: write error: Broken pipe |
| 00:37.19 | bunga | gpg: iobuf_flush failed on close: file write error |
| 00:37.32 | relic | !tell me about gee |
| 00:39.17 | atula | the error is: "W:couldn't stat srouce package list http://security.debian.org updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/sercurity.debian.org_stable_dists_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" where do I start to fix this? |
| 00:39.37 | drcurl | It's a shame that everyone only talk about Ubuntu... I'm a former Slack user, which switch to Ubuntu and was very disapointed. Now, I rediscover Debian and it's much easier to use now than it was under woody |
| 00:39.38 | atula | srouce==source |
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| 00:40.43 | plugwash | afaict ubuntu was a reaction to debians glacial release process |
| 00:41.02 | atula | the error is: "W:couldn't stat srouce package list http://security.debian.org updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/sercurity.debian.org_stable_dists_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" where do I start to fix this? |
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| 00:41.20 | AlexW | when i run startkde |
| 00:41.24 | AlexW | i get the following error |
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| 00:41.29 | AlexW | unable to open display '' |
| 00:41.35 | AlexW | how do i configure the displays? |
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| 00:42.15 | The00Outlaw | -_- debian wont load out of text console.... |
| 00:42.17 | relic | hi |
| 00:42.26 | atula | abrotman: hi. you helped me last time I had a problem.. so I was wondering if you have sometime to help me again |
| 00:42.35 | AlexW | so how do i get it out of text console? |
| 00:42.40 | chealer | AlexW: X is probably unable to start. check its logs |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | atula: i did? |
| 00:42.45 | atula | abrotman: I have this error when I try to update. "directory)" where do I start to fix this? |
| 00:42.45 | atula | [19:41] * AlexW has joined #debian |
| 00:42.45 | atula | [19:41] <AlexW> when i run startkde |
| 00:42.45 | atula | [19:41] <AlexW> i get the following error |
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| 00:42.47 | AlexW | i want it to go into kde automatically wehn i boot |
| 00:42.54 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:43.10 | abrotman | atula: what's the error? |
| 00:43.12 | lith | how do i enable apache 1.3 to run instead of 2? |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:43.14 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 00:43.18 | abrotman | lith: install it ? |
| 00:43.19 | atula | abrotman: W:couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/sercurity.debian.org_stable_dists_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 00:43.30 | dondelelcaro | atula: you've mispelled security |
| 00:43.39 | bunga | gpg: Total number processed: 1 |
| 00:43.39 | bunga | gpg: unchanged: 1 |
| 00:43.40 | bunga | bash: sudo: command not found |
| 00:43.40 | bunga | gpg: [stdout]: write error: Broken pipe |
| 00:43.40 | bunga | gpg: iobuf_flush failed on close: file write error |
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| 00:43.42 | lith | abrotman: so just install apache 1 and it will uninstall 2? |
| 00:43.42 | foobared | atula: tried apt-get update ? |
| 00:43.43 | xam | atula: well, edit you sources.list and replace 'security.debian.org' with 'http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing' |
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| 00:44.01 | atula | xam: I don't want it to become "testing" version |
| 00:44.03 | oigres | Does anyone know a good document (or deb) that describes how to set up multiple wireless connections for a laptop? One for coffee shop, one for bus, one for work, etc. The idea is to bring up the interface automatically once one writes the ESSID and Key. |
| 00:44.05 | mere | think the way to go is just give up rosegarden........ |
| 00:44.16 | mere | and try using some similar for windows. sad. |
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| 00:44.24 | abrotman | lith: or you could uninstall apache2? |
| 00:44.27 | AlexW | how do i configure the xserver |
| 00:44.28 | xam | atula: errmm, wait .. taht one is for testing/etch |
| 00:44.28 | oigres | BTW, I've looked at whereami. Not bad, but not too automatic anyway! |
| 00:44.32 | atula | xam: I mean... changing the source to testing and do apt-get upgrade would work... but I'm very particular about the thing... |
| 00:44.43 | dondelelcaro | oigres: man 5 interfaces; have some examples; I personally set it up in a similar manner, and just use sudo ifup wireless=homewlan; etc. |
| 00:44.44 | atula | I need it to stay "stable" |
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| 00:45.14 | abrotman | atula: paste your sources somewhere |
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| 00:45.56 | sbk | This is not a debian question at all, but maybe someone has some info on this -- is it true that every valid unicode character has a unique utf-8 encoding? |
| 00:46.00 | oigres | dondelelcaro: Right now I have scripts using interfaces! Is sort of automatic, but not too much! Tx anyway! |
| 00:46.07 | mere | dondelelcaro, is there nothing i can do? i am not a sound-in-linux specialist. i don't see anything wrong with alsa, tbe basic works well, so i don't know if it needs any special setting to work with jack or whatever. is there anything i need to do in order to get this working? :/ |
| 00:46.23 | The00Outlaw | any1 know how i can get out of text conole? |
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| 00:46.54 | foobared | The00Outlaw: ^D ? |
| 00:47.03 | The00Outlaw | i tried "gdm" and "kdm" |
| 00:47.04 | dondelelcaro | oigres: well, you can make it even more automatic if you want; there are examples there that show how a script can be run which selects the specific network to use. |
| 00:47.06 | xam | atula: well, if you run stable your old entry should still work (deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free) |
| 00:47.16 | bunga | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 00:47.16 | bunga | F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 00:47.18 | atula | abrotman: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main [enter] deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main [enter] deb http://security.debian.org/stable updates main |
| 00:47.24 | dondelelcaro | mere: do you have /dev/snd/seq? do you have the alsa sequencer loaded? |
| 00:47.31 | dondelelcaro | bunga: /topic |
| 00:47.43 | bunga | i'm read that fucking topic |
| 00:47.47 | bunga | and get this error |
| 00:47.55 | The00Outlaw | and it says that Xfree86 was never installed |
| 00:47.57 | xam | bunga: did you also look here: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 00:47.57 | The00Outlaw | -_- |
| 00:48.09 | oigres | dondelelcaro: I've checked those as well. Tx! I just wanted to know whether there was already something very simple :=) |
| 00:48.10 | dondelelcaro | bunga: then use the paste bot to paste the exact command you ran along with the output from that command. |
| 00:48.15 | dondelelcaro | oigres: it is very simple. |
| 00:48.18 | mere | dondelelcaro, no, /dev/snd/seq doesn't exist. |
| 00:48.40 | xam | atula: there is no 'stable' for security.debian.org ... |
| 00:49.04 | oigres | dondelelcaro: OK! |
| 00:49.05 | atula | abrotman: I have been trying to get "libgd" to install... but it would not... then I did apt-get update... didn't let me... then I tried apt-get upgrade... a load of stuff get upgraded... then in the end... it saids that error and "urged" me to do run apt-get update again... and I end up here |
| 00:49.06 | foobared | atula: it's deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 00:49.50 | atula | I have not touched the source list at all |
| 00:50.00 | atula | I mean.. it has stayed the same way it has always been |
| 00:50.01 | abrotman | !info libgd sarge |
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| 00:50.17 | Wowbagger_ | What is the difference between linux-source-xxx and linux-tree-xxx? |
| 00:50.35 | typewriter | does anyone know what linux uses to host an access point? |
| 00:51.09 | dondelelcaro | Wowbagger_: it's just a meta packages that the other packages use as a build dependency. |
| 00:51.13 | abrotman | atula: apparently there is no libgd in sarge .. it must be under another name |
| 00:51.32 | dondelelcaro | typewriter: iptables, wireless-tools, and a kernel with appropriate modules. |
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| 00:51.43 | mkrufky | Im experiencing a VERY strange bug on two of my machines in gnome...... it started yesterday, on both machines -- i did not upgrade any software or anything at all ....... the problem is: once i click on a first for the first time, after logon, gmone will not allow me to focus to another window |
| 00:51.50 | atula | abrotman: yeah. but I don't even want to think about that yet. I just want it to update for now haha |
| 00:51.51 | dondelelcaro | !info libgd2-xpm |
| 00:51.53 | mkrufky | debian/testing on both boxes |
| 00:51.58 | dpkg | libgd2-xpm: (GD Graphics Library version 2), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.0.33-3 (sid), Packaged size: 189 kB, Installed size: 568 kB |
| 00:52.11 | Wowbagger_ | dondelelcaro: What I need to do is be able to build a third party module. linux-headers seems to be missing something it needs... so I figured I'd build a new kernel (something that might be worthwhile anyway?). |
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| 00:52.17 | mkrufky | i am a kernel developer -- my first guess was a regression in2.6.15, so i reverted to 2.6.14, same problem occurs |
| 00:52.44 | abrotman | atula: perhaps libgd2 ? |
| 00:52.55 | atula | lemme try that |
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| 00:53.14 | deathmas | sup ppl |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | nope .. seems dondelelcaro got it |
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| 00:53.24 | dondelelcaro | Wowbagger_: you've got linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed? |
| 00:53.30 | Wowbagger_ | YEs. |
| 00:53.32 | mkrufky | has anyone heard of this bug that i meantioned above?? or am i in the wrong chat room for this>? |
| 00:53.34 | mere | dondelelcaro, how do i get alsa sequencer working, as it seems to be not working? |
| 00:53.35 | nkuttler | typewriter: what do you mean? |
| 00:53.56 | typewriter | i want to turn my computer in a access point |
| 00:53.57 | deathmas | can anyone help I am running hack9 livecd installed to hard drive but need help configuring and getting packages to install |
| 00:54.01 | typewriter | WAP |
| 00:54.03 | Wowbagger_ | The complaint is that a .config in the /usr/src/linux-headers.../scripts is missing (scripts/Makefile.modpost complains about it) |
| 00:54.23 | deathmas | unless a real debian install can update my system |
| 00:54.26 | xam | atula: mhhh, http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/ shows that there is a stable (again). I could have sworn it was gone last time I checked (a couple of months back) |
| 00:54.40 | nkuttler | typewriter: all i need to do that is the wireless-tools package. depends on your card i guess. |
| 00:54.51 | dondelelcaro | deathmas: this is #debian; if you're not running Debian, there's not much we can do to help you. |
| 00:54.53 | deathmas | its based on knoppix |
| 00:54.55 | chealer | mkrufky: by "first for the first time" you mean window for the first time? |
| 00:55.01 | typewriter | and itll support wpa right? |
| 00:55.04 | dondelelcaro | deathmas: that's great; it's still not Debian. |
| 00:55.05 | typewriter | (the card supports wpa) |
| 00:55.12 | chealer | mkrufky: you're at a correct place if you use debian |
| 00:55.12 | typewriter | just want to know if the software will |
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| 00:55.23 | deathmas | but they are debian based |
| 00:55.31 | dondelelcaro | deathmas: doesn't matter. /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 00:55.35 | dondelelcaro | deathmas: see /topic as well. |
| 00:55.48 | deathmas | sorry to bother you |
| 00:55.50 | atula | xam: okay. where do I start again... I feel a bit lost now... |
| 00:55.50 | mkrufky | chealer: i mean, i just logged in...... the first window that i click to focus is the ONLY window that gnome will allow me to focus |
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| 00:55.56 | The00Outlaw | any1 know why my debian will not load out of text console on start-up? |
| 00:56.02 | raden | if i have 4 linux boxes on a network is there a way that they can all have a home directory on one central machine and all authenticate for login through one machine ? |
| 00:56.10 | atula | abrotman: where do I begin again? I want to get apt-get update/upgrade to work first |
| 00:56.13 | dondelelcaro | The00Outlaw: you need to give us more information. Where is it stuck at? |
| 00:56.27 | dondelelcaro | raden: yes, NIS/LDAP + NFS home directories (or something similar) |
| 00:56.37 | Wowbagger_ | dondelelcaro: So I'm guessing that the linux-headers package isn't quite right (or the third party build script is broken). So I figured building a new kernel would be the simplest way to find the answer. But I'm new to doing that in debian. |
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| 00:56.42 | The00Outlaw | it will just take me to username@username and ask for pass |
| 00:56.43 | chealer | mkrufky: ok. that doesn't look much like a kernel bug. what's common between those 2 boxes? |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | atula: dondelelcaro said it was libgd2-xpm |
| 00:56.52 | raden | so NIS, LDAP, & NFS will do me justice ? |
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| 00:56.59 | raden | and then for sharing printing ? |
| 00:57.00 | CHodapp | Greetings. |
| 00:57.05 | dondelelcaro | raden: (NIS or LDAP) and NFS. |
| 00:57.12 | raden | gotcha :) |
| 00:57.15 | xam | atula: do you have a deb-src entry for security.debian.org? |
| 00:57.20 | dondelelcaro | raden: you just need a printer server; that bit's easy. |
| 00:57.44 | raden | still cant get cups to print from remote locatons just the one its hooked to |
| 00:57.47 | The00Outlaw | it also says that Xfree86 was not installed |
| 00:57.49 | raden | ill keep working on that though |
| 00:57.59 | mkrufky | chealer: Ccertainly not a kernel bug....... i tried older kernel with the dsame experience....... i use both of these boxes to develop v4l / dvb drivers.... they are both pretty standard debian/testing installations ...... i use thunderbird and firefox, cvs, kernel-package ..... |
| 00:58.11 | dondelelcaro | Wowbagger_: it's kind of unusual for a kernel module to depend on something that isn't in the linux-headers-$(uname -r) file; in any case, if you know it's right, /msg dpkg kp; /msg dpkg kp mantra; |
| 00:58.13 | atula | xam: no. just "deb-src ftp://ftp.us.org/debian stable main" |
| 00:58.17 | mkrufky | dvb-apps ....... azap , mplayer... |
| 00:58.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell mkrufky -about ep |
| 00:58.40 | mkrufky | chealer: im pretty baffled... since ive been using them both for quite some time |
| 00:58.43 | xam | atula: if not, copy the entry for security.debian.org and replace 'deb' with 'deb-src' and do an 'apt-get update' |
| 00:59.01 | chealer | mkrufky: despite the fact that this happens on 2 boxes, does it happen for a new user? |
| 00:59.04 | mkrufky | oh, sorry for the punctionation. force of habit |
| 00:59.11 | Wowbagger_ | dondelelcaro: woah... you lost me right after the word "right". (and I don't know it's right) |
| 00:59.19 | mkrufky | new user, i didnt try that |
| 00:59.20 | mkrufky | brb |
| 00:59.25 | xam | atula: I think that is the culprit |
| 00:59.38 | bunga | hello |
| 00:59.39 | bunga | # apt-setup |
| 00:59.40 | bunga | bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 00:59.43 | bunga | what happen |
| 00:59.50 | dondelelcaro | bunga: unstable doesn't have apt-setup anymore. |
| 00:59.56 | dondelelcaro | (well, currently, anyway. |
| 01:00.02 | xam | bunga: someone set up us the bomb |
| 01:00.22 | bunga | now |
| 01:00.26 | dondelelcaro | if this causes a problem for you, man 5 sources.list; if that's not clear enough... unstable is probably not the right thing to be running. |
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| 01:00.37 | bunga | i have done with my problem and another problem come again :( |
| 01:01.07 | mkrufky | chealer: the bug suddenly disappeared on both boxes. now i look like an idiot |
| 01:01.14 | mkrufky | chealer: brb i am trying to reproduce it |
| 01:01.16 | chealer | mkrufky: indeed :) |
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| 01:01.26 | padla | I have some questions for a netinstall... |
| 01:01.29 | mere | dondelelcaro, i modprobe'd snd-seq and reloaded alsa; now /dev/snd/seq is there. but still no sound. :/ |
| 01:02.08 | dondelelcaro | padla: just ask; |
| 01:02.09 | karsten | What's the vim option that causes it to persistantly highlight search matches? |
| 01:02.15 | dondelelcaro | mere: does sound work when jack is stoped? |
| 01:02.38 | mkrufky | the funny thing is, it was fixed on THIS box, then i logged into gaim to talk to you guys. i thought i was just lucky, god knows why the both boxes suddenly work simultaneously, and they also broke at the same time too |
| 01:02.46 | mere | yes... |
| 01:02.54 | mere | when jackd is not working, it does. |
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| 01:03.36 | padla | I installed already, then tried others. Display was foggy (ATI radeon x600), should I reinstall it like that and work on it after? |
| 01:03.37 | karsten | Um. IncSearch. Now how do I disable it? |
| 01:03.52 | atula | xam: that did not fix it.... it added a few more lines... mostly saying that it can't find the sites |
| 01:04.24 | mkrufky | chealer: thank you very much for trying to help.... i have no idea what happened, i swear it was broken for 24 hours |
| 01:04.35 | mkrufky | hopefully, i wont have to come back and elaborate |
| 01:04.38 | padla | or select directly the good packages |
| 01:04.48 | karsten | set no hlsearch. |
| 01:04.55 | chealer | mkrufky: hehe, I don't mind, I get paid anyway |
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| 01:05.03 | karsten | !beer karsten |
| 01:05.04 | chealer | or do I? ;) |
| 01:05.40 | mkrufky | chealer: on another note, what hypothetically speaking, what advice would you have given me if i were able to log in just fine as a normal user, but not as my normal one |
| 01:05.41 | chealer | I wonder if mkrufky also qualifies for a beer |
| 01:05.46 | xam | atula: your entry looks like the one mentioned here: http://www.debian.org/security/ ? |
| 01:06.07 | magyar | i have a problem with the new xorg radeon drivers, it will only work in 640x480 mode. Any one has the same problem on sid? |
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| 01:06.09 | mkrufky | do we give beers to people that ask dumb questions? |
| 01:06.10 | mkrufky | heheheh |
| 01:06.14 | chealer | mkrufky: move your home, reimport it gradually |
| 01:06.16 | masf | how can i fix the problem that "ls -al" shows the UID of the user instead of the username, please? |
| 01:06.18 | xam | atula: except that yours has 'stable' instead of sarrg? |
| 01:06.31 | xam | sarge |
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| 01:06.51 | mkrufky | chealer: ok, well, if it happens again, then i'll know what to do. so strange |
| 01:06.55 | mkrufky | thanks again |
| 01:07.06 | chealer | mkrufky: karsten actually answered his question. you just stopped being able to reproduce |
| 01:07.08 | atula | xam: yeah!!! why do I have stable instead of sarge? |
| 01:07.13 | karsten | mkrufky: config files in that case. Something erroring out and terminating your shell. |
| 01:07.14 | monteiro | how i install something from experimental repository ? apt-get -t experimental ? something like that... ? |
| 01:07.18 | atula | xam: lemme check my other debian box |
| 01:07.21 | karsten | !beer mkrufky |
| 01:07.26 | chealer | mkrufky: maybe you deserve a Bud Lite or something |
| 01:07.27 | karsten | mkrufky: Answer your beer question? |
| 01:07.35 | chealer | mkrufky: no problem |
| 01:07.43 | solidgroove | how do i make a modprobe.conf from the modules i have compiled with my new kernel? |
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| 01:07.48 | atula | xam: nope. same thing... but that box works... :( |
| 01:07.59 | karsten | monteiro: Add experimental to your apt sources.list, cross your fingers, and sign your will. |
| 01:08.08 | xam | atula: well, just matches it to whatever you use in the other (normal package) entries |
| 01:08.20 | karsten | solidgroove: depmod -a <kernel version number> |
| 01:08.21 | atula | it's the same thing |
| 01:08.23 | solidgroove | thx |
| 01:08.31 | mkrufky | hahahaha |
| 01:08.33 | xam | atula: very odd ... |
| 01:08.50 | mkrufky | okay, i think i will use the same "beer" philosophy in #v4l |
| 01:08.50 | karsten | solidgroove: Where kernel version number is the bit returned by 'uname -r'. It's actually the directlry under /lib/modules/ |
| 01:09.03 | karsten | xam: add one. Now it's even. |
| 01:09.49 | mkrufky | no. actually, the problem is still present on the other box. |
| 01:10.01 | mkrufky | apparantly, after a minute or two of idle time |
| 01:10.15 | The00Outlaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.16 | mkrufky | i only have access to the foreground window |
| 01:10.30 | karsten | !tell The00Outlaw about install x |
| 01:10.31 | mkrufky | take the beer back |
| 01:10.56 | atula | xam: well... not exactly!!! haha... it's a space... I don't know how the heck the space between them are different |
| 01:11.02 | karsten | mkrufky: That's called taking the piss out of someone.... |
| 01:11.08 | chealer | mkrufky: hey, it's a Bud Lite, take it to the garbage. another advice would be to check .xsession-errors if you didn't already |
| 01:11.33 | mkrufky | haha, ok then... maybe i can earn myself a newcastle |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:11.48 | atula | xam: it's ".../stable /updates main" when it shoudl be ".../[space]stable/updates main" |
| 01:12.09 | abrotman | hrm . i guess gnome2.12 has started creeping into etch |
| 01:12.09 | xam | atula: heh |
| 01:12.25 | litage | http://img8.picsplace.to/img.php?file=img8/7/s1.png |
| 01:12.25 | xam | atula: that's your error |
| 01:12.29 | litage | oops =P |
| 01:12.34 | litage | if set a = set b, set a is a subset of set b. what word is used to explain that set a is only a part of set b? |
| 01:12.38 | abrotman | litage: ignore? |
| 01:12.51 | litage | abrocadabro: ignore my first 2 msgs plz |
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| 01:13.04 | atula | xam: I believe it is... but I swear I didn't do anything to the list... must have been the people who were maintaining it since I was gone.... |
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| 01:13.15 | karsten | litage: strict subset. |
| 01:13.15 | abrotman | litage: you mean that b includes a .. but b is not wholy comprised of a ? |
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| 01:13.25 | litage | abrotman: yes |
| 01:13.43 | Quiznos | to any OP, why is user Hider "forbidden" to join here? |
| 01:13.43 | litage | karsten: i'll look that up. thanks |
| 01:14.13 | mkrufky | chealer: .xsession-errors at http://pastebin.com/512365 ...I dont think this shows us anything |
| 01:14.13 | abrotman | karsten: that doesn't seem right |
| 01:14.17 | abrotman | litage: ask #math maybe |
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| 01:14.31 | karsten | abrotman: It's been a few decades. |
| 01:14.43 | ice_1963 | man kde run's good |
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| 01:15.11 | litage | karsten was right. "strict subset" or "proper subset" is the correct terminology |
| 01:15.12 | karsten | !apostrophesmite ice_1963 |
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| 01:15.18 | chealer | mkrufky: I guess not. I'd try with a different user |
| 01:15.25 | mkrufky | doing so now |
| 01:15.30 | Rawplayer | anyone in here using windows 2003 with IIS 6 in combination with a samba share? |
| 01:15.31 | abrotman | karsten: give him a grammar smite too! |
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| 01:15.38 | Quiznos | des anyone know why user Hider has been banned from here? |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | Rawplayer: cut to the chase .. :) |
| 01:15.52 | karsten | Quiznos: ask ops or #freenode. |
| 01:15.54 | atula | abrotman: okay. I got apt-get update to work.... *sigh... now to the libgd problem... I'm trying to get bugzilla to work properly... but it would not do it until I get libgd installed... as I notice...there's no such thing in stable version... but you told me that there were others libgd version... where should I begin now? should I try installing libgd2? |
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| 01:16.02 | Quiznos | thanks |
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| 01:16.04 | abrotman | atula: apt-get install bugzilla ? |
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| 01:16.09 | karsten | abrotman: Smite him yourself. |
| 01:16.16 | Rawplayer | well the main problem is that IIS6 refuses to server ASP pages from the samba share |
| 01:16.27 | atula | abrotman: haha... passed that... it's the mysql and server side issues that's giving me trouble.... |
| 01:16.36 | karsten | Rawplayer: I *strongly* suspect that that's covered in a Samba FAQ. |
| 01:16.36 | atula | abrotman: it wouldn't display properly |
| 01:16.38 | Rawplayer | the windows 2003 server can read the and write to the samba server though |
| 01:17.01 | karsten | Rawplayer: Probably a permissions mapping issue. See #samba. |
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| 01:17.13 | abrotman | atula: does *anything* work on your system? |
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| 01:17.32 | mkrufky | chealer: i am having the same problem on the GDM login screen. I ONLY have access to the username / password entry, languege, session, actions, none respond to mouse click -- same problem , didnt even try a new user yet, i will reboot that box and then try |
| 01:17.37 | karsten | abrotman: The apostrophe key. |
| 01:17.46 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:18.04 | karsten | mkrufky: Can you tab between fields? |
| 01:18.10 | Salas11 | Hey guys can someone tell me how to install a file that ends with .deb its my first time |
| 01:18.21 | abrotman | karsten: there aren't "fields" |
| 01:18.32 | abrotman | karsten: login \n .. password \n .. yay |
| 01:18.32 | karsten | abrotman: Oh yes. |
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| 01:18.44 | mkrufky | chealer: it takes my <TAB> and acts like i hit <ENTER> |
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| 01:18.46 | Xenguy | Salas11: dpkg -i |
| 01:18.55 | atula | abrotman: LOL!!! that's what I'm saying... haha. it's a system I set up before I left this job... it was working solidly... I mean... there was no known issues when I left... and after a year... they're trying get different things... and it's all crap... fixing it for them now... |
| 01:19.01 | mkrufky | chealer: it does not allow me to move to a different field using tab |
| 01:19.05 | Salas11 | ok let me try |
| 01:19.11 | matadon | Any Thunderbird users know of a way to specify folder ordering for IMAP accounts? |
| 01:19.12 | shingouz | Salas11: usually you do not need to get the .debs from the net at all, you just apt-get install the stuff |
| 01:19.16 | atula | abrotman: hah. I'm doing it remotely too.... |
| 01:19.38 | mkrufky | karsten: it doesnt allow me to tab between fields, when i hit TAB it acted asif i hit ENTER |
| 01:19.38 | abrotman | atula: so the system was woody .. and now it's "sarge" .. and nothing works ? |
| 01:20.02 | chealer | mkrufky: hum, if the problem appears in gdm, trying a new user probably won't help much |
| 01:20.03 | atula | abrotman: no no... it was sarge... it was last august... not that long ago |
| 01:20.09 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.11 | karsten | mkrufky: Yeah, I got that. |
| 01:20.13 | Salas11 | the filename is amsn_095-1.deb |
| 01:20.20 | mkrufky | chealer: ya thats what im thinking |
| 01:20.22 | abrotman | atula: uhm .. ok |
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| 01:20.29 | shingouz | Salas11: apt-get install amsn |
| 01:20.29 | karsten | mkrufky: Is your mouse properly configured? I'd kill gdm, start X, and play with that. |
| 01:20.32 | abrotman | atula: does anyone else have root? |
| 01:20.35 | atula | abrotman: I guess they really put a lot of stuff on the thing... without updating it... ever... |
| 01:20.47 | mkrufky | karsten: it works at first, then stops ... |
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| 01:20.50 | atula | abrotman: yeah... 2 guys have roots when I left |
| 01:20.51 | Salas11 | k |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | atula: did they mess it up ? |
| 01:21.01 | shingouz | Salas11: sucks in the proper deb from the repositories and installs it. do not take extra debs from somewhere |
| 01:21.12 | mkrufky | karsten: and worked for months, before this bug occurred (on 2 boxes at the same time) |
| 01:21.16 | Salas11 | thanks its working |
| 01:21.19 | karsten | mkrufky: usb or serial? |
| 01:21.24 | mkrufky | right now, serial |
| 01:21.27 | karsten | mkrufky: ... and have you tried another mouse? |
| 01:21.36 | karsten | mkrufky: ... or cheese? |
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| 01:21.48 | abrotman | karsten: what size bra do you wear? |
| 01:21.51 | mkrufky | karsten: I will try another mouse, for arguments sake.... but I'm fresh out of cheese |
| 01:21.53 | karsten | mkrufky: ..... or PS/2. |
| 01:21.56 | atula | abrotman: I was an intern...then.. and I set up the whole thing... I wrote manuals for them... but they were too busy to read I guess... I wouldn't say they messed it up.... well... okay, they did... they installed quite a bit of stuff since I left... in term of server side stuff |
| 01:22.11 | karsten | abrotman: A Bra of Gross Proportions. |
| 01:22.11 | mkrufky | oops... i meant ps/2 and i said serial accidentally |
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| 01:22.20 | shingouz | atula: make them pay.. bwahahaha |
| 01:22.22 | magyar | anyone running sid with an radeon x800 ? |
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| 01:22.22 | abrotman | atula: as in .. they did what? |
| 01:22.23 | karsten | mkrufky: Thougth so ;-) |
| 01:22.24 | atula | abrotman: maybe I should not have told them about bugzilla.... something with php would be simpler... |
| 01:22.31 | abrotman | atula: mantis ? |
| 01:22.37 | abrotman | !info mantis sarge |
| 01:22.39 | mkrufky | ya i havent SEEN a serial mouse in years |
| 01:22.42 | dpkg | mantis: (web-based bug tracking system), section web, is optional. Version: 0.19.2-4.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 874 kB, Installed size: 4644 kB |
| 01:22.43 | atula | abrotman: that's what I was thinking |
| 01:22.53 | abrotman | though i haven't used mantis in years |
| 01:23.09 | matadon | mkrufky: I could ship you one from my garage... ;p |
| 01:23.17 | atula | abrotman: what do you use now? |
| 01:23.36 | mkrufky | matadon: thanks for the though, i think i'll pass on that one |
| 01:23.39 | mkrufky | thoughT |
| 01:23.40 | abrotman | atula: my brain? |
| 01:23.45 | monteiro | in which package its availabe import command? |
| 01:23.46 | atula | haha. |
| 01:23.54 | atula | sigh... |
| 01:24.04 | Eno_ | imagemagick? |
| 01:24.07 | matadon | mkrufky: Are you sure? I think I might even have one that has its own special ISA interface card and a proprietary connector. :) |
| 01:24.08 | Xenguy | monteiro: imagemagick |
| 01:24.12 | atula | abrotman: so what of the "libgd" issue...can you give a hand? |
| 01:24.14 | monteiro | Xenguy : tks |
| 01:24.19 | Xenguy | np |
| 01:24.21 | karsten | mkrufky: What Eno_ said |
| 01:24.34 | Eno_ | monteiro: apt-file is useful for that sort of question. |
| 01:24.38 | abrotman | atula: try libgd2-xpm |
| 01:24.50 | mkrufky | karsten: imagemagick?!? |
| 01:24.53 | monteiro | Eno_ : i didn't know, thinks :) |
| 01:25.06 | karsten | mkrufky: Oi. |
| 01:25.20 | mkrufky | ok guys... very obscure... i plugged a USB mouse, it worked for a minute. it let me pull fdown gmome memnus... but not anymore, after 20 seconds |
| 01:25.41 | starfishy | gotta jet |
| 01:25.44 | starfishy | bye |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | dead mouse! |
| 01:25.50 | mkrufky | i am in doubt -- rebooting the box again |
| 01:25.57 | mkrufky | i swear my hardware is fine |
| 01:26.04 | karsten | mkrufky: check /var/log/messages /var/log/debug |
| 01:26.04 | shingouz | reboot? what is a reboot? :p |
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| 01:26.22 | karsten | shingouz: It's something Linux users do when they're nostalgic for Windows. |
| 01:26.28 | jemertz | Reboot? that's when you put your shoes on before leaving again. |
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| 01:26.43 | shingouz | karsten: that is horrible! can that disease be cured? |
| 01:27.20 | jemertz | Yeah, it has a cure... go back to Windows at least twice a year. |
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| 01:27.32 | karsten | shingouz: Yes. |
| 01:27.35 | jemertz | Then you will remember how awful it was. |
| 01:27.38 | karsten | shingouz: ... by not rebooting. |
| 01:27.44 | karsten | jemertz: Gah. |
| 01:27.45 | shingouz | heh |
| 01:28.16 | atula | abrotman: ah! I tried "/usr/bin/perl -MCPAN -e 'install "GD"' but it's asking "where is libgd installed? [/usr/lib] so... am I screwed without the "libgd" thing? |
| 01:28.17 | mkrufky | karsten: nothing out of the orrdinary in /var/log/[messages,debug] |
| 01:28.18 | abrotman | at least it wasn't the MolesterOfPuppets |
| 01:28.20 | mfrisch | jemertz: it runs, in qemu. |
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| 01:28.32 | abrotman | atula: libgd2-xpm |
| 01:28.33 | jemertz | mfrisch: qemu? |
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| 01:28.45 | mfrisch | emulator |
| 01:28.56 | jemertz | ah |
| 01:29.09 | shingouz | speaking of doze, does the sarge installer detect an existing XP installation or do i actually have to rtfm before i try making a dualbooter? |
| 01:29.30 | jemertz | Sarge has worked fine making dual boot machines for me on multiple occasions. |
| 01:29.41 | xam | here too |
| 01:29.45 | Chris62vw | shingouz, you can always try. the installer might just say "hey, we see that you have windows installed. wanna setup a dual boot box?" |
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| 01:29.49 | jemertz | I think I've even got Etch dual booting on my laptop right now. |
| 01:29.55 | atula | abrotman: I should point it to that? /usr/bin/? |
| 01:30.00 | resiak | Etch dual booting? Horrors! |
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| 01:30.11 | jemertz | What? |
| 01:30.13 | abrotman | atula: it's a package .. install it |
| 01:30.19 | atula | abrotman: I did |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | maybe you need libgd-dev ? or libgd2-dev ? |
| 01:30.37 | xam | resiak: of course. With openbsd ... |
| 01:31.00 | shingouz | Chris62vw: good point..... been a long time since i used any installer |
| 01:31.07 | xam | resiak: or if you have a Mac, wint MacOS X |
| 01:31.09 | jemertz | xam: LOL. though it works fine with XP for me. What's the trouble supposed to be? |
| 01:31.19 | mkrufky | karsten: here's the play-by-play ... i did warm reboot (why you ppl get scared by this word, i dunno) ... everything works.... now, i will login |
| 01:31.25 | shingouz | jemertz: xp |
| 01:31.30 | jemertz | However, it did start life as a sarge install, I believe |
| 01:32.26 | mkrufky | so far so good |
| 01:32.32 | jemertz | Well fine, if you're going to be that way I can't help but agree. However, there are those one or two tasks that are just easier under Windows... oh, say getting wireless to work with multiple networks for example. |
| 01:32.40 | shingouz | mkrufky: we are not scared of the word, we just do not know what it means.. |
| 01:32.49 | mkrufky | i wish i could relate to that |
| 01:32.50 | Chris62vw | and using ms word :-) |
| 01:33.03 | mkrufky | kernel developers have to reboot a lot |
| 01:33.05 | mkrufky | :-/ |
| 01:33.12 | xam | jeremertz: I have only one mache set up for dual boot with Windows. But I have it installed this way on many machines of friends & colleagues |
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| 01:33.21 | atula | abrotman: I'm installing libgd2-xpm-dev |
| 01:33.26 | Chris62vw | isnt a warm boot when you reboot a computer but don't turn it all the way off? ala ctrl+alt+del in dos? |
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| 01:33.42 | xam | one= one of my |
| 01:33.52 | karsten | mkrufky: There's nothing particularly horrid about rebooting, just that in Linux there's not *nearly* the need to do so as under Windows. |
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| 01:34.08 | xam | Chris62vw: yes |
| 01:34.10 | jemertz | Some might say an emulator would help, but it IS a P III 500 laptop with only 256 megs of RAM, so emulating would probably get a little painful. Surprisingly, neither XP nor Xfree86 under Etch seem to mind. |
| 01:34.14 | karsten | mkrufky: ... wedged HW is among the better reasons. Usually though if you've got to reboot, there's an underlying problem. |
| 01:34.39 | jemertz | help -> MS Office |
| 01:34.47 | Chris62vw | xam, thought so. |
| 01:34.49 | karsten | mkrufky: Otherwise, kernel upgrades. |
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| 01:35.02 | mkrufky | agreed |
| 01:35.11 | xam | Chris62vw: but the definition is weak, a warm reboot is anything not involving a power cut |
| 01:35.21 | Chris62vw | oh |
| 01:35.29 | mkrufky | ok, well a minute passed by, and all is well.... |
| 01:35.37 | jemertz | i.e. typing "reboot" or pressing the reset switch count. |
| 01:35.38 | mkrufky | i am going to assume that im crazy again |
| 01:35.45 | mkrufky | and im going to grab my own beer from the firdge now |
| 01:35.54 | karsten | mkrufky: It's worked for us. The assumption. |
| 01:35.59 | mkrufky | hehe |
| 01:36.41 | mkrufky | i am sure somethign is wrong, but i dunno what. maybe the CPU gods are telling me to stay away from the machines for a day or wo |
| 01:36.53 | xam | Chris62vw: so a warm reboot is also if you use kexec to boot another kernel |
| 01:36.54 | jemertz | Kernels and power outages are the only reasons I've found to reboot a Linux system (excepting laptops) |
| 01:37.21 | jemertz | mkrufky: I don't believe I was here for a description of the problem. |
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| 01:37.39 | xam | jemertz: udev updates ;) |
| 01:37.49 | Chris62vw | xam, oh, I never knew that |
| 01:37.54 | karsten | jemertz: Relocations as well. |
| 01:38.29 | grim76 | Anyone have any idea why during the first part of the install it sees my SATA drives, but after rebooting to install more packages it does not see them? |
| 01:38.30 | jemertz | haven't dealt with udev. Relocations work, but those are fairly obvious. Kind of go along with the laptop thing. :-P |
| 01:38.31 | karsten | A former cow-orker, IIRC. |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | karsten: well ..why not? |
| 01:38.44 | karsten | grim76: Different kernels, no SATA drivers. |
| 01:38.51 | grim76 | ok thanks |
| 01:38.53 | karsten | abrotman: Problem was when they ran into traffic. |
| 01:39.01 | abrotman | karsten: well .. yeah . but no network ... |
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| 01:39.06 | jemertz | Karsten: whoever it is was a little anal. |
| 01:39.16 | karsten | abrotman: ... it's easier to power things down when you can 1). reach it all and 2). have a monitor handy. |
| 01:39.20 | karsten | jemertz: No comment. |
| 01:39.21 | grim76 | karsten: ok thanks...will have to wait until the install is completed before I try to get them online. |
| 01:39.28 | jemertz | abrotman: it's always possible that they had a cell modem. |
| 01:39.40 | karsten | grim76: Right. You should have an option to specify drivers during the install. |
| 01:39.42 | abrotman | karsten: real men yank cords and let the journal recover :) |
| 01:39.49 | abrotman | jemertz: or a satellite uplink .. sure |
| 01:39.57 | karsten | abrotman: *real* men use a fire axe. |
| 01:40.08 | jemertz | Abrotman: you nuts! |
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| 01:40.15 | abrotman | karsten: australians use rats |
| 01:40.19 | mkrufky | jemertz: ive only been rebooting the machine to return it to a working state... the problem is that after a minute, gnome wasnt allowing me to move focus to any window other than the currently focused window |
| 01:40.25 | karsten | abrotman: with braces? |
| 01:40.31 | abrotman | no .. just rats |
| 01:40.48 | jemertz | So you were thinking mouse problem when I got here... |
| 01:40.58 | grim76 | karsten: it saw them and let me partition them, but then after the boot and remove CD it is downloading all the packages and did the initial fsck and did not see them. I will tweak things when I get into the system to figure it out. |
| 01:40.58 | shingouz | rats with braces would make for some spectacular fireworks though |
| 01:41.06 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:41.10 | abrotman | shingouz: how was bejing? |
| 01:41.20 | shingouz | bangkok. check my ip |
| 01:41.25 | abrotman | screw off! |
| 01:41.26 | mkrufky | jemertz: seems to be okay now, but i have no explanation why. even stranger is that the same exact problem was happening for two of my boxes... and it also stopped on both boxes. |
| 01:41.38 | abrotman | shingouz: you're still there? |
| 01:41.40 | jemertz | Weird... |
| 01:41.42 | shingouz | yuup |
| 01:41.48 | mkrufky | i mean, problem happened at the same time, on both machines, and also got fixed at the same time |
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| 01:42.12 | m1ke_l | what file did i edit to have the screen clear when i logged out? |
| 01:42.12 | abrotman | shingouz: when do you come back from bejing? |
| 01:42.53 | solidgroove | when I compile my new kernel I do a depmod -a 2.6.15.1 and get QM_MODULES: function not implemented |
| 01:42.54 | m1ke_l | i forgot where i put that? |
| 01:42.54 | jemertz | Sounds like... possibly a program glitch. Really weird, regardless. |
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| 01:42.54 | m1ke_l | i thought it was /etc/profile, but its not there |
| 01:42.54 | shingouz | abrocadabro: bangkok. should be back at my desktop on 25th |
| 01:42.56 | mkrufky | jemertz: full ack |
| 01:42.56 | mkrufky | heh |
| 01:43.08 | abrotman | shingouz: does my name translate to abrocadabro in bejing ? |
| 01:43.15 | xam | solidgroove: install module-init-tools |
| 01:43.18 | jemertz | /nake mertz |
| 01:43.22 | jemertz | /name mertz |
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| 01:43.37 | jemertz | um... sorry, I'm new to IRC. How do I change my name on the fly? |
| 01:43.45 | mkrufky | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.48 | atula | abrotman: how do I check if php is working on my webserver? |
| 01:43.48 | m1ke_l | slash nick |
| 01:43.49 | shingouz | abrotman: actually not even bangkok, this is rangsit (and this version of xchat has some oddities with the tab completion looks like) |
| 01:43.51 | eleazar_ | whats the command to see my ip address? |
| 01:43.55 | m1ke_l | ifconfig |
| 01:43.57 | mertz | thanks. That should be a little easier. |
| 01:44.03 | m1ke_l | or the new ip addr show? |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | atula: echo "<? phpinfo(); ?>" > test.php |
| 01:44.18 | abrotman | shingouz: ah ok |
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| 01:44.51 | mertz | m1ke_l: Cisco that's be sh ip, but what system uses the ip addr show command? |
| 01:45.09 | m1ke_l | i guess its new ip util |
| 01:45.18 | m1ke_l | it works on some of my debians |
| 01:45.26 | mertz | Hmm. Interesting. |
| 01:45.29 | Gnea | it's not that new |
| 01:45.31 | m1ke_l | but of course, not this one |
| 01:45.34 | Gnea | it's been around a few years |
| 01:45.39 | m1ke_l | "new" is relative i guess |
| 01:45.44 | Gnea | ip a <-- same |
| 01:45.44 | shingouz | abrotman: in anycase, i am having fun here. even her mom likes me (and is not a mother in law from hell) |
| 01:45.52 | mertz | Neat. I never knew that one. |
| 01:45.52 | Gnea | you don't have to type the whole thing out |
| 01:46.04 | Gnea | yeah, all sub-commands of iproute are like that |
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| 01:46.17 | m1ke_l | i'm always learnin'! |
| 01:46.18 | Gnea | and unlike ifconfig and route, you can actually flush the routing table with it |
| 01:46.23 | tictac | bah. fucking firefox crashed again. |
| 01:46.25 | mertz | Now if only they'd make a package so you could configure a Debian router the way you do a Cisco one. |
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| 01:46.28 | corallis | I just installed debian etch on my laptop, and my touchpad is moving INCREDIBLY slow... what is most likely the problem? |
| 01:46.50 | m1ke_l | your fingure needs updating? |
| 01:46.52 | mertz | Using the wrong mouse driver, I'd say. |
| 01:46.56 | abrotman | shingouz: mom ? |
| 01:46.59 | Gnea | mertz: quagga |
| 01:47.11 | shingouz | abrotman: most people have mothers :p |
| 01:47.17 | abrotman | shingouz: but she lives with hers |
| 01:47.18 | mkrufky | yup... beer time |
| 01:47.23 | mertz | Gnea: what's that supposed to mean? |
| 01:47.39 | shingouz | abrotman: no she does not, we had to go to korat to meet the family :) |
| 01:47.46 | xam | corallis: your touchpad should not move at all! |
| 01:47.52 | Gnea | mertz: do you need everything explained? |
| 01:47.57 | daos | can anyone tell how to give a ad domain user wirte access to a samba share? |
| 01:48.11 | daos | I have the samba box joined to the domain, but can't figure out what write permissions need to be given for a domain user |
| 01:48.23 | corallis | xam: why is that? |
| 01:48.36 | abrotman | shingouz: oh ok .. i'm glad to hear that |
| 01:48.48 | shingouz | heh |
| 01:48.50 | abrotman | shingouz: are one of you going to move to where the other is? |
| 01:49.03 | mertz | Gnea, I've never seen that word before. If it's something that's common on the channel here, this is my first time. |
| 01:49.17 | resiak | !+info quagga |
| 01:49.21 | jetscreamer | wtf is quagga |
| 01:49.22 | dpkg | quagga: (unoff. successor of the Zebra BGP/OSPF/RIP routing daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 0.99.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1163 kB, Installed size: 4064 kB |
| 01:49.26 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:49.26 | mkrufky | it is a program |
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| 01:49.27 | resiak | HTH, HAND. |
| 01:49.31 | xam | corallis: well, if your touchpad should move inside the laptop case, it is not properly assembled/mounted ;) Man xset |
| 01:49.33 | shingouz | abrotman: yes. the where and when are still under works but things will happen pretty soon |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | glad to hear |
| 01:49.46 | mertz | I see. Thanks. |
| 01:50.02 | mertz | Without context, "quagga" looks like you're drooling or something. |
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| 01:50.27 | meneg | in what pack is artsc.h? (deb.org search is down) |
| 01:50.38 | resiak | !search artsc.h |
| 01:50.44 | corallis | xam: haha :p |
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| 01:50.48 | Gnea | mertz: need some bricks? |
| 01:51.14 | mertz | Gnea: To throw? I think I have a big enough stack. |
| 01:51.18 | solidgroove | i have alot of errors from rc.d scripts.. something after the kernel is loaded.. can I get a bootspash package or patch to hide that? |
| 01:51.49 | Gnea | !noob |
| 01:51.49 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 01:51.59 | mkrufky | ha! |
| 01:52.00 | mkrufky | i love it |
| 01:52.10 | resiak | !+find artsc.h |
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| 01:52.12 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:52.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'artsc.h' (1): (/usr/include/kde/artsc/artsc.h) in libdevel/libartsc0-dev. |
| 01:52.35 | karsten | What's the maximum supported total file + path name in ext3? |
| 01:52.49 | meneg | weird, i got that, prolly that prog's prob |
| 01:53.21 | Gnea | karsten: filename length or filesize? |
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| 01:54.11 | karsten | Gnea: filename length. |
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| 01:54.18 | mertz | Well if I'm getting this kind of treatment in here, no wonder people hate switching TO Debian. I've been using the OS for 5 years now, but have never been in the chat. I seem to be getting insulted just because I'm asking questions. |
| 01:54.21 | karsten | Gnea: ... as in total bytes in path + filename. |
| 01:54.34 | Salas11 | -ls |
| 01:55.08 | meneg | mertz: dont bother, their just arrogant bastards |
| 01:55.10 | Gnea | mertz: you're being insulted because you're acting like a 5 year old. |
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| 01:55.54 | Gnea | mertz: you asked a question, i provided an answer, then you proceeded to insult me over the way i answered. no, you threw the first brick. |
| 01:56.17 | mertz | This coming from the guy who's doing 3/4 of the insulting... after being surprised that I didn't understand a single word response several subject changes after the initial question. |
| 01:56.49 | mkrufky | wowow... this is for help, not for mud-slinging |
| 01:56.50 | The00Outlaw | alright, i think im making some progress, i did "apt-get install x-window-system-core" and "apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover" configured xfee86, but im still loading straight to text console, i tried startx but it gave me an error |
| 01:56.53 | Gnea | well, whatever. |
| 01:57.08 | Gnea | yeah really, show some respect if you want any |
| 01:57.23 | mertz | Agreed. |
| 01:57.29 | Gnea | karsten: as in, du -sh? |
| 01:58.09 | Gnea | mertz: if you insist on bad-mouthing anyone you misinterpret as being unhelpful, when they're trying to be helpful, you will get nowhere. it's that simple. |
| 01:58.39 | mertz | I apologize. |
| 01:58.51 | mertz | Can we forget it and move on? |
| 01:59.12 | karsten | Gnea: *NO* |
| 01:59.12 | mertz | The00Outlaw: what's the error? I've seen a number of them. |
| 01:59.25 | karsten | Gnea: Not the disk storage. The length of the file *NAME*. |
| 01:59.38 | Gnea | karsten: oh ok |
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| 02:00.40 | Gnea | karsten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 02:00.50 | Gnea | Max filename size 255 bytes |
| 02:00.56 | The00Outlaw | Xsession: unable to start xsession --no "/root/.xsession file, no "/root/Xsession file, no session managers, no window managers, no terminal emulators found |
| 02:01.04 | resiak | The00Outlaw: Install a window manager |
| 02:01.20 | resiak | The00Outlaw: (and don't run X as root, it causes cancer in lab rats.) |
| 02:01.24 | karsten | Gnea: Thansk. |
| 02:01.29 | Gnea | np |
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| 02:02.07 | The00Outlaw | umm...*slaps self* how? |
| 02:02.15 | mertz | apt-get install gnome |
| 02:02.16 | resiak | apt-get install openbox |
| 02:02.22 | mertz | or kde... or any of a number of options |
| 02:02.25 | mkrufky | Gnea: is max filename size, or max pathname size too? |
| 02:02.27 | resiak | You also probably want apt-get install gdm |
| 02:02.28 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.46 | mkrufky | wiki says filename only, but karsten asked about full pathname |
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| 02:03.14 | The00Outlaw | what do mean dont run X as root? |
| 02:03.25 | mertz | su to somebody other than root. |
| 02:03.32 | pdr_ | anyone had luck installing sarge into a powerbook 12", i need to configure video out |
| 02:03.35 | Azar | The00Outlaw: fortunately no |
| 02:03.48 | mertz | be a non-root user, as in somebody who won't hose the system if something goes badly wrong under X. |
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| 02:03.54 | solidgroove | how can I make /mnt/ntfs-c readable to users? |
| 02:04.02 | The00Outlaw | ahh i see |
| 02:04.03 | Gnea | mkrufky: directory names are consider filenames |
| 02:04.07 | Gnea | *considered |
| 02:04.21 | concept10 | pdr_, are you crazy? |
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| 02:04.32 | karsten | The00Outlaw: Stop slapping me! |
| 02:04.43 | The00Outlaw | o.o |
| 02:04.46 | The00Outlaw | ?/ |
| 02:04.47 | Gnea | The00Outlaw: install a dm or use startx |
| 02:05.08 | The00Outlaw | k |
| 02:05.11 | pdr_ | concept10, why? sarge is already running |
| 02:06.01 | concept10 | pdr_, have you had alot of success with sarge on that machine? |
| 02:06.18 | unreal | hmm, just a quick question about debian 3.1 r1, is the second DVD ISO needed? or is it just a disc containing optional packages and such? |
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| 02:06.21 | The00Outlaw | alrighty, ill be back if and when i fail horribly ^^ |
| 02:06.37 | mkrufky | Gnea: yes, of course.... but i thought karsten was askign about a full pathname, as in /path/to/this/file.txt = 22 chars |
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| 02:07.02 | mertz | unreal: Usually you only need the first CD if you're going to install the packages from a network. |
| 02:07.12 | pdr_ | concept10, well... its just running, still need to configure lots of things... tried to install etch but it freezes on boot |
| 02:07.27 | mertz | I would assume DVDs are the same way. Changing that would have been incredibly foolish |
| 02:07.41 | pdr_ | concept10, whats your suggestion |
| 02:07.42 | pdr_ | ? |
| 02:07.56 | unreal | mertz: sounds find then, I'll only be doing a base install anyway, and updates/packages can be downloaded as needed... just thought i'd ask before stretching my measley 512kbit line :) |
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| 02:08.41 | mertz | unreal: If you're worried about DL size, why not just burn a CD instead of a DVD. Smaller images |
| 02:08.48 | concept10 | pdr_, i dont know how great support sarge has for ppc, I only tried ubuntu on powerbook |
| 02:09.09 | pdr_ | concept10, ubuntu freezes on install as well |
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| 02:09.30 | unreal | mertz: I suppose, but I find DVD's more handy in this day and age, along with the fact I don't have any blank CDR's lying around |
| 02:09.32 | pdr_ | concept10, it seems to be something with the kernel > 2.6.8 |
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| 02:09.54 | mertz | unreal: Sounds like a good enough reason to me. Burn away! |
| 02:10.11 | concept10 | pdr_, what version of ubuntu did you try? |
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| 02:10.43 | mertz | pdr_: The logical solution would be to compile yourself a custom 2.6.15.1 kernel, without whatever is causing the freeze. |
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| 02:10.49 | pdr_ | concept10, breezy.... |
| 02:10.49 | mertz | ...and with video support. |
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| 02:10.55 | unreal | mertz: I could easily just install 3.1 r0a but thought I might as well just wait a bit.. I'll only be using the machine for learning assembly on |
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| 02:11.01 | mike_jf | yo yo |
| 02:11.03 | mike_jf | ok |
| 02:11.39 | concept10 | pdr_, yeah, compile yourself a new kernel. what are you trying to do with video (what app are you attempting to use?) |
| 02:11.41 | unreal | mertz: anyway, ty for the answer :) |
| 02:11.58 | shingouz | unreal: just install the r0a then, then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and you have the latest in there |
| 02:12.08 | mertz | unreal: You can always upgrade to the latest from whatever gets installed. Have fun with the 2.4 to 2.6 upgrade though, if you do it manually. |
| 02:12.24 | pdr_ | concept10, i just need to use the video out with a projector |
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| 02:14.06 | pdr_ | concept10, can you do that with ubuntu? |
| 02:14.39 | shingouz | pdr_: you sure you want to ask ubuntu questions here? |
| 02:14.50 | concept10 | pdr_, it depends on your hardware, you may need to search for a page where someone has installed sarge on your machine |
| 02:15.26 | magyar | after i make changes to xorg.conf, how can "clean" restart X server? |
| 02:15.32 | concept10 | shingouz, he was asking me a ubuntu related question, i dont mind |
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| 02:15.52 | pdr_ | shingouz, i dont use ubuntu... concept10 just told me he installed ubuntu on a similar machine, so i was about to ask his configuration to put it on debian |
| 02:16.36 | karsten | Gnea: Confirmed 255 BTW. |
| 02:16.54 | mertz | magyar: /etc/init.d contains scripts for various daemons to restart. Find the one for x and type ./[filename] restart |
| 02:16.54 | hammyrocks69r | does anyone know how to get svideo to work in xwindows? |
| 02:17.00 | pdr_ | shingouz, anyway, thanks for nothing |
| 02:17.16 | karsten | Gnea: for i in $( seq 1024 ); do if ! touch $( python -c "print 'x'*$i" 2>/dev/null ); then; echo "Failed: $i"; exit ; fi; done; |
| 02:17.17 | mertz | I don't use xorg, so I can't tell you which file xorg uses |
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| 02:17.23 | karsten | Gnea: ... as "longfile". |
| 02:17.26 | i_hate_ubuntu | Hello friends |
| 02:17.35 | shingouz | heh |
| 02:17.52 | i_hate_ubuntu | hello to all world |
| 02:18.15 | magyar | mertz: thanks, i tried restarting /etc/init.d/xserver-xorg but it still starts with the old driver. Only when i reboot the system kdm re-reades the xorg.conf |
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| 02:18.57 | duro | alt +ctrl + backspace |
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| 02:19.48 | tlivingston | abrotman, from this afternoon... installing on a centrino dou laptop... the b44 module is loaded (lsmod) |
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| 02:19.56 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:20.06 | abrotman | how do people track me down? :) |
| 02:20.18 | tlivingston | abrotman uhm, your so hard to find :-) |
| 02:20.31 | shingouz | abrotman: you are bugged i bet |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | you're |
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| 02:20.47 | abrotman | tlivingston: does b44 work ? |
| 02:20.50 | hammyrocks69r | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.53 | The00Outlaw | back |
| 02:21.18 | tlivingston | abrotman well, ifstat shows the interface, but pings to my gateway fail |
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| 02:21.30 | abrotman | tlivingston: did you give it an IP ? |
| 02:21.39 | abrotman | tlivingston: you may need an unofficial installer |
| 02:21.40 | shingouz | hammyrocks69r: give us details and tell us what is wrong, maybe someone helps |
| 02:21.48 | tlivingston | abrotman, yeah the settings lok good |
| 02:22.10 | abrotman | tlivingston: can you ping the IP it thinks it has ? |
| 02:22.12 | tlivingston | desination unreachable it says |
| 02:22.24 | shingouz | tlivingston: check the route |
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| 02:22.29 | The00Outlaw | i did "apt-get install openbox" , rebooted, it was still it text console, typed "startx", it didn't give me and error, but it just stayed on the grey screen and didnt load |
| 02:22.43 | i_hate_ubuntu | bye |
| 02:22.59 | karsten | The00Outlaw: That worked. |
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| 02:23.03 | resiak | The00Outlaw: Are you sure that Openbox wasn't running? It doesn't display _anything_ by default. If you want a graphical login screen, apt-get install gdm or kdm or xdm |
| 02:23.15 | karsten | The00Outlaw: That's what X is. Now try 'startx <windowmanager>' |
| 02:23.21 | i_hate_ubuntu | bye karsten |
| 02:23.33 | karsten | The00Outlaw: ...and try mousclicking (left/right) to see if you get a context menu. |
| 02:23.56 | kspath | maybe middle click(chord click) |
| 02:24.11 | The00Outlaw | alrighty |
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| 02:24.22 | The00Outlaw | ill try it and come back |
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| 02:24.45 | The00Outlaw | which one should i install though? gdm kdm or xdrr? |
| 02:25.06 | hammyrocks69r | I have a nvidia card but I don't have the drivers installed and am using the xorg nv driver and am not sure if I need to use the driver from nvidia or if I have to edit my xconf file. |
| 02:25.14 | hammyrocks69r | for svideo support |
| 02:25.18 | mertz | The00Outlaw:I like gdm. a lot of people like kdm. I don't know anyone who uses xdm, but I'm sure there are. |
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| 02:25.45 | hammyrocks69r | when I boot up I can see the console but when x trys to load the screen goes blank and I don't see anything |
| 02:25.48 | mertz | The00Outlaw:Try one, and if you don't like it after a while, you can always switch. |
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| 02:25.57 | The00Outlaw | alrighty thank you very much for the help, ill be back in a few ^^ |
| 02:26.04 | SerajewelKS | can a DHCP push a new IP to a client before the lease expires? |
| 02:26.08 | SerajewelKS | DHCP server* |
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| 02:26.17 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: I don't think so. |
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| 02:26.21 | secher_ | Completely Off Topic: does anyone remember a singer named Gigi Allen? He'd glass dive, and do loads of depraved shit on stage. I can't remember how to spell his name, and google is like a dictionary, it's great if you can spell. :) Help please? |
| 02:26.27 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: that might explain the problem then |
| 02:26.37 | mertz | SerajewelKS: it cannot. |
| 02:26.47 | mertz | SerajewelKS:Not unless the client reboots |
| 02:26.57 | mertz | ...or otherwise renews, that is |
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| 02:27.09 | SerajewelKS | i've got a server set up in the DMZ and the router somehow assigns the new IP (presumably the lease time is set to the same lease time the router got for its IP) |
| 02:27.21 | SerajewelKS | but sometimes it doesn't.. so the server cannot be reached without being hard rebooted |
| 02:27.41 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: static ip perhaps? |
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| 02:27.58 | SerajewelKS | shingouz: yeah, wouldn't it be nice if SBC offered that |
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| 02:28.35 | roby | I want to listen to music samples on amazon.com, they are in what appears to be Windows Media and RealOne Player format, what can I do? |
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| 02:28.50 | SerajewelKS | the only solution i can think of is to have it periodically query a server like whatismyip.com and reset the IP and the DNS record |
| 02:28.58 | mfrisch | roby: helix player |
| 02:29.00 | mertz | SerajewelKS: Your router/DHCP server should be able to tell you what its IP is if you know its MAC. It should also be able to statically assign a dynamic IP, if it's the one providing the address. |
| 02:29.06 | SerajewelKS | roby: mplayer |
| 02:29.06 | mfrisch | roby: vlc |
| 02:29.28 | sanxiyn | mfrisch: Can Helix Player play Realmedia? |
| 02:29.29 | SerajewelKS | mertz: for DMZ it assigns the server the same IP as its external IP |
| 02:29.30 | mertz | SerajewelKS: There are programs to do just that. I guess you're using DynDNS? |
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| 02:29.54 | roby | SerajewelKS: mplayer doesn't want to do it: signal 11 crash |
| 02:29.55 | SerajewelKS | mertz: yeah, zoneedit. i write a script in /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks |
| 02:30.06 | roby | mfrisch: helix not in apt i guess eh? or is it 'realplayer' ? |
| 02:30.13 | SerajewelKS | roby: might be DRM, in which case helix is your only option for realmedia |
| 02:30.16 | sanxiyn | !info helix-player |
| 02:30.19 | dpkg | helix-player: (the helix audio and video player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 3995 kB, Installed size: 10492 kB |
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| 02:30.22 | helix | argh stop the madness |
| 02:30.29 | sanxiyn | helix: oops |
| 02:30.38 | SerajewelKS | mertz: it works maybe six out of seven times |
| 02:30.46 | SerajewelKS | mertz: the other times i don't know, seems like the router just craps out |
| 02:31.13 | mertz | SerajewelKS: What router are you using? |
| 02:31.25 | SerajewelKS | mertz: some 2WIRE pos |
| 02:31.34 | mertz | The wireless one or the other one? |
| 02:31.40 | SerajewelKS | mertz: ethernet/wireless/usb dsl modem |
| 02:31.49 | SerajewelKS | mertz: router+modem |
| 02:31.54 | mertz | That'd be the same one my Dad's got. |
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| 02:32.00 | roby | wow, apt-cache search helix gives me metacity-themes and realplayer only |
| 02:32.12 | SerajewelKS | mertz: what i wouldn't give for a linksys |
| 02:32.21 | mertz | I can't blame you |
| 02:32.34 | sanxiyn | roby: It gives helix-player and mozilla-helix-player for me... |
| 02:32.44 | roby | etch here |
| 02:33.05 | roby | makes a diff? |
| 02:33.09 | mfrisch | no |
| 02:33.16 | mertz | SerajewelKS: So it's actually giving the DMZ system its external IP as its only IP? That's kind of weird. The DMZ setups I've seen on other routers just forward all the ports, I thought. |
| 02:33.28 | sanxiyn | roby: maybe |
| 02:33.56 | roby | sanxiyn: i think it's nerim... it's over-writting helix |
| 02:34.01 | roby | let me remove that mirror and try |
| 02:34.06 | SerajewelKS | mertz: that's what i thought they did too |
| 02:34.10 | sanxiyn | roby: I confirmed that it's not present in testing. |
| 02:34.19 | roby | ok |
| 02:34.27 | SerajewelKS | mertz: if i create a service that covers the entire port range TCP and UDP it won't let me assign that service to a computer |
| 02:34.35 | roby | sanxiyn: so it's not in sarge either right? |
| 02:34.42 | SerajewelKS | mertz: but i still need to update dyndns when the ip changes |
| 02:34.43 | sanxiyn | roby: It's in Sarge. |
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| 02:34.48 | roby | what on earth ahaha |
| 02:35.34 | mertz | SerajewelKS: You might try giving it a second IP. It is possible to run two subnets over one cable, though I've never done it, and it would probably get all borked up running through that router. |
| 02:35.34 | SerajewelKS | mertz: so i'm kind of stuck, unless i want to.... hey =) |
| 02:35.34 | kspath | SerajewelKS: traceroute capture N hops parse IP |
| 02:35.58 | SerajewelKS | mertz: write a script that fetches the "broadband link" status page and parse out the IP |
| 02:36.01 | roby | mfrisch: vlc does not seem to exist either |
| 02:36.25 | kspath | why over complicate things |
| 02:36.26 | SerajewelKS | mertz: hackish but it would work nicely without needing an external server to provide my external ip |
| 02:36.29 | sanxiyn | roby: Indeed. Stable has 0.8.1+svn, unstable has 0.8.4 for vlc. |
| 02:36.31 | mfrisch | roby your on crack |
| 02:36.31 | mertz | SerajewelKS: Sounds like more trouble that I would want to go to, but if you're up for it. |
| 02:36.34 | sanxiyn | roby: Missing in testing. |
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| 02:36.49 | roby | ok, well, i'm installing realplayer off of marillat, maybe it will do it for me |
| 02:36.50 | sanxiyn | roby: Try http://packages.qa.debian.org/vlc yourself. |
| 02:36.53 | SerajewelKS | kspath: because afaik traceroute will capture the internal router address, not the external one |
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| 02:36.56 | blobp | how do i use a .sh file? |
| 02:37.12 | roby | mfrisch: not that i know of, but suguar does about the same for me ;) |
| 02:37.13 | SerajewelKS | kspath: on the other hand, if my box has the old IP still, it might not be able to contact the router *or* do a traceroute (all IRC connections drop anyway) |
| 02:37.19 | mertz | SerajewelKS: You're right. It always captures the nearest interface's address. |
| 02:37.20 | maalox | How can I emulate a mouse with my keyboard in Xorg? |
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| 02:37.31 | abrotman | beardy: did you figure that out? |
| 02:37.32 | SerajewelKS | mertz: though a secondary IP might make it possible for me to still access the server |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | or maybe it was bucky |
| 02:37.36 | mfrisch | roby: ME TOO |
| 02:37.36 | thd | something went worg with the new configuration of updated Postgres packages for Postgres 7.4 in etch. Now init hangs at "Starting PostgreSqL 7.4 database server: main" on reboot. Can I bypass this init error without editing the init configuration? |
| 02:37.43 | abrotman | maalox: in kde/gnome ? |
| 02:37.54 | maalox | abrotman: I use ion3 |
| 02:38.06 | mfrisch | !info vlc |
| 02:38.07 | SerajewelKS | mertz: i've a similar setup in my dorm room... my desktop and server both have a university IP and a private IP (so they can talk without going through the university router) |
| 02:38.12 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4.debian-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7700 kB, Installed size: 18500 kB |
| 02:38.14 | abrotman | maalox: does it even use a mouse ? |
| 02:38.16 | maalox | abrotman: It seems to me that when I used xfree86 it was built in? |
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| 02:38.28 | abrotman | maalox: there should be a way to do it |
| 02:38.29 | mertz | SerajewelKS:what's causing the outages that are causing the IP to change? |
| 02:38.31 | blobp | how do i use/run a .sh file? |
| 02:38.32 | sanxiyn | thd: I think I heard it some time ago... |
| 02:38.34 | maalox | abrotman: a mouse is useful for web browsing :) |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | maalox: tab! |
| 02:38.46 | SerajewelKS | mertz: i've got no idea. called dad, he said the power didn't go out. |
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| 02:38.47 | mertz | SerajewelKS: You don't need 2 IPs to skip the router. If they're on the same subnet, they communicate directly anyway. |
| 02:38.59 | SerajewelKS | mertz: yeah they're not on the same subnet |
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| 02:39.05 | SerajewelKS | mertz: google "clean access" |
| 02:39.16 | SerajewelKS | mertz: biggest abomination in the history of networking |
| 02:39.26 | maalox | abrotman: ok well |
| 02:39.35 | mertz | what, a separate subnet per machine or some crap? |
| 02:39.36 | maalox | abrotman: I still need a mouse for some things :) |
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| 02:39.43 | maalox | abrotman: er, a cursor |
| 02:39.43 | litage | what's the difference between /var/lib/ and /usr/lib/ ? |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | maalox: google said nothing ? |
| 02:39.45 | SerajewelKS | mertz: each PC goes on a /30 subnet (2 ips, the comp and a virtual router) |
| 02:39.54 | maalox | abrotman: Not that I can find |
| 02:39.57 | mertz | yup. That's what I guessed. |
| 02:39.59 | thd | sanxiyn: did you here a solution or just the problem? |
| 02:40.00 | SerajewelKS | mertz: so all dorm traffic... *ALL* of it is routed by some server at IT |
| 02:40.13 | mertz | I agree. That's an abomination. |
| 02:40.14 | sanxiyn | thd: I think I just hacked pg_hba.conf and forgot about it. |
| 02:40.18 | abrotman | maalox: see if #freedesktop knows how |
| 02:40.24 | SerajewelKS | mertz: the upside being that viruses can be blocked |
| 02:40.27 | sanxiyn | thd: Maybe it's entirely different problem, but symptom looks same. |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | maalox: i'm not sure there is a #xorg |
| 02:40.27 | maalox | abrotman: I'll give it a go |
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| 02:40.51 | SerajewelKS | mertz: i work at the IT department helpdesk and it does reduce the number of virus/spyware calls we get, but it's still a royal pain for geeks like myself, hence the private IP |
| 02:41.00 | mertz | SerajewelKS:Oh, yeah, it'd be WONDERFUL from a security standpoint, but you'd need a hardcore CPU in the router. |
| 02:41.27 | mertz | SerajewelKS:Mind if I ask what university? |
| 02:41.33 | SerajewelKS | mertz: i don't think the server is anything really special.. afaik it never goes over 1% CPU, but nobody told me the stats on the network interface |
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| 02:41.47 | SerajewelKS | mertz: anderson university |
| 02:41.53 | mertz | Where's that? |
| 02:41.57 | SerajewelKS | mertz: anderson |
| 02:41.59 | SerajewelKS | mertz: =P |
| 02:41.59 | The00Outlaw | man...im soo flippin close i can taste it... |
| 02:42.08 | thd | sanxiyn: can I bypass the init so that the machine will continue booting without booting from a rescue disc? |
| 02:42.14 | mertz | Anderson... where? Can I get a state? Country? |
| 02:42.20 | roby | sanxiyn: realplayer worked, good enough for me |
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| 02:42.44 | sanxiyn | roby: Fine. helix-player seems to be stuck because of security and build problems. |
| 02:42.52 | sanxiyn | roby: Sarge had http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-915 |
| 02:43.15 | SerajewelKS | mertz: indiana |
| 02:43.23 | mertz | ok. Thanks. |
| 02:43.26 | sanxiyn | (remote arbitrary code execution) |
| 02:43.31 | The00Outlaw | i installed "apt-get install kdm" and it loaded automatically out of text console (thank god), it let me login, and then it went to a blue screen, i can right click and it will bring up options, but i cant see anything other than blue |
| 02:43.36 | SerajewelKS | mertz: you're not going to send us hatemail i hope ;) |
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| 02:43.56 | SerajewelKS | mertz: AU was basically the first university to use clean access, btw... google "clean access" "anderson university" |
| 02:44.08 | mertz | SerajewelKS:No, no, no. I'm just wondering. I worked for a University IT department as well, for almost a year. |
| 02:44.09 | Kamikazee | so how stable is 3.5 in sid? |
| 02:44.11 | Kamikazee | kde htat is |
| 02:44.35 | SerajewelKS | mertz: i see myself working there basically all four years |
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| 02:45.10 | SerajewelKS | mertz: i'm doing performance analysis of the library server and working on a new helpdesk ticket tracking solution since the current one sucks balls and makes my regular helpdesk tech job a PITA |
| 02:45.15 | mertz | SerajewelKS: I started while I was a Master's student. I wish I'd gotten in sooner. It was great, and they must've loved me 'cause they promoted me in less than 2 months. |
| 02:45.36 | SerajewelKS | mertz: i was among probably about 30 applicants.. they hired 6 |
| 02:45.50 | SerajewelKS | mertz: so i was pretty pumped about it |
| 02:45.52 | mertz | SerajewelKS: We were getting ready to switch to a new ticketing system when I left. As far as I know they haven't. |
| 02:45.58 | mertz | ...yet |
| 02:46.08 | SerajewelKS | mertz: from the looks of things it's going to be homegrown LAMP |
| 02:46.19 | SerajewelKS | mertz: i can't find *anything* decent out there |
| 02:46.33 | SerajewelKS | mertz: at least not for what we need it to do |
| 02:46.41 | mertz | SerajewelKS: Well, homegrown has definite pros and cons. Just make sure you keep the people who build it and that they document it REALLY well. |
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| 02:47.11 | SerajewelKS | mertz: yeah, uhm i'm building it ;) |
| 02:47.35 | SerajewelKS | mertz: this is basically going to be the first php project where i'm going to actually use *gasp* COMMENTS |
| 02:47.56 | mertz | SerajewelKS: Well, that might make it a little harder to convince them that they MUST keep you around long enough to teach a few others how the backend works. |
| 02:48.44 | The00Outlaw | mertz: i installed "apt-get install kdm" and it loaded automatically out of text console (thank god), it let me login, and then it went to a blue screen, i can right click and it will bring up options, but i cant see anything other than blue |
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| 02:48.56 | odla | i can't get the correct resolution in X |
| 02:49.01 | mertz | SerajewelKS: https://help.umr.edu/ if you want to see what we had. Click the Visitors link for a customer-side view. |
| 02:49.06 | odla | it's coming up as 640x480 instead of 1024x768 |
| 02:49.13 | odla | i have a intel 845 chip |
| 02:49.36 | odla | my resolution is fine in sarge |
| 02:49.45 | odla | but once i upgraded to etch the resolution scrwed up |
| 02:50.53 | mertz | The00Outlaw: What options are available. I don't think I've ever seen what you're seeing... I'm using Gnome, so I'm a little lost to begin with. |
| 02:51.12 | gary | my resolution is fine in etch :0) |
| 02:51.35 | mertz | The00Outlaw: You might take a look at the recommended packages from when you installed kdm. Perhaps there are some in there that should have been more than recommended. |
| 02:52.18 | Dewi | hmm. tripwire, aide, or systraq? |
| 02:52.22 | mertz | odla: You might check your xfree86.conf or xorg.conf file. See if the default resolution changed for some reason |
| 02:52.26 | Dewi | so many choices |
| 02:52.49 | SerajewelKS | mertz: they *want* to keep me around |
| 02:53.09 | SerajewelKS | mertz: so i'm not worried. the ITS director and me are on very good terms. |
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| 02:53.22 | mertz | SerajewelKS: That's definitely good as far as pull on your salary. :-) |
| 02:53.42 | SerajewelKS | mertz: gah, i get student wages |
| 02:53.55 | SerajewelKS | mertz: i make more by doing work on my own time (write helpdesk software, etc) |
| 02:53.57 | worthy | everyone went to sleep? |
| 02:54.03 | jetscreamer | you might be looking for apt-get install kde-core or something, The00Outlaw ... or just kde maybe |
| 02:54.05 | mertz | SerajewelKS: for now. After you graduate, definitely demand more. I made the mistake of not knowing what to ask for. |
| 02:54.10 | Azar | yay got a new game! http://www.xdr.com/dash/scavenger.html |
| 02:54.19 | Azar | ops sorry |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | odla: you hate us! |
| 02:54.43 | odla | abrotman: no |
| 02:54.46 | The00Outlaw | do i have to uninstall kdm to use kde? |
| 02:54.58 | mertz | kdm is a part of kde. |
| 02:55.13 | The00Outlaw | =_= |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | apparently |
| 02:55.17 | mertz | so just install kde and it'll add some more packages. A LOT of more packages. :-P |
| 02:55.22 | The00Outlaw | lmao |
| 02:55.42 | roby | sanxiyn: realplayer is built on helix-player |
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| 02:55.49 | jetscreamer | kdm is kinda just the thing to log in with |
| 02:55.49 | The00Outlaw | alrighty, i guess ill try that...*sighs* ill be back |
| 02:55.53 | jetscreamer | but it's really more |
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| 02:56.06 | odla | has gravity been around...i've got an X problem |
| 02:56.10 | sanxiyn | roby: Maybe it had same security problem then. |
| 02:56.15 | jetscreamer | there is no X |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | odla: nope |
| 02:56.36 | odla | shit |
| 02:56.39 | roby | sanxiyn: but realplayer is off of marilat |
| 02:56.54 | jetscreamer | odla: but if you went from sarge to etch did you go from xfree to xorg ? |
| 02:57.00 | mertz | kdm is the K Desktop Manager. KDE is the K Desktop Environment. The first handles just windowing I guess? The latter adds a TON of stuff... i.e. the entire environment. |
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| 02:57.06 | SerajewelKS | mertz: if i'm still working there. i can only take so much of a windows environment. |
| 02:57.15 | ice_1963 | jest install realplayer |
| 02:57.16 | jetscreamer | kdm is the display manager |
| 02:57.19 | The00Outlaw | oh, how do i boot stop it from booting into kdm so i can stay in the text console? |
| 02:57.27 | azeem | mertz: the former handles desktops, not windows |
| 02:57.27 | jetscreamer | !nodm |
| 02:57.28 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:57.35 | mertz | SerajewelKS: I know exactly what you mean. Just look at it this way. Windows pays the bills. Linux keeps you interested. |
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| 02:57.43 | odla | jetscreamer: no...i did a fresh install of etch |
| 02:57.50 | SerajewelKS | mertz: there's no clean access client for *nix and the windows one uses HTTPS, so i had to install a wininet HTTPS hook to sniff out the protocol... two minutes later i've got a perl script that does the job. |
| 02:57.52 | odla | jetscreamer: i previously was running sarge though |
| 02:58.01 | odla | jetscreamer: and i've used bpo xorg and it worked |
| 02:58.02 | odla | fine |
| 02:58.03 | jetscreamer | odla: did you save a copy of your configs? |
| 02:58.11 | odla | jetscreamer: not of xorg.conf |
| 02:58.14 | jetscreamer | bpo? |
| 02:58.20 | odla | jetscreamer: backports.org |
| 02:58.39 | mertz | SerajewelKS: You talking about your router again? |
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| 02:58.47 | SerajewelKS | mertz: everyone at ITS basically considers me one of the most unconventional problem-solvers |
| 02:58.51 | SerajewelKS | mertz: yes |
| 02:58.58 | SerajewelKS | mertz: anyway i have a hall meeting to go to, bbl |
| 02:59.09 | SerajewelKS | s/bbl/be back later/ # no AOL gayness |
| 02:59.11 | jetscreamer | odla: so you tried the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg eh |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | odla: what does/doesn't work ? |
| 02:59.16 | mertz | SerajewelKS: OK. I figured a Perl script would do the trick. Should be easy to look for the right location. So long. |
| 02:59.28 | odla | jetscreamer: yup |
| 02:59.33 | chealer | !tell SerajewelKS about gay |
| 02:59.35 | treyh0 | i keep getting a "Failed to create a file system" error when trying to install etch on i386 :( |
| 02:59.39 | odla | abrotman: the resolution is 640x480 |
| 02:59.45 | odla | not 1024x768 |
| 02:59.50 | treyh0 | but sarge installs fine |
| 02:59.59 | odla | if you google my computer and chipset it tells you to apply an 845patch |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | odla: did you reconfigure ? |
| 03:00.03 | odla | i didn't need it for sarge |
| 03:00.07 | odla | abrotman: yup |
| 03:00.15 | odla | i've applied it to etch to no avail |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | odla: checked your logs ? |
| 03:01.02 | odla | abrotman: where is my xorg log? it's not in /etc/X11 is it |
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| 03:01.25 | abrotman | !logs |
| 03:01.25 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 03:01.35 | paxl | is there a way to make a logical mount of filesystem.. [ IE: if that partition dont goes up .. mount this one at the place.. ] |
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| 03:02.07 | Kamikazee | Okay , i just switched from udev to hotplug and it doesnt pick up my usb keyboard. Any help? |
| 03:02.12 | mertz | odla: FYI, /etc is for files that you are expected to change. Other stuff lives other places |
| 03:02.28 | odla | abrotman: what exactly am i looking for there |
| 03:02.33 | odla | i could paste it |
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| 03:02.39 | abrotman | odla: EE lines |
| 03:02.49 | abrotman | odla: or otters |
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| 03:03.54 | odla | abrotman: he he |
| 03:04.00 | shingouz | on a drive with doze and three partitions, if i repartition the E: into root, home and swap with the debian installer, will winblowze still understand the partition table or do i get data loss? |
| 03:04.13 | [bono] | Question: Im trying to use mysql-query-browser but it requires libpcre.so.0 . The libpcre3 package gives me libpcre.so.3 which is not compatible with so.0 . I wanted to search for the right package but package.debian.org is down. Any idea? Anyone? |
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| 03:04.51 | ejofee | in kdm, if i mistake the password it waits for 2-3 secs and then asks me for a password again. how do i eliminate the 2-3 secs wait? |
| 03:04.58 | mertz | shingouz: Windows will only "count" FAT16, FAT32, and NTFS partitions. If it doesn't see any of these, the drive HAS no partitions as far as it's concerned. |
| 03:05.20 | odla | the only EE is related to my synaptics mouse driver |
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| 03:05.32 | odla | which is wierd since my mouse is finally working correctly |
| 03:06.06 | chealer | [bono]: which release do you use? |
| 03:06.18 | devicenull | how can I view stats about my computer.. stuff like ram? |
| 03:06.30 | shingouz | mertz: umm.... the point is, i just want to repartition one partition into something i can install a real os onto and i do not have all the fancy tools with me now... just worrying about the partitioner on the sarge DVD |
| 03:06.41 | chealer | devicenull: $ cat /proc/meminfo |
| 03:06.49 | devicenull | thanks |
| 03:06.52 | [bono] | chealer: the one available at dev.mysql.com: 1.1.18 |
| 03:07.24 | chealer | [bono]: I meant your Debian release |
| 03:07.25 | TraceGreen | hello, does ntfsmount fully support ntfs write? |
| 03:07.37 | [bono] | chealer: unstable |
| 03:07.46 | odla | hrm..i'll be back |
| 03:07.49 | mertz | shingouz: If you want Windows to use it, I'd partition the whole thing with Windows, format the Windows partitions with Windows, and then install Linux after that's done. Linux will read Windows partitions (any format) more easily than Windows will read the same things created under Linux. I've run into trouble doing it backwards. |
| 03:07.51 | chealer | [bono]: is there something wrong with the Debian package? |
| 03:08.35 | [bono] | chealer: what package? |
| 03:08.38 | roby | TraceGreen: i don't think so |
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| 03:08.46 | mertz | shingouz: What exactly is the setup now, and what are you wanting? |
| 03:08.49 | shingouz | mertz: i'm not making myself clear. xp installed and running but i want to install debian on the "E" (/dev/hda5 or whatever) |
| 03:08.59 | chealer | [bono]: mysql-query-browser ? |
| 03:09.01 | roby | TraceGreen: afaik some write options are buggy or under development |
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| 03:09.15 | mertz | shingouz: So, Windows doesn't need to read the E: drive anymore, I hope? |
| 03:09.20 | shingouz | mertz: to get debian on it, i must have at least the root and swap on the now empty partition |
| 03:09.29 | mertz | shingouz: Correct. |
| 03:09.29 | devicenull | arg. |
| 03:09.33 | shingouz | mertz: with an 80G hd... no :) |
| 03:09.40 | devicenull | I have a cron job running, but it keeps emailing me when its done |
| 03:09.53 | nevyn | is there any way to ban a module from loading from the bootloader? |
| 03:10.10 | devicenull | how can I stop it from mailing me? |
| 03:10.21 | SBrown | who lives in alberta |
| 03:10.28 | mertz | shingouz: In that case, go back in under Windows and partition and format the shared portion of the drive, that you want readable by both. Then install Linux in the remaining space, partitioning and formatting as you would normally. |
| 03:10.32 | roby | SBrown: does :) |
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| 03:10.40 | jetscreamer | nevyn: if it's hotplug or discover that are loading the modules, it's called 'blacklisting' |
| 03:10.42 | [bono] | chealer: for some reason, i thought they didnt package mysql stuff... im king at waisting time like this... anyway, thanks a lot. :-) |
| 03:10.42 | SBrown | ding! |
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| 03:10.49 | jetscreamer | if not, just comment them out in /etc/modules |
| 03:10.53 | jetscreamer | or remove |
| 03:10.55 | SBrown | ne1 else? |
| 03:10.56 | chealer | [bono]: heh |
| 03:11.25 | shingouz | mertz: no windows partitioning tools here at the moment, i ony have the debian dvd. lets boot it up and see what happens |
| 03:11.25 | nevyn | jetscreamer: I'm talking about the installer system |
| 03:11.32 | chealer | SBrown: no, there's only 1 person that lives in Alberta. my friend only works there in my imagination |
| 03:11.37 | jetscreamer | and yes i believe you can tell one to not load from the boot: prompt but i'm not sure |
| 03:11.40 | nevyn | jetscreamer: I know about blacklisting once the systems install |
| 03:11.53 | SBrown | :< |
| 03:12.08 | jetscreamer | nevyn: #debian-boot maybe |
| 03:12.23 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
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| 03:13.01 | mertz | shingouz: You could try leaving Windows a portion to install itself on, and then format it when it gets installed, but I remember having trouble making Windows happy with using a Debian-created partition. I think I had to go back and wipe out both OSes and reinstall in the right order (Windows, then the real OS) |
| 03:13.30 | mertz | shingouz: If this is the E: drive though, what are C and D? |
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| 03:14.07 | kspath | I need sleep or a lot more caffiene |
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| 03:14.09 | shingouz | mertz: the running, functioning XP that i am not going to delete (even if i would like to but this is not my computer) |
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| 03:14.53 | mertz | Other partitions on the same 80 gig drive, or are they one or two other drives? |
| 03:15.25 | kspath | SerajewelKS: does my backup solution for you work or make sense? getting WAN gateway IP and pinging all 253 IPs in that block and whichever one responds is your WAN IP. It worked for me. |
| 03:15.44 | mertz | kspath: he left. |
| 03:15.46 | shingouz | mertz: other partitions on the same 80G drive. if E would be hdb, i would not even ask... |
| 03:15.50 | kspath | crap |
| 03:16.12 | kspath | my method works but it does ping 253 IPs that are not mine which is icky |
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| 03:16.55 | kspath | in icky networks you might get responses from all 253 IPs though. |
| 03:17.02 | jeanseb | hello, is eclipse available for debian 3.1running kde? |
| 03:17.08 | mertz | shingouz: So then you can dedicate the entire E: drive to Linux? If I'm right, you're already done with the whole first step. Windows has partitioned and formatted the drive, and now Linux can go into one of those partitions. Or does E need to be broken down further so Windows can still access some of it? |
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| 03:17.56 | abrotman | nope .. sarge has no eclipse |
| 03:18.03 | abrotman | try apt-get.org |
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| 03:18.28 | shingouz | mertz: the E has to be broken down to root and swap and windows does not need access to it at all |
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| 03:18.57 | mertz | Okay. Then the Debian installer will do that great. I'm sorry for the confusion, but I didn't fully understand what you were asking to do. |
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| 03:19.22 | odla | huh |
| 03:19.24 | mertz | Just make sure you know which partition you can delete. That is NOT a mistake you want to make. :-P |
| 03:19.39 | odla | i was hoping a bios update would take care of my resolution...but nope |
| 03:19.42 | jewel | How can I configure exim to relay mail for one single authenticated user? which docs should I be looking at? |
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| 03:20.05 | jeanseb | abrotman: what is apt-get.org? |
| 03:20.16 | zenwryly | what's the debian proper way to configure a runlevel to run without xdm when I still want the default runlevel to run xdm? |
| 03:20.25 | zenwryly | i Don't want it to run X at all |
| 03:20.28 | odla | is apt-get.org even current? |
| 03:20.32 | jetscreamer | nevyn: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html |
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| 03:20.48 | abrotman | jeanseb: a .. website ? |
| 03:20.53 | abrotman | !backports |
| 03:20.54 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 03:21.09 | abrotman | odla: no EE lines ? |
| 03:21.09 | shingouz | mertz: i know which partition i can fuck with, i am just asking if the debian installer can partition the empty hda5 into hda5 and hda6 to be used for root and swap without windows tossing a hissy-fit on me |
| 03:21.11 | abrotman | no WW lines ? |
| 03:21.30 | odla | abrotman: i've got ww lines |
| 03:21.38 | odla | abrotman: only EE lines are about my mouse |
| 03:21.42 | jeanseb | abrotman: looks like a command |
| 03:21.42 | shingouz | mertz: hda6 actually says the partitioner |
| 03:21.43 | mertz | shingouz: Yeah, that'll work fine. Like I said, sorry for all the confusion for such a simple answer. :-/ |
| 03:21.48 | worthy | is there a way i can make my links graphical? |
| 03:21.54 | chealer_ | zenwryly: if the runlevel isn't the default one, you configure it to run without xdm |
| 03:21.56 | abrotman | odla: paste your log somewhere |
| 03:22.34 | shingouz | mertz: ok, here goes nothing. thanks man :) |
| 03:22.50 | mertz | Good luck. |
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| 03:23.43 | zenwryly | chealer_: so I'm not violating policy by modifying the rc#.d directory? |
| 03:23.58 | odla | http://pastebin.com/512454 |
| 03:24.14 | odla | complains a bit about my bios |
| 03:24.20 | mertz | zenwryly: You can modify those, that's what they're there for. |
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| 03:24.33 | mertz | zenwryly: unfortunately I can't tell you more than that. |
| 03:24.37 | christor | please I search help , on a system I have a /var/log/bash which contains the hisotry command of user. But this file is more 100MB, so I decided to compress it. And I did a touch bash to create the new bash file but this file is always empty now , someone can help me? |
| 03:24.43 | abrotman | odla: you need to work on that prepending thing :) |
| 03:24.55 | odla | abrotman: prepending? |
| 03:25.00 | zenwryly | mertz: well maybe my awe-bound fear of Debian Policy is beginning to border on superstition :) |
| 03:25.23 | mertz | lol, dude. I can understand. |
| 03:25.25 | chealer_ | zenwryly: policy? Debian policy is for Debian developers. /etc is there to be modified |
| 03:25.41 | worthy | is there a way i can make my lynx graphical? |
| 03:25.42 | mertz | ...but Chealer's right. |
| 03:25.54 | abrotman | odla: when you selected your resolution with dpkg-reconfigure .. how many did you pick ? |
| 03:26.06 | mertz | worthy: Isn't links a graphical version of lynx? |
| 03:26.11 | giRL_17 | ada yang bisa diajak ngobrol ga? |
| 03:26.17 | worthy | im using lynx |
| 03:26.18 | odla | abrotman: it preselected one |
| 03:26.24 | odla | abrotman: so i selected two more |
| 03:26.24 | worthy | i don't like links too well |
| 03:26.29 | lps | worthy, you could do it with links and the -g commandline switch. You may need some special privileges though. |
| 03:26.33 | mertz | worthy: if you want images, you're SOL with lynx. |
| 03:26.47 | odla | abrotman: i selected 1024x768 through 640x468 |
| 03:26.51 | worthy | what is SOL? |
| 03:26.56 | zenwryly | chealer_: maybe I'm using the wrong term. I mean thins like using /etc/default and others. It seems like everytime I turn around Debian has some wonderfully clean way of doing something that previously I would just do more directly. Hence my asking first. |
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| 03:27.02 | odla | shit out of luck |
| 03:27.03 | nwp_ | worthy: Shit Outta Luck |
| 03:27.04 | worthy | shit outta luck? |
| 03:27.07 | worthy | yeah |
| 03:27.08 | worthy | lol |
| 03:27.19 | worthy | ok thans |
| 03:27.20 | kspath | christor: what is writing that log? did you tell it to use the new file? |
| 03:27.22 | worthy | k |
| 03:27.41 | ludovicus | hey all what's a good filebrowser program to use in fluxbox |
| 03:27.42 | kspath | christor: just like kill -HUP syslogd |
| 03:27.53 | mertz | Although I may be mistaken. To quote lps: "worthy, you could do it with links and the -g commandline switch. You may need some special privileges though." |
| 03:27.58 | abrotman | odla: only pick the one you want |
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| 03:28.06 | mertz | I've never heard of a graphical switch for it though. |
| 03:28.10 | nwp_ | w3m can do images with a "text" browser, but I think that only works in an xterm |
| 03:28.11 | odla | abrotman: ok...i'll try that |
| 03:28.14 | zenwryly | chealer_: and I seem to remember someone mentioning a debian tool that modified rc*.d dirs |
| 03:28.15 | jimb0 | ludo: i dont know, but i sure love fluxbox. |
| 03:28.17 | worthy | thank you mertz |
| 03:28.24 | worthy | anyone here using kopete irc? |
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| 03:28.30 | chealer_ | zenwryly: there are such tools. man update-rc.d |
| 03:28.32 | kspath | christor: study file locks and inodes and general file systems stuffs sorry I am half asleep |
| 03:28.49 | chealer_ | zenwryly: /etc/default is used to configure how daemons runs, not whether they run or not |
| 03:28.58 | lps | nwp_, w3m can work with the framebuffer as well. |
| 03:29.03 | odla | abrotman: i'll be back |
| 03:29.07 | odla | and i restart X |
| 03:29.07 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 03:30.05 | odla | no luck |
| 03:30.22 | odla | i wonder if it's a bug |
| 03:32.31 | mertz | odla: You can check to see if it's a known bug at bugs.debian.org |
| 03:33.03 | odla | mertz: i'm currently searching ;) |
| 03:33.08 | ludovicus | i guess i could install galeon but i hope it doesn't add all that gnome stuff |
| 03:33.08 | jetscreamer | nevyn: i know what you're trying to do, confirm the regression, but http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html#ss7.1 seems like the only way in the howto |
| 03:33.25 | jetscreamer | but won't do what you want |
| 03:33.26 | odla | this saddens me...i tried debian gnu/kfreebsd earlier and my mouse didn't work |
| 03:33.33 | odla | now in etch my resolution isn't |
| 03:33.34 | mertz | I believe that galeon depends on gnome stuff. |
| 03:33.50 | ludovicus | yep it do |
| 03:33.52 | shingouz | mertz: at least it depends on mozilla |
| 03:33.58 | jetscreamer | did you modprobe mousedev or whatever, odla ? |
| 03:34.07 | ludovicus | 46.3 mg of stuff |
| 03:34.11 | ludovicus | mb |
| 03:34.19 | chealer_ | odla: you mean you found two different bugs in Debian? and one in GNU/kfreebsd?! |
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| 03:34.25 | christor | kspath: ok it works ;) Thx |
| 03:34.53 | odla | jetscreamer: it wouldn't give me the option to select my mouse though in the installation guide it tells me there is the option to |
| 03:34.58 | abrotman | odla: did you try xrandr ? |
| 03:35.16 | odla | abrotman: for my mouse issue or resolution? |
| 03:35.29 | abrotman | resolution |
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| 03:35.39 | abrotman | odla: modprobe mousedev .. and use /dev/input/mice |
| 03:35.41 | odla | chealer_: i may have found one bug in gnu/linux and one in gnu/kfreebsd |
| 03:35.45 | kspath | christor: sysadm101 log rotations need to HUP the syslogd or syslog-ng or whatever is writing the file(s) |
| 03:35.57 | nevyn | jetscreamer: it doesn't help |
| 03:36.06 | jetscreamer | sounds to me like mousedev might not be getting loaded and so the mouse doesn't get detected. apt-get install read-edid mdetect either way |
| 03:36.13 | jetscreamer | nevyn: :( yeah |
| 03:36.15 | chealer_ | odla: congratulations :) |
| 03:36.29 | odla | chealer_: no ;) |
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| 03:36.48 | nekostar | which kernel is faster 2.4.x or 2.6.x ? |
| 03:36.53 | abrotman | depends |
| 03:36.56 | odla | abrotman: there isn't the option to select /dev/psm that they say there is in the installation manual |
| 03:36.56 | nevyn | nekostar: it depends |
| 03:37.01 | nekostar | on? |
| 03:37.03 | chealer_ | nekostar: depends. ask #kernel |
| 03:37.04 | odla | though i know kfreebsd is offtopic here |
| 03:37.09 | jetscreamer | /dev/psm? wtf is psm |
| 03:37.11 | nevyn | nekostar: hardware, workload |
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| 03:37.16 | abrotman | nekostar: no fewer than 234254 different items |
| 03:37.22 | nekostar | lol |
| 03:37.24 | odla | jetscreamer: debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 03:37.29 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 03:37.30 | nekostar | ok ill just do the 2.6.x |
| 03:37.38 | ejofee | they say europe is patent free, and usa is not. but then... are there any apps which can be gpled in europe and can't be gpled in the usa? |
| 03:37.38 | oem | hi all, is there any replacement for "chkconfig" in ubuntu? |
| 03:37.44 | nekostar | installing from the nov etch but i can just dist-upgrade to current neh? |
| 03:37.49 | odla | the freebsd kernel is pretty damn fast though |
| 03:37.51 | jetscreamer | ejofee: mplayer? |
| 03:37.59 | odla | abrotman: what do i hope to get from xrandr? |
| 03:38.02 | nevyn | nekostar: that's possibly a terrible idea |
| 03:38.07 | abrotman | odla: change your resolution ? |
| 03:38.11 | oem | i tried apt-get install rcconf ... but it says package not found! |
| 03:38.13 | nekostar | nevyn, which bit |
| 03:38.24 | jetscreamer | rc-conf maybe |
| 03:38.24 | nevyn | upgrading etch -> etch |
| 03:38.33 | nekostar | um |
| 03:38.37 | odla | abrotman: how do i change it...the man is like 2 paragraphs |
| 03:38.37 | nekostar | im using an old installer is al |
| 03:38.44 | kspath | wow, it would be nice to get paid to admin unix/linux machines |
| 03:38.55 | nekostar | nov 5 or something |
| 03:38.56 | chealer_ | nevyn: why? |
| 03:38.59 | ejofee | jetscreamer: right... but then debian should make it clear that mplayer is actually legal in europe and keep it in official repos. right? |
| 03:39.00 | abrotman | odla: uhm |
| 03:39.02 | oem | couldn't find rc-conf either |
| 03:39.09 | jetscreamer | ejofee: beyond me |
| 03:39.09 | abrotman | xrandr -q |
| 03:39.11 | monteiro | which gnome package is that mouse style that isn't the default ? |
| 03:39.12 | abrotman | then pick a size |
| 03:39.15 | mertz | nekostar: How are you doing the kernel upgrade? Manually or via packages? |
| 03:39.15 | ejofee | jetscreamer: right. thanks. |
| 03:39.24 | sanxiyn | ejofee: IIRC, mplayer problem was more about unclear license situation |
| 03:39.30 | nekostar | mertz, fresh install |
| 03:39.36 | sanxiyn | ejofee: By the way, I'm not sure what's blocking it *now*. |
| 03:39.39 | nekostar | going with the default 2.6.x |
| 03:39.39 | ejofee | jetscreamer: is kpdf in the same situation? |
| 03:39.56 | chealer_ | !topicsmite oem |
| 03:39.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon oem. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:40.11 | mertz | nekostar: Then I'd DEFINITELY go 2.6 unless you're on some seriously ancient hardware. You'll likely want to upgrade later, and that can be a pain if you're doing it semi-manually. |
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| 03:40.19 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 03:40.21 | ejofee | sanxiyn: why are you not sure what's blocking it *now*? has its license become "clearer"? |
| 03:40.22 | jetscreamer | ejofee: i don't know. the laws of man mean nothing to me :) (i heard that in a movie, it sounded cool...) |
| 03:40.28 | odla | abrotman: that still doesn't give me any options to change resolutin |
| 03:40.35 | sanxiyn | ejofee: Yes. Because of huge efforts. |
| 03:40.38 | ejofee | jetscreamer :)) |
| 03:40.48 | sanxiyn | ejofee: Somebody actually tracked the licenses. |
| 03:40.48 | abrotman | odla: how many does it list ? |
| 03:41.07 | odla | abrotman: one |
| 03:41.14 | odla | abrotman: 640x480 |
| 03:41.18 | jetscreamer | odla: so the xorg actually does start, but doesn't look good enough? |
| 03:41.24 | ejofee | sanxiyn: however, it is still illegal (for patenting reasons) in the usa, right? |
| 03:41.30 | odla | jetscreamer: xorg starts but at the wrong resolution |
| 03:41.30 | bucky | oem: sysv-rc-conf or does ubuntu not have that? |
| 03:41.35 | mertz | nekostar: I compile my own kernels, have since 2.4, and the upgrade required installing a bunch of new packages that were a pain to track down. When I start with a 2.6 kernel from the install, it's a breeze. (And if you're after squeezing out speed from your kernel, you might want to build one yourself) |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | odla: where's your X log again ? |
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| 03:41.41 | sanxiyn | ejofee: IIRC, Debian policy is to ignore unenforced patents. |
| 03:41.42 | ejofee | sanxiyn: or has it been broken into a legal core and some illegal extensions? |
| 03:41.48 | abrotman | odla: and maybe your X conf too |
| 03:42.00 | ejofee | sanxiyn: ok, thanks. |
| 03:42.12 | nekostar | yeah gonna try a kernel build of my own but yeah for the install 2.6.x on the way thanx mertz |
| 03:42.13 | oem | how do i list all services using update-rc.d? or i just can't do it..? |
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| 03:42.38 | bucky | oem ls /etc/init.d |
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| 03:43.05 | chealer_ | oem: if you're not using Debian, you're at the wrong place |
| 03:43.35 | yeffyumby | mertz: its The00Outlaw, after i loaded KDE everything worked |
| 03:43.37 | oem | ubuntu |
| 03:43.42 | ejofee | chealer_: what makes you assume oem's not using debian? |
| 03:43.44 | yeffyumby | its fully working now |
| 03:43.48 | ejofee | chealer_: (just curious) |
| 03:43.52 | nekostar | oem, try #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
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| 03:43.55 | yeffyumby | ^^ |
| 03:43.57 | bucky | oem: did #ubuntu fall off the face of the earth? |
| 03:43.58 | nekostar | and try the forums |
| 03:44.00 | chealer_ | ejofee: the fact that he asked about ubuntu |
| 03:44.00 | odla | [#debian] protocols specified are supported and host-bas |
| 03:44.04 | odla | sorry |
| 03:44.07 | mertz | nekostar: Once you've done it (built a kernel) a few times it's easy, but at first you tend to forget things like... IDE... and the motherboard chipset... and not to build your root filesystem as a module. And then there was that one network driver that completely broke DHCP without it... |
| 03:44.07 | jetscreamer | mertz, way to go |
| 03:44.10 | mertz | Thanks |
| 03:44.13 | oem | they don't seem to have time for me |
| 03:44.14 | odla | [#debian] protocols specified are supported and host-bas |
| 03:44.16 | ejofee | chealer_: oh, i caught only oem's last reply |
| 03:44.20 | odla | wtf |
| 03:44.32 | jetscreamer | oem: so you know why some ppl prefer to run debian |
| 03:44.40 | bucky | oem: they are the user friendly community |
| 03:44.44 | yeffyumby | jetscreamer ty for ur help as well <--The00Outlaw |
| 03:44.51 | amphi | odla: yeah, 'host-bas', got it, thanks ;) |
| 03:44.53 | odla | http://pastebin.com/512472 |
| 03:45.00 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:45.02 | oem | should i siwtch to debian? |
| 03:45.07 | yeffyumby | yes |
| 03:45.10 | yeffyumby | yes u should |
| 03:45.11 | odla | amphi: no idea what the fuck that was about |
| 03:45.12 | yeffyumby | ^^ |
| 03:45.12 | jetscreamer | oem: that's a personal choice |
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| 03:45.17 | ejofee | is w32codecs in the same situation? namely, legal in europe and illegal in the usa? |
| 03:45.18 | bucky | no you should join ubuntu |
| 03:45.27 | odla | abrotman: that link has xorg and the log |
| 03:45.32 | dvs | I'm with bucky |
| 03:45.36 | oem | any advantages over ubuntu or centOS? |
| 03:45.51 | chealer_ | oem: who knows. but if you want help here when you get problems, you must |
| 03:45.51 | Dewi | ejofee: probably a grey area |
| 03:45.59 | mertz | oem, it depends... Do you want to get down in the nitty gritty when you can (and sometimes when you have to?) or would you rather have a higher-level OS that does most of the management for you? |
| 03:46.14 | oem | i started with linux based - centOS few weeks ago.. |
| 03:46.16 | amphi | ejofee: may be less legal in the eu soon, the sw patent trolls are at it again |
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| 03:46.31 | ejofee | amphi: what is sw? |
| 03:46.39 | bucky | software? |
| 03:46.42 | nekostar | oem, |
| 03:46.49 | amphi | ejofee: software |
| 03:46.49 | oem | ubuntu and centos seem to be quite different |
| 03:46.53 | nekostar | ubuntu is a tad bit more friendly but debian is faster anyway |
| 03:46.56 | abrotman | odla: i see |
| 03:46.58 | nekostar | centos is way different |
| 03:47.02 | mertz | oem, I've never used CentOS... Debian, Dead Hat once, and I have an Ubuntu system... but almost all are Debian. |
| 03:47.04 | shingouz | i do not understand why this computer seems to have read errors on the dvd... looks like i must replace the frigging drive completely |
| 03:47.05 | nekostar | its like redhat |
| 03:47.08 | ejofee | bucky, amphi... right... |
| 03:47.19 | Dewi | anyone recommend a well-packaged and mature intrustion detection software that will email me diffs and information on system changes, with a minimum of Total System Understanding from me? |
| 03:47.21 | bucky | !sw |
| 03:47.22 | dpkg | troubled: you un-stats whore |
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| 03:47.39 | oem | why do you guys prefer debian over red hat? |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | odla: check lines 1392-1397 |
| 03:47.47 | ejofee | amphi: the software patent trolls are losing battle after battle anyway. |
| 03:47.49 | Dewi | oem: becauze red hat is broken |
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| 03:47.53 | chealer_ | oem: we don |
| 03:48.08 | oem | what do you mean by "broken"? |
| 03:48.09 | ejofee | oem: what is redhat? |
| 03:48.14 | Dewi | oem: a lot of things |
| 03:48.15 | chealer_ | 't have a list of reasons to prefer Debian over all OSes |
| 03:48.15 | amphi | ejofee: see http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060116105000582 perhaps |
| 03:48.17 | mertz | oem: Red Hat itself is not corporate only. Fedora is their "new" consumer-grade version. |
| 03:48.22 | odla | abrotman: yeah i see that |
| 03:48.24 | chealer_ | oem: see /msg dpkg why debian |
| 03:48.40 | oem | thanks for helping me out |
| 03:48.42 | odla | abrotman: how do i make a mode of that name |
| 03:48.48 | abrotman | odla: NFC |
| 03:48.48 | oem | i am rather new to linux world... as you all could see |
| 03:49.06 | nekostar | oem |
| 03:49.08 | nekostar | ;basically |
| 03:49.11 | bucky | oem: the ubuntu developers swim with dolphins |
| 03:49.11 | jetscreamer | WW) I810(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum (II) I810(0): Generic Monitor: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00 kHz |
| 03:49.11 | jetscreamer | (II) I810(0): Generic Monitor: Using default vrefresh range of 43.00-72.00 H |
| 03:49.18 | nekostar | redhat is much easier to take advantage of than debian |
| 03:49.18 | mertz | Though I have not tried Fedora, I know it was spawned directly from Red Hat, and when I tried RH just before it did that, I didn't like the installer, the perceived lack of control, or the package manager. |
| 03:49.36 | ejofee | sanxiyn: i can't msg (says i am not registered)... thanks a lot for your msgs. |
| 03:49.36 | odla | abrotman: either you don't know or you're referring to the national football conference...according to dpkg |
| 03:49.46 | abrotman | odla: yeah |
| 03:49.49 | jetscreamer | odla: i'd guess it's the refresh rates of your lcd monitor ? |
| 03:49.59 | abrotman | odb_: everything seems in order |
| 03:50.04 | oem | i have always been a windows and mac user |
| 03:50.04 | sanxiyn | ejofee: no problem |
| 03:50.06 | abrotman | jetscreamer: what refresh rates ? |
| 03:50.17 | oem | what is that on mac os x? freebsd? |
| 03:50.24 | jetscreamer | abrotman: /lastlog jetscreamer |
| 03:50.26 | sanxiyn | oem: Darwin. |
| 03:50.41 | oem | what is that based on? |
| 03:50.42 | ejofee | oem: i guess max os x is breebsd-based. |
| 03:50.44 | mertz | oem: OS X is derived from one of the BSDs, I think Free. |
| 03:50.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: what refresh rates ? |
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| 03:50.52 | ejofee | oem: s/max/mac/ |
| 03:50.53 | amphi | oem: bsdishness on top of mach IIRC |
| 03:51.02 | abrotman | afaik .. LCD screens don't have true refresh rates .. |
| 03:51.06 | jetscreamer | abrotman: the ones i just pasted that came from odla's log |
| 03:51.12 | abrotman | i can read |
| 03:51.20 | jetscreamer | abrotman: actually i think they are set at one rate |
| 03:51.24 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 03:51.38 | abrotman | (--) I810(0): A non-CRT device is attached to pipe A. |
| 03:51.38 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.05 | mertz | abrotman, use your LCD at native resolution and native refresh rate. |
| 03:52.16 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:52.32 | abrotman | mertz: not me |
| 03:52.38 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i saw |
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| 03:53.04 | jetscreamer | abrotman: so does he/she have the correct video module for X loaded? |
| 03:53.04 | worthy | (L) |
| 03:53.20 | jetscreamer | i couldn't gleam that from the log |
| 03:53.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it seems so .. the lines i mentioned are more relevant |
| 03:54.05 | oem | what is the latest version of debian? and which version should i get? |
| 03:54.06 | odla | jetscreamer: i do i810 |
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| 03:54.13 | odla | jetscreamer: i have an intel 845 chip |
| 03:54.16 | dvs | oem: 3.1r1 |
| 03:54.17 | mertz | OEM, get Etch. |
| 03:54.19 | jetscreamer | yeah but what's the chip... ah |
| 03:54.39 | d0uglas | oem: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 03:54.47 | oem | does debian has x windows? |
| 03:54.53 | chealer_ | !x windows |
| 03:55.00 | d0uglas | if that's your thing |
| 03:55.03 | chealer_ | !xwindows |
| 03:55.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 03:55.04 | mertz | oem, it does. Choose x.org or XFree86. |
| 03:55.21 | nekostar | <3 xorg |
| 03:55.39 | chealer_ | dpkg: x windows is <reply> see xwindows |
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| 03:55.42 | oem | should i try the beta? |
| 03:55.50 | d0uglas | because it rulez |
| 03:56.11 | CoolWeb | anyone could help me with wine and isntalling Mplab 7.30 |
| 03:56.12 | chealer_ | oem: if you want etch and that's the suggested installer, yes |
| 03:56.32 | mertz | oem, testing is usually good for a home user. Unstable I'd only recommend for people who want to find bugs, and Stable runs way behind, but is good for servers and such |
| 03:56.40 | sanxiyn | CoolWeb: Have you checked AppDB? |
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| 03:56.51 | odla | abrotman: i'm sad to say it...but jetscreamer was right |
| 03:57.00 | odla | i changed my refresh rates and i got proper resolution now |
| 03:57.10 | odla | thanks jetscreamer and abrotman |
| 03:57.10 | abrotman | lcds don't have refresh! |
| 03:57.13 | CoolWeb | yeah i did... but the way they explained i installed however when i ran the thing |
| 03:57.19 | odla | abrotman: well it worked |
| 03:57.21 | odla | ;) |
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| 03:57.24 | CoolWeb | it just shows the loading screen and never loads |
| 03:57.32 | nekostar | yay 15 minutes till etch <3 |
| 03:57.44 | abrotman | odla: oh well ... enjoy |
| 03:58.11 | odla | abrotman: is OT sad with me not around? |
| 03:58.14 | sanxiyn | CoolWeb: Try #winehq |
| 03:58.33 | CoolWeb | in this server? |
| 03:58.37 | sanxiyn | CoolWeb: Yes. |
| 03:58.41 | CoolWeb | ok thx |
| 03:58.42 | bucky | CoolWeb: which version of debian are you using? |
| 03:58.42 | abrotman | odla: you can go back .. worst that happens is you get tossed again |
| 03:58.45 | sanxiyn | CoolWeb: Note that they don't like to support distro packages. |
| 03:58.56 | odla | abrotman: it's true |
| 03:58.56 | CoolWeb | I have testing of Debian |
| 03:59.17 | bucky | CoolWeb: use this guide to get the latest wine |
| 03:59.18 | bucky | http://linuxblogger.dyndns.org/weblog/index.php?/archives/79-Getting-Windows-only-websites-to-work-with-Linux.html |
| 03:59.28 | CoolWeb | ok |
| 03:59.38 | oem | ok guys, thanks alot for all the information |
| 03:59.48 | oem | will be back, once i have got debian installed! |
| 03:59.50 | oem | ch3ers |
| 03:59.52 | bucky | CoolWeb: then wine mlab_installer.exe |
| 04:00.01 | mertz | Good luck, oem |
| 04:00.10 | unreal | is it possible to edit /etc/adduser.conf and change GROUPHOMES and LETTERHOMES to yes so that it creates the first user the way I would like? |
| 04:00.11 | chealer_ | heh |
| 04:00.27 | unreal | er, bloody small terminal window, I missed off half of what I was meant to ask |
| 04:00.31 | unreal | lol |
| 04:00.44 | odla | abrotman: you know we got a big election up here next tuesday |
| 04:00.54 | unreal | is it possible to edit /etc/adduser.conf and change GROUPHOMES and LETTERHOMES to yes so that it creates the first user the way I would like it to during the debian install process? |
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| 04:01.36 | mertz | unreal: How is it that you want the first user to be created? |
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| 04:01.53 | jetscreamer | odla ftp://download.intel.com/design/motherbd/linux/graphics_release.pdf ftp://download.intel.com/design/motherbd/linux/graphics_1.0.tar.gz |
| 04:02.09 | odla | jetscreamer: what's are these? |
| 04:02.16 | ejofee | actually, when somebody believes software patents are acceptable but non-software patents are not, what are their typical philosophical distinctions between software and non-software patents? |
| 04:02.27 | jetscreamer | intel graphics |
| 04:02.50 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.intel.com/design/motherbd/linux/ |
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| 04:03.13 | unreal | mertz: for the home directory to be located in the manner the settings would apply... such as /home/users/u/unreal for example |
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| 04:03.34 | odla | jetscreamer: i fixed my resolution |
| 04:03.44 | jetscreamer | yes so you said |
| 04:03.45 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:03.54 | mertz | unreal: I guess you're going to be setting up a lot of users on this system in that manner then? |
| 04:03.54 | jetscreamer | wtg |
| 04:03.56 | nevyn | jetscreamer: I've gotten part way there |
| 04:03.58 | odla | oh...i thought that's why you were sending me that stuff |
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| 04:04.03 | unreal | mertz: for me the first user created has its home directory placed at /home/unreal, which means I have to fraff about for a bit to get it changed |
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| 04:04.09 | unreal | mertz: hopefully, yup |
| 04:04.19 | jetscreamer | nevyn: got it to not load, or on the way to the confirmation |
| 04:04.20 | nevyn | jetscreamer: booting with init=/bin/sh beats hotplug/detect |
| 04:04.25 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 04:04.33 | nevyn | but then my terminal is screwy |
| 04:04.35 | bucky | CoolWeb: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb |
| 04:04.50 | odla | abrotman: you tried the freebsd port? |
| 04:04.53 | mertz | unreal: I'd just make a "temporary" first user and set up the "real" first user the way you'll set up everyone else. Unless you want to install a bunch of systems this way. |
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| 04:04.55 | paxl | is there somewhere where I could get a .deb of sunbird ? |
| 04:05.07 | abrotman | odla: nope .. and not going to tnight .. sleepy time |
| 04:05.14 | mertz | unreal, you can always deluser anyone (except root, I believe) |
| 04:05.26 | unreal | mertz: well, that's kinda why i'm asking, is there a way to change it during the install? |
| 04:05.31 | odla | abrotman: you should some time |
| 04:05.40 | abrotman | ok .. later :) |
| 04:05.48 | jetscreamer | abrotman: stay awake 8 more hours and help these poor people fix thier stuff! |
| 04:05.54 | jetscreamer | make that 12 |
| 04:05.56 | abrotman | no .. i've been quiet all day |
| 04:06.02 | abrotman | people don't like me! |
| 04:06.10 | jetscreamer | i like you |
| 04:06.16 | abrotman | night :) |
| 04:06.25 | mertz | unreal, I'm sorry, but I haven't tried altering the installer. It is entirely possible, however, so if you need it that way don't give up. I just can't tell you how. |
| 04:06.26 | kspath | !smite abrotman |
| 04:06.30 | odla | jetscreamer: are you using wm? |
| 04:06.33 | odla | oops icewm |
| 04:06.40 | kds | I have been trying to reinstall flashplayer-nonfree but it doesn't put any file in the plugins folders for mozilla or firefox |
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| 04:07.06 | kspath | I hope abrotman can sleep with all those frogs croaking all night long. |
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| 04:07.13 | jetscreamer | kds: there's some doc somewhere on the net that tells you to symlink the plugin in the ff or moz plugin dir |
| 04:07.19 | jetscreamer | but that's all i remember |
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| 04:07.33 | jetscreamer | odla: not atm but i do yes |
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| 04:08.01 | ben | is debian going to issue a patch for the kernel vulnerability anytime soon? |
| 04:08.06 | jetscreamer | don't create an initial user |
| 04:08.08 | ejofee | sanxiyn, amphi, Dewi, jetscreamer: why not simply make patent restrictions legally enforceable *only* for proprietary code? i think this would be a great compromise! i think this is the last thing we should fight for, if everything else fails. do you agree? |
| 04:08.29 | jetscreamer | i think i'm not in #legal |
| 04:08.50 | bucky | kds i don't have a flashplayer-nonfree but i do have a flashplayer-mozilla |
| 04:08.50 | ejofee | jetscreamer: didn't know there was any such chan |
| 04:09.03 | ejofee | jetscreamer: ... and still don't :) |
| 04:09.05 | jetscreamer | there may be, and if there's not, there will be when somebody /j's it |
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| 04:09.23 | kds | bucky: does it add flashplayer to firefox too? |
| 04:09.25 | mertz | unreal, good luck. I know the installer is entirely modifiable. I hope you can figure out how to make the tweak you need, but I need to make like a banana and split. |
| 04:09.41 | chealer_ | ben: which kernel vulnerability? |
| 04:09.59 | ramy | why I can't find mplayer packages for debian sarge ? |
| 04:10.21 | amphi | ramy: ask dpkg about marillat |
| 04:10.56 | chealer_ | paxl: yes. http://people.debian.org/~asac/experimental/ |
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| 04:11.41 | ramy | amphi: hmm, how is that ? |
| 04:12.06 | jetscreamer | !tell ramy -about marillat |
| 04:12.08 | paxl | thank yah |
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| 04:12.17 | jetscreamer | aka /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 04:12.33 | ben | one second chealer_ |
| 04:12.37 | ben | finding link |
| 04:12.37 | ramy | thanks :) |
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| 04:13.11 | christor | someone already tried to parse XML file using Simplexm function? |
| 04:13.30 | nekostar | yay setup time :D:D:D:D |
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| 04:17.31 | SerajewelKS | chealer_: what the FUCK |
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| 04:18.15 | chealer_ | SerajewelKS: why the CAPS? |
| 04:18.29 | SerajewelKS | chealer_: you don't know why? |
| 04:18.52 | chealer_ | SerajewelKS: I'm not sure |
| 04:19.11 | SerajewelKS | chealer_: you !told a gay factoid to me |
| 04:19.32 | chealer_ | ok, so that's what I was thinking |
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| 04:19.45 | MacSlow | Greetings everybody! |
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| 04:20.57 | MacSlow | I'm new to debian (dpkg in particular) and wonder what equivalent there is to "rpm -qf /path/to/some/file" which tells me if that file belongs to any installed rpm or not |
| 04:21.13 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: dpkg -S foofile |
| 04:21.27 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, thx |
| 04:21.45 | dondelelcaro | (or the more interesting apt-file search foofile; which will tell you which packages provide foofile even if those packages aren't installed) |
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| 04:23.00 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, thanks again! |
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| 04:25.11 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, hm... I installed apt-file but that second command you described doesn't yield any results. |
| 04:25.12 | wuming | where I can find apache2 specific document? |
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| 04:25.33 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, is there some apt cache/db setup needed in order to make apt-file work? |
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| 04:25.51 | nekostar | ooo |
| 04:25.57 | nekostar | pretty login screen hehe |
| 04:26.07 | chealer_ | wuming: $ apt-cache search apache2 doc |
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| 04:26.34 | wuming | chealer_: where the doc is after install? |
| 04:26.47 | chealer_ | wuming: dpkg -L apache2-doc |
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| 04:28.07 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: you first need to apt-file updat;e |
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| 04:28.13 | dondelelcaro | s/;e/e;/ |
| 04:28.40 | nekostar | hum |
| 04:28.44 | nekostar | ive got no sound >_< |
| 04:29.16 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: and config file editing, IIRC. :( |
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| 04:29.32 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: nah, that's only if you don't have curl installed. |
| 04:29.43 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Which is likely. |
| 04:30.12 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: not if you're paying attention to recommends like you should be |
| 04:30.49 | sanxiyn | Well, I'm not complaining. |
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| 04:31.06 | raden | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.04 | liable | that was fun, upgrade craps out and shuts down x half way through. :) |
| 04:32.12 | livingtm | I just inserted the Debian NetInstall CD into my new laptop and followed the install procedure. DHCP failed, so i had to enter the ip manually. System completed base install and rebooted. During boot, i get "b44: eth0: Link is up...." but i cant ping my gateway (i know the network hardware is ok) |
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| 04:33.01 | Ping_chan | Does any one know what releases of Debian use specificaly the 2.4.18 kernel? i need it for a prebuilt device driver during installation |
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| 04:33.39 | sanxiyn | Ping_chan: Woody, IIRC. |
| 04:33.43 | livingtm | i can ping my own address ok, route table shows the default gateway properly |
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| 04:34.13 | Ping_chan | sanxiyn, so any thing from release 1 to release 6 of 3.0? |
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| 04:34.31 | livingtm | anyone have any suggestions ? |
| 04:34.48 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, ok... executed apt-file update (also asked for the install-cd), but cannot resolve security.ubuntu.com atm :/ |
| 04:34.59 | nekostar_ | 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) <<-- there's my sound card in lspci but debian is confused as to where it is... got a clue on what i should do ? |
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| 04:35.20 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: uh... if you're running Ubuntu, #ubuntu is over there.... |
| 04:35.45 | threat | (k)ubuntu == debian |
| 04:36.01 | nekostar_ | (x/k)ubuntu != debain |
| 04:36.24 | threat | (k)ubuntu == (debian + refinement) |
| 04:36.42 | sanxiyn | threat: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 04:36.50 | nekostar_ | well im not playing that game but they did their own patches so things are NOT always totally compatable |
| 04:36.57 | nekostar_ | thus the BASED on debian claim |
| 04:37.08 | Ping_chan | im supprised you guys havent started to auto kick people who say ubuntu, but that would just encourage people probly |
| 04:37.11 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, ehm... sorry... my bad... but for me (ubuntu/debian newbie) there's no difference between those two ;) Ok I know that debian is much more restrictive about the term "stable", but right now I don't care for the "fine" details :) |
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| 04:37.38 | nekostar_ | lol provide a new way out of the room Ping_chan |
| 04:37.44 | Ping_chan | :X |
| 04:37.45 | livingtm | is there a way to force a dhcp renew? |
| 04:37.57 | threat | livingtm, yes |
| 04:38.05 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: the differences are a bit more broad than that; the main issue though is that we'll give you Debian answers, not Ubuntu ones... [and it's annoying to deal with problems that aren't actually problems in Debian.] |
| 04:38.12 | threat | killall dhclient; dhclient eth0 |
| 04:38.22 | threat | for example |
| 04:38.50 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Well, the problem is that Debian troubleshooting procedure isn't guaranteed to work on Ubuntu and vice versa. |
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| 04:39.03 | livingtm | threat thx, thats attempting to work |
| 04:39.08 | threat | :) |
| 04:39.15 | livingtm | threat it seems to be timing out |
| 04:39.22 | threat | livingtm, or perhaps ifup eth0 |
| 04:39.25 | threat | ifdown eth0 |
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| 04:39.44 | livingtm | threat "interface eth0 already configured" |
| 04:39.48 | threat | although I dont know if debian net will dynamically edit /etc/network |
| 04:40.01 | threat | ifdown eth0 then |
| 04:40.03 | threat | then ifup eth0 |
| 04:40.06 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, sanxiyn: I understand very well. But for getting to know the basics of fundamental tools like dpkg & Co I feel better if I ask here. |
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| 04:40.42 | Munchkinguy | hello |
| 04:40.48 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, sanxiyn: Especially since I see myself forced to almost jump right into creating my own .deb for glew-1.3.3 |
| 04:41.02 | Munchkinguy | Could someone please help me with a technical problem? |
| 04:41.11 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: okay |
| 04:41.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell Munchkinguy -about ask |
| 04:41.32 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, sanxiyn: I really don't like to "polute" my filesystem with the typical "./configure --prefix=bla; make; make install" |
| 04:41.42 | livingtm | threat b44Leth0: link is up at 100mbps... b44:eth0 transmit timed out, resetting... b44:eth0: link is down.... b44: eth0: link is up at 100Mbp2... b44:eth0: flow control is off |
| 04:41.45 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: any reason why libglew1 won't work? |
| 04:41.45 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Try checkinstall then. |
| 04:41.57 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, sanxiyn: thus I try as good as I can to stick with the package-system of the distro I'm running. |
| 04:41.59 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Perhaps new version. Sid has 1.3.1. |
| 04:42.06 | livingtm | threat dhclient still times out |
| 04:42.18 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: yes... this is why I asked. |
| 04:42.26 | threat | livingtm, you have a DHCP server running in your network? |
| 04:42.29 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, some OpenGL 2.0 (GLSL-related stuff) doesn't work |
| 04:42.35 | nekostar | yay restart one heh |
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| 04:42.51 | livingtm | threat yes. It runs great in windows, and i just booted this machine from a gentoo live CD and dhcp worked dfine |
| 04:42.54 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: did you file bugs asking for a new upstream release? Once you've done that, it's fairly trivial to upgrade the package using uupdate or similar. |
| 04:42.57 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, it did under FC4 where I created my own src.rpm for glew-1.3.3 |
| 04:43.00 | dondelelcaro | (well, often fairly trivial) |
| 04:43.06 | Munchkinguy | dondelelcaro: I'm running Corel Linux, and I need to edit lilo.conf because Linux does not load. How do I do this? |
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| 04:43.13 | Ping_chan | Does any one here use highpoint-tech sata raid controllers under Debian? or use a Yellowbox NAS/Router? |
| 04:43.24 | threat | livingtm, hmmm what does dmesg say? did the network module load correctly? |
| 04:43.26 | dondelelcaro | Munchkinguy: this is #debian, not #corellinux or whatever corel's channel is... |
| 04:43.37 | threat | does corel still exist? |
| 04:43.42 | Munchkinguy | Corel Linux is debian-based |
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| 04:43.50 | Ping_chan | threat, I think Corel Linux made a new release, after what, Years |
| 04:43.52 | livingtm | threat is there something i should be grepping for? |
| 04:43.54 | dondelelcaro | Munchkinguy: that's great. It's still not Debian. |
| 04:44.00 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, not yet... I want to learn stuff and "give back" so setting glew as a target for that might be a good start to be a "real world" example. |
| 04:44.05 | threat | livingtm, eth0 / |
| 04:44.07 | threat | ? |
| 04:44.13 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: well, that's the first thing that I would do |
| 04:44.27 | odla | !tell Munchkinguy about debian based |
| 04:44.29 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, once that I got that working I would contact the offical maintainer for libglew |
| 04:44.32 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: I'd file a wishlist bug for new upstream version. |
| 04:44.45 | livingtm | threat: just b44:eth0 lines that are the same as what i go when i ifup'd |
| 04:44.51 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: 1) File a bug for the problem that requires the upgrade 2) File a bug asking for a new version 3) Build a new version of the package starting with the 1.31 version |
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| 04:45.18 | livingtm | threat accept this one: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 04:45.22 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, sounds reasonable |
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| 04:45.41 | threat | livingtm, *shrugs* |
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| 04:46.03 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: See also /msg dpkg mg |
| 04:46.07 | livingtm | threat *shrugs* me too. oh well, its time for sleep anyhow.. tomorrows another day.. thanks |
| 04:46.08 | sanxiyn | (Maintainer's Guide) |
| 04:46.08 | odla | does alsaconf not work in etch? |
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| 04:46.13 | nekostar | ok this is rather interesting lmfao |
| 04:46.33 | nekostar | when i login as my user it says no sound devices found but i can use xmms to play stuff ... |
| 04:46.36 | konfuzed | oh man vsftpd umask is screwed up adding a directory sets dr------wx newdir I cant seem to straighten that out with the umask in vsftpd.conf |
| 04:46.40 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, sanxiyn: btw... out of pure curiosity... who well does the sharing of patches/updates work between debian and ubuntu? |
| 04:46.42 | tchino | my xemacs crashed down with an memory-error at debian-sarge |
| 04:46.43 | konfuzed | any ideas |
| 04:46.44 | dondelelcaro | odla: probably not; you really shouldn't need it anyway. |
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| 04:47.02 | odla | dondelelcaro: how else can i probe for my sound card? |
| 04:47.06 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: No idea. Seems to depend on persons. |
| 04:47.09 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: depends on the person making the patches and the developer involved. |
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| 04:47.35 | dondelelcaro | odla: load the proper module. discover or hotplug or udev should be doing that automatically. |
| 04:47.47 | konfuzed | is it ok to set the user's shell to /bin/false to use it for ftp only |
| 04:47.57 | threat | livingtm, cya |
| 04:48.06 | dondelelcaro | odla: if not, load it yourself using modprobe or modconf. If you don't know what the proper module is, lspci, then use google to see what the right module is. |
| 04:48.07 | konfuzed | or is that screwing up my ftp permissions |
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| 04:48.33 | starscalling | the exact error is no volume control elements and/or elements found |
| 04:48.35 | odla | dondelelcaro: well i know alsaconf can recognize it |
| 04:49.02 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, the maintainer of libglew seems to be a debian dude -> "Marcelo E. Magallon <mmagallo@debian.org>" (from Synaptic) |
| 04:49.02 | dondelelcaro | odla: that's great, but alsaconf isn't supported anymore because it is totally not needed, and tends to break things in innovative ways. |
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| 04:49.18 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: that's because the package came from Debian. |
| 04:49.22 | odla | dondelelcaro: oh...i didn't know it wasn't supported anymore |
| 04:49.31 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Well, Ubuntu just keeps Maintainer: field of Debian packages. |
| 04:49.33 | odla | dondelelcaro: same with alsamixer? |
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| 04:49.46 | relic | hi |
| 04:49.51 | Ping_chan | Hello |
| 04:50.08 | relic | ty |
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| 04:50.13 | dondelelcaro | odla: alsamixer is a mixer; it's totally distinct. |
| 04:50.36 | odla | dondelelcaro: but it's suppose to come along when you install alsa-base correct? |
| 04:50.57 | dondelelcaro | odla: no, it's in alsa-utils |
| 04:51.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell odla -about search |
| 04:51.17 | odla | dondelelcaro: thanks i know about search |
| 04:51.19 | relic | !tell me about myth |
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| 04:51.51 | Ping_chan | !tell me about 2.4.18 |
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| 04:52.19 | dondelelcaro | odla: ok, then you should know that /msg dpkg find alsamixer; is the right way to resolve that question on your own |
| 04:52.39 | Salas11 | how come when i try to use the dig command it says command not found? |
| 04:52.57 | dondelelcaro | Salas11: you haven't installed dnsutils |
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| 04:53.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell Salas11 -about search |
| 04:53.32 | Salas11 | k |
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| 04:57.41 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Hm, glew needs xlibs-dev transition to be compiled on Sid... |
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| 04:58.49 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: I got 1.3.3 built, although I don't know how to test. |
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| 05:01.51 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: * Abort upgrade if old and now unsupported ISAM tables are present (thanks to David Coe). Closes: #345895 |
| 05:03.16 | MacSlow | dondelelcaro, sanxiyn: what do you think is better lintian or linda (both deb-package policy-checkers) |
| 05:03.26 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Use both. |
| 05:03.28 | dondelelcaro | MacSlow: they're different; start with lintian. |
| 05:03.58 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: For glew, you need to delete xlibs-dev from Build-Depends and add libx11-dev and libxmu-dev. |
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| 05:05.04 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, I have all three installed atm. |
| 05:05.19 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Well, xlibs-dev doesn't exist in Sid any more. |
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| 05:05.24 | MacSlow | ok |
| 05:05.41 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, btw... where is the usualy src.deb repository? |
| 05:05.42 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: After that, 1.3.3 should build with same diff.gz. |
| 05:06.03 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Add deb-src line to your sources.list. |
| 05:06.06 | yeffyumby | any1 know if Automatix will install on Debian? |
| 05:06.35 | sanxiyn | yeffyumby: Unlikely. |
| 05:06.40 | yeffyumby | damn |
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| 05:07.22 | worthy | what is the command for apt or dpkg to show information about a package in the cache please? |
| 05:07.41 | orchid | apt-cache show |
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| 05:07.53 | sanxiyn | (For anyone curious, Automatix is a install helper for Ubuntu Breezy which pulls multimedia codecs, flash plugins, etcetra.) |
| 05:07.55 | worthy | thanks |
| 05:08.08 | benley | hey, that sounds useful |
| 05:08.10 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, there are already several non-comment lines starting with deb-src in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:08.22 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Then, just apt-get source <source package name>. |
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| 05:08.44 | sanxiyn | benley: Well, you may want to port it to Sid then. |
| 05:08.46 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, and that gets copied in the current dir I assume?! |
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| 05:08.53 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Yes. |
| 05:09.08 | benley | sanxiyn: I'll look into it. |
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| 05:09.55 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, *sigh* apg-get cannot find the source for libglew or libglew1 |
| 05:10.08 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Try apt-get source glew |
| 05:10.26 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, neither |
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| 05:11.33 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: That sucks. Debian source is here: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glew |
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| 05:13.01 | diomedes | anyone a guru on exim4 |
| 05:13.25 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, I would guess that I need glew_1.3.1-1.2.dsc, glew_1.3.1-1.2.diff.gz and glew_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz |
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| 05:13.51 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Yes. After that, do dpkg-source -x *.dsc. |
| 05:13.52 | fhobia | how do extract files from a .deb ? |
| 05:14.03 | sanxiyn | fhobia: dpkg -x |
| 05:14.04 | bucky | why not apt-get libglew1 and libglew-dev ? |
| 05:14.14 | sanxiyn | bucky: MacSlow needs newer version. |
| 05:14.20 | fhobia | sanxiyn: what if i'm on slackware and don't have that...anyway to use just tar or something ? |
| 05:14.21 | bucky | ic |
| 05:14.25 | diomedes | been using exim4 without issue for about 18 months then yesturday about lunch time it stopped sending all mail, mainlog shows R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host after every msg |
| 05:14.36 | sanxiyn | fhobia: ar and then tar. |
| 05:15.09 | diomedes | dns is fine, even did a reboot.. anyone have any ideas |
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| 05:15.44 | CaT[tm] | is there a way to config apt to do something before it does anything involving network access? |
| 05:16.01 | sanxiyn | fhobia: ar x <deb>, and then tar zxf data.tar.gz. |
| 05:16.05 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, "dpkg-source -x glew_1.3.1-1.2.dsc" will build a new binary .deb I guess. Will it work in place (build in the current directory) or will I have to become root in order to build it? |
| 05:16.14 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: No. It will extract source. |
| 05:16.30 | fhobia | sanxiyn: got it, thank you |
| 05:16.33 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: To build it, move to newly created directory and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc |
| 05:16.49 | worthy | how come I can't message the bot |
| 05:16.50 | sanxiyn | (Eh that looks horrible?) |
| 05:16.56 | worthy | it said all the messages were off |
| 05:17.26 | sanxiyn | fhobia: No problem. |
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| 05:18.29 | starscalling | eh sorry aobu that |
| 05:18.43 | starscalling | got the sound under control!!@! just installed alsa and good to go \o/ |
| 05:18.52 | starscalling | who needs that esd anyway hehe |
| 05:18.52 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, ok sofar so good every thing went smooth upto there |
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| 05:19.00 | edison | Help when i apt-get install package i get "is not available, but is referred to by another package" how to install it ? |
| 05:19.04 | worthy | what are the other bot names in here? |
| 05:19.15 | starscalling | !sources |
| 05:19.16 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
| 05:19.18 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Now, download glew-1.3.3.tar.gz and applies 1.3.1 diff to it :-) |
| 05:19.24 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, I'll try to see how far I get with the new glew-1.3.3 tarball and where the diff breaks for it maybe |
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| 05:19.34 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: It doesn't break. I already tried :-) |
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| 05:19.47 | starscalling | edison, you might not have the right repository or the right part of the repositories enabled |
| 05:19.49 | gary | lol |
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| 05:20.25 | delox99 | hi all |
| 05:20.28 | CaT[tm] | hrm. there's stuff for configuring pre/psot dpkg but nothing pre/post network access (or even at the beginning/end of a run). poo |
| 05:20.32 | delox99 | i have a question on dns |
| 05:20.38 | edison | starscalling, i don't know how to solve that problem ? |
| 05:20.50 | delox99 | i s been a month now that im having an intermitent problem |
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| 05:21.09 | starscalling | well lets see |
| 05:21.13 | dli | someone give me a working USE for xchat-2 ? |
| 05:21.23 | starscalling | first edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:21.33 | sanxiyn | dli: ? |
| 05:21.51 | edison | starscalling, What that mean ? |
| 05:21.54 | starscalling | make sure to have a full trailing:: main contrib non-free |
| 05:22.03 | starscalling | er ok lets do this then |
| 05:22.03 | delox99 | if i go nslookup ns1.mydomain.com it sows me that its tied to a certain ip |
| 05:22.09 | dli | sanxiyn, net-irc/xchat-2.4.5 -ipv6 +mmx +nls +perl +python +ssl -tcltk -xchatdccserver -xchatnogtk -xchattext |
| 05:22.10 | starscalling | open a terminal and go root edison |
| 05:22.16 | sanxiyn | dli: This is not #gentoo. |
| 05:22.22 | delox99 | if i do ping ns1.mydomain.com it pings a different ip |
| 05:22.24 | dli | sanxiyn, thanks |
| 05:22.26 | starscalling | im about to do the same thing btw hehe |
| 05:22.35 | delox99 | like if dns servers were not updated |
| 05:22.46 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, I'll ahve to adjust a few things in .dsc etc. |
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| 05:22.57 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: ? |
| 05:23.01 | edison | starscalling, I just add deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 05:23.10 | edison | starscalling, I'm root |
| 05:23.17 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, I don't? |
| 05:23.19 | starscalling | good |
| 05:23.28 | starscalling | now " gedit /etc/apt/sources.list " |
| 05:23.34 | edison | ok |
| 05:23.41 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: I didn't need to. |
| 05:23.55 | starscalling | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free <<-=----- one of my lines |
| 05:23.56 | sanxiyn | (dsc will be built after you do dpkg-buildpackage, btw) |
| 05:24.04 | starscalling | for stable its stable instead of testing ok? |
| 05:24.12 | edison | starscalling, ok 2 min |
| 05:24.21 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, well I didn't try right away.. I was assuming some things from my src.rpm/spec-file experience and first looked in the .dsc |
| 05:24.38 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: It's just a description to extract source file. |
| 05:24.48 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Meat is in debian/ subdirectory of extracted source. |
| 05:25.09 | sanxiyn | Especially debian/control and debian/rules (first one is metadata, next one is how to build it) |
| 05:25.20 | edison | starscalling, if i don't use testing distrib i use stabl, does it mean i will have to upgrade all my package ? |
| 05:25.21 | odla | edison: what package are you trying to install? |
| 05:25.33 | delox99 | what could cause nslookup and ping not to reach the same ip? |
| 05:25.42 | starscalling | no edison |
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| 05:25.45 | edison | odla mldonkey-server |
| 05:25.49 | starscalling | use stable instead of the word testing |
| 05:26.00 | starscalling | DO NOT USE TESTING unless your running it :D |
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| 05:26.19 | starscalling | before you commit it paste that one line in here plz |
| 05:26.25 | odla | edison: what's apt-cache search mldonkey-server say? |
| 05:26.25 | starscalling | or #flood |
| 05:27.59 | edison | odla, hum i don't see it now, 15 min ago it was there |
| 05:28.01 | delox99 | anyone? |
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| 05:28.50 | yeffyumby | If I wanted to trade out kdm&kde for GNOME, how would I go about doing that? |
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| 05:29.46 | CaT[tm] | apt-get --purge remove kdelibs should clean out most if not all kde. |
| 05:30.24 | edison | odla, so ok the package exist in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mldonkey/ but i can't apt-get it ? |
| 05:30.33 | CaT[tm] | kdelibs4 rather |
| 05:30.50 | odla | edison: what distro is it available for? stable? |
| 05:30.51 | yeffyumby | will that remove kdm also? |
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| 05:31.07 | CaT[tm] | if that doesn't then remove its package. |
| 05:31.32 | CaT[tm] | though it's probably part of some other packjage. dpkg -S is your friend. |
| 05:31.48 | edison | odla, i don't know i just find that url in google |
| 05:31.53 | odla | !info mldonkey-server stable |
| 05:32.17 | edison | odla, and i add the url in my sources.list |
| 05:32.29 | odla | !info mldonkey-server etch |
| 05:33.05 | sanxiyn | !info mldonkey-server testing |
| 05:33.21 | odla | sanxiyn: that's redundant ;) |
| 05:33.27 | sanxiyn | oops |
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| 05:33.44 | odla | edison: it's not available for sarge |
| 05:33.51 | ice_1963 | who is running kde in testing? |
| 05:33.57 | odla | edison: you'll likely need to add a testing |
| 05:34.14 | odla | source |
| 05:34.23 | dpkg | mldonkey-server: (Door to the 'donkey' network), section net, is optional. Version: 2.7.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 2903 kB, Installed size: 7956 kB |
| 05:34.32 | odla | edison: or you could ask the backports.org guys to backport it for you |
| 05:34.32 | starscalling | odla, how do i add a public key? |
| 05:34.49 | odla | starscalling: for where? |
| 05:34.51 | odla | starscalling: marillat? |
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| 05:35.21 | starscalling | um |
| 05:35.22 | edison | odla, hum ok so i have to upgrade my package ? |
| 05:35.27 | starscalling | no dont have that in yet |
| 05:35.41 | sanxiyn | starscalling: See also /topic. |
| 05:36.13 | odla | edison: yeah...or go to irc.oftc.net and channel #debian-backports |
| 05:36.24 | odla | edison: and ask those guys to backported to sarge for you |
| 05:36.32 | odla | edison: if you ask real nice they might do it :) |
| 05:36.42 | starscalling | ah thats it thanx sanxiyn |
| 05:36.54 | odla | edison: do you know how to use pinning? |
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| 05:37.04 | Wowbagger_ | Is ipw2200-source something that should be available in testing? |
| 05:37.12 | odla | edison: you could run a mixed system with pinning |
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| 05:38.04 | edison | odla, well, i just want to use donkey p2p with command line, maby they exist another package who do that ? |
| 05:38.31 | sanxiyn | Wowbagger_: It is. |
| 05:38.34 | odla | edison: i am not sure |
| 05:38.35 | samlii | Anyone here ever have a problem where a software raid 5 comes up degraded on reboot even though it works perfectly after the first sync |
| 05:38.38 | bucky | Wowbagger_: yes |
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| 05:38.54 | odla | edison: apt-cache search donkey |
| 05:39.54 | sanxiyn | edison: amule has terminal interface. |
| 05:40.23 | delox99 | can someone help me with a dns issue? |
| 05:40.23 | bucky | Wowbagger_: are you running testing? |
| 05:40.27 | edison | sanxiyn, well i use an p100 with 2gb of hd and i don't want to install gui on it |
| 05:40.35 | sanxiyn | Wowbagger_: http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/ipw2200-source |
| 05:40.43 | delox99 | or is there a channel where i could get elp? |
| 05:40.49 | sanxiyn | edison: eh? |
| 05:41.05 | Wowbagger_ | why wouldn't apt-get find it? bucky, how can I check that I'm running testing? |
| 05:41.13 | sanxiyn | edison: Ah I see. |
| 05:41.13 | odla | edison: apt-cache search donkey |
| 05:41.54 | edison | sanxiyn, an old pc pentium 100Mhz with 2gb of hd |
| 05:41.54 | bucky | Wowbagger_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:41.54 | sanxiyn | amule can be used without GUI |
| 05:41.54 | sanxiyn | Hm, but in Debian package it seems to require X libraries anyway. |
| 05:41.54 | odla | edison: i recommend you request that someone backports |
| 05:41.54 | Wowbagger_ | bucky, that gives testing/unstable. |
| 05:42.08 | sanxiyn | Wowbagger_: Do you have contrib in your sources.list? |
| 05:42.12 | edison | odla, i think the best thing to do is use testing distrib |
| 05:42.34 | Wowbagger_ | sanxiyn, No... that must be it. Thanks. |
| 05:42.37 | odla | edison: how new are you to debian? |
| 05:42.52 | bucky | Wowbagger_: do you have contrib in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:43.05 | edison | odla, i'm not new i'm not an expert to |
| 05:43.07 | sanxiyn | bucky: Heh |
| 05:43.12 | Wowbagger_ | bucky: saxiyn beat you to it. :) (and no) |
| 05:43.21 | bucky | !win bucky |
| 05:43.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, bucky! You have won the US presidency! |
| 05:43.28 | odla | edison: ok...you could always use pinning |
| 05:43.33 | odla | !gentoosmite bucky |
| 05:43.53 | bucky | @ravenbirdsmite odla |
| 05:44.14 | odla | i don't think ravenbird is in here |
| 05:44.28 | bucky | when's mwilson coming back? |
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| 05:44.41 | odla | :test |
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| 05:45.19 | edison | odla, so why they don't backport to everyone who use sarge ? |
| 05:45.25 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, ok it build but there are still the wrong filenames for the resulting .debs |
| 05:45.32 | odla | edison: they do backport to everyone |
| 05:45.36 | odla | edison: www.backports.org |
| 05:45.40 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Aha |
| 05:45.48 | edison | odla, ok |
| 05:45.56 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Eh, you need to edit changelog. Version number is calculated from latest changelog entry. |
| 05:46.08 | odla | edison: you can make requests |
| 05:46.11 | starscalling | yay now ive got the goooood stuffzorz@! |
| 05:46.15 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, I guess I've to tweak all that in that debian subdirectory |
| 05:46.17 | odla | !tell edison about backports |
| 05:46.23 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: debian/changelog, yes. |
| 05:46.39 | sanxiyn | There's a tool to do it, but you can edit it by hand too. |
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| 05:47.26 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, now that I have a jump-start for creating my own .debs I "play" around a little |
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| 05:48.05 | yottzumm | what's this about the public key for testing not being available |
| 05:48.15 | yottzumm | for apt-get |
| 05:48.16 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Good luck! Do read new maintainer's guide I posted already :-) |
| 05:48.29 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, dondelelcaro: Thanks for the help sofar! |
| 05:48.47 | Paivakil | yottzumm: read /topic |
| 05:48.51 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: (FWIW, dch automates editing of changelog, and dch -v 1.3.3 would have worked.) |
| 05:49.20 | edison | odla, ok thank |
| 05:49.41 | odla | np |
| 05:50.12 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, in which directory would I have to execute "dch -v 1.3.3"? |
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| 05:50.56 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: glew-1.3.3 directory. |
| 05:51.01 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, in glew-1.3.1/debian before dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 05:51.11 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: No, one directory above. |
| 05:51.13 | Readon | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.49 | MacSlow | sanxiyn, I assume that this also takes care of the x.y in 1.3.3-x.y right? |
| 05:52.06 | chealer | Readon: which driver? |
| 05:52.24 | sanxiyn | MacSlow: Yes, that will be whatever you write in your changelog. (dch would create 1.3.3-1 for you.) |
| 05:52.44 | sanxiyn | (upstream version 1.3.3, debian version 1) |
| 05:52.46 | MacSlow | ok |
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| 05:53.16 | MacSlow | I'll hit bed now. I'm around later agian. |
| 05:53.24 | Readon | chealer, the driver i modified myself for smc9115 |
| 05:53.25 | MacSlow | thanks again and so long folks! |
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| 05:54.37 | chealer | Readon: what exactly do you mean by choosing a driver source file? |
| 05:55.50 | Vooloo | When is the nerds appreciation day? Somehow we should be grateful for all the nerds who doesn't get laid and no girlsfriends, or we wouldn't have all this good free software to use. |
| 05:56.23 | sanxiyn | Vooloo: There are married free software hackers. |
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| 05:56.27 | Readon | chealer,what i wanted is to add my driver to kernel. |
| 05:56.36 | Vooloo | sanxiyn: WHAT? |
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| 05:56.42 | sanxiyn | Vooloo: Eh? |
| 05:57.28 | staniel | hey guys - trying to get my laptop to have suspend usability... |
| 05:57.39 | sanxiyn | Vooloo: Recent example: http://blog.madism.org/index.php/en (scroll to bottom) |
| 05:57.42 | staniel | is there a patch in the apt repositories that I can get to do this? |
| 05:57.42 | chealer | Readon: I suppose you'd have to edit Kconfig to change anything in make *config |
| 05:58.15 | staniel | or een a module or something? |
| 05:58.25 | bucky | Readon: which driver? |
| 05:58.33 | Vooloo | sanxiyn: You know, maybe there is a god |
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| 05:59.20 | Readon | chealer, i have not find the Kconfig file in kernel |
| 05:59.36 | bucky | Readon: which driver? |
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| 05:59.50 | Readon | bucky,smc9115 an embedded net controller |
| 06:00.10 | SerajewelKS | can sed print out only a group, e.g. like perl: /:(.*):/ and print $1 |
| 06:00.12 | chealer | Readon: we're not really kernel hacking mentors...consider asking #kernel instead |
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| 06:00.29 | bucky | Readon: is it a patch for the kernel source? or do you ./configure make make install ? |
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| 06:01.35 | Readon | bucky, i only have a .c file |
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| 06:02.16 | SerajewelKS | basically what i'm asking is, is there a more concise way to say this: sed -n 's/^.*Internet Address: \(.\+\)$/\1/p' |
| 06:02.29 | SerajewelKS | either using sed or awk |
| 06:02.29 | bucky | Readon: hmm.. i can find no reference to smc9115 on google |
| 06:02.49 | Vooloo | Does anyone know where freedom in US is? I can't find it |
| 06:02.53 | bucky | where did the .c file come from? |
| 06:03.05 | Readon | it is from the company |
| 06:03.12 | yottzumm | SerajewelKS, how about strippign everything prior to : |
| 06:03.14 | bucky | ooooh boy |
| 06:03.20 | SerajewelKS | Vooloo: yeah we lost it around when the first liberal became president =( |
| 06:03.22 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok i need a bit of help with this one. i wanna set it so that i have 2 sepperate sessions of xdm running with one keyboard and mouse on one session and the other keyboard alone on the other session and for one session to display on my tv (Svideo-out) and the other on my monitor |
| 06:03.31 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i think this is possible but im not sure how |
| 06:03.35 | chealer | staniel: there's a swsusp module that you may have or not...and that may work or not |
| 06:03.36 | The_Ultimate_Sam | could anyone help? |
| 06:03.47 | yottzumm | sed 's/.*: //' |
| 06:04.30 | staniel | chealer: is it in the standard debian kernels? |
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| 06:05.00 | chealer | staniel: I don't think so. you can see if it's in yours in /boot/config-2.foo |
| 06:05.13 | joshua | Anyone have any ideas why I don't get sound after rebooting unless I run alsaconf? |
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| 06:06.05 | staniel | CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y |
| 06:06.08 | chealer | joshua: anyone may think that alsaconf is loading a module you need |
| 06:06.30 | chealer | staniel: ok, so there's no module but it's as if it was always loaded |
| 06:07.00 | staniel | chealer: looks that way.,... so I should just be able to use the hibernate command? |
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| 06:07.38 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ? |
| 06:07.54 | joshua | can I find out what alsaconf is doing behind the scenes? |
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| 06:07.59 | liable | staniel: you need to tell it where to save the image, in your kernel line, do you have the hibernate package? |
| 06:08.43 | staniel | liable: yep, I do |
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| 06:09.04 | liable | staniel: also you might want to look at suspend2. (requires a kernel patch though) |
| 06:09.28 | staniel | liable: whats the proper way to patch a debian kernel? |
| 06:09.43 | liable | staniel: with 'patch' utility. |
| 06:09.45 | liable | sec |
| 06:09.56 | bucky | Vooloo SerajewelKS: there's no freedom on the plantation unless you're the plantation owner |
| 06:10.24 | liable | staniel: if you want to try it.. http://www.suspend2.net/ |
| 06:10.34 | The_Ultimate_Sam | so is it possible? |
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| 06:10.57 | chealer | joshua: a quick way to figure if alsaconf is just loading the module would be to # lsmod>before;alsaconf;lsmod|diff before -; |
| 06:11.23 | staniel | liable: I was hoping I wouldn't need to go away from a debian kernel :( |
| 06:11.33 | joshua | very nice :D |
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| 06:11.52 | fooz | what's a good unicode font for firefox? |
| 06:12.01 | liable | staniel: yeah, you need to roll one for suspend2 unfortunately, but the suspend in debian kernel should work. |
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| 06:12.04 | The_Ultimate_Sam | or does anyone know of a good sight for modifying the xconfig-4 file |
| 06:12.08 | Paivakil | fooz: which script? |
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| 06:12.15 | fooz | hrm, good question |
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| 06:12.40 | fooz | know any that'll pass the UTF-8-demo.txt file? :) |
| 06:12.50 | sanxiyn | fooz: You need several. |
| 06:13.12 | sanxiyn | fooz: I'd start with ttf-dejavu. |
| 06:13.41 | staniel | liable: well.. if the suspend works, could you help me get htat one working? |
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| 06:14.45 | Paivakil | fooz: will not ttf-freefont do it? |
| 06:14.55 | fooz | nope |
| 06:14.57 | fooz | nothing seems to |
| 06:15.06 | sanxiyn | fooz: As I said, you need multiple fonts. |
| 06:15.11 | liable | staniel: can try, sure. if you got the hibernate package, what happens when you run /usr/sbin/hibernate? |
| 06:15.13 | fooz | the non-truetype X fonts render that file right |
| 06:15.48 | staniel | Your kernel does not appear to have Software Suspend 2 support compiled in........ |
| 06:16.12 | konfuzed | damn I cant get these ftp permissions to behave. setting umask=777 sets the permissions d-wxrw-rw- for directories and so I can actually upload files to thisdiectory but cant open the directory to look at them |
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| 06:16.19 | Paivakil | fooz: btw, what is this UTF-8-demo.txt file? your own creation? |
| 06:16.23 | konfuzed | this is vsftpd |
| 06:16.31 | fooz | no, it's from the UTF-8 FAQ site, i think |
| 06:16.34 | konfuzed | ah crazy umask |
| 06:16.47 | stew | wheee |
| 06:16.57 | fooz | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 06:17.03 | liable | staniel: you need to edit your hibernate conf file. |
| 06:17.39 | win32killer | hi, i haven't used debian since potato was stable, and my sources.list always used "testing." Is that still a valid... distro? |
| 06:17.55 | sanxiyn | win32killer: yes |
| 06:17.58 | chealer | win32killer: a valid release |
| 06:18.07 | win32killer | okay... cool :) |
| 06:18.15 | win32killer | is sid testing now? |
| 06:18.20 | fooz | sid is unstable |
| 06:18.24 | fooz | always will be |
| 06:18.24 | staniel | liable: which one should I use? |
| 06:18.28 | chealer | !tell win32killer about releases |
| 06:18.29 | win32killer | ah |
| 06:18.45 | win32killer | chealer: thanks |
| 06:19.23 | liable | staniel: i think the sysfs one, sec i'll have a quick check. |
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| 06:19.34 | staniel | liable: thanks - thats what I needed to know |
| 06:19.43 | win32killer | thanks so much! |
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| 06:20.10 | chealer | win32killer: hehe, no problem :) |
| 06:20.14 | Paivakil | fooz have you set the correct encoding in the ''view > encoding'' menu? |
| 06:20.19 | fooz | yeah, UTF-8 |
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| 06:22.11 | liable | staniel: you have kernel source installed? |
| 06:22.15 | sanxiyn | fooz: dejavu passes all of IPA, thyromanes passes most of polytonic Greek, junicode passes Rune. |
| 06:22.51 | sanxiyn | fooz: dejavu also passes Russian. |
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| 06:23.01 | sanxiyn | Not sure about Ethiopian and Georgian... |
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| 06:23.17 | liable | staniel: but anyway, its is the sys-power one, so comment the others and try that, make sure you have added the image bit to your kernel line. (otherwise it has nowhere to save the image too) |
| 06:23.35 | Paivakil | fooz: I think I can see the file correctly |
| 06:23.38 | staniel | liable: whats the image bit that I have to add in? |
| 06:23.42 | sanxiyn | fooz: Yeah it'd be nice to have unicode-range to free-font mapping. |
| 06:23.55 | fooz | Paivakil, in firefox? |
| 06:23.56 | Paivakil | fooz: at least, I have no blank squares on that page |
| 06:24.06 | sanxiyn | Paivakil: Wow |
| 06:24.07 | fooz | not blank squares.. they'd be squares with 4 numbers |
| 06:24.13 | fooz | Paivakil, what font are you using? |
| 06:24.28 | liable | staniel: append to kernel line .. resume=/dev/your-swap-partition |
| 06:24.29 | fooz | Paivakil, also read the file, it says how things should look (in english) |
| 06:24.30 | Paivakil | Mozilla firefox 1.0.6, debian amd64 sid |
| 06:24.32 | IcePenguin | Quick question: how do I change the screen resolution/refresh rate that I set when I installed Debian? |
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| 06:24.54 | sanxiyn | Paivakil: Screenshot? |
| 06:25.19 | jm_ | IcePenguin: you can set it in X config file, or change it afterwards using xrandr |
| 06:25.22 | chealer | !drxx IcePenguin |
| 06:25.22 | dpkg | IcePenguin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:25.45 | liable | staniel: you will need to reboot before you can use it. (after appending that to kernel line) |
| 06:25.47 | IcePenguin | thanks guys |
| 06:25.54 | jm_ | Paivakil: are the box characters properly aligned for you? |
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| 06:26.57 | sanxiyn | jm_: three lines near "euro symbol" is not properly aligned for me. |
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| 06:27.59 | fooz | firefox with all the fonts I've tried just totally dies on this file |
| 06:28.00 | staniel | liable: oh, you mean add that into lilo? |
| 06:28.03 | fooz | everything's AFU |
| 06:28.23 | fooz | can't handle the combining characters part, the boxes are unaligned, georgian is not there |
| 06:28.24 | jm_ | sanxiyn: but the rest are? those are also not aligned properly for me either, but others are alos way off |
| 06:28.36 | liable | staniel: sorry, yeah, thats for grub, so i guess you use the append= option for lilo. |
| 06:28.41 | Paivakil | sanxiyn: which part of the text do you want? and where do I post it? |
| 06:28.46 | fooz | runic works :P but that's not common on websites |
| 06:28.53 | ejofee | how am i gonna use wondershaper? i see no options. please give me an example wondershaper command. |
| 06:28.59 | fooz | sadly I can read runic :) |
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| 06:29.05 | sanxiyn | jm_: Others are, for me. |
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| 06:29.30 | sanxiyn | fooz: You can? |
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| 06:30.12 | Paivakil | jm_: and yes, the boxes at the bottom are properly aligned |
| 06:30.17 | IcePenguin | I thought there was a graphical GRUB? Or maybe it's just me... |
| 06:30.27 | sanxiyn | I think Code2000 can pass this file... |
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| 06:30.51 | starscalling | eh |
| 06:30.52 | IcePenguin | I ran I Linux distro once upon a time that had a graphical bootloader... click on the penguin for linux, windows for windows. |
| 06:30.54 | starscalling | mplayer fails |
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| 06:31.55 | staniel | liable: so just put that resume=/dev/hda2 into append="resume=/dev/hda2" ? |
| 06:32.05 | Paivakil | for me I think only the chinese part is not rendered properly |
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| 06:33.18 | liable | staniel: yep, should be good. (havent done it with lilo yet, but that should do it.) |
| 06:33.20 | sanxiyn | Paivakil: Not rendered at all, or rendering is off? |
| 06:34.21 | liable | staniel: when you reboot, you should see a message along the line of resume space activated or some shit. |
| 06:35.26 | jm_ | re UTF8: here are my screenshots http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5608/ffutf814ak.png http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1533/ffutf820yt.png http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7603/ffutf830da.png http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6775/ffutf841kr.png |
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| 06:36.55 | M3t4ll1k0 | anyone had used a wheel in linux, can anyone help me to make work a a gamming wheel in linux? |
| 06:37.02 | M3t4ll1k0 | its a logitech momo |
| 06:37.19 | sanxiyn | jm_: Wow, looks great. |
| 06:37.33 | staniel | liable: ... it semi works.. |
| 06:37.45 | jm_ | sanxiyn: but note how boxed characters are totally misaligned ;) |
| 06:37.50 | staniel | and by that I mean, it starts to hibernate.. then ressumes |
| 06:38.01 | liable | staniel: whats the problem? |
| 06:38.06 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: yeah I have Logitech Forumla Force, works fine with TORCS |
| 06:38.10 | liable | oh |
| 06:38.10 | M3t4ll1k0 | the digital controls work but te pedals and te wheel doesent work |
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| 06:38.22 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ... |
| 06:38.22 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, u are the man |
| 06:38.25 | M3t4ll1k0 | ;) |
| 06:38.30 | paivakil | for me I think only the chinese part is not rendered properly |
| 06:38.31 | M3t4ll1k0 | can u help me¿? |
| 06:38.53 | fooz | weird. installing fonts and restarting firefox (without changing its font settings) now made a lot of the file render right |
| 06:38.58 | staniel | liable: damn it - nvidia stopped it! |
| 06:39.00 | fooz | scripts, at least. boxes are now more fuct than ever. |
| 06:39.11 | fooz | but i don't care so much about that. |
| 06:39.22 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, it seems to be recognized but the wheel and the pedals dont work |
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| 06:39.30 | liable | staniel: nvidia strikes yet once again.. :) |
| 06:39.36 | M3t4ll1k0 | the buttons works |
| 06:39.55 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, any idea? |
| 06:39.58 | staniel | liable: anyway around that... other than not using nvidia drivers? |
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| 06:40.08 | liable | staniel: um, try unloading that stuff first (check the hibernate conf file) |
| 06:40.32 | The_Ultimate_Sam | hmm speaking of nvidia |
| 06:41.16 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: did you load the iforce module? |
| 06:41.23 | M3t4ll1k0 | nop |
| 06:41.29 | jm_ | well then |
| 06:41.34 | liable | staniel: have a good read of that conf actually, theres a lilo option you should prolly enable.. |
| 06:41.35 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, how i ca do it¿? |
| 06:41.46 | M3t4ll1k0 | any how to? |
| 06:41.47 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: modprobe |
| 06:41.47 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i have been trying to set up my xdm so that i can load more than one session of it with one session displaying on my tv and the other on my monitor with the mouse and second keyboard being used on the second and just the first keyboard being used on the second |
| 06:42.04 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but whenever i try to set it up i get "no displays detected" |
| 06:42.42 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, and now? |
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| 06:43.01 | Kovecses | im starting a linux americas army clan ... by the way.. is anybody interested.. noobs welcome |
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| 06:43.37 | The_Ultimate_Sam | is anyone familiar with this technique that could help |
| 06:43.45 | The_Ultimate_Sam | all the sites have been less than helpfull |
| 06:43.51 | chealer | Kovecses: aside from being off-topic, that looks pretty silly |
| 06:44.03 | Kovecses | chealer, why may I ask |
| 06:44.13 | Kovecses | sorry for being off topic |
| 06:44.21 | Kovecses | forgot |
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| 06:44.37 | nevyn | particularly debian |
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| 06:45.06 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: man modprobe? |
| 06:45.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | !listkeys XF86config |
| 06:45.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'XF86config' by key (6): xf86config ;; xf86config->xf86config-4 ;; xf86config-4 ;; #debian xf86config ;; _default xf86config-4 ;; _default xf86config. |
| 06:45.10 | opnsrc | Where is the file to change the refresh rate on Debian? |
| 06:45.13 | opnsrc | I forgot which file it was |
| 06:45.20 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, I loaded the module |
| 06:45.23 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok im visable |
| 06:45.37 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, but all are the same |
| 06:45.44 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: also load evdev |
| 06:45.45 | win32killer | oooh, yay! apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove e2fsprogs due to pre-depends loop! |
| 06:45.45 | fooz | sanxiyn, http://www.omniglot.com/writing/runic.htm |
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| 06:45.51 | win32killer | wonder what to do next. |
| 06:45.53 | fooz | sanxiyn, but i learned it from video games (RPGs) |
| 06:45.54 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, ok |
| 06:46.07 | sanxiyn | fooz: heh |
| 06:46.08 | chealer | !tell win32killer about e2fsprogs loop |
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| 06:46.15 | liable | staniel: http://www.ife.ee.ethz.ch/~mwirz/dell/inspiron8500.html (mentions the nvidia driver and suspend) |
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| 06:46.30 | sanxiyn | ᚻᛖ ᚳᚹᚫᚦ ᚦᚫᛠᚻᛖ ᛒᚢᛞᛖ áš©áš¾ ᚦᚫᛗ ᛚᚪᚾᛞᛖ ᚾᚩᚱᚦᚹᛖᚪᚱᛞᚢᛗ áš¹á›áš¦ ᚦᚪ ᚹᛖᛥᚫ |
| 06:46.31 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, the same |
| 06:46.33 | The_Ultimate_Sam | the sites give me a clear impression that it is possible |
| 06:46.38 | fooz | hehe |
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| 06:46.47 | fooz | that had to look utterly horrible to those poor non-unicode saps |
| 06:46.48 | opnsrc | Does anyone know hte name of the file to change the refresh rate? |
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| 06:46.52 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, the pedals and te wheel dont work |
| 06:46.59 | win32killer | chealer: you are my hero! |
| 06:47.24 | chealer | win32killer: I'm just a bot |
| 06:47.42 | liable | chealer: who owns you :) |
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| 06:47.58 | chealer | liable: Turing does. |
| 06:48.03 | liable | heh |
| 06:48.04 | win32killer | heh heh |
| 06:48.30 | opnsrc | N/m, it's the xorg.conf thanks |
| 06:48.33 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: how are you testing this? |
| 06:48.40 | M3t4ll1k0 | jstest |
| 06:48.42 | fooz | man, try as I might, I can't find a firefox theme that doesn't piss me off |
| 06:48.43 | fooz | they're all awful |
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| 06:48.58 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, jstest and racer game |
| 06:49.04 | jm_ | yeah jstest should be OK with the right device files |
| 06:49.24 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, where can i find it¿? |
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| 06:50.15 | fooz | I miss the Communicator 4 look |
| 06:50.26 | jimb0 | you would have bad taste then? |
| 06:50.30 | fooz | yep |
| 06:50.34 | jimb0 | thought so |
| 06:50.49 | jimb0 | its cool i'm bad in bed |
| 06:51.01 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: /dev/input/eventX - also look at /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 06:51.13 | fooz | ah, glad you told me before I found out first hand |
| 06:51.29 | jimb0 | yeah what a waste of time and money that would have been |
| 06:51.38 | jimb0 | i'm an expensive piece of man ass |
| 06:51.44 | devsforev | Evening all... I am in the process of replacing a failed motherboard with a completely different one on my server. I have a fully functional debian system running, but I know the kernel will freak when I try to boot it with the new motherboard. Any sugguestions? |
| 06:52.02 | jm_ | why do you think kernel will freak? |
| 06:52.05 | jimb0 | take pics |
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| 06:52.43 | jimb0 | debian has a system call it performs on boot that causes capacitors on some motherboards to pop |
| 06:52.47 | shingouz | devsforev: just boot the new system on a rescue disk, chroot into the real system and replace the kernel if the kernel indeed *does* scream blue murder at your first boot |
| 06:53.07 | shingouz | jimb0: no, that is windows you are talking about |
| 06:53.14 | jimb0 | no, debian |
| 06:53.30 | jimb0 | when the sparks start flying, you'll know i was right |
| 06:53.33 | jimb0 | take pics like i said |
| 06:53.45 | jimb0 | of course i could be making this all up because i'm an asshole |
| 06:53.50 | jimb0 | night all. |
| 06:53.55 | bucky | it's the taiwanese capacitor detector |
| 06:54.02 | shingouz | jimb0: or you could be the devils advocate |
| 06:54.11 | devsforev | shingouz: alright cool. Thanks. How do i envoke debain to build a kernel for me again? I will customize it later, but I figure it will do a pretty good job at finding the new chipsets, etc |
| 06:54.30 | starscalling | eh |
| 06:54.38 | shingouz | devsforev: apt-get install linux-image-whatever. it just installs, does not build |
| 06:54.40 | starscalling | anyone know how to get dual audio working with mplayer> |
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| 06:55.02 | devsforev | shingouz: interesting. Alright, thanks! |
| 06:55.15 | dutch | Hey... is Nimbus Roman #9 distinguishable from Times New Roman? |
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| 06:55.46 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, i rebooted |
| 06:56.20 | shingouz | fluck.. now i have to crack open a clone pc and replace a few minor things in it... like i would not have somehting else to do |
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| 06:57.07 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: ehh? |
| 06:57.16 | dutch | Does anybody know if Nimbus Roman #9 is distinguishable from Times New Roman by a college professor? And if not, where can I get Times New Roman to write essays with? |
| 06:57.25 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, yes and al remains the same |
| 06:57.38 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: why the hell did you reboot? |
| 06:57.49 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, mm sorry |
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| 06:57.50 | shingouz | dutch: do some empirical testing |
| 06:57.56 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, im newbie |
| 06:58.00 | M3t4ll1k0 | ;) |
| 06:58.03 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: you'll have to load the modules again |
| 06:58.06 | fooz | dutch, prof is requiring a certain font? |
| 06:58.11 | M3t4ll1k0 | iforce and¿? |
| 06:58.23 | stagger | Hi there! I've got a little problem. My distro is sarge. I was installing some new software whch recquired upgrating glibc library. Unfortunently, I have by mistake killed aptitude which was performing upgrade. Now I have libc6 and libc6-dev and some others libraries marked as not installed properitly and when I try to reinstall them, the package manager force me to remove all the software depending on glibc. How can I repair those wrongly |
| 06:58.36 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, how is the other module? |
| 06:58.42 | dondelelcaro | dutch: the prof is almost always specifying a font so morons don't turn in papers in comic sans ms. Pick a good Serif font, and the profs generally don't care. |
| 06:58.46 | dutch | Fooz, yeah that's usually standard essay formatting, double-spacing and all that jazz, and their favorite font. |
| 06:59.31 | chealer | !gnome 2.12 |
| 06:59.31 | dpkg | methinks gnome 2.12 is currently in experimental, more info at http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-12-26-21-17 |
| 06:59.31 | fooz | they look about the same though |
| 06:59.37 | dondelelcaro | dutch: if the professor complains, go into them and tell them that they're forcing you to violate your principles by using a non-free font, and that you feel that it's not appropriate for his course to do so. |
| 06:59.42 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: evdev |
| 06:59.48 | dondelelcaro | dutch: then talk to your campus ombudsman. |
| 06:59.53 | fooz | yeah, do that |
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| 06:59.59 | dutch | Ombudsman? |
| 07:00.03 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, ok all loaded, and now? |
| 07:00.12 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: look at the file I mentioned before |
| 07:00.21 | M3t4ll1k0 | what file¿? |
| 07:00.30 | dondelelcaro | dutch: yes. Any sane campus has them |
| 07:00.46 | dutch | Wiki is god: Microsoft Windows computers feature Monotype's Times New Roman PS while Mac computers have Linotype's Times Roman (simply named ?Times?). Computers running Open Source operating systems generally have URW's Nimbus Roman No9 L, which is URW's PostScript version of Times Roman, placed into the public domain. |
| 07:00.46 | chealer | dpkg: no, gnome 2.12 is in sid and tied to the dbus/GNOME/KDE transition (more info at http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-12-26-21-17 ) |
| 07:00.47 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 07:01.06 | fooz | nimbus roman is sexy |
| 07:01.11 | fooz | never saw that font before |
| 07:01.19 | Azar | dingbats |
| 07:01.45 | liable | wobbygongs |
| 07:01.49 | dutch | Thanks guys. Now to write this rediculous paper. Things That Make You Go HMMM - What makes me top and take a second look... What thoughts, ideas, or images do I think about randomly and which ones keep returning to my mind unbidden? |
| 07:01.51 | npx | call of duty 2 kicks some ass |
| 07:02.15 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, metalliko@hellmachine:~$ jstest /dev/js0 |
| 07:02.15 | M3t4ll1k0 | Joystick (Logitech Logitech MOMO Racing ) has 2 axes and 10 buttons. Driver version is 2.1.0. |
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| 07:02.31 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, but the axes dont work |
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| 07:02.41 | lith | I have a bunch of text files in a dir, I need to replace a string with another string. What tool should i use to hit all text files recursivly? |
| 07:02.56 | lith | a dir == a bunch of dirs :) |
| 07:03.08 | shingouz | M3t4ll1k0: does the joystick function when you are root? |
| 07:03.08 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: I don't remember all the details, but it might be one device is used for wheel and another for the pedals |
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| 07:03.48 | M3t4ll1k0 | shingouz, no |
| 07:04.12 | shingouz | hmm.. |
| 07:04.15 | AndroFlux | lith: Do the strings span lines? |
| 07:04.16 | M3t4ll1k0 | shingouz, sudo jstest remains the same |
| 07:04.44 | shingouz | M3t4ll1k0: check the permissions on the device just in case |
| 07:04.51 | M3t4ll1k0 | ok |
| 07:04.59 | varg | hi |
| 07:05.02 | starscalling | anyone know how to get dual audio working with mplayer :/ |
| 07:05.37 | shingouz | what is dual audio? two sound systems or.... what? |
| 07:05.41 | M3t4ll1k0 | shingouz, done but it's the same |
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| 07:05.49 | lith | Androflux: nope |
| 07:05.56 | varg | anyone know how config "apt-setup" for a hard-disk packages installation ???? |
| 07:06.27 | liable | varg: huh? |
| 07:06.28 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, what do u do exactly to get your wheel working? |
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| 07:06.49 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: the same procedure we went through - just loaded the modules and then used the right device files |
| 07:07.25 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, where I can get the device files? |
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| 07:08.21 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: well they're either /dev/input/js* or /dev/input/event* - I have done this very long time ago, so I don't remember all the details (as you can tell) |
| 07:08.33 | jm_ | it's more likely I sued js* files |
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| 07:08.36 | jm_ | used too |
| 07:09.16 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, and wheres i suposed to copy the this files? |
| 07:09.21 | Azar | hehehe.. funny news out there you go Google |
| 07:09.33 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: ehh? you don't copy them, they're there and you use them with jstest |
| 07:09.58 | M3t4ll1k0 | mmm |
| 07:10.11 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, sorry but i dont undestand |
| 07:10.57 | AndroFlux | lith: Well, as always, TIMTOWTDI, but you could use find and sed. ie, find -name '*.txt' -exec sed -i 's/from/to/' '{}' \; |
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| 07:11.29 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, and where i can get the files to put in there? |
| 07:11.30 | ejofee | is the yast4debian project dead? |
| 07:11.55 | ejofee | AndroFlux: what is timtowtdi? |
| 07:12.02 | fooz | there is more than one way to do it |
| 07:12.12 | lith | :) |
| 07:12.18 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:12.19 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:12.19 | lith | androflux: thats perfect. thanks |
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| 07:12.35 | damnhil | do you use network-console-config? |
| 07:12.55 | ejofee | AndroFlux: oh, i found the definition. |
| 07:13.01 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: cd /dev && MAKEDEV input |
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| 07:13.10 | ejofee | fooz: thank you |
| 07:14.08 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, done |
| 07:14.13 | yeffyumby | any1 know how to remove KDE and the apt-get for GNOME? |
| 07:14.36 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, all remains the same |
| 07:14.36 | liable | !remove kde |
| 07:14.36 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 07:14.57 | paivakil | yeffyumby: why should you remove kde to install gnome? |
| 07:15.33 | yeffyumby | looking around, i've been finding alot of add-ons for Gnome that are not for Debian |
| 07:15.35 | yeffyumby | err |
| 07:15.40 | yeffyumby | KDE |
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| 07:16.12 | Slart_ | I need to compile a module for a pci-card and I think I need the sources for the kernel to do this. I didn't find a apt package for the 2.6 kernel source.. only 2.4. Am I missing something? I tried using "apt-get source kernel-image...." but it didn't work as expected |
| 07:16.31 | lith | hmm. that didnt seem to work. i did find -name '*.php' -exec sed -i 's/error_reporting\(E_ALL\);//' '{}' \; and I still see the error_reporting(E_ALL); 's within my files :( |
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| 07:16.58 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: are you using udev? |
| 07:17.03 | shingouz | Slart_: you sure the card is not supported by the debian kernels? you *absolutely* sure? |
| 07:17.09 | stagger | please, help me. I have by mistake killed synaptic during upgrating the libc library and some other packages. I have now glibc6 and glibc6-dev signed as not installed properytly. When I try to reinstall them the package manager wants to remove all the packages depending on libc. How can repair system without this ? |
| 07:17.21 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, i dont know what is these? |
| 07:17.29 | M3t4ll1k0 | *this |
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| 07:18.31 | Slart_ | shingouz, it's a Promise SATA300 TX4, it's supposed to be supported by the sata_promise module but reading the source for that module makes me think it isn't |
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| 07:19.14 | Slart_ | shingouz, and I can't get debian to recognize it.. Hwinfo shows unknown pci-card |
| 07:19.15 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: dpkg -s udev |
| 07:19.25 | liable | stagger: you know hpw to use dpkg? |
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| 07:19.52 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, yes is instaled |
| 07:19.54 | shingouz | Slart_: what kernel you running now? |
| 07:20.01 | stagger | liable: dpkg? I tried to use dpkg-reconfigure but it doesn't worked |
| 07:20.06 | Slart_ | shingouz, 2.6.12-1-k7 |
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| 07:20.44 | shingouz | Slart_: you have the sata_promise module? try modprobing it |
| 07:21.04 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: in that case MAKEDEV won't create device files - paste the output of "ls -l /dev/input" (DO NOT PASTE IN THE CHANNEL -- /msg dpkg paste) |
| 07:21.18 | Slart_ | modprobe sata_promise doesn't say anything |
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| 07:21.50 | shingouz | Slart_: that sounds good. now lsmod and look for the sata-promise |
| 07:21.54 | Slart_ | shingouz, lsmod shows sata_promise |
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| 07:22.21 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, http://pastebin.com/512610 |
| 07:22.48 | shingouz | Slart_: you have a drive connected to the sata? if you have, try accessing the drive with fdisk or something |
| 07:22.49 | Azar | yay I found the "Shortcuts and Commands" web page |
| 07:23.18 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: you do have device files, but they're only accessible for root |
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| 07:23.52 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, I can acces to /dev/js0 as usser |
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| 07:24.52 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, ooohhh |
| 07:24.52 | Slart_ | shingouz, no luck.. unable to open /dev/sda. Hwinfo --disk shows only my boot drive (an ordinary pata disk) |
| 07:24.53 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: not with those permissions you can't |
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| 07:24.56 | Azar | wow nice |
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| 07:25.18 | yeffyumby | any1 know the apt-get for WINE? |
| 07:25.19 | egolost | how do I setup networking so it will get a new ip via dhcp etc if someone unplug the cord for a while? |
| 07:25.21 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, I tried jscal and now the wheel *seems* to work |
| 07:25.24 | deadcat | this is an openbox feature: "Fast as f$%k!" dont think thats a good thing (= hahahah *premature ejeculator* HAHAHAHAH |
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| 07:26.28 | yeffyumby | anyone? |
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| 07:26.57 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: good, remember to add these modules to /etc/modules file so they'll always be loaded |
| 07:26.57 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, but the pedals dont work |
| 07:27.35 | Slart_ | shingouz, this url lists my chipset as supported since 2005-05-something http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#promise-40718 |
| 07:27.40 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: like I said, maybe they're accessible via other device file |
| 07:27.55 | Azar | interesting lsmod shows me the oss module loaded yet, my alsa modules work like a charm? |
| 07:27.56 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, how I can do that? |
| 07:28.05 | Slart_ | shingouz, but when I check the sources for sata_promise I see a list of device id's and my device id isn't there |
| 07:28.08 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: how did you run jstest? |
| 07:28.10 | Coke | yeffyumby: the apt-get is the same regardless of package |
| 07:28.41 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, $jstest |
| 07:28.53 | Azar | in fact only soundcore is loaded (snd) I do not see any alsa module loaded for my sound driver.. |
| 07:29.12 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, but first I make a "apt-get install joystic" |
| 07:29.38 | yeffyumby | Coke: i meant is it apt-get GNOME or apt-get GNOME-ver-2.2 something..or something else |
| 07:29.49 | Coke | yeffyumby: apt-cache search wine |
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| 07:30.00 | shingouz | Slart_: in that case i suppose your device is not supported |
| 07:30.23 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: jstest /dev/input/js0 then try with js1 and so on |
| 07:30.43 | Slart_ | shingouz, yes.. my conclusion too.. then back to my first question.. I need to compile a module for this.. but I need kernel source to do it.. |
| 07:31.11 | jm_ | Azar: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 07:31.34 | Coke | Punctuation seems to be a science of it's own. :) |
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| 07:31.53 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, /dev/js1 dosent exists |
| 07:32.20 | jm_ | Coke: Indeed, we have people in our office that write mails like this.... and continue in the same idiotic fashion.... |
| 07:32.32 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: that's not what I said to use |
| 07:32.48 | shingouz | Slart_: the problem is that if the source you are going to compile it from does not support the sata, you are sad out of luck |
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| 07:33.24 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, ahh |
| 07:33.26 | M3t4ll1k0 | ok |
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| 07:34.21 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, metalliko@hellmachine:/dev$ sudo jstest /dev/input/js1 |
| 07:34.21 | M3t4ll1k0 | jstest: No such device |
| 07:34.22 | liable | Slart_: theres a source package available for it? |
| 07:34.36 | Slart_ | shingouz, ah. but there is sourcecode from Promise's website.. there are even instructions for red hat and suse. Debian is left out, sadly |
| 07:34.43 | shingouz | Coke: yeffyumby: apt-get install foo (man apt-get) |
| 07:35.00 | liable | Slart_: install kernel headers and compile. |
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| 07:35.13 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: hmm sorry, I really forgot what I did back then, but you're one step closer now |
| 07:35.17 | Slart_ | liable: I don't need the sources? only headers? |
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| 07:35.24 | shingouz | Slart_: sources from kernel.org and make a custom kernel then. i hope the stuff you get from promise is really source and not some fucked up binary thingie |
| 07:35.27 | liable | Slart_: yes, headers should do. |
| 07:35.44 | M3t4ll1k0 | jm_, I will pay you for the supot if u help me |
| 07:35.47 | M3t4ll1k0 | realy |
| 07:35.54 | M3t4ll1k0 | *suport |
| 07:36.03 | liable | support :) |
| 07:36.09 | M3t4ll1k0 | yes |
| 07:36.19 | M3t4ll1k0 | my english is soo bad |
| 07:36.39 | Slart_ | Here's the support page from promise... to me, this looks like it should be ok. http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?category=all&os=100&productID=139 |
| 07:36.43 | liable | M3t4ll1k0: thats ok, its my native language, and mine sucks too.. :) |
| 07:36.44 | jm_ | M3t4ll1k0: there's no need for that and I would help you further if I remembered what I did - I could easily re-test this if I had my wheel attached, but I don't have the space right now and it'll have to wait a few more months for me to move into a new house |
| 07:37.03 | Slart_ | this was one of the major reasons I bought this card |
| 07:37.04 | jm_ | Slart_: sorry, haven't seen it before - which controller is it? |
| 07:37.11 | Slart_ | SATA 300 TX4 |
| 07:37.19 | tarzeau | what's wrong if on a few boxes with sarge on reboot i get this last msg and it hangs? "Rebooting... flushing ide devices: hda" |
| 07:37.39 | jm_ | 2.6.15 has Promise SATA TX4 support |
| 07:37.53 | Azar | it kicks the HD? |
| 07:37.54 | Coke | jm_: they should be awarded with unemployment. I am confused that the world tolerates such illiteracy. |
| 07:38.01 | Coke | shingouz: whaa? |
| 07:38.54 | jm_ | tarzeau: tried various reboot= kernel options? |
| 07:39.27 | tarzeau | yes and even tried to install acpi/acpid as suggested on a debian mailinglist, one other person has the same problem |
| 07:39.30 | shingouz | Coke: there is no such thing as "apt-get GNOME" |
| 07:39.58 | tarzeau | jm_: i've tried using command "reboot" and "ctrl-alt-del" |
| 07:40.04 | jm_ | I think I've seen a discussion about IDE flushin causing problems on LKML |
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| 07:40.12 | tarzeau | jm_: it's an XPC Shuttle piece of crap |
| 07:40.17 | jm_ | tarzeau: that's not what I meant, I meant reboot=cold or reboot=warm and so on |
| 07:40.20 | tarzeau | jm_: oh let me check LKML then |
| 07:40.34 | tarzeau | jm_: where would i give that to linux kernel parameter? |
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| 07:40.38 | tarzeau | it's a 2.4.32 kernel |
| 07:40.40 | jm_ | tarzeau: boot loader? |
| 07:40.45 | Slart_ | jm_, *sigh*... is there any information on how to enable it? is it semi-automatic? where can I find more information? |
| 07:40.55 | tarzeau | jm_: what would you try first? |
| 07:41.04 | tarzeau | machine is 100 m from here, and it's got snow here |
| 07:41.32 | jm_ | tarzeau: I would try to pass all options available for reboot parameter |
| 07:41.36 | jm_ | one by one |
| 07:41.43 | shingouz | Slart_: you had a 2.6.12, didn't you? install a 2.6.15 and it should work |
| 07:41.48 | Azar | IBM has published a tutorial that explains simple Linux command-line tasks such as logging in as the "super user" (or "root"), .. yadda yadda and when I go to see the tutorial all I see is a RedHad GUI HOWTO tutorial bwahaha |
| 07:41.59 | jm_ | Slart_: that doesn't mean older kernels don't support it, I just said 2.6.15 does, because that's what I have here to check |
| 07:42.38 | Slart_ | shingouz, jm_ ah.. sorry.. didn't read properly... this means I have to compile my own kernel, right? |
| 07:42.41 | jm_ | Slart_: it's just a matter of loading the module for it or enabling it in kernel config if you're building your own kernel |
| 07:42.41 | yeffyumby | shingouz: apt-cache search gnome |
| 07:42.48 | jm_ | Slart_: not necessarily |
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| 07:43.55 | Slart_ | jm_ , is there a way to upgrade the kernel while still using Debian Testing? or just get the module? |
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| 07:44.07 | shingouz | yeffyumby: i am not installing anything gnome. i was referring to you two with your comment of "apt-get GNOME" |
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| 07:44.09 | egolost | noone knows how I could make debian check if my eth0/dhcp needs to reconfigure? |
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| 07:44.20 | tarzeau | jm_: thanks for the hint... will try them all |
| 07:44.22 | yeffyumby | ahh i see |
| 07:44.28 | rend | why should i install debian over gentoo? Im a web developer using ruby on rails |
| 07:44.32 | shingouz | Slart_: if sid has that kernel already, just grab the deb and dpkg -i it |
| 07:44.50 | vin` | rend: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 07:44.53 | shingouz | rend: because you ask your question on #debian? ;) |
| 07:45.09 | rend | shingouz: i asked in #gentoo first |
| 07:45.11 | Slart_ | shingouz, I'll go ahead and try it right away... thanks |
| 07:45.13 | Azar | rand yes, why should you? |
| 07:45.18 | rend | shingouz: but they werent that convincing |
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| 07:45.22 | egolost | rend: well, because you get feed up compileing everything you want to use. |
| 07:45.23 | shingouz | rend: and they said "install gentoo"? |
| 07:45.40 | rend | shingouz: something about choose the right tool |
| 07:46.04 | rend | shingouz: but nobody could give me a prevailing reason.. some dude said dont use it at work |
| 07:46.09 | Azar | rand why would you think that debian could be similar to gentoo by any means? |
| 07:46.23 | rend | Azar: i know little of gentoo. |
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| 07:46.34 | liable | rend: we are not here to convince you of anything, try gentoo, after 3 days of compiling, if you get sick of it, try debian. |
| 07:46.46 | hatake_kakashi | gentoo and debian are different things |
| 07:46.50 | Azar | rand, well it is time for you to find out: gentoo is nothing like debian so it is futile to ask for help here |
| 07:46.53 | rend | Azar: my last install of debian on a laptop was a failure but thats because its a 7 year old toshiba |
| 07:46.56 | hatake_kakashi | they are linux distro, yes but its different |
| 07:47.07 | Azar | rand read up ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 07:47.09 | rend | liable: i want to get things don. |
| 07:47.13 | klys | does gentoo have dpkg ? |
| 07:47.13 | rend | Azar: i did read |
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| 07:47.20 | hatake_kakashi | klys: doubt it |
| 07:47.22 | egolost | its easier to make your own packages in gentoo. |
| 07:47.25 | hatake_kakashi | they have a thing called emerge |
| 07:47.27 | Azar | rand use apt-get update in gentoo please |
| 07:47.39 | egolost | klys: no, they have emerge. |
| 07:47.45 | rend | Azar: hahah does it even have that? |
| 07:47.49 | dimir | M00000rning! |
| 07:47.53 | Azar | egolost: if he is here he has to use apt-get |
| 07:47.59 | Azar | otherwise >>> #gentoo |
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| 07:48.17 | hatake_kakashi | rend: stop promoting/trolling about gentoo :p |
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| 07:48.22 | klys | s/cegega/cedega |
| 07:48.26 | rend | what caused gentoo to get so popular so quickly? |
| 07:48.31 | rend | hatake_kakashi: fuck you |
| 07:48.37 | Azar | rand stop it and move on |
| 07:48.49 | Azar | this is #debian and topics are about debian |
| 07:48.56 | klys | with cedega: how to load an .exe ? |
| 07:49.05 | rend | Azar: im not trolling dillweed |
| 07:49.12 | liable | rend: sarge takes about 20 mins to install, give it a go, if you dont like it, try something else. |
| 07:49.26 | jm_ | Slart_: yeah, why wouldn't you be able to upgrade it? |
| 07:49.27 | rend | liable: im about to... |
| 07:49.49 | Slart_ | jm_, just didn't think about it since I |
| 07:49.53 | dimir | !gentoo |
| 07:49.54 | dpkg | gentoo is, like, a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 07:49.54 | Slart_ | jm_, just didn't think about it since I'm running testing |
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| 07:49.59 | dimir | !greenhouse |
| 07:50.00 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 07:50.02 | Azar | haha |
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| 07:50.27 | hatake_kakashi | rend: read the fine line, debian uses dpkg, apt-get. Gentoo uses emerge, gentoo likes to test. Debian likes stability :p |
| 07:50.44 | klys | what is the gentoo file browser ? |
| 07:50.58 | dimir | ls! |
| 07:51.01 | liable | erm, a file browser.. |
| 07:51.14 | pureone | anything of your choice... |
| 07:51.46 | hatake_kakashi | and people who use Debian likes Debian, stop trying to show off how superior Gentoo is when you have no clue |
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| 07:52.24 | Coke | shingouz: I never suggested there was such a thing either. |
| 07:52.28 | klys | cedega: was winex, is not available in debian (by request) yet is gratis to download the .deb or from cvs, replaces winehq, should run a windows program, but how? |
| 07:52.38 | Azar | as it is not enough... Ubuntu founder will speak at the DebConf in Mexico.. gawddd |
| 07:52.40 | rend | dude that gentoo rice page is awesome |
| 07:52.58 | buu | Hrm. Anyone know if the silicon image sil3114 lan controller works under debian stable, works easily, that sort of thing? |
| 07:53.13 | rend | try to be faster at execution but you lose 10x the time compiling everything |
| 07:53.16 | Coke | shingouz: I think you are confused. |
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| 07:54.51 | pureone | !gentoosmite rend |
| 07:55.36 | rend | !gentoosmite pureone |
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| 07:55.49 | rend | muhahaha |
| 07:56.25 | shingouz | Coke: i am not getting into this now. we both agree that there is no such thing as "apt-get GNOME" but i saw something at about 25 past on the channel to that extent with your nick to it |
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| 07:56.58 | Vooloo | anyone know of any free open source (good) help desk solutions |
| 07:56.59 | Vooloo | ? |
| 07:57.09 | jm_ | buu: yes, many people know, and that's not a LAN chipset |
| 07:57.22 | pureone | ive been using gentoo for a month or 2 now, i get bored of having to wait for everything to compile, then to find out i did something wrong and have to do it again |
| 07:57.22 | klys | vooloo: look around at sf.net, freshmeat |
| 07:57.43 | paivakil | Vooloo: otrs |
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| 07:57.47 | pureone | i prefer debians way of doing things |
| 07:57.48 | rend | dude gentoo is a big pile of steaming bullshit! |
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| 07:57.54 | buu | jm_: You are completely correct. It is a raid controller. Do you know if the raid controller works? |
| 07:58.11 | jm_ | buu: yup -- http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html (it's software RAID BTW) |
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| 07:58.21 | rend | sounds like an OS made for stupid teenagers who want to be 31337 |
| 07:58.22 | Coke | shingouz: you have continously given me answers to a question someone else asked. |
| 07:58.38 | buu | jm_: Yay! I'm actually going to be raiding more than 4 disks, so it kind of has to be software. |
| 07:58.40 | pureone | haha, thats the nail on the head right there ;) |
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| 07:58.54 | jm_ | buu: in that case you're better of using Linux RAID solutions |
| 07:59.00 | jm_ | off* |
| 07:59.31 | buu | jm_: Yar, was planning on it. |
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| 07:59.46 | rend | its also funny that #gentoo is filled with 20 ops. i guess thats to keep people from saying bad stuff about it |
| 08:00.14 | Wowbagger_ | heh |
| 08:00.17 | liable | rend: anyway, 'nough said about gentoo. |
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| 08:01.44 | Wowbagger_ | I'm fiddling with 802.11 and a wrt64g router... Is it possible to get wpa_supplicant to find the access point when it is not broadcasting its SSID? (From googling, that seems to be the case, but most of the results I found were pretty old.) |
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| 08:02.02 | Wowbagger_ | wrt54g even |
| 08:02.06 | shingouz | Coke: yeah....sure.... |
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| 08:02.39 | liable | Wowbagger_: yeah, scans_ssid=1 |
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| 08:02.48 | liable | err, scan_ssid=1 |
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| 08:03.04 | liable | Wowbagger_: dunno about that particular hardware though.. |
| 08:03.14 | Wowbagger_ | liable, i have that set, but it won't connect. |
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| 08:03.19 | Vooloo | paivakil: otrs as in? |
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| 08:03.40 | tarzeau | jm_: i've tried them all, no effect |
| 08:04.00 | Wowbagger_ | liable: It will connect though if I don't reboot between turning off SSID broadcast and restarting wpa_supplicant. Maybe something gets remembered in the driver or card? |
| 08:04.29 | liable | Wowbagger_: turn broadcast on then, its security by obscurity anyway, kismet can decloak it anyway.. |
| 08:04.57 | Wowbagger_ | liable: Yeah... doesn't seem to be that important. |
| 08:05.58 | pureone | even netstumbler can pick them up ;) |
| 08:06.11 | pureone | just need a station to connect to the ap tho |
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| 08:07.06 | rza | hello, anyone got apache2-mpm-prefork installed? |
| 08:07.37 | liable | just ask your question |
| 08:07.47 | rza | that was my question |
| 08:07.54 | rza | i need someone to do /usr/bin/apxs2 -q MPM_NAME |
| 08:08.05 | rza | to see if its actually a bug or is it just me |
| 08:08.06 | liable | hah |
| 08:08.22 | jm_ | tarzeau: then it seems like it's the IDE flush issue I was reading about |
| 08:08.22 | rza | because i got prefork installed and apxs2 returns worker |
| 08:09.31 | tarzeau | jm_: any workarounds? |
| 08:10.06 | jm_ | tarzeau: I think some feller submitted a patch they talked about and which was then applied - this was for 2.6.something |
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| 08:10.30 | tarzeau | jm_: ok, i guess when we upgrade to 2.6 the problem will just disappear |
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| 08:10.50 | jm_ | tarzeau: possibly |
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| 08:12.18 | tziku | !tell tziku about ncurses |
| 08:12.24 | Slart_ | thanks jm_ , shingouz . My Debian-box sees the disks now... just dl'd and installed the new kernel... thanks for the help |
| 08:12.37 | shingouz | Slart_: good luck, man :) |
| 08:13.15 | tziku | can somebody help me with this: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 08:13.18 | Slart_ | it still doesn't recognize the pci-card though.. but as long as the disks are there I'm a happy boy |
| 08:13.23 | znuk | is non-free software infringing IPR? |
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| 08:13.42 | shingouz | hmmm.... i could really use a nice hardmodem here, the winmodem sitting in the box is probably not supported at full speed with anything available freely (conexant hfs) |
| 08:14.26 | shingouz | tziku: manually run "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 08:15.32 | jm_ | Slart_: "doesn't recognize PCI card" - elaborate |
| 08:15.55 | znuk | i have tried to set-up a debian 'testing' with free debian packages. but it is practically impossible. for instance JRE for interactive websites. |
| 08:15.59 | liable | Slart_: update-pciids |
| 08:16.18 | jm_ | znuk: you must be joking |
| 08:16.30 | znuk | jm_: how so? |
| 08:16.34 | Slart_ | jm_, hwinfo just reports the promise-card as a "unknown mass storage controller" but it can use it and the disks are working |
| 08:16.37 | jm_ | znuk: read the topic RE JRE |
| 08:16.44 | jm_ | Slart_: see what liable told you |
| 08:17.15 | znuk | JRE is freely available for download. but it is not free debian package. |
| 08:17.29 | jm_ | no, it's not freely available |
| 08:17.40 | Slart_ | liable, did that and it still doesn't recognize it.. |
| 08:17.47 | jm_ | slapin: run lspci instead |
| 08:17.51 | jm_ | Slart_ ^^^^ |
| 08:19.06 | znuk | jm_: 'available' means what? i cannot go to s |
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| 08:19.07 | znuk | sun's site to download it? |
| 08:19.07 | Slart_ | jm_, ah, lspci found it and recognized it |
| 08:19.07 | jm_ | znuk: the fact you can download it doesn't mean it's free - not everyone uses the same definiton of free |
| 08:19.07 | Slart_ | thanks again |
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| 08:19.08 | jm_ | !tell znuk -about dfsg |
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| 08:20.30 | znuk | jm_: thks, i need to digest it first. |
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| 08:21.02 | jm_ | znuk: but you can of course easily use it on your Debian system - just read the topic and ask dpkg, the bot, about it and read the other factoids it tells you about to learn how to do it properly |
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| 08:23.33 | tziku | !tell tziku about dpkg |
| 08:23.48 | streuner1 | tziku: /msg dpkg foo |
| 08:24.17 | sep | im installing openoffice.org from backports on a sarge. i have done it like the instructions on backports.org said by making the preferences entry. but in the end there it is said that if you type apt-get -t sarge-backports intall .... it should pull dependencies from sarge-backports. that didnt work for me. i had to apt-get -t sarge-backports install openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-common etc etc etc and include all the dependancies in the one command o |
| 08:24.17 | sep | therways it would fail with a dependency not met. is the instructions on backports wrong or am i dooing something wrong somewhere ? |
| 08:24.20 | paivakil | Vooloo: otrs - Open Ticket Request System |
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| 08:26.18 | streuner1 | sep: change preferences file |
| 08:26.37 | streuner1 | sep: just throw it out and run it again |
| 08:26.52 | znuk | jm_: a lot to read up. just want to bring up a case. can someone run a business setting up systems with 'free' software, without charging for the software but only the service? |
| 08:27.02 | streuner1 | sep: after you have installed OO, just put the preferences file (apt) back again |
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| 08:27.12 | jm_ | znuk: of course |
| 08:27.45 | znuk | jm_: wouldn't that be considered as passing on the software to others for a gain? |
| 08:29.41 | jm_ | znuk: no, the idea is that the freedom is preserved - people who you install software for in such a way still have access to the source code and can distribute it further under the same terms |
| 08:29.41 | liable | sep: double check for spelling errors? (you never know :) |
| 08:30.07 | jm_ | znuk: you're just charging for the service of installing and setting it up, you're in no way restricting their freedom this way |
| 08:30.58 | znuk | jm_: legally sound argument. and of course, this could vary from country to country. |
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| 08:31.34 | ejofee | in which way can wondershaper decrease lag? |
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| 08:31.52 | sep | streuner1, i have managed to install everything successfuly. i was just wondering about the instructions. so it's actualy suposed to work that way ? |
| 08:32.02 | jm_ | ejofee: it prioritizes packets in several ways |
| 08:32.08 | sep | liable, cut and pasted... and looks ok. |
| 08:32.24 | oWo2002 | Hi all! I've recompiled debian packages in order to include new cmpile option but when I aptitude upgrade now, aptitude want to upgrade that packages... Is there a way to tell aptitude not care about plz? |
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| 08:32.47 | sep | !hold |
| 08:32.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect or aptitude. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
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| 08:33.30 | liable | oWo2002: or from cli .. aptitude hold foo |
| 08:33.42 | oWo2002 | thx :) |
| 08:33.43 | phyrster | when I use gdm as display manager, how can I make urxvt-unicode source .Xdefaults when I log into X? |
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| 08:34.05 | kreg_work | if i wanted to port every user account from one box to another, can i just copy /etc/passwd on over and somehow append it to the exsisting one? |
| 08:34.12 | L0g0ff | Does anyone knows if there is a working cisco vpn client for debian amd64 ? |
| 08:34.14 | jm_ | phyrster: ln -s ~/.Xdefaults ~/.Xresources |
| 08:34.31 | streuner2 | !amd64 |
| 08:34.32 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 08:35.56 | liable | !hold s=~ /or aptitude./or aptitude. (or from cli, aptitude hold foo)/ |
| 08:36.01 | liable | grr. |
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| 08:36.27 | streuner2 | just use no, foo is |
| 08:36.43 | liable | !no hold is s=~ /or aptitude./or aptitude. (or from cli, aptitude hold foo)/ |
| 08:36.44 | dpkg | okay, liable |
| 08:36.50 | liable | sep: cheers |
| 08:36.53 | liable | grr |
| 08:36.58 | liable | streuner2: ^^ |
| 08:37.07 | jm_ | liable: the syntax is !hold =~ s/foo/bar/ |
| 08:37.09 | phyrster | jm_: I just did what you told me. now do I need to relogin to X to make it take effects? |
| 08:37.22 | streuner2 | liable: that wouldn't fix the factoid iself, it just substitute it... |
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| 08:37.28 | jm_ | phyrster: well that way you'll test if it works, but you can merge it manuall now |
| 08:37.42 | liable | streuner2: oh dear.. |
| 08:37.48 | phyrster | jm_: how to merge now? |
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| 08:37.53 | jm_ | phyrster: man xrdb |
| 08:38.09 | streuner2 | !hold |
| 08:38.09 | dpkg | well, hold is s=~ /or aptitude./or aptitude. (or from cli, aptitude hold foo)/ |
| 08:38.09 | streuner2 | apt, hold |
| 08:38.12 | apt | i guess hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or ... |
| 08:38.36 | jm_ | :))) |
| 08:38.52 | liable | fixed.. |
| 08:39.03 | streuner2 | !hold |
| 08:39.03 | dpkg | from memory, hold is rumour has it, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg |
| 08:39.56 | liable | meh, apt one sucks. |
| 08:40.06 | jm_ | there fixed |
| 08:40.44 | jm_ | it's cut off now - someone didn't paste the whole text |
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| 08:41.23 | liable | heh, too many people trying to fix :) |
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| 08:41.52 | jm_ | don't paste the initial text (from memory, rumour has it, ...) |
| 08:42.12 | liable | wasnt me.. |
| 08:42.39 | liable | err, maybe it was.. |
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| 08:42.44 | liable | wrong factoid.. |
| 08:43.05 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 08:44.46 | Shadda | so |
| 08:44.51 | Shadda | pureftpd is magical |
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| 08:45.22 | Shadda | no, really...I don't mean it's good, i mean it's literally magical. Wizards and stuff. |
| 08:45.24 | liable | shit, my dpkg foo still sucks ass... |
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| 08:46.13 | Shadda | Gluttony:~# /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-postgresql force-reload |
| 08:46.14 | Shadda | Restarting ftp server: Running: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-postgresql-virtualchroot -l pgsql:/etc/pure-ftpd/db/postgresql.conf -o -B |
| 08:46.41 | Shadda | note the path to postgresql.conf. Notice that I have nothing up my sleeve, or in my hat, now watch as I amaze you |
| 08:46.48 | Shadda | Gluttony:~# grep 'PGSQLUser' /etc/pure-ftpd/db/postgresql.conf |
| 08:46.48 | Shadda | PGSQLUser xoom |
| 08:47.03 | Shadda | notice the username in the config file that pure-ftpd-postgresql is using. |
| 08:47.25 | Shadda | Now notice, that everytime I attempt to connect to my ftp (even after a billion reloads/restarts) |
| 08:47.26 | Shadda | LOG: connection authorized: user=postgres database=pureftpd |
| 08:47.42 | Shadda | Quite simply, magical. |
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| 08:50.23 | Shadda | (btw, anyone have a clue why this is happening?) |
| 08:51.08 | Shadda | I mean, it's not like its reading from some other file...if I remove that file, and restart the server, it won't start. Says it can't find the file. So i put it back, start the server, and its using all of its out-of-the-box settings again |
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| 08:55.21 | kreg_work | anyone know ldap? |
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| 08:56.04 | Teltariat | 'lo folks, quick question |
| 08:56.04 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 08:56.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 08:56.15 | tarzeau | Teltariat: ask right away, we can't read mind |
| 08:56.17 | Teltariat | how does one get a list of installed packages? |
| 08:56.24 | jm_ | that's in the faq |
| 08:56.27 | tarzeau | Teltariat: dpkg -l |
| 08:56.50 | Teltariat | jm_, sorry, doing this on the run (Not using Debian as the main OS, but only as a guest Os) |
| 08:56.54 | Teltariat | tarzeau: Thank you |
| 08:57.31 | kneet | I've been getting some read/seek errors on a hard disk. I've just replaced the disk with a new one and I get the same errors. So - I switched in several others. It really begins to look like the cable (fine - easy to replace). However - I'd like to run something to give me an idea if the original disk is actually OK - what kind of disk diagnostics should I be looking at? |
| 08:57.44 | jm_ | kneet: error= and status= codes? |
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| 08:58.05 | kneet | jm_, do you mean in the error messages themselves? |
| 08:58.18 | fireba11 | kneet: the HD vendor#s disc tool is handy for that |
| 08:58.19 | jm_ | kneet: yes |
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| 08:58.55 | kneet | Just gone and checked - the line has scrolled out the console buffer - will need to wait for it - however - it is always a CRC error |
| 08:59.09 | jm_ | it's in logs as long as your fs isn't marked RO |
| 08:59.42 | kneet | Jan 19 08:11:27 localhost kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 08:59.43 | kneet | Jan 19 08:11:27 localhost kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 09:00.04 | jm_ | right that could mean bad cable or disk not getting enough power |
| 09:00.05 | kneet | It's only on the devices on IDE bus 1 |
| 09:00.16 | jm_ | as long as I remember the message from Andre Hedrick correctly |
| 09:00.22 | kneet | And - since I've switched in several disks - seems to me to be cable |
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| 09:00.57 | kneet | Just wondered if there was an equiv to memtest86 for disks - oh - and - can I trust S.M.A.R.T health checks ? |
| 09:01.02 | liable | meh, dondelelcaro will laugh his ass of when he see's my dpkg fuckerage. |
| 09:01.11 | jm_ | badblocks, smart test, manufacturer's tools |
| 09:01.20 | kneet | OK - thanks |
| 09:01.30 | nevyn | is zi chinese traditional or simplified? |
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| 09:04.39 | Sousse | hahó |
| 09:04.44 | gordon | hi mates. Im having some trouble with something that i don't know what it is. My debian server is writing packet information and general networking debugging information to the console and its really starting to piss me off |
| 09:04.46 | Sousse | Enlile |
| 09:04.51 | gordon | what can i do to fix this? |
| 09:05.07 | liable | !syslog |
| 09:05.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, syslog is the unix facility for logging the messages that programs produce. |
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| 09:05.44 | shingouz | kneet: you may want to check the bios settings on the system.i just had the same problem here and i was able to fix it with disabling the "block read-auto" setting in the bios |
| 09:05.54 | liable | !klogd |
| 09:05.55 | dpkg | hmm... klogd is the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. people still use klogd? in sarge, dpkg --purge klogd sysklogd; apt-get install syslog-ng |
| 09:06.02 | liable | gordon: ^^ |
| 09:06.08 | gordon | thanks |
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| 09:07.18 | sep | when any user on the computer starts firefox tey get a blank startpage. how can i set it to the company startpage, for all current and future users ? i have tried adding browser.startup.homapge =url and browser.startup.page = 1 in firefox.js in etc. but no luck. |
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| 09:08.13 | plbgnr | hello, can anybody advice package for setting accurate time/date (with internet connection, no external hw) |
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| 09:08.50 | shingouz | this frigging mobo does not seem to have a link light at all. ifconfig shows everything to be ok, the module is present, i can ping lo and eth0 but pinging the second host on a crossover cat5 does not work. why do some mobos miss link lights?..... grrrr.... |
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| 09:08.55 | gordon | thanks heaps liable |
| 09:08.55 | bbls | hello |
| 09:08.58 | gordon | :) |
| 09:09.01 | liable | !set the time |
| 09:09.02 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 09:09.03 | bbls | how can i install debian on a machine without cdrom? |
| 09:09.11 | bbls | i've downloaded the netinstall iso |
| 09:09.12 | liable | gordon: thank the know all bot :) |
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| 09:09.23 | bbls | and upacked it's content on machine drive |
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| 09:09.28 | bbls | on a FAt32 partition |
| 09:09.33 | shingouz | bbls: off a floppy, usb, some flash memory, chroot it... |
| 09:09.34 | bbls | how can i run the installer now? |
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| 09:09.51 | bbls | no usb flash memory |
| 09:09.55 | liable | bbls: you have floppy? |
| 09:09.58 | bbls | yes |
| 09:10.01 | id23 | aloha #debian |
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| 09:10.06 | liable | use that |
| 09:10.14 | shingouz | two floppies, a nic and network connection is what you need |
| 09:10.21 | bbls | liable will the default floppy based installer install from a disk? |
| 09:10.21 | plbgnr | liable:thanks |
| 09:10.47 | shingouz | bbls: off the hd or off the network, whatever strikes your fancy |
| 09:10.54 | bbls | ok, thx |
| 09:11.36 | bbls | what if it won't recognise my ethernet? |
| 09:11.48 | shingouz | bbls: what ethernet do you have? |
| 09:12.02 | bbls | i have a SiS card with cable modem (so it has to be able to be dhcp client) |
| 09:12.27 | shingouz | bbls: sis is a pain in the ass but it seems to be recognized |
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| 09:12.34 | bbls | ok thx |
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| 09:14.12 | bbls | liable what are the 2 floppies i need? |
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| 09:14.30 | bbls | boot.img cd-drivers.img root.img |
| 09:14.32 | bbls | that's what i have |
| 09:14.49 | shingouz | bbls: boot and root |
| 09:14.53 | bbls | ok thx |
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| 09:15.37 | darkstego | where are errors from firefox logged? |
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| 09:17.09 | poonj | I'm running into a couple of problems.....I've setup an autologin through gdm and I'm trying to autostart a couple of programs, irxevent, irexec, mythbackend, and mythfrontend. For some reason, irxevent doesn't load and mythfrontend takes forever to load |
| 09:17.19 | poonj | any idea what that could be? |
| 09:17.40 | Aronofsky | hi , i would like to know what is the best way to install mplayer and vlc on a testing since those ate not available anymore on apt ? |
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| 09:17.57 | rob1 | poonj, I did something similar with gcompris for the kids |
| 09:18.02 | wintalker | is there a soft can do something like write some notes and pin it to desktop? |
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| 09:18.10 | bibe | Aronofsky : try /msg dpkg marillat |
| 09:18.20 | poonj | gcompris for kids? |
| 09:18.32 | rob1 | theres a file you have to modify, can't remember off the top of my head which one (its been a while) |
| 09:18.42 | jm_ | wintalker: yes |
| 09:18.45 | rob1 | its an educational package |
| 09:18.51 | wintalker | jm_, like what? |
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| 09:19.13 | Aronofsky | bibe, marillat provides mplayer but does t provide vlc too ? |
| 09:19.20 | wintalker | jm_, because i am reading something and i got to write down some important for checking after. |
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| 09:19.39 | Flimzy | Is it possible to play back WMV files w/ amd64? Are there 64-bit DLLs (or other support) for it? |
| 09:19.45 | jm_ | wintalker: apt-cache search note sticky |
| 09:20.04 | bibe | Aronofsky : not for sarge |
| 09:20.12 | bibe | Aronofsky : but I don't use testing |
| 09:20.29 | liable | !info vlc etch |
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| 09:20.42 | poonj | rob1: were you able to fix it? |
| 09:20.48 | Aronofsky | !info vlc etch |
| 09:21.02 | wintalker | jm_, i got goats, thanks. the command is works. i got to write it down |
| 09:21.04 | Aronofsky | !info mplayer etch |
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| 09:21.28 | jm_ | Aronofsky: mplayer is not in Debian ... |
| 09:21.49 | liable | Aronofsky: its in marillats repo |
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| 09:22.30 | d0uglas | i'm looking for a php performance enhancer.. is eaccelerator what I want or is there something ... simpler? |
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| 09:22.46 | inc|stone | why i can´t can use su as a added user? oO |
| 09:22.55 | liable | Aronofsky: vlc must be broken in etch or something, cause its in sid. |
| 09:23.21 | jm_ | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 09:23.38 | jm_ | there, that's why |
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| 09:25.16 | rob1 | poonj, from memory you need to set what ever program you want to run as a "window manager" of sorts, if you want it to be like a kiosk |
| 09:25.31 | inc|stone | i had used "adduser somename" but when i logged in as somename i cant use su :/ why? |
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| 09:25.48 | poonj | run as a window manager? |
| 09:26.27 | solexx_ | inc|stone: what error do you get? |
| 09:26.29 | rob1 | poonj, I take it you want mythtv to run, rather then say a gnome desktop? |
| 09:26.37 | poonj | well |
| 09:26.38 | inc|stone | su: Permission denied |
| 09:26.38 | inc|stone | Sorry. |
| 09:26.39 | adii | how can i install reaktivate module in konqueror |
| 09:26.41 | inc|stone | thats what i get |
| 09:26.44 | poonj | I want mythtv to run at bootup, yes |
| 09:26.53 | inc|stone | but why Permission denied Oo |
| 09:26.54 | poonj | but then also the lirc programs as well |
| 09:27.13 | rob1 | poonj, well you could have a script that does that |
| 09:27.17 | solexx_ | inc|stone: did you maybe modify /etc/pam.d/su? |
| 09:27.19 | poonj | ummm, okay |
| 09:27.29 | poonj | yeah |
| 09:27.31 | poonj | let me try that |
| 09:27.38 | poonj | but then it has to run when I'm in X |
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| 09:27.42 | poonj | what is the way around that? |
| 09:28.13 | inc|stone | solexx_: no, but i will look on more again |
| 09:28.22 | inc|stone | some other idea? |
| 09:28.26 | rob1 | well in gdm on the kids pc, I have a choice of gnome, xfce or gcompris |
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| 09:28.39 | poonj | I'm running gnome.. |
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| 09:29.43 | inc|stone | solexx_: also nothing chaned in /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 09:30.34 | inc|stone | changed* |
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| 09:31.58 | rob1 | poonj, check out http://channels.debian.net/paste/1584 |
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| 09:32.28 | inc|stone | solexx_: omg.. simple mistake... im nont in group wheel.... |
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| 09:32.46 | solexx_ | inc|stone: that's what I thought :) |
| 09:32.56 | inc|stone | :p |
| 09:32.57 | inc|stone | ty |
| 09:33.27 | solexx_ | and afaik you have to modify pam.d/su to require a specific group to su |
| 09:33.56 | poonj | rob1, I don't see a /etc/gdm/Sessions |
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| 09:34.07 | Shadowcat | hmm not much activity this morning |
| 09:34.16 | rob1 | it might be /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions |
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| 09:35.25 | poonj | I have directories for PostSession, PreSession, and PostLogin |
| 09:35.36 | Aronofsky | jm_, liable, thx , is it safe to use marillat repo or should I better compile from source ? |
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| 09:36.49 | jm_ | Aronofsky: works fine for me |
| 09:37.02 | jes-o-mat | Aronofsky: I have no problems with marillat repo |
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| 09:37.33 | inc|stone | thx again solexx_ ;p |
| 09:37.38 | rob1 | poonj, you will need to check your gdm config, mine says SessionDesktopDir=/etc/X11/sessions/:/etc/dm/Sessions/:/usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/:/usr/share/xsessions/ |
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| 09:38.10 | rob1 | so /etc/X11/sessions for me |
| 09:38.18 | poonj | okay |
| 09:38.19 | poonj | letm e see |
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| 09:38.52 | kreg_work | can someone explain to me why i have to do this? |
| 09:38.53 | kreg_work | sulu:~# apt-cache search NIS | grep NIS |
| 09:38.54 | nk | isn't there a font package in dpkg? |
| 09:38.58 | kreg_work | just to get what i really am looking for? |
| 09:38.59 | adii | how works svn co |
| 09:39.00 | nk | i need true type fonts |
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| 09:39.20 | jm_ | nk: many font packages are packaged in Debian |
| 09:39.22 | Aronofsky | jm_, jes-o-mat , ok , and what is the exact adress to add to my sources.list for testing ? |
| 09:39.37 | jm_ | Aronofsky: I don't use testing |
| 09:39.47 | nk | jm_: if i search for "truetype font" i jsut get packages of separate fonts, but no packages ./ |
| 09:39.58 | jm_ | nk: search how? |
| 09:40.03 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: telnet linuks.mine.nu and replace sid and unstable with testing |
| 09:40.26 | tarzeau | nk: search ttf- |
| 09:40.36 | nk | jm_: apt-cache of course :) well. as I did search for font package I got several results. thxd |
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| 09:40.44 | wintalker | my system suddenly have no vice now after i change user |
| 09:41.01 | wintalker | i got i810 chip sound |
| 09:41.22 | jm_ | nk: yes, like I said, there are many packages with fonts |
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| 09:42.24 | wintalker | when i click volume control, i got this message: no mixer elements and/or devices found |
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| 09:44.02 | Agiofws | what is the best way to stop processes loading at boot time ? do i chmod -x the apps in /etc/init.d or do i remove the links in /etc/rcX.d ? which is the right way to go ? |
| 09:44.03 | Matt-H | wintalker: is the new user a member of the audio group? |
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| 09:44.03 | jm_ | Agiofws: the latter |
| 09:44.05 | wintalker | Matt-H, i don't know. if now, what i can do? |
| 09:44.15 | CtRiX | Agiofws: update-rc.d |
| 09:44.20 | wintalker | Matt-H, if not. what should i do? |
| 09:44.43 | Matt-H | wintalker: edit /etc/group, or use some form of GUI user editor to add that user to audio |
| 09:45.01 | jm_ | Agiofws: then again, why not simply uninstall it if you don't need it? |
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| 09:45.24 | Agiofws | jm_: if i remove the links how will i know what is supposed to load next time i edit the rcX.d file |
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| 09:45.33 | wintalker | Matt-H, thanks. should i reboot? |
| 09:45.48 | Matt-H | wintalker: no |
| 09:45.59 | jm_ | Agiofws: I don't understand this question |
| 09:46.01 | wintalker | Matt-H, just log off? |
| 09:46.21 | Matt-H | wintalker: you may need to log out and back in - not sure when group membership's checked etc. |
| 09:46.33 | Agiofws | jm_: if i remove a link how will i remeber what should be there or not ? |
| 09:46.46 | Agiofws | something like a guide line |
| 09:46.55 | jm_ | Agiofws: you mean to restore it? |
| 09:47.07 | Shadowcat | if you don't know how the debian startup files are structured |
| 09:47.12 | Shadowcat | YOU SHOULDN'T BE TOUCHING IT |
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| 09:47.22 | Shadowcat | because you might just knock out your boot system |
| 09:47.36 | Shadowcat | actually you probably will knock out something vital |
| 09:47.49 | vin` | !services |
| 09:47.49 | dpkg | i guess services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 09:48.03 | Agiofws | jm_: to restore it something |
| 09:48.06 | jm_ | Agiofws: typically -- grep update-rc.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.postinst |
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| 09:48.10 | Shadowcat | vin`: that assumes you know what all those symlinks do |
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| 09:48.45 | Agiofws | jm_: nother question |
| 09:48.46 | jm_ | unfortunatelly Debian doesn't store this info in the init file itself, like say RH or SuSE and then you have to resort to other methods to find it |
| 09:49.01 | Agiofws | jm_: ok.. |
| 09:49.13 | Shadowcat | jm_: you could always make a copy of your /etc/init.d and /etc/rcX.d/ dirs |
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| 09:49.26 | Shadowcat | I mean it's what? 500k of config files? MAX? |
| 09:49.29 | jm_ | Shadowcat: of course, or restore from a backup |
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| 09:49.33 | wintalker | Matt-H, thanks. it's solved |
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| 09:49.40 | Shadowcat | hey now there's an idea, /etc dir in subversion |
| 09:49.45 | Shadowcat | I gotta try that sometime >:) |
| 09:50.10 | Agiofws | does boot go through rc0.d rc1.d rc2.d at boot if you're booting up to runnlevel 2 ? |
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| 09:50.22 | sep | pentium D 820 dualcore. is this cpu supported in 2.6.8-smp in sarge. or would it require a more recent kernel ? |
| 09:50.34 | dreamboat | Hi all..... jumping in here, way off any topic.... can someone tell me who looks after the intellectual property of debian??? trademarks etc? |
| 09:50.36 | Shadowcat | Agiofws: runlevel 0 is halt, why the hell would a booting system go through that? |
| 09:50.41 | jm_ | good question - I guess it should just work |
| 09:50.46 | Agiofws | Shadowcat: oh |
| 09:50.47 | ufo | hi, i have a problem with RAID-1 on Debian Sarge, everytime I reboot, the second drive is out of the RAID array, I get an error that /dev/hdc has an unknown partition table, when I try to add the drive to the array with mdadm --add it works fine, but when I reboot again, i'm still only working with one drive... |
| 09:50.50 | Shadowcat | sep: try that kernel, if it doesn't work, you need a newer one |
| 09:50.54 | Agiofws | so i should be touching that |
| 09:50.59 | Agiofws | so i should'NT be touching that |
| 09:51.05 | Shadowcat | Agiofws: shouldn't |
| 09:51.06 | jm_ | Agiofws: read README.runlevels.gz |
| 09:51.15 | sep | Shadowcat, duuh that's obvious, he point is that i dont want to buy it unless it works :) |
| 09:51.20 | Shadowcat | touching runlevel 0 or 6 for example is a BAD idea |
| 09:51.28 | Agiofws | so it goes through rc1 rc2 |
| 09:51.28 | Shadowcat | sep: buy it? |
| 09:51.36 | Shadowcat | sep: you can download the dvd images |
| 09:51.38 | Shadowcat | why buy it? |
| 09:51.39 | Agiofws | does it go through rcS.d ? |
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| 09:51.52 | Shadowcat | Agiofws: I'm not gonna tutor you about the debian boot system |
| 09:51.55 | sep | Shadowcat, the cpu... i dont want to buy /that/ cpu unless it works with sarge. |
| 09:51.56 | jm_ | Shadowcat: he means the CPU :P |
| 09:51.57 | Shadowcat | you wanna mess with it, go RTFM |
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| 09:52.04 | Shadowcat | sep: I wouldn't buy Intel period |
| 09:52.06 | Agiofws | lol |
| 09:52.13 | Shadowcat | I'd go get an AMD64 |
| 09:52.18 | nevyn | hrm |
| 09:52.28 | nevyn | I wouldn't buy an amd64 laptop |
| 09:52.35 | sep | Shadowcat, not an option. clients policy |
| 09:52.44 | Shadowcat | sep: uhh moronic client |
| 09:52.49 | engelsen | I have a printer that used to work. but now I get "Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device" |
| 09:52.50 | jm_ | sep: in that case just buy it, they won't know if you're using both CPU-s |
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| 09:53.03 | Shadowcat | the only P4s worth considering is the 9xx series |
| 09:53.12 | Shadowcat | and they're expensive as hell at the moment |
| 09:53.21 | jm_ | AMD x2 CPU-s are not cheap either |
| 09:53.44 | Shadowcat | jm_: the problem with the 8xx and 6xx series is the heat dissapation |
| 09:53.45 | sep | jm_, true... but i also want them to get the " darn this debian is speedy" feeling :) |
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| 09:53.58 | Agiofws | Shadowcat: one last question what does the rcS.d file do at boot up ? |
| 09:54.00 | jm_ | sep: I think this should just work |
| 09:54.04 | nevyn | sep: I would suggest that it's not supported in 2.6.8 |
| 09:54.11 | Shadowcat | Agiofws: I'm not gonna answer that, RTFM |
| 09:54.11 | nevyn | actually maybe it'll just work |
| 09:54.11 | Agiofws | does boot go through that ? |
| 09:54.17 | Agiofws | kk |
| 09:54.21 | jm_ | Shadowcat: I only buy AMD ever since K6 |
| 09:54.22 | Shadowcat | Agiofws: perferably before I add you to an ignore list |
| 09:54.37 | nevyn | k6 was a dog.. way too hot |
| 09:54.38 | sep | nevyn and why do you think that ? |
| 09:54.42 | Shadowcat | jm_: I've gotten them since k7 |
| 09:55.01 | Shadowcat | !beat quad3datwork2 |
| 09:55.13 | sep | ohwell i just have to try i guess. :) |
| 09:55.17 | nevyn | sep: it's just an implementation of smp that's on a single die.. shrug short answer is I dunno |
| 09:55.28 | Shadowcat | nevyn: no HT is the opposite of smp |
| 09:55.52 | Shadowcat | HT fills in free stages in a deep pipeline on a single core |
| 09:55.53 | nevyn | Shadowcat: we're talking about pentium D which is SMC not HT |
| 09:55.56 | sep | the most common reason i need newer kernel is sata or other chipset issue. rearly the cpu itself |
| 09:56.02 | Shadowcat | nevyn: oh |
| 09:56.03 | Shadowcat | ok |
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| 09:56.19 | Shadowcat | sep: you WILL need 2.6.15 for the raid controller |
| 09:56.21 | Shadowcat | no doubt about that |
| 09:56.23 | jm_ | HT is also bollockss ;) |
| 09:56.29 | sep | Shadowcat, what raid controller ?? |
| 09:56.37 | nevyn | jm_: depends on your workload |
| 09:56.40 | nevyn | like everything |
| 09:56.41 | Shadowcat | sep: the one on the Intel motherboard? |
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| 09:56.50 | jm_ | sep: yeah you may need a new kernel for ICR7 for example |
| 09:57.12 | Shadowcat | jm_: he will, the chipset 8xx runs on wasn't around when 2.6.8 was released |
| 09:57.15 | sep | Shadowcat, but i buy a pci-X card i know work :) |
| 09:57.59 | jm_ | Shadowcat: are you saying one can't use it with say nforce chipset? |
| 09:58.04 | Shadowcat | that's one solution I guess, as long as I ain't paying |
| 09:58.05 | sep | jm_, i know that i can't use one of the onboard nic's due to the cipset. but i can live with that since i only need 1 nic |
| 09:58.19 | sep | Shadowcat, no controller onboard anyway |
| 09:58.19 | Shadowcat | jm_: 2.6.8 works with nforce3, but I doubt it can support nforce4 |
| 09:58.36 | Shadowcat | 2.6.14 works with nforce3 and nforce4, including the gigabit nics |
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| 09:58.43 | Shadowcat | I would assume 2.6.15 has even more support |
| 09:58.49 | jm_ | Shadowcat: worked just fine for me |
| 09:58.53 | deadcat | should i give real info for walgreens.com? like bdate, address, phone? |
| 09:58.57 | jm_ | except for forcedeth driver |
| 09:59.11 | Shadowcat | but I'm not gonna upgrade to that until 2.6.16 gets released, can't be bothered recompiling everytime they put out a bugfix |
| 09:59.20 | Shadowcat | jm_: forcedeth works in 2.6.14 and later |
| 09:59.28 | Shadowcat | too bad that kernel's BROKEN though in debian |
| 09:59.31 | jm_ | Shadowcat: it sure does, it sort of works in 2.6.8 too |
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| 10:04.43 | dc | Ó ñåì ïðèâåòèê! Íå ïîäñêàæèòå çäåñÿ åñòü ðóññêèå êàíàëû? |
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| 10:06.38 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to make the kdevelop editor indent as emacs (when you hit TAB)? |
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| 10:10.08 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 10:10.32 | ufo | anyone can help me with a RAID issue? |
| 10:10.40 | MaDbUnNY | good morning folks |
| 10:10.43 | juice` | i've installed debian/etch from debootstrap (remote), and when i run 'man' or 'less' or something similar, i can't use pgup/pgdown to scroll the screen, any ideas why? in what package i can control it? i'm using ssh + putty to connect to server, and i have got no such problems before on any host... |
| 10:10.47 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: #debian-kde |
| 10:11.23 | MaDbUnNY | anyone got experience with installing debian on an Acer 1694 laptop? |
| 10:11.29 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 10:11.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 10:11.46 | liable | MaDbUnNY: tuxmobil.org |
| 10:12.38 | ufo | hi, i have a problem with RAID-1 on Debian Sarge, everytime I reboot, the second drive is out of the RAID array, I get an error that /dev/hdc has an unknown partition table, when I try to add the drive to the array with mdadm --add it works fine, but when I reboot again, i'm still only working with one drive... |
| 10:12.51 | MaDbUnNY | have seen that site already, they are installing Gentoo there |
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| 10:14.16 | saintiss | hi |
| 10:14.28 | saintiss | what is the debian way to make sure ip_forward() is called in /etc/init.d/networking? |
| 10:14.39 | jm_ | saintiss: in Sarge? |
| 10:14.43 | saintiss | the function is there, I just can't figure out what would make it call |
| 10:14.46 | saintiss | jm_, etch |
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| 10:15.20 | jm_ | in Sarge one enables it by editing /etc/network/options |
| 10:15.22 | Agiofws | K20rsync -> ../init.d/rsync can i remove this from boot up ? |
| 10:15.32 | Agiofws | ../init.d/acpid , ./init.d/mdadm ../init.d/atd what do these apps do in boot do i need them ? |
| 10:15.58 | saintiss | jm_, hmm, indeed, while etch generates a warning that that file is deprecated |
| 10:16.07 | graphite | i've been banging my head against a wall for the last 2 hours...trying to get trac to work with python2.4 |
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| 10:16.20 | graphite | for some reason python won't see svn modules |
| 10:16.36 | graphite | any ideas? |
| 10:17.20 | Agiofws | what does rsync do ? |
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| 10:17.54 | graphite | rsync will sync 2 folders based on file mod times |
| 10:18.01 | jm_ | saintiss: it has been more or less depreacted in Sarge already, but it still works - just read through init script itself |
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| 10:18.04 | graphite | and can do it remotely over the wire |
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| 10:19.06 | graphite | and google is entirely unhelpful |
| 10:19.58 | saintiss | jm_, ok thanks |
| 10:20.57 | jm_ | saintiss: alternatively, just use sysctl |
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| 10:22.02 | saintiss | jm_, apparently, the bug database suggests to use ifupdown hooks to enable ip_forward... |
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| 10:23.00 | jm_ | saintiss: or that, there are many ways |
| 10:23.36 | Rippey | im trying to install grub on the second hd of my soft raid 1, grub see the first hd but not the second. anyone to help me |
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| 10:24.34 | jm_ | Rippey: how are you doing it? |
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| 10:25.21 | Zebbrino | ciao a tutti |
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| 10:25.45 | graphite | grr... |
| 10:25.47 | slug | hello all |
| 10:25.50 | graphite | hey |
| 10:25.59 | graphite | why doesn't this work :\ |
| 10:26.01 | graphite | heh |
| 10:26.38 | crypt_ex | How do I make a file 0 in size, with no \n or \n, echo > file.txt does not work... returns 1 byte in size. |
| 10:26.51 | crypt_ex | \r |
| 10:26.53 | graphite | how about "touch file.txt" |
| 10:26.54 | graphite | heh |
| 10:26.57 | graphite | if there is no file |
| 10:26.58 | crypt_ex | erm... |
| 10:27.01 | crypt_ex | that didnt work |
| 10:27.10 | crypt_ex | the file exsists |
| 10:27.12 | Rippey | my raid 1 is working, grub dont see hd1 when im trying root(hd1,0) |
| 10:27.21 | Aronofsky | got a pb with marillat repo : i add the following line to my sources ( deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main ) but i got the followin messageW: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 when i update : |
| 10:27.35 | saintiss | crypt_ex, echo "" > file? |
| 10:27.48 | nkuttler | Aronofsky: it's documented on the marillat web page |
| 10:28.05 | jm_ | echo -n |
| 10:28.07 | crypt_ex | saintiss, nope |
| 10:28.23 | crypt_ex | jm_, well done :D |
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| 10:28.26 | graphite | echo -n indeed |
| 10:28.33 | slug | i have xorg 6.9.0 running and installed newest ati fglrx driver and compliled the gart mdule, now everything works fine, i can pla quake fglrxinfo gives me direct rendering on and found my card 9800 pro |
| 10:28.35 | crypt_ex | thanks that guys |
| 10:28.37 | crypt_ex | for that |
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| 10:28.40 | nkuttler | touch works as well |
| 10:28.59 | jm_ | if the file isn't there |
| 10:29.00 | crypt_ex | nkuttler, stick a character in it...then touch, the ls -al |
| 10:29.01 | slug | but if i log out after running a game or glxgears even after fglrxinfo my system freezes!! |
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| 10:29.04 | graphite | yeah...only if the file wasn't there |
| 10:29.08 | nkuttler | sure. man touch, heh |
| 10:29.18 | slug | i cant even log into a new console |
| 10:29.32 | jm_ | slug: does the system still work? |
| 10:29.59 | slug | yes but i have to press the reset button and restart |
| 10:30.16 | jm_ | how do you know it works? |
| 10:30.19 | djp | i want to change my desktop resolution in order to get a decent output to my tv using nvtv. am i best off changing the resolution by using gnome and going Applications/Desktop Preferences/Screen Resolution/ or using the xrandr --size 800x600 (example) command? |
| 10:31.02 | jm_ | djp: GNOME is probably making use of XRANRD extension, so there's little difference |
| 10:31.10 | slug | but if i dont use the external comiled gart module, all works fine but without direct rendering |
| 10:31.18 | slug | :( |
| 10:31.41 | jm_ | right - it might indicate your kernel crashes, did you check if keyboard LED-ss are blinking? |
| 10:31.50 | djp | jm_, i see. so just a difference of using the gui or command line. thanks jm_ |
| 10:31.52 | jm_ | or your logs |
| 10:32.16 | slug | i can find that in /var/log yes? |
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| 10:32.29 | jm_ | as long as it's able to log it, yes |
| 10:33.07 | slug | also must mention i am not running any desktop riht now only twm what comes with xorg |
| 10:33.17 | azeem | twm rules |
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| 10:33.24 | slug | true i love it |
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| 10:35.23 | GmLB | How can I quickly parse a very big text file and remove the first x lines (say the first 10,000 lines) and dump it out? Is there a linux util that can do that on the command line? |
| 10:35.37 | azeem | head ? |
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| 10:35.42 | abelardon | hello |
| 10:35.45 | azeem | or something |
| 10:35.54 | jm_ | or sed/perl if you want to do edit it in-place |
| 10:36.05 | abelardon | is there a program that i can get the inode(filename) number from sector number |
| 10:36.07 | jm_ | or ed or ... |
| 10:36.08 | slug | ahh i have found some errors in the kernel log |
| 10:36.26 | abelardon | i want to get which filename does the specified sector number belong to |
| 10:36.29 | jm_ | abelardon: dumpe2fs for ext2/3 should help |
| 10:36.40 | abelardon | for ext3? |
| 10:36.45 | abelardon | ok, |
| 10:36.46 | abelardon | ok |
| 10:36.47 | abelardon | thanx |
| 10:36.50 | abelardon | let me check |
| 10:36.55 | jm_ | sorry debugfs not dumpe2fs |
| 10:37.15 | slug | ]fglrx;free_buffer_queue] *ERROR* bufer queue still mapped |
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| 10:37.21 | stagger | #flood |
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| 10:37.59 | slug | ? |
| 10:38.03 | abelardon | jm_: why i want that is i am getting kernel error saying like "DriveRead SeekComplete Error".. and on the top there is a sector number where the error has been occured. |
| 10:38.16 | slug | same with firegl_rmmap |
| 10:38.18 | jm_ | abelardon: I figured it's because of that |
| 10:38.26 | abelardon | i want to see which file on the disk is corrupted entering this sector number |
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| 10:38.29 | ufo | abelardon, mee too |
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| 10:38.35 | ldy | Hi, anyboday has the experience of useing T42 on a projector with different resolution from the screen? |
| 10:38.46 | ufo | abelardon, but nobody seems to know what the problem is |
| 10:39.20 | abelardon | ok ok no problem i want to disable the file someway - i do not know how currently.. . |
| 10:39.29 | abelardon | thanx for your answers |
| 10:39.31 | umon | \help |
| 10:40.00 | jm_ | abelardon: I simply found such files when copying data to new disk |
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| 10:40.42 | jm_ | abelardon: here, from the debugfs help output -- bmap Calculate the logical->physical block mapping for an in |
| 10:40.49 | jm_ | ode, and imap Calculate the location of an inode |
| 10:41.34 | juice` | i've installed debian/etch from debootstrap (remote), and when i run 'man' or 'less' or something similar, i can't use pgup/pgdown to scroll the screen, any ideas why? in what package i can control it? i'm using ssh + putty to connect to server, and i have got no such problems before on any host... |
| 10:43.26 | Knight_Lord | How do i do this? "activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak" |
| 10:43.46 | bibe | juice` : I'm not sure, but try looking at /etc/inputrc (I have to uncomment two lines to enable Home and End when users use PuTTY) |
| 10:43.50 | petemc | !+loopbreak |
| 10:43.50 | dpkg | 'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade. if you are getting this message about e2fsproogs, ask me about <e2fsprogs loop> |
| 10:44.15 | Knight_Lord | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 10:44.15 | dpkg | i heard e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:44.45 | graphite | is there an updated python2.4-svn svn bindings that actually work |
| 10:44.46 | graphite | ? |
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| 10:49.19 | slug | i had the same problem running the ati installer on debian stable with default kernel |
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| 10:50.29 | slug | so i used the driver installation from virgilio and all workt fine but he has no drivers for xorg 6.9.0 :( |
| 10:50.36 | bibe | slug : I run the ati installer this morning on a fresh sarge installation, it didn't complain |
| 10:51.03 | slug | bibe are u using internal or external gart module? |
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| 10:51.11 | slug | do u have direct rendering? |
| 10:51.55 | troyme | slug:download th .run file from ati and package it for debian sid yourself easyle |
| 10:52.22 | bibe | I had a kernel oop running glxinfo, but I was using a kernel with framebuffer support compiled in |
| 10:52.51 | bibe | bibe : but direct rendering was on |
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| 10:53.20 | slug | hmm problem is i need to use the external because i have nforce2 |
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| 10:54.02 | slug | bibe so u did not have to compile a module ur self? |
| 10:54.29 | slug | troyme please explain... |
| 10:54.37 | bibe | slug : yes, I did compile it for my kernel (2.6.15 from backports' source) |
| 10:54.56 | troyme | down load ati-driver-installer-8.20.8-i386.run on ati.com |
| 10:55.30 | slug | bibe do u know a good howto ? or can u send me a guide, how u did this? |
| 10:55.49 | slug | troyme yes i have run the installer from ati |
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| 10:56.25 | troyme | run it by sh ati-driver-installer-8.20.8-i386.run --get-supported |
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| 10:56.43 | shishi | hello all |
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| 10:56.45 | bibe | !tell slug -about simple sid backport |
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| 10:57.01 | slug | all works fine until i compile the module and use the "UseInternalGART" "no" option in xorg.conf |
| 10:57.04 | troyme | slug: you will see what will supported by this package |
| 10:57.09 | shishi | can someone tell me where is log errors of apt . |
| 10:57.39 | slug | yes the installer detected i am running xorg 6.9.0 and installed without any errors |
| 10:57.51 | bibe | slug : use fglrx-driver sources from sid (8.20.8) or the newer ati installer (8.21.7) |
| 10:58.33 | bibe | slug : or use flavio stanchina's howto and/or binaries (http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html) |
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| 10:58.48 | testmachine | hey, i have a question |
| 10:58.58 | testmachine | is it possible to add files to an .deb package? |
| 10:59.13 | jm_ | yes |
| 10:59.21 | troyme | slug: then you can package it by sh ati-driver-installer-8.20.8-i386.run --buildpkg debian-sid or some else ,sorry i forgot exactly what debian-sid was |
| 10:59.22 | testmachine | do you know how? |
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| 10:59.54 | fatal__ | testmachine: deb's are "ar" packaged archives... |
| 11:00.00 | bibe | troyme , slug : I think it's ./ati-driver-installer-8.20.8-i386.run --buildpkg Debian/sid |
| 11:00.07 | jm_ | yes, like with any archive - unpack it, add files, update necessary files, repack it |
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| 11:00.19 | testmachine | hmm |
| 11:00.47 | troyme | bibe: i don't have the .run file at hand, so... |
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| 11:01.37 | chaoulJ | which folder should i chattr +i so that other user cannot make a new profile of firefox browser ..? |
| 11:01.38 | bibe | troyme : yes, no problem... that was just to tell slug ;) |
| 11:02.03 | juice` | bibe: my pgup and pgdwon works for example in joe |
| 11:02.05 | troyme | slug:still here?? |
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| 11:02.26 | juice` | bibe: its just that only some programs doesnt work this way |
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| 11:02.39 | juice` | bibe: like less or man or probably others |
| 11:02.54 | resiak | chaoulJ: You do know that they could just tell firefox to put its profile in a different directory? |
| 11:03.03 | juice` | bibe: and i havent found anything in inputrc |
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| 11:03.43 | slug | okay its generating package for Debian/sid |
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| 11:04.35 | iostream | Hi. What "mailserver-package" (if I may say so) would you people recommend; It has to have the following: Fairly easy to setup, POP3, IMAP, virtual users/domains |
| 11:04.54 | pmallapp | anybody know about linux-gate.so.1 |
| 11:04.56 | chaoulJ | resiak: so wahat to do? |
| 11:05.13 | troyme | slug: install the fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src deb package |
| 11:05.27 | Solid | Guys Ive Re Installed apache2 But The apache2.conf Is Missing In /etc/apache2 |
| 11:05.32 | resiak | chaoulJ: What are you trying to do? |
| 11:05.39 | resiak | Solid: Did you delete it before you reinstalled? |
| 11:05.43 | slug | okay ls |
| 11:05.43 | resiak | Solid: If so, that's why. |
| 11:05.58 | troyme | slug: cd /usr/src |
| 11:06.00 | resiak | chaoulJ: Google for stuff about linux kiosks |
| 11:06.12 | Solid | yes ive deleted /etc/apache2 bbefore ive installed the new one |
| 11:06.34 | Solid | so is there any way to get it back? |
| 11:06.46 | slug | k |
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| 11:07.12 | resiak | Solid: apt tracks and preserves configuration alteration, and so it's not reinstating it. apt-get remove --purge apache2; apt-get install apache2 |
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| 11:07.20 | troyme | slug: decompress the file named fglrx....gz |
| 11:07.29 | chaoulJ | resiak, Easiest way is to put the xpi file into the application extensions folder then run firefox once as a user who can write there (assuming your on firefox 1.5) ..how do we do it ? |
| 11:07.49 | ejofee | where do i find irc networks similar to freenode but instead of talking about software disfunctions (etc.) people there talk about some of their internal organs disfunctions and share questions and opinions on ways to fix them? |
| 11:07.52 | Solid | cuz i was having troubles ive install new debain when i started apache i cant stop it nor restart it |
| 11:08.06 | Solid | when i stop it it says no pid found blab! |
| 11:08.10 | resiak | chaoulJ: I don't get what you're talking about. What xpi?! |
| 11:08.24 | Solid | and when i start it it says pd fount already running |
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| 11:08.58 | troyme | slug:what linux kernel do u installed |
| 11:09.17 | slug | i have 2.6.15 with cK2 patchset |
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| 11:09.51 | Solid | ok ive typed apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 11:10.00 | Solid | it gives me 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 11:10.15 | Solid | cuz its already removed |
| 11:10.21 | Solid | so can i install it now? |
| 11:10.29 | resiak | dpkg --purge apache2 |
| 11:10.36 | troyme | slug: cd the dir u have decompressed |
| 11:10.39 | resiak | Oh, my bad, apache2-common |
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| 11:11.30 | slug | ok |
| 11:11.59 | Solid | ok its done ! now can i install it normally? |
| 11:12.11 | Solid | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache2-common which isn't installed. |
| 11:12.39 | Solid | sorry i mean warning: while removing apache2-common, directory `/var/www' not empty so not removed. |
| 11:12.42 | troyme | slug:seemed something wrong with this fglrx_kernel-src package |
| 11:12.55 | Solid | just this warning |
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| 11:13.09 | troyme | slug:lack the 2.6x dir like before |
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| 11:14.31 | slug | troyme: ? |
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| 11:14.45 | Solid | can i install apache normally ? like apt-get install apache2* ? |
| 11:15.07 | troyme | slug:when compile the kernel ,have some error |
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| 11:15.44 | slug | troyme: yes a few |
| 11:15.56 | bibe | Solid : apt-get install apache2 , then that depends on the additional libraries/extensions you want to install (such as libapache2-mod-php4) |
| 11:16.01 | Aronofsky | can anyone tell me what i sould apt to have avformat.h, because I installed libavcodec-dev but the file is still not there ? |
| 11:16.08 | Solid | ok |
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| 11:16.53 | bibe | is there a bot to use apt-file? |
| 11:17.16 | bibe | Aronofsky : 'apt-file search avformat.h' returns libavformat-dev |
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| 11:17.33 | troyme | slug: try sh the .run file and u can find the kernel src in /lib/modules/ |
| 11:17.54 | troyme | slug:that kernel src file is compelete |
| 11:18.01 | trym | Is it possible to have two apache-perl packages installed.. but the second one with another name ? |
| 11:18.12 | trym | i need to run to seperate apache installations |
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| 11:18.19 | Aronofsky | bibe thx |
| 11:18.49 | slug | u mean /lib/modules/fglrx ? |
| 11:19.15 | slug | troyme: why is there a fglrx dir under /lib/modules??!! |
| 11:19.27 | Eclipser | wasn't there some command to create a directory tree, like mkdir first/second/third/fourth assuming that the first doesn't exist? |
| 11:19.34 | troyme | slug:yes ,from the run file |
| 11:19.35 | miki | hello, im very new user of debian. i just installed netinstall(111MB) debian on one of my hdd partitions and now im trying to set up internet connection.. i got driver package for linux, but debian shows that i dont have USB installed(and i got usb modem). is there anyone who can help me? |
| 11:19.37 | chaoulJ | where can i see the gnome mime<->application settings? |
| 11:19.45 | slug | troyme: okay |
| 11:20.15 | troyme | slug: cd fglrx/build_mod/ |
| 11:21.01 | slug | k |
| 11:21.28 | chaoulJ | Anyone? |
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| 11:21.39 | troyme | slug:run make.sh,you should install the kernel-header files for you kernel |
| 11:21.50 | x-x- | miki: `dmesg` shows anything when you plugin the modem? |
| 11:22.03 | Solid | thanx guys apache worked :D |
| 11:22.06 | vin` | Eclipser: -p |
| 11:22.37 | miki | x-x-: i didnt test yet |
| 11:22.38 | Eclipser | vin`, thanks, I just noticed it myself... misread it from the man pages at first.. |
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| 11:23.14 | miki | im trying to run installation program for my modem from cd(its script for linux) but it stops at checks saying that usb is not installed |
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| 11:24.18 | resiak | trym: You don't need more than one install of apache + apache-perl. What you need is more than one apache configuration, and more than one init script and so on. duplicate /etc/apache as /etc/apache-second (say), duplicate /etc/init.d/apache similarly and edit it for references to /etc/apache, and so on |
| 11:24.30 | slug | troyme: are kernel-headers 2.6.15-1-k7 okay "running Athlon" ? |
| 11:24.35 | x-x- | miki: that's no use for me; why don't you do what i said: plug the modem into a usb port and do `dmesg` |
| 11:24.47 | troyme | slug:yes |
| 11:25.41 | x-x- | miki: and if your modem came with an install script for linux, why not read the readme file for instructions? |
| 11:26.20 | miki | x-x-: ok, let me reboot and check this in debian.. brb 10min |
| 11:26.30 | slug | troyme: are linux-headers and kernel-headers the same? |
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| 11:26.51 | troyme | slug: linux-headers ,the same |
| 11:26.57 | slug | k |
| 11:27.12 | Solid | hey ive install php4 but in apache its not working |
| 11:27.33 | slug | troyme: okay downloading good i have fast connection :) 13 sec |
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| 11:27.53 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 11:27.53 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 11:27.55 | slug | troyme: okay installed them |
| 11:28.02 | iostream | Solid: You have to restart apache, if the script did not do it (I can't remember), also php has to be enabled in apache |
| 11:28.12 | vin` | slug: you need the headers for the kernel you're running. |
| 11:28.25 | troyme | slug:good, I install the kernel from debin,not compile myself,fglrx work well |
| 11:28.54 | vin` | slug: or the source |
| 11:29.11 | troyme | try make.sh in the /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod |
| 11:29.23 | troyme | slug:try make.sh in the /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod |
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| 11:29.56 | slug | vin: i have complied my own kernel , downloaded the 2.6.15 + patch then used the cK patchset |
| 11:30.28 | vin` | slug: then you don't need to get linux-headers |
| 11:30.42 | x-x- | you need a symlink from /usr/src/linux /your/kernel/sources |
| 11:30.43 | hatake_kakashi | anyone tried booting iso file off grub (XFS partition) and installing their debian from there? |
| 11:31.49 | slug | okay, after removing the kernel-headers i run ./make.sh and it compiled a module |
| 11:31.53 | slug | no errors |
| 11:31.56 | troyme | slug:i don't know whether the fglrx module will work on the kernel compiled youself |
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| 11:32.07 | troyme | slug:good |
| 11:32.15 | troyme | slug: cd .. |
| 11:32.29 | troyme | slug : make_install.sh |
| 11:33.07 | slug | opps, Module fglrx is in use.... |
| 11:33.13 | slug | dohh! |
| 11:33.24 | slug | need to unload module howto? |
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| 11:33.52 | hatake_kakashi | modprobe or rmmod |
| 11:34.15 | troyme | slug:i think you compile the module before for another version, kill X and unload it ,re modprobe fglrx |
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| 11:34.45 | vin` | modprobe -r |
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| 11:35.19 | slug | okay brb, ohh guess i have to restart my pc because it will freez :( |
| 11:35.25 | slug | brb about 2 min |
| 11:35.31 | Solid | can anyone tell me why apache php is not working? |
| 11:35.49 | Solid | ive installed all neccasry php libraries |
| 11:35.56 | shift | is there a way to copy system accounts from an old server to a new one? (i have about ~150 accounts and i don't know the passwords for them all) |
| 11:36.22 | j_m_k__ | need to know module-version of spc. driver. is there any flag to modprobe/lsmod? |
| 11:36.37 | vin` | j_m_k__: modinfo |
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| 11:37.21 | j_m_k__ | oh, nice. thanks |
| 11:37.46 | j_m_k__ | fighting with firmware for ipw2200-driver.. |
| 11:38.03 | vin` | !ipw2200 |
| 11:38.03 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 11:38.19 | chaoulJ | where can i see the gnome mime<->application settings? |
| 11:38.24 | rs-next | “Rs> hey everybody <Rs” |
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| 11:38.45 | j_m_k__ | yes, i have that working now. |
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| 11:39.08 | tziku | !tell tziku about httpd |
| 11:39.19 | tziku | !tell tziku about apache2 |
| 11:39.24 | j_m_k__ | with trial and error |
| 11:39.31 | j_m_k__ | method :) |
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| 11:40.15 | Solid | can anyone tell me how to enable php? for apache??? |
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| 11:41.03 | troyme | Solid: install the php mod for apache |
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| 11:41.59 | tziku | !tell tziku about iptraf |
| 11:42.02 | slug | okay i unloaded the module under init 2 with cmd modprobe fglrx -r and installed the new module under /lib/modules/fglrx/./make_install.sh |
| 11:42.02 | streuner | Solid: read /usr/share/doc/php4/ |
| 11:42.04 | Solid | you mean libapache2-mod-php? |
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| 11:42.12 | vin` | tziku: /msg dpkg ... |
| 11:42.23 | troyme | slug:modprobe fglrx |
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| 11:42.34 | tziku | vin` for ? |
| 11:42.39 | mikol | x-x-: dmesg shows alot of stuff |
| 11:42.41 | tziku | smart bot dpkg :D |
| 11:42.44 | Solid | ive read them thats wh im here |
| 11:42.54 | slug | nothing comes up |
| 11:43.00 | slug | no output msg |
| 11:43.10 | mikol | x-x-: including mouse and speedtch(wich is speedtech330 usb device im trying to insall) |
| 11:43.11 | vin` | that's goog. |
| 11:43.19 | vin` | s/og/od |
| 11:43.19 | odb_ | hello, is there a tool for getting mp3 tags recursive from folders, not from single mp3 songs ? |
| 11:43.59 | slug | i will try fglrxinfo, normaly it tells me the information but does not go back to promt so i have to kill the terminal, lets see..... |
| 11:44.04 | troyme | slug: when u run make_install.sh ,see anything ?? live the version of the module |
| 11:44.08 | resiak | !speedtouch |
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| 11:44.10 | resiak | :( |
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| 11:44.24 | mikol | x-x-: my install sccript shows this tho: USBUsage: lspci (switches) ((installation stops at this crap)) |
| 11:44.35 | troyme | slug:have u see the version of the fglrx module |
| 11:44.39 | x-x- | mikol: what i wanted you to do and look for is: boot debian, then plug the modem, and see the last few lines in dmesg |
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| 11:44.58 | slug | troyme: no cant recall it |
| 11:45.02 | mikol | x-x-; last line was speedtch |
| 11:45.17 | x-x- | mikol: ok, means it is detected |
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| 11:45.39 | zdennis | hey all, i'm upgrading from stable to sarge , and it's freaking out about efsprog2 and sysvinit when i do a dist-upgrade |
| 11:45.44 | troyme | slug:try fglrxconfig and restart X |
| 11:45.55 | zdennis | I'm just trying to figure out what I should do, move forward or stay stale |
| 11:45.56 | zdennis | *stable |
| 11:46.17 | slug | troyme: same thing happens if i type in fglrxinfo it shows me all information but just seems to hang on last line and does not go back to promt.... |
| 11:46.25 | x-x- | mikol: what model is the modem? |
| 11:46.32 | troyme | slug: i use Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" , chech u xorg.conf |
| 11:46.42 | mikol | x-x-: SpeedTech 330 |
| 11:46.49 | bibe | slug : take a look at the output of 'dmesg', you should see one or more kernel oops |
| 11:46.51 | mikol | x-x-: SpeedTouch 330*** |
| 11:46.52 | slug | OpenGL version string: 1.3.5519 (x4.3.0-8.20.8) |
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| 11:47.18 | troyme | slug:still don't work??? |
| 11:47.30 | slug | bibe: yes quite a few!! |
| 11:47.54 | troyme | slug:mine OpenGL version string: 2.0.5582 (8.21.7) |
| 11:47.54 | vin` | zdennis: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 11:48.07 | troyme | slug:installed just now when i chat with u |
| 11:48.16 | x-x- | mikol: http://christophe.delord.free.fr/fr/adsl/debian.html try thatand come back if you face something else |
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| 11:48.33 | mikol | x-x-: fine, checking |
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| 11:49.09 | zdennis | vin`: dpkg e2fsprogs loops says i need an action option |
| 11:49.10 | lukas_ | good morning |
| 11:49.14 | slug | bibe: where where can i post my dmesg output? |
| 11:49.19 | x-x- | you can get the script and .zip; ignore french if you don't know |
| 11:49.23 | slug | troyme: strange?? |
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| 11:49.40 | lukas_ | could someone please assist me with an x mouse problem? |
| 11:49.43 | troyme | slug:i thing u fglrx module should work ok |
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| 11:50.24 | vin` | !tell zdennis -about e2fsprogs loop |
| 11:50.26 | slug | troyme: it does i even could play quake if it would be installed, problem is that system freezes after i log out twm |
| 11:50.38 | x-x- | mikol: print this aswell: ttp://www.eglug.org/node/630 |
| 11:50.48 | x-x- | http://www.eglug.org/node/630 |
| 11:51.14 | troyme | slug:me too , especially on kdm start |
| 11:51.18 | slug | troyme: cant even enter new tty |
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| 11:51.25 | zdennis | vin`: i'll give that a shot, thx |
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| 11:51.45 | lukas_ | anyone? |
| 11:51.57 | jm_ | lukas_: /msg dpkg ask |
| 11:52.07 | mikol | x-x-: i got few other questions about linux, ie i ha windows xp with ntfs drive... i made partition on it and then i installed debian there(switched filesystem to ex2). now i dont see linux partition under windows and i dont know how to open windows partition under windows(ntfs/e2 ones). can i install from other parition, or do i need to copy files on fdd's ? |
| 11:52.20 | troyme | slug:see ,i think is the problem between xorg6.9 and fglrx-driver |
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| 11:52.24 | slug | vin`: can i post my dmesg outout so u can look at it? |
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| 11:52.47 | jm_ | mikol: use fsdext to read files on ext2/3 in Windows |
| 11:52.54 | vin` | slug: why me? |
| 11:53.00 | slug | sorry wrong user |
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| 11:53.01 | jm_ | fsdext2 that is |
| 11:53.01 | troyme | slug:it don't happen before when i using xorg6.8 |
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| 11:53.18 | zdennis | vin`: i got a question, i changed source.list back to stable and did apt-get update. When I go to do apt-get upgrade, i still get same error. Should i force over it ? |
| 11:53.35 | slug | troyme: yes workt fine before i upgraded to xorg 2.6.9 |
| 11:53.40 | mikol | fine, checking |
| 11:53.40 | x-x- | mikol: there's also fsexplorer, allows you to read from ext2/ext3, can't remember if it can write |
| 11:53.41 | vin` | zdennis: you changed from what to stable? |
| 11:53.50 | Bulgarian | hi all |
| 11:53.55 | zdennis | vin`: from "testing" to "stable" |
| 11:53.58 | zdennis | in my sources.list |
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| 11:54.13 | vin` | zdennis: that isn't supported, testing is ahead of stable. |
| 11:54.21 | troyme | slug:best way is too downgrade the xorg |
| 11:54.28 | troyme | slug: i thing :) |
| 11:54.45 | stoned | you can't go from testing to stable can you? |
| 11:54.48 | stoned | without reinstalling? |
| 11:54.49 | zdennis | heh, vin`i know. I was trying to upgrade to testing, but i had issue with e2fsprog, and you sent me that note, in the note, it said that i should go bac to stable get upgrades, then go back to testing and try to dist-upgrade |
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| 11:54.57 | slug | troyme: xorg 6.8 all workt fine, but i did not use the installer i followed a user guide from flavio.stanchina |
| 11:54.57 | lukas_ | my built-in laptop-mouse has suddenly been inverted. down is up and vice-versa. can anybody tell me where i can find settings for my mouse? |
| 11:55.11 | x-x- | lukas_: x conf |
| 11:55.32 | x-x- | xorg: xorg.conf |
| 11:55.37 | slug | bibe: where can i post my dmesg output so u can have a look at it? |
| 11:55.43 | troyme | slug: i thing the are the same way |
| 11:55.48 | stoned | pastebin.com |
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| 11:56.08 | slug | troyme: try fglrxinfo and see if u can still log out... |
| 11:56.15 | vin` | zdennis: did you run upgrade? |
| 11:56.17 | slug | troyme: or glxgears |
| 11:56.24 | zdennis | vin`: yes |
| 11:56.30 | troyme | slug:i try |
| 11:56.34 | zdennis | vin`: but it isn't upgradng cause of issue with e2fsprogs |
| 11:56.48 | zdennis | vin`: and I'm afraid to type "Yes, do as I say" to apt |
| 11:57.09 | vin` | zdennis: haven't really faced this problem, but I've heard that worked. YMMV |
| 11:57.11 | jm_ | apt, we have someone that's scared |
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| 11:57.29 | zdennis | vin`: heh |
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| 11:57.36 | lukas_ | which options in xorgconf concerns the direction of the mouse pad? |
| 11:57.40 | troyme | slug: seemed more often in 2.6.15 and less in 2.6.14 |
| 11:57.42 | zdennis | jm_ yeah i'll admit it, apt isn't always that friednly |
| 11:57.58 | slug | troyme: hmm damn ! :) |
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| 11:58.03 | x-x- | lukas_: mouse |
| 11:58.10 | zdennis | here i go |
| 11:58.13 | x-x- | section mouse |
| 11:58.23 | zdennis | i'm going to be screwed i know it |
| 11:58.28 | slug | bibe: u still there? |
| 11:58.29 | troyme | slug: i using 2.6.14 now ,because often freeze in 2.6.15 |
| 11:58.35 | vin` | zdennis: aren't you already? ;) |
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| 11:58.50 | x-x- | lukas_: you should google your pad's name for the settings/parameters |
| 11:59.06 | engelsen | nick #emergo |
| 11:59.11 | zdennis | vin`: heh, yeah. Sometimes I wish upgrades were pain, more pleasure |
| 11:59.13 | engelsen | nick #emergo |
| 11:59.16 | engelsen | nick emergo |
| 11:59.27 | zdennis | vin`: i have never had a good upgrade experience on any machine with good ol' dbby |
| 11:59.28 | slug | troyme i will try to downgrade to xorg 6.8 and install the drivers from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 11:59.34 | emergo | I have a printer that used to work. but now I get "Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device" |
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| 11:59.46 | slug | always work perfect with xorg 6.9 |
| 11:59.46 | zdennis | vin`: it's like she wants to give the "Rite Of Passage" to every person passing through from woody to sarge |
| 11:59.47 | boguh | hi, when i try to open ssh connection with -X, i cant start programmes like firefox. i always get the error "cannot open display" |
| 11:59.47 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 11:59.52 | zdennis | and then onward to sid |
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| 11:59.59 | slug | opps i mean of course 6.8 |
| 12:00.04 | x-x- | boguh: edit your sshd conf |
| 12:00.23 | troyme | slug:good luck , by the way , how to show fps in quake? |
| 12:00.27 | slug | troyme: dont really think its the kernel |
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| 12:00.39 | jm_ | boguh: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 12:00.41 | x-x- | boguh: /etc/ssh/sshd_conf and enable x forarding; restart sshd |
| 12:00.47 | zdennis | boguh, make sure you're forwarding X11Forwarding yes and not no |
| 12:01.00 | x-x- | *forwarding |
| 12:01.11 | slug | troyme go to /home/user/./qa3 and open the q3config there u see all settings |
| 12:01.14 | troyme | slug:the most proble is fglrx, so worse than nvidia's card driver |
| 12:01.25 | troyme | slug:thanks |
| 12:01.32 | zdennis | only 47% until i have a few hours of hell...gosh i hate when that number gets closer to 100% |
| 12:01.33 | slug | troyme: i have over 280 fps in quake |
| 12:01.35 | slug | :) |
| 12:01.50 | troyme | slug:wo~~,try mine |
| 12:02.00 | zdennis | slug: are you one man, or many people... s.l.u.g. SLUG ? |
| 12:02.08 | slug | troyme: but u have to tell quake that it should use maxfps with cmd com_maxfps 0 |
| 12:02.17 | slug | sorry /com_maxfps 0 |
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| 12:02.54 | slug | and i think to show up fps its /cg_showfps but i am not shure u can see all commands under the q3config file |
| 12:02.56 | troyme | slug:see |
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| 12:04.02 | slug | zdennis: one but there a bunch of people using same internet line |
| 12:04.17 | dimir | snow: Labas dienas! |
| 12:04.31 | snow | hey guys, it's -27 C in my country now, and the server is outisde in the balcony :) how could I check the temperature of it, and what is the optimal temperature |
| 12:04.34 | snow | hello dimir! :) |
| 12:04.53 | jm_ | wherever you are, make sure this cold doesn't rech me |
| 12:04.58 | jm_ | reach* |
| 12:05.01 | snow | :DDDDD |
| 12:05.09 | zdennis | darnit |
| 12:05.11 | snow | there are no traffic jams |
| 12:05.14 | snow | here today |
| 12:05.19 | zdennis | 99% and apt has got to freaking screw me up and down |
| 12:05.22 | snow | because all the cars couldn't start |
| 12:05.26 | wireddd | what version of kde is in the testing repository? |
| 12:05.28 | jm_ | hehe |
| 12:05.32 | snow | I've started the car somehow |
| 12:05.32 | snow | ;] |
| 12:05.35 | snow | my car ;]] |
| 12:05.35 | dimir | jm_: lol |
| 12:05.47 | snow | but the transmission because of cold didin't worked |
| 12:05.48 | snow | ;]]] |
| 12:05.54 | slug | zdennis: is there a chance that u russian? |
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| 12:05.59 | zdennis | 'update-rc.d' not found on PATH |
| 12:06.01 | zdennis | wtf |
| 12:06.08 | zdennis | slug, no |
| 12:06.12 | jm_ | zdennis: become root properly |
| 12:06.13 | slug | zdennis: ok |
| 12:06.14 | snow | so how could I check the temperature? |
| 12:06.15 | snow | ;] |
| 12:06.19 | snow | and what is normal temperature? |
| 12:06.27 | dimir | slug: try me! |
| 12:06.27 | jm_ | snow: sensors |
| 12:06.31 | zdennis | jm_, i am root, i phsycailly logged in as root, no su, or sudo going on |
| 12:06.38 | zdennis | jm_: any suggestions? |
| 12:06.56 | jm_ | zdennis: do you have the command available now? |
| 12:06.59 | snow | jm_: how could I install it? |
| 12:07.04 | slug | dimir: how can i post my dmesg ?? :) |
| 12:07.08 | snow | what is the package name |
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| 12:07.12 | snow | !tell me about sensors |
| 12:07.12 | jm_ | snow: you need kernel support first |
| 12:07.20 | snow | hmmmz |
| 12:07.22 | jm_ | lm-sensors |
| 12:07.34 | snow | if I haven't? |
| 12:07.36 | zdennis | jm_ no i do not see it in my path |
| 12:07.36 | dimir | slug: pastebin.com |
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| 12:07.45 | slug | dimir: thank u |
| 12:07.46 | jm_ | zdennis: dpkg -S update-rc.d |
| 12:07.46 | snow | !tell me about lm-sensors |
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| 12:07.51 | dimir | slug: np :-) |
| 12:07.55 | nudenurd | I've got a couple of drives that used to be in a raid, but I forgot what the settings were. is there a way I can 'autodetect' them? |
| 12:08.36 | zdennis | jm_ , it says *update-rc.d* not found |
| 12:08.57 | jm_ | zdennis: that means some dependencies are fucked - try installing sysv-rc first |
| 12:09.02 | slug | dohh! how do i copy text out of vi? |
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| 12:09.25 | slug | or what editor can i use only using twm |
| 12:09.32 | lazzer | what shoud i install to get the manpage for scanf()? |
| 12:09.38 | emergo | I have a printer that used to work. but now I get "Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device" -> debian |
| 12:09.46 | jm_ | manpages-dev |
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| 12:11.09 | zdennis | I am smarter then apt! ah, apt can suck it |
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| 12:11.24 | zdennis | well...i'm not really |
| 12:11.32 | zdennis | but with jm_ in here I feeling like i am =) |
| 12:11.50 | slug | KERNEL BUG AT MM/SWAP.C:49! |
| 12:12.02 | slug | wt... |
| 12:12.12 | zdennis | I am very thankful i have multiple debian machies |
| 12:12.22 | zdennis | so i can copy stuff over when apt tries to screw me |
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| 12:12.52 | slug | can i output a dmesg to a file? |
| 12:12.55 | d0uglas | so waddaya use for that? ftp, samba, nfs ... |
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| 12:13.03 | jm_ | slug: you have my permission! |
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| 12:13.34 | vorsprung | hmm |
| 12:13.44 | slug | jm_ problem is that i cant copy from terminal there is no copy funktion |
| 12:13.45 | x-x- | dmesg >> file |
| 12:13.46 | slug | :( |
| 12:14.05 | d0uglas | ymodem, yo |
| 12:14.07 | jm_ | slug: you don't know how to cpy & paste in X? |
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| 12:14.55 | slug | jm_: normally do this with right click copy or Strg+c |
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| 12:15.34 | jm_ | slug: no, it's middle click to paste things |
| 12:15.52 | x-x- | select to copy |
| 12:15.53 | zdennis | any fluxbox users in here ? |
| 12:15.57 | x-x- | middle to paste |
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| 12:16.32 | d0uglas | not when ttyin' with gpm |
| 12:17.06 | zdennis | ok, i have a dumb question, i always get confused |
| 12:17.27 | streuner | zdennis: are you using debian? |
| 12:17.28 | zdennis | woody=>stable ? testing=>sarge ? unstable=>sid? |
| 12:17.41 | L0g0ff | sarge=stable now |
| 12:17.43 | d0uglas | etch yo, etch. |
| 12:17.43 | ben | sarge is stable |
| 12:17.44 | zdennis | streuner: I"m on a Ubuntu box typing, because I"m upgrading my Debian box |
| 12:17.52 | ben | etch = testing |
| 12:18.05 | zdennis | ah, etch |
| 12:18.11 | d0uglas | yeah .. etch |
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| 12:18.35 | zdennis | so, sid is unstable then, aye? |
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| 12:18.42 | ben | sid is always unstable |
| 12:18.53 | zdennis | ah |
| 12:18.59 | ben | etch will eventually become the next stable release |
| 12:19.05 | slug | okay here it is http://pastebin.com/512833 |
| 12:19.10 | d0uglas | was there a toy story sid character who had mood disorder issues? |
| 12:19.11 | L0g0ff | you dont have to use the toy stroy name... you can use stable/testing/unstable as well |
| 12:19.50 | ben | sid was the boy next door who destroyed toys |
| 12:19.56 | CaT[tm] | do0glas: he was t- yeah |
| 12:19.59 | L0g0ff | (in your sources.list) |
| 12:20.17 | d0uglas | who's etch then |
| 12:20.23 | L0g0ff | etch a scratch |
| 12:20.25 | jm_ | slug: that indicates something triggered a bug in kernel, that something is fglrxinfo, which means it's probably related to your external kernel module |
| 12:20.32 | ben | etchesketch |
| 12:20.35 | d0uglas | etch a sketch? |
| 12:20.37 | ben | or something like that |
| 12:20.45 | L0g0ff | the drawing board |
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| 12:21.50 | d0uglas | when you shake those to erase and it makes that sand swishing sound .. is that real sand in there or synthetic sand |
| 12:21.55 | slug | jm_: yes i have fglrxinfo running, but its stuck at last line no promt, cant even shut the terminal it running in |
| 12:22.00 | ben | lol, i dont remember |
| 12:22.15 | zdennis | i dont know if it's a good idea to listen to '45' by shinedown when fearfully upgrading your box |
| 12:22.34 | jm_ | slug: that's because it triggered a kernel bug, it's stuck now |
| 12:22.40 | slug | jm_: same happens with glxgears and quake all run fine but if i try to end them it gest stuck |
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| 12:23.02 | ben | zdennis, what are you upgrading sarge to? |
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| 12:23.46 | slug | jm_: strange i run the same kernel with xorg 6.8 and used the howto from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html and all went perfect |
| 12:24.00 | jm_ | slug: so stick to that then |
| 12:24.31 | zdennis | it sysinitv won't install, should i not reboot? |
| 12:24.33 | slug | jm_: yes but dont like to downgrade, want to know how to solve this :) |
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| 12:24.56 | jm_ | slug: find out if there's a way to report bugs to people responsible for it |
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| 12:25.44 | slug | jm_: u mean ati, they just would tell me that they dont official support ati linux driver |
| 12:25.51 | slug | :/ |
| 12:25.58 | jm_ | slug: so don't buy their products |
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| 12:26.14 | slug | jm_: radeon rule but under linux they suck |
| 12:26.15 | slug | :) |
| 12:27.01 | emergo | I have a printer that used to work. but now I get "Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device" -> debian |
| 12:27.15 | slug | jm_: i think i will have to downgrade to xorg 6.8 then, u know if i can use the newest libc6 version with older xorg versions or is this not related? |
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| 12:27.26 | jm_ | slug: no idea |
| 12:27.46 | slug | its only because i was planing to use the rm17 on x |
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| 12:28.53 | slug | and it seems it needs the sid version of libc6, i tryed to install rm17 on stable debian but always got the error that i need a different/newer libc6 version |
| 12:28.56 | slug | ? |
| 12:29.10 | ben | are there any open source video card drivers that actually have good 3d acceleration? |
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| 12:29.31 | ben | comparable to the nvidia or ati ones |
| 12:29.40 | Shadur | Nope. |
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| 12:29.58 | slug | ben: for radeon "ONLY IF U ARE USING < XORG 6.8 http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 12:30.23 | slug | ben: over 280 fps in quake 3 |
| 12:30.30 | slug | radeon 9800 pro |
| 12:30.36 | zdennis | is 280fps in quake good? |
| 12:30.40 | ben | i have the nvidia driver installed, i was just wondering if there was an alternative |
| 12:30.41 | slug | dunno |
| 12:30.44 | slug | i guess |
| 12:30.47 | slug | :) |
| 12:30.53 | Shadur | In quake3? Maybe. It's pretty damn old, after all. |
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| 12:31.06 | slug | ben: no i would stick to nvidia if u are using linux |
| 12:31.15 | KerPlunk | What is a good program like Quickbooks/Sage/Quicken that I can apt-get install? |
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| 12:31.28 | Shadur | You could get a decent framerate out of a matrox milennium in Q3. |
| 12:31.42 | zdennis | KerPlunk... apt-get install openoffice.org2 ? |
| 12:31.43 | ben | i've had good luck with nividia cards and linux |
| 12:31.47 | ben | never tried ati |
| 12:31.50 | zdennis | they have nice spreadsheets =) |
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| 12:32.10 | KerPlunk | zdennis, You must never have used any of these programs...openoffice isn't much hel. |
| 12:32.16 | slug | ben: i was using windooz before, only noticed the problems after switching to linux |
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| 12:32.49 | slug | ben: also under linux i never really had problems with radeon only since newest after i upgraded to xorg 6.9 |
| 12:32.59 | zdennis | KerPlunk, i haven't, although our Finance Dept. always has issues with Quickbooks, and you have to go through 23 levels and 48 states of support to get the stuff fixed |
| 12:33.09 | zdennis | I know, becaues I get stuck sitting in on those phone calls |
| 12:33.16 | zdennis | i'm the morale support! |
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| 12:34.16 | miki | x-x-: now it says |
| 12:34.31 | miki | x-x-: now it says that it wont see floppy |
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| 12:35.27 | ArtVandalae | Hi, not sure whether this is the right channel. But can I "mount" my nix home directory (on a debian machine in the garage) onto my Windows XP Pro machine? |
| 12:35.41 | zdennis | ArtVandalae: yes |
| 12:35.48 | zdennis | ArtVandalae: samba! |
| 12:37.14 | zdennis | anyone have a good sources.list file i could use to upgrade to testing? I get 404 up the wahoo when I try to hit anything 'testing' |
| 12:38.10 | petemc | zdennis: apt-setup |
| 12:39.14 | zdennis | thx petemc |
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| 12:42.44 | juice` | i've installed debian/etch from debootstrap (remote), and when i run 'man' or 'less' or something similar, i can't use pgup/pgdown to scroll the screen, any ideas why? in what package i can control it? i'm using ssh + putty to connect to server, and i have got no such problems before on any host... |
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| 12:43.48 | Coweater | juice`: install less |
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| 12:47.42 | zdennis | i love it when things work out and you don't plan them to! |
| 12:48.02 | L0g0ff | is there a good tutorial to customize the debian installer kernel? I have a nforce4 chipset and the default debian kernel would not reconize my sata disks :( |
| 12:48.17 | jm_ | L0g0ff: did you boot with 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:48.22 | tarzeau | L0g0ff: just do it |
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| 12:48.29 | L0g0ff | yes i do |
| 12:48.39 | tarzeau | L0g0ff: it's easy. especially if you can netboot |
| 12:48.58 | jm_ | are you saying 2.6.8 doesn't work with nforce4? |
| 12:49.02 | L0g0ff | easy ? |
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| 12:49.33 | L0g0ff | no i say the 2.6.8 installer kernel don work |
| 12:49.44 | jm_ | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 12:49.44 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 12:49.50 | jm_ | use that instead |
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| 12:50.30 | jm_ | then I might have not tried 2.6.8 on my new machine ;) |
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| 12:51.22 | L0g0ff | ok i'll try it tonight |
| 12:51.44 | L0g0ff | !sarge |
| 12:51.44 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 12:52.05 | L0g0ff | !debian |
| 12:52.05 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 12:52.14 | jm_ | please msg the bot |
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| 12:52.36 | L0g0ff | msg dpkg !debian |
| 12:52.44 | jm_ | no, /msg dpkg debian |
| 12:52.49 | rambo3 | in priv |
| 12:52.59 | L0g0ff | ok |
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| 12:54.19 | coolpix | oi |
| 12:54.47 | orcaur | oi) |
| 12:54.50 | orcaur | ? |
| 12:55.13 | orcaur | keegi siin Eestit ka räägib :P |
| 12:55.42 | orcaur | I guess not |
| 12:56.02 | orcaur | I need help and a lot |
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| 12:56.54 | orcaur | how can I get x graphics? |
| 12:57.03 | slug | how do install xorg only with out gnome or kde apt-get install xorg? |
| 12:57.13 | L0g0ff | aot-get install kde-core |
| 12:57.29 | orcaur | thnx :D |
| 12:57.35 | L0g0ff | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 12:58.06 | slug | i whant to make a net install just from sid repositories without x then and add x from stable, will this work? |
| 12:58.08 | orcaur | what is that? |
| 12:58.17 | orcaur | I think I try kde-d this time |
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| 12:58.27 | zdennis | slug, that should work, a coworker had sameproblem you're having |
| 12:58.32 | zdennis | and he is running stable x.org |
| 12:58.54 | rambo3 | can someone tell me how bootmess.txt for lilo should look like |
| 12:59.01 | slug | zdennis: do u by any chance know what the libc6 is for? |
| 12:59.27 | slug | zdennis: is libc6 part of X? |
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| 12:59.54 | zdennis | it's not apart of X, it's a dependency I do believe |
| 13:00.08 | zdennis | slug, http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ |
| 13:00.15 | dimir | Heh, "only" 185 entries in banstat. :-) |
| 13:00.22 | zdennis | the first sentence explains it all |
| 13:00.31 | zdennis | it defines all of the library and system calls |
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| 13:03.00 | slug | zdennis: cool, will have a look, my plan now is to make clean install from sid without X, compile the newest kernel version patch it with cK then add repositories from stable and apt-get xorg 6.8,and use http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html for the fglrx drivers |
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| 13:03.26 | slug | i will report the situation here after doing this |
| 13:03.45 | zdennis | slug, what type of card is fglrx ? |
| 13:03.57 | slug | zdennis: radeon |
| 13:04.08 | zdennis | if my coworker/friend gets in before i leave and you're still around I'll tell him to sign on |
| 13:04.23 | zdennis | if you dont have it working by then |
| 13:04.41 | zdennis | he may be here in 5 minutes or 5 hours, hard to say |
| 13:04.41 | dusty- | Hey guys I have a really odd problem. I am running Debian 3.1 R1. Using gnome up untill now it has worked flawleslsly, now when i login to gnome, i have a black cross mouse pointer stuck in the middle which appears over the top of my apps but then i have the normal mouse pointer (which moves) how can i make the black cross one disappear, i can take a screenshot if anyone wants to see? |
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| 13:05.04 | slug | i will be back in about two hours, maybe i have everthing working then :) if not how is ur friend called? |
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| 13:05.39 | zdennis | slug, i dont know. He hardly ever signs on to irc, i talk to him because he sits about 6 ft away |
| 13:05.52 | zdennis | i wish i could give better info! |
| 13:06.12 | slug | zdennis: np, guess u are not using a radeon |
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| 13:07.17 | slug | cya in two hours, hope all will work then :) |
| 13:07.22 | yalu | I got no idea what the problem may be |
| 13:07.40 | zdennis | slug, i've got nvidia, but my coworker has ATI. He just got a brand new system like 2 weeks ago and I know he's had to really figure out some of the issues. I know he warned me not to go to the latest x.org |
| 13:07.51 | yalu | I compiled a new kernel yesterday, but I'm having the exact same problem with an older kernel, with a 2.4 kernel,... |
| 13:08.16 | rambo3 | can someone tell me how bootmess.txt for lilo should look like . when i run lilo it reports that bootmess.txt is missing |
| 13:08.27 | jm_ | yalu: one can limit number of available PTY-s in kernel config |
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| 13:08.39 | zdennis | good luck slug |
| 13:09.02 | yalu | jm_: how does that explain the fact I am having the same problem with different kernels? |
| 13:09.27 | jm_ | yalu: they're both fucked up? |
| 13:09.31 | yalu | the number is 256 btw |
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| 13:10.04 | dmitry_ | hi |
| 13:10.10 | orcaur | msg/zdennis hej |
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| 13:10.14 | yalu | jm_: yes. an odler 2.6.8 kernel, my currect 2.6.13 kernel, an older build of 2.6.13 and even 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 13:10.17 | jm_ | yalu: but that's only for old programs, new ones use devpts |
| 13:10.18 | zdennis | hello orcaur |
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| 13:11.01 | dmitry_ | is anybody using ubuntu? |
| 13:11.09 | orcaur | I installed kde-core, but startx doesnt work |
| 13:11.10 | zdennis | dmitry_: me |
| 13:11.14 | jm_ | yalu: try to strace it, but there may be issues if it has suid bit set |
| 13:11.16 | harm1988 | in a phpbb forum, where are the passwords located |
| 13:11.21 | orcaur | do I miss xorg or? |
| 13:11.27 | zdennis | dmitry_: i've got two ubuntus and two deb boxes right here |
| 13:11.33 | yalu | jm_: strace what? |
| 13:11.47 | juice` | Coweater: thank you, that worked |
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| 13:12.10 | dmitry_ | can i launch skype on ubuntu? |
| 13:12.15 | zdennis | orcaur: most likely not, since kde-core will install it i believe. do you have anything set in your .xinitrc file ? Like a line that says "startkde "? |
| 13:12.28 | jm_ | yalu: well let's apply some logic - screen fails, xterm fails, so let's strace samba - does that make sense? |
| 13:12.31 | zdennis | dmitry_: i dont know, i'm not a skype user |
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| 13:12.56 | harm1988 | where are the passwords located in a phpbb forum? |
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| 13:13.20 | orjan | orcaur: /msg dpkg setup x |
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| 13:14.51 | yalu | jm_: I tried stracing screen... but the output is chinese to me |
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| 13:15.13 | jm_ | yalu: paste it on some paste site |
| 13:15.26 | jm_ | yalu: btw, do you have devpts mounted? |
| 13:16.32 | EatStatic | good afternoon people |
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| 13:17.50 | dusty- | Hey guys I have a really odd problem. I am running Debian 3.1 R1. Using gnome up untill now it has worked flawleslsly, now when i login to gnome, i have a black cross mouse pointer stuck in the middle which appears over the top of my apps but then i have the normal mouse pointer (which moves) how can i make the black cross one disappear, i can take a screenshot if anyone wants to see? |
| 13:18.28 | Prudhvi | dusty-, screenshot |
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| 13:18.36 | EatStatic | dusty please do, that is a new one on me. |
| 13:19.13 | jm_ | might be from two input devices in X config, or it might not |
| 13:19.18 | yalu | erm... no. apparently not. |
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| 13:19.31 | jm_ | yalu: mount it ... |
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| 13:19.55 | JJK | dusty-, maybe you could post /etc/X11/xorg.conf to pastebin. |
| 13:19.56 | EatStatic | jm_: I cannot see how that would be. |
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| 13:20.12 | dusty- | erm |
| 13:20.14 | EatStatic | hiya there kaiser not at university today? |
| 13:20.27 | wam | dusty-: I have the same on my notebook. There I have 2 input devices. But I was always too lazy to check that out ;) But the cross goes away after some time... |
| 13:20.44 | dusty- | wam |
| 13:20.45 | dusty- | hrmm |
| 13:21.00 | dusty- | wam, how do i take the two input devices out, that seems like a reasonable suggestion? |
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| 13:21.16 | wam | dusty-: edit the configfile ;) |
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| 13:21.35 | Kian|worK | hi |
| 13:21.45 | Petaris | Anyone know when thunderbird 1.5 might be avaliable via apt? |
| 13:21.58 | Kian|worK | i've got a little problem : i'm trying to install Debian on a cobalt Raq 4 and i have problemes netbooting |
| 13:22.16 | wam | dusty-: but as some suggested, it would be better if you could paste your config to pastebin. |
| 13:22.25 | JJK | Petaris, in a couple of days, maybe 2 weeks, I guess |
| 13:22.35 | Kian|worK | anybody could help me ? |
| 13:22.45 | Petaris | JJK: Alright, thanks |
| 13:22.51 | JJK | Petaris, but you might install it using the upstream packages, but that's not recommenden |
| 13:22.52 | bibe | Petaris : even the thunderbird package maintainers doesn't know that, I guess... ;) |
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| 13:23.08 | SlayerXP | Kian|worK: no-one can help you. not until you explain exactly what the problem is, anyway. |
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| 13:23.15 | orcaur | zdennis: xinitrc has line for Xsession |
| 13:23.29 | Petaris | bibe: I know the official release has been out fore a week or so |
| 13:24.05 | Cope | Kian|worK: what have you done? what did you expect? how does what happens differ from what you expect? where is the debug output? |
| 13:24.06 | Kian|worK | SlayerXP: sorry, was searching for a pastebin and now i have one :) |
| 13:24.13 | Kian|worK | here is my problem : |
| 13:24.15 | Kian|worK | http://pastebin.ca/37409 |
| 13:24.21 | pabs3 | Petaris: http://bugs.debian.org/348007 |
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| 13:24.28 | JJK | Petaris, I've the same problem: I want to know when the php5-mysqli and php5.1.1 with PDO support is released. |
| 13:24.47 | jm_ | klan;kernel bug |
| 13:24.48 | SlayerXP | Kian|worK: looks like you're booting a kernel that's incompatible with your processor |
| 13:24.55 | JJK | Can't find it anywhere. |
| 13:24.57 | jm_ | Kian|worK: that's a bug in kernel |
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| 13:25.08 | Kian|worK | ok, thanks, i'll try to check this out |
| 13:25.21 | jm_ | check if there's a newer kernel available |
| 13:25.24 | Cope | Kian|worK: what install image are you using? |
| 13:25.38 | yalu | jm_: under Debian, I thought some init script was responsible for mounting that sort of virtual file systems, not fstab... do you accidentally know which one? |
| 13:25.43 | Petaris | JJK: I thought php 5 was avaliable |
| 13:26.06 | jm_ | yalu: yes, grep will find it very fast |
| 13:26.27 | Petaris | JJK: I see php5-mysql in apt now |
| 13:26.40 | Petaris | JJK: But not the php5.1.1 |
| 13:26.47 | JJK | Petaris, yes, it is in sid (and maybe etch), but I'm talking about the php5-mysqli extension, and the in 5.1.1 built-in PDO support, which is not in the debian 5.1.1 |
| 13:26.55 | yalu | jm_: tried that. but maybe some file got accidentally deleted or maybe I had some filesystem corruption or something like that |
| 13:27.02 | Kian|worK | Cope: this one -> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-mipsel/current/images/cobalt/nfsroot.tar.gz |
| 13:27.03 | JJK | Petaris, mysql Improved << |
| 13:27.07 | jm_ | yalu: what did you grep for? |
| 13:27.13 | Petaris | JJK: Ahh, ok |
| 13:27.19 | Kian|worK | I'm using this tutorial : http://www.cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/sarge.html |
| 13:28.06 | yalu | jm_: -i pts |
| 13:28.11 | jm_ | yalu: where? |
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| 13:28.21 | yalu | /etc/init.d off course |
| 13:28.26 | jm_ | are you using Sarge? |
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| 13:28.59 | HelmutG | Hi. When booting knoppix it somehow uses ioapic for interrupt routing. Is there a method to enable this for a normal sarge kernel like 2.6.8-2-686? |
| 13:29.07 | yalu | yep... some packages are etch but they have been for some time |
| 13:29.11 | jm_ | /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs |
| 13:29.27 | jm_ | HelmutG: check kernel config and see if the option is enabled or not |
| 13:29.32 | dusty- | DOes anyone run an updated version of gnome, preferably the latest gnome 2.12 on debian? |
| 13:29.51 | yalu | jm_: all right. that file does not exist on my system |
| 13:29.55 | HelmutG | jm_: Is the option named CONFIG_X86_UP_IOAPIC? |
| 13:30.19 | jm_ | HelmutG: yup |
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| 13:30.24 | HelmutG | jm_: Then it is enabled. |
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| 13:30.40 | jm_ | HelmutG: right |
| 13:30.58 | Kian|worK | does anybody know precisely what image should i use to netboot my COBALT RaQ 4 to install Sarge on it ? |
| 13:31.06 | yalu | so I'll just reinstall the package |
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| 13:31.40 | ben_ | whats the program I use to test my HD speed after hdparm changes again? |
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| 13:31.48 | jm_ | bonnie++ |
| 13:31.50 | orcaur | how can I conf x, if I just installed kde-core? |
| 13:31.52 | jm_ | or simply dd |
| 13:32.04 | HelmutG | jm_: Hmm. Perhaps it really is enabled and only looks different because of diferent versions. The problem I really have is that modprobing sata_nv on debian causes timeouts whereas a knoppix 3.8 does work. |
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| 13:32.23 | jm_ | HelmutG: knoppix 3.8 has 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 13:32.32 | HelmutG | jm_: I don't think so. |
| 13:32.40 | jm_ | HelmutG: so that may be one reason why it works |
| 13:32.52 | jm_ | I know 4.0.2 has 2.6.12 |
| 13:32.54 | zamaliphe | hi |
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| 13:33.17 | HelmutG | jm_: So I'll have to compile my own kernel or use some from etch? |
| 13:33.17 | ben_ | ty |
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| 13:33.31 | Kian|worK | is there a channel who would better know about Debian on a Cobalt please ? ^^ |
| 13:33.36 | jm_ | HelmutG: I have used 2.6.14 from Sarge 2.6.14 installation CD with success, now I use self-compiled 2.6.15 kernel |
| 13:33.43 | jm_ | HelmutG: there's 2.6.14 in backports |
| 13:33.49 | zamaliphe | is ther is away to bild adibian backeg from the surce cod |
| 13:33.57 | tarzeau | Kian|worK: mips? |
| 13:34.03 | HelmutG | jm_: thanks. I'll try later and I'll figure out what knoppix really uses. |
| 13:34.12 | jm_ | Kian|worK: I think one of the Debian developers blogged about Cobalts lately, maybe try to find his blog |
| 13:34.22 | orcaur | how can I conf x, if I just installed kde-core? |
| 13:34.33 | Cope | Kian|worK: sorry, I know its frustrating - I've also failed to get debian on MIPS machines; you might want to check which processer you have, the 12000s don't work with the linux kernel |
| 13:34.39 | jm_ | !drxx orcaur |
| 13:34.39 | dpkg | orcaur: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:34.43 | HelmutG | jm_: Do think the problem might be related to knoppix uses sata_nv built in the kernel where as debian has a module? |
| 13:34.51 | jm_ | HelmutG: no |
| 13:34.53 | Cope | Kian|worK: which leaves you with netbsd or openbsd |
| 13:35.08 | HelmutG | jm_: thanks. I'll be back when I arise new problems. |
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| 13:35.49 | hipodilski | Hi there how can I prevent single package from being upgraded during apt-get upgrade operation? |
| 13:36.01 | jm_ | !tell hipodilski -about hold |
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| 13:37.53 | Kian|worK | Cope: here is my Cobalt's CPU : CPU 0: AuthenticAMD 448MHz (4.5 x 100MHz host bus) [BSP] |
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| 13:41.03 | Kian|worK | Coke: NetBSD is not a solution, I want to use the Cobalts I have for a Xen architecture |
| 13:41.08 | yalu | jm_: thanks for your help. I got things running smoothly again. |
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| 13:41.36 | tulioanjos | yalu: |
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| 13:44.59 | hipodilski | armageddon:~# echo kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 hold | dpkg --set selections |
| 13:44.59 | hipodilski | dpkg: unknown option --set |
| 13:45.16 | hipodilski | jm_: what I am doing wrong? |
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| 13:45.57 | jm_ | hipodilski: you didn't read it carefully enough |
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| 13:46.11 | jm_ | actually you did, but someone screwed up the factoid |
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| 13:46.31 | hipodilski | jm_: there is error in what the bot told me |
| 13:46.31 | hipodilski | To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set selections' |
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| 13:46.55 | jm_ | hipodilski: /msg dpkg hold |
| 13:46.57 | jm_ | I fixed it |
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| 13:47.02 | hipodilski | did it thanks;] |
| 13:47.02 | hipodilski | armageddon:~# echo kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 13:47.02 | hipodilski | armageddon:~# |
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| 13:49.52 | orcaur | dpkg I tried to reconfigure, but it says I dont have xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
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| 13:51.17 | Cope | Kian|worK: xen works fine on netbsd, fwiw |
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| 13:52.00 | Cope | Kian|worK: if you want to use debian, be my guest - you won't find me complaining, but if you can't get linux running on your machine, you will be able to get netbsd, which is a useful alternative. |
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| 13:52.14 | Kian|worK | Cope: ok thanks, but the whole network architecture is Debian so that would be messy. The Cobalt is supposed to be a frontal server with Xen and having the Xen image on a filer with gigabit NFS |
| 13:52.42 | Cope | Kian|worK: yeah sure - I understand. |
| 13:52.55 | Kian|worK | so that if a cobalt fails, i can get the virtual server running on another one in a minute :) |
| 13:53.04 | Cope | nice idea |
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| 13:53.21 | wuming | what the debian mysql initial root password |
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| 13:53.41 | bibe | wuming : no password is set for root@localhost |
| 13:53.50 | Rawplayer | anyone in here got a windows 2003 IIS 6 running with a samba share mount for the webfiles? |
| 13:53.54 | orcaur | dpkg: I tried to reconfigure, but it says I dont have xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:54.08 | nobley | any idea why I get operation not permitted with trying to turn dma on with my hard drive under a 2.6 kernel but not with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 13:54.14 | Ronin | orcaur: tehn install one or the other |
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| 13:55.03 | Goshawk | hi |
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| 13:56.04 | orcaur | Ronin: I try to create xorg.conf file, but I dont know how to exactly start |
| 13:56.12 | cmdKeen | there is something quite wrong with fonts on my Etch, MS Sans Serif is displayed as empty chars in web browsers(you can't imagine how annoying it is), there are no fonts at some SDL apps at all... how can I... hmmm... "start over" with font configuration, what utlis can I use and mainly, is tthere some up-to-date debian font guide ? that from dpkg prove useless:-/ |
| 13:56.13 | wuming | oh,i am using back ports mysql5, what;s the root password then still '' |
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| 13:56.23 | llll_ | anyone know perl? |
| 13:56.55 | llll_ | what does $" mean? |
| 13:57.10 | jm_ | llll_: man perlvar |
| 13:57.22 | Kian|worK | ok thanks |
| 13:57.22 | Kian|worK | bye all |
| 13:57.28 | cmdKeen | llll_, are you sure you are on right channel ? |
| 13:57.32 | neenee | good afternoon, i come bearing a question: when i run 'make' in /usr/src/linux, which contains 2.6.16-rc1 vanilla, i get an error message starting with "/bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('" and followed by some message mensning gcc. i use debian unstable. is there a known problem with gcc? |
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| 13:58.47 | orcaur | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.49 | neenee | hm.. the error seems to be in inclue/linux/version.h |
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| 13:59.13 | Ronin | orcaur: install what reconfigure is saying you are missing |
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| 14:00.11 | Lanfeust21 | i want to install java but i find no java-package |
| 14:00.24 | Ronin | !tell Lanfeust21 about java |
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| 14:00.49 | rem_ | hey, I have a laptop with win2k and I want to install Debian, but I only have a floppy drive and a wifi card. Is there a way to make it boot on a floppy or any way to install debian ... ? |
| 14:01.12 | Ronin | oh joy its meeting time |
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| 14:01.54 | rem_ | is there a way to start the install in windows and then continue from disk .. ? |
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| 14:02.12 | jm_ | remedy: yes, you can boot from a floppy - read installation manual |
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| 14:02.15 | jm_ | rem_ ^^^^^^ |
| 14:02.16 | Lanfeust21 | ronin: ok i've got no problme with that i just want to know how to instal Kaffé or whatsoever |
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| 14:02.47 | vinson | msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 14:02.51 | vinson | doh! |
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| 14:04.09 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:04.17 | dhuv | I am having a problem with the installation of debian on a dell poweredge 6300 |
| 14:04.30 | diogenes | hi. i'm trying to conf my iptables rules to forward connections to port 80 from certain ip to another machine while the box should also accept any connections from 192.168.1.x-range.. i have the following line in the scriptfile -> -A PREROUTING -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -p tcp -dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.XXX |
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| 14:05.11 | diogenes | does someone spot a problem in the rule? |
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| 14:05.12 | dhuv | I created the logical drives through the raid controller, and |
| 14:05.17 | archie2 | i'd like to install debian with a 'tar file' but i don't know how to make a proper tar file.. with suitable /dev files and link files ? |
| 14:05.26 | Gillagal | I've got an ATX motherboard, but when I do a shutdown my PC doesn't shut off. I always need to manually hit the power once the system halts. Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 14:05.47 | dhuv | boot off the net install cd, it goes through the installation just fine, installs grub on the master boot record |
| 14:05.47 | jm_ | Gillagal: yes |
| 14:06.07 | dhuv | but when the system restarts, it says grub loading and just sits there |
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| 14:06.56 | dhuv | I tried to do the install again but this time install grub on a floppy (/dev/fd0) and I saw that it accessed the disk but when I rebooted I got a Grub Geom error. |
| 14:07.00 | Gillagal | jm_ ok.... and.... |
| 14:07.01 | archie2 | diogenes: maybe something like from 192.168.XXX to -d xxxx is needed.. (the way back) |
| 14:07.34 | diogenes | hmm |
| 14:07.51 | archie2 | Gillagal: apm issue.. may well be specific to your mothercard.. |
| 14:08.02 | jm_ | dhuv: try installing it manually |
| 14:08.14 | dav1 | hi, can anyone help me to reconfigure my monitor please? |
| 14:08.54 | archie2 | Gillagal: you ought to tell and/ or look on the web.. for someone who experience the same issue, and found how to solve it.. but ought to mention.. the name of your mothercard, i think |
| 14:09.05 | diogenes | archie2: i'm not entirely sure what you mean |
| 14:09.19 | nobley | any idea why I get operation not permitted with trying to turn dma on with my hard drive under a 2.6 kernel but not with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 14:09.38 | Monteiro | is there any debian support for blind ppl ? |
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| 14:10.18 | cahoot | nobley: custom kernel? |
| 14:10.19 | archie2 | diogenes: same for me, i hoped it could help, but can't really comment much further.. if you don't see what i mean... |
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| 14:10.52 | diogenes | archie2: the -d would point to the box itself |
| 14:10.55 | jm_ | Monteiro: Linux kernel supports some devices that are targeted at blind people |
| 14:11.30 | Monteiro | jm_ : but is there any debian instalation, so can blind ppl install it ? |
| 14:11.33 | archie2 | Monteiro: apt-cache search blind |
| 14:12.00 | dav1 | hi, can anyone help me to reconfigure my monitor please? |
| 14:12.19 | diogenes | archie2: iow -d thisbox would imo filter none of the connections |
| 14:12.20 | jm_ | Monteiro: http://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2005/08/msg00001.html |
| 14:12.40 | archie2 | diogenes: i can't tell you specifically, i just tried to give some clues.. but as it didn't help, maybe my first comment, was just not relevant |
| 14:12.49 | diogenes | k |
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| 14:13.14 | Monteiro | jm_ : tks |
| 14:13.19 | dhuv | jm_: what do you mean installing it manually |
| 14:13.40 | jm_ | dhuv: cat /lib/grub/i386-pc/stage? > /dev/fd0 |
| 14:13.41 | dhuv | it happens during the installation, I dont get a chance to install it manually. Or am I missing something |
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| 14:14.06 | dhuv | jm_: from that computer itself, I dont get a shell on it yet |
| 14:14.08 | jm_ | that should give you a working GRUB floppy |
| 14:14.12 | jm_ | dhuv: sure you do |
| 14:14.29 | dhuv | alt + f2? |
| 14:14.32 | jm_ | indeed |
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| 14:14.48 | dhuv | ok lets try that |
| 14:15.16 | jm_ | you can also do that from windows or dos or other Linux and you'll have a GRUB floppy |
| 14:15.16 | dhuv | but another question, is there a way to use the installation cd to boot the currently installed linux? |
| 14:15.33 | archie2 | i'd like to make a tar of my system an copy it elsewhere.. through scp... is it possible ? |
| 14:16.06 | r9704 | ?? about the Reiser FS. I need to store 65K small files. Can one directory hold that much? |
| 14:16.09 | nvz | dhuv: better to boot the install kernel off cd, then goto the console ctrl+alt+f2 or f3 and mount the root partition and chroot |
| 14:16.15 | abrotman | archie2: you can probably pipe it through scp |
| 14:16.55 | archie2 | abrotman: but still issues with /dev files and symbolic links ? |
| 14:17.04 | abrotman | archie2: is the system udev ? |
| 14:17.27 | abrotman | tar may have an option for symlinks |
| 14:17.28 | vorsprung | r9704, perl -e 'for (0..65535) { open(F,">f$_")||die "$! $_"; print F $_; close(F); }' |
| 14:17.33 | archie2 | abrotman: i think i had to remove this, because of 2.6 ? |
| 14:17.35 | vorsprung | r9704, try it |
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| 14:17.51 | r9704 | good thought.. |
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| 14:18.18 | jm_ | archie2: of course it's possible |
| 14:18.20 | vorsprung | r9704, you will probably get command line too long from "ls -l" or similar though |
| 14:18.44 | archie2 | jm_: ok, i'll try :) |
| 14:18.45 | lawnchair | woah |
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| 14:18.51 | lawnchair | i just created 65,000 files on ext3 |
| 14:18.53 | lawnchair | and ls'ed em fine |
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| 14:19.38 | archie2 | r9704: ls -l will work.. but never try with stars and the like, like 'ls -l *'.. all of this will be broken |
| 14:19.54 | dhuv | jm_: I should make the / partition bootable right? |
| 14:20.17 | jm_ | dhuv: yeah, better do that, some BIOS-es require it |
| 14:20.50 | dhuv | jm_: I am doing the installation again |
| 14:20.59 | jm_ | dhuv: why? |
| 14:21.01 | dhuv | this time before I reboot, I will do the cat |
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| 14:21.12 | r9704 | I understand the cmdline size limit; I am just worried about the meta-block overhead to build that directory structure. |
| 14:21.12 | dhuv | cat /lib/grub/i386-pc/stage? > /dev/fd0 |
| 14:21.35 | dhuv | jm_: because it just take a few minutes, not a big deal |
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| 14:22.02 | Coke | dhuv: reinstalling and rebooting is foreign to many debian users |
| 14:22.05 | archie2 | r9704: reiserfs should fit quiet well (with btree) for this kind of purpose |
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| 14:22.40 | dhuv | this box had nothing on it anyway, I was installing for the first time today |
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| 14:24.15 | abrotman | actually .. xfs might be a better fit |
| 14:24.21 | abrotman | though .. both have issues |
| 14:24.23 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 14:24.23 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is, like, http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
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| 14:25.41 | dhuv | jm_: so its finished with the installation and now asking me about grub |
| 14:25.44 | dav1 | hi, can anyone help me to reconfigure my monitor please? i'm using debian etch, kde 3.5 |
| 14:26.05 | dhuv | should I tell it to install in mbr and do the install on the floppy manually? |
| 14:26.07 | abrotman | is kde3.5 in etch? |
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| 14:26.48 | dav1 | umm pass, think so? |
| 14:26.53 | jm_ | dhuv: yes tell it to install |
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| 14:27.06 | dhuv | jm_: in the mbr? |
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| 14:28.04 | dhuv | ok now its finishing the installation |
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| 14:28.30 | dav1 | abrotman: can u help me configur my monitor? |
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| 14:29.15 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:29.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 14:29.32 | abrotman | if you can stop using letters as words maybe ... |
| 14:29.46 | jm_ | dhuv: sure |
| 14:29.52 | dav1 | can you help me then please? |
| 14:30.01 | abrotman | dav1: what is wrong with it? |
| 14:30.05 | dhuv | jm_: I catted stage1 > /dev/fd0 that should be ok right? |
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| 14:30.13 | dav1 | i cant use resolutions above 1024 |
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| 14:30.20 | abrotman | dav1: what is your driver? |
| 14:30.25 | jm_ | dhuv: no |
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| 14:30.36 | dhuv | jm_: then |
| 14:30.43 | dav1 | i have an nvidia geforce 4 mx 440 |
| 14:30.46 | jm_ | dhuv: I gave you the command, use it |
| 14:30.54 | dhuv | you said stage? |
| 14:30.58 | jm_ | yes |
| 14:31.07 | dhuv | it will know the ? |
| 14:31.08 | abrotman | dav1: what driver is it? .. the unofficial nvidia one or the nv or vesa or what? |
| 14:31.10 | jm_ | stage? matches more than just stage1 |
| 14:31.12 | jm_ | yes |
| 14:31.18 | dhuv | ahh ok |
| 14:31.24 | dhuv | how? |
| 14:31.30 | svein | What's the official way to turn off a boot service? |
| 14:31.33 | dhuv | ok so its done, now just a reboot right? |
| 14:31.40 | dav1 | the one that is in the list of drivers when i installed |
| 14:31.43 | jm_ | svein: /msg dpkg services |
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| 14:32.00 | jm_ | dhuv: yeah but now you'll have GRUB floppy read to be used for booting if it screws up |
| 14:32.06 | jm_ | ready* |
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| 14:32.29 | jm_ | it will be a bit bare, with no config file, but that can be done later if needed until you fix the issue with GRUB on your disk |
| 14:33.45 | dhuv | it says grub loading stage 2 |
| 14:34.11 | dhuv | jm_ now I have a grub prompt |
| 14:34.11 | abrotman | dav1: i'm not sure if the nv driver supports over 1024 |
| 14:34.16 | r9704 | dpkg: the links were enlightening. I especially looked at the part about ReiserFS response to power failure. |
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| 14:34.28 | abrotman | r9704: dpkg is a bot |
| 14:34.37 | jm_ | dhuv: is that from a floppy or hard disk? |
| 14:34.38 | abrotman | r9704: and that's the part you were supposed to look at |
| 14:34.42 | dhuv | floppy |
| 14:34.49 | jm_ | did you try the one on disk? |
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| 14:34.59 | dav1 | ahh, ok thanks :), should i install the nvidia binary thing then? if so will i need to reconfigure anything else? |
| 14:35.04 | abrotman | !drxx dav1 |
| 14:35.05 | fsancho | hi all |
| 14:35.05 | dpkg | dav1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 14:35.12 | fsancho | a diff question |
| 14:35.20 | dhuv | not yet, it didnt work last time so I just figured I would use the disk, where the disk would be read and automatically load the os |
| 14:35.21 | KerPlunk | !tells cmdKeen about fonts |
| 14:35.22 | abrotman | dav1: try that .. see if it will let you choose a resolution over 1024 |
| 14:35.25 | fsancho | I am packaging an app |
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| 14:35.35 | dhuv | jm_: let me try the one on the disk though |
| 14:35.35 | fsancho | and making a patch with dpatch |
| 14:35.40 | mere | hey, what happened with realtime-lsm-module? |
| 14:36.25 | fsancho | now, after making a patch, debuild says that cannot represente changes to a binary file, but that binary file is the patch, that is only text |
| 14:37.12 | fsancho | i don't know with character can make diff to belive that a text file is a binary one. |
| 14:37.16 | dusty- | Hello all, i am running debian 3.1 r1, (i believe that is sarge-stable) I want to run debian unstable, the latest bleeding edge of debian, how would i go about doing this? |
| 14:37.18 | fsancho | *wich |
| 14:37.29 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 14:37.30 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 14:37.46 | dhuv | jm_ yes it sits at GRUB loading, please wait... for ever |
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| 14:37.52 | Prudhvi | !etch |
| 14:37.52 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
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| 14:38.18 | jm_ | dhuv: so the same issue then |
| 14:38.22 | dhuv | yes |
| 14:38.28 | tarzeau | fsancho: bsdiff ? |
| 14:38.29 | dhuv | so it seems I have to use the boot floppy |
| 14:38.47 | fsancho | tarzeau: what is bsdiff? |
| 14:38.53 | dhuv | the older linux installation I had on here, (slackware) installed a few years ago had the same problem, I had to use grub through the floppy |
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| 14:39.07 | tarzeau | fsancho: a diff for binary files |
| 14:39.16 | dhuv | the floppy always booted the box and there was a default to start booting to |
| 14:39.23 | jm_ | dhuv: sounds like a crappy BIOS - I would try to install it manually on hard disk too |
| 14:39.23 | dhuv | I think I am going to have to set that up again |
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| 14:39.43 | fsancho | tarzeau: i don't want to make diff of binary files, since the file that debuild says that is binary, really is a text file |
| 14:39.59 | tarzeau | fsancho: can you put the file online? |
| 14:40.04 | dhuv | jm_: yes crappy bios |
| 14:40.28 | fsancho | tarzeau: yes, where dou you want it? |
| 14:40.34 | tarzeau | fsancho: on the web |
| 14:40.43 | dhuv | I will look into recreating a grub floppy which will boot the system |
| 14:40.44 | tarzeau | fsancho: can you put it on www.playboy.com ? |
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| 14:40.53 | fsancho | tarzeau: gime me a minute :P |
| 14:40.55 | dhuv | but for now I need to get into the system with the grub floppy that you had me create |
| 14:41.03 | dhuv | all I get is a grub> prompt |
| 14:41.13 | tarzeau | dhuv: try help |
| 14:41.15 | dhuv | I will type help and see what I cna do |
| 14:41.18 | dhuv | :) |
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| 14:41.23 | fsancho | tarzeau: http://www.playboy.com/~fsancho/example.dpatch |
| 14:41.39 | dhuv | do you know how to use it though if I cannot figure it out? |
| 14:41.40 | fsancho | tarzeau: just kidding.... |
| 14:41.48 | jm_ | dhuv: you load a kernel and initrd image, then boot |
| 14:41.54 | KerPlunk | http://mirrors.playboy.com |
| 14:41.59 | dhuv | I am also looking in the grub documentation to see if there is anything |
| 14:42.05 | dav1 | ok i reconfigured it, i assumed i need to reboot now, what should i do if it wont start when i do? |
| 14:42.10 | tarzeau | fsancho: but you know this one? http://mirrors.playboy.com/ |
| 14:42.39 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: you work there? |
| 14:42.54 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: they used to have a funny welcome banner for smtp.. but it got replaced :( |
| 14:43.07 | fsancho | tarzeau: yes, OSS from playboy, nice guys :-) |
| 14:43.48 | jm_ | dhuv: kernel (hd0,X)/boot/vmlinuz-... root=/dev/hda1 then initrd (hd0,X)/boot/initrd-.... boot |
| 14:43.55 | KerPlunk | tarzeau, no..but I emailed them once...just a bunch of geeks in an office not near the mansion.(no naked people around) |
| 14:43.56 | fsancho | tarzeau: i'm triying to remember a web where anybody can paste text and make visible to others |
| 14:44.07 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: haha |
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| 14:44.13 | KerPlunk | tarzeau, But they do get invited to parties now and then the guy said. |
| 14:44.16 | jm_ | but I have to run now, ask me again about installing it manually tomorrow |
| 14:44.19 | KerPlunk | A couple times a year. |
| 14:44.25 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: can you put the mails online? |
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| 14:44.36 | KerPlunk | I asked him if he would put debian on the mirror, he said no...he said only software they use goes on. |
| 14:44.39 | tarzeau | fsancho: i don't want the text, i want the file |
| 14:44.45 | fsancho | ah, ok |
| 14:44.51 | fsancho | just a minute |
| 14:45.04 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: do they have offices in europe? |
| 14:45.07 | KerPlunk | tarzeau, I don't have it anymore this was a couple years ago. |
| 14:45.31 | KerPlunk | tarzeau, I don't know but the email address is on http://mirrors.playboy.com |
| 14:45.42 | fsancho | tarzeau: here it goes |
| 14:45.43 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: .uk has one |
| 14:45.49 | fsancho | tarzeau: the file is a spanish translation |
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| 14:46.00 | fsancho | tarzeau: so, the file is full of spanish characters |
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| 14:46.02 | tarzeau | fsancho: sorry no dcc. welcome has just one l |
| 14:46.20 | fsancho | tarzeau: you are right |
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| 14:48.32 | fsancho | tarzeau: here it is http://molinux.info/~fsancho/03_welcome_translation.dpatch |
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| 14:49.27 | NOthsouth | foobared I resolv the cron problem :) thx |
| 14:49.32 | tarzeau | fsancho: really looks fine |
| 14:50.03 | foobared | NOthsouth: what was the problem? |
| 14:50.08 | fsancho | tarzeau: the patch is automatically created by dpatch |
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| 14:51.16 | fsancho | but when i run debuild, it says that it cannot represent changes to 03_welcome_translation.dpatch: binary file contentes changed |
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| 14:51.52 | NOthsouth | foobared, well i use apt to reinstall it first that fix the log problem, than I see the logs when cron was trying to executing my scrip some variables was not seted ... |
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| 14:52.50 | NetCraWlr | Hi, i was wondering if someone can help me |
| 14:53.39 | testmachine | i am looking for some good documentation about pxe |
| 14:53.39 | foobared | NOthsouth: strange, so you have no idea why it stopped logging? |
| 14:53.39 | duck2cv | NetCraWlr ask |
| 14:53.45 | pipeline | testmachine: There's nothing to it. |
| 14:53.46 | testmachine | but i cant finde it fsckng anywhere |
| 14:53.52 | NOthsouth | foobared, no idea |
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| 14:54.01 | NetCraWlr | i cant find the hardrive on my system... Its running SATA RAID so i was wondering what kind of kernel image that supports it |
| 14:54.02 | pipeline | testmachine: All you have to do to get PXE working is install tftpd-hpa |
| 14:54.09 | pipeline | testmachine: Well, and a DHCP server, but that part is obvious. |
| 14:54.16 | testmachine | indeed |
| 14:54.19 | pipeline | testmachine: The only non-obvious thing is the tftpd-hpa -- other tftp daemons won't work. |
| 14:54.22 | NOthsouth | foobared, I think exim was not set rigth too .. maybe that was the log problem |
| 14:54.31 | testmachine | and the dhcp server can be another server then tftpd-hpa? |
| 14:54.42 | pipeline | testmachine: Err, tftpd-hpa is not a DHCP server. |
| 14:54.50 | testmachine | pipeline: i know |
| 14:54.57 | testmachine | then the tftpd-hpa server |
| 14:54.58 | testmachine | i mean |
| 14:55.10 | pipeline | testmachine: It's /supposed/ to work that way, but it doesn't always. |
| 14:55.17 | testmachine | hmmk |
| 14:55.26 | pipeline | testmachine: the "next-server" directive is supposed to be followed by the client in order to determine the TFTP server. |
| 14:55.34 | pipeline | testmachine: Most boot ROMs don't fuck thaht up. Some do :| |
| 14:55.34 | testmachine | most of our costumers have ts2k3 running |
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| 14:55.55 | testmachine | and now i want to have this pxe server connecting trough rdp |
| 14:55.58 | pipeline | testmachine: Windows DHCP is broken, by the way, and won't do PXE. |
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| 14:55.59 | testmachine | to thos ts servers |
| 14:56.09 | testmachine | ah ok |
| 14:56.09 | pipeline | testmachine: I don't think you know what PXE is or what it does. |
| 14:56.23 | dav1 | thx for the help guys, its sorted now :) |
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| 14:56.27 | testmachine | so i cant use an windows dhcp server? |
| 14:56.29 | pipeline | testmachine: PXE is an ethernet boot protocol. It doesn't work at the IP level. |
| 14:56.49 | testmachine | it uses mac adresses |
| 14:56.51 | testmachine | i know |
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| 14:57.56 | testmachine | this will be a little prob then |
| 14:58.01 | testmachine | our dhcp server is a windows server |
| 14:58.03 | testmachine | hehe |
| 14:58.13 | pipeline | testmachine: And no, you can't use the windows DHCP server. You could use isc dhcpd running on Windows, but the one that comes with Windows is horrendously brain-damaged. |
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| 14:58.47 | dav1 | hi, i have debian installed on a hard drive on ide 0, and windows installed on ide 3/4, yes i have 4 ide slots, whenever i've tried to get the boot menu to let me load windows instead of debian i've failed, alot of the docs talk about "lilo?" but i dont think i have that. i and using debian etch, and kde 3.5. can anyone point me in the right direction please? |
| 14:58.56 | pipeline | testmachine: Another option is to set up another DHCP server that will only answer requests from specific MAC addresses |
| 14:59.13 | testmachine | pipeline: hm thats an idea :) |
| 14:59.14 | pipeline | davi: Do you have grub? |
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| 14:59.37 | dav1 | yes |
| 14:59.41 | pipeline | testmachine: Just make sure that the second server is set to be authoritative and the first is not, so that the second will override the first when it chooses to reply. |
| 14:59.43 | harm1988 | i get this error when i want to add another user: |
| 14:59.50 | harm1988 | UID 1004 is not unique |
| 15:00.00 | harm1988 | useradd -m -u 1004 |
| 15:00.01 | pipeline | dav1: Well, there are tons of tutorials out on the internet on how to boot windows with grub. |
| 15:00.07 | pipeline | harm1988: You can't have two users with the same uid. |
| 15:00.23 | amphi | dav1: including the grub info pages |
| 15:00.26 | testmachine | thank you pipeline |
| 15:00.27 | dav1 | k, i'll have another look, but none of them halped me last time |
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| 15:01.48 | pipeline | dav1: The rough version is that you have to choose a disk/partition, something along the lines of (hd0,1) -- thaht would be the second partition on the first disk. |
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| 15:01.58 | pipeline | dav1: Then you would tell it "chainloader +1" |
| 15:02.02 | pipeline | dav1: And that should be it. |
| 15:02.07 | NetCraWlr | Any suggestions on my SATA RAID problem? I cant find disks under installation. i cant make any partition tables |
| 15:02.22 | abrotman | NetCraWlr: what installer .. and what controller? |
| 15:02.36 | rudenstam | is it possible to create a custom install cd with some of the settings predefined (like the partitioning, rootpass and package selection) |
| 15:02.48 | abrotman | rudenstam: look for preseeding |
| 15:02.53 | dav1 | ok thx, i'll read the stuff |
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| 15:03.26 | NetCraWlr | hmm i downloaded the newest netinstall image from debian.org im not shure of the controller ill have to check that |
| 15:03.34 | NetCraWlr | its a new Dell server |
| 15:03.40 | rudenstam | abrotman: okey |
| 15:04.11 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 15:04.11 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
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| 15:04.49 | pawdro | how to replace downloaded firefox 1.5 with earlier installed 1.0.7 in etch? |
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| 15:05.31 | bibe | pawdro : did you install 1.5 into /opt/firefox, or did you compile it from source? |
| 15:05.51 | vinson | anyone know what would cause me to get "could not find mime type application/octet-stream" in kde (on sarge testing) |
| 15:06.07 | vinson | it happens when i open command center or konqueror |
| 15:06.08 | NetCraWlr | do you think i need a newer kernel to solve it? |
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| 15:06.22 | pawdro | bibe: ive downloaded compiled 1.5 and i want to remove now |
| 15:06.30 | pawdro | replace |
| 15:06.32 | Zrin | I'm trying to identify a process with nearly 100% cpu usage, but top does not show any process with %CPU above 1.0% ... any idea? |
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| 15:07.06 | webservertg | Spanish? |
| 15:07.32 | Zrin | !about Spanish |
| 15:07.58 | webservertg | They Speeak Spanish? |
| 15:08.01 | NetCraWlr | Zrin: tryed PS AUX? |
| 15:08.25 | webservertg | Help me please!!!! |
| 15:08.34 | Zrin | NetCraWlr: 0.0 all of them |
| 15:08.34 | Electr0_cYpH3r | :) |
| 15:08.38 | webservertg | I'm Install Ubuntu 5.10 |
| 15:08.43 | pipeline | webservertg: #ubuntu |
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| 15:08.57 | pipeline | webservertg: This is #debian. We don't give a flying fuck about #ubuntu. |
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| 15:09.12 | xored | how to make a traceroute on a specific ip ? |
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| 15:09.33 | webservertg | Debian = Father the Ubuntu? |
| 15:09.36 | Zrin | !tell webservertg about spanish |
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| 15:10.20 | abrotman | webservertg: please go to #ubuntu |
| 15:10.32 | abrotman | or #ubuntu-es |
| 15:10.37 | webservertg | jejejejej |
| 15:10.41 | webservertg | ok men thanks |
| 15:11.25 | testmachine | heh |
| 15:11.37 | testmachine | i use both |
| 15:11.40 | testmachine | ubuntu |
| 15:11.42 | testmachine | and debian |
| 15:11.46 | testmachine | ubuntu as desktop |
| 15:11.56 | testmachine | :-) |
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| 15:13.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 15:14.06 | Zrin | almost 100% (user) CPU usage, and top doesn't show any process with high CPU usage. how is this possible? |
| 15:14.39 | foobared | Zrin: system uses it? |
| 15:14.44 | dav1 | pipeline: how do i convert "hdg1 partition 0" to "(hdx,0)", as in the grub menu.lst it doesnt have letters after hd? |
| 15:15.06 | Zrin | foobared: then it would be system usage, not user .. and anyway |
| 15:15.23 | stew | Zrin: if its doing lots of disk access. run "vmstat 2", ignore the first row of data, see if any of "si so bi bo" columns have consistently high numbers |
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| 15:15.54 | foobared | Zrin: do you have only one cpu? |
| 15:16.03 | Zrin | foobared: yes |
| 15:16.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | is here someone that uses samba and could walk me trough, becaus im trying to, but its driving me mad :=( |
| 15:16.35 | Zrin | stew: bo=27 in 3rd line and 10-21 every 6-10 lines |
| 15:16.41 | pipeline | dav1: Get into the grub command prompt at boot time, type "(hd" and use tab completion |
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| 15:17.07 | stew | Zrin: that's not very much then, that wouldnt' be the cuase |
| 15:17.08 | npx | Sorta offtopic, but I remember a few years back there were some TLDs offering free domains; are there still any? |
| 15:17.11 | dav1 | ? |
| 15:17.18 | npx | googling for TLDs is sorta hopeless, tons of spam |
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| 15:17.47 | Prudhvi | !etch faq |
| 15:17.49 | Zrin | stew: I think it has to something to do with mysqld, but top is not showing that (?) |
| 15:17.55 | foobared | Zrin: hm, start to kill processes in ps auwx with R state :) |
| 15:18.41 | Zrin | foobared: can't kill production mysqld, my phone would start to ring in 1-2 minutes :-) |
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| 15:19.34 | stew | Zrin: if mysql were the cause then mysql would be showing up in top, or lots of disk writes would be showing up in vmstat |
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| 15:20.21 | Zrin | stew: I'd say it is probably a slow query, but mysqld has cpu usage of 0.0 in top |
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| 15:21.09 | vorsprung | Zrin, can't mysql list current stuff in progress? I forget how, it's been a while since I managed mysql stuff |
| 15:21.37 | Zrin | vorsprung: yes, it can ... but top not showing cpu usage is still strange |
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| 15:22.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | someone using samba? |
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| 15:22.52 | dav1 | i used to be able to type "kwrite" in the console to launch kwrite, now it gives the error Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 15:22.52 | dav1 | Xlib: No protocol specified, anyone know what this is? |
| 15:23.04 | foobared | Zrin: what does vmstat say about cpu? |
| 15:23.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | dav1, trying to start it as root? |
| 15:23.28 | dav1 | i was |
| 15:23.32 | DJ-Marcuzz | or inconsol as superuser? |
| 15:23.35 | Zrin | foobared: us 100 |
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| 15:24.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | well me has the same problem ;) |
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| 15:24.04 | Monteiro | when i install gnome, the mouse cursor changes, which package is this? I'm with xfce, and i want to change the cursor, anyonw knows ? |
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| 15:24.47 | pawdro | ive installed firefox into /opt/firefox and ln -s it to /usr/local/bin/firefox, I also removed firefox 1.07, but it cant display java applets |
| 15:24.52 | pawdro | what to do? |
| 15:25.18 | Zrin | foobared: probably a slow query ... it's gone now - CPU usage is back to normal |
| 15:25.26 | beardy | pawdro: Why aren't you using the packaged one, what features does that one have, that the packaged one does not have? |
| 15:25.27 | Eclipser | pawdro, install java and make a symlink to the mozilla java module |
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| 15:26.11 | pawdro | beardy: download status bar, and rss chanels reader in bookmarks |
| 15:26.19 | Zrin | foobared: but this says something about top, doesn't it? |
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| 15:26.57 | deadline | what does that mean :The following packages have been kept back when trying to upgrade? |
| 15:27.00 | pawdro | beardy: that |
| 15:27.16 | pawdro | beardy: that's what i wanted to have in firefox |
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| 15:27.58 | foobared | Zrin: never saw such thing, maybe some hacker runs his codebreaker program on your machine, and he've replaced your top too :) |
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| 15:28.20 | deadline | anybody? |
| 15:28.39 | stew | deadline: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 15:28.49 | hans0lo | I have a fresh install of Sarge. I want to email the results of CRON jobs. The mail never arrives; where do I set the smtp server's address? |
| 15:28.49 | Zrin | foobared: :) yeah, real top couldn't fail |
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| 15:30.03 | Zrin | foobared: it's a sql query |
| 15:30.19 | foobared | Zrin: is it in ps auwx? |
| 15:30.24 | Andy_CARP | hi all! how can I see what is doing on a samba conection? I can see it using webmin, but I want to know what is the command used to achieve that... |
| 15:30.25 | Zrin | foobared: i'll set mysqld to log slow queries |
| 15:30.41 | abrotman | Andy_CARP: ask #samba ? |
| 15:30.45 | Zrin | foobared: no, it was not visible in ps auwx |
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| 15:30.57 | doi_ | Andy_CARP: ethereal ? |
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| 15:31.04 | GNULinuxer | hello! |
| 15:31.09 | Zrin | Andy_CARP: smbstatus |
| 15:31.19 | Shadur | *CRUD*. chose the wrong keymap during second-stage debian install, and when I try to revisit the option it won't let me make a new choice. I do have a root shell open; is there a file I can alter to fix this or at least unask the question? |
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| 15:31.23 | GNULinuxer | where are the access logs of openssh server located? |
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| 15:31.40 | Andy_CARP | Zrin thanks |
| 15:31.51 | doi_ | GNULinuxer: syslogd |
| 15:31.52 | dav1 | typing (hd tab just gave me a new line |
| 15:32.06 | deadline | stew: this doesnt apply to my issue. im trying to upgrade webmin. when trying to install with the -s option, it prompts me to Y/n, if i choose yes, it just says: Would download/install/remove packages. and gets back to bash. any ideas how to fix that? |
| 15:32.17 | GNULinuxer | doi_: so it's /var/log/syslog? |
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| 15:33.17 | stew | deadline: i don't understand what is broken, everything sounds normal so far |
| 15:33.24 | foobared | Zrin: hm, but what actually eats cpu cycles? a query makes the daemon work (and the kernel). Or it is a local client? |
| 15:33.35 | abrotman | don't use webmin .. |
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| 15:33.43 | doi_ | GNULinuxer: man syslogd; vi /etc/syslog.conf. I think it is /var/log/messages in a standard sarge installation |
| 15:33.46 | Zrin | foobared: server |
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| 15:33.53 | stew | abrotman: webmin might be removed from unstable/testing soon :) |
| 15:33.53 | dav1 | hi, does anyone know how to setup grub to dual boot windows and debian, debian is on ide0, windows is on ide3? |
| 15:33.57 | Zrin | foobared: debian sarge with 2.6 |
| 15:34.01 | abrotman | stew: it has been! |
| 15:34.03 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 15:34.03 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 15:34.11 | abrotman | stew: or maybe not yet |
| 15:34.16 | stew | not yet |
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| 15:34.20 | stew | afaik |
| 15:34.27 | abrotman | stew: that would be awesome .. no more tards using webmin! |
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| 15:34.52 | secher | abrotman: don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. :) |
| 15:35.10 | stew | deadline: if -s showed you that pacakges needed to be removed then that's likely why it's being kept back. apt-get upgrade will never remove packages or install new ones, if it needs to to upgrade a package it keeps it back instead |
| 15:35.15 | abrotman | secher: that was holding bck |
| 15:35.16 | abrotman | back |
| 15:35.38 | deadline | stew: can i force it to upgrade? |
| 15:35.43 | fsancho | tarzeau: i have solved it. It seems that a strange character falls into patch ^@ |
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| 15:35.45 | secher | abrotman: <grin> is fscking morons more appropriate? |
| 15:35.48 | dhuv | I am having a problem installing debian on an old server |
| 15:36.06 | abrotman | secher: no .. but i wish using webmin would imply unemployed :) |
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| 15:36.20 | usiu | Hi |
| 15:36.22 | doi_ | dhuv: I have a problem to understand your problem |
| 15:36.23 | dhuv | the problem is that the installation goes well, but the system does not know where linux is on bootup |
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| 15:36.31 | secher | mmmMMMmmm.. pistachios, cigarettes and chocolate for breakfast. WOOT |
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| 15:36.36 | pixus | hello ppl ;) |
| 15:36.38 | stew | deadline: yes, apt-get install packagename |
| 15:36.42 | dhuv | doi_: I was still typing :0 |
| 15:36.43 | dhuv | :) |
| 15:36.52 | TML | Anyone know where I can find something that will elaborate on the differences between the kernel-image-foo packages and the linux-kernel-foo ones? |
| 15:36.56 | doi_ | dhuv: Install grub ! |
| 15:37.04 | usiu | Any idea when bluez-utils will be updated due to new dbus in sid ? |
| 15:37.05 | foobared | dhuv: system == bios ? |
| 15:37.05 | abrotman | secher: no OJ? |
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| 15:37.18 | stew | TML: linux-kernel-foo? |
| 15:37.31 | dhuv | doi_: I go through the grub installation process during the installation or debian, it installs to the mbr |
| 15:37.33 | usiu | ? |
| 15:37.37 | doi_ | dhuv: It is a great thing of work. Thanks to the grub developers ! I also like wingrub. |
| 15:37.40 | secher | TML_: since Debian is using the hurd kernel, there was a need to differentiate between the linux kernel and hurd is all. |
| 15:37.40 | dhuv | but when it boots, it says loading grub and then stops |
| 15:37.41 | TML | Sorry... linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 v. kernel-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 15:37.52 | TML | secher: ok |
| 15:37.53 | dhuv | doi_: well it just sits there |
| 15:38.06 | stew | TML: kernel-image-2.6.15-1-686 doesn't exist |
| 15:38.07 | dav1 | hi, does anyone know how to setup debian to dual boot windows and debian, debian is on ide0, windows is on ide3, please? |
| 15:38.09 | dhuv | so then what I tried to do is to create a grub floppy |
| 15:38.21 | pixus | can anyone help me... i'm trying to update kde but, no luck... |
| 15:38.25 | dhuv | but it will just sit there as well |
| 15:39.05 | pixus | plz!! :) |
| 15:39.08 | foobared | dhuv: what type of root fs do you have? |
| 15:39.16 | fireba11 | pixus: from what version to what version ? |
| 15:39.20 | doi_ | dhuv: I think the first stage cannot find menu.lst. Have you placed the menu-file in the right location ? |
| 15:39.23 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 15:39.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:39.31 | fireba11 | pixus: using sarge, etch or sid ? |
| 15:39.39 | pixus | 3.3.2 to 3.5 |
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| 15:39.50 | secher | abrotman: good point.. going to get some right now.. brb.. Heh, to do the total Hunter Thompson breakfast, all I need is some grapefruit and cocaine.. whats the song lyric.... breakfast of cocaine and gin... anyway, brb with the OJ. |
| 15:40.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:40.07 | dhuv | doi_: I copied the menu.lst file from /boot/grub/ and put it on the floppy, when I boot the floppy, the menu comes up and gives you the choices |
| 15:40.08 | doi_ | dhuv: Do you have a grub prompt after booting ? Like 'grub>' |
| 15:40.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | !popcon |
| 15:40.09 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 15:40.28 | dhuv | when you select the option it says loading but never goes anywhere |
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| 15:41.02 | Eulex | pixus, and what version of debian are you using? |
| 15:41.04 | doi_ | dhuv: I havent tried to boot with a grub floppy disk. |
| 15:41.12 | krummie | hi, is there a webbased gui for a ftpd .. to create/manage ftp users? what ftpd would you advise for just a ftp server with 1Gig upload capacity per user. |
| 15:41.24 | doi_ | dhuv: Anytime I have installed everything to hd |
| 15:41.33 | dhuv | doi_: the menu.lst is good because I copied it to the floppy and it works on the floppy |
| 15:41.57 | dhuv | do you know what else might cause grub to fail |
| 15:42.05 | foobared | dhuv: xfs |
| 15:42.16 | dhuv | jfs |
| 15:42.17 | Eulex | dhuv, what exactly does it say? does it fail to load the kernel? |
| 15:42.22 | pixus | Eulex, 3.1_r1 |
| 15:42.25 | doi_ | dhuv: I recomment to boot eg. Knoppix and to reinstall grub onto hd. First backup your menu.lst |
| 15:42.36 | NOthsouth | how can I make a shortcut run my application in terminal ? |
| 15:42.46 | Eulex | pixus, installing kde from unstable on debian stable will most likely cause problems. |
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| 15:43.10 | gnd | hello |
| 15:43.15 | pixus | i'm just messin around :p |
| 15:43.17 | stew | NOthsouth: make the shortcut run "x-terminal-emulator -e /path/to/script" |
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| 15:43.37 | Eulex | dhuv, could you try 'find /boot/grub/stage1' at the grub boot prompt? |
| 15:43.40 | pixus | my prob so far is that, after ./configure, it asks me for X includes |
| 15:43.41 | doi_ | dhuv: do you have the grub> - promtp after booting from hd ? |
| 15:43.44 | NOthsouth | stew, :) |
| 15:43.46 | gnd | how do I get from the command prompt to the graphic login screen? |
| 15:43.54 | Eulex | pixus, you're *compiling* it? |
| 15:43.56 | petemc | hans0lo: /use/share/doc/exim4-base/ |
| 15:43.58 | secher | apt dead or techno for our soundtrack today? |
| 15:44.00 | metaperl | under Debian/testing, for some reason, apt-get upgrade; apt-get install is leading to the removal of every KDE package on my system... why would this happen and what can I do to re-install them? I'm using gnome, but I want KDE around |
| 15:44.01 | RichiH | gnd: ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 15:44.05 | usiu | Any idea when bluez-utils will be updated due to new dbus in sid ? |
| 15:44.06 | hans0lo | gnd: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 15:44.07 | dhuv | I do not get the grub> prompt |
| 15:44.09 | metaperl | I also did apt-get install licq |
| 15:44.12 | RichiH | gnd: assuming you have X installed & running |
| 15:44.21 | Eulex | pixus, you'll need the X dev packages then. |
| 15:44.25 | gnd | RichiH: it's not running |
| 15:44.31 | pixus | Eulex, humm |
| 15:44.32 | gnd | I need to change runlevel |
| 15:44.34 | dhuv | I can get to the command line after I boot from the grub floppy |
| 15:44.35 | gnd | how do I do that? |
| 15:44.38 | secher | apt: you alive? |
| 15:44.42 | RichiH | init 5; startx |
| 15:44.43 | beardy | NOthsouth: 'bash -c someprogram' would work too, would probably be run in xterm then, or your default x-terminal, if such a thing exists |
| 15:44.45 | pixus | Eulex, thx |
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| 15:44.48 | pixus | gonbna try |
| 15:44.52 | stew | gnd: /etc/init.d/?dm start |
| 15:44.53 | Eulex | pixus, yw |
| 15:44.54 | dhuv | what would you like me to do at the grub> prompt? |
| 15:44.56 | RichiH | though unless you are in level 1, that should not matter |
| 15:45.06 | RichiH | stew: or that, yes |
| 15:45.06 | gnd | oh ok, sorry, I missed that line |
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| 15:45.07 | gnd | thanks |
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| 15:45.23 | pixus | Eulex, by the way, i have to ./configure 1 package by 1? |
| 15:45.24 | pixus | right? |
| 15:45.31 | Eulex | pixus, yes. |
| 15:45.35 | pixus | :( |
| 15:45.38 | pixus | ok |
| 15:45.47 | secher | abrotman: I need a decision maker this morning, Grateful Dead or Paul Oakenfold for soundtrack? |
| 15:45.53 | pixus | is there any other easy way? |
| 15:45.55 | Eulex | dhuv, press 'c' to get a command line in grub. |
| 15:45.59 | Ungy | Anyone getting an error with Rhythmbox in Sid about nto being able to check remote shares check your avahi installation? |
| 15:46.00 | pixus | to update kde version |
| 15:46.04 | abrotman | secher: Donovan |
| 15:46.10 | secher | abrotman: LOL |
| 15:46.23 | dhuv | guys, I think its having a problem reading the disks for some reason |
| 15:46.26 | Ungy | !lart abrotman |
| 15:46.27 | dhuv | here is why |
| 15:46.31 | jimb0 | why would you listen to grateful dead |
| 15:46.31 | Eulex | pixus, you could ask #debian-kde |
| 15:46.32 | jimb0 | yuk |
| 15:46.32 | abrotman | yea yeah |
| 15:46.37 | jimb0 | oakenfold if you want to wake up |
| 15:46.39 | abrotman | jimb0: what would you recommend? |
| 15:46.42 | doi_ | dhuv:read www.phrack.org/show.php?p=63 article 10: This is a very detailed doc about grub !! |
| 15:46.49 | pixus | Eulex, thx m8 :) |
| 15:46.57 | gnd | I had to restart /etc/init.d/kdm |
| 15:46.57 | dhuv | I get to the grub> then I type "kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386" |
| 15:47.00 | gnd | thanks guys! |
| 15:47.05 | dhuv | and it just sits there |
| 15:47.09 | secher | Ok, Rammstein it is. |
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| 15:47.34 | Ungy | people actually use kdm? |
| 15:47.44 | Eulex | pixus, /msg dpkg kde 3.5 will maybe give you useful info. I think I heard that it didn't work on stable, though. |
| 15:47.45 | streuner___ | good that you don't unterstand any german... |
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| 15:48.00 | Eulex | dhuv, tried find /boot/grub/stage1? |
| 15:48.02 | pixus | ok |
| 15:48.06 | secher | streuner: I understand some.. <grin> |
| 15:48.11 | elJo | streuner___: there's something to understand with rammstein? :) |
| 15:48.13 | Ungy | streuner___, what if he does |
| 15:48.22 | dhuv | Eulex: its there |
| 15:48.25 | jimb0 | i never got the rammstein deal |
| 15:48.27 | dhuv | as well as stage2 |
| 15:48.28 | jimb0 | always thought they were corny |
| 15:48.37 | elJo | jimb0: they are |
| 15:48.37 | Ungy | jimb0, you you hate me |
| 15:48.39 | Eulex | dhuv, it says (hd0,0)? |
| 15:48.41 | dguti | hola |
| 15:48.42 | jimb0 | yeah i know |
| 15:48.46 | jimb0 | worst song ever btw |
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| 15:48.55 | jimb0 | except the video was almost cool |
| 15:49.11 | dhuv | Eulex: I put that command in at the grub prompt to load my kernel |
| 15:49.16 | jimb0 | if not for the b-grade fake thugs in it i mean |
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| 15:49.21 | Ungy | jimb0, they are like the German Metallica they blow but are popular |
| 15:49.29 | dhuv | the root partition is /dev/sda1 |
| 15:49.30 | jimb0 | and that matters because? |
| 15:49.36 | jimb0 | britney spears is popular too |
| 15:49.40 | secher | jimb0: harsh, dark, power chords, senseless. Works for me this morning. |
| 15:49.46 | Eulex | dhuv, and you are absolutely sure that the kernel is at (hd0,0)? |
| 15:49.52 | dhuv | yes |
| 15:49.59 | De_Mon | I've got guildwars (3Gig+) on 2 computers and want to use samba + rsync to update ~200mb worth of files. Is there a better way to sync the two network shares? |
| 15:50.01 | dhuv | Eulex: how else can I make sure? |
| 15:50.04 | foobared | dhuv: do you have ide disks too? |
| 15:50.08 | Eulex | dhuv, oh, yes, /dev/sda1 should correspond to (hd0,0). |
| 15:50.15 | dhuv | foobared: only ide cdrom |
| 15:50.18 | Ungy | jimb0, and she blows as well I gues you gotta blow to be popular at least all the girls who blew at my school were popular ;-) |
| 15:50.32 | jimb0 | any of them live in north carolina? |
| 15:50.45 | dhuv | but I dont understand why grub freezes when I put that in |
| 15:50.54 | dhuv | why would it just sit there? |
| 15:51.01 | Eulex | dhuv, what happens if you first do root (hd0,0) and then kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/sda1? |
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| 15:51.07 | Ungy | no wrong coast sorry Jimb0 |
| 15:51.08 | jimb0 | http://www.2loveit.com/video/dogskating.wmv |
| 15:51.15 | dhuv | Eulex: I have to reboot and try |
| 15:51.21 | Ungy | De_Mon, damn that hurt what was that all about |
| 15:51.30 | fireba11 | De_Mon: no .. rsync is quite alright |
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| 15:52.12 | fireba11 | De_Mon: wait .. what for samba ? |
| 15:52.14 | Eulex | dhuv, you mean that some other os is booting on the machine? |
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| 15:52.36 | tziku | !tell tziku about vim |
| 15:52.44 | fireba11 | Ungy: what the hell is amanda ? |
| 15:52.55 | Eulex | tziku, talk to dpkg in private. |
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| 15:53.15 | Eulex | !amanda |
| 15:53.16 | dpkg | amanda is, like, Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (a backup system) http://www.amanda.org/ |
| 15:53.24 | fireba11 | !bacula |
| 15:53.31 | tziku | Eulex sure... |
| 15:53.32 | fireba11 | oi ^^ |
| 15:53.35 | Ungy | Eulex, thanks I was typign that out |
| 15:53.48 | De_Mon | fireba11 the directories would be mounted over samba |
| 15:53.50 | tziku | smart bot dpkg :D |
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| 15:54.03 | fireba11 | De_Mon: why that ? |
| 15:54.06 | Eulex | Ungy, hehe, ok |
| 15:54.17 | afrosheen | what do I need to install to get vmware tools installed under debian sarge? |
| 15:54.21 | De_Mon | fireba11 windows |
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| 15:54.50 | fireba11 | De_Mon: ah :-) |
| 15:54.50 | afrosheen | I installed the kernel-source, the kernel-headers and build essentials but it's still missing something |
| 15:55.19 | fireba11 | !bacula |
| 15:55.19 | dpkg | Network Backup Solution ... see http://www.bacula.org/ |
| 15:55.22 | dhuv | Eulex: ok so when I am booting with the grub floppy it says loading grub stage 2 and then I get the menu |
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| 15:55.32 | dhuv | at the menu I am pressing c to get to the command prompt |
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| 15:55.57 | dhuv | if I type in "root (hd0,0)" |
| 15:56.02 | fireba11 | De_Mon: looks like a good solution then |
| 15:56.14 | dhuv | I get back "Filesystem type is jfs, partition type 0x83" |
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| 15:57.17 | dhuv | Eulex: if I then type in "kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.8.6-2-386" it just sits there again |
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| 15:58.34 | Eulex | dhuv, hmm, ok. you could try find /boot/grub/stage1. that command will search for a partition that has grub installed. if it doesn't find anything, the filesystem could be corrupted. you should nevertheless boot a live-cd and fsck the drive. |
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| 16:00.40 | dhuv | Eulex: I am downloading the latest knoppix right now |
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| 16:01.13 | Eulex | dhuv, ok. I'll have to go now. will be back in an hour or so. |
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| 16:01.20 | dhuv | I am sure that the /boot/grub/stage1 is there, I saw it before |
| 16:01.25 | dhuv | Eulex: thanks |
| 16:01.27 | dhuv | I will be here |
| 16:01.31 | Eulex | dhuv, yw |
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| 16:04.42 | sharpfurniture | hi whats the package for ati drivers? |
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| 16:05.58 | chealer | sharpfurniture: the proprietary 3D graphics drivers? |
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| 16:06.06 | sharpfurniture | chealer, yes |
| 16:06.15 | metaperl | samuel: sid? is that Debian/testing? |
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| 16:06.33 | chealer | sharpfurniture: which release do you run? |
| 16:06.40 | sharpfurniture | nvm, got it |
| 16:06.42 | sharpfurniture | thanks |
| 16:06.45 | sharpfurniture | (anyway) |
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| 16:06.59 | chealer | !tell metaperl about releases |
| 16:07.16 | krummie | Is a Dual P200 Pro 512kb cache 256 ram 5 x 4,3Gb raid-5 server enough to run debian sarge on it? just with vsftpd and sshd? |
| 16:07.16 | cisee | sigh what's the right way to downgrade something like xorg from unstable to testing |
| 16:07.35 | petemc | krummie: of course |
| 16:07.46 | krummie | if will have at least 30 ftp connections each uploading with 1mbit upstream |
| 16:08.00 | krummie | petemc I wonder if that's enough for just those two services |
| 16:08.01 | Duckblur | I got a stupid question: Is it true that most Debian users are elitist? Or is that just some fake gossip? |
| 16:08.14 | krummie | Duckblur? are you on crack? |
| 16:08.18 | astoria | Duckblur: Yes. |
| 16:08.19 | cisee | krummie: so your potential aggregate write is 30 mbit/sec ? |
| 16:08.37 | chealer | Duckblur: yes, as it's true that Gentoo users are trolls |
| 16:08.39 | krummie | well sort off |
| 16:08.54 | Duckblur | Haha. Gentoo users are amusing. |
| 16:08.55 | cisee | Duckblur: if by elistist you mean learned probablyt |
| 16:09.04 | astoria | cisee: haha |
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| 16:09.13 | krummie | cisee wouldn't that nbe enough? |
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| 16:09.21 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 16:09.37 | solemnwarning | :\ |
| 16:09.56 | cisee | krummie: run bonnie++ on your array and see what your max write is |
| 16:10.11 | solemnwarning | what should i do? |
| 16:10.29 | krummie | cisee I guess it won't be that much |
| 16:10.29 | limpio | i'm using Sid, i want to install jwm (joe's window manager) in its latest version (1.3), Sid is using version 0.23, will i get in trouble by downloading the source and untarring? is there a special place where i should put these files? is there a debian way? |
| 16:11.07 | krummie | ohw cisee ... the 30 clients won't be able to upload all at once since it will be connected to a ADSL line with 4 Mbit downstream. |
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| 16:11.12 | Myon | limpio: have a look at the new maintainers guide for the Debian way |
| 16:11.45 | solemnwarning | anyone??? |
| 16:11.45 | limpio | Myon, ok i'll google for it |
| 16:11.59 | krummie | so cisee, to fill up the line... they wouldn't reach the max speed of the write part of the array. |
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| 16:12.13 | krummie | at least that's what I guess |
| 16:12.26 | cisee | krummie: basically, i'm curious how high above the potential max write it is, then look at cpu utilization |
| 16:12.49 | krummie | okay. but 256MB ram would be enough? or should I be doubling it to 512? |
| 16:13.21 | petemc | krummie: its safe to say, for most situations, more ram the better |
| 16:13.30 | solemnwarning | my machine has 6 USB ports, according to lsusb 4 of them don't exist but i know the ports work |
| 16:13.35 | solemnwarning | what should i do? |
| 16:14.00 | krummie | ok |
| 16:14.01 | cisee | i don't see ftp and ssh eating enough memory for swapping to be an issue |
| 16:14.06 | cisee | krum |
| 16:14.30 | cisee | write a script to upload locally to the ftp with 10 users, see how that treats the setup |
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| 16:14.42 | isorox | solemnwarning, use the ones that work :) |
| 16:14.45 | solemnwarning | ... |
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| 16:14.57 | solemnwarning | they are behind my machine and already have stuff in them -_- |
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| 16:15.17 | ATG | hi, im going to buy a new motherboard and cpu for use in my linux server, I need fast transfer speeds over my gigabit network. What Motherboard(chipset) got fastest and is best supported by debian? |
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| 16:15.40 | isorox | solemnwarning, does anything show iin dmesg when you plug a device into the other 4? |
| 16:16.11 | solemnwarning | no |
| 16:16.46 | Aronofsky | hi , im on testing, what is according to you the proper way to install vlc since it not available anymore from apt, should I get the dependencies from apt and compile the source or get it from sid repo doin pinning ? |
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| 16:17.11 | Ben__ | hey all |
| 16:17.26 | krummie | okay. Is there a GUI (webbased) which can manage ftp users using vsftpd? |
| 16:17.30 | chealer | Aronofsky: from sid. you don't need to do pinning |
| 16:17.33 | cisee | ATG: get the intel pro MT chipset, it supports 16k jumbo frames |
| 16:17.41 | chealer | !tell Aronofsky about esm |
| 16:17.49 | isorox | solemnwarning, how many usb controllers show up with lspci? |
| 16:18.01 | solemnwarning | 2 ports |
| 16:18.02 | Ben__ | i was wondering, I want to stream some media along my network with VLC, but my connection is dynamic. Is there a way i can have a static IP? |
| 16:18.08 | solemnwarning | oh, hold on |
| 16:18.11 | secher | ATG: I think your real bottleneck is going to be disk, not CPU. Afaik, even an old 486 will max 100TX lines. |
| 16:18.18 | solemnwarning | 3 |
| 16:18.48 | isorox | 3 controllers |
| 16:18.54 | ATG | ok |
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| 16:18.55 | bobbens | a pentium s 120 mhz cpu is 586 right? |
| 16:18.56 | isorox | 2 ohci and 1 ehci? |
| 16:19.08 | ATG | cisee: im looking to buy a mainboard with good onboard nick |
| 16:19.18 | solemnwarning | solemnwarning@infinity:~$ lspci | grep USB |
| 16:19.18 | solemnwarning | 0000:00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller (rev a4) |
| 16:19.18 | solemnwarning | 0000:00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller (rev a4) |
| 16:19.18 | solemnwarning | 0000:00:02.2 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller (rev a4) |
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| 16:19.19 | tziku | !tell tziku about sturtup |
| 16:19.21 | tziku | !tell tziku about startup |
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| 16:19.29 | solemnwarning | that was only 4 lines -_- |
| 16:19.39 | ATG | http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=184&model=493&modelmenu=1 |
| 16:19.41 | petemc | solemnwarning: you've been here long enough to know not to paste |
| 16:19.43 | ATG | how do that one work? |
| 16:20.04 | solemnwarning | fine, isorox join #flood for the "flood" |
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| 16:20.14 | ATG | intel 955x is pretty new, how is the support in linux? |
| 16:20.38 | Aronofsky | chealer, so its safer to do "aptitude -t unstable install vlc" rather than "aptitude install vlc/unstable" |
| 16:20.48 | solemnwarning | isorox? |
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| 16:21.41 | ATG | cisee: whats the difference between the intel pro MT1000 and intel pro GT1000? |
| 16:22.16 | chealer | Aronofsky: I don't use aptitude. I'd use # apt-get -t unstable install vlc; |
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| 16:22.22 | Miguelzinho | where would be the right place to put backup scripts? a more common place |
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| 16:22.57 | atillux | Merhaba |
| 16:23.01 | Aronofsky | chealer, yeah ok but still , better "apt-get -t unstable install vlc" than "apt-get install vlc/unstable" |
| 16:23.08 | solemnwarning | isorox: http://pastebin.com/513156 |
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| 16:23.35 | jelly | cisee: but to use jumbo frames they have to be supported on both sides. |
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| 16:24.07 | jelly | and on the switch, of course. |
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| 16:24.40 | bedo | Hi all |
| 16:24.42 | chealer | Aronofsky: I never tried the latter, not sure it works. the first will do what you want anyway |
| 16:24.43 | bedo | I'm trying to boot a self-made ubuntu distro, based on breezy, with a self-made preseed. It's going well, when it gives me an error like: check target/var/log/bootstrap fo details. But tjis file dowsn't exist! Any hints? |
| 16:24.47 | bedo | I'm trying to boot a self-made ubuntu distro, based on breezy, with a self-made preseed. It's going well, when it gives me an error like: check target/var/log/bootstrap fo details. But tjis file dowsn't exist! Any hints? |
| 16:24.53 | chealer | bedo: #ubuntu |
| 16:25.04 | solemnwarning | isorox??? |
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| 16:26.16 | Aronofsky | chealer, yeah it does work, the difference is that the first will download the deps in unstable wheras the second will, as far as possible, download the deps from your default repo ( testing for me ) |
| 16:26.47 | npx | ill never look at germans the same way after playing call of duty 2 |
| 16:26.55 | npx | the word brings to mind 88mm artillery |
| 16:27.11 | npx | i get sorta twitchy just thinking about it |
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| 16:27.46 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 16:27.49 | chealer | Aronofsky: yeah |
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| 16:28.19 | dvm1981 | npx: I have play the first version, it's really crazy |
| 16:29.09 | Aronofsky | chealer, but its maybe cleaner to get the deps manually from testing and the compile vlc myself rather than gettin somme package from testing and other from unstable , isn't it ? |
| 16:29.09 | npx | i disturbed my neighbor |
| 16:29.15 | npx | by screaming FUCKING KRAUTTTTTS DIIIIIIIIE DIIIIIE |
| 16:29.25 | dvm1981 | npx: Is this game ported to Linux? |
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| 16:29.34 | npx | Nah, but I bet it runs well in Wine |
| 16:29.52 | npx | it runs really well on the box I gave to my cousin, ti4200/xp2700+ |
| 16:30.09 | npx | so if you've got some decent hardware I don't think you'd have an issue running it in wine |
| 16:30.26 | chealer | Aronofsky: don't bother. dependencies will let you know if something's wrong. mixing different releases is only dangerous in more extreme cases, like for important packages and from really different releases. testing and unstable are too close |
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| 16:31.12 | Aronofsky | chealer, ok thx |
| 16:31.26 | dvm1981 | npx: My 3D here, is must i set it up, but i have try several times with fails, so no playing games at this moment in GNU/Linux |
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| 16:32.11 | npx | yeah? it's not very hard |
| 16:32.19 | dvm1981 | npx: But i will try i after in Wine. When my problem is solved. I hope there is a demo |
| 16:32.20 | npx | what kinda graphics card do you have? |
| 16:32.31 | npx | yeah, there's a demo (for 1 and 2) |
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| 16:32.45 | dvm1981 | npx: an ATI 9600SE |
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| 16:33.04 | npx | that shouldn't be a problem at all; what version of debian? |
| 16:33.17 | dvm1981 | :-) So trying the demo when resolved :-) |
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| 16:33.50 | zeballin3 | Can the grub that comes with debian (.97-3) read (boot to) the ufs2 file system (freebsd)? |
| 16:33.57 | npx | http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/VTK_OpenGL this should help you get your card working |
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| 16:34.05 | bibe | hi all. When I build my kernel(s), using make-kpkg buildpackage, make-kpkg complains about kernel-image-...-xen0 available in a list (of supported targets?) but not in the debian/rules file. Is there an easy way to compile xen-enabled kernels using make-kpkg? |
| 16:34.25 | npx | I'd try "the debian way" and if that somehow doesn't work, then the other method on that page probably will |
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| 16:34.46 | dvm1981 | npx: I seems that i must install and compile my own kernel 2.6.15 or so, i currently investigate how to build it, i must learn it ;-), i have try do it in the past, but can remember how to |
| 16:34.54 | eleazar_ | hi, is there a command to check my uptime? |
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| 16:35.03 | dvm1981 | npx: Looking at the website ;-) |
| 16:35.04 | cahoot | uptime |
| 16:35.06 | ronin | eleazar_: umm uptime |
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| 16:35.19 | npx | dvm1981, Nah, yuo just have to build the kernel component of the driver - you can do it with a stock debian kernel image |
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| 16:35.25 | ronin | or /quit |
| 16:35.44 | Ungy | ronin, cute |
| 16:36.04 | dvm1981 | npx: Yes, but i must learn howto and ... Because i can't remember howto. But that commes :-) |
| 16:36.09 | ronin | Ungy: well they did the /quit one before i did the smartass answer so it should be ok |
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| 16:36.19 | npx | I hope linux eventually gets around to having a stable ABI for this sort of thing |
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| 16:36.29 | npx | so hardware makers can just distribute a binary |
| 16:36.40 | chealer | npx: haha |
| 16:36.41 | zinx | npx: Linux is anti-stable-ABI |
| 16:36.45 | npx | I mean, I know that's antithetical to the spirit of the GPL etc |
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| 16:36.50 | zinx | npx: they don't have one because they want to not have one |
| 16:36.51 | Ungy | npx your asking a lot |
| 16:37.03 | npx | I'm not asking |
| 16:37.06 | npx | I'm hoping =) |
| 16:37.16 | Ungy | ahh a dreamer |
| 16:37.24 | zinx | more like delusioner |
| 16:37.27 | npx | ahhahaha |
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| 16:37.31 | jelly | npx: well, Linus explicitely said it's not gonna happen. |
| 16:37.34 | Eclipser | how do I redirect stderr and stdout to a file? |
| 16:37.46 | zinx | it's not that they don't want one... it's that they specificly want to *not* have one |
| 16:37.53 | npx | yeah, wanting an OS to allow 3rd parties to distribute binary drivers! MADNESS I SAY! |
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| 16:37.59 | bibe | Eclipser : command >file 2>&1 |
| 16:38.02 | eleazar_ | yeah, i tried uptime, but all i get is 12:36 up (thats the current hour) isnt a way to make it more detailed like, "this box has being up since january 1st etc"? |
| 16:38.03 | jelly | npx: Solaris has a stable driver ABI though. |
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| 16:38.17 | Ungy | npx such is life |
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| 16:39.03 | paxl | Euh.. can somone help me ?? what filesystem should I use to mount a filesystem on remote.. |
| 16:39.05 | Ungy | npx Linux as a community want to succeed but do not want to limit themselves in any way that might allow them to succeed basically they like to shoot themselves int eh foot |
| 16:39.09 | paxl | I have bug with shfs |
| 16:39.20 | jelly | eleazar_: maybe you switched it on today at 12am sharp? :-) |
| 16:39.25 | Eclipser | bibe, thanks, but it wasn't such a good idea after all :p |
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| 16:39.29 | Ungy | paxl what type of filesystem |
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| 16:39.43 | paxl | on the other side its a ext3 |
| 16:39.54 | npx | I vaguely understand Linus' reasoning, it seems more driven by ideology than practicality, though |
| 16:39.55 | paxl | I mount it using samba on my house |
| 16:40.00 | paxl | but when I'm not in.. |
| 16:40.03 | jelly | stupid xchat. |
| 16:40.03 | dvm1981 | paxl: nfs? |
| 16:40.04 | npx | but I can't bitch, linux rocks |
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| 16:40.31 | paxl | dvm1981: A nfs isn't a filesystem by itself ? |
| 16:40.32 | eleazar_ | jelly i dont think so, i have it as a file server, its been up since yesterday |
| 16:40.47 | Ben__ | Medvsdata |
| 16:40.58 | Ungy | npx yes but it won't gain wide user exceptance until users can install the latest hardware play the latest games and generally not have to do anything but click on a dialouge to be up to date |
| 16:41.04 | dvm1981 | paxl: I think not |
| 16:41.17 | jelly | uptime |
| 16:41.17 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.39 | npx | Ungy, Yeah; you end up with guys at the Debian project spending inordinate amounts of time e.g. building kludges around Nvidia's drivers |
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| 16:41.42 | dvm1981 | paxl: But i was thinking that you need it, so i had suggested it, i do not know what you know. |
| 16:41.43 | paxl | oki |
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| 16:42.14 | chealer | npx: what are you talking about? |
| 16:42.27 | npx | the 'debian way' to install nvidia's drivers |
| 16:42.48 | npx | every time I look at it I go godddddddd |
| 16:42.56 | chealer | npx: which guys are you talking about? |
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| 16:43.07 | Ungy | npx at least you don't use ATI like I do |
| 16:43.17 | afrosheen | Ungy: you don't use ATI...ATI uses YOU |
| 16:43.19 | npx | chealer, I don't know specifically |
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| 16:43.26 | chealer | npx: no surprise |
| 16:43.35 | npx | It was just an example |
| 16:43.50 | chealer | heh |
| 16:43.57 | afrosheen | we just had a lan party last week and every person with an ATI card had problems |
| 16:44.14 | rue_mohr | heh |
| 16:44.23 | Ungy | afrosheen, well it is better then the alternative that is Nvidia just wish ATI woudl have better driver support for non-windows systems |
| 16:44.26 | afrosheen | lucky for one guy we had an extra 6800 gt laying around |
| 16:44.28 | stew | if you are going to stick to open source drivers, ati is far better than nvidia |
| 16:44.35 | dvm1981 | afrosheen: Set my also on the list |
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| 16:45.11 | Ungy | afrosheen, I love my ATI card if I have a problem it is fixed wiht in a day or two |
| 16:45.18 | afrosheen | I don't care if the driver is triple DES encrypted as long as it's fast and plays games |
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| 16:45.25 | npx | afrosheen, amen |
| 16:45.31 | kspath | boo |
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| 16:46.08 | Ungy | afrosheen, well I care shit gets slow with that much encryption |
| 16:46.12 | afrosheen | lol |
| 16:46.14 | fatal__ | afrosheen: personally I like drivers that work better then drivers that are (supposed to be) fast. |
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| 16:46.24 | airox | hi |
| 16:46.48 | afrosheen | my nvidia drivers have always worked perfectly on every distro over the last 4 years, installing them is simple..nothing for me to complain about there |
| 16:47.00 | afrosheen | even my knoppmyth box worked like a champ |
| 16:47.05 | npx | I remember when I got a TNT2, back when it was hot shit, and every driver release kept getting faster |
| 16:47.06 | dvm1981 | afrosheen: idem here about Nvidea |
| 16:47.08 | raden | I setup nfs and have my client setup and i can read files just fine how do it set it up soo i can read and write to that drive and soo any user can read and write that has that mount ? |
| 16:47.09 | afrosheen | with a 5900 in it |
| 16:47.09 | chealer | afrosheen: you must be blessed |
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| 16:47.12 | npx | I became an nvidia fanboy at that moment |
| 16:47.41 | npx | I'm in the same boat as afrosheen; the installer from nvidia's site works great, you just rerun it whenever you upgrade your kernel |
| 16:47.48 | afrosheen | npx: hah, yeah I traded a sucker a voodoo banshee for a tnt2 and had the large texture support and 24bit texture support under quake3 |
| 16:48.01 | npx | afrosheen, hahaha noobs! |
| 16:48.04 | afrosheen | :) |
| 16:48.18 | dvm1981 | npx: Yes thats right |
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| 16:48.24 | Ungy | npx you mean back when nvidia was ugly as all hell and making drivers that forsake quality for speed just to prove they were faster then voodoo |
| 16:48.30 | chealer | npx: until you get an X upgrade, or a kernel upgrade |
| 16:48.44 | npx | Ungy, yeah; right before they bought 3DFX =) |
| 16:48.54 | dvm1981 | npx: about the installer of Nvidea, it really easy compared to ATI |
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| 16:49.26 | Ungy | npx, and for 2 years we were stuck with one crappy choice for a video card what a great time in history |
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| 16:49.35 | maq0r | Ungy: Wasn't that 3dfx? |
| 16:49.49 | npx | What are you talking about? Nvidia repeatedly raised the bar for 3D performance |
| 16:49.51 | Ungy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.59 | npx | there was simply nothing to compete with the geforce |
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| 16:50.00 | maq0r | I clearly remember Voodoo's not handling 32bits while TNT could handle 32 bits flawlessly |
| 16:50.23 | falkon | quick and easy question: I have to work on C++ projects on a SunOS UNIX station. If I compile with Linux's g++, will the simple simple programs run on unix? |
| 16:50.44 | Ungy | maq0r, no there was comeptitors they just sucked and they stayed ahead of the game they didn;t buy lie and cheat to get on top they were just first bell at the ball |
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| 16:51.04 | npx | falkon, will they run on the SunOS box? if you cross-compile and statically link them, or have the appropriate libraries on the SunOS box, then yeah they should work |
| 16:51.06 | maq0r | I clearly remember my TNT and TNT2 kicking Voodoo 3 arse |
| 16:51.10 | Ungy | maq0r, you are correct the only voodoo cards to do 32 bit were the 4 and 5 series |
| 16:51.14 | maq0r | looking even pretty |
| 16:51.23 | maq0r | prettier than voodoo's |
| 16:51.30 | falkon | npx: the only headers we're even using now are... math.h and iostream |
| 16:51.35 | kspath | sparc? ia32? |
| 16:51.37 | maq0r | Ungy heh, by the time 4 and 5 were out nvidia bought 3dfx |
| 16:51.39 | falkon | npx: this class is so boring |
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| 16:51.48 | falkon | it's like 10th grade all over again |
| 16:51.56 | Ungy | maq0r, really I cearly remeber running many tests from my home proving that not only was voodoo3 faster but looked better then the tnt2 |
| 16:51.59 | npx | falkon, hahaha I'm in my first semester at college too |
| 16:52.05 | maq0r | nvidia ALWAYS had better graphics than 3dfx; 3dfx could achieve better framerates at expense of graphic quality |
| 16:52.14 | maq0r | beg to differ |
| 16:52.19 | falkon | npx: so, will g++ compiled programs run on UNIX? |
| 16:52.41 | npx | falkon, If you statically link them, definitely |
| 16:52.51 | npx | dynamically linked? I'm not sure. |
| 16:52.52 | linuxfreck | falkon: most likely they will not. |
| 16:52.59 | Ungy | maq0r, hahah if you say so |
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| 16:53.04 | falkon | bah |
| 16:53.07 | falkon | thanks |
| 16:53.16 | linuxfreck | falkon: since sunos usually runs on sparc hardware with a completely different instruction set |
| 16:53.28 | npx | linuxfreck, you can cross-compile to support that hardware |
| 16:53.37 | maq0r | Let me browse around the web |
| 16:53.40 | npx | it's a pretty common thing, actually |
| 16:53.42 | linuxfreck | npx: sure you can |
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| 16:53.55 | maq0r | I clearly remember my TNT2 running 32 bit textures and looking so much nicely than my other Voodoo 3 |
| 16:54.11 | linuxfreck | npx: if you have a build environment for sparc/solaris |
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| 16:54.30 | maq0r | I could get so much better framerates on a Quake 2 looped demo using my Voodoo 3, but looked like ass lol |
| 16:54.43 | Ungy | maq0r, if you say so I remeber looking at the 32bit of tnt looking at the 16 of voodoo and going holy shit the 32 looks like absolute crap |
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| 16:55.10 | kspath | #ancient-graphics is looking for their conversations |
| 16:55.23 | Ungy | maq0r, then when the voodoo 5 5500 came out I looked and went ahh that is what 32bit is suppossed to look at nice |
| 16:55.32 | npx | linuxfreck, yeah, doing so shouldn't take more than about 20 minutes on a modern box with a decent net connection though |
| 16:55.46 | npx | it's a bit complicated, but not ridiculously so |
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| 16:56.23 | kspath | npx: I think linuxfreck was trying to indicate that a yes answer is a little too vague for most people |
| 16:56.32 | metaperl | whenever I boot up, I get the message "Superblock has modification time in the future... fsck required..." - should doing a touch on "/" fix this? |
| 16:56.40 | linuxfreck | that too |
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| 16:56.57 | npx | kspath, yeah, i guess im trying to indicate the opposite =P |
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| 16:57.17 | maq0r | Ungy depends on the game really |
| 16:57.17 | linuxfreck | npx: but the main point is that the required sunos libraries aren't available for download as packages, whereas the linux libs and utils are |
| 16:57.40 | maq0r | Some games said "32 bit textures!" but actually were crap, others had really nice 32 bit textures (Quake 2/3 and Tribes for example) |
| 16:57.41 | kspath | why bother just build on a sun box |
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| 16:58.05 | sepski | metaperl, no, you must do as the message say |
| 16:58.08 | linuxfreck | kspath: this is what I would have suggested, if he hadn't left |
| 16:58.25 | npx | linuxfreck, ahh - you missed the bit about "the only headers we're even using now are... math.h and iostream" ? |
| 16:58.35 | sepski | metaperl, dont be afraid of fsck, fsck is your friend !! |
| 16:58.37 | metaperl | sepski: that doesnt help... I manually simply set the date of my machine 10 years in advance and then type init 6 and it boots up |
| 16:58.55 | metaperl | if I dont do this, i get the message over and over and it never boots up |
| 16:59.01 | sohmestra | why does the manpage for iptables describe a ROUTE target that the debian kernels do not support? |
| 16:59.12 | sepski | metaperl, you dont get the option to type root password and run fsck ? |
| 16:59.20 | metaperl | sepski: yes I do |
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| 16:59.31 | metaperl | sepski: then I type fsck / |
| 16:59.36 | linuxfreck | npx: which would mean that you have to get solaris libc and c++ libraries, and hope that they have libgcc.so installed in their sunos boxes |
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| 16:59.41 | metaperl | and then reboot but get the error again |
| 16:59.48 | jepler | Are the files in the debian/ directory of a source package considered "scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable" (part of the GPL v2 definition of "complete source code")? |
| 16:59.52 | kspath | npx: my fear is that people that know almost nothing are picking up bits and pieces that will confuzzle them but your mileage may vary |
| 17:00.09 | sepski | metaperl, humm saounds like what i did, but i think i did fsck /dev/hda1 or something, |
| 17:00.10 | npx | linuxfreck, or statically link the binary to a cross-compiled build of the gnu equivalents, which is what i was suggesting |
| 17:00.27 | npx | I'm not sure his teacher would approve |
| 17:00.31 | linuxfreck | npx: statically linking is deprecated and unsupported on solaris |
| 17:00.34 | jepler | I'm aware of a case where GPL software by group A has been packaged into .deb by B, who won't provide e.g., the debian/rules file |
| 17:00.34 | npx | maybe he'd get extra credit? who knows |
| 17:00.57 | npx | linuxfreck, It's deprecated everywhere =P |
| 17:01.03 | linuxfreck | its deprecated in linux, too. they just don't tell you |
| 17:01.05 | linuxfreck | right |
| 17:01.10 | jepler | I'm trying to figure out whether I'm right in thinking this does not satisfy the GPL. |
| 17:01.30 | npx | linuxfreck, man why are we even having this discussion? We're both right! |
| 17:01.37 | linuxfreck | npx: heh |
| 17:01.41 | npx | a simple yes/no didn't do the question justice |
| 17:02.12 | kspath | npx: sadly even "simple" things have so much depth |
| 17:02.27 | stew | jepler: do they not provide a .diff.gz? |
| 17:02.29 | zeballin3 | Can the grub that comes with debian (.97-3) read (boot to) the ufs2 file system (freebsd)? |
| 17:02.31 | zinx | jepler: it probably does not technically satisfy the GPL |
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| 17:02.57 | zinx | jepler: of course, it depends on how they're generating the .deb too |
| 17:03.15 | zinx | jepler: they may be doing something stupid like alien'ing an rpm |
| 17:03.21 | dvm1981 | I try to download the rpm of my ATI card, but when clicking on the driver download link : The document contains no data; |
| 17:03.22 | kspath | When someone is exhausted/tired/overworked than keeping things simple is always a safe bet in coding/security/administration |
| 17:03.32 | freebse | zeballin3: it can |
| 17:03.56 | jepler | stew: No, and there's no 'orig' in the tar.gz filename. The files probably came from a CVS tree. |
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| 17:04.23 | kspath | Of course simple is subjective also. argh... muh hed hurtz |
| 17:04.23 | jepler | zinx: I think they're building it from source; I don't think there are .rpms of this package at all |
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| 17:04.35 | freebse | dvm1981: rpm ain't debian, download might just not work at all the time, the file could have got removed or so |
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| 17:04.54 | jepler | "B" has said something about needing "dh_helper" and "m-a" to build it, but I don't even know what those are. |
| 17:04.59 | dav1 | hi, can anyone help me to dual boot windows and debian please? debian is on ide0 and windows is on ide3, i have 4 ide slots |
| 17:05.02 | stew | jepler: if there is no orig, and the debian/ directory isn't in the .tar.gz then they aren't building the package with debhelper |
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| 17:05.17 | freebse | dav1: get lilo and install it |
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| 17:05.28 | zinx | jepler: they're debian tools |
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| 17:05.39 | dvm1981 | freebse: I know, also 'alien' to try to get it work my ATI 3D |
| 17:05.41 | dav1 | does lilo work better than grub then? |
| 17:05.48 | slept | dav1, what is your problem |
| 17:06.04 | slept | davi, grub should work fine |
| 17:06.17 | freebse | dav1: it is easier to install from m y point of view |
| 17:06.24 | stew | jepler: if they used dh_helper then either a) there is an orig.tar.gz and a diff.gz, b) they debian/ directory is in the .tar.gz c) the .tar.gz is not the source that they used for building the .deb |
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| 17:06.28 | linuxfreck | jepler: ianal, but the gpl clause should apply: "For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable." |
| 17:06.29 | dav1 | what should i do to get grub to work? |
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| 17:06.56 | jepler | zinx: what package names do dh_helper and m-a come from? |
| 17:07.02 | sepski | dav1, install the grub package , run grub-install on the device of your choise and update-grub or something like that |
| 17:07.06 | amphi | dav1: what is ide3? |
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| 17:07.12 | bbls | hello |
| 17:07.26 | bbls | i want to report that there is no way to install from HDD with a boot floppy |
| 17:07.29 | jepler | zinx: or are those package names, and I'm missing something on my sources.list? |
| 17:07.34 | bbls | anyone succeeded this? |
| 17:07.36 | zeballin3 | freebse: will this work: |
| 17:07.37 | zeballin3 | title FreeBSD |
| 17:07.37 | zeballin3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.38 | zeballin3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:08.01 | ZiDaNe- | How to know which kernel modules which are loaded are not necessary, and remove them |
| 17:08.01 | stew | jepler: m-a is moodule-assistant, there is no dh_helper but there is a debhelper package that contains the dh_* suite of tools |
| 17:08.12 | dav1 | grub-install isnt a command, ide3 is my third ide slot on the mobo |
| 17:08.40 | sepski | !install grub |
| 17:08.41 | dpkg | apt-get install grub; zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz; IGNORE everything in the man pages and the info pages for now. |
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| 17:08.46 | wuming | is there any program to make htaccess, htpasswd for apache2? |
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| 17:09.00 | dav1 | grub is already installed, it comes with debian |
| 17:09.03 | stew | dpkg: grub-install is a command if you have the grub package installed |
| 17:09.03 | dpkg | ...but grub-install is already something else... |
| 17:09.08 | stew | err |
| 17:09.10 | freebse | zeballin3: it could work depending on your partitions, but if Freebsd is installed grub should find it automatically and make entries for it |
| 17:09.29 | rudenstam | dpkg: grup ? |
| 17:09.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grup is DAMN! IT'S GRUB |
| 17:09.31 | rudenstam | dpkg: grub ? |
| 17:09.31 | dpkg | from memory, grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 17:09.44 | stew | wuming: you can make a .htpasswd with the htpasswd program |
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| 17:09.55 | wuming | th |
| 17:09.57 | wuming | x |
| 17:10.32 | jepler | stew: OK, glad I found out what module-assistant is at least |
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| 17:10.55 | zeballin3 | freebse: No, FreeBSD will not install grub nor will I let it touch the MBR. I'll modify debian's grub menu.lst to either chainload or boot to kernel. Just wondering which was best. |
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| 17:11.25 | tuv | how can i know the exact reason for the error when i get "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" from apt-get? |
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| 17:11.43 | sk1993 | HOLA |
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| 17:12.54 | freebse | zeballin3: chaionloader is good if the booting system got an own bootloader, like Windos 2000 or so... FreeBSD got an own as well, but only if you installed it... I doubt it... so booting to kernel is a good choice |
| 17:12.55 | sk1993 | HELLO,I AM STEPHANIE |
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| 17:13.01 | astoria | HELLO STEPHANIE |
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| 17:13.08 | bbls | HELLo |
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| 17:13.26 | pattieja | hmm. I dpkg-buildpackage recompiled samba (from apt-get source samba) using --with-idmap and --with-shared-modules=idmap_rid, and winbind still tells me that it cannot load remote backend 'idmap_rid' |
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| 17:13.42 | brosiozzz | vlc is still unaviable on debian unstable ? |
| 17:13.56 | sk1993 | DO YOU NOW SPANISH |
| 17:14.21 | kspath | !debian-es |
| 17:14.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:14.29 | tuv | how can i know the exact reason for the error when "apt-get install -f" returns "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1"? |
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| 17:14.44 | dav1 | i'm still no further on |
| 17:14.55 | dav1 | hi, can anyone help me to dual boot windows and debian please? debian is on ide0 and windows is on ide3, i have 4 ide slots |
| 17:15.05 | kspath | sk1993: know not now |
| 17:15.15 | astoria | dav1: do you have a boot loader? |
| 17:15.19 | tuv | dav1: what is your problem? |
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| 17:15.43 | kspath | sk1993: know is pronounces just like spanish no |
| 17:15.45 | dav1 | i have grub installed, but i dont know how to get it to dual boot with windows |
| 17:15.58 | brosiozzz | vlc is still unaviable on debian unstable ? |
| 17:16.05 | freebse | dav1: apt-get install lilo :) should work fine and lilo-config and coose automatic install will do exactely what you wanted |
| 17:16.33 | astoria | i heart lilo |
| 17:16.38 | tuv | dav1: if you installed debian after windows, grub should have detected your windows and added an entry for it in grub configuration.. did that happen? |
| 17:16.43 | freebse | dav1: or with grub, but this is harder, because grub is more powerfull but not this easy to set up like lilo |
| 17:16.44 | kspath | espanol hispana no |
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| 17:18.47 | freebse | freebse: remove grub before if you plan to install lilo |
| 17:18.59 | zeballin3 | freebse: I believe that freebsd will install it's own boot loader on it's root. But I don't know... until I try to install it and see. |
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| 17:19.38 | tuv | how can i know the exact reason for the error when "apt-get install -f" returns "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1"? better yet: how can i fix this situation? |
| 17:19.53 | pattieja | ??????!!!!! the idmap_rid.so file was built in /usr/src/samba-3.0.14a/debian/tmp/usr/lib/samba/idmap/idmap_rid.so but was not copied into the filesystem when I installed the samba .deb package built from that process |
| 17:19.55 | dav1 | lilo-config command not found |
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| 17:20.12 | dav1 | no grub didnt find my windows installation when i installed debian |
| 17:20.17 | raden | does debian have less GUI crap than SUSE ? |
| 17:20.18 | stew | tuv: you fix the packagename.postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 17:20.21 | freebse | zeballin3: it will give you a choice what you want to do during installation, you can install the freebsd boot loader, you can install grub (which will include any other OS on your box) or do nothing (do nothing off course is not the best choice here) |
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| 17:20.40 | stew | raden: as much or as little as you desire |
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| 17:21.00 | raden | hmmm.... |
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| 17:21.07 | raden | im sick of yast |
| 17:21.29 | dav1 | freebse:lilo-config command doesnt exit |
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| 17:21.46 | dav1 | tuv: it didnt find my windows installation |
| 17:21.58 | stew | dav1: why do you want to use lilo instead of grub? |
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| 17:22.12 | shay|wifi | hey there |
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| 17:22.16 | dav1 | i'll use whatever, so long as it works |
| 17:22.47 | dvm1981 | dav1: Use GRUB instead of lilo |
| 17:22.48 | zeballin3 | freebse: well, I know I don't want the MBR on sda1 messed with. So what is the correct choice in the install? |
| 17:22.49 | dav1 | i have both lilo and grub installed, i'm hoping someone can tell me how to get one of them, or some other program to work |
| 17:22.50 | stew | dav1: look at /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/ , look at the windows exaples, put one at the end of /boot/grub/menu.lst and edit the root (hd0,1) line to point to the appropriate hd |
| 17:22.56 | tuv | dav1: you said windows is on ide3? does ide3 have a single partition? |
| 17:23.11 | dvm1981 | dav1: Someone have say you to not install the both |
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| 17:23.43 | dav1 | u mean root(hdx,0), make..., save.., chainloader +1, that dont work |
| 17:23.53 | stew | dav1: you may need to also edit /boot/grub/device.map to create a (hd2) /dev/hdc or whatever dev your windows is on |
| 17:23.54 | tuv | ide3 is hdc or hd2 i suppose.. isn't it? |
| 17:23.59 | dav1 | tuv: it has 2 or 3 partitions |
| 17:24.06 | freebse | zeballin3: install grub in MBR... from FreeBSD, I did that 100x and allways worked and included any LInux Installation |
| 17:24.12 | dav1 | ide3 is hdg, or hd2 |
| 17:24.17 | stew | dav1: why doesn't it work, what did you put for hdx? does it appear in device.map? |
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| 17:24.22 | pattieja | I copied the idmap_rid.so file into place, and now winbind works perfectly |
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| 17:24.27 | vin` | dav1: info grub, look at map |
| 17:24.30 | dav1 | i put hd2 |
| 17:24.41 | stew | dav1: is hd2 in the device.map? |
| 17:24.49 | tuv | dav1: did you try what stew suggested? (grub docs) |
| 17:24.52 | dav1 | it sees two devices, hd1 and hd2 |
| 17:25.11 | david2 | how do i view a package descriptioin before install from the command line? |
| 17:25.19 | stew | dav1: what is hd2 mapped to? |
| 17:25.30 | freebse | dav1: liloconfig or liloconf ... Does anyone know the exact command for the setup dialog of lilo |
| 17:25.32 | dav1 | my windows drive |
| 17:25.44 | stew | freebse: /usr/bin/editor /etc/lilo.conf |
| 17:25.55 | stew | dav1: which /dev entry? |
| 17:26.00 | thingfish | david2: apt-cache search can provide good info. |
| 17:26.00 | zeballin3 | freebse: I don't know if I want to keep FreeBSD so that is why I don't want to mess with MBR. Not sure how to reinstall grub to MBR once back in debian. |
| 17:26.14 | dav1 | hdg? if u want me to type commands, u'll have to tell me what to do |
| 17:26.16 | zeballin3 | must be easy. |
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| 17:26.39 | freebse | zeballin3: this should not be aproblem, if you remove it, you can allways write grub from linux again |
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| 17:26.55 | stew | dav1: how did you determine hdg did you look at the device.map? |
| 17:27.00 | dvm1981 | dav1: If you would like, i have posted... http://pastebin.com/513254 |
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| 17:27.10 | freebse | stew: no there is a command which gives you a small programm that sets up lilo, like pppoeconfig |
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| 17:27.11 | dav1 | i mounted the drive using hdg |
| 17:27.20 | dav1 | and fdisk -l hdg |
| 17:27.27 | tuv | dav1: did you add "savedefault makeactive chainloader +1" to windows' entry in menu.lst? |
| 17:27.32 | dav1 | yes |
| 17:27.34 | stew | dav1: check the device.map |
| 17:27.46 | freebse | stew: sorry for aksing dumb wquestions, but I am not using lilo... i gonna search for that command |
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| 17:27.54 | dav1 | how do i do that? if u want me to check somethin, u need to tell me what to do? |
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| 17:28.14 | tuv | dav1: who are you talking to? |
| 17:28.18 | SpComb | I'm haveing a bit of trouble with trying to change the partitions on my hard drive, I've pastebinned the error from cfdisk and fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/513255, if anyone has a clue what causes that error (I don't see any overlap myself) |
| 17:28.20 | stew | dav1: you don't know how to look at a file? |
| 17:28.25 | stew | freebse: one may exist but i dont' know of one |
| 17:28.28 | dav1 | which file? |
| 17:28.34 | zeballin3 | freebse: do you happen to know the grub command to reinstall it off hand? |
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| 17:28.49 | stew | 12:24 < stew> dav1: you may need to also edit /boot/grub/device.map to create a (hd2) /dev/hdc or whatever dev your windows is on |
| 17:29.28 | dav1 | (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 17:29.28 | dav1 | (hd1) /dev/hdg |
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| 17:30.04 | dvm1981 | dav1: Have you look on the posted menu.lst that i have send? |
| 17:30.27 | stew | dav1: so you see your problem now? |
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| 17:31.20 | SpComb | Hmm, I should have googled before asking... |
| 17:31.32 | SpComb | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2003/12/msg01637.html how rare |
| 17:31.38 | dav1 | dvm1981: that file doesnt work for me |
| 17:31.52 | dav1 | stew: um, no whats my problem? |
| 17:32.04 | stew | dav1: you are referring to hd2 which isn't in the device map |
| 17:32.11 | dvm1981 | dav1: That's normal, personalise it to you're needs, it's a good example a hope |
| 17:32.36 | dav1 | dvm1981: personalising it doesnt help |
| 17:32.54 | paolob | Hi guys! my testing doesn't mount automatically the cd's, nor it recognize the camara. What could I do? thank you! |
| 17:32.58 | dav1 | stew: i said hd1 and hd2 when i meant hd0 and hd1, thats not my problem |
| 17:33.01 | dvm1981 | dav1: Try to figure out where you set the bad things |
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| 17:33.05 | xbaez | hello |
| 17:33.27 | stew | dav1: what happens when you try to boot into windows? |
| 17:33.31 | dvm1981 | dav1: Otherwise poste the ours and ask that someone would like to look at it. |
| 17:33.44 | tuv | stew: i ran /var/lib/dpkg/<packagename>.postinst manually and didn't get any output, but installintg/reinstalling returns an error! how do i find out what the error is? |
| 17:33.54 | dav1 | how do i post mine without getting kicked? |
| 17:34.16 | tuv | stew: /var/lib/dpkg/info/... i meant |
| 17:34.17 | dvm1981 | dav1: pastebin |
| 17:34.29 | dvm1981 | !tell about pastebin |
| 17:34.40 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 17:34.44 | dav1 | umm, what? |
| 17:34.45 | stew | tuv: which arguments did you pass the script when you ran it? |
| 17:34.48 | dvm1981 | !tell --about pastebin |
| 17:35.05 | dav1 | !tell --about pastebin |
| 17:35.10 | dvm1981 | not working and forget |
| 17:35.26 | Eulex | dh!tell dav1 about pastebin |
| 17:35.29 | Eulex | !tell dav1 about pastebin |
| 17:35.37 | Eulex | hrmph |
| 17:35.39 | dvm1981 | dav1: No needs to try it at this moment, i would like to ask on dpkg to tell you some things, but i fail |
| 17:35.48 | tuv | stew: i passed nothing :(, what do i need to pass? |
| 17:36.01 | dav1 | dvm: no idea |
| 17:36.01 | dvm1981 | Eulex: Ok it try it for my ;-) |
| 17:36.38 | dvm1981 | dav1: Have you see that there are another window openend ? |
| 17:36.46 | dav1 | why does everyon keep typing !tell? |
| 17:36.53 | dvm1981 | !tell dvm1981 about pastebin |
| 17:37.00 | stew | tuv: configure, did you look at the script at all? |
| 17:37.10 | Eulex | dvm1981, talk to dpkg in private. then you just need to say for example pastebin' to him. to display it in the main channel, do '!pastebin'. to tell another person about something, do '!tell nick about whatever' |
| 17:37.10 | phlak_user___ | they probab mean /tell |
| 17:37.21 | Eulex | phlak_user, we don't |
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| 17:37.58 | dvm1981 | Eulex: Hhhhmmm, doing some converstation with dpkg :-) he would like to tell me all :-) |
| 17:38.10 | dav1 | anyone got any ideas? |
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| 17:38.37 | Eulex | dvm1981, you can search his facts with 'listkeys whatever' |
| 17:38.52 | vin` | dav1: info grub, look at map |
| 17:39.04 | dav1 | vin? |
| 17:39.42 | StereoSkit | dudes a question, in /etc/network/interfaces can i set "auto eth0 .... " "auth eth0 ... " ? i want to establish a second route to the same interface |
| 17:39.52 | dvm1981 | Eulex: I have try the last here, not working. Really thankx for THIS MEGA tip ;-) Asking with dpkg really crazy and nice :-) |
| 17:40.17 | stew | StereoSkit: if you want to add a second route, do it in an "up" line |
| 17:40.18 | Eulex | dvm1981, yw :) |
| 17:40.43 | StereoSkit | stew: excuse my ignorance, "up" line ? |
| 17:40.52 | stew | StereoSkit: man interfaces, look for "up" |
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| 17:41.08 | StereoSkit | stew: k, thanks |
| 17:42.06 | dav1 | hi, can anyone help me to dual boot windows and debian please? debian is on ide0 and windows is on ide3, i have 4 ide slots |
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| 17:42.06 | vin` | "If you have installed DOS (or Windows) on a non-first hard disk, you have to use the disk swapping technique, because that OS cannot boot from any disks but the first one. The workaround used in GRUB is the command `map'" |
| 17:42.25 | stew | vin`: he's trying to boot the first partition of a disk on another ide channel afaict |
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| 17:42.57 | amphi | dav1: the 2nd disk on the 2nd controller is known as (hd3) to grub |
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| 17:43.00 | phlak_user___ | we might have to establish which os he is able to boot |
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| 17:43.28 | dav1 | i tried map (hd0) (hd1) root ...., and map (hd0) (hd1), map (hd1) (hd0), .... and those with root before rather than after, the only output i get from some of them is error 13: invalid or unknown executable file |
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| 17:44.22 | dav1 | amphi: i have ide 0 which is hda which is hd0, and ide 3 which is hdg which is hd1 |
| 17:44.32 | dav1 | os is win2k pro |
| 17:44.52 | dav1 | on ntfs |
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| 17:46.03 | amphi | dav1: hdg? what do you mean by ide3? 4th controller? |
| 17:46.10 | sepski | dav1, grub have tab compleations, it should be relativly simple to locate the next bootable device |
| 17:46.22 | jc-denton | ubuntu rocks! |
| 17:46.29 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 17:46.29 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 17:46.32 | stew | jc-denton: troll elsewhere |
| 17:46.36 | ronin | jc-denton: ya for a coaster |
| 17:46.40 | ke6isf | !troll jc-denton |
| 17:46.40 | dav1 | amphi, i have 4 ide slots, numbered 0 - 3 |
| 17:46.52 | StereoSkit | stew: it worked smoothly, tnx :D |
| 17:46.57 | dav1 | sepski, thats not helpful |
| 17:47.13 | jc-denton | haha u just wasted 4 seconds with my stupid comment |
| 17:47.24 | ke6isf | !ops jc-denton |
| 17:47.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: jc-denton |
| 17:47.31 | stew | ...is a troll |
| 17:47.46 | amphi | dav1: then the 4th would be (hd3) ie. hdd, not hdg |
| 17:47.46 | ronin | jc-denton: and you just wasted 3 minutes of your life trolling on irc |
| 17:47.46 | kspath | !luser jc-denton |
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| 17:48.02 | sepski | dav1, i feel it's very helpful. since it's not allways easy to know what name grub gives a given partition. with tab compleation you can just try with tab and see who are available to grub |
| 17:48.38 | dav1 | not sure what ur on about, in the device map i have hd0 and hd1, as i said earlier |
| 17:48.40 | RichiH | hmm |
| 17:48.53 | RichiH | jc-denton: please stop |
| 17:49.05 | jc-denton | did i say anything? |
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| 17:49.37 | Eulex | I don't think he did enough to warrant an !op and a !troll |
| 17:49.45 | dav1 | amphi: its hdg, i mount it as hdg and it mounts fine |
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| 17:49.59 | amphi | dav1: o well, you've confused me |
| 17:50.13 | Eulex | or did he troll here some time before too? |
| 17:50.14 | kspath | jc-denton: perhaps move along to #ubuntu until you install a clean debian sarge or other.... |
| 17:50.26 | amphi | dav1: it mounts as hdg? you have no partitions on the disk? |
| 17:50.48 | dav1 | i would imagine that a is ide0 0 b is 0 1, c is 1 0 d is 1 1 e is 2 0 f is 2 1 g is 3 0 h is 3 1 |
| 17:50.53 | jc-denton | nope i already have sarge running |
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| 17:51.12 | kspath | jc-denton: oh cool, you are fine than |
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| 17:52.11 | FlimFlamMan | 1 * * * * www-data touch /tmp/eatme; cd /usr/local/bin; ./do-something |
| 17:52.21 | FlimFlamMan | any reason why that shouldn't execute every minute? |
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| 17:52.28 | FlimFlamMan | (in crontab) |
| 17:52.56 | dav1 | o it does it by partitions, then i have 5 or 7 partitions, depending on whether the ram partition is real, and the last windows one is real which i think it isnt |
| 17:52.57 | sepski | dav1 so you have linux on hda (hd0 in grub) and windows on hdg (hd1 in grub) what exactly is not working for you ? |
| 17:53.11 | dav1 | it wont boot windows |
| 17:53.23 | xbaez | someone know something about descompression of vanilla kernel, when i descompress kernel.tar.bz2 with tar xjvf it put 777 in all directories from the package ... is that correct ? |
| 17:54.23 | cahoot | xbaez: there was a thread on lkml about this a couple of weeks ago - you might look at that |
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| 17:54.37 | bhead | hi, does sarge support sata? |
| 17:55.04 | sepski | bhead, depends on chipset |
| 17:55.33 | bhead | sepski: ok, 2.6.8 doesn't support it then |
| 17:55.44 | bhead | are there newer netinstalls? |
| 17:55.52 | xbaez | thanks you cahoot |
| 17:55.53 | bhead | with newer kernels I mean |
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| 17:55.58 | cahoot | xbaez: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/5/106 |
| 17:55.58 | sepski | dav, well my other box is like yours i guess. with linux first and windows on a non primary disk, so i map them backwards for windows to be happy with map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 17:56.02 | Eulex | bhead, what sata chipset? |
| 17:56.31 | sepski | then it's a simple rootnoverify (hd1,0) and makeactive and chainloader +1 |
| 17:56.32 | dav1 | if i do that it gives me error 13: invalid executable or somethin |
| 17:56.40 | bhead | Eulex: how could I determine it? |
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| 17:56.57 | Licker | anyone here? |
| 17:57.02 | ronin | Licker: nope |
| 17:57.04 | dav1 | whats rootnoverify? shouldnt root work the same, cos that line doesnt give errors |
| 17:57.09 | Licker | :p |
| 17:57.14 | Licker | need some advice/help |
| 17:57.24 | Eulex | bhead, have you got any linux installed? |
| 17:57.31 | bhead | Eulex: yeah, ubuntu |
| 17:57.45 | ronin | bhead: so why ask here in #debian ? |
| 17:57.46 | Eulex | bhead, ok. lspci will tell you about the sata chipset. |
| 17:57.54 | bhead | Eulex: I'm on ubuntu but I don't like it very much |
| 17:57.55 | Licker | i went to start my Debian server up and it said.... Kernal panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 17:58.05 | bhead | ronin: cause I want to install debian no? |
| 17:58.07 | Eulex | ronin, he's asking if debian will support his sata chipset. |
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| 17:58.21 | ronin | Eulex: ahh missed that |
| 17:58.50 | sepski | dav1 root tells grub to load files from this partition, but grub dont know squat of ntfs, so you use rootnoverify to tell it where to go and chainloader +1 to go to there and run that partitions bootloader |
| 17:58.52 | Eulex | ronin, and I asked if he had any linux installed. he said yes, ubuntu. then I told him to check lspci. |
| 17:58.55 | Licker | anyone know what that means.. |
| 17:58.55 | sepski | (or something like that) |
| 17:59.03 | sepski | anyway you must use rootnoverify for windows |
| 17:59.35 | bhead | Eulex: the chipset is Intel Corp. 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03) |
| 18:00.01 | Eulex | bhead, ok. I've got exactly the same sata chipset here. |
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| 18:00.30 | Licker | is there a way to piggy back a linux drive to recover files from it?> |
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| 18:00.54 | amphi | Licker: 'piggy back' ? |
| 18:01.02 | bhead | Eulex: ok, I have tried the linux image and linux26 with no success. installer says that he can't find partitions |
| 18:01.05 | Licker | yea hummm.... make it a slave |
| 18:01.09 | Aid` | hey, how do i start up vncserver when my computer boots up?? I.E i dont even have to login and its running |
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| 18:01.21 | sepski | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 18:01.22 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 18:01.33 | Eulex | bhead, installing debian sarge will work, but only if you install with the 2.4.27 kernel instead of the 2.6.8 kernel. then after installing, just get the 2.6.12 kernel from testing and dpkg -i it. you will have to change hda to sda in /boot/grub/menu.lst too before booting 2.6.12. |
| 18:01.35 | sepski | bhead, use that image, it's a sarge installer with more recent kernel |
| 18:01.58 | jbroome | Aid`: x11vnc might do what you want |
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| 18:02.16 | bhead | Eulex: any hints? |
| 18:02.18 | Eulex | bhead, alternatively use the installer sepski pointed too, however, it's unofficial. |
| 18:02.26 | NOthsouth | I had a lot of broken packges on my apt .. how can I fix it ? |
| 18:02.39 | Aid` | jbroome: don't have to login for that to work? |
| 18:03.03 | zOap | I'm giving Martin and Andrew my support |
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| 18:03.27 | Licker | is there a program i can get to set my linux drive as slave and have windows read it? or is that not possible? |
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| 18:03.45 | Eulex | bhead, the linux kernel image should work. it did for me at least, and I know it worked for other people with the same chipset. |
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| 18:05.31 | sepski | bhead, if you configure your sata as legacy in bios you should be able to install using a sarge kernel. but then you would want to upgrade to a more recent kernel and go back to sata mode in bios afterwards and alter in grub and fstab, i feel the unofficial installer is quicker and less hassle |
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| 18:08.19 | syphox | heya... which service do i need to start to have rquotad running? |
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| 18:08.26 | lex_ | A question for you shameless geeks: How well do we support HyperTransport in Linux? Meaning: would i see a difference between equal procesors, one with hypertransport and one without. Another way to think about this question: Do we, in Linux, leverage thise hypertransport...erm...hype? |
| 18:08.34 | rue_mohr | rquotadd? |
| 18:08.37 | syphox | yea |
| 18:08.39 | syphox | for nfs |
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| 18:09.01 | syphox | NFS check failed. Service rquotad not seen |
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| 18:09.33 | bhead | Eulex, sepski thanks, I'll try tomorrow |
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| 18:13.10 | PupenoL | Can Etch's installer install Sarge ? |
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| 18:14.15 | sepski | PupenoL, if you only used the installer to get a kernel and a shell running and did everything else manualy perhaps... but i'd say no. why do you ask |
| 18:14.52 | adii | i've heard that one could use kde with unstable now |
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| 18:15.01 | adii | is that truE? |
| 18:15.02 | PupenoL | sepski: because I can't perform the install of Sarge with Sarge's installer under my 'particular' conditions. |
| 18:15.35 | sepski | PupenoL, and are you going to tell us your partiqular conditions or do you not realy want help ? |
| 18:15.47 | Doctor | debootstrap it :D |
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| 18:16.19 | terr | I need to ask a real newbie question with regard to a sound card and recording. THe sound card has speaker in jacks. DO these route directly to the speakers from say a stereo? If I want to record from the stereo how do I do it? |
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| 18:17.23 | nofear | terr, i'd imagine u put sterrio in the line in |
| 18:17.24 | Doctor | terr: stereo should have headphones or auxilary out for tape recording |
| 18:17.30 | nofear | and make sure line in is unmuted |
| 18:17.35 | nofear | and record from that source |
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| 18:18.06 | saintiss | hi |
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| 18:18.27 | terr | Doctor: nofear this is my brother's stereo and he's 400 miles away - I don't know what he has. |
| 18:18.32 | saintiss | I'm trying to enable ip forwarding here, by echoing 1 to /proc/net/ipv4/ip_forward, but the directory ipv4 does not exist |
| 18:18.35 | saintiss | why is that? |
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| 18:18.45 | nofear | ah. |
| 18:18.56 | umbop | hey yeh know with .htaccess files, if i have one in a /home/bob and another in /home/bob/a will it auth me twice once for bob directory then for a ? or would it only use the parent one then error? |
| 18:18.56 | stew | saintiss: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:18.57 | terr | But I'd like to ask on the sound card what the jacks are for... I do not have speakers on my system and I've never even recorded anything from a stereo. |
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| 18:19.32 | saintiss | stew: oh, thanks |
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| 18:20.01 | tziku | can someboy help me with this? : |
| 18:20.01 | tziku | /root/apache/httpd-2.2.0/support/apachectl stop |
| 18:20.01 | tziku | -bash: /root/apache/httpd-2.2.0/support/apachectl: Permission denied |
| 18:20.01 | terr | IIRC there are 5 jacks on the sound card: 2 speaker out - a mic out and a line in. WHat could have have plugged his stereo into because ti does play. |
| 18:20.03 | tziku | i am root |
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| 18:20.08 | stew | saintiss: if you wanted to set that permanantly, /etc/sysctl.conf would be the place, man sysctl.conf |
| 18:20.29 | Doctor | terr: sound on computer play on stereo? either of the speaker outs |
| 18:20.52 | terr | Doctor: how many are there? |
| 18:20.54 | stew | tziku: it needs execute permission |
| 18:20.59 | Doctor | probably the green one if its color coded |
| 18:21.06 | Doctor | terr: I thought you said there was two |
| 18:21.12 | saintiss | stew: right |
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| 18:21.15 | tziku | stew and how can i do that ? |
| 18:21.22 | stew | !wikifaq tziku Permissions |
| 18:21.22 | terr | Doctor: just one? Or are there two.? This is a soundblaster SB16 card. |
| 18:21.22 | dpkg | tziku: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:21.39 | Doctor | cos it depends on the sound card, SB16 should have two |
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| 18:21.42 | tziku | thx |
| 18:21.45 | terr | Doctor: I have a PCI version - he as a ISA version. |
| 18:22.22 | terr | Doctor - ok - lets say the SB16 (which is what he has) has 2 speaker outs - I know it has a mic in - what else does it have? |
| 18:22.32 | Doctor | terr: line in |
| 18:22.45 | Doctor | terr: well, also joystick/midi |
| 18:22.47 | terr | DOctor can you confirm 4 jacks? |
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| 18:22.48 | Eulex | Doctor & terr, even the oldest soundblasters supported stereo iirc |
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| 18:23.01 | terr | Eulex: I agree |
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| 18:23.35 | terr | Doctor: the joystick/midi is a DB15 or DB21 connector - something like that - a female as I recall. |
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| 18:24.58 | Doctor | heh the picture i found has 4 black jacks, the PCI version is at least color coded :) |
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| 18:25.32 | lex | Any kernel developers here? Question: is hypertransport supported by the kernel? What ethernet cards work fine with hypertransport in our kernel? |
| 18:25.35 | terr | Doctor: he confirms 4 jacks. speaker out, line-out line-in and mic-in also he has the DB connector |
| 18:26.09 | terr | Doctor so does the card "read" on the line-in or is that _just_ a patch to the speaker out? |
| 18:26.15 | Ak007 | guys ive installed apache2 and php-common libapache2-php but php is not working :( |
| 18:26.46 | terr | Doctor: ha! Back then things were in B&W |
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| 18:27.44 | Doctor | terr: cant see why line in wouldn't be recordable from |
| 18:28.03 | terr | Doctor: I dunno - I tought it would be. |
| 18:28.12 | Doctor | terr: might get mixed in with Mic input though |
| 18:28.17 | terr | Doctor: he ran KRec and it recorded nothing. |
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| 18:28.36 | gozz | hi |
| 18:28.38 | terr | Doctor: yes his stereo does play through his computer speakers. |
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| 18:28.46 | terr | s/yes/yet/ |
| 18:29.00 | Doctor | terr: does KRec know what its recording from? |
| 18:29.10 | terr | Doctor: I have mic plugged into mine and KRec works. |
| 18:29.19 | Doctor | terr: personally I've never attempted recording of audio in linux |
| 18:29.19 | terr | Doctor: I dont' see any options. |
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| 18:29.42 | terr | Doctor: I just tried it - it does work for me. mic in has to be mono |
| 18:29.57 | Doctor | eh it can be stereo |
| 18:30.15 | Doctor | but like where does one get a stereo mike? :) |
| 18:30.17 | terr | Doctor: are there 2 DPS's or 3 on the card - if one then it has to multiplex. I suppose they could sample say 96,000 times per sec |
| 18:30.45 | terr | Doctor: I've never heard of a stereo mic - I've heard of two mic's mind you. |
| 18:31.19 | Doctor | stereo mike would be a big mike base with one on each side on the inside |
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| 18:31.56 | terr | Doctor: that would make sense - still I've never heard of one - just like I haven't heard of a stereo phone. |
| 18:32.47 | terr | Doctor: we are still left with the question of whether a sound card can digitize what comes in on the line in jack (which is a stereo jack) |
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| 18:33.05 | Prudhvi | hmm. is it possible to install gnome2.12 on Debian etch? |
| 18:33.08 | Prudhvi | via apt |
| 18:33.18 | Doctor | terr: fiddle with a mixer application |
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| 18:33.44 | terr | Doctor: that is going to be his next project - He'll probably want to get that midi jack running too. |
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| 18:34.03 | azreal | is it normal to have to deal with no GPG key or something, causeing an install to complain about untrusted or unverified packages? |
| 18:34.21 | stew | azreal: /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 18:34.48 | syphox | heya... which service do i need to start to have rquotad running? |
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| 18:36.46 | helix | if I have a directory with several subdirectories and I want to bind mount all of them in a chroot (and they have matching directory name mount points there), is there any way to mount /all/ of them in one fell swoop? |
| 18:36.48 | sepski | syphox, perhaps /etc/init.d/quota or quotarpc? |
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| 18:37.53 | stew | helix: find . -type d -maxdepth 1 | while read a; do mount --bind $a /chroot/$a ; done |
| 18:38.14 | stew | oops but that will try to mount . |
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| 18:38.34 | azeem | I think 2.6.16 will have new features to this end |
| 18:38.40 | azeem | or are they in 2.6.15 already? |
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| 18:39.12 | stew | helix: so add a "-mindepth 1" as well i guess |
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| 18:40.22 | azreal | stew: thanx. |
| 18:41.08 | tziku | help? |
| 18:41.24 | tziku | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:41.39 | tziku | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/apache2 not found. |
| 18:41.39 | tziku | dpkg: error processing apache2-mpm-prefork (--remove): |
| 18:41.43 | dusty- | Anyone use sid? |
| 18:41.54 | azeem | dusty-: me |
| 18:42.07 | dusty- | azeem, Do you use a bittorrent client? |
| 18:42.12 | azeem | no |
| 18:42.15 | dusty- | drat |
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| 18:42.22 | dusty- | does azureus come in apt-get repo's under sid |
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| 18:42.50 | azeem | dusty-: see whether packages.debian.org/unstable/net/azureus exists |
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| 18:43.37 | dusty- | yay it does!! |
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| 18:44.01 | phyberoptix | [jimb0] |
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| 18:44.36 | stew | tziku: if you removed the init script by hand, it won't reinstall it, you will need to either purge and resintall apache2-common or reinstall apache2-common with confmiss, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:44.46 | terr | Doctor: still here? |
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| 18:49.09 | dvm1981 | On the website 'http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/VTK_OpenGL' there is an error 'ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-<ver>drivers/char/drm drm' must be 'ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-<ver>/drivers/char/drm drm'. Someone give me this url here |
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| 18:50.17 | stew | dvm1981: its a wiki, you should be able to fix it yourself |
| 18:50.19 | jjazz | dvm1981: It's a wiki. Why don't you fix it? |
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| 18:50.51 | dvm1981 | The both results does not work here. So adding the '/', i go to do it. But it not work here |
| 18:51.03 | dvm1981 | Re explain it |
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| 18:51.45 | combel | recommend me a good ftp app... |
| 18:51.53 | jjazz | combel: sftp |
| 18:52.04 | ke6isf | combel: sftp. |
| 18:52.08 | dvm1981 | On the webpage to create an symbolic link does work, thinking that 'drm' is not on my computer, but on the website there is an missed '/'. But when i add it, it also not work |
| 18:52.12 | combel | jjazz is a ftp server app? |
| 18:52.28 | jjazz | combel: No, it's a client. |
| 18:52.32 | ke6isf | dvm1981: That doesn't quite explain what you are actually trying to do. |
| 18:52.39 | combel | jjazz : oh sorry, i want a server |
| 18:52.46 | ke6isf | combel: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:52.56 | combel | ke6isf debian sarge |
| 18:53.10 | ke6isf | combel: proftpd works fine for unencrypted, otherwise for sftp, it's contained in the sshd. |
| 18:53.16 | jjazz | combel: ftp is regarded by most as horribly unsecure. If anon ftp will suffice for your purposes, take a look at oftpd. |
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| 18:53.22 | dvm1981 | Sorry, i have do a stupid thing, trying to ls, to get an symbolic link, bad, im bad, so now it's solved and go to add a slash on the Wiki |
| 18:53.25 | SimonRaven | Zugschlus: oh ok. just got your message (via reading the spool dir file... my MTA isn't delivering locally :(); that's quite the bug; is that an actual bug, or is there a re-build of exim needed? |
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| 18:53.40 | SimonRaven | Zugschlus: i was thinking a re-build might fix it, at least for now |
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| 18:54.50 | Eulex | dvm1981, you shouldn't do that. use the binaries provided by flavio stanchina, or if that doesn't work, compile it yourself from the source package provided by him. |
| 18:54.53 | Eulex | !ati drivers |
| 18:54.53 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 18:54.55 | bucky | jjazz: what version on debian are you using? |
| 18:54.57 | Zugschlus | SimonRaven: please fill me in on what you're talking about |
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| 18:55.16 | ke6isf | !info oftpd sarge |
| 18:55.18 | combel | ok thanks guys |
| 18:55.21 | bucky | jjazz: because oftpd isn't in my debian repository |
| 18:55.23 | dpkg | oftpd: (Secure anonymous FTP server), section net, is extra. Version: 20040304-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 18:55.36 | ke6isf | It's out there. |
| 18:55.38 | bucky | hmm.. not in etch |
| 18:55.42 | jjazz | bucky: I'm running different versions on different boxes. |
| 18:55.47 | dvm1981 | Eulex: hhhm 'flavio stanchina', that say me somthings, the deb that i have try and fail |
| 18:55.59 | dvm1981 | Eulex: ? |
| 18:56.07 | SimonRaven | Zugschlus: sorry... #348854 |
| 18:56.14 | Eulex | dvm1981, then tell us what you did and how it failed. |
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| 18:56.26 | Eulex | ke6isf, it's only in sarge and not in testing or unstable, which suggests that it is deprecated. |
| 18:56.42 | ke6isf | Eulex: Indeed, it does - but then I don't use it. =^^= |
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| 18:57.01 | ke6isf | dvm1981: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:57.02 | dvm1981 | Eulex: Yes thats right, i trying it after these new try here. I looking currently on http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/VTK_OpenGL |
| 18:57.17 | secureboot | is there an easy way to install debian over the serial console? |
| 18:57.19 | dvm1981 | ke6isf: On this machine Stable |
| 18:57.31 | Zugschlus | SimonRaven: downgrade mysqlclient15 to -4, as Andreas suggested |
| 18:57.55 | SimonRaven | yeh was going to |
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| 18:58.09 | Zugschlus | looks like nothing exim can do here, and I don't know zilch about mysql |
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| 18:58.25 | Eulex | dvm1981, http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html provides you with more than enough info to compile fglrx yourself if you need to. but why do you need to? how and why did the debs from stanchina fail? |
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| 18:58.51 | Agra | Aggra |
| 18:59.01 | blondie | Aggra to you too! |
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| 18:59.17 | ke6isf | Gesundheit! |
| 18:59.21 | Agra | blondie: sorry, my prompt for some reason is 'Nickname:' |
| 18:59.27 | blondie | o.o |
| 18:59.49 | dvm1981 | Eulex: Thankx to set my on the right way here, im in some troubles and must retry it from a good way :-) |
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| 19:00.18 | SimonRaven | Zugschlus: sorry, i was under the impression you were andreas |
| 19:00.28 | Zugschlus | SimonRaven: no, I'm Marc |
| 19:00.38 | dvm1981 | Eulex: But when i read the website you provide The first thing i see in bi 'ATI Linux driver packages for Debian (experimental, DO NOT USE)' |
| 19:00.47 | Wowbagger_ | Is there a recommonded gui for 802.11 configuration? I'm reasonable happy with just editing wpa_supplicant's config, but a gui might be nice. |
| 19:00.56 | dvm1981 | Eulex: So i not use it? |
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| 19:01.21 | larard | which package contains the 'play' command for playing .wav files? |
| 19:01.25 | SimonRaven | Zugschlus: ok |
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| 19:02.22 | stew | larard: "/msg dpkg apt-file" then apt-file search bin/play |
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| 19:02.54 | Eulex | dvm1981, sorry, he has changed his site radically. it doesn't provide half of what it did provide before. the versio he has there is the same as is in testing and unstable, so it should be safe. |
| 19:03.10 | larard | stew: Cheers! |
| 19:03.24 | Eulex | dvm1981, oh, found it: http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 19:03.43 | Eulex | dvm1981, that one gives detailed info on it. |
| 19:03.55 | dvm1981 | Eulex: Ok :-) Really thx for clarification :-) |
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| 19:04.30 | Eulex | dvm1981, but it provides binaries of an older version, so you should compile nevertheless. |
| 19:05.01 | Eulex | dvm1981, what version of debian are you on? |
| 19:05.06 | dvm1981 | Eulex: Stable |
| 19:05.14 | kspath | ARMAGEDON: When are you coming over to party. The whole world is missing you and waiting for you. |
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| 19:05.41 | dvm1981 | Eulex: If he give all the explainations to build it, i think (and hope) that it is not an problem to execute |
| 19:06.44 | dvm1981 | Eulex: I think just that i must correctly learn how to build an kernel before doing that, i will see were i fail now |
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| 19:07.57 | Goshawk | i've problem running reprepro, is this the correct channel to ask for help? |
| 19:07.57 | dvm1981 | Eulex: The docs seems to be compleet :-) |
| 19:08.03 | Eulex | dvm1981, you won't need to build any kernel. you will need the kernel source, though. |
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| 19:08.15 | Eulex | dvm1981, get the packages from http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/ and dpkg -i them. |
| 19:08.53 | dvm1981 | Eulex: yes |
| 19:08.55 | Eulex | dvm1981, umh, I didn't mean kernel source. kernel headers :) |
| 19:09.00 | pdbogen | Maybe if you spent less on twinkies you would have some monies. |
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| 19:09.28 | dvm1981 | Eulex: Go for headers |
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| 19:11.30 | dvm1981 | Pizza time, going to eat. Back in 30mins |
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| 19:12.05 | ezu | where can i find the deb entry for sources.list for the non-us testing ? |
| 19:12.52 | ke6isf | I'm looking for something resembling cron that will execute X applications. Does anyone know of such a beast? |
| 19:13.00 | sepski | !non-us |
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| 19:13.00 | dpkg | methinks non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
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| 19:14.18 | kspath | I always found that odd that you can get better security software overseas than here. Logic will not enter into it for probably another 2 decades. |
| 19:14.48 | Prudhvi | Backporting Howto ? |
| 19:14.57 | stew | Prudhvi: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:15.11 | starfishy | since when does logic enter into politics? |
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| 19:15.30 | kspath | When all of the pre-computer, pre-personalcomputer pre-network pre-internet people that have limited minds are all dead things might change a bit |
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| 19:16.30 | Prudhvi | stew, i am using etch not sid |
| 19:16.41 | starfishy | there are non-computer, non-personal-computer. non-network people born every day |
| 19:16.46 | stew | Prudhvi: the same procedure applies |
| 19:16.57 | eeyore- | kspath: you sound negative ... |
| 19:16.59 | kspath | starfishy: true enough |
| 19:16.59 | Prudhvi | stew, oh! Thanks |
| 19:17.02 | tyler | anyone here is currently in san francisco or san jose? |
| 19:17.09 | starfishy | im near san jose |
| 19:17.12 | starfishy | why? |
| 19:17.20 | bucky | kspath: imagine world peas |
| 19:17.20 | danieldg | ke6isf: cron can execute X apps, just set the DISPLAY variable, and you have to be logged in at the time |
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| 19:17.28 | starfishy | actually, right now im almost exactly between SF and SJ |
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| 19:17.36 | eeyore- | bucky: Benny Hill --- Piss on your pimples |
| 19:17.41 | Eulex | starfishy, most infants don't have a clue about computers :) |
| 19:17.44 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 19:17.47 | ke6isf | danieldg: How do I determine what to set the DISPLAY variable to, and how do I place that in the crontab? |
| 19:17.53 | starfishy | a lot of adults dont either |
| 19:17.54 | bucky | eeyore-: didn't benny hill die? |
| 19:18.04 | bucky | he's dead now |
| 19:18.14 | danieldg | ke6isf: if you're the only user, it's :0 |
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| 19:18.17 | eeyore- | bucky: he might have. last i watched his show was in late 80's |
| 19:18.21 | starfishy | it seems to become fashionable in certain circles to be clueless about technology |
| 19:18.27 | ke6isf | danieldg: Noted, thanks. |
| 19:18.48 | danieldg | ke6isf: put DISPLAY=:0 at the top on its own line |
| 19:18.54 | Eulex | ke6isf, echo $DISPLAY in a term. |
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| 19:19.08 | ke6isf | Eulex: Heh, narf. =O.o= |
| 19:19.14 | eeyore- | Eulex: invariably, that will be :0 |
| 19:19.20 | eeyore- | Eulex: :-p |
| 19:19.31 | ke6isf | eeyore-: In this case, :0.0 - is that different from :0? |
| 19:19.32 | Eulex | eeyore-, no. :0.0 |
| 19:19.38 | susperia | whats the best way to get latest and greatest kernel on sarge? |
| 19:19.39 | eeyore- | Eulex: same thing |
| 19:19.48 | Eulex | eeyore-, ok. |
| 19:19.53 | ke6isf | susperia: apt-get |
| 19:19.59 | eeyore- | ke6isf: :0.0 <- just a "screen", unless you have multihead it won't matter |
| 19:20.04 | sepski | susperia, safest way must be backports.org |
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| 19:20.23 | Eulex | susperia, define "latest". latest in sarge, latest binare available or latest released from kernel.org |
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| 19:20.27 | stew | ke6isf: set it to "w | awk '/$USER/{print $3}' | head -1" if you aren't sure if 0.0 is always going to be the correct one |
| 19:20.40 | eeyore- | ke6isf: the full form is <ip>:<display>.<screen> i think that's the terminology. anyhow, the part after the IP is usually :0.0 for vast majority of people |
| 19:21.08 | susperia | Eulex well, sarge latest binary is 2.6.8 and I would like 2.6.14 at least, or 2.6.16 |
| 19:21.19 | stew | ke6isf: actually there is an error in there, but you get the idea |
| 19:21.22 | Eulex | stew, worked with a small modification here. w | awk '/$USER/{print $2}' | head -1 |
| 19:21.23 | susperia | and its a production server, so i dont really want to swing to etch |
| 19:21.48 | ke6isf | stew: Sort of. That line doesn't actually return anything. That said, though, it's never going to be anything other than 0.0 |
| 19:21.50 | eeyore- | susperia: my production servers run on sid |
| 19:21.51 | stew | Eulex: should be checking that it contains a : it could be - if you are logged into console |
| 19:22.06 | sepski | susperia, but you want 2.6 ??? my production servers run 2.4 :) |
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| 19:22.08 | eeyore- | susperia: that extra oomph that sid provides. it's high octane. vroom. |
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| 19:22.17 | anton_ | is there a debian package for E-TeX? |
| 19:22.33 | ke6isf | Now then, how would I do that in an at job, rather than a cron job? This is, now that I think about it, a one shot run. |
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| 19:22.42 | Lin | Hi all, my ssh deamon is binding only in ipv6 protocol. Im using debian sarge, there is any tips? |
| 19:22.58 | danieldg | Lin: this isn't a proble, it will still accept on ipv4 |
| 19:23.00 | susperia | ok Eulex, sepski thanks guys ;-) |
| 19:23.05 | eeyore- | Lin: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 19:23.25 | Lin | eeyore-: it was working yesterday I havent changed anything on the configs |
| 19:23.27 | Lin | danieldg: isn |
| 19:23.32 | Eulex | susperia, for a 2.6.14 and 2.6.14 kernels, download the kernel source from ftp.debian.org. for a 2.6.16 kernel, you'd have to get the kernel source from kernel.org and then compile. |
| 19:23.37 | Lin | danieldg: isn't accepting ipv4 connections. |
| 19:23.46 | Lin | but I will test anyway, brb |
| 19:23.50 | eeyore- | Lin: "was working" "nothing changed" is a weak argument |
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| 19:24.02 | eeyore- | Lin: after all, it "worked yester" and "today isn't yesterday" |
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| 19:24.27 | Eulex | susperia, sorry, forget what I said. backports.org provides backports. http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 19:24.38 | Lin | eeyore-: im not a newbie on unix administration. Talk the I havent done anything is weird. I will check the file time stamps |
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| 19:24.57 | eeyore- | there's a 2.6.16 now? what did it fix? i hope it fixes funny issues with ieee1394 |
| 19:25.03 | Eulex | susperia, for 2.6.14 and 2.6.25, that is. |
| 19:25.19 | Eulex | eeyore-, it's just rc1 so far. |
| 19:25.22 | eeyore- | Eulex: 2.6.25? are you a time traveler? |
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| 19:25.39 | Eulex | eeyore-, typo. s/25/15/ |
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| 19:25.59 | Lin | eeyore-: last change was at 2005-12-07 |
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| 19:26.23 | eeyore- | Lin: the config file might not have changed. however the binaries themselves might have (and any defaults) |
| 19:26.33 | susperia | Eulex cool. maybe its better i just swing to etch (if thats possible) |
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| 19:26.47 | Lin | eeyore-: even the binaries has the same change time stamp |
| 19:26.48 | eeyore- | Lin: so it could still be both true that (a) config haven't changed and (b) defaults have changed, and it would follow that (c) things break |
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| 19:26.54 | Lin | eeyore-: access and modify are not the sam. |
| 19:27.18 | stew | Lin: what ipv6 address is it binding to? if its :::, its going to accept ipv4 connections |
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| 19:27.21 | Eulex | susperia, of course it's possible, but you shouldn't do that on a production server. you shouldn't even run a newer kernel than is provided in sarge, if you can avoid it. |
| 19:27.30 | Lin | eeyore-: (c) things break are the possibility. |
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| 19:27.47 | kspath | http://community.webshots.com/photo/367067334/367073546aLJZmW |
| 19:27.48 | Lin | stew: I havent configured any ipv6 adresses only default loopback. |
| 19:27.49 | susperia | Eulex ok, ill take that as advice |
| 19:27.58 | stew | Lin: same here, and I have no problems |
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| 19:28.27 | netbrain | uhm, what is the package that contains the rm command.. for some reason rm doesnt work anymore, i only get the response unknown option |
| 19:28.32 | Lin | I will update the packages to test |
| 19:29.09 | Eulex | netbrain, coreutils |
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| 19:29.22 | quitte | the quake factoid is broken. does someone know where to get quake debs? |
| 19:29.23 | worthy | hello |
| 19:29.28 | netbrain | thanks |
| 19:29.33 | Eulex | !quake |
| 19:29.33 | dpkg | i heard quake is one of the few decent games for linux! Test packages of quake (including glquake) are aptable from "deb http://www.debian.org/%7Eknghtbrd/ quake/" or game that makes you puke;; newbies' guide for quake here: http://www.cheatersguild.com/quake/strategyguide.htm |
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| 19:30.10 | jrgl | hi, everybody |
| 19:30.40 | Eulex | quitte, yep, broken |
| 19:30.45 | worthy | does linux have a "registry" somewhere like windows does? |
| 19:30.49 | quitte | Eulex: ~knghtbrd or knightbird dont exist |
| 19:30.59 | Eulex | worthy, no. |
| 19:31.00 | astoria | worthy: no, but it has a set of configuration files. |
| 19:31.09 | astoria | worthy: found in /etc |
| 19:31.09 | Gathond | worthy: luckily no |
| 19:31.17 | Eulex | quitte, yep |
| 19:31.21 | terr | Eulex: do you ahve any xperiance using KRec? |
| 19:31.32 | worthy | ok, thanks |
| 19:31.38 | Gathond | worthy: although I think gnome has some directory structyre for configuration stuff that wants to be like that POS |
| 19:31.45 | Eulex | terr, that's *shudder* some kde app? |
| 19:31.49 | worthy | which folder would have my gaim messenger conf file? |
| 19:31.54 | terr | Eulex: yup |
| 19:32.03 | stew | worthy: ~/.gaim |
| 19:32.04 | Eulex | worthy, check yer dot-files. |
| 19:32.04 | worthy | what is POS |
| 19:32.06 | jjazz | worthy: ~/.gaim |
| 19:32.08 | Eulex | !pos |
| 19:32.09 | dpkg | pos is, like, defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale |
| 19:32.10 | terr | Eulex: I think the problem is selecting the input channel. |
| 19:32.14 | jrgl | I'm trying kernel 2.6.15 from the package, linux-image-2.6.15-1-686. The IDE DMA doesn't start as default, and I couldn't open it.. |
| 19:32.14 | worthy | oh ok |
| 19:32.17 | worthy | thanks :-) |
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| 19:32.28 | Eulex | terr, well, I at least haven't got any experience with it. |
| 19:32.31 | terr | haha - if its m$ then POS = POS |
| 19:32.35 | jrgl | I was wondering if this is a known bug |
| 19:32.39 | quitte | i have quakeforge installed. can that be used for singleplayer somehow? |
| 19:32.40 | netbrain | how can i force the installation of coreutils? |
| 19:32.44 | stew | jrgl: its a known bug with yaird, switch to initramfs-tools |
| 19:32.48 | lwolf | hi, i'm looking for the /etc/init.d/iptables script.. I don't know which package i need to install it . Can someone help me ? |
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| 19:32.58 | jrgl | Stew: ok..Thanks |
| 19:33.00 | stew | jrgl: use mkinitramfs to rebuild the initrd |
| 19:33.00 | Eulex | lwolf, use apt-file. |
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| 19:33.30 | jrgl | stew: ok..Thank you very much |
| 19:33.35 | bucky | lwolf: /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitscript.gz |
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| 19:34.21 | bucky | lwolf: make that /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz forgot the 'd' |
| 19:34.58 | lwolf | thanx bucky ;) |
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| 19:35.06 | bucky | np |
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| 19:36.56 | nomad_cz | Hi. Could u please tell me which dhcp server I should use in Sarge ? I have dhcp package up and running but with strange DHCPINFORM records in logs ... :/ Is dhcp3-server better choice ? |
| 19:37.08 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: yes. |
| 19:37.15 | lwolf | thanx bucky, just what i need |
| 19:37.17 | lwolf | bye all |
| 19:37.26 | worthy | someone had me banned from a room on paltalk (a windows program) and i don't know how to unban myself on linux :-( |
| 19:37.30 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: DHCPINFORM is pretty normal though, but many clients don't do anything with it. |
| 19:37.30 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 19:38.18 | jrgl | Intalling initramfs-tools needs to remove hotplug, but ipw2100 couldn't work without hotplug... |
| 19:38.51 | astoria | worthy: if you're banned, there's probably nothing you can do on your end. |
| 19:38.57 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: I see. I have log full of DHCPINFORM and server should send DHCPACK if I am right but there is written in readme that this support is not included yet. So I guess I will switch to dhcpd3. Thanks a lot ... |
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| 19:39.13 | stew | jrgl: udev will do the firmware loading that hotplug is doing for you now, just make sure the firmware is in /lib/firmware not in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
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| 19:39.38 | jrgl | stew: really!! It's a good new |
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| 19:40.07 | stew | jrgl: or, if you don't want udev, check the BTS for yaird, i beileve there is a workaround there, but the workaround didn't seem to work for my via ide chipset |
| 19:40.19 | worthy | no conf file for my gaim messenger anywhere? astoria |
| 19:40.56 | worthy | i looked in .gaim and there isn't an rc file |
| 19:41.07 | worthy | i think to unban myself it's in an rc file somewhere |
| 19:41.17 | stew | worthy: there are a bunch of xml files there |
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| 19:41.28 | abrotman | perhaps in .gnome or .gnome2 ? |
| 19:41.30 | worthy | where stew |
| 19:41.38 | jrgl | stew: So it's a bug of yaird...I keep looking for this bug in the kernel package |
| 19:41.47 | stew | worthy: ~/.gaim |
| 19:41.53 | nomad_cz | Thanks and bye ... |
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| 19:42.15 | mischko | How do I remove a package and config files completely? |
| 19:42.20 | worthy | ok going back to ~/.gaim |
| 19:42.32 | susperia | mischko purge |
| 19:42.39 | stew | jrgl: yeah, yaird is loading ide_generic before your actual ide driver, and so ide_genric won't let you do anything fancy like dma, you need to hack yaird to make ide_generic load after the ide driver (or switch to mkinitramfs which isn't broken) |
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| 19:44.19 | Kurtism | when will Sarge have posfix 2.2 series |
| 19:44.20 | mischko | Thanks Sunblade |
| 19:44.28 | Kurtism | right now I'm only seeing blerry 2.1.5 |
| 19:44.28 | mischko | Thanks susperia |
| 19:44.33 | Gathond | Kurtism: never |
| 19:44.41 | astoria | worthy: an rc file? what are you trying to do with gaim? |
| 19:44.47 | Gathond | Kurtism: etch might have it whenever its released though |
| 19:44.50 | stew | Kurtism: stable never gets new versions, only security fixes |
| 19:44.56 | Eulex | Gathond, etch already has it. |
| 19:45.08 | Gathond | Eulex: then it definetly will:) |
| 19:45.16 | jrgl | stew: Thanks for your explanation..It's really helpful |
| 19:45.17 | Eulex | Gathond, yep |
| 19:45.24 | Gathond | Eulex: that or a later version anyway |
| 19:45.26 | stew | jrgl: you're welcome |
| 19:45.39 | Eulex | Gathond, yep |
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| 19:46.13 | Cope | I've just completed a sid install, but on reboot I don't get the normal grub screen with choice of kernels, I just reach a grub prompt, and interactively I am unable to locate a kernel on the system. What's the recommended way to get a kernel into place on a system without a kernel?! |
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| 19:46.31 | worthy | astoria: someone finally came out with a paltalk plugin for gaim. to edit this plugin that would make me unbannable/unbouncalbe. paltalk is an audio video chat/messenger for windows. paltalk said they would never make a program for linux, but programmers managed to make it possible. |
| 19:46.59 | astoria | so you're trying to find this plugin? |
| 19:47.02 | worthy | i always thought that if there was a paltalk for linux, then we would never be able to be banned b/c that is a registry issue |
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| 19:47.18 | worthy | i have the plugin loaded in my gaim |
| 19:47.30 | spyd3r | is this a place i can get a shell account from somebody |
| 19:47.39 | worthy | im on paltalk now but im banned from a room :-( |
| 19:47.46 | Gathond | spyd3r: Im betting no |
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| 19:47.54 | jan_ | hello! |
| 19:47.56 | pipeline | spyd3r: Begging for shells is something that will get you banned from this room rather quickly. |
| 19:48.05 | abrotman | Cope: a rescue/live CD |
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| 19:48.16 | worthy | what is begging for shells |
| 19:48.16 | abrotman | spyd3r: it most certainly is not |
| 19:48.21 | dondelelcaro | worthy: we can't help you with that; if it's this network, ask #freenode. |
| 19:48.29 | abrotman | worthy: ever watched charlie brown? |
| 19:48.30 | spyd3r | oh sorry, someone from #linux told me to come here yesterday |
| 19:48.33 | worthy | it's not irc |
| 19:48.39 | abrotman | spyd3r: they're a dirty liar ) |
| 19:48.40 | spyd3r | sorry about that |
| 19:48.40 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:48.46 | worthy | yes i like charlie brown |
| 19:48.47 | Cope | abrotman: rescue option from debian netinstall disk? |
| 19:48.53 | astoria | worthy: they ban you by editing your registry?? |
| 19:49.03 | rommy02 | Well, I've downloaded mplayer, and am trying to assemble a deb package for it using "fakeroot debian/rules binary" - however it is complaining about no awk implimentation, and suggests gawk |
| 19:49.04 | abrotman | Cope: i find it hard to blieve you have no kernle .. did you try to use grub to find it ? |
| 19:49.05 | astoria | worthy: some great ideas they got over there... |
| 19:49.05 | worthy | astoria: no |
| 19:49.18 | worthy | it's a sophisticated chat program |
| 19:49.22 | worthy | audio/video chat |
| 19:49.30 | worthy | it's rated #1 |
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| 19:49.44 | astoria | and if you edit the gaim plugin you can be unbannable?? |
| 19:49.46 | ronin | #1? rated by whom as #1 |
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| 19:49.54 | abrotman | !best irc client |
| 19:49.54 | dpkg | i heard irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 19:49.57 | abrotman | the bot knows ... |
| 19:49.57 | astoria | #1 rated by worthy, himself :) |
| 19:49.58 | worthy | a windows program but a linux genius made a plugin that allows linux users to have paltalk on linux |
| 19:50.03 | rommy02 | so, I loaded up synaptic - and I had mawk installed - however gawk was not installed, so I installed it, successfully, and re-ran the fakeroot command. I still get the same error |
| 19:50.11 | worthy | rated by editors choice |
| 19:50.26 | Cope | abrotman: yes - kernel (tab) |
| 19:50.28 | astoria | I've never even heard of it.. |
| 19:50.34 | eeyore- | oooh, after running kernel 2.4.22 for almost two years i got bitten by the OOM just now :-p dang. the machine has 128MB physical memory and 128MB swap. the swap is v0 ... that's how old the thing is :-) |
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| 19:50.42 | worthy | most linux peeps never heard of it |
| 19:50.44 | Cope | abrotman: I can navigate the fs, but there is no kernel image to be found. |
| 19:50.45 | abrotman | Cope: and you specified a partition |
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| 19:50.48 | Gathond | worthy: so rated by some old people incapable of using anyghing but their old MAC OS9 :) |
| 19:50.49 | abrotman | worthy: must not be that good then |
| 19:50.50 | eeyore- | v0 swap ... man |
| 19:50.54 | jjazz | paltalk isn't free |
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| 19:51.00 | ronin | how good can it be then worthy |
| 19:51.03 | worthy | they have a linux room on paltalk too, for those who are on paltalk through vmware |
| 19:51.07 | abrotman | jjazz: isn't free speech or beer? or either? |
| 19:51.16 | worthy | they audio/video chat there instead of irc |
| 19:51.17 | abrotman | worthy: we don't care about paltalk .. can you stop now? |
| 19:51.31 | worthy | but i don't want to ask them :-( they made the plugin and will get mad at me |
| 19:51.31 | jjazz | abrotman: It's free as in beer (tho there might be ads), but not as in speech. |
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| 19:51.36 | Alexandar | lo , was it a bad idea to do "Apt-get remove kde*" ? i use xfce4 as my frontend gui =x |
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| 19:51.46 | abrotman | Alexandar: kde is a metapackage |
| 19:51.51 | astoria | he wants to edit the gaim plugin for it so he can be unbannable... |
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| 19:51.59 | Alexandar | metawhat? |
| 19:52.03 | Eulex | Alexandar, probably not. |
| 19:52.06 | Eulex | abrotman, kde* |
| 19:52.09 | abrotman | astoria: does he know that's server side? |
| 19:52.19 | astoria | abrotman: that's what im trying to explain... |
| 19:52.21 | abrotman | oh .. kde* .. i missed the rosy character! |
| 19:52.21 | Cope | abrotman: well I selected only one partition, and I can see /boot in grub |
| 19:52.24 | worthy | well gee abrotman you don't have to get so sensative about it :-( |
| 19:52.31 | Alexandar | ah, cool so it should still work finr =] |
| 19:52.44 | Alexandar | fine* |
| 19:52.48 | worthy | paltalk is just like this except you take the mic to talk and can turn on your cam |
| 19:52.54 | abrotman | worthy: if someone on freenode bans your IP .. you're banned until you get a new IP |
| 19:52.54 | Eulex | Alexandar, you've just removed every package whose name begins with kde. |
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| 19:53.05 | worthy | its not freenode abrotman |
| 19:53.05 | Alexandar | oh so thats bad? |
| 19:53.07 | abrotman | worthy: so it's STILL NOT in debian :) |
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| 19:53.16 | worthy | this is another protocol, another program |
| 19:53.17 | Eulex | Alexandar, not if you don't use kde. |
| 19:53.22 | worthy | freenode is irc |
| 19:53.30 | ronin | worthy: it is? |
| 19:53.30 | worthy | paltalk isn't irc |
| 19:53.31 | Alexandar | err, i use xfce4? |
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| 19:53.42 | astoria | worthy: no intelligent programmer would do a client-side ban... it's all serverside.. don't bother editing the plugin because it won't do you any good.. |
| 19:53.49 | Eulex | Alexandar, so, it shouldn't matter for you. |
| 19:53.50 | abrotman | is worthy advertising? |
| 19:53.50 | worthy | wow at explaining to linux users there are messengers outside paltalk |
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| 19:54.14 | worthy | astoria: on windows, you can unban yourself in the registry |
| 19:54.36 | starfishy | what a stupid concept |
| 19:54.36 | worthy | abrotman: i just want to know where on linux has my internet settings |
| 19:54.39 | stew | worthy: sounds like you should be asking the author of the gaim plugin |
| 19:54.50 | astoria | note to self, never use paltalk |
| 19:54.54 | Eulex | worthy, man interfaces |
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| 19:54.57 | starfishy | yeah |
| 19:55.02 | ronin | stew: or better yet dont be such a knob that you get banned ;) |
| 19:55.03 | worthy | stew: he said on his forum that he will not make an antibanner and will not discuss it |
| 19:55.11 | Alexandar | funky, gonna play with deb on my lappy. just need to rember not to use lm_sensors =/ |
| 19:55.20 | guifre | first time in irc since 6 o 7 years.... |
| 19:55.24 | worthy | it's a mac address thing |
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| 19:55.35 | guifre | I'd like to ask one question... anybody awere of it? |
| 19:55.45 | worthy | thanks Eulex :-) |
| 19:55.45 | ronin | guifre: aware of what? |
| 19:55.48 | starfishy | aware of what? |
| 19:55.52 | guifre | the question... |
| 19:55.55 | guifre | :-D |
| 19:55.56 | rommy02 | well - ok, my solution was to clear the folder, and re-extract it. this seems to have worked |
| 19:55.58 | Eulex | guifre, no, we can't read your mind |
| 19:56.08 | astoria | Huh? |
| 19:56.12 | guifre | My father started with Debian last week |
| 19:56.16 | Alexandar | dont ask to ask =/ |
| 19:56.17 | nadjyla | hello :) |
| 19:56.26 | Gathond | guifre: we are painfully aware that you intent to eventually ask an actual question by now yes :) |
| 19:56.45 | Prudhvi | i have messed up my `su` is there any way to back port it |
| 19:56.54 | guifre | i told him to install a Debian Sarge stable |
| 19:56.55 | Prudhvi | i dont know what package provides su |
| 19:57.09 | guifre | first thing he wanted to do was connect a usb stick |
| 19:57.09 | Eulex | Prudhvi, apt-file search |
| 19:57.09 | ronin | guifre: planning on getting to the point any time soon? :) |
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| 19:57.18 | worthy | if you guys have windows xp in vmware, download paltalk and check it out. it rocks HARD |
| 19:57.24 | Alexandar | btw where can i set my keymap to en-gb =/ |
| 19:57.24 | bucky | Prudhvi: is this ubuntu su ? |
| 19:57.25 | ronin | worthy: get over it |
| 19:57.26 | guifre | yeap: how can he plug an USB-HUB |
| 19:57.31 | worthy | lol ronin |
| 19:57.33 | Alexandar | worthy, die plzthx |
| 19:57.34 | Prudhvi | bucky, etch |
| 19:57.35 | guifre | and see all the devices? |
| 19:57.37 | azeem | worthy: please stop advertising non-free software in here |
| 19:57.44 | worthy | it's free |
| 19:57.51 | guifre | he had success with usb-stick and camera.. but not with the usb-hub |
| 19:57.52 | jjazz | worthy: It's not free. |
| 19:57.52 | azeem | worthy: where is the source code? |
| 19:57.53 | astoria | not free as in speech |
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| 19:57.54 | worthy | you can buy a blue or green name, but' its free |
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| 19:58.00 | astoria | wait |
| 19:58.00 | Gathond | worthy: Im betting its not free n the debian sence of the word |
| 19:58.00 | azeem | worthy: especially if it doesn't run on Debian |
| 19:58.09 | eeyore- | worthy: vmware? windows xp? |
| 19:58.16 | Eulex | worthy, ever heard of dfsg-free? |
| 19:58.19 | worthy | yep vmware |
| 19:58.21 | eeyore- | you know how much vmware costs? |
| 19:58.23 | bucky | Prudhvi: su is in login |
| 19:58.29 | worthy | what is dfsg-free |
| 19:58.35 | eeyore- | at $300 a pop, do you think average home users would *care*? |
| 19:58.36 | Alexandar | vmplayer is free, for windows |
| 19:58.45 | Gathond | eeyore-: actually their player thingy is free I think, only that cant make new virtual machines |
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| 19:58.47 | jjazz | worthy: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 19:58.50 | eeyore- | Alexandar: that's a new development for "vmware player" |
| 19:58.51 | Cairath | hi all |
| 19:59.03 | Alexandar | o.O |
| 19:59.05 | eeyore- | Gathond: right, doesn't that make it kind of worthless? |
| 19:59.08 | guifre | so? |
| 19:59.10 | bucky | VicNomaD: i'm psychologically disturbed |
| 19:59.11 | Gathond | Alexandar: but that is useless unless someone made a virtual machine with the real version :) |
| 19:59.22 | Prudhvi | bucky, when ever i sudo su i see a error message like configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator) |
| 19:59.24 | Alexandar | its free, and you can make configs using a webby i think |
| 19:59.25 | Cairath | how do i find out, if apache2 is on my system, running the debain stable |
| 19:59.26 | eeyore- | Gathond: i was going to look into the player thing. does it allow changes to the VM at all? (like, writing to hard disks and all) |
| 19:59.30 | Gathond | eeyore-: well I suppose one could use the free 30 day trial to make the virtual machine:) |
| 19:59.35 | bucky | Prudhvi: no idea |
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| 19:59.37 | guifre | too trafic for mee... too much time without connecting to irc channels... |
| 19:59.38 | Gathond | eeyore-: sure |
| 19:59.55 | eeyore- | Gathond: well then i have a hard time seeing how they are going to derive revenues from the free player |
| 19:59.56 | doubleukay_ | hi, how do i change the # of lines scrolled by my mouse wheel, for gnome apps? |
| 19:59.57 | Gathond | eeyore-: the running the VM works as normal, only the virtual machine itself if fixed |
| 20:00.00 | eeyore- | Gathond: what's the catch? |
| 20:00.01 | jjazz | Cairath: dpkg -l | grep apache2 |
| 20:00.08 | Cairath | thx |
| 20:00.16 | rommy02 | fun - now mplayer doesn't detect my X11 installation (xorg) |
| 20:00.17 | worthy | this nice guy gave us a nice plugin added to our gaim messenger for paltalk- im happy about that. we waited for years. i only use windows in vmware just to get on paltalk but now we have it in our gaim |
| 20:00.18 | eeyore- | Gathond: you mean like you can't add hardware? can't increase HD size? that kind of thing? |
| 20:00.20 | Gathond | eeyore-: that you cant modify the VM's settings I think |
| 20:00.24 | Gathond | eeyore-: yeah |
| 20:00.31 | ronin | worthy: enough with the spamming |
| 20:00.36 | guifre | guifre: try to come here later... |
| 20:00.44 | eeyore- | Gathond: but then you could just make a gigantic VM and be done with. that'd kill their "pro" line. there has to be some catch :-) |
| 20:00.45 | Alexandar | you can edit the .vmx files in notepad ;] |
| 20:00.46 | worthy | they have a linux room ronin |
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| 20:00.53 | Eulex | guifre, talking with yourself? :) |
| 20:00.55 | Gathond | eeyore-: probably :) |
| 20:00.57 | jjazz | worthy: Knock it off. Seriously. Nobody wants to hear you advertise non-free software here. |
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| 20:01.07 | Kurtism | where does debian put the file /usr/local/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf |
| 20:01.09 | worthy | why do you say it's nonfree |
| 20:01.09 | guifre | Eulex: yeap... |
| 20:01.11 | worthy | it's free |
| 20:01.17 | worthy | download and using it is free |
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| 20:01.18 | jjazz | worthy: It's not free as in speech. |
| 20:01.22 | starfishy | worthy: go advertise somewhere else |
| 20:01.24 | ronin | worthy: then go ask them |
| 20:01.28 | worthy | you can buy things for it, but for everyone it's free |
| 20:01.29 | guifre | Eulex: i have been out of irc channels for too much time |
| 20:01.31 | stew | worthy: where can i get the sourcecode? |
| 20:01.32 | eeyore- | Gathond: yeah, well :-) i didn't understand the "free player" concept then, and i'm not sure i'll understand it ... |
| 20:01.33 | SpeMite | Anyone install enemy territory? |
| 20:01.35 | Eulex | worthy, it's non-free in the debian sense. read the dfsg yet? |
| 20:01.37 | sgeigerbot | worthy: non-free in Debian lingo means "a questionably ethical license" |
| 20:01.39 | worthy | ohhhh free speech |
| 20:01.39 | eeyore- | Gathond: nothing about you :-) it's about me not getting it |
| 20:01.45 | starfishy | what part of 'we dont care' dont you understand? |
| 20:01.48 | jjazz | worthy: When we say free, we're not talking about money. We're talking about freedom and liberty. |
| 20:01.50 | Gathond | worthy: only in the sence of you not being required to pay them for the priviledge of using it, its not really free as such |
| 20:01.53 | worthy | the source code is out there |
| 20:01.56 | ronin | starfishy: everything i suspect in worthys case |
| 20:02.04 | sgeigerbot | worthy: it's about the license... |
| 20:02.07 | starfishy | yeah |
| 20:02.10 | boburt | question, how would i assign a command/program to an F-key or another key? i've checked out xmodmap but it seems that only provides for switching around keys. |
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| 20:02.18 | Gathond | eeyore-: There might very well be a catch:) I only briefly used it once :) |
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| 20:02.24 | cheloo | i need to know where my cgi-bin directory for apache is |
| 20:02.25 | worthy | ohhh freedom and liberty |
| 20:02.35 | AndroFlux | boburt: Depends on your window manager. |
| 20:02.42 | boburt | AndroFlux: openbox |
| 20:02.50 | boburt | erm.. hmm |
| 20:02.51 | sgeigerbot | boburt: xbindkeys |
| 20:02.52 | ronin | cheloo: usually /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 20:02.52 | guifre | thanks to all, see you later... |
| 20:03.03 | eeyore- | boburt: check out ... oh ... hmm ... let me think |
| 20:03.08 | eeyore- | boburt: gizmod |
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| 20:03.17 | worthy | well, im just trying to find out where in my conf or rc somewhere to be unbanned |
| 20:03.20 | worthy | im new to linux |
| 20:03.27 | jjazz | worthy: You're not going to find that here. |
| 20:03.28 | worthy | it's gotta be around here somewhere |
| 20:03.28 | ronin | worthy: cant imagine why theyd ban you |
| 20:03.29 | cheloo | ronin what about /usr/share/apache2/default-site/cgi-bin |
| 20:03.29 | cheloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.30 | Alexandar | then use windows =/ |
| 20:03.32 | boburt | thank you sgeigerboburt, eeyore |
| 20:03.37 | boburt | wtf.. |
| 20:03.41 | sgeigerbot | gizmod? |
| 20:03.45 | AndroFlux | boburt: as sgeigerbot, there is a standalone program, "xbindkeys", that works with any WM. But most any WM will provide a way to do built into the WM. Check the docs... |
| 20:03.45 | starfishy | you probably deserved the ban |
| 20:03.46 | eeyore- | ronin: probably for being persistently annoying |
| 20:03.47 | boburt | sorry my xchat is messed up. or something. |
| 20:03.47 | worthy | she's a mean lady. i told her off and she banned me |
| 20:03.51 | ronin | cheloo: i dont run apache2 so that may be correct |
| 20:03.52 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: yep, gizmo-daemon |
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| 20:03.53 | stew | worthy: we've told you where to find the gaim configs. if what you are looking for isn't there, look at the sourcecode for the plugin |
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| 20:03.59 | worthy | she can dish it out but can't take it |
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| 20:04.08 | ronin | worthy: so you mouth off to an @ and get banned now whine about it here? |
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| 20:04.14 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: lets you use funny keyboard buttons, and some input devices (powermate, etc) to do some stuff. python based |
| 20:04.14 | starfishy | so instead of unbanning yourself wait until they unban you and behave next time around |
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| 20:04.34 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: I think xbindkeys is a better solution for what he's doing. |
| 20:04.39 | fontp | is ther a way to specify 100mbit full duplex explicitly in an ifconfig statement? |
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| 20:04.44 | worthy | ronin, it's about being able to unban yourself not about the @ |
| 20:04.46 | Alexandar | btw any way i can sort my keyboard settings they seem to be set for amercan and my @ = " and my <hash> key hase gone missing |
| 20:04.48 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: probably, wasn't paying close attention :-) |
| 20:04.50 | worthy | i have my own room on paltalk too |
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| 20:04.53 | AndroFlux | boburt: google is your friend: http://icculus.org/openbox/docs.php?page=details.html#keybindings |
| 20:04.57 | fontp | autoneg isn't working and the remote hands don't have sudo access to mii-tool |
| 20:05.02 | bucky | worthy: /msg her and lick her boots |
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| 20:05.02 | RichiH | duh! |
| 20:05.03 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: he did say "assign a command to an F-key" |
| 20:05.06 | stew | worthy: is there another debian related question we could help you with? |
| 20:05.07 | ronin | worthy: no its about you being mouthy and getting banned and not being able to take it like a man |
| 20:05.13 | RichiH | i just /part'ed, didn't i? |
| 20:05.16 | worthy | im just disappointed that you can unban yourself on windows, but can't do it on linux wow |
| 20:05.22 | geoff_ | can someone tell me or point me to a resource that shows which wireless pci nic's the debian installer supports? |
| 20:05.24 | ronin | stew: correction, is there any debian question that worthy has at all? |
| 20:05.34 | worthy | there is no /msg on paltalk. it's not irc |
| 20:05.35 | bucky | worthy: you can't unban yourself on windows |
| 20:05.35 | stew | RichiH [i=richih@freenode/staff/richih] has left #debian |
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| 20:05.44 | RichiH | stew: thanks. duh. |
| 20:05.48 | eeyore- | worthy: stop it with the paltalk already :-) |
| 20:05.53 | eeyore- | worthy: just a friendly reminder |
| 20:06.11 | worthy | ronin, im a woman who get harassed by this beast every time she sees me somewhere, she puts on a hat |
| 20:06.20 | starfishy | any chat protocol where the user can unban himself is worthless |
| 20:06.27 | ronin | worthy: so then get over it and stay away from them |
| 20:06.29 | eeyore- | starfishy: isn't it? :-) |
| 20:06.37 | worthy | we do bucky |
| 20:06.37 | Gathond | worthy: we are so not really interested about |
| 20:06.39 | eeyore- | starfishy: let me guess ... invented by a windows programmer? |
| 20:06.41 | worthy | but this is linux now |
| 20:06.48 | starfishy | sounds like it :) |
| 20:06.53 | Gathond | starfishy: dont know about the chat protocol as such, but the ban function is :) |
| 20:06.55 | bucky | worthy: "we"? |
| 20:06.57 | eeyore- | starfishy: it just sounds like something in windows |
| 20:07.02 | ronin | *cough* any @ awake? show worthy a decent ban? |
| 20:07.14 | worthy | stop it ronin :-( |
| 20:07.17 | worthy | i like it here |
| 20:07.20 | sgeigerbot | AndroFlux: re: xbindkeys> Good point. I just like being lazy. xbindkeys always works. |
| 20:07.24 | eeyore- | worthy: then drop paltalk :-) |
| 20:07.26 | worthy | i'll be good |
| 20:07.27 | bucky | someone tell mwilson to run windows so he can unban himself here |
| 20:07.28 | starfishy | gathond: if you have a chat protocol, where users can unban themselves you will have a battle zone on your hands |
| 20:07.29 | stew | worthy: please keep the discussion on topic then |
| 20:07.32 | worthy | k :-( |
| 20:07.48 | geoff_ | anyone know anything about wiressless pci nics on debian? |
| 20:08.21 | starfishy | eeyore: why does that palthingy remind me of windows' default security policy? |
| 20:08.21 | eeyore- | geoff_: debian supports whatever is in the kernel |
| 20:08.21 | stew | geoff_: if you have a specific question, ask it |
| 20:08.21 | Alexandar | worthy, you must be special imho, if your running windows in "vmware" under linux then surley you will be able to pull up the start menu and type "regedit" in <Run> |
| 20:08.28 | stew | Alexandar: if you wish to discuss this with him, take it elsewhere |
| 20:08.33 | eeyore- | starfishy: well, to be honest ... unix has some glaring screwups too. like nfs before nfsv4 |
| 20:08.34 | Gathond | starfishy: you might yes, but that is mostly because of the worthless ban function, not because the protocol itself is worthless, although i admit the difference matters little in any real world scenario |
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| 20:08.51 | starfishy | eeyore: true. but its not quite as bad ... ;) |
| 20:08.52 | worthy | i can unban my vmware but my linux is banned, i don't get it |
| 20:09.04 | rommy02 | well i'm going to assume by the lack of responses - you all either a) don't support mplayer, or b) don't know how to fix my wierd errors =) so i'm gonna give it a rest for a while and do something non-computer oriented |
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| 20:09.08 | rommy02 | adios |
| 20:09.13 | starfishy | gathond: sorry, i probably phrased that wrong |
| 20:09.20 | stew | rommy02: try #mplayer |
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| 20:09.23 | worthy | my feelings are just so hurt :-( sorry |
| 20:09.29 | eeyore- | rommy02: what error? |
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| 20:09.33 | Alexandar | i dont, he's just spamming and being slightly annoying, in another channel i go on a different network, annoying people usually leave after they have the solution |
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| 20:09.44 | worthy | im a girl Alexandar |
| 20:09.45 | stew | Alexandar: drop it, use /ignore |
| 20:09.51 | s_baronxx86 | hi all |
| 20:09.55 | Alexandar | good plan |
| 20:09.55 | starfishy | if you have a protocol that allows users unbanning themselves its practical value in the long run will be limited due to Troll Overflow |
| 20:10.08 | sepski | arrgh what is the difference in nxclient and nxplugin ??? nxclients conencts to freenx on sarge easily. nxplugin on the same sessionfile can't connect with unknowen error and nothing in the log :/ |
| 20:10.10 | bucky | worthy: have you considered therapy |
| 20:10.15 | Gathond | starfishy: true:) |
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| 20:10.24 | jjazz | sepski: What is nxplugin? |
| 20:10.28 | worthy | drop it bucky so i can drop it |
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| 20:10.42 | eeyore- | i think we just about exhaust all reasonable discussions on paltalk/protocol/banning ... |
| 20:10.50 | bucky | worthy: you have to let me feel my feelings |
| 20:10.57 | stew | bucky: take it elsewhere |
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| 20:11.01 | sepski | jjazz, it's a nomachine nx client as a java applet, basicaly you dont need to install any client software just browse to a page |
| 20:11.12 | worthy | lol @ bucky hahahaha |
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| 20:11.23 | bucky | stew: how long is mwilson going to be banned? |
| 20:11.31 | stew | bucky: afaik, forever |
| 20:11.33 | Cope | this really is very odd. I have a device.map and an initrd, just no kernel image. |
| 20:11.48 | rommy02 | eeyore: the error when running "fakeroot debian/rules binary" is "Checking for GUI ... yes" "Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation" |
| 20:11.51 | eeyore- | bucky: hopefully forever |
| 20:11.52 | jjazz | sepski: Interesting. I use nxclient a lot, never used nxplugin. |
| 20:11.54 | bucky | stew: those aren't lilo's way |
| 20:11.59 | sepski | jjazz, it opens a identical gui as nomachine nxclient and everything is identical ... but client work plugin fails in connecting |
| 20:12.09 | bucky | !fuck worthy |
| 20:12.09 | eeyore- | bucky: well, lilo hasn't met mwilson |
| 20:12.11 | stew | bucky: ask #freenode or /msg the ops |
| 20:12.16 | eeyore- | bucky: quit it please |
| 20:12.17 | sepski | jjazz, well... it seams nither am i.. |
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| 20:12.23 | worthy | that's not nice bucky |
| 20:12.26 | stew | !ops bucky and wothy refuse to stay on topic |
| 20:12.26 | bucky | stew: i'm asking you |
| 20:12.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: bucky and wothy refuse to stay on topic |
| 20:12.33 | sepski | ohwell try more tomorow |
| 20:12.57 | eeyore- | well, it's hard to get a response on products like NX ... |
| 20:12.57 | azeem | worthy: you have been requested to stay on topic before |
| 20:12.59 | worthy | !compliment bucky |
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| 20:13.02 | mirak | hi |
| 20:13.08 | geoff_ | just wondering if there is a wireless pci nic i can buy that would mak debian install go more smoothly (eg no need to download firm ware or compile new modules) |
| 20:13.11 | worthy | azeem im not doing nothing |
| 20:13.16 | worthy | that subject been over |
| 20:13.17 | Agra | will a minimal debian install still fit in 200 megabytes or so of disk? |
| 20:13.29 | mirak | anyone posesses a Logitech Quickcam pro 5000 ? I am searching how to make it work |
| 20:13.44 | eeyore- | geoff_: in that case, why don't you stick with something known to work like intel IPW, orinoco ... or atheros? |
| 20:14.10 | eeyore- | geoff_: intel pro wireless 21xx and 22xx are known to work. i have ipw2100 driving my mini-pci wifi card |
| 20:14.43 | geoff_ | k, good |
| 20:15.02 | eeyore- | geoff_: (older) prism2 will work as well (don't get the new softmac card, that'll not work out of the box with the kernel) |
| 20:15.09 | stew | geoff_: intel will require firmware and 3rd party drivers but it is still easy to get going |
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| 20:15.24 | stew | geoff_: prism based chipsets are always a good bet for linux support |
| 20:15.39 | eeyore- | geoff_: you might have the best luck installing based on ethernet then get the wifi going |
| 20:15.41 | stew | actually ipw2200 is now mainline kernel i have heard |
| 20:15.42 | gogosys | hello where I can find "ps" (linux command sources? |
| 20:16.04 | eeyore- | gogosys: psmisc? |
| 20:16.15 | eeyore- | uh ... procps? let me check |
| 20:16.30 | eeyore- | yep, procps |
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| 20:17.16 | Cope | gogosys: procps |
| 20:17.26 | helix | stew: btw, thanks, your suggestion from earlier worked :D |
| 20:17.28 | jrgl | stew: Now it's working very well...Thanks for your help. It saves me so much time |
| 20:17.28 | bucky | dpkg -S /bin/ps |
| 20:17.29 | dpkg | Package: /bin/ps: Status: install ok installed |
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| 20:17.40 | pearl | can anybody do me a favor and run a nmap hzt.homeunix.org, and paste me the output? its my host. |
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| 20:17.52 | pearl | i've installed portsentry and wanna see whats happening |
| 20:17.52 | stew | helix: cool, np |
| 20:18.03 | eeyore- | pearl: nope, no can do. how do i know it really is your host? |
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| 20:18.13 | eeyore- | pearl: even so, how do we know you won't turn around and sue us? |
| 20:18.17 | helix | stew: do you have a way to umount all of them? ;) |
| 20:18.19 | pearl | ,--8<- |
| 20:18.19 | pearl | |ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol |
| 20:18.19 | pearl | | inet addr:84.165.26.248 P-t-P:217.0.116.54 Mask:255.255.255.255 |
| 20:18.19 | pearl | | UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 |
| 20:18.19 | pearl | `-->8- |
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| 20:18.32 | pearl | sorry =)) |
| 20:18.39 | pearl | but do a ping hzt.homeunix.org and u will see my ip |
| 20:18.41 | bucky | pearl: try http://www.auditmypc.com/ |
| 20:18.44 | eeyore- | pearl: point is, we won't do it :-) end of story. go get a shell account somewhere. |
| 20:18.48 | pearl | bucky: thanx! |
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| 20:19.01 | BucWheat | hi all. |
| 20:19.05 | pearl | eeyore-: i dont want a shell account |
| 20:19.06 | pearl | hrr hrr |
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| 20:19.15 | eeyore- | bucky: unless the act of going to "auditmypc.com" itself uses WMF exploits :-) ha. wouldn't that be funny. |
| 20:19.17 | pearl | but this is not like a community |
| 20:19.18 | pearl | :P |
| 20:19.28 | BucWheat | has anyone successfully implemented a HASP key from aladdin.com in debian? |
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| 20:19.51 | BucWheat | their documentation is tailored towards redhat / suse and i'm having the hardest time getting this thing to work in debian |
| 20:19.55 | kspath | pearl: what if every other person in here nmapped that host? |
| 20:19.57 | eeyore- | pearl: the world has grown up from hippy days, you know. nowadays you cover your ass first. |
| 20:20.09 | bucky | jjazz: only when it refers to ubuntu |
| 20:20.11 | pearl | kspath: just one need to do |
| 20:20.13 | kspath | pearl: learn to deal with auditing your own stuff so you learn it properly |
| 20:20.29 | eeyore- | pearl: besides, checking your own machine is so trivial |
| 20:20.32 | eeyore- | pearl: here's how |
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| 20:20.53 | eeyore- | pearl: unplug the machine from the provider's modem/whatever, and plug it into your own switch |
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| 20:21.24 | eeyore- | pearl: then plug another machine into the switch, and configure its IP address to be that of your "target" machine +1 (e.g., a.b.c.d+1) and run nmap on this other machine |
| 20:21.26 | jjazz | bucky: I don't mind Ubuntu. I just think that people say "community" whenever they want something or when they want to accuse people of something. |
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| 20:21.42 | pro | anyone from the UK? |
| 20:21.42 | eeyore- | pearl: trivial |
| 20:22.21 | stew | helix: you can either do the same in reverse, or maybe "mount | awk '/bind/{print $3}' | while read a ; do umount $a ; done " |
| 20:22.24 | eeyore- | pro: i could pretend |
| 20:22.28 | eeyore- | pro: does that count? |
| 20:22.31 | helix | I do not love shell |
| 20:22.42 | stew | helix: love it |
| 20:22.52 | kspath | helix: live it |
| 20:23.00 | jjazz | helix: leave it |
| 20:23.02 | helix | :( |
| 20:23.14 | pro | eeyore-, you, how do i spell the cornwell (sounds like that) its a place in the UK? |
| 20:23.24 | pro | s/you/yeah/ |
| 20:23.26 | helix | cornwall |
| 20:23.35 | bucky | cornhole? |
| 20:23.39 | kspath | hehe |
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| 20:23.47 | pro | thank you |
| 20:23.58 | SimonRaven | bucky: you read my mind ... but i hesitated mentioning it |
| 20:24.17 | pdbogen | Bras don't get more interesting until they come off. |
| 20:24.23 | bucky | SimonRaven: i'm already in trouble with Sheriff Stew |
| 20:24.24 | Daedalus_ | I'm running testing and I recently removed all the kde packages. The debian menu in gnome did not update properly and so i've got all these orphan entries in the gnome menu. Anyone know how to get rid of them? |
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| 20:25.16 | Mikeee | I found out the hard way today that dhclient (default) gives up completely after about 30 minutes, I guess it's because it's started with '-e', but I can't find _where_ from..? |
| 20:25.18 | kspath | sounds like your machine is infested with gnome and kde |
| 20:25.26 | SimonRaven | Daedalus_: update-menus as your user ; man update-menus |
| 20:25.37 | Daedalus_ | SimonRaven: Thanks |
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| 20:26.15 | kspath | Mikeee: egrep -ri dhc /etc/ |
| 20:27.03 | kspath | might want to pipe that to less or more |
| 20:27.08 | kspath | hehehe |
| 20:27.38 | SimonRaven | eh |
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| 20:27.53 | PupenoL | Do you know any program to keep track of clients and computers installed on the clients and metainformation of those computers ? |
| 20:28.03 | bucky | Mikeee: theres an option for it in /etc/dhclient.conf maybe if you uncomment it and change it,, maybe just maybe it won't be ignored by dhclient |
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| 20:28.50 | beardy | PupenoL: Your favourite sql database? |
| 20:28.51 | eeyore- | pro: cornwall |
| 20:28.59 | pro | eeyore-, thanks |
| 20:29.03 | eeyore- | bbl, have some problems with SSL |
| 20:29.06 | Daedalus_ | Simon-raven: had to run it as root for it to work, but it did the trick. I always forget about the update-* scripts... |
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| 20:29.07 | eeyore- | hmph |
| 20:29.10 | Mikeee | kspath: none of the matches are relevant |
| 20:29.10 | PupenoL | beardy: that is a database, not a program to do what I mentioned. |
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| 20:29.22 | BucWheat | or do any of you know of another hardware key manuf. that plays well with linux? |
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| 20:29.31 | kspath | Mikeee: none eh wow |
| 20:29.39 | Mikeee | bucky: sure, but I would also like to know exactly where that '-e' option is added |
| 20:29.43 | pro | whats that part of the news paper called where they list all the ppl that died? it sounds like oh'bitch ury? |
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| 20:29.53 | kspath | Mikeee: oddly mine matched numerous things |
| 20:30.04 | bucky | Mikeee: i couldn't see it in /etc/dhclient-script |
| 20:30.17 | pipeline | pro: obituaries |
| 20:30.31 | beardy | pro: #englishwordseekers? |
| 20:30.46 | Cairath | how i type text in vi ? |
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| 20:30.57 | bucky | Cairath: i |
| 20:30.58 | jjazz | Cairath: hit i to insert |
| 20:31.01 | Mikeee | kspath: yes, it matches, but "relevant" in my world means "answers my question about where '-e' comes from" |
| 20:31.07 | _max_ | Anyone know how the hell i can destroy a raid5 in mdadm ? |
| 20:31.30 | Cairath | thx |
| 20:31.37 | Cairath | my linux kinda rusty |
| 20:31.44 | js_ | my via usb controller shows up as "RTC" and not "USB Controller" when i do lspci.. what is wrong? |
| 20:31.45 | kspath | Mikeee: oh you mean none of it popped up a detailed report |
| 20:31.56 | Cairath | didnt touched linux for 6 months |
| 20:31.57 | pipeline | _max_: If you want to brute-force it, just overwrite the first few hundred bytes of each partition so that the md drivers don't automatically detect them. |
| 20:32.10 | pipeline | Cairath: Yes, because you lose all skills by ignoring them for a few months. *rolleyes* |
| 20:32.16 | pipeline | Cairath: There's no shame in just not knowing things. |
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| 20:32.19 | _max_ | i tried re-partitioining and creating a new reiser.fs over it |
| 20:32.24 | Mikeee | kspath: why are you rude? I did try you know? |
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| 20:32.38 | pro | beardy, i am english speaking, and afrikaans and zulu |
| 20:32.45 | Cairath | i learn linux basics, but i forgot many commands :/ |
| 20:32.49 | Cairath | learned* |
| 20:32.53 | Mikeee | but since dhclient's parent is "init" it's not obvious who started it |
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| 20:33.08 | Cairath | the good thing is i still can read manpages |
| 20:33.11 | pro | im just pathetic at speeling, thats why im in IT |
| 20:33.30 | kspath | Mikeee: I am not attempting to be rude. I am attempting to point out that some things that the search shows you are going to lead to your answer. |
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| 20:33.51 | pdbogen | Nope. |
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| 20:33.57 | pdbogen | Mischan, sorry. |
| 20:34.02 | beardy | pro: How nice. I only meant that this channel is perhaps not the place to ask for words you're looking for. |
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| 20:34.09 | pro | kspat go look in /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:34.17 | Mikeee | kspath: ...and I'm trying to tell you that I'm obviously stupid enough not to be able to draw that conclusion |
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| 20:34.44 | pro | beardy, i know, but im lazy, and dont know the names of any other channels |
| 20:34.45 | wpostma | I have a weird issue on a new dell pc I just loaded debian sarge onto. I lose ability to ping the linux box after about 10 minutes of the eth0 interface being up. i have to do ifdown/ifup to get it back. dmesg contains message eth0: no IPv6 routers present. I suspect IPV6 on sarge is screwing me up. |
| 20:35.06 | beardy | pro: :) |
| 20:35.08 | pro | and /list tells me there is a server overload or something so i cant |
| 20:35.18 | wpostma | anyone know how I can change sysctl.conf or something to disable IPV6 completely? |
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| 20:36.05 | bucky | Mikeee: -e is not used anywhere.. neither is it a requirement.. dhclient get's it's config from /etc/dhclient.conf and it's been my experience that it largely ignores that file anyway.. as pointed out in /etc/dhclient-script were it says TIMEOUT is untested |
| 20:36.12 | marty | i have a laptop running debian sarge, and i want to update its kernel version to 2.6, but it is a k6 processor, and i didn't see a 2.6-k6 kernel |
| 20:36.18 | marty | what ought i to do? |
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| 20:36.35 | dhuv | hello all |
| 20:36.48 | bucky | Mikeee: apt-get install dhcp3-client for a better client |
| 20:36.56 | dhuv | I was wondering where the logs are located if I am using "apt-get install ..." to install stuff |
| 20:37.05 | dhuv | I wanted to see logs of what I have installed in the past and what time |
| 20:37.13 | beardy | marty: Use the 386 kernel, until a k6 one becomes available, if you want torun that. The difference between them is not big. |
| 20:37.26 | marty | k |
| 20:37.26 | Mikeee | bucky: I do find it a bit strange that the default policy says "give up and exit after 30 minutes", don't people want their server to come up again even if the dhcp server goes down for a few hours... |
| 20:37.30 | marty | thanks beardy |
| 20:37.40 | marty | take care folks |
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| 20:37.50 | Mikeee | bucky: I'll upgrade and hope for the best. thx alot! |
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| 20:38.00 | [sr] | hi people |
| 20:38.08 | [sr] | i cant compile kernel's |
| 20:38.16 | [sr] | i only updates gcc that i remember |
| 20:38.34 | [sr] | i get a : |
| 20:38.34 | [sr] | gw:/usr/src/linux-2.6.15# make modules |
| 20:38.34 | [sr] | /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 20:39.00 | RichiH | oh.. |
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| 20:39.13 | Eulex | [sr], why are you not using the debian way of compiling a kernel? why are you compiling a kernel at all, btw? |
| 20:39.33 | [sr] | that's the routine |
| 20:39.44 | [sr] | and need some support builtin and want the last kernel |
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| 20:39.47 | BucWheat | anyone ever use dongles to protect software in linux? |
| 20:39.50 | Eulex | 'routine'? |
| 20:39.58 | [sr] | ops |
| 20:40.02 | gogosys | how to find date of modification of all files? |
| 20:40.02 | [sr] | sorry the bad english |
| 20:40.02 | [sr] | lol |
| 20:40.09 | pro | BucWheat that is evil |
| 20:40.13 | ne0futur | needeing frsec ? |
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| 20:40.18 | bucky | routine implies that you know what you're doing |
| 20:40.22 | beardy | [sr]: And you don't have to, 'apt-cache search kernel-image' and then install a suitable one. |
| 20:40.25 | BucWheat | pro how else to protect your IP? |
| 20:40.25 | ne0futur | needing grsec ? |
| 20:40.33 | Eulex | [sr], what do you need built-in? |
| 20:40.39 | pro | BucWheat and it would take me > 30min to get around it |
| 20:40.43 | [sr] | beardy no... want to do it my way |
| 20:40.47 | [sr] | raid support |
| 20:41.12 | bucky | [sr]: gcc --version what's your gcc version? |
| 20:41.21 | ne0futur | hum you're forced to always use the last kernel |
| 20:41.26 | Eulex | [sr], if you're going to compile, at least use the debian way. |
| 20:41.42 | pro | BucWheat no clue im not even sure i understand what you asking, is IP something you eat?? |
| 20:42.03 | kspath | IP assumes Intellect and Property |
| 20:42.03 | BucWheat | pro i'd like to see you get around one of the www.aladdin.com/HASP keys or http://www.dongles.com/ProductPage.htm |
| 20:42.05 | abrotman | BucWheat: i think that'd more be a question for people that make the dongles |
| 20:42.10 | BucWheat | pro hehe. intellectual property |
| 20:42.21 | kspath | bad assumption in most uses of the word IP today |
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| 20:42.31 | BucWheat | abrotman you are right. i just like to poll #debian before i start making phone calls and firing off emails |
| 20:42.47 | DeadlyNinja | what is the debian way to change your default gcc/g++ ? is it bad to just change the symlink? |
| 20:43.01 | abrotman | BucWheat: i will tell you .. my dad uses that type of software . he hates it :) |
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| 20:43.15 | dbi | DeadlyNinja, don't. change the Makefiles |
| 20:43.35 | DeadlyNinja | dbi: i want to use colorgcc and it uses the default GCC |
| 20:43.46 | pro | BucWheat, if i wanted to i would, but i _wont_ touch software that i dont get the source for, and anyway |
| 20:43.54 | pro | anyway... |
| 20:43.55 | [sr] | bucky that's the last version |
| 20:43.58 | dbi | DeadlyNinja, what is colorgcc? |
| 20:44.07 | Mikeee | bucky: excellent, dhclient3 doesn't even have that option ;) |
| 20:44.07 | bucky | [sr]: that doesn't tell me anything |
| 20:44.17 | DeadlyNinja | dbi: it generates color gcc output |
| 20:44.21 | Eulex | [sr], and why do you need the latest version? |
| 20:44.23 | [sr] | gcc version 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5) |
| 20:44.24 | DeadlyNinja | dbi: errors are red and so on |
| 20:44.36 | kspath | IP can also mean Intrusion Protection or Information Protection but that is sometimes sad and iffy |
| 20:44.37 | dmesg | dbi: perl wrapper which colorizes gcc output IIRC |
| 20:44.40 | astoria | I never know about colorgcc, that is great. |
| 20:44.47 | BucWheat | abrotman what type of software? |
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| 20:45.05 | bucky | [sr]: try using gcc (GCC) 3.3.6 |
| 20:45.11 | abrotman | BucWheat: ship navigation/charting/gpsplotting |
| 20:45.23 | dbi | DeadlyNinja, you may take the distcc approach: put gcc -> colorgcc symlinks in /usr/local/bin and put /usr/local/bin ahead in your PATH |
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| 20:45.28 | [sr] | bucky it was working all |
| 20:45.32 | [sr] | just the last kernel |
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| 20:45.43 | bucky | ok |
| 20:45.46 | Eulex | [sr], once again, why do you need the latest kernel? |
| 20:45.55 | [sr] | because i want |
| 20:46.04 | [sr] | why should i compile an old? |
| 20:46.04 | DeadlyNinja | dbi: hmm well good enough |
| 20:46.13 | [sr] | i think is has no sense.. |
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| 20:46.26 | dbi | DeadlyNinja, just beware of endless loops :) |
| 20:46.31 | bucky | [sr]: make sure you get 2.6.15.1 |
| 20:46.49 | DeadlyNinja | dbi, hmm never thought about that |
| 20:46.51 | Eulex | [sr], you don't have to compile at all. |
| 20:46.52 | bucky | the rest have an exploit |
| 20:47.13 | kspath | abrotman: some of that software has HUGE costs to create/produce/maintain and a limited market fishing/shipping/oil/cruiseships/other |
| 20:47.16 | abrotman | BucWheat: it's all very expensive .. and dealing with those dongles is a major pain in the ass .. they're not really made for marine environments |
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| 20:47.27 | abrotman | kspath: i'm aware of that |
| 20:47.34 | BucWheat | abrotman ahh i see |
| 20:47.42 | BucWheat | abrotman is there software linux based? |
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| 20:47.48 | abrotman | BucWheat: oh hell no |
| 20:48.00 | abrotman | last one i saw was VC++6 or VB6 based |
| 20:48.25 | kspath | how many dongles have gold connectors or gold on computer side to connect to |
| 20:48.36 | cheloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.36 | cheloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.39 | cheloo | why not ? |
| 20:48.39 | daxxar | Is there any tool for monitoring bwusage for one process? (Or per-process) |
| 20:48.40 | abrotman | kspath: they're also not very durable |
| 20:48.46 | daxxar | Monitor as in view, not control. |
| 20:48.49 | cheloo | i have all the repos enabled in apt |
| 20:48.50 | abrotman | cheloo: did you apt-get update first ? |
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| 20:48.56 | cheloo | sure |
| 20:49.12 | abrotman | cheloo: try to install courier-imap .. find out why |
| 20:49.18 | Eulex | cheloo, is that woody? |
| 20:49.28 | cheloo | no |
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| 20:50.01 | cheloo | it might be because i run |
| 20:50.03 | cheloo | dpkg --purge --force-depends postfix |
| 20:50.04 | cheloo | ? |
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| 20:50.31 | Eulex | cheloo, ah, >= 1.3.7-3. sorry. |
| 20:50.33 | cheloo | and now its not going to resolve those dependencies anymore |
| 20:50.34 | cheloo | ? |
| 20:50.52 | Eulex | cheloo, apt-get install courier-imap and see what it says. |
| 20:50.59 | cheloo | Eulex |
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| 20:51.09 | Eulex | cheloo, yes? |
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| 20:51.34 | cheloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.34 | cheloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.34 | cheloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.07 | Eulex | cheloo, apt-get install postfix? follow the chain to the source. |
| 20:52.46 | cheloo | but i dont want postfix on my system |
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| 20:53.38 | cheloo | now works after i installed postfix |
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| 20:54.44 | marty | hello folks |
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| 20:54.47 | marty | ummm |
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| 20:55.32 | Eulex | cheloo, well, you could install another mta. btw, no courier-imap package in debian depends on postfix. they all depend on exim4 | mail-transport-agent |
| 20:55.33 | Alexandar | can someone type a hash pleace |
| 20:55.37 | RichiH | # |
| 20:55.41 | Alexandar | tyvm |
| 20:55.42 | marty | does anyone have any tips as to finding and downloading open drivers for a realtek 8185 (wireless) pcmcia card? |
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| 20:56.06 | relic | Hello all |
| 20:56.14 | cheloo | well i installed qmail and i have to remove exim4 and postfix |
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| 20:56.32 | abrotman | ew |
| 20:56.37 | Zugschlus | cheloo: qmail is buggy, outdated, unmaintained, and non-free |
| 20:56.58 | cheloo | i want to test it |
| 20:57.07 | cheloo | see how it is |
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| 20:57.35 | kspath | but does everyone else need to know what you just installed and removed in real time? |
| 20:57.35 | Eulex | marty, http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/, but I couldn't get them to work, so I use ndiswrapper. |
| 20:58.03 | marty | oh, ok |
| 20:58.11 | marty | thank you Eulex |
| 20:58.30 | Eulex | marty, yw |
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| 20:58.52 | marty | Eulex, how long did you try to get it to work before you went to ndiswrapper? |
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| 20:59.10 | relic | Hello |
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| 20:59.17 | abrotman | cheloo: let me put it this way .. qmail is a horrible pile of crap that is difficult to manage |
| 20:59.37 | abrotman | relic: we saw you |
| 20:59.44 | Eulex | marty, actually, I was rather nooby when I attempted to get it to work, it was long ago and on a laptop I don't use anymore. you may be able to get it to work. |
| 20:59.48 | bucky | !seen relic |
| 20:59.51 | dpkg | relic is currently on #debian (3m 58s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 39s |
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| 21:00.26 | marty | ok |
| 21:00.31 | cheloo | abrotman difficult to manage ? well you can also have a graphic tool to manage it if you want |
| 21:00.32 | marty | sweet thankx |
| 21:01.14 | coolpix | oi |
| 21:01.19 | abrotman | cheloo: right .. you're a windows admin |
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| 21:02.15 | eeyore- | in a nutshell, does debian apache2 work with php now? or, is it still some sort of hack? |
| 21:02.33 | cheloo | abrotman im not |
| 21:02.49 | abrotman | then don't use a clicky thing |
| 21:02.53 | cheloo | abrotman i said that to " you " that you can use if you find qmail difficult to manage |
| 21:02.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: yes .. but afaik .. only one thread model is really stable |
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| 21:03.23 | abrotman | cheloo: when there are other alternatives .. why would i use the crapiest one? .. FFS .. even sendmail is better |
| 21:03.41 | bucky | eeyore-: it's always worked with libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 21:03.58 | abrotman | eeyore-: there are many thread models for php .. but i think only the "basic" one works |
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| 21:04.13 | kspath | qotd: abrotman said, "...even sendmail is better" hehehe |
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| 21:04.31 | bucky | apache2-mpm-prefork is a dependancy for libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 21:04.55 | bucky | because php is not thread safe |
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| 21:11.18 | Cairath | how do i donwload software like apache or samba to a debian in init 3? |
| 21:11.45 | De_Mon | Cairath apt-get install <application> |
| 21:11.46 | Cairath | without using scp to copy it from a windows machine? |
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| 21:12.10 | De_Mon | Cairath the machine is connected to the internet, or has a debian cd in the drive right? |
| 21:12.10 | pdbogen | Are you saying you have no network access? (Even if you manually bring up the network?) |
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| 21:12.27 | boinkder | Hello, I have a question about creating a shadow directory. Is there anyway to make a directory that will automatically update with the files that go into the other directory? lndir needs to be re-ran when new files are added |
| 21:12.31 | Cairath | machine has running network & internet |
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| 21:12.50 | Cairath | but when installing apche, there is apache 1 and 2 |
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| 21:12.59 | Cairath | what version will apt-get take? |
| 21:13.05 | pdbogen | Which one do you want? |
| 21:13.13 | Gathond | CalJohn: the one you ask it to |
| 21:13.13 | Cairath | 2 |
| 21:13.20 | pdbogen | apt-get install apache2 |
| 21:13.31 | Cairath | damn, simple |
| 21:14.06 | De_Mon | CalJohn apache is apache apache2 is apache2, get it? |
| 21:14.22 | Cairath | yep |
| 21:14.45 | Cairath | De_Mon -> CalJohn? |
| 21:14.51 | bucky | !seen CalJohn |
| 21:14.51 | dpkg | caljohn is currently on #debian (1d 21h 26m 47s) |
| 21:15.00 | De_Mon | stupid tabcomplete |
| 21:15.18 | De_Mon | stupid fingers! I pressed cal instead of cai |
| 21:15.29 | Cairath | :-) |
| 21:15.31 | bucky | stupid dpkg |
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| 21:15.50 | bucky | !moron dpkg |
| 21:15.53 | dpkg | dpkg: You are moron #49 |
| 21:17.02 | astoria | who is moron #1? |
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| 21:18.06 | stoned | good morning |
| 21:18.10 | stoned | or afternoon |
| 21:18.20 | bucky | i'm not stoned |
| 21:18.26 | stoned | huh? |
| 21:18.41 | bucky | then it would be good |
| 21:18.48 | stoned | oh i see |
| 21:18.49 | stoned | hah |
| 21:19.01 | stoned | wake n bake man, enjoy |
| 21:19.06 | bucky | thank you |
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| 21:19.44 | boinkder | Does anyone know if there is a way to create a shadow link to a directory that will automatically update when new files are created? I want to test out a webserver where users can FTP to their home directories, upload new pages and it will instantly be put on their website when it is uploaded. I tried with lndir but it only creates links to the files that are already there. |
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| 21:21.04 | stoned | boinkder: according to apache config, UserDir *dirname*. they would have to upload thier files to usually public_html and as soon as file appear in public html, they are in thier users /~user/ direcotory on server |
| 21:21.22 | stoned | I don't quite understand why you want a *shadow link* |
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| 21:22.02 | stoned | if you wnat thier index.html to include the newly uploaded files,I dont know how you would do that |
| 21:22.14 | boinkder | I was talking to my teacher today about proftpd and how to make each user upload to the directory I wanted it to upload to. He said the easiest way is to let them upload to their home directory and create a link to that directory. |
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| 21:22.34 | boinkder | I really don't understand why either, but it made sense.... to a degree. |
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| 21:22.51 | stoned | well, i advise you understand what you are trying to do first before you do it |
| 21:23.05 | stoned | seems as if you are unsure of what you want, besides what you said |
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| 21:25.04 | boinkder | I'm sorry, still new to linux and just playing around a bit. I just want a user to upload a file through FTP and have it show up on the webpage instantly (like all webhosts). I figured I would have to manually edit the /etc/proftpd.conf file to make them upload to the directory for their website. But my teacher said if I just let them upload to their directory and create a link to that directory then I wouldn't have to do that |
| 21:25.04 | boinkder | . Atleast, that is how I understood him. |
| 21:25.14 | eeyore- | is there something screwy with mod_ssl package? hmm |
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| 21:26.02 | SpeMite | what do i put in fstab to get my digital cam. to mount? |
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| 21:26.59 | bucky | eeyore-: the fact that libapache-mod-ssl is only available for apache (1.3).. is that screwy? |
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| 21:28.08 | bwlang | i'm having some trouble with greylistd... mesages are taking hours to be redelivered. Is this normal behaviour? |
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| 21:28.20 | js_ | is it possible to communicate with a usb device raw somehow? i need to know if my via controller works or not.. it doesnt seem to work. |
| 21:28.25 | stoned | boinkder: when you login into your webservers' ftp, you are in /home/user. apache defaults to /home/user/public_html. when you upload files to your ftp server's public_html dir, soon as it is done, its inside thier public_html dir. public_html holds thier index.html and any other webpage files. you CANT upload through ftp, and have index.html automatically updated to include the new pages or files. you would still have to edit the html |
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| 21:28.36 | pdbogen | bwlang : Are you sending to a server that uses greylisting, or is it your server that's doing the grey listing? |
| 21:28.56 | bwlang | pdbogen: my server |
| 21:29.14 | bwlang | pdbogen: is there no way to say that i want an immediate redelivery? |
| 21:29.15 | pdbogen | bwlang : Well, it sounds like the sending servers are just sticking them in a queue after the first refusal. |
| 21:29.48 | pdbogen | bwlang: You didn't answer my question well. |
| 21:29.49 | bwlang | pdbogen: bummer - i figured it would be about 10 minutes delay - not 4 hours... |
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| 21:30.00 | pdbogen | bwlang: Possibly, anyway. |
| 21:30.20 | boinkder | stoned: Oh, thank you very much, I didn't know that. I will look into that. I didn't mean to update the index.html automatically... just put the file where the webserver saw it as a page. I understand what you mean though, thank you very much for clarifying that. |
| 21:30.30 | pdbogen | bwlang : You can configure your own server's resend interval. You cannot tell a server that's giving you mail that it should try to resend some time later. |
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| 21:31.37 | kspath | GREYLISTING: note, you do not control the remote servers. They often will not attempt delivery against for at least 30 minutes unless they have layers of servers for processing email |
| 21:31.52 | stoned | boinkder: you are welcome, if you are new to linux, the only real way to learn anything is to do it yourself, and consult documentation. There are docs for pretty much everything. Try using docs/google/ before using IRC. That way you'll learn more on your on, than being told what to do by others on irc |
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| 21:32.31 | opnsrc | Hey all |
| 21:32.45 | tedra | Hello |
| 21:33.03 | boinkder | stoned: Ok, I will do that, sorry for wasting your time, and thank you again. See ya later |
| 21:33.23 | opnsrc | Ok, after installing Debian (on a slave drive, the master was unplugged) I plugged in the master drive. What would it be under so I can mount it, hde1 , hde2, ??? |
| 21:33.31 | tedra | Hell? |
| 21:34.18 | astoria | opnsrc: hda,hdb,hdc |
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| 21:34.35 | astoria | opnsrc: what I do is just run cfdisk on /dev/hda, /dev/hdb and so on until I can find it. |
| 21:34.40 | kspath | bwlang: there are some that will not attempt again for a long time depending on their mail load. They want all email to be delivered first attempt. Then if that fails they back off and/or the daemon goes through the rest of the email in the queue before attempting yours again and/or 20-60 minutes if you are lucky another attempt is made based on a configuration. 4 hours is moderately standard especially for the past and those no |
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| 21:35.05 | bwlang | kspath: it's not worth it for me... adios greylistd |
| 21:35.10 | tosh | any gpsd users in here? I get the following: pastebin.com/513677 any solid way of testing if gpsd works? |
| 21:35.15 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 21:35.22 | kspath | bwlang: how fast do you need that email? |
| 21:35.24 | linuchsan2 | boinkder:yes you can |
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| 21:35.42 | bwlang | kspath: less than 4 hours delay - i'd accept up to about 10 minutes delay |
| 21:35.45 | kspath | bwlang: greylisting is both VERY bad and VERY good for what it does. |
| 21:36.08 | SimonRaven | astoria: doesn't it have a -l option? (--list) |
| 21:36.10 | kspath | bwlang: yeah you likely will never be able to use greylisting |
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| 21:36.25 | opnsrc | astoria, thanks |
| 21:36.41 | jjazz | opnsrc: cat /proc/partitions might be useful |
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| 21:37.12 | kspath | bwlang: sadly you will find people that are sysadmins but not email admins that brag about how much spam they do not get anymore, they lack the experience/knowledge of dealing with real customer email issues |
| 21:37.26 | astoria | SimonRaven: maybe, I don't always do things the most efficient way.. :) |
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| 21:40.27 | patrickj | how hard is devian to actually install? |
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| 21:40.28 | patrickj | *debian |
| 21:40.28 | opnsrc | I found it, thanks |
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| 21:40.29 | jjazz | patrickj: It's easy. |
| 21:40.29 | patrickj | like whats the aprox install time? |
| 21:40.29 | patrickj | I have a fast PC so..lol |
| 21:40.30 | xx86xx | Does anyone use acx111 wireless card and got it to work? |
| 21:40.30 | patrickj | Any compiling isnt too bad |
| 21:40.35 | patrickj | is it easier then gentoo |
| 21:40.35 | jjazz | patrickj: There's no compiling |
| 21:40.35 | patrickj | ok good |
| 21:40.38 | jjazz | patrickj: Downloading can take time |
| 21:40.46 | patrickj | oh well I got a 15mbit cable connection |
| 21:40.57 | patrickj | okay |
| 21:41.05 | patrickj | so what cdimage should I d/l? |
| 21:41.05 | kspath | only 15 so sad |
| 21:41.13 | kspath | netinstall? |
| 21:41.17 | patrickj | 15mbit FIOS cable connection |
| 21:41.28 | patrickj | I get 200mbps in the connection... |
| 21:41.34 | stoned | is there any real benefit of using NX compression on say a local LAN? |
| 21:41.38 | patrickj | or something like that |
| 21:41.42 | patrickj | no clue, but it is pwnage |
| 21:41.46 | jjazz | patrickj: sarge netinstall is a good place to start if you're new to Debian. |
| 21:41.56 | patrickj | I get 3mb/s off Microsoft server |
| 21:42.00 | patrickj | ummm |
| 21:42.07 | patrickj | never tried to install devian before |
| 21:42.11 | patrickj | im in windows right now |
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| 21:42.29 | jjazz | stoned: You mean the zlib stream compression? |
| 21:42.42 | stoned | freenx on local lan yes |
| 21:42.48 | stoned | useless? |
| 21:42.50 | jjazz | stoned: Don't bother. |
| 21:42.56 | stoned | yeah, didn't think so |
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| 21:43.04 | stoned | thanks |
| 21:43.07 | jjazz | np |
| 21:44.35 | patrickj | where else could I get installation instructions? |
| 21:44.53 | stoned | my biology professor is a bastard. get this, is this a testable hypothesis? " dogs are happy when you feed them steak" I said yes, while the whole class said no, and he agreed with the whole class |
| 21:44.56 | stoned | how stupid is that |
| 21:45.02 | kspath | http://www.debian.org |
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| 21:45.11 | stoned | !tell patrickj about d-i |
| 21:45.43 | jjazz | patrickj: google debian install guide. It's the first hit. |
| 21:45.55 | FarrisG | are there any DECENT opensource hosting Control Panel tools? |
| 21:46.02 | patrickj | okay thanks =D |
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| 21:46.10 | patrickj | now, is debian better than gentoo? |
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| 21:46.11 | stoned | FarrisG: i've heard of a few, search google |
| 21:46.14 | FarrisG | (incidentally, I love dpkg's response to webmin) |
| 21:46.22 | stoned | patrickj: thats a relative question. |
| 21:46.29 | patrickj | lol |
| 21:46.31 | madradrone | FarrisG: xterm + ssh ? |
| 21:46.33 | FarrisG | stoned: I've found several, I was wondering if anyone here had first hand-experience with any |
| 21:46.41 | patrickj | in here it is, but in the gentoo channel it isnt |
| 21:46.44 | patrickj | all opinion |
| 21:46.46 | stoned | prefences are relative, not universal or absolute |
| 21:46.54 | opnsrc | thanks all |
| 21:46.57 | FarrisG | madradrone: Yeah, fine for me, but not my mom, my aunt, my grandpa, and all the other users on my box |
| 21:47.02 | stoned | FarrisG: no sir |
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| 21:47.19 | stoned | I never messed with that stuff, never needed to |
| 21:47.26 | stoned | FarrisG: you trying to run a hosting thing? |
| 21:47.32 | stoned | wanna give me space? |
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| 21:47.34 | stoned | :) |
| 21:48.03 | FarrisG | stoned: Find me a decent admin tool, and it could be arranged :) |
| 21:48.23 | FarrisG | stoned: Yeah, I run a hosting "thing." Not a business, just a colo box that my friends and family use |
| 21:48.45 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.48 | lunaphyte_ | has packages.debian.org been down for a while? |
| 21:48.59 | stoned | lunaphyteph, a couple of days for me yes |
| 21:49.05 | stoned | I haven't check in a few |
| 21:49.18 | madradrone | FarrisG: what about a graphical ftp client like gftp? |
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| 21:49.38 | SpeMite | is this right ? /dev/sda /media/sda auto rw,users,noauto 0 0 |
| 21:49.47 | madradrone | FarrisG: which i think can also handle sftp protocol |
| 21:49.53 | stoned | FarrisG: you are asking the wrong person to find you a tool. I know nothing of webhosting/control panel. only thing I can say is, trial and error, whichever one fits your needs the most, go with it |
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| 21:50.48 | eeyore- | ah, shit. my problems were caused by the cisco vpn box |
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| 21:51.37 | eeyore- | false alarm. no problem with apache/php/mod_ssl. rebooted my server and used a different network card, so it had different MAC address and the vpn box must have somehow not like it and blocked our accesses to it. |
| 21:51.42 | eeyore- | i hate cisco sometimes. |
| 21:51.54 | linuchsan2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.32 | Cairath | anyone Austrian speaking in here (germans r also welcome :-) |
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| 21:53.52 | FarrisG | Cairath: Ich spreche ein bischen deutsch, aber vielleict bekommst du besser Hilfe in #debian-de |
| 21:53.57 | eeyore- | !de |
| 21:53.57 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 21:54.28 | loolita | hi all |
| 21:54.28 | FarrisG | Cairath: Ah ja, #debian.de |
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| 21:54.39 | loolita | i would like to know if there is any tool that allows people to create they own email account on my server , like i am yahoo :) any ideea ? ( i found something on qmail site but it only works with qmail :) ) i`m running postfix |
| 21:54.54 | Cairath | danke |
| 21:55.05 | cr3 | can someone recommend a program for reminding me of appointments? there are many calendering programs but I can't choose |
| 21:55.19 | eeyore- | cr3: kde? |
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| 21:55.43 | cr3 | eeyore: no, and I'd prefer something in the command line or in a curses environment if possible. |
| 21:55.50 | kspath | eeyore-: watching MAC addresses can be better than no security |
| 21:55.53 | linuchsan2 | loolita:http://high5.net/postfixadmin/ |
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| 21:56.10 | kspath | eeyore-: though I admit a smart attacker will deal with that as well |
| 21:56.17 | blackestK | hi is this a good place for a debian newbie ? |
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| 21:56.29 | Mahdi | hi, in what pkg can i find more keyboard layouts for gnome plz |
| 21:56.37 | Mahdi | cat add mine on that preferences list |
| 21:56.42 | blackestK | well xebian actually |
| 21:56.42 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 21:56.42 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 21:56.43 | loolita | linuchsan2 its not what i want |
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| 21:56.44 | Mahdi | *cant |
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| 21:56.54 | loolita | linuchsan2 i can do that in a command line |
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| 21:57.35 | loolita | linuchsan2 that would " not " allow any one to create they own email account , that its just to manage the server |
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| 21:59.59 | eeyore- | kspath: well in this case the "attacker" is me :-) changing network adaptor during a reboot ... |
| 22:00.00 | charzero | If I have 2 statically configured network interfaces, each on its own subnet, How do I specify which one gets the default route in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:00.15 | CaT[tm] | give it a gateway |
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| 22:00.40 | eeyore- | kspath: watching MAC is the last thing on my mind since we're bypassing the VPN for local connections anyway ... well, physically local, i mean. still different subnets but it's right next to each other, cabling wise |
| 22:00.41 | xored | what is saver, WPA or WPA-PSK ( pre sharing key ) ? |
| 22:02.13 | eeyore- | charzero: "gateway ....." line |
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| 22:03.11 | eeyore- | loolita: not hard to make one in php |
| 22:03.32 | eeyore- | loolita: probably not many people do that because there are better ways to do this kind of thing in postfix |
| 22:03.40 | loolita | eeyore- i want it working with mysql and postfix ;) |
| 22:03.50 | eeyore- | loolita: e.g., you don't make "system" accounts for mail, you just make postfix-only virtual mailboxes |
| 22:03.50 | loolita | eeyore- like ? |
| 22:04.03 | loolita | eeyore- yes that`s what im saying |
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| 22:04.22 | linuxfreck | xored: psk is okay for home use, but the eap variants are safer |
| 22:04.22 | loolita | eeyore- its juts that i dont want people to ask me for an account , and then i have to create it |
| 22:04.30 | eeyore- | loolita: try doing it by hand in postfix and mysql first, then you'll have a better idea how to script all this in php frontend of your own design :-) |
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| 22:04.37 | loolita | i want people to be able to create they own |
| 22:04.37 | anapivritua | good night all people.. |
| 22:04.39 | ubuntu_ | hi |
| 22:04.48 | ubuntu_ | anyone here? |
| 22:05.00 | azeem | ubuntu_: yeah, but this is a debian channel, not Ubuntu |
| 22:05.04 | loolita | eeyore- hell yeah , nice help |
| 22:05.21 | ubuntu_ | oh |
| 22:05.21 | ubuntu_ | ok |
| 22:05.22 | ubuntu_ | em |
| 22:05.27 | CaT[tm] | azeem: we could help him move to debian... :) |
| 22:05.29 | azeem | #ubuntu |
| 22:05.36 | ubuntu_ | see i just installed Ubuntu |
| 22:05.39 | eeyore- | loolita: you were expecting hand-holding? |
| 22:05.41 | ubuntu_ | i dont know much about t |
| 22:05.50 | azeem | ubuntu_: then please /join #ubuntu |
| 22:06.01 | ubuntu_ | thankyou |
| 22:06.03 | ubuntu_ | :) |
| 22:06.05 | eeyore- | loolita: i can tell you about the postfix keywords for these |
| 22:06.10 | loolita | eeyore- well i wouldnt even join the channel if i knew how to create a script like that |
| 22:06.14 | ubuntu_ | how u leave |
| 22:06.21 | CaT[tm] | /leave <chan> |
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| 22:06.32 | JeffreyDosSantos | hello all. |
| 22:06.59 | eeyore- | loolita: virtual_alias_maps, virtual_mailbox_domains, virtual_mailbox_base, virtual_mailbox_maps, virtual_minimum_uid, virtual_uid_maps, virtual_gid_maps |
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| 22:07.52 | loolita | eeyore- did you copy this from " howtoforge.com " ? |
| 22:08.05 | loolita | eeyore- that`s not helping me man |
| 22:08.05 | JeffreyDosSantos | Im trying to install another distro alogn with my debian for testing purposes. Inside debian it appears at /dev/hdc3 (/), but grub thinks its (hd1,2). Anyway after the boot /vmlinuz, it keeps complaining that "root=/dev/hdc3" is not valid. |
| 22:08.08 | loolita | thank you |
| 22:08.22 | eeyore- | loolita: no, that's what i have in my own postfix server |
| 22:09.25 | loolita | eeyore- nice |
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| 22:09.25 | loolita | eeyore- so you dont know right |
| 22:10.34 | kspath | loolita: /join #doeverythingforme |
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| 22:10.49 | salcho | hi... |
| 22:11.00 | salcho | umm...i have al little problem |
| 22:11.05 | aeronadix | linux is a pain for hardware, you gotta compile, and be a developer. I have a printer and webcam, and wireless not setup. I didn't make too much of an effort, I just wish there were more drivers setup, and this modularity business worked, cause recompiling kernels isn |
| 22:11.07 | abrotman | i do too |
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| 22:11.20 | abrotman | aeronadix: mine all worked .. hrm ... |
| 22:11.31 | aeronadix | abrotman, Yeah, but you some guru |
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| 22:11.43 | eeyore- | kspath: nice touch :-) |
| 22:11.44 | salcho | I cant mount my /dev/cdrom |
| 22:11.55 | NaoViNaoViD | anyone can help me? |
| 22:11.55 | aeronadix | abrotman, I know you, from help in the past, thanks |
| 22:11.58 | salcho | it says there's a mistake with it |
| 22:12.03 | NaoViNaoViD | Im trying to install another distro alogn with my debian for testing purposes. Inside debian it appears at /dev/hdc3 (/), but grub thinks its (hd1,2). Anyway after the boot /vmlinuz, it keeps complaining that "root=/dev/hdc3" is not valid. |
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| 22:12.20 | abrotman | aeronadix: i'm a guru ? |
| 22:12.25 | pjz | does kernel-package work with 2.6.15 ? |
| 22:12.31 | eeyore- | aeronadix: at some point you'll get there |
| 22:12.33 | loolita | kspath very funny |
| 22:12.33 | aeronadix | abrotman, Compared to me, you are the dalai Lama |
| 22:12.48 | abrotman | hehe .. i am bald and wear robes! |
| 22:12.53 | aeronadix | eeyore, yeah I gotta explore this kernel compilation, and I should make it there |
| 22:13.00 | abrotman | eeyore-: i spit! |
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| 22:13.08 | EdLin | llamas aren't elite, camels are. |
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| 22:13.20 | NaoViNaoViD | some good soul can help me plz? |
| 22:13.21 | abrotman | which oreilly book has the llama ? |
| 22:13.23 | salcho | h0h0h0 |
| 22:13.26 | aeronadix | kde takes too much ram, too, can only run it well on new pentiums |
| 22:13.29 | pjz | anyone able to get kernel-package to package up a 2.6.15 kernel? |
| 22:13.32 | jjazz | abrotman: perl |
| 22:13.33 | EdLin | abrotman: "learning perl" |
| 22:13.34 | kspath | loolita: no really, join that channel, there are people dying to custom build/code/setup/maintain anything you want for free |
| 22:13.40 | abrotman | i thought perl had the camel |
| 22:13.48 | EdLin | abrotman: that's "programming perl" |
| 22:13.54 | abrotman | oh .. gotcha |
| 22:13.55 | salcho | xDD!!!! |
| 22:13.57 | salcho | PWNED |
| 22:15.00 | kristiank | help usbkey sarge : I mount and umount a usbkey, no problem. Second try : no device /dev/sda1. why ? |
| 22:15.12 | abrotman | it's not plugged in ? |
| 22:15.30 | pjz | kristiank: is it /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 22:15.40 | eeyore- | NaoViNaoViD: uh ... i would guess that the target distribution's kernel doesn't have support for the IDE chipset (whereas your debian kernel does) |
| 22:15.56 | NaoViNaoViD | eeyore- Its Ubuntu Dapper release 3. |
| 22:16.03 | loolita | kspath ohh shut up |
| 22:16.03 | eeyore- | NaoViNaoViD: doesn't ring a bell |
| 22:16.10 | kristiank | pjz: no, if it was, it could not work fine first time, does it ? |
| 22:16.16 | EdLin | NaoViNaoViD: /j #ubuntu |
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| 22:16.26 | NaoViNaoViD | EdLin : Nice tip!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:16.37 | EdLin | !ubuntusmite NaoViNaoViD |
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| 22:16.42 | pjz | kristiank: well, see, I'm wondering if the hotplug stuff isn't freeing up the device when you unplug it |
| 22:16.48 | eeyore- | loolita: no, you should :-) i already told you which postfix variables to modify. you just have to read postfix documentation, which, by the way, is quite clear |
| 22:16.53 | pjz | kristiank: so it might be /dev/sda1 the first time but /dev/sdb1 the 2nd, etc |
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| 22:17.06 | rue_mohr | ok, everyone make guesses as to why my router isn't allowing dns queries to go through it and I'll tell you if anyone's right |
| 22:17.15 | eeyore- | loolita: after all, i did it the same i told you. reading the docs. |
| 22:17.25 | rue_mohr | it seems to be dropping dns traffic |
| 22:17.27 | loolita | eeyore- modifi that wouldnt help me man . |
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| 22:17.53 | kristiank | pjz : why ??? how to configure KDE icons ifthe device name changes from one to the other time ? |
| 22:18.02 | HorseShoe | hey i recently installed debian - how do i get it to accept my ssh connects? |
| 22:18.14 | pjz | kristiank: before you get all upset, please test and see if this is the case |
| 22:18.22 | kspath | loolita: maybe get win2k and iMail that should work for you? |
| 22:18.29 | pjz | kristiank: I think I recall this being a kernel bug, but I'm not sure |
| 22:18.40 | loolita | eeyore- whats the url of your mail server ? |
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| 22:19.00 | eeyore- | loolita: why would you want to know? |
| 22:19.13 | pjz | rue_mohr: because you've got your iptables set up wrong on the router? |
| 22:19.28 | loolita | eeyore- let me see your sing up form ;) |
| 22:19.33 | kristiank | I cannot right now test it, I am not behind the computer, which is in a school where I installed a sarge LAN. |
| 22:19.50 | eeyore- | loolita: not gonna happen. knowing my domain means knowing a lot of personal info about me. not gonna happen :-) |
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| 22:20.18 | loolita | lool |
| 22:20.23 | rue_mohr | pjz no, all chains on all tables are allow |
| 22:20.25 | pjz | kristiank: well, test when you can, see if that;s what's going on... if so, I think there's a fix in a newer either hotplug setup or newer kernel |
| 22:20.28 | rue_mohr | (for now) |
| 22:20.29 | loolita | eeyore- can find out anyway |
| 22:20.47 | benjamindees | rue_mohr, dropping UDP? |
| 22:20.51 | raden | anyone know anything about NFS ? |
| 22:20.53 | pjz | rue_mohr: you don't have the kernel set to forward any ip traffic |
| 22:20.57 | pjz | rue_mohr: or any udp traffic |
| 22:21.00 | raden | i was able to mount my directory on the client side |
| 22:21.25 | rue_mohr | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 22:21.26 | rue_mohr | 1 |
| 22:21.28 | raden | i can read files and write new ones what im wondering is how do i edit files that other people created like if i create a text file on the client and then try to edit on the server machine i cant |
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| 22:21.59 | rue_mohr | is there a switch like that but just for udp traffic? |
| 22:22.00 | kristiank | pjz: help me for testing please : I will see which /dev/sd* exist before and which exist after pluging, OK ? |
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| 22:22.14 | kspath | !lazycrazysmite loolita |
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| 22:22.31 | loolita | ? |
| 22:22.50 | pjz | kristiank: that might work, depending on if you're using devfs or static /dev |
| 22:22.52 | kspath | !smite kspath |
| 22:22.57 | rue_mohr | oooo there's a forwarding switch for the interface |
| 22:23.24 | eeyore- | raden: it's all about permissions ... be more specific |
| 22:23.27 | pjz | raden: what error do you get when you try to edit it// |
| 22:23.35 | raden | permission denied |
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| 22:23.43 | rue_mohr | and its all turned on |
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| 22:24.10 | eeyore- | raden: be a little more specific. "ls -l" and examine the output carefully. also compare the owner:group with output of "groups" |
| 22:24.22 | rue_mohr | ok, are we out of guesses? |
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| 22:24.43 | pjz | rue_mohr: ttl is somehow getting set too low |
| 22:24.45 | eeyore- | rue_mohr: tcp/udp 53 |
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| 22:25.52 | rue_mohr | eeyore- right |
| 22:26.39 | rue_mohr | maybe I didn't write the forwarding record right? |
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| 22:26.55 | eeyore- | rue_mohr: possibly. iptables -L -nv > rules |
| 22:26.57 | rue_mohr | zone "scrd.ad"{ |
| 22:26.58 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.58 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.58 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.58 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.58 | rue_mohr | }; |
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| 22:27.13 | eeyore- | rue: you mean iptables or bind? |
| 22:27.14 | loolita | why courier-imap doesnt support AUTHMODULES="authvchkpw" ? |
| 22:27.30 | raden | eeyore-, i just want normal users to be able to share and edit each others files in a single directory |
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| 22:28.46 | loolita | kspath you dont know ? |
| 22:28.49 | Lee__ | argh. I look up to quit my IRC client and someone's posting BIND files!!! I just spent all day configuring djbdns. |
| 22:29.02 | Lee__ | dude, drop BIND. it'll drive you crazy. |
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| 22:29.29 | loolita | kspath you the " know everything man " aren`t you ? |
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| 22:31.45 | debiankid | hi room |
| 22:31.53 | SimonRaven | !room |
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| 22:31.53 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 22:32.10 | eeyore- | raden: there are some strategies to do this. you either (a) relax the permission completely and make all files/directories ugo+rwx or (b) learn more about groups, and either g+w them, or (c) be even fancier and use ACL |
| 22:32.20 | ma3x | hi, where can I find walkthrough for DivX to DVD ? |
| 22:32.24 | eeyore- | raden: (a) is easier than (b) is easier than (c) |
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| 22:33.06 | SimonRaven | b or c are safer than a |
| 22:33.20 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: no doubt :-) |
| 22:33.40 | SimonRaven | ;). just thought taht needed saying |
| 22:33.42 | eeyore- | (a) is like ... i'm out of ideas and this must work now, dammit! |
| 22:33.45 | SimonRaven | that even |
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| 22:33.59 | ma3x | how can I convert .avi to DVD? |
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| 22:34.04 | SimonRaven | a i don't even bother considering. bad habit |
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| 22:34.19 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: well, he (raden) does appear to be newbie :-) |
| 22:34.20 | racoontje | greetings |
| 22:34.25 | racoontje | i have a small debootstrap isuse. |
| 22:34.29 | debiankid | dpkg !find snmpget |
| 22:34.38 | eleftherios | is anyone here using libapr on a debian system for development? I am confused about the existence of two seperate packages which seem to provide the same headers, lipapr-1.0 and libapr0 (with libapr1.0-dev, and libapr0-dev) |
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| 22:34.42 | SimonRaven | no excuse ;) |
| 22:34.47 | racoontje | Most of the debootstrapping seems to work, i have a fully working box (booted from knoppix, but hd is a pure debian) |
| 22:34.48 | delire_ | ma3x: use a dvd authoring application. 'DVD' is also a file system. use qdvdauthor or similar. |
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| 22:34.58 | racoontje | now the problem is, i cant get grub to work nicely. |
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| 22:35.04 | SimonRaven | debiankid: "dpkg !" is redundant |
| 22:35.08 | racoontje | I install the package, but stage1, stage1_5, etc arent made |
| 22:35.11 | racoontje | any idea?S |
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| 22:35.35 | ma3x | delire, but how can I convert the .avi to vobs? |
| 22:35.40 | debiankid | SimonRaven i need to install snmpget |
| 22:35.50 | eeyore- | racoontje: dpkg --listfiles grub |
| 22:35.51 | ma3x | delire, what application for example? |
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| 22:35.51 | racoontje | the package version is grub 0.95-cvs20040624 |
| 22:35.51 | racoontje | ok thanx |
| 22:35.54 | eeyore- | racoontje: that'll answer your question |
| 22:35.54 | racoontje | *thanks :) |
| 22:36.21 | SimonRaven | !+find /bin/snmpget |
| 22:36.22 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:36.26 | SimonRaven | crap |
| 22:36.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/bin/snmpget' (1): (/usr/bin/{snmpget|snmpgetnext}) in net/snmp. |
| 22:36.35 | SimonRaven | i meant bin/ |
| 22:36.41 | delire | ma3x: i use qdvdauthor for that sort of carry on. there'll be others. |
| 22:36.46 | SimonRaven | but, it's there :) |
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| 22:36.55 | racoontje | eeyore-: ok, so they are in /lib/grub/i386-pc/* |
| 22:36.57 | SimonRaven | debiankid: ^^ |
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| 22:37.04 | racoontje | eeyore-: but shouldnt they be put in /boot by defualt? |
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| 22:37.09 | eeyore- | racoontje: right, copy the ones you need over |
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| 22:37.19 | debiankid | SimonRaven how come? |
| 22:37.30 | eeyore- | racoontje: yes, they should. just copy them over. be selective, or not, up to you. |
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| 22:37.44 | racoontje | eeyore-: i know this should make it work, but that just seems a bit icky |
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| 22:37.53 | SimonRaven | debiankid: what do you mean how come? |
| 22:37.56 | racoontje | eeyore-: updating grub might or might not have good results :P |
| 22:38.00 | eeyore- | racoontje: well, you know :-) i'm sure it's been brought up before |
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| 22:38.15 | debiankid | SimonRaven what i have to do to install that ? |
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| 22:38.40 | debiankid | SimonRaven im installing cacti but i need /usr/local/bin/snmpget |
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| 22:38.58 | debiankid | also snmpwalk and snmpbulkwalk |
| 22:39.00 | SimonRaven | "in net/snmp." means it's in the snmp package, under the "net" category |
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| 22:39.28 | racoontje | eeyore-: i think i've got an idea |
| 22:39.30 | debiankid | SimonRaven what is the riht packcaeg i have to install ? |
| 22:39.33 | SperMite | is there a plugin so where i can view windows media player vids ? like on firefox or konq. |
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| 22:39.40 | racoontje | eeyore-: perhaps one of the debian kernel images 'fixes' the bootloader. |
| 22:39.45 | SimonRaven | read what i said |
| 22:39.52 | SimonRaven | carefully |
| 22:39.53 | debiankid | SimonRaven apt-get install snmp ? |
| 22:40.18 | matadon | Let's see if I can not get booted within five seconds. :) |
| 22:40.28 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 22:40.38 | opnsrc | How do I kill an application? |
| 22:40.41 | ma3x | delire, is there a package of qdvdauthor for debian? |
| 22:40.56 | eeyore- | racoontje: nope. not kernel-image's responsibility. what's your issue? that the files aren't in /boot? well, copy them. |
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| 22:41.09 | jouml | Hi |
| 22:41.13 | eeyore- | racoontje: or, is your issue more like, "why is this package broken by default?" --- that's more political |
| 22:41.19 | matadon | I'm debating what to use for Unix network authentication; LDAP/SSL? LDAP+Kerberos? NetInfo? Just make everyone login as root? Any pros-and-or-cons to any of the above approaches anyone can think about? *grin* |
| 22:41.22 | racoontje | eeyore-: I know that's easy to fix, but I'm trying to understand why that package doesnt put them there by default |
| 22:41.31 | jouml | trying to change the password, I see this |
| 22:41.31 | eeyore- | racoontje: see re: political |
| 22:41.31 | jouml | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.32 | racoontje | there must be a good reason :) |
| 22:41.32 | jouml | vipw: Couldn't lock file: Interrupted system call |
| 22:41.32 | jouml | vipw: /etc/passwd is unchanged |
| 22:41.38 | racoontje | eeyore-: yeah, i know. |
| 22:41.39 | jouml | any idea ??? |
| 22:41.40 | debiankid | SimonRaven wmnd-snmp ? |
| 22:41.55 | eeyore- | racoontje: also known as "i'm the package maintainer and you don't know jack" syndrome :-) |
| 22:41.56 | dst | jouml: nfs mount file system? |
| 22:42.02 | SimonRaven | matadon: forget about netinfo. it's a piece of crap. and you should be asking this in #macosx |
| 22:42.10 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 22:42.10 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of rabid platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 22:42.14 | opnsrc | jouml do you use kDe? |
| 22:42.19 | SimonRaven | debiankid: and why would you install that? |
| 22:42.19 | jouml | nope |
| 22:42.22 | jouml | only shell |
| 22:42.25 | opnsrc | uhm... |
| 22:42.26 | opnsrc | dunno then |
| 22:42.40 | opnsrc | Anywho, how do you kill a process? |
| 22:42.41 | jouml | I think that have edited the /etc/password with vi, without using vipw :( |
| 22:42.45 | opnsrc | I want to kill xmms, it froze |
| 22:42.51 | debiankid | SimonRaven cose the cacti require snmp |
| 22:42.53 | debiankid | SimonRaven cose the cacti require snmpget |
| 22:42.55 | eeyore- | racoontje: that always bothers me because every now and then when grub has been updated i have to copy the files myself. gentoo does this automatically after emerging grub, so i don't see what debian's issue is ... but hey |
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| 22:43.09 | racoontje | eeyore-: yeah, same hre |
| 22:43.16 | racoontje | eeyore-: it works fine when you do a normal install |
| 22:43.20 | penguin | What is the how to for using mail? |
| 22:43.26 | racoontje | eeyore-: but that doesnt play nicely with my shiny ICH6 :) |
| 22:43.28 | EdLin | opnsrc: for graphical programs, xkill. For everything else, killall can work though you want to be careful with it. |
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| 22:43.40 | raden | is there a way to make it sooo that 2 computers on a network are apart of the same group and evertime a user saves a file it saves with persmission "770" |
| 22:43.47 | SimonRaven | debiankid: how about you run apt-cache show wmnd-snmp instead of asking me questions like this? ;) |
| 22:43.49 | SperMite | where can i get a sources for VLC ?? |
| 22:43.51 | penguin | I want to set up a simple pop3. |
| 22:43.51 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 22:43.53 | racoontje | oh yeah |
| 22:43.56 | EdLin | opnsrc: or look up the pid with "ps aux | grep program" and kill it after that. |
| 22:44.03 | racoontje | isnt there some debian tool that makes menu.lst? |
| 22:44.04 | eeyore- | racoontje: you can boot debian installer with the linux26 target (kernel 2.6) but even then you're still forgetting that subsequent updates of grub *don't* update those files by default |
| 22:44.08 | matadon | SimonRaven: I think your Sarcasm-O-Meter is broken. |
| 22:44.10 | racoontje | if you make krenels the debian way |
| 22:44.14 | racoontje | eeyore-: yeah, tried that, didnt work |
| 22:44.18 | jouml | I can edit /etc/password manyally using vi? |
| 22:44.20 | debiankid | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1585 |
| 22:44.21 | EdLin | racoontje: yes, kernel-package does it. |
| 22:44.31 | racoontje | EdLin: just did, no menu.lst |
| 22:44.46 | EdLin | racoontje: have you deleted menu.lst? |
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| 22:44.51 | Gnea | !i want |
| 22:44.51 | dst | jouml: sure, but you should fix the problem anyhow |
| 22:44.51 | dpkg | I want a frostee! NOW!! |
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| 22:45.05 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 22:45.07 | jouml | dst what is the way to fix it? |
| 22:45.09 | eeyore- | moooo |
| 22:45.11 | racoontje | EdLin: yeah, but did a reinstall of said package after that |
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| 22:45.17 | jouml | using now vipw freezes my terminal! |
| 22:45.18 | eeyore- | i just feel like moo'ing |
| 22:45.23 | SimonRaven | debiankid: don't show it to me, read it |
| 22:45.30 | SimonRaven | m000 |
| 22:45.37 | Gnea | eeyore-: i feel like saying VEG-AH-TABLE |
| 22:45.38 | dst | jouml: looking where the problem lives |
| 22:45.44 | dst | jouml: perhaps using strace |
| 22:45.45 | delire | matadon: what platform are you setting up this authentication on? |
| 22:46.03 | racoontje | going to see if a real debian kernel package helpts it at all |
| 22:46.08 | EdLin | racoontje: that doesn't matter, Debian is very smart about user changes. dpkg -i --force-confmiss the deb |
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| 22:46.24 | brosiozzz | anyone have problem to install vlc on debian unstable ? |
| 22:46.32 | brosiozzz | vlc: Depends: dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4) but it is not installable |
| 22:46.36 | HorseShoe | hey where do i change my video driver ? |
| 22:46.37 | eeyore- | boosting socket performance in linux ... hmm, interesting title |
| 22:46.38 | racoontje | wait a sec |
| 22:46.42 | Gnea | brosiozzz: nope, is fine here |
| 22:46.42 | racoontje | that doesnt work in my chroot |
| 22:46.44 | brosiozzz | not installable |
| 22:46.44 | racoontje | that sucks :( |
| 22:46.46 | matadon | delire: Linux, some OS X, and Windows workstations (via Samba). |
| 22:46.46 | debiankid | SimonRaven i apologise , im all ready new using this sorry |
| 22:46.48 | racoontje | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device |
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| 22:46.57 | brosiozzz | Gnea: when u have install ? |
| 22:47.02 | EdLin | !u |
| 22:47.02 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 22:47.06 | racoontje | ill just do it quickndirty now |
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| 22:47.11 | racoontje | boot itno it, and then fix it nicely |
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| 22:47.18 | matadon | delire: I'm thinking of just going vanilla LDAP/TLS, no Kerberos, because I don't need the SSO stuff at all. |
| 22:47.21 | SimonRaven | Works Here, but i used aptitude to figure out the deps anyway |
| 22:47.25 | EdLin | racoontje: OK. Good luck |
| 22:47.37 | SimonRaven | debiankid: np, i'm just getting you to figure this out for yourself ;) |
| 22:47.45 | Gnea | brosiozzz: not too long ago - trying on another system just to check |
| 22:48.09 | delire | matadon: sounds reasonable. don't use netinfo, tis rubbish. |
| 22:48.16 | racoontje | ugh |
| 22:48.19 | racoontje | got to do fstab too :( |
| 22:48.23 | racoontje | that utterly sucks. |
| 22:48.30 | racoontje | nvm, getting sleep first |
| 22:48.39 | racoontje | before i screw up this box |
| 22:49.32 | SimonRaven | ldap/tls||kerberos++ |
| 22:50.41 | eeyore- | too bad, interesting title, but nothing new. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-hisock.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01BoostSocket |
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| 22:51.14 | penguin | Does Debian use sendmail or exim by default? |
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| 22:51.24 | budmaddock | kyocera parallel port printer working with enscript, fails with cups and lpr, why? |
| 22:51.26 | eeyore- | oh my god. 11-tuner PVR system with 1TB of storage? |
| 22:51.28 | eeyore- | drooooool. |
| 22:51.40 | eeyore- | s/god/$deity |
| 22:51.55 | azeem | penguin: exim4 |
| 22:52.21 | penguin | So exim4 is the gold standard? |
| 22:52.28 | azeem | penguin: no |
| 22:52.33 | azeem | penguin: it is just the default |
| 22:52.36 | eeyore- | penguin: no, postfix :-) |
| 22:52.46 | azeem | it is pretty sensible to use exim4 if you don't have 100+ users |
| 22:53.01 | azeem | then, you should reevaluate depending on your needs and resources |
| 22:53.31 | penguin | OK I will use exim4 |
| 22:53.35 | SimonRaven | exim's drawback is not having multiple queues. |
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| 22:53.58 | debiankid | exim4 ? |
| 22:54.00 | Gnea | brosiozzz: uhm, it installed just fine here - what line are you using in sources.list? |
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| 22:54.06 | penguin | fetchmail is also the default? |
| 22:54.12 | SperMite | IS there a source where i can get VLC for etch ?? |
| 22:54.14 | SimonRaven | then i don't see the point of using postfix, when that becomes untrue |
| 22:54.16 | azeem | penguin: no, there is no default here |
| 22:54.28 | penguin | What do I got? |
| 22:54.34 | penguin | How to tell? |
| 22:54.36 | brosiozzz | Gnea: deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 22:54.38 | brosiozzz | and u ? |
| 22:54.38 | EdLin | !why is vlc not in testing? |
| 22:54.39 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 22:54.42 | azeem | penguin: what did you install? |
| 22:54.43 | jc-denton | http://phuturetech.info/wordpress/?p=83#respond |
| 22:54.46 | EdLin | !u |
| 22:54.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:54.47 | azeem | penguin: the desktop task? |
| 22:54.52 | penguin | Default everything |
| 22:54.59 | SimonRaven | !u |
| 22:54.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 22:55.08 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 22:55.10 | Gnea | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 22:55.40 | EdLin | SimonRaven: did yours appear first on your end? I'm lagging |
| 22:55.42 | eeyore- | oh my gosh, SATA HD prices are ridiculous! $80 for 250GB? |
| 22:55.47 | eeyore- | how do they make money at that level? |
| 22:55.48 | Gnea | brosiozzz: at is probably lagging or incomplete |
| 22:55.58 | CaT[tm] | eeyore: volume. |
| 22:56.04 | brosiozzz | Gnea: is one week like this |
| 22:56.05 | brosiozzz | :| |
| 22:56.14 | Gnea | brosiozzz: comment it out and try mine |
| 22:56.17 | penguin | I dont see anything about email on my desktop. |
| 22:56.21 | SimonRaven | EdLin: i am too |
| 22:56.23 | penguin | Does that mean nothing i sthere? |
| 22:56.31 | azeem | penguin: what *is* your desktop? |
| 22:56.35 | penguin | gnome |
| 22:56.42 | azeem | evolution does email |
| 22:56.52 | brosiozzz | Gnea: no it's the same |
| 22:56.58 | brosiozzz | also with that repository |
| 22:57.01 | azeem | Programs->Office->Evolution |
| 22:57.22 | penguin | SO that is like fetchmail? |
| 22:57.36 | Gnea | brosiozzz: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade <- ran that lately? |
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| 22:57.53 | penguin | Do I set up mail using evolution? |
| 22:58.10 | azeem | penguin: yes |
| 22:58.11 | Gnea | evolution is just a client, like outlook |
| 22:58.15 | azeem | penguin: you don't need exim for that |
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| 22:58.22 | azeem | Gnea: it does SMTP/POP as well |
| 22:58.30 | SimonRaven | s/outlook/lookout/ |
| 22:58.33 | penguin | I need exim to make the machine a mail server though? |
| 22:58.37 | coolpix | gn8 |
| 22:58.42 | Gnea | penguin: yes |
| 22:58.46 | brosiozzz | Gnea: alredy done |
| 22:58.46 | azeem | 23:52 < azeem> penguin: you don't need exim for that |
| 22:58.51 | deeLer | question: i have no X server but i have cups installed; how do i print PDF files from my command line ??? |
| 22:58.55 | azeem | well, you can use an MTA optionally if you want |
| 22:59.12 | Gnea | azeem: if a mail client doesn't do smtp/pop, then it isn't a mail client :) |
| 22:59.31 | azeem | I wouldn't call Evolution a mail client, right |
| 22:59.40 | azeem | but that's besides the point |
| 22:59.41 | penguin | I have a windows machined and I cant get it to mail to the unix machine |
| 22:59.44 | _pc__ | Where can I find specific releases of a certain package (e.g. glibc-2.3.5-6) ? |
| 22:59.47 | Gnea | it's a groupware suite |
| 23:00.03 | azeem | _pc__: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/ |
| 23:00.09 | azeem | _pc__: or snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:00.19 | penguin | Dont I have to tweak exim to get the machine to take mail from the windows machine? |
| 23:00.25 | brosiozzz | gn |
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| 23:00.29 | azeem | penguin: yes |
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| 23:00.40 | azeem | penguin: is your windows machine a mail server? |
| 23:00.45 | penguin | no |
| 23:00.47 | Gnea | brosiozzz: i don't know, something is messed up on your end :/ |
| 23:00.51 | _pc__ | azeem: Thanks - That was the site I was looking for. |
| 23:00.57 | azeem | penguin: so how do you send mail with it? |
| 23:01.07 | penguin | pop3 |
| 23:01.14 | azeem | eh, send |
| 23:01.15 | penguin | Outlook express |
| 23:01.20 | azeem | pop3 is retrieve |
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| 23:01.28 | Gnea | smtp is send |
| 23:01.34 | penguin | whatever the hell outlook express uses |
| 23:01.41 | azeem | penguin: where do you send it? |
| 23:01.45 | deeLer | i have no X server but i have cups installed; how do i print PDF files from my command line ??? |
| 23:01.50 | zcram | deeLer: '$ lp file.pdf' |
| 23:01.51 | azeem | penguin: and why do you want to mail your Linux machine directly? |
| 23:02.14 | penguin | Mainly just to play around with it at the moment. |
| 23:02.44 | azeem | penguin: you have to make up your mind whether you need a mail server, or whether just something like Outlook Express, but on GNU/Linux, suffices |
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| 23:02.49 | eeyore- | seagate barracuda 250GB SATA 7200RPM, with NCQ, $106.70 from monarch, five year warranty from seagate. dang. that's very tempting :-) |
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| 23:03.05 | delire | shit yes |
| 23:03.07 | penguin | I can have both cant I? |
| 23:03.17 | azeem | penguin: well, ok, but what's the point? |
| 23:03.17 | eeyore- | i could build me a terrabyte array :-) |
| 23:03.19 | Gnea | 5 year warranty? wow. |
| 23:03.22 | delire | eeyore-: about EUR80. cheap. |
| 23:03.28 | kspath | only in kenya |
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| 23:03.31 | SimonRaven | s/rr/r/ |
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| 23:03.53 | eeyore- | delire: :-> |
| 23:03.53 | rovragge | what if Xorg process is using 60-95% CPU for several minutes and I only have two xterms and a window manager running? why would X take this much cpu? how can I find out why? using debian testing, nvidia drivers |
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| 23:04.17 | eeyore- | but, oh well. rear suspension fix comes first. maybe next month. |
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| 23:04.30 | Gnea | rovragge: how sure are you that the CPU usage is caused by X? |
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| 23:04.48 | opnsrc | When I press ctrl+alt+del in apache it shows Clamwin and Apache starting up with my comp. How do I make them not start up? |
| 23:04.50 | rovragge | Gnea: top reports 'Xorg' process running all the time |
| 23:05.03 | Gnea | rovragge: yeah, but so's init |
| 23:05.11 | eeyore- | rovragge: could be because of screensaver (or just basic output to the screen) |
| 23:05.27 | quik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.30 | soundray | I've installed a Debian-based distribution (c't vdr) that issues all messages, manpages etc. in German by default. I'd like to switch it to English, but I don't know how -- please advise |
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| 23:05.37 | rovragge | Gnea: but is it reasonable that just two nonactive xterms are causing this much load for Xorg? |
| 23:06.01 | Gnea | rovragge: you're being extremely vague |
| 23:06.07 | Gnea | !tell rovragge about ask |
| 23:07.17 | Gnea | rovragge: usually, if Xorg is using a lot of CPU cycles, then something running in it is the cause, and top will show much more than just Xorg |
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| 23:08.31 | SerajewelKS | i just changed my LCD monitor to use DVI. previously my VGA monitor was using the DVI port with a VGA-to-DVI converter, so the monitors are now plugged into the other monitor's previous port. and i cannot figure out how to get X.org to like this scenario. |
| 23:08.55 | SerajewelKS | either i get 640x480 on the VGA monitor (right-hand one) or nothing at all. the LCD doesn't detect any signal. |
| 23:10.26 | eeyore- | wow ... DVICO FusionHDTV ATSC is supported under linux? coolness |
| 23:11.11 | eeyore- | which of you guys use HDTV terrestrial broadcast cards? and which card would you recommend from personal experience? |
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| 23:14.26 | zzer | where are the doom3 demos or like that? |
| 23:14.34 | jrgl | After I start to use udev, it always load the OSS driver...Is there any config to ask it not to load it? |
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| 23:14.38 | azeem | zzer: ask google |
| 23:14.48 | soundray | Which config file controls the language of error messages etc. in Debian sarge? |
| 23:14.54 | zzer | there noy on apt-get catalog? |
| 23:15.03 | azeem | zzer: it's not in apt-get I assume |
| 23:15.19 | nekostar | hey dumb question: |
| 23:15.36 | zzer | ok, second day in debian here ;P |
| 23:15.37 | nekostar | besides totem-xine is there a .deb for debian NOT ubuntu for xine? |
| 23:15.47 | nekostar | it would be equivalant to xine-ui |
| 23:17.30 | rovragge | soundray: LC_MESSAGES env variable.. |
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| 23:18.35 | netcat | ! xine |
| 23:18.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, xine is a video/media player at http://xinehq.de or #xine. Several user interfaces are available : xine-ui for "generic" X11, gxine for GTK, kaffeine for KDE, totem-xine for Gnome. |
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| 23:19.31 | soundray | Thanks rovragge. Should I set this from /etc/profile for the whole system? |
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| 23:19.58 | KerPlunk | soundray: not unless you have to, there is no point. |
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| 23:21.15 | soundray | KerPlunk, rovragge, I just found /etc/environment, containing lots of DE stuff. If I empty that, will my system speak English rather than German to me after reboot? |
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| 23:21.44 | KerPlunk | soundray: "your system" what program specifically do you want to speak english to you. |
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| 23:22.22 | rovragge | soundray: try dpkg-reconfigure locales and then check /etc/environment |
| 23:22.26 | soundray | KerPlunk, at the moment everything (errors, manpages etc.) is in German. |
| 23:22.37 | KerPlunk | soundray: do what rovragge says |
| 23:22.38 | rubymatt | Hi folks... I'm completely new to Debian and looking for instructions on installing Posgresql8.1 on a Debian/3.1 build. apt-cache showpkg postgresql is showing 7.4... am i out of luck? |
| 23:22.53 | rubymatt | Google & the wiki haven't turned up what i'm looking for |
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| 23:24.20 | soundray | ahh, it all makes sense now. Thanks KerPlunk, thanks rovragge. |
| 23:24.24 | Vespaz | Can anyone tell me what config has the virtual mail in it? (/etc/exim4/virtual doesn't exist) |
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| 23:25.25 | roler | I just replaced my old wireless router with a Linksys WRT54G... Doesn't matter if i'm connected via wireless or hardwire, but I get dropped from my SSH sessions no matter to where they are at after a few minutes of inactivity. Unless I run the top command which updates the screen, it disconnects me. Does anyone know where the option in the router is to stop this? |
| 23:25.32 | zzer | whats better to play dvd w/css? xine, mplayer? |
| 23:25.42 | jak | Anybody know where I can get updated xine packages (1.1.1) for debian unstable? |
| 23:26.03 | rovragge | Gnea: I stared at top output for a loong time now.. nothing else active than Xorg taking 99.8% CPU.. if I type into an xterm of course it uses some cpu but other than that, init and top are the only other ones which show up having >0 %cpu activity... |
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| 23:26.19 | streuner | jak: get the source (debian/rules) and compile it for youself |
| 23:26.30 | jak | streuner, righto |
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| 23:27.52 | rovragge | zzer: try ogle |
| 23:27.54 | streuner | jak: there are might be some packages at xine.sf.net |
| 23:28.15 | Gnea | rovragge: did you change any of the options to make top react faster than 3 seconds or recategorize based upon cpu usage? |
| 23:28.25 | rovragge | Gnea: no, default |
| 23:28.28 | zzer | rovragge: alrght |
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| 23:28.40 | Gnea | rovragge: press s, then put in .5 and hit enter |
| 23:29.03 | Gnea | Xorg will probably jump around a bit |
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| 23:29.45 | rovragge | Gnea: Xorg is always on top. Others appearing for short intervals are top and xterm.. |
| 23:29.48 | streuner | jak: nothing, you have to compile it then |
| 23:29.55 | jak | right |
| 23:30.04 | jak | thanks streuner |
| 23:30.23 | Gnea | rovragge: what 'others' appear for short intervals? |
| 23:30.39 | zzer | rovragge: since am in a nvidia with amd mmx stuff ...sure i get ogle-mmx ? |
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| 23:31.06 | rovragge | Gnea: xterm,top |
| 23:31.12 | cachirulo | buenas noches |
| 23:31.15 | Gnea | rovragge: nail the xterm |
| 23:31.20 | Azar | !es |
| 23:31.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:31.23 | Gnea | !br |
| 23:31.24 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:31.29 | soundray | roler, strange, I wouldn't expect a stock WRT54G to mess with your connections like that. |
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| 23:32.20 | SerajewelKS | can i remap the screens in X? when i swapped the monitors and changed "RightOf" to "LeftOf" it still considers the right monitor screen 1 and the left monitor screen 2. this screws KDE up. |
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| 23:32.30 | soundray | roler, have you considered changing the firmware? I use OpenWrt on the same router and it doesn't interfere with my ssh sessions at all. |
| 23:33.00 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: have you rebooted with both monitors connected as they are now? |
| 23:33.05 | rovragge | Gnea: I need one xterm to look at top :) |
| 23:33.06 | uince | hi |
| 23:33.19 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: rebooted? why would i need to reboot? |
| 23:33.21 | Gnea | rovragge: you said you had 2, i didn't say kill both ;) |
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| 23:33.37 | anarcat | hello |
| 23:33.38 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: i did have to swap the monitors, since the LCD was plugged in to the VGA port, and the VGA monitor had a VGA-to-DVI adapter. |
| 23:33.38 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: to re-initialize the card - i had to do that before |
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| 23:33.45 | jshoenberger | Is it possible to do Cisco IOS Scripting on Linux? |
| 23:33.49 | anarcat | how can I regenerate a package .dsc file? |
| 23:33.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: so now the LCD is plugged into the DVI port |
| 23:33.53 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yeah, reboot, the card needs to recalibrate itself |
| 23:33.56 | anarcat | it's pdkg-buildpackage, right? |
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| 23:33.58 | anarcat | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:34.02 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: i can't just rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia? |
| 23:34.05 | uince | can someone tell me the command to copy a directory with link inside it to a new directory coping the linked files? |
| 23:34.12 | rovragge | Gnea: I'm also running an aterm for this irc session, but it hardly ever shows up on top |
| 23:34.17 | roler | soundray, ; i've upgraded to the latest linksys firmware, but I am interested in this OpenWrt. what is it? |
| 23:34.23 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: no, the card requires a removal of electrical power for a short time |
| 23:34.26 | Flogiston | i removed apache2-default from /var/www and i have an index.html there hut i still se the apache2-default |
| 23:34.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: it should be noted that i *am* using LeftOf... meaning that the primary display is on the right.. i just want X to pretend that it's on the left |
| 23:34.44 | rovragge | Gnea: so one aterm for irc and one xterm for top. still the same process names I mentioned before are active |
| 23:34.46 | Gnea | rovragge: then i don't know, could be the way you set X up |
| 23:34.49 | chris___ | Flogiston: edit /etc/apache2/sites-enable/000-default |
| 23:34.56 | Flogiston | ahaa |
| 23:35.04 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: will rebooting do that? |
| 23:35.07 | Flogiston | i'll check that chris__ |
| 23:35.15 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: rebooting will fix a lot of problems |
| 23:35.16 | opnsrc | ok, how do I control which programs start up with the comp? |
| 23:35.34 | opnsrc | When I press ctrl+alt+del in KDE I see apache loaded, I don't want it to load with my comp |
| 23:35.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: mmkay.. |
| 23:35.59 | Gnea | opnsrc: /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz <-- read that |
| 23:36.04 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 23:36.06 | soundray | roler, check out http://openwrt.org/. It's router firmware for people who like to tweak things a bit. |
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| 23:36.18 | soundray | roler, mind if I pm you? |
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| 23:36.29 | Flogiston | i should not remove it should i cris___? |
| 23:36.57 | rovragge | Gnea: restart of X made the state go away. Now Xorg is not that active anymore.. |
| 23:37.05 | delire | hehe rovragge |
| 23:37.19 | delire | it's "partly active"? |
| 23:37.20 | roler | soundray, ; feel free! |
| 23:37.22 | Gnea | rovragge: interesting |
| 23:37.44 | rovragge | delire: not using 90-99% CPU |
| 23:37.58 | delire | rovragge: i realise. that's a good thing ;) |
| 23:38.12 | delire | rovragge: what dist, stable/testing/unstable? |
| 23:38.16 | rovragge | unstable |
| 23:38.36 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: didn't work |
| 23:38.38 | opnsrc | Gnea, it doesn't say anything |
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| 23:38.46 | netcat | jshoenberger: apt-cache search cisco |
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| 23:39.27 | gravity | rovragge: What driver? |
| 23:39.33 | opnsrc | n/m |
| 23:39.36 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: keep in mind that i have *physically* swapped the monitors |
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| 23:39.55 | rovragge | nvidia 8178. I feel this happens sometimes.. My scheduler is so damn good i don't notice it appearing at first... |
| 23:40.07 | gravity | Ah |
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| 23:40.37 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: but you have not *physically* rebooted |
| 23:41.01 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: except that i have |
| 23:41.21 | soundray | roler, seems I'm not getting through. I'll make it quick, as we're offtopic: there are several non-Linksys firmwares for the WRT, including Sveasoft and OpenWrt. The latter was written from scratch, others are based on Linksys f/w. Make sure you have a version 4 router or earlier, the v5 hasn't got enough memory. Checkout the URL for everything else. |
| 23:41.46 | SerajewelKS | oh dear, i think mwilson is contagious |
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| 23:42.17 | briend | multipath: "device mapper prerequisites not met." Any ideas? I have the modules loaded, udev installed, etc... sarge |
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| 23:42.31 | Mahdi | hi, could anybody help me plz> I can, t set my keyboard layout right on gnome! In what pkg r they> |
| 23:42.33 | nwp_ | roler: or the WRT54GL is the v5-replacement for people who want to run linux on it |
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| 23:43.09 | nwp_ | roler: and there are several other similar devices that you can run openwrt on -- basically all based on a broadcom reference design IIRC |
| 23:43.16 | roler | soundray, ; sigh. mine is v5 :( |
| 23:43.21 | nwp_ | some have more memory, some less. some cost more, some less |
| 23:43.35 | KerPlunk | Mahdi: xfree86 or xorg? |
| 23:43.40 | roler | soundray, ; it was weird, I didn't get your messages. only one |
| 23:43.46 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: so yeah |
| 23:43.46 | Mahdi | KerPlunk, xorg |
| 23:43.48 | nwp_ | roler: find someone who doesn't want to run linux on it and sell it to them? |
| 23:43.59 | KerPlunk | Mahdi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:44.08 | nwp_ | roler: set it up for them as well and you might even make a profit ;-) |
| 23:44.12 | roler | soundray, ; Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 23:44.16 | soundray | roler, worth looking at http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware for latest on v5. |
| 23:44.40 | soundray | roler, well, I'm registered... |
| 23:44.40 | KerPlunk | who cares about openwrt, /join #openwrt for that shit |
| 23:44.44 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hrm.... did both screens light up at reboot? |
| 23:44.50 | nwp_ | KerPlunk: point. |
| 23:44.50 | Mahdi | KerPlunk, i think it is gnome's fault. Do u know how to test that: |
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| 23:45.01 | soundray | roler, see, that's why I wanted to pm... |
| 23:45.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: yes |
| 23:45.08 | Mahdi | KerPlunk, like, to test if its xorg's or gnome's fault |
| 23:45.27 | roler | soundray, ; did you register with nickserv? If you do I think it'll work. but anyways I appreciate your help :) I guess I can't run openwrt |
| 23:45.33 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ok, that will make left/right detection easier now |
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| 23:45.45 | dannythm | hello there |
| 23:46.16 | roler | nwp_, ; that is a very good url! |
| 23:46.20 | dannythm | can anyone elp me to create a network between my debian and my latlop with windows XP? |
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| 23:47.13 | jshoenberger | Is there a web-based "Putty" type program? |
| 23:47.19 | soundray | roler, hey, I want that credit! :) |
| 23:47.39 | dannythm | I dunno how to configure samba to create a network between debian and win XP |
| 23:47.54 | zak_ | X appears to be hogging my single-open /proc/acpi/event, causing acpid to shut down, causing all my laptop hot key stuff to break. What's X doing with ACPI? |
| 23:47.55 | nwp_ | soundray: I did mention it... |
| 23:47.58 | nwp_ | ;-) |
| 23:48.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: so, to summarize, phsyical connections were swapped, s/RightOf/LeftOf/, so the monitors are in the right order phsyically (the one on the left is at 0,0 etc) but the one of the left is screen 2, on the right is screen 1. so the taskbar and stuff are on the wrong display. so can i just have X swap the screen identifiers? |
| 23:48.04 | KerPlunk | !tell dannythm about samba |
| 23:48.09 | roler | soundray, ; well |
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| 23:48.12 | soundray | sorry nwp_ ;) |
| 23:48.14 | nwp_ | :-P |
| 23:48.17 | roler | soundray, ; sorrry. thank you too! |
| 23:48.23 | roler | dangit! |
| 23:48.25 | roler | I got disconnected |
| 23:48.27 | KerPlunk | zak_: nothing...your window manager is telling X to use it |
| 23:48.34 | roler | oh wait |
| 23:48.38 | roler | I turned off one option. |
| 23:48.40 | soundray | jshoenberger, mindterm |
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| 23:48.50 | jshoenberger | Thank you much! I'll look into it |
| 23:49.01 | nwp_ | roler: you may be lucky and have problems with your wrt54g and be able to take it back for a refund/upgrade/downgrade |
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| 23:49.04 | KerPlunk | zak_: probably some bullshit program to show you battery usage or something |
| 23:49.15 | soundray | jshoenberger, it's not to say that I like it. |
| 23:49.52 | zak_ | KerPlunk: Hmm. But my battery applet and stuff haven't changed for many moons, so I'd be surprised if I'd just got away with it until now. |
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| 23:51.39 | NickWasMagic | hello all |
| 23:51.56 | rovragge | jshoenberger: anyterm |
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| 23:52.02 | NickWasMagic | I have another distro installed at /dev/hdc3, but grub only shows me hd0 and hd1. Is that correct? |
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| 23:53.50 | soundray | roler, glad you're problem seems to be solved. As a Linux person, you should still consider a swap for the GL model, or go for sth cool like a Asus WL500g Deluxe. |
| 23:54.29 | soundray | *your |
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| 23:55.12 | opnsrc | Ok, if I run runlevel 3 does that automatically run everything in runlevel 2? |
| 23:55.30 | cobydk | does anyone know a guide how to hanlde bad blocks on a harddrive with ext3? I can't find any |
| 23:55.32 | soundray | opnsrc, no. |
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| 23:56.06 | zak_ | Don't you just run badblocks on the device and feed the resulting list to mke2fs? Or better still, chuck the HDD :) |
| 23:56.20 | NickWasMagic | I have another distro installed at /dev/hdc3, but grub only shows me hd0 and hd1. Is that correct? |
| 23:56.22 | EdLin | cobydk: if you're getting bad blocks on a modern hard drive it's time for you to back up what you can and get a new one. |
| 23:56.25 | NickWasMagic | anyone can help? |
| 23:56.27 | opnsrc | thanks |
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| 23:56.42 | soundray | opnsrc, need I say more? |
| 23:56.49 | opnsrc | So runlevels 3 - 5 are basically the exact same as runlevel 2 by default? |
| 23:57.03 | asg | NickWasMagic: grub's numbering for /dev/hdc3 would be hd2,2 |
| 23:57.05 | zak_ | NickWasMagic: Maybe grub is looking at hda, not hdc |
| 23:57.09 | opnsrc | (well I want to stop all the stuff I don't use from starting with Debian) |
| 23:57.14 | zak_ | Yeah, what asg said :) |
| 23:57.30 | soundray | opnsrc, for that, your best bet is to weed out /etc/init.d/* |
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| 23:57.53 | NickWasMagic | asg, I know that. But GRUB's saying that "Possible disks are: hd0 hd1" |
| 23:57.59 | soundray | opnsrc, what happens in the runlevels is defined by the links in /etc/rcX.d (where X is the runlevel). |
| 23:58.00 | OldakQuill | How can I get from the GUI login screen to the command prompt? |
| 23:58.24 | zak_ | NickWasMagic: What block devices do you see in /proc/partitions? |
| 23:58.27 | soundray | opnsrc, S* files are for starting, K* files are for stopping services. |
| 23:58.49 | zak_ | OldakQuill: Probably Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
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| 23:59.28 | NickWasMagic | zak_: hda, hda1, hda2, hda3, hda4, hda5, hdc, hdc1, hdc2 and hdc3 |
| 23:59.29 | asg | NickWasMagic: if one of the first two disks is something exotic that grub doesn't recognize, then hd1 might slide in there instead. |
| 23:59.48 | opnsrc | thanks |
