| 00:00.07 | bob2 | Gnea: hm, odd |
| 00:00.10 | l3m | pitchin_uk: fdisk -l shows you your disks and partitions |
| 00:00.15 | Gnea | bob2: very. |
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| 00:00.18 | phaedral | so i'm giving this box to my sister; can't figure out how to write all zeroes to the hard drive before passing it on |
| 00:00.21 | phaedral | clues? |
| 00:00.24 | mike_sol | buns, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or XFree86.conf) what is the driver line for your video card |
| 00:00.28 | Tig32 | Hello, I'm a newbie. I need technical help for installing onboard LAN adapter for Intel D915 series. My Installation package is debian-31r0a-i386-netinst |
| 00:00.30 | bob2 | enveezee: heh, I dunno, haven't done it in a year |
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| 00:00.36 | bob2 | probably be completely screwed now |
| 00:00.38 | phaedral | assume i can boot with a live-distro |
| 00:00.40 | mike_sol | phaedral, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd? bs=16384 |
| 00:00.41 | bob2 | I think 2.6.5 was the last |
| 00:00.43 | pitchin_uk | l3m : i have a hda and a hdb |
| 00:00.44 | bob2 | maybe 2 years then |
| 00:00.49 | phaedral | mike_sol: thanks |
| 00:00.50 | Gnea | here we go... |
| 00:00.52 | enveezee | phaedral: low-level utility, if your bios doesnt have one, you can get one from the drive's manufacturer |
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| 00:01.11 | mike_sol | don't worry, you only need to do the zeros once, its enough that nobody can recover it |
| 00:01.12 | Gnea | usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using address 3 scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 1 channel 0 id 0 lu |
| 00:01.22 | bob2 | haha usb |
| 00:01.25 | bob2 | god I hate usb |
| 00:01.27 | Gnea | like i said :) |
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| 00:01.35 | Gnea | it's a PITA |
| 00:01.36 | bob2 | also, that sounds like "noapic" or "nolapic" would fix it |
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| 00:01.43 | Gnea | hrm |
| 00:01.47 | pitchin_uk | l3m: what was next?? |
| 00:01.57 | Gnea | well it's a pair of dual-core xeons |
| 00:01.59 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yes but you probably have multiple partitions on hda as well as hdb |
| 00:02.03 | Gnea | it's not a unicore |
| 00:02.09 | Gnea | noapic isn't gonna work |
| 00:02.13 | buns | mike_sol, fglrx |
| 00:02.20 | l3m | pitchin_uk: you're in X now, right? paste the output of fdisk -l to rafb.net/paste |
| 00:02.26 | Gumby | anyone here use LVM at all? I just rebooted my box and my LVM is totally messed up. /dev/hdb and /dev/hdc seem to be missing from it. |
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| 00:02.28 | pitchin_uk | l3m : yeppretty much the same |
| 00:02.40 | pitchin_uk | ok will do |
| 00:02.47 | Jaxxan | other than knoppix, is there anyway to recover a file from a broke debian box ? |
| 00:02.49 | pitchin_uk | brb |
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| 00:03.07 | antgel | !tell Jaxxan about bague |
| 00:03.07 | litage | enveezee: i searched menuconfig for "block" but there's no mention of "block ide" or "ide block" |
| 00:03.13 | Ronin | Jaxxan: never mind |
| 00:03.16 | kfogel | Google isn't giving me many clues about what to do when 'apt-get install PKG' gives this error: "E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 00:03.16 | kfogel | ecc: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs" |
| 00:03.26 | Reptile4 | antgel: thanks.. i figured it out :) |
| 00:03.27 | kfogel | Anyone have any advice? |
| 00:03.34 | Gumby | pvdisplay shows the volumes and the correct UUID's but under "PV Name" it says" Unknown Device. |
| 00:03.44 | c_olin | I installed the latest kernel with apt-get.... in the /usr/src/linux directory, is the .config file the same as the precompiled kernel? So if I were to recompile it with the .config as the conf file, there would be no changes, correct? |
| 00:03.45 | repp_ | kfogel: I had this problem some time ago... I'm trying to remember what the resolution was |
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| 00:03.55 | repp_ | ah yes |
| 00:04.05 | Jaxxan | i didn't get a tell about bague |
| 00:04.06 | bob2 | c_olin: no |
| 00:04.09 | Jaxxan | what's that ? |
| 00:04.12 | repp_ | kfogel: I think what you are trying to do is upgrade from stable -> unstable, which is not supported. |
| 00:04.21 | kfogel | I've been on straight 'testing' for ages |
| 00:04.22 | Jaxxan | google is all in languages i dun understand |
| 00:04.25 | repp_ | kfogel: You need to go stable->testing; testing->unstable |
| 00:04.27 | repp_ | kfogel: oh |
| 00:04.29 | buns | mike_sol, basically the ati driver installer entered all the info in xorg.conf |
| 00:04.35 | mike_sol | on buns |
| 00:04.40 | mike_sol | er, ok |
| 00:04.42 | kfogel | I just tried to do a dist-upgrade within testing, same error. |
| 00:04.44 | mike_sol | are you using xorg? |
| 00:04.45 | c_olin | bob2: then is it the /boot/config-6.8.etc file? |
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| 00:04.47 | antgel | repp_: you sure about that? |
| 00:04.51 | kfogel | repp_: I've never done anything but 'testing' dist. |
| 00:04.58 | sparr | is there a gui text editor, or character map, program that can use fonts directly from X, not through fontconfig? |
| 00:05.02 | buns | on me? |
| 00:05.03 | bob2 | c_olin: you need to use the same compiler and initrd settings to get the same kernel |
| 00:05.13 | bob2 | sparr: emacs/etc can |
| 00:05.16 | buns | mike_sol, what? |
| 00:05.19 | bob2 | sparr: but why nto configure fontconfig to see them? |
| 00:05.22 | Jaxxan | !dpkg bague |
| 00:05.27 | mike_sol | buns, are you using xorg or xfree86 |
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| 00:05.32 | buns | xorg |
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| 00:05.37 | mike_sol | just checking :) |
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| 00:05.50 | mike_sol | buns, why not paste /var/logs/xorg.0.log into #flood |
| 00:05.51 | repp_ | antgel: kfogel: I'm racking my brians for what the resolution was but it was months ago |
| 00:05.53 | bob2 | kfogel: did you wait a very long time between dist-upgrads on testing? |
| 00:05.57 | antgel | Jaxxan: i meant vague. my typing goes to pot as this time. but thanks for the laugh :) |
| 00:06.00 | kfogel | repp_: I'm afraid to enable the option, because it has a skull-and-crossbones on it in the apt.conf man page, saying "Never do this unless you really know what you are doing" :-) |
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| 00:06.01 | mike_sol | buns: before you do |
| 00:06.02 | buns | ok |
| 00:06.04 | sparr | bob2: it doesnt recognize it. ive never learned emacs, got anything GUIer? |
| 00:06.05 | buns | ok |
| 00:06.05 | Jaxxan | k |
| 00:06.06 | bob2 | kfogel: if so, you may need to go via sarge (Wince you will be behind sarge) |
| 00:06.11 | mike_sol | use tail to get the last 10 or so lines and past just them |
| 00:06.13 | repp_ | kfogel: yeah, that is most certainly NOT the answer |
| 00:06.17 | mike_sol | might not need to wait for the whole thing |
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| 00:06.19 | repp_ | kfogel: follow the good advice and don't do that |
| 00:06.23 | buns | k |
| 00:06.39 | Jaxxan | !dpkg vague |
| 00:06.39 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 00:06.41 | kfogel | bob2: yes, it's been a while. I've been point-upgrading various packages, and they often fetch deps, so some of my system has been updated, and some hasn't. |
| 00:06.44 | dave | l3m: im back (phew in konversation). the text is in pastebin http://pastebin.com/424961 |
| 00:06.48 | bob2 | kfogel: ah, right |
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| 00:07.16 | sanoj | litage: I have backport of yaird for sarge |
| 00:07.17 | kfogel | bob2: I always assumed I was unevenly tracking 'testing' the whole time, by doing this. Then one day, this error started happening, and now I can't install some packages (though others are fine). |
| 00:07.20 | bob2 | kfogel: going via sarge (replace testing with sarge in your sources.list, apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade, change it back to testing, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade) will get you going |
| 00:07.21 | kfogel | And can't do dist-upgrade. |
| 00:07.27 | fevel | how do I configure the mouse´s extra buttons? |
| 00:07.36 | litage | sanoj: true, but is there any reason i should use initrd? |
| 00:07.36 | Jaxxan | antgel: you gotta link i can use ? |
| 00:07.36 | sanoj | litage: (I am official maintainer of yaird...) |
| 00:07.36 | kfogel | bob2: I will try it. Thanks to you and repp_ for your help! |
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| 00:07.41 | Jaxxan | i can't seem to find it |
| 00:07.52 | Tig32 | 2nd try: Hello, I'm a newbie. I need technical help for installing onboard LAN adapter for Intel D915 series. My Installation package is debian-31r0a-i386-netinst |
| 00:07.54 | EdibleText | kfogel, apt-get install e2fsprogs -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=true |
| 00:07.54 | repp_ | kfogel: you are welcome |
| 00:07.57 | sanoj | litage: Weell... |
| 00:08.01 | repp_ | kfogel: good luck |
| 00:08.10 | repp_ | kfogel: and please ignore EdibleText's suggestion |
| 00:08.14 | sanoj | litage: Personally I prefer modular kernels. |
| 00:08.15 | kfogel | repp_: okay |
| 00:08.17 | bob2 | kfogel: np (and thanks for your work on subversion!) |
| 00:08.21 | l3m | dave: ok, now edit /etc/fstab ( as root ) |
| 00:08.22 | kfogel | EdibleText: I think I'll try a safer way first, but thanks. |
| 00:08.26 | normie | how do i copy an intire partition including hidden files and so on to a folder? i take it cp isn't quite enough :) |
| 00:08.28 | thingfish | Tig32: have you downloaded a package that's ready to install? |
| 00:08.30 | sanoj | litage: One can do all sorts of weird stuff. |
| 00:08.34 | bob2 | litage: np. |
| 00:08.35 | EdibleText | kfogel, ok |
| 00:08.38 | litage | sanoj: true... |
| 00:08.50 | EdibleText | worked for me <shrug> |
| 00:08.53 | Tig32 | Thanks for answering - debian-31r0a-i386-netinst is a network installation package. |
| 00:09.00 | antgel | Jaxxan: i was telling you that your question was vague. as you want a link, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 00:09.13 | l3m | dave: and add the line " /dev/hdb6 /somewhere ext3 defaults 0 0 " |
| 00:09.16 | litage | bob2: would the ide drivers be under "PCI IDE chipset support"? |
| 00:09.18 | sanoj | litage: I mean - if you are lazy then use official kernels instead of compiling something with exactly your needed drivers builtin. |
| 00:09.26 | Tig32 | Should I download the complete package? I don't see my motherboard in the list supported boardsm yet my motherboard is very common. |
| 00:09.35 | Jaxxan | i just need to be able to recover one file on a partition on my broke linux box, then i'll reinstall it |
| 00:09.35 | bob2 | litage: I think so |
| 00:09.39 | phaedral | any way to get dd to give me some kind of progress bar next time? :( |
| 00:09.40 | buns | mike_sol, i dont have that log file on my system |
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| 00:09.46 | sanoj | litage: ...because even if you have the time and interest today you might not the day there's a critical security update! |
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| 00:09.53 | thingfish | that I know, tig32. what I'm wondering is if you have a package already downloaded for your motherboard. |
| 00:09.54 | buns | i dont even have /var/logs |
| 00:10.03 | l3m | dave: obviously replace /somewhere with something reasonable for you ;) |
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| 00:10.22 | buns | mike_sol, nvm. i'm dumb |
| 00:10.30 | buns | mike_sol, found it |
| 00:10.35 | antgel | sanoj: debain provides kernel security updates? :P |
| 00:10.39 | litage | sanoj: yeah. right now i'm trying to configure 2.6.14 for this motherboard (Intel D945GNT) which unfortunately happens to be very new |
| 00:10.41 | Tig32 | no, I didn't know it was passible to download a tailored-package such as you suggested. Should I be looking for one? If so - where exactly? I downloaded my package from the main Debian download area. |
| 00:10.52 | thingfish | Tig32: newish hardware is problematic in any distro. What motherboard and chipset? |
| 00:10.56 | Tig32 | *passible = possible |
| 00:11.15 | antgel | litage: why don't you try my suggestion? |
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| 00:11.23 | overlade | hi all |
| 00:11.55 | buns | mike_sol, see it in flood? |
| 00:12.08 | litage | antgel: because that would require the backport of yaird to sarge, which i don't want to use at this stage |
| 00:12.27 | repp_ | overlade: hey buddy! How's it going? |
| 00:12.27 | Tig32 | The motherboard is an Intel D915 series (either GEV or GUX or GAV or GAG, I don't know which, but it should matter as far as I know) |
| 00:12.27 | litage | (no office to you, sanoj :) ) |
| 00:12.31 | antgel | litage: it's your bed |
| 00:12.43 | redge- | hey, when booting, it loadsup a desktop manager, this is where you choose which desktop env. you wanna use. If i get this right it is called the GDM (Gnome Desktop Manager). Is there any other manager i could use with sarge, for exemple is there a KDM? |
| 00:12.46 | antgel | talking of which , i think i need to get some sleep |
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| 00:12.49 | sparr | bob2: how do i make emacs use the font? |
| 00:13.01 | overlade | repp_: hey good :) , thx ;) |
| 00:13.03 | mike_sol | buns, im back |
| 00:13.04 | mike_sol | sorry |
| 00:13.05 | repp_ | redge-: yes, there is a kdm |
| 00:13.08 | buns | its ok |
| 00:13.12 | buns | did you see flood? |
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| 00:13.18 | thingfish | Tig32: what happens when you try to install using the netinstall image? |
| 00:13.19 | mike_sol | buns, i dont see xorg.0.log |
| 00:13.20 | overlade | who can help me with an ati card plz ? |
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| 00:13.28 | buns | ok i'll do it again |
| 00:13.35 | mike_sol | is there no #ati, for the love of sega genesis |
| 00:13.47 | repp_ | overlade: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 00:13.51 | l3m | overlade: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 00:13.52 | redge- | repp_, thx will have a look, is this a available by apt-get on sarge systems? |
| 00:13.53 | sanoj | litage: Too new for 2.6.14.1 ? |
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| 00:14.09 | overlade | thx men repp_ , l3m |
| 00:14.11 | antgel | bob2: any chance of a "don't ask to ask" in /topic? |
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| 00:14.13 | litage | sanoj: not sure what you're asking |
| 00:14.34 | sanoj | litage: Your MB is too new for 2.6.14.1 ? |
| 00:14.40 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: ah thats better |
| 00:14.50 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: do i have to reboot |
| 00:14.59 | antgel | sanoj: he's just finished soldering the last resistor |
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| 00:15.05 | Tig32 | The installer doesn't recognise my network card. Intel suggested using eepro100 or e100 or e100pro, but they weren't accepted. I finished the installation and now I have a prompt and I can manually configure my card from the prompt, but I just don't know which driver to use. |
| 00:15.10 | markybob | antgel, people who ask to ask most likely wont read the topic, anyway |
| 00:15.14 | Tig32 | Isn't there any reference out there on Debian's website? |
| 00:15.15 | sanoj | antgel: :-) |
| 00:15.17 | Miesco | I got an external HP CD writer with USB, how should I get a module for it |
| 00:15.24 | Miesco | what do I modprobe or whatever |
| 00:15.34 | Miesco | Or where can I find a list |
| 00:15.34 | antgel | markybob: i know, but then i get to topicsmite them :( |
| 00:15.42 | litage | sanoj: i'm trying to figure that out right now. i got the sata controller recognized in 2.6.11, but not the ethernet controller. so now i'm checking to see if 2.6.14 supports the ethernet controller |
| 00:15.58 | sanoj | litage: what NIC? |
| 00:15.58 | thingfish | Tig32: so problems just with the nic? |
| 00:16.25 | antgel | Tig32: lspci |grep Ether |
| 00:16.26 | thingfish | if onboard nics aren't picked up, the easy solution is to spend $15 and get one that is. |
| 00:16.27 | sparr | is there a text editor for linux that will actually display ascii codes 127-160? |
| 00:16.32 | enveezee | bob2: I read this book that said "how many open source developers does it take to change a lightbulb? 17. 17 to argue about the liscence, 17 to argue about the brain-deadness of the lightbulb architecture; 17 to argue about the new model that encompasses all models of illumination... |
| 00:16.34 | thingfish | supported, that is. |
| 00:16.38 | enveezee | ... and makes it simple to replace candles, campfires, pilot lights and skylights with the same eas-to-extend mechanism, 17 to speculate about the secret industrial conspiracy that ensures that lightbulbs with burn out frequently; 1 to finally change the bulb; and 16 who decide that this solution is good enough for the time being" |
| 00:16.40 | Miesco | How do I make my HP external cd writer work? |
| 00:16.47 | litage | sanoj: it's onboard: Intel 82573V |
| 00:16.58 | Ronin | enveezee: heh |
| 00:16.58 | thingfish | hehe enveezee |
| 00:16.59 | Miesco | WHere are the modules from the kernel |
| 00:17.11 | litage | sanoj: it *should* be covered by the e1000 driver, but in 2.6.11 and older, it isn't |
| 00:17.14 | antgel | litage: i say ditch the motherboard and get something more retro e.g.vt100 |
| 00:17.26 | thingfish | Miesco: threaten it with ebay. |
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| 00:17.49 | Miesco | thingfish: Im in a hurry |
| 00:17.50 | Tortel | EBAY! |
| 00:17.53 | buns | how do i tell my ati card to do hardware 3d rendering instead of software rendering? |
| 00:17.56 | repp_ | Miesco: /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 00:18.01 | Miesco | thanks |
| 00:18.12 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: no |
| 00:18.13 | litage | antgel: i'd like to, but three of them were purchased. ditching 1 would be an option, but not 3 |
| 00:18.16 | antgel | buns: you already got an answer |
| 00:18.18 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: just run mount -a as root |
| 00:18.29 | sanoj | litage: litage Yeah - grepping for 82573 and it pops up |
| 00:18.30 | thingfish | buns: probably has something to do with fglrx. Ask dpkg about fglrx. |
| 00:18.42 | buns | dpkg fglrx |
| 00:18.42 | dpkg | methinks fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 00:18.47 | Miesco | repp_: WIth a USB CD Writer would I just modprobe it to work? |
| 00:18.56 | litage | sanoj: so 82573V is supported in 2.6.14? |
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| 00:19.06 | sanoj | litage: What is your worry with using a backport of yaird? |
| 00:19.14 | litage | sanoj: stability mostly |
| 00:19.16 | thingfish | buns: do /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 00:19.28 | markybob | Miesco, no. then you have to configure cdrecord to use it. |
| 00:19.31 | antgel | sanoj: don't bother. he wants the pain |
| 00:19.32 | thingfish | buns: or do !tell me about fglrx |
| 00:19.35 | sanoj | litage: Not entirely sure it is supported. Just saying 82573 is mentioned several times in e1000.c |
| 00:19.41 | buns | ok |
| 00:19.43 | enveezee | thingfish: stfu |
| 00:19.47 | buns | !tell me about fglrx |
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| 00:19.50 | sanoj | litage: ...could be only earlier revisions are supported... |
| 00:19.51 | Tortel | !stfu |
| 00:19.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 00:19.52 | Miesco | markos_: But do I modprobe it to get the device? |
| 00:19.53 | enveezee | buns: /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 00:19.56 | Jaxxan | ok so what's the command for making a bootdisk ? |
| 00:20.01 | litage | sanoj: awesome, thanks. that gives me hope =P |
| 00:20.01 | thingfish | enveezee: am I fucking up? |
| 00:20.06 | enveezee | thingfish: yep |
| 00:20.17 | sanoj | litage: with yaird, what works works quite stable |
| 00:20.17 | thingfish | darn. |
| 00:20.22 | enveezee | thingfish: there is no reason to address the bot publically to tell you something privatly |
| 00:20.24 | Tig32 | 32 |
| 00:20.29 | thingfish | the more I drink, the more I fuck up. |
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| 00:20.37 | markybob | Miesco, unplug the stupid thing. install hotplug and discover. tail -f /var/log/syslog and plug it in. see if it detects it |
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| 00:20.39 | thingfish | oh that |
| 00:20.50 | sanoj | litage: In 99% cases if a problem occurs yaird refuses to even build the ramdisk |
| 00:20.50 | repp_ | Miesco: no. Ensure that you have udev or hotplug installed (prefer udev if your kernel is 2.6.12 or greater) |
| 00:20.50 | enveezee | thingfish: public use of the bot is reserved for when it will benefit more than one other person |
| 00:20.52 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb6, |
| 00:20.52 | thingfish | that's minor. |
| 00:21.11 | sanoj | litage: ...which is different from initrd-tools and initramdisk-tools |
| 00:21.13 | thingfish | enveezee: makes sense, captain. |
| 00:21.22 | repp_ | Miesco: Then the module will be loaded automatically when you plug in the device. This you can be sure of by doing "tail -f /var/log/syslog" then plugging in the device |
| 00:21.44 | Miesco | Okay I got hotplug, getting discover |
| 00:21.51 | Tig32 | I performed "lspci |grep Ether" and got: Marvel Technology LTD - unknown device 4361. |
| 00:21.57 | sanoj | litage: Reason is that yaird does analysis based on sysfs info of the kernel rather than hardcoded precollected knowledge of would is supposed to work |
| 00:22.19 | markybob | marvel makes hardware now? do they have special powers? |
| 00:22.26 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: oh, try ext2 instead of ext3 |
| 00:22.27 | sanoj | litage: The backside of this clever probing is the running kernel must be 2.6.8 or newer (for sysfs support) |
| 00:22.37 | enveezee | Tig32: fyi | grep -i net will work more often than | grep Ether |
| 00:22.45 | sanoj | litage: ...so yaird provides no upgrade path from 2.4 kernels :-( |
| 00:22.49 | repp_ | Miesco: What kernel are you running? |
| 00:22.54 | enveezee | Tig32: not all cards say Ethernet, wifi for example |
| 00:23.07 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: nope same |
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| 00:23.21 | antgel | Tig32: did you do a 2.6 install? if not, do one |
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| 00:23.24 | Tig32 | Thanks for the Ethernet comments, but seriously, I have much more to learn about Unix operation at this point. |
| 00:23.26 | l3m | open a konsole and try to mount it by hand |
| 00:23.29 | Tig32 | I have version 2.6 installed. |
| 00:23.32 | Miesco | repp_: 2.4 |
| 00:23.38 | repp_ | Miesco: oh |
| 00:23.42 | antgel | Tig32: uname -r? |
| 00:23.56 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: do i need to take out the line from fstab |
| 00:23.56 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: mount /dev/hdb6 /somepathorother |
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| 00:24.06 | Tig32 | 2 |
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| 00:24.07 | repp_ | Miesco: I can't help you then, as 2.6 is really much better for desktops |
| 00:24.11 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: just ignore it for the time being |
| 00:24.15 | enveezee | at least everyone else laughed about it. |
| 00:24.20 | sanoj | litage: in short: Go grab my backport of yaird here: debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool-sarge/sid/yaird/ |
| 00:24.27 | enveezee | its not easy pulling up qoutes out of books, you cant just grep. |
| 00:24.32 | Miesco | repp_: Will hotplug still work? |
| 00:24.37 | Tig32 | my uname -r: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 00:24.39 | repp_ | Miesco: I can't help you then, as 2.6 is really much better for desktops |
| 00:24.40 | antgel | you can't grep for vomit |
| 00:24.42 | enveezee | I was going to paraphrase.. I am glad I didnt. I Had not remembered it as well as I thought |
| 00:24.56 | Pitchin_uk | nope |
| 00:25.05 | antgel | Tig32: you need to find out which kernel supports that card, and get it on the box somehow |
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| 00:25.26 | Miesco | repp_: What device would it be? /dev/hdd? |
| 00:25.30 | repp_ | Miesco: I can't help you then, as 2.6 is really much better for desktops |
| 00:25.30 | Pitchin_uk | cant find in fstab or mtab |
| 00:25.40 | Tig32 | I'd be glad to do so, but I can't work out which kernel supports my (rather popular Intel board) in the Debian website. Any suggestions there? |
| 00:25.44 | kadigibox | hello everyone. could I get some help getting midi to work. I have the EMU10k1 chipset Creative soundcard |
| 00:25.52 | antgel | Tig32: google |
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| 00:26.06 | Tig32 | Oh believe me I tried!!! |
| 00:26.08 | markybob | Miesco, when you plug it in, and you've got a tail on syslog, it'll show you which device it attached it to. if your kernel supports it, that is, which is unlikely on a 2.4 |
| 00:26.09 | sanoj | litage: The only reason for the need of backport (rather than simply grabbing the one in sid) is a few tiny C-based tools (module dependency resolving and a couple of netboot-related tools) - the rest is perl code |
| 00:26.11 | Tig32 | But I will try again! |
| 00:26.17 | antgel | Tig32: do the lspci without the grep to make sure there isn't another (supported) card onboard |
| 00:26.40 | Miesco | Whats that log file |
| 00:26.43 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: did you try the mount line? |
| 00:26.47 | markybob | Miesco, dude, i already told you |
| 00:26.54 | markybob | Miesco, unplug the stupid thing. install hotplug and discover. tail -f /var/log/syslog and plug it in. see if it detects it |
| 00:26.55 | sanoj | litage: ...and with "tiny" I mean less than 100 lines of code. |
| 00:27.13 | enveezee | tiny to me is like less than 20 |
| 00:27.18 | repp_ | Miesco: do you pay attention at all? "tail -f /var/log/syslog" |
| 00:27.19 | Miesco | Nov 10 19:30:42 debian kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:02.0-1, assigned address |
| 00:27.25 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: yer i typed mount /dev/hdb1/home/ |
| 00:27.28 | enveezee | I've written many nice programs with like 15 lines of code :P |
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| 00:27.43 | repp_ | Miesco: your device is not supported. Try a 2.6 kernel. |
| 00:27.48 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: no try an empty new directory |
| 00:27.53 | enveezee | that lookup program I made for the Judge's campaign was like 16 lines or so IIRC |
| 00:27.57 | Tig32 | antgel - that was a terrific suggestion: here's what I got from lspci: |
| 00:27.57 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: eg /mnt/suse or so |
| 00:28.10 | Miesco | usb-storage... |
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| 00:28.43 | Miesco | What device is it? |
| 00:28.52 | Miesco | My computer recognized it |
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| 00:29.01 | Miesco | Is it /dev/hdd? |
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| 00:29.13 | antgel | Miesco: look in the fucking log ffs |
| 00:29.19 | EdibleText | Miesco, you need to readm and not guess |
| 00:29.24 | sparr | Is there any X terminal program that can use non-fontconfig fonts and will display all of ascii 32-255 as they exist in the font? |
| 00:29.27 | EdibleText | readm/read |
| 00:29.27 | pureone | :O |
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| 00:29.30 | Miesco | antgel: Its not in the fucking log |
| 00:29.32 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: so should it be mount /dev/hdb6/ /mnt/suse |
| 00:29.36 | pureone | :O |
| 00:29.40 | markybob | repp_, care to repeat yourself one more time? i dont. |
| 00:29.40 | buns | i was reading about my graphics driver and this was mentioned "You should have hardware accelerated 3D graphics on your second head" what does that mean (second head)? |
| 00:29.44 | repp_ | Miesco: you aren't fucking listening |
| 00:29.48 | pbryan | repp: http://slickster.homelinux.org/jokes/less_taste/bathroomsigns.jpg |
| 00:29.54 | repp_ | Miesco: I can't help you then, as 2.6 is really much better for desktops |
| 00:29.57 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: yes. hmm but wait. did it work before? |
| 00:30.13 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: if it did, umount /dev/hdb6 first |
| 00:30.21 | Miesco | Said assigned to address 3 |
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| 00:30.29 | thingfish | and besides, enveezee, I only sent him one message that would've resulted in in-channel dpkg blurbage. Don't just pick on me for no reason. |
| 00:30.34 | Miesco | What do you want me to do |
| 00:30.34 | EdibleText | buns, second monitor in a dual monitor (head) configuration |
| 00:30.47 | pbryan | Miesco: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:30.49 | markybob | Miesco, upgrade to 2.6 or stop bugging us |
| 00:30.52 | antgel | Miesco: don't tempt me |
| 00:31.00 | buns | ok thx |
| 00:31.01 | thingfish | other people suggest far worse things and they don't get jumped on or told to stfu. |
| 00:31.04 | Pitchin_uk | mount: mount point /mnt/suse does not exist |
| 00:31.06 | sanoj | enveezee: So you could write a DHCP client in 15 lines of code that could link against klibc instead of glibc? |
| 00:31.11 | Miesco | Nov 10 19:30:46 debian hal.hotplug[1764]: could not get mountpoint for sysf |
| 00:31.20 | pbryan | Miesco: You're using a DVD burner? |
| 00:31.21 | sanoj | enveezee: (Gotta be loooong lines, then, I suspect |
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| 00:31.25 | Miesco | pbryan: Im trying to make my USB CD writer work |
| 00:31.30 | EdibleText | Pitchin_uk, mkdir /mnt/suse |
| 00:31.30 | pbryan | Miesco: What kernel? |
| 00:31.36 | Miesco | pbryan: 2.4 |
| 00:31.39 | markybob | sigh |
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| 00:31.48 | pbryan | Miesco: Hmm. Why not upgrade to 2.6? |
| 00:31.56 | markybob | pbryan, because he doesnt like to listen |
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| 00:31.59 | enveezee | sanoj: no it was a really small program I'll show you I still got it |
| 00:32.00 | Miesco | pbryan: Is it stable? |
| 00:32.09 | pbryan | Miesco: It's very stable. I've been using it for months. |
| 00:32.09 | antgel | pbryan: he's a retro computing freak |
| 00:32.26 | Miesco | pbryan: Is it slower? |
| 00:32.31 | litage | sanoj: thanks for that explanation. since this 2.6.14 kernel is still panicking when trying to touch hda, i'll give yaird a shot and enable initrd in the kernel |
| 00:32.33 | pbryan | Miesco: I use it on my desktop and several production servers. |
| 00:32.35 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 00:32.39 | pbryan | Miesco: No, it's actually faster response time. |
| 00:32.44 | markybob | we're at 2.6.14.1...not 2.6.3. yes, it's been around for a while. |
| 00:32.52 | sanoj | litage: Good to hear that! |
| 00:32.57 | EdibleText | antgel, a computing freak probably would not need this type of help ;) |
| 00:32.59 | pbryan | Miesco: Since ~2.6.9, things really gelled. |
| 00:33.05 | Miesco | pbryan: Okay would I do something as simple as, apt-get install kernek2.6blahblah? |
| 00:33.07 | antgel | litage: if you're gonna install yaird, you can install the 2.6.14 image and stop faffing about compiling |
| 00:33.13 | pbryan | Miesco: Yup. |
| 00:33.22 | pbryan | What processor do you have? |
| 00:33.24 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: still get wrong fs type |
| 00:33.27 | Miesco | pbryan: What version do you suggest? |
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| 00:33.45 | sanoj | enveezee: Well - I cannot code C myself, so you could probably show me nicely aligned /dev/random and I'd still be impressed :-P |
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| 00:33.48 | antgel | EdibleText: *sigh* |
| 00:33.49 | staniel | hello |
| 00:33.51 | pbryan | Miesco: what processor do you have? |
| 00:34.00 | Miesco | pbryan: celeron? |
| 00:34.02 | sanoj | litage: I agree with antgel |
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| 00:34.03 | EdibleText | !comfort antgel |
| 00:34.06 | dpkg | There, there, antgel. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:34.11 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: hmm |
| 00:34.15 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: let me think ;) |
| 00:34.17 | antgel | dpkg: fuck off |
| 00:34.18 | staniel | im trying to install debian on my laptop, and it seems that it will randomly lose its wired networking conenction |
| 00:34.30 | EdibleText | hwoa |
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| 00:34.43 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: ok try mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb6 /mnt/suse |
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| 00:34.54 | antgel | staniel: cable? |
| 00:34.56 | pbryan | Miesco: Okay, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.14-1-686. |
| 00:35.15 | staniel | antgel: yes |
| 00:35.32 | antgel | staniel: no, i mean hav you checked the cable and other hardware? |
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| 00:35.40 | staniel | any - yes |
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| 00:35.43 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: wel done |
| 00:35.57 | TiMiDo | he |
| 00:36.14 | thingfish | and enveezee, don't tell me to stfu again anyway. you fucking asshole. |
| 00:36.22 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: did it work? ;) |
| 00:36.34 | TiMiDo | lol thingfish why so violent? |
| 00:36.37 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: yep - do i have to do a chmod on that folder to give my user access |
| 00:36.45 | antgel | thingfish: you can plonk him |
| 00:36.45 | enveezee | sanoj: well this was done in bash all I needed to do was take a county voterfile that was badly formatted and turn it into a well formatted spreadsheet with phone numbers. I made two programs, one to sterilize the file to where it properly formatted and contained only the people from the district he was running for, and those who were eligble and likely to vote for him, based on voter history and affilation. |
| 00:36.50 | thingfish | oh it's the damn bourbon, TiMiDo. |
| 00:36.55 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: well now you can edit /etc/fstab again |
| 00:37.01 | TiMiDo | intresting |
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| 00:37.07 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: replace ext with reiserfs |
| 00:37.09 | EdibleText | staniel, at the same place during install or 'random'. happened to me while installing woody.. tried everything then ran memtest86, bad mem |
| 00:37.12 | thingfish | antgel: he's probably good for plonking, thanks. |
| 00:37.14 | enveezee | sanoj: shown are the last two cracks I took at the 2nd script which just did the lookups and writing of the final product http://pastebin.com/424985 |
| 00:37.21 | Miesco | I got Im getting 2.6.8-386 |
| 00:37.23 | staniel | EdibleText: its just random |
| 00:37.26 | TiMiDo | EdibleText woody is a different story |
| 00:37.30 | lgd_ | night all |
| 00:37.31 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: and append "defaults" with "defaults, user" |
| 00:37.35 | repp_ | Miesco: NO! |
| 00:37.40 | staniel | I don't think it would be bad memory, but Ill check it out |
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| 00:37.54 | repp_ | Miesco: The correct command is 'cat /dev/audio > /dev/hda' |
| 00:38.03 | markybob | enveezee, interesting. find address/phone in cli, it looks like? |
| 00:38.07 | repp_ | Miesco: actually, don't do that. |
| 00:38.11 | enveezee | markybob: yep |
| 00:38.12 | staniel | EdibleText: thing is i've had this for a while so its unlikely |
| 00:38.13 | Miesco | repp_: shut up |
| 00:38.15 | markybob | repp_, ouch :) |
| 00:38.17 | antgel | Miesco: DON'T |
| 00:38.28 | Miesco | repp_: My screen is fuzzy, is that normal? |
| 00:38.29 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: then umount /dev/hdb6 and then mount -a ... it should work, and the suse hd should be mounted every time you boot the system from now on |
| 00:38.30 | antgel | repp_: not in here please |
| 00:38.30 | markybob | enveezee, nice idea. looks very nicely written. |
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| 00:38.33 | staniel | its worked on fedora and windows |
| 00:38.34 | repp_ | Miesco: clean it |
| 00:38.38 | TiMiDo | Miesco not really |
| 00:38.42 | sanoj | enveezee: Ahh - it is _bash_ :-) |
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| 00:38.56 | enveezee | markybob: the 2nd one is incomplete, but was an aim to make it a feature rich program.. I was going to port it to python later. but the first one did what I needed so I stopped development until the need for such a thing arises again |
| 00:39.03 | repp_ | antgel: He won't do it anyway |
| 00:39.23 | Miesco | repp_: Was I doing the right thing? causer I stoped it with CTRL+C |
| 00:39.24 | antgel | repp_: not the point. /ig him like i did if you have to |
| 00:39.34 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: of course, you don't have to reboot now |
| 00:39.38 | EdibleText | staniel, ok.. but wouldnt hurt. if its bad it will let you know rather quickly |
| 00:39.41 | sanoj | enveezee: I thought you'd done _applications_ in small lines of code. Bash is _scripting :-P |
| 00:39.45 | repp_ | Miesco: In all seriousness, do "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686" |
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| 00:39.48 | repp_ | Miesco: ok? |
| 00:39.56 | enveezee | markybob: I think I am a damn good coder I just dont have much knowlage to work with. I need a good mentor and some tutoring and I could make a hell of a programmer |
| 00:40.00 | pbryan | Uh, kernel-image-2.6.-686?? |
| 00:40.04 | pbryan | Really? |
| 00:40.07 | repp_ | yeah |
| 00:40.10 | pbryan | Not linux-image-2.6-686? |
| 00:40.12 | antgel | enveezee: you need a modesty mentor |
| 00:40.22 | sanoj | enveezee: I do Debian packaging. I can do a package in about 4 lines of scripting code! |
| 00:40.25 | enveezee | sanoj: never compile that which can easily be interpreted |
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| 00:40.30 | markybob | enveezee, why not take some night classes ? |
| 00:40.30 | Nazcafan | hi everyone |
| 00:40.33 | TiMiDo | enveezee www.debian/devel |
| 00:40.43 | Nazcafan | iam having problems using synaptic |
| 00:40.43 | enveezee | markybob: I dunno maybe I should |
| 00:40.46 | TiMiDo | bla www.debian.org/devel |
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| 00:40.56 | sanoj | enveezee: I agree - I just find it cheating: The topic was compiled code |
| 00:41.03 | markybob | Miesco, are you being serious? did you really cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda ? |
| 00:41.08 | Nazcafan | It keeps telling me that some packages are not authentified |
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| 00:41.19 | antgel | !topicsmite Nazcafan |
| 00:41.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Nazcafan. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:41.21 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: the other method is to attach yourself to an established project that has a reputation for producing reasonable code, and helping out. |
| 00:41.29 | Miesco | markybob: Yea, my spakers are fuzzy |
| 00:41.42 | Miesco | markybob: I DIDN"T DO URANDOM |
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| 00:41.54 | Miesco | markybob: I did /dev/audio |
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| 00:42.04 | markybob | oh, right. my bad. |
| 00:42.05 | markybob | oh loard |
| 00:42.08 | EdibleText | heh |
| 00:42.11 | repp_ | rofl |
| 00:42.12 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: IMO, a bit of time there with time spent reading Knuth, and you can become a decent programmer. |
| 00:42.15 | repp_ | great troll |
| 00:42.15 | pbryan | I just upgraded one of my servers to Linux 2.2 from 2.0. |
| 00:42.26 | TiMiDo | man this freaking fonts are huge i should do apt-get remove xfonts-100dpi freaking annoyingh |
| 00:42.27 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: yeah but my programming skills were developed on an Apple IIC using prodos to do BASIC or ASM, then I spent most of my actual growing years in basica/gwbasic/qbasic.. so I dont have any real knowlage of a useful language or modern programming habbits |
| 00:42.35 | Miesco | markybob: It said you dont have permission, so I did sudo cat /dev/audio > /dev/hda1 |
| 00:42.40 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: what's Knuth? |
| 00:42.44 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: oh dear. |
| 00:42.51 | pbryan | Does anyone know how to get ALSA working on Linux 2.2? |
| 00:42.51 | l3m | lol |
| 00:42.52 | thingfish | or habits even. |
| 00:43.01 | antgel | enveezee: you called yourself a damn good coder and are now looking a bit silly |
| 00:43.03 | Miesco | Will that load my CD writer module? |
| 00:43.04 | l3m | pbryan: why would you want to use linux 2.2? |
| 00:43.05 | EdibleText | !knuth |
| 00:43.05 | dpkg | well, knuth is the guru of theoretical computer science or the father of TAOCP or the author of TeX, or a mathematical genius, talented hacker, decent musician, computer scientist, emacs user and opposed to software patents. at http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~knuth/ |
| 00:43.08 | sanoj | pbryan: :-) |
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| 00:43.15 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/ |
| 00:43.18 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: I'd like to be working on the kernel. I just cant program C very well I dont want to be fucking things up that other people have to fix :P |
| 00:43.24 | pbryan | l3m: What's wrong with Linux Classic(R)? |
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| 00:43.32 | Miesco | Okay I got 2.6 in 4,3,1 now |
| 00:43.44 | Miesco | asdfj;asdolf |
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| 00:43.48 | pbryan | Miesco: There's 2.6 version? |
| 00:43.51 | l3m | pbryan: well e.g. alsa is not included |
| 00:43.55 | sanoj | enveezee: Then try to reinvent the kernel in bash :-P |
| 00:43.56 | enveezee | antgel: I mean I have the mind of a damn good coder. I am very good with math and I am highly analytical |
| 00:43.58 | Miesco | uname -r: 2.4 |
| 00:44.04 | enveezee | sanoj: hah |
| 00:44.05 | pbryan | Miesco: Reboot. |
| 00:44.06 | antgel | jesus |
| 00:44.08 | Miesco | pbryan: Yea its pretty good |
| 00:44.08 | markybob | i cant believe this guy's being serious |
| 00:44.09 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: do you know where kmail holds it emails and settings |
| 00:44.16 | Miesco | pbryan: NOdf;opasidfha;sdfNOOOOOOOOO, okay |
| 00:44.26 | enveezee | sanoj: I can program python and C I just am not real fluent yet |
| 00:44.30 | Miesco | pbryan: Reboot and my cdwriter will work? |
| 00:44.30 | pbryan | uname -r: 2.2.1-ac |
| 00:44.33 | Tortel | Miesco, whas with your typing? |
| 00:44.35 | fbi | why the hell do you keep typing like that? |
| 00:44.40 | pbryan | Miesco: Yup, it will just work. |
| 00:44.43 | antgel | markybob: he is like rms, torvalds, and jeff minter rolled into one cock package |
| 00:44.44 | fbi | pbryan: you're running woody? |
| 00:44.47 | Miesco | Okay |
| 00:44.50 | Miesco | THANKS BRB |
| 00:44.51 | pbryan | fbi: I was kidding. |
| 00:44.52 | l3m | Pitchin_uk: by default $HOME/Mail for the mails and the settings are somewhere in $HOME/.kde/... |
| 00:45.01 | fbi | pbryan: oh. in that case, haha. |
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| 00:45.09 | pbryan | I could keep pulling your leg and tell you I'm running Buzz. |
| 00:45.10 | sandman | Is there a way to have gdm setart within a VNC session? |
| 00:45.14 | antgel | fbi: he's really running 1.3 |
| 00:45.20 | fbi | hah! |
| 00:45.21 | Miesco | I got to restart anyways, that dev/audio> hda1 thing is really making my compuiter do funny stuff |
| 00:45.25 | sanoj | enveezee: If you need a task then have a look at the Python-based wiki MoinMoin. I need a plugin written... |
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| 00:45.47 | fbi | pbryan: users on woody isn't that far-fetched...i was running woody on an old machine up until about three days ago. |
| 00:45.49 | markybob | sandman, sure. open up a xterm within vnc and /etc/init.d/gdm restart ...make sure you have gdm.conf auto login a user before you do that, though |
| 00:46.00 | pbryan | repp: http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000990067240/ |
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| 00:46.15 | l3m | ok, i'm off to bed... nite guys |
| 00:46.25 | enveezee | sanoj: heh. I need to take a strong personal interest to be motivated to code. |
| 00:46.26 | pbryan | fbi: My woody was too painful to run so I upgraded to sarge. |
| 00:46.27 | Tortel | nn |
| 00:46.34 | sanoj | enveezee: I maintain MoinMoin for Debian. I need a macro plugin to use Dict resources for other stuff than Groups. |
| 00:46.47 | antgel | pbryan: was that pun intended? |
| 00:46.52 | pbryan | antgel: sorta... |
| 00:47.00 | sanoj | enveezee: What would it take to get you interested? (forget money) |
| 00:47.06 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: there is no $home/mail |
| 00:47.11 | antgel | pbryan: pretty good. if i wasn't so tired i'd be laughing fo sho |
| 00:47.18 | Tortel | $home/.mail |
| 00:47.34 | markybob | pbryan, listening to you is better than listening to miesco |
| 00:47.38 | pbryan | lol |
| 00:47.47 | enveezee | sanoj: I thew that script together because it was for the judge, and when I am in court someday I want him to remember that I was the guy who saved him 72+ manhours with a program that pulled his voters phone numbers in less than 6 hours |
| 00:47.51 | enveezee | automatically |
| 00:47.58 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 00:48.00 | pbryan | markybob: I recommend we tell him to dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda next. |
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| 00:48.05 | repp_ | haha |
| 00:48.14 | l3m_zzzZZzzz | Pitchin_uk: usually its Mail ( big-case M ) .. i'm going to sleep now, i'm sure other people can help you or ...dare i speak it...google ;) |
| 00:48.14 | repp_ | I wanted his screams recorded forever |
| 00:48.17 | markybob | pbryan, i could back that up |
| 00:48.36 | repp_ | too bad his CD burner isn't working |
| 00:48.41 | sanoj | enveezee: What is your point? That you only want to work for judges? |
| 00:48.45 | pbryan | Yeah... You need to send random data to your drive controller, to get the CD burner driver primed. |
| 00:48.45 | markybob | thank God we're not doctors. "do no harm" |
| 00:48.45 | enveezee | sanoj: and he later donated his fair share of hardware to my cause |
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| 00:49.01 | sanoj | enveezee: What is your cause? |
| 00:49.08 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: ok cheers for all the help |
| 00:49.10 | enveezee | sanoj: I only work out of personal interest, under no circumstance can I be bought, pursueded or such |
| 00:49.15 | markybob | free beer for all. that's my cause |
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| 00:49.21 | pbryan | Why does my bootloader keep getting corrupted? |
| 00:49.25 | enveezee | sanoj: well right now my cause is just using free pcs |
| 00:49.37 | enveezee | sanoj: but I am planning on pulling together a LUG |
| 00:50.00 | repp_ | hmm that's funny, I can't ping his IP address |
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| 00:50.08 | sanoj | enveezee: Personal, ok. But what is relevant - personally - to you? |
| 00:50.12 | enveezee | sanoj: possibly some other organizations of political interest like an action comitte and perhaps a citizen review comittee or board |
| 00:50.27 | pbryan | Everytime I do: "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda count=1 bs=1024", I can't boot my computer. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong/ |
| 00:50.33 | markybob | repp_ . yeah. looks like shawn wallis is gone |
| 00:50.49 | markybob | i cant believe it, but it looks like the fool actually did the /dev/audio > /dev/hda thing |
| 00:50.54 | afabian | pbryan, overwriting your master boot record. |
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| 00:51.02 | EdibleText | thats not good |
| 00:51.13 | antgel | repp_: if he did that, you were bang out of order |
| 00:51.15 | markybob | holy shit. i thought he was kidding |
| 00:51.15 | pbryan | afabian: I shouldn't overwrite my master boot record? |
| 00:51.17 | fbi | afabian: he's bullshitting. i wouldn't waste your time entertaining it. |
| 00:51.21 | repp_ | darn, I was convinced for sure that he was ignoring all my advice |
| 00:51.27 | markybob | rofl |
| 00:51.43 | pbryan | repp_: You think he actually wrote sound to his drive? |
| 00:51.52 | repp_ | only if he has a microphone :) |
| 00:51.56 | markybob | pbryan, well, i cant ping his ip, either. |
| 00:52.03 | pbryan | No, thermal noise, dude. |
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| 00:52.08 | repp_ | hmm |
| 00:52.10 | markybob | pbryan, he should be back by now. |
| 00:52.13 | enveezee | sanoj: my current interests as I said earlier are in the kernel. I plan to move toward embedded systems design, manufacturing and marketing some day.. so I watch the kernel closely. I really havent felt motivated to work on any application other than maybe my favorite wm that badly needs rewrittten and I am not quite ready for all that. I have yet to even read and understand the freedesktop standards which it needs to be rewritten to compl |
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| 00:52.26 | pbryan | Was it wrong of me to DDoS Miesco's router? |
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| 00:52.40 | Enervatia | ^_^ :D |
| 00:52.44 | Enervatia | BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:52.48 | dondelelcaro | folks, giving advice that you know to be harmfull to people is a bannable, and often k-lineable offense. Please don't do it. |
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| 00:52.55 | afabian | pbryan, it's good for your computer to overwrite your master boot record now and again. But you're wearing your computer out too quickly, because you actually only need to overwrite the first 512 bytes. Also, you're overusing the processor with random number generation. A string of 0's (/dev/zero) is much easier on the computer. |
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| 00:53.07 | thingfish | now *that* is pre-emptive action at its best. |
| 00:53.09 | repp_ | afabian: rofl |
| 00:53.09 | pbryan | adabian: rofl! |
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| 00:53.13 | tvn | is there a howto on how to setup MoinMoin on Debian ? I found the included readme file a bit difficult to understand |
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| 00:53.39 | pbryan | afabian: So, I need to cut down on random number generation? |
| 00:53.56 | markybob | wow. even though i didnt do it, i feel pretty guilty here |
| 00:54.00 | pbryan | afabian: If I use only zero-bits, won't the one-bits add up? |
| 00:54.05 | sanoj | tvn: Hmm. Sounds like me you are addressing - I am the maintainer of moinMoin :-P |
| 00:54.35 | sanoj | tvn: What's wrong with README.Debian? |
| 00:54.42 | pbryan | Okay, I think I'll avoid getting perma-banned by stopping this nonsense. |
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| 00:54.49 | meinert- | Hello, somebody knows, which Debian-Package (etch) contains 'xf86Version.h' ? On other distributions you find it in xorg-x11-sdk-6.8.2*.rpm etc. |
| 00:54.59 | sanoj | ...especially the somewhat improved one in sid, compared to sarge? |
| 00:55.14 | thingfish | perma-banned? that's, like, a hair style, isn't it? |
| 00:55.15 | pbryan | So, did Miesco really probably corrupt his root? |
| 00:55.23 | markybob | yeah, looks like it |
| 00:55.31 | enveezee | I highly doubt XFree Files are found in an xorg package, but I suppose anything is possible |
| 00:55.33 | pbryan | That would be sad after we actually show him how to upgrade his kernel. |
| 00:55.40 | sanoj | meinert-: Go search at http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 00:55.42 | pbryan | He'll conclude the kernel upgraded corrupted everything. |
| 00:55.43 | fbi | thingfish: i rock the perma-fro. |
| 00:55.45 | markybob | his ip was 69.158.99.172. still nothing |
| 00:55.45 | pbryan | That's not nice. |
| 00:55.51 | repp_ | damn, i feel kinda bad about it |
| 00:55.57 | thingfish | fbi: you be the *man*. |
| 00:56.00 | pbryan | So, Miesco was running without a router then? |
| 00:56.20 | pbryan | That's not so nice. |
| 00:56.25 | repp_ | although he struck me as the kind of guy that would back up his important data regularly |
| 00:56.36 | markybob | repp_ i hear ya, me too. i really didnt think he'd do it. i thought everyone knew it was a joke, including him |
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| 00:56.45 | tvn | sanoj: I attempted to installed it couple months ago but failed ... I thought it would be helpful to have some howto's about it in more details, basically moinmoin + apache2 |
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| 00:57.03 | repp_ | i was convinced he was ignoring everything i was telling him :/ |
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| 00:57.28 | sanoj | tvn: 1) Grab the MoinMoin packages for sid |
| 00:57.40 | markybob | poor guy. a moment of silence. |
| 00:57.44 | markybob | nah ;) |
| 00:57.47 | pbryan | Okay, here's a serious question. dpkg tells me nothing about the schedule for GNOME 2.12 on Debian. Anyplace I should look? |
| 00:57.51 | EdibleText | < Miesco> markybob: It said you dont have permission, so I did sudo cat |
| 00:57.53 | sanoj | tvn: 2) Follow README.Debian closely (yes, even if they are for the old, boring apache 1.3!) |
| 00:57.53 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.58 | EdibleText | he did it |
| 00:58.04 | pbryan | Wow. That's sad. |
| 00:58.07 | markybob | yeah |
| 00:58.17 | repp_ | but |
| 00:58.31 | markybob | pbryan, talking about in sid? |
| 00:58.32 | sanoj | tvn: 3) Go to http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ and in the help pages find the install help for apache2 |
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| 00:58.42 | tvn | sanoj: why the Sid's one ? Sarge's one has problem ? |
| 00:58.44 | pbryan | markybob: Yeah. |
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| 00:59.00 | sanoj | tvn: ...or do 3) on your own running apache 1.3 wiki |
| 00:59.04 | pbryan | I did find: http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-09-13-19-26... |
| 00:59.16 | pbryan | Is this the authoritative source on the subject for now? |
| 00:59.17 | markybob | pbryan, last i heard most of the packages were in experimental, so i dont think you have too much longer. i dont know, though. |
| 00:59.28 | rage_ | anyone know how to set the baud rate for a port using cypress_m8 (usb to serial adapter driver) |
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| 00:59.35 | sanoj | tvn: ...or fumble around in the raw text files below /usr/share/moin/underlay (I think is the location) |
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| 00:59.39 | repp_ | Miesco: you're back |
| 00:59.40 | Miesco | K I have 2.6 |
| 00:59.48 | markybob | wow |
| 00:59.48 | pbryan | Miesco: Excellent. |
| 00:59.57 | repp_ | I was right. |
| 00:59.57 | pbryan | Miesco: Welcome to a larger, more modern world. |
| 00:59.58 | killer | ¶Ô debhelper ˵: how to install debian? |
| 01:00.04 | repp_ | He really was ignoring everything I was saying |
| 01:00.16 | markybob | repp_ you can sleep well tonight now :D |
| 01:00.16 | sanoj | tvn: README.Debian does only contain what is not documented upstream: What is specific to Debian |
| 01:00.18 | repp_ | yeah |
| 01:00.19 | EdibleText | heh and people are glad to see him :) |
| 01:00.23 | pbryan | markybob: Thanks. |
| 01:00.32 | Miesco | pbryan: Really? I thought everyone used 2.4 |
| 01:00.40 | Miesco | as;odfsjad |
| 01:00.47 | Miesco | k3b REGOGNIZEd IT |
| 01:00.48 | pbryan | Miesco: Only l4m3r5 use 2.4. |
| 01:00.51 | Miesco | its like PLUG AND PLAY |
| 01:00.51 | repp_ | Miesco: presto |
| 01:00.52 | sanoj | tvn: A general manual for everything MoinMoin on a Debian machine is not a task I am interested in taking on. |
| 01:01.00 | Natman | does anyone know why "debootstrap sarge ..." installs testing instead of stable? |
| 01:01.12 | Miesco | My life is changed |
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| 01:01.26 | markybob | Miesco, should've upgraded the first time we told you to, then. would've saved you an hour |
| 01:01.33 | markybob | heh |
| 01:01.38 | pbryan | Miesco: Does your CD burner work? |
| 01:01.40 | Miesco | pbryan: Will I have to reinstall NVidia drivers with 2.6? |
| 01:01.45 | sanoj | Natman: Possibly because the archive you use has short-circuited the different archives |
| 01:01.45 | pbryan | Miesco: Yes. |
| 01:01.48 | Miesco | pbryan: About to find out |
| 01:02.02 | Miesco | SHould I get 2.6 for all my computers? |
| 01:02.13 | markybob | what? hold on. how did his X load up if he was using nvidia drivers instead of nv? |
| 01:02.14 | pbryan | Miesco: Yes, unless you have very exotic SATA hardware. |
| 01:02.15 | sanoj | Natman: Try use an official mirror |
| 01:02.23 | thingfish | killer: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 01:02.27 | sanoj | Natman: And try using cdebootstrap instead |
| 01:02.35 | Natman | sanoj: hmm... I tried with ftp.us.debian.org... same problem. The debootstrap is okay, but running base-config after insists on upgrading to testing. |
| 01:02.36 | pbryan | markybob: It will default to non-accelerated mode. |
| 01:02.47 | Miesco | Its burning |
| 01:02.57 | pbryan | Miesco: Where's your fire extinguisher??!? |
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| 01:03.17 | sanoj | Natman: ...with a virgin config? |
| 01:03.18 | Miesco | pbryan: Okay, so at startup I can either go to 2.4 or 2.6a/ |
| 01:03.28 | Miesco | 2.6?* |
| 01:03.34 | pbryan | Miesco: Yes, until you remove 2.4, which you should. |
| 01:03.48 | Miesco | pbryan: Should I uninstall 2.4? |
| 01:03.54 | pbryan | Miesco: If 2.6 works for you over about a week without issues, it should be safe to uninstall 2.4. |
| 01:03.55 | markybob | that's what he just said |
| 01:04.04 | pbryan | I always keep two working kernels around just in case things go awry. |
| 01:04.04 | Miesco | pbryan: K |
| 01:04.06 | Natman | sanoj: virgin? I did deboot into a clean partition, chroot into it, then "base-config new". Orig system is sarge too. |
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| 01:04.12 | pbryan | Mind you, they are both 2.6 kernels... |
| 01:04.38 | Miesco | Yay, my CD is burning, the ISO to debian so I can put it on more computers, thanks for your help |
| 01:04.38 | litage | sanoj: 2.6.14-1-686-smp worked with the yaird backport and recognized the sata and ethernet controllers |
| 01:04.54 | pbryan | Miesco: My pleasure, and others' pain, I presume. |
| 01:04.57 | repp_ | haha |
| 01:04.59 | sanoj | Natman: I mean - on the host system, did you mess around a lot with the debootstrap config file or not? |
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| 01:05.19 | Natman | sanoj: nope, just apt-got it, and used it. |
| 01:05.41 | pbryan | dpkg: Miesco |
| 01:05.41 | dpkg | well, miesco is not good at listening. |
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| 01:05.47 | thingfish | sorry about earlier, enveezee. I shouldn't have reacted so strongly, I suppose. |
| 01:05.51 | repp_ | rofl! |
| 01:06.23 | markybob | that's good stuff |
| 01:06.29 | repp_ | dpkg: thank goodness! |
| 01:06.40 | thingfish | dpkg sure is a good kid... |
| 01:06.40 | dpkg | ...but sure is already something else... |
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| 01:06.48 | markybob | wow. i'm surprised dpkg still has 'markybob' on there from 6 years ago. |
| 01:06.49 | thingfish | oh you. |
| 01:06.50 | pbryan | lol |
| 01:07.00 | TiMiDo | dpkg: bla |
| 01:07.01 | dpkg | foo |
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| 01:07.23 | antgel | litage: quelle surprise |
| 01:07.24 | repp_ | dpkg: moo |
| 01:07.25 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:07.29 | andre_m | how can i find out if my 2nd nic works? |
| 01:07.36 | pbryan | dpkg sure is a good kid |
| 01:07.36 | dpkg | pbryan: i already had it that way |
| 01:07.41 | andre_m | (just switched out mobo, cpu and ram..) |
| 01:07.42 | TiMiDo | andre_m lspci |
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| 01:07.46 | dvs | andre_m: ifconfig |
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| 01:07.52 | thingfish | andre_m: define it in /etc/interfaces and restart networking. |
| 01:07.56 | Tortel | how can I remove the UT2003 demo? |
| 01:07.56 | andre_m | dvs: it's in ifconfig |
| 01:08.08 | andre_m | thingfish: it's defined in interfaces |
| 01:08.18 | pbryan | Totel: Was it a legal demo? |
| 01:08.23 | NOthsouth | Hello, My mic do not work in debian sarge !!.. my sound card is CM8738. .. I never could use mi mic! any help? |
| 01:08.24 | Tortel | Yep |
| 01:08.31 | pbryan | Totel: Where did you install it? |
| 01:08.33 | andre_m | TiMiDo: and in lspci, thx |
| 01:08.44 | Tortel | i ran the install as root, checking /root/ now |
| 01:08.45 | markybob | NOthsouth, yeah, uh, well, the explamation marks wont really help you out much |
| 01:08.53 | thingfish | oops, /etc/network/interfaces I mean. |
| 01:09.16 | thingfish | booze and chat just do *not* get along. |
| 01:09.47 | thingfish | couple that with my ignorance, and it's lethal/ |
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| 01:09.58 | thingfish | but I mean well. |
| 01:10.08 | NOthsouth | markybob, there is any problem like this ? |
| 01:10.08 | Tortel | found it |
| 01:10.10 | andre_m | the nix is there, the switch sais i'm on, but i can't ping across my network :/ |
| 01:10.42 | markybob | NOthsouth, i think people in debian-pr will be able to better communicate with you and help |
| 01:10.52 | repp_ | andre_m: 1) reboot your switch. |
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| 01:12.52 | andre_m | repp_: my switch is a little hub, not a machine |
| 01:12.56 | dabreegster | Hey. I think my apt DB is messed up somehow. Everytime I use apt-get or aptitude to try and install a new package, broken packages emerge. For some reason, it tries to install lsb-base and remove initrd-tools and my kernel image. It also wants to upgrade a bunch of packages. I'm on testing. |
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| 01:13.53 | repp_ | andre_m: if it is a switch at all, then just unplug it and plug it back in. switches can be hub-sized. |
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| 01:14.25 | Amarande | Specifically ... well, the comment included some Microsoft-bashing, so I won't quote the whole thing. |
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| 01:14.36 | Amarande | But, the basic gist of the comment was that actually having a clue is very often a very socially isolating thing. |
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| 01:14.42 | Amarande | And unfortunately, this is far too true :/ |
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| 01:15.20 | repp_ | Amarande: Having a clue should also include having a clue about not isolating yourself |
| 01:15.25 | andre_m | repp_: didn't work |
| 01:15.27 | andre_m | PING 192.168.0.4 (192.168.0.4) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 01:15.30 | andre_m | From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 01:15.31 | Amarande | Sometimes, especially in more social circles on IRC, people knowing you have a clue seems to be like having a brand on your forehead. |
| 01:15.48 | Amarande | repp_: the trouble happens when people glaze over and think of you as something of a nerd because you know the internal workings of computers |
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| 01:16.00 | markybob | Amarande, uh? |
| 01:16.04 | markybob | that...wow |
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| 01:16.26 | cusco | hi! I have a fat32 partition |
| 01:16.26 | repp_ | Amarande: well, yeah. Don't cause people's eyes to glaze over. You have two choices; either avoid the subject matter around people that don't know or care, or find friends that do. |
| 01:16.31 | paolob | Hi guys! Anyone could tell me why a dist-upgrade in testing is removing hotplug? Ho do I keep it? |
| 01:16.32 | cusco | mounted on fstab as: /dev/hda5 /media/storage vfat iocharset=utf8,umask=0222 0 0 |
| 01:16.49 | Amarande | also, it is isolating in that when you want to help someone with their computer, often they don't know what you are trying to tell them unless you explain it in such nano terms that, when you are used to talking with fellow clue possessors, can feel like pulling teeth |
| 01:16.59 | cheal | paolob: most likely because current udev conflicts with hotplug |
| 01:17.05 | cusco | but Im having troubles creating files there |
| 01:17.06 | cusco | 01:12 DCC can't create file /media/storage/irc/MyTh-Dava_tudo_para_te_ter.mp3: Permission denied |
| 01:17.22 | repp_ | Amarande: The best advice in that case is to provide them with the number of a call centre that can help. |
| 01:17.30 | Amarande | It also forces me to ask for money for Christmas, rather than gifts, because if people tried to buy me computer hardware, it would be like that Simpsons episode where Homer insisted on helping Bart put the bike together. Heh. |
| 01:17.32 | paolob | cheal: what could I do in order to keep it' |
| 01:17.32 | dabreegster | Is there any simple way to 'reset' the apt DB as far as which packages are to be upgraded/removed? |
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| 01:18.21 | repp_ | Amarande: Ah, then you accept the gifts but do not open them from their packaging. Then either donate the gifts to charity, return the gifts, or give the gift to someone that might be able to use it as a birthday present. |
| 01:18.21 | cheal | paolob: not upgrading udev, probably |
| 01:18.22 | tuv | i installed jde (java devel. env. for emacs) but when running emacs it says "The wrong version of Semantic is installed, please install 1.4beta13". (debian/testing) |
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| 01:18.53 | tuv | what could be wrong? |
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| 01:19.16 | server_newbie | I have knock setup and running conf file running and log file shows knocks work. My question is I don't have firewall so I guess port wasn't locked down in the first place. How do I do this I installed iptables but took no others steps. |
| 01:19.56 | repp_ | Amarande: and then follow it up by hinting that you could really use some new clothes to the people that might be tempted to give you computer stuff |
| 01:20.07 | cheal | dabreegster: does # apt-get -f install; dpkg --configure -a; help? |
| 01:20.20 | markybob | server_newbie, install a firewall helping script or program...like gShield. google it |
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| 01:20.27 | Amarande | repp_: pressuring them to buy the complete Star Trek: TNG DVD set comes to mind. :> |
| 01:20.33 | dabreegster | cheal: I'll try |
| 01:21.03 | repp_ | Amarande: Only the very lucky receive that for xmas. From their wife. |
| 01:21.09 | imaek | When I try and install Debian, everything works up until the Select Language menu, where it seems to be freezing, or at least not accepting Keyboard input. I have installed Ubuntu on the same machine before, and never had any problems. What could be the problem? |
| 01:21.19 | Amarande | heh, I still need to find one of those. |
| 01:21.19 | dabreegster | cheal: Ran both, same problem remains. |
| 01:21.22 | Amarande | A wife, that is. :> |
| 01:21.40 | repp_ | Amarande: the return strategy might work better in the short-run ;) |
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| 01:21.58 | cheal | dabreegster: can you give an example? # apt-get install; would want to install stuff? |
| 01:22.00 | eyeris | I've been tracking "testing" since I setup my server. Since the sarge release, things have been shaken up quite a bit (e.g. mysql 4.0 to 4.1). I'd like to begin tracking sarge to achieve some stability. Is this possible? Is it foolish? |
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| 01:22.14 | cheal | !downgrade |
| 01:22.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 01:22.22 | repp_ | imaek: does your keyboard work before the install menu? |
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| 01:22.36 | imaek | Yes, when I have to hit enter to continue, it does work |
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| 01:22.44 | dabreegster | cheal: It'd want to install e2fslibs e2fsprogs initscripts libc6 libc6-dev libsphinx2g0 locales lsb-base (I was trying to install sphinx, that's normal), |
| 01:22.56 | dabreegster | cheal: And remove initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 01:23.08 | dabreegster | cheal: And upgrade e2fslibs e2fsprogs initscripts libc6 libc6-dev locales |
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| 01:23.13 | cheal | dabreegster: just with a literal # apt-get install; |
| 01:23.37 | dabreegster | cheal: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1076 not upgraded. |
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| 01:23.40 | repp_ | imaek: hmm |
| 01:23.50 | imaek | repp_: I have tried to install it before, but the guy I talked to just said get a PS/2 keyboard, which I have, and that did not work either. Also, when I started Ubuntu back up with it plugged in, it didn't work, but it works on other computers. |
| 01:23.56 | cheal | ok I guess what I said is useless then |
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| 01:24.15 | dabreegster | cheal: Thanks anyway |
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| 01:24.35 | dabreegster | Any clue why it keeps trying to remove my kernel? |
| 01:24.43 | shad0wcat | Amarande: you need apt-get install life |
| 01:24.47 | cheal | dabreegster: did you already let apt proceed? |
| 01:24.52 | cheal | dabreegster: oh |
| 01:24.59 | shad0wcat | what's dabreegster doing |
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| 01:25.00 | Amarande | shad0wcat: I think that actually installs something, doesn't it :> |
| 01:25.02 | shad0wcat | dist-upgrading? |
| 01:25.04 | repp_ | imaek: Well, I can only suspect you have a case where the debian installer will not work for you, perhaps due to a strange hardware incompatibility. Sorry... |
| 01:25.08 | cheal | dabreegster: that's an old kernel though |
| 01:25.10 | dabreegster | shad0wcat: Trying to fix my apt DB |
| 01:25.15 | nebular | what does "root device is (3,2) mean when compiling a custom kernel |
| 01:25.18 | repp_ | imaek: If you want to keep chasing it down, then see if "alt-F2" will work |
| 01:25.20 | shad0wcat | dabreegster: how did you break it? |
| 01:25.25 | shad0wcat | nebular: if you don't know |
| 01:25.30 | shad0wcat | you shouldn't be compiling in the first place |
| 01:25.31 | imaek | Ok |
| 01:25.37 | thingfish | Amarande: the deps are a killer: build-body, work-out, have-cash... |
| 01:25.39 | dabreegster | shad0wcat: Not sure, but now it keeps trying to remove my kernel and initrd-tools. |
| 01:25.40 | imaek | I will try again, and rejoin on a different computer |
| 01:25.41 | imaek | brb |
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| 01:27.07 | cheal | dabreegster: you could start by upgrading your kernel |
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| 01:27.16 | eyeris | !mysql |
| 01:27.16 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
| 01:27.19 | nebular | shad0wcat: thank you, you are so very helpful. I mean the idea of directing me to a place where I can find said information is really out of the question |
| 01:27.40 | Eu_Fabiano | anyone here can help me ? |
| 01:27.43 | eyeris | !mysql gotchas |
| 01:27.43 | dpkg | mysql gotchas is probably http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html |
| 01:27.50 | repp_ | Amarande: By the time you get to my age, then "apt-get install xlife" is the appropriate command |
| 01:27.51 | shad0wcat | nebular: info grub |
| 01:27.51 | cheal | !tell eyeris about msg the bot |
| 01:27.57 | shad0wcat | knock yourself out |
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| 01:28.03 | markybob | Eu_Fabiano, kinda hard to say since we dont know what your problem is. just ask |
| 01:28.05 | thingfish | Eu_Fabiano: we don't know until you ask your question. |
| 01:28.06 | dabreegster | cheal: I'm trying to do that now, but I think I have to update the package list, because I don't see 2.6.8-11 kernels for my arch (k6), let alone x86. |
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| 01:28.20 | imaek | Hmm |
| 01:28.29 | repp_ | imaek: ? |
| 01:28.31 | thingfish | Eu_Fabiano: in case you need help in portugues, try #debian-br |
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| 01:28.37 | imaek | Alt+F2 does nothing |
| 01:28.43 | cheal | dabreegster: there aren't literally k6 kernels. |
| 01:28.52 | cheal | dabreegster: you want 2.6.8-2 |
| 01:28.52 | repp_ | Eu_Fabiano: regis.central.sun.com:7070/servlet/CHANGE-REGIS-PASSWORD-SERVLET |
| 01:28.56 | shad0wcat | cheal: you could always make a k6 kernel |
| 01:28.59 | shad0wcat | not sure what good that'd do you |
| 01:29.06 | repp_ | Eu_Fabiano: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 01:29.08 | cheal | shad0wcat: I know |
| 01:29.08 | dabreegster | cheal: OK |
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| 01:29.22 | cheal | shad0wcat: not much good compared to a stock kernel |
| 01:29.25 | repp_ | Eu_Fabiano: (ignore the first link I sent you, it won't work) |
| 01:29.36 | shad0wcat | cheal: I mostly compile kernels to speed up the machine |
| 01:29.46 | fevel | is there a debian package for mounting flash drives and webcams?? |
| 01:29.56 | shad0wcat | I usually recompile debian base+X+KDE+OpenOffice.org |
| 01:29.56 | nebular | shad0wcat: ok got that. what isn't clear for me right now is that piece of info hard coded into the kernel now, or it it just outputting info. this is the first time I'm compiling a kernel for another box. I didn't want to wait the hours to compile on my p200 |
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| 01:30.08 | dabreegster | cheal: The 386 arch should be fine for an AMD-K6 processor, right? |
| 01:30.16 | imaek | repp_: Alt+F2 does nothing at all on USB keyboard, ought I try the PS/2 keyboard? |
| 01:30.17 | cheal | shad0wcat: allright |
| 01:30.18 | Eu_Fabiano | I was instaling the newest debian... booting... then the instalation stop at 92%... showing a text loading about scsi... ant stay stoped... |
| 01:30.19 | shad0wcat | nebular: you could put it into the kernel, if you're a complete moron |
| 01:30.20 | cheal | dabreegster: yes |
| 01:30.28 | shad0wcat | nebular: if you get the picture |
| 01:30.29 | markybob | fevel, calm down there, johnny black. you shouldnt need anything for flash drives or webcams to work. |
| 01:30.30 | DanielCar | I hope this isn't too tiring of a subject: I installed sid on a new computer, sound does not work, were is a good place to go to help me troubleshoot? Intel 945gcz motherboard. I tried the simple stuff like alsaconf. |
| 01:30.30 | dabreegster | cheal: OK, just checking. Thanks. |
| 01:30.34 | repp_ | imaek: sure, try everything until you run out of ideas |
| 01:30.41 | imaek | Ok |
| 01:30.46 | imaek | Well, that is my only idea :( |
| 01:30.54 | markybob | DanielCar, are you in group audio? |
| 01:30.59 | NOthsouth | my mic do not work |
| 01:30.59 | DanielCar | yes |
| 01:31.05 | NOthsouth | what I need to do ! hahahaha |
| 01:31.07 | shad0wcat | cheal: don't go compile mania when you're running unstable though |
| 01:31.12 | shad0wcat | or you'll never get any work done |
| 01:31.19 | shad0wcat | recompiling X every week |
| 01:31.21 | markybob | DanielCar, modprobe snd-pcm-oss and then can you cat /dev/dsp ? |
| 01:31.23 | shad0wcat | that'd be one hell of a job |
| 01:31.24 | Eu_Fabiano | I was instaling the newest debian... booting... then the instalation stop at 92%... showing a text loading about scsi... ant stay stoped... |
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| 01:31.31 | shad0wcat | !tell Eu_Fabiano about repeat |
| 01:31.40 | cheal | shad0wcat: it's OK, I'm aware of this |
| 01:31.49 | DanielCar | hangs |
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| 01:32.00 | DanielCar | cat: /dev/dsp: Input/output error |
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| 01:32.21 | repp_ | imaek: Other ideas are to enter key words that describe your hardware, plus "debian install" into google. |
| 01:32.23 | shad0wcat | nebular: you could install distcc on that old box of yours |
| 01:32.26 | shad0wcat | and compile that way |
| 01:32.42 | shad0wcat | make your other more powerful boxes do the bulk of the compile |
| 01:32.50 | imaek | :o |
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| 01:32.52 | nimak | i need a CD burning program, someone make a suggestion |
| 01:32.54 | shad0wcat | a kernel should be compiled on the box it's gonna run on |
| 01:32.56 | imaek | repp_: It is working! :o |
| 01:32.57 | markybob | nimak, k3b |
| 01:33.02 | shad0wcat | that way it'll be optimized for that platform |
| 01:33.17 | imaek | repp_: Not alt+f2, but everything |
| 01:33.21 | imaek | I am able to move the selection! :) |
| 01:33.28 | fevel | nimak: definetely k3b |
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| 01:33.56 | Eu_Fabiano | I was instaling the newest debian... booting... then the instalation stop at 92%... showing a text loading about scsi... ant stay stoped... |
| 01:33.56 | repp_ | Eu_Fabiano: it may stay stopped for up to 5 minutes |
| 01:33.59 | repp_ | imaek: hey, great! |
| 01:34.07 | shad0wcat | Eu_Fabiano: STOP REPEATING |
| 01:34.08 | imaek | repp_: I think it is frozen, now, though :( |
| 01:34.15 | shad0wcat | we fucking heard you the first 20 times |
| 01:34.19 | fevel | Eu_Fabiano: tu eh do rio |
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| 01:34.36 | nimak | is k3b for kde? |
| 01:34.37 | fevel | Eu_Fabiano: ? |
| 01:34.38 | imaek | repp_: it says "Loading module 'ide-disk' for 'Linux ATA DISK'..." and hasn't moved for a few minutes |
| 01:34.39 | nebular | shad0wcat: meh too much work overall. but thank you for the info, you were a hard case about it. I appologize if I wasn't as knowledgeable as you'd have liked, but then why would I have bothered to ask a question in the first place. |
| 01:34.51 | repp_ | imaek: darn :/ that's a bad sign |
| 01:34.54 | fevel | nimak: I use it on gnome |
| 01:35.05 | nimak | m'kay |
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| 01:35.13 | shad0wcat | nebular: generally speaking if you ask a question about a kernel compile you're likely to produce a br0kered kernel |
| 01:35.19 | repp_ | imaek: I'm guessing yeah, your hardware has a strange glitch that prevents a normal debian install |
| 01:35.27 | MasterOfDisaster | Hello ! I've a problem installing g++-40 and libstdc++6 on debian testing. The packages are from unstable. If I try to install apt tells me that g++ depends on libstdc and if I try to install libstdc first it depends on g++. Ehm...? |
| 01:35.28 | imaek | :((( |
| 01:35.28 | repp_ | imaek: try "linux26" at the boot prompt |
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| 01:35.30 | Eu_Fabiano | fever, no i'm fron vitoria... bus i'm brasiliam |
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| 01:35.34 | imaek | Ubuntu works, though |
| 01:35.35 | imaek | OKay] |
| 01:35.35 | shad0wcat | nebular: which happens too often |
| 01:35.38 | shad0wcat | :( |
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| 01:35.45 | repp_ | imaek: good luck, I have to run. |
| 01:36.00 | imaek | Thanks so much, repp_ :) |
| 01:36.02 | markybob | Eu_Fabiano, try #debian-br. |
| 01:36.10 | Eu_Fabiano | thanx |
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| 01:36.47 | DanielCar | Any pointers to resolve sound issue? |
| 01:37.08 | markybob | DanielCar, i'm out of ideas |
| 01:37.43 | DanielCar | I read Intel has new drivers for this. Came out in Kernel 2.6.13, but I'm using 2.6.14. |
| 01:38.04 | shad0wcat | DanielCar: drivers for what? |
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| 01:38.16 | cheal | MasterOfDisaster: g++-4.0 doesn't depend on libstdc (there's not even such a package) |
| 01:38.40 | shad0wcat | !info distcc |
| 01:38.41 | shad0wcat | err |
| 01:38.46 | lunitik | cheal: libstdc++6 ... I'm pretty sure it does... |
| 01:38.46 | shad0wcat | !info g++-4.0 |
| 01:38.53 | nebular | shad0wcat: but why treat the person asking the question like an idiot? you could have told me info grub right away, or directed me to a place where I might find more info. |
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| 01:39.15 | shad0wcat | Depends: gcc-4.0-base (= 4.0.2-2), gcc-4.0 (= 4.0.2-2), libstdc++6-4.0-dev (= 4.0.2-2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) |
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| 01:39.41 | shad0wcat | nebular: because if you stick around it means you're willing to take the abuse a kernel compile usually entails |
| 01:39.43 | shad0wcat | it's just a test |
| 01:39.55 | cheal | lunitik: I'm just trying to get him to check the details, otherwise this isn't over |
| 01:39.58 | dpkg | distcc: (Simple distributed compiler client and server), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.18.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 356 kB |
| 01:40.01 | shad0wcat | lunitik was right |
| 01:40.15 | shad0wcat | it depends on distdc |
| 01:40.21 | shad0wcat | apt-cache show rocks |
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| 01:40.30 | markybob | dpkg is a little slow tonight |
| 01:40.32 | UNDERRATED_UNDER | hey |
| 01:40.43 | DanielCar | shad0wcat: sound drivers for new motherboard 945gcz in snd-hda-intel |
| 01:40.46 | shad0wcat | there's major backbone problem |
| 01:40.58 | shad0wcat | servers have been splitting all night on two irc nets I'm on |
| 01:41.07 | dondelelcaro | if the bot has to download the package lists, it takes it a while. |
| 01:41.26 | DanielCar | Sigmatel 9923 codec |
| 01:41.27 | shad0wcat | bah |
| 01:41.36 | shad0wcat | I wish someone would produce some documentation for blootbot |
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| 01:41.42 | shad0wcat | it's not easy compiling and comfiguring without it |
| 01:41.43 | shad0wcat | :( |
| 01:41.46 | dondelelcaro | shad0wcat: volunteer yourself |
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| 01:42.07 | MasterOfDisaster | @cheal: Really, it does. I mean the version that is for debian unstable (4.0.2-3) |
| 01:42.14 | shad0wcat | dondelelcaro: I would if I knew perl |
| 01:42.24 | shad0wcat | configuring even |
| 01:42.25 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; you don't need to know perl. |
| 01:42.40 | MasterOfDisaster | But how can I solve the dependencies if both packages depend on each other ? |
| 01:42.59 | shad0wcat | circular dependencies rock |
| 01:43.02 | shad0wcat | </sarcasm> |
| 01:43.03 | markybob | MasterOfDisaster, you can download them but not install them. then dpkg --force-all -i |
| 01:43.12 | cheal | MasterOfDisaster: if you can't spell right, better show the errors |
| 01:44.12 | nimak | why the hell is k3b only in stable and unstable? |
| 01:44.17 | markybob | MasterOfDisaster, listen to me if you care to actualy make it work. or do apt-cache build-dep gcc-4.0 && apt-get source -b gcc-4.0 ...might work |
| 01:45.05 | cheal | nimak: the unstable version has unmet dependencies in testing |
| 01:45.26 | nebular | shad0wcat: well I"m on my way out, but my view of the whole thing is, if you're in a support channel better to be supportive in all situations, even if you're going to make the person work for the answer. oh well, I just hope you don't work for a helpdesk. |
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| 01:45.32 | cheal | nimak: it was removed from testing when it became uninstallable to due another dependency issue, I guess |
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| 01:45.49 | nimak | thats weird |
| 01:45.55 | cheal | s/to due/due to. ask #debian-kde for details |
| 01:45.58 | markybob | nimak not really. happens all the time in testing |
| 01:46.03 | shad0wcat | cheal: this is why I say that running testing right now is worse than running unstable |
| 01:46.10 | cheal | shad0wcat: good one |
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| 01:46.28 | tuv | i installed jde (java devel. env. for emacs) but when running emacs it says "The wrong version of Semantic is installed, please install 1.4beta13". (debian/testing) |
| 01:46.30 | shad0wcat | waiting for fixes to broken packages in testing is just painful |
| 01:46.31 | shad0wcat | it takes weeks |
| 01:46.33 | nimak | maybe i should just upgrade to unstable |
| 01:46.43 | cheal | shad0wcat: yet you say you like compiling stuff |
| 01:46.49 | nimak | im too lazy, though |
| 01:46.51 | shad0wcat | nimak: well I sure as hell got tired of waiting for them to fix evoluton in testing |
| 01:46.56 | shad0wcat | I wanted a freaking month |
| 01:46.58 | cheal | nimak: unstable isn't an upgrade |
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| 01:47.01 | shad0wcat | then I was like fuck it |
| 01:47.08 | shad0wcat | aptitude -t unstable dist-upgrade |
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| 01:47.42 | shad0wcat | cheal: as long as they don't upgrade the source packages I'm fine |
| 01:47.51 | shad0wcat | when they upgrade source packages I have to recompile |
| 01:48.05 | MasterOfDisaster | Ok, thanks. I'll try that with "--force-all"...thanks for help. Bye! |
| 01:48.06 | shad0wcat | but most of my boxes are hybrids |
| 01:48.14 | cheal | shad0wcat: uh? you think binary uploads are common? |
| 01:48.16 | shad0wcat | KDE 3.4 and OpenOffice.org from unstable |
| 01:48.19 | tuv | shouldn't the version of semantic match the one required by jde? |
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| 01:48.35 | shad0wcat | and the rest from stable |
| 01:48.42 | shad0wcat | and when I find a stable image I keep it |
| 01:48.48 | shad0wcat | until I run into some bug |
| 01:48.52 | shad0wcat | then I upgrade again |
| 01:49.15 | shad0wcat | most of kde hasn't changed in quite a while for example |
| 01:49.47 | phaedral | shad0wcat: that's a pretty cool sounding strategy |
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| 01:50.30 | shad0wcat | phaedral: you don't upgrade for upgrading's sake |
| 01:50.31 | shad0wcat | well some do |
| 01:50.33 | shad0wcat | I don't |
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| 01:51.09 | phaedral | well, i hang out on #debian to pick up hints from folks who know what they're doing |
| 01:51.30 | tuv | nobody with any experience with jde? |
| 01:51.37 | phaedral | since gettting my first ultra-pure sarge install i've been upgrading whenever apt-get says they're available |
| 01:51.39 | markybob | tuv doesnt seem like it |
| 01:51.39 | Amarande | dangit, why did I preorder Oblivion |
| 01:51.44 | cheal | shad0wcat: if you really want to explain your rather personal opinions about how to get a stable system, please watch your enter key |
| 01:51.47 | nimak | i hang out in #debian because im too lazy to do homework |
| 01:51.47 | Amarande | now I'm stuck keeping a winbox when I could have switched to Linux entirely |
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| 01:52.09 | tuv | what do you guys for editing java files, if at all? |
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| 01:52.10 | shad0wcat | Amarande: haha |
| 01:52.14 | shad0wcat | cheal: ya I know |
| 01:52.21 | shad0wcat | political minefield |
| 01:52.29 | shad0wcat | I'm surprised I haven't been blasted yet |
| 01:52.31 | tuv | what do you guys use for editing java files, if at all? |
| 01:52.39 | shad0wcat | tuv: eclipse |
| 01:52.41 | Amarande | The only -truly- stable system state is called 'off'. End of story. :> |
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| 01:52.59 | tuv | shad0wcat: nothing simpler: more primitive |
| 01:53.13 | shad0wcat | tuv: I write big apps in java |
| 01:53.20 | shad0wcat | so I want an IDE |
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| 01:53.30 | shad0wcat | but hey if you want to use emacs that's fine too |
| 01:53.32 | sparr | how do i make more/new fonts visible in the KDE font selection dialog? |
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| 01:53.42 | shad0wcat | sparr: you install more fonts |
| 01:53.44 | cheal | shad0wcat: there are too many newbies like you. blasting is kept for those that will recommend particular people that know Debian even less to run sid |
| 01:53.49 | sparr | shad0wcat: very funny |
| 01:53.49 | tuv | shad0wcat: i use eclipse for large apps, but i need to write simple classes every now and then |
| 01:53.55 | duglas | with a 2.4 kernel I needed some scsi modules for my CD burner, now I have a 2.6.13 kernel and a DVD burner ... Do I need any scsi modules? (eg. sr_mod, sg, scsi_mod) |
| 01:54.08 | shad0wcat | cheal: heh I ain't a noob |
| 01:54.23 | markybob | duglas, 2.6 uses ide-cd to burn cds |
| 01:54.34 | shad0wcat | tuv: so use emacs/vi/vim/kate |
| 01:54.47 | shad0wcat | sparr: no I'm serious |
| 01:54.56 | shad0wcat | basic debian doesn't really come with a lot of fonts |
| 01:55.05 | sparr | shad0wcat: ok, once i install them... |
| 01:55.05 | sparr | how do i make more/new fonts visible in the KDE font selection dialog? |
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| 01:55.06 | tuv | shad0wcat: i'm trying to use emacs with jde.. a little more feature-rich than bare-bone emacs |
| 01:55.07 | shad0wcat | msttcorefonts or whatever that package is called |
| 01:55.16 | sparr | not packaged fonts |
| 01:55.17 | shad0wcat | sparr: they should show up on their own |
| 01:55.18 | sparr | just any font |
| 01:55.24 | shad0wcat | sparr: oh umm |
| 01:55.28 | sparr | i agree, they should |
| 01:55.31 | shad0wcat | then you have to edit the files manually |
| 01:55.35 | sparr | what files? |
| 01:55.42 | shad0wcat | sparr: google for a guide |
| 01:55.46 | sparr | a guide to what? |
| 01:55.55 | sparr | ive googled, i dont think one exists |
| 01:55.56 | shad0wcat | it's /usr/share/fonts something like that |
| 01:56.01 | shad0wcat | sparr: they exist |
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| 01:56.11 | shad0wcat | msttcorefonts is enough for me |
| 01:56.11 | markybob | sparr, XF86Config-4 has font paths listed in it. make sure they're in there, then restart x. should detect it |
| 01:56.24 | shad0wcat | markybob: good point |
| 01:56.53 | sparr | markybob: X detects it just fine. KDE is the problem. |
| 01:57.11 | sparr | i can use my fonts in xterm |
| 01:57.11 | markybob | so now you have to tell me htf you know x detects them when kde isnt showing them |
| 01:57.14 | sparr | i see them in xfontsel |
| 01:57.16 | markybob | i see |
| 01:57.36 | shad0wcat | look in the KDE documentation |
| 01:57.37 | markybob | dont know how to help you, then. i use gnome myself. try #kde or whatever their channel is |
| 01:57.39 | shad0wcat | or here's an idea |
| 01:57.42 | sparr | they are listed on xlsfonts and fc-list |
| 01:57.42 | shad0wcat | ask in #kde |
| 01:57.48 | fevel | is there a package for mounting digital cameras and pendrives for testing? |
| 01:57.53 | fbi | #debian-kde |
| 01:57.58 | shad0wcat | nah |
| 01:58.03 | shad0wcat | #debian-kde is pretty dead |
| 01:58.11 | sparr | markybob: heh, how to do it in gnome would be good help too |
| 01:58.17 | fbi | i wouldn't know, i've never joined there. |
| 01:58.19 | shad0wcat | well they're both pretty dead |
| 01:58.20 | markybob | fevel, no. digital cameras should mount automatically. it's just usb-storage |
| 01:58.23 | fbi | (and never will) |
| 01:58.49 | fevel | markybob: where does it send the pictures to? |
| 01:58.55 | shad0wcat | fevel: mount /dev/sd[a-z][0-9] /media/usb |
| 01:58.58 | markybob | fevel, no, dude. you mount it |
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| 01:59.15 | markybob | fevel, tail -f /var/log/syslog ...then plug in your camera. you'll see which device it attaches it to. mount that device |
| 01:59.17 | fevel | oh I see |
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| 01:59.45 | sparr | markybob: my font shows up in gnome-terminal as an option, but selecting it doesnt use it |
| 01:59.46 | fevel | thanks |
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| 02:00.08 | markybob | sparr i've never had that problem. sorry i cant help you. |
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| 02:01.38 | Garrett | Evening. GRUB question for someone... :( |
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| 02:02.32 | Garrett | I'm getting a filesystem not supported error when I try to dual boot into Windows. |
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| 02:02.42 | shad0wcat | windows? |
| 02:02.48 | shad0wcat | you better be chainloading that |
| 02:02.57 | Garrett | chainloader +1 |
| 02:02.58 | Garrett | Yes. |
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| 02:03.07 | shad0wcat | setup by the debian installer? |
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| 02:03.22 | Garrett | No. |
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| 02:03.26 | Amarande | chainloading? |
| 02:03.36 | markybob | Garrett, what's it look like? |
| 02:03.51 | Garrett | title blah blah blah |
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| 02:03.59 | Garrett | map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 02:04.08 | Garrett | map (hd1) (hd0) |
| 02:04.14 | Garrett | rootnoverify (hd0,0) |
| 02:04.17 | Garrett | makeactive |
| 02:04.20 | Garrett | chainloader +1 |
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| 02:04.32 | shad0wcat | uhh |
| 02:04.36 | shad0wcat | that doesn't look right |
| 02:04.46 | monk | hello |
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| 02:04.53 | markybob | it all looks right aside from the map crap. delete those two lines and see if it works |
| 02:04.57 | Garrett | I'm a total leenux newb, just so you know./ |
| 02:05.16 | Garrett | Debian is on IDE (hda) |
| 02:05.25 | Garrett | Windows is on SATA (sda) |
| 02:05.43 | shad0wcat | now you see |
| 02:05.48 | shad0wcat | that might be a problem |
| 02:05.51 | monk | can anyone help me install debian on vmware thats on a windows box? |
| 02:05.59 | wOOt | yeah |
| 02:06.09 | shad0wcat | monk: you do it as you would on a normal box |
| 02:06.14 | markybob | monk what hasnt worked? |
| 02:06.24 | Garrett | shad0wcat: suggestions? |
| 02:06.46 | shad0wcat | Garrett: look up the commands using info grub |
| 02:06.49 | shad0wcat | that's all I can give you |
| 02:06.53 | shad0wcat | I don't know them by heart |
| 02:06.54 | wOOt | first thing, choose lowest resolution, framebuffer > yes, and install/compile vmware tools |
| 02:07.03 | markybob | Garrett, yeah. delete the two lines and try it |
| 02:07.08 | Amarande | dpkg, chainloading? |
| 02:07.13 | shad0wcat | !chainloading |
| 02:07.17 | shad0wcat | !chainload |
| 02:07.20 | shad0wcat | oh ffs |
| 02:07.23 | shad0wcat | !google chainload |
| 02:07.29 | dpkg | Google says chainload is at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2005-07/msg00013.html or http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2005-07/msg00015.html or http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2005-07/msg00014.html or http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2001-06/msg00132.html or http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2001-06/msg00133.html |
| 02:07.50 | monk | It can't mount a previously installed partitions |
| 02:07.58 | shad0wcat | right that's useless |
| 02:08.05 | Garrett | Be back shortly. |
| 02:08.10 | shad0wcat | chainloader is the way you load an NTFS partition |
| 02:08.20 | shad0wcat | or any partition not supported by grub really |
| 02:08.28 | shad0wcat | you make that partition active for the session |
| 02:08.39 | shad0wcat | and hand over to whatever bootloader's on that partition |
| 02:08.40 | monk | previously-initialized partition, sorry. |
| 02:08.47 | shad0wcat | hence the term "chainload" |
| 02:09.01 | shad0wcat | grub loads one partition which loads another bootloader and so on |
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| 02:09.40 | Natman | ok. I purged debootstrap, did apt-get from a new mirror. debootstrap from ftp.debian.org |
| 02:09.40 | Natman | seems to get sarge packages, but base-config still installs testing... |
| 02:11.02 | monk | whats the nfs server and path of the nfs filesystem? |
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| 02:11.46 | Garrett | shad0wcat: No dice. |
| 02:11.53 | don | running smbpasswd -a username.. brings this error: backend (guestsam) should not be listed as the first passdb backend!, anyone know how to fix? |
| 02:12.23 | Garrett | It just stalled. Spit out what I had under the Windows section and just sat there. |
| 02:12.23 | shad0wcat | don: try #samba |
| 02:12.50 | don | ok |
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| 02:13.06 | monk | shad0wcat, can you help me? lol |
| 02:13.13 | tengulre | hi,all ! |
| 02:13.14 | tengulre | how to modify MAC address? |
| 02:13.19 | markybob | tengulre, that's funny |
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| 02:13.29 | Phated | scp -v -P 443 me@myhost:filename.tar.bz2 - what's wrong with that command? |
| 02:13.49 | Phated | ssh is funning on 443 on my host. |
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| 02:14.00 | Garrett | GRUB help, anyone? |
| 02:14.05 | tengulre | markybob: why? |
| 02:14.29 | markybob | Phated, you want to move from remote to local or local to remote? |
| 02:14.36 | markybob | tengulre, because it's not doable, that's why. |
| 02:14.37 | Phated | markybob: Remote to local. |
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| 02:15.02 | markybob | Phated, try scp -v -P 443 me@remote:/home/phated/filename.tar.gz2 |
| 02:15.14 | Phated | markybob: Ah. I'll try that, thanks. |
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| 02:15.19 | markybob | Phated, you hadnt specified a full path on the remote |
| 02:15.22 | markybob | Phated, np |
| 02:15.47 | Phated | markybob: No, I'm still getting it. |
| 02:15.56 | markybob | Phated, what do you get? |
| 02:16.12 | zinx | whare are you trying to do? |
| 02:16.17 | Phated | markybob: The scp use: guide. |
| 02:16.17 | zinx | scp typically takes 2 or more arguments |
| 02:16.18 | deadcat | scp user@host:blah /path/to/the/shit |
| 02:16.20 | markybob | Phated, try scp -v -P 443 me@remote:/home/phated/filename.tar.gz2 /home/phated/ |
| 02:16.26 | Phated | Ah. |
| 02:16.46 | Phated | Ah, thanks a lot, folks. :D |
| 02:16.54 | cusco | is blah the passwd? |
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| 02:17.01 | markybob | cusco, no |
| 02:17.02 | cusco | ah the filename |
| 02:17.04 | cusco | right |
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| 02:17.23 | cusco | I was trying to use scp some time ago :P |
| 02:17.25 | Inv_arp | hmm, i added xfce4 via apt ... yet i dont see it as a selection using update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 02:17.26 | deadcat | Phated: common. you dont know scp? you shitting me (= |
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| 02:17.38 | Phated | deadcat: Ain't never had no call to use it. :) |
| 02:17.42 | deadcat | Inv_arp: its not a manager |
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| 02:17.53 | deadcat | Phated: then what you use to transfer files? |
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| 02:18.30 | Phated | deadca Generally a cat5. :) |
| 02:18.30 | deadcat | Phated: oh ya. i bought a airport basestation (snow) for $5 yesterday hahah |
| 02:18.47 | Phated | deadcat: OMG, those are pretty. I have built-in airprt, tho. |
| 02:18.51 | deadcat | Phated: cat5 you still have to use something to transfer. |
| 02:18.59 | Phated | deadcat: ftp. |
| 02:19.02 | deadcat | ah |
| 02:19.16 | Phated | deadcat: Internally. I can't get to my ftp from out here - fucking isp. |
| 02:19.27 | markybob | ftp transfers faster, i've found. however, scp is quicker to call from cli. so it depends :-) |
| 02:19.32 | deadcat | Phated: i haev 2 of those snow base station now. 1 is fucked up though. i hosted the software or firmware |
| 02:19.41 | Phated | Encryption - overhead. :) |
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| 02:20.04 | deadcat | ya |
| 02:20.04 | duglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.05 | Inv_arp | deadcat: hmm, so how would i make it the default desktop under init 5 |
| 02:20.13 | markybob | duglas, I ALREADY TOLD YOU 30 MINUTES AGO |
| 02:20.19 | markybob | sorry. getting pissed at people not listening all night |
| 02:20.34 | deadcat | Inv_arp: dont know. i use .xsession |
| 02:20.37 | duglas | really |
| 02:20.37 | TraceGreen | Hello, if i want to know the ascii of a character, what command can i use? |
| 02:20.49 | deadcat | Inv_arp: but if you dont have kde or gnome. it will default to xfce4 (= |
| 02:21.00 | Inv_arp | duglas: no need for scsi module under 2.6 for burning |
| 02:21.02 | deadcat | markybob: its cool |
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| 02:22.06 | dondelelcaro | markybob: just use /ignore if someone is bothering you... |
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| 02:22.38 | markybob | anyone seen electricelf lately? 18d idle is unlike him |
| 02:22.58 | dondelelcaro | markybob: he's just not always on this network. |
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| 02:23.23 | deadcat | markybob: hes spending time on his social life |
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| 02:23.34 | Garrett | Mmmm...social life... |
| 02:23.34 | markybob | deadcat, :) |
| 02:24.02 | markybob | ok, everyone. we're all leaving and going to the local pub. who's with me? |
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| 02:24.05 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
| 02:24.09 | markybob | we shall follow his example! |
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| 02:24.45 | Garrett | I think it's Fedora that has a drives.map file that you can use with GRUB to map say... hdb to hd0. |
| 02:24.48 | Garrett | Anyone heard of this? |
| 02:24.59 | markybob | garrett no. are you using gnome? |
| 02:25.00 | duglas | didnt help ... still cant burn ...error msg from growisofs -- :-[ WRITE@LBA=40h failed with SK=4h/ASC=08h/ACQ=03h]: Input/output error |
| 02:25.04 | Garrett | Gnome it is. |
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| 02:25.16 | Garrett | (yes) |
| 02:25.20 | markybob | Garrett, install gnome-system-tools and then go to applications->system tools-> boot |
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| 02:26.00 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here with experiences in running xen on a debian box? |
| 02:26.06 | black_Nightmare | just wondering but is it possible to define a maximum screen size for softwares? (so they'll maximize in less screen space than the os currently does) |
| 02:26.14 | markybob | i think. gnome still has that, right? i havent used gnome-system-tools in a long time |
| 02:26.25 | Natman | ctp: I've got the kernel and tools compiled for sarge... but I can't debootstrap to get a domU working |
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| 02:26.40 | Garrett | Says it's installed. |
| 02:26.42 | Natman | ctp: but dom0 works fine |
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| 02:26.42 | deadcat | black_Nightmare: -geometry maybe |
| 02:26.52 | Garrett | Can't find it. (newbie, sorry). |
| 02:26.58 | Garrett | Point me in the right direction? |
| 02:27.17 | ctp | Natman: do you run xen on a dedicated server via nat? |
| 02:27.19 | Boukensya | hey guys. I just got a domain and I have a debian box that I want to be completely related to that domian (eg everything fowarded and pinging the domain replies from that IP address) How do I setup my dns to do that? |
| 02:27.23 | deadcat | Garrett: left |
| 02:27.31 | deadcat | just make a left bro |
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| 02:27.45 | Natman | ctp: Well, I just got started, but it will be on a dedicated server. |
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| 02:28.09 | black_Nightmare | deadcat...hm could that work for say I had a wide screen and want to decidate one column on right side of screen to just for (not maximized) notifications and hardware/drive status' then the rest of the screen space (probably look more like standard screen size by then) being for any software that opens into maximized mode |
| 02:28.13 | black_Nightmare | hope that made sense |
| 02:28.40 | markybob | well, i'm off to the pub. see you guys |
| 02:28.47 | deadcat | black_Nightmare: you might want to take a look at ion3 |
| 02:28.54 | ctp | Natman: i'm going to get all the stuff running on a dedicated but have some trouble with bridging the traffic domU -> nat -> eth0. my isp only offers 1 ip. |
| 02:28.55 | black_Nightmare | deadcat..hm ok ty |
| 02:29.20 | deadcat | black_Nightmare: no that didnt make sense because i didnt finish your biography there. |
| 02:29.37 | ctp | Natman: do you have some experiences with xen-br0? |
| 02:29.39 | black_Nightmare | I've never really been a fan of widescreen..they kinda throw me off when trying read lenght pages |
| 02:29.52 | black_Nightmare | its like trying to read an extra-wide book....yeesh :p |
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| 02:30.09 | black_Nightmare | might use the extra width space to throw up notification windows etc |
| 02:30.10 | Natman | ctp: I've read the docs. Why not just remove the bridge, and use IPtables like u would for a normal firewall? |
| 02:30.14 | Boukensya | where would I find out how to do this? |
| 02:30.39 | deadcat | Boukensya: try #this |
| 02:31.19 | Garrett | deadcat: still lost. Sorry. |
| 02:31.28 | Garrett | I have a confession. |
| 02:31.33 | Garrett | I'm actually running Ubuntu. |
| 02:31.35 | Garrett | :( |
| 02:31.47 | deadcat | Garrett: #ubuntu is 2 rooms down the hall buddy |
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| 02:32.14 | Natman | ctp: brctl can break the bridge, and iptables to setup nat. |
| 02:32.22 | Garrett | Mmkay! Thanks for your time. :) |
| 02:32.28 | ctp | Natman: hm, does bridging same as iptables in this case? i didnt understand the bridging part of the xen docs exactely. |
| 02:33.14 | Natman | ctp: Bridging is at the ethernet layer... below TCP/IP. nat will "translate" addresses, so u only have one public ip (dom0's eth0), and the rest are private IPs |
| 02:33.46 | litage | any comments on setting up software raid on sata drives using debootstrap? |
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| 02:34.06 | server_newbie | I want to download dshield from the command line. How do I do this ? |
| 02:34.12 | buns | fglrx |
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| 02:36.02 | QrX | hi all |
| 02:36.13 | QrX | i need little help |
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| 02:36.28 | ctp | Natman: ok. i wanna have 5-6 servers running with private ips as domU to isolate postgres server, mail server, apache, ... so every service is running on a different port. so using nat i dont need to setup bridging? what is brctl exactely for? |
| 02:36.36 | deadcat | QrX: can you help me. i have a problem |
| 02:36.47 | QrX | it depend about what |
| 02:36.54 | deadcat | help |
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| 02:36.56 | QrX | i am not great :p |
| 02:37.22 | QrX | whats ur pb ? |
| 02:37.49 | QrX | deadcat |
| 02:37.53 | QrX | whats ur pb ? |
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| 02:38.50 | tlivingston | anyone here able to help program wxwidgets in c++? im having trouble with wxValidators |
| 02:38.59 | QrX | ........ |
| 02:39.06 | Natman | ctp: btctl controls ethernet bridges. And a bridge is just an easy way of pretending that the domU's are on the same physical NIC. |
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| 02:39.43 | QrX | anyone who got the power down problem while shutting down his comp ? |
| 02:39.46 | Natman | ctp: So use brctl to remove the bridge, and then uset iptables to setup nat and port forwarding for the domU's |
| 02:40.20 | deadcat | QrX: acpi or apm? |
| 02:40.21 | QrX | it say power down but the comp stay pluged |
| 02:40.43 | ctp | Natman: ok, i'll try it. mni thx. whats your trouble get xen's domU's running? xen 2.0.7 or 3.0? |
| 02:40.45 | Natman | ctp: look at http://bridge.sourceforge.net/howto.html |
| 02:40.48 | deadcat | QrX: acpi or apm? |
| 02:40.58 | QrX | acpi i guess |
| 02:41.02 | deadcat | dont guess |
| 02:41.17 | Natman | ctp: 2.0.7, under debian sarge. How'd u get your domU's installed? Like how'd u get the basic files into the filesystems? |
| 02:41.24 | QrX | how can i be sure |
| 02:42.00 | deadcat | QrX: lsmod |egrep "apm|acpi" MAYBE |
| 02:42.07 | ctp | Natman: do you understand german? i have an excelent howto to get the stuff running. |
| 02:42.23 | QrX | ok lets see |
| 02:42.47 | Natman | ctp: I can understand a bit. Do u have a link to it? |
| 02:42.48 | ctp | Natman: http://www.pug.org/index.php/Xen-Installation |
| 02:43.09 | Natman | ctp: thanks! |
| 02:43.22 | ctp | Natman: my domU's run in image files. i tried lvm but had some trouble. |
| 02:43.54 | Natman | ctp: okay, but you used debootstrap to get the base system up? |
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| 02:45.27 | ctp | Natman: yes, i did |
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| 02:46.00 | Natman | ctp: yeah, that's what I tried... but after I do base-config it starts downloading packages from testing... not sure why |
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| 02:48.04 | QrX | deadcat ACPI |
| 02:48.27 | ctp | Natman: debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /mnt/to/vserver/dir/ http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 02:48.34 | deadcat | whats the command you used to shutdown? |
| 02:48.42 | Natman | ctp: yeah, I see the guide mentions --arch... I didn't do that... trying it right now. |
| 02:48.44 | dvs | deadcat: shutdown -h now |
| 02:48.53 | QrX | the prompt command |
| 02:48.55 | deadcat | dvs: not you. QrX |
| 02:49.05 | dvs | deadcat: Oh? You're asking. sorry |
| 02:49.18 | QrX | the shut down command from the prompt or from gnome |
| 02:49.19 | ctp | Natman: let us stay in contact ;-) i queried you. did you see it? |
| 02:49.20 | deadcat | dvs: ya. i was asking him. (= |
| 02:49.21 | paolob | Hi guys! Anyone experimenting problems with beagle 0.1? |
| 02:49.52 | deadcat | QrX: i dont know. maybe bios. or an option you're not using. i have apm on my x86 |
| 02:49.55 | dondelelcaro | paolob: if they are and it's in Debian, they would have filed bugs. |
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| 02:50.35 | w3rdn4 | is there a program that synthesis text into speech? |
| 02:50.46 | repp_ | festival |
| 02:50.47 | deadcat | festival |
| 02:50.51 | ctp | w3rdn4: festival |
| 02:50.54 | ctp | ;-) |
| 02:50.54 | QrX | deadcat its the first distrib who do this i never have any pb with others |
| 02:50.58 | w3rdn4 | thank you |
| 02:51.24 | deadcat | ya. my computer is saying "shut up or i will shutdown!" |
| 02:51.33 | QrX | lol |
| 02:51.33 | ctp | w3rdn4: are you radio amateur? |
| 02:51.38 | Natman | ctp: no I didn't |
| 02:51.39 | deadcat | !pb |
| 02:51.46 | w3rdn4 | ctp, an amateur yes |
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| 02:51.59 | jazzmanss | why is sarge trying to remove k3b, koffice, mozilla, firefox, mkisofs? aptitude install gives a whole list of stuff to be removed. ? 2.6.8-2-386 kernel. |
| 02:52.11 | ctp | w3rdn4: is w3rdn4 your callsign? |
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| 02:52.23 | QrX | ctp qrp |
| 02:52.46 | QrX | this is not a callsign |
| 02:52.56 | w3rdn4 | ctp, no callsign, I just study what my grandfather did |
| 02:53.02 | repp_ | jazzmanss: you probably have a strange package conflict. My best advice is to wait a few days before attempting an upgrade. |
| 02:53.25 | ctp | QrX: thats why i'm asking. i'm offline since 6 years, so many things changed ;-) |
| 02:53.33 | QrX | :p |
| 02:53.33 | repp_ | jazzmanss: if you can locate the conflict, that would be helpful |
| 02:53.36 | FarrisG | I have a ~500 gire ext3 partition (raid 0 of two 250 gig drives) at /dev/sda1. Lots of data on it. This dumbfuck I allowed on my box plugged a usb drive into it, thought it was /dev/sda, and did a "mkdosfs /dev/sda". I was also logged into the box at the time, noticed the partition going down, and stopped him at that point. Now, I know theoretically all my data is still on that partition. How do I get rid of the msdos partition at /dev/ |
| 02:53.44 | deadcat | ctp: were you in jail? |
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| 02:53.48 | QrX | lol |
| 02:53.51 | FarrisG | s/gire/gig |
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| 02:54.14 | ctp | deadcat: no, at university ;-) |
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| 02:54.21 | repp_ | FarrisG: you gave a dumbfuck root? |
| 02:54.25 | deadcat | how you be offline at a uni? |
| 02:54.38 | QrX | and you saw nobody at university , |
| 02:54.40 | deadcat | repp_: now whos the dumbfuck? |
| 02:54.43 | bob2 | FarrisG: gpart + using the alternate superblock might work |
| 02:54.56 | FarrisG | repp_: I didn't know he was THIS dumb. I know ultimately, I'M the dumbass here. But I REALLY need to get this data recovered |
| 02:55.16 | wang | is there any way to re-import a gpg ? |
| 02:55.22 | FarrisG | bob2: 1) What's gpart? 2) How do I determine where the alternate superblock(s) should be? |
| 02:55.23 | repp_ | FarrisG: bob2 is giving good advice, sorry |
| 02:56.09 | ctp | deadcat: no time for hobby like amateur radio ;-) next summer i go on air in our new house. so have to read a lot about new techs in ham radio ;-) |
| 02:56.16 | bob2 | FarrisG: apt-cache show gpart |
| 02:56.43 | QrX | ctp u have a call ? |
| 02:57.02 | QrX | or u learn for ? |
| 02:57.09 | asg | !u |
| 02:57.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:57.36 | ctp | QrX: dg2abf |
| 02:57.44 | bob2 | FarrisG: and man mount for superblock locations, it seems |
| 02:57.51 | ctp | QrX: since 11 years ;-) |
| 02:58.04 | QrX | damn you are old.... |
| 02:58.07 | QrX | :p |
| 02:58.15 | ctp | QrX: 26 ;-) |
| 02:59.07 | dvs | QrX: ha! |
| 02:59.28 | ctp | more hams here? |
| 02:59.45 | server_newbie | I just downloaded a file with a tgz ext How do I uncompress it ? |
| 02:59.52 | asg | server_newbie: man tar |
| 03:00.04 | ctp | server_newbie, tar xzvf |
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| 03:00.07 | QrX | hmm |
| 03:00.34 | ctp | ctp: rm -rf ~ ;-) |
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| 03:01.20 | server_newbie | tanks |
| 03:01.35 | foo | Man, something is up with backgrounds changing in fluxbox. Two of my debian boxes have a small checkerboard background ... and when I switch styles, the background doesn't change - any ideas? |
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| 03:02.26 | FarrisG | anyone know if there's a deb package that cointains the "findsuper" utility? |
| 03:02.44 | asg | foo: look at the style definition file, find out which 'rootCommand' is being used to change the background. Run it manually. Determine where it fails. |
| 03:02.46 | QrX | ctp oh i forgot never give a call outside allowed bands |
| 03:02.46 | FarrisG | I guess gpart replaces it? |
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| 03:03.13 | ctp | QrX: why this? |
| 03:03.19 | linux-noob | How do I check my ip on debian? |
| 03:03.21 | foo | asg: Gocha - where is the style definition file ? |
| 03:03.24 | asg | linux-noob: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:03.38 | QrX | ctp thats the rules u forgot .. |
| 03:03.43 | asg | foo: ~/fluxbox/styles or /usr/share/fluxbox/styles |
| 03:04.00 | Amarande | bah, i am going to have to turn the ringer off on my phone |
| 03:04.02 | QrX | amateurfunk |
| 03:04.07 | linux-noob | do I have to put the /sbin/ on the front? |
| 03:04.15 | ctp | QrX: never heard about it! |
| 03:04.20 | dvs | linux-noob: if you are not root |
| 03:04.25 | asg | linux-noob: only if you are not root or have altered your $PATH |
| 03:04.33 | linux-noob | ohhhhh that makes sense |
| 03:04.34 | QrX | ctp ...hmm |
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| 03:05.20 | foo | asg: hmm, I switched and it works now. I wonder if it isn't saved or something |
| 03:05.22 | QrX | ctp where are you from germany ? |
| 03:05.29 | ctp | QrX: you mean someone breaks ham rules giving his callsign in irc? |
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| 03:05.41 | ctp | QrX: Braunschweig |
| 03:05.51 | fbi | what's that package that runs all the cron jobs when you boot called |
| 03:05.58 | asg | fbi: anacron |
| 03:06.08 | fbi | cheers. |
| 03:06.09 | QrX | ctp its just a security rule |
| 03:06.16 | fbi | i kept searching 'armacron' |
| 03:06.24 | ctp | QrX: ah, ok ;-) |
| 03:06.32 | asg | fbi: ;) |
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| 03:07.45 | ctp | btw anyone here going to ccc congress this year? |
| 03:08.10 | Farhan | can yo use bitorrent in the console? i'm not sure what torrent clients are good like that. |
| 03:08.37 | asg | Farhan: try bittornado |
| 03:08.52 | Farhan | in the console? i thought that was a gui applecation? |
| 03:08.59 | repp_ | Farhan: yeah, bittornado |
| 03:09.19 | Farhan | every time i opened it in the console it gave me issues. |
| 03:09.22 | asg | Farhan: it has a gui component but that's an optional addon. apt-cache search bittornado |
| 03:09.33 | Farhan | wait... how wouldyou control bandwith limits? |
| 03:09.37 | Farhan | how would you. |
| 03:09.57 | ctp | Farhan: command line arguments |
| 03:09.57 | Farhan | i want to use linux but i can't and i can, |
| 03:10.00 | asg | Farhan: there is a configuration file iirc |
| 03:10.02 | Farhan | ah |
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| 03:10.33 | repp_ | Miesco: you return |
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| 03:10.38 | Farhan | i can only use the console in linux, would that be consider a disadvantage |
| 03:10.42 | Farhan | considered |
| 03:10.44 | Tortel | Goodnight |
| 03:10.47 | litage | how do i ensure that devfs is built into the kernel? |
| 03:10.52 | asg | Farhan: no, I manage tons of servers that way |
| 03:10.56 | repp_ | litage: devfs is deprecated |
| 03:11.20 | Farhan | yeh so do i, in texas, with windows, with puty and screen. but i wonder for normal desktop useage though. |
| 03:11.27 | Farhan | usage |
| 03:11.32 | Miesco | repp_: Yes, you know the setup for dhcp or whatever for your network in the debian-installer, how do I run debian-installern again so I can set up the internet connection? |
| 03:11.46 | litage | repp_: what's replaced it? i ask because the guide to making your own debian installer (http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt) says devfs needs to be built in |
| 03:12.03 | wang | how do you make ca certificates? |
| 03:12.05 | Farhan | i have an kaleria server, you no, one of the play snes and playstaion over the net installers. |
| 03:12.06 | asg | Farhan: I've been running Debian and {Open/Free}BSD on desktops and laptops for many years. |
| 03:12.09 | repp_ | litage: hmm... |
| 03:12.13 | Farhan | what? console or gui |
| 03:12.14 | fbi | Miesco: you can't, that's part of the d-i, not base-config; man interfaces |
| 03:12.21 | repp_ | Miesco: you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:12.40 | Farhan | i can't run the gui, that's my issue. |
| 03:12.44 | asg | Farhan: why? |
| 03:12.47 | Farhan | blind. |
| 03:12.50 | repp_ | litage: interesting |
| 03:12.54 | asg | Farhan: ah, I understand |
| 03:12.56 | Farhan | yeh |
| 03:12.57 | sussudio | !info login unstable |
| 03:13.01 | Miesco | repp_: But I want the automatic thing |
| 03:13.02 | Farhan | gnopernicus hasn't branched out enough yet. |
| 03:13.06 | dpkg | login: (system login tools), section admin, is required. Version: 1:4.0.13-5 (sid), Packaged size: 548 kB, Installed size: 1588 kB |
| 03:13.09 | wang | how do you make ca certificates? |
| 03:13.13 | repp_ | litage: the replacement is udev - but I'm not sure how that factors into what you are trying to do. |
| 03:13.21 | repp_ | wang: openssl |
| 03:13.27 | repp_ | Miesco: yeah. |
| 03:13.34 | Farhan | no good text browsers for the console |
| 03:13.35 | litage | repp_: when did udev replace devfs? |
| 03:13.37 | sussudio | why the hell did login put config options in /etc/login.defs that it doesn't understand? |
| 03:13.37 | Farhan | like ie for windows. |
| 03:13.38 | wang | repp_ : is there a script for it? i'm trying to make a CA certificate for gmail |
| 03:13.40 | linux-noob | how do I change the permissions of a directory from the command line |
| 03:13.43 | QrX | ctp .... |
| 03:13.46 | asg | Farhan: lynx should work fine |
| 03:13.54 | Farhan | what one, lynx with an x or links |
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| 03:13.57 | fbi | linux-noob: man chmod |
| 03:14.02 | Miesco | repp_: But I really really want it |
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| 03:14.17 | Farhan | not all sights are like that that so accessible with lynx or links, my router config page for example. |
| 03:14.24 | wang | repp_ : is there a script for it? i'm trying to make a CA certificate for gmail |
| 03:14.25 | asg | Farhan: either. Granted, they can't display some websites but those were not designed for people who don't run windows and can see. |
| 03:14.30 | ctp | QrX: ? |
| 03:14.48 | repp_ | Miesco: this command will do it for you: echo -e "auto eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp" > /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:14.52 | Farhan | wait what? |
| 03:15.03 | repp_ | wang: gmail? |
| 03:15.09 | Miesco | repp_: Okay |
| 03:15.15 | wang | repp_ : correct |
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| 03:15.17 | Farhan | i don't understnad, your saying al the websights that links or lynx can't display are for people that design them only for windows users? |
| 03:15.20 | asg | Farhan: it isn't that lynx or links are suboptimal, it's just that most websites are not designed to be accessible to the blind. |
| 03:15.24 | Miesco | repp_: Thats good to know because last time I had to reinstall debian to set it up |
| 03:15.31 | Farhan | neh i can view them fine, with ie, that's the thing. |
| 03:15.37 | repp_ | Miesco: "man interfaces" |
| 03:15.41 | Miesco | I have |
| 03:15.42 | Farhan | like fanfiction.net for example. |
| 03:15.43 | Miesco | lots of times |
| 03:15.45 | wang | repp_ : gmail is google mail, free mail via google |
| 03:15.59 | Farhan | i can't change the chapter. combobox with linux. |
| 03:16.01 | repp_ | wang: yeah, I know what it is. I'm not really sure why you need a ca cert though |
| 03:16.23 | asg | Farhan: then those are designed to work with IE (because the people that design them only test with IE.) |
| 03:16.25 | Farhan | wait, i used fetchmail to get my gmail. i just had to type in the necisarry info. ssl and all that. |
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| 03:16.33 | wang | gmail uses ssl upon connection for pop3 and tls for smtp |
| 03:16.35 | Miesco | How is 2.6 better then 2.4? |
| 03:16.36 | Farhan | yeh then they work with mozilla . lols. |
| 03:16.36 | andre_m | lan problem: http://pastebin.com/425095 please help |
| 03:16.54 | Xenguy | Miesco: faster for one thing |
| 03:17.11 | repp_ | Miesco: and supports desktop hardware much better, as you are already aware |
| 03:17.12 | remyforbes777 | can you use sid repositories with an etch install |
| 03:17.18 | Miesco | Xenguy: That means my mouse wont hop all over the screen and it will move smoothly? |
| 03:17.20 | Farhan | the question is not having a gui as an disadvantage? |
| 03:17.21 | wang | repp_: i was under the impression i needed to make a CA cert for the smtp connection, per http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html |
| 03:17.26 | asg | Miesco: 2.4 is stable, 2.6 breaks quite a bit but has better support for newer hardware. |
| 03:17.28 | fbi | remyforbes777: sure, if you want a broken system. |
| 03:17.31 | Xenguy | Miesco: it's faster :) |
| 03:17.35 | remyforbes777 | ok |
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| 03:17.38 | remyforbes777 | thought so |
| 03:17.50 | Miesco | asg: SOmeone told me 2.6 was stable :/ |
| 03:17.51 | repp_ | wang: you do not need to use SSL to send mail to gmail |
| 03:17.58 | asg | Miesco: it's supposed to be |
| 03:18.03 | Xenguy | Miesco: virtual memory management was overhauled in 2.6 also IIRC |
| 03:18.05 | QrX | well 73 all :p |
| 03:18.05 | linux-noob | so if I wanted to change a directory so that my "normal" username, what would I do? |
| 03:18.12 | Farhan | i just baught this amd 2000 for $2000 |
| 03:18.14 | asg | Miesco: 2.6.14 currently is more unstable than 2.6.12 in my experience |
| 03:18.14 | Farhan | oops |
| 03:18.16 | Miesco | asg: Okay, so does the kernel do anyways |
| 03:18.18 | QrX | ctp 73 christoph |
| 03:18.18 | Farhan | $200 |
| 03:18.33 | ctp | Natman: would you recommend 3.0 for production servers? |
| 03:18.34 | Miesco | what does* |
| 03:18.35 | fbi | linux-noob: if you mean ownership, man chown |
| 03:18.40 | wang | repp_ : no you need to use tls |
| 03:18.42 | Farhan | you just do chmod all the peramitors and direname |
| 03:18.42 | Miesco | asg: Okay, so what does the kernel do anyway? |
| 03:18.45 | repp_ | I'm running 2.6.14 on my laptop with good results so far. |
| 03:18.45 | QrX | gn |
| 03:18.48 | repp_ | wang: no, you don't. |
| 03:18.55 | Xenguy | Miesco: it's the core of the system |
| 03:18.59 | asg | Miesco: the kernel interfaces the hardware with userland |
| 03:19.15 | Miesco | asg: Okay |
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| 03:19.24 | ctp | QrX: Da-di-da-dit da-da-di-dah ;-) |
| 03:19.29 | Farhan | uh? issues? |
| 03:19.29 | QrX | lol |
| 03:19.29 | asg | ctp: I'd recommend 3.1 because 3.0 will reach EOL sooner. |
| 03:19.43 | Farhan | can linux use upnp to tlak to my router? |
| 03:19.43 | ctp | asg: EOL? |
| 03:19.44 | Farhan | talk |
| 03:19.47 | asg | ctp: End of Life |
| 03:19.51 | Farhan | like with bitorrent. |
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| 03:19.55 | asg | ctp: no more security support, that is. |
| 03:19.57 | ctp | asg: ah, ok ;-) |
| 03:20.02 | Farhan | or bitornado i no it talks to it in windows. |
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| 03:20.12 | deo | guys, is there a way to recompile only ONE module from my current kernel (linux-image-2.6.14-1-686)? |
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| 03:20.36 | Miesco | My windows XP CD, the key isn't working, I dont want to go and buy a whole new windows XP, what should I do? |
| 03:20.42 | Farhan | what the hell |
| 03:20.51 | Farhan | this is a linux channel, why are you asking about window xp in here? |
| 03:20.53 | repp_ | Miesco: stop using XP, obviously |
| 03:20.55 | Farhan | lols |
| 03:21.00 | Farhan | i'm sorta forced to actually. |
| 03:21.01 | deo | funny |
| 03:21.03 | asg | Miesco: call Microsoft |
| 03:21.05 | repp_ | Miesco: also, please stop trolling |
| 03:21.05 | Farhan | i wish i coudl but i couldn't |
| 03:21.08 | Farhan | coudl |
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| 03:21.10 | Farhan | could |
| 03:21.10 | wang | repp_ : http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13285 <--they must be lying then? |
| 03:21.13 | Xenguy | Miesco: you should be /ignored that's what ;-) |
| 03:21.23 | Miesco | No |
| 03:21.30 | dvs | ha! |
| 03:21.32 | asg | deo: did you compile that image from source? |
| 03:21.35 | repp_ | wang: well, I just connected to gmail's mx myself 30 seconds ago, and sent email using only telnet. So yeah. |
| 03:21.37 | Miesco | Thats what someone else says, I was like put debian on it |
| 03:21.41 | Farhan | i really really hate ms. i'd rather use a mac. |
| 03:21.41 | Miesco | Is that a good idea? |
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| 03:21.49 | wang | isn't tls more secure? |
| 03:21.51 | deo | asg: nops... using the stock image from debian |
| 03:21.58 | Miesco | damb |
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| 03:22.22 | repp_ | wang: oh, i see. You're not using the gmail web interface, you're using a client. Got it. |
| 03:22.23 | asg | deo: then no, you'll have to download the source and compile the lot. If it's a separate module (i.e. one of the module-assistant compilable modules) you can. |
| 03:22.31 | Farhan | pine3 the win |
| 03:22.32 | Miesco | Unable to install the selected kernel kernel-image-2.4.26-2-386 |
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| 03:22.32 | asg | Miesco: is what a good idea? |
| 03:22.41 | Miesco | asg: Go from XP to debian |
| 03:22.49 | asg | Miesco: in some circumstances |
| 03:22.52 | wang | well i'm trying to use postfix, which is what my question was in the firstplace |
| 03:23.01 | deo | asg: ok... so the first step is to recompile the kernel using the same .config from the debian stock image |
| 03:23.01 | asg | Miesco: also, wtf did you get kernel-image-2.4.26-2.386 |
| 03:23.02 | wang | oh i forgot to mention that |
| 03:23.04 | wang | sorry |
| 03:23.16 | Miesco | asg: THe install CD does it automatically |
| 03:23.20 | asg | deo: yes |
| 03:23.23 | repp_ | wang: TLS is pretty much the same as SSL, except that TLS can be used on the same port as unencrypted transfer. So TLS is pretty much just as secure as SSL. |
| 03:23.29 | Miesco | asg: Im going to change it once debian is installed |
| 03:23.31 | asg | Miesco: which CD has kernel-image-2.4.26-2.386? |
| 03:23.36 | remyforbes777 | anyone know any good repositories for etch |
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| 03:23.41 | Miesco | asg: Binary 1? |
| 03:23.50 | asg | remyforbes777: apt-setup ; /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 03:23.52 | Miesco | 27* |
| 03:23.52 | asg | Miesco: no |
| 03:23.55 | asg | Miesco: yes |
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| 03:24.07 | deo | asg: any special recomendation to recreate the exact linux-image-2.6.14-1-686 kernel package? |
| 03:24.08 | repp_ | Miesco: stick with 2.6 |
| 03:24.25 | Miesco | repp_: I am, the installer puts 2.4 on automatically |
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| 03:24.39 | Miesco | This is a different computer |
| 03:24.39 | deo | or just copy the config and run a make oldconfig? |
| 03:24.40 | asg | deo: download the -src package for the 2.6.14 kernel |
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| 03:24.46 | repp_ | Miesco: just do what you did before then |
| 03:24.48 | Farhan | judt download a cd with 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:24.49 | Farhan | ? |
| 03:24.51 | repp_ | Miesco: unless you are smoking drugs |
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| 03:24.55 | fbi | Miesco: hit F1 and F3 at the bootsplash screen for special boot methods. |
| 03:25.00 | wang | repp_: per http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html I am apparently supposed to make a CA certificate, do you have any ideas how I would do that on debian? the instructions on that page seem a little obsolete, the .pl script doesn't exist in /etc/ssl |
| 03:25.07 | deo | asg: of course! thanks... ;-) |
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| 03:25.16 | asg | repp_: some drugs can also be taken oraly, rectally, and intravenously |
| 03:25.18 | Miesco | repp_: I did do what I said before, but it said a file on the CD was corrupot |
| 03:25.22 | foo | Hmm, should I worry about stopping all the services I don't want running .. .or should I just install a firewall on my laptop? Probably the latter |
| 03:25.31 | asg | foo: bot |
| 03:25.35 | asg | foo: both, that is |
| 03:25.37 | foo | asg: bot? |
| 03:25.40 | foo | oh |
| 03:25.49 | asg | foo: apt-get install harden-doc (for more info) |
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| 03:26.19 | foo | asg: Is that a firewall or just a document? I think the latter... |
| 03:26.22 | fevel | i have a usb printer, a flashdrive, and a digital camera plugged in the usb, when I try to mount only sda1 recognizes something. All the others it says doesnt exist |
| 03:26.24 | linux-noob | how do I make chown release subdirectories? |
| 03:26.35 | Farhan | -r for recursive? maybe? |
| 03:26.43 | dondelelcaro | linux-noob: with -R, although that's often not exactly what you want to do. |
| 03:26.45 | asg | foo: yes, it's the Debian Hardening HOWTO that covers both minimalizing services and setting up firewalls |
| 03:26.47 | fevel | but even sda1 gives me an error |
| 03:26.49 | dondelelcaro | linux-noob: see find and xargs instead. |
| 03:26.57 | repp_ | wang: you're running a mail server? google harder. |
| 03:27.00 | Miesco | I'll try installing the base system again |
| 03:27.09 | foo | asg: Gocha, thanks |
| 03:27.14 | asg | foo: you're welcome |
| 03:27.18 | Miesco | oasidjfg;asdohf |
| 03:27.24 | Farhan | i was wondering thoug, can i mount a flashdrive? like an 256 mb irever mp3 player. i updated the firmware on it to make it popup in windows like a flash drive. |
| 03:27.30 | Miesco | debootstrap program exited with an error |
| 03:27.39 | asg | Farhan: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 03:27.46 | wang | repp_: not a mail server, but I like it when "You have new mail" echos in the console of BitchX |
| 03:27.50 | repp_ | Miesco: install red hat |
| 03:28.06 | linux-noob | dondelelcaro: why? |
| 03:28.08 | Miesco | repp_: Why |
| 03:28.20 | repp_ | Miesco: it will give you fewer problems than debian |
| 03:28.25 | ivanfrey | My recent apt-get dist-upgrade hosed libpcre.so.3 |
| 03:28.29 | Miesco | repp_: No im okay |
| 03:28.40 | wang | can anyone tell me how to generate a CA certificate via ssl on debian? |
| 03:28.44 | asg | ivanfrey: and what debian version are you running? |
| 03:28.44 | dondelelcaro | linux-noob: because you generally don't want to chown everything; you generally want to chown specific things. |
| 03:29.02 | foo | asg: Hmm, how do I read it? |
| 03:29.07 | ivanfrey | asg: unstable |
| 03:29.13 | dondelelcaro | wang: you use openssl to do so; see the CA.pl script which is included. |
| 03:29.16 | linux-noob | I just want to chown /var/www/* |
| 03:29.16 | repp_ | wang: man openssl |
| 03:29.17 | nemo | http://fuzzie.org/nicer_choices.png <-- debconf questions we never see |
| 03:29.20 | asg | foo: dpkg -L <pkg> ; find where it installed the docs, use a browser or your pager |
| 03:29.24 | asg | ivanfrey: /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:29.36 | wang | dondelelcaro : thanks for the help. |
| 03:29.50 | foo | asg: ah, gocha |
| 03:29.53 | repp_ | linux-noob: chown -R user.group /var/www |
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| 03:31.31 | linux-noob | yeah I did that, I was just explaining the I was doing it in a controled area |
| 03:31.50 | wang | I don't have CA.pl on my box |
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| 03:32.06 | Natman | ... okay, I got my problem figured out! For some reason /var/cache/debconf/tempalates.dat has "testing" as the default in sarge. I think it's bug... but how to know what package to file it for? |
| 03:32.16 | repp_ | wang: yes you do |
| 03:32.24 | dondelelcaro | if you don't have CA.pl, you don't have openssl. |
| 03:32.25 | repp_ | wang: dpkg -L openssl | grep CA.pl |
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| 03:34.32 | linux-noob | Where would I look for information on "sites-available"? |
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| 03:35.16 | Boukensya | hey guys... is there any good opensource projects similar to dreamweaver? |
| 03:35.30 | repp_ | vi |
| 03:35.48 | ivanfrey | asg: sorry about that I just discovered that my system is not mounting my /usr partition. Ouch! Woe onto me! |
| 03:35.54 | Xenguy | Boukensya: nvu |
| 03:35.56 | asg | ivanfrey: :) |
| 03:36.01 | rutski89 | is there a manifest of a bz2 that i can check b4 i extract it? |
| 03:36.15 | repp_ | rutski89: bz2 files do not have a manifest |
| 03:36.18 | asg | rutski89: tar -tjf <foo.bz2> |
| 03:36.22 | Xenguy | Boukensya: er, is worth a look (not exactly the same) |
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| 03:36.46 | Boukensya | cool thanks (: |
| 03:36.56 | Xenguy | yw |
| 03:37.11 | Boukensya | looks ok (: |
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| 03:40.45 | tvn | Boukensya: dreamweaver can be run on wine |
| 03:41.23 | fbi | how can i get my p.d.o smart bookmark back on etch's galeon again? (the one that comes standard with sarge's galeon version) |
| 03:41.28 | Daveman | hey dondelelcaro |
| 03:41.33 | Boukensya | tvn, yeah, but I don't wanna pay for it |
| 03:41.45 | Boukensya | and I like the linux supliments usually |
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| 03:42.29 | ivanfrey | asg: when does the system read my /etc/fstab file and mount the partitions therein? |
| 03:43.11 | asg | ivanfrey: /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 03:43.26 | asg | ivanfrey: there are others also (grep mount /etc/init.d/*) |
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| 03:47.23 | ctp | asg: btw, did we mean the same 2.0.7 vs 3.0 vs 3.1 and EOL? i meant xen, i think, you meant debian, didnt you? |
| 03:48.25 | asg | ctp: I meant Debian, yes. |
| 03:48.43 | asg | ctp: i.e., 3.0 == woody, 3.1 == sarge. |
| 03:49.45 | ctp | asg: ;-) |
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| 03:50.42 | ctp | Natman: are you still here? can i remove bridging completely? in dom0 and domU? |
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| 03:51.13 | Natman | ctp: yes, you can |
| 03:51.21 | PitchForkLinux | hello all, I have some simple networking questions. Any admins out here? |
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| 03:51.48 | ctp | Natman: so domU runs my official ip and domU's 192.168.x.x? |
| 03:51.52 | asg | !tell PitchForkLinux about ask |
| 03:52.00 | FarrisG | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.09 | ctp | Natman: dom0 = official |
| 03:52.29 | repp_ | PitchForkLinux: many. Most will only answer questions if you've done some homework and even then, only if the question is interesting. |
| 03:52.37 | Alvaro | hello, i have a problem with the wmdock. One of the icon aplications disappeared. I move it :S how can i make it appear again? |
| 03:52.51 | asg | FarrisG: unless you have backups, you will have to manually move the files in /lost+found to their real locations. |
| 03:52.57 | linux-noob | how do I see if php is installed |
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| 03:53.16 | asg | linux-noob: installed as a cli interpreter or as an apache module? |
| 03:53.19 | repp_ | linux-noob: dpkg -l php |
| 03:53.24 | Natman | ctp: yup, exactly. |
| 03:53.30 | linux-noob | apache mod sry |
| 03:53.39 | PitchForkLinux | I payed for a domain called www.xxxxxx.com and they host my web site (off site). I want to have my lan using the same qualified name except call it yyyy.xxxx.com is this possible |
| 03:53.41 | asg | linux-noob: dpkg -l libapache-mod-php4 |
| 03:53.56 | litage | when installing debian from an ISO, is it possible to tell it to install a different kernel version? |
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| 03:54.14 | asg | PitchForkLinux: try dyndns.org or a similar service |
| 03:54.23 | ctp | Natman: all based on original xen kernel shipped with 2.0.7? |
| 03:54.32 | Alvaro | hello, i have a problem with the wmdock. One of the icon aplications disappeared. I move it :S how can i make it appear again? |
| 03:54.47 | repp_ | litage: yes, you can tell it to use 2.6 instead of 2.4 |
| 03:54.55 | PitchForkLinux | asg what is dyndns.org? |
| 03:55.06 | repp_ | litage: by specifying "linux26<return>" at the boot prompt, instead of just "<return>" |
| 03:55.19 | Natman | ctp: yup |
| 03:55.19 | linux-noob | so how do I add libapache-mod-php4? |
| 03:55.26 | asg | linux-noob: apt-get install it |
| 03:55.42 | litage | repp_: i was thinking more along the lines "here's 2.6.14 on another drive..use that" |
| 03:55.49 | Natman | ctp: wait... I installed everything from source... but I let the script do whatever it wanted. |
| 03:55.52 | litage | repp_: is something like that possible? |
| 03:55.54 | asg | PitchForkLinux: it can map a dynamic ip to a known domain name. |
| 03:56.03 | ctp | Natman: sounds good ;-) did you get your domU running now? |
| 03:56.06 | fbi | litage: no, you need to make a custom installer to do something like that |
| 03:56.33 | Natman | ctp: Yup, I did. I think I found a bug in debconf or some related package that was causing the troubles. |
| 03:56.40 | Alvaro | hello, i have a problem with the wmdock. One of the icon aplications had disappeared. I moved it :S how can i make it appear again? |
| 03:56.42 | repp_ | litage: usually you just install the one that comes with your iso, then upgrade once you have net access. |
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| 03:57.26 | litage | fbi: is it possible to make a custom installer use 2.6.14? (i ask because the guide custom d-i guide i know of: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt) says devfs is required |
| 03:57.45 | litage | repp_: i unfortunately can't use the kernels that come with any of the ISOs because my hardware's too new |
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| 03:58.31 | ivanfrey | asg: Well I've regained net connectivity. And the packages file has changed. I'm hoping the boot process has been fixed. |
| 03:58.41 | repp_ | litage: So you can install debian, but can't gain net access after the install is done? |
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| 03:58.59 | asg | ivanfrey: *nod* |
| 03:59.19 | litage | repp_: i can't install debian from the ISOs because 2.6.8 doesn't have the right drivers |
| 03:59.36 | repp_ | you can't access your cdrom? |
| 03:59.39 | fbi | litage: try an etch daily build |
| 04:00.44 | litage | fbi: unfortunately i need sarge, too |
| 04:01.06 | ivanfrey | asg: I'm a noob that runs unstable (shame on me), this has happened to me before but I'm a stubborn mule. |
| 04:01.10 | fbi | litage: then you're screwed, sarge will never have a kernel newer than 2.6.8 |
| 04:01.30 | litage | fbi: not true. right now i have sarge running with 2.6.14 using a sarge-backport of yaird |
| 04:01.40 | Alvaro | litage, i had the same problem, i didn't have internet. I solved that, putting de Ubuntu cd installer, that cd recognized me the network, so, i sopped the installation and rboot with de debian cd. and miracle! it reconized my network (sorry, my english...i'm already studing english...) |
| 04:01.43 | fbi | litage: but you didn't get that kernel from the sarge installer. |
| 04:01.46 | litage | fbi: however, that's on a machine with older hardware |
| 04:01.52 | litage | fbi: no, i didn't |
| 04:02.00 | asg | ivanfrey: well, we don't encourage it but if you can work around the problems, you are more than welcome to use it. |
| 04:02.02 | FarrisG | I'll be damned, I did it |
| 04:02.07 | FarrisG | ok... last one |
| 04:02.11 | ivanfrey | asg: problem is I'm addicted to apt-get. |
| 04:02.19 | FarrisG | is there anyway to re-journal an ext2 fs to make it ext3? |
| 04:02.28 | repp_ | FarrisG: tune2fs |
| 04:02.29 | asg | ivanfrey: it works just as well on stable too :) |
| 04:02.37 | repp_ | FarrisG: tune2fs -j /dev/.... |
| 04:02.46 | remyforbes777 | what other alsa modules do i need to get in order to get sound to work |
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| 04:02.52 | litage | Alvaro: no worries about your english. how did booting into ubuntu change anything for booting debian? |
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| 04:03.28 | repp_ | FarrisG: of course, make sure your device is not mounted when you do that, and be check that your /etc/fstab mounts it as "auto" or "ext3" |
| 04:03.30 | fbi | litage: i don't understand what the problem is. you're currently running sarge with an upgraded kernel, but you need another version of sarge with a newer kernel? |
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| 04:03.41 | fbi | why not just install sarge (again) and do the same thing |
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| 04:04.03 | repp_ | litage: I repeat - you cannot access your cdrom on the new hardware? |
| 04:04.42 | Alvaro | litage: i don't know why this fix the problem...yesterday someone here explain me that it was a kernel problem |
| 04:04.53 | Alvaro | i only know that |
| 04:05.03 | repp_ | litage: all you need to do is somehow get the .deb file on your computer. That is the only major hurdle. |
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| 04:05.56 | litage | fbi: i have sarge + 2.6.14 on a PATA HD in a machine with older hardware. i moved the PATA HD into the box with the new hardware, booted, and the kernel supports everything |
| 04:06.14 | litage | fbi: however, i need to raid linux across two SATA drives in the box with the new hardware |
| 04:06.26 | fbi | ah. |
| 04:06.37 | litage | fbi: i can't use a normal debian installer because 2.6.14 is the first kernel that supports the new hardware |
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| 04:06.48 | fbi | yeah, i understand now |
| 04:07.03 | litage | fbi: from my understanding, i have 2 options: |
| 04:07.34 | litage | (1) install from the PATA onto the SATAs using debootstrap, remove the PATA, boot from a SATA, and setup RAID |
| 04:07.53 | litage | (2) create a custom debian install cd, boot it, install onto the SATAs and configure RAID during the installation |
| 04:08.09 | litage | (RAID as in linux software raid using mdadm) |
| 04:08.23 | fbi | i'd go with option 1, as long as your bios supports booting from sata, i don't see why that won't work |
| 04:08.57 | Alvaro | is anybody using WMaker? |
| 04:09.29 | repp_ | litage: yes, fbi's advice is best. Use non-exotic hardware for your / partition. |
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| 04:10.29 | litage | fbi: do you have any experience setting up software RAID with mdadm? i ask because i don't, and i've no idea what's entailed for RAIDing 2 SATAs, 1 of which linux is currently running off of |
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| 04:10.46 | Loof | Is there any way to not display (for 1 run/via the CLI) all the 'held' packages in aptitude? |
| 04:10.54 | b-_-d | etch info page? |
| 04:10.58 | fbi | sorry, no. i've only run ide disks on my desktops |
| 04:11.32 | Loof | litage/fbi: There wouldn't be any difference between ATA/SATA/SCSI for software raid. |
| 04:11.40 | Loof | They're just block devices |
| 04:11.54 | litage | fbi: me too. that's why the custom debian installer option seems enticing, because raid can be setup during installation |
| 04:11.58 | repp_ | Loof: you alacking a lot of context for that conversation. |
| 04:12.30 | Loof | repp_: Probably :) |
| 04:12.37 | litage | Loof: if you've booted off of HD1 and you want to raid HD1 and HD2, how would that work? |
| 04:13.06 | Loof | You set up HD2 as what you want your RAID to be... with 2 drives and 1 missing |
| 04:13.14 | Loof | you get it working... and switch drives |
| 04:13.17 | Loof | thus HD2 = HD1 |
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| 04:13.47 | Loof | AFTER you have it working... then you made 'HD1' (which is now HD2) your 2nd drive in RAID |
| 04:13.59 | litage | Loof: "with 2 drives and 1 missing"? |
| 04:14.04 | Loof | Yep |
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| 04:14.09 | litage | what does that mean? |
| 04:14.19 | Loof | You can make a 2 drive RAID array that starts off degraded |
| 04:14.31 | Loof | if it is raid-1 |
| 04:14.37 | repp_ | litage: if you have the option, then making / be a standard disk will save you a ton of work and pain. If you lose your root partition, who cares, it is just a simple re-install of the base packages. I'll stop harassing you now ... |
| 04:14.37 | Loof | or raid-5 |
| 04:15.34 | Loof | (well, for raid-5 it'd have to be 3 drives+ /w 1 drive missing) |
| 04:15.34 | encompass | Morning everyone |
| 04:15.34 | litage | Loof: i'm just looking for raid 1 |
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| 04:15.42 | encompass | How do I add a link to the aplications menu in gnome? |
| 04:16.04 | fbi | litage: you said the custom installer wants you to use devfs with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:16.48 | Loof | litage: Are your drives currently under LVM? |
| 04:16.55 | litage | fbi: no. the guide i have (http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt) says that devfs is needed |
| 04:17.00 | litage | Loof: no |
| 04:17.03 | Loof | ah |
| 04:17.04 | fbi | that is bizarre. |
| 04:17.14 | fbi | i thought devfs was for pre 2.6 kernels |
| 04:17.16 | Loof | You can do mirroring /w lvm too |
| 04:17.18 | litage | fbi: have you ever created your own custom debian installer? |
| 04:17.21 | Loof | devfs is gone now |
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| 04:17.27 | litage | Loof: yeah i know |
| 04:17.28 | Loof | as of 2.6.14 |
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| 04:17.34 | Loof | udev replaced it |
| 04:17.35 | fbi | litage: not yet, no. the sarge installer has always worked for me |
| 04:17.46 | Loof | either will work for what you want |
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| 04:17.54 | triggerhappy | Hi all |
| 04:18.08 | Loof | So, anyone know how to make aptitude stop telling me about held packages? |
| 04:18.25 | repp_ | Loof: you have a lot of held packages? |
| 04:18.39 | Loof | Basically, I grab certain packages out of testing...and it is always telling me allllll the packages that are new in testing |
| 04:18.56 | repp_ | Loof: apt-pinning? |
| 04:19.06 | Loof | repp: Basically. |
| 04:19.11 | Loof | It's working quite well. |
| 04:19.22 | Loof | But I'm unsure if there is a way to not display the junk |
| 04:19.30 | Loof | I read through the docs and didn't notice anything obvious |
| 04:19.39 | repp_ | Loof: basically, but not apt-pinning? something else? |
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| 04:20.00 | triggerhappy | Anyone here use Debian 3.1 on an Ultra/10 with a creator3D card? |
| 04:20.16 | fbi | !anyone use |
| 04:20.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:20.41 | litage | triggerhappy: you'll get a better response if you ask a real question |
| 04:21.06 | triggerhappy | Alrighty, anyone have any luck getting X to work properly with a creator3d card? |
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| 04:21.18 | Loof | repp_: Uhm, I've never actually heard the term apt-pinning... |
| 04:21.46 | fbi | triggerhappy: sarge? |
| 04:22.04 | repp_ | Loof: google for "apt-pinning" and hit "I'm feeling lucky", there is a very good page describing what it is and how to set it up. It works great for what you are trying to do. |
| 04:22.26 | triggerhappy | fbi: yeah |
| 04:22.57 | repp_ | Loof: and aptitude won't show you a billion new packages. |
| 04:23.04 | Loof | repp_: I set the default-release and set up priorities |
| 04:23.10 | Loof | No, that's not the issue I'm having |
| 04:23.14 | fbi | triggerhappy: i imagine you need xorg instead of xfree86, ask in #xorg first, then you can either install xorg from backports or upgrade your system |
| 04:23.20 | triggerhappy | aight |
| 04:23.27 | Loof | When I WANT to grab a package from testing aptitude -t testing ... |
| 04:23.37 | Loof | I see every package in testing that I've not gotten... it gets annoying |
| 04:23.59 | Loof | I'm just wondering if there's a simple way to hide that...preferably on the command line and not a configuration setting |
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| 04:24.07 | repp_ | oh, don't use -t |
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| 04:24.15 | Garda | hey. if my hard drive keeps turning off all the time. what's the problem |
| 04:24.17 | repp_ | just select the package you want using the versions available. |
| 04:24.30 | triggerhappy | fbi: aight, thanks |
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| 04:24.56 | repp_ | Loof: aptitude shows you a list of versions available for each package, in the package detail screen. You can install a specific version from there. |
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| 04:25.44 | Loof | repp_: I'm not having a problem using it... It's just 'garbage' that gets displayed... packages I'm never going to bring in from testing. |
| 04:26.13 | repp_ | Garda: you probably have a package installed that tries to spin down hard drives in a (misguided) attempt to conserve battery power on a laptop. Find that package and remove it. |
| 04:26.20 | Eu_Fabiano | my instalation finished, but the X cannot be open... i need to reconfigure... how can I do it ? |
| 04:26.31 | fbi | !drxx Eu_Fabiano |
| 04:26.35 | dpkg | Eu_Fabiano: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:27.09 | litage | how do you apply the patches within the linux-patch-debian-2.6.14 package onto linux-source-2.6.14? |
| 04:27.14 | cyzie | yo guys, i have difficulty start up X and i "fixed" that. however, it seem that when i click the kmenu -> all applications link is not there anymore. can anyone help please? |
| 04:27.18 | repp_ | Loof: Sorry, can't help you :/ |
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| 04:27.58 | apacker | has anyone ever tried to install the xvid codec on debian testing? |
| 04:28.13 | apacker | or, perhaps, forced apt-get to install what appears to be xvid plugin for unstable? |
| 04:28.40 | litage | !anyone use |
| 04:28.40 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:28.42 | litage | apacker: you might want to ask your real question |
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| 04:28.50 | cheal | cyzie: ask #debian-kde |
| 04:28.54 | apacker | I want to watch something in xvid. |
| 04:29.01 | Eu_Fabiano | I dont know nothing about linux... there is any way to re-pass the "config-wyzard" same in the instalation ? (im talking about reconfigure X) |
| 04:29.03 | Loof | repp: Here's the line... |
| 04:29.03 | Loof | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 04:29.04 | apacker | I have tried xine and vlc, they do not work. apparently they do not understand the codec. |
| 04:29.22 | apacker | I will paste the error message from xine and the vlc-log from that to #flood, if you like? |
| 04:29.25 | Loof | It then lists every package (other than the one I'm upgrading) that is newer in testing |
| 04:29.28 | litage | Eu_Fabiano: fbi already told you how to reconfigure X |
| 04:29.41 | repp_ | Loof: I'm getting confused about whether you are talking about apt-get or aptitude, or both |
| 04:29.45 | Loof | If I try doing aptitude install <package>/testing |
| 04:29.46 | Loof | aptitude |
| 04:29.52 | Loof | used on the command line |
| 04:29.58 | Loof | NOT using the visual interface |
| 04:30.03 | repp_ | wow, I had no idea you could use aptitude that way, heh |
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| 04:30.12 | Loof | It's quite nice actually |
| 04:30.17 | Loof | not as raw as apt-get |
| 04:30.22 | apacker | so, I repeat my real question: xvid on debian, y/n? |
| 04:30.23 | Loof | not as cumbersome as curses |
| 04:30.29 | repp_ | Loof: does apt-get also display this "garbage"? |
| 04:30.38 | repp_ | apacker: that is not a real question |
| 04:30.54 | Loof | Nope |
| 04:31.01 | Loof | But it also doesn't suggest things, etc. |
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| 04:31.08 | repp_ | apacker: a real question would look like "When I try to install package X, it gives me error Y, can anyone help?" |
| 04:31.17 | Loof | aptitude seems smarter about dependencies... not quite sure if it really is |
| 04:31.26 | apacker | repp_, I try to watch a file encoding with Xvid, and it doesnt work, can anyone help? |
| 04:31.31 | apacker | someone please help me xvid |
| 04:31.34 | apacker | i cannot use xvid codec |
| 04:31.38 | apacker | i would like to install xvid codec |
| 04:31.44 | Daishi | leaving...g'night |
| 04:31.45 | apacker | can someone please help me to install the xvid codec? |
| 04:31.45 | fbi | Loof: it is, especially when dist-upgrading |
| 04:31.48 | apacker | i cannot ask any other way |
| 04:32.08 | apacker | perhaps, "Por favor, ayudame installar xvid en debian testing" |
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| 04:32.40 | repp_ | apacker: I tried to life a coin using nothing but my mind powers earlier today, and it didn't work. Not sure why. Can you help? |
| 04:32.48 | repp_ | s/life/lift/ |
| 04:32.49 | Eu_Fabiano | !drxx |
| 04:32.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:33.06 | apacker | repp_, you really think this is that hard? its a goddamn codec!!! |
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| 04:33.27 | litage | apacker: calm down |
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| 04:33.55 | Eu_Fabiano | what is "drxx" ? |
| 04:33.57 | apacker | I am calm. I tried building xvid into a package as well, but the build failed, I can post that as well. |
| 04:33.59 | apacker | I have tried many things. |
| 04:34.02 | repp_ | apacker: try this: apt-cache search xvid |
| 04:34.08 | repp_ | apacker: then install some of those packages. |
| 04:34.17 | fbi | Eu_Fabiano: it's the name of the factoid. do what dpkg says to reconfigure X. |
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| 04:34.58 | Loof | fbi: So there's good reason to keep using it :) But... how can I get it to stop telling me what few hundred packages are being held back? |
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| 04:35.06 | skypa | mornin |
| 04:35.20 | Eu_Fabiano | thanx |
| 04:35.26 | apacker | repp_, I'm not that much of a n00b - I have libxvidcore 2 and 4 |
| 04:35.28 | skypa | *yawns* |
| 04:35.34 | repp_ | apacker: specific error messages would be a great first step. |
| 04:35.35 | fbi | Loof: no idea, anytime i get held back packages, i just install them afterwards using apt-get install <every held back package> |
| 04:35.43 | fbi | it sounds like you're having a bigger issue though |
| 04:36.08 | apacker | repp_, coming to flood |
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| 04:36.24 | Alvaro | hello, whay i can't install some packages (like znes or azureus) by aptitude? |
| 04:36.44 | Loof | fbi: No, it's not -broken- |
| 04:36.45 | Cyis | got an interesting problem wiht postfix 2.2... I'm using PostgreSQL 8.0 tables ... I updated one of my virtual alias map entries to point to a new destination email address... now when I try to send email to that alias it is still trying to deliver it to the old destination... thoughts? |
| 04:36.50 | repp_ | apacker: I'm there |
| 04:36.54 | fbi | Alvaro: because there are no official packages for those? |
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| 04:37.04 | Loof | try this 'aptitude install -t testing <somepackage>' |
| 04:37.21 | Alvaro | but, i see them in the packages page...:S |
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| 04:37.42 | fbi | !info znes |
| 04:37.46 | Alvaro | ok |
| 04:37.50 | fbi | doesn't exist. |
| 04:37.55 | fbi | !info azureus |
| 04:37.56 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4659 kB, Installed size: 5280 kB |
| 04:38.02 | fbi | bam. |
| 04:38.19 | fbi | unless you are running unstable, you won't see it. |
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| 04:38.35 | blackent | hello |
| 04:38.52 | Alvaro | ahhh ok, i'm on sarge |
| 04:39.10 | fbi | Alvaro: you can try and backport it (good luck) |
| 04:39.15 | Alvaro | thanks ;) |
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| 04:39.35 | mmiikkee12 | i keep getting a could not allocate physical memory error trying to start qemu, any ideas how to fix this? |
| 04:39.54 | blackent | I am using testing, I need kernel sources for my current kernel which is 2.6, I can find out the minor if you want, but there is not even a single 2.6 kernel source that I can see. |
| 04:39.56 | Roots | Buy more physical memory? |
| 04:40.14 | repp_ | blackent: linux-source-2.6? |
| 04:40.31 | blackent | repp_: thats about what I need |
| 04:41.10 | blackent | ooh i'm sorry |
| 04:41.19 | blackent | I kept searching for kernel-source |
| 04:41.24 | blackent | It used to work |
| 04:41.30 | blackent | Ok thanks |
| 04:41.32 | fbi | Alvaro: apparently i am on crack. add "contrib" to your sources.list and you can install azureus |
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| 04:42.22 | nekostar | lol |
| 04:42.52 | Alvaro | ok, thanks ;) |
| 04:42.54 | blackent | Anyways, from a year ago to recently I think Debian has gotten much better in initiall setup and userability |
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| 04:43.13 | secher | what's the util for finding the fastest mirror relative to a node? |
| 04:43.19 | blackent | that's just my opinion of course :) |
| 04:43.33 | repp_ | blackent: yeah, the package names got changed since freebsd was introduced to debian. |
| 04:43.42 | blackent | ohh |
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| 04:43.59 | blackent | that does make sense |
| 04:44.04 | punkass_ | any postfix wizards here? |
| 04:44.18 | repp_ | yeah :) although I've not tried the kfreebsd-source package, it is on my todo list |
| 04:44.21 | blackent | I have a few NetBSD boxes |
| 04:44.24 | punkass_ | i know there is #postfix... but the room is dead |
| 04:44.41 | repp_ | punkass_: depends on what you want to do |
| 04:44.50 | fbi | repp_: the new kbsd installer is frickin' awesome. |
| 04:45.05 | punkass_ | .i want to have info@domaina.com and info@domainb.com on the same machine....i am curious how one would check there email since they are virtual address |
| 04:45.28 | punkass_ | since normally users have a unix acccount with username/passwords assigned to them |
| 04:45.28 | repp_ | fbi: cool, well now I have no reason to avoid it then! :) |
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| 04:45.50 | nekostar | all i got to say is debian is fucking pimp |
| 04:46.10 | secher | nekostar: you're preaching to the choir. |
| 04:46.14 | punkass_ | lol |
| 04:46.34 | blackent | I like the new FreeBSD logos |
| 04:46.38 | repp_ | punkass_: ... they were being delivered to the "info" user? Or did you have an alias? or were you using the "virtual" mapping file? |
| 04:46.54 | secher | Egad. Just got my 10Mb/s DSL today.. WOW. |
| 04:47.02 | nekostar | lol secher |
| 04:47.02 | repp_ | punkass_: er, sorry, I was switching tenses |
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| 04:47.09 | nekostar | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo nice secher |
| 04:47.16 | nekostar | now YOUR preaching to the choir |
| 04:47.17 | nekostar | lol |
| 04:47.20 | punkass_ | repp_:i have virtual_mailboxes setup |
| 04:47.29 | fbi | secher: gimme a shell! |
| 04:47.35 | repp_ | punkass_: so yeah, use the "virtual" map file, that way you can pick which emails at which domains go to which users. |
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| 04:47.56 | secher | fbi: oddly enough, I would do that, however, I don't know you well enough. Sorry. |
| 04:48.09 | punkass_ | so there are getting delivered to /var/spool/vmail/domaina.com/user /var/spool/vmail/domainb.com/user |
| 04:48.16 | fbi | i was kidding. i wouldn't even know what to do with it heh. i've got like 15 |
| 04:48.42 | punkass_ | repp_: but i am curious on how to access the mail if there is no user info since its a virtual address |
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| 04:48.55 | mmiikkee12 | i keep getting a could not allocate physical memory error trying to start qemu, any ideas how to fix this? |
| 04:49.05 | Cyis | maybe me moving to postfix from sendmail wasn't as good as I thought... now I'm having a problem I never had with sendmail |
| 04:49.07 | secher | fbi: Oh, ok, I don't feel badly then. Thanks for alleviating my guilt. |
| 04:49.15 | fbi | mmiikkee12: upgrade your ram? |
| 04:49.22 | mmiikkee12 | ? |
| 04:49.25 | repp_ | punkass_: mutt -f /var/spool/vmail/domaina.com/user |
| 04:49.39 | Jaxxan | to install a debian kernel with apt-get i just type ' apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-11--em65t-p4-smp ' right ? |
| 04:49.43 | Jaxxan | and that's it ? |
| 04:49.46 | fbi | mmiikkee12: look at that error closely, and figure it out. |
| 04:49.48 | mmiikkee12 | shouldn't have to... it's a 1.44mb floppy image and only 1 other program running.... |
| 04:49.59 | mmiikkee12 | fbi: it ran on windows |
| 04:50.07 | secher | Cyis: I've tried exim, postfix and sendmail, and I keep ending up with sendmail. it's the jfw version, imho. |
| 04:50.10 | mmiikkee12 | so that proves i have plenty of ram |
| 04:50.11 | punkass_ | repp: heh yeah i guess i could do that...but what about through squirrelmail |
| 04:50.13 | mmiikkee12 | :P |
| 04:50.23 | punkass_ | or pop which both require a username and password |
| 04:50.38 | blackent | whats the package name for kernel headers? |
| 04:50.59 | mmiikkee12 | kernel-headers-versionhere |
| 04:51.01 | secher | what's the util for finding the fastest mirror relative to a node? |
| 04:51.03 | blackent | ok cool |
| 04:51.06 | Cyis | secher: my problem is that I have my virtual_alias_maps going to a PostgreSQL table... I updated the destination for a virtual alias and the mail is still trying to be sent to the old destination |
| 04:51.08 | repp_ | punkass_: well, you're going to need to put some thought into how you want to set up mail. As you make things more complicated, your headaches will increase. My recommendation to you is not to do this weird /var/spool/vmail thing, and just deliver to specific users. |
| 04:51.30 | mmiikkee12 | look in apitude under base |
| 04:51.35 | punkass_ | repp_:the idea being that i have one person accesss info@domaina.com and someone else to info@domainb.com |
| 04:51.36 | mmiikkee12 | it's easier to fid |
| 04:51.39 | mmiikkee12 | find |
| 04:51.40 | Cyis | it's as if the previous destination address is stored somewhere but I can't figure out where |
| 04:51.47 | punkass_ | repp_: i would love to keep it as simple as i can ;) |
| 04:51.48 | repp_ | punkass_: ie, /var/spool/mail/$USER , which can be done using the /etc/postfix/virtual file |
| 04:51.49 | fbi | blackent: you probably want "linux-headers" |
| 04:51.53 | mmiikkee12 | or apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 04:52.02 | blackent | if synaptic will open... |
| 04:52.08 | repp_ | punkass_: using that file, you can have mail for one domain go to one user, and mail for another domain go to another user. |
| 04:52.14 | blackent | can i just apt-get install kernel-headers? |
| 04:52.18 | fbi | blackent: testing? |
| 04:52.22 | blackent | yeah |
| 04:52.25 | mmiikkee12 | no, you have to have a version |
| 04:52.27 | fbi | linux-headers |
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| 04:52.38 | blackent | ok then I rely on snyaptic for that |
| 04:52.53 | punkass_ | repp_:ok...but when they reply to the mail with it send with the correct address? |
| 04:53.00 | secher | Cyis: Hrm. dunno. sorry I can't help on that. did you do somethin as simple as grep for the addy? |
| 04:53.09 | repp_ | punkass_: well, that is up to the program they are sending with. that has nothing to do with postfix. |
| 04:53.35 | mmiikkee12 | and fbi, there are no linux-headers-* packages |
| 04:53.36 | repp_ | punkass_: many programs have support for that.. not sure about squirrelmail though, squirrelmail is pretty simple (and rightly so!) |
| 04:53.45 | Cyis | secher: not sure where I'd start grep'ing... the data is in PostgreSQL and the query against PostgreSQL returns the new info... |
| 04:53.52 | fbi | mmiikkee12: in testing/unstable, it's linux-headers. |
| 04:53.56 | mmiikkee12 | oh |
| 04:54.00 | mmiikkee12 | sarge here... |
| 04:54.10 | Cyis | my main.cf is fairly simple I think... |
| 04:54.15 | mmiikkee12 | actually a funky sarge/testing hybrid |
| 04:54.17 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 04:54.45 | blackent | and apt isn't broken? |
| 04:55.35 | Cyis | http://pastebin.com/425185 <-- my main.cf |
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| 04:56.13 | blackent | what is the extra tar option for bzip2s? |
| 04:56.18 | repp_ | punkass_: You want http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#virtual_alias |
| 04:56.27 | blackent | p? |
| 04:56.29 | repp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.34 | punkass_ | repp_:heh ive been there all day ;) |
| 04:56.35 | blackent | ok |
| 04:56.52 | cookiecaper | Is there an HTML editor for Linux that will let me edit files directly on the server, analagous to the FTP features in Crimson Editor? Bluefish says it can do it, but it sucks at it. |
| 04:56.54 | repp_ | punkass_: yeah, don't do http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#virtual_mailbox |
| 04:57.17 | repp_ | punkass_: because you'll have a hard time finding clients that can real those locations without a lot of extra work. |
| 04:57.17 | tvn | cookiecaper: emacs |
| 04:57.54 | punkass_ | repp_: yeah i am started to see that |
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| 04:57.56 | tvn | cookiecaper: I believe Eclipse can do it too but it's a huge IDE and seems to be too much for a simple task such as editing file . |
| 04:57.56 | repp_ | tvn: no, vi! |
| 04:58.27 | cookiecaper | hmm ok thank you ^_^. emacs isn't small either, says it will take 44 MB |
| 04:58.53 | blackent | dude I got this lappy today and it came with windows and a hell of a lot of bloated software ontop the bloated OS, it ran so F'n slow, and it took 10GB out of 40 right off the bat, now i'm on gnome and life is good and fast |
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| 04:59.18 | tvn | cookiecaper: emacs21-nox |
| 04:59.22 | Agrajag- | cookiecaper: i know with gftp you can tell it whatever editor you like to use and then 'edit' a remote file, when you quit the app it automatically uploads the tmp one you've been editing |
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| 05:01.06 | blackent | how do I make a sym link from linux-kernel blah blah to linux? |
| 05:01.13 | deadcat | ln |
| 05:01.24 | blackent | what switch? |
| 05:01.26 | repp_ | -s |
| 05:01.42 | deadcat | the f is switch? |
| 05:01.51 | blackent | so ln -s /usr/src/source /usr/src/linux? |
| 05:01.55 | deadcat | try it |
| 05:01.57 | blackent | do i need to make the dir? |
| 05:02.01 | repp_ | try it |
| 05:02.10 | deadcat | how lazy are you NOT to man ln, ln is NOT mplayer with all those options |
| 05:02.29 | blackent | well I did it and it din't work |
| 05:02.32 | linux-noob | what package do I need for mysql on apache2? |
| 05:02.39 | bwlang | i'm thinking about keeping a simple blog where i write out the stupid tech tricks that I learn... that way i can search it if i forget stuff and maybe save somebody else some time... which software is simplest? |
| 05:02.39 | blackent | so i mustve missed something |
| 05:02.40 | deadcat | you dont know ln and you're fuckig with a kernel? oh shit |
| 05:02.44 | blackent | trying to clarify |
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| 05:02.59 | blackent | deadcat: you need to give your dead mother head |
| 05:03.08 | deadcat | blackent: calm down. |
| 05:03.14 | repp_ | bwlang: blogger.com |
| 05:03.28 | streuner | blackent: why do you think you need a custom kernel? |
| 05:03.43 | deadcat | blackent: but i am correct about the kernel part right? you ARE gonna fuck things up |
| 05:03.48 | deadcat | streuner: hes leet |
| 05:03.49 | bwlang | repp_ : i was planning to run it myself |
| 05:04.00 | repp_ | bwlang: you said you wanted simple - that is simple. |
| 05:04.00 | linux-noob | what package do I need for mysql on apache2? |
| 05:04.10 | streuner | <streuner> blackent: why do you think you need a custom kernel? |
| 05:04.27 | linux-noob | or where can I get a list of available packages? |
| 05:04.28 | blackent | PhobosDeimos:/usr/src# ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12/ /usr/src/linux/ |
| 05:04.28 | blackent | PhobosDeimos:/usr/src# ls linux |
| 05:04.28 | blackent | linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 05:04.28 | blackent | this is not what i expected |
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| 05:04.30 | repp_ | linux-noob: mysql and apache2 are two difference concepts, not connected. |
| 05:04.33 | litage | how do you apply the patches within the linux-patch-debian-2.6.14 package onto linux-source-2.6.14? |
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| 05:04.52 | bwlang | repp_: yea... i wasn't clear - i guess i mean simple but running it in debian... |
| 05:04.58 | deadcat | blijblijblij: man ln.. dude you're dumb |
| 05:05.10 | repp_ | blastnost: hahahaha |
| 05:05.16 | repp_ | blacke: hahaha |
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| 05:05.29 | deadcat | HAHAHA. his fucking nick |
| 05:05.31 | repp_ | good god, too many people in here starting with bl.. .black... |
| 05:05.36 | blackent | hello |
| 05:05.39 | linux-noob | repp_: yeah, I know that, but you didn't answer my question |
| 05:05.39 | encompass | what is the gnome menu editor in debian? |
| 05:05.42 | streuner | blackent: /topic |
| 05:05.58 | deadcat | blackent: man ln.. dude you're dumb |
| 05:06.00 | repp_ | linux-noob: yes, actually I did... the answer to your question is "be more specific about what you want" |
| 05:06.01 | streuner | blackent: Don't paste here, use #flood or the paster bot, thanks. |
| 05:06.22 | punkass_ | repp_: if i could pick your brain again, all you need is to add: virtual_alias_domains = myotherdomain.com to the main.cf file to allow mail to come in for it? as i am getting a Relay Access Denied message |
| 05:06.25 | rapsys | what is the flag to make sed 's/something/other/' work when something is a multi-line pattern |
| 05:06.26 | rapsys | ? |
| 05:06.35 | streuner | blackent: ok, you think you need 2.6.12, what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:06.40 | linux-noob | you linux ppl are so anal, you act like I should automatically know everything... I want MySQL... that I DID make clear |
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| 05:06.48 | repp_ | blackent: the /usr/src/linux dir must not exist when you create the link, otherwise it will make the link *in* the directory |
| 05:06.53 | blackent | ok anyways ln -s made /linux have the contents of /linux/linux-2.6.x.xx.xx |
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| 05:06.59 | blackent | ok |
| 05:07.02 | repp_ | linux-noob: OK. MySQL is a database. Apache2 is a webserver. |
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| 05:07.17 | linux-noob | I KNOW THAT!!! |
| 05:07.20 | repp_ | linux-noob: now. What are you doing with the two of them? |
| 05:07.38 | repp_ | linux-noob: there's no such thing as "mysql on apache2", it doesn't make any sense. |
| 05:07.40 | linux-noob | I'm not new to apache/mysql just LINUX |
| 05:07.58 | linux-noob | you got my fucking point tho!!! |
| 05:08.01 | deadcat | linux-noob: well you are new (= |
| 05:08.08 | repp_ | linux-noob: no I really don't have any idea at all |
| 05:08.09 | deadcat | thats what we know |
| 05:08.11 | linux-noob | TO LINUX |
| 05:08.15 | deadcat | NEW |
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| 05:08.25 | punkass_ | linux-noob: this what you want: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql - Apache 2 module for MySQL authentication |
| 05:08.51 | encompass | linux-noob: you need a middle program to make the two programs talk together if I am not mistaken... like PHP Perl or Python |
| 05:09.07 | greenwom | help!! |
| 05:09.08 | streuner | !tell blackent about kp |
| 05:09.12 | linux-noob | how do I find what package are available |
| 05:09.14 | deadcat | linux-noob: you need to compile a custom kernel |
| 05:09.29 | repp_ | oh, authenticating web surfers with a mysql database? or a web app running on apache that uses mysql? or maybe you are looking for a web front-end to mysql, such as phpmyadmin |
| 05:09.31 | deadcat | linux-noob: aptitude |
| 05:09.41 | encompass | linux-noob: use synaptics package manager |
| 05:09.42 | punkass_ | apt-cache search apache will give you most packages related to apache |
| 05:09.43 | streuner | blackent: read the last URL mentioned in the factoid |
| 05:09.56 | deadcat | encompass: what makes you think he has GUI? |
| 05:09.59 | repp_ | punkass_: sorry, juse a sec |
| 05:10.03 | encompass | he is new |
| 05:10.07 | greenwom | I just install damn-small-linux on an old laptop, I need to install the packages so I can use dpkg what do I need to get |
| 05:10.10 | deadcat | TO LINUX |
| 05:10.11 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:10.24 | streuner | greenwom: we are in #debian |
| 05:10.28 | repp_ | deadcat: haha |
| 05:10.30 | deadcat | greenwom: #dsl |
| 05:10.39 | greenwom | damn-S-l is debian based |
| 05:10.42 | encompass | greenwom: we have no idea how to use dsl |
| 05:10.50 | deadcat | greenwom: shit is based on food. you eat shit? |
| 05:10.50 | streuner | !debian based |
| 05:10.50 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 05:11.27 | greenwom | hey just thought I'd ask an active group.... bastards |
| 05:11.40 | repp_ | deadcat: rofl |
| 05:11.42 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:11.49 | rapsys | what it the command to do multiple line maching with sed plz ? |
| 05:11.50 | deadcat | repp_: 2 in a row? hehe |
| 05:12.03 | deadcat | rapsys: try perl. might be easier. |
| 05:12.12 | streuner | deadcat: this logic has something :-) |
| 05:12.17 | rapsys | I know that's a s/pattern/replacement/ but I miss flag to make it work on all lines... |
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| 05:12.40 | repp_ | punkass_: ok, now you have my attention |
| 05:12.42 | deadcat | streuner: it just came up because i am piss at those morons |
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| 05:13.01 | punkass_ | repp_: hehe thanks |
| 05:13.14 | deadcat | rapsys: explain CLEARLY what you want to do again |
| 05:13.14 | punkass_ | repp_:want me to repost my question/ |
| 05:13.29 | repp_ | it is just so funny how people think they can just *poof* make stuff work overnight by getting other people to magically know what they need to do |
| 05:13.32 | repp_ | punkass_: please |
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| 05:13.53 | punkass_ | repp_: i believe all you need is to add: virtual_alias_domains = myotherdomain.com to the main.cf file to allow mail to come in for it? as i am getting a Relay Access Denied message |
| 05:13.59 | rapsys | deadcat: I want to do a sed 's/some multi line pattern/replacement/' on some file |
| 05:14.09 | repp_ | punkass_: ok, I'll look at my config and get back to you in a minute |
| 05:14.16 | punkass_ | thanks |
| 05:14.30 | deadcat | rapsys: have you man sed? let me try \n, or perl is the better way to go |
| 05:14.42 | rapsys | deadcat: I man sed |
| 05:14.44 | repp_ | punkass_: ok, so all you need is "virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual |
| 05:14.47 | repp_ | " |
| 05:14.49 | rapsys | but nothing about this flags |
| 05:15.03 | punkass_ | repp_: hmm ok i have that setup |
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| 05:15.44 | repp_ | punkass_: ok, and you build the virtual file, and ran "postmap virtual" |
| 05:15.52 | punkass_ | yup |
| 05:16.17 | repp_ | and in fact, grep virtual main.cf shows only one line? |
| 05:16.18 | punkass_ | actually i have: virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual |
| 05:16.26 | deadcat | rapsys: i cant come up with the multi line regex off the top of my head because i havent done much perl stuff in a while. but #perl will give up the answer you want |
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| 05:16.50 | repp_ | punkass_: yeah, just virtual_maps should be enough |
| 05:16.58 | rapsys | deadcat: in fact i try to get the ld default link script |
| 05:17.38 | deadcat | ? |
| 05:17.56 | deadcat | not into ld or compiling stuff |
| 05:18.28 | litage | Loof: do you know of any guides or tutorials on how to setup RAID with mdadm? |
| 05:18.44 | repp_ | punkass_: oh, looks like the web page with the sample of "virtuals" file is wrong |
| 05:18.51 | repp_ | er, virtual |
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| 05:19.32 | punkass_ | repp_:in what way? |
| 05:19.55 | repp_ | punkass_: it is 80% correct... |
| 05:20.10 | punkass_ | lol...well that makes for a painful 20% |
| 05:20.11 | repp_ | punkass_: how it works is, the file is split up into a bunch of stanzas |
| 05:20.19 | repp_ | punkass_: each stanza begins with |
| 05:20.33 | remedy | someone point me in direction of usin USB mouse in X/gpm please |
| 05:20.43 | deadcat | !usbmouse |
| 05:20.43 | dpkg | from memory, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 05:20.56 | repp_ | punkass_: "domain.com foo" and by "foo" that's exactly what I mean |
| 05:20.56 | streuner | !listkeys gpm |
| 05:20.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'gpm' by key (9): gpm ;; gpm repeater ;; x+gpm ;; gpm+x ;; elf gpm ;; gpmdata ;; gpm-x ;; gpm2 ;; gpm3. |
| 05:21.32 | repp_ | punkass_: then you have the "uname@domain.com user" mappings, and a catch-all if you like "@domain.com user", then the next stanza |
| 05:21.52 | repp_ | punkass_: this is all documented in "man virtual", but I have to admit, it isn't very clear at all. |
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| 05:23.58 | blackent | woooot it works! |
| 05:23.59 | repp_ | remedy: wow looks complicated eh? It really isn't that complicated at all, because all you have to do is... |
| 05:24.15 | punkass_ | repp_: so can i use one virtual file for multiple domains? |
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| 05:24.25 | blackent | I've done the impossible install ATI drivers on a Linux Lappy! |
| 05:24.38 | blackent | time for some tuxracer |
| 05:24.43 | blackent | thanks guys |
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| 05:24.54 | deadcat | blackent: impossible? you crazy |
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| 05:25.05 | deadcat | he has low expectation on his ass |
| 05:25.37 | repp_ | remedy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:25.45 | repp_ | punkass_: yes |
| 05:26.19 | remedy | repp, i've done it, changed the protocol & device, and use gpmdata for x, as i was before, simple |
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| 05:26.50 | repp_ | remedy: ok |
| 05:27.00 | repp_ | remedy: dpkg's data is a little out of data (the bot that is) |
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| 05:27.58 | streuner | repp_: feel free to edit it |
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| 05:29.35 | punkass_ | repp_: got it working...thanks for your help..much appriciated. |
| 05:29.36 | dvsdude | hello all |
| 05:29.51 | repp_ | punkass_: great, you're welcome |
| 05:30.10 | mehul | tell java |
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| 05:30.56 | mehul | hmmm ok that didn't work. |
| 05:31.00 | dvsdude | !jaqva |
| 05:31.03 | dvsdude | !java |
| 05:31.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 05:31.27 | mehul | thanks dvsdude |
| 05:31.35 | dvsdude | mehul, np |
| 05:32.12 | repp_ | dpkg append ipw2200 use the 2.2 firmware for the 2.6.14 kernel |
| 05:32.18 | streuner | Can someone reach linuks.mine.nu? |
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| 05:32.38 | repp_ | hmm, that didn't do much... |
| 05:32.46 | dvsdude | streuner, no |
| 05:32.53 | streuner | hm |
| 05:32.58 | EdibleText | 64 bytes from 80-219-75-140.dclient.hispeed.ch (80.219.75.140): icmp_seq=9 ttl=48 time=135 ms |
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| 05:33.26 | dvsdude | streuner, dns down ? |
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| 05:33.41 | repp_ | streuner: is there a dpkg bot tutorial? I'm wary of poking it with random commands until I learn it. |
| 05:33.44 | streuner | PING linuks.mine.nu (80.219.75.140): 56 data bytes, 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 05:33.53 | dvsdude | streuner, The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. |
| 05:34.15 | dvsdude | streuner, i take it it shouldnt be down is it ur site |
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| 05:34.40 | repp_ | I can ping linuks.mine.nu just fine |
| 05:34.58 | streuner | So its not a DNS issue |
| 05:35.22 | dvsdude | streuner, my proxy says connection refused |
| 05:35.22 | streuner | tarzeau: are you here? |
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| 05:36.27 | Boukensya | I have a web server that has websites in /home/www/*.com/org/net etc.. (whatever the website is) |
| 05:36.48 | punkass_ | repp_:one more for ya, so when i reply the mail comes from domaina.com not domainb.com, is that up to squirrelmail to set the from address..even tho in the header its still domaina.com ? |
| 05:36.58 | Boukensya | I want the owner of the website to be able to ftp into it and change and edit things within their website, but not give them proper accounts |
| 05:37.03 | Boukensya | how do I do that |
| 05:37.42 | repp_ | punkass_: Yup. squirrelmail has to tell the mail sender (sendmail?) what domain it is sending as (by setting the From: address properly, usually) - I'm not a squirrelmail expert tho. |
| 05:38.05 | repp_ | punkass_: and by sendmail I mean, of course, /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 05:38.13 | skypa | create ftp account where the user is chrooted to a certain directory Boukensya |
| 05:38.16 | skypa | +a |
| 05:38.17 | punkass_ | repp_: ok, thanks again.. gotcha |
| 05:38.41 | Boukensya | skypa, so I would still have to go through the "adduser" steps? |
| 05:38.57 | repp_ | Boukensya: another possibility is to consider using DAV |
| 05:38.57 | skypa | depends, there are ftpds with virtual user databases |
| 05:39.07 | Boukensya | repp_, whats DAV? |
| 05:39.18 | skypa | pureftpd support virtual user account iirc |
| 05:39.21 | skypa | +s |
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| 05:39.44 | peterS | Boukensya: he means WebDAV, which is another file transfer protocol that sits on top of HTTP and thus runs from of your web server |
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| 05:39.59 | repp_ | Boukensya: mod_dav presents a file system via the web server; some web and file browsers can then browse the "server" as if it were a share. Such as IE. |
| 05:40.02 | dvsdude | Boukensya, http://www.ics.uci.edu/~webdav/ |
| 05:40.04 | peterS | Boukensya: Windows Explorer supports it natively (also supports ftp). there's an apache2 module for it |
| 05:40.26 | peterS | Boukensya: the name stands for Distributed Authoring and Versioning, which isn't particularly accurate, but oh well |
| 05:41.09 | repp_ | Boukensya: the entire idea behind WebDAV is to allow authors to author content without having user accounts and through a simple interface |
| 05:41.19 | repp_ | you can put webdav on ssl too :D |
| 05:41.28 | repp_ | since it sits on https |
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| 05:42.00 | peterS | the *real* point of DAV is to replace FTP with something that runs over HTTP, so that you can sneak past your network administrators who put pesky firewalls on your network borders |
| 05:42.08 | peterS | God forbid we actually *cooperate* with our netadmins |
| 05:42.16 | repp_ | no need to make extra work |
| 05:42.18 | peterS | I mean, it's not like we're working for the same company or anything |
| 05:42.37 | repp_ | we all know that netadmins are terribly slow at doing anything |
| 05:42.56 | Boukensya | so I guess there are no webdav debian packages from apt-get (without going external)? |
| 05:43.02 | peterS | repp_: well, if they have a firewall at the border it's probably for a reason. this sneaking past them rather than working with them seems really counterproductive to me |
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| 05:43.20 | peterS | repp_: (this is my theory of why so many protocols are tunneled over http these days) |
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| 05:43.30 | repp_ | peterS: I consider it to be totally productive - you don't make extra work for the admin, and you keep things simple for the user. What's wrong with that? |
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| 05:43.57 | peterS | repp_: what's wrong is that maybe they have a *reason* to want to firewall the network. maybe they want to be *consulted* when you intend to expose a possibly insecure service to the world |
| 05:44.03 | dvsdude | repp_, yeh so when something goes wrong and u lose your job dont cry |
| 05:44.11 | peterS | repp_: I mean, if they didn't care, they wouldn't have the firewall in the first place |
| 05:44.23 | Boukensya | what would I need to do to setup webdav (easiest way)? |
| 05:44.34 | peterS | Boukensya: install libapache2-mod-dav and follow the instructions, I guess |
| 05:44.43 | repp_ | peterS: hoho, that's funny. Time for the admin to wake up to the reality that any data can pass through a port on a firewall. |
| 05:44.51 | peterS | Boukensya: I haven't set it up myself, so maybe someone else can give you more specifics. it does require installing apache2, as opposed to apache |
| 05:44.53 | litage | why would ``fdisk -l /dev/sda'' show /dev/sda2, but ``cfdisk /dev/sda'' doesn't show /dev/sda2? |
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| 05:45.15 | Boukensya | peterS, I use apache2 (: |
| 05:45.20 | peterS | repp_: so you support not using firewalls, then, because it's possible to sneak protocols through http? that's funny too |
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| 05:46.01 | darkmanxx | which domain registrar do you guys recommend..that allows good control of dns, and is just a good place to register.. |
| 05:46.02 | peterS | litage: possibly the partition table is something other than a MSDOS format one, and fdisk understands it but cfdisk doesn't |
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| 05:46.07 | Boukensya | ooh its actually included with apache2 now |
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| 05:46.28 | repp_ | peterS: no, I don't thing we shouldn't have firewalls, I'm just saying that if any admin thinks they've blocked all traffic except static http content by only allowing port 80, it's time to wake up. |
| 05:46.28 | peterS | litage: there are about a dozen partition table formats known to the Linux kernel. I don't know which ones are supported by fdisk |
| 05:46.33 | dorto | what is the difference between fdisk and cfdisk? |
| 05:46.42 | mmiikkee12 | cfdisk is easier to use |
| 05:46.47 | dorto | oh |
| 05:46.54 | Xenguy | dorto: cfdisk is more user friendly |
| 05:46.56 | mmiikkee12 | fdisk makes you type stuff at a prompt |
| 05:46.57 | peterS | repp_: in other words you're saying it's *good* to have server admins sneaking past netadmins, and netadmins trying to catch them and tighten their firewalls |
| 05:47.05 | repp_ | peterS: the 'net is moving away from a "i write/you read" model to a "i read/write, you read/write, we rock" model |
| 05:47.14 | dorto | will try cfdisk sometime then |
| 05:47.28 | dorto | repp_: hahahaha |
| 05:47.34 | peterS | repp_: dude. the net has *always* been peer-to-peer. only in the past few years have people gotten the impression that there are 'servers' and 'clients' and ne'er the twain shall meet |
| 05:47.37 | Xenguy | dorto: it is debian's default tool for partitioning during installs |
| 05:47.50 | dvsdude | darkmanxx, most domain registar will let u spec your own dns ip and then u could run ur own in australia i use melbourneit.com.au |
| 05:47.52 | dorto | oh that one :) |
| 05:47.59 | Xenguy | !u |
| 05:48.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:48.21 | Boukensya | darkmanxx, I use www.godaddy.com -- they are very cheap and amazingly good |
| 05:48.25 | repp_ | peterS: Look, that is a conversation that needs to happen between the netadmin and the serveradmin, and needs to be judged on the situation. I'm not about to make an all-encompassing rule "thou shalt not DAV". |
| 05:48.41 | dorto | yeah...godaddy seems to be the most popular ones |
| 05:49.03 | Boukensya | like 6.95 for a domain right now, thats sooo cheap |
| 05:49.06 | dvsdude | !ewe |
| 05:49.06 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 05:49.20 | repp_ | peterS: and if the netadmin is getting in the way, it is totally fine for the serveradmin to use a technology beyond their control. |
| 05:49.22 | peterS | repp_: it should, certainly. and DAV on its own merits might be OK. but the idea of designing it explicitly so as to make it easy to subvert the wishes of the netadmins seemed to me to be counterproductive. they could have just given it its own TCP port and made life easier for the netadmins. why they didn't is a good question |
| 05:49.36 | Xenguy | * sheep look up... |
| 05:49.49 | repp_ | peterS: netadmins that think they are god are in the way of people trying to get shit done, and they will flow around the block like a river around a stone. |
| 05:49.54 | darkmanxx | which registrars do you guys recommend, or use? |
| 05:50.38 | repp_ | peterS: and what of web services? I suppose you think they should be banned as well? |
| 05:51.06 | dorto | darkmanxx: hasn't been your question answered by so many? |
| 05:51.08 | peterS | repp_: it sounds like you've had unfortunate experiences with coworkers, and you're still a bit bitter about it. I'm sorry to hear that. but it was a choice between making something easy to control with a firewall, or hard to control with a firewall. they picked the hard alternative, and I don't see why. |
| 05:51.24 | deadcat | !drm |
| 05:51.24 | dpkg | i guess drm is a cool new video card feature in the 2.4 kernel -- http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Restrictions Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp |
| 05:51.41 | repp_ | peterS: well, you are arguing that a netadmin is responsible for the information that comes and goes in/out of a company. They aren't. |
| 05:51.43 | peterS | repp_: it's as though the firewall vendors were participating in development of "web services" and webdav so they could sell firewall software upgrades, or something |
| 05:51.44 | darkmanxx | hey i apologize, but i dont know how to scroll up in ircii |
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| 05:52.01 | peterS | darkmanxx: in irssi it's just the PgUp key. maybe ircii is similar |
| 05:52.09 | Xenguy | exactly -- digital restrictions management |
| 05:52.27 | fbi | darkmanxx: /lastlog |
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| 05:52.36 | peterS | repp_: and yes, I think "web services" suffer from the same philosophical problem. there's no reason for the "web" in "web services", particularly |
| 05:52.40 | dvsdude | isnt intel doing somthing with drm buildt into there new chips |
| 05:52.52 | repp_ | peterS: and you know what? In every large company, small ones too, there are people that love red tape. And then there are people that respect security, but can't wait around for busy people to cater to their demands. I am one of the latter. |
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| 05:53.07 | repp_ | And quite frankly, that's why I have my job. I flow around problems. |
| 05:53.14 | peterS | repp_: ahh, you're one of *those*. I get it now |
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| 05:53.47 | repp_ | Yes, I am your headache. Haha. |
| 05:54.01 | peterS | not mine, dude, not mine. I'm not the netadmin you're so bitter about. |
| 05:54.36 | Xenguy | dvsdude: check out fsf.org |
| 05:54.45 | Xenguy | dvsdude: re drm |
| 05:55.05 | peterS | the funny thing, actually, is that in these situations usually both parties think the other party is incompetent. it's impossible to say who's right, if not both, without more information. so, repp_, you've got maybe a 50% chance of not being the idiot there (: |
| 05:55.05 | ideal | What command can get which program is using the special port? |
| 05:55.09 | dorto | most of the netadmins follow blanket rules without trying to understand what's good for their network |
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| 05:55.11 | repp_ | peterS: well.. it sounds to me like you are confusing "netadmin" with "security officer" |
| 05:55.21 | dli | ideal, fuser 22/tcp |
| 05:55.31 | litage | i created these partitions in fdisk (not cfdisk): /boot, /, /usr, /var/log, /home, /tmp, swap. however, when i show the partition table in fdisk, it lists 8 partitions: 7 of type linux, and 1 (/dev/sda2) as type Extended. i didn't create an extended partition though... |
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| 05:55.55 | repp_ | ideal: netstat -pan |
| 05:56.01 | peterS | litage: you have to understand MSDOS partition tables |
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| 05:56.05 | ideal | thanks dli, repp_ |
| 05:56.10 | peterS | litage: that, or just ignore the 'extended' one. it's perfectly normal |
| 05:56.15 | dvsdude | Xenguy, f**kn m$ they just want it all they shit me to the wall |
| 05:56.35 | litage | peterS: k |
| 05:56.40 | Xenguy | dvsdude: huh |
| 05:56.41 | peterS | litage: a MSDOS partition table can only have 4 entries in it, maximum. if you have more partitions than that, they have to go inside an "extended partition". so that's what you have. |
| 05:57.00 | Xenguy | dvsdude: oh, drm, yeh |
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| 05:57.35 | dvsdude | Xenguy, yeh the monopoly kings are at it again maybe we should all just roll over and kiss gates arse NOT! |
| 05:57.41 | litage | peterS: ah, sda2 is the extended which contains multiple logicals? |
| 05:57.45 | dli | peterS, can we use non-dos partition tables? |
| 05:57.47 | peterS | litage: yes |
| 05:57.59 | peterS | dli: sure, if your kernel is compiled to support them and you have the tools to create them |
| 05:58.02 | litage | peterS: awesome possum |
| 05:58.09 | peterS | dli: offhand I don't know what formats Debian kernels are compiled to know about |
| 05:58.28 | Xenguy | dvsdude: freedom doesn't come by default apparently :-) |
| 05:58.34 | litage | peterS: in the past, usb devices (eg: digicam) have been sda2. what would they be now that my sata drives are sda and sdb? |
| 05:58.49 | dvsdude | Xenguy, no it sure doesnt sad isnt it |
| 05:58.53 | peterS | dli: but do this: grep PARTITION.*y /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 05:59.12 | Xenguy | dvsdude: gives us something to do ;-) |
| 05:59.30 | peterS | dli: you'll see a nice list. also notice CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL and CONFIG_UNIXWARE_DISKLABEL |
| 05:59.34 | dvsdude | Xenguy, ;) |
| 05:59.35 | dli | peterS, does dos partition table waste space? |
| 05:59.41 | peterS | ("disklabel" is an old Unix term for partition table) |
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| 05:59.59 | peterS | dli: almost all partition table formats waste space. DOS ones aren't particularly worse than others |
| 06:00.29 | peterS | dli: the problem is that all these formats (including MSDOS) insist on putting all partitions on cylinder boundaries |
| 06:00.55 | peterS | dli: because in a bygone era, you had to talk to disks in terms of cylinder numbers, so lots of people used to think it made sense to address partitions that way |
| 06:01.54 | dli | peterS, I thought lba can be supported at the hardware layer |
| 06:02.09 | dli | peterS, then, you don't worry about cylinders |
| 06:02.11 | peterS | dli: yes, but partition table formats predate LBA |
| 06:02.45 | Boukensya | Can WebDAV be setup on your HTML program like dreamweaver etc. to automatically upload and update like ftp sites can? |
| 06:02.46 | dvsdude | Xenguy, this is an interesting interview with richard its 70mb http://www.thepodcastnetwork.com/audio/linuxuser/tpn_linuxuser_20050829_013.ogg |
| 06:03.20 | peterS | dli: so if a cylinder is about 8 MB, which is common, you need to line partitions up on 8 MB boundaries, and you'll lose the first 8 MB of the disk (the first MSDOS partition must start no earlier than cylinder 1, not cylinder 0) |
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| 06:03.34 | peterS | dli: but 8 MB out of 120 GB is kind of trivial, so. |
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| 06:04.19 | dli | peterS, at least, we can use the 8 mb to hold all partition tables, no need for "extended" (or logical) |
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| 06:04.45 | repp_ | Boukensya: yes, but I'm not an expert with dreamweaver. WebDAV was pretty much invented to allow authors to "publish" to the we bsite. |
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| 06:05.03 | peterS | dli: we could, yes, we could. for that matter, if you had an efficient partition table format, it could easily fit in the 512-byte boot sector with 16 entries in it, and room left over for the boot loader |
| 06:05.07 | repp_ | Boukensya: so many tools can use WebDAV that way. |
| 06:05.08 | Boukensya | repp_, cool sounds like just what I want |
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| 06:05.42 | peterS | dli: and btw, that's one thing about MSDOS partition table format: it leaves room in the boot sector for x86 boot code. not all formats allow you to boot that drive |
| 06:06.32 | dli | dvsdude, about $100 you can by 300GB |
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| 06:07.02 | dvsdude | dli, dude i was trying to be funny |
| 06:07.18 | deadcat | whats the site for internet archive? |
| 06:07.39 | peterS | dli: btw, one more thing about partition tables: make sure your preferred boot loader, as well as your kernel, supports the format you intend to use. (: at least, if the drive must be booted from |
| 06:08.10 | dorto | dli: should i try for 30GB for $100 at buy.com? anyother link you suggest? |
| 06:08.12 | scruffy | deadcat: you mean archive.org? |
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| 06:08.28 | dli | peterS, interesting thing, there are so many filesystem formats, but not many partition formats |
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| 06:08.50 | dli | dorto, $120 should be okay for 300GB |
| 06:08.56 | peterS | dli: did you do the grep command? here you go: grep -e DISKLABEL.*y -e PARTITION.*y /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 06:09.25 | peterS | dli: you don't think that's a lot of partition table formats? |
| 06:09.29 | dli | peterS, don't want to change, before I know for sure how to rescue |
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| 06:09.57 | repp_ | oi, for simplicity's sake just stick with MSDOS format. |
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| 06:10.08 | peterS | dli: if you're worried about space use, several of the formats are *less* efficient than MSDOS |
| 06:10.13 | dli | peterS, for example, the sarge installer doesn't ask me to choose partition format, but I can choose file systems |
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| 06:10.35 | dvsdude | dli, i want scsi in aussie Hitachi SCSI 300Gb Hard Drives 1 $1,395.00 |
| 06:10.46 | peterS | dli: there's very little reason to choose partition table format. there are so few situations where the default of MSDOS partitions isn't perfectly good |
| 06:11.09 | dvsdude | anything MSDOS by no means perfect |
| 06:11.10 | dli | dvsdude, you may say, scsi-raid, to get a higher number |
| 06:11.13 | peterS | dli: and most of those situations are when you have legacy data on a disk from some other OS, and in that case the installer won't be creating the partition table anyway |
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| 06:11.41 | dli | peters even for an empty disk :( |
| 06:12.06 | peterS | dli: for an empty disk, why would you care? as I said, most of the reason to support these weird formats is to use legacy data from some other OS |
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| 06:12.40 | peterS | dli: one case where you might care is CONFIG_LDM_PARTITION. that is used by Windows 2000/XP/2003. Windows calls it a "dynamic disk". |
| 06:13.09 | dli | peterS, hope I won't touch windows |
| 06:13.34 | peterS | Windows "dynamic disks" (LDM partition tables) are not really a *table* per se, so much as a very simple LVM implementation. or so I understand it. |
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| 06:13.48 | peterS | AssAssIn: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:14.00 | peterS | AssAssIn: remove the 'auto eth0', or change 'auto lo eth0' to just 'auto lo' |
| 06:14.08 | dli | AssAssIn, or, "update-rc.d -f networking remove" |
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| 06:14.17 | peterS | AssAssIn: 'auto' means started automatically at boot time. 'lo' must be started automatically, but 'eth0' is up to you |
| 06:14.30 | AssAssIn | ok and how to enable back? |
| 06:14.31 | repp_ | I prefer peterS's method |
| 06:14.42 | AssAssIn | just copy back? |
| 06:14.43 | dli | repp_, right, I forgot lo |
| 06:14.49 | oskie | is something broken in unstable? my system was fubared on startup today (did an upgrade yesterday) |
| 06:15.12 | peterS | oskie: grep is known to be fubared |
| 06:15.26 | repp_ | oskie: fubar how? |
| 06:15.29 | peterS | oskie: I think the new version should have hit the mirrors by now, but I haven't actually checked |
| 06:15.33 | dli | oskie, if I chose to install "unstable", I wouldn't ask questions :( |
| 06:15.34 | cheal | oskie: read the label. "unstable" |
| 06:15.39 | oskie | I got a lot of messages about a missing libpcre.3 or something.. |
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| 06:15.45 | oskie | cheal: YEAH, unstable, not BROKEN! |
| 06:15.45 | peterS | (I mean the *fixed* grep) |
| 06:15.45 | cheal | oskie: grep |
| 06:15.53 | AssAssIn | And 1 more: how can I mount ntfs? on hda0 |
| 06:15.56 | AssAssIn | *1 |
| 06:15.59 | oskie | cheal: I've been using unstable probably 10 years now... |
| 06:16.10 | cheal | oskie: then learn to ask questions |
| 06:16.13 | peterS | AssAssIn: there is no hda0. use 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' to see what number it really is |
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| 06:16.24 | peterS | cheal: dude, lay off |
| 06:16.27 | repp_ | broken grep? That's terrible! |
| 06:16.29 | dli | AssAssIn, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda0 /mnt |
| 06:16.30 | cheal | heh |
| 06:16.36 | peterS | cheal: he asked a legitimate question |
| 06:16.44 | AssAssIn | and don't I need some specilal program to read ntfs? |
| 06:16.44 | oskie | and during that period, there has been probably 5 times a broken critical package (once /dev/* was removed) |
| 06:17.16 | repp_ | heh |
| 06:17.19 | dli | AssAssIn, no, ntfs reading is in kernel |
| 06:17.24 | dvsdude | AssAssIn, man mount |
| 06:17.34 | AssAssIn | man I tried ;p |
| 06:17.38 | AssAssIn | SO REALY THX |
| 06:17.41 | AssAssIn | bye |
| 06:17.42 | peterS | dli: there is, though, in ntfsprogs. as an alternative to the kernel driver. |
| 06:18.16 | dli | peterS, oh, you can mount without kernel ntfs driver? |
| 06:18.29 | peterS | dli: he didn't say mount, he said read |
| 06:18.33 | peterS | dli: ...but yes, you can |
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| 06:19.06 | dli | peterS, for reading, why bother? just mount and read, ntfsprogs is for writing |
| 06:19.14 | peterS | dli: recent versions of ntfsprogs come with a program you can use via FUSE as an ntfs filesystem |
| 06:19.35 | dli | peterS, I only used it once to overwrite some windows spyware files |
| 06:20.11 | dli | peterS, I think you have to umount it before you can use ntfsprogs |
| 06:20.24 | peterS | dli: only if you mounted it in the first place |
| 06:20.40 | repp_ | fuse? |
| 06:20.58 | peterS | repp_: 'filesystem in userspace' a kernel module which calls out to a userspace daemon for filesystem operations |
| 06:21.11 | peterS | repp_: ntfsprogs provides such a daemon for NTFS |
| 06:21.35 | litage | linux ignores jumper settings on HDs, right? |
| 06:21.45 | dli | litage, no |
| 06:21.54 | repp_ | oh, yeah, I know what fuse is thanks, I just missed that you mentioned it |
| 06:22.04 | peterS | litage: like what jumper settings? the one for master/slave/cable select can't be ignored |
| 06:22.09 | repp_ | I guess I should have said "how about fuse?" |
| 06:22.09 | Daveman | hey PeterS :) |
| 06:22.12 | peterS | hey Daveman |
| 06:22.19 | peterS | repp_: ahh |
| 06:22.32 | Daveman | heh |
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| 06:25.39 | micheas | I have a new amd64 server with 4gig of ram and two gigabit NICs - Problem: Kernel 2.6.8-11-amd64 crashes if you use a NIC; kernel 2.6.8-2-686 only sees 3gig of ram, but works otherwise; kernel 2.4.8-24-686 works fine, except it gives kerel oops when fscking xfs on raid. Any suggestion? |
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| 06:26.24 | peterS | micheas: have you checked the debian-amd64 project to see what kernels they have available? I don't know offhand if they've got newer ones than 2.6.8-11-amd64 |
| 06:26.35 | peterS | micheas: (http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64) |
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| 06:27.09 | oskie | hmm, i think the problem was that libpcre.so.3 was needed before /usr was mounted, and it was located in /usr/lib |
| 06:27.40 | peterS | oskie: that's an obvious bug - what package needed it during early boot? |
| 06:27.52 | peterS | oskie: stuff in /bin and /sbin should never be linked to libraries that aren't in /lib |
| 06:28.08 | Daveman | peterS, how goes it, dancin' man? ;) |
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| 06:28.22 | oskie | peterS: heh.. /bin/grep :) |
| 06:29.21 | peterS | oskie: that must be the known grep borkage I mentioned, then. apparently 2.5.1.ds2-4 fixes it |
| 06:29.43 | micheas | peterS: All I have seen is security notices. But kernel.org has 2.6.14 which I has a lot of gigabit patches. I was avoiding making my own kernel dpkg |
| 06:29.43 | peterS | oskie: ...which doesn't seem to have hit the mirrors yet |
| 06:30.09 | oskie | peterS: ok, thanks for the info.. fortunately it helped to just copy the libpcre.*.so files to /lib |
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| 06:30.15 | peterS | micheas: 2.6.14 packages are in unstable. you may need a sarge backport of the 'yaird' package, in order to boot one |
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| 06:30.48 | peterS | micheas: http://debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool-sarge/sid/yaird/ |
| 06:31.13 | peterS | micheas: (there's the sarge version of yaird, which you may need in order to install sid kernels on sarge) |
| 06:31.22 | micheas | peterS: thanks - This should keep me busy for the next hour :-) |
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| 06:31.38 | peterS | micheas: good luck, it's not much fun failing to boot kernels |
| 06:33.19 | dli | peterS, compiling from source is better :( to avoid possible initrd problems |
| 06:34.04 | micheas | dli: I am booting to raid, so initrd is kind of needed :-( |
| 06:34.06 | peterS | dli: avoiding an initrd is cool. not *always* possible or desirable, like if you really want the root filesystem to live on LVM, or an encrypted partition, or RAID |
| 06:34.34 | dli | micheas, I boot from raid:( never tried initrd |
| 06:34.39 | peterS | (yes, you can do root-on-raid without an initrd, but I've had random problems with this) |
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| 06:34.57 | peterS | apparently mdadm is more robust than the kernel raid autodetection |
| 06:35.23 | dli | peterS, oh, my raid is simply /dev/sda |
| 06:35.42 | valdyn_ | dli: he meant software raid |
| 06:35.44 | peterS | dli: oh if it's hardware raid, no problem - if the kernel doesn't have to do anything special to set it up |
| 06:35.51 | dorto | anyone knows if there is a debian package available for wordpress? or is it best to install it manually untarring and copying in apache etc? |
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| 06:36.21 | peterS | dorto: the usual suspects would be www.apt-get.org, www.dotdeb.org, and the upstream web site (some software projects provide .deb files) |
| 06:36.52 | dli | peterS, software raid means you combine /dev/hda? into /dev/md ? never tried |
| 06:37.05 | peterS | dorto: OTOH, 'apt-cache show wordpress' shows that it *is* in unstable / testing, just not in sarge. so you might also check http://www.backports.org/ |
| 06:37.22 | peterS | dli: well, hda or sda or whatever, into /dev/mdN, yes. |
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| 06:37.30 | litage | if you're logged into a machine from 2 consoles, why does console1's bash history not show up in console2's? |
| 06:37.53 | peterS | litage: because the two copies of bash don't share notes with each other. they each write to ~/.bash_history, but don't read each other's data |
| 06:38.05 | dli | peterS, I see, you don't need a raid card at all, just an ordinary pc |
| 06:38.15 | peterS | litage: it's unclear whether this would even be desirable - it would certainly confuse some people |
| 06:38.22 | bonz | software raid is relatively straight forward if you follow any one of the many faq's available on the subject |
| 06:38.23 | micheas | dli: I normally benchmark software raid and hardware raid, and unless you have good 3ware controllers software raid tends to win |
| 06:38.41 | peterS | dli: correct. the main hangup is that your boot files must be on RAID-1 or no raid at all, since the BIOS isn't going to be able to read RAID-5 fragments for you |
| 06:39.16 | peterS | dli: (or RAID-0 fragments, etc.) - RAID-1 being a simple mirror, it doesn't matter if the BIOS knows about it or not, it can just read whatever copy of the mirror |
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| 06:39.44 | litage | peterS: i'm going to have to try hard to come up with a question you don't have an answer for, eh? =P |
| 06:39.46 | dorto | peterS: great, thx a lot |
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| 06:40.01 | dli | micheas, what are the numbers from your software raid? I remember I got 14MB/s 9MB/s r/w, and 100% cpu usage with bonnie++ |
| 06:40.15 | peterS | litage: not really, you just have to get lucky. there are wide swathes of debian-related topics I don't know much about, you just have to hit one |
| 06:40.27 | litage | haha |
| 06:40.40 | micheas | dli: I'm getting about 40MB/s with SATA |
| 06:41.01 | dli | micheas, that's cool, and cpu usage? |
| 06:41.21 | valdyn_ | micheas: you should get that w/o raid too i suppose, or close to that |
| 06:42.26 | dli | peterS, then, I would try one hdd for system, and 3 hdd on software raid-5 for /home |
| 06:42.47 | valdyn_ | dli: thruput of software raid would cap somewhere around 3000MB/sec assuming you used 100% cpu, on a modern cpu |
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| 06:43.17 | valdyn_ | dli: or that least that's what the quick test on bootup shows |
| 06:43.20 | peterS | dli: a reasonable solution is /boot on a 50 MB RAID-1, and the rest of the system on whatever you want (RAID-5 or whatever) |
| 06:43.22 | dli | valdyn_, I got 9MB/s and 100% cpu |
| 06:43.26 | micheas | dli: cpu usage is pretty low (under .3) but it takes a lot to over run the cache |
| 06:43.43 | peterS | dli: if you have 3 or 4 drives, no matter, you can do a 4-way RAID-1 mirror for /boot to keep all the drives nice and symmetric |
| 06:43.47 | valdyn_ | dli: that cant be modern hardware ) |
| 06:43.51 | peterS | dli: (it's not like you read or write /boot very often) |
| 06:43.59 | dli | micheas, I see |
| 06:44.20 | dli | valdyn_, some ancient dpt_i2o |
| 06:45.05 | dli | peterS: I see, get raid-1 on all for /boot and get raid-5 on all the rest |
| 06:45.36 | peterS | dli: well, if you really think you want raid-5. it's a CPU time vs. disk space tradeoff. disks are fairly cheap, raid-1 everywhere isn't too unreasonable |
| 06:46.14 | peterS | dli: then there's raid-6 which is even more cpu-expensive but allows any 2 disks to fail without losing data, instead of any 1 disk |
| 06:46.23 | ke6isf | If I wish to execute a bash for loop over a series of files containing spaces, each word in each name becomes a single argument. How would I get around this? |
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| 06:46.30 | punkass_ | anyone know of a good squirrelmail replacement? |
| 06:46.41 | ke6isf | !good |
| 06:46.49 | ke6isf | Hmm... |
| 06:47.22 | sep | punkass_, depends on your requirements but horde+imp should work |
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| 06:47.27 | dli | peterS, sounds good :) but still you need a good mobo to support many hdds, and a very good stable psu, possibly a dual-cpu |
| 06:47.48 | valdyn_ | ke6isf: for $i in *; do echo $i;done |
| 06:47.51 | valdyn_ | ke6isf: for i in *; do echo $i;done |
| 06:48.07 | punkass_ | sep: well to be honest..squirrelmail is fine..but i want to be able to change the From address when sending mail...I tried one of the older plugins but its not working |
| 06:48.30 | deadcat | ke6isf: echo * works too (= |
| 06:48.34 | peterS | ke6isf: *, as valdyn_ states, doesn't get expanded the way you think. you do have to be careful to quote "$i" every time you use it inside the loop |
| 06:48.37 | sep | punkass_, isn't that just to fill in the email address in the personal information under preferences ? |
| 06:48.39 | peterS | deadcat: you didn't read the question he was answering, did you? |
| 06:48.44 | peterS | deadcat: next time you really should |
| 06:48.45 | deadcat | no (= |
| 06:48.54 | deadcat | i didnt even read the question |
| 06:49.05 | sep | punkass_, you could even prefill it for users but scripting the initial generation of the .conf file |
| 06:49.06 | punkass_ | well thats the Reply-to address..but the mail still comes from the original domain |
| 06:49.22 | ke6isf | peterS, deadcat, valdyn_: OK, that gave me the answer I was looking for. Saying 'ls $foo' simply looks for files named foo, bar, or baz, but if I put $foo in quotes, I find the file "foo bar baz". Thanks. |
| 06:49.35 | punkass_ | but i have a virtual domain setup in postfix that receives mail and i would like to send mail out on the address |
| 06:50.01 | deadcat | ke6isf: ya. the "$i" is better since there might be space or special chars |
| 06:50.09 | ke6isf | deadcat: Indeed. |
| 06:50.25 | sep | punkass_, that's what i do too. havent noticed it did anything odd with From: |
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| 06:51.10 | punkass_ | well the default domain is say: domainA.com and when i get mail to the virtual domainB.com and reply it goes out as user@domainA.com |
| 06:51.16 | EvanCarroll | !tell EvanCarroll ask2ask |
| 06:51.21 | sep | humm no eevn without the email address in prefs. i get the correct address. |
| 06:51.29 | EvanCarroll | !tell EvanCarroll about ask2ask |
| 06:51.40 | punkass_ | sep: hmm |
| 06:51.46 | sep | punkass_, i use courier imap |
| 06:52.10 | punkass_ | same here |
| 06:52.38 | sep | all my virtual users send email in thir own domain that's different from the domain the server is on |
| 06:53.08 | punkass_ | and they are just in the virtual.db file? |
| 06:53.14 | punkass_ | i am using postfix |
| 06:54.01 | deadcat | how can i make the icons in OO.org2 smaller? |
| 06:54.07 | punkass_ | or do you have a more complex system using mysql etc |
| 06:54.10 | deadcat | its bloody huge |
| 06:54.15 | sep | i use postfix with users in a sql. but should be no different from virtual.db |
| 06:54.23 | EvanCarroll | !tell EvanCarroll about ask |
| 06:54.46 | cheal | !tell EvanCarroll about msg the bot |
| 06:55.02 | punkass_ | sep: i just have this line: virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual and my virtualdomain setup in there |
| 06:55.05 | sep | punkass_, i have set SMTP in squirrelmail's conf.pl |
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| 06:55.25 | punkass_ | sep: same |
| 06:55.49 | sep | punkass_, well the From must be generated from squirrelmail dont think postfix cares |
| 06:55.52 | tarzeau | streuner: yes? |
| 06:56.04 | punkass_ | sep: good point |
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| 06:57.35 | punkass_ | sep: you think it might get the info from the url i am at..cuz i am using smail.domainA.com to login to squirrelmail |
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| 06:58.13 | sep | punkass_, i use the same url for all users allso |
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| 06:58.27 | punkass_ | hmmm |
| 06:58.50 | sep | punkass_, i have the username = to the email address can that be something ? |
| 06:59.11 | punkass_ | when they log in, to they have to use username or username@domain.com? |
| 06:59.25 | sep | @domain.com |
| 06:59.42 | punkass_ | hmm ok that might be it...i am logging it with just username |
| 07:00.33 | stew | boooooya |
| 07:00.48 | punkass_ | sep: but when i try and log in with @domain i get an invalid username |
| 07:00.57 | sep | didnt see the need to have a separate username when they are virtual anyway |
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| 07:01.29 | sep | punkass_, well that's becouse you have configured courier that way. |
| 07:01.37 | sep | i guess |
| 07:01.47 | punkass_ | sep: ok |
| 07:02.07 | sciboy | Heya, i'm having trouble getting my Epson C45 working, its simply not responding to any of the printing tools i have installed. |
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| 07:02.16 | punkass_ | so you can have john@domainA.com and john@domainB.com without problems? |
| 07:02.21 | sciboy | Although the system and those tools have clearly detected it. |
| 07:02.28 | sep | punkass_, http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ this is what i did , (aprtoximatly) |
| 07:02.33 | sep | punkass_, yes |
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| 07:03.02 | punkass_ | sep: so you store the username/passwords to login, in the database? |
| 07:03.05 | cheal | stew: hey. thanks for your web dpkg interface again :) |
| 07:03.10 | punkass_ | sep: thanks ill check it out |
| 07:03.12 | sep | punkass_, yes |
| 07:03.23 | aleztris | hey, you guys, anybody knows one way to make video tutorials in .avi format? I was doing with windows media encoder and it works very well but the output video is a .wmv format and I don't know how to encode this to turn it in avi and compressed. |
| 07:03.25 | sep | and the username is also the email address. |
| 07:03.29 | sciboy | Anyone here have experience with Epson printers under Debian? |
| 07:03.32 | SimonRaven | oh yeh, uh, dpkg2www or such, right? |
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| 07:04.03 | brosioz | could hi burn dmg image from linux ? |
| 07:04.07 | sep | but you can have additional email addresses using forwardings table. but you can't login with those |
| 07:04.23 | cheal | SimonRaven: I don't know. maybe more blootbot2www? |
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| 07:04.26 | punkass_ | sep: ok..well that might be the problem..as i have nowhere to store username and passwords cuz i am not using database, so i am relying on unix usernames |
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| 07:04.38 | SimonRaven | !info dpkg2www |
| 07:04.39 | Mortal1 | hi , anyone know a util that can add seconds and minutes? eg 00:04:29 + 00:6:45 = 00:11:16 |
| 07:05.14 | dvsdude | aleztris, menecoder might be the go, its part of mplayer |
| 07:05.18 | sep | punkass_, if you use unix usernames the users arent virtual. |
| 07:05.19 | deadcat | Mortal1: perl or php modules |
| 07:05.20 | Guerin | aleztris: doom9.org |
| 07:05.21 | sep | are they ? |
| 07:05.32 | Guerin | aleztris: never encoode video with windows media encoder |
| 07:05.39 | SimonRaven | !info dpkg-www |
| 07:05.39 | sep | i imagined you could put your virtual usernames/passwords into the virtual.db also |
| 07:05.41 | dpkg | dpkg-www: (powerful WEB based Debian package browser), section doc, is optional. Version: 2.48 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 07:05.55 | cheal | SimonRaven: that's another one... |
| 07:06.00 | dvsdude | aleztris, http://www.videohelp.com/convert |
| 07:06.00 | cheal | !your factoids |
| 07:06.00 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 07:06.08 | dvsdude | !mencoder |
| 07:06.19 | punkass_ | sep: heh i sort of, i have something@domainB.com going to aunixuser's mailbox |
| 07:06.26 | SimonRaven | nice |
| 07:06.35 | Mortal1 | deadcat, u know what the perl module is called? |
| 07:06.50 | aleztris | why not, guerin? |
| 07:06.52 | punkass_ | username and email are not the same |
| 07:06.54 | deadcat | Mortal1: nope |
| 07:06.55 | cheal | SimonRaven: that's really useful to replace listkeys when there are more than 15 results |
| 07:07.06 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 07:07.24 | SimonRaven | hmm |
| 07:07.26 | deadcat | Mortal1: actually you can use php function. php.net |
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| 07:07.52 | punkass_ | sep: i was hoping to be able to just have it send out on domainB.com cuz i only need one or two usernames under domainB.com, and was trying to avoid have to set up database funtionality part of it |
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| 07:10.08 | sciboy | WORK PLEASE! |
| 07:10.10 | sandman | Is it just me, or is etch really broken atm? |
| 07:10.38 | cheal | sandman: probably just you. etch is etch-broken |
| 07:10.46 | sandman | cheal: etch-broken? |
| 07:11.09 | cheal | sandman: heh, testing sarge used to be similar IMO |
| 07:11.27 | sandman | cheal: I can't even install apt-build |
| 07:11.32 | sandman | cheal: unmet deps everywhere |
| 07:11.55 | cheal | sandman: note that apt-build doesn't seem to be in etch |
| 07:12.00 | sep | punkass_, so you dont have virtual users you just forward from a random address intoa real user. in that case yes the real users is on your primary domain and will have domainA.com youre system is working perfectly |
| 07:12.11 | sep | punkass_, you need the virtual_mailbox i guess |
| 07:12.11 | sandman | cheal: A lot of things don't seem to be in etch. |
| 07:12.21 | sandman | cheal: Why is that? Do you guys start etch on a clean slate? |
| 07:12.36 | cheal | sandman: no. uninstallable packages are not kept in etch |
| 07:12.43 | punkass_ | sep: yeah i am startin to think that |
| 07:12.57 | sandman | cheal: apt-build is in sarge and in sid, but not in etch |
| 07:13.07 | cheal | and there are still some dependency issues for some packages |
| 07:13.08 | punkass_ | sep: that link you send seems pretty good..thanks |
| 07:13.20 | cheal | sandman: lots of packages are uninstallable in sid |
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| 07:13.51 | sandman | cheal: But if it was in sarge, it should be in etch at the very least |
| 07:13.52 | cheal | sandman: etch/sid's work current problem is the broken toolchain. that better be fixed soon |
| 07:13.58 | cheal | s/work/worst |
| 07:14.04 | sandman | unless testing is cleared when a new stable is made |
| 07:14.17 | sep | ICH7's sata onboard raid is a fakeraid right ? so i might just as well use linux mdadm ? |
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| 07:14.34 | cheal | sandman: no. testing stays testing when stable releases. it's just cloned |
| 07:14.49 | sciboy | Gah! MTink can't even find the printer. =| |
| 07:14.54 | sciboy | The printer is on and connected. |
| 07:14.55 | sandman | cheal: Right. But I still don't get it. Was a package introduced into etch and them pulled back again? |
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| 07:15.04 | cheal | sandman: etch doesn't have all of sarge's package. hence sarge packages can be uninstallable in etch |
| 07:15.10 | sciboy | lsusb shows that the usb connection is fine and dandy. |
| 07:15.19 | sandman | cheal: Why does sarge have more? |
| 07:15.23 | sandman | Sarge _was_ testing? |
| 07:15.38 | sandman | But as soon as it was moved to stable, testing became broken. I never remember it being broken _this_ badly |
| 07:15.45 | cheal | sandman: yes. sarge doesn't necessarily have more, it usually have different ones |
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| 07:15.52 | dli | cheal, why not put both sarge and etch entries in sources.list? |
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| 07:16.21 | cheal | sandman: I don't think testing became broken as soon as sarge went stable |
| 07:17.03 | cheal | dli: you can do that, but the packages that are only in sarge and only in etch often conflict. for example packages compiled for different C++ ABIs |
| 07:17.31 | Cyis | anyone know how to flush postfix's memory for an old virtual_alias_maps entry held in PostgreSQL? it's now been over 6 hours and it's still holding the old destination |
| 07:17.59 | cheal | dpkg: selftell is <reply> Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". |
| 07:18.00 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 07:18.20 | dli | cheal, let apt to be worried, you just choose the package names |
| 07:18.23 | sep | sandman, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=apt-build |
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| 07:19.10 | sandman | sep: It's not just apt-build, it's a whole bunch of packages |
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| 07:19.38 | aleztris | autodesk aquires alias. adobe aquires macromedia. what the hell is going on with those crap monopolies? What's the next? Yahoo! aquires Google? Pixar aquires Dreamworks? Microsoft aquires Dell? |
| 07:19.51 | cheal | dli: ...I'm not sure what you mean |
| 07:20.19 | sep | sandman, just query against the other packages also then there is ususaly a reason why |
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| 07:21.08 | sandman | :/ |
| 07:21.14 | mlewis00 | If I call mountivrtfs.sh before checkroot.sh will it break checkroot.sh? |
| 07:21.30 | sandman | aleztris: Do you like Dell? |
| 07:22.02 | sep | sandman, think of it as a good thing., it means work is beeing done, things are getting better (well newer atlest) |
| 07:23.00 | aleztris | yes, i do, in my dreams only, at this time because i work always in a generic p4 machine. |
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| 07:24.03 | dli | aleztris, you don't like amd64? |
| 07:24.34 | aleztris | i like it, but very expensive for me now. |
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| 07:25.12 | sep | when it comes to hardware not supported by the sarge installers kernel. are there driverdisks available (like the old boot floppies) or is it just eatch man for himself ? (chroot/custom installer/debbotstrap) |
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| 07:25.39 | dli | aleztris, I thought the price is comparable to p4 :( |
| 07:26.11 | aleztris | 64 bits = p4 3.3 mghz? i don't believe it |
| 07:26.43 | aleztris | anyway, i dream with a dual machine. |
| 07:26.50 | dli | aleztris, I think turion is about pentium-m |
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| 07:27.13 | aleztris | dual machine is perfect for me and 3ds max. |
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| 07:27.24 | dli | aleztris, smp of dual-core :) |
| 07:27.42 | mlewis00 | Hmmm...disregard the last question...if I call checkroot.sh immediately after udev will it break anything? |
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| 07:28.19 | hcy | where can i get the files I need to compile my own kernel? |
| 07:28.27 | aleztris | two xeon in a dual motherbord and one dell, perfect |
| 07:28.35 | dvsdude | hcy, kernel.org |
| 07:28.56 | cheal | hcy: in a kernel source package |
| 07:29.12 | buu | Hrm. Am I right in thinking the kernel-image-2.4.27 lacks vfat support? |
| 07:29.25 | dli | cheal, do you need kernel-headers with kernel-source? |
| 07:29.33 | cheal | buu: hum...unlikely |
| 07:29.35 | afabian | buu, it has vfat support. i use it. |
| 07:29.37 | kevin | yes . i need |
| 07:29.38 | buu | Um. |
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| 07:29.42 | buu | Then why won't it mount! |
| 07:29.47 | cheal | dli: to do what? |
| 07:29.50 | buu | /dev/hdb1 * 1 24321 195358401 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 07:30.07 | buu | I do: mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hd2; and get the "wrong fs, superblock, etc" error |
| 07:30.08 | cheal | buu better try mounting directly |
| 07:30.13 | dli | cheal, for later, for packages asking for kernel-headers |
| 07:30.50 | sep | buu, you have loaded the vfat module obviously ? |
| 07:30.56 | afabian | buu, have you run a check on the FS under Windows/DOS? Maybe some error they're more kindly glossing over. |
| 07:31.17 | buu | afabian: Trying to get it under windows would really annoying |
| 07:31.24 | cheal | dli: are you compiling a kernel or what? |
| 07:31.26 | aleztris | is there any 3d artist? |
| 07:31.28 | buu | sep: Er, maybe? |
| 07:31.30 | sep | buu, there is also fsck.vfat |
| 07:31.37 | buu | sep: I lack that program |
| 07:31.37 | sep | buu, lsmod to find out |
| 07:31.52 | buu | vfat 8716 0 (autoclean |
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| 07:31.58 | dli | cheal: never mind, I always use kernel.org |
| 07:32.25 | sep | buu, install dosfstools package |
| 07:33.06 | buu | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 07:33.06 | buu | File system has 6103459 clusters but only space for 6102014 FAT entries. |
| 07:33.15 | Mortal1 | i want to burn a 700mb wav , is it possible to tell the burning software to put tracks at 5 min intervals rather than 1 big single track? |
| 07:33.16 | afabian | :o |
| 07:33.43 | buu | Except the damn thing mounted yesterday |
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| 07:33.48 | buu | Only thing that's changed is linux crashed |
| 07:33.56 | ke6isf | Mortal1: It would probably be easier to chop it using an audio editor, and burn the results. |
| 07:34.57 | Mortal1 | ke6isf, yer , i thought about that , but i just thought k3b or something may have had a feature |
| 07:35.03 | litage | on the DVD ISO #1, pool/main/p/perl/ doesn't contain perl-VERSION.deb . where can i find the perl package? |
| 07:35.17 | Cyis | am I the only one who uses postfix? |
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| 07:35.27 | sep | Cyis, probably.. |
| 07:35.29 | ke6isf | Cyis: No. |
| 07:35.33 | litage | n/m; my bad =P |
| 07:35.41 | afabian | Cyis, yes. Even the author doesn't use it. It was written for you! |
| 07:35.46 | Cyis | cause #postfix is full of sleeping idlers |
| 07:36.01 | buu | Ok hrm |
| 07:36.12 | ke6isf | Mortal1: Not that I recall. Closest I can think of is grip's sector-to-sector rip feature, but that isn't what you're looking for. |
| 07:36.25 | cheal | afabian: hehehe |
| 07:36.53 | ke6isf | Cyis: Well, what version of Debian are you running Postfix on? |
| 07:37.07 | cheal | that would be such good replacement for !anyone use |
| 07:37.30 | Cyis | testing |
| 07:37.40 | Cyis | 2.2.4 |
| 07:37.40 | ke6isf | cheal: Could come up with a different factoid for the purpose. =^^= |
| 07:37.48 | ke6isf | Cyis: OK, lemme give it a shot. What's up? |
| 07:37.53 | Daveman | buu :o |
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| 07:38.15 | cheal | ke6isf: nah...that's just better |
| 07:38.33 | cheal | !anyone use |
| 07:38.33 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:38.38 | ke6isf | cheal: Just wait until Sunday, when sarcasm becomes an art lost on the morons. |
| 07:38.42 | cheal | s/use/wrote/ |
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| 07:38.56 | Cyis | ke6isf: I'm using postfix-pgsql dict to hold my virtual_alias_maps ... I changed one of these aliases in the database and restarted postfix over 6 hours ago... it is still trying to deliver email to that alias to the old destination which is no longer in the database table |
| 07:39.04 | cheal | ke6isf: yes...I'm too tired anyway |
| 07:39.15 | ssm | Cyis: what does postmap -q tell you? |
| 07:39.17 | ke6isf | cheal: Heh. Go to bed. =^^= |
| 07:39.29 | ssm | Cyis: ...with the appropriate file and address as arguments |
| 07:39.34 | ke6isf | Cyis: Are you sure it's not looking at /etc/postfix/aliases.db or anything like that? |
| 07:39.56 | Cyis | http://pastebin.com/425185 <-- my main.cf |
| 07:39.57 | ssm | ke6isf: that's not common for virtual_alias_maps, is it? |
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| 07:40.17 | cheal | ke6isf: even my bed is out of coffee |
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| 07:40.25 | ke6isf | ssm: Not sure, as I don't experiment much with using databases in postfix. |
| 07:41.14 | ke6isf | ssm: It's looking at /etc/aliases. If you changed it in the postgres db, that won't change anything. Alter /etc/aliases, postalias, and let it go. |
| 07:41.29 | ke6isf | oops... |
| 07:41.40 | ssm | ke6isf: yes, but alias_maps uses /etc/aliases, but virtual_alias_maps.... |
| 07:41.40 | ke6isf | Cyis: See my comment to ssm, that was meant for you. ssm: sorry, my bad. |
| 07:41.46 | ssm | ke6isf: no worries |
| 07:41.57 | Cyis | ssm: running "postmap -q alias@example.net pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql-virtual.cf" returns the old destination... which isn't even in the database table any more |
| 07:42.24 | ke6isf | ssm: I don't believe virtual_ will override those first alias lines. |
| 07:42.31 | Cyis | ke6isf: all my account information IS in Postgresql |
| 07:42.42 | ssm | Cyis: Hm, is there any caching at some point here? |
| 07:42.42 | ke6isf | Cyis: Does /etc/aliases exist? |
| 07:42.56 | Cyis | ke6isf: yes ot |
| 07:43.11 | Cyis | it is the stock default that was installed... has no knowledge of any of my accounts/aliases |
| 07:43.50 | Cyis | the virtual alias worked before... the destination address it pointed to was closed and needed to be pointed to a new destination address... it's still trying to send to the old destination though |
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| 07:44.14 | ke6isf | Cyis: Sorry, but I'm going to fold. Not knowing much beyond this (and knowing nothing about using postfix with databases), I'm of no help. |
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| 07:45.07 | encompass | I know it is off topic... but may I ask a bash script question? |
| 07:45.10 | Cyis | it's as if it's cached it somewhere and I can't find where |
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| 07:45.16 | ssm | Cyis: do you have some kind of query logging for your database? It would be interesting to see the SQL query and the result from the database |
| 07:45.18 | buu | Hrm. Anyone know of an option to make k3b's svcd project mode support Xvid or alternatively a way to translate xvid to mpeg? |
| 07:45.45 | ssm | Cyis: (pastebin was interesting, though, never seen that one before) |
| 07:46.22 | cheal | encompass: there's #bash. if you already know then at least ask a real question instead of asking if you can "break the rules" |
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| 07:48.59 | litage | sanoj: i'm installing 2.6.14 inside a chroot made with debootstrap, but yaird is generating an error: "yaird error: can't open directory /sys/block (fatal)". what should i do? |
| 07:49.04 | Cyis | ssm: Straight from the Postfix+SASL+Cyrus+Postgresql help pages online |
| 07:49.14 | Cyis | using web-cyradm to manage |
| 07:49.24 | jm_ | litage: mount /sys in chroot? |
| 07:49.36 | Cyis | everything has run fine until trying to change the virutal alias |
| 07:49.52 | buu | Oh dear god. Anyone know of a program that will convert xvid to mpeg2? |
| 07:49.54 | nekostar | eh |
| 07:50.03 | tcsetattr | buu, I bet mencoder can do it. |
| 07:50.08 | nekostar | it can |
| 07:50.13 | nekostar | as i recall |
| 07:50.23 | buu | tcsetattr: Does it have a debian package? |
| 07:50.27 | peterS | tcsetattr: who are you and what have you done with pacman? |
| 07:50.41 | ssm | Cyis: I don't know PostgreSQL well enough to debug that part of the problem, but if you did restart, and not reload, the postfix code, and postmap still shows the old address, I would guess that the next place to look would be the database |
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| 07:50.54 | peterS | buu: it's part of mplayer so it's not actually in debian. there's a third-party package of it around, see '/msg dpkg mplayer' for details |
| 07:51.06 | buu | Hmph |
| 07:51.11 | nekostar | would yall know how to tell cron to do a task like import > %time where the system time could be the file name? |
| 07:51.27 | litage | thanks jm_, that worked |
| 07:51.28 | buu | nekostar: import > `time` ? |
| 07:51.35 | Cyis | ssm: I log'd into the database directly and performed the query and the database has the new destination and no record of the old destination |
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| 07:51.42 | litage | jm_: installing linux via debootstrap onto one of the SATAs now =P |
| 07:51.43 | nekostar | literally that easy buu ? |
| 07:51.45 | peterS | nekostar: system time in what format? $(date ....) lets you get the time in any format you want, depending on what you put in there for .... |
| 07:51.45 | Cyis | only postfix knows of the old destination at this point |
| 07:52.17 | jm_ | nekostar: $(date +%y%m%d-%H%M) |
| 07:52.23 | tcsetattr | I guess someone else registered themselves as "pacman" with the NickServ |
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| 07:52.29 | peterS | nekostar: for example, $(date --iso-8601=seconds), which is similar to what jm_ said |
| 07:52.33 | pookey | hey all. can someone remind me of the CLI tool to manage the rc scripts? |
| 07:52.43 | ssm | Cyis: "strace -ff -o /tmp/postmap.trace postmap -q ... " may show you what it does, and if there is some caching somewhere |
| 07:52.52 | nekostar | o.O |
| 07:52.58 | jm_ | pookey: /msg dpkg services |
| 07:53.15 | ssm | Cyis: you'll get trace files in /tmp/postmap.trace.<pid> |
| 07:53.22 | pookey | thanks :) |
| 07:53.50 | tcsetattr | I have pnmnorm segfaulting, but only when run from a shell script, and only when the shell is ash. this is really odd. |
| 07:54.03 | peterS | pretty odd indeed |
| 07:54.04 | buu | Wow, mencoder depends on xmms |
| 07:54.06 | ssm | Cyis: but strace _will_ create a lot of output. |
| 07:54.19 | Cyis | ssm: yeah... looking through the trace now |
| 07:54.21 | peterS | if it's "only from a script", I wonder if it's a matter of something assuming without basis that stdin is a tty |
| 07:54.31 | Daveman | rofl |
| 07:54.46 | pookey | IS there a way to see what init scripts have been run? like rc-status for those familiar with gentoo |
| 07:54.58 | Cyis | ssm: I see it open the dict_pgsql.so |
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| 07:55.13 | peterS | Daveman: se vuol ballare, signor Contino.... |
| 07:55.16 | jm_ | bootlogd should help with that |
| 07:55.18 | tcsetattr | well, it reads the image from stdin (and does so successfully when run from bash) |
| 07:55.26 | peterS | Daveman: ...il chitarrina le suonero... |
| 07:55.54 | pookey | jm_: that presumably only tells you what was started at boot? |
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| 07:55.56 | Daveman | :p |
| 07:56.07 | Daveman | hehe, keep it up, peterS :) |
| 07:56.13 | tcsetattr | also, if I compile it myself (not from original upstream source, but from the debianized source) it doesn't do it. And I apt-get remove and reinstalled it to make sure the installed executable wasn't corrupt. |
| 07:56.16 | jm_ | pookey: it logs all the output |
| 07:56.18 | Cyis | ssm: as well as the DNS query for the database hostname |
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| 07:56.36 | pookey | jm_: that doenst' help if someone's logged in and stopped/started services since boot though does it ? |
| 07:56.44 | peterS | Daveman: (that's one of Figaro's arias from Le nozze di Figaro. translation: "if you want to dance, my little Count, I'll play the tune on a little guitar...". basically he's thinking of how to outsmart the count) |
| 07:56.44 | jm_ | pookey: corrrect |
| 07:56.46 | ssm | Cyis: you should see the database traffic as read and write, then |
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| 07:56.58 | Cyis | ssm: and what looks to be the SQL query... |
| 07:57.06 | pookey | jm_: does debian's init setup not maintain current states then? |
| 07:57.11 | Cyis | send(4, "Q\0\0\0VSELECT dest FROM virtual WH"..., 87, 0) = 87 |
| 07:57.26 | buu | Ok, I've got mencoder, but I can't figure out which options I need. Anyone want to share an example? |
| 07:57.27 | Daveman | peterS, yes... I gathered most of it :p |
| 07:57.27 | Daveman | interesting plot :) |
| 07:57.31 | JerJer | not really a debian specific question, but someone here should know - Can i merge partitions in Linux? like my / was created way too small and i would like to blow away another partiton and start over, but one issue is I am currently not even in the same state as this box (i do have ip-kvm though) |
| 07:57.39 | ivh | hi, how can I find out what causes periodic (every ~4s) short access to my harddisk? |
| 07:57.44 | buu | I need to go from xvid to mpeg1 or mpeg2 |
| 07:57.52 | ssm | Cyis: any matching receive line just after send? |
| 07:58.02 | Cyis | ssm: I'm working to increase the Postgresql debug verbosity |
| 07:58.12 | peterS | Daveman: yeah, it's a lively plot, which is good because it has to fill over 3 hours of stage time |
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| 07:58.17 | Cyis | recv(4, "T\0\0\0\35\0\1dest\0\0\0C\200\0\2\0\0\4\23\377\377\0\0"..., 16384, 0) = |
| 07:58.17 | Cyis | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.27 | Zap-W | vsftpd and fortune cookies , anyone know about that? used to have that in pure-ftpd |
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| 07:58.32 | Cyis | and then the write() with the old destination value |
| 07:58.33 | Daveman | peterS :D |
| 07:58.43 | buu | tcsetattr: So about this mencoder.. |
| 07:58.46 | Daveman | sounds exhausting ;) |
| 07:59.03 | cheal | ivh: hum, I've got that on my etch laptop recently. would you happen to use KDE? |
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| 07:59.12 | ssm | Cyis: Hm, ok. There is an option for strace not to truncate lines, it may be -v |
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| 07:59.23 | ivh | cheal: nope. gnome |
| 07:59.23 | jm_ | pookey: not that I know |
| 07:59.25 | peterS | Daveman: the orchestra complained in one of the dress rehearsals that they were completely worn out by the end of Act II. so we added another intermission at the end of Act I. |
| 07:59.26 | tcsetattr | what about it? mencoder comes with mplayer (it is basically mplayer with a file output instead of a video display output) |
| 07:59.39 | ssm | Cyis: -e read=4, I think |
| 07:59.41 | cheal | ivh: does it happen with X off? |
| 07:59.55 | ssm | Cyis: -e read=4 -e write=4 |
| 07:59.57 | tcsetattr | strace -s99999 to display 99999 bytes of a string instead of the default (~20) |
| 07:59.57 | pookey | jm_: insanity:) |
| 07:59.57 | buu | tcsetattr: Er, yeah, which options do I use to make it do mpeg2? |
| 08:00.05 | Daveman | hehe |
| 08:00.17 | Daveman | peters, that was considerate of you :) |
| 08:00.18 | jm_ | ivh: isn't default ext3 commit interval 5 seconds? |
| 08:00.25 | buu | And anyone know which kind of audio encoding I should use? |
| 08:00.28 | ivh | cheal: good question. I refuse a little to log out, due to _many_ windows open :-) |
| 08:00.30 | ssm | Cyis: ...will give a HEX and ascii dump of whatever passes on file descriptor 4, which you see in your recv line from strace |
| 08:00.39 | ivh | jm_: I run reserfs exclusively |
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| 08:00.52 | peterS | Daveman: well, obviously it wasn't up to me. I was disappointed because it was fun changing to the Act II set with the audience watching - we could stay in character (as servants of the castle) while moving furniture around |
| 08:01.14 | ivh | is there no smart tool that can tell the culprit ? |
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| 08:01.36 | cheal | ivh: if you learn about one, feel free to tell me :) |
| 08:01.46 | Daveman | heh cool |
| 08:01.50 | tcsetattr | buu, there are too many options for me to know them all... -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video would be an example... but you should probably read the FAQ |
| 08:02.09 | Cyis | ssm: I add'd '-e read=4 -e write=4' and now I can see the full query sent and the reply |
| 08:02.27 | buu | tcsetattr: Oh |
| 08:02.34 | pookey | I'm trying to stop debian starting NFS stuff on boot, but I get 'update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/nfs-common exists during rc.d purge'... what does that actaully mean ? |
| 08:02.35 | buu | tcsetattr: mencoder -ovc help; =] |
| 08:02.43 | ssm | Cyis: anything enlightening? |
| 08:02.43 | peterS | Daveman: here's another cute line from an aria, see how much you can translate: "ogni donna mi fa palpitar" |
| 08:02.50 | cheal | jm_: I get disk IO on my ext3 etch laptop regularly about each second when KDE runs (basically) |
| 08:03.27 | Cyis | ssm: you mean other than the fact that when I run the same query against the database directly I get the new destination which is not the destination that postmap gives? |
| 08:03.29 | cheal | it's not a critical problem, but I'd better find a solution than ship my HD for warranty :) |
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| 08:04.17 | ssm | Cyis: the queries are run through the proxymap daemon, has that been restarted? It may be evil, and cache things for your own good. :P |
| 08:04.38 | ssm | Cyis: proxy:pgsql:/whatever |
| 08:04.55 | ssm | proxy: is used when you run postfix in chroot environments |
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| 08:05.02 | Cyis | ssm: I've shutdown and restarted postfix atleast a half dozen times... I've even removed the proxymap from the configuration and restarted |
| 08:05.08 | jm_ | cheal: ls -lrta ~ doesn't show any updates? |
| 08:06.12 | Daveman | ;) |
| 08:06.17 | Cyis | this is so bizzar |
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| 08:06.25 | cheal | jm_: I'm not sure about that command? I have to run that once? as each of my users? |
| 08:06.29 | ssm | Cyis: Do you and postfix ask the same database / tablespace / instance/ whatever? |
| 08:06.41 | d4s | what is the directory for my tftpd? |
| 08:06.44 | Cyis | ssm: there's only one instance of Postgresql running |
| 08:07.10 | ssm | Cyis: and the database name is the same, and the table names are the same... |
| 08:07.19 | jm_ | cheal: well you're probably the only user on the laptop? just run it after you notice disk activity, see if it shows some files have been updated in the past second (most recent files listed at the bottom) |
| 08:07.31 | peterS | Daveman: ahh, yeah, google for "ogni donna mi fa palpitar" in quotes would get you the answer. it's a teenaged pretty boy who recently started noticing teh girls |
| 08:07.47 | Cyis | ssm: from the trace I see it connected with the correct username 'mail' to the correct database 'mail' and the query was "SELECT dest FROM virtual WHERE alias='<alias>' and status = '1' |
| 08:08.12 | cheal | jm_: there's disk activity each second I'm writing you. but no files modified in /root recently. I'll try as my user |
| 08:08.13 | ssm | Cyis: indeed, bizaare |
| 08:08.27 | jm_ | cheal: the fact this happens every second makes it harder to debug |
| 08:08.43 | Cyis | ssm: now if I use the psql command line utility and connect to the 'mail' database as 'mail' and run the same query I get a different result than postmap... the correct result |
| 08:08.51 | Daveman | peterS, I'm aware -_- |
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| 08:09.16 | ssm | Cyis: then I don't know why the results differ, sorry. This is really strange. |
| 08:09.40 | Cyis | ssm: and I would assume if I'm calling postmap with "pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql-virtual.cf" rather than through "proxy:pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql-virtual.cf" I would assume postmap would not utilize the proxymap |
| 08:09.50 | ssm | Cyis: true |
| 08:10.12 | Cyis | ssm: Try this one on... If I *DELETE* the entire virtual alias from the database completely... postmap still returns the old value |
| 08:10.24 | cheal | jm_: really? I thought it would be easier. I tried as user, and that command didn't show anything obvious |
| 08:10.26 | ssm | Cyis: o_O |
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| 08:10.54 | ssm | Cyis: so the question is, where did postmap find that data? |
| 08:11.23 | Cyis | ssm: that would be the $1million question of the evening :) |
| 08:11.39 | nekostar | er |
| 08:11.48 | nekostar | how can i make a cron task that runs every minute once? |
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| 08:12.06 | nekostar | 0-59 * * * * * the task? |
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| 08:12.28 | cheal | I would hope there's a utility root could run that could at least indicate whether it's a read or a write (although presumably reads would be cached) but I don't know which one |
| 08:12.38 | tcsetattr | cheal: vmstat |
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| 08:12.47 | peterS | nekostar: or just * * * * * |
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| 08:13.07 | ssm | nekostar: just five stars |
| 08:13.13 | nekostar | can i just type into the terminal? and how can i tell it to quit later on ? |
| 08:13.19 | nekostar | i appreciate the help btw :) |
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| 08:13.23 | litage | i've installed linux onto a SATA HD using debootstrap, and am now setting up grub. ``grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda /dev/sda1'' said some weird stuff though. any ideas?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KADvLi97.html |
| 08:13.31 | dli | how do I set up auto "apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 08:13.36 | ssm | nekostar: anything in cron will run until you remove it from crontab |
| 08:13.47 | nekostar | o: |
| 08:13.52 | Daveman | indeed |
| 08:13.57 | peterS | nekostar: huh? to run things via cron, you have to edit your crontab file. use 'crontab -e', or if you are root, you can create files directly in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 08:13.57 | nekostar | ok ill look into the crontab then thanx ssm |
| 08:14.13 | nekostar | ah |
| 08:14.14 | ssm | nekostar: or /etc/cron.d/whatever on Debian, for root things |
| 08:14.16 | jm_ | cheal: there are things like LTT that can help with this, but not exactly trivial to use |
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| 08:14.28 | bibe | cheal : I read of a kernel module that can be configured to catch every file open, and act following a configuration file |
| 08:14.31 | nekostar | i want to capture my X screen every minute for a while :P |
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| 08:14.46 | cheal | tcsetattr: thanks, I'll be sure to man this soon :) |
| 08:14.47 | tcsetattr | ok, it's not just under ash that pnmnorm segfaults... bash too (but bash amazingly doesn't report the segfault) |
| 08:14.49 | ssm | nekostar: aha, that's your own cron, then. Use "crontab -e" |
| 08:14.56 | nekostar | sweet thanx again |
| 08:15.26 | peterS | nekostar: if it's just a one-time thing, you can do something ad hoc from a shell: 'while sleep 60; do ......; done' |
| 08:15.27 | litage | dli: make it a cron job, and tell it to say yes automatically |
| 08:15.31 | cheal | bibe: interesting. any name? :) |
| 08:15.47 | peterS | nekostar: then use ctrl-c in that terminal, to stop it |
| 08:15.52 | nekostar | hrm |
| 08:15.56 | tcsetattr | cheal, also cat /proc/diskstats, but don't ask me how to interpret it |
| 08:16.05 | cheal | jm_: ok, I'll check this if tcsetattr's tip doesn't solve |
| 08:16.07 | bibe | cheal : I am trying to remember... |
| 08:16.32 | peterS | nekostar: a simple 'while sleep 60; do .... done' is probably simpler than running 'crontab -e' twice (once to start the job, once to stop it) |
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| 08:16.50 | Daveman | heh |
| 08:16.57 | bonaberna | wenas |
| 08:17.09 | cheal | tcsetattr: hum, this must be well documented somewhere anyway, no? :) thanks |
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| 08:17.40 | peterS | cheal: some stuff in /proc is, some isn't. if you have a kernel source tree sitting around, look in the Documentation directory |
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| 08:18.00 | pedrix | feo |
| 08:18.02 | cheal | bibe: it's OK, tcsetattr and jm_ already gave me enough reading. I'll be here if you remember sometime |
| 08:18.13 | nekostar | does while sleep 60 mean it goes to sleep then or activate the screensaver or something? |
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| 08:18.22 | rubia | hi |
| 08:18.26 | peterS | cheal: or, debian also has packages of this, 'kernel-doc-$(uname -r)' or 'linux-doc-$(uname -r)' |
| 08:18.27 | rubia | i'm spanish |
| 08:18.38 | rubia | do you want come to spain? |
| 08:18.44 | cheal | peterS: yeah, I have a vanilla kernel and a doc package |
| 08:18.48 | pedrix | foc me puta |
| 08:18.53 | pedrix | bitch |
| 08:18.55 | peterS | rubia: if you want to speak spanish, that would be #debian-es. if you want to speak english, stay here |
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| 08:19.29 | rubia | hola |
| 08:19.43 | rubia | ke tal peter? |
| 08:20.02 | jm_ | cheal: LTT is what he's talking about I believe |
| 08:20.09 | rubia | how are you peter? |
| 08:20.21 | peterS | non parlo spagnolo, je ne parle pas espagnol, etc. |
| 08:20.32 | cheal | jm_: ah ok thanks |
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| 08:20.51 | rubia | est ce-que tu parles français? |
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| 08:20.56 | peterS | un peu |
| 08:21.02 | tor | hello |
| 08:21.03 | peterS | mais pas au canal #debian |
| 08:21.04 | XFACTORZEAS | pos va a ser ke no |
| 08:21.05 | tor | salut |
| 08:21.10 | tor | yes |
| 08:21.17 | rubia | mata |
| 08:21.19 | rubia | es gay |
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| 08:21.35 | XFACTORZEAS | seguro |
| 08:21.37 | rubia | mata |
| 08:21.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@105.Red-80-32-206.staticIP.rima-tde.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 08:21.47 | dondelelcaro | take the non-english to the appropriate channel, please. |
| 08:21.48 | liable | :) |
| 08:22.18 | dondelelcaro | [and have a nice day.] |
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| 08:24.07 | Daveman | heh |
| 08:24.16 | Daveman | dondelelcaro, not a fan of opera, are we? :) |
| 08:24.30 | codepoet | can anybody walk me through setting up Xorg on debian sid? |
| 08:24.38 | bibe | cheal : http://www.dazuko.org/, it's very interesting |
| 08:24.50 | bibe | !drxx |
| 08:24.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:24.53 | peterS | Daveman: he didn't ban me even though I spouted italian for a bit. I think he's more annoyed with rima-tde people who come in all confused about where they even *are* |
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| 08:24.58 | codepoet | i have a usb mouse and /dev/mouse isn't working |
| 08:25.01 | codepoet | :-/ |
| 08:25.16 | peterS | codepoet: ok, let's start at the beginning, you need some kernel modules loaded. they may or may not already be |
| 08:25.31 | peterS | codepoet: you'll need the 'mousedev' and 'usbhid' modules, plus whichever module is needed for your USB chipset |
| 08:25.33 | liable | rima has been a pain in the arse lately |
| 08:25.41 | codepoet | peterS: ok |
| 08:25.45 | dondelelcaro | Daveman: no, just primarily annoyed at the people swearing in multiple languages without saying anything remotely #debian related |
| 08:25.59 | liable | oh, that doesnt sound right... |
| 08:26.00 | peterS | codepoet: to determine which USB chip, you need to know if you're using kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6. then also do this: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 08:26.02 | dondelelcaro | (a little bit of non-english is no big deal.) |
| 08:26.09 | bibe | codepoet : sorry, I thought you were looking for general info about X.org |
| 08:26.39 | peterS | codepoet: it will print lines like [UHCI]) or [OHCI]) or [EHCI]) |
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| 08:26.54 | codepoet | peterS: awk returns no results |
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| 08:27.16 | tcsetattr | I got all 3! UHCI, OHCI, and EHCI :) |
| 08:27.21 | peterS | codepoet: type it carefully, it should print *something* |
| 08:27.34 | peterS | tcsetattr wins! |
| 08:27.42 | codepoet | perhaps it did not recognize it |
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| 08:27.49 | Daveman | dondelelcaro, yes, that can be quite irritating :( |
| 08:27.59 | peterS | codepoet: if your kernel doesn't see any USB interfaces at all, that's kind of a problem |
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| 08:28.09 | tcsetattr | I didn't realize until now that I had all 3. |
| 08:28.13 | Daveman | dondelelcaro, heehee :P |
| 08:28.34 | peterS | codepoet: what type of motherboard is it? what's the chipset, do you know? |
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| 08:29.03 | cheal | bibe: ok, that seems to do exactly what I'd need, but since it's not in stock kernels I'll consider using it if the rest doesn't help |
| 08:29.08 | codepoet | yes |
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| 08:29.14 | codepoet | it's a via chpset |
| 08:29.17 | codepoet | chipset* |
| 08:29.32 | peterS | tcsetattr: motherboard is UHCI, and you have a PCI card with an OHCI/EHCI chip? |
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| 08:29.56 | tcsetattr | apparently so. I've barely ever used the USB. But there is a PCI card involved. |
| 08:30.08 | bibe | cheal : ok |
| 08:30.08 | peterS | codepoet: that's UHCI, but really, lspci should see the interface, or it probably won't be detected when you load the driver |
| 08:30.38 | codepoet | ah! |
| 08:30.41 | codepoet | i see the problem |
| 08:30.42 | codepoet | haha |
| 08:30.43 | tcsetattr | he probably typo'ed your awk script |
| 08:30.47 | codepoet | how absolutely silly of me |
| 08:30.54 | peterS | tcsetattr: I won't bet against you |
| 08:31.00 | codepoet | usb was disabled in the bios |
| 08:31.07 | codepoet | no wonder awk didn't find it |
| 08:31.08 | peterS | ahh yeah, that was the other possibility |
| 08:31.38 | peterS | same thing happened to me with SATA. I didn't get around to figuring out what was wrong for a long time, since I have no SATA devices anyway |
| 08:32.24 | peterS | so, codepoet, I take it you're rebooting now? |
| 08:32.30 | codepoet | well |
| 08:32.38 | codepoet | i'm having difficulties |
| 08:32.44 | codepoet | such as gdm freezing my computer |
| 08:32.55 | peterS | yeah, that could be a slight problem |
| 08:33.02 | codepoet | so i'm going into recovery mode and putting mousedev and usbhid in /etc/modules |
| 08:33.12 | peterS | codepoet: kernel 2.4 or 2.6, do you know? |
| 08:33.19 | codepoet | 2.6 |
| 08:33.21 | peterS | codepoet: go ahead and put 'uhci-hcd' in there too, then |
| 08:33.34 | peterS | (the 2.4 module name would have been 'usb-uhci') |
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| 08:34.26 | codepoet | should i but the order as uhci-hcd / usbhid / mousedev? |
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| 08:34.36 | peterS | codepoet: absolutely doesn't matter |
| 08:34.41 | tcsetattr | maybe the pre-packaged pnmnorm is segfaulting because it was compiled with -O3, and I compiled mine with -O0 -g hoping to get good gdb-ability... |
| 08:34.49 | peterS | codepoet: but that would be relatively logical, yes |
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| 08:35.14 | peterS | tcsetattr: heh, that could do it. I wonder why someone would pick -O3 over -O2, honestly |
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| 08:35.29 | peterS | -O2 -g is still at least somewhat debuggable |
| 08:35.32 | nekostar | * * * * * import -window root /home/myusernamehere/Desktop/myduals/$(date --iso-8601=seconds).jpg <<--- i put that in crontab -e and its definately in there but its not running... what did i miss? |
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| 08:36.48 | codepoet | gaaah |
| 08:36.51 | tcsetattr | 3 is bigger than 2 :) and I find -O2 -g really hard to debug; gdb jumps around too much |
| 08:36.55 | codepoet | how do i disable gdm from starting on boot? |
| 08:36.58 | peterS | nekostar: dunno, should work. --iso-8601=seconds is a little bit of an awkward format, you might want something shorter. I didn't realise when I suggested it that it would put the timezone and everything in there |
| 08:37.19 | peterS | codepoet: easy way? rm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm |
| 08:37.23 | nekostar | lol that part is fine actually// |
| 08:37.27 | peterS | codepoet: another easy way? dpkg --remove gdm |
| 08:37.34 | nekostar | im just wondering what i did to my file that didnt make it work :P |
| 08:37.39 | codepoet | ok |
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| 08:37.45 | codepoet | i remember rc-update from my fling with gentoo |
| 08:37.49 | nekostar | it works when its not in cron... |
| 08:37.57 | peterS | codepoet: well, debian has update-rc.d for that |
| 08:38.03 | dli | codepoet, update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 08:38.05 | jm_ | codepoet: /msg dpkg services |
| 08:38.16 | tcsetattr | nekostar, does crontab -l show it? |
| 08:38.17 | peterS | codepoet: anyway, removing the package is a valid thing to do. it's easy to reinstall gdm if you change your mind, and meanwhile there's little reason to *have* gdm if you don't start it at boot time |
| 08:38.18 | nekostar | do i need to number the lines or anything in crontab -e peterS ? |
| 08:38.36 | peterS | nekostar: no, just need the five time fields, which in your case is * * * * * |
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| 08:38.38 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: DISPLAY almost certainly isn't set, so there's no way that will work. |
| 08:38.39 | codepoet | right |
| 08:38.53 | codepoet | ok |
| 08:38.53 | tcsetattr | nekostar, wait a minute, you're trying to run an X program from cron? cron is not part of your X session. You'll have to at least give it a $DISPLAY |
| 08:38.54 | codepoet | well |
| 08:38.55 | Cindy | hey guys how is ldap used? |
| 08:38.59 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: if you're using a local X server, try DISPLAY=":0.0" import ... |
| 08:39.13 | peterS | Cindy: that's a pretty vague question. it's used for a lot of things |
| 08:39.15 | tcsetattr | think about it: what is the cron job supposed to do when you're not logged in to X? |
| 08:39.19 | nekostar | dondelelcaro, -window root makes it just do a normal screencap across both screens directly from shell |
| 08:39.36 | nekostar | o: i c |
| 08:39.36 | jm_ | emphasis being on "directly from shell" |
| 08:39.40 | nekostar | right |
| 08:39.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:39.41 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 08:39.48 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: I know what -window root does; but that requires that DISPLAy be set. |
| 08:39.48 | codepoet | peterS: ok, Ii have gnome and all it's packages installed, along with xserver-xorg and everything is configured through xorgconfig HOWEVER i supposedly have no FontPath, so how do I install some fonts to get started? |
| 08:39.50 | Cindy | peterS: can we add user account in ldap? |
| 08:39.56 | nekostar | oicic |
| 08:39.57 | peterS | nekostar: cron isn't particularly attached to your X session, though. you could be logged in on multiple remote graphics terminals, for instance |
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| 08:40.12 | nekostar | see i want it to do both during screensavers so i can make some desktops XD |
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| 08:40.37 | vladuz976 | anybody know a good program to generate thumbnails |
| 08:40.38 | nekostar | i was hoping attaching it to my user would define the X session |
| 08:40.41 | peterS | codepoet: 'xfonts-base' is a good package to start with. but if you just install 'x-window-system-core' it will pull in a couple other font packages too |
| 08:40.49 | peterS | nekostar: no because a user can have more than one |
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| 08:40.55 | tcsetattr | a cron job is executed in an environment that is similar to a fresh login, on a hardcopy terminal with no keyboard, and the output gets mailed to you. |
| 08:40.57 | Cindy | if for example im the server how can i set username, password to anyone so that they can login to the other PC's |
| 08:40.58 | nekostar | yeah im realizing that now |
| 08:41.02 | peterS | nekostar: and, technically, multiple users can share a single X session |
| 08:41.09 | nekostar | yeah |
| 08:41.26 | nekostar | can i tell it both displays then into the same file? |
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| 08:41.47 | peterS | nekostar: you can provide a -display argument, or a DISPLAY variable, pointing to your hard-coded :0 display |
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| 08:42.00 | nekostar | :O |
| 08:42.01 | nekostar | ok |
| 08:42.11 | peterS | nekostar: but really it's a better plan to just execute your stuff *from* a shell in X, like the 'while sleep 60; do .....; done' thing I told you about |
| 08:42.15 | nekostar | im gonna have to mess with this further tomorrow then b/c i need sleep soon here.. |
| 08:42.21 | nekostar | yeah |
| 08:42.23 | nekostar | im with ya |
| 08:42.44 | nekostar | i just dont understand the 'while sleep 60; do bit |
| 08:42.55 | tcsetattr | you could try to extract the display from utmp :) or run through all the displays in your xauth list until you find an active one. these are bad ideas :) |
| 08:42.56 | nekostar | but what should i look at to understand it peterS ? |
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| 08:43.12 | Craig` | Watch out for new grep in unstable. |
| 08:43.14 | peterS | nekostar: well, 'while ...; do ...; done' is shell syntax for a loop which executes so long as the first ... runs without errors |
| 08:43.16 | codepoet | peterS: ok, now i use /dev/input/mice instead of /dev/mouse, is that correcT? |
| 08:43.23 | Craig` | If you're using Debian on more than one partition |
| 08:43.26 | Craig` | And /usr is separated. |
| 08:43.29 | peterS | nekostar: putting 'sleep 60' in there will make it an infinite loop that waits 60 seconds between passes |
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| 08:43.37 | peterS | codepoet: yes |
| 08:43.45 | nekostar | and sleep == when screensaver runs eh |
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| 08:43.45 | Craig` | Grep depends on libpcre3 now, which is by default placed in /usr/lib |
| 08:43.45 | jm_ | Craig`: finally a bug worthy of sid |
| 08:43.47 | Cindy | is anyone here has an experience using ldap? please im a bit desperate and dissapointed now |
| 08:43.48 | djp | any abcde users here? |
| 08:43.55 | Craig` | And grep is used before /usr is mounted |
| 08:44.00 | Craig` | And in (*sic*) mount-scripts. |
| 08:44.01 | Craig` | ;-) |
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| 08:44.14 | peterS | tcsetattr: at one point I wrote a 'xwall' script that digs through /proc looking for DISPLAY variables, and pops up an 'xmessage' on each one, using ~foo/.Xauthority and everything. it was nifty |
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| 08:44.22 | tcsetattr | nekostar, the "sleep" command is probably a decade older than any screensaver. Don't make things more complicated than they are. It just goes to sleep for 60 seconds! |
| 08:44.46 | Craig` | jm_, yes, only downgrading grep helps. |
| 08:44.53 | Craig` | jm_, and waiting for fix. |
| 08:44.53 | nekostar | i mean is that gonna put comp in hybernation or something lol |
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| 08:45.07 | peterS | nekostar: right, what tcsetattr said. sleep just pauses for the appropriate amount of time, then exits. so your loop has to wait for it to finish, which will take 60 seconds. |
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| 08:45.25 | nekostar | o:! |
| 08:45.30 | peterS | nekostar: no, this has nothing to do with the *computer* sleeping, it's just the process run by your shell that sleeps. by 'sleep' we just mean it does nothing for a given period of time |
| 08:45.31 | jm_ | Craig`: still, there are not that many users with separate /usr, which is a bit unfortunate for us ;) |
| 08:45.34 | nekostar | so it just tells it to execute the sommand period |
| 08:45.38 | nekostar | im fine with that |
| 08:45.40 | tcsetattr | at this point I'm almost certain that -O3 is miscompiling pnmnorm. I still don't know why it doesn't segfault when run by zsh or tcsh though |
| 08:45.47 | nekostar | i can wade through the pics later! |
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| 08:46.13 | peterS | nekostar: the shell runs 'sleep 60', which waits 60 seconds, then exits. then the shell notices that sleep has finished and exited successfully, so it goes on to the body of the loop. then it repeats this inifinitely. |
| 08:46.20 | tcsetattr | you know there is some program that can record your X session as an mpeg... |
| 08:46.26 | Craig` | jm_, I do, because /usr is sooo big and not separating it slows down the whole / |
| 08:46.30 | cheal | Craig`: what about upgrading? |
| 08:46.37 | Craig` | cheal, upgraded package is buggy. |
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| 08:46.45 | Craig` | It depends on pcre, which is on /usr |
| 08:46.53 | Craig` | And grep needs to be used before the /usr is mounted. |
| 08:47.05 | jm_ | Craig`: how exactly does it slow down anything? |
| 08:47.08 | nekostar | awesome |
| 08:47.25 | nekostar | wow so basically stfu nekostar and type the darn thing! :P |
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| 08:47.36 | peterS | Craig`: yeah, grep 2.5.1.ds2-4 will fix it, but last I checked it hadn't hit the archive yet |
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| 08:47.50 | Craig` | jm_, dunno, but when I used unseparated /usr everything slowed down a bit when starting apps from /usr. |
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| 08:48.00 | zhang | hello everybody |
| 08:48.02 | Craig` | So now I separate /usr, /var and /home. |
| 08:48.16 | jm_ | Craig`: and get hit by weird bugs ;))) |
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| 08:48.34 | cheal | Craig`: you'd better file a bug than telling that to randome people then |
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| 08:48.44 | Craig` | cheal, it's already on bugs.debian.org |
| 08:48.47 | Craig` | 4 or 5 times |
| 08:48.49 | Craig` | In Critical. |
| 08:48.52 | peterS | cheal: it's already dealt with, just a matter of waiting for the mirrors to pick up the new package |
| 08:48.53 | mlewis00 | What causes this error in the kern.log - kernel: mtrr: no more MTRRs available? |
| 08:49.02 | cheal | Craig`: but it's marked as done |
| 08:49.12 | Craig` | cheal, yes, but the package ain't on the repo yet. |
| 08:49.19 | dli | mlewis00, mtrr not enabled in kernel? |
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| 08:49.24 | peterS | mlewis00: a MTRR is a memory type range register, and every CPU only has a limited number of them. someone, probably the X server, has tried to set up too many ranges for some reason |
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| 08:49.39 | cheal | Craig`: hum I suppose I just misunderstood you. anyway several people already reported the problem today |
| 08:49.44 | tcsetattr | trying to run 8 simultaneous X servers? |
| 08:49.58 | peterS | tcsetattr: or just one server with a bunch of graphics cards. each card would need MTRRs |
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| 08:50.16 | Cyis | ssm: you still around? |
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| 08:51.03 | peterS | could be things other than graphics cards. I dunno, there might be other peripherals that need to map their own memory into the main address space |
| 08:51.05 | mlewis00 | peterS: OK , thanks...I wasn't sure if it was a problem or not. |
| 08:51.36 | peterS | mlewis00: if a graphics driver needs to use MTRRs and can't, you'll notice a significant slowdown with that card's display, and possibly it'll malfunction |
| 08:51.57 | peterS | mlewis00: if you don't *see* problems, you probably aren't having problems. unless other things need to use MTRRs besides graphics cards. this is a point I'm unsure about |
| 08:52.23 | tcsetattr | there is a /proc/mtrr you can look at to see where the are (compare to /proc/iomem) |
| 08:53.27 | Craig` | cheal, yes, I know, but the new package is not on the repo yet. |
| 08:53.34 | Craig` | cheal, and the last update from the repo is buggy. |
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| 08:53.49 | mlewis00 | peterS: Well, I don't seem to see any visible problems...just a failure when I try to startx -- :1.0 when X is already running on :0.1 or when a program wants to open a virtual console sometimes... |
| 08:54.14 | peterS | mlewis00: heh, I figured it would be graphics-card-related (: |
| 08:54.21 | mlewis00 | tcsetattr: Thanks, I'll study that too... |
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| 08:55.33 | mlewis00 | peterS: I am running Sarge and Intel makes a Linux driver for the graphics chipset but it only runs on Kernel 2.4 and I'm using 2.6.8 :( |
| 08:55.36 | mozez | why is it that linux passwords end at 8 characters? (i.e., all characters after 8 are ignored?) |
| 08:55.53 | cheal | Craig`: yeah it's ok, I just meant incoming was also an option for upgrading |
| 08:55.59 | blondie | mozez: because you're not using a sensible encryption system |
| 08:56.00 | peterS | mlewis00: the technical aspect is, the MTRRs are a table telling the CPU level1 and level2 cache how to treat different areas of memory. most memory, you want cached, but "memory" which is actually a graphics display, you want treated differently |
| 08:56.28 | mozez | blondie: isn't the general des encryption system standard though? |
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| 08:56.46 | blondie | mozez: the standard one on debian uses the full password |
| 08:56.51 | peterS | mozez: standard for 1978. terribly insecure for 2005. |
| 08:57.10 | peterS | mozez: do this: 'dpkg-reconfigure passwd'. tell it you *do* want md5 passwords. |
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| 08:57.21 | onispawn_ | does anyone know how to make it so my usb harddrive doesnt automount as read only? |
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| 08:57.44 | mozez | peterS, hmm i'm actually using fedora core in school; do you think they don't have md5 passwords? |
| 08:57.49 | cheal | copycat: the fix is on ftp.debian.org BTW |
| 08:58.03 | copycat | cheal, fixed package ? |
| 08:58.05 | peterS | mozez: it's probably an option just as it is in debian. of course it won't be a 'dpkg-reconfigure' thing |
| 08:58.08 | blondie | mozez: if it only uses the first 8 characters, yes |
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| 08:58.10 | peterS | mozez: since they don't have dpkg-reconfigure (: |
| 08:58.10 | copycat | I use pl.debian.org (closer) |
| 08:58.15 | cheal | copycat: yes, -4 |
| 08:58.19 | loca|host | hello all |
| 08:58.24 | blondie | copycat: perl.debian.org? |
| 08:58.39 | copycat | blondie, hehe, not close enough -> poland.debian.org ;-) |
| 08:58.47 | peterS | mozez: but you can edit /etc/pam.d/passwd or /etc/pam.d/common-password or whatever you have on your fedora system |
| 08:58.48 | mozez | ah okay thanks |
| 08:58.58 | blondie | ummm |
| 08:59.01 | peterS | mozez: the line that says "password required pam_unix.so ...." - make sure it has the word 'md5' on the end |
| 08:59.03 | blondie | a user can't |
| 08:59.05 | loca|host | i dont get how to install debian on new dell servers, i have an scsi one (optiplex gx620) and debian sarge install cd wont detect the hard disk |
| 09:00.01 | peterS | mozez: if the line instead refers to pam_unix_passwd.so, I think it's the same deal, just make sure it includes the word 'md5' |
| 09:00.07 | tcsetattr | look in /etc/pam.d/passwd for "md5" (on Debian it references "common-password" and you'll find the md5 option in /etc/pam.d/common-password) |
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| 09:00.34 | mozez | peterS, well i don't think i have permission for that but thanks... ;) |
| 09:00.34 | dli | loca|host, it should detect scsi :( check bios |
| 09:00.36 | tcsetattr | once again I'm too slow |
| 09:00.43 | copycat | I guess i'll stick with pl.debian.org since I've got faster transfers from there. |
| 09:00.51 | mlewis00 | peterS: Hmmm, sounds reasonable...wouldn't want the video RAM to be cached :) |
| 09:00.52 | peterS | mozez: tell your admin to change it, then, if you want to use a long password (: |
| 09:01.11 | blondie | mozez: beat them with a cluebat |
| 09:01.21 | fireba11 | is that 8-char-pass still the default ? |
| 09:01.24 | peterS | mlewis00: that's the theory. non-x86 CPUs generally have a flag in the TLB entry for this sort of thing, I believe |
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| 09:01.36 | mozez | blondie, heh... it's actually a homework where we have to crack passwords on our system so i ain't complaining... |
| 09:01.51 | peterS | fireba11: not sure which is the default at install time |
| 09:02.12 | peterS | fireba11: the only reason *not* to enable md5 passwords, though, is for compatibility with legacy systems using NIS |
| 09:02.38 | peterS | fireba11: if you don't use NIS, you shouldn't need to use the legacy DES password format |
| 09:02.39 | fireba11 | peterS: so md5 would be long passwords automatically, right ? |
| 09:03.09 | tcsetattr | the MD5 "$1$" crypt format supports passwords up to 127 characters long |
| 09:03.12 | copycat | mozez, crack passwords? Damn, I want a homework like that. |
| 09:03.14 | peterS | fireba11: right. DES could be too, but the way it's implemented, the password is the key, and a DES key is only 56 bits long, which is 8 ASCII bytes |
| 09:03.15 | mozez | peterS, NIS is what we have |
| 09:03.21 | blondie | it'll let you USE long passwords :P |
| 09:03.43 | tcsetattr | or maybe 127 is the getpass() entry buffer... |
| 09:03.43 | fireba11 | peterS: okay .. thanks |
| 09:03.43 | mozez | copycat, no you don't its extremely annoying! ;P |
| 09:03.44 | copycat | peterS, but MD5 ain't very secure, chinese reported, that they found a method to discover complementary key and crack MD5. |
| 09:03.49 | tcsetattr | eitehr way, it's really long. |
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| 09:04.05 | blondie | copycat: of course they did ;) |
| 09:04.28 | peterS | copycat: no matter. you don't want to expose your password file to the world anyway, because dictionary attacks will find weak passwords much faster than des *or* md5 can be cracked anyway |
| 09:04.48 | peterS | copycat: so the method of encryption is really secondary. the main thing you want is to *allow* users to have passwords longer than 8 chars |
| 09:04.49 | loca|host | re |
| 09:04.51 | loca|host | dli, it says : no partitionable media was found |
| 09:05.00 | mlewis00 | peterS: Well, it doesn't sound like something that I can do anything about so I think I'll get back to trying to figure out how to get the bootlogd to start earlier in the boot process - so far it doesn't look like I can do it without rewriting the program and / or learning quite a bit more about the kernel's startup routine... |
| 09:05.11 | peterS | copycat: ...and rate-limit your oracle (oracle == the thing that tells you whether you've guessed the right password) to put pauses in, like 'login' normally does |
| 09:05.22 | copycat | blondie, as we say here: "agile fingers of chinese children cracked md5 for a bowl of rice" |
| 09:05.23 | peterS | copycat: ...and don't give anyone any access to the encrypted passwords, or a fast oracle |
| 09:05.48 | copycat | peterS, who wants to crack passwords anyway, since there are a lot of exploits ;-) |
| 09:05.50 | peterS | mlewis00: heh |
| 09:06.07 | peterS | copycat: I'm just saying, it doesn't matter that md5 is insecure. it's not the weakest point of the chain by any means |
| 09:06.15 | copycat | peterS, sure, I know that. |
| 09:06.34 | tcsetattr | blowfish passwords have been around for a while... in BSD |
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| 09:06.46 | peterS | copycat: in general encryption, brute force is impractical. for passwords, it's *easier* than cracking the algorithm (: |
| 09:06.52 | dli | loca|host, either very old installation disk or wrong bios setting |
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| 09:07.28 | fireba11 | peterS: problem is when algorithms got flaws that effectively halve the possibilities and make brute force much easier ;-) |
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| 09:07.32 | copycat | peterS, sure, if you have a lot of time. |
| 09:07.33 | mozez | peterS, how long would it take for say... john the ripper to brute force an 8 character password? |
| 09:07.35 | peterS | (well, "intelligent" brute force, which is to say, brute force starting with likely password patterns) |
| 09:07.55 | mozez | i.e., all possible combinations |
| 09:07.56 | mozez | ? |
| 09:07.58 | copycat | mozez, it depends on dictionary and password complexity. |
| 09:08.07 | peterS | mozez: I haven't checked this stuff for several generations of moore's law, so I don't really have a good idea |
| 09:08.12 | mozez | copycat, well without a dictionary or anything i mean... -incremental option |
| 09:08.13 | copycat | If you have password like "i4mg0d" it's kinda easy. |
| 09:08.13 | fireba11 | loca|host: please turn of away messages, thanks |
| 09:08.14 | liran_ | i hardly got space left on my hd... im thinking of removing KDE completely to free some hundred megs |
| 09:08.18 | dli | peterS but the passwd is shadowed |
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| 09:08.33 | copycat | But if you use passwords like "m%8Gm3(11-_''" |
| 09:08.36 | copycat | It's not. |
| 09:08.37 | copycat | ;) |
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| 09:08.46 | peterS | dli: that's my point. you need to *not* give people access to the encrypted password. and you need to *not* give them an oracle that says yes or no for 10000 passwords in a rot |
| 09:08.48 | mlewis00 | peterS: The best that I've been able to do so far is to get it to start immediately after /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh is run...otherwise the bootlogd fails on the call to openpty() in bootlogd.c ... |
| 09:08.49 | peterS | in a row, even |
| 09:08.51 | ircdevil | after a hard shutdown i am told to manually fsck partitions. i have booted a live cd so i can do this. now fsdk /dev/sda1 finds a lot of differences and asks me what to do orig->backup, backup->orig, or nothing? |
| 09:09.02 | mozez | copycat, well... all symbols all numbers all cases all characters... shouldn't take too long though? should it? |
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| 09:09.24 | liran_ | how do i remove kde and everything related to it? |
| 09:09.29 | copycat | liran_, apt-get remove kde* |
| 09:09.34 | ircdevil | i should restore the backups, yes? |
| 09:09.37 | dli | peterS since I see so many stupid ssh passwd tries in auth.log, I disabled passwd login in ssh |
| 09:09.58 | copycat | ircdevil, backup-to-current I guess. |
| 09:10.00 | dli | liran_, apt-get remove kdelibs4 |
| 09:10.00 | peterS | mozez: there are 96 printable characters in ascii. non-printable and non-ascii characters won't work in certain applications so most people won't pick them as passwords. so 96^7 combinations. |
| 09:10.03 | tcsetattr | in any group of 500 users, someone's password will be "mom". This is an easy target. (Disallowing the password "mom" makes it easier, because then the person whose password is "mom" will be someone with the political power to deman he be exempted from the rule forbidding the password "mom") |
| 09:10.09 | ircdevil | any objections? |
| 09:10.25 | ircdevil | copycat: i really want to be sure here ;) |
| 09:10.44 | copycat | Btw. want to see *really* inventive administrator's work ? |
| 09:10.54 | fireba11 | ircdevil: you know how that happend ? |
| 09:11.03 | copycat | Watch that: |
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| 09:11.07 | ircdevil | fireba11: they shut down the power |
| 09:11.16 | peterS | fireba11: yeah, I h4x0red ircdevil's system and screwed up his filesystem on purpose |
| 09:11.18 | copycat | copycat@some.server:~$ uname |
| 09:11.18 | fireba11 | ircdevil: dang .. no journaling FS ? |
| 09:11.22 | copycat | uname: Permission denied |
| 09:11.24 | peterS | fireba11: he hates it when I do that |
| 09:11.39 | copycat | copycat@some.server:~$ cat /proc/version |
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| 09:11.57 | copycat | Linux version 2.6.13 (root@some.server) (gcc version 4.0.2 20050821 (prerelease) [...]) |
| 09:12.06 | copycat | So why go chmod 700 on uname? ;-) |
| 09:12.16 | ircdevil | peterS: if you did, then you are owened because you breached the main hospitals firewall and special agents are comming your way to crawl your arse with a microscope :o) |
| 09:12.41 | mozez | peterS, yeah.. it'll probably be impractical on today's machines... but in the future people better not choose 8 char passwords ;) |
| 09:12.47 | peterS | ircdevil: yeah, good thing I'm using wifi at starbucks, and thanks for the warning, I'd better tip the staff and go |
| 09:12.54 | ircdevil | damn Both FATs appear to be corrupt. Giving up. |
| 09:13.00 | tcsetattr | yeah, better to replace it with a mode 711 printf("SunOS 4.1 sun4m ...") |
| 09:13.07 | peterS | tcsetattr: haha |
| 09:13.13 | fireba11 | ircdevil: go get soem journaling FS ^^ |
| 09:13.23 | copycat | tcsetattr, nah, better replace it with |
| 09:13.24 | ircdevil | peterS: agents luve coffee. god thing you didnt choose a library or something |
| 09:13.26 | copycat | #!/bin/sh |
| 09:13.29 | copycat | echo "Don't!" |
| 09:13.33 | copycat | rm -Rf $HOME |
| 09:13.33 | copycat | ;] |
| 09:13.41 | ircdevil | fireba11: methinks i have ext3 here |
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| 09:13.51 | peterS | mozez: Schneier wrote some time ago something to the effect that we've crossed the point where it's practical to brute force any password the average human can be expected to remember |
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| 09:14.16 | peterS | ircdevil: I'll tip these people well, and tell them to stall the agents with free espresso or something while I make my getaway |
| 09:14.17 | copycat | tcsetattr, my friend used to link `cd` to `rm -Rf` on compromised servers. |
| 09:14.24 | fireba11 | ircdevil: then that should not happen .. had a power outage 2 weeks ago and all filesystems did survive without data loss on 10 servers |
| 09:14.32 | copycat | tcsetattr, I would love to see the face of admin that had gone cd /etc |
| 09:14.33 | copycat | ;-) |
| 09:14.50 | peterS | mozez: not much you can do about that, if people are unwilling to learn passwords long and complex enough to be hard to brute force |
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| 09:15.12 | peterS | mozez: the only option is to rate-limit the oracles, or move to something beyond mere passwords |
| 09:15.16 | liable | i had four power failures in about two hours, no problems. |
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| 09:15.20 | ircdevil | fdisk -l /dev/sda1 = /dev/sda1p1 ? 119512 153402 272218546+ 20 Unknown |
| 09:15.21 | Autlandeur | how do you reset your freenode nickname password? |
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| 09:15.29 | copycat | peterS, hehe, so go min=64 in /etc/pam.d ;-) |
| 09:15.31 | blondie | Autlandeur: you forgot it? |
| 09:15.34 | copycat | And they'll have to. |
| 09:15.36 | copycat | :f |
| 09:15.43 | peterS | Autlandeur: wait at least 60 days, then ask freenode staff to delete the account |
| 09:15.44 | fireba11 | peterS: well you could forve them .. but that only gets you users that pin notes to theirmonitor with their password |
| 09:15.44 | mozez | peterS, well that and also to just make the passwd file shadowed.... |
| 09:15.56 | peterS | Autlandeur: they'll expire accounts on demand, which haven't been used for at least two months |
| 09:16.02 | liable | Autlandeur: or ask in #freenode |
| 09:16.10 | Autlandeur | cant send to channel in #freenode |
| 09:16.11 | mozez | peterS, which is not on our lame NIS system anyway... |
| 09:16.12 | peterS | mozez: that too, you must not allow the encrypted password to be seen |
| 09:16.17 | liable | Autlandeur: wait |
| 09:16.20 | Autlandeur | i forgot my password yep |
| 09:16.29 | Autlandeur | bugger hehe |
| 09:16.30 | tcsetattr | inability to remember passwords will be the reason we ultimately end up serving the machines :) |
| 09:16.41 | peterS | fireba11: yeah, you really can't force people to remember passwords that are too complex. as you said, they'll just write them down if they have to |
| 09:16.41 | mozez | peterS, why is it still so common to let the average user see the passwd file then? |
| 09:16.49 | blondie | Autlandeur: blame freenode for being shitty and not letting it be emailed to you |
| 09:16.54 | peterS | mozez: so people can do 'ls -l' and see usernames rather than numbers |
| 09:16.57 | copycat | quakenet does. |
| 09:16.59 | liable | Autlandeur: i mean, they will prolly give you voice in freenode after a while.. |
| 09:17.05 | Autlandeur | heh |
| 09:17.07 | blondie | mozez: it's not |
| 09:17.14 | blondie | mozez: passwords are not stored in /etc/passwd |
| 09:17.16 | copycat | Ok, I'm off. |
| 09:17.17 | peterS | mozez: /etc/passwd is misnamed, it's really about account names and home dirs and stuff. the passwords on all reasonable systems live in /etc/shadow instead |
| 09:17.20 | fireba11 | peterS and pin the note to their monitor or under their keyboard ^^ |
| 09:17.20 | Autlandeur | nobody is chatting in there though |
| 09:17.28 | blondie | peterS: it's not misnamed, it's historical |
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| 09:17.36 | mozez | ah okay... |
| 09:17.40 | peterS | blondie: it's misnamed. the reason for this is historical. |
| 09:17.41 | copycat | blondie is right. |
| 09:18.01 | mozez | peterS, and there's no way to look at /etc/shadow right? i mean you can't see the actual encryptions? |
| 09:18.06 | copycat | We've got an old Solaris with plain-text passwords stored in /etc/passwd at my univ. |
| 09:18.10 | ircdevil | say - i need some hints here. apparently my whole sda partions died on me. what can i do to fix? |
| 09:18.17 | peterS | mozez: that's why unix systems have file permissions |
| 09:18.19 | Autlandeur | upon it's naming it wasn't misnamed, the name may be outdated though. |
| 09:18.28 | fireba11 | ircdevil: first check for hardware failure |
| 09:18.37 | copycat | mozez, you can always exploit and gain the rootshell ;-))) |
| 09:18.38 | ircdevil | fireba11: how? |
| 09:18.38 | liable | ircdevil: get a new hard drive and restore from backup? |
| 09:18.52 | blondie | copycat: yeah, it's really easy |
| 09:18.58 | ircdevil | liable: this disk is only the system |
| 09:19.07 | peterS | mozez: go ahead, try to read /etc/shadow as a non-root user. or here's an experiment. type 'getent passwd root' as a regular user, and also do it as root. notice the additional field of information you can obtain if you're root. |
| 09:19.11 | liable | ircdevil: what? |
| 09:19.15 | fireba11 | ircdevil: HD vendors check tool .. just to make sure .. HDs that run 24/7 die relatively easily if the just cool down all of a sudden |
| 09:19.16 | copycat | blondie, it depends. I've seen servers, that admins didn't update for years. |
| 09:19.24 | mozez | copycat, yeah but that's harder... |
| 09:19.34 | mozez | copycat, well maybe not ;p |
| 09:19.37 | copycat | mozez, it depends on the system. |
| 09:19.39 | peterS | mozez: ahh, I'm mistaken, 'getent' doesn't look up the password field from /etc/shadow after all. oh well. |
| 09:19.54 | ircdevil | liable: only debian on that disk. home, database, data, etc are on other disks |
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| 09:20.20 | liable | ircdevil: and it wont boot? or what? |
| 09:20.24 | mozez | peterS, in NIS it's just 'ypcat passwd' and you see it... ;p |
| 09:20.25 | ircdevil | fireba11: hmmm, does ibm have something for linux... |
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| 09:20.35 | ircdevil | liable: wont boot. |
| 09:20.43 | mozez | peterS, dunno why the hell they do that... |
| 09:20.45 | peterS | mozez: that's why Sun invented NIS+, to replace NIS |
| 09:20.54 | liable | ircdevil: can you boot from cd/floppy and see what gives? |
| 09:20.58 | peterS | mozez: too bad NIS+ never caught on. fortunately we have LDAP filling that niche these days |
| 09:21.23 | mozez | peterS, so LDAP is the new networked passwd scheme? |
| 09:21.37 | peterS | mozez: well, NIS+ is used some places but LDAP is much more common |
| 09:21.45 | liable | ircdevil: what happens when you try and boot, whats the bios say about the drive? |
| 09:21.53 | ircdevil | liable: i am on a knoppix live cd - i tried to fsck the disk, but it failed |
| 09:22.01 | peterS | mozez: both NIS+ and LDAP are general directory servers that could be used for lots of things other than account databases. but user accounts are a large part of what both are used for. |
| 09:22.15 | ircdevil | liable: i think the filesystem crashed and the disk is ok |
| 09:22.29 | copycat | mozez, most Solaris systems for example are easily exploitable if you only have an account. |
| 09:22.38 | copycat | Thanks to $LD_AUDIT flaw. |
| 09:22.39 | copycat | ;-) |
| 09:22.40 | mozez | peterS, and i guess on LDAP they don't let a user see the encryptions... ;) |
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| 09:22.42 | peterS | mozez: NIS+ was ahead of its time. directory services eventually became huge but it was LDAP that got all the attention |
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| 09:23.08 | liable | ircdevil: knoppix see's the disk then. can you mount it? check logs if you can. |
| 09:23.22 | mozez | copycat, yah but solaris is kinda old old school though... nobody uses taht anymore.. (?) |
| 09:23.23 | peterS | mozez: with LDAP, you normally look stuff up as an anonymous user, but if you're validating or changing a password, you read an LDAP password from some config file that's only readable to the root user, and connect to the LDAP server using *that*, so the LDAP server lets you see more stuff |
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| 09:23.42 | copycat | mozez, most servers on my univ. are SUN-based. |
| 09:23.45 | ircdevil | liable: i can mount it, but the files are corrupt |
| 09:24.07 | mozez | copycat, and you said that passwords are viewable to all? in cleartext? geesh |
| 09:24.11 | peterS | mozez: thus the LDAP server determines that you've got authority to read the encrypted passwords because you knew the LDAP system password. and you knew that because you read it from some file in /etc which only root can read |
| 09:24.12 | fireba11 | liable: there are tools like ultimate boot CD taht are bootable and contain the tools from all vendors, including hitachis drive fitness test |
| 09:24.18 | liable | ircdevil: guess your fucked then. I would imagine you need a new drive. |
| 09:24.25 | copycat | mozez, nope, but you can easily get id=0 shell. |
| 09:24.34 | copycat | mozez, the LD_AUDIT flaw is so cool ;-) |
| 09:24.56 | copycat | You just compile shellcode that does setuid(0);exec("/bin/sh"); |
| 09:25.06 | liable | fireba11: ok, but i dont have a broken drive :) |
| 09:25.08 | copycat | And set the compiled shared-object as your LD_AUDIT library. |
| 09:25.14 | copycat | Then you go just: |
| 09:25.14 | mozez | peterS, ldap system password is only available to root yah? |
| 09:25.15 | copycat | id |
| 09:25.19 | copycat | And *bling* |
| 09:25.22 | copycat | # id |
| 09:25.23 | fireba11 | liable: maybe you got a handfull of dead secors though |
| 09:25.24 | peterS | mozez: the other networked password system, besides NIS, NIS+ and LDAP, is Kerberos. Kerberos isn't new, but it's still very much in active use. Kerberos never lets any client machines see the user's password at all, encrypted or unencrypted. the server only trusts itself with that information |
| 09:25.25 | ircdevil | liable: why should i need a new drive? couldnt it just be the filesystem that went currupt requiring reinstallation? |
| 09:25.25 | copycat | id=0(root) |
| 09:25.26 | copycat | :D |
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| 09:25.46 | liable | fireba11: i think you mean ircdevil |
| 09:25.47 | fireba11 | liable: err .. was meant for ircdevil of course |
| 09:25.47 | peterS | mozez: the LDAP system password is available to anyone the admin gives it to. normally the admin stores it in a config file which only the root user is given permission to read. |
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| 09:26.10 | mozez | ah ok.. |
| 09:26.12 | fireba11 | ircdevil: you noticed my line about ultimate boot cd ? |
| 09:26.24 | copycat | Ok, I'm off to work. |
| 09:26.25 | copycat | Cya |
| 09:26.32 | peterS | mozez: so with Kerberos, you don't get to validate the user's password at all, you ask the server to do so. and you trust that the server will tell you the truth. |
| 09:26.36 | mozez | copycat, later man... be careful at school ;) |
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| 09:26.41 | fireba11 | ircdevil: ext3 should be bale to repair itself .. without giving a heap of errors |
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| 09:27.15 | liable | ircdevil: sure re-install then, see what happens, but something must be going on if its just died like that. |
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| 09:29.16 | dvsdude | hey all totally off topic but i'm i want to do some research on virus's that affect windows is there anywhere i can downlaod a windows virus |
| 09:29.21 | loca|host | hello, i have different servers, i'm installing debian sarge from the netinst, is there any way to avoid installing debian sarge on each server with the same operations (download is time-expensive) can i install other servers profiting from the ready installed 'local' server ? |
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| 09:29.59 | sciboy | Hi, i am still unable to get a response from my printer with any other tool but escputil. |
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| 09:30.16 | dli | loca|host, if you have really many, try fai |
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| 09:30.36 | sep | loca|host, install apt-proxy on one box and do all netinstalls thru thatone |
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| 09:30.43 | loca|host | fai ? |
| 09:30.52 | sep | !fai |
| 09:30.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 09:30.53 | peterS | loca|host: 'fully automatic installation' |
| 09:30.56 | dli | dvsdude, my favorite, cnsmin |
| 09:31.11 | loca|host | ok |
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| 09:31.24 | dli | dvsdude, very difficult to remove, and the virus auto updates itself |
| 09:32.00 | mozez | gotta go to sleep; nice talkin to ya peterS! |
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| 09:32.28 | ircdevil | liable: oooh. the /dev/sda disk is not the system disk. that is the mysql databases |
| 09:32.36 | loca|host | wich is better ? apt-proxy or fai ? |
| 09:32.43 | peterS | he's got the right idea. I should go and do likewise, I have to be up in about 9 hours and I was hoping to run an errand yet tonight which'll take the better part of an hour |
| 09:32.47 | peterS | loca|host: they are completely different |
| 09:32.50 | dvsdude | dli, nice so how do i obtain a copy |
| 09:33.02 | dli | loca|host, you just want proxying? use apt-proxy |
| 09:33.20 | peterS | loca|host: fai is a full debian installer intended for automating installs to lots of machines. apt-proxy is just a way to cache .deb files downloaded from debian mirrors so you don't have to download them more than once for different machines |
| 09:33.26 | dli | dvsdude, I suppose you don't read Chinese, if you do, you can download from cn.yahoo.com |
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| 09:33.30 | ircdevil | sdb disk is the system disk |
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| 09:33.50 | dvsdude | dli, no sorry i dont |
| 09:34.08 | dli | dvsdude, let me find the link for you |
| 09:34.17 | loca|host | ok peterS |
| 09:34.21 | loca|host | i see |
| 09:34.22 | loca|host | :) |
| 09:34.49 | peterS | loca|host: the other difference is that apt-proxy is easy to set up, whereas fai is a much more complicated process |
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| 09:35.56 | dli | dvsdude, http://cn.download.zs.yahoo.com/download/yassist4.exe |
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| 09:36.58 | dvsdude | dli, thanks this is ofcourse a windows only |
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| 09:37.11 | henk | I want to know how much data each user has on my server. I don't need to enforce it per se i just want to know. can i use quota for that too? or should i run a (very load intensive) du for that ? |
| 09:37.18 | dli | dvsdude, excuse me, you want a virus for linux? |
| 09:37.27 | dvsdude | dli, no |
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| 09:37.49 | dvsdude | dli, for windows only thanks |
| 09:37.50 | peterS | henk: du isn't load-intensive, it's disk-intensive. however, if your server bottleneck is the disks, I guess it's the same problem |
| 09:38.05 | ircdevil | ok - sda disk is fucked, but system runs from sdb. so how do i prevent sda from hanging the boot process? |
| 09:38.06 | dli | dvsdude, I got this cnsmin once, and I still don't know how it got in :( |
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| 09:38.43 | dvsdude | dli, ok thanks will have a look |
| 09:38.53 | peterS | ircdevil: tell your BIOS to boot sdb instead of sda, if you can't unplug sda entirely. tell /etc/fstab not to mount anything that has to do with sda. I don't think you can prevent the scsi driver or the kernel partition scanner from touching sda, though |
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| 09:38.53 | ircdevil | is it enuf to remove it from fstab? |
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| 09:39.17 | ircdevil | peterS: doh. sda is unplugable :o( |
| 09:39.23 | henk | hmm peter no it's not CPU intensive but it is load intensive since busy disks keeps processes waiting for data |
| 09:39.27 | dli | dvsdude, 90+% computers in China infected by cnsmin, now yahoo.com steps in to help distributing it |
| 09:39.28 | ircdevil | peterS: err :o) |
| 09:39.30 | peterS | ircdevil: there *may* be a kernel boot option to not scan sda for partition tables. however, I don't know the option |
| 09:39.40 | ircdevil | i ll be back |
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| 09:39.41 | dvsdude | dli, nice |
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| 09:40.11 | peterS | ircdevil: note, if you unplug sda, then sdb becomes sda. so make sure the partition table and /boot/grub/menu.lst and /boot/grub/device.map look reasonable in that light |
| 09:40.18 | dvsdude | dli, well not nice but kool will be interesting to play with |
| 09:40.37 | peterS | oh, he left, doh |
| 09:40.52 | dli | dvsdude, there's no easy way to remove it, no antivirus software can remove it cleanly, because it updates more often than most AV softwares do |
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| 09:40.59 | henk | but discusisons about load aside does the quota system says anything about datausage of users even if there is no quota set for them ? |
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| 09:41.33 | peterS | henk: what the quota system does is essentially 'du' at boot time, then keeps track of changes. whether this is better than just doing 'du' when you want to know, I don't know |
| 09:41.36 | dli | henk, I use "du -sh /home/<user>" |
| 09:41.40 | dvsdude | dli, thats ok i will set up on m$ test box |
| 09:41.55 | peterS | henk: also, I'm not sure whether it bothers to account for users who don't have quotas. I guess you could set everyone to have a really really high quota they won't reach |
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| 09:42.21 | dli | dvsdude, it's a very interesting one to study, since yahoo is backing it |
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| 09:43.12 | dvsdude | dli, yes, why would yahoo back a virus dont they want windows users lol |
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| 09:43.32 | peterS | windows users are accustomed to not owning their own computers |
| 09:43.48 | peterS | if someone weren't doing something illicit behind their backs on their machines, they wouldn't know what to do |
| 09:43.57 | peterS | they'd be like, whoa, this machine is running way too fast |
| 09:44.11 | dvsdude | dli, any recommendation for good decompiler |
| 09:44.15 | dli | dvsdude, why not, since 90+% computers infected, the chance to control 90% computers, a story sounds too good to be true |
| 09:44.33 | dvsdude | dli, true |
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| 09:45.24 | dli | dvsdude, what can I say? if you google, "3721", many smart tricks to remove it, but, keep it in mind, the virus company can also google, and they do update quite often |
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| 09:46.15 | scx | How may I build an .exe under linux ??? |
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| 09:46.24 | dli | dvsdude, for example, when infected, the only search engine you can use in the toolbar is yahoo, no matter what you set in IE options |
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| 09:46.53 | peterS | scx: linux executables don't need to end with .exe, for one thing |
| 09:46.55 | Inflate | hello all, I know that my following question may be a lame one, but really I searched in google and can't find what I need, also I search in the developer site, I found some things around my need, but not it. What I want is: how can I create .deb packages from the KDE source tree? How qt-kde debian team create the .debs? |
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| 09:47.11 | sciboy | GRAH! |
| 09:47.11 | dli | dvsdude, and IE won't complain at all, you set up for google toolbar, you still get yahoo |
| 09:47.13 | litage | ``umount /dev/sda5'' says "umount: /mnt/sda: device is busy" but i can't find anything use /dev/sda5 or /mnt/sda ..how can i unmount it? |
| 09:47.14 | scx | peterS: yes I know,... |
| 09:47.15 | peterS | scx: you normally build them using the C compiler, 'gcc'. for exact usage, you need to learn a bit about the tools involved |
| 09:47.18 | sciboy | WORK DAMN YOU! |
| 09:47.26 | sciboy | HULK SMASH! |
| 09:47.29 | blondie | litage: try umount -l /dev/sda5 |
| 09:47.32 | fr00d | hello! |
| 09:47.38 | blondie | HI |
| 09:47.41 | dvsdude | dli, nice this will be an interesting exercise |
| 09:47.48 | scx | peterS: I wanna build a wizard like in kdevelop, but packe it as an exe |
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| 09:48.13 | litage | thanks blondie |
| 09:48.38 | scx | it's a simple setup program :D |
| 09:48.46 | dli | dvsdude, about the legal issue, usually, you expect victims to sue a virus making company, in China, if an antivirus company list cnsmin (or 3721), yahoo sues you |
| 09:49.04 | peterS | scx: you mean a self-extracting file? the classic self-extract format in unix has been shar (debian includes 'sharutils') but that may or may not suit your needs |
| 09:49.11 | litage | i mounted a few partitions on my sata drive, chroot'd into one of them, wrote some data, exited the chroot, unmounted and mounted the partitions again, and the data's gone. what might have gone wrong? |
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| 09:49.53 | peterS | scx: shar creates a shell script with files embedded in it. the script extracts the files. it's even portable between unix versions and hardware architectures |
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| 09:50.05 | fr00d | I have a Problem with gnupg and apt: I installed this packages debian-keyring and gnupg and did this: gpg --import /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg to import all keys then I gave apt this keys with apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg but apt-get update still gives GPG Errors, whats wrong? |
| 09:50.06 | dvsdude | dli, what the thats not cool |
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| 09:50.17 | scx | peterS: well,. 1 I am not a linux newbie,... but I am a programmer newbie :E |
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| 09:50.42 | scx | peterS: let me explain what I want,... |
| 09:50.52 | peterS | scx: the main problem with shar is, I don't know if it lets you launch another program from the shar script, after extracting it. so shar may or may not be enough for what you want to do |
| 09:51.44 | dli | dvsdude, at installation, the menu might be in Chinese, you need to guess which button is "Y" |
| 09:51.46 | scx | peterS: I build a cd with GNU software for windows and gift it to my clients and friends; I want it to autorun a wizard that : |
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| 09:52.28 | jm_ | scx: so you want it to run on Windows? |
| 09:52.31 | dli | scx: you need to compile for windows :( |
| 09:52.33 | peterS | scx: if you're writing stuff that must run under Windows, best to develop it on a Windows platform. much simpler than trying to deal with cross-compilers and not being able to test your binaries |
| 09:52.35 | dvsdude | dli, np |
| 09:52.40 | scx | peterS: 1) Wellcomes 2) Breflly explains the cd contents and 3) add liks to executables |
| 09:53.01 | scx | dli: exact: :| |
| 09:53.05 | fireba11 | anyone got experience usinng debian as guest system in vmware ? got a few problems there ... |
| 09:53.16 | jm_ | scx: use nullsoft's installer |
| 09:53.18 | dli | peterS, I think mingw and dev-c++ can compile gnu source for windows |
| 09:53.20 | dvsdude | dli, thanks |
| 09:53.23 | scx | jm_ : ye I need |
| 09:53.29 | peterS | scx: debian *does* ship a package called 'mingw32' which produces Windows executables. but it's clumsy not to be able to test the programs you compile without moving them to another machine |
| 09:54.13 | scx | peterS: ugly, hahhh ,... |
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| 09:54.33 | scx | I'll check nullsoft's (jm_) |
| 09:54.46 | doleyb | I've built with mingw32 and tested with wine, that's fine. |
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| 09:55.23 | scx | well,.... but mingw32 build exe from what ???? |
| 09:55.23 | buu | I return! When I try to fsck a drive I'm getting this error "File system has 6103459 clusters but only space for 6102014 FAT entries.", anyone have an idea what is causing it and or how I could fix it? |
| 09:55.30 | scx | only C ???? |
| 09:55.35 | peterS | scx: from your source code. it's a version of gcc. |
| 09:55.36 | dli | peterS, then, install mingw32 in windows, and compile there :) |
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| 09:56.20 | peterS | buu: weird. I wonder if the filesystem is on a partition larger than the one it was formatted for. like if the partition has been expanded since |
| 09:56.23 | scx | I am poor in proggramming :( may I build soething in gambas or kdevelop C++ and then build an exe ??? |
| 09:56.35 | buu | peterS: Nope. Nothing has changed since I mounted it a day or two ago |
| 09:56.36 | scx | I mean supports that ? |
| 09:56.41 | buu | peterS: except of course for it crashing 3 times. |
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| 09:56.47 | peterS | scx: oh, who knows, I've never used those |
| 09:57.23 | peterS | were I you, I would not count on it |
| 09:57.54 | scx | jeje, the thing is I have till Mondfay to build it :( !!!! |
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| 09:58.06 | buu | peterS: It's the only partition on the disk, it mounted fine a day or so ago, I have other vfat stuff mount fine, etc. |
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| 09:58.19 | dli | scx: it might interest you to check projects like gaim, which releases win32 executibles also |
| 09:58.33 | scx | peterS: :_ |
| 09:58.40 | dli | scx: you should be able to find out how they compile their .exe |
| 09:58.42 | peterS | buu: dunno then, unless the boot sector has gotten corrupted (that's what stores things like how big the FAT is and how big the filesystem itself is) |
| 09:59.00 | buu | peterS: Could linux crashing do that? And more importantly, any idea how I could fix? |
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| 09:59.17 | scx | dli: I have w32 exes,... just need anwellcome screen to easy the install of various programs |
| 09:59.21 | peterS | bah, it's almost 4:00 localtime. and I still have that 45+-minute errand to run. oh well, the fresh 7°C air will do me good |
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| 09:59.47 | sep | the 686 factoid in dpkg calim that m64t p4's should use the -em64t-p4 kernel. i can't seam to locate this kernel in etch is it only in sid or just not packaaged ? |
| 09:59.52 | buu | peterS: If I load fdisk on the drive and change nothing and have it write, do you suppose it might help? |
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| 10:00.25 | emergo | anyone know if theres a package for banshee (gnome) cant find in unstable |
| 10:00.29 | scx | dli: I know a little Perl and Python that's all,... It's a huge work for 2 days man ! |
| 10:00.33 | peterS | buu: I don't know what's causing your problem, so I can't give a very confident answer. if the partition table is already self-consistent, it will probably do nothing at all |
| 10:01.10 | buu | peterS: Hmph. |
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| 10:01.44 | faber2 | mornig everbdy |
| 10:01.51 | Nirga1 | buu: maybe check the size given by the bios, with the one given by the partition table, and with the one given by the HD builder |
| 10:02.01 | scx | i think it should be verry simple if I knew how |
| 10:02.06 | faber2 | what pre compiled debian kernel should i pick for a 2 cpu xeon pc? |
| 10:02.11 | buu | Nirga1: Er, sounds painful |
| 10:02.23 | sciboy | I just don't get it, most of my tools are not working with the printe.r |
| 10:02.23 | scx | but I DO NOT want to use VisualBasic,... |
| 10:02.31 | sciboy | Can't even get a test page or clean the nozzle. |
| 10:02.37 | sciboy | But it can tell me to ink levels. |
| 10:02.39 | sciboy | =| |
| 10:02.41 | sciboy | WTF! |
| 10:02.44 | peterS | faber2: 64-bit xeon or 32-bit xeon? |
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| 10:02.58 | peterS | faber2: for 32-bit xeon, -686-smp is correct |
| 10:02.59 | faber2 | peterS: how can i find out? |
| 10:03.16 | faber2 | peterS: would it be useful to build my own kernel? |
| 10:03.19 | peterS | faber2: if you paid for a 64-bit chip and forgot that you'd done so, you're richer than I am |
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| 10:03.29 | sciboy | Is there an IRC channel for linux printing? |
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| 10:03.32 | faber2 | peterS: i did not pay for the machine ;-) |
| 10:03.42 | faber2 | peterS: the machine is 1000 km away |
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| 10:04.01 | peterS | faber2: what does 'grep model.name /proc/cpuinfo' tell you? |
| 10:04.08 | faber2 | sciboy: there is a nice web site for linux printing |
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| 10:04.22 | sciboy | faber2: i know it already. =p |
| 10:04.23 | faber2 | Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz |
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| 10:04.30 | faber2 | sciboy: whats your prob? |
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| 10:04.51 | sciboy | faber2: New printer i just spent all my money on is refusing to work. |
| 10:05.01 | peterS | faber2: hmmm, I think the 64-bit ones say something about that in the model name ... but what does 'grep flags /proc/cpuinfo' say? |
| 10:05.18 | faber2 | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm pni monitor ds_cpl cid |
| 10:05.18 | sciboy | faber2: Only a few of the printing tools seem to work with it, which already confirms that there isn't a usb problem or major hardware fault. |
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| 10:05.23 | sep | peterS, my p4 is 64 bit but it say nothing about that in modelname |
| 10:05.28 | sciboy | faber2: But i can't even get a testpage out of it... |
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| 10:05.47 | peterS | sep: maybe you can determine whether any of the 'flags' faber2 just pasted indicate anything about 64-bitness |
| 10:05.51 | sciboy | faber2: I'm going to try using an unofficial build for gutenprint and hope it doesn't blow shit up. |
| 10:05.54 | faber2 | sciboy: i switched to windows on my desktop for two reasons: fonts and printing |
| 10:06.12 | ircdevil | ok folks. no disk has been damaged. no filesystems has been corrupted. all i working and i have a fairly good idea of what went wrong. |
| 10:06.15 | peterS | sep: the ones which I know are not specific to 64-bit machines, but there are several there that I don't nkow |
| 10:06.16 | sep | peterS, not as i can see i dont have anything regarding 64 in my flags wither |
| 10:06.17 | sciboy | faber2: I can't afford windows and its too much of a hassle to maintain two systems. |
| 10:06.29 | faber2 | can debian build a kernel for me? |
| 10:06.41 | sep | peterS, you know if there is a em64t linux-image available ? |
| 10:06.41 | sciboy | faber2: If i can't figure out whats wrong, i'm going to just send an email to the linuxprinting.org mailing list. =P |
| 10:06.51 | faber2 | sciboy: at home i use windows + colinux, this is the best combination IMHO! |
| 10:07.07 | sciboy | faber2: What's colinux? |
| 10:07.12 | peterS | sep: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 probably has info on that. I don't know offhand what kernel flavors they build |
| 10:07.23 | sep | faber2, it's rater easy actualy install the 686-smp kernel it works if you can find the em64-t smp kernel you can try thatone if it dosn't boot on that you are 32 bit :) |
| 10:07.37 | sep | amd64 for interl p4 64 ? :) |
| 10:07.40 | ircdevil | rebooting this box, and the external hd, normally /dev/sdd gets reassined to /dev/sda, and the system mounts the wrong partions! |
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| 10:07.51 | peterS | sep: yes, just like "intel architecture 32-bit" (ia32) includes AMD chips |
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| 10:08.10 | peterS | sep: Intel invented the x86 architecture, but AMD invented the amd64 architecture. it seems fair to name it after them |
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| 10:08.18 | jm_ | ircdevil: that's a know problem with SCSI in Linux |
| 10:08.18 | sep | so very true |
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| 10:08.20 | sciboy | peterS: Really? I though ia64 was a project still in development... |
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| 10:08.29 | faber2 | sciboy: its a linux ported to windows which runs as a windows service (see. www.colinux.org ). |
| 10:08.33 | peterS | sciboy: ia64 is Intel Itanium / Itanium2. it's been around since 1999 |
| 10:08.39 | ircdevil | jm_: good. so i am correct with my observations. |
| 10:08.55 | jm_ | ircdevil: should be solvable using ext2 labels or something similar |
| 10:08.57 | peterS | sciboy: ia64 and amd64 have nothing in common, except that they're both marketed as a 64-bit replacement for x86 |
| 10:09.03 | buu | Ok here's another question |
| 10:09.17 | ircdevil | jm_: i am just happy i didnt loose a disk or a file tree |
| 10:09.28 | peterS | sciboy: Intel's ia64 was largely a failure, but amd64 caught on so quickly that Intel found itself forced to make, effectively, AMD compatible chips |
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| 10:09.51 | jm_ | it's rather a shame AMD is doing so well with it the prices are not dropping that fast |
| 10:09.53 | buu | My box is "flakey", as in, I tend to get random mysterious crashes I can't reproduce. It's done this through several complete wipes and different oses, so I'm suspecting something is hardware related. Anyone know of any kind of testing software that would test every piece of hardware and let me know if anything is breaking? |
| 10:10.10 | peterS | sciboy: however, Intel calling their chips AMD-compatible was so embarrassing that they named their architecture EM64T and are trying their hardest to sound like they're *not* actually making AMD-compatible chips |
| 10:10.51 | peterS | sciboy: i.e., if you read Intel marketing literature, it *almost* sounds as though EM64T was actually Intel's idea all along (: |
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| 10:11.50 | scx | Do you think as good idea to build such a cd ??? |
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| 10:12.29 | loxley_ | anyone tried to clone a system drive in linux ? |
| 10:12.38 | scx | I mean,... I like the proyect,... and maybe in some futeure I'll learn a much more and build an interesting cd ;) |
| 10:12.45 | faber2 | loxley_: that should not be a problem |
| 10:13.01 | loxley_ | faber2: ok, i want to migrate my old system to a new bigger drive |
| 10:13.09 | peterS | loxley_: simple 'cp -ax' of live filesystems is generally fine, then you just have to adjust your boot loader's view of the world of disks (the 'discworld', as it were) |
| 10:13.21 | loxley_ | peterS: yup, that was the idea :) |
| 10:13.31 | scx | I mean: politically talking. |
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| 10:13.38 | loxley_ | peterS: just wanted to check, for problemo with it etc :) |
| 10:13.40 | peterS | loxley_: well, and install the boot loader *onto* the new drive. and, if necessary, adjust paths in /etc/fstab for filesystem mounting |
| 10:13.52 | loxley_ | peterS: yeah |
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| 10:13.59 | peterS | loxley_: but 'cp -ax / /new_disk' is the main part |
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| 10:14.40 | loxley_ | peterS: yeah, i was thinking of like first tar'ing it all then chroot into new drive with mounted partitions |
| 10:14.55 | peterS | loxley_: after that, you can 'chroot /new_disk /bin/bash' and then adjust /boot/grub/device.map and /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab and stuff, and run 'install-grub' etc. |
| 10:15.04 | loxley_ | loxley_: yes, okay |
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| 10:15.18 | peterS | loxley_: using tar for copying is obsolete, 'cp -ax' is just as good on systems that have GNU Coreutils installed, like Debian (: |
| 10:15.29 | loxley_ | peterS: aight :) |
| 10:15.39 | sep | peterS, going to try the mini.iso testing amd64... |
| 10:15.39 | sep | :) |
| 10:15.53 | peterS | sep: heh, have fun. I'm out for an hour or so, then I'll probably go to bed |
| 10:16.01 | sep | sleep tight :) |
| 10:16.06 | peterS | thanks |
| 10:16.14 | sep | first 64 bit i have even had my fingers into :) |
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| 10:17.52 | gunnar | Hi, I confess I need help with apt-get. |
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| 10:18.20 | gunnar | In want to reinstall a package with reinstalling the config dir in etc |
| 10:18.30 | gunnar | Can someone please help me? |
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| 10:19.39 | bibe | gunnar : cp -a /etc/<confdir> ~/<confdir>.backup; apt-get remove --purge <package>; apt-get install <package> |
| 10:19.49 | liable | gunnar: and you deleted the config yourself? and now it wont re-install it? |
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| 10:20.50 | bibe | peterS : can I also backup a dir containing symlinks via scp without using tar? |
| 10:21.04 | gunnar | Yes, if delete the config dir "/etc/apache2" - I tried --reinstall but the config dir does not reappear. Now purging and installing does not recreate the config files. ;( |
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| 10:21.55 | fireba11 | got a urgent problem ... seems a file got half-deleted .. df -h reports that disc is full, du -sh * shows only files for about 50% of disk size |
| 10:22.00 | fireba11 | how can i get this fixed |
| 10:22.36 | bibe | peterS : I always get clones of the symlinked dir (I have public_html/debian -> public_html/sarge, but in the target system I get two identical directories) |
| 10:22.54 | sciboy | How do i make /dev/usb/lp0 available to normal users? |
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| 10:24.16 | gunnar | liable: Any idea how to make debian create the folder during package install? |
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| 10:24.54 | Guerin | gunnar: which folder? |
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| 10:25.27 | fireba11 | soemone can help me please `? |
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| 10:26.16 | Guerin | fireba11: help yourself |
| 10:26.20 | sciboy | brb. |
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| 10:26.59 | Guerin | fireba11: did you delete the file? |
| 10:27.06 | fireba11 | Guerin ^^ ..how to get FS to report correct free disc space vaule ? |
| 10:27.07 | gunnar | guerin: "etc/apache2" |
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| 10:27.21 | fireba11 | Guerin i cancelled a sync job of a BIG file .. |
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| 10:27.42 | Guerin | gunnar: if the package you're installing doesn't create that dir, then it's horribly, unusably broken. |
| 10:27.43 | buu | Hello guerin! |
| 10:27.48 | Guerin | gunnar: and not in debian |
| 10:27.54 | Guerin | !hello gentlemen |
| 10:27.54 | dpkg | All your base are belong to us! |
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| 10:28.06 | Guerin | fireba11: why? |
| 10:28.10 | buu | Guerin: I don't suppose you have any idea how to fix an error like: File system has 6103459 clusters but only space for 6102014 FAT entries. |
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| 10:28.25 | Guerin | buu: don't use fat. |
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| 10:28.29 | Guerin | problem solved |
| 10:28.38 | buu | Guerin: How do I get the data off it so I can stop using fat? |
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| 10:28.50 | fireba11 | Guerin: because network was terribly slow and i had to do something urgent .. |
| 10:29.04 | snadge | are there any libc compatibility (older version) libraries i can install to use some legacy binary stuff? |
| 10:29.07 | Guerin | fireba11: does the file show in the filesystem? |
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| 10:29.24 | Guerin | snadge: what specific libs do you need? |
| 10:29.35 | Guerin | fireba11: as in: can you ls; it? |
| 10:29.37 | snadge | not sure.. i have a program that gives a weird error |
| 10:29.41 | fireba11 | nope |
| 10:29.50 | Guerin | snadge: /msg dpkg redhat crap |
| 10:30.10 | fireba11 | Guerin only thing i can do is fsck ? or is there something else ? |
| 10:30.10 | Guerin | fireba11: unmount the filesystem |
| 10:30.15 | fireba11 | its / ^^ |
| 10:30.16 | Guerin | fireba11: it should sync on unmount |
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| 10:30.29 | Guerin | if not, fsck |
| 10:30.35 | fireba11 | okay, thanks |
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| 10:30.38 | gunnar | Guerin: I use the regular apache2 debian (unstable) PPC package. apache2_2.0.55-3_powerpc.deb |
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| 10:30.52 | null1 | Hi, I have a web server connected indirectly to the Internet(ISP -> router -> server eth0), I've setup NAT port forward in the router so all web server connections are forwarded to server. Recently, I've added a new ethernet card(eth1) to the server, and it has a public ip(ISP -> server eth1), after ifup'ing eth1, I can't connect to my server from old IP(eth0) anymore, but from new ip is OK. If I ifdown eth1, eth0 work as before, so my question is: how ca |
| 10:30.52 | null1 | n I config the server so both connection (eth0 and eth1) can connect to my server? |
| 10:30.54 | Guerin | gunnar: then it creates the dir |
| 10:30.59 | Guerin | gunnar: what error do you get? |
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| 10:31.05 | liable | gunnar: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 10:31.27 | PitchForkLinux | anyone alive this morning |
| 10:31.34 | snadge | Guerin, i found a dynamic linked binary instead of a static one thats missing some other lib, so im installing it.. its a game called CandyCruncher |
| 10:31.38 | Guerin | PitchForkLinux: no. you're in #deadbian |
| 10:31.50 | Guerin | snadge: sucks to be you |
| 10:32.07 | PitchForkLinux | lol that's good Guerin.. |
| 10:32.07 | snadge | im collecting linux games at the moment |
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| 10:32.17 | gunnar | liable: Where do I enter this /msg dpgk confmiss? |
| 10:32.17 | Garda | PitchForkLinux: evening here. but yes i'm alive |
| 10:32.22 | gridline | Hi, is there a godo way to decompress a gzipped file thats not complete anymore? Or at leats stop gzip from deleteing it when it detect the error? |
| 10:32.28 | litage | i installed grub onto a sata drive, ran grub-install and update-grub, but booting from the drive just gives a flashing cursor in the top-left of the screen. how can i get grub to load? |
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| 10:32.47 | Guerin | gridline: i don't know of one. |
| 10:32.50 | snadge | im using debian as a platform for running mostly proprietry closed source games.. but also some free ones too, non discriminatory |
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| 10:32.59 | liable | gunnar: in your irc client |
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| 10:33.26 | PitchForkLinux | Guerin. Can you refernce me to a very good laymans document on home networking? I have some questions that need answered about network design philosophy not the technical aspects of setting up a small office network. |
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| 10:34.00 | liable | gunnar: dpkg is one of the channel bots, you can ask it shit. |
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| 10:34.10 | Guerin | PitchForkLinux: not really - the networking howtos and so on on tldp are technical more than anything |
| 10:34.12 | snadge | ./candycruncher.dynamic: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference :( |
| 10:34.21 | Guerin | PitchForkLinux: what sort of questionss do you have? |
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| 10:34.39 | Guerin | snadge: try those old libs in the redhat crap factoid |
| 10:34.43 | jm_ | litage: it doesn't even say GRUB? |
| 10:34.53 | jm_ | Guerin: those are for libstdc++ only |
| 10:34.56 | litage | jm_: nada. not a thing. just a flashing cursor |
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| 10:35.04 | Guerin | oh right |
| 10:35.07 | Guerin | and they're not .6 |
| 10:35.12 | jm_ | litage: do you see it loading the MBR from disk? |
| 10:35.15 | Guerin | where do I recall seeing .6 libc? |
| 10:35.15 | buu | Guerin: FAIIIIIIIlure. |
| 10:35.24 | gridline | Thansk anyway Guerin |
| 10:35.47 | jm_ | .so.6 is pretty standard on any Linux system |
| 10:36.39 | PitchForkLinux | well. how to put evrything that I have into a small sustainable network with a domain. right now it is just pieces. I have 4 pc's in a peer to peer that share files and share an internet connection through a router hooked to an isp, then I have a seperate company hosting a web site for me with a registered domain. I'd like to put everything under one domain etc... |
| 10:36.43 | hcy | in foomatic-gui I added a new printer. then i clicked on "test page". the status bar said test page sent to printer. but no testpage printed, and in the console it said "Unable to identify spooler, please specify one with "-s"!" Anyone know what that means and what I'm supposed to do about it? |
| 10:36.44 | litage | jm_: unfortunately with this new mobo, *no* POST information is ever displayed. i've searched through the bios for over an hour looking for some option, but there's none. when booting, it just gives a black screen, which after a couple of seconds gives a flashing cursor and nothing else |
| 10:36.45 | buu | jm_: I don't suppose you happen to have any idea as to my FAT problems? |
| 10:36.47 | gunnar | liable: thanks for the tip. Interesting reading - but somehow it still does not seem to work! |
| 10:37.09 | jm_ | buu: it doesn't mount? |
| 10:37.10 | buu | PitchForkLinux: Have the remote box do subdomains to the internal boxes |
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| 10:37.31 | buu | jm_: Right, it gives me the "bad fs type or superblock.." generic error. When I run fsck.vfat on it I get "File system has 6103459 clusters but only space for 6102014 FAT entries" |
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| 10:37.46 | jm_ | litage: no I mean as in HDD led blinking |
| 10:37.51 | jm_ | buu: maybe try mounting it in dos/windows? |
| 10:37.55 | buu | =/ |
| 10:38.02 | buu | I was hoping to avoid unplugging |
| 10:38.26 | jm_ | buu: vfat has two copies, perhaps one is still OK |
| 10:38.38 | jm_ | some sort of tool like Norton Disk Doctor is your best bet |
| 10:38.57 | buu | jm_: Er, any tool I can use for free under linux? |
| 10:39.07 | jm_ | buu: not that I know, I never used fsck.vfat |
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| 10:39.31 | buu | jm_: Hmph. |
| 10:39.38 | gunnar | As recommended i tried : apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 |
| 10:39.39 | PitchForkLinux | <buu> which do I consider the remote? The isp or the Web Host or the Domain Registrar... they are all three different |
| 10:39.46 | Guerin | PitchForkLinux: this sounds like the sort of thing to discuss on a mailing list |
| 10:39.48 | snadge | Guerin, that redhat crap factoid is about libstdc++ this just uses straight libc |
| 10:39.49 | gunnar | But the config dir is not recreated :( |
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| 10:39.58 | Guerin | snadge: already saw that, sorry. |
| 10:40.00 | buu | PitchForkLinux: Oh, I assumed you had an actual remote box doing dns for your domain |
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| 10:40.13 | Guerin | gridline: mkdir /etc/apache2 |
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| 10:40.16 | buu | PitchForkLinux: Figure out where your dns is and see if they do subdomains? |
| 10:40.18 | Guerin | gunnar: ^ |
| 10:40.20 | jm_ | gunnar: that's because you're reinstalling wrong package |
| 10:40.26 | Guerin | gunnar: why did you delete that dir anyway? |
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| 10:41.08 | PitchForkLinux | Ok . my dns is through my isp and they do not do subdomains |
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| 10:41.40 | gunnar | Guerin: I just installed apache2, tried to get apache_worker and php running but apache did not like this - I probably messed up the config - So I wanted to start from scratch. |
| 10:42.18 | gunnar | guerin: what do you mean - I installed wrong package? |
| 10:42.26 | Guerin | gunnar: NEVER delete shit which is installed by a package. it's there for a reason. |
| 10:42.46 | Guerin | gunnar: install apache2-mpm-worker or whatever the real package is |
| 10:42.53 | Guerin | gunnar: apache2 is a metapackage |
| 10:43.22 | PitchForkLinux | <buu> however, my web hosting provider <yahoo small business> allows me to create subdomain for my registered domain but I think that is only for additional web sites |
| 10:44.03 | litage | jm_: no HD LED, though i don't believe it ever blinked |
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| 10:44.24 | Gumby | does anyone here run mythtv and a pvrx50? |
| 10:44.38 | lestest | hi there ... how do I import a cvs server from a server to another? |
| 10:44.46 | litage | jm_: i can mount and r/w from/to the SATA HD when booting from the PATA HD that i installed linux onto the SATA from |
| 10:44.48 | lestest | I menat a cvs tree |
| 10:45.21 | faber2 | how can i stop grub from booting? ESC? or TAB? |
| 10:45.22 | jm_ | litage: wait a few mins till I finish this tangerine |
| 10:45.33 | jm_ | faber2: read the screen |
| 10:45.41 | faber2 | jm_: no time |
| 10:45.42 | lestest | faber2: ctrl-X? |
| 10:45.49 | PitchForkLinux | <guerin> would you consider helping me out through e-mail. I understand if you don't have time |
| 10:45.51 | lestest | faber2: eeyore- |
| 10:45.56 | lestest | faber2: e |
| 10:46.05 | jm_ | faber2: then keep slamming on the keyboard before it boots |
| 10:46.05 | litage | jm_: no problemo! anything for a tangerine! i know how tasty they are; i had a job picking them for a week a few months ago. we got to eat as many of them as we wanted. mmm mmm good |
| 10:46.32 | saloxin | any gotchas for running a 2.6.14 kernel on sarge? |
| 10:46.50 | faber2 | jm_: i am on a *fucking* remote console |
| 10:47.07 | jm_ | faber2: it works for that too - any key interrupts boot process |
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| 10:47.45 | lestest | faber2: e |
| 10:47.50 | lestest | faber2: press e |
| 10:48.02 | lestest | and when you are done press b |
| 10:48.35 | Guerin | PitchForkLinux: i'm no expert on network design, so I'll defer to those who are. |
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| 10:49.32 | gridline | Guerin, unzip to stdout, and then gzip can't erate the patial result. :) Of course now I'm stick with a damaged tar file |
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| 10:49.44 | PitchForkLinux | ok thanks guerin |
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| 10:51.25 | jm_ | litage: so you installed GRUB with both types of disks connected? |
| 10:51.35 | faber2 | lestest: whould <ctrl> stop it? |
| 10:51.40 | Guerin | gridline: heh |
| 10:51.51 | litage | jm_: yes |
| 10:52.09 | jm_ | litage: ok, I would rinstall it with just SATA disks connected first |
| 10:52.09 | saloxin | hm, bacporting yaird and patchutils seems to do it |
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| 10:52.26 | litage | jm_: this is the first sata disk i've had |
| 10:52.54 | litage | jm_: i then edited /boot/grub/device.map so that only this entry existed: hd(0,0) /dev/sda1 |
| 10:53.00 | jm_ | litage: it's not any different |
| 10:53.05 | jm_ | litage: no need to mess with that |
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| 10:53.44 | lestest | faber2: never tryed ... |
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| 10:56.41 | Ryugi | hello |
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| 10:57.12 | Ryugi | has anyone here ever downloaded the 2 4GB DVD images for Debian |
| 10:57.41 | hcy | i just compiled a kernel and lilo's complaining that it's too big. what do i do? I tried stripping it but it's still too big (4.9M) |
| 10:57.59 | litage | jm_: i made /dev/sda1 bootable, and it gets mounted as /boot/ |
| 10:58.06 | fooz | hcy, what file did you grab from the kernel source tree? |
| 10:58.13 | StarKruzr | how do I find a piece of sourcecode by the name of the module? |
| 10:58.13 | hcy | vmlinux |
| 10:58.17 | StarKruzr | like from lsmod? |
| 10:58.18 | hcy | fooz: & |
| 10:58.18 | fooz | hcy, don't use that on i386 |
| 10:58.27 | hcy | fooz: oh, what did i want then? bzImage? |
| 10:58.32 | paulliu | Ryugi: I can download it by bittorrent... |
| 10:58.33 | jm_ | litage: just reinstall GRUB |
| 10:58.37 | fooz | hcy, use the self-decompressing zImage (arch/i386/boot/bzImage) |
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| 10:58.55 | gridline | yes bzImage and maybe use an initrd image? |
| 10:59.04 | snadge | im resorting to downloading a bzipped package full of dynamic libs, and prepending that path as a solution to running older binary games on newer distribution.. yuck |
| 10:59.22 | hcy | fooz: ok thanks |
| 10:59.41 | StarKruzr | (any clues on that one?) |
| 11:00.09 | litage | jm_: "reinstall grub" as in "boot into linux on the pata, mount the sata, chroot to the sata, reinstall grub"? |
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| 11:01.24 | jm_ | litage: no, boot with rescue-something with only sata disks connected |
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| 11:02.11 | litage | jm_: k, i'll boot into a live ubuntu cd i have, as it's able to detect the sata drive. i should then chroot to the sata drive and reinstall grub? |
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| 11:03.13 | liable | aaaaarrr |
| 11:03.23 | liable | !moo |
| 11:03.23 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 11:03.27 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 11:03.50 | jm_ | litage: yup, or just put GRUB on CD and boot your existing kernel |
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| 11:04.57 | jm_ | make sure to call grub-install --recheck --root=/boot hd0 |
| 11:05.06 | dli | jm_: I have grub on hdd, can I use grub to do netboot? |
| 11:05.33 | jm_ | dli: yes |
| 11:06.51 | dli | jm_: how come? there's no nic driver loaded yet |
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| 11:08.14 | faber2 | after installing a linux-kernel, grub boots it and i get the error /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console, Kernel Panic. What is wrong? |
| 11:08.16 | jm_ | dli: not sure if Debian has support for it enabled |
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| 11:08.56 | dli | jm_: anything to do with debian? in grub, debian hasn't booted yet |
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| 11:09.30 | jm_ | dli: yes, Debian matters because you have to build GRUB properly |
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| 11:09.40 | dli | jm_: see |
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| 11:10.00 | BeFalou | I've modified debian/rules and now dependencied have changed, is there a way to auto-regenerate debian/control? |
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| 11:10.08 | jm_ | it needs to have NIC drivers for your NIC-s enabled |
| 11:10.29 | cacevedo0202 | lley |
| 11:10.30 | dli | jm_: through "device" ? |
| 11:10.32 | cacevedo0202 | eeeee |
| 11:10.33 | cacevedo0202 | eee |
| 11:10.34 | cacevedo0202 | e |
| 11:10.34 | cacevedo0202 | ee |
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| 11:10.37 | resiak | faber2: Did you build your own kernel? |
| 11:10.43 | faber2 | resiak: no |
| 11:10.49 | faber2 | resiak: standard debian kernel |
| 11:10.57 | djp | by default (in relation to a desktop install), what log files are kept under debian 3.1? |
| 11:10.59 | resiak | faber2: Which standard Debian kernel, OOI? |
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| 11:11.34 | jm_ | dli: not sure what you mean, but you enable it via configure -- ./configure --enable-eepro100 etc. |
| 11:11.50 | faber2 | kernel 2.6.12-686-smp |
| 11:12.24 | dli | jm_: I c, not available in the standard debian package |
| 11:12.29 | liable | check the bts for it then |
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| 11:12.39 | jm_ | dli: yes that's what I said I am not sure how it is built |
| 11:12.50 | jm_ | what I meant when I said even |
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| 11:13.02 | hcy | please, i'm having serious trouble setting up a printer in 'cups' . I keep getting errors like 'client-error-not-possible' (if I try to add it in foomatic-gui), or if I try to install it using the webinterface there are no devices listed in the drop-down 'device' list |
| 11:13.09 | fireba11 | what do i need to do to make a "make cloneconfig" work ? |
| 11:13.59 | hcy | someone here suggested it was because i was using an old kernel (2.6.3) so I made my own 2.6.12 kernel now but get the same results |
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| 11:14.18 | Nirga1 | I what file can a user set a var ( PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" ) so that it is set both in the console shell (now in .bash_profile) and in the xwindow environment (doesn't work anymore since I installed gdm instead of using startx) ? |
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| 11:14.30 | fireba11 | i installed build-essential, kernel-source-2.6.8, kernel-package .. but make cloneconfig quits with error 2 after 3 lines |
| 11:14.34 | jm_ | hcy: do you see anything in /usr/lib/cups/backend? how about /usr/lib/cups/backend-available? |
| 11:15.00 | jm_ | Firestarter2: cloneconfig? |
| 11:15.04 | jm_ | fireba11 ^^^^^^ |
| 11:15.15 | fireba11 | make cloneconfig |
| 11:15.19 | jm_ | Nirga1: PAM environment module |
| 11:15.28 | liable | oldconfig? |
| 11:15.36 | jm_ | my kernel has no cloneconfig target |
| 11:15.38 | hcy | jm_: nothing in backend, but yes there's stuff in available |
| 11:15.49 | fireba11 | jm_ i need to do a "make cloneconfig; make prepare" in order to build VMware tools for my kernel |
| 11:15.53 | jm_ | hcy: that's why it doesn't present you with options in drop-down menu |
| 11:16.05 | jm_ | fireba11: ok must be some vmware specific crap |
| 11:16.06 | hcy | jm_: ok so what do i do about it? |
| 11:16.20 | jm_ | hcy: I would purge everything and reinstall it |
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| 11:16.22 | fireba11 | jm_: make cloneconfig only duplicates current setup |
| 11:16.34 | jm_ | fireba11: it's not part of vanilla kernel |
| 11:16.43 | hcy | jm_: apt-get --purge remove cupsys ? |
| 11:16.43 | jm_ | unless they added it to 2.6.14 |
| 11:16.57 | fireba11 | the command is working though .. it just quits before done |
| 11:17.12 | jm_ | hcy: probably yes |
| 11:17.25 | jm_ | so knowing the error message might help |
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| 11:18.27 | fireba11 | no rule to build cloneconfig . is my translation back to english is okay ^^ |
| 11:18.42 | jm_ | right, no such target in your kernel ;) |
| 11:18.56 | fireba11 | jm_ okay then .. how do i get everything set up ? |
| 11:19.07 | jm_ | fireba11: to do what? |
| 11:19.29 | fireba11 | jm_ in effect i need to do everything needed to be able to build a kernel imediately .. VMware needs thsoe files to be able to build a kernel-module |
| 11:19.52 | jm_ | fireba11: ehh? you mean it's not enough to have kernel-headers package installed? |
| 11:19.59 | fireba11 | and i didn't find any docu on it |
| 11:20.05 | fireba11 | jm_: seems so |
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| 11:20.28 | jm_ | fireba11: how do you know? did you install the right headers-package (this only applies if you're using Debian's kernels) |
| 11:20.31 | fireba11 | jm_: could be because VMware doesn't really know debian ^^ |
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| 11:20.58 | fireba11 | jm_: am using out-of-the-box kernel .. |
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| 11:21.08 | jm_ | fireba11: which kernel-headers package did you install? |
| 11:21.27 | fireba11 | jm_: our VMs are running on suse with redhat as guest as of now .. and i wanted to switch to debian *sigh* |
| 11:21.54 | jm_ | we run them on Windows and on ESX, which is some weirdo version of RH 7.2 |
| 11:22.05 | fireba11 | jm_: just "kernel-headers" ... |
| 11:22.10 | sep | fireball last time i installed debian in a vmware i didnt need to bother with the config of the source |
| 11:22.11 | fireba11 | jm_: i hate redhat ^^ |
| 11:22.24 | jm_ | fireba11: that's a meta-package, try installing kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 11:22.27 | fireba11 | sep: did you try to install VMware tools ? |
| 11:22.33 | sep | ofcouse |
| 11:22.40 | fireba11 | sep: and how ? |
| 11:22.57 | fireba11 | and what VMware version ? |
| 11:23.00 | sep | dl the latest vmware-tools from the web and used the installer |
| 11:23.04 | hcy | jm_: ok reinstalled cups, can you tell me what I should have in the config file in /etc/cups since that was purged |
| 11:23.11 | jm_ | actually that's wrong, arch is missing somewhere |
| 11:23.24 | sep | i had the source in place and it compiled ok |
| 11:23.26 | jm_ | hcy: /etc/cups? no such file |
| 11:23.46 | hcy | /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 11:24.00 | fireba11 | sep#: we got a licence for VMware workstation 5 .. so i think i need to use that one :-/ |
| 11:24.00 | jm_ | web-frontend will edit it for you |
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| 11:24.19 | hcy | jm_: that directed at me? |
| 11:24.23 | jm_ | hcy: yup |
| 11:24.26 | sep | fireba11, you can download more recent version from vmware's site i belive |
| 11:24.28 | hcy | hmm ok |
| 11:24.33 | fireba11 | sep: will have a look |
| 11:24.50 | sep | but that' was a while ago if you have a recent vmware it's probably included |
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| 11:25.38 | sep | fireba11, all i did was install the correct kernel-headers |
| 11:25.59 | jm_ | yeah that should do, and he should do the same |
| 11:26.03 | sep | symlinked /usr/src/linux to the kernel headers-2.4.27-2-686 and did the installer |
| 11:26.17 | sep | perhaps the kernel-headers do that for you dont remember |
| 11:26.45 | faber2 | my newly installed kernel still does not boot. it says "FATAL: Module megaraid2 not found". then /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file, Kernel panic, ANY ideas? |
| 11:26.46 | fireba11 | sep: hmmmm |
| 11:26.56 | hcy | jm_: it didn't help. still nothing in backend |
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| 11:27.12 | coollinux | i want to know sth about power managemnent |
| 11:27.12 | sep | fireba11, then i packaged the installed binaries and use that on all my debian guests :) |
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| 11:27.20 | fireba11 | hehe |
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| 11:27.25 | sciboy | Well, i must be doing something wrong. |
| 11:27.48 | sep | fireba11, it probably broke all of debian's policies ... but it workes |
| 11:27.57 | sciboy | Anyone here have experience with setting up a USB Printer under CUPS? (I am using Gutenprint[GIMP-Print] drivers) |
| 11:28.07 | sep | lunch.. ahh :) |
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| 11:28.09 | jm_ | hcy: but they are in available? |
| 11:28.15 | peterS | bibe: so I was away for the past hour, getting some bike exercise - over 29 km in 58 minutes |
| 11:28.16 | hcy | jm_: yes |
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| 11:28.34 | peterS | bibe: in answer to your earlier question, it seems scp does not have the ability to copy symlinks as symlinks |
| 11:28.37 | deadcat | can i make sshd listen to 2 ports at the same time? |
| 11:28.40 | fireba11 | sep: must have gone wrong somewhere then .. |
| 11:28.42 | hcy | jm_: http ipp lpd parallel scsi serial socket usb |
| 11:28.52 | petemc | deadcat: put the in sshd_config |
| 11:28.54 | peterS | deadcat: yes, 'man sshd_config', look for the Port option |
| 11:28.55 | petemc | them |
| 11:28.58 | jm_ | hcy: does it ask you about it when you install it? |
| 11:29.01 | petemc | hey peterS |
| 11:29.05 | deadcat | petemc: thanks |
| 11:29.06 | peterS | deadcat: you can specify more than one Port line |
| 11:29.08 | peterS | hey petemc |
| 11:29.15 | hcy | jm_: doesn't ask anything |
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| 11:29.17 | fireba11 | sep: problem is we need it to recreate customers setup .. so i need some specific software versions on it and got no clue if i can get that working on debian anyway |
| 11:29.26 | bibe | hi all. I have fetchmail running as daemon, fetching mail every 10 minutes. How can I force it to check mail at this very moment, without waiting the next daemon run? |
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| 11:29.32 | bibe | peterS : thanks |
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| 11:30.19 | jm_ | hcy: what do you have set in debconf for it? |
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| 11:31.02 | hcy | jm_: i;m not sure, never use debconf, can you tell me what to do to check? |
| 11:31.11 | jm_ | hcy: dpkg-reconfigure cupsys |
| 11:31.13 | deadcat | peterS: nice. |
| 11:32.05 | Phated | peterS: How was the play? |
| 11:32.05 | hcy | jm_: weird, "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: cupsys is broken or not fully installed". apt-get claimed it was finished, though |
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| 11:32.25 | jm_ | hcy: something's broken then |
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| 11:32.38 | peterS | Phated: it went very well, thanks |
| 11:32.40 | fireba11 | sep: u used toe rpm ? |
| 11:32.52 | Phated | peterS: Wonderful. :) |
| 11:32.52 | hcy | jm_: apt-get: "cupsys is already the newest version" |
| 11:32.58 | peterS | Phated: if the next 3 performances go just as well, I'll be happy (: |
| 11:33.00 | jm_ | hcy: sure, but what state is it in? |
| 11:33.12 | Phated | peterS: Wonderful... you don't have 3 more legs, tho. :) |
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| 11:33.21 | peterS | hehehe |
| 11:33.28 | jeanjacques | hello |
| 11:33.35 | hcy | jm_: do you mean the two characters at the beginning of dpkg -l ? iU |
| 11:33.46 | peterS | Phated: three of my friends actually came to see it! people never come to see me in stuff. so that made me happy. |
| 11:33.53 | jm_ | hcy: right, unconfigured, try dpkg --pending --configure |
| 11:33.57 | Phated | peterS: I would have come. :) |
| 11:34.00 | jeanjacques | is it enough to run apt-get install libapache-mod-fastcgi on my debian server to run rails using fast cgi ? |
| 11:34.46 | peterS | Phated: they said they really enjoyed it, too, even though it ran well over 3 hours. one girl brought a textbook to study and she said she only read 2 pages because the show was so interesting |
| 11:35.02 | Phated | peterS: Wonderful! |
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| 11:35.23 | litage | the update-grub manpage says "After update-grub has been run for the first time, the user is required to edit the generated menu.lst. The user must set the two options update-grub uses." |
| 11:35.28 | litage | which two options need to be set? |
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| 11:35.58 | jm_ | litage: they're commented out, easy to spot |
| 11:37.35 | peterS | Phated: also, tonight I did my stage makeup all by myself. I got a bit of *advice* from a theater guy who knows what he's doing, but *I* did the work. so now I'm getting a little more confident about that business (: |
| 11:37.52 | hcy | jm_: thanks for pointing this out, this may explain a lot |
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| 11:37.54 | peterS | I'm still just as happy not to wear makeup in everyday life, though |
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| 11:38.04 | Phated | peterS: Hurray, now you know more about putting makeup on than I! :D |
| 11:38.08 | peterS | I think I'd make a pretty poor drag queen |
| 11:38.08 | litage | jm_: there are several settings (eg: kopt, groot, alternative) that are commented out. no two in particular stand out |
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| 11:38.16 | peterS | heh |
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| 11:38.28 | Phated | :) |
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| 11:38.43 | djp | are log files kept of files created, changed, moved, deleted etc? |
| 11:38.59 | litage | djp: not by default. not even sure if you can enable that at all |
| 11:39.09 | jm_ | litage: kopt and groot as per man page |
| 11:39.19 | AciD | isn't possible on a journaled fs ? |
| 11:39.25 | deadcat | can i use # command at the end of each line in /etc/hosts? |
| 11:39.26 | djp | litage, ok thanks |
| 11:39.31 | peterS | djp: like an audit trail of your whole filesystem? I don't think linux has the facility to do that |
| 11:39.34 | litage | jm_: kopt and groot are commented out on my workstation and it boots |
| 11:39.39 | litage | djp: np |
| 11:39.42 | deadcat | like 2.2.2.2 hostname # this is a desktop |
| 11:39.45 | jm_ | litage: yes, they have to stay commented out ;) |
| 11:39.49 | peterS | djp: well, it could be managed via selinux or something, but you'd have to do a lot of setting up |
| 11:39.51 | jm_ | deadcat: man 5 hosts |
| 11:39.58 | AciD | deadcat > yes you can |
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| 11:40.39 | deadcat | ya |
| 11:40.41 | deadcat | thanks |
| 11:40.41 | djp | peterS, cheers |
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| 11:41.26 | j4v4m4n | how to setup default display manager ? |
| 11:41.33 | peterS | j4v4m4n: dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 11:41.42 | j4v4m4n | I have installed entrance |
| 11:41.57 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: ls /etc/X11/*def*disp* |
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| 11:42.24 | j4v4m4n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:42.41 | jm_ | ahh not packaged, serves you right, anyway that was a hint |
| 11:42.42 | j4v4m4n | I added it to /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 11:42.58 | j4v4m4n | but not X started |
| 11:43.06 | litage | jm_: the kopt line is "#kopt=root=/dev/sda5" the groot line is "#groot=(hd0,0)" the kernel line is "kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14-1-686-smp root=/dev/sda5" |
| 11:43.10 | j4v4m4n | it says gdm not started xdm not started |
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| 11:43.18 | jm_ | litage: sounds fine then no? |
| 11:43.26 | litage | jm_: sda5 doesn't seem right to me though. /boot is on sda1 |
| 11:43.43 | jm_ | litage: sda5 should be wherever / is |
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| 11:44.08 | j4v4m4n | peterS: will it work for compiled package (entrance) |
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| 11:44.31 | litage | jm_: ah |
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| 11:44.37 | peterS | j4v4m4n: it works for anything that follows Pax Displayicus Managerius |
| 11:44.53 | peterS | j4v4m4n: however, P.D.M. is Debian-specific, so your display manager probably doesn't follow it |
| 11:44.56 | litage | jm_: i've tried booting with this exact menu.lst though, and the blank screen + cursor is all that occurred |
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| 11:45.10 | jm_ | litage: right, so that's why we want to reinstall it |
| 11:45.39 | litage | jm_: okay...well, i've reinstalled grub from ubuntu live *without* the pata attached |
| 11:45.49 | jm_ | litage: and it's the same? |
| 11:45.55 | litage | jm_: as far as i can tell, yes |
| 11:46.06 | jm_ | litage: did you use --recheck and --root as I said? |
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| 11:46.45 | j4v4m4n | peterS: but is has only gdm and xdm in the list how will I add entrance (/usr/local/entrance) to the list ? |
| 11:47.05 | litage | jm_: yes. first i ran ``grub-install --root-directory=/mnt --no-floppy /dev/sda1'' to install grub onto the sata drive |
| 11:47.14 | peterS | j4v4m4n: you'll have to figure that out on your own. I only use display managers that are configured for Pax Displayicus Managerius, so life is easier for me |
| 11:47.19 | jm_ | litage: that's not what I said |
| 11:47.22 | litage | jm_: then i ran ``grub-install --root-directory=/mnt --no-floppy --recheck /dev/sda1'' |
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| 11:47.57 | jm_ | litage: that's why it doesn't work |
| 11:48.02 | linch | hello people |
| 11:48.16 | j4v4m4n | peterS: there wil be some files, right ? let me check /etc/X11 |
| 11:48.26 | litage | jm_: why is that? i don't recall a msg of yours mentioning --root and --recheck |
| 11:48.45 | linch | I have a really big problem. Today, I can't start my debian sid. And I don't find why |
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| 11:49.03 | jm_ | litage: 2005-11-11 12:04:57 > make sure to call grub-install --recheck --root=/boot hd0 |
| 11:49.03 | litage | linch: "can't start" isn't an error. we need more than that to help you |
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| 11:49.36 | litage | jm_: sorry, must've missed that msg of yours while i was afk |
| 11:49.46 | linch | debian tells me, at start, that "grep: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.3 |
| 11:49.52 | litage | jm_: i'll run that from within the chroot. sec |
| 11:49.52 | jm_ | litage: so chroot, mount /boot in chroot, run the above |
| 11:49.52 | peterS | linch: known problem |
| 11:50.00 | linch | I don't know if it's the cause |
| 11:50.02 | peterS | linch: upgrade to grep 2.5.1.ds2-4 when it comes out |
| 11:50.03 | jm_ | sid++ |
| 11:50.12 | litage | jm_: the sata's /boot has to be mounted outside of the chroot |
| 11:50.17 | peterS | linch: which should be Real Soon Now |
| 11:50.20 | linch | peterS : good things :) |
| 11:50.27 | jm_ | litage: no, in chroot |
| 11:50.44 | linch | happy to hear it's a known problem |
| 11:50.48 | peterS | linch: meanwhile if you want to downgrade to grep 2.5.1.ds2-2, that'll fix it too. it might still be in your /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 11:50.49 | litage | jm_: k, i'll try it |
| 11:50.57 | linch | can you tell me where I can see the discussion ? |
| 11:51.06 | peterS | linch: http://bugs.debian.org/grep |
| 11:51.16 | linch | hmmm, of course |
| 11:51.19 | linch | thanks ;) |
| 11:51.23 | faber2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.39 | jm_ | boot loaders sets it up for the kernel |
| 11:51.51 | jm_ | then kernel says something like Found .... |
| 11:51.53 | peterS | linch: so for example http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338401 |
| 11:52.08 | liable | and it says, initial ramdisk loaded... during boot. |
| 11:52.32 | jm_ | that should be from boot loader |
| 11:52.41 | jm_ | sounds like GRUB |
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| 11:53.20 | j4v4m4n | hey does anyone know where is the list of display managers ? |
| 11:53.25 | faber2 | ok, i think it reads the initrd fine |
| 11:53.35 | sep | !dm |
| 11:53.35 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 11:53.36 | faber2 | but than it cannot find my sata raid? |
| 11:53.42 | nlight | hi all |
| 11:53.43 | Kerr | I'm having some trouble :-/ neither kcontrol or icepref will use a background i set; i just get black. What gives? (i use icewm and kdm) |
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| 11:54.41 | liable | faber2: thats not to do with the initrd, as much as the kernel..(version/support) |
| 11:55.00 | j4v4m4n | sep: but I have entrance (enlightenment display manager) I added to /etc/X11/default-display-manager too |
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| 11:55.42 | faber2 | liable: well after upgrading to debian kernel 2.6.12, i get "pivot_root" no such file or directory, right after FATAL: megaraid2 not found. i assume it has something to do with the raid |
| 11:55.43 | liable | update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
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| 11:56.24 | litage | jm_: okay, that cmd succeeded |
| 11:56.35 | litage | jm_: ``update-grub'' next/ |
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| 11:56.48 | liable | faber2: no idea. |
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| 11:56.59 | jm_ | litage: well you only need to run that if you don't have the right menu.lst file already |
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| 11:57.23 | litage | ah |
| 11:57.28 | hcy | jm_: wow, it actually prints now!!! I was thinking it would never work! thanks SO much!!! |
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| 11:57.34 | jm_ | hcy: no worries |
| 11:57.38 | GuiX | Salut tout le monde! |
| 11:57.39 | litage | jm_: so try to boot from the sata and cross my fingers? |
| 11:57.48 | GuiX | english chan? |
| 11:57.55 | liable | yes |
| 11:57.56 | jm_ | litage: right |
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| 11:58.00 | GuiX | arf |
| 11:58.03 | GuiX | me french :p |
| 11:58.10 | litage | moi aussi |
| 11:58.13 | liable | !fr |
| 11:58.13 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:58.15 | GuiX | haha |
| 11:58.16 | litage | un peut |
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| 11:58.28 | GuiX | c'est quoi debian? |
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| 12:01.05 | litage | GuiX: hahah, une blague |
| 12:01.40 | GuiX | ??? |
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| 12:02.31 | litage | GuiX: oh. vous etes serieux :) |
| 12:02.43 | GuiX | hein? |
| 12:02.45 | litage | GuiX: debain est la premiere logiciel d'exploitation (operating system) |
| 12:02.53 | litage | s/debain/debian/ |
| 12:02.54 | GuiX | abon |
| 12:02.59 | GuiX | moi j'tourne sur xp |
| 12:03.02 | Phated | Take it to #debian-fr, folks. |
| 12:03.25 | litage | guix: (ma francais est terrible. excuse) |
| 12:03.43 | GuiX | speak english... |
| 12:03.51 | litage | jm_: i just did an ls of the sata's /boot/grub/ and noticed that menu.lst has a timestamp of 20 minutes ago |
| 12:03.51 | jm_ | !+pebbas |
| 12:03.52 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Britain And Spain |
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| 12:04.04 | jm_ | litage: just cat it |
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| 12:04.27 | litage | jm_: my point is that i don't think ``grub-install'' did anything, considering i ran it 5 minutes ago |
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| 12:04.39 | litage | !pebkac |
| 12:04.40 | dpkg | pebkac is, like, Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
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| 12:05.14 | jm_ | litage: grub-install doesn't touch menu.lst |
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| 12:05.51 | litage | jm_: ah. so grub-install setup the stage-* files and whatnot? |
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| 12:06.15 | sanoj | saloxin: I have a sarge x86 yaird backport already at debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool-sarge/sid/yaird/ (I maintain yaird for Debian officially :-) ) |
| 12:06.16 | yang_ | I want to enable php for mysql...but ii php4-mysql 4.3.10-16 MySQL module for php4 doesnt work well |
| 12:06.50 | litage | yang_: what does "doesn't work well" mean? |
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| 12:07.24 | jm_ | litage: it install's GRUB to whatever device you specify |
| 12:07.33 | yang_ | litage: I get error - Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/cacti/site/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 338 |
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| 12:07.49 | jm_ | make sure it's enabled (php.ini?) also try restarting apache |
| 12:07.59 | kaouete | is there a special way to add a patch with a reply to a bugreport ? |
| 12:08.00 | j4v4m4n | where in the init sequence do xdm start ? |
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| 12:08.21 | zimnyx | i need to compile missing kernel module for my tv card (cx88). I wanna use that module with debian kernel.How do i do that? |
| 12:08.21 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: ls /etc/rc2.d |
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| 12:08.35 | jm_ | zimnyx: where is it missing from? |
| 12:08.51 | litage | jm_: grub-install is supposed to be installed on the bootable partition, right? |
| 12:08.56 | zimnyx | jm_: 2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 12:09.01 | jm_ | litage: on MBR in your case |
| 12:09.13 | jm_ | zimnyx: as in 2.6.12 does not have it? |
| 12:09.19 | litage | jm_: and my MBR would be the first primary partition? |
| 12:09.26 | jm_ | litage: no, it's MBR |
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| 12:09.33 | klausi1 | i want to run a web and mailserver on my pc is it recommended to have an extra pastition for them? |
| 12:09.34 | litage | ah |
| 12:09.37 | jm_ | litage: hd0 or /dev/sda means install on MBR |
| 12:09.56 | zimnyx | jm_: it doesn;t have it ;( |
| 12:10.05 | litage | jm_: when i ran grub-install, i specified /dev/sda1 , not /dev/sda |
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| 12:10.12 | jm_ | zimnyx: is it available separately or does newer version have it? |
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| 12:10.25 | jm_ | litage: I know, I told you that's wrong and gave you the right command |
| 12:10.31 | litage | klausi1: you don't need a separate partition for them. depending on what you're going to do with them, it might be advisable |
| 12:10.43 | zimnyx | jm_: it's inside official kernel. |
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| 12:11.22 | zimnyx | jm_: can be choose in make menuconfig |
| 12:11.29 | litage | jm_: ah i see now. so what happened to the grub that i told grub-installer to put onto /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 12:12.32 | jm_ | zimnyx: maybe it's non-free |
| 12:12.36 | jm_ | litage: to that partition |
| 12:12.39 | liable | installed to /boot. |
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| 12:12.44 | j4v4m4n | jm_: it there !! S99entrance but where is the script that call it ? |
| 12:12.51 | saloxin | sanoj: simple sid backport worked like a dream :-) |
| 12:12.53 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: what do you mean? |
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| 12:12.59 | litage | jm_: how can i remove the grub that was installed to /dev/sda1 ? |
| 12:13.12 | jm_ | litage: no need to remove it, just reinstall it on MBR and you're all set |
| 12:13.36 | litage | ah |
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| 12:13.49 | zimnyx | jm_: i got non free in sources-list. |
| 12:13.59 | sanoj | saloxin: Indeed. I just could read from your nick if the whole concept of "backport" is simple to you :-) |
| 12:14.02 | zimnyx | jm_: it's not shipped in debian kernel ;( |
| 12:14.11 | jm_ | zimnyx: no, I mean maybe it's non-free or it depends on non-free stuff so it has been removed from Debian, wouldn't be the first time either |
| 12:14.15 | saloxin | :- |
| 12:14.20 | saloxin | :-) |
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| 12:15.26 | zimnyx | jm_: maybe. So is it a debian way to compile mdule for that debian kernel? |
| 12:16.08 | jm_ | zimnyx: get kernel sources, configure it, build it. You can find kernel config in /boot, and then there's make-kpkg, or you can do it the old way |
| 12:16.14 | yang_ | now i get 30x error Warning: mysql_connect(): Lost connection to MySQL server during query in /usr/share/cacti/site/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 339 |
| 12:17.11 | zimnyx | jm_: thanks. i'll prefer old way |
| 12:17.46 | jm_ | zimnyx: maybe some README file or changelog will mention it, worth checking |
| 12:18.38 | litage | jm_: great, the sata booted grub, though it sent me to the grub prompt rather than giving a listing of the installed kernel |
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| 12:19.05 | jm_ | litage: that means it didn't read menu.lst file |
| 12:19.07 | Raptoid | hi bodyz.. |
| 12:19.33 | zimnyx | jm_: what is the difference between kernel-sources-* and linux-sources-* ? |
| 12:19.42 | litage | jm_: didn't, or failed, to read menu.lst? |
| 12:19.53 | jm_ | zimnyx: old vs. new package name |
| 12:20.04 | jm_ | litage: hard to say - maybe it's just looking in the wrong place |
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| 12:20.32 | litage | jm_: going to give it a kernel and initrd manually and see if it boots |
| 12:20.50 | liable | tell it, root (hdx,x) |
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| 12:21.00 | jm_ | litage: don't forget root= kernel parameter |
| 12:21.31 | j4v4m4n | jm_: thanks :-) I figured it out It was already in /etc/rc2.d/ the problem was error in loading the library, I added export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib and it worked :-) |
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| 12:21.53 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: ahh yeah I also noticed that's not in ld.so.conf by default anymore, you can add it by hand |
| 12:22.03 | trasz | where can i find debian source packages? |
| 12:22.03 | j4v4m4n | jm_: enlightenment rocks !!! It is so beautiful worth the trouble |
| 12:22.06 | jm_ | maybe it never was, - don't remember it clearly |
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| 12:22.15 | litage | jm_: hrmm, this is troubling..typing "kernel=/boot/" and hitting tab auto-completes to "/boot/grub/" which means there're no images in /boot/ |
| 12:22.15 | jm_ | trasz: on Debian mirrors |
| 12:22.29 | trasz | jm_: ok, but which directory they are in? |
| 12:22.32 | jm_ | litage: wait, do you ahve /boot/grub symlink pointing to .? |
| 12:22.36 | jm_ | trasz: pool |
| 12:22.42 | litage | jm_: no |
| 12:22.50 | jm_ | litage: add it |
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| 12:23.14 | j4v4m4n | peterS: Thanks !! I found out the mistake :-) |
| 12:23.17 | litage | jm_: where is "."? |
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| 12:23.49 | jm_ | litage: 'cd /boot && ln -s boot .' or somesuch |
| 12:23.50 | jeanjacques | is there someone who has an experience on datacenter using debian ? |
| 12:24.05 | trasz | jm_: ok, i'm in ftp.debian.org:/debian/pool/main/g/ginac. binaries are there, but where are the sources? |
| 12:24.08 | phiPPs | has anyone noticed 2.6.14 having very high latency/bad performance I've set CONFIG_HZ=1000 and CONFIG_PREEMPT, but it's still ridiculously slow compared to 2.6.12 |
| 12:24.24 | jm_ | trasz: same dir |
| 12:24.26 | liable | nite |
| 12:24.52 | jm_ | litage: that was wrong command ;) |
| 12:24.56 | jm_ | litage: reverse the args |
| 12:25.21 | litage | jm_: why do i want to create the symlink /boot/boot -> /boot/. ? |
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| 12:25.36 | scx | good bye rebels |
| 12:25.48 | jm_ | litage: because GRUB looks for the config file in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 12:26.17 | jm_ | so if you have a separate /boot partition, then grub dir is in / instead of /boot |
| 12:26.21 | litage | jm_: this symlink doesn't exist on my workstation |
| 12:26.26 | trasz | jm_: in debian there can be several binary packages from one source one, right? |
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| 12:26.41 | jm_ | litage: yeah neither does it on mine - it's all in how you install it |
| 12:26.47 | jm_ | trasz: indeed |
| 12:26.54 | llama32 | Jahesus! |
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| 12:27.14 | trasz | jm_: ah, now i understand. |
| 12:27.16 | trasz | jm_: thanks. |
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| 12:27.57 | litage | jm_: i think something else is wrong, because the grub prompt seems to "chrooted" in / rather than /boot/ |
| 12:28.05 | jm_ | litage: no, see above |
| 12:28.26 | litage | jm_: the symlink doesn't exist yet, but if i type "/boo" and hit tab, it completes to "/boot/" |
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| 12:28.53 | jm_ | litage: and which root () command did you use? |
| 12:29.05 | litage | jm_: haven't used one yet |
| 12:29.18 | jm_ | litage: ok, what is in /boot then? |
| 12:29.24 | litage | jm_: only grub/ |
| 12:29.33 | jm_ | litage: wrong root() |
| 12:29.55 | litage | jm_: so i should run this?: root (hd0,0) |
| 12:30.03 | jm_ | litage: yes, that looks about right |
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| 12:31.13 | litage | jm_: now nothing tab-completes; not even "g" to "grub" |
| 12:31.43 | litage | jm_: when /boot was mounted within the chroot, is it possible that the data wasn't sync'd before shutting down? |
| 12:31.46 | jm_ | litage: just try cat (hd0,0)/<tab><tab> |
| 12:31.53 | jm_ | litage: hmm sounds unlikely |
| 12:32.24 | jeanjacques | is it possible to make a datacenter using debian ? |
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| 12:32.31 | Faust_ | Just one question: where can I find packages that aren't in incoming.debian.org anymore and didn't hit the archive yet? |
| 12:32.39 | litage | jm_: that cat command showed the images in /boot/ |
| 12:32.51 | jm_ | litage: good, so it's all there |
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| 12:33.10 | litage | aye |
| 12:33.10 | faber2 | if i installed the debian kernel 2-6 package, is there a way to update the initrd.img although i am in kernel 2.4 ? |
| 12:33.15 | sieste | hi all |
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| 12:33.45 | litage | faber2: if you install a new kernel via apt, the initrd image will be setup for you |
| 12:34.05 | faber2 | litage: the problem is, it does not work |
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| 12:34.32 | litage | jm_: so why does ``cat (hd0,0)/<tab><tab>'' list the contents of /boot/, but not ``/<tab><tab>''? |
| 12:34.33 | faber2 | litage: i get pivot_root: no such file or directory |
| 12:34.35 | sieste | I just remove my /var/lib/dpkg/info/. Anyone know how to repair this big error ? |
| 12:34.53 | jm_ | litage: did you call root (hd0,0)? |
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| 12:35.14 | DarKnesS_WolF | guys 1st time for me to use aptitude and it's want to download lots of packages i donn why .. any one has any idea ? |
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| 12:35.18 | jm_ | sieste: ls /var/backups |
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| 12:35.37 | jm_ | siezer: ahh wait, info - now that's bad |
| 12:35.54 | sieste | jm_: and then ? |
| 12:36.07 | jm_ | sieste: you'll have to reinstall all packages |
| 12:36.18 | dorto | any simple application that allows me to capture images from the webcam? |
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| 12:38.14 | faber2 | litage: can i tell apt-get what modules i need in initrd.img? |
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| 12:38.27 | litage | jm_: yes, i did |
| 12:38.29 | sieste | jm_: in var/backup i have a infodir.bak. It that one i have to move to /var/lib/dpkg |
| 12:38.36 | sieste | ? |
| 12:38.37 | litage | jm_: okay, so i booted onto the sata with the kernel |
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| 12:38.48 | jm_ | sieste: no, info dir is not backed up, just the status file - I misread it at first |
| 12:38.56 | litage | jm_: i went to create the symlink, but /boot/boot/grub/ exists, and is populated |
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| 12:39.14 | jm_ | litage: then it looks fine (grub-install obviously sets this up correctly) |
| 12:39.34 | litage | jm_: /boot/boot is a directory though, not a link |
| 12:39.44 | jm_ | litage: yes, even better |
| 12:39.44 | appletree | hi@all |
| 12:39.47 | litage | jm_: why? |
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| 12:39.59 | jm_ | litage: well it's less confusing than a symlink to . I think |
| 12:40.01 | litage | jm_: now there are 2 grub directories: /boot/grub/ and /boot/boot/grub/ |
| 12:40.12 | jm_ | litage: the latter is the right one |
| 12:40.28 | jm_ | litage: for such situations, symlink is a better choice |
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| 12:40.35 | j4v4m4n | how do I upgrade to automake 1.5 , even i installed sarge and upgraded to unstable, but still the latest version available is 1.4 and I need atlease 1.5, automake site has version 1.9 |
| 12:40.50 | j4v4m4n | i compiled new versions but strange errors it showing |
| 12:40.53 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: why? |
| 12:40.57 | abrotman | j4v4m4n: apt-cache search automake |
| 12:41.10 | j4v4m4n | it has only 1.4 |
| 12:41.18 | litage | jm_: k. i'm going to backup /boot/grub/, then ``rm -rf /boot/grub/ && mv /boot/boot/grub/ /boot/ && cd /boot/ && ln -s . boot'' |
| 12:41.27 | jm_ | litage: no |
| 12:41.34 | litage | jm_: why not? |
| 12:41.48 | jm_ | litage: wait, it looks OK |
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| 12:41.57 | sieste | jm_: I have to reinstall my debian ? (faster than reinstall all packages ) |
| 12:42.07 | jm_ | sieste: whichever is easier for you |
| 12:42.22 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: 1.5 was only in Woody, it's not in Sarge and newer |
| 12:42.32 | j4v4m4n | abrotman: hey thanks a lot it has 1.6, 1.7, 1.8 |
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| 12:43.04 | j4v4m4n | jm_: it is missing here :-) that's why my search for 1.5 didn't bring any results |
| 12:43.21 | j4v4m4n | jm_: I was wondering why it was still 1.4 !! |
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| 12:43.28 | j4v4m4n | thanks a lot folks |
| 12:43.33 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: did you read what I just said? Sarge and newer releases don't have 1.5 |
| 12:43.43 | _NiC | Hello, I have a debian-server running on woody, and would like to upgrade to sarge. Do I need to recompile programs I've compiled myself when I apt-get a new version of libc6 (or any other library)? |
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| 12:44.19 | abrotman | j4v4m4n: sarge also has multiple versions |
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| 12:44.29 | abrotman | !tell _NiC about woody->sarge |
| 12:44.42 | abrotman | _NiC: what have you compiled yourself ? |
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| 12:45.08 | _NiC | abrotman: qmail-stuff. |
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| 12:45.29 | abrotman | _NiC: you might ... but if you still have the source tree .. should be a simple rebuild |
| 12:45.36 | abrotman | as simple as qmail is :) |
| 12:45.49 | _NiC | I wish I had gone for postfix a few years back.. but I didn't ;) |
| 12:45.55 | abrotman | so do it now! :) |
| 12:46.01 | jeanjacques | i'm looking for an automated backup tool on debian any advice ? |
| 12:46.10 | _NiC | abrotman: working on it. :-) |
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| 12:46.32 | j4v4m4n | abrotman: but why it is not upgrading ? even after installing 1.8, the default link is 1.4, why ? |
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| 12:46.55 | j4v4m4n | abrotman: now I've to manually link the new version |
| 12:47.06 | _NiC | abrotman: will qmail etc work at all when I've installed the new libc6? |
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| 12:47.48 | abrotman | j4v4m4n: you may need to lok at `update-alternatives` |
| 12:48.08 | abrotman | _NiC: it could ... depends on the way the code is written |
| 12:49.02 | j4v4m4n | abrotman: manual link creating problems ? how do I do that run `update-alternatives` |
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| 12:49.42 | abrotman | j4v4m4n: man update-alternatives |
| 12:49.55 | abrotman | j4v4m4n: debian has an alternatives system .. |
| 12:50.06 | abrotman | !alternatives |
| 12:50.06 | dpkg | well, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
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| 12:50.15 | clojster | how can I make aterm transparent in LoginShell mode? It's transparent until I run some program which makes output on terminal (like clear). When I run it, the background goes black. Interesting is that this doesn't happend when running "ls" (in color mode) |
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| 12:51.03 | abrotman | j4v4m4n: it's just a guess .. but worth inspecting |
| 12:51.04 | infowolfe | is there a place where i can ask about debian experimental (ie: speak to devs, file bug reports, etc?) |
| 12:51.10 | _NiC | hm, didn't know aptitude was the way to upgrade packages now |
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| 12:51.27 | abrotman | infowolfe: i'm not sure you're supposed to file bugs on experimental packages |
| 12:51.32 | Metrics | clojster: I think it happens with ncurses programs, which take complete control of the terminal. |
| 12:51.52 | infowolfe | abrotman, or you could tell me when sid'll have gnome 2.6.12 ;-) |
| 12:51.59 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 12:51.59 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 12:52.06 | xfan | is there a easy-way to install the new "free oracle" on debian ? |
| 12:52.06 | abrotman | infowolfe: that's all i can say .. |
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| 12:52.26 | clojster | Metrics: so clear is ncurses program, while ls is not? |
| 12:52.31 | infowolfe | abrotman, you're right, #debian isn't #gnome, but #gnome's had 2.12 released for quite a while now ;-) |
| 12:52.57 | abrotman | infowolfe: you didn't read the whole factoid :) |
| 12:52.59 | Metrics | clojster: I think clear takes control of the terminal someohow. |
| 12:53.14 | infowolfe | didn't even see the factoid, apologies ;-) |
| 12:53.20 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 12:53.29 | abrotman | infowolfe: make sense now ? |
| 12:53.42 | infowolfe | funny though that #gnome-debian only has me and chanserv in it ;-) |
| 12:53.49 | j4v4m4n | abrotman: already reading man :-) but it is a bit confusing |
| 12:53.53 | Metrics | clojster: Actually, my aterm is transparent even when I run clear, only ncurses stuff. |
| 12:54.01 | Metrics | clojster: Mucks it up. |
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| 12:54.27 | j4v4m4n | anyone know how to use update-alternatives (raeding man pages now) |
| 12:54.28 | abrotman | j4v4m4n: update-alternatives --list automake |
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| 12:54.31 | jm_ | infowolfe: did you notice how it says that's on a different IRC server? |
| 12:54.38 | abrotman | j4v4m4n: that's your free hint :) |
| 12:54.46 | clojster | Metrics: it's weird... what about groups, users (they too makes bacground of their output black. And vlc while displaying version info etc makes the background black |
| 12:54.46 | petemc | j4v4m4n: update-alternatives --config foo |
| 12:54.57 | clojster | Metrics: and you have it in LoginShell mode? |
| 12:55.01 | infowolfe | ah, wonderfuil |
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| 12:55.10 | Metrics | clojster: Ahhh....no, maybe not. Let me check. |
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| 12:55.40 | litage | jm_: it works now, though something odd happened a minute ago that i won't bother to go into |
| 12:56.11 | jm_ | litage: I take it you're not talking about Kylie's ass then :P |
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| 12:56.25 | outlaw | hi |
| 12:56.33 | Metrics | clojster: Even when in loginShell mode, groups, users, clear, all work fine. |
| 12:57.04 | clojster | Metrics: welll... that's weird. |
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| 12:57.25 | outlaw | need help, will mir debian ziehen, weiß aber nicht welche version ich brauch, also "alpha" oder "i386" oder "arm" oder "hppa" wer weiß rat? |
| 12:57.30 | Metrics | clojster: In .Xdefaults I have Aterm*transparent: on |
| 12:57.38 | Gumby | anyone here know the name of an X program that will show you the ID of a keypress from an IR Remote. my brain is failing me |
| 12:57.45 | clojster | Metrics: ok, I try that |
| 12:57.53 | Metrics | clojster: Aterm*shading:20 Aterm*fading:50 |
| 12:57.58 | saloxin | outlaw: uname -a ? |
| 12:58.06 | outlaw | sorry? |
| 12:58.14 | Metrics | Gumby: xev? |
| 12:58.26 | outlaw | uname -a |
| 12:58.34 | saloxin | uhm, i might have misunderstood, could you rephrase in english? |
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| 12:59.04 | Gumby | Metrics: YES, thank you |
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| 12:59.10 | nkuttler | !de |
| 12:59.10 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 12:59.13 | Metrics | Gumby: np |
| 12:59.13 | j4v4m4n | how to add woody to sources.list ? unstable main is already there so just adding woody would do ? |
| 12:59.13 | outlaw | ehm, ok, i will download debian for the first time, but i don´t know which version i should take |
| 12:59.23 | TheCount | outlaw: enter 'uname -m' |
| 12:59.38 | TheCount | outlaw: take 'stable' aka 'sarge' aka Debian 3.1 |
| 12:59.46 | saloxin | outlaw: what kind of machine are you going to install on? |
| 12:59.51 | TheCount | !de |
| 12:59.51 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 13:00.13 | outlaw | i have a IBM Thinkpad T40 |
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| 13:00.48 | Metrics | outlaw: If you have a net connection, get the Sarge netinstall. |
| 13:00.52 | saloxin | outlaw: heh me too. i386 it is :-) (refers to processor type) |
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| 13:00.56 | outlaw | here is the url where i have to choose a version http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 13:01.07 | outlaw | ah ok, thx! |
| 13:01.19 | outlaw | whats the difference between all these versions? |
| 13:01.19 | Anthro | Okay, I've hosed my install to the point where I'm just going to have to reinstall. What should I try to save other than /etc and /usr/local? |
| 13:01.23 | litage | jm_: haha, what happened to kylie's ass? |
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| 13:01.35 | _NiC | anthro: /home? |
| 13:01.36 | TheCount | outlaw: think about using http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:01.37 | sep | Anthro, /home ? :) |
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| 13:01.44 | jm_ | litage: nothing ;) |
| 13:01.46 | saloxin | outlaw: supports different processors |
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| 13:02.08 | Anthro | Okay, other than /etc, /usr/local, and /home (which is a different partition and is just fine)? |
| 13:02.26 | outlaw | thx @ all helpers |
| 13:02.31 | litage | jm_: aw, that's too bad. i asked the post office to mail it to you last night after all the help you've given me. they told me it'd arrive within 24 hours |
| 13:02.43 | _NiC | anthro: something in /var perhaps? /var/Www/ or.. something.. you should know better ;-) |
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| 13:02.49 | _NiC | (than me) |
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| 13:02.53 | jm_ | litage: haha |
| 13:02.57 | outlaw | why should i use netinst? isn´t better to have all stuff on cd? |
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| 13:03.08 | litage | jm_: =) just wanted to show my appreciation for your patience and help |
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| 13:03.14 | Anthro | _NiC: Ah, yes, I do have some stuff in /var/www. Thanks for reminding me. That's exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. |
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| 13:04.09 | outlaw | sorry for all these silly questions, it´s a pity that i don´t have the knowledge |
| 13:04.13 | litage | jm_: when the sata drive boots, it fails to recognize that it should load the e1000 module for the ethernet controller. ``cat e1000 >>/etc/modules'' fixes this, but i thought the kernel would be able to figure that out on its own |
| 13:04.26 | petemc | outlaw: first intention, then enlightenment |
| 13:05.13 | Gumby | if I have a source file that has a debian directory in it I am asuming I am able to create a deb from this. Is there somewhere I can read how? |
| 13:05.15 | jm_ | litage: no, not kernel - hotplug usually loads them, or discover |
| 13:05.21 | outlaw | @petemc true, true ;) |
| 13:05.21 | fooz | litage, loading modules is the administrator's job |
| 13:05.33 | sep | i am trying m-a a-i nvidia on a amd64, on i386 it usualy works ok. but on amd64 it can't download nvidia-kernel-source. apt-cache search shows it's a virtual package. the docs regarding the issue on amd64's page say read the docs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian but i can't install that package whats going on here ? (yes i have contrib and non-free sources) |
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| 13:05.38 | saloxin | Gumby: ./debian/rules binary |
| 13:05.38 | litage | jm_: ah, i don't believe hotplug or discover is installed yet =P |
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| 13:06.19 | outlaw | thx & bye |
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| 13:12.01 | j4v4m4n | jm_: I don't undersatand why sarge doesn't have automake1.5 when woody has it, sarge has 1.4 ;-( To make my life difficult ;-( or automake's versions count down ! |
| 13:12.18 | Shadur | I've gotten it to chroot all users in a certain class to their home directories, but for some of them I want to create a virtual directory pointing to /var/log/apache/username as well. I can't symlink because they're chrooted and I can't hardlink because /var is on a different partition. |
| 13:12.26 | Shadur | Er, proftpd, that is. |
| 13:12.40 | saloxin | Shadur: mount --bind |
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| 13:12.47 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: not sure what the reason is either, but it shoudn't be a problem anyway |
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| 13:13.08 | saloxin | Shadur: in large scale it'll mess up your mount table, but it still works |
| 13:13.24 | j4v4m4n | but my program is specifically asking for 15 |
| 13:13.51 | Metrics | clojster: How did you go? |
| 13:13.53 | j4v4m4n | even 1.8 doesn't satify it |
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| 13:15.57 | litage | jm_: well, everything's working now |
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| 13:16.35 | jm_ | litage: enjoy |
| 13:16.42 | litage | jm_: thank you for helping me so much over the past few days. if it wasn't for you, i don't know where i'd be ;) |
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| 13:18.30 | jm_ | night |
| 13:18.39 | imex | .msg lisa |
| 13:18.42 | enveezee | g'night, litage |
| 13:18.49 | enveezee | lisa says hi |
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| 13:18.53 | enveezee | heh |
| 13:18.59 | imex | i dont mean that way |
| 13:19.19 | imex | i am trying to setup samba but reading all the acticles |
| 13:19.24 | imex | that i need lisa |
| 13:19.37 | imex | i have sarge, do i need lisa to work with samba? |
| 13:19.40 | enveezee | who the hell is lisa |
| 13:19.51 | imex | its browsing |
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| 13:20.11 | paulliu | enveezee: lisa is a package... |
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| 13:20.37 | enveezee | paulliu: oh yeah? a package eh? is she the total package? |
| 13:20.38 | imex | do i need that to make my network works with Windows Network? |
| 13:20.38 | Phated | And she has feelings, too! |
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| 13:20.51 | Phated | So stop talking about her like she's just... just... BITS! |
| 13:20.53 | Phated | :) |
| 13:20.53 | imex | she is hard to get nowadays |
| 13:21.03 | Metrics | enveezee: For basic file sharing, all you need is just samba. |
| 13:21.09 | imex | when i try apt-get install lisa, cant find |
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| 13:21.21 | enveezee | Metrics: I know cause I use samba and I never met lisa |
| 13:21.29 | resiak | Phated: You don't have feelings, do you? |
| 13:21.44 | imex | are you all just using user level? |
| 13:21.55 | saloxin | imex: some recommend swat - Samba Web Administration Tool |
| 13:22.00 | imex | I have a domain (NT4) setup |
| 13:22.02 | Phated | resiak: .. How.... how could you SAY that? |
| 13:22.12 | resiak | Phated: :) |
| 13:22.21 | Phated | resiak: :) |
| 13:22.26 | imex | is swat available on apt-get? |
| 13:22.37 | resiak | !info sway |
| 13:22.38 | resiak | !info swat |
| 13:22.50 | imex | !info swat |
| 13:22.52 | resiak | ... |
| 13:22.54 | dpkg | swat: (Samba Web Administration Tool), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.20b-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4388 kB, Installed size: 10688 kB |
| 13:23.05 | Phated | Heeh. |
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| 13:23.21 | imex | getting it now, hope that helps |
| 13:23.35 | Metrics | imex: I'd recommend the samba webmin module. |
| 13:23.41 | raven3x7 | hi |
| 13:23.56 | imex | doesn't getting swat will take care of that as well? |
| 13:24.10 | j4v4m4n | jm_:now removed 1.4 and downloaded 1.5 and installed it with dpkg to satify the program :-) |
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| 13:24.12 | enveezee | raven3x7: not yet, but I am working on it |
| 13:24.17 | resiak | !webmin |
| 13:24.17 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
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| 13:24.28 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: doesn't sound like a good idea |
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| 13:24.41 | raven3x7 | to get my kernel sources configured tha same as my kernel-image i type make oldconfig right? |
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| 13:25.03 | xfan | webmin its a great tool |
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| 13:25.09 | enveezee | raven3x7: what version are you running and what are you compiling? |
| 13:25.22 | Metrics | I second that webmin is a great tool. Just don't leave it exposed to the outside world. |
| 13:25.40 | xfan | Metrics : thats true |
| 13:26.05 | imex | after getting swat, also get webmin? |
| 13:26.11 | xfan | with a large password, works fine |
| 13:26.20 | raven3x7 | enveezee: sarge 3.1r0a i want to compile the nvidia installer drivers because i need an older version to get my card working |
| 13:26.22 | enveezee | Metrics: I would only consider using webmin if I was making a net appliance for a moron who didnt want to pay normal IT staff to do basic administration |
| 13:26.24 | imex | how Large is large? |
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| 13:26.41 | xfan | 9+ |
| 13:26.41 | Metrics | enveezee: What makes you say that? |
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| 13:26.54 | imex | k sounds good |
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| 13:27.05 | xfan | chars + numbers |
| 13:27.07 | enveezee | Metrics: its just a shitty way to go about administering a system |
| 13:27.21 | imex | !info webmin |
| 13:27.27 | dpkg | webmin: (web-based administration toolkit), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.230-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1154 kB, Installed size: 6368 kB |
| 13:27.28 | Metrics | enveezee: I find, if you need to throw something together quick, then it lets you get setup, and then later...fine use the config files. But it's often a good introduction. |
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| 13:27.34 | Metrics | enveezee: Learn by example. |
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| 13:28.07 | enveezee | Metrics: I've never had any problems opening /usr/share/doc/foo/examples/bar.conf and saving it where I wanted it |
| 13:28.49 | imex | hmmm cant find package (webmin) |
| 13:28.55 | imex | on apt-get |
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| 13:29.44 | xfan | http://packages.debian.org/webmin |
| 13:30.02 | imex | yep found it thanks |
| 13:30.09 | zulu | .... |
| 13:30.10 | imex | hehe thats always my next step |
| 13:30.15 | imex | ater apt-get fails |
| 13:30.17 | Metrics | enveezee: Yeah, fair call. But, for example, I put up a shorewall firewall the other day. First thing I did, installed the webmin module, did the basic set up so I could check that all the syntax was okay, and then worked on the files from then. |
| 13:31.39 | imex | cool, i have to go out, back later and hope those would work for me |
| 13:31.41 | enveezee | Metrics: my opinion is webmin is for remote administration of web based appliances administered by people who dont know linux/unix/bsd |
| 13:31.53 | imex | yes that would work for me |
| 13:32.05 | zulu | endless_, it's windoz |
| 13:32.17 | zulu | endless_, it's there |
| 13:32.42 | zulu | sorry... that is for enveezee |
| 13:32.49 | enveezee | Metrics: there is also usermin if you wanted to create a web appliance with user services like personal web space, ssh/shell accounts..etc usermin allows users to administer basic aspects of their accounts without the full control of webmin |
| 13:33.03 | Metrics | enveezee: Fine. Agree to disagree. Webmin is a tool for administering linux boxes. Nothing more, nothing less. If you find the tool useful, then so be it, if not, then let it be. |
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| 13:34.34 | enveezee | Metrics: a Boeing 747 and a Mercedes E500 are both transportation vehicles but only one of them would be wise to try and use to travel from California to Japan |
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| 13:35.10 | Metrics | enveezee: So is vim and emacs, both are tools to do the same job. Different tools, different people. |
| 13:35.14 | enveezee | there are many linux admin utils available IMHO this one is specialized for a specific purpose |
| 13:35.42 | Phated | Y'know, that really depends. I hear the new mercedes series are really nice for transatlantic, and of course, once you're on Europe/Asia, you have a nice drive to Japan. :) |
| 13:35.49 | imex | see you all later |
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| 13:36.05 | cryndes | hi |
| 13:36.27 | enveezee | Phated: I'd like to see you drive your ass over here and visit me in a Mercedes |
| 13:36.37 | enveezee | Phated: I will believe it when I see it |
| 13:36.46 | Phated | enveezee: Buy me a mercedes, and we'll talk. |
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| 13:36.55 | Metrics | hehe |
| 13:37.12 | cryndes | i have a Intel 82801 IDE Ultra ATA Storage Conroler and in the kern.log is only ATA(33) displayed..? |
| 13:38.00 | cryndes | the intel 82801 controler is a ATA 100 one |
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| 13:38.23 | enveezee | Phated: sure, I'll buy you two one to drive the other to sail |
| 13:38.41 | Phated | enveezee: Good man. |
| 13:38.57 | Metrics | enveezee: Tis very generous of you. |
| 13:39.43 | enveezee | I'm just a generous person. |
| 13:39.47 | cryndes | can anyone help me out with my problem? |
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| 13:39.56 | cryndes | i have a Intel 82801 IDE Ultra ATA Storage Conroler and in the kern.log is only ATA(33) displayed..? |
| 13:39.57 | cryndes | the intel 82801 controler is a ATA 100 one |
| 13:40.13 | jm_ | cryndes: 1) stop repeating, 2) load driver for it |
| 13:40.14 | cryndes | on my notebook |
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| 13:40.29 | cryndes | jm_: where do i get the driver? *g* |
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| 13:40.52 | jm_ | cryndes: kernel has it |
| 13:41.02 | enveezee | WENAS WHO USES IDE LOL!!!1! |
| 13:41.05 | sep | nobody that can answer my amd64+nvidia question ? |
| 13:41.08 | enveezee | :P |
| 13:41.41 | DarKnesS_WolF | how can i set a nice splash screen for my grub ? i got grub splash screen package and installed but what file i should link to the pic i want to be my splash screen ? |
| 13:41.48 | sep | i often answer but never get answered... probably meens i ask to difficult questions. :/ |
| 13:41.53 | jm_ | sep: they have amd64 driver |
| 13:42.05 | nix | DarKnesS_WolF: bootlogo.de |
| 13:42.09 | enveezee | sep: yeah that tends to be the case with all of use regulars |
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| 13:42.22 | enveezee | sep: we can help the newbies, but we can rarely answer each other's questions |
| 13:42.23 | DarKnesS_WolF | nix, location ? |
| 13:42.27 | djp | where is a good place to look for recommended games for gnu/linux? would the awarded game titles by linux journal be a good place to start? |
| 13:42.27 | nix | i mean www.bootsplash.de |
| 13:42.31 | jm_ | DarKnesS_WolF: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 13:42.41 | sep | jm_, aye. but etch dont have the nvidia-kernel-source package. even tho the doc's of amd64 page say it should have it |
| 13:42.41 | DarKnesS_WolF | jm_, okay ;) |
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| 13:42.50 | nix | also .org |
| 13:42.53 | sep | and yes i have non-free/contrib |
| 13:42.53 | jm_ | sep: use it from sid? |
| 13:42.56 | nix | .org is better site |
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| 13:44.29 | sep | jm_, hmm would i need to configure pinning then to avoid going all siddish ?= |
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| 13:45.02 | jm_ | sep: I would just go to packages.debian.org and download it by hand, or use lftp on ftp.no.debian.org |
| 13:45.27 | jm_ | sep: i.e. "simple sid backport" idea |
| 13:45.37 | sep | this is why i allways stick to sarge :) |
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| 13:52.59 | blaamann | lash debian sarge |
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| 13:54.21 | nuno | sorry to bother ... how can I setup my ssmtp.conf if my mailhub=host.domain.tld needs auth from me |
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| 13:55.31 | TheCount | nuno: you basically can't - you've go to do this on the command line |
| 13:55.54 | nuno | -auUSERNAME -apPASSWORD ? |
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| 13:56.17 | TheCount | nuno: exactly. might be problematic if you use ssmtp as a sendmail replacement |
| 13:56.34 | nuno | i setup sendmail flags like that ? ... sendmail -auUSERNAME="myusername" -apPASSWORD="mypassword" ? |
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| 13:57.30 | nuno | it worked just fine ... I could have my php stuff use ssmtp just fine ..but dam ISP did that change on the smtp server and now I need auth |
| 13:57.34 | TheCount | nuno: those aren't exactly sendmail flags ... |
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| 13:58.04 | nuno | so how can I say to everytime I use ssmtp to include those flags |
| 13:58.10 | nuno | an alias ? |
| 13:58.19 | TheCount | nuno: a wrapping shellscript, I'd say |
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| 13:58.22 | nuno | alias ssmtp="ssmtp -auUSERNAME" |
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| 13:58.26 | nuno | bla bla :D |
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| 13:58.35 | nuno | yeah... |
| 13:58.54 | nuno | TheCount, thx for your help |
| 13:58.55 | TheCount | nuno: aliases only work in the shell |
| 13:59.04 | TheCount | nuno: no need, you're welcome |
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| 14:00.15 | TheCount | hm. damn. current version seem to allow for AuthUser, AuthPass and AuthMethod. too bad. |
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| 14:03.51 | Mjelva | case: after my windows partition getting corrupted, i switched to debian as my primary boot. i'm not interested in going back, so i'd like to make that space available. i deleted the partition with fdisk, and recreated it as a fat32 partition. problem: i'm still unable to mount it, and get an error reading "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2" etc etc. what have i done wrong, and/or what do i need to do? |
| 14:04.04 | nuno | TheCount, sorry to bother .. was just to say that I found a solution . using a mailwrapper |
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| 14:04.28 | jm_ | Mjelva: did you mkfs it? |
| 14:04.39 | clojster | how can I change color of text in console? |
| 14:04.56 | jm_ | clojster: setterm |
| 14:05.03 | blaamann | Where is the proper/standard place to mount USB sticks, under /media or under /mnt ? Is there a standard I should follow ? |
| 14:05.08 | kromagg | anyone having troubles with mount on boot? It only seems to mount / and swap, mount -a does work |
| 14:05.13 | Mjelva | jm_- no. what is that? |
| 14:05.20 | jm_ | Mjelva: man mkfs |
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| 14:05.25 | TheCount | nuno: current ssmtp version seems to allow for AuthUser, AuthPass and AuthMethod as well ... |
| 14:05.33 | TheCount | nuno: didn't see that before, sorry |
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| 14:05.46 | nuno | yes :) |
| 14:05.47 | jm_ | kromagg: are you using sid? |
| 14:06.07 | TheCount | Mjelva: are you sure you want to use it as fat32? |
| 14:06.09 | nuno | TheCount, no problem ... thx anyway ... I sorted it just fine |
| 14:06.09 | kromagg | jm_: yes |
| 14:06.11 | nuno | cya |
| 14:06.11 | clojster | jm_: but it doen't work on standard console (not in X), does it? |
| 14:06.22 | kromagg | jm_: I checked the bts but didn't really find anything |
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| 14:06.33 | jm_ | kromagg: did you check if the grep problem is the one responsible for it? sid users should have more debugging skills |
| 14:06.38 | Mjelva | TheCount- well, no. would you recommend i use some other file system? |
| 14:06.43 | jm_ | clojster: it should work on console |
| 14:06.48 | clojster | ok |
| 14:06.49 | Mjelva | would ext2 or 3 be better somehow? |
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| 14:07.09 | kromagg | jm_: /usr doesn't get mounted, so I highly doubt it is a grep problem |
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| 14:07.18 | jm_ | kromagg: yes that's exactly grep problem ... |
| 14:07.31 | TheCount | Mjelva: I prefer XFS and would deem ext3 acceptable for most uses as well - so you should most likely go for ext3 |
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| 14:07.39 | kromagg | hmmm |
| 14:07.53 | wang | anyone know how to change what e-mail client mozilla uses when you click on an email link? |
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| 14:08.08 | TheCount | Mjelva: most likely you didn't mention the fs type, or a wrong one, or haven't had the module for the corresponding type loaded |
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| 14:09.19 | Mjelva | TheCount- you mean set it in fdisk? |
| 14:09.21 | Mjelva | or when i mounted? |
| 14:09.28 | kromagg | jm_: any workarounds? |
| 14:09.40 | TheCount | Mjelva: when you initialize (aka 'format', 'mkfs') it |
| 14:09.40 | jm_ | kromagg: downgrade? |
| 14:09.55 | Elm | debian etch shows me a big list of packages, which it doesn't want to install, why that? |
| 14:10.06 | Mjelva | TheCount- i didn't. i've never done this before. anyway, do i need to set the filesystem in fdisk before i mkfs it? |
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| 14:11.48 | Fluitje | niet? |
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| 14:12.09 | dodoherty | What's the most efficient way to integrate Linux and Windows machines on a network with one Linux server? I want seperate logins, permissions, and file storage. |
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| 14:13.26 | cryndes_ | the "Loading Linux...." process at the boot time is to slow... on my pentium centrino 1.6ghz.. any idea? |
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| 14:13.45 | cryndes_ | it takes about 20 seconds... |
| 14:13.45 | jm_ | cryndes: Loading Linux is a message displayed by GRUB, your boot loader |
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| 14:13.58 | cryndes_ | jm_: nono.. i use lilo |
| 14:14.04 | cryndes_ | jm_: i takes 20 seconds... |
| 14:14.08 | cryndes_ | jm_: to slow? |
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| 14:14.30 | cryndes_ | cryndes_: my 400mhz p2 is quiklier |
| 14:14.32 | Eu_Fabiano | please... anyone here can help-me to configure my X ? |
| 14:14.33 | jm_ | cryndes_: pretty strange that it's so slow - what modes does your disk operate in Linux? |
| 14:14.55 | xcyborg | why doesn't debian's useradd support -M argument anymore ? |
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| 14:15.08 | cryndes_ | jm_: what do you mean? |
| 14:15.11 | cryndes_ | jm_: my hdd? |
| 14:15.17 | jm_ | cryndes_: udma modes |
| 14:15.23 | cryndes_ | jm_: my hdd is a UMDA5 ... |
| 14:15.28 | cryndes_ | jm_: but linux shows only umda3 |
| 14:15.33 | cryndes_ | jm_: i dunno what to do |
| 14:15.40 | cryndes_ | jm_: its everything to slow |
| 14:15.47 | cryndes_ | jm_: windows works correctly |
| 14:15.48 | jm_ | cryndes_: is DMA enabled? |
| 14:15.48 | Mjelva | jm_- do i need to set the partition type in fdisk before i mkfs? |
| 14:16.04 | cryndes_ | jm_: append="ide0=dma" in the boot parameters of lilo |
| 14:16.05 | j4v4m4n | jm_: I played with automake and now I'm not able to run it |
| 14:16.07 | jm_ | Mjelva: not really, it's pretty much irrelevant, but you can set it if you want to match your fs type |
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| 14:16.14 | Mjelva | ok. |
| 14:16.20 | mne | how can I mount a multi-track bin/cue image ? |
| 14:16.21 | j4v4m4n | jm_: ./autogen.sh: line 6: aclocal: command not found |
| 14:16.22 | jm_ | cryndes_: that won't help without appropriate kernel support |
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| 14:16.29 | gsnedders | where do you get boot-floppy-hfs.img? |
| 14:16.35 | jm_ | mne: tried cdemu? |
| 14:16.49 | mne | jm_, is doesn't compile but I think it should do the job |
| 14:17.04 | mne | jm_, is there anything else i could use ? |
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| 14:17.11 | jm_ | mne: it compiles just fine for me |
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| 14:17.12 | Mjelva | jm_- what's xfs, and how is it different from ext3? |
| 14:17.14 | cryndes_ | jm_: anyway.. tanks |
| 14:17.16 | cryndes_ | thanks |
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| 14:17.46 | Eu_Fabiano | i finished the instalation but X did not start... no graphic mode... how i configure my X ? |
| 14:17.46 | jm_ | Mjelva: it's SGI's file system, they used it in IRIX first then ported it to Linux |
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| 14:18.49 | Mjelva | jm_- xfs > or < ext3? |
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| 14:19.00 | zuralin | depends |
| 14:19.05 | Mjelva | on? |
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| 14:19.14 | mne | jm_, you're right, it compiles now. I just found out that make doesn't like directories with spaces in their names. thank you |
| 14:19.18 | jm_ | Mjelva: I haven't used XFS yet (on Linux that is), just ext3, so I always use ext3 |
| 14:19.27 | Mjelva | ok |
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| 14:19.36 | zuralin | i use xfs on my mythtv box |
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| 14:23.19 | Mjelva | jm_- i wanna use this new partition for ~/. do i just mount it like that, or is it a bit more complicated? |
| 14:23.30 | Mjelva | zuralin - what's good/bad about xfs? |
| 14:23.34 | jm_ | Mjelva: that doesn't sound like a good idea |
| 14:24.01 | Mjelva | jm_- how come? my primary linux partition is full. i'd like to keep my /home files on another partition. |
| 14:24.26 | zuralin | its good for large files |
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| 14:24.35 | jm_ | Mjelva: I would mount it as say /stuff and then create a dir for myself on it and add a symlink somewhere in /, alternativly, mount it as /home and move user dirs to it |
| 14:24.57 | sep | Mjelva, use ext3 unless you want to store huge files, i use xfs on the backup server that stores files in the 10-20 Gb range |
| 14:24.58 | zuralin | probably not as stable as ext3.. but i havent run into any problems with it yet |
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| 14:25.17 | sep | Mjelva, also you save time on disc clones with xfs-dump and xfs-restore |
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| 14:25.29 | Mjelva | jm_- how would i go about moving files to it after mounting it to /home? |
| 14:25.37 | Mjelva | would all the files already in /home be moved to the new partition? |
| 14:25.39 | TheCount | .. and XFS is the only filesystem I never lost data with. |
| 14:25.51 | TheCount | but ext3 is pretty reliable as well. |
| 14:25.58 | jm_ | Mjelva: first mv /home /home.old, then mount it under /home and mv /home.old/* /home |
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| 14:26.06 | jm_ | preferably in single user mode |
| 14:26.12 | TheCount | the average user should use ext3 unless he knows better (i.e. the why not) |
| 14:26.22 | Mjelva | i don't know better |
| 14:26.50 | Mjelva | jm_- will the be ok, even with all the config files and such in /home? |
| 14:26.58 | jm_ | Mjelva: why wouldn't it be? |
| 14:27.02 | Mjelva | dunno |
| 14:27.05 | Mjelva | just making sure |
| 14:27.11 | jm_ | now you "no" |
| 14:27.24 | Mjelva | but i should log out of the GUI, so i'm only running one user? |
| 14:27.33 | jm_ | Mjelva: > preferably in single user mode |
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| 14:27.40 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 14:28.06 | Mjelva | jm_- is that what you mean with single user mode, tho? |
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| 14:28.19 | jm_ | Mjelva: define "that" |
| 14:28.26 | Mjelva | "single user mode" |
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| 14:28.39 | jm_ | Mjelva: now I don't understand your question |
| 14:28.42 | Mjelva | that i log out of fluxbox so i'm only logged in at command line |
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| 14:28.52 | Mjelva | 'cause now i'm logged in at both tty1 and tty7 |
| 14:28.52 | jm_ | Mjelva: no, it's a different run-level |
| 14:29.10 | Mjelva | ok. i think you'd have to explain that to me. |
| 14:29.17 | amorphix | my puter is acting rather strangely today |
| 14:29.17 | jm_ | /msg dpkg single user mode |
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| 14:30.08 | Mjelva | jm_- that said something about LILO. i use grub. |
| 14:30.19 | amorphix | i tried fluxbox once but it turned out to be a leap too far for me and i went back to my safe and comfortable kde |
| 14:30.35 | jm_ | Mjelva: same stuff, it told you the important part |
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| 14:30.59 | Mjelva | ok. i'll give it a shot. |
| 14:31.18 | amorphix | i think my laptop has a wireless nic but im not sure, is there a way to check |
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| 14:32.01 | bibe | amorphix : lspci -vv |
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| 14:32.09 | amorphix | on the description it said "wireless ready" i assumed that meant it does |
| 14:32.14 | amorphix | thanks bibe |
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| 14:32.37 | bibe | amorphix : is it a centrino-based laptop? |
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| 14:33.19 | amorphix | I think the term "hand over" springs to mind |
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| 14:33.36 | amorphix | ive been conned |
| 14:33.43 | amorphix | no way |
| 14:33.47 | amorphix | P3-500 |
| 14:33.54 | zinx | amorphix: it's ready for you to plug a wireless card in!! |
| 14:33.59 | amorphix | ha |
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| 14:34.23 | amorphix | i have one here but its not supported in Linux i dont think, at any rate I couldnt find a driver |
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| 14:34.51 | zinx | amorphix: if it doesn't say it supports 802.11*, it doesn't have wireless :) |
| 14:34.54 | amorphix | CardBus bridge: Toshiba America Info Systems ToPIC95 PCI to Cardbus Bridge with ZV Support |
| 14:34.57 | sep | amorphix, update-pciids && lspci and you should be able to know |
| 14:35.15 | amorphix | thats just the slot for the card eh |
| 14:35.30 | usn | hi folx |
| 14:35.36 | paulliu | Is there any way to "double-click" on a ".pls" file (containing an HTTP streaming URL) then play?? |
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| 14:36.01 | paulliu | XMMS or TOTEM seems can't read ".pls" files.. |
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| 14:36.18 | jeanjacques | hello |
| 14:36.19 | amorphix | what about Noatum |
| 14:36.25 | amorphix | *n |
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| 14:36.45 | jeanjacques | is it easier to uninstall an application wich was compiled from source or a deb package ? |
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| 14:36.56 | thingfish | I don't know about files, but I use totem to play .pls streams all the time. |
| 14:36.59 | loxley_ | jesusfish: deb src |
| 14:37.01 | jm_ | jeanjacques: the latter |
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| 14:37.11 | jeanjacques | jm_: ok |
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| 14:37.38 | amorphix | phew |
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| 14:37.50 | amorphix | its so windy I think my roof may blow away |
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| 14:38.34 | encompass | so... I am trying to install something and it says Package Foobar is not available but it referred to by another packed.. could someone further explain that to me? |
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| 14:38.50 | encompass | Does that mean if I install the reffered packeage it will install the right stuff? |
| 14:38.56 | paulliu | thingfish: My Totem says that "there is no plugin to handle this movie.", but when I use totem `cat xxx.pls` it is playable... |
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| 14:39.35 | amorphix | on my graphics card output it says: |
| 14:39.38 | amorphix | Region 0: Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128M] |
| 14:39.40 | thingfish | paulliu: hmm...I just saved a .pls file from protonradio.com, and it opened and played fine with totem. |
| 14:39.46 | amorphix | does that mean i have 128MB of VDRAM? |
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| 14:40.34 | amorphix | seems rather high |
| 14:40.40 | thingfish | paulliu: which version of debian are you running? |
| 14:40.45 | paulliu | thingfish: Are you using testing? |
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| 14:40.52 | thingfish | no, paulliu, sarge. |
| 14:40.52 | paulliu | thingfish: I'm using testing (etch) |
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| 14:41.22 | thingfish | paulliu: have you looked at the bts? |
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| 14:42.09 | amorphix | wtf |
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| 14:42.12 | jesusfish | how come when I try and update clamav-new on testing, I get an error that e2fsprogs needs to be removed? |
| 14:42.13 | paulliu | thingfish: no?.. |
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| 14:42.28 | amorphix | my CPU speed is being reported as 260MHz |
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| 14:42.37 | amorphix | but its a 500Mhz CPU, whats up? |
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| 14:42.59 | amorphix | does anyone know what "stepping 1" means |
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| 14:44.30 | paulliu | thingfish: OK, I saw it, #285333.... |
| 14:44.35 | thingfish | paulliu: bugs.debian.org/totem, fyi. But I'm not seeing there what you describe. |
| 14:44.40 | umbop | hey if i have a limited amount of space on my drive and i want to tar some things up, is there a way through tar to remove the file that has been added to the tar ? |
| 14:44.44 | loxley_ | amorphix: its like, it starts at 0 , then after bug fixes etc.. it becomes stepping 2.. if i am correct |
| 14:44.51 | umbop | hence enabling enough space to create the tar itself |
| 14:44.53 | thingfish | !dbugs 285333 |
| 14:44.55 | amorphix | oh |
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| 14:44.57 | dpkg | DONE:#285333:N[totem] totem handles playlists wrong.; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:18:02 UTC |
| 14:45.03 | amorphix | so stepping 1 is a reduced cpu power? |
| 14:45.13 | thingfish | yeah, I saw that one too. |
| 14:45.25 | Guerin | amorphix: feel free to monologue in private |
| 14:45.35 | Eu_Fabiano | to reconfigure my X, what i need to do? only digit "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as root ? |
| 14:45.53 | thingfish | Eu_Fabiano: that will do it, yes. |
| 14:46.08 | amorphix | Guerin: do you know if stepping 1 means the cpu is reducing its power to save battery? |
| 14:46.14 | Guerin | amorphix: no. |
| 14:46.17 | amorphix | ok |
| 14:46.21 | paulliu | thingfish: Thanks a lot. Seems I only need to wait for the newest version 1.2.0-1 into etch.. |
| 14:46.27 | Guerin | !tell Eu_Fabiano about set up x |
| 14:46.32 | thingfish | cool, paulliu. |
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| 14:49.19 | wwallace_lap | Host/Kernel/OS "KANOTIX_AT_LAPTOP" running Linux 2.6.14-kanotix-2 i686 [ KANOTIX 2005-04 LITE-RC15 ] |
| 14:49.19 | wwallace_lap | CPU Info Celeron (Coppermine) clocked at [ 766.831 MHz ] |
| 14:49.19 | wwallace_lap | Videocard Trident Microsystems CyberBlade i1 X.Org 6.8.2 [ 1024x768 @75hz ] |
| 14:49.19 | wwallace_lap | Network cards Xircom Cardbus Ethernet 10/100, at port: 1800 |
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| 14:51.08 | wwallace_lap | my apologies |
| 14:51.11 | wwallace_lap | wrong channel |
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| 14:51.38 | amorphix | I think my CPU is overclocked |
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| 14:51.51 | WE_R_ONE | how do I clear the tmp files ? |
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| 14:52.24 | Eu_Fabiano | can I use apt get without internet ? |
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| 14:52.36 | psnl | Eu_Fabiano: if you have cds, yes |
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| 14:52.46 | thingfish | Eu_Fabiano: sure, if you have the cd or dvd set. |
| 14:52.47 | Eu_Fabiano | ok |
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| 14:52.58 | Guerin | WE_R_ONE: reboot |
| 14:53.02 | Eu_Fabiano | i have the DVDs |
| 14:53.05 | Eu_Fabiano | thanx |
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| 14:53.14 | Guerin | Eu_Fabiano: man apt-cdrom |
| 14:53.18 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 14:53.25 | gigabytes | a bit question. |
| 14:53.41 | gigabytes | what about the soon-avalible kde 3.5 in debian sid?? |
| 14:53.59 | Guerin | gigabytes: when was kde 3.5 released? |
| 14:54.14 | WE_R_ONE | Guerin, you serious that cleans out the tmp folder? |
| 14:54.16 | gigabytes | Guerin, never.... I said "soon-avalible" |
| 14:54.28 | Guerin | gigabytes: after it's released. |
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| 14:54.35 | Guerin | gigabytes: what about it? |
| 14:54.41 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: that's when /tmp is cleared out, yes. |
| 14:54.49 | Guerin | WE_R_ONE: you can delete stuff in /tmp, but it's almost never wise. |
| 14:54.56 | gigabytes | ok :D but kde 3.4 was avalible in sid some mounths after the release |
| 14:55.24 | wwallace_lap | may be he thinks hes windows |
| 14:55.38 | Guerin | gigabytes: 3.5 will be in sid just as soon as the kde maintainers think it's ready. |
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| 14:55.49 | cbr | 3.5 rc1 should be in debian too logically |
| 14:55.55 | Guerin | gigabytes: nobody can predict when that will be. |
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| 14:56.07 | Guerin | cbr: no, rcs and betas virtually never make it into debian |
| 14:56.16 | Guerin | cbr: certainly not for something so huge as kde |
| 14:56.45 | cbr | Guerin: when i once asked @ #debian-kde, they told me that the betas are not going in but rc is :roll: |
| 14:56.51 | cbr | dunno |
| 14:57.07 | Guerin | cbr: well, maybe they know more than me. |
| 14:57.19 | Guerin | not unlikely |
| 14:57.48 | amorphix | what is "VMware" |
| 14:57.55 | mut | O_O |
| 14:57.59 | Guerin | !fgi amorphix vmware |
| 14:58.02 | dpkg | amorphix: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=vmware |
| 14:58.10 | amorphix | thanks |
| 14:58.12 | Guerin | amorphix: don't be so fucking lazy |
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| 15:01.27 | zimnyx | i use menuconfig for configuration of kernel, i want to add "-k7" to kernel name, do i need to put "-k7" in dialog window or just "k7" ? |
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| 15:01.52 | gigabytes | "-k7" |
| 15:01.59 | gigabytes | zimnyx, also the dash |
| 15:02.20 | zimnyx | gigabytes: thanks |
| 15:02.26 | gigabytes | :) |
| 15:02.30 | Guerin | zimnyx: this is not editable in the kernel config |
| 15:02.40 | Guerin | zimnyx: man make-kpkg to find out how to do it |
| 15:02.50 | gigabytes | Guerin, yes it is |
| 15:03.03 | Guerin | gigabytes: the name? since when? |
| 15:03.17 | gigabytes | at least since 2.6 |
| 15:03.33 | Guerin | gigabytes: there's a separate file in the kernel tree you need to edit, which I can't call to mind |
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| 15:03.57 | gigabytes | the subversion string is in the main Makefile |
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| 15:04.11 | gigabytes | but in the menuconfig there is an option to modify it |
| 15:04.14 | Guerin | that's not the config, and make *config won't change it |
| 15:04.25 | Guerin | oh |
| 15:04.30 | Guerin | that must be new then |
| 15:04.35 | gigabytes | search it, you will find it :D |
| 15:04.38 | FabMatt | Hi does anybody know PVM? |
| 15:04.40 | Guerin | withdrawn pending investigation |
| 15:04.59 | Shadur | Guerin: Does it have an alibi? |
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| 15:05.11 | gigabytes | Guerin, I remembre that it was a new feature in one of the earliest 2.6 releses |
| 15:05.29 | Guerin | Shadur: the investigation will determine that |
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| 15:05.44 | jesusfish | how come when I try and update clamav-new on testing, I get an error that e2fsprogs needs to be removed? |
| 15:05.45 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 15:07.06 | elephantman | I want to install a new debian box on a P5AD2 Asus mobo...there is a problem width 2 devices driver : Marvell Yukon Onboard Ethernet & Asus PCI-E X600XT |
| 15:07.17 | zerowing | Hi everyone.. Can someone help me get a new eth device to work? |
| 15:07.22 | elephantman | Is there like a 'generic' driver that would make network available ? |
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| 15:07.44 | elephantman | Or do i have to find this specific card driver |
| 15:07.53 | jesusfish | elephantman: the yukons have a driver |
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| 15:08.16 | elephantman | jesusfish: but its not recognize during install process |
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| 15:08.29 | jesusfish | elephantman: which kernel? |
| 15:08.31 | elephantman | jesusfish: i have to manually install them after system |
| 15:08.38 | gigabytes | elephantman, i think the PCI-E X600XT isn't integrated, is it? |
| 15:08.47 | elephantman | gigabytes: right its not |
| 15:09.03 | FabMatt | hi, do you know what it means when I get execvp failed ? |
| 15:09.21 | elephantman | jesusfish: i don't know - i took the last .iso from debian.org. A light base install of 100mo |
| 15:09.28 | gigabytes | elephantman, you need to deal with X.org to make the video card work. if you want 3D acceleration you need the ATI drivers |
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| 15:09.36 | jesusfish | elephantman: it all depends on the kernel and installer you use |
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| 15:10.19 | elephantman | jesusfish: debian testing i386 netinst |
| 15:10.35 | gigabytes | elephantman, the marvell ethernet is supported by the kernel directly, you have only to load the right module |
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| 15:10.52 | gigabytes | elephantman, launch "uname -a" and read the kernel version |
| 15:11.00 | elephantman | gigabytes: ok but why my install cd doesn't recognize it first hand ? |
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| 15:11.21 | elephantman | gigabytes: yes but i didn't install the system yet...gonna do it now |
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| 15:11.53 | gigabytes | elephantman, so write "linux26" at the boot prompt instead of just press Enter |
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| 15:12.16 | elephantman | gigabytes: ok...sorry but what will that do ? |
| 15:12.38 | gigabytes | it launches the installer with a 2.6 kernel |
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| 15:12.45 | gigabytes | rather than a 2.4 |
| 15:13.14 | xnet | i havea folder that has permisions open to everyone but i can't even write to it as root. what should i change? |
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| 15:13.20 | gigabytes | elephantman, then maybe the installer can recognise you eth |
| 15:13.23 | elephantman | gigabytes: i am shure its a 2.6.x kernel on my install |
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| 15:14.13 | cahoot | xnet: corrupt filesystem? checked dmesg? |
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| 15:14.32 | gigabytes | elephantman, have you installed the system or didn't you? |
| 15:14.41 | elephantman | gigabytes: ok so if my eth card isn't recognized, i will have to try to load the module manually after install ? |
| 15:14.46 | elephantman | gigabytes: i didn't |
| 15:15.01 | elephantman | gigabytes: i stopped when i saw my eth card isn't recognizex |
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| 15:15.11 | xnet | i have not checked dmsg. it is a fat32 file system but usually i can write to it and always read from it. |
| 15:15.14 | gigabytes | elephantman, so what do you mean when you say "it's a 2.6.x kernel on my install" ?? |
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| 15:16.04 | server_newbie | I need some help as I am a newbie. I have installed iptables and downloaded gShield. I want to lock down my machine execpt for one port. I am at a loss as what to do next. |
| 15:16.06 | elephantman | gigabytes: cause i run thru the first install steps and i remember that when hitting enter it loaded a 2.6.x kernel |
| 15:16.20 | gigabytes | ok |
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| 15:16.41 | outlaw | someone german in here?deutsche hier? |
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| 15:17.08 | nkuttler | !de |
| 15:17.08 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 15:17.13 | elephantman | gigabytes: well thanx a lot - i gonna install it now |
| 15:17.18 | elephantman | jesusfish: thanx |
| 15:17.18 | outlaw | THX |
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| 15:17.31 | jesusfish | elephantman: np |
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| 15:22.11 | zimnyx | i've installed etch yesturday, sound is working, but it is OSS sound (oss modules loaded). Why not alsa? |
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| 15:23.48 | cahoot | zimnyx: if you use a 2.4 kernel you'll have to install alsa specifically |
| 15:24.01 | zimnyx | i got 2.6 |
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| 15:24.21 | cahoot | zimnyx: try to run alsaconf then |
| 15:24.36 | thingfish | even in sarge, when I install using 2.6 and Desktop Environment, alsa still has to be installed manually afterwards. |
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| 15:24.48 | parsonsd | cahoot: alsa is prebuilt into the 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:24.49 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 15:25.07 | amorphix | does anyone know what an "RF controller" is |
| 15:25.24 | guido_wrk | Hi, I'd like to have a look at the sources for the Xfree86 xserver. The debian pages offer two download choices, the original sources and the debian diffs. I don't know how to apply that patch, though. How do I do it? |
| 15:25.27 | Estes2 | amorphix, what's the context ? |
| 15:25.39 | cahoot | parsonsd: I believe the modules are there for use if you you choose to |
| 15:25.45 | amorphix | Estes2: it's showing on my lspci list |
| 15:26.13 | Estes2 | amorphix, then, i have no idea, sorry.... google ? |
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| 15:26.28 | loxley_ | amorphix: google can make wonders you know |
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| 15:27.03 | Estes2 | amorphix, http://shopping.kelkoo.co.uk/b/a/ss_wireless_rf_controller.html |
| 15:27.06 | Estes2 | blah |
| 15:27.15 | Estes2 | sooooo difficult to use google |
| 15:27.22 | amorphix | thanks |
| 15:27.37 | amorphix | im too lame to type |
| 15:28.16 | Estes2 | i see it |
| 15:28.35 | Estes2 | so how you manage typing it here and wasting more of my time and your time ? |
| 15:28.40 | amorphix | if I push my WiFi card into pcmcia slot and do lspci i see this: |
| 15:28.44 | amorphix | RF controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Am 1771 MBW [Alchemy] (rev 04) |
| 15:28.54 | amorphix | does that mean i can use this card in Linux? |
| 15:29.01 | Estes2 | so why did you even ask ? |
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| 15:29.07 | Estes2 | blah |
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| 15:29.17 | cahoot | Estes2: with all due respect - it's you who allow him to take your time |
| 15:29.19 | amorphix | I'm trying to find out info |
| 15:30.02 | amorphix | i dunno where to start :-/ |
| 15:30.31 | petemc | amorphix: google for that device + linux |
| 15:31.06 | zimnyx | cahoot: thanks |
| 15:31.10 | amorphix | i tried that pete but it didnt yield anything :-( |
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| 15:31.11 | cahoot | ok |
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| 15:31.47 | thingfish | darn it, we were bot free for a while, now they're back. |
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| 15:32.11 | amorphix | I think I found some info |
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| 15:33.14 | sPENKMAN | I have a ppp connection (ppp0), i want to see the speed witch it is connected with, how can i do that ? :+ |
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| 15:35.18 | nonoo | guten tag |
| 15:35.25 | lpb-oberon | moin |
| 15:35.33 | nonoo | kann ich aus eine DVD Version eine CD Version erstellen? |
| 15:35.47 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.52 | thingfish | !de |
| 15:35.52 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 15:35.56 | Estes2 | !german |
| 15:35.56 | nonoo | ich habe 2 Debian DVDs |
| 15:35.57 | dpkg | i heard german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 15:36.08 | nonoo | thank ypu |
| 15:36.12 | lpb-oberon | nonoo: you should be able to using taht jigdo thingie |
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| 15:36.45 | nonoo | what ist jigdo thingie? |
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| 15:37.01 | lpb-oberon | dpkg -i german_wordlist.deb |
| 15:37.13 | lpb-oberon | rofl:) |
| 15:37.15 | lpb-oberon | nice |
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| 15:37.38 | jesusfish | elephantman: np |
| 15:37.40 | amorphix | ndiswrapper = heavy duty |
| 15:37.41 | jesusfish | oops |
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| 15:38.15 | jesusfish | how come when I try and update clamav-new on testing, I get an error that e2fsprogs needs to be removed? |
| 15:38.18 | lpb-oberon | nonoo: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 15:38.18 | __naquad__ | hi everyone |
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| 15:38.32 | lpb-oberon | hi:) |
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| 15:39.32 | __naquad__ | people, where can I see my videocard model, only console available(remote machine)? |
| 15:39.46 | vladkao | __naquad__: lspci |
| 15:39.49 | vladkao | if it is a pci |
| 15:39.52 | __naquad__ | it's agp |
| 15:39.58 | thingfish | !tell jesusfish about e2fsprogs |
| 15:40.16 | amorphix | is it really necessary to compile source to use ndiswrapper? |
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| 15:41.05 | gigabytes | __naquad__, agp is pci actually |
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| 15:41.36 | macguyver | is there somoen who could help me for a second |
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| 15:41.55 | sPENKMAN | How can i find out on witch speed an interface is running? |
| 15:42.01 | macguyver | i have a problem with my network settings |
| 15:42.08 | __naquad__ | even so. gigabytes thnx :) I found it :) |
| 15:42.13 | petemc | sPENKMAN: dmesg, or ethtool |
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| 15:42.16 | dorto | how to find what what tty my usb bluetooth adapter is connected to? |
| 15:42.17 | sPENKMAN | macguyver just asl ;) |
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| 15:42.26 | macguyver | ok thanks |
| 15:42.26 | sPENKMAN | ty petemc :) |
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| 15:42.40 | dorto | p3nfsd says it should be rfcom00 sth; its not there in /dev |
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| 15:42.46 | vladkao | petemc: mii-tool does the job too ? |
| 15:43.01 | petemc | vladkao: if the card supports it, ethtool is a safer bet these days |
| 15:43.12 | vladkao | ah, ok |
| 15:43.16 | macguyver | do i need something like a client tool to see my ubuntu pc in a windows network |
| 15:43.32 | sPENKMAN | macguyver u need samba :) |
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| 15:43.37 | petemc | macguyver: you should be asking #ubuntu, but samba is the tool for windows networking |
| 15:43.37 | dorto | p3nfsd says -tty=ircomm0 for irDa and -tty=rfcomm0 for bluetooth |
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| 15:43.51 | macguyver | i have samba already running so i need a samba client on the pc |
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| 15:44.00 | macguyver | for the ubuntu pc |
| 15:44.10 | sPENKMAN | #ubuntu as petemc said ;) |
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| 15:44.34 | macguyver | thanks |
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| 15:45.13 | WE_R_ONE | lets say I get the kernel that final scratch released with there version 1.0 how do I port this kernel to debian and utilize its abilitys ? |
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| 15:45.53 | petemc | WE_R_ONE: you expect someone to answer that? |
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| 15:47.45 | Terminus | hello. does anybody know what would cause a lost interrupt on the hard drive controller? |
| 15:47.57 | bibe | hi all. is it easy to migrate a default sarge installation (using devfs) to udev? |
| 15:48.03 | jesusfish | thingfish: thx |
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| 15:48.12 | thingfish | jesusfish: no problem. |
| 15:48.15 | Terminus | bibe, yep. install a 2.6 kernel and install udev. :) |
| 15:48.40 | bibe | Terminus : nothing more? |
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| 15:49.04 | cahoot | bibe: reboot and prayers? |
| 15:49.12 | bibe | cahoot : :) |
| 15:49.15 | Terminus | bibe, nothing more, at least in my experience. hell, i don't even recompile my own kernel anymore, only on gentoo. :) |
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| 15:49.54 | bibe | Terminus : and in case of failure, will it be easy to switch back to devfs? |
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| 15:50.04 | cahoot | Terminus: scanners and such get picked up by default nowadays? |
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| 15:50.25 | sgeigerbot | Why isn't this enough to get a *totally* silent installation of autossh and the associated packages (including ssh)? "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get --reinstall install -y --force-yes autossh" |
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| 15:50.31 | Terminus | bibe, just retain your old kernel. |
| 15:50.37 | amorphix | hi |
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| 15:50.59 | Terminus | cahoot, dunno. never cared about that. i don't run exposed to the net anyway, and no services. |
| 15:51.34 | cahoot | Terminus: heh - scanner as in picture |
| 15:51.50 | sPENKMAN | petemc demesg give me a overview of the kernels buffer, so i see some packets and there destinations but not the speed of the interface, ethtool doesn't work for a ppp connection :P do u have an other option? |
| 15:52.14 | Terminus | cahoot, oh that. i don't have a scanner so i don't know. =D |
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| 15:53.02 | petemc | sPENKMAN: ermm, bing, perhaps |
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| 15:53.13 | macguyver | does anymone know the name of a samba client |
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| 15:53.34 | krowtoe | hello |
| 15:53.37 | bartek | hi.... How can I add an external driver module to the kernel? |
| 15:53.40 | jesusfish | what happens if I remove e2fsprogs? |
| 15:53.59 | stew | jesusfish: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 15:54.05 | bartek | for example alsa, or ipw2000 |
| 15:54.11 | jesusfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.26 | stew | !m-a bartek ipw2200 |
| 15:54.27 | dpkg | bartek: to compile and install ipw2200 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uanme -r) && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200 ; if this works echo ipw2200 >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 15:54.35 | stew | bartek: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 15:54.51 | Bac0n | hi... can someone recommend a good serverboard with sata .. |
| 15:54.56 | possie | is there a rubyonrails package for debian? |
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| 15:55.12 | TiMiDo | possie apt-cache search ruby |
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| 15:55.37 | possie | TiMiDo: that's a no then |
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| 15:55.45 | krowtoe | i removed eth1 (wasn't being used) from my desktop pc to put it in another older pc, but now eth0 doesn't work, what can i do? |
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| 15:56.12 | blondie | krowtoe: define "doesn't work" |
| 15:56.29 | stew | possie: apt-cache search ruby rails |
| 15:56.33 | stew | possie: thats a yes |
| 15:56.46 | stew | possie: oh, its not in stable though |
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| 15:56.50 | stew | !info rails testing |
| 15:56.55 | possie | stew: :-) |
| 15:56.59 | possie | stew: unstable? |
| 15:57.01 | stew | possie: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:57.03 | dpkg | rails: (MVC ruby based framework geared for web application development), section web, is optional. Version: 0.13.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1193 kB, Installed size: 9192 kB |
| 15:57.07 | krowtoe | blondie i don't have net there anymore :) |
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| 15:57.48 | krowtoe | blondie i even tried to change /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:58.16 | stew | krowtoe: does it show up when you "ifconfig" or "ifconfig -a"? |
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| 15:59.14 | stew | krowtoe: what about after "ifup eth0"? |
| 15:59.20 | krowtoe | stew well.. it does now |
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| 15:59.35 | blondie | krowtoe: does it show an IP address in ifconfig? |
| 16:00.24 | WE_R_ONE | I wonder why final scratch was built on kernel ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz |
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| 16:00.45 | krowtoe | blondie well.. right now it's showing a ipv6 ip |
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| 16:00.57 | honschu | Hi, is there a respority for eclipse+java-jdk to just add to sources.list ? |
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| 16:01.33 | TiMiDo | !tell honschu about javadeb |
| 16:01.37 | TiMiDo | !tell honschu about java |
| 16:01.38 | krowtoe | stew it tries to dhcpdiscover but fails |
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| 16:02.03 | blondie | krowtoe: are you sure you took the right card out? :) |
| 16:02.25 | blondie | do the LEDs come on at both ends? |
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| 16:03.08 | krowtoe | blondie i took the unused one (the other is onboard) which was by then eth0 |
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| 16:03.43 | bartek | If liked to install an external module in my kernel, would any new options appear in make menuconfig? |
| 16:04.05 | krowtoe | blondie yes, the leds are ok, and its not the cable either, i tested 2 cables in the oder pc and they're both fine |
| 16:04.25 | zimnyx | bartek: raczej nie |
| 16:05.01 | zimnyx | do i need package "udev" to have it working http://wiki.debian.org/USB ? |
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| 16:05.31 | bibe | I installed udev and rebooted, everything seems to work fine, only a couple of "devfs filesystem unknown" warnings on the console, but not available in dmesg output. How can I check if udev is working? |
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| 16:06.08 | stew | bibe: do you have a /dev/.static ? |
| 16:06.08 | krowtoe | well at least the NIC is recognised now |
| 16:06.25 | cahoot | bibe: pgrep udev? |
| 16:06.50 | krowtoe | maybe its just the ipv6 tunneling that is manglig things up |
| 16:07.11 | WE_R_ONE | is there a way to download an old kernel source like 2.4.18 and install it the debian way of installing a new kernel from binay sourcing? |
| 16:07.24 | bartek | zimnyx nie wiem jak to do konca dziala i zastanawiam sie, czy przekompilowanie jadra typu make menuconfig && make modules && make modules_install zachowa zewnetrzne modu³y, czy nie |
| 16:07.31 | stew | zimnyx: you don't need udev to use usb, if that is what you are asking, but you need udev if you want to ensure that a usb device always gets the same /dev entry regardless of whatelse has been plugged in |
| 16:07.45 | stew | !pl |
| 16:07.45 | dpkg | it has been said that pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 16:08.07 | stew | WE_R_ONE: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:08.31 | djp | is adviseable to use the nv driver or the nvidia driver under debian 3.1? which is the more stable driver? |
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| 16:09.07 | zimnyx | stew: thanks |
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| 16:09.41 | zimnyx | stew: does hotplug mount usb-disk automaticaly? |
| 16:09.42 | stew | djp: nv |
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| 16:10.54 | bibe | cahoot : pgrep udev returns udev PID. Bingo! |
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| 16:10.54 | stew | zimnyx: yes but in testing/unstable all the hotplug functionality has been incorporated into udev itself |
| 16:10.54 | djp | stew, will it mean forgoing games such as tux racer? if the nv driver is more stable (and i gather ethically better) then this is not a huge problem by the way... |
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| 16:11.23 | stew | djp: it would probably mean bad 3d performance, yes, however i've never tried an nvidia card |
| 16:11.27 | zimnyx | stew: thanks, i'll apt-get install udev |
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| 16:11.57 | bibe | stew , cahoot : thank you both |
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| 16:12.36 | djp | stew, thanks. |
| 16:12.49 | thingfish | The nv driver works fine in 2D, djp, but not in 3D (very sluggish). |
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| 16:13.16 | thingfish | I use the nvidia driver, have never had a problem with instability. |
| 16:13.37 | krowtoe | stew any ideas? :) |
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| 16:14.18 | djp | thingfish, i gather that the nv driver is the more stable? |
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| 16:14.39 | djp | oh sorry, thingfish, just read your last comment... |
| 16:14.41 | keir_ | all the items in my applications menu in gnome have disappeared (after inasalling a skype ubuntu package i think), im using unstable with gnome 2.10 |
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| 16:15.44 | keir_ | anybody know what could be wrong? |
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| 16:16.27 | krowtoe | keir_ that's ugly.. mixing debian and ubuntu packages, you should know better :D |
| 16:16.36 | thingfish | I bet...it has something to do with installing a ubuntu package. |
| 16:16.43 | keir_ | well |
| 16:16.47 | keir_ | i uninstalled it |
| 16:16.49 | keir_ | but no luckl |
| 16:16.58 | thingfish | which was not necessary, since Skype has generic debs at their website. |
| 16:17.05 | keir_ | and it aint my fault, the proper skype package is b0rked :P |
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| 16:17.16 | keir_ | it has a dependancy that cant be met |
| 16:17.20 | keir_ | in debian or ubuntu |
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| 16:17.28 | keir_ | so i have to use an alternate package |
| 16:17.33 | thingfish | what's the dependency, keir_? |
| 16:17.38 | sgeigerbot | Why isn't this enough to get a *totally* silent installation of autossh and the associated packages (including ssh)? "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get --reinstall install -y --force-yes autossh" |
| 16:17.41 | thingfish | just out of curiousity. |
| 16:17.59 | keir_ | thingfish, libqt someting |
| 16:18.05 | keir_ | cant remember |
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| 16:18.14 | sgeigerbot | libqt3c102-mt |
| 16:18.18 | keir_ | there are threads about it on the skype and ubuntu forums |
| 16:18.23 | keir_ | yeah - that sounds like it |
| 16:18.29 | sgeigerbot | keir_: That is it. |
| 16:18.40 | keir_ | yes |
| 16:19.30 | bartek | zimnyx: Jest jakies howto, w ktorym to jest opisane? Jesli nie w kernel-howto, bo to zaraz sprawdze |
| 16:20.00 | thingfish | man, it's been a long time since my two college semesters of polish. |
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| 16:20.29 | WE_R_ONE | does anyone have a way to take a tree of files and contruct an iso which is bootable once it is put into the cdrom? |
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| 16:20.58 | zimnyx | bartek: ja to wiem empirycznie |
| 16:21.23 | zimnyx | bartek: chyba musi tak byc, zeby byly zgodne ze soba |
| 16:21.32 | keir_ | so does anyone have any ideas on how to fix me menu? |
| 16:21.57 | zimnyx | bartek: poszukaj w Documentation/ w zrodlach kernela |
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| 16:23.51 | bartek | zimnyx dzieki |
| 16:23.57 | blondie | xota: wah? |
| 16:24.06 | yxa | is there a way to "telnet" udp ports to test them like we do with tcp? |
| 16:24.15 | xota | xota says hi! ;) i'm spanish and do a /ame ;) |
| 16:24.20 | xota | s/do/did |
| 16:24.23 | krowtoe | blondie he's saying hello |
| 16:24.24 | blondie | what |
| 16:24.29 | blondie | I see |
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| 16:25.37 | krowtoe | xota do you have any idea of what your nick means in brasilian portuguese? |
| 16:25.52 | xota | kromagg, no ;) what mean? |
| 16:26.14 | thingfish | what does it mean, krowtoe? |
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| 16:26.23 | thingfish | que quer dizer? |
| 16:26.25 | krowtoe | well pardon my french, it means cunt |
| 16:26.28 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:26.37 | stew | that's not french |
| 16:26.44 | krowtoe | stew err |
| 16:26.45 | thingfish | hehe stew |
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| 16:27.14 | krowtoe | stew "pardon my french" as in sorry for the kind of language |
| 16:27.32 | Vanak | how do u make uninstall ? |
| 16:27.32 | thingfish | we had braced ourselves, krowtoe. |
| 16:27.37 | Vanak | after u make install something? |
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| 16:27.48 | stew | Vanak: type this: "make uninistall" |
| 16:27.51 | xoz | !cunt |
| 16:27.51 | dpkg | it has been said that cunt is a pussy, or Completely Useless No-hope Twat. Can't Understand Normal Thinking, or at http://www.limmy.com/playthings/xylophone/ |
| 16:28.06 | Vanak | make uninstall not working |
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| 16:28.50 | valdyn_ | yxa: |
| 16:28.56 | valdyn_ | ops. ignore |
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| 16:29.23 | krowtoe | sooner or later this kind of thing ends up hapening to everybody |
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| 16:30.07 | krowtoe | there are so many languages that its hard not to end up cursing in a couple of them |
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| 16:30.31 | thingfish | that's for sure. my old college's name is KU. |
| 16:30.39 | krowtoe | rotflol |
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| 16:31.13 | sandman | Are the results of ldd relative to the root of the fs I'm running it from, or relative to the root of the fs the bin was compiled in? |
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| 16:31.35 | thingfish | yes, all the brasilians and portuguese loved wearing sweatshirts that said "asshole" on them. |
| 16:31.37 | krowtoe | thingfish i know a girl whose name is maria curte pilas |
| 16:31.43 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:31.48 | Vanak | how do u link php with microsoft sql on apache ? |
| 16:32.06 | thingfish | of course I'm sure it's really spelled with a "c". |
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| 16:32.27 | sandman | So when I compile firefox in /chroot/, and when I'm not chroot'd I run ldd /chroot/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin, and it says stuff like this: libexpat.so.1 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 (0x4138d000), that _really_ means it's linked to /chroot/usr/lib/libexpat.so.1, right? |
| 16:32.38 | krowtoe | thingfish are you brasilian? |
| 16:32.41 | valdyn_ | sandman: relative to the / you are running it from |
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| 16:33.02 | thingfish | krowtoe: no, I'm from the middle of the USA. |
| 16:33.05 | sandman | valdyn_: So if I run firefox outside the chroot it was compiled in, it will probably not work? |
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| 16:33.20 | valdyn_ | sandman: probably |
| 16:33.29 | WE_R_ONE | what program can burn utlize the .mds for burning the .mfd file |
| 16:33.34 | xoz | sandman: but with loadable libs, it may |
| 16:33.34 | prock | how can I pass extended options to tar? tar czvf --no-recursion tries to tar up the file --no-recursion |
| 16:33.49 | sandman | valdyn_: I find that running vncserver from within a chroot and connecting to it on loopback is better than trying to spawn chroot'd apps ina non-chroot'd X session |
| 16:33.50 | krowtoe | thingfish how come you ended up learning portuguese? |
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| 16:34.37 | thingfish | krowtoe: I just wanted to learn it. I used to listen to a brasilian jazz singer (Flora Purim) who sang in portuguese. |
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| 16:34.48 | valdyn_ | sandman: better how? easier to get running? vnc is crippling your display performance however |
| 16:34.51 | peaceyall | hi |
| 16:34.52 | thingfish | that's what first attracted me to it. |
| 16:35.33 | xoz | sandman: you can always merge authority between chroot and non-chroot |
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| 16:35.44 | thingfish | krowtoe: and while in college, I made friends with a lot of brasilians and portuguese. |
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| 16:35.57 | krowtoe | thingfish yeah, she's cool, i know her cause i like jazz too and jazz in portuguese isn't very common |
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| 16:36.08 | thingfish | cool, krowtoe. |
| 16:36.31 | peaceyall | can someone help me ? When i try to log in to kde , gnome or anything i get "There was an error trying to create a child process for this terminal" and behind it a terminal, Whats wrong?? |
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| 16:37.16 | peaceyall | anyone know the problem? |
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| 16:37.27 | cees | can someone help me? I need Kylix in Debian-ppc Sid |
| 16:37.28 | valdyn_ | peaceyall: what did you do to get this fuckup? |
| 16:37.48 | peaceyall | i didnt do nothin valdyn_ , i just installed this fresh |
| 16:37.53 | peaceyall | debian sid |
| 16:37.56 | xoz | peaceyall: probably your bash? |
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| 16:38.04 | valdyn_ | !si |
| 16:38.04 | dpkg | it has been said that si is self-injury |
| 16:38.04 | valdyn_ | !sid |
| 16:38.04 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 16:38.25 | thingfish | !tell Shkodrani about install debian |
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| 16:38.34 | peaceyall | arg.. |
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| 16:38.39 | peaceyall | can u help me or no |
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| 16:38.51 | xoz | peaceyall: we need info... |
| 16:38.56 | valdyn_ | peaceyall: ls -l /dev/pts/ |
| 16:38.56 | peaceyall | what kind |
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| 16:39.00 | peaceyall | ok |
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| 16:39.03 | peaceyall | just a sec |
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| 16:39.26 | Shkodrani | thingfish Which version of debian is it? |
| 16:39.32 | peaceyall | valdyn_ , it sas "total 0" |
| 16:39.36 | joe_ | how can i make it so root can open the display? |
| 16:39.47 | thingfish | Shkodrani: debian-installer installs sarge. |
| 16:39.48 | valdyn_ | peaceyall: df -a | grep pts |
| 16:39.55 | cees | can someone help me about Kylix in debian ppc unstable |
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| 16:40.10 | TheCount | grep pts /proc/mounts .. |
| 16:40.12 | xoz | joe_: use sudo |
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| 16:40.18 | krowtoe | thingfish have you ever been to brasil or portugal? |
| 16:40.20 | thingfish | Shkodrani: Sarge is the current stable release. |
| 16:40.24 | fbi | cees: #debianppc can. |
| 16:40.24 | thingfish | krowtoe: no, not yet. |
| 16:40.33 | Shkodrani | :) thingfish thanks |
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| 16:40.46 | thingfish | Shkodrani: you're welcome. |
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| 16:40.52 | peaceyall | valdyn_ , it sas: "devpts 0 0 0 0 - /dev/pts |
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| 16:40.55 | WE_R_ONE | works wonders:) |
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| 16:41.06 | xoz | joe_: or use xauth to merge authority of user to the root |
| 16:41.09 | cees | fbi r'u shure? apt don't get |
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| 16:41.31 | valdyn_ | peaceyall: looks good, i have no idea then |
| 16:41.35 | peaceyall | :/ |
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| 16:41.47 | fbi | cees: am i sure about what. you asked a question, i told you where to go. i'm not "sure" about anything. |
| 16:41.47 | peaceyall | ill try to remove xorg and get cfree86 |
| 16:41.52 | peaceyall | maybe thatll work |
| 16:42.14 | xoz | cfree86? |
| 16:42.20 | peaceyall | xfree86* |
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| 16:42.27 | fbi | obviously they meant xfree86 |
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| 16:42.40 | xoz | peaceyall: are you using debian stock kernel? |
| 16:42.59 | krowtoe | obvious typo .. the c is right next to the x |
| 16:43.06 | cees | fbi ok, thanks :-) |
| 16:43.07 | peaceyall | xoz , dont know |
| 16:43.12 | valdyn_ | peaceyall: if you want to do something blindly without knowing if or what it will do, dont just install xfree86, install SARGE |
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| 16:43.42 | valdyn_ | Shkodrani: you read the faq and the install guide? |
| 16:43.44 | thingfish | Shkodrani: do you have a fast internet connection? If so, just get the netinstall CD. |
| 16:44.06 | Shkodrani | ok |
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| 16:44.12 | xoz | peaceyall: uname -a ? |
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| 16:44.32 | thingfish | Shkodrani: the netinstall CD will install a base system, then reboot, and will then allow you to specify http or ftp for the rest of the install. |
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| 16:44.56 | thingfish | or other sources too, of course. |
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| 16:45.20 | WE_R_ONE | Unable to find cdrdao executable |
| 16:45.24 | WE_R_ONE | what does this mean? |
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| 16:45.34 | thingfish | it means apt-get install cdrdao. |
| 16:45.38 | streuner | WE_R_ONE: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 16:45.45 | cees | someone help me? pbbuttonsd dont works fine. The Ibook sleeps very soon |
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| 16:46.36 | WE_R_ONE | ii libc6 2.3.5-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 16:46.52 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.52 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.57 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.57 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:47.21 | streuner | hm, and you have cdrdao installed? |
| 16:47.35 | zimnyx | i'm trying to create udev rule. devinfo -a -p /sys/block/sda/sda1 prints me sections "usb" "scsi" "...". Does udev matches rule in every section separately? |
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| 16:47.43 | WE_R_ONE | installing now |
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| 16:47.52 | streuner | ok |
| 16:48.08 | zimnyx | Or udev says: yeah.. i matched KERNEL in this section, MODEL in that section.. ? |
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| 16:48.17 | WE_R_ONE | installed and it seems k3b boots up perfectly |
| 16:48.18 | streuner | WE_R_ONE: show us your sources.list in the paster bot (/msg dpkg paster), btw. |
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| 16:48.38 | WE_R_ONE | oh my sources |
| 16:48.41 | WE_R_ONE | theya re crazy |
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| 16:49.13 | WE_R_ONE | but if you insist |
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| 16:50.08 | mhall | g'day. Which of the Flash reimplementation plugins works the best in Firefox? The official plugin is so god damn fucking buggy that it gets stuck in gettimeofday() infinite loops and locks my browser. |
| 16:50.22 | mhall | I've had it with this non-free worthless shit browser plugin. |
| 16:50.33 | ansong | i've got a system that won't keep its static ip address. it seems like 5 minutes after i set it, dhclient runs and resets it. what idiotically simple thing am i missing? anyone know? |
| 16:50.52 | WE_R_ONE | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1079 |
| 16:50.55 | mhall | ansong: Please have a look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:51.00 | mhall | ansong: and man interfaces |
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| 16:51.23 | peaceyall | bah |
| 16:51.27 | xoz | ansong: edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 16:51.33 | peaceyall | hmm |
| 16:51.39 | peaceyall | if i do startx , it worx just fine |
| 16:52.09 | ansong | mhall, thats what i have set. it works like a charm in my laptop: i've got /etc/network/interfaces-dhcp and /etc/network/interfaces-home-static and /etc/network/interfaces-work-static, etc |
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| 16:52.23 | streuner | WE_R_ONE: well, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:52.36 | xoz | ansong: maybe you should try switchconf package |
| 16:52.37 | mhall | ansong: hmm, that's bizarre |
| 16:52.51 | xoz | !info switchconf |
| 16:52.53 | mhall | ansong: you might be having the two systems configured differently |
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| 16:53.01 | mhall | ansong: can you sdiff the configuration files |
| 16:53.01 | dpkg | switchconf: (switch between system configuration sets), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
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| 16:53.12 | streuner | WE_R_ONE: man sources.list and delete all lines with 'testing, etch, sarge, stable' - you are running unstable/sid, btw now. |
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| 16:53.52 | ansong | mhall, you mean the dhclient.conf? |
| 16:54.01 | ansong | xoz, i'm reading the manpage for that now... |
| 16:54.41 | mhall | ansong: well that and the interfaces files |
| 16:54.45 | xoz | ansong: dhclient.conf can be configure to use a fixed address |
| 16:54.52 | xoz | *configured |
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| 16:57.32 | thingfish | darnit, the Same Gnome game in etch has prettier balls. |
| 16:57.43 | thingfish | than the one in sarge, I mean. |
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| 16:58.19 | ansong | interestingly, everything in both dhclient.conf's is commented out. and there are differences besides the laptop/desktop bit: laptop is running etch & desktop is running sarge. the desktop will likely be turned into a dhcp / dns / cifs server. (this is not an auspicious start to my learning linux servers) |
| 16:58.26 | streuner | WE_R_ONE: fucking hell! delete the line with 'experimental' |
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| 16:58.59 | ansong | xoz, do you mean dhclient can be configured to request a specific address instead of whatever's available? |
| 16:59.20 | xoz | ansong: yep. |
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| 17:00.19 | xoz | ansong: or you can configure dhcp server to assign a fix address based on the client's mac address. |
| 17:00.27 | WE_R_ONE | streuner, why is that? |
| 17:00.42 | ansong | but my dhcp server won't allocate anything outside its scope. ahh, that would be helpful |
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| 17:01.16 | streuner | WE_R_ONE: any idea what experimental is? |
| 17:01.22 | streuner | !experimental |
| 17:01.22 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 17:01.29 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: he's trying to save you from getting into a mess. Or more of one. |
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| 17:01.39 | WE_R_ONE | a metaphor for life? |
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| 17:02.04 | jeanjacques | i'm going made with phpmyadmin |
| 17:02.05 | lkthomas | guys |
| 17:02.06 | lkthomas | http://zdnet.zdnet.co.uk/software/os/0,39024180,39235916,00.htm |
| 17:02.09 | lkthomas | take a look |
| 17:02.15 | xoz | ansong: host passacaglia { hardware ethernet 08:00:1F:14:10:D0; fixed-address 10.0.0.1; } |
| 17:02.42 | ansong | thanks for the help mhall and xoz, especially that last bit :) |
| 17:02.42 | mhall | Which of the Flash reimplementation plugins works the best in Firefox? The official plugin is so god damn fucking buggy that it gets stuck in gettimeofday() infinite loops and locks up Firefox. I've had it with this non-free worthless shit browser plugin. |
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| 17:03.04 | xoz | ansong: /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf has some examples. no need for long documentation to understand it |
| 17:03.17 | streuner | WE_R_ONE: experimental packages are those packages which aren't even stable enough for UNSTABLE... |
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| 17:03.31 | jeanjacques | i've made a apt-get remove --purge and afterward a apt-get install phpmyadmin. when i try to open a php file firefox is asking what to do with this file....apparently apache is not serving php files but everything is fine in the httpd.conf HELP !!! |
| 17:03.36 | mhall | ansong: where did you find the answer |
| 17:03.39 | WE_R_ONE | issue with mounting cdrom http://channels.debian.net/paste/1080 |
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| 17:04.12 | xoz | jeanjacques: make sure the php module is commented out in the apache configuration. |
| 17:04.22 | jeanjacques | xoz: yes this is ok |
| 17:04.46 | xoz | jeanjacques: restart? |
| 17:04.51 | valdyn_ | WE_R_ONE: what is on that cdrom? |
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| 17:05.00 | jeanjacques | xoz: already done... |
| 17:05.11 | jeanjacques | xoz: i've made an apachectl restart |
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| 17:05.50 | xoz | jeanjacques: and commented out AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 17:06.01 | streuner | WE_R_ONE: what happens if you using another CD? |
| 17:06.10 | WE_R_ONE | let me check new cd |
| 17:06.11 | jeanjacques | xoz: yes this is ok too....;( |
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| 17:06.35 | WE_R_ONE | streuner, other cdrom works |
| 17:06.39 | Rawplayer | re |
| 17:06.44 | WE_R_ONE | valdyn_, quake |
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| 17:06.57 | streuner | WE_R_ONE: other CDROM or CD? |
| 17:07.04 | WE_R_ONE | other cd |
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| 17:07.04 | valdyn_ | WE_R_ONE: is that a cdrw? |
| 17:07.04 | xoz | jeanjacques: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 17:07.14 | jeanjacques | xoz: yes LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
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| 17:07.22 | jeanjacques | xoz: no ### |
| 17:07.34 | humboldt | is openoffice2 backport already available somewhere for sarge? |
| 17:07.35 | jeanjacques | this is just crazy |
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| 17:07.40 | valdyn_ | somehow i doubt that quake is on that cd |
| 17:07.48 | xoz | jeanjacques: check the log file in /var/log/apache/error.log.1 |
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| 17:08.05 | xoz | *error.log |
| 17:08.08 | humboldt | actually is there an official repository for backports |
| 17:08.15 | valdyn_ | humboldt: no |
| 17:08.26 | humboldt | what about aloith |
| 17:08.43 | antgel | litage: ping |
| 17:08.51 | valdyn_ | humboldt: why dont you read what alioth is on http://alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:08.51 | WE_R_ONE | valdyn_, yes |
| 17:09.12 | streuner | WE_R_ONE: btw, mount /cdrom should work too, if its in /etc/fstab... |
| 17:09.16 | valdyn_ | WE_R_ONE: your cdrom drive probably cannot read cdrw or your quake cd is broken |
| 17:09.18 | jeanjacques | xoz: i have nothing inside my logs |
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| 17:10.22 | WE_R_ONE | how do I extract a .bin file? |
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| 17:10.39 | valdyn_ | WE_R_ONE: you dont |
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| 17:10.50 | xoz | jeanjacques: are you sure you have /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so? |
| 17:11.14 | valdyn_ | WE_R_ONE: .bin is quite meaningless, some .bin files are installers and meant to be run |
| 17:11.14 | jeanjacques | xoz: yes i an really sure, i've just checked one more time |
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| 17:11.48 | xoz | jeanjacques: check if libphp4.so exists in that location |
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| 17:12.16 | rana | hi |
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| 17:12.51 | xoz | jeanjacques: i am assuming you are using apache, not apache2 |
| 17:13.02 | WE_R_ONE | what type of filesystem would a .bin burn to a cd have? |
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| 17:13.39 | jeanjacques | xoz: yes i'm using apache 1.3 |
| 17:14.16 | valdyn_ | WE_R_ONE: you have the cue file too? |
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| 17:14.47 | xoz | jeanjacques: is ErrorLog /var/log/apache/error.log commented out in apache.conf? |
| 17:15.04 | xoz | jeanjacques: i meant httpd.conf |
| 17:15.14 | WE_R_ONE | valdyn_, yes |
| 17:15.16 | valdyn_ | !cue |
| 17:15.21 | valdyn_ | WE_R_ONE: cdrdao then |
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| 17:15.45 | valdyn_ | WE_R_ONE: oi mean, use cdrdao to burn that, it could contain anything though or any filesystem |
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| 17:16.18 | jeanjacques | xoz: the error.log is not commented inside the httpd.conf |
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| 17:16.44 | xoz | jeanjacques: so you must have some info in the /var/log/apache/ |
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| 17:16.46 | KerPlunk | How can I see a list of services that start with my computer...like vsftpd/apache/ntpd etc...and turn them on/off? |
| 17:17.20 | thingfish | KerPlunk: use lsmod to see them, sysvconfig to make changes. |
| 17:17.20 | xoz | jeanjacques: like access.log, error.log |
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| 17:17.37 | jeanjacques | xoz: yes i have these files |
| 17:17.39 | KerPlunk | thingfish: Isn't lsmod for seeing modules in the kernel? |
| 17:17.56 | xoz | jeanjacques: any useful info? |
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| 17:18.02 | coax | Hey... I need to make my mailserver (postfix) to mail as domain:gmail.com, is'nt there a file where i have to set that domain for my user?? |
| 17:18.22 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: look in /etc/rcN.d/* where N is the runlevel you are using |
| 17:18.27 | AlienX | what is debian's tool to configure X (xorg)? I'm drawing a blank |
| 17:18.35 | valdyn_ | !drxx AlienX |
| 17:18.37 | dpkg | AlienX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 17:18.38 | thingfish | KerPlunk: sure, but I personally can't think of any other way to view "services". |
| 17:18.45 | KerPlunk | AlienX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 17:18.51 | KerPlunk | AlienX: or vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 17:19.00 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: also /etc/inittab and /etc/inetd.conf |
| 17:19.01 | AlienX | valdyn_ and KerPlunk thanks! |
| 17:19.06 | tuv | what is the best way to install eclipse on debian/testing |
| 17:19.14 | KerPlunk | 4 different places for services |
| 17:19.14 | AlienX | KerPlunk, heh, i'd write it by hand but it'll probably take me an hour |
| 17:19.20 | jeanjacques | xoz: nope Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-16 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 17:19.23 | jeanjacques | [Fri Nov |
| 17:19.25 | KerPlunk | Isn't there like one cli program that manages all of them? |
| 17:19.36 | jeanjacques | ls |
| 17:19.39 | jeanjacques | oups |
| 17:19.43 | xoz | jeanjacques: try apt-get install --reinstall libapache-mod-php4 |
| 17:19.44 | thingfish | yes, KerPlunk, I don't think there's any debian equivalent, say, to fedora's system-config-services. |
| 17:19.55 | KerPlunk | k |
| 17:20.07 | KerPlunk | That is gui though..I don't want gui. |
| 17:20.12 | KerPlunk | I just don't want 4 files either. |
| 17:20.14 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: the /etc/init.d dir normally has the startup files for any package that is installed and needs setup at boot time |
| 17:20.19 | valdyn_ | KerPlunk: you could use gnome-system-tools |
| 17:20.30 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: the /etc/rcN.d/* files are linked to /etc/init.d/* files normally |
| 17:20.33 | valdyn_ | KerPlunk: but your shell can manage this better |
| 17:20.52 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: but just because it's installed doesn't mean it is actually running |
| 17:21.05 | thingfish | gnome's Services Admin is broken in sarge, though, I believe. |
| 17:21.10 | tuv | what is the best way to install eclipse on debian/testing? |
| 17:21.17 | jeanjacques | xoz wow i can't believe it it was a trouble with firefox... |
| 17:21.27 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: some services can run either as a daemon or as an inetd process |
| 17:21.33 | valdyn_ | tuv: to use the eclipse installer |
| 17:21.41 | _Takeda_ | how to deviate an IP of proxy? |
| 17:21.51 | jeanjacques | xoz: thank you, you saved the life of my computer |
| 17:21.55 | valdyn_ | _Takeda_: deviate off what? |
| 17:22.05 | xoz | jeanjacques: what was the problem? |
| 17:22.31 | jeanjacques | xoz: i don't know on my laptop mac os X tiger with firefox it doesn't work |
| 17:22.33 | tuv | valdyn_: eclipse installer? is this something new? as far as i know eclipse is distributed in zip files |
| 17:22.47 | jeanjacques | xoz: but with an Imac with firefox it's working... |
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| 17:23.04 | valdyn_ | tuv: oh, i probably remember that wrongly then. just unpack and run it.. |
| 17:23.11 | feboO | hi |
| 17:23.18 | WE_R_ONE | how easy can I setup a filesharing network on a LAN between my machine and my friends xp machine? |
| 17:23.26 | valdyn_ | tuv: there's no debian packages in sarge or testing for eclipse3 |
| 17:23.35 | xoz | jeanjacques: seems we are looking a the wrong angle. apache is working ok, then. |
| 17:23.40 | tuv | valdyn_: that is what i'm trying to avoid.. i'm looking for debian packages. there are some in unstable |
| 17:23.42 | KerPlunk | Thumper_: I can see the daemons by just doing ps aux right? |
| 17:23.49 | jeanjacques | xoz: yep it's working now |
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| 17:23.50 | KerPlunk | But if it's running as an inetd process I won't see it in ps aux? |
| 17:23.56 | thingfish | setting up a mixed windows/linux network is fairly easy, WE_R_ONE. |
| 17:23.57 | valdyn_ | tuv: nothing wrong with using the zip files |
| 17:24.05 | feboO | anyone know some stuff about trac & subversion |
| 17:24.09 | thingfish | I mean, like I don't even have to do anything. |
| 17:24.12 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: if they are started in your current runlevel - yes |
| 17:24.23 | KerPlunk | Thumper_: My run level is 2 |
| 17:24.34 | WE_R_ONE | thingfish, how do I access his system then and download files |
| 17:24.36 | tuv | valdyn_: it's just a little annoying.. too many files everytime you want to upgrade |
| 17:24.39 | valdyn_ | tuv: using unstable packages though is somewhat dangerous, you could try backporting those, but eclipse is huge and i have no idea if it would work at all |
| 17:24.41 | corfe | my debian doesn't show Chinese / foreign language filenames well. I can type Chinese using SCIM and use it in all my documents, but in nautilus / xterm / regular console, all filenames with Chinese characters show as question marks |
| 17:24.49 | corfe | does anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 17:24.51 | _Takeda_ | valdyn_: well, I have a DMZ with a server web, have that to deviate the server web not to pass for proxy. INTERNAL_web<---proxy<---INTER_LAN |
| 17:24.52 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: whatever is in /etc/rc2.d/* is set up for run level 2 |
| 17:25.23 | valdyn_ | _Takeda_: i cant parse this, maybe try a debian channel for your native language |
| 17:25.26 | KerPlunk | Thumper_: How can I tell what runlevel I am? |
| 17:25.26 | corfe | I've installing m17n-env, and again I can see Chinese in graphical programs besides when looking at filenames, so I have the right graphical fonts installed at least |
| 17:25.28 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: did you supply the correct info during install? If so, it should be merely a matter of doing Applications>Network Servers and browsing to where you want. |
| 17:25.47 | tuv | valdyn_: are eclipse packages in unstable complete? |
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| 17:26.02 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: ps ax | grep init |
| 17:26.04 | valdyn_ | tuv: i dont really use it, but i installed it and it seemed to work fine |
| 17:26.05 | KerPlunk | Thumper_: Do I just delete the files of services I don't want to run in /etc/rc2.d? |
| 17:26.28 | KerPlunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.30 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: active run level is in [] like init [5] |
| 17:26.35 | thingfish | at least that's how it works in my network, WE_R_ONE - roommate's computer dishes out dhcp and has shared internet connection. |
| 17:27.00 | valdyn_ | KerPlunk: thats not a good solution, just remove the package |
| 17:27.12 | valdyn_ | KerPlunk: every upgrade would restore those symlink(s) |
| 17:27.15 | WE_R_ONE | thingfish, what should I install to get network servers and browsing |
| 17:27.19 | KerPlunk | valdyn_: I don't want to remove it though. |
| 17:27.19 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: no don't just delete it |
| 17:27.23 | KerPlunk | valdyn_: I just don't want it to start. |
| 17:27.26 | KerPlunk | on boot |
| 17:27.31 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: you normally start servers with files named S* and stop them with K* |
| 17:27.34 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: you'll need samba |
| 17:27.37 | valdyn_ | KerPlunk: you could rename /etc/init.d/whatever |
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| 17:27.46 | KerPlunk | s for start, k for kill? |
| 17:27.47 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: if you don't want it running you want a K* file for that server in /etc/rc2.d/* |
| 17:27.47 | valdyn_ | KerPlunk: that wont be messed when you upgrade |
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| 17:28.04 | KerPlunk | valdyn_: That seems silly...I have to fool my system to have services not startup on boot? |
| 17:28.16 | jazzmanss | I haven't been able to find a batch mp3 encoder script that will take a bunch of wavs, in /home/dog/foo for example, and batch encode them all to mp3's. any suggestions? |
| 17:28.16 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: or if you want the real easy way to install it, open a terminal, su to root, and do tasksel and choose File Server. |
| 17:28.22 | Thumper_ | KerPlunk: you can use update-rc.d to tweak files in the run levels |
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| 17:29.35 | KerPlunk | thanks Thumper_ |
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| 17:30.32 | djp | is it possible to move launchers around in the applications panel. i want to move a launcher that is currently under applications/debian menu/games/card... to applications/games... |
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| 17:31.24 | jkern | jazzmanss, would you like to write such a script yourself? |
| 17:31.42 | WE_R_ONE | what if my router gets the DHCP information then I am behind my router |
| 17:31.49 | WE_R_ONE | do I get router info or the DHCP info ? |
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| 17:32.13 | KerPlunk | jazzmanss: What program to you use to convert wav to mp3? |
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| 17:33.03 | jazzmanss | jkern, I'm not that knowledgable with command line. KerPlunk, I'd rather use lame, but every peice of software I can find is set up to pull off a cd then encode, I've got a TB of wavs already on hdd I want to encode. |
| 17:33.08 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: when installing, did network autoconfiguration with dhcp succeed? |
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| 17:33.46 | WE_R_ONE | thingfish, are samba is installed how do I brown the other filesystems on the network? |
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| 17:33.52 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: if so, just install samba and give it a try. |
| 17:33.57 | jcurry | i don't have a /dev/usb directory, but i am running 2.6 on the latest sid, with udev/hotplug |
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| 17:34.01 | jeanjacques | bye |
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| 17:34.12 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: you in sarge, or etch? |
| 17:34.12 | KerPlunk | jcurry: It's /dev/sda1 |
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| 17:34.56 | KerPlunk | jazzmanss: What would your command look like to convert a wav to mp3? |
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| 17:35.03 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: In sarge, using gnome, it's easy: Applications>Network Servers>foo |
| 17:35.08 | jcurry | KerPlunk, for a usb printer? |
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| 17:35.19 | jcurry | KerPlunk, :) |
| 17:35.22 | jazzmanss | KerPlunk, I don't know, I'm not knowledgable with any command line using lame. |
| 17:35.32 | jkern | jazzmanss, I don't know about lame but, for example you could do " for w in $(ls /home/dog/foo) ; do lame $e ;done |
| 17:35.47 | froze | This is probably a simple (dumb) question but, How do I get sendmail to use the hostname instead of the canonical DNS name as the originating domain? |
| 17:36.09 | jkern | jazzmanss, ooops. should be " lame $w " there |
| 17:36.30 | KerPlunk | jazzmanss: dir2ogg - converts mp3, m4a, and wav files into ogg-vorbis format |
| 17:36.37 | KerPlunk | jazzmanss: apt-get install dir2ogg |
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| 17:36.49 | thingfish | bonsoir, keikoz |
| 17:36.53 | WE_R_ONE | thingfish, I am using unstable |
| 17:36.54 | jazzmanss | I want mp3, ogg isn't widely enough supported yet. |
| 17:36.55 | keikoz | :) |
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| 17:37.06 | cryndes_ | hi,anyone installed debian on a acer extensa 4100? |
| 17:37.13 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: then it would be Places>Network Servers>etc |
| 17:37.24 | thingfish | for gnome 2.10, that is. |
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| 17:37.29 | Gnea | mp3 is a weak format. |
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| 17:38.06 | Gnea | jazzmanss: ogg is widely supported in debian and other unicies. heck, it'll even play in winamp. |
| 17:38.08 | jcurry | i don't have a /dev/usb directory, but i am running 2.6.14 on the latest sid, with udev/hotplug...i have a usb printer, but i don't know how to access it |
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| 17:38.25 | streuner | cryndes: if its a laptop - /msg dpkg laptop |
| 17:38.36 | jazzmanss | ipod Gnea, portable cd players, car cd players, etc etc etc. |
| 17:38.53 | TheCount | Gnea: .. mobile phones .. |
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| 17:38.59 | rovragge | is wine broken in unstable? |
| 17:39.01 | streuner | cryndes: What doesn't work? |
| 17:39.05 | rovragge | libwine.so.1 cannot be found... |
| 17:39.14 | stew | rovragge: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:39.15 | KerPlunk | jazzmanss: If you use dir2ogg the command is just "dir2ogg -w directory1 directory2 directory3" |
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| 17:39.25 | KerPlunk | jazzmanss: You can list as many directories as you want. |
| 17:39.28 | cryndes_ | streuner: the ide controler,acpi.. wireless lan... ;) |
| 17:39.28 | zimnyx | Does udev provides ability to run given script when device is being connected? if so what is option for this? (like EXEC="myscript.sh") |
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| 17:40.00 | stew | zimnyx: what version of udev are you running? |
| 17:40.33 | zimnyx | stew: 0.071 |
| 17:40.46 | zimnyx | newest in etch |
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| 17:41.20 | zimnyx | stew: ah ok, i was reading docs for 0.6 |
| 17:41.24 | jazzmanss | I want MP3, not ogg. I can batch encode ogg, but I need mp3 |
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| 17:41.59 | stew | zimnyx: i *think* it can, the unstable version definately can |
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| 17:42.54 | zimnyx | stew: do you know where can i find docs for 0.7 ? |
| 17:43.09 | stew | zimnyx: /usr/share/doc/udev |
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| 17:44.38 | zimnyx | stew: docs in there are for 0.6 ! |
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| 17:44.42 | WE_R_ONE | how do I view the network and set it up once samba is installed? |
| 17:44.44 | Livingroom | Hello everybody |
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| 17:44.45 | Livingroom | can you tell me, will an addon SATA-150 PCI card be _slower_ than onboard(built in to motherboard) sata-150 would be? |
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| 17:45.06 | antgel | Livingroom: doubt it |
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| 17:45.13 | zimnyx | WE_R_ONE: smbtree |
| 17:45.26 | antgel | sanoj_away: ping |
| 17:45.26 | TheCount | Livingroom: most likely, and it would slow down your system as well, theoretically. but you shouldn't be able to notice it. |
| 17:45.31 | zimnyx | WE_R_ONE: you can mount samba sharer man smbmount |
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| 17:48.05 | ansong | is there dpkg info for the apt-keys problem? |
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| 17:48.50 | jair | lo guys, good morning ! |
| 17:48.52 | zimnyx | ansong: yes |
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| 17:49.10 | zimnyx | ansong: warnings when apt-get update ? |
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| 17:49.55 | ansong | zimnyx, yeah i've tried apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg with no luck |
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| 17:50.22 | jair | I am start learning IP tables, but I need as an emergency a firewall Linux box, what can you guys recommend me?? I have heard about: smoothwall, IP cop, Monowall.. |
| 17:50.25 | zimnyx | ansong: what repository gives you warnings? |
| 17:50.36 | jair | what do you guys recommend me? |
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| 17:51.02 | lestest | jair: go on with iptables, it is easy |
| 17:51.12 | lestest | basic settings are easy to do |
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| 17:51.40 | stew | zimnyx: file a wishlist bug against udev |
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| 17:52.03 | victim | how do I keep my server from being used as a Proxy for an idle scan? |
| 17:52.16 | jair | lestest, yes, but I need IDS, and I would like to have a squid proxy server too. |
| 17:52.26 | nse | Hello everybody! XMMS is not playing my Audio CDs. The track seem to be playing but no sound come out, volume is OK (I supose) and I have an audio cd plugin enable. I'm using ALSA, Is there anything I can do? |
| 17:52.26 | xoz | jair: guarddog or guidedog |
| 17:52.31 | joe_ | i upgraded the kernel to 2.6.8-2-386 but when I try to use the old one some apps like aumix don't work... will I need to install Debian again? |
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| 17:52.50 | jair | lestest, and i could not find a tutorial that fits better with my network |
| 17:53.05 | jair | xoz, it is that a unix-linux base? |
| 17:53.08 | Makadamia | Deux blondes discutent: " Dis, tu as revu Nathalie depuis tout ce temps? " " Oh.. Tu ne savais pas? Elle est morte.. " " Ah bien tant mieux... J'ai cru qu'elle était fâchée avec moi! |
| 17:53.08 | Makadamia | Comment on fait pour savoir si une blonde a fait des biscuits aux pepites de chocolat ? Il reste des écailles de smarties sur le comptoir. |
| 17:53.08 | Makadamia | Une blonde se promène et aperçoit une pelure de banane par terre, elle dit " Ah non, je vais encore tomber!" |
| 17:53.09 | Makadamia | Qu'est- ce que vous obtenez quand vous offrez un franc à une blonde pour ses pensées ? - De la monnaie |
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| 17:53.57 | Spec | Is there a way in linux to make "true tones" or "real voice" mid/midis? |
| 17:54.06 | Xenguy | jair: if you decide to skip the 'write-your-own-firewall' thing, then 'shorewall' is a good firewall script |
| 17:54.12 | zimnyx | stew: even on udev homepage there's no doc for higher versions |
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| 17:54.19 | xoz | jair: shorewall is also easy to configure |
| 17:54.30 | stew | zimnyx: that shouldn't stop you from filing the bug |
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| 17:54.33 | lestest | jair: lemme browse |
| 17:54.35 | Xenguy | jair: no fancy GUI, you just edit a few text files |
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| 17:55.19 | Livingroom | thecount: thanks man, you r like, saved my job dood |
| 17:55.25 | WE_R_ONE | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1081 <--- issues with samba system! |
| 17:55.25 | xoz | jair: or just try apt-cache search firewall and read the descriptions. im sure you'll find the one you like. |
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| 17:56.13 | sanoj | antgel: pong |
| 17:56.13 | lestest | jair: give a look to the howto |
| 17:56.37 | zimnyx | stew: man udev is actual. i am stupid :) |
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| 17:57.06 | zimnyx | stew: option for starting program is PROGRAM="doIt.sh" |
| 17:57.39 | ansong | zimnyx, well the output of the apt-key command was "gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found, OK" the repositories that i get errors on: http://soulmachine.net unstable/ Release; http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release; http://www.os-works.com testing Release; ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release |
| 17:58.08 | stew | ansong: /msg dpkg apt secure ; /msg dpkg marillat key |
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| 18:01.43 | jair | lestest, Xenguy xoz guys, to go with configure IP tables using shorewall, I rather wait to learn better all the scripts and do it manually |
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| 18:02.06 | marstewel | iptables is easy |
| 18:02.12 | jair | but a box that comes with everything set up, almost very good is what I am looking for right now |
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| 18:02.22 | valdyn_ | ..and very very hard to manage if you have many rules |
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| 18:02.31 | jair | marstewel, yes but haha |
| 18:02.33 | marstewel | how many rules valdyn_ ? |
| 18:02.38 | jair | I really want to learn it |
| 18:02.54 | marstewel | I have a set up a HA firewall with 600+ rules |
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| 18:03.26 | jair | marstewel, if I have a Linux box as a firewall with two networkcards I can install in the same box snort, dansguardian and squid? |
| 18:03.47 | jair | marstewel, nice, we have a guruji in iptables here then |
| 18:04.00 | marstewel | you can install everything on 1 box. but I dont like the 1 box philosophy |
| 18:04.34 | marstewel | services should be shared accross multiple boxes |
| 18:04.53 | jair | marstewel, what will be ideal? to separate two networks, "administration" <----------> "public" |
| 18:04.57 | marstewel | jaime: I am not a guru, just a user |
| 18:05.14 | jair | marstewel, haha cool it was just a bad joke |
| 18:05.37 | marstewel | separate? with different trusts? :P |
| 18:06.06 | marstewel | personally I dont trust any packet, n/m if it comes from the LAN (n/m what department) |
| 18:06.23 | jair | will be then something like this: ^internet^ -----> *iptables*by itself -------> "administration" <----------> "public" |
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| 18:06.53 | victim | are their proper firewall settings that will keep a linux server from being used for an idle scan? ala nmap -sI? |
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| 18:07.07 | jair | marstewel, it is a place where I can get the basic explanation and configuration? |
| 18:07.09 | jair | example? |
| 18:07.23 | marstewel | jair: netfilter.org has some nice howtos |
| 18:07.34 | marstewel | besides that, google is your best friend |
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| 18:07.35 | jair | marstewel, cool |
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| 18:07.46 | marstewel | probably tldp.org also... |
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| 18:08.12 | marstewel | victim: what do you consider "proper firewall settings" ? |
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| 18:08.15 | Lextier | hi all i just installed MRTG how can I find out the switch/router name/address so I can see all the MRTG's on that switch? |
| 18:08.28 | jair | marstewel, nice, if I get stuck can I ask you ? although i will be reading the how-to though and all the meanings of the ACCEPT DROP and the way you place the rules |
| 18:09.09 | marstewel | jair: you should read the howto and get some *real world* experience. knowledge of TCP/IP should be extended probably also... |
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| 18:09.35 | Led_Zeppelin | how do you install rpms in debian? |
| 18:09.39 | jair | marstewel, nice I already have one configure at my home but it have only one rule I think |
| 18:09.42 | Led_Zeppelin | apt-get install rpm, but rpm -i does not work. |
| 18:09.48 | marstewel | Led_Zeppelin: why would you like to install rpms ? |
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| 18:10.07 | jair | marstewel, first I start using shorewall to configure the iptables but I did not like it. |
| 18:10.11 | marstewel | Led_Zeppelin: you need to convert them with "alien" to debs |
| 18:10.20 | Eulex | Led_Zeppelin, use alien if you really have to install an rpm. rather compile from source than install an rpm. |
| 18:10.24 | victim | marstewel: ok, forget I used proper...just trying to make sure my server can not be used as an idlescan proxy |
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| 18:10.56 | Led_Zeppelin | marcels: my package is only avalible on RPMs |
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| 18:11.04 | marstewel | Led_Zeppelin: which package ? |
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| 18:11.16 | Led_Zeppelin | marstewel: TSM server |
| 18:11.30 | marstewel | Led_Zeppelin: is there a .tar.gz download also for it ? |
| 18:11.34 | Eulex | Led_Zeppelin, can you get the source of it and compile it? |
| 18:11.39 | klausi | how can i install a package in debian"? |
| 18:11.44 | marstewel | klausi: dpkg -i |
| 18:11.47 | Led_Zeppelin | Eulex: no its closed |
| 18:11.52 | Eulex | Led_Zeppelin, ah |
| 18:12.01 | Eulex | Led_Zeppelin, then use alien |
| 18:12.02 | marstewel | typically... |
| 18:12.03 | klausi | i want to use synaptics package manager |
| 18:12.11 | Eulex | klausi, apt-get it |
| 18:12.25 | ansong | well, the marillat bit worked. for some reason, the secure-testing.debian.net still isn't verifying |
| 18:12.30 | victim | !apt-get |
| 18:12.30 | dpkg | i guess apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me ... |
| 18:12.39 | marstewel | heh |
| 18:12.44 | Led_Zeppelin | marstewel: okay, got alient. How do I use it? alien packagename? |
| 18:12.51 | marstewel | Led_Zeppelin: man alien |
| 18:13.45 | marstewel | today, I read an article in a german computer reseller news magazine about Linux being messy for noobs because of dependency hell :P |
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| 18:14.34 | TobiX | Hi! Am I just stupid or was there really no mirror sync since 2 days? |
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| 18:14.51 | TobiX | marstewel: So Windows-dependency-hell is better? |
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| 18:15.10 | marstewel | TobiX: I have no dependency hell :) |
| 18:15.12 | TobiX | (Plese set irony-markers as needed) |
| 18:15.34 | shad0wcat | that should be rpm dependency hell |
| 18:15.35 | marstewel | TobiX: I guess they focused on RH and S.u.S.E like they usually do *sigh* |
| 18:15.41 | marstewel | yep shad0wcat |
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| 18:15.54 | shad0wcat | the Windows Installer is actually pretty decent |
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| 18:16.03 | shad0wcat | it's superior to what red hat is using |
| 18:16.07 | jair | marstewel, I been yesterday to a IBM workshop, and they have already almost all their applications running on linux :) they are doing a big move to Linux which will help a lot the OS ;) |
| 18:16.18 | TobiX | Or you solve it like the MacOSX-folks: Just put everything you need into the application package ;) |
| 18:16.27 | marstewel | lol TobiX |
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| 18:16.33 | marstewel | TobiX: are you experienced with Mac OS ? |
| 18:16.34 | marstewel | :P |
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| 18:16.41 | TobiX | A little bit |
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| 18:16.53 | marstewel | is it possible to launch a shell? :) |
| 18:17.01 | TobiX | marstewel: Yes, of course |
| 18:17.28 | marstewel | well I'll see tomorrow when troubleshooting the connectivity prob :) |
| 18:17.40 | TobiX | It's a mix of NeXT, BSD and Mach (+ really slick UI) |
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| 18:17.42 | jazzmanss | jkern, KerPlunk, I figured out how using audacity to batch process a folder at a time, it's a kludge, but it works. If y'all or anyone else figures out a command line script to do a sheitload (200-300 wavs at a time) using lame, lemme know eh? :) |
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| 18:17.54 | marstewel | TobiX: I know shit about Mac OS :D |
| 18:17.56 | TobiX | Even zsh and ruby are preinstalled |
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| 18:18.35 | jair | marstewel, which one is the command to check if the iptables is runnign currently? |
| 18:18.45 | marstewel | "running correctly" ? |
| 18:18.58 | stew | jair: iptables -L -n |
| 18:18.58 | marstewel | you want to see a summary of what rules are hit? |
| 18:19.04 | jair | stew, thanks |
| 18:19.05 | zimnyx | stew: after a 3 hours of playing with udev sd card reader appeared in /dev :) |
| 18:19.12 | jair | marstewel, as well |
| 18:19.24 | marstewel | damn stew :P |
| 18:19.38 | TobiX | marstewel: Mac OS X has the most advanced GUI-rendering-engine I know of. Cairo has a long way to go to become something like Quartz ;) |
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| 18:19.58 | zimnyx | stew: when i provide option PROGRAM nothing happenes.. but nevemind. is it possible to mount the plugged device automaticaly? |
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| 18:20.24 | jair | marstewel, this is what I have so far??? -> http://pastebin.com/425724 |
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| 18:20.56 | marstewel | jair: thats nothing... |
| 18:20.57 | WE_R_ONE | how do I check and see if samba recognizes my friends XP system? |
| 18:21.05 | jair | marstewel, hahaha |
| 18:21.14 | stew | zimnyx: i do it in /etc/hotplug/usb/usb-storage, but i don't know whats going to break when udev takes over hotplug (as it has in sid) |
| 18:21.17 | jair | marstewel, I told you i think i have to check the rules? |
| 18:21.23 | stew | zimnyx: and there is autofs |
| 18:21.40 | Eulex | I'm having trouble with a key in X. First it didn't work at all in X, so I checked in a console and got a message about Unknown Key Pressed, so I gave it a keycode with setkeycodes. The key was still not working ok in X, so I checked it with xev, and when I press it, I get a flood of press and release events that never stop. |
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| 18:22.02 | stew | jair: that means no rules are loaded |
| 18:22.05 | marstewel | jair: you should start with the default policy set to DROP in each chain |
| 18:22.18 | marstewel | jair: and work your way from there |
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| 18:23.05 | marstewel | AFK |
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| 18:23.11 | jair | marstewel, that info is on the netfilter.com |
| 18:23.27 | faked | I have no permissions to my usb-camera using digikam, but I'm member in the group camera. With root I have permissions with digikam to my usb-cam. Some Ideas? |
| 18:23.28 | jair | marstewel, but the iptables is running? just do not have any drop rules. |
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| 18:23.48 | Xenguy | TobiX: MacOSX is proprietary, is it not? If yes, end of story =) |
| 18:23.54 | marstewel | jair: it is accepting *ANYTHING* right now, you should start with the other way round and work your way from there |
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| 18:24.03 | marstewel | now afk |
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| 18:24.18 | jair | afk??? |
| 18:24.39 | TobiX | Xenguy: I just think, open-source programmers really can learn from Apple, see http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/13 and following for neat examples... |
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| 18:25.39 | Xenguy | TobiX: apple is famous for UI, sure, but until it is FOSS, I ain't buying ;-) |
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| 18:25.50 | QrX | hi all |
| 18:26.21 | jair | how do i restart iptables? |
| 18:26.25 | valdyn_ | TobiX: all this is in development for linux / unix |
| 18:26.35 | valdyn_ | TobiX: nothing to 'learn', just to implement |
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| 18:26.49 | Xenguy | (from a Linux POV anyway) |
| 18:26.52 | Xenguy | ww |
| 18:27.08 | Eulex | The key is a multimedia key, the 'eject' key. It seems to be quite special compared to the other multimedia keys because when I run showkey -k and press it I get 0x00 0x81 0xa1 when I press it and nothing when I release it. With my other multimedia keys I get things like, for example, 0x72 when I press them and 0xf2 when I release them (but different codes from each, of course) |
| 18:27.11 | stew | jair: you don't. do you mean flush the rulset? |
| 18:27.17 | jair | stew, yes |
| 18:27.21 | stew | jair: iptables -F |
| 18:27.34 | bullweivelz | stew: any idea on how you would disable it ??? |
| 18:27.36 | QrX | when i shut down the comp it says power down but stay still open i guess its an acpi problem anyone have a solution for that ? |
| 18:27.41 | jair | I already join to the #iptables right now, I am sorry for ask iptables here in debian ;) |
| 18:27.48 | paolob | Hi guys! Any idea about beagle 0.1.1 not founding gmime-sharp? |
| 18:27.52 | Eulex | QrX, what's your kernel? |
| 18:27.52 | stew | bullweivelz: disable what? |
| 18:28.00 | QrX | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 18:28.03 | bullweivelz | stew: ip tables...from a command line. |
| 18:28.11 | bullweivelz | just temporarily |
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| 18:28.28 | stew | bullweivelz: there is no way, you can flush the rules and change the default policies, however |
| 18:28.28 | Eulex | QrX, hmm... age of computer? |
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| 18:28.56 | QrX | 4 years |
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| 18:29.10 | samuel | anyone know of a WM with transparency? i mean REAL transparency for all windows? |
| 18:29.10 | QrX | but my comp works fine :p |
| 18:29.30 | QrX | the power supply is not old |
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| 18:29.32 | stew | samuel: WM has nothing to do with transparancy |
| 18:29.43 | Eulex | QrX, hmm, should support acpi then. check your dmesg for clues. |
| 18:29.44 | QrX | and mother board is good :p |
| 18:29.48 | stew | samuel: the WM doesn't affect the contents of the windwos themselves |
| 18:29.49 | samuel | stew, what does manage it then? |
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| 18:30.04 | stew | samuel: the location and decoration of the windows |
| 18:30.05 | QrX | mother board is msi 6309 |
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| 18:30.16 | QrX | its not new but it still good |
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| 18:30.25 | werjkre | Can anyone explain to me what is causing a message of failed to mount /selinux on bootup? |
| 18:30.28 | samuel | stew, so how could you make something transparent? is that an Xorg thing? or what should i be looking for? |
| 18:30.31 | QrX | and works fine with all other distribs |
| 18:30.32 | stew | samuel: how the windows draw their contents is between the clients and the x server |
| 18:30.35 | valdyn_ | samuel: stew is a little wrong, you are too, WMs do not implement or compute the transparency but they are one place that could resonably control it |
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| 18:31.23 | QrX | ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326 |
| 18:31.23 | QrX | ACPI: Interpreter disabled. |
| 18:31.32 | samuel | valdyn_, i see... so is there any with transparency support? is it something i need to enable first in xorg? |
| 18:31.40 | Eulex | samuel, if you want real transparency, you want to get 3d acceleration working, then enable the Composite extension, and then run a compositing manager |
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| 18:32.00 | Eulex | QrX, see, there's your problem. does it say anything else? |
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| 18:32.30 | QrX | ah ok |
| 18:32.34 | QrX | i find |
| 18:32.36 | QrX | it |
| 18:32.39 | valdyn_ | samuel: xcompmgr does it, but its more or less just for a testing tool. I thought cvs metacity supported it, i dont know though what happened in that area lately |
| 18:32.45 | QrX | bios is too old |
| 18:32.58 | Eulex | QrX, heh, ok |
| 18:32.58 | QrX | i need to falsh it |
| 18:33.07 | QrX | sheisse |
| 18:33.25 | samuel | stew, valdyn_, Eulex thanks, i think i know what to look for now |
| 18:33.45 | QrX | ACPI disabled because your bios is from 99 and too old |
| 18:33.58 | QrX | well lets make a flash ( |
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| 18:34.12 | QrX | Eulex thank you |
| 18:34.15 | stew | i have true transparancy in my emacs window, but thats becuase it is the only thing in that workspace and i have a black root window :P |
| 18:34.17 | Eulex | samuel, I believe kde has a compositing manager in its window manager. also, xfce's window manager has a compositing manager too |
| 18:34.21 | Eulex | QrX, yw |
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| 18:34.39 | samuel | Eulex, thanks for the info |
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| 18:35.02 | Eulex | samuel, if you don't use any of these DE's, you'll have to use xcompmgr |
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| 18:35.25 | QrX | i hope there is still updates for this bios ( |
| 18:35.27 | QrX | lol |
| 18:35.29 | fbi | you can get transparency working anywhere, doesn't matter what desktop environment or window manager you're running |
| 18:35.44 | fbi | you need to add a section to xorg.conf and install transset and xcompmgr |
| 18:35.53 | pitillo | what are the basic paquets to install X? |
| 18:36.03 | fbi | !tell pitillo about setup x |
| 18:36.11 | pitillo | fbi, thanks |
| 18:36.17 | fbi | no problem |
| 18:36.28 | pngwn | pitillo, /msg dpkg install X |
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| 18:37.32 | zimnyx | stew: finally i used package "usbmount" which does mounting when device is connected. |
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| 18:37.37 | KursK | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.44 | KursK | mh really OT I know |
| 18:37.45 | zimnyx | stew: thanks again, i may watch movie now:) |
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| 18:38.42 | stew | !li |
| 18:38.42 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 18:38.47 | bullweivelz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.57 | numer | has anyone got btsco (bluetooth headset) working with a 2.4.xx kernel? |
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| 18:39.21 | stew | KursK: the rebuild shouldn't even start until after the machine has booted |
| 18:39.45 | KursK | stew, so my first step would be to be able to boot again? |
| 18:39.53 | marstewel | bullweivelz: echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:39.59 | stew | KursK: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 18:40.42 | stew | bullweivelz: pull the network cables :) |
| 18:40.55 | marstewel | stew: see my solution from above |
| 18:40.58 | KursK | stew, okay, but I need the driver for the 3ware controller to mount the disk I think. It sounds so heavily risky... |
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| 18:41.18 | stew | marstewel: doesn't work on bsd/solaris, though, does it? |
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| 18:41.25 | Eulex | KursK, is that driver built into the kernel? |
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| 18:41.37 | marstewel | thats what it should work for in *nix |
| 18:41.42 | marstewel | I am unsure about BSD/Solaris |
| 18:42.12 | stew | KursK: is it a 9xxx controller? or older? |
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| 18:43.02 | KursK | stew, it's a 6xxx or a 7xxxx |
| 18:43.15 | KursK | Eulex, mh long time ago, wait |
| 18:43.41 | stew | KursK: the driver for those would be on the debian install kernels or on a knoppix or ubuntu disk |
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| 18:44.19 | KursK | stew, oh, great, so I'll fire up a knoppix |
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| 18:47.46 | repp_ | kinda slow in here todatyy |
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| 18:49.59 | KursK | stew, by the way, will the rebuild process start when I boot from knoppix? I mean it says it will do rebuilding after os boot.... |
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| 18:50.13 | stew | KursK: yeah |
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| 18:52.01 | KursK | stew, so I should let it do the rebuilding process while I'm in knoppix or can I do the lilo and then reboot? is this critical? |
| 18:52.09 | stew | KursK: you can reboot |
| 18:52.14 | KursK | good |
| 18:52.24 | stew | KursK: 3ware is awesome like that |
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| 18:54.01 | marstewel | I like ICP/Vortex |
| 18:54.04 | marstewel | @stew |
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| 18:55.06 | KursK | stew, okay, that's good...maybe this happend once to me a looong time ago, everything feels so familiar :) but no risk eh...thank you very much! |
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| 18:55.45 | KursK | I hate it when such things happen right before the weekend...arf |
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| 18:57.18 | AlienX | would anyone be willing to check out my xorg.conf file? I can't seem to get my usb mouse working and I'm not sure if it's just an oversight. http://eckserver.eckerd.edu/~bordelsr/xorg.conf |
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| 18:59.13 | AlienX | grr netsplit |
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| 18:59.41 | marstewel | heh |
| 18:59.43 | Teenah | can someone recommend a good mp3 server for debian? I'm basically looking for something with a web interface so I can point my friends at an url and they can then listen to a song. |
| 18:59.43 | marstewel | hi maja |
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| 18:59.47 | blondie | AlienX: what netsplit? |
| 19:00.02 | astronut | Teenah: apache? |
| 19:00.12 | AlienX | blondie, i'm assuming the 200 people who just logged out and logged back in real quick was a netsplit :) |
| 19:00.21 | Teenah | well i do'nt actually want them to download all the mp3s I want it to be streamed |
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| 19:00.34 | AlienX | would anyone be willing to check out my xorg.conf file? I can't seem to get my usb mouse working and I'm not sure if it's just an oversight. http://eckserver.eckerd.edu/~bordelsr/xorg.conf |
| 19:00.35 | fbi | AlienX: what happens if you use /dev/input/mice, and why is the option for your scroll wheel commented? |
| 19:00.37 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone know of a way to automate the equivalent of pressing the Alt-Sysrq-s ? The use of xev to get useful information on how to automate keystrokes has always evaded me. I'm not even sure I'm getting unique keysysms when I press Alt-s, for instance. |
| 19:00.38 | Teenah | i have it set up right now as an iTunes share but you have to set up a proxy for that and install iTunes and my friends don't like that |
| 19:00.49 | AlienX | fbi, i'll tell you in one sec |
| 19:00.58 | stew | AlienX: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:01.26 | AlienX | stew, 2.4.27-2-386. I just did a fresh install of etch. |
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| 19:01.44 | marstewel | you mean a fresh install without the linux26 boot option :D |
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| 19:01.51 | valdyn_ | sgeigerbot: why not use /dev/input/whatever directly? |
| 19:01.55 | fbi | !usbmouse |
| 19:01.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 19:02.04 | sgeigerbot | valdyn_: I would I if I knew how. Any pointers? |
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| 19:02.33 | AlienX | fbi, do you happen to know the package name for 2.6 in etch? |
| 19:02.43 | valdyn_ | sgeigerbot: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/vdr/misc/evexec.c |
| 19:02.46 | foo | Ok, I found out the problem. Fluxbox isn't saving my background image that I have ... I can set it with fbsetbg ... but after a reboot it doesn't save the background - any ideas? |
| 19:02.48 | fbi | AlienX: see number [5] |
| 19:03.07 | AlienX | fbi, ah :) |
| 19:03.14 | fbi | you're using the wrong protocol |
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| 19:03.59 | DwyaneWad1 | how do i activate the Force-LoopBreak option? |
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| 19:04.23 | valdyn_ | DwyaneWad1: isnt that in the error message you got? |
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| 19:04.46 | DwyaneWad1 | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 19:04.49 | DwyaneWad1 | that's all |
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| 19:05.13 | astronut | man apt-get |
| 19:05.25 | astronut | -o |
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| 19:05.44 | fbi | !tell DwyaneWad1 about e2fsprogs loop |
| 19:06.04 | AlienX | fbi, ExplorerPS/2 is not a valid keyword |
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| 19:06.19 | Teenah | so can anyone recommend a web based front end for streaming mp3s? I am currently using daapd but I'd like something that doesn't require a proxy or iTunes. |
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| 19:07.40 | pihhan | is there a way how i can check package for good md5sums? |
| 19:07.42 | fbi | AlienX: where are you seeing that? |
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| 19:08.07 | valdyn_ | pihhan: and you already tried apt-cache search md5sum, right? |
| 19:08.10 | pihhan | ie how can i check if my libraries are not modified so such? |
| 19:08.22 | sgeigerbot | valdyn_: I've compiled it and tried to use it. I don't have /dev/input/event0...but I don't think this is really what I want anyway. |
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| 19:08.42 | pihhan | valdyn_, i know md5sum, but i dont know original md5sum, so new alone does not help me |
| 19:08.45 | sgeigerbot | pihhan: check out debsums. |
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| 19:09.07 | AlienX | fbi, actually, the xorg output is now telling me that exps2 is an unknown protocol |
| 19:09.25 | valdyn_ | sgeigerbot: not sure what you really want, this tool is nice to monitor or do something on keys pressed independently of you running or being in X or not |
| 19:09.31 | AlienX | fbi, it's also telling me there is no core pointer |
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| 19:09.55 | AlienX | fbi, i could put my log online if you'd like to see it |
| 19:10.05 | pihhan | sgeigerbot, thanks, thats exactly what i wanted |
| 19:10.28 | fbi | AlienX: /j #flood |
| 19:11.39 | sgeigerbot | valdyn_: http://www.google.com/search?q=sysrq-trigger+alt&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
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| 19:12.11 | Eulex | tillbaka |
| 19:12.19 | Eulex | sorry, wrong window |
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| 19:12.30 | DwyaneWad1 | apt-get -o apt::Force-LoopBreak=true -> this doesn't work |
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| 19:12.34 | sgeigerbot | valdyn_: ah...that's nifty. If that can be used as a keylogger, I want to look at that more closely. (Do you have a wrapper script that does such a thing?) |
| 19:12.53 | sgeigerbot | DwyaneWad1: apt-get -u upgrade -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=true |
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| 19:13.42 | Eulex | AlienX, your xorg is set up to use serial mouse |
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| 19:14.28 | Eulex | AlienX, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86/xorg and try /dev/input/mice |
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| 19:14.47 | samot | what's this called, and where can I read more about it? 2>&1 |
| 19:14.53 | samot | for example 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 19:15.03 | pack | can anyone recomend a firewire video capture device? take output from an analog camera? has to be firewire. |
| 19:15.21 | Eulex | samot, stdin redirecting? |
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| 19:15.25 | pureone | samot #bash and http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 19:15.27 | doleyb | samot: "man bash", that's how you direct stderr output elsewhere |
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| 19:15.36 | samot | okey, thanks |
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| 19:15.51 | doleyb | samot: compare it against |& in csh |
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| 19:16.28 | Fackamato | How much space does the Debian sarge install require, in server mode? |
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| 19:17.17 | Eulex | samot, specifically, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html |
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| 19:17.46 | AlienX | Eulex, so what would I change? |
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| 19:19.34 | astronut | soemthing tried to change the mode on my monitor then failed, now my monitor is saying "VIdeo Mode not supported" |
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| 19:19.42 | astronut | (i'm on xinerama, it's only the first) |
| 19:19.47 | astronut | how do i change it back? |
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| 19:20.07 | Eulex | AlienX, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg if you're running xorg) and choose /dev/input/mice when it asks you. /dev/ttyS0 is for a serial mouse on com1 |
| 19:20.07 | doleyb | !quake |
| 19:20.07 | dpkg | quake is, like, one of the few decent games for linux! Test packages of quake (including glquake) are aptable from "deb http://www.debian.org/%7Eknghtbrd/ quake/" or game that makes you puke;; newbies' guide for quake here: http://www.cheatersguild.com/quake/strategyguide.htm |
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| 19:21.05 | AlienX | Eulex, i just did that and now I'm getting the error: (EE) XF86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
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| 19:21.21 | pihhan | hey, that link deb link does not work :( |
| 19:21.44 | Eulex | AlienX, hmm. it was an usb mouse, right? |
| 19:21.56 | AlienX | Eulex, yeah, standard dell usb optical mouse |
| 19:22.20 | GiBa | hi ppl |
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| 19:22.43 | AlienX | Eulex, it's not possible that there is a missing usb util that didn't get installed right? |
| 19:23.05 | GiBa | does any one know what to read to find out how the hell is hardware on Sarge to be configured???? |
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| 19:23.15 | GiBa | they changed the modules.conf |
| 19:23.16 | doleyb | AlienX: the first thing you should check is if you can "cat /dev/input/mice" and get junk, outside of x |
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| 19:23.21 | GiBa | the update/modules |
| 19:23.27 | Eulex | AlienX, maybe. doleyb, right. |
| 19:23.30 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone know how to echo "alt-s" into /proc/sysrq-trigger if you don't have /proc/sysrq-sticky ? |
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| 19:23.36 | GiBa | and now i have some HALD |
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| 19:23.47 | AlienX | doleyb, no such device |
| 19:23.49 | GiBa | daemon |
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| 19:24.20 | Eulex | AlienX, change to a console and plug in and out the mouse -- does anything appear in the console? |
| 19:24.22 | doleyb | AlienX: if not, then lsmod and look for "usb" and "mouse". |
| 19:24.36 | doleyb | AlienX: are any other usb devices working? |
| 19:25.02 | GiBa | AlienX: did you modprobe mousedev? |
| 19:25.31 | timmo | is it against gnu.org and fsf.org policy to playback dvds under a gnu/linux system? i was going to install libdvdcss2 and playback encrypted dvds on my debian system, but do not want to do anything unethical or that is not in keeping with the spirit of the gnu/linux philosophy... |
| 19:25.32 | Eulex | AlienX, is discover installed? |
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| 19:26.02 | garyozzy | how many of the cds should i download to install debian? |
| 19:26.03 | doleyb | timmo: no, it's not against their philosophy, it is against some countries' laws though. |
| 19:26.12 | AlienX | Eulex, no it wasn't |
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| 19:26.18 | valdyn | timmo: why should fsf / gnu care if you break copyright law? |
| 19:26.21 | doleyb | timmo: laws the fsf does not support, but obeys from necessity. |
| 19:26.21 | AlienX | Eulex, it is now though |
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| 19:26.49 | Fackamato | Guys, the init.d/hotplug script |
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| 19:27.01 | timmo | thanks, doleyb and valdyn |
| 19:27.02 | Fackamato | it autodetects hardware and loads the appropriate modules? nothing else? |
| 19:27.16 | Eulex | AlienX, it's a thing that discovers hardware. what if you plug in and out the mouse now? what do you get in the console? |
| 19:27.18 | AlienX | doleyb, GiBa, Eulex: The good news is that X will start now, the bad news is that the cursor still doesn't move |
| 19:27.22 | michael357 | is anyone aware of a way to find out from a package name what files were created by said package? |
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| 19:27.49 | valdyn | michael357: dpkg -L package |
| 19:27.58 | michael357 | thank you |
| 19:28.01 | timmo | just don't want to be using any software that is against the gnu/linux philosophy (non-free software). i won't use the nvidia driver because of that... |
| 19:28.05 | Eulex | AlienX, cat /dev/input/mice and move your mouse -- does it output a lot of garbage? |
| 19:28.11 | bullweivelz | now this is an interesting interview question. List 3 different implementations of UNIX. Not looking for vendor names. so hrmm.. Linux, uhhh... BSD is not a Unix implimentation. |
| 19:28.25 | michael357 | timmo I really don't understand that philosophy |
| 19:28.40 | michael357 | I mean there is free and non free software out there |
| 19:28.49 | AlienX | Eulex, nothing at all but at least it's not telling me the device doesn't exist |
| 19:28.52 | michael357 | its not immoral to not give away your source |
| 19:28.56 | valdyn | bullweivelz: Solaris, BSD, Linux, Sinix, Tru64 |
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| 19:29.37 | valdyn | bullweivelz: why would bsd not be an implementation? |
| 19:29.43 | astronut | soemthing tried to change the mode on my monitor then failed, now my monitor is saying "VIdeo Mode not supported"...i'm on xinerama, it's only the first, how do i change it back? |
| 19:29.52 | michael357 | nvidia completes closely with ATI and sharing the source would possibly allow ATI to reverse engineer how nvidia cards work |
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| 19:29.56 | Eulex | AlienX, ah, is hotplug installed? |
| 19:29.59 | bullweivelz | valdyn: BSD folks always claim they are not based on unix... oh wait hrmm..think i meant to think they are not based on linux ;) |
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| 19:30.12 | michael357 | and while software can be given away for free Nvidia has to turn a profit on hardware |
| 19:30.18 | michael357 | no profit no product |
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| 19:30.30 | GiBa | does any one know what to read to find out how the hell is hardware on Sarge to be configured???? |
| 19:30.35 | AlienX | Eulex, it wasn't but is now |
| 19:30.35 | Eulex | AlienX, I take that back. I haven't got it installed. |
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| 19:30.43 | bullweivelz | valydn: wouldnt solaris be vendor specific? not sure about sinix or tru64 though. |
| 19:30.45 | eeyore- | does anybody use truecrypt? |
| 19:30.47 | GiBa | i watn to tell a module a parameter |
| 19:30.54 | valdyn | bullweivelz: whoever is asking that question just might want to rethink how he does that, since unix is protected and only after paying a fee and being certified something can call itself Certified UNIX(tm) |
| 19:31.00 | GiBa | but the module automagically loads |
| 19:31.00 | sgeigerbot | Neat. Fast shutdown which you can add to a script: sudo su -c 'echo e > /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 3; echo i > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 3; echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger' |
| 19:31.03 | GiBa | at init |
| 19:31.08 | doleyb | GiBa: insmod modname paramname=paramvalue |
| 19:31.19 | AlienX | Eulex, yeah, it didn't make a difference |
| 19:31.19 | eeyore- | i like the plausible deniability bits of truecrypt ... |
| 19:31.22 | valdyn | bullweivelz: an implementation is always 'vendor specific' |
| 19:31.23 | GiBa | doleyb |
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| 19:31.32 | GiBa | doleyb i whant to leave that configured |
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| 19:31.42 | lpb-oberon | why gurb does not load my kernel:( it is telling me that it is unable to mount /dev/hda1 |
| 19:31.50 | GiBa | but the modules.conf file is not used any more |
| 19:31.51 | astronut | lpb-oberon: hardware issues? |
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| 19:31.58 | lpb-oberon | but it loads the debian kernel from the same partiton |
| 19:32.05 | AlienX | Eulex, if you'd like to ssh into my box and take a look around, you're more than welcome to (so long as you don't change my root password ;)) |
| 19:32.07 | valdyn | bullweivelz: that said, Redhat 9.x IS a DIFFERENT unix implementation than debian 3.1 |
| 19:32.15 | acalanatha | maybe u reinstal a windows system |
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| 19:32.25 | GiBa | when booting, a lot of modules came up |
| 19:32.32 | lpb-oberon | no |
| 19:32.40 | AlienX | Eulex, actually, you may not be able to due to the way this network is setup |
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| 19:32.52 | GiBa | iv also would like to configure them to NOT to load |
| 19:32.52 | GiBa | ! |
| 19:32.55 | valdyn | bullweivelz: ( naturally only if whoever is asking you that question isnt limiting unix to the certified unices |
| 19:32.58 | acalanatha | your mbr was rewrited |
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| 19:33.19 | Eulex | AlienX, what output do you get when you pull out the mouse and insert it again? that's ok, I don't want to ssh into your machine anyway :) |
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| 19:33.35 | Eulex | AlienX, what output in the console? |
| 19:33.37 | bullweivelz | valydn: hrmm..is AIX unix like?? i have never used it or seen it. |
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| 19:33.55 | AlienX | Eulex, usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:1f.2-1 address 4 |
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| 19:34.52 | Eulex | Eulex, and then something about a new low speed usb device, right? after that, you should get something about your mouse |
| 19:34.53 | GiBa | AlienX: i have a usb mouse |
| 19:35.04 | GiBa | AlienX: but im still using /dev/psaux |
| 19:35.18 | numerobis | hello, is anyone using a headset (bt) with debian-linux kernel 2.4.xx??? |
| 19:35.20 | AlienX | GiBa, hmm |
| 19:35.26 | GiBa | AlienX: with gpm and X |
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| 19:35.48 | GiBa | AlienX: yes, i think my motherboard does somenthing in the middle |
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| 19:36.04 | valdyn | bullweivelz: http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ |
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| 19:36.22 | AlienX | I wonder if installing 2.6 will help me out. (just don't know the package name so i'm in a bit of a bind) |
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| 19:36.36 | valdyn | bullweivelz: though that question probably wasnt referring to 'certified unix(tm)' |
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| 19:36.53 | bit0 | hi!, where could i find libhowl0 package? |
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| 19:37.08 | GiBa | AlienX 2.6 its a good idea |
| 19:37.13 | euth | gr00vy: dpkg --purge truecrypt |
| 19:37.14 | Eulex | bit0, not in debian |
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| 19:37.41 | bit0 | Eulex, thanks.. i'll ask in gnomemeeting chat |
| 19:38.06 | Eulex | bit0, though search for it at apt-get.org |
| 19:38.13 | valdyn | bullweivelz: well, to repeat myself, readhat 1 , redhat 2, redhat 3 makes 3 different unix implementations ( though not certified ) |
| 19:38.13 | GiBa | wiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 19:38.15 | GiBa | well |
| 19:38.22 | GiBa | bye bye |
| 19:38.26 | GiBa | bytes! |
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| 19:38.51 | AlienX | GiBa, you wouldn't happen to know the package name would you? |
| 19:39.08 | gr00vy | euth: i tried that, it gives me dpkg: error processing truecrypt (--purge): |
| 19:39.08 | gr00vy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.47 | euth | gr00vy: dpkg --force-all --purge truecrypt |
| 19:39.48 | Eulex | AlienX, do you get something like "input: USB HID v1.00 Mouse..." when you insert the mouse again? |
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| 19:40.04 | bgtroll | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.12 | euth | gr00vy: then follow by "apt-get -f install" to make sure everything is consistent |
| 19:40.14 | Eulex | AlienX, 2.6 may help, though it may also not help. apt-cache search for it |
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| 19:40.35 | duethomin | what is the difference between kernel-image-2.6-686 and kernel-image-2.6-686-smp? |
| 19:40.46 | euth | smp support :-) |
| 19:40.50 | doleyb | duethomin: the smp one is for if you have dual (or quad) cpus |
| 19:40.52 | tictac | duethomin: one has smp support, obviously. |
| 19:41.03 | licued | hey, I think one has smp support |
| 19:41.05 | gr00vy | eith: Thankyou! Will be writing that one down. |
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| 19:41.15 | gr00vy | *euth sorry |
| 19:41.17 | duethomin | thanks so much |
| 19:41.19 | AlienX | Eulex, hub.c: New USB device 00:1f.2-1, assigned address 6 ; input: USB HID v.1.10 Mouse |
| 19:41.44 | Pitchin_uk | Evening all |
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| 19:41.47 | Eulex | AlienX, then that looks good. |
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| 19:41.56 | AlienX | yeah :( |
| 19:42.03 | acalanatha | ? |
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| 19:42.07 | AlienX | Eulex, i just installed 2.6, i'll boot into that and see what happens |
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| 19:42.15 | tictac | duethomin: smp support is also if you have hyperthreading or dual core (?) processors. |
| 19:42.15 | Eulex | AlienX, ok |
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| 19:42.35 | Pitchin_uk | whats the command updating the kernel? |
| 19:42.55 | Eulex | AlienX, another thing to try is to run cat on every file in /dev/input and move your mouse to see if any of them is the right one |
| 19:43.01 | parsonsd | okay -- translating /proc/cpuinfo only lists info for one cpu. looking at /proc/stat, it tells me about cpu and cpu0. is my smp kernel really running? |
| 19:43.29 | Eulex | Pitchin_uk, you don't update a kernel. you install a new one, and keep the old one until you have everything working in the new one. |
| 19:43.34 | tictac | parsonsd: no. if you had multiple cpus, you would have cpu0 and cpu1. |
| 19:43.42 | duethomin | i've been trying to get the 2.6 kernel installed all morning. the 686 doesnt seem to be working for this computer |
| 19:43.46 | Eulex | Pitchin_uk, that said, apt-get it |
| 19:43.50 | AlienX | Eulex, Good thought |
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| 19:43.54 | systray` | #debian-amd64.de for german |
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| 19:44.11 | parsonsd | tictac. thanks. i'll keep looking to see why dselect said it installed, but i cannot find it |
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| 19:44.20 | Eulex | duethomin, in what way? |
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| 19:44.45 | Pitchin_uk | Eulex: thanks. so apt-get kernel ?? |
| 19:44.53 | AlienX | Eulex, hmm, seems to work just fine in 2.6 |
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| 19:45.16 | duethomin | Eulax, about halfway through installing i get an error. every time, the error was different |
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| 19:45.40 | duethomin | Eulax, i just installed the 2.6 kernel for 386, and it worked |
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| 19:46.10 | Eulex | Pitchin_uk, yes, but you need to know the correct package name. apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 19:46.21 | Eulex | AlienX, heh, ok. problem solved? :)) |
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| 19:46.45 | Eulex | duethomin, what processor in your box? |
| 19:46.45 | AlienX | Eulex, absolutely. Thank you for your help |
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| 19:47.23 | duethomin | Eulex, Celeron M. its a thinkpad r51. i havent gotten a cpuid for it yet |
| 19:48.12 | Eulex | duethomin, then 686 should work. could you try installing it again and see what the error is? |
| 19:48.17 | Eulex | AlienX, yw |
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| 19:48.30 | dolbe | so odd that Thinkpads are no longer made by IBM |
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| 19:48.34 | duethomin | Eulex, sure give me a minute |
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| 19:49.15 | WE_R_ONE | how do I upgrade to alsa 0.9 |
| 19:49.20 | acalanatha | ??? |
| 19:49.22 | dolbe | has anyone heard about the Open Power Project? |
| 19:49.27 | acalanatha | ? |
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| 19:51.28 | Eulex | WE_R_ONE, if you're runnning sarge or newer, alsa 1.0.8 or newer is just an apt-get away |
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| 19:52.30 | WE_R_ONE | Eulex, how do I make sure I got it? |
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| 19:52.54 | Eulex | WE_R_ONE, what does apt-cache policy alsa-base say? installed or not? |
| 19:52.57 | astronut | what's the cow in the partition table in d-i mean? |
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| 19:53.17 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.17 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.17 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.23 | astronut | bye bye ubuntu |
| 19:53.33 | Fritol | hi,when i install an em64t kernel, could i run apps for amd64 architecture? |
| 19:53.37 | WE_R_ONE | I just installed it |
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| 19:53.52 | Eulex | WE_R_ONE, ok |
| 19:53.55 | WE_R_ONE | but now I cannot do alsaconf |
| 19:53.56 | WE_R_ONE | :( |
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| 19:54.08 | Eulex | WE_R_ONE, define "cannot" |
| 19:54.17 | WE_R_ONE | alsaconf |
| 19:54.17 | WE_R_ONE | bash: alsaconf: command not found |
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| 19:54.22 | Fritol | bcs i couldn't run my sound card in alsa, and cannot instal alsa module :( |
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| 19:54.53 | Miesco | I dont understand, I am trying to install debian, when it tries to install the kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386, it gives me: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) dpkg:error processing /cdrom/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386_2.4.27-10_i386.deb (--unpack): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during './boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-386') Errors were encountered while processing: /cdrom/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.27 |
| 19:54.53 | Miesco | -i386/kernel-image-2.4.27-386_2.4.27-10_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), I have tried 2 install CD's, both give me the same error, could someone help please |
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| 19:55.20 | Eulex | Fritol, amd64 and em64t are different architectures. you can't. |
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| 19:55.30 | Fritol | :( |
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| 19:55.49 | Eulex | Fritol, prebuilt alsa modules are for 2.4 kernels. install alsa-base and alsa-utils if you've got a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:55.58 | harfooz | Hi all -- I just installed etch onto my machine and I'm trying to now install the nvidia driver following the instructions at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html (which have worked fine before) |
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| 19:56.23 | harfooz | however, now apt-get install nvidia-glx wants to install a 2.4.27 kernel, and I want to keep my 2.6.12 kernel. |
| 19:56.24 | Fritol | yes alsa-base i have..utils i'll try |
| 19:56.32 | harfooz | is this a faq that I missed somewhere? |
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| 19:56.49 | Fritol | wow, alsa-utils installed |
| 19:56.54 | Fritol | alsa-base too |
| 19:57.03 | Fritol | but sound doesn't worx :( |
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| 19:57.15 | WE_R_ONE | Fritol, try alsaconf |
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| 19:57.31 | Elly | wtf is wnck-applet |
| 19:57.31 | harfooz | woops -- nm I think I see what I did wrong. |
| 19:57.35 | Fritol | alsaconf says:No supported PnP or PCI card found. |
| 19:57.36 | Elly | and why is it using 20% of my CPU time |
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| 19:57.48 | harfooz | :-O left off the m-a auto-install nvidia line. |
| 19:57.50 | harfooz | doh! |
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| 19:58.04 | Miesco | Eulex: DO you know whats wrong? |
| 19:58.31 | Fritol | and it tries to search for isa card, but nothing found |
| 19:59.03 | Fritol | i have integrated Realtek ALC 861 (on Asus P5RD1-V) |
| 19:59.06 | TheCount | hm. ich hatte grad ne schale reis und eine scheibe kaese. |
| 19:59.26 | TheCount | ... uh. never mind. |
| 19:59.41 | Eulex | Miesco, the file may be corrupt. did you check the integrity of the disc after burning? |
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| 20:00.46 | irvi | hey ;) |
| 20:00.50 | Eulex | Fritol, does lspci see it? |
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| 20:01.06 | Miesco | Eulex: Can I do that in the installation? |
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| 20:01.28 | irvi | do you know mayby how i can switch betwens terminals (tty1,tty2... and so on). on powerbook mac ? |
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| 20:01.38 | jaime | hello i need help |
| 20:01.44 | Eulex | Miesco, no. usually there's an option in the burning program to check the integrity of the disc after burning. |
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| 20:01.50 | duethomin | Eulex, I installed 2.6 686 in expert mode and it worked. it's booting now. i guess it just wouldn't work with the automatic install. it's scanning my disk for index files now |
| 20:01.51 | Miesco | Cause in the debian-installer there is: check the CD-ROM(s) integrit |
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| 20:01.57 | jaime | i want to access with debian to a mount file system , with no root users |
| 20:01.59 | adri_ | I feel like trying debian, ubuntu keeps crashing with me |
| 20:02.01 | Eulex | irvi, umh, CTRL-ALT-F(1-6)? |
| 20:02.12 | Fritol | Eulex: http://pastebin.com/425829 |
| 20:02.17 | Eulex | Miesco, hmm, didn't know about that one. try it. |
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| 20:02.21 | jaime | how can i achieve this? via etc/group¿? |
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| 20:02.32 | Miesco | Eulex: Okay |
| 20:02.34 | Fritol | Eulex: i'm a noob but i think it isn't there :-\ |
| 20:02.52 | Miesco | Eulex: I did burn 2 of the same debian CD's |
| 20:02.57 | Fritol | but a lot of unknown devices.. |
| 20:03.04 | Miesco | Eulex: Both give me the same error |
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| 20:03.29 | Eulex | Fritol, right. it ain't there. |
| 20:03.42 | irvi | Eulex, i have try this, alt-f2, alt-2, ctrl+alt+f2 etc etc don't work ;) |
| 20:03.59 | irvi | Eulex, i'm using first time in my life mac ;) so it |
| 20:04.02 | Eulex | Miesco, may be a download error. did you md5 check the iso? |
| 20:04.03 | irvi | it's wierd ;) |
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| 20:04.35 | Eulex | irvi, I dunno completely about macs, though there might be a debian for macs channel to redirect you to |
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| 20:04.37 | tcsetattr | irvi, try using the apple key instead of Alt |
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| 20:04.46 | Fritol | Eulex: i've tried to find any driver, but nothing found :-\ |
| 20:04.52 | Miesco | Eulex: No, but the thing is the CD I am using now, I used it to install debian on this computer (and another)... |
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| 20:05.32 | Eulex | Miesco, hmm |
| 20:05.39 | Miesco | Eulex: In the installation, when it checks for integrity, it goes through all the packages |
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| 20:05.56 | Eulex | Miesco, and did it succeed? |
| 20:06.06 | Miesco | Eulex: Its still going |
| 20:06.11 | Eulex | ah, yes, it should, if it worked on other computers |
| 20:06.30 | WE_R_ONE | Could not load plugin "/usr/lib/quakeforge/plugins/snd_output_alsa0_9.so". |
| 20:06.30 | WE_R_ONE | Loading of sound output module: alsa0_9 failed! |
| 20:06.33 | Miesco | Eulex: Is that for me? |
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| 20:07.42 | Eulex | Miesco, yep. one option is to boot with the 2.6 kernel instead of the 2.4 one or whichever kernel is the default kernel. may be a cd drive problem. |
| 20:08.04 | Miesco | Eulex: So when it says "Press enter to boot" I type something else? |
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| 20:08.37 | Eulex | Miesco, yes, the F-keys display different options you can use when booting debian. |
| 20:08.58 | Fritol | Eulex: :( any idea to find that device? :( |
| 20:09.03 | Miesco | Eulex: Okay thanks, I will try it |
| 20:09.14 | Eulex | WE_R_ONE, that's a problem with quakeforge, not debian. |
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| 20:09.35 | Miesco | Also, when I try to set up my printer, it says Printer Model Selection, there are no drivers... do I need some kind of filter? |
| 20:09.37 | Pons- | a friend of mine has already installed debian stable but he wants to upgrade to testing.. he already changed his apt sources and did apt-get dist-upgrade but he did a big mess and ended making the system unusable .. any advises |
| 20:09.40 | Pons- | ? |
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| 20:10.18 | Eulex | Fritol, sorry, but no. I've never experienced that situation, when the sound card not even is visible from lspci. |
| 20:10.19 | tcsetattr | Fritol, check the BIOS configuration, make sure it's not disabled in there |
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| 20:10.35 | Fritol | Eulex: :( thanx |
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| 20:10.47 | klausi | what is a correct link to debian repositories? |
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| 20:11.00 | Eulex | Fritol, though tcsetattr has a good idea |
| 20:11.02 | Fritol | tcsetattr: i think bios would be ok, in wim it works great |
| 20:11.08 | Eulex | klausi, run apt-setup |
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| 20:11.28 | Fritol | *in win |
| 20:11.29 | Miesco | How do I download drivers for printers? |
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| 20:12.10 | EdibleText | Pons-, if has just installed, perhaps he should reinstall and upgrade. its good practice. alternativly you could ask a specific question |
| 20:12.11 | Fritol | Miesco: try to search google for them ;) |
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| 20:12.44 | Miesco | Fritol: No, there is a package with them, I know |
| 20:12.49 | klausi | ok i choose a mirror in apt-setup do get now ALL packages available shown in sznaptics packet manager? |
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| 20:13.36 | Fritol | Miesco: then what about apt-get install that_package? Is that specific for that printer? |
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| 20:14.07 | klausi | ok i choose a mirror in apt-setup do get now ALL packages available shown in synaptics packet manager? |
| 20:14.17 | nathan_ | is it possible to use a quickcam webcam and haupaugge wintv at the same time (it doesn't seem to create a /dev/video0 + 1) |
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| 20:15.20 | parsonsd | apparently, nvidia's installer doesn't know about whatever 2.4.27 kernel debian has available and wants to build from source. i d/l'd the source package from dselect, but i don't quite know where it put the source. any clues? dselect's advice doesnt say |
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| 20:15.50 | tictac | parsonsd: /usr/src or cwd. |
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| 20:15.52 | nathan_ | parsonsd: /usr/src :) |
| 20:16.07 | Eulex | klausi, please not repeat. IIRC you don't get stuff from non-free and contrib. you will have to add those after the line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:16.35 | tictac | klausi: man sources.list |
| 20:16.40 | Eulex | umh, s/not/do not/ |
| 20:16.49 | WE_R_ONE | where can I find a list of quake servers in linux? |
| 20:16.59 | parsonsd | tictac, nathan_: hrm.. (duh) thanks. |
| 20:17.01 | tictac | WE_R_ONE: not here. |
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| 20:17.11 | Miesco | WE_R_ONE: QLC |
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| 20:17.30 | adaran | anyone have a hint what to add to exim4-update.conf.conf to use TLS when connecting to the SMTP smarthost? i'm simply using it as a sendmail replacement, but can't find a howto that covers that well |
| 20:17.30 | Eulex | anyway, gotta code. |
| 20:17.42 | kimo | guys, I have an opportunity to change careers from a TME (Technical marketting engineer) at a CAD company, to a RedhatCertifiedEngineer/Solaris-Solution-Provider at the major Linux company where I live. I AM a GEEK. I enjoy tinkering. I think I will be happy, but can't be sure. Any advice...! |
| 20:18.06 | markybob | kimo yes, flip a coin. |
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| 20:18.16 | kimo | hehe ... |
| 20:18.21 | nathan_ | kimo: buy an 8 ball? |
| 20:18.25 | markybob | i did that for a job once. worked out well, actually. |
| 20:18.51 | markybob | kimo major linux company? which one might that be? |
| 20:19.06 | tictac | it generally is fine, until they realize you have no fscking clue what your doing and fire you on the spot. :) |
| 20:19.24 | kimo | Basically a RHCE/Sun partner in my country (pretty much the only one) |
| 20:19.34 | doleyb | WE_R_ONE: apt-get install xqf |
| 20:19.41 | tictac | kimo: which one? |
| 20:19.51 | Miesco | xqf sounds more right |
| 20:20.02 | markybob | kimo so what are you really asking? you apparently got a job offer for a job that you want. that to me doesnt seem like a problem. |
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| 20:20.11 | eeyore- | kimo: are you actually an MCSE? :-) |
| 20:20.15 | markybob | i've been wrong before, though. |
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| 20:20.23 | eeyore- | kimo: uh, RHCE or whatever the heck it's called |
| 20:21.03 | eeyore- | markybob: maybe he's afraid of being found out? :-) |
| 20:21.15 | nathan_ | redhat hygene cleanliness expert or somthing |
| 20:21.16 | kimo | It's more like, if I do become a certified geek (RHCE, SunWhatever), do u guys think this will work out well the next few years.. in demand.. |
| 20:21.19 | tictac | eeyore-: there is a big diff between the two. one requires vast knowledge and time spent, the other requires memorized a few things out of a few books. |
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| 20:21.38 | nathan_ | kimo: well there is a demand for linux yes |
| 20:21.43 | tictac | memorizing* |
| 20:21.44 | linh | do you know how can i change my mbr current on hda to hdb so i can remove hda fromy computer? |
| 20:21.49 | nathan_ | kimo: hopefully it will be expodential |
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| 20:21.53 | eeyore- | kimo: if you had to ask that question .... no. that job will be a drag for you. |
| 20:21.54 | ricochet | anyone having trouble booting in sid? it seems to hang after entering runlevel 2 ,and trying to start syslog |
| 20:21.59 | markybob | kimo what? you were offered to fill the spot of a RHCE and you're not certified? wow. neato. but anyway, yeah, get certified and take the job. have fun |
| 20:22.00 | kimo | tictac, what makes u think cad requires a vast knowledge !! :) |
| 20:22.13 | eeyore- | kimo: if you actually had to ask "will this job work out for me in the next few years" you're probably not going to like it |
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| 20:22.35 | kimo | eeyore-, why not . |
| 20:22.46 | SimonRaven | rhce == msce ? ;) |
| 20:22.49 | markybob | eeyore- has a good point. kimo, ever worked in the real IT work before? coding? network admin? serious stuff, not just playing with computers? |
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| 20:22.52 | tictac | kimo: i was referring to rhce/mcse, ive done cad and all it requires is a diff (normal) way of thinking. oh, and autocad 200*. |
| 20:23.02 | marstewel | kimo: I would rather go for LPIC-2 than RHCE |
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| 20:23.08 | nathan_ | LPIC rawks :) |
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| 20:23.27 | marstewel | I like freedom :D |
| 20:23.29 | kimo | markybob, no havent worked in real IT stuff before |
| 20:23.33 | tictac | lol |
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| 20:23.41 | tictac | kimo: better stick with cad. |
| 20:23.43 | eeyore- | kimo: most of the time you're just cleaning shit left behind by other people :-) |
| 20:23.46 | markybob | wtf did you get offered the job, then? with no experience and no certificates? |
| 20:23.52 | markybob | s/wtf/htf |
| 20:23.53 | marstewel | lol eeyore- |
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| 20:24.01 | kimo | :) |
| 20:24.11 | kimo | I am a local Linux Guru, just not certified |
| 20:24.17 | SimonRaven | marstewel: clueless management? ;) |
| 20:24.19 | nathan_ | and eating bannas while reading BOFH |
| 20:24.19 | marstewel | markybob: showing some $ to the management department :P |
| 20:24.27 | tictac | marstewel: he hasnt really been offered the job, just seen it in the paper and thought he should apply. |
| 20:24.28 | SimonRaven | er, markybob not marstewel |
| 20:24.30 | eeyore- | kimo: and majority of the time the "help" is for something really REALLY stupid like "i can't remember my password" or "<x> doesn't run any more, did you change something" |
| 20:24.33 | klausi | ok what is the best thing about debian in 5 words? |
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| 20:24.40 | tosh| | I setup samba and a share, im trying to mount the share in windows but, while sniffing on the samba box, I see connection requests on port 80? Why don't I see a connection request on 445/tcp? |
| 20:24.43 | nathan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.45 | nathan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.48 | glou | What is the name of the debian64-related chan ? |
| 20:24.53 | SimonRaven | it fucking rocks your socks |
| 20:24.55 | markybob | klausi, google why debian |
| 20:24.55 | jbroome | klausi: yelling at noobs in IRC |
| 20:24.56 | tictac | klausi: apt has super cow powers. |
| 20:25.00 | eeyore- | kimo: in other words, don't expect your users (your customers ;-) to actually engage brain before calling you up for help |
| 20:25.06 | markybob | glou, debian-amd64 |
| 20:25.10 | adaran | klausi, attitude... |
| 20:25.11 | tcsetattr | "Debian Free Software Guidelines. Four." |
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| 20:25.17 | glou | Thank you |
| 20:25.31 | kimo | eeyore-, actually the job is not IT support, but more like make solutions for banks, (complete solution) installation & support |
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| 20:25.42 | markybob | WHAT? |
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| 20:25.46 | markybob | with not IT experience? |
| 20:25.48 | Aleks | Hi people :) |
| 20:25.55 | marstewel | banks here require MCSEs |
| 20:25.57 | eeyore- | kimo: and how does that differ from end-user support? your end user just got bigger, that's all |
| 20:26.07 | markybob | dude, seriously, do you know someone in the company who's hooking you up or something? |
| 20:26.12 | marstewel | without MCSE, not allowed to touch IT stuff |
| 20:26.17 | kimo | eeyore-, yeah, but I guess it wont break that often ;) |
| 20:26.17 | Aleks | Any one who can help me here...? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4373 |
| 20:26.25 | tictac | marstewel: but mcse is pud. |
| 20:26.29 | jbroome | marstewel: i'd say *with* an MCSE, you're not allowed to touch stuff |
| 20:26.38 | kimo | jbroome, me too ;) |
| 20:26.41 | marstewel | well that's just the facts |
| 20:26.43 | markybob | Aleks, you're in the wrong channel if you're running ubuntu |
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| 20:27.15 | Aleks | markybob, I know.., no response in ubuntu :( |
| 20:27.17 | marstewel | I do know somebody who knows his Windows shit and is about to get a MCSE though |
| 20:27.18 | Aleks | so i try here |
| 20:27.25 | marstewel | lol |
| 20:27.35 | SimonRaven | this isn't #ubuntu |
| 20:27.42 | nathan_ | Aleks: learn germand and try #ubuntu-de |
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| 20:27.52 | tictac | marstewel: there are numerous people here that have mcse. |
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| 20:28.28 | marstewel | I am just about to get LPIC-2 then I am satisfied for a while |
| 20:28.33 | marstewel | until 2007 and my cisco cert expires |
| 20:28.35 | SimonRaven | tictac: yeh? where? name one ;) |
| 20:28.48 | marstewel | debhelper is a MCSE :P |
| 20:28.56 | tictac | SimonRaven: well, if you must know, i have one. :| |
| 20:28.56 | markybob | anyone ever heard of debian certification? that'd be an interesting way to get the foundation some money |
| 20:29.01 | SimonRaven | har har har |
| 20:29.02 | bucky | dpkg is a moron |
| 20:29.19 | SimonRaven | dpkg bot |
| 20:29.19 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 20:29.33 | marstewel | dpkg is a dork |
| 20:29.35 | SimonRaven | see? moron |
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| 20:29.53 | bucky | !moron marstewel |
| 20:29.56 | dpkg | marstewel: You are moron #40 |
| 20:30.01 | rib88 | lu tt le monde |
| 20:30.06 | markybob | what? |
| 20:30.06 | marstewel | !moron me |
| 20:30.07 | dpkg | marstewel: You are moron #64 |
| 20:30.08 | marstewel | :P |
| 20:30.14 | markybob | hey. guys. chill. |
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| 20:30.30 | rib88 | y aurait qqun qui voudrait filer un coup d emains a un newbee |
| 20:30.35 | rib88 | svp |
| 20:30.40 | EdibleText | !fr |
| 20:30.40 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:30.46 | SimonRaven | dans #debian-fr p'etre |
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| 20:30.52 | fbi | freedom fries! |
| 20:31.13 | tcsetattr | ah, so "newbee" is the French spelling. |
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| 20:31.23 | SimonRaven | no, his spelling |
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| 20:32.30 | cappuchino | hello |
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| 20:33.30 | Gumby | I'm trying to compile mythtv and I am getting the following error... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm does anyone know what I need to install for this to compile cleanly? |
| 20:33.31 | dj47 | brand new to linux and using kubuntu. Have trie Redhat Fedora Core 4 and they have a super filemanager which is like a konqueror with root privileges. Is there a similar deb package with such a file manager? |
| 20:33.33 | WE_R_ONE | I have qw-client-glx installed, but I am not sure how to get xqf to recognize the path to the file, can anyone help? |
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| 20:33.55 | markybob | Gumby, you knwo that there's mythtv packages, right? |
| 20:33.59 | eeyore- | Gumby: X development package(s)? |
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| 20:34.13 | eeyore- | markybob: he could be wanting the bleeding edge stuff |
| 20:34.15 | markybob | Gumby, anyway, with that said, you could do apt-get build-dep mythtv to get the build requirements |
| 20:34.16 | Gumby | markos_: yes, except they are severly broken, |
| 20:34.41 | WE_R_ONE | but it cannot load frontend.cfg |
| 20:34.45 | Gumby | sorry... markybob |
| 20:35.09 | markybob | i'm not sure what you're sorry for, but ok. good luck :) |
| 20:35.23 | Gumby | I said markos_ instead of markybob :) |
| 20:35.40 | markybob | ah. anyway, the build-dep thing should get everything you need. if not come back in here |
| 20:35.41 | pihhan | can do someone of you do ld /usr/lib/crt1.o? |
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| 20:36.25 | Gumby | markybob: will that build all the plugins also? like mythweb, mythmusic, etc? |
| 20:36.26 | tcsetattr | what do you expect that to do, pihhan? |
| 20:36.34 | pihhan | dont know |
| 20:36.41 | pihhan | no error maybe |
| 20:36.51 | WE_R_ONE | how do I remove a direct with rmdir -p quake/ |
| 20:36.51 | WE_R_ONE | rmdir: `quake/': Directory not empty |
| 20:36.52 | markybob | Gumby, that wont build anything. it'll get the build depends so you can compile it yourself. that's what you're wanting, correct? |
| 20:37.02 | WE_R_ONE | I want it all gone |
| 20:37.08 | Gumby | I see |
| 20:37.08 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, rm -rf foo |
| 20:37.15 | pihhan | tcsetattr, because this error prevents me from building php |
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| 20:37.21 | marstewel | WE_R_ONE: man rmdir |
| 20:37.33 | marstewel | WE_R_ONE: but you are probably looking for rm -r quake |
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| 20:37.56 | markybob | pihhan, building php? you're compiling php in debian? |
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| 20:38.05 | eeyore- | Gumby: that's the dependencies of mythtv as it exists in debian |
| 20:38.12 | pihhan | please dont ask me why, i have to do it |
| 20:38.21 | tcsetattr | pihhan, well that command is not useful. ld is the linker ("link editor"), and you generally want to feed it more than one file. crt1.o alone is certainly not useful. |
| 20:38.23 | eeyore- | Gumby: if you're going through the trouble of building it yourself, you probably won't need/want everything |
| 20:38.25 | Gumby | markybob: I see that its going to install libxxf86vm-dev must have been what I was missing |
| 20:38.30 | marstewel | pihhan: you want to backport php ? |
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| 20:38.40 | tcsetattr | there is no chance that "ld /usr/lib/crt1.o" is a useful command on any system at any time. |
| 20:38.46 | markybob | Gumby, yep. now you know how to find out what you're missing for most programs that you might wanna compile. comes in handy |
| 20:39.29 | pihhan | marstewel, no, i want php with some patches, php-accelerator and apache with FrontPage extensions and such |
| 20:39.45 | SimonRaven | eew FP |
| 20:39.53 | marstewel | heh fp extensions |
| 20:39.53 | markybob | pihhan, apt-get build-dep php5 (or whatever you want. then apt-get source php5. patch. dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc |
| 20:39.58 | Gumby | markybob: sure thing. I dount compile often. I am just being forced to this time as debians mythtv package (well, not official packages as there dont seem to be any) are severly conflicting. |
| 20:40.02 | marstewel | I read something about those and security issues... |
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| 20:41.07 | pihhan | well, simply accept i have to compile, and i have to get rid to error from ld /usr/lib/crt1.o |
| 20:41.24 | sebyte | hi all, quick question... debian 'testing' on an i686 platform... working on the console and want to examine current console font to see if a certain character is available but the command `showcfont' does nothing at all? blinking cursor and... nada! Ctrl-C gets out of it no problem but i can't see my console font :-( any ideas anyone? |
| 20:41.34 | markybob | pihhan, i do accept it. look at what i told you to do. that should work |
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| 20:44.00 | PandaKun | hey |
| 20:44.07 | PandaKun | anyone have any guides to secure a server? |
| 20:44.10 | PandaKun | I read the one at CPanel |
| 20:44.12 | pihhan | markybob, should is the right word |
| 20:44.18 | PandaKun | about APF, BFD, etc. |
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| 20:44.38 | tcsetattr | pihhan, you can type "purple monkey dishwasher" at your shell prompt, and complain that it doesn't work, and whine all day about "removing the error", but you won't get a better answer than "that's not a valid command, quit trying it". |
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| 20:45.00 | markybob | pihhan, what do you want from me? try it first before you talk trash. i'm trying to help you, dont give me crap |
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| 20:45.09 | markybob | PandaKun, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 20:45.50 | PandaKun | thanks marky. |
| 20:45.51 | eeyore- | pihhan: "ld /usr/lib/crt1.o" on its own is fairly stupid ... what is it you're trying to do? |
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| 20:46.01 | pihhan | well |
| 20:46.03 | markybob | PandaKun, no problem |
| 20:46.05 | pihhan | nothing great |
| 20:46.14 | pihhan | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=189172 |
| 20:46.19 | pihhan | there is similar problem i have |
| 20:46.31 | pihhan | but that man is simple problem seems to me |
| 20:46.33 | siezer | i accidently skipped over an information screen while installing a package with apt-get... how do i get to see it again? |
| 20:46.35 | markybob | are you shitting me? all that and you're not even a debian user? |
| 20:46.39 | pihhan | i have more complicated :( |
| 20:46.56 | markybob | siezer, which package? |
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| 20:47.25 | siezer | acidlab |
| 20:47.27 | sebyte | siezer: dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> or apt-get --reinstall <pkg> should do it |
| 20:47.28 | markybob | siezer, dpkg-reconfigure acidlab |
| 20:47.37 | siezer | already tried those |
| 20:47.43 | markybob | siezer, purge. reinstall |
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| 20:47.59 | WE_R_ONE | where would quakeforge be located? |
| 20:48.05 | sebyte | siezer: apt-get --purge --reinstall <pkg> |
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| 20:48.27 | sebyte | siezer: sorry that;s wrong |
| 20:48.31 | pihhan | does exists gcc channel? |
| 20:48.32 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, really? never heard of google? |
| 20:48.45 | sebyte | siezer: apt-get --purge remove then apt-get --reinstall |
| 20:48.46 | maatttt | hi, does exim4 use the split config files or are they just for managing the config but need joining for exim to use ? |
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| 20:49.10 | markybob | maatttt, it uses split config files if you asked it to during install |
| 20:49.12 | sebyte | siezer: apt-get install even!! Doh! |
| 20:49.12 | pihhan | maatttt, exim4 can read them all |
| 20:49.31 | WE_R_ONE | freaking updatedb takes forever and has been idle for like 5 minutes |
| 20:49.35 | markybob | sebyte, get some coffee :) |
| 20:49.36 | WE_R_ONE | so I cannot locate it :( |
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| 20:49.43 | maatttt | right. thanks. |
| 20:49.53 | sebyte | markybob: you said it! |
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| 20:49.58 | siezer | aha! |
| 20:49.59 | siezer | thanks |
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| 20:50.07 | Xenguy | WE_R_ONE: save your $$ for new hardware ;-) |
| 20:50.32 | sebyte | markybob: does showcfont do anything on your console jooi? |
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| 20:50.43 | markybob | sebyte, yes. |
| 20:50.55 | sebyte | markybob: bummer :-/ |
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| 20:51.33 | maatttt | debian mail archive search just b0rked, is there an alternative please ? |
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| 20:52.03 | markybob | maatttt, gooooooogle.... :) |
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| 20:52.49 | sebyte | markybob: that should be gooooggggggggle shouldn't it ;-) |
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| 20:52.52 | maatttt | yeah, google, but I kinda wanted to find a specific post |
| 20:52.56 | markybob | heh |
| 20:53.11 | SimonRaven | try searching via msgid |
| 20:53.18 | markybob | maatttt, no, what i meant was search for debian mailing list archives. then you can search for the post once you find another archive |
| 20:53.28 | PandaKun | hey |
| 20:53.31 | PandaKun | whats the default directory |
| 20:53.33 | PandaKun | to APF logs? |
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| 20:54.05 | maatttt | yeah, course. |
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| 20:55.16 | Miesco | What do I type to see my video controller? |
| 20:55.22 | markybob | lspci ? |
| 20:55.23 | SerajewelKS | Miesco: lspci |
| 20:55.26 | Miesco | thanks |
| 20:55.26 | bpuzon | Hi... Which packet the "sys.types.h" file belongs to? |
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| 20:55.37 | SerajewelKS | !find sys.types.h |
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| 20:55.56 | tcsetattr | that should probably be <sys/types.h> |
| 20:55.56 | bpuzon | I'm trying make menuconfig, but there are no sys/*.h files on my system |
| 20:56.08 | SerajewelKS | !find sys/types.h |
| 20:56.11 | markybob | bpuzon, apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 20:56.11 | PandaKun | yo |
| 20:56.17 | PandaKun | do you know where the default apf log folder is? |
| 20:56.19 | bpuzon | markybob thx |
| 20:56.23 | maatttt | can anyone help with this issue http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=debian-user&m=113136827102766&w=2 |
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| 20:56.51 | maatttt | I'm at a complete loss, I do not know how to progress |
| 20:56.51 | markybob | maatttt, i dont use exim, but have you tried they're irc or mailing list? |
| 20:57.02 | bpuzon | markybob By the way, what's the difference between "package" and "package-dev"? |
| 20:57.03 | astronut | what's the dpkg factoid for udev+mouse? |
| 20:57.04 | maatttt | their irc is v.quite |
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| 20:57.10 | maatttt | v.quiet' |
| 20:57.11 | markybob | bpuzon, one has development files |
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| 20:57.59 | bpuzon | markybob and pure 'package' is just binary set> |
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| 20:58.15 | markybob | maatttt, i'd give their mailing list a shot. or you can keep trying here as the day goes on...maybe someone who uses exim will come around |
| 20:58.15 | PandaKun | !/rpc.statd |
| 20:58.17 | PandaKun | !rpc.statd |
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| 20:58.30 | markybob | bpuzon, yeah. just runtime stuff, really |
| 20:58.35 | maatttt | yeah, now I have a link to my post, I can save a lot of typing. thanks. |
| 20:58.43 | marstewel | IMHO exim should be replaced by postfix in default install |
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| 20:58.58 | bpuzon | markybob second thx :-) |
| 20:59.03 | Ungy | marstewel, ubuntu did it |
| 20:59.04 | markybob | bpuzon, np |
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| 20:59.15 | markybob | marstewel, agreed. but let's not start a holy war :) |
| 20:59.23 | marstewel | lol markybob |
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| 20:59.55 | Ungy | !start smtp war |
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| 21:00.17 | numer | can anyone tell me why dpkg -l ./mypackage.deb does not list me the content of this file? |
| 21:00.20 | Ungy | !start holy war |
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| 21:00.30 | markybob | oh, right, hey....happy veteran's day, all you vets. |
| 21:00.37 | markybob | numer, yes. |
| 21:00.42 | tcsetattr | numer, same reason it doesn't wash your car; that's not what it does. Try dpkg -c |
| 21:00.46 | shining | is it possible to have /usr as a separate partition? |
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| 21:00.56 | markybob | numer, dpkg -l shows for packages already installed |
| 21:01.05 | markybob | numer, so something like dpkg -l gaim |
| 21:01.06 | numer | markybob ohh I see thank you very much |
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| 21:01.21 | markybob | shingouz, yes |
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| 21:02.04 | shining | it seems it fails to boot because of that |
| 21:02.05 | numer | markybob but why isnt this listed in the help? |
| 21:02.09 | S4nD3r | I installed a new CDROM drive, but its not working, how do I install this one ?? |
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| 21:02.25 | markybob | shining, you messed something up. sorry mate. |
| 21:02.34 | rich930 | ur jumpers in da rite place? |
| 21:02.37 | shining | with 2.6.12 kernel at least. with 2.6.14, it can't even find my hard disk |
| 21:02.41 | shining | markybob: no I didn't |
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| 21:02.43 | markybob | numer, unfortunately i'm not all-knowing. that's something i dont know. :) |
| 21:02.44 | rich930 | is it all wired up rite? |
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| 21:02.57 | shining | markybob: I even reinstalled it a second time just to be sure |
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| 21:03.09 | bucky | numer: do you have a sleeping bag? |
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| 21:03.27 | numer | does anyone know a source for libasound2 version above 1.0.8 for woody? |
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| 21:03.40 | markybob | shining, seriously, man. you can have /usr in its own partition. you can have /usr/bin in its own parition. heck, you can have anything in its own parition, as long as you do it right |
| 21:03.46 | tcsetattr | numer, if you want to do something with a *.deb without installing it, you should try dpkg-deb --help |
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| 21:04.00 | bucky | numer: nobody in here has used woody since sarge came out a year ago |
| 21:04.02 | shining | markybob: how could I do it wrong? |
| 21:04.07 | houman_zhu | hi there , i messed up my kernel, im geting this error: Starting system message bus: Failed to start message bus: Failed to create socket, can anyone help me? what part of the kernel config did i mess up? |
| 21:04.17 | markybob | shining, considering i have no idea what you did, i dont know. you didnt even give me an error, you said it doesnt work |
| 21:04.21 | rich930 | how do i set ubuntu as mi default os? |
| 21:04.28 | shining | markybob: I can boot in safe mode, I really don't understand why |
| 21:04.31 | fbi | bucky: i still run woody on the bf24 kernel on one of my older notebooks |
| 21:04.33 | markybob | rich930, ask in #ubuntu |
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| 21:04.46 | numer | bucky but I would need to do a lot of updates in order to use sarge, and there is no need for this |
| 21:04.47 | bucky | rich930: get the ubuntu install cd and /join #ubuntu |
| 21:04.56 | rich930 | k |
| 21:04.57 | shining | markybob: well I try to boot in normal mode, I see a lot of errors about libraries not found |
| 21:04.58 | siezer | rich930 edit your grub config |
| 21:05.12 | markybob | shining, your fstab file is probably wrong |
| 21:05.19 | shining | markybob: I thought these libraries could be in /usr which is not mounted |
| 21:05.22 | rich930 | how? : type grub in a terminal then configfile?? |
| 21:05.23 | shining | I'm not sure though |
| 21:05.36 | shining | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.37 | shining | /dev/sdc5 /usr ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 21:05.48 | shining | /dev/sdc5 on /usr type ext3 (rw) |
| 21:06.00 | markybob | rich930, no. nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst ...but go into #ubuntu for more help |
| 21:06.22 | rich930 | rite thnks |
| 21:06.22 | sgeigerbot | Why isn't this enough to get a *totally* silent installation of autossh and the associated packages (including ssh)? "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get --reinstall install -y --force-yes autossh" |
| 21:06.22 | shining | I can boot in recovery mode fine |
| 21:06.30 | PandaKun | hey |
| 21:06.33 | markybob | shining, really? you have the same partition listed twice in fstab? |
| 21:06.34 | PandaKun | should i turn off portmap |
| 21:06.39 | PandaKun | and lpd |
| 21:06.44 | shining | markybob: second is output of mount |
| 21:06.57 | sgeigerbot | PandaKun: If you don't use something, you should turn it off. |
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| 21:07.16 | PandaKun | yeah but i dont know what they d |
| 21:07.20 | PandaKun | that's what im trying to figure out sgeig |
| 21:07.23 | markybob | shining, i have /usr in its own partition: /dev/sda6 /usr reiserfs defaults 0 2 |
| 21:07.29 | sgeigerbot | PandaKun: Be sure to use tab-completion of nicks...otherwise I may not see what you type to me. (My regexes won't find everything! ...and if they did, I might as well use cat! Do you grep me?) |
| 21:07.33 | markybob | shining, again, i'm not pulling your leg. i dont know where you went wrong |
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| 21:07.39 | PandaKun | alright sgeigerbot |
| 21:07.40 | sgeigerbot | PandaKun: Google |
| 21:07.45 | PandaKun | that's what im doing. |
| 21:07.48 | shining | markybob: you're running sarge? |
| 21:07.48 | PandaKun | its just aking to long. |
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| 21:08.08 | markybob | shining, i'm on an unstable desktop. i do have a sarge server that does the same thing, though. |
| 21:08.22 | rich930 | i have ubuntu 5.10 for 64 bit cpu but mine isnt that suks! :9 but i have one that runs on a crappier cpu though |
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| 21:08.34 | rich930 | for n e one thats interested |
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| 21:08.47 | shining | markybob: hmm |
| 21:08.49 | markybob | rich930, dude, seriously. this isnt #ubuntu. please. |
| 21:08.52 | houman_zhu | i seriously think you should go to #debian |
| 21:09.05 | rich930 | k |
| 21:09.17 | Ungy | houman_zhu, you mean #ubuntu |
| 21:09.24 | Ungy | I hope |
| 21:09.25 | PandaKun | what's bind9? |
| 21:09.28 | shining | markybob: well it's weird |
| 21:09.29 | houman_zhu | i keep mixing these two together all the time, haha |
| 21:09.31 | Ungy | a dns server |
| 21:09.33 | PandaKun | ahh |
| 21:09.37 | markybob | shining, what does your / look like? |
| 21:09.38 | mhall | Which of the Flash reimplementation plugins works the best in Firefox? The official plugin is so god damn fucking buggy that it gets stuck in gettimeofday() infinite loops and locks up Firefox. I've had it with this non-free worthless shit browser plugin. |
| 21:09.38 | shining | markybob: I really don't know what's wrong |
| 21:09.39 | PandaKun | should i keep it on? |
| 21:09.43 | PandaKun | Ungy |
| 21:09.48 | Ungy | PandaKun, is it causing you problems |
| 21:09.50 | shining | markybob: in fstab or mount? |
| 21:09.53 | PandaKun | nope. |
| 21:09.53 | markybob | shining, fstab |
| 21:09.56 | PandaKun | i'm just trying to secure my box. |
| 21:09.58 | PandaKun | by shutting off useless serviecs. |
| 21:10.11 | shining | /dev/sdc1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 21:10.12 | Ungy | PandaKun, if it's not broken why screwing around with it |
| 21:10.16 | fbi | PandaKun: don't just shut them off. purge the packages if you don't need them. |
| 21:10.31 | Ungy | PandaKun, well I never heard of any bad security holes in DNS |
| 21:10.40 | PandaKun | alright lol |
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| 21:10.42 | PandaKun | how about portmap? |
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| 21:10.55 | houman_zhu | whats IPv6? |
| 21:10.59 | markybob | houman_zhu, google |
| 21:11.04 | houman_zhu | :( ok |
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| 21:11.21 | markybob | PandaKun, if you want to secure your box, put bind9 in a chroot |
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| 21:11.57 | PandaKun | hmm. |
| 21:12.12 | Thumper__ | leave |
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| 21:12.31 | markybob | PandaKun, the document i sent you shows how, among other things. read that and you'll be ok |
| 21:12.37 | PandaKun | yeah im readingi t now marky |
| 21:12.38 | shining | markybob: how do I get further information about what's wrong? when I boot, it scrolls too fast, and even the last things I see, I can't copy/past them |
| 21:12.46 | PandaKun | imma remove lpd |
| 21:12.47 | PandaKun | is that safe? |
| 21:12.48 | markybob | PandaKun, even talks about the portmap that you've been asking about |
| 21:12.51 | Ryouko | woo hoo! I just finished what I have been truying to set up, what else is there fun to do on linux |
| 21:13.00 | PandaKun | ahh |
| 21:13.02 | PandaKun | i didnt finish reading it |
| 21:13.09 | PandaKun | lpd is safe to remove correct? |
| 21:13.12 | PandaKun | its a print spooler. |
| 21:13.13 | numer | when I look for packages with apt-cache search blapackage, does anyone know how to find out which version of blapackage this is? |
| 21:13.27 | markybob | PandaKun, yes. do whatever you want if you're not printing and it is just a server |
| 21:13.31 | houman_zhu | Ryouko: make anotehr partition on your hd and install gentoo, that ought to keep you busy for a while |
| 21:13.39 | markybob | shining, shining did you compile your own kernel? |
| 21:13.50 | shining | markybob: not yet |
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| 21:14.09 | Ryouko | nah, I have my hdd very well organized |
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| 21:14.22 | markybob | shining, you really didnt do anything? just created your partitions in install, installed, rebooted and it didnt work? |
| 21:14.29 | shining | markybob: after my first install, I compiled my own kernel, but when I tried to reboot on it, I think it oopsed. or it crashed at least |
| 21:14.39 | klausi | i want to uninstall gnomemeeting and when i mark it for uninstall it says gnome and gnome desktop have to be makred? |
| 21:14.44 | shining | markybob: I can boot just after the install |
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| 21:15.09 | markybob | shining, then what happened? if you booted after the install, something obviously got messed up afterwards |
| 21:15.14 | shining | markybob: then I go on the installation, and when I try to reboot a second time, it doesnt work |
| 21:15.22 | numer | does anyone know how to find out versionnumbers of packages searched by apt-cache? |
| 21:15.23 | markybob | klausi, dont worry, those are meta packages. you'll be fine. |
| 21:15.24 | shining | markybob: yes, I really don't know what it's |
| 21:15.27 | markybob | klausi, you'll still have gnome |
| 21:15.32 | Ryouko | houman_zhu: I installed debian cause I liked it the first time around, I wish I could remember all the times I have said, aww, I wish I had linux |
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| 21:15.45 | adioe3 | Q: How to change the default font wine uses? |
| 21:15.47 | markybob | numer, apt-cache show foo |
| 21:15.48 | PumpkinPie | anyone have a co-located server |
| 21:15.54 | markybob | PumpkinPie, yes |
| 21:15.59 | houman_zhu | do i need IPv6support enabled in my kernel? |
| 21:16.03 | shining | markybob: I just finish the installation like I'm used to do it, and did succesfully many times |
| 21:16.03 | markybob | houman_zhu, no |
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| 21:16.49 | houman_zhu | markybob: but i read the wiki page and it says its the internet protocal thingie, so i thoguth i might need it |
| 21:16.51 | markybob | shining, i'm hoping your hd isnt going bad. you should try seeing if an install with only / and swap work |
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| 21:17.02 | markybob | houman_zhu, trust me, if you dont know, you dont need it. |
| 21:17.10 | shining | maybe |
| 21:17.20 | markybob | houman_zhu, if you're not the government or some big university doing testing, you dont need it |
| 21:17.40 | shining | markybob: what does the single boot option do? |
| 21:17.44 | houman_zhu | markybob: well the reason im asking is because i cant boot into my custom kernel i get these errors: Starting system message bus: Failed to start message bus: Failed to create socket "/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket": Address family not supported by protocol |
| 21:18.02 | PumpkinPie | markybob: private message ? |
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| 21:18.10 | markybob | houman_zhu, dbuz has absolutely nothing to do with internet protocols. honestly, please, dont compile your own kernel if you dont know that |
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| 21:18.26 | linux-noob | My GNOME just froze... any suggestions? |
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| 21:18.32 | markybob | PumpkinPie, sure |
| 21:18.39 | markybob | linux-noob, ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 21:18.53 | houman_zhu | markybob: i recompiled the kernel and i only changed a few things including th eip6v thing, thats why i suspected it to cause the error |
| 21:18.55 | markybob | linux-noob, or ctrl+f2 then /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 21:19.03 | markybob | linux-noob, i meant ctrl+alt+f2 |
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| 21:19.47 | linux-noob | I'm sry brain fart... the computer responds to key stroke and mouse movement but not mouse clicks |
| 21:19.56 | shining | markybob: another thing : debian doesn't use udev by default? |
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| 21:20.08 | houman_zhu | markybob: i mean my custom kernel was working fine until today when i decided to recompile it |
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| 21:20.26 | markybob | shining, sarge doesnt |
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| 21:20.36 | shining | markybob: etch and sid do? |
| 21:20.38 | markybob | houman_zhu, i know. that's why i said dont fuck with a custom kernel |
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| 21:20.59 | houman_zhu | markybob: :( ok |
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| 21:21.05 | markybob | shingouz, that's not an answerable question since sid isnt a released distro. it has udev, though. |
| 21:21.14 | rl | buenas |
| 21:21.25 | shining | I mean right now |
| 21:21.41 | shining | if you upgrade to sid, will it use udev by default |
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| 21:21.54 | websdale | houman_zhu: I used to compile my own kernels but I think Debian renders it uneccessary & needlessly risky |
| 21:21.55 | fbi | !tell rl about es |
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| 21:22.04 | markybob | shining, you have to manually get a 2.6 kernel and then install udev. |
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| 21:22.08 | shining | or if it doesn't, you just have to install udev to get it working? |
| 21:22.15 | shining | ha |
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| 21:23.06 | sgeigerbot | websdale: Umm...I can't say I'm a kernel expert or anything (and especially not on Debian kernels), but I can't imagine that Debian compiles modules for everything I want to use. |
| 21:23.07 | shining | I'll build a custom kernel then |
| 21:23.26 | markybob | shining, sid's 2.6 kernels come with udev |
| 21:23.43 | houman_zhu | websdale: everytime i ask a question people tlel my "dont touch the kernel you n00b" the reason i decided to compile a kernel is because people with my laptop cant get the stock kernels to work, after much research on linux laptop i realized i had to compile a kernel, and i just used their config file, i mean the stock 2.6 wouldnt even boot |
| 21:23.53 | markybob | shining, but sid doesnt even have a default kernel, which is why i couldnt answer if sid comes with udev by default. there's no default. using sid you get what you want |
| 21:24.09 | websdale | sgeigerbot: sure there's bound to be exceptions - but most of the time its not neccessary |
| 21:24.09 | Ryouko | I plan on trying to recompile the kernel... because I want to learn how, should I try to do it with the version I am using now, or the new 2.6 something version? |
| 21:24.16 | shining | markybob: but with etch, it's the same? |
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| 21:24.51 | markybob | shining, dude, there is no etch yet, so yes. when there actually is an installer for etch and they decide on a default kernel and packages, then we'll be able to answer that |
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| 21:25.35 | shining | since I'm just installing debian, I'm obviously talking about the current state of etch/sid :) |
| 21:25.35 | fbi | there is an installer for etch. |
| 21:26.03 | websdale | Ryouko: That's why I used to compile it - to learn how to plus I was using RedHat 6 & I wanted 2.4 instead of 2.2.5 |
| 21:26.26 | Ryouko | so should I use the new one |
| 21:26.29 | Ryouko | or my cu=rrent one |
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| 21:26.37 | markybob | shining, you're installing with a sarge 3.1 cd, correct? |
| 21:26.44 | shining | markybob: no |
| 21:26.44 | lightbright | if I want microphone to record, in KMix, should the mic select be a yellow light or red light? |
| 21:26.53 | markybob | shining, what are you using? |
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| 21:27.09 | shining | markybob: a recent etch install cd |
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| 21:27.29 | markybob | shining, didnt dawn on you to say you werent using the stable install? dude :) |
| 21:27.31 | websdale | Ryouko: which Debian version are you using? |
| 21:27.32 | blondie | lightbright: no, blue |
| 21:27.49 | lightbright | blondie: It doesnt change to blue |
| 21:28.03 | shining | markybob: ha, sorry. I wasn't sure it has to do with the installer |
| 21:28.04 | markybob | shining, here, seriously...install using sarge. use "linux26" on the boot command. then upgrade to etch using apt-get, if that's what you want |
| 21:28.05 | blondie | sorry I was being silly and unhelpful |
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| 21:28.37 | lightbright | blondie: can you record using your microphone? |
| 21:28.47 | blondie | I don't have a microphone |
| 21:28.50 | markybob | shining, honestly, though, testing is in rough shape right now. you'd probably be better off upgrading to sid if you *need* to upgrade from sarge |
| 21:28.50 | shining | markybob: since I was able to boot the first time, I thought the installer did its job fine, but I'll do as you said. thanks |
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| 21:29.14 | markybob | shining, testing's in rough shape. i'd upgrade to sid if upgrade at all. keep that in mind |
| 21:29.19 | shining | markybob: hmm yep I noticed a weird problem with etch |
| 21:29.26 | Ryouko | websdale: the kernel is 2.4.27 |
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| 21:29.32 | shining | with apt-get |
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| 21:29.44 | shining | I've sid on my laptop, and it's working perfectly |
| 21:29.56 | websdale | Ryouko: I mean sarge , etch etc.? |
| 21:30.01 | Ryouko | sarge |
| 21:30.03 | markybob | shining, so do that. sarge then apt-get to sid. if you cant/wont deal with sarge, that is |
| 21:30.04 | astronut | is there an xorg version of xfree86-driver-synaptics? |
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| 21:30.27 | markybob | astronut, yes |
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| 21:30.49 | valdyn | astronut: you have xorg installed? |
| 21:30.58 | astronut | valdyn: yes, the sarge backprot |
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| 21:31.05 | astronut | markybob: yes...it's for my laptop |
| 21:31.14 | valdyn | astronut: apt-cache show xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 21:31.17 | shining | markybob: maybe I shouldn't, but with the distribs I used in the past, I got the bad habit of wanting current package :p though I don't need them most of the time |
| 21:31.18 | astronut | err, sorry, wrong channel |
| 21:31.20 | astronut | valdyn: i did |
| 21:31.31 | valdyn | astronut: and what does the description say? |
| 21:31.32 | markybob | shining, i hear ya |
| 21:31.49 | astronut | this package provides an input driver for the xfree86 x server to enable advanced features of the synaptics touchapd..... |
| 21:31.53 | websdale | Ryouko: theres no problem with 2.6 in sarge but maybe you'd be best off using your existing kernel first then porting the settings over to 2.6 when 2.4.27 is working OK |
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| 21:32.16 | numer | does anyone know in which kernel the module snd_bt_sco is available? |
| 21:32.17 | valdyn | astronut: Description: Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org/XFree86 server |
| 21:32.27 | astronut | valdyn: not in sarge |
| 21:32.37 | numer | mhh |
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| 21:32.43 | Ryouko | websdale: well mine is working fine now, with 2.4.27 but I am clueless as to how to port the settings over |
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| 21:32.49 | astronut | ok, so i need the sid version |
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| 21:32.53 | jshriver | greetings :) big question |
| 21:33.14 | markybob | wow. a big question. |
| 21:33.17 | jshriver | I'm setting up a cluster at home, most of the nodes/computers dont have a DVD drive or many peripherals.. |
| 21:33.29 | jshriver | I have the 2 DVD's for the latest Debian.. |
| 21:33.37 | valdyn | astronut: i guess all that changed is the description |
| 21:33.41 | jshriver | is it possible to setup my own debian-apt server so I can apt-get frmo it |
| 21:33.46 | jshriver | I dont have net access at home. |
| 21:33.50 | markybob | jshriver, yes |
| 21:33.51 | astronut | valdyn: and it's dependencyt |
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| 21:33.59 | valdyn | astronut: true |
| 21:34.01 | jshriver | I could just dump the files to my main box, and let the rest of the boxes install frfom it |
| 21:34.14 | Muadd | hi, how can i import video from a sony dcr-hc21 handycam throw usb connection? |
| 21:34.17 | jshriver | how? or where cna I get info on doing it |
| 21:34.21 | valdyn | astronut: backport the sid package ( /msg dpkg simple sid backport ) |
| 21:34.24 | markybob | jshriver, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 |
| 21:34.29 | jshriver | thx |
| 21:34.32 | houman_zhu | markybob: so is there any way you can let me know why i get that error regarding the dbus? i wont mess with my kernel if i can get it to work again |
| 21:34.33 | markybob | np |
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| 21:34.50 | astronut | valdyn: i'll see if it's installable first |
| 21:34.58 | websdale | Ryouko: its not too difficult - most are the same, but you should read the relevant HOWTO's - Compiling your kernel the "Debian" way with kpkg is best by far |
| 21:35.00 | markybob | houman_zhu, no, i dont know what all you did. boot into the previous kernel |
| 21:35.04 | Ryouko | jshriver: just wondering, but how mnay computers is it |
| 21:35.21 | valdyn | astronut: it isnt, it needs the new libc6, so backport it |
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| 21:35.28 | astronut | ah |
| 21:35.30 | astronut | phh |
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| 21:36.05 | houman_zhu | markybob: thanks anyways |
| 21:36.22 | maatttt | do I need to do an `/etc/init.d/exim4 restart` after `/etc/init.d/exim4 reload` ? |
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| 21:36.55 | markybob | maatttt, no |
| 21:36.59 | shining | maatttt: choose between both |
| 21:37.18 | maatttt | Does restart rebuild the config ? |
| 21:37.19 | markybob | maatttt, releod reloads the config and exim is good to go. restart actually shuts down the server and starts it back up. |
| 21:37.33 | markybob | maatttt, if all you did was change config, just use reload. forget about restart |
| 21:37.43 | astronut | why is apt freezing at '[Waiting for headers]' |
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| 21:37.46 | marstewel | at least as in postfix, a restart is only required with interface changes |
| 21:37.52 | maatttt | ok, thanks. appreciated. |
| 21:38.04 | valdyn | astronut: it probaqbly isnt, but its waiting for the server to respond |
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| 21:38.22 | Pons- | a friend of mine has already installed debian stable but he wants to upgrade to testing.. he already changed his apt sources and did apt-get dist-upgrade but he did a big mess and ended making the system unusable .. any advises?? |
| 21:38.37 | valdyn | Pons-: reinstall |
| 21:38.49 | markybob | Pons- reinstall. testing is in a horrible state right now. should've asked in here first |
| 21:38.52 | bucky | Pons-: what did he change in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 21:39.02 | Pons- | stable to testing |
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| 21:39.34 | Pons- | and unstable? how it is? |
| 21:39.40 | Pons- | *is it |
| 21:39.41 | marstewel | unstable is unstable |
| 21:39.58 | marstewel | can render your system unusable |
| 21:39.58 | valdyn | Pons-: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 21:40.18 | Pons- | y used it |
| 21:40.20 | markybob | Pons- reinstall, wait for testing to calm down, then upgrade if you have to. |
| 21:40.20 | Pons- | I * |
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| 21:40.29 | houman_zhu | how can i look at the available modules for a kernel? is there a directory? |
| 21:40.39 | markybob | Pons- /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 21:40.54 | marstewel | houman_zhu: cat /proc/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep | cut -d ":" -f 1 |
| 21:40.59 | marstewel | argh |
| 21:41.02 | houman_zhu | thanks |
| 21:41.03 | valdyn | Pons-: dist-upgrading is _always_ dangerous, even if someone wants to run testing software, blindly dist-upgrading is a bad idea |
| 21:41.04 | marstewel | not proc lol |
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| 21:41.22 | marstewel | cat /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep | cut -d ":" -f 1 |
| 21:41.23 | Pons- | and just upgrade? |
| 21:41.23 | markybob | marstewel, i was wondering wtf for a second :) |
| 21:41.35 | WE_R_ONE | wewt!! I love quake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 21:41.44 | markybob | Pons- no. dont do anything with testing right now. anything. it's in a horrible state |
| 21:41.45 | houman_zhu | i was also wondering when you compile a new kernel and you compile a whole bunch of stuff as modules why does /etc/modules stay the same? am i suppose to change it? how do the new modules get loaded if /etc/modules dont change automatically? |
| 21:41.49 | marstewel | markybob: I am working with some shell script and proc currently *g* |
| 21:41.55 | valdyn | Pons-: use brain and read what apt-get would do if you dist-upgrade before hitting Y, plain upgrade is safer yes |
| 21:42.17 | Pons- | why is so horrible? |
| 21:42.29 | marstewel | Pons-: *WHY* would you want to use testing ? |
| 21:42.35 | astronut | valdyn: it aint moving from that |
| 21:42.39 | markybob | pons- it's having serious dependency problems and missing packages. just stay away |
| 21:42.41 | marstewel | is there a GOOD reason for it ? |
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| 21:42.48 | valdyn | astronut: maybe your server isnt reachable |
| 21:42.51 | dirkson | Say- I've got a couple lines in my etc/network/interfaces that don't seem to be working... Would someone mind taking a glance at 'em and telling me what I messed up on? I can paste 'em on #flood. |
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| 21:42.56 | astronut | ftp.us.debian.org.... |
| 21:43.02 | markybob | dirkson, sure |
| 21:43.05 | valdyn | astronut: Ctrl-C, retry, or change mirror ( run apt-setup to do that ) |
| 21:43.06 | Pons- | I already installed testing on some pc's |
| 21:43.13 | astronut | valdyn: already did the first |
| 21:43.14 | marstewel | Pons-: why ? |
| 21:43.19 | astronut | will just manually change the file |
| 21:43.25 | houman_zhu | markybob: there is a folder only for the old stock kernel but there is no folder for the new kernel in /lib/modules :| |
| 21:43.28 | trym | anyone out there with syncml experience? |
| 21:43.29 | valdyn | astronut: sure |
| 21:43.34 | markybob | Pons- yes, and testing isnt usually as fucked as it is now. |
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| 21:43.43 | markybob | but apparently you're not listening so i'll just shut up |
| 21:43.47 | valdyn | what's fucked with testing anyhow? |
| 21:43.59 | markybob | houman_zhu, yeah, you screwed that up nicely :-) |
| 21:44.02 | marstewel | markybob: I do agree |
| 21:44.24 | houman_zhu | markybob: ok i know , you dont have to rub it in my face :( |
| 21:44.28 | Pons- | i installed it long time ago |
| 21:44.33 | markybob | houman_zhu, after configuring your kernel, use make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image to get a deb of your kernel. then dpkg -i to install it. that's all i'll tell you ;) |
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| 21:44.47 | dirkson | markybob: it's over there, whenever ya' get a break : ) |
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| 21:45.02 | shining | Pons-: just wait until it gets better then, if testing is in a bad state atm |
| 21:45.03 | markybob | houman_zhu, if you cant laugh at yourself...anyway, i gave you a solution |
| 21:45.23 | Ryouko | letting YOU laugh at him, heh |
| 21:45.30 | houman_zhu | markybob: do i need that --initrd? i left it out and it works fine, i get conflicting ideas on that, sme say do makeinitrd and some say leave it in the compile as a flag liek you said , i didnt even include it and it works |
| 21:45.49 | markybob | dirkson, actually, i cant help you out there. i dont know ppp on linux |
| 21:45.59 | Pons- | thx guys |
| 21:46.10 | QrX | how do i enable acpi ? |
| 21:46.13 | houman_zhu | markybob: i know :) im not mad or anything thanks , in #debian i get people putting me down but at least i get good advice :) |
| 21:46.16 | shining | houman_zhu: if you made a custom kernel config, with the things you need at boot built in, then you don't need initrd |
| 21:46.19 | marstewel | I had PPP on my LPIC examn today :p |
| 21:46.21 | markybob | houman_zhu, you shouldnt need it, no. i was trying to help you out....see...usually when you dont know what you're doing very well, you'll miss stuff in the kernel config that will make it unbootable. initrd will help you prevent that a bit |
| 21:46.23 | dirkson | Ahhh, sorry : ) |
| 21:46.41 | dirkson | Any chance -you- could help me, marstewel? ;) |
| 21:46.49 | marstewel | depends |
| 21:46.53 | valdyn | dirkson: what exactly isnt working? |
| 21:46.58 | QrX | it was disabled automaticlly because bios was to old i flashed the bios and now i want to re enable the acpi |
| 21:47.00 | valdyn | dirkson: like - what is the error message ( if any ) |
| 21:47.06 | houman_zhu | markybob: ok i got it, so it kinda like makes a seperate program for booting or somethign :P |
| 21:47.08 | QrX | how do i do ? |
| 21:47.23 | dirkson | Valdyn: No error message, but when I log on, I'm not connected. |
| 21:47.36 | markybob | houman_zhu, it loads some stuff into memory before trying to load other crap. think of it as a failsafe if you dont know 100% that you did it all right. |
| 21:47.42 | marstewel | dirkson: what about debug level ? |
| 21:47.42 | Ryouko | whats the difference between a hard link and symbolic link |
| 21:47.49 | marstewel | !symlink |
| 21:47.49 | dpkg | Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first |
| 21:47.52 | valdyn | dirkson: ls -l /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial |
| 21:47.55 | marstewel | !hardlink |
| 21:47.55 | dpkg | i guess hardlink is just another directory entry on |
| 21:48.22 | dirkson | Valdyn: Oh. Yeah, that would make sense..... There's actually nothing in that particular file.. |
| 21:48.46 | markybob | houman_zhu, i said nothing about make initrd. i said make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 21:48.49 | dirkson | Marstewel: I'm afraid I'm still a bit too much of a n00b to grasp that one right off the bat |
| 21:48.51 | valdyn | dirkson: peers is supposed to contain 'providers' ( or just one ) |
| 21:48.53 | markybob | houman_zhu, you see the difference, right? |
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| 21:49.02 | valdyn | dirkson: you could just run pppconfig too |
| 21:49.07 | houman_zhu | markybob: yes i udnerstand |
| 21:49.21 | marstewel | valdyn: I was thinking the problem was at a later stage :D |
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| 21:49.25 | dirkson | Valdyn: No, most config tools mess up my ppp configuration. It's very, very unusual. |
| 21:49.41 | dirkson | Right. But when I type wvdial at the terminal, it connects..... Is there any way to duplicate that in /interfaces? |
| 21:49.43 | houman_zhu | markybob: thanks, sorry i have another Q, i read one forum where a guy is having a same problem as me and someone told him: I am pretty sure your problem is due to not having unix sockets support. do modprobe unix, what is this unix module? |
| 21:50.09 | valdyn | dirkson: if you want to custimise your config, you can do that after running pppconfig. But if you want to run a custom mess all around, i cant help you |
| 21:50.26 | markybob | houman_zhu, it's an interface to the unix system |
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| 21:50.46 | jshriver | Ryouko: 6 right now, but I have motherboards and parts for 11 nodes |
| 21:51.00 | marstewel | dirkson: you can use the configtool and afterwards adjust the config (like valdyn suggested); if you are running into problems at that stage you can make use of the debugging options |
| 21:51.12 | dirkson | Valdyn: Fine, fine : ) I can't help but use a custom mess. Linux doesn't even recognize my modem as a modem, took forever to write the script well enough to make it connect |
| 21:51.23 | jshriver | 4 cases, 1 rack mount boxes, the rest are motherboards and a box of parts. Just need to get cases for them |
| 21:51.28 | jshriver | all donated frmo my local Lug |
| 21:51.29 | houman_zhu | markybob: ok, ill do another make menuconfig and see if i can find it, thanks again, PS i know its hard to help a noob who is messing with the kernel so i appreciat eit |
| 21:51.30 | jshriver | :) |
| 21:51.39 | marstewel | dirkson: do you have a "winmodem" ? |
| 21:51.43 | valdyn | dirkson: linux doesnt and cannot know a modem |
| 21:51.44 | Ryouko | jshriver: who needs cases, heh |
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| 21:52.04 | Fackamato | where do modelines go? |
| 21:52.13 | jshriver | lol aye for testing I literally had them setting live on top of a piece of cardboard. So they all work |
| 21:52.13 | Fackamato | in the graphics card device section, or the monitor section= |
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| 21:52.34 | dirkson | Nope. I have a pci device that acts like a usb device. It's basically a cellular modem- Where there's cell phone signal, I can connect at around 800kbits/s |
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| 21:52.39 | phogg | Fackamato: In the display suvbsections |
| 21:52.49 | shining | markybob: before trying to reinstall, do you mind seeing more concret samples of the errors I get ? |
| 21:52.59 | dirkson | It's weird, and not many people use it. Wonderful invention, though. |
| 21:53.01 | phogg | Fackamato: ero, soory. No, it's in the monitor section |
| 21:53.03 | ricochet | can someone tell me why my system is hanging when it gets to starting syslogd? (sid, and hanging I mean a soft hang, keyboard still works) |
| 21:53.13 | abeco | hello, I am trying to install k3b but I can't (on etch), I do apt-get install k3b but it says that depends on some libraries that are not going to be installed, when I try to install them manually, it remove some of them and install another, when I install the others, it removes the previous ones |
| 21:53.16 | abeco | any idea? |
| 21:53.18 | houman_zhu | ok i have one more Q, shoudlnt there be different /etc/modules for different kernels? it doensnt make sense to have 1 for all kernels, what if one of the kernels has somethign as a module and one has it built in? :| |
| 21:53.26 | jshriver | anyone have a quick intro to NFS? |
| 21:53.29 | Ryouko | jshriver: if I had something to do with computers, I would have like for me right now, but I would have nothing to do with a cluster, so I throw them out when i get them |
| 21:53.37 | jshriver | I'm familiar with Samba, but the man nfs didnt yield much |
| 21:53.37 | Fackamato | thanks phogg |
| 21:53.38 | dirkson | Excuse me, it's a pcmcia device, not pci. (my pcmcia connects through a pci bridge, I confused myself :) ) |
| 21:53.39 | valdyn | dirkson: and it understands AT Commands? |
| 21:53.42 | shining | abeco: yes, etch is broken :) just wait |
| 21:53.47 | abeco | I can't install k3b k3blibs libarts1 libopenexr2 libqt3c102-mt kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data at the same time |
| 21:53.50 | jshriver | Ryouko, eeep |
| 21:53.52 | abeco | oops |
| 21:53.55 | dirkson | Basically, yes. They need to be scripted specifically for it, however. |
| 21:54.11 | abeco | can I at least try the woody ones? |
| 21:54.17 | abeco | I have tried but I can't |
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| 21:54.29 | shining | woody is old |
| 21:54.31 | jshriver | I get sad everytime I hear a story about x company tossing out a ton of y computers because of an upgrade. Churches, schools, college guys, researchers could use them. |
| 21:54.41 | abeco | excuse, not woody, sarge |
| 21:54.45 | abeco | my memory... |
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| 21:55.12 | shining | even with sarge, I guess there are some conflicts |
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| 21:55.36 | abeco | can I do something ? (apart from waiting) |
| 21:55.37 | wireddd | how can I convert an oggvorbis audio file back into pcm in the console? |
| 21:55.44 | phogg | when doing an apt-get update I get 'Err ftp://security.debian.org sarge/updates/contrib Packages' ' Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)' along with some more verbose messages saying much the same thing. What's going on? |
| 21:55.44 | valdyn | abeco: reinstall and install sarge |
| 21:55.55 | Fackamato | Which runlevel is default for X in debian? |
| 21:55.57 | Fackamato | 4? |
| 21:56.08 | dirkson | Valdyn, Basically, yes, it does accept AT commands. They need to be scripted specifically for it, however. |
| 21:56.10 | GaveUp | ok so i'm trying to get oidentd forwarding requests to masqed machines. I have it started with -m -f but when I watch the logs as a request comes in it just errors on NO-USER instead of forwarding it on to the masq'd machine ... any ideas where I could be going wrong? |
| 21:56.17 | abeco | valdyn: well, better not, thanks |
| 21:56.17 | jshriver | wireddd can use mencoder but the exact cli arg I dont know |
| 21:56.23 | shining | so I tried to rebuild a custom kernel instead of default debian kernel one, but it didn't help, I still get for example : grep : error while loading shared libraries : libpcre.so.3 not found |
| 21:56.27 | Fackamato | GaveUp --forward 113 |
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| 21:56.34 | Mr-R | Fackamato: 2. its in /etc/inittab |
| 21:56.45 | shining | then I see things like cut or find commands not found |
| 21:56.54 | Mr-R | Fackamato: ups. i did not read your question |
| 21:56.59 | GaveUp | Fackamato: in the firewall conf? |
| 21:57.01 | shining | and then the boot process hangs just after entering runlevel 2 |
| 21:57.08 | Mr-R | Fackamato: there is no different runlevel for X... |
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| 21:57.28 | Fackamato | GaveUp huh? on the router, or thing that runs the foirward oidentd, run oidentd with --masquerade --forward 113 |
| 21:57.30 | abeco | I think I will try stable versions in the future and will install only some packages of the other versions if I need them... |
| 21:57.32 | tcsetattr | wireddd, ogg123 can output to file |
| 21:57.40 | Fackamato | Mr-R I mean what makes it boot up X instead of going to console |
| 21:57.47 | calambury | hola |
| 21:57.57 | shining | abeco: maybe I should do that too :) |
| 21:57.57 | valdyn | abeco: /msg dpkg simple sid backport ( works the same for backporting etch packages ) |
| 21:58.09 | Mr-R | Fackamato: just install a display manager. gdm, xdm or kdm |
| 21:58.16 | Fackamato | Mr-R allright. |
| 21:58.29 | houman_zhu | markybob: oh i found it , i cant boot because i unchecked the "Unix domain sockets" in the networking part of the kernel, apparently a lto of programs including the X window ssytem need it :) oops |
| 21:58.51 | jair | between ipcop and smooth wall what do you guys think? I know iptables is the number one for me. |
| 21:58.56 | GaveUp | Fackamato: -f or --forward 113 give the same error |
| 21:59.01 | markybob | houman_zhu, good. |
| 21:59.12 | marstewel | those are just front-ends for iptables... |
| 21:59.19 | houman_zhu | markybob: thanks again |
| 21:59.22 | abeco | valdyn i'll try thanks |
| 21:59.23 | jair | but I need a solution quick because I do not have the sufficient knowledge to configure all the server security tools on a debian box. |
| 21:59.25 | astronut | valdyn: found the issue...MSS clamping |
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| 21:59.27 | Fackamato | GaveUp how's your network set up? internet > box with oidentd that acts as nat and/or eveything else > switch > computers ? |
| 21:59.32 | markybob | houman_zhu, np |
| 21:59.40 | GaveUp | Fackamato: yes |
| 21:59.49 | jair | marstewel, that is what I was trying to figure out |
| 21:59.51 | blondie | anyone use mdadm? |
| 21:59.58 | shining | blondie: why |
| 22:00.01 | blondie | what's this mean: mdadm: failed to add /dev/hdg1 to /dev/md0: Invalid argument |
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| 22:00.15 | Fackamato | GaveUp how are you launching oidentd on your client machines? |
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| 22:00.26 | shining | blondie: hdg1 does exist? |
| 22:00.33 | blondie | yes |
| 22:00.33 | GaveUp | Fackamato: they're windows machines, but yes they've got identd's running |
| 22:00.39 | blondie | it worked the other day :| |
| 22:00.44 | shining | blondie: which kind of raid is md0 ? |
| 22:00.47 | blondie | think it might have got corrupted |
| 22:00.48 | blondie | 5 |
| 22:00.57 | houman_zhu | markybob: sorry this is my last questions, i have 2 kernels installed right now, one has hd-ide compiled as module one built int, btu because the etc/module has the hd-ide in it even when i boot in the new kernel i get the message fata error iseting ide-hd thing , so i removed them from /tc/modules, but then now i guess i cant login to the old one right? |
| 22:01.04 | shining | blondie: weird |
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| 22:02.01 | markybob | houman_zhu, do you mean ide_disk ? |
| 22:02.34 | Fackamato | GaveUp mine's set up like this: internet > m0n0wall with ./oidentd -m -f 113 > switch > computers. one computer is a server with bnc's, that oine has oidentd also (a must). there oidentd is launched with -P (tells it it's behind a "proxy") |
| 22:02.42 | houman_zhu | markybob: yea and 3 other modules, but the questions can be applied to any module i guess because there arnt seperate /etc/modules for different kernrls installed on one machine right? |
| 22:02.53 | markybob | houman_zhu, right |
| 22:03.10 | GaveUp | Fackamato: yah ... but it's not like you can specify a proxy on windows identd's ... |
| 22:03.17 | GaveUp | Fackamato: just have on/off :/ |
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| 22:03.45 | Xyc0 | Is there a project that allows you to onetime reboot onto another GRUB entry, like say M$usx? |
| 22:03.49 | houman_zhu | markybob: so i was just wondering wouldnt that create problems if we ijnstall a new kernel and at boot the OS tries to inset all the modules in /etc/modules eventhough those modules dont exist in the new kernel :| |
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| 22:04.13 | markybob | houman_zhu, yes. |
| 22:04.55 | Fackamato | GaveUp what are you running on the windows machines? |
| 22:05.07 | houman_zhu | markybob: ok then whats the solution ?:) |
| 22:05.15 | abeco | well it didn't work the manual build of k3b... its a pity, any idea when thi will be corected? |
| 22:05.27 | GaveUp | Fackamato: identd in mirc |
| 22:05.28 | markybob | houman_zhu, being careful. there isnt one |
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| 22:05.50 | houman_zhu | markybob: oh ok, cuz i thoguht im missing something, thanks again |
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| 22:06.21 | Fackamato | GaveUp well that should work, have you set up the firewall rules for oidentd? |
| 22:06.26 | Fackamato | GaveUp what router do you use? |
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| 22:07.09 | GaveUp | Fackamato: yah the firewall allows auth port ... just using nat on the linux box configured via arno's firewall scripts |
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| 22:07.30 | houman_zhu | markybob: if youre wondering why i unchecked without knowing its because my friends in school have gentoo and they always brag about how lean their kernel is, well, i came home and you can guess thre rest , hahaha, i unchecled about everything |
| 22:07.41 | Xyc0 | Is there a project that allows you to onetime reboot onto another GRUB entry, like say M$ux? |
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| 22:08.01 | shining | houman_zhu: don't listen to them, they are using gentoo :) |
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| 22:08.28 | dondelelcaro | Xyc0: it's trivial to do using lilo, but you can also do it by setting the default entry in grub, and then resetting it. |
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| 22:09.05 | houman_zhu | shining: yea the idea is absurd, one of them was bragging how fast his comp is cuz he compiled openofifce in 8 hrs, i told him i installed it in 2 minutes, hahaha |
| 22:09.30 | Xyc0 | dondelelcaro: I meant after you boot into GDM, like i want it to restart and load the other entry with out having to sit there and change the entry manualy |
| 22:09.36 | Coke | I'm having difficulties with "testing", I get a GPG error when tryin to update, but I don't have gnupg installed nor do I want it. Is there a major malfunction in the testing dist right now? |
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| 22:10.10 | shining | I'm starting to understand my problem. finally, when I boot in recovery mode (single), I still see all these errors, but the system boots nonetheless. while in normal mode, it hangs when it tries to launch the first service after runlevel 2 (which isn't launched in single mode) |
| 22:10.17 | dondelelcaro | Xyc0: see grub-reboot |
| 22:10.24 | shining | I still believe /usr is mounted too late during boot |
| 22:10.29 | shining | how can I change that? |
| 22:10.38 | sandman | What is the best method for incremental backup? |
| 22:10.53 | shining | houman_zhu: thats the only thing I didn't compil when using gentoo |
| 22:11.07 | Xyc0 | dondelelcaro: ahhh, ill look at that |
| 22:11.09 | shining | houman_zhu: building ooo is really for retards |
| 22:11.16 | Xenguy | sandman: there are some good solutions around now; rsnapshot is worth a look |
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| 22:11.28 | Xenguy | !backups |
| 22:11.28 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
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| 22:11.35 | shining | no one knows better than me about init process? |
| 22:11.49 | Xenguy | huh |
| 22:11.57 | markybob | shining, i doubt it. my /usr is 6th in fstab |
| 22:12.12 | houman_zhu | shining: i mean i undesdtand building kernels from source, but would it really make a difference if you built firefox? i mena what will eb the performance increase? like 0.1% |
| 22:12.17 | shining | I don't think the place matters |
| 22:12.28 | shining | but when it reads the thing in fstab and mount them |
| 22:12.29 | sandman | Building ooo is for developers. |
| 22:12.29 | Xenguy | shining: apt-get install rconf (if you can), or man update-rc.d |
| 22:12.43 | markybob | shining, watch it boot. it mounts it in order. |
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| 22:13.08 | shining | yep but, I think they are all mounted too late |
| 22:13.12 | abeco | excuse me, do you know another program like k3b to record dvd (please don't say me xcdroast). |
| 22:13.16 | markybob | houman_zhu, no. it's retarded. |
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| 22:13.41 | markybob | abeco, gnomebaker ? |
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| 22:13.43 | shining | Xenguy: rconf? |
| 22:13.50 | mhall_ | How do I convert an OOO document to PDF on the command line? I forgot to do it before leaving my room and I need to print it now. |
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| 22:14.06 | abeco | markybob: thanks, i will try it. |
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| 22:14.21 | shining | Xenguy: I already have rcconf, but I thought it was just for enabling/disabling service :) |
| 22:14.27 | Xenguy | shining: sorry, meant rcconf |
| 22:14.35 | Xenguy | shining: yes |
| 22:14.36 | shining | I already used it for removing netatalk and exim |
| 22:14.37 | shining | ha ok |
| 22:14.39 | houman_zhu | markybob: i saw a funny website recently colleting all the comments that gentoo users made on slashdot, things like : i sit and look at the compile messages on the screen for 6 hours a day and thats gonna mame me a linux guru in no time" |
| 22:14.41 | markybob | mhall_ i've never heard of a way |
| 22:14.52 | Xenguy | shining: so read the other part of my previous response :-) |
| 22:14.59 | shining | ok |
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| 22:15.14 | shining | Xenguy: do you think it's the problem? |
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| 22:15.39 | shirocn | hello there |
| 22:15.44 | Xenguy | shining: dunno, I haven't followed your whole thread I don't think |
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| 22:16.23 | Nwallins | slightly OT, but i don't know where else to ask: if i'm using 10.x.x.x addresses internally, and I have two ethernet segments, and each ethernet segment has < 50 hosts, what are the implications of various subnet masks, say 255.255.255.0 vs 255.255.0.0 ? |
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| 22:17.16 | shining | Xenguy: during boot, I saw this error : grep error while loading shared libraries : libpcre.so.3 not found |
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| 22:17.26 | Nwallins | i don't need a bunch of subnets addresses, nor do i need a bunch of host addresses, so there are a lot of potential masks that will 'work' |
| 22:17.30 | shirocn | .. |
| 22:17.30 | markybob | Nwallins, http://gyrene.com/survival/netmask1.htm google understanding netmasks or introduction to routing |
| 22:17.41 | shining | I also see something like cut not found, and find not found |
| 22:17.52 | Nwallins | i understand them, but i'm curious about how to select among various valid ones |
| 22:17.57 | shining | all these things are in /usr |
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| 22:18.32 | shirocn | somebody know how fix a problem with xfree86 server and a savage driver |
| 22:18.33 | Xenguy | shining: belongs to the package 'libpcre3' |
| 22:18.47 | houman_zhu | shining: did you mount /usr on a different partition? |
| 22:18.47 | shining | Xenguy: I checked, the lib is there |
| 22:18.53 | shining | houman_zhu: yes |
| 22:19.03 | amphi | shining: what problem? |
| 22:19.10 | shining | amphi: I can't boot |
| 22:19.11 | Xenguy | shining: sounds like something got messed up -- what have you changed recently ? :-) |
| 22:19.31 | shining | amphi: I can only boot in recovery mode, and I still see many errors |
| 22:19.37 | shining | like the one I gave |
| 22:19.42 | abeco | markybob: excuse me, does gnomebaker create extensions for windows and linux: iso9660 extended and the other that I don't remember? |
| 22:19.42 | shining | Xenguy: just installed debian |
| 22:19.45 | houman_zhu | shining: if you go in in safe mode can you mount /usr manually? |
| 22:19.54 | shining | houman_zhu: it got mounted alone |
| 22:19.59 | Snadder | hi.. when I get "/proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found" when I run dmsetup status.. what could be wrong then? |
| 22:20.00 | markybob | abeco, yes |
| 22:20.03 | shining | houman_zhu: but too late imo |
| 22:20.06 | abeco | thank you |
| 22:20.08 | Xenguy | shining: something else has changed, and so far you are not telling :-) |
| 22:20.19 | shining | Xenguy: what do you mean? |
| 22:20.29 | amphi | shining: I didn't see it - there is a documented problem and workaround in man savage which can cause X lockups, if that's any use |
| 22:20.42 | Nwallins | markybob: i guess i'm thinking about performance implications, such as minimizing routing table entries and broadcast traffic |
| 22:20.49 | houman_zhu | shining: you tink the problem is that usr gets mounted too late? i dont think so i think the order of how theyre mounted isnt related on how theyre listen on fstab |
| 22:20.50 | amphi | shining: the savage card in my T22 suffered from that |
| 22:20.52 | Nwallins | s/thinking/curious/ |
| 22:21.05 | shining | amphi: you're talking to ? |
| 22:21.21 | Xenguy | shining: heh - AFAICT those kind of errors you are reporting should not happen after just installing; something else must have gone wrong - did it? |
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| 22:21.38 | Fackamato | how do I make X startup at boot, without using gdm, kdm or xdm? |
| 22:21.42 | abeco | markybob: thanks I use gnome and I didn't know about gnomebaker, I always used k3b |
| 22:22.00 | amphi | shining: oops, mis-tab-completing |
| 22:22.05 | markybob | abeco, np. i personally prefer k3b |
| 22:22.07 | shining | Xenguy: yes I believe it worked at first boot, but then I just go on the installation, like installing other packages |
| 22:22.26 | shining | Xenguy: then I tried to reboot, and problems |
| 22:22.37 | shining | hmm maybe it's rcconf |
| 22:22.49 | Snadder | any kernel module required to get device mappers to work? |
| 22:22.52 | markybob | i think it's because you're using testing and testing has gone to hell lately |
| 22:22.52 | shining | I used rcconf, maybe it changed some orders in init |
| 22:22.59 | markybob | that could be |
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| 22:23.13 | Xenguy | shining: sounds like a plausible idea |
| 22:23.18 | Nwallins | is there any reason why two ip addresses on the same network would have differing subnet masks? what about two ips on the same subnet? |
| 22:23.20 | rib | hello |
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| 22:23.28 | shining | but which service mounts the stuff in fstab? |
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| 22:23.33 | rib | someone can help me please |
| 22:23.46 | markybob | rib not if you dont ask a question |
| 22:23.50 | abeco | markybob: but if you have gnome, to run something that needs kdelibs is not very optimal... |
| 22:23.51 | Bianca | hi |
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| 22:24.11 | markybob | abeco, agreed. i find it to be a better application, though. i have a powerful enough computer to deal with the overhead. |
| 22:24.29 | rib | i have some troubleshouting with bind9 |
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| 22:24.54 | abeco | markybob I have too a normal computer, but I preffer that apps load as fast as posible ;) |
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| 22:25.12 | Xenguy | shining: I guess this isn't what you want to hear, but there is always re-install if all else fails |
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| 22:25.26 | shining | Xenguy: I already did it twice :p |
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| 22:25.41 | shining | Xenguy: but I think I ran rcconf after the first succesful boot in both case |
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| 22:26.19 | houman_zhu | does anyone know how to automount usb mass storage devices? i remember mandrake did it automatically and even put an icon on the desktop |
| 22:26.28 | markybob | shining, any reason you used rcconf instead of update-rc.d ? |
| 22:26.42 | markybob | houman_zhu, install hotplug and discover and hal |
| 22:27.00 | houman_zhu | markybob: thanks, |
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| 22:27.08 | shining | markybob: I remember rcconf was friendly and worked before, so I just used that |
| 22:27.09 | markybob | houman_zhu, oh, and gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:27.14 | Xenguy | shining: Well if not that, then you have to reverse the error that rcconf may have caused. I don't really know how to answer your problem about /etc/fstab |
| 22:27.22 | houman_zhu | markybob: got it |
| 22:27.22 | shining | I'm still not sure rcconf is the problem |
| 22:27.33 | Xenguy | shining: agreed |
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| 22:27.41 | Squarepants | hi, i just installed sarge, but i can't listen to midi files. Do i need to set up something/ |
| 22:27.42 | shining | find /etc/rc* -name '*mountall* |
| 22:27.46 | shining | can someone do that? |
| 22:28.11 | tcsetattr | I got /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh |
| 22:28.14 | markybob | same |
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| 22:28.41 | shining | well same here, I don't understand |
| 22:28.42 | Xenguy | shining: /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh |
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| 22:29.15 | markybob | shining, i dont either. no idea why your /usr isnt mounting |
| 22:29.18 | shining | Xenguy: can you post me the ouput for your ls -l /etc/rcS.d/ somewhere? |
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| 22:29.35 | WE_R_ONE | how do you run a .bin file? |
| 22:29.38 | markybob | shining, join #flood |
| 22:29.43 | WE_R_ONE | can you? |
| 22:29.50 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:29.56 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, same way you run any other exec |
| 22:29.57 | repp_ | WE_R_ONE: chmod a+x FuhQuake_Installer_v0.31_linux.bin |
| 22:29.59 | Xenguy | brb |
| 22:30.11 | repp_ | WE_R_ONE: then ./FuhQuake_Installer_v0.31_linux.bin |
| 22:30.43 | Gathond | markybob: assuming its an executable and not the data part of a bin/cue CD image, or some other random chunck of data someone decided to lable .bin :) |
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| 22:31.27 | markybob | shining, that was a crapload :-) |
| 22:31.28 | shining | markybob: thanks |
| 22:31.29 | markybob | Gathond, heh, right :-) didnt think of that. heh |
| 22:31.31 | shining | indeed :) |
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| 22:32.19 | WE_R_ONE | anyidea on what to use for a java client? |
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| 22:32.21 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.43 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, you just want java runtime? |
| 22:32.58 | WE_R_ONE | Searching for Java(tm) Virtual Machine. |
| 22:33.01 | WE_R_ONE | cannot find this |
| 22:33.06 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, /msg dpkg java-package |
| 22:33.08 | houman_zhu | markybob: i installed all of those and still no luck, it doesnt get mounter anyehere :( |
| 22:33.25 | markybob | houman_zhu, did you restart gnome after installing? |
| 22:33.45 | Laibsch | Hi, I need to install the package libglademm-2.4-dev to compile minisip on my testing system. But there are some dependencies which prevent that. aptitude always reverts back to the current state and trying to solve the depency hell by hand was also fruitless. What can I do? |
| 22:33.53 | shining | another thing, is there a way to log the boot output ? |
| 22:34.00 | markybob | Laibsch, testing? |
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| 22:34.44 | bucky | Laibsch: apt-get -f install |
| 22:34.48 | houman_zhu | markybob: i restarted the computer, and if youre wodnering i messsed up the kernel again the dmesg tells when i attach a usb device: usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 22:34.48 | fbi | "testing system" probably means "testing". |
| 22:35.03 | markybob | shining, well, you could see if there's any info in /var/log/dmesg. if /var in it's own parition, too? |
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| 22:35.15 | shining | markybob: yes :p |
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| 22:35.53 | shining | it's the first time I try to have a 'real' partioning scheme. before I just had / and /boot or / only |
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| 22:36.03 | shining | it isnt very succesful :) |
| 22:36.08 | markybob | houman_zhu, system->preferences->removeable drives and media |
| 22:36.25 | Laibsch | markybob: The system runs testing. |
| 22:36.37 | Laibsch | bucky: Thanks, I will try that. |
| 22:36.42 | shining | markybob: maybe it should be added to topic |
| 22:36.52 | markybob | Laibsch, testing dependencies have gone to hell lately. i'm sorry to say. good luck with apt-get -f install. could work |
| 22:36.54 | shining | etch being currently broken |
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| 22:37.12 | houman_zhu | markybob: theyre all checked :S |
| 22:37.29 | markybob | houman_zhu, can you manually mount it or does that not work? |
| 22:37.35 | houman_zhu | ill try now |
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| 22:38.17 | houman_zhu | markybob: this volume manager is cool, i added a line to fstab for mounting my windows partition autimatically, so i guess with this volumee manager thing i can remove that line right? |
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| 22:38.54 | markybob | houman_zhu, no |
| 22:39.20 | Laibsch | markybob: Not going well. Always something that "is not going to be installed" so I specify explicitly to install it. I am up to "apt-get -f install libglademm-2.4-dev libglade2-dev libgtkmm-2.4-dev libgtk2.0-dev libpango1.0-dev xlibs-dev" :-( |
| 22:39.33 | houman_zhu | why not if it does it automatically :| |
| 22:39.44 | markybob | Laibsch, yeah, sorry. wish i could help, but testing is in rough shape and i dont think there's much to do. |
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| 22:40.14 | markybob | houman_zhu, it wont. it does it for removeable drives and media. not random partitions |
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| 22:41.42 | shining | markybob: come back in flood please :) |
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| 22:41.57 | Laibsch | markybob: Is it advisable to upgrade to unstable? What is the reason testing is doing so badly? |
| 22:41.59 | markybob | shining, i'm there |
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| 22:42.53 | markybob | Laibsch, because of missing libs. considering that you dont have many options at this point, unstable an resinstalling seem to be the only options. you'd be doing it at your own risk, of course. not much i can tell you :) |
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| 22:43.01 | markybob | Laibsch, unstable has been working ok for me lately |
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| 22:44.03 | houman_zhu | markybob: ok i got it thanks :) and it seems i cant mount it manually debian:/media# mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/usbdrive/ --i get :-- mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb, |
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| 22:44.38 | markybob | houman_zhu, did you try /dev/sdb1 ? |
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| 22:44.46 | WE_R_ONE | jdk-1_5_0-bin-jrl.zip is what I downloaded from sun |
| 22:44.59 | WE_R_ONE | do I chane the file name to just.bin or should I unzip it? |
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| 22:45.16 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, unzip |
| 22:45.37 | WE_R_ONE | did that |
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| 22:45.48 | houman_zhu | markybob: sdb1 is not in /dev, let me play with it a bit more, i think i messed somethign up, ill try to mount it again |
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| 22:46.13 | markybob | houman_zhu, unplug it. tail -f /var/log/syslog. plug it in. you should see where it puts it |
| 22:46.15 | WE_R_ONE | I just get srcs |
| 22:46.39 | houman_zhu | i found this in dmesg also: Unable to load NLS charset cp437 |
| 22:46.39 | houman_zhu | FAT: codepage cp437 not found |
| 22:46.39 | houman_zhu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.48 | houman_zhu | ops sorry about the muty line message, |
| 22:46.54 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, how'd you even get that file? |
| 22:46.58 | markybob | http://www.java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp |
| 22:47.04 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, then click on linux self-extracting |
| 22:47.07 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, that's the bin |
| 22:47.38 | markybob | houman_zhu, see, stop messing with your own kernel |
| 22:47.57 | Squarepants | hi, i just installed sarge, but i can't listen to midi files. Do i need to set up something/ |
| 22:48.11 | WE_R_ONE | http://java.sun.com/j2se/jrl_download.html <-- that is what I was downloading |
| 22:48.20 | markybob | well, dont. go to what i linked you to |
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| 22:48.32 | WE_R_ONE | yes you are correct this is the file I was looking for thank you |
| 22:48.40 | loxley_ | damn, courutils rules.. i cloned my system disk with no errors at all.. thought it'd be harder :) |
| 22:48.45 | loxley_ | core* even |
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| 22:48.54 | houman_zhu | markybob: this is what it says in the syslog , two lines : creating device node '/dev/sg1' AND creating device node '/dev/sg1' |
| 22:49.02 | gpm | hey guys. there's not a GUI version of aptitude, is there? |
| 22:49.11 | markybob | houman_zhu, so it's /dev/sg1. mount that |
| 22:49.25 | markybob | houman_zhu, how'd you come up with sdb? |
| 22:50.01 | houman_zhu | markybob: i have sata :p so my main is sda |
| 22:50.11 | dmesg | gpm: try synaptic |
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| 22:50.18 | houman_zhu | markybob: mount: /dev/sg1 is not a block device :| im confused now |
| 22:50.23 | cheal | gpm: no, aptitude is considered a GUI. there are other APT frontends than aptitude though, including X ones |
| 22:50.24 | gpm | dmesg: synaptic works with aptitude? |
| 22:50.30 | markybob | houman_zhu, yes, lay off the crack and install a stock debian kernel |
| 22:50.38 | cheal | gpm: more or less |
| 22:50.42 | gpm | cheal: it's not graphical |
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| 22:50.50 | shining | markybob: the grep error happens right after I see "Mounting local filesystems..." |
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| 22:51.00 | cheal | gpm: well, it doesn't do sound neither |
| 22:51.20 | houman_zhu | markybob: no no the stock kenrel doesnt work on my computer, i explain before, only 2.4 works, and that is missing so many feature that i need, kernel space cpufreq scaling and doesnt support my wireless thingie |
| 22:51.23 | shining | markybob: this thing is in mountall.sh . but the grep commands seem to be after the mount one, so I don't get it |
| 22:51.29 | gpm | yeah, but i always thought that being graphical was part of being a gui (last time i checked, it stood for graphical user interface) |
| 22:51.31 | cheal | gpm: aptitude is a problematic manager since it doesn't cooperate well with other APT frontend |
| 22:51.40 | shining | maybe this mount command is failing |
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| 22:51.41 | markybob | shining, i havent a clue what else to tell you. install sarge and upgrade to sid. :) |
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| 22:51.54 | blondie | just use apt-get you wusses |
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| 22:52.05 | gpm | cheal: the thing i like about aptitude is that it uninstall dependencies when you uninstall packages. |
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| 22:52.09 | WE_R_ONE | wusses? |
| 22:52.12 | phogg | blondie: aptitude is the future, apt-get the past |
| 22:52.15 | shining | markybob: one last thing then : grep mount /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 22:52.20 | WE_R_ONE | aptitude testing |
| 22:52.36 | cheal | gpm: other tools like deborphan/debfoster do that |
| 22:52.51 | Xenguy | phogg: the CLI is always waiting for those who dare to explore ;-) |
| 22:52.54 | gpm | cheal: i found them difficult to use... |
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| 22:53.07 | blondie | phogg: poopoo :P |
| 22:53.14 | cheal | !aptitude |
| 22:53.15 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 22:53.20 | phogg | Xenguy: aptitude is CLI |
| 22:53.38 | Xenguy | phogg: no, attitude is ncursese; apt-get is CLI |
| 22:53.43 | phogg | Xenguy: sure it *can* be used in that awful curses mode, but who does that? |
| 22:53.47 | cheal | gpm: aptitude has its advantages, but it has that #299009 bug too |
| 22:53.50 | Xenguy | phogg: er, aptitude |
| 22:54.03 | phogg | Xenguy: aptitude install foo. Try is. |
| 22:54.11 | phogg | s/is/it/ |
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| 22:54.25 | lauro | anyone ever compiled and linked xaw apps under sarge with sucess? I have libxaw/libxaw-dev installed, but I keep getting "cannot find -lXaw" with the linker |
| 22:54.34 | Xenguy | phogg: is there a particular advantage (or pointer to said additional features)? |
| 22:54.35 | lauro | success |
| 22:54.40 | Xenguy | phogg: IOW, why? |
| 22:55.17 | WE_R_ONE | A suitable JVM could not be found. Please run the program again using the option -is:javahome <JAVA HOME DIR> |
| 22:55.43 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, what did you do? downloaded the bin and then what? |
| 22:55.56 | WE_R_ONE | following what dpkg told me |
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| 22:56.01 | phogg | Xenguy: aptitude is (almost) as good as apt-get in CLI interaction. Nobody I know of uses the curses mode. The advantage is that aptitude is being actively improved. |
| 22:56.09 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, tell me what you did |
| 22:56.37 | tcsetattr | lauro, using -L/usr/X11R6/lib? |
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| 22:56.43 | WE_R_ONE | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 22:56.53 | miesco_ | I keep getting this: gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `as' |
| 22:56.54 | lauro | yeah, I added that to the makefile |
| 22:57.00 | Xenguy | phogg: OK, sounds interesting, but I'm still interested in examples of features that apt-get doesn't have (/me scroogles for info) |
| 22:57.17 | phogg | Xenguy: none, yet. But aptitude is the future. |
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| 22:57.30 | phogg | Xenguy: Get Used To It (tm) |
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| 22:58.06 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, ok. so then just use the javahome config for whatever program you're trying to load |
| 22:58.49 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, something like /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/ |
| 22:59.05 | miesco_ | How come I get this when I run ./configure: gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `as' |
| 22:59.19 | miesco_ | Am I suppost to have a program as? |
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| 22:59.27 | markybob | miesco_, that's a good guess |
| 22:59.53 | miesco_ | markybob: Do you know how I can get it? |
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| 23:00.27 | tcsetattr | !b-e miesco_ |
| 23:00.29 | markybob | miesco_, apt-get install binutils |
| 23:00.30 | dpkg | miesco_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 23:00.54 | markybob | miesco_, binutils will give you as, but it would be smart to get build-essential to make sure you have other stuff, too. |
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| 23:01.15 | miesco_ | It says I already go them |
| 23:01.31 | Xenguy | phogg: I will investigate what you are saying; Debian site appears to be supporting what you are saying. Thanks for feedback |
| 23:01.37 | lauro | tcsetattr, I found a lame typo on my makefile, tks |
| 23:02.00 | markybob | miesco_, ls /usr/bin/ shows something? |
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| 23:02.06 | markybob | miesco_, heh |
| 23:02.10 | markybob | miesco_, ls /usr/bin/as, i meant |
| 23:02.18 | WE_R_ONE | ./FuhQuake_Installer_v0.31_linux.bin jave home /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/ |
| 23:02.24 | miesco_ | no such file or directory |
| 23:02.28 | WE_R_ONE | A suitable JVM could not be found. Please run the program again using the option -is:javahome <JAVA HOME DIR> |
| 23:02.31 | markybob | miesco_, so you dont have binutils |
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| 23:03.05 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, no, dude. it's probably like ./FuhQuakeblahblah.bin --javahome /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/ |
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| 23:03.25 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, read the faq for whatever program that is. ./FuQuakfoo.bin --help might tell you how to specify javahome, too |
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| 23:03.47 | lauro | hm, "-ll".. links against which lib? |
| 23:03.55 | houman_zhu | markybob: omg i found the problem, i get this when trying to manually mount the usb : FAT: codepage cp437 not found, thats cuz i unchecked: Codepage 437 (United States, Canada) native language support in the kernel, hahaha |
| 23:04.19 | markybob | houman_zhu, i know. i knew that when you said it couldnt find cp437. :) |
| 23:04.29 | miesco_ | markybob: Yes I do |
| 23:04.30 | houman_zhu | markybob: hten why didnt you tell me :@ |
| 23:05.00 | markybob | houman_zhu, because i told you to install a stock kernel for the tenth time and i thought that you actually listened that time around. i guess not |
| 23:05.07 | miesco_ | Im getting all the binutils-* packages |
| 23:05.14 | tcsetattr | lauro, that'd be the flex support library, probably (the l in -ll stands for "lex", which was the original program which flex replaces) |
| 23:05.20 | miesco_ | like binutils-avr |
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| 23:05.24 | markybob | houman_zhu, if you dont wanna keep getting these kinds of surprises, do yourself the favor. it's not a speed decrease |
| 23:05.27 | houman_zhu | markybob: anywyas i think by the time i get everything working in this machine my gf would have left me and i will have failed all my courses in school |
| 23:05.33 | lauro | thanks again |
| 23:05.37 | markybob | houman_zhu, that's my point :) |
| 23:05.46 | WE_R_ONE | markybob, no info :( |
| 23:05.56 | houman_zhu | markybob: but i wanna have a lean kernel :( it sounds sooo sexy |
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| 23:06.05 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, i dont know that program, so i cant help you. find an irc channel, a mailing list, an faq, something. |
| 23:06.17 | markybob | houman_zhu, so does two naked chicks, but you cant have that, either |
| 23:06.26 | houman_zhu | hahahaah, thats a good one |
| 23:06.32 | miesco_ | WE_R_ONE: Whats wrong |
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| 23:06.45 | markybob | miesco_, he doesnt know how to specify javahome for some quake program |
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| 23:06.46 | WE_R_ONE | ./FuhQuake_Installer_v0.31_linux.bin -is:javahome /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/ |
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| 23:06.53 | WE_R_ONE | .A suitable JVM could not be found. Please run the program again using the option -is:javahome <JAVA HOME DIR> |
| 23:06.56 | miesco_ | WE_R_ONE: Just get quakeforge |
| 23:07.09 | WE_R_ONE | I am going the next step hehe |
| 23:07.17 | miesco_ | How is that the next step? |
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| 23:08.14 | WE_R_ONE | it searches for the Java virtual machine |
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| 23:08.38 | Benbread | I appear to be having a problem with installing KDE with apt - there are missing dependances (kdeedu,...) using ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian testing and the same using stable |
| 23:08.42 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, sure java installed properly? you have /usr/bin/java ? |
| 23:08.49 | miesco_ | What version of GCC should I have? |
| 23:08.57 | markybob | Benbread, yes, testing is going through hell right now. |
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| 23:09.06 | WE_R_ONE | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1082 |
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| 23:09.19 | markybob | Benbread, not much you can do about it. you can upgrade to sid if you really want. sid is doing better |
| 23:09.35 | Vaikz | hello |
| 23:09.36 | miesco_ | ah ha!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:09.37 | Benbread | markybob: Thanks, i'll look into it :) |
| 23:09.45 | miesco_ | I removed binutils, then reinstalled it, now I got as |
| 23:09.47 | WE_R_ONE | yes I have jave in /usr/bin |
| 23:10.23 | cheal | Benbread: *don't* do that |
| 23:10.36 | houman_zhu | markybob: dont be mad but, can i compiled and install a kernel over the existing one? like i go to 2.4, compile and install my new one so i gotta boot like 3 times :| |
| 23:10.40 | cheal | Benbread: which package are you trying to install? |
| 23:11.01 | sgeigerbot | ~+test |
| 23:11.03 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 23:11.03 | miesco_ | onfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 23:11.07 | miesco_ | I get that now |
| 23:11.07 | markybob | houman_zhu, i dont understand what you mean |
| 23:11.29 | markybob | cheal, kde. he's not gonna get kde working with how testing is right now |
| 23:11.33 | Tortel | ~wee |
| 23:11.34 | apt | it has been said that wee is urine |
| 23:11.52 | cheal | markybob: he is. it's 90% OK |
| 23:11.53 | miesco_ | Wait, I think its cause I dont have g++ |
| 23:11.53 | phogg | Where would I find libsigc++-2.0-0c2 ? |
| 23:12.20 | houman_zhu | markybob: if i wana recompile my new kernel (2.6.14.2) i gotta uninstall the existing 2.6.14.2 , then install the new compiled 2.6.14.2, which means i have to login into 2.4 , remove the old one, install the new one and boot to the new one :| i was just wondering if i could remove a runnig kernel and install a new one over it , |
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| 23:12.30 | cheal | markybob: anyway, you'd really want him to confirm he's in the 10% before suggesting something as to go to sid |
| 23:12.34 | WE_R_ONE | ok |
| 23:12.40 | WE_R_ONE | now I need java 1.4 |
| 23:12.43 | markybob | phogg, apt-get install libsigc++-2.0-0c2 |
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| 23:12.48 | cheal | markybob: even then a simple etch/sid mix would be much better |
| 23:12.53 | miesco_ | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 23:12.56 | miesco_ | I get that now |
| 23:13.09 | miesco_ | Where are X includes? |
| 23:13.11 | tcsetattr | xlibs-dev |
| 23:13.11 | phogg | markybob: apt-cache search libsigc++-2.0 # shows no matches |
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| 23:13.31 | phogg | markybob: but hey, yer right. |
| 23:13.42 | markybob | phogg :) |
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| 23:13.59 | phogg | markybob: so the operative question is why it's installable but not listen in my cache |
| 23:14.18 | markybob | phogg, *shrug* |
| 23:14.19 | miesco_ | markybob: I get this: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 23:14.27 | hmakholm | phogg: apt-cache probably interpreted the +'s as regexp metacharacters... |
| 23:14.28 | markybob | phogg, apt-cache show libsigc++-2.0-0c2 gives you stuff, right? |
| 23:14.31 | miesco_ | markybob: Try apt-cache search libsigc |
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| 23:15.00 | hmakholm | miesco_: Do you have xlibs-dev installed? |
| 23:15.15 | Benbread | markybob: I set the resp to unstable and it found the KDE packages, thanks :D |
| 23:15.23 | markybob | Benbread, my pleasure |
| 23:15.41 | markybob | Benbread, for future reference, check in here before you upgrade stuff in testing to make sure testing is doing ok |
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| 23:16.05 | miesco_ | markybob: THanks, that makes me install like 20 packages |
| 23:16.28 | duethomin | can anyone get a lynksys wpc45g v3 notebook adapter to work with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:16.32 | markybob | miesco_, thanks for what? what did i tell you to install? |
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| 23:16.44 | markybob | duethomin, what chipset does that use? |
| 23:16.46 | miesco_ | markybob: xlibs-dev |
| 23:16.48 | Benbread | markybob: Sure :) - testing in some serious trouble? |
| 23:16.51 | markybob | miesco_, no i didnt |
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| 23:16.59 | cheal | Benbread: FYI, the next time your system breaks, this is here you'll have done it |
| 23:17.00 | markybob | Benbread, currently, yes |
| 23:17.12 | duethomin | markybob, i'd have to look. i think a broadcom, but i'm not sure |
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| 23:17.14 | cheal | Benbread: never as much as sid |
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| 23:18.03 | tcsetattr | I wish there was a "apt-get install-all-the-dev-packages-corresponding-to-the-lib-packages-which-are-currently-installed" ... it'd save a lot of trouble. |
| 23:18.04 | markybob | duethomin, http://linux-bcom4301.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:18.12 | miesco_ | tcsetattr: Okay thanks |
| 23:18.19 | duethomin | markybob, thanks, i'll check it out |
| 23:18.23 | Benbread | cheal: sid seems be be working ok at the mo though |
| 23:18.54 | cheal | Benbread: yeah, that must be why there are over 1000 RC bugs against it |
| 23:18.55 | shining | tcsetattr: yes sometimes I find it quite annoying when I try to compile something manually |
| 23:19.15 | Benbread | cheal: but it's letting me install KDE 3.4 ;0 |
| 23:19.19 | Benbread | *;) |
| 23:19.23 | cheal | Benbread: just like etch |
| 23:19.30 | markybob | Benbread, that's kinda my point. do you wanna stick with testing and have it not work, or go to sid and have it work? sure, you might have problems later, but you'll figure those out then. you need a working system now, which isnt happening with testing |
| 23:19.44 | phogg | markybob: yes, apt-cache show libsigc++-2.0-0c2 does list the package. Thanks. |
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| 23:19.48 | shining | btw about my problem, it seems the mountall.sh service is started, but that nothing is mounted, so there is a problem with this file |
| 23:19.54 | Benbread | cheal: I'm having problems with etch and KDE |
| 23:20.02 | cheal | Benbread: which ones? |
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| 23:20.14 | Benbread | cheal: missing dependancies |
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| 23:20.24 | cheal | Benbread: for what package(s)? |
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| 23:20.50 | cheal | markybob: please stop recommending newbies with simple problems to go to sid |
| 23:21.06 | WE_R_ONE | how do I remove the old version of java? |
| 23:21.08 | markybob | testing dependencies CURRENTLY is not simple problems |
| 23:21.23 | markybob | cheal, and no offense to you, but i'll give the advice that i think is needed |
| 23:21.35 | cheal | and I meant "sid-newbies", not newbies in general |
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| 23:22.21 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.21 | WE_R_ONE | dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in |
| 23:22.25 | tcsetattr | shining, you've been going on about mountall for a while now, but I haven't seen the main question. What's wrong with it? Whatever it is, are you sure it's not just a typo in fstab? |
| 23:22.39 | WE_R_ONE | hmmm :( |
| 23:22.47 | cheal | WE_R_ONE: it's as the message says. use dpkg -l *java* to find the package name |
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| 23:23.00 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, seriously, dude. the package name is sun-j2re1.5 |
| 23:23.01 | WE_R_ONE | dpkg -r sun-j2re1.5 |
| 23:23.22 | cheal | WE_R_ONE: ok then |
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| 23:23.44 | G | markybob, going to sid would be worse than keeping with testing, because it's gonna be super hard IIRC to go back once it's all fixed |
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| 23:24.18 | markybob | G the man needs a desktop environment now, not in two weeks once testing is fixed. |
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| 23:24.38 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to specify a specific dhcp server to use in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:24.56 | cheal | markybob: I asked the man twice which packages were problematic and he couldn't answer. KDE in testing works |
| 23:25.04 | Frankablu | What is the c/gtk gui designer called? anjute or something like that? |
| 23:25.41 | markybob | Frankablu, anjuta |
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| 23:25.52 | eliteforce | hey |
| 23:25.52 | Gumby | I am trying to get mysql working but I am having the following issues.... |
| 23:25.54 | Frankablu | markos_: Thanks |
| 23:25.55 | Gumby | Setting up mysql-server (4.0.24-10) ... |
| 23:25.55 | Gumby | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found. |
| 23:26.14 | Gumby | apt-file search /etc/init.d/mysql returns mysql-server |
| 23:26.34 | eliteforce | what do i have to configure to make sending emails with php's mail function work? the function returns true (successful) but the receiver doesnt get the mails |
| 23:26.37 | SerajewelKS | aren't initscripts treated like configuration files? |
| 23:26.54 | SerajewelKS | so if you rm'ed the initscript in a previously install it won't be reinstalled? |
| 23:27.07 | SerajewelKS | eliteforce: then it's a problem with the MTA |
| 23:27.29 | miesco_ | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 23:27.36 | miesco_ | What package do I need to install for that? |
| 23:27.41 | eliteforce | SerajewelKS: i have sendmail installed |
| 23:28.00 | Gumby | SerajewelKS: it appears that way. |
| 23:28.01 | markybob | miesco_, try kde-devel |
| 23:28.06 | Gumby | SerajewelKS: any idea how I might get it back/ |
| 23:28.08 | miesco_ | markybob: Okay |
| 23:28.22 | SerajewelKS | Gumby: dpkg knows.. i forget the exact factoid |
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| 23:28.31 | SerajewelKS | it's like apt-get --install-missing or something |
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| 23:28.38 | SerajewelKS | Gumby: check the manpage.. might have the option there |
| 23:28.42 | elvirolo | hi akk |
| 23:29.03 | elvirolo | does anyone knwo if packages for KDE 3.5 RC1 will be availible? |
| 23:29.07 | markybob | gumby want mine? |
| 23:29.13 | tcsetattr | !confmiss |
| 23:29.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 23:29.27 | miesco_ | markybob: If I setup my Canon i350 printer with a driver like BPD 350 or something, and test print, should the printer do ANYthing even if its the wrong driver? Its a USB printer and I clicked on USB://canon/i350 for the printer device |
| 23:29.49 | Gumby | markybob: I could probably just grab it from one of my other boxes. thanks though |
| 23:30.18 | WE_R_ONE | ./FuhQuake_Installer_v0.31_linux.bin -is:javahome /usr/lib/j2re1.4-sun/ |
| 23:30.20 | WE_R_ONE | successful!! |
| 23:30.28 | markybob | miesco_, it all depends. are you using cups? |
| 23:30.36 | markybob | WE_R_ONE, good. |
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| 23:30.39 | miesco_ | markybob: Yes |
| 23:30.47 | markybob | miesco_, what'd you use to set it up? |
| 23:30.57 | miesco_ | markybob: KDE Control Center |
| 23:31.10 | markybob | miesco_, see anything in cups logs? |
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| 23:31.44 | miesco_ | markybob: It didn't give an error or anything, said it was sent to the printer sucessfully, where is the cups logs? |
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| 23:32.24 | markybob | miesco_, check in /var/log/ |
| 23:32.24 | remedy_ | hi, i have a debian box with two nics.. eth0 and eth1.. eth0 using network 192.168.0.0/24 and eth1 using 10.0.0.0/24.. boxes from 192.168 can reach 10.0.. what is best way to stop this? |
| 23:32.45 | markybob | miesco_, also try taking a look around at the cups web frontend http://127.0.0.1:631 |
| 23:32.48 | joe_ | I just installed bittornado with apt-get but bash: bittornado: command not found - what do i need to do? |
| 23:33.11 | markybob | joe_, dpkg -L 'bittornado' |grep /usr/bin |
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| 23:33.50 | markybob | joe_, i think it's btdownloadgui or something goofy like that. the command i told you above will list it for you |
| 23:34.19 | joe_ | ahh.. its a whole bunch of <something>.bittornado bins |
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| 23:35.05 | pinewood | Is there anyway to change the calendar colors in evolution 2.2.3? |
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| 23:36.20 | cheal | joe_: in general, you find out with $ dpkg -L package_you_installed |
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| 23:37.29 | G | Does debian have software suspend packages |
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| 23:38.08 | eliteforce | how do i have to configure sendmail to make php's mail function work? |
| 23:38.36 | shining | I fixed it :) |
| 23:38.36 | pinewood | Is there an IRC channel for evolution 2.2.3? |
| 23:39.30 | markybob | shining, good. what was it? |
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| 23:39.47 | shining | markybob: what I said, something in mountall.sh |
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| 23:40.25 | markybob | eliteforce, my understand is that sendmail has nothing to do with it. php uses standard smtp stuff. http://expert.no-ip.org/?free=smtp_mail&func might help |
| 23:40.27 | shining | http://pastebin.com/426067 |
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| 23:41.15 | shining | but there is still a problem. grep, which needs /usr to be mounted, is still used before mountall.sh is started :( while it isn't critical, I don't think it's good |
| 23:41.43 | cheal | pinewood: "#evolution on irc.gimp.org." |
| 23:41.44 | shining | and since it boots too fast, I can't see what use grep before mountall is started |
| 23:42.16 | eliteforce | if i start sendmail and read the log there isn an error: sm-mta[25497]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): opendaemonsocket: daemon MTA-v4: cannot bind |
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| 23:42.19 | eliteforce | : Address already in use |
| 23:42.38 | cheal | !evolution |
| 23:42.38 | dpkg | hmm... evolution is an Email and Personal Information Manager developed by Ximian. an Outlook clone. |
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| 23:42.55 | shining | is it possible to log boot info ? |
| 23:43.06 | cheal | dpkg: evolution is also #evolution on irc.gimp.org |
| 23:43.06 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
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| 23:43.25 | cheal | shining: more or less. check $ dmesg |
| 23:43.32 | shining | it isnt in dmesg |
| 23:43.42 | shining | only at screen during boot |
| 23:43.43 | cheal | shining: is it later? |
| 23:43.47 | shining | I think so at least |
| 23:43.55 | shining | I think it's just after, not sure though |
| 23:44.00 | cheal | shining: *try* bootlogd |
| 23:44.10 | shining | just before mountall.sh is started |
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| 23:44.27 | shining | its the last thing I can see when boot is done and I scroll up |
| 23:44.37 | shining | I can't see all stuff before that |
| 23:44.38 | cheal | hum, I guess that's too early for bootlogd |
| 23:44.49 | miesco_ | markybob: What do I install to get drivers for printers? |
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| 23:45.48 | cheal | shining: what is it about? |
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| 23:47.17 | shining | cheal: grep needs a library in /usr |
| 23:47.32 | shining | so obviously it doesnt find it before /usr is mounted |
| 23:47.38 | cheal | shining: ah well just upgrade your grep then |
| 23:47.41 | cheal | you want -4 |
| 23:47.47 | shining | hmm? |
| 23:48.19 | shining | I'm using last sid version afaik |
| 23:48.24 | WE_R_ONE | ./fuhquake-gl.glx -width 800 -height 600 |
| 23:48.24 | WE_R_ONE | Error: W_LoadWadFile: couldn't load gfx.wad |
| 23:48.27 | shining | it needs libpcre.so.3 |
| 23:48.33 | cheal | !dbugs 338413 |
| 23:48.37 | dpkg | DONE:#338413:[grep] Boot failure on system with separate / and /usr partitions; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:03:01 UTC |
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| 23:48.48 | shining | ha nice, thanks |
| 23:48.54 | shining | hmm wait, how do I see this bug? |
| 23:48.57 | luddite | wassup all |
| 23:49.08 | Squarepants | hi, i just installed sarge, but i can't listen to midi files. Do i need to set up something/ |
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| 23:49.28 | markybob | shingouz, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338413 |
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| 23:49.39 | luddite | ssh tunnel vnc.. i am able to do it at home, but now i'm at a gaming place, i can ssh.. but the vnc tunnel isn't working any suggestions? |
| 23:49.49 | miesco_ | Squarepants: Use Timidity |
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| 23:50.02 | markybob | shining, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338413 |
| 23:50.02 | cheal | shining: wait...you use sid but you don't know how to see a bug report? |
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| 23:50.31 | shining | now I know where it's :) |
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| 23:51.04 | cheal | shining: hint: reinstall another release before there's a worst bug |
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| 23:51.25 | Wig | What are some of the main features of debian? what seperats it from other flavors of linux? |
| 23:51.33 | cheal | !tell wig about why debian |
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| 23:52.52 | Wig | I was considering both Debian and Gentoo |
| 23:52.58 | bujin | hi |
| 23:53.14 | Wig | Is Debian installer graphical and do I have to configure X by myself? |
| 23:53.24 | dondelelcaro | it's text based, and no. |
| 23:53.33 | dondelelcaro | but you can, if you wish. |
| 23:54.03 | Wig | I recently had extremely hard difficulties having Slackware configureing X, and itwas a pain. |
| 23:54.34 | bujin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.35 | systray` | how to configure Noatun with WMV codec? |
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| 23:54.36 | Wig | right off the bat I can do "startx" or it just stats x? |
| 23:54.39 | WE_R_ONE | how do i find out what version of x I have? |
| 23:54.45 | cheal | Wig: slackware is just not debian |
| 23:54.45 | systray` | i'm hear the sound, but can't see the video |
| 23:54.49 | systray` | (its hangs) |
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| 23:54.55 | dondelelcaro | Wig: if you actually install X, yes. |
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| 23:55.07 | Wig | dondelelcaro, there's an option for that though, right? |
| 23:55.13 | Gathond | Wig: would depend on exactly what you install |
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| 23:55.47 | dondelelcaro | there are options for almost any package you'd want to use, so yes... |
| 23:56.07 | cheal | bujin: possibly #madwifi. otherwise ask an actual question |
| 23:56.27 | bujin | oks cheal thanks |
| 23:56.36 | cheal | systray`: which WMV codec version is it? |
| 23:56.38 | karsten | How would I set the MAC address of a given NIC? |
| 23:56.45 | systray` | how i see that? |
| 23:56.57 | dondelelcaro | karsten: depends on the nic; some can't be set, some can using mii-tool or similar. |
| 23:56.57 | EdibleText | karsten, via ifconfig |
| 23:57.15 | cheal | systray`: I usually use totem's errors when it tries to read a version other than WMV1 :) |
| 23:57.18 | vulture | what EdibleText said |
| 23:57.23 | cheal | !tell systray` about wmv |
| 23:57.29 | dondelelcaro | err; yeah, ifconfig, not mii-tool. |
| 23:57.46 | cheal | systray`: there's a short explanation on that page, if it doesn't work ask here again |
| 23:58.23 | markybob | karsten, here's an example: ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:01:02:03:04:08 |
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| 23:59.05 | karsten | EdibleText: What syntax? |
| 23:59.11 | etsme | !debian download |
| 23:59.12 | markybob | karsten, i just told you |
| 23:59.15 | markybob | karsten, here's an example: ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:01:02:03:04:08 |
| 23:59.21 | karsten | markybob: ... just saw that ;-) |
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| 23:59.28 | vulture | karsten: man pages are fun y'know.. |
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