| 00:00.01 | cjaymes | your mom...never mind |
| 00:00.07 | gravity | Pixel83: Go to packages.debian.org and download the kernel you want |
| 00:00.10 | odla | Pixel83: you don't know how to get a new kernel and you're running testing? |
| 00:00.14 | odla | ah |
| 00:00.16 | gnube | You do know the NSA reads _all_ email from foriegn countries sent to Americans? |
| 00:00.17 | beardy | rredd4: What cpu do you have? |
| 00:00.18 | gravity | Pixel83: Alternately, build a custom kernel yourself |
| 00:00.26 | Pixel83 | gravity, errm...... |
| 00:00.30 | UncleD | gnube: they must have a lot of free-time. |
| 00:00.34 | odla | Pixel83: apt-get install <kernel-image> |
| 00:00.43 | gnube | heh |
| 00:00.44 | gravity | odla: He's got that. The kernel in etch is breaking for him |
| 00:00.45 | nkuttler | gnube: more power to them |
| 00:00.46 | UncleD | gnube: most email sent from foreign countries to the USA is spam. |
| 00:00.51 | drivamgr2006 | UncleD: debian.mirrors.tds.net down? you mean as in you cant dl from it? |
| 00:00.54 | odla | oh |
| 00:00.57 | odla | i see |
| 00:01.00 | drivamgr2006 | i am in the mirror now... |
| 00:01.05 | UncleD | driv, what file do I get |
| 00:01.06 | UncleD | debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso ? |
| 00:01.11 | gnube | UncleD: True, most email is spam. |
| 00:01.13 | UncleD | that's the latest binary right? |
| 00:01.27 | ricky_Sal | hi guys , I have a problem trying to add modules to the kernel , when I type make menuconfig it says that the gcc-version.sh scritps canīt find gcc 3.4 , I have a newer version... |
| 00:01.28 | foot | /usr/local/firefox/extensions/{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd} |
| 00:01.33 | UncleD | latest stable binary that is. |
| 00:01.35 | drivamgr2006 | not sure... anyone else know that one? |
| 00:01.36 | foot | how the crap do i know what that is? |
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| 00:01.58 | Pixel83 | gravity, how are those kernel images named? |
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| 00:02.18 | beardy | Pixel83: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 00:02.18 | gravity | Pixel83: Depends... newer is like "linux-image-stuff" older is "kernel-image-stuff" |
| 00:02.44 | Pixel83 | gravity, thanks |
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| 00:03.40 | UncleD | Does netinst detect WiFi and allow installing over WiFI? |
| 00:03.41 | ricky_Sal | no , I have a newer gcc version , that because the make menuconfig complains |
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| 00:03.49 | gravity | Pixel83: No problem. Good luck |
| 00:04.11 | nkuttler | UncleD: probably depends on the card. |
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| 00:06.56 | drivamgr2006 | who owns dpkg??? can it be rebooted, since its obviously got a hell of a hangover...? |
| 00:07.23 | thingfish | drivamgr2006: dondelelcaro owns dpkg. |
| 00:07.28 | odla | dondelecaro |
| 00:07.28 | moshii | UncleD: if you could rebuild the netinst cd to include the drivers and iwtools if you wanted |
| 00:07.42 | odla | dondelelcaro owns dpkg |
| 00:07.52 | foot | anyone aware of how to hand-remove firefox extensions? |
| 00:07.56 | drivamgr2006 | ok thanks. |
| 00:08.04 | odla | we can get by without dpkg...but without abrotman...i don't know |
| 00:08.06 | gnube | I know that exim4 is the default MTA in debian, but I am going to compile it anyway. |
| 00:08.10 | thingfish | hehe odla |
| 00:08.17 | thingfish | yes, we love our abrotman. |
| 00:08.23 | odla | it's abortman |
| 00:08.24 | odla | he he |
| 00:08.29 | thingfish | :/ |
| 00:08.33 | peterS | he answers to both |
| 00:08.35 | gnube | Yeah, without abrotman and dpkg life i s a lot harder. |
| 00:08.48 | beardy | How rude.. I hate it when people ask and then quits.. |
| 00:08.57 | beardy | abotman |
| 00:08.57 | peterS | abotman |
| 00:09.01 | beardy | heh |
| 00:09.05 | thingfish | clever |
| 00:09.08 | gnube | syncronicity. |
| 00:09.16 | beardy | We are in sync. |
| 00:09.22 | odla | i like that...someone should make a bot for abrotman and call it abotman |
| 00:09.27 | tsume | UncleD:ja meta. I've programming to do. |
| 00:09.29 | peterS | one time petemc and I gave the same answer at the same time, so the only difference was two letters in our nicks |
| 00:09.37 | thingfish | neat |
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| 00:09.45 | gnube | You can log all of his comments and then spit them out again. |
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| 00:09.58 | beardy | At least we have the same number of letters. |
| 00:09.58 | moshii | tsume: you mean mata? |
| 00:09.58 | thingfish | ooh kepht is a fellow KC native. |
| 00:10.08 | kepht | yup |
| 00:10.12 | thingfish | neato |
| 00:10.16 | gnube | sheesh |
| 00:10.20 | thingfish | kepht: where at? |
| 00:10.21 | tsume | moshii: I'm turning in to a computer.. for some reason I'm thinking meta data :( |
| 00:10.40 | kepht | thingfish: near downtown KC |
| 00:10.49 | thingfish | kepht: cool. I'm in Raymore. |
| 00:10.54 | odla | the first thing abotman will have programed into him is the correct spelling of debain |
| 00:10.58 | odla | ha ha |
| 00:10.59 | thingfish | kepht: UMKC? |
| 00:11.02 | beardy | tsume: poweroff |
| 00:11.06 | kepht | thingfish: no |
| 00:11.06 | beardy | ;) |
| 00:11.12 | peterS | downtown meaning KCMO, I take it |
| 00:11.20 | moshii | tsume: I am a computer .. when there's no machine noise in my room I have a loud ringing in my ears that signals the death of my family |
| 00:11.33 | gnube | yikes |
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| 00:11.36 | Pixel83 | gravity, hm, apt-cache search only offers my things like kernel-image-2.6-386 and 686, but no minor versiones like 2.6.8 or 14 |
| 00:11.37 | thingfish | peterS: of course. There really is not much to Kansas City, Kansas. |
| 00:11.50 | gravity | Pixel83: This is why I told you to go to packages.debian.org |
| 00:11.51 | thingfish | well, except poverty. |
| 00:11.52 | odla | Pixel83: it's cause you need to get it from sarge or sid |
| 00:11.53 | moshii | either that or I have tinnitus |
| 00:11.58 | peterS | thingfish: well, people from overland park and olathe and such all say they're from KC. so one can't be sure |
| 00:12.06 | cjaymes | beardy, finally finished with fsck |
| 00:12.06 | beardy | Pixel83: Those are packages that depend on the latest versions. |
| 00:12.08 | Pixel83 | argh, okay. |
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| 00:12.19 | thingfish | peterS: yes, that is true actually. How did you know that? |
| 00:12.20 | cjaymes | beardy, going to mount & check out the damage |
| 00:12.21 | sfullenwider | how does one install a printer in linux? |
| 00:12.28 | peterS | thingfish: I know people from those places (: I'm in wichita |
| 00:12.29 | beardy | cjaymes: Good luck. |
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| 00:12.36 | thingfish | ooh wichita, nice. |
| 00:12.37 | moshii | sfullenwider: there are a few ways .. |
| 00:12.47 | thingfish | midwestern boy like myself. |
| 00:12.53 | bronaugh | hmm, just upgraded to Xorg 6.9 on Debian, and now my fonts are messed. |
| 00:12.56 | moshii | sfullenwider: do you want something unix cool, or just some that works? |
| 00:13.01 | odla | Pixel83: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 00:13.07 | moshii | sfullenwider: *something |
| 00:13.10 | thingfish | peterS: do they have linux in wichita? hehe |
| 00:13.13 | beardy | sfullenwider: Depends on how you are going to use it. |
| 00:13.18 | bronaugh | seemingly only with Xft apps. |
| 00:13.38 | peterS | thingfish: I first saw linux in use in wichita around ... 1996? |
| 00:13.41 | kepht | bronaugh: did the xorg log indicate the correct dpi? |
| 00:13.50 | thingfish | peterS: just kidding. |
| 00:13.57 | cjaymes | beardy, well, it looks usable |
| 00:14.04 | thingfish | wichita is a big enough city. |
| 00:14.04 | peterS | yeah, I know. it was big in local ISPs back when local ISPs were a new things |
| 00:14.05 | peterS | thing |
| 00:14.08 | kspath | !abrotman tell me about Apple |
| 00:14.10 | bronaugh | kepht: xdpyinfo indicates 100dpi. |
| 00:14.18 | bronaugh | which is correct. |
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| 00:14.23 | cjaymes | beardy, at first glance it looks like I lost about 200 songs, but that's not too bad |
| 00:14.27 | odla | kspath: it's abotman |
| 00:14.33 | kspath | lol |
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| 00:14.35 | beardy | cjaymes: Really? |
| 00:14.36 | bronaugh | but mrxvt (app in question) is displaying the font with about half a line of space below each line of characters. |
| 00:14.40 | sfullenwider | Something that wrks but I don't want to be restricted to dot matrix stuff, I mean this isn't a dot matrix printer |
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| 00:14.43 | kepht | bronaugh: i'm about to try the 6.9 upgrade as well |
| 00:14.46 | odla | !abotman tell abrotman how to spell debian |
| 00:14.47 | kspath | !abotman tell me about Apple |
| 00:14.59 | moshii | sfullenwider: install cups |
| 00:15.04 | bronaugh | everything else seems reasonably OK. |
| 00:15.05 | kspath | !abotman tell adla about Apple |
| 00:15.08 | beardy | sfullenwider: Then you'll have trouble get it to act like a dot matrix printer. |
| 00:15.18 | kepht | bronaugh: which font? |
| 00:15.19 | beardy | sfullenwider: Have a look at cups. |
| 00:15.21 | thingfish | Debian is always capitalized. People! |
| 00:15.28 | bronaugh | kepht: Andale Mono |
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| 00:15.40 | kepht | thingfish: OK, dEBIAN |
| 00:15.43 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:15.44 | cjaymes | hmm, anyone know why my gnome-volume-control shows 2 sliders for each channel? |
| 00:15.50 | kombi | I ashamed but how do you grep something containing whitespace, i.e. grep Dec 30 21:18:31 ? |
| 00:15.53 | moshii | it should be DebIan really |
| 00:15.57 | odla | thingfish: ah...www.debian.org...look at the header |
| 00:15.58 | thingfish | that displays a distinct lack of respect. |
| 00:16.09 | odla | the d is lowercase |
| 00:16.09 | beardy | ~cupsys |
| 00:16.10 | apt | [cupsys] 'apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd' on server and 'cupsys-client cupsys-bsd' on clients. Visit http://127.0.0.1:631/ to configure it. For local, parallel port printers, Device URI is parallel:/dev/lp0 |
| 00:16.10 | kombi | Deborah loves Ian loves programming |
| 00:16.11 | beardy | up to date? |
| 00:16.13 | cjaymes | kombi, "" |
| 00:16.21 | thingfish | no, I'm not listening to you filthy blasphemers. |
| 00:16.32 | odla | beardy: pretty much |
| 00:16.37 | kombi | cjaymes: those need escaping? |
| 00:16.38 | cjaymes | www.Debian.org works? |
| 00:16.52 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:16.59 | cjaymes | kombi, grep "Dec 30 21:18:31" |
| 00:16.59 | AciD | what the flags to be used with dpkg to show the dependencies of an installed package ? |
| 00:17.21 | thingfish | have as much bourbon as *I've* had, and see if *you* make sense. |
| 00:17.23 | cjaymes | you're just making it one argument to grep; bash removes the quotes & feeds it |
| 00:17.28 | kombi | thanks cjaymes |
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| 00:17.48 | thingfish | ~beer apt |
| 00:17.49 | apt | ACTION pulls out a tasty Guinness for apt |
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| 00:17.58 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:18.05 | thingfish | guiness is over rated. |
| 00:18.13 | kepht | why? |
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| 00:18.18 | thingfish | I mean, it's fertilizer. |
| 00:18.24 | ix | overrated? |
| 00:18.29 | qoco | Hey.. is there a ready-to-install Gnome 2.13.3 package somewhere? |
| 00:18.29 | ix | guinness? |
| 00:18.31 | bronaugh | heh, and gtk2 fonts are all huge, at least in thunderbird. |
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| 00:18.40 | odla | qoco: dapper drake |
| 00:18.45 | thingfish | yes, I speak sacrilege. |
| 00:18.51 | thingfish | so. what. |
| 00:18.58 | odla | qoco: i don't even think 2.12 is in unstable yet |
| 00:19.18 | cheal | qoco: unlikely |
| 00:19.23 | dserban | MC Hawking = supah! |
| 00:19.28 | qoco | odla: iirc 2.12 is in testing |
| 00:19.34 | odla | nope 2.10 |
| 00:19.41 | qoco | oh, ok.. sorry |
| 00:19.44 | odla | np |
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| 00:19.58 | thingfish | well is there going to be a big party in here tomorrow night? |
| 00:20.01 | odla | guinness is good |
| 00:20.09 | kepht | true that |
| 00:20.11 | thingfish | guinness is soup. |
| 00:20.16 | dserban | thingfish: why would there be? |
| 00:20.21 | odla | thingfish is soup |
| 00:20.23 | qoco | thingfish: full ack! |
| 00:20.24 | thingfish | give me a decent, normal ale, any day. |
| 00:20.25 | odla | ;) |
| 00:20.34 | dserban | Rickard's Red. |
| 00:20.35 | odla | guiness is steak, potatoes, and peas |
| 00:20.37 | qoco | www.rothaus.de <-- best german beer ever |
| 00:20.41 | odla | and it's mighty tasty |
| 00:20.50 | thingfish | odla, now for cooking with, guinness is fine. |
| 00:21.04 | thingfish | guinness is wonderful to add to say, a roast beef. |
| 00:21.16 | LostFrog | I could go for a lager. |
| 00:21.16 | thingfish | but to drink the shit? no way. |
| 00:21.17 | odla | thwhat does die mean? |
| 00:21.43 | kombi | goco: never hear of it.. |
| 00:21.50 | thingfish | but then, I don't like porters or stouts. |
| 00:21.52 | odla | qoco: it looks too light for my liking |
| 00:22.04 | PerfDave | I was drinking a nice pint of Porterhouse oyster stout earlier :) |
| 00:22.14 | odla | though i do know the germans like to drink the beers |
| 00:22.17 | kepht | thingfish is afraid of the dark |
| 00:22.32 | kombi | the beers we drink.. |
| 00:22.34 | qoco | it's a little brewery in the black forest. it's very tasty |
| 00:22.35 | thingfish | well, that sounds interesting, but I give it a 75/25 chance of sucking. |
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| 00:22.50 | thingfish | not hardly, dear kepht. |
| 00:23.12 | kepht | ooo, gettin personal |
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| 00:23.31 | thingfish | hehe it's all in good, drunken fun, kepht |
| 00:23.34 | kombi | beer has been a frequent subject here, I even remember seeing the penguin with a pint in his wing.. |
| 00:23.40 | odla | it's a hefeweizen? |
| 00:23.53 | thingfish | well I mean, linux people are big drinkers, and pot smokers. |
| 00:24.01 | kombi | or kristall even (whatever that means..) |
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| 00:24.08 | thingfish | and I think Debian people do lots of acid. |
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| 00:24.21 | kombi | did my last acid 20 years ago.. |
| 00:24.22 | qoco | odla: it's Pils |
| 00:24.23 | thingfish | well, the developers I mean. |
| 00:24.24 | odla | thingfish: it's drop lots of acid |
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| 00:24.38 | thingfish | I did my fair share, boys and girls. |
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| 00:24.48 | bronaugh | I dropped acid in my geology class. |
| 00:24.49 | kombi | you did boys and girls? |
| 00:24.50 | Pixel83 | gravity, i just succeeded in installing kernel 2.6.8, booted to it (-> boot menu) and tried mpg123... full crash once more... |
| 00:24.52 | thingfish | my first time= 4-way hit of windowpane. |
| 00:24.55 | bronaugh | they gave us this HCl to test rocks with... |
| 00:25.02 | qoco | i've got to go.. drink beer guys! |
| 00:25.10 | startxwhite | i've got a Taxan Ergovision 735 17 inch monitor which has usb ports but whenever i plug a usb device nothing happens (no light to indicate activity no nothing). i want to use the usb ports on the monitor! help! |
| 00:25.11 | kombi | drink safely! |
| 00:25.17 | thingfish | you too, kombi |
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| 00:25.22 | thingfish | but drink lots |
| 00:25.27 | kombi | true! |
| 00:25.36 | bronaugh | drink so much you can't drive. |
| 00:25.38 | bronaugh | yeah, that'll work. |
| 00:25.54 | thingfish | well, drink so much you have to sleep naked in her bed with her. |
| 00:26.00 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:26.22 | bronaugh | yeah :P |
| 00:26.25 | kombi | now, whan a box crashes and I have not the slightest idea why that happened, what do I drink? |
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| 00:26.41 | thingfish | kombi: a very old chardonnay. |
| 00:26.47 | kombi | lol.. |
| 00:26.52 | bronaugh | kombi: cheap whiskey. |
| 00:26.57 | kombi | or that.. |
| 00:27.17 | Seicherl | hi there! I'm going to install debian and i'm wondering if i should try etch on my laptop? Any suggestions? How "stable" is etch? |
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| 00:27.21 | thingfish | cheap whiskey is not necessarily bad whiskey - Ten High is cheap, but good. |
| 00:27.24 | bronaugh | smoking pot might give you some creative ideas on how to "fix" it though :P |
| 00:27.32 | idv | startxwhite: are you sure the hub in the monitor is actually plugged into your usb host controller? |
| 00:27.36 | thingfish | Seicherl: NO NO NO. Try Sarge. |
| 00:27.50 | kombi | been rolling up my log files, tried smoking them but no luck |
| 00:27.52 | thingfish | Sarge=worky. |
| 00:27.54 | Seicherl | thingfish: lol.... that terrible? |
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| 00:28.09 | thingfish | Seicherl: not really, but you're asking for trouble. |
| 00:28.12 | bronaugh | unless you like package breakage, stick with Sarge. |
| 00:28.15 | Seicherl | thingfish: i know that sarge is stable. |
| 00:28.15 | kepht | heh, how stable is unstable |
| 00:28.17 | odla | Seicherl: etch isn't stable it's testing |
| 00:28.18 | thingfish | whereas Sarge=worky. |
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| 00:28.46 | thingfish | if you install Sarge, lots of people will give you free pot. |
| 00:28.49 | bronaugh | kepht: in my experience, pretty good, but I do have to fix little things occasionally. |
| 00:28.55 | odla | kepht: unstable isn't too bad...but you need to know what you're doing |
| 00:28.59 | Pixel83 | well, for me stable=doesn'tworkwithmynic |
| 00:28.59 | odla | i've used it for a bit |
| 00:29.06 | Seicherl | thingfish: i had my woody some time ago and a couple of weeks later everyone used sarge... thats why i'm asking this time |
| 00:29.14 | bronaugh | I've used unstable for ... 4 years? something like that. |
| 00:29.14 | yves | I have SARGE, give me .... give me... |
| 00:29.24 | thingfish | hehe yves |
| 00:29.35 | kepht | bronaugh, odla ..yeah, i use testing, with some customization and unstable stuff thrown in |
| 00:29.57 | Seicherl | so you still recommend sarge |
| 00:29.57 | odla | kepht: do you have apt-listbugs installed? |
| 00:30.16 | kepht | no, i've seen that though |
| 00:30.24 | odla | kepht: you should |
| 00:30.33 | kepht | okidoky |
| 00:30.36 | bronaugh | kepht: my server's install seems to date from April 2001 |
| 00:30.47 | bronaugh | it's currently running unstable, as it has for as long as it's been around. |
| 00:30.55 | bronaugh | that, to me, is a testament to debian's quality. |
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| 00:31.21 | Pixel83 | Hm, is there a way to teach a stable how to handle a RTL8139D? |
| 00:31.23 | Seicherl | that system is going to be tricky anyway. will be my first non-server-debian system. |
| 00:31.25 | thingfish | Seicherl: I do. Because it works. |
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| 00:31.50 | thingfish | Seicherl: I use Debian Sarge for a desktop, and it's totally sweet. |
| 00:31.51 | bronaugh | Pixel83: should just be 8139too driver. |
| 00:31.51 | kombi | I've never not installed a non server.. |
| 00:31.53 | hammerabi | Pixel83: 2.6.8 doesn't support it? |
| 00:31.55 | Seicherl | ok, so i'll leave the experimental-stuff to you guys ;) |
| 00:32.03 | odla | apt-listbugs is nice cause it tells you about open bugs before you install a program |
| 00:32.21 | Seicherl | what about sarge and the actual kde? working fine? |
| 00:32.24 | Pixel83 | it does, but it crashes as soon as i use a sound thing |
| 00:32.25 | kepht | i think i'll try it on dpkg |
| 00:32.26 | thingfish | yes, let the testers have the testing and unstable branches. Us end-users need something without headaches. |
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| 00:32.40 | LostFrog | Why is the 2.6.8 kernel in stable but the kernel-headers and kernel-source not? |
| 00:32.45 | hammerabi | Pixel83: does noapic/acpi=off/nolapic help it? |
| 00:32.46 | Seicherl | thingfish: you take the point ;) |
| 00:32.49 | hammerabi | LostFrog: they are |
| 00:32.52 | invisibility | hi, i have p4 and as i know debian comes with i386 as default. Should i upgrade it to i686 (cause it says here that i686 is for p4) or is i386 better? i have p4 3.2 ghz with 1gb ram |
| 00:32.52 | thingfish | Seicherl: listen: Sarge by definition = working fine. |
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| 00:33.12 | Seicherl | thingfish: I think i understood some msgs ago |
| 00:33.16 | hammerabi | invisibility: doesn't really matter, but go for it |
| 00:33.21 | hammerabi | I think the -386 ones have HIGHMEM |
| 00:33.23 | yves | why would my wheel on my mouse work with KDE but not with GNOME? |
| 00:33.26 | thingfish | I have tried many other linuxes. They're all fucking shit, except for Debian Sarge. |
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| 00:33.37 | beardy | invisibility: i686 is not worse at least (we can hope :) ) |
| 00:33.43 | peterS | invisibility: most packages are not distinctly provided for i686. the few that are, like libc6-686 and the kernel packages, sure, go ahead |
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| 00:33.57 | nekostar | happy new years guys! im gonna be in san fransiscoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 00:34.01 | thingfish | Seicherl: yes but I must hammer it into your head, on account of the bourbon. |
| 00:34.05 | hammerabi | invisibility: oh, I assumed you were talking about the kernel |
| 00:34.18 | Seicherl | thingfish: you can stop advertising. I use woody on my fileserver for ... some years nad i haven't had any troubles ever |
| 00:34.20 | beardy | invisibility: i386 can run on 386 and up, i686 only on i686 |
| 00:34.21 | invisibility | hammerabi , yes i was ... |
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| 00:34.37 | thingfish | ooh cool, san Francisco. I bet there's lots of hot guys in san francisco. |
| 00:34.43 | invisibility | beardy, so i386 is more compatible... |
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| 00:34.47 | thingfish | gay, debian-using, guys. |
| 00:34.53 | peterS | apparently san fransisco has some storms going on |
| 00:34.54 | thingfish | yay! |
| 00:34.55 | beardy | invisibility: Yes. |
| 00:34.59 | Pixel83 | hammerabi, could you please explain that? |
| 00:35.01 | Seicherl | as you mention SF: has anybody ever recovered files from an ext3? |
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| 00:35.20 | hammerabi | I don't like your chances |
| 00:35.30 | hammerabi | ext3 reuses blocks pretty quickly, I gather |
| 00:35.31 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yeah, I have. |
| 00:35.40 | beardy | Seicherl: Yes. (How would be a better questiion.) |
| 00:35.43 | hammerabi | Pixel83: kernel boot options that might help, assuming this is modern-ish pci hardware |
| 00:35.49 | Seicherl | really? can you lend my a helping hand? |
| 00:36.01 | kombi | regex help needed: if you look for every line that contains "Dec 30" and "21:17:01", what is the pattern? |
| 00:36.11 | bronaugh | Seicherl: first thing you should do when you lose files is immediately remount ro. |
| 00:36.11 | hammerabi | LostFrog: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?exact=0&searchon=names&version=all&case=insensitive&release=all&keywords=kernel-headers-2.6.8.1&arch=any |
| 00:36.13 | Pixel83 | hammerabi, how do I use that, can you give me an example? |
| 00:36.23 | peterS | kombi: in either order? need a compound regex for that |
| 00:36.23 | hammerabi | no |
| 00:36.25 | djtansey | somewhat non-debian specific question (but used for deb install) how do i write an ISO image to a partition (for use in an install of a PC without a CDROM) |
| 00:36.26 | Seicherl | thats what i did. |
| 00:36.39 | peterS | kombi: in the specified order: just: Dec 30.*21:17:01 |
| 00:36.40 | bronaugh | Seicherl: after that, you can try using a frontend to debugfs to recover the files, but my luck with that hasn't been good. the best I've done is using grep and dd. |
| 00:36.46 | kombi | peterS: what would that look like? something &? |
| 00:36.49 | beardy | djtansey: AFAIK you can't. |
| 00:36.55 | thingfish | djtansey: just copy the .iso to hard disk as it is. |
| 00:37.07 | peterS | kombi: depends on the regex engine. with perl you separate the two with | , with egrep you use \| |
| 00:37.08 | kombi | peterS: maybe that allready does it.. |
| 00:37.10 | djtansey | thingfish: how do you mean? i need to make it bootable. |
| 00:37.14 | thingfish | you can't mount the .iso loopback and install from there? |
| 00:37.14 | djtansey | beardy: not even with dd? |
| 00:37.18 | kombi | the above I mean |
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| 00:37.30 | Seicherl | bronaugh: is there a documentation somewhere? It's a bit late here and i'd like to do it in a couple of days... not now |
| 00:37.35 | thingfish | djtansey: don't ask me, I guess. |
| 00:37.37 | juice` | im building php from source, and configure says 'checking for GD support... no' even tho i have all deps for php4 installed |
| 00:37.41 | beardy | thingfish: He'd have to mount it and copy everything, and fiddle with it. |
| 00:37.42 | hammerabi | beardy: it's simple to drop it on a partition |
| 00:37.43 | bronaugh | Seicherl: I think there are howto's for it, yeah. |
| 00:37.45 | peterS | kombi: so like, in perl, /Dec 30.*21:17:01|21:17:01.*Dec 30/ |
| 00:37.47 | juice` | any idea which package i might be missing? |
| 00:37.52 | peterS | kombi: (where // are the regex delimiters) |
| 00:37.53 | beardy | hammerabi: I doubt that. |
| 00:37.54 | hammerabi | djtansey: dd if=/whatever of=/dev/hda1 |
| 00:37.57 | djtansey | beardy: dd if=whatever.iso of=/dev/partition_to_use |
| 00:37.57 | hammerabi | beardy: uh |
| 00:38.02 | djtansey | hammerabe: yup -- just remembered |
| 00:38.05 | thingfish | I'm boozing it, so don't ask me any damn thing. |
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| 00:38.12 | peterS | kombi: though actually in perl I'd just use two matches, like: /Dec 30/ && /21:17:01/ |
| 00:38.14 | Lafy | anyone know about samba and ADS? |
| 00:38.15 | hammerabi | djtansey: whether you can boot it or not is another matter |
| 00:38.23 | Seicherl | bronaugh: thats what i was looking for, but all i found was something like "you can't so it" |
| 00:38.27 | beardy | Oh well, perhaps hardrives can boot iso9660 filesystems, I may be wrong. |
| 00:38.30 | UncleD | peterS: Why does your regex have to be perl specific |
| 00:38.37 | djtansey | hammerabi: yeah... that's the big question. going to try to install grub to it using the grub data on it |
| 00:38.44 | peterS | UncleD: he didn't specify what regex engine he was using. so I gave an example. |
| 00:38.44 | Seicherl | i mean "do it" |
| 00:38.54 | hammerabi | djtansey: you can't netboot? |
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| 00:38.59 | UncleD | peterS: i meant generally, not an attack on you. just wondering |
| 00:39.08 | bronaugh | Seicherl: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Ext2fs-Undeletion.html |
| 00:39.13 | UncleD | peterS: i meant, is that perl specific, or a specific kind of regex specific. |
| 00:39.14 | djtansey | hammerabi: no pcmcia ethernet card. it's an old laptop |
| 00:39.22 | UncleD | ie. that should work in vi too, shouldn't it? |
| 00:39.42 | peterS | UncleD: the "|" character is engine-specific. perl uses | to separate alternative regexes, egrep and sed use \|, plain grep doesn't do it at all |
| 00:39.46 | resiak | UncleD: You might have to escape the | and things. |
| 00:39.52 | Seicherl | bronaugh: i tried a couple of ext2-tools, but they didn't work. |
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| 00:40.03 | bronaugh | debugfs will. |
| 00:40.18 | juice` | im building php from source, and configure says 'checking for GD support... no' even tho i have all needed deps installed i think (like libgd2 and libgd2-dev), which package i might be missing? its testing distro |
| 00:40.18 | Seicherl | nope |
| 00:40.19 | UncleD | peterS, I see. So | is like saying and? |
| 00:40.23 | kombi | UncleD peterS: lost track of all the different syntaxes for regex.. |
| 00:40.24 | UncleD | i mean , or |
| 00:40.26 | Seicherl | i haven't had a single match |
| 00:40.30 | peterS | UncleD: right, 'or' |
| 00:40.31 | beardy | Let me know when it boots.. |
| 00:40.41 | UncleD | peterS: kombi says you do a lot of regexing :) |
| 00:40.43 | asuffield | peterS: the way to write it without duplication and in a single regexp is /(.*(Dec 30|21:17:01).*){2}/, but that's quite slow on most regexp engines |
| 00:40.53 | PerfDave | juice`: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:40.55 | hammerabi | juice`: any particular reason to compile it? |
| 00:41.07 | kepht | hmm, i don't see the point of apt-listbugs, when it can't access bugs.debian.org |
| 00:41.07 | bronaugh | Seicherl: err, match? |
| 00:41.07 | peterS | kombi: it's a confusing subject. I tend to stick with perl for complex expressions as that's what I remember best |
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| 00:41.27 | peterS | asuffield: yeah that does look slow |
| 00:41.31 | kombi | peterS: As far as I understand it, perl supports regex the best |
| 00:41.34 | hammerabi | asuffield: won't that match "Dec 30Dec 30" as well? |
| 00:41.34 | Seicherl | bronaugh: i mean it couldn't find any deleted file on that partition. not a single one |
| 00:41.49 | juice` | PerfDave and hammerabi: some tweaks, really i have reason :) |
| 00:41.51 | bronaugh | Seicherl: ok, that's the same experience I had. |
| 00:41.51 | peterS | hammerabi: it will but in practical terms, one doesn't usually care |
| 00:41.52 | UncleD | Whena regex is captured into backreference #1 what does that mean exactly? |
| 00:42.07 | juice` | i want to optimize it more, i have very busy box |
| 00:42.08 | bronaugh | Seicherl: here's the painful way: |
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| 00:42.11 | Seicherl | bronaugh: and what did you do? |
| 00:42.11 | PerfDave | juice`: Have you read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages? |
| 00:42.16 | kombi | maybe I should reveal what I try to do: find the last entry before a crash in all logfiles |
| 00:42.18 | peterS | UncleD: it means you can refer to the text using "$1" or "\1" (again, depending on the implementation) later, outside the original regex |
| 00:42.20 | PerfDave | juice`: Use perl ;) |
| 00:42.21 | hammerabi | juice`: it's very unlikely that will help |
| 00:42.23 | Seicherl | bronaugh: i like it hard ;) |
| 00:42.25 | juice` | PerfDave: yes, i've compiled many packages under debian |
| 00:42.25 | bronaugh | Seicherl: use grep to search for known first-bytes of files. |
| 00:42.45 | hammerabi | juice`: regardless, rebuilding the php source package with whatever options you care about will be far simpler |
| 00:42.45 | cafuego | juice`: If you think you gain more cpu cycled from fast code that you wate recompiling stuff you're mistaken. |
| 00:42.45 | Seicherl | bronaugh: ????? |
| 00:42.45 | bronaugh | Seicherl: then you have offsets. then you use dd to capture the data at those offsets into files. |
| 00:42.45 | rredd4 | my grub.conf is not in the /etc where is it? |
| 00:42.48 | peterS | rredd4: /boot/grub/ |
| 00:42.50 | hammerabi | rredd4: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:42.50 | thingfish | why do you compile. it hurts the baby penguins, when you compile. |
| 00:42.58 | kombi | boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:42.58 | hammerabi | rredd4: grub.conf is a redhat-ism |
| 00:43.00 | UncleD | oh. So backreferencing means that you can reference later in your program for example without re-writing the entire regex? |
| 00:43.09 | rredd4 | k |
| 00:43.11 | rredd4 | ty |
| 00:43.16 | Seicherl | bronaugh: i don't know the bytes. I deleted about 200 jpg-pics |
| 00:43.20 | peterS | UncleD: it means that when you've matched some text, you can use bits of the text you matched, later in your program |
| 00:43.22 | juice` | cafuego: i was thinking about memory optimization, becouse i dont use almost anything (not many extensions) in php |
| 00:43.35 | bronaugh | Seicherl: basically, grep -b /dev/hda<whatever> "string" > dump |
| 00:43.41 | hammerabi | juice`: only modules in use get loaded |
| 00:43.52 | bronaugh | Seicherl: then look at dump, use a disk editor perhaps (LDE) to examine the data at that offset |
| 00:43.54 | peterS | bronaugh: grep takes the string before the file, on the command line |
| 00:43.56 | bronaugh | Seicherl: then use dd to recover. |
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| 00:43.59 | juice` | besides, i was working with zts-experimental + worker, it was unstable, but was much more stable than it is now on my server, becouse of the too heavy load |
| 00:44.03 | cafuego | juice`: So don't load 'em. (The standard ones really don't use ram is they're not used). |
| 00:44.04 | bronaugh | peterS: agh, you're right. |
| 00:44.13 | Seicherl | ok, what is a diskeditor and what is dd? |
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| 00:44.19 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yeah, grep -b "somestring" /dev/hda<whatever> |
| 00:44.22 | UncleD | someone wrote: /(.*(Dec 30|21:17:01).*){2}/ *. .* is a backreference right? |
| 00:44.31 | juice` | i dont, it is all about zts-experimental to be honest |
| 00:44.36 | bronaugh | Seicherl: disk editor lets you look at, and modify, a disk's partition directly. |
| 00:44.42 | peterS | UncleD: the parentheses create a backref, yes |
| 00:44.50 | juice` | and a little about optimization, but if you say it doesnt give me anything i believe you |
| 00:44.54 | kombi | what can you do to forensically research a system crash when nothing suspicious is found in the log files..? |
| 00:44.56 | cafuego | juice`: apache has a throttling module to deal with load. |
| 00:45.04 | hammerabi | UncleD: .* by itself does not create a backreference |
| 00:45.07 | bronaugh | Seicherl: dd lets you copy data at an offset, of a certain size, in one file, to another file. |
| 00:45.13 | juice` | i thought modern CPUs are much mroe powerful than i386 were also in terms of some tweaks durning compile time |
| 00:45.20 | Seicherl | bronaugh: ok, and what should "something" look like? part of the filename? part of the byte-stream? what? |
| 00:45.23 | hammerabi | juice`: not usually |
| 00:45.32 | bronaugh | Seicherl: part of the byte stream. |
| 00:45.44 | bronaugh | Seicherl: identifying data that would hopefully only be in those files. |
| 00:45.53 | hammerabi | juice`: because they have to remain compatible with code for actual i386, most of the effort in intel cpu design goes into doing complicated optimisations at runtime instead of compile time |
| 00:45.57 | Seicherl | bronaugh: OMG... i don't know the filestream of an jpg-file |
| 00:46.00 | juice` | cafuego: its not possible to serve so many clients on this server with prefork+mod_php and also worker+fastcgi is not good for me for various reasons |
| 00:46.06 | UncleD | so ()'s create a back reference? |
| 00:46.07 | bronaugh | Seicherl: they start with JFIF |
| 00:46.26 | Seicherl | bronaugh: *g* thx |
| 00:46.30 | juice` | hammerabi: i didnt know that, but its still few percent, right? |
| 00:46.38 | Seicherl | bronaugh: you got a bit time to spend? |
| 00:46.46 | bronaugh | I'll be around-ish |
| 00:46.47 | cafuego | juice`: What sort of specs does it have and how many simultaneous clients are you serving? |
| 00:46.57 | hammerabi | juice`: you'd have to benchmark your particular load to find out |
| 00:47.10 | juice` | hammerabi: it might be the border line, on which my memory starts using swap space as memory, slowing down everything |
| 00:47.14 | Seicherl | bronaugh: just starting up my desktop... i'll have a look on it now. |
| 00:47.21 | Seicherl | bronaugh: just starting up my desktop... i'll have a look on it now. |
| 00:47.27 | hammerabi | juice`: gcc optimisation flags can make code slower, you need to actually benchmark what you're doing if you hope to gain |
| 00:47.32 | Seicherl | bronaugh: maybe you can lead me trough |
| 00:48.05 | hammerabi | juice`: anyway, if you care, install pentium-builder, configure i to use whatever flags you want, then sudo apt-get build-dep php4 ; apt-get source -b php4 |
| 00:48.12 | juice` | cafuego: it all depends, on is it KeepAlive option is set to on or off, and which mpm of apache i use, usually its 50-60 requests per second, but this server is also for mail and such |
| 00:48.38 | Pixel83 | hammerabi, I tried to apply those boot parameters to grub but I don't think I succeeded... :( |
| 00:48.49 | juice` | hammerabi: i think php4 is broken for at least 2 months, in terms of build-dep compatibility |
| 00:48.53 | cafuego | juice`: Well, the module is most likely going to be faster and lighter on resources than the cgi version. |
| 00:48.58 | juice` | hammerabi: on debian, so that wont work |
| 00:48.59 | hammerabi | Pixel83: ok |
| 00:49.01 | bronaugh | Seicherl: I'll give you some help anyhow. |
| 00:49.03 | hammerabi | juice`: hah |
| 00:49.04 | hammerabi | go php |
| 00:49.19 | cafuego | juice`: You can also try giving php a lower memory limit |
| 00:49.20 | Seicherl | bronaugh: thxs mate ;) |
| 00:49.21 | juice` | i hammerabi: i mean, building it is broken |
| 00:49.24 | kombi | juice: do you see 50 requests/sec on mod_status? |
| 00:49.28 | hammerabi | juice`: I'd be pretty surprised if it didn't build on sarge |
| 00:49.38 | juice` | kombi: yes, something like that, when i was using worker |
| 00:50.02 | cafuego | juice`: Filteting out xmlrpc probes may cut that rate in half too ;-) |
| 00:50.03 | kombi | how much ram, just out of couriousity? |
| 00:50.05 | juice` | kombi: now i switched back to prefork, and my apache wants to multiply up to 120 or so, even if i have KeepAlive to Off |
| 00:50.10 | juice` | with set to On it peaks to 300 |
| 00:50.29 | kombi | apache2 that is? |
| 00:50.32 | Seicherl | bronaugh: ok, I'm greping... |
| 00:50.32 | juice` | hammerabi: it depends on libdb4.2-dev and libdb4.3-dev both |
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| 00:50.39 | cafuego | juice`: Prefork will ONLY do that if you tell it it CAN do 300 in the config file. |
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| 00:50.52 | cafuego | juice`: if you set it to 64 servers max it won't spawn more. |
| 00:50.54 | aubergine | how can i safe the output of the steps of a shellscript in a file |
| 00:50.55 | juice` | hammerabi: to be precise, it depends on something which depends on db4.3/4.2 |
| 00:51.06 | Seicherl | bronaugh: it says "Binary file /dev/hda6 matches |
| 00:51.11 | xsdg | aubergine: sh -x foo.sh > output.log |
| 00:51.16 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yeah, you have to tell it its ASCII text. |
| 00:51.16 | juice` | cafuego: of couse, i know it, but if i lower it, my hosting becomes very slow :) |
| 00:51.19 | cafuego | juice`: You need to install either one of those db4.* by hand. |
| 00:51.29 | Seicherl | bronaugh: how? |
| 00:51.32 | bronaugh | Seicherl: grep -b -a "JFIF" /dev/hda6 |
| 00:51.32 | juice` | cafuego: --force-all right? |
| 00:51.36 | bronaugh | Seicherl: -a option. |
| 00:51.41 | cafuego | juice`: No, sudo apt-get install db4.2 |
| 00:51.48 | Seicherl | bronaugh: ok |
| 00:51.53 | cafuego | juice`: It ants either, but can't pick automagically. |
| 00:51.53 | juice` | i can't, these are in conflict |
| 00:51.54 | aubergine | xsdg: thx |
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| 00:51.58 | xsdg | cafuego: -dev? |
| 00:52.04 | cafuego | xsdg: Umm, yes. |
| 00:52.11 | xsdg | aubergine: np |
| 00:52.14 | cafuego | juice`: Well, pick one or the other. |
| 00:52.24 | Seicherl | wow |
| 00:52.33 | juice` | caufego: i picked 4.3 and everything goes ok, but it says i have no GD support |
| 00:52.36 | Seicherl | bronaugh: MAN! there comes the data |
| 00:52.41 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yup. |
| 00:52.46 | juice` | cafuego: and GD is one of the few extensions i need |
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| 00:53.02 | juice` | cafuego: and i have libgd2-dev installed, so i don't know which package i might be missing |
| 00:53.06 | cafuego | juice`: that's where the 'sudo apt-get build-dep libapache-mod-php4' comes in. |
| 00:53.13 | Seicherl | ok, i think i should put that stuff somewhere but my screen, shouldnt i |
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| 00:53.23 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yeah, redirect it to a file. |
| 00:53.32 | hammerabi | juice`: even in sarge? |
| 00:53.36 | Seicherl | i hope i got enough space left... |
| 00:53.41 | hammerabi | that is quite suck |
| 00:53.44 | juice` | The following packages will be REMOVED: apache-dev apache2-prefork-dev libapr0-dev libdb4.3-dev |
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| 00:54.05 | juice` | The following NEW packages will be installed: libdb4.2-dev . ( this is what happens when i type apt-get build-dep libapache-mod-php4) |
| 00:54.21 | cafuego | juice`: Sounds fine, just let it do its thing. |
| 00:54.30 | juice` | cafuego: then it will be lacking libdb4.3-dev |
| 00:54.43 | Seicherl | bronaugh: ok, that might take some time |
| 00:54.45 | cafuego | juice`: it'll use libdb4.2-dev instead, which is fine. |
| 00:54.50 | Gnea | hrm |
| 00:54.59 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yup. it's a crappy way of doing things. but it can work. |
| 00:55.01 | Gnea | juice`: yeah, that's a dependancy |
| 00:55.21 | fusion | The following NEW packages will be installed: world-domination |
| 00:55.27 | fusion | I just let it do its thing |
| 00:55.34 | Seicherl | bronaugh: what is it actually doing? greping all jpg-files into one ascii-file? |
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| 00:55.52 | juice` | i will do it again then, but im pretty sure php4 will then fail on dependancy |
| 00:56.06 | juice` | it still have nothing to do with GD i think |
| 00:56.33 | bronaugh | Seicherl: it's pumping the offsets of all suspected JPEG headers into a file. |
| 00:56.34 | aubergine | xsdg: ok this works, but safes only the echo output's, how can i safe all output? |
| 00:57.04 | bronaugh | Seicherl: how big are the files? |
| 00:57.09 | Seicherl | bronaugh: ok... whatever you say. I'm a programmer, not an OS-pro |
| 00:57.15 | Seicherl | well... fotos |
| 00:57.28 | blondie | foto is not a word |
| 00:57.28 | juice` | hammerabi: didnt try sarge, i tried unstable and testing tho, and this problem is there for 2 months |
| 00:57.39 | blondie | dpkg :o |
| 00:57.40 | bronaugh | Seicherl: so up to a meg? |
| 00:57.45 | Seicherl | sorry blondy |
| 00:57.56 | xsdg | aubergine: what aoutput is excluded? (if there's stuff on stderr, you can save it with 2> stderr.log; alternatively, you save them both to the same file with sh -x foo.sh 2>&1 >& alloutput.log) |
| 00:58.04 | Seicherl | bronaugh: nope. guess about 300-500 K |
| 00:58.06 | Hue|Pub | wtf - what's happened to dpkg again? |
| 00:58.22 | bronaugh | Seicherl: ok, so once you have some offsets, the first thing you'll want to do is round the offsets. |
| 00:58.28 | xsdg | aubergine: I think there may be some redundant notation in there, but that's what I usually use, anhd it works |
| 00:58.29 | kombi | what's this: "access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost'" ? |
| 00:58.36 | xsdg | s#anhd#and# |
| 00:58.41 | Seicherl | bronaugh: it's still working |
| 00:58.46 | bronaugh | Seicherl: since files only start on a 512-byte boundary, take the offsets and make them mod-512 |
| 00:58.58 | xsdg | kombi: that's an overly long username, though I'm not sure; what' shte context? |
| 00:59.01 | bronaugh | Seicherl: ie, round down. |
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| 00:59.11 | aubergine | xsdg: yes this works fine, thank ya very much :) |
| 00:59.16 | fusion | if you removed that sql user, kombi, it's munted |
| 00:59.21 | xsdg | aubergine: np |
| 00:59.23 | hammerabi | juice`: yes, that's not very surprising |
| 00:59.27 | kombi | xdsg: shows while booting |
| 00:59.29 | bronaugh | Seicherl: actually, just divide the offset by 1024 and take the integer part. |
| 00:59.32 | bronaugh | Seicherl: that's simpler |
| 00:59.36 | xsdg | kombi: oh; dunno |
| 00:59.38 | bronaugh | (we can assume at least a 1kb block size) |
| 00:59.44 | hammerabi | kombi: did you mess with the mysql accounts? |
| 00:59.49 | juice` | hammerabi: sarge has so old packages... :( |
| 00:59.49 | Seicherl | bronaugh: sorry, could you wait a bit, it hasnt finished |
| 01:00.04 | hammerabi | juice`: does backports.org have php? |
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| 01:00.12 | kombi | xdsg: mysql it seems to be |
| 01:00.14 | Seicherl | bronaugh: its a PII and the partition is about 90 GB |
| 01:00.18 | bronaugh | Seicherl: then dd if=/dev/hda6 of=<some file>.jpg count=600 bs=1024 skip=<the offset> |
| 01:00.24 | bronaugh | Seicherl: just giving you an overview right now. |
| 01:00.31 | kombi | hammerabi: not to my knowing |
| 01:00.33 | Seicherl | ok |
| 01:00.33 | bronaugh | Seicherl: so that you'll know what's needed, etc. |
| 01:00.54 | juice` | hammerabi: didnt even know about them, nice site |
| 01:00.55 | bronaugh | now, I'm thinking we might be able to eliminate some false positives here... |
| 01:00.57 | Seicherl | bronaugh: where do i take the offsets from? |
| 01:01.18 | kombi | hammerbi: where is that thing called from and what cedentials might it exepect? |
| 01:01.19 | bronaugh | Seicherl: see the output of grep? take those #'s, divide by 1024 (to put them on 1kb boundaries) |
| 01:01.35 | cafuego | juice`: sarge has *stable* packages. Which is good when you're hosting. |
| 01:01.55 | juice` | cafuego: might be good, might be bad, it really isnt so simple |
| 01:02.00 | bronaugh | Seicherl: then use the dd command specified about 12 lines back to copy the data at that offset to a file |
| 01:02.01 | hammerabi | kombi: the mysql maintenance scripts use it |
| 01:02.02 | Seicherl | bronaugh: what #s? thats just a bunch of chars |
| 01:02.15 | bronaugh | Seicherl: should be printing out offsets. |
| 01:02.29 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.29 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.44 | juice` | cafuego: like rewriting scripts to work with register_globals off, php 4.4.1 made some great improvments to make this process easy |
| 01:02.48 | cafuego | juice`: Of course it is. You can't run a just-released version of softwre, compiled by a kid in a basement, with god knows what sort of bugs, on a production server. |
| 01:02.55 | Seicherl | bronaugh: ok, theres always a number at the beginning. do you mean those? |
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| 01:02.59 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yes. |
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| 01:03.18 | bronaugh | just put the output through cut -f0 -d: |
| 01:03.24 | Seicherl | bronaugh: ok, i take them and divide them by 1024 |
| 01:03.29 | cafuego | juice`: At leat, *I* can't do that. |
| 01:03.34 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yup. |
| 01:03.41 | kombi | hammerabi: whoops, seems I did mess with those, though I get rid of that debian-sys-maint because it might be a security issue.. |
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| 01:03.54 | Seicherl | then feed the dd with those numbers |
| 01:04.00 | juice` | cafuego: i hope testing distro is not maintained by kids in basements :) |
| 01:04.06 | bronaugh | Seicherl: as described |
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| 01:04.34 | cafuego | juice`: No, but backports.org probably is <heh> |
| 01:04.42 | Seicherl | ok and then? |
| 01:04.56 | hammerabi | kombi: you really should read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian before doing things like that... |
| 01:04.58 | bronaugh | Seicherl: then you've got a bunch of potential JPEG files. |
| 01:05.00 | juice` | cafuego: even if it is, they do pretty good job, i just want my GD lib to compile. i even compiled it sucessfully once, some time ago, and i have no idea which package i installed back then to make it install |
| 01:05.17 | bronaugh | Seicherl: you can then use the 'file' command to filter a bit more, then something like gqview to look through them. |
| 01:05.25 | cafuego | juice`: Mind you, I did a sid php5 backport to sarge for a secondary box yesterday. |
| 01:05.26 | kombi | how can I find out what password debian-sys-maint has in mysql? |
| 01:05.34 | fusion | you can;t |
| 01:05.36 | Seicherl | what file-command? |
| 01:05.40 | fusion | its encrypted |
| 01:05.44 | cafuego | kombi: that's probably set in /etc/mysql/debian.cf |
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| 01:05.47 | bronaugh | Seicherl: 'file' |
| 01:05.54 | juice` | cafuego : its php4 in my case |
| 01:05.56 | cafuego | kombi: You should NOT change it or attempt to fiddle with it. |
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| 01:06.03 | juice` | cafuego: maybe the best time to move to 5... |
| 01:06.05 | Seicherl | bronaugh: yeah, but how shall i filter with it? |
| 01:06.09 | cafuego | juice`: Yeah, that's what I run on the production machine. |
| 01:06.11 | kombi | cafuego: damage done.. |
| 01:06.16 | hammerabi | kombi: hm, not in there, it seems |
| 01:06.18 | fusion | by recreating it you might make a security issue yourself |
| 01:06.32 | cafuego | kombi: I'm just seeing how 5 goes... dunno if it's lighter or heavier then 4. |
| 01:06.35 | bronaugh | Seicherl: you'll figure it out. |
| 01:06.40 | mith | cafuego: huh, why not change it? so long as you change it in the .cnf file and in the database everything's cool ? |
| 01:06.54 | kombi | got it.. |
| 01:06.56 | juice` | cafuego : so any idea what could GD need? |
| 01:06.59 | BR_WARRIOR1 | My anjuta just die during his initialization. I just made apt-get install anjuta (debian etch), I have not debian-dev package installed. Someone can show me te light? |
| 01:07.06 | Seicherl | bronaugh: will i have to do the dd-stuff with every single offset? |
| 01:07.07 | cafuego | mith: provided you rememeber to update privs |
| 01:07.21 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yeah. I told you this method sucks :) |
| 01:07.27 | Seicherl | bronaugh: i mean by myself? |
| 01:07.29 | cafuego | BR_WARRIOR1: sudo apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:07.32 | bronaugh | Seicherl: script it. |
| 01:07.42 | Seicherl | bronaugh: will.... easy spoken |
| 01:07.52 | kombi | so that sys-maint goes into db mysql and table db and gets all rights? |
| 01:07.52 | juice` | of course when i uninstalled libdb4.3-dev now im lacking it |
| 01:07.57 | bronaugh | Seicherl: there's some other filtering you can do... if offsets are too close together obviously the files are small. |
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| 01:08.02 | bronaugh | Seicherl: so you can forget those offsets. |
| 01:08.09 | fusion | thats the problem kombi |
| 01:08.12 | juice` | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: apache-dev (>= 1.3.23) apache2-prefork-dev (>= 2.0.53-3) |
| 01:08.18 | fusion | you dont know what perms it should have |
| 01:08.30 | juice` | this will need libdb4.3-dev, and the 4.3 is in conflict with 4.2, and the horror begins again... |
| 01:08.42 | cafuego | juice`: Ha. fetch the .deb and use --force-all. |
| 01:08.50 | cafuego | or at least --force-depends |
| 01:08.51 | kombi | fusion: seems like the script checks for broken tables at startup |
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| 01:08.52 | Seicherl | bronaugh: ok. well, i could fetch all numbers out of the ascii-stream. so i get a list of offsets. true? |
| 01:08.55 | cafuego | juice`: ... and file a bugreport. |
| 01:09.03 | BR_WARRIOR1 | cafuego, done! But anjuta still dying |
| 01:09.03 | juice` | cafuego: i did it, it didnt help to build my GD, becouse i think it has nothing to do with GD |
| 01:09.08 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yes... just use 'cut' as described. |
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| 01:09.16 | cafuego | juice`: Oh, are you building the php source from security.debian.org? |
| 01:09.23 | kombi | fusion: mind looking that up on your box? |
| 01:09.29 | bronaugh | Seicherl: then you can use some perl, or C, or whatever language you like, to filter the list and remove some of the obviously bogus ones. |
| 01:09.30 | juice` | cafuego: i reported it 2 months ago on this channel, some dev told me he pasted it on dev channel. maybe he wasnt dev? :/ |
| 01:09.39 | Seicherl | bronaugh: oh shit. could you write the cut-statement down again? i lost it |
| 01:09.53 | bronaugh | Seicherl: then you can run through the list using perl, or C, or bash, or whatever language you want and 'dd' the files. |
| 01:09.53 | juice` | cafuego: no, but i have security.debian.org added to my repo also |
| 01:10.01 | juice` | cafuego: but its from another source, why ? |
| 01:10.12 | cafuego | juice`: As deb or as deb-src ? |
| 01:10.14 | bronaugh | Seicherl: cut -f 0 -d ":" |
| 01:10.25 | juice` | cafuego: i just checked, its only as deb |
| 01:10.37 | juice` | cafuego: i have some official sites as deb-src |
| 01:10.46 | cafuego | juice`: Then adding it as deb-src and fetching a newer source will probably help. |
| 01:10.52 | bronaugh | Seicherl: basically, this is the really hard way of doing this. but at least it'll work. |
| 01:11.17 | juice` | cafuego: but this prolem is for 2 months, i dont think there might be something newer released just a while ago... |
| 01:11.36 | Seicherl | bronaugh: hey man, if this works, you're my hero and saved my holiday-pictures from SanFran!! |
| 01:11.40 | juice` | cafuego: and everything older than while is mirrored i think, well at least once per day |
| 01:12.02 | bronaugh | Seicherl: how many photos, and how many photos were on the drive? |
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| 01:12.20 | juice` | cafuego: but im doing it of course |
| 01:12.28 | Seicherl | well... fotos i deleted... don't know could be 200 |
| 01:12.30 | bronaugh | Seicherl: basically I'm asking how big the haystack is. |
| 01:12.44 | Seicherl | well... fotos i on the drive, maybe 150 more |
| 01:12.45 | bronaugh | Seicherl: and was there a browser cache on the drive? |
| 01:12.54 | juice` | still 'apt-get build-dep php4' gives 'E: Build-dependencies for php4 could not be satisfied.' |
| 01:13.04 | Seicherl | bronaugh: browser cache? |
| 01:13.13 | bronaugh | Seicherl: ie, did you also use the drive as a home directory? |
| 01:13.15 | juice` | nothing changed |
| 01:13.16 | bronaugh | or that partition. |
| 01:13.17 | Seicherl | bronaugh: its a plain stupid fileserver |
| 01:13.26 | Seicherl | bronaugh: yep. |
| 01:13.28 | bronaugh | Seicherl: ok, so no other JPEG files. |
| 01:13.38 | kombi | could anyone look up debian-sys-maint's privileges in his/her mysql? |
| 01:13.44 | bronaugh | you might actually have pretty good luck then |
| 01:13.49 | juice` | so the question is, does anynoe remembers which specific package could GD php extension need? |
| 01:14.03 | Seicherl | bronaugh: well, a couple of... but not too much. maybe 200 more... all together it could be 500 files. i don't know |
| 01:14.03 | juice` | to be built |
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| 01:14.14 | sfullenwider | how does one configure cups? |
| 01:14.19 | bronaugh | Seicherl: ok, so it's manageable. that's what I wanted to know. |
| 01:14.31 | Seicherl | bronaugh: ;) |
| 01:14.39 | bronaugh | Seicherl: fortunately not many file formats care if there's extra data at the end of files. |
| 01:14.55 | bronaugh | Seicherl: so copying -more- data than we need will be OK. |
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| 01:15.12 | Seicherl | bronaugh: as long as the drive is big enough. |
| 01:15.14 | hammerabi | sfullenwider: http://localhost:631/ |
| 01:15.29 | bronaugh | Seicherl: yeah, well, 500 files at 600k each isn't too huge. 250M. |
| 01:15.59 | Seicherl | bronaugh: right... anyway, how can i check the drives (size, available space) via console? |
| 01:16.18 | bronaugh | Seicherl: df |
| 01:16.27 | Seicherl | bronaugh: thx |
| 01:17.03 | Seicherl | bronaugh: well 15 GB available... that should be enough |
| 01:18.33 | Seicherl | bronaugh: is there a way to end an ssh-session and let the running jobs work till they are finished? |
| 01:19.02 | juice` | so the question is, does anynoe remembers which specific package could GD php extension need? to be build with dpkg-buildpackage on testing distro (its php4) |
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| 01:19.19 | chantel | hey |
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| 01:19.41 | beardy | Seicherl: screen |
| 01:19.55 | gravity | nohup |
| 01:19.55 | Seicherl | and then? |
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| 01:20.17 | Seicherl | command not found |
| 01:20.23 | blondie | apt-get install screen |
| 01:20.28 | Seicherl | lol |
| 01:20.41 | beardy | Seicherl: Three points if you can guess what you should do then. |
| 01:20.57 | Seicherl | hmm... RTFM? |
| 01:21.14 | beardy | Seicherl: That gives you five, I thought about installing it ;) |
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| 01:21.40 | Seicherl | well, that what apt-get should do, don't you think? |
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| 01:22.49 | Seicherl | the thing is, i'd like to shut down my desktop, so i can get some sleep. but it looks like that grep-job could take a night. |
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| 01:23.27 | Seicherl | so handing it over to the server would be great so i can quit the ssh-session and shutdown my machine |
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| 01:24.58 | Seicherl | is this what screen is doing? (sorry, my server's a bit lame, i got no chance of reading the manual yet= |
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| 01:26.00 | juice` | ohhh i think i know which one i needed, libgd2-xpm-dev |
| 01:26.14 | juice` | not libgd2-dev |
| 01:26.23 | hammerabi | are there any tools which can encode a dvd to ogg vorbis/theora with all the audio tracks? |
| 01:27.34 | juice` | no it wasnt it. oh well. |
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| 01:28.50 | Harley^ | Howdy |
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| 01:30.19 | Seicherl | erm... this screen-stuff doesn't look like that kind of tool i would need now |
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| 01:30.59 | Harley^ | I wanted to come back and thank everyone for helping me (& my neighbor helping me) earlier. My new monitor is a huge improvement over the 17 inch one and with the accessibility features that have been upgraded in Debian Etch AMD64, I really am pleased at its functionality. Again, thank you to those who kindly helped. |
| 01:33.26 | Seicherl | ok, i think i will let this work on its own and have a look on that dump-file tomorrow |
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| 01:34.23 | TGoC | How can i tell top to sort on memory usage? |
| 01:34.24 | Seicherl | bronaugh: thanks so far, i hope it works when i come back tomorrow. Anyway, feel invited for a beer or other drink! |
| 01:34.57 | hammerabi | TGoC: fN |
| 01:35.00 | hammerabi | or Fn, I forget |
| 01:35.01 | Seicherl | happy new year everybody! and good night |
| 01:36.17 | TGoC | both not working hammerabi |
| 01:37.24 | kapil | TGoC: M |
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| 01:37.29 | hammerabi | Fn works for me |
| 01:37.53 | TGoC | top: unknown argument 'M' |
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| 01:38.31 | kapil | TGoC: not an argument. Type 'M' while in top. |
| 01:39.03 | TGoC | oh k |
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| 01:39.23 | kapil | TGoC: alternative. Type 'FN' while in top. |
| 01:40.31 | TGoC | Mem: 262144k total, 219832k used, 42312k free, 0k buffers |
| 01:40.35 | TGoC | i find it alot of use |
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| 01:40.44 | TGoC | and mysqld is using 8% |
| 01:40.54 | TGoC | and apache has like 15 top positions |
| 01:41.00 | TGoC | (including apache-ssl) |
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| 01:42.05 | TGoC | Is that alot of usage ? |
| 01:42.33 | kapil | TGoC: and since you are running a web server that is a good thing. |
| 01:42.53 | TGoC | but uhm do i need to upgrade my memory yes or no? |
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| 01:43.22 | TGoC | Cause it's a criminal game running on it and it easily hits 25 different users at daytime |
| 01:43.40 | TGoC | and then were speaking about QUIET |
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| 01:44.06 | Coweater | TGoC: how much is cached? |
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| 01:45.11 | TGoC | 1238796k cached |
| 01:45.23 | TGoC | ? |
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| 01:45.36 | TGoC | Mem: 262144k total, 219920k used, 42224k free, 0k buffers |
| 01:45.36 | TGoC | Swap: 9977856k total, 480928k used, 9496928k free, 1239304k cached |
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| 01:46.23 | earthling | **ERROR: [mplex] File /home/mike/TheApostle-001.mp3 unrecogniseable! <<- from qdvdauthor... What the 'f' is up with this...?? |
| 01:46.52 | kapil | TGoC: i think Coweater means run 'free' and look at the second line of output. |
| 01:46.59 | TGoC | I need to give a person some advise wether or not to upgrade, He has a Virtual Private Server wich are multiple servers running on 1 server, wich actually is fine really besides the fact that your not allowed to change date |
| 01:47.11 | TGoC | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.12 | TGoC | Mem: 262144 219344 42800 0 0 1234032 |
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| 01:48.06 | marccd | what AUTH methods does PAM support? |
| 01:48.15 | Coweater | probably fine on memory |
| 01:48.26 | beardy | marccd: Alot. |
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| 01:48.42 | marccd | beardy: CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 ? |
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| 01:50.37 | tizzy1 | what popular 3d games are there for linux ? i have heard of Unreal and doom. |
| 01:50.57 | Coweater | quake * |
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| 01:53.31 | tizzy1 | thanks coweater |
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| 01:54.18 | abrotman | mm .. 9pm .. time for dinner |
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| 01:54.44 | abrotman | tizzy1: happypenguin.org |
| 01:55.39 | blondie | abrotman your clock is wrong! |
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| 01:56.09 | abrotman | no |
| 01:56.17 | marccd | nobody cares abrotman |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | marccd: about what ? |
| 01:56.33 | resiak | !abrotman |
| 01:56.38 | abrotman | resiak: bot dead |
| 01:56.40 | resiak | @abrotman |
| 01:56.40 | octoberdan | Does anyone here where the package manager keeps the list of packages waiting to be installed? |
| 01:56.43 | resiak | ... |
| 01:56.45 | resiak | ~abrotman |
| 01:56.48 | resiak | .... |
| 01:56.49 | octoberdan | I want to clear mine |
| 01:56.53 | abrotman | resiak: i dont' think the others had it |
| 01:56.57 | resiak | abrotman: :( |
| 01:57.05 | lunitik | octoberdan: apt-get clean |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | octoberdan: you mean available ? .. or to be installed ? |
| 01:57.19 | resiak | abrotman > marccd |
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| 01:57.28 | octoberdan | abrotman: to be installed |
| 01:57.30 | octoberdan | thankss! |
| 01:57.30 | abrotman | resiak: every tard knows that .. |
| 01:57.33 | resiak | abrotman: ;) |
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| 01:57.53 | abrotman | resiak: can i come live wiht you ? |
| 01:57.59 | resiak | abrotman: Sure. |
| 01:58.03 | typewriter | i notice in debian, if you remove a pkg, it wont delete it's conf files, thats fine, but itll also leave cron jobs?? |
| 01:58.16 | zxc | can anyone tell how to make apt-setup prompt me about non-free and contrib? |
| 01:58.17 | abrotman | typewriter: man apt-get ... look for purge |
| 01:58.23 | abrotman | typewriter: man dpkg .. look for purge |
| 01:58.25 | marccd | typewriter: --purge |
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| 01:59.16 | abrotman | i'm still not done with my dinner! |
| 01:59.28 | thc | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 01:59.34 | thc | fucking dpkg |
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| 01:59.40 | abrotman | thc: i'm not a yinzer |
| 01:59.45 | thc | abrotman: says you |
| 01:59.48 | lunitik | zxc: just add it to the lines that state 'main' :/ |
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| 02:00.16 | zxc | lunitik I just want to learn how to fix it (debconf, dpkg-reconfigure) I can't figure out how yet |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | thc: i've never spent more than .. three or four consecutive days in that area |
| 02:00.40 | thc | abrotman: i don't even remember what area "yinzer" refers to |
| 02:00.51 | lunitik | zxc: why do it via dpkg-reconfigure when you can do it by just typing? |
| 02:00.51 | abrotman | thc: pittsburgh |
| 02:01.01 | lunitik | and save like 5 mins |
| 02:01.04 | thc | abrotman: i'll note that in my palm pilot |
| 02:01.10 | abrotman | thc: doubtful :) |
| 02:01.32 | zxc | lunitik: I just want to know why some debian installations prompts for non-free and some others dont, and how to make them all consistant. |
| 02:01.49 | marccd | THE GODFATHER |
| 02:01.49 | mbirkis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.13 | zxc | I know how to add it with vi on the sources.list, I just want to learn more about debian internals and make my boxes consistant with each other |
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| 02:03.01 | marccd | zxc: install ubuntu |
| 02:03.03 | zxc | there's something related to debconf, but I just can't make dpkg-reconfigure base-system to change it |
| 02:03.17 | lunitik | zxc: dpkg-reconfigure debconf on each box, and make sure they are set to the same level? :| |
| 02:03.20 | abrotman | marccd: are you stupid? |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | marccd: what the hell does ubuntu have to do with his question ? |
| 02:03.54 | zxc | abrotman I think it was supposed to be an insult or something |
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| 02:04.48 | marccd | abrotman: don corleon |
| 02:04.57 | lunitik | I thought ALL did REPLIES? |
| 02:05.06 | marccd | abrotman: sorry, I was saying that Ubuntu has a nice installer, I mean, more polished than Deb |
| 02:05.08 | abrotman | marccd: did you get an answer to your question yet ? |
| 02:05.17 | abrotman | marccd: you're fully stupid .. since they use the same installer |
| 02:05.17 | marccd | abrotman: yes |
| 02:05.32 | marccd | abrotman: ubuntu is more plished, no insults please |
| 02:05.39 | abrotman | marccd: you're a fucking idiot |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | marccd: do you want your question answered or not ? |
| 02:05.55 | marccd | abrotman: I dont have a question, i fixed my problem already |
| 02:05.56 | octoberdan | dude... |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | zxc: dpkg-reconfigure apt-setup .. see if that does anything |
| 02:06.03 | lunitik | marccd: ubuntus installer is just debian's installer, with a crap configuration... |
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| 02:06.13 | marccd | lunitik: oh I thought it was modified |
| 02:06.21 | abrotman | see .. fully stuipd |
| 02:06.23 | abrotman | stupid |
| 02:06.28 | zxc | abrotman apt-setup is part of base-config so I've tried dpkg-reconfigure -plow base-config and it didnt prompt me anything about it |
| 02:06.35 | lunitik | marccd: might as well make your own, and have it not ask any questions rather than some of their answers |
| 02:06.36 | thc | is p.d.o down? or just extremely slow right now... |
| 02:06.37 | abrotman | zxc: nm .. i thought i saw a debconf setting for it |
| 02:06.42 | marccd | Its ok abrotman I forgive you |
| 02:06.50 | beardy | Haha |
| 02:06.53 | abrotman | marccd: because you're stupid ? |
| 02:06.55 | marccd | let mehug you, come into my arms |
| 02:06.57 | abrotman | thc: seems fine |
| 02:07.02 | zxc | abrotman there is, but dpkg-reconfigure is returning without even asking anything |
| 02:07.02 | marccd | because I have compassion |
| 02:07.03 | thc | yeah, it loaded |
| 02:07.08 | thc | took forever though |
| 02:07.17 | marccd | abrotman, isnt your dinner getting cold? |
| 02:07.19 | abrotman | thc: oh wait .. are you doing a package search ? |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | marccd: piss off |
| 02:07.24 | thc | abrotman: yeah, i was |
| 02:07.31 | marccd | abrotman: yeah I would check on it |
| 02:07.33 | thc | from the smart bookmark in Galeon |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | thc: yeah .. something is wrong with it .. takes a while |
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| 02:09.13 | micahf | hey what is the name of that launcher again that looks like mac os x? |
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| 02:09.35 | beardy | micahf: launcher? |
| 02:09.43 | abrotman | micahf: the dock? |
| 02:09.47 | zxc | abrotman I've seen an entry for it at /var/cache/debconf/config.dat called: apt-setup/contrib (set to false) how am I supposed to change that value from dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 02:09.57 | abrotman | zxc: that's what i was looking for |
| 02:10.00 | beardy | whatever it is, I bet it's macosx that looks like it.. |
| 02:10.25 | micahf | beardy and abrotman, no, it's gdesklets I found it |
| 02:10.30 | micahf | and it's the dock |
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| 02:10.55 | abrotman | micahf: there are items that replicate the dock .. that's not all gdesklets does |
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| 02:11.23 | micahf | I know |
| 02:11.33 | micahf | I was thinking of gdesklets though cause it looks really simple |
| 02:11.38 | micahf | like my grandma couuld use it |
| 02:11.44 | micahf | and I'm installing for my grandma |
| 02:11.49 | micahf | so I want gdesklets |
| 02:11.50 | micahf | haha |
| 02:12.06 | micahf | but this system only has 128 mb right now and it's ridiculously slow |
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| 02:12.19 | micahf | the extra ram is being shipped to their house in indiana |
| 02:12.19 | abrotman | micahf: what about icewm .. or xfce ? |
| 02:12.27 | micahf | yea xfce is fast |
| 02:12.32 | micahf | but I hate the file manager |
| 02:12.38 | micahf | I don't think they would be able to figure it out |
| 02:12.38 | abrotman | use another |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | xfe or gentoo |
| 02:12.51 | micahf | xfe? |
| 02:12.56 | micahf | ok I will look into it |
| 02:12.57 | micahf | thanks |
| 02:12.58 | abrotman | !info xfe sarge |
| 02:13.01 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 02:13.06 | micahf | thanks |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | ~info xfe sarge |
| 02:13.27 | micahf | I mean |
| 02:13.27 | blondie | what determines whether apt-get install will ask you "Do you want to continue? [Y/n]"? |
| 02:13.30 | beardy | abrotman: He sat there quiet a long time earlier, then quit.. |
| 02:13.33 | micahf | I would probably just use nautilus |
| 02:13.38 | abrotman | beardy: who ? |
| 02:13.38 | micahf | because that is the easiest |
| 02:13.38 | TGoC | I find it very annoying |
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| 02:13.45 | TGoC | that MSN is friggin blocking .EXE files |
| 02:13.45 | beardy | ~info xfe sarge |
| 02:13.52 | beardy | abrotman: dpkg |
| 02:13.52 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:13.58 | TGoC | i friggin need to rar things to get them sent... |
| 02:13.59 | zxc | blondie apt-get install -y <-- ? |
| 02:14.09 | micahf | I mean, my grandparents don't know how to use windows |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | TGoC: unrar is in non-free |
| 02:14.27 | blondie | zxc: er no - sometimes it asks for confirmation of installation, other times not |
| 02:14.28 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:14.31 | TGoC | abrotman true |
| 02:14.31 | micahf | I don't think they would be able to figure out a file manager |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | apt: you're broken |
| 02:14.34 | apt | THERE ARE *FOUR* LIGHTS! |
| 02:14.39 | blondie | just doing "apt-get install <package>" |
| 02:14.40 | nix4me | is it possible to start using LVM without re-installing and repartitioning? |
| 02:14.41 | TGoC | but that can fixed with an crack so easily abrotman |
| 02:14.44 | micahf | I just need a desktop file manager like nautilus are there alternatives? |
| 02:14.54 | abrotman | TGoC: erm .. ok .. i don't do cracks .. so whatever |
| 02:15.10 | micahf | man this computer is slow as balls |
| 02:15.19 | abrotman | micahf: you can use nautilus with xfe |
| 02:15.22 | abrotman | err with xfce |
| 02:15.25 | TGoC | abrotman i don't either |
| 02:15.25 | bronaugh | balls are slow? |
| 02:15.27 | micahf | yea |
| 02:15.30 | TGoC | my computer does |
| 02:15.32 | beardy | micahf: You can use a lighter windowmanager and still use that. |
| 02:15.36 | micahf | beardy |
| 02:15.37 | micahf | I know |
| 02:15.49 | abrotman | micahf: xfe .. http://freshmeat.net/projects/xfe/ |
| 02:15.50 | micahf | but I'm just wondering if there are others like nautilus |
| 02:15.52 | zxc | blondie i thought it allways asks, except when you -y or Item: APT::Get::Assume-Yes. |
| 02:15.56 | micahf | thanks |
| 02:16.03 | blondie | zxc: it doesn't |
| 02:16.06 | micahf | I mean, is there anything simpler than nautilus? |
| 02:16.09 | blondie | fgs |
| 02:16.12 | zxc | blondie my bad then :( |
| 02:16.16 | abrotman | micahf: define simpler :) |
| 02:16.25 | micahf | haha |
| 02:16.28 | micahf | yea I guess not |
| 02:16.35 | blondie | is there a way to get apache 1.3 to "do" perl scripts without having a seperate "apache-perl" installed? |
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| 02:16.50 | amahbod | hello all |
| 02:17.00 | micahf | say do you all know of any photo managers like iphoto? |
| 02:17.05 | HermanDE | Any ldap guys in here? |
| 02:17.47 | beardy | ~ask |
| 02:17.49 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a quesiton first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | there is a #ldap |
| 02:17.50 | zxc | HermanDE I have experience on netscape ds and sun one's (same thing as fedora directory server) |
| 02:17.56 | abrotman | micahf: f-spot |
| 02:17.58 | HermanDE | abrotman. Thanks.... |
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| 02:18.07 | micahf | awesome abrotman, thanks a lot |
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| 02:18.16 | amahbod | i am trying to setup my xf86config-4 file for a dual monitor setup and am having some issues... |
| 02:18.26 | micahf | wow that looks amazing |
| 02:18.29 | abrotman | micahf: though .. i don't think it's in debian/stable |
| 02:18.34 | amahbod | both monitors are LCD screens, but one is plugged through VGA |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | micahf: which does ? |
| 02:18.43 | bronaugh | amahbod: ok what vid card? |
| 02:18.47 | micahf | abrotman, I'm in ubuntu ; ) |
| 02:18.48 | micahf | shhh |
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| 02:18.52 | amahbod | bronaugh, geforce 4, 4400 |
| 02:18.53 | micahf | it's basically debian |
| 02:18.59 | bronaugh | amahbod: ah. heh. nVidia. |
| 02:19.06 | micahf | I chose it because my mom said the name would be less threatening to my grandparents |
| 02:19.06 | amahbod | bronaugh, i am using the open source drivers. |
| 02:19.12 | micahf | debian sounds like demon |
| 02:19.12 | bronaugh | amahbod: then forget it. |
| 02:19.17 | amahbod | ?? |
| 02:19.21 | bronaugh | amahbod: afaik you can't do dualhead with the 'nv' driver. |
| 02:19.24 | amahbod | bronaugh, well i have both installed |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | micahf: it's two names together |
| 02:19.36 | amahbod | bronaugh, i'll turn the other one on then |
| 02:19.39 | bronaugh | you need nVidia's binary driver. and if you're using that, then you should read their documentation on getting it running. |
| 02:19.49 | bronaugh | I can't really help you. |
| 02:19.50 | beardy | micahf: Wait until they see the daemons then HAHA, that's the worst reason Iäve heard for choosing an os.. |
| 02:19.54 | amahbod | is this correct? |
| 02:20.21 | amahbod | Option "MetaModes" "DFP-0: 1280x1024, CRT-1: 1280x1024;" |
| 02:20.28 | amahbod | even though both are LCD screens |
| 02:20.36 | amahbod | but one is plugged in via VGA |
| 02:20.44 | bronaugh | amahbod: it may be, but I don't know anything about nVidia's binary driver. |
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| 02:21.41 | micahf | haha |
| 02:21.53 | micahf | beardy, well it's grandma and grandpa |
| 02:22.13 | abrotman | wait til they see GRAMPS |
| 02:22.13 | micahf | beardy, and you must admit that debian and ubuntu come from sarge |
| 02:22.14 | micahf | haha |
| 02:22.31 | beardy | micahf: No, don't get me started.. |
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| 02:22.41 | micahf | beardy, ok I won't |
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| 02:22.49 | Empire|Pure | hi all |
| 02:22.51 | micahf | but if it makes you feel better |
| 02:22.56 | micahf | I like debian more than ubuntu |
| 02:23.00 | micahf | :D |
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| 02:23.28 | Empire|Pure | i have a problem with postfix .. it's not a problem but i don't know where it stock my mail they are nothing in /var/mail or /var/spool/mail ... |
| 02:23.56 | abrotman | Empire|Pure: did you set it up for Maildir ? |
| 02:24.08 | Empire|Pure | yes i have specify vmailbox .. |
| 02:24.12 | Empire|Pure | they are nothing |
| 02:24.30 | blondie | have you got a .mail or a mbox file in ~? |
| 02:24.33 | Empire|Pure | but i receive mail after with no prblem |
| 02:24.39 | beardy | micahf: Run it then. Debian doesn't look or sound like "demon" at all. |
| 02:24.57 | bronaugh | debian does dallas. uh huh. |
| 02:24.58 | blondie | debian ubuntu come from sarge? |
| 02:25.02 | micahf | yea it would be faster to configure |
| 02:25.03 | blondie | +and |
| 02:25.15 | micahf | since ubuntu added all of this interface crap that 128 mb simply cannot handle |
| 02:25.24 | Empire|Pure | blondie no i haven't .mail or box in home |
| 02:25.52 | blondie | remember .mail is hidden |
| 02:26.00 | Empire|Pure | yes i know |
| 02:26.20 | Empire|Pure | but i use ssh connection i see all files |
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| 02:27.04 | abrotman | now he has a tail! |
| 02:27.46 | Empire|Pure | but i speak about mail whose i receive with fetchmail ( i speak about my provider pop server ) |
| 02:28.24 | blondie | well, send yourself some mail |
| 02:28.34 | blondie | give it a few minutes |
| 02:28.35 | Empire|Pure | i haven't any problem for received mail but i don't understand why it don't use MailDir |
| 02:28.44 | blondie | then do find ~ -mtime -5 |
| 02:29.09 | blondie | did you tell it to use Maildir? |
| 02:29.28 | abrotman | or create the maildir ? |
| 02:29.32 | Empire|Pure | no i have create ans specify it in main.cf |
| 02:29.42 | Empire|Pure | and* |
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| 02:29.49 | abrotman | yes .. there's a otpion for main.cf |
| 02:30.10 | abrotman | home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
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| 02:31.07 | Azar | hello honorables.. I am working on someone's box and I would like to figure out how much ram the video card is.. without opening the box |
| 02:31.19 | abrotman | Azar: check the X logs |
| 02:31.29 | Azar | thank you, abrotman |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | or maybe xdpyinfo ? |
| 02:31.38 | blondie | hmm this will find files modified less than 5 mins ago, right? find / -mtime -5 |
| 02:31.44 | Empire|Pure | abrotman yes and i have create a vmailbox files |
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| 02:31.47 | fred_ | hi. did a apt-get upgrade on kernel 2.6.8 and now gettin a dependency problem between udev who cannot be installed as it needs kernel 2.6.12 or hipgr |
| 02:31.58 | blondie | uhoh |
| 02:32.05 | hammerabi | fred_: welcome to testing/unstable |
| 02:32.06 | fred_ | higher |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | Empire|Pure: uhm .. ok |
| 02:32.29 | fred_ | i wanted to thank u all since my wieless cad is wokin tho |
| 02:32.42 | hammerabi | fred_: you can either put udev on hold, or upgrade your kernel |
| 02:32.49 | hammerabi | putting it on hold will eventually stop you updating other things |
| 02:32.50 | abrotman | fred_: download the linux-image file you need |
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| 02:33.14 | Empire|Pure | abrotman it's possible it's problem with porcmail + fetchmail |
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| 02:33.20 | fred_ | well i tried upgradin kenel but it fails |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | Empero: possibly |
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| 02:33.55 | Empire|Pure | becaus e i execute fetchmail .. it go to take my mail in my provider .. there are no problem |
| 02:34.03 | Empire|Pure | and after i execute this : |
| 02:34.04 | fred_ | and x wont start anymore eithe |
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| 02:34.26 | Empire|Pure | mda "/usr/bin/procmail -Y -d %T" |
| 02:34.55 | HermanDE | Ok... The ldap room is very silent. Any body willing to assist with a small problem upgrading ldap from woody to sarge? |
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| 02:35.24 | abrotman | HermanDE: ask .. perhaps someone will be around to answer it |
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| 02:35.50 | fred_ | upgrading kenel tells me i need yaird but won't install it. installing yaird tells me i need udev.... |
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| 02:36.06 | jahshua-- | hello |
| 02:36.19 | HermanDE | Sure.... (65) no structural object class provided With the automated slapd upgrade from apt |
| 02:36.21 | jahshua-- | anyone want to help a noob out with a few questions ? |
| 02:36.42 | HermanDE | jahshua... Sure... |
| 02:36.49 | cheal | jahshua--: no, you must have GNU certification level 7 before asking |
| 02:36.56 | fred_ | so what are my options now? reinstall? |
| 02:37.15 | HermanDE | cheal.. I'm a level 56 and a half atari master. |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | HermanDE: it only had one button |
| 02:37.48 | cheal | hehe |
| 02:37.53 | HermanDE | cheal.. As well as a commodore 64 president level... |
| 02:37.59 | jahshua-- | i want to install Debian .. im using x86 pc .. i dont know which iso to dl from here http://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/debian-cd/ |
| 02:38.09 | abrotman | !d-i jahshua-- |
| 02:38.28 | abrotman | jahshua--: do you have broadband ? |
| 02:38.30 | HermanDE | jahshua.. Is this your first toe in the linux world? |
| 02:38.32 | jahshua-- | yes |
| 02:38.37 | jahshua-- | i have broadband |
| 02:38.48 | beardy | ~di |
| 02:38.49 | apt | di is probably http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html |
| 02:38.55 | jahshua-- | HermanDE im on kubuntu but i dont really like it |
| 02:38.58 | abrotman | jahshua--: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 02:39.03 | abrotman | !ops Christians4GNT2 /msg spamming |
| 02:39.05 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | ~ops Christians4GNT2 /msg spamming |
| 02:39.14 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Christians4GNT2 /msg spamming |
| 02:39.15 | rage | Hey, my network adapters keep changing their name (eth*) on my laptop, none of them are pcmcia. Is there a way I can stop them from moving their names around? |
| 02:39.32 | stew | rage: look at the ifrename package |
| 02:39.33 | blondie | abrotman: what are they going to do about that, hmm? |
| 02:39.38 | blondie | unless they're opers |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | well ffs . i just got /msg spam about satanists for gentoo |
| 02:39.58 | jahshua-- | that file is 111 mb ? |
| 02:40.07 | jahshua-- | is that right? |
| 02:40.12 | micahf | what is the lightest window manager you guys know of |
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| 02:40.16 | abrotman | jahshua--: it's a netinst .. it will download the rest |
| 02:40.21 | abrotman | micahf: ion3 |
| 02:40.25 | micahf | ion3? |
| 02:40.28 | HermanDE | rage.. I think there is a feature under the networking... Check out "man interfaces" |
| 02:40.28 | micahf | does it look OK? |
| 02:40.33 | kspath | openbox3? |
| 02:40.39 | rage | okay, :-) |
| 02:40.40 | abrotman | kspath: it's not even close |
| 02:40.40 | blondie | abrotman: but what can channel ops do about PMs? |
| 02:40.41 | jahshua-- | dl the rest when i boot the cd ? |
| 02:40.42 | abrotman | micahf: hell no |
| 02:40.44 | HermanDE | rage.. If I remember correctly you can assign by MAC address... |
| 02:40.49 | micahf | I want it to look traditional like xfce can look |
| 02:40.51 | abrotman | blondie: kick the fucker |
| 02:40.57 | rage | HermanDE: ahh, excellent :-) |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | blondie: he's in the channel |
| 02:41.01 | jahshua-- | abrotman: dl the rest when i boot the cd ? |
| 02:41.06 | micahf | I am in love with that classic mac os theme for XFCE |
| 02:41.06 | Christians4GNT2 | I am not a spam bot. |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | jahshua--: yeah ... |
| 02:41.08 | blondie | sure, but won't stop him msging you |
| 02:41.11 | blondie | Christians4GNT2: no? |
| 02:41.14 | Christians4GNT2 | No |
| 02:41.14 | abrotman | Christians4GNT2: YOU FUCKING SPAMMED ME ASSHOLE |
| 02:41.19 | blondie | lol |
| 02:41.20 | jahshua-- | abrotman: ok cool thanks |
| 02:41.21 | Christians4GNT2 | abrotman I did not. |
| 02:41.27 | jahshua-- | yes Christian spammed me too |
| 02:41.29 | abrotman | <Christians4GNT2> Hello brothers in Christ and in Gentoo, I would like to announce the opening of our newest group of Gentoo users: Christians 4 Gentoo! We believe that God has given us these wonderful tools called computers and we should use them to their fullest power. Gentoo allows us to do that. Visit our website at http://christians.gentoo-server.be/ |
| 02:41.29 | abrotman | <Christians4GNT2> I AM NOT A SPAM BOT |
| 02:41.33 | abrotman | fucking loser |
| 02:41.34 | micahf | yea ion3 would not be good for the grandparents |
| 02:41.48 | abrotman | Christians4GNT2: i hope satan eats your babies |
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| 02:42.03 | Christians4GNT2 | Please do not say that. |
| 02:42.03 | jahshua-- | abrotman: is that the woody version ? |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | jahshua--: nope .. for sarge |
| 02:42.12 | Azar | abrotman, I was not able to find anything about video ram size in the logs |
| 02:42.17 | blondie | oh dear, religion fruitcake |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | Azar: grep RAM |
| 02:42.20 | blondie | *religious |
| 02:42.23 | HermanDE | ROTFL.... Christans for Gentoo? In a debian room. We are the pagans who dance around DPKG.... |
| 02:42.41 | abrotman | Azar: which X version |
| 02:42.41 | Azar | thanks |
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| 02:42.48 | Azar | xfree86 |
| 02:42.56 | kspath | why do people request something then pop up with a ton of conditions and reasons why none of the answers are right did they already have their own answer? |
| 02:43.00 | jahshua-- | oh yes sarge is the latest right? |
| 02:43.08 | abrotman | Azar: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep -i RAM |
| 02:43.09 | Azar | haha look what people gentoo attracts |
| 02:43.15 | Azar | thanks |
| 02:43.21 | abrotman | jahshua--: latest stable release .. yes |
| 02:43.21 | zxc | I can't figure out how to change some debconf values of base-config, dpkg-reconfigure base-config does nothing (it just exits 1) |
| 02:43.25 | jahshua-- | cool thanks :) |
| 02:43.35 | stew | zxc: just run "base-config" from the command line |
| 02:43.36 | abrotman | zxc: just run base-config |
| 02:43.47 | HermanDE | Nobody with any cool ldap ideas? Even creative ones.. :) |
| 02:44.06 | beardy | HermanDE: Purge it? |
| 02:44.14 | Azar | :) |
| 02:44.35 | HermanDE | zxc.. You may have configured debconf to only show you the high priority questions..... Try and do a dpkg-reconfigure debconf. |
| 02:44.37 | zxc | stew there are very few options than the ones I see on a debconf-show base-config |
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| 02:44.47 | abrotman | HermanDE: you can't reconfigure base-config |
| 02:44.58 | abrotman | HermanDE: not via dpkg-reconfigure i mean |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | ~ig |
| 02:45.07 | apt | well, install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
| 02:45.15 | zxc | abrotman is there any way out ? manually edit debconf database? |
| 02:45.16 | abrotman | jahshua--: ^^ ... might be useful too |
| 02:45.34 | jahshua-- | great |
| 02:45.38 | Snoopy | question... i have nautilus but how do i burn cds now |
| 02:45.40 | jahshua-- | thanks a million |
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| 02:46.00 | jahshua-- | abrotman: will Sarge set up DHCP on install |
| 02:46.08 | jahshua-- | im on ethernet adsl |
| 02:46.11 | HermanDE | abrotman.. Ah Yes, changes upon changes... Debian changes too fast... :) |
| 02:46.13 | stew | zxc: dunno then |
| 02:46.24 | abrotman | jahshua--: it should .. dunno about pppoe |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | HermanDE: don't tell the rest of the world |
| 02:46.48 | zxc | stew: ok, I'll keep by trial/error :P |
| 02:47.13 | HermanDE | zxc.. It is possible to manually edit the debconf database. But it can get ugly very fast.... |
| 02:47.13 | cycom | xorg |
| 02:47.15 | cycom | arg |
| 02:47.18 | cycom | wrong window |
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| 02:47.53 | cycom | where'd dpkg go? |
| 02:47.57 | abrotman | napping |
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| 02:48.03 | abrotman | sussudio_: badgers!!!!!! |
| 02:48.14 | ddfire | hi, someone know what happend whit the metadistros site??? |
| 02:48.16 | zxc | HermanDE so, once you install debian (and base-config gets configured) there's no way to change some of the initial set values :( |
| 02:48.20 | blondie | sigh |
| 02:49.22 | micahf | evolution or thunderbird for a 75 year old woman? |
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| 02:49.52 | HermanDE | zxc.. debconf is a db file. You should be able to reconfigure the base-config.... |
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| 02:50.29 | zxc | HermanDE but you can't do that |
| 02:50.29 | nertoa | how can i setup a chroot environment for special users that log in to my box? |
| 02:50.32 | solomonn | micahf: i say thunderbird |
| 02:50.40 | HermanDE | zxc.. What are you trying to change? base-config contains a very few items.... |
| 02:50.52 | hammerabi | nertoa: what's the goal? |
| 02:51.06 | HermanDE | nertoa. Which services are you trying to chroot? |
| 02:51.09 | zxc | HermanDE just wondering how to change apt-setup default values (like NOT including contrib) |
| 02:51.20 | micahf | solomonn, yea thunderbird sounds cooler too |
| 02:51.23 | nertoa | HermanDE: console login |
| 02:51.28 | micahf | especially because the browser of choice is firefox |
| 02:51.28 | HermanDE | zxc. Just change /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:51.29 | zxc | HermanDE I know I can just use vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:51.35 | nertoa | hammerabi: just learning |
| 02:51.41 | zxc | HermanDE hehe, read your mind :P |
| 02:51.57 | HermanDE | zxc. It's just too easy.... Or are you interested in pinning? |
| 02:52.07 | liable | base-config sets that preference on apt-setup? |
| 02:52.22 | HermanDE | zxc.. The base config just sets up the sources.list. Nothing more.... |
| 02:52.24 | zxc | HermanDE Just trying to get this changed... for fun and learning |
| 02:53.01 | zxc | HermanDE try: debconf-show base-config | grep apt-setup |
| 02:53.08 | HermanDE | zxc.. There is only one repository for the apt source info. It is not contained in the debconf system.. (At least I hope) |
| 02:53.50 | zxc | HermanDE there you'll see enrties like: apt-setup/contrib: false <-- I want to flip it to "true" |
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| 02:54.29 | hammerabi | zxc: why bother? |
| 02:54.36 | HermanDE | zxc.. Ya got me there. I'd think for something like that you may want to interact with the database directly.... |
| 02:54.41 | hammerabi | zxc: if this is for a new install, use pre-seeding |
| 02:54.49 | HermanDE | zxc.. Not too sure what good it will do... |
| 02:54.50 | JohnLenin | hi, anyone here know how to get nptl support in debian |
| 02:55.02 | hammerabi | JohnLenin: are you using sarge with a 2.6 kernel on i386? |
| 02:55.07 | JohnLenin | yeah |
| 02:55.12 | zxc | hammerabi it's not new, quite old and productive :P |
| 02:55.14 | hammerabi | JohnLenin: then you have it |
| 02:55.29 | HermanDE | zxc.. In my book that is a bit scarry. Imagine doing a point upgrade and loosing all of your sources.list.... |
| 02:55.36 | JohnLenin | it's just when i check libc.so.6 it doesn't say anything about nptl |
| 02:55.58 | hammerabi | JohnLenin: which is fine |
| 02:56.03 | JohnLenin | ok |
| 02:56.05 | JohnLenin | cheers |
| 02:56.09 | zxc | hmm I'll go read more on debconf |
| 02:56.19 | hammerabi | JohnLenin: /usr/lib/tls/ has the libc6 you'd want to look at |
| 02:56.31 | abrotman | tls is nptl ? |
| 02:56.39 | HermanDE | zxc.. I'll bet it was a fleeting idea. Drop sources.list into a database. Thank the mighty penguin that idea never actually flew.... |
| 02:57.29 | hammerabi | no, TLS is thread-local storage |
| 02:57.45 | hammerabi | nptl uses it |
| 02:57.45 | zxc | HermanDE hmm I just wanted to change the default behaviour of apt-setup (which is not prompting me for adding contrib sources.. cos its debconf value is set to false) |
| 02:57.55 | JohnLenin | "Hello brothers in Christ and in Gentoo" it says |
| 02:58.04 | JohnLenin | which is funny, because I'm on debian. |
| 02:58.07 | HermanDE | zxc.. Try this one.. file /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 02:58.14 | JohnLenin | wait |
| 02:58.16 | abrotman | JohnLenin: from Christians4GNT2 ? |
| 02:58.16 | JohnLenin | crap |
| 02:58.19 | JohnLenin | wrong window :P |
| 02:58.22 | JohnLenin | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:58.28 | JohnLenin | you got that spam too? |
| 02:58.29 | HermanDE | zxc.. Use the standard db tools to access and change... |
| 02:58.31 | blondie | "The only way to fully Glorify God with your computer is through GENTOO!" |
| 02:58.32 | abrotman | @ops Christians4GNT2 is still spamming people |
| 02:58.36 | abrotman | ~ops Christians4GNT2 is still spamming people |
| 02:58.37 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Christians4GNT2 is still spamming people |
| 02:58.38 | zxc | HermanDE I vi that, :wq! run apt-setup, and the change gets undo |
| 02:58.38 | Christians4GNT2 | I AM NOT SPAMMING |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | Christians4GNT2: YES YOU ARE |
| 02:58.55 | TGoC | I wish you all a good and fun year exchange |
| 02:58.56 | TGoC | bye |
| 02:59.06 | liable | of course, your just passing the good word of god, how could that be spamming? |
| 02:59.11 | Christians4GNT2 | I am spreading the word of god! |
| 02:59.11 | abrotman | Christians4GNT2: i hope satan eats your children and your mother |
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| 02:59.23 | Christians4GNT2 | abrotman, I told you to please not say that. |
| 02:59.24 | JohnLenin | liable: that's the same rationale most evangelists use |
| 02:59.26 | Keegan_Witt | good god |
| 02:59.29 | TGoC | abrotman /cs kick #debian Christians4GNT2 |
| 02:59.30 | TGoC | :P |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | Christians4GNT2: then stop spamming people |
| 02:59.34 | hammerabi | Christians4GNT2: no one cares about your religious beliefs, please keep them to yourself |
| 02:59.35 | liable | JohnLenin: /sarcasm.. |
| 02:59.41 | HermanDE | I guess God only talks to Gentoo users... Not us pegan debian users.... |
| 02:59.47 | vulture | Christians4GNT2: Spam isn't about content, but delivery. What it is you are spreading doesn't change whether something is or is not spam. |
| 02:59.59 | vulture | (ok, it's somewhat about content, kind of) |
| 03:00.04 | HermanDE | We must have missionaries from Gentoo to teach the rest of linuxdom about the failure of their ways.... |
| 03:00.16 | De_Mon | thats just wrong |
| 03:00.20 | TGoC | I WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY YEAR EXCHANGE |
| 03:00.38 | TGoC | AND A BRANDNEW happy 2006, may joy and health and all that stuff come to you all |
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| 03:00.41 | HermanDE | TGoC.. Good luck on the Leap Second.... |
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| 03:00.50 | TGoC | no matter debian or gentoo |
| 03:00.51 | TGoC | >_< |
| 03:00.53 | TGoC | now night |
| 03:00.53 | HermanDE | TGoC.. Ensure you set that second.... |
| 03:01.08 | blondie | Christians4GNT2: why don't you tell people in #gentoo? :) |
| 03:01.13 | kspath | why dont trolls and spammers just take their medication and mumble to themselves in a corner as god intended |
| 03:01.26 | Keegan_Witt | or go smoke weed somewheres |
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| 03:01.27 | liable | haha |
| 03:01.35 | De_Mon | if you ignore them they cease to exist |
| 03:01.49 | bronaugh | I would prefer to give them strong muscle relaxants. |
| 03:01.50 | JohnLenin | Christians4GNT2: go into #otw |
| 03:01.53 | JohnLenin | they'd love you there |
| 03:01.53 | HermanDE | blondie.. They are the chosen distribution to be deleted to the scrap heap in the sky.... |
| 03:01.55 | bronaugh | after all, if they can't talk or type they're pretty harmless. |
| 03:02.25 | JohnLenin | bronaugh: this is why it would be a great idea for C4GN2 to go into #otw :P |
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| 03:03.05 | bronaugh | JohnLenin: he's hilarious. |
| 03:03.12 | blondie | ah, he got banned from #gentoo twice already |
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| 03:03.18 | blondie | at least their ops work ;) |
| 03:03.27 | JohnLenin | i've been reliably informed that his crappy link is now the topic in otw |
| 03:04.17 | bronaugh | what was he spamming? |
| 03:04.21 | bronaugh | I'm really curious. |
| 03:04.22 | HermanDE | Again.. Still seeking a touch of help with an Openldap upgrade (Woodster to Sarge) |
| 03:04.25 | Lindi | oi |
| 03:04.30 | JohnLenin | "Christians For Gentoo", a forum of his |
| 03:04.36 | hammerabi | HermanDE: it's way simpler to just ask |
| 03:04.44 | JohnLenin | basically, everyone in here is a sinner |
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| 03:04.49 | blondie | Lindi: rude |
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| 03:05.02 | bronaugh | JohnLenin: Jesus wouldn't like them. How are you supposed to reconcile god and USE flags? |
| 03:05.18 | bronaugh | compiling your own god.. geez. |
| 03:05.18 | cheal | how can you see the packages that build-dep on a package? |
| 03:05.19 | HermanDE | hammerabi.. (65) no structural object class provided |
| 03:05.24 | kspath | well according to some you are born a sinner |
| 03:05.41 | kspath | installing gentoo will not cleanse him :-) |
| 03:05.43 | JohnLenin | bronaugh: i'm sure all that time compiling could be spent in the service of the Lord |
| 03:05.54 | HermanDE | JohnLenin.. We have not been saved from the might compile called Gentoo... |
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| 03:05.58 | hammerabi | all this gentoo/christian crap is far more annoying than Christians4GNT2 was to begin with |
| 03:06.00 | bronaugh | http://poetry.rotten.com/stained-glass/ |
| 03:06.02 | hammerabi | HermanDE: google had no idea? |
| 03:06.07 | bronaugh | that's what I have to say about "Servie to God" |
| 03:06.11 | bronaugh | err, Service |
| 03:06.16 | JohnLenin | maybe instead of gold, frankincense and myrrh, the three wisemen brought jesus different gifts |
| 03:06.18 | Lindi | sorry!! |
| 03:06.24 | JohnLenin | "A fucking fast Athlon, for the lord!" |
| 03:06.32 | JohnLenin | "A printout of lots of l33t CFLAGS!" |
| 03:06.42 | bronaugh | JohnLenin: "funroll-loops for all!" |
| 03:06.47 | JohnLenin | hahah |
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| 03:07.11 | HermanDE | hammerabi.. I checked the usuall suspects. Tried a log dump. Google. It is trapped in a dpkg upgrade. And driving me to talk about christans and gentoo |
| 03:07.25 | JohnLenin | "An LCD monitor specifically designed for large amounts of scrolling text" |
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| 03:07.35 | bronaugh | JohnLenin: haha |
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| 03:08.21 | HermanDE | I'm waiting to get a large plasma and do a huge 300*100 row console.. :) |
| 03:08.38 | JohnLenin | you can do that now |
| 03:08.40 | JohnLenin | xterm :P |
| 03:09.07 | bronaugh | nah, dmx with a bunch of 17" monitors. |
| 03:09.14 | HermanDE | JohnLenin.. xterm is for thoes X fliers.... I'm talking full tty console.... |
| 03:10.01 | bronaugh | HermanDE: SVGATextMode would get you 160x60 text mode, accelerated by the VGA hardware. |
| 03:10.11 | bronaugh | unlike silly fb, which is "accelerated" by the kernel. heh. |
| 03:10.23 | blondie | just use a line printer ;) |
| 03:10.32 | JohnLenin | blondie: hell yeah |
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| 03:11.08 | HermanDE | bronaugh.. Yep, been there.. I usually run BB or the text fire on my server consoles..... |
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| 03:11.37 | Azar | fun New Year's eve here.. |
| 03:11.39 | HermanDE | bronaugh. Actually had one client call me on a saturday to tell me that the monitor was burning..... He was very breathless.... |
| 03:11.48 | bronaugh | HermanDE: awesome! |
| 03:11.57 | HermanDE | bronaugh.. I couldnt keep a straight face for the next few weeks..... |
| 03:12.12 | bronaugh | yeah, that'd be pretty awesome. |
| 03:12.12 | Empire|Pure | i don't have /root/.procmailrc ... /root/.promail it's the same files ???? |
| 03:12.14 | Azar | HermanDE, my grannie poured a bottle of water on mine when it started smoking-out |
| 03:12.23 | bronaugh | less annoying than my friend who had his dad reboot his server when he saw the BSOD screensaver. |
| 03:12.38 | blondie | hmm I did that once. |
| 03:12.56 | HermanDE | bronaugh.. Doh.... Was he running a game? |
| 03:12.59 | blondie | and then spent ages trying to work out why it had "crashed" :( |
| 03:12.59 | kspath | lol |
| 03:13.05 | kspath | I LOVE BSOD |
| 03:13.11 | bronaugh | HermanDE: nah, just IM client and such. |
| 03:13.25 | BearPerson | for the record, if any of you (from now on) get a privmsg from this Christians4GNT2 guy, drop me a line, will you? |
| 03:13.43 | abrotman | can't we just kill him? :) |
| 03:13.54 | bronaugh | yeah, let's kill him and feast on his bleeding internal organs. |
| 03:14.03 | bronaugh | oh, whoops. pagan fantasy. |
| 03:14.39 | HermanDE | BearPerson.. That would be too easy... Much more interesting would be to invite him to offer his speal then spam it back to his forum system... |
| 03:15.02 | blondie | my "SOUL IS AT RISK" :9 |
| 03:15.04 | blondie | :( |
| 03:15.18 | bronaugh | heh |
| 03:15.27 | bronaugh | keep your shoes in a safe place then. |
| 03:15.36 | blondie | :) |
| 03:15.37 | Azar | blondie tell him that he will be burned in hell for that spam |
| 03:15.43 | HermanDE | I gotta get this *(&@#$(*&'ing solved... |
| 03:15.48 | HermanDE | See ya later.... |
| 03:15.56 | dario | can anyone help me configure my audio card with alsa ? i have a kernel 2.6.14.5 |
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| 03:16.02 | bronaugh | HermanDE: good luck :) |
| 03:16.02 | Empire|Pure | i don't find .procmailrc where is it please ??? |
| 03:16.03 | blondie | nah, got bored of responding :\ |
| 03:16.17 | zumbi | dario: alsaconf? |
| 03:16.21 | bronaugh | dario: install hotplug and let it work? |
| 03:16.27 | bronaugh | or udev, I guess, now. |
| 03:16.38 | abrotman | bronaugh: except when udev conflicts with hotplug :) |
| 03:16.52 | dario | alsaconf is not seeing my card, i try with hotplug |
| 03:17.02 | blondie | hmm when did it get to 3am |
| 03:17.31 | dario | hotplug is already configured |
| 03:17.32 | abrotman | blondie: when you moved to england ? |
| 03:17.33 | BearPerson | 17 minutes ago |
| 03:17.44 | onweald_tim | newbie question: I want to change a password through shell script. passwd mylogin <<"EOF" followed by two lines containing the password fails. |
| 03:18.00 | onweald_tim | It shows "Enter new UNIX password: Retype new UNIX password: Sorry, passwords do not match." |
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| 03:18.11 | blondie | abrotman: I never moved here |
| 03:18.19 | bronaugh | dario: is the sound card PCI? |
| 03:18.22 | abrotman | blondie: you were deposited there ? |
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| 03:18.57 | Azar | burn the preacher to the stick |
| 03:19.00 | blondie | onweald_tim: that's not wise (nor will it work) |
| 03:19.08 | bbrazil | onweald_tim: use 'expect' |
| 03:19.13 | dario | yes lspci 0000:01:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 10) |
| 03:19.24 | Azar | ESS solo |
| 03:19.26 | blondie | abrotman: no, I was surgically removed from my mother's womb here |
| 03:19.36 | abrotman | same thing! :) |
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| 03:20.00 | onweald_tim | bbrazil: expect? "man expect" doesn't show me anything... ??? |
| 03:20.11 | Azar | dario, when you did modconf did you picked the module for your ESS sound card? |
| 03:20.28 | blondie | i think there's an argument to passwd to provide the password in an encrypted form, on the same line |
| 03:20.28 | onweald_tim | blondie: Yeah, but I am debootstrap'ing a system and want to set the default password. |
| 03:20.35 | Azar | dario, I mean did your kernel got instructed to load that module? |
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| 03:20.58 | dario | Azar: i have monolitic kernel, but i have configured for that card |
| 03:21.35 | dario | Azar: i used the same .config i used on the previouse slackware build |
| 03:21.49 | dario | where it worked |
| 03:21.55 | Azar | dario I asked because I recently had same issue: alsa correctly installed, configured, everything was perfect, minus one thing: I forgot to load the module with modconf after kernel upgrade |
| 03:22.07 | abrotman | Azar: you silly goose |
| 03:22.15 | Azar | dario, I have never ever seen a slackware in my life |
| 03:22.18 | bbrazil | onweald_tim: install it |
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| 03:22.41 | Azar | :) |
| 03:22.47 | Gom | is it possible to download an install cd to a partition then boot from that? |
| 03:22.54 | onweald_tim | bbrazil: Thanks... I'll check it out. |
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| 03:23.18 | chad | hello |
| 03:23.35 | blondie | hi |
| 03:23.45 | liable | Gom: you can install an initrd and kernel and boot from it with grub or another boot loader |
| 03:23.46 | chad | hey blondie |
| 03:24.05 | chad | does anyone know anything about setting up joysticks? |
| 03:24.55 | Gom | liable: so... its not as simple as download and unpack it then just select a partition? |
| 03:25.26 | liable | Gom: what are you trying to do? install without cd drive? |
| 03:25.39 | Gom | pretty much... |
| 03:25.44 | Gom | well, no cd |
| 03:25.57 | liable | Gom: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 03:26.14 | abrotman | no floppy either ? |
| 03:26.22 | liable | Gom: works using grub to of course.. |
| 03:26.34 | chad | I got a usb joystick. I'd like to use it with FlightGear but after a few days I've had no luck getting it to work. |
| 03:27.06 | Gom | thanks liable, that will probably work |
| 03:27.20 | liable | Gom: it does :) |
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| 03:28.18 | abrotman | but the tard is still fucking here |
| 03:28.25 | Azar | liable, I am done with the new box Debian installation this PC is a jewel for Debian |
| 03:29.07 | liable | Azar: nice :) |
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| 03:29.57 | Azar | I am writing this modest tutorial for the linux Debian newbies, but I am still stuck with the sound, I did the sound configurations more gussing |
| 03:30.07 | Azar | guessing* |
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| 03:32.03 | chad | So I guess that means there are no joystick enthusiasts here. It's just a challenge now to get the thing to work. |
| 03:32.45 | Azar | install alsa, remove OSS modules, configure alsa, pick snd_ modules from modconf, adjust sound volume with alsamixer, assign alsa to the player, install plug-ins, assign audio rights to users .... |
| 03:32.52 | Gom | why would you need a joystick on debian anyways? |
| 03:33.00 | Azar | Gom: games |
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| 03:33.04 | Gom | play bf2 through wine? |
| 03:33.15 | chad | yeah, I want to use it with a flight simulator. |
| 03:33.45 | Azar | I tried some games that will not work with the keyboard or the mouse: I assume I needed a joystick |
| 03:33.59 | Azar | egoboo, for example |
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| 03:34.12 | chad | Yeah they probably needed a joystick. |
| 03:34.31 | Daishi | how do i get a previous version of a debian package? |
| 03:34.41 | chad | Then I have this dream of replacing my mouse with some really funky game controllers and freaking everyone out. |
| 03:34.42 | Gom | http://weblogs.asp.net/jmoon/archive/2005/10/05/426680.aspx mabye |
| 03:34.44 | Gom | best i could do |
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| 03:34.52 | peterS | Daishi: see http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 03:34.57 | Daishi | oo k |
| 03:35.03 | Daishi | thx |
| 03:35.10 | peterS | Daishi: assuming you don't have the old package still sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives/, which you might |
| 03:35.37 | Gom | chad ^ |
| 03:35.47 | Azar | I have no idea what gkrell needs to open alsa monitoring |
| 03:36.21 | chad | Gom: I'm not sure what bf2 is. |
| 03:36.51 | Gom | no the post is the only thing i could find about joysticks, http://weblogs.asp.net/jmoon/archive/2005/10/05/426680.aspx and battlefield 2 is the greatest game ever |
| 03:37.10 | Daishi | nope i didnt |
| 03:37.13 | Gom | besides tigerwoods 2006, and i dont really like tiger woods |
| 03:37.18 | Daishi | but thanks that worked |
| 03:37.54 | chad | gom: thanks for the link |
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| 03:39.26 | chad | gom: another thing I heard is that you can use a wireless game controller as a remote control for mplayer |
| 03:39.26 | onweald_tim | bbrazil (and all): Regarding how to set the password for a system being debootstrap'd... |
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| 03:39.39 | chad | which would be kind of cool assuming it would work. |
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| 03:39.53 | onweald_tim | My steps are: 1) debootstrap a system, 2) boot it, 3) create users/groups, set passwords 4) copy /etc/ passwd, group, shadow to another folder which will be used to initialize new debootstrap'd systems. |
| 03:40.01 | Empire|Pure | anybody use postfix + fetchmail + procmail ? |
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| 03:40.09 | onweald_tim | This was an FYI. Hope someone else can use it. |
| 03:40.20 | Gom | chad: good luck getting wireless to work |
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| 03:40.31 | Gom | or any of that |
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| 03:41.06 | chad | gome: well I'm using a wireless mouse right now, I'm hoping the game controller might not be harde |
| 03:41.20 | dario | quit |
| 03:41.28 | abrotman | Empire|Pure: did you try asking #postfix ? |
| 03:41.31 | Gom | i couldn't even install debian, tried 2 different cds and packages and it said corrupt files, i gave up |
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| 03:43.40 | octoberdan | Could someone please post their /etc/apt/sources.list ? I replaced mine... |
| 03:43.55 | hammerabi | octoberdan: a) always back things up in future, b) apt-setup |
| 03:44.04 | octoberdan | thanks |
| 03:44.15 | octoberdan | I was trying to pipe but I did '>' instead of '>>' |
| 03:44.33 | solomonn | peterS: i actually came in here to ask some off-debian-topic raid questions, i'll bet you will have some input for me :) |
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| 03:44.39 | chad | hmmm... the link gom gave me said the module joydev has to load at boot time. |
| 03:44.47 | peterS | solomonn: hmmm, possibly |
| 03:44.56 | peterS | octoberdan: c) http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.sarge |
| 03:44.59 | octoberdan | hammerabi: Thank you for the help. |
| 03:45.24 | octoberdan | sources.list is still gone.. |
| 03:45.32 | chad | I tried using modprobe but never thought about having it load at boot time. |
| 03:45.47 | chad | I actually have no experience with this kernel module business. |
| 03:46.00 | chad | So maybe that's the reason. |
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| 03:46.12 | octoberdan | peterS: Thanks! |
| 03:46.51 | solomonn | off-debian-topic: i have 5 drives that i'm going to set up in a raid5 for mostly hd video data. i was thinking of making about a 50G raid0 at the beginning and putting the operating system on it, thinking that the better performance of raid0 would be nice for data that I don't mind losing. but, i would imagine that when the raid5 and the raid0 are both being accessed, it might hurt performance. is it worth it to have this raid0, or sho |
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| 03:47.55 | peterS | solomonn: cut off. "have this raid0, or sho---" |
| 03:47.59 | solomonn | ooops |
| 03:48.07 | solomonn | have this raid0, or should i make the whole thing raid5? |
| 03:48.09 | De_Mon | 50G for the operating system? holy shit |
| 03:48.30 | octoberdan | Is a cluster worth setting up if you only have a switch and some ethernet to connect the machines? |
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| 03:48.35 | peterS | yeah 50G for the OS is kind of a stretch. 10 GB is more than Debian can use |
| 03:49.13 | solomonn | peterS, de_Mon: well, and for nntpcache, and some would be left for other things for which i might rather have better performance than parity |
| 03:49.28 | De_Mon | I'm using less than 3 gig with all sorts of bells and whistles |
| 03:50.00 | De_Mon | nntp cache on raid0? |
| 03:50.15 | solomonn | De_Mon: yeah |
| 03:50.34 | solomonn | De_Mon: my nntp server has 70 day retention, so the header files are some gigs |
| 03:50.42 | peterS | solomonn: well, neither raid0 nor raid5 necessarily access all drives at any given time. so parallel accesses shouldn't be a big problem. and they'll be no bigger problem than everything-on-raid5 |
| 03:51.24 | solomonn | peterS: hm, yeah, i suppose especially with 5 drives that would be true |
| 03:52.34 | solomonn | peterS: i may go ahead and make the partition a bit smaller though. i have not paid much attention to how much space debian alone takes up because i've been lazy and put all my data on a single partition for a long time :) |
| 03:52.41 | chad | Okay thanks a lot gom. I'll chew on that for a while. |
| 03:52.46 | chad | Bye. |
| 03:52.57 | peterS | solomonn: think of it this way: any parallel access of data might need to get the data from the same drive. or might not. this is more or less independent of how many partitions your drives have, or whether they're raid-0 or raid-5. |
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| 03:53.32 | Empire|Pure | what's the command for exec the .procmailrc file for all home with fetchmail i don't understand please help me |
| 03:53.43 | peterS | solomonn: my / partition is 2.4 GB and getting pretty full. that includes /usr but not /var. |
| 03:54.07 | solomonn | peterS: will i get much of a benefit, do you think, from using raid0? at least when it writes it won't have to be writing parity information |
| 03:54.09 | De_Mon | peterS does it include /home? |
| 03:54.24 | peterS | De_Mon: no, /var and /home are both on my "user data" partition |
| 03:54.38 | De_Mon | writing parity would be less work than writing the same data 2x wouldnt it? |
| 03:54.44 | peterS | along with, for historical reasons I should know better than to perpetuate, /usr/src |
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| 03:54.54 | peterS | De_Mon: raid0 doesn't do that, it's striping not mirroring |
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| 03:55.20 | abrotman | raid0 is pretty much worthless |
| 03:55.20 | De_Mon | oh, i always get 1 and 0 mixed up |
| 03:55.29 | peterS | solomonn: raid5 chews CPU, raid0 doesn't. for data you don't care about, raid0 or raid1 are better than raid5. raid0 is faster for writes and gives you the full capacity. both are equal speed for reads. |
| 03:55.39 | peterS | abortman! howyadoin |
| 03:55.57 | abrotman | peterS: hey .. i'm glad to see your terminal didn't burn |
| 03:56.08 | peterS | and for something that *really* chews CPU, use raid6 |
| 03:56.08 | ludovicus | hellow fellows, happy new year!! |
| 03:56.11 | De_Mon | I wouldn't stripe anything but unimprtant data (like not the operating system) |
| 03:56.26 | Azar | I am trying to figure out why do I get this error message from gkrellm: Can't open ALSA monitoring Look for an "ALSA lib" console error message.. |
| 03:56.31 | ke6isf | !beer the entire channel |
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| 03:56.34 | solomonn | are there any apt caching proxy servers that one can configure to download subsequent versions of a package once any version has been requested by a client? so that whenever you do an upgrade, the new packages will already be cached even though you've never requested that version? |
| 03:56.35 | abrotman | did you ask #alsa ? |
| 03:56.39 | abrotman | ke6isf: dead bot |
| 03:56.48 | solomonn | if i had something like that i might have an excuse to make a bigger raid0 :) |
| 03:56.50 | ke6isf | abrotman: Aw, crap. |
| 03:56.54 | ke6isf | @test |
| 03:56.55 | Azar | abrotman, is a gkrell issue, my player goes ok |
| 03:57.02 | abrotman | ke6isf: that one is dead too |
| 03:57.03 | ke6isf | abrotman: Looks like all bots are off. |
| 03:57.03 | navinRjohnson | anyone have an apt-source preference for transcode? i'm using marillat but i'm getting a lot of errors |
| 03:57.06 | peterS | abrotman: it's the strangest thing. it always happens. I had a 2-month uptime (since the last power outage around here), but then a couple days after I leave town I get another power outage so my computer doesn't boot back up so I can't ssh to it while I'm out |
| 03:57.07 | abrotman | ~test |
| 03:57.08 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 03:57.15 | ke6isf | ~beer the entire channel |
| 03:57.17 | apt | ACTION deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for the entire channel |
| 03:57.17 | kspath | aterm good enough to use with ion3? |
| 03:57.25 | abrotman | peterS: so your computer misses you .. and acts up ? |
| 03:57.26 | ke6isf | Ah, there we go. That'll do. |
| 03:57.45 | peterS | abrotman: I wish I could convince it to reboot when the power blinks. it seems to want to just, y'know, stay off. |
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| 03:57.48 | solomonn | De_Mon: my operating system isn't that important to me, compared to HD video content i get off usenet that i might find expired if i have to re-download it. i can always reinstall my OS |
| 03:57.55 | octoberdan | When echoing, what is the equivalent to \n ? |
| 03:57.58 | abrotman | peterS: it's crying for attention :) |
| 03:57.59 | De_Mon | peterS is your computers pet name 'enterprise' do you call yourself scotty? |
| 03:58.21 | bronaugh | so long as he's allowed to beam people up I'm sure it'll all be OK. |
| 03:58.24 | De_Mon | solomonn reinstalling your os means downtime |
| 03:58.25 | Snoopy | is it possible to burn vcd's with cd creator? |
| 03:58.26 | peterS | De_Mon: my computer is named 'wire' and I don't think I've ever called myself scotty |
| 03:58.36 | abrotman | octoberdan: it's stuck on the end by default |
| 03:58.42 | navinRjohnson | itsa bios deally solomon |
| 03:58.44 | peterS | octoberdan: echo -e '\n'. note the -e. |
| 03:58.53 | solomonn | navinRjohnson: ? |
| 03:59.00 | De_Mon | peterS hrm, i duno whats wrong then ! |
| 03:59.04 | peterS | octoberdan: or printf '\n' |
| 03:59.08 | solomonn | De_Mon: i have notoriously bad uptime anyway :) |
| 03:59.09 | navinRjohnson | yes |
| 03:59.27 | solomonn | navinRjohnson: you used my name but i have no idea what you're talking about :) |
| 03:59.40 | navinRjohnson | wrong name...ops |
| 03:59.45 | solomonn | ah hehe |
| 03:59.52 | peterS | solomonn: note, btw, that I doubt grub can cope with /boot as raid0. pulling little bits of filesystem off multiple physical drives is going to tax any boot loader |
| 03:59.54 | Empire|Pure | when i exec fetchmail it take all mail in my provider pop server for all user define in /root/.fetchmailrc but it puts all mail of all user in just one user mail files (/var/mail/user) |
| 04:00.06 | Snoopy | no one? |
| 04:00.15 | peterS | solomonn: or raid5. it can do raid1 just fine, I'm sure |
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| 04:00.27 | solomonn | peterS: yeah, i have raid0 right now and IIRC i made a small raid1 for /boot |
| 04:00.33 | peterS | *nod* |
| 04:00.39 | Empire|Pure | but i have create .fetchmailrc file for all user ... |
| 04:00.49 | peterS | just something not to forget |
| 04:00.52 | cwood | Question: Anybody else's xdm'ed X login bits not reading $HOME/.xsession any more after that last apt-get upgrade? I note that from a console with reading .xinitrc seems fine. |
| 04:00.53 | solomonn | solomonn: i figure i don't really need raid0's better writing performance for /boot :P and raid1 has slightly better read performance than raid0 |
| 04:00.55 | abrotman | you could use a global fetchmailrc |
| 04:02.05 | Empire|Pure | abrotman nop ... |
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| 04:02.24 | abrotman | ok .. fine |
| 04:02.31 | solomonn | oops, s/solomonn/peters/ |
| 04:02.33 | s0n1cm0nk3y | can someone help me and post their grub configuration (if they have a dual boot with windows) that way I can compare mine to theirs? |
| 04:02.39 | solomonn | i'm talking to myself :) |
| 04:02.50 | peterS | right (: |
| 04:03.09 | abrotman | s0n1cm0nk3y: how about you post yours somewhere |
| 04:03.17 | abrotman | s0n1cm0nk3y: #flood would work |
| 04:03.18 | Empire|Pure | abrotman what's the command for exec the .procmailrc with fetchmail ? |
| 04:03.41 | solomonn | peterS: though, if a boot loader doesn't like pulling little bits off of multiple disks, then does it even take advantage of raid1's improved read performance? |
| 04:04.00 | abrotman | Empire|Pure: can you do that ? |
| 04:04.04 | solomonn | peterS: or does it support raid1 simply because all the data can be found on the one disk that it reads from :) |
| 04:04.32 | solomonn | peterS: furthermore, i wonder if there are certain things i should make raid1 because they will be written once and then read many times |
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| 04:04.57 | solomonn | peterS: hum, maybe the entire OS, or most of it, in fact |
| 04:04.57 | solomonn | hehe |
| 04:04.58 | peterS | solomonn: for boot loaders the traditional position is ... *not to worry* about read performance! yeah, it supports raid1 by basically ignoring the multiple copies. |
| 04:05.13 | Empire|Pure | abrotman have you make this in your .fetchmailrc : mda "/usr/bin/procmail -Y -d %T" ??? |
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| 04:05.24 | abrotman | Empire|Pure: i don't use fetchmail or procmail |
| 04:05.26 | PsYcHoDeLiCo | hi hi hi |
| 04:05.31 | s0n1cm0nk3y | s0n1cm0nk3y, well the dilemma is that im using gentoo right now, and for some reason the grub config I have for it is being a pain an wont let me run windows, I used to use ubuntu a while back before I went into debian and remembered it could dual boot just fine, so I went into #ubuntu, and they know nothing apparently, so thats why im asking you guys for something to compare to, hoping the grub configs here will give me some new |
| 04:05.32 | bronaugh | peterS: well, not quite. |
| 04:05.35 | abrotman | not currently anyways |
| 04:05.43 | bronaugh | peterS: in the case of lilo it supports writing the multiple boot records and such. |
| 04:05.52 | solomonn | peterS: then it is a waste of disk space to use raid1 for a boot partition, huh :) |
| 04:05.53 | abrotman | s0n1cm0nk3y: then ask #gentoo .. or #grub .. certainly not #debian |
| 04:05.54 | bronaugh | peterS: for this reason my server can have a single-disk failure and still boot just fine. |
| 04:05.58 | peterS | bronaugh: hence the 'basically'. I meant the grub runtime, not the installer. |
| 04:06.13 | s0n1cm0nk3y | abrotman, um ok |
| 04:06.15 | abrotman | s0n1cm0nk3y: and google has TONS of examples |
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| 04:06.19 | peterS | solomonn: unless you want to be able to boot the box even if your primary hard drive dies |
| 04:06.59 | peterS | grub (and lilo, with a bit of encouragement) does support failover for booting. like, having its early boot bits stored on multiple master boot records, so the bios can boot any of them and it'll do the right thing |
| 04:07.28 | solomonn | peterS: i also feel silly for something i did when i first played with RAID. i made a 1G raid0 array and used it for swap in order to improve performance when swapping; i later learned that multiple swap partitions are striped automagically anyway, so using software raid0 to do it is just a big waste, and i imagine it hurts performance :) |
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| 04:07.53 | solomonn | peterS: hum, that is a good point. i will use raid1 for /boot after all :) |
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| 04:08.09 | peterS | solomonn: ha, indeed. raid0 for swap might not hurt but it certainly doesn't help. |
| 04:08.17 | bronaugh | raid1 for swap is a good idea. |
| 04:08.24 | bronaugh | means a disk failure doesn't wipe out swap. |
| 04:08.42 | solomonn | bronaugh: hum, but it would make writing to swap slower, and swap wants to be fast, no? |
| 04:08.49 | peterS | in this day and age I always recommend swap *files* rather than partitions. they are apparently just as fast, and a great deal easier to manage, if your perception of swap needs happens to change |
| 04:09.03 | bronaugh | solomonn: yeah, but do you want reliability or speed? |
| 04:09.15 | solomonn | peterS: humm, i didn't know there was such a thing as a swap file |
| 04:09.32 | peterS | solomonn: well, the question to ask yourself is, do I want a disk failure to crash the OS, or not. if you've got the OS itself on raid0, you clearly don't care about that. if you've got the OS itself on raid1, you probably want the swap on raid1 for exactly the same reason |
| 04:09.52 | solomonn | bronaugh: when it comes to memory, i would think speed... if a disk fails, i'm going to need to shut my box down at some point anyway, i might as well let a crash force me to do it sooner than later :) |
| 04:10.07 | peterS | solomonn: oh yes. create an empty file of the appropriate size then 'mkswap' the file. then add the file (in place of a device name) to /etc/fstab as a regular swap entry |
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| 04:10.38 | solomonn | peterS: how do you make an empty file of the appropriate size? |
| 04:10.42 | bronaugh | solomonn: see, I'd rather be able to replace the disk at my leisure. |
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| 04:11.03 | peterS | solomonn: 'dd' or moral equivalent. so like 'dd < /dev/zero > /swap0 bs=1M count=512' |
| 04:11.08 | solomonn | hm, uptime or speed.. hummm |
| 04:11.25 | solomonn | peterS: ah... well that's not empty, it's full of zero's! ;) |
| 04:11.43 | bronaugh | solomonn: it's more about locus of control. |
| 04:11.47 | peterS | solomonn: right, and that's actually an important distinction. a "sparse file", which really *is* empty, won't work for swap |
| 04:11.52 | bronaugh | solomonn: do you want the computer to have control over you, or vice versa? |
| 04:11.57 | solomonn | locus? |
| 04:12.03 | solomonn | bronaugh: hehe |
| 04:12.08 | nixie | peterS: then you have no control over the physical place of the swap file, and i've read that the best place to put swap is in the center of a disk partition. not sure how much that holds true tho |
| 04:12.23 | nixie | s/partition// |
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| 04:12.43 | peterS | solomonn: locus /lo-kus/ n. 1. set of points 2. word to make one sound educated |
| 04:12.58 | solomonn | bronaugh: i think for my purposes i'd rather have a box that is faster when it's up, and if it goes down then it makes a new project for me, but doesn't cause me to lose all my movies :) |
| 04:13.05 | solomonn | haha |
| 04:13.22 | bronaugh | peterS: actually, it's a locality or place. |
| 04:13.24 | bronaugh | but whatever |
| 04:13.31 | Tortel | !test |
| 04:13.31 | solomonn | peterS: i guess that word was not in my vernacular |
| 04:13.32 | solomonn | *cough* |
| 04:13.36 | bronaugh | I used that word before I got edjumucated |
| 04:13.37 | Tortel | :| |
| 04:13.38 | abrotman | Tortel: dead |
| 04:13.57 | solomonn | bronaugh: you must have been a savant! |
| 04:14.07 | peterS | I guess the Latin word probably means 'location'. let me reach over and grab that la<->en dictionary.... |
| 04:14.12 | bronaugh | solomonn: only if prefixed by "idiot" |
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| 04:14.21 | solomonn | bronaugh: :) |
| 04:15.34 | solomonn | i wonder, though, if raid1 would ultimately be better for performance as well as stability. i mean, you install the OS, and it will install a little slower if it's on raid1. but then outside of package upgrades, it should be slightly faster than raid0 from then on |
| 04:15.44 | solomonn | sine it can use all 5 drives in perfect parallel |
| 04:15.44 | peterS | wow...... locus: place, site, spot, locality, district, seat, town, village, period (of time), opportunity, room, occasion, situation, position, category, rank, degree, birth, office, post, passage (in a book), topic, subject, point, division, (military) post/position, (astrological) house. |
| 04:16.01 | abrotman | bronaugh: i think it means 1) locations 2) math: set of points |
| 04:16.05 | solomonn | peterS: when he used it he meant astrological house |
| 04:16.11 | peterS | of course! |
| 04:16.21 | peterS | well, the English word doesn't necessarily mean the same things as the Latin word does |
| 04:16.38 | peterS | but clearly the Latin word was rather versatile |
| 04:16.59 | abrotman | peterS: do you have a yinzer<->en dictionary ? :) |
| 04:17.07 | peterS | abortman: unfortunately, I do not |
| 04:17.10 | solomonn | peterS: i wonder, when you use 5 drives in parallel, whether you really get that much benefit over 4 or 3. is there some other bottleneck that will prevent you from getting 5x the performance of a single drive? |
| 04:17.20 | abrotman | peterS: http://pittsburghese.com/ |
| 04:17.28 | hammerabi | the english word is common at least in geometry |
| 04:17.30 | bronaugh | peterS: good word eh :P |
| 04:17.44 | peterS | bronaugh: a noun for all occasions |
| 04:17.48 | bronaugh | yes. |
| 04:17.53 | peterS | hammerabi: right, in which case it means set of points |
| 04:18.09 | peterS | solomonn: I don't have 5 drives, so I can't say. I can't think of other bottlenecks except the IDE controller(s) and the PCI bus(ses) |
| 04:18.46 | hammerabi | seektastic! |
| 04:19.09 | solomonn | peterS: i've got 3 ide's and 2 sata's, so hopefully the controllers won't be an issue. the board is pci-e, i don't know how the whole bus thing works for ide and sata in the sort of board |
| 04:19.19 | Azar | ytree!! sooooooooo cool! |
| 04:19.39 | Azar | I never thought I will ever see this neat program |
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| 04:20.17 | solomonn | peterS: i also wonder if one could screw themselves out of better performance by, say, putting one really slow drive in with 3 or 4 fast drives |
| 04:20.17 | peterS | solomonn: if you think about modern drives sustaining 50 MB per second, that's 400 Mbit. what can pci-e do? I forget |
| 04:20.17 | hammerabi | "Wedgie: A Pizza/Steak Hoagie." |
| 04:20.22 | hammerabi | I don't think I want to ask |
| 04:20.32 | abrotman | hammerabi: ? |
| 04:20.51 | hammerabi | abrotman: what is a hoagie and how do you get both steak *and* pizza in it? |
| 04:20.53 | peterS | abrotman: he's surprised at the yinzer language here |
| 04:21.00 | abrotman | hammerabi: a hoagie is a long roll sandwich |
| 04:21.05 | hammerabi | hoagie sounds like something you cough up after smoking for 45 years |
| 04:21.13 | bronaugh | no, that's loogie. |
| 04:21.16 | abrotman | hammerabi: sub? hero ? |
| 04:21.19 | hammerabi | ah |
| 04:21.21 | solomonn | peterS: 8000 mbit :) |
| 04:21.33 | bronaugh | see? I'm conversant in latin -and- Beavis and Butthead. |
| 04:21.34 | peterS | solomonn: so probably not a lot of bus contention between your 5 drives |
| 04:21.35 | abrotman | hammerabi: and in PA we have cheesesteaks and pizzasteaks |
| 04:21.49 | hammerabi | abrotman: cheesesteak = cheese, steak on a hoagie? |
| 04:22.01 | hammerabi | 36C is a ridiculous outside temperature |
| 04:22.02 | peterS | bronaugh: bonus round: what are the plural forms of locus, and which do you use where? |
| 04:22.04 | abrotman | hammerabi: and if you had veggies .. they might call it a cheesesteak hoagie |
| 04:22.08 | abrotman | hammerabi: yeah .. |
| 04:22.14 | nixie | how much mbit is regular pci 33mhz? |
| 04:22.18 | nixie | 800? |
| 04:22.19 | abrotman | hammerabi: like chipsteak and cheese |
| 04:22.22 | bronaugh | peterS: locii |
| 04:22.24 | solomonn | peterS: hum, i think i'm glad i got this pci-e board. i would have gotten agp simply to be able to put my old unused agp gfx card in it, but there were no cheap, socket-754, 4-sata, gigabit lan mobo's that had agb |
| 04:22.25 | peterS | nixie: 33 MHz times 32 bits, you do the math (: |
| 04:22.26 | solomonn | agp |
| 04:22.33 | abrotman | hammerabi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak |
| 04:22.36 | nixie | peterS: been up too long :) |
| 04:22.37 | hammerabi | abrotman: chipsteak? |
| 04:22.44 | wakejagr | does apt keep a list of recently installed packages? |
| 04:22.44 | peterS | bronaugh: loci, loca, locorum. I'm not sure where to use each |
| 04:22.47 | bronaugh | peterS: and really that's the only one I know :P you'd use that to refer to a set of location. |
| 04:22.53 | bronaugh | locations. |
| 04:23.01 | abrotman | hammerabi: read the link .. they describe it pretty well |
| 04:23.10 | peterS | I wouldn't have even known about loca or locorum if not for this dictionary |
| 04:23.14 | bronaugh | heheh |
| 04:23.28 | bronaugh | yeah, I didn't look it up just now, though I did look up locus to be sure I'd used it properly. |
| 04:23.40 | solomonn | we have only begun to touch on *loc* words. what about locust and loch ness? |
| 04:23.44 | nixie | 32/8*33.3*1000000/1048576=127.2 |
| 04:23.46 | nixie | MBytes/second |
| 04:23.52 | abrotman | hammerabi: very good things .. |
| 04:23.55 | nixie | so uhh, 1gbit? |
| 04:24.02 | peterS | nixie: yeah |
| 04:24.25 | solomonn | hehe, nice math |
| 04:24.30 | nixie | yay for google |
| 04:24.34 | solomonn | haha |
| 04:24.39 | nixie | ;) |
| 04:24.42 | peterS | nixie: never mind google, just use dpkg |
| 04:24.52 | peterS | !32/8*33.3*1000000/1048576 |
| 04:25.01 | peterS | if it's alive |
| 04:25.01 | abrotman | hammerabi: i've had pat's, geno's, and tony luke's |
| 04:25.23 | peterS | ~32/8*33.3*1000000/1048576 |
| 04:25.24 | apt | 127.029418945312 |
| 04:25.53 | kspath | ion-pwn are too minimal even for me maybe after I lived with it for a while I might like it |
| 04:26.01 | solomonn | peterS: hey, i must invite you to our LOTR party! |
| 04:26.07 | peterS | a LOTR party? |
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| 04:26.24 | solomonn | peterS: oh yes, and a really spiffy LOTR party indeed |
| 04:26.40 | solomonn | peterS: jon got a 42" 720p LCD |
| 04:27.00 | peterS | oh hey. quando? errrr, when? |
| 04:27.01 | solomonn | peterS: and i downloaded 1080p hd rips of all the movies from usenet |
| 04:27.14 | bronaugh | kspath: heh. ratpoison here. |
| 04:27.31 | solomonn | peterS: and jon bought a really nice surround sound receiver / amp, and is going to use his brother's really great speakers |
| 04:27.49 | solomonn | peterS: what's your email address again, i'll forward you his note inviting people |
| 04:28.05 | peterS | solomonn: bang path form is p12n.org!peter |
| 04:28.19 | peterS | (you mentioned usenet, they still use bang paths there) |
| 04:28.32 | solomonn | peterS: oh, it's on sunday, 12:30 ish to midnight ish |
| 04:28.38 | abrotman | hammerabi: are you drooling yet? |
| 04:28.44 | solomonn | peterS: hehe, you are very topical :P |
| 04:28.49 | hammerabi | abrotman: hah |
| 04:28.54 | hammerabi | I was just about to go get a kebab |
| 04:29.03 | hammerabi | call me when they get chili sauce on a cheesesteak |
| 04:29.08 | abrotman | hammerabi: they're really quite good when done right |
| 04:29.12 | peterS | solomonn: my next couple sundays are probably booked, as it happens |
| 04:29.13 | abrotman | hammerabi: put it on yourself |
| 04:29.17 | solomonn | peterS: doh |
| 04:29.27 | solomonn | peterS: bummer |
| 04:29.35 | peterS | well, sunday-as-in-2-days-from-now-sunday I can make it for about half of that |
| 04:29.46 | abrotman | hammerabi: and that would be a pizzasteak |
| 04:30.01 | hammerabi | yum |
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| 04:30.06 | solomonn | peterS: i was nearly put off of it myself because my work gives me random schedules now; but it looks like i will wind up working at 5:30 in the morning, so i should get off in time either to see the whole thing, or only miss an hour or so |
| 04:30.07 | hammerabi | delaware is really tiny |
| 04:30.12 | abrotman | hehe .. it is |
| 04:30.15 | solomonn | peterS: hey, half is pretty good, for 12 hours of movies |
| 04:30.21 | solomonn | peterS: that's like 3 normal movies :) |
| 04:30.22 | peterS | hehe |
| 04:30.45 | peterS | quite so. |
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| 04:31.57 | peterS | hmmm, I wonder if I have an unconscious TCP port number thing going on. I pick random times to microwave stuff since that's more interesting than even numbers, but when I want something done for just less than 5 minutes I tend to punch in 4:43. as in HTTPS. |
| 04:32.47 | SimonRaven | easier to punch in 443 instead of 500? |
| 04:32.49 | solomonn | hehehe |
| 04:32.56 | solomonn | easier still to punch 444 |
| 04:33.00 | peterS | not easier, but also not really harder |
| 04:33.00 | solomonn | :) |
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| 04:33.03 | SimonRaven | also 500 is error code 500, internal server error |
| 04:33.22 | peterS | my uwave number pad is annoying, repeating digits isn't as easy as it looks |
| 04:33.31 | solomonn | i like the microwaves that will let you punch "5" and will immediately start cooking something for 5 minutes |
| 04:33.33 | SimonRaven | (for http anyway), similar for smtp |
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| 04:33.39 | gb | internal server error of what? I dont see server errors :P |
| 04:33.41 | solomonn | that's an intuitive ui right there |
| 04:33.43 | lewis | msg dpkg |
| 04:33.46 | lewis | oops |
| 04:34.43 | solomonn | me has only one / left, but hands it to lewis anyway, in an act of self sacrifice |
| 04:34.44 | abrotman | lewis: he's ead |
| 04:34.44 | abrotman | dead |
| 04:34.51 | peterS | anyway, I do save effort on that uwave. when I want to cook something for a minute and a half I always type '89' or '92' or something rather than '130' |
| 04:34.52 | kspath | bronaugh: ratpoison ? |
| 04:35.01 | SimonRaven | he's dead jim, hand him a slash |
| 04:35.30 | peterS | solomonn: maybe you can recycle these, they just need to be mirror-image-processed or something: \ \ \ \ \ |
| 04:35.31 | bronaugh | kspath: ratpoison.nongnu.org |
| 04:35.37 | solomonn | hehehe |
| 04:35.45 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 04:36.00 | solomonn | peterS: i have a bunch of |||'s i could rotate but i'm lazy |
| 04:36.12 | peterS | good, good |
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| 04:36.34 | lewis | dpkg is dead? |
| 04:36.37 | lewis | what |
| 04:36.40 | peterS | lewis: use apt |
| 04:36.45 | peterS | and the ~ prefix |
| 04:36.46 | SimonRaven | i have a bunch of - - - - - around |
| 04:37.04 | Phated | I have some ]]] left, you could unbend them. |
| 04:37.07 | lewis | the bot? |
| 04:37.08 | lewis | dpkg |
| 04:37.24 | peterS | SimonRaven: â â â â â â â |
| 04:37.31 | SimonRaven | it's not even on the channel |
| 04:37.58 | peterS | hey, it's ---ted |
| 04:37.59 | solomonn | why don't i come in here more :) |
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| 04:38.03 | kspath | bronaugh: I have a 3 head machine with xinerama will ratpoison deal ? |
| 04:38.05 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 04:38.18 | bronaugh | kspath: yup. |
| 04:38.32 | bronaugh | kspath: it's dealt with 2 heads just fine here. |
| 04:38.33 | kspath | coolness will try it |
| 04:38.43 | kspath | thanks |
| 04:38.45 | SimonRaven | you – person you :P |
| 04:39.02 | Phated | Heh. |
| 04:39.18 | yves | how do I enable the scroll wheel on my mouse? |
| 04:39.24 | peterS | careful with that heh, Phated. solomonn has been known to have allergic reactions to that syllable. |
| 04:39.34 | Phated | Cor, heh, has he? Heh. |
| 04:39.39 | solomonn | haha |
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| 04:39.57 | SimonRaven | what, 'heh'? |
| 04:40.08 | ZentoSama | someone know where do i get the .htaccess to put my Rewrite line. to avoid hotlink on apache2 |
| 04:40.09 | peterS | ~solomon |
| 04:40.11 | apt | i guess solomon is mailto:solom0nn@hotmail.com, or the antiheh, or officially a dewd, or a writer for DebianPlanet, or the Antiheh!, or has a freaking rocking screenshot, or @$$% |
| 04:40.11 | solomonn | excuse me :) |
| 04:40.14 | ZentoSama | i cant find it anywhere |
| 04:40.31 | peterS | "the antiheh" is a tribute to his erstwhile reaction against overuse of that particular means of guffaw |
| 04:40.41 | solomonn | how do you tell apt that i am s/solom0nn@hotmail.com/spongebobsquarehat@gmail.com/ |
| 04:40.50 | solomonn | s/how do you/will someone/ |
| 04:40.51 | solomonn | hehe |
| 04:41.11 | peterS | ~solomon =~ s/solom0nn@hotmail.com/spongebobsquarehat@gmail.com/ |
| 04:41.11 | apt | OK, peterS |
| 04:41.16 | lewis | i'm trying to get dpkg to tell me the nvidia oneliner. |
| 04:41.38 | lewis | '/msg dpkg nvidia oneliner' right? |
| 04:41.41 | solomonn | lewis: maybe apt knows it |
| 04:41.45 | Phated | Isn't dpkg dead? |
| 04:41.45 | solomonn | lewis: dpkg isn't working now |
| 04:41.51 | lewis | oh |
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| 04:42.23 | solomonn | i am very annoyed with the state of linux gpu drivers, free and non-free alike |
| 04:42.47 | SimonRaven | ZentoSama: ReWriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://spaces\.msn\.com/.*\nRewriteRule ^.*$ http://XXX.XXX.XXX/nohotlinking.xhtml [R=301,L] ; note the \n |
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| 04:43.24 | ravenbird | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of simonraven) |
| 04:43.25 | ZentoSama | SimonRaven: yes but where do i put that code? |
| 04:43.29 | ZentoSama | SimonRaven: in the httpd.conf? |
| 04:43.35 | ZentoSama | i mean what files... |
| 04:43.41 | SimonRaven | yes, or some other conf |
| 04:43.43 | yves | err.. guys? I had the scrollwheel of my mouse working yesterday until I restarted x. anyone has an idea how to make it work again? |
| 04:43.55 | ZentoSama | ok |
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| 04:44.02 | SimonRaven | rb knows it too |
| 04:44.10 | SimonRaven | @nvidia one-liner |
| 04:44.12 | ravenbird | apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick ... |
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| 04:44.37 | SkArFaCe | can anyone help with demudi |
| 04:44.47 | SimonRaven | no, #demudi |
| 04:44.47 | Remmy | Hi all, if a post removal script fails, how do I get properly rid of a package? |
| 04:45.10 | ZentoSama | SimonRaven: u sure the htaccess code go into httpd.conf ? |
| 04:45.27 | lewis | thanksyou |
| 04:45.30 | SimonRaven | RTFM please. apt-get install apache[2]-doc |
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| 04:45.42 | alex323 | Hey all. |
| 04:46.02 | alex323 | I was screwing around with LVM, and somehow /var was destroyed. |
| 04:46.19 | alex323 | When I execute apt-get install -f, I get this output: |
| 04:46.20 | alex323 | http://www.pastehere.com/?acmcxa |
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| 04:46.41 | alex323 | It appears that all my packages have been deselected and need to be selected again. |
| 04:46.58 | alex323 | The problem is that there are dependency issues. |
| 04:47.09 | intx | how do i flush ip_conntrack? |
| 04:48.18 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 04:48.22 | abrotman | fucking stupid bot |
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| 04:48.41 | lewis | the onliner works with sarge doesn't it? |
| 04:48.48 | SimonRaven | @reinstall |
| 04:48.48 | ravenbird | i heard reinstall is cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 04:49.15 | abrotman | my productivity has plummetted .. |
| 04:49.29 | SimonRaven | are you at work still? |
| 04:49.34 | alex323 | Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I should resolve this problem? |
| 04:49.49 | abrotman | SimonRaven: me? |
| 04:49.50 | peterS | abortman: you caught the discussion of creating abotman, right? |
| 04:50.02 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i meant my kingsley-productivity |
| 04:50.08 | abrotman | peterS: i don't think so |
| 04:50.12 | SimonRaven | abrotman: sorry, yeh. oh hehe |
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| 04:50.22 | abrotman | peterS: when was it ? |
| 04:50.23 | peterS | abortman: we've agreed that we need a bot for when you're not around |
| 04:50.27 | peterS | earlier this evening |
| 04:50.31 | kspath | !abotman tell me about Apple |
| 04:50.33 | peterS | hence abotman |
| 04:50.37 | SimonRaven | abotman |
| 04:50.57 | abrotman | peterS: ah .. i was dealing with my mother and her fragile mental state |
| 04:51.20 | abrotman | peterS: did they come up with one ? |
| 04:51.40 | peterS | abortman: so far it's only a figment of our considerable imaginations |
| 04:51.46 | abrotman | peterS: if i linked a bot to abrotman .. when i joined .. it woudl go away ? |
| 04:51.55 | abrotman | peterS: i mean linked via nickserv |
| 04:52.15 | peterS | abortman: I don't know what happens when multiple aliases for a single nick are on freenode at once. I haven't tried it |
| 04:52.30 | abrotman | peterS: and what does this bot do ? |
| 04:52.43 | peterS | abortman: helps people and spouts wisdom |
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| 04:52.52 | abrotman | peterS: and this is like me .. how ? |
| 04:53.07 | abrotman | peterS: you know i highlight on abortman .. right ? |
| 04:53.07 | peterS | the, uh, talking on channel part |
| 04:53.30 | peterS | abortman: of course. you don't think I type it that way by accident, do you? I have to type it all the way out by hand each time |
| 04:53.37 | Elly | they're writing an opposite to you |
| 04:53.38 | abrotman | peterS: will it go !moo every once in a while? |
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| 04:53.43 | Elly | so they can blow you up by reacting it with you |
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| 04:54.13 | abrotman | peterS: someone mistyped it .. atotman the other day |
| 04:54.18 | peterS | ha |
| 04:54.30 | rutski89 | I just mounted a dir with "mount --bind" and now it doesn't want to unmount |
| 04:54.36 | kspath | atitman: I still do not have a job! |
| 04:54.40 | peterS | abortman: it amuses me to misspell your nick. letting tab completion do its thing would be easier, to be sure |
| 04:54.42 | abrotman | kspath: not funny |
| 04:54.47 | solomonn | the bort identity |
| 04:54.57 | abrotman | peterS: obviously |
| 04:54.57 | Remmy | Hi all, if a post removal script fails, how do I get properly rid of a package? |
| 04:55.00 | solomonn | is he a bot? a tot? |
| 04:55.06 | peterS | solomonn: that movie needs another sequel, 'the bourne again shell' |
| 04:55.08 | abrotman | I am not a bot! |
| 04:55.19 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. we need more movie posters! |
| 04:55.21 | solomonn | peterS: first comes the bourne shell |
| 04:55.27 | SimonRaven | abrotmanbot |
| 04:55.36 | kspath | no really kspath does not have a job anyone hiring unix/linux admins I can be a BOFH for reasonable rates |
| 04:55.43 | abrotman | Remmy: fix the script |
| 04:55.47 | lewis | that onliner rocks |
| 04:55.56 | SimonRaven | oneliner |
| 04:56.05 | peterS | abrotman: talk to fhffhqvb |
| 04:56.14 | abrotman | peterS: about what ? |
| 04:56.15 | Remmy | abrotman: Where is the script located? And can't all the package contents be removed without running the script? |
| 04:56.23 | peterS | abrotman: movie posters, he did the bob2 series |
| 04:56.29 | abrotman | peterS: i thought sussudio_ made them ? |
| 04:56.42 | peterS | ~rot13 fhffhqvb |
| 04:56.42 | apt | sussudio |
| 04:56.47 | abrotman | Remmy: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 04:57.02 | abrotman | peterS: damn you! |
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| 04:57.08 | Remmy | abrotman: Thanks |
| 04:57.11 | gravity | I still have those posters. At least the ones that I saw. |
| 04:57.15 | peterS | me? |
| 04:57.27 | peterS | gravity: pretty sure there were just 5. I'm sure you've seen 'em all |
| 04:57.33 | abrotman | gravity: they're on sussudio_'s server iirc |
| 04:57.41 | gravity | I think I only had 3 |
| 04:57.55 | kuhwallskee | I got a quick question. I'm getting ready to install nvidia-glx and when I run apt it tells me it's gotta remove gnome and all this other stuff?? will it reinstall it or what's the deal?? I'm in sarge amd64.. any ideas? |
| 04:57.57 | peterS | dondelelcaro mirrored the 5 somewhere |
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| 04:59.25 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 04:59.25 | dpkg | que tal |
| 04:59.29 | lewis | you know, i have to admit i installed ubuntu, and i ran back to debian after it wouldn't let me log in as root |
| 04:59.35 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 04:59.35 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 04:59.39 | peterS | !welcome back! |
| 04:59.39 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 04:59.46 | lewis | hey |
| 05:00.46 | abrotman | i thought dpkg would know the url |
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| 05:02.20 | abrotman | peterS: i can't find them |
| 05:03.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/pound_debian/ |
| 05:03.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 05:03.45 | peterS | gravity: you get that? dondelelcaro posted his url |
| 05:04.06 | abrotman | !Movie posters |
| 05:04.06 | dpkg | i heard movie posters is http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/pound_debian/ |
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| 05:04.45 | gravity | Heh, cool |
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| 05:05.48 | orchid | :) |
| 05:06.11 | abrotman | sussudio_: make more! |
| 05:06.13 | emp | could someone recommend a good howto/walkthough for L2TP/IPSec on debian? :) |
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| 05:08.56 | falkon | I honestly can't find my way around the mknod command. I need to create dsp2 and dsp3 in /dev and mixer2 and mixer3, but devices.txt doesn't have a major/minor number listed for those. What do I need to do? |
| 05:09.42 | peterS | falkon: probably just 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV dsp' or similar |
| 05:09.48 | gravity | These posters were awesome |
| 05:10.01 | falkon | so MAKEDEV dsp2? |
| 05:10.08 | peterS | falkon: ah, 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV audio' does all those |
| 05:10.32 | peterS | falkon: ...unless you happen to be running udev, in which case, good luck, I don't know how to configure udev |
| 05:10.32 | falkon | nope still only 2 |
| 05:11.27 | Tortel | yarr |
| 05:11.28 | peterS | falkon: udev is, in theory, in tune with the kernel's own idea of what devices are available. so if it doesn't create a mixer3 and dsp3, perhaps the your kernel sound driver doesn't think you have that many devices |
| 05:11.38 | peterS | s/the // |
| 05:11.52 | falkon | well my soudn device works, so I guess stick to it? |
| 05:12.00 | peterS | *nod* |
| 05:12.04 | falkon | thanks |
| 05:12.40 | peterS | gregor_samsa, huh? someone's been reading his kafka |
| 05:14.50 | ZentoSama | someone know how to use .htaccess file for apache2? |
| 05:15.03 | ZentoSama | actually, i made the .htaccess on the /var/www/ but it seem not taking effect.. |
| 05:16.46 | SimonRaven | g'night |
| 05:17.37 | SimonRaven | ZentoSama: um, has to be wherever the site is, so if the site is housed in /var/www/foobar you put it in foobar/ |
| 05:18.34 | ZentoSama | yes i did |
| 05:18.45 | ZentoSama | i put in every folder in the /var/www/ |
| 05:18.46 | ZentoSama | lo |
| 05:18.47 | ZentoSama | lol |
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| 05:19.55 | SimonRaven | if you're going to do that, might as well stick it in a <Directory /></Directory> statement in httpd.conf |
| 05:20.49 | octoberdan | Anyone know what "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext |
| 05:20.50 | octoberdan | " |
| 05:20.53 | octoberdan | could mean? |
| 05:21.03 | octoberdan | I'm trying to build the source for wine |
| 05:21.17 | gravity | octoberdan: Install libext-dev |
| 05:21.27 | gravity | er... libxext-dev |
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| 05:21.35 | ZentoSama | SimonRave: i dont get what u mean by stick in the statement |
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| 05:21.48 | peterS | octoberdan: better yet, 'apt-get build-dep wine' |
| 05:22.03 | SimonRaven | ZentoSama: apt-get install apache-doc |
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| 05:23.41 | octoberdan | gravity: Still the same error |
| 05:24.32 | octoberdan | peterS: Will that be newer then the built package listed/ |
| 05:24.34 | kspath | yeah I hate the same error ls -ls command failed (same error) |
| 05:24.56 | gravity | octoberdan: You may have to configure it to look in the right place for the lib. If wine uses a configure script, use the --help switch to figure out how |
| 05:25.43 | octoberdan | gravity: Alright thanks |
| 05:26.46 | octoberdan | I went to winehq and updated my sources.list, but when I apt-get install wine I get an unmet dependencies error: "wine: Depends: libxxf86dga1" |
| 05:27.01 | octoberdan | but libxxf86dga1 isn't available |
| 05:27.13 | octoberdan | to download |
| 05:27.50 | gravity | octoberdan: Are you running sarge? |
| 05:28.02 | octoberdan | gravity: Yep |
| 05:28.31 | gravity | octoberdan: Ok... if you really want to use that particular package you need to install xorg. You should be able to compile it using the packages available in sarge though |
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| 05:29.05 | octoberdan | gravity: what alternative do I have for getting the latest version of wine? |
| 05:29.35 | botsy | do you know if they are a command for disconnect user who are connect ? |
| 05:29.42 | dondelelcaro | botsy: slay |
| 05:29.46 | gravity | octoberdan: None that I'm aware of |
| 05:29.51 | gravity | Well, nothing significant |
| 05:30.13 | happyb | you could kill there bash session |
| 05:30.14 | botsy | thanx dondelelcaro |
| 05:30.22 | aldux | hola |
| 05:30.32 | aldux | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.34 | octoberdan | gravity: Why exactly do I need xorg? |
| 05:30.53 | gravity | octoberdan: If they provide the source to that package (.orig.tar.gz, diff.gz, and .dsc) you can change the build-dependencies to what's appropriate for sarge too |
| 05:31.07 | octoberdan | oh |
| 05:31.24 | gravity | octoberdan: libxxf86dga was split out from the xlibs-static-dev in its own shared lib package with xorg |
| 05:31.27 | botsy | if you prefer i have a problem because i want to delete an user but it say user was connect ... but he wasn't connect ... |
| 05:31.44 | botsy | do you know if it's possible to force userdel ? |
| 05:32.05 | gravity | octoberdan: So the package is saying that you need that package, but you don't have it because the lib is part of a different package on your system. You have the lib, the package just doesn't know you've got it |
| 05:32.19 | gravity | !es |
| 05:32.19 | gravity | damn |
| 05:32.19 | gravity | aldux: #debian-es |
| 05:32.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:32.28 | botsy | i think if i restart the computer it good but it's not the good solution ;) |
| 05:33.25 | octoberdan | gravity: So the next step is to install xorg? |
| 05:33.56 | gravity | octoberdan: If you want that exact package, then yeah |
| 05:34.28 | octoberdan | gravity: I just want somthing that works... |
| 05:34.55 | gravity | heh, things work with wine? |
| 05:35.01 | gravity | Why do you need wine anyway? |
| 05:35.42 | octoberdan | gravity: I want to run a windows app that isn't available for linux |
| 05:36.06 | aldux | which ? |
| 05:36.21 | gravity | octoberdan: There's no replacement at all for what you need to do? |
| 05:36.27 | aldux | which ? |
| 05:36.36 | octoberdan | aldux: Apprentice, it is deck building software for the card game "Magic: The Gathering" |
| 05:37.33 | aldux | ok |
| 05:37.36 | JohnLenin | hmm. steam is installed and working |
| 05:37.43 | JohnLenin | next up; half life 2 |
| 05:37.48 | aldux | wine ..not works ?? |
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| 05:39.43 | octoberdan | aldux: hm/ |
| 05:40.55 | gravity | octoberdan: http://freshmeat.net/projects/decked/ and http://freshmeat.net/projects/mcm/ |
| 05:40.55 | gravity | octoberdan: How about those? |
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| 05:42.56 | octoberdan | gravity: Apprentice alows users to play against eachother remotely |
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| 05:43.18 | duckdown | Hey all.. I just plugged in my Sony Digital USB camera, and SYSLOG shows it detected and says its loaded just fine, but how do I mount it or whatever now"? |
| 05:43.34 | gravity | octoberdan: There's another one of those when I looked on freshmeat. In my experience it's always best to look at the native options before running off to watch wine fail |
| 05:43.48 | gravity | octoberdan: Also check the usual suspects like sourceforge and berlios |
| 05:44.32 | octoberdan | gravity: Thank you for the help. I'm checking out the second of the two. Decked hasn't been updated in 2 or 3 years |
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| 05:45.15 | gravity | Ok |
| 05:45.15 | gravity | octoberdan: Hopefully they'll turn out to be easier than messing with wine and so forth. If you need xorg for sarge after all, just go to backports.org. But what you're doing is definitely the best first option |
| 05:46.01 | wolaoye | which is the debian package for mozilla-mplayer plugin? or is there one? |
| 05:46.24 | gravity | octoberdan: http://freshmeat.net/projects/netmage/ is the one that lets you play over the net and specifically mentions your apprentice app |
| 05:46.36 | liable | funnily.. mozilla-mplayer.. |
| 05:46.57 | wolaoye | liable: what's so funny? |
| 05:47.32 | liable | wolaoye: that the package you are looking for, is, um, the package you are looking for :P |
| 05:48.22 | wolaoye | liable: is there a package? |
| 05:48.37 | liable | wolaoye: yes. just apt-cahe search it. |
| 05:48.54 | wolaoye | liable: i have tried, without success. |
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| 05:49.16 | liable | !info mozilla-mplayer sarge |
| 05:49.18 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
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| 05:49.31 | liable | wolaoye: in contrib |
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| 05:50.40 | wolaoye | liable: u r good. but why in contrib? i would have to change my sources.list to include one 'sarge contrib'? |
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| 05:52.15 | wolaoye | there is also a mozplugger. mozilla-mplayer seems more appropriate. |
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| 05:52.35 | liable | wolaoye: yes you need to add contrib, ask dpkg about contrib too. /msg dpkg contrib also mplayer if you are interested. |
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| 05:53.58 | poh | I can see a module load in dmesg and want to make hotplug load before it. How can I find out what is causing the module to load? |
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| 06:01.35 | aurax | does anyone knows about good p2p server that maybe can have web frontend to admin |
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| 06:02.01 | aurax | does anyone knows about good p2p server that maybe can have web frontend to admin |
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| 06:02.11 | Alantop1 | I have |
| 06:02.19 | aurax | ? |
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| 06:03.07 | Alantop1 | I recommend a website ---http://www.chinaz.com |
| 06:03.24 | Alantop1 | you find it . |
| 06:03.46 | Kobylinski | good evening |
| 06:04.22 | Kobylinski | i was hoping a kind soul would help me configure my videocard properly on the debian system!!! |
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| 06:04.56 | Kobylinski | anybody available? |
| 06:05.03 | nite613 | Need some assistance with automating ndiswrapper usage. I've got the lines pre-up and post-down lines in /etc/network, do I need to add an ndiswrapper -i into some startup script, or is -i a one-time thing? |
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| 06:06.24 | Loof | Anyone here know of a working iSCSI target for Linux? |
| 06:08.03 | nefarius | Kobylinski: what video card |
| 06:09.03 | Kobylinski | nefarius, I have an intel express card, and I need to configure the system properly, I only have half a screen to use! |
| 06:09.45 | nefarius | what is it detected as |
| 06:09.54 | Kobylinski | vesa |
| 06:10.05 | Kobylinski | on knoppix is ran smoothly |
| 06:10.06 | nefarius | what about dmesg |
| 06:10.12 | Kobylinski | where do I get that |
| 06:10.19 | nefarius | dmesg |less |
| 06:10.25 | Kobylinski | hold on |
| 06:10.41 | nefarius | page through that and see if there's anything informative about your video card |
| 06:11.02 | nefarius | once you identify what chipset it uses, then google around for what to use |
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| 06:12.39 | nefarius | for example, i had an old box with an nvidia vanta card |
| 06:12.56 | Kobylinski | generic |
| 06:13.02 | nefarius | you can either use the included drivers "nv" which don't support 3d |
| 06:13.09 | Kobylinski | does xfreeconfig work on debian? |
| 06:13.33 | nefarius | you can either use the included drivers "nv" which don't support 3d or recompile the kernel with nvidia's custom drivers that do support 3d |
| 06:14.06 | nefarius | xf86config works, but with debian is easier to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:15.32 | Kobylinski | ok, cant I just change the graphic card? |
| 06:15.58 | Kobylinski | basically a VGA16 is intalled |
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| 06:16.36 | achilles | hey everyone |
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| 06:17.04 | achilles | i am having problems with the gnome splash screen hanging after logging in...any ideas? |
| 06:17.19 | achilles | it won't go away and it has rendered gnome useless |
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| 06:27.45 | poh | The module for ipw2200 seems to load before any of of the rc directories, does that make sense? |
| 06:28.27 | dondelelcaro | poh: if it's loading in the initrd, that's not surprising |
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| 06:29.07 | poh | what if I don't use an initrd? |
| 06:30.00 | JoshTriplett | Is it possible to set pins or apt/preferences in such a way that only one particular package will be fetched from a given source, not all the packages available from that source? |
| 06:30.04 | JoshTriplett | If so, how might I do that? |
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| 06:30.55 | duckdown | Hey all.. I just plugged in my Sony Digital USB camera, and SYSLOG shows it detected and says its loaded just fine, but how do I mount it or whatever now? |
| 06:32.03 | JoshTriplett | duckdown: It may already be mounted on /media/something |
| 06:32.30 | duckdown | nope :( |
| 06:32.32 | duckdown | only cdrom |
| 06:32.39 | liable | duckdown: /msg dpkg usbmount |
| 06:32.59 | duckdown | nothing |
| 06:33.14 | duckdown | no response =[ |
| 06:33.37 | JoshTriplett | !usbmount |
| 06:33.40 | liable | duckdown: try usb_storage |
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| 06:34.12 | duckdown | hmm ok thanks let me check it |
| 06:35.00 | liable | duckdown: does it say its a mass media device? otherwise you may need gphoto2 |
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| 06:44.08 | |Matrix | hey guys. I need help with some networking problems I'm running into. Does anyone know of an appropriate generic linux channel I can find answers in? |
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| 06:46.27 | liable | |Matrix: #linux or you could just ask if you use debian.. |
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| 06:46.41 | |Matrix | nah my problem machine is running something random |
| 06:46.53 | poh | |Matrix: ##linux |
| 06:47.00 | ZeeGeek | I can't change the terminal window title with '-title' or '-name' parameters, how to make the title static? |
| 06:47.46 | tictac | ZeeGeek: what terminal? |
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| 06:48.01 | ZeeGeek | tictac: urxvt |
| 06:48.13 | ZeeGeek | tictac: it's the same in gnome-terminal |
| 06:48.48 | tictac | hmm. dont use either. |
| 06:49.09 | hammerabi | what do you mean? |
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| 06:49.12 | hammerabi | it's changing at runtime? |
| 06:49.27 | tictac | usually, you make permanent changes in .Xdefaults |
| 06:49.34 | tictac | at least, terminal changes and such. |
| 06:49.46 | ZeeGeek | hammerabi: yeah, it's changing at runtime now, but I want to start a certain terminal window with static title |
| 06:49.49 | tictac | aterm*transparent:true etc etc etc |
| 06:50.11 | hammerabi | fix your shell then |
| 06:50.15 | hammerabi | or whatever else is changing it |
| 06:50.36 | tictac | or, change the keybinding/menu file you use to open the terminal |
| 06:51.24 | tictac | for example, .fluxbox/keys contains a line suchas Mod1 A :execCommand aterm -title blah |
| 06:51.45 | tictac | which would be ALT+A == aterm with a title of blah |
| 06:51.55 | ZeeGeek | tictac: yeah, I tried that with the parameter -title, but it doesn't work |
| 06:52.05 | falkon | tictac: woah woah back up. I think you're covering something I wanna know about |
| 06:52.08 | tictac | did you try reading the man page? |
| 06:52.13 | tictac | falkon: whats that? |
| 06:52.28 | ZeeGeek | tictac: the title I set only lasted for no more than 1 second and then fell back to what it was |
| 06:52.39 | hammerabi | seriously, find out what is setting it |
| 06:52.42 | falkon | tictac: is that how to set the options for aterm so when I run aterm it'll automatically be tinted and transparent and whatnot? |
| 06:52.45 | hammerabi | presumably you enabled some shell option for it |
| 06:53.05 | tictac | falkon: i have all that in my .Xdefaults file. lemme post it for you. |
| 06:53.08 | ZeeGeek | aight, I'll check my shell options |
| 06:53.16 | falkon | tictac: you da man! |
| 06:53.42 | falkon | tictac: right now I have XFCE doing it off the panel. If I could make it ALWAYS be like that it'd be great |
| 06:53.53 | falkon | tictac: I'm running X.org if it makes a difference |
| 06:53.59 | tictac | figures, i cant get paste to work with the touchpad. |
| 06:54.41 | falkon | ? use right+left click |
| 06:54.47 | falkon | s'what I do |
| 06:55.55 | tictac | http://pastebin.com/485070 |
| 06:56.23 | tictac | i know how to paste, however i usually do it with my mouse. touchpad isnt working correctly for some reason. ill fix that another time. |
| 06:56.32 | tictac | thats my aterm portion of my .Xdefaults |
| 06:56.34 | falkon | tictac: hey, I got something else weird happening. When I hit the middle button to copy, it copies and pastes |
| 06:56.42 | tictac | xorg/xfree86 doesnt matter. |
| 06:56.55 | nima | unstable gaim SUCKS |
| 06:56.57 | hammerabi | falkon: do you only have two mouse buttons? |
| 06:56.59 | tictac | you dont use the middle button to copy. you just select the text to copy. the middle button is to paste. |
| 06:57.05 | falkon | hammerabi: yes |
| 06:57.11 | tictac | nima: whats wrong with it? |
| 06:57.17 | falkon | tictac: oooooh |
| 06:57.38 | dondelelcaro | if you use irc, there's no real reason to use gaim... use bitlbee instead... |
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| 06:58.04 | nima | tictac, its amazingly buggy, it keeps killing alsa, and dies whenever i mouse over a link |
| 06:58.09 | tictac | woo. still 1.5.1cvs. :) |
| 06:58.23 | tictac | hmm. i dont use alsa and am having no issues with links. |
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| 06:58.58 | tictac | ive seen 2.0 and i dont like it at all. there is no option to turn off warning/idle levels. i hate that crap on my list. |
| 06:59.06 | rredd4 | does n e one know of a ebook for beginner debian users? i want something that i can read offline. |
| 06:59.26 | tictac | rredd4: umm. print the apt-get and dpkg man pages. :) |
| 06:59.36 | falkon | tictac: is there a manual on how to put the aterm commands into .Xdefaults? |
| 06:59.56 | falkon | tictac: I'm trying to change title, tint, fade, and colors |
| 07:00.13 | hammerabi | rredd4: qref.sf.net |
| 07:01.26 | falkon | tictac: found it |
| 07:02.15 | tictac | falkon: did you not read the paste i posted in pastebin? it gave the tint and colors. |
| 07:02.25 | tictac | title is just aterm*title:title |
| 07:02.35 | falkon | yeah, I found the rest in the man page |
| 07:03.14 | rredd4 | hammerabi: Thanks!!! |
| 07:03.22 | liable | rredd4: apt-get install debian-reference-en :) |
| 07:03.32 | hammerabi | or that |
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| 07:04.49 | rredd4 | liable: debian is not on this cpu, yet. I am at my gf's house. debian is on my comp at home, just wanting something to read and learn with.. |
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| 07:05.12 | rredd4 | but i will get it when i get home.. |
| 07:05.14 | rredd4 | ty |
| 07:05.27 | hammerabi | rredd4: newbiedoc.sf.net is handy, too. but I don't know how up-to-date it is. |
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| 07:05.38 | liable | rredd4: you can download it from debian.org too :) |
| 07:05.44 | rredd4 | cool! |
| 07:06.01 | rredd4 | it? |
| 07:06.22 | rredd4 | deb-ref doc.. right.. |
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| 07:08.55 | tictac | bah! vim still has runtime dependencies on sparc. |
| 07:09.00 | tictac | months. |
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| 07:13.02 | rredd4 | can i have debian english on one partition and debian german on another partition. Or is 2 partitions needed? |
| 07:13.33 | liable | !confuse me |
| 07:13.33 | dpkg | Yes, who is our weasel tomorrow, liable? wellies of the monarchy of micronesia with extra cream |
| 07:14.25 | liable | rredd4: say that again? |
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| 07:15.23 | rredd4 | liable: my gf speaks german, i would like to have german debian for her and english for me. |
| 07:16.29 | liable | rredd4: oh, i think you could just switch the lang, but unfortunately i am not multilingual so i dunno exactly. |
| 07:17.11 | liable | surely someone here can explain it though.. |
| 07:18.13 | rredd4 | any one use debian in a multilingual way? |
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| 07:21.42 | rredd4 | liable: to me, i could download english debian and german debian, put each on seperate partitions (i have 80gig hd) and it should work.. I would just select the english or german version in grub.. |
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| 07:23.14 | liable | rredd4: yep, but i dont think you even need to do that, i think you can just say have her home with her german docs and just swith lang and the os talks in .de, but once again i am not sure about this.. |
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| 07:24.07 | rredd4 | i am googling this... |
| 07:24.37 | sda3mon | ummm...i just installed the base debian system and rebooted, selected what packages i wanted...and it brought up some configuration that auto-detected my mouse and made me select refresh rates for my monitor...i put some incorrect refresh rates and now gdmlogin is open but my monitor doesn't support the mode it's in...what config program was it that ran? i dont just want to know how to change what refresh rates to use because i accidentally |
| 07:24.59 | bbrazil | !drxx |
| 07:24.59 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:25.26 | sda3mon | ah i should have known, thank you |
| 07:26.00 | sda3mon | oh and 'nv' is the driver for nvidia cards right? |
| 07:26.24 | bbrazil | thats the free one |
| 07:27.08 | sda3mon | there's a non-free driver? it's better im guessing? where do i get it? |
| 07:27.24 | bbrazil | better is a relative term |
| 07:27.36 | bronaugh | more functional, yes |
| 07:27.39 | bronaugh | more stable, no. |
| 07:27.50 | sda3mon | ah allright, i'll stick with nv then |
| 07:28.02 | takatumi | don't want 3D? |
| 07:28.13 | rredd4 | i have nv, selected medium and size of monitor, auto detected vid card, worked great |
| 07:28.57 | sda3mon | takatumi: huh? |
| 07:29.49 | takatumi | sda3mon: I don't have one, so woundn't know. |
| 07:30.04 | hammerabi | sda3mon: the binary-only, non-free nvidia driver has hardware 3d acceleration. the Free "nv" one does not. |
| 07:30.44 | sda3mon | oh really? ummm...probably won't matter, i do my gaming and whatnot in windows for now |
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| 07:31.19 | TraceGreen | Hello, how can i know what filesystem type of my partitions? espically for ext2 and ext3? |
| 07:32.01 | cheal | I just realized why RAM matters. I always believed 256MB was enough, but now with 768 my desktop is usable the second I quit a UT2004-based game. I can't believe it :) |
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| 07:32.26 | sda3mon | haha nice, i got 512 for now |
| 07:32.45 | sda3mon | UT2004 is awesome |
| 07:32.53 | cheal | TraceGreen: $ fdisk -l; ? |
| 07:33.11 | TraceGreen | cheal, fdisk -l seems can not see ext2 or ext3? |
| 07:33.16 | TraceGreen | cheal, i think |
| 07:33.20 | cheal | usually it takes maybe a minute to get usable again |
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| 07:33.38 | cheal | TraceGreen: oh, doesn't seem very precise indeed |
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| 07:34.10 | Cha1ns4w | ut2k4 is on the market for a long time |
| 07:34.13 | Cha1ns4w | just checking :) |
| 07:34.24 | TraceGreen | cheal, i want to check which filesystem of my partition is, especially ext2 or ext3. |
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| 07:35.33 | JohnLenin | goddammit |
| 07:35.47 | hammerabi | fdisk is of no use |
| 07:35.49 | JohnLenin | the MOMENT AFTER i said steam was working fine through wine, it crashed |
| 07:35.55 | hammerabi | TraceGreen: file -s /dev/whatever |
| 07:36.00 | JohnLenin | and took my whole fscking system with it |
| 07:36.33 | sda3mon | ha that sucks |
| 07:36.47 | JohnLenin | i've just warezed cedega |
| 07:36.51 | JohnLenin | it's working so much better |
| 07:36.57 | hammerabi | which is great, but off-topic |
| 07:37.02 | JohnLenin | yes |
| 07:37.04 | JohnLenin | sorry. |
| 07:37.15 | Guerin | actually |
| 07:37.16 | Guerin | not great |
| 07:37.27 | TraceGreen | hammerabi, thanks. |
| 07:37.33 | Guerin | warezing almost-free software is about as lame as you can get |
| 07:37.49 | JohnLenin | Guerin: i feel justified by the fact that transgaming are a bunch of assholes |
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| 07:38.10 | Guerin | JohnLenin: why? because they release so much of their code as free software? |
| 07:38.13 | cheal | TraceGreen: try # parted /dev/hda print |
| 07:38.36 | JohnLenin | Guerin: they threaten to closed-source large parts of their code if gentoo/debian package it or make it easy to get it from cvs |
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| 07:38.39 | cheal | hum hammerabi's suggestion is cool too |
| 07:38.51 | [wlvs] | hey all# |
| 07:39.20 | Guerin | JohnLenin: ooh, that makes them MUCH more evil than companies who just keep all their source closed right from the start. |
| 07:39.47 | JohnLenin | Guerin: probably does, given that they'd be closing what was formerly open |
| 07:39.54 | hammerabi | haha |
| 07:39.58 | Guerin | JohnLenin: not really. |
| 07:40.06 | JohnLenin | also i haven't had any sleep, so my critical thinking is probably impaired more than usual |
| 07:40.20 | Guerin | JohnLenin: the open code is still open. Only the new code would really be closed. |
| 07:40.52 | JohnLenin | nope. the wine code they used was under a bsd license, so they could close it on a whim. |
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| 07:41.14 | hammerabi | you're still missing Guerin's point |
| 07:41.19 | Guerin | JohnLenin: but it's still open. |
| 07:41.20 | hammerabi | the original code is still available in wine |
| 07:41.26 | hammerabi | as is some of the new code |
| 07:41.31 | Guerin | JohnLenin: because I still have a copy of the original coe which was open. |
| 07:41.48 | JohnLenin | indeed. but they release all of *their* code via cvs under an almost-open license |
| 07:41.55 | JohnLenin | and that's what they threaten to close |
| 07:41.58 | hammerabi | bastards |
| 07:41.58 | prjktdtnt | what is the best kernel to run for an AMD Athlon 64 (single core) |
| 07:42.07 | hammerabi | how dare they relese it under an almost free license |
| 07:42.20 | Guerin | JohnLenin: huh ... an almost-open license? |
| 07:42.28 | Guerin | BSD is a free software license, no almost about it. |
| 07:42.29 | hammerabi | prjktdtnt: a k8 one? |
| 07:42.35 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:42.38 | Guerin | you're just stupid |
| 07:42.41 | hammerabi | Guerin: the winex cvs tree is under the alladin free license |
| 07:42.46 | bronaugh | TransGaming? |
| 07:42.48 | prjktdtnt | hammerabi: unsure |
| 07:42.50 | JohnLenin | bronaugh: yeah |
| 07:42.51 | hammerabi | (which is not free) |
| 07:42.52 | Guerin | oh, I'm talking about wine now |
| 07:42.59 | Guerin | anyway |
| 07:43.01 | hammerabi | prjktdtnt: that wasn't a question, despite the question mark |
| 07:43.02 | prjktdtnt | hammerabi: how would i find out? |
| 07:43.04 | Guerin | I have to go out for NYE |
| 07:43.08 | hammerabi | enjoy! |
| 07:43.24 | bronaugh | JohnLenin: they seem like OK folks. I think that if they got more contributions to CVS they'd be happier with being open. |
| 07:43.36 | JohnLenin | i'm talking about cedega, and transgaming being twats because they keep the source code to it on public display but threaten to close it if gentoo etc try and make it easy to get it |
| 07:43.40 | prjktdtnt | hammerabi: slapps forehead ok just re-read it...thanks |
| 07:43.41 | JohnLenin | that's my beef, that's it |
| 07:43.43 | bronaugh | JohnLenin: I don't know if they've yet integrated my 4000 line patch to get their stuff compiling with gcc4. |
| 07:43.51 | [wlvs] | prjktdtnt: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html is that any help? |
| 07:44.07 | JohnLenin | bronaugh: their product is (as far as i can tell) awesome, i just don't like the way they go about business |
| 07:44.28 | hammerabi | JohnLenin: you'd be happier if they took away any semblence of free source completely? |
| 07:44.42 | bronaugh | JohnLenin: they do the ReWind thing. |
| 07:45.04 | JohnLenin | hammerabi: it'd be slightly less dubious than the whole "look but don't touch" thing they have going on now |
| 07:45.12 | JohnLenin | bronaugh: ReWind? |
| 07:45.24 | hammerabi | JohnLenin: then ignore the existence of the source, and we all win |
| 07:45.25 | bronaugh | JohnLenin: yeah, it's the common code thing between winehq and transgaming wine. |
| 07:45.28 | hammerabi | and this pointless discussion ends |
| 07:45.32 | JohnLenin | ok |
| 07:45.49 | prjktdtnt | [wlvs] : yes thx |
| 07:46.39 | [wlvs] | prjktdtnt: I'm thinking of moving to a 64bit amd processor soon, what do you think of the amd 64's so far |
| 07:47.24 | takatumi | how's the noise and heat? |
| 07:47.36 | prjktdtnt | if you plan on running lot's of BG processes AND kde or gnome make sure you have enough RAM (min 1gb) because I only have 512 and when I hit swap it slows way down...other than that pretty good |
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| 07:48.00 | prjktdtnt | not sure about heat because i cant get sensors to work on the board (board unsupported maybe?) |
| 07:48.00 | [wlvs] | yeah, I was thinking 1 or 2gb |
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| 07:48.15 | prjktdtnt | 512 isnt enough if you run apache, sql, and kde ;) |
| 07:48.25 | [wlvs] | I know all too well |
| 07:48.44 | [wlvs] | I just got 3.5 last night and its running dog slow (256mb ram) |
| 07:48.45 | takatumi | run ion3 |
| 07:48.45 | prjktdtnt | i love it though...even with how much useless crap starts at boot mine still runs fairly well |
| 07:48.49 | [wlvs] | but it looks good |
| 07:48.49 | cheal | I ran the 3 without issues |
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| 07:49.01 | prjktdtnt | 3.4.x on mine |
| 07:49.13 | prjktdtnt | love the AMD64 with a few exceptions |
| 07:49.32 | [wlvs] | 3.5.0 is great, I would advise upgrading |
| 07:49.34 | prjktdtnt | if you need to view Flash you need to run it in a CHROOT 32bit-land |
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| 07:49.53 | prjktdtnt | and as with most linux distros WMV9 isnt available |
| 07:49.55 | [wlvs] | I've given up on flash on linux, it's been so buggy for me |
| 07:50.09 | [wlvs] | I got wmv working yesterday, I will look for the link |
| 07:50.27 | madradrone | when patch is applied the orig.tar.gz of a debian source, is it somehow piped through gzip? the .diff is a .gz |
| 07:50.39 | [wlvs] | http://allyourtech.com/content/articles/28_12_2005_add_windows_media_support_to_your_linux_box.php |
| 07:51.03 | bbrazil | madradrone: yes, zcat blah.diff.gz | patch -p0 should do it |
| 07:51.26 | takatumi | prjktdtnt: do you have acpi going? if yes, cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 07:51.44 | nvz | [wlvs]: flash is in non-free |
| 07:51.47 | madradrone | thanks bbrazil |
| 07:51.47 | hammerabi | madradrone: applying patches at build time is not part of the dpkg source format itself |
| 07:52.10 | hammerabi | madradrone: so each package implements it differently. gzip'd patches will go through gunzip, yes. |
| 07:52.15 | nvz | [wlvs]: the package flashplugin-nonfree will download and install it for you |
| 07:52.18 | [wlvs] | nvz: I got flash, it's just terribly buggy |
| 07:52.18 | prjktdtnt | lemmie see...i dont think i have acpi is working on my board (bios setting possibly...will have to look at next reboot...just upped to sid so i need to reboot anyway) |
| 07:52.36 | nvz | [wlvs]: yeah what else is new :P |
| 07:52.39 | prjktdtnt | nvz: on 32bit deb...not 64 :P |
| 07:52.58 | [wlvs] | nsv: as in buggy beyond all belief its basically unusable |
| 07:53.03 | nvz | prjktdtnt: amd64 is not a supported arch |
| 07:53.05 | [wlvs] | nsv: it works when it wants |
| 07:53.18 | liable | its close enough :) |
| 07:53.22 | prjktdtnt | nvz: according to flash 64 bit isnt supported period |
| 07:54.07 | madradrone | bbrazil: zcat blah.diff.gz | patch -p0 <untarred orig.gz> ? that seems not to work |
| 07:54.17 | nite613 | ARG. Using WPA seems much more complicated than using WEP :( |
| 07:54.42 | bbrazil | madradrone: I forget which directory you have to be in |
| 07:54.44 | madradrone | nite613: normally just a simple stanza in wpasupplicant.conf |
| 07:54.44 | liable | nite613: it isnt really, the config has shitloads of examples.. |
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| 07:55.00 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to w32@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 07:55.38 | liable | hah |
| 07:55.42 | [wlvs] | haha |
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| 07:56.11 | prjktdtnt | lol |
| 07:56.20 | prjktdtnt | !prjktdtnt |
| 07:56.20 | dpkg | methinks prjktdtnt is an idiot |
| 07:56.28 | prjktdtnt | my own addition :D |
| 07:56.34 | [wlvs] | hehe |
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| 07:57.03 | prjktdtnt | will be back in a min or two...need to reboot so that all my new upgrades are applied :D upped to sid now that this compy isnt a server anymore :D |
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| 07:58.25 | DimmuR | Hi I'm trying to install Twinhan VisionPlus 1022A dvb card any1 knows usefull description to install it under debian? |
| 07:59.11 | nite613 | liable: I've got the config that I think should be working. I start wpa_supplicant and it seems to work, but nothing happens. In fact, I don't even see a new daemon running |
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| 08:00.26 | madradrone | nite613: look at whereever its logging to |
| 08:00.26 | liable | nite613: paste the conf to flood. |
| 08:00.43 | RichiH | hmm, sid locales conflicts with base-config and wants to remove it on dist-upgrade.. bdo and package info show nothing about this |
| 08:00.48 | marcelc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.21 | nite613 | madradrone: No log messages to speak of |
| 08:02.04 | liable | nite613: they will be in messages prolly |
| 08:02.08 | liable | messages.log.. |
| 08:02.39 | nite613 | liable: #flood |
| 08:03.09 | nite613 | grep supplicant /var/log/* gives nothing |
| 08:04.07 | liable | nite613: and iwconfig says? |
| 08:04.34 | nite613 | liable: Shows the card. No assoc |
| 08:05.12 | nite613 | hmmm, just noticed that if I change the OPTIONS in /etc/defaults/wpasupplicant to not include the -w then it won't start |
| 08:05.26 | nite613 | gives usage instead, weird |
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| 08:05.42 | liable | nite613: are you running it from init.d? |
| 08:05.46 | nite613 | yeah |
| 08:05.46 | prjktdtnt | oh the wonders of a reboot |
| 08:06.03 | liable | nite613: do it from a term and see if it gives errors |
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| 08:06.14 | Zugschlus | do I need to set a kernel option to use udev? |
| 08:06.40 | bronaugh | no. |
| 08:06.55 | bronaugh | just need to be using 2.6 afaik. |
| 08:07.11 | prjktdtnt | bronaugh: 2.6 needed for what now? |
| 08:07.13 | Zugschlus | <= not using the Debian kernel |
| 08:07.17 | Zugschlus | but vanilla |
| 08:07.19 | [wlvs] | hey hows sid prjktdtnt? |
| 08:07.31 | bronaugh | prjktdtnt: udev |
| 08:07.47 | prjktdtnt | [wlvs] i had actually migrated from sid to sarge and now back to sid since my compy is cleaner now :D |
| 08:07.59 | liable | Zugschlus: vanailla works fine with udev |
| 08:08.03 | nite613 | liable: Aha. May have found a config error: unknown network field 'wep_tx_keyid' |
| 08:08.03 | prjktdtnt | bronaugh: probably but i'm not sure on that one |
| 08:08.05 | [wlvs] | hehe I have a love-hate relationship with Sid |
| 08:08.14 | Zugschlus | liable: yes, but do I need to set a compile-time option? |
| 08:08.35 | [wlvs] | I moved just to try out beagle and I never use it but Sid is cool, nice to be at the bleeding edge |
| 08:08.40 | prjktdtnt | [wlvs] yea it CAN be a pain considering amarok always gave me s**t with sid so i had to comp from source |
| 08:08.54 | prjktdtnt | [wlvs] other than that it treated me fairly well :D |
| 08:09.03 | [wlvs] | prjktdtnt never had shit with amarok, it did just crash though |
| 08:09.16 | liable | Zugschlus: no (i cant remember any option you might need) |
| 08:09.25 | prjktdtnt | [wlvs] exactly...mine did...a lot! so compiled 1.3 from source |
| 08:09.26 | [wlvs] | prjktdtnt the worst thing I hate with sid was a problem witha kernel and getting locked out my system |
| 08:09.38 | prjktdtnt | [wlvs] never had that problem |
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| 08:09.50 | prjktdtnt | in fact after this last reboot it was doing pretty good |
| 08:09.51 | liable | Zugschlus: whats the actuall problem? |
| 08:10.42 | Zugschlus | liable: i don't want to build the kernel twice ;) |
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| 08:11.15 | liable | Zugschlus: ok, so just checking? |
| 08:11.23 | Zugschlus | liable: yes |
| 08:11.25 | sda3mon | im having some trouble getting any sound...xmms won't play anything...and i tried mpg123 and it gives me "No such device" twice...bplay works fine though |
| 08:11.26 | nite613 | liable: #flood. I'm making progress. Now it seems my -D might be wrong? I'm using an ndiswrapper installed broadcom driver |
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| 08:12.18 | liable | nite613: erm, is your defaults file for wpasupp correct? |
| 08:12.19 | valdyn | sda3mon: what 'about mpg123 -o alsa09 some.mp3' ? |
| 08:12.39 | nite613 | liable: Correct? I dunno. It seems correct to me. I'll paste it |
| 08:12.45 | liable | ok |
| 08:13.02 | nite613 | It's just this line: OPTIONS="-i wlan0 -D ndiswrapper -w -dd -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf" |
| 08:13.02 | sda3mon | valdyn: no, same thing..."No such device" |
| 08:13.07 | nite613 | and the ENABLED=1 line |
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| 08:13.30 | valdyn | sda3mon: umm, alsa does not work via device nodes directly |
| 08:13.52 | nite613 | actually, those errors were from when I had no -D in it |
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| 08:14.28 | basix | hi guys. i want to connect to a XP Home machine to remotely administer it. now as it happens XP home doesnt have a terminal service. well it does but only allows "invited" computers to connect... any work arounds? The guy has made an invite and I only have Linux here. No access to a M$ machine :| |
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| 08:14.36 | sda3mon | valdyn: well i did "mpg123 -o alsa09 blah.mp3" and that's what it gave me |
| 08:15.03 | sda3mon | it prints the title, album, etc...then it gives blah.mp3: No such device...twice |
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| 08:15.44 | liable | nite613: and the new ones? |
| 08:15.54 | Zugschlus | basix: that's really a windows question. afaik there are some registry keys which enable the terminal service, or use vnc |
| 08:15.56 | valdyn | sda3mon: cat /proc/asound/devices |
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| 08:16.48 | sda3mon | there is no asound directory in /proc |
| 08:16.51 | nite613 | liable: Well now if I run it from a term I get: ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: No such device and a few ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device then it hangs, probably waiting for an assoc? |
| 08:16.58 | basix | Zugschlus, is there no way to accept the remote invites with the rdesktop client in linux? |
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| 08:17.08 | valdyn | sda3mon: ok, but bplay works.. so try 'mpg123 -o oss some.mp3' |
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| 08:18.06 | sda3mon | valdyn: same thing, dang...i have integrated audio if that means anything...and in windows i have to install a third-party driver, c-media somethin |
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| 08:18.19 | Zugschlus | basix: I don't know |
| 08:18.27 | valdyn | sda3mon: if bplay works you obviously have working sound |
| 08:18.31 | basix | >_< |
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| 08:18.39 | nite613 | liable: Can I use iwconfig directly to supply WPA credentials? Or is wpa_supplicant the only way? |
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| 08:18.44 | valdyn | sda3mon: does it really work though |
| 08:18.46 | Miles_Teg | hi, nvidia driver changes the screen dimension whem toggling resolutions (so the borders surpass the physical area), I tried display size with no use |
| 08:18.47 | valdyn | sda3mon: ? |
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| 08:19.21 | sda3mon | does bplay work? yes perfectly, tried it on a couple wavs in /usr/share/sounds |
| 08:19.45 | valdyn | sda3mon: ls '/dev/dsp*' |
| 08:19.56 | liable | nite613: wpasupp only for g, you can use iwconfig for wep.. |
| 08:20.20 | nite613 | wep worked with no effort at all. I've been at this WPA stuff for nearly two hours |
| 08:20.47 | Miles_Teg | virtual, dpi experiments are of no use too |
| 08:20.55 | sda3mon | valdyn: got /dev/dsp, /dev/dsp1, /dev/dsp2, /dev/dsp3 |
| 08:21.16 | liable | nite613: paste the default options and errors again to flood |
| 08:21.36 | valdyn | sda3mon: try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' ( for all dsp devices you just listed ) |
| 08:22.26 | nite613 | liable: For the moment I'm running from commandline only... pasted thoguh |
| 08:22.38 | liable | nite613: why thw -w? |
| 08:22.50 | sda3mon | valdyn: just did 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp' and it worked...tried the cat too, same of course.../dev/dsp works...for the others, "No such device" |
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| 08:23.03 | nite613 | liable: Was in the example? Same behaviour without it |
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| 08:23.46 | valdyn | sda3mon: now what if you do 'mpg123 -o oss -a /dev/dsp some.mp3' |
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| 08:24.25 | sda3mon | valdyn: same thing, "No such device"...this is nuts |
| 08:24.32 | valdyn | sda3mon: yep |
| 08:24.36 | valdyn | sda3mon: indeed nuts |
| 08:24.48 | valdyn | sda3mon: do you probably have a different mpg123 than me? man it.. |
| 08:25.13 | liable | nite613: ok, is ssid broadcasting on, for the router? |
| 08:25.36 | sda3mon | 'man mpg123' brings up the man page for mpg321 |
| 08:25.48 | valdyn | sda3mon: same as mine |
| 08:26.27 | sda3mon | valdyn: i have version 0.2.10, says 'mpg123 -V' |
| 08:26.52 | valdyn | sda3mon: same |
| 08:27.08 | liable | nite613: i have issues if it isnt. |
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| 08:28.01 | sda3mon | valdyn: welllllll...i guess i give up for now haha...i should probably just buy a nice sound card anyways |
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| 08:28.49 | nite613 | liable: broadcasting is on |
| 08:28.51 | sda3mon | oh but thanks for the help |
| 08:29.06 | nite613 | liable: Thanks for your help so far, but I have to pack it in for the night. I've switched back to WEP for the time being and everything is peachy |
| 08:29.19 | liable | nite613: k, good luck. |
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| 08:29.55 | valdyn | sda3mon: i'd run strace on mpg123 and see what its doing to /dev/dsp |
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| 08:32.14 | sda3mon | valdyn: wow now i may be getting in over my head lol...sorting through this mess anyways |
| 08:32.16 | valdyn | sda3mon: ok, this error has likely nothing to do with your sound driver or card directly but with a different part of your system |
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| 08:32.58 | valdyn | sda3mon: ..which is why you should 'strace -eopen mpg123 some.mp3' and paste the output somewhere |
| 08:34.03 | sda3mon | allright ill paste it in #flood |
| 08:34.10 | valdyn | sda3mon: ok |
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| 08:38.20 | valdyn | sda3mon: you're using a 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 08:38.52 | sda3mon | no, 2.4 |
| 08:39.02 | sda3mon | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 08:39.37 | sda3mon | should i upgrade? i just installed like a couple of hours ago |
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| 08:40.38 | RichiH | sda3mon: normally, you just install with a 2.6 kernel, these days |
| 08:40.38 | valdyn | sda3mon: i'd try using a different kernel yea |
| 08:40.38 | RichiH | that way, you don't have any module loading hassles or so |
| 08:40.56 | valdyn | sda3mon: what richih sais, this error is obscure, but its failing where it should try to open /dev/dsp, your /dev/dsp though is defenitely ok |
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| 08:41.37 | valdyn | sda3mon: maybe try as root first, but the error message doesnt indicate permission issues.. |
| 08:41.50 | RichiH | sda3mon: 2.6 has gotten a complete overhaul in the modules loading section and can, for example, autoload missing modules |
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| 08:43.14 | sda3mon | well i installed sarge via 3 floppies and my cable connection and it comes with 2.4....and i've tried as root...allright how do i upgrade the kernel then? i'd prefer just goin with an initrd...so what command am i lookin at here 'apt-get install initrd-something'? |
| 08:43.37 | valdyn | sda3mon: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick one, apt-get install one |
| 08:43.42 | liable | no 2.6 for floppies.. |
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| 08:44.37 | sda3mon | valdyn: ok will do...and liable: well dang...need to get a cdrw drive sometime |
| 08:45.19 | liable | actually thats an interesting point, guess etch default installer wont be available on floppy? |
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| 08:46.23 | valdyn | sda3mon: duh, can you paste the complete command you used to play back that mp3? |
| 08:46.36 | sda3mon | valdyn: ummm...im on a amd 64-bit sempron...should i get kernel-image-2.6-amd64-generic or kernel-image-amd64-k8? |
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| 08:46.46 | sda3mon | valdyn: huh? |
| 08:46.50 | micahf | hey how can I get rid of the xfce panel? |
| 08:46.54 | micahf | because it's really complicated |
| 08:47.08 | micahf | I want something more simple like gdesklets |
| 08:47.19 | valdyn | sda3mon: paste your 'mpg123 foo' you just tried to play back sound with |
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| 08:47.40 | valdyn | sda3mon: i think semprons arent really 64 bit, so nope, try k7 |
| 08:47.40 | liable | micahf: the panel thing to start apps?? |
| 08:47.47 | micahf | yea |
| 08:48.01 | micahf | I mean, is there a way to directly edit the xfce session |
| 08:48.02 | liable | micahf: complicated? why so? |
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| 08:48.28 | micahf | just because gdesklet launcher is more simple for my grandma and grandpa |
| 08:48.34 | sda3mon | it was just 'mpg123 file.mp3'...and...my sempron is supposed to be a 64-bit :/...ill check the box lol |
| 08:48.35 | liable | micahf: right click, add/remove |
| 08:48.50 | valdyn | sda3mon: no, paste it literally |
| 08:49.05 | hammerabi | random unbordered, unmodifiable windows floating on the background is less confuing than a permanent visible panel? |
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| 08:49.43 | valdyn | sda3mon: or use 'mpg123 *mp3' for playback |
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| 08:50.46 | micahf | hmm |
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| 08:50.51 | micahf | I guess that isn't working |
| 08:50.55 | micahf | I guess I can just leave it |
| 08:51.07 | sda3mon | valdyn: 'mpg123 *.mp3' tries all the songs in that folder and fails miserably on each one...and my sempron box says it's a socket 754 2600+ and it says "AMD64" in the corner |
| 08:51.10 | liable | micahf: whats the problem |
| 08:51.46 | sda3mon | and also the place i bought it from lists it as "AMD Sempron 2600+ 64-bit processor" or something similar |
| 08:51.47 | valdyn | sda3mon: feel free to try, your old kernel will remain available to boot |
| 08:51.55 | sda3mon | valdyn: allrighty |
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| 08:52.44 | v1LiuKas | nu duxai |
| 08:52.45 | v1LiuKas | :D |
| 08:52.47 | v1LiuKas | ka darote ? |
| 08:52.48 | liable | micahf: you should be able to right click the panel and add stuff |
| 08:52.50 | sda3mon | downloading... |
| 08:53.10 | liable | guess that language :) |
| 08:53.31 | micahf | liable, I know, I just wanted to ditch the panel completely and customize everything with gdesklets |
| 08:53.42 | sda3mon | wow updated grub for me, yay...okay im gonna reboot and use the new kernel |
| 08:53.44 | liable | micahf: oh. |
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| 08:55.32 | bunghole | i have a spare laptop i just hooked up and put debian sarge on. my desktop also runs sarge. is there a way i can 'cluster' these two together somehow without having to reinstall with say clusterknoppix. i mean some software packages and configuration i can do to cluster them together. can it be done? |
| 08:55.58 | hammerabi | define cluster |
| 08:56.26 | bunghole | cuz if this works, I can hook up the rest of the 8 machines i have. i read that they don't have to share the exact same hardware |
| 08:56.34 | bunghole | hammerabi, dictionary.com |
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| 08:56.40 | hammerabi | bunghole: don't be stupid |
| 08:56.49 | bunghole | ? |
| 08:56.52 | hammerabi | bunghole: at what level? http clustering? mosix? beowulf? |
| 08:57.00 | hammerabi | clustering means about fifteen different things |
| 08:57.10 | bunghole | well i didn't know that |
| 08:57.12 | hammerabi | obviously you have some specific goal in mind |
| 08:57.16 | bunghole | yes i do |
| 08:57.20 | hammerabi | which is... |
| 08:57.21 | bunghole | bear with me amoment |
| 08:57.24 | sda3mon | valdyn: ok so this kernel works...some applets died when gnome started and appletalk (not that i need it) had some complaints but oh well, now to try the sound |
| 08:58.18 | sda3mon | oh btw, what happened to ogg123? |
| 08:58.27 | hammerabi | nothing, it's in vorbistools |
| 08:58.35 | sda3mon | ah allright |
| 08:59.04 | bunghole | hammerabi, my desktop machine is 866mhz, while my laptop is 1.8ghz. they both run debian sarge and are connected to the net. I would like to pull both of thier computing/processing resources into one, and I don't really know anything about how to do it or if it can be done. I have spend the past 3 hours on google with not much information on it, except to maybe install moxix or cluster knoppix or something |
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| 08:59.26 | hammerabi | mosix, then |
| 08:59.30 | hammerabi | it's probably not worth it, tho |
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| 08:59.35 | bunghole | why not? |
| 08:59.39 | hammerabi | especially if the other machines are slower than the desktop |
| 08:59.47 | bunghole | they are faster |
| 08:59.57 | hammerabi | knock yourself out then |
| 09:00.09 | hammerabi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMosix |
| 09:00.19 | bunghole | thats the thing, laptop's screen is broke, but it works when hooked up to a monitor. |
| 09:00.32 | hammerabi | that doesn't matter |
| 09:00.45 | falkon | bunghole: so fix it. I've replaced laptop screens before |
| 09:00.57 | sda3mon | valdyn: okay well at least the error changed...now im getting "libao - OSS cannot set rate to 44100" and then "Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)"...i have had problems in knoppix (where my sound works btw) with ogg123 crashing when dealing with 44100Hz i think |
| 09:01.04 | bunghole | or how about this, can i do this for instance. have that laptop hooked up, but start an xserver on it, so when i run applications on my desktop, they run on the laptop x server |
| 09:01.18 | hammerabi | yes, that's trivial |
| 09:01.21 | bunghole | falkon, i havnt the money for the spare partrs |
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| 09:01.30 | falkon | bunghole: been there. |
| 09:01.33 | falkon | well |
| 09:01.35 | falkon | am there |
| 09:01.39 | hammerabi | bunghole: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 09:01.48 | bunghole | hammerabi, word, thanks |
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| 09:02.00 | falkon | yay for x tunneling in ssh |
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| 09:05.41 | bunghole | hammerabi, i am somewhat confused. my desktop machine already runs an x server. i want to install say firefox on my laptop. I don't have firefox on my desktop. I want desktop to start and use firefox from laptops xserver but display on desktop xserver. that is what im trying to do. |
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| 09:06.15 | hammerabi | it's way simpler than you're making it |
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| 09:06.21 | hammerabi | firefox is an X client |
| 09:06.24 | hammerabi | it can run anywhere |
| 09:06.31 | hammerabi | the X server runs on the machine in front of you |
| 09:06.38 | bronaugh | ssh -X <host> |
| 09:06.42 | hammerabi | they can be on different machines |
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| 09:06.55 | hammerabi | ssh -X user@hostwhereyouwanttorunfirefox |
| 09:06.58 | hammerabi | then run firefox |
| 09:07.02 | hammerabi | then it pops up in front of you |
| 09:07.03 | bunghole | i see |
| 09:07.03 | sda3mon | ah that's somethin i forgot to get, firefox |
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| 09:08.09 | bunghole | i'll install testing on laptop. that way I can have both the stable desktop, plus any newer software packages on the testing laptop, and run both on my X |
| 09:08.10 | bunghole | word |
| 09:08.16 | bunghole | brb |
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| 09:09.35 | liable | !any ideas |
| 09:09.35 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and a dozen three-legged oxen. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 09:09.57 | GregorR-L | I've got everything but the ground beef. |
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| 09:10.35 | liable | one of dpkg's best cmds IMO :) |
| 09:10.43 | GregorR-L | I like: |
| 09:10.50 | GregorR-L | !gentoosmite liable |
| 09:11.18 | sda3mon | what's the best file sharing program for linux anyways? limewire im guessing? |
| 09:11.31 | liable | heh, i dunno if i *can* go slower than my brain already does.. |
| 09:11.34 | sda3mon | lemme rephrase that, what's a good file sharing program for linux? |
| 09:11.36 | GregorR-L | Hah |
| 09:12.09 | liable | sda3mon: torrents? |
| 09:12.11 | GregorR-L | sda3mon: GiFT (perhaps my caps are off) and friends IMHO, but I never use any :P |
| 09:12.29 | sda3mon | torrents and more is what i was thinking...kinda like shareaza |
| 09:13.16 | sda3mon | and thx GregorR-L, ill look into that, got a URL? |
| 09:13.31 | GregorR-L | sda3mon: http://www.google.com/search?q=gift+file+sharing |
| 09:13.55 | sda3mon | -_- yea i was already doin that, just thought it'd be faster if you knew one |
| 09:14.11 | GregorR-L | Heheh |
| 09:14.15 | GregorR-L | I know, I'm a jackass :) |
| 09:14.29 | sda3mon | lol |
| 09:14.51 | GregorR-L | That would be a good dpkg command: "!homepage for <x>" "http://www.google.com/search?q=<x>" |
| 09:15.34 | sussudio_ | !why is libapt-pkg-libc6 not in testing |
| 09:15.34 | dpkg | libapt-pkg-libc6 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapt-pkg-libc6 |
| 09:15.48 | sda3mon | haha yea |
| 09:15.54 | ViViD | how do i change my hostname/domain name on my system? |
| 09:15.58 | liable | !fgi gift+file+sharing |
| 09:16.02 | GregorR-L | ViViD: `man hostname` |
| 09:16.08 | sussudio_ | !fist etch |
| 09:16.09 | liable | meh |
| 09:16.09 | sda3mon | yea hostname command fool |
| 09:16.19 | GregorR-L | Come on now |
| 09:16.22 | GregorR-L | Be nice |
| 09:16.57 | sda3mon | ah gift.sf.net, shoulda known |
| 09:16.58 | GregorR-L | I wonder how people react when I say: I have 3 Debian chroot trees on this non-Debian system :) |
| 09:17.22 | liable | !fuck GregorR-L |
| 09:17.28 | GregorR-L | Hah |
| 09:17.30 | liable | like that? :) |
| 09:17.40 | GregorR-L | !fuck himself |
| 09:17.45 | GregorR-L | Wow |
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| 09:18.18 | sda3mon | lol neat |
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| 09:21.07 | dutchfish | anyone has succesfully tried latest mysql 5 on Sarge? |
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| 09:26.43 | sda3mon | eh giFToxic is segfaulting, this sucks |
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| 09:27.03 | GregorR-L | reportbug 8-D |
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| 09:27.24 | whothe | folks in #kde seem to be all asleep. in 3.4, is there no means to extract files in konqueror? |
| 09:27.49 | GregorR-L | whothe: ark is KDE's extractor/compressor/etc |
| 09:28.06 | GregorR-L | Should be associated with .tar.gz, etc |
| 09:28.54 | kmit | i need a kernel similarly the original debian kernel for netboot |
| 09:29.04 | whothe | in 3.3, when i right-click on a file, one of the selection is 'Action", within which there are 'extract here', 'extract to' etc. |
| 09:29.25 | kmit | do anybody know which options are set in this original kernel config? |
| 09:29.27 | GregorR-L | You know, those options disappeared for me as well, now that I think about it. |
| 09:29.37 | whothe | haaha |
| 09:29.37 | GregorR-L | kmit: /boot/config* |
| 09:30.13 | whothe | GregorR-L: how to deal with this? |
| 09:30.20 | GregorR-L | whothe: Use ark? :) |
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| 09:30.59 | kmit | no this is not the config which i need, i need the config for the netboot.tar.tar kernel |
| 09:31.05 | whothe | GregorR-L:thro' the command? |
| 09:31.27 | GregorR-L | kmit: Oh, sorry, didn't understand. No clue, sorry :( |
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| 09:32.37 | GregorR-L | whothe: ark ought to be associated ... if you click on the .tar.gz, it should open it in ark? |
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| 09:33.32 | whothe | GregorR-L: it is not happening this way. |
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| 09:33.46 | GregorR-L | It's too late for me to be helpful, whothe :) |
| 09:34.08 | kmit | i want to boot debian over a tftp server and need the options which i need to set in the kernel config |
| 09:34.26 | whothe | GregorR-L: too late in the sense of the hour of the day? |
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| 09:36.38 | GregorR-L | whothe: Yeah :) |
| 09:36.44 | GregorR-L | 1:30AM here |
| 09:37.08 | Malagmyr | skebbadi weba deba de skebee de... |
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| 09:37.56 | Malagmyr | s/slaughters/laughters/ |
| 09:38.01 | Malagmyr | hm.. |
| 09:38.08 | GregorR-L | You can't spell slaughter without laughter! |
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| 09:38.42 | Malagmyr | Which would be my laughter at your pathetic attempt at killing me? |
| 09:38.43 | whothe | GregorR-L: where is 'here'? |
| 09:38.46 | dutchfish | anyone has already tried latest mysql5 on sarge (i have some problems with stored procs and loosing connection from remote clients) |
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| 09:39.12 | rave | hey all, i need some help with strating x on my sys |
| 09:39.24 | Malagmyr | rave, just ask your question. |
| 09:39.56 | rave | my x isn't starting,it says my mouse is n't detected...this happened in my 386 image |
| 09:40.01 | rave | my 686 works just fine |
| 09:40.23 | rave | i've been trying to configure my audio..with no succes so far |
| 09:40.35 | rave | and suddenly this happend when i intalled a driver from intel |
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| 09:41.04 | dutchfish | race, whats in your logs and dmesg? |
| 09:41.15 | dutchfish | rave, * whats in your logs and dmesg? |
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| 09:41.20 | whothe | GregorR-L: u r in the US West Coast? |
| 09:41.30 | rave | logs? |
| 09:41.32 | rave | i'm a newbie .... |
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| 09:41.49 | dutchfish | rave, look in /var/logs |
| 09:41.54 | rave | k |
| 09:42.28 | GregorR-L | whothe: Yeah |
| 09:42.36 | Malagmyr | the mouse device probably just changed names. on my laptop, it seems they can't agree on wherether it's /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mouse or something... I had to change it for every other version. Had to try quite a few before one would support this queer pcmcia slot it has. |
| 09:43.37 | rave | oh so shous i reconfigure xserver? |
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| 09:44.03 | rave | btw the dmesg is a HUGE boot log..is it?...nothin seems wrong there |
| 09:44.38 | whothe | GregorR-L: Portland, Oregon. Home of Tektronix. |
| 09:44.43 | Malagmyr | rave: I think so. Just try a few other likely mouse devices... one of them probably work. |
| 09:44.49 | dutchfish | rave, look into it for detected video etc |
| 09:44.58 | Malagmyr | rave: unless someone more experienced has a better suggestion, of course |
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| 09:45.33 | GregorR-L | whothe: Yup. How'd you figure that out though? |
| 09:45.39 | GregorR-L | whothe: That I'm from Portland, OR that is |
| 09:45.40 | kevix | Malagmyr, I just joined in. what is rave looking for? |
| 09:45.49 | rave | my x is down |
| 09:45.54 | Malagmyr | kevix: he updated his kernel and x can't find his mouse device |
| 09:46.08 | Malagmyr | kevix: afaik... |
| 09:46.09 | liable | hrm, blame udev :) |
| 09:46.22 | rave | actually ...i was installing a audio driver |
| 09:46.29 | rave | this happened in the older kernel |
| 09:46.33 | kevix | liable, that was what I was going to say... |
| 09:46.43 | whothe | GregorR-L: Not that u want to, but no one can hide from the Internet. |
| 09:46.59 | liable | !lose kevix |
| 09:46.59 | dpkg | kevix: You Lose. |
| 09:47.02 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.14 | rave | and i STILL can't get alsa to detect my audio |
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| 09:47.32 | GregorR-L | whothe: Ah yes, the IP address. |
| 09:47.34 | kevix | GregorR-L, your address ends in .or.comcast.net == oregon |
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| 09:47.41 | GregorR-L | I mentioned that I was tired :P |
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| 09:48.21 | dutchfish | rave, does lsmod shows your driver? |
| 09:48.26 | rave | i sec |
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| 09:48.38 | atula | need buy a pair of speakers.... where is a good website for them? |
| 09:48.45 | atula | google is too skeptical |
| 09:48.58 | atula | floor speakers |
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| 09:49.10 | rave | no lsmod doesn't show alsa |
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| 09:49.28 | liable | floorspeaker.com? :) |
| 09:49.35 | whothe | GregorR-L: for the umpteen time. |
| 09:49.37 | dutchfish | rave, lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 09:49.42 | rave | k |
| 09:49.52 | rave | nope |
| 09:49.55 | kevix | atula, I am listening to my music by connecting my audio output to my stereo reciever... no need for NEW speakers. |
| 09:50.11 | dutchfish | rave, i gues your driver isnt loaded |
| 09:50.13 | rave | even alsa-utils complained that there was no snd module while install |
| 09:50.20 | rave | of the intel driver that is |
| 09:50.57 | liable | i got a logitech 3 piece set that is more than enough to annoy the fuck out of my neighbours :) |
| 09:51.05 | atula | kevix: receiver to speakers... you still need speakers somewhere... but.... that doesn't really answer anything.... |
| 09:51.59 | dutchfish | rave, try to load it with modprobe |
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| 09:52.23 | rave | how do i do that? |
| 09:52.36 | rave | my sys says there's no modprobe |
| 09:52.41 | kevix | atula, some folks just get 'computer' speakers. That is what I thought you meant. |
| 09:52.45 | dutchfish | rave, modprobe {drivername} |
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| 09:52.55 | rave | ok its ther |
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| 09:55.00 | liable | atula: logitech z-2300 three piece, in built amp nice subwoofer, small tweeter/satellites, very nice sound for the price (a year old now, sure theres better by now) |
| 09:55.03 | atula | kevix: oh no no haha... I'm speaking about just floor speakers.... karaoke kind of thing hehe |
| 09:55.16 | atula | I have logitech for computer |
| 09:55.30 | atula | just thought someone would have a good reccomendations for a pair of speakers |
| 09:55.58 | dutchfish | rave, on my system i have loaded snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_atiixp,snd_ac97_co as an example |
| 09:56.07 | atula | all I know is computer stuff.... my dad wants to do karaoke (me too!) so need a good pair of loud speakers.... and I have no idea where to turn to |
| 09:56.30 | rave | i can't figure put what driver i shopuld use |
| 09:56.50 | rave | i used a realtek driver fdor win |
| 09:57.26 | liable | atula: the last karaoke i played on, was hooked into a dvd player and computer speakers wouls work fine for that.. |
| 09:57.45 | liable | rave: lspci and google.. |
| 09:57.48 | rave | dicover says this |
| 09:57.50 | rave | Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller |
| 09:58.33 | liable | rave: and what module you using? is it even supported with the kernel you have? |
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| 09:59.49 | rave | i dunno....i never hhad a chance to check that...my x crashed rite after i installed the driver in 386 image |
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| 09:59.56 | rave | i'm now in 686 |
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| 10:00.22 | cahoot | rave: looks like you want snd-hda-intel for that |
| 10:00.35 | rave | k |
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| 10:02.05 | rave | my sys down't have snd-hda-intel ...i gonna look for it ...pls hold on while i google |
| 10:02.41 | ciler | hehe, there are two 23:59 today |
| 10:02.50 | kevix | folks, here is a link to a japanese debian developers page that helps find what modules you need for your hardware. It may help rave: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 10:03.37 | rave | thankx |
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| 10:07.22 | rave | hey it says my audio driver is working |
| 10:07.25 | rave | 80862668YesIntel Corporation82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controllersnd-hda-inte |
| 10:07.34 | rave | the yes id for Working? |
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| 10:08.15 | ciler | intel HD > ac97 ? |
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| 10:08.27 | kevix | rave, if you know what kernel modules you added, make sure to add them to /etc/modules so that when you reboot, sound will work. |
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| 10:09.21 | rave | that's th eproblem i don't even KNOW what modules i need :( |
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| 10:09.51 | kevix | well if you do 'lsmod | grep snd-' that should help |
| 10:09.51 | rave | hey i found out what modules i need |
| 10:10.03 | rave | but they aren't installed |
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| 10:10.34 | rave | maybe i should install the driver PROPERLY |
| 10:10.57 | kevix | rave, you can test things in you open 'alsamixer' |
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| 10:11.13 | rave | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 10:11.32 | rave | i think i screwed up some where real basic |
| 10:11.40 | cahoot | alsamixer won't do any good if you don't havealsa running |
| 10:11.45 | doublehp_ | (10:09:02) deathdellic: theres 6442 in debian and noone is talking |
| 10:12.00 | deathdellic | i corrected with 642 |
| 10:12.02 | rave | yes my alsa isn't running |
| 10:12.04 | dutchfish | kevix, lmsod | grep snd_* |
| 10:12.21 | rave | my boot up says setting up ALSA...done(not loaded) |
| 10:12.26 | deathdellic | keep reading retard |
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| 10:12.57 | Nirga1 | rave: try alsaconf |
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| 10:13.12 | kapil | rave: kernel version? |
| 10:13.16 | veleno | which is the format of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
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| 10:13.23 | rave | aslaconf couldn't detect my driver |
| 10:13.34 | rave | my sound card that is |
| 10:14.07 | kevix | rave, did you try that web site? |
| 10:14.08 | cahoot | veleno: I doubt there is one - try /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 10:14.12 | rave | 2.6.12 i guess |
| 10:14.20 | rave | yes |
| 10:14.29 | rave | it said my sound driver is working |
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| 10:14.39 | kapil | rave: are you running hotplug? |
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| 10:15.02 | rave | hotplug? |
| 10:15.04 | kapil | rave: more to the point is it a PCI card? |
| 10:15.13 | jair | happy new year my good friends. |
| 10:15.21 | kevix | kapil, IIRC a recent update to sid removed hotplug. |
| 10:15.50 | rave | it's inbuilt.... |
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| 10:15.57 | jair | guys I am looking for a link of Munchen Linux user group? |
| 10:16.00 | rave | i guess so |
| 10:16.01 | kapil | kevix: yes. I meant hotplug/udev. something that auto-detects PCI devices. |
| 10:16.11 | jair | Munchen Germany |
| 10:16.18 | jair | where I am right now |
| 10:16.25 | jair | but I am Venezuelan |
| 10:16.25 | kapil | rave: does lspci show your card? |
| 10:16.34 | jair | first time in Deutschland |
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| 10:17.00 | rave | 1 sec |
| 10:17.10 | rave | 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
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| 10:17.40 | liable | if you want to fry your brain /j #freenode-newyears.. |
| 10:17.40 | Nirga1 | rave: If you installed a long time ago, make sure you don't load conflicting old-style modules from places such as /etcmodules. (I ran in that one) Try #alsa maybe too |
| 10:17.54 | rave | no...i just loaded debian yesterday |
| 10:18.03 | kapil | rave: do a 'modprobe snd-intel8x0' and look at the tail end of 'dmesg' |
| 10:18.28 | rave | k |
| 10:19.18 | kevix | jair, http://www.muc-lug.de/index.html |
| 10:19.43 | jair | kevix, are you Deutsch? |
| 10:19.50 | kevix | jair, no. |
| 10:19.57 | ciler | dutch? |
| 10:20.22 | jair | kevix, ohh ok |
| 10:20.29 | kevix | jair, you can view planet.debian.org and look for a german developer to ask for more info. |
| 10:20.33 | rave | oops i just deleted alsa in my /usr/src :(( |
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| 10:20.48 | ciler | ? |
| 10:21.03 | Nihilanth | heh, hi ciler |
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| 10:21.11 | Nihilanth | small network it is. |
| 10:21.14 | ciler | hi |
| 10:21.16 | cahoot | jair: or ask in #debian-de? |
| 10:21.18 | Nihilanth | (as an expression, of course) |
| 10:21.33 | kevix | rave, have you tried 'module-assistant'? |
| 10:21.40 | rave | nope |
| 10:21.48 | jair | I would like to know if is anybody here involved in the project for Munchen liMux ;) |
| 10:21.59 | cahoot | kevix: does it handle in-kernel modules? |
| 10:21.59 | jair | cahoot, I will ask defenetely ;) |
| 10:22.03 | Nihilanth | ok, are the debian kernel sources patched at all? is it possible/reccomended to use the kernel straight from kernel.org ? |
| 10:22.15 | ciler | why not? |
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| 10:22.47 | ciler | more patches = more bugs |
| 10:22.50 | kevix | cahoot, rave, it automates the process of get/making/installing most kernel modules (alsa,nvidia,..) |
| 10:22.55 | Nihilanth | patched/hacked |
| 10:23.02 | rave | k |
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| 10:24.02 | rave | i just deleted my alsa folder in /usr/src by mistake...what do i do now ? |
| 10:24.25 | kevix | Nihilanth, debian provides .deb packages of its modified source and a set of patches that can be used for vanilla kernels |
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| 10:25.00 | rave | hey cas |
| 10:25.04 | Casanova | hey are |
| 10:25.08 | Casanova | hey rave |
| 10:25.19 | ciler | where is these patches come from? |
| 10:25.21 | Nihilanth | kevix: whats the name of the set of patches (in apt) ? |
| 10:25.26 | Casanova | rave> so got the answers you were looking for? |
| 10:25.41 | rave | no ...but ppl here are trying to help me out :) |
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| 10:26.11 | rave | kevix, where do i get 'module-assistant'? |
| 10:26.18 | ciler | if debian's kernel is good than -mm or -ac ? |
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| 10:26.47 | kevix | kernel-patch-debian-2.4.27 - Debian patches to Linux 2.4.27 |
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| 10:26.51 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 10:27.05 | kevix | rave, apt-get install module-assistant |
| 10:27.16 | rave | thankx |
| 10:27.32 | Nihilanth | kevix: the patches can be used for the newer kernels too, right? (2.6.14) |
| 10:27.51 | ciler | ... |
| 10:28.38 | binjajer | Not much of a discussion here, I see |
| 10:28.46 | kapil | Nihilanth: no for that get the patches for 2.6.14 |
| 10:29.09 | ciler | git source +1 |
| 10:29.12 | kevix | Nihilanth, that was just an example. there are: linux-patch-debian-*, linux-source-*,linux-tree-*, linux-image-* |
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| 10:29.45 | Nihilanth | kevix: heh, sorry. i'll check it out and be back in awhile (probably) |
| 10:29.46 | Nihilanth | thanks |
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| 10:33.03 | Nihilanth | i spoke way to soon... |
| 10:34.09 | Nihilanth | is there any huge difference or dependency that the modified debian kernel packages have that the ones from kernel.org dont? |
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| 10:34.41 | GregorR-L | Nihilanth: In my experience there are only bugfixes, nothing big. |
| 10:35.06 | Nihilanth | alright... |
| 10:35.13 | rave | kevix, mod-assistant says /usr/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc4a seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!' |
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| 10:35.46 | encoded | everyone should join #freenode-newyears |
| 10:35.46 | Nihilanth | there arent any kernel packages for 2.6 kernels |
| 10:35.53 | Nihilanth | any new ones * |
| 10:35.54 | Nihilanth | are there? |
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| 10:37.06 | mortal | does anyone else get: "galeon: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: |
| 10:37.16 | mortal | after upgradin to latest sid |
| 10:37.48 | rave | kevix, mod-assis isn't able to install alsa |
| 10:38.14 | DragonDav | U ahve a icecast server installed, what would someone suggest for streaming mp3's on the server. and being able to control them remotly? |
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| 10:38.20 | liable | Nihilanth: linux-image.. |
| 10:38.32 | DragonDav | s/Iahve/I have/ |
| 10:38.36 | kevix | rave, that may have something to do with your deleting alsa as you said. I guess it was expecting to find either no source or a ok one. |
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| 10:38.40 | Nihilanth | liable: the newest i see is 2.6.8 are there any newer ones? |
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| 10:38.58 | liable | Nihilanth: in sarge? no. |
| 10:39.09 | rave | does an alsa installation need kernel source? |
| 10:39.20 | liable | rave: no |
| 10:39.31 | liable | rave: if you got 2.6 its in kernel |
| 10:39.40 | rave | i have 2.6 |
| 10:39.42 | liable | rave: in 2.4 you can get the modules.. |
| 10:39.42 | derek5437 | hello,I am new to pc's.What are some good motherboard brands? |
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| 10:40.09 | rave | but the ./configure for alsa says version.h is missing |
| 10:40.11 | liable | rave: did you google that card to see if its supported? |
| 10:40.13 | kevix | rave, you deleted the alsa dir that came with the kernel? |
| 10:40.17 | rave | yes it is |
| 10:40.21 | rave | yes |
| 10:40.24 | rave | :( |
| 10:40.33 | liable | rave: with what kernel? |
| 10:40.49 | rave | 2.6......686 |
| 10:40.58 | kevix | rave, so you should be able to 'reinstall' the kernel and it should re-write the deleted dir. |
| 10:41.23 | rave | will an i did that |
| 10:41.30 | rave | i already did that |
| 10:41.39 | liable | rave: no, is it supported with the kernel you have? |
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| 10:41.57 | rave | alsa you mean? |
| 10:42.01 | kevix | rave, and when you reinstalled, there was no errors? |
| 10:42.19 | rave | it has just installed alsa-base |
| 10:42.25 | liable | yes, is the card that you have supported by the alsa modules in your kernel? |
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| 10:42.33 | rave | yes it is |
| 10:42.44 | rave | i have an intel 915gav board |
| 10:42.47 | liable | rave: uname -r |
| 10:42.57 | rave | k |
| 10:42.58 | kevix | liable, he seems to have deleted the alsa modules that were in the kernel packages. |
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| 10:43.29 | fred_ | hi.. me again... so back with a working system and wireless card working fine. I am using stable kernel 2.6.8-2-686 and wish to upgrade to unstable lastest kernel. Is there any safe way to do that? I got tricked yesterday with a udev problem. |
| 10:43.33 | rave | liable, this is what uname -r said 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 10:44.25 | rave | liable, my sound driver wan't working even b4 i del them though |
| 10:44.27 | adrakoa | fred_ the last stable kernel is 2.6.14.4 , i think.. |
| 10:44.29 | kevix | fred_, if you want 'sid' kernel, it will need to upgrade udev.... which maybe a problem for stable or testing systems.. |
| 10:45.09 | liable | rave: well that seems to be supported by intel8x0, so try modprobing it |
| 10:45.25 | rave | k |
| 10:45.46 | liable | snd_intel8x0 |
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| 10:46.42 | fred_ | it seems the problem I had yesterday was that I upgraded from stable to unstable before upgrading the kernel as the new kernel removes hotplug and uses udev (if I got it right). I ended up in a cyclic dependency which I could not resolve |
| 10:46.50 | rave | liable, is that snd-intel8x0 |
| 10:46.59 | liable | rave: yes |
| 10:47.06 | rave | if it is it gave me a list of errors |
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| 10:47.19 | rave | its asking for more snd modules |
| 10:47.34 | liable | rave: depmod -a |
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| 10:47.37 | rave | k |
| 10:47.39 | adrakoa | fred_ udev needs a kernel > 2.6.12, you can download from kernel.org |
| 10:47.44 | kevix | fred_, you should have come here first. upgrading from stable to unstable is as you found out never recommended |
| 10:47.47 | fred_ | i' ve been trying to find some kind of info online but didn't find much... and since i did 4 installs (on the same machine in 3 days - yes.. it helps me learning) i wish I could get it right this time |
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| 10:48.19 | kevix | fred_, at least do stable->testing->unstable |
| 10:48.21 | bunghole | how can I have a remote computers sound application connect to my main desktop computers arts/sound server and play sound on the desktop pc's speaker, while the music application/player runs on a remote computer |
| 10:48.26 | doublehp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.28 | rave | liable, nothin came up |
| 10:48.32 | liable | fred_: you wont find much on upgrading to sid, as it is a very dynamic process that changes all the time... |
| 10:48.42 | liable | rave: now modprobe again |
| 10:48.46 | rave | k |
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| 10:49.07 | rave | still the same |
| 10:49.19 | liable | rave: paste the errors |
| 10:49.24 | rave | liable, i think it needs something i don't have |
| 10:49.25 | rave | k |
| 10:49.26 | liable | not here |
| 10:49.30 | fred_ | ok thanks guys.. actually i did make a lot of progress in those last 3 days.. got some help here, but my focus has changed now that the basic stuff are working |
| 10:49.32 | rave | WARNING: Error inserting snd_mpu401_uart (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401-uart.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 10:49.32 | rave | WARNING: Error inserting snd_ac97_codec (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 10:49.32 | rave | WARNING: Error inserting snd_mpu401_uart (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401-uart.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 10:49.32 | rave | WARNING: Error inserting snd_ac97_codec (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 10:49.33 | kevix | fred_, but if you are a first time user, the offical line: only use stable. |
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| 10:50.07 | rave | liable, did u get that? |
| 10:50.18 | liable | rave: um, i said *not* *here*! |
| 10:50.27 | Casanova | rave> paste at http://rafb.net/paste |
| 10:50.31 | rave | liable, sorry :p |
| 10:50.45 | fred_ | well i used to be quite familiar with UNIX and had a few linux periods, but often corporate works pulls you back to windows and less technical things (and memory is never forever) |
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| 10:51.30 | rave | liable, http://rafb.net/paste/results/PqfziJ20.html |
| 10:51.50 | rave | Casanova, thankx for that |
| 10:51.52 | fred_ | so now can i upgrade my kernel first to 2.6.14-2-686 while staying under stable? |
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| 10:52.24 | kevix | fred_, there are backported packges for stable. this is what you want. |
| 10:52.39 | fred_ | what is backported packages? |
| 10:53.08 | kevix | fred_, goto 'http://www.backports.org' |
| 10:53.12 | liable | rave: thats from a compiled alsa? |
| 10:53.17 | rave | no |
| 10:53.28 | rave | liable> i apt-get'ted ot |
| 10:53.29 | bunghole | can a sound deamon, for example 'arts', be accessed remotely? |
| 10:53.36 | fred_ | ok maybe i should explain what i wish and then you can tell me what I should do or where to compromise: basically I would like to use latest version of KDE (for a few apps in it) and firefox eventually |
| 10:53.41 | liable | rave: apt-getted what? |
| 10:53.48 | rave | alsa |
| 10:53.58 | xaiki | bunghole: depends on the sound deamon. |
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| 10:54.08 | liable | rave: alsa what? |
| 10:54.10 | bunghole | xaiki, you know of one that would |
| 10:54.14 | fred_ | oh.. seems like what I need.. ;) |
| 10:54.20 | bunghole | rave, ? |
| 10:54.22 | rave | liable> just alsa |
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| 10:54.29 | bunghole | nm |
| 10:54.32 | liable | rave: um, no.. |
| 10:54.37 | xaiki | alsa can but I thought I remember it's tricky, esd can really easily, arts might be able to |
| 10:54.43 | rave | bunghole> i have trouble setting up me sond driver |
| 10:54.48 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:54.48 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
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| 10:55.00 | xaiki | then you have network orriented sound deamons apt-cache search for them |
| 10:55.23 | rave | liable> it has taken alsa-base |
| 10:55.30 | kevix | fred_, using the 'latest' in debian means unstable/sid but this is like riding a bronco unless you know the terrain and doing mind breakage and possible unsecure apps. |
| 10:55.51 | liable | rave: what exactly have you done? |
| 10:56.10 | kevix | fred_, you can get 'close' by using stable with backports or using testing. |
| 10:56.19 | rave | liable> i first did and apt-get alsa |
| 10:56.25 | bunghole | my desktop pc is 866mhz with 512 ram. i just got a broken screen laptop(works fine w/ ext. monitor) which is 1.8ghz and 512ram. I installed kde on it, and tunneling X though ssh. I want amarok to run on the faster laptop (wireless portable) and when I play a song in amarok on laptop anywhere in the house, i want it to play on the desktop machine speakers, where the desktop machine has the sound deamon running |
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| 10:56.38 | liable | !info alsa sarge |
| 10:56.42 | rave | liable> and when nothin turined up i downloaded a tar from alsa site |
| 10:56.47 | rave | k |
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| 10:57.01 | liable | rave: and did what with it? |
| 10:57.03 | fred_ | where can I find the current package version status for each release? (stable/testing/unstable)? |
| 10:57.04 | bunghole | is that even possible? can you connect remotely to a sound deamon? |
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| 10:57.10 | xaiki | bunghole: *yes* |
| 10:57.18 | xaiki | bunghole: read alsa arts and esd doc |
| 10:57.26 | rave | liable> i untared it and ran ./configure |
| 10:57.30 | xav__ | I've a wrongly encoded file (not consistent). any idea how I can fix it ? |
| 10:57.32 | bunghole | xaiki, damn you ! more reading |
| 10:57.34 | bunghole | :( |
| 10:57.36 | liable | rave: and.. |
| 10:57.44 | xaiki | bunghole: welcome to freesoftware bunghole =) |
| 10:57.59 | rave | liable> i said it needs some file called version.h from the kernel source |
| 10:58.06 | rave | liable> that's it |
| 10:58.10 | xav__ | the "file" command tells me it's in utf8. some special characters are correctly displayed but some others aren't |
| 10:58.12 | liable | rave: ok. |
| 10:58.23 | xav__ | it's a real mess |
| 10:58.25 | bunghole | xaiki, I been on it since 1994, not explicitly, but been using linux/nix for about a decade or more |
| 10:58.46 | liable | rave: paste dmesg to paster |
| 10:58.48 | xaiki | bunghole: so you are used to it by now, or should be at least |
| 10:58.51 | bunghole | i've never really used it personally until about two years ago when I have up windows completely |
| 10:58.54 | rave | k |
| 10:58.59 | rave | liable> okay |
| 10:59.13 | bunghole | xaiki, yes, but i've been up a long time, and i need to run errands tomorrow, i'll probably mess with it tomorrow evening |
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| 10:59.34 | liable | rave: and lsmod while your at it |
| 11:00.09 | ___Alessio___ | salve a tutti |
| 11:00.52 | ___Alessio___ | c'č nessuno? |
| 11:00.55 | rave | liable> http://rafb.net/paste/results/NJYfAJ79.html |
| 11:01.09 | fred_ | found it.... didn't seem to see it for backport though |
| 11:02.07 | rave | liable> http://rafb.net/paste/results/yfNXjR19.html |
| 11:02.17 | takatumi | fred_: how's the orinoco going? |
| 11:02.23 | fred_ | hey hi! |
| 11:02.28 | fred_ | I'm using it now.. |
| 11:02.41 | takatumi | in 2.4? |
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| 11:03.17 | fred_ | i found out (though I thought I read I couldn't) I could start the install from the minimum CD and download the rest using the wireless card. I did as advised and used linux26 |
| 11:03.22 | fred_ | no 2.6 |
| 11:03.40 | fred_ | works straight from the start and no issue at all |
| 11:03.57 | takatumi | fred_: good, try hostap as well, I got better performance with it. |
| 11:04.41 | fred_ | oh.... well it's mainly for web browsing... i'm a bit scared to screw up my system now |
| 11:05.11 | takatumi | fred_: don't fiddle if it's working fine. ;) |
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| 11:05.19 | fred_ | actually I am back for recommendation (liable is helping me...) on how to " safely" upgrade to unstable |
| 11:05.42 | liable | rave: re-install the kernel.. |
| 11:05.57 | rave | k |
| 11:05.57 | fred_ | seems testing might be better for me |
| 11:06.07 | rave | liable> using apt-get again? |
| 11:06.17 | liable | fred_: there is no, "safely upgrading to unstable".. |
| 11:06.26 | liable | rave: apt-get reinstall .. |
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| 11:06.44 | fred_ | hehe.. well i did it the first day and it went fine... but still couldn't get the wireless card working |
| 11:06.44 | rave | liable> hot it |
| 11:06.48 | rave | liable> got it |
| 11:06.55 | liable | fred_: and testing is prolly more broken than unstable atm. :( |
| 11:07.05 | fred_ | then once i got the card working on stable i couldn't upgrade 'safely' |
| 11:07.12 | fred_ | oh |
| 11:07.36 | liable | well, it was a short time ago anyway.. |
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| 11:08.07 | liable | fred_: if it works with sarge why upgrade to unstable? |
| 11:08.15 | kevix | fred_, stable was release this year. what kde app did you need? |
| 11:08.36 | fred_ | i would like to use more recent version of KDE, Firefox mainly |
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| 11:08.51 | takatumi | liable: the last time I saw him, he was on unstable with a 2.4 kernel trying to get the wifi card to work. ;) |
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| 11:09.25 | liable | takatumi: heh, at least he's persistent :) |
| 11:09.32 | fred_ | well the whole thing is quite fun actually.. i enjoy it and have not much else to do right now... |
| 11:09.46 | fred_ | thanks! I take it as a compliment ;-) |
| 11:09.51 | kevix | fred_, firefox IIRC was updated for stable. as for KDE, I'd recommend to stay put and try the stable version for a month. |
| 11:09.53 | takatumi | fred_: getting there is the best part, enjoy. :) |
| 11:10.16 | liable | fred_: firefox doesnt have anything to do with kde, but sure, if you want to play, then go ahead. :) |
| 11:10.31 | fred_ | yes i had that question in mind.. how long does it approx. takes for a package to go from unstable to stable? |
| 11:10.45 | takatumi | fred_: they don't. |
| 11:10.56 | kevix | fred_, somefolks use 'konstruct' to build kde... not I do. |
| 11:10.59 | fred_ | well when i use apt-get i only get 1.04 i think... not 1.5 |
| 11:11.21 | fred_ | they dont? |
| 11:11.28 | liable | fred_: stable is fixed ie, no upgrades. (firefox has actually been sorta backported due to security issues..) |
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| 11:11.59 | kevix | fred_, all regular packages enter unstable, then migrate to testing and then ever 1 yr or so, the whole shebang is released as stable. |
| 11:12.01 | fred_ | but stable moves somehow no? |
| 11:12.04 | liable | stable firefox actually is 1.5 iirc (just doesnt say so) |
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| 11:12.15 | fred_ | oh i get it.. thanks. |
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| 11:12.28 | kevix | fred_, stable gets ONLY security fixes, more or less. |
| 11:12.30 | fred_ | iirc? |
| 11:12.32 | X2 | hi |
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| 11:12.42 | kevix | IIRC - if I recall correctly |
| 11:12.52 | fred_ | oh... |
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| 11:13.44 | kevix | fred_, if you want to expand you mind check out my diagram -- its crazy--- http://debian.home.pipeline.com |
| 11:14.35 | takatumi | kevix: hey, nice one dude, saw that a few times during inception on d-u I think. |
| 11:14.51 | fred_ | ok i will thanks. |
| 11:15.06 | kevix | takatumi, thanks! sometime next year I hope to clean it up a bit. |
| 11:15.14 | fred_ | well i am installing now and it is 1.0.4-2 |
| 11:15.31 | kevix | åĪåŊĄį―Š |
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| 11:15.36 | fred_ | but actually i found out i can just download off the site and run it.. it works |
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| 11:15.51 | takatumi | kevix: did you invite sushi with that? |
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| 11:16.28 | rave | liable> i finished reinstalling |
| 11:16.38 | liable | kevix: that cake looks positively evil! :) |
| 11:16.40 | kevix | i was attempting to type your name... what ever it means. |
| 11:16.42 | adrakoa | cantona sscanf |
| 11:16.46 | liable | rave: any joy? |
| 11:16.49 | xav__ | can someone help me about encoding and charset ? |
| 11:16.54 | kevix | liable, well everyone lived! |
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| 11:16.59 | rave | liable> nope |
| 11:17.05 | takatumi | kevix: whose? mine? |
| 11:17.08 | liable | rave: same errors? |
| 11:17.15 | kevix | takatumi, yes. |
| 11:17.18 | ciler | xav__, the evil can help you |
| 11:17.28 | takatumi | kevix: oh, that's what it looks like. |
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| 11:17.31 | kevix | xav__, dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 11:17.46 | xav__ | please, I'm confused. I'm spending hours on it and I still don't understand |
| 11:17.47 | rave | liable> there were no erros during boot ...only that there's no sound should i try installing alsa now? |
| 11:17.59 | xav__ | I've a broken database and I want to fix it |
| 11:18.05 | liable | rave: wahts lsmod say and also dmesg? |
| 11:18.09 | takatumi | xav__: unstable? |
| 11:18.28 | liable | rave: you dont "install" alsa.. you just run alsaconf.. |
| 11:18.31 | xav__ | yes my database is unstable :) |
| 11:18.32 | rave | k |
| 11:18.36 | harleyg | with btlaunchmanycurses how do i make it scroll faster, as i pressed a button and now its reaallllyyy scrolling slow |
| 11:18.40 | kevix | xav__, what database? mysql, dpkg ? |
| 11:18.41 | takatumi | 11:00:43 RichiH | hmm, sid locales conflicts with base-config and wants to remove it on dist-upgrade.. |
| 11:18.46 | takatumi | xav__: ^^ |
| 11:18.48 | xav__ | kevix: mysql |
| 11:19.15 | rave | liable> still the same prob |
| 11:19.18 | takatumi | ignore it if I'm confused. |
| 11:19.41 | fred_ | so in my position u would just use stable and forget about latest releases of software? |
| 11:20.07 | xav__ | it isnt a problem with locales |
| 11:20.19 | liable | rave: ok, sec |
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| 11:20.27 | rave | liable> okay |
| 11:20.32 | kevix | fred_, if you use stable for say a month, you get used to using debian: how it works, its tools,... |
| 11:20.41 | xav__ | it's a sql dump file I've, but the characters don't use all the same encoding |
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| 11:20.57 | xav__ | I see things like ÃÅ |
| 11:20.59 | Nirga1 | takatumi: I did an apt-get upgrade on sid (1 packages kept back): no problem with that |
| 11:21.04 | fred_ | i see... |
| 11:21.34 | kevix | xav__, so you need to determine what locale each entry is and then convert them to utf-8? |
| 11:21.41 | xav__ | yes |
| 11:21.42 | takatumi | Nirga1: ok, haven't up'd in a week. ;) |
| 11:22.25 | fred_ | ok so now since i have nothing to do for the next 2 weeks (learned quite a lot by doing so many installs in such a shot time ;-)). to go to unstable now i have to go testing first... make sure all is ok and the unstable? |
| 11:22.39 | programm | Hello. I would create an archive with the command : tar cf test ; but i get : the file is empty, why?? Is not empty! |
| 11:22.56 | fred_ | i am a bit confused between debian stable/testing/unstable and kernel versions |
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| 11:23.00 | xav__ | there is a really weird thing. It seems like ÃÅ is an utf8 character seen in iso (based on a test in a web browser), but I thought the sql dump file was in utf8 |
| 11:23.03 | liable | man p.d.o is slow tonight.. |
| 11:23.16 | xav__ | file dump.sql tells me it's in utf8 |
| 11:23.28 | xav__ | so vim should see it in utf8 too, right? |
| 11:23.37 | liable | rave: i reckon try a new kernel, gimme a sec and i'll give you a rul |
| 11:23.49 | rave | liable> no problem take your time |
| 11:24.15 | fred_ | can i run kernel 2.6.14 under stable for exemple? |
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| 11:24.28 | liable | rave: wget ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp_2.6.12-10_i386.deb |
| 11:24.40 | rave | liable> Got it |
| 11:24.40 | liable | rave: errr, no/.. |
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| 11:24.45 | rave | liable> ? |
| 11:24.54 | kevix | fred_, all untesting software enters unstable(bugfixes). if the bugfix is ok, it goes into testing (about 10 days), if all of testing is ok, it is released as stable (about every 18 months) |
| 11:24.59 | liable | rave: sorry, imissed the smp :) |
| 11:25.01 | valdyn | fred_: yes you can, you just cant use linux-image packages from sid |
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| 11:25.10 | rave | liable:- it okay ;) |
| 11:25.14 | programm | anyone, please... |
| 11:25.34 | programm | I would create an archive. |
| 11:25.38 | liable | rave: wget ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686_2.6.12-10_i386.deb |
| 11:25.48 | rave | liable:- ok |
| 11:25.50 | fred_ | so testing should be more stable than unstable then? u seems to say otherwise... |
| 11:26.04 | takatumi | fred_: not necessarily. |
| 11:26.07 | valdyn | programm: and what do you want to archive? |
| 11:26.13 | Nirga1 | programm: rtfm, tar cf archive.tar file1 file2 ... |
| 11:26.21 | rave | liable:- This cud take some thime :( |
| 11:26.22 | kevix | fred_, you can use testing or unstable kernel but you need the packages that are required for the kernel (eg. unstable kernel needs udev and other newer tools) |
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| 11:26.26 | xav__ | help |
| 11:26.31 | liable | rave: dial-up? |
| 11:26.34 | programm | Nirga1, ok, thx |
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| 11:26.42 | rave | liable:- and half my download limit |
| 11:26.47 | rave | liable:- no dsl |
| 11:26.55 | rave | liable:- but it's still slow |
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| 11:26.59 | liable | rave: damn, that sucks ass :( |
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| 11:27.23 | kevix | fred_, yes and no. its more tested software but software is being added and removed from there from time to time. |
| 11:27.26 | rave | liable:- yeah, tell me about it :(( |
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| 11:27.39 | liable | rave: you can always download it from another machine and install it later.. |
| 11:27.44 | rave | liable:- Okay, the speedds pikin up |
| 11:27.53 | rave | liable:- btw where u from? |
| 11:27.53 | fred_ | oh the udev thing: my problem was that i upgraded to unstable from kernel 2.6.8.. so it tried to install udev but then failed since i didn't have the right kernel... and then i was here asking and the whole thing died on me.. so i thought i'd be reinstall |
| 11:28.03 | liable | rave: if you dont want to burn your limit.. |
| 11:28.23 | rave | liable:- no probs. man, i'll have to fix it anyway :) |
| 11:28.28 | ciler | fred_, hehe |
| 11:28.29 | liable | fred_: try and remove udev first and see how you go then.. |
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| 11:28.40 | rave | liable:- where u from? |
| 11:28.51 | takatumi | fred_: that was a ram disk error possibly linked to yaird, iirc. |
| 11:28.59 | liable | udev has been a bit of a pain in the ass lately.. |
| 11:29.03 | liable | rave: .au |
| 11:29.17 | rave | liable:- me from .in |
| 11:29.29 | fred_ | well i thought it would be faster to try to reinstall and resolve by myself than asking everybody else all the time.I feel I have been here almost more than the people helping the last 3 days |
| 11:29.47 | fred_ | yes.. i had that yaird thing refusing to install also |
| 11:29.52 | liable | rave: wheres that? |
| 11:29.59 | rave | liable:- India |
| 11:30.16 | liable | rave: oh, should have guessed.. :) |
| 11:30.25 | takatumi | rave: where in .in? |
| 11:30.27 | fred_ | and I died just after asking the question... so i got pissed and reinstalled.. |
| 11:30.33 | rave | liable:- it's ok, the domain is relatively new |
| 11:30.34 | zumbi | !udev or hotplug |
| 11:30.40 | rave | liable:- it from Chennai...u? |
| 11:31.05 | liable | ?? you mean takatumi ?? |
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| 11:32.15 | fred_ | well guys thanks a lot. I will try going to testing... will upgrade kernel first and then testing... so maybe see u soon again |
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| 11:32.34 | takatumi | fred_: upgrade kernel to what? |
| 11:32.42 | fred_ | and happy new year.... it's 7:30pm here... i should get ready |
| 11:32.53 | fred_ | from 2.6.8 to 2.6.14-2 |
| 11:32.57 | liable | fred_: where are you? |
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| 11:33.02 | fred_ | i live in China |
| 11:33.03 | takatumi | on stable? |
| 11:33.05 | fred_ | Beijing |
| 11:33.09 | fred_ | yes |
| 11:33.13 | fred_ | on stable |
| 11:33.15 | takatumi | why? |
| 11:33.21 | liable | hah, fred is a very chinese name :) |
| 11:33.25 | fred_ | haha |
| 11:33.32 | fred_ | I am French |
| 11:33.38 | Denn | Is there a VPN Shell Client for Debian. Just a small app that can make a vpn connection and mount a given direcotry? |
| 11:33.40 | fred_ | i also have a Chinese name though |
| 11:33.43 | liable | haha, thats just as bad :) |
| 11:33.56 | rave | liable:- Never judge a book by its cover :p |
| 11:34.06 | fred_ | why? well because when i went to unstable i got into trouble because udev wouldn't work with 2.6 |
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| 11:34.18 | fred_ | so now i try to anticipate that one problem |
| 11:34.26 | bizkit | when i specify the input interface (-i) on iptables, may i specify an alias there? e.g. -i eth0 and another time -o eth0:1 ? |
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| 11:34.42 | fred_ | I shouldnt? |
| 11:34.49 | takatumi | fred_: you had a problem because you were on 2.4 going to 2.6, iirc. |
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| 11:35.00 | liable | rave: i dont, but its hard not to laugh when a frenchman in china has a nick of fred :) |
| 11:35.11 | rave | liable:- Yeah |
| 11:35.16 | fred_ | oh.. but yesterday i was 2.6 |
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| 11:35.21 | rave | liable:- i was jus kidding :) |
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| 11:35.45 | fred_ | i installed from CD using linux26 command.. then the card worked fine straight from beginning |
| 11:35.46 | rave | liable:- ok...downloads done, now i dpkg -i it? |
| 11:35.52 | liable | rave: yep |
| 11:35.58 | rave | liable:- okay |
| 11:36.01 | fred_ | 2.6.8 to be precise |
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| 11:36.33 | fred_ | so upgrading kernel shouldn't be a problem under stable right? |
| 11:36.44 | rave | liable:- it's done, i reboot ? |
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| 11:37.18 | liable | fred_: you can upgrade from sarge but not 2.6.14, i think it will puke on dependancies.. |
| 11:37.22 | liable | rave: yep |
| 11:37.26 | rave | liable:- oka |
| 11:37.37 | fred_ | oh... |
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| 11:38.00 | fred_ | so then i should do stable -> testing and then upgrade kernel under testing? |
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| 11:38.38 | adrakoa | fred_ if you go to www.kernel.org, you can download the last one stable kernel, and after compile, upgrade |
| 11:38.55 | rod | hi |
| 11:38.57 | fred_ | no apt-get? |
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| 11:39.42 | fred_ | well thanks adrakoa. actually it would be a good exercise. thanks for the stimulation and not letting me do it the easy way ;-) |
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| 11:40.21 | liable | actually compiling a kernel *is* the easy way to get around the yaird borkedness.. :) |
| 11:40.41 | adrakoa | fred_ the easy way is talk, the hard way is read, i think |
| 11:41.00 | fred_ | what do u mean? |
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| 11:42.07 | fred_ | latest stable is 2.6.14... should I still try it? |
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| 11:43.30 | rave | liable:- YES! it seems to have installed properly |
| 11:43.54 | rave | liable:- still no sound |
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| 11:44.11 | aaasi | Hei Everybody, I installed the skolelinux and I am using wireless network adabter Asus wl-167g. Is it possible to use that usb-device with linux? |
| 11:44.20 | liable | rave: dmesg |
| 11:44.32 | Shadowcat | aaasi: that is not debian |
| 11:44.33 | rave | liable:- ok |
| 11:44.38 | fred_ | well off i go... thanks everyone |
| 11:44.40 | fred_ | 88 |
| 11:44.47 | Shadowcat | !skolelinux |
| 11:44.47 | dpkg | i heard skolelinux is at http://www.skolelinux.no/, or a derivative of debian for Norwegian schools, supposedly easier to install. We are developing a Linux distribution for schools. Our aim is to make it simple to install and maintain. Furthermore, to be of real use from primary school on up, it should be available in as many local languages as possible. |
| 11:45.00 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 11:45.07 | Shadowcat | !factinfo skolelinux |
| 11:45.07 | dpkg | skolelinux -- last modified at Tue Sep 16 11:17:48 2003 by ircdevil!~maasha@mbi-soelv113.molbio.ku.dk; it has been requested 11 times, last by ke6isf at Sun Sep 18 17:31:39 2005. |
| 11:45.15 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 11:45.52 | Shadowcat | !no skolelinux is <reply> http://www.skolelinux.no/ | A derivative of debian for Norwegian schools, supposedly easier to install. | Not supported here. | Ask me about <based on debian> |
| 11:45.52 | dpkg | okay, Shadowcat |
| 11:47.07 | rave | liable:- http://pastebin.ca/35371 |
| 11:47.47 | aaasi | I am just a beginner in linux and the skolelinux was very easy to install but linux without internet is bad idea ;-) |
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| 11:48.25 | Shadowcat | aaasi: Skolelinux is not supported here |
| 11:48.32 | aaasi | Ok |
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| 11:50.26 | liable | rave: does lsmod show it? i cant see anything in dmesg for your card. |
| 11:50.47 | rave | liable:- 1 sed |
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| 11:52.05 | Miles_Teg | hi, I'm with a issue over the nvidia drivers and resolution toggling. The display is keeping in the default (the bigger) and so rhe others are spanning beyond the physical screen |
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| 11:52.18 | rave | liable:- what driver do i search fro....or should i paste it? |
| 11:52.30 | liable | rave: snd-intel8x0 |
| 11:52.35 | mortal | imho people shouldn't support nvidia crap |
| 11:52.39 | rave | liable:- ok |
| 11:52.49 | Miles_Teg | anyone have the solution or workaround of this issue? |
| 11:52.55 | rave | liable:- no snd there? |
| 11:52.57 | solomonn | mortal: it doesn't matter what driver he's using, that happens by default |
| 11:52.58 | rave | liable:- no snd there |
| 11:53.03 | Miles_Teg | have anyone, sorry for may bad english |
| 11:53.09 | solomonn | mortal: i'm curious if anybody knows how to change the behavior though :) |
| 11:53.27 | liable | rave: modprobe it if its not there, then paste dmesg again. |
| 11:53.36 | rave | liable:- okay |
| 11:53.54 | Miles_Teg | is not this way, the native nv drivers works well |
| 11:54.04 | Miles_Teg | this occurs in the nvidia drivers |
| 11:54.15 | solomonn | Miles_Teg: the desktop size changes with the resolution when you switch it using nv? |
| 11:54.23 | Miles_Teg | and at least I have a driver than work on linux |
| 11:54.24 | mortal | ViewPort iirc |
| 11:54.29 | mortal | Miles_Teg: it's not free |
| 11:54.33 | mortal | ==crap |
| 11:54.48 | Miles_Teg | yes |
| 11:54.55 | Nirgal | ==boring updates too |
| 11:55.31 | solomonn | mortal: the state of linux gpu drivers is sad, you can't use many cards without non-free drivers, and it seems like all cards made in the last 2 years don't work well with any driver in linux, free or non-free |
| 11:55.46 | Miles_Teg | mortal, I had a radeon ATI, poor, poor driver design on linux |
| 11:55.48 | mortal | that's the reason to use old ati cards |
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| 11:56.00 | solomonn | mortal: i have a 9250, sucks |
| 11:56.00 | mortal | they perform quite well |
| 11:56.12 | Miles_Teg | oh, with no fglrx I guess |
| 11:56.25 | solomonn | mortal: though if you have any alternative suggestions i will probably take them if they're cheap :) |
| 11:56.45 | mortal | well, don't buy any hardware which doesn't have free drivers |
| 11:56.50 | mortal | it is a long term suggestion |
| 11:56.54 | solomonn | mortal: my 9250 has free drivers, and it sucks |
| 11:56.56 | rave | liable:- mdprobe gave me nothin |
| 11:57.00 | rave | liable:- http://pastebin.ca/35372 |
| 11:57.04 | mortal | solomonn: my 8500 has too and they rule |
| 11:57.04 | Miles_Teg | for what matters I'm not searching sugestions on video cards, mortal |
| 11:57.12 | Miles_Teg | wich? |
| 11:57.15 | solomonn | mortal: then perhaps i'll buy one :-) |
| 11:57.59 | liable | rave: that paste was after modprobe? |
| 11:58.06 | solomonn | mortal: would you happen to have a guess at what sort of nvidia card an 8500 would be equivalent to in performance? just as a measure |
| 11:58.08 | Nirgal | A friend gave me a scanner that used to work on windows 2000, but that is not supported anymore on windows :) Please encorage people to buy non-free hardware and to give it after a while (preferably to me;) |
| 11:58.15 | liable | rave: does lsmod shpw it loaded now? |
| 11:58.35 | rave | liable:- i'l check |
| 11:58.39 | Miles_Teg | it's not so a terrfic problem anyway, mortal, just play windowed and its allright...but I don't like having a problem I can't solve :) |
| 11:58.41 | solomonn | hm, pw doesn't seem to have 128M 8500's, that's too bad |
| 11:58.47 | rave | liable:- the paste was after mod probe |
| 11:58.48 | solomonn | but i might buy a 64M, they're only 32 anyway |
| 11:59.01 | solomonn | $32 that is |
| 11:59.13 | liable | rave: well, thats good, no errors.. |
| 11:59.35 | rave | liable:- lsmod now shows it loaded :0 |
| 11:59.49 | rave | liable:- you want the paste? |
| 11:59.54 | Nirgal | rave goodluck with alsaconf :) |
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| 12:00.34 | rave | Nirgal:- liable and I have been struggling wid it for hours now :( |
| 12:00.42 | Nirgal | i saw |
| 12:00.50 | liable | rave: nah, try running alsaconf and see what gives. |
| 12:00.58 | Miles_Teg | well, seems noone have a solution for this issue, google is not of great help too, excpet for an bugzilla enter in xorg forum |
| 12:00.58 | rave | liable:- okey dokey |
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| 12:01.56 | rave | liable:- the same thing "Ok, Have a lot of fun!" :) |
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| 12:02.29 | liable | rave: try alsamixer, make sure levels are ok, then alsactl store |
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| 12:02.51 | rave | liable:- alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 12:03.39 | rave | liable:- I try alsactl store? |
| 12:03.50 | liable | rave: meh. cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 12:04.04 | rave | liable:- okay |
| 12:04.27 | rave | liable:- nothing |
| 12:04.34 | Nirgal | rave, liable: Running udev? |
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| 12:04.45 | rave | Nirgal:- Nope |
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| 12:05.45 | liable | rave: no error, and it still ran? you had to ^c it? |
| 12:06.28 | rave | liable:- you mean copy it ? Yes i copy pasted it and nothin |
| 12:07.15 | Nirgal | rave: you tried as root (otherwise needs audio group adding, just checking...) |
| 12:07.18 | Nirgal | ? |
| 12:07.27 | liable | good point.. |
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| 12:08.12 | rave | liable Nirgal :- sorry about that |
| 12:08.12 | Nirgal | rave: you tried as root ? (otherwise needs audio group adding, just checking...) |
| 12:08.33 | rave | Nirgal:- I tried as root |
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| 12:09.41 | Miles_Teg | rave, what's your soundcard? |
| 12:09.53 | liable | rave: and alsaconf was happy eh? ] |
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| 12:10.01 | rave | liable:- yes |
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| 12:10.20 | rave | Miles_Teg:- it a intel 915gav chipset and the sound card inbuilt |
| 12:11.26 | liable | rave: and the cat /vmlinuz bit did nothing? is the sound up? |
| 12:11.46 | rave | liable:- nothin but wait a sec i think i found something woith alsaconf |
| 12:11.59 | rave | liable:- look at this Setting default volumes... |
| 12:11.59 | rave | Saving the mixer setup used for this in /etc/asound.state. |
| 12:11.59 | rave | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
| 12:12.02 | Miles_Teg | maybe this card are being emulated with the intel 8x0 modules |
| 12:12.15 | Miles_Teg | is this so? |
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| 12:12.46 | Miles_Teg | lsmod returns wich module for it? |
| 12:13.33 | rave | Miles_Teg:- http://pastebin.ca/35376 |
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| 12:14.40 | Miles_Teg | yes, emulated with 810.. |
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| 12:14.56 | rave | Miles_Teg:- So? what do we do? |
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| 12:15.02 | cowboy__ | PROXY HTTP 82.228.51.138 : 8080 |
| 12:15.05 | Miles_Teg | a second please |
| 12:15.13 | rave | liable:- Your vies on this? |
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| 12:15.18 | liable | cowboy__: go away? |
| 12:15.30 | cowboy__ | yes* |
| 12:15.38 | Miles_Teg | is alsamixer working for you? rave |
| 12:15.49 | cowboy__ | PROXY HTTP 82.228.51.138 : 8080 |
| 12:15.55 | rave | Miles_Teg:- Nope |
| 12:16.12 | DevilChaos | does anyone know what rainbow book 12 is its missing from the archive?maybe a silly question |
| 12:16.25 | Miles_Teg | alsaconf recognizes it? |
| 12:16.32 | rave | Miles_Teg:- ist says alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 12:16.45 | rave | Miles_Teg:- alsaaconf recognises it |
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| 12:17.12 | cowboy__ | PROXY HTTP 82.228.51.138 : 8080 |
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| 12:17.24 | sberla | ciao |
| 12:17.24 | sberla | gente |
| 12:17.45 | SerajewelKS | when exim forwards mail to my smarthost, why would it be sending "EHLO localhost.localdomain" instead of the real hostname? none of the exim config files even contain "localhost", and the system hostname is set. |
| 12:17.50 | liable | rave: i dunno. try aumix |
| 12:17.55 | liable | cowboy__: shut up |
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| 12:18.13 | rave | liable:- okay, thankx a lot for the help |
| 12:18.24 | liable | no worries. |
| 12:18.25 | Nirgal | rave you tried snd_hda_intel ? ( http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/2005/12/msg00005.html ) |
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| 12:18.35 | resiak | SerajewelKS: Because what is sent as EHLO's argument is arbitrary (I _think_). |
| 12:19.18 | cahoot | /etc/mailname of no importance? |
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| 12:19.32 | trowa | hy all |
| 12:19.38 | Miles_Teg | rave, lspci returns the sound card entrie, with no conflicts? |
| 12:19.49 | Miles_Teg | entries... |
| 12:19.51 | rave | Nirgal:- we were trying it with the old image should i try it now, if aso how? |
| 12:20.00 | rave | Miles_Teg:- I'll try |
| 12:20.00 | SerajewelKS | resiak: it breaks SPF |
| 12:20.06 | resiak | SerajewelKS: That's a good thing ;) |
| 12:20.11 | liable | rave: that indeed sounds like the right module for your card.. |
| 12:20.18 | SerajewelKS | resiak: wtf |
| 12:20.25 | rave | liable:- how do i get it? |
| 12:20.33 | cowboy__ | PROXY HTTP 82.228.51.138 : 8080 |
| 12:20.33 | rave | Miles_Teg:- no conflicts |
| 12:20.35 | cowboy__ | PROXY HTTP 82.228.51.138 : 8080 |
| 12:20.40 | trowa | i have a problem, i want to install amule with apt-get but i lost my source.list |
| 12:20.46 | resiak | trowa: apt-setup |
| 12:20.48 | Nirgal | rave: it's just an hint, another idea you can try if you want :) |
| 12:21.04 | rave | Nirgal:- ? |
| 12:21.06 | liable | rave: you should have it in that kernel. |
| 12:21.24 | cowboy__ | PROXY HTTP 82.228.51.138 : 8080 |
| 12:21.26 | liable | cowboy__: please stop that you retard. |
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| 12:21.44 | rave | liable:- But that kernel is totally messeup isn't it it couldn't even get alsaconf going |
| 12:22.00 | Miles_Teg | seems the Intel810 is just not so compatible with the model of the card he have |
| 12:22.03 | liable | rave: modprobe -r snd-intel8x0 |
| 12:22.09 | rave | liable:- ok |
| 12:22.16 | resiak | SerajewelKS: Did you see the remark about /etc/mailname ? |
| 12:22.25 | rave | liable:- done ...now what |
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| 12:22.47 | liable | rave: modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 12:22.58 | rave | liable:- ok |
| 12:23.04 | SerajewelKS | resiak: which remark |
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| 12:23.09 | rave | liable:- done |
| 12:23.20 | rave | liable:- still nothin |
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| 12:23.21 | resiak | SerajewelKS: 12:19 cahoot : /etc/mailname of no importance? |
| 12:23.22 | SerajewelKS | resiak: oh from cahoot, no i didn't |
| 12:23.29 | liable | rave: alsamixer |
| 12:23.36 | Nirgal | rave, liable: It can work ( http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/10/msg03009.html ) :) |
| 12:23.37 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: mailname is set to what i want |
| 12:23.39 | resiak | SerajewelKS: (I was joking regarding SPF.) |
| 12:23.41 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: exim still ignores it |
| 12:23.44 | SerajewelKS | resiak: ah, ok |
| 12:23.47 | sberla | ragazzi 1 domanda |
| 12:23.54 | rave | liable:- alsamixer just worked up |
| 12:23.56 | resiak | SerajewelKS: Did you restart exim? (Obvious, I know.) |
| 12:24.00 | sberla | come installo le librerie libtcl.so ? |
| 12:24.03 | liable | rave: yay! |
| 12:24.12 | rave | liable:- but...what now |
| 12:24.16 | Nirgal | rave: google is your friend, use it :) |
| 12:24.32 | rave | Nirgal:- okay |
| 12:24.32 | Miles_Teg | just try playing your favorite song :) |
| 12:24.34 | liable | rave: set volumes then alsactl store |
| 12:24.41 | Nirgal | rave: I found with keywords "intel 915 sound" |
| 12:24.57 | rave | Nirgal:- ok |
| 12:24.59 | SerajewelKS | resiak: yes. the server has even been rebooted since then |
| 12:25.04 | rave | liable:- ok |
| 12:25.33 | takatumi | add the module name to /etc/modules and #the old one. |
| 12:25.56 | resiak | SerajewelKS: *shrug* good luck :) |
| 12:26.03 | Miles_Teg | well, it's google time for me too, and the nvidia not transbording the monitor in lower resolutions :) |
| 12:26.37 | rave | liable:- i tried alsactl , nothin still |
| 12:26.45 | Miles_Teg | one last time, noone with a good idea about this issue? |
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| 12:27.13 | liable | rave: do the cat thing and see if you get noise |
| 12:27.21 | trowa | but i want to install a package who is in unstable source |
| 12:27.25 | rave | liable:- okay |
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| 12:27.55 | rave | liable:- was that cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
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| 12:28.07 | liable | yerp |
| 12:28.45 | Miles_Teg | the sound of the kernel? |
| 12:28.58 | liable | yeah |
| 12:28.58 | rave | liable:- it gets stuck |
| 12:29.06 | Nirgal | Miles_Teg: I like module-assistant for external modules, including debian patches I guess, but I have no idea wether "module-assistant build nvidia-kernel" works or give better results |
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| 12:29.09 | Miles_Teg | I got curious now :) |
| 12:29.14 | liable | rave: it makes noise? |
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| 12:29.23 | rave | liable:- no :( |
| 12:29.28 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 12:29.35 | takatumi | rave: unmuted? |
| 12:29.44 | Shadowcat | mv rave /dev/null |
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| 12:30.17 | rave | takatumi:- sound not working at all |
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| 12:30.33 | lotusleaf | I have a t-shirt which reads (front: make people think that they're thinking and they'll love you) (back: make people actually think and they'll hate you) |
| 12:30.46 | Miles_Teg | my kernel is not so harmonic :) |
| 12:31.02 | liable | Miles_Teg: they dont sound so good :) |
| 12:31.07 | takatumi | rave: alsamixer, check for 'MM, if yes hit 'm' |
| 12:31.17 | rave | takatumi:- ok |
| 12:31.19 | Miles_Teg | I think I'll continue prefering Kitaro |
| 12:31.56 | takatumi | Kitaro, used to have a CD. |
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| 12:32.11 | takatumi | lost... |
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| 12:32.52 | Miles_Teg | Damned windows and your whole progenie...I lost ah entire HD trying upgrade the thing :/ |
| 12:32.53 | rave | liable takatumi /me just experianced the sound of the kernel |
| 12:32.55 | sberla | ragazzi |
| 12:33.00 | sberla | hello |
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| 12:33.35 | sberla | who is libtcl.so ? |
| 12:33.36 | Miles_Teg | well, a happy new year to all of us :) |
| 12:33.49 | rave | Miles_Teg:- ditto |
| 12:33.49 | sberla | i'm italian |
| 12:33.56 | Miles_Teg | I'm going to some google :) |
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| 12:34.12 | liable | rave: sweet! :) |
| 12:34.17 | rave | liable:- takatumi mow what do i do? |
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| 12:34.39 | takatumi | rave: add the module name to /etc/modules and #the old one. |
| 12:34.42 | liable | rave: play some music? |
| 12:35.17 | rave | liable:- i'm still not able to raise the volume in volume control |
| 12:35.25 | liable | heh, the mow what do i do reminded me of supertroopers :) |
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| 12:35.45 | rave | takatumi:- what do i # and wht do i add? |
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| 12:35.50 | rootnoverify | Ok, here I am again. I succeeded in installing the nvidia drivers with the nvidia one-liner provided by dpkg here. but now X-server won't start, complaining about something. It says that I don't have the correct nvidia kernel module version, but you can't choose which one you have. I have the 2.6 kernel. help? |
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| 12:36.13 | liable | rave: press < or > and then the up button.. |
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| 12:36.23 | rave | liable:- okay i got the sound :)) |
| 12:36.26 | rave | liable:- hurray |
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| 12:36.45 | takatumi | rave: you may need to blacklist snd-intel8x0, # add a '#' to the begining |
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| 12:37.46 | rave | takatumi:- there no snd-intel8x0 and no other snd mods |
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| 12:38.25 | ice_1963 | intel or amd |
| 12:38.25 | takatumi | rave: then blacklist it via whatever is loading it. |
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| 12:38.51 | rave | takatumi:- pardon mean but i don't get what blacklisting is |
| 12:38.54 | thoron | Where I report request for enchanment to Debian installer? I would like to see it to support installation on encrypted root filesystem. |
| 12:39.28 | liable | takatumi: it wasnt loaded, i told him to modprobe it so it shouldnt need blackilisting hopefully :) |
| 12:39.40 | rave | takatumi:- lsmod | grep snd gives me a list tpped bysnd_hda_intel |
| 12:39.46 | liable | rave: just add the snd-hda-intel module |
| 12:39.52 | rave | liable:- ok |
| 12:40.40 | sberla | HELLO |
| 12:40.48 | rave | liable:- now can i reboot and check? |
| 12:40.55 | liable | rave: sure |
| 12:41.09 | takatumi | liable: got in midway. :) |
| 12:41.17 | liable | takatumi: heh :) |
| 12:41.51 | tarzeau | i love it when X crashes |
| 12:41.59 | liran_ | is there a way to record sessions in X? |
| 12:42.01 | tarzeau | at least sound keeps running in gnu screen |
| 12:42.05 | tarzeau | liran_: yeah |
| 12:42.10 | tarzeau | liran_: there's xvidcap for example |
| 12:42.11 | liable | must be that gnu step stuff? |
| 12:42.16 | tarzeau | liran_: no way! |
| 12:42.32 | liable | tarzeau: joking :) |
| 12:42.47 | liran_ | ok ill check it |
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| 12:43.18 | tarzeau | liran_: maybe firefox |
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| 12:43.34 | liable | meh |
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| 12:44.30 | sberla | ragazzi una domanda |
| 12:44.37 | sberla | whot is libtcl.so ? |
| 12:44.42 | sberla | apt-get install ? |
| 12:45.04 | tarzeau | sberla: http://packages.debian.org |
| 12:45.06 | bbrazil | sberla: apt-file search |
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| 12:45.18 | rave | liable:- the sound is working |
| 12:45.19 | Zvpun | how can i see wheter a font is unicode or not? |
| 12:45.27 | sberla | apt-file search libtcl.so ? |
| 12:45.28 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to enable domainkeys in exim without recompiling exim? |
| 12:45.28 | rave | liable:- 2 last thing |
| 12:45.34 | liable | rave: yay! go have a beer :) |
| 12:45.35 | tarzeau | Zvpun: uh? |
| 12:45.46 | tarzeau | Zvpun: unicode is how you store a text |
| 12:45.48 | rave | liable:- i can't my parent's would kill me :( |
| 12:46.03 | Zvpun | tarzeau: and there are fonts to display unicode codepoints |
| 12:46.11 | liable | rave: bah |
| 12:46.14 | tarzeau | Zvpun: yes and unicode is very large |
| 12:46.16 | rave | liable:- anyway how do i remove existing not working images |
| 12:46.16 | Zvpun | tarzeau: I meight have made mistakes in formulating things correctly |
| 12:46.19 | tarzeau | Zvpun: which font are we talking about? |
| 12:46.25 | rave | liable:- i STILL live in india |
| 12:46.28 | liable | rave: kernels? |
| 12:46.33 | Zvpun | tarzeau: eg ttf-dejavu |
| 12:46.39 | tarzeau | Zvpun: that's a pretty good one |
| 12:46.41 | rave | liable:- yes |
| 12:46.43 | sberla | hello |
| 12:46.49 | sberla | apt-file search libtcl.so |
| 12:46.53 | rave | liable:- is it new year there? |
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| 12:46.54 | sberla | not found.. |
| 12:47.19 | liable | rave: leave the 2.6.8 one, it takes up not much room, and its always good to have a backup kernel. |
| 12:47.31 | liable | rave: 1:10 to go |
| 12:47.50 | rave | liable:- Adv. happy new year thn :) |
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| 12:47.58 | rave | liable:- How do i remove the rest? |
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| 12:48.06 | Spliffster | is there an easy way to "split" a comma seperated string into a bash array ? |
| 12:48.08 | Zvpun | tarzeau: so how do I know whetere a font is an unicode font? Is there a difference between unicode fonts and non unicode fonts? |
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| 12:48.32 | tarzeau | Zvpun: no, "unicode font" is a bad term, |
| 12:48.35 | tarzeau | Zvpun: don't use it, it's wrong |
| 12:48.38 | liable | rave: apt-get remove kernel-image-foo |
| 12:48.42 | tarzeau | Zvpun: it's fonts that have more or less characters |
| 12:48.44 | rave | liable:- ok |
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| 12:49.06 | rave | liable:- and one last thing tell me a good mp3 player |
| 12:49.11 | tarzeau | Zvpun: what part of unicode are you interested in? arabic? japanese? latin? |
| 12:49.14 | liable | cplay! |
| 12:49.19 | Zvpun | tarzeau: and how can I find out if a font is good to cover a lot |
| 12:49.23 | Zvpun | tarzeau: I am interested in latin |
| 12:49.33 | Zvpun | tarzeau: german |
| 12:49.36 | tarzeau | Zvpun: ttf-dejavu, ttf-junicode and ttf-gentium are good |
| 12:49.42 | Zvpun | tarzeau: thanks |
| 12:49.50 | tarzeau | Zvpun: most fonts will have latin/german, you'll have a hard time findig one that doesn't cover german |
| 12:50.03 | tarzeau | Zvpun: check the homepage or with the author of the font |
| 12:50.09 | Zvpun | tarzeau: is there a way to remember this? this question comes up once in a while and I never now. |
| 12:50.10 | liable | rave: theres lots, try em, depends on your prferences for gui or whatever, i like cplay or xmms |
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| 12:50.13 | Zvpun | tarzeau: *know |
| 12:50.14 | tarzeau | Pixel83: for how long not? |
| 12:50.19 | rave | liable:- okay |
| 12:50.26 | tarzeau | Zvpun: who asks you that question? |
| 12:50.32 | tarzeau | rave: opencubicplayer |
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| 12:50.54 | rave | tarzeau:- thank |
| 12:50.57 | Pixel83 | tarzeau, I hadn't installed debian for half a year and 3.1r0a wouldn't recognize my NIC |
| 12:51.01 | Zvpun | tarzeau: I myself. Whenether I help someone to install debian |
| 12:51.04 | tarzeau | rave: you'll want the rc4 one, let me find the url |
| 12:51.11 | Zvpun | tarzeau: apt-cache search font matches a lot |
| 12:51.19 | tarzeau | Pixel83: what's your nic? lspci? |
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| 12:51.45 | tarzeau | Zvpun: why would one care about fonts when there is no real DTP software for linux? |
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| 12:51.48 | Pixel83 | tarzeau, no idea, it'S a RTL8139D |
| 12:51.49 | tarzeau | or more generally, debian |
| 12:51.57 | tarzeau | Pixel83: but that should work fine... |
| 12:52.01 | saintiss | hi, is there a way to determine what ioport is used by which device? |
| 12:52.06 | tarzeau | saintiss: yes |
| 12:52.15 | saintiss | tarzeau: could you give me a hint? |
| 12:52.17 | tarzeau | saintiss: what device is it? |
| 12:52.17 | Zvpun | tarzeau: ttf-gentium seems to be non-free |
| 12:52.22 | rave | tarzeau:- there something called rythm box which i tried to play just now, it say /dev/dsp is in use by another program how is that? |
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| 12:52.29 | saintiss | tarzeau: it's the IR receiver on a tvcard (pci) |
| 12:52.33 | tarzeau | Zvpun: no it's dfsg compliant, the maintainer should just update it |
| 12:52.52 | tarzeau | rave: fuser -k /dev/dsp |
| 12:53.02 | abrotman | nima: why? |
| 12:53.02 | Zvpun | tarzeau: 990 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org testing/non-free Packages |
| 12:53.02 | rave | tarzeau:- okay |
| 12:53.03 | tarzeau | nima: oh please stop spamming |
| 12:53.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: because freenode is shit |
| 12:53.16 | tarzeau | Zvpun: so what? |
| 12:53.22 | nima | freenode isnt shit |
| 12:53.25 | Zvpun | tarzeau: so if the maintainer updates it, it will change its place on the server? |
| 12:53.26 | tarzeau | nima: yes it's SHIT |
| 12:53.31 | nima | it is somewhat decent |
| 12:53.37 | tarzeau | nima: it doesn't allow more than 20 channels/nick |
| 12:53.39 | Zvpun | tarzeau: sorry, coulnd't type that fast :-) |
| 12:53.44 | pngwn | saintiss, cat /proc/ioports |
| 12:53.46 | rave | tarzeau:- thankx a lot man |
| 12:53.48 | tarzeau | nima: and it sucks about /msg ing other people when not identified |
| 12:53.56 | nima | spam problems! |
| 12:53.58 | tarzeau | nima: and it takes away channels you used to own |
| 12:54.03 | tarzeau | nima: no freenode bullshit |
| 12:54.10 | rave | tarzeau:- but the speakers still crackles as the song is played |
| 12:54.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: you can ask for Christian Gentoo spam |
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| 12:54.48 | tarzeau | rave: turn volume down on spekaers |
| 12:54.58 | tarzeau | rave: got a mic near? |
| 12:55.03 | nima | fine, freenode sucks significantly less than the alternatives |
| 12:55.10 | rave | tarzeau:- okay no mic nearby |
| 12:55.14 | saintiss | pngwn: hmm... the tvcard doesn't seem to be listed there |
| 12:55.22 | saintiss | pngwn: it is listed in lspci though |
| 12:55.26 | abrotman | nima: anyways. i'm sure lilo will announce the channel as the time draws near .. no need to tell us |
| 12:55.37 | pngwn | that'll work ;) |
| 12:55.38 | tarzeau | nima: yeah lilo will tell us STFU :) |
| 12:55.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh crap, you've really got no life, why are you even here on new year? |
| 12:55.52 | liable | rave: adjust in alsamixer, the dont forget alsactl store |
| 12:55.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's 8am ? |
| 12:56.09 | relic | saintiss, hehe, someone would tell you to use knoppix... |
| 12:56.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's 2 pm already here |
| 12:56.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: regardless .. i slept like crap last night .. i doubt i'm going anywhere |
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| 12:56.24 | rave | liable:- do i set everythin to high in alsamixer> |
| 12:56.25 | numist | its 5am here |
| 12:56.31 | numist | I cant believe people wake up at this time |
| 12:56.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: i slept bad two days ago, but perfect last night |
| 12:56.35 | numist | I havent even slept yet |
| 12:56.41 | tarzeau | rave: not very high |
| 12:56.42 | jteknet | Hello all |
| 12:56.46 | rave | tarzeau:- ok |
| 12:56.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah .. so i'm already tired :) |
| 12:56.49 | liable | tarzeau: shut up! i am here and its 2256, but i spose i dont have a life.. :( :) |
| 12:56.55 | paulswm | Heck, I get up at 0430 every day, I love the early mornings |
| 12:56.58 | nima | its 8am here, i havnt gone to bed |
| 12:57.02 | abrotman | liable: you're australian .. you can't help it |
| 12:57.03 | liable | rave: no, not in the red! |
| 12:57.06 | tarzeau | liable: hahaha! no big city near you? girlfriends? |
| 12:57.14 | liable | abrotman: :P |
| 12:57.21 | tarzeau | guess i'll go to zurich |
| 12:57.24 | liable | tarzeau: about 15000 in my town :( |
| 12:57.34 | tarzeau | liable: haha, like my town, 10000 |
| 12:57.34 | liable | err.. 1500 |
| 12:57.39 | paulswm | liable: WOW, you have long days :P |
| 12:57.42 | tarzeau | liable: yuck, yours is even worse than mine |
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| 12:57.51 | liable | it truly sucks.. |
| 12:57.54 | relic | or lesss 15 |
| 12:58.19 | rave | liable:- i've set everything just below red . they wont blow my speakers now will they :p |
| 12:58.23 | rootnoverify | ok, the nvidia one-liner doesn't work here. It doesn't give any errors, but when I restart X, it doesn't start. |
| 12:58.31 | liable | rave: crank it up! |
| 12:58.40 | rave | liable:- it still crackles |
| 12:58.44 | rave | :(( |
| 12:58.46 | liable | rave: hrm |
| 12:58.51 | bpuzon | Hi, is anyone familiar with the "bison (0 (NULL))" notation? What does it mean? |
| 12:58.53 | tarzeau | rave: maybe they're blown up already |
| 12:59.01 | liable | point |
| 12:59.20 | jteknet | I have used Debian for a little while now (on x86) so I wouldn't bother you guys if it weren't important. I just spent over 8 hours downloading iso after iso for the PPC port of debian Sarge and I was got it booted and everything it detects everything but I can't get YaBoot to install can anyone help me? It's default location to install is sda2 and I don't even see an sda2 when I go to install. |
| 12:59.26 | rave | tarzeau:- I don;t wish to think so, right now they're half my fortune |
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| 12:59.36 | tarzeau | jteknet: #debianppc |
| 12:59.44 | jteknet | Thank you! |
| 12:59.45 | tarzeau | jteknet: what ppc is it? some don't work |
| 12:59.47 | rave | tarzeau:- This is my first quakity spks ( a Creative) |
| 12:59.49 | jteknet | iBook |
| 12:59.51 | jteknet | g4 |
| 12:59.55 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 12:59.55 | dpkg | i guess ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 12:59.56 | jteknet | 1.22 GHz |
| 13:00.04 | tarzeau | jteknet: the latest ones? |
| 13:00.11 | tarzeau | jteknet: oh come on, run os x! |
| 13:00.13 | SpamHog | going nuts over a trifle... where do I nail down KDE as default desktop on a standard Sarge? the net is full of wrong hints! |
| 13:00.13 | rave | liable:- it works fine in xmms |
| 13:00.20 | jteknet | tarzeau Yes sir |
| 13:00.28 | tarzeau | SpamHog: there is no default desktop |
| 13:00.30 | jteknet | I am running os x |
| 13:00.31 | jteknet | lol |
| 13:00.33 | jteknet | I want BOTH |
| 13:00.36 | jteknet | I like BOTH |
| 13:00.37 | jteknet | :-) |
| 13:00.38 | liable | rave: then adjust the volume in whatever app you were using. |
| 13:00.43 | SpamHog | tarzeau: gdm says there is... |
| 13:00.48 | rave | liable:- okay thankx |
| 13:00.49 | tarzeau | jteknet: then do so. and stop whining |
| 13:00.53 | tarzeau | SpamHog: gdm is shit |
| 13:01.10 | bpuzon | how to check what allmighty dpkg has knowledge about? |
| 13:01.16 | tarzeau | bpuzon: the bot? |
| 13:01.20 | jonas3 | What's the differance between linux-image and kenel-image in apt ? |
| 13:01.22 | jteknet | tarzeau: How am I whining? I asked a simple question. |
| 13:01.24 | bpuzon | tarzeau yep |
| 13:01.36 | abrotman | SpamHog: alternatives |
| 13:01.44 | tarzeau | bpuzon: i've got a dump at www.linuks.mine.nu/apt/ but it's way out of date |
| 13:01.47 | abrotman | jonas3: they renamed them |
| 13:01.54 | liable | hrm, what is that factoid for its database? |
| 13:02.01 | abrotman | !your factoids |
| 13:02.01 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 13:02.10 | jonas3 | So linux-image is what you should use nowadays? |
| 13:02.11 | liable | thats it! :) |
| 13:02.18 | bpuzon | thanks abrotman, thanks dpkg |
| 13:02.18 | dpkg | bitte, bpuzon |
| 13:02.19 | Zvpun | tarzeau: since you seem to know so much about the fonts and unicode. I would like to know how to find out what font I would have to install if I see a box in firefox with a number inside. Eg. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utf8.html has Georgian text and I can see 10E6,10D7, and so on inside the boxes. Is there a way to find a font starting with a particular code point? |
| 13:02.20 | tarzeau | jonas3: unless you want kfreebsd-image |
| 13:02.20 | liable | jonas3: yes for etch/sid |
| 13:02.34 | bpuzon | dpkg whow.... you know german :-) |
| 13:02.42 | tarzeau | Zvpun: use soemthing like charmap.app |
| 13:02.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: noone uses that crap |
| 13:02.48 | bpuzon | dpkg whow.... you speak german :-) |
| 13:02.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: i do |
| 13:02.57 | jonas3 | what the kfreebsd is that? |
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| 13:03.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. but you can't even find a guitar store |
| 13:03.02 | SpamHog | abrotman: alternatives??? |
| 13:03.03 | liable | wel.. |
| 13:03.05 | tarzeau | jonas3: #gnu-kbsd |
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| 13:03.08 | abrotman | jonas3: bsd on debian |
| 13:03.11 | abrotman | errr |
| 13:03.13 | abrotman | duh |
| 13:03.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm just too lazy |
| 13:03.16 | abrotman | debian on bsd kernel |
| 13:03.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: i've noticed |
| 13:03.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: heck it's just a guitar |
| 13:03.30 | jonas3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 13:03.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: then send it to me |
| 13:03.38 | jonas3 | woa, wht you want that?? |
| 13:03.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: and where do i exercise playin'? |
| 13:04.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: if you can't take care of it .. give it to someone who will |
| 13:04.57 | liable | yes mom.. :P |
| 13:04.59 | abrotman | SpamHog: the alternatives system ... /etc/alternatives/ |
| 13:05.15 | abrotman | SpamHog: man update-alternatives |
| 13:05.56 | abrotman | !alternatives |
| 13:05.56 | dpkg | i guess alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 13:06.01 | rave | tarzeau:- liable and everyone else , thankx for being some much helpful to a newbie, i;ve got to go right hope to meet you guys soon. happy newyear to all of u guys contact me at ravehanker@gmail.com |
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| 13:06.05 | rave | bye all |
| 13:06.10 | aubergine | is here an apache2 expert, who i may ask an question? :) |
| 13:06.22 | liable | #apache? |
| 13:06.45 | liable | rave: night have fun.. |
| 13:06.47 | abrotman | aubergine: just spit it out .. or ask #apache |
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| 13:08.33 | aubergine | I have changed my httpd.conf. I added a VirtualServer and a VirtualNameServer and restarted my apache2. Since this time is doesnt logg anything thing in access.log. error logging works but access logging not. I havent changed anything with thema logging in my configs. What could that be |
| 13:08.51 | keith80403 | I didn't configure the network on a Sarge install, how do I configure it after the fact? base-config doesn't visit the same network screens I saw during the initial install. |
| 13:09.01 | bpuzon | !factoids |
| 13:09.01 | dpkg | Give me more! Bigmouth hungry! |
| 13:09.07 | bbrazil | keith80403: man interfaces |
| 13:09.11 | liable | haha |
| 13:09.23 | bpuzon | !show factoids |
| 13:09.33 | abrotman | bpuzon: /msg dpkg hi |
| 13:09.50 | keith80403 | bbrazil, I'll try it thanks. I've run RedHat/Fedora for years, trying to learn to "speak Debian." |
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| 13:10.50 | shingouz | augh... work calls so i cannot do this at the proper time. happy new year to y'all here :) |
| 13:11.11 | abrotman | shingouz: work? |
| 13:11.15 | liable | and returns :) |
| 13:11.17 | shingouz | yes. |
| 13:11.19 | abrotman | shingouz: wife2.0 ? |
| 13:11.24 | liable | heh |
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| 13:11.34 | shingouz | uh... not this time. $ork |
| 13:11.47 | abrotman | shingouz: why did they call ? |
| 13:12.04 | shingouz | nothing special, i just happen to drive a cab too |
| 13:12.19 | liable | cause they're bastards? |
| 13:12.21 | abrotman | shingouz: you never come around anymore .. and then you tell us you have to go to work? |
| 13:12.29 | keith80403 | !show factoids |
| 13:12.30 | SpamHog | abrotman: I read abt the alternatives system, there's nothing on setting the desktop as opposed to window manager etc... :( |
| 13:12.35 | SpamHog | anyone: where do I tell gdm (which is a shit) to use kdm as system default desktop? |
| 13:12.38 | shingouz | will be a fun night tonight, all the morons on the planet need a ride |
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| 13:12.50 | shingouz | abrotman: yeah, i have been a "bit" busy lately |
| 13:12.57 | liable | shingouz: have fun drive safe :) |
| 13:13.02 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 13:13.05 | bbrazil | SpamHog: dpkg-reconfigure {gdm,kdm,zdm} |
| 13:13.09 | bbrazil | *xdm |
| 13:13.12 | shingouz | i am liable to do so :p |
| 13:13.19 | abrotman | SpamHog: damn it . it used to be there :) |
| 13:13.56 | abrotman | hah! .. /etc/alternatives/x-ssssion-manager ? |
| 13:14.06 | bbrazil | SpamHog: also kdm and gdm are display managers, not desktops |
| 13:14.18 | abrotman | i think he was asking about desktop .. not DM |
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| 13:14.33 | shingouz | grrr... now this monitor os going screwy on me |
| 13:14.56 | abrotman | shingouz: that's what happens when you spend all your time looking at flesh instead of the computer .. it gets cranky |
| 13:15.09 | shingouz | abrotman: :p |
| 13:15.17 | shingouz | true, so very true |
| 13:15.23 | SpamHog | abrotman: my default is metacity... will try kde in its place & repoar back |
| 13:15.30 | SpamHog | report back |
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| 13:15.37 | liable | err, iniit the other way round/ :) |
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| 13:15.45 | shingouz | abrotman: ... just that the wife 2.0 is so cute.... :p |
| 13:15.46 | insaine | hey |
| 13:15.47 | abrotman | SpamHog: update-alternatives --list ... might help |
| 13:15.55 | abrotman | shingouz: and she has sex drive! |
| 13:15.56 | liable | gah typosmite me! |
| 13:16.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: btw i've found another great source for new packages to maintain: |
| 13:16.10 | tarzeau | http://popcon.debian.org/unknown/by_inst |
| 13:16.12 | shingouz | abrotman: <censored> |
| 13:16.27 | abrotman | shingouz: hehe |
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| 13:16.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: aren't most of those non-free by terms of DFSG ? |
| 13:16.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've found enblend and gammu to be worthful... need to contact the ITPers... |
| 13:17.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, only about 20% is not DFSG |
| 13:17.34 | SpamHog | bbrazil: dpkg-reconfigure gdm just "reloads" the gdm config - no interaction |
| 13:17.47 | tarzeau | and even if there are, you can most of the time work out a better license together with upstream... |
| 13:17.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: dunno .. most seem to be related mplayer |
| 13:18.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: mplayer is only like 1% |
| 13:18.06 | abrotman | SpamHog: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
| 13:18.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: enblend is also useful when you scan books/catalogs |
| 13:18.23 | insaine | when i try to change my keyboard module to gen 105-key pc i get "error activating XKB configuration Probably internal x server" |
| 13:18.39 | insaine | i have removed xdm i favor to gmd |
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| 13:19.59 | insaine | in* |
| 13:20.03 | shingouz | this monitor is getting too wonky and i do not have time to replace it now. i think i will go drive around the city for about 16 hours, maybe i am still coherent enough to show up here when i get back. in anycase, be nice and do not lart too much |
| 13:20.31 | liable | we're not allowed to anymore.. :P |
| 13:20.50 | abrotman | !lart shingouz |
| 13:20.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: i just wanted to do the same ;) |
| 13:21.07 | shingouz | !lart abrotman |
| 13:21.08 | liable | !kigleysmite abrotman |
| 13:21.14 | shingouz | bwahahaha :) |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | !penixsmite shingouz |
| 13:21.24 | liable | fuck |
| 13:21.25 | abrotman | gah ... they're removed! |
| 13:21.29 | SpamHog | yessss!!! x-session-manager links to gnome-session |
| 13:21.29 | tarzeau | liable: where? |
| 13:21.39 | abrotman | !kingsleysmite shingouz |
| 13:21.39 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer shingouz: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.49146265056649! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 13:21.42 | liable | tarzeau: not here thats for sure :( |
| 13:21.43 | abrotman | liable: better ? |
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| 13:21.55 | abrotman | SpamHog: see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:21.55 | liable | abrotman: yes, i am a typing tard! |
| 13:22.03 | shingouz | abrotman: that was a new one for me |
| 13:22.03 | abrotman | SpamHog: i'm only half braindamaged! |
| 13:22.14 | abrotman | shingouz: you should check the url :) |
| 13:22.16 | binks_ | lo peeps how can i empty my root wastebin i have some stuff in there |
| 13:22.29 | shingouz | was that the one about the fuck- counter? |
| 13:22.33 | insaine | rm -f -r * |
| 13:22.37 | abrotman | binks_: su .. and find them and delete them ? |
| 13:22.38 | insaine | the fastet way :) |
| 13:22.49 | abrotman | insaine: DO NOT do that |
| 13:23.00 | binks_ | insane so just type what u wrote |
| 13:23.03 | liable | root wastebin? |
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| 13:23.09 | abrotman | binks_: ignore insaine .. he's being an asshole |
| 13:23.11 | binks_ | .Trash |
| 13:23.14 | insaine | yea |
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| 13:23.29 | abrotman | insaine: and that's why you NEVER say that .. some people don't know it's bad |
| 13:23.48 | binks_ | i used root to empty my basket and it just put it all in root/.Trash |
| 13:24.06 | abrotman | binks_: su ... cd /root .. ls 0a |
| 13:24.08 | abrotman | err ls -a |
| 13:24.09 | liable | insaine: that indeed is a seriously asshole thing to say. |
| 13:24.25 | McFly | hi all! |
| 13:24.41 | abrotman | HELLO .. McFly! |
| 13:24.44 | binks_ | wow im now lost |
| 13:24.44 | liable | binks_: if you have it, cant you just delete it with whatever you created it with? |
| 13:25.39 | liable | gnome trash or whatever? |
| 13:26.03 | binks_ | gnome here |
| 13:26.09 | McFly | Hello abortman |
| 13:26.20 | abrotman | why is my name hard ? |
| 13:26.43 | liable | that always makes me laugh :) ... sorry :) |
| 13:26.47 | McFly | I'm sorry abROtman ;-) |
| 13:27.23 | DevilChaos | hi id like to understand ip masquerading it should be runnin g now on my machine but dose that mean that my true ip is hidden? |
| 13:27.34 | McFly | don't be ungry! I'm here just to learn some english... |
| 13:27.34 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 13:28.15 | kspath | I always thought that if someone did not know that rm-rf was not a great thing they needed a lesson but I have sort of become a BOFH as of late |
| 13:28.38 | DevilChaos | rm -rf not good |
| 13:29.13 | DevilChaos | abrotman:? |
| 13:29.15 | liable | kspath: not really a nice thing to say here, as people actually will prolly do it if someone tells em too. |
| 13:29.20 | kspath | being not good I removed the space so that if a copy/paste or cut/paste were to occur of my line it would not execute |
| 13:29.22 | abrotman | DevilChaos: ? |
| 13:29.32 | DevilChaos | ip masquerading |
| 13:29.36 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 13:29.36 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 13:29.40 | shingouz | ok, i will go install debian on the taxi mercedes now. see you ain about 16-20 hours. be well :) |
| 13:29.41 | abrotman | read the howto |
| 13:29.52 | DevilChaos | ta |
| 13:29.55 | abrotman | shingouz: you need city wide wifi :) |
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| 13:31.07 | dave_ | anyone got an idea why gnutella isn't working in stable please? |
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| 13:31.20 | dave_ | (gtk-gnutella, sorry) |
| 13:31.35 | common | gnutella never worked |
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| 13:32.00 | binks_ | sudo nautilus cured me trash problem cheers |
| 13:32.05 | liable | hrm 29 mins to go, i should go walk the streets i spose.. |
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| 13:32.28 | alex_joni_ | is there an easy way to install only a new packet, without upgrading existing ones? |
| 13:32.29 | liable | might get some new years lubbin. :) |
| 13:33.02 | abrotman | liable: does it count if the animal is drunk ? |
| 13:33.12 | kspath | ouch |
| 13:33.28 | kspath | two legged or four legged? |
| 13:33.32 | liable | abrotman: unfortunately if you met the locals here.. |
| 13:33.50 | liable | abrotman: fuck you btw :P |
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| 13:33.58 | abrotman | liable: i blame all the time you spend sucking dijooweedoo .. or whatever it's called |
| 13:34.13 | liable | abrotman: its called beer! |
| 13:34.29 | kspath | stella Artois ? |
| 13:34.35 | abrotman | in australia? |
| 13:34.55 | liable | never heard of imports? |
| 13:35.03 | abrotman | liable: budweiser? :) |
| 13:35.08 | binks_ | xxxx |
| 13:35.10 | liable | fuck no! |
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| 13:35.14 | binks_ | lol |
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| 13:35.22 | kspath | I would not take my beer there they are upside down the bubble will go the wrong way :-P~ |
| 13:35.22 | dave_ | Thanks common. I just tried dc_gui but I need a seed hub I think. What gnutella-clone works these days please? |
| 13:35.22 | binks_ | tooheys |
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| 13:35.28 | binks_ | is that right spelling |
| 13:35.37 | abrotman | Dave123: gtk-gnutella |
| 13:35.46 | abrotman | dave_: ^^ |
| 13:36.07 | Eulex | alex_joni_, no |
| 13:36.21 | liable | whatever, its all beer.. |
| 13:36.31 | alex_joni_ | Eulex: I really see no reason in updating initrd just because i want to install irssi |
| 13:36.35 | abrotman | liable: see .. that's how people end up drinking Old Milwaukee |
| 13:36.56 | abrotman | alex_joni_: what versino of debian are you running ? |
| 13:36.58 | kspath | what is wrong with blue ribbon ?!?!?! |
| 13:36.58 | alex_joni_ | Eulex: last time it chocked, and some packages never got installed back.. |
| 13:37.02 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: sarge |
| 13:37.07 | abrotman | alex_joni_: no you're not |
| 13:37.16 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: yes I am |
| 13:37.39 | Eulex | alex_joni_, then they depend on each other in some way, and the old versions of stuff aren't on the mirrors |
| 13:37.40 | abrotman | oh .. ok .. initrd gets updated in sarge at least three times a week .. what was i htinking |
| 13:37.46 | liable | abrotman: i must admit, i will drink "most" beers, but i just dislike people that have class me socially on the beer i drink.. |
| 13:37.47 | kspath | oh wait pabst is blue ribbon old milwaukee is old milwaukee |
| 13:38.03 | liable | s/have// |
| 13:38.07 | abrotman | liable: i don't class you .. i just think you have no taste buds |
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| 13:38.14 | dave_ | abrotman: which version? The stable version complains that the config needs to use the 'ancient_version_force' variable. This lets gtk-gnutella start, but not find the network |
| 13:38.14 | abrotman | alex_joni_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:38.15 | liable | hah |
| 13:38.21 | binks_ | class socially on beer ffs |
| 13:38.30 | abrotman | dave_: uhm .. i use the one in etch .. works fine |
| 13:38.38 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 13:38.41 | binks_ | stella = exspensive |
| 13:38.49 | binks_ | wife beater = stella |
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| 13:38.54 | binks_ | hows that work then |
| 13:39.05 | abrotman | alex_joni_: installing irssi in sarge should NOT require anything to be upgraded .. least of all initrd |
| 13:39.16 | liable | well, how do you class stell=wife beater? |
| 13:39.18 | abrotman | binks_: stella is expensive ? |
| 13:39.24 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: where can I paste? |
| 13:39.26 | binks_ | yes here in uk |
| 13:39.28 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:39.28 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 13:39.32 | alex_joni_ | !paste |
| 13:39.41 | abrotman | it's telling you were to paste |
| 13:39.42 | binks_ | reasuringley expensive that the ad |
| 13:39.55 | alex_joni_ | '<dpkg> Someone already said that 5 seconds ago' |
| 13:40.04 | alex_joni_ | !paste |
| 13:40.04 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 13:40.22 | abrotman | alex_joni_: yes .. use #flood or that url |
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| 13:40.43 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:40.55 | liable | well, everyone seems to say "ooh drink so and so" cause its fucking expensive and i class that as socio streotyping peoplr by the beer they drink.. call me a fucktard if you will, but thats how i see it.. |
| 13:41.39 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1420 |
| 13:41.40 | abrotman | liable: no .. i drink the local beer .. usually .. it's not the cheapest .. but it's not horrible |
| 13:41.43 | binks_ | 1 i dont swear 2 i dont class anyone we all the same you me them everybody |
| 13:41.43 | dave_ | abrotman: so I just need the testing version. I have an apt preferences file (stable:testing:unstable=900:400:300) and I think thi is preventing me from installing the testing version. |
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| 13:42.08 | abrotman | alex_joni_: was this a woody machine ? |
| 13:42.18 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: always sarge |
| 13:42.26 | abrotman | alex_joni_: paste your sources |
| 13:42.28 | alex_joni_ | but it's an year old or so |
| 13:42.30 | dave_ | sarge |
| 13:42.37 | diana | Is mplayer from marillat broken currently? |
| 13:42.51 | liable | abrotman: same here. though of course opinions differ, (some say i have no taste whatsoever:) |
| 13:43.07 | abrotman | liable: but i taught dpkg about my local beer :) |
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| 13:43.36 | liable | abrotman: well, i got larted by Guerin for mine ;) |
| 13:43.37 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1421 |
| 13:43.37 | abrotman | dave_: i did use the gtk-gnutella one |
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| 13:43.54 | abrotman | alex_joni_: as i said .. you're not using sarge |
| 13:43.57 | Tenkawa | Anyone know off hand what packages and tweaks are needed to get apps like grip and rxvt in debian to display japanese characters properly |
| 13:44.01 | liable | abrotman: BUT ONCE AGAIN, I DONT SAY I HAVE THE BEST TASTE :) |
| 13:44.01 | abrotman | liable: how bad is it |
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| 13:44.15 | abrotman | liable: yes .. you're here instead of looking for farm animals :) |
| 13:44.23 | liable | oops, sorry, caps lock.. |
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| 13:44.30 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: I was.. but that was before sarge got stable |
| 13:44.35 | moonoichoong | please give me stairway to heaven.mp3 |
| 13:44.44 | abrotman | alex_joni_: but you didn't change your sources .. you're not running testing .. aka etch |
| 13:44.54 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: should I change the sources? |
| 13:44.59 | abrotman | moonoichoong: wrong channel |
| 13:45.01 | dave_ | what is the flood channel please? |
| 13:45.03 | abrotman | alex_joni_: probably too late |
| 13:45.06 | paulswm | moonoichoong: wrong chan |
| 13:45.06 | bbrazil | dave_: #flood |
| 13:45.08 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: how so? |
| 13:45.08 | abrotman | dave_: #flood |
| 13:45.10 | moonoichoong | sorry |
| 13:45.10 | liable | abrotman: i have to wait untill there handlers are drunk.. |
| 13:45.12 | dave_ | ty |
| 13:45.17 | binks_ | later all need to get party ready |
| 13:45.22 | abrotman | alex_joni_: you've probably got some testing packages alreaedy installed |
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| 13:45.30 | alex_joni_ | don't think so.. |
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| 13:45.46 | dave_ | \flood |
| 13:45.51 | alex_joni_ | didn't really install anything lately |
| 13:46.03 | abrotman | alex_joni_: you can try .. but i doubt it will work |
| 13:46.07 | liable | !think |
| 13:46.07 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
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| 13:46.20 | Tenkawa | is xfs just utf-8 unaware? |
| 13:46.24 | Tenkawa | xfs fs that is |
| 13:46.28 | paulswm | liable: While you're looking for farm animals, abrotman will be searching for an electric fence I think :P |
| 13:46.29 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: just replace testing with stable? |
| 13:46.42 | abrotman | alex_joni_: sure .. but i still doubt it will work |
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| 13:47.26 | liable | paulswm: to keep em in? or for other sexually deprived reasons? :) |
| 13:47.27 | dave_ | thanks abrotman, but I would like to stick to sarge and only pin from testing and unstable. |
| 13:47.34 | ootput | happy new year australians! |
| 13:47.46 | deckrider | Hi, I have Debian/Stable. This is probably a silly question, but I thought a long time ago there was some web browser that also could display info files. Anyone know what package that is? |
| 13:47.47 | abrotman | dave_: apt-get -t testing install irssi-text |
| 13:47.56 | paulswm | liable: It's a long story which IIRC involves an electric fence and the need to urinate :P |
| 13:47.58 | Tenkawa | noone knows eh? |
| 13:48.23 | liable | paulswm: ah, thats quite nasty from what i have heard.. |
| 13:48.58 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: looks a LOT better now,thanks |
| 13:49.13 | liable | makes you ejaculate iirc... (involuntarily) |
| 13:49.22 | numist | .... |
| 13:49.30 | paulswm | liable: I would imagine that it's nasty - although it's a shame that such a jolt cannot yet be administered over IP :P |
| 13:49.31 | abrotman | alex_joni_: does it actually install ? |
| 13:49.38 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1421 |
| 13:49.44 | abrotman | paulswm: i didn't have to pee! |
| 13:49.55 | liable | paulswm: i am sure its being worked on :) |
| 13:50.03 | abrotman | alex_joni_: already saw that one |
| 13:50.07 | paulswm | liable: See above, I have the story wrong |
| 13:50.12 | alex_joni_ | sorry, wrong link |
| 13:50.17 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: try 1422 |
| 13:50.49 | liable | abrotman: so you just decided to rest your weaner on the electric fence? |
| 13:50.49 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: it worked, hugs & thanks ;) |
| 13:51.13 | alex_joni_ | scrap the hugs on second thought |
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| 13:51.14 | abrotman | alex_joni_: ah .. ok .. just be wary .. some othe rstuff may not work |
| 13:51.32 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: anything I could do? |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | liable: let me find the url |
| 13:51.39 | alex_joni_ | like distupgrade or soemthing? |
| 13:51.43 | abrotman | alex_joni_: upgrade to testing :) |
| 13:52.03 | alex_joni_ | I don't want testing anymore.. |
| 13:52.11 | alex_joni_ | this is a fairly needed machine |
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| 13:52.33 | dave_ | if I install the testing version of libc6, will I still have the stable version installed as well. Would installing testing libc6 affect the stable software? |
| 13:52.40 | abrotman | liable: i did not pee on the fence! |
| 13:52.45 | aubergine | i upgraded glibc once a time to testing, since then there worked nothing :P |
| 13:52.52 | abrotman | dave_: nope .. one at a time |
| 13:53.11 | dave_ | thanks. Happy new year everyone! |
| 13:53.19 | ootput | dave_: yeah! |
| 13:53.31 | rootnoverify | ok, I have the error X.org gives me when I try to use the nvidia drivers: it tells me that the nvidia kernel module does NOT have the same version as the X module |
| 13:53.38 | paulswm | abrotman: Sorry, my fault, poor memory |
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| 13:53.44 | abrotman | paulswm: no peeing! |
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| 13:53.52 | ootput | anybody know if there's a way for me to use the downloaded files from jigdo in windows with jigdo in linux? |
| 13:53.58 | abrotman | liable: see .. i'm a weird person :) |
| 13:54.01 | aubergine | dave_: Yes this will affect everthing |
| 13:54.35 | liable | hahaha, thats pretty fucking funny :) |
| 13:55.02 | abrotman | liable: i do lots of bad tings ... |
| 13:55.06 | liable | abrotman: i dunno who's weirder though, you or perfdave |
| 13:55.11 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 13:55.23 | paulswm | liable: He climbed through it and got a shock, I am confusing his story with what one of my idiot school frends in the UK did many years ago, sorry abrotman |
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| 13:55.49 | abrotman | paulswm: it's ok .. you've probably got a lot of funny stories rattling around in there :) |
| 13:55.51 | liable | paulswm: no problem, theres no rules on irc :) |
| 13:58.05 | liable | paulswm: and that story was? |
| 13:58.50 | alex_joni_ | abrotman: thanks again, I'm off |
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| 14:00.01 | paulswm | liable: Just that he got a shock which of course broke the circuit, so it wasn't like a continuing series of jolts, he was just stupid enough to do it when we dared him to |
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| 14:00.31 | rootnoverify | how would i get an 'nvidia kernel module 1.0.8178'? cause the nvidia thing only generates a 1.0.7174 version?:( |
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| 14:00.53 | abrotman | does it really matter ? |
| 14:00.55 | liable | oh well, happy new year.. just spent it on irc .. :( |
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| 14:01.05 | abrotman | liable: better than with a sheep |
| 14:01.13 | diana | How do I have my monitor auto turn off after 5 minutes? |
| 14:01.17 | paulswm | liable: A happy and prosperous New Year to you |
| 14:01.19 | liable | abrotman: i am *not* a kiwi! |
| 14:01.25 | abrotman | diana: dpms |
| 14:01.31 | abrotman | liable: hehe |
| 14:01.39 | liable | abrotman: you are confusing me with Guerin |
| 14:01.44 | liable | :) |
| 14:01.47 | abrotman | liable: i know you're not a kiwi |
| 14:02.11 | liable | paulswm: cheers :) |
| 14:02.24 | paulswm | I assume he's a sheepsh^WAussie |
| 14:02.27 | paulswm | :P |
| 14:02.39 | relic | ... |
| 14:03.14 | diana | abrotman: I can't find dpms...with apt-get or on my system. |
| 14:03.19 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 14:03.21 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 14:03.21 | dpkg | methinks dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 14:03.36 | kspath | I think I will reinstall too much extra crap argh will do minimal and add only what I need |
| 14:03.41 | drivamgr2006 | wahay! dpkg hasnt got a hangover... |
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| 14:04.31 | abrotman | kspath: you could .. uninstall it ... |
| 14:04.35 | abrotman | kspath: deborphan |
| 14:04.47 | paulswm | drivamgr2006: That would be because dpkg, being in the US, is at least 15 hours away from 2006 :P |
| 14:05.14 | kspath | there is so much crap it will be faster to reinstall I keep my important stuff backed up anyways I can wipe any of my boxes with no real impact |
| 14:05.21 | drivamgr2006 | no paulswm ... dpkg sort of got excessivly drunk last night and started new year a bit early! |
| 14:05.25 | liable | besides the fact that ITS A FUCKING BOT! |
| 14:05.31 | liable | opps sorry :) |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | liable: YOU NEED A NEW KEYBOARD |
| 14:05.58 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 14:06.06 | liable | abrotman: no, it the fucktard driving it :) |
| 14:06.15 | kspath | liable: the 1950's 1960's and 1970's called they want their keyboards back |
| 14:06.17 | paulswm | drivamgr2006: Yes, I realize :) actually, I suppose you could consider it on California time, so that would be 18 hours away from 2006 :P |
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| 14:07.05 | kspath | I miss my old Apple ][+ with only uppercase 40 column |
| 14:07.13 | abrotman | freak! |
| 14:07.17 | kspath | 48K RAM |
| 14:07.22 | abrotman | i had an //e |
| 14:07.32 | kspath | I always wanted a Timex Sinclair |
| 14:07.43 | liable | why do you miss those days? |
| 14:08.17 | abrotman | liable: because you had free time while stuff compiled :) |
| 14:08.31 | liable | its like saying "man i wish the day of the model T ford without seatbelts was back" :) |
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| 14:08.59 | kspath | 1) there were not a billion people pretending to know how to do stuff computer geeks were a small crowd no one else pretended to know then |
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| 14:09.12 | Trigger13 | what was the tool to execute something every n seconds? i forgot |
| 14:09.28 | relic | triva? |
| 14:09.41 | asuffield | watch |
| 14:09.51 | mortal | Trigger13: sleep and while |
| 14:09.59 | abrotman | Trigger13: depends on what value n has |
| 14:10.02 | Trigger13 | i think watch was what i'm searching! |
| 14:10.07 | Trigger13 | thx guys |
| 14:10.16 | liable | kspath: and #2? |
| 14:10.29 | kspath | liable: list is quite long |
| 14:10.34 | abrotman | liable: ADD .. he got lost :) |
| 14:10.51 | liable | :) |
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| 14:10.59 | kspath | liable: do not get me wrong there is a lot to enjoy about today and near future |
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| 14:11.19 | liable | kspath: indeed. |
| 14:11.22 | kspath | how did I get in this channel? where are my pants? |
| 14:11.48 | paulswm | well I have been programming from 1968 onwards and I don't miss paper tape or puched cards or getting only 2 compilations a day or 16K core mainframes, etc, you tend to forget all the bad things when reminiscing |
| 14:12.01 | paulswm | scuse typos |
| 14:12.21 | liable | of course, thats human nature, remember the good shit.. |
| 14:12.35 | ootput | kspath: today and the near future is what it's all about |
| 14:13.06 | abrotman | paulswm: back then it wasn't programming .. more of stacking rocks .. |
| 14:13.27 | liable | rube goldburg installs! :) |
| 14:13.37 | paulswm | liable: And 4 (yes, four) MB removable drives the size of washing machines :P |
| 14:13.49 | kspath | paulswm: paper tape would/could tear punch cards could fall and get spread out paper cuts ink all over fingers mechanical jams |
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| 14:14.02 | liable | paulswm: haha, no shit? |
| 14:14.25 | paulswm | kspath: Exactly, which is why the good old days weren't the good old days :) |
| 14:14.49 | relic | in the time. where was RMS? |
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| 14:15.22 | liable | well the anolgy can be applied to any industry anyway.. |
| 14:15.43 | paulswm | liable: But the most awesome device with which I worked, perhaps one of the most awesome computing devices ever made, was Univac's FASTRAND drum: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/univac/fastrand.html |
| 14:16.19 | paulswm | They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
| 14:16.37 | liable | paulswm: you old bastard! :) |
| 14:16.39 | abrotman | speaking of .. i think i should buy a new laptop drive :) |
| 14:17.05 | Pixel83 | hehe, 2.25 tons... special reinforcements of the floor... |
| 14:17.08 | liable | haha, that should be a qotd |
| 14:17.24 | Pixel83 | ...for 90 MB |
| 14:17.30 | drivamgr2006 | imagine shoving one of them in yer workroom... it would wind up in yer cellar |
| 14:17.38 | ootput | woudl it be okay to transfer jigdo work from the windows script to a linux system? |
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| 14:19.13 | Lipo | Hey |
| 14:19.47 | Lipo | when i try to change keyboard module i get this http://pastebin.com/485317 |
| 14:20.00 | paulswm | Pixel83: Someone once described the FASTRAND unit as "a device for storing angular momentum" :P |
| 14:20.11 | kspath | lol |
| 14:20.40 | Pixel83 | wow, for 250GB you would have got a weight of 6400 tons if my calculations are correct... |
| 14:20.48 | liable | i would have liked to have grown up with the technology though and seen how much its changed. I really cant appreciate it from where i have started using it, but its interesting to see the old machines and would like to see how its matured.. |
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| 14:21.23 | kspath | change change is masked now |
| 14:21.46 | Lipo | liable, i would be more fun to be born in 2500 |
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| 14:22.24 | dimir | G'day! |
| 14:22.29 | liable | Lipo: i doubt it.. |
| 14:22.37 | Pixel83 | do you all know that star trek scene with scotty speaking into a mouse? :D |
| 14:22.47 | blondie | haha |
| 14:23.01 | Pixel83 | computer? compuuter! |
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| 14:23.18 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:23.18 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:23.34 | SerajewelKS | !abrotman |
| 14:23.34 | dpkg | somebody said abrotman was someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 14:23.43 | kspath | dnetc? |
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| 14:24.16 | abrotman | dnetc! |
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| 14:27.19 | abrotman | !qotd158 is <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
| 14:27.19 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 14:27.58 | liable | !beer abrotman |
| 14:28.11 | liable | !beer paulswm |
| 14:28.11 | smeagol | whats the best way to run sid? ...install sarge and "upgrade" or use a sid based distro? ie kanotix or mepis |
| 14:28.30 | abrotman | running a sid based distro is NOT running sid |
| 14:28.35 | initech | smeagol: get a sid install iso? |
| 14:28.38 | abrotman | initech: you live! |
| 14:28.50 | initech | yeah im still around :) |
| 14:28.56 | liable | a sid iso? |
| 14:28.56 | smeagol | thought i had the iso on the cd....no kernel to run though? |
| 14:29.06 | abrotman | i don't think they make sid isos lately |
| 14:29.14 | smeagol | mine wasnt..... |
| 14:29.17 | kspath | oh sorry my dawg ate my TPS reports |
| 14:29.45 | smeagol | somewhere on debian.org faqs it said you cant "install" sid |
| 14:29.55 | smeagol | likened it to an upgrade |
| 14:30.37 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:30.37 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:31.14 | smeagol | so i should install "testing" and go from there? |
| 14:31.49 | liable | smeagol: /msg dpkg sid faq and go from there... |
| 14:32.01 | Pixel83 | oh and: "one wag expressed surprise when the 1110 did not include special hardware for multiplying and dividing by 28" |
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| 14:35.21 | paulswm | Pixel83: Unless my math is wrong, 2.5 Imperial/US tons for 90MB is almost one ounce per byte :P |
| 14:35.36 | rizal | hai devi |
| 14:35.56 | paulswm | I mean 2.25 works out to 0.88 oz per MB |
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| 14:36.49 | Irrumator | Anyone have any idea how can I get HAL to mount a device at a point I specify? |
| 14:36.54 | Irrumator | I've been trying tons of shit with the damn .fdi files and nothing's working |
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| 14:37.30 | rizal | hai sdrnkamu |
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| 14:44.43 | blondie | o.O |
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| 14:45.08 | Pixel83 | paulswm, sorry, but I only calculate in decents units like kilograms :P |
| 14:45.09 | rizal | hai rene |
| 14:45.13 | Eulex | ssssmeagol |
| 14:45.37 | _rene_ | rizal: waaah, *swims fast* ;-) |
| 14:46.00 | rizal | hai dewi |
| 14:46.23 | bizkit | which timezone is used in #debian today for new year announcements? :-) |
| 14:46.37 | rizal | gmn kbr u |
| 14:46.59 | blondie | rizal: well quite |
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| 14:47.27 | rizal | gak tahu |
| 14:47.35 | blondie | speak English please |
| 14:47.56 | rizal | gak bisa |
| 14:48.08 | blondie | or is it a bot? :( |
| 14:48.34 | abrotman | rizal: english |
| 14:48.43 | rizal | jancuk |
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| 14:48.56 | blondie | I think it's a bot (or very retarded) |
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| 14:49.02 | liable | Irrumator: tried usbmount? |
| 14:49.03 | abrotman | or a retarded bot |
| 14:49.29 | rizal | gak asu |
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| 14:50.03 | rizal | hai dewi |
| 14:50.08 | liable | rizal: english or leave |
| 14:51.03 | rizal | leave |
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| 14:51.10 | blondie | yes leave |
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| 14:51.36 | rizal | asu |
| 14:51.55 | abrotman | !ops i'm not sure what's wrong with rizal .. but you could you please kick/ban |
| 14:51.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: i'm not sure what's wrong with rizal .. but you could you please kick/ban |
| 14:51.57 | liable | asuffield: mind +q rizal ?? |
| 14:52.05 | liable | !lose me |
| 14:52.06 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 14:53.39 | rizal | mlm |
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| 14:54.28 | liable | not that its any worse than us dribbling shit, but thats not the point.. :) |
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| 14:54.56 | rizal | anjing |
| 14:55.20 | DragonDav | how do i do a list with one file per line with the full path? |
| 14:55.22 | jouno | rizal: that's a Malay word for dog. |
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| 14:56.00 | rizal | km anjing |
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| 14:56.17 | asuffield | how surreal |
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| 14:56.45 | abrotman | !beer asuffield |
| 14:56.54 | liable | well, i'm outta cold beer, so g'night and have a good new years folks, be nice and all that shit. :) |
| 14:56.55 | asuffield | maybe it's a megahal that's been seeded with randomness |
| 14:56.56 | jouno | blondie: u r high voltage blonde. |
| 14:57.06 | blondie | er |
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| 14:57.26 | nertoa | I noticed that on gnu.org the GNU acct program is at version 6.3.2, but in Debian and other distros it is at version 6.3.5. How come? |
| 14:57.33 | streuner | country: ID - whois 202.95.134.34 |
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| 14:58.50 | rootnoverify | the nvidia installer tells me that CC isn't in my path, but how do I get it in there? |
| 14:59.09 | asuffield | nertoa: it can take years to get the gnu.org website updated |
| 14:59.12 | Pixel83 | edit /etc/profile I think |
| 14:59.27 | jouno | streuner: that is Jakarta, Indonesia. |
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| 14:59.40 | asuffield | the FSF is notorious for being the slowest-moving entity on the internet |
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| 14:59.58 | frozty | could any1 recommend a good X irc client for me? |
| 15:00.06 | streuner | jouno: most of the people there speak english, right? |
| 15:00.14 | stew | frozty: xterm -e irssi |
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| 15:00.27 | Pixel83 | frozty, xchat |
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| 15:00.36 | jouno | most is a vague term. i would say some. |
| 15:00.42 | nertoa | ok, thx |
| 15:00.43 | morti667 | hi |
| 15:00.55 | fred_ | Hi! |
| 15:00.58 | stew | jouno: some is more of a vague term than most |
| 15:01.14 | morti667 | i from argentine |
| 15:01.38 | luke_ | I am on Debian 3.1 Sarge at the mo, but am thinking about upgrading to the unstable tree, is anyone using this, and is this wise or not (this is only a PC for browsing and email etc) |
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| 15:01.40 | jouno | stew: either way, i am stewed. |
| 15:01.41 | fred_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:01.57 | stew | luke_: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
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| 15:02.07 | stew | fred_: /msg dpkg udev 2.6.12 |
| 15:02.08 | morti667 | i got a problem with the hsp56 modem |
| 15:02.14 | dbron | luke_: if you want a usable machine, you should probably stay with stable |
| 15:02.22 | jouno | is there a way to monitor who (by IP addr) is accessing my machine? |
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| 15:02.25 | Efezus | hello, i am debian newbie, pls how can i set firefox to be default brower when i click some link (not Konqueror) ? |
| 15:02.30 | stew | jouno: man netstat |
| 15:02.38 | luke_ | dbron, that bad? |
| 15:02.42 | fred_ | i have to type /msg? |
| 15:02.43 | streuner | jouno: ssh? |
| 15:02.46 | Pixel83 | jouno, accessing via what protocol? |
| 15:02.48 | stew | Efezus: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 15:02.48 | morti667 | i got debian sarge |
| 15:02.55 | dbron | luke_: when things go wrong with unstable, they can be very difficult to resolve, short of a rebuild |
| 15:02.56 | leeprior | i need to install tahoma.ttf in order to use steam under wine. How do i do this in debian? I have already installed msttcorefonts but this has no effect |
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| 15:03.12 | luke_ | dbron, okay thanks, will stay with Sarge thne. |
| 15:03.13 | luke_ | then |
| 15:03.28 | Efezus | stew: thanks, i ll try it |
| 15:03.29 | nkuttler | leeprior: you probably have to restart x or play with xset |
| 15:03.33 | stew | luke_: if you need some newer stuff on sarge /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:03.39 | luke_ | whats the current release cycle for Debian nowadays, 9 months? |
| 15:03.47 | jouno | Pixel83: i don't know. i would think common one would be http or ftp. |
| 15:03.48 | luke_ | thanks stew will have a look at that. |
| 15:03.49 | benjamindees | luke_, I doubt it |
| 15:04.02 | luke_ | benjamindees, hard times for the Debian folk? |
| 15:04.13 | stew | luke_: there is no set time, usually more like 2-3 years, /msg dpkg wir ; /msg dpkg siyh |
| 15:04.17 | benjamindees | luke_, no, 9 months is ridiculous and antiproductive |
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| 15:04.32 | Pixel83 | jouno, because php eg has a function to get the guest's ip... |
| 15:04.34 | luke_ | benjamindees, yea, I know suses 6 months is crazy |
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| 15:04.42 | morti667 | the hsp56 run in debian sarge?? |
| 15:04.51 | mdalek | is anyone getting this dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg_6.9.0.dfsg.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack) ? |
| 15:04.52 | blondie | closer to 9 years than 9 months ;) |
| 15:04.58 | luke_ | lol |
| 15:05.04 | stew | mdalek: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 15:05.37 | jouno | Pixel83: to be good, it would monitor and report on any protocols which i can select. |
| 15:05.37 | benjamindees | release schedules less than a year are for people who "test" linux, not those who use it |
| 15:05.59 | jouno | can gkrellm do that, with a proper plug-in? |
| 15:06.03 | benjamindees | luke_, but there's always testing/unstable |
| 15:06.03 | mne | hi guys. Is there a way to convert pcl to ps/pdf ? I heard imagemagick can do this, unfortunately it complains that there's no pcl6 command .. |
| 15:06.25 | dbron | !smite benjamindees |
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| 15:06.50 | dimir | Happy New Year!!!! ;-) \o/ |
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| 15:07.10 | fred_ | yes? where are u dimir? |
| 15:07.14 | Pixel83 | dimir, for most of use in her you're too early |
| 15:07.20 | fred_ | i still have 1 hour to go |
| 15:07.23 | jouno | dimir:where r u at? |
| 15:07.27 | blondie | Pixel83: in her? how rude |
| 15:07.30 | kombi_ | never done that before.. how do I mount a usb stick? |
| 15:07.37 | blondie | jouno: please speak English in here |
| 15:07.47 | dimir | Latvia |
| 15:07.56 | nkuttler | kombi_: look what dmesg says what device it is, mount it |
| 15:07.56 | Pixel83 | blondie, oops, in HERE! |
| 15:07.59 | dimir | 7 hours to go. |
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| 15:08.19 | jouno | blondie: ok, sweetie. |
| 15:08.21 | kombi_ | nkuttler: does that involve booting with the stick plugged in? |
| 15:08.29 | blondie | o.o |
| 15:08.35 | nkuttler | kombi_: no |
| 15:08.35 | dbron | kombi_: not necessarily |
| 15:09.01 | jouno | blondie: how many volts r u goimg to shock me with? |
| 15:09.12 | blondie | !u |
| 15:09.12 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:09.18 | blondie | same goes for "r" |
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| 15:10.10 | Vlad | hello, I can receive email (IMAP) but when I try to send send email through my mail client it will be returned. Anyone can help here? |
| 15:10.22 | kombi_ | nkuttler: dmesg just says the USB driver was registered.. |
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| 15:10.39 | blondie | Vlad: and what is the error message? |
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| 15:11.10 | Vlad | relay access denied |
| 15:11.20 | dbron | Vlad: imap is not a mail sending protocol |
| 15:11.33 | blondie | dbron: he didn't say it was :P |
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| 15:12.07 | Vlad | well, I don't really know what each of those things are :) I know that my mail account is imap and not pop3 ^^ |
| 15:12.10 | froztbyte | what's the debian update repository address? i installed from dvd without an active internet connection so the only source apt has is the disc |
| 15:12.26 | stew | Vlad: you need to talk to the admin of the smtp server you are trying to send through |
| 15:12.34 | stew | Vlad: or you need to authenticate to that smtp server |
| 15:12.50 | blondie | or, you need to setup your SMTP properly |
| 15:12.51 | stew | froztbyte: apt-setup |
| 15:12.55 | Vlad | how to set that? I have root access but a friend normally makes all those things but he's on holidays :( |
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| 15:13.07 | stew | Vlad: which mta are you running? |
| 15:13.26 | Vlad | how to find out @ stew ^^ |
| 15:13.39 | Vlad | my buddy was talking about courier and postfix and sendmail |
| 15:13.39 | luke_ | I have added testing and unstable to my sources.list for deb-src.... how can I check now that the new apps are listed or not? before downloading them with apt-get source <app>? |
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| 15:14.14 | Blissex | luke_: best thing is to use 'aptitude', much more comfortable for pick'n'choose |
| 15:14.17 | shining | I'm running a apache2 server with php support. When I open it on http://localhost/ it works fine, but whith http://hostname/ the php test script doesn't work |
| 15:14.31 | luke_ | aptitude, not synaptic? |
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| 15:14.41 | DevilChaos | abrotman: i have possible rootkit infection chkrootkit reports torn v8 rootkit how do i check if this is correct and if so how do i remove? |
| 15:14.45 | blondie | shining: what is the URL? |
| 15:14.46 | shining | it wants to download the php file instead of executing it |
| 15:14.47 | Blissex | luke_: Synaptic too, but Aptitude is more selective. |
| 15:14.53 | luke_ | thanks looking |
| 15:14.54 | shining | blondie: what? |
| 15:14.58 | Blissex | shining: MIME types. |
| 15:15.02 | blondie | what is the URL? |
| 15:15.09 | shining | the one I said |
| 15:15.19 | Blissex | shining: and the 'AddHandler' directive. |
| 15:15.23 | kspath | what is difference between xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xfree86-dbg three letters? or is dbg debug ? |
| 15:15.25 | blondie | shining: no, the real one |
| 15:15.32 | shining | Blissex: in which config file ? |
| 15:15.33 | DevilChaos | anyone? |
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| 15:15.45 | shining | blondie: it's a local server |
| 15:15.45 | blondie | shining: what browser are you using to test it? |
| 15:15.55 | Blissex | shining: the Apache one, and you should really ask in #Apache or something like that. |
| 15:15.55 | shining | firefox and konqueror |
| 15:16.09 | shining | Blissex: ok sorry |
| 15:16.26 | Blissex | shining: not a big problem... |
| 15:16.27 | blondie | when I've had things like that it's usually working but FF is being dumb and caching the broken script :\ |
| 15:16.31 | fred_ | hi again Stew.... can remove udev because of dependency problems |
| 15:16.43 | shining | blondie: I'll check again |
| 15:16.58 | Blissex | shining: it looks like you have configured Apache to process PHP pages only for the main site, not for any vhost |
| 15:17.00 | blondie | (you have to empty the cache before it'll try and actually download again) |
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| 15:17.01 | stew | fred_: why not install 2.6.12? |
| 15:17.18 | fred_ | cannot install because my kernel is 2.6.8 |
| 15:17.21 | shining | blondie: ho indeed |
| 15:17.26 | shining | blondie: it works with konqueror |
| 15:17.30 | stew | fred_: yes, why don't you install kernel 2.6.12? |
| 15:17.32 | shining | but not with firefox :p |
| 15:17.38 | paulswm | Pixel83: Sorry, was afk, my math was wrong anyway: the FASTRAND II was 24.8g per kb, or 24mg ber byte :P |
| 15:17.50 | stew | fred_: did you read the "udev 2.6.12" factoid? |
| 15:17.51 | blondie | shining: ah right, empty FF's cache :) |
| 15:18.03 | shining | Blissex: I think I left the default config |
| 15:18.07 | fred_ | no i didn't.. i just went from stable to testing |
| 15:18.10 | stew | !tell fred_ about udev 2.6.12 |
| 15:18.29 | shining | blondie: yes nice |
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| 15:18.36 | shining | blondie: thanks :) |
| 15:18.38 | blondie | :) |
| 15:18.44 | shining | but I don't understand what was happening |
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| 15:19.05 | fred_ | then when i want to install another kernel i end up with problems with yaird |
| 15:19.05 | blondie | shining: I expect you tried it using FF before it was working |
| 15:19.14 | fred_ | and yaird ends up with problem with udev |
| 15:19.17 | blondie | and it caches that, and refuses to try a clean version :\ |
| 15:19.29 | shining | blondie: ok |
| 15:19.51 | stew | fred_: show me what problems you had installing another kernel in a pastebin |
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| 15:20.23 | DevilChaos | stew : know anything nout checking and removing rootkits? |
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| 15:21.15 | stew | DevilChaos: there is rkhunter and chkrootkit and debsums |
| 15:21.34 | Vlad | stew: howto find out what mta is installed? |
| 15:21.35 | DevilChaos | rkhunter what does that do? |
| 15:21.47 | stew | Vlad: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 15:21.54 | stew | Vlad: you are going to have to ask the admin of the mta |
| 15:22.18 | Mega[out] | Please, help-me... http://channels.debian.net/paste/1423 |
| 15:22.23 | stew | DevilChaos: apt-cache show rkhunter |
| 15:22.24 | kombi_ | how do I mount an usb stick? can't find it in dmesg.. |
| 15:22.31 | stew | kombi_: /msg dpkg usb storage |
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| 15:22.43 | Vlad | stew: postfix: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 15:22.52 | arilix | imposibble |
| 15:22.54 | Vlad | so I assume its postfix? |
| 15:23.09 | arilix | 675 user |
| 15:23.14 | arilix | imposible |
| 15:23.38 | stew | Vlad: are you authenticating to the smtp server? |
| 15:23.45 | arilix | #wikipedia-fr |
| 15:23.54 | stew | Vlad: did this work previously and stopped working? |
| 15:24.02 | Mega[out] | somebody could try to help me? Thanks all. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1423 |
| 15:24.13 | stew | Mega[out]: have you tried make-kpkg clean? |
| 15:24.19 | arilix | ? |
| 15:24.26 | arilix | do speak english |
| 15:24.34 | Mega[out] | no stew, I try now. |
| 15:24.45 | arilix | hello |
| 15:24.46 | Vlad | stew: yes I am authenticating to the smtp server and then I got Relay access denied |
| 15:25.09 | stew | Vlad: look at /var/log/mail.log and see if you can spot errors when you authenticate |
| 15:25.32 | paulswm | Mega[out]: For a start, you don't have to modify ETRAVERSION in the make file, and, if you haven't already, try reading "7.1.1 Debian standard method" section in the Debian reference Manual re kernel compiling |
| 15:25.39 | arilix | HELLO |
| 15:25.45 | ViViD | dpkg still not giving package information?? |
| 15:25.58 | stew | arilix: if you have a debian related question, go ahead and ask it |
| 15:26.05 | stew | !hi ViViD |
| 15:26.12 | kombi_ | stew: how do I tell which device it is (that usb thingie) |
| 15:26.14 | stew | !hi |
| 15:26.14 | dpkg | hello, stew |
| 15:26.20 | arilix | i am not or question |
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| 15:26.29 | arilix | i am hello |
| 15:26.34 | stew | kombi_: if you have usb-storate and sd_mod loaded it should show up in dmesg when you plug it |
| 15:26.36 | ViViD | stew, package information is different than other commands |
| 15:26.43 | arilix | no auser |
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| 15:26.58 | ViViD | stew, and its working again, just taking a while |
| 15:27.19 | arilix | sympa |
| 15:27.53 | Vlad | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1424 |
| 15:27.54 | TNKS | hi all. I have a simple scripting question. What's the best way to grab all the lines prior to a line that matches some regular expression? I imagine this is easy to do with awk or sed, but I'm just not up to speed of those. |
| 15:28.18 | arilix | putain |
| 15:28.25 | arilix | ji capte te rien |
| 15:28.30 | paulswm | !tell arilix about fr |
| 15:28.32 | Vlad | hmmm, not all was pasted.. |
| 15:28.33 | arilix | a cette englai |
| 15:28.42 | arilix | quoi |
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| 15:28.54 | arilix | i am speak french |
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| 15:29.02 | stew | arilix: /join #debian-fr |
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| 15:29.07 | kombi_ | stew: usb-storage isn't loaded, do I do insmod? |
| 15:29.12 | arilix | merci |
| 15:29.13 | stew | !insmod |
| 15:29.13 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 15:29.14 | paulswm | arilix: Like dpkg said to you, go to #debian-fr |
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| 15:29.39 | arilix | yes thank you |
| 15:29.49 | Vlad | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1425 --> here's the whole thing |
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| 15:30.18 | fred_ | stew: i don't know how to do that... basically i try to install linux-image2.6.12 through apt-get and it fails because of a dependency problem, tells me to use -f. and this fails because it tries to install udev |
| 15:30.21 | paulswm | arilix: You're welcome :) |
| 15:30.24 | abrotman | oh well .. guess i won't help |
| 15:30.30 | arilix | thank |
| 15:30.32 | abrotman | stew: par-tay? |
| 15:30.37 | arilix | i am new |
| 15:31.37 | stew | abrotman: yeah, you coming over? |
| 15:31.43 | kombi_ | stew: modules are there but dmesg just says driver registered, even un- and replugged that stick, hrmpff.. |
| 15:31.57 | stew | Vlad: you aren't authenticating to postfix, you need to configure your mail client to send username and password |
| 15:32.15 | Vlad | I did... |
| 15:32.21 | viking | show me what happened |
| 15:32.26 | stew | fred_: did you read what dpkg told you about downloading from packages.debian.org and using dpkg -i? |
| 15:32.29 | abrotman | stew: will you get me drunk? |
| 15:32.32 | stew | abrotman: yes |
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| 15:32.53 | asg | did I hear drunk? |
| 15:33.27 | stew | dpkg: udev 2.6.12 |
| 15:33.27 | dpkg | if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from packages.debian.org and installing it with dpkg -i |
| 15:33.29 | stew | fred_: ^^^ |
| 15:33.39 | abrotman | asg: i don't thikn you're close enough |
| 15:33.40 | kombi_ | when I can't find my usb stick, what do I drink? |
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| 15:33.44 | fred_ | i am not sure i understand the question. i am checking my terminal history |
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| 15:33.59 | kspath | odd question from me an odd guy instead of X and xinerama is there a tool(s) that allow for me to have three console terms with my 3 video cards and 3 19inch monitors? |
| 15:34.00 | asg | abrotman: well, we did have mimosas with breakfast |
| 15:34.00 | dli | can I set a background job to nohup? |
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| 15:34.13 | abrotman | asg: you lush |
| 15:34.22 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 15:34.29 | fred_ | so apt-get won't install the kernel but dpkg will? |
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| 15:34.39 | sammy_ | greetings all |
| 15:34.41 | nkuttler | kombi_: it should really show up in dmesg. did you build your own kernel? |
| 15:34.46 | Vlad | stew: http://www.notkeriana.ch/email.gif |
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| 15:35.03 | sammy_ | damn |
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| 15:35.25 | verxion | I am getting dma_intr messages which seem to indicate that my hard disks are bad. In reading on the net, it sounds like it may be a problem with 2.4.x kernels and my via chipset. Can someone tell me what is involved in upgrading to 2.6.x kernel? I am worried about changes in things like iptables. . . |
| 15:35.29 | froztbyte | is there anybody from south africa here? |
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| 15:35.51 | asg | verxion: iptables works without modification on 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernels |
| 15:35.59 | stew | Vlad: does it ask you for a password when you try to send a message? |
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| 15:36.04 | Vlad | yes it did |
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| 15:36.17 | Vlad | Stew: not anymore, but the first time it did |
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| 15:36.57 | stew | Vlad: do you have smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated in /etc/postfix/main.cf? |
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| 15:37.24 | verxion | asg: Can I do just an "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7" to upgrade if I have an AMD Thunderbird 1.1ghz cpu? |
| 15:37.38 | asg | verxion: yes |
| 15:38.03 | stew | verxion: you are on sarge aka stable? |
| 15:38.09 | verxion | asg: And one other thing (sorry to bug ya here - MAJOR appreciate your help) - will that apt-get install command force a reboot, or can I reboot later? |
| 15:38.10 | Vlad | Stew: No, I don't see that: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1426 |
| 15:38.22 | asg | verxion: no, it won't force a reboot |
| 15:38.31 | verxion | stew: How do I verify? |
| 15:38.31 | asg | verxion: you can do that at your leisure |
| 15:38.37 | blondie | it's not Windows Update ;) |
| 15:38.44 | verxion | asg: Ok, cool - just have a few processes I want to let finish |
| 15:38.56 | asg | verxion: control is a wonderful thing :) |
| 15:39.00 | verxion | indeed |
| 15:39.01 | asg | blondie: thankfully |
| 15:39.01 | verxion | :) |
| 15:39.20 | stew | verxion: if cat /etc/debian_version says 3.1 you are likely on stable (and then you are doing the right thing) |
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| 15:39.24 | verxion | asg: Have you heard anything about this dma_intr error on via chipsets? |
| 15:39.43 | verxion | stew: It says 3.1 :) |
| 15:39.51 | asg | verxion: I haven't sorry. The times I've seen that on my machines was indicative of a dying hard drive though. |
| 15:40.04 | relic | what error? |
| 15:40.09 | verxion | asg: I am trying to avoid a dying hard drive |
| 15:40.13 | verxion | relic: One sec |
| 15:40.41 | relic | wow, the AUs is in 2006 |
| 15:40.49 | stew | Vlad: yeah that smtp server is not at all setup to allow relaying |
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| 15:40.54 | verxion | hdd: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 15:40.55 | asg | relic: as of 8am EST |
| 15:41.10 | fred_ | well 20 more minutes to go here... |
| 15:41.21 | relic | O.O |
| 15:41.32 | gb | .me falls asleep |
| 15:41.32 | Vlad | well, before there was pop3 on it and my buddy changed it to IMAP and since then it won't work... so I just need to add that line that you send me before? |
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| 15:41.51 | bizkit | verxion: disable dma? |
| 15:41.56 | curt | where do I go to ask about dedicated server and hosting? |
| 15:42.04 | kombi_ | what device is a usb stick usually? sda? sda1? |
| 15:42.09 | bizkit | curt: depens on where you're from |
| 15:42.19 | curt | bizkit, USA |
| 15:42.21 | verxion | bizkit: supposedly that suppresses these errors but still crashes |
| 15:42.32 | asg | kombi_: dmesg or /var/log/syslog should tell you. |
| 15:42.48 | verxion | bizkit: I read that 2.6.x kernels seem to fix it |
| 15:42.57 | bizkit | curt: sorry, i've no clue from the good hosters in the usa |
| 15:43.12 | curt | know of an irc for hosting general? |
| 15:43.16 | asg | curt: dreamhost.com is decent and provides Debian hosting |
| 15:43.32 | kombi_ | asg: could vcs be the one ? |
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| 15:43.48 | curt | i am throwing this channel way off topic i'll go search some more... |
| 15:43.53 | nkuttler | kombi_: did you build your own kernel? |
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| 15:43.58 | bizkit | verxion: if your drive is defect, 2.6 won't fix it |
| 15:44.01 | asg | kombi_: it will usually be sda or sda1 depending on the device and if you have other scsi hardware. |
| 15:44.06 | Vlad | stew: I just need to add that smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated to the main.cf? |
| 15:44.13 | relic | verxion, do you use wd/seagate hds? |
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| 15:44.31 | asg | kombi_: if you haven't already, /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 15:44.41 | relic | verxion, (wd?) |
| 15:44.46 | verxion | bizkit: Supposedly the problem is that 2.4.x doesn't properly support via chipsets |
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| 15:44.54 | verxion | relic: I run only maxtor disks |
| 15:45.09 | verxion | which I guess is now seacrate |
| 15:45.16 | verxion | since they bought maxtor |
| 15:45.19 | froztbyte | if i wanted to set up a mail server to retrieve and sort mail, can anyone point me to the correct documents for reading up on this? |
| 15:45.27 | relic | verxion, oh, I have via + maxtor... np |
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| 15:45.30 | asg | froztbyte: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 15:45.30 | luke_ | I wished amsn docked in gnome correctly :S |
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| 15:45.41 | verxion | relic: which via? |
| 15:45.42 | blondie | verxion: they haven't bought them yet |
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| 15:45.44 | takatumi | can't load java apps in firefox, used to work, what should I tweak? |
| 15:45.46 | asg | froztbyte: also, see the fetchmail or getmail packages and procmail (for sorting) |
| 15:45.46 | benjamindees | froztbyte, barnes & noble |
| 15:45.48 | bizkit | Vlad: at least yaou should use permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated |
| 15:45.57 | darkcmd | I don't see many similiarities between Debian and Ubuntu |
| 15:45.58 | bizkit | s/yaou/you/ |
| 15:45.59 | verxion | blondie: ahhh, thought it was a done deal. cool |
| 15:46.05 | relic | verxion, apro? |
| 15:46.07 | blondie | well it hasn't completed |
| 15:46.08 | darkcmd | people seem to think they are really close |
| 15:46.18 | asg | takatumi: make sure firefox's plugins directory has a link to the runtime (/msg dpkg mozilla java) |
| 15:46.28 | verxion | relic: I am on an abit kt7araid mobo |
| 15:46.29 | blondie | darkcmd: ubuntu is based on debian. |
| 15:46.38 | fred_ | back... dkpg worked.. happy.. should i reboot now? |
| 15:46.43 | blondie | it's a heavily customised debian |
| 15:46.44 | relic | verxion, haha... abit = |
| 15:46.47 | pearl | hey |
| 15:46.58 | verxion | actually, looks like this isn't the a |
| 15:47.00 | pearl | i wanna build a svcd from a .avi file |
| 15:47.02 | verxion | its just kt7 raid |
| 15:47.08 | pearl | i have encode it with mencoder, to .mpg |
| 15:47.23 | relic | verxion, I only trust dfi mbs |
| 15:47.30 | blondie | dfi? |
| 15:47.34 | relic | hehe |
| 15:47.36 | verxion | relic: My new mobo is a lanparty |
| 15:47.40 | bizkit | pearl: i think you'll get more help in #mplayer |
| 15:47.42 | verxion | relic: But it is broked |
| 15:47.52 | blondie | relic: has anyone other than you heard of that company? :P |
| 15:47.53 | verxion | relic: Been nothing but problems |
| 15:47.54 | relic | asus,msi,abit = s*** for me |
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| 15:48.14 | froztbyte | relic: true |
| 15:48.17 | bizkit | asus always worked fine for me |
| 15:48.25 | benjamindees | asus used to work great |
| 15:48.31 | Vlad | stew: now it's trying to connect to the smtp server but not doing anything more |
| 15:48.33 | verxion | asus and abit have rocked for me thus far |
| 15:48.42 | froztbyte | bizkit: depends on what you use it for |
| 15:48.54 | verxion | well, bbiaf |
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| 15:49.02 | froztbyte | when i recently upgraded to this pc (from a p3) i got an asrock m/b |
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| 15:49.14 | froztbyte | works quite well for me so far |
| 15:49.22 | rootnoverify | the nvidia setup tool tells me that CC isn't in my path, while gcc-3.3 is in /usr/bin, but I can't find gcc there.. should I make a symlink, or what should i do? |
| 15:49.29 | relic | asus,gigabyte,msi,abit = made in ...... |
| 15:49.35 | bizkit | froztbyte: so, if we talk about mainboards i used it for bleeding-edge clients and servers which have a uptime >3years. i had no problems |
| 15:49.37 | benjamindees | noticed the expensive Tyan motherboards support Linuxbios now... |
| 15:50.02 | relic | dfi > asus, I am sure |
| 15:50.14 | kspath | I like tyan and asus |
| 15:50.31 | relic | tyan is for servers |
| 15:50.36 | darkcmd | what's linuxbios? |
| 15:50.45 | bizkit | rootnoverify: you should use the packaged versions. if you won't, you can use CC=/path/to/right/gcc_version sh nvidia_installer_file |
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| 15:51.21 | benjamindees | darkcmd, http://www.linuxbios.org , boots faster, does neat stuff |
| 15:51.23 | froztbyte | bizkit: okay, i'll give you that one, but maybe it's just crappy for windows (my grandfather (electronic circuit designer) had some problems with them.. ) but i guess it depends what you run, eh? |
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| 15:52.14 | darkcmd | is this a replacement bios? |
| 15:52.17 | bizkit | froztbyte: sure it depends on what you expect to do with the hardware. saying asus is good is my personal experience for _me_ |
| 15:52.43 | froztbyte | bizkit: yup. to each his own |
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| 15:53.08 | benjamindees | darkcmd, yep |
| 15:53.21 | paulswm | darkcmd: http://www.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 15:53.54 | darkcmd | it isn't supported much I see |
| 15:54.26 | paulswm | No, not really, it elicited a big yawn from me I'm afraid |
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| 15:54.45 | darkcmd | yeah doesn't excite me much |
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| 15:54.56 | darkcmd | I hear GNU foundation are working on a free bios |
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| 15:56.09 | paulswm | darkcmd: Yeah well they've also been working on the HURD kernel for quite a while, so don't hold your breath :P |
| 15:57.00 | paulswm | That's not to diss them, relatively few people want to work for free |
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| 15:57.42 | resiak | paulswm: Over half of Debian's packages work on it! |
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| 15:58.27 | paulswm | resiak: I know - it's getting better, I just meant to highlight the relatively slow development time :) Like I said, not meant as a criticism |
| 15:58.32 | resiak | Yeah, I know :) |
| 15:59.08 | paulswm | resiak: At least they didn't copy the kernel out of a book :P |
| 15:59.23 | resiak | paulswm: Linux was written by the Easter bunny. |
| 15:59.42 | asg | resiak: Tannenbaum is the Easter Bunny? |
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| 16:00.06 | paulswm | resiak: Heh - I have the book, and I thought at the time, "wow, that would be an interesting project" and promptly dropped it, so I ain't so smart :P |
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| 16:00.52 | resiak | asg: Didn't you see Linus' press release about this stuff? When the AdTI claimed that Linus ripped Linux from Minix, he released a statement saying "It's true, I didn't write Linux. I've been meaning to come clean for years. It was Santa and the Easter Bunny." |
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| 16:02.02 | asg | resiak: I just added an extra twist to that quote :p |
| 16:02.21 | resiak | asg: Heh |
| 16:02.54 | paulswm | I thought that the Tooth Fairy wrote the scheduling code |
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| 16:03.39 | SimonRaven | hey, the scheduling code in 2.6 is nice, don't knock it ;) |
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| 16:04.05 | SlayerXP | !be a scheduling barbie |
| 16:04.05 | dpkg | Aww, scheduling is hard! Let's go shopping, slayerxp |
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| 16:05.08 | SimonRaven | !be a scheduling barbie =~ s/hard/HARD/ |
| 16:05.09 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'be a scheduling barbie' to modify, SimonRaven |
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| 16:05.54 | bluefox83 | where can i get help configuring my linksys 4 port router from inside linux? |
| 16:06.11 | SlayerXP | bluefox83: www.linksys.com at a guess. |
| 16:06.13 | asg | bluefox83: doesn't is have a web interface? |
| 16:06.28 | bluefox83 | asg, yeah but it only works for IE |
| 16:06.36 | jjazz | bluefox83, doubtful |
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| 16:06.44 | abrotman | bluefox83: that's bullshit |
| 16:06.48 | bluefox83 | jjazz, what is doubtful? |
| 16:06.53 | jbroome | bluefox83: no, it works with all browsers. |
| 16:06.54 | asg | bluefox83: not any linksys I've ever worked with |
| 16:06.54 | abrotman | jjazz: btw .. you fucking suck! |
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| 16:07.18 | jbroome | hell i've connected to a linksys config page from my palm. and that's definitly not IE |
| 16:07.23 | abrotman | jjazz: i hope steinbrenner gets caught iwth his pants down and cashman at his crotch! |
| 16:07.30 | LuiismariiO | donde puedo descargar debian en espaņol? |
| 16:07.32 | bizkit | lish: where are you from? :) |
| 16:07.33 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:07.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:07.53 | lish | bizkit: Here is China ,the new year is coming |
| 16:08.13 | bluefox83 | asg, then, maybe you can help me get mine working, i haven't been able to figure out how to get it to do port forwarding and such |
| 16:08.17 | paulswm | dpkg: cmd: be a (.*?) barbie =~ s/hard/HARD/ |
| 16:08.17 | dpkg | OK, paulswm |
| 16:08.20 | bizkit | lish: well, some time left here :-) |
| 16:08.27 | abrotman | wtf does port forwarding have to do with IE ? |
| 16:08.30 | paulswm | !be a scheduling barbie |
| 16:08.30 | dpkg | Aww, scheduling is HARD! Let's go shopping, paulswm |
| 16:08.35 | SimonRaven | doh! |
| 16:08.43 | abrotman | bluefox83: it's also OT here .. it's your linksys router .. read the damn instructions |
| 16:08.56 | paulswm | !gampsmack SimonRaven |
| 16:09.16 | SimonRaven | thank you |
| 16:09.19 | paulswm | :P |
| 16:09.28 | abrotman | !squirrelsmite SimonRaven |
| 16:09.28 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 16:09.33 | thingfish | that factoid is marginally offensive. |
| 16:09.35 | scotty-dog | lish: Are you a Catherine Wheel fan, by chance? |
| 16:09.46 | SlayerXP | dpkg: cmd: gampsmack =~ s/gay/gay asian/ |
| 16:09.46 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd: gampsmack' to modify, SlayerXP |
| 16:09.51 | abrotman | thingfish: that's only part of the meening of GAMP |
| 16:10.00 | thingfish | fine |
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| 16:10.24 | abrotman | !phillysmite thingfish |
| 16:10.30 | asg | thingfish: the same could be said of 'lart' but it's a long standing part of Unix / Net culture. |
| 16:10.44 | jbroome | so is goatse, but we don't want it. :) |
| 16:10.53 | SlayerXP | asg: http://www.hinterlands.org/lart.jpg |
| 16:11.00 | verxion | relic: you still here? |
| 16:11.14 | SimonRaven | !cmd: gampsmack (.*?) =~ s/gay/gay asian/ |
| 16:11.16 | relic | you think? |
| 16:11.18 | bizkit | SlayerXP: i like that book :p |
| 16:11.19 | verxion | heh |
| 16:11.27 | asg | SlayerXP: oh, nice. I should get one to go with my 'Practical Unix Terrorism' O'Really Shirt. |
| 16:11.28 | verxion | relic: Sorry, was afk, just got back |
| 16:11.31 | resiak | dpkg: cmd: gampsmack (.*?) =~ s/gay/gay asian/ |
| 16:11.31 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 16:11.34 | resiak | !win me |
| 16:11.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
| 16:11.42 | SlayerXP | asg: it's my image, feel free to do anything you like with it |
| 16:11.46 | verxion | relic: So I have a lanparty dfi board, it has 2gb of ram in it (2 1gb ocz dimms) |
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| 16:11.55 | dvs | resiak: Well, you asked... |
| 16:11.59 | SimonRaven | !kill resiak |
| 16:12.08 | SimonRaven | with a whip? |
| 16:12.08 | verxion | relic: I just got two identical 1gb ocz dimms, and tried to plug them in - the dfi board won't even boot |
| 16:12.12 | asg | SlayerXP: Sweet. I'll make a cafepress shirt. |
| 16:12.21 | leafwiz | Anyone know of a good rescue PXE boot disk/file? |
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| 16:12.36 | relic | I perfer to use cheap rams |
| 16:12.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:12.41 | SimonRaven | good and pxe in the same sentence is an oxymoron |
| 16:12.43 | abrotman | i think thingfish was not amused |
| 16:12.49 | bizkit | verxion: check the manual if you may plug in such big dimms on both banks the same time |
| 16:12.51 | leafwiz | :P |
| 16:12.54 | SimonRaven | nope |
| 16:12.58 | kombi_ | this board comes with RTL8201CL, which module should one choose when installing stable? |
| 16:13.00 | relic | ocz,corsar? = S*** for me |
| 16:13.00 | jbroome | is he a gay asian midget? |
| 16:13.08 | abrotman | no |
| 16:13.12 | abrotman | well .. not that i know of |
| 16:13.17 | relic | overpriced |
| 16:13.21 | verxion | bizkit: The manual is a piece of crap (its a DFI board) - it doesn't even mention this |
| 16:13.25 | leafwiz | Like instead of a boot-cd |
| 16:13.37 | SimonRaven | maybe the board is crap ;) |
| 16:13.48 | verxion | SimonRaven: it seems that way |
| 16:13.49 | relic | I don't need a menual |
| 16:13.52 | SimonRaven | leafwiz: the floppy images... |
| 16:13.57 | valdyn | verxion: remove one dimm, try again |
| 16:14.33 | verxion | valdyn: I tried replacing ONE of the old dimms with one new one, wouldn't boot. swapped the new dimm with the OTHER new dimm, still wouldn't boot |
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| 16:14.38 | abrotman | relic: take a spell checker instead ? |
| 16:14.40 | verxion | valdyn: then I put the old dimm back in, boots fine |
| 16:14.47 | relic | dfi is the OEM mbs in the past |
| 16:15.02 | leafwiz | SimonRaven: I need an PXE boot loader |
| 16:15.21 | valdyn | verxion: so a) these dimms are broken or b) its DDR2 dimms where you board only takes DDR or c) that board just doesnt take dimms of that size |
| 16:15.22 | abrotman | verxion: ask #hardware .. not related to debian |
| 16:15.30 | SimonRaven | leafwiz: so go get one. there's a few around. see www.ltsp.org |
| 16:15.44 | relic | umm |
| 16:15.53 | dvs | valdyn: DDR2 dimms can fit into DDR slots? |
| 16:15.55 | verxion | abrotman: good point - sorry about that - relic was saying that dfi rocked, thought he might know what was wrong |
| 16:16.01 | valdyn | dvs: no idea |
| 16:16.09 | dvs | valdyn: I hope not |
| 16:16.15 | relic | let's go back the road |
| 16:16.16 | bizkit | valdyn: or they are not identical, however you said it. check if both are non-ecc or ecc |
| 16:16.31 | verxion | valdyn: the new dimms are the same part number as the old dimms. . . |
| 16:16.42 | bizkit | i meant verxion |
| 16:16.48 | bizkit | =) |
| 16:16.54 | verxion | heh |
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| 16:18.06 | leafwiz | SimonRaven: Okay, thx |
| 16:18.14 | bizkit | dpkg should detect such times of inactivity and throw in some crap to talk about |
| 16:18.21 | abrotman | i said that once |
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| 16:18.30 | SimonRaven | no you don't want that |
| 16:18.32 | verxion | would you all recommend installing kernel-image-2.6-k7 or kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ? |
| 16:18.32 | darkcmd | dpkg: hi |
| 16:18.33 | dpkg | niihau |
| 16:18.41 | SimonRaven | trust me, a blootbot on chatty mode is irritating |
| 16:18.51 | paulswm | Indeed |
| 16:18.59 | bizkit | SimonRaven: he'll lose >8] |
| 16:19.00 | abrotman | !cookie |
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| 16:19.07 | SimonRaven | esp. with a db like dpkg has... |
| 16:19.32 | darkcmd | !cookie |
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| 16:19.38 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 16:19.38 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 16:19.38 | SimonRaven | 8+ MB of crap, with ~2 MB of useful stuff |
| 16:19.41 | abrotman | SimonRaven: what do you mean? |
| 16:19.49 | bizkit | abrotman: this is like in the xxx chans on efnet, do a cookie there and you'll have fun |
| 16:20.13 | verxion | would you all recommend installing kernel-image-2.6-k7 or kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ? |
| 16:20.23 | SimonRaven | well, i exaggerate (sp?) |
| 16:20.30 | SimonRaven | @dict exaggerate |
| 16:20.32 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'exaggerate' (1 of 4): \Ex*ag"ger*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Exaggerated}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Exaggerating} . ] [L. exaggeratus, p. p. of exaggerare to heap up; ex out + aggerare to heap up, fr. agger heap, aggerere to bring to; ad to + gerere to bear. See {Jest}. ] 1. To heap up; to accumulate. [Obs.] "Earth exaggerated upon them [oaks and firs]." ... |
| 16:20.34 | verxion | I assume that the 2.6-k7 would auto-upgrade to 2.6.9 when it comes out? |
| 16:20.37 | usn | hi folx |
| 16:20.44 | abrotman | bizkit: you have a weird sense of fun :) |
| 16:20.48 | darkcmd | folx? |
| 16:20.51 | darkcmd | @dict folx |
| 16:20.53 | ravenbird | could not find definition for folx |
| 16:21.00 | darkcmd | dang |
| 16:21.01 | bizkit | should be fools |
| 16:21.04 | bizkit | :p |
| 16:21.05 | paulswm | Heh |
| 16:21.39 | cw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:21.47 | abrotman | !cookie |
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| 16:21.48 | benjamindees | verxion, either will upgrade, but the only upgrades to Stable are security patches |
| 16:21.57 | abrotman | bizkit: see ... full of useless crap :) |
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| 16:22.13 | verxion | benjamindees: s/upgrade/update - sorry |
| 16:22.16 | bizkit | abrotman: hehe |
| 16:23.11 | darkcmd | !version |
| 16:23.12 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:23.24 | darkcmd | hahaha |
| 16:23.30 | paulswm | Not just crap, but... |
| 16:23.31 | paulswm | !hc |
| 16:23.32 | dpkg | Horse Crap |
| 16:23.36 | bizkit | :o |
| 16:23.41 | darkcmd | !wtf |
| 16:23.54 | SimonRaven | that's an internal command |
| 16:23.56 | darkcmd | !botsmack |
| 16:23.58 | kombi_ | which module do you use for the RTL8201 chip? |
| 16:24.03 | SimonRaven | !wtf foo |
| 16:24.04 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 16:24.12 | darkcmd | !wtf is wtf |
| 16:24.13 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 16:24.28 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 16:24.29 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 16:24.29 | darkcmd | kombi_: have you checked for support of that device under Linux |
| 16:24.34 | SimonRaven | !wtf /usr/games/wtf |
| 16:24.36 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 16:24.40 | darkcmd | paulswm: you just abused the bot :D |
| 16:24.40 | beardy | @wtf wtf |
| 16:24.43 | SimonRaven | hrm |
| 16:24.52 | paulswm | darkcmd: :P |
| 16:25.05 | kombi_ | darkcmd: googled with no luck, I remember there was some site devoted to lan cards.. |
| 16:25.09 | bizkit | dpkg should learn to strip for us, nasty asswipe |
| 16:25.12 | dino4k | does someone know a way to play wmv (etc) files on a linux box running on an amd64 arch? |
| 16:25.25 | beardy | !fix bizkit |
| 16:25.36 | abrotman | dino4k: pure64? |
| 16:25.37 | darkcmd | !tell dino4k about w32codecs |
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| 16:25.40 | SimonRaven | DRM-encumbered POS... |
| 16:25.45 | abrotman | darkcmd: notice W32!!! |
| 16:25.51 | paulswm | !prise bizkit |
| 16:25.53 | abrotman | darkcmd: as in .. not w64 :) |
| 16:25.54 | dino4k | darkcmd: doesnt work on amd_64_ |
| 16:26.00 | abrotman | !lose darkcmd |
| 16:26.01 | dpkg | darkcmd: You Lose. |
| 16:26.09 | darkcmd | it should... I thought 64bit machines ran 32 bit code |
| 16:26.11 | verxion | anyone know roughly how long a dd of 50gb should take? :) |
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| 16:26.17 | abrotman | darkcmd: yes .. they do .. |
| 16:26.22 | bizkit | dpkg: deepthroat? |
| 16:26.24 | benjamindees | kombi_, try sis900 |
| 16:26.24 | dvs | verxion: Doh! |
| 16:26.25 | darkcmd | then.. why won't that work |
| 16:26.26 | beardy | verxion: Until it's ready. |
| 16:26.29 | abrotman | darkcmd: but pure64 does not .. neither would win64 if it were pure64 |
| 16:26.36 | verxion | beardy: excellent, thx |
| 16:26.37 | mithro | hi! do you know where I might be able to find some people intrested in packaging my software for debian? |
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| 16:26.46 | abrotman | darkcmd: would you like a very long lecture on computers and how they work? |
| 16:26.51 | beardy | verxion: Depends on the disks aswell. |
| 16:26.57 | darkcmd | abrotman: sorry I made a mistake |
| 16:26.58 | verxion | mithro: what does your sw do? |
| 16:27.01 | darkcmd | no need to cut me down |
| 16:27.11 | Nirgal | æ°åđīåĨ―! |
| 16:27.15 | darkcmd | fucking elitist bastards |
| 16:27.31 | bizkit | >8] |
| 16:27.39 | abrotman | darkcmd: sorry :) |
| 16:27.44 | darkcmd | abrotman :D |
| 16:27.52 | beardy | heh |
| 16:28.10 | darkcmd | my neck hurts |
| 16:28.11 | abrotman | dino4k: have you tried ... erm .. gstreamer ? |
| 16:28.19 | darkcmd | I think I slept funny |
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| 16:28.46 | beardy | No, it's the elitist bastards that did their magic on you. |
| 16:28.48 | abrotman | darkcmd: apparently affected your understanding of computers too :) |
| 16:28.52 | kombi_ | I thought the driver trouble with onboard lan chips was over, can someone point me to a resource? |
| 16:29.08 | abrotman | kombi_: which controller ? |
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| 16:29.22 | bizkit | kombi_: kernel.org changelogs, have fun |
| 16:29.29 | kombi_ | abrotman: RTL8201 |
| 16:29.57 | abrotman | kombi_: google ? |
| 16:30.11 | kombi_ | did.. |
| 16:30.15 | abrotman | kombi_: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=RTL8201+debian+driver&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 16:31.00 | beardy | kombi_: Exactly what did you do when googling? |
| 16:31.49 | darkcmd | beardy: heh |
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| 16:32.30 | bizkit | is there a more beautiful way instead of perl -e "use MIME::Base64;print decode_base64('SEFQUFkgTkVXIFlFQVIgMjAwNg=='),\"\n\";" ? never did much with perl |
| 16:32.44 | paulswm | good lord |
| 16:32.49 | bizkit | :o |
| 16:32.50 | netman1 | Hi All. How do I set the priority of the questions for the installation of 1 extra package from the command-line to 'low'? |
| 16:32.54 | kombi_ | beardy: starting to hate google these days.. found something with abrotmans string though |
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| 16:33.03 | paulswm | bizkit: That is really fugly, congratulations :P |
| 16:33.07 | abrotman | netman1: dpkg-reconfigure -plow <pkgname> |
| 16:33.09 | bizkit | paulswm: hehe |
| 16:33.20 | netman1 | abrotman: Thanks |
| 16:33.22 | peterS | abrotman: isn't -plow the default anyway? |
| 16:33.30 | abrotman | peterS: define default :) |
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| 16:33.34 | beardy | kombi_: Hating it doesn't help. Why do you hate it? |
| 16:33.48 | peterS | abrotman: default, meaning, if you run dpkg-reconfigure with or without it, it does the same thing |
| 16:33.59 | takatumi | asg: I do have /usr/lib/firefox/libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so, still no dice. |
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| 16:34.02 | abrotman | peterS: i'm honestly not sure .. i thought it ran with the level you told debconf during base-config |
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| 16:34.35 | peterS | abrotman: no I think it overrides that level on the assumption that since you're running dpkg-reconfigure explicitly (not just configuring as part of installing), you really *do* want to see the questions |
| 16:34.40 | abrotman | peterS: but i did answer his question! :) |
| 16:34.41 | dino4k | abrotman: sry, tel - no, never heard about... i'll take a look ;9 |
| 16:34.46 | peterS | yes |
| 16:34.50 | SimonRaven | bizkit: eh, not really |
| 16:35.12 | kombi_ | beardy: I know, I hate it because it's results are just as bad and polluted as alta vista's in 1999.. |
| 16:35.21 | bizkit | SimonRaven: this one-liner looks like crap :p |
| 16:35.37 | beardy | kombi_: Often that's true yes.. |
| 16:35.45 | abrotman | dino4k: that's the only thing i can think of .. mplayer/xine etc .. depend on those w32codecs for wmv .. though .. vlc might also work |
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| 16:36.06 | beardy | kombi_: But it also depends on what you're looking for, and how, but to a degree, I agree with you. |
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| 16:36.13 | SimonRaven | bizkit: yes, but it works. hide it in a script :P |
| 16:36.35 | abrotman | dino4k: make sense ? |
| 16:36.45 | abrotman | dino4k: of course .. you could also ask #debian-amd64 :) |
| 16:36.53 | dino4k | abrotman: good idea ;) |
| 16:36.54 | beardy | kombi_: Please tell us if you have a better one. (I haven't) |
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| 16:37.31 | kombi_ | so the oracle (by the name of google) says, you can use the sis900 modulte for the RTL8201 chip, but the installer says it couldn't load it, ca me gonfle! |
| 16:37.47 | abrotman | kombi_: what kernel ? |
| 16:38.04 | kombi_ | 2.4 I think (stable CD-image) |
| 16:38.18 | kombi_ | could try expert26.. |
| 16:38.25 | beardy | kombi_: Do that. |
| 16:38.30 | kombi_ | ok.. |
| 16:38.35 | abrotman | kombi_: try linux26 |
| 16:38.40 | dvs | kombi_: Why not linux26 |
| 16:38.41 | abrotman | or expert26 .. whatever |
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| 16:38.49 | abrotman | beardy: do you actually have a beard? |
| 16:38.59 | shadow98 | what is another paste site besides pastebin |
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| 16:39.10 | abrotman | !paste |
| 16:39.11 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 16:39.11 | peterS | !paster |
| 16:39.12 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 16:39.18 | beardy | abrotman: Yeah, not a unixbeard though, but sometime perhaps.. |
| 16:39.34 | beardy | abrotman: Are you really a man ;) |
| 16:39.37 | abrotman | beardy: just making sure you weren't like paulswm .. who can't even swim |
| 16:39.43 | dvs | ahahhahaha |
| 16:39.46 | cmdKeen | tarzeau, can you change level set in BubBros please ? or join if you wish;) |
| 16:39.49 | abrotman | beardy: so i've been told |
| 16:40.05 | beardy | abrotman: :) |
| 16:40.07 | abrotman | beardy: though i've been known to wear an umbrella hat or two |
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| 16:40.27 | paulswm | abrotman: ??? I could swim before I could walk, not sure I get it, I am none too smart at weekends |
| 16:40.47 | paulswm | Or weekdays |
| 16:40.57 | abrotman | paulswm: i've tried to figure out what the swm is for .. and swim was all i could come up with :) |
| 16:41.05 | paulswm | Ah |
| 16:41.11 | bluefox83 | damnit, java wont freakin work in mozilla-firefox =( |
| 16:41.25 | relic | ? |
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| 16:41.32 | abrotman | bluefox83: install java .. use java-package .. restart FF |
| 16:41.34 | paulswm | ABaer: That was so subtle it couldn't be found with a microscope :P |
| 16:41.39 | bluefox83 | installed the damn files and it still wont work |
| 16:41.40 | beardy | super-window-manager |
| 16:41.42 | abrotman | paulswm: ah ok |
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| 16:42.01 | relic | we don't need java, we need javascript |
| 16:42.06 | paulswm | abrotman: Actually, psw would be IBM Program Status Word |
| 16:42.32 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 16:42.35 | ceplma00 | Am I the only who after upgrading to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-1 got screwed keyboard (in my case Compose doesn't work) |
| 16:42.47 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 16:42.47 | ceplma00 | ? |
| 16:42.53 | relic | ? |
| 16:43.00 | paulswm | ? |
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| 16:43.04 | beardy | ? |
| 16:43.11 | relic | ?! |
| 16:43.22 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: damn do you guys not have a life not even a little bit? it's NEW YEAR |
| 16:43.29 | kombi_ | expert26 does not load sis900 either... |
| 16:43.34 | ceplma00 | not yet :-) |
| 16:43.49 | beardy | tarzeau: What are you doing here yourself? |
| 16:43.54 | kombi_ | if only I hadn't just ordered two of those boards to put debian on.. |
| 16:44.03 | peterS | that's what I was about to ask. why is tarzeau here too |
| 16:44.14 | cmdKeen | cmdKeen, I have 17:46 here and I haven't played since last time with you;) |
| 16:44.20 | bizkit | tarzeau: some time left, isn't it? :-) ..wish you a happy new year |
| 16:44.26 | tarzeau | beardy: i've just prepared myself to go out |
| 16:44.35 | tarzeau | happy new year to you all too |
| 16:44.42 | beardy | tarzeau: Like anyone will believe it ;) |
| 16:44.44 | paulswm | tarzeau: Happy New Year, buddy |
| 16:44.45 | tiCo89 | cye, good new year =) |
| 16:44.52 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: maybe until tomorrow, okey? =) |
| 16:44.55 | cmdKeen | tarzeau, , New Yer will start in few hour, till then BubBroe;) |
| 16:44.57 | beardy | tarzeau: Happy New year, have fun out :) |
| 16:45.04 | tarzeau | tiCo89: ya, you go to zurich when? |
| 16:45.28 | peterS | I don't see any known australians here. guess they're all celebrating the 2006 that has already come to them |
| 16:45.36 | relic | blahdebla1, when is the 3th new year of 2006? |
| 16:45.37 | abrotman | peterS: liable was here |
| 16:45.50 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: i'm there the whole day tomorrow, make no sense to go home after the party |
| 16:45.51 | darkcmd | its not even noon where I am at |
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| 16:46.09 | peterS | darkcmd: true for all of north america except I think brazil |
| 16:46.13 | tarzeau | tiCo89: örlike? |
| 16:46.20 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: you've got my number, haven't you? |
| 16:46.27 | peterS | I mean all of north *and* south america, except brazil |
| 16:46.32 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: kloten, but i go to zurich after |
| 16:46.35 | paulswm | peterS: You're right, the sheepsha^WAussies are prolly all smashed :P |
| 16:46.36 | dvs | petemc: No, Newfoundland |
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| 16:46.43 | peterS | dvs: ahh right |
| 16:46.50 | tarzeau | tiCo89: ya... i heard it's raining in zurich... |
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| 16:47.02 | dvs | peterS: Actually even the Atlantic time zone too |
| 16:47.04 | bizkit | peterS: there was someone from asia in here, they have 2006 :> |
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| 16:47.31 | cmdKeen | In Ostrava (Czech. Rep.) there is too much snow... traffic almost stoped |
| 16:47.35 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: easy, i've to go now, if it's boring tomorrow you call me ;-) |
| 16:47.36 | tiCo89 | cya |
| 16:47.36 | eusomal | aew |
| 16:47.43 | dvs | cmdKeen: You can have ours! |
| 16:47.44 | peterS | bizkit: singapore is still in 2005, I think (for the next 12 minutes). not sure what bits of asia are in 2006 yet. japan, korea, I guess |
| 16:47.50 | tarzeau | tiCo89: have fun |
| 16:47.51 | bizkit | here in middle europe still six hours are left |
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| 16:48.09 | plb | so debian will not be using the modular xorg? |
| 16:48.16 | tarzeau | plb: why not? |
| 16:48.17 | peterS | plb: of course it will |
| 16:48.19 | g3brown | I'm using Sarge. I understand the basics of mount and umount. I would like to mount an ext. drive at boot if it exists. If I put it in fstab and the drive isn't present during boot, I get an error that stops the os from booting. What's the best way to accomplish what I'm looking to do? |
| 16:48.23 | abrotman | plb: they will .. when they get to it :) |
| 16:48.30 | plb | erm sorry i worded it wrong |
| 16:48.39 | gnube | ldconfig is whining that various libblah.so is not a symbolic link, is this a problem? |
| 16:48.43 | paulswm | petemc: .sg is 48 mins into 2006 |
| 16:48.47 | plb | what is the reason for using 6.9 over 7? |
| 16:48.54 | eusomal | ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd |
| 16:49.01 | peterS | paulswm: my bad, I thought it was an hour back from that |
| 16:49.09 | cmdKeen | dvs, yours what ? |
| 16:49.10 | abrotman | plb: they havent' finished packaging the modular version yet afaik |
| 16:49.11 | peterS | plb: debian is *not yet* using the modular x.org. but david is working on it |
| 16:49.14 | bizkit | g3brown: write an init script which checks for the drive, if present mounts it. add the fstab entry using noauto as an option |
| 16:49.15 | dvs | cmdKeen: snow |
| 16:49.19 | plb | ah ok thanks |
| 16:49.20 | paulswm | peterS: Was just talking to someone from .sg :) |
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| 16:49.37 | takatumi | peterS: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/multicountdowna.html :) |
| 16:49.38 | beardy | g3brown: or just mount it when you plug it in |
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| 16:49.47 | peterS | paulswm: wait, someone from sg is on irc when the new year turns over? loser. |
| 16:49.49 | eusomal | dddddddddddddddddddd |
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| 16:49.57 | bizkit | eusomal: whats up? |
| 16:50.06 | g3brown | beardy: you mean type mount after I plug it in? |
| 16:50.09 | ke6isf | eusomal: Is your cat trying to talk to us? |
| 16:50.10 | cmdKeen | dvs, I don't think there CAN be MORE snow;) |
| 16:50.11 | bizkit | problems with your keyboard? :p |
| 16:50.14 | beardy | geli: Yes. |
| 16:50.16 | peterS | takatumi: I prefer constructs like 'TZ=Australia/Melbourne date' |
| 16:50.20 | abrotman | !br |
| 16:50.21 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:50.30 | takatumi | peterS: I'm sure. |
| 16:50.34 | beardy | g3brown: Yes. |
| 16:50.42 | peterS | takatumi: where 'Australia/Melbourne' is something you can get from a directory listing in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ |
| 16:50.45 | bizkit | ke6isf: you saw that picture of the login cracking cat sitting on the keyboard using bruteforce? :p |
| 16:51.01 | benjamindees | g3brown, did you give up on your SATA controller? |
| 16:51.37 | g3brown | benjamindees: no I got it all working (sort of). |
| 16:51.52 | blondie | peterS: need to be on IRC, just to see if it records 23:59:60 |
| 16:51.55 | gnube | http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/multicountdowna.html <--- requires JRE |
| 16:51.59 | gnube | ewww |
| 16:52.09 | peterS | gnube: ewwww indeed |
| 16:52.15 | gnube | :^) |
| 16:52.27 | peterS | blondie: ha, that's client-side, just do a shell loop with 'date' and 'sleep 0.5' |
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| 16:52.41 | blondie | :P |
| 16:52.42 | peterS | of course, that still requires being something of a geek |
| 16:52.49 | blondie | -something of |
| 16:53.02 | peterS | blondie: right, right. anyway, xdaliclock is even better |
| 16:53.03 | blondie | I shall do that |
| 16:53.11 | benjamindees | g3brown, I'm not sure about Debian, but I don't think a missing disk in fstab should stop the system from booting... |
| 16:53.21 | predius_ | guys, in which package is dig in? |
| 16:53.31 | g3brown | benjamindees: The drivers not 100%. Everything was 100% and speed was awesome. ~1GB < 17 secs. Problem is they give errors when transferring large amounts of data. Things were fine when messing with small files totaling < 1GB. I went to move about 40GB of stuff and I got errors bad. |
| 16:53.40 | peterS | blondie: while sleep 0.5; do echo -ne "$(date)\r"; done |
| 16:53.49 | gnube | predius_: Did you try apt-cache search dig? |
| 16:53.51 | blondie | peterS: yus |
| 16:53.56 | predius_ | gnube: yes |
| 16:53.59 | paulswm | blondie, peterS : this is my fave clock, the one I'll be watching :P http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/%7Eyugo/storage/monocrafts_ver3/03/index.html |
| 16:54.00 | predius_ | loads of output |
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| 16:54.28 | blondie | I want one per line though |
| 16:54.29 | peterS | paulswm: bah, swf |
| 16:54.38 | peterS | paulswm: you should /nick paulswf |
| 16:54.45 | beardy | How come grdc isn't in Debian? |
| 16:54.59 | SimonRaven | why does xserver-xorg conflict with nvidia-glx ... i mean, we're forced to not use the binary driver for nvidia if we have an older GPU.... |
| 16:55.02 | darkcmd | illegal variable name in that code peterS |
| 16:55.04 | peterS | beardy: check http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 16:55.22 | abrotman | file three! |
| 16:55.22 | peterS | darkcmd: uh, did you try it? there's no variable name in there |
| 16:56.01 | paulswm | peterS: well it's still a cool clock :P |
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| 16:56.08 | abrotman | xdaliclock! |
| 16:56.11 | bizkit | paulswm: this looks nice |
| 16:56.17 | peterS | I wouldn't know, I don't have a flash player handy |
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| 16:56.31 | beardy | peterS: Ah yes, thanks. |
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| 16:57.09 | peterS | xdaliclock indeed. that is jwz's peak achievement, never mind netscape navigator for unix or xscreensaver |
| 16:57.16 | SimonRaven | getting penalised 'cause you can't afford to buy new h/w is crap |
| 16:58.00 | benjamindees | g3brown, like this? https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2005-May/msg00460.html |
| 16:58.41 | bizkit | abrotman: this clock flickers, even with -oink-oink |
| 16:58.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:58.59 | ViViD | i have several personally build .debs that i host on my network server to make installation of these items much easier, but im wondering if theres a way that i can build these packages to work with apt >= 0.6's gpg authing |
| 16:59.35 | peterS | ViViD: the packages are fine, you just need to generate 'Release' and 'Release.gpg' files to go with the archive |
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| 16:59.50 | paulswm | laterz |
| 16:59.51 | peterS | ViViD: use 'apt-ftparchive' or similar |
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| 17:00.14 | peterS | ViViD: I can't give details as I don't use apt-ftparchive myself, yet |
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| 17:00.43 | ViViD | im using reprepro for repo management, i dunno if it has the ability to generate those files |
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| 17:01.02 | peterS | ViViD: right, so check that. those are the files you need, anyway |
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| 17:01.18 | ViViD | alright, thanks, good to know i dont have to rebuild the entire repo |
| 17:01.26 | nertoa | adduser or useradd? is any of them more widely spread on different unices than the other? |
| 17:01.27 | curt | ok this may not be the best place to ask this but. I baught a dedicated server and the server they setup is not what I ordered |
| 17:01.42 | dvs | Yay! 12 hours left1 |
| 17:01.48 | ViViD | nertoa, i think those are the same cmds :D |
| 17:01.53 | peterS | ViViD: the other thing you need is to generate a gpg keypair for the archive, and add the public key to your clients using the 'apt-key' script |
| 17:02.06 | peterS | they're not the same command, no |
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| 17:02.29 | peterS | nertoa: many unixes don't have either one. useradd is low-level, adduser is high-level. useradd is thus better for scripts |
| 17:02.30 | curt | my question is what would be the difference in performance of a dual p4 3.0 1Gram 80G hd and a p4 3.2 dual 160g raid1 1G ram? |
| 17:03.13 | ViViD | peterS, so basically i have to create a gpg key for my archive, and then import it somewhat like i would with rpm systems |
| 17:03.15 | nertoa | peterS: thanks |
| 17:03.16 | dvs | curt: I'd imagine very little |
| 17:03.17 | denisbr | Good Afternon, How I install winmodem lucent in the Debian 3.1 kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 17:03.17 | peterS | curt: greatly depends on your workload, whether it's more about reading the disk, writing the disk, or calculating stuff |
| 17:03.19 | ootput | curt: the latter |
| 17:03.42 | curt | ootput, you would prefer the later? |
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| 17:03.55 | bizkit | abrotman: xdaliclock -font BUILTIN3 -oink-oink -countdown "Jan 1 00:00:00 2006" -root -display :0.1 |
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| 17:04.02 | bizkit | abrotman: this is good for a big tv =] |
| 17:04.05 | ootput | curt: yeah |
| 17:04.13 | curt | peterS, mostly for e-commerce sites with mysql running alot |
| 17:04.15 | peterS | ViViD: the apt 0.6 security stuff depends on verifying that packages are from some known-and-trusted place. it's impossible to provide that security without the clients having a way to verify that place specifically. meaning the public key. |
| 17:04.47 | BR_WARRIOR | I'm trying to connect to my nokia 6220 using gnokii (by gnocky frontend), but I don't know what connection (I tried dku5, without success) and model I need to use. (kernel module to dku5 is already loaded) |
| 17:04.48 | peterS | curt: I suspect most web sites need a lot more disk speed than CPU speed |
| 17:04.49 | abrotman | bizkit: no workie here |
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| 17:04.57 | BR_WARRIOR | someone can help me? |
| 17:04.58 | gnube | ldconfig is whining that various libblah.so is not a symbolic link, is this a problem? |
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| 17:05.04 | bizkit | abrotman: notice -display :0.1 |
| 17:05.08 | ViViD | heh, im confused, i dont know much about gpg key stuff, i need to find a how to or something, but since this is a relatively new feature, i doubt ill find many |
| 17:05.12 | abrotman | bizkit: whoops :) |
| 17:05.26 | curt | peterS, would the raid1 slow things down then or not? |
| 17:05.35 | ootput | curt: absolutely not |
| 17:05.46 | peterS | curt: raid1 slows down writes, but speeds up reads |
| 17:05.50 | abrotman | theoretically .. should speed up reads .. slow down writes |
| 17:06.03 | curt | abrotman, howdy |
| 17:06.05 | Danar | can anyone tell me why lame won't work with piped output? i'm trying to do something like this: ls -p|grep wav|lame |
| 17:06.11 | ootput | in his particular case, he needs better disk reads above all else |
| 17:06.13 | abrotman | curt: hi |
| 17:06.29 | curt | I guess i am going to bitch then... |
| 17:06.30 | Danar | keeps complaining about usage, but it will work on a single filename with no paramaters |
| 17:06.35 | Silent_al | any1 knows a nice command line pics resizing tool? :) |
| 17:06.37 | abrotman | curt: depending on the site .. you can get by with a PII 300Mhz and 128MB RAM :) |
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| 17:06.42 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 17:06.42 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 17:06.48 | ootput | Silent_al: good old imagemagick |
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| 17:06.56 | curt | make them buld me the system I ordered, i thought maybe the dual cpu would be more of a plus |
| 17:07.14 | ootput | curt: how much more is one system over the other? |
| 17:07.16 | ootput | price-wise |
| 17:07.18 | Silent_al | ootput, i'll give it a try :) thanx |
| 17:07.19 | curt | abrotman, I am running about 100 oscommerce sites |
| 17:07.30 | abrotman | curt: i'd rather have data redudancy than SMP |
| 17:07.39 | curt | !SMP |
| 17:07.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ... |
| 17:07.40 | Danar | what's the easiest way to convert a bunch of wavs to mp3? |
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| 17:07.56 | abrotman | Danar: an encoder |
| 17:08.05 | ootput | smp in the newer sparcs ain't half bad :D |
| 17:08.10 | abrotman | SMP is nice |
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| 17:08.14 | abrotman | that's not the point |
| 17:08.19 | ootput | i understand |
| 17:08.20 | Danar | abrotman, i mean, the easiest program to use |
| 17:08.23 | curt | ootput, I haggled with the sales guy and got a pretty good deal |
| 17:08.28 | abrotman | if you have to choose between SMP or data redundancy |
| 17:08.34 | Danar | abrotman, lame doesn't want to work on multiple filenames |
| 17:08.49 | abrotman | Danar: did you try xargs ? |
| 17:08.53 | ViViD | peterS, the "top level Release file" is the one located under aptserver/dists/distro ?? |
| 17:08.57 | Danar | abrotman, nope.. |
| 17:09.14 | abrotman | Danar: do you know about xargs ? |
| 17:09.17 | g3brown | benjamindees: was afk for a min. Yeah, just like that link you sent. ha |
| 17:09.20 | Danar | abrotman, no |
| 17:09.20 | gnube | Danar: Or you can try "for i in *.mp3 ; do lame $i ; done |
| 17:09.29 | m0se5 | why has the k3b package been broken for the last few months, and still broken? |
| 17:09.30 | peterS | ViViD: yes, and your sources.list must have the 'deb {URL} {distro} {section}' format |
| 17:09.33 | ootput | does anybody know if jigdo generates a list of files that it wasn't able to retrieve? |
| 17:09.36 | curt | ootput, I am at about $100 including 3500G transfer on a giga port to fiber colo center |
| 17:09.47 | abrotman | Danar: ls *.wav | xargs <lame command> |
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| 17:09.55 | benjamindees | g3brown, the driver probably has problems with SMP, are you using SMP? |
| 17:10.07 | ViViD | peterS, the archive is set up fine, im just going through a howto set this up on the wiki, and didnt know what file they were relating to |
| 17:10.08 | peterS | abrotman: dude use echo instead of ls (: |
| 17:10.10 | benjamindees | g3brown, (a SMP kernel I mean) |
| 17:10.12 | g3brown | benjamindees: no. hyper theading though |
| 17:10.17 | abrotman | peterS: you brownnoser :) |
| 17:10.31 | ViViD | peterS, so i just need to create the Release.gpg and tell users what key to import |
| 17:10.40 | gnube | peters Why echo over ls? |
| 17:10.41 | g3brown | benjamindees: no it is just the 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 17:10.53 | peterS | gnube: slightly faster and simpler |
| 17:10.55 | benjamindees | does hyperthreading still require smp? |
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| 17:11.00 | gnube | aha |
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| 17:11.12 | dvs | benjamindees: Yup |
| 17:11.24 | peterS | ViViD: right, but creating Release.gpg by hand isn't something you want to mess with every time, so you need to figure out how to make your software do it |
| 17:11.33 | g3brown | benjamindees: If memory serves me correct, that is exactly what mine was doing. Getting a bunch of those i/o errors and then knocks the drive offline. |
| 17:11.34 | m0se5 | why has the K3B package been broken for the last few months, and still broken? |
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| 17:11.50 | Danar | thanks |
| 17:12.05 | g3brown | benjamindees: that is a slightly diff chip though. Mine is the 88SX5081 I think. |
| 17:12.07 | ViViD | peterS, i think i use gnugp or whatever its called, and the command is 'gpg -abs -o Release.gpg Releasefile |
| 17:12.21 | gnube | how can I stop ldconfig from complaining when I do an apt-get update? |
| 17:12.32 | gnube | it tells me there are lots of non-sym links |
| 17:12.36 | peterS | ViViD: that looks right |
| 17:12.46 | gnube | but the man page says it doesn't check for symlinks. |
| 17:12.47 | ViViD | peterS, cool, thanks for the tips |
| 17:12.55 | peterS | ViViD: also feed gpg the correct key you want to use for your archive, if it's not the default one in your keyring |
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| 17:14.07 | ViViD | peterS, which key is it, do you know, or am i to decide that for myself? |
| 17:14.08 | gnube | Oh yeah! Anyone know a good site for checking open relays? Googls is being obtuse. |
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| 17:14.26 | froztbyte | can anyone help me: i need to configure debian sarge to dial up to my isp. i have already tried wvdial and the pppconfig and consequently pon connection but either way it fails because of 'NO DIALTONE'. how/where do i switch this off? |
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| 17:15.05 | streuner | froztbyte: plug the cable from your modem into your telefonbox |
| 17:15.08 | streuner | ;-) |
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| 17:15.15 | dvs | !smack streuner |
| 17:15.15 | Hooke | hi |
| 17:15.16 | froztbyte | it's not that |
| 17:15.25 | streuner | What is it then? |
| 17:15.32 | peterS | ViViD: it's the key you generate specifically for the archive use. you probably don't want to use your normal key, because you might be doing your archive signing from a script and thus want to use a secret key that has no passphrase on it |
| 17:15.32 | streuner | if you got no dialtone? |
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| 17:15.58 | elephantMan | H all |
| 17:16.03 | byounggukkim | hi |
| 17:16.04 | DragonDav | how do i install the iostream header file? |
| 17:16.17 | benjamindees | froztbyte, do you have a conexant modem? |
| 17:16.18 | abrotman | DragonDav: you mean iostream.h ? |
| 17:16.19 | peterS | DragonDav: aptitude install build-essential |
| 17:16.25 | abrotman | !b-e DragonDav |
| 17:16.26 | dpkg | DragonDav: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 17:16.26 | streuner | froztbyte: are you sure you are using the *right* cable to the telephonebox? |
| 17:16.30 | abrotman | damnn it! |
| 17:16.32 | froztbyte | it's a tone dial modem and even in windows i have always had this problem. i dunno if it's something with telkom or what but i have to always switch off the 'wait for dial tone option' |
| 17:16.34 | elephantMan | What is the original name : terminal, shell, console ? |
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| 17:16.43 | Hooke | hi, please could someone tell me how to change the monitor frequency? |
| 17:16.46 | peterS | elephantMan: those are three different things actually |
| 17:16.50 | DragonDav | build-essential? should it allready be on there? |
| 17:16.56 | abrotman | maybe not |
| 17:16.59 | abrotman | try to install it |
| 17:17.00 | streuner | froztbyte: intern modem? |
| 17:17.04 | peterS | DragonDav: not if you haven't installed it |
| 17:17.12 | Silent_al | ootput |
| 17:17.21 | peterS | elephantMan: console and terminal probably came into being at about the same time |
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| 17:17.39 | peterS | elephantMan: calling the program running in there a shell came somewhat later |
| 17:17.41 | froztbyte | benjamindees: at a friend's house. my own modem at home (different make) also does it. askey modem at the moment |
| 17:17.44 | gnube | peterS, How are they different exactly? |
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| 17:18.12 | DragonDav | ok iostream is not the same as iostream.h |
| 17:18.17 | gnube | Is it a console if it is a physical device? |
| 17:18.21 | peterS | gnube: the console was traditionally something attached directly to the machine, where kernel input and output went. you could also have one or more terminals |
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| 17:18.37 | froztbyte | streuner: yes, definitely the right box. i'm connected at the moment, aren't i? |
| 17:18.57 | froztbyte | i just need to need to set the 'wait for dialtone' option off |
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| 17:19.03 | abrotman | DragonDav: well .. what is it ? |
| 17:19.12 | peterS | DragonDav: it's a header file from the C++ standard library. that's libstdc++*-dev, the name changes depending on your debian release |
| 17:19.28 | streuner | froztbyte: if you got 'no dialtone' in wvdial its usually someting wrong with your connection between modem and telephone-box |
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| 17:20.01 | ViViD | peterS, i think youve lost me now..i know how to generate my Release.gpg, but creating the key to sign it with, and selecting that key to sign it with i dunno D: |
| 17:20.10 | elephantMan | peterS, ok i understand...so its all different apps |
| 17:20.14 | streuner | froztbyte: look at /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog too |
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| 17:20.37 | peterS | elephantMan: you're asking about history. the shell is an app, but a console and a terminal were traditionally just pieces of hardware plugged in somehow to the computer |
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| 17:21.06 | peterS | elephantMan: in modern times, of course, you have terminal *emulator* software, like xterm or gnome-terminal, and a console is just whatever terminal emulator you tell the kernel to use as a console |
| 17:21.22 | streuner | froztbyte: use in doubt an official debian kernel |
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| 17:22.09 | streuner | froztbyte: so it wasn't clear yet to me, do you use an intern modem or extern? |
| 17:22.17 | froztbyte | streuner: standard sarge kernel (2.6.8, the kernel i installed with) in use. external modem |
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| 17:22.52 | streuner | froztbyte: ok, check out the connection and in the log files |
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| 17:23.07 | streuner | s/in/ / |
| 17:23.11 | DragonDav | i'm installed build-essental libstdc++6, -dev and still nothing. |
| 17:23.31 | Danar | gnube, how do you do more complicated pattern matching in such a "for" command? |
| 17:23.39 | liutke | hola |
| 17:23.40 | peterS | DragonDav: well, build-essential should pull in g++ which should pull in g++-3.3 which should pull in libstdc++5-dev or similar, which should work |
| 17:23.59 | DragonDav | ahh wait |
| 17:24.00 | DragonDav | g++ |
| 17:24.07 | dvs | !pal DragonDav |
| 17:24.36 | DragonDav | quit making fun at me... |
| 17:24.39 | froztbyte | streuner: can't now. i would have to reboot to check it out and then reboot again and reconnect in windows. and it's not any hardware problem. it's just that no modem in south africa i have ever used will work when you have the 'wfdt' (wait for dial tone) option on. i have to get it switched off |
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| 17:28.44 | streuner | froztbyte: ok, what does the logs say? (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 17:28.53 | froztbyte | streuner: i've found an option in the /etc/ppp/options file (i think, or maybe it was a wvdial.conf... well, somewhere) where it had [ABORT NO 'DIALTONE'] (without the square brackets, it was inline). i removed this but it still didn't work... :/ |
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| 17:29.21 | streuner | froztbyte: check out wvdialconf |
| 17:29.27 | streuner | dpkg, find wvdialconf |
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| 17:29.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wvdialconf' (1): (/usr/bin/wvdialconf) in comm/wvdial. |
| 17:30.01 | streuner | froztbyte: just run 'wvdialconf' as root |
| 17:30.08 | RainbowW | how do i get wget to pick up all the files in a directory? eg http://www.myplace.org/files, and it produces the actual directory listing, how do i get it to pick up everything in the listing? |
| 17:30.11 | typewriter | what's the easiest way of using logrotate to rotate custom apache logs? |
| 17:30.27 | typewriter | do i create like a bunch of logrotate files in logrotate.d |
| 17:30.37 | typewriter | or can i just pile it all in apache2 file that already exists? |
| 17:30.38 | abrotman | typewriter: are they all in the same directory ? |
| 17:30.47 | typewriter | no |
| 17:31.12 | blondie | RainbowW: -R or -r - check the man page for recursive |
| 17:31.16 | abrotman | you can do either that you prefer .. if you make your own .. there is no chance they would get overwritten |
| 17:31.28 | typewriter | can i do this even? /home/user/www/*.log /home/user2/www/*.log /var/log/apache2/*.log { ... } ? |
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| 17:31.54 | typewriter | if i make my own i'll have like 10+ files floating around |
| 17:32.18 | typewriter | or can i atleast make a sub dir within logrotate.d/ ? |
| 17:32.28 | typewriter | would logrotate read that? |
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| 17:33.16 | benjamindees | g3brown_, well there appears to be an updated, GPL driver, but it's not clear it comes from Marvell |
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| 17:33.51 | froztbyte | streuner: what's that debian web page address i can use to paste stuff? |
| 17:34.02 | peterS | typewriter: you can have multiple entries in a single logrotate.d file |
| 17:34.02 | RainbowW | froztbyte: pastebin.org |
| 17:34.28 | peterS | typewriter: in fact if you *do* want to make a subdir in logrotate.d, look at /etc/logrotate.conf at the 'include' command there |
| 17:34.38 | streuner | dpkg, paster |
| 17:34.39 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 17:34.43 | SimonRaven | typewriter: you can add to it, or make a local apache{2}.local one with the custom adds |
| 17:35.00 | SimonRaven | peterS: it already does |
| 17:35.01 | typewriter | ok |
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| 17:35.41 | typewriter | if you take a look at /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 for those who have apache2 running, you see the postrotate...endscript area where it restarts apache2 after it rotates its logs |
| 17:35.53 | typewriter | do i need to include this for like the 10 other times it'll rotate custom apache logs? |
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| 17:36.08 | typewriter | since it already restarts on the main apache log rotation?? |
| 17:37.03 | SimonRaven | typewriter: that's why i edited the packaged one, so it does it only once |
| 17:37.09 | froztbyte | streuner: i did already, it doesnt work (it once ran in setup, ran it again afterwards) |
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| 17:37.27 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 17:37.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:37.30 | typewriter | SimonRaven: come again? |
| 17:37.41 | typewriter | you edited /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 ? |
| 17:37.52 | m0se5 | why has the K3B package been broken for the last few months, and still broken? |
| 17:38.03 | froztbyte | and also i have already read the man pages for wvdial, wvdial.conf, and pppd |
| 17:38.06 | SimonRaven | the /etc/logrotate.d/apache2, i edited that one instead of adding a apache2.local file |
| 17:38.15 | SimonRaven | s/a/an/ |
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| 17:38.18 | streuner | froztbyte: btw, is pppd installed? |
| 17:38.34 | typewriter | ok, so you didnt include the postrotate/endscript to restart apache like 10 times? |
| 17:38.46 | typewriter | you just left it in the main log apache rotate and excluded on the custom logs? |
| 17:38.49 | SimonRaven | no, of course not. why would i? |
| 17:39.12 | streuner | m0se5: in testing? /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
| 17:39.23 | froztbyte | where can i find that /msg dpkg paster |
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| 17:39.26 | m0se5 | streuner: thanks |
| 17:39.30 | froztbyte | soz |
| 17:39.32 | DragonDav | is there a window manager that work like this: programs run on server send window commands to client, client draws and does other stuff with windows and send info about keyboard and mouse to programs. |
| 17:39.44 | streuner | dpkg, soz |
| 17:39.50 | froztbyte | previous typed line then i checked the chan header |
| 17:39.51 | opqdonut | DragonDav: all X can work like that |
| 17:39.55 | micahf | hey guys |
| 17:40.01 | peterS | DragonDav: yeah you pretty much described the X Window System |
| 17:40.02 | opqdonut | DragonDav: x is network-transparent |
| 17:40.04 | micahf | what is the easiest ppp dialer you all know of? |
| 17:40.08 | micahf | like for my grandparents |
| 17:40.13 | micahf | maybe a gdesklet |
| 17:40.14 | SimonRaven | pppd |
| 17:40.16 | micahf | or something like that |
| 17:40.17 | streuner | wvdial? |
| 17:40.18 | micahf | pppd? |
| 17:40.20 | micahf | wvdial? |
| 17:40.22 | ke6isf | micahf: pppd |
| 17:40.26 | streuner | !info wvdial |
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| 17:40.30 | SimonRaven | there's gnome applets for that sort of thing |
| 17:40.30 | DragonDav | oh. |
| 17:40.31 | micahf | is pppd commandline? |
| 17:40.36 | dpkg | wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.55-1 (sid), Packaged size: 84 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 17:40.37 | peterS | DragonDav: except that in X, the terms 'server' and 'client' are switched, so the thing running on your desktop is the X "server", and client programs display themselves on it |
| 17:40.41 | ke6isf | micahf: Oh, you want a front end to the dialer! |
| 17:40.44 | micahf | yea |
| 17:40.45 | streuner | micahf: sure |
| 17:40.49 | SimonRaven | click it, poff, click it again, pon |
| 17:40.54 | micahf | I want something that will be easy to disconnect really |
| 17:41.08 | ke6isf | micahf: 'if{up,down} ppp0' |
| 17:41.23 | ke6isf | micahf: Mind you, it's been over three years since I've used dialup, so I'm not up on the commands these days. |
| 17:41.33 | DragonDav | peterS: how bandwidth intensive is it? |
| 17:41.34 | micahf | is there a good front end though? |
| 17:41.39 | m0se5 | does dpkg have a man page? |
| 17:41.42 | g3brown_ | benjamindees: I'll try that. I got 3ware in system now, but I have another identical box I can experiment on. |
| 17:41.47 | SimonRaven | pppoe uses pppd too... |
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| 17:41.56 | streuner | m0se5: infobot.org or/and /msg dpkg help |
| 17:41.57 | peterS | DragonDav: more so than windows remote desktop, but very usable at a hundred kB/s or so, I think |
| 17:42.00 | colde89 | how can i change the number of colors in wine? |
| 17:42.03 | SimonRaven | m0se5: the bot, or 'dpkg'? |
| 17:42.09 | peterS | DragonDav: of course it depends on what programs you run - full motion video isn't going to be all that fast |
| 17:42.10 | froztbyte | i've got an ext2ifs driver for windows to read my hard drives so i've pasted from the /var/log/messages file |
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| 17:42.15 | SimonRaven | #winehq |
| 17:42.16 | m0se5 | streuner: thanks |
| 17:42.21 | SimonRaven | colde89: ^^^^ |
| 17:42.26 | m0se5 | SimonRaven: the bot, nm |
| 17:42.30 | benjamindees | g3brown_, http://www.keffective.com/mvsata/FC3/mvsata-3.4.2-1.0_fc4.tgz |
| 17:42.40 | DragonDav | peterS: i have a max of about 80 avg of 50 kB |
| 17:42.44 | colde89 | ok .. |
| 17:43.03 | stouse1 | Is there an easy way to determine which packages from experimental you have installed? |
| 17:43.06 | streuner | froztbyte: /var/log/syslog would be more interesting, because pppd writes into this file, IIRC |
| 17:43.09 | peterS | DragonDav: I haven't tried running remote X programs at 50 kB/s. so I don't know how responsive or sluggish that will be |
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| 17:43.18 | DragonDav | peterS: and the other problem... i have windows at home a linux for server. |
| 17:43.25 | froztbyte | k, i'll paste it now |
| 17:43.38 | peterS | DragonDav: you can run an X server on Windows. several commercial ones exist, plus XFree86 for Cygwin |
| 17:43.40 | benjamindees | g3brown_, looks like there may be some useful fixes in that |
| 17:44.03 | g3brown_ | benjamindees: I make that one the same way? |
| 17:44.04 | peterS | DragonDav: (remember, 'X server' is the part that manages a display, keyboard and mouse on behalf of the 'clients' which run on a remote machine) |
| 17:44.09 | SimonRaven | /var/log/ppp* |
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| 17:44.29 | benjamindees | g3brown_, pretty much |
| 17:44.30 | DragonDav | peterS: i've tried cygwin and couldn't get it running. |
| 17:44.32 | SimonRaven | plog is your friend |
| 17:44.58 | froztbyte | streuner: pasted |
| 17:45.09 | streuner | ok, give us the URL |
| 17:45.11 | peterS | DragonDav: well, see http://x.cygwin.com/ anyway |
| 17:45.21 | froztbyte | streuner: channels.debian.net/paste/1429 |
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| 17:46.10 | benjamindees | awesome, Epia M motherboards support lcd screens with a TTL daughtercard :D |
| 17:46.12 | DragonDav | peterS: i'll try it |
| 17:46.13 | froztbyte | simonraven: only one ppp* file (ppp-connect-errors) and it's completely empty |
| 17:46.51 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
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| 17:47.10 | froztbyte | streuner: channels.debian.net/paste/1429 |
| 17:47.13 | streuner | froztbyte: check out the connection |
| 17:47.34 | streuner | i saw it already, i cannot see any error with your software or hardware |
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| 17:48.04 | streuner | you haven't any connection (physical) to your ISP |
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| 17:48.35 | g3brown | benjamindees: got to go out for a while. |
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| 17:49.42 | richard | alguien de habla hispana |
| 17:49.48 | dvs | nada |
| 17:49.55 | richard | ya veo |
| 17:50.04 | dvs | !es |
| 17:50.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:50.23 | mhall | Hello. I am having a problem with my sound card. Despite that it's detected at boot, I cannot get alsamixer or other things to detect it. |
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| 17:50.48 | streuner | alsaconf? |
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| 17:50.53 | asdadsasd | did you ran alsaconf ? |
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| 17:51.13 | dvs | mhall: what driver is it using? |
| 17:51.19 | needlz_ | hi |
| 17:51.33 | mhall | dvs: ac97 for SiS |
| 17:51.49 | dvs | mhall: What kernel module is it using? |
| 17:51.50 | aaronlin | Hi all; I am trying to compile Dillo browser for my computer. I am running Debian 3.1 GNU/Linux. I installed GTK1.2 using apt-get. When I type ./configure, the following error occurs: |
| 17:51.51 | aaronlin | *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the full path to gtk-config. configure: error: Unable to find Gtk+ with a version >= 1.2.0. Dillo NEEDS Gtk+ |
| 17:51.51 | aaronlin | I know that GTK1.2 is currently installed...any help? |
| 17:52.05 | peterS | aaronlin: need a -dev package, like gtk1.2-dev |
| 17:52.12 | aaronlin | peterS: thanks |
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| 17:52.21 | peterS | aaronlin: well, it's called libgtk1.2-dev I guess, but anyway |
| 17:52.22 | needlz_ | does anyone know why i get a "Permission denied" for /dev/loop0 after this: losetup /dev/loop0 /path/to/encryptfs |
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| 17:52.41 | benjamindees | !tell aaronlin about backports |
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| 17:52.43 | SimonRaven | aaronlin: apt-get build-dep dillo should get you want you need |
| 17:52.44 | stouset | needlz_: Gotta be root, I believe. |
| 17:52.52 | aaronlin | ah, this works very well |
| 17:52.59 | needlz_ | stouset : i tried it as root too |
| 17:53.05 | aaronlin | SimonRaven: I need to manually compile it because there is |
| 17:53.15 | ke6isf | needlz_: Same problem? |
| 17:53.16 | aaronlin | no SSL by default unless you edit a file |
| 17:53.20 | needlz_ | jep |
| 17:53.22 | peterS | needlz_: make sure loop0 isn't already in use for something else |
| 17:53.38 | ke6isf | eh? 'jep' |
| 17:53.41 | SimonRaven | aaronlin: so, it'll still get most of what you need... |
| 17:53.53 | needlz_ | peterS: i dont know any other programs which would use that |
| 17:53.56 | needlz_ | :/ |
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| 17:53.59 | SimonRaven | 'yep' |
| 17:54.03 | aaronlin | I really need SSL, because I use the web browser to check gmail, which needs SSL |
| 17:54.08 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Ah, thanks for clarifying. =/ |
| 17:54.13 | peterS | aaronlin: in that case I'd do 'apt-get source dillo' then 'apt-get build-dep dillo' then edit the file in question then 'cd dillo-whatever' and 'debuild'. the debuild command is in the 'devscripts' package |
| 17:54.20 | needlz_ | is there a way to see which app uses a device? |
| 17:54.28 | ke6isf | needlz_: lsof |
| 17:54.32 | mhall | dvs: #0: SiS SI7012 with ALC203 at 0x1400, irq 209 |
| 17:54.34 | peterS | needlz_: well you can use 'losetup /dev/loop0' to see what it is bound to |
| 17:54.45 | aaronlin | peterS: the libgtk1.2-dev worked. I'm not very familiar with how to use apt. |
| 17:54.56 | aaronlin | peterS: let's just hope this install works. |
| 17:54.58 | SimonRaven | man apt-get |
| 17:54.58 | dvs | mhall: Huh? Where's you get that from? |
| 17:55.09 | peterS | dvs: /proc/asound/devices probably |
| 17:55.11 | needlz_ | peterS: now i get this: loop: can't open device /dev/loop0: Permission denied |
| 17:55.29 | peterS | needlz_: ok that's odd. does /dev/loop0, in fact, exist? |
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| 17:55.51 | needlz_ | jep |
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| 17:56.03 | needlz_ | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 0 Nov 8 22:57 /dev/loop0 |
| 17:56.11 | dvs | mhall: Try "lsmod | grep snd_ac97" |
| 17:56.17 | benjamindees | aaronlin, the latest version in unstable uses ssl, but not backports so ignore that |
| 17:56.25 | mhall | dvs: I didn't use modules. It's a hard-compiled driver. |
| 17:56.29 | SimonRaven | looks ok |
| 17:56.45 | mhall | dvs: The funny thing is, it worked in AMD64 mode but it doesn't seem to work in 386 mode. |
| 17:56.45 | aaronlin | benjamindees: ah...I should check out backports one of these days |
| 17:56.59 | peterS | needlz_: right, so does 'grep loop /proc/devices' show it as major number 7? |
| 17:57.05 | mhall | dvs: If you think it's important I'll relink the kernel and reboot the box. |
| 17:57.22 | needlz_ | /bin/sh: line 1: needlz@fufoo:~$: command not found |
| 17:57.24 | needlz_ | er |
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| 17:57.28 | dvs | mhall: No, I can't tell which kernel driver you're using. |
| 17:57.37 | needlz_ | peterS: greep loop /proc/devices shows nothing |
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| 17:57.45 | peterS | needlz_: so 'modprobe loop' then try again |
| 17:57.52 | mhall | dvs: Yeah let me find the information in menuconfig. |
| 17:58.07 | peterS | needlz_: if that works, I wonder why it isn't being autoloaded. it should be. |
| 17:58.23 | needlz_ | peterS: now i get modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.20-021stab028.18.777-enterprise/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 17:58.33 | SimonRaven | depmod -Aa |
| 17:58.36 | mhall | dvs: CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0, module would be snd-intel8x0. |
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| 17:58.51 | dvs | mhall: Yup, that ALSA |
| 17:58.59 | mhall | dvs: Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller is the friendly name in menuconfig |
| 17:59.02 | SimonRaven | and wtf do you get a kernel version like that... |
| 17:59.23 | mhall | SimonRaven: something besides debian? :-> |
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| 17:59.48 | peterS | needlz_: right, that's a very strange kernel version, looks like something you might find in SuSE or whatnot |
| 18:00.02 | SimonRaven | you mind reader |
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| 18:00.21 | peterS | or as a hosted box at a hosting company where they've rolled their own custom kernel for debian |
| 18:00.26 | needlz_ | well actually ist debian :/ |
| 18:00.52 | mhall | dvs: what do you think? try a module and turn on debug? |
| 18:00.53 | SimonRaven | peterS: yeh, my second thought |
| 18:00.54 | needlz_ | just on a vserver ( |
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| 18:01.16 | aaronlin | hmm |
| 18:01.30 | aaronlin | Ok, dillo has been successfully installed |
| 18:01.33 | aaronlin | but I installed it as root... |
| 18:01.43 | aaronlin | so if I log out and type the command 'dillo' into the prompt, the program cannot be found |
| 18:01.45 | dvs | mhall: I wouldn't make a module if you just want to debug it. I'm just wondering if the mixer module is compiled too |
| 18:01.48 | aaronlin | was it installed in /bin? |
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| 18:02.00 | needlz_ | peterS: uhm, what would you suggest me to do now? :) |
| 18:02.06 | peterS | aaronlin: most things install themselves to /usr/local/bin if you don't say otherwise |
| 18:02.16 | aaronlin | peterS: Ah, thank you |
| 18:02.18 | peterS | needlz_: 'depmod -Aa' as SimonRaven suggests. did that make a difference? |
| 18:02.19 | SimonRaven | /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin depending on your --prefix |
| 18:02.23 | aaronlin | yup, there it is |
| 18:02.24 | mhall | dvs: yeah i made sure to check that |
| 18:02.28 | peterS | aaronlin: /usr/local/bin is in your default path on debian, so that should've worked |
| 18:02.29 | mhall | dvs: and it was there |
| 18:02.45 | mhall | dvs: but there is a possibility i left it out, compiled kernel, then turned it on |
| 18:02.54 | mhall | dvs: so i'll check /proc/config.gz |
| 18:02.58 | aaronlin | hmm.... |
| 18:02.59 | dvs | mhall: I doubt that. |
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| 18:03.03 | aaronlin | I think the SSL still doesn't work... |
| 18:03.17 | mhall | dvs: could be i noticed it was missing but didn't relink since then though |
| 18:03.28 | needlz_ | peters & SimonRaven: now i get this: depmod: Can't open /lib/modules/2.4.20-021stab028.18.777-enterprise/modules.dep for writing |
| 18:03.29 | peterS | aaronlin: make sure you're running the right dillo - try 'type dillo' in your shell, it should find it |
| 18:03.38 | peterS | needlz_: so do 'depmod -a' without the -A part |
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| 18:04.01 | peterS | needlz_: or ... hmmm. that indicates other problems. never mind. I don't know what would cause that situation actually |
| 18:04.12 | needlz_ | peterS: still get the same error msg, with -a and -A |
| 18:04.27 | aaronlin | Yeah, it's the right Dillo |
| 18:04.36 | aaronlin | hmm...I think I give up. |
| 18:04.42 | aaronlin | how do I uninstall this mess now? |
| 18:04.44 | peterS | needlz_: so 'uname -r' reports that gnarly kernel version 2.4.20-everythingunderthesun, but /lib/modules/2.4.20-everthingunderthesun does not exist? |
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| 18:04.51 | needlz_ | ah |
| 18:04.52 | needlz_ | well |
| 18:04.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'd have gone if it wasn't raining in zurich |
| 18:05.02 | needlz_ | needlz@fufoo:/lib/modules$ ls -la |
| 18:05.03 | needlz_ | total 6 |
| 18:05.03 | needlz_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 2048 Dec 19 2004 . |
| 18:05.03 | needlz_ | drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Dec 31 18:26 .. |
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| 18:05.16 | peterS | aaronlin: 'mess' is a good term :/ uninstalling something that you used 'make install' for is pretty specific to the software. some software supports a 'make uninstall', but most does not |
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| 18:05.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: gone where ? |
| 18:05.23 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 18:05.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: to zurich |
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| 18:05.27 | peterS | aaronlin: with most software you just have to seek and destroy everything it put in there, manually |
| 18:05.40 | aaronlin | haha, ok |
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| 18:06.32 | aynjrz | aaronlin: a utility called checkinstall can automatically make Debian packages. It may even be able to package what you just installed (maybe) |
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| 18:07.12 | peterS | aaronlin: you might have luck with 'find /usr/local -type f -ctime -1' to get a list of files installed in the past 1 day |
| 18:07.21 | peterS | aaronlin: that kind of thing makes the seek and destroy step somewhat easier |
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| 18:07.53 | atula | hi |
| 18:08.30 | opqdonut | aaronlin: you might want to have a look at stow, a manager for /usr/loca |
| 18:08.38 | opqdonut | /usr/local that is |
| 18:08.40 | aaronlin | hmm...this is all quite complicated, eh |
| 18:08.43 | aaronlin | I think I will stick with apt then. |
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| 18:08.58 | atula | does anyone here have experiences setting up a sound system (believe me... it's not as it sounds)? I am trying to set up a karaoke system... with a mixer and receiver... but I have no idea what's the concept is... |
| 18:09.00 | needlz_ | hm |
| 18:09.03 | needlz_ | peterS: sry |
| 18:09.07 | needlz_ | pasted too much i think :) |
| 18:09.10 | peterS | opqdonut: /usr/loca is for crazy packages |
| 18:09.19 | SimonRaven | !paste |
| 18:09.20 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
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| 18:09.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 18:09.30 | peterS | needlz_: yes you did. we don't like pastes here so we have a bot kick people who do them. anyway. does the directory exist? |
| 18:09.40 | needlz_ | peterS: jep it exists |
| 18:09.52 | peterS | needlz_: and yet the modules.dep file in there cannot be created or overwritten. nice. |
| 18:09.55 | needlz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.57 | benjamindees | aaronlin, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 18:10.03 | SimonRaven | FYI, that command should be run with root privs |
| 18:10.04 | benjamindees | aaronlin, that will work for what you want |
| 18:10.09 | micahf | how come I can't get those default thunderbird and firefox icons that are on mozilla.org? |
| 18:10.13 | peterS | needlz_: oh /lib/modules/$(uname -r) does not exist? so you have no kernel modules. |
| 18:10.23 | needlz_ | nope..there is nothing in it |
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| 18:10.47 | SimonRaven | make modules_install ... |
| 18:10.54 | aaronlin | goodnight all |
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| 18:11.06 | peterS | needlz_: if you didn't install that kernel (your hosting company did), there's not much you can do |
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| 18:11.30 | needlz_ | is |
| 18:11.32 | needlz_ | ic* |
| 18:11.46 | needlz_ | can't i just do something like "apt-get kernel-sources"? |
| 18:11.50 | mhall | peterS: UML |
| 18:12.06 | needlz_ | and then build the modules |
| 18:12.24 | peterS | needlz_: you said it's a vserver setup, I don't know if you can replace the kernel in one of those |
| 18:12.29 | peterS | needlz_: I just don't know enough about them |
| 18:12.32 | needlz_ | oh ic |
| 18:12.39 | needlz_ | k thx guys |
| 18:12.51 | peterS | needlz_: talk to your hosting company and ask them about the case of the missing modules |
| 18:12.53 | mhall | !tell needlz_ about thx |
| 18:13.04 | peterS | it's probably just a mistake on their part |
| 18:13.13 | needlz_ | ill check google and try to get more about the vserver |
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| 18:13.29 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 18:13.40 | HermanDE | Hello |
| 18:13.51 | needlz_ | mhall : funny guy, get a cookie ;) |
| 18:13.51 | DaBlade | I can see a new version of Xorg on apt-get upgrade. |
| 18:14.04 | DaBlade | Is there a risk that it'll break my current X if I upgrade? |
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| 18:14.07 | DaBlade | It's happened before |
| 18:14.09 | ingins | hey |
| 18:14.15 | mhall | needlz_: Nein das brauche ich nicht. |
| 18:14.18 | peterS | DaBlade: if you're running unstable there's *always* that risk |
| 18:14.20 | ingins | i got a problom with my dvd |
| 18:14.26 | DaBlade | peterS: Sid |
| 18:14.27 | ingins | how can i play a dvd |
| 18:14.30 | DragonDav | what console text editor does cygwin have? |
| 18:14.32 | peterS | DaBlade: in the present case you'll get a problem installing xlibs-data but if you retry it will work |
| 18:14.37 | ingins | theres no /dev/dvd |
| 18:14.37 | mhall | ingins: GNOME or KDE? |
| 18:14.40 | HermanDE | ingins: Use mplayer or xine... |
| 18:14.40 | ingins | KD |
| 18:14.41 | ingins | e |
| 18:14.46 | mhall | ingins: try kaffeine |
| 18:15.01 | HermanDE | ingins: Try and softlink your /dev/hd? to /dev/dvd |
| 18:15.04 | DaBlade | peterS: In that case, I think it may be a better idea for me not to upgrade. |
| 18:15.06 | mhall | ingins: as for /dev/dvd, make it as root with ln -s /dev/hd? /dev/dvd |
| 18:15.08 | ingins | but what is the path to the dvd |
| 18:15.20 | mhall | ingins: you have to figure it out with dmesg | less |
| 18:15.27 | peterS | DaBlade: your choice. like I said it's just a matter of running the upgrade twice, the second time fixes the first time |
| 18:15.32 | mhall | ingins: it should almost surely be hda, hdb, hdc, or hdd. |
| 18:15.38 | DaBlade | peterS: Ok. |
| 18:15.39 | mhall | ingins: hdc is probably most popular |
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| 18:15.42 | fred_ | hi... was just coming to say thanks. I have no problem now.. and wishing u all a happy new year. :D (let's hope the no problem part last all 2006 at least) |
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| 18:15.47 | DaBlade | Thanks |
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| 18:15.49 | peterS | ingins: it's probably already supported as /dev/cdrom or similar |
| 18:16.00 | ingins | k |
| 18:16.14 | mhall | peterS: dvd apps are pretty militant since cdrom and dvd are not always the same ;-) |
| 18:16.30 | peterS | mhall: oh so the dvd playback software doesn't look for /dev/cdrom? |
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| 18:16.59 | mhall | peterS: i'm not sure but i think they assume cdrom is something that will be faster and/or better with cds specifically, like a burner instead of a dvd drive |
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| 18:17.16 | mhall | peterS: or strictly a reader, but hardly anybody has one these days afaict |
| 18:17.17 | ingins | hdd: PHILIPS DVDR1648P1, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive :D |
| 18:17.29 | mhall | ingins: yeah so hdc was probably burnder |
| 18:17.30 | atula | hi. where can I find beginner resources for sound system concept. I would like to know just how the heck do I set up a controller/mixer with a receiver... |
| 18:17.36 | peterS | mhall: whereas in my case I have a combo CDRW/DVDROM but the DVD portion no longer works. so meh. (: |
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| 18:17.53 | mhall | peterS: oof, laser gave out? do you have a warranty? |
| 18:17.54 | ingins | mhall, yea my cd burner |
| 18:18.02 | mhall | ingins: makes sense |
| 18:18.15 | HermanDE | atula: Are you talking about connecting a sound card to a stereo system? |
| 18:18.18 | peterS | mhall: I've no idea what happened, it just won't read DVDs. I use it so seldom that it could have stopped working any time in the last year or so without my noticing |
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| 18:18.49 | peterS | mhall: as for warranty ... I bought it on ebay so I rather doubt it. it worked fine when I got it and it still burns CDs just fine, so I'm not complaining too loudly |
| 18:19.03 | atula | HermanDE: I'm trying to setup a home audio system. Sorry that it doesn't relate to computer... and that's why I'm clueless... I only know about computer... |
| 18:19.03 | HermanDE | peterS: Depending on how much effort you want to put into it.... It may be possible to carefully clean the DVD lens....... |
| 18:19.25 | peterS | HermanDE: hmmmm. the DVD lens would be more sensitive to dust than the CDRW lens? |
| 18:19.29 | benjamindees | atula, get a cable and connect the sound card line out to a rca line in on the receiver |
| 18:19.33 | atula | HermanDE: I'm trying to set up a karaoke with a stand alone mixer and receiver |
| 18:19.44 | HermanDE | atula: Line out on sound card to Line in on the Stereo.... |
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| 18:20.51 | atula | benjamindees: so... here's what I think I know.... the receiver acts like the central hub. I would hook all the audio out of the mixer, DVD, VCR into the receiver and the vieo into the TV |
| 18:20.52 | HermanDE | peterS: Some DVD/CDROM systems use two different lenses. One may be more dirty than the other.... Just that simple.... |
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| 18:21.23 | peterS | HermanDE: so what is involved in cleaning it? taking the drive apart? or is there a way to clean it without doing that? |
| 18:22.06 | Vlad | hiya, I get an error when I try to apt-get postfix-tls: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1430 |
| 18:22.07 | benjamindees | atula, yes but this is way offtopic |
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| 18:22.15 | lixhell | hi |
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| 18:22.29 | HermanDE | peterS: If the player is cheap. Then it will have plastic lenses. Taking it apart will provide the most direct method. There are a few cdrom looking devices that you put into the player.... |
| 18:22.33 | atula | benjamindees: that's why I'm asking for referral to resources... didn't dare ask for solution... |
| 18:22.42 | ingins | [00000251] dvdread demuxer error: DVDRead cannot open source: /dev/dvd :/ |
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| 18:23.05 | maicongt | no entende nada do q hablas |
| 18:23.06 | atula | benjamindees: Google returns were extremely unhelpful... that's why I turn to #debian |
| 18:23.08 | mhall | HermanDE: I thought _all_ used separate lenses for each mode. |
| 18:23.09 | HermanDE | peterS: These cleaners usually use a brush. Just keep in mind that alchol will destroy plastic..... |
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| 18:23.21 | atula | I seem to come here for things I cannot solve... or believe unsolvable... |
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| 18:23.39 | peterS | HermanDE: ahh. I have another CDRW drive, maybe I'll swap it in next time I have to reboot (which is not often) and take the DVDROM one apart some time |
| 18:23.51 | HermanDE | mhall: Nope. Some of the newer systems use a single lense... |
| 18:24.14 | HermanDE | mhall: Strange how tech moves.. :) |
| 18:24.17 | Andrew_P | is anyone experienced at OpenSSL API? I've included neccesary headers but get 'undefined reference' messages... Is there some special way to run GCC to do that? |
| 18:24.19 | lixhell | I'm looking informations about oracle + c |
| 18:24.29 | tarzeau | lixhell: #c #oracle |
| 18:24.38 | mhall | HermanDE: Got to save that $0.05 per unit! |
| 18:24.39 | lixhell | somebody can help me? |
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| 18:24.47 | peterS | lixhell: yeah since debian doesn't ship oracle, we can't help much with information about it |
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| 18:25.04 | mhall | HermanDE: Maximizing shareholder value. Don't you love it? BTW, did I mention I'm against stock? |
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| 18:25.04 | HermanDE | mhall: Or how about a single chip method connected to a single laser/reader.... |
| 18:25.36 | lixhell | I m looking a library for ODBC or similar |
| 18:25.48 | HermanDE | mhall: Which stock.. I usually enjoy my stock in my tech stockpile in my office..... |
| 18:26.03 | Andrew_P | but debian ships openssl, so i hope somebody will ansrew my question :) |
| 18:26.10 | lixhell | for my programs in C seek oracle |
| 18:26.10 | Andrew_P | *answer |
| 18:26.11 | mhall | HermanDE: lol |
| 18:26.42 | lixhell | where i look? debian-dev?? |
| 18:26.54 | HermanDE | lixhell: apt-cache search odbc |
| 18:27.06 | DragonDav | how do i set xterm's colors? |
| 18:27.21 | peterS | lixhell: it doesn't appear that the odbc packages in debian support oracle. perhaps you can find some third-party odbc module for oracle which works with the unixodbc package |
| 18:27.24 | HermanDE | DragonDav: Are you still using xterm? |
| 18:27.38 | peterS | DragonDav: the simple method is the 'xtermcontrol' program |
| 18:27.49 | peterS | DragonDav: the other way is editing ~/.Xresources directly |
| 18:28.17 | peterS | DragonDav: for example, a line from my ~/.Xresources file: XTerm.vt100.foreground: #faebd7 |
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| 18:28.42 | peterS | DragonDav: you can see what resource names (like 'foreground' above) are available, in 'man xterm' |
| 18:28.49 | lixhell | yes, but in uniodbc.org talk about one driver pay |
| 18:28.50 | airox | hi everybody |
| 18:29.02 | airox | My cron isn't working anymore. |
| 18:29.24 | airox | The auth.log is saying this all the time: Dec 31 19:28:01 dev CRON[24015]: System error |
| 18:29.26 | HermanDE | airox: What does the log file say? |
| 18:29.33 | airox | Beat you to it! |
| 18:29.41 | airox | I even got strace logs of cron. |
| 18:29.42 | lixhell | i find something GPL |
| 18:29.46 | peterS | lixhell: I guess that's what you have available then |
| 18:29.48 | HermanDE | airox: Ok.. Now how about the syslog.... |
| 18:30.05 | Loof | Anyone here know if there is a working iSCSI target for Linux? |
| 18:30.06 | airox | Nothing in there. |
| 18:30.14 | DragonDav | peterS: i don't have .Xresources |
| 18:30.25 | peterS | DragonDav: you can just create it |
| 18:30.27 | airox | I have a part of the strace log, let me post it. |
| 18:30.30 | lixhell | I saw CCI and OO4O |
| 18:30.31 | HermanDE | Loof: I just read something about a networked IDE system. Seems to be Linux only.... |
| 18:30.36 | feross | airox: /etc/init.d/crond restart ?? that help |
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| 18:30.43 | lixhell | but this ins'not GPL |
| 18:30.44 | airox | I tried that. |
| 18:30.44 | peterS | DragonDav: I told you the syntax for xterm resources in it. and yes, it's case-sensitive |
| 18:30.51 | Loof | HermanDE: Where? :) |
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| 18:30.53 | HermanDE | Loof: It is on freshmeat.net .. A few days ago..... |
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| 18:31.00 | airox | It still doesn't run root's crontab, a users crontab or the /etc/crontab file. |
| 18:31.13 | Loof | Hmm, I saw a few things on AoE.. (ATA over Ethernet) but I don't see any Windows 'clients' for it. |
| 18:31.22 | peterS | lixhell: I suppose the theory is that if you were willing to pay all that money for Oracle in the first place, you'd be willing to pay for the odbc driver too |
| 18:31.27 | HermanDE | Loof: Yep.. That was it.... |
| 18:31.36 | airox | check this strace partial log: http://rafb.net/paste/results/tajzlX73.html |
| 18:31.41 | airox | I can't make much sense of it. |
| 18:31.44 | nayyres | is there exact replacement to MSFrontpage, i have used bluefish, but i am searching for exact replace? |
| 18:31.56 | jbroome | nope, thank god |
| 18:31.57 | HermanDE | Loof: Oh.. You are looking for windows support.... How should I respond on a Debian board? |
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| 18:32.28 | jbroome | !lart Loof |
| 18:32.32 | lixhell | I know |
| 18:32.34 | HermanDE | nayyres: Wine... Put a glass of wine with the Front Page..... |
| 18:32.35 | jbroome | HermanDE: that's a good way |
| 18:33.12 | peterS | lixhell: so anyway, there is also 'iodbc', which competes with unixodbc. I do not know which is better. |
| 18:33.20 | airox | Where should I look ? |
| 18:33.22 | HermanDE | Loof: I think you will have to actually purchase a compatable system..... |
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| 18:33.45 | lixhell | but we do not pay for oracle, it we came in a solution of avaya, we use Postgres. |
| 18:34.04 | nayyres | HermanDE, thanks, but i am wondering there should be a replce. |
| 18:34.12 | lixhell | we need access this |
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| 18:34.43 | HermanDE | nayyres: A complete direct replacement will not be available. |
| 18:34.51 | lixhell | then I'm looking one GPL solution for this |
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| 18:35.08 | airox | Maybe MS Frontpage runs with Cedega or Wine ? |
| 18:35.10 | HermanDE | nayyres: There are many different systems that offer a lot of the same features. And in some cases more.. Than front page..... |
| 18:35.14 | whatever | the answer to this is probably blatantly obvious....but I've never attempted this before. is there a way to change users without logging out? (not su) like, su in functionality thought. |
| 18:35.18 | peterS | lixhell: right, keep looking. I don't think #debian can help you much further at this point. we already established that debian doesn't ship an oracle odbc driver |
| 18:35.27 | HermanDE | nayyres: it depends on what you are looking for.... |
| 18:35.34 | peterS | whatever: what do you mean 'not su'? why not su? |
| 18:35.41 | airox | Damn my cron seems to be borked for a long time! |
| 18:35.45 | whatever | peterS: an alternative to su rather. |
| 18:35.48 | michael | airox: there's a good chance running the whole office package (incl. frontpage) with wine |
| 18:35.51 | lekvar | Does anyone in here run 2.6.14 and see "kernel: eth0: interrupt(s) dropped!" errors? What's up with that? |
| 18:35.56 | peterS | whatever: what do you want the alternative to do, that su does not already do? |
| 18:36.12 | airox | HermanDE: Got a clue about my cron problem ? |
| 18:36.13 | nayyres | HermanDE, i see |
| 18:36.16 | DragonDav | peterS: ok i have cygwin installed and working. how do i use XWin to connect to my server? it says something like XWin :0 -query <ip> |
| 18:36.22 | HermanDE | airox: Did you try and fire cron as a stand alone app..... See where it crashes.... |
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| 18:36.41 | whatever | peterS: I was thinking something that just goes user to user, and dosen't have to option of being able to gain root access (granted it takes effort) |
| 18:36.48 | peterS | DragonDav: that sounds right. but -query only works if the other end is running xdm or compatible, and listening for remote requests for a session |
| 18:36.51 | whatever | *the |
| 18:36.58 | HermanDE | airox: I just looked under your cron hood.. You need to replace the alternator.... |
| 18:37.01 | airox | HermanDE: Trying that now. |
| 18:37.11 | peterS | whatever: eh, 'su' does exactly that, and you don't have the option of root access unless you happen to know the root password |
| 18:37.23 | airox | HermanDE: Let me replace it's tires also. |
| 18:37.25 | ixion | guys, where do you configure the DNS client from please? new install, I need to give it the correct dns servers etc |
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| 18:37.45 | DragonDav | peterS: so i need to install xdm on my server? |
| 18:37.50 | HermanDE | ixion: /etc/resolv.conf man resolv.conf |
| 18:37.51 | lixhell | thak |
| 18:37.52 | bbrazil | ixion: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:37.52 | ludovicus | hey all |
| 18:37.54 | whatever | peterS: I'm aware of that. I was just looking for something with more limited functionality. |
| 18:37.58 | lixhell | for all |
| 18:37.59 | ixion | thanks |
| 18:38.05 | airox | HermanDE: It's saying "System Error" :) |
| 18:38.06 | whatever | peterS: thanks though |
| 18:38.13 | ludovicus | any leads on how to configure wireless pcmcia |
| 18:38.25 | peterS | whatever: so in other words you want 'su' but with a blacklist so you can get to any account *except* root |
| 18:38.26 | HermanDE | airox: Is this sarge? |
| 18:38.27 | lixhell | ops, thanks |
| 18:38.38 | whatever | peterS: exactly. ;) |
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| 18:38.48 | peterS | whatever: you can probably configure /etc/pam.d/su to add a module that limits the user list, but that might be inconvenient in case you ever do want to su to root |
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| 18:38.56 | Loof | As far as windows & linux... they're just operating systems. I want something that works with every computer I have... and that includes various operating systems. |
| 18:38.58 | kspath | no wheel access? |
| 18:39.19 | airox | HermanDE: etch |
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| 18:39.32 | peterS | DragonDav: you can install xdm on the server, and configure it for remote access, but note that if you do so, anyone can request a login session to your server, and that makes password cracking a bit easier |
| 18:39.41 | |RABBIT| | greetings |
| 18:39.51 | airox | greetings |
| 18:39.54 | Loof | But, it doesn't matter... I'm looking at iSCSI as opposed to AoE... because the latter seems to only support hard drives... not removable media |
| 18:39.55 | Daveman | Hey |RABBIT| |
| 18:39.56 | HermanDE | Loof: I think you will have to purchase a commercial system. That includes support for Windows and MAC. Linux support will be more difficult.... |
| 18:39.57 | whatever | peterS: very true, thats why I was hoping to have some other program that allows user changing, but restricts 'su' usage to all users but a selected list of them. |
| 18:40.00 | Daveman | peterS! |
| 18:40.01 | peterS | DragonDav: an alternative is to start up XWin :0, then use 'ssh -X' from the client to the server, then run stuff from within the ssh session |
| 18:40.10 | |RABBIT| | Daveman: you still alive? |
| 18:40.15 | peterS | it's a Daveman! |
| 18:40.16 | Daveman | I am now! :D |
| 18:40.17 | ingins | i think i know why my dvd wont work ls: /dev/hdd: No such file or directory |
| 18:40.21 | Daveman | hooray :P |
| 18:40.23 | |RABBIT| | Daveman: my NY celebration is ruined... :( |
| 18:40.24 | ingins | but how can i fix it?? |
| 18:40.24 | |RABBIT| | :PP |
| 18:40.25 | Daveman | Indeed. |
| 18:40.27 | Loof | HermanDE: I want something with linux support that happens to have Windows support. |
| 18:40.28 | whatever | gosh....I love trillians builtin IRC client. XD |
| 18:40.30 | Daveman | oh noes! :P |
| 18:40.32 | Loof | HermanDE: Not the other way around. |
| 18:40.34 | HermanDE | airox: I wish I could help... I'm a stable type of person.. Have you tried to reinstall cron? |
| 18:40.35 | Daveman | oh wait |
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| 18:40.45 | Daveman | silly rabbit, I'd MAKE your NY celebration! |
| 18:40.52 | HermanDE | Loof: Have you considered purchasing an NFS client for your windows boxes... |
| 18:40.57 | Loof | HermanDE: iSCSI has windows support... but the Linux drivers I've played with all seem broken |
| 18:41.00 | Daveman | speaking of which, who's coming tonight? :) |
| 18:41.02 | HermanDE | Loof: I think there may be free NFS clients for windows.... |
| 18:41.10 | airox | HermanDE: Did that, trying to apt-get clean and then reinstall it now. |
| 18:41.13 | |RABBIT| | Daveman: where? :D |
| 18:41.14 | Loof | HermanDE: Uhm, if NFS or SMB could do what I wanted to do... do you -think- I'd worry about iSCSI?? |
| 18:41.23 | Loof | HermanDE: I want to share out a DVD burner |
| 18:41.28 | kspath | hummingbird has X and nfs stuffs I think for windblowz |
| 18:41.30 | Daveman | I hear there's some talk of some sort of spherical-shaped object, which is released from a predetermined height... |
| 18:41.34 | lixhell | happy new year!!! |
| 18:41.40 | Daveman | Rabbit, teh city, silly :p |
| 18:41.42 | Daveman | yeah |
| 18:41.47 | Daveman | gg year |
| 18:41.57 | HermanDE | Loof: Ok.. For DVD burning? |
| 18:41.57 | Daveman | :P |
| 18:41.57 | Loof | Yep |
| 18:41.59 | |RABBIT| | Daveman: that's too far, name another "the" city |
| 18:42.00 | peterS | DragonDav: oh and I should mention that if you use 'ssh -X' I suggest using compression as well: 'ssh -XC'. in either case you'll need to enable the X11Forwarding option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on your linux box |
| 18:42.00 | airox | lixhell: It's already new year at your place ? |
| 18:42.05 | ingins | how can i make /dev/hdd ??? |
| 18:42.14 | Loof | My primary platform is Linux... I'd rather use iSCSI than have a USB connected burner |
| 18:42.21 | airox | HermanDE: Still the same errors :( |
| 18:42.24 | HermanDE | Loof: My experience with burning across a network .. has shown that it simply sucks..... |
| 18:42.27 | airox | Maybe anyone else can help me out with this ? |
| 18:42.29 | whatever | ingins: ....it already exists. |
| 18:42.33 | Daveman | Rabbit, why... where you at? |
| 18:42.40 | airox | It's quite frustrating at old years eve :) |
| 18:42.43 | ingins | whatever, no ls: /dev/hdd: No such file or directory |
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| 18:42.47 | Loof | HermanDE: 1G ethernet should cover the b/w requirements. |
| 18:42.51 | whatever | HermanDE: agreed, unless you can buffer it |
| 18:42.51 | ludovicus | halo, i asked dpkg about wireless connection and it referred me to a page but i'm looking for more nuts&bolts |
| 18:42.54 | DragonDav | peterS: i was installing xdm, would ssh -XC be better than xdm? |
| 18:42.57 | |RABBIT| | Daveman: midwest |
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| 18:43.02 | whatever | ingins: you don't access it directly. |
| 18:43.04 | HermanDE | Loof: In the alternative, I have installed a web base system that allows users to place files that need to be burnt... |
| 18:43.06 | |RABBIT| | the home of the fighting irish if you follow nfl |
| 18:43.12 | ingins | whatever, then how? |
| 18:43.15 | peterS | DragonDav: it's more secure. when you log in to the linux box through xdm, your password is sent out in the clear. |
| 18:43.15 | whatever | ingins: you have to mount it, or access it through fdisk, etc |
| 18:43.16 | lixhell | no, I am talking from Brazil |
| 18:43.17 | Daveman | rabbit, lame! |
| 18:43.20 | Daveman | :P |
| 18:43.21 | ingins | whatever, its my DVD |
| 18:43.22 | Loof | hermanDE: Why would I bother... I can burn from the commandline. |
| 18:43.24 | |RABBIT| | ain't it :) |
| 18:43.25 | peterS | DragonDav: xdm is more convenient, though, and looks nicer |
| 18:43.31 | lixhell | but I am going out |
| 18:43.37 | Loof | HermanDE: What I am looking for is something that lets the windows box see the burner as a local device. |
| 18:43.38 | lixhell | :d |
| 18:43.45 | Loof | HermanDE: Just like TwainSANE did for my scanner |
| 18:43.54 | whatever | ingins: mount /dev/hdd /media/cdrom |
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| 18:44.05 | peterS | DragonDav: anyway if you want to use xdm, you'll need to edit /etc/X11/xdm.conf (I think that's the name of the file) and enable remote XDMCP requests. I forget the name of the option but it'll be about XDMCP. |
| 18:44.06 | whatever | ingins: or some directory that already exists |
| 18:44.08 | HermanDE | Loof: Scanning does not have such a tight time requirement..... |
| 18:44.11 | ingins | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 18:44.12 | airox | Who broke my cron! Just tell me, you won't be murdered! |
| 18:44.15 | whatever | ingins: there might be some kind of auto mount feature. |
| 18:44.22 | Loof | HermanDE: Neither does burning these days... |
| 18:44.25 | ingins | -t auto isent working |
| 18:44.28 | gentgeen__ | How do I go back to Xfree86 as my default xserver -- X.org keeps causing feezes? |
| 18:44.34 | HermanDE | airox: Are all of the scripts working well? |
| 18:44.42 | Loof | Modern burners can safely 'pause' in the middle of a burn to wait for their buffers to be filled |
| 18:44.43 | ingins | HermanDE, you can use webmin to burn |
| 18:44.43 | HermanDE | Loof: Put a bit of math to it..... |
| 18:44.54 | peterS | DragonDav: also, you will probably need to disable the "local display" in xdm.conf - that's the graphics card built in to the linux box |
| 18:45.01 | HermanDE | Loof: Lets start with a 10x DVD burner.... |
| 18:45.07 | lixhell | somebody use E DR17 |
| 18:45.08 | peterS | (I'm assuming it's actually a headless box) |
| 18:45.09 | lixhell | ??? |
| 18:45.20 | |RABBIT| | anyway - here is a question, can one have all VCs in byte mode, while all xterms, konsoles and alike in utf mode automatically? |
| 18:45.22 | HermanDE | Loof: That means there is a requirement for shipping 4.7 GiB in about 7 minutes.... |
| 18:45.23 | whatever | ingins: erm, does /dev/hdd1 make a difference? |
| 18:45.36 | |RABBIT| | that is without setting lc_lang back and forth |
| 18:45.53 | DragonDav | peterS: i make the assumetion allso |
| 18:45.55 | HermanDE | Loof: That would be about 32 Gib in 7 minutes...... |
| 18:46.01 | airox | HermanDE: I commented all the scripts now. |
| 18:46.02 | Loof | HermanDE: Yes, I understand what you are saying... but hell, I can burn at 2x...who cares. |
| 18:46.14 | airox | but one offcourse :) |
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| 18:46.34 | HermanDE | Loof: Ok.. That would be 4.7 GiB in 45 minutes.... |
| 18:46.39 | Loof | Yep |
| 18:46.58 | HermanDE | Loof: Does your network allow you to transfer that much info in that amount of time? |
| 18:46.59 | whatever | ingins: I don't do much mounting with cd's so this is my experience with hd's sd's |
| 18:47.03 | peterS | 45 minutes? so like 1x DVD playback only gives you 90 minutes on a single-layer disc? |
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| 18:47.19 | Loof | Let's look at 8x for a moment. |
| 18:47.27 | airox | HermanDE: still "System error" |
| 18:47.43 | peterS | for some reason I thought a single-layer DVD was more like 2 hours of playback |
| 18:47.47 | Loof | that's 11MB per second |
| 18:47.50 | Loof | That's 88Mb |
| 18:47.54 | HermanDE | airox: Try a verbose cron launch..... |
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| 18:48.02 | Loof | I've got 1G ethernet |
| 18:48.22 | HermanDE | Loof: Ok.. Can your network sustain that much transfer for about 10 minutes.... |
| 18:48.23 | airox | HermanDE: I did "echo sd > /home/crontestfile" |
| 18:48.48 | Loof | Uhm, yes. |
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| 18:48.58 | balc | I'm trying to get my dell 720 (rebranded lexmark) working in sarge, I found a couple faqs online and installed the drivers but still cannot print a test page... |
| 18:48.59 | HermanDE | Loof: Ethernet efficently works at 15% load..... |
| 18:49.00 | Loof | Switched ethernet on a dedicated LAN |
| 18:49.01 | Loof | definitely |
| 18:49.08 | Loof | ooh, let's see |
| 18:49.15 | Loof | 15% of 1000M |
| 18:49.16 | Loof | 150M |
| 18:49.18 | Loof | I'd need 88M |
| 18:49.21 | Loof | tada |
| 18:49.26 | Loof | (bits) |
| 18:49.27 | HermanDE | Loof: Can both systems support that speed for a sustained 10 minutes? |
| 18:49.34 | Loof | yes. |
| 18:49.42 | whatever | actually its usually 120 sustained. |
| 18:49.49 | Loof | Otherwise they wouldn't be able to burn locally, much less remotely |
| 18:49.50 | balc | anyone here install a lexmark on debian before? |
| 18:50.01 | SimonRaven | someone has $$ growing from their pockets... |
| 18:50.04 | airox | HermanDE: Can I ask if you have a /etc/pam.d/cron file ? |
| 18:50.07 | Loof | Or is my network going to magically degrade over time |
| 18:50.19 | whatever | SimonRaven: yeah, but if you want some it'll cost ya |
| 18:50.20 | Loof | Maybe I'll use up the magic smoke while I'm transfering so much data. |
| 18:50.21 | HermanDE | Loof: Wow. If you actually tested it and it has that sort of capacity... I'd be very impressed.... |
| 18:50.35 | Loof | It's a dedicated switched 1G ethernet. |
| 18:50.37 | gentgeen__ | How do I go back to Xfree86 as my default xserver? |
| 18:50.50 | Loof | It can push around 200Mb/s |
| 18:50.54 | Loof | that's constnat |
| 18:50.58 | Loof | 500+ burst |
| 18:51.01 | whatever | Loof: ......I find that hard to believe. |
| 18:51.02 | HermanDE | Loof: People forget that the speed of the network is only one part of the problem.... |
| 18:51.15 | SimonRaven | whatever: it was a comment, nothing more. whateva |
| 18:51.16 | Loof | whatever: I benchmarked it... that's what it did. |
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| 18:51.26 | HermanDE | Loof: Now you have to worry about cpu load, speed to the hard drive, ethernet card loading..... |
| 18:51.43 | SimonRaven | gentgeen__: you don't |
| 18:51.50 | Loof | HermanDE: Yah, but that's trivial... because it -DOES NOT MATTER- |
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| 18:51.59 | abrotman | gentgeen__: why would you want to ? |
| 18:52.01 | airox | Can anyone look for me if he or she got a /etc/pam.d/cron file ? |
| 18:52.02 | HermanDE | Loof: Ok... Good luck... :) |
| 18:52.03 | Loof | The 1st thing I need to worry about is that I can actually -share- it over the network |
| 18:52.07 | SimonRaven | sure it doesn't |
| 18:52.10 | whatever | HermandDE: :P |
| 18:52.17 | airox | Please :) |
| 18:52.18 | peterS | Loof: of course what will really happen is people will try to burn stuff from some remote share, and you'll have that 88 Mbit both coming and going. with decent network cards and network stacks, that won't cause any difficulty, but anyway |
| 18:52.22 | Loof | I can't find an AoE client for Windows... I can't find a -working- iSCSI target for Linux |
| 18:52.32 | bizkit | a friend of me has setup his gbit network, the limitating factor is the other hardware now, especially the harddisc speed.. |
| 18:52.43 | gentgeen__ | ever since I switched to X.org (via aptitude dist-upgrade) -- It keeps randomly freezing my screen |
| 18:52.45 | Loof | bizkit: Yep, definitely. |
| 18:52.49 | airox | hmm |
| 18:52.50 | gentgeen__ | I have to ssh into the box and kill Xorg |
| 18:52.57 | Loof | peterS: You're assuming there are other people. |
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| 18:53.11 | HermanDE | airox: Not to sure... Could be that cron is currently borked in etch.... |
| 18:53.19 | Loof | peterS: Also, modern ethernet is full duplex |
| 18:53.26 | Loof | peterS: That 200M/s is bidirectional |
| 18:53.27 | HermanDE | airox: I'll check my pam.... |
| 18:53.32 | Spliffster | some bash experts here ? |
| 18:53.33 | airox | HermanDE: Thanks! |
| 18:53.33 | whatever | Loof: theoretical. |
| 18:53.34 | Loof | 200M going, 200M coming |
| 18:53.37 | abrotman | gentgeen__: maybe you should find out why |
| 18:53.37 | Loof | Mind you, that's BITS |
| 18:53.39 | Loof | not BYTES |
| 18:53.43 | whatever | gosh..... |
| 18:53.45 | peterS | Loof: I know it is. although apparently Gbit still supports collision detection (yes!) |
| 18:53.45 | Loof | 88M/Bits |
| 18:53.45 | abrotman | Spliffster: #bash ? |
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| 18:53.51 | Loof | 200M/bits |
| 18:53.54 | Spliffster | abrotman, :) |
| 18:54.00 | airox | According to debian.org there should be a file named cron :( |
| 18:54.03 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, been trying :-( |
| 18:54.05 | SimonRaven | only if it's switched |
| 18:54.09 | airox | It ssems to be vanished! |
| 18:54.12 | abrotman | gentgeen__: read your logs ? |
| 18:54.19 | Loof | whatever: No... it is 1000M/s theoretical... 200M/s in my network |
| 18:54.20 | abrotman | gentgeen__: what driver? |
| 18:54.21 | gentgeen__ | I keep getting this error in the .xsession-errors: |
| 18:54.24 | gentgeen__ | bt::PenCache: GC : cache fault at 23, count: 1, screen: 0, item screen: 0 |
| 18:54.38 | Loof | So, back to my original question. |
| 18:54.39 | abrotman | airox: apt-file search etc/pam.d/cron |
| 18:54.47 | Loof | Anyone know of a WORKING iSCSI target for Linux? |
| 18:54.52 | SimonRaven | of course this stupid thing can't take anything i throw at it. GIMME A PPC DAMNIT |
| 18:54.57 | peterS | Loof: for unimaginable reasons, the 1000BaseT standard actually still supports a non-switched architecture. I don't suppose there really *are* any non-switching hubs at 1000 |
| 18:55.04 | HermanDE | airox: Yep... Got it.... |
| 18:55.10 | airox | Darn it! |
| 18:55.16 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, Nvidia driver |
| 18:55.20 | shadow98 | where do i setup apache to listen on port 8080? |
| 18:55.35 | peterS | shadow98: /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 18:55.40 | HermanDE | shadow98: How about /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 18:55.42 | sdakota | abrotman: I came up with another idea of the preinstallation of these packages. Ehh... Is there an easy way to check if a package is already installed and if so, what version? ^_^ |
| 18:55.47 | abrotman | gentgeen__: maybe ask #nvidia ? |
| 18:55.48 | SimonRaven | i knew it |
| 18:55.49 | Loof | peterS: Well, two cards connected by crossover cable are unswitched... but they also won't have collisions :) |
| 18:55.59 | abrotman | sdakota: dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 18:56.03 | Loof | And I'm sure there ARE passive bhubs for 1G :) |
| 18:56.18 | peterS | Loof: you think there are? I wonder why anyone would bother |
| 18:56.28 | Loof | peterS: Money |
| 18:56.32 | sdakota | abrotman, L, i or | ? |
| 18:56.49 | Loof | If it could be made for $2 less, they'd do it |
| 18:56.53 | peterS | Loof: I don't buy the the money argument. just use a 100Mbit switch, that'll be cheaper yet |
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| 18:57.20 | Loof | peterS: Because not everyone knows better... they see a $40 hub...says 1G... they have no clue what switching means |
| 18:57.32 | peterS | Loof: oh maybe. I haven't seen any, anyway |
| 18:57.48 | Loof | Oh well, back to google. |
| 18:57.51 | SimonRaven | you'd be surprised to what point a business will go to cut corners^Wcosts |
| 18:57.58 | peterS | Loof: I hear 10GE, however, does *not* support collision detection. *whew*. |
| 18:58.03 | abrotman | sdakota: L |
| 18:58.04 | sdakota | abrotman, I think L, seeing the font |
| 18:58.08 | whatever | I don't think they make non-switching copper gigabit. |
| 18:58.11 | sdakota | abrotman, Ok ^_^ Thanks |
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| 18:58.33 | madradrone | how to disable the annoying tab completion bell? set bell-style none in /etc/inputrc has no effect |
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| 18:58.36 | VivekVC | Happy New Year. |
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| 18:58.43 | airox | Ha! It's working!!!!!!!! |
| 18:58.44 | abrotman | what's happy about it ? |
| 18:58.54 | peterS | madradrone: in what, bash? zsh? tcsh? |
| 18:58.59 | airox | I extracted the deb and copied the file manually. |
| 18:59.01 | HermanDE | airox: Ok... What sort of magic powder did you use? |
| 18:59.16 | airox | Installing it with dpkg -i didn't copy the file in /etc/pam.d in some sort of way! |
| 18:59.19 | |RABBIT| | abrotman: you got a whole year to figure it out :) |
| 18:59.20 | airox | How could this be ? |
| 18:59.21 | madradrone | peterS: there is no system-wide way to disable it for all? but anyways - yes - bash |
| 18:59.25 | SimonRaven | stop using a lame shell :P |
| 18:59.25 | HermanDE | airox: eeww.. dpkg has probs... :) |
| 18:59.33 | peterS | airox: dpkg -i --force-confmiss |
| 18:59.46 | peterS | airox: it's a feature, not a bug. --force-confmiss disables the feature |
| 18:59.49 | ludovicus | helo again i need a howto for wireless, what i don't understand, is what is the hardware alias for pcmcia cards in linux"debian" |
| 18:59.53 | airox | peterS: ahhh |
| 19:00.17 | airox | HermanDE: My cron wasn't working since 4 November O_o |
| 19:00.21 | peterS | madradrone: the reason I asked is that bash, zsh and tcsh have separate implementations of tab completion. the bash one uses readline and thus /etc/inputrc |
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| 19:00.48 | madradrone | peterS: oh. but i altered /etc/inputrc then re-logged in, to no effect |
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| 19:00.58 | abrotman | |RABBIT|: not really .. it won't be a new year all year :) |
| 19:01.27 | sdakota | can I install python2.4.2 on Debian? I'm installing debian at this moment and would like to know. |
| 19:01.30 | peterS | madradrone: don't know then, you're on the right track there |
| 19:02.02 | whatever | sdakota: from source or package? |
| 19:02.20 | |RABBIT| | abrotman: I meant you'll have the "research subject" in your lab for a year :) |
| 19:02.35 | |RABBIT| | then again - next year you scrap it and take on 07 |
| 19:02.36 | madradrone | peterS: maybe that file is not sourced on login, but at some earlier time |
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| 19:02.56 | peterS | madradrone: it is sourced every time a readline app starts, and bash is a readline app |
| 19:03.04 | whatever | sdakota: I just checked, the 2.4.2-2 package is in the x86 tree. |
| 19:03.23 | madradrone | peterS: then there must be something wrong. |
| 19:03.24 | stouset | I've been doing some testing with laptop hibernation, and it seems that my laptop simply doesn't come back from ACPI sleep when I'm using a framebuffer console. |
| 19:03.36 | stouset | Is this something kind of understood to be broken, or is there a workaround? |
| 19:03.42 | peterS | madradrone: you can try editing ~/.inputrc, but that shouldn't be necessary |
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| 19:04.34 | HermanDE | stouset: My only experience was on a mac with deb... Worked pretty well.... |
| 19:05.01 | whatever | well, I'm out. happy new years guys! |
| 19:05.09 | whatever | *year.... |
| 19:05.18 | HermanDE | whatever: Happy 2006th year of history... |
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| 19:05.39 | whatever | HermanDE: ....what happened to pre AD? XD |
| 19:06.07 | HermanDE | whatever: That was not historic.... :) It's hard to say year minus 2006.... |
| 19:06.08 | Loof | Well happy new year and all that jazz |
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| 19:06.09 | Loof | Later |
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| 19:06.23 | whatever | HermanDE: lol, later |
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| 19:06.50 | mtomczak | Hm... I just tried to dselect the gnucash package, and it seems to have a pair of dependencies that conflict with each other. |
| 19:06.59 | HermanDE | I really belive that Loof will create a lot of plastic coffee coasters..... |
| 19:07.01 | mtomczak | Is anyone else seeing that, or do I need to check my configs? |
| 19:07.11 | plb | anyone using blackbox in here have issues with menu generation? |
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| 19:08.24 | stouset | HermanDE: Even with a high-res console? |
| 19:08.27 | abrotman | plb: need more info |
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| 19:08.40 | HermanDE | mtnman: Just as a suggestion.... try aptitude instead of dselect.... |
| 19:09.11 | plb | abrotman: after installing blackbox 0.70 all i get in the menu is an xterm and .blackboxrc won't read where my custom menu is |
| 19:09.29 | HermanDE | stouset: Just the idea of burning a DVD across a net... screams coaster..... |
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| 19:10.35 | abrotman | plb: which X .. which debian ? |
| 19:11.02 | plb | abrotman: unstable and the latest xorg in unstable 6.9 i believe |
| 19:11.05 | madradrone | "apropos bell" -> nothing; "apropos inputrc" nothing; "man inputrc" -> nothing; "dpkg -S /etc/inputrc" -> nothing; <i am going to explode if i hear this freakin' bell one more time> |
| 19:11.35 | abrotman | plb: and do you have menu-xdg ? |
| 19:11.37 | HermanDE | madradrone: There is a little wire in the case..... |
| 19:12.02 | madradrone | HermanDE: not advisable on a Thinkpad with nice integraded speakers |
| 19:12.20 | plb | abrotman: do you mean do I have menu installed? |
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| 19:12.41 | HermanDE | madradrone: Are you using xterm? |
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| 19:13.01 | HermanDE | madradrone: Just guessing... setterm? |
| 19:13.02 | madradrone | HermanDE: just a regular term - non-X |
| 19:13.29 | yves | hello again. Why is it that whenever I reboot my PC, Debian doen't keep my soundcard config. I have to go thru alsaconf every time. |
| 19:13.42 | abrotman | plb: do you have menu-xdg installed |
| 19:14.03 | plb | abrotman: yes |
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| 19:15.11 | plb | yves: after alsaconf do you alsactl store? |
| 19:15.41 | mtomczak | aptitude. Thanks for the suggestion; that's helpful! It seems that there is a version issue between gnucash and gnucash-common that dselect wasn't showing. |
| 19:15.51 | mtomczak | So I can chase in that direction :) |
| 19:15.56 | yves | also, when I boot, it doesn't keep my defaulkt choice of getting KDE up, it always revert back to gnome. |
| 19:16.06 | abrotman | plb: is this a package ? |
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| 19:16.17 | laurens_ | greetings! |
| 19:16.18 | HermanDE | mtomczak: Yep... that was my turning point to aptitude as well... |
| 19:16.33 | plb | abrotman: is what a package? everything I installed is via apt |
| 19:16.51 | laurens_ | what is the best way to stream audio and possibly video over my network? |
| 19:16.57 | abrotman | plb: and you have menu and menu-xdg installed ? |
| 19:16.58 | laurens_ | i have a headles server |
| 19:17.03 | plb | abrotman: yes |
| 19:17.05 | HermanDE | laurens_: fast.... |
| 19:17.13 | abrotman | plb: have you logged out/in ? |
| 19:17.27 | plb | no |
| 19:17.28 | laurens_ | I have thought of vlc but it's rather ugly to configure if you dont have X |
| 19:17.30 | plb | lemme try |
| 19:17.46 | HermanDE | laurens_: audio...slimp3 on the server.... |
| 19:17.56 | HermanDE | laurens_: not too sure about video.... |
| 19:18.55 | laurens_ | anyone done vlc streaming yet? |
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| 19:19.14 | plb | abrotman: still isn't working |
| 19:19.25 | HermanDE | laurens_: I tried it over wifi... It sucked.... |
| 19:19.42 | HermanDE | laurens_: And that was laptop to laptop at 30,000 feet under windows..... |
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| 19:20.48 | bizkit | re |
| 19:20.53 | airox | For the one's that not had it yet, happy old years eve :) |
| 19:20.58 | bizkit | wrong chan. sry |
| 19:21.03 | abrotman | plb: which menu are you talking about ? |
| 19:21.09 | airox | HermanDE: thanks |
| 19:21.11 | airox | peterS: thanks |
| 19:21.13 | airox | bye! |
| 19:21.32 | plb | abrotman: the blackbox menu where you right click on the desktop |
| 19:21.42 | abrotman | plb: that should be handled by menu or menu-xdg |
| 19:21.43 | plb | it also shows no toolbar |
| 19:21.58 | abrotman | plb: uhm .. no toolbar is definitely bad |
| 19:22.05 | plb | yeah |
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| 19:22.40 | DragonDav | peterS: you there i have another question. |
| 19:22.49 | peterS | DragonDav: ask |
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| 19:23.32 | abrotman | peterS: run .. i will defend you! |
| 19:23.43 | DragonDav | when running a local X server and doing ssh x fowarding it i try to run programs on the menus then run locally right? |
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| 19:23.53 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
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| 19:24.45 | abrotman | Daveman: did you know that cows are black and white ? |
| 19:24.50 | lunitik | DragonDav: they run wherever the server is... they display wherever they were accessed |
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| 19:24.56 | Daveman | abrotman, typically, yes, they are. |
| 19:25.08 | Daveman | abrotman, fascinating, isn't it? |
| 19:25.08 | DragonDav | ok |
| 19:25.10 | DragonDav | thanks |
| 19:25.29 | lunitik | actually... I guess I should say wherever the client is... but you probably think of the client as the server |
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| 19:26.29 | Daveman | :) |
| 19:26.46 | madradrone | it turns out set bell-style none has no effect, but "visible" does |
| 19:26.50 | madradrone | go figure |
| 19:27.04 | Daveman | dwaas |
| 19:27.28 | Daveman | lollercss? |
| 19:27.42 | sdakota | dwaas? lol |
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| 19:28.14 | Daveman | ~.~ |
| 19:28.24 | DragonDav | what is a graphical bandwidth monitor? |
| 19:28.44 | Daveman | presumably a monitor which graphically represents bandwidth usage and throughput? |
| 19:29.17 | DragonDav | Daveman: yeah, what is an example of one, then name of which i can find with aptitude |
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| 19:29.28 | Daveman | I have no idea :) |
| 19:29.29 | DragonDav | s/then/the/ |
| 19:29.42 | Daveman | write one? :P |
| 19:29.47 | Daveman | lool |
| 19:30.04 | timmeh | can anyone explain to me if i want to add mroe ips to my server, how would i add them to the iptable? |
| 19:30.11 | Daveman | svgalib && ncurses ftw? :P |
| 19:30.11 | Daveman | hahah |
| 19:30.15 | abrotman | DragonDav: real time .. or graph generating ? |
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| 19:30.25 | Daveman | timmeh, huh? |
| 19:30.28 | abrotman | timmeh: you want IP aliases ? |
| 19:30.29 | bizkit | timmeh: specify, what do you mean? |
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| 19:30.34 | Daveman | abrotman, both? :) |
| 19:30.35 | HermanDE | DragonDav: apt-cache search bandwidth |
| 19:30.47 | timmeh | sorry my network has 3 servers with 20 ip's |
| 19:30.48 | abrotman | bandwidth monitor ? |
| 19:30.54 | timmeh | how can i attach a ip to my debian server? |
| 19:30.56 | sdakota | Daveman, lol! ~.~ that one looks ... never seen it before ! |
| 19:30.58 | Daveman | heh |
| 19:31.00 | timmeh | so it has more then just the main one |
| 19:31.03 | sdakota | hah |
| 19:31.08 | DragonDav | abrotman: realtime |
| 19:31.15 | ludovicus | halo again, i'd like to use wireless.. /etc/network/interfaces how do i config? |
| 19:31.17 | bizkit | timmeh: use ip aliases, e.g. iptables eth0:1 <ip> up |
| 19:31.20 | Daveman | sdakota bent stom ^^; |
| 19:31.24 | Daveman | :D |
| 19:31.43 | timmeh | eth0:1 is the connection? |
| 19:32.03 | sdakota | Daveman bent ook stom ^_^" |
| 19:32.04 | bizkit | the device, whatever you want |
| 19:32.07 | sdakota | ;) |
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| 19:32.16 | timmeh | ok kool |
| 19:32.27 | Daveman | dakota :P |
| 19:33.06 | Daveman | dank lol ~~; |
| 19:33.29 | ludovicus | it's i guess i don't know what the /dev is for wireless pcmcia |
| 19:33.46 | ViViD | peterS, i got it working wasnt that hard, and i even added a package that installs the gpg key for the user, all they have to do is add the repo, install the key package, and apt-get update |
| 19:34.01 | timmeh | how can i list the devices? |
| 19:34.04 | peterS | ViViD: w00t |
| 19:34.06 | bizkit | ludovicus: apt-get install wireless-tools; man iwconfig |
| 19:34.45 | bizkit | timmeh: do you know what your ethernet device is? eth0? |
| 19:34.52 | ludovicus | thankyou |
| 19:34.56 | timmeh | tahts what i figured |
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| 19:35.02 | bizkit | timmeh: the one connected to your lan |
| 19:35.04 | timmeh | http://lowrate.faithro.net/info/ |
| 19:35.11 | timmeh | says its eth0 |
| 19:35.34 | timmeh | but when i type the syntax like u said it says bad argument "eth0" |
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| 19:36.12 | ludovicus | what do i do about selecting the name of the network device(eth1?wlan0) in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:36.13 | bizkit | timmeh: so use ifconfig eth0:n <additional ip address> up, where n is >=1 and is the n'th alias |
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| 19:36.45 | sdakota | whoa, ftp.surfnet.nl is really fast |
| 19:36.55 | sdakota | hmm... are there any mirrors for security.debian.org? it's quite slow |
| 19:37.07 | peterS | sdakota: I think there are not |
| 19:37.31 | sdakota | peterS: Hmm, i thought there were but they were not recommended to be used ... |
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| 19:37.42 | timmeh | awsome worked ^^ |
| 19:37.44 | timmeh | thankyou |
| 19:37.45 | sdakota | peterS: Hmm |
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| 19:39.12 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:39.13 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:39.24 | sdakota | ^^ |
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| 19:40.28 | sdakota | !touch abrotman |
| 19:40.29 | dpkg | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
| 19:40.32 | sdakota | ok lol |
| 19:41.07 | cat | !lart sdakota |
| 19:41.18 | dvs | doh |
| 19:41.31 | cheal | !abrotmoo |
| 19:41.31 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 19:42.18 | peterS | that's retarded |
| 19:42.20 | kspath | I can not remember any apps/tools that debian repos does not contain |
| 19:42.46 | peterS | kspath: the usual example is mplayer |
| 19:43.54 | DragonDav | peterS: wow it hangs a little on starting a program but after that it is actually all right. |
| 19:44.02 | kspath | why would I want to play music on my machine when |
| 19:44.09 | kspath | I have a CD player already |
| 19:44.10 | peterS | DragonDav: good, good. is that with xdm or with ssh? |
| 19:44.16 | DragonDav | ssh |
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| 19:44.24 | DragonDav | couldn't get xdm working |
| 19:44.51 | DragonDav | i couldn't get a login from xdm. |
| 19:44.58 | scotti | does anyone else's Xine crash when you try to play a file from within the Xine file manager/selector? I'm running Sid. |
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| 19:46.01 | kspath | does anyone actually code in pike for anything? |
| 19:46.20 | peterS | kspath: other than that one web server? not that I've heard of |
| 19:46.39 | dvs | !anyone |
| 19:46.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 19:47.09 | abrotman | does anyone know anyone named anyone ? |
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| 19:47.24 | sportman | hey can i get help setting up ndis wrapper |
| 19:47.25 | dvs | anyone? |
| 19:47.30 | sportman | i loaded my driver |
| 19:47.38 | sportman | and now im running the wlcardconfig |
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| 19:48.12 | peterS | DragonDav: *nod*. I gave you bad advice with ssh, btw, you might want 'ssh -YC' instead of 'ssh -XC'. it'll possibly work a bit better |
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| 19:48.50 | peterS | DragonDav: you can also experiment with turning -C on and off. in my experience it's much faster on than off, but the manpage says this is not always the case |
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| 19:49.58 | DragonDav | peterS: yeah i got the -Y from the man page... |
| 19:50.06 | kspath | you! yeah you! do you use pike? |
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| 19:53.38 | SerajewelKS | has the debian-user list been having some trouble? today i only got about half the messages in the archives. |
| 19:54.04 | dvs | SerajewelKS: It's called "New Year's" |
| 19:54.30 | peterS | dvs: eh but he said the other messages are in the archive |
| 19:54.42 | SerajewelKS | dvs: so? is y2.005k a problem for the software? |
| 19:54.43 | anapivirtua_ | bon reveillon a tous, bonne annee / happy new year :) |
| 19:54.50 | ludovicus | dude my computer is beeping? |
| 19:54.58 | SerajewelKS | ludovicus: beep back! =) |
| 19:55.07 | peterS | bonne année, anapivirtua_ |
| 19:55.08 | ludovicus | im serious, whoo |
| 19:55.12 | drivamgr2006 | when, now, when you boot, and what you doing to it ludovicus ? |
| 19:55.14 | dvs | peterS: oh. my mistake. |
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| 19:55.25 | HermanDE | ludovicus: It's about the heat... The heat is on you.... |
| 19:55.27 | ludovicus | it's been running fine for ~ 23 hours |
| 19:55.32 | ludovicus | and now it's beeping |
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| 19:55.33 | ludovicus | aah |
| 19:55.40 | ludovicus | the popo |
| 19:55.41 | HermanDE | ludovicus: I'll see ya after the reboot.... |
| 19:55.44 | drivamgr2006 | constantly???? |
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| 19:56.25 | HermanDE | I love overclockers... :P |
| 19:56.35 | kspath | lol |
| 19:56.36 | drivamgr2006 | great. come in, ask for help, then piss off... good way of doing things... NOT! |
| 19:56.40 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 19:56.54 | SerajewelKS | peterS: if, say, my MX server was having a bit of trouble during the last few hours, and a bunch of the *newer* messages made it through, will the list eventually try to send the old ones again? just thinking out loud, i don't know if the MX server was down. |
| 19:57.16 | kspath | my CPU is on fire I only had it running 78 degrees hotter with passive coolers |
| 19:57.24 | DragonDav | peterS: noticably slower without -C |
| 19:57.28 | peterS | SerajewelKS: email delivery is reliable if and only if everyone plays by the rules w/r/t retries |
| 19:57.36 | peterS | DragonDav: *nod*, that has been my experience too |
| 19:58.09 | SerajewelKS | peterS: well yeah, i'm just saying is it feasible that the older ones will be stuffed in a retry-in-a-few-hours queue while the new ones just zip through after the server comes back up? |
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| 19:58.21 | bunghole | 192.168.1.2:/home/bunghole on /home/bunghole/desktop_home type nfs (rw,addr=192.168.1.2) (mount -l output). I am unablel to write to the nfs mounted share. i can't figure this out. I can read the files, but i can't modify them, though its loaded as read/write |
| 19:58.35 | DragonDav | peterS: in my local .xinitrc can i put ssh blah to connect to my server and start the remote window manager? |
| 19:58.46 | SerajewelKS | bunghole: perhaps on the server end it's readonly, or you don't have permissions |
| 19:58.47 | peterS | SerajewelKS: hmmm, that's server-dependent too. when a message does go through, the sending server ideally *ought* to see if old stuff in the queue can be sent at the same time |
| 19:58.51 | dvs | bunghole: As what user? |
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| 19:59.04 | kingsley | peterS: Thank you for helping so many people on #debian with such civility. |
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| 19:59.08 | peterS | DragonDav: possibly, I'm not sure how that stuff works. I haven't used Cygwin/X for a very very long time |
| 19:59.20 | SerajewelKS | peterS: alright, thanks |
| 19:59.23 | peterS | DragonDav: meaning, I don't know if it uses xinit to start the local session, etc. |
| 19:59.31 | DragonDav | peterS: well the xinitrc looks like my server's |
| 19:59.56 | bunghole | on the nfs server(desktop pc) I have username bunghole, who's desktop:/home/bunghole I am trying to mound read/write on laptop pc(also a user called bunghole on laptop) I mount the share on laptop, so i can access desktop pc |
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| 20:00.16 | SerajewelKS | is there some pgp/gpg keyserver that a lot of debian people (users, not developers)? there are a few signed messages on the list and i can't find their keys anywhere. |
| 20:00.22 | peterS | DragonDav: yeah, you can try putting 'ssh -YCf foo gnome-session' or something in your cygwin .xinitrc. don't know if that'll work. |
| 20:00.36 | peterS | DragonDav: the -f mentioned in the ssh manpage looks useful though not required |
| 20:00.39 | typewriter | is it possible to have both ssh/sftp working, but then make certain user accounts sftp only? |
| 20:00.53 | SerajewelKS | typewriter: set their shell to /bin/false or /bin/nologin |
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| 20:01.01 | SerajewelKS | typewriter: i think anyway... |
| 20:01.01 | typewriter | ok |
| 20:01.05 | bbrazil | w |
| 20:01.07 | typewriter | i dont think that will work |
| 20:01.24 | bunghole | dvs, SerajewelKS, on the nfs server(desktop pc) I have username bunghole, who's desktop:/home/bunghole I am trying to mound read/write on laptop pc(also a user called bunghole on laptop) I mount the share on laptop, so i can access desktop pc |
| 20:01.27 | peterS | typewriter: it should work, not that I've tried it. sftp doesn't require a shell. |
| 20:01.30 | SerajewelKS | typewriter: err, /bin/nologin doesn't exist. try /bin/false and if you can't sftp then whatever. |
| 20:01.32 | bunghole | i was trying to put the nickname before |
| 20:01.33 | bunghole | doh |
| 20:01.33 | peterS | typewriter: scp requires one, but sftp does not |
| 20:01.38 | typewriter | ok |
| 20:01.41 | typewriter | ill try it out |
| 20:02.01 | SerajewelKS | peterS: hrm, why is that? |
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| 20:02.11 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i thought sftp was glorified scp |
| 20:02.30 | peterS | SerajewelKS: because scp was modeled after traditional unix tools like rcp, whereas sftp came in with this new concept of a "subsystem" which doesn't run from the shell |
| 20:02.38 | bunghole | anyone? |
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| 20:02.57 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah but i thought newer versions of scp did use a subsystem |
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| 20:02.59 | peterS | SerajewelKS: AFAIK, the only 'subsystem' anyone has ever written for use with openssh is, in fact, sftp. so there's some question of whether the mechanism was worth it |
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| 20:03.15 | SerajewelKS | peterS: aren't tunnels a subsystem too? |
| 20:03.49 | peterS | SerajewelKS: not configured as such. I'm talking about the thing you have to configure with the 'Subsystem' line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 20:04.20 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah, okay. btw a few old messages just came through, so my service's MX probably was having some trouble. |
| 20:04.23 | schrankwand | hi, can i power off my screen anyhow? Maybe with acpi? |
| 20:04.30 | peterS | SerajewelKS: it may be that newer versions of scp are capable of talking to the sftp subsystem at the other end. I haven't heard one way or the other |
| 20:05.27 | DragonDav | peterS: it askes me for my password in the console while x is starting but i can type to it... |
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| 20:05.44 | peterS | DragonDav: good, good |
| 20:06.00 | bunghole | alright i found out that not every file/dir on the nfs server is fucked. there are about half the files in the server that are 'locked' how can i unlock those? |
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| 20:06.13 | bunghole | nfs docs are horrible at coherent explanations |
| 20:06.15 | rom3 | wow |
| 20:06.17 | bunghole | this is pissing meoff |
| 20:06.20 | rom3 | go to cal 9 1752 |
| 20:06.22 | rom3 | haha |
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| 20:07.25 | kspath | does anyone say anything about anyone to abrotman anytime? |
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| 20:08.15 | peterS | rom3: indeed. Pynchon wrote some funny stuff about that in 'Mason & Dixon' |
| 20:08.39 | abrotman | kspath: ? |
| 20:08.51 | DragonDav | how do i "echo" a return/newline? |
| 20:08.52 | kspath | just teasing you |
| 20:08.57 | abrotman | kspath: about what ? |
| 20:08.59 | bbrazil | DragonDav: echo |
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| 20:09.18 | bbrazil | DragonDav: possibly you're looking for echo -e '\n' |
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| 20:09.59 | sdakota | My server is somewhere else in my house, and i'm controlling it using ssh |
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| 20:10.12 | sdakota | but when the server reboots, i can't see anything that appeared in boot process |
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| 20:10.41 | DragonDav | hmmm. is there a was i can run ssh to connect to a server read a password from a file and run a command? |
| 20:11.02 | sdakota | is there some file that i can see the boot process though? |
| 20:11.15 | sdakota | there was some bootlogd right? |
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| 20:12.11 | peterS | DragonDav: sounds like what you want to do is set up a private key to use instead of a password |
| 20:12.17 | madradrone | 100 dpi is larger than 75 dpi right? |
| 20:12.19 | peterS | DragonDav: that's a matter for 'ssh-keygen' and copying stuff around |
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| 20:12.26 | peterS | madradrone: dpi stands for dots per inch |
| 20:12.42 | peterS | madradrone: 100 dpi means you have one hundred pixels on your monitor for every inch of space |
| 20:12.44 | plb | anyone using xorg 6.9 in unstable have issues with their mouse wheel? |
| 20:12.48 | madradrone | peterS: i mean, X running at 100 dpi everything will be larger? |
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| 20:13.17 | peterS | madradrone: are you asking about forcing X to believe your monitor uses a different resolution than it actually does? |
| 20:14.03 | phyberoptix | if i reboot in recovery mode and chroot / and type passwd |
| 20:14.05 | DragonDav | peterS: uggh, i'll just stick to the way i have it. |
| 20:14.06 | peterS | madradrone: generally what you want to do is let X autodetect your monitor size, which it can do with modern monitors, and then you don't have to worry about what dpi it is |
| 20:14.08 | phyberoptix | will that change my root pass? |
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| 20:14.39 | abrotman | !ifrp |
| 20:14.39 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 20:14.53 | Shamanboy | alguem brasileiro |
| 20:14.56 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:14.57 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:15.07 | sdakota | what's that ifrp, abrotman? |
| 20:15.15 | abrotman | i forgot root's password |
| 20:15.23 | Shamanboy | valew |
| 20:15.30 | sdakota | ah |
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| 20:15.36 | phyberoptix | so start at step 3? |
| 20:15.42 | phyberoptix | for remote boxes? |
| 20:15.45 | abrotman | i don't know what step you're on now |
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| 20:15.51 | Shamanboy | alguem ja viu esse erro Shamanboy |
| 20:16.01 | phyberoptix | i rebooted the box into the recovery mode |
| 20:16.06 | Shamanboy | alguem ja viu esse erro Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 20:16.13 | abrotman | Shamanboy: /j #debian-br |
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| 20:16.35 | Shamanboy | tem q falar ingles aki |
| 20:16.37 | Shamanboy | esqueci |
| 20:16.41 | nkuttler | Shamanboy: if you understand english /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
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| 20:16.51 | sdakota | !tell Shamanboy about br |
| 20:16.58 | Shamanboy | ok |
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| 20:17.08 | programm | hihi |
| 20:17.12 | programm | Hi every body |
| 20:17.13 | davor | hehe |
| 20:17.15 | sdakota | ^^ |
| 20:17.20 | davor | happy new years, everybody |
| 20:17.21 | sdakota | Hi, programm |
| 20:17.27 | sdakota | You too, davor |
| 20:17.33 | programm | Happy New Years :D |
| 20:17.44 | sdakota | in the Netherlands it's just 2 hours and 43 minutes to go |
| 20:18.00 | programm | I'm living in Switzerland |
| 20:18.03 | davor | if anyone wants to send a happy-newyears-greeting feel free to drop me a line at davorb AT gmail.com :-) |
| 20:18.10 | davor | i'm in sweden |
| 20:18.29 | sdakota | cool |
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| 20:18.30 | sdakota | ^_^ |
| 20:18.31 | programm | ho, nice, have you go snow?! |
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| 20:18.41 | sdakota | I had snow yesterday night |
| 20:18.45 | sdakota | about a few centimeters of height |
| 20:18.46 | programm | ^^ |
| 20:18.47 | davor | yeah, loads of snow. about 20cm this year. |
| 20:18.50 | sdakota | had a good snow fight back then ^^ |
| 20:19.03 | sdakota | but it kinda all melted this morning |
| 20:19.08 | davor | :-( |
| 20:19.16 | sdakota | but that's not much of a problem |
| 20:19.18 | davor | over here it snowed a few centimeters today |
| 20:19.23 | sdakota | all fireworks would fall in the snow.. |
| 20:19.46 | sdakota | no rain and no snow at 31 december night is best for everyone |
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| 20:20.55 | davor | anyone want to join me in NanyMUD? |
| 20:21.02 | sdakota | NanyMUD? |
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| 20:21.09 | sdakota | what's that? |
| 20:21.35 | elle | hi, can anyone help me fix the fonts in Opera? |
| 20:21.48 | davor | it's a free multi-user-dungeon hosted over att linköping university. try telneting to mud.lysator.liu.se port 2000 |
| 20:21.53 | nkuttler | elle: opera.com maybe? |
| 20:21.55 | sdakota | lol |
| 20:21.57 | sdakota | davor: trying... |
| 20:21.58 | cheal | elle: this is a Debian support channel. try asking #opera |
| 20:22.06 | programm | hehe |
| 20:22.40 | elle | at some pages i don't like the font it uses i can shage them but when i click a link it goes back other pages are fine |
| 20:22.44 | sdakota | davor: starting takes quite a long while |
| 20:23.02 | davor | sdakota: hmm, wierd |
| 20:23.07 | davor | let me have another look at that adress |
| 20:23.20 | sdakota | davor: nah, already done |
| 20:23.21 | elle | the font is really bad at vBulletin boards for example |
| 20:23.23 | davor | sdakota: mud.lysator.liu.se port 2000 |
| 20:23.31 | sdakota | davor: lol, "are you male, female or other" lol |
| 20:23.35 | davor | lol |
| 20:23.48 | elle | i want to over ride the font at some sites where it's bad |
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| 20:25.11 | elle | i tried opera, vBulletin, ubuntu forums irc, web forums linux chatrooms, web irc and afew other places i forget atm |
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| 20:26.33 | SerajewelKS | !they don't know |
| 20:26.34 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 20:26.40 | ofer0 | I want that "command1" will be a symlink to "command2 -param" |
| 20:26.42 | ofer0 | How to do it? |
| 20:26.53 | SerajewelKS | ofer0: use aliases, or make a shell script |
| 20:27.05 | ofer0 | SerajewelKS, Okay thank you |
| 20:27.19 | SerajewelKS | ofer0: e.g.: alias command1='command2 -param' |
| 20:27.30 | SerajewelKS | ofer0: or: echo 'command2 -param $@' > command1 |
| 20:27.44 | SerajewelKS | ofer0: in the latter case, don't forget to 'chmod +x command1' |
| 20:27.50 | elle | ok i just thought someone might help someone else who uses debian, sorry for getting in your way |
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| 20:28.03 | SerajewelKS | elle: don't you use ubuntu? |
| 20:28.08 | ofer0 | SerajewelKS, Yeah I know thank you very much.. I was looking for a way to do it using a symlink and I will do it using a shell script |
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| 20:28.29 | sdakota | davor: i've joined.. trying to say stuff |
| 20:28.34 | sdakota | davor: at the church now |
| 20:28.40 | bunghole | necrophagia |
| 20:28.43 | bunghole | :/ |
| 20:28.44 | SerajewelKS | ofer0: yeah, you can't do it with symlinks. they operate on the filesystem level, and the fs doesn't care about arguments. |
| 20:28.57 | SerajewelKS | gah |
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| 20:29.18 | bunghole | i'd be a lot more productive if i wasn't always trying to get things to work in linux. shit should work right out the box and you shouldonly have to configure it |
| 20:29.19 | bunghole | :( |
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| 20:29.43 | bunghole | then again i never dealth with nix desktop market, mostly server shit on bsd |
| 20:29.44 | blondie | bunghole: that's what magic is for |
| 20:29.48 | nautiazn85 | bunghole: then go back to windows. and you'll get shit that works out of a box and then breaks |
| 20:29.57 | blondie | nautiazn85: pebkac |
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| 20:30.11 | bunghole | nautiazn85, no thanks, anything but that abomination of a software |
| 20:30.12 | sdakota | davor: I left |
| 20:30.24 | blondie | Windows it not "a software" |
| 20:30.26 | blondie | *is |
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| 20:30.44 | Kwitschibo | Windows is a part of a house... like a door :) |
| 20:30.45 | bunghole | i'd be like Kaizer_Sozay from usual suspects, my will is strong, i'd rather see my family dead than use windows |
| 20:30.46 | bunghole | :( |
| 20:30.55 | nautiazn85 | lol |
| 20:30.57 | nautiazn85 | hahahaha |
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| 20:31.10 | bunghole | in fact |
| 20:31.16 | Kaizer_Sozay | ahahaha |
| 20:31.20 | SerajewelKS | bunghole: i'd rather do a lot of things than use windows, but no... that's way over the line ;) |
| 20:31.25 | Kaizer_Sozay | ph34r m3 |
| 20:31.27 | peterS | Kaizer_Sozay: you misspelled 'soze' |
| 20:31.34 | Kaizer_Sozay | oh |
| 20:31.37 | peterS | Kaizer_Sozay: and for that matter 'kaiser' |
| 20:31.42 | Kaizer_Sozay | i didn't have subtitles on , dunnno how he spelled it |
| 20:31.43 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: you don't know his family, heh |
| 20:31.54 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: okay i'll give you that one |
| 20:31.55 | abrotman | Kaizer_Sozay: use IMDB then .. don't be lazy |
| 20:31.57 | Kwitschibo | In a world without Walls and Borders, who needs Windows and Gates? |
| 20:32.09 | sportman | hmm whats a good package manager? |
| 20:32.10 | blondie | Kwitschibo: what world is that? |
| 20:32.10 | sdakota | lol |
| 20:32.11 | peterS | Kaizer_Sozay: maybe you should just '/nick VerbalKint' |
| 20:32.14 | Kaizer_Sozay | peters, speak persian, kaiser is actu7ally caser, or caiser, used for like royalty, like caliphs or khalifa |
| 20:32.17 | drivamgr2006 | That is a good quote. Mind if I use it? |
| 20:32.20 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 20:32.24 | beardy | sportman: Is that a real question? |
| 20:32.25 | Kaizer_Sozay | peterS, he WAS soze |
| 20:32.26 | Kaizer_Sozay | dammit |
| 20:32.38 | cheal | sportman: an APT frontend? |
| 20:32.42 | Kwitschibo | blondie: My own world... build with cognac and pkg_add |
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| 20:32.51 | blondie | erm ok |
| 20:32.52 | peterS | Kaizer_Sozay: dude, persian is spelled with the arabic alphabet, so it's pretty arbitrary. also, the guy wasn't persian, he was hungarian |
| 20:33.05 | Kaizer_Sozay | no, he was turkish, wath the movie again |
| 20:33.17 | phyberoptix | abrotman |
| 20:33.22 | abrotman | i am |
| 20:33.27 | blondie | no! |
| 20:33.30 | nkuttler | actually, we don't know what he was... it's only a story where he is a turk |
| 20:33.31 | phyberoptix | i get / is busy |
| 20:33.32 | Kaizer_Sozay | persian has the arabic alphabet, as well as urdu, and punjabi, which I also happen to speak/read/write |
| 20:33.32 | sdakota | yes! |
| 20:33.38 | phyberoptix | when i do mount -o remount,ro / |
| 20:33.47 | sdakota | lol |
| 20:33.50 | abrotman | phyberoptix: then it's busy |
| 20:33.53 | peterS | Kaizer_Sozay: oh I didn't know about punjabi, just farsi and urdu |
| 20:33.55 | abrotman | phyberoptix: make it unbusy |
| 20:33.56 | phyberoptix | lol |
| 20:34.11 | blondie | you're trying to umount / ? |
| 20:34.13 | nkuttler | phyberoptix: why would you want / to be ro? |
| 20:34.15 | beardy | sportman: Well? |
| 20:34.24 | sdakota | blondie: look at the line below |
| 20:34.34 | blondie | sdakota: my status line? |
| 20:34.45 | peterS | anyway, he was perhaps turkish. the term 'kaiser' is actually from the Latin word 'caesar', so I suppose spelling peculiarities are not uncommon |
| 20:35.05 | sdakota | blondie: no, you asked the guy 'are you trying to umount /', look at the line below the only line you read |
| 20:35.06 | sportman | yes its a real question |
| 20:35.07 | sportman | :-p[ |
| 20:35.08 | blondie | EleckttrusS: use bash |
| 20:35.11 | SerajewelKS | oh nice, the mondorescue.org page linked in the mondo package description has been parked |
| 20:35.17 | beardy | EleckttrusS: mc |
| 20:35.19 | afabian | EleckttrusS: Emacs' dired is the answer. |
| 20:35.19 | Kaizer_Sozay | petemc, urdu is a language born in subcontinential india, lakhnow/utterperdesh (north india, sound india speak naro, tamil etc.) urdu is a collection of languages, using the arabic scripture, it adds certain sounds farsi and arabic dont' have, like ch, or g, etc. it is the national language of pakistan, where I was for 3 years |
| 20:35.27 | Kaizer_Sozay | doh, peterS |
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| 20:35.41 | beardy | If one ever need a filemanager though, but since they exist, people must be using them.. |
| 20:35.43 | abrotman | yeah ... i doubt petemc cares about urdu :) |
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| 20:35.58 | peterS | Kaizer_Sozay: oh I thought urdu was just hindi spelled with the arabic alphabet (: well, at least it's related |
| 20:35.58 | sdakota | peterS: loads of words come from caesar |
| 20:36.03 | Kaizer_Sozay | its a mix of persian, arabic, hindi, sanskria, punjabi, |
| 20:36.05 | sdakota | PeterS: actually, it's a name, not a word |
| 20:36.05 | blondie | winfile.exe |
| 20:36.08 | phyberoptix | abrotman i dont see where them instructions work |
| 20:36.20 | abrotman | phyberoptix: didn't you start at like step4? |
| 20:36.21 | sdakota | PeterS: Kaisar, and uhh, the ehh |
| 20:36.26 | Hobart | zdump -v right/US/Mountain | grep 2005 doesn't show leap second fix ... any news on who @ Debian dropped the ball? |
| 20:36.29 | sdakota | PeterS: the russian leader guy |
| 20:36.29 | SerajewelKS | does mondo do incremental backups, and can you give it a list of things to not back up? |
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| 20:36.31 | phyberoptix | no |
| 20:36.38 | peterS | sdakota: czar? tsar? |
| 20:36.39 | Kaizer_Sozay | peterS, somewhat, hindi and urdu are very close, but that only works with dialect. the grammar and well thge entire language is different |
| 20:36.40 | EleckttrusS | beardy: afabian blondie bash is the beast because the file manager is for my monther she use enlitg... |
| 20:36.42 | phyberoptix | i started step #2 |
| 20:36.44 | sdakota | PeterS: Tsaar. |
| 20:36.48 | sdakota | PeterS: ^_^ |
| 20:36.57 | blondie | EleckttrusS: "bash is the beast" -- what does that mean? |
| 20:37.03 | blondie | 20:36:54 * EleckttrusS because envidence no rulez! |
| 20:37.05 | phyberoptix | and i got to step #5 |
| 20:37.06 | blondie | are you a BOT? |
| 20:37.15 | blondie | jeeze I'm feeling bitchy :| |
| 20:37.18 | Kaizer_Sozay | if you were to speak pure hindi, a only urdu speak,ing person would undrestand nothing but shit like the, of, a, etc. |
| 20:37.26 | beardy | !bitch blondie |
| 20:37.43 | sdakota | blondie: don't think he's a bot |
| 20:37.48 | sdakota | EleckttrusS: you're a bot? |
| 20:37.53 | sdakota | ;..; |
| 20:38.02 | peterS | it's too bad I don't speak pure hindi. or for that matter urdu, or farsi, or punjabi |
| 20:38.03 | blondie | well he shouldn't pretend random words are sentences then :\ |
| 20:38.07 | beardy | EleckttrusS: And nautilus is not good? |
| 20:38.40 | EleckttrusS | blondie: i need file manager grafic is no for my is for myn mother ! |
| 20:38.40 | abrotman | EleckttrusS: what is your primary language? |
| 20:38.41 | blondie | Gibberish |
| 20:38.41 | blondie | :| |
| 20:38.41 | Kaiser_Soze | I speak them all, including english, some swedish |
| 20:38.41 | blondie | all languages? |
| 20:38.41 | beardy | I doubt that. |
| 20:38.41 | sdakota | blondie: he's trying to say that he needs a graphical file manager, and he needs it for his mother |
| 20:38.48 | Kaiser_Soze | and i speak pashtu, sindhi, and balochi (regional pakistani languages) |
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| 20:38.57 | Kaiser_Soze | blondie, hehe, not all, just the ones we talked about |
| 20:39.03 | EleckttrusS | beardy: yeah nautilus is very good! but the pc is very heavy 386 32RM |
| 20:39.04 | blondie | awww |
| 20:39.05 | beardy | EleckttrusS: What about gentoo? |
| 20:39.11 | abrotman | EleckttrusS: what is your primary language? |
| 20:39.12 | Kaiser_Soze | blondie, yeh i know :( |
| 20:39.14 | nkuttler | EleckttrusS: rox-filer |
| 20:39.15 | afabian | Graphical file manager? huh. |
| 20:39.16 | blondie | sorry, it's a 386? |
| 20:39.21 | Kaiser_Soze | i want the babblefish inside my ear :_ |
| 20:39.25 | abrotman | nkuttler: wait .. he says he's running E |
| 20:39.32 | blondie | universal translator please |
| 20:39.33 | peterS | Kaiser_Soze: I don't think those are commercially available yet :/ |
| 20:39.34 | nkuttler | abrotman: hm |
| 20:39.42 | abrotman | nkuttler: so either he's trolling . or he's stupid |
| 20:39.43 | Ryushin | Is there a way to specify which scsi device gets probed first, when both are compiled into the kernel? I.e. adding a parameter to the lilo append statement. |
| 20:40.07 | blondie | EleckttrusS: the PC is a 386? |
| 20:40.07 | abrotman | E hasn't run on 32MB since like .. E14 :) |
| 20:40.07 | EleckttrusS | abrotman: ok man english is no my language but i live en USA i need practice in debian |
| 20:40.08 | abrotman | EleckttrusS: what is your primary language? |
| 20:40.14 | beardy | EleckttrusS: Just answer please. |
| 20:40.28 | sdakota | abrotman, lol, i guess he has no primary language lol |
| 20:40.29 | afabian | sdakota: That depends on what your objective is. You might need a large vocabulary to be fluent in a language. But if you're interested in language for its own sake, you might just be picking up grammars, looking at irregular verbs, so on and so forth. |
| 20:40.35 | abrotman | sdakota: or it's AOL |
| 20:40.42 | streuner | peterS: how did you learn those? |
| 20:41.04 | peterS | streuner: eh, I said I do *not* know those languages |
| 20:41.13 | streuner | oh |
| 20:41.16 | blondie | hmm I read that the US DoD were developing a "universal translator" type thing |
| 20:41.18 | beardy | EleckttrusS: 'apt-cache search filemanager' should give you some to choose from |
| 20:41.21 | peterS | streuner: I speak small amounts of fr, de, it, ln |
| 20:41.26 | EleckttrusS | blondie: yeah man is the 386 lol! but debian is the salvation i install enligthmente and thc pc now is one monster! |
| 20:41.31 | Kaiser_Soze | sdakota, my family is very educated, full of physicians lawyers judges etc. my father got us tutors for all different pakistani/india/arabic languages and dialects. i know urdu/hindi/punjabi just from living there, i was taught arabic (for islamic purposes), and local pakistani languages to communicate with the average joe from a frontrier village or something who can't speak urdu or punjabi, like the pathans, or the mongols or the |
| 20:41.32 | Kaiser_Soze | afghanis |
| 20:41.41 | EleckttrusS | beardy: is good! |
| 20:41.48 | sdakota | abrotman: when you ask his primary language he either lists all languages he knows or says that english isn't his primary but he lives in usa and needs practice in debian ^_^ |
| 20:41.56 | abrotman | Kaiser_Soze: but you can't spell ? |
| 20:42.21 | sdakota | Kaiser_Soze, whoa, that's an enormous list |
| 20:42.27 | Kaiser_Soze | abrotman, this keyboard has keys that stick and don't come back up, and i type fast, so someimes it skips lettlers |
| 20:42.28 | Kaiser_Soze | :( |
| 20:42.29 | sdakota | Kaiser_Soze, you also know Dutch? ;) |
| 20:42.35 | Kaiser_Soze | sdakota, nope |
| 20:42.40 | abrotman | Kaiser_Soze: i meant you couldn't spell kaiser soze |
| 20:42.42 | sdakota | Kaiser_Soze, Shame on you. ;) |
| 20:42.51 | beardy | EleckttrusS: What is your primary language? |
| 20:42.57 | abrotman | AOL! |
| 20:43.07 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.08 | Kaiser_Soze | abrotman, I didn't have subtitles on, and I didni't know how it was spelled in english |
| 20:43.10 | sdakota | EleckttrusS, what is the language you learned from your mom and dad? In the country you live? |
| 20:43.10 | Kaiser_Soze | i guessed |
| 20:43.21 | peterS | abrotman: spelling kaiser soze really requires reading the back cover material from the movie that invented the name |
| 20:43.31 | peterS | ...or its incarnation on imdb of course |
| 20:43.40 | abrotman | i'm not sure i've seen the movie |
| 20:43.46 | Kaiser_Soze | dude |
| 20:43.48 | EleckttrusS | sdakota: i live in ocala florida 34474 |
| 20:43.48 | peterS | "The Usual Suspects" - very good |
| 20:43.54 | abrotman | i know .. i'm a bad man |
| 20:43.57 | Kaiser_Soze | if ytou should prioritize anything |
| 20:43.58 | blondie | EleckttrusS: then why don't you speak English? |
| 20:44.02 | Kaiser_Soze | it should be watching that fucking movie |
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| 20:44.06 | Kaiser_Soze | its mind blowingly good |
| 20:44.14 | Kaiser_Soze | im making up words now, deal with it |
| 20:44.15 | sdakota | EleckttrusS, I did not ask you where you live, i asked you what your language is... you know the word language? |
| 20:44.22 | EleckttrusS | blondie: i am new in the contry |
| 20:44.28 | blondie | EleckttrusS: where did you come from? |
| 20:44.41 | abrotman | your english sucks .. worse than peterS in a dress |
| 20:44.47 | beardy | That is irrelevant too |
| 20:44.48 | sdakota | LOL |
| 20:44.50 | Kaiser_Soze | hah, that rhymed |
| 20:44.51 | benjamindees | obviously he wants to speak english... |
| 20:44.58 | abrotman | but he can't |
| 20:45.01 | sdakota | he's trying |
| 20:45.08 | nkuttler | EleckttrusS: on a 386... install rox-filer, dillo and ratpoison |
| 20:45.09 | peterS | abrotman: hey, leave me and my dress out of this |
| 20:45.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:45.16 | Kaiser_Soze | we should ascend to a type I civilization in the next 2500-3000 years |
| 20:45.18 | drivamgr2006 | EleckttrusS: Which language is your primary? / Was ist dein muttersprache? / Questo lingua parla tu? |
| 20:45.19 | blondie | well, his English is better than anything I could try and speak :) |
| 20:45.24 | beardy | EleckttrusS: What lagnuage did your parents teach you when you were a child, in which language do you speak with your parents? |
| 20:45.25 | sdakota | lol |
| 20:45.25 | abrotman | peterS: i'll trade you for an umbrella hat :) |
| 20:45.38 | EleckttrusS | drivamgr2006: io no parlo italiano! |
| 20:45.49 | peterS | abrotman: that hat rules. not very practical for bike riding but it's the thought that counts |
| 20:45.53 | sdakota | ..ehh |
| 20:45.59 | drivamgr2006 | Well thats a start. We know he dont speak italian |
| 20:46.08 | Kaiser_Soze | global energy consumption will be higher, there will be an officially global language (we have english right now), information will be exchanged instantaneously |
| 20:46.09 | sdakota | lol |
| 20:46.22 | sdakota | EleckttrusS, spreek je nederlands? (do you speak dutch?) |
| 20:46.23 | abrotman | peterS: maybe i really should send it to debconf6 :) |
| 20:46.24 | Kaiser_Soze | in 3000 years we should colonize another planet |
| 20:46.36 | blondie | better be less than 3000 years |
| 20:46.39 | sdakota | Kaiser_Soze, i almost know for sure that we will |
| 20:46.54 | sdakota | how to install Python2.4.2 ? |
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| 20:46.59 | drivamgr2006 | I speak a few, just running through what I know. |
| 20:47.05 | peterS | we should invade the planets of alpha centauri and see if they have any weapons of mass destruction |
| 20:47.08 | Kaiser_Soze | well if you read technology mags they are working on crazy shit |
| 20:47.12 | beardy | Just imagine, the kind of aliens that will join here.. |
| 20:47.12 | abrotman | EleckttrusS: which country are you from ? |
| 20:47.25 | EleckttrusS | sdakota: no no only spanich i am in the debian-es debian-venezuela velug-bolivar velug etc but i need am in #debian-es |
| 20:47.35 | blondie | you're from Mexico? |
| 20:47.40 | Kaiser_Soze | even right now, experimental, but people which a very very severe epilepsy disorder are able to use pointing devices on machine with thier minds, with a chip in thier head |
| 20:47.41 | beardy | Or well, they may not be called aliens then, but people/beings from other solar systems.. |
| 20:47.43 | blondie | or Spain |
| 20:47.49 | Kaiser_Soze | they are able to play simple pong right now |
| 20:47.50 | sdakota | EleckttrusS, you speak spanish? |
| 20:47.56 | sdakota | EleckttrusS, tu parle le franįais? |
| 20:48.03 | sdakota | lol |
| 20:48.04 | peterS | sdakota: dude he just said |
| 20:48.18 | abrotman | sdakota: he speaks spanish |
| 20:48.25 | Kaiser_Soze | me es fumar mucho MUCHO motta |
| 20:48.26 | Kaiser_Soze | :/ |
| 20:48.27 | peterS | and if I may say so your french is as bad as his english |
| 20:48.28 | sdakota | peterS, abrotman, yea, it was a question for confirmation |
| 20:48.30 | sportman | tu hablas espanol? |
| 20:48.41 | sdakota | peterS, abrotman, i can't speak any spanish, so trying to speak some french |
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| 20:48.45 | beardy | Was the final answer spanish? |
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| 20:48.48 | sdakota | EleckttrusS, tu parle le franįais? |
| 20:48.49 | abrotman | yeah |
| 20:48.54 | Kaiser_Soze | me vatto donde mexico |
| 20:48.55 | abrotman | sdakota: FUCKING SPANISH |
| 20:48.59 | EleckttrusS | sdakota: only speak spanish and little english and italy |
| 20:49.09 | sdakota | EleckttrusS, ok |
| 20:49.12 | abrotman | gah .... |
| 20:49.17 | sdakota | anyone here who can speak spanish? :P |
| 20:49.18 | beardy | Well, did it have to be so hard to say that.. |
| 20:49.19 | Kaiser_Soze | me vatto es fumar motta too |
| 20:49.22 | dondelelcaro | if you need to speak something that is not english, please use the channel appropriate for that language. |
| 20:49.32 | dondelelcaro | Kaiser_Soze: #debian-es please. |
| 20:49.34 | sportman | my peno es muy grande? |
| 20:49.35 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, he is |
| 20:49.38 | Kaiser_Soze | nah man im good |
| 20:49.39 | sportman | or pene |
| 20:49.40 | sportman | ? |
| 20:49.41 | Kaiser_Soze | i was just playing around |
| 20:49.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.thepainttube.biz/language_little_spanish_large.jpg |
| 20:49.42 | sportman | i dont remember |
| 20:49.54 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, Kaiser_Soze is talking to someone else in spanish, and this guy is in #debian-es already |
| 20:50.05 | peterS | abrotman: if you need my 'a dress' the whois command will tell you |
| 20:50.09 | drivamgr2006 | That shoots me in the foot. I only speak English, and a few others to being polite. Spanish is not one of them |
| 20:50.11 | Duelist | who really cares how big your #$%&# is |
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| 20:50.16 | Kaiser_Soze | sdakota, i was merely spouting off whatever spanish I DO know, not takling to anyone really |
| 20:50.25 | nkuttler | tarzeau: awwww |
| 20:50.27 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
| 20:50.28 | sdakota | Kaiser_Soze, lol |
| 20:50.36 | blondie | Duelist: people who might want to sleep with him :\ |
| 20:50.42 | beardy | Duelist: How big your comments are? Few I'd say. |
| 20:50.52 | peterS | it's called "showing off", people, and it really only works if (a) you use proper grammar in the language you are showing off, and (b) anyone cares |
| 20:51.04 | EleckttrusS | tarzeau: i and MAN |
| 20:51.06 | Hobart | ŋYo quisiera ajustar el intervalo del quántum en las rutinas del planificador del núcleo, puede cualquier persona asistir con este cambio? |
| 20:51.19 | blondie | spam |
| 20:51.32 | Kaiser_Soze | i like spanish people, they make good food |
| 20:51.34 | blondie | all foreign languages are spam! |
| 20:51.45 | Kaiser_Soze | blondie, you're spam |
| 20:51.46 | Kaiser_Soze | :/ |
| 20:51.46 | Hobart | blondie -> No, all Hawaiian dishes are spam. |
| 20:51.53 | nkuttler | blondie: yeah, i hate that english mail |
| 20:51.54 | blondie | oh nice |
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| 20:51.58 | EleckttrusS | dondelelcaro: No man thack i am in de #debian-es and #debian |
| 20:51.59 | Kaiser_Soze | i tried |
| 20:52.01 | Kaiser_Soze | ehe |
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| 20:52.14 | drivamgr2006 | wie gehts blondie??? ich bin ein berliner!!! |
| 20:52.17 | beardy | Spam is not the nicest dish of ham.' |
| 20:52.24 | beardy | -' |
| 20:52.31 | blondie | I'm not german |
| 20:52.32 | Kaiser_Soze | when did hell become merry? |
| 20:52.34 | dondelelcaro | folks, please take the language stuff elsewhere... |
| 20:52.49 | EleckttrusS | _kaiser_: www.bolivar.velug.org.ve |
| 20:52.53 | drivamgr2006 | ok... just trying to annoy blondie. I will stick to english |
| 20:52.56 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 20:53.00 | blondie | drivamgr2006: you failed :P |
| 20:53.00 | peterS | too bad '#iknowmorelanguagesthanyoudo' is longer than the freenode 16-char limit |
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| 20:53.06 | peterS | or that would be the right place |
| 20:53.19 | EleckttrusS | #iknowmorelanguagesthanyoudo ? |
| 20:53.28 | beardy | #wecare |
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| 20:54.04 | tarzeau | #goat.se |
| 20:54.39 | beardy | tarzeau: Don't bring swedish goats into this. |
| 20:55.01 | blondie | er |
| 20:55.03 | blondie | yes |
| 20:55.04 | beardy | tarzeau: Weren't you going out? |
| 20:55.10 | tarzeau | beardy: it's raining! |
| 20:55.14 | peterS | does he have a ::666 IPv6 address or something? |
| 20:55.18 | Kaiser_Soze | yuo konw taht if yuo put the frsit adn the lsat lteter of a wrod in odrer, yuo can sitll raed it eevn if it is mippessled |
| 20:55.19 | Hobart | anyone else here able to run zdump -v right/US/Mountain | grep 2005 and see if there's a leap second accounted for? |
| 20:55.23 | Hobart | sarge doesn't have it. |
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| 20:55.45 | Kaiser_Soze | its pretty cool |
| 20:56.00 | EleckttrusS | peterS: yeah man! |
| 20:56.03 | orchid | if I upgrade to xorg 6.9.0, what is the correct way to redo the nvidia drivers with Debian? I had originally installed them with m-a auto-install nvidia, but running that now after the upgrade I get Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) despite the driver being loaded |
| 20:56.31 | beardy | tarzeau: Oh.. |
| 20:56.36 | dondelelcaro | orchid: just run the same command ma command again. |
| 20:56.37 | drivamgr2006 | hobart - how would you tell? |
| 20:56.37 | kspath | human parsing software is the shiznit |
| 20:56.44 | peterS | orchid: the latest xorg upload conflicts with nvidia-glx because the latter needs a quick fix to the packaging |
| 20:57.21 | drivamgr2006 | hobart: this is what it tells me using zdump -v /right/US/Mountain |
| 20:57.22 | orchid | hm dondelelcaro I did rerun the m-a command |
| 20:57.25 | drivamgr2006 | right/US/Mountain Sat Dec 14 20:45:52 1901 UTC = Sat Dec 14 20:45:52 1901 right/US/Mountain isdst=0 gmtoff=0 |
| 20:57.50 | Hobart | drivamgr2006 -> specifically there should be a line for today's leap second |
| 20:57.51 | orchid | peterS: ok so I will wait it out and use nv for now I guess |
| 20:58.01 | drivamgr2006 | there isnt |
| 20:58.11 | peterS | orchid: you can fix the packaging manually and kind of force it through, but yeah, waiting it out is probably simpler |
| 20:58.27 | drivamgr2006 | next entry in zdump is january 18th |
| 20:58.32 | SimonRaven | oh yeh, that leap second. there was this whole thread on the time ML on it |
| 20:58.44 | drivamgr2006 | right/US/Mountain Mon Jan 18 03:14:07 2038 UTC = Mon Jan 18 03:14:07 2038 right/US/Mountain isdst=0 gmtoff=0 |
| 20:59.03 | SimonRaven | 2038 ... |
| 20:59.11 | drivamgr2006 | yup |
| 20:59.21 | drivamgr2006 | thats all i get from zdump - 4 entries |
| 20:59.25 | peterS | drivamgr2006: that's when the world comes to an end because the 31-bit number of seconds since 1970 fills up |
| 20:59.35 | kspath | the whole time/timezone thing is silly who cares if it is 2200 and bright daylight |
| 20:59.47 | tarzeau | has someone still got a mirror of http://www.dolphinsex.org/ ? |
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| 20:59.57 | kspath | everyone everything should be on UTC |
| 21:00.02 | SimonRaven | was set up for train schedules IIRC |
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| 21:00.29 | SimonRaven | at least in part |
| 21:00.42 | xeon_ | how can i mount something to allow all users to be able to read it? |
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| 21:00.56 | blondie | xeon_: mount what? |
| 21:01.01 | SimonRaven | man mount, 'user' |
| 21:01.05 | xeon_ | ntfs partition |
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| 21:01.24 | tarzeau | xeon_: www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ |
| 21:02.16 | whatever | gosh, I hate not being able to find documentation. >_< I'm really worried about trying this. Does anyone know if SATA with an onboard Sil3114 chipset, 2.6.13 kernel is hot swappable? I just think of what plugging/unplugging ide drives does.... |
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| 21:02.50 | benjamindees | ide drives can be hot swapped :p |
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| 21:03.32 | whatever | benjamindees: ...'can' ....not wise, I had a guy fry a 40 gig right infront of me, he's lucky it didn't burn out the board and the other drives on the channel |
| 21:03.33 | tarzeau | benjamindees: haha |
| 21:03.48 | benjamindees | or they *could* be, until Alan Cox went on vacation and somebody borked his code :( |
| 21:04.34 | whatever | either way, I can't find anything that sayes "sata is hot swappable!" |
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| 21:04.50 | whatever | and I don't feel like frying equipment |
| 21:04.58 | whatever | even in chance |
| 21:05.05 | Duelist | whatever: SATA is designed to be hot swappable |
| 21:05.14 | Duelist | IDE (PATA) isn't |
| 21:05.24 | kspath | without gnome crap installed I have an additional 200MB RAM free consistently |
| 21:05.30 | whatever | duelist: true, but at what level? hardware? OS? |
| 21:05.45 | whatever | kspath: thats what a gui 'll do to ya |
| 21:05.47 | Duelist | whatever: at the hardware level, at least |
| 21:06.02 | blondie | apparently some SATA controllers don't support it |
| 21:06.15 | Duelist | unfortunately I'm not surprised. |
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| 21:06.35 | whatever | duelist: I'm still worried. :P I assume it'd be mobo->drive, then power->drive in a hookup sequence. |
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| 21:06.46 | kspath | whatever: I have a 3 head system so I can have 3 172x72 terms open no problem |
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| 21:07.05 | whatever | blondie: yeah, I was reading that some guy was working on a driver that would allow most generic sata controllers to be hot-swappable....but that sounds like its OS level, and not hardware level |
| 21:07.16 | Duelist | I haven't actually seen much SATA gear. this is what I have heard |
| 21:07.39 | kspath | I would worry about electrical more than os/fs integrity |
| 21:08.01 | whatever | kspath: ......its not os integrity that I'm worried about. |
| 21:08.42 | kspath | whatever: I am just making a general statement |
| 21:08.49 | Duelist | kspath: a key part of hot swap capability is electrical |
| 21:08.58 | Duelist | USB of course is designed to be hot swappable from the top |
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| 21:09.04 | whatever | you'd think this stuff would be better documented, since the sil3114 chip is being put into a lot of mobo's |
| 21:09.19 | kspath | Duelist: exactly what I was trying to reinforce |
| 21:09.33 | Duelist | whatever: it probably is well documented, we just don't have the documentation |
| 21:09.37 | whatever | kspath: hence the reason why I'm worried about it in the first place. ...don't worry, I already knew. |
| 21:09.43 | whatever | duelist: lol |
| 21:09.47 | Duelist | and most of the "documentation" is probably source code written for Windows |
| 21:10.26 | kspath | better than zero info |
| 21:10.27 | Duelist | now... my question is if you take a PATA(old IDE) drive and hook it to a PATA-SATA adapter... could you then hot-swap that drive using it as an SATA drive? |
| 21:10.54 | Duelist | I wouldn't be that eager to try it myself |
| 21:10.55 | whatever | duelist: I'd assume so since early sata drives were nothing but IDE and SCSI drives with sata interfaces slapped on the end |
| 21:11.00 | kspath | depends on engineers design |
| 21:11.01 | Duelist | ah |
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| 21:11.17 | DragonDav | i'm looking for a small and good c++ IDE... any suggestions? |
| 21:11.19 | whatever | duelist: I guess maybe it comes down to the chipset again of the sata controller? |
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| 21:11.36 | sdakota | back |
| 21:11.43 | whatever | CarlCox: I love your music. XD |
| 21:11.45 | sdakota | is it safe to symlink python2.4 to python? |
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| 21:12.24 | tarzeau | sdakota: yes |
| 21:12.25 | whatever | sdakota: dosen't it do that on install? |
| 21:12.30 | sdakota | whatever: No |
| 21:12.35 | sdakota | tarzeau: Ok :) Thanks |
| 21:12.37 | whatever | weird, 2.3 did for me |
| 21:12.43 | CarlCox | whatever: yeah |
| 21:12.44 | CarlCox | this is my 3rd nuck, btw |
| 21:12.46 | CarlCox | whatever: Rush is way better ;) |
| 21:12.50 | Duelist | whatever: probably does |
| 21:12.52 | whatever | lol |
| 21:12.52 | kspath | whatever: normally hotswap have special bays to work with electrical issues |
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| 21:13.05 | whatever | kspath: I'm fully aware of this |
| 21:13.07 | Duelist | and it's stupid that SATA chipsets don't support what I thought would be a hugely useful feature of SATA |
| 21:13.08 | blondie | kspath: IDE ones do |
| 21:13.18 | whatever | duelist: I know! |
| 21:13.23 | Duelist | I guess they assume Average Joe will never want to hot swap his SATA drives |
| 21:13.24 | whatever | duelist: isn't it stupid |
| 21:13.24 | kspath | whatever: sorry did not know what your tech level was |
| 21:13.30 | matteo | oops it was a clone |
| 21:13.31 | blondie | the SATA connectors are deliberely easy to connect/remove for purposes of hot swapping |
| 21:13.35 | whatever | kspath: no worries |
| 21:13.45 | blondie | +t |
| 21:13.57 | blondie | like USB :0 |
| 21:14.10 | whatever | USB is the devil |
| 21:14.19 | kspath | most disc power and some data connections when you "unlock" the drive for removal |
| 21:14.44 | Duelist | whatever: USB is nice |
| 21:14.53 | whatever | duelist: the other issue I was wondering was how the kernel would react to a device suddenly dissapearing. |
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| 21:15.13 | blondie | USB is indeed nice |
| 21:15.15 | Duelist | having to wait until 2001 for decent USB support across the board when Windows had it in 1998 was the devil |
| 21:15.18 | whatever | duelist: yeah, but when it comes to data throughput, its so unstable, firewire is much better |
| 21:15.22 | kspath | sata is sometimes too easy to remove is why I have not gone totally SATA plus booting/installing issues .... |
| 21:15.23 | Duelist | that's just plain wrong, I'm sorry |
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| 21:15.38 | whatever | hm? |
| 21:15.39 | Duelist | I like Firewire for video |
| 21:15.56 | blondie | nice quit message there |
| 21:16.00 | Duelist | but I have never had Firewire disks |
| 21:16.09 | whatever | see, I never toyed much with usb since its evil days, and 'boasted' 2.0 version |
| 21:16.14 | blondie | that's because there's no such thing ;) |
| 21:16.27 | blondie | Firewire is not a disk interface |
| 21:16.28 | kspath | I have all ext enclosures as usb2.0 and firewire |
| 21:16.30 | whatever | firewire interface for external disks? yes there is |
| 21:16.39 | blondie | whatever: not directly |
| 21:16.42 | whatever | IDE>firewire |
| 21:16.46 | whatever | I know. :P |
| 21:16.47 | kspath | using firewire on my Plextor DVD burner to my Debian iBook |
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| 21:16.57 | matadon | blondie: I think you mean that FW is not *directly* a disk interface, like SCSI or FC |
| 21:17.04 | blondie | yes I do |
| 21:17.04 | adrakoa | happy new year |
| 21:17.14 | whatever | adrakoa: thanks, you too ^_^ |
| 21:17.16 | tarzeau | HAPPY NEW YEAR |
| 21:17.20 | blondie | premature |
| 21:17.25 | Duelist | indeed, Firewire and USB are more general purpose interfaces than SATA or IDE |
| 21:17.28 | Duelist | what's an FC? |
| 21:17.29 | peterS | blondie: right, well, there's a standard firewire disk interface just as there's a standard USB disk interface |
| 21:17.30 | matadon | kspath: Why not run OS X on the iBook, just out of curiosity? |
| 21:17.35 | whatever | fibre channel |
| 21:17.38 | Gnea | ~beer tarzeau |
| 21:17.39 | apt | ACTION pours a pint of Jever for tarzeau |
| 21:17.47 | _rene_ | m because OS X sucks |
| 21:17.53 | _rene_ | err |
| 21:17.55 | _rene_ | matadon: because OS X sucks |
| 21:17.56 | kspath | matadon: MacOSX would not support my Plextor DVD burner on usb or firewire |
| 21:17.57 | blondie | Firewire and USB are completely different |
| 21:18.09 | blondie | firewire is host-host, while usb is host-device |
| 21:18.14 | Gnea | _rene_: it does? |
| 21:18.15 | kspath | matadon: I have no software to lock me ino |
| 21:18.21 | peterS | quite so, but that doesn't change the point |
| 21:18.33 | afabian | Hmm. I'm using xemacs, and I'd like to use my right alt key as a meta key, like the left alt key. Should I do this through X or xemacs? |
| 21:18.36 | whatever | duelist: want to put some bets down on the chances of me frying something with an attempt to hook up this SATA stuff? |
| 21:18.37 | matadon | _rene_: Having used Linux for about six years as a desktop, and having recently started using Tiger, I rather beg to differ. *grin* |
| 21:18.39 | tarzeau | matadon: g3? |
| 21:18.50 | matadon | tabris|away: Ah, yeah, Debian for that. |
| 21:18.56 | matadon | Er, tarzeau, I mean. |
| 21:18.58 | tarzeau | matadon: having used OPENSTEP and then OS X, os x sucks |
| 21:19.01 | blondie | OS X is rather... erm parenting |
| 21:19.08 | tarzeau | matadon: i've got debian on my g3 |
| 21:19.11 | matadon | tarzeau: I honestly didn't care much for OpenStep. |
| 21:19.12 | afabian | OS X is non-free. |
| 21:19.15 | tarzeau | blondie: and it's a raped OPENSTEP |
| 21:19.18 | tarzeau | afabian: so what? |
| 21:19.23 | tarzeau | afabian: non-free stuff can be good too |
| 21:19.31 | matadon | tarzeau: For hardware that old, you're better off with Debian; after all, it was designed with OS 9 in mind, not OS X. |
| 21:19.33 | tarzeau | matadon: i do |
| 21:19.36 | Kaiser_Soze | i got sarge on a powerbook |
| 21:19.40 | Gnea | i've used OSX before, I found the interface to be quite intuitive and challenging... not so microsofty |
| 21:19.41 | tarzeau | matadon: huh? |
| 21:19.45 | afabian | Freedom is more important than things like.. usability and features! |
| 21:19.46 | matadon | afabian: So is Photoshop, and yet there are no alternatives. |
| 21:19.57 | blondie | tarzeau: I don't see the connection |
| 21:20.05 | tarzeau | blondie: what are you refering to? |
| 21:20.18 | whatever | peterS: have any wisdom on the hot-swapability of the SATA Sil3114 chipset using a 2.6.13 kernel? |
| 21:20.19 | blondie | blondie: and it's a raped OPENSTEP |
| 21:20.31 | kspath | I do not hate MacOSX it is just that I get more out of my iBook using Debian than MacOSX |
| 21:20.32 | tarzeau | blondie: os x is a raped openstep |
| 21:20.36 | blondie | how? |
| 21:20.42 | matadon | tarzeau: Older hardware and anything server-tasked is nominally where I use either Debian or FreeBSD; desktops go to a mix of OS X and *shudder* Windows (not my choice, mind you). |
| 21:20.45 | peterS | whatever: no wisdom at all. I used to follow sata driver development a little, but I don't much now because I have no sata hardware and don't plan to buy any for awhile |
| 21:20.46 | tarzeau | blondie: main menu stuck/fixated to the top |
| 21:20.54 | tarzeau | blondie: is horrible on large resolutions |
| 21:21.06 | whatever | peterS: gah...what I'd give for some documentation. a'it, thanks |
| 21:21.07 | blondie | that menu thing has always been that way with MacOS |
| 21:21.15 | tarzeau | blondie: i don't give shit about mac os |
| 21:21.19 | Gnea | tarzeau: oh please, macos has had the sticky menu at the top for over a decade |
| 21:21.21 | tarzeau | blondie: i'm talking openstep/os x here |
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| 21:21.27 | peterS | whatever: have you seen http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ ? |
| 21:21.29 | tarzeau | Gnea: do i care shit about mac os? |
| 21:21.33 | peterS | whatever: that's basically all I know on the subject |
| 21:21.39 | tarzeau | i'm FUCKING TALKING ABOUT OPENSTEP |
| 21:21.43 | blondie | eh |
| 21:21.44 | matadon | tarzeau: I find the opposite to be the case; and I prefer the top menu for a number of reasons. *shrug* To each their own; at least Apple chose an OS that plays well with other Unices. |
| 21:21.47 | tarzeau | where the menu was not fucking fixated anywhere |
| 21:21.48 | Gnea | tarzeau: but OSX != OPENSTEP |
| 21:21.53 | tarzeau | Gnea: YES IT IS |
| 21:21.54 | SimonRaven | FUCKING OPENSTEP |
| 21:22.00 | whatever | peterS: nope, but I'll check it out... google was no help at all. Best lead yet. |
| 21:22.01 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 21:22.02 | blondie | NO IT'S NOT |
| 21:22.03 | kspath | LOL |
| 21:22.03 | tarzeau | FUCK FUCK FUCK! |
| 21:22.05 | Gnea | whatever |
| 21:22.07 | Gnea | :) |
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| 21:22.15 | blondie | how the hell is OS X Openstep? |
| 21:22.18 | SimonRaven | </troll> |
| 21:22.24 | tarzeau | Gnea: cocoa is exactly openstep |
| 21:22.27 | benjamindees | !start an os war |
| 21:22.28 | dpkg | MVS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 21:22.28 | Gnea | blondie: tarzeau has been smoking teh crack again |
| 21:22.32 | blondie | opk |
| 21:22.33 | blondie | -p |
| 21:22.34 | tarzeau | Gnea: cocoa.h is foundation.h and appkit.h |
| 21:22.41 | whatever | amiga forever! |
| 21:22.50 | Gnea | oh sorry, sniff |
| 21:22.53 | SimonRaven | much |
| 21:22.54 | kspath | VMS/CMS uber alles |
| 21:23.01 | Gnea | haha |
| 21:23.05 | peterS | kspath: do you mean VM/CMS or VMS? |
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| 21:23.26 | archpollux | hi all |
| 21:23.31 | SimonRaven | umlauts |
| 21:23.32 | archpollux | is it possible to use POSIX ACLs on a filesystem that was formatted when ACL support was not in the kernel? |
| 21:23.36 | matadon | Screw you guys, it's all about panels and punchcards! |
| 21:23.47 | drivamgr2006 | and the same to you SimonRaven ! Umlauts to all |
| 21:23.47 | SimonRaven | w00t punch cards |
| 21:23.58 | Gnea | E17 owns you all!! |
| 21:24.14 | SimonRaven | no, i own me ;) |
| 21:24.15 | whatever | ....why the hell would someone want to hot-plug the controller card over hot-plugging the SATA drives..... |
| 21:24.30 | blondie | PCI hotswap? |
| 21:24.33 | kspath | it is about eight toggles one for each bit and load and run and inc ... |
| 21:24.36 | matadon | whatever: They like buying new backplanes? |
| 21:24.41 | peterS | archpollux: I guess it'd depend on what filesystem. for ext2 or ext3, you can probably enable it using tune2fs |
| 21:24.42 | whatever | lol |
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| 21:25.07 | whatever | blondie: yeah.... for libata |
| 21:25.08 | archpollux | petemc: reiserfs, xfs and jfs :) |
| 21:25.14 | matadon | archpollux: Yes, I believe. |
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| 21:25.19 | peterS | whatever: well for example if you have a laptop docking station that includes a PCI card bay, or a CD-ROM drive, or something |
| 21:25.26 | archpollux | setfacl says Operation not permitted |
| 21:25.33 | archpollux | on reiserfs |
| 21:25.33 | benjamindees | whatever, if the controller fails of course |
| 21:25.39 | whatever | peterS: ooo, I forgot that ran off PCI. |
| 21:25.41 | peterS | whatever: then you want to be able to hot-unplug everything on the docking station, so you can disconnect the laptop from it |
| 21:25.47 | SimonRaven | reiser is crap anyway |
| 21:26.11 | matadon | peterS: Point; it's too bad more laptop vendors don't support free software so that most of those docks actually work properly. |
| 21:26.24 | benjamindees | !start a fs war |
| 21:26.25 | dpkg | ffs uses too much overhead! |
| 21:26.25 | peterS | whatever: that's why most kernel PCI drivers seem to support hotplug these days, I imagine. the other reason to do so is those fancy server-class hotplug-pci busses you find in big server cases |
| 21:26.39 | archpollux | ok, it works with jfs |
| 21:26.46 | archpollux | not with reiserfs |
| 21:26.48 | peterS | matadon: yeah I have no idea what is involved in hotplug + docking-station, whether that business works or not |
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| 21:26.59 | kspath | vfs ufs |
| 21:27.18 | whatever | peterS: still, I mean, unplugging any backplane stuff, thats taking your life into your own hands imho. |
| 21:27.18 | matadon | peterS: I've never had a Linux laptop that was happy with that; massive problems with monitor switching as well (X likes to die). |
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| 21:28.31 | sdakota | from within a perl script, how to check if a package is already installed? |
| 21:28.39 | kspath | I do not trust this new fs ext2 or its funky cousin ext3 they will not last |
| 21:28.41 | cindy | how do i use my new memory stick that i got for xmas - i see it in lsusb |
| 21:28.50 | peterS | sdakota: you can use 'dpkg -l' or you can just look for a file /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.list |
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| 21:29.14 | h3xis | cindy, flash drive? |
| 21:29.17 | whatever | ok, quesiton, is SATA covered under the ATA/ATAPI generalization when it comes to documentation? |
| 21:29.27 | sdakota | peterS: the dpkg -l gives a few lines that I can't use in the script, and it gives a table though I just want to see if it's installed and if so what version |
| 21:29.34 | sdakota | peterS: is that possible? |
| 21:29.37 | peterS | cindy: yeah so load the modules 'sd_mod' and 'usb-storage' then it'll be available as a regular drive like /dev/sda |
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| 21:30.34 | h3xis | peterS, why would she have to load those modules? i've never had to do that |
| 21:30.59 | peterS | h3xis: it all depends on your setup, whether you use things like 'hotplug' or 'udev' which try to detect that crap and load it for you |
| 21:31.06 | h3xis | oh i see |
| 21:31.40 | [Cadet] | sdakota: You could use dpkg -s packagename this produces results that show if it is instlaled, what version, and other stuff |
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| 21:32.09 | sdakota | [Cadet]: Yea, maybe that helps. |
| 21:32.19 | whatever | peterS: well, I could be wrong, but it dosen't look like hot-swap is supported in libata....assuming sata is covered under that, and the kernels sil3114 driver dosen't cover this issue |
| 21:32.23 | sdakota | [Cadet]: It's much easier to parse. |
| 21:32.28 | [Cadet] | sdakota: very easy to parse the results with perl ;) |
| 21:32.34 | sdakota | yeah |
| 21:32.57 | cindy | ok peterS i need a little more help |
| 21:33.40 | cindy | usbmodules --device /proc/bus/usb/001/009 |
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| 21:34.45 | blondie | :o |
| 21:34.49 | blondie | !root |
| 21:34.49 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 21:34.49 | blondie | :P |
| 21:35.05 | whatever | yay for root |
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| 21:37.12 | ragnarok | is there a channel you can ask advice in? |
| 21:37.22 | streuner | heh |
| 21:37.23 | blondie | plenty |
| 21:37.30 | blondie | advice about what? |
| 21:37.39 | whatever | girls? |
| 21:37.41 | peterS | ragnarok: leave her, she's not worth it |
| 21:37.45 | whatever | lol |
| 21:37.46 | ragnarok | lol im good with girls |
| 21:37.50 | streuner | if you using debian just ask |
| 21:38.00 | ragnarok | yah im using debian |
| 21:38.03 | blondie | boys? :P |
| 21:38.20 | peterS | leave him, he's not worth it |
| 21:38.32 | linuxfreck | so if you're a debian user you can get help with girls here? :) |
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| 21:38.43 | whatever | ragnarok: amd's are better than women because you can overclock them and they won't complain (they just burn up if you do it too high) |
| 21:38.47 | peterS | yes, linuxfreck, that's what we're here for |
| 21:38.49 | ragnarok | i was using ubuntu and X windows had good resolution and i installed debian and for some reason now it thinks my monitor cant go higher then 800x600 |
| 21:39.00 | ragnarok | whatever: thats hilarious |
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| 21:39.24 | loradeusa | oi |
| 21:39.33 | blondie | how rude |
| 21:39.35 | whatever | I try...I try... |
| 21:39.42 | loradeusa | hi |
| 21:39.47 | blondie | that's better :P |
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| 21:39.49 | benjamindees | !tell ragnarok about backports |
| 21:39.52 | whatever | blondie: don't complain, you just re-inforce my comment |
| 21:39.57 | lekvar | Anyone in here fiddling with kernel 2.6.14? |
| 21:40.00 | benjamindees | ragnarok, upgrade to xorg |
| 21:40.01 | blondie | whatever? |
| 21:40.09 | whatever | lekvar: yep |
| 21:40.10 | blondie | I was complaining about loradeusa's "greeting" :P |
| 21:40.15 | ragnarok | alright so i should go with x.org? |
| 21:40.17 | whatever | blondie: oh. XD |
| 21:40.26 | peterS | blondie: I think he thinks you're an overclocked amd |
| 21:40.27 | loradeusa | i intaled the linux and i'm necessary of informacion |
| 21:40.33 | benjamindees | ragnarok, or, wait, what video card do you have? |
| 21:40.36 | blondie | no, but I'm better than a woman |
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| 21:40.54 | lekvar | whatever: Any idea why upgrading to it from 2.6.12 might start producing errors roughly of the form "eth0: Interrupt(s) dropped!" |
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| 21:41.03 | loradeusa | hi blond |
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| 21:41.32 | ragnarok | this is a really old computer it has a lame video card, i think its a riva or something, i know its like a legacy nvidia card though |
| 21:41.33 | whatever | lekvar: not a clue in the world, I'd check to see what changes were made between your older version and your current version |
| 21:41.53 | gravity | ragnarok: Check /var/log/XFree86.0.log to find out why your resolution is so low |
| 21:42.00 | gravity | ragnarok: If you have an old card xorg shouldn't help |
| 21:42.15 | benjamindees | ragnarok, ati ? |
| 21:42.21 | ragnarok | pico /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 21:42.23 | ragnarok | oops lol |
| 21:42.29 | ragnarok | im such a noob |
| 21:42.31 | whatever | vi is better! |
| 21:42.36 | benjamindees | no, it does, I went through this the other day with somebody... |
| 21:42.45 | ragnarok | im so new i havent had the chance to learn to use vi |
| 21:42.49 | gravity | less is better for looking at logs |
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| 21:42.56 | ragnarok | i use less sometimes |
| 21:43.00 | whatever | or tail |
| 21:43.07 | peterS | gravity: I used to know a bunch of grad students who always used 'nedit' as their pager. drove me nuts. |
| 21:43.09 | thetallcoolone | Hi guys! happy new year to all. Whenever that happens in your neck of the wood. |
| 21:43.10 | whatever | tail -f |
| 21:43.20 | peterS | (nedit is a Motif-based text editor) |
| 21:43.24 | gravity | peterS: ewwww |
| 21:43.31 | cheal | less is more! |
| 21:43.33 | Kaiser_Soze | its badass actually |
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| 21:43.52 | peterS | nedit ain't bad but give me less any day, for just looking at a file |
| 21:43.53 | ragnarok | benjamindees: did you say that x.org might have a chance of helping? |
| 21:43.53 | maxy | whatever, less and then press big F |
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| 21:44.01 | whatever | hm, I think I used nedit on cygwin |
| 21:44.11 | peterS | maxy: or to do it in one step, 'less +F' |
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| 21:44.18 | peterS | maxy: or as I generally prefer for log files, 'less -S +F' |
| 21:44.29 | |ryan| | is there a captive portal program available in debian? |
| 21:44.30 | cheal | !start a pager war |
| 21:44.36 | Supaplex | or vim -R or view or a whole gammot of others |
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| 21:44.40 | cheal | tsk tsk |
| 21:44.48 | afabian | less is a great pager. |
| 21:44.58 | afabian | export LESS="--no-init -j 5" |
| 21:45.00 | Supaplex | no syntax hilighting :p |
| 21:45.02 | ragnarok | im sorry to ask another dumb question but this is really annoying, is there an easy way to get xlogin or xdm (whatever its called) to stop loading on startup, i dont like having to go into X ifi dont need to |
| 21:45.14 | benjamindees | ragnarok, according to some reports I've seen |
| 21:45.15 | whatever | ack...my neighbor just came by and asked me to turn my bass down.....crap, it wasn't even up that high. |
| 21:45.16 | thetallcoolone | is ther ea way to view the a log of the booting up messages? |
| 21:45.17 | beardy | !nodm |
| 21:45.17 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 21:45.25 | cindy | when i lsmod i have sd_mod and usb_storage |
| 21:45.33 | beardy | ragnarok: Ctrl-Alt-F1 - 6 |
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| 21:45.55 | peterS | cindy: so if you do 'cat /proc/partitions' you will probably have 'sda' listed, as well as possibly sda1 |
| 21:46.06 | Supaplex | humm |
| 21:46.54 | cindy | yes i do |
| 21:47.30 | peterS | cindy: some of those types of drives have a partition table, some don't. most do, I think. so assuming you have a sda1 in there, add the following to /etc/fstab: "/dev/sda1 /u auto rw,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 21:47.41 | peterS | cindy: then 'mkdir /u' and then as a regular user you can type 'mount /u' and 'umount /u' to use it |
| 21:47.49 | gravity | ragnarok: Xorg is not panacea |
| 21:47.51 | whatever | lekvar: are you using 2.6.14.5 or 2.6.14 ? |
| 21:48.00 | peterS | cindy: I use "/u" for the usb drive, some people prefer more descriptive names like /mnt/usbdrive or whatnot |
| 21:48.09 | thetallcoolone | Trying again: is there a way to view the a log of the boot up messages? |
| 21:48.11 | [Cadet] | cindy: Are you a gnome user by any chance? |
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| 21:48.26 | gravity | ragnarok: I *highly* recommend figuring out what the problem is before upgrading to it |
| 21:48.31 | cindy | yes i use gnome |
| 21:48.32 | cheal | thetallcoolone: depends on which ones. try dmesg |
| 21:48.33 | peterS | thetallcoolone: not really, you can view kernel logs in /var/log/messages |
| 21:48.56 | peterS | thetallcoolone: but that doesn't cover userspace log messages, like most of what scrolls by after mounting the root filesystem |
| 21:49.02 | benjamindees | thetallcoolone, less /var/log/mesages |
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| 21:49.40 | [Cadet] | cindy: Well I'm not sure if all work, but my usb stick is automatically mounted. All I had to do was set it up to automount in the removeable deives and storage and then add myself to the plugdev group |
| 21:49.44 | kspath | when this ancient CentOS box finishes its folding@home work unix it will become a FBSD6.0 LOL take that RPM |
| 21:49.45 | thetallcoolone | I'm talking about the lines that appears on the screen when you turn the power on. I'll have a look at what you guys suggest. |
| 21:50.06 | [Cadet] | cindy: If you try that you will have to logout/login |
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| 21:50.53 | peterS | thetallcoolone: well there are four different things that print messages at boot time. (1) the BIOS itself - you can't log that. (2) the boot loader (grub) - you can't log that. (3) the kernel - that is /var/log/messages. (4) userspace - normally that's not logged at all, though I think there's a package out there that will do it |
| 21:51.22 | lekvar | whatever: I'm actualy using 2.6.8 at the moment but i was using um (checks)... 2.6.14-7 (i'm not booted into the system that was producing the errors currently) |
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| 21:52.15 | fooz | peterSSretep |
| 21:52.22 | peterS | fooz: you zoof |
| 21:52.24 | whatever | lekvar: ah man, yeah, 2.6.8 was a bitch to upgrade from. I had a lot of driver issues and stuff that needed to be changed. But then again, I was running x64, so I don't know if thats related or not. also, I reccomend downloading the latest version: 2.6.14.5 |
| 21:52.50 | lekvar | whatever: I've had plenty of issues so for now i'm staying at 2.6.8... |
| 21:53.15 | whatever | lekvar: its not something that gets fixed in a later version, I thought the same thing. |
| 21:53.18 | fooz | xfce is pretty nice, think maybe i'll keep it for awhile |
| 21:53.39 | Silent_al | XFCE owns!! |
| 21:53.46 | Silent_al | ^_^ |
| 21:53.47 | fooz | i wouldn't go that far |
| 21:53.55 | whatever | lekvar: I think you basically need to re-configure the kernel from scratch. I might have just gone through every configuration page. |
| 21:54.07 | lekvar | whatever: At this point I'm a little mixed up about the transition to udev, the transitions in pcmcia card services, the transitions in hotplug, and... they all seem to be interrelated |
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| 21:54.31 | peterS | lekvar: yeah dude, it's horribly confusing, it's not just you |
| 21:54.32 | blondie | if I'm logging in using xdm, how can I tell it I want to use xfce4 instead of gnome (both are installed)? |
| 21:54.56 | fooz | blondie, XDM is pretty simple and usually requires setting up special keypresses to boot into alternate sessions |
| 21:55.02 | lekvar | whatever: yea i've been doing that but... well there's a lot of interrlationship which isn't really clear from the info within the kernel configurator |
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| 21:55.05 | peterS | blondie: one way is just to create a ~/.xsession file in your own home directory that starts up a xfce session instead of running 'gnome-session' |
| 21:55.10 | fooz | blondie, like instead of hitting enter after your password, you hit alt-enter and it'll set a different variable |
| 21:55.17 | Silent_al | blondie use gdm .. |
| 21:55.22 | peterS | blondie: unfortunately since I don't have xfce installed I don't know the right command to run a session |
| 21:55.26 | whatever | lekvar: yeah, its a bit beyond me too, fortunately I don't have to use those services on my production servers. |
| 21:55.34 | fooz | blondie, or you can run 'update-alternatives --config x-session-manager' |
| 21:55.36 | deadcat | i am trying to run linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh and it gives me loads of error. anyone having this problem? the checksum is fine. it worked long ago. |
| 21:55.38 | fooz | blondie, to set the *default* one |
| 21:55.40 | blondie | Silent_al: I would use gdm if I could get it to work with xdmcp |
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| 21:55.43 | blondie | hmm k |
| 21:55.52 | thetallcoolone | peters: thanks for the info. I'm trying to figure out why alsa doesn't get configured at boot up. I see a msg saying "not loaded" and then I have to run alsaconf once booted, every time I boot my PC. |
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| 21:55.58 | peterS | last I used gdm it worked fine with xdmcp. but that was a long time ago |
| 21:56.00 | fooz | blondie, with XFCE4 installed, it should give 'xfce4-session' as an option |
| 21:56.09 | lekvar | peterS: Not to mention I'm doing all this on an out of date laptop so hardware's a little idiosyncratic and the pages people've put up on it aren't up to date with this (maybe i should if i ever figure this out) |
| 21:56.22 | lekvar | Oh yea and building kernels takes plenty of hours |
| 21:56.35 | peterS | thetallcoolone: odd. personally I don't mess with alsaconf, I just force sound drivers to load by putting them in /etc/modules |
| 21:56.36 | whatever | lekvar: have you tried compiling it on another system, and copying it over? |
| 21:56.44 | whatever | lekvar: works wonders for me |
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| 21:57.02 | fooz | firefox has replaced emacs as the app I spend days tweaking and installing addons for |
| 21:57.07 | fooz | heh. |
| 21:57.17 | lekvar | whatever: may be an option... not sure yet |
| 21:57.22 | peterS | fooz: M-x block-popups |
| 21:57.33 | thetallcoolone | peterS: care to explain how you do that? |
| 21:57.33 | SerajewelKS | yay for one-liners! =D for i in *.m4a; do faad -w "$i" | oggenc -o "`basename "$i" m4a`".ogg -q 4 -; done |
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| 21:57.41 | whatever | lekvar: assuming it takes 5 minutes to copy over, and takes 30 minutes to compile, you just saved yourself hours. seems like its worth the hastle |
| 21:57.56 | fooz | I've got over 50 extensions installed |
| 21:58.02 | peterS | thetallcoolone: well, just figure out what alsa modules you actually need, then add them, one on each line, to /etc/modules |
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| 21:58.21 | peterS | thetallcoolone: perhaps alsaconf can tell you what main driver you need, it'll be something like 'snd-intel8x0' |
| 21:58.54 | peterS | thetallcoolone: or you can tell me what your sound chip is by running the following: lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 21:58.59 | cwood | Question: Has anybody else noticed xdm not starting a session via $HOME/.xsession after the latest apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:59.01 | DimmuR | Hi I've strange problem - after reboot no keyboard shortcuts nor locale fonts (I'm using pl_PL set) are working. I can't even switch to consoles via ctrl+alt+f1. In /var/log Xorg.0.log i have " Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap". What can i do to make it working? |
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| 21:59.16 | SerajewelKS | er, s#.ogg#ogg# |
| 21:59.20 | whatever | o.O |
| 21:59.42 | fooz | cwood, shouldn't it be .Xsession anyhow? |
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| 21:59.53 | deadcat | no one here play quake3demo? |
| 22:00.01 | peterS | fooz: shouldn't be, .xsession is what debian has always used before |
| 22:00.08 | peterS | fooz: you're thinking of .Xresources |
| 22:00.09 | cwood | fooz: according to /etc/X11/Xsession and the associated files, .Xsession is the alternate, and .xsession is the primary. |
| 22:00.18 | blondie | yay |
| 22:00.19 | solomonn | off-debian-topic: i'm making a file server with a pcie mobo and 5 hard drives. i have a 350W power supply and a 450W; the 450W is quieter and I would rather put it in my workstation. Do that many hard drives demand much more power? |
| 22:00.27 | whatever | blondie: yay? |
| 22:00.28 | fooz | peterS, no I'm not.. I've used .Xsession for ages |
| 22:00.30 | fooz | oh well |
| 22:00.57 | cwood | In /etc/Xsession(etc), you can use either, essentially. |
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| 22:01.08 | whatever | solomonn: check the manufacturers sites for power consumption, but with the crazy ass drain of some pci-e cards, you probably want at least 500w power supply |
| 22:01.09 | blondie | xfce |
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| 22:01.18 | cwood | My odd thing is that suddenly xdm doesn't recognize either my .xsession or .Xsession -- which is new on me. |
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| 22:01.22 | solomonn | whatever: i won't have any pci-e cards in there :-) |
| 22:01.29 | SimonRaven | solomonn: yes, and higher |
| 22:01.53 | thetallcoolone | peterS: when I run the command you just gave me, all I get is the ">" prompt. I have to "ctrl-C" to go back to the normal prompt. |
| 22:02.03 | cindy | ok i did what peterS said and i have a /u |
| 22:02.04 | cwood | ... or, at least, for reasons I can't yet fathom, xdm simply starting a session. |
| 22:02.10 | solomonn | whatever, SimonRaven: well, at least then i will have a good reason to leave the quiet 450W in my workstation :) but until i have reason to use a pci-e card that won't be a problem, so long as the mobo itself doesn't draw more power being pci-e |
| 22:02.11 | whatever | solomonn: err...whats the point of having a pci-e board then |
| 22:02.15 | cindy | but it says its 6.7gigs |
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| 22:02.28 | peterS | solomonn: the thing about power supplies is not that your devices actually need that much power, but higher-rated PSes give steadier power rather than browning out when something like a hard drive spins up |
| 22:02.36 | whatever | solomonn: thats why I said to check the manufacturers website for the power drain of each drive |
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| 22:02.43 | peterS | cindy: that seems a bit unlikely.... |
| 22:02.49 | Xenguy | peterS: I tried that (I'm having trouble with sound) and the output is: 10de:026b |
| 22:02.51 | solomonn | whatever: it just happens to be pci-e and i thought it would be wise to point that out. i went looking for a socket-754 board with gigabit lan and 4 sata ports, and the cheapest i found was pci-e :) |
| 22:02.53 | cindy | its only a 1gig |
| 22:03.10 | whatever | solomonn: oh gosh....don't buy a 754. |
| 22:03.21 | peterS | Xenguy: errrr, that's not listed in the 2.6.12 module list. hmmm. |
| 22:03.22 | solomonn | whatever: too late, i did already, hehe |
| 22:03.29 | deadcat | anyone here running counter-strike and wine? |
| 22:03.41 | solomonn | whatever: needed it for a sempron 64 |
| 22:03.46 | whatever | solomonn: you're screwed. you need ECC memory to run |
| 22:03.59 | innodonni | deadcat: I was trying to get HL2 running just today |
| 22:04.02 | solomonn | whatever: no i don't, i currently have a 754 board and non-ecc mem |
| 22:04.07 | whatever | solomonn: there are 939 and 754 boards, 939's replace the 754's |
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| 22:04.13 | deadcat | innodonni: ah. any luck? |
| 22:04.19 | whatever | hm |
| 22:04.22 | maxy | Exactly 666 users here? hell! :) |
| 22:04.24 | solomonn | whatever: yeah, i would get 939 but the cheap sempron's don't work in them |
| 22:04.38 | whatever | solomonn: they're cheap cause they're discontinued. :P |
| 22:04.42 | Xenguy | peterS: hrm indeed -- I'm lost honestly (I'm pretty used to sound just working; I think this box/board I bought is a lemon :-( |
| 22:04.44 | solomonn | whatever: i do certainly regret the 754 board i got for my workstation though, i won't be able to upgrade to dual core till i get a 939 :) |
| 22:04.52 | lekvar | biab |
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| 22:05.09 | solomonn | whatever: semprons? nah, they will be eventually i suppose but right now they're just "economy" |
| 22:05.11 | innodonni | with wine 0.9.4 packages from winehq, and an old .wine install - no. I get a "registry already in use" error |
| 22:05.20 | whatever | solomonn: dude...the 754's haven't been in production for a long time |
| 22:05.26 | SimonRaven | maxy: the number has been revised. they did it wrong. it's 616 |
| 22:05.27 | solomonn | whatever: in fact i have read that when socket m2 comes out, semprons will switch to that |
| 22:05.28 | peterS | Xenguy: I don't have a newer kernel handy to check, but 2.6.12 apparently doesn't like your nforce-like-thing anyway |
| 22:05.30 | deadcat | innodonni: doh. |
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| 22:05.43 | solomonn | whatever: that's odd, if semprons are still in production and socket 939 semprons don't exist :P |
| 22:05.47 | falkon | Does anyone know if OSS/ALSA fully support the Audigy cards before I buy one? |
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| 22:06.03 | MastaP|AwaY | YoP all ! |
| 22:06.04 | falkon | I'm looking to mostly use the digital/optical outputs on the card |
| 22:06.08 | innodonni | deadcat: I tryed moving my blob file but it didn't help |
| 22:06.15 | Xenguy | peterS: does this mean I don't have any hope for running sound on this box then? |
| 22:06.24 | peterS | falkon: define 'fully support'. don't know if all features are supported. the cards basically work. |
| 22:06.25 | SimonRaven | i mention that because these fundie xians go on and on about 666 and shit, it's fun to point that out and direct them to google ;) |
| 22:06.35 | Xenguy | peterS: (bear with me, my hardware knowledge is very limited) |
| 22:06.38 | solomonn | peterS: if the ps does brown out, will that screw the ps, or the computer, or neither? |
| 22:06.39 | innodonni | deadcat: I will just try CS:S just in case |
| 22:06.46 | whatever | solomonn: the semprons only go up to +3400 |
| 22:06.47 | falkon | peterS: mostly the optical/digital coax outputs |
| 22:06.50 | peterS | Xenguy: it's probably just a matter of adding a line to an existing driver like snd-intel8x0. this may have been done already in kernels newer than 2.6.12 |
| 22:07.01 | deadcat | innodonni: nice. |
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| 22:07.12 | thetallcoolone | peterS: when I run the command you just gave me, all I get is the ">" prompt. I have to "ctrl-C" to go back to the normal prompt. |
| 22:07.17 | deadcat | innodonni: my comp is too slow. only cs1.2 |
| 22:07.32 | peterS | solomonn: possible momentary glitches in any cpu/motherboard activity. if you have a lot of those I suppose it could damage the electronics, but I don't know if that's actually likely |
| 22:07.44 | peterS | thetallcoolone: you left off the final ' character then |
| 22:07.45 | Xenguy | peterS: hrm, OK, well thanks for the feedback; I'll keep trying some more before I return the board for exchange |
| 22:08.07 | whatever | peterS: thats usually why new mobo's have VRM's built in, right? |
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| 22:08.30 | peterS | whatever: I honestly have no idea. I just know "if your power supply is iffy, you get weird errors that look like OS bugs but aren't" |
| 22:08.44 | thetallcoolone | peterS: nope. I copy and pasted your command: lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3} |
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| 22:08.57 | peterS | thetallcoolone: right, add a ' to the end of that |
| 22:09.08 | peterS | thetallcoolone: maybe I left it off, if so, sorry (: |
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| 22:09.24 | thetallcoolone | peterS: sorry I miss read you said. My bad. |
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| 22:11.12 | whatever | a'it, ladies, gents, and amd cpu's.... happy new year again! |
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| 22:11.28 | whatever | hopefully I'll be gone for good today |
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| 22:11.57 | Mardecopas | holas |
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| 22:12.14 | MastaP|AwaY | YoP all ! |
| 22:12.16 | ke6isf | !pe |
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| 22:12.20 | ke6isf | ~pe |
| 22:12.22 | apt | !!!!!!!!!!!lleH .... llA ..... sA ..... gnitatirrI .....s'tI !!!!!!!!!!!noitautcnuP !!!!!hcuM !!!!!oS !!!!gnisU !!!potS |
| 22:12.44 | ke6isf | =O.o= |
| 22:12.44 | peterS | ~lart ke6isf |
| 22:12.52 | ke6isf | Da hell! |
| 22:13.13 | peterS | Mardecopas: don't use /notice please. also you shouldn't speak spanish in here |
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| 22:13.28 | ke6isf | !es |
| 22:13.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:13.40 | krod | Don't Notice please. |
| 22:14.11 | Silent_al | happy new year ! |
| 22:14.16 | Silent_al | ^_^ |
| 22:14.20 | ke6isf | oh, ffs.. |
| 22:14.27 | ke6isf | ~tell Mardecopas -about es |
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| 22:14.36 | GregorR-L | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.44 | MastaP|AwaY | YoP all ! |
| 22:15.07 | solomonn | haha |
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| 22:15.41 | ke6isf | Where is .pe? |
| 22:16.10 | peterS | ke6isf: zgrep -i :pe: /usr/share/misc/countries.gz |
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| 22:16.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:16.22 | peterS | well, if you have 'miscfiles' installed |
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| 22:16.33 | peterS | if you don't, well, it's Peru |
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| 22:16.49 | ke6isf | peterS: No dice. Methinks it's time to install miscfiles. =^^= |
| 22:17.18 | ke6isf | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 22:17.34 | peterS | ke6isf: very handy for answering questions like that one, it is. country codes for top-level domains are straight out of iso-3166 |
| 22:18.00 | peterS | ke6isf: see also /usr/share/iso-codes/iso_3166.tab in the iso-codes package |
| 22:18.02 | ke6isf | peterS: Indeed. Something to keep in mind - and probably forget anyway as I immerse myself into learning perl. =^^= |
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| 22:19.14 | Benbread | Hi there, having a few problems with apt-get: an unmet dependancy is stopping me from installing anything - when i run "apt-get -f install" apt tries to install the package but dpkg fails (broken pipe) - this package doesn't seem to affect my systems integrity (it's a KDE package) so i'm wondering if i can have apt ignore it (i've consulted the man pages but to no avail) can alone help me?... |
| 22:19.15 | Benbread | ...thanks :) |
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| 22:19.46 | falkon | what package? |
| 22:19.52 | ke6isf | Benbread: What version of Debian? |
| 22:20.19 | Benbread | Etch |
| 22:20.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell Benbread -about bat |
| 22:20.40 | dondelelcaro | Benbread: follow those instructions for starters. |
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| 22:21.01 | Benbread | falcon: "kdelibs4c2: Depends: kdelibs-data (> 4:3.5-rc1) but 4:3.4.2-4 is to be installed" |
| 22:21.15 | Benbread | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 22:22.41 | krod | in /etc/limits/security.conf what is the difference from soft and hard? |
| 22:23.03 | asuffield | non-root users can change the soft limits |
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| 22:24.17 | blondie | dagnammit |
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| 22:25.49 | Benbread | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1431 <-- contains all apt-get output from what i'm trying to do (came across this trying to apt-get install qt3-dev-tools) |
| 22:26.23 | Kaiser_Soze | hey, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114814/fullcredits <-- they spelled it like Keyser Sose |
| 22:26.31 | Kaiser_Soze | if anyone still cares for the correct spelling thingy |
| 22:26.33 | peterS | Kaiser_Soze: well I'll be |
| 22:26.51 | Kaiser_Soze | man i thought you had the dvd |
| 22:26.58 | peterS | nope, sorry |
| 22:27.03 | Kaiser_Soze | someone in here did |
| 22:27.24 | peterS | I think I mentioned "reading the back cover" as the right way to learn to spell the character's name |
| 22:27.29 | peterS | but that doesn't mean I actually have the DVD (: |
| 22:27.31 | cbr | Happy New Year #debian ! |
| 22:27.52 | Kaiser_Soze | i got about 8 hours to go |
| 22:27.54 | Kaiser_Soze | heh |
| 22:28.05 | peterS | Kaiser_Soze: you're in my TZ then? -0600? |
| 22:28.12 | Kaiser_Soze | the earth won't rotate for another 8 hours |
| 22:28.17 | Kaiser_Soze | indeed |
| 22:28.25 | Kaiser_Soze | im in the fucking bible belt |
| 22:28.30 | Supaplex | so much for the leap second :p |
| 22:28.49 | Kaiser_Soze | peterS, witchita KS |
| 22:29.15 | peterS | Kaiser_Soze: wave to solomonn and Flimzy and me, then |
| 22:29.15 | jbroome | i'm -0500 |
| 22:29.18 | peterS | Kaiser_Soze: we're in the same town |
| 22:29.24 | Kaiser_Soze | no |
| 22:29.27 | Kaiser_Soze | i mean YOU ARE there |
| 22:29.31 | Kaiser_Soze | im in fuckin okc |
| 22:29.32 | Kaiser_Soze | :/ |
| 22:29.34 | peterS | ahhh |
| 22:29.37 | thetallcoolone | peterS: sorry I had to quit. there were no msgs appearing on my screen anymore. |
| 22:29.39 | peterS | close enough |
| 22:29.48 | Kaiser_Soze | how far is it? |
| 22:29.58 | thetallcoolone | peterS: the command you gave me didn't produce any output |
| 22:30.08 | Kaiser_Soze | peterS, can you find weed? i'll drive up there for a pound or two |
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| 22:30.15 | Kaiser_Soze | j/k |
| 22:30.21 | peterS | Kaiser_Soze: I don't do weed, so I've no idea where one gets it |
| 22:30.35 | peterS | Kaiser_Soze: but kansas is pretty big into meth production |
| 22:30.38 | Kaiser_Soze | ugh |
| 22:30.49 | Kaiser_Soze | white trash filth |
| 22:30.52 | benjamindees | despite the huge crosses plastered on the buildings downtown, I'm sure you can find weed in OKC... |
| 22:31.39 | Kaiser_Soze | benjamindees, yeh man i hot a decent hookup, but its brown budd, im looking for nug, green bud, stock up for a years worth supply |
| 22:31.39 | Kaiser_Soze | hehe |
| 22:31.42 | benjamindees | ...and lots of escorts too from what I'm told |
| 22:31.51 | thetallcoolone | peterS: I'm refferencing :lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 22:32.35 | peterS | thetallcoolone: it prints nothing, eh? then apparently lspci doesn't think you have a sound card at all |
| 22:32.43 | peterS | thetallcoolone: what kind of machine is this - old, new, laptop, what/ |
| 22:33.07 | thetallcoolone | peterS: fairly old, a P3 667 |
| 22:33.26 | thetallcoolone | peterS: but the card gets recognized at boot up. |
| 22:33.38 | fooz | maybe it's ISA |
| 22:33.48 | thetallcoolone | fooz: yes, ISA |
| 22:33.50 | fooz | heh |
| 22:33.59 | peterS | thetallcoolone: right, ok, then use 'pnpdump' to determine what it is |
| 22:34.07 | thetallcoolone | fooz: you<re good! :P |
| 22:34.18 | thetallcoolone | peter: ok. |
| 22:34.24 | peterS | thetallcoolone: that's in the isapnptools package. or just figure it out from the ISA PNP output in the boot log (the 'dmesg' command) |
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| 22:37.08 | thetallcoolone | peterS: it tells me it's a 4236. The card is made by Crystal. |
| 22:37.35 | thetallcoolone | PeterS: alsaconf configure it properly. |
| 22:37.48 | peterS | thetallcoolone: ok so you need the module snd-cs4236 |
| 22:38.08 | peterS | thetallcoolone: while you're at it I always include the module snd-pcm-oss so that apps which don't speak native alsa will still work |
| 22:38.54 | thetallcoolone | peterS: OK! So can you tell me again where to add those modules? |
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| 22:39.04 | peterS | thetallcoolone: /etc/modules |
| 22:39.54 | timf | hi...does anybody know how to get 3-D hardware acceleration to work with the VIA Unichrome chipset using xorg-6.9? I can't find the GL driver! |
| 22:40.09 | stew | whee |
| 22:40.22 | Benbread | Glad to see someone else has problems with 3D hardware acceleration - can't get it working either |
| 22:40.31 | stew | i don't know why my client thought that the end of this month would be a good month for switching hosting companies |
| 22:40.53 | thetallcoolone | peterS: so I just add those 2 modules in there and that's it? (on a line each?) |
| 22:41.10 | peterS | thetallcoolone: normally that's it. it takes effect every time you boot |
| 22:41.24 | timf | (worse yet...xorg-x11-6.9.0 fails to build from source on my machine!) |
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| 22:42.01 | abrotman | stew: party? |
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| 22:42.18 | stew | yeah, i expect people will be arriving at any time now |
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| 22:42.38 | abrotman | stew: aren't you still at work ? |
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| 22:42.58 | stew | abrotman: yes, we are having the nye party at the office |
| 22:43.07 | thetallcoolone | damn! I'll get use to work in Linux eventually. |
| 22:43.08 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 22:43.27 | stew | luckly my office and my apartment are the same place |
| 22:43.35 | Benbread | timf: i think linux 3d hardware acceleration driver support is pretty minimal |
| 22:43.47 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 22:43.50 | falkon | Has anyone here used the svideo output on an NVidia in Debian? I want to hook the server to the HDTV, but I've never done it under Linux |
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| 22:44.14 | abrotman | falkon: ask #nvidia |
| 22:44.28 | falkon | will they cover linux? |
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| 22:44.47 | abrotman | i would hope so |
| 22:44.47 | stew | falkon: /topic #nvidia |
| 22:44.59 | falkon | i see now :) |
| 22:45.00 | timf | Benbread: so I'll just need to wait for better support in later versions, like xorg-7.1? |
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| 22:45.55 | stew | ok, the last rsync is done, time to rm -rf /home ; make some espresso, and start partying |
| 22:46.10 | stew | abrotman: peterS, everyone else, happy new years |
| 22:46.16 | peterS | same to you, stew |
| 22:46.21 | Benbread | timf: i'm sure there's a list with chipsets and what support there is for them, maybe add your chipset to a wishlist? Either that or write the drivers yourself :P |
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| 22:47.52 | thetallcoolone | peterS: sorry, I close my IRC client by mistake. Can you give me the module names again? One is cs-4236 and the other one is? |
| 22:48.01 | timf | Benbread: well, we're making progress: kernel-2.6.14 has the via module, and xorg-6.9 has a fast 2D driver with DRI support, but... |
| 22:48.03 | peterS | thetallcoolone: snd-cs4236, snd-pcm-oss |
| 22:48.15 | benjamindees | the unichrome drivers are relatively new, they'll improve |
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| 22:49.11 | tarzeau | !HNY |
| 22:49.18 | thetallcoolone | peterS: thanks a million for your help. May I ask another question? |
| 22:49.24 | tarzeau | dpkg hny is HAPPY NEW YEAR |
| 22:49.25 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 22:49.37 | peterS | thetallcoolone: ask. I or someone else might answer |
| 22:49.54 | abrotman | stew: are you done with work ? |
| 22:50.15 | timf | benjamindees: here's what's driving me crazy today: the unichrome_dri driver for OpenGL is THERE, in the source...but it's turned off in the config files! |
| 22:50.17 | Benbread | timf: i do much admire device driver support at the kernel level - i've had loads of devices running "out of the box" on Linux while Windows requires additional drivers/files |
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| 22:51.01 | blondie | Benbread: yes, and the other way too :P |
| 22:51.26 | Supaplex | !hny |
| 22:51.27 | dpkg | Happy New Year! |
| 22:51.28 | benjamindees | timf, the kernel config? turn it on then... |
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| 22:51.46 | thetallcoolone | I did ask here about changing my screen resolution and it worked but now the scroll wheel of my mouse is not working anymore. How can I make it work again? |
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| 22:51.59 | Supaplex | gease it |
| 22:52.30 | falkon | I found a cool program called nvoption |
| 22:52.47 | Benbread | blondie: I seem to notice Linux has better support for trivial devices i've never heard of than real required devices - like my graphics card :P |
| 22:53.01 | benjamindees | timf, xorg 6.9 is at backports.org |
| 22:53.02 | timf | benjamindees: no, not the kernel...the xorg-x11-6.9.0 source tree that was JUST uploaded yesterday. (The kernel module works just fine.) |
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| 22:53.43 | benjamindees | timf, :( |
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| 22:55.20 | timf | bejamindees: yah...and even if I hack the makefile, and get around the FTBFS bug...it will still fail the MANIFEST test :( |
| 22:56.06 | thetallcoolone | reformulating my question: how can I verify/change the driver my system is using for my mouse? |
| 22:56.19 | timf | so...is there an IRC channel just for debian-x issues? |
| 22:56.27 | streuner | just ask |
| 22:56.43 | abrotman | is there a #debian-x ? |
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| 22:57.12 | deadcat | do i really need hostapd in order to setup AP mode on a prism card using hostap? it works without, but i cant get it to release dhcp ips. static works. |
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| 22:57.58 | timf | abrotman: I just tried to JOIN debian-x ...and it said that channel doesn't exist :( |
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| 22:58.29 | abrotman | oh well |
| 22:58.48 | benjamindees | try again... |
| 23:00.13 | thetallcoolone | so no one can help me with my PC mouse issue? Where can I go for help then? |
| 23:00.27 | Enchanter_Tim | thetallcoolone, whats the problem |
| 23:00.39 | benjamindees | timf, what debian version are you on? |
| 23:00.51 | netman1 | [OT] Happy New Year! |
| 23:00.55 | TriKster-Abacus | HAPPY NEW YEARS SWEDEN! |
| 23:01.14 | Enchanter_Tim | TheBigfoot, apt-get install discover && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x(org) or server, then just chose the proper driver protocol |
| 23:01.34 | thetallcoolone | I use to have the croll wheel working on it. Once I reconfigure x to accept a higher resolution for my screen, it stopped working. I'd like to know where I can look to fix it. |
| 23:01.35 | timf | sarge, with some backports, including kernel-2.6.14 and now xorg-x11-6.9.0 |
| 23:02.06 | Enchanter_Tim | thetallcoolone, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:02.15 | pureone | doesnt dpkg-reconfigure make a backup of the x config? |
| 23:02.17 | Enchanter_Tim | depending on which xserver you have |
| 23:02.32 | Enchanter_Tim | pureone, consult manpage |
| 23:02.36 | thetallcoolone | Enchanter_Tim: waht do I have to look for? |
| 23:02.40 | pureone | ok |
| 23:02.52 | laurens_ | merry christmass! |
| 23:02.53 | laurens_ | err |
| 23:02.55 | Enchanter_Tim | thetallcoolone, look the the file device input etc. you can't miss it |
| 23:02.56 | laurens_ | happy newyear! |
| 23:02.59 | laurens_ | from belgium |
| 23:03.04 | laurens_ | GMT +1 |
| 23:03.05 | timf | the hardware is an Averatec 3200 series, with VIA chipsets that need the latest drivers to run at full speed |
| 23:03.06 | laurens_ | :-) |
| 23:03.09 | thetallcoolone | Enchanter_Tim: thanks |
| 23:03.11 | laurens_ | anyone? |
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| 23:03.23 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 23:03.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:03.35 | Enchanter_Tim | can anyone not help me |
| 23:03.46 | Enchanter_Tim | i dont' want to be helped |
| 23:03.46 | GregorR-L | I can not help you. |
| 23:03.54 | pureone | im having problems my self getting my mouse working... theres only 1 /dev for mouse and thats /dev/ttyS0 but cant move the mouse around in x |
| 23:04.11 | benjamindees | timf, so I guess those 6.9 packages from xorg don't contain the unichrome driver either? |
| 23:04.12 | GregorR-L | pureone: You hvae an olde serial mouse? |
| 23:04.19 | Enchanter_Tim | pureone, what kind of mouse is it? |
| 23:04.20 | pureone | no usb mouse |
| 23:04.20 | benjamindees | timf, oops, from backports.org I mean |
| 23:05.58 | timf | benjamindees: no, they don't include /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/unichrome_dri.so. But the source DOES have an experimental version... |
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| 23:06.39 | timf | ...so if I can throw the right switch, and rebuild from source, maybe I can get this to work! |
| 23:06.48 | dino4k | oh, for me its now a "Happy new year" |
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| 23:07.02 | Enchanter_Tim | pureone, when you configure X, what mouse protocol options does it provide? |
| 23:07.36 | timf | because, darn it, somebody knows how to make this work...it's there in the code. |
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| 23:08.58 | keta | happy new year folks! |
| 23:09.17 | noideaatall | hello , is there a way that i can directly change the destination file of a link file ? |
| 23:09.20 | pureone | Enchanter_Tim one sec |
| 23:09.23 | benjamindees | timf, have you tried this? http://sourceforge.net/projects/unichrome |
| 23:09.53 | noideaatall | happy new year keta |
| 23:10.08 | keta | yes |
| 23:10.17 | keta | at least for all CET peolple |
| 23:10.21 | keta | :D |
| 23:10.29 | tarzeau | !HNY |
| 23:10.30 | dpkg | Happy New Year! |
| 23:10.33 | timf | benjamindees: yes, I've been there...but I'm trying to stay with the Debian Way of doing things |
| 23:10.45 | thingfish | Happy New Year, keta. |
| 23:10.53 | pureone | Enchanter_Tim when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it gives me the option for /dev/input/mice |
| 23:11.11 | abrotman | thingfish: were you upset earlier ? |
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| 23:11.22 | thingfish | abrotman: yes, I was kind of. |
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| 23:11.39 | abrotman | thingfish: sorry .. i thought you knew about dpkg's gamp obsession |
| 23:11.40 | thingfish | abrotman: but no big deal. |
| 23:11.47 | sifi-x | happy new 2006 everyone! |
| 23:11.49 | thingfish | no, I don't even know what gamp is. |
| 23:11.53 | thingfish | !gamp |
| 23:11.54 | dpkg | Gay Asian Midget Pr0n! |
| 23:11.56 | thingfish | oh |
| 23:11.57 | abrotman | thingfish: it's a joke .. |
| 23:12.04 | abrotman | dpkg -l pkg |
| 23:12.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching pkg |
| 23:12.07 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:12.07 | abrotman | dpkg -l pkg |
| 23:12.09 | abrotman | dpkg -l pkgd |
| 23:12.10 | dpkg | ii pkgd 1.9-4.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 23:12.11 | dbron | heh, gamp |
| 23:12.20 | thingfish | well, I always say, "fuck 'em if they can't take a joke", so I'm cool. |
| 23:12.23 | abrotman | thingfish: if you do tht enough .. it will say . abrotman's gamp collection |
| 23:12.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:12.30 | Enchanter_Tim | pureone, look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and see what protocl it is set to, it might just be set to IMPS2 etc. |
| 23:12.54 | Enchanter_Tim | and you said it was usb right? |
| 23:13.23 | g3brown | Can I specific volume labels in to boot from in GRUB (menu.lst) instead of the physical device? |
| 23:13.24 | pureone | yes |
| 23:13.37 | sifi-x | enjoy the best radio channels from a script I made at http://sovix.com/ |
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| 23:14.58 | thingfish | now I'm horny for gay midget porn. :/ |
| 23:15.19 | Daveman | o_O |
| 23:15.20 | fooz | anyone know if linux can work w/ video capture on recent all-in-wonder cards? |
| 23:15.21 | Enchanter_Tim | pureone, are you usb drivers loaded? |
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| 23:15.42 | Enchanter_Tim | usb-core/usb-uhci etc. |
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| 23:15.47 | sifi-x | is there anyone here that like internet radio? |
| 23:15.49 | Duelist | what free software can one use to play a .flv file? |
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| 23:15.55 | thetallcoolone | Enchanter_Tim: I went thru dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 the DRIVER line just says "mouse". Though if I click in the wheel, it does work but not the scrolling. |
| 23:15.59 | tarzeau | Duelist: what says file the.flv ? |
| 23:16.05 | thingfish | sifi-x: I'm sure lots of us listen to internet radio. |
| 23:16.15 | Enchanter_Tim | thetallcoolone, ahh thats not too hard i think |
| 23:16.18 | Duelist | $ file 20051110_1064976_450.flv |
| 23:16.19 | Duelist | 20051110_1064976_450.flv: Macromedia Flash Video |
| 23:16.27 | pureone | usb-core not found |
| 23:16.29 | sifi-x | thingfish, then pls, go to http://sovix.com and download stive.sh |
| 23:16.32 | Firestarter | is there anyone that could help me with the following error "sc3u: relocation error: sc3u: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 23:16.33 | Firestarter | " |
| 23:16.33 | thingfish | no |
| 23:16.38 | sifi-x | thingfish, you will be the first one ;) |
| 23:16.43 | Enchanter_Tim | pureone, install usb modules please |
| 23:16.49 | Enchanter_Tim | umm |
| 23:16.51 | Enchanter_Tim | usbcore |
| 23:16.58 | Enchanter_Tim | no - |
| 23:17.00 | sifi-x | thingfish, it grabs the playlists from di.fm and sky.fm etc from generated aliases |
| 23:17.02 | g3brown | pureone: what that a yes to me? if so what is the syntax? |
| 23:17.07 | thingfish | besides, how do I know we have compatible tastes in music? |
| 23:17.09 | abrotman | sifi-x: stop spamming us |
| 23:17.30 | thingfish | yes, please stop spamming. go get drunk and chase women or somethign. |
| 23:17.32 | peterS | Firestarter: sounds like somebody used an undocumented API and expected their software to work with future versions of libc and eventually got burned |
| 23:17.36 | pureone | g3brown no it wasnt sorry, gotta use nicktab more often ;) |
| 23:17.54 | peterS | Firestarter: recompiling on a modern system is generally the solution |
| 23:18.14 | Firestarter | peterS: I don't have the source is there any other way |
| 23:18.15 | pureone | Enchanter_Tim, ok usbcore is loaded |
| 23:18.20 | Enchanter_Tim | thetallcoolone, i think you have to specify this. Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" . put this in the input device mouse section |
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| 23:18.35 | peterS | Firestarter: you may have to run your app in a chroot or virtual machine or something, with an old copy of libc to keep it company |
| 23:19.02 | thetallcoolone | Enchanter_Tim: it is there already: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 23:19.02 | peterS | Firestarter: or using some sort of LD_LIBRARY_PATH magic with an old libc binary |
| 23:19.06 | Enchanter_Tim | thetallcoolone, then restart X |
| 23:19.18 | Enchanter_Tim | thetallcoolone, thats i can tell ya man |
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| 23:20.13 | Enchanter_Tim | thetallcoolone, try this. Option "Buttons" "5" . same section |
| 23:20.14 | abrotman | where's gnea ? |
| 23:20.35 | Duelist | tarzeau: any ideas? |
| 23:20.38 | thetallcoolone | Enchanter_Tim: on a new line? |
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| 23:20.44 | Enchanter_Tim | thetallcoolone, yes |
| 23:20.47 | Duelist | I threw it at vlc and mplayer. no dice |
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| 23:21.11 | Firestarter | peterS: where would I find an old libc binary and show it where to find it? |
| 23:21.13 | Enchanter_Tim | pureone, modprobe the modules, then reconfigure X |
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| 23:21.17 | thetallcoolone | Enchanter_Tim: K, and then restart X? |
| 23:21.24 | DaBlade | Hello. This is gonna sound lame, but is there a way to force apt to reinstall a package? |
| 23:21.31 | abrotman | --reinstall |
| 23:21.39 | Enchanter_Tim | thetallcoolone, whenever you want xconfig changes to take effect you must restart the server |
| 23:21.39 | DaBlade | k |
| 23:21.49 | Supaplex | if a process hasn't received a SIGKILL because it's still waiting on a disk read/block operation (xsane scsi_bloc, most likeley on /dev/sg0 scanning devices), why hasn't the read completed yet? (seems deadlocked) |
| 23:21.54 | thetallcoolone | Enchanter_Tim: OK, thanks. |
| 23:21.56 | Duelist | DaBlade: and it's not lame at all. shit happens. |
| 23:22.00 | peterS | Firestarter: well, any copy of the libc6 package has a /lib/libc-*.so and a /lib/libc.so.6 symlink pointing to it |
| 23:22.06 | pureone | Enchanter_Tim, im not touching dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again :) last time it screwed up the sync and the monitor went nuts. my x config is almost perfect it justs the mouse problem im getting |
| 23:22.09 | DaBlade | root@1[downloads]# apt-get --reinstall libxine1 |
| 23:22.09 | DaBlade | E: Invalid operation libxine1 |
| 23:22.33 | DaBlade | What did I do wrong? lol |
| 23:22.34 | xeon_ | whats a good simple torrent client? |
| 23:22.36 | Duelist | DaBlade: apt-get --reinstall install libxine1 |
| 23:22.37 | peterS | Firestarter: just a matter of unpacking that with dpkg-deb or similar, then pointing the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable to that location and praying it doesn't need any NSS functions |
| 23:22.37 | Supaplex | you might mean --reinstall install foo |
| 23:22.38 | bunghole | pureone, make a backup of it first |
| 23:22.45 | DaBlade | thanks, duelist |
| 23:22.54 | bunghole | pureone, you can always restore your current X settings by using the backup file |
| 23:23.00 | peterS | Firestarter: you can also pray that your boss doesn't make you use non-free software in the future, so you can avoid this sort of mess |
| 23:23.15 | Firestarter | my boss |
| 23:23.16 | Firestarter | ? |
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| 23:23.25 | DaBlade | Duelist: I compiled a new version of the xine libs, but it turned out to be unstable, so I wanted the old one back. lol |
| 23:23.27 | peterS | Firestarter: well, whoever is making you use this software for which you don't have the source |
| 23:23.29 | DaBlade | Thanks. |
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| 23:23.38 | Duelist | so nobody knows if free software exists that can play .flv? |
| 23:23.39 | Duelist | great |
| 23:23.49 | Firestarter | peterS: it's an old game I have |
| 23:24.02 | thingfish | DaGo: you too, amigo! |
| 23:24.18 | pureone | when i run mdetect it only lists /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 23:24.54 | thingfish | If George Bush were to turn queer, who would he run off with? |
| 23:25.06 | thingfish | that's what I want to see for 2006. |
| 23:25.08 | abrotman | thingfish: his dad |
| 23:25.11 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:25.15 | thingfish | icky, but funny |
| 23:25.25 | abrotman | GWB and Rove ... in love .. and on the run .. |
| 23:25.40 | DaGo | thingfish, thanks, happy new year from Spain! |
| 23:25.47 | Tortel | woo! |
| 23:25.51 | thingfish | oh yes, that round little man, he's all soft like a nice pink piggy... |
| 23:25.51 | Tortel | is 2006 any good? |
| 23:25.57 | Tortel | or should I kill myself now? |
| 23:26.05 | abrotman | Tortel: aren't you .. like .. 15? |
| 23:26.09 | Tortel | yea |
| 23:26.10 | Tortel | so? |
| 23:26.20 | Tortel | why you always here? |
| 23:26.25 | abrotman | how bad can 2006 be for a 15 year old ? |
| 23:26.25 | DaGo | 26 first minutes like 05, but waiting yet |
| 23:26.30 | thingfish | you have much to live for, Tortel. keep going. |
| 23:26.33 | Tortel | ok |
| 23:26.35 | thingfish | boy really |
| 23:26.42 | fooz | friggin ati.com |
| 23:26.44 | abrotman | "Oh shit .. fish sticks again at school! .. mother fucker! .. i'm so trading for extra chips" |
| 23:26.50 | peterS | gee, a guy who talks a lot and doesn't actually ask debian-related questions ... turns out to be 15. a shocker. |
| 23:26.54 | thingfish | but I like fish sticks. |
| 23:26.56 | peterS | abrotman: gimme your tots |
| 23:27.02 | thingfish | extra tartar sauce, please. |
| 23:27.09 | abrotman | peterS: i want the chips ..! .. you can have my fish! |
| 23:27.17 | Tortel | fuck that, Im gettin pizza |
| 23:27.19 | Tortel | :P |
| 23:27.20 | peterS | mmmm, fish |
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| 23:27.29 | abrotman | i'd like a little chinese for dinner |
| 23:27.32 | thingfish | yes fish sounds good tonight, actually. |
| 23:27.38 | peterS | abrotman: that's cruel |
| 23:27.43 | blondie | thingfish: cannibal! |
| 23:27.45 | thingfish | I thought about chinese...still may do it. |
| 23:27.46 | abrotman | peterS: why? .. as long as she's cute :) |
| 23:27.49 | thingfish | hehe blondie |
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| 23:28.36 | thingfish | damn, in fact I think my dad had a bunch of crappie and bass, I should've thought to ask him for a few filets. |
| 23:28.44 | g3brown | I'm having troubles with an ext usb disk. I have to boot to os then turn it on or the os will stop loading. I believe this is occurring because when the usb device is on during boot it becomes /dev/sda and knocks all the other drives down one (ie the sda becomes sdb). I setup volume labels on my drives so I could specify them in fstab instead of the physical device. This works, but I still can't boot with ext usb disk on. I'm th |
| 23:28.44 | g3brown | inking I need to change it in grub too. I have no idea what to change though. In /boot/grub I see device.map and menu.lst. Anyone know what I need to alter? |
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| 23:29.45 | Servo888 | Question. When you let vmware take over some usb device; does it 'emulate' it? Or does it send the real device over to the guest os? Like if you plug in some usb printer will it get detected as the usb printer and function like one as if you were to use it on a windows host system? |
| 23:29.48 | abrotman | thingfish: crappie ? |
| 23:30.14 | thingfish | abrotman: it's a kind of fish, medium size, very good eating, common in the midwest. |
| 23:30.17 | abrotman | is there a timeout option to mount ? |
| 23:30.24 | abrotman | thingfish: but not really called crappie ? |
| 23:30.29 | thingfish | pronounced crop-ee |
| 23:30.34 | abrotman | is it trout ? |
| 23:30.40 | thingfish | probably some indian word. |
| 23:30.50 | thingfish | oh no, it's more closely related to sunfish. |
| 23:31.00 | abrotman | thingfish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crappie |
| 23:31.10 | abrotman | thingfish: ah .. sunfish .. we don't eat those around here :) |
| 23:31.30 | ke6isf | thingfish: Was always wondering about that pronunciation. |
| 23:31.49 | thingfish | yep, that's a crappie. |
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| 23:32.07 | thingfish | oh hey listen, they're delicious. very clean tasting white flesh. |
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| 23:32.28 | thingfish | delicate texture, not tough at all. |
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| 23:32.33 | thingfish | very good eating. |
| 23:32.34 | abrotman | thingfish: we don't have them around here that i've seen |
| 23:32.43 | cheal | Servo888: ask #vmware |
| 23:32.44 | abrotman | thingfish: but we have a lot of salt fish .. and trout |
| 23:32.49 | thingfish | here, you can pull them up 40 at a time. |
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| 23:33.00 | thingfish | salt fish? now those I've never heard of. |
| 23:33.06 | abrotman | salt water fish |
| 23:33.09 | thingfish | oh |
| 23:33.32 | Tortel | salt water gets annoying |
| 23:33.38 | abrotman | Tortel: shut it .. you get all the crab you want! |
| 23:33.43 | thingfish | well if you can get trout, more power to you. I can eat about 3-4 trout at a sitting, if they're well prepared. |
| 23:33.46 | Tortel | I hate crab... |
| 23:33.47 | Tortel | :( |
| 23:33.49 | thingfish | ooh crab |
| 23:33.53 | abrotman | Tortel: aren't you in the wrong state :) |
| 23:33.55 | thingfish | I LOVE crab |
| 23:34.04 | Tortel | blue crab == crap |
| 23:34.05 | thingfish | I'll take crab over lobster anyday. |
| 23:34.07 | ke6isf | Crab! Om nom! |
| 23:34.14 | Tortel | king crab == good |
| 23:34.14 | thingfish | soft shelled crabs... |
| 23:34.23 | Tortel | !crab |
| 23:34.23 | abrotman | thingfish: go visit Tortel :) |
| 23:34.27 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:34.31 | abrotman | !crabpastesmite toresbe |
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| 23:34.33 | abrotman | whoops |
| 23:34.36 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:34.48 | Tortel | lol |
| 23:34.55 | Tortel | !smite me |
| 23:35.06 | fooz | what's a good linux-supported video capture card? |
| 23:35.19 | abrotman | i love all seafood .. except mollusks .. though i can eat them |
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| 23:35.36 | bsims | Ok I get udevd failed when I try to start it any ideas? |
| 23:35.43 | thingfish | yeah, seafood is heavenly. |
| 23:35.54 | kspath | I love stuffed clams and stuffed oysters |
| 23:36.02 | abrotman | htf do you stuff a clam ? |
| 23:36.08 | thingfish | just imagine living in japan, where all they eat is seafood and fish. yum yum. |
| 23:36.15 | kspath | I love shrimp in a garlic butter sauce with sangria on the side |
| 23:36.15 | troxy | is there a mechanism to find orphaned files and delete them, from packages that weren't --purged? |
| 23:36.20 | abrotman | thingfish: not really .. i don't like raw meat |
| 23:36.21 | ke6isf | abrotman: ...with great difficulty. I think it inovlves Soviet Russia. |
| 23:36.35 | thingfish | abrotman: well, they cook it too. |
| 23:36.36 | abrotman | troxy: dpkg -l | egrep ^rc |
| 23:36.42 | abrotman | thingfish: i know |
| 23:36.52 | bsims | abrotman: I get udevd failed when I try to start it any ideas? |
| 23:36.52 | kspath | you remove the clam or oyster meat and chop it and mix it with stuffing/seasoning and put back in shell and bake it |
| 23:37.00 | thingfish | yummy |
| 23:37.04 | abrotman | bsims: kill the maintainer? :) |
| 23:37.06 | kspath | VERY |
| 23:37.07 | ViViD | xorg 6.9 seems to have broken support for 7 button mice, anyone know how to get the buttons functioning like they did in 6.8.2? |
| 23:37.08 | thingfish | serve me up a couple dozen. |
| 23:37.23 | bsims | abrotman: hrm so I should ask on #debian-devel then? |
| 23:37.28 | repp | bsims: you require a kernel > 2.6.12 |
| 23:37.28 | troxy | abrotman: then cut the 2nd field, and pipe it to apt-get remove --purge? |
| 23:37.38 | abrotman | bsims: you sohuld .. see anything in the bts ? |
| 23:37.38 | troxy | ViViD: and nvidia :( |
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| 23:37.41 | abrotman | troxy: not quite |
| 23:37.43 | ke6isf | !tell bsims -about ask |
| 23:37.45 | bsims | repp: 2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 23:37.47 | peterS | troxy: well, or just to 'dpkg --purge' |
| 23:37.48 | thingfish | my dad makes the best deep fried oysters. real light batter, cooked just until they're done, so juicy and flavorful... |
| 23:37.50 | peterS | troxy: either way |
| 23:37.51 | ViViD | troxy, why nvidia? |
| 23:38.05 | bsims | abrotman: nope |
| 23:38.06 | ViViD | troxy, just use dpkg -i --force-overwrite nvidia-glx |
| 23:38.16 | troxy | ViViD: it's looking for the nvidia-glx 7676, even though I rm'd everything with 7676 in it |
| 23:38.27 | abrotman | troxy: dpkg -P |
| 23:38.42 | ViViD | troxy, no debian releases use 7676 |
| 23:38.55 | kspath | I HATE red tide ruins everything |
| 23:39.00 | abrotman | bsims: is there a better error ? |
| 23:39.09 | abrotman | kspath: especially when it comes back up :) |
| 23:39.38 | bsims | abrotman: nope I am starting as sudo /etc/init.d/udev start... I am gonna see if there is a newer version |
| 23:39.46 | abrotman | bsims: in etch ? |
| 23:39.48 | ViViD | troxy, most likely you used the nvidia.com installter, you should redownload it, and run 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-blah-blah --uninstall' |
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| 23:40.19 | bsims | Sid |
| 23:40.21 | benjamindees | fooz, anything with a bt819 or bt856 chipset |
| 23:40.33 | thingfish | no, it's nvidia-installer --uninstall |
| 23:40.34 | abrotman | bsims: and your sudo rights allow you to start a daemon ? |
| 23:40.44 | abrotman | !cheesesteak thingfish |
| 23:40.51 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:41.02 | ViViD | thingfish, that only works if you have installed, and have not removed it |
| 23:41.03 | bsims | abrotman: mine does <g> |
| 23:41.10 | ke6isf | My cat just rebooted my server. |
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| 23:41.12 | thingfish | yum, with extra green peppers, please. |
| 23:41.22 | abrotman | bsims: not much point to using sudo then :) |
| 23:41.28 | bsims | lazyness |
| 23:41.30 | abrotman | thingfish: hehe |
| 23:41.32 | ViViD | thingfish, if you removed it like he said he did, you have to use the --uninstall flag on the nvidia.com installer to access nvidia-installer |
| 23:42.19 | ramy | i suspect that my box has been compromised, anybody knows any good tool to scan the system for backdoors , or vulnerable services ? |
| 23:42.37 | ke6isf | ramy: what version of Debian? |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | chkrootkit |
| 23:42.41 | thingfish | ramy: chkrootkit |
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| 23:43.07 | ramy | ke6isf: sarge |
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| 23:43.18 | ke6isf | ramy: 'apt-get install chkrootkit'. |
| 23:44.31 | delysid | ramy> out of curiousity, why do you think your box may be compromised? |
| 23:45.48 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:45.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 23:45.56 | bsims | oh thats cute... if called with start it fails if you use restart it fires right up |
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| 23:46.37 | abrotman | bsims: hehe ... if you can find out why .. might be worth a bug report |
| 23:46.54 | bsims | Is there a way to tell it to be more verbose? |
| 23:47.21 | abrotman | strace ? |
| 23:47.27 | kspath | lol |
| 23:47.38 | bsims | only thing I can think of... |
| 23:48.39 | bsims | abrotman: < bureado> bsims: Probably because restart only launches udevd --daemon and start does a lot more of |
| 23:48.42 | bsims | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.50 | abrotman | bsims: from -devel ? |
| 23:48.50 | ramy | is there anyway that makes a debian machine reboots *CLEANLY* on its own ? I can see in logs processes receiving signal 15 and filesystem clean. |
| 23:48.54 | bsims | abrotman: yeah |
| 23:49.18 | abrotman | ramy: lots of machines reboot cleanly |
| 23:49.36 | ramy | abrotman: on its own ?!? |
| 23:49.39 | troxy | woohoo, you guys rock... thanks :) |
| 23:49.46 | ke6isf | ramy: You mean your box is rebooting spontaneously? |
| 23:50.02 | ramy | yes, I am the only onewho knows the root password |
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| 23:50.05 | peterS | ke6isf: he moved the mouse, y'know |
| 23:50.05 | abrotman | ramy: you're issuing a reboot ? .. and it does it badly ... or the box does it on its own ? |
| 23:50.16 | abrotman | ramy: well ffs .. that's called a CRASH .. they're bad |
| 23:50.19 | troxy | ViViD: good call on that --force-overwrite business |
| 23:50.36 | ramy | it just rebooted on its own . I am afraid there is hacker out there |
| 23:50.41 | jeph | Hi, which is the default Berkley DB version in Sarge? 3, 4.1, 4.2 or 4.3? |
| 23:50.56 | bsims | abrotman: sorry about the line break |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | it's ok |
| 23:51.08 | thingfish | ramy: spontaneous reboots can also mean bad cpu, ram, or motherboard. |
| 23:51.15 | peterS | jeph: just do 'dpkg -l libdb4\*' to see what's on your machine |
| 23:51.16 | ke6isf | ramy: A spontaneous reboot can happen for any reason, adn isn't necessarily a sign of a cracker - it could be that you have hardware going bad. |
| 23:51.26 | thingfish | more likely, in fact. |
| 23:51.28 | ramy | but in a crash the logs shows unclean filesystem , and I never see processes shutting down cleanly |
| 23:51.33 | bsims | Sigh, as udev replaced hotplug I really want/need udevd running |
| 23:51.50 | ke6isf | ramy: Sounds like a crash then. |
| 23:51.51 | thingfish | ramy: get (download) and run memtest86+. |
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| 23:51.59 | abrotman | thingfish: or cracked |
| 23:52.06 | thingfish | well maybe |
| 23:52.18 | jeph | peterS: there are a few different versions installed... |
| 23:52.32 | thingfish | I tend to suspect bad or failing hardware, with spontaneous reboots. |
| 23:52.34 | ramy | can a crash cause the system to reboot *CLEANLY* |
| 23:52.43 | abrotman | !watchdog |
| 23:52.47 | thingfish | oh well |
| 23:52.49 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:52.49 | peterS | jeph: for that sort of thing there is no concept of "default", anyway |
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| 23:52.55 | ke6isf | ramy: Not unless the crash switches the system's runlevel to 6. |
| 23:52.57 | jeph | peterS: the postfix source distribution warnes to use the version used by "some system libraries"? Dunno what that is tho.... |
| 23:52.58 | peterS | jeph: any individual package that uses berkeley db might have been compiled with any supported version of it |
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| 23:53.11 | abrotman | ramy: it is a crash |
| 23:53.26 | bsims | hrm, is it possible to have multiple entries in fstab with different file system types for the same /dev/Foo? |
| 23:53.41 | peterS | jeph: I guess you want the same version that is used by whatever support libraries postfix needs. you can use 'ldd' to find out what version that is for any given library |
| 23:54.06 | ramy | ke6isf: how can a harware failure switch the system runlevel to 6 |
| 23:54.06 | ke6isf | ramy: A software failure can cause such a crash, but that's a sign of a catastrophically badly written program if it can switch to init 6 during run. |
| 23:54.11 | jeph | peterS: ah... good idea, thanks man... |
| 23:54.13 | ke6isf | ramy: That's the point, it can't. |
| 23:54.16 | ambroseL | ramy, the filesystem is being checked on boot because it wasn't shut down cleanly -probably due to the crash. which may have been caused by a bug or a cracker. |
| 23:54.25 | abrotman | ke6isf: watchdog cards |
| 23:54.28 | peterS | jeph: pretty sure sarge postfix is compiled with db4.2 |
| 23:54.38 | ke6isf | abrotman: What's a watchdog card? |
| 23:54.43 | ambroseL | ramy, a hardware failure is highly unlikely to switch the system runlevel to 6. the other person was using humour |
| 23:54.59 | abrotman | ke6isf: http://www.pcwd.de/ |
| 23:55.29 | abrotman | ke6isf: though .. those are normally for software failure |
| 23:55.38 | abrotman | but .. his system is crashing .. |
| 23:55.53 | abrotman | !feed me |
| 23:56.18 | thingfish | I'd eat croc meat. |
| 23:56.26 | peterS | croc meat is good |
| 23:56.31 | thingfish | serve it up. |
| 23:56.33 | abrotman | i've eaten alligator .. a few times |
| 23:56.34 | peterS | tender |
| 23:56.36 | ambroseL | ramy, after you run chkrootkit in your live system, you might want to try a reboot to a live cd and try again |
| 23:56.40 | thingfish | abrotman: neat! |
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| 23:56.45 | thingfish | I haven't. I want to. |
| 23:56.56 | abrotman | i'm pretty much a carnivore .. if it bleeds .. i eat it |
| 23:57.01 | thingfish | hey me too. |
| 23:57.01 | abrotman | !tell root__ about root |
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| 23:57.11 | ambroseL | ramy, the chkrootkit under the current system might find extra processes (if there is a cracker) - or it might not because the system has been cracked and is reporting bad values even to chkrootkit |
| 23:57.15 | thingfish | but then I like plants, too. |
| 23:57.27 | thingfish | I like it all! Gimme it all! |
| 23:57.34 | abrotman | i like some plants |
| 23:57.40 | abrotman | mushrooms are a no-no |
| 23:57.42 | _rene_ | ramy: use a clean medium (like knoopix etc) and do your checks from there |
| 23:57.43 | ambroseL | ramy, the chkrootkit run under the live cd may find stuff on the disk, but you lose the chance to find rogue processes (because you rebooted to a known-good system) |
| 23:57.51 | ambroseL | ramy, also try rkhunter |
| 23:58.00 | _rene_ | ramy: anything else is unreliable since the cracker could have done anything if he was root |
| 23:58.02 | bsims | abrotman: isit possible to have multiple entries in fstab with different file system types for the same /dev/Foo? ie mount /dev/sda1 with vfat to /media/usbcard but mount /dev/sda1 ext3 to /media/backup/? or will I have to muck with udev rules for that? |
| 23:58.10 | thingfish | really! I love mushrooms. My dad goes out and hunts for wild mushrooms: morels, oyster mushrooms, inky cap... |
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| 23:58.25 | abrotman | bsims: not that i'm aware of .. how owuld it distinguish ? |
| 23:58.45 | abrotman | bsims: of course .. you could do -t auto perhaps ? |
| 23:59.11 | bsims | abrotman: Fsck, looks like its udev or doing it manually then |
| 23:59.19 | abrotman | !udev |
| 23:59.20 | dpkg | well, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable |
| 23:59.22 | bsims | auto should work... |
| 23:59.33 | ambroseL | ramy, don't panic if chkrootkit or rkhunter report problems - there are a few false positives with them |
| 23:59.57 | benjamindees | bsims, would volume labels work? |
