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| 00:00.09 | m2 | comex: you can't login at all? not even as root? |
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| 00:00.52 | comex | Yes. Since "su" works from chroot in Knoppix I think it's a console issue... |
| 00:00.52 | dondelelcaro | comex: sounds like you've either 1) got something wrong with login, 2) got something wrong with your pam configuration |
| 00:01.00 | mfrisch | is there a socket in /tmp ? |
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| 00:01.50 | dondelelcaro | comex: first, apt-get --reinstall login; then check your pam configuration for login. (the pam configuration for login is totally separate from that of su) |
| 00:02.00 | dondelelcaro | well, not totally separate, but separate enough. |
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| 00:02.48 | comex | OK... where's the pam configuration for login? |
| 00:02.54 | CountZ` | how exciting, i'm installing debian over pxe on quite a few blades ;-) |
| 00:03.01 | Consty | Where can I see a listing of what is included for each CD iso, so I know which CD's I need? |
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| 00:03.13 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 00:03.13 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. stew has created a searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 00:03.23 | lakcaj | What does "rc" mean vs "ii" when I do a dpkg -l? |
| 00:03.35 | dvs | lakcaj: "rc" means not installed |
| 00:03.39 | dondelelcaro | lakcaj: remove+conffiles; see the header of dpkg -l |
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| 00:04.27 | cirdan | hey all |
| 00:04.52 | cirdan | i'm trying to migrate from 2.4 to a 2.6 kernel, and can't boot |
| 00:05.07 | cirdan | it panics and tells me it can't load the root fs |
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| 00:05.25 | Consty | Did you build support for the file system you're using into the 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:05.26 | nvz | hmm thats a pretty good idea there |
| 00:05.27 | obscuresoul | hi |
| 00:05.31 | dvs | cirdan: Either your IDE drivers or the file system is not compiled directly into the kernel |
| 00:05.36 | cirdan | Consty: yes. using XFS |
| 00:05.37 | obscuresoul | i'm trying to bridge! so i ran 'brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 eth0; brctl addif br0 wlan0; ifconfig br0 up' and doesn't work! what's the problem? |
| 00:05.44 | cirdan | dvs: hmm |
| 00:05.55 | cirdan | might be the ide driver...but shouldn't |
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| 00:06.46 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:06.47 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 00:07.34 | nvz | obscuresoul: you are going to have to explain doesnt work |
| 00:07.51 | Alinux | hello, after 2.6.13 kernel recompiling I get this error at the start mount: "unknown filesystem type 'devfs'" then "umount: devfs: not mounted", where is the problem? |
| 00:08.04 | lakcaj | Hrmmm... I just upgraded to etch, and now I can't install alsa-utils. I also noticed, while trying to help some people that use ubuntu, that they don't have the alsaconf utility. What do I need to do to get alsaconf? |
| 00:08.23 | nvz | obscuresoul: so far I dont see why ifconfig br0 up should do anything |
| 00:08.29 | pem3v78 | Alinux: forgot to compile 'devfs' file system into kernel ? |
| 00:09.01 | nvz | obscuresoul: I had to ifconfig all ifs to 0.0.0.0 and bring them up then dhcp br0 or otherwise write a network interfaces file |
| 00:09.04 | Alinux | pem3v78, I'll chek it right now :) |
| 00:09.20 | Alinux | pem3v78, module or permanent? |
| 00:09.23 | cirdan | bah: <M> Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK support |
| 00:09.30 | cirdan | silly defaults... |
| 00:09.35 | beardy | !win me |
| 00:09.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, beardy! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 00:09.39 | dvs | cirdan: That's a module. ;-) |
| 00:09.48 | nvz | obscuresoul: you havent even said what kind of bridging you are doing with those interfaces |
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| 00:10.01 | cirdan | dvs: i know, but it needs to be compiled in |
| 00:10.09 | cirdan | heh |
| 00:10.13 | cheal | !wayc Alinux |
| 00:10.14 | dpkg | Alinux: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:10.22 | dvs | beardy: I though you were betting with me? |
| 00:10.23 | abrotman | oh ... i can guess! |
| 00:10.34 | Alinux | have some problems with ACPI and sound card. |
| 00:10.59 | Alinux | nw thei work perfectly but this error at the start remains. |
| 00:11.07 | obscuresoul | nvz i'm tryng to bridge ethernet and wifi! so which commands should i run? |
| 00:11.12 | Consty | Anyone have a clue how to find out the contents of each ISO? Theres so many, I'de rather not download them all. :) |
| 00:11.35 | ilpavox | having a problem where the wireless connection gets dropped every once in a while. all the solutions i have found involve unloading and reloading the module (ipw2200) then running /etc/init.d/networking restart... this does not work. what works is using the gnome networking thingy and clicking the proper interface and closing it! what is it doing? |
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| 00:11.46 | dvs | Consty: mount -t iso9660 -o loop <filename> /mnt |
| 00:11.48 | pem3v78 | Consty: the answer was already given |
| 00:12.04 | Alinux | can't find "devfs" in my menu config ... |
| 00:12.14 | Alinux | pem3v78, there is some other name to this ? |
| 00:12.15 | beardy | dvs: oh, heh, I didn't get that. |
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| 00:12.35 | ryanc` | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.43 | Consty | ah, sorry, I did not see that. Thank you. |
| 00:13.05 | abrotman | ask #exim ? |
| 00:13.06 | pem3v78 | Inside file systems, vitrual or sth like that |
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| 00:13.29 | Alinux | pem3v78, pseudo filesystem? |
| 00:13.35 | pem3v78 | yeap |
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| 00:14.24 | cheal | Alinux: devfs was removed from 2.6 branch |
| 00:14.57 | pem3v78 | this is not true |
| 00:14.59 | cheal | yihee! |
| 00:15.08 | lakcaj | Well, in case anyone is interested, I solved my alsaconf problem by installing udev from unstable. |
| 00:15.17 | Consty | Does the testing branch still run 2.4, or 2.6 now? |
| 00:15.18 | dvs | Is that a good or bad yihee! |
| 00:15.30 | lakcaj | Consty, you can run 2.6 out of the box on stable |
| 00:15.45 | dvs | lakcaj: Nope |
| 00:15.50 | lakcaj | yes |
| 00:15.56 | cheal | dvs: well, currently, I'm still using vesa, and I removed my customizations to XF86Config-4 |
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| 00:16.01 | Consty | Nice |
| 00:16.10 | obscuresoul | nvz are you asleep? :) |
| 00:16.11 | cheal | dvs: so it's a it-didn't-broke-yihee! |
| 00:16.13 | beardy | Not out of the default box. You have to shake it. |
| 00:16.31 | lakcaj | If you pass linux26 at the first prompt, the install cd will boot from a 2.6 kernel, and your system will have a 2.6 kernel installed, without a 2.4 kernel ever being on your system. |
| 00:16.38 | dvs | obscuresoul: Oh. Geez. I was thinking of woody. |
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| 00:16.45 | dvs | Duh! |
| 00:17.49 | cheal | "it didn't break", I guess. I'm never going to master English past tenses |
| 00:18.05 | dvs | cheal: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. ;-) |
| 00:18.14 | interbird | Hi ! -- Does anyone know how to get kernel boot-messages like Knoppix or Ubuntu on Sarge ? |
| 00:18.15 | lisi | can't find any "devfs", in my menu config of 2.6.13 kernel :( |
| 00:18.17 | obscuresoul | dvs you're nvz? :S |
| 00:18.28 | cheal | dvs: yes, that one must be corrupting my poor simplistic brain |
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| 00:18.42 | cheal | lisi: devfs was removed from 2.6 branch |
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| 00:18.51 | dvs | obscuresoul: Hell no! |
| 00:19.03 | obscuresoul | lol |
| 00:19.03 | beardy | interbird: The knoppix or ubuntu people probably knows how they have done. |
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| 00:19.13 | cheal | lisi: in any case, if you have a followup question, ask #ubuntu |
| 00:19.16 | abrotman | interbird: like what ? |
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| 00:19.41 | mfrisch | interbird there is boot-icons I forget the cool one...but its on apt-get.org |
| 00:19.46 | interbird | beardy: Undoubtfuly -- but what ? :-) |
| 00:19.55 | lisi | cheal, I get this message on the start mount: ---unknown filesystem type 'devfs'--- |
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| 00:19.58 | beardy | abrotman: Proably colors, and rewriting the messages in some way. |
| 00:20.00 | obscuresoul | dvs are you there? |
| 00:20.10 | cheal | lisi: if you're using Ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
| 00:20.19 | lisi | how can I remove this 'devfs' from my kernel to recompile it, where can I find it. |
| 00:20.19 | xsquared | hihi, where would i be able to find a good tutorial to set up a wpa radius wireless network? |
| 00:20.33 | lisi | cheal, no Debian Unstable |
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| 00:21.23 | Consty | Debian still runs xfree86? |
| 00:21.46 | cheal | Consty: depends what you mean by "Debian runs". sarge ships XFree86 |
| 00:22.06 | Consty | Well I figured they'd be using xorg. |
| 00:22.19 | gravity | "they"? |
| 00:22.29 | cheal | and it can still be ran under etch, and most likely sid |
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| 00:22.31 | gravity | Consty: The next version will have xorg. |
| 00:22.39 | CaT[tm] | cons: xorg is in etch |
| 00:22.45 | Consty | gotcha :) Thanks |
| 00:22.56 | gravity | Yes it is :-) |
| 00:23.24 | interbird | abrotman: like the clean messages and the "/" device-scanner while booting knx or ubi -- what makes the messages on kernel-boot abrotman ? |
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| 00:23.37 | lisi | any suggestions about -unknown filesystem type 'devfs'- this error? |
| 00:23.55 | beardy | interbird: Ask #knoppix and/or #ubuntu |
| 00:24.09 | abrotman | interbird: ok .. i have no idea |
| 00:24.09 | cheal | lisi: as an awful guess, check that it's not something in fstab. otherwise, google will point you to one of the hundreds of people who complained about the problem |
| 00:24.18 | interbird | abrotman: kee... |
| 00:24.19 | vividan | anyone have experience installing mythtv as a package in any branch of debian? I have been unable to do it. |
| 00:24.31 | abrotman | !mythtv |
| 00:24.31 | dpkg | i guess mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org, Sid/Sarge and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ ...apt-get install mythtv-suite. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
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| 00:24.51 | lisi | cheal, no mathes found about this problem. |
| 00:25.01 | CaT[tm] | hmmm. tuna. |
| 00:25.12 | CaT[tm] | hmm |
| 00:25.16 | CaT[tm] | !postgres |
| 00:25.16 | dpkg | well, postgres is better than MySQL!, or short for postgresql |
| 00:25.17 | stew | wow, never knew there was a -suite virtual package |
| 00:25.26 | CaT[tm] | !postgresql |
| 00:25.26 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org. |
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| 00:25.39 | stew | abrotman: who are you routing for, btw? |
| 00:25.48 | CaT[tm] | hmm. and postgresql-8.0 in etch/sid |
| 00:26.15 | abrotman | stew: routing ? |
| 00:26.29 | pem3v78 | ok. now I understand. devfs option was removed in the latest kernel (2.6.13) from being build |
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| 00:26.41 | CaT[tm] | yup |
| 00:26.56 | pem3v78 | If you really need it (it's depricated now) use kernel 2.6.12.6 |
| 00:27.09 | abrotman | stew: ? |
| 00:27.44 | stew | abrotman: NYY or Bos |
| 00:27.44 | cheal | lisi: are you sure? |
| 00:27.45 | Skaag | what gives i can't find libmotif |
| 00:27.56 | abrotman | stew: rooting ? Boston .. of course :) |
| 00:28.05 | xsquared | \m/ |
| 00:28.07 | lisi | cheal, yes |
| 00:28.13 | lisi | can't find :( |
| 00:28.17 | vividan | abrotman, I have followed those instructions and I am still getting uninstallable packages |
| 00:28.19 | abrotman | stew: i used to spend all my summers in maine .. watching boston games .. the sox are the bestest :) |
| 00:28.24 | beardy | !find libmotif sarge |
| 00:28.26 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libmotif' (2): libmotif-dev ;; libmotif3. |
| 00:28.54 | cheal | lisi: try http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22unknown+filesystem+type+'devfs'%22&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:fr:unofficial |
| 00:29.04 | stew | abrotman: i used to spend my summers in maine also, but i never cared much until I married a die hard "anyone but the yankees" fan |
| 00:29.10 | lisi | cheal, right now.. |
| 00:29.11 | lisi | ok |
| 00:29.25 | abrotman | stew: hehe .. those are the best kind of fans :) |
| 00:29.42 | stew | abrotman: there is a suprising number of them in my neighborhood |
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| 00:30.00 | abrotman | bah .. stupid fucking david wells |
| 00:30.26 | cirdan | ok...that almost worked... |
| 00:30.55 | abrotman | stew: where i lived up there .. we only got four channels abc,cbs,nbc,pbs .. games were better than soaps or mr rogers |
| 00:30.59 | cirdan | now device mapper is being a pain and telling me it can't add some drives, then glibc detects a double free (!prev) and it hangs :-( |
| 00:31.18 | stew | abrotman: where exactly was that? |
| 00:31.25 | abrotman | stew: between camden and belfast |
| 00:31.25 | cirdan | so close, yet so far |
| 00:31.27 | stew | abrotman: i used to go to an island near boothbay |
| 00:31.44 | abrotman | stew: nope .. i was up on penobscot .. which island? .. we used to sail to boothbay a lot |
| 00:32.07 | abrotman | tug boat marina! :) |
| 00:32.09 | stew | "isle of springs"; just on the other side of the towsend gut from the harbor |
| 00:32.18 | abrotman | ah .. we used to swim in towsend guy .. |
| 00:32.22 | abrotman | gut |
| 00:33.01 | stew | swimming is a little on the brisk side up there |
| 00:33.03 | sinn | Hello to all! Where i can get bluecurve theme for debian sarge? |
| 00:33.19 | abrotman | stew: we used to do it all the time .. |
| 00:33.26 | cirdan | sinn: themes.freshmeat.net? |
| 00:33.28 | interbird | sinn: art.gnome.org ? |
| 00:33.31 | stew | me too, but lately i've become a wimp about it |
| 00:33.38 | abrotman | stew: we used to go crabbing with a 5gal bucket and an innertube and some diving masks :) |
| 00:33.52 | stew | sweet |
| 00:33.55 | abrotman | it was :) |
| 00:33.57 | lisi | cheal, still can't find devfs in my menu config. strange. in 2.6.13 devfs disappear. |
| 00:34.09 | abrotman | of course .. my mom never liked the soaking wet clothes from one end of the hosue to the other .. but oh well :) |
| 00:34.11 | stew | we used to go lobstering with a flashlight and the hope that noone would catch us robbing traps :) |
| 00:34.22 | newbdeb | how can i know wich distro version is installed? |
| 00:34.22 | cheal | lisi: that's what I told you |
| 00:34.27 | abrotman | stew: you bastard! .. at least we waded out in the grass to get ours :) |
| 00:34.36 | sinn | cirdan, in deb? |
| 00:34.49 | cheal | newbdeb: cat /etc/debian_version could help you |
| 00:34.56 | lisi | cheal, I#m searching to remove this error message :) |
| 00:34.56 | dvs | newbdeb: echo /etc/debian_version |
| 00:35.03 | gravity | Such a problematic question. |
| 00:35.09 | dvs | Oops! I mean cat |
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| 00:35.31 | stew | !which version |
| 00:35.31 | dpkg | to determine what version of debian you are on, run this command: apt-cache policy|awk '$1<2000{n=split($3,r,"/");if(n){print r[1];}}'|sort -u|tr "\n" ,;echo |
| 00:35.40 | stew | there's the nasty way to know |
| 00:35.48 | cirdan | sinn: no |
| 00:35.55 | newbdeb | thanks |
| 00:35.57 | cheal | lisi: why are you compiling your kernel? |
| 00:36.21 | stew | yay! finally dinnertime |
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| 00:36.26 | cirdan | so...anyone ever see the device-mapper double free on boot? 2.6.13 |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | stew: but the game isn't over! |
| 00:36.39 | lisi | cheal, my sound card works great now, and some other reasons DMA etc.. |
| 00:36.46 | nvz | heh |
| 00:36.47 | dvs | cirdan: I've notice a few problems with 2.6.13 |
| 00:36.49 | stew | abrotman: we'll be going to eat at a bar where we can watch the game |
| 00:36.55 | cirdan | dvs: nooo... |
| 00:37.13 | cheal | lisi: as opposed to under which kernel? |
| 00:37.22 | lisi | 2.6.10 |
| 00:37.26 | cirdan | dvs: what kind of things? |
| 00:37.35 | cheal | lisi: perhaps you should try a stock 2.6.12 then |
| 00:37.40 | dvs | cirdan: My system wouldn't shut down completely |
| 00:37.50 | abrotman | stew: ah ok .. have fun |
| 00:37.51 | cheal | lisi: unless you know your specific problems were solved after 2.6.12, of course |
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| 00:37.57 | cirdan | dvs: might just be an apm setting |
| 00:38.04 | obscuresoul | dvs what can i do to bridge a ethernet with wifi? |
| 00:38.04 | lisi | cheal :( I understand yuo :) |
| 00:38.06 | dvs | cirdan: I don't use apm |
| 00:38.15 | dvs | obscuresoul: I know nothing about WiFi |
| 00:38.21 | cirdan | dvs: right now my goal is booting |
| 00:38.22 | cirdan | :-) |
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| 00:38.25 | lisi | you've right.... |
| 00:38.36 | dvs | cirdan: Good luck... you'll need it |
| 00:38.40 | cirdan | nooo! |
| 00:38.49 | obscuresoul | dvs ok, but can i bridge two interfaces? |
| 00:38.52 | lisi | but I'd like to continue searching in google... |
| 00:38.52 | obscuresoul | *how |
| 00:39.04 | lisi | it's strange to me... |
| 00:39.04 | dvs | obscuresoul: I have no idea |
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| 00:39.17 | tarvid_ | anyway to reconcile webmin and debian? |
| 00:39.18 | cheal | lisi: well, no one keeps you from doing that |
| 00:39.20 | lisi | soe there is some scrips that are searching for devfs |
| 00:39.21 | humano | hi from mexico. |
| 00:39.23 | cirdan | dvs: know where i might find more help? |
| 00:39.26 | dondelelcaro | tarvid_: best not to use it at all |
| 00:39.27 | cheal | tarvid_: fix webmin? |
| 00:39.37 | lisi | cheal, thank yuo :) |
| 00:39.38 | obscuresoul | dvs ok thank you |
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| 00:39.40 | lisi | for helping |
| 00:39.44 | dvs | cirdan: With what specifically? |
| 00:39.46 | Skaag | what's the simplest way to have X working, I just need it temporarily to install oracle |
| 00:39.48 | interbird | sinn: http://art.gnome.org/ |
| 00:40.00 | Skaag | simple vga adapter |
| 00:40.05 | tarvid_ | for example the sites-available sites-enabled scheme doesn't agree with webmin |
| 00:40.08 | humano | does anyone know what i have to do, to install the divx codecs and see my LOST episodes? |
| 00:40.20 | john | mount: "You must specify file system type" // Trying to mount a floppy disk 1.4mb with just regular data files. ".wpd" and such (Microsoft Word Files) // how could I mount that? |
| 00:40.21 | nvz | obscuresoul: read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/HOWTO |
| 00:40.23 | Skaag | humano: first buy some popcorn |
| 00:40.31 | cirdan | dvs: well, device-mapper throws something about not being able to add a disk, then i get a double free message and the boot process jsut stops |
| 00:40.41 | cirdan | humano: mplayer |
| 00:40.46 | nvz | obscuresoul: are you trying to take ethernet clients and bridge them to a wifi access point or router? |
| 00:40.47 | tarvid_ | dondelelcaro, best not to use which debian or webmin? |
| 00:40.48 | cirdan | humano: or xine... |
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| 00:40.51 | dondelelcaro | tarvid_: webmin |
| 00:41.00 | interbird | sinn: also http://themes.freshmeat.net/ |
| 00:41.11 | humano | im using the default video player that comes with the debian sarge |
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| 00:41.12 | cheal | !devfs |
| 00:41.13 | dpkg | [devfs] obsolete and will be removed from the upstream Linux kernel shortly. See <http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01072.html>. |
| 00:41.16 | humano | totem |
| 00:41.20 | sinn | interbird, in source code, not in deb :( |
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| 00:41.25 | cirdan | sinn: there are no debs |
| 00:41.29 | humano | apt-get install xine?? |
| 00:41.32 | tarvid_ | so what is a good interface to hand to staff for maintaining websites, virtual domains etc.. |
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| 00:41.38 | cirdan | humano: install xine or mplayer, yes |
| 00:41.38 | dondelelcaro | humano: there really isn't a default... pick one that you like and install it. |
| 00:41.57 | sinn | cirdan, bluecurve is not popular? |
| 00:41.57 | dondelelcaro | tarvid_: sudo + editor + good documentation |
| 00:42.09 | interbird | sinn: What do you use ? Gnome or KDE ? |
| 00:42.14 | dvs | interbird: he's gone |
| 00:42.14 | cirdan | sinn: no idea, most themes are not in .deb |
| 00:42.21 | cirdan | too easy to install yourself |
| 00:42.27 | dondelelcaro | tarvid_: pretty much anyone who isn't competent with working with those things shouldn't be administering a box at all |
| 00:42.28 | cheal | dpkg: no, devfs is obsolete and was [basically] removed from Linux from 2.6.13, or ask me about devfs faq |
| 00:42.29 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 00:42.43 | interbird | dvs: Without his answer :-) |
| 00:42.45 | obscuresoul | nvz i'm trying to take ethernet clients and bridge them to wifi clients |
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| 00:43.23 | nvz | obscuresoul: does your wifi card support being in promisc or adhoc mode or whatever? |
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| 00:43.57 | dvs | obscuresoul: I'm sure that has something to do with IP masquerading but I don't know how to do it |
| 00:43.58 | nvz | obscuresoul: I didnt see you say specifically what "doesn't work" yet or indicate that you've even read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/HOWTO |
| 00:44.04 | linoleum | hello, does someone knows how to change the window manager in gnome?? I would like to change it from metacity to e17 |
| 00:44.10 | aum | are optowrite dvd burners (esp. dhw1160) ok with debian's ripping/burning tools? |
| 00:44.19 | cirdan | aum: prolly |
| 00:44.34 | cirdan | aum: if they foillow the standard they are |
| 00:44.37 | deadcat | linoleum: do that with gdm |
| 00:45.49 | obscuresoul | nvz after i ran that commands i tried to 'ping -c 4 -I eth0 x.x.x.x'... (x.x.x.x = wlan0's ip)! so the requests had no sucess |
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| 00:46.08 | reilly | anyone who knows a good FTP client with AUTH/TLS? i'm using gnome |
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| 00:46.48 | OMGWTFBBQ | #hrwiki |
| 00:46.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hey man... |
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| 00:47.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up |
| 00:47.14 | deadcat | got the card? |
| 00:47.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Uhhhh... What you up to tommorow? |
| 00:47.33 | deadcat | speech class 12-3pm |
| 00:47.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah... It's the version 2 firmware too... so it should work fine |
| 00:47.42 | TwistedEmotions | On Sat? |
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| 00:47.47 | deadcat | ya |
| 00:47.57 | TwistedEmotions | that sucks a fat dick |
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| 00:48.02 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 00:48.06 | interbird | obscuresoul: you have to set-on forwarding-ip I think - - cat "1" > /proc/sys/net/ip4/ip_forward |
| 00:48.16 | reilly | anyone who knows a good FTP client with AUTH/TLS? i'm using gnome?? |
| 00:48.21 | sinn | "cancer:/home/sinn# sudo -u sinn knetstats -display :0" say knetstats: cannot connect to X server :0? |
| 00:48.26 | xsquared | reilly: gFTP? |
| 00:48.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Uhhh... well when you get a chance.. I need your help ;) |
| 00:48.28 | sinn | why? |
| 00:48.33 | sinn | i have X server :0 |
| 00:48.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up? |
| 00:48.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: but it's nothing major so dont trip |
| 00:48.46 | reilly | ~xsquared: gFTP = no AUTH/TLS |
| 00:49.14 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: just want to see if I can change my lilo... I want to set it up so that BIOS instead of fucking grub or lilo controls what system boots.. |
| 00:49.32 | cirdan | TwistedEmotions: heh, right |
| 00:49.50 | xsquared | reilly: ftp-ssl |
| 00:50.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont get it. |
| 00:50.19 | obscuresoul | interbird doesn't work! ty anyway! |
| 00:50.25 | reilly | xsquared and when? |
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| 00:50.44 | xsquared | reilly: what do you mean "when" |
| 00:50.50 | xsquared | reilly: now! |
| 00:50.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: basically... going to setup HD1 with windows... HD2 and HD3 with linux... Install a MBR on HD1 (Windows) and a MBR on HD2(Linux)... then have bios by default boot HD2.. so it goes to linux... then whenever I want to boot windows I just go to boot menu and boot HD1 |
| 00:50.52 | xsquared | reilly: lol |
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| 00:51.23 | reilly | open host port |
| 00:51.24 | reilly | ? |
| 00:51.27 | interbird | obscuresoul: Maybe you can tie the nets together by changing your netmask. |
| 00:51.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah.. |
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| 00:51.53 | js_ | i switched kernel and all of a sudden network performance sucks.. but im not sure if its related to the kernel or not, because i didnt notice the bad performance until a few hours after the upgrade.. any idea what it can be about? |
| 00:52.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: get it? So I dont have to deal with freaking grub lagging... because I think that lag is because it's located on the windows drive... so hoping if I install grub to HD2 then it will act normal |
| 00:52.31 | obscuresoul | interbird yes i think so, but i want to have to subnets! did you anytime try to bridge? |
| 00:52.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: when you disable hda in bios. wont hdb becomes hda? |
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| 00:53.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: wont disable it... will just want it check hdb for MBR.. not hda. |
| 00:54.01 | interbird | obscuresoul: nope -- I think... |
| 00:54.10 | deadcat | what about moving hdb to a and hda to c or somethin... |
| 00:54.18 | interbird | obscuresoul: But what do you want to accomplish ? |
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| 00:54.56 | reilly | hello again, how can i mount *.bin ? |
| 00:55.06 | xsquared | reilly: huh? |
| 00:55.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Could do that too... but grub has multiple errors now ;P!! 1) Lag - which you have seen 2) Sais the Windows Harddrive is "Unrecognized Format"... |
| 00:55.16 | dvs | reilly: I don't think you can |
| 00:55.17 | reilly | i've got a cd image here |
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| 00:55.24 | interbird | reilly: What is *.bin ? |
| 00:55.24 | reilly | how can i open cd images ? |
| 00:55.33 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn.. didnt you fucked grub and went lilo? (= |
| 00:55.34 | reilly | cd image |
| 00:55.35 | xsquared | LOL. |
| 00:55.36 | interbird | reilly: Rename is to .iso |
| 00:55.44 | reilly | done |
| 00:55.44 | interbird | reilly: Then: mkdir t |
| 00:55.48 | dvs | reilly: mount -t iso9660 -o loop <filename> /mnt |
| 00:55.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: so I'd rather have Grub not mess with the windows drive |
| 00:55.56 | interbird | reilly: Then: mount -o loop blabla.iso t |
| 00:56.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: nah.... grub is fuckered. And lilo sucks. |
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| 00:56.24 | deadcat | hahah |
| 00:56.34 | obscuresoul | interbird i want to bridge two networks! i've ran 'brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 eth0; brctl addif br0 wlan0; ifconfig br0 up' but i don't know what's wrong or what's missing! :S |
| 00:57.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: also want you to show me exact commands for wireless connection and that shit. |
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| 00:57.39 | dvs | !lart lunaphyte |
| 00:57.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: k |
| 00:57.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: basically.. I need help... I MISS YOU :) |
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| 00:58.06 | lunaphyte | mojo gone. no hope left. |
| 00:58.17 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok.. i'll come over after class. but cant guarantee on the grub thing (= |
| 00:58.49 | lunaphyte | !kill the fcc |
| 00:58.49 | interbird | obscuresoul: As far as I know a bridge is used betweed *different* protocols -- For tcp/ip you just have to route -- But I'm no Guru on this. |
| 00:58.50 | reilly | mh i dont understand ftp-ssl! i'm connectet but how can i change dirs or see all dirs ? |
| 00:58.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: the only thing you need to do is boot from live CD and install grub to HDB... |
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| 00:59.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool. |
| 00:59.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you running unstable right? |
| 00:59.58 | deadcat | ya |
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| 01:00.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: did you update Apache2 today? |
| 01:00.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i use 1.3 (= |
| 01:00.24 | TwistedEmotions | ohh ;( right. |
| 01:00.31 | mhall | Does Debian have netinst floppies? I have this old slimline box with no floppy drive I want to get working. lol. |
| 01:00.34 | mhall | ack |
| 01:00.39 | mhall | Does Debian have netinst floppies? I have this old slimline box with no CD-ROM drive I want to get working. lol. |
| 01:00.42 | dvs | mhall: Yup |
| 01:00.42 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 01:00.43 | dpkg | methinks sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 01:00.44 | TwistedEmotions | grave bugs of apache2 (2.0.54-4 -> 2.0.54-5) <done> #315847 - .htaccess is ignored #322604 - SECURITY: Vulnerable to CAN-2005-1344? |
| 01:00.47 | lucia | hello :) |
| 01:00.52 | abrotman | mhall: don't damn repeat .. you should know better |
| 01:00.55 | TwistedEmotions | Doesnt sound good ^^^^ |
| 01:00.59 | reilly | mh i dont understand ftp-ssl! i'm connectet but how can i change dirs or see all dirs ? |
| 01:01.02 | mhall | abrotman I corrected a typographical error. |
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| 01:01.08 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 315847 |
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| 01:01.10 | abrotman | mhall: it wasn't that severe |
| 01:01.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: never tried apache2 (=.. 1.3 works fine for me |
| 01:01.13 | dpkg | DONE:#315847:G[apache2] .htaccess is ignored; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:33:05 UTC |
| 01:01.15 | mhall | abrotman: I should have said, s/floppy/CD-ROM/g |
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| 01:01.19 | Serpentwolf | deadcat same here. |
| 01:01.25 | mhall | abrotman: I was concerned I'd be trolled if I did not correct it. |
| 01:01.33 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: agreed. |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | right |
| 01:01.38 | dvs | !troll mhall |
| 01:01.39 | abrotman | mhall: you saw the url ? |
| 01:01.40 | mhall | abrotman: Or that an attempt would be made to troll me. |
| 01:01.41 | TwistedEmotions | !dbugs 315847 |
| 01:01.44 | dpkg | DONE:#315847:G[apache2] .htaccess is ignored; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:33:05 UTC |
| 01:01.47 | abrotman | !tell mhall about sarge bf |
| 01:01.50 | mhall | abrotman: Yeah I got the bot fact. |
| 01:01.58 | deadcat | Serpentwolf: ya.. the config in /etc/apache2/hosts or whatever is confusing anyway |
| 01:01.59 | mhall | abrotman: I'm gonna copy paste into firefox in a sec. |
| 01:02.04 | TwistedEmotions | wow.. nice explanation ;P |
| 01:02.08 | interbird | Hello lucia. |
| 01:02.14 | TwistedEmotions | !dbugs 322604 |
| 01:02.17 | dpkg | DONE:#322604:G[apache2] SECURITY: Vulnerable to CAN-2005-1344?; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:18:01 UTC |
| 01:02.23 | lucia | interbird thx :) |
| 01:02.24 | Kerr | !pirate |
| 01:02.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, pirate is a robber and murderer in international waters. See <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy> |
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| 01:03.03 | Kerr | dpkg has no concept of talk like a pirate day :-/ |
| 01:03.11 | abrotman | !argh |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | !be a pirate |
| 01:03.24 | dpkg | Yeaaaar! Thar she blows! |
| 01:03.27 | abrotman | i knew it was there somewhere |
| 01:03.28 | Kerr | ^.^ |
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| 01:03.50 | mhall | Kerr: Today is TLAP day? |
| 01:04.11 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: the first isn't even a bug, and the second wasn't a bug in a released version of Debian... |
| 01:04.23 | mhall | Kerr: No, Monday after next it appears. Shiver me timbers. |
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| 01:05.01 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: Ahh.. so neither apply ;) Thanks |
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| 01:05.50 | inetd | is xorg broken? |
| 01:05.57 | mhall | inetd: Define broken. |
| 01:05.58 | dondelelcaro | inetd: uh, no. |
| 01:06.07 | dvs | inetd: Not for me |
| 01:06.11 | dvs | inetd: NVidia? |
| 01:06.12 | mhall | inetd: Also, works for me. |
| 01:06.21 | mhall | Works for me _with_ nvidia. |
| 01:06.27 | interbird | inetd: It was for a while on my nVidia box. |
| 01:06.42 | inetd | kk.... maybe its my nvidia driver |
| 01:06.49 | interbird | inetd: Had to reinstall nVidia -> then OK. |
| 01:06.51 | mhall | Baloo: That's hilarious. |
| 01:06.56 | mhall | Baloo: In a very wrong way. |
| 01:06.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: dude.. so glad freaking run linux instead of windows... gotten hit like 300 times by different people trying shit like... 68.126.225.232 - - [09/Sep/2005:01:12:51 -0700] "GET /scripts/ HTTP/1.1" 404 341 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko$ |
| 01:06.57 | TwistedEmotions | 66.15.72.211 - - [09/Sep/2005:12:16:11 -0700] "GET /scripts/..%255c%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir" 404 375 "-" "-" |
| 01:07.05 | TwistedEmotions | Sorry for paste. |
| 01:07.09 | cheal | Baloo: you hopefully didn't try hard |
| 01:07.12 | inetd | anyone here use linux for gaming? |
| 01:07.17 | inetd | deadcat : yo :) |
| 01:07.21 | cheal | !tell inetd about anyone |
| 01:07.22 | dondelelcaro | !anyone |
| 01:07.22 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:07.25 | Baloo | cheal: Nope, I didn't. |
| 01:07.25 | TwistedEmotions | Didnt know it was anywhere near tha tbig ;( |
| 01:07.27 | deadcat | inetd: who the f? (= |
| 01:07.29 | mfrisch | !eject |
| 01:07.34 | Guerin | Baloo: no can do, due to NDA requirements with, for example, SGI |
| 01:07.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i get those once a while. but not much |
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| 01:07.54 | Baloo | SGI needs to grow a spine and get off nVidia's back about that. |
| 01:08.25 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I get them left and right... can only assume someone wanted to access my "cmd.exe"... hahaha. |
| 01:08.27 | inetd | deadcat : dont remember me eh... u been hanging out here too long...n ive been away from this place for a long time aswell :p |
| 01:08.38 | Nocilis | but being an invertebrate is soo much fun |
| 01:09.04 | deadcat | inetd: nah man.. bad memory (=... |
| 01:09.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: brb reboot. |
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| 01:09.43 | blafArd | I want a command line program or collection of programs that can read an mp3 and output it as an mp3 at half speed. I tried using sox and lame but the speed thing created pops with sox. any suggestions? |
| 01:09.51 | Guerin | Baloo: heh |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | mpg123 or mpg321 can do that i thnik |
| 01:10.14 | humano | i give up... |
| 01:10.14 | chucky- | how can i configure isdn conections? |
| 01:10.14 | Guerin | blafArd: mplayer |
| 01:10.21 | humano | i cant install a mplayer or xine |
| 01:10.29 | interbird | blafArd: Google ? |
| 01:10.38 | blafArd | interbird: of course. |
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| 01:11.13 | Serpentwolf | upgrading a kernel on deb is as easy as apt-get installing right? is there any pitfalls i should watch out for? |
| 01:11.16 | abrotman | gravity: are you listening ? |
| 01:11.38 | chucky- | i am new on debian... i was using slackware. and now i am moving to a debian 3.1 |
| 01:11.49 | gravity | Nope |
| 01:11.57 | chucky- | but i can't configure ppp on isdn.. |
| 01:12.09 | cheal | Serpentwolf: depends. if you're upgrading a kernel package instead of installing a new one, you'll be warned that you have to reboot soon |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | gravity: tis bad ... they just had a double error on a routine single |
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| 01:12.28 | interbird | chucky: welcome! |
| 01:12.35 | humano | hi.. |
| 01:12.36 | Serpentwolf | cheal oh yes, ok. |
| 01:12.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Good news and bad news... |
| 01:12.41 | chucky- | interbird, tanks. |
| 01:12.55 | humano | can anyone help me to install the codecs so i can divx movies? |
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| 01:13.05 | Baloo | God, no wonder nobody looks familiar in this channel... i thought I joined #orlug... |
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| 01:13.11 | blafArd | Guerin: mplayer won't install because of libjack0.80.0-0 |
| 01:13.17 | cheal | Serpentwolf: in any case, you'll need to reboot to "actually" upgrade |
| 01:13.19 | TwistedEmotions | Good news: I saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico... bad news: I am pregnant with your children. |
| 01:13.31 | gravity | urgh |
| 01:13.33 | interbird | chucky: This is dialup connection ? |
| 01:13.43 | chucky- | interbird, yes. |
| 01:13.50 | gravity | abrotman: That's part of why I don't watch or listen. The minute to minute is too painful :-) |
| 01:13.53 | chucky- | interbird, is isdn. |
| 01:13.54 | Guerin | blafArd: add testing repositories |
| 01:13.57 | abrotman | gravity: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=250909110 |
| 01:14.02 | gravity | heh |
| 01:14.09 | interbird | chucky: Tried wvdial ? |
| 01:14.09 | abrotman | gravity: it's ok now .. they took wells out! :) |
| 01:14.12 | Serpentwolf | cheal appreciated. i assume apt-get manages the grub and all for me? |
| 01:14.15 | gravity | Ha! |
| 01:14.21 | cheal | Serpentwolf: yes |
| 01:14.30 | Guerin | blafArd: you're using unstable, and that problem is due to the fact that libjack 0.8 has been removes from unstable, but still lives in testing |
| 01:14.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: HAHAHA. i was gonna say the SAME THING (= |
| 01:14.37 | chucky- | ok, i will try. |
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| 01:14.47 | blafArd | Guerin: thanks |
| 01:14.55 | Guerin | !tell humano about w32codec |
| 01:14.58 | Guerin | !tell humano about w32codecs |
| 01:15.37 | interbird | chucky: Install the Synaptic package manager and search on ppp or dial or whatever. |
| 01:15.39 | chucky- | interbird, this is graphical? i used "pppsetup" and "ppp-on" "ppp-of", |
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| 01:16.18 | Guerin | chucky-: if you want a gui, use gkdial |
| 01:16.19 | chucky- | interbird, apt-get install synaptic? |
| 01:16.22 | miag | hey! everyone here who using firefox, check http://www.mozillazine.org/ about:config, network.enableIDN turn off! |
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| 01:16.32 | interbird | chucky: Nope, but there exist front-ends -- Search Synaptic -- Debians Google :-) |
| 01:16.44 | chucky- | Guerin, no no, i am not searching gui. |
| 01:16.52 | Guerin | oh, my bad. |
| 01:16.58 | interbird | chucky: Yes; apt-get install synaptic (lowercase) |
| 01:17.04 | xsquared | what is sit0 as a network interface? |
| 01:17.28 | interbird | chucky: open root-terminal and give command synaptic. |
| 01:17.29 | abrotman | ipv6 thingie |
| 01:18.44 | *** join/#debian jan_ (n=jan@d51A4A49C.access.telenet.be) |
| 01:18.47 | jan_ | hi |
| 01:19.16 | jan_ | [Sat Sep 10 03:08:35 2005] [warn] Script "/usr/share/horde2/index.php" resolving to "/usr/share/horde2/index.php" not within configured docroot and /usr/share/horde2 _is_ my docroot, so i dont get it :( i'm running suPHP instead of 'normal' php |
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| 01:19.44 | CaT[tm] | suphp? |
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| 01:19.55 | abrotman | ask #php ? |
| 01:20.30 | adiiidas | does debian support conextant modems? |
| 01:20.37 | deadcat | yes |
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| 01:20.46 | lunaphyte | argh.. |
| 01:20.49 | Guerin | adiiidas: ask not whether debian supports it, but whether linux supports it. |
| 01:20.55 | lunaphyte | why am i having so much trouble with this raid setup? |
| 01:21.01 | adiiidas | oops sorry |
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| 01:21.12 | adiiidas | does linux support conextant modems? :) |
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| 01:22.05 | jan_ | abrotman: looks like everyone is sending me from here to there |
| 01:22.09 | interbird | adiiidas: Better ask if your modem supports your os -- examples: winmodem & gdi-printers :-( |
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| 01:22.18 | abrotman | jan_: why? ... |
| 01:22.28 | jan_ | abrotman: probably because they just dont know :-) |
| 01:22.45 | mhall | adiiidas: barely |
| 01:22.52 | abrotman | i mean .. you could ask #apache .. but they may send you back here too .. i've never used suPHP |
| 01:22.53 | adiiidas | damn |
| 01:23.04 | adiiidas | im stuck with windows then |
| 01:23.06 | adiiidas | huh? |
| 01:23.10 | abrotman | !conexant |
| 01:23.10 | dpkg | a Conexant modem/ethernet device on a laptop is probably a tulip. |
| 01:23.11 | scx | buy a 536 or 537ep Intel modem |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | dpkg: you suck |
| 01:23.16 | dpkg | Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 01:23.23 | beardy | adiiidas: It's possible to get them working, but not supported exactly. |
| 01:23.23 | scx | they work really fine |
| 01:23.27 | adiiidas | i have an internal laptop modem |
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| 01:23.39 | lunaphyte | the debian-installer doesn't seem to be able to accommodate my needs for a raid setup (more than likely i'm going about things wrong) - can i take a single drive install with multiple partitions and raid 1 a second drive after the fact? |
| 01:23.45 | adiiidas | im working on a laptop, would that complicate things? |
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| 01:23.56 | interbird | adiiidas: Yeh, that's what the Redmond guys want after all... |
| 01:24.13 | mhall | lunaphyte: about this |
| 01:24.16 | adiiidas | god damn, this is frustrating |
| 01:24.27 | beardy | !winmodem |
| 01:24.27 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 01:24.40 | mhall | lunaphyte: you only need to do raid on install if your os partitions must be raid |
| 01:24.41 | adiiidas | im stuck on this shit operating system on my laptop then |
| 01:24.45 | adiiidas | !winmodem |
| 01:24.45 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 01:25.07 | gravity | Heh, I only just realized it, but wireless cards are the new winmodems |
| 01:25.10 | gravity | For linux at least |
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| 01:25.30 | abrotman | not all of them .. mine works better than my 10/100 :) |
| 01:25.30 | adiiidas | so intel pro wireless 2200 would be a challenge too? |
| 01:25.36 | abrotman | with in-kernel drivers |
| 01:25.39 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 01:25.39 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200 |
| 01:25.51 | scx | Hey guys, a simple quote: How do I free unused things from swap? I were using TheGimp, and it crashed,... I have a backup of my archive,.... but anyway... I have 90% of swap used |
| 01:25.53 | lunaphyte | mhall: wouldn't they all be my os partitions? |
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| 01:26.03 | scx | How do I free swap? |
| 01:26.10 | zinx | scx: close programs |
| 01:26.20 | beardy | scx: You don't. What zinx said. |
| 01:26.35 | scx | I mean about the Gimpstuff remaining on swap |
| 01:26.56 | interbird | !winmodem |
| 01:26.56 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 01:26.57 | zinx | eh? |
| 01:27.00 | beardy | scx: It will be removed when the space is needed again. Check if there is any gimp process left, and kill it. |
| 01:27.14 | beardy | interbird: why? |
| 01:27.28 | interbird | beardy: why what ? |
| 01:27.38 | dabaR | Do you guys know whether cplay can be made to play mp4/m4a/aac files? |
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| 01:27.41 | scx | none, |
| 01:27.44 | beardy | interbird: why call that factoid again. |
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| 01:28.04 | abrotman | why not /msg the bot :) |
| 01:28.05 | gravity | dabaR: Ask peterS |
| 01:28.05 | scx | and the swap will be free as it's needed,... |
| 01:28.08 | scx | yeah |
| 01:28.10 | interbird | beardy: because i had i pee and felt like it :-) |
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| 01:28.27 | beardy | interbird: Not funny. |
| 01:28.33 | nvz | when you turn on swapping you are allocating the full ammount of memory as swap if its unused is when its being wasted. when its needed its guess what ... swapped. |
| 01:28.34 | Guerin | dabaR: yeah, sure can |
| 01:28.35 | scx | but .... May I free swap trough a command ? |
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| 01:28.49 | abrotman | yeah .. turn swap off :) |
| 01:28.58 | interbird | beardy: dpkg thinks otherwise. |
| 01:29.10 | scx | ooohhhh |
| 01:29.12 | beardy | interbird: Stop it. |
| 01:29.13 | scx | bad idea |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | scx: not really ... |
| 01:29.33 | scx | ok ok I understand thanks |
| 01:29.44 | dabaR | Guerin: you gonna tell me how?:) |
| 01:29.48 | Guerin | dabaR: it'll play anything there's a command line encoder for it; look at the default cplayrc file, or alternatively you can download my dirty-hack shell script and use that - http://feayn.org/~lewis/anyplay |
| 01:29.50 | dabaR | heh. |
| 01:29.53 | interbird | beardy: What's your problem ? |
| 01:29.54 | abrotman | scx: only one swap partition ? |
| 01:30.01 | scx | yes |
| 01:30.07 | scx | and 1HD |
| 01:30.13 | Guerin | cplayrc isn't the friendliest format, but is IS hackable |
| 01:30.16 | abrotman | scx: swapoff -a;swapon -a .. hopefully nothing explodes :) |
| 01:30.18 | beardy | interbird: At the moment you. |
| 01:30.30 | abrotman | !commasmite beardy |
| 01:30.33 | scx | I'll try... |
| 01:30.41 | dabaR | It sounds intimidating, what are the cons of your script? |
| 01:30.41 | interbird | beardy: sorry for existing. |
| 01:30.58 | abrotman | scx: feel better? |
| 01:31.12 | inetd | whats the quickest way to move up refresh rate in Xorg? |
| 01:31.25 | inetd | same res but high rrate |
| 01:31.35 | scx | swapoff: /dev/hda3: Cannot allocate memory |
| 01:31.39 | Guerin | dabaR: it's not intimidating, really. |
| 01:31.39 | JoshH | inetd: if you have the correct monitor frequencies in your xorg.conf, it will automatically use the highest possible refresh rate |
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| 01:31.46 | abrotman | scx: haha .. that sucks .. |
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| 01:31.52 | abrotman | scx: start gimp again .. see what happens |
| 01:32.00 | scx | I done |
| 01:32.06 | WireSpot | APT problem: trying to install lyx-qt lists libqt3c102-mt as dependency but says it's "not installable" |
| 01:32.15 | WireSpot | apparently it's in testing |
| 01:32.18 | inetd | JoshH : hmm i had to put the rates manually..how do i get it to auto detect it? already tried xorgcfg and X -configure |
| 01:32.18 | scx | and used more memory, but not freed memory |
| 01:32.21 | WireSpot | I'm on unstable |
| 01:32.39 | abrotman | scx: then .. reboot ? |
| 01:32.57 | dabaR | Guerin: so, eventually, if I hack it, I can get to use cplay for mp4 files same as it is used for mp3s? |
| 01:32.57 | WireSpot | I tried to install that package from testing, but it would downgrade a huge number of packages |
| 01:33.07 | JoshH | inetd: if you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it will ask you if you want it to autodetect the monitor. if it doesnt work, look them up on online and specify them in the file manually. |
| 01:33.08 | scx | it is be obviusly going to work |
| 01:33.20 | scx | but it's too drastical |
| 01:33.41 | scx | bessides... I can't,... I am a server |
| 01:33.42 | Guerin | dabaR: yes. It's just a matter of finding a cli tool to play them, or decode them. |
| 01:33.53 | WireSpot | any way I can tell lyx-qt that it should use libqt3-mt instead? why is an unstable package listing testing deps anyway? |
| 01:33.57 | Guerin | dabaR: i may even have a config set up for them, hang on |
| 01:34.00 | scx | and REALLY need that memory |
| 01:34.10 | nvz | scx: if your a server you shouldnt be using any swap.. if you are swapping to 90% you need more ram |
| 01:34.34 | scx | I guess to explore temporal files and erase them by hand.... but I'd like to do it |
| 01:34.42 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.58 | nvz | you are just being unreasonably stupid right now |
| 01:35.10 | scx | I know,.... but not enough money... |
| 01:35.26 | nvz | heh. |
| 01:35.51 | scx | maybe the next week |
| 01:36.22 | scx | I got 256RAM and 500MB swap |
| 01:36.36 | scx | 8 machines running as clients |
| 01:36.41 | nvz | all linux? |
| 01:36.45 | scx | 2 LTSP |
| 01:36.52 | nvz | ltsp? |
| 01:36.57 | scx | NFS server |
| 01:37.01 | abrotman | scx: sooner or later they will go away .. just wait |
| 01:37.05 | scx | and samba server |
| 01:37.09 | nvz | how many linux boxes ffs |
| 01:37.15 | scx | 12 |
| 01:37.19 | scx | total |
| 01:37.24 | nvz | all x86? |
| 01:37.26 | ferris__ | Skaag, are you around? |
| 01:37.27 | scx | yep |
| 01:37.34 | nvz | use open mosix patches |
| 01:37.56 | scx | I had a 64bit Atlon just 2 moths ago and 2GB ram |
| 01:38.05 | nvz | shares the processing power and memory of all them as I understand makes them a giant cluster |
| 01:38.05 | scx | but it was stolen ! |
| 01:38.07 | Guerin | dabaR: NoOffsetPlayer("mp4player %s", "\.(mp4|MP4|m4a|M4A|aac|AAC)$"), |
| 01:38.21 | Guerin | dabaR: and install mpeg4ip-bin package |
| 01:38.41 | nvz | scx: the unused resources on any running client or server will go to the most needy |
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| 01:39.07 | dabaR | thanks. |
| 01:39.22 | Guerin | dabaR: please don't message me. I don't know if mepg4ip-bin is in ubuntu, but do what you can. |
| 01:39.23 | scx | so... I am getting recovering things,.... that's why I do not have money |
| 01:39.30 | dabaR | right, sorry. |
| 01:40.00 | ferris__ | i am trying to compile a kernel and put this into the terminal as root, and after waiting an hour or so, i do not have a .deb file....make-kpkg --revision `date --iso` --append-to-version "-newkernel" --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot clean |
| 01:40.00 | ferris__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.01 | dabaR | nalioth: I have acquired knowledge that need to get the mpeg4ip-bin package. |
| 01:40.06 | scx | I have not much use right now... so I'll be able to reboot in few hours,....anyway... |
| 01:40.16 | nvz | I dont have or spend money on computers.. all of my hardware is donated or junk that was broken. I make best use of it free software can make possible |
| 01:40.19 | dabaR | heh |
| 01:40.28 | scx | but the knowledge is useful, don't u think so? |
| 01:40.32 | ferris__ | i have new files but where am i supposed to go from here? |
| 01:40.47 | ferris__ | none of them are .deb |
| 01:40.54 | scx | I am in Mexico man |
| 01:41.06 | beardy | ferris__: Have you checked the parent directory? |
| 01:41.10 | dabaR | Guerin: what about that line of text, into the config file? |
| 01:41.14 | scx | trust in me,.. NO ONE is going to donate ANYTHING |
| 01:41.22 | ferris__ | yes but i will check again |
| 01:41.24 | Guerin | dabaR: yeah into ~/.cplayrc |
| 01:41.53 | interbird | scx: I'll donate all the RAM I have laying around. |
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| 01:42.08 | scx | to Mexico? |
| 01:42.11 | nvz | I have an HP Vectra VL that was a PI 233 w/ 16MB of ram running like Win95.. its now got a cdrom, 20GB HD 80MB ram and once all boxes are open mosix patched it will have a combined power of a super computer with shared resources from many other systems like it, with shared hd space and all |
| 01:42.27 | miag | scx: they donate their interest, and time or knowledge. |
| 01:42.32 | ferris__ | no i do not have anything in the parent directory beardy |
| 01:42.56 | scx | I am more than glad with knowledge |
| 01:43.00 | ferris__ | oh, this is the first time that i have compiled a kernel and am fairly new to linux world |
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| 01:43.05 | interbird | scx: Doesn't fit I think. |
| 01:43.06 | mfrisch | How do you have two people log in on the same computers, but have seperate keyboards monitors? |
| 01:43.17 | scx | jo jo jo |
| 01:43.43 | interbird | scx: Alas the Spirit is there, non ? |
| 01:44.44 | scx | what is Alas? |
| 01:45.09 | scx | Alas the Spirit? |
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| 01:45.14 | interbird | Kinda like "At least" |
| 01:45.27 | interbird | Kinda like "for-a-start" |
| 01:45.40 | scx | ooohhh |
| 01:46.03 | scx | I see... |
| 01:46.24 | interbird | You don't see ram yet, but I hope you will. |
| 01:46.38 | scx | tnx |
| 01:46.55 | interbird | u2 |
| 01:47.17 | scx | what for? |
| 01:47.44 | lunaphyte | i don't get why inetd is listed as a dependency for netbase and telnet |
| 01:48.00 | ferris__ | i have in the linux folder that i created about 32 files |
| 01:48.08 | interbird | for wanting ram |
| 01:48.23 | scx | what ? jeje |
| 01:48.29 | ferris__ | some are called stamp-kernel-debian |
| 01:48.43 | ferris__ | stamp-foo |
| 01:48.52 | ferris__ | does that mean anything to you? |
| 01:50.13 | lunaphyte | what's the name of that command to modify what runs in the various runlevels? |
| 01:50.23 | nvz | lunaphyte: update-rc.d |
| 01:50.30 | lunaphyte | nvz: ah - thanks |
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| 01:51.01 | chucky- | interbird, tanks for all, now i will going to sleep and continus toumorrou... |
| 01:51.23 | interbird | chucky: sleep well |
| 01:52.25 | scx | what are your favourite IRC client ? |
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| 01:52.40 | interbird | mozilla-irc |
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| 01:53.01 | cusco | irssi |
| 01:53.01 | orchid | scx: for gui many like xchat, for terminal irssi is quite good |
| 01:53.06 | cusco | :) |
| 01:53.06 | scx | I were usin Kvirc, but i't verry complex, now I am using Konversation |
| 01:53.23 | scx | irssi? |
| 01:53.26 | scx | mmm |
| 01:53.38 | beardy | !info irssi-text sarge |
| 01:53.41 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 807 kB, Installed size: 2456 kB |
| 01:54.19 | scx | I am a GUI addict |
| 01:54.37 | netcat | lunaphyte: For all of the "update" programs try this: locate update | grep bin/ |
| 01:54.43 | orchid | scx: but you can run irssi inside screen and then never leave us :) |
| 01:54.45 | scx | understand,... I were a Mac user |
| 01:54.59 | beardy | netcat: why not update<TAB><TAB> ? |
| 01:55.01 | cusco | ircle |
| 01:55.07 | interbird | orchid: debian irssi scripts? |
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| 01:55.07 | scx | ohh I'll try irssi |
| 01:55.11 | cusco | there is also irssi for OS X |
| 01:55.11 | cusco | now |
| 01:55.15 | scx | shurerly |
| 01:55.25 | scx | (surely) |
| 01:55.31 | orchid | interbird: hmm? |
| 01:56.07 | interbird | orchid: nothing, just couffed... |
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| 01:57.01 | miag | gaim |
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| 01:57.56 | cusco | centericq :P |
| 01:58.04 | cusco | no irssi is just perfect |
| 01:58.08 | netcat | beardy: I must not have the right options set on my box. I get only a few "update" programs to show up using tabs but many more using the other method. |
| 01:58.35 | scx | xchat does not like me at all |
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| 01:59.04 | scx | and gaim is not focussed to IRC |
| 01:59.10 | miag | (10:14:24) miag: hey! everyone here who using firefox, check http://www.mozillazine.org/ about:config, network.enableIDN turn off! |
| 01:59.25 | scx | comparing with Kvirc by exaple |
| 01:59.56 | lunaphyte | scx: i like colloquy |
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| 02:01.06 | scx | it look fine... |
| 02:01.09 | beardy | netcat: Nothing wrong with your box. But you have to be root, so your way is much better, sorry. |
| 02:01.57 | scx | REALY fine... |
| 02:02.06 | scx | but there's a problem... |
| 02:02.11 | scx | I got Linux |
| 02:02.13 | goodwill | pardon me, how do get a build file a certain package was built with... let say the file where teh ./configure flasg information is at |
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| 02:02.24 | quadrata | *boing* |
| 02:02.33 | goodwill | quadrata: ? |
| 02:02.40 | goodwill | quadrata: long time |
| 02:02.50 | quadrata | hi goodwill |
| 02:02.52 | quadrata | how you been? |
| 02:02.59 | newbdeb | trouble with apt-get sources.list. i'm trying to add contrib and non-free ftp server to sources.list but no success |
| 02:03.08 | goodwill | quadrata: been learnign linux on stop |
| 02:03.15 | goodwill | on=none |
| 02:03.24 | goodwill | quadrata: and I blame you guys at lfs |
| 02:03.25 | quadrata | done with LFS? |
| 02:03.31 | quadrata | ;) |
| 02:03.36 | goodwill | quadrata: never |
| 02:03.47 | goodwill | quadrata: but I do need to learn other things |
| 02:03.56 | quadrata | nod |
| 02:03.57 | goodwill | quadrata: currently slack |
| 02:03.58 | quadrata | sounds reasonable |
| 02:04.00 | quadrata | ah |
| 02:04.02 | miag | scx: there is "gaim-irchelper" |
| 02:04.09 | quadrata | which explains why you're here in #debian ;P |
| 02:04.13 | goodwill | hehehe |
| 02:04.33 | goodwill | nah I am here to get info on different apache2 compilations |
| 02:04.41 | goodwill | comparing them from different distros |
| 02:04.55 | scx | irssi looks fine but.... (tell me obstinate) |
| 02:05.00 | scx | I prefer GUI's |
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| 02:05.11 | gravity | If only xchat didn't suck |
| 02:05.24 | quadrata | gravity, how does it suck? |
| 02:05.32 | asuffield | or if only there were something that sucked less |
| 02:05.34 | gravity | quadrata: It was just really weak compared to irssi, I found |
| 02:05.36 | quadrata | gravity, mind you, I appreciate a good irssi experience now and then |
| 02:05.41 | coolball | gravity there is gaim |
| 02:05.47 | quadrata | gravity, I like both, to be honest |
| 02:05.54 | miag | something near in c++, it suck |
| 02:05.59 | gravity | coolball: The idea of using gaim to irc is like using mozilla to irc. It works, but it turns my stomach |
| 02:06.08 | asuffield | coolball: if xchat is a house of cards, gaim is a live grenade |
| 02:06.11 | gravity | quadrata: I tried xchat for a week. I couldn't stand it. |
| 02:06.18 | quadrata | heh |
| 02:06.18 | gravity | I wanted to like it. |
| 02:06.19 | newbdeb | Hei guys how about giving a new newbie a hand?:) apt-get adding server to source list |
| 02:06.22 | asuffield | and irssi is a hole dug in the ground |
| 02:06.29 | gravity | newbdeb: man sources.list |
| 02:06.37 | asuffield | it may be a well painted hole but it's still a hole |
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| 02:06.48 | quadrata | gravity, it can handle more of the command line params than most other gui IRC clients |
| 02:06.52 | interbird | newbdeb: yess? |
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| 02:07.08 | gravity | quadrata: Yeah, if I had to use a gui client I'd go to xchat, but irssi just works really well |
| 02:07.08 | quadrata | asuffield, and you're using...? |
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| 02:07.18 | asuffield | quadrata: actually it's more that xchat does not *fuck* with your commands like half the others do |
| 02:07.30 | asuffield | oh, I use xchat, it's the best of a bad bunch |
| 02:07.44 | orchid | irc is overrated, you dont need a ton of feature's, its just text scrolling by |
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| 02:08.14 | gravity | It's good to have certain features around for when you need them |
| 02:08.26 | orchid | s/irc/irc-clients/ |
| 02:08.45 | kds | Totem doesn't start for me. Gives << OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program >> error. |
| 02:09.10 | quadrata | orchid, but what if I want pancakes while I watch the text? |
| 02:09.27 | asuffield | kds: exit the other program |
| 02:09.29 | scx | okok. |
| 02:09.36 | interbird | like moments passing life ? |
| 02:09.39 | quadrata | orchid, doesn't an IRC client *need* a pancake feature? |
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| 02:09.56 | orchid | quadrata: you need a QT based client for pancakes |
| 02:10.14 | quadrata | blast |
| 02:10.18 | kds | asuffield: no othe rprogram is using it. |
| 02:10.29 | asuffield | kds: obviously that's not true |
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| 02:10.59 | kds | asuffield: lsof /dev/dsp doesn't give me anything |
| 02:11.00 | interbird | orchid is a bot |
| 02:11.25 | netcat | kds: As root: lsof | grep dsp |
| 02:12.10 | blafArd | I want a command line program or collection of programs that can read an mp3 and output it as an mp3 at half speed. I tried using sox and mpg123 but both were untenable, and i couldn't figure out how to get mplayer or alsaplayer to output to a file. any suggestions? |
| 02:12.39 | Guerin | blafArd: -dumpstream -dumpfile |
| 02:12.44 | Guerin | blafArd: in mplayer |
| 02:13.09 | interbird | blaArd: Why not make it yourself and tell us about it ? |
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| 02:13.20 | blafArd | i tried using -dumpaudio and it didn't work, i have to use -dumpstream as well? |
| 02:13.29 | Guerin | blafArd: perhaps. |
| 02:13.32 | blafArd | interbird: is that sarcasm? |
| 02:13.42 | Guerin | blafArd: in the absence of a video stream, it should just dump the audio |
| 02:13.44 | blafArd | i guess it's back to the manpages |
| 02:13.48 | goodwill | hmmm |
| 02:13.58 | goodwill | wonders if anyone looked at his question |
| 02:14.03 | kds | netcat: lsof | grep dsp on listed a couple of bittorrent processes |
| 02:14.05 | scx | mplayer /home/user/mysong.mp3 > /home/user/my ripp.pm3 ??? |
| 02:14.07 | goodwill | pardon me, how do get a build file a certain package was built with... let say the file where teh ./configure flasg information is at |
| 02:14.08 | newbdeb | gravity: running. thanks |
| 02:14.09 | interbird | blafArtd: A bit -- sorry -- friendly meant. |
| 02:14.20 | bob2 | goodwill: download the source package |
| 02:14.21 | gravity | newbdeb: No problem. |
| 02:14.27 | bob2 | goodwill: apt-get source whateva |
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| 02:16.26 | lunaphyte | is it normal for mdadm to detect an ext2 filesystem when it is really an ext3? |
| 02:17.08 | dabaR | Guerin: I have mp4player installed, and a command in the path at this time(meaning, I can call it, if that was obfuscated...) I have also placed the example config file into ~/.cplayrc, and added that line to it. cplay still does not show my m4a files when I browse their folder. |
| 02:18.03 | blafArd | Guerin: it seems that -dumpstream makes mplayer ignore my speed option. |
| 02:18.13 | quadrata | hi bob2 :) |
| 02:18.14 | Guerin | blafArd: bugger. |
| 02:18.21 | dabaR | I also just tested, and the mp4player does play mp4s in cl:) Guerin . |
| 02:18.30 | Guerin | dabaR: it does for me |
| 02:18.43 | dabaR | same line, I suppose? the one from above... |
| 02:18.49 | Guerin | dabaR: yeah |
| 02:18.58 | dabaR | Ok, I will look into it. thanks a lot! |
| 02:19.18 | dabaR | bob2: do you use cplay on any of your ubuntu machines, and also play mp4s? |
| 02:19.28 | newbdeb | kernel source directory error. # dpkg -l kernel-image gives error |
| 02:19.36 | bob2 | dabaR: yes, no |
| 02:19.45 | dabaR | bob2: ok. Thanks. |
| 02:20.06 | bob2 | newbdeb: that seems fairly unlikely |
| 02:20.14 | bob2 | newbdeb: but if it is true, paste he error to #flood |
| 02:20.16 | bob2 | quadrata: hi |
| 02:20.30 | bob2 | dabaR: getting cplay to use mplayer would not be too hard, tho |
| 02:21.18 | bob2 | newbdeb: I don't see an error there |
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| 02:22.26 | newbdeb | bob2: module-assistant returns this error: (on #flood) |
| 02:23.06 | interbird | goodwill: if debian package get the sources with apt-get or synptic ? |
| 02:23.12 | dabaR | bob2: I got instructions from Guerin to insatll mp4player, and I installed it successfully:), and I want to make cplay play them with that, I even have the proper config file. Now the question. ~/.cplayrc is a file, right? |
| 02:23.27 | goodwill | bob2, interbird: thanks |
| 02:23.33 | bob2 | newbdeb: those two things are not connected; the dpkg -l command you ran is never going to show anything useful |
| 02:23.42 | bob2 | newbdeb: are you using sid, etch or sarge? |
| 02:23.56 | bob2 | dabaR: that's the config file, yes |
| 02:24.19 | Guerin | dabaR: first find out how the play the files in cli |
| 02:24.25 | newbdeb | bob2: according to my sourcelist sarge. i used netinst |
| 02:24.40 | Guerin | dabaR: once you can do that, alter to cplayrc line to do likewise |
| 02:24.48 | bob2 | newbdeb: sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:24.48 | dabaR | heh, ya, it was as you said, I made the mistake assuming .cplayrc is the folder... |
| 02:24.52 | bob2 | newbdeb: the run the m-a command again |
| 02:24.58 | Guerin | dabaR: aha. |
| 02:26.42 | dabaR | You are good, Guerin thank you. It is playing now:). |
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| 02:27.52 | newbdeb | bob2: already installed |
| 02:28.41 | bob2 | newbdeb: er |
| 02:28.47 | bob2 | newbdeb: did you read the error message? |
| 02:29.08 | rouns | hey how do you send a message to users logged in? |
| 02:29.14 | asg | rouns: wall |
| 02:29.38 | rouns | wall username message? |
| 02:29.51 | asg | rouns: wall <message> |
| 02:29.56 | asg | rouns: for a single user, use write |
| 02:30.30 | blafArd | Guerin: the option i needed was -ao pcm, thanks for suggesting mplayer. |
| 02:30.38 | rouns | hmm when i try that it says write user [tty] |
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| 02:31.20 | asg | rouns: if the user is logged in on more than one tty, you specify the tty to which you wish to send the message |
| 02:31.39 | asg | rouns: echo foo | write user (should pick the first logged in tty/pty) |
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| 02:32.30 | muhoo | i have two ps/2 mice: an external trackball and an internal laptop trackpad. i want to be able to switch between them on the fly. how can i do that? |
| 02:32.44 | bob2 | can X do that? |
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| 02:33.03 | muhoo | if x can't, can the linux input/mouse driver do it? |
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| 02:33.11 | asg | bob2: dunno, whenever I plug an external into the laptop, I have the lid closed ;) |
| 02:33.11 | muhoo | i don't think x can tell the difference between the devices |
| 02:33.16 | muhoo | x uses /dev/input/mice, IIRC |
| 02:33.23 | bob2 | yeah |
| 02:33.25 | bob2 | you can use both |
| 02:33.33 | bob2 | does your laptop let you disable the touchpad with a button? |
| 02:33.48 | muhoo | i can use both. but i don't want to. i want to be able to switch them. no, alas, the laptop has no hardware "off" |
| 02:33.55 | muhoo | s/laptop/trackpad/ |
| 02:34.07 | bob2 | maybe ask on the debian-x list |
| 02:34.12 | muhoo | hmm. thanks |
| 02:34.26 | muhoo | heh. 4 people on there, but hopefully one can help. will do |
| 02:34.56 | muhoo | i suspect this is a /dev/input/ question, not an x question. |
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| 02:36.42 | gravity | Actually... yes I do. X itself can't do it. |
| 02:36.47 | gravity | You'd have to do it at the kernel leve. |
| 02:36.50 | gravity | level even. |
| 02:37.03 | bob2 | list != chanel |
| 02:37.09 | danieldg | Why not try cat /dev/input/mouse0, move the mouse. then cat /dev/input/mouse1; use the correct mouse |
| 02:37.28 | rouns | hey thanks man I got it! |
| 02:37.34 | asg | you're welcome |
| 02:37.38 | rouns | =] |
| 02:38.09 | gravity | The channel is fine too |
| 02:38.27 | muhoo | the channel is *quiet* ;-) |
| 02:38.34 | interbird | [java] -- Accessing a database (JDBC) from NetBeans integrated tomcat works -- deploying to debian tomcat generates access violations -- anyone ? |
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| 02:38.46 | asg | interbird: #java? |
| 02:38.53 | muhoo | danieldg: thanks. i played with /dev/input, and IIRC *both* mice show up as /dev/input/mouse0 |
| 02:38.56 | Roots | Did xorg make its way into testing recently? |
| 02:39.00 | interbird | asg: java/jsp |
| 02:39.05 | asg | Roots: yes |
| 02:39.06 | gravity | muhoo: No one in here is sending anyone to the channel, so we're mainly using for X package development chatting |
| 02:39.07 | KudaLiar | hellow guys, have anyone had gnome 2.12 installed? |
| 02:39.12 | Roots | Sweet :) |
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| 02:39.17 | gravity | Although I set it up to allow for users with questions to ocme in |
| 02:39.23 | muhoo | i vaguely remember some /sys or /proc thing that showed me both mice separately, but i've forgotten |
| 02:39.27 | asg | interbird: I mean, have you asked in #java yet (at least to get an idea of whatever error you are getting means) |
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| 02:39.36 | muhoo | gravity: thanks. |
| 02:39.37 | gravity | bob2: Feel free to send people with X questions to #debian-x. That's why I set it up. |
| 02:39.55 | bob2 | gravity: yeah, didn't think you were around tho :) |
| 02:39.59 | interbird | asg: not really -- attaching, thx. |
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| 02:40.07 | gravity | :-) |
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| 02:40.44 | muhoo | so how would i do this at the kernel level? is there some facility in the mouse driver or will i need to hack the driver? |
| 02:40.49 | asg | interbird: to give you a shortcut, the /topic in #java indicates that ##java is the real channel (just in case) |
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| 02:42.21 | interbird | asg: i seem to have landed there, thx. |
| 02:42.33 | lunaphyte | why would a testing netinst tell me i have to use ppp finish my install, when both eth0 and eth1 show up in ifconfig? |
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| 02:43.05 | asg | lunaphyte: can you paste the exact error or message you are getting? |
| 02:43.19 | asg | lunaphyte: provided it is less than 4 lines |
| 02:43.26 | kds | netcat: lsof | grep dsp gave me three listings but they were for the btdownloadecurses process....and had dsp string in it. |
| 02:43.40 | lunaphyte | asg: let me see.. |
| 02:43.51 | kds | netcat: xmms works fine though....if I stop it, it gives me Message: alsa mixer timed out |
| 02:43.54 | liable | lunaphyte: and dont forget, it is a *testing* installer.. |
| 02:44.11 | netcat | kds: OK, I guess no other program is grabbing the device. |
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| 02:44.44 | karma1 | I just finished installing the flgrx ati radeon drivers, x server is working fine now, but i cant seem to go above 800x600 resolution. I've ran the xserver config again and selected high res's but when I into gnome and try to select another res via gnome control center, only 800x600 is listed |
| 02:44.47 | codomaniac | Latest kernel image versio on Sarge ? |
| 02:44.53 | kds | netcat: but cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp says Device busy!! |
| 02:45.00 | asg | codomaniac: 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 |
| 02:45.11 | liable | wow, security for testing.. |
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| 02:45.16 | codomaniac | asg: thanks. |
| 02:45.19 | netcat | kds: I'm confused... |
| 02:45.22 | asg | liable: it's been in the works for some time |
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| 02:45.30 | codomaniac | so if i need the 2.6.13 I need to download from kernel.org asg ? |
| 02:45.31 | abrotman | !beer asg |
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| 02:45.38 | asg | abrotman: evening |
| 02:45.49 | kds | netcat: same here :) |
| 02:45.52 | asg | codomaniac: yes, that's the least problematic way |
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| 02:46.06 | liable | asg: yes, but its finally here.. :) |
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| 02:46.36 | netcat | kds: At least you have a general idea where to keep looking. You might want to cut/paste the exact error message into google. |
| 02:46.58 | asg | liable: I've never run testing, only sid (to eek out bugs) and stable (to make a living.) Hopefully it doesn't cause issues. |
| 02:47.07 | muhoo | aha. /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 02:47.11 | muhoo | shows both. |
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| 02:47.24 | muhoo | now the question is how to tell the driver to only use one of them. |
| 02:47.45 | muhoo | wait, no, i lied. |
| 02:47.49 | liable | asg: hopefullt it'll work, and testing might be a reasonable offering for desktop users. |
| 02:47.52 | muhoo | it shows the mouse and the kbd. fark. |
| 02:48.03 | kds | netcat: I did find a bug listing on redhat with the same problem. But it doesn't say that it is fixed. I contacted the reportor (Thomas Chung -- fedoranews) and he says it works fine with the lastest rpm |
| 02:48.07 | codomaniac | sid has the kernel image package available for apt-get ?? |
| 02:48.12 | asg | liable: yes, I expect it will be. |
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| 02:48.18 | codomaniac | I mean the latest 2.6.13 |
| 02:48.19 | abrotman | codomaniac: yes .. |
| 02:48.19 | codomaniac | ? |
| 02:48.25 | muhoo | only one mouse shows up in there; ps/2 generic mouse. it can't tell the difference between the two that are connected. :-( |
| 02:48.29 | abrotman | codomaniac: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 02:48.39 | liable | codomaniac: or linux-image |
| 02:48.39 | asg | codomaniac: only 2.6.12 at the moment |
| 02:48.48 | abrotman | yeah .. whatever it is named this week |
| 02:49.05 | codomaniac | thanks. :-) |
| 02:49.10 | asg | abrotman: it will be linux-image from this point forward |
| 02:49.14 | liable | abrotman: bad day? |
| 02:49.14 | netcat | kds: maybe download the source and grep through the comments... |
| 02:49.30 | codomaniac | Just installed a ( woody minimalistic one ) |
| 02:49.39 | abrotman | liable: now that you're here .. yes :) |
| 02:49.49 | codomaniac | gotta upgrade to Sarge. and new kernel now :-) heh |
| 02:49.51 | liable | *sniff* :P |
| 02:49.52 | kds | netcat: debian source? or upstream? |
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| 02:51.02 | netcat | kds|away: I would first try Debian and if nothing looked OK, I would grab the newest. |
| 02:51.03 | lunaphyte | asg: a bit more than 4 lines : http://pastebin.com/359464 |
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| 02:52.17 | asg | lunaphyte: hmmm, did your system grab an IP (from a DHCP server) or did you configure a static one? |
| 02:53.39 | abrotman | one of each |
| 02:53.53 | asg | abrotman: double your pleasure, double your fun |
| 02:54.10 | lunaphyte | asg: actually, it was kind of odd - the installer never even asked. i left the installer on that screen, switched over to another console and manually brought up one of the nics, then switched back and was able to continue (without using ppp) |
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| 02:54.34 | lunaphyte | i like stynamic address the best of all. |
| 02:54.41 | asg | lunaphyte: ah, so you've fixed it? |
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| 02:54.57 | lunaphyte | well - yeah, for my purposes at least. |
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| 02:55.26 | asg | lunaphyte: sometimes, the installer just needs a little coaxing. Not often, but sometimes. |
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| 02:55.45 | lunaphyte | asg: good little installer. |
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| 02:56.52 | derobert | OK, it appears NForce requires non-free drivers :-( |
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| 02:57.23 | asg | !forcedeth |
| 02:57.23 | dpkg | forcedeth is, like, the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher |
| 02:58.26 | derobert | asg: Random googling said that it was unstable at gbit speeds... has that changed? |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | it appears nvidia sucks ... |
| 02:58.38 | rouns | lawl |
| 02:58.51 | gravity | Shocker! |
| 02:58.59 | asg | derobert: that I don't know. I didn't know nvidia dabbled in gig. |
| 02:59.14 | derobert | asg: nforce eth is supposed to be 10/100/1000 |
| 02:59.28 | derobert | well, let me ask this... if you had to pick a board, which chipset would you use? |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | anything but nvidia :) |
| 02:59.43 | asg | derobert: I wouldn't use an onboard nic |
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| 03:00.18 | abrotman | asg: admit .. you have a stock pile of DEC21440 cards |
| 03:00.19 | asg | derobert: at least for gigabit |
| 03:00.27 | abrotman | wait .. 21440 ? |
| 03:00.30 | asg | abrotman: no, but I have a shitload of e1000s which aren't bad |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | that's not right ... |
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| 03:00.56 | scx | get a nice day red people |
| 03:01.10 | asg | wtf? |
| 03:01.11 | gravity | uh |
| 03:01.19 | asg | !china |
| 03:01.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, china is a country, or what you eat from on holidays |
| 03:01.23 | asg | scx: ^^^ |
| 03:01.33 | asg | or was it !zh |
| 03:01.49 | rouns | er |
| 03:02.08 | rouns | hey asg my messgaes are showing up in irsso |
| 03:02.15 | derobert | So, what about the K8T8XX chipset.... I think that's supported with free drivers, right? |
| 03:02.17 | rouns | irssi |
| 03:02.18 | asg | rouns: using wall? or write? |
| 03:02.22 | rouns | write |
| 03:02.23 | rouns | lol |
| 03:02.28 | rouns | when they message me back |
| 03:02.36 | rouns | it shows up here |
| 03:02.51 | abrotman | hahahaha .. that's funny |
| 03:02.55 | asg | rouns: then stop talking to yourself? or send from a different tty (they can also chose the tty they want to use if you are on multiple ttys) |
| 03:03.47 | asg | abrotman: I'm too lazy to pull out the extension cord, night. |
| 03:04.16 | abrotman | asg: i'm getting there .. sleep well! :) |
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| 03:04.23 | abrotman | !sleep asg |
| 03:04.30 | asg | abrotman: you too |
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| 03:05.09 | abrotman | aw crap suffield is here to flame asuffield .. this could get ugly |
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| 03:05.22 | suffield | missed |
| 03:05.30 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:07.29 | diegows | any asterisk pkg maintanier here? |
| 03:08.17 | derobert | ok, one last question.... video card manufacteror with good linux support.... i.e., not nvidia, ati |
| 03:08.27 | derobert | does matrox? |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | intel,matrox |
| 03:08.34 | abrotman | !maint asterisk |
| 03:08.36 | dpkg | asterisk: Debian VoIP Team <pkg-voip-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 03:08.42 | abrotman | derobert: do your reesearch before you buy the card though |
| 03:08.56 | derobert | abrotman: something I should look out for? |
| 03:09.10 | abrotman | just check google |
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| 03:09.41 | asuffield | matrox don't any more |
| 03:09.44 | derobert | matrox has some dual-display cards... though their specs are confusing.... |
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| 03:10.23 | abrotman | the parhelia stuff isn't i guess .. but the old G{400-550} cards .. but no good for games |
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| 03:10.39 | asuffield | matrox went crazy about four years ago, and stopped making both useful cards and linux drivers |
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| 03:11.32 | abrotman | yeah .. i don't see any parhelia stuff in the xorg drivers |
| 03:11.47 | derobert | asuffield: So if matrox doesn't anymore, who is left? |
| 03:11.49 | asuffield | what would be the point? nobody owns a parhelia |
| 03:12.02 | asuffield | who wants to pay $5000 for a video card? |
| 03:12.22 | abrotman | asuffield: nah .. they still make linux drivers |
| 03:12.25 | interbird | bill ? |
| 03:12.27 | abrotman | http://matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/latest/home.cfm |
| 03:12.31 | abrotman | just not .. open afaict |
| 03:13.33 | derobert | http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/tech_info/g550_factsheet.cfm |
| 03:13.46 | derobert | That sheet is confusing.... can I connect two 1600x1200 displays to it? |
| 03:14.03 | derobert | it weirdly gives THREE different max resolutions... I can only make sense of why there are two. |
| 03:14.25 | abrotman | what sheet? |
| 03:14.32 | derobert | abrotman: http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/tech_info/g550_factsheet.cfm |
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| 03:14.43 | derobert | Maybe the 1280x1024 is for the DVI interface.... |
| 03:15.13 | abrotman | derobert: it tells you why |
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| 03:15.20 | abrotman | derobert: they include an adapter |
| 03:15.42 | Consty | Has anyone tried that native RT2500 driver for the WMP54Gv3 & 4 wireless cards? Got it to work? |
| 03:15.54 | abrotman | derobert: do research before you buy anything |
| 03:15.55 | derobert | abrotman: So, am I reading it right, that I can connect two 1600x1200 plain-old CRTs, for a total area of 3200x1200? |
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| 03:16.46 | abrotman | derobert: afaict .. that seems right .. but i wont' say for certain .. also depends on the X driver etc |
| 03:16.50 | interbird | Consty: Not me, sorry. |
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| 03:17.47 | derobert | abrotman: http://x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/mga.4.html seems to say Xorg supports it |
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| 03:18.19 | abrotman | derobert: but doesn't say what resolution |
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| 03:18.49 | derobert | abrotman: true. |
| 03:18.51 | abrotman | derobert: be aware .. those cards are not good for an avid gamer |
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| 03:19.03 | derobert | abrotman: not a gamer, so, no prob there... |
| 03:19.05 | abrotman | for starters .. it's .. 3-4 years old |
| 03:19.25 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:20.01 | derobert | abrotman: but who else makes dual-head cards with free drivers? Other than really ancient ATI stuff? |
| 03:20.17 | abrotman | that's it .. but if you're not playing games .. won't matter |
| 03:20.44 | abrotman | derobert: ask #freedesktop i think .. they might know some decent dual head cards with open drivers |
| 03:20.46 | liable | you might as well get a dual head ati if you arent gaming.. |
| 03:20.58 | abrotman | matrox! |
| 03:21.02 | derobert | abrotman: I'll ask. |
| 03:21.03 | abrotman | matrox makes the best 2d! |
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| 03:21.12 | tonsofpcs | hi everyone |
| 03:21.30 | derobert | liable: any recommended cards? |
| 03:21.46 | gordon | I don't seem to have a tkConfig.sh file, although tk is installed, how do I generate this file? |
| 03:21.49 | miag | gnite |
| 03:22.11 | gordon | or where can I get a copy of it I suppose |
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| 03:22.53 | liable | derobert: nah, am a graphics tard, but if you dont game, and need the best accell etc, your options are better. |
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| 03:23.23 | miag | derobert: cheapest nvidia card |
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| 03:23.39 | miag | just like 8319 nic |
| 03:23.42 | miag | ;) |
| 03:24.14 | liable | gordon: err, that would prolly be part of the install scripts. i would think. |
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| 03:24.45 | gordon | it came installed I think |
| 03:24.52 | m0r3 | hi all |
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| 03:24.59 | bucky | gordon, tk8.x-dev |
| 03:25.03 | gordon | there is no configure script in this tk8.4 director |
| 03:25.14 | miag | s/8319/8139/ |
| 03:25.37 | gordon | -dev? |
| 03:25.52 | bucky | yep.. it's in the dev package |
| 03:26.41 | gordon | and excellent thank you very much |
| 03:28.58 | Meshezabeel | Greetings, I have been asked to set up a student information system for the school I work for, I need to run "mysqld_safe &" and "apachectl start" when the server boots up. How do I do this, Researching this I believe I possibly have to make a script in either /etc/init.d/ or /etc/rc?.d or /etc/rc.boot so I am a bit confused as to where exactly I should put the script and how to even write the script. If anyone can help me I'd b |
| 03:30.45 | liable | Meshezabeel: you can get apache to start at boot with dpkg-reconfigure apache, dunno anything about mysql though. |
| 03:30.57 | orchid | Meshezabeel: I'm pretty sure a default apache install will already run at boot |
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| 03:31.13 | liable | it asks upon install. |
| 03:31.45 | TwistedEmotions | Errr.. what was the name of the calculator program again? |
| 03:31.59 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: dc? bc? |
| 03:32.01 | TwistedEmotions | got it.. |
| 03:32.05 | TwistedEmotions | xcalc |
| 03:32.39 | tonsofpcs | any Alpha folk around today? |
| 03:32.46 | Meshezabeel | ok, will look into that dpkg-reconfigure, it doesn't start on startup as I always have to run it manually |
| 03:32.51 | Meshezabeel | tx ;) |
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| 03:33.10 | TwistedEmotions | tonsofpcs: I'm a virgo ;) |
| 03:33.29 | tonsofpcs | TwistedEmotions - huh? |
| 03:33.41 | interbird | no i'm in beta |
| 03:33.43 | green_earz | Meshezabeel: same as with mysql setup on install to run on boot |
| 03:33.56 | TwistedEmotions | tonsofpcs any Alpha folk around today? TwistedEmotions: I'm a virgo ;) |
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| 03:34.34 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone want to tell me how I can fly from California to Alaska for like 150$ or less? |
| 03:34.42 | TwistedEmotions | I KNOW it has to be possible.. |
| 03:34.48 | liable | in the wheel well? :P |
| 03:34.52 | Coweater | mug someone with a ticket |
| 03:35.04 | interbird | TwistedEmotions: Get some paper and some wax... |
| 03:35.15 | tonsofpcs | TwistedEmotions - get someone to fly you in a cessna |
| 03:35.25 | TwistedEmotions | tonsofpcs: good thinking! |
| 03:35.32 | liable | fuck that.. |
| 03:35.35 | green_earz | TwistedEmotions: in the post ? |
| 03:35.40 | tonsofpcs | lol |
| 03:35.49 | TwistedEmotions | why fuck that? |
| 03:36.05 | tonsofpcs | or a piper... |
| 03:36.14 | tonsofpcs | just don't trust the old stinson voyagers anymore |
| 03:36.24 | liable | you ever spent much time in them little things? |
| 03:36.26 | TwistedEmotions | Dude... I got two weeks before school starts ;P and like 400$ budget ;P |
| 03:36.41 | liable | school in alaska? |
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| 03:37.18 | TwistedEmotions | liable: hahahha I rode a "redeye" flight once that fit a total of 20 other people... hahah man was that funny. Poor woman next to me... I'm 250lbs... she was like 11lbs... |
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| 03:37.27 | derobert | Wow. Asus is making it easy for me to choose between them and ABIT. |
| 03:37.36 | green_earz | TwistedEmotions: ask if you can use ssh -X |
| 03:38.02 | TwistedEmotions | liable: no california... just wanted to go to alaska.... only place exotic, close and decently cheap. Plus it's cold... |
| 03:38.02 | liable | TwistedEmotions: and you had curry the night before? :P |
| 03:38.06 | green_earz | you will have a desktop |
| 03:38.20 | TwistedEmotions | liable: hahahah that would have been great. but no ;( |
| 03:38.31 | TwistedEmotions | No one here owns a private jet they can loan me? |
| 03:38.37 | TwistedEmotions | Basterds.. ;P |
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| 03:38.51 | TwistedEmotions | Company Jets will do too :P |
| 03:39.05 | liable | not fussy are ya. :) |
| 03:39.26 | tonsofpcs | TwistedEmotions - check [small] local airports for small plane flying clubs, they might be willing to fly ya out there for cheap |
| 03:39.42 | tonsofpcs | just be sure the person flying is used to landing on ice/snow |
| 03:40.07 | liable | isnt california down the bottom bit, and alaska at the top of usa? |
| 03:40.19 | tonsofpcs | liable - california is huge |
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| 03:40.26 | TwistedEmotions | tonsofpcs: I'm willing to risk it if they are willing to take me... but I HIGHLY doubt it... cause im guessing like 3-4 hour flight... guessing gas alone will cost more then 400 ;( |
| 03:40.29 | miag | does debian supports ppc64? |
| 03:40.35 | TwistedEmotions | miag: yes. |
| 03:40.36 | tonsofpcs | it runs from about the 45 to the 25... |
| 03:40.52 | tonsofpcs | TwistedEmotions - some of them just fly for hours each week, just for the hell of it |
| 03:40.58 | TwistedEmotions | miag: #debian-ppc |
| 03:41.05 | Erudified | Hi. I'd like to export a certain DISPLAY variable whenever I ssh into my box from an xterm, can someone sorta gimme an idea how I'd do that? |
| 03:41.08 | tonsofpcs | they may be happy to actually be doing something more than circling the runway |
| 03:41.25 | Plazma | is it possible for one to be really into art and creativity and at the same time be logical enough to be a good programmer? |
| 03:41.29 | liable | holy shit, 1degree is like 60 nm, which equals a shit load (1200nm?) |
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| 03:41.37 | TwistedEmotions | miag: if you have a question you can ask here too. |
| 03:41.39 | Erudified | ~/.bashrc if [ TERM = "xterm"]; DISPLAY=192.168.0.2:0;fi ? |
| 03:41.49 | tonsofpcs | Plazma - yes |
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| 03:41.54 | tonsofpcs | liable - lemme get the exact numbers |
| 03:42.02 | gordon | I just apt-got imlib1 and imlib11 and both times got this error: |
| 03:42.04 | gordon | Setting up imlib1 (1.9.14-16.2) ... |
| 03:42.05 | gordon | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libsdp.so.2 is not a symbolic link |
| 03:42.09 | TwistedEmotions | liable: sounds right... |
| 03:42.10 | miag | TwistedEmotions: i mean ppc64 not powerpc |
| 03:42.13 | Plazma | woa wrong room, but hmm |
| 03:42.25 | green_earz | miag: have look at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 03:42.25 | TwistedEmotions | miag: Errr.. hahah ... just kidding.. |
| 03:42.32 | gordon | why does it stop there and how do I go about making it continue? |
| 03:42.33 | Plazma | tonsofpcs, think so eh? |
| 03:42.45 | tonsofpcs | Plazma - yea, maybe not the best, but still pretty darn good |
| 03:42.49 | liable | Plazma: one way to find out.. |
| 03:43.01 | tonsofpcs | i met someone that worked programming for lockheed martin that was a composer.... |
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| 03:43.09 | TwistedEmotions | liable: That sounds right... as 1 degree = 60 minutes = 1200 seconds. |
| 03:43.29 | TwistedEmotions | liable: I am guessing though... just remember that from surveying in construction. |
| 03:43.33 | liable | TwistedEmotions: yeah, 1 minute = 1nm |
| 03:43.44 | liable | TwistedEmotions: i know, i am a pilot. :) |
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| 03:44.10 | TwistedEmotions | tonsofpcs: it runs from about the 45 to the 25... <<--- Where you talking about degrees? |
| 03:44.11 | Erudified | hey neato I got it working |
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| 03:44.23 | tonsofpcs | liable - from about 32'45' N to about 42' north |
| 03:44.30 | TwistedEmotions | liable: asshole. this whole time? And I had to ride on your shoulders? |
| 03:44.36 | tonsofpcs | TwistedEmotions - yea, approximations |
| 03:44.53 | tonsofpcs | TwistedEmotions - he likes people on his shoulders when he flys, that's his motto "you fly on my shoulders" |
| 03:45.14 | tonsofpcs | just like the big airlines have you fly "on our wings" |
| 03:45.16 | liable | not likely.. get in shut up.. :P |
| 03:45.17 | TwistedEmotions | so 120,000 nautical miles? Roughly? |
| 03:45.18 | petemc | organised religion == teh suq |
| 03:45.40 | TwistedEmotions | **12,000 |
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| 03:46.06 | TwistedEmotions | That doesnt sound right... I looked it up in yahoo maps and it said 3600 miles... |
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| 03:46.24 | interbird | 120,000 miles is more than 3 times round the earth |
| 03:46.28 | liable | TwistedEmotions: that was just for ca i think. |
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| 03:46.47 | liable | TwistedEmotions: and in nautical which is a bit bigger than statute.. |
| 03:47.08 | tonsofpcs | CA is about 650 nm iirc |
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| 03:47.37 | liable | 10 degrees, yeah, times 60 roughly 600nm |
| 03:47.40 | TwistedEmotions | 3197.1 miles driving... from my house... Bay area, CA ---> Anchorage, Alaska |
| 03:47.55 | TwistedEmotions | Ohhhh... |
| 03:48.03 | TwistedEmotions | I transfered into seconds.. |
| 03:48.06 | TwistedEmotions | ;) Whoops |
| 03:48.37 | TwistedEmotions | So what are you doing this weekend liable? *Wink Wink* |
| 03:48.50 | Xsquared | hi, im having alot of trouble with securing my network with WPA. I have a Prism54 card and have installed wpa_supplicant. I have tried numerous different config's but nothing seems to be working. What should i do now? Am i even using the right WPA athenticating thing? |
| 03:48.53 | TwistedEmotions | everyone in #debian lets go to alaska. |
| 03:48.56 | liable | haha, drinking beer and getting ready for a fishing trip :P |
| 03:49.02 | gravity | Sounds good to me |
| 03:49.08 | TwistedEmotions | We can super cool our CPU's. |
| 03:49.17 | tonsofpcs | TwistedEmotions - i doubt he is flying all the way to cali to fly you to alaska lol |
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| 03:49.36 | TwistedEmotions | tonsofpcs: Yeah... he's selfish. Basterd. |
| 03:49.39 | liable | Xsquared: did you look in the example file for clues? |
| 03:49.46 | Xsquared | liable, yes |
| 03:49.49 | TwistedEmotions | jkin... lub you all ;) |
| 03:49.54 | tonsofpcs | TwistedEmotions - he's in australia |
| 03:50.19 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Just kidding.. fuck alaska... take me to your house.. were going fishing. |
| 03:50.31 | liable | your on! |
| 03:50.38 | TwistedEmotions | hahahaha |
| 03:50.47 | petemc | yer ma |
| 03:50.54 | liable | eww |
| 03:50.56 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 03:50.59 | Agrajag- | ok, testing nicely installed x.org for me, but i have a few problems with it and would like to switch back to xfree for a bit. i remember the installer said to just change the /etc/X11/X symlink, but i can't remember where to - i've tried /usr/X11R6/bin/X but that doesn't work |
| 03:51.08 | TwistedEmotions | !slap petemc |
| 03:51.31 | liable | Xsquared: /j #flood i'll show ya mine, not much to it. |
| 03:51.33 | Xsquared | liable, do you know what the difference between wpa_supplicant and hostapd is? |
| 03:51.56 | Xsquared | ok |
| 03:51.58 | Xsquared | im in |
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| 03:52.57 | Xsquared | liable, do you have a Prism54 card? |
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| 03:53.26 | metaperl | i have an external Iomega dvd burner that I want Debian to see... what should I do? |
| 03:53.37 | liable | Xsquared: doesnt matter, as long as wpasupplicant supports it. |
| 03:53.48 | TwistedEmotions | metaperl: a IOMEGA Dvd-burner? |
| 03:54.05 | Xsquared | liable, yours looks exactly like mine, other than the SSID and the psk |
| 03:54.07 | metaperl | TwistedEmotions: it burns dvds |
| 03:54.09 | petemc | yerma.org/~pete |
| 03:54.29 | TwistedEmotions | metaperl: or so it claims. |
| 03:54.33 | liable | Xsquared: try restarting wpasupplicant and double check your key |
| 03:54.52 | metaperl | Iomega Super DVD writer 16x... what is so hard-to-believe about that? |
| 03:55.06 | TwistedEmotions | That Iomega still exists? |
| 03:55.40 | Supaplex | well of course they still exist |
| 03:55.41 | metaperl | I bought it new about 2 months ago... it has worked on Fedora just fine... I think fedora recognized and mounted it... I dont know what ot do to get Debian to notice it |
| 03:56.12 | TwistedEmotions | Im still sick from the whole "zip drive" thing catching on.... |
| 03:56.13 | Xsquared | liable, i also might have the problem with my wireless router. It doesn't encrypt the phrase or anything.. it just has an input box for the key. Does that have to be encrypted too? |
| 03:57.18 | liable | Xsquared: isnt the phrase for wep? |
| 03:57.36 | Xsquared | liable, no, im using WPA-PSK |
| 03:57.46 | liable | Xsquared: i just put the key in, and away i went. |
| 03:58.20 | liable | Xsquared: is ssid broadcast enabled? |
| 03:58.22 | Xsquared | liable, and you used wpa-passgen or whatever it is to encrypt the key.. right? |
| 03:58.33 | liable | Xsquared: i just made it up.. |
| 03:58.44 | Xsquared | wpa_password <SSID> <passkey> |
| 03:58.46 | Xsquared | ? |
| 03:58.53 | interbird | metaperl: usb interface ? |
| 03:58.54 | metaperl | how do I get my usb-based iomega super dvd writer recognized and useable by Debian? |
| 03:58.58 | metaperl | interbird: yes |
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| 03:59.19 | Xsquared | liable, is your psk in #flood encrypted or is that the plaintext version? |
| 03:59.28 | liable | Xsquared: i just randomly smashed the keyboard untill i had the required number of bits. |
| 03:59.38 | Xsquared | liable, awesome |
| 03:59.42 | liable | plaintext |
| 03:59.42 | miag | can debian support CELL? curious. |
| 03:59.45 | interbird | metaperl: fdisk -l show any sda* devices ? |
| 03:59.46 | Xsquared | liable, i might do that too |
| 04:00.03 | liable | Xsquared: make sure ssid broadcast is on too. |
| 04:00.07 | metaperl | interbird: no, just hda |
| 04:00.13 | Xsquared | liable, it is |
| 04:00.18 | liable | ok |
| 04:00.31 | sweetbret | is there an advantage to running make-kpkg with --initrd as opposed to without? |
| 04:00.45 | interbird | metaperl: what system you use ? |
| 04:00.54 | metaperl | system? I use testing |
| 04:01.48 | liable | brb |
| 04:01.58 | metaperl | I guess rebooting wouldnt be a bad idea, but I was hoping for a modprobe command... |
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| 04:03.51 | metaperl | k3b detected it and is burning to it... |
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| 04:04.04 | interbird | metaperl: hope for that after a reboot ? |
| 04:04.27 | metaperl | interbird: no, k3b detected it without rebooting and is burning an ISO right now |
| 04:04.34 | interbird | metaperl: otherwise, checkput how knoppix live-cd thinks about it |
| 04:04.50 | interbird | metaperl: so, it works ? |
| 04:05.24 | metaperl | interbird: it is burning away noisily, so I hope so. thanks for your input |
| 04:05.28 | metaperl | :) |
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| 04:06.00 | interbird | metaperl: ntx |
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| 04:09.21 | liable | !ntx |
| 04:09.43 | liable | interbird: ntx? |
| 04:11.00 | liable | TwistedEmotions: is it salmon spawning time in alaska? my parents were there for that, and said it was pretty cool. |
| 04:11.29 | liable | !hi |
| 04:11.30 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 04:12.03 | Bac9 | why does xorg need to depend on discover1? |
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| 04:13.21 | sweetbret | any one know if there is a .deb of the realtek 8180 wireless card drivers? |
| 04:13.34 | sweetbret | i tried to use the online package search but didn;t find anything |
| 04:14.42 | caphuso | Bac9: it doesn't |
| 04:14.56 | Bac9 | caphuso: aptitude says it does |
| 04:15.17 | caphuso | $ apt-cache show xserver-xorg | grep discover1 |
| 04:15.18 | caphuso | Recommends: xlibs, discover1, mdetect, xresprobe (>= 0.4.13), laptop-detect |
| 04:15.33 | Bac9 | caphuso: and why does it recomend it? |
| 04:15.49 | sweetbret | or i guess the better question is, if i download the drivers from realtek, and i need to use "make" to build and config them, is it ok to jsut use the normal make or do i need to make a .deb file then install from that |
| 04:15.52 | orchid | Bac9: to probe hardware id guess |
| 04:16.01 | caphuso | Bac9: for automatic hardware configuration |
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| 04:16.10 | Moi` | /dev/hda is where hard drives live, even if they're sata? |
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| 04:16.16 | Overand | it appears to reccomend it, not require it |
| 04:16.17 | Bac9 | caphuso: then why not recomend discover(discover2) why such old version? or why not recomend hotplug? |
| 04:16.33 | gravity | discover serves a different purpose from hotplug |
| 04:16.40 | gravity | And as for discover2... well... we'll see |
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| 04:16.43 | gravity | I haven't decided. |
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| 04:16.58 | caphuso | Bac9: dunno |
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| 04:17.07 | Bac9 | orchid, Overand: but why such old version and not newer version or anything more recent like hotplug and friends? |
| 04:17.52 | gravity | Bac9: hotplug can't be queried like discover can |
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| 04:18.02 | Bac9 | caphuso: I donno either, doesn't make sence to me, so i am sticking with xfree untill they get this resolved, I already tried upgrading a box to xorg and now it wouldn't start a window manager |
| 04:18.03 | gravity | Bac9: X needs something like discover to determine which video driver to use |
| 04:18.07 | gravity | It does for me |
| 04:18.12 | interbird | liable: short for: no thanks |
| 04:18.12 | Ryushin | Hello all. I'm at a total loss here. I've compiled literaly hundreds of kernels. But I have a box that everytime it boots, it will not read the correct System.map file (If it even checks). Doing a depmod -a results in a bunch of unresolved symbols. Doing a depmod -a -F /boot/System.map shows it fine. What is broken here and how do I fix it? |
| 04:18.13 | gravity | Seeing as I maintain both Xorg and discover |
| 04:18.29 | gravity | Although my discover work has been... er... lacking lately |
| 04:18.37 | Bac9 | gravity: isn't xorg configurable like xfree86 and can't it be told what video driver to use? and why doesn't it use discover2? |
| 04:18.56 | gravity | Bac9: It can be told, but if you want to figure it out automagically, the Debian packages use discover |
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| 04:19.18 | gravity | Bac9: And as for discover2, classically it's been undermaintained. This has been changing lately, but not enough that I'm comfortable switching from discover1 to discover2 |
| 04:19.36 | gravity | Bac9: Once X is configured, it has no use for discover any more |
| 04:19.44 | Bac9 | gravity: after trying to install all parts of xorg that don't conflict with anything on my system when I boot x the windowmanager doesn't boot, but the xterm (started from same .xsession) does, and if I start windowmanager from that xterm X restarts |
| 04:20.10 | gravity | Bac9: Uh... wtf does that mean? All parts of xorg that don't conflict with anything on your system? |
| 04:20.15 | Bac9 | gravity: what about an "either or" for discover1/2? |
| 04:20.21 | gravity | Bac9: It's useless for a recommends |
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| 04:20.29 | gravity | The package will use discover2 if it's there |
| 04:20.58 | Bac9 | gravity: x-windows-system-core is conflicts because of discover1 conflicting with discover2, but the rest of the libs are ok |
| 04:21.11 | gravity | Bac9: It shouldn't matter. Don't force the recommends. |
| 04:21.21 | gravity | Recommends don't cause conflicts. |
| 04:21.29 | gravity | Or rather, they don't have to |
| 04:21.33 | whitehorse1 | If I've just run and completed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg via a terminal in kde, is there a way to test if the options are okay prior to reboot; in case something broke and'd prevent getting back into kde? |
| 04:21.38 | Bac9 | gravity: nope, dependency (recomends) states discover1, and if discover1 is installed discover2 is removed (they conflict) |
| 04:21.52 | gravity | Bac9: What are you using to install X? |
| 04:21.56 | Bac9 | gravity: I have my setup treat recomends as depends |
| 04:21.56 | caphuso | Bac9: so don't install discover1 |
| 04:22.03 | caphuso | geez |
| 04:22.03 | Bac9 | gravity: aptitude |
| 04:22.06 | _eXoDuS | whitehorse1: xnest |
| 04:22.06 | gravity | Bac9: Change that. Or install discover1. |
| 04:22.11 | gravity | It's up to you. |
| 04:22.16 | _eXoDuS | whitehorse1: or learn to make changes from the console |
| 04:22.22 | bob2 | discover1 < * |
| 04:22.30 | gravity | Bah. discover1 is fine |
| 04:22.37 | gravity | I'll kill it by fixing X, but not before |
| 04:22.41 | Bac9 | gravity: what are the chances of xorg depending on "discover1 | discover2"? |
| 04:22.45 | gravity | Bac9: Low |
| 04:22.52 | gravity | Bac9: Because it doesn't Depend at all. |
| 04:22.53 | whitehorse1 | It did say the system startup links weren't changed (xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration |
| 04:22.54 | whitehorse1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.54 | whitehorse1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.03 | Bac9 | gravity: I mean recomend |
| 04:23.07 | gravity | Bac9: Low. None. |
| 04:23.08 | whitehorse1 | is that likely to be a problem? |
| 04:23.13 | _eXoDuS | whitehorse1: no |
| 04:23.17 | Bac9 | gravity: just out of interest why? |
| 04:23.18 | whitehorse1 | ok thanks :) |
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| 04:23.48 | gravity | Bac9: There's no point to it. It's a recommends. Not a depends. That's entirely dependant on your own configuration. |
| 04:24.03 | bob2 | gravity: do you just use it for card detection? |
| 04:24.16 | gravity | bob2: For X? Yeah. |
| 04:24.34 | Bac9 | gravity: just asking, as it seems for my situation it'd resolve an "inconvinience" |
| 04:24.40 | bob2 | fair enough |
| 04:24.46 | gravity | Bac9: Dude... you're making this harder on yourself. |
| 04:25.00 | Overand | yeah forcing all 'reccomends' is not a good idea. |
| 04:25.04 | Overand | in the first place |
| 04:25.14 | gravity | Bac9: Why not install discover1 then? Why do you *need* discover2? Do you even know what benefits it provides? |
| 04:25.34 | gravity | Or is it just "newer must be better" |
| 04:26.01 | Bac9 | gravity: I am being pedantic (sorry if it bothers you, just want to know all reasons to why before I do anything) |
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| 04:26.07 | |ee | hi |
| 04:26.16 | |ee | i need install e17 on debian sarge |
| 04:26.44 | mwilson | |ee: Then do so. Nothing is stopping you. |
| 04:27.00 | |ee | ok |
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| 04:27.10 | gravity | Heh... slashdot posts an "E is pretty again!" story and all of a sudden you have enlightenment fans coming out of the woodwork |
| 04:27.21 | gravity | When for years no one would touch it |
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| 04:27.42 | mwilson | gravity: He's not an E "fan", and you know it. Look at the nick. |
| 04:27.55 | gravity | Heh |
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| 04:28.58 | nige | is it possible |
| 04:29.05 | nige | to recover my hdd |
| 04:29.08 | nige | i did a mkfs on it |
| 04:29.20 | nige | and now all my datas appear to be gone |
| 04:29.25 | Bac9 | gravity: but basically yes 'it just "newer must be better"' syndrome, is that wrong? |
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| 04:30.19 | mwilson | nige: Restore your backup,and move on. |
| 04:30.24 | gravity | Bac9: In this case, yes. discover1 will do what you need it to do. |
| 04:30.38 | nige | i have no back |
| 04:30.42 | nige | it was my backup :S |
| 04:31.20 | mwilson | Wtf does :S mean? |
| 04:31.34 | orchid | maybe a typo? |
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| 04:31.43 | deadcat | mwilson: thats a vi command? |
| 04:31.44 | nige | sorry about that |
| 04:31.47 | nige | wrong button |
| 04:31.51 | nige | yer that was my backup :S |
| 04:31.53 | deadcat | mwilson: what you got? |
| 04:31.59 | Bac9 | gravity: by the way since you said you maintain X, can I bounce a small question off of you re: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xfree86-common_determine-startup ? |
| 04:32.12 | mwilson | deadcat: HP NC6000. |
| 04:32.20 | gravity | Bac9: Ok |
| 04:32.36 | mwilson | deadcat: I needed something to run XP on. |
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| 04:32.49 | nige | i am screwed arent i? |
| 04:32.49 | deadcat | mwilson: looks big |
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| 04:33.03 | mwilson | Sure you're not looking at the NC8000? |
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| 04:33.20 | mwilson | The 6000 only has a 14.1" screen. 5 lbs. |
| 04:33.36 | Bac9 | gravity: for the case where a person has the *dm select the wm, but still has a ~/.Xsession (and presumably wants to execute it) would it be possible to pass the wm as $1 to ~/.Xsession and have it doeal with it? (it's a 4 line patch) |
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| 04:33.59 | mwilson | gravity: Please, say no. |
| 04:34.06 | gravity | Bac9: That's... insane. |
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| 04:34.16 | Bac9 | gravity: how so? |
| 04:34.27 | mwilson | gravity: It's not just that "*dm select the wm" is a nonsense statement... |
| 04:34.53 | gravity | Bac9: Because it doesn't really make any sense. |
| 04:35.11 | Bac9 | gravity: I have on a box kdm start a window manager but I want the .Xsession processed too, so I just pass the wm as $1 to ~/.xsession then start some stuff in ~/.xsession and also start the chosen wm |
| 04:35.12 | deadcat | mwilson: 6000 |
| 04:35.18 | mombof | any-o-yoots have volume control problems with sarge-powerpc |
| 04:35.38 | deadcat | mombof: no |
| 04:35.50 | gravity | Bac9: That would break a lot of ~/.xsession's |
| 04:35.52 | nige | anyone got any ideas? |
| 04:36.04 | Bac9 | gravity: in my case I want to start a keyboard layout switcher, but not hardcode what wm to start withing ~/.xsession |
| 04:36.11 | mombof | i can't sem to get my volume to turn down it's either on or really on |
| 04:36.15 | Bac9 | gravity: how so? |
| 04:36.27 | mwilson | No, he just wants to hard-code it somewhere else, somewhere silly. |
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| 04:36.44 | Bac9 | gravity: right now you just ignore ~/.xsession if a wm was chosen by *dm |
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| 04:36.54 | mwilson | Bac9: Uh, no. |
| 04:36.56 | Bac9 | gravity: how would that break anything? |
| 04:36.58 | Bac9 | mwilson: ? |
| 04:37.04 | gravity | Bac9: If you select kde in your *dm, you'll execute your ~/.xsession. For most people this will execute their ~/.xsession including whatever wm they have selected |
| 04:37.06 | Bac9 | gravity: I am genuinly qurious |
| 04:37.24 | gravity | So you'll have KDE and say... gnome-session executing at the same time in my case |
| 04:37.55 | mwilson | Bac9: What you're *trying* to say is that choosing a particular session file ignores the user's ~/.xsession file. |
| 04:37.58 | Bac9 | gravity: I'd assume if people have ~/.xsession they already set it up (since it's not created by default) |
| 04:38.05 | gravity | So I'd have to rewrite my ~/.xsession to check for that param and not run gnome-session if it receieves something other than default |
| 04:38.13 | Bac9 | mwilson: I don't follow |
| 04:38.14 | mwilson | Bac9: That is NOT the same thing as "*dm choosing a wm". |
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| 04:38.24 | Bac9 | mwilson: please rephrase |
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| 04:38.50 | mwilson | Bac9: We know you don't follow. Accept that gravity knows far more than you about how it works, that he's right, and move on. |
| 04:39.12 | mwilson | *I* certanly am not hacking up my ~/.xsession to deal with such stupidity. |
| 04:39.19 | Bac9 | gravity: chances are your ~/.xsession is not written, and if it is then it'll ignore $1 anyway and thus just run your gnome-session, I fail to see point of breakage |
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| 04:39.38 | gravity | Bac9: If I decide to run twm from gdm, it'll run both twm and gnome |
| 04:39.38 | Bac9 | mwilson: is it wrong to learn from people that know more? |
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| 04:39.42 | gravity | Bac9: In your case |
| 04:39.47 | gravity | Bac9: That's broken |
| 04:39.49 | Bac9 | gravity: why both? |
| 04:39.57 | gravity | Bac9: Think about it. I have my ~/.xsession set to start gnome |
| 04:40.12 | Bac9 | gravity: if ~/.xsession ignores $1 it'll only run what's inside and if it doesn't then it'll run $1 |
| 04:40.13 | gravity | Bac9: Currently, if I select twm from my gdm session, it only executes twm and ignores ~/.xsession |
| 04:40.27 | Bac9 | gravity: k |
| 04:40.30 | Bac9 | gravity: and? |
| 04:40.35 | deadcat | mwilson: how many laptops do you have? |
| 04:40.52 | mwilson | deadcat: Three. |
| 04:40.53 | gravity | Bac9: If I slect twm in your scheme, it first executes my ~/.xsession. My ~/.xsession ignores $1 and runs gnome-session |
| 04:41.02 | gravity | Bac9: Then gdm will run twm as I selected in my menu |
| 04:41.05 | deadcat | mwilson: and what do you do? |
| 04:41.09 | gravity | Bac9: So I'll be running both twm and gnome. |
| 04:41.10 | gravity | Bac9: See? |
| 04:41.11 | Bac9 | gravity: why the "then" part? |
| 04:41.13 | mwilson | deadcat: What do I do how? |
| 04:41.20 | Bac9 | gravity: no "then" part |
| 04:41.22 | gravity | Bac9: What do you mean? |
| 04:41.22 | deadcat | mwilson: work.. |
| 04:41.53 | Bac9 | gravity: only run ~/.xsession with parameter $1, don't run $1 after running ~/.xsession |
| 04:41.54 | mwilson | deadcat: Why? What does that have to do with anything? These are mine, not work. |
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| 04:42.04 | gravity | Bac9: No. That'll break *everything* |
| 04:42.11 | Bac9 | gravity: explain please? |
| 04:42.12 | deadcat | mwilson: i know. but the job allows you to buy all these toys right? |
| 04:42.14 | mwilson | gravity: Take pity on him, he doesn't understand session files. |
| 04:42.35 | gravity | Bac9: Then no one will be able to run a wm straight from their *dm if they don't have an ~/.xsession set up |
| 04:42.52 | Bac9 | gravity: if the don't then it falls through |
| 04:42.58 | gravity | Bac9: Or if they do have the ~/.xsession set up, they'll have to edit it |
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| 04:43.04 | gravity | Bac9: Your scheme *breaks* things |
| 04:43.05 | Bac9 | gravity: nope |
| 04:43.07 | gravity | Ugh |
| 04:43.09 | gravity | Idiot |
| 04:43.17 | gravity | Yay ignore |
| 04:43.18 | Bac9 | gravity: your scripts are great, they account for that |
| 04:43.23 | gravity | I can only explain it so many times |
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| 04:43.41 | deadcat | gravity: (= |
| 04:43.54 | stew | icewm sucks |
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| 04:44.10 | Bac9 | gravity: take a look at the file, remove 'if [ -z "$STARTUP" ]; then', the corresponding "fi" and change "'STARTUP="sh $STARTUPFILE"' to 'STARTUP="sh $STARTUPFILE $STARTUP"' and you'll see what I mean |
| 04:44.27 | deadcat | stew: thanks. your opinion really matters here in #debian |
| 04:44.29 | Bac9 | gravity: the 4th line is the 'STARTUP="$STARTUPFILE"' that's changes similarly |
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| 04:44.59 | bucky | stew.. we all knew that, it's only good for a low mem foot print on knoppix |
| 04:45.03 | cleit0n | hi, how i do in lilo.cof to boot one windows in hdb too... my hda is only debian, but dont boot hdb... |
| 04:45.03 | Bac9 | gravity: your next "if" makes sure that at least some wm is started, but if something is started then it doesn't start anything else |
| 04:45.04 | AvengerMoJo | hi |
| 04:45.34 | AvengerMoJo | anyone some how to on Media Read..e.g. sandisk |
| 04:45.46 | Bac9 | gravity: then if you have a min please explain in which case it'll break things? I really can't think of a case and want to know what I've missed |
| 04:45.49 | stew | doesn't matter like now that new libc6 and xorg and g++ hit etch my puter is running like 20% faster |
| 04:45.50 | mwilson | bucky: Actually icewm is good for all sorts of things, while Knoppix is good for very little. |
| 04:45.52 | stew | </troll> |
| 04:45.55 | Bac9 | gravity: seriously genuinly qurious |
| 04:46.01 | gravity | Hehe |
| 04:46.18 | deadcat | !start a distro war |
| 04:46.18 | dpkg | Progeny owns! |
| 04:46.23 | stew | werd |
| 04:46.25 | interbird | sleep tight you all |
| 04:46.29 | mwilson | Bac9: Why do you insist on spelling "curious" with a Q? |
| 04:46.46 | Bac9 | mwilson: because xchat doesn't have spellcheck built in |
| 04:46.51 | mwilson | Bac9: Is that some new form of 'leet that I'm not familiar with? |
| 04:46.52 | bucky | he's queerious |
| 04:47.01 | deadcat | mwilson: thosre are aol skillz |
| 04:47.06 | Overand | mwilson's in a mood. |
| 04:47.21 | deadcat | Overand: when does he NOT? (= |
| 04:47.40 | mwilson | If someone actually needs a spellchecker in an IRC client, they need to get off IRC and back to the real world. |
| 04:47.43 | Overand | fair enough |
| 04:47.48 | deadcat | !tell cillm about away |
| 04:47.56 | Overand | mwilson: I guess you've never had a friend or relative with dyslexia. |
| 04:48.03 | cillm | oh, whoops |
| 04:48.06 | cillm | did i miss something? |
| 04:48.11 | cleit0n | please, how do i boot windows xp with lilo.. |
| 04:48.16 | Overand | mwilson: Obviously everyone in the world knows how to spell and anyone who doesn't is just *stupid* right? |
| 04:48.21 | cillm | sorry, i thought i had read all of the rules |
| 04:48.23 | deadcat | cillm: keep your away/back shit to yourself please |
| 04:48.44 | mwilson | Overand: If you say so. I certainly didn't say that. |
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| 04:48.54 | Overand | mwilson: no, you just insulted spellcheckers. |
| 04:48.59 | AvengerMoJo | anyone some how to on Media Reader..e.g. sandisk |
| 04:49.04 | mwilson | Overand: Wrong again. |
| 04:49.28 | Overand | mwilson: can you open ~/.humanity/config.xml and set your troll down a few levels? |
| 04:49.44 | deadcat | oh girl!! |
| 04:49.48 | Overand | AvengerMoJo: What's your native language? |
| 04:49.49 | mwilson | Overand: Dunno... can you learn to interpret simple English? |
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| 04:50.25 | AvengerMoJo | Overand: sorry about that :) havn't sleep for so long ... |
| 04:50.27 | Overand | mwilson: Yeah, see, clearly you didn't follow my suggestion. I'm not interested in fighting with you. You can keep it up by yourself if you want, though. |
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| 04:50.40 | AvengerMoJo | anyone get some how to on Media Reader..e.g. sandisk |
| 04:50.47 | Overand | AvengerMoJo: you're trying to use a USB card reader? |
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| 04:50.55 | deadcat | someone tell a joke to break the attention.. |
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| 04:51.02 | AvengerMoJo | Overand: no .. on board |
| 04:51.03 | deadcat | hmmm |
| 04:51.18 | deadcat | should be tention isnt it? |
| 04:51.19 | AvengerMoJo | Overand: cs pickup the inject |
| 04:51.21 | mwilson | Overand: Seeing as how you picked the "fight" (my having not spoken to you beforehand)... I have no idea what you are or aren't interested in. In any case, /ignore works wonders. |
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| 04:51.47 | AvengerMoJo | Overand: but I'm not sure where and what driver to try ... google didn't help |
| 04:52.02 | deadcat | guys... we dont need to /ignore.. |
| 04:52.06 | deadcat | ... we need a winner |
| 04:52.13 | AvengerMoJo | Overand: 0000:02:03.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev ac) |
| 04:52.26 | AvengerMoJo | Overand: 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM (ICH4) SMBus Controller (rev 01) |
| 04:52.34 | Xenguy | mwilson: tried irssi, and found it wanting then? |
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| 04:52.51 | mwilson | irssi is wanting on SO many levels. |
| 04:53.13 | mwilson | Prime among them the lack of anything that can be called documentation. |
| 04:53.25 | Overand | There *was* the wiki that the kiddies took down |
| 04:53.26 | Xenguy | mwilson: I tried to hack epic to do what I wanted, and found irssi easier in the end (but YMMV and all that) |
| 04:53.32 | gravity | The /help is pretty good for basic stuff |
| 04:53.37 | gravity | Waaaay better than bitchx |
| 04:53.52 | mwilson | gravity: Uh, telnet to the IRCd is better than BX. |
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| 04:53.57 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 04:53.58 | deadcat | gravity: whats the status on 6.9? |
| 04:54.04 | gravity | deadcat: It's in |
| 04:54.12 | deadcat | gravity: when? can i get it? |
| 04:54.13 | Overand | Who needs telnet? |
| 04:54.15 | gravity | For i386 at any rate. Not sure if you have ppc. |
| 04:54.21 | deadcat | oh |
| 04:54.23 | gravity | deadcat: It's in experimental. |
| 04:54.27 | Overand | I just call my PPP ISP and whistle. |
| 04:54.29 | mwilson | gravity: Are you starting numbering from -1 again? |
| 04:54.33 | deadcat | gravity: ah. |
| 04:54.53 | gravity | mwilson: Eventually. The 6.9rc candidates are all going to be 0pre# |
| 04:54.55 | deadcat | gravity: i have high hopes for 6.9 (= |
| 04:55.04 | gravity | deadcat: We'll see. |
| 04:55.08 | gravity | I hope it works out |
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| 04:55.17 | deadcat | gravity: your friend still dont have xcompmgr and transset uploaded yet |
| 04:55.19 | mwilson | Hm... how long this time should we all wait? |
| 04:55.24 | gravity | deadcat: My friend? |
| 04:55.28 | lgd_ | hi all |
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| 04:55.34 | deadcat | gravity: thats what you said last time. |
| 04:55.35 | Bac9 | gravity: so what did you think? |
| 04:55.41 | gravity | deadcat: I did? |
| 04:55.47 | deadcat | gravity: yeep |
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| 04:55.57 | lgd_ | can i ask one some of php? |
| 04:55.58 | gravity | I don't recall saying anything about those apps |
| 04:56.11 | gravity | mwilson: Well, definitely at least wait until it's released by upstream. |
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| 04:56.31 | gravity | mwilson: Now that I'm not racing to catch up, I'm hoping the earlier packages will be of higher quality. |
| 04:56.34 | gravity | But we'll see. |
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| 04:56.37 | mwilson | gravity: Oh, I'm certainly in no rush... next month or next year, means little to me. |
| 04:56.37 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 04:56.38 | deadcat | gravity: i am pretty sure you did (=... you said your friend is working on them and will upload them soon |
| 04:56.44 | tengulre | I m coming...!:) |
| 04:57.03 | gravity | I'm not too worried about xcompmgr. It's pretty worthless. |
| 04:57.13 | mwilson | Unstable could still be on XFree and it wouldn't matter to me. |
| 04:57.13 | deadcat | true |
| 04:57.31 | deadcat | mwilson: tahts what i am using right now |
| 04:57.36 | mwilson | gravity: So is transset. |
| 04:57.40 | gravity | mwilson: Yup |
| 04:57.54 | gravity | They'll be more useful once EXA stabilizes, but not before |
| 04:57.57 | bob2 | except x.org has better hardware support |
| 04:58.15 | gravity | The people who run with them right now are a little crazy |
| 04:58.33 | deadcat | gravity: you mean xcompmgra nd transset? |
| 04:58.36 | gravity | Yeah |
| 04:59.02 | torquel | I've just recently installed this debian box, when I attempt to apt-get install gaim, I get an error on package dependencies, I try to do apt-get update, but still wont let me install. |
| 04:59.03 | deadcat | gravity: no one believe me when i said "i am not crazy" |
| 05:00.17 | Bac9 | deadcat: oh? I wonder what you're thinking or maybe I shouldn't |
| 05:00.40 | deadcat | Bac9: something dirty |
| 05:00.47 | Overand | what kernel is the etch installer using and how usable is etch these days? |
| 05:00.51 | Bac9 | deadcat: should I ask for elaboration? |
| 05:01.01 | deadcat | Bac9: use your imagination |
| 05:01.12 | Bac9 | deadcat: it's asleep at this hour of night |
| 05:01.19 | Overand | I want to install debian on my laptop and the sarge installer (and sarge in general) use a kernel that won't work with it, and I don't *really* want to roll my own installer/use someone else's installer |
| 05:01.47 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.58 | Bac9 | deadcat: speach? |
| 05:02.02 | deadcat | speech |
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| 05:02.23 | deadcat | Bac9: i am working on a narrative speech on jury duty. but i need the outline )= |
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| 05:03.03 | Bac9 | deadcat: that's not something I know the slightest bit about |
| 05:03.16 | xixor | yo |
| 05:03.36 | deadcat | Bac9: ya. pretty screwed... has to be ready by tomorrow.. no sleep for me tonight. )= |
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| 05:03.50 | Bac9 | deadcat: you can pull that off? good luck |
| 05:04.18 | Xenguy | Bac9: if he's young, of course he can (and coffee is his friend :-) |
| 05:04.34 | deadcat | Bac9: i didnt start preparing for the last speech till the night before... but that was introduce a partner. this i have to make an outline |
| 05:04.48 | Bac9 | Xenguy: I've never sucessfully pulled off an allnighter expcept for games |
| 05:04.59 | Xenguy | deadcat: an 'outline' is always the place to start anyway :-) |
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| 05:05.40 | eps | is there any eta on gnome 2.12 in sid? |
| 05:05.41 | Xenguy | Bac9: I have some considerable experience with sleep deprivation ;-) |
| 05:05.42 | Bac9 | deadcat: so an "outline" for a court? an outline of a body could it be? (attempt at joke) |
| 05:05.47 | deadcat | Xenguy: ya. but i dont know what to put on the outline. all i have so far is "jury duty". i've been to 2. thats it |
| 05:05.48 | mwilson | Bac9: gravity explained what was wrong with your proposal. You dismissed his arguments. He has no reason to bother trying to convince you that you're wrong... if you think that's the way it should work, you should make that change yourself and be happy. |
| 05:05.54 | mwilson | eps: WIR |
| 05:05.58 | Bac9 | Xenguy: I am just not productive without sleep |
| 05:05.58 | gravity | Oy... is he still at it? |
| 05:06.08 | eps | mwilson hehe, okay :P |
| 05:06.11 | mwilson | gravity: Oh, yes. |
| 05:06.17 | eps | (assuming wir == when its ready?)( |
| 05:06.23 | Xenguy | deadcat: brainstorm, then organize all the random ideas into sequence |
| 05:06.24 | deadcat | Bac9: thats what i dont know... last speech was just tell info about my partner. |
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| 05:06.38 | Xenguy | Bac9: deadlines can do wonders for productivity under pressure ;-) |
| 05:06.41 | deadcat | Xenguy: i did.. i started this afternoon... |
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| 05:06.42 | Bac9 | mwilson: I didn't understand, he seemed to think his scripts would execute the wm twice, but they don't so I got confused and asked for elaboration |
| 05:06.50 | gravity | Bac9: I recommend going back and reading backscroll to see what I said. You pretty much just ignored it. |
| 05:06.58 | eps | also is there a guide for fixing the exec and prelinking problems in 2.6.12 kernel in relation to transgamings cedega and the 21 error |
| 05:07.08 | Xenguy | deadcat: good luck |
| 05:07.09 | Bac9 | deadcat: last speach tell info and this speach draw body :-) |
| 05:07.15 | deadcat | but i will definately be prepare for the persuasive speech on linux though .(= |
| 05:07.30 | mwilson | Bac9: No, it is YOU who does not understand how it works. Further, your change benefits no one but yourself. Therefore, you should make that change locally, if you need or want it. |
| 05:07.32 | deadcat | Bac9: you're a dead man (= |
| 05:07.37 | eps | lol |
| 05:07.41 | Bac9 | gravity: you said it'd break stuff because the script would execute wm twice, but your scripts don't do that |
| 05:07.47 | Xenguy | deadcat: get the hell off IRC to increase your short-term output :-) |
| 05:07.50 | xixor | Hey everyone, I am trying to make a tarball distribution wtih anjuta, but I am getting this error: Makefile.am:6 AM_GNU_GETTEXT in `configure.in' but `intl' not in SUBDIRS. I am not too sure where to start looking to solve this. Is it something to do with GETTEXT? Or with the locale settings? Thanks |
| 05:08.06 | deadcat | Xenguy: fucking irc is additive. )= |
| 05:08.10 | Bac9 | mwilson: I did make that change, I figured it'd benifit others as well if it benifited me |
| 05:08.11 | gravity | Bac9: I think you need to use your imagination and really think about it. It'll become clear. |
| 05:08.20 | Bac9 | deadcat: :-( |
| 05:08.29 | Bac9 | deadcat: good luck on "your" outline |
| 05:08.31 | gravity | I refuse to break all the .xsession's out there |
| 05:08.31 | Xenguy | deadcat: you are your own 'IRC Control Board' (Canadian humour) |
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| 05:09.02 | Bac9 | gravity: I seriously can't quite see where the breakage would be, and you obviously can |
| 05:09.09 | gravity | Yep |
| 05:09.14 | gravity | And I already explained it. Twice. |
| 05:09.19 | gravity | I'm not going to do it a third time. |
| 05:09.23 | Bac9 | gravity: and definitly if it'd break things than I'd agree with you not to do it |
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| 05:10.15 | Bac9 | gravity: but I am just trying to see where it'd be, as it works perfectly fine for me and I fail to see why your scripts would execute wm twice and as I understand that's your only point of concern, or did I miss something? |
| 05:10.28 | Xenguy | deadcat: real deadlines require an end to multi-tasking :-) |
| 05:10.32 | Bac9 | deadcat: just shade the window, less painfull |
| 05:10.43 | deadcat | somebody ban me for tonight (= |
| 05:10.43 | Bac9 | mwilson: cleansoftware.org |
| 05:10.51 | Xenguy | keel heem |
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| 05:11.10 | gravity | Bac9: You wrote your scripts to handle your scenario. No other scripts are like that. You would break normal behavior. |
| 05:11.22 | gravity | It's as simple as that. |
| 05:11.49 | mwilson | gnuwin32.sourceforge.net |
| 05:11.57 | Xenguy | tx |
| 05:12.19 | Bac9 | gravity: ok assuming that's true, can you give me example of scenario that'd be broken (and I don't see how wm will start twice, hence I can't quite see how that scenario would happen), I am really trying to find where the flaw in my thinking is |
| 05:12.26 | gravity | Bac9: I did. Twice. |
| 05:12.29 | gravity | Bac9: Go read them. |
| 05:12.30 | Bac9 | mwilson: colinix |
| 05:12.33 | Bac9 | mwilson: colinux |
| 05:13.10 | Xenguy | mwilson: cygwin seems more venerable |
| 05:13.21 | Xenguy | (FWIW) |
| 05:13.23 | Bac9 | gravity: I did, all I found was your concern that ~/.xsession would start wm then your script would too, was there something else I missed? |
| 05:13.45 | eps | colinux is good :) |
| 05:13.46 | Bac9 | mwilson: colinux+(mingw|xdeep32) |
| 05:13.50 | mwilson | Xenguy: Yeah, but really all I need are a few things. |
| 05:13.52 | eps | it is even usable these days :) |
| 05:13.53 | gravity | Bac9: No, that's the sum of it. |
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| 05:14.06 | gravity | Bac9: If you don't get it then you're clueless |
| 05:14.09 | Xenguy | mwilson: anything in particular you want? |
| 05:14.10 | mwilson | Xenguy: It would be nice to have X, though... need cygwin for that. |
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| 05:14.29 | mwilson | Xenguy: a2ps, findutils, couple other bits. |
| 05:15.00 | Bac9 | gravity: ok, then I did understand you correctly but after rereading that script I don't see wa way why it will start the wm twice, the part that starts the wm explicitly checks if anything was started before |
| 05:15.05 | Xenguy | mwilson: I haven't used anything besides Cygwin (if only the shell wasn't so DOS-crappy, but oh well) |
| 05:15.30 | Bac9 | mwilson: why you need sygwin for X? use a native win32 version |
| 05:15.49 | Xenguy | Bac9: such as? |
| 05:16.18 | gravity | Bac9: Which part of the script? |
| 05:16.39 | Bac9 | gravity: # If there is still nothing to use for a startup program, try the system |
| 05:16.39 | Bac9 | # default session manager, window manager, and terminal emulator. |
| 05:16.39 | Bac9 | if [ -z "$STARTUP" ]; then |
| 05:16.54 | gravity | Bac9: Uh... that simply checks to see if a file is present. |
| 05:16.55 | mwilson | Xenguy: He means steal one. |
| 05:17.06 | gravity | Bac9: Your scenario is the following if I understand it: |
| 05:17.15 | Xenguy | mwilson: well if it ain't free software, it's ... ;-) |
| 05:17.18 | gravity | Bac9: You select a wm, say twm, in kdm |
| 05:17.24 | Bac9 | gravity: exactly, it checks if anything was requested through $STARTUP, so it will not start wm second time if $STARTUP is set |
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| 05:17.40 | gravity | Bac9: Xsession checks for ~/.xsession. If it finds it, it executes it and passes it twm as $1 |
| 05:17.47 | gravity | Bac9: Afterwards, it concludes |
| 05:17.49 | gravity | Bac9: Right? |
| 05:18.02 | Bac9 | gravity: yeah, basically |
| 05:18.08 | gravity | Bac9: Ok... now imagine a normal ~/.xsession |
| 05:18.18 | gravity | Bac9: Mine is a good example. It has gnome-session at the end. |
| 05:18.35 | Bac9 | gravity: and it probably doesn't deal with $1 |
| 05:18.36 | gravity | Bac9: So if I select twm, Xsession will search for my ~/.xsession and execute it. |
| 05:18.42 | gravity | Bac9: It will run gnome |
| 05:18.46 | gravity | Bac9: Then it will quit |
| 05:18.49 | Bac9 | gravity: so you'd just have gnome started |
| 05:18.50 | gravity | Bac9: No twm, like I expected |
| 05:18.55 | gravity | Bac9: Right. but I asked for twm. |
| 05:18.56 | Bac9 | gravity: k, correct |
| 05:19.10 | Bac9 | gravity: oh so that's your only concern? |
| 05:19.14 | gravity | Bac9: So if I want to maintain the correct behavior, I'd have to modify the Xsession script to execute twm |
| 05:19.17 | gravity | ONLY CONCERN? |
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| 05:19.28 | gravity | You're asking me to BREAK EVERY SINGLE ~/.xsession IN THE WORLD |
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| 05:19.46 | Bac9 | gravity: because by having ~/.xsession the user is also "asking for ~/.xsession to be run" kinda? |
| 05:19.49 | gravity | EVERY SINGLE ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE REWRITTEN TO ACCOUNT FOR $1 |
| 05:19.57 | gravity | NO |
| 05:20.00 | Bac9 | gravity: or deleted |
| 05:20.04 | Bac9 | gravity: k |
| 05:20.08 | mwilson | Bac9: Completely unwarranted assumption. |
| 05:20.22 | Bac9 | mwilson: how so? |
| 05:20.22 | gravity | My god |
| 05:20.35 | Bac9 | gravity: your choice, I respect it, thanx for explaining your side |
| 05:20.47 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.52 | gravity | Jesus fucking... |
| 05:20.58 | mwilson | (blessed silence) |
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| 05:24.14 | TraceGreen | Hello, there is a very strange ip in my server, i want to use nmap to check it, which parmaters can i use to get the detailed info of that ip? thanks very much!! |
| 05:25.14 | petemc | !joint gravity |
| 05:25.20 | gravity | heh |
| 05:25.37 | Bac9 | gravity: just out of curiosity do you happen to know what dependency is missing that allows one to hold x-window-system-core at xfree86 and update all other libs to xorg? and is that the cause of why wm will not start up after the (half)update (I'd assume, but I figure you probably know better) |
| 05:25.56 | gravity | No, I don't |
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| 05:26.11 | Bac9 | s/his/his |
| 05:26.14 | Bac9 | s/gis/his |
| 05:26.24 | peterS | Bac9: wtf? why do you want to hold x-window-system-core at xfree86? |
| 05:26.26 | Cym | can anyone tell me what package is responsible for creating /dev/stdout ? |
| 05:26.30 | peterS | Bac9: it's a freaking dummy package |
| 05:26.46 | peterS | Bac9: if you don't like it, remove it |
| 05:26.48 | petemc | hey peterS |
| 05:26.53 | peterS | petemc. |
| 05:27.03 | Bac9 | peterS: basically because I don't want to remove discover2 and want to install all recomends, call me pedantic.. not blaming anyone |
| 05:27.04 | petemc | it |
| 05:27.09 | Overfiend | gravity: Come on, you *knew* it would happen :) |
| 05:27.20 | gravity | Overfiend: I did, just didn't know it would happen so soon :-) |
| 05:27.23 | Overfiend | oh yes. |
| 05:27.25 | peterS | gravity: you should run for DPL next year |
| 05:27.27 | peterS | gravity: and the next year... |
| 05:27.29 | stew | Bac9: pedantic.. |
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| 05:27.33 | Overfiend | the disease strikes swiftly |
| 05:27.36 | Bac9 | stew: ? |
| 05:27.40 | gravity | Overfiend: Then again, I didn't expect to get people to ask me to break 99% of the configurations on the planet |
| 05:27.45 | gravity | wheee |
| 05:27.50 | Overfiend | gravity: Oh yes. |
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| 05:28.21 | Overfiend | gravity: "Fix it for me. I don't care about anyone else. Just make the change! What the fuck is wrong with you? Fuck you, I'm using Ubuntu/Red Hat/SuSE/Microsoft." |
| 05:28.32 | gravity | heh |
| 05:28.41 | Bac9 | stew: as in trying to do things by the book even if that's not really the intent |
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| 05:28.57 | mwilson | "OK, how soon can you switch to one of those, and leave me the h*ll alone?" |
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| 05:29.03 | mwilson | :) |
| 05:29.08 | gravity | Overfiend: Mercifully, I think most of those people have already left :-) |
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| 05:29.16 | petemc | "ill send email from where i ;ike , accomodate me!" |
| 05:29.18 | Overfiend | gravity: This is part of why I'm so enthused about Jon Smirl's proposal, at least in broad strokes. |
| 05:29.30 | stew | Bac9: shit i dunno i'm not following all this, you just said "call me pedantic.." so i said "pedantic.." |
| 05:29.34 | Overfiend | gravity: As we discussed the other day, I know he has managed to alienate some people at fd.o |
| 05:29.43 | mwilson | gravity: You're joking, of course. The "desktop Linux" people are bringing them in in waves. |
| 05:29.53 | Bac9 | Overand: and the other side of the crows is "I did this and it works better for me, let's ask the maintainer if he thinks it's a worth global change and if not why not so maybe I'd have a reson to undo it" |
| 05:29.55 | gravity | mwilson: Yeah, straight to Ubuntu |
| 05:29.56 | mwilson | John Smirl? |
| 05:30.07 | Bac9 | stew: o, k |
| 05:30.20 | Overfiend | gravity: but setting that aside and just evaluating his proposal from a design perspective, it's faithful to the traditional X architecture (just not the X386 *server* architecture), and pushes a lot of fiddly device configurey bullshit down into the kernel where it belongs. |
| 05:30.26 | gravity | Overfiend: That's actually what worries me about Smirl's article. It's just going to have more people demanding shiny stuff without... oh... say... the drivers to run it on |
| 05:30.48 | Overfiend | gravity: That is the downside of a compelling vision of the future... |
| 05:30.50 | Overfiend | Are we there yet? |
| 05:30.51 | Overfiend | No. |
| 05:30.52 | Overfiend | Are we there yet? |
| 05:30.52 | Overfiend | No. |
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| 05:30.55 | petemc | people want shiny |
| 05:30.57 | gravity | Overfiend: I agree with that. It's why I want to work on Jim Gettys' input re-org thing. Push as much of that as we can to the kernel. |
| 05:30.58 | petemc | always |
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| 05:31.01 | Overfiend | BWA HA |
| 05:31.15 | Overfiend | Kicked for quoting The Simpsons! |
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| 05:31.20 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 05:31.38 | tcsetattr | Just a little further. |
| 05:31.40 | gravity | Maybe debhelper is partial to Family guy |
| 05:31.48 | xixor | what was the simpsons quote? |
| 05:31.49 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.50 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 05:31.52 | petemc | has anyone a good reason why peterS isnt an op? |
| 05:32.00 | stew | !forget oops Overfiend |
| 05:32.00 | dpkg | stew: i didn't have anything called 'oops overfiend' to forget |
| 05:32.01 | Overfiend | you know what's funny? That was simple key-up/enter cycle. When I've *actually* mouse-pasted into the channel, I've *never* gotten kicked. (Not recently, anyway.) |
| 05:32.02 | gravity | heh |
| 05:32.04 | stew | silly bot |
| 05:32.13 | cheal | gravity: how come -7 isn't there yet? and how does Overfiend manage to waste his time like that? |
| 05:32.25 | gravity | cheal: You'll get -7 soon enough. |
| 05:32.46 | cheal | oh, Jon Smirl...I red that article. That looked like heaven announced |
| 05:32.48 | Overfiend | If we're going to split up this channel, we definitely need a #debian-penaltybox |
| 05:32.54 | gravity | heh |
| 05:32.58 | mwilson | gravity: What's special about -7, anyway? That's the umpteenth person I've heard whine about it. |
| 05:33.03 | cheal | I never red an article that tought me so much about linux graphics |
| 05:33.04 | gravity | mwilson: I don't know. Nothing. |
| 05:33.15 | cheal | (hopefully, since it was a few pages long) |
| 05:33.16 | Overfiend | well. It won't fail the LSB 3.0 test suite. |
| 05:33.22 | gravity | Ah yeah |
| 05:33.24 | Overfiend | But users generally give less than negative two shits about that. |
| 05:33.29 | cheal | mwilson: I was (hopefully) just joking |
| 05:33.35 | peterS | petemc: this ain't a democracy. there are two or three existing #debian ops that don't like me, so even if my name were proposed, and they decided they needed another of their number, I probably wouldn't be |
| 05:33.44 | Overfiend | "standards conformance? Pshaw. DOES IT GLITTER AND SPARKLE TO MAKE ME LUST?" |
| 05:33.45 | Bac9 | gravity: do you happen to know how the X vidoe driver architecture works, why does it need direct access to the device and lacks in performance if told to use framebuffer and let kernel access the device? (I've heard that this is the case, but haven't found any docs on why exactly this is the case) |
| 05:34.01 | Overfiend | gravity: spend long enough maintaining X, and you'll get chubbies from "standards conformance" as well |
| 05:34.05 | gravity | Bac9: I don't know enough to really answer the question. |
| 05:34.09 | gravity | Overfiend: Hahahahahaha |
| 05:34.12 | Bac9 | gravity: o, k thanx |
| 05:34.14 | justin420 | hi, i got a real dumb question... i downloaded the source for clamav version 0.86.2 and i used the ./configure, make, make install... how do I go about removing clamav after installing it, just delete the directory it got installed to or should i use dpkg -remove or something? |
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| 05:34.32 | Overfiend | justin420: if you didn't install it with dpkg, you can't remove it with dpkg |
| 05:34.33 | cheal | Overfiend: split the channel? did asuffield agree on that? ;) |
| 05:34.39 | petemc | peterS: its all bullshit, you're smary, easy going, ill stop there |
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| 05:34.46 | petemc | smart |
| 05:34.46 | Overfiend | justin420: if you did, yes, dpkg --remove will do it. dpkg --purge to clean ou the conffiles too. |
| 05:35.04 | gravity | cheal: We can split the channel if we want. I already split of #debian-x |
| 05:35.07 | Overfiend | justin420: probably better to use aptitude or apt-get, though. |
| 05:35.14 | peterS | petemc: the impression I've always gotten is that the existing ops don't particularly welcome opinions on how well they are doing their jobs or whether they should do something differently. such as adding another op, or who to pick if they do. I think they prefer to come up with these ideas on their own. |
| 05:35.17 | gravity | Although it's not being so much used now |
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| 05:35.29 | Overfiend | gravity: liar. I made that channel months ago. I just got knocked off my cable modem when the idea occurred to you :) |
| 05:35.36 | peterS | petemc: I appreciate the vote of confidence though (: |
| 05:35.39 | gravity | Ha! :-) |
| 05:35.39 | justin420 | Overfiend: i dont think i used dpkg... i just downloaded the source from their website and did a ./configure, make, make install |
| 05:35.55 | Overfiend | justin420: then you have to remove everything it installed by hand, unless it has a "make uninstall" target. |
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| 05:35.59 | mwilson | justin420: How can you not know whether you did something or not? |
| 05:36.01 | cheal | gravity: yeah... |
| 05:36.14 | Overfiend | mwilson: I forget how I did things all the time. |
| 05:36.19 | mwilson | Hmmm... cygwin, or not cygwin... |
| 05:36.22 | Overfiend | mwilson: I *still* don't know how I got elected... |
| 05:36.26 | Overfiend | (neither does anyone else) |
| 05:36.27 | Overfiend | HA |
| 05:36.30 | Overfiend | beat ya fuckers to it! |
| 05:36.35 | asuffield | peterS: I doubt you'll find any channels where random opinions on the subject from the peanut gallery are appreciated |
| 05:36.35 | gravity | hahaha |
| 05:36.37 | petemc | peterS: you and your upside down smileys :) |
| 05:36.39 | mwilson | Overfiend: Inertia? |
| 05:36.57 | asuffield | particularly from people with no idea why things are the way they are |
| 05:36.57 | petemc | endearing |
| 05:37.01 | justin420 | Overfiend: to me, as being new to linux; i believe i didnt use dpkg to do this... as i did not type dpkg. Unless dpkg handles all of the installation & removing of apps |
| 05:37.06 | Overfiend | mwilson: no, that which is at rest tends to stay at rest. My previous efforts must have been at rest, as they went nowhere :) |
| 05:37.25 | Overfiend | justin420: dpkg does, if you maintain disciplined administrative control of the system. |
| 05:37.25 | asuffield | Overfiend: some of us know how :P |
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| 05:37.31 | peterS | asuffield: yes, it's a common attribute of people in leadership positions to make much of the fact that nobody else can know what they know about why things are the way they are, and consequently assume nobody else's opinion is informed enough to matter |
| 05:37.38 | mwilson | Overfiend: No, inertia as on the part of the other DD's, who didn't propose another candidate? :) |
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| 05:37.52 | Overfiend | justin420: You have to choose not to use any method of installing software on your computer OTHER than dpkg (or its many wrappers) |
| 05:37.53 | tcsetattr | can someone run "querybts tcpick" and tell me if it behaves correctly? querybts is acting weird for me. |
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| 05:37.58 | mwilson | peterS: Ah, you've been talking to the Gnome cabal again. |
| 05:38.01 | Overfiend | mwilson: we had more candidates in 2004 than any previous year |
| 05:38.03 | peterS | mwilson: heh |
| 05:38.14 | asuffield | peterS: <shrug> it's a common attribute of people who aren't to think they know why things are a given way and insist that they have a better one |
| 05:38.25 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: works for me. But you probably need reportbug from unstable. |
| 05:38.35 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: the CSS changes to the BTS royally hosed the older code. |
| 05:38.52 | peterS | asuffield: there's a lot of that too. I wasn't talking about that though, I meant that the people I'm talking about (i.e. you) seem pretty defensive in general when approached with *any* commentary on the subject |
| 05:38.52 | petemc | asuffield: people who arent? |
| 05:38.58 | tcsetattr | I should have said: can someone run "querybts tcpick" in _stable_ and tell me if it behaves correctly? querybts is acting weird for me. |
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| 05:39.06 | peterS | which you're doing a pretty fair job of affirming |
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| 05:39.30 | mwilson | Personally, I don't like the new BTS. I'm not sure why I don't, but I don't. |
| 05:39.42 | asuffield | peterS: generally, anybody who comes along proposing that we should switch to the systems we've moved *away* from isn't going to get much sympathy |
| 05:39.43 | caphuso | there's a new BTS? |
| 05:39.51 | tcsetattr | is querybts just parsing HTML bug pages that were designed to be more human- than machine- readable? that's awful. |
| 05:39.53 | gravity | Heh, not exactly |
| 05:39.57 | gravity | Massive upgrades though |
| 05:39.59 | Overfiend | mwilson: I like the new features. Don't care much for the CSS as for some reason it renders in totally hideous fonts on my PowerPC machines |
| 05:40.00 | asuffield | caphuso: helix cssed it |
| 05:40.01 | peterS | caphuso: no, the existing BTS just grew a bunch of new features in the past couple months |
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| 05:40.02 | gravity | I love it. usertags ++ |
| 05:40.19 | caphuso | ah, CSS |
| 05:40.20 | asuffield | peterS: and I really can't remember the last time anybody proposed anything that hadn't been done before |
| 05:40.21 | peterS | caphuso: mainly you have aj and dondelelcaro to thank, I think |
| 05:40.27 | gravity | And usertags! |
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| 05:40.28 | mwilson | CSS, evil. |
| 05:40.34 | petemc | dd's, our ephemeral friends |
| 05:40.42 | gravity | peterS: And kamion |
| 05:40.46 | gravity | He did the version tracking with don |
| 05:40.47 | peterS | asuffield: wait, when did we get on the subject of "proposing new things"? |
| 05:40.54 | Overfiend | in principle, adding CSS to a webpage shouldn't bust anything that parses HTML properly. |
| 05:40.55 | peterS | gravity: ah right, I knew I was leaving someone out |
| 05:40.55 | gravity | "ephemeral"? |
| 05:41.01 | Overfiend | In *principle*... |
| 05:41.07 | petemc | short lived |
| 05:41.17 | gravity | I don't wanna die |
| 05:41.19 | petemc | ive seen it before |
| 05:41.19 | asuffield | Overfiend: so that would be, umm... links? maybe? |
| 05:41.26 | peterS | Overfiend: well, it's not just adding css, but rearranging the rest of the page so that the css can be used well |
| 05:41.33 | asuffield | peterS: it's all the same thing |
| 05:41.37 | tcsetattr | shouldn't there be a bug server for querybts that gives out information in a stable, easily parsed, not-necessarily-human-readable format? |
| 05:41.39 | Overfiend | peterS: ah, okay. I didn't do a detailed before an after |
| 05:41.49 | Overfiend | peterS: just looked at it long enough to notice big changes :) |
| 05:41.53 | petemc | gravity: wrt #debian, of cource |
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| 05:41.56 | Overfiend | tcsetattr: yes |
| 05:42.03 | mwilson | links still can't deal with the XSF pages. |
| 05:42.07 | gravity | petemc: There's a bunch of DD's talking right now, but I know what you mean |
| 05:42.08 | peterS | Overfiend: neither did I, but it wouldn't surprise me given the pedigree of debbugs if the previous html was a tag soup mess and the current version is somewhat better structured |
| 05:42.09 | Overfiend | mwilson: eh? |
| 05:42.12 | Overfiend | mwilson: nasty |
| 05:42.15 | mwilson | I never did sit down and figure out why. |
| 05:42.20 | helix | the current html is still horrible, fwiw |
| 05:42.28 | caphuso | all html is |
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| 05:42.35 | helix | this doesn't even validate |
| 05:42.36 | Overfiend | mwilson: I write pretty anally standards-conformant HTML and CSS |
| 05:42.36 | gravity | helix: Do you know how to use the categorization thingy? |
| 05:42.39 | mwilson | Boy, you mention her name, she appears. |
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| 05:42.51 | Overfiend | mwilson: except when I fuck up, but then I'm usually pretty quick to fix it :) |
| 05:42.53 | helix | yeah, nick hilighting is so fancy |
| 05:43.00 | stew | sweet |
| 05:43.01 | helix | gravity: barely |
| 05:43.10 | CraZy675 | I was trying to install a dual boot machine and I screwed up one of my windows partition (probably writing Grub to the MBR) how can I recover the data? |
| 05:43.16 | mwilson | Overfiend: It won't render it... it displays the source for the page. |
| 05:43.21 | gravity | helix: Damn. I have one tag and I want to order it first in a list. Working off aj's examples gives an error. |
| 05:43.22 | peterS | tcsetattr: yeah, I think there should be an http query that returns a page full of RFC822-style stanzas |
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| 05:43.36 | Overfiend | CraZy675: writing GRUB to the MBR in and of itself doesn't destroy a windows partition |
| 05:43.44 | cheal | CraZy675: what do you mean by screwed up? |
| 05:43.47 | peterS | tcsetattr: the standard objection is that if you want parseable you should use the LDAP gateway |
| 05:43.51 | Overfiend | CraZy675: installing Debian (or anything else) on top of a Windows partition, will, and generally unrecoverably. |
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| 05:43.54 | helix | gravity: an example in his d-d-a mail? I say barely, but I'm relatively well-acquainted with it since I gave him a fair amount of input |
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| 05:43.59 | peterS | tcsetattr: the counter-objection is that the LDAP gateway is really slow at present |
| 05:44.04 | gravity | helix: Yeah, that example. |
| 05:44.16 | Overfiend | I think we need a counter-counter-objection. |
| 05:44.20 | CraZy675 | cheal: i have 4 partitions |
| 05:44.32 | jarango | Does anyone know how to use mencoder to make videos for pocket pc smartphones ? |
| 05:44.38 | peterS | Overfiend: like that the ldap gateway will be upgraded to sarge openldap Real Soon Now and that'll be plenty fast enough? |
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| 05:44.46 | CraZy675 | cheal: 2 NTFS (c&d) and 2 linux (swap&/) |
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| 05:45.15 | CraZy675 | I didn't install debian over my NTFS |
| 05:45.21 | peterS | Overfiend: sounds good to me. rfc822 stanzas sound like a reasonable output format to you? similar to debian/control: one stanza for metadata, one for each bug |
| 05:45.24 | Overfiend | peterS: Hmm, no, I don't like any counter-counter-objection that implies that any Project machine will be upgraded to our latest stable release before the NEXT stable release comes out. |
| 05:45.25 | CraZy675 | cfdisk still reads the partition as NTFS |
| 05:45.34 | CraZy675 | but windows reads it as raw |
| 05:45.50 | mwilson | Overfiend: None of links, links2, or lynx will render it. |
| 05:45.56 | cheal | CraZy675: so, what's "screwed up" in your windows partition? |
| 05:45.59 | Overfiend | mwilson: bletcherous. I tend to use w3m. |
| 05:46.02 | peterS | Overfiend: oh, ok. maybe an openldap 2.2 backport to woody then? |
| 05:46.28 | mwilson | Overfiend: It's one of the few reasons I ever load Moz. |
| 05:46.30 | deadcat | anyone done jury duty in USA? whats it called when you hvae to call that number the night before and see if you have to go there the next day? |
| 05:46.38 | CraZy675 | cheal: windows can no loger read the data on d: and wants to format it, but there is important data on there |
| 05:46.39 | tcsetattr | actually, there is an option to download a bug in mbox format from bugs.debian.org.... and the mail messages themselves must cnotain the BTS commands that caused the bug to reach its current state... so why not parse that? |
| 05:47.05 | CraZy675 | cheal: i want to recover any files that I can from the partition |
| 05:47.11 | Overfiend | peterS: Stranger things have happened. Like master running an a.out version of exim3 (or was it exim2) in 2001. |
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| 05:47.14 | cheal | CraZy675: hum. can linux read it? |
| 05:47.21 | justin420 | Overfiend:thanks for the help with that, I did a "make uninstall" and it says it rm'd a couple of files.... so I guess it did get uninstalled. |
| 05:47.26 | caphuso | mwilson: are you using a really old lynx that can't handle xhtml? |
| 05:47.27 | ice_1963 | why use woody when sarge is out ? |
| 05:47.41 | Overfiend | justin420: Not every uninstall target is scrupulous, but you may have gotten lucky |
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| 05:47.57 | peterS | Overfiend: whoa! you mean when it switched from qmail to exim it got an a.out version? that doesn't sound right, the qmail exorcism wasn't *that* long ago |
| 05:48.02 | Overfiend | peterS: no no no |
| 05:48.05 | Overfiend | peterS: master, not murphy |
| 05:48.09 | peterS | ah right |
| 05:48.13 | peterS | I was thinking of bugs.d.o |
| 05:48.22 | Overfiend | peterS: AFAIR, we only ever used qmail on murphy, because "it was the only MTA good enough to handle the load" |
| 05:48.22 | CraZy675 | cheal I have booted with a liveCD Mepis and when I try to mount the non-working drive I get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5" |
| 05:48.30 | justin420 | Overfiend:god i hope so, i am starting to love linux, and dont want to go back to windows because i cant figure out what the hell im doing, especially with little shit like that |
| 05:48.35 | mwilson | caphuso: Whatever's currently in unstable. |
| 05:48.38 | peterS | Overfiend: speaking of MTAs, am I correct in thinking that debian once shipped smail standard, before exim? |
| 05:48.44 | caphuso | mwilson: in the lynx or the lynx-cur package? |
| 05:48.50 | mwilson | postfix was before exim |
| 05:48.51 | Overfiend | peterS: but master, the master at Brainfood, that thing was, IIRC, running libc4 just for the MTA for years and years and years |
| 05:48.54 | peterS | Overfiend: it's been so long, but I thought smail came between sendmail and exim in the default install, way back when |
| 05:49.03 | Overfiend | peterS: Yes, smail used to be our "standard" MTA. |
| 05:49.14 | petemc | mwilson: no it wasnt |
| 05:49.23 | CraZy675 | cheal: Mepis has no probably reading the other NTFS partition |
| 05:49.23 | Overfiend | peterS: I recall reading that smail's author regarded us as the only thing keeping it alive. |
| 05:49.29 | mwilson | caphuso: Didn't know there was a lynx-cur package |
| 05:49.39 | CraZy675 | cheal: s/probably/problem/ |
| 05:49.44 | cheal | CraZy675: ok... |
| 05:49.48 | Overfiend | mwilson: Yes, because using it will turn you into a snarling cur |
| 05:49.50 | caphuso | mwilson: it's the "development" tree |
| 05:50.08 | peterS | Overfiend: heh |
| 05:50.35 | mwilson | Overfiend: <shrug> I usually use either lynx or links2 -g... I really have no use for anything else. |
| 05:50.39 | cheal | CraZy675: so, do you have a precise idea of what (and why) "screwed up" that partition? |
| 05:50.42 | Overfiend | In fact, IIRC, in 2000 or so, Ian Jackson was still running buzz on his own workstation. |
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| 05:50.53 | cheal | wah |
| 05:50.59 | Overfiend | He'd file bugs against X. |
| 05:51.02 | Overfiend | I'd ask him to upgrade. |
| 05:51.05 | karma1 | I just finished installing the flgrx ati radeon drivers, x server is working fine now, but i cant seem to go above 800x600 resolution. I've ran the xserver config again and selected high res's but when I into gnome and try to select another res via gnome control center, only 800x600 is listed |
| 05:51.07 | Overfiend | He'd say "sorry, I can't do that". |
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| 05:51.10 | cheal | hahahaha |
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| 05:51.14 | gravity | geez |
| 05:51.24 | Overfiend | I'd point out to him that he was running a version of Debian that was, like, 5 stable releases out of date. |
| 05:51.36 | Overfiend | He'd say something like, "doesn't matter, it's still a bug" |
| 05:51.52 | Overfiend | So just remember kids. Our release cycle isn't too slow for *EVERYONE* |
| 05:51.58 | cheal | expecting it to be fixed in...1.1r99? |
| 05:52.13 | Overfiend | oh, wat |
| 05:52.16 | CraZy675 | cheal: I *think* something with grub went wrong because when i reboot the computer after the debian install windows still boots normally with no grub |
| 05:52.21 | cheal | does dpkg support quoting on multiple lines? |
| 05:52.22 | Overfiend | THAT'S why they've added the 5-year support cycle. |
| 05:52.24 | peterS | Overfiend: haha |
| 05:52.25 | Overfiend | They've got Diziet to do it! |
| 05:52.40 | gravity | Diziet? |
| 05:52.45 | caphuso | cheal: huh? |
| 05:52.46 | Overfiend | Diziet == Ian Jackson |
| 05:52.49 | gravity | Ah |
| 05:52.54 | petemc | Overfiend: money is a great enabler |
| 05:53.02 | gravity | Oh, that's right. I forgot he went to Canonical. |
| 05:53.08 | cheal | caphuso: just hoping Overfiend's story about Jackson could be quoted :) |
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| 05:53.31 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 05:53.32 | caphuso | cheal: you have to s/\n/ /g manually |
| 05:53.41 | Overfiend | cheal: Well, with a few exceptions, Ian Jackson tends to file the sort of bugs one doesn't actually expect to EVER be fixed. |
| 05:54.03 | cheal | caphuso: ok...I'll consider that |
| 05:54.07 | TuxMeister | ehhm, i just saw that lame isn't in the repos any more... did the package change the name or somethin'? |
| 05:54.19 | Overfiend | there is some legendary glibc bug that was open for several years, filed by him, complaining about the way pending input on error streams was handled when they were closed. |
| 05:54.25 | Overfiend | or something like that |
| 05:54.34 | Overfiend | It was esoteric, and pitted Diziet against ANSI and ISO. |
| 05:54.40 | Overfiend | Not that he minded. |
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| 05:54.59 | gravity | tag +wontfix |
| 05:55.08 | Overfiend | yeah, we didn't have wontfix back in those days |
| 05:55.14 | gravity | heh |
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| 05:55.36 | gravity | I want to figure out a set of special X usertags |
| 05:55.37 | Overfiend | instead, the bug would languish for months, the maintainer would be annoyed at it's presence, declare it unfixable, and close it. |
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| 05:55.44 | bob2 | TuxMeister: it has never bee in Debian |
| 05:55.51 | Overfiend | Diziet would promptly reopen it, explaining how nothing had changed. |
| 05:55.59 | Overfiend | He did that to me a few times too. |
| 05:56.04 | Overfiend | GAH |
| 05:56.06 | Overfiend | s/it's/its// |
| 05:56.12 | TuxMeister | bob2, oh yes it did... i used it from apt, i'm sure... |
| 05:56.25 | bob2 | don't trust people who use dselect but don't have Irish accents |
| 05:56.27 | Overfiend | cheal: they're not archived all the way back to #1 |
| 05:56.38 | Overfiend | cheal: in the early days we didn't preserve closed bug for posterity |
| 05:56.41 | bob2 | TuxMeister: no, it never has been. perhaps you got it from marillat's apt repository? |
| 05:56.52 | Overfiend | cheal: I think #710 is still the oldest open one. |
| 05:57.07 | Overfiend | GRAVITY'S PROBLEM NOW. ENJOY HACKING TWM, SUCKERRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 05:57.13 | gravity | GNOOOOOOOO |
| 05:57.18 | TuxMeister | bob2, i swear i got it from apt, it was there, i even made a script for myself which made ripping wav's be easyer |
| 05:57.18 | petemc | heh |
| 05:57.20 | cheal | Overfiend: oh. cool :) |
| 05:57.30 | tcsetattr | that twm one that just passed 10 years? someone sent a patch to it just before the 10 year mark... |
| 05:57.32 | gravity | Overfiend: twm has become my favorite "$EXAMPLE_WM" though :-) |
| 05:57.33 | cheal | Overfiend: s/open/done by you |
| 05:57.34 | bob2 | TuxMeister: got it from apt != being in Debian |
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| 05:57.47 | Overfiend | I've actually been tempted to apply that patch. |
| 05:57.49 | bob2 | TuxMeister: perhaps in the past you had apt pointed at christian marillat's apt repository |
| 05:57.54 | Overfiend | But gravity just froze 6.8.2. |
| 05:58.09 | Overfiend | gravity: I guess I could go ahead and do it, just to be perverse. |
| 05:58.10 | mwilson | Overfiend: I've been watching, but not participating... did I miss something? Did you abdicate X? |
| 05:58.20 | TuxMeister | bob2, nope, just rediris repos... still have that sources.list file and no wierd repo in there |
| 05:58.21 | karma1 | I just finished installing the fglrx ati radeon drivers, x server is working fine now, but i cant seem to go above 800x600 resolution. I've ran the xserver config again and selected high res's but when I into gnome and try to select another res via gnome control center, only 800x600 is listed |
| 05:58.28 | tcsetattr | oh, so the twm bug is another one of those known bugs that debian users just have to learn to live with? |
| 05:58.31 | Overfiend | mwilson: no, I've been steadily dialing back my control of it, and gravity's been steadily dialing his up |
| 05:58.44 | bob2 | haha firegl |
| 05:58.47 | Overfiend | mwilson: I keep an eye on things and howl when something lame is done, which gets me yelled at by MrCooper |
| 05:58.48 | valdyn | karma1: did you read the part about md5 ? |
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| 05:58.55 | cheal | I knew debbugs would be old, but...not *that* old |
| 05:58.57 | valdyn | !xmd5 |
| 05:58.57 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 05:59.04 | Overfiend | mwilson: but I think it's better than having to maintain the beast almost totally blind, as I had to in the early days |
| 05:59.26 | gravity | Heh, totally blind sounds about right |
| 05:59.27 | peterS | cheal: for how to quote really long irc text in the bot, '/msg dpkg why exim' for one example |
| 05:59.31 | karma1 | ahh ok ty |
| 05:59.34 | cheal | CraZy675: did you succeed to boot debian on that box? |
| 05:59.40 | gravity | Plus this gives you a chance to hack on it in more fun ways. I do the crap work like fixing MANIFEST's |
| 05:59.54 | peterS | cheal: for an example of shorter multiline quotes, /msg dpkg qotd27 |
| 06:00.03 | CraZy675 | cheal: no |
| 06:00.13 | CraZy675 | cheal: but i can boot knopix |
| 06:00.13 | peterS | (basically you just put a few extra spaces in to represent each newline) |
| 06:00.15 | mwilson | And get yelled at by idiots about stupid eye-candy effects. |
| 06:00.16 | bob2 | TuxMeister: if you say so. /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 06:00.31 | Overfiend | gravity: yeah, taking over maintenance of the X11 SI is basically like being stripped naked and dropped to the bottom of the Marianias trench, with your hands bound behind you back, trailing a pair of foot-flippers from a rope. |
| 06:00.48 | cheal | peterS: why exim doesn't seem to exist, why exim4 looks...bugged |
| 06:00.48 | Overfiend | If you can just get those flippers on, maybe you can swim the 1.5 miles to the surface... |
| 06:00.49 | TuxMeister | bob2, never mind, i'm sure i had that downloaded from an official debian repo |
| 06:00.54 | Overfiend | bbl |
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| 06:01.00 | gravity | hot shit |
| 06:01.15 | peterS | cheal: hmmm, yeah I meant 'why exim4'. Guerin created it to record a rather long series of messages I typed |
| 06:01.39 | cirdan | hey, is there a util that'll check your installed files to see if they are corrupt/changed? |
| 06:01.46 | gravity | Overfiend: Oh, and if you want to patch twm, you have full pre-approval. |
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| 06:02.11 | cheal | !why exim4 |
| 06:02.12 | petemc | peterS: what you said is great, tho it doesnt explain why exm4 is better tha postfix |
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| 06:02.12 | peterS | Overfiend: 1.5 miles? I thought the marianas trench was a lot deeper. shrug, shows how much I know |
| 06:02.15 | cheal | !literal why exim4 |
| 06:02.15 | dpkg | why exim4 is <reply> see http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
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| 06:02.42 | cirdan | peterS: 8k feet isn't deep enough? |
| 06:02.47 | bob2 | cirdan: debsums sorta does that |
| 06:02.57 | cheal | peterS: ok...that technique needs more resources |
| 06:03.00 | peterS | petemc: it explains how we got there. it's not necessarily better, but it seems there's a *lot* of inertia in a default MTA |
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| 06:03.02 | Cym | i cant figure out if the new udev is supposed to create /dev/stdout, /dev/sdtin, and /dev/stderr or NOT |
| 06:03.03 | rec | Is anyone familiar with getting Nagios running with the deb packages and mysql? |
| 06:03.15 | cheal | dpkg: no, why exim4 is at http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 06:03.16 | dpkg | cheal: what are you talking about? |
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| 06:03.32 | bob2 | Cym: I'm using udev and have all 3 of those |
| 06:03.36 | valdyn | Cym: it does create those |
| 06:03.37 | petemc | peterS: exim4 has features that postfix doesnt have |
| 06:03.39 | Cym | what version |
| 06:04.00 | bob2 | some version that's not in Debian |
| 06:04.01 | Cym | cause the new one in sid doesnt |
| 06:04.08 | bob2 | then file a bug |
| 06:04.12 | cheal | and can't figure out how to fix why exim4 |
| 06:04.15 | valdyn | Cym: the new one in sid does |
| 06:04.19 | Cym | yah did that |
| 06:04.22 | peterS | petemc: for a default install, the feature parity is not important. they both have enough features for 99% of debian boxes out there. the other 1% have admins who know which MTA they'd rather install, anyway |
| 06:04.35 | Cym | well there is not /dev/fd/* at all |
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| 06:04.39 | valdyn | Cym: 0.068-2 does. |
| 06:04.43 | peterS | petemc: I'd actually support moving nullmailer into the default install, and moving exim4 out |
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| 06:05.06 | cheal | CraZy675: you're sure that you installed grub to the MBR? |
| 06:05.08 | mwilson | ssmtp, please |
| 06:05.09 | peterS | petemc: most debian boxes don't need incoming SMTP at all, after all |
| 06:05.11 | petemc | peterS: true bill, a full blown mta isnt needed |
| 06:05.11 | mwilson | Not nullmailer. |
| 06:05.15 | tcsetattr | 1. Install udev. 2. ??? 3. Profit! |
| 06:05.37 | Cym | isnt that something about underpants? heh |
| 06:05.41 | mwilson | But how do y'all expect to handle local mail? |
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| 06:05.47 | peterS | mwilson: well, I haven't compared ssmtp and nullmailer. maybe the one is better. the point is, I don't think exim4 should be in the default install |
| 06:05.49 | gravity | bob2: Me too |
| 06:05.53 | gravity | g-v-m is too good |
| 06:05.57 | mwilson | bob2: That's easy... don't waste time with g-v-m. |
| 06:06.20 | bob2 | mwilson: small amount of conveniense, no cost |
| 06:06.23 | bob2 | sounds like a fair deal |
| 06:06.33 | CraZy675 | cheal: No it would seem I installed it to /sda5 |
| 06:06.39 | mwilson | Large cost... you have to use the-crap-that-is-udev |
| 06:06.51 | peterS | tcsetattr: gnome-volume-manager |
| 06:06.55 | bob2 | I don't have to do anything |
| 06:06.59 | bob2 | udev just does it's thing |
| 06:07.17 | peterS | bob2: ah but you're missing the fact that this specific convenience is not something mwilson uses. therefore, it's completely pointless for anyone to install it for any reason |
| 06:07.31 | Cym | udev has issues |
| 06:07.37 | shingouz | cirdan, peterS, Overfiend: the marianas trench bothered me a bit: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=define%3A%22marianas+trench%22&btnG=Search ,almost 38k feet deep. some swimming! |
| 06:07.45 | cirdan | shingouz: cool |
| 06:07.51 | tcsetattr | for me, convenience is a persistent /dev directory that doesn't require anty stupid daemons or shutdown scripts to save state |
| 06:07.54 | peterS | shingouz: *nod*, that sounds about right. I was thinking 7 miles, that's close enough |
| 06:07.54 | petemc | g-v-n is brass on the titanic |
| 06:07.58 | cirdan | mmm, maranaria sauce.. |
| 06:08.03 | mwilson | Marco lied in the BTS... he said that the package had documentation on how to install it, let it do persistent-naming nonsense, but leave the rest of /dev the *hell* alone. It doesn't. |
| 06:08.08 | shingouz | deep in anycase |
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| 06:09.03 | cheal | CraZy675: ah! *that* explains your problem. as for the solution...tough question. particularly with ntfs I guess |
| 06:09.25 | cheal | dpkg: jackson's release cycle is at http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=33 |
| 06:09.25 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 06:09.37 | Cym | ok.. |
| 06:09.40 | Cym | im using 0.068-2 |
| 06:09.50 | aedwards | Anyone here applied the patched ssh for logging? |
| 06:09.51 | Cym | and there is no /dev/fd/* at all |
| 06:09.54 | aLTer | hi there, I'm newbee Debian GNU/Linux user! :-) |
| 06:10.17 | tcsetattr | be a rebel. ln -s /proc/self/fd /dev/fd - this is how we used to do it in the old days when things worked. |
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| 06:10.26 | karma1 | !xmd5 |
| 06:10.26 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 06:10.36 | peterS | cheal: good work |
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| 06:10.47 | karma1 | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq |
| 06:10.47 | valdyn | Cym: do you use a custom kernel or one below 2.6.12? |
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| 06:10.49 | mwilson | I do *not* like that factoid... it's not universally bad. |
| 06:10.52 | peterS | Cym: /dev/fd is an ugly hack |
| 06:10.54 | Cym | 2.6.13 |
| 06:10.59 | peterS | Cym: use /proc/self/fd if you must use anything |
| 06:11.17 | valdyn | Cym: 2.6.13 isnt in debian I think? |
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| 06:11.30 | bob2 | Cym: did you see the "grave" bug entitled 'udev >= 0.060-1 and kernels >= 2.6.12'? |
| 06:11.33 | cheal | peterS: hehe. thanks for the tip :) |
| 06:11.39 | CraZy675 | cheal: yea real tough question, I'm looking at irecover |
| 06:11.41 | Cym | vanilla from kernel.org |
| 06:11.47 | Cym | i never changed my .config |
| 06:11.48 | valdyn | Cym: ls -l /proc/self/fd/0 |
| 06:11.50 | tcsetattr | 2.6.13 broke udev? I guess Linus doesn't use it either :) |
| 06:12.02 | cirdan | huh? how did it break it |
| 06:12.05 | valdyn | tcsetattr: nah |
| 06:12.21 | peterS | tcsetattr: maybe udev was updated in sync with kernel 2.6.13 but the new one hasn't hit unstable yet |
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| 06:12.40 | mwilson | peterS: Marco pulled the same stunt a second time? |
| 06:12.46 | cirdan | makes me sad |
| 06:12.51 | peterS | mwilson: you know, it wouldn't surprise me one bit |
| 06:12.56 | Cym | yah, /proc/self/fd/0 exists |
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| 06:13.03 | peterS | mwilson: I lost track of the udev vs. kernel 2.6.BIGNUM saga a long time ago though |
| 06:13.04 | cirdan | anyone know much about raid? |
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| 06:13.14 | Cym | just not /dev/fd/0 |
| 06:13.16 | peterS | Cym: /dev/fd is a symlink to /proc/self/fd on all right-thinking linux machines |
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| 06:13.20 | cirdan | do i even need most of the dm- stuff enabled? |
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| 06:13.35 | mwilson | peterS: All I pay attention to is remembering that he's not a maintainer to be trusted. |
| 06:14.03 | Cym | yes peterS, i see /dev/fd linked to that |
| 06:14.26 | peterS | mwilson: to be fair, he's navigating tricky waters here, as upstream udev does not, I believe, do much to help maintain compatibility across all these kernels |
| 06:14.55 | Cym | so are you saying the MAKEDEV needs to be fixed? |
| 06:15.04 | mwilson | peterS: Feh... his commentary in the BTS makes it plain that he doesn't care. |
| 06:15.11 | peterS | mwilson: well, there is that too |
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| 06:15.25 | valdyn | Cym: it works fine for me, on 2.6.13... |
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| 06:15.31 | Cym | ll /dev/stdout |
| 06:15.33 | Cym | shows nothing |
| 06:15.38 | peterS | mwilson: he's got a reputation for just immediately closing any bug he doesn't feel like fixing, as opposed to leaving it open and letting people discuss it |
| 06:16.01 | peterS | Cym: /dev/stdout is an even grosser hack than /dev/fd, but normally it's a symlink to /dev/fd/1 |
| 06:16.02 | Cym | so either /dev/fd/0 changed to /proc/serf/fd/0 |
| 06:16.33 | peterS | Cym: /dev/fd has never existed as an independent entity. it has always been a symlink into /proc on linux. it exists on its own in some other vendor unixes, I think. |
| 06:16.52 | Cym | yah like gentoo |
| 06:16.59 | bob2 | that's pretty unlikely |
| 06:17.04 | peterS | Cym: gentoo is linux, it should be a symlink there too |
| 06:17.07 | valdyn | Cym: not on linux |
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| 06:17.32 | Cym | ok ur right |
| 06:17.37 | tcsetattr | /dev/stdout is a nice friendly name, no reason you can't symlink friendly names in /dev. Like /dev/mouse, /dev/cdrom, /dev/modem |
| 06:17.49 | peterS | Cym: bash once had a feature where it preprocessed file redirections and picked up "/dev/stdout" and friends as a magic string. that was perhaps even more gross than the hacks I'm talking about |
| 06:18.25 | Cym | ok well something is not making the symlink now |
| 06:18.28 | peterS | tcsetattr: I'm not saying it shouldn't exist, I'm just saying it's a gross hack. I support gross hacks, sometimes, when they improve the user experience |
| 06:18.32 | Cym | it worked last week |
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| 06:18.46 | peterS | Cym: backtrack. we were talking about udev earlier, are you running udev? |
| 06:18.55 | Cym | yes |
| 06:18.56 | valdyn | Cym: grep fd /etc/udev/links.conf |
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| 06:19.00 | peterS | Cym: that's what's broken then |
| 06:19.07 | Cym | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:19.35 | tcsetattr | why is it gross? is anything in /dev that is not a char or block device a gross hack? the use of symlink to provide an easily remembered path to a useful item is gross? are symlinks themselves gross (some people think so) |
| 06:19.36 | peterS | udev in its infinite wisdom decides you don't need *anything* in /dev that it doesn't explicitly know about. so it had better know about those four symlinks. |
| 06:19.42 | codomaniac | hmm i got 2.6.8 image working. |
| 06:20.12 | valdyn | Cym: that should give you 4 lines.. i cant see any other reference to fd in udevs setup |
| 06:20.12 | peterS | tcsetattr: putting something in /dev which is not a block or character device |
| 06:20.14 | peterS | tcsetattr: and not a link to a block or char device either, I mean |
| 06:20.21 | tcsetattr | better tell syslogd to move that socket then :) |
| 06:20.33 | peterS | tcsetattr: indeed, I don't think the socket belongs there, it belongs in /var/run |
| 06:20.44 | peterS | just like most other unix domain sockets on a live system |
| 06:21.06 | peterS | yes, I know, as a gpm maintainer I really should fix /dev/gpmctl |
| 06:21.10 | bob2 | /dev/log seems pretty widely used, tho |
| 06:21.11 | codomaniac | but i guess on new kernel the fonts became bigger than on old kernel |
| 06:21.15 | codomaniac | why is that any idea ? |
| 06:21.25 | valdyn | codomaniac: in X? hardly. |
| 06:21.45 | okodele | peterS: is gpm necessary for mouse? |
| 06:21.52 | peterS | okodele: no |
| 06:21.52 | Cym | L stdout /proc/self/fd/1 |
| 06:21.52 | bob2 | sure you didn't upgrade fontconfig, freetpye or X? |
| 06:21.59 | peterS | okodele: it's necessary for using a mouse on a linux non-graphical console |
| 06:22.05 | tcsetattr | /dev/fd/* pathnames were handled specially in userspace by awk, before /proc/self/fd existed... the pathname was pretty much determined by user expectations. /dev/fd on other unices is actually full of real device files, with slightly different semantics than our /proc/self/fd |
| 06:22.14 | okodele | peterS: why have gpm at all? |
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| 06:22.25 | peterS | okodele: because a lot of us use linux non-graphical consoles and still want to use our mice |
| 06:22.37 | peterS | okodele: if you always do everything in X, you don't need to have gpm installed |
| 06:22.40 | valdyn | Cym: and 3 more for fd / stdin / stderr.. you have those? |
| 06:22.42 | Cym | i see the 4 lines in links.conf |
| 06:22.52 | Cym | yes |
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| 06:23.10 | okodele | peterS: which console is graphical? |
| 06:23.26 | Cym | its just not making them in /dev |
| 06:23.33 | Zero_Kelvin | Hey guys. I've got a 40GB drive here I'm about to install Debian onto and see how the setup compares to my current Gentoo install. If I like the Debian one, I'll switch back to that (critical data being on another drive altogether). Any last minute tips or advice? :) |
| 06:23.37 | valdyn | Cym: if you restart udev? |
| 06:23.37 | peterS | okodele: if you run xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg, probably through a display manager like kdm or xdm, that's what I mean by a graphical console |
| 06:23.38 | codomaniac | bob2: what i might need to do ? |
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| 06:23.50 | Chris62vw | how do you remove a user from the system in debian? thanks |
| 06:23.54 | Cym | yah i rebooted even a few times and went back to previous version |
| 06:23.59 | peterS | Chris62vw: deluser or userdel |
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| 06:24.10 | peterS | Chris62vw: the one is a frontend to the other. userdel is low-level and more scriptable |
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| 06:24.21 | Zero_Kelvin | I used to run Debian exclusively out of the Linux distro's but the whole X Windows System thing had me going for Gentoo when I chucked Windows 2000. |
| 06:24.39 | Chris62vw | thanks |
| 06:24.42 | Overand | you mean xorg vs. x11? |
| 06:24.45 | okodele | peterS: :Konsole, Gnome console, xterm are graphical? |
| 06:24.54 | cheal | Zero_Kelvin: you mean X Window System |
| 06:24.57 | gravity | xorg is x11. You mean Xorg vs XFree86? |
| 06:24.58 | Chris62vw | im too used to *bsd :-) |
| 06:25.06 | peterS | okodele: yes |
| 06:25.19 | Cym | this is strange.. are you using sid current? |
| 06:25.20 | Zero_Kelvin | Overand: Yeah. I really wanted to go with X 6.8.2 and KDE 3.4 but Debian seemed to take so long to get there. I was impatient. |
| 06:25.21 | peterS | Chris62vw: same story with adduser and useradd |
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| 06:25.24 | tcsetattr | VGA text mode is graphical too! the only thing not graphical about the console is the beep generated by the BEL character... |
| 06:25.26 | cheal | Zero_Kelvin: you have choice. coffee, beer, anything you'll like |
| 06:25.33 | valdyn | Cym: sid current x86_64 |
| 06:25.35 | peterS | Chris62vw: adduser is interactive and fancy, useradd is scriptable |
| 06:25.35 | Chris62vw | aha, I typed "del" and hit tab twice. no wonder |
| 06:25.42 | Cym | yep |
| 06:25.46 | Overand | Chris62vw: don't forget bong rips |
| 06:25.48 | Cym | i dont get it |
| 06:25.48 | Overand | er |
| 06:25.49 | Chris62vw | peterS, right, I remember trying both and went with adduser :-) |
| 06:25.53 | Overand | cheal: don't forget bong rips |
| 06:25.57 | peterS | Chris62vw: yeah |
| 06:26.05 | Chris62vw | Overand, I dont have a bong but I am pretty stoned :-) |
| 06:26.14 | cheal | Overand: that was included in "anything you'll like" |
| 06:26.19 | peterS | tcsetattr: haha |
| 06:26.23 | valdyn | Cym: restart udev manually just once anyway |
| 06:26.30 | valdyn | Cym: ( w/o rebooting ) |
| 06:26.32 | Cym | valdyn, do you have "makedev" installed? |
| 06:26.36 | Overand | hehe |
| 06:26.44 | peterS | tcsetattr: hey, I was talking down to someone who wondered why you'd want a text console. I use more precise language with people I think will understand it |
| 06:26.46 | valdyn | Cym: sure |
| 06:27.08 | tcsetattr | if vgacon is not "graphical", but a full-screen xterm is, then where's the line? which side of it is fbcon on? |
| 06:27.13 | Cym | well fiddle sticks |
| 06:27.45 | bob2 | codomaniac: find out what else you upgraded |
| 06:27.49 | Chris62vw | thanks peterS |
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| 06:27.53 | peterS | tcsetattr: mouse use in full-screen xterm shows a non-rectangular glyph for the mouse cursor, which moves smoothly |
| 06:28.06 | peterS | tcsetattr: since we're talking about mouse usage here, maybe that's relevant |
| 06:28.20 | tcsetattr | the main difference is that in vgacon you're using hardware accelerated text rendering. xterm and fbcon are using software rendering. In video games, people hate software rendering, but for some reason that doesn't seem to apply here.. |
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| 06:29.00 | peterS | tcsetattr: it applies to me. hardware rendering is the main reason I like vga text consoles. scrolling stuff *really fast* is a nice thing to be able to do when needed |
| 06:29.00 | okodele | Zero_Kelvin: when you say debian, you are referring to stable? |
| 06:29.13 | tcsetattr | doesn't FreeBSD have a fancy smooth-moving arrow cursor in their gpm equivalent? |
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| 06:29.55 | Zero_Kelvin | Other than being careful when I copy my .kde directory from my Gentoo install to my Debian install, is there anything I really should look out for? I was gonna install Debian, set it up the way I like it, and copy my home dir from my Gentoo install over. Then copy the whole install back to the larger SATA drive, and run it from there - the old PATA 40 is more for "playing with". |
| 06:30.05 | Zero_Kelvin | okodele: Hell no, Unstable. :) |
| 06:30.10 | peterS | tcsetattr: possible. some bios setup screen I once saw had one. it was even animated, as though they *really* wanted to show off what they could do with updating vga font tables on the fly |
| 06:30.39 | bob2 | I wouldn't be using unstable if you've never used Debian before |
| 06:30.40 | tcsetattr | I saw a BIOS setup screen that was full-on graphical... looked like the Windoze 3.1 program manager |
| 06:30.50 | okodele | Zero_Kelvin: I thought unstable is up to date on the latest. |
| 06:31.09 | mwilson | tcsetattr: My old Thinkpad 600E has *that*. |
| 06:31.14 | peterS | tcsetattr: an old DOS version of tetris used the font substitution trick to great effect. you honestly couldn't tell it was vga text, it looked like a fully graphical version of tetris, though each block was just two colors, no smooth gradients |
| 06:31.18 | Zero_Kelvin | bob2: Hehehe, I've used Debian before. Just went to Gentoo for a while on this machine. Server downstairs is Debian, has been for years. |
| 06:31.32 | Zero_Kelvin | okodele: Yeah, I was just browsing through the online package database. |
| 06:31.35 | bob2 | ah |
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| 06:31.45 | tcsetattr | now you've disappointed me. I thought there was a hardware sprite involved... |
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| 06:31.55 | peterS | tcsetattr: yeah, I hate those. they always make them ugly and hardly functional. the pure text ones are so much easier to use |
| 06:32.05 | john | anybody know of a good document on installing artwiz fonts on a debian machine for fluxbox? |
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| 06:32.17 | okodele | Zero_Kelvin: so, in that case why you said it is slow with kde 3.4? |
| 06:32.26 | Zero_Kelvin | Really want to get a laptop and put Debian on it. Use it for a portable working machine and turn this one into a new server. |
| 06:32.44 | mwilson | john: You don't read the one linked from the fluxcrap site for some reason? |
| 06:32.45 | peterS | tcsetattr: well, I don't know what the BSD gpm-equivalent does. maybe it does use a graphical framebuffer, as opposed to vga hardware font substitutions |
| 06:33.02 | Zero_Kelvin | okodele: X 6.8.2 and KDE 3.4. I wanted both, and since they've got them I've been mulling switching back. |
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| 06:33.37 | bob2 | debian has kde 3.4? |
| 06:33.55 | Zero_Kelvin | bob2: In unstable according to the online database. |
| 06:33.58 | okodele | Zero_Kelvin: so you have not been looking hard enough before you made the switch to gentoo. |
| 06:34.09 | tcsetattr | so apparently nothing since the C=64 has had hardware sprites on top of hardware text mode... |
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| 06:34.30 | Cym | it just doesnt make sense that /def/fd gets created but not the rest and i see all 4 rules in links.conf |
| 06:34.31 | john | mwilson: hmm, and this is where? |
| 06:34.40 | Cym | err /dev/fd |
| 06:34.50 | Zero_Kelvin | okodele: Gentoo was also a chance to do a real "fiddly" setup. I learned a bit from setting up this machine with that. It was a learning experience. :) |
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| 06:35.13 | peterS | tcsetattr: what's the distinction you're drawing between font glyphs and sprites? a sprite can be positioned on pixel boundaries? |
| 06:35.26 | Nigel | hey guys, quick q. just formatted a DVD+RW in K3b, whats the best way to write to it now? |
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| 06:36.13 | Cym | how do i restart udev |
| 06:36.16 | peterS | Nigel: dunno, I think recent 2.6 kernels support packet writing. in which case you can mount the dvd device using the udf filesystem, and read/write it normally as part of your filesystem |
| 06:36.26 | peterS | Nigel: but I could be wrong, you may have to do something special to get this to work |
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| 06:36.52 | tcsetattr | a sprite doesn't take a slot out of the font table, and a sprite can overlap a character cell with the character partially visible underneath it... and a sprite is larger than a character cell... but I guess I see your point, they're really like a second, larger font |
| 06:36.57 | mwilson | john: Do I look like fluxbox.org to you? |
| 06:37.34 | peterS | tcsetattr: no I was just wondering what capabilities these sprites have. I certainly haven't heard that any of this is supported by vga hardware text mode, though |
| 06:37.42 | john | mwilson: I was asking 'bout the fluxbox link site, so yeah thanks. |
| 06:37.50 | peterS | then again, I didn't know the C=64 could do all that either |
| 06:37.51 | tcsetattr | if you didn't have a C=64 you wouldn't understand :-) |
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| 06:38.37 | Zero_Kelvin | Okay, well, I've got my "support" laptop (my sisters old one) in case I run into trouble and need to look something up on the net so I think I'll have a smoke, mentally prepare myself, and then begin the journey back to Debianville. Next time I talk to you guys it should be from there. :) |
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| 06:39.27 | Nigel | UDF-fs: No partition found (1) |
| 06:39.33 | Cym | no, manually restarting udev didnt help |
| 06:39.44 | Nigel | sudo mount -t udf /dev/dvd /media/cdrom0/ |
| 06:39.50 | tcsetattr | the mouse pointer could for example be a sprite and to move it over top of the characters you'd only have to adjust 2 hardware registers: the x and y coordinates of the sprite (which are pixel-granularity), you don't have to fiddle with ORing together a certain fragment of each character under the pointer with a certain fragment of the pointer itself, and storing that into an otherwise-unused font table entry, and sneaki |
| 06:39.50 | peterS | Nigel: is it formatted for udf? |
| 06:40.03 | Nigel | i just used K3b |
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| 06:40.17 | peterS | Nigel: I think DVD-RWs are like floppies, there's low-level formatting and filesystem creation, you have to do both |
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| 06:40.36 | peterS | Nigel: I don't have a dvd writer and I don't use k3b so I'm kinda guessing here |
| 06:40.49 | tonsofpcs | peterS - umm, kinda... |
| 06:40.55 | peterS | Nigel: the low-level formatting is called 'blanking', I believe |
| 06:40.58 | tcsetattr | I have a dvd writer but I have not yet purchased any rewritable discs... |
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| 06:41.13 | tonsofpcs | Nigel - try -t iso9660 ? |
| 06:41.16 | Nigel | so what, put fat on it or something |
| 06:41.22 | peterS | tonsofpcs: iso9660 is a read-only filesystem though |
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| 06:41.34 | okodele | bob2: noted your advice about avoiding unstable for newbie. i have been using 'testing' for a year now. thought of upgrading to unstable. is there any big challenge in operating an 'unstble' debian system? |
| 06:41.39 | Nigel | Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
| 06:41.41 | tonsofpcs | peterS - ummm... kinda.... |
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| 06:41.51 | tonsofpcs | Nigel - and there is something written to it? |
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| 06:41.51 | peterS | Nigel: not fat, fat won't work on dvd media. you really do need a filesystem specific to the requirements |
| 06:41.52 | nav5 | does anyone know what driver to use with Display Adapter Intel(r) 82815 Graphics Controller ? |
| 06:42.06 | peterS | tonsofpcs: he just 'formatted' a blank dvd+rw with k3b, whatever that might have done |
| 06:42.19 | bob2 | okodele: not really, as long as you know how to use dpkg/etc, and can deal with things being uninstallable sometimes |
| 06:42.21 | peterS | tonsofpcs: now he wants to mount it. I suggested udf but that didn't work for him. what would k3b have put on there? |
| 06:42.24 | enyc | nav: sounds like onboard motherboard intel gfx ? |
| 06:42.43 | enyc | nav5: err, try 'i810' I suspect |
| 06:42.45 | mwilson | He can't mount it until he makes a filesystem on it. |
| 06:42.48 | nav5 | enyc: correct |
| 06:43.03 | tcsetattr | it might have just blanked it. |
| 06:43.03 | peterS | mwilson: so when k3b "formats" a DVD it doesn't create a filesystem? |
| 06:43.06 | nav5 | enyc: been seeing stripes on my screen. Thanks, I'll try that |
| 06:43.12 | mwilson | No. |
| 06:43.16 | tonsofpcs | peterS - how did he 'format' it? |
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| 06:43.18 | bob2 | yay for ambiguous windows terminology |
| 06:43.23 | okodele | bob2: 'unstable' means some of the packages are not proven to be stable, right? |
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| 06:43.31 | peterS | tonsofpcs: with k3b. you're the guy with the hardware, I don't know any more about this |
| 06:43.31 | tcsetattr | I love how nobody actually _knows_ what the graphical tools do. we only guess at it |
| 06:43.36 | mwilson | The dvd+rw-tools package has lots of documentation on what "formatting" a DVD+RW means. |
| 06:43.38 | peterS | hehe, indeed |
| 06:43.47 | Nigel | mwilson: thanks |
| 06:43.53 | bob2 | okodele: it's more refering to the fact that it changes lot; it gets dozens of new uploads each day |
| 06:44.03 | peterS | mwilson: the term has been overloaded since the beginning of time. peecees format floppies, unix boxes format them and then create filesystems on them |
| 06:44.05 | tonsofpcs | peterS - who is having this problem? |
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| 06:44.16 | peterS | tonsofpcs: Nigel |
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| 06:44.28 | bob2 | okodele: normally the software itself is just as stable as in testing (if not more, it tends to get bug fixes quicker) |
| 06:44.34 | Cym | ok i see a pattern here. udev is creating all the links in links.conf EXCEPT the nodes |
| 06:44.40 | Cym | i bet its a timing issue |
| 06:44.48 | mwilson | peterS: So do PC's. The problem is that PC's do it in one tool, FORMAT.EXE, and a *nix box does it in two. |
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| 06:44.53 | okodele | bob2: are those packages that are 'unstablbe' highlighted to users? |
| 06:44.58 | bob2 | okodele: no |
| 06:45.09 | peterS | mwilson: I'm saying the term is overloaded, you're saying the term is overloaded |
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| 06:45.19 | tcsetattr | and format.exe has the /q option to skip the first step and just to the second... |
| 06:45.24 | tonsofpcs | so why isn't he answering me? |
| 06:45.26 | tcsetattr | s/to the second/do the second/ |
| 06:45.38 | mwilson | I don't think the term is overloaded, I think the PC side is more than a little confused. |
| 06:45.39 | Cym | Ill bet that since udev works asynchronously, its trying to create the link before the actual node gets created |
| 06:45.40 | bob2 | do proprietary unixes tend to support more than one main FS? |
| 06:45.58 | tonsofpcs | bob2 - maybe |
| 06:45.59 | okodele | bob2: so it is a mixture of stable and unstable packages without the user knowing which is which? |
| 06:46.12 | jopo | gffg |
| 06:46.15 | bob2 | okodele: what meaning of unstable do you mean? |
| 06:46.24 | Nigel | right so this dvd+rw tools thing talks about the diff ways of formatting, but what will work on both windows and linux? |
| 06:46.35 | bob2 | okodele: they all tend to change a lot, so they're unstable in that sense. mostly the code itself is solid, so it's stable in that sense. |
| 06:46.54 | okodele | bob2: from what you said earlier, it is still changing, being updated. |
| 06:47.03 | peterS | mwilson: why does it not surprise me to find you making an argument about semantics that does not matter? |
| 06:47.14 | bob2 | okodele: right... |
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| 06:49.05 | nige | hello |
| 06:49.16 | tcsetattr | now for another random complaint... what happened to /usr/bin/file between woody and sarge? it's like a million times slower now. |
| 06:49.20 | nige | any way to recover data off a partion you have used mkfs ? |
| 06:49.37 | enyc | errr |
| 06:49.40 | enyc | depdnds ;p |
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| 06:50.09 | enyc | did you mkfs the same partition in the same parameters with the same mkfs as when it was first built ? |
| 06:50.21 | mwilson | I imagine it supports a million more magic numbers. |
| 06:50.25 | tcsetattr | what kind of filesystem, nige? (this is 2 questions in one: what kind was it before, and what did you mkfs on it?) |
| 06:50.33 | peterS | tcsetattr: I think they introduced the .mgc "compiled magic file" format between woody and sarge. you'd think that would make it *faster* though |
| 06:50.41 | nige | I think didi |
| 06:50.50 | enyc | tcse: thats a sensible questuib ;-) |
| 06:50.51 | nige | it was an ext3 |
| 06:50.56 | nige | partion |
| 06:51.00 | tcsetattr | I did that once with a mke2fs... luckily it doesn't actually erase anything so in effect all that happened was the inodes all got 0'ed out. |
| 06:51.13 | nige | :) |
| 06:51.16 | nige | so there is hpe for me? |
| 06:51.23 | enyc | nige: ok.. and you mkfs on it?? |
| 06:51.25 | nige | i am using ubuntu |
| 06:51.27 | nige | yer i did |
| 06:51.35 | nige | i just did a mkfs /dev/hdb5 |
| 06:51.36 | enyc | nige: mkdosfs mke2fs mk ?? what?? |
| 06:51.40 | tcsetattr | everything else was still in the same place, so I reconstructed the inodes and directories... how to decide which file goes with which name is the hard part |
| 06:51.43 | mwilson | nige: #ubuntu, then. |
| 06:51.47 | enyc | nige: aaah.. thats probably put an ext_2_ on it |
| 06:51.49 | nige | now when i mount that partion i get a lost and found then |
| 06:51.59 | nige | yer, but ubuntu is like debian i blieve |
| 06:52.01 | enyc | nige: yes, thats becuase youve got blank tables etc. ;p |
| 06:52.03 | nige | or have been lead to believe |
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| 06:52.04 | nige | okay |
| 06:52.10 | nige | so how do i fix that enyc? |
| 06:52.13 | peterS | nige: we still aren't responsible for supporting ubuntu |
| 06:52.17 | enyc | nige: ubuntu is based oon debian in every way basically ;p |
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| 06:52.24 | nige | that what i was thinking |
| 06:52.31 | nige | I know that, but they told me to come see you guys |
| 06:52.32 | valdyn | @based on |
| 06:52.35 | tcsetattr | nige, the big question... how important is your lost data? if it isn't going to be worth spending a lot of time reconstructing it from pieces, you better just give up |
| 06:52.39 | nige | you guys tend to knwo more :) |
| 06:52.39 | peterS | nige: we might or might not be able to answer your question but sometimes we get a bit testy when asked to support Somebody Else's Users |
| 06:52.41 | enyc | nige: err im not sure ;p i wonder how you recover an ext2 |
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| 06:52.50 | mwilson | enyc: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 06:52.57 | nige | well i would like to get it back |
| 06:53.02 | nige | and its all part of learning :) |
| 06:53.09 | nige | I do undestand peterS :) |
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| 06:53.17 | enyc | mwil: well... long story I think ;-) |
| 06:53.24 | tcsetattr | the most useful tools for me were debugfs and lde, but I did a lot of stuff by hand... I ended up with this pile of perl scripts that would do various e2fs parsing and guessing |
| 06:53.44 | peterS | nige: the implication is "your system isn't good enough for me but I still want you to provide support" |
| 06:53.47 | nige | i am reasonable linux noob :( |
| 06:54.00 | bob2 | then you're pretty much screwed |
| 06:54.05 | tcsetattr | success will depend on how badly fragmented the lost files are. If they are contiguous on disk, putting them back together again is easy |
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| 06:54.08 | nige | well no, peterS is more of a case i am looking for help |
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| 06:54.13 | nige | and anything is better than nothing |
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| 06:55.24 | tcsetattr | the great thing about directories is that from the "." and ".." entries, you can do a perfect match of every directory to its parent, and from there every directory to its name. Except the root directory and its immediate children since mke2fs wiped out the root. |
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| 06:56.12 | tcsetattr | I bet nige isn't following any of this. |
| 06:56.12 | peterS | tcsetattr: should be possible to reconstruct the root, with incorrect filenames in it, though |
| 06:56.18 | nige | i am reading |
| 06:56.33 | nige | i understand the data is still there |
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| 06:56.48 | valdyn | nige: man mount, search for 'sb=', worth i try i suppose |
| 06:56.49 | nige | becuase the disk hasnt been over written yet like in doing a shred |
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| 06:57.43 | nige | okay |
| 06:57.46 | nige | i will try the smb |
| 06:58.03 | tcsetattr | do you know what an inode is, what an indirect (and double and triple indirect) block is, and can you do hexadecimal arithmetic in your head without converting to decimal as an intermediate? |
| 06:58.17 | nige | no |
| 06:58.20 | nige | i cant do that |
| 06:58.22 | tcsetattr | if not, don't attempt data recovery on your own :) |
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| 06:59.06 | tcsetattr | what was the name of that automated ext2 reconstruction tool... |
| 06:59.09 | yaboo | anyone able to remind me how to write under debian floppy images to floppy? |
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| 06:59.27 | nige | foremost ? |
| 06:59.32 | tonsofpcs | dd? |
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| 06:59.35 | nige | i couldnt get foremost to compile :( |
| 06:59.42 | peterS | tcsetattr: unless there's a tool out there for "I have no superblock or root directory, but just scan for things that look like inodes and directory contents, and reconstruct a filesystem from them" |
| 07:00.03 | valdyn | nige: also try 'man e2fsck' and search for superblock. |
| 07:00.09 | tcsetattr | peterS, if he did a mke2fs over an existing e2fs (like I did), he has no inodes. NOTHING looks like an inode. They are ALL 0's. |
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| 07:00.25 | peterS | tcsetattr: it zeroes all the inodes? I thought it just marked them all as unused |
| 07:00.29 | tcsetattr | the inodes are what you have to conjure up by magic |
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| 07:01.09 | peterS | I thought mke2fs just zeroed the inode allocation bitmaps, and file allocation bitmaps |
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| 07:01.23 | peterS | and created a pristine superblock + copies |
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| 07:01.48 | peterS | and of course an empty root directory (well, with lost+found/ in it) |
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| 07:02.00 | nige | okay |
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| 07:02.14 | tcsetattr | peterS, it could do that. But I did this last year, and I spent like a few hundred hours making inodes appear from nowhere. I dreamed inodes. They were all 0. |
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| 07:03.05 | tcsetattr | and this happened, by the way, because nbd-client and nbd-server have no safety checks to prevent you from attaching the same file to 2 different block devices :) |
| 07:03.07 | Nigel | oh yeah, before i really worry about dvd+rw, i really need to worry about how to export my darn mail... |
| 07:03.32 | peterS | tcsetattr: oh dear |
| 07:03.40 | tcsetattr | so mke2fs had no way of knowing that I was overwriting a mounted filesystem... I was addressing it via a new block device |
| 07:03.50 | peterS | right, right |
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| 07:04.21 | tcsetattr | now I think nbd-server should perhaps use LOCK_EX when exporting in writable mode... |
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| 07:04.49 | nige | i am running a e2fsck |
| 07:04.50 | nige | now |
| 07:04.52 | peterS | tcsetattr: it does no file locking at all? wow. |
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| 07:05.09 | peterS | nige: almost certainly won't do anything useful |
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| 07:05.24 | tcsetattr | I don't think it does. I was using it in a weird way though. Normally there would only be one server instance accepting incoming connections. |
| 07:05.30 | nige | ohh |
| 07:05.31 | nige | okay |
| 07:05.42 | nige | so basically i am rather screwed right? |
| 07:05.47 | peterS | nige: did you overwrite an ext3 filesystem with an ext2 filesystem? |
| 07:05.52 | nige | yes i think soo |
| 07:05.54 | peterS | nige: that's what I think you said |
| 07:06.04 | tcsetattr | yeah, e2fsck in your situation will only complain about directory entires referencing zero'ed out inodes. It will then offer to change the directory entry's dtype to 0, making the problem worse. |
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| 07:06.21 | nige | 0.0% non-contiguous |
| 07:06.21 | peterS | nige: in that case e2fsck won't do anything for you and, as tcsetattr has said, you aren't going to have anywhere near the skill to recover the filesystem yourself |
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| 07:06.42 | nige | thats probably what I thought |
| 07:06.42 | tcsetattr | there _is_ an automated tool for this though, I just can't remember what it's called. |
| 07:06.46 | jethro | hello #debian |
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| 07:06.57 | tcsetattr | I saw an ITP post for it right after I had finished doing it all the hard way |
| 07:07.03 | nige | is there anyway to tell the filestytem type ? |
| 07:07.12 | peterS | nige: file - < /dev/whatever |
| 07:07.13 | nige | becuase in fdisk /dev/hdb5 is listed as 83 |
| 07:07.24 | tcsetattr | partition table types really don't mean much. |
| 07:07.37 | nige | bugger it is e2 |
| 07:07.40 | nige | ext2 :( |
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| 07:07.45 | peterS | nige: partition type 82 or 83 or whatever means very little. that's just an advisory label, most things don't really use it |
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| 07:08.10 | dhart | hi |
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| 07:08.34 | enyc | nige: like.. "linux" partition type can contain ext2, ext3, reiserfs, proablay many others that are 'oridiarially' put in that fs ''type value'' |
| 07:08.42 | dhart | hmm... client or server not taking my nick change.. oh well, I'll be #debian. :-) |
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| 07:09.51 | dhart | I'm trying apache2 for the first time, and found some unlikely behaviour I hope is local to my config |
| 07:09.54 | nige | is testdisk anygood? |
| 07:09.57 | ricochet | Question: Sorry if this is annoying, but does anyone know if nvidia cards are working with xorg now? (running sid, nv driver) |
| 07:10.04 | Quinn_Storm | does anyone know where I could get xserver-freedesktop (formerly kdrive) binaries for x86/debian? specifically .deb would be great...I haven't been able to make it compile from source and I'd love to use it given this system's specs (and I don't need 3d accel obviously) |
| 07:10.10 | eps | ricochet the nvidia one works fine |
| 07:10.19 | valdyn | ricochet: newest cards wont work. |
| 07:10.33 | ricochet | this is a GeForce2 MX-400 |
| 07:10.39 | chea1 | ricochet, they should as much as with XFree86 |
| 07:10.41 | eps | ricochet are you asking about nv or nvidia? |
| 07:10.42 | theD3viL | Quinn_Storm, apt? |
| 07:10.51 | eps | ricochet that will work no problems |
| 07:10.55 | valdyn | ricochet: that should work with any 'nv', be it XFree86 or Xorg |
| 07:11.08 | ricochet | eps, well my previous config (xfree) used nv |
| 07:11.11 | Quinn_Storm | theD3viL: do you mean apt-get.org? tried there with many various searches |
| 07:11.12 | eps | it how ever might not work with nvidia (driver) |
| 07:11.18 | dhart | apache2 is defaulting to my first vhost, not to the default vhost, strange, eh? anyone seen this behaviour before? |
| 07:11.24 | eps | ricochet yeah it will work fine |
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| 07:11.58 | codomaniac | still no clue with my fonts... |
| 07:12.13 | codomaniac | older kernel has small uber cool fonts.... |
| 07:12.29 | codomaniac | when i boot to this new kernel fonts get bigger in konsole. |
| 07:12.33 | codomaniac | i want small one. |
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| 07:12.54 | ricochet | eps, valdyn: ok.. well its just sitting there in the screen that it usually flashes right before it goes to the normal X (it prints out the crad info and mem and such) The same config worked for xfree86. any ideas what the difference is? |
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| 07:13.01 | valdyn | codomaniac: konsole fonts have nothing to do with your kernel. |
| 07:13.05 | theD3viL | Quinn_Storm, no... i mean .. open konsole, su, and type: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:13.18 | codomaniac | valdyn: sorry it was console fonts. |
| 07:13.20 | Quinn_Storm | theD3viL: you clearly didn't read what I said, did you |
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| 07:13.49 | ricochet | eps, valdyn: oh, this is a multiheaded environment. other (primary AGP card) is a radeon |
| 07:14.08 | tcsetattr | KDE has convinced people that "console" is spelled with a K! This is worse than anything Stallman ever did with his G's :) |
| 07:14.15 | theD3viL | Quinn_Storm, why do you need .deb? |
| 07:14.39 | codomaniac | tcsetattr: heh yes. |
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| 07:15.08 | Quinn_Storm | theD3viL: READ what I said before you answer. I am looking for xserver-freedesktop (formerly known as kdrive), NOT xfree86! |
| 07:15.25 | peterS | tcsetattr: oh I dunno. the gnu project is responsible for people thinking they need to "learn bash" when they should really just learn bourne / posix shell syntax |
| 07:15.42 | peterS | for that matter I guess "learn bash" also connotes learning the unix command-line utilities |
| 07:15.42 | tonsofpcs | tcsetattr - console is spelt "xterm" |
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| 07:16.35 | codomaniac | valdyn: shall i ping you privately ? |
| 07:16.39 | codomaniac | bob2: you there ? |
| 07:16.42 | tcsetattr | just tell them their first assignment is to learn what the acronym "bash" stands for |
| 07:16.48 | caphuso | peterS: of course. otherwise the "how to i make bash use colors" couldn't meaningfully be answered with "ls --color" ;-) |
| 07:16.49 | peterS | tcsetattr: ha |
| 07:16.50 | bob2 | codomaniac: you didn't answer my question, still |
| 07:16.59 | peterS | caphuso: hehehe. exactly. |
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| 07:16.59 | valdyn | codomaniac: no, im not into debugging your kernel, sorry |
| 07:17.08 | codomaniac | bob2: that upgrade ? well i was on woody before. |
| 07:17.19 | codomaniac | bob2: then i did sarge upgrade |
| 07:17.24 | codomaniac | the kernel was still old one. |
| 07:17.32 | ricochet | eps, valdyn: ok, I see some errors. Unable to to find valid framebuffer device, and (NV) failed to open framebuffere device |
| 07:17.33 | bob2 | codomaniac: so, by "upgrade kernel to 2.6.8.1", you mean "upgrade every single paclage"? |
| 07:17.43 | codomaniac | so i apt-get installed 2.6.8 image bob2 |
| 07:18.07 | codomaniac | ricochet: disable framebuffer... it might help |
| 07:18.07 | valdyn | ricochet: i have no idea how nv behaves in such an environment, maybe you have to specify the pciid |
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| 07:18.30 | codomaniac | bob2: uh ? |
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| 07:18.38 | valdyn | ricochet: and just dont answer yes to the framebuffer question in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:18.51 | codomaniac | yes valdyn is correct ... |
| 07:19.11 | Donaldo | can anyone help me with kdrive? |
| 07:19.25 | bob2 | Donaldo: #freedesktop |
| 07:19.25 | Zugschlus | &away |
| 07:19.27 | Zugschlus | argh |
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| 07:19.50 | codomaniac | bob2: so i need to update the fontconf how ? |
| 07:19.51 | Donaldo | thanks bob2 |
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| 07:20.20 | tcsetattr | the "framebuffer question" is getting to be as notorious as the "woodchuck question". One you don't as, and one you don't answer. |
| 07:20.29 | ricochet | valdyn: the BusID is specified... It seems to want a framebuffer |
| 07:20.37 | bob2 | codomaniac: I still don't understand wat you did |
| 07:20.38 | codomaniac | ricochet: leave it blank |
| 07:20.42 | bob2 | or what the problem is |
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| 07:20.48 | bob2 | so probably just ignore me |
| 07:20.56 | codomaniac | hehe bob2 okay as you wish. |
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| 07:21.08 | codomaniac | Thanks for your time bob2 |
| 07:21.10 | ricochet | codomaniac: its multiheaded, docs say I can't leave it blank. |
| 07:21.23 | codomaniac | ricochet: well i did leave it blank. |
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| 07:21.51 | codomaniac | and now am running x window prefect on a system that has nvidia. |
| 07:22.14 | peterS | ricochet: then use 'lspci -X' to see the right format for the bus ID |
| 07:22.31 | peterS | ricochet: it's that string of numbers that starts with "PCI:" |
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| 07:23.55 | ricochet | peterS: I'm pretty sure that is right, as this config worked under xfree86 "PCI:2:2:0" |
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| 07:26.04 | tcsetattr | anyway as I was saying before... /usr/bin/file from woody (which was file-3.x) could read from a pipe with `...|file -' and it would read the header and print an answer. No significant time or space requirements. file-4.x, found in sarge, reads many megabytes (maybe the whole file, I've never waited long enough for it to actually _stop_), copies them all into /tmp, and THEN does the job. So it requires a crapload of time |
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| 07:26.15 | tcsetattr | how is this an improvement? |
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| 07:27.28 | peterS | tcsetattr: it's not an improvement. maybe the sarge one has an option of digging into container files or something (with -z it runs a gunzip pass before reporting) and that's why it needs a big sample which is file-backed |
| 07:27.41 | valdyn | tcsetattr: hmm? it takes no time to run an a 4.5G iso |
| 07:28.12 | tcsetattr | valdyn, try cat foo.iso | file - |
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| 07:28.34 | peterS | valdyn: the point is when it gets input from a pipe rather than a file |
| 07:28.38 | valdyn | tcsetattr: point |
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| 07:28.54 | peterS | apparently something in file now requires a functional lseek |
| 07:28.58 | peterS | I agree that this is a regression |
| 07:29.00 | tcsetattr | anything that's not in the first 4K of the fileshouldn't be considered a magic number suitable for file(1) anyway... it should never need more than that |
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| 07:29.48 | peterS | tcsetattr: I'd say that's worth filing a bug about. it's "only" performance, but it's still important in many use cases |
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| 07:30.31 | tcsetattr | it's also a case of I needed to use it on a system where /tmp was a full disk, and it completely failed to work... of course lots of things fail when /tmp is full so that's not much to complain about |
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| 07:31.27 | peterS | right, "it failed because /tmp was full" is not a very good justification (: |
| 07:31.32 | tcsetattr | just seems to me that if your package increases its use of temp files, you're moving backwards |
| 07:31.38 | peterS | but waiting to read more than 4k or 8k of a file is |
| 07:31.42 | tcsetattr | tempf iles are ugly to me in the way /dev/fd is to you :) |
| 07:31.48 | peterS | since the producer process might be arbitrarily slow at producing data |
| 07:32.13 | tcsetattr | I also noticed there is a regexp feature in the magic file now. Which could very well be related to the "sucking lots of data into a temp file" feature |
| 07:32.45 | ricochet | peterS, valdyn: ok well now X started on both, but there doesnt appear to be a window manager running on the second monitor. mouse works over there, but its just the X crosshatch startup screen. How do I get a wm to start on it? |
| 07:32.52 | ricochet | if that is what I need |
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| 07:32.58 | peterS | tcsetattr: hmmm, the source only has two instances of lseek |
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| 07:33.31 | tcsetattr | mmap? :) |
| 07:33.36 | peterS | tcsetattr: actually lots but most are in 'readelf.c' which is ... I dunno, why does file have the specific ability to parse elf files? |
| 07:33.54 | tcsetattr | ricochet, are you wanting to run 2 separate xdm login screens? |
| 07:33.55 | peterS | ahh yes, it does use mmap |
| 07:34.33 | peterS | tcsetattr: whoa! it mmaps the whole file, or failing that, *reads the whole file* |
| 07:34.42 | ricochet | tcsetattr: huh? no, just trying to get two desktops like I had before with xfree86. |
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| 07:35.04 | peterS | tcsetattr: surely I'm reading this wrong. slurping in the whole file, unconditionally, is the worst sort of badness I can think of here |
| 07:35.06 | tcsetattr | ricochet, how am I supposed to know what you had before? so you want a single login that spans both screens? |
| 07:35.24 | peterS | tcsetattr: ahh, I *was* reading it wrong. *whew*. |
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| 07:36.21 | ricochet | tcsetattr, I dont want a login screen. What I had before is I type "startx" and I get two different KDE sessions? running, one on each screen. And xinerama for when I wanted it to be one large screen |
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| 07:37.11 | peterS | tcsetattr: it appears that the only thing that requires a file, as opposed to a pipe, is 'readelf.c', which I assume is all about parsing ELF headers for binaries and libraries |
| 07:37.16 | tcsetattr | oh, a startx user. |
| 07:37.22 | valdyn | ricochet: what makes you think there's no wm running on the right screen? |
| 07:37.49 | peterS | tcsetattr: so if your 'file' is creating a temp file for something that doesn't have an ELF magic number at the beginning, then it's seriously screwing up |
| 07:37.50 | ricochet | valdyn: its just the normal X startup crosshatch pattern |
| 07:38.03 | valdyn | ricochet: that is the default, doesnt mean anything else. |
| 07:38.07 | tcsetattr | startx has been deprecated for like 10 or 15 years but it won't die |
| 07:38.11 | ricochet | valdyn, ok |
| 07:38.16 | valdyn | ricochet: rightclick on it with your mouse |
| 07:38.29 | ricochet | valdyn, ok, nothing happens |
| 07:38.34 | peterS | hmmm, readelf.c is written by chrisos zoulos |
| 07:38.41 | peterS | that's the tcsh dude, right? |
| 07:38.46 | tcsetattr | readelf.c is probably taken straight from binutils |
| 07:38.56 | peterS | eh, zoulas not zoulos |
| 07:39.19 | tcsetattr | my worst-case scenario, by the way, is cat /dev/hda1 | file - (where /dev/hda1 an ext2 filesystem containing my /tmp) |
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| 07:39.28 | peterS | "@(#)$Id: readelf.c,v 1.45 2004/11/24 17:38:24 christos Exp $" |
| 07:39.37 | peterS | so heartwarming to see RCS (or CVS) still being used |
| 07:40.00 | tcsetattr | file -s /dev/hda1 reads a 64K chunk and prints the correct answer. The pipe version reads 64 K, attempts to seek, then starts copying to /tmp. Why doesn't it print the answer that it should have known from that same 64K? I have no idea |
| 07:40.20 | valdyn | ricochet: '$DISPLAY=0:0.1 xterm' |
| 07:40.48 | valdyn | ricochet: 'DISPLAY=0:0.1 xterm' |
| 07:41.11 | tcsetattr | I believe it should be DISPLAY=:0.1 |
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| 07:41.30 | valdyn | tcsetattr: should be equivalent |
| 07:41.38 | tcsetattr | but I don't have dual-head experience |
| 07:41.54 | tcsetattr | if you use 0:0.1, the first 0 is interpreted as a hostname, isn't it? |
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| 07:42.12 | valdyn | tcsetattr: oh nvm, yea, you are right |
| 07:42.28 | ricochet | valdyn: you want me to set $DISPLAY to that? currently it is echo $DISPLAY :0 |
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| 07:42.39 | tcsetattr | now, 0 is sometimes treated as a shorthand for 127.0.0.1, so it might still work |
| 07:42.44 | peterS | right, what you want is :0.1 not 0:0.1 |
| 07:42.48 | valdyn | ricochet: just run 'DISPLAY=:0.1 xterm' |
| 07:43.15 | ricochet | valdyn: xterm opened. |
| 07:43.25 | tcsetattr | on the second screen? |
| 07:43.28 | ricochet | yes |
| 07:43.37 | tcsetattr | well, at least _something_ went right :) |
| 07:43.41 | ricochet | on the crosshatch background one |
| 07:43.43 | valdyn | ricochet: start stuff, once you exit kde and save the session then the next login that stuff should start again |
| 07:43.46 | tcsetattr | now try "DISPLAY=:0.1 twm" |
| 07:44.06 | tcsetattr | one window manager per screen is the rule, as I recall... |
| 07:44.18 | valdyn | right |
| 07:44.37 | valdyn | might want to run kwm instead of twm, since you're using kde |
| 07:44.59 | tcsetattr | no, gotta recruit more people to the twm army! |
| 07:45.04 | ricochet | twm says unable to find unmanaged screens |
| 07:45.21 | tcsetattr | he actually tried it :) |
| 07:45.23 | peterS | tcsetattr: interesting. file reads 64k by default but debian has changed this to 0x18000 |
| 07:45.30 | peterS | ie 96k |
| 07:45.31 | valdyn | ricochet: your xterm is a proper window with borders and all? then you already have a wm running there.. |
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| 07:46.08 | ricochet | valdyn, yep. ok. so where is the rest of it? like the "start" menu and background? |
| 07:46.18 | christian | hi all |
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| 07:46.41 | tcsetattr | ricochet, if you knew the correct name of the program you're asking about, you could just type it in the xterm and have at it. |
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| 07:46.50 | tcsetattr | is it kpanel maybe? |
| 07:46.51 | valdyn | ricochet: kde's panel is just a program called kpanel i think, its not started on the 2nd screen by default, just run it from that xterm ( kpanel & ) |
| 07:47.21 | tcsetattr | silly KDE users. Don't even know the name of the program that provides the centerpiece of the KDE interface that they use every day. |
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| 07:47.33 | christian | i added a scsi disk (and interface) to my debian box. |
| 07:47.39 | valdyn | ricochet: i have no idea how far kde's multi-screen support is, gnome's wasnt perfect last i tried... |
| 07:47.40 | christian | How can i access it? |
| 07:48.13 | tcsetattr | SCSI disks are named starting with /dev/sda |
| 07:48.14 | valdyn | christian: same as any other harddisk |
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| 07:48.20 | christian | i try doing scsiadd but it says: could not add device, function not implemented |
| 07:48.58 | tcsetattr | scsiadd? eek. At most you should load a SCSI module and the sd modules (try using modconf) |
| 07:49.08 | ricochet | valdyn, no kpanel... I see a kwin running - using ps aux |
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| 07:49.29 | valdyn | !find kpanel |
| 07:49.32 | valdyn | ricochet: you started it? |
| 07:49.39 | tcsetattr | ricochet, KDE does weird crap that causes ps to be less than useful in identifying its processes. |
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| 07:49.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kpanel' (3 of 5): (/usr/lib/timidity/tkpanel.tcl) in sound/timidity-interfaces-extra ;; (/usr/include/kde/{kpanelapplet.h|kpanelappmenu.h|kpanelextension.h|...}) in libdevel/kdelibs4-dev ;; (/usr/share/sip/kde3/kdeui/{kpanelapplet.sip|kpanelappmenu.sip|kpanelextension.sip|...}) in python/python-kde3-dev. |
| 07:49.57 | wobbler | ricochet: just type kicker and the panel will run |
| 07:49.57 | ricochet | valdyn, I started what? |
| 07:50.03 | valdyn | ricochet: kpanel |
| 07:50.23 | valdyn | ricochet: in that newly created xterm, run 'kpanel &' |
| 07:50.33 | ricochet | valdyn, no, couldn't find it (in path anyways) |
| 07:50.38 | rixth | Okay, how do I tar an entire directory including subdirectories/hidden directories? (I'm thinking my home folder). No compression needed. |
| 07:50.51 | tcsetattr | then try kicker. You have a new suggestion courtesy of wobbler |
| 07:50.52 | valdyn | ricochet: ok, its called somethign else then.. |
| 07:50.53 | christian | i have dpt_i2o yet in the kernel. I need other modules? |
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| 07:51.11 | valdyn | guess kpanel is from kde 1.0 or whatever |
| 07:51.22 | ricochet | wobbler: ERROR: kicker is already running! |
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| 07:51.53 | tcsetattr | christian, is that the module for your SCSI host adapter? I don't think I've heard of dpt_i2o before |
| 07:52.07 | peterS | yes that's a scsi adapter |
| 07:52.18 | valdyn | ricochet: kde probably even has dual screen support stuff in its kde control center, i cant know about it.. |
| 07:52.18 | ericP | i tried to use module-assistant to build ipw2200. |
| 07:52.20 | ericP | and got an error: cc1: error: unrecognized option `-iquote/usr/include/ieee80211' |
| 07:52.21 | peterS | it may not expose scsi to userspace though, since it's i2o |
| 07:52.23 | christian | o think so: Adaptec SCSI RAID 2100 |
| 07:52.24 | ericP | $(man gcc) implies that this gcc (4.0) should understand -iquote |
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| 07:52.56 | ericP | anyone here use module-assistant to build ipw2200 on sid? |
| 07:53.10 | valdyn | ericP: yea, it seemed broken to me |
| 07:53.19 | tcsetattr | christian, do you have anything in /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 07:53.25 | valdyn | ericP: checked the bts? |
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| 07:53.58 | ericP | valdyn, oops, nope. i'll try ipw2200 and gcc-4.0 |
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| 07:54.25 | christian | pet/proc/scsi/scsi is empty |
| 07:54.38 | ricochet | valdyn, ok... control panel seems busted at the moment on my system (sid) soo.. I'll play with it. thanks |
| 07:54.38 | valdyn | ericP: try ieee80211-source too |
| 07:54.50 | tcsetattr | christian, anything else in /proc/scsi ? |
| 07:55.03 | valdyn | !depends ipw2200-source |
| 07:55.07 | dpkg | ipw2200-source: depends on module-assistant, debhelper (>> 4.0), ieee80211-source (>= 1.0.3) |
| 07:55.07 | blacktiger | hi all. I have installed alsa-base and alsa-utils, but alsamixer tells "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device". What's wrong? uname -r: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 07:55.08 | christian | dpt_i2o ide_scsi |
| 07:55.30 | ericP | oof, list gets longer |
| 07:55.31 | christian | pardon ide-scsi |
| 07:55.33 | tcsetattr | blacktiger, you need to load some snd modules. See modconf |
| 07:55.51 | tcsetattr | so what's in /proc/scsi/dpt_i2o? |
| 07:55.59 | valdyn | weinholt: ieee80211-source already appears to be broken in sid ( for me, didnt try that long though ), so the erorr could be just there |
| 07:56.02 | wobbler | ricochet: you can try kdesktop and see if you get your desktop icons |
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| 07:56.18 | blacktiger | tcsetattr: I use ac97 sound card, but loading ac97.o doesn't help |
| 07:56.19 | ricochet | wobbler, tried it: said it was already running |
| 07:56.32 | wobbler | interesting |
| 07:56.33 | DedBobFan | just installed sarge demo dvd from linux pro magazine and only have 800x600 resolution. I am wanting 1600x1200, card is radeon 9200. what should i do i am completely new to debian |
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| 07:56.53 | christian | an empy filecalled 0 |
| 07:56.53 | tcsetattr | blacktiger, ac97 is just a _part_ of your sound card driver. You need to get more specific because ac97 is not the whole thing |
| 07:56.54 | rixth | DedBobFan, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:56.56 | valdyn | !tell blacktiger -about alsa |
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| 07:57.13 | DedBobFan | rixth, do i type that in konsole? |
| 07:57.16 | valdyn | blacktiger: what makes you think that ac97.o has anything to do with alsa? |
| 07:57.19 | rixth | DedBobFan, as root, yes |
| 07:57.31 | DedBobFan | ok i will try, thanks ! |
| 07:57.45 | rixth | valdyn, ac97.o _is_ audio related, so I think it is a reasonable assumption |
| 07:57.50 | blacktiger | but what modules should i load? |
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| 07:58.11 | valdyn | rixth: but his kernel doesnt even support alsa...at all |
| 07:58.14 | tcsetattr | blacktiger, if you don't know what sound chipset you have, try lspci, it will give some hints |
| 07:58.24 | rixth | valdyn, oh |
| 07:58.30 | sketchy | are there any mail servers that store mail in a mysql database? |
| 07:58.36 | valdyn | blacktiger: you have to install alsa modules too, they all start with 'snd' |
| 07:58.47 | blacktiger | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) |
| 07:58.51 | tcsetattr | christian, I'm pretty lost here (don't have a scsi machine to refer to at the moment) but have you tried modprobe sd_mod, and does dmesg say anything useful about it? |
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| 07:59.45 | valdyn | !alsa |
| 07:59.45 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 08:00.27 | blacktiger | dpkg: I have done it already |
| 08:00.28 | theD3viL | blacktiger, do you want my asound.conf? |
| 08:00.30 | tcsetattr | blacktiger, looks to me like that should be supported by the intel8x0 driver |
| 08:00.45 | valdyn | blacktiger: this faq entry is horrible, sec |
| 08:00.52 | blacktiger | theD3viL: yes |
| 08:00.53 | theD3viL | blacktiger, sound works? but 2 sounds dont ? |
| 08:01.06 | blacktiger | nothing works |
| 08:01.06 | theD3viL | blacktiger, than i give you my asound.conf |
| 08:01.13 | theD3viL | blacktiger, aha. |
| 08:01.13 | valdyn | blacktiger: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) should get the drivers |
| 08:01.35 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 08:01.35 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 08:01.38 | theD3viL | valdyn, what about alsaconf ? |
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| 08:01.50 | eXistenZ | everytime I try to open a pdf file, it opens through Konqueror, how can I change it to adobe reader? I got adobe reader as first preference as well =/ |
| 08:01.52 | valdyn | blacktiger: after that do what dpkg just said. |
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| 08:02.24 | christian | dmesg: EXT3-fs unable to read superblockadditional sense insicates format commandfailed |
| 08:02.30 | ericP | valdyn, prob appears reported on ipw2200 -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326803 |
| 08:02.34 | ericP | [[ |
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| 08:02.41 | ericP | module-assistant still can't compile ipw2200.ko: |
| 08:02.41 | ericP | ]] |
| 08:02.44 | blacktiger | thanks everybody |
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| 08:02.55 | valdyn | ericP: you could grab the sarge version of that |
| 08:02.59 | christian | so, how can i format my device? |
| 08:03.44 | valdyn | theD3viL: its alright, i dont remember if its really needed, wont hurt to use it however. |
| 08:03.47 | tcsetattr | here comes that ambiguous word "format" again. Have you _found_ the device? is /dev/sda working? |
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| 08:04.02 | theD3viL | ) |
| 08:04.15 | christian | nio, it isn't :-( |
| 08:04.16 | ericP | valdyn, what's the simplest recipe for doing that (grabbing an older version of a package)? i mixed version a long time ago and suffered hard, but probably the state of the art has progressed since them |
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| 08:04.28 | valdyn | ericP: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:04.35 | tcsetattr | christian, how about modprobe sd_mod ; cat /proc/device | fgrep sd |
| 08:04.43 | ericP | valdyn, ahh, manual. tx |
| 08:04.43 | tcsetattr | eek! /proc/devices |
| 08:04.56 | eXistenZ | anyone? :O |
| 08:05.02 | valdyn | ericP: in case of some packages its no problem, like ipw2100-source, but it's not in general a good idea to do it at all |
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| 08:05.31 | tcsetattr | a PDF question from someone named after a crappy scifi movie with StudlyCaps, how can we resist |
| 08:05.32 | christian | it says: 8sd 65 sd 66 sd |
| 08:06.28 | eXistenZ | rofl |
| 08:06.30 | eXistenZ | =] |
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| 08:07.17 | tcsetattr | christian, I'm afraid you stumped me... if /proc/scsi/dpt_i2o exists but is empty, then I don't know what to do to get it to recognize a device... have you terminated the chain and sacrificed the goat? |
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| 08:09.49 | tcsetattr | since you mentioned scsiadd, is this a hot-swap situation? have you rebooted (or at least unloaded and reloaded the module) since plugging in the drive? |
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| 08:11.24 | ericP | valdyn, i'm possibly making some progress getting ipw2200-source=<sid> |
| 08:11.51 | ericP | $(CC=gcc module-assistant a-i ipw2200) seemed to build it, but the install failed due to missing ieee80211-modules-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 08:12.12 | ericP | shoud module-assistant have built that as well? |
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| 08:13.04 | ericP | (btw, hint was cc1 error vs. gcc error. I assume some compatibility mode when arg0="cc1") |
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| 08:14.01 | tcsetattr | cc1 is normally the C compiler backend of gcc, you rarely invoke it directly |
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| 08:15.25 | ericP | tcsetattr, yeah, the ipw2200-source Makefile doesn't override CC so make assumes cc1 (iirc) |
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| 08:16.01 | tcsetattr | well, cc is the default. which on Linux systems is just an alias for (some version of) gcc. |
| 08:16.01 | Alex_BO | HELLO!Is there a program that print a quote at every login? |
| 08:16.13 | caphuso | Alex_BO: fortune |
| 08:16.17 | muaddib | Curious has anyone played with xine I just read about in the linux journal and I was thinking about depolying it on a new box I am going to purchase from geeks.com |
| 08:16.25 | harleyg | :D |
| 08:16.28 | Alex_BO | caphuso, are there the sources? |
| 08:16.30 | theD3viL | is any program to "resolve" iso files? |
| 08:16.36 | harleyg | can you lot see my text? |
| 08:16.38 | Gnea | muaddib: who hasn't played with xine? |
| 08:16.42 | caphuso | Alex_BO: apt-get source fortune-mod |
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| 08:17.15 | Gnea | muaddib: it's alright, but it's not an end-all media player |
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| 08:17.26 | TiTAN_pi8 | hellow |
| 08:17.33 | Alex_BO | caphuso, sorry. I don't know well apt. I write $apt-get source fortune-mod, and where can i find them? |
| 08:17.51 | caphuso | Alex_BO: ls |
| 08:18.03 | caphuso | what do you need the source for anyways? |
| 08:18.11 | peterS | Alex_BO: current directory |
| 08:18.17 | Alex_BO | caphuso, are they in the dir where i am? |
| 08:18.25 | Alex_BO | peterS, caphuso, thanks |
| 08:18.28 | caphuso | Alex_BO: in a sub directory of it |
| 08:18.30 | TiTAN_pi8 | anybody can tell me how to fix this: I don't get a login prompt. I downloaded a debian rootfs for mipsel and it boots fine up to this: |
| 08:18.31 | TiTAN_pi8 | Starting periodic command scheduler: cron. |
| 08:18.31 | TiTAN_pi8 | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (none) /dev/console |
| 08:18.31 | TiTAN_pi8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.31 | TiTAN_pi8 | $ |
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| 08:18.37 | Gnea | !anybody |
| 08:18.37 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 08:18.56 | TiTAN_pi8 | oops |
| 08:19.01 | Alex_BO | caphuso, 'cause a made a program like that, and I'm curios to see how they worked, and to learn |
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| 08:22.08 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, can't you get the login? |
| 08:22.48 | TiTAN_pi8 | nope, it ends with Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (none) /dev/console |
| 08:22.48 | TiTAN_pi8 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:23.06 | TiTAN_pi8 | and then I don't get the 'login:' |
| 08:23.17 | ericP | valdyn, remaining probs seem to be a screw looes in the driver (me). I needed to $(module-assistant a-i ieee80211). the CC=gcc trick seemed to fix the probs in ipw2200-source. |
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| 08:23.40 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, and you can't use your OS, can you? |
| 08:23.46 | rutski89 | how much would you pay per month for 1GB of webspace? |
| 08:23.47 | TiTAN_pi8 | no |
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| 08:24.13 | john | how can i edit my hostname |
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| 08:24.18 | TiTAN_pi8 | well I can modify things on it using another computer. the rootfs is an usb stick |
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| 08:24.21 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, can you access to the filesystem of your debian's machine? |
| 08:24.35 | TiTAN_pi8 | Alex_BO, yes |
| 08:24.52 | ChristianP | nothing to do: restarting the PC, my dmesg says: http://pastebin.com/359566 |
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| 08:25.05 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, see if exist /dev/console, /dev/xconsole, /dev/tty* |
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| 08:25.17 | muaddib | rutski89: www.streamload.com |
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| 08:25.39 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, do they exist? |
| 08:25.40 | bomb | john: run 'hostname <new hostname>' and edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 08:25.43 | TiTAN_pi8 | Alex_BO, k, I will. but I don't think I need the /dev/tty*'s because I only access the machine throught the serial console port. |
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| 08:26.30 | TiTAN_pi8 | Alex_BO, they all exist |
| 08:27.10 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, can you access with the recory mode? |
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| 08:27.47 | TiTAN_pi8 | haven't tried |
| 08:27.52 | TiTAN_pi8 | i'll try it now |
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| 08:29.21 | TiTAN_pi8 | btw do you have any idee what this means, it's in /var/log/messages :Jan 1 00:00:40 (none) kernel: %%%% |
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| 08:29.36 | tcsetattr | it sounds like a pretty well hosed installation. |
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| 08:30.12 | TiTAN_pi8 | it's this: http://people.debian.org/~ths/chroot-tarballs/ |
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| 08:30.26 | TiTAN_pi8 | it's running on a mipsel router so these problems are normal :) |
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| 08:30.51 | moi | hi, is there a console chat where i can interactively chat with other users logged in? |
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| 08:31.17 | moi | until now, i did it through "wall". but t hat's not the best solution as you can imagine |
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| 08:31.27 | tcsetattr | moi, it's called talk. the more advanced version is ytalk |
| 08:31.44 | tcsetattr | and the variant of "wall" that gose to one specific user is "write". |
| 08:31.50 | mkl1525 | Hi, I've made a apt-get dist-upgrade but the new version of evolution-exchange is still kept back from installation - anybody knows why or what could cause this behavior? |
| 08:31.52 | moi | tcsetattr: hey cool. thanks |
| 08:31.58 | TiTAN_pi8 | Alex_BO, I can access it via maintenance |
| 08:32.07 | tcsetattr | moi, beware these are ancient tools |
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| 08:32.14 | bomb | mkl1525: just install the packages manually |
| 08:32.27 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, well, that's good |
| 08:32.42 | TiTAN_pi8 | Alex_BO, maybe it's out of memory |
| 08:32.44 | Gnea | hrm, this jumpdrive is pissing me off |
| 08:33.05 | Gnea | somehow, the mbr got zapped, so now it won't recognize the rest of the drive |
| 08:33.10 | TiTAN_pi8 | Alex_BO, i'm gonna try to remove cron and exim because i don't need them |
| 08:33.20 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, did it work yesterday? |
| 08:33.33 | TiTAN_pi8 | no |
| 08:33.36 | Gnea | i have another one, so i copied the mbr off of it, but the stick has somehow been set to read-only... wtf? |
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| 08:33.41 | TiTAN_pi8 | i just started working on it today |
| 08:33.43 | Gnea | i can't overwrite the mbr |
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| 08:33.55 | TiTAN_pi8 | and i also tried the same last week and I got the same problem |
| 08:34.13 | moi | tcsetattr: that's ok hehe ;) |
| 08:34.23 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, has it ever worked? |
| 08:34.46 | TiTAN_pi8 | no |
| 08:35.02 | TiTAN_pi8 | but it should |
| 08:35.12 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, good. have you tried to reinstall? |
| 08:35.37 | TiTAN_pi8 | it's fresh like this |
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| 08:36.12 | TiTAN_pi8 | i can't really 'install' it, it's just a rootfs i downloaded from http://people.debian.org/~ths/chroot-tarballs/ |
| 08:36.32 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, so, it's a chroot, isn't it? |
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| 08:36.45 | TiTAN_pi8 | yes |
| 08:37.02 | tcsetattr | so you can't boot any normal installation media.. but you can boot a USB flash driver? |
| 08:37.15 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, well. I haven't ever installed or used a chroot. |
| 08:37.37 | TiTAN_pi8 | Alex_BO, it's the same as a normal installation |
| 08:37.40 | mkl1525 | bomb, thanks when I tried it by hand it shows some unmet dependencies so I'll have to wait till the packages are available |
| 08:37.47 | TiTAN_pi8 | well not exactly the same |
| 08:37.51 | TiTAN_pi8 | but the same basics |
| 08:38.20 | Alex_BO | TiTAN_pi8, you can try to see what the init load and try to verify if they work |
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| 08:38.41 | TiTAN_pi8 | k, i'm gonna try to fool around some |
| 08:38.47 | TiTAN_pi8 | :p |
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| 08:45.59 | eXistenZ | hey, if I want to install basic packages, like only kde and the x environment, am I supposed to download apt-get kde-common x-window-manager ? |
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| 08:46.46 | okodele | thinking about setting up a dual-screen system. would it be a problem for debian? |
| 08:46.54 | caphuso | okodele: nope |
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| 08:47.55 | okodele | the first thing that comes to mind is xfree86. what do i need to add to the config file? |
| 08:49.12 | okodele | caphuso: you did this before? |
| 08:49.16 | TiTAN_pi8 | when I do ifup adm0 (adm0=eth0) I get 'Failed to bring up adm0' how can I find out more? |
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| 08:49.55 | caphuso | okodele: yes |
| 08:49.57 | asmodaiii | morning |
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| 08:52.14 | theD3viL | is cdfs-src for ISO imagies? |
| 08:52.33 | Vixenos | Hello |
| 08:52.40 | peterS | theD3viL: no it's for audio CDs |
| 08:52.41 | okodele | caphuso: i have a onboard intel extreme graphics that run on agp, i want to add in a savage virge/dx to a pci bus for the other screen. two cards on diff bus won't be a problem? |
| 08:52.47 | peterS | theD3viL: if it's what I think it is, anyway |
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| 08:53.29 | caphuso | there's also something with multi-session CDs |
| 08:53.30 | theD3viL | peterS, from memory, cdfs is a filesystem that `exports' all tracks and boot images on a CD as normal files. These files can then be mounted (e.g. for ISO and boot images), |
| 08:53.36 | okodele | what is this msg fr the debhelper about? |
| 08:53.43 | caphuso | accessing file foo in session 1 when there's also a file foo in session 2 or so |
| 08:53.46 | peterS | theD3viL: ah ok |
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| 08:53.59 | peterS | caphuso: apparently that's what theD3viL is talking about |
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| 08:54.00 | theD3viL | peterS, dpkg rox :) |
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| 08:54.29 | caphuso | well, for regular ISO images you don't need cdfs |
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| 08:56.46 | okodele | can anyone provide the link to read-up on dual-screen in debian? |
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| 08:56.55 | caphuso | okodele: the X documentation |
| 08:57.10 | caphuso | if you're going to use xinerama, then there's also a howto on tldp.org |
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| 08:57.55 | tonsofpcs | Anyone know of a card that I can still go to the local computer store [compusa or bestbuy] and purchase that will boot milo? [the FireGL3000 and the ATI 7000 both give the PALcode error, the machine won't boot with the ISA cards i have] |
| 08:57.57 | okodele | caphuso: which doc(s) of X doc? |
| 08:58.04 | caphuso | okodele: the X server ones |
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| 08:58.53 | caphuso | and if everything else fails, a google search for "xfree86 dual screen" will certainly be enlightening |
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| 08:59.03 | peterS | tonsofpcs: a new video card for an *alpha*? nobody here will know that answer |
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| 08:59.20 | tonsofpcs | peterS - why not? i've gotten alpha answers before |
| 08:59.29 | okodele | caphuso: besides xinerama, are there other app sw for dual-screen? |
| 08:59.36 | tonsofpcs | and new PCI vid cards will work with the alpha, the problem is milo |
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| 08:59.41 | peterS | best o' luck to ya. I don't think we're at that level in this channel though (: |
| 08:59.41 | caphuso | okodele: uh, no |
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| 09:09.42 | Fleck | Gathond alive? |
| 09:09.49 | enyc | maybe |
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| 09:10.23 | Fleck | i unpacked valknut....deb by my self and copied CONTEN - valknut works great... |
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| 09:10.41 | Vixenos | I like valknut :] |
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| 09:13.27 | okodele | Vixenos: what's valnut? |
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| 09:13.55 | Vixenos | valknut, is a direct connect client (p2p client) under linux |
| 09:14.05 | Vixenos | with simultaneous download |
| 09:14.12 | Vixenos | its a very good p2p client |
| 09:14.21 | Vixenos | the equivalent under windows is dc++ |
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| 09:14.42 | okodele | Vixenos: available a debian package for 'testing'? |
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| 09:14.45 | Vixenos | yep |
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| 09:14.57 | Vixenos | apt-get install valknut |
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| 09:15.25 | okodele | Vixenos: what would you use it for? |
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| 09:15.41 | theD3viL | tnx Vixenos |
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| 09:15.46 | theD3viL | ;) |
| 09:15.49 | Vixenos | http://perso.wanadoo.fr/philippe.lucas33//dcgui/ |
| 09:16.01 | Vixenos | no problem :] |
| 09:16.21 | Vixenos | use it to download some files, its a p2p client okodele |
| 09:16.34 | Vixenos | (excuse my poor english, I'm french) |
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| 09:17.24 | okodele | Vixenos: i have no problem with your english. what do you mean by "simultaneous download"? |
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| 09:17.50 | Vixenos | you can download a lot of files at the same time |
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| 09:18.03 | Vixenos | in direct connect protocol, you just can download 1 file |
| 09:18.10 | Vixenos | now, its illimited |
| 09:18.27 | okodele | Vixenos: how does it compare to bittorrent? |
| 09:18.38 | Vixenos | no |
| 09:18.41 | Vixenos | BUT |
| 09:19.11 | Vixenos | if you try to download in a room with a good connection , and to a user in t1 or t3, you will download a 500-600 ko/s |
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| 09:20.49 | Vixenos | okodele, the philosophy is different |
| 09:21.08 | Vixenos | in DC protocol, you have some rooms to connect, where you will find users |
| 09:21.14 | Vixenos | but you have to share some files |
| 09:21.24 | Vixenos | some rooms are accessibles with 80gb of share |
| 09:21.36 | Vixenos | but next that, you will find all the files you need |
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| 09:21.53 | Vixenos | its a community, you don't download and quit. |
| 09:22.21 | rixth | When did the spam bots die? I never noticed |
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| 09:22.40 | caphuso | they died? |
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| 09:22.52 | rixth | As in, no longer spamming |
| 09:23.07 | jethro | rixth: are you using +E ? |
| 09:23.08 | rixth | Not spamming me, anyway |
| 09:23.15 | rixth | jethro, no |
| 09:23.23 | rixth | I'll -E just in case. |
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| 09:23.37 | caphuso | also check your nickserv unfiltered setting |
| 09:23.44 | okodele | Vixenos: "you don't download and quit". does that mean you have to remain connected once you are connected? cannot even power down the machine? |
| 09:23.51 | jethro | ah yes, that's how the feature is called. I recall lilo talking about it |
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| 09:24.18 | Vixenos | no you can stop. but the philosophy is: share more and more, and you will access more and more files |
| 09:24.32 | jethro | share what? |
| 09:24.43 | jethro | pr0n? mp3? warez? |
| 09:24.58 | okodele | jethro: files, what else? |
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| 09:25.20 | okodele | most likely mp3 and even videos. |
| 09:25.30 | Vixenos | well games too ;) |
| 09:25.47 | Vixenos | like some games after their sells :] |
| 09:25.58 | Vixenos | 2 months before... |
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| 09:26.07 | jethro | that's what I assumed, and I don't see how it's related to debian. I'd even say it's off topic to pimp warez |
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| 09:26.49 | Vixenos | we just talk about a p2p client :] |
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| 09:26.51 | okodele | jethro, are we depriving anyone from participating in the chat? |
| 09:27.21 | okodele | we are talking about a debian package, so it is DEFINITELY debian. |
| 09:27.29 | caphuso | jethro: yeah, they two are walking a very fine line |
| 09:27.36 | Fleck | can i edit .deb file dependecy list? |
| 09:27.49 | Coweater | i'm curious but too any application devs who run debian do you build debs for testing or just work with a source install for testing? |
| 09:28.02 | caphuso | Fleck: rebuild after hacking debian/{control,rules,...} |
| 09:28.28 | Fleck | how do i do that? :) i didn't read anything :p |
| 09:28.38 | Fleck | just wanna quick know ;) |
| 09:28.40 | caphuso | then you should |
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| 09:28.45 | Fleck | what tools should i use |
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| 09:28.51 | caphuso | no such thing as quick for changing dependancies |
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| 09:28.57 | Fleck | ;p |
| 09:29.14 | okodele | Vixenos: you were saying "2 months before.." |
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| 09:30.07 | aum | hi - how do i convert an mpeg4 to an avi or a wmv ? |
| 09:30.07 | jethro | caphuso: talking about a p2p client is one thing, argueing that you can get proprietary software illegaly even before the software is on sale is another thing. the latter is off topic imho |
| 09:30.22 | okodele | Vixenos: how big is valnut on the disk? |
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| 09:30.31 | caphuso | jethro: not just IYHO |
| 09:31.01 | valdyn | aum: dvdrip / transcode / avidemux / whatever |
| 09:31.08 | caphuso | which means at least two people are going to stop this discussion now, or at least move it out of #debian |
| 09:31.28 | Vixenos | okodele, private |
| 09:31.33 | jethro | I must've misunderstood you then. apologies |
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| 09:32.30 | kos_tom | what's the recommended tool to create a simply debian repository ? I've tried debarchiver, but it doesn't work really well. Any alternative ? |
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| 09:32.42 | valdyn | kos_tom: dpkg-scanpackages |
| 09:33.02 | kos_tom | valdyn: I'm already using these, but I would like to have a real repository, with signed Release files, etc... |
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| 09:34.55 | okodele | caphuso: stop the threat. you sound stupid. |
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| 09:35.21 | caphuso | okodele: nice FLW |
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| 09:36.22 | valdyn | !flw |
| 09:36.23 | dpkg | well, flw34 is <Essobi> How's clustering in pgres these days? <dpkg> Essobi: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=postgres+clustering <Essobi> FUCK JOOOO <Essobi> I was asking for opinion of peers whom I would consider being knowledgable, not some tards on google. |
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| 09:37.38 | CaT[tm] | hehehe |
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| 09:43.31 | valdyn | !repository |
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| 09:43.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 09:43.44 | valdyn | kos_tom: ^^^ |
| 09:44.38 | eddyp | any idea why firefox does not allow me to insert diacritics, while all the applications in GNOME do? |
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| 09:46.11 | sward | eddyp: No idea, but if it helps, you could try Galeon instead |
| 09:46.27 | eddyp | :) |
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| 09:52.56 | ma3x | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! |
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| 09:53.01 | ma3x | why does that occur? |
| 09:53.31 | ma3x | should i install libqt3-mt-dbg? |
| 09:53.36 | twentyone | eddyp - are the diacritics just displaced? |
| 09:53.41 | valdyn | ma3x: no, some -dev package |
| 09:53.55 | streuner | ma3x: what app is that? |
| 09:53.55 | ma3x | valdyn, what exactly? |
| 09:54.14 | ma3x | streuner, valknut |
| 09:54.24 | valdyn | ma3x: libqt3-dev |
| 09:54.44 | pabs3 | ma3x: apt-get build-dep valknut |
| 09:54.50 | streuner | ma3x: what's wrong with the version of debian? |
| 09:55.12 | streuner | !info valknut |
| 09:55.21 | dpkg | valknut: (graphical client for Direct Connect), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 889 kB, Installed size: 3056 kB |
| 09:55.22 | ma3x | valdyn, The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:55.22 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.24 | eddyp | twentyone: no, not even displayed |
| 09:55.36 | ma3x | streuner, I can't install it |
| 09:55.52 | streuner | max3x: why? |
| 09:55.54 | pabs3 | ah, kde transition, yay for sid |
| 09:55.57 | valdyn | !pol ma3x |
| 09:55.59 | ma3x | im trying pabs3 suggestion now |
| 09:56.02 | valdyn | !pal ma3x |
| 09:56.04 | ma3x | valdyn, stop |
| 09:56.25 | ma3x | why are you laughing at me? |
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| 09:56.32 | wialei | caphuso: jethro: you two sons-of-bitches. I fuck you two and all your female relatives i.e. mothers, wives, sisters, nieces, cousins; all fron the front and back until they are dripping wet and you two then go alicking them dry. you two are typical twitty little kids who gets arrogant just because you have a little authority. |
| 09:56.33 | dracony | gg |
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| 09:56.51 | valdyn | ma3x: for using sid and still asking these questions |
| 09:56.51 | ma3x | ha, what wrote that guy |
| 09:57.02 | ma3x | valdyn, do you consider that normal for sid? |
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| 09:57.20 | me_here | why does the /dev/dsp device not get created when i load my soundmodule ? |
| 09:57.22 | valdyn | ma3x: yea, its called unstable, it IS unstable, see /topic, see /msg dpkg sid |
| 09:57.34 | ma3x | valdyn, well it doesn't mean you can't make it work |
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| 09:57.54 | salamandra | kalispera kosme |
| 09:58.00 | ma3x | now i still get valknut: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) but it is not installable |
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| 09:58.31 | ma3x | Package libqt3c102-mt has no installation candidate However the following packages replace it: libqt3-mt |
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| 09:58.34 | ma3x | doh |
| 09:58.36 | salamandra | mporei na m pei kapios gia mia aporia .. se poio grafeio pao ? |
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| 09:58.40 | ma3x | its really unstable |
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| 09:59.07 | pabs3 | ma3x: sid is going through an abi transition atm, one of the affected package groups is qt/kde |
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| 09:59.24 | jmmv | hi |
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| 09:59.43 | ma3x | pabs3, mean abi, and how long will this transition take? |
| 09:59.49 | streuner | long |
| 09:59.54 | ma3x | how long? |
| 09:59.56 | pabs3 | (abi transition=all c++ packages need rebuilding) |
| 09:59.57 | ma3x | 1year? |
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| 10:00.34 | pabs3 | ma3x: till all the packages on here are done: http://people.debian.org/~mfurr/gxx/ |
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| 10:00.55 | ericP | valdyn, for posterity's sake, my estimates of success with ipw2200 were exagerated |
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| 10:01.03 | jmmv | I wonder... has anybody tried to use a recent netinst testing cd on a powerpc? it seems completely unusable :( |
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| 10:01.22 | ma3x | pabs3, thanks for the link |
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| 10:02.26 | ericP | has anyone here build an ipw2200 for 2.6.11-1-686? |
| 10:02.33 | theD3viL- | valdyn, you are the master =) so .. what is better .. kde or gnome? (i know .. i must tried both etc.) but.. i ask you which are faster, better (for you) and so on |
| 10:02.43 | ericP | i'll give you a dollar (if that's still worth anything) |
| 10:03.06 | valdyn | !best |
| 10:03.06 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 10:03.17 | valdyn | theD3viL-: i dont use kde personally |
| 10:03.31 | valdyn | theD3viL-: none of both is "better" for everyone |
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| 10:04.04 | theD3viL- | valdyn, i know... but what is different...is app opens faster / slower ....etc? |
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| 10:04.51 | ma3x | so is there really no way to install this valknut? |
| 10:04.58 | valdyn | theD3viL-: quite similar really, till you mix apps from both, where starting a gnome app in kde will be very slow first, and vice versa |
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| 10:05.27 | positrix | i have forgotten my root password, but i have sudo. how can i reset it? |
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| 10:05.40 | theD3viL- | valdyn, thats why you using icewm or what ? |
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| 10:06.20 | valdyn | theD3viL-: i use gnome, mostly b/c firefox fits into that and i dont like the looks of konqueror |
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| 10:07.38 | theD3viL- | valdyn, aha..b/c? |
| 10:07.44 | pabs3 | ma3x: looks like you need to apt-get update, libqt3-headers installs fine here |
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| 10:07.53 | valdyn | theD3viL-: b/c of personal taste |
| 10:08.29 | theD3viL- | valdyn, aha...k, tnx .. |
| 10:08.53 | valdyn | theD3viL-: i dont use many GUI features, so im not concerned about all of kdes features or even gnomes |
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| 10:09.41 | theD3viL- | valdyn, sry for my english.. but .. what? you disabled some actions in gnome or what? |
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| 10:10.24 | valdyn | theD3viL-: i dont use stuff coming with gnome, i run firefox and things that run in terminals, so whatever features a DE might have, i dont care or use those. |
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| 10:10.57 | Vixenos | I'va got a question :] |
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| 10:11.50 | theD3viL- | valdyn, aha =)=) .. yes... i use about 4 programms too .. and for others... =) |
| 10:12.00 | Vixenos | If I want to install ATI's driver, I have to install the kernel source code that corresponds to my running kernel. But, i'm on 2.6.12-1-686 and there is not kernel-source for it |
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| 10:12.42 | pabs3 | Vixenos: install the -headers package |
| 10:13.05 | Vixenos | there is not present |
| 10:13.27 | Vixenos | opops |
| 10:13.28 | Vixenos | oops* |
| 10:13.44 | dracony | GENTOO RULEEEESSSS |
| 10:13.47 | dracony | exiot |
| 10:13.53 | chrisq | ehehe |
| 10:13.55 | Vixenos | I have to open my eyes (>_<) |
| 10:14.04 | theD3viL- | lol:> |
| 10:14.05 | chrisq | typical gentoo users |
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| 10:15.01 | Vixenos | pabs3, for example, i havn't got a kernel-headers in -1-686 but I've got a linux-headers in -1-686 |
| 10:15.04 | theD3viL- | valdyn, gnome is for default in debian right ? |
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| 10:15.45 | pabs3 | Vixenos: linux kernel stuff changed from kernel-* recently to linux-* |
| 10:15.56 | pabs3 | linux isn't the only debian kernel |
| 10:15.58 | Vixenos | ah ok thx :) |
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| 10:17.21 | me_here | why can i not install alsa-utils without deinstalling hal and udev ? |
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| 10:19.00 | Vixenos | how to recompile my kernel without the -1-686 ? |
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| 10:19.41 | Vixenos | me_here, try with no dependencies when you install alsa-utils |
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| 10:19.50 | me_here | make-kpkg -revision bla --appen-to-version (or something like that) bla |
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| 10:20.00 | Vixenos | he |
| 10:20.02 | Vixenos | i try it |
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| 10:20.12 | Vixenos | make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-686" --revision 2.6.12 --config old configure |
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| 10:20.27 | Vixenos | I see the error ;) |
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| 10:20.52 | me_here | i don't :) |
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| 10:21.53 | Vixenos | hum |
| 10:21.59 | fken | hello. Is there any report about famd in debian etch or unstable ? |
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| 10:22.44 | fred87 | anyone any ideas why a jigdo file could be huge? (eg 40MB or so) for an iso i've made? |
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| 10:22.56 | CaT[tm] | you know... i've not used anything that seems to require it. (famd that is) |
| 10:23.01 | fken | sometimes my computer cpu usage is up to 80% |
| 10:23.02 | valdyn | Vixenos: you dont need the kernel source, you need kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 10:23.44 | Vixenos | valdyn, i've just dl the linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 for my running kernel 2.6.12-1-686 |
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| 10:24.09 | fken | Vixenos>are you using etch or sid ? |
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| 10:24.22 | pabs3 | fken: did you see if there are any open bug reports about it? http://bugs.debian.org/fam |
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| 10:24.45 | fken | pabs3>no sorry but i didnt know this link |
| 10:24.47 | Vixenos | fken, Sid |
| 10:24.52 | borisz | exit |
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| 10:25.27 | fken | Vixenos>if only the 2.6.12 were on the etch... |
| 10:25.34 | Vixenos | when i dl the linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686, its dl -1 and -1-686 version |
| 10:25.40 | Vixenos | fken, yes :/ |
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| 10:26.36 | fken | pabs3>is famd required to mount anything ??? |
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| 10:27.30 | pabs3 | not afaik, I thought it was only for monitoring when files get modified, renamed, deleted, etc |
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| 10:28.31 | fken | pabs3>so does anyone have a cpu usage very high because of famd here? |
| 10:28.44 | mike_ | hi, im just wondering if there is an i2p package for debian. Is there such thing? |
| 10:28.49 | Vixenos | fken, there is a solution for me ? |
| 10:29.15 | fken | Vixenos> ? |
| 10:29.17 | ma3x | i have a question about the netinstall: can i install ndiswrapper, after the basic installation is complete and before the package installation begins? |
| 10:29.31 | valdyn | Vixenos: whats your problem? you have your headers, so install ati drivers.. |
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| 10:29.48 | Vixenos | valdyn, i must have the same kernel to compile |
| 10:29.58 | valdyn | Vixenos: why compile a kernel at all? |
| 10:30.02 | fken | Vixenos>i dunno whats your problem I came after you gave it to the community |
| 10:30.08 | Vixenos | hum for the -1-686 suffix ? |
| 10:30.09 | valdyn | Vixenos: you only need the headers to compile ati drivers |
| 10:30.19 | Vixenos | http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html <-- so? |
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| 10:30.55 | lars___F | Hello every user can browse / on my pure-ftpd server. How do i make a userjail to there homedir? |
| 10:31.04 | valdyn | Vixenos: According to the release notes, this version doesn't require the full kernel sources any more: the kernel-headers packages should suffice |
| 10:31.17 | Vixenos | ok |
| 10:31.22 | Vixenos | I test now, thx |
| 10:31.43 | ma3x | can anybody answer to my question please? very important |
| 10:31.48 | ma3x | im trying to install stable now |
| 10:32.00 | caphuso | lars___F: search the docs for "chroot" |
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| 10:32.39 | lars___F | caphuso: aint there a option like in proftpd ala Defaultroot ~ |
| 10:32.40 | fken | ma3x>each time i install Debian I download the complete first full cd |
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| 10:32.49 | ma3x | fken, how many MBytes? |
| 10:32.49 | mike_ | does anyone know if there is a package for i2p in debian? |
| 10:32.57 | fken | ma3x>650Mb |
| 10:33.02 | caphuso | lars___F: i think it's a command line option, but it's been a while that i looked at pure-ftpd |
| 10:33.04 | ma3x | oh |
| 10:33.08 | fken | ma3x>then change your sources |
| 10:33.31 | fken | ma3x>what kind of connection have you ? |
| 10:34.30 | fken | ma3x> rooter ? usb modem ? pppoe RJ45 modem ? |
| 10:34.37 | ma3x | fken, wlan with ndiswrapper loadable only |
| 10:34.53 | Vixenos | valdyn, ok. i've jut dpkg -i the fglrx.deb =] |
| 10:34.57 | ma3x | fken, that's why im asking if i can install ndiswrapper after the debian basic installation |
| 10:35.13 | ma3x | that means, will i be able to get to the bash promt, and type dpkg -i ndiswrapper.... |
| 10:35.26 | ma3x | i will put the packages on floppy |
| 10:35.34 | ma3x | but i dunno if i'll be able to install them |
| 10:35.35 | fken | is it the name of the pacquage ? |
| 10:35.42 | ma3x | what do you mean ? |
| 10:35.56 | ma3x | ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 10:36.07 | Vixenos | but I don"t know what to do now... |
| 10:36.09 | fken | ok ty |
| 10:36.13 | ma3x | i mean the second one , will be for stable version |
| 10:36.19 | pingouin | having a .xsession or .xinitrc in /home/my_user/ is the same ? |
| 10:36.34 | fken | architecture? |
| 10:36.34 | ma3x | so prolly something like 2.6.8-2-i686 |
| 10:36.40 | ma3x | i686 |
| 10:36.41 | fken | ok |
| 10:37.22 | fken | . |
| 10:37.22 | fken | <ma3x> |
| 10:37.29 | fken | im verifying |
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| 10:38.10 | ma3x | haha, let's see the result of your verification |
| 10:38.40 | eddyp | "Could not find mime type appliucation/octet-stream" after upgrade... what does this mean? |
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| 10:39.15 | A_LEX | speak spanish ?? |
| 10:39.50 | azeem | A_LEX: #debian-es |
| 10:39.55 | A_LEX | thk |
| 10:39.57 | cahoot | pingouin: I have one of those a symlink to the other |
| 10:39.58 | eddyp | "no mime types installed" |
| 10:40.05 | fken | ma3x>I dont find any ndiswrapper manually I try to search with konqueror |
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| 10:40.19 | ma3x | fken, dont bother, you wont find anything useful |
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| 10:40.56 | fken | there is no paquage called ndis* |
| 10:41.02 | fken | on the first cd |
| 10:41.17 | Maulkin | fken: ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net |
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| 10:41.34 | pingouin | cahoot: i just ask because i used to startx (flwm) and have .xinitrc in my home, try another desktop for girlfriend on my computer, so..i run the xfce4_setup script, everything works great, but..create a .xsession in /home/girlfriend , i just wonder why .xsession and not .xinitrc |
| 10:41.39 | fken | lol during an installation its risky |
| 10:41.57 | Maulkin | fken: or 'apt-cache search ndis' |
| 10:41.57 | pingouin | cahoot: not a big deal..but i'm sure i'm gonna have bad sleep tonight if i dont have an answer ;) |
| 10:42.00 | ma3x | the whole question is |
| 10:42.08 | geemark | any clue what is wrong with my debian box? I can't seem to get the local IP - neither when starting apache2 or when trying to use getLocalHost() from java.... it works on my other two debian boxes :S |
| 10:42.16 | ma3x | after the basic install. from the netinst cd, do you have dpkg or not? |
| 10:42.23 | fken | Maulkin>he want to install debian he require this paquage to works |
| 10:42.32 | cahoot | pingouin: my understanding is .xinitrc is used by startx - the other by *dm |
| 10:42.39 | Maulkin | geemark: Is there anything in /etc/hosts ? |
| 10:43.02 | pingouin | cahoot: i lauch also xfce4 with startx |
| 10:43.21 | pingouin | cahoot: i dont use any dm |
| 10:43.29 | pingouin | cahoot: pouah dm ;) |
| 10:43.31 | caphuso | pingouin: because .xsession is the preferred one nowadays |
| 10:43.32 | fken | ma3x>try to look for the name of the cd which contain your paquage |
| 10:43.35 | Geekje | Woa.. I get the weirdest errors, when I try to install Sarge(26) |
| 10:43.39 | ma3x | fken, okay |
| 10:43.43 | ma3x | thanks anyway |
| 10:43.49 | pingouin | caphuso: ah ok..i'm not up to date ? ;) that's it ? ;) |
| 10:43.51 | fken | ma3x>sorry |
| 10:43.52 | geemark | Maulkin, yes there is the "127.0.0.1 localhost" and "10.0.0.2 myhostname" |
| 10:43.55 | Maulkin | fken: ahh, ok :) |
| 10:44.12 | fken | Maulkin>dont worry... poor guy he is gone... |
| 10:44.18 | pingouin | caphuso: i still use .xinitrc as old stupid guy ;) |
| 10:44.38 | fken | see ya everyone ! I have a famd to kill ! :P |
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| 10:44.44 | caphuso | pingouin: it doesn't matter as long as you're only using startx |
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| 10:44.57 | Maulkin | geemark: not sure then I'm afraid |
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| 10:45.13 | geemark | :( |
| 10:45.19 | pingouin | caphuso: yep, i only launch X with starx, so that's ok thanks for the explain, thank for care also cahoot |
| 10:45.39 | pingouin | caphuso: i can sleep tonight |
| 10:45.41 | pingouin | :) |
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| 10:45.47 | pingouin | i hate computers |
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| 10:46.13 | pingouin | !lart me |
| 10:47.53 | lars___F | Hello every user can browse / on my pure-ftpd server. How do i make a soo the user only can browse their own homedir |
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| 10:48.56 | pingouin | lars___F: i dont use it, but i'm sure there is an directive in .configuration file to avoid browsing / |
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| 10:49.26 | pingouin | lars___F: nothing in exemple file given with it ? or classic config file ? |
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| 10:51.32 | mr_blue | hi all |
| 10:52.11 | pingouin | mr_blue: putaing cong ? ;) |
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| 10:52.49 | mr_blue | why do i need to chmod a+rw /dev/dsp and /dev/rtc each time i reboot my debian box ??? how to set those permision (rw) to both devices ? |
| 10:52.54 | mr_blue | hi pingouin :) |
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| 10:53.23 | pingouin | mr_blue: did you try in root, to adduser toto audio |
| 10:53.27 | mike_ | does anyone use azureus with i2p here? |
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| 10:53.55 | pingouin | mr_blue: i dont remember for /dev/rtc what the group is... |
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| 10:54.12 | mr_blue | audio |
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| 10:54.28 | sward | mr_blue: If you have udev or devfs creating devices you'll need to tell them to create devices with certain permissions |
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| 10:54.51 | mr_blue | sward, oki but how to do that ? |
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| 10:55.17 | sward | mr_blue: There's the catch, I have no idea :) |
| 10:55.30 | TiTAN_pi8 | anyone that can tell me why I get this when install fileutils (using dpkg) install-info: failed to lock dir for editing! No such file or directory |
| 10:55.55 | mr_blue | sward, how to know if i use devfs or udev ? |
| 10:56.01 | sward | mr_blue: Check /etc/udev/permissions.rules, that seems like an obvious place |
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| 10:56.27 | sward | mr_blue: dpkg -l udev |
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| 10:57.42 | mr_blue | hmm ok thx sward |
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| 10:59.05 | Skaag | is it possible i wouldn't have glibc on a newly installed debian? |
| 10:59.39 | mr_blue | sward, in the permissions.rules you mentionned i do not find the dsp device. Do i have to add it ? |
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| 11:00.00 | Skaag | When this guide i'm reading says "You may need this to be 3.0 if the installer complains that it needs glibc 2.2.4 or greater." what package is it referring to? |
| 11:00.11 | eXistenZ | hello, where can I check my kernel's configurations? |
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| 11:00.24 | Skaag | eXistenZ: is it a debian supplied kernel? |
| 11:00.33 | eXistenZ | yeppers |
| 11:00.35 | sward | Skaag: doubtful, check with: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 11:00.35 | azeem | eXistenZ: /boot/config-* I think |
| 11:00.37 | Skaag | eXistenZ: it will have a config file in /boot |
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| 11:00.47 | Skaag | sward: so i means libc6? |
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| 11:01.17 | sward | libc6 == GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone :) |
| 11:01.23 | eXistenZ | Skaag: what if I want to change a few options in the kernel, do I have to re-compile it holistically? |
| 11:01.27 | sward | Skaag: yes |
| 11:01.32 | Skaag | eXistenZ: yes |
| 11:01.37 | Skaag | sward: thanks man |
| 11:01.41 | sward | mr_blue: Sorry, I don't know |
| 11:01.56 | Skaag | eXistenZ: but it's quite simple, you take that existing config, you stick it in a debian kernel source, and you use make-kpkg |
| 11:02.12 | Skaag | eXistenZ: Of course you fire up make menuconfig to change options |
| 11:02.27 | Skaag | eXistenZ: but what do you need to do? it usually comes all options as modules |
| 11:02.32 | Skaag | with |
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| 11:02.54 | eXistenZ | Skaag: I'm trying to install the ATI Linux driver packages |
| 11:02.59 | eXistenZ | I think it needs DRM to be disabled |
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| 11:03.10 | mr_blue | sward, no problem but thx |
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| 11:03.29 | eXistenZ | and DRM is enabled here: CONFIG_DRM=y |
| 11:03.36 | Skaag | Ah. |
| 11:03.40 | legba7 | Ah. |
| 11:03.43 | Skaag | Ok so in that case, download the kernel source |
| 11:03.49 | eXistenZ | I did |
| 11:03.56 | Skaag | copy your config from /boot/config-* to /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 11:04.02 | Skaag | don't forget make oldconfig |
| 11:04.05 | eXistenZ | cp /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 .config |
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| 11:04.28 | Skaag | install make-kpkg |
| 11:04.34 | Skaag | and build-essential |
| 11:04.50 | Bishoman | kernel? |
| 11:04.54 | eXistenZ | yep, they are installed =] |
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| 11:05.03 | Skaag | eXistenZ: so what's the problem you are facing now? |
| 11:05.12 | Bishoman | isnt it just simpler, and better to download it from ftp.kernel.org and compile it? |
| 11:05.39 | Bishoman | I allways get troubles, when using dpkg for kernel stuff |
| 11:05.50 | Skaag | I never get trouble |
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| 11:05.54 | sward | Bishoman: Not when it's packaged really nicely for the distribution :) |
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| 11:06.09 | Bishoman | true ^^ |
| 11:06.13 | Skaag | and contains all the debian patches |
| 11:06.25 | Skaag | eXistenZ: join #dump |
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| 11:06.45 | Bishoman | Hrmpf, Skaag.. when you're finished.. ^^; I could use some help? |
| 11:06.50 | Bishoman | heh.. |
| 11:06.59 | Skaag | with what? |
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| 11:07.21 | Bishoman | installing debian... |
| 11:07.27 | Bishoman | bbl |
| 11:07.48 | Vixenos | fgl_glxgears |
| 11:07.48 | Vixenos | X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 11:07.48 | Vixenos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:08.20 | Vixenos | and now, if I want to install amarok, there is errors of dependencies with xlibmesa-gl ........ |
| 11:08.34 | Skaag | Bishoman: it's very simple isn't it? (to install debian) |
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| 11:09.01 | Dracka | Yeah, debian install is too easy imho :p |
| 11:09.30 | Vixenos | Skaag, Its more simple than slackware install |
| 11:09.40 | Vixenos | and the net install is very friendly ;) |
| 11:09.41 | Skaag | for sure |
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| 11:09.51 | Skaag | yah just last night I installed it with netinstall via PXE |
| 11:09.54 | Skaag | on 4 blade servers |
| 11:10.01 | Skaag | beautiful |
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| 11:10.14 | Vixenos | but |
| 11:10.19 | Vixenos | since i have a ATI |
| 11:10.27 | Vixenos | i never see the driver work :) |
| 11:10.47 | marcos | como é ? |
| 11:10.47 | Skaag | I don't know why people buy such a card, I bought one and I have problems with it even in Windows |
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| 11:10.53 | sward | Some people disagree, but I think if the current bandwagon that is Ubuntu can use a (slightly modified) debian-installer, it's fine :) |
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| 11:11.12 | Skaag | sward: true |
| 11:11.20 | Skaag | brb |
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| 11:12.46 | Dracka | One simple thing I've yet again forgot.. How did I define a port range? like 1:1000? :P |
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| 11:14.28 | eXistenZ | how can I unset CONFIG_FB in the kernel options? |
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| 11:15.04 | Mugsy_ | I cant find my kernel, help |
| 11:15.05 | Mugsy_ | kernel-source-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 11:15.28 | caphuso | Mugsy_: try /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27-2-386.tar.gz |
| 11:15.28 | Dracka | what do you mean? |
| 11:15.30 | Mugsy_ | Its no where, its the latest kernel released, its in Sarge |
| 11:15.31 | caphuso | or something like that |
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| 11:15.42 | Mugsy_ | caphuso, I got the net install, it didn't come with it |
| 11:15.49 | caphuso | Mugsy_: well, then you need to install it |
| 11:15.58 | Mugsy_ | I know I do, I cant find it anywhere |
| 11:16.16 | Mugsy_ | I've spent the whole night looking for it, its 7:15 am |
| 11:16.40 | eXistenZ | what is the CONFIG_FB option ithe configurations tree? |
| 11:16.56 | caphuso | Mugsy_: try 'apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27' |
| 11:17.04 | cahoot | eXistenZ: hit / in menuconfig (top level) and search |
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| 11:17.59 | Mugsy_ | caphuso, I did |
| 11:18.21 | caphuso | Mugsy_: then do "ls /usr/src/" and look for kernel-source* |
| 11:18.24 | eXistenZ | cool |
| 11:18.37 | Bishoman | oh yes, it is Skaag |
| 11:18.41 | Bishoman | but I get the weirdest errors |
| 11:18.46 | Mugsy_ | I already installed one kernel there, not the right one, its not on my computer |
| 11:18.56 | Mugsy_ | I did, find / | grep kernel-source |
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| 11:19.12 | sward | Mugsy_: 'dpkg -L name-of-package' will tell you what files are in a package |
| 11:19.13 | Mugsy_ | I added like a billion servers to sources.list |
| 11:19.13 | eXistenZ | cahoot: it doesn't work =/ |
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| 11:19.52 | Mugsy_ | sward: No, I did that to search to see if I had it |
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| 11:21.09 | caphuso | Mugsy_: none of the commands you've been told to do returned anything you might want to tell us about? |
| 11:21.18 | sward | Mugsy_: You can't find the actual package? |
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| 11:21.43 | cahoot | eXistenZ: then just search for fb and work it out from there |
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| 11:22.07 | Mugsy_ | Wait, I think I just need the kernel-headers |
| 11:22.22 | caphuso | apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 11:22.22 | eXistenZ | cahoot: I pressed / but it doesn't show any search form |
| 11:22.38 | Mugsy_ | DOnt worry, I got it, thanks for the help |
| 11:22.56 | sward | eXistenZ: Try CONFIG_FB sounds very much like something to do with the *F*rame*B*uffer |
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| 11:25.03 | Sub-Zero0 | Ok, someone here can help me with a gpg compress issue? |
| 11:25.31 | beardy | Sub-Zero0: Someone perhaps can, if you ask your question. |
| 11:25.37 | Dracka | !tell Sub-Zero0 about ask |
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| 11:26.42 | mkl1525 | I have some messages in my exim mail queue that are marked as frozen, is there a way to unfreeze alle messages at once? |
| 11:27.08 | azeem | I try 'sendmail -v -qff' or something usually |
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| 11:27.12 | Zugschlus | mkl1525: exim -qff, which will try a delivery for _all_ messages on the queue, unfreezing frozen ones in the process |
| 11:27.27 | mkl1525 | Zugschlus, thanks for the help |
| 11:27.29 | Zugschlus | mkl1525: alternatively, try exipick in conjunction with xargs exim -M |
| 11:27.48 | Sub-Zero0 | There is a file, let's call it file.me. It contains many compressed files, and file.me is encrypted now. So I decrypt file.me using gpg, but gpg doesn't decompress into multiple files, instead it justs decrypts and decompress all files into just one. I want it to decompress the files to their original state, before being turned to file.me |
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| 11:28.52 | Ekaterin | Could I have a little help getting aliases working in exim4? |
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| 11:29.17 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: what's the issue? |
| 11:30.22 | Ekaterin | Email to aliases seems to be getting bounced, and outgoing email doesn't appear to come from the "official name". |
| 11:30.38 | Ekaterin | It might help if I could tell it to look at the NIS map mail.aliases. |
| 11:31.17 | Zugschlus | exim4 by default only handles /etc/aliases for incoming mail and /etc/email-addresses for outgoing mail |
| 11:31.23 | Zugschlus | for NIS, you have to do your own configuration |
| 11:31.34 | Sub-Zero0 | No one? |
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| 11:33.05 | Sub-Zero0 | file1, file2 and file3 are all in gpgfile. How I decrypt gpgfile to make gpg write file1, file2 and file3 again? |
| 11:33.22 | eXistenZ | cahoot: how does that search work, I still didn't find it =/ |
| 11:33.57 | Dracka | Sub-Zero0, try other channels if it looks like you're not getting help in here just now :) |
| 11:34.06 | caphuso | Sub-Zero0: --multi-file doesn't help? |
| 11:34.23 | faked | eXistenZ: what do you want to find? |
| 11:34.27 | cahoot | eXistenZ: works as I told you (at least for 2.6 kernels) - hit '/' in menuconfig - top leve preferred |
| 11:34.27 | Sub-Zero0 | ah... never heard of that |
| 11:35.08 | eXistenZ | faked: the menu for CONFIG_FB |
| 11:35.20 | Sub-Zero0 | caphuso that option exists? |
| 11:35.39 | caphuso | Sub-Zero0: ah, sorry, it is --multifile |
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| 11:35.52 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: OK, I have an /etc/email-addresses file, automatically generated by some ancient scripts. Could the trouble be that it has lines like "eva E.R.Myers" rather than "eva E.R.Myers@statslab.cam.ac.uk"? |
| 11:36.03 | Sub-Zero0 | hmm |
| 11:37.06 | Zugschlus | http://paste.debian.net/1860 has the contents of a default email-addresses file. It should hold docs about how to use it |
| 11:37.21 | faked | eXistenZ: device-drivers->Graphics Support->*Support for frame buffer devices |
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| 11:38.20 | eXistenZ | faked: thank you so much |
| 11:38.51 | faked | eXistenZ: np |
| 11:39.00 | Dracka | How can I see if the firewall actually blocks the ports I defined? |
| 11:39.23 | faked | Dracka: you can log with iptables |
| 11:39.50 | Dracka | I use shorewall to control iptables, is it possible with it? |
| 11:39.57 | faked | Dracka: or you can test with nmap |
| 11:40.02 | Dracka | ok |
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| 11:41.47 | sward | Dracka: shorewall logs by default, check /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf for options |
| 11:42.06 | Dracka | sward, but I guess I have to get something "trying" to connect those ports? |
| 11:42.08 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: Is /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template one of the files that I should edit to reconfigure things? |
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| 11:42.19 | sward | Dracka: of course :) |
| 11:42.35 | Dracka | sward, that's the problem, I want something to try to connect those ports and see are they blocked |
| 11:42.36 | Dracka | :) |
| 11:42.43 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: if you have chosen the default of non-split config, yes. |
| 11:42.57 | drac | I'm just here to mess with some tab-completions. ;-) |
| 11:42.59 | sward | Dracka: As faked said, nmap can do that for you, or you can simply try connecting with telnet |
| 11:43.02 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: you might want to read /usr/shade/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 11:43.05 | Dracka | Im really newbie in networking, only made some simple firewall tables with iptables, now trying to set up a router etc |
| 11:43.10 | Dracka | sward, ok |
| 11:43.19 | cahoot | Dracka: google for portscan online |
| 11:43.28 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: Yes, I found that file. I'm afraid that exim4 looks far more complicated than exim3. |
| 11:43.39 | Dracka | well I just got nmap installed gonna test it, thanks cahoot |
| 11:43.43 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: is only is different |
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| 11:43.53 | sward | drac: I noticed >:| |
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| 11:44.12 | cahoot | Dracka: nmap would hardly help from 'inside' |
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| 11:45.27 | Dracka | cahoot, oh, well ok |
| 11:45.36 | Dracka | I just noticed that, all ports not used are blocked inside |
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| 11:47.20 | nvz | http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html "If you want to play with a piece of windows software that makes you click all over the place, there's always minesweeper" in response to software firewalls :) |
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| 11:47.31 | Dracka | cahoot, looks like that I can't find any portscans online where I can define ip to portscan |
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| 11:48.01 | robin_sz | so ... quick qwestion .. is there a particular reason Mambo hasn;t made it into debian? |
| 11:48.02 | cahoot | Dracka: try grc.com (shields up) |
| 11:48.14 | Dracka | ok, thanks |
| 11:48.26 | nvz | you can always have someone do it for you.. heh |
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| 11:48.59 | cahoot | nvz: rest assured someone will |
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| 11:49.38 | Dracka | the scans just say that I have no services running but doesn't tell is it open? (Something I don't understand?) |
| 11:49.41 | eXistenZ | am I supposed to restart my box after I got my kernel recompiled? |
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| 11:50.06 | nvz | eXistenZ: if you plan on using the new kernel |
| 11:50.14 | nvz | eXistenZ: you should probably install it first though |
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| 11:50.57 | Dracka | well nvz, would you like to scan a port |
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| 11:51.43 | robin_sz | ugh ... X just shat itself ... so where was I .. Oh Yes, is there a particular reason Mambo hasn;t made it into debian? |
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| 11:52.30 | Dracka | port in the ip I give you :p |
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| 11:52.43 | petykoo | how could i insert a line-breaker into a oo.o spreadsheet field ? |
| 11:52.46 | pabs3 | robin_sz: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/web/mambo |
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| 11:53.33 | robin_sz | pabs3: oh, OK, fair enough .. im tracking Sarge ... but yeah, it getting there. |
| 11:54.19 | robin_sz | secondly, can we introduce a death penalty for these fscking spambots? |
| 11:54.57 | pabs3 | robin_sz: sarge is released, so you'll have wait till backports.org is ready for sarge packages for it to get into sarge. also, I saw that someone is packaging the new mambo - joomla or whateva it is, see bugs.debian.org/wnpp |
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| 11:55.04 | abrotman | nvz: that's not funny |
| 11:55.39 | nvz | abrotman: shuddup :P *tosses the allegheny whitefish at abrotman* |
| 11:55.42 | sward | robin_sz: Have you set mode +E ? |
| 11:55.44 | beardy | robin_sz: No, they don't deserve a trial, kill as many as you can right now. |
| 11:55.52 | abrotman | !phillysmite nvz |
| 11:56.20 | robin_sz | beardy: that last one is the subject of nessus testing right now ;) |
| 11:56.51 | robin_sz | sward: nope, but I might do it now |
| 11:56.56 | abrotman | sanxiyn: did you find ISO1337 ? |
| 11:57.06 | beardy | robin_sz: /topic, I haven't been troubled by any of them for some time now. |
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| 11:57.51 | nvz | you dont want anything out of the Ohia bein thrown at you, much less an allegheny whitefish |
| 11:57.52 | sanxiyn | abrotman: No, it's my first time hearing that. |
| 11:58.06 | Mugsy_ | How do I change my color to 24 bit in KDE |
| 11:58.08 | sward | They may eventually get bored and go and find some other network to bother, eventually |
| 11:58.15 | abrotman | sanxiyn: it was a joke .. look at the number again |
| 11:58.19 | beardy | !drxx Mugsy_ |
| 11:58.19 | dpkg | Mugsy_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:58.25 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Ha. |
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| 11:59.08 | sanxiyn | abrotman: 3103 is a standard to brew teas. |
| 11:59.15 | Mugsy_ | !xmd5 |
| 11:59.16 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 11:59.16 | nvz | wtf |
| 11:59.24 | abrotman | sanxiyn: ah ok |
| 11:59.46 | sanxiyn | (Hitchhiker reference notwithstanding, it's real.) |
| 11:59.57 | beardy | Mugsy_: You can also '/msg dpkg something'. |
| 12:00.02 | sanxiyn | "The method consists in extracting of soluble substances in dried tea leaf, containing in a porcelain or earthenware pot, by means of freshly boiling water, pouring of the liquor into a white porcelain or earthenware bowl, examination of the organoleptic properties of the infused leaf, and of the liquor with or without milk or both." |
| 12:01.00 | cbr | HAPPY SOFTWARE FREEDOM DAY!! |
| 12:01.01 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 12:01.01 | dpkg | please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
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| 12:01.31 | abrotman | cbr: aye ... crappy day .. like valentine's day .. do we really need a special day to remind us that software should be free? |
| 12:01.42 | Mugsy_ | Well I dont know how to configure the color, I dont want to redo my XF86Config file |
| 12:01.54 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Some seems to need it... |
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| 12:02.00 | cbr | abrotman: maybe we should have Software Freedom cards too? |
| 12:02.07 | cbr | damn |
| 12:02.09 | cbr | sry |
| 12:02.16 | cbr | my screen was scrolled up |
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| 12:03.12 | orchid | happy sfd cbr |
| 12:03.24 | sanxiyn | dpkg, sry is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY |
| 12:03.24 | dpkg | okay, sanxiyn |
| 12:03.25 | cbr | you too orchid |
| 12:03.58 | cbr | sanxiyn: let me freely bastardize the english language, kthx |
| 12:04.03 | cbr | ;D |
| 12:04.08 | mangedir | Hello every user can browse / on my pure-ftpd server. How do i make a soo the user only can browse their own homedir |
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| 12:04.34 | pureone | man pure-ftpd |
| 12:04.36 | Mugsy_ | Okay how do I change my color to 24 bit |
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| 12:04.48 | sanxiyn | mangedir: Check /usr/share/doc/<package name>. |
| 12:04.49 | chrisq | mangedir: -j |
| 12:04.57 | abrotman | Mugsy_: it should ask you |
| 12:05.04 | Mugsy_ | What should |
| 12:05.05 | pureone | less /etc/default/pure-ftpd |
| 12:05.18 | Mugsy_ | How do I check my color then |
| 12:05.22 | chrisq | mangedir: its called chrooting or jailing, change the config file |
| 12:05.36 | orchid | Mugsy_: grep your config file |
| 12:05.53 | Mugsy_ | Well I opened my config file, but I dont know how to check |
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| 12:06.49 | mangedir | chrisq: i put -j in the startup.. Didnt help |
| 12:06.49 | orchid | Mugsy_: grep -i depth /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:07.18 | Mugsy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.18 | Mugsy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.18 | Mugsy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.21 | Mugsy_ | ect |
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| 12:07.48 | Mugsy_ | It just shows it like that |
| 12:07.56 | Mugsy_ | Should I make it so there is only 1 depth? |
| 12:08.03 | orchid | Mugsy_: grep -i DefaultDepth /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 12:08.21 | Mugsy_ | Nothing |
| 12:08.37 | Mugsy_ | Should I add it? |
| 12:08.48 | Cym | well.. i figured out what broke udev in sid. Its the new bash 3.0-15. |
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| 12:09.13 | groton | hello all |
| 12:09.21 | pureone | managedir it says it in man pure-ftpd |
| 12:09.35 | orchid | Mugsy_: sure, google DefaultDepth xf86config-4, I'm sure you will see tons of examples |
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| 12:10.01 | groton | how to know which number of CD into the CD set of iso images contains the kernel source packages? |
| 12:10.04 | mangedir | chrisq: ? |
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| 12:10.18 | sanxiyn | sward: Many are idle... |
| 12:10.19 | pureone | k ignore me then |
| 12:10.34 | chrisq | mangedir: its pretty obvious in the config file |
| 12:10.57 | mangedir | chrisq: i dont have a overall config file after installing pure-ftpd-mysql... Only the mysql config file. |
| 12:11.04 | sanxiyn | groton: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php |
| 12:11.11 | chrisq | mangedir: you need both |
| 12:11.30 | mangedir | chrisq: wouldnt it create a defualt config file? |
| 12:11.42 | chrisq | i have these: pureftpd-ldap.conf, pure-ftpd.conf |
| 12:11.53 | groton | sanxiyn: thanks a lot |
| 12:12.05 | sanxiyn | groton: Rumor is that it will be part of debian.org website soon. |
| 12:12.08 | mangedir | chrisq: i dont have pure-ftpd.conf in /etc/pure-ftpd |
| 12:12.11 | robin_sz | nessus++ # mmm, loveliness in a jar |
| 12:12.12 | mangedir | chrisq: it didnt make it |
| 12:12.23 | sanxiyn | "Which CD/DVD image contains a certain file?" |
| 12:12.28 | Ekaterin | Can I have a little bit more help with exim4? I'd like it to consult the NIS map mail.aliases for incoming mail. See http://paste.debian.net/1861 for the section of exim.conf that I need to convert. |
| 12:12.29 | chrisq | mangedir: your package should have one, if not i'm sure it comes with an example onfig |
| 12:12.42 | mangedir | chrisq: can you upload yourse?. Or where can i get one |
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| 12:13.10 | chrisq | mangedir: i use it on redhat, it wont do you any good |
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| 12:13.23 | mangedir | chrisq: argh! |
| 12:13.24 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: driver = aliasfile sounds _suspiciously_ like exim 3 |
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| 12:14.00 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: I'd use /usr/sbin/exim_convert4r4 to convert your exim 3 config file to exim 4 format and then use the router that was created in your exim 4 configuration. |
| 12:14.02 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: Yes, I pasted that in from my old exim3 config so you knew exactly what I was trying to achieve. |
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| 12:14.05 | mangedir | chrisq: damn crap! |
| 12:14.28 | Zugschlus | but I'd not use the entire generated configuration, as tempting as the idea sounds |
| 12:14.34 | chrisq | mangedir: i'm sure an example file is one google search away |
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| 12:14.49 | orchid | mangedir: nothing in /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd? |
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| 12:14.56 | ma3x | hi |
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| 12:15.08 | robin_sz | damn debian, it just makes linux too easy! |
| 12:15.14 | ma3x | i want to install ndiswrapper-utils, but it requires ndiswrapper-modules1.1 and such package doesn't exist |
| 12:15.20 | ma3x | can you please help me? |
| 12:15.26 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: OK, though I was rather scared off by the error message exim_convert4r4 gave me. |
| 12:15.36 | ma3x | I know about the ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 12:15.43 | ma3x | but ndiswrapper-modules1.1 ? |
| 12:16.34 | ma3x | ok |
| 12:16.36 | ma3x | one question |
| 12:16.44 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: It just said "There are two drivers with the name system_aliases" and gave up! |
| 12:16.49 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: convert4r4's output is fine for manual work, just don't use its output verbatim |
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| 12:16.57 | ma3x | can i somehow 'download' all package dependencies for ndiswrapper-utils? |
| 12:16.59 | mangedir | orchid: there are something. But not a config file as i can see |
| 12:17.09 | ma3x | just like using apt-get build-dep package |
| 12:17.15 | ma3x | but to download them instead of installing them |
| 12:17.17 | ma3x | is that possible? |
| 12:17.18 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: well, kill the other one and try again |
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| 12:17.52 | mangedir | orchid: what do i do |
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| 12:18.00 | ma3x | why is nobody talking to me? |
| 12:18.03 | sanxiyn | ma3x: You want --download-only option of apt. |
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| 12:18.33 | ma3x | sanxiyn: apt-get build-dep --download-only ndiswrapper-utils |
| 12:18.35 | ma3x | will that work? |
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| 12:18.56 | orchid | mangedir: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/228 <-- read the comments |
| 12:19.06 | ma3x | sanxiyn? |
| 12:19.11 | sanxiyn | ma3x: I don't know. |
| 12:19.22 | ma3x | who knows? |
| 12:19.43 | djp | can anyone tell me how i setup alsa for my soundblaster live souncard? i am using kernel 2.6, however by default debian 3.1 seems to be using oss, which i gather is not as good as alsa. i have installed alsa-base and run alsaconf, however my multimedia systems selector still sohws oss and does not give me a alsa choice... |
| 12:20.10 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Anyway, ndiswrapper-utils has not too much build-dep? |
| 12:20.19 | sanxiyn | (Just bzip and cdbs) |
| 12:20.48 | sanxiyn | ma3x: It should work, but it will be downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives, which may not be what you want. |
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| 12:21.08 | mangedir | orchid: aha but how the **BEEP** should i create a config file in conf/ dir where it says all users should be jailed into their homedirs. And what name should it even be? |
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| 12:21.14 | Dracka | What are zones and can't I do without them in routing? |
| 12:21.25 | Dracka | (google didn't help much - or I looked for wrong thins) |
| 12:21.27 | orchid | djp: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 12:21.28 | Dracka | things* |
| 12:21.42 | djp | will do orchid |
| 12:21.47 | orchid | djp: make sure you have those packages it lists |
| 12:21.54 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: Can I have two drivers with the same name in exim4? I actually want it to look in /etc/aliases as well for things like postmaster = root. |
| 12:22.09 | Dracka | !zones |
| 12:22.15 | Dracka | !dpkg zones |
| 12:22.16 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: no, the names need to be unique |
| 12:22.21 | Zugschlus | elephantman: they needed to be in exim 3 as well |
| 12:22.53 | orchid | mangedir: I dont know, ive never that software, so you need to **BEEP** at someone else :) |
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| 12:23.38 | arnaud__ | help |
| 12:23.44 | arnaud__ | hi |
| 12:23.52 | ma3x | sanxiyn: if it downloads to /var/cache/apt/archives, can't i copy it from there or whats the problem? |
| 12:24.08 | sanxiyn | ma3x: If that's fine for you, then there's no problem. |
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| 12:24.22 | sleon | !+find pdf2ps |
| 12:24.23 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 12:24.26 | ma3x | sanxiyn it will download them as .deb packages right?/ |
| 12:24.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pdf2ps' (1): (/usr/bin/pdf2ps) in text/gs-common. |
| 12:24.31 | sanxiyn | ma3x: I once looked for ways to specify download directory on command line, but I forgot it now. |
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| 12:24.35 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Yes. |
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| 12:24.41 | sleon | !+find pdf2html |
| 12:24.43 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 12:24.48 | ma3x | sanxiyn thanks a lot , appreciate it! |
| 12:24.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pdf2html' (2): (/usr/share/doc/htdig-doc/examples/doc2html/pdf2html.pl) in doc/htdig-doc ;; (/usr/lib/swish-e/perl/pdf2html.pm, /usr/share/doc/swish-e/examples/prog-bin/pdf2html.pm, /usr/share/doc/swish-e/examples/filter-bin/_pdf2html.pl) in web/swish-e. |
| 12:25.09 | sleon | !+find pdf2txt |
| 12:25.09 | arnaud__ | anyone knows how to set a global variable in debian-gnome environment ? |
| 12:25.11 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 12:25.51 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pdf2txt' returned no results. |
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| 12:25.54 | arnaud__ | when I try to launch eclipse from the desktop, it doesnt find any jre |
| 12:25.54 | arnaud__ | which is in my PATH though |
| 12:26.00 | sleon | arnaud__ it needs to be also in a CLASSPATH |
| 12:26.18 | sanxiyn | arnaud__: You need JAVA_HOME set. |
| 12:26.23 | arnaud__ | done |
| 12:26.29 | sleon | arnaud__ and also maybe there is java warpper in the patch before your jre one |
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| 12:26.54 | arnaud__ | I tried almost everythig : /etc/profile, bash.bashrc, ~/.bash* ... |
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| 12:27.13 | arnaud__ | now I have to specify the -vm argument |
| 12:27.17 | sanxiyn | arnaud__: You've set JAVA_HOME? |
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| 12:27.20 | arnaud__ | yep |
| 12:27.27 | sanxiyn | Strange. |
| 12:27.41 | sanxiyn | arnaud__: How did you install eclipse? |
| 12:27.54 | arnaud__ | just uncompressed an archive |
| 12:28.26 | arnaud__ | downloaded from the official site |
| 12:29.13 | arnaud__ | now look, i remove the -vm argument from the eclipse shortcut |
| 12:29.18 | arnaud__ | I open a terminal |
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| 12:29.29 | arnaud__ | export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk1.5.0_01 |
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| 12:29.40 | arnaud__ | PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin |
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| 12:29.46 | arnaud__ | export PATH |
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| 12:30.01 | sanxiyn | arnaud__: Then it should work. :( |
| 12:30.06 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: I think what I'm really trying to achieve is: if it's in /etc/aliases, then use that, else if it's in NIS, than use that (else just use the unmodified local part). Can that be done in exim4? |
| 12:30.06 | Unified | hi, i'm running debian stable and my touchpad doesn't work correctly, i cant click by touching the touchpad. any solution for this problem? |
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| 12:30.19 | arnaud__ | I double clik the shortcut, and it doesnt work |
| 12:30.22 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: sure, just have two routers, differently named. |
| 12:30.45 | cadu | -simple sid backport didn't work for me on Mozilla Firefox 1.0.6 :'( |
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| 12:34.51 | ma3x | sanxiyn, are you there? |
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| 12:35.03 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Yes. |
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| 12:35.20 | ma3x | sanxiyn, I want to download those dependencies, but I already have them installed on the current debian installation |
| 12:35.30 | yellow_man | sambody speak portuguese? |
| 12:35.30 | ma3x | sanxiyn, so apt won't recognize the new ones |
| 12:35.36 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Ah, ok. |
| 12:35.37 | ma3x | sanxiyn, it wouldn't want to retrieve them |
| 12:35.42 | ma3x | sanxiyn, what would i do now? |
| 12:35.45 | jobezone | yellow_man, eu falo |
| 12:35.58 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Then download them manually. |
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| 12:36.10 | yellow_man | jobezone, |
| 12:36.14 | yellow_man | vc e de onde? |
| 12:36.16 | ma3x | sanxiyn, there are like 50 maybe or more, no? |
| 12:36.22 | jobezone | yellow_man, portugal |
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| 12:36.26 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Depends on what you want to download? |
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| 12:36.34 | yellow_man | vc morou no brasil? |
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| 12:36.44 | ma3x | sanxiyn, ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-headers ... |
| 12:36.47 | jobezone | yellow_man, não :/ |
| 12:36.53 | yellow_man | ou seu portugues e de portugual |
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| 12:37.03 | yellow_man | seu portugues e de portugual |
| 12:37.06 | jobezone | sim :) |
| 12:37.10 | yellow_man | ummm |
| 12:37.19 | yellow_man | o que vc faz num canal destes? |
| 12:37.21 | ma3x | sanxiyn, it's more than 200 MBytes !! |
| 12:37.24 | jobezone | porquê? |
| 12:37.26 | sanxiyn | ma3x: ??? |
| 12:37.34 | ma3x | sanxiyn, all those dependencies |
| 12:37.34 | Dracka | oh great, my servers monitor just died :D when testing firewall, blocked me kinda out with ssh =) thank god was wise enough to not set the firewall to autostart :P |
| 12:38.03 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Well, I have no idea, good luck. Others may be able to help. |
| 12:38.03 | yellow_man | nao |
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| 12:38.11 | yellow_man | porque e dificil achar um brasileiro num canal em ingles |
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| 12:38.19 | yellow_man | no seu caso portuges |
| 12:38.29 | Minase | hi... new to trying out debian today (long time slackware user), got a few questions :). first, en_GB.UTF-8 locale seems to be missing and i can't find out what package it's in... any ideas? |
| 12:38.33 | yellow_man | vc entende de linux suponho... |
| 12:38.38 | jobezone | yellow_man, e no entanto, cá estamos :) |
| 12:38.39 | nvz | !portuguese |
| 12:38.39 | dpkg | somebody said portuguese was the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:38.46 | yellow_man | verdade |
| 12:38.53 | sanxiyn | most beautiful? Heh. |
| 12:38.54 | nvz | #debian is a english speaking channel |
| 12:38.59 | yellow_man | nvz, vc tambem? |
| 12:39.21 | nvz | I dont speak idiots spanish I only speak spanish and english |
| 12:39.22 | cockroach | Minase: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:39.22 | Rizzer | Minase: locales are in package locale |
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| 12:39.37 | yellow_man | nvz, ok |
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| 12:39.51 | yellow_man | my english is very bad |
| 12:39.52 | yellow_man | heahhea |
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| 12:39.57 | azeem | yellow_man: #debian-br |
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| 12:40.19 | Minase | cockroach: thank you! :) |
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| 12:40.31 | ma3x | sanxiyn, after i download all those dependencies, should i install one by one? |
| 12:40.33 | nvz | mine to, but I learned to speak in Texas and developed my vocabulary in Pittsburgh |
| 12:40.36 | cockroach | Minase: you're welcome |
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| 12:40.39 | ma3x | sanxiyn, isn't there a more easy way? |
| 12:40.41 | sanxiyn | ma3x: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:40.55 | ma3x | sanxiyn, downloading 50 packages |
| 12:41.00 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Why? |
| 12:41.08 | ma3x | sanxiyn, because they are ndiswrapper dependent |
| 12:41.09 | sanxiyn | (Why download only, without installing?) |
| 12:41.12 | ma3x | and because im installing new debian |
| 12:41.20 | nvz | I wish I had some fresh onions and red bell peppers these burgers would be a lot better |
| 12:41.20 | sanxiyn | I don't understand a bit. |
| 12:41.28 | ma3x | sanxiyn, because i will install them after the download |
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| 12:41.31 | ma3x | are we clear? |
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| 12:41.35 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Also, please don't address me directly. |
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| 12:41.49 | ma3x | how should i address you? |
| 12:41.52 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Then just apt-get install? |
| 12:42.03 | azeem | 14:36 < ma3x> and because im installing new debian |
| 12:42.17 | Minase | next question: how do i get intelligent bash tab completion? this was a package 'bash-completion' on slackware. can't seem to find anything like it with apt |
| 12:42.27 | ma3x | sanxiyn, can i specify to install all packages located in one directory? |
| 12:42.29 | caphuso | Minase: . /etc/bash_completion |
| 12:42.29 | djp | ok... i have followed the instructions for activating alsa, however what drivername do i add to /etc/discover.conf and /etc/hotplug/blacklist? |
| 12:42.37 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Like, dpkg -i * ? |
| 12:42.42 | Minase | caphuso: ...i feel stupid |
| 12:42.43 | ma3x | sanxiyn, you think it works? |
| 12:42.46 | Minase | thanks :) |
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| 12:42.49 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Yes it does. |
| 12:42.49 | caphuso | i'm pretty sure that's documented somewhere in /usr/share/doc/bash/README.* |
| 12:42.53 | ma3x | sanxiyn, okay i'll try |
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| 12:43.25 | nvz | I dont suppose salad dressing can go bad.. I must just be getting sick of it |
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| 12:44.14 | deepspace | Salad dressing can go bad like a child star with a meth habit. |
| 12:44.16 | deepspace | Be careful. |
| 12:44.21 | deepspace | What kind of dressing is it? |
| 12:44.22 | nvz | heh |
| 12:44.26 | nvz | italian |
| 12:44.34 | deepspace | Less likely with Italian. |
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| 12:45.19 | nvz | used it to spice up the burger a little before I cooked it.. my friend likes em that way.. I prefer to fry em with fresh onions and red bell peppers for flavor |
| 12:45.25 | Minase | last thing for now: the xorg in debian seems to be ignoring my DisplaySize setting in the Monitor section. DPI is fixed at 100dpi. any ideas why that is? or even better, is there a way to set DPI manually without DisplaySize? |
| 12:45.27 | sanxiyn | "POV-Ray was the first ray tracer to render an image in Earth orbit" -- huh? |
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| 12:45.45 | krenin | hello |
| 12:45.48 | djp | how do i find the driver name to add to my /etc/discover.conf and /etc/hotplug/blacklist in order to stop oss loading at boot? |
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| 12:46.56 | Dracka | When I want to define multiple ports for one rule in my firewall, how do I separate them? , doesn't seem to do that. Or isn't it possible at all (=That I can do it only for port ranges?)? |
| 12:47.00 | nvz | then I usually jump up in the air and go BAM! like emril does :P |
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| 12:47.08 | Rizzer | djp: you get a list of loaded drivers from lsmod |
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| 12:47.32 | DrZoot | whats the easiest way to find out which hdx entries have hard drives attached to them |
| 12:47.32 | djp | Rizzer, yeah got those. do i just add any drivers that have oss in the name? |
| 12:47.35 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: I believe it's all working now, but just one more question - how long does it normally take for cached callout verification failures to expire? |
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| 12:48.01 | Rizzer | I dunno what you need to do to ban them |
| 12:48.06 | djp | Rizzer, there is only one named snd_pcm_oss |
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| 12:48.20 | Ekaterin | A test email I sent to myself from another account came back with "host mx.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.140]: 550-Previous (cached) callout verification failure" in the bounce message. |
| 12:48.25 | djp | Rizzer, all the other referenced drivers do not say oss |
| 12:48.32 | nvz | may also want snd_mixer_oss or whatever its called |
| 12:48.39 | sanxiyn | djp: Well, then just leave it. |
| 12:48.54 | Rizzer | djp: there's probably a reference to it in /etc/modutils that's loading it |
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| 12:49.12 | djp | Rizzer, thanks, will take a look |
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| 12:49.22 | nvz | if you want to use OSS mixers which I tend to prefer aumix as I have been using it so long.. I am slowly warming up to alsa mixer |
| 12:49.51 | djp | nvz, yes you're right, that one as well ;) |
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| 12:50.41 | nvz | probably also affects volume control in apps which are configured for OSS obviously |
| 12:50.52 | Zugschlus | elephantman: very good question |
| 12:50.57 | Zugschlus | argh |
| 12:51.00 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: very good question |
| 12:51.11 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: I'd suggest looking at spec.txt for that |
| 12:51.15 | djp | is alsa a better choice than oss then? |
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| 12:51.39 | djp | nvz, so do you recommend i leave the snd_mixer_oss driver then? |
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| 12:51.56 | Rizzer | djp: it's said to be. alsa has better autoconfiguration. just run alsaconf. |
| 12:51.59 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: Well, I don't know what they're using on mx.cam.ac.uk, which I suspect is the machine that needs a kick. |
| 12:52.02 | tactless | How can I figure out which application is bound to port X? |
| 12:52.05 | nvz | djp: if you are going to be using apps that dont support alsa you will probably want both of those |
| 12:52.30 | Ekaterin | Zugschlus: I have emailed the adminstrators of that machine, but who knows if they're going to be around on a Saturday? |
| 12:52.37 | Zugschlus | Ekaterin: I suspect that the operators of mx.cam.ac.uk are _very_ familiar with exim |
| 12:52.41 | nvz | my shitty via onboard ac97 works better with alsa, but a lot of the apps I use dont talk to alsa so I use them both |
| 12:52.44 | Zugschlus | as in _VERY_ familiar |
| 12:52.48 | cahoot | tactless: lsof -i and netstat -tupan |
| 12:53.02 | Zugschlus | (considering that exim is developed and written in cam.ac.uk) |
| 12:53.19 | rage_ | Does anyone know of a util that will list duplicate lines in stdin, for example if I feed it a, a, b, c, c, d, it will print a, a, c, c, to stdout |
| 12:53.20 | rage_ | ? |
| 12:53.22 | karma1 | i'm having the same problem with alsa basically, i ran alsaconf, it detected my soundcard, i turned up the voulmes and made sure they werent muted, but i still dont get any sound |
| 12:53.24 | nvz | that wasnt the best meal I ever cooked but it'll make a turd I suppose :P |
| 12:53.35 | phogg | rage_: cat ? |
| 12:53.42 | Yoe | Zugschlus: ... and that the author of exim started writing it because he needed to maintain a mailserver in cam.ac.uk and didn't find software that did the job properly to his liking. |
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| 12:54.08 | sanxiyn | tactless: lsof -i :<port number> |
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| 12:54.37 | sanxiyn | rage_: You can do that in Perl, of course. :( |
| 12:54.38 | nvz | rage_: you can pipe it to uniq though I doubt it can do that |
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| 12:54.46 | rage_ | mmmm |
| 12:54.47 | sanxiyn | Or awk. |
| 12:54.50 | rage_ | yeah |
| 12:54.59 | rage_ | writing a quick shell script, mmmm |
| 12:55.13 | nvz | rage_: uniq -d will print duplicates |
| 12:55.15 | jelly | rage_: your example is not very clear, do you want to duplicate or weed out duplicates or what? |
| 12:55.20 | rage_ | nvz, excellent :-) |
| 12:55.27 | rage_ | Thanks |
| 12:55.32 | sanxiyn | nvz: Heh. |
| 12:55.41 | nvz | rage_: I was thinking it would only print the first but it will actually print them all |
| 12:56.12 | sanxiyn | nvz: Eh, it seems to print only the first? |
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| 12:56.29 | rage_ | nvz: Yeah, only seems to print the first |
| 12:56.31 | sanxiyn | nvz: Ah, uniq -D. |
| 12:56.47 | sanxiyn | -d is --repeated, -D is --all-repeated. Wonderful. |
| 12:57.03 | rage_ | :-) Excellent |
| 12:57.05 | Dracka | Now I understand why people make draw pictures of their network setup.. To get the routing stuff right at once.. hehe, how logic :P |
| 12:57.13 | rhizo | better yet, 'man uniq' |
| 12:57.16 | Mortalman | Anyone know wich pins on a 40 Pin ATX power connector I would need to jump to make the power supply power up ? |
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| 12:57.37 | rage_ | Mortalman: Usually green to black but I'd check google just in case |
| 12:57.38 | Mortalman | oops, 2-pin, duh |
| 12:57.54 | Mortalman | damn "20", pin. |
| 12:58.01 | Mortalman | serious typos today. |
| 12:58.31 | sanxiyn | "space wagons capable of travelling a trillion light years per day" |
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| 12:59.26 | nvz | yeah works for me. I used uniq recently for a similar task.. have photo collections and I like to make a preview thumbnail for each one and I used uniq to tell which ones didnt have previews yet |
| 12:59.30 | karma1 | i'm having the same problem with alsa basically, i ran alsaconf, it detected my soundcard, i turned up the voulmes and made sure they werent muted, but i still dont get any sound |
| 12:59.34 | jelly | sanxiyn: "run over the edge of the universe in 15 minutes! see what's on the other side!" |
| 12:59.53 | sanxiyn | jelly: Well, the quote is from scientology doctrine... |
| 12:59.56 | cahoot | karma1: only one card active? |
| 13:00.11 | karma1 | cahoot, yea |
| 13:00.13 | sanxiyn | jelly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera_in_Scientology_doctrine is sickly fun. |
| 13:00.32 | jelly | sanxiyn: And to think I actually like some of his books. ;-) |
| 13:00.32 | sanxiyn | Eh, not sickly. |
| 13:00.51 | cahoot | karma1: checked /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 13:01.29 | nvz | yeah I;ve definatly burned out the taste for my friends lazy italian dressing maranade trick.. its not that good of a flavor.. I'm gonna have to show him what a real burger tastes like one of these days |
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| 13:02.00 | Dracka | Can I use shorewalls firewall without doing any routing first? It's hard to get all things right at once. |
| 13:02.05 | karma1 | cahoot, yeah, my card is listed in there |
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| 13:02.41 | cahoot | karma1: and alsamixer doesn't complain? |
| 13:03.04 | karma1 | cahoot, as far as I can tell, nope :| |
| 13:03.07 | abrotman | sanxiyn: wikipedia LIES! |
| 13:03.16 | karma1 | :Q |
| 13:03.35 | nvz | its a fuckin wiki |
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| 13:03.43 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Well, if its any good as "Guide", it's fine for me. |
| 13:03.49 | cahoot | karma1: cabling ok? not external powerswitch to consider? |
| 13:03.52 | sanxiyn | (Hitchhiker's guide to..) |
| 13:03.53 | nvz | wikis are only as truthful as their editors |
| 13:04.05 | sanxiyn | abrotman: My use of wiki is mostly for entertainment. |
| 13:04.10 | sanxiyn | s/wiki/wikipedia/ |
| 13:04.13 | abrotman | sanxiyn: nah .. you missed the troll the other day .. lightvision or something .. swears wikipedia is written by children |
| 13:04.36 | karma1 | cahoot, yeah, the card itself works fine as far as i know -- i made the switch from suse 9.3 to debian a few days ago and in suse, it worked fine |
| 13:04.44 | sanxiyn | abrotman: I do think Wikipedia politics is childish. |
| 13:04.51 | cahoot | karma1: what do you use to test sound? |
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| 13:04.53 | sanxiyn | (Votes for Deletions, edit wars, etc.) |
| 13:05.18 | abrotman | sanxiyn: you mean how the argue over the edits ? |
| 13:05.19 | karma1 | been using the gnome sound pref. and testing the system sounds, as well as gaim sounds |
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| 13:05.51 | nvz | I've known some pretty smart children.. but none that could have written the stuff I've looked up on wikipedia |
| 13:05.58 | cahoot | karma1: to eliminate application errors - use aplay directly from a term |
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| 13:07.14 | cahoot | karma1: like this: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=8000 count=1 | aplay -D hw:0 |
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| 13:07.37 | nvz | if lightvision is having problems with reading material he is the child. I manage to find stuff on my level instead of going to the childrens section in the library. |
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| 13:08.10 | karma1 | cahoot, ahh, i heard the static |
| 13:08.11 | nvz | of course my local library is mostly all kids stuff.. or books so old they arent worth reading |
| 13:08.27 | cahoot | karma1: so sound actually works |
| 13:08.39 | karma1 | cahoot, hmmm... no application sounds work now, lol |
| 13:08.42 | karma1 | now* |
| 13:08.45 | nvz | you pick them up thinking they are dusty and go to blow the dust off of them, and the cover blows away and dissipates into the air |
| 13:08.50 | twentyone | Ahhhh! I love sneezing |
| 13:08.53 | twentyone | usually |
| 13:08.59 | twentyone | unless I'm eating corn flakes |
| 13:09.00 | sanxiyn | nvz: Heh. |
| 13:09.13 | nvz | heh :) |
| 13:09.31 | sanxiyn | There are some good old books. |
| 13:09.44 | nvz | most the books I read on programming from sewickley were so old its rediculous |
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| 13:10.12 | Py | hello |
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| 13:10.57 | nvz | I found the old psycology and mathematics material they had interesting.. but I knew enough to realize that it was based on outdated princaple |
| 13:11.04 | sanxiyn | Ah, for programming... But SICP is 20 years old. |
| 13:11.38 | nvz | the books they have on C were probably written before C was even widely used |
| 13:11.49 | sanxiyn | Mathematics doesn't really get outdated. They get out of fashion. |
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| 13:11.59 | Py | I just installed a sarge box, which is most of time headless. X is however running on it. When I plug in my usb-mouse, it gets detected nicely, but won't let me move the cursor until I do ctrl-alt-f1 ctrl-alt-f7 (switch to a console and back to graphical mode). Is there a way to get the mouse "instantly" active without this step? |
| 13:12.05 | nvz | no believe me math texts get outdated. |
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| 13:12.14 | sanxiyn | nvz: How? |
| 13:12.22 | cahoot | nvz: you tell Pythagoras |
| 13:12.31 | nvz | I had an old geometry text that was just rediculous |
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| 13:12.35 | Yoe | Py: using /dev/input/mice as your mouse device? |
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| 13:12.42 | Py | Yoe: yep |
| 13:12.48 | Yoe | not sure then |
| 13:12.58 | sanxiyn | nvz: Then it must have been ridiculous at the time of publication too... |
| 13:12.58 | nvz | sanxiyn: people used to believe the earth was flat you know |
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| 13:13.10 | robin_sz | it is! |
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| 13:13.12 | minra_home | many people believe many things that aren't true |
| 13:13.24 | sanxiyn | nvz: Geometry is a very old discipline, unlike physics. :-) |
| 13:13.26 | minra_home | and boy to you get hammered when you try to educate them |
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| 13:14.47 | Py | Yoe: in which case would you have a solution? Should I use another device in my config? |
| 13:14.52 | minimec | Hi I have a quiet strange problem. I installed phpmyadmin on my sarge-box in combination with apache2. When I want to access http://localhost/phpmyadmin/index.php the firefox browser asks me if i want to open or save index.php. NO!! I just want to open that fuc.... page in my browser. Where could I be wrong? |
| 13:15.19 | Yoe | Py: I'm not all that knowledgeable about X and mice. It Works For Me with /dev/input/mice, that's all I can say |
| 13:15.24 | Rizzer | nvz: interestingly, as far as I know people, educated ones at least, never actually believed the world was flat |
| 13:15.27 | sanxiyn | minimec: Restart apache? |
| 13:15.32 | Yoe | Py: so if you're already using that, there's nothing much I can do to help you. Sorry. |
| 13:15.45 | Py | Yoe: ok, np. Thks anyway! |
| 13:15.46 | minimec | sanxiyn: I did that :-( |
| 13:15.52 | Rizzer | there was a Greek dude sometime BC who did an experiment on the curvature of the earth |
| 13:16.00 | Rizzer | Aristarchus, I think |
| 13:16.27 | Py | is there a channel dedicated to x and such stuff ? |
| 13:16.29 | sanxiyn | minimec: You enalbed PHP on Apache? |
| 13:16.39 | sanxiyn | minimec: Then, it should work... |
| 13:16.50 | nvz | I read a 1963 geometry text book I had gotten for free from Cristan Help the summer before 9th grade and went into geometry that year and most of what I read was applicable and I spent the year underminding the teacher and schooling everyone else in class. though there were differences even in that 30 or so years between our brand new math project we were testing from CMU and the text I was reading from 1963 |
| 13:17.25 | gravity | Py: #debian-x. |
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| 13:18.09 | nvz | I liked the CMU project better than the Chicago Math they had been teaching |
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| 13:19.08 | nvz | It was more hands on and allowed student of the same class to work at different paces |
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| 13:20.49 | nvz | many kids finished the course and others did not, and still were graded the same.. important thing was that they were allowed to learn at their own pace and keep their minds occupied prevented the loss of interest and confusion that came from traditional projects that made slow and fast minds all work at the same speed. |
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| 13:21.52 | nvz | slow people can dwell on the distributive property for weeks, others cant take much more than a few hours of it without ignoring the rest. |
| 13:22.19 | minimec | sanxiyn: Hmm.. There is something wrong. webmin-apache tells me, that the php-modules are not loaded. |
| 13:22.30 | sanxiyn | minimec: a2enmod php4 |
| 13:22.44 | nvz | cant force these different minds to work alike or you fail to really teach them anything. more programs should work the way the Pittsburgh Urban Math Progect from CMU was designed |
| 13:22.51 | minimec | sanxiyn: apt-get install? |
| 13:22.55 | sanxiyn | minimec: ? |
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| 13:23.02 | sanxiyn | minimec: Run it as root on the terminal. |
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| 13:23.23 | sanxiyn | a2enmod (Apache 2 enable module) php4 (module name) |
| 13:23.36 | sanxiyn | minimec: Normally, it is run automatically after installing php4... |
| 13:24.18 | Langly1 | Anyone around |
| 13:24.20 | minimec | sanxiyn: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:24.25 | Langly1 | I've got a small problem |
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| 13:24.28 | minimec | sanxiyn: I will check that... |
| 13:24.32 | sanxiyn | minimec: So you don't have PHP installed. |
| 13:24.39 | minimec | sanxiyn: I will check that... |
| 13:25.09 | Langly1 | On a fresh install with a sarge live cd |
| 13:25.12 | nvz | that was really my problem with school. everyone at my school was very old. people who stopped learning new things in the 1950's trying to educate a mind that developed more than 4 decades later |
| 13:25.20 | Langly1 | with the option linux26 on boot before installing |
| 13:25.32 | Langly1 | apon the reboot, and base system configuation |
| 13:25.40 | sanxiyn | Laney: Sarge live CD? |
| 13:25.43 | Langly1 | doing nothing but the absolute essentials |
| 13:25.51 | sanxiyn | Eh, was to Langly1. |
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| 13:26.07 | Langly1 | Well 185 meg cd, with net install |
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| 13:26.15 | sanxiyn | That is not a live CD. |
| 13:26.19 | Langly1 | what ever |
| 13:26.25 | Langly1 | on to the problem |
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| 13:26.29 | Rizzer | nvz: what were the interesting features of the Pittsburgh project? |
| 13:26.56 | Langly1 | after it completes the downloads, and starts installing the bare essentials I get this |
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| 13:27.00 | Langly1 | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. |
| 13:27.00 | Langly1 | This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 13:27.00 | Langly1 | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 13:27.00 | Langly1 | ACK! Something bad happened while installing packages. Trying to recover: |
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| 13:27.33 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:27.42 | sanxiyn | Langly1: Are you using older version of Debian installer? |
| 13:27.58 | Langly1 | Sarge cd, downloaded a few months ago |
| 13:28.10 | sanxiyn | Official Sarge CD won't try to remove e2fsprogs while installing, that's for sure. |
| 13:28.20 | Langly1 | hmm the wtf is up |
| 13:28.24 | minimec | sanxiyn: Yes. That was it. Seems like a dependency problem of the phpmyadmin package. THX |
| 13:28.37 | Langly1 | could it have something to do with the mirror i used for some reason |
| 13:28.51 | Langly1 | Ive had that happen before 1 bad mirror |
| 13:28.53 | nvz | Rizzer: it consisted of a computer program and a work book they printed out to be used as a textbook in class. the most interesting feature was the ability to pace yourself. you could sit one one section for days or finish several sections in one day if you wanted. you didn't have to follow a group pace.. yet you were still able to participate in group lessons and activities without distrubing your own personal flow of learning |
| 13:29.35 | Langly1 | Debian GNU/Linux testing "Sarge" - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 |
| 13:29.36 | Langly1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:29.46 | Langly1 | thats the disk it is, from the readme |
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| 13:30.22 | elephantman | My system is saying : LANGUAGE = (unset), |
| 13:30.22 | elephantman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.22 | elephantman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.22 | elephantman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:30.24 | Langly1 | so why is it screwing me over |
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| 13:30.35 | elephantman | Sorry |
| 13:30.35 | nvz | Rizzer: I was the type that if I have to hear the same thing more than twice I am not only ignoring you now, but I am starting to forget about it. because if you can't feed me any new input I begin to regaurd it as all you know about it and start lowering its significance to be remembered |
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| 13:30.56 | elephantman | How can i reset those missing vars ? |
| 13:31.02 | elephantman | Are they global vars ? |
| 13:31.03 | sanxiyn | Langly1: Because it is a *snapshot*. |
| 13:31.14 | sanxiyn | Langly1: Not a release. |
| 13:31.15 | nagytalop | all ya! :) |
| 13:31.18 | Rizzer | nvz: I taught at a school which was trying a philosophy like that. Good to hear you found it worked well. Would you know if they published a report on how it went, that I could read? |
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| 13:31.51 | nagytalop | anybody knows what can i do with a muxserver? :) |
| 13:31.57 | sanxiyn | Langly1: It should say "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD" |
| 13:32.26 | nagytalop | i find one |
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| 13:32.44 | nvz | Rizzer: I am not sure. I never followed it up after school.. all I know is they tested the project on half of the class at my school. they were still teaching Chicago Math Project at the same time PUMP was being tested. they had changed the name of the project many times.. PUMP is the last name I knew it as. |
| 13:32.50 | Langly1 | sanxiyn what sould I use then, or how can i fix it |
| 13:32.58 | Petrov | is debian very good for a desktop? |
| 13:32.58 | Langly1 | I dont mind starting over |
| 13:33.06 | sanxiyn | Langly1: Get the official CD. |
| 13:33.14 | nvz | Rizzer: it was developed at a local university so I am sure they did plenty of follow up work on it |
| 13:33.27 | elephantman | Petrov: what use exactly ? |
| 13:33.31 | sanxiyn | Langly1: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:33.42 | elephantman | Petrov: server or workstation |
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| 13:34.20 | Langly1 | is the netinst CD image from that page good |
| 13:34.27 | Petrov | elephanatman: workstation |
| 13:34.30 | sanxiyn | Langly1: Yes. |
| 13:34.31 | Langly1 | I should I get the full CD |
| 13:34.32 | nvz | Rizzer: PUMP CMU, seems to bring up hits |
| 13:34.39 | Langly1 | ok good |
| 13:34.42 | bit0 | hello, how could i reinstall the whole system? (i've got locales problem) |
| 13:34.53 | sanxiyn | Langly1: You can just get netinst CD. |
| 13:35.00 | Langly1 | my download is fast enough, and the cd-rom on the system im installing on there isnt much difference :P |
| 13:35.17 | caphuso | locales problems are pretty low on the list of things that would make a reinstallation feasible |
| 13:35.45 | Langly1 | I need to keep the install under 3 gig max, thats also why aptitude is pissing me off heh |
| 13:36.00 | bit0 | caphuso, i've removed all locales ( i used localepurge :( ) |
| 13:36.04 | Langly1 | Thats why im just doing base min, then gettting everything i need with apt |
| 13:36.06 | caphuso | d'oh |
| 13:36.12 | Rizzer | nvz: yeah, I'll poke around the hits and see if I can find the source. Thanks for the tip. |
| 13:36.21 | Langly1 | more of a gentooish way of doing it, but works for me |
| 13:36.28 | caphuso | bit0: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 13:36.37 | nvz | Rizzer: I participated in both the PUMP Algebra and PUMP Geometry classes and found them to be far more interesting than any Chicago Math Projects I participated in. because the following year I went back to Chicago math to learn Advanced Algebra and then they taught FST and Calculus |
| 13:36.45 | caphuso | but remove localeopurge first |
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| 13:37.36 | nagytalop | can anybody tell me what is the muxserver? |
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| 13:38.24 | elephantman | Petrov: depends what tools u are using - If you can use the tools you need on a linux system, debian is a great one. For me the best. |
| 13:38.32 | Rizzer | act.psy.cmu.edu seems to be the project's home |
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| 13:38.52 | nvz | Rizzer: yeah doesnt mention the Geometry course though from what I can see |
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| 13:39.14 | nvz | I know it exists because I participated in both |
| 13:39.24 | adb123 | Anyone know off hand where I can check if a domain has beenfully propogated yet? |
| 13:39.32 | Petrov | elephantman: thx |
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| 13:39.45 | djp | ok final question with my new debian 3.1 install. two messages at bootup say they are fatal. something to do with pciehp and schcp. can i just ignore them? there appears to be no problem with my system. |
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| 13:40.11 | bit0 | caphuso, thanks |
| 13:41.47 | Rizzer | nvz: the research pages can be found off http://www.carnegielearning.com - that'll do the trick for me (my teaching was in science anyway, not maths, so it's the principles rather than the details which are interesting) |
| 13:42.19 | djp | scpchp is the other modprobe error |
| 13:42.58 | elephantman | I have this : LANGUAGE = (unset),LC_ALL = (unset), ==> How can i reset them ? |
| 13:43.05 | sanxiyn | djp: Yes, you can ignore them. |
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| 13:43.31 | elephantman | What tool do i use ? (the only local set is : LANG = "en_US.ISO-8859-15") |
| 13:43.52 | djp | sanxiyn, cheers |
| 13:43.54 | elephantman | Is it like "export LANGUAGE ="en_US.ISO-8859-15"" ? |
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| 13:43.59 | elephantman | Or not ? |
| 13:44.09 | sanxiyn | djp: More on Debian bug #268583 |
| 13:44.33 | Yoe | elephantman: that's sane, yes, though I would use LANG rather than LANGUAGE. Not that it matters much. |
| 13:44.41 | djp | cheers, will take a look sanxiyn |
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| 13:44.52 | Yoe | also, you may be interested in UTF-8 rather than ISO-8858-15 |
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| 13:45.05 | sanxiyn | Hm, what's incatanation to let dpkg to display BTS info? |
| 13:45.22 | Yoe | sanxiyn: you mean apt-listbugs? |
| 13:45.23 | caphuso | sanxiyn: /msg dpkg dbugs 123456 |
| 13:45.33 | Yoe | ah, *that* dpkg :-) |
| 13:45.39 | elephantman | Yoe: ok so i should ==> export LANG = "en_US.ISO-8859-15" LC_ALL="en_US.ISO-8859-15" ? Is that right ? |
| 13:45.44 | sanxiyn | !dbugs 268583 |
| 13:45.47 | dpkg | #268583:N[kernel] hotplug failure with shpchp and pciehp; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:03:04 UTC |
| 13:45.55 | Yoe | elephantman: apart from the LC_ALL, yes |
| 13:46.01 | Dracka | When I have my lan nic, and option of 'broadcast address' in shorewall, should I put the nic's ip to it? |
| 13:46.06 | elephantman | Yoe: ok thanx a lot |
| 13:46.10 | Yoe | elephantman: LC_ALL is to override if you temporarily need an empty locale |
| 13:46.10 | caphuso | elephantman: you can't have spaces around the = in export FOO=bar |
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| 13:46.31 | elephantman | Yoe: understood |
| 13:46.35 | elephantman | caphuso: ok thanx |
| 13:46.42 | Langly1 | thx guys |
| 13:46.44 | bomb | hey why did an upgrade from sarge -> testing install xserver-xorg? |
| 13:46.45 | Mugsy_ | I compile this game and it says: make: sdl-config: Command not found |
| 13:46.47 | nagytalop | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 13:46.49 | nagytalop | |
| 13:46.54 | bomb | i thought xorg would have been an option..... |
| 13:46.55 | Mugsy_ | What is sdl? |
| 13:46.56 | cockroach | can anyone recommend a wterm-esque (simple, with fast pseudo-transparency) terminal with unicode support? |
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| 13:47.01 | adaran | why is it that an apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade -s only installs packages out of unstable, instead of testing? |
| 13:47.05 | Yoe | bomb: because xorg now supersedes xfree86. |
| 13:47.06 | asg | Mugsy_: /msg dpkg sdl |
| 13:47.10 | gravity | bomb: No. XFree86 is now out of Debian. |
| 13:47.11 | bomb | doh! |
| 13:47.14 | bomb | ah ok |
| 13:47.26 | gravity | There's no reason to keep XFree86 around |
| 13:47.44 | Yoe | gravity: except if you're crazy ;-) |
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| 13:47.54 | bomb | heh xfree86 always worked fine for me |
| 13:48.02 | gravity | Yoe: Right :-) |
| 13:48.02 | bomb | i'm not running any uber-new video hardware though |
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| 13:48.17 | gravity | bomb: X.Org is a fork of XFree86, so it should continue working for you |
| 13:48.23 | asg | bomb: then run stable, it has XFree86 |
| 13:48.26 | sanxiyn | bomb: Debian was the first to object XFree86's changed license. |
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| 13:48.47 | bomb | asg i still do run stable, this other box is purely for experimenting |
| 13:48.51 | Yoe | gravity: ... and xfree86 is a fork of xorg ;-) |
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| 13:49.01 | Recyclebin | ... |
| 13:49.04 | Yoe | ahh, free software projects. Gotta love 'em. |
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| 13:49.15 | Recyclebin | Most Linux distributions add a big number of features to a package without contacting the package maintainer. So this feature stays distribution-specific and is not available on other distributions. In my opinion this is wrong. Traditional package development should be up to the package maintainer. If a Linux distributor changes something, it should be added to a package. The first step should be to contact the package maintainer and a |
| 13:49.15 | Recyclebin | sk him to include the patch. |
| 13:49.16 | Unified | hi |
| 13:49.17 | jmagg | hi folks |
| 13:49.28 | Langly1 | After two months of asking, I finaly found out why my usb pen disks locked up "ANY" linux system I plugged them into |
| 13:49.30 | jmagg | linux noob, |
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| 13:49.37 | jmagg | wait dont keave |
| 13:49.37 | gravity | Yoe: Heh, if you want to get in to weird political technicalities :-) |
| 13:49.41 | Unified | little bit off-topic: what are the most common prejudices from windows users against linux users, besides installation and missing programs? |
| 13:49.42 | sdfsdfs | can someone help me install my wireless card? |
| 13:49.48 | Yoe | Recyclebin: we agree, it's part of our policy. |
| 13:49.57 | asg | sdfsdfs: what type of card is it? |
| 13:49.59 | sanxiyn | Recyclebin: Of course, distros do try to upstream patches. |
| 13:50.04 | Langly1 | fdisk /dev/sda revealed they had 3 corrupt primary partitions with starting clusters after the end of the drive |
| 13:50.05 | gravity | Indeed |
| 13:50.05 | bomb | you know what's weird though, after the upgrade, it still asked me if which one i wanted to run as default |
| 13:50.06 | caphuso | shameless plug: if anyone is really new to zsh or interested in it, there's going to be an introduction in #zsh and #zshtalk in 10 minutes |
| 13:50.06 | sdfsdfs | linksys wireless-b notebook adapter |
| 13:50.07 | Yoe | Recyclebin: however, on occasions Debian maintainers and upstream maintainers differ in opinion, so then there's differences. |
| 13:50.21 | sanxiyn | Recyclebin: That way, there's less code to maintain. |
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| 13:50.21 | Yoe | gravity: weird is nice ;-) |
| 13:50.21 | adaran | Unified, bad personal hygiene? |
| 13:50.25 | asg | sdfsdfs: does it show up in dmesg? or /sbin/ifconfig -a? |
| 13:50.26 | gravity | hehe |
| 13:50.26 | Langly1 | and stupid winblows doesnt allow for editing partitions on pendisks, I had tried before |
| 13:50.29 | elephantman | I always have this message a lot of time during "apt-get distupgrade" : perl: warning: Setting locale failed. | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:| (...) | are supported and installed on your system. | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory ... |
| 13:50.39 | Unified | adaran what do you mean? |
| 13:50.45 | sdfsdfs | I haven't installed debian yet asg |
| 13:50.47 | sdfsdfs | I'm trying ftp install |
| 13:50.58 | adaran | Unified, nervermind :P |
| 13:51.02 | adaran | *never |
| 13:51.16 | asg | sdfsdfs: oh, it probably won't be available to the installer; only a few cards work out of the box. |
| 13:51.28 | sdfsdfs | after it says "starting pc card services" or something it just freezes |
| 13:51.30 | Unified | okay than I understood it right :) |
| 13:51.41 | sanxiyn | sdfsdfs: Too bad. |
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| 13:51.53 | nvz | Rizzer: cool. I'd like to see a whole lot more of it myself. I'd also like to see laws that make public school teachers go back to school or retire... heh Being taught by people who's knowlage and principals were 4 decades older than my young mind never worked well for me |
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| 13:52.14 | aum | hi - anyone know why 'insert video' cmd in ooimpress is disabled? |
| 13:52.18 | nagytalop | why not works my telnet? |
| 13:52.30 | sanxiyn | aum: Which version? |
| 13:52.30 | jmagg | Runniong ubantu Breezy and i cant seem to see my windows shares, can anyone help |
| 13:52.31 | nvz | they werent thinking people either.. they were old and bitchy and refused to admit when they were wrong. |
| 13:52.39 | asg | nagytalop: you are going to have to be a bit more specific than that |
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| 13:52.44 | aum | sanxiyn: 1.1.4 |
| 13:52.49 | nagytalop | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 13:52.50 | nagytalop | |
| 13:52.55 | asg | jmagg: ask #ubuntu |
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| 13:53.04 | asg | nagytalop: is the remote host running telnetd? |
| 13:53.13 | jmagg | ok |
| 13:53.15 | nagytalop | i think |
| 13:53.17 | nagytalop | :) |
| 13:53.26 | Rizzer | nvz: :) mind you, there's a type of school student who responds better to teachers over 40 and doesn't respect younger ones (not that that means the older teacher's knowledge has to necessarily be "old") |
| 13:53.31 | elephantman | Ok thanx its ok now |
| 13:53.38 | Mugsy_ | I got all this stuff that will be removed and installed in aptitude, how do I get rid of all that? |
| 13:53.39 | Langly1 | is this a decent KVM switch? http://www.iguanamicro.com/zo4pokvmwica.html |
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| 13:53.45 | nvz | I recall educating my english teacher on shakespeare was the only time I ever got one of them idiots to realize they didnt know it all |
| 13:53.46 | Ronin | freaky unstable isp, grrr |
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| 13:54.05 | elephantman | What is the advantage of "en_US.UTF-8" instead of "en_US.ISO-8859-15" ? |
| 13:54.11 | asg | nagytalop: also, why are you running telnetd and not sshd? |
| 13:54.15 | nagytalop | i just wanna connect to a simple windozz machine |
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| 13:54.29 | elephantman | I mean what does the character encoding changes ? |
| 13:54.34 | nvz | Rizzer: hey I dont mind old people as long as the learning centers in their mind are still functional enough to adapt to their environment |
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| 13:54.53 | nagytalop | how can i start sshd? |
| 13:54.53 | Rizzer | nvz: true enough :) |
| 13:55.09 | asg | nagytalop: on windows? putty (dunno if it has a daemon though) |
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| 13:55.15 | nagytalop | ohhh |
| 13:55.19 | nagytalop | i remember |
| 13:55.21 | nagytalop | :) |
| 13:55.27 | nagytalop | thanx |
| 13:55.31 | Langly1 | hold a bucket of cpu thermal paste in the dark in front of a mirror, and chant SSHD 3 times |
| 13:55.33 | nagytalop | thank you |
| 13:55.34 | Langly1 | and it will start |
| 13:55.35 | Rizzer | elephantman: iso-8859 is 8-bit so only 256 letters. barely enough for two alphabets |
| 13:55.35 | asg | nagytalop: you can use samba and/or smbfs to access windows shares from your Debian box |
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| 13:55.46 | sanxiyn | elephantman: If you deal with many languages, UTF-8 is advantageous. |
| 13:55.47 | nagytalop | i use |
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| 13:55.58 | nagytalop | i just wanna try telnet |
| 13:56.03 | elephantman | Rizzer: ok thats a good explanation - thanx |
| 13:56.05 | sanxiyn | elephantman: For latin alaphbets, it doesn't change much. |
| 13:56.12 | nagytalop | so thank you |
| 13:56.13 | asg | nagytalop: well, find out why windows is refusing connections. |
| 13:56.14 | nagytalop | ;) |
| 13:56.15 | elephantman | sanxiyn: ah ok |
| 13:56.16 | Rizzer | elephantman: UTF-8 is "unconstrained", allowing any number (or at least, 1000s) of alphabets |
| 13:56.20 | nvz | Rizzer: I had a gradeschool teacher who used to ask me all the time if I was a "ra-taar or something?" then would tell me "I'm not going to waste my saliva on you" she was some crazy little Filipino |
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| 13:56.48 | Mugsy_ | How do I clear aptitude of all the stuff its going to add/remove? |
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| 13:57.00 | asg | nagytalop: if it's XP, try using rdesktop (RDP) after configuring remote access in XP. |
| 13:57.01 | Rizzer | elephantman: e.g. russian, chinese, thai, mongolian, urdu, klingon |
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| 13:57.15 | nagytalop | win2k |
| 13:57.17 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: Klingon is rejected for Unicode. |
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| 13:57.38 | Recyclebin | yeah |
| 13:57.41 | Rizzer | sanxiyn: there's an unofficial encoding for it in the "user" section |
| 13:57.47 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: And no good enough font/software for mongolian. |
| 13:57.50 | asg | nagytalop: can't remember if that allows remote access via terminal services but if it does, you can use rdesktop like you'd use Windows Terminal Services Client. |
| 13:57.55 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: Ah, yes, in private user area. |
| 13:57.57 | elephantman | Rizzer: ok i understand the point? Its to make available for a wider range of character representation. |
| 13:58.07 | sanxiyn | elephantman: Yes. |
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| 13:58.14 | nvz | I forgave her though because when I graduated from gradeschool she gave a speach in front of the whole school about me and how intelligent I was despite the fact she called me a retard on many occations |
| 13:58.19 | nagytalop | ok |
| 13:58.29 | DedBobFan | i installed debian sarge from linux pro magazine dvd and have no scroll function on my wheel mouse, can someone help me fix this? |
| 13:58.38 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: Are you referring to http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/ ? |
| 13:58.43 | Rizzer | I think there's an elvish (tolkein) encoding too |
| 13:58.49 | nvz | I attibute that to her not fully understanding our language |
| 13:58.50 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: Yes, CSUR. |
| 13:58.56 | takatumi | Mugsy_: ":" ("?" will list all you need) |
| 13:59.03 | Rizzer | sanxiyn: probably :) I don't know where it's located |
| 13:59.10 | bomb | DedBobFan: reconfigure X and choose the correct mouse protocol |
| 13:59.11 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: I pasted URL... |
| 13:59.18 | DedBobFan | i am a complete debian n00b, and dont know how to fix the mouse :( |
| 13:59.18 | streuner | DedBobFan: IMPS/2 ? |
| 13:59.23 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: Klingon is U+F8D0-F8FF. |
| 13:59.29 | asg | DedBobFan: /msg dpkg mousewheel |
| 13:59.30 | Recyclebin | I think the unicode should be designed like tcp/ip |
| 13:59.32 | DedBobFan | it is a ps2 mouse |
| 13:59.45 | sanxiyn | Tengwar is U+E000-E07F, and Cirth is E080-E0FF. |
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| 13:59.54 | Mugsy_ | Can anyone help me? |
| 14:00.21 | Rizzer | sanxiyn: which language is cirth? |
| 14:00.28 | streuner | !tell Musgsy_ about ask |
| 14:00.37 | asg | streuner: he did |
| 14:00.39 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: Elf rune. |
| 14:00.42 | streuner | oh |
| 14:00.50 | asg | streuner: 09:57 < Mugsy_> How do I clear aptitude of all the stuff its going to add/remove? |
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| 14:01.07 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: You know, there are two writing systems in use in Tolkien's Middle-earth. |
| 14:01.21 | Py | is there a way to mount a storage device in a "instant flushing" mode, eg do not cache data but write it when written to the dev (eg with a floppy: write stuff when writte by the user/progs and not when unmounting) ? |
| 14:01.31 | vel | does anyone know if debian runs fine in vmware? |
| 14:01.33 | Rizzer | sanxiyn: elvish and dwarfish runes? |
| 14:01.38 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: Yes. |
| 14:01.48 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: dwarvish. |
| 14:01.53 | Mugsy_ | asg, do you know? |
| 14:01.55 | asg | Py: mount it sync (only works on a few filesystems though) |
| 14:02.00 | Bimmerman | what is the line to use in fstab to mount an ntfs partition with full rights for all users? |
| 14:02.09 | asg | Mugsy_: no, aptitude is the first thing I remove from all my machines after nvi |
| 14:02.10 | Rizzer | sanxiyn: i'd forgotten what dwarfish is in dwarvish |
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| 14:02.23 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: Khuzdul. |
| 14:02.24 | vel | because slackware cant even be installed in virtual machine |
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| 14:02.26 | Py | asg: how can I check if it is available for vfat? |
| 14:02.31 | asg | Py: man mount |
| 14:02.48 | Rizzer | sanxiyn: ah, ok |
| 14:02.54 | Mugsy_ | asg, what do you use? |
| 14:02.58 | asg | Mugsy_: apt-get |
| 14:03.22 | takatumi | Mugsy_: scroll up, I gave you the answer. |
| 14:03.42 | nvz | I've never ran out of real educational material long enough to start memorizing Scifi and other B.S. |
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| 14:04.08 | Py | asg: it seems to be available for ext2-3 and ufs :-( bad luck for me |
| 14:04.15 | Rizzer | nvz: ;) what's "ra-taar" ? that teacher sounds like a real idiot |
| 14:04.20 | aum | hi - anyone know why the 'insert video' command is greyed out in ooimpress 1.1.4? |
| 14:04.38 | fken | yeeehaaaa! xorg under etch ! |
| 14:04.39 | asg | Py: looks that way. |
| 14:04.40 | Bimmerman | what is the line to use in fstab to mount an ntfs partition with full rights for all users??? |
| 14:04.43 | nvz | though I guess you have to draw a line somewhere about what is BS and what is not.. cause I've studied things like astrology which many people would consider BS |
| 14:04.52 | bomb | Bimmerman: you should read the man page for mount and learn how to mount partitions manually before you add anything to fstab |
| 14:04.57 | _eXoDuS | Bimmerman: add to the options umask=000 |
| 14:05.18 | nvz | Rizzer: yeah she couldnt even pronounce retard and had the nerve to call me and everyone else one all the time |
| 14:05.25 | DedBobFan | i need help making my mouse wheel work. fresh install of sarge |
| 14:05.32 | asg | DedBobFan: /msg dpkg mousewheel |
| 14:05.39 | Rizzer | nvz: oh I get it ;/ |
| 14:05.41 | fken | umask=000 is the correct options to allow every user to write under the media |
| 14:05.42 | streuner | DedBobFan: asg told you |
| 14:05.42 | bomb | DedBobFan: i told you what to do. reconfigure X. |
| 14:06.01 | DedBobFan | bomb, i must have missed it |
| 14:06.10 | bomb | listen to asg |
| 14:06.18 | DedBobFan | i am a complete debian n00b, i dont really know where to start |
| 14:06.31 | streuner | !mousewheel |
| 14:06.31 | dpkg | Info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
| 14:06.57 | DedBobFan | dpkg, i will try that thank you ! |
| 14:06.58 | Mugsy_ | !sdl-config |
| 14:07.01 | fken | DedBobFan> the first step is the following : turn your computer on : and you success ! |
| 14:07.01 | streuner | DedBobFan: use an editor and edit the lines |
| 14:07.22 | asg | Py: you might try using autofs with a low timeout value (not 100% effective but might provide what you want) |
| 14:07.24 | Bimmerman | _eXoDuS, thanx |
| 14:07.33 | _eXoDuS | Bimmerman: np |
| 14:07.39 | fken | DedBobFan>do you already installed debian ? |
| 14:07.47 | DedBobFan | thanks everyone i am going to go try it |
| 14:07.59 | DedBobFan | fken, yes i did, i am on it right now |
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| 14:08.13 | nvz | I wish I had gone to a decent school I could have gotten through with some kind of education. Because I love learning and I would even more love to teach others. |
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| 14:08.56 | Py | asg: good idea, but quite overkill for my purpose |
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| 14:09.20 | Rizzer | nvz: not too late to continue learning, I should think :) |
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| 14:09.27 | reddi | hi, has anyone an idea how to start vncserver with kde instead of gnome? |
| 14:09.35 | asg | Py: yeah. If you are using umount manually, you could wrap it in a script and call sync manually from there I suppose. |
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| 14:09.49 | DedBobFan | YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE: is sarge more stable than suse 9.3? |
| 14:09.52 | Rizzer | nvz: and the school systems would love to have teachers who actually want to be there |
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| 14:10.16 | manu | bonjour tout le monde |
| 14:10.17 | asg | DedBobFan: I would say so. |
| 14:10.19 | asg | !fr |
| 14:10.19 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:10.30 | manu | oups sorry |
| 14:10.38 | nvz | our school was supposedly a good school, but they are full of shit. I watched them waste money on tearing up all the pavement and grass this summer and put it all back. nothing was wrong with it and nothing underneath got modified.. they just waste money so they can get more.. while I was there they didnt even have paper and pencils half the time.. yet they spend rediculous ammounts of money on raising their property value just so they can move |
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| 14:11.54 | cahoot | nvz: considered creating a blog? |
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| 14:12.11 | nvz | cahoot: yeah the thought was pitched at me many times |
| 14:12.25 | bbb | how could I make a host join a samba domain into samba 3 (how to deal with the disapperance of domain admin group from Samba 2). The samba howto does not explain that :-( |
| 14:12.35 | nvz | cahoot: can bring in money with my BS instead of telling you all eh? but where's the fun in that? |
| 14:12.40 | deepan | i get the error "consider using PASV" when i try to do a ftp.. |
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| 14:13.39 | fken | DedBobFan>more stable ? i dunno... What i know is that i first strat with Mandrake (Mandrake worked where Suse didnt) and then once i get linux debian i was under the charm |
| 14:13.54 | streuner | fken: he is gone. |
| 14:13.54 | nvz | cahoot: I've never seen a blog or know wtf one is really.. I just understand that its like a forum and that they can generate a lot of click-thru revenu |
| 14:14.04 | _Hug[o]_ | my fglrx module is loaded, however when I load it the picture looks quite distorted |
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| 14:14.54 | ma3x | will somebody please help me? |
| 14:14.57 | mick_home | hi everyone |
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| 14:14.59 | ma3x | i wasted 5 hours on this problem |
| 14:15.02 | ma3x | and still no solution |
| 14:15.13 | mick_home | anyone know what the status is of debian-jr? |
| 14:15.15 | Bimmerman | is there someway to execute fstab without rebooting? |
| 14:15.16 | streuner | ma3x: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 14:15.27 | streuner | Bimmerman: mount -a |
| 14:15.28 | nvz | Bimmerman: execute it? heh |
| 14:15.29 | fken | streuner>oups i was somewhere else |
| 14:15.31 | mick_home | the site isn't all too informative: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr/ |
| 14:15.33 | ma3x | streuner, not for sid, for stable |
| 14:15.42 | Bimmerman | nvz, yes i am a newbie |
| 14:15.49 | nvz | !newbie |
| 14:16.15 | dpkg | newbie is probably someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 14:16.15 | northbayrep | hey folks. where in file roller can i change the compression ratio? |
| 14:16.15 | mick_home | a lot of planning, but I don't see anything else |
| 14:16.15 | ma3x | streuner, installed a few ndiswrapper packages and now can't remove them |
| 14:16.15 | nvz | !n00b |
| 14:16.15 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 14:16.15 | fken | ma3x>i think my lags problems come from my cdrom |
| 14:16.26 | ma3x | fken, what lag? |
| 14:16.31 | streuner | ma3x: tell us the output in paster (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 14:16.35 | nvz | I didnt know you could change compression ratios |
| 14:16.37 | fken | ma3x> cpu usage |
| 14:16.49 | northbayrep | i'm trying to make an archive, but it's the same size as the contents. |
| 14:16.51 | fken | i had famd using 80% of the cpu |
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| 14:16.57 | nvz | you can do that when saving some image formats, though it causes data loss.. I imagin it does the same on any data |
| 14:17.01 | ma3x | streuner, its a long output and i'm not able to paste it now. But i can try to explain what happens |
| 14:17.07 | ma3x | streuner, may i explain? |
| 14:17.09 | fken | and a lot of simple appz required 1 minute to open |
| 14:17.18 | deeptaz | i want to create a user _flowd for my application flowd |
| 14:17.28 | nvz | certain types of data can be compressed differently compressing them any further causes data loss |
| 14:17.32 | streuner | ma3x: we need some infos, best would be you use the paster |
| 14:17.40 | deeptaz | how ever linux does not allow _ before username |
| 14:17.43 | northbayrep | ah, so because it's a windows exe it can't be compressed? |
| 14:17.45 | deeptaz | how do i achive this |
| 14:18.09 | asg | deeptaz: you can't. |
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| 14:18.35 | deeptaz | asg:a hint is been give to use vpiw |
| 14:18.43 | mick_home | this may seem OT, but does anyone here have kids (or younger siblings) |
| 14:18.44 | fken | ho can someone explain me how to get debootstrap ? |
| 14:18.45 | nvz | northbayrep: sure I can compress it, but you wont be able to use it anymore |
| 14:18.46 | deeptaz | i do not get y o i use it |
| 14:18.56 | mick_home | what apps are good for a 3 yr old |
| 14:19.00 | streuner | fken: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 14:19.01 | fken | or giving me a nice and usefull link |
| 14:19.07 | Ronin | mick_home: windows ;) |
| 14:19.12 | asg | deeptaz: yes but that might break things. |
| 14:19.15 | northbayrep | nvz, thanks, but it sort of defeats the purpose ;) |
| 14:19.34 | mick_home | Ronin: sorry, only Linux and Mac is allowed in my house and in my work |
| 14:19.39 | mick_home | ;-) |
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| 14:20.04 | mick_home | i checked out some cool apps from Tux4Kids etc. |
| 14:20.11 | fken | streuner>isnt debootstrap used to have 32bits emulation on a amd64? |
| 14:20.14 | northbayrep | can anyone give me some quick tips about networking my debian comp and my win98 laptop? |
| 14:20.14 | Pfated | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.19 | mick_home | but they are waaaay beyond what my lil brother could do |
| 14:20.22 | twentyone | tuxracer! |
| 14:20.29 | deeptaz | asg:it is very necessary for my app to create the user ...how will vpiw help me |
| 14:20.38 | northbayrep | what do i have to do on each of them so i can transfer files between them? |
| 14:20.49 | mick_home | Pfated: i tried that, but the hardware acceloration isn't that great on my Linux box |
| 14:20.50 | asg | deeptaz: you manually edit /etc/passwd (vipw provides some minimal locking) |
| 14:21.06 | streuner | fken: use pdo and search for debootstrap |
| 14:21.12 | nvz | northbayrep: install samba smbfs packages |
| 14:21.13 | Pfated | mick_home: <shrug> Can't think of much else ATM, sorry. |
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| 14:21.18 | Lilldude | samba transfer files |
| 14:21.25 | twentyone | you're a penguin gliding down an ice berg on your belly fat, kicking yourself along with your claws (as they actually do) and you have to do stunts and eat fish on your way |
| 14:21.25 | northbayrep | k. |
| 14:21.33 | nvz | northbayrep: on win98 you will need to install and enable Microsoft File Sharing |
| 14:21.34 | twentyone | runs in windows and linux |
| 14:21.36 | Rizzer | Bimmerman: "mount -a" remounts whatever is in fstab. read more with "man mount" |
| 14:21.42 | Py | asg: indeed I just made some trials with the -o sync flag, and it seems to have some influence: a 25megs file cp to an usb stick took 13secs to return without the flag, and with the -o sync flag it did take 2min37! |
| 14:21.47 | mick_home | on my Macs, i tried tux typing - really cool |
| 14:21.50 | shoust | hi, i have a problem with a half installed file that wont go away... |
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| 14:21.57 | asg | deeptaz: adduser also has a --force-badname option to bypass the restrictions. Honestly though, why are you doing this? |
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| 14:22.04 | fken | streuner>have you any link about pdo or debootstrap ? i dont like google today and i need some relying website |
| 14:22.05 | mick_home | since on Linux i was unsure if I'd have the same issues with tux racer |
| 14:22.09 | tomeklu | hi everyone :)) |
| 14:22.10 | northbayrep | nvz, thanks. |
| 14:22.11 | ma3x | streuner, are you there? |
| 14:22.13 | asg | Py: ah, interesting |
| 14:22.14 | nvz | twentyone: see also MTP Target, IIRC |
| 14:22.25 | ma3x | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/690 |
| 14:22.28 | tomeklu | i need help :) |
| 14:22.29 | mick_home | how about any app that will ask for a particular number |
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| 14:22.43 | deeptaz | asg:i have a application flowd when i start the service for this application it says |
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| 14:22.51 | streuner | fken: as i said use pdo to search for debootstrap (/msg dpkg debootstrap workaround) might help too |
| 14:22.57 | deeptaz | asg:privilege separation user _flowd doesn't exist |
| 14:22.57 | nvz | northbayrep: yeah no kidding. images and text can be highly compressed because they contain a lot of reduntant information. |
| 14:23.02 | mick_home | in a cutesy voice: "Can you find the number: 1" |
| 14:23.05 | Py | asg: by the way the stick used was formatted in fat16, to be more precise. I'll now try with some fat32 as it is more likely to be "real world" case |
| 14:23.24 | mick_home | in a cutesy voice: "Yay! great job!" |
| 14:23.27 | nvz | northbayrep: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_compression for details on how that works if you are confused. |
| 14:23.31 | fken | streuner>oh sorry i dont get the meaning of pdo |
| 14:23.31 | asg | deeptaz: does this app come with instructions that explain installation? |
| 14:23.32 | mick_home | that type of thing |
| 14:23.38 | asg | Py: ah, okay |
| 14:23.43 | deeptaz | asg:no |
| 14:23.43 | streuner | !tell fken about pdo |
| 14:23.50 | fken | thanks |
| 14:23.55 | tomeklu | could enyone help me? |
| 14:24.01 | tomeklu | anyone |
| 14:24.04 | mick_home | and whats up with like every 2nd edutainment distro being dead? |
| 14:24.06 | Zap-W | what should /etc/apt/apt.conf read in sarge ? |
| 14:24.13 | ma3x | is ndiswrapper included in the official cd-iso ? |
| 14:24.36 | deeptaz | asg:i did google this error which gave me the solution to create the user and a hint vpiw |
| 14:24.41 | asg | deeptaz: well, then use vipw or adduser --force-badname |
| 14:24.48 | mick_home | that includes Blue Linux, Debian Jr., _insert any other thing here_ |
| 14:25.05 | deeptaz | asg:let me try |
| 14:25.25 | ma3x | how do i see the content of the isos/ |
| 14:25.35 | ma3x | how do i know which package is included on which cd? |
| 14:25.37 | mick_home | ma3x: you can mount it |
| 14:25.39 | tomeklu | so, i'd like to upgrade kde3.3. to 3.4 |
| 14:25.48 | ma3x | mick_home, I am about to download it, i can't mount it! |
| 14:26.09 | streuner | ma3x: /msg dpkg content cd |
| 14:26.12 | tomeklu | how remove only kde without all the packages |
| 14:26.17 | mick_home | ma3x: oh, you want to find a particular package in an iso? |
| 14:26.23 | asg | streuner: cd contents |
| 14:26.36 | streuner | ma3x: ^^^ |
| 14:26.43 | mick_home | ma3x: like "which iso has XYZ package" |
| 14:26.44 | ma3x | streuner, what does ^^^ mean? |
| 14:26.48 | streuner | !cd contents |
| 14:26.48 | ma3x | mick_home, yes |
| 14:26.48 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. stew has created a searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 14:26.50 | asg | ma3x: it means look up |
| 14:26.51 | mick_home | ma3x: it means look up |
| 14:26.53 | streuner | ma3x: ^^^ |
| 14:26.56 | nvz | I just started thinking about how much reading we all do in #debian. On of my friends actually was joking around with me the other day and said I couldnt read. I told him I probably read more in a day than he read his entire life. |
| 14:26.56 | streuner | ma3x: this |
| 14:27.04 | shoust | how do i remove a package that isnt there... eg: "The package vmwareworkstation needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 14:27.04 | shoust | " |
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| 14:27.17 | mick_home | ma3x: there was a post on the debian dev list a few weeks ago, someone has a site that does that |
| 14:27.23 | mick_home | i forget though |
| 14:27.33 | mick_home | i was going to write a ff plugin for it |
| 14:27.36 | asg | shoust: apt-get remove --purge package or dpkg -P package |
| 14:27.44 | mick_home | let me check my bookmarks |
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| 14:28.10 | tomeklu | 4 example apt-get remove --purge kde ? |
| 14:28.14 | tomeklu | is this ok ? |
| 14:28.50 | Mugsy_ | Does anyone use aptitude? |
| 14:29.00 | ma3x | i'll wine |
| 14:29.01 | tomeklu | and after this k3b and other programs i use 'll stay ? |
| 14:29.05 | ma3x | I can't setup that ndiswrapper |
| 14:29.07 | ma3x | its so stupid |
| 14:29.23 | nvz | Mugsy_: do you think you could ask a question that would get you the information you seek? |
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| 14:30.07 | Mugsy_ | How do I clear aptitude of all the stuff its going to add/remove? |
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| 14:30.21 | nvz | Mugsy_: finding an aptitude user and clubbing them in the head and taking them back to your house to pick their brain won't work as well as just asking ;) |
| 14:30.23 | ma3x | streuner, did you look up that error i pasted? |
| 14:30.32 | asg | nvz: takatumi already told him twice |
| 14:30.41 | streuner | ma3x: man rm |
| 14:30.56 | northbayrep | nvz, now that i have this samba prog, how do i run it? |
| 14:31.07 | shoust | i did it, i got this error though, "dpkg: error processing vmwareworkstation (--purge):Package is in a very bad inconsistent state- you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.Errors were encountered while processing:vmwareworkstation" |
| 14:31.18 | ma3x | streuner, remove it manually? |
| 14:31.18 | Mugsy_ | what? |
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| 14:31.21 | streuner | ma3x: (back to your orginal question) |
| 14:31.54 | Mugsy_ | nvz, do you know the answer? |
| 14:32.03 | streuner | ma3x: well, those aren't any packages so it isn't part of debian's package system... |
| 14:32.12 | asg | shoust: dpkg -l vmwareworkstation (what does that print) |
| 14:32.19 | ma3x | streuner, i have installed the packages too |
| 14:32.36 | ma3x | streuner, for some reason when i type modprobe ndiswrapper it says fatal error: not found |
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| 14:32.45 | nvz | northbayrep: the method of accessing samba shares is just to mount them or browse them with a filemanager like you would in windows, or for serving directories you would edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and add the shares then start the server |
| 14:32.48 | ma3x | streuner, which means something's definitely wrong |
| 14:32.54 | streuner | ma3x: uhm, 2.6.11? |
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| 14:33.05 | ma3x | streuner, no, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:33.05 | asg | ma3x: did you use module-assistant to compile the ndiswrapper kernel module? |
| 14:33.19 | ma3x | asg, I tried that too and it's giving error. Let me try to remember the error |
| 14:33.24 | northbayrep | nvz, thanks |
| 14:33.34 | ma3x | asg, something about the compilation |
| 14:33.36 | asg | ma3x: don't try to remember errors, recreate them and paste them. |
| 14:33.48 | asg | ma3x: use paster if they are >3 lines |
| 14:33.52 | ma3x | asg, I can't. I'm now on sid. on sarge i can't get on the net |
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| 14:34.27 | streuner | ma3x: this make file use 2.6.11 kernelheaders and they aren't in sarge |
| 14:34.34 | shoust | i got this "Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold|Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)pHR vmwareworkstat 5.0.0-13125" |
| 14:34.52 | streuner | asg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/690 |
| 14:34.57 | jelly | WTF is vmwareworkstat? |
| 14:35.08 | ma3x | streuner, I might extracted the sid package for sarge and then compiled |
| 14:35.25 | nvz | Mugsy_: you may mean Control+U but I dont know.. what you specifically said is just insane.. you do not want to clear all package states |
| 14:35.29 | ma3x | streuner, can I use dpkg somehow on my mounter sarge partition now? |
| 14:35.35 | ma3x | streuner, then I could paste the erros |
| 14:36.00 | ma3x | streuner, or somehow launch module assistant and make it read the mounted sarge partition. Possible or not? |
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| 14:36.13 | Stealth_L | when i try to umount my iPod, it says device is busy... there is no program (as far as i know) that has access to it. what can i do? |
| 14:36.39 | nvz | Stealth_L: do you use kde? |
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| 14:36.50 | jelly | shoust: your third party packages scripts have failed in the middle of configuration. dpkg's output "R" (in "pHR") suggests reinstalling. |
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| 14:37.37 | ma3x | ok why is this so ****ing impossible |
| 14:37.45 | shoust | i try reinstalling and really doesnt help |
| 14:37.46 | Stealth_L | nvz: yes |
| 14:37.51 | ma3x | I just want to have sarge and install ndiswrapper |
| 14:37.53 | nvz | Stealth_L: do you use sarge? |
| 14:37.56 | shoust | same error appears |
| 14:37.58 | Stealth_L | yes |
| 14:38.03 | ma3x | The hell why is it so complicated |
| 14:38.04 | streuner | ma3x: YOU can't take a package out of stable and use it for stable |
| 14:38.08 | nvz | Stealth_L: there is a nasty bug in konqueror that effects all removable media |
| 14:38.15 | Stealth_L | hmm |
| 14:38.31 | Stealth_L | so close konq. and try again? |
| 14:38.37 | ma3x | streuner, i can explain, will you follow me? |
| 14:38.38 | nvz | Stealth_L: if you have accessed the ipod with konqueror you will have to killall famd killall konqueror, killall kdeinit |
| 14:38.46 | streuner | ma3x: no |
| 14:38.52 | Dracka | What are source-routed packets? |
| 14:38.55 | Stealth_L | hmm |
| 14:38.56 | streuner | ma3x: that's a fact |
| 14:38.59 | ma3x | streuner, i want to explain what exactly im trying to do |
| 14:39.03 | Mugsy_ | No, I just want to clear all the packages that are waiting to be downloaded |
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| 14:39.16 | Stealth_L | nvz: what is famd |
| 14:39.17 | Stealth_L | ? |
| 14:39.17 | streuner | ma3x: you want compile ndiswrapper package? |
| 14:39.24 | nvz | Stealth_L: file alteration monitor |
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| 14:39.54 | ma3x | streuner, I want to 1. install stable (for 2nd time) 2. I have no internet (I have to install ndiswrapper in order to use wlan0). |
| 14:39.56 | Stealth_L | nvz: do those commands have and (negative) effect on the KDE? |
| 14:40.02 | Maulkin | Dracka: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cisco-networking-faq/section-23.html |
| 14:40.16 | nvz | Stealth_L: who knows :P did you access the ipod with konqueror? |
| 14:40.22 | Stealth_L | yes |
| 14:40.32 | ma3x | streuner, This is what I did: 1. downloaded all the deps packages from sid (for stable of course) and then copied/installed them on sarge. But something's wrong |
| 14:40.54 | nvz | Stealth_L: then you are experiencing a known bug that has been fixed upstream. Konqueror ties up any removable media an will not let it be unmounted |
| 14:41.23 | ma3x | streuner, namely dpkg - it's saying, it wants ndiswrapper-modules1.1 to be installed (virtual package?) |
| 14:41.25 | Stealth_L | nvz: would it help if i installed a unstable/testing version of the kde package? |
| 14:41.30 | jelly | shoust: can I see some output from the installation? I'd like to know where does it break, so you can put "exit 0" into the relevant scripts and make it think it didn't break. |
| 14:41.35 | ma3x | streuner, so how can i install it if it does not exist?? |
| 14:41.37 | nvz | Stealth_L: only thing you can do is upgrade to KDE 3.4 or quit using konqueror on removable media |
| 14:41.48 | nvz | !info kdelibs testing |
| 14:41.53 | ma3x | streuner, despite ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686 are already installed |
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| 14:42.03 | dpkg | kdelibs: (KDE core libraries metapackage), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-6.1 (etch), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 14:42.09 | nvz | Stealth_L: 3.4 doesnt seem to be in testing yet |
| 14:42.20 | jelly | shoust: don't paste here, /msg dpkg paster |
| 14:42.24 | Stealth_L | hmm |
| 14:42.30 | Stealth_L | so install it manually? |
| 14:43.19 | nvz | Stealth_L: I think its in sid.. but I wouldnt recommend upgrading to sid for something so stupid especially if you are not an experience user familiar with preventing and fixing broken package situations and using the BTS and mailing lists |
| 14:43.26 | nvz | !info kdelibs sid |
| 14:43.29 | dpkg | kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 14:43.50 | Dracka | Maulkin: Thank you. |
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| 14:44.21 | ma3x | streuner, in the meantime if you answer me this question, then i have everything solved and will work my way out of this: How can I download all the dependencies and packages for ndiswrapper for a newly installed sarge (basic inst) |
| 14:44.22 | Stealth_L | nvz: ok, thanks a lot |
| 14:44.26 | schurro | hi folks |
| 14:44.40 | Stealth_L | nvz: i think ill have to live with the bug for now ;) |
| 14:44.42 | Dracka | Maulkin: Q: Is Source-routing used in/over internet? |
| 14:44.51 | nvz | Stealth_L: knowing is half the battle |
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| 14:45.27 | streuner | ma3x: Why do you think you need WLAN to connect your debian box? |
| 14:45.37 | Stealth_L | nvz: true... thanks again |
| 14:45.42 | nvz | Stealth_L: you can still unmount it you just have to fight with KDE killing all kinds of stuff. or remember that if you plan on unmounting something not to open that mount point in konqueror |
| 14:45.42 | fken | good bye |
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| 14:45.47 | ma3x | streuner, wlan is my only connection |
| 14:45.49 | schurro | does nayone know what's the reason that 'x-windows-system-core' pkg is held back despite everything else being updated to X.org? |
| 14:46.16 | streuner | ma3x: how are you connected to i-net? |
| 14:46.36 | Maulkin | Dracka: Read the FAQ :) |
| 14:46.44 | nvz | schurro: its a metapackage |
| 14:46.55 | gravity | schurro: Do you have aptitude set to use recommends as depends? |
| 14:46.56 | ma3x | streuner, hausmeister has adsl, and i have wlan. so i go via the AP |
| 14:47.08 | nvz | !+info x-window-system-core sid |
| 14:47.14 | dpkg | x-window-system-core: (X Window System core components), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 168 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 14:47.18 | Maulkin | Dracka: or search google for "Source routed packets" |
| 14:47.38 | streuner | ma3x: what kind of wlan card is this? |
| 14:47.40 | nvz | hmm though it actually exists in sid. |
| 14:47.41 | bomb | heh what is the #debian_ channel all about |
| 14:47.46 | bomb | i just saw that |
| 14:47.49 | schurro | gravity: hi, dunno, i only use apt-get and soentimes kpackage to do that. STH else, i just submited that "TYPO bug" in xorg.conf via reportbug :-) |
| 14:47.56 | gravity | Heh, ok |
| 14:48.00 | gravity | Oh, that was you? Cool. |
| 14:48.10 | gravity | Thanks for actually submitting that instead of sending it to the bts |
| 14:48.12 | schurro | nvz: is it o.k to then force the upgrade of that pkg, via kpakage e.g.? |
| 14:48.18 | gravity | Er... s/the bts/my blog/ |
| 14:48.38 | ma3x | streuner, not sure about the chipset (i think its acx100), and the card is usr 5410. I tried to load the acx100 drivers using module-assistant, but then didn't know nothing about the firmware. I have a lack of knowledge there. |
| 14:48.42 | nvz | bomb: its #debian for sissy whiners from what I can gather from doing /topic #debian_ |
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| 14:49.05 | bomb | word |
| 14:49.06 | nvz | schurro: its ok to not install it and forget about it :P |
| 14:49.35 | schurro | nvz: i am jus twondering because the version nu ber chnged a lot from 4.2.somthing to 6.8.something now. |
| 14:49.36 | regin | how do i change the screen resolution on Debian |
| 14:49.38 | streuner | ma3x: we need detailed about infos |
| 14:49.40 | nvz | schurro: at least it was in sarge.. gravity may know better than me on X.org but in sarge it was just to pull in other packages and contained nothing |
| 14:49.50 | streuner | ma3x: s/about/ / |
| 14:49.54 | schurro | nvz: this is testing here |
| 14:50.04 | nvz | hmm, xorg is in testing now?! |
| 14:50.05 | Dracka | Maulkin, yeah, I did read. Should I disable source-routing then? Is it used to anything else than abusing? Im just wondering about this.. Should I disable it or not |
| 14:50.11 | ma3x | streuner, I told you about the card, what else do you need to know? |
| 14:50.16 | schurro | nvz: yah i guess isnce 2 days |
| 14:50.24 | gravity | Heh |
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| 14:50.55 | streuner | ma3x: <ma3x> streuner, not sure about the chipset (i think its acx100) <-- you believe, you doesn't know it for sure... |
| 14:51.07 | Mugsy_ | I got a whole bunch of crap that I dont want aptitude to download, how do I stop it? |
| 14:51.15 | gravity | q |
| 14:51.23 | gravity | Mugsy_: Hit 'q' |
| 14:51.30 | ma3x | streuner, it is acx100 |
| 14:51.38 | jelly | Mugsy_: Ctrl-C? ;-) |
| 14:51.51 | nvz | DoppelGanger: I thought about it.. but screw it.. let the sissies have their channel better off they arent in here crying like little cry babies |
| 14:52.10 | DoppelGanger | :) |
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| 14:52.48 | jelly | Mugsy_: seriously, if those are dependencies, you can't do much. If those are Recommends, don't use that option. |
| 14:52.59 | DWoodley | hello |
| 14:53.02 | schurro | is there a way to "holler" at the developers about pushing pkgs into testing, espeicially those that languish in 'unstable" forever? |
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| 14:53.22 | ma3x | streuner, what exactly means firmware. Does it mean, the windows drivers? |
| 14:53.29 | nvz | schurro: the maintainers email address is in the package info |
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| 14:53.48 | Maulkin | Dracka: I can't tell you that, it's a decision you need to make :) Have you seen any legitamate ones? |
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| 14:54.15 | Rizzer | schurro: no, propagation from unstable to testing is automatic. Unless you mean there's a release critical bug stopping it, which the maintainer is not dealing with |
| 14:54.19 | jelly | Maulkin: for that matter, have you ever seen someone using source-routed packets ever? |
| 14:54.22 | streuner | ma3x: http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:54.34 | anakinskywalker | how to install creative vibra 128 in debian sarge |
| 14:54.40 | ma3x | streuner, i am there already |
| 14:55.12 | ma3x | streuner, the bloody howto page wont open |
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| 14:55.23 | streuner | ma3x: true :-) |
| 14:55.25 | nvz | anakinskywalker: what does lspci | grep udio say? |
| 14:55.27 | Mugsy_ | How do I get sdl-config |
| 14:55.37 | sleon | !+find keysymdef.h |
| 14:55.38 | anakinskywalker | ok |
| 14:55.38 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:55.42 | anakinskywalker | for a while |
| 14:55.43 | sleon | i love you dpkg |
| 14:55.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'keysymdef.h' (3): (/usr/X11R6/include/X11/keysymdef.h) in libdevel/x-dev ;; (/usr/lib/oo2c/X11/obj/Xkeysymdef.h) in libdevel/libooc-x11-dev ;; (/usr/lib/TenDRA/lib/include/x5/lib.api/X11/keysymdef.h) in devel/tendra. |
| 14:55.53 | schurro | rizzer: exactly, that's the case... there is 1 RC bug but the maint says to ignore it, but still it is not moved further, dasrn! |
| 14:56.13 | anakinskywalker | obiwan:/etc/alsa# lspci | grep audio |
| 14:56.14 | anakinskywalker | 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs Ectiva EV1938 |
| 14:56.17 | nvz | grep -i audio works too, but its extra typing |
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| 14:56.26 | Rizzer | schurro: then tell him to downgrade it from RC, if it's ignorable |
| 14:56.37 | Maulkin | jelly: I use them a fair amount for diagnostics, but never for usual stuff. So 'in the wild', no :) |
| 14:56.41 | nvz | I didnt say audio for a reason.. some cards have Audio instead |
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| 14:57.00 | Rizzer | RC = not fit for release = not fit for testing |
| 14:57.07 | jelly | Maulkin: so there's the answer for the inquisitive user. ;-) |
| 14:57.07 | anakinskywalker | what should i do now? |
| 14:57.08 | streuner | ma3x: http://www.ivor.it/wireless/acx.html |
| 14:58.09 | streuner | ma3x: at the bottom is a link (HOWTO) in text form |
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| 14:59.07 | sleon | !+find libX11.so |
| 14:59.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:59.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libX11.so' (3): (/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so) in libdevel/libx11-dev ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/{libX11.so.6|libX11.so.6.2}) in libs/libx11-6 ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/debug/{libX11.so.6|libX11.so.6.2}) in libdevel/libx11-6-dbg. |
| 14:59.17 | sleon | good dpkg |
| 14:59.24 | jelly | How do I tell dpkg to update a factoid, I want to s/// something. |
| 14:59.29 | ma3x | streuner, i'll take a look at that too. now im at http://stef.tvk.rwth-aachen.de/~nazgul/debian/DWL-650+_Howto.html |
| 14:59.36 | ma3x | gotta unload ndis for a sec |
| 14:59.37 | ma3x | brb |
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| 14:59.45 | streuner | jelly: infobot.org |
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| 15:00.32 | jelly | streuner: thanks |
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| 15:01.17 | Langly1 | ok im getting annoying looking for it, tried many things ive found with google without them working , whats the package for "x.org" with apt-get |
| 15:01.23 | Langly1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.23 | Langly1 | xserver-xorg |
| 15:01.34 | Langly1 | Didnt work |
| 15:01.36 | gravity | x-window-system |
| 15:01.44 | sleon | dpkg is the best |
| 15:01.53 | Langly1 | thx |
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| 15:02.16 | juxmen | ma3x are u studying at rwth? |
| 15:02.20 | Langly1 | wtf couldnt find package x-windows-system |
| 15:02.24 | Langly1 | now im mad |
| 15:02.25 | gravity | uh |
| 15:02.27 | juxmen | streuner: do u study at rwth? |
| 15:02.35 | streuner | juxmen: surely not, he is from .ch |
| 15:02.36 | gravity | Langly1: That's a standard package. |
| 15:02.41 | streuner | juxmen: no |
| 15:02.46 | juxmen | I do :) |
| 15:02.46 | takatumi | Langly1: window now windows |
| 15:02.53 | takatumi | s/now/not |
| 15:02.53 | bomb | it's x-window-system |
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| 15:03.05 | gravity | Ugh... sorry. Typo. |
| 15:03.14 | takatumi | gravity: you had it right. :P |
| 15:03.19 | Bimmerman | this is a real newbie questin, but how do i close x and get out to console? |
| 15:03.20 | Langly1 | what should I use with apt-get, before something like xserver-blah worked, but not now |
| 15:03.27 | Langly1 | that was before with that bad disk |
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| 15:04.05 | bomb | what are you talking about, dude |
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| 15:04.41 | Bimmerman | excuse me, this is a real newbie question, but how do i close x and get out to console? |
| 15:04.52 | bomb | Bimmerman: exit out or Ctrl + Alt + Backspace |
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| 15:05.12 | Faust | cntrl-alt-F1 |
| 15:05.17 | cahoot | Bimmerman: unless you started xdm or such |
| 15:05.20 | Bimmerman | bomb, does that shut down x? i tryed exit but it only closes the terminal |
| 15:05.23 | nvz | anakinskywalker: I cant find that specifically on alsa-project website.. try the ens1371 or es1371 driver would be my best guess |
| 15:05.23 | positrix | Bimmerman: Ctrl+alt+f<1-6> if you just want a console |
| 15:05.43 | bomb | Bimmerman: you may have to remove gdm/xdm first |
| 15:05.56 | nvz | anakinskywalker: unless you know more about it or want to dig deeper with lspci find maybe a chipset or a date.. soemthing |
| 15:06.09 | Bimmerman | bmob, but it should be so hard just to stop x |
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| 15:06.33 | Langly1 | I am getting alot of apt-get install xserver-xorg but that doesnt work, is there a .deb package I can use, or should i just use the .tar.gx for .xorg |
| 15:06.36 | Bimmerman | bomb, i tryed to kill gnome, but exen that doesent work |
| 15:06.39 | pkern | Is there a Gnome equivalent of a music player which is as cool as amaroK? |
| 15:07.09 | gravity | Langly1: apt-get install x-window-system should work for you. |
| 15:07.15 | streuner | pkern: try cdcd |
| 15:07.19 | gravity | Langly1: If it doesn't, you'd better fix that issue first |
| 15:07.19 | bomb | Bimmerman: if your system boots straight into a graphical login screen you need to remove gdm/xdm by running 'update-rc.d -f gdm remove' |
| 15:07.22 | sward | pkern: As cool as? No, though you can give rhythmbox a try |
| 15:07.35 | pkern | sward: Rhythmbox is too crashy ;) |
| 15:07.36 | Langly1 | there we go |
| 15:07.38 | Langly1 | thats workin |
| 15:07.52 | streuner | pkern: besides, what's wrong with xmms? |
| 15:07.57 | Langly1 | Once I get X in ill be using fluxbox for a wm |
| 15:08.00 | pkern | It's just cool to receive covers and lyrics just fine from within the application. |
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| 15:08.07 | Py | asg: despite the man page content, the -o sync flag definitely has an influence on fat32 as well: without this flag: cp a 25megs file took 20s, subsequent unmounting 23s; with it: copying the same file took 24m45s (!!) and 0.388s to unmount |
| 15:08.09 | Bimmerman | bmob, does that remove the automatic booting to x? i still want that on |
| 15:08.09 | Langly1 | not going with a desktop enviroment, just a wm |
| 15:08.10 | Faust | rhythmbox on ppc is pretty stable |
| 15:08.16 | pkern | streuner: Yeah why not openbox instead of Gnome ;) |
| 15:08.26 | sward | pkern: Ever heard of plugins? |
| 15:08.29 | pkern | Faust: It crashed when I plugged an iPod in. |
| 15:08.38 | streuner | pkern: heh, don't tell me ;-) |
| 15:08.39 | bomb | Bimmerman: all that command does is prevent gdm from starting up, you'll have to type "startx" to start an X session |
| 15:08.39 | Langly1 | considering im installing on a p233 laptop, I need to keep the power usage down |
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| 15:08.45 | Py | asg: so it seems it actually works in a real sync mode, but the slowness implied make its use quite questionable... |
| 15:08.45 | Langly1 | thx guys bbl |
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| 15:08.51 | pkern | streuner: :D |
| 15:08.59 | ma3x | streuner, I made the f**ker!! |
| 15:09.04 | pkern | sward: Plugins for rhythmbox? No not really, what kind of plugins are there? |
| 15:09.10 | manuelmagic | ciao a tutti |
| 15:09.14 | sward | pkern: No, xmms |
| 15:09.17 | streuner | ma3x: you are fast :-) |
| 15:09.21 | manuelmagic | qualcuno sa consigliarmi un buon programma di rubrica per linux... |
| 15:09.24 | ma3x | streuner, i had to rename to all caps TIACX111.BIN |
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| 15:09.31 | nvz | I've never seen a helicopter like that one before.. the air force base over the hill doesnt have helos that small and neither do the news crews |
| 15:09.32 | manuelmagic | una cosa semplice che esporti in vcard ecc. |
| 15:09.37 | streuner | !it |
| 15:09.38 | dpkg | i guess italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 15:09.38 | pkern | sward: Yeah ok... There are plenty of plugins, but I doubt that I'll get the functionality that I just saw in amaroK ;) |
| 15:09.50 | Bimmerman | bomb, but i still want gdm to start up, i just want to close x temporarily so i can update nivida drivers!? |
| 15:10.02 | gravity | Bimmerman: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 15:10.03 | ma3x | streuner, now, I have the package file, im gonna install it on sarge. Do you know if that single package file has any dependencies? |
| 15:10.12 | ma3x | streuner, how can i check the deps of a local .deb file? |
| 15:10.15 | pkern | sward: Rhythmbox in better would be nice, but Banshee isn't quite done. ;) |
| 15:10.17 | Bimmerman | gravity, but does that close x or is x still running? |
| 15:10.20 | gravity | Bimmerman: You can install the drivers, then do ctrl-alt-backspace and X will reload |
| 15:10.38 | Bimmerman | ok il try that |
| 15:10.40 | streuner | ma3x: by installing via apt-get or dpkg package system would tell you... |
| 15:10.42 | Bimmerman | gravity, thanx |
| 15:10.44 | gravity | Bimmerman: It closes it. gdm/kdm/xdm will restart it afterwards for you. It'll reload with the new drivers if you've installed them |
| 15:10.47 | gravity | No problem |
| 15:10.51 | Bimmerman | bomb, thanx |
| 15:10.58 | ma3x | streuner, what do i type with dpkg to show the deps of /usr/src/acx100-2.6.11-1-686_0.2.0pre8+57-1+2.6.11-7_i386.deb |
| 15:11.03 | bomb | anytime, pal. |
| 15:11.11 | Faust | Bimerman: These are all questions you can read about. read http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#dselect |
| 15:11.24 | pkern | ma3x, dpkg -I <deb> |
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| 15:11.31 | streuner | ma3x: just try to install it |
| 15:11.32 | bomb | yo how do i file or report a bug if my box locks up so bad i have to force a reboot |
| 15:11.39 | bomb | i can't even kill X to get back into console |
| 15:12.00 | gravity | bomb: Are you using the proprietary nvidia or ati drivers? |
| 15:12.04 | bomb | nope |
| 15:12.10 | bomb | let me tell you exactly what is happening |
| 15:12.35 | bomb | etch on the 2.6.11-1-386 kernel and obviously xorg |
| 15:12.43 | bomb | i am trying to play this game called gl-117 |
| 15:12.50 | bomb | every time i start it, it runs for about three seconds |
| 15:12.53 | bomb | then it locks up |
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| 15:13.11 | bomb | i can't even use the power button |
| 15:13.14 | gravity | bomb: Send a bug report to xserver-xorg using reportbug |
| 15:13.18 | bomb | i have to shut down at the power supply |
| 15:13.26 | bomb | ok thanks |
| 15:13.34 | gravity | bomb: Holding the power button for a few seconds will also work |
| 15:13.39 | britt | hello, i need some help... how do i reinstall grub to a debian install using either the debian netboot CD or knoppix? |
| 15:13.40 | bomb | nah mate |
| 15:13.44 | ma3x | streuner, thanks a lot |
| 15:13.46 | ma3x | reboot time |
| 15:13.53 | bomb | i held it in for longer then 30 seconds just to be sure |
| 15:13.58 | gravity | Wow |
| 15:14.00 | bomb | it locks up bad |
| 15:14.00 | nvz | helps to have a machine to try and ssh in to make sure its locked up and not just the video card or input devices |
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| 15:14.17 | bomb | i'm running a sapphire radeon 9000, nothing special |
| 15:14.20 | bomb | which is weird |
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| 15:15.22 | rainmaker | is there a way to remove evolution without removing gnome? lol |
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| 15:15.39 | gravity | rainmaker: apt-get remove (or purge, depending) evolution |
| 15:15.53 | nvz | britt: you can mount the root partition then chroot it to run grub-install |
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| 15:16.17 | orlaqp | I need some help with my debian sarge |
| 15:16.19 | Maulkin | bomb: When you get the boot prompt, type rescue |
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| 15:16.32 | Maulkin | ack... britt : When you get the boot prompt, type rescue |
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| 15:16.40 | Maulkin | britt: that will give you a shell |
| 15:16.43 | nvz | orlaqp: good for you.. so do several hundred other people |
| 15:16.44 | rainmaker | gravity, well it says gnome depends on it and it will be removed as well |
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| 15:17.01 | nvz | orlaqp: try being more specific or you aren't likely to get any help |
| 15:17.01 | God | 'lo, all. |
| 15:17.11 | gravity | rainmaker: That's probably just the metapackage. |
| 15:17.14 | God | How can I get a list of all possible values for 'Option "Xkblayout"' in xorg.conf? |
| 15:17.20 | orlaqp | I have a Intel 845G |
| 15:17.23 | sward | rainmaker: That gname pac.. what gravity said |
| 15:17.23 | nvz | God: what's up. I've got a bone to pick with you.. some things I dont like about your work.. heh |
| 15:17.29 | God | ;) |
| 15:17.30 | britt | nvz its already mounted i tried to chroot it per a HOWTO and it said that it didnt recognize my filesystem or soemthing |
| 15:17.33 | orlaqp | and I can't get more resolution than 640x... |
| 15:18.02 | gravity | God: You can check /etc/X11/xkb |
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| 15:18.10 | bomb | orlaqp: try reconfiguring X and selecting larger resolutions |
| 15:18.12 | God | gravity: Thank you. |
| 15:18.18 | nvz | britt: chroot has nothing at all to do with filesystems that I can see |
| 15:18.38 | britt | nvz i'm equally confused |
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| 15:18.42 | britt | let me try again |
| 15:18.49 | orlaqp | I tried already |
| 15:18.58 | shoust | i cant install packages by apt-get anymore :-| |
| 15:19.02 | nvz | britt: try just booting with a kernel param then linux root=/dev/hda1 or whatever to boot directly into your installation |
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| 15:19.22 | britt | nvz okay |
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| 15:19.49 | orlaqp | any suggestions?? |
| 15:19.57 | britt | nvz i'll be back if it dont work |
| 15:19.59 | nvz | dpkg, any ideas? |
| 15:20.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and 42 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 15:20.11 | mfrisch_ | is there a .config sanity checker for kernel source? |
| 15:20.22 | bomb | orlaqp: i just told you what to try |
| 15:20.35 | bomb | orlaqp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:20.38 | bomb | err |
| 15:20.41 | bomb | dpkg |
| 15:20.42 | God | mfrisch_: Some people like to call them cerebrums. |
| 15:20.46 | shoust | i cant get rid of vmwareworkstation when it asks me to reinstall (tried that still errors) plus i get the could'nt stat source package error again |
| 15:20.47 | Sara | Hi there, maybe someone can help me out. I bought a Sony Vaio PCG-GRT715M and want to install Debian on it. So I got a boot CD, but in the "Choose language"-screen, my keyboard does not react anymore |
| 15:20.56 | bomb | . |
| 15:20.58 | bomb | trippy |
| 15:21.04 | orlaqp | yes I tried to reconfigurate the sfree86 but didn't work |
| 15:21.05 | bomb | my screen is wigging out |
| 15:21.10 | nvz | orlaqp: could be anything misconfiguration, lack of video memory, display or adapter capabilities.. or any combination of the preceending |
| 15:21.22 | Sara | I found two websites with tips how to work around it (try alt+f2, try pressing capslock all the time while loading linux), but that does not work |
| 15:21.35 | orlaqp | The same thing with Fedora and Mandriva |
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| 15:22.01 | orlaqp | I can't get more resolution with onne distribution |
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| 15:22.08 | cahoot | Sara: tuxmobil.org might be of use |
| 15:22.08 | mfrisch_ | God I thinks mine is ok, just thought I ask. THANKS |
| 15:22.24 | nvz | Sara: what "boot cd" are you using and this is the keyboard on your laptop? |
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| 15:22.58 | nvz | Sara: have you tried with a different kernel? |
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| 15:23.11 | God | mfrisch_: np |
| 15:23.16 | Caelum | how do I tell route that all traffic on the 192.168.0.0 network should go over eth1? eth1=192.168.0.40 and the only ifc on that net |
| 15:23.18 | Sara | nvz: I downloaded http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ -> businesscard; no, this is my normal pc |
| 15:23.26 | bhanu | hi i am having problem using microsoft access the database thing i know that this is not the channel for this but i have tried all the sources that ms has but none helped |
| 15:23.28 | orlaqp | I think nobody has a solution for me no? |
| 15:23.31 | bhanu | so i have some here |
| 15:23.38 | Sara | nvz: I wanted to find out if I can do it with this one first |
| 15:23.43 | nvz | Sara: so its a desktop.. what kind of keyboard is it? PS/2, USB... ? |
| 15:23.52 | nvz | Sara: there is more than one kernel on the CD |
| 15:23.54 | plb | hm new bmp looks pretty nice |
| 15:23.58 | Sara | nvz: no usb here, else i would have tried |
| 15:24.15 | nvz | Sara: you can boot with linux26 to try the 2.6 kernel instead of the 2.4 one |
| 15:24.17 | Sara | nvz: Im a noob, first installation tries... |
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| 15:24.23 | bhanu | the problem is this: i have made a report which looks like a page header followed by a few more headers and then the page footer |
| 15:24.23 | nvz | Sara: that doesnt answer my question |
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| 15:24.33 | Sara | nvz: Its a ps/2 |
| 15:24.41 | rainmaker | why cant i remove evolution? i tried and it starting to remove whole gnome... its freakin redicilous |
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| 15:25.01 | nvz | Sara: and its a regular desktop? not some laptop or super-compact space-aged thing? |
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| 15:25.30 | Sara | nvz: how can I select a different kernel? - Im on my desktop right now, but my laptop is making problems |
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| 15:25.55 | Mugsy_ | Could someone please tell me how to stop aptitude from downloading files |
| 15:25.59 | rainmaker | why cant i remove evolution? i tried and it starting to remove whole gnome... its freakin redicilous |
| 15:26.01 | nvz | Sara: from the boot: prompt you type linux26 and hit enter to boot. |
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| 15:26.15 | Dracka | Sara, prolly if you have different kernels in your bootloader |
| 15:26.25 | nvz | Sara: you are giving me information about the PC you are installing debian on right? cause you are now clearly talking about two pcs. |
| 15:26.42 | nvz | Sara: I dont care what kind of keyboard or pcs you have.. just which one you are currently seeking debian support on |
| 15:27.22 | nvz | Dracka: there is no bootloader, this is all pre-install follow along or stfu ;) |
| 15:27.24 | jelly | Mugsy_: you can try aptitude hold <stuff> if you can't get anything else to work. |
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| 15:27.35 | rainmaker | is there a way to remove evolution without removing gnome? |
| 15:27.41 | Sara | nvz: laptop keyboard |
| 15:27.50 | bomb | is this channel going in circles or is it just me |
| 15:27.56 | Sara | nvz: trying to install debian on a laptop |
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| 15:28.10 | Minase | is lame not in debian? apt-cache search -n lame doesn't seem to bring anything up... i have main, contrib, and non-free in my sources... |
| 15:28.20 | jelly | bomb: It's always like that. |
| 15:28.21 | Sara | nvz: when booting I have the option f1 for help or enter to boot - no possibility to choose kernel |
| 15:28.26 | Soeki | hi |
| 15:28.30 | Minase | (well, it brings stuff up, just not lame itself) |
| 15:28.37 | nvz | Sara: you didnt read the install guide or listen to what I said |
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| 15:28.43 | Soeki | what shell irc client should i use on debian sarge? |
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| 15:29.01 | jelly | Minase: /msg dpkg lame |
| 15:29.02 | Phated | irssi. |
| 15:29.04 | nvz | Sara: you are at a blank Boot: prompt that when yuo press enter defaults to Linux as the boot command. you type linux26 then hit enter |
| 15:29.07 | bomb | Sara: after you hit F1 you can hit F3 to enter the special boot methods menu |
| 15:29.16 | jelly | Minase: then /msg dpkg marillat ;-) |
| 15:29.23 | mick_home | ok, i'm back |
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| 15:29.34 | mick_home | i didn't find that one package search site |
| 15:29.36 | winter_ | hi all |
| 15:29.41 | mick_home | it is somewhere on p.d.o |
| 15:29.46 | goccia | irssi ? for beautiful people only ... |
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| 15:29.57 | Sara | nvz: thanks a lot! - stupid me, huh? |
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| 15:30.01 | mick_home | it was mentioned on the debian weekly news |
| 15:30.09 | mick_home | anyone know what i'm talking about? |
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| 15:30.18 | jelly | goccia: wouldn't that make it non-free. Restrictions on use. |
| 15:30.20 | mick_home | at this point i'd like to find the link |
| 15:30.26 | britt | nvz no beans |
| 15:30.27 | Minase | jelly: ah... is that due to the MPEG licence then? but that's kind of strange seeing as there is other mpeg stuff in debian... |
| 15:30.29 | rainmaker | is there a way to remove evolution without removing gnome? |
| 15:30.32 | Minase | mlar |
| 15:30.36 | britt | nvz got a kernel panic |
| 15:30.37 | winter_ | I've got a problem here... How can I install/start/configure mySQL on Debian Sarge?!? |
| 15:30.42 | eddyp | any idea why I get an error about unknown mime types each time I want to open a file from KDE? |
| 15:30.44 | Sara | bomb: you too |
| 15:30.48 | goccia | jelly: lame ? compile and ripp at leasure ... |
| 15:30.49 | nvz | britt: whats the big picture here.. what happened? |
| 15:30.52 | mick_home | it isn't in my bookmarks.html file, and I grepped my emails... I just don't seem to find that link |
| 15:30.52 | britt | winter_ use phpmyadmin |
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| 15:30.54 | eddyp | s#KDE#KDE apps# |
| 15:31.01 | jelly | Minase: I don't really know why either, but this is the current situation. |
| 15:31.16 | Soeki | irssi only? |
| 15:31.17 | britt | nvz used the debian CD entered "linux root=dev/hda5" |
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| 15:31.20 | jelly | goccia: irssi, "for beautiful people" |
| 15:31.35 | nvz | britt: no. no.. before all that..what made you want to reinstall grub |
| 15:31.41 | winter_ | britt, I've got to start mySQL first, right? |
| 15:31.46 | britt | nvz booted and dumped out with a kernel panic--saying that it couldnt read that partition |
| 15:31.49 | goccia | jelly: ahh : so join in the chant :) |
| 15:31.50 | rainmaker | is there a way to remove evolution without removing gnome? |
| 15:31.54 | nvz | britt: I need to zoom out and see what is really going on |
| 15:31.59 | sward | rainmaker: No, there isn't, at least not without removing the metapackage (read "fake package") |
| 15:31.59 | britt | winter_ apt-get install mysql-server |
| 15:32.21 | winter_ | britt, thak you very very very much!!! |
| 15:32.23 | rainmaker | rainmaker, i tried apt-get remove evolution and it started to remove gnome |
| 15:32.25 | positrix | rainmaker: apt-get remove evolution ? |
| 15:32.27 | rainmaker | not some "fake package" |
| 15:32.36 | sward | rainmaker: You can, however, keep all the GNOME related packages |
| 15:32.41 | britt | winter_ no problem....first time i've actually helped anybody! you made my day :) |
| 15:32.49 | sward | Hold them! |
| 15:32.54 | rainmaker | sward how? |
| 15:32.54 | nvz | britt: I am not speaking of your attempts to install grub.. I am asking you specifically what made you come in here and ask for help on installing grub.. sounds to me like your filesystem might be hosed or something |
| 15:33.17 | bomb | rainmaker: what is the reason for removing evolution anyway, why not just _not_ use it |
| 15:33.23 | britt | nvz i uh *cough* installed windows over linux... |
| 15:33.28 | winter_ | britt, :D |
| 15:33.40 | rainmaker | bomb that was just an example i want to remove more stuff to save space |
| 15:33.57 | nvz | britt: then you need to reinstall not just install grub.. you cant chroot to your windows C: and try running grub-install |
| 15:34.00 | rainmaker | and why cant i uninstall a program like i can in any other distro? doesnt seem that unusual to me |
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| 15:34.22 | britt | nvz linux is still there i cal see it //mnt/hda5 |
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| 15:34.34 | britt | nvz I installed windows to a seperate partition |
| 15:34.46 | nvz | britt: you mean /dev/hda5? |
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| 15:35.11 | fblade | hey is there any good mmorpgs out for linux other then planeshift and the world of mana? |
| 15:35.12 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.12 | britt | yeah |
| 15:35.23 | positrix | britt: i did a similar thing about a month ago. if i could remember how i did it, i'd tell you. it is possible though. |
| 15:35.24 | britt | oh sorry didnt see that |
| 15:35.28 | goccia | rainmaker: evolution is a pizza : remove it and the godfather goes away ... |
| 15:35.49 | britt | actually i just tried to fdisk the drive, knoppix says it cant read it |
| 15:36.12 | nvz | britt: sounds to me like you hosed the partitiontable or filesystems |
| 15:36.25 | nvz | somehow |
| 15:36.29 | britt | nvz which translates to a long weekend :( |
| 15:36.43 | nvz | if you cannot boot the partitons, mount them or even view them with fdisk |
| 15:36.49 | britt | nvz the longhorn beta i just installed probably didn't help things then |
| 15:36.53 | nvz | fdisk -l should show them |
| 15:37.01 | nvz | there is no longhorn beta |
| 15:37.02 | britt | knoppix has the partition mounted |
| 15:37.04 | nvz | its Windows Vista Beta 1 |
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| 15:37.29 | meff | anyone know off hand which pkg i need to reconfigure to re-set the paper size for printing? |
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| 15:37.35 | nvz | well actually they are still calling the server version longhorn but I have not heard of any beta being distributed |
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| 15:38.07 | positrix | nvz: translating micosofy naming conventions to those used by the rest of the world, however, it is Windows Vista Alpha 1 |
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| 15:38.15 | toonx | i have an i386 debian/testing running on a amd64 K8 (with kernel 2.6.8-2-386), my question is , if i install the amd64-libs on my i386 debian linux, can i install then the K8 kernel image ? (kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8) |
| 15:38.30 | jelly | libpaperg? |
| 15:38.30 | britt | nvz so reinstall? even though knoppix sees the partition.... |
| 15:38.46 | tengulre | toonx, you can't , I think. |
| 15:39.09 | toonx | tengulre hmm |
| 15:39.17 | positrix | britt: if there's no important data you may as well reinstall. |
| 15:39.23 | nvz | britt: I know nothing of what "knoppix sees" unless you can get some concrete information with fdisk -l the condition of the partition table then mount the filesystem and see wtf if anything is on it.. I dont know what else to tell you |
| 15:39.52 | britt | nvz the partition table is hosed....i'll reinstall |
| 15:39.57 | nvz | you have told me that neither a chroot or a boot param has gained you access to that partition |
| 15:40.11 | nvz | you can try gpart if the partition table is bad |
| 15:40.13 | britt | nvz thanks for the help though |
| 15:40.16 | nvz | its worked for me before |
| 15:40.24 | winter_ | britt, query...? ^^' |
| 15:40.32 | jelly | meff: libpaper1 here on unstable |
| 15:40.34 | nvz | it attempts to "guess" the partition table and often can recover it |
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| 15:40.53 | meff | jelly: thanks :) |
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| 15:41.03 | britt | mvz WOAH |
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| 15:41.15 | nvz | doesnt surprise me in the least that you could hose a partition table with Windows Vista pre-release |
| 15:41.27 | britt | nvz heh, i ran it as root (doh!) and i see the table |
| 15:41.39 | koji-sama | From startup and console i can access kdm but once i try logging on the screen flickers and goes back to logon. However from root i can log in just fine. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:41.57 | nvz | britt: how could you run as anything but root with a knoppix cd.. I thought root was the only user |
| 15:42.02 | koji-sama | the first part refers to a user account |
| 15:42.07 | britt | nvz no |
| 15:42.11 | Skaag | how do I circumvent this... |
| 15:42.12 | Skaag | mtrr: Serverworks LE detected. Write-combining disabled. |
| 15:42.12 | Skaag | mtrr: your processor doesn't support write-combining |
| 15:42.13 | britt | there's user and root |
| 15:42.21 | jelly | Skaag: you don't. |
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| 15:42.30 | l3e7kre4p | what do i do with a .deb |
| 15:42.31 | nvz | hmm news to me.. thats why we dont support knoppix here :P |
| 15:42.38 | dvs | l3e7kre4p: install it? |
| 15:42.38 | pinko | it's not exactly difficult to crack root's password, but you're not root to begin with. |
| 15:42.44 | Skaag | jelly: so it's just an issue with the cpu I have? |
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| 15:42.52 | nvz | last I tried a knoppix cd it was always root |
| 15:42.53 | winter_ | How can I install the php mod for Apache?!? Please help me... |
| 15:43.02 | jelly | Skaag: it's an issue with the motherboard chipset. |
| 15:43.06 | britt | winter_ i've done this many times |
| 15:43.16 | Skaag | jelly, that's bad news :-( |
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| 15:43.37 | l3e7kre4p | installit with what |
| 15:43.37 | britt | winter_ apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 or something...apt-cache search is your friend |
| 15:43.48 | dvs | l3e7kre4p: dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 15:43.58 | jelly | Skaag: AFAIK, it's a good motherboard for servers, just don't expect fast X on it. ;-) |
| 15:44.00 | winter_ | britt, thankssssssssssss!!! |
| 15:44.11 | Mugsy_ | What do I need to get to run java programs |
| 15:44.20 | nvz | java virtual machine |
| 15:44.27 | britt | nvz unless i ate white-castles with weed in them last night i see 2 users on knoppix |
| 15:44.29 | nvz | Mugsy_: apt-get install java-package |
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| 15:44.54 | Skaag | jelly: I don't expect anything... I see ther's some fix in kernel 2.6.12 |
| 15:44.56 | britt | Mugsy_ i actualy had to install them from SUN when i needed JVM |
| 15:45.05 | nvz | Mugsy_: then goto sun.com and d/l the j2re/j2se whatever the hell they are calling it now .bin for linux and use make-jpkg to turn it into a deb |
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| 15:45.09 | Skaag | jelly: But it seems it is not allowing my oracle installation to work properly |
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| 15:45.40 | nvz | britt: yeah, well whatever ;) |
| 15:45.45 | jelly | Skaag: I don't think that error has anything to do with Oracle installation. Then again I might be wrong. |
| 15:45.52 | britt | nvz /dev/hda5 * 15064 19748 37632231 83 Linux |
| 15:45.54 | Skaag | jelly: I think you are right |
| 15:46.08 | Skaag | jelly: I dmesg -c and it does not appear - I guess it was indeed related to X |
| 15:46.21 | Skaag | jelly: I mean, it doesn't appear when I try to run my oracle listener |
| 15:46.28 | koji-sama | When X trys loading the 'speedo' module it gives me 'skipping "usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": no symbol found. Anyone ever experience this before, i'm having problems logging into kde with a user account and i'm poking at the logs. |
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| 15:47.06 | jelly | Skaag: mtrr, as far as I have seen, is only used to set up write-combining regions for video cards, enabling some 3-4 times faster response in X. |
| 15:47.10 | britt | nvz would it be easier to reinstall....I was just thining I could pass /dev/hda5 and run grub-install and save my computer |
| 15:47.21 | nvz | britt: and the rest? I am still trying to grasp the full effect of what you have done.. all /dev/hd5 linux allows me to even assume from what you've told me is that you have an logical partition with linux on it and you installed windows somewhere overwriting grub on the mbr |
| 15:47.47 | britt | nvz thats exactly what happened |
| 15:47.55 | britt | nvz shall we meet in #flood |
| 15:47.57 | nvz | I would like to know more specifically how/where you installed linux and grub origionally and where you installed windows.. etc |
| 15:48.05 | nvz | britt: I am there |
| 15:48.07 | britt | ok |
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| 15:48.21 | koji-sama | no one? >_> |
| 15:48.38 | Skaag | jelly: And also for dual processor systems... yes? |
| 15:48.39 | jelly | Skaag: What I meant, is that it's not related to your installation problems. This happens always on boot with that motherboard, although as you say it might have been fixed in 2.6.12. I've been running 2.4 on those machines, so I wouldn't know. |
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| 15:49.58 | jelly | Skaag: dunno. Let me see, I think our Proliants have that chipset. |
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| 15:51.40 | Skaag | jelly: interesting. I have that chipset on blade servers by kontron... |
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| 15:54.33 | Langly1 | Ive installed X and fluxbox, but all fluxbox's menus are greyed out, what apt-get stuff do i need to get the skins, utils and the rest? google is again giving tons of old/other crap |
| 15:54.40 | jelly | Skaag: hmm, I can't find that mtrr stuff on our servers running 2.6.8 or 2.6.10, and they are SMP. |
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| 15:55.00 | Skaag | jelly: it is possible i have an old bios revision |
| 15:55.07 | Skaag | jelly: my boards are quite old |
| 15:55.07 | Langly1 | OH ffs |
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| 15:55.20 | Langly1 | lol. it wasnt taking my touchpad right, the menus do work |
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| 15:55.56 | Langly1 | nm |
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| 15:57.08 | ChristianP | hi all |
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| 15:57.26 | ChristianP | how can i add new tt fonts in my system? |
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| 15:57.51 | ChristianP | i copied them into /etc/X11/fonts, but nothing happens |
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| 15:58.25 | dawg | !tell christianp about truetype |
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| 15:59.05 | Skaag | jelly: this is the board I have: http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/kon/kon101.html |
| 15:59.06 | dawg | christianp, well that didn't appear to work, /msg dpkg truetype |
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| 16:00.17 | Langly1 | Ok for some reason, X isnt filling my full laptop screen, a bit unused bottom and right, anyone know what causes that/ how to fix it |
| 16:00.39 | jisao1 | how come I don't get sound from an audio cd? Rythmbox plays radio music, but no cd music??? |
| 16:00.54 | ChristianP | dawg, thanks |
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| 16:01.12 | dvs | Laney: Specify the true screen dimensions in your X config file. |
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| 16:01.29 | dvs | I mean Langly1 |
| 16:01.36 | Langly1 | its 1024x768 why cant that be enough |
| 16:01.47 | Langly1 | Will i have to physicaly measure it? |
| 16:01.55 | dvs | Langly1: Probably because that isn't the resolution of your display |
| 16:02.09 | dvs | Langly1: It must be in your manual somewhere |
| 16:02.14 | jelly | Skaag: hmm... that would be comparable to the _older_ Proliants from 2002, where I first saw that error. I think you can ignore it. ;-) |
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| 16:02.39 | Skaag | jelly: ok thanks :-) |
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| 16:02.56 | jisao1 | !cd |
| 16:02.56 | dpkg | methinks cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
| 16:03.06 | Skaag | OK actually managed to find the exact product page! |
| 16:03.06 | Skaag | http://www.kontron-emea.com/index.php?id=226&cat=86&productid=103&source=Searchengine |
| 16:03.07 | Langly1 | anyone here good with fluxbox, I cant get the slit to come up at all |
| 16:03.14 | jisao1 | !sound |
| 16:03.14 | dpkg | it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 16:03.54 | kang | hello there, simple question, what is the default name/path of debian initrd after install ? |
| 16:04.13 | kang | just so that i can boot with grub (was not installed by debian) |
| 16:04.14 | jisao1 | !dmix |
| 16:04.14 | dpkg | dmix is probably an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 16:04.14 | dvs | kang: check in /boot |
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| 16:04.38 | kang | dvs: i cant mount it without booting on a cd ^^ just do a ls for mepleaaase :D |
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| 16:04.56 | dvs | kang: I don't have one. |
| 16:05.06 | kang | aww |
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| 16:06.14 | dawg | kang, try /initrd (i don't have one anymore but i imagine debian still puts the kernel and initrd in / from my last install long ago) |
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| 16:06.23 | dogmeat | how do you disable root login from remote ssh ? |
| 16:06.49 | dawg | jisao1, did you connect that little cable from the cdrom to your sound card? |
| 16:06.50 | Dracka | that's an interesting question |
| 16:06.51 | Dracka | :) |
| 16:06.55 | jelly | dogmeat: It's a pretty obvious option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. |
| 16:07.01 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 16:07.07 | nvz | Langly1: the slit? heh |
| 16:07.16 | jelly | AllowRootLogin or something like that |
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| 16:07.31 | nvz | that thing is annoyingly useless anyhow |
| 16:07.35 | jisao1 | it's onboard sound. |
| 16:07.46 | dephi | Does anyone have experience using Russell Cokers selinux packages? |
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| 16:08.00 | dephi | I can't get selinux-policy-default to install |
| 16:08.32 | nvz | I read the SElinux website last night. it said "Manditory Access Control" like 1,000,000,001 times at least |
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| 16:08.46 | dawg | jisao1, doesn't make a difference |
| 16:08.56 | jisao1 | title kang , add an entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst which says something like: ETCH Debian Linux, kernel 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 16:08.57 | jisao1 | chainloader (hd0,8)+1 |
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| 16:09.02 | jisao1 | will check. |
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| 16:09.10 | jisao1 | dawg, will check |
| 16:09.12 | dawg | jisao1, i haven't ever used Rythmbox, are you sure it can do DAE? |
| 16:09.14 | northbayrep | in debian is it easier to install a gzipped tarfile or an rpm? |
| 16:09.46 | Caelum | northbayrep: you want to build from source and use stow if you can't find a debian package |
| 16:09.48 | britt | northbayrep gziped tar |
| 16:09.56 | Caelum | northbayrep: but you can use alien to install rpms |
| 16:09.57 | dawg | jisao1, try to play a cd with something that does eg. xmms |
| 16:09.58 | jisao1 | I am new at sound in Debian, and I haven't understood all the documentation I have read. |
| 16:10.07 | jisao1 | no sound, I tried, dawg |
| 16:10.18 | nvz | northbayrep: in debian its easier to install a deb. |
| 16:10.23 | northbayrep | i don't have alien, and there's no debian package. |
| 16:10.38 | britt | nvz i'm just going to reinstall |
| 16:10.55 | northbayrep | should i just get this alien prog and install the rpm, or install the gz tar from the command line? |
| 16:11.05 | britt | nvz definately cant reinstall grub to what i have for some reason |
| 16:11.08 | jisao1 | your suggestion of checking the cable make sense. |
| 16:11.15 | nvz | britt: heh, whatever pulls your bandwagon |
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| 16:11.33 | britt | nvz that's the first time i've heard of that |
| 16:11.34 | fhffhqvb | weasels? |
| 16:11.41 | nvz | heh |
| 16:11.41 | jisao1 | tx |
| 16:11.41 | doleyb | northbayrep: use alien first |
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| 16:12.09 | nvz | britt: yeah well I got tired of hearing things like whatever floats your boat.. thats just stupid. |
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| 16:12.25 | dawg | nvz, i like it |
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| 16:12.30 | nvz | britt: the term bandwagon is often used to refer to open projects anyhow |
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| 16:13.20 | Mugsy_ | I cant get SDL |
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| 16:13.25 | Mugsy_ | I tried everything |
| 16:13.41 | Langly1 | well ive got debian base with X and fluxbox on my laptop finaly |
| 16:13.50 | britt | any reason I should use ResierFS...i hear it sucks |
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| 16:14.04 | Langly1 | Ill have to work out things like docked slit apps, and menus for apps later |
| 16:14.08 | nvz | britt: its a lesson that can only be learned the hard way :P |
| 16:14.15 | Langly1 | so I dont have to start them from cli |
| 16:14.35 | britt | nvz lol |
| 16:14.41 | Langly1 | I decided to screw aptitue and it went well, apitude just messed me up |
| 16:14.48 | Mugsy_ | Has anyone installed the SLD library? |
| 16:15.22 | pinko | reiser is fast and stable. for "suck" go with fat32 |
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| 16:15.58 | britt | pinko i hear the opposite...i should use RFS on my old apple laptop i have sitting around. |
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| 16:16.06 | nvz | my understanding of the leading reiser arguments is that its inconsistant overall |
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| 16:16.24 | britt | pinko just to see |
| 16:16.36 | Caelum | I hear that xfs is good for qmail spools |
| 16:16.36 | dawg | mugsy_, apt-cache search libsdl and install what you want/need |
| 16:17.21 | northbayrep | how do i use alien? |
| 16:17.21 | Skaag | hey, i want to duplicate a debian installation to another drive, what's the easiest way to do this? |
| 16:17.23 | nvz | which is why I switched due to an issue where after upgrading many times I had a reiser that wasnt any longer supported by my rescue media which didnt make me feel good, and I just went back to ext2/3 because I've never had such a problem with that filesystem |
| 16:17.24 | pinko | I probably do have a listening problem, but still, have never heard anyone complain about reiser. |
| 16:17.27 | northbayrep | now that it's installed. |
| 16:17.33 | l3e7kre4p | atp-get search? |
| 16:17.33 | nvz | northbayrep: man alien |
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| 16:17.45 | pinko | how do you not use alien? |
| 16:17.47 | gravity | northbayrep: man alien |
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| 16:18.10 | nvz | gravity: is there an echo in here? |
| 16:18.13 | nvz | echo in here? |
| 16:18.24 | Dracka | Is DNAT the same as SNAT but with the option that connections can come from internet to the comp in lan |
| 16:18.30 | gravity | heh |
| 16:18.36 | Mugsy_ | dawg: How do i install all of them? |
| 16:18.55 | enyc | well.. |
| 16:19.03 | enyc | DNAT changes the destination ;-) |
| 16:19.08 | enyc | SNAT changes the source ;-) |
| 16:19.25 | nagytalop | can anybody help in scsi theme? |
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| 16:19.38 | Dracka | enyc, well oh, okay :PP |
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| 16:19.43 | britt | how many processors can debian support? |
| 16:19.48 | Mugsy_ | apt-cache search libsdl How do I install all thoughs files? |
| 16:19.49 | britt | on the smp kernel? |
| 16:19.58 | Dracka | I guess, many |
| 16:19.59 | enyc | but, note that netfilter/iptables is stateful etc. so you only need single SNAT or DNAT rule... sort of thing |
| 16:20.00 | nvz | britt: how many you got ;) |
| 16:20.01 | dawg | mugsy_, just install what you wanted them for in the first place it should pull them in itself, or just copy paste/pipe the output|awk|etc them.. i can't imagine you'd need them all |
| 16:20.04 | britt | apt-get install libsdl* |
| 16:20.10 | britt | nvz 4 |
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| 16:20.13 | enyc | nagy: SCSI theme??? dont understand |
| 16:20.29 | nagytalop | can i connect the hotswap scsi to a integrated adaptec uw ? |
| 16:20.46 | nvz | I dont have any smp machines but I am going to try open mosix one of these days.. make myself a big smp super computer |
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| 16:20.52 | enyc | don't see why not.. |
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| 16:21.01 | Mugsy_ | dawg, I have been trying all night to install this, its now 12:20 pm |
| 16:21.06 | Mugsy_ | I already installed everything |
| 16:21.14 | nagytalop | i never seen hotswap before:) |
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| 16:21.20 | enyc | the 80pin SCA scsi backplane... sets the IDs |
| 16:21.24 | britt | nvz I bought 6 servers... one of which has 2 xeon's and one has 4 P-Pro CPUs |
| 16:21.37 | enyc | so.. the backplane-adapter that lets you plug in 3 or 4 or whateverf SCSI disks.... |
| 16:22.09 | enyc | that sets the IDs per socket... |
| 16:22.21 | Mugsy_ | I need sdl-config and I dont have it |
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| 16:22.36 | enyc | i.e. its normally preconfigured so that a drive has ID 2 in that socket, 3 in that, 4 in that, regardless of what type/id of drive it is... |
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| 16:22.44 | enyc | mugs: install libsdl-dev then |
| 16:23.02 | britt | is there such a thing as distributed computing for linux...so i can network these servers together and run one fast X session |
| 16:23.10 | enyc | mugs: well, probably... libsdl1.2-dev |
| 16:23.28 | nvz | britt: thats what open mosix patch does |
| 16:23.32 | enyc | britt: yes, beowolf clusters and other ideas ;p |
| 16:23.34 | l3e7kre4p | cool |
| 16:23.38 | gravity | Imagine a beowulf cluster of X clients |
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| 16:23.54 | l3e7kre4p | :) |
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| 16:24.08 | britt | gravity imagine a real life beowulf |
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| 16:24.17 | gravity | Heh |
| 16:24.49 | l3e7kre4p | libcaca |
| 16:24.55 | drac | aalib! |
| 16:25.06 | l3e7kre4p | 0.o |
| 16:25.12 | drac | o.O |
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| 16:25.19 | l3e7kre4p | <3 |
| 16:25.21 | l3e7kre4p | it |
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| 16:25.52 | Langly1 | wtf xmms wont let me change the volume, its stuck at 8% i can move it but it snaps back |
| 16:25.56 | Langly1 | doesnt ever actualy change |
| 16:26.00 | Langly1 | sound does work though |
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| 16:26.11 | blowfishi | hey .. I wanna install debian .. now I want to use the floppy install .. watd the different between the normal boot netdrivers root en cdrives images and the one in the folder access ? |
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| 16:26.17 | dawg | mugsy_, you can search contents of packages at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages use it in future |
| 16:26.59 | Sara | back again - I'm trying to install Debian on my laptop, got businesscard image to get the network running and am now trying to install the Debian base system. Problems: I tried installing unstable, but it tried to retrieve a package thats not available anymore, so I tried installing testing, but it didn't find a script right in the beginning --- leaving me stable, which has an error in dpkg: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near l |
| 16:27.00 | Sara | ine 2 package `dpkg': error in Version string `': version string is empty; can anyone help? (first installation for me) |
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| 16:27.47 | l3e7kre4p | if i close my eyes ill fall asleep |
| 16:27.59 | aguspg | buenas tardes |
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| 16:28.41 | l3e7kre4p | i want console colors wt heck do i have to do |
| 16:28.52 | nvz | sounds to be like this beowulf thing needs software that is completly rewritten to take advantage of it.. where as open mosix is transparent to the applications |
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| 16:29.23 | l3e7kre4p | would bittorrent be considered "beowolf" |
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| 16:29.52 | nvz | its beowulf |
| 16:30.00 | gravity | uh |
| 16:30.05 | amphi | l3e7kre4p: ls colours? |
| 16:30.12 | DrZoot | Sara: not sure if this will help at all but i did a dist-upgrade from stable to unstalbe this arve and it complained about missing packages aswell, i added in the repos at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main and then tried again and it was all good, i think some of the mirrors take a little bit before they update all the packages |
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| 16:30.56 | ma3x | hi |
| 16:30.58 | ma3x | i need help once more |
| 16:31.04 | Langly1 | ah thats why |
| 16:31.04 | enyc | ;p |
| 16:31.12 | ma3x | i loaded the drivers for the wlan0 (acx100) but it wont connect |
| 16:31.17 | Langly1 | its a ISA soundcard, and OSS is controlling it |
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| 16:31.21 | ma3x | the card flashes, it works, but it wont connect |
| 16:31.22 | swiftninja | hi \o/ |
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| 16:31.26 | ma3x | can you help me please? |
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| 16:31.29 | Langly1 | what do i need to control the volume on a oss driver soundcard |
| 16:31.31 | nvz | I already dont like the beowulf.. I've read 10 pages about what it is and what its forand still dont know what it is or what its for.. I knew after about 3 pages what open mosix was and what it was for |
| 16:31.42 | swiftninja | fsck is checking by deafult in READ-ONLY mode? |
| 16:31.50 | swiftninja | it will ask befor writting anything? |
| 16:31.56 | dvs | Laney: amixer for one |
| 16:32.10 | dawg | sara, might want to stick with stable.. testing at the most unless you're really comfortable with debian and know apt and family well |
| 16:32.29 | Langly1 | dvs thx |
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| 16:32.50 | dvs | no problem |
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| 16:32.54 | amphi | Langly1: aumix also |
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| 16:32.56 | huhlig | hi hi |
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| 16:33.24 | Langly1 | amixer: Mixer attach to device error: No such device |
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| 16:33.34 | Langly1 | thing is, with xmms the mp3's play fine |
| 16:33.36 | huhlig | anyone know why a natsemi based netgear fa311 would half work and half not work |
| 16:33.40 | Langly1 | I just have no volume control |
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| 16:34.12 | Tara | i got a slight inet problem |
| 16:34.21 | rouns | whats that Tara |
| 16:34.23 | Dracka | it's nice to know |
| 16:34.28 | Dracka | tell us more.. |
| 16:34.29 | Tara | im on windows now, but my linux box isnt getting internet anymore |
| 16:34.31 | swiftninja | is it normal that now all packets are as NOT AUTHENTICATED in synaptics? debian.org changed signing keys or something? |
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| 16:34.35 | Tara | i just plugged in a new router |
| 16:34.37 | Tara | thats all |
| 16:34.39 | rouns | Tara |
| 16:34.45 | rouns | are you connected to your router atm? |
| 16:35.09 | swiftninja | !dpkg unstable |
| 16:35.09 | dpkg | unstable is probably the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 16:35.10 | Tara | yeah |
| 16:35.14 | drasko | hi everyone. Is there a Tarantella Secure Desktop clone for Linux theat I can use on my deb box to log to remote machine that supports Tarantella, so I don't have to switch to Windoze? |
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| 16:35.33 | rouns | Tara your not connected to your modem or anything r u |
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| 16:35.40 | rouns | if so on ur linux box run ifconfig |
| 16:35.43 | nvz | there isnt any such thing is a beowulf is all I've gathered |
| 16:35.46 | Tara | how could i be here if i wasnt connected |
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| 16:35.54 | Sara_ | re |
| 16:35.55 | rouns | cause u could be connected to ur modem |
| 16:36.00 | Tara | ok ifconfig done |
| 16:36.06 | Sara_ | sry, Sara passed away ^^ |
| 16:36.14 | rouns | and eth0 says |
| 16:36.19 | rouns | ip address |
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| 16:36.41 | Tara | can we take this to pm rouns? |
| 16:36.47 | rouns | sure |
| 16:36.59 | Virtual | can I forward with iptables instead with --dport a single port a whole port range like from 1000-2000 ? |
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| 16:37.09 | Py | Has someone an explaination of this behaviour? http://pastebin.com/359853 |
| 16:37.10 | Tara | gotta register first |
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| 16:37.21 | blowfishi | hmm where can I get rawrite for debian ?? can only find the win version |
| 16:37.21 | SmallR2002 | hi |
| 16:37.29 | sward | dd |
| 16:37.30 | huhlig | rouns, you seem to be network person, natsemi/fa311 any problems your aware of? |
| 16:37.33 | Sara_ | dawg: I'm working with debian unstable, but I didn't install it myself -- but stable would be ok with me too, it just doesn't want to get install on my laptop (desktop already debian) |
| 16:37.41 | drasko | hi everyone. Is there a Tarantella Secure Desktop clone for Linux theat I can use on my deb box to log to remote machine that supports Tarantella, so I don't have to switch to Windoze? |
| 16:37.57 | blowfishi | sward whats the command for dd if I wanna put boot.img on a 1.44 floppy ? |
| 16:37.59 | SmallR2002 | can you buy debian testing on disks? |
| 16:38.07 | SmallR2002 | just the repositarys, nothing else |
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| 16:38.18 | swiftninja | SmallR2002, YOu can order Debian Install on CD's |
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| 16:38.42 | AgresZina | hmmm rouns |
| 16:38.42 | SmallR2002 | isn't that stable repositaries |
| 16:38.43 | AgresZina | pm |
| 16:38.50 | sfire||mouse | drasko: is Tarantella just Remote Desktop Client that windows uses? |
| 16:38.51 | blowfishi | whats the command for dd if I wanna put boot.img on a 1.44 floppy ? |
| 16:38.55 | sward | dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 # possibly, check the man page |
| 16:38.58 | blowfishi | thnx |
| 16:39.04 | SmallR2002 | because i have a dvd of debian, but its all stable not testing |
| 16:39.08 | AgresZina | rouns |
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| 16:39.33 | yup{away} | ðø * |
| 16:39.34 | AgresZina | anyone else here who can help me???? |
| 16:39.37 | yup{away} | hi * |
| 16:39.42 | wold | hi.. what do I need to do.. to get my isa sound card working? |
| 16:40.05 | dawg | sara_, maybe you need to try other mirrors, did you apt-get update? does anything other than the above issue happen? |
| 16:40.07 | yup | help with what ? |
| 16:40.15 | AgresZina | well |
| 16:40.15 | nvz | wold: same thing everyone else does to get any other sound card working.. load the driver for it |
| 16:40.21 | AgresZina | pm yup? |
| 16:40.31 | yup | pm ? |
| 16:40.36 | wold | nvz, it was some kinda program I should run.. since it was a old isa card |
| 16:40.39 | Sara_ | dawg: I'm still installing the base system... no apt-get there jet |
| 16:40.41 | rouns | why not my help? |
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| 16:40.48 | rouns | lol |
| 16:40.53 | nvz | wold: nope just load the module |
| 16:40.53 | Sara_ | dawg: tried two mirrors |
| 16:40.54 | AgresZina | well you didnt quite answer my pm rouns :) |
| 16:41.00 | rouns | yes I did |
| 16:41.01 | wold | nvz, which module? |
| 16:41.05 | AgresZina | oh |
| 16:41.08 | nvz | wold: which card is it? |
| 16:41.08 | sward | AgresZina: Unless it's not Debian related, better to chat in here where everyone can see |
| 16:41.11 | AgresZina | i dont see it :/ |
| 16:41.24 | AgresZina | yeah well i cant keep my head straight here :P |
| 16:41.27 | AgresZina | ehm |
| 16:41.33 | AgresZina | i think it has something to do with my new router |
| 16:41.36 | Sara_ | dawg: I found a message saying it was marked done ... message from march 2005 |
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| 16:41.50 | wold | nvz, thats the problem.. I have no idea.. is built into the motherboard... |
| 16:41.51 | AgresZina | i plugged it in (before that everything worked) |
| 16:41.54 | wold | it is* |
| 16:42.02 | AgresZina | now only the debian box isnt getting inet |
| 16:42.15 | dawg | sara_, what version are you trying to install? are you using d-i? |
| 16:42.20 | nvz | wold: install isapnptools and use pnpdump then |
| 16:42.33 | wold | nvz, exactly what I was looking for:) |
| 16:42.44 | nvz | wold: not even close to what you asked for :P |
| 16:42.56 | wold | nvz, I remember doing that long time ago.. but didnt remember the command.. etc |
| 16:43.09 | nvz | wold: if you dont know what sound card you have, it could need such a tool reguardless if its isa, usb, pci..etc |
| 16:43.16 | sward | AgresZina: check the output of ifconfig, is your interface up and does it have an IP? |
| 16:43.18 | nvz | wold: if you know what it is it needs no such thing |
| 16:43.29 | AgresZina | it has a IP |
| 16:43.44 | wold | nvz, yes..i'll managing it now I belive |
| 16:43.47 | sward | AgresZina: Can you ping the router? |
| 16:43.52 | AgresZina | nope |
| 16:44.01 | Sara_ | dawg: version - uhm, I downloaded this businesscard image and started installing with kernel26 and chose stable - the businesscard thing the iso is called debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso - dont know if that is what you are asking |
| 16:44.17 | Sara_ | dawg: what does d-i mean? |
| 16:44.30 | Virtual | can I forward with iptables instead with --dport a single port a whole port range like from 1000-2000 ? |
| 16:45.03 | dawg | !d-i |
| 16:45.04 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
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| 16:45.30 | sward | AgresZina: and they are on the same net? Can you ping any other systems on the same net (if there are any) |
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| 16:45.41 | AgresZina | ill try |
| 16:45.53 | AgresZina | yup |
| 16:45.59 | AgresZina | i can ping this box |
| 16:46.01 | Sara_ | dpkg: thats a link to the page i downloaded the iso from... so I guess I got the right stuff |
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| 16:47.20 | dawg | sara_, so even before installing the base system you're getting that dpkg error? |
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| 16:47.31 | AgresZina | sward : Yes, i can ping this box |
| 16:47.32 | Sara_ | dawg: while installing the base system, yes |
| 16:47.34 | sward | AgresZina: Hmm, does the router respond to pings from your other box? |
| 16:47.41 | yarichin | hi there |
| 16:47.47 | AgresZina | how do i chack sward |
| 16:47.58 | AgresZina | oh |
| 16:47.59 | AgresZina | respond |
| 16:48.00 | AgresZina | yes |
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| 16:49.53 | drasko | sfire,Yes, that one... Is there the one for debian I can use? |
| 16:50.09 | sward | AgresZina: Is there any filtering in place on the router and/or your Debian box? |
| 16:50.17 | AgresZina | nope |
| 16:50.49 | drasko | sfire||mouse, or some other client (tarantella clone) that can connect to server??? |
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| 16:52.15 | JtBe | need a prog keeping my storage dev standby while not reading from. can hdparm do that. any other suggests.. |
| 16:52.23 | yarichin | hi there i have a few questions since reading about debian and faq's |
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| 16:52.52 | Virtual | can I forward with iptables instead with --dport a single port a whole port range like from 1000-2000 ? |
| 16:53.10 | yarichin | does anyone know a page about laptops and docks working? |
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| 16:53.56 | JtBe | Virtual: 1000:2000 |
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| 16:54.29 | wold | nvz, which driver should I load to get my sound card working?.. isa interface: ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA |
| 16:54.37 | Virtual | JtBe: that will open only 1000 && 2000 or from 1000 to 2000 ? |
| 16:54.51 | wold | nvz, pnpdump didnt give anything |
| 16:55.09 | jamuraa | hmm, nvidia is broken, yet my nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-* are the same version |
| 16:55.11 | sward | AgresZina: My mind's blanking now, must be caffeine deprivation |
| 16:55.17 | JtBe | from, man iptables ! |
| 16:55.31 | AgresZina | i just got this one sward: route: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
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| 16:57.33 | wold | could anyone help me getting my sound card working? |
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| 16:58.11 | lakcaj | wold, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf && alsamixer |
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| 16:58.22 | lakcaj | wold, I also install alsa-oss, but that's just me |
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| 16:59.33 | wold | lakcaj, ok.. i'll try it |
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| 17:00.52 | wold | lakcaj, and now what?.. when I start alsamixer.. it says it cant find the sound driver |
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| 17:02.23 | wold | /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 17:02.33 | wold | when I try to run.. esd |
| 17:02.47 | dvs | wold: What does "ls -l /dev/dsp" say? |
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| 17:03.17 | wold | dvs, that file file dosnt exist.. |
| 17:03.23 | lakcaj | wold, install alsa-oss |
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| 17:03.43 | lakcaj | alsa devices are in /dev/snd. /dev/dsp is a legacy device from OSS. |
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| 17:03.50 | dvs | must be udev |
| 17:04.19 | wold | lakcaj, yes.. I did that.. how to get it working? |
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| 17:04.37 | wold | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 17:04.44 | lakcaj | well, afaik, alsa-oss should create the /dev/dsp device. |
| 17:05.00 | lakcaj | wold, did alsaconf appear to work properly? |
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| 17:05.41 | valdyn | wold: if you want to use alsa, install libesd-alsa0 |
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| 17:06.15 | sward | AgresZina: I'm not sure, but it sounds like the module for your network card may not be loaded |
| 17:06.17 | lakcaj | he shouldn't need that for alsamixer to work. Better get alsa working first, then worry about the sound server. |
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| 17:06.36 | lakcaj | wold, did you run alsaconf? |
| 17:06.38 | wold | lakcaj, where can I find the command alsaconf?.. I got alsa-utils.. but dunno where to find the alsaconf binary |
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| 17:06.56 | valdyn | !find bin/alsaconf |
| 17:06.57 | lakcaj | wold, just run it as root, it will be in your path. Until you run alsaconf, nothing is going to work. |
| 17:07.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/alsaconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 17:07.12 | sward | AgresZina: though if the interface was up, it probably was loaded :? |
| 17:07.19 | lakcaj | wold, are you on an ubuntu machine? |
| 17:07.20 | pmjdebruijn | is it possible to build only one subpackage with dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 17:07.26 | wold | lakcaj, whereis alsaconf gives me nothing |
| 17:07.31 | wold | lakcaj, yes |
| 17:07.31 | AgresZina | hehe im a total noob when it comes to linux sward :) |
| 17:07.36 | lakcaj | wold, #ubuntu |
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| 17:07.56 | wold | lakcaj, damn you.. they're all clueless in there.. |
| 17:07.58 | lakcaj | wold, and ask them why they removed the alsaconf utility while you're there. |
| 17:08.03 | valdyn | pmjdebruijn: dpkg-buildpackage just runs <sourcetree>/debian/rules, changeing rules changes whatever gets created |
| 17:08.05 | lakcaj | :) |
| 17:08.16 | Sara_ | dawg: a different mirror worked :) thx |
| 17:08.20 | vir182 | which package do i have to reconfigure when i want to change the UI interface (modline, questions, editor ..) when a package is newly installed? |
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| 17:08.30 | Sara_ | dawg: guess I had bad luck with the first two |
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| 17:08.47 | lakcaj | wold, no hard feelings, but I've tried to help some ubuntu users with their audio, and I have no idea why ubuntu doesn't have the alsaconf utility, and hence I have no idea how to help you. |
| 17:08.53 | wold | lakcaj, after doing "apt-get install alsaconf": Note, selecting alsa-utils instead of alsaconf |
| 17:09.29 | manbox | how do set all rights for my usb flat scanner |
| 17:09.35 | pmjdebruijn | valdyn, hmmm ok :( |
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| 17:09.44 | cockroach | is there a tool to convert a dmg file to an iso? |
| 17:09.52 | drac | wold: eh, alsaconf is command, not package |
| 17:10.10 | lakcaj | alsaconf used to be packaged by itself, and _should_ now be included in alsa-utils, hece why it wants to use alsa-utils instead. But for some reason, the ubuntu alsa-utils package doesn't have the alsaconf utility... I have no idea why it doesn't. |
| 17:10.11 | wold | drac, I know.. but I tried to type it in as a package |
| 17:10.17 | sward | AgresZina: Is it a PCI network card / or built in to your mainboard? |
| 17:10.21 | drac | wold: why? |
| 17:10.26 | wold | drac, just to check |
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| 17:10.37 | wold | drac, and seems like it was in the system... |
| 17:10.41 | AgresZina | sward - No idea, bought this from some dude |
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| 17:10.49 | enyc | hrrm my board has a Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE] (rev 16) PCI ethernet onboard |
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| 17:11.04 | enyc | use "lspci" to look for pci-devices |
| 17:11.12 | enyc | ' [/sbin/lspci] as any user, usually |
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| 17:11.22 | jnc | hey-lo all. from a fresh install of apache2 in debian unstable, there's an interesting scheme for config files |
| 17:11.32 | jnc | is that standard for apache2? or a debian-ized form |
| 17:11.51 | lakcaj | wold, as we speak, there is someone in ubuntu asking where alsaconf is. I think this is something that ubuntu really should resolve. I have no idea how to configure sound on an ubuntu machine. |
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| 17:11.56 | sward | AgresZina: What enyc said, what's the output of: lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 17:11.59 | jnc | i want to know where to ask about setting up virtualhosts such that myname.com is served by /var/www/myname.com/htdocs/index.php |
| 17:12.03 | djp | hi. i would like to know what i should type for my keyboard when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. my keyboard is UK with 105 keys. should i change the default 104 (i think it is written as pc104) to 105? |
| 17:12.04 | jnc | dynamically |
| 17:12.20 | wold | lakcaj, yes.. maybe its me asking? :p |
| 17:12.25 | jnc | djp: pc105 is okay, i think |
| 17:12.27 | lakcaj | I think it is :) |
| 17:12.34 | AgresZina | no output sward |
| 17:12.38 | jnc | djp: check xorg docs, it's in there somewhere, not debian specific |
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| 17:12.53 | djp | jnc, thanks |
| 17:13.11 | sward | AgresZina: Is this a laptop? Does the card slot into the side? |
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| 17:13.22 | AgresZina | its a old IBM box sward |
| 17:13.44 | sward | Oooh, possibly ISA.. |
| 17:13.50 | bgarcia | hi, i'm having a problem with sudo: I have a line "Defaults passwd_timeout=1", and it doesn't make any difference.. |
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| 17:13.54 | bgarcia | is this a bug? |
| 17:15.09 | AgresZina | ah sward, i didnt do the capital e, its shows output now |
| 17:15.27 | sward | AgresZina: :) What is it? |
| 17:15.28 | AgresZina | 3Com Corporation 3c905C etc |
| 17:15.35 | AgresZina | hold on doorbell rinning |
| 17:15.46 | jnc | maybe i'll ask debian users in #apache |
| 17:15.49 | jnc | thanks anyways |
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| 17:15.53 | sward | Lovely, I have a similar one |
| 17:16.22 | koji-sama | would X not finding any symbols in libspeedo.a:spencode.o cause any problems with any user other than root logging into kde? |
| 17:16.31 | AgresZina | can we take this to pm sward? |
| 17:17.30 | AgresZina | ah damnit i gotta go |
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| 17:17.31 | AgresZina | cya |
| 17:17.37 | sward | AgresZina: I'd prefer not.. it's better here just in case I get stuck, someone else may be able to chirp in |
| 17:17.42 | sward | oh, bye |
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| 17:18.37 | koji-sama | ugh such an annoying problem ;_; |
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| 17:20.34 | Zap-W | trying to create a l2tp tunnel and i get Sep 2 22:28:30 server pppd[21092]: Connect: ppp0 <--> Sep 2 22:28:30 server pppd[21092]: ioctl(SIOCSIFMTU): No such device (line 1173), insted of Sep 2 22:41:24 server pppd[21190]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/1 |
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| 17:20.47 | sktrdie | where's a good Debian forum? |
| 17:21.17 | caphuso | sktrdie: http://lists.debian.org/ |
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| 17:23.08 | drasko | I am getting this message from tarantella client: local X server is not available. And it wont connect... What's wrong? |
| 17:23.12 | xflamethrower | http://bugs.debian.org/310404 |
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| 17:23.30 | xflamethrower | is this Debian a stable or not? |
| 17:23.42 | sktrdie | thats a mailing list |
| 17:23.59 | sktrdie | drasko: tarantella? |
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| 17:24.51 | xflamethrower | I have worked around the problem (#310404) only by installing xorg from unstable disto and this pulled new libc6 as well with itself |
| 17:24.55 | genbie | anyone knows how to add a locale that usues the "windows encodings" as opposed to UTF in debian plz? problem is that i have to run some wine app that require that crap windows encoding! |
| 17:24.56 | drasko | sktrdie, ? |
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| 17:25.34 | drasko | sktrdie, Secure Desktop |
| 17:26.23 | xflamethrower | OK, repeating: with my configuration, local X11 connection (unix sock) of firefox to xfree86 gives this shit: |
| 17:26.24 | sward | sktrdie: What's the problem with the mailing list? View the archives if you want a browsable interface, search for the list in gmane if you prefer something a little more interactive |
| 17:26.26 | xflamethrower | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:26.28 | xflamethrower | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
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| 17:26.53 | ma3x | how do i remove/unload the ipv6 module? every time i do apt-get update it takes so long because of that ipv6! |
| 17:26.57 | AcuraX | can i use peoplepc ISP with debian linux? |
| 17:26.57 | xflamethrower | so on my (stable) system firefox in unusable. Totally. |
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| 17:28.17 | valdyn | xflamethrower: no, its already running. tried killing it? |
| 17:29.33 | valdyn | AcuraX: depends on which device you use to 'dial' in. Ask them. |
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| 17:30.16 | valdyn | xflamethrower: oh why the hell would you install sid's xorg to sarge? |
| 17:30.26 | greycat | because he didn't read /topic? |
| 17:30.30 | valdyn | xflamethrower: maybe its a good idea to reinstall now. |
| 17:30.41 | xflamethrower | valdyn: to fix the bug |
| 17:30.48 | greycat | there's a bug in the sarge backport? |
| 17:31.04 | ma3x | how do i remove/unload the ipv6 module? every time i do apt-get update it takes so long because of that ipv6! |
| 17:31.06 | valdyn | xflamethrower: that is one of the worst way to 'fix' anything |
| 17:31.23 | xflamethrower | valdyn: I'm pretty sure another firefox wasn't running |
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| 17:31.35 | gravity | Fix what bug in X? |
| 17:31.35 | greycat | what's firefox got to do with the X server? |
| 17:31.39 | xflamethrower | valdyn: I can check just for you |
| 17:31.39 | valdyn | xflamethrower: ps aux | grep firefox |
| 17:32.01 | valdyn | xflamethrower: however your system is already fucked due to that new libc6, just reinstall. |
| 17:32.03 | xflamethrower | valdyn: you don't need to teach me that siple shit |
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| 17:32.11 | gravity | Or is this not a bug and I can go back and do something more productive...? |
| 17:32.36 | ma3x | someone tell me how to remove the ipv6 module from current kernel? |
| 17:32.42 | goccia | ahhhhhhhh : i'm back to pure sarge _ to me everything worked : xorg libc6 on sarge but now i'm back to normal :) |
| 17:33.04 | greycat | !congratulate goccia |
| 17:33.05 | sward | ma3x: modprobe -r |
| 17:33.06 | dpkg | Woohoo goccia, you did it! |
| 17:33.11 | goccia | greycat: ahahah :))) |
| 17:33.18 | ma3x | sward, it says it's already in use. |
| 17:33.21 | xflamethrower | valdyn: about libc6 you are right -- but I always lived on "testing" |
| 17:33.29 | greycat | ma3x: the trick is, what would prevent it from loading itself *again* the next time your application makes an IPv6 connection? |
| 17:33.52 | greycat | xflamethrower: testing has xorg now. |
| 17:33.53 | goccia | xflamethrower: do not say that while i'm here : sarge rocks , do it again and you will see :) |
| 17:33.57 | ma3x | greycat, /etc/modules? |
| 17:34.04 | xflamethrower | so, it's just X11 which made all the shit and was replaced by Xorg then |
| 17:34.18 | gravity | X11? |
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| 17:34.26 | greycat | ma3x: that only brings things in at boot time. it can't blacklist things. /msg dpkg blacklist -- but even THAT will not prevent the module being loaded if you refer to a device that brings it in somehow. |
| 17:34.28 | xflamethrower | oops, Xfree86 |
| 17:34.32 | greycat | And IPv6 is a big mystery to mer. |
| 17:34.33 | greycat | me* |
| 17:34.42 | goccia | xflamethrower: libc works and xorg works and kernel 2.6.11 works and so on : but now i'm so relaxed :) |
| 17:34.54 | ma3x | greycat, what device you think brings it up? |
| 17:35.05 | xflamethrower | goccia: but xfree86 doesn't :/ |
| 17:35.15 | greycat | so use xorg. |
| 17:35.25 | greycat | but NOT from sid. |
| 17:35.26 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 17:35.26 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 17:35.34 | xflamethrower | it's in testing already? then good :) |
| 17:35.36 | gravity | How is xfree86 not working? |
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| 17:35.40 | greycat | ma3x: I have no clue how IPv6 works. |
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| 17:35.43 | goccia | xflamethrower: hold on : i've done xorg from xfree and back again an IT WORKS ! but stay with sarge and be happy :) |
| 17:35.45 | greycat | xflamethrower: /TOPIC |
| 17:35.50 | ma3x | greycat, what do you preffer in the sources.list, FTP or HTTP ? |
| 17:35.50 | greycat | !topicsmite xflamethrower |
| 17:35.51 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon xflamethrower. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:36.00 | greycat | !FTP MUST DIE |
| 17:36.01 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 17:36.07 | greycat | ma3x: clear enough? :) |
| 17:36.12 | goccia | xflamethrower: do a nice apt-get -s install and READ :) |
| 17:36.32 | goccia | greycat: i'm so relaxed ahhhhh :) |
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| 17:36.43 | Led_Zeppelin | in Windows, where can i find my .inf for wireless nic? |
| 17:36.44 | ma3x | greycat, yeah mate!! |
| 17:36.48 | xflamethrower | goccia: what do you mean? |
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| 17:36.57 | ma3x | greycat, you are that FTP rebellian!! |
| 17:36.59 | ma3x | :) |
| 17:37.22 | xflamethrower | goccia: I mean bug 310404 and others (will find soon) |
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| 17:38.16 | robin_sz | i wouldnt mind, but its not even a decent pr0n site |
| 17:38.56 | streuner | ma3x: does it work now? |
| 17:39.07 | mfrisch_ | is there an option to use not use initrd in the .config of kernels? What option would I turn off to not use it? |
| 17:39.12 | goccia | xflamethrower: sarge rocks : if you do a -s (simulte) and follow the stream nicely you can get all those goodies in sarge : i`ve done it but now i'm back to normal |
| 17:39.20 | goccia | simulate* |
| 17:39.21 | xflamethrower | I just need to re-check whether there was a copy of firefox in bg... |
| 17:39.27 | ma3x | streuner, the card loads, brings up interface wlan0, but it never works. I can't ping |
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| 17:39.33 | greycat | xflamethrower: 310404 looks to *me* like (a) the user tried to run firefox while not logged into X, by manually setting DISPLAY to :0.0 which was not an active display, or was sitting at an XDM login; or (b) he launched X as user1 and launched firefox as user2. |
| 17:39.39 | ma3x | streuner, I 'll prolll y stick to ndisswrapppper |
| 17:39.49 | streuner | ma3x: hm |
| 17:39.50 | xflamethrower | goccia: everything worked well after sarge instal -- I didi it on 2 hosts |
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| 17:40.09 | greycat | mfrisch_: grep -i initrd .config |
| 17:40.14 | james_ | hi |
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| 17:40.27 | streuner | ma3x: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:40.30 | mfrisch_ | greycat will do |
| 17:40.47 | ma3x | streuner, of course. It's always there |
| 17:40.52 | xflamethrower | greycat: yes, it's not very representative bug, I saw anoter for the same prob with a _code in xlibs_ that's producing the shit and a small POC code |
| 17:40.52 | goccia | xflamethrower: i'm still dreaming of libc6 install dance on sarge : do not say that : all works but uou have to do it slowly :) |
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| 17:41.50 | xflamethrower | greycat: small POC code that's working like firefox and exhibiting the problem with "XDM authorization key matches an existing client" |
| 17:42.14 | mfrisch_ | greycat it says y where is it under Block Devices...THANKS. It will not mess things up going to no initrd? |
| 17:42.22 | greycat | xflamethrower: well, the /topic tells you what to say to dpkg to get the xorg sarge backport if you want it. |
| 17:42.40 | greycat | mfrisch_: /msg dpkg custom kernel |
| 17:43.02 | xflamethrower | greycat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292388 |
| 17:43.13 | ma3x | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/691 |
| 17:43.49 | xflamethrower | greycat: oh, thanks, I can try to rebuild xorg for sarge if I'd find enough free time |
| 17:44.02 | greycat | rebuild...? |
| 17:44.04 | streuner | ma3x: http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/showthread.php?t=173799 |
| 17:44.09 | greycat | is this guy on crack? |
| 17:44.22 | xflamethrower | but I'm just unhappy with the situation. |
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| 17:44.55 | ma3x | streuner, you mean wireless_mode managed? |
| 17:45.19 | streuner | ma3x: no, i mean i haven't any clue about WLAN at all :-P |
| 17:45.39 | greycat | xflamethrower: I'm not qualified to say whether that is a real bug or not, but there's no reason you would need to *rebuild* xorg for sarge, unless you're on some weird arch that's not i386. |
| 17:45.49 | greycat | it's already compiled and sitting there in ~nobse |
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| 17:46.00 | spike | hi |
| 17:46.13 | nirrr_ | hello |
| 17:46.15 | spike | can anybody shed some light on this libc 2.3.5 issue? |
| 17:46.19 | greycat | what issue? |
| 17:46.35 | goccia | xflamethrower: bugs ? i remeber only some keyboard annoyances in kde (solved by bloody applets) when i tried sid-xorg on sarge |
| 17:46.38 | bomb | the sports illustrated swimsuit issue |
| 17:46.46 | streuner | ma3x: just ask the question you have here in channel, we have lots of people who using wireless |
| 17:46.49 | spike | greycat: that everything seems to break as soon you update the system and get that glibc version? |
| 17:46.58 | greycat | !sid upgrade |
| 17:46.58 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 17:47.36 | xflamethrower | goccia: bugs? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292388 |
| 17:47.55 | ma3x | with ndiswrapper it works, with acx100 drivers the card loads, but i can't ping or anything |
| 17:47.58 | ma3x | i dont know what to say more specific |
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| 17:49.26 | xflamethrower | greycat: I'm not going to rebuild either -- it's a huge amount of time |
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| 17:50.05 | xflamethrower | greycat: but I do some customized pkgs for my Debian installs, what's wrong with this? |
| 17:50.37 | greycat | xflamethrower: see "huge amount of time" above. |
| 17:50.43 | goccia | xflamethrower: i went for a ride in sid-sarge-sid cause firefox bugs and amule love affaire and bound by couriousity aboutxorg libc6 and so on : i say all was not fine but amazing really a good trip : sarge is a rock :) |
| 17:50.55 | xflamethrower | greycat: yes. That's all. |
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| 17:52.26 | D0C_ | Hi All |
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| 17:53.03 | D0C_ | anyone have a link to that script that removes all the duplicate menu items in KDE on debian ? |
| 17:53.35 | D0C_ | I saw it a while back and had never seen the dupe menu items till now hehe |
| 17:53.54 | goccia | a script ? |
| 17:54.07 | D0C_ | i thought so, maybe some other fix |
| 17:54.18 | goccia | it is a bloody bloat ? : i'm on kde and it is not so bloated :) |
| 17:54.29 | D0C_ | i had it in my head that it was a perl script |
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| 17:54.41 | D0C_ | but I could just be remembering wrong |
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| 17:55.23 | tonsofpcs | anyone know of a card that I can still go to the local computer store [compusa or bestbuy] and purchase that will boot milo? [the FireGL3000 and the ATI 7000 both give the PALcode error, the machine won't boot with the ISA cards i have] |
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| 17:57.04 | goccia | D0C_: the only sane word you wrote was something on the line to have perl in your head :) |
| 17:57.16 | greycat | !milo |
| 17:57.16 | dpkg | i heard milo is short for the Multiple ILO document formatting system. See http://www.openstandards.org/milo/ or a choclatey beverage, or the alpha arch linux loader. |
| 17:57.21 | bomb | D0C_: why can't you just delete them in the KDE Menu Editor, even if you have two of _everything_ it would take you about 10 seconds. |
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| 17:57.41 | greycat | tonsofpcs: you're ... on an alpha? |
| 17:57.55 | D0C_ | hahaha goccia |
| 17:58.07 | streuner | greycat: vorlon helped him the others days... |
| 17:58.23 | marq | how would i go about limiting the amount of resources available to a certain process to for example 60% or something ? |
| 17:58.41 | greycat | marq: there's no such thing as "60%" |
| 17:58.46 | greycat | marq: see "help ulimit" |
| 17:58.54 | D0C_ | ok, when I go to the k button then choose debian then choose any sub from there I have 2 icons for each app... that better ? |
| 17:58.58 | tonsofpcs | greycat -not this machine |
| 17:59.07 | tonsofpcs | the one next to me |
| 17:59.11 | tonsofpcs | it's an eb164 |
| 17:59.17 | Langly1 | what do i need to install to have the /build path for things that need it |
| 17:59.18 | marq | greycat: thanks ! i'll look into that |
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| 17:59.32 | rleigh | marq: Investigate process resource limits. See /etc/security/limits.conf and pam_limits.so (you'll need to enable it in /etc/pam.d/*). |
| 17:59.45 | kingtux | Can someone help me with printer(cups) issue |
| 17:59.52 | goccia | D0C_: i'm here installing a trillion pm to get Tie::CSV_File on sarge (that's why i went back to it) :) |
| 17:59.54 | greycat | you can't limit a process to "only use 60% of the CPU", not even "over the next x seconds" |
| 18:00.07 | greycat | there's just no mechanism for that in unix |
| 18:00.10 | rleigh | kingtux: Fire away. |
| 18:00.18 | cheal | D0C_: perhaps ask #debian-kde |
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| 18:00.25 | kingtux | I have an hp officejet 7410...I've downloaded hpoj driver and ran the ptal setup |
| 18:00.32 | D0C_ | thanks cheal |
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| 18:00.54 | kingtux | it runs the ni try to print a test page i get wierd text printer |
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| 18:01.04 | marq | greycat, rleigh: thanks :) |
| 18:01.10 | kingtux | the printer is connected via usb |
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| 18:01.30 | Langly1 | I need to know due to compiling a driver with this instrction |
| 18:01.31 | Langly1 | To correct this problem you'll need to copy the kernel config file from your /boot directory to your build directory, try this command: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/.config (backtics, not single-quotes), if it fails then you'll need to ls /boot to view the contents of your /boot directory and determine from the listing what the actual filename of the correct kernel config file is and then substitute it for t |
| 18:01.33 | streuner | kingtux: HP? |
| 18:01.38 | Langly1 | I dont have a /build |
| 18:01.40 | kingtux | yeah hp offjecet |
| 18:01.45 | kingtux | officejet |
| 18:01.46 | cheal | kingtux: are you sure you want hpoj and not HPLIP? |
| 18:01.49 | Langly1 | which I figure needs to be added |
| 18:01.51 | greycat | Langly1: install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:01.54 | streuner | kingtux: try /msg dpkg hpdeskjet install |
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| 18:02.11 | greycat | Langly1: and then, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, use module-assistant. |
| 18:02.24 | greycat | since you didn't BOTHER to say what driver this IS, we can't advise you very well, now can we? |
| 18:02.30 | Langly1 | thx green_earz |
| 18:02.38 | Langly1 | greycat |
| 18:02.39 | streuner | kingtux: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 18:02.50 | rleigh | kingtux: How did you print the test page, and exactly what printed out? |
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| 18:03.50 | kingtux | i print test pages via cups server web |
| 18:04.00 | kingtux | downloading hpinkjet |
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| 18:04.42 | kingtux | I already have that pkg installed |
| 18:05.05 | l3e7kre4p | http://pastebin.com/359917 |
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| 18:06.01 | Langly1 | Package kernel-build-2.6.8-2 E: Could't find package kernel-build-2.6.8-2 |
| 18:06.11 | Langly1 | its on the official package list |
| 18:06.27 | streuner | kingtux: we need more details, what doesn't work, did it print the testpage correctly... |
| 18:06.44 | batlogg | snmpwalk -v 2c -c public localhost shows no stats regarding network traffic, cpu load,... how can i add them? |
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| 18:07.44 | D0C_ | <CHeVY-572> I have a long thick penis |
| 18:07.47 | D0C_ | wth |
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| 18:07.48 | Langly1 | nm |
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| 18:08.57 | streuner | D0C_: /topic |
| 18:09.44 | streuner | >CHeVY-572< CTCP VERSION - no answer... |
| 18:09.49 | D0C_ | anyone seen the double menu entries in kde ? |
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| 18:10.01 | goccia | never |
| 18:10.01 | svizzero | anyone knows how to start a program automatically after kde started? |
| 18:10.03 | streuner | D0C_: unstable? |
| 18:10.19 | cheal | svizzero: ask #debian-kde |
| 18:10.20 | goccia | and i use kde since "the lost packages" |
| 18:10.20 | aredhel | D0C_, I see it in gnome on testing |
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| 18:10.27 | D0C_ | yes, I did an apt-get upgrade awhile back and it happened then |
| 18:11.00 | voxvirus | hello |
| 18:11.06 | CHeVY-572 | when is debian gonna release a net install w/ kernel > then 2.6.8 that supports modern raid cards? |
| 18:11.19 | goccia | nor i've seen it on kde 3.4.1 : don't know 3.4.2 and i will never know :) |
| 18:11.31 | kingtux | It prints a test page but it dosn't look correct |
| 18:11.32 | cheal | D0C_: you already asked #debian-kde. if you don't have an answer there, you won't have one here |
| 18:11.43 | voxvirus | can anybody help me setting up a gamepad in Xfree? |
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| 18:12.03 | greycat | CHeVY-572: whenever etch comes out, I would imagnie. |
| 18:12.03 | cadu | why firefox 1.06 isn't on sarge yet? :( |
| 18:12.05 | D0C_ | ive used KDE since mandrake 5 something and never saw it either, i did run accross a fix for it some time ago but didnt have a need for it then... and forgot what or where |
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| 18:12.16 | greycat | CHeVY-572: but you can build your OWN d-i disc, or use tarzeau's 2.4.31 kernel. |
| 18:12.18 | voxvirus | i've got it working with the kernel allready as /dev/input/js0 |
| 18:12.29 | streuner | dpkg, why is firefox not in testing? |
| 18:12.30 | dpkg | firefox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=firefox |
| 18:12.39 | voxvirus | it's a HID compatible usb gamepad |
| 18:12.44 | greycat | streuner: because it's spelled mozilla-firefox? |
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| 18:13.17 | D0C_ | heh |
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| 18:13.17 | greycat | cadu: sarge is stable. that means it doesn't change. it only gets security fixes. |
| 18:13.23 | greycat | cadu: so sarge should, in theory, NEVER have firefox 1.06. |
| 18:13.24 | Smerdyakov | Anyone had any problems upgrading apache2 in testing? I'm getting errors about a MaxClients limit being reached. |
| 18:13.35 | cadu | greycat: the new firefox doesn't addresses several changes ? |
| 18:13.40 | voxvirus | but i can't find info on how to setup X, so i can use it to play q3a |
| 18:13.45 | cadu | greycat: well, at least in testing it should enter :( |
| 18:13.54 | greycat | the only exception to that rule would be a security problem *so* complex and deep-rooted that updating to the newer upstream is the only fix. |
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| 18:13.59 | streuner | cadu: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mozilla-firefox.html |
| 18:14.11 | CHeVY-572 | Smerdyakov: why dun u set the MaxClients higher in the apache config file? |
| 18:14.13 | cadu | greycat : and firefox 'simple sid backport' failed to me... |
| 18:14.32 | Langly1 | make: ./Configure: Command not found |
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| 18:14.33 | cadu | greycat: wrong headers for freetype causing it to fail at some source |
| 18:14.35 | greycat | cadu: backporting big things can be hard because they may depend on newer debhelper, newer libs, ... |
| 18:14.38 | Langly1 | make: *** [config.mk] error 127 |
| 18:14.38 | Langly1 | [11:14:16] <Langly1> k |
| 18:14.41 | Smerdyakov | CHeVY-572, this is for a single HTTP request. I think something is fishy. |
| 18:14.51 | CHeVY-572 | ahh |
| 18:14.52 | Smerdyakov | CHeVY-572, and it worked before. |
| 18:14.53 | greycat | Langly1: stop fucking around and tell us WHAT YOU ARE DOING. |
| 18:15.05 | voxvirus | can anyone answer me please ?!? |
| 18:15.14 | voxvirus | :S |
| 18:15.17 | Langly1 | I have fucking told you |
| 18:15.23 | Langly1 | tryinf to compile a driver |
| 18:15.26 | gravity | voxvirus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:15.28 | goccia | today i went mad for sarge-firefox : somehow installing re1.5.0_04 it displayed 0_01 : it was pluginreg.dat |
| 18:15.30 | Langly1 | I even gave the site, and the damn guide |
| 18:15.33 | Langly1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.36 | voxvirus | gravity: thanks |
| 18:15.45 | greycat | Langly1: when? |
| 18:15.45 | bomb | Langly1: moron. |
| 18:15.51 | valdyn | !tell Langly1 -about ask |
| 18:15.57 | greycat | Langly1: I don't see any URLs in /lastlog Langly1 |
| 18:15.59 | valdyn | !tell Langly1 -about smart questions |
| 18:16.03 | Langly1 | http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php |
| 18:16.04 | Langly1 | To correct this problem you'll need to copy the kernel config file from your /boot directory to your build directory, try this command: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/.config (backtics, not single-quotes), if it fails then you'll need to ls /boot to view the contents of your /boot directory and determine from the listing what the actual filename of the correct kernel config file is and then substitute it for t |
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| 18:16.24 | Langly1 | the only problem IS i do not have a "/build" path |
| 18:16.33 | Langly1 | my question is bloody simple |
| 18:16.34 | D0C_ | mkdir /build |
| 18:16.39 | greycat | Langly1: not even after installing kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
| 18:16.41 | GnomeDesktop1337 | anybody know how to install debian on the ps2? |
| 18:16.49 | Langly1 | nope not even after that |
| 18:16.56 | greycat | Langly1: what does uname -r say? |
| 18:16.57 | valdyn | Langly1: forget about that text, just apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:17.06 | bomb | jesus what is the nick size limit on this network anyway |
| 18:17.13 | Langly1 | i installed kernel source and other build tools and anyways |
| 18:17.14 | greycat | bomb: 16 I think...? |
| 18:17.20 | bomb | word |
| 18:17.22 | greycat | !listkeys acx |
| 18:17.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'acx' by key (1): acx100. |
| 18:17.24 | Langly1 | <valdyn> Langly1: forget about that text, just apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) - I already did that |
| 18:17.26 | greycat | !acx100 |
| 18:17.26 | dpkg | acx100 is probably wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). |
| 18:17.52 | greycat | Langly1: what does "uname -r" say, and what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 18:17.52 | GnomeDesktop1337 | oh phuck gotta goh |
| 18:17.53 | valdyn | !info acx100-source sarge |
| 18:17.57 | GnomeDesktop1337 | ;alater |
| 18:18.02 | dpkg | acx100-source: (ACX100/ACX111 wireless network drivers source), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 0.2.0pre8+52-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 340 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
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| 18:18.28 | Langly1 | I think ive had it for today 4 hours of crap on this thing and ive had it for now |
| 18:18.29 | greycat | http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php is NOT a debian howto. I doubt it's correct for sarge. |
| 18:18.43 | greycat | Langly1: did you attempt to do it the Debian way, using m-a? |
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| 18:18.55 | greycat | Langly1: and why are you not willing to answer my questions? |
| 18:18.56 | streuner | greycat: no entry for interfaces |
| 18:18.56 | valdyn | this is quit easy to install, but i recall this does not work with 2.4.x kernels |
| 18:18.58 | cadu | greycat: i see :( |
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| 18:19.04 | CosmoDad | what's the difference between x-window-system and xserver-xfree86? I don't get it |
| 18:19.05 | Langly1 | m-a? |
| 18:19.12 | greycat | CosmoDad: apt-cache show x-window-system |
| 18:19.16 | greycat | !m-a |
| 18:19.16 | dpkg | somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
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| 18:19.36 | mikael | Are there dns tools like 'dig' for debian? |
| 18:19.37 | gravity | CosmoDad: The first is a metapackage. The second contains the actual server, but not a bunch of the other stuff you want |
| 18:19.37 | CHeVY-572 | i'm trying to print to a windows share printer and when i press print the file goes to the windows printer spool but never does spool just saying spooling and nothing happens... any ideas? |
| 18:19.39 | Langly1 | k, ive already got all that installed |
| 18:19.39 | greycat | Langly1: apt-get install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a build acx100 (or something) |
| 18:19.48 | valdyn | mikael: yes, called 'dig' |
| 18:19.53 | Langly1 | thx greycat |
| 18:19.59 | greycat | mikael: /msg dpkg dig |
| 18:20.22 | greycat | maybe even m-a auto-install acx100 |
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| 18:20.26 | CosmoDad | greycat: so the x-window-system incorporates a "wider" range of tools? |
| 18:20.36 | greycat | CosmoDad: read the package description and the dependencies! |
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| 18:20.50 | mikael | greycat: thanks! I though dig was a package of its own. |
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| 18:20.55 | CosmoDad | greycat: ok now I see |
| 18:21.06 | phretor | hi there |
| 18:21.11 | voxvirus | bye all |
| 18:21.16 | goccia | dig it is buried deep by default |
| 18:21.29 | greycat | !smite goccia |
| 18:21.45 | D0C_ | dear god |
| 18:21.45 | goccia | i'll have it yeahhhhhhhhh |
| 18:21.52 | D0C_ | that was awefull |
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| 18:22.36 | cadu | greycat: ssh would be a damn good choice really |
| 18:22.40 | cadu | greycat: extremely useful :) |
| 18:22.44 | goccia | give those crappy idiots to me : i'll install them up on a ps2 (someone asked before) |
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| 18:22.53 | greycat | maybe now that it's split up, openssh-client could be. |
| 18:22.54 | cadu | Debian-PS2 :) |
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| 18:24.23 | goccia | i heard ps3 will be supported : or was another "bad press" bullshit ? :) |
| 18:24.27 | bomb | trippy |
| 18:24.38 | bomb | i can't switch windows when i reconnect to a screen in an xterm |
| 18:25.12 | goccia | ps3 , they say. will be the most powerful pc ever : hahahah |
| 18:25.18 | D0C_ | lmao |
| 18:25.25 | tonsofpcs | goccia - more powerful than the C=64? |
| 18:25.35 | D0C_ | it should smoke this 4800+ X2 next to me |
| 18:25.37 | D0C_ | NOT |
| 18:27.06 | D0C_ | I wonder if apt-get install redhat will work on the PS3 ? |
| 18:27.27 | CHeVY-572 | lol |
| 18:27.29 | goccia | tonsofpcs: you know better then me :) |
| 18:27.31 | Py | is there a way to allow the hard drive of a box to stop turning if no activity for a while? |
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| 18:27.51 | greycat | Py: maybe hdparm? |
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| 18:29.32 | wold | how do I know which sound driver I should choose.. in alsaconfig? |
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| 18:29.48 | D0C_ | wold: lspci says ? |
| 18:29.49 | greycat | wold: lspci | grep -i audio |
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| 18:30.08 | D0C_ | hahaha gmta greycat |
| 18:30.16 | wold | wold, nothing comes up.. |
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| 18:30.22 | greycat | you have an ISA card, then? |
| 18:30.29 | wold | ops.. DOC_ greycat :) |
| 18:30.31 | wold | yes |
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| 18:30.43 | wold | i've tried to run pnpdump |
| 18:30.45 | greycat | wold: install the isapnp utils, and try pnpdump |
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| 18:31.09 | wold | greycat, already done |
| 18:31.09 | Newbie | Cna I do apt-get install freebsd or do I have to download and burn the install CD? |
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| 18:31.14 | greycat | wold: what did it say? |
| 18:31.20 | Newbie | *ducks* |
| 18:31.27 | greycat | Newbie: yes. |
| 18:31.37 | Newbie | greycat: Nice. |
| 18:31.38 | wold | lots of "Trying port address".. |
| 18:31.51 | wold | greycat, and: # No boards found |
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| 18:31.54 | greycat | wold: open the machine up and look inside it. |
| 18:32.05 | greycat | wold: find the sound card and see what it is. |
| 18:32.07 | D0C_ | Newbie, try apt-get install a_clue ~(o: |
| 18:32.10 | wold | greycat, ok |
| 18:32.24 | greycat | D0C_: _ is not valid in pkg names |
| 18:32.35 | D0C_ | damn |
| 18:32.43 | D0C_ | hahaha |
| 18:32.46 | CHeVY-572 | it's a - |
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| 18:32.47 | CHeVY-572 | haha |
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| 18:32.52 | Newbie | This was an experiment |
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| 18:33.05 | greycat | bastards! there's already a package called clue, but it's being renamed. |
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| 18:33.16 | cadu | greycat: rofl. |
| 18:33.22 | D0C_ | what ya building greycat ? |
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| 18:33.27 | tonsofpcs | greycat - trying to make a game? |
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| 18:33.33 | greycat | maybe after it's been transitioned we can build a package that's *really* a clue. |
| 18:33.42 | tonsofpcs | make cluedo |
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| 18:33.43 | greycat | tonsofpcs: no, it should be something like funny-manpages |
| 18:33.52 | D0C_ | hahaha |
| 18:34.28 | giggsey | I want to do a netinstall (via cd), where is the download? - So basically, I put in the cd, it starts the installation process, and it downloads all the files needed etc |
| 18:34.45 | greycat | !d-i |
| 18:34.45 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
| 18:34.46 | giggsey | atm I have found http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/rc3/images/netboot/, but I'm not sure if thats the right folder |
| 18:34.58 | greycat | giggsey: you dno't want a release candidate. |
| 18:35.03 | Maulkin | Anyone know if there's a good way of extracting the current folder name in mutt so that it can be used within a hook? |
| 18:35.11 | greycat | ask #mutt |
| 18:35.15 | giggsey | kk greycat |
| 18:35.35 | giggsey | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
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| 18:35.53 | giggsey | thats where I am atm |
| 18:36.04 | greycat | !d-i |
| 18:36.04 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
| 18:36.18 | cadu | !botabuse |
| 18:36.19 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 18:36.22 | cadu | :P greycat |
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| 18:36.32 | giggsey | greycat, I don't know what one to download though... |
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| 18:36.44 | greycat | giggsey: then read the documentation that's also linked from that page. |
| 18:36.53 | greycat | giggsey: usually, if you have to ask, you want the i386 net install CD image. |
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| 18:38.13 | giggsey | so I am here (http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/), what do I download to burn onto a CD |
| 18:38.35 | briankeys | I need to count the daily traffic of my interfaces for packets destined for a certain subnet, then call a script when it reaches XXX GB/Day. What would be the best way to do this? :) |
| 18:38.36 | greycat | my GOD. |
| 18:38.48 | D0C_ | hehe |
| 18:39.06 | greycat | giggsey: RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE D-I PAGE there is a line of links that says "netinst CD image (100 Mb)" and "[alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc]" |
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| 18:39.32 | goccia | briankeys: vnstat ? |
| 18:39.44 | webfreak | greycat: having fun? :) |
| 18:39.48 | giggsey | ok, thanks you greycat :P |
| 18:39.51 | giggsey | *-s |
| 18:39.52 | briankeys | goccia, i'll take a look. any other ideas? :) |
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| 18:40.32 | leleobhz | i wat to install debian on a zip drive |
| 18:40.39 | leleobhz | a minimal |
| 18:40.46 | goccia | briankeys: slurm : but i'm addicted to space invaders :) |
| 18:40.52 | leleobhz | the kernel of boot cd have imm module? |
| 18:41.11 | leleobhz | and the install reads scsi zip interface to install? |
| 18:41.28 | D0C_ | wget http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 18:41.31 | greycat | !listkeys config-2.4 |
| 18:41.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'config-2.4' by key (1): config-2.4.18-bf2.4. |
| 18:41.33 | amimusa | hi |
| 18:41.35 | greycat | bah. |
| 18:41.45 | cadu | briankeys : it runs linux ? :P |
| 18:41.50 | giggsey | Now to wait 30 minutes |
| 18:42.00 | amimusa | i'm trying to burn an iso in text console, i don't kwno how to use cdrecord... any help. please ? |
| 18:42.02 | briankeys | hoho ;) |
| 18:42.16 | cmihai | man cdrecord. Looks pretty handy. |
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| 18:42.39 | goccia | and well written too |
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| 18:43.14 | amimusa | i'm reading it but i dont understand some issues |
| 18:43.25 | briankeys | goccia: vnstat wont do what I need :) |
| 18:43.33 | amphi | amimusa: if you set up /etc/default/cdrecord properly, you can just do cdrecord foo.iso |
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| 18:44.11 | greycat | !punish google for not being able to find config-2.4.27-2.386 |
| 18:44.26 | dogmeat | brutal |
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| 18:44.51 | briankeys | Also, say my switch has a web interface that tells my traffic. Is there a similiar program like Lynx that could send requests out specific interfaces? |
| 18:44.51 | wold | greycat, I found out it was a ess audio card... |
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| 18:45.05 | wold | greycat, but after I choose io port.. it just stops |
| 18:45.07 | goccia | briankeys: shorewall traffic accounting in google ? |
| 18:45.08 | greycat | wold: that sounds like a soundblaster compatible, then... ask #alsa. |
| 18:45.12 | amimusa | amphi, but how to set up propoerly ?¿ |
| 18:45.16 | briankeys | Hmm.. |
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| 18:45.29 | amimusa | if i write cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb -scanbus |
| 18:45.36 | leleobhz | D0C_, im downloading this |
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| 18:45.40 | amimusa | i get where my CDRW is |
| 18:45.43 | amimusa | ok... |
| 18:45.50 | leleobhz | but my doubt is about the installer |
| 18:45.58 | frankie | amimusa: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ATAPI_CD_Burning but for gentoo specifics it is ok for you too |
| 18:46.03 | leleobhz | it must accept install on scsi |
| 18:46.16 | leleobhz | and i have just 70mb to install |
| 18:46.25 | leleobhz | just kernel and webserver |
| 18:46.46 | leleobhz | webserver, ftp, ssh. |
| 18:47.06 | wold | greycat, oke. thx |
| 18:47.25 | greycat | arc1:/var/tmp/foo/boot$ scp config-2.4.27-2-386 greg@wooledge.org:public_html/ |
| 18:47.44 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 18:47.59 | greycat | dpkg, config-2.4.27-2-386 is http://wooledge.org/~greg/config-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:47.59 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 18:48.25 | greycat | I'd hate to have to download ELEVEN FUCKING MEGABYTES at home just to do that, but at work, that's only a few seconds. |
| 18:48.35 | greycat | then I dpkg -x it, and scp the config file that I want back to the home box |
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| 18:48.55 | greycat | now, who was it that wanted to know that imm thing... |
| 18:49.05 | greycat | leleobhz: /msg dpkg config-2.4.27-2.386 |
| 18:49.07 | greycat | ooops. |
| 18:49.09 | greycat | leleobhz: /msg dpkg config-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 18:50.36 | amimusa | i write cdrecord /dev/hdb myiso.iso and i get a message telling me that cannot open /dev/pg1 device |
| 18:50.45 | amimusa | cannot open SCSI device |
| 18:50.49 | amimusa | driver, sorry |
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| 18:51.37 | amimusa | i get the target with cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb -scanbus |
| 18:51.39 | amimusa | ah! ok |
| 18:51.49 | shoust | this vmwareworkstation is not letting me uninstall anything :-| |
| 18:51.53 | amimusa | now it works... i forget dev option before /dev/hdb |
| 18:52.10 | shoust | damn half installed/purged thing |
| 18:52.42 | amimusa | where can i find info about burn modes ? |
| 18:52.55 | leleobhz | greycat, THANKS! But another, i can force debian installer for a partition? |
| 18:52.57 | amphi | amimusa: man cdrecord has some info IIRC |
| 18:53.08 | leleobhz | because zip is on /dev/sda4 |
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| 18:53.12 | greycat | shoust: "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal."? |
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| 18:53.16 | leleobhz | slack doesnt moiunt |
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| 18:53.25 | greycat | leleobhz: you can try. |
| 18:53.26 | leleobhz | suse dont read sda4 |
| 18:53.30 | leleobhz | ... |
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| 18:53.32 | leleobhz | i will |
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| 18:53.39 | goccia | leleobhz: i've dne a install by iomega |
| 18:53.41 | shoust | greycat: yeah.. but i install it.. still errors etc |
| 18:53.42 | goccia | done* |
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| 18:53.48 | greycat | leleobhz: if you can't figure it out from the install guide and the expert mode prompts, ask #debian-boot |
| 18:53.56 | shoust | i converted the rpm to deb then installed the deb.. |
| 18:54.00 | greycat | shoust: IS THAT the error you are getting? |
| 18:54.09 | leleobhz | greycat, ok |
| 18:54.10 | shoust | greycat: yes |
| 18:54.16 | greycat | shoust: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement |
| 18:54.25 | greycat | !errors |
| 18:54.25 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 18:54.27 | leleobhz | thank very much! |
| 18:54.58 | leleobhz | (lets me try i have net install :) ) |
| 18:55.45 | amimusa | gr8, i have my backup |
| 18:55.46 | dogmeat | how do i disable appletalk daemon from starting? since i dont have macs attached to my network, it seems pointless to run it unless there's another reason for running it |
| 18:56.12 | greycat | dogmeat: remove it |
| 18:56.34 | amimusa | now i'm thinking one issue, i have my server really far from me, maybe can i create a script |
| 18:56.35 | goccia | really zen |
| 18:57.06 | amimusa | to backup every weeks the datas i specified in a folder and i create them with mkisofs ? |
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| 18:57.47 | amimusa | i will do this in a cd-rw and if it is full delete it and restart |
| 18:58.10 | amimusa | is this possible and usefull in your opinion ? |
| 18:58.37 | goccia | sounds familiar : deja vu , a wheel thing :) |
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| 18:59.25 | lanir | hey, if i want to make runlevel 1 to takeplace when the machine is restarted, how i can do it ? |
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| 18:59.45 | amimusa | at /etc/rc.d/ |
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| 18:59.51 | amimusa | i think |
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| 19:00.20 | amimusa | well, i will plan to do this script when i can and will see if this works or not |
| 19:00.24 | amimusa | thanks |
| 19:00.25 | amimusa | bye |
| 19:00.48 | shoust | where do i get gcc version 4.0.1 |
| 19:01.04 | greycat | !iyhtays |
| 19:01.04 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 19:01.34 | SimonRaven | test |
| 19:01.38 | SimonRaven | ah better |
| 19:01.43 | streuner | failed |
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| 19:01.48 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 19:02.07 | streuner | shoust: out of interest, why do you think you need 4.0.1? |
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| 19:02.39 | Insipid | looking at python for the first time after coding in java.... im in love |
| 19:02.41 | greycat | streuner: a dollar says he's trying to build some sort of kernelspace driver |
| 19:02.58 | greycat | or *use* a pre-built binary kernelspace driver |
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| 19:04.27 | briankeys | Is there a simple http client (like wget) that you can specify which interface to use? |
| 19:04.38 | phretor | briankeys: interface? |
| 19:04.45 | greycat | presumably he means network interface |
| 19:04.47 | briankeys | network interface ;) |
| 19:04.48 | briankeys | sorry! |
| 19:04.50 | greycat | but I'm not sure WHY he thinks that matters. |
| 19:04.52 | phretor | briankeys: curl |
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| 19:05.09 | shoust | greycat: thanks :) |
| 19:05.12 | lanir | how i can restor my machine to the most basic mode, all my apt system got crazy .... :( |
| 19:05.32 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 19:05.32 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES ANAL LEAKAGE! |
| 19:05.50 | valdyn | briankeys: that's not what such a tool can do. |
| 19:06.12 | greycat | briankeys: perhaps if you said what you're trying to do...? |
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| 19:06.33 | briankeys | :O you really wanna know? :) |
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| 19:06.49 | nmoore | hi, i recently swapped root and home partitions, but now that i've apt-getted another kernel the old partitioning scheme seems to have re-appeared in my grub/menu.lst, does anyone know what the source of this information is so that i can change it? |
| 19:06.57 | SimonRaven | @tell _root -about root |
| 19:07.06 | greycat | well, at this point we don't even know whether you're trying to override the routing table for outgoing packets, or choose which of your local addresses is shown as the "source address". |
| 19:07.14 | goccia | i must check carefully what i have in the clipboard : google is getting my secrets |
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| 19:07.30 | karma1 | hmm, quick question: I cant seem to locate my windows filesystem anywhere ever since I installed Debian. When I had Suse a few days ago it was in /windows/C/ but now I dunno what happened |
| 19:07.43 | greycat | naked picture branden robinson |
| 19:07.50 | greycat | oops! yeah, I see what you mean, goccia! |
| 19:07.57 | goccia | greycat: hehehe :) |
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| 19:08.17 | SimonRaven | gol'damn!!! ;p |
| 19:08.24 | JeffH | what's a good software package to do mail lists that is compatible with postfix? |
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| 19:08.45 | greycat | karma1: dpkg -l /dev/hda |
| 19:08.49 | greycat | shit. |
| 19:08.52 | greycat | karma1: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 19:09.01 | frankie | JeffH: mailman, smartlist or whatever |
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| 19:09.10 | JeffH | frankie: thanks. |
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| 19:10.26 | Ajeet | Hello, I'm about to do a Debian net-install (1st time using Debian), if I leave 20GB or so of unallocated space on my hd, will the Debian installer detect it? |
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| 19:10.43 | greycat | by the way, if anyone got "m-a a-i acx100" to work, we'd really appreciate hearing an "it worked!" so we can alter the dpkg acx100 factoid. |
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| 19:10.53 | karma1 | greycat, thanks, that lists the partitions and I see the windows partition, but I'm looking to be able to access it, would this be done by mounting it? |
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| 19:11.02 | greycat | karma1: yes. see man mount, man fstab |
| 19:11.04 | streuner | greycat: iam going to buy one... |
| 19:11.12 | karma1 | greycat, kk, thanks |
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| 19:11.31 | Ajeet | karma1: there is a thread on the official Debian forums on that exact matter, the solution is there... |
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| 19:11.49 | greycat | you need a "solution" for mounting a partition? |
| 19:12.05 | Ajeet | No, I meant to see and access the windows partition... |
| 19:12.06 | streuner | greycat: somebody saying Draytek USB 520 has acx100 inside, i have one... |
| 19:12.26 | Ajeet | Anyway, could someone please help me with my query? |
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| 19:12.34 | BusMaster | Ajeet, its as simple as mkdir /win;mount /dev/hdxy /win |
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| 19:12.44 | greycat | Ajeet: you can leave unused space, yes. |
| 19:12.55 | Ajeet | ... And the installer detects it? |
| 19:12.56 | greycat | Ajeet: you can partition any way you want. |
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| 19:13.09 | shoust | how can i do this? "or restart /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl |
| 19:13.09 | shoust | with CC environment variable pointing to the "gcc" version "3.3.4"." |
| 19:13.25 | greycat | shoust: export CC=gcc-3.3 |
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| 19:13.59 | shoust | where i put that? |
| 19:14.08 | greycat | HTFWIK? |
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| 19:14.55 | Ajeet | Just out of interest, what version of Gnome and which branch (i.e. testing) is everyone using? |
| 19:14.55 | SimonRaven | translation: HTF would i know? |
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| 19:15.08 | greycat | here's a better question -- why are people who don't even know what an environment variable is, spending hundreds of dollars on proprietary development tools? |
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| 19:15.20 | manu | debian stable netinstallation fails too often :( |
| 19:15.21 | greycat | Ajeet: none, of course. |
| 19:15.25 | SimonRaven | greycat++ |
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| 19:15.58 | shoust | ok |
| 19:16.14 | Ajeet | manu: Tell me more... |
| 19:16.18 | greycat | manu: I've never had an i386 machine yet that I couldn't install sarge onto. |
| 19:16.24 | Ajeet | I really could do without mine failing... |
| 19:16.26 | SimonRaven | i think you mean e.g. e.g. is "for example", and i.e. is "that is" |
| 19:16.42 | briankeys | manu, ive never had one fail either |
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| 19:16.59 | SimonRaven | i wonder why people get those 2 confused... like loose and lose.. or they're their there... |
| 19:17.08 | manu | Ajeet: It fails during retreiving pacj\kage |
| 19:17.14 | manu | *package |
| 19:17.16 | Ajeet | Hhmm... |
| 19:17.18 | jair_11 | guys which is the faster way for me to add the non-free servers to my source.list? debian sarge stable 3.1 |
| 19:17.19 | BusMaster | SimonRaven, because they are not native english speakers |
| 19:17.21 | greycat | although that one doctor with the non-bootable CD-ROM and the PXE NIC hasn't brought his back yet for a second try. I couldn't get PXE booting working for the *life* of me back in the woody days when we first tried it. |
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| 19:17.37 | greycat | I hear that PXE is actually *documented* now. |
| 19:18.03 | BusMaster | greycat, just curious...what do you do for a living? |
| 19:18.10 | greycat | sysadmin |
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| 19:18.18 | SimonRaven | that's bullshit, some so-called native engllish speakers make those mistakes all the time, and some so-called non-native english speakers don't. poor grammar skills is what |
| 19:18.19 | manu | greycat: Where? |
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| 19:18.27 | greycat | manu: in a hospital |
| 19:18.46 | BusMaster | greycat, are you a debian developer? |
| 19:18.47 | SimonRaven | and it was rhetorical anyway |
| 19:18.49 | greycat | BusMaster: no |
| 19:18.58 | greycat | jair_11: change "main" to "main contrib non-free" |
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| 19:20.07 | manu | greycat: cool place to do administration |
| 19:20.15 | jair_11 | greycat, but I have this right now:deb ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ sarge main |
| 19:20.31 | greycat | and...? |
| 19:20.58 | jair_11 | it start with deb not with main |
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| 19:21.07 | jair_11 | sorry greycat end |
| 19:21.12 | jair_11 | sarge main |
| 19:21.26 | greycat | jair_11: consider it an IQ test. |
| 19:21.26 | jair_11 | ohhh |
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| 19:21.35 | jair_11 | greycat, hahaa |
| 19:21.41 | jair_11 | greycat, i see what you mean |
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| 19:22.22 | jair_11 | greycat, it can be the same and look like this: ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 19:22.32 | greycat | !congratulate jair_11 |
| 19:22.33 | dpkg | Huzzah jair_11, you did it! |
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| 19:23.29 | greycat | damned turks. |
| 19:23.43 | jair_11 | thank you |
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| 19:23.45 | jair_11 | ;) |
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| 19:24.12 | SimonRaven | spam and worm infested turks... seen a lot of german hosts, some from the u.s. too |
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| 19:24.22 | jair_11 | greycat, but I do not need to comment out the current one? right |
| 19:24.31 | jair_11 | greycat, I just have to add that line |
| 19:24.41 | greycat | 15:18 greycat> jair_11: change "main" to "main contrib non-free" |
| 19:25.06 | jair_11 | as well the one that start with src I mean all the three lines I have here |
| 19:25.07 | jair_11 | ? |
| 19:25.12 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know where I can find step - by - step instructions for loading grub mbr to a drive after booting from a live CD? |
| 19:25.19 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 19:25.27 | jair_11 | greycat, line 2 deb-src ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ sarge main |
| 19:25.47 | jair_11 | greycat, line 3: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main |
| 19:25.57 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: 1) boot, wait until it's prompting. 2) alt-f2. 3) mount the partition. 4) chroot into it. 5) install GRUB or LILO |
| 19:25.59 | jair_11 | I think I just need to change the first 2 |
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| 19:26.29 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: alt-f2? |
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| 19:26.40 | greycat | press <ALT> and <F2> at the same time. |
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| 19:26.55 | shoust | anyone got to install vmware on debian? |
| 19:27.01 | Fluten | is there any way to do on the fly copying of a cd in linux? I googled it, and all the ones i found wanted me to make an image first. |
| 19:27.01 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: cmon... hahaha I mean what does it do? |
| 19:27.03 | jsan | my friends i dont remember root password, i use GRUB, how i change my password ? |
| 19:27.06 | cmihai | yeah |
| 19:27.07 | cmihai | vmware 5 here. works ok. |
| 19:27.10 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: the same thing it does at the normal linux console. |
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| 19:27.19 | TwistedEmotions | shoust: I tried 7000 times didnt work.. |
| 19:27.22 | greycat | jsan: /msg dpkg I forgot root's password |
| 19:27.23 | shoust | trying to install the header files |
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| 19:27.31 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: switch to second consul? |
| 19:27.34 | shoust | the c header files |
| 19:27.38 | TwistedEmotions | *console |
| 19:27.41 | greycat | !b-e shoust |
| 19:27.42 | dpkg | shoust: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 19:27.50 | TwistedEmotions | kk thanks will give it a try |
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| 19:28.38 | shoust | thanks |
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| 19:30.02 | giggsey | Is there a tool I can get that goes onto a floppy, and makes my pc boot from CD, because I'm not sure I can boot from a CD |
| 19:30.31 | greycat | giggsey: just get the floppy images, then. |
| 19:30.34 | greycat | !d-i |
| 19:30.34 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
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| 19:31.48 | acollins | can anyone point me to instructions on getting file locks working with nfs? |
| 19:32.03 | giggsey | grecat, I've already got the cd netinstall and its all brunt |
| 19:32.06 | giggsey | *burnt |
| 19:32.10 | greycat | step 1: you don't. |
| 19:32.17 | greycat | although I hear that NFSv4 might support locking. |
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| 19:32.59 | shoust | cant find autoconf.h |
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| 19:33.36 | streuner | !find autoconf.h |
| 19:33.41 | giggsey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto |
| 19:33.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'autoconf.h' (6 of 58): (/usr/share/doc/jade/autoconf.htm) in text/jade ;; (/usr/share/doc/opensp/autoconf.htm) in text/opensp ;; (/usr/include/Tw/Twautoconf.h) in libdevel/libtw-dev ;; (/usr/lib/ghc-6.4/include/ghcautoconf.h) in devel/ghc6 ;; (/usr/share/doc/openjade/autoconf.htm) in text/openjade ;; (/usr/share/doc/autoconf/autoconf.html) in devel/autoconf. |
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| 19:34.09 | giggsey | I knew I could greycat |
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| 19:34.41 | streuner | shoust: you haven't prolly kernel-headers installed... |
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| 19:35.36 | streuner | !tell shoust about search |
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| 19:35.55 | pnm | yo.. I've got problems with apt and verification. Every time I try to apt-get install something it says the packages can't be verified. Any ideas? |
| 19:36.18 | pnm | I always get the message "Install these packages without verification? [y/N]" |
| 19:36.42 | spldart | Need advice: I have k6-2 500, 256 meg ram, 1.7 gig master, 4 gig slave (data for web server)... I have netinst sarge on machine and am looking for good combo of additional apps but to stay small in hdd space |
| 19:37.01 | streuner | pnm: visit the website you want download those packages and look for the key you have to add |
| 19:37.14 | spldart | want simple but effective desktop, want to compile newest versions of bzflag, apache2 and samba |
| 19:37.24 | pnm | streuner: I just want to use the packages from the standard debian repository :S |
| 19:38.04 | spldart | also didn't know if I should stick with aptitude or apt-get all the stuff I want |
| 19:38.04 | nvz | my lazy bother is trying to get me to do is science experiment for him. I filled in the problem and the experiment, he's got to do the rest.. its bad enough out of him and my parents they couldnt figure out how to make a pre-marked paper helo spin |
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| 19:39.08 | dogmeat | i saw some bootup error messages reported, but its not in /var/log/messages or dmesg. did they get logged? |
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| 19:39.15 | britt | hello folks |
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| 19:39.22 | valdyn | dogmeat: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 19:39.26 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 19:39.44 | nvz | I need to start tutoring children or something I like learning stuff and teaching.. and I wouldnt let them get away with being lazy asses |
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| 19:39.56 | nvz | britt: salut. |
| 19:40.05 | britt | what steps do i need to take to get php4 and mysql to talk to apache2 on my linode |
| 19:40.26 | nvz | wtf is a linode |
| 19:40.33 | nvz | does it run debian? |
| 19:40.43 | spldart | best way to end up with desktop with some basic windoze like functions, apache2, samba, an efficient web browser and perhaps gcc is a better way of putting it. |
| 19:40.43 | britt | nvz: learn something new... ;) www.linode.com |
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| 19:41.06 | orchid | spldart: xfce4 should run ok on that, I would even look at really light desktops, fluxbox and friends, as for apt-get/aptitude, Ive always used apt-get with no problems but aptitude is quite popular now too, just stick to one whatever you choose |
| 19:41.23 | nvz | britt: every man likes a little piece of ass from time to time.. no man likes a smart ass ;) |
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| 19:41.45 | Maulkin | britt: apt-get install mysql-server libapache-php4 php4 apache php4-mysql |
| 19:41.48 | britt | nvz: just playing man...i hope you see it |
| 19:41.55 | spldart | Is there a way to get xfce4 to auto start at boot? I tried it but am not familiar with it |
| 19:41.56 | spldart | and thanks |
| 19:42.14 | britt | Maulkin: OH YEAH! I see it now...didnt connect php4 and mysql |
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| 19:42.33 | Maulkin | britt: Next time: "apt-cache search php mysql" :) |
| 19:42.35 | nvz | britt: well according to the site its a UML VM and could contain any OS. yours has debian yes/no? |
| 19:42.40 | orchid | spldart: you can install gdm and select xfce4 from that |
| 19:42.53 | britt | nvz: yes. 3.1 |
| 19:43.02 | spldart | okies... I'll try that :) |
| 19:43.09 | shoust | best place to find kernel headers? want to find headers for 2.6.7 |
| 19:43.26 | valdyn | shoust: for a debian kernel image? |
| 19:43.30 | Maulkin | shoust: wither kernel.org or apt-get install kernel-headers-version |
| 19:43.51 | nvz | britt: you got 6 servers you just bought you said are they all linodes or physical systems you have? |
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| 19:44.07 | orchid | spldart: if youve done a netinstall, install stuff as you need it, when you want a browser, choose one and install it, when you want an editor go get one, ditto for apache2 and samba |
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| 19:45.09 | shoust | couldnt find that header package... |
| 19:45.14 | spldart | ok... I'm just not used to this picking and choosing my install packages thing |
| 19:45.28 | djwikkid | would anyone be available to help me getting the mysqldb libraries installed for python on debian? i've apt-get install python and python-mysqldb, that didn't do it... i compiled python from source, and tried to compile mysqldb-python from source, and i get lots of compiler errors... |
| 19:45.30 | orchid | spldart: that way on your machine you can look for "lighter" apps, like mutt instead of evolution for example |
| 19:45.39 | britt | nvz: real servers....like 4 IBM Pc servers, and 1 Proliant 6000/200 and 1 other dual xeon unit |
| 19:45.39 | Maulkin | spldart: I'd agree with orchid here. If you want advice about which specific bits of software (eg: a webserver) will run under a particular restricted resouces environment, we may be able to help. |
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| 19:46.00 | Maulkin | spldart: Generally though, no answer we can give would work, cause the question is too broad :) |
| 19:46.04 | nvz | britt: why playing around with a linode you have to payfor and cant touch when you have 6 servers of your own? |
| 19:46.07 | britt | nvz: i also have a dual Ppro system but static IP addressing keeps on locking up linux or something... |
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| 19:46.30 | orchid | spldart: yeah it can be a pain, but a complete desktop like gnome or kde will bring that machine to a crawl most likely |
| 19:46.37 | britt | nvz: becuase my real servers are 2 hours away...and i cant touch any of my servers :) |
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| 19:46.42 | Maulkin | djwikkid: How did you do so? |
| 19:46.43 | spldart | ic... yeah.. gnome was kinda slow |
| 19:46.59 | Maulkin | djwikkid: And what do you mean by 'didn't work'? |
| 19:47.09 | spldart | I want reliable and reasonable speed but with just enough similarity to windows that I can get by |
| 19:47.20 | djwikkid | maulkin: didn't work meaning i couldn't do an "import MySQLdb" from python |
| 19:47.24 | nvz | britt: whatever pulls your bandwagon, I suppose ;) |
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| 19:47.31 | Maulkin | djwikkid: Any errors? |
| 19:47.34 | britt | nvz: lol |
| 19:48.03 | spldart | So get xcfe first then gdm (spelling) |
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| 19:48.35 | djwikkid | maulkin: python said "can't find _mysql"... so i went to install the mysqldb for python and gcc first said "can't find a bunch of header files".. i put those header files in the directory, now i get a bunch of errors with the @ symbol |
| 19:49.02 | manu | how to upgrade from stable to untable after netinstall pinning? |
| 19:49.09 | greycat | !sid upgrade |
| 19:49.10 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 19:49.10 | orchid | spldart: sure, you can do both of those at once probably |
| 19:49.22 | spldart | k thanks |
| 19:49.25 | nvz | my father is bored so I am talking him into taking me to the guitar store.. cause I need strings and he doesnt have anything he needs cause he's pretty much bought everything best buy or circuit city owns already :P |
| 19:49.31 | spldart | :) |
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| 19:49.35 | Maulkin | djwikkid: ok... how are you building the package? |
| 19:49.41 | Maulkin | djwikkid: Where did you get the source from? |
| 19:49.45 | john | What is the command to shut off monitor power management? |
| 19:49.46 | nvz | s/owns/sells/ |
| 19:49.56 | nvz | john: depends on if its console or X |
| 19:50.01 | john | X |
| 19:50.02 | greycat | john: remove the DPMS option from the X config, I'd think. |
| 19:50.15 | nvz | john: xset s off; xset -dpms |
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| 19:50.43 | djwikkid | maulkin: first i just tried apt-get install python, then apt-get install python-mysqldb ... to no avail... later, i got the source from python.org, compiled that (worked great)... then got the source from the mysqldb libraries for python (off of sourceforge) |
| 19:50.44 | nvz | john: also what greycat said.. but I dont think that effects the screensaver blanking (xset s off) just the DPMS |
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| 19:51.21 | manu | how to upgrade from stable to testing |
| 19:51.24 | Maulkin | djwikkid: That may or may not work, I can't really help if you're using sources from outside of debian. I would suggest using "apt-get source package" |
| 19:51.26 | greycat | dpkg: stable->testing |
| 19:51.27 | dpkg | it has been said that stable->testing is edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'testing' (but comment out security.debian.org's line). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Two important things: testing gets NO security updates. Deal, or go home. Secondly, you MUST subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) or I will come and pour hot grits down ... |
| 19:51.38 | britt | manu: change your apt sources |
| 19:51.42 | greycat | !testing security |
| 19:51.42 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing.debian.net/ ;) |
| 19:51.44 | manu | ok |
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| 19:52.02 | Maulkin | ack... |
| 19:52.07 | djwikkid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:52.19 | shoust | what happens if i cant find 2.6.7 kernel headers? |
| 19:52.26 | john | nvz, greycat: Thank you :P |
| 19:52.26 | Maulkin | !no, testing security is <reply> Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
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| 19:53.23 | djwikkid | maulkin: "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" where could i find source uris? |
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| 19:53.54 | nvz | hmm people are actually trying to make security updates for testing.. that goes to show that people are too lazy to use fixes from sid and rather someone else do the work for them I guess |
| 19:54.12 | greycat | nvz: this has been planned for a year. |
| 19:54.14 | Maulkin | djwikkid: copy your 'deb' line and change 'deb' to 'deb-src' |
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| 19:54.19 | Maulkin | djwikkid: apt-get update |
| 19:54.27 | djwikkid | maulkin: excellent, thanks. |
| 19:54.30 | greycat | djwikkid: copy your deb line and change deb to deb-src on the second instance |
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| 19:54.49 | djwikkid | thanks greycat |
| 19:54.50 | djwikkid | :) |
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| 19:54.58 | Maulkin | nvz: Well, in a way. Same could be said for stable though :) |
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| 19:55.16 | Maulkin | nvz: Oh, and we *are* making security-updates for testing :) |
| 19:55.18 | greycat | !source |
| 19:55.18 | dpkg | Use 'apt-setup' to add a deb-src line to your sources.list. Then 'apt-get build-dep foo' to fetch the build deps, then finally 'apt-get [-b] source foo' to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc. The source is unpacked in `pwd` and the diff.gz is applied. -b compiles it for you; if you want to compile it yourself, use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" from within the unpacked dir. Don't forget to install debhelper! |
| 19:55.29 | nvz | Maulkin: yeah but stable needs security updates to be stable.. testing doesnt need it to be testing. |
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| 19:55.41 | Maulkin | nvz: point. |
| 19:55.43 | greycat | nvz: it's because of the three-year release "cycle". |
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| 19:55.53 | Maulkin | heh |
| 19:56.07 | greycat | nvz: people "upgrade" to testing because THEY JUST *HAFF* TO HAVE THEIR $600 VIDEO CARDZ!!! |
| 19:56.11 | nvz | Maulkin: I think its a good idea though making it easier to stay somewhat secure and stable in testing may encourage more people to help test |
| 19:56.23 | rrt | Is anyone using Thunderbird in Sarge having problems getting email messages with attachments? |
| 19:56.47 | Maulkin | nvz: It's a case of "People have asked for it. Lots. So we'll try and provide it" |
| 19:57.01 | greycat | try *to*. |
| 19:57.13 | britt | quicktime codec for debian...where get do i? |
| 19:57.16 | Maulkin | greycat: Well, we're managing at the moment :) |
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| 19:57.21 | nvz | oh well I am going to get moving I guess |
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| 19:57.24 | jair_11 | guys i have my server running perfectly in sarge stable 3.1 |
| 19:57.33 | jair_11 | I install apache, 1.3.33 |
| 19:57.43 | jair_11 | and mysql server and client |
| 19:57.46 | greycat | and it's supposed to take place in early 20th century England, too. |
| 19:58.41 | jair_11 | I also installed php4 php4-mysql and I suppouse to type now my "ipaddress/phpmyadmin" and ask me for a user name and password. but it is giving me an error? |
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| 19:59.35 | rrt | what email does mozilla suite use? |
| 19:59.48 | Maulkin | jair_11: What's the error? |
| 19:59.48 | djwikkid | while i'm in here, might as well ask too... would any one have some suggestions on a good NOC with debian servers? on the cheap of course :) would need at least 10gb of disk space, at least 100gb transfer, enough processor / memory to support and icecast server and on the fly mp3 encoding... and of course, root access :) |
| 20:00.06 | Maulkin | jair_11: And did you 'apt-get install phpmyadmin' |
| 20:00.15 | jair_11 | Maulkin, phpmyadmin was not found in this server |
| 20:00.21 | jair_11 | hmmmm |
| 20:00.30 | Maulkin | jair_11: 'apt-get install phpmyadmin' |
| 20:00.40 | jair_11 | Maulkin, my friend I think that was the only thing i did not install let me doble check |
| 20:00.43 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 20:01.31 | jair_11 | Maulkin, you were right : phpmyadmin: |
| 20:01.31 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.31 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.36 | jair_11 | sorry |
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| 20:01.48 | Maulkin | :P |
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| 20:01.59 | streuner | jair_11: debhelper didn't say something, so... |
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| 20:02.03 | jair_11 | Maulkin, I got it now |
| 20:02.20 | jair_11 | streuner, hmm what do you mean? |
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| 20:02.39 | streuner | jair_11: nevermind |
| 20:02.52 | Maulkin | djwikkid: blackcatnetworks.co.uk |
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| 20:03.05 | jair_11 | streuner, debhelper is a bot? |
| 20:03.15 | m4t | hey guys |
| 20:03.18 | streuner | jair_11: yep, it control flood... |
| 20:03.21 | m4t | wots the wall command for debian |
| 20:03.22 | djwikkid | thanks maulkin :) |
| 20:03.28 | jair_11 | streuner, it was not a flood |
| 20:03.37 | greycat | man wall |
| 20:03.38 | jair_11 | that is why he did not say anything |
| 20:03.40 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 20:04.58 | Maulkin | m4t: 'wall' |
| 20:05.01 | m4t | yeh |
| 20:05.05 | m4t | wnt work |
| 20:05.21 | Maulkin | m4t: Are you root? |
| 20:05.24 | m4t | yes |
| 20:05.27 | Maulkin | m4t: What do you mean won't work? |
| 20:05.31 | Maulkin | m4t: What's the error? |
| 20:05.35 | greycat | well, if your 'a' key is malfunctioning and your 'o' key is 50% functional, that might explain some of your problems. |
| 20:05.40 | m4t | i want to display system wide message |
| 20:05.41 | Maulkin | m4t: how are you trying it? |
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| 20:05.50 | m4t | to all ppl logged on |
| 20:05.59 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:06.25 | Maulkin | m4t: What do you mean won't work? What's the error? how are you trying it? |
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| 20:06.37 | m4t | wall hello |
| 20:06.39 | m4t | for instance |
| 20:06.47 | Maulkin | And what happens? |
| 20:06.50 | m4t | so it displays Hello to all ppl logged on |
| 20:07.09 | Maulkin | m4t: read 'man hello' |
| 20:07.40 | Maulkin | m4t: wall doesn't work like that |
| 20:07.49 | m4t | yeh im used to redhat |
| 20:07.51 | m4t | so :( |
| 20:08.23 | Maulkin | Wall displays the contents of file or, by default, its standard input, on the terminals of all currently logged in users. |
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| 20:08.35 | Maulkin | Where file is the argument given on the command line |
| 20:08.39 | m4t | yeh but in redhat u can put |
| 20:08.42 | m4t | wall hello |
| 20:08.51 | m4t | and it willdisplay tht message |
| 20:08.51 | Maulkin | Yes, but that's how you do it in debian |
| 20:08.56 | m4t | i see |
| 20:08.57 | m4t | :P |
| 20:08.59 | m4t | np then |
| 20:09.03 | m4t | all i wanted to knwo |
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| 20:09.11 | Maulkin | So pass you message in standard input, or in a file which wall will read |
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| 20:09.49 | Maulkin | m4t: I'd suggest having a look at 'man <command>' next time too, it'll save you time instead of asking in here :) |
| 20:10.00 | manu | How do i upgrade from sarge to sid -> dont say it will break my system i have done it bfore no issues |
| 20:10.03 | greycat | it'll save *us* time, at least. |
| 20:10.13 | greycat | manu: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
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| 20:11.57 | Maulkin | manu: Prior performance is no garuntee of future efficiency. E&OE. All rights reserved. |
| 20:12.27 | Maulkin | manu: Unless you're doing development, I really wouldn't advise it. |
| 20:12.43 | me_here | anyone using xine-ui with libdvdcss2(libdvdread3) on sarge ? |
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| 20:12.58 | me_here | anyone using xine-ui with libdvdcss2(libdvdread3) on sarge successfully ? |
| 20:13.05 | manu | Maulkin: I need kde3.4 and x.org is it available in testing |
| 20:13.31 | valdyn | manu: you think kde3.4 is in sid? |
| 20:13.32 | djp | i gahter by just installing alsa-base and rebooting will get alsa to work or do i need to run a special command to set it up? |
| 20:13.38 | Maulkin | manu: go to http://packages.debian.org |
| 20:13.47 | manu | its not there i know |
| 20:13.51 | Maulkin | manu: however, IIRC, yes, it is |
| 20:13.59 | shoust | any idea where i can get autoconf.h for 2.6.7 kernel? |
| 20:14.00 | streuner | me_here: did you read FAQ at http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq ? |
| 20:14.07 | n0ctx | If I add a package to a main package (packages.gz), can I remove easily? |
| 20:14.11 | manu | But can i use testing to install these |
| 20:14.16 | me_here | streuner: yes |
| 20:14.21 | me_here | streuner: didn't help so far |
| 20:14.23 | Maulkin | shoust: For a Debain stock kernel? |
| 20:14.30 | greycat | manu: /topic #debian-kde |
| 20:14.32 | Maulkin | manu: yes |
| 20:14.32 | n0ctx | It's a clamav upgrade from backports that wasn't agreeing with some depencies =/ |
| 20:14.36 | me_here | streuner: cause last week i have played 5 dvds with it |
| 20:14.45 | me_here | streuner: cause last week i have played 5 dvds with it with no problem |
| 20:14.45 | streuner | me_here: oh |
| 20:14.54 | jair_11 | Maulkin, nope |
| 20:14.58 | streuner | me_here: what happend then? |
| 20:15.18 | Maulkin | jair_11: ? |
| 20:15.21 | jair_11 | Maulkin, I have everything set up now and the error continue is not an error though is something i am missing |
| 20:15.26 | shoust | Maulkin: i downloaded the kernel source in a tar.gz |
| 20:15.35 | jair_11 | Maulkin, can i pm you? |
| 20:15.42 | Maulkin | jair_11: please don't no. |
| 20:15.43 | me_here | streuner: and now it can't open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss (don't know what happened: but i used to use debian sarge stable, now im on sarge testing) |
| 20:15.55 | Maulkin | jair_11: What error are you getting? |
| 20:15.59 | jair_11 | Maulkin, ok the things is that i can not paste to much details? |
| 20:16.09 | Maulkin | jair_11: usepastebin |
| 20:16.14 | streuner | me_here: did you read BTS? |
| 20:16.14 | Maulkin | ack... |
| 20:16.19 | jair_11 | this line: The requested URL /phpmyadmin was not found on this server. |
| 20:16.20 | Maulkin | shoust: where from? |
| 20:16.25 | me_here | streuner: whats BTS ? |
| 20:16.31 | me_here | oh |
| 20:16.33 | Maulkin | jair_11: did you reload apache? |
| 20:16.36 | me_here | bug reports |
| 20:16.45 | streuner | me_here: yep, /topic |
| 20:16.48 | jair_11 | Maulkin, yes i reload apache and mysql-server |
| 20:16.48 | Maulkin | me_here: BTS == Bug Tracking System |
| 20:16.59 | Maulkin | jair_11: you won't need to reload mysql-server |
| 20:17.05 | shoust | Maulkin: here http://mirror.doit.wisc.edu/mirrors/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.7.tar.gz |
| 20:17.08 | Maulkin | jair_11: is it publically available? |
| 20:17.09 | jair_11 | Maulkin, I have the same configuration in another debian server and it works perfect |
| 20:17.20 | me_here | streuner: i'm on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xine-ui now |
| 20:17.25 | Maulkin | shoust: I'd suggest going to http://www.kernel.org then. |
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| 20:17.32 | jair_11 | Maulkin, go to the site please: pcguruji.com |
| 20:17.41 | Maulkin | shoust: I don't know about sources that don't come from Debian I'm afraid. |
| 20:17.44 | jair_11 | Maulkin, go to the site please: pcguruji.com/phpmyadmin should work |
| 20:17.49 | greycat | hmm... I can't seem to watch this DVD. And it's region 1, if that "planet earth with a big 1 on it" is the region indication. |
| 20:18.06 | greycat | ogle gives me sound, but a big black window. |
| 20:18.29 | jair_11 | Maulkin, I can get access to my apache server |
| 20:18.31 | djp | i have installed alsa-base in order to use alsa as my preferred sound module. do i need to reboot to get alsa working? |
| 20:18.33 | valdyn | greycat: sarge? |
| 20:18.40 | jair_11 | Maulkin, pcguruji.com works |
| 20:18.41 | Maulkin | jair_11: "grep -c phpmyadmin /etc/apache/httpd.conf" please |
| 20:18.51 | asg | jair_11: for whatever reason, apache doesn't know about the Alias /phpmyadmin |
| 20:18.51 | me_here | streuner: switching region codes from 0 to 1 to 2 didn't work either |
| 20:18.58 | jair_11 | Maulkin, and where you want me to place it? |
| 20:18.59 | greycat | sid. let's try xine-ui (why isn't it just called "xine"? oh yeah, right, to fuck with me... of course...) |
| 20:19.04 | Maulkin | jair_11: here |
| 20:19.07 | jair_11 | ok |
| 20:19.15 | Maulkin | jair_11: Actually, take out the '-c' |
| 20:19.20 | jair_11 | ok |
| 20:19.28 | streuner | haha |
| 20:19.31 | asg | greycat: iirc, there is a cli loader called xine, the -ui bit is for the gui flashy bits. |
| 20:19.38 | valdyn | !alsa |
| 20:19.38 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 20:19.43 | greycat | !+info xine sid |
| 20:19.45 | dpkg | Package 'xine' does not exist. |
| 20:19.51 | valdyn | djp: read that faq part , SKIP the part about blacklisting |
| 20:19.58 | jair_11 | Maulkin, nothing |
| 20:20.02 | jair_11 | Maulkin, grep phpmyadmin /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 20:20.02 | jair_11 | enigma:~# |
| 20:20.04 | streuner | !info xine-ui |
| 20:20.15 | jair_11 | Maulkin, nothing came out |
| 20:20.20 | dpkg | xine-ui: (the xine video player, user interface), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.99.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1691 kB, Installed size: 3368 kB |
| 20:20.40 | greycat | libxine1's even bigger. |
| 20:20.46 | asg | jair_11: it might (or should be) linked from /etc/apache/conf.d |
| 20:20.53 | asg | jair_11: if you are using sarge, that is |
| 20:20.58 | Maulkin | jair_11: ok. 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow phpmyadmin' |
| 20:21.03 | jair_11 | asg, yes i am using sarge |
| 20:21.05 | Maulkin | oh, point :) |
| 20:21.11 | djp | valdyn, thanks, will do. |
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| 20:21.33 | greycat | Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main libxine1 1.0.1-1.2 [4361kB] |
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| 20:22.05 | jazzmanss | I'm running 64 bit debian sarge, how do I set up a chroot 32 bit firefox so I can install flash? |
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| 20:22.33 | Caelum | there's a free flash plugin thingy |
| 20:22.36 | jair_11 | Maulkin, and after that what i should do? |
| 20:22.45 | jazzmanss | for 64 bit, Caelum? |
| 20:22.55 | valdyn | jazzmanss: apt-cache show debootstrap or /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 20:23.02 | jair_11 | Maulkin, what is the problem here why is not working I would like to understand what I am doing if you don't mind? |
| 20:23.10 | Caelum | jazzmanss: should be, I think it's called swfplayer or something |
| 20:23.15 | djp | valdyn, that did the trick... alsaconf! |
| 20:23.16 | Caelum | jazzmanss: it's not perfect though |
| 20:23.17 | Maulkin | jair_11: What options did you pick when you did that? |
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| 20:23.27 | me_here | which one is the primary server for sarge ? ftp.de.debian.org ? |
| 20:23.36 | jair_11 | hmm did not run it yet |
| 20:23.39 | djp | valdyn, haven't needed to install alsa-utils though |
| 20:23.40 | asg | me_here: if you are in Germany, yes |
| 20:23.41 | Maulkin | jair_11: If I'm right, you've installed phpmyadmin, but it's not configured yet. |
| 20:23.45 | djp | cheers valdyn |
| 20:23.46 | me_here | asg: thx |
| 20:23.47 | jair_11 | \apache |
| 20:23.51 | jair_11 | apache |
| 20:24.01 | valdyn | djp: yea, theyre not essential |
| 20:24.02 | jair_11 | hmmm |
| 20:24.02 | Maulkin | jair_11: that should register it with apache, if you pick the right options :) |
| 20:24.12 | jair_11 | Maulkin, I select apache |
| 20:24.15 | jair_11 | apache |
| 20:24.16 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 20:24.17 | Maulkin | jair_11: yup |
| 20:24.20 | valdyn | djp: err, you cant run alsaconf w/o alsa-utils |
| 20:24.20 | jair_11 | ok |
| 20:24.23 | jair_11 | one sec |
| 20:24.25 | greycat | !xine |
| 20:24.25 | dpkg | hmm... xine is a DVD,VCD,MPEG (divX also possible) player for Linux. http://xine.sourceforge.net or just apt-get install xine-ui xine-lib. Also at #xine.. You can get a "complete" version of xine with a DeCSS plugin at http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html, or to get sound set the goto advanced settings and set the sound driver form null to what ever you use. see xine-ui KDE users, check out 'kaffeine', or but xine needs a -cache ... |
| 20:24.30 | valdyn | djp: ( though alsaconf too isnt essential ) |
| 20:24.35 | Maulkin | jair_11: Just follow the instructions. |
| 20:24.36 | me_here | asg: do you know why installing alsa-utils or alsa-base will conflict with hal or udev ? |
| 20:24.39 | jazzmanss | thanks Caelum, I found the flash player, I'll install it. :) problems or no, it's better then nothing. |
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| 20:24.43 | jair_11 | Maulkin, ok that's it |
| 20:24.49 | jair_11 | Maulkin, I should try again |
| 20:24.52 | Maulkin | jair_11: you may need to reload apache at the end :) |
| 20:24.55 | greycat | oh...kaaaay.... |
| 20:25.00 | jair_11 | Maulkin, I did it |
| 20:25.08 | greycat | apparently one must type the rather cryptic string "xine dvd:/1" to get a DVD to start playing. |
| 20:25.08 | asg | me_here: what error are you getting? |
| 20:25.10 | valdyn | me_here: conflicts with a specific version only, probably the one in testing, idont know |
| 20:25.10 | djp | valdyn, maybe it is installed without selecting it. i used aptitude to install alsa-base and only selected alsa-base. maybe aptitude sorted out the correct packages for me? |
| 20:25.23 | jair_11 | Maulkin, dm#$% still same |
| 20:25.25 | valdyn | !depends alsa-base |
| 20:25.27 | dpkg | alsa-base: depends on lsof (>= 4.64), modutils (>= 2.3.5-1) | module-init-tools, linux-sound-base |
| 20:25.30 | streuner | greycat: heh? :-) |
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| 20:25.39 | jair_11 | Maulkin, try please pcguruji.com/phpmyadmin |
| 20:25.45 | jair_11 | hate it |
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| 20:25.50 | Maulkin | jair_11: ok... is that server public? |
| 20:25.52 | jair_11 | what is happening |
| 20:25.52 | valdyn | djp: yea, aptitude pulls recommends somehow iirc |
| 20:25.56 | streuner | greycat: xine is pretty easy... |
| 20:26.01 | valdyn | djp: and alsa-base recommends alsa-utils |
| 20:26.02 | yang | Is there a way to bypass passive mode ftp sharing from windows box (using proftpd server) |
| 20:26.03 | jair_11 | Maulkin, this server is public |
| 20:26.07 | asg | jair_11: does /etc/apache/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf exist? |
| 20:26.11 | streuner | greycat: most people just don't like the GUI |
| 20:26.13 | jair_11 | you can reach pcguruji.com right? |
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| 20:26.22 | djp | !depends alsa-base |
| 20:26.24 | dpkg | alsa-base: depends on lsof (>= 4.64), modutils (>= 2.3.5-1) | module-init-tools, linux-sound-base |
| 20:26.24 | jair_11 | asg, i will check it |
| 20:26.34 | valdyn | !recommends alsa-base |
| 20:26.36 | dpkg | alsa-base: has nothing about recommends |
| 20:26.39 | me_here | dvd's per se are bootable or ? |
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| 20:26.53 | greycat | it can't be easy if "xine" fails, and "xine /dev/dvd" fails, and "xine dvd" fails. |
| 20:27.16 | djp | oh well, after running alsaconf all is fine valdyn. so thanks |
| 20:27.23 | jair_11 | asg, enigma:/etc/apache/conf.d# ls |
| 20:27.23 | jair_11 | php4.conf phpmyadmin.conf |
| 20:27.33 | jair_11 | asg, it is there |
| 20:27.38 | valdyn | greycat: 'xine dvd://' |
| 20:27.52 | Maulkin | jair_11: You did restart apache, right? :) |
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| 20:28.06 | jair_11 | Maulkin, yes |
| 20:28.10 | Maulkin | jair_11: well, I could have a look for you, if you're happy giving me access to the box. |
| 20:28.12 | streuner | greycat: if someone would read the FAQ then no..., http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN209 |
| 20:28.25 | jair_11 | asg, I should add html and php to the php4.conf? |
| 20:28.27 | greycat | streuner: if dpkg had told me about that I would have read it. |
| 20:28.29 | greycat | !xine |
| 20:28.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, xine is a DVD,VCD,MPEG (divX also possible) player for Linux. http://xine.sourceforge.net or just apt-get install xine-ui xine-lib. Also at #xine.. You can get a "complete" version of xine with a DeCSS plugin at http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html, or to get sound set the goto advanced settings and set the sound driver form null to what ever you use. see xine-ui KDE users, check out 'kaffeine', or but xine needs a ... |
| 20:28.33 | Maulkin | Otherwise, erm... I'd suggest tailing he log, and seeing what's trying to be accessed. |
| 20:28.57 | jair_11 | Maulkin, but I am literate anough to follow what do you want to check in my server? |
| 20:29.02 | jair_11 | asg, ? |
| 20:29.04 | asg | Maulkin: always a wise thing to do |
| 20:29.06 | ryanc` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:29.41 | jair_11 | asg, maybe because the path /var/www/phpmyadmin/> |
| 20:29.46 | asg | jair_11: that file should contain <Directory /> entries for /usr/share/phpmyadmin and /var/www/phpmyadmin. Does it? |
| 20:29.54 | Maulkin | jair_11: ok... first, I'd suggest tailing you access log and seeing what is being requested. If you don't get any good info, tail your error log |
| 20:30.14 | jair_11 | asg, that is Maulkin hmm |
| 20:30.31 | jair_11 | asg, which one php4.conf? |
| 20:30.33 | woodland | i want to update my kernel, to 2.6 how do i do that |
| 20:30.39 | asg | jair_11: no, phpmyadmin.conf |
| 20:30.41 | jair_11 | asg could I pm you? |
| 20:30.47 | Maulkin | jair_11: You can ignore php.conf for now. |
| 20:30.52 | jair_11 | Maulkin, ok |
| 20:31.03 | asg | jair_11: I'd rather not, I'm in and out right now dealing with some tricky issues at work |
| 20:31.06 | greycat | woodland: apt-cache search kernel image 2.6 |
| 20:31.16 | jair_11 | i will paste the results on pastebin then |
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| 20:31.54 | woodland | hi grey, i updated my kernel before and when i booted in 2.6, i couldnt connect to wired internet |
| 20:31.58 | jair_11 | asg, Maulkin http://pastebin.com/360031 |
| 20:32.07 | jair_11 | asg, Maulkin this is the phpmyadmin.conf |
| 20:32.37 | asg | jair_11: that looks right. |
| 20:32.38 | Maulkin | jair_11: that's fine |
| 20:32.42 | greycat | !works in 2.4 |
| 20:32.42 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
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| 20:33.14 | jair_11 | asg, Maulkin i think I have to add the htm and html extensions in the apache httpd.conf file? |
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| 20:33.45 | asg | jair_11: you shouldn't have to unless you edited the default httpd.conf |
| 20:34.21 | jair_11 | asg, yes |
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| 20:34.25 | jair_11 | asg, I did that |
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| 20:34.35 | Maulkin | jair_11: What did you change? |
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| 20:34.45 | jair_11 | my root directory is: <Directory /var/www/resume_page/> |
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| 20:34.57 | asg | jair_11: oh, that's probably why |
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| 20:35.02 | jair_11 | hahaha |
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| 20:35.11 | jair_11 | I should figure it out long time ago |
| 20:35.28 | ma3x | allright i've had it enough |
| 20:35.28 | asg | jair_11: try changing /var/www/phpmyadmin to /var/www/resume_page/phpmyadmin in /etc/apache/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf |
| 20:35.29 | jair_11 | Maulkin, asg let me do some editing in the php myadmin thing |
| 20:35.38 | jair_11 | asg, right |
| 20:35.48 | syntaxx | i put rw in my mount directory but still i cant cp any file from linux to win.. how to fix it? |
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| 20:35.59 | asg | !vfatrw |
| 20:35.59 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
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| 20:36.10 | Bac9 | does hotplug supresede discover or does dicover have something hotplug does not? |
| 20:36.23 | zOap | Is it possible to install a sounddriver to use in wine? |
| 20:36.24 | asg | Bac9: they both fight like rabbit wolverines |
| 20:36.35 | ma3x | i've listed ipv6 according to the dpkg's instructions and it still loads |
| 20:36.35 | Bac9 | asg: elaborate please |
| 20:36.52 | l3e7kre4p | uh none of my kernel modules are compiling |
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| 20:37.02 | ma3x | why did you write that information in dpkg, since it's not correct? |
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| 20:37.22 | asg | Bac9: in some respects they do the same thing or are more or less competing technologies. |
| 20:37.23 | l3e7kre4p | especially nvidia and where the hex xorg.conf? |
| 20:37.31 | debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.34 | ma3x | will anybody reply? |
| 20:37.46 | Bac9 | asg: but does hotplug cover at least as much gardware as discover? |
| 20:37.52 | Bac9 | hradware* |
| 20:37.57 | Bac9 | hardware* |
| 20:37.58 | ma3x | how do i unload ipv6 from boot/ |
| 20:38.09 | ma3x | !ipv6 unload |
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| 20:38.22 | syntaxx | asg: should i reboot after puttin any in fstab? |
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| 20:38.47 | asg | syntaxx: no |
| 20:39.01 | ma3x | asg, can you tell me how do remove ipv6 from boot? |
| 20:39.09 | ma3x | i can't run apt-get update with ipv6 |
| 20:39.15 | asg | syntaxx: unless you are testing that things are mounted at boot based on whether you indicated they should or not. |
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| 20:39.31 | tjostolf | syntaxx: just do mount -a as root |
| 20:39.36 | ma3x | hello |
| 20:39.36 | streuner | ma3x: ipv6 is usually a module |
| 20:39.36 | asg | ma3x: that has never caused any issue that I've ever seen. What error are you seeing? |
| 20:39.36 | jair_11 | asg, nope |
| 20:39.41 | jair_11 | asg, :( |
| 20:39.47 | syntaxx | tjostolf: even it is already mountd? |
| 20:40.04 | jair_11 | asg, I did the change |
| 20:40.04 | streuner | ma3x: if you have discover or/and hotplug installed, blacklist it |
| 20:40.14 | asg | jair_11: and restarted apache? |
| 20:40.22 | jair_11 | asg of course |
| 20:40.28 | ma3x | streuner, doh, i have both installed, and blacklisted in both places. It's still loading on bootup |
| 20:40.28 | streuner | ma3x: by the way, ipv6 doesn't hurd in any way |
| 20:40.33 | ma3x | streuner, yes it does |
| 20:40.35 | tjostolf | syntaxx: what do you mean? |
| 20:40.37 | asg | jair_11: and you did clear your browser cache? |
| 20:40.39 | ma3x | i can't run apt-get update because of that |
| 20:40.47 | jair_11 | asg, o will check |
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| 20:40.52 | ma3x | if you were behind a stupid firewall/router, you would see |
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| 20:41.14 | streuner | ma3x: heh, so your wireless are working? |
| 20:41.22 | ma3x | streuner, with ndiswrapper |
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| 20:41.30 | jair_11 | asg, try please: http://pcguruji.com/phpmyadmin |
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| 20:41.42 | m0rtix-tv | hi, i have a problem with apache permissions |
| 20:41.44 | m0rtix-tv | it say me: |
| 20:41.45 | ma3x | streuner, it's not my wireless, i just have prepay access to it |
| 20:41.52 | ma3x | streuner, how do i prevent the module from loading on startup? |
| 20:41.58 | ma3x | stew told me this information |
| 20:42.00 | ma3x | but i forgot |
| 20:42.02 | streuner | ma3x: show us the output of the error (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 20:42.10 | ma3x | streuner, what error? |
| 20:42.12 | greycat | ma3x: mv it to a new location and remember to do that every time you install a new kernel. |
| 20:42.16 | asg | ma3x: mv module module.old |
| 20:42.25 | m0rtix-tv | Forbidden |
| 20:42.25 | m0rtix-tv | You don't have permission to access /~gsh/backdoor/dc on this server. |
| 20:42.25 | m0rtix-tv | backdoor is for test my debian :) |
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| 20:42.27 | m0rtix-tv | what is the problem ? |
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| 20:42.30 | syntaxx | asg: putting /dev/hda /mnt/ntfs2 auto rw,1000,1000,umask=002 0 0 stil wont copy the file from linux to Win do you think i need a reboot? |
| 20:42.37 | ma3x | greycat, i just installed sarge fresh, and it autoloads (ipv6) |
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| 20:42.46 | greycat | what.ever. |
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| 20:42.56 | valdyn | !ntfsrw |
| 20:42.57 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. see <ro-ntfs> |
| 20:42.58 | asg | syntaxx: no, rebooting only is necessary if you install new hardware, a new kernel, or are testing automated boot procedures. |
| 20:42.58 | jair_11 | asg, here I do not need to change anything right? http://pastebin.com/360037 |
| 20:43.01 | ma3x | asg, but would it still try to load it on startup and show error? |
| 20:43.15 | asg | ma3x: it would, it might cause an error, who cares. |
| 20:43.26 | ma3x | asg, i want to find out what is loading it? |
| 20:43.35 | jair_11 | asg, this is asg /etc/apache/conf.d |
| 20:43.45 | jair_11 | sorry |
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| 20:43.52 | jair_11 | asg what do you think? |
| 20:44.03 | ma3x | i mean i blacklisted it in discover.conf (skip ipv6), added it to the blacklist |
| 20:44.06 | ma3x | it still loads, wtf |
| 20:44.15 | greycat | because you're ACCESSING AN IPv6 ADDRESS |
| 20:44.18 | Maulkin | jair_11: you're not even gettign that far, it's giving you a 404 |
| 20:44.23 | asg | jair_11: nothing wrong with that. Out of curiosity, is php4_module in /etc/apache/modules.conf? |
| 20:44.29 | syntaxx | asg: is there anythin wrong in my fstab that i put? stil wont copy the file |
| 20:44.42 | ma3x | greycat, I'm not accessing an IPv6 address. It's a ipv4 |
| 20:44.42 | streuner | and the kernel loads it because it need it then |
| 20:44.42 | valdyn | syntaxx: you cannot write to ntfs filesystems |
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| 20:44.46 | jair_11 | asg, i will check now |
| 20:44.47 | greycat | ma3x: PROVE it. |
| 20:44.53 | greycat | what IP address did you type in? |
| 20:45.04 | ma3x | greycat, ok 1. you install sarge 2. lsmod | grep ipv6 and you'll see it |
| 20:45.13 | asg | syntaxx: you might need uid=1000,gid=1000 instead of just the numerics. |
| 20:45.15 | greycat | ma3x: SO FUCKING WHAT? |
| 20:45.26 | greycat | ma3x: what IP address did you type in? |
| 20:45.29 | ma3x | greycat, so it's fucking annoying, i can't apt-get update |
| 20:45.37 | ma3x | greycat, in the interfaces? |
| 20:45.39 | jair_11 | asg, http://pastebin.com/360044 |
| 20:45.41 | greycat | what IP address did you put in your sources? |
| 20:45.56 | jair_11 | asg, this is the result |
| 20:46.05 | asg | jair_11: and you are sure that you purged your browser cache? |
| 20:46.05 | greycat | if you didn't use an IP address, you used a DNS name... what DNS name? and what do you get when you LOOK THAT NAME UP in DNS? |
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| 20:46.09 | syntaxx | asg: hmm.. can i write to an ntfs? |
| 20:46.11 | jair_11 | asg, yes |
| 20:46.17 | jair_11 | asg, this is the thing |
| 20:46.18 | ma3x | greycat, I couldn't even put one, I run apt-setup and it freezes on the testing phase |
| 20:46.22 | jair_11 | you can even try to |
| 20:46.25 | greycat | "testing"?? |
| 20:46.34 | greycat | oh, not *that* testing. you mean when it attempts to pull down the data. |
| 20:46.38 | greycat | Fix your DNS> |
| 20:46.40 | jair_11 | asg, you can try : pcguruji.com/phpmyadmin |
| 20:46.44 | asg | syntaxx: some claim this is possible, many claim that is a great way for testing whether your backups actually work. Personally, I don't use Windows so I don't know. |
| 20:46.49 | greycat | make your DNS stop returning IPv6 addresses if you can't use them. |
| 20:46.59 | ma3x | greycat, well yes, that's what it says "Testing mirror" or something similar to that. |
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| 20:47.01 | syntaxx | ic |
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| 20:47.08 | jair_11 | asg, http://pcguruji.com/phpmyadmin |
| 20:47.13 | ma3x | greycat, how do i make it stop? |
| 20:47.22 | asg | jair_11: well, the main site works, just not the phpmyadmin bit. |
| 20:47.24 | jair_11 | this is the url that suppouse to let me see the page ready to log in |
| 20:47.25 | syntaxx | dang need that file to my win |
| 20:47.31 | asg | ma3x: the question is, how do we make it stop |
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| 20:47.36 | jair_11 | asg, which is the main thing |
| 20:47.41 | Maulkin | ma3x: remove your AAAA record from your zone file. |
| 20:47.43 | ma3x | asg, aight, how do you make it stop? |
| 20:47.48 | jair_11 | asg, lt's review from the very basic |
| 20:47.53 | asg | ma3x: I'm not an op, I can't make it stop |
| 20:47.54 | streuner | Maulkin: heh? |
| 20:47.54 | ma3x | Maulkin, i don't have control over the dns |
| 20:47.59 | woodland | hi, i need to update my kernel to 2.6.10 but when i do apt-cache search kernel-image, i dont see 2.6.10 listed |
| 20:48.02 | ma3x | asg, me niether |
| 20:48.04 | jair_11 | asg, i did the installation of the apache server not a problem |
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| 20:48.10 | asg | jair_11: the issue is simply that apache doesn't know how to map /phpmyadmin to /usr/share/phpmyadmin. |
| 20:48.24 | valdyn | woodland: on sarge? |
| 20:48.29 | woodland | ya, val |
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| 20:49.02 | streuner | Maulkin: he just get wireless working... |
| 20:49.07 | woodland | valdyn , can u help me |
| 20:49.08 | jair_11 | asg, I did not change the /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 20:49.09 | valdyn | woodland: 2.6.10 is not i sarge, if you must use 2.6.10 get it from testing or sid |
| 20:49.16 | jair_11 | asg, you told me only the var |
| 20:49.27 | valdyn | woodland: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:49.28 | jair_11 | asg, do you want me to change that one too? |
| 20:49.38 | woodland | valdyn, can i use wireless on 2.4.27 |
| 20:49.40 | jair_11 | to the root directory? |
| 20:49.42 | asg | jair_11: you can try. |
| 20:49.48 | jair_11 | asg, to the root directory? |
| 20:49.49 | jair_11 | ok |
| 20:49.52 | jair_11 | let me check |
| 20:50.24 | asg | jair_11: or, at least, for testing purposes, put the DocumentRoot back to /var/www (see if that fixes things) |
| 20:50.34 | valdyn | woodland: 2.6.8 is in sarge, what;s wrong with that one? |
| 20:50.37 | amoeba | well,who still use jigdo in these days? |
| 20:50.37 | asg | !lart doorbells |
| 20:50.50 | woodland | ok, i will try that one, vldyn |
| 20:50.54 | jair_11 | asg, that will be my last resource :) |
| 20:51.35 | woodland | but when i installed 2.6 last time, my system cou to couldnt connect to wired internet |
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| 20:53.09 | shoust | how do i tweak autoconf.h file so it is uniprocessor? |
| 20:53.18 | valdyn | woodland: '/msg dpkg smart questions' |
| 20:53.35 | valdyn | shoust: why the hell? |
| 20:53.44 | woodland | ok val |
| 20:53.51 | m0rtix-tv | why do my apache say to me: forbidden 403 ? |
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| 20:54.08 | jair_11 | asg, nothing |
| 20:54.10 | Supaplex | m0rtix-tv: check the error log |
| 20:54.14 | Maulkin | m0rtix-tv: Can you access files in that directory? |
| 20:54.16 | jair_11 | asg, but it suppouse to work though |
| 20:54.20 | shoust | i get this error in vmware config.. "The kernel defined by this directory of header files is multiprocessor, while |
| 20:54.20 | shoust | your running kernel is uniprocessor. |
| 20:54.20 | shoust | " |
| 20:54.20 | greycat | !wikifaq m0rtix-tv Permissions |
| 20:54.21 | dpkg | m0rtix-tv: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:54.26 | m0rtix-tv | i use directive Usedir |
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| 20:55.46 | jair_11 | asg, i think i need to look where is this: <Directory /var/www/resume_page/phpmyadmin/> |
| 20:55.46 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.53 | m0rtix-tv | apache hasn't access to /home/m0rtix/public_html |
| 20:55.56 | m0rtix-tv | :/ |
| 20:56.03 | jair_11 | or basically this <Directory /var/www/phpmyadmin/> |
| 20:56.16 | greycat | fix it. |
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| 20:57.21 | jair_11 | I see |
| 20:57.26 | valdyn | shoust: uname -r |
| 20:57.27 | jair_11 | asg, I will check something |
| 20:57.37 | jair_11 | asg, I saw the php folder |
| 20:57.49 | jair_11 | asg, the phpmyadmin directory |
| 20:58.05 | shoust | valdyn: 2.6.7 |
| 20:58.06 | jair_11 | asg, is in /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 20:58.22 | valdyn | shoust: why are you not using a debian kernel? |
| 20:58.27 | jair_11 | so it should be a way that i can do a link or something to make it reach that directory |
| 20:58.36 | valdyn | shoust: where did you get that running kernel from? |
| 20:59.22 | Caelum | does linux support locking users by setting the password in /etc/passwd to *LK* ? |
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| 21:00.17 | valdyn | shoust: i need that info to be of any help =p |
| 21:00.21 | greycat | that would certainly make it impossible to find a password which generates that hash. |
| 21:01.06 | Shadowcat | Caelum: lock? |
| 21:01.21 | Shadowcat | if you don't want them to login |
| 21:01.27 | Shadowcat | set their shell to /bin/false or something |
| 21:01.31 | shoust | valdyn: its from a default mepis install |
| 21:01.50 | Caelum | Shadowcat: yeah I know about that, but I just heard on solaris you can lock an account by putting in *LK* in the password field |
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| 21:01.56 | Shadowcat | shoust: we don't support mepis in here |
| 21:02.03 | shoust | ok |
| 21:02.07 | Shadowcat | Caelum: this isn't solaris |
| 21:02.12 | valdyn | shoust: i cant really support mepis here, can you 'apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' ? |
| 21:02.29 | Caelum | Shadowcat: was just wondering |
| 21:02.30 | Shadowcat | see #mepis |
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| 21:02.47 | shoust | i'll see what i can do with the other kernel i have |
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| 21:03.14 | greycat | fucking changelings. |
| 21:03.22 | DPG__ | hey what livecd comes with the latest kde 3.4.2 and other latest apps with 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:03.29 | manu | I plant to install both gnome and kde in testing. can it be done |
| 21:03.38 | manu | *plan |
| 21:03.50 | valdyn | shoust: ok, alright anyway, you need to copy the running config to <kernelsource>/.config and run make oldconfig' manually tweaking files wont help you |
| 21:03.55 | Shadowcat | manu: why are you running testing if you're asking this? |
| 21:04.05 | DPG__ | lol @ Shadowcat nice |
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| 21:04.21 | DPG__ | manu you are incapable of testing anything. |
| 21:04.29 | manu | Does that mean that i should not ask anything |
| 21:04.36 | DPG__ | yes |
| 21:04.39 | valdyn | manu: why didnt you already run 'apt-get install kde gnome' ? |
| 21:04.40 | Shadowcat | manu: for testing/unstable, yes |
| 21:04.48 | Shadowcat | if you have to ask, DON'T run them |
| 21:04.53 | Shadowcat | because you'll get yourself burned |
| 21:04.54 | Shadowcat | badly |
| 21:05.03 | Shadowcat | the evolution breakage in Etch is a prime example of that |
| 21:05.04 | manu | Thats wrong |
| 21:05.20 | Shadowcat | n00b user: "oOoOo there's an upgrade to evolution, I think I'll install it" |
| 21:05.21 | DPG__ | Shadowcat hey man, i was about to get knoppix 4.0 but it has kde 3.4.1 and 3.4.2 is out is there any big differenceo r any major bugs? |
| 21:05.29 | Shadowcat | ... evolution crashes... |
| 21:05.36 | Shadowcat | n00b user: "WHAT DO I DO?!" |
| 21:05.59 | Shadowcat | DPG__: KDE 3.4.1 is making its way into unstable at the moment |
| 21:06.14 | Shadowcat | along with XOrg |
| 21:06.31 | Shadowcat | they're rather broken at the moment though |
| 21:06.48 | greycat | xorg works fine |
| 21:06.57 | drac | Shadowcat: X.org is in Testing, and Unstable is actually getting 3.4.2 |
| 21:07.02 | me_here | greycat: yes xorg is ok |
| 21:07.03 | Shadowcat | greycat: not for all |
| 21:07.10 | Shadowcat | drac: heh thanks for the heads up |
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| 21:07.14 | greycat | well nvidia users can go take their shit back to the store. |
| 21:07.17 | Shadowcat | but ya, KDE is seriously broken |
| 21:07.29 | drac | greycat: hahah, indeed |
| 21:07.29 | greycat | or STOP trying to use that fucking proprietary binary driver. |
| 21:07.51 | greycat | the only xorg problems I've been hearing are all "I wanna use the nvidia drivers with xorg" |
| 21:08.11 | valdyn | they work fine w/ xorg. |
| 21:08.16 | Shadowcat | ya they do |
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| 21:08.30 | Shadowcat | not our fault most people can't edit the xorg.conf file |
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| 21:08.41 | Shadowcat | or get confused and edit XF86-Confg-4 instead |
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| 21:09.13 | phaedrus_ | uh...any help so i can use tungsten and debian/ |
| 21:09.14 | phaedrus_ | ? |
| 21:09.17 | phaedrus_ | palm os |
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| 21:10.03 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 21:10.20 | solemnwarning | wheres a guide to replacing arts with alsa under deb3.1? |
| 21:10.39 | drac | solemnwarning: first of all, arts isn't an alsa replacement. |
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| 21:10.48 | valdyn | solemnwarning: they are differeng things, not replacement for each other |
| 21:10.49 | drac | solemnwarning: or vice verse |
| 21:10.54 | Shadowcat | I thought arts worked with alsa? |
| 21:10.58 | solemnwarning | does it? |
| 21:11.07 | solemnwarning | i thougt u only used one |
| 21:11.07 | valdyn | sure it does |
| 21:11.12 | Shadowcat | do you even know what arts is |
| 21:11.22 | solemnwarning | cos im sick of having to artsdsp to change what im listening ot >.< |
| 21:11.37 | Shadowcat | that's called alsaconfig |
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| 21:12.24 | valdyn | solemnwarning: artsdsp makes oss using apps use arts. alsa cant fix that. |
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| 21:12.58 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 21:13.20 | doleyb | In some ways it is possible to replace arts with alsa. Because they both provide sound multiplexing in software. |
| 21:13.29 | doleyb | So if you only use arts for multiplexing, then maybe you can switch to alsa |
| 21:13.32 | yarddog | ecto blows goats |
| 21:13.36 | randomity | doleyb: but KDE needs alsa |
| 21:13.47 | doleyb | KDE has nothing to do with alsa |
| 21:13.49 | valdyn | randomity: no |
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| 21:13.59 | randomity | sorry, i meant arts |
| 21:14.18 | doleyb | it doesn't really need arts either, although it enables it by defautl |
| 21:14.20 | valdyn | right, xmms doesnt support arts directly. |
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| 21:14.35 | Shadowcat | I solve it by just not using xmms |
| 21:14.38 | shoust | greycat: what do u use? |
| 21:14.39 | danny | hi there |
| 21:14.44 | Shadowcat | juk/amarok do a much better job anyway |
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| 21:14.50 | danny | ayone can help installing ATI drivers? |
| 21:14.52 | randomity | doleyb: Can KDE use alsa directly? (ie without arts) |
| 21:15.04 | Shadowcat | randomity: yes, see Sound Configuration |
| 21:15.09 | Shadowcat | you can select what it uses |
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| 21:15.22 | doleyb | randomity: well sure, although don't do that if your alsa (or sound hardware) doesn't multiplex |
| 21:15.29 | drac | danny: It's propietary stuff, and no way debian related. Try #ati ? |
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| 21:15.34 | doleyb | randomity: because without multiplexing, kde will block itself sometimes |
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| 21:15.48 | ricardoivieitez_ | I have the Pendrive Kingston DataTraveler 1 |
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| 21:16.11 | randomity | Shadowcat: isn't that for changing what arts uses? |
| 21:16.23 | Mask | I just installed the kernel-source-2.6.8 package and tried to do a "make menuconfig", but it won't work. I have the latest GCC. Anyone know anything about this? |
| 21:16.26 | doleyb | it can also turn off arts completely |
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| 21:16.36 | Shadowcat | randomity: not sure |
| 21:16.37 | ricardoivieitez_ | When I coonetc it, I have a problem: Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 508378384 |
| 21:16.39 | Shadowcat | I got my system working |
| 21:16.39 | Makoqui | server irc-hispano.org |
| 21:16.42 | Shadowcat | so I quit messing with it |
| 21:17.03 | DPG__ | hey knoppix 4.0 is only on dvd? |
| 21:17.10 | randomity | Shadowcat: I think that page is for setting up arts. Arts has to layer itself over OSS or ALSA or something, so you can select which there |
| 21:17.17 | dvs | DPG__: Yup |
| 21:17.22 | randomity | DPG__: nope |
| 21:17.25 | DPG__ | ... |
| 21:17.25 | ricardoivieitez_ | Its file format is FAT16 (vfat). In Windows it work correctly! |
| 21:17.28 | doleyb | there is also a checkbox on that page to deactivate arts totally |
| 21:17.30 | valdyn | !wikifaq solemnwarning UseSound |
| 21:17.31 | dpkg | solemnwarning: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSound or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:17.32 | randomity | DPG__: there is a mini and a maxi version |
| 21:17.41 | randomity | DPG__: maxi: DVD, mini: CD |
| 21:17.45 | Masterlancaster | Are you ok? |
| 21:17.48 | aredhel | Mash, do you have libncurses-dev installed? |
| 21:17.53 | aredhel | Mask, do you have libncurses-dev installed? |
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| 21:18.03 | DPG__ | randomity but the cd isnt 4.0, they refer that to the dvd only, the cd is 3.9 |
| 21:18.23 | Mask | aredhel, yes, and it's the latest version, I've been able to "make menuconfig" before also |
| 21:18.36 | randomity | DPG__: AFAIK, there will be a cd 4.0, entitled "mini". I don't know if it's out yet |
| 21:18.37 | daxxar | What manpage do I consult for the syntax of exim4 .forward-files? |
| 21:18.37 | daxxar | :) |
| 21:18.46 | Mask | I think it has to do with the latest version of GCC maybe? |
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| 21:19.04 | aredhel | Mask, and the error msg is? |
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| 21:19.09 | Shadowcat | Mask: no |
| 21:19.15 | DPG__ | randomity whens it comng out |
| 21:19.20 | Shadowcat | you're not skilled enough to compile a kernel |
| 21:19.27 | Mutil8 | anybody successfully installed debian on an epox 9nda3, it's an nforce 3 board |
| 21:19.29 | Shadowcat | aredhel: first off, I doubt he's even extracted the package |
| 21:19.31 | Mask | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration |
| 21:19.31 | Mask | scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was here |
| 21:19.31 | Mask | make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1 |
| 21:19.31 | Mask | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
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| 21:19.39 | Mask | sorry |
| 21:19.43 | Shadowcat | !paste |
| 21:19.44 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 21:19.44 | Thanatermesis | checking for PACKAGE... configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0) were not met. --- I have installed the package libgtk2.0-dev ... what I need ? |
| 21:19.48 | Zugschlus | daxxar: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/filter.txt.gz |
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| 21:19.53 | vick | Where can i ask a question related to movies or games ? |
| 21:19.54 | Mutil8 | i can't get the install to recognize my sata drive, or my NIC |
| 21:20.06 | zOap | I have an AC97 compatible soundcard. Anyone know of a good sounddriver which will work in wine? |
| 21:20.12 | DPG__ | randomity ok... what other distro comes out of the box with latest KDE (3.4.2) ? |
| 21:20.12 | Mask | I have compiled kernels before the debian way, I know what I'm doing |
| 21:20.35 | Shadowcat | !kernel-package |
| 21:20.35 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 21:20.38 | dvs | Mutil8: What boot option did you use? |
| 21:20.43 | greycat | Mask: linux 2.6.11(?) and earlier cannot be built by gcc4. |
| 21:20.50 | valdyn | Mask: gcc-4.0 wont compile kernels before 2.6.12 or something, certainly not 2.6.8 |
| 21:20.50 | randomity | DPG__: Ark linux |
| 21:20.52 | greycat | when in doubt, read the README file. |
| 21:20.57 | greycat | it's there to be, like, READ. |
| 21:21.07 | daxxar | Zugschlus, thanks |
| 21:21.08 | Shadowcat | !read |
| 21:21.08 | dpkg | well, read is what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
| 21:21.09 | Mutil8 | dvs none, just the standard |
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| 21:21.18 | DPG__ | randomity cool, what r u using right now |
| 21:21.23 | dvs | Mutil8: Try "linxu26" at the boot: prompt. |
| 21:21.36 | Mask | OK, I'm sorry. I'll make sure to look at the readme next time. |
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| 21:21.46 | Mutil8 | hmm, says it can't find kernel image: linux26 |
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| 21:22.24 | dvs | Mutil8: Is this during the install? |
| 21:22.24 | danny | anyone can helo with ATI drivers? No one answering or saying anythin in #ati, #help #linuxhelp |
| 21:22.31 | randomity | DPG__: Mandriva 2005 LE |
| 21:22.34 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 21:22.34 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 21:22.41 | Mutil8 | i boot the CD, and it shows debian gnu/linux |
| 21:22.42 | DPG__ | randomity what versions does that use? |
| 21:22.45 | Mutil8 | and then boot: |
| 21:22.56 | vick | Does anybody know a good game like NFS Underground (Not necessiarly car games ) or a good new movie (Any Genre except science fiction and star wars alike) ? |
| 21:22.57 | randomity | DPG__: Basically because I'm on dialup and I found a mag with 7 discs of it |
| 21:22.59 | dvs | Mutil8: Hit Alt-F2 |
| 21:23.12 | Mutil8 | ok |
| 21:23.13 | randomity | DPG__: KDE 3.3.2 |
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| 21:23.31 | Mutil8 | brings me to a console |
| 21:23.33 | greycat | !ati |
| 21:23.33 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 21:23.36 | danny | dpkg I tyed to use that HOWTO but not worked |
| 21:23.44 | greycat | !ati |
| 21:23.44 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 21:23.44 | randomity | DPG__: BTW, doesn't knoppix 3.9 have KDE 3.4? |
| 21:23.48 | dvs | Mutil8: No help text? |
| 21:23.58 | Mutil8 | it's booting 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
| 21:24.04 | Mutil8 | so it's using a 2.6 kernel |
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| 21:24.17 | DPG__ | randomity whats special about the LE |
| 21:24.29 | valdyn | Mutil8: you're using a sid netinstall? |
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| 21:24.29 | dvs | Mutil8: And it still doesn't see your SATA drive? |
| 21:24.35 | Mutil8 | dvs: nope |
| 21:24.40 | Mutil8 | says it's loading the sata_nv module |
| 21:24.49 | Mutil8 | but im guessing that fails for some reason |
| 21:24.52 | Mutil8 | valdyn: yeah |
| 21:24.56 | dvs | Mutil8: nforce chipset? |
| 21:25.00 | Mutil8 | nforce 3 |
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| 21:25.29 | valdyn | ops, i misread, you're probably not using a sid netinstall |
| 21:25.30 | randomity | DPG__: Nothing, it's Mandrake 10.2. They had to change the name a bit and make it sound exciting after the merger with Connectiva |
| 21:25.41 | Mutil8 | valdyn: what do you mean by 'sid'? |
| 21:25.44 | dvs | Mutil8: Oh, it's stuck saying "loading sata_nv" |
| 21:25.46 | Shadowcat | randomity: mandcrap |
| 21:26.02 | DPG__ | randomity no i know its mandrake... but why the Limited edition ? |
| 21:26.03 | Mutil8 | dvs: no, it finishes that, and then prompts me to select my network card |
| 21:26.06 | valdyn | Mutil8: /msg dpkg sid, hwoever, just ignore what i said since you're not using a sid netinstall.. |
| 21:26.16 | dvs | Mutil8: Then what part doesn't work? |
| 21:26.19 | randomity | Shadowcat: nope, it's pretty good. URPMI is the only RPM-based system that comes close to apt |
| 21:26.34 | Mutil8 | when it tries to install |
| 21:26.40 | doleyb | randomity: i think rpm-based apt is close to apt. |
| 21:26.56 | Mutil8 | it says i have no partitionable drives |
| 21:26.59 | randomity | DPG__: No idea. I thought it was a bit stupid, saying a piece of software that anyone can freely copy is "limited" |
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| 21:27.27 | dvs | Mutil8: Ah. I think the 2.6.8 isn't new enough. |
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| 21:27.44 | randomity | doleyb: apt4rpm is a bit of an ugly hack. If i'm not using debian with dpkg and debs, I would want to be using urpmi instead of apt4rpm |
| 21:27.49 | danny | When I follow favio's instructions to install ATI drivers theres a step I cannot do |
| 21:27.49 | valdyn | Mutil8: google for whatever you got for your sata controller w/ lspci.. maybe you need to create a custom d-i |
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| 21:28.13 | valdyn | danny: which is ? |
| 21:28.25 | LightVision | dvs: hello |
| 21:28.29 | riddlebox | do you guys recomend ubuntu? |
| 21:28.36 | valdyn | riddlebox: no |
| 21:28.37 | dvs | LightVision: hello. |
| 21:28.37 | LightVision | riddlebox: I recommend Debian |
| 21:28.40 | gravity | No, we recommend Debian |
| 21:28.42 | Mutil8 | hrm, you'd think 2.6.8 would work since nf3 is fairly old |
| 21:28.58 | anjumbutt | hi all |
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| 21:29.01 | LightVision | riddlebox: what can ubuntu do that Debian cant (and better) ? |
| 21:29.02 | danny | valdyn: when I have to do te ./make.sh |
| 21:29.03 | randomity | ricardoivieitez_: Asking that on #debian!!! You may as well ask about vi on #emacs |
| 21:29.07 | greycat | danny: /msg dpkg ati |
| 21:29.12 | randomity | ricardoivieitez_: sorry, i meant riddlebox |
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| 21:29.14 | greycat | danny: or SAY what the problem IS> |
| 21:29.14 | LightVision | randomity: hehe ;) |
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| 21:29.19 | riddlebox | I am just asking |
| 21:29.21 | greycat | danny: THERE IS NO make.sh |
| 21:29.23 | LightVision | riddlebox: what can ubuntu do that Debian cant do? |
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| 21:29.30 | randomity | r |
| 21:29.34 | randomity | crap |
| 21:29.36 | valdyn | danny: that's defenitely not needed anywhere. see what greycat said |
| 21:29.40 | doleyb | LightVision: you don't have to be smart to install ubuntu |
| 21:29.46 | Shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 21:29.46 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 21:29.51 | ricardoivieitez_ | Sorry |
| 21:29.53 | gravity | It's the same installer |
| 21:29.59 | Shadowcat | !based on debian |
| 21:29.59 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 21:30.04 | randomity | gravity: no, it ain't |
| 21:30.11 | LightVision | doleyb: Debian is easy to install these days. Take Sarge for example, anyone with a BRAIN can install it |
| 21:30.14 | danny | the prob is in this step "This will build a module that matches the running kernel; you need to have the correct kernel source and configuration in place. |
| 21:30.14 | danny | cd /usr/src/modules/fglrx |
| 21:30.14 | danny | ./make.sh |
| 21:30.19 | manu | How do i get the latest version of gnome installed in debian |
| 21:30.19 | gravity | randomity: How is it so different? |
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| 21:30.20 | luite | how can I find out why a kernel does not boot? I built my own kernel using make-kpkg (based on a standard .config file), and grub says "Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel.", and ten nothing happens |
| 21:30.23 | Shadowcat | randomity: yes it is the same installer |
| 21:30.29 | doleyb | LightVision: right, you need a BRAIN to install debian. No BRAIN needed for ubuntu |
| 21:30.32 | Shadowcat | it's just the post install that's different |
| 21:30.34 | Mutil8 | hmmm, lspci doesn't seem to work either |
| 21:30.48 | me_here | will a sid kde-theme work in sarge too ? |
| 21:30.53 | randomity | I thought sarge made a new installer. Ubuntu uses it's own, surely? |
| 21:30.53 | LightVision | Shadowcat: update that "!based on debian" to include that crap Mepis too |
| 21:31.00 | cheal | me_here: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:31.13 | me_here | cheal: ok, thx |
| 21:31.17 | LightVision | doleyb: lol ;) |
| 21:31.17 | Shadowcat | *sigh* |
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| 21:31.29 | greycat | Ctrl-W |
| 21:31.29 | greycat | bye bye page. |
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| 21:31.33 | LightVision | how can I update the Bot? |
| 21:31.33 | gravity | randomity: No. They have modifications, but it's the same codebase. |
| 21:31.38 | randomity | LightVision: Mepis ain't that bad. It has a niche for when you want a server on a live CD. Not often, but sometimes |
| 21:31.41 | bobibleyboo | Hey I am trying to install deb on laptop Acer travelmate 2300 the first part of the net install goes well but when it tries to reboot it just stops about half way through booting the last line that it prints is /etc/rcS.d/S36discover: line 162: 1003 Segmentation fault modprobe $MODUL |
| 21:31.49 | manu | How do i get the latest version of gnome installed in debian |
| 21:31.57 | LightVision | randomity: have you used and tried and tested Mepis yourself? |
| 21:31.58 | greycat | !latest |
| 21:31.58 | dpkg | methinks latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 21:32.04 | randomity | LightVision: Yep |
| 21:32.04 | danny | this is overbooking me... anyone can ake me a private window? |
| 21:32.13 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 21:32.15 | LightVision | randomity: how long were you testing it for? |
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| 21:32.34 | mlalkaka | is the testing distro currently known as etch? |
| 21:32.35 | randomity | LightVision: on the topic of installers, Mepis has the best one. You do it from within KDE |
| 21:32.46 | randomity | LightVision: couple of months |
| 21:32.48 | dvs | mlalkaka: Yes |
| 21:32.49 | LightVision | randomity: i tried and tested Mepis for 2 weeks, and its crap and buggy like the ant farm |
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| 21:33.09 | LightVision | randomity: why use Mepis when you can use Debian? |
| 21:33.09 | abrotman | who will win this epic battle |
| 21:33.11 | mlalkaka | is it safe to update the x window system packages to x.org in etch now? |
| 21:33.17 | mlalkaka | using apt-get |
| 21:33.30 | LightVision | mlalkaka: I thought Etch comes out in 18 months |
| 21:33.38 | dvs | mlalkaka: It works for me. |
| 21:33.43 | randomity | LightVision: I may have mentioned this before to someone else, but I am on dialup. I use whatever distro I can find the most CD's for |
| 21:33.43 | riddlebox | ok I have one more dumb question, is debian testing usable or should I just get stable? |
| 21:33.46 | dvs | LightVision: I hope not (in 18 months) |
| 21:33.55 | LightVision | randomity: i use modem too :P |
| 21:34.03 | dvs | riddlebox: Start off with stable |
| 21:34.07 | mlalkaka | dvs, do you know if the 3d acceleration drivers for nvidia work now? |
| 21:34.07 | LightVision | dvs: what you mean? |
| 21:34.10 | manu | How do i get the latest version of gnome installed in debian |
| 21:34.16 | dvs | mlalkaka: I don't use nvidia |
| 21:34.17 | randomity | LightVision: I hope you don't download Debian from scratch on it. |
| 21:34.22 | riddlebox | dvs:is it easy to upgrade kde to 3.4? |
| 21:34.27 | Maulkin | manu: apt-get install gnome |
| 21:34.27 | greycat | manu: 1) install sarge. 2) install X. 3) install gnome. 4) like it. |
| 21:34.28 | dvs | LightVision: They're hoping for a shorter release cycle |
| 21:34.32 | greycat | step 4 is optional. |
| 21:34.34 | LightVision | randomity: I bought a magazine and it came with Debian Sarge |
| 21:34.45 | LightVision | randomity: only cost me $AU20 |
| 21:34.46 | dvs | riddlebox: Dunno. I just use whatever's in testing. |
| 21:34.46 | randomity | LightVision: on the upside, I got a CD of debian sarge recently, so wait and see... |
| 21:34.56 | doleyb | riddlebox: kde 3.4.2 is mostly in sid, but not completely, it doesn't have koffice yet. |
| 21:34.58 | valdyn | danny: skip ahead in that howto and build that modules with module-assistant |
| 21:35.06 | LightVision | dvs: yeah hope so! 3 years is too long |
| 21:35.18 | abrotman | greycat: looks like sunday |
| 21:35.22 | randomity | LightVision: Mine cost about 10 euro |
| 21:35.31 | mlalkaka | dvs, alright. thanks |
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| 21:36.23 | DPG__ | hey wahts the difference between 3.9 and dvd 4.0 right now? |
| 21:36.27 | LightVision | i came from MS windows and I could install Sarge easy as! Sarge is vey very easy to install! no need for mepis or ubuntu |
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| 21:36.46 | rutski89 | how do i read only the first 4 bytes of my HD with the dd command? |
| 21:36.48 | gravity | If he wants to use mepis or ubuntu just let him |
| 21:36.50 | gravity | It's his choice |
| 21:36.56 | gravity | It's all Free Software |
| 21:36.56 | randomity | DPG__: well, dvd 4, being a dvd, has a s***load of software |
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| 21:37.19 | valdyn | rutski89: dd if=/dev/hda of=somefile bs=4 count=1 |
| 21:37.20 | randomity | gravity: as long as its based on debian ;-) |
| 21:37.39 | gravity | randomity: I don't begrudge people who want to use something non-Debian based. |
| 21:37.45 | LightVision | there are some securrity updates for Sarge released |
| 21:37.50 | randomity | gravity: just joking |
| 21:37.52 | Maulkin | rutski89: dd if=/dev/hda of=foo bs=4 count=1 |
| 21:37.55 | gravity | If gentoo or Redhat or whatever is a better fit, then go for it |
| 21:38.02 | Mutil8 | if im putting this on an amd64 system, should i just get the i386 image? |
| 21:38.02 | Maulkin | oh, like valdyn said :) |
| 21:38.13 | dvs | Mutil8: k7 |
| 21:38.19 | me_here | one thing i would like to know if i have both stable and testing sources in my sources.list, will the dependencies be affected by the order of stable and testing in sources.list ? |
| 21:38.20 | LightVision | Im new to Linux and Debian and may I say! I am so happy I was led into using Debian for Sarge rocks :) love it |
| 21:38.22 | johaBBa | anyone using a USB wifi NIC? |
| 21:38.24 | DPG__ | randomity you said ark linux has 3.4.2 but its not a livecd do u know any livecds with kde latest |
| 21:38.30 | LightVision | I am getting all my friends to use Debian instaed of XP too |
| 21:38.33 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:38.33 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:38.37 | dvs | me_here: you will get testing. |
| 21:38.38 | valdyn | me_here: no |
| 21:38.39 | Mutil8 | dvs: im going to download the full install image instead of the net install, so i can try and get it running |
| 21:38.42 | randomity | DPG__: Knoppix 3.9 CD has KDE 3.4 |
| 21:38.43 | DPG__ | LightVision how long u been using it for |
| 21:38.49 | Mutil8 | 3.1r0a? |
| 21:38.55 | me_here | dvs: valdyn: thx |
| 21:39.00 | LightVision | DPG__: few weeks now |
| 21:39.09 | november | what's the easist way to encrypt a whole parition in debian |
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| 21:39.16 | LightVision | DPG__: you? |
| 21:39.49 | DPG__ | LightVision do u use fluxbox |
| 21:39.49 | LightVision | november: why do you need to encrypt it? whats on there that is so horrid that needs hiding? |
| 21:39.58 | LightVision | DPG__: whats fluxbox? |
| 21:40.06 | DPG__ | LightVision its a window manager, what do oyu use gnome or kde |
| 21:40.17 | november | LightVision: sometimes when you get raided you get scared it may happen again |
| 21:40.24 | LightVision | DPG__: I have gnome and kde installed, but I only ever use kde |
| 21:40.34 | LightVision | november: why were you raided? |
| 21:40.39 | abrotman | LightVision: knock it off |
| 21:40.40 | randomity | november: have a look at EncFS. I know nothing about it except that it's based on FUSE, so there'll be a link to it at fuse.sf.net |
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| 21:40.53 | LightVision | DPG__: how does fluxbox compare with KDE? |
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| 21:41.11 | DPG__ | LightVision its way lighter and faster |
| 21:41.14 | jethro | gah |
| 21:41.17 | mc303 | is it possible to unload the ipv6 module from a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 21:41.20 | jethro | *plonk* |
| 21:41.21 | randomity | LightVision: You don't compare fluxbox with KDE. Maybe with Kwin. |
| 21:41.23 | LightVision | november: are you that guy who was selling pirated DVD movies? |
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| 21:41.28 | november | LightVision: fuck no |
| 21:41.29 | mc303 | or make sure it doesn't get loaded ? |
| 21:41.36 | dvs | mc303: modprobe -r <mod-name> |
| 21:41.36 | november | randomity: thanks man |
| 21:41.38 | LightVision | DPG__: how can I install on Sarge? |
| 21:41.41 | ma3x | holaaaaa |
| 21:41.54 | LightVision | november: no sorry, that was December |
| 21:41.55 | ma3x | why everything i try to install contains bugs? |
| 21:41.56 | mc303 | dvs, then I get: FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use. |
| 21:42.00 | LightVision | november: :) |
| 21:42.02 | ma3x | x-window-system-core has bugs |
| 21:42.12 | ma3x | how am i supposed to install X? |
| 21:42.13 | valdyn | ma3x: no software is w/o bugs |
| 21:42.18 | greycat | I seriously doubt a meta-package can contain a bug. |
| 21:42.22 | LightVision | ma3x: yes me too! So i learned to ignore that bug report |
| 21:42.28 | ma3x | greycat what's a meta package man? |
| 21:42.38 | greycat | *mini-plonk* |
| 21:43.02 | LightVision | DPG__: if I install fluxbox, will all my programs that are currently available through KDE, show up in fluxbox? |
| 21:43.02 | ma3x | LightVision: it's important if you want to have a bugs-free system |
| 21:43.19 | randomity | LightVision: yep, the debian-menu system is kewl |
| 21:43.22 | Coweater | ma3x: no such thing |
| 21:43.25 | LightVision | ma3x: name one 100% bug free system |
| 21:43.29 | ma3x | Coweater what thing? |
| 21:43.36 | dvs | LightVision: Windows |
| 21:43.36 | ma3x | LightVision netbsd! |
| 21:43.42 | randomity | LightVision: would a bug free program do? |
| 21:43.42 | ma3x | 1 bug in 12 years |
| 21:43.52 | LightVision | randomity: how do I install fluxbox on Sarge? |
| 21:43.55 | ma3x | isn't that hell fu*ing secure? |
| 21:44.01 | dubbaluga | hi! does anybody know a tool that can create graphics based on the traffic caused by the stations on the (local) net? i thought of mrtg, but does that only work in combination with snmp? |
| 21:44.11 | randomity | LightVision: Usually apt-get install fluxbox |
| 21:44.12 | LightVision | randomity: is there such a thing as a totally 100% bug free program? |
| 21:44.21 | jethro | dubbaluga: munin |
| 21:44.23 | randomity | LightVision: yes there most definitely is |
| 21:44.31 | valdyn | ma3x: maybe you should go to www.netbsd.org and read |
| 21:44.31 | ma3x | is there replacement for x-window-system |
| 21:44.33 | randomity | LightVision: It consists of "return 0;" |
| 21:44.35 | ma3x | a one that is bugs free? |
| 21:44.48 | doleyb | LightVision: don't try fluxbox unless you have some angry at kde, or are bored and want to test. |
| 21:44.50 | LightVision | randomity: ok I never heard of a totally 100% bug free program! so thats new to me :) |
| 21:44.52 | DPG__ | randomity Hello world can be bug free |
| 21:44.55 | ma3x | valdyn : i read last time 1 bug in 8 or 12 years |
| 21:44.59 | randomity | LightVision: I'm fairly sure /bin/false is bugfree |
| 21:45.03 | greycat | I've also seen hello world programs with bugs. |
| 21:45.08 | LightVision | doleyb: why not? whats wrong with fluxbox? |
| 21:45.11 | valdyn | ma3x: that's not written there, try again |
| 21:45.19 | greycat | "void main() ...." is a classic. |
| 21:45.24 | LightVision | greycat: hehe ;) |
| 21:45.28 | randomity | greycat: but have you seen a /bin/false with bugs? |
| 21:45.31 | ma3x | valdyn tell me what you see? |
| 21:45.32 | DPG__ | sometimes when i use .h it doesnt work |
| 21:45.33 | dubbaluga | jethro: thank you! i found an interesting article on debian-administration.org - should give that a try :) |
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| 21:45.36 | greycat | randomity: I'm not in the habit of reading them |
| 21:45.39 | doleyb | fluxbox does less stuff than KDE, if you're don't even know what a WM is, you shouldn't be fluxbox. |
| 21:45.50 | jethro | dubbaluga: you're welcome |
| 21:45.50 | DPG__ | i agree doleyb |
| 21:45.56 | me_here | wich filesystems can i provide for my dvd besides iso9660 ? |
| 21:45.57 | honschu | Hi, is it possible to boot form a Serial-ATA Harddrive? I'm planing to buy one. |
| 21:46.05 | LightVision | doleyb: whats WM? :) |
| 21:46.05 | greycat | ma3x: UDF or ISO9660 |
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| 21:46.09 | randomity | greycat: the usual /bin/false program is "int main(void) { return 1; }" |
| 21:46.10 | dvs | me_here: ufs |
| 21:46.12 | valdyn | ma3x: something like "1 remotely exploitable security hole in the default install in the last whatever years" |
| 21:46.14 | danny | linux hates me :_( |
| 21:46.15 | DPG__ | LightVision its limited for you especially if you like window syou will only like KDE or Gnome not other ones there is one more like enlightment |
| 21:46.16 | Coweater | ma3x: openbsd claims one remote hole in the default install in 8 years, but that is not bugs, bugs are fairly common place |
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| 21:46.23 | greycat | randomity: no, the normal one is #! /bin/sh\nexit 1 |
| 21:46.24 | doleyb | if you are interested in learning about WMs, then you can install twm fvwm fluxbox and sawfish, and then compare, for education. |
| 21:46.26 | me_here | greycat: is it written udf or udfs in fstab ? |
| 21:46.35 | greycat | me_here: man fstab; man mount |
| 21:46.39 | dvs | me_here: Just use "auto" |
| 21:46.43 | LightVision | DPG__: have you tried enlightment? I have read about that |
| 21:46.54 | ma3x | okay |
| 21:46.56 | me_here | greycat: thx |
| 21:47.00 | me_here | dvs: i'll try |
| 21:47.04 | LightVision | doleyb: whats WM? : |
| 21:47.08 | randomity | greycat: weeelllllll, mine is an ELF executable. I'm not on debian though |
| 21:47.13 | DPG__ | LightVision window managers |
| 21:47.28 | LightVision | DPG__: ok |
| 21:47.35 | doleyb | LightVision: wm is the program that does the titles and borders around windows. |
| 21:47.38 | randomity | doleyb: my favorite mini-wm has to be wmi |
| 21:47.43 | LightVision | DPG__: have you tried enlightment yourself? |
| 21:47.46 | randomity | doleyb: ever used it |
| 21:47.51 | LightVision | doleyb: AH I get it |
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| 21:47.55 | DPG__ | LightVision Are you as productive as you were on windows on linux? |
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| 21:48.14 | riddlebox | I can install debian from the net right? |
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| 21:48.21 | LightVision | doleyb: so enlightment is a vm, right? |
| 21:48.22 | ma3x | okay just one question |
| 21:48.23 | dvs | riddlebox: yup |
| 21:48.29 | streuner | !d-i riddlebox |
| 21:48.30 | dpkg | riddlebox, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:48.32 | LightVision | DPG__: define productive |
| 21:48.39 | ma3x | i try to install x-window-system-core and i get these errors: #318491 - xbase-clients: doesn't install |
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| 21:48.45 | ma3x | i mean that's just one of them |
| 21:48.46 | riddlebox | dvs:I have been looking on the site for the howto but I havent seen it yet |
| 21:48.53 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know of a live CD where I can load up windows MBR's? |
| 21:49.00 | ma3x | but why a stable distribution includes something that is not installable? |
| 21:49.06 | LightVision | riddlebox: installing Sarge is as easy as abc |
| 21:49.10 | TwistedEmotions | basically I have lost my win2k cd so I cant fix a windows drive MBR.. any ideas? |
| 21:49.24 | ma3x | then #309143 - xlibs: libxpm4's new s_popen() function is insecure garbage |
| 21:49.25 | LightVision | riddlebox: most peple give up and never learn |
| 21:49.28 | DPG__ | LightVision Well when i first switched, there were a hundred things i coulden't do on Linux i would've done in windows, with the same speed and flexibility. From your few weeks of using Sarge, i was wondering how it was in terms of doing stuff. |
| 21:49.43 | LightVision | riddlebox: peristence is the key to growth |
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| 21:50.14 | LightVision | DPG__: there is nothing for me personally that I could do on MS windows that I cant do on Linux |
| 21:50.27 | LightVision | DPG__: in fact I can DO MORE on Debian than I could on MS windows |
| 21:50.34 | doleyb | i can't play warcraft on linux, which would be hugely anti-productive |
| 21:50.36 | riddlebox | well I have really liked my knoppmyth server which is basically debian from what I understand, but all I had to do with that was stick a disk in and answer a few questions it did the rest for me |
| 21:50.37 | DPG__ | LightVision Like what |
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| 21:51.23 | LightVision | riddlebox: experiment, and learn! I installed my first Linux 4 times before I got it right! But I didnt give up and learned what I did wrong the first times |
| 21:51.35 | DPG__ | I hate the whole DVD end of things, i mean, for old comptuers its just s*it |
| 21:51.38 | LightVision | DPG__: like compile programs which is fun for me to learn |
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| 21:51.54 | randomity | DPG__: I do a lot of dev work. My mini-test-suites on Linux consist of one line of bash, which would have taken an hour of coding something on Windows, or, God forbid, two hours of VBscripting |
| 21:52.44 | randomity | DPG__: I had that problem, but you can just borrow a laptop with a dvd drive and get a crossover cable and do a netinst |
| 21:52.47 | LightVision | DPG__: I never had ability to compile my own programs on MS windows that I could then use! for example, I compiled xchat and then installed it and used it! was great :) |
| 21:53.07 | DPG__ | LightVision its not that complicated |
| 21:53.25 | DPG__ | LightVision yo make it sound like you became a programmer from using linux than being a user from windows |
| 21:53.26 | LightVision | DPG__: and I can set up Debian to be more secure than MS windows! I dont worry about someone using my system and I dont worry about spyware |
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| 21:53.47 | amphi | LightVision: _even_ more secure, shurely |
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| 21:54.01 | dvs | LightVision: NEVER underestimate security |
| 21:54.02 | DPG__ | LightVision i'm sure you can't secure it much |
| 21:54.03 | LightVision | DPG__: save your time. you wont succeed getting me back to Ms windows! you can tell MS your methods of recruting didnt work on me |
| 21:54.08 | randomity | LightVision: you don't have to set up debian for it to be more secure than windows |
| 21:54.11 | riddlebox | LightVision:do I only need the first cd out of the set to get the base? or is it easier to just get the netinst disc and get it all from the web? |
| 21:54.11 | LightVision | amphi: indeed |
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| 21:54.40 | abrotman | !d-i riddlebox |
| 21:54.41 | dpkg | riddlebox, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:54.42 | LightVision | riddlebox: i only used the 1 CD |
| 21:54.42 | DPG__ | LightVision, At the end of the day Windows is what most people use due to its hassle-free I personally like linux, and am using it |
| 21:54.45 | dvs | riddlebox: Either will work. |
| 21:54.59 | LightVision | riddlebox: and then I used apt-get and installed whatever I wanted from web |
| 21:55.08 | riddlebox | ok thanks |
| 21:55.09 | DPG__ | LightVision anyone can do that |
| 21:55.22 | DPG__ | To me that isnt really compiling |
| 21:55.25 | DPG__ | its doing everything for you |
| 21:56.03 | abrotman | that's why it's called package management |
| 21:56.26 | smx | I need some help with installing java runtime on deb. Any takers? |
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| 21:56.32 | LightVision | DPG__: well I cant stand Ms windows. for many reasons, 1 closed source code which we have NO idea what its really dping! 2. spyware and virus. 3. Costs money, over $250 here in Australia! 4. keeps freezing and system becomes unstable! And I could go on and on |
| 21:56.33 | abrotman | !tell smx about install java |
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| 21:57.22 | smx | I've been trying to install the jre plugin package for mozilla |
| 21:57.29 | LightVision | DPG__: so as I said, you can save your time. you wont recreuit me on using MS windows ever again! im happy with Debian, never been happier |
| 21:57.45 | smx | It installs fine, but then when I try to use it I get "class not found" messages. What gives? |
| 21:57.56 | abrotman | what installs fine? |
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| 21:58.05 | smx | the jre package |
| 21:58.09 | LightVision | DPG__: btw, there is a room called #windows on Dalnet that you may want to migrate to :) have fun |
| 21:58.10 | abrotman | smx: did oyu use the .bin from sun or java-package? |
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| 21:58.26 | smx | I used the java-package |
| 21:58.36 | abrotman | your classpath should be set |
| 21:58.36 | wold | could anyone give me a faq for setting up a network printer with samba? |
| 21:58.46 | smx | The Sun binary installer doesn't seem to work |
| 21:58.54 | abrotman | wold: samba.org |
| 21:58.57 | smx | How do I set the class path? |
| 21:59.04 | SimonRaven | @troll DPG__ |
| 21:59.24 | LightVision | talking about networking. Can you network 2 computers using only USB ports? Or do you need 2 NIC's? |
| 21:59.28 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i think you misfired |
| 21:59.30 | LightVision | ravenbird: Agreed |
| 21:59.30 | ravenbird | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, LightVision |
| 21:59.51 | LightVision | ravenbird: I also declare DPG a troll and he probably works for MS windows |
| 21:59.52 | ravenbird | LightVision: are you using Windows? |
| 21:59.54 | jvw | smx: did you use java-package (make-jpkg) on the sun installer, and install the generated .deb? |
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| 22:00.05 | Equinox | Is via82cxxx a sound module? |
| 22:00.11 | Equinox | My sound isn't working and I'm trying to figure out why |
| 22:00.19 | streuner | Equinox: yep |
| 22:00.20 | smx | jvw -- nope. Didn't try that. |
| 22:00.22 | LightVision | ever since I came here today, DPG has been trying to recruit me on using Ms windows! and that sucks, because I am here to talk Debian NOT MS windows crap |
| 22:00.31 | smx | Didn't see it. |
| 22:00.40 | abrotman | smx: i already asked you that |
| 22:00.40 | jvw | smx: that's that "using java-package" means |
| 22:00.45 | LightVision | ravenbird: no, I only use Debian! In fact I tossed away my Ms windows 95, 98 and XP Cd's |
| 22:00.46 | ravenbird | You are moron #1, LightVision |
| 22:00.49 | streuner | Equinox: modinfo <module> |
| 22:00.51 | Equinox | streuner, Any idea where to start? For some reason my sound isn't working.. I have it insmod'd |
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| 22:00.56 | Equinox | Oh.. Cool |
| 22:01.00 | jvw | smx: see /usr/share/doc/java-package (or generally, any packagename) for documenation on how to use |
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| 22:01.10 | SimonRaven | LightVision: ravenbird is a bot |
| 22:01.11 | smx | thanks. |
| 22:01.12 | Equinox | description: PCI driver module for VIA IDE |
| 22:01.12 | streuner | !audio |
| 22:01.12 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 22:01.18 | LightVision | ravenbird: why? because I love Debian and refuse to use MS windows you claim Im a moron? |
| 22:01.20 | ravenbird | LightVision: You are moron #2 |
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| 22:01.26 | SimonRaven | LightVision: ravenbird is a bot |
| 22:01.37 | abrotman | SimonRaven: LightVision is a troll IMO :) |
| 22:01.45 | streuner | LightVision: SimonRaven's bot |
| 22:01.45 | LightVision | SimonRaven: that explains a lot :) |
| 22:01.50 | jvw | please, can we all stop calling eachother trolls? |
| 22:01.54 | SimonRaven | hehe... nah, just um, enthusiastic ;) |
| 22:01.55 | jvw | that is not constructive at all |
| 22:01.55 | LightVision | streuner: hehe ;) |
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| 22:02.01 | abrotman | jvw: you dwarf! |
| 22:02.01 | november | i installed the packages for FUSE but cant find the modules when i modprobe it |
| 22:02.09 | LightVision | SimonRaven: you should discipline your bot :) |
| 22:02.12 | jvw | abrotman: and please don't do that |
| 22:02.18 | scarynetworkguy | SimonRaven: Oh come on. One of them was really close to passinga Turing test and ther other failing it. :) |
| 22:02.23 | abrotman | jvw: you're not a dwarf? |
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| 22:02.36 | SimonRaven | scarynetworkguy: hahahah, too true ;) |
| 22:02.37 | jvw | abrotman: that is not relevant at all, and suppose I am? |
| 22:02.47 | abrotman | jvw: you're a mythical creature? |
| 22:02.49 | SimonRaven | jvw: dude, relax |
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| 22:03.23 | streuner | jvw: its saturday evening - lets have fun :-) |
| 22:03.31 | jvw | SimonRaven: I'm relaxed, I'm trying to hint people that playing with bots and calling eachtother names isn't productive to the goal of this channel |
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| 22:03.36 | LightVision | jvw: do as I do, place abrotman on ignore! abrotman has nothing of value to add to your growht, believe me :) |
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| 22:03.48 | abrotman | jvw: yes .. ignore me .. then all your problems are solved |
| 22:03.49 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:03.51 | jvw | for fun, there are other channels, plus, this is a weird way of having 'fun' IMHO |
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| 22:04.05 | LightVision | jvw: ever since I placed abrotman on my ignore last week, my time in here has been pleasent :) |
| 22:04.08 | SimonRaven | jvw: you know what's not productive? THESE FUCKING SPAM BOTS JOINING AND PARTING ;) |
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| 22:04.19 | jcurry | i tried installing dri cvs snapshots, and it doesn't work...is this a dri problem of a debian problem? everyone in #dri is asleep |
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| 22:04.22 | jvw | SimonRaven: sheez, how about you relax? |
| 22:04.27 | jcurry | or* |
| 22:04.30 | LightVision | SimonRaven: you cant stop it! |
| 22:05.01 | SimonRaven | YHBT |
| 22:05.02 | ma3x | after the launch of kde, it freezes on initializing system services. |
| 22:05.08 | LightVision | SimonRaven: why do you worry and complain about thing that are out of your control! thats being reactive to life! better to be proactive and make the best of what life deals you |
| 22:05.11 | UdontKnow | SimonRaven: sorry, we're working what we can to wipe these things off |
| 22:05.13 | greycat | jvw: My goodness! You are right! Playing with bots! Perish the thought! I shall never play with a bot again! |
| 22:05.21 | greycat | They might corrupt my precious bodily fluids! |
| 22:05.33 | SimonRaven | UdontKnow: i know, i'm just kidding. i know you folks are doing your best |
| 22:05.36 | abrotman | UdontKnow: you guys suck :) |
| 22:05.44 | ma3x | exit |
| 22:05.50 | greycat | jvw: There! I feel so much better now! |
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| 22:06.10 | UdontKnow | abrotman: hah! |
| 22:06.10 | SimonRaven | LightVision: ok, thanks for the moral support, but i'm feeling very well, thank you |
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| 22:06.22 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: You've never seen the propaganda film? </futurama_refrence> |
| 22:06.30 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you should stop drinking .. it's a poison .. and wikipedia is always wrong |
| 22:06.34 | LightVision | SimonRaven: chill and relax and take life as it is and make the best of it! you cant control the weather, the government, taxes, bots, so live with it and make the best of it! thats being proactive and mature :) |
| 22:06.41 | SimonRaven | considering i spent 1 day and a half in jail thursday-friday, i'm feeling rather happy |
| 22:07.00 | LightVision | SimonRaven: ok, im glad you will consider it and stop complaining! well done! :) |
| 22:07.16 | LightVision | SimonRaven: well thats what you get for touching little kids! |
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| 22:07.27 | SimonRaven | -_- |
| 22:07.27 | geoffrey | how easy/hard would debian be for someone who's only experience with *nix is doing simple commands in OS X's terminal? |
| 22:07.30 | kingtux | Anyone have an OKI printer working with linux |
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| 22:07.33 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 22:07.41 | SimonRaven | LightVision: asshole |
| 22:07.45 | abrotman | geoffrey: it's possible |
| 22:07.50 | abrotman | SimonRaven: no .. the dirty T-word |
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| 22:07.59 | LightVision | SimonRaven: stay away from shopping centres and kids centers in the future and you will be just fine and not arrested anymore :P |
| 22:08.01 | abrotman | geoffrey: open to learning ? |
| 22:08.05 | abrotman | SimonRaven: see ... |
| 22:08.06 | streuner | geoffrey: if you have a brain and you are able to read - its easy ;-) |
| 22:08.13 | geoffrey | :) |
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| 22:08.24 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: There's one with a 50s styles "education film" about why dating robots is bad. Way funny stuff. |
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| 22:08.39 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: And speaking of SF. Have you seen Niven's new book? |
| 22:08.52 | LightVision | SimonRaven: doing 1 day and a half in jail doesnt make you a tough guy. |
| 22:09.26 | julien | Hi |
| 22:09.32 | julien | damnit, KDE is still broken ?? |
| 22:09.33 | LightVision | julien: hello |
| 22:09.50 | abrotman | julien: in sid ? |
| 22:09.51 | LightVision | julien: what kde is broken? |
| 22:10.09 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: no |
| 22:10.16 | abrotman | julien: ask #debian-kde if you mean from etch/sid |
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| 22:11.50 | dogmeat | how do i build a debian package from a tar.gz ball where i used 'make' to build? |
| 22:11.56 | greycat | !mg |
| 22:11.56 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, it is also the shorthand for Madagascar |
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| 22:12.13 | dogmeat | thanks |
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| 22:12.38 | sorcre | Hello, is there a tutorial somewhere to setup 3d acceleration on my laptop? It was a Radeon IGP 345M. A friend help me before, but I forgot what I did. |
| 22:12.39 | MegaByte | http://softwareagain.homelinux.org/playmidi_megabyte_release.html |
| 22:12.47 | MegaByte | Who's willing to test it? :D |
| 22:12.47 | abrotman | MegaByte: what's that? |
| 22:12.51 | LightVision | dogmeat: did you ./configure first? |
| 22:12.57 | MegaByte | abrotman, it's my release of playmidi |
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| 22:13.04 | LightVision | sorcre: I learned from experience to always take notes |
| 22:13.04 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 22:13.06 | Akrame | bonjour tout le monnde |
| 22:13.08 | MegaByte | abrotman, it was a great midi player inthe past |
| 22:13.14 | MegaByte | in the |
| 22:13.17 | MegaByte | so I bugfixed it |
| 22:13.18 | LightVision | MegaByte: you wrote it yourself? |
| 22:13.21 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 22:13.22 | dpkg | ati debs is probably http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:13.23 | Akrame | hi all , how can i disable the ssh access for a user |
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| 22:13.27 | abrotman | !fr |
| 22:13.27 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 22:13.35 | sorcre | I took notes, I just can't find them... |
| 22:13.38 | LightVision | MegaByte: your program plays midi files? |
| 22:13.41 | abrotman | Akrame: all access ? or just ssh? |
| 22:13.47 | MegaByte | LightVision, no... I explain what happened in the site. It's not mine, it's my release |
| 22:13.51 | Akrame | just ssh |
| 22:13.53 | Akrame | just ssh |
| 22:13.54 | MegaByte | LightVision, that program was abandoned in 1998 |
| 22:13.59 | abrotman | Akrame: man sshd_config |
| 22:14.03 | LightVision | MegaByte: cool |
| 22:14.07 | LightVision | MegaByte: ok |
| 22:14.08 | MegaByte | LightVision, so I decided to mess with its source code and fix it |
| 22:14.21 | LightVision | MegaByte: great, well done |
| 22:14.23 | MegaByte | Like rewrite things, bugfix them... |
| 22:14.36 | MegaByte | LightVision, have you seen the album? |
| 22:14.40 | LightVision | MegaByte: sounds good :) |
| 22:14.50 | LightVision | MegaByte: no I havent |
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| 22:15.36 | MegaByte | LightVision, http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=8192786&uid=3955322&members=1 |
| 22:15.36 | LightVision | MegaByte: ok thanks, ill look |
| 22:15.37 | MegaByte | LightVision, chech the original version (I call it 2.4.0) and then mine, 2.4.6 |
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| 22:15.47 | LightVision | MegaByte: ok |
| 22:16.04 | Akrame | ok abrotman thank you |
| 22:16.22 | LightVision | MegaByte: when something goes from 2.4.0 to 2.4.6, does this mean 6 bugs were found and corrected? |
| 22:16.23 | Rockret | exist one way to know what version gcc use my kernel-image ? |
| 22:16.31 | MegaByte | LightVision, no |
| 22:16.41 | MegaByte | LightVision, Depends on the developer |
| 22:16.41 | streuner | Rockret: cat /proc/version |
| 22:16.47 | Rockret | thanks |
| 22:16.50 | abrotman | Rockret: you want to know which your kernel was compiled with ? |
| 22:16.52 | LightVision | uname -a |
| 22:16.54 | Rockret | yes |
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| 22:16.59 | LightVision | Robot101: uname -a |
| 22:17.07 | MegaByte | LightVision, In my case it's because I believe so many changes were done that it deserves a new release |
| 22:17.07 | abrotman | LightVision: no |
| 22:17.08 | Rockret | let me try |
| 22:17.15 | abrotman | Rockret: cat /proc/version |
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| 22:17.17 | LightVision | MegaByte: ok |
| 22:17.18 | djp | i have read all the help files with regards installing alsa sound support under debian. i would like to clear up once and for all, whether it is actually necessary though, to run alsaconf? or will just installing alsa-base surfice? |
| 22:17.36 | MegaByte | LightVision, have you got a hardware synthetizer? |
| 22:17.36 | abrotman | djp: i always have |
| 22:17.45 | LightVision | surfice should be suffice |
| 22:17.49 | LightVision | MegaByte: no |
| 22:18.11 | LightVision | MegaByte: im going to look at website you gave me, kist waiting for download to complete |
| 22:18.11 | MegaByte | LightVision, haven't you got a live! card? |
| 22:18.13 | Rockret | it is "gcc version 4.0.2 20050821 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-6))" |
| 22:18.17 | MegaByte | Soundblaster live |
| 22:18.21 | LightVision | MegaByte: im only using modem |
| 22:18.22 | abrotman | Rockret: yep .. gcc4 |
| 22:18.27 | MegaByte | huh... |
| 22:18.30 | LightVision | MegaByte: whats a live card? |
| 22:18.31 | streuner | djp: if you have an 2.6.x kernel installed, yes. |
| 22:18.35 | LightVision | no |
| 22:18.43 | MegaByte | LightVision, "Sound Blaster Live!" |
| 22:18.47 | djp | LightVison, thanks :) |
| 22:18.48 | MegaByte | that's the name of the sound card |
| 22:18.52 | LightVision | MegaByte: no |
| 22:18.57 | abrotman | this isn't even debian-related |
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| 22:19.01 | abrotman | not even close |
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| 22:19.07 | LightVision | MegaByte: i only have some cheap sound card |
| 22:19.21 | MegaByte | LightVision, it might work but I don't guarantee it |
| 22:19.26 | cwong | i am getting "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." what do i do? i am in a chroot env. |
| 22:19.30 | LightVision | MegaByte: ok |
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| 22:19.50 | Maulkin | cwong: What are you trying to do? When is this happening? |
| 22:20.02 | abrotman | cwong: reinstall grub ? |
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| 22:20.22 | cwong | Maulkin: we trying to install grub to /dev/hdd1, since hda is windows and we want to leave that alone |
| 22:20.31 | cwong | abrotman: in a chroot env? |
| 22:20.52 | abrotman | cwong: you can use grub to boot windows |
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| 22:21.15 | Rockret | I am try to compile kernel 2.6.12 but getting this message when I use command make menuconfig : "You must install ncurses-devel in order to use 'make menuconfig" |
| 22:21.17 | cwong | abrotman: we dont want to. we want to boot windows only when we enable in BIOS |
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| 22:21.36 | Rockret | how to install that : |
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| 22:21.48 | LightVision | Question & Challenge everything you believe, hear and read for accuracy and truth! |
| 22:21.49 | abrotman | libncurses5-dev Rockret |
| 22:21.50 | streuner | Rockret: read the URL that comes with /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:22.02 | Rockret | thanks abrotman |
| 22:22.14 | LightVision | Robot101: why dont simply use apt-get? |
| 22:22.16 | streuner | Rockret: but, why do you thing you need to install another kernel? |
| 22:22.18 | abrotman | cwong: ah .. ok .. i think .. but if you disable the drive .. it's not hdd anymore i sit ? |
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| 22:22.33 | drac | Rockret: And why are you compiling old kernel? |
| 22:22.34 | LightVision | Robot101: and is your currect kernel broken? |
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| 22:22.45 | cwong | abrotman: we are not disabling the drive. just telling BIOS boot from hdd instead of hda |
| 22:22.48 | LightVision | Robot101: dont fix anything that is nor broken |
| 22:22.48 | streuner | !custom kernel |
| 22:22.49 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 22:22.49 | Rockret | soundboard and interruption modes |
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| 22:23.01 | Rockret | I want compile because need install my nvidia drivers |
| 22:23.02 | Diegote | Hi... I'm having problems with my IDE cdrom drive: ide-scsi is loaded by the initrd image but I want it to use ide-cd instead... I'm using the latest 2.6.12-k7 kernel in etch. |
| 22:23.17 | LightVision | Robot101: what is your current kernel? |
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| 22:23.21 | drac | !tell Rockret about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:23.22 | robin_sz | abrotman: isnt this where disk labels rather than logical devices come in handy? |
| 22:23.34 | LightVision | Diegote: does all that work under Sarge ? |
| 22:23.36 | cwong | abrotman: basically we want to install grub to secondary drive. |
| 22:23.45 | abrotman | robin_sz: no idea .. i've never tried to do such a thing :) |
| 22:23.53 | abrotman | cwong: grub-install /dev/hdd ? |
| 22:24.02 | cwong | abrotman: thats where the error was from. |
| 22:24.14 | Diegote | LightVision: Yes, I know the dcrom drive does work... it should be /dev/hda |
| 22:24.24 | LightVision | can you network 2 PC's using only USB ports? Or do you need NIC? |
| 22:24.26 | robin_sz | abrotman: of course, the root cause of the problem is him wanting to keep windows ... ;) |
| 22:24.35 | LightVision | Diegote: so it all works under Sarge? |
| 22:24.43 | abrotman | robin_sz: no .. just wanting to only boot windows with the windows bootloader :) |
| 22:24.53 | streuner | LightVision: you always need a NIC |
| 22:24.57 | abrotman | cwong: and it can't find stage one ? |
| 22:25.04 | LightVision | streuner: ok wasnt sure |
| 22:25.05 | abrotman | streuner: firewire networking |
| 22:25.07 | cwong | abrotman: no. but the file is there. |
| 22:25.07 | Rockret | drac, I tried use that, but he notice that different version kernel-image 3.3.6 and gcc that I have version 3.3.5 |
| 22:25.14 | abrotman | streuner: serial nullmodem |
| 22:25.20 | streuner | abrotman: sure... |
| 22:25.21 | Diegote | LightVision: I don't nlow if it works under Sarge because I run etch... but I know it did work some weeks ago... |
| 22:25.24 | LightVision | streuner: I was hoping there is a new way to network through USB |
| 22:25.30 | greycat | Rockret: then use a DEBIAN kernel. |
| 22:25.38 | LightVision | Diegote: what has changed since then? |
| 22:25.39 | Rockret | talking about gcc version problem |
| 22:25.55 | myren | how do i get italics on this term? i want /italicized/ to work.... |
| 22:26.03 | LightVision | Diegote: what has changed since it all was working? |
| 22:26.11 | Diegote | LightVision: Upgraded from 2.6.11 to 2.6.12... If I boot 2.6.11 without udev, it works fine |
| 22:26.11 | Rockret | I think that they changed kernel-image, use other version gcc .. |
| 22:26.19 | streuner | Rockret: you still don't answer our question, why do you think you need this kernel? |
| 22:26.43 | Diegote | LightVision: If I unload ide-scsi it also works fine under 2.6.12 |
| 22:26.44 | robin_sz | abrotman: apart from hangin out on here and bringing debian based enlightenment to the world ... how the hell do you find time for real work? |
| 22:26.48 | streuner | s/don't/didn't/ |
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| 22:26.53 | Rockret | because 2.6.11 getting problems interruption modes and problems with my soundboard |
| 22:26.57 | abrotman | robin_sz: i have a job .. :) |
| 22:27.01 | Rockret | with 2.6.12 everything works well |
| 22:27.01 | LightVision | Diegote: so why do you want to change or upgrade something that already works? the motto is "if it aint broken, dont fix it" |
| 22:27.01 | PumpkinPie | anyone need the best price on a cabinet in LA |
| 22:27.05 | Diegote | LightVision: The problem is that ide-scsi is beeing loaded automatically by initrd |
| 22:27.10 | Rockret | but no nvidia drivers |
| 22:27.12 | abrotman | robin_sz: i haven't been on much this weekend .. my bro is visiting .. but he's at a wedding |
| 22:27.15 | robin_sz | abrotman: have they noticed you spend 8 hours a dya on IRC yet? |
| 22:27.17 | Rockret | understand ? |
| 22:27.25 | streuner | Rockret: read /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:27.28 | greycat | Rockret: I understand now. *plonk* |
| 22:27.30 | abrotman | robin_sz: i really don't |
| 22:27.33 | cbr | Firefox 1.5 Beta1 is nice! |
| 22:27.34 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:27.41 | LightVision | Diegote: try to ask dondelelcaro |
| 22:27.44 | abrotman | robin_sz: i'm on .. but not active |
| 22:27.50 | greycat | I understand that there are some people who just aren't ready to be helped. |
| 22:27.56 | LightVision | cbc: is that available for sarge? |
| 22:28.00 | Diegote | dondelelcaro: You there? :) |
| 22:28.17 | LightVision | cbc: I thought latest firefox was 1.0.6 |
| 22:28.19 | abrotman | Diegote: check your bootloader config ... |
| 22:28.23 | robin_sz | abrotman: sure ... just wait till you get a new cube where the boss can see your screen ;) |
| 22:28.34 | abrotman | robin_sz: they can already :) |
| 22:28.34 | streuner | Rockret: nvidia isn't a kernel isssue |
| 22:28.35 | LightVision | Diegote: dondelelcaro will know |
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| 22:28.39 | streuner | Rockret: nvidia isn't a kernel issue |
| 22:28.53 | Diegote | abrotman: grub's config is fine... I even added hda=ide-cd, but it didn't work |
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| 22:28.55 | LightVision | Diegote: dondelelcaro is a debian developer |
| 22:28.56 | streuner | Rockret: you can use nvidia with every kernel |
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| 22:29.11 | Diegote | LightVision: Ok, thanks! |
| 22:29.11 | abrotman | Diegote: you most likely want that removed for a 2.6.x kernel |
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| 22:29.12 | Rockret | wait .. streuner |
| 22:29.15 | LightVision | cbc: I thought latest firefox was 1.0.6, is that not correct? |
| 22:29.21 | LightVision | Diegote: all the best |
| 22:29.27 | Coweater | LightVision: it's a beta |
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| 22:29.32 | Diegote | abrotman: Ok... I'll remove it |
| 22:29.36 | LightVision | Diegote: hope you get it working |
| 22:29.39 | abrotman | Diegote: you want the drive to be /dev/hda .. right ? |
| 22:29.42 | LightVision | Coweater: ah ok |
| 22:29.45 | Diegote | LightVision: Thanks a lot |
| 22:29.53 | Diegote | abrotman: Yes |
| 22:29.58 | LightVision | Diegote: :) |
| 22:30.00 | Rockret | the error message came whern this command: debian/rules binary_modules |
| 22:30.22 | Rockret | about problem gcc version |
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| 22:30.26 | abrotman | Diegote: try removing that appended thing for your boot loader .. see what happens naturally |
| 22:30.43 | abrotman | Diegote: how is it coming up now ? |
| 22:30.58 | abrotman | Diegote: /dev/sda ? |
| 22:31.06 | streuner | Rockret: might be that there are some kernel-package issues.... |
| 22:31.20 | Diegote | abrotman: I appended that myself to see if it worked, but it didn't, so I'll remove it |
| 22:31.33 | Diegote | abrotman: Now it is /dev/scd0, but it does not work |
| 22:31.36 | fdfd | caca |
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| 22:31.42 | abrotman | fdfd: don't say that |
| 22:31.48 | Rockret | streuner, can you join #flood channel ? |
| 22:31.55 | Rockret | i want show commands that I made |
| 22:32.07 | abrotman | Diegote: it used to be for 2.4 kernels that you need the appending info .. but now they should work without it |
| 22:32.32 | Rockret | streuner, what do you think ? |
| 22:33.00 | abrotman | Diegote: it's not a SATA CDRW is it ? |
| 22:33.03 | streuner | well, i see no errors |
| 22:33.14 | Rockret | the strange .. is month ago .. worked ... now getting this error message .. after new install debian |
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| 22:33.48 | Diegote | abrotman: No, it's a IDE DVDROM/CDRW... I know it works with ide-cd |
| 22:33.48 | Rockret | let me execute .. one min |
| 22:33.49 | Rockret | these are only commands |
| 22:33.54 | Rockret | one min please |
| 22:33.56 | abrotman | Diegote: ah ok |
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| 22:35.57 | Diegote | abrotman: I would like to know why ide-scsi is added to the initrd image... but i've no idea... |
| 22:36.21 | abrotman | Diegote: as long as it's not being loaded |
| 22:36.23 | fdfd | abrotman: I booted from a live CD... and mounted /hdd1 |
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| 22:36.37 | fdfd | abrotman: when I try to install lilo I get... |
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| 22:36.51 | Diegote | abrotman: The problem is that it _is_ being loaded... |
| 22:36.55 | fdfd | abrotman: /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found |
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| 22:37.21 | fdfd | Is device-mapper driver missing from kernel? |
| 22:37.22 | Rockret | please streuner, check #flood |
| 22:37.23 | Rockret | errors there |
| 22:37.25 | abrotman | Diegote: you should be able to blacklist it |
| 22:37.34 | abrotman | fdfd: probabl ynot |
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| 22:38.27 | Rockret | streuner, that is my problem |
| 22:38.27 | Diegote | abrotman: It is blacklisted in hotplug, but it is being loaded before hotplug runs... |
| 22:38.28 | Rockret | :) |
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| 22:39.39 | Rockret | streuner, any guidelines ? |
| 22:39.45 | abrotman | Diegote: discover? |
| 22:39.45 | LightVision | does it make a huge difference installing Debian with seifers? |
| 22:39.54 | WeLsHWiZaRd | anybody have the new 3.1 install |
| 22:39.55 | streuner | Rockret: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:40.00 | LightVision | does it make a huge difference installing Debian with seifers instead of ext3? |
| 22:40.01 | WeLsHWiZaRd | freeze when detectin 3.1 |
| 22:40.03 | WeLsHWiZaRd | *dhcp |
| 22:40.06 | Diegote | abrotman: discover is not installed |
| 22:40.10 | Rockret | let me see |
| 22:40.51 | Rockret | is there #flood |
| 22:41.02 | me_here | i get always buffer io error, drive ready seek complete error on my dvd drive, that could be indicative of what ? any help ? |
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| 22:41.23 | streuner | Rockret: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:41.24 | abrotman | Diegote: it's installed by default .. did you remove it ? |
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| 22:41.50 | Diegote | abrotman: It is? ... I might have removed it ages ago :P |
| 22:41.54 | streuner | Rockret: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 22:42.27 | jair_11 | I am having a little situation: I have my apache server configure as root directory: /var/www/user_name/ instead the default = var/www/, and I have running good mysql-server and client which i can access using the terminal, also i install php4 and php4-mysql everything looks good but I can not access to the www.pcguruji.com ehich is the domain name and /phpmyadmin :( anyone can help me on this? |
| 22:42.30 | me_here | and something like failed opcode was: unknown |
| 22:43.10 | Rockret | streuner, Well I will re-install debian |
| 22:43.16 | Rockret | sarge 3.1 |
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| 22:43.49 | Rockret | streuner, you have reason |
| 22:43.55 | Rockret | i am making big mess here .. lol |
| 22:44.01 | woodland1 | hi, i was using internet on my debian sarge and suddenly i got disconnected. |
| 22:44.20 | me_here | is discover an alternative to udev ? |
| 22:44.46 | streuner | Rockret: :-) |
| 22:45.00 | Rockret | lets go install ! |
| 22:45.03 | streuner | me_here: heh, no |
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| 22:46.34 | LightVision | whats the difference between Seifers and ext3? |
| 22:46.54 | streuner | me_here: discover is the hardware detection app of debian, udev is a mess to get real headaches |
| 22:47.00 | woodland1 | i got disconnected on my debian machine. what shuld i do |
| 22:47.03 | rutski89 | LightVision: Do you mean Reiser? |
| 22:47.04 | abrotman | wtf is seifers? |
| 22:47.20 | rutski89 | LightVision: well, if you do, there are many differences, yes, the are both journaling |
| 22:47.30 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 22:47.30 | dpkg | i heard filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 22:47.33 | LightVision | sorry I meant Reiser |
| 22:47.40 | va | jair_11: can you access your site by typing the ip address of your sever into a webbrowser |
| 22:47.48 | rutski89 | LightVision: Reiserfs is good at being atomic with its operations, and many claim that it is much faster, especailly with small files |
| 22:47.49 | LightVision | rutski89: whats journaling mean? |
| 22:47.59 | LightVision | rutski89: ok ty |
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| 22:48.00 | va | jair_11: s/sever/server/ |
| 22:48.11 | jair_11 | va, |
| 22:48.11 | LightVision | !reiser |
| 22:48.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 22:48.15 | jair_11 | va, yes |
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| 22:48.25 | jlj_ | my mouse/x.org sometimes thinks that a single click is a double one which can have some..interesting effects. can anything be done to prevent this? |
| 22:48.30 | jair_11 | please check this va http://pcguruji.com/ |
| 22:48.42 | LightVision | hmmm i think i will stick with ext3 after reading the bots comments :) |
| 22:48.42 | rutski89 | LightVision: I'm a little rusty on this stuff, but it basically means that a log is kept on filesystem operations, when you boot, it checks the log against your FS, and if someting is wonky, it means there is corrupt data |
| 22:48.54 | jair_11 | va, 67.95.75.83 |
| 22:48.58 | rutski89 | !debian |
| 22:48.58 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 22:49.00 | jair_11 | va, both work good |
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| 22:49.06 | rutski89 | cool, i never knew about this whole "!" thing |
| 22:49.08 | rutski89 | yea, they are both good |
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| 22:49.15 | jair_11 | va, and in apache I have everything good so far |
| 22:49.19 | LightVision | rutski89: ok |
| 22:49.21 | jair_11 | I can enter in mysql also |
| 22:49.25 | jair_11 | va, ? |
| 22:49.31 | twobitsprite | which package provides "xv"? |
| 22:49.39 | twobitsprite | ...is sarge... |
| 22:49.45 | twobitsprite | s/is/in |
| 22:49.52 | streuner | twobitsprite: xv isn't in debian |
| 22:49.59 | twobitsprite | streuner: no...? |
| 22:50.14 | streuner | !sv |
| 22:50.14 | dpkg | somebody said sv was a Perl "scalar value" in C <-> Perl glue code - also SV. It is not subversion. |
| 22:50.20 | streuner | !xv |
| 22:50.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html or http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xv%24 - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 22:50.51 | jair_11 | va, I think i know what is the situation here |
| 22:50.54 | jair_11 | va, |
| 22:50.59 | LightVision | MegaByte: you here? |
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| 22:51.15 | twobitsprite | streuner: so why isn't it in the nonfree parts of debian? |
| 22:51.21 | LightVision | !ext3 |
| 22:51.21 | dpkg | i guess ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
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| 22:51.37 | twobitsprite | !ricerfs |
| 22:51.37 | dpkg | ricerfs is, like, the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 22:51.59 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 22:52.04 | LightVision | seems like its best and safest to stick with ext3 :) |
| 22:52.07 | LightVision | twobitsprite: lol |
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| 22:52.19 | va | jair_11: sorry, i've never used phpmyadmin and your problem is probably with it |
| 22:52.45 | jair_11 | va, no I think is a problem of simple linking |
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| 22:53.23 | va | jair_11: i'm trying to install it now but my aptitude is stuck with uninstalable packages so it will probably fail |
| 22:53.26 | fdfd | Anyone know if the net install cd has the debian rescue command? |
| 22:53.37 | jair_11 | hmmm |
| 22:53.54 | ke6isf | fdfd: Hit F1 and wade around in the menus. I think there is one some where. |
| 22:53.56 | jair_11 | i will ahve to figure this out myself |
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| 22:54.28 | fdfd | ke6isf: Are you talking about the net install cd? |
| 22:54.33 | ke6isf | fdfd: Yes. |
| 22:54.40 | greycat | there's no "rescue" in the sarge CDs. |
| 22:54.40 | dvs | Hey! ravenbird can't quit! |
| 22:54.52 | greycat | just hit Alt-F2 ASAP and get a shell, mount what needs mounting, chroot into it. |
| 22:55.05 | fdfd | greycat: then how do I rescue? |
| 22:55.06 | ke6isf | fdfd: Follow greycat's instructions. |
| 22:55.18 | ke6isf | !greycat++ |
| 22:55.50 | fdfd | greycat: doesnt work... do you know what cd I can download that has actual rescue command? |
| 22:55.53 | deadcat | i am trying to fix grub, heres what i have, hda is windows, hdd has linux, i just booted up a live cd, chroot /mhd/hdd1 /bin/bash, what should i do to install grub to /dev/hdd1? i dont want to touch hda(windows) |
| 22:56.11 | jair_11 | I found the problem |
| 22:56.18 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 22:56.18 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:56.21 | dvs | fdfd: There is no "rescue" command. You have to mount your drive and fix the problem manually |
| 22:56.41 | ke6isf | fdfd: What precisely is the problem you're trying to fix? |
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| 22:56.48 | jair_11 | greycat, I have this on the /var/www/ of my apache server to try run phpmyadmin : phpmyadmin -> /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 22:57.03 | deadcat | ke6isf: you know the one from woody? rescue = blah? |
| 22:57.10 | jair_11 | greycat, how could i change the link to: phpmyadmin -> /usr/share/other_directory/phpmyadmin |
| 22:57.16 | ke6isf | deadcat: I never ran woody for longer than a few minutes. |
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| 22:57.34 | jair_11 | greycat, where the other directory is the root directory of the apache server |
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| 22:57.38 | fdfd | !seen Guerin |
| 22:57.38 | dpkg | guerin is currently on #debian (3d 8h 30m 30s). Has said a total of 116791 messages. Is idling for 20h 32m 40s |
| 22:57.42 | ke6isf | deadcat: Even then, I had a big problem with X anyway - couldn't talk to my crappy S3 video card no matter how I tried. |
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| 22:57.49 | jair_11 | greycat, instead the default /var/www/ |
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| 22:58.36 | vel | how do i extract tar.bz2 file? |
| 22:58.42 | dvs | vel: tar -xjvf |
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| 22:59.21 | deadcat | greycat: ok. i just booted up debian netinstall, i am at F1, how do i get to a shell and mount /dev/hdd1? |
| 22:59.26 | cheal | !tell vel about tar |
| 22:59.46 | vel | thank you |
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| 23:00.11 | jair_11 | Guerin, can you help me with this little issue? I want to change the link of the default phpmyadmin: phpmyadmin -> /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 23:00.11 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:00.21 | AP03 | does anyone know how i can get my control+f4 back to close tabs in firefox? |
| 23:00.31 | greycat | deadcat: BOOT the kernel. WAIT until you can interact. Hit Alt-f2. |
| 23:00.37 | deadcat | k |
| 23:00.37 | va | jair_11: i think you need to create the link in your current root dir, not in /var/www |
| 23:00.46 | jair_11 | but the link directory is on the /var/www/ default directory |
| 23:00.50 | AP03 | does anyone know how i can get my control+f4 back to close tabs in firefox? im using kde and the gtk-qt tool to fix all the gtk fonts |
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| 23:01.10 | jair_11 | va, I think i have to do a link tha thing is not sure where |
| 23:01.16 | deadcat | greycat: ls -l /dev/hd*, no such files or dir |
| 23:01.23 | jair_11 | right |
| 23:01.26 | jair_11 | va, right |
| 23:01.32 | jair_11 | va, how could i do that? |
| 23:01.37 | va | jair_11: its done with ln -s /path/to/phpmyadmin/ /your/root/dir/phpmyadmin |
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| 23:01.52 | m4csim | hi |
| 23:01.56 | jair_11 | va nice let me try that |
| 23:02.02 | jair_11 | va, I will try that |
| 23:02.08 | greycat | deadcat: Because the Debian developers are taking large doses of hallucinogenic drugs, they used devfs in the sarge CDs. |
| 23:02.18 | greycat | deadcat: therefore you must use devfs names for the disks. |
| 23:02.19 | deadcat | oh. what do i do? |
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| 23:02.31 | jair_11 | va, the is right now like this: phpmyadmin -> /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 23:02.33 | alpha-C | hi, :) |
| 23:02.35 | julien | ok LightVision / abrotman, thanks (and yes it's in sid) |
| 23:02.35 | me_here | it seems my bios settings for the drive are false |
| 23:02.40 | alpha-C | i dont suppose someone could help me out a bit? |
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| 23:02.43 | jair_11 | where phpmyadmin is on /var/www/ |
| 23:02.46 | greycat | even though devfs is DEAD, its rotting flesh lingers within d-i. |
| 23:02.51 | m4csim | I've got a message "ERROR: suffix or operande invalid for "mov" " when I try to compile a debian package kernel, any idea ? |
| 23:03.02 | jair_11 | va, where phpmyadmin is on /var/www/ |
| 23:03.07 | me_here | i have to restart |
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| 23:03.14 | alpha-C | I downloaded this patch, to patch some glibc thing cuz it was messing up vlc.. but i have no idea how to patch it.. can someone tell me how to use the patch? |
| 23:03.19 | deadcat | greycat: i really dont know what to do... |
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| 23:03.33 | greycat | deadcat: find out what the devfs name is for your disk. it's about 30 or 40 bytes long. good fucking luck. |
| 23:03.38 | LightVision | julien: np :) all the best wishes |
| 23:04.01 | deadcat | greycat: damn. doesnt sarge have the linux rescue root=blahe thing? |
| 23:04.26 | greycat | NO! |
| 23:04.29 | greycat | I ALREADY SAID SO! |
| 23:04.37 | deadcat | damn |
| 23:04.39 | greycat | just use tab completion until you find it. |
| 23:04.43 | LightVision | is there a way I can backup dvd's to my hard drive? |
| 23:04.45 | alpha-C | anyone? |
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| 23:05.00 | LightVision | greycat: want a cool drink? :) |
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| 23:05.23 | LightVision | the greycat and deadcat are having a catfight :) |
| 23:05.35 | jethro | :) |
| 23:05.46 | deadcat | greycat: how would i install grub to /dev/hdd1 if i use a live cd? |
| 23:05.53 | LightVision | it seems the greycat killed the deadcat |
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| 23:06.16 | greycat | deadcat: you could have just fucking FOUND it by now if you'd been trying. |
| 23:06.34 | deadcat | greycat: in /dev/ right? theres no much there |
| 23:06.42 | alpha-C | common :(... please?? 600 ppl in here and not one knows how to use .patch files? |
| 23:06.44 | greycat | then that should make it easy! |
| 23:07.04 | greycat | alpha-C: NOBODY HERE knows how to build libc6 debs from scratch. There. HAPPY? |
| 23:07.05 | jethro | alpha-C: man patch |
| 23:07.12 | jair_11 | va, here is what I have in the /var/www/ mail mainwebsite_cgi mainwebsite_html phpmyadmin resume_page tutoring_prog.htm |
| 23:07.24 | alpha-C | no one said anything about building libc... |
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| 23:07.30 | kamaraju | alpha-C: 600 people does not mean that they are sitting infront of their irc clients all the time. |
| 23:07.30 | alpha-C | i just wanna use a patch greycat |
| 23:07.31 | deadcat | greycat: give me an example |
| 23:07.35 | greycat | oh, then you ARE stupid. *plonk* |
| 23:07.37 | woodland1 | hi, i just upgraded to kernel 2.6.8. and i have strange problem, when i log in i can connect to wired net but as soon as turn on Ksirc, i get disconnected, |
| 23:07.42 | dvs | there it goes |
| 23:07.48 | jair_11 | va, if you can notice the phpmyadmin is the link file to the /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 23:08.09 | jair_11 | va, so I have to do the link from this location and delete this link right? |
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| 23:08.46 | woodland1 | can somebody help here |
| 23:09.31 | va | jair_11: if /var/www is not your root dir, i suppose the phpmyadmin link in there doesn't matter |
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| 23:09.58 | jair_11 | ohh so I have to make the link on the root directory :) |
| 23:10.04 | jair_11 | va, ohh so I have to make the link on the root directory :) |
| 23:10.08 | jair_11 | va, got it |
| 23:10.13 | va | jair_11: yes, just like i told you :-) |
| 23:10.29 | jair_11 | va, because now it thinks that the root is /var/www/ |
| 23:10.33 | jair_11 | va, cool |
| 23:10.35 | bomb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.41 | bomb | jesus |
| 23:10.47 | bomb | wtf is wrong with my screen |
| 23:11.02 | bomb | [0m[34mú[1m[30mí[0m[34mú[0m |
| 23:11.09 | greycat | it leads to a devfs FAQ. |
| 23:11.12 | dvs | ohhh ANSI |
| 23:11.14 | abrotman | greycat: feel lucky! |
| 23:11.17 | greycat | the FAQ says: /dev/hda1/dev/ide/hd/c0b0t0u0 |
| 23:11.25 | amphi | heh |
| 23:11.26 | va | jair_11: just installed it and it works |
| 23:11.28 | streuner | bah |
| 23:11.29 | greycat | I don't think that's necessarily RIGHT, but it's what you get. |
| 23:11.39 | woodland1 | hi, i just upgraded to kernel 2.6.8. and i have strange problem, when i log in i can connect to wired net but as soon as turn on Ksirc, i get disconnected, |
| 23:11.47 | jair_11 | va, I will think that it will :) |
| 23:11.54 | streuner | What about to chroot that bitch? |
| 23:12.11 | greycat | the FAQ says: /dev/hda /dev/ide/hd/c0b0t0u0 |
| 23:12.27 | greycat | maybe there's more than one devfs mapping set. because that doesn't look like what I remember. |
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| 23:12.45 | jair_11 | va, I will check now |
| 23:12.50 | bomb | was i ever in here just now? |
| 23:12.57 | greycat | yes |
| 23:12.59 | bomb | i couldn't see shit |
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| 23:13.05 | bomb | i reconnected to a black screen |
| 23:13.05 | streuner | well, i used knoppix live, mount it, chroot it, and run lilo -v |
| 23:13.07 | va | jair_11: yup, it works for you too |
| 23:13.16 | fdfd | bomb: now we cant see you.. |
| 23:13.17 | jair_11 | did you check it? |
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| 23:13.19 | bomb | that's the second time that has happened |
| 23:13.24 | streuner | that fixed my MBR always |
| 23:13.25 | deadcat | streuner: we having a bunch of errors |
| 23:13.31 | va | jair_11: yes http://www.pcguruji.com/phpmyadmin/ |
| 23:13.36 | bomb | anyways i am pissed on lager |
| 23:13.42 | jair_11 | va, nice ;) |
| 23:13.49 | deadcat | streuner: we want mbr to be installed to /dev/hdd1 or /dev/hdd instead of hda |
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| 23:14.10 | jair_11 | va, nice man thank you very much, that was the trick |
| 23:14.13 | streuner | deadcat: well, that a config thing of bootloader then.... |
| 23:14.20 | jair_11 | va, what is your linux background? |
| 23:14.21 | streuner | for lilo at least |
| 23:14.22 | va | jair_11: but i probably could login now with the default password if i new it. so you better change that fast |
| 23:14.33 | va | jair_11: s/new/knew |
| 23:14.44 | jair_11 | va, it is not a password default I think |
| 23:14.53 | jair_11 | I change the password of the root |
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| 23:15.07 | jair_11 | va, before install php |
| 23:15.15 | va | jair_11: no i think there's a phpmyadmin password |
| 23:15.28 | jair_11 | va, |
| 23:15.33 | jair_11 | va, really try? |
| 23:15.41 | deepan | will kftpgrabber run in a system where kde is not installed.. ? |
| 23:15.43 | jair_11 | please can you tell me which one? |
| 23:15.48 | jair_11 | va, which one? |
| 23:16.22 | myren | hwo do i keep network solutions "Under Construction" pages from showing up for unknown domains? |
| 23:16.31 | myren | do i just have to filter all traffic from network solutions? |
| 23:16.35 | myren | @#$@!#$%@$%@$%@#$#@%@#$%@# |
| 23:16.38 | woodland1 | i have problem with net connection |
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| 23:16.58 | jair_11 | va, I think I know the root and blank |
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| 23:17.06 | jair_11 | va, could I pm you? |
| 23:17.17 | va | jair_11: you just remove the link for now until you or i find out how to change the psw |
| 23:17.21 | woodland1 | anybody can help me with this problem |
| 23:17.29 | jair_11 | va, ok |
| 23:17.42 | jair_11 | va, can I send you a pm message |
| 23:17.47 | cheal | deepan: what's kftpgrabber? |
| 23:17.56 | deepan | ftp client |
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| 23:18.46 | cheal | !tell woodland1 about anyone |
| 23:19.10 | cheal | deepan: that doesn't say much. which package is it in? |
| 23:20.19 | drewc | some of my applications have no text in the menus or buttons... what could cause this behaviour? |
| 23:20.47 | deadcat | greycat: found it.. should i mount /proc then chroot or chroot? |
| 23:21.01 | woodland1 | !tell |
| 23:21.21 | greycat | !listvals chroot |
| 23:21.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'chroot' by value (15 of 18): america's army ;; chroot ;; chroot howto ;; chroot install ;; chroot ssh ;; chrooted base ;; debootstrap ;; fixmbr ;; init426 ;; knoppix debootstrap ;; knoppix lilo fix ;; oftpd ;; postfix chroots ;; remote install ;; security by obscurity. |
| 23:21.29 | cheal | woodland1: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:21.30 | greycat | !fixmbr |
| 23:21.30 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
| 23:21.39 | woodland1 | hi, i just upgraded to kernel 2.6.8. and i have strange problem, when i log in i can connect to wired net but as soon as turn on Ksirc, i get disconnected, |
| 23:21.45 | greycat | that won't work on the d-i shell because of the devfs shit. |
| 23:21.47 | greycat | hmm. |
| 23:22.05 | streuner | knoppix works with lilo |
| 23:22.09 | cheal | woodland1: when you log in to what? |
| 23:22.28 | woodland1 | cheal, when i log in to my debian system |
| 23:22.37 | va | jair_11: hello? pm me |
| 23:22.47 | woodland1 | when i try to use Ksirc, i get disconnected |
| 23:22.48 | cheal | woodland1: how do you connect? which interfaces are involved? |
| 23:22.58 | cheal | woodland1: disconnected from what? |
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| 23:23.04 | woodland1 | its university network |
| 23:23.14 | woodland1 | disconnected from internet |
| 23:23.29 | woodland1 | ping doesnt work then |
| 23:23.33 | greycat | wait. |
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| 23:23.36 | cheal | how are you connected to the internet? are you using ksirc as root? |
| 23:23.42 | greycat | you are fine and working until you run an *irc client8? |
| 23:23.51 | spokeydokey | Hey, anybody in here play Flight Gear? |
| 23:23.51 | greycat | and then your *university* kicks you off? |
| 23:23.52 | woodland1 | ya |
| 23:24.04 | greycat | sounds like you are inside a draconian firewall with layer 7 filtering. |
| 23:24.12 | woodland1 | but when i was using kernel 2.4.27 i didnt have this problem |
| 23:24.17 | greycat | ssh out to a box on the outside, and tunnel your irc session through that. |
| 23:24.20 | cheal | !tell spokeydokey about anybody |
| 23:24.29 | cheal | hehehe |
| 23:24.31 | greycat | !worked in 2.4 |
| 23:24.31 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 23:24.43 | dvs | green_earz: Aren't you a millionaire yet? |
| 23:24.49 | dvs | greycat: : Aren't you a millionaire yet? |
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| 23:25.24 | woodland1 | so, if i reboot my system, i get connected again to net, unless i start ksirc |
| 23:25.29 | cheal | nah, greycat has to pay for cursing too ;) |
| 23:25.31 | drewc | more specifically: my GTK 1.2 applications appear to have no text in the menus or buttons. the interface is there, but devoid of text. |
| 23:25.34 | spokeydokey | Thanks for the sarcasm, cheal |
| 23:25.37 | spokeydokey | ;p |
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| 23:26.16 | woodland1 | so what could be problem |
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| 23:26.28 | greycat | use 2.4.27 |
| 23:26.43 | cheal | spokeydokey: my pleasure. however, it's not only sarcasm, it's also intended to tell you that nobody will want to answer you for making polls like that |
| 23:26.50 | jair_11 | va, I am here |
| 23:26.58 | cheal | anybody and nobody are like that |
| 23:26.58 | woodland1 | greycat, i want to use wireless internet, for which i have to use 2.6 kernel |
| 23:26.59 | jair_11 | va, answer :P |
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| 23:27.06 | cheal | when you talk to one, the other answers |
| 23:27.24 | baroni | Hi all. Does anybody knows about some event comming soon (or happening now) available by streaming live in the web? |
| 23:27.28 | spokeydokey | okay, shall I rephrase? I'm wondering if, on Flight Gear, it takes a rather long time to load the scenery. |
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| 23:28.35 | ke6isf | baroni: What kind of event? |
| 23:28.51 | cheal | spokeydokey: that's a better question |
| 23:28.56 | Eno_ | is there any reason someone connecting to my sshd remotely keeps getting disconnected after being idle for a long time? yet i'm connected locally to it and never get disconnected |
| 23:29.07 | spokeydokey | cool |
| 23:29.09 | baroni | ke6isf: free-software related |
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| 23:29.35 | reilly | i'm searching for a good ftp client with AUTH/TLS |
| 23:30.17 | ke6isf | baroni: Nothing on slashdot. Why? |
| 23:30.56 | deepan | cheal: i have no idea of what package it is in ... i installed it from a tarball |
| 23:31.31 | baroni | ke6isf: i'm thinking about to streaming in the web some courses in my university live in the web |
| 23:31.48 | cheal | deepan: arg. does your question have something to do with debian, other than you'd install it on debian? |
| 23:31.53 | baroni | ke6isf: i would like to take a look a some ones before.. Thanks |
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| 23:33.27 | LightVision | ke6isf: hello, good to see you again. |
| 23:33.32 | ke6isf | Heya LightVision |
| 23:33.47 | LightVision | ke6isf: :) |
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| 23:37.57 | streuner | netgod: :-) |
| 23:38.10 | streuner | netgod: hi |
| 23:38.31 | netgod | re |
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| 23:40.31 | twobitsprite | so, what's a good bmp viewer for debian? |
| 23:40.32 | hackeron | is 1TG excessive for a single partition? What would you say is an acceptible compromise for storage vs performance? |
| 23:40.41 | streuner | twobitsprite: gqview |
| 23:40.41 | greycat | a teragig? |
| 23:40.44 | dvs | BMP!?! |
| 23:40.59 | streuner | views almost everything |
| 23:41.03 | greycat | hackeron: make your partitions however big they must be to hold the data they must hold. |
| 23:41.07 | twobitsprite | streuner: awesome, thanks |
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| 23:41.08 | deadcat | karsten: you there? |
| 23:41.37 | streuner | !seen karsten |
| 23:41.38 | dpkg | karsten is currently on #debian (3d 9h 14m 37s). Has said a total of 24927 messages. Is idling for 1d 4h 35m 40s |
| 23:41.48 | deadcat | damn |
| 23:41.49 | felipe___ | hi i need to install java runtime ... ive tried with apt-get install jre and java but doesnt work.. someone the easy way ? |
| 23:41.59 | greycat | !java |
| 23:41.59 | dpkg | it has been said that java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 23:42.12 | felipe___ | some knoe the easy way ? |
| 23:42.15 | dvs | !tell felipe___ -about java-package |
| 23:42.28 | ke6isf | felipe___: What dpkg said. it *is* the easy way. |
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| 23:46.11 | Rhaymar | alguien me puede dar informacion de un canal en castellado de debian |
| 23:46.29 | ke6isf | !es |
| 23:46.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:48.17 | ricochet | Question: anyone know where I can get more info about RANDR (like how to get it and set it up) than dpkg knows? Does it work with xorg in sid & KDE yet? |
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| 23:49.14 | amphi | ricochet: the x docs? |
| 23:52.43 | greycat | I used xrandr once with xorg in sid after an opengl program blew up and left my screen the wrong resolution |
| 23:54.03 | LightVision | how can I add zip and unzip support for ARK? |
| 23:54.20 | cheal | usually an opengl program doing that means the end of my X session with my ?*(/ proprietary NVIDIA drivers |
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| 23:54.46 | cheal | LightVision: installing the zip package, I guess |
| 23:54.55 | ke6isf | LightVision: What is ARK? |
| 23:55.11 | cheal | he must mean ark |
| 23:55.26 | ke6isf | checking. |
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| 23:55.52 | ke6isf | hmm, security update. |
| 23:56.26 | ajitabhpandey | WHOIS pau4o |
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| 23:57.09 | ajitabhpandey | hello debianers |
| 23:57.39 | ajitabhpandey | a small query about debootstrap |
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| 23:58.19 | ke6isf | LightVision: Looks like you can just add support for (un)zip by installing the packages. |
| 23:58.39 | ajitabhpandey | I booted through live ubuntu CD connected to internet, created lvm2 ext3 filesystem |
| 23:59.01 | ajitabhpandey | mounted it under /mnt |
| 23:59.13 | streuner | ajitabhpandey: /msg dpkg debootstrap workaround |
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| 23:59.39 | Akrame | i want to download debian |
| 23:59.41 | ajitabhpandey | and then ran debootstrap sarge /mnt |
| 23:59.46 | Akrame | i have to download all the 14 CDs ? |
| 23:59.50 | dvs | !tell Akrame -about d-i |
| 23:59.59 | ke6isf | !tell Akrame -about netinst |