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00:00.15pa_rado_xdoes swap always have to be a separate partions
00:00.23abrotmanZedman: at all ?
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00:00.33lakcajZedman, you could try this: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/latest/smeg.deb
00:00.38abrotmannewbie_: what kind of scsi contorller?
00:00.46amphipa_rado_x: I'd suggest separate /home at least; you can use swap files I believe, but I never have
00:00.48lakcajZedman, I think it needs python-xdg which is available via apt
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00:01.04jimrobertbb: main problem is fat* doesn't have unix-style permissions... also you're assuming that because you're mounting the partition on a dir which has the permissions you want, the whole partition will inherit those permissions, and that's not true. you want to find out what the options to mount are for vfat partitions
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00:01.23Zedmanlakcaj: I am using sarge. And I think that packages aren't available.
00:01.40robertbbjim, you mean umask=000 ?
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00:01.50newbie_abrotman: called "Adaptec AIC-7899"
00:02.09abrotmannewbie_: should just be the aic7xxx driver .. see if lets you manually load drivers
00:02.11jimrobertbb: maybe, but aren't there user and group options?
00:02.19lakcajZedman, I'm using sarge, and python-xdg is available in stable/main.  The smeg deb I linked to is an ubuntu utility for editing gnome menus, but I don't see why it wouldn't work on a sarge machine.
00:02.26newbie_It gives me the option.. where should I look for the driver, google?
00:02.31jimumask is like a default setting
00:02.46aeronadixis there a linux package for java api documentation? I am usin  gcj
00:02.51Zedmanlakcaj: I will try it.
00:03.20lakcajZedman, here is a link to the smeg thread, which is where I got the link for the .deb.  It also has a link to the sourcecode if you want to compile yourself.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38183
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00:03.39jimaeronadix: probably it installs with java-package... but if you have the source and javadoc, you can also generate it yourself
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00:03.41green_earznewbie_: try starting the install with the " linux26"   option  to install the 2.6 kernel.  type the linux26  very begining of the install
00:04.32newbie_green_earz: I'll give it a try, thanks.
00:04.45green_earzits worth a try
00:04.47jimaeronadix: so... do you have the source of the java object classes?
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00:05.01aeronadixjim, I installed it using apt-get, but I can't find the docs, I found jre in /usr/local
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00:05.27jimaeronadix: you should look to see exactly what you have
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00:06.08aeronadixjim, Its been days, I can't find the api docs or what did you mean, the source of the java object classes? How do I find that?
00:06.10jimlike, which java class library, like that
00:06.11ajsantosHEy
00:06.17ajsantos??
00:06.57aeronadixjim, Like if I have a class, and I want to view the source of it to see which methods and variables are part of the class, how do I do that?
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00:07.08jimaeronadix: the source is mostly available from what I understand/remember... you just run javadoc on the root dir and it autogenerates all your docs
00:07.26aeronadixjim, on the root directory?
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00:07.33jimoh, you want a class browser as well as a doc browser
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00:07.36aeronadixjim, not from my home directory?
00:07.40jimthe root of the source tree
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00:07.42aeronadixjim, anything
00:08.00jimok, let's start with javadoc of what you have now
00:08.03newbie_green_earz: "Could not find kernal image: linux26"
00:08.11newbie_do I have an old version of debian?
00:08.11jim(we still have to determine what that is :)
00:08.22robertbbjim, resiak, thanks people... works perfectly now :-)
00:08.26aeronadixjim, I would be happy with java-doc
00:08.26jimnewbie_: maybe
00:08.27robertbbappreciated
00:08.37jimrobertbb: welcome
00:08.49ajsantosi have a problem like this [ i instaled sarge, in the end it stay in the console mode and i cant start the grafical way] the dvd came with linux-magazine
00:09.04green_earznewbie_: what are you installing from cd or net installer cd or ?
00:09.23jimajsantos: you can get the x stuff from the net or on the cd if it's there
00:09.23m2ajsantos: apt-get install gdm
00:09.37newbie_green_earz: CD (from a friend)
00:09.42ajsantosok
00:09.52jimaeronadix: do you know which java class library you are using?
00:09.52ajsantosany other sugestions?
00:09.54newbie_green_earz: I have the option to start with linux 2.4 kernal
00:10.26m2ajsantos: it also helps it you cat /etc/debian_version
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00:11.27aeronadixjim, no
00:11.36green_earznewbie_: the 2.4 is the default kernel. but you have the option of install the 2.6 kernel from the start by tpying   linux26.   the cd may be a bad cp error
00:11.52ajsantosThank guys!!!
00:12.06newbie_green_earz: going to dl sarge.. is that recommended?
00:12.06jimaeronadix: here, howbout this: do you have a helloworld program you could try to build? text-based to start with. also, a helloworld that is a java applet?
00:12.41aeronadixjim, I have compiled and run a helloworld app and also a basic frame app
00:12.56jimwhat class did the frame app use?
00:13.05aeronadixjim, swing
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00:13.11Zedmanlakcaj: Isn't there an easier way? gnome-menus is just available for unstbale/sid
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00:13.18ajsantosi hope to be back in here within one hour. with good news !!![[0]]
00:13.19jimok, so you do have some class library :)
00:13.19aeronadixjim, JFrame
00:13.33green_earznewbie_: download the net installer if you are dsl connection.  and if possible by bittorent.  so the finished download will be checked
00:13.37aeronadixjim, cool, how do I browse them
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00:13.49jimagain...
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00:14.02newbie_green_earz: do you have a link?
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00:14.14green_earzjust wait a mini
00:14.19jimtwo choices... one, is there must be a tarball or like that you can get
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00:14.33jimand it just has all the html files in it
00:14.37aeronadixjim, yeah, I was looking for that
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00:15.42green_earznewbie_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/  > debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso.torrent
00:15.48jimtwo, you can get the source code for these classes that are in swing and the core java stuff (JFrame, Graphics, Applet, etc) and run javadoc on that sourcecode...
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00:16.06jimit will generate at least a collection of browsable pages
00:16.14aeronadixjim, thats what I wanna do, option 2, how?
00:16.33newbie_perfect, thanks green_earz.. this may take a looooong time.
00:16.37jim(1) determine what class library your compiler is now using
00:16.46green_earznp and all the best
00:17.06jim(2) obtain the source for that/those class library/ies
00:17.14jim(3) unpack the source
00:17.20newbie_green_earz: you r0x0rs
00:17.24jim(4) run javadoc on the source
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00:18.09green_earznewbie_: ho bookmark the link for future reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html   > Debian Reference
00:18.23jimI think javadoc will produce many kinds of results, but the easiest is to have it generate straight html files
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00:18.37newbie_green_earz: done. thanks again.
00:19.07aeronadixjim, thx for your help
00:19.33eegorethis is the part I hate the most, getting printing to start
00:19.44green_earznp
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00:20.23lakcajHow would I make a .deb out of a python setup.py script?
00:20.27jimat one point, I was trying to debug my java programs, and this required me to get source code and alter it (each method altered to add logging of entry/exit to those methods) and rebuild the whole class library
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00:21.26jimaeronadix: so you're at step (1), determine what you have
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00:22.10pa_rado_xi need some help installing HTP370 RAID with newest Debian
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00:22.36pa_rado_xdebian sees 2 HDD instead of the RAID
00:22.47jimpa_rado_x: they will need details before they can start helping you
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00:23.29pa_rado_xlike what
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00:23.52pa_rado_xi will provide anything needed
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00:24.08jimnot totally sure as I don't do raid yet
00:24.29pa_rado_xwhen i installed win or Redhat on this machine, during install i put in a diskette with drivers
00:24.35pa_rado_xand it all went smoothly
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00:24.47jimbut they will want your kernel version to start with, plus a history of what you tried and what was the result
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00:24.59pa_rado_xi have the newest debian
00:25.04pa_rado_xdownloaded it yesterday
00:25.21jimcat /etc/debian_version
00:25.22pa_rado_xi tried just starting the installer and it shows two disks
00:25.38pa_rado_xi haven't finished the install
00:25.40jimprobably you have to configure the raid first
00:26.00pa_rado_xit is configured on the RAID board (its has its own boot utility)
00:26.15pa_rado_xfor debian it should be only one disk, not two
00:26.32jimyou say the card needs drivers?
00:26.33pa_rado_xdebian offers a software RAID
00:26.46pa_rado_xbut i think i already have hardware RAID
00:26.49kingsley_Why would eth1 stop working after upgrading the kernel from 2.6.8-1-k7 to 2.6.12-1-k7? Googling indicates that both are installed: 8139too and mii. However, lsmod reports that 8139too has no users.
00:26.54m2pa_rado_x: don't you have to configure it in the RAID controller first?
00:26.57jimwhat you have may or may not be true hardware raid; not sure tho.
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00:27.14m2pa_rado_x: I mean, if debian sees two disks, it's being presented two disks
00:27.18pa_rado_xHTP370 it used to be pretty standard few years bak
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00:27.46m2is this that i2o thing from Intel?
00:27.52pa_rado_xi went through the RAID BIOS utility and the raid is created
00:27.59pa_rado_xno, its a separate card
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00:28.05pa_rado_xfrom HighPoint
00:28.06eegorewell that went smoot for once
00:28.10eegoresmooth
00:28.25aeronadixjim, I found /usr/share/java/libgck.jar, you think that might be it?
00:28.37jimaeronadix: maybe
00:28.39eegoreafter you do it a few times, you get quick at it
00:28.55jimyou could try unjaring it; I think a jar is a pkzip
00:29.11pa_rado_xdoes anybody here run RAID?/
00:29.14CrocoJetanyone knows if good guidelines appy patch kolivas?
00:29.21CrocoJetapply
00:29.25aeronadixjim, yeah i will give it a try
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00:30.18jimif you see lots of dirs named for the sections, example, java/lang/*.java, you're on the right track
00:30.21green_earzpa_rado_x: here a link for a debian sarge software raid here it may ?? be of use >  http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/
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00:30.38pa_rado_xthanks dude
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00:31.44CrazyNormanI recently installed Kanotix on my system to play around with (pure debian based), installed the NVidia driver, and started playing around.  I installed BZFlag, works just fine.  3D acceleration is running just as fast as usual.  I then compile some of my 3D OpenGL Programs (which work fine on my other Debian installation), and they run extremely slowly.  Is it somehow compiling them without 3D acceleration.  Do I have the wr
00:31.44CrazyNormanong development headers?
00:32.03green_earzpa_rado_x; the result of the software raid is exellent, and again the installer and software raid setup exellent
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00:32.30pa_rado_xbut wouldn't it be slower than hardware
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00:32.45pa_rado_xso basically i should turn off the hardware RAID and run the software
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00:32.51m2HPT370 is not HW RAID, but SW RAID, so preferred solution is use it as IDE
00:32.51m2controller and setup linux's native SW RAID on top of two separate IDE
00:32.51m2drives. It will be far more stable and even more effective than using weird
00:32.51m2RAID implementations on cheap "RAID" controllers which is anyway done 95% in
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00:33.11m2sorry :-)
00:33.25pa_rado_xcan you give me a link
00:33.27m2I didn't mean to paste that but this:
00:33.34pa_rado_xwhere you found that
00:33.36pa_rado_xi will read it
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00:33.44m2http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2005/02/msg00161.html
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00:33.59green_earzpa_rado_x: that i option if you can get the hardware one working. but first ask on the mailing list for some advice.
00:34.17CrazyNormanIn fact, the binaries from my other partition are running slowly too.  The only major change i can think of, is that I was running ION3 on my old setup, and KDE on my new.  Its standard SDL code that I'm using.  Am I handling the window manager incorrectly?
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00:34.24green_earzpa_rado_x: http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/
00:34.29pngwnCrazyNorman, try #Kanotix
00:35.05m2!kanotix
00:35.06dpkgi heard kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default)
00:35.14pa_rado_xyeah i am too much of a newbie to try anything fancy
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00:35.17CrazyNormank
00:35.21pa_rado_xi will try just the software RAID
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00:35.48CrazyNormanSorry, for some reaosn I was under the impression that it was pure Sid.
00:35.53m2I thought kanotix was just Sarge with backported KDE...
00:36.41resiakm2: You thought wrong :)
00:37.07m2resiak: what is it then? that description is, erm, confusing?
00:37.08eegoreout of surosity from personal experience, what is the best compramise for raid between performance and fault tolerance if anyone could enlighten me
00:37.25eegorecuriosity*
00:37.49buckyi'm starting a new distro Katatonic
00:38.05buckyKatatonix
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00:38.16green_earzpa_rado_x: one thing that good about software raid is that its independent.  its not tired down to a chip set.  if your hardware raid controler go down. you have to get the same one. software raid base on the kernel.
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00:38.24eegoreI get that when I stare at the screen too long ;)
00:38.36buckyhaha
00:38.55resiakm2: It's got a different installer, all kinds of things installed by default, a magical menu thing for building new kernels (I'm not entirely sure what it _does_, tbh), and stable, testing and unstable (or it could be woody, sarge, sid, I don't know) in sources.list
00:39.15eegoredo you get a performance hit on software raid?
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00:40.26resiakm2: It may have changed since then, but it was like that shortly before sarge released.
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00:40.52aeronadixjim, so what is the package for javadoc called?
00:41.43m2hmm... looking at the package list it seems to be sarge + handpicked updates + some hardware drivers
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00:42.38m2eegore: little... very little with current CPUs
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00:45.18green_earzeegore:  and with a ide software raid you can tune it up a bit with hdparm for 32 bit. and a couple of other tricks
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00:45.49eegorem2: what mode raid has the best performance and is still fault tolerant
00:47.02eegoreI heard striping with parity is suppose to be a good balnce
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00:47.24abrotmanraid5
00:47.27abrotman!raid
00:47.28dpkgraid is, like, Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have  See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid
00:47.30covuxhttp://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/raid/levels/
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00:48.08aeronadix!javadoc
00:48.44m2eegore: raid5
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00:48.58eegorewith 250 gig disks getting under a hundred, you could put together a pretty big volume
00:48.59m2eegore: raid0 and raid1 don't provide fault tolerance
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00:49.08m2eegore: and raid4 needs a parity disk
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00:49.29eegore5 puts parity on all disks?
00:49.40aeronadixanyone know where I can get the javadoc tool?
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00:50.19m2eegore: some of the cheap hardware raids are just that: a bunch of IDE driver (8, 11, 12) plus a SCSI host adapter
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00:51.10m2eegore: yes, Raid5 interleaves parity across all disks
00:51.13abrotmaneegore: read the description .. RAID5 is parity+striping
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00:51.52covuxaeronadix: is included in java-sdk which can be installed via java-package
00:51.58green_earzho i ask earler on but no bites.  when i made a " sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb "  package can i move this to another debian sarge install and just install it with dpkg -i   ?
00:52.01covux!java-package
00:52.01dpkgmethinks java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb;
00:52.11jvwgreen_earz: yes
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00:52.22green_earzthanks for that
00:52.24cokebloodhi mates!
00:52.40eegoreThat is what i remember last time I was reading about it but I was not sure how much of a performance loss is caused by generating parity to be spread accross all the drives
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00:52.50m2cokeblood: did you get your PPPoE working?
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00:53.05cokebloodm2: nope :(
00:53.17aeronadixcovux, I am using debian and gcj though
00:53.23cokebloodanyway
00:53.26cokebloodi tried to ping my dns
00:53.32cokebloodand i get no response
00:53.35cokeblood:/
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00:53.52covuxaeronadix: what is gcj?
00:54.06eegoreI would love to attend a serious workshop on some of this stuff but being in the midwest, not a lot comes around here and all the Shows are on either coast
00:54.30aeronadixCovener, the is the front end to gcc for compiling java, its javac
00:54.52litagei created a 100mb partition of type linux in cfdisk. `fdisk -l` shows it:  "/dev/hda8   6761   6772   96358+  83  Linux". why would `mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda8` die?:  mkfs.ext3: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size
00:55.02aeronadixcovux, the front end for gcc to compile java, its javac
00:55.04m2cokeblood: methinks your route ist foobared, but I've never worked with pppoe so I don't know how it should look like
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00:55.32covuxaeronadix: if you have javac you have a java sdk installed allready and javadoc should be included
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00:55.58aeronadixcovux, But I can't find it
00:56.16aeronadixcovux, javadoc isn't included though
00:56.38aeronadixcovux, but I would just be happy to find the sdk
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00:57.59covuxaeronadix: maybe gcj brings its own sdk. i recommed to go the java-package way. then you will have all the java commands (javac,java,javaws etc.) in shell available.
00:58.02narkeris there some mp3 player which organize my music library based on mp3 tags, 'ala' iTunes ?
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00:58.27aeronadixI have java and javac commands available in the shell
00:58.27resiaknarker: ITYM "à la" ;)
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00:58.36narkerwithout touching my library
00:58.43foomonkeynarker: gtkpod
00:58.44m2cokeblood: looking at a few docs, try this: remove all the eth0 and ppp0 information from /etc/network/interfaces, and run pppoeconf again
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00:59.02resiakfoomonkey: That's for iPods...
00:59.07vortekHe
00:59.09vortekhello
00:59.12narkeri have ipod
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00:59.48resiakI don't think that gtkpod is what you want. Rhythmbox may do that. But you could just use apt-cache search to try to find what you need.
00:59.58narkerok
01:00.02narkerthanx
01:00.03covuxaeronadix: thats strange. i have also javadoc after installing the .deb build by java-package out of sun downloadable bin package.
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01:00.40aeronadixcovux, I am using debian linux, so I just installed the java package using apt-get
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01:01.07lakcajcovux, aeronadix:  me too, /usr/bin/javadoc with java-package
01:01.23covuxaeronadix: so you installed "java-package"?
01:01.25foomonkeyresiak: gtkpod is like an itunes app... why wouldn't that work for him?
01:01.29aeronadixlakcaj, thx, let me try that
01:01.31cokebloodm2 ok, i'll try. thanks
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01:01.38aeronadixcovux, no it was gcj
01:01.38resiakfoomonkey: It's not... it just reads the iPod's DB...
01:01.39phrontistHey, I'm doing a debian net install
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01:02.01aeronadixcovux, I didn't find java-package in the cache
01:02.03m2phrontist: good for you! :-)
01:02.22phrontistand I'm at the point where it asks which general package sets I want to install. I accidentally pressed enter without selecting any, will I get the option to go back and add more?
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01:02.32vortekAny one know if it is possible to make changes to  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ and keep them after reboot / ? I'm working on a passive sercurity program.
01:02.43phrontist(for instance, I want it to do all the "desktop" packages automagically)
01:02.50m2phrontist: run tasksel from the commandline
01:02.52vortekI plan on making it a .deb possible if its good enough
01:02.55abrotmanphrontist: you can
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01:03.03phrontistyay!
01:03.10abrotmanvorlon: you can script it
01:03.16vortekOr does any one know were I can get some real doxs on this ?
01:03.26deepani am not able to connect to gaim in debian... even ping 127.0.0.1 says.. "icmp open socket : operation not permitted"
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01:03.30covuxaeronadix: i only can insist on that you should try installing java-package and build a sdk .deb out of sun java-sdk bin package. it works for me and works for lot of other ppl :-)
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01:03.36jvwnelf|out: do you have contrib?
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01:03.51aeronadixcovux, ok thanks
01:04.03jvwaeronadix: ^, forry, meant for you
01:04.09covuxaeronadix: np
01:04.14narkeris it possible to have a 5.1 sound system on LInux? I have a soundblaster audigy and a 5.1 creative subwoofer
01:04.16jvw(re your question about not finding java-package in the 'cache')
01:04.18narkerany manual or something?
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01:04.37Gneanarker: google.com
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01:05.02aeronadixjvw, how do I add contrib?
01:05.24jvwaeronadix: sources.list, look for 'main', replace it with 'main contrib' or 'main contrib non-free' to your liking
01:05.52aeronadixjvw, cool thanks
01:05.54deepani get the error "setgid: operation not permitted " when i do su in debian .. some one help me please
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01:07.31deepan520 minds .. all silent.. none to help deepan
01:07.54m2deepan: ls -ld /bin/su
01:08.20zero-1hello
01:08.48deepanm2 i am not in debian now.. i am able to connect to irc in debian.. just tell what i should do with ls -ld /bin/su
01:09.10deepaninfact i am not able to ping localhost in debian:-(
01:09.11slidesingerI had a power failure the other day.  When power was restored and the computer rebooted, the USB mouse suddenly stopped working.  I checked, input.o, mousedev.o, and hid.o are all installed, though hid.o is reported as being unused.  The mouse is listed in /proc/bus/usb/devices, but cat /dev/input/mice produces nothing but a blank screen.  Does anyone have any ideas?
01:09.49m2deepan: it should look like this: -rwsr-xr-x  1 root root 23248 Jul 25 15:15 /bin/su
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01:10.01m2deepan: see the s there?
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01:10.04deepanhow do you know your mouse is mounted in mice slidesinger
01:10.12zero-1<PROTECTED>
01:10.19deepanoh.. k m2
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01:10.21m2deepan: if it's not there that's your problem
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01:10.44slidesingerdeepan: That's where it was before, but truthfully, I don't know how to confirm this.
01:10.46m2deepan: see the two root's  there? if they are ot there,that's your problem.
01:10.50paxlIf I have bugged partition table.. is there anything to do.. these are the line from fdisk /dev/hda4            5738        7295    12514635    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA) : /dev/hda6            5738        7165    11470347   83  Linux
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01:11.08foomonkeyanyone know vpnc? I have no DNS when I connect with it.
01:11.09paxlthe /dev/hda4 dos'nt realy exist
01:11.12deepanslidesinger: do a dmesg and see the kernel messages and confirm
01:11.25paxlcan I only delete it witout bugging the rest ??
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01:12.17slidesingerThe mouse is listed as hiddev0 in dmesg.
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01:17.24m2did everyone die?
01:18.44foomonkeyI am still alive... I think
01:18.48abrotman!alicekill m2
01:19.05abrotmanarlo is a funny guy
01:19.10NegativePlazmadpkg, thank you so much! you just reminded me of something i need to do
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01:19.50abrotmanNegativePlazma: how does that remind you of something?
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01:19.59NegativePlazmaabrotman, it just does :)
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01:20.11abrotmanNegativePlazma: i hope it reminded you to buy a CD
01:20.15pa_rado_xinstalling grub freezes on 50% twices
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01:20.28pa_rado_xno error message
01:20.31NegativePlazmaabrotman, it did acutally.. thast what i was getting at
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01:20.41abrotmanI don't want a pickle ...
01:20.44NegativePlazmaremeinded me to get the transporter 2 soundtrack
01:20.48abrotmanwhy?
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01:20.59pa_rado_xcan't turn off any virusprotect in the BIOS
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01:21.11NegativePlazmacuz downloading music is communism
01:21.13pa_rado_xits a DELL machine and the BIOS seems limited
01:21.23pa_rado_xhey i thought this is a linux channel
01:21.34m2abrotman: tnx! :-)
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01:21.34abrotmanNegativePlazma: arlo is on that CD?
01:21.41NegativePlazmai dont know
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01:21.43NegativePlazmai dont know who arlo is
01:21.47NegativePlazmabut the fact it said a song
01:21.48resiakpa_rado_x: Contact Dell ?
01:21.49NegativePlazmareminded me
01:21.53steelhoofchat on #debian is like whipering at a football game, good luck being heard
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01:23.05pa_rado_xits a 5 year old machine
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01:23.42aeronadixif I move mbox, Junk E-Mail and Inbox from ~ to ~Mail, will exim still put my mail into mbox ...
01:23.50atrusmy network connection appears to die occasionally. existing connections terminate, but "ifup eth0" says its already up. this usually happens when i'm not at the machine. Is there an easy way to run some commands if i can't ping out, or the network is otherwise detected as being down?
01:24.20m2ha! I win! I have a machine from 1995 here!
01:24.38abrotmanatrus: you can write a script that runs every 5 minutes and pings out .. and if the ping failes .. /etc/init.d/networking restart
01:24.49abrotmanm2: i win .. 1994 maybe 1993
01:24.50aeronadixI'm running an HP PII with 64mb ram
01:24.55mage_eh
01:25.10mage_486 laptop would be 93/92
01:25.20abrotmanit is a 486 DX2/66
01:25.32abrotmanew a mac?
01:25.32aeronadixI wanna move my mbox from ~ to ~/Mail, will it be a problem with exim if I do?
01:25.38abrotmanaeronadix: probably
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01:25.51eegoreI thought that was an sx
01:25.56abrotmanaeronadix: you could do some symlink magic
01:26.04aeronadixabrotman, I hate having a mess on my him dir
01:26.39aeronadixabrotman, ah forget then, for another day, cause symlink will still leave the mess
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01:26.56aeronadixabrotman, thx though
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01:27.07danamaniahttp://pretzel.ath.cx/ is another IIci, but actually turned on and working (has to count for something :)
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01:27.30m2well, I do have a VAX from '85 or '86, but thatone is turned off
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01:29.19cleit0nhi, hoe i install kde 3.4.2 in debian
01:29.51aeronadixkde eats memory like american cars eat gas
01:29.54abrotmandanamania: i'm glad i foudn the only user of m68k debian :)
01:30.08toresbe<3 vaxen
01:30.29eegoreno lie there, the only worse memory hog I know of is Winblows
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01:30.38toresbemacs*
01:30.43toresbeIt just seems wrong, dunno why
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01:30.49toresbem2: which one?
01:30.52abrotmanbecause OS6 sucks ?
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01:30.56danamaniaabrotman: :)
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01:31.04toresbeabrotman: no it doesn't. :P
01:31.09abrotmanright ..
01:31.18steelhoofaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! it was asiiiiiiiiiiiii
01:31.23eegoreI have fluxbox running on a pentium 133 with 128 megs of ram
01:31.33toresbeeegore: d00d j00 l33t :P
01:31.39eegoreon a debian base
01:31.45covuxcleit0n: do you use sarge?
01:31.53toresbeIt's a hell of a lot of functionality for, what, was it 128k ram on those macs?
01:31.59eegoreworsk fine
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01:32.13danamaniadepends which 68k
01:32.26toresbem2: which VAX is it?
01:32.27dvstoresbe: A lot of stuff was stored in ROM
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01:32.43toresbedvs: yeah, but those programs need working space
01:33.00eegoreX does slow it down a bit but it does fine in text mode
01:33.10toresbeJust can't get the 2.11BSD install workikng
01:33.12toresbeworking*
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01:33.18m2toresbe: A Venus (non-working),  and a MicroVAX 3100 (working)
01:33.19cokebloodhi mates
01:33.22cokebloodhey m2
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01:33.24cokebloodguess what
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01:33.33cokeblood100% packet loss :D
01:33.34cokebloodlol
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01:33.42cokeblooddvs keeps running away when i come O_o
01:33.43toresbea VENUS?
01:33.49dvscokeblood: ;-)
01:34.05toresbeAren't those... sort of huge? They were 6000 series, right? or 8000?
01:34.14danamania64K of ROM isn't much above that 128K :)
01:34.15m2toresbe: the 8600...
01:34.24m2toresbe: yes, it's huge.
01:34.27cokeblooddvs, running is bad for your health. a good thing would be to help me getting my pppoe connection work on debian ^^
01:34.33toresbem2: you're a better man than I :P
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01:35.04abrotmantoresbe: "man"? :)
01:35.17dvscokeblood: What was the last thing you tried.
01:35.23toresbem2: I'm involved in the creation of a Norwegian computer history society
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01:35.42toresbem2: And we've been sort-of given a late collector's collection
01:35.45StRHi all!
01:35.54toresbem2: And I don't know what stuff it is... but get this:
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01:35.57StRanyone here using postfix.admin in debian ?
01:36.10m2toresbe: sounds like fun :-)
01:36.11toresbem2: At the time of his death, it filled *two large barns*
01:36.27m2toresbe: wow!
01:36.27toresbem2: and he started collecting in the 70s
01:36.50toresbem2: that's what I said too :P
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01:37.00m2toresbe: he surely has some PDPs
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01:37.10toresbem2: Oh, definately
01:37.17toresbem2: But hell, so do I ;)
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01:37.35toresbem2: I'm really more interested in the Norsk Data computers
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01:37.43m2toresbe: with a bit of luck a VAX 7xx or thereabouts
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01:37.45toresbem2: BTW, what country are you from?
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01:37.53eegoreit even prints
01:37.54zrantheusI've raped Google on this with no success.  Attempting to log in fail safe terminal. Get error "Cannot find "xterm" to start a failsafe session".  Using Debian 3.1 (Fresh Install). Any ideas? Thanks
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01:37.58m2toresbe: Costa Rica
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01:38.23toresbem2: ah, nice. We're probably trying to cooperate with the US comp hist museum
01:38.30toresbem2: maybe donate some HW to them
01:38.32cokeblooddvs: the last thing i tried is to remove every ppp0/eth0 entry in /etc/network/interfaces and run pppoeconf again, but what i get is the same. i can't ping anything (i can't ping even my dns!) nor open web pages
01:38.33m2toresbe: the small vaxen are from the Uni.  The large one comes from a goverment institution
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01:38.40toresbem2: cool
01:38.45steelhoofhome
01:38.49toresbesteelhoof: wb
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01:38.58dvscokeblood: Can you ping using an IP address?
01:38.59eegorehere is the kicker, I think I paid like $20 for the whole setup
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01:39.15toresbe#debian has actually taken a significant turn for the better recently
01:39.16eegoreas part of a bet
01:39.17m2zrantheus: apt-getinstlal xterm
01:39.22toresbewhat's the deal? :P
01:39.30spdftoresbe, act of god.
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01:39.46jmganyone know how to deal with cloop? how can i attach/detach volumes from it?
01:39.56zrantheusm2 many thanks.  Good evening too you.
01:39.59toresbezrantheus: You probably need some basic clients
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01:40.18toresbezrantheus: xterm is one, but you might just want to install x-window-system-core
01:40.33toresbezrantheus: If you have the hard drive space for it.
01:40.33ke6isf*le sigh* It's always September, somewhere, out here on the 'net. =O.o=
01:40.44cokeblooddvs: no, i can't
01:41.01zrantheusgot it toresbe, thanks a bunch
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01:41.08toresbezrantheus: np
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01:41.26m2zrantheus: sure, sameto you
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01:41.42toresbem2: Anyway, I'm more interested in preserving the ND machines
01:41.46dvscokeblood: Ah.  So the routing is not set up properly (or you just never got a connection).  Can you paste the output of "netstat -r" using the paster?
01:41.59toresbem2: ND, Norsk Data, it's a Norwegian computer mfg. who made some very very innovative products
01:42.09toresbem2: And there's practically nothing on the web about it
01:42.17cokebloodi can but u'll have to wait some minutes because i have to reboot into debian first ^^
01:42.26dvscokeblood: Oh. shoot
01:42.31dvscokeblood: I forgot about that.
01:42.44m2toresbe: I'm trying to remember whereI saw  one  of those...
01:43.00dvscokeblood: Past the contents of "plog" too then
01:43.03cokeblooddvs a question
01:43.04eegoreI have spent the entire weekend working on debian machines
01:43.11dvscokeblood: shoot
01:43.12m2toresbe: Computer Museum Uni Stuttgart perhaps
01:43.19cokebloodisn't the netstat -r output the same of route -n ?
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01:43.36dvscokeblood: Probably.  There's several ways to do the same thing.
01:43.38cokebloodi tried to run them here from fedora
01:43.46cokebloodand i got exactly the same result
01:43.52cokebloodwell i already have outputs then
01:44.03cokebloodjust let me paste
01:44.07dvscokeblood: Oh.  I just tried it on my machine.  The output is different
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01:44.47toresbem2: we were very popular in Germany and Netherlands
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01:44.51dvscokeblood: Oh ok.  One used DNS to resolve the IPs.  No biggie
01:44.52litageafter creating partitions in fdisk, how do you get linux to recognize them without rebooting?
01:44.52toresbem2: It ran ba
01:44.54m2cokeblood: it works with fedora?
01:45.05toresbem2: It ran bankrupt in 1992 after a series of boneheaded decisions
01:45.08dvscokeblood: Either output would do
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01:45.25cokebloodm2: i'm from fedora, and everything is ok
01:45.34cokebloodthese are my outputs, dvs and m2
01:45.35cokebloodhttp://pastebin.com/354881
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01:45.55toresbelitage: I believe that it should if edited do an ioctl that updates it
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01:47.00dvscokeblood: Oh.  There's no default route to 192.168.100.1 which I suspect is your internet connection.
01:47.18cokebloodehm, dvs and m2, i just noticed a strange thing. the ips i tried to ping from debian were my dns ips, and i got 100% packet loss. but i tried to ping them from fedora, and i get the same result O_o maybe if i try another ip i will get anothere response from debian. anyway it's strange that my dns are down or wrong. i have no problems with connection from here
01:47.28cokebloodwhat does that means dvs? what should i do?
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01:48.32toresbem2: Tim Berners-Lee used a Norsk Data machine to write his first version of the WWW, called ENQUIRE
01:48.36dvscokeblood: I vaguely remember using the "defaultroute" option in the /etc/ppp directory.  I can't remember exactly where that goes.
01:48.58m2cokeblood: maybe the DNSs are configure not to reply topings
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01:49.20m2cokeblood: that route looks exactly like theone from Debian
01:49.25m2AFAIR
01:49.34m2toresbe: he did? nice :-)
01:49.41SantaOneplease help me setting up a streaming server
01:49.42abrotmancokeblood: not all machines respnod to ping
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01:49.55SantaOneI tried to set up icecast
01:50.04emRickis there a way to list all X11 window ids?
01:50.06toresbem2: I have one of their smaller machines, but their 5000 series were the dog's bollocks
01:50.07SantaOnebut I was not able to make a client feed the stream
01:50.24cokebloodm2 and dvs i'm a bit confused. my knowledge about linux and networks is extremely limited.
01:50.25SantaOneso I search for a VERY simple program which I can use to play MP3's like XMMS and everybody in the web can hear it
01:51.10cokeblooddvs: do i have to search files in /etc/ppp and find one where a "defaultroute" option will fit?
01:51.12toresbeSantaOne: I had no problems with icecast2 and ices2
01:51.32dvscokeblood: I think it's /etc/ppp/options
01:51.37SantaOnetoresbe: ices2 made me cry
01:51.39toresbeSantaOne: icecast2 is the server, and ices2 feeds the server with sound, and you can then use any music player to play music
01:51.45toresbeSantaOne: heh
01:51.48toresbeSantaOne: do as I did
01:51.50SantaOnetoresbe: icecast2  runs
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01:52.00SantaOneices  did not work
01:52.08toresbecp /usr/share/doc/ices2/examples/ices-alsa.xml .
01:52.15SantaOnethats the one I used
01:52.16toresbeand edit ices-alsa to your needs
01:52.24toresbedid you set up the correct PW?
01:52.30SantaOneI think so
01:52.42toresbedo you get any error messages?
01:52.43bongzillahow to put the apache service in the daemon to make it automatic?
01:52.44SantaOnetoresbe: will you run away in the next 2 mins, or can I re-install icecast one more?
01:52.51toresbeoh fuck, it's 4 am
01:53.04toresbeSantaOne: I will run away in the next 2 mins :\
01:53.05SantaOnein norway ...
01:53.07dvstoresbe: time flies eh?
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01:53.11SantaOnenot really? ;(
01:53.15toresbedvs: yeah
01:53.21toresbeSantaOne: I have school tomorrow at 8am
01:53.27dvstoresbe: Oh shit!
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01:53.34toresbedvs: yeah
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01:53.42dvstoresbe: tomorrow... ha ha ha
01:53.44ke6isftoresbe: Hae some coffee ready for the morning.
01:53.48SantaOnetoresbe: no chance that we just set up the stream?
01:54.09toresbeSantaOne: you could try me tomorrow, I'm sorry, I seriously have to sleep now
01:54.18ke6isftoresbe: Wait, it *is* the morning there.  Um... so, you up to seeing the sunrise? =^_^=
01:54.21toresbeSantaOne: You could do what I do: poke around
01:54.30toresbeke6isf: Bleargh, the daystar
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01:54.55toresbeke6isf: That Which Causes Screen Glare rises in a couple hours
01:55.05toresbeI should be asleep by then
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01:55.19ke6isftoresbe: Hey, cmon, sleep deprivation is fun!
01:55.22cokeblooddvs, i ran "egrep -v '#|^ *$' " (that was an hint in options to check which options are enabled) both in debian and fedora /etc/ppp/options and i noticed that defaultroute is not enabled in any of the 2 files, and that in debian one there are 11 options enabled. in fedora one there only "lock" option enabled. does this means something?
01:55.51ke6isftoresbe: When you're at an anime convention and you see two characters come down the hall that aren't cosplayers, you KNOW you're having a good time!
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01:55.59dvscokeblood: Fedora might store some options in a different file.
01:56.01dub.quit
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01:56.15toresbeke6isf: heh. If you've heard of The Gathering...
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01:56.29toresbeke6isf: It's the world's largest annual computer party
01:56.44toresbethey rent a huge sports arena and cram 5200 geeks into it
01:56.46SantaOnetoresbe:
01:56.46SantaOneuser@10[/]$ icecast2 -c /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml
01:56.47SantaOneI/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/icecast2/icecast.xml"
01:56.47SantaOneFATAL: error parsing config file (/etc/icecast2/icecast.xml)
01:56.47SantaOneXML config parsing error
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01:56.58ke6isftoresbe: Actually, I was thinking of my own experience at Anime Expo 2001.  Sunday at about 3:00 AM, I see two female anime characters come down the hall talking - and they weren't cosplayers.
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01:57.04SantaOnere
01:57.06toresbeke6isf: heh
01:57.16toresbeSantaOne: Please don't flood large channels
01:57.25SantaOne4 lines is flood?
01:57.30ke6isf!flood
01:57.30dpkgIt's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/
01:57.39ke6isfSantaOne: QED, yes.
01:57.56aeronadixjim, covux, lakcaj, I found it "free-java-sdk"
01:58.00toresbeke6isf: the computer party thing is 5 days.
01:58.01cokeblooddvs: so you suggest me to add a "defaultroute" line to the options file? well i'll try that.
01:58.06toresbeke6isf: or two very long ones ;)
01:58.11ke6isftoresbe: Holy shit, that's crazy sleep dep.
01:58.24dvscokeblood: Go ahead
01:58.29toresbeke6isf: people take bets on it ;)
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01:58.38toresbeke6isf: one guy managed to stay awake the entire party
01:58.41ke6isftoresbe: What, on the hallucinations, or the drops?
01:58.48toresbethe drops
01:58.53toresbeke6isf: ocllapsed on the way out
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01:59.03ke6isftoresbe: ROTFL!
01:59.14ke6isftoresbe: Collapsed like a jock donating blood!
01:59.19toresbehahah
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01:59.40toresbeurgh
01:59.42cokeblooddvs before i reboot i want to find a pingable working ip, to check if i can ping ip adresses. do you have one?
01:59.43toresbeate way too much
02:00.04toresbeI could seriously use a shot of liquor right now
02:00.11toresbehelps digestion
02:00.17dvscokeblood: www.debian.org
02:00.19dvs;-)
02:00.24m2cokeblood: 216.239.37.99
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02:01.07toresbe129.240.2.1
02:01.10aeronadixif you install something using apt-get, how do you know where to find it, or how to run it, or where the README for it would be, I installed free-java-sdk and I don't know where it is
02:01.18cokebloodthanks dvs and m2 ^^
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02:01.20toresbeNorwegian Uni gateway, I know their layout by heart
02:01.26dvscokeblood: no prob
02:01.59chealaeronadix: README.Debian is in /usr/share/doc/foo/
02:01.59bongzillawhere can i find to libraries/
02:02.13aeronadixcheal, thx
02:02.21dvsbongzilla: What libraries?
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02:02.56amphibongzilla: apt-cache search foo
02:03.10abrotmanbuild-essential
02:03.40m2ke6isf: ok, I have to ask.  What's so special about finding two non cosplayers at an anime convention?
02:03.54eegoreegad, I have a little over 15 megs of space left on that machine
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02:04.26eegoretime to clean house
02:04.27ke6isfm2: They were hallucinations.
02:04.41m2ke6isf: aaah...
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02:05.33ke6isfm2: If you see Belldandy and Ryoko having a little chitchat while walking down the hall, you probably need to go to bed.
02:05.49ke6isfm2: Thus is the case when they are not actually cosplayers.
02:06.03m2llol
02:06.10p1u70hi how to rename a file ? "rename 1.mp3 2.mp3" i just got an error.
02:06.20dvsplu70: mv
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02:06.31m2p1u70: mv 1.mp3 2.mp3
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02:06.40ke6isfp1u70: mv works
02:06.44p1u70...
02:06.49p1u70okey
02:07.16ke6isfOK, I"m the third one in there.
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02:11.24phrontistokay, when I startup debian I jump into it's login system
02:11.31phrontistI'd like to go to the normal non-GUI login
02:11.35phrontisthow do I do so?
02:11.52abrotmanyes
02:11.56steelhoofabrotman: what user do you use for apache2 website maintenance?
02:11.58abrotman!no dm
02:12.00abrotman!nodm
02:12.01dpkgDebian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s)  with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored..  NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
02:12.05abrotmansteelhoof: vi :)
02:12.32NegativePlazmawhen using x.org what should one pick for a usb mouse?
02:12.41abrotman/dev/input/mice
02:12.52NegativePlazmathanks
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02:13.16aeronadixI installed the free-java-sdk, so now where is the sdk docs for the java api?
02:13.17mc303after an upgrade from woody to sarge, when I login, the PATH for root doesn't contain the sbin directories anymore
02:13.22mc303is this a know problem?
02:13.29mc303and if 'yes', how do i solve it cleanly?
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02:13.52mc303i checked /etc/login.defs and it looks allright
02:14.02pmiller9when writting a Linux C program, what's the best way to tell if the program is running as root?
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02:14.12mc303i also did a dpkg-reconfigure login and dpkg-reconfigure bash
02:14.16mc303but it did not help
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02:14.32BenCpmiller9: if (!getuid())
02:14.40pmiller9thanks!
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02:14.51johnis there a command to force cdrom open?
02:14.56NegativePlazmaabrotman, no luck
02:15.01BenCjohn: eject
02:15.01pmiller9john: eject
02:15.13mc303how do i make sure the sbin directories are again in my PATH for root?
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02:15.28BenCmc303: are they set in your .bashrc or .bash_profile?
02:15.29john:) thank you
02:15.33BenCIOW< are you overriding them?
02:15.35abrotmanNegativePlazma: dmesg | grep mouse
02:15.41mc303i think not
02:15.43mc303let me check...
02:15.45abrotmanNegativePlazma: dmesg | grep -i mouse
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02:15.51NegativePlazmaoh yea
02:15.51abrotmanBenC: how was your ride?
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02:16.08mc303no
02:16.11BenCabrotman: nothing me relaxes me more than a cruise on the bike
02:16.12abrotmanNegativePlazma: oh yeah what?
02:16.13mc303they are not set in there
02:16.16johnCan you "not" burn DVD Data to a DVD+R Video Disc?
02:16.20NegativePlazmashould have thought of dmesg
02:16.21abrotmanBenC: don't tell the wife that :)
02:16.23BenCeven in the rain it's nice to get out
02:16.25BenChehe
02:16.28mc303grepping for PATH in those files doensn't give any result
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02:16.34mc303so it should take the default PATH
02:16.36mc303for root
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02:16.38mc303but it doesn't
02:17.05bdaleBenC: howdy.  long time...
02:17.08BenCjohn: you can if your dvd recorder supports + media
02:17.15NegativePlazmaabrotman - , usb.c: registered new driver usbmouse... so would that be /device/usbmouse?
02:17.19BenCbdale: hey, been a long while for sure
02:17.23mc303in /etc/login.defs the ENV_SUPATH is ok
02:17.30abrotmanNegativePlazma: the usb mouse i have is /dev/input/mice
02:17.34johnwell it wrote to it.. said sucessful.. then i tried mount /media/cdrom and it said "wrong fs type"
02:17.34mc303but apparently the ENV_SUPATH doesn't go to the PATH for root
02:17.39mc303why is this ?
02:17.39NegativePlazmaabrot, that failed on me, i tried it
02:17.48bdaleBenC: someone who knows you, I forget his name, walked up and said hello to me at LWSF...
02:17.49abrotmanNegativePlazma: does the device even exist ?
02:17.51mc303how does the value from ENV_SUPATH get to the PATH for root ?
02:17.56eegorehow do I find a listing of the install packages on a machine in text mode?
02:17.57mc303where does this happen ?
02:18.00NegativePlazmaabrotman, yea
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02:18.06BenCbdale: really, any idea where they know me from?
02:18.15abrotmanNegativePlazma: and it says what when you start X?
02:18.29NegativePlazmacannot open input device, no core pointer
02:18.32bdaleBenC: someone you worked with or for in the past, maybe?  His point of connection was realizing I was an ex-DPL.
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02:18.49johnBenC: Any idea why it would say that?
02:18.55BenCWinstar, Bradley?
02:18.59abrotmanNegativePlazma: ls -l /dev/input/mice
02:19.08NegativePlazmawhen i do dmesg | grep -i mouse , it says this -------- usb.c:registerd new driver usb mouse --------- usbmouse.cd v.16:USB HID Protocol mouse driver
02:19.11cokebloodhey mates i'm typing from debian finally! i got connected!! whohoo!!
02:19.25BenCjohn: maybe you don't have dvdrom fs enabled?
02:19.28abrotmancokeblood: woohoo :)
02:19.35bdaleBenC: sadly, the detail is lost.  may or may not have a card in my stack downstairs that would trigger more recollection
02:19.51johnBenC: If that's the case.. how would I go about enabling it?
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02:20.00steelhoofabrotman: I think you misunderstood: I am thinking user/group for website admin...
02:20.00cokebloodnow i can spend hours tuning X :D
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02:20.14abrotmansteelhoof: you mean the user who edits the files?
02:20.16NegativePlazmaabrotman, what am i creating the link for exactly? like where do i need to be or w/e to do it
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02:20.26abrotmanNegativePlazma: you're not creating any link
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02:20.31abrotman!tell NegativePlazma about usbmouse
02:20.42steelhoofedits/uplodads etc.
02:20.43abrotmanNegativePlazma: ignore the MAKEDEV part
02:20.46NegativePlazmaajj
02:20.52NegativePlazmaoh hell, you said ls didnt you
02:20.54NegativePlazmaim sorry
02:20.55NegativePlazmai misread you
02:21.01phrontistso does anyone know how I can get debian to boot "normally" instead of with the graphical login screen?
02:21.08abrotmanNegativePlazma: yes i did :)
02:21.15abrotman!tell phrontist about no dm
02:21.19abrotman!tell phrontist about nodm
02:21.22NegativePlazmacrw-rw---- are the permissions
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02:22.04abrotmanNegativePlazma: you have mousedev and usbhid modules loaded ?
02:22.37johnBenC: I'll save myself the trouble and save the data to regular cd-r
02:22.38john:)
02:22.40steelhoofabrotman: edits/uplodads etc.
02:22.43abrotmansteelhoof: i make a separate user
02:22.45subgvwhat deamon starts this port in Sarge?  "111/tcp open  rpcbind"
02:22.45NegativePlazmaim not sure
02:22.54johnwait..
02:22.58johnnot working. weird.
02:23.10johnnot even the regular dvd i use for data is working now.. and the burns said sucessful
02:23.14abrotmansubgv: portmap iirc
02:23.25abrotmansubgv: fuser -n tcp 111
02:23.34steelhoofabrotman: as I thought... what level of permissions do you apply to that user?
02:23.42ke6isfsubgv: lsof
02:23.45NegativePlazmai guess i dont have mousedev
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02:23.49abrotmansteelhoof: i just make his homedir the webroot or one above that
02:23.54abrotmanNegativePlazma: you need it :)
02:23.55cleit0nhi, my kde is broken.. how do i do
02:24.00abrotmanNegativePlazma: use modprobe
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02:24.08abrotmanNegativePlazma: actually .. use modconf
02:24.17ke6isfcleit0n: Define 'broken'.  What are the symptoms?
02:24.28NegativePlazmai dont have modconf either, waht do you want me to modprobe
02:24.34abrotmanyou shold have modconf
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02:24.47abrotmanNegativePlazma: modprobe mousedev usbhid
02:24.59cleit0nke6isf:  i'm braslian sorry
02:25.07ke6isf!br
02:25.07dpkgPor favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
02:25.16NegativePlazmamice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
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02:25.30abrotmanyay
02:26.01abrotmanNegativePlazma: does X work ?
02:26.07NegativePlazmano it barfs
02:26.09NegativePlazmaand shutsdown
02:26.12abrotmanNegativePlazma: still ?
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02:26.18NegativePlazmahavent tried
02:26.20NegativePlazmai will now though
02:26.21abrotmanoh
02:26.30NegativePlazmayep. same things
02:26.47abrotmanNegativePlazma: you didn't setup gpm did you ?
02:26.52NegativePlazmanope
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02:27.13NegativePlazmait says at the top Mouse1: cannot open input device so its not finding my usb mouse or something
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02:27.49abrotmanNegativePlazma: but in dmesg .. you see it ?
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02:28.10NegativePlazmai see mice:PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
02:28.42abrotmanNegativePlazma: is it Xfree or Xorg ?
02:28.43damonhowdy, I just installed debian by using the netinstall iso current.  My net is not configured at all, not lo, ethX nothing at all.
02:28.45NegativePlazmaXorg
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02:29.09abrotmanNegativePlazma: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. make sure you picked /dev/input/mice
02:29.33abrotmandamog: you need to change /etc/network/interfaces
02:29.35damonI run baseconfig again after I bring up eth0 and dhclient it and it does not see my net interfaces.  How do I get debian to see the networking?
02:29.36aeronadixanyone know how to run javadoc, I tried javadoc -sourcepath . -all
02:29.44damogabrotman: For what?
02:29.53abrotmandamog: not you
02:29.58damogabrotman: I see.
02:30.03abrotmandamn fuzzy nick complete :)
02:30.06damonabrotman, I get it
02:30.17abrotmandamon: does the system see ethX ?
02:30.34damonabrotman, not untill I bring it up
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02:30.44abrotmandamon: but it's available
02:30.48abrotman!tell damon about interfaces
02:31.12damonabrotman will look at it.
02:31.19abrotmandamon: dpkg shuld have told you some info .. man interfaces ... /etc/network/interfaces
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02:31.26damonabrotman yes ethx is seen when I bring it up
02:31.51NegativePlazmaabrotman, thanks.. xorg fires up.. but i cant move the mouse now
02:31.54abrotmandamon: dhcp netowrk ?
02:32.00abrotmanNegativePlazma: optical mouse ?
02:32.00damonabrotman this is just so strang for debian to do this, I was just lost.  Never happend before
02:32.03NegativePlazmaabrot, yes
02:32.09abrotmanNegativePlazma: is the light on ?
02:32.10damonabrotman looking now
02:32.13NegativePlazmayea
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02:32.17abrotmannice ...
02:32.46abrotmanNegativePlazma: did it ask you a protocol for your mouse ?
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02:32.47damonabrotman, that is it, nothing at all in interfaces
02:33.00NegativePlazmayea.. and i selected /dev/input/mice
02:33.02NegativePlazmajust like you said
02:33.04abrotmandamon: dhcp ?
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02:33.22abrotmanNegativePlazma: which protocol did you pick?
02:33.27damonabrotman not sure what you mean, but there is NOTHING in interfaces
02:33.28NegativePlazmaoh
02:33.29NegativePlazmaprotocol
02:33.30NegativePlazmaAUTO
02:33.38abrotmandamon: yes .. is you rnetwork dhcp ?
02:33.44damonoh, yes mostly
02:33.49abrotmanNegativePlazma: hrm .. that should have worked
02:34.07damonabrotman, laptop I normaly do manaul config, but at least lo is configed
02:34.09NegativePlazmaabrot,, so how do i kill x so i can go back to console?
02:34.12zyghow to set a common user have the right to mount?thanks
02:34.24abrotmanNegativePlazma: ctrl-alt-f1
02:34.36abrotmanzyg: man mount;man fstab
02:34.45zygok
02:34.49abrotmandamon: do you want eth0 to be dhcp ?
02:34.57damonno
02:35.00abrotmaneth1?
02:35.00damonabrotman no
02:35.13abrotmandamon: in your interfaces file ...
02:35.18abrotmanauto eth0
02:35.25abrotmaniface eth0 inet static
02:35.29NegativePlazmabrb
02:35.32cokebloodhey mates, i tried to install firefox by typing "apt-get install mozilla-firefox" after installation, if i run firefox i get this error: http://pastebin.com/354907
02:35.35damonabrotman, no on the nick auto config all together hate waiting for it to load during boot when disconnected.
02:35.39abrotmanaddress <ip>
02:35.43abrotmannetmask <netmask>
02:35.55damonabrotman, realy I just need deb to know I have a nick and lo
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02:36.03abrotmangateway <ip>
02:36.06timellosomeone knows on which debian package I can find the perl module Mail::Mailer?
02:36.10dvscokeblood: YOu need to run X first
02:36.16damonabrotman got it I think
02:36.20dvscokeblood: I guess you can connect to the internet now
02:36.26cokeblooddvs: i'm in X
02:36.27m2timello: libmail-mailer-perl perhaps?
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02:36.38lakcajcokeblood, don't run as root
02:36.39timellom2 leeme check
02:36.42silvertoncokeblood, why are you trying to run it from the terminal anyways?
02:36.48lakcajNegativePlazma, hello
02:37.02cokebloodsilverton, because when i tried to run it from gnome menu nothing happened.
02:37.06m2timello: nope
02:37.16dvscokeblood: I agree with lakcaj
02:37.24cokebloodlakcaj, you are right, i have to pay more attention. i drank too much beer though ^^
02:37.47m2timello: libmailtools-perl
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02:38.02m2timello: http://packages.debian.org/ is your friend
02:38.17timellom2, interesting, but bugzilla checksetup not reconize that
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02:38.19cokebloodhmm i ran it as user and the error is slightly different
02:38.20abrotmandamon: better ?
02:38.21cokebloodhttp://pastebin.com/354911
02:38.38damonabrotman, working on it.
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02:39.07damonreading /usr/share/doc/ifupdown bout time I learn this
02:39.27abrotmanheh
02:39.32damonabrotman, thanks
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02:39.42abrotmandamog: but i have my own! :)
02:39.56kevinvjigdo is great!
02:40.03abrotmanreally?
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02:40.05nickv111Hello. Are there any docs on getting 3 button emulation to work with Debian? No matter what I try, it doesn't work, and I can't seem to find any documentation
02:40.13abrotmanyou're the only person i've ever heard say that :)
02:40.18kevinvI used jigdo last night to get all 14 Sarge CDs
02:40.28damognickv111: what kind of mouse are you using?
02:40.33kevinvdamog: thank. *gulp*
02:40.38lakcajcokeblood, are you in X?
02:40.42silvertonkevinv, why not just do a netinst?
02:40.52silvertonit'll save you 13 cds :P
02:40.56nickv111damog: I'm using a one-button Apple laptop mouse.
02:41.03m2silverton: CD-poker is more fun!
02:41.05nickv111damog: It's in my laptop, not a separate mouse
02:41.07abrotman<PROTECTED>
02:41.11kevinvsilverton: Some friends of mine don't have an internet connection.
02:41.19silvertonnot even dial-up?
02:41.31damognickv111: Uhu... Never tried one of those.
02:41.33silvertonI've done a netinst on dial-up >.<
02:41.41silvertonday and a half of 6KB/s torture
02:41.44cokebloodlakcaj, yes i am.
02:41.48abrotmannickv111: #debianppc
02:41.49abrotman!ppc
02:41.49dpkgppc is, like, short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer
02:41.57kevinvsilverton: a bit to slow to install a good looking system on top of the line hardware.
02:42.08nickv111abrotman: I figured this wasn't platform-specific
02:42.22kevinvI tryed a netinst before for him, but it was way to slow.
02:42.24abrotmannickv111: right .. because the rest of the world uses one-button mice :)
02:42.31silvertonkevinv, it's cheaper then those 13 cdst though :P
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02:43.10abrotmannickv111: i've never had to set that up .. you might get better help from the #debianppc room since they've probably done exactly what you're trying to do
02:43.13kevinvyup
02:43.25nickv111abrotman: Yeah, all 2 of them ;)
02:43.27silvertonI love broadband, I dunno wtf I'd do without it (suffer?), I can get a debian system up in about 15 minutes
02:43.34m2silverton: is it? 14 CD-Rs are like US$3.  One and a half day of metered dial-up is like US$20
02:43.35kevinvplus it was fun creating a script to automate it while I slept last night.
02:43.50abrotmannickv111: there's only two people there?
02:43.51silvertonm2, I have free dial-up in my area...   so um...  cheaper forme
02:44.01kevinvEach ISO image in a seperate directory.
02:44.05abrotmannickv111: i see almost 50
02:44.19silvertonabrotman, I think he was talking about mouse buttons >.<
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02:44.21nickv111abrotman: Nobody is responding, however.
02:44.23kevinvLots of GB of downloading, lol
02:44.27abrotmannickv111: ah ...
02:44.31lakcajcokeblood, did you log into gnome/kde as user cokeblood?  I think you are doing something wacky.
02:44.47abrotmannickv111: this is a laptop ?
02:44.47kevinvAnyone ever try 'Debian Pure'?
02:44.48cokebloodlakcaj: yes, i'm in X. i'm running gnome.
02:45.01cokebloodoh sorry lakcaj i thought you wasn't reading
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02:45.02eegorethere I have 190 megs freed up
02:45.22cokebloodanyway i logged in gnome as user cokeblood, lakcaj
02:45.37silvertonkevinv, 'Debian Pure' ?!
02:45.38lakcajcokeblood, I have no idea why you are getting that error.
02:45.41subgvmy box doesn't seem to have network on the startup, how do I enable in the startup?
02:45.41sigma957what is debian pure?
02:45.50cokebloodthanks anyway, lakacaj
02:45.55cokebloodthanks anyway, lakcaj
02:45.56eegoredo I really need nan if I have vim?
02:45.59lakcajnp
02:46.02silvertonkevinv, use a vanilla kernel?
02:46.04eegorenano*
02:46.07abrotmannickv111: http://www.mayin.org/aragorn//computers/ibook.html .. from linux-laptop.net
02:46.10kevinvGo to: http://www.debianpure.com/
02:46.18m2cokeblood: and everything works but firefox?
02:46.46kevinvIt's a nice little ISO image that automates installing a perfectly working Debian system.
02:46.59cokebloodm2 well i'm using mozilla, xchat and gaim without any problems, and i'm theming gnome too.
02:47.08kevinvAll the packages are also included on the CD for both KDE and GNOME.
02:47.16kevinvFrom Sarge
02:47.49lakcajcokeblood, do you have mozilla open somewhere else at the same time?
02:47.49cokebloodm2 maybe i have to update packages on my sistem... i still have only cd apt repositories. i should get remote ones and update my system maybe
02:47.57kevinvI've been always reading up on other peoples stories when it comes to installing Debian.
02:48.14lakcajmaybe you can't run mozilla and mozilla-firefox at the same time (just a guess)
02:48.17cokebloodlakcaj, not actually
02:48.17kevinvPeople either are having one trouble or another.
02:48.37silvertonkevinv, that sounds pretty cool, but I'll stick with the classic install ;)
02:48.49silvertonIt's what I know and love so much :D
02:48.53amphikevinv: I had no trouble
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02:48.59kevinvsilverton: It uses the classic install, btw
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02:49.32silvertonOh, I assumed, from what he said, it "prettified" it
02:49.39m2lakcaj: you can
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02:49.47kevinvAfter you install Sarge the proper way, you simply put the CD in, and install the packages. It very quick, and works good for those first timers.
02:49.59cokebloodguys, i'm rebooting, i need to do some things with fedora before going to bed. thanks anyway for the help
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02:50.01silvertonohhh, just do a base install?
02:50.02m2lakcaj: they use different names(mozilla vs firefox I think)
02:50.14silvertonand then you run the shell scripts and it...  yeah, I got it now
02:50.17kevinvOr even people that just want to use their computer without going through a complex installation procedure. lol
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02:50.27damonI want lo to come up automaticaly.   auto lo : iface lo inet loopback is in /etc/network/interfaces but network restart will not bring lo up
02:50.27lakcajjust throwing out ideas.  cokeblood, are you running unstable?  Be honest now ;)
02:50.35aeronadixanyone used free-java-sdk?  I don't know where is the api docs?
02:50.41silvertonI tried unstable once...   I cried
02:50.44cokebloodno, i'm using 3.1 stable version ^^
02:50.47lakcaj:)
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02:51.06cokebloodeven the word "unstable" looks dangerous to a newbie like me :D
02:51.08silvertonnote: "once"
02:51.17cokebloodsee you tomorrow mates
02:51.18silvertonI was like hmm...   I'm bored
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02:51.21cokebloodthanks again
02:51.22kevinvI tried testing a few times, and enjoyed it. It had so many new packages. But that was before Sarge.
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02:52.06silvertonI put debian on a 386 recently...  that was fun
02:52.21kevinvHow did it run?
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02:52.23silvertonslow
02:52.33kevinvConsole or X?
02:52.34abrotmanbah .. my upgrade to sarge on my 486 was a 6 hour process
02:52.40silvertondude, you shouldn't even have to ask
02:52.49silvertonit had like, 32MB of RAM
02:53.08lakcajshit, I think I might know what cokeblood's problem was.  I bet he was playing around with his /etc/hosts file.
02:53.09kevinvUse a limited WM, like fvwm, or even twm.
02:53.17silvertonabrotman, the initial install process was horrible
02:53.22kevinvThere are tiny distros made for those computers with X.
02:53.40jay_I have a scsi hard drive that shows up as /dev/sda and I have a ide cdrom set up as the master of the primary ide. On boot up the cdrom is not found so naturally I can't mount /dev/hda as shown in /etc/fstab. Anyone have any ideas on how to get it to show up on boot?
02:53.46abrotmansilverton: no .. mine was an upgrade from woody :)
02:53.48nickv111abrotman: Basically, I do 'xev' to find keycodes. Then I do 'echo keycode > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode'
02:53.53silvertonkevinv, I was going to try fluxbox, but I ran a command I found on bash...   linux russian roulette >.<
02:53.57zebalin2Why are most of the popular Deb derivatives (Mepis, etc.) based on Sid and not 'testing'?
02:54.02abrotmannickv111: are you asking or telling?
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02:54.15nickv111And I also do 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation'
02:54.20silvertonzebalin2, cause "up to date" is like, uber leet cool
02:54.20nickv111But nothing happens
02:54.25mage_bah
02:54.26abrotmanzebalin2: because people like shiny stuff
02:54.29lakcajHow can I find out what channels a user is on on this server?
02:54.30mage_that guy annoys me
02:54.32nickv111I'm explaining so that I can get a response
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02:54.38aeronadixwhen you have an sdk, where are the api docs for it?
02:54.40abrotmanlakcaj: /whois lakcaj
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02:54.41kevinvAnyone know that feature on SuSE called subfs? Is it portable to Debian?
02:54.45lakcajI'm trying to see if cokeblood is stil here somewhere.... thanks abrotman
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02:54.56toresbew.....t.....f....
02:54.58toresbeI can't sleep, so I decide to grab some water
02:55.01toresbehit the light switch to turn on the lights, find glass, pour water into glass, turn off the lights
02:55.01silvertonm8..
02:55.05zebalin2ok, but how much behind Sid is testing? A few weeks maybe?
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02:55.09toresbethe printer immediately prints "4"
02:55.13lakcajnope, he's gone
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02:55.17silvertontoresbe, wtf?
02:55.18toresbeA dot-matrix printer
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02:55.32sigma957zebalin2 sid is newer than testing
02:55.33despedeshi!, some one using enlightenment?
02:55.42silvertone17 looks pretty!!
02:56.01sigma957e17 has been coming soon for forever now
02:56.01abrotman!dr17
02:56.01dpkg[DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/
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02:56.07toresbeI am at a loss as to how to explain this
02:56.12zebalin2opps, I meant just the opposite. Don't things only spend a short time in Sid (assuming all is ok) before they go to testing?
02:56.13aeronadixtoresbe, you saying you computer is alive?
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02:56.31sigma957zebalin2 yeah, sid is the shakeout area for bugs
02:56.42toresbeI should probably ground the printer socket O_o
02:56.55zebalin2Seems to me that these distros should track testing and not sid.
02:57.12eegoreI am afraid ti take anything else out
02:57.17abrotmanzebalin2: tell them that
02:57.19sigma957zebalin2: testing used to be really old.. it isn't now
02:57.21eegoreto*
02:57.34zebalin2stable used to be really old and it isn't now.
02:57.41despedessilverton, yeah... i cant manage to get it workingç
02:58.10sigma957I run unstable with little problems.. 2 in two years, actually.
02:58.21zebalin2Never used aptitude. Is it much different than synaptic?
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02:59.28nickv111Damn this laptop! I really wish I had a new one
02:59.28chealzebalin2: yes
02:59.54zebalin2cheal: worth taking a look at?
03:00.08toresbeI can repeat it too
03:00.23chealzebalin2: probably not
03:00.23nickv111Well, I have to go
03:00.29toresbeit's the kitchen lights
03:00.30cheal!aptitude
03:00.30dpkgi heard aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas.  http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html.  But be careful boys'n'grilfs:  Bug# 299009
03:00.42chealzebalin2: assuming you can use synaptic
03:00.46toresbewhich Which is four-five meters away from the printer at least
03:00.47chealsee the bug
03:00.48NegativePlazmaabrotman, you still here
03:01.01toresbeand on a different circuit
03:01.29NegativePlazma!aptitude
03:01.30dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas.  http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html.  But be careful boys'n'grilfs:  Bug# 299009
03:02.08zebalin2Thanks for the aptitude link. Saw screen shots. Looks like 1982 Unix!!
03:02.21NegativePlazma!stab
03:02.25NegativePlazma!dig
03:02.25dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all.
03:02.34NegativePlazma!gaze
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03:03.08eegoreis there a way I can reduce the text sizing in firefox to accomadte my tiny monitor?
03:03.13abrotmanNegativePlazma: kind of
03:03.29NegativePlazmaabrotman, well i did the reconfiging and stuff. no avail... im in vmware. or trying in vmware
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03:03.42abrotmaneegore: check the view menu
03:03.44m2eegore: uhm... preferences?
03:03.45kevinvIs this compatible with Debian: http://sourceforge.net/projects/submount/
03:03.48jdrakedoes debian have a way of modifying the mac address of a tulip based network card?
03:04.04ke6isfUgh, tulip.
03:04.20toresbeke6isf: hey now, tulips are nice cards
03:04.24toresbeoh well
03:04.32toresbeI'd turn off my printer if it wasn't my alarm clock
03:04.37jdrakeke6isf, it is better than the cards I had before
03:04.37ke6isftoresbe: All the tulip cards I used just kind of malfunctioned after about a year.
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03:04.47eegorethey don't seem to be switching
03:04.53toresbeke6isf: Mine have been going flawlessly for ages
03:05.02jdrakei was trying to get a intel card, but couldn't find any locally
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03:05.05ke6isftoresbe: Eh, go figure.
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03:05.10abrotmanNegativePlazma: oh . it might be different in vmware .. ask #vmware
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03:05.17NegativePlazmaoh ok cool thanks
03:05.21jdrakeeither way - how would one change the mac address? (is there software in the dvds i am building now from -testing?)
03:05.24toresbeke6isf: I even have the DELQA PDP-11 ethernet card which was the grandfather of the Tulip chips :)
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03:06.11costaraPDP-11 from the now defunked DEC?
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03:06.12arbeckanyone here run ipcop?
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03:06.19ke6isf!polls
03:06.20dpkg"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
03:06.29NegativePlazma!army
03:06.29m2jdrake: macchanger?
03:06.34NegativePlazma!stab
03:06.35toresbecostara: well, duh :P
03:06.38NegativePlazma!dpkg
03:06.38dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend
03:06.49m2jdrake: apt-cache search mac address change
03:07.00costaratoresbe, that's very old.
03:07.10toresbecostara: it is
03:07.25nullvoidI changed /etc/sshd/sshd_config Port 22 to be Port 9922, suddenly the ssh service not running, is there any other config to change to get my ssh server listen to port 9922?
03:07.42toresbenullvoid: that should be it
03:07.47eegoreit helps a little, I need to find a way to ruduce the size of the interface tect as well
03:08.01ke6isfnullvoid: double check your firewall or routing to make sure 9922 is available, and see if it's in /etc/services.
03:08.06costaratoresbe, that card won't feed into any PC slot!
03:08.23toresbecostara: nope, it's for the QBUS
03:08.28nullvoidke6isf: I even ssh from that machine itself - no go
03:08.41toresbecostara: but the chipset is the direct ancestor of the Tulip set
03:08.54ke6isfnullvoid: Semi important, why are you going for that property?
03:08.54arbecki'm having an ipcop problem and no one is awake in that channel...
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03:09.05nullvoidke6isf: I ssh to localhost and nothing running, until I change back to port 22, then it run
03:09.18arbeckthe machines on my orange network can't access the internet
03:09.19toresbeThey originally made the DEQNA ethernet card
03:09.29nullvoidke6isf: I want ssh to listen port other than 22
03:09.29kevinvI am about to compile subfs to try it on Debian
03:09.37ke6isf!ipcop
03:09.37dpkg[ipcop] a RedHat based firewall disto, It is used to share an internet connection using old hardware. http://www.ipcop.org, or a fork of smoothwall by disillusioned developers, or ipcop is all Free Software, Smoothwall is not (there is a non-GPL commercial version).
03:09.39toresbewhich went through dozens of revisions and never quite worked, was a horrible design
03:09.41costaratoresbe, ok, as you referred to it as "grandfather".
03:09.41NegativePlazma!popcorn
03:09.47NegativePlazma!python
03:09.47dpkgfrom memory, python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see http://python.org/topics/learn/
03:09.58ke6isfarbeck: Well, since ipcop seems to be redhat based, why are you asking us?
03:09.59toresbeso DELQA took over, with a whole new chipset
03:10.04toresbecostara: yeah, it was
03:10.10NegativePlazma!linux
03:10.10dpkgi heard linux is closed
03:10.15NegativePlazmalmao
03:10.28ke6isf!tell NegativePlazma -about msg the bot
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03:11.20toresbeNegativePlazma: As I previously said; if you want to play with the bots please do so in a /msg unless you have something relevant to a conversation/question
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03:11.29NegativePlazmaoh ok sorry
03:11.33ke6isfnullvoid: You're doing this for no better reason than just to listen to port 22?  Or is it that your ISP blocks port 22?
03:11.39nullvoidso ke6isf any opinion, I looked at syslog, but no unusual alert
03:11.54eegoreit is a little better
03:12.22ke6isfnullvoid: My opinion is "don't do that then".
03:12.25nullvoidke6isf: I know what I am doing, I am having problem and ask for answer - not to run away from the problem
03:12.41nullvoidke6isf: Thanks for the opinion
03:13.04eegorewith only 200 megs left on the hard drive I wonder if it is worth trying to put a GNU compliant Java on it
03:13.14NegativePlazmaoh my hell
03:13.17m2hmm... the descriptions of pythn, ruby and perl seem to have been written by pythonmonger
03:13.17NegativePlazmaits working!
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03:13.32kevinvsubfs kernel module compile without flaw! Even merged into the kernel without error!
03:13.45kevinvsubfs is compatible with debian as I see here.
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03:15.19concept10problem, im trying to install movable type on sarge...where are the default apache cgi directories ?
03:15.28silvertonifI ever put together a pizza place, the biggest would be called an "uber l4rg3"
03:15.29carocahi!,,  i need some help...
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03:15.35kevinveven the submount daemon compiled!
03:15.36ke6isfcaroca: What's up?
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03:15.41m2nullvoid: netstat -l to check if it's listening on port 9922
03:15.57carocai'm trying to install intelliport
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03:16.16carocai'm using modules....
03:16.26ke6isf!enter
03:16.26dpkgThe enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or  ellipsis '...' instead.  Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).
03:16.28carocabut, it dowsn't work...
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03:16.37carocasorry... it doesn't work
03:16.40ke6isf!doesn't work
03:16.40dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
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03:17.11carocai'm new using debian... and also i don't speak english very well !!!
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03:17.32costarake6isf, what the hell is wrong with you, always picking on the way people ask questions.
03:17.44carocai read the manual, in /usr/src/kernel.../documentation/computone.txt
03:17.44costaraor express their problems.
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03:18.17m2ke6isf: you need a multiple exclamation marks factoid to round that up
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03:18.25costarake6isf, the stuff you put out causes the screen to scroll unnecessarily.
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03:18.34carocaanybody know how to install a intelliport drivers on linux ??
03:18.38NegativePlazmai think im falling in love with debian all over again
03:19.23silvertonI never fell out of love with it :P
03:19.26costaracaroca, i can't help you, but i would like to know what intelliport is suppose to do?
03:19.27silvertonI'm even trying to convert my friends
03:19.29m2caroca, ok, and what isn't working?
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03:19.46ke6isfm2: I'd create one, but I'm afraid that, due to the attention character, '!!!!' might send dpkg into an infinite loop. =^^=
03:20.11carocam2...  i think it is a eisa card.
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03:20.30Thaigerdoes anyone know where would I go about getting the proprietary drivers for a Radeon 9200?  Their listed in some old release notes from ATI, but they don't have it on the site
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03:21.01travisat!dpkg say !dpkg say !dpkg say woot
03:21.02dpkg!dpkg say !dpkg say woot
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03:21.14travisatnope no loop
03:21.14m2caroca: have you looked at it?
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03:21.29m2caroca: does your kernel have supportofr EISA?
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03:21.39carocayes.,..  i recompiled
03:22.04ke6isf!tell Thaiger -about radeon
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03:22.32m2caroca: can you load the kernel module?
03:22.53m2caroca: or it thecomputone driver compiled in?
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03:23.38carocai don't know...  i wrote in the command line::  modprobe ip2 irq=4 io=2  but, nothing happend... and i don't know if it is fine or not
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03:24.00m2caroca: dmesg
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03:24.26m2caroca: messages don't go to the terminaal
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03:25.00carocai look /var/log/messages  and it says "Computone intelliport...."
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03:25.27carocabut, when i try to use a terminal, there isn't sign
03:25.29carocaline
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03:26.28carocawho i know if the irq and io address are fine??
03:26.34carocahow
03:26.43m2ke6isf: http://www.ie.lspace.org/books/apf/eric.html search for p. 121
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03:27.29m2caroca: doesn't the message tellyou more?
03:27.36carocano
03:28.04ke6isfm2: No way!!! oh, dammit...
03:28.07m2caroca: whatdoes the entire message look like? (the "...")
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03:28.38carocathe card has a LED, it flash every time,,  but yellow...  it normally has to be green
03:28.54concept10anyone know where the default cgi bin is for apache2 on sarge?
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03:29.39carocathe message says the the module is loaded, says de complete name and the version... no more... the right message i don't know..
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03:30.06concept10anyone here know the ins and outs of apache?
03:30.10F-LeloDoes anyone knows if there is any documentation on trying to develop IDS with Linux and PIX using the shun command?
03:30.17abrotmanconcept10: look in the config file
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03:30.58Goetmethow can I compile a c# file to see it's CLI generated code?
03:31.03carocam2:  how whould you do that work????  i mean.. from begining
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03:31.31concept10abrotman: which one?  I have already looked in apache2.conf, Im looking for ScriptAlias or where I should but the scripts
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03:32.03abrotmanconcept10: available-sites/default
03:32.08silvertonwtf?!
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03:32.31silvertonapt-get install alsa-utils results in gnome, gnome-desktop-environment, gnome-volume-manager, hal, and udev to be REMOVED...
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03:32.36carocai saw /proc/ioport to know a free irq,, and /proc/interrup to know a free address
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03:33.17F-LeloDoes anyone knows if there is any documentation on trying to develop IDS with Linux and PIX using the shun command?
03:33.20concept10abrotman: thanks for that one...!
03:33.36m2caroca: you mean you made the IRQ and IO Port up?
03:33.43carocayes
03:33.48abrotmani use IRQ #1125
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03:34.01m2caroca: doesn't that card  have dip switches?
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03:34.08carocayes
03:34.11m2caroca: or jumpers?
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03:34.19concept10elite name! sweet!
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03:34.25m2caroca: well, how are they set up?
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03:34.48carocadon't know
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03:35.17abrotmanthat might be a good thing to know
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03:36.18bcchi guys, i got cron exiting whenever i edit user's crontabs, on unstable. is that a known problem?
03:36.20carocado you know where i can find a manual of that card
03:36.57silvertonargh, I dunno how to configure my soundcard...
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03:37.05mik3anyone want to help me tackle my apt-get problem? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1914
03:37.17carocai saw the switches but i don't know how to configure, i try to do prove-error
03:37.42abrotmanmik3: are you using ubuntu?
03:37.49carocaproof-error
03:37.52silvertonabrotman, from the looks of it, yes he is
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03:38.04ke6isfmik3: Yeah, ask on #ubuntu.
03:38.07abrotmanmik3: /j #ubuntu
03:38.08m2ke6isf: http://www.ie.lspace.org/books/pqf/maskerade.html search for maniacal
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03:38.17mik3i did, not very helpful
03:38.30abrotmanit's still an ubuntu problem .. not a debian problem
03:38.45mik3aren't they relatively similar?
03:38.59abrotmanit is based on debian .. it is not debian
03:39.03mik3hah
03:39.07mik3you fucking twit.
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03:39.13silverton:O
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03:39.24abrotmanright .. but the regulars here are rude .. of course .. what was i thinking
03:39.27carocam2 are you still there?
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03:39.36ke6isfm2: heheh =^^=
03:39.43silvertonwtf is up with all these usernames?  "n=(namehere)@blahblah"
03:39.51amphi!pal mik3
03:39.52abrotmansilverton: check the freenode faq
03:40.29silvertonabrotman, java client?
03:40.38abrotmansilverton: read the freenode faq
03:40.47silvertonokay, I'm not that worried about it, too lazy ;D
03:41.02abrotmansilverton: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userequals
03:41.07ke6isfabrotman: But remember, the Ubuntu users know better than us that Ubuntu and all the debian based stuff really is Debian, ergo we will support it.
03:41.27abrotmanke6isf: no .. Debian uses the ubuntu installer!!!!
03:41.31abrotmanwe stole it!
03:41.46ke6isfabrotman: After all, they are our customer, and we as unpaid volunteers are morally obligated to help them.
03:41.48ambroseLbcc, you mean, you edit a user's crontab and save it, and crond exits?
03:42.12silvertonahh, gotcha!
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03:42.42bccambroseL: yep, on the next run the cron process is gone
03:42.56silvertonhttp://pastebin.com/354959
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03:42.59silvertonanyone noticed that?
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03:43.09ambroseLThat's exciting.  I haven't seen that but I don't do a lot of user-crontab editing.  Let's give it a try...
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03:43.17bccambroseL: if I set some job to run every minute then it happen in the next minute.
03:43.22abrotmansilverton: you're running sid right ?
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03:43.25bccambroseL: especially if the cron outputs something.
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03:43.36silvertonabrotman, whatever testing is, I dunno what they code named it
03:43.40silvertonI thought sid was unstable
03:43.41abrotmanetch
03:43.47silvertonah yeah!  that's right
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03:44.40ambroseLOk, bcc, I have a :echo "hi mom": in my crontab now to execute every minute
03:44.46m2caroca: can't find a handbook for that card
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03:44.55ambroseLand I made sure I do have a cron to start with
03:44.58m2caroca: it's a computone II, right?
03:45.05carocayes...
03:45.13carocaand it thing it's a eisa
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03:45.35ambroseLbcc, the job has executed and I have a hi mom in my email
03:45.53bccambroseL: do you use exim?
03:46.03ambroseLGuess I'd better get rid of that now before my email fills up
03:46.12ambroseLyes, on unstable it's exim4
03:46.19m2abrotman: I thought we use the SkoleLinux installer, don't we?
03:46.33abrotmanm2: no .. we moved to Lizard :)
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03:46.46bccambroseLL i removed it and switched to qmail. maybe that's the problem.
03:46.53bongzillahow can i install the GD library?
03:46.55bccbut every time i restard cron it works fine
03:46.58abrotmani think that was what it was called
03:47.07abrotmanbongzilla: libgd ?
03:47.12bongzillayup
03:47.16bongzillahow?
03:47.21abrotmanapt-get install libgd ?
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03:48.28belracuA modern high performance PC motherboard has two GbE interfaces, and is acting as a bridge. The theoretical maximum bandwidth achievable across the bridge is 2Gbps. In practice only about one half of this is achieved. Why might this be?
03:48.37bccambroseL: do you know which command cron uses to mail?
03:48.38abrotmanbongzilla: apt-cache search --names-only libgd
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03:48.42bccambroseL: the exact path?
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03:48.47ambroseLbcc, the version of cron that I have is 3.0pl1-88 according to dpkg
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03:49.15bccambroseL: i'm upgrading mine right now
03:49.26ambroseLbcc, no I don't know the path cron uses to mail
03:49.28bcci think it has someting to do with the fact that i remove exim
03:49.37hathello, how to get the server model from linux? I want to find out what the model of the server such as Dell PowerEdge 750 etc
03:49.42ambroseLI don't see anything in the cron config file
03:49.58ambroseLhat, have you tried uname -a
03:50.03abrotmanhat: i don't think you can .. not even from windows
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03:50.35kevinvI have a question about 'hal'.
03:50.39kevinvHow do I get that SuSE features of making the CDs label the mount point.
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03:51.06shaiWsomething is terribly wrong with my aot-get
03:51.08shaiW*apt
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03:51.22m2caroca: http://www.alturaxl.com/docs/ipII_hardware_guide.pdfhttp://www.alturaxl.com/docs/ipII_hardware_guide.pdf
03:51.25shaiWI don't know what the problem is, but I can't get it to download anything at all
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03:51.29bongzillawhat's next with the apt-cache search --names-only libgd
03:51.40abrotmanbongzilla: find the one you need and install it
03:51.43ambroseLbcc, I think cron just uses basic api for mailing, it doesn't care what MTA you have
03:51.43hatthansk ambroseL and abrotman
03:51.47shaiWI've tried changing mirrors and updating, but it stil claims that all packages I try to get don't exist
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03:52.00carocam2: thanks...
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03:52.08m2belracu: cuz PeeCees suck
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03:52.51silvertondammit!
03:52.57silvertonvirginia is on hsd1 as well?!
03:53.02silvertonno wonder comcast here sucks so bad...
03:53.04litageis there a way to tell debootstrap to use CDs rather than an internet repo?
03:53.13bccambroseL: right, i'm sure it uses the sendmail command, but i'm not sure about the path
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03:53.20abrotmansilverton: that doesn't make sense
03:53.22xchat.com
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03:53.30silvertonabrotman, didn't plan for it to
03:53.31abrotmanwtf was that ?
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03:53.40abrotmansilverton: look at everyone who is using comcast
03:53.47silvertonabrotman, not everyone is on hsd1
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03:54.06ambroseLbcc, I wouldn't be surprised if it just sends stuff to port 25 of localhost without invoking sendmail ... just guessing
03:54.15abrotmansilverton: uhm ..
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03:54.27abrotmansilverton: maybe you should double check that
03:54.30bccambroseL: maybe
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03:54.42silvertonabrotman, I've seen many a comcast hostmask :P
03:54.51silvertonnot ALL are on hsd1, at least, it doesn't say that in their hostmasks
03:54.55abrotmansilverton: yes .. and they've been moving to the hsd1 masks
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03:55.36bccambroseL: anyway, this sucks
03:55.48baadf00dHello, how do I type a ~ (tilde) character on a Japense keyboard?
03:55.54abrotmansilverton: /who *comcast.net
03:56.15baadf00d(not strictly a debian question I know, but I am stumped, and I am sure someone here knows :-)
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03:56.43silvertonwell, I got pwnt >_<
03:57.16Manoj_on debian, every MTA provides /usr/sbin/sendmail, and /usr/lib/sendmail is a symlink to that
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03:58.29ambroseLbcc, looking at the source code of cron, it appears that it calls /usr/lib/sendmail, which on my system is a symlink to /usr/sbin/exim4
03:58.49ambroseLbcc, caveat:  I was only able to download the tar.gz.orig, not the dsc or the diff file
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03:58.57ke6isfManoj_: I don't think that's a Debian thing so much as an MTA thing.  Postfix, for one, does it for portability reasons, as many things that look to send mail will look for 'sendmail'.
03:58.58ambroseLBut it looks relevant for you
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03:59.03Manoj_policy requires that /usr/lib/sendmail is a valid link to the current MTA
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03:59.26Manoj_as well as /usr/sbin/sendmail
03:59.39abrotmanManoj_: yes .. debian policy .. but i think ke6isf is saying just basic postfix tarballs do it also
03:59.41Manoj_if upstream does it as well, well, that just makes following policy easier
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04:00.10m2lol
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04:00.15ke6isfabrotman: tarballs, RPMs, whatever.
04:00.25Manoj_abrotman, a ballot?
04:00.43abrotmanvote .. you know .. ballot ?
04:00.52Manoj_vote for what?
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04:01.08ke6isfHmm, reminds me, I need to contact the local registrar of voters and inform them of my interest to work in the next election in November.
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04:01.24zdennisi am trying to dual boot windows and linux. Linux is installed on /dev/hde  ... windows on /dev/hda  ..... i installed grub by saying... grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hda
04:01.24shaiWerrmm... I'm sorry, I had to go, and I don't log enough to see, did anyone happen to see my question about apt-get and how it's not apt to get anything?
04:01.35zdennisbut when i reboot, it says grub loading stage 1.5 .... Error 5
04:01.36abrotmanhehe
04:01.38WiFiTuxheya. I have a problem with current-git and debian compile. Can anyone help me a sec?
04:01.40zdennisany ideas?
04:01.48ke6isfshaiW: Might want to just repeat it.
04:01.53shaiWok
04:02.02Manoj_WiFiTux, not enough detail in there to tell if one can help
04:02.16shaiWI can't apt-get anything, it always says that the package does'nt exist, and it's not like I'm trying to install exotic unnamed software
04:02.17ke6isf!ask WiFiTux
04:02.21ke6isfhmm...
04:02.23ke6isf!ask
04:02.23shaiWI tried switching mirrors
04:02.23dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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04:02.28WiFiTuxManoj_: I'm doing make-kpkg --revision=T42.v1.1 kernel_image
04:02.36abrotmanzdennis: error 5?
04:02.37shaiWand that did'nt help
04:02.39ke6isfshaiW: You did this via apt-setup, yesno?
04:02.45zdennisabrotman, yep
04:02.45WiFiTuxManoj_: then I have a problem, but I might need to paste somewhere
04:02.52ke6isfshaiW: Also, which version of Debian are you running?
04:02.58abrotmanhttp://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml
04:03.03shaiWnope, I modded the sources files directly
04:03.04shaiWsarge
04:03.16ambroseLIt would be nice if governments everywhere would use tamperproof voting machines, ones that have reliable audit trails and stuff.  Maybe even running open source software, so anyone can check the code.
04:03.18ke6isfshaiW: Do 'apt-get update' before you continue, see if that helps.
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04:03.27shaiWdid it already, ofcourse
04:03.32Manoj_WiFiTux, what stage does the error occur in? what is the system doing?
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04:03.48WiFiTuxManoj_: http://pastebin.com/354971
04:03.49ke6isfshaiW: OK, mind pasting your sources.list to #flood for me?
04:03.56shaiWnot a problem
04:04.00ke6isfSankyu
04:04.11WiFiTuxManoj_: 3 seconds after the make-kpkg command, that paste is just some las lines.
04:04.35zdennisunfortunately, they dont hit up Error 5
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04:05.06ke6isfshaiW: There's a whole lotta unstable entries in that file for it to be sarge.
04:05.07Manoj_WiFiTux, wooo. strange error. did you remember to do a make-kpkg clean?
04:05.18WiFiTuxno let see
04:05.30shaiWI know, it's a copy of a friend's file I used to try another mirror
04:05.32Manoj_WiFiTux, also, what is the version of kernel-package you have isntalled?
04:05.34shaiWI tried installing safe stuff
04:05.53shaiWthe original is much the same, only with a diffrent mirror, and stables
04:05.56ke6isfshaiW: Move that file elsewhere, try selecting from apt-setup.  See what happens.
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04:06.40Manoj_zdennis, stage 1.5 loading error means that the stage 1 loader could not find the next stage to load
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04:06.44phrontistwhat is the command that lets you see all the connections in and out live?
04:06.45gentgeen__Chaz, Sorry if you went throught this before, but do you mind me asking what kind of trouble you had?  I have done 3 netinstalls in the last 6mo. without a problem
04:06.47shaiWw00t, it seems like something is happening
04:07.01ke6isfshaiW: With apt-setup?
04:07.12Chazgentgeen__: I'm kind of tired, so trying to word it right.
04:07.14m2udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.
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04:07.22WiFiTuxManoj_: that did it. Thanks. Does that also remove the I'm confused of the debian --revision?
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04:07.24shaiWyep, at also happened when I switched manually and issued apt-get update though
04:07.26carocam2: thanks for this manual....  it really helpful
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04:07.30pa_rado_xquick question, while i am installing debian, can i go to prompt and then back to install
04:07.33Manoj_WiFiTux, yes
04:07.44m2caroca: no problem
04:07.49WiFiTuxManoj_: I didn't knew make-kpkg clean. Thanks buddy.
04:07.53zdennisManoj_, i am thinking then that it is becuse it isn't finding the /boot partition
04:08.00zdenniswhich is on /dev/hde
04:08.02ChazWhat seems to happen is the netinstall completes very fast. It asks if I would like to install grub, or something to that effect, then says it is install grub. It then ejects the CD, tells me to remove it, and says it will reboot. When I reboot, I get an error from my BIOS: Invalid system disk.
04:08.06ke6isfshaiW: Sounds weird, but let's see what happens.  Which package are you looking for, anyway?
04:08.09zdennisbut i dont know how-to tell grub to look in /dev/hde for the /boot
04:08.17Manoj_WiFiTux, in general, one does a make-kpkg clean before building a new image, a new version, or something, just to be on the safe side
04:08.39Manoj_zdennis, which could well be the case. seems plausible, anyway
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04:08.52zdennisany ideas how to get around that problem Manoj_?
04:08.54abrotmanm2: that would be Md iirc
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04:08.59gentgeen__Chaz, did you start off with a "clean" drive? If that part went quick, sounds like it is not formatting the drive.
04:09.02ChazI thought it might simply be that for some reason the MBR was installed on the wrong disk (I have two hdds installed) so I tried booting from the other. Same. So then I thought it might be that grub wasn't installed into the MBR at all for some reason, and used System Rescue CD. grub-install failed on SRC though, claiming that stage1 was read wrong.
04:09.03shaiWw00t, it works
04:09.03Manoj_zdennis, /dev/hde is on the second ide controller (a-d are on the first)
04:09.06shaiWthanks
04:09.08WiFiTuxManoj_: I knew it the bad way of removing kernel/debian
04:09.24ke6isfshaiW: Glad to help.  Make sure you get some entries in there for security.debian.org
04:09.24Manoj_zdennis, the second ide controller may not be available at the time grub gets to act
04:09.34Chazgentgeen__: It was clean, but even then I setup all new partitions in the installer.
04:09.38zdennisthat seems weird though. I have a rescue boot floppy with grub on it
04:09.40shaiWnow I have another questions, I did'nt try to solve it myself because it's related to partitions and all, and that's something I DO NOT wish to screw up
04:09.42gentgeen__Chaz, what is on the other dirve?
04:09.43zdenniswhich i can boot from just fie
04:09.47shaiWI have two reiser partitions
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04:09.56shaiWone is empty and the other is my main
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04:10.01gentgeen__s/dirve/drive
04:10.01carocam2: another question...  can i use getty in inittab???  or should i change it? what do you recomend
04:10.02shaiWI'd like to join them somehow
04:10.02Manoj_WiFiTux, well, unfortunately, ./debian is not the only thing that needs to be cleaned up :(
04:10.06Chazgentgeen__: A 40GB /home partition from an old Gentoo installation.
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04:10.09shaiWI don't mind erasing the empty partition
04:10.25Chazgentgeen__: But I didn't set a mountpoint for it or touch the drive in the installer.
04:10.32shaiWI was told it his possible to erase it and then expand the current partition over the unpartitioned space
04:10.37ke6isfshaiW: OK, lemme ask a few questions here.  First, how big are both the partitions?
04:10.41m2caroca: sure, getty works
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04:10.47Manoj_zdennis, on the reclue floppy, you have a /grub dir, which is where it gets the critical stagfe 1.5 and 2 from
04:10.50shaiWthe full one is 80GB, the empty is 40
04:10.59zdennisah, yes good point
04:11.02jason^is there a good correct way of using a newer kernel like 2.6.13?  something hopefully that i can run module-assistant to build my modules from?
04:11.05gentgeen__Chaz, cool -- ya, I would accually disconnect it during the install myself, then reconnect/set mount point after all done
04:11.16Manoj_zdennis, once stage 1.5/2 are laoded, there is no problem getting to /dev/hde -- no longer dependent on the bios
04:11.17gentgeen__just to play it safe
04:11.19zdennisManoj, you think it woudl be wise to switch the position of my linux hd on, and put i ton the first IDE controller/
04:11.35m2jason^: kernel-package?
04:11.38Manoj_zdennis, if you want to boot from the hard drive, I would say so
04:11.47jason^m2: ok i'll play with that
04:11.53Chazgentgeen__: Do you think that could be affecting the installation of GRUB though?
04:11.54gentgeen__Did you see all the dialog after you set the partions about "formating, setting swap, etc" during the install?
04:11.55ke6isfshaiW: Do you carry users?
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04:12.07Chazgentgeen__: Yep.
04:12.09shaiWnope, only myself
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04:12.16shaiWI have a few accounts though
04:12.21deepazi am compiling a application netflow analyzer in sarge
04:12.32gentgeen__Chaz, most likey not -- I just like to do installs with a minimal amount of stuff connected
04:12.54deepazit gives error in./configure commnd
04:12.59Chazgentgeen__: Not a bad pratice, but like I said I'm lazy :P
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04:13.11deepazi havealreadygonethroughthe config.log file
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04:13.21reuqfor some reason, my system can a symboliclly linked lib file name libkonnector.so.0 -> libkonnector.so.0.0.0 but libkonnector.so -> libkonnector.so.0.0.0 doesnt register even though the symbolic link is there
04:13.28shaiWwow, a new verb
04:13.29gentgeen__tends to help with safety (I don't have to worry about accidently erasing my data) and help with hardware trouble shooting
04:13.32deepazwhich says it canot create executables
04:13.34ke6isfshaiW: OK.  What I would do if I were me is pretty much mount the empty partition on opt, and just store stuff on it - e.g., mp3s, media files, whatever.
04:13.35deepaz?????
04:13.39Chazgentgeen__: I saw them, but they seemed to go by a bit faster than normal, too. I may be a bit paranoid on that point, but the net install in total went by in maybe 15-20 minutes, on a P3.
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04:13.54gentgeen__ChanServ, ya, too fast
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04:14.08shaiWyou see, I need 110 GB in a single library
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04:14.14gentgeen__Well, no -- then again, you did not get throught the whole install
04:14.22gentgeen__so accually that part could be right
04:14.28glasseDoes anyone know if scim is broken in unstable?
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04:14.43gentgeen__During the install you do one reboot, the select all the "extra" packages
04:14.54ke6isfshaiW: Hmm...
04:15.06m2shaiW: 110 GB? In a library? as in libfoo.so?
04:15.18gentgeen__Did you try booting with a boot disk/knoppix/etc and seeing if ANYTHING is on the drive?
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04:15.20shaiWm2, I have no idea :)
04:15.21Guerinm2: he must mean like the Gutenberg Library
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04:15.29m2Guerin: I hope
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04:15.36mfrischwhy is metalog not in stable
04:15.39shaiWoh, not a lib, a directory
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04:16.06Chazgentgeen__: It occurs to me that I know for a fact the partition was written correctly, and that data was transferred, as I mounted it on SRC.
04:16.11jimmfrisch: when was it introduced to debian?
04:16.21pa_rado_xdamn debian
04:16.26pa_rado_xi followed this http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/
04:16.34pa_rado_xand still doesn't work
04:16.36mfrischjim have been using it in testing/unstable..
04:16.57pa_rado_xdo you think it matters that i am doing RAID0 instead of RAID1
04:16.58jimmfrisch: you could try to build the package from source if you want
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04:17.06gentgeen__Hmmm, did you get an option between GRUB and LILO?
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04:17.13pa_rado_xme?
04:17.15gentgeen__I personally can't remember
04:17.18jimpa_rado_x: isn't raid0 just concatenation?
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04:17.30pa_rado_xraid0 is supposed to work faster
04:17.31Chazgentgeen__: No, I didn't. BTW, do you think it would matter that I am setting up
04:17.34pa_rado_xit is concatenation
04:17.49Chazgentgeen__: rather, installing it, on hdb rather than hda?
04:17.49Guerinm2: haha
04:17.54zdennisManoj_: i got it to work
04:17.55mfrischjim shorewall is piping to stdout metalog fixed it easy..what do you change for ulog in shorewall?
04:18.20jimoh, I see why they renamed that... debian is supposed to fit on more than just linux
04:18.23zdennisIn my BIOS, it gave me the option for Hard Disk Priority, and I moved my Expansion Card to the front of the list
04:18.29gentgeen__Shouldn't -- although that is where the remove extra stuff comes in :-)
04:18.32ke6isfshaiW: I'm afraid I don't know the answer to the question.  You might want to ask the channel how to concatenate partitions.  Sorry.
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04:18.47zdennisso now it thinks /dev/hde is hd0
04:18.50shaiWchannel, how do I concatenate partitions?
04:18.53jimso you should be able to get freebsd-image-<version> I guess
04:19.02shaiWke6isf, thanks for your time and help :) and for solving my apt-issue
04:19.06gentgeen__I'm not too sure then.  If things are showing on the New HD, then it sounds to me like a problem with the Bootloader.
04:19.09jimshaiW: three step process.
04:19.18ke6isfshaiW: No problem.
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04:19.21shaiWjim, I'm listening
04:19.38sixfeeTzebalin2: re
04:19.38gentgeen__Personally I would grap a bootdisk, rewrite the MBR, and the whole drive -- And start fresh with a FRESH/CLEAN drive
04:19.39jim(1) back up all data on both partitions (that's minimal, and they must be contiguous for this to work)
04:19.52m2jim: then they can be happy leaving kernel-image *alone* for all I care
04:19.53shaiWwell, one is empty
04:19.59gentgeen__o-well, sorry I could not help much more
04:20.00jim(2) once you're sure they're backed up, delete both partitions
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04:20.03shaiWand I have no way to backup the main one, the one I want to expend
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04:20.09gentgeen__late here, time for zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
04:20.38sixfeeTis there allways the upgrade problem with sid??
04:20.39jim(3) make one partition that covers the same (contiguous) area that both used to
04:20.46shaiWis this crucial? I won't be much of a disaster to lose my data anyway, come to think about it
04:20.51jimoh, and (4) restore the data
04:20.55shaiWjsut a medium head ache
04:21.12jimit is if and as you care about the data
04:21.13sigma957sixfeeT: sid is unstable... so yes you have to be careful about upgrading
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04:21.30jimit's the safest way, is what I'm trying to say
04:21.43jimbut there is another safety factor: the partition table
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04:21.49shaiWjim, is there a way to erase one partition and then append the unpartitioned space to the other one without erasing my entire machine on the way?
04:21.52jimback that up too
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04:22.04sixfeeTsigma957: i know ... but the packages aren't ready ... so it tries to kill kde and so on
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04:22.14m2shaiW: listen to jim, but f you wanto to risk it, you can delete the second partition and extend the first (given that it is ext2/3 or xfs)
04:22.16jimyou just might be able to find a tool that does that
04:22.26shaiWm2, I can't extend reiser?
04:22.35jimall I'm saying is it's the safest way
04:22.37m2shaiW: don't know
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04:23.01sigma957sixfeeT: I don't upgrade if I'm not sure.. I just wait and it usually sorts itself out
04:23.05shaiWjim, I'm willing to take the risk, my time is currently more importent then my data :/ (plus it's always nice to learn new tricks)
04:23.05jimand you might as well know the safest way for future stuff :)
04:23.08amphishaiW: ostensibly, but you'd be wise to back up first
04:23.11mfrischshaiW parted May work
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04:23.30shaiWparted?
04:23.35sixfeeTsigma957: ok .... i hope thy going on to fix it
04:23.49jimanother safe way is to back up the entire drive, then delete both partitions, combine, copy back
04:23.52mfrischshaiW resize partitions
04:24.01mfrisch!parted
04:24.01dpkgGNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions.  http://www.gnu.org/software/parted  I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables.
04:24.15shaiWmfrisch, do you know if I can resize reiser?
04:24.32jimyou -probably- can
04:24.49m2shaiW: reiserfsprogs
04:24.58shaiWm2, huh? :/
04:25.08jimbut it's good to know the points of failure:
04:25.13m2shaiW: install that, there somethingin there that can resize rieser
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04:25.19jim<PROTECTED>
04:25.40Chazgentgeen__: Interesting. I dunno if it was removing the drive or random chance or what, but it loaded this time around.
04:25.52deepazguys i have kernel 2.4.27 i nned to enable kernel support for usb wireless NIC
04:25.53Chazgentgeen__: Whether you helped or not, thanks for trying at least :P
04:25.56deepazwhat shld i do
04:25.57shaiWwell, I have a small fat partition, I've condensed evrything into it
04:26.07shaiWsay, is it possible to have a single partition over two hard drives?
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04:26.26jimdeepaz: what chipset?
04:26.32m2shaiW: software RAID
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04:26.41jimand therefore, what driver?
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04:26.50sixfeeTLinux 2.6.13-2 - Debian testing/unstable
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04:27.10jimhow's that one?
04:27.13deepazjim:my motherboard is 845 GL
04:27.16shaiWerr... what's the command line for reiserfsprogs?
04:27.36jimis the usb wireless nic on your motherboard?
04:27.39deepazjim:my wireless usb nic is 3com
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04:27.54jimthat -sounds- easy and doable
04:28.12deepazjim:how shld i go abt
04:28.24jimyou have to make sure to support the usb stuff on your motherboard first
04:28.27abrotmanjim: usb .. on your motherboard ?
04:28.42pa_rado_xi can't get the software RAID to work, i goes through everything but can't put the loader on
04:28.43deepazjim:ok ..  then
04:28.44jimabrotman: yeah, ok :P brainfart :P
04:28.48abrotmanhee
04:29.07jimbut you know something, I wouldn't put it past em :)
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04:29.35ninjaloWhat's the command to reconfigure xserver?
04:29.43abrotman!drxx
04:29.43dpkgfrom memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]     # Run it as root!  if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5>
04:29.46silvertondpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver
04:29.48Bac9is there a way to set permissions on named fds or pipes?
04:29.54silvertonwhoops
04:29.55silvertonI was close
04:29.55ninjalooh, i tried --reconfigure
04:29.58ninjaloinstead o -
04:29.59ninjaloty
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04:30.25shaiWwell, I gave up on that
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04:30.44shaiWI'm adding that partition to my fstab, but I have no idea what to mark for "dump" and "pass"
04:30.44deepazjim:it is enabled on motherboard
04:30.50jimnote that dpkg is one command (that does not have --reconfigure but they could have put it in if they wanted to)
04:30.54deepazjim:i checked it in bios
04:31.04deepazjim:?????
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04:31.22jimdeepaz: ok, then you want to find where are the logs that show what happens when you plug in and unplug usb stuff
04:31.38m2'night
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04:31.49jamiehi, any idea how to fix the perl locale warnings on a debootstrap install? 'setting locale failed' 'please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en_US:en_GB:en", LC_ALL = (unset),LANG = "en_US"' are supported and installed on your system
04:31.58deepazjim:yes, however does my kernel support usb nic's
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04:32.14deepazjim:where are these logs
04:32.16jimyou want to watch those logs and plug in the usb thing and unplug it so you can see if it's (1) working, (2) not, (3) confused somehow, (etc)
04:32.22jamiei.e., base-config perhaps?
04:32.32pa_rado_xdoes anybody here run software RAID0?
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04:33.05deepazjim:1 whether it is detecting the usb nic
04:33.06mfrischpa_rado_x yes
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04:33.20pa_rado_xdid you run into any problems
04:33.23deepazjim:2 if yes then whether it is finding the drivers
04:33.32pa_rado_xdo you boot off the raid or separate partion
04:33.33jimdeepaz: right, or (2) whether it says "what's this thing??!?!"
04:33.47sixfeeT>dpkg< crypto <-- ??
04:33.52jim"plug that stuff into me, yeah RIGHT!"
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04:33.56deepazjim:because prism54usb supports 3com nic's
04:33.59sixfeeTno non us hints?
04:34.02mfrischpa_rado_x seperate...I use it for /home
04:34.07jimoh, it does? :)_
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04:34.20deepazjim:yes .. where do ifind whether it isdetecting or not?????
04:34.36jimwell, I don't know the file, but it's probably in /var/log
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04:35.05pa_rado_xmfrish: so do you have 3 physical drives
04:35.07jimsixfeeT: no hints necessary... no non us!
04:35.22jimnon use is gone us!
04:35.30Azargood evening honorables
04:35.30mfrischpa_rado_x 2...
04:35.50pa_rado_xmfrisch: hmm, so how do you balance them out, i thought RAID0 requires identical sizes
04:36.05sixfeeTjim: but it messages ... i should get a new sources list
04:36.25deepazjim:where do ifind it logs???
04:36.26jamieis there a locale_config program in debian?
04:36.29jimpa_rado_x: does it -have- to be raid? there's another possibility
04:36.36abrotmanjamie: dpkg-reconfigure locales
04:36.49jimwell, I don't know the file, but it's probably in /var/log
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04:36.57mfrischpa_rado_x you can get / on raid if you compile it into the kernel.
04:37.00pa_rado_xjim: hehe, i guess doesn't really have to
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04:37.13jamieabrotman: thanks!!
04:37.17sixfeeTthe same with the apt-key
04:37.18jimpa_rado_x: you -could- look into lvm2
04:37.36pa_rado_xhmm lvm2 don't even know what it is
04:37.48pa_rado_xi can't compile kernel's yet
04:37.55jimyou can't??!
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04:38.07pa_rado_xjim: i am just trying to install it
04:38.07jimit's probably in your kernel or is a module anyway
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04:38.17Bac9is there a way to set permissions on named fds or pipes? an app after switching dropping root privilages can no longer read its /dev/stdin, is there any way around this?
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04:38.21jimit's called device mapper
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04:38.31pa_rado_xjim: i just want to run it at first
04:38.32jimthat's the kernel part of lvm2
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04:39.04jimit has a nice handy set of features... but I'm not sure performance is one of those
04:39.09jimbut flexibility is
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04:39.18jamieabrotman: this is weird. I get perl warnings about unable to set locale whenever i run base-config. can't find "en_US" even though I've run dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected two en_US locales... and, it says "LC_ALL=(unset)"
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04:39.38abrotmanlocale-gen ?
04:39.43jimyou should look into it, if originally you're looking at raid0
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04:39.49pa_rado_xbut in anycase i need to install it first
04:39.52pa_rado_xright
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04:40.02pa_rado_xdoes the install offer LVM option
04:40.08jimin fact, here, let me find something to read so you can get an idea of what it is
04:40.13jimsarge install? yes.
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04:40.19jamieabrotman: i think it did it when i did the reconfig, but i just did it again to be sure and it successfully recreated them...but still no dice.
04:40.36sixfeeTok i have to go ...
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04:40.48pa_rado_xso i can install sarge onto one of the disks, and latter merge them into something better
04:41.02abrotmanjamie: you tried logging out/in?
04:41.02jimthe basic deal is: you make Physical Volumes, then you combine them into Volume Groups out of which you make Logical Volumes
04:41.13jimyes
04:41.28pa_rado_xand it will transfer the data and everything
04:41.35jimlike faster drives, hardware raid, etc
04:41.37jamieabrotman: DOH! ;-) thanks!!!
04:41.41jimtransfer? maybe not
04:41.57jimyou'd probably have to do the transferring
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04:42.09jimbut wait a sec, let me get you a feature list
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04:43.24ninjalowould there be a reason why a user can open a program; ie. fluxmenu, but root it says " Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
04:43.48abrotman!sux
04:43.48dpkgrumour has it, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does.
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04:47.31abrotman!moo
04:47.32dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies
04:48.03deepa_jim:it has detected the usb device
04:48.11deepa_jim:howver no driver
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04:48.45deepa_jim :i have the driver file it is .arm how do i use it
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04:49.42ninjalodo i have to root up with "sux" everytime?
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04:50.45deepa_guys can anybody tell me how do i use a file with .arm extension it is a driver file for 3com usb nic
04:50.46gentoothreefourhi
04:50.49jimninjalo, try apt-get install xauth on both machines (if there are two involved)
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04:50.54gentoothreefourare fx faster than x2s
04:51.05abrotmanjim: he's trying to run stuff as root
04:51.13jimas root? oh...
04:51.24jimthat's a different subject sorta
04:51.30jimbut it's related...
04:51.33nullmanthanks abrotman for that sux reference; i didn't know about that gem
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04:52.25ninjaloWow.. I have ONE last question (just kidding many more coming)
04:52.29ninjaloPlease, change the menu location with fluxconf to a writable one
04:52.44ninjalowhat do i need to chmod
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04:53.40litagewhat does it mean when a pkg says that it "pre-depends" another pkg?
04:53.45ke6isfninjalo: you need chmod to chmod.
04:53.49jimfirst off, running in a root shell is fairly risky... if you're going to do that, practice on an unimportant box for -years-
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04:54.13ke6isf!tell litage -about pre-depends
04:54.20litagethanks ke6isf
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04:54.54litage!tell litage -about depends
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04:55.15litageke6isf: i don't see what the difference is between pre-depends and depends
04:55.18ke6isf!tell litage -about msg the bot
04:55.23jimyou need to understand the shell like it was an extension of your mind... or risk mistakes, which could have consequences that range from nothing to killing off your entire install and (of course) anything in between
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04:56.02jimI did run exclusively as root for several years... so I don't make mistakes too much :)
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04:56.36litagek
04:56.40ninjalowell, what's file permissions for only a user to have access to.. like chmod 777... etc
04:56.56ThaigerLibgl_Debug=verbose says direct rendering returns false, but my XF86Config-4 says load DRI.  Any advice?
04:57.04jimlitage: depends are what are needed for a package to RUN... predepends are what are needed for a package to INSTALL
04:57.05ke6isflitage: Near as I can tell, pre-depends is pretty much what it says - in short, in order for apt to work, perl must be installed and working, rather than it just coming down the pipe for installation when you install apt.
04:57.14ke6isfOK, strike my last comment.
04:57.25Thaigerninjalo: Try googling chmod calculator
04:57.40ninjalowill do
04:57.48jimlitage: and while we're on the subject... build depends are (what else?) what are needed to build a package from its source
04:57.56litagegotcha. thanks
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04:59.03jimexample, there's a thing called debhelper, and most packages use it since it does a good job of implementing current standards and avoiding common mistakes
04:59.34jimso, a package that used debhelper would have to build-depend on it
05:00.05jimexample of predepend...
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05:01.29jimsee, debian packages have these scripts... one's called preinst, one's called postinst... the first runs just before the package is installed, the second runs after... and there's also prerm and postrm (running before or after removing the package, respectively)
05:01.31deadcatwhy cant i display non-ascii chars on my xterm?
05:01.49jimdunno... why? :)
05:01.56deadcatdont know
05:02.13jim<aol>meetoo</aol>
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05:02.36jimone possibility, fonts?
05:02.39jimcharset?
05:02.44jimnot sure.
05:02.46jimanyway
05:03.10deadcatjim: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/xwd_20050902_12420.png notice middle and bottom window
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05:03.58zinxdeadcat: try ^L
05:04.04zinxdeadcat: or changing your TERM type
05:04.18deadcatzinx: TERM is xterm
05:04.39jimdebian packages assume that there exists an "sh" (bourne shell) available to run these four scripts, so, technically, the packages that use sh in their "maintainer scripts" (prerm, postrm, preinst, postinst) pre-depend on sh
05:04.44deadcatzinx: ^L dont work either.
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05:05.10jimsay you want to write your maintainer script in scheme
05:05.16zinxdeadcat: it's using smacs / rmacs
05:05.19jimyou would have to predepend on scheme
05:05.27zinxdeadcat: so you need a terminfo entry that has entries for those
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05:06.04jimand in response, dpkg will install and configure the scheme interpreter of the maintainer's choice before even beginning to install the desired package
05:06.16deadcatzinx: ah. but why did the screenshot shows 1 window work and 1 doesnt.? they all inside screen
05:06.29zinxdeadcat: differing TERM is all i can guess
05:06.30duncfjim: i believe a couple of the scripts work with just Depends:
05:06.46deadcatzinx: all windows use same .screenrc
05:06.48jimlike prerm and postinst?
05:06.58duncfjim: i think so
05:07.04jimthat makes sense
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05:07.41jimbut that's another wrinkle of a different color... I was hoping to not have to explain that part :)
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05:07.45ec:)
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05:09.02h3xisanyone here know how to make it to where nicks in xchat have pointer brackets ( <> ) around them?
05:09.25jimyeah, I'd like to know that too
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05:09.31deadcatzinx: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/termcap
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05:10.04LightVisionhi
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05:10.29Coweaterh3xis and jim: http://www.sacarasc.org/xchat/te.html
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05:11.05jim!moo
05:11.05dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies
05:11.20jimuhoh, dpkg better hide!
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05:14.52pa_rado_xhow big should the boot partition be?
05:14.55pa_rado_x10mb?
05:15.22LightVisionwhats the command to print text to the screen?  is it "print hello" ?
05:15.39cinixLightVision, echo
05:15.40deadcatecho
05:15.42GregMecho?
05:15.46bob2or printf
05:15.47deadcator printf
05:15.49LightVisionok thanks
05:15.50bob2depending on what you want to do
05:15.51bob2hah
05:15.52cinixhehehe
05:16.12pa_rado_xjust run a simple linux system
05:16.16deadcatpa_rado_x: make it 50mb unless space is limited
05:16.19jim-thanks- for the link, Coweater... that cow dpkg ought to be around somewhere...
05:16.25pa_rado_xdoes the kernel get installed there
05:16.28LightVisionanyone recommend VIM?
05:16.36deadcatpa_rado_x: ya. ls /boot
05:16.42deadcatLightVision: just use it
05:16.58pa_rado_xoh that's why it crashed while installing the kernel
05:17.04pa_rado_xi made it only 10mb
05:17.06bob2vim is an excellent editor if you're serious about your editing
05:17.14LightVisiondeadcat:  what happened to your cat?
05:17.26deadcatLightVision: i dont have one. (
05:17.27Coweaterpa_rado_x: you should be able to fit a few kernel there with 10 mb
05:17.27deadcat(=
05:17.30LightVisionbob2:  ok thanks
05:17.43LightVisiondeadcat:  i know why, its dead :P
05:17.46bob2LightVision: it's got a fairly steep learning curve, tho
05:17.51GregMlightvision:  its personal preference, vim works for me
05:18.01LightVisiondeadcat:  my question should have been instead: "how did your cat die?"
05:18.06LightVisionGregM:  ok ty
05:18.15LightVisionbob2:  k
05:18.32LightVisionim learning scripting and I thought VIM was good for that
05:18.34deadcatLightVision: hahaha... actually cats are pretty cool. http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2005/scruffy.rick's.cat/20058027_canonS230_2136.jpg
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05:19.14LightVisiondeadcat:  hehhhe,  great pic :)
05:19.16deadcatbob2: i still cant figure out the damn prompt/non-ascii/blah
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05:20.18LightVisioni was readoing that Debian doesnt use the linux kernel but some freee open source kernel!  is that true?
05:20.31deadcatLightVision: no
05:20.37LightVisionwhats the command to see what kernel im using and what version?
05:20.43deadcatuname -a
05:20.51LightVisionok
05:20.55LightVisionbrb
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05:21.02deadcatLightVision: if you have time cd /proc and cat some files
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05:21.14LightVisiondeadcat:  it said: Linux debian 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
05:21.28zinxLightVision: there's also kFreeBSD and Hurd debian distributions
05:21.32LightVisiondeadcat:  is that the latest linux kernel I should be using?
05:21.41zinxLightVision: but you probably don't want to use either of those
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05:21.46LightVisionzinx:  ah yes, thats what the article mentioned
05:22.05deadcatLightVision: that one is fine
05:22.08LightVisionzinx:  so im using the proper linux kernel debian?
05:22.15bob2yes...
05:22.15LightVisiondeadcat:  great :) ty
05:22.23bob2hurd and the *bsd ports are not even close to releasing
05:22.26LightVisionbob2:  :)
05:22.44LightVisionbob2: whats hurd all about?
05:22.55deadcatanyone using apache1.3? check the content in /etc/logrotate.d/apache to see if its "create 640 root www-data" i think i might have changed it before.
05:22.59bob2hurd.gnu.org
05:23.03bob2it existed before linux did
05:23.05zinxit's all about slowly thumbing its nose at linux :P
05:23.15bob2but never really took off
05:23.22asuffieldhurd is about finding new and creative ways to break programs in order to get attention
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05:23.33peterSdeadcat: create 640 root adm
05:23.57deadcatpeterS: thanks. i must have changed to www-data for awstats, which i couldnt figure out how the thing work
05:24.02Quinn_Stormany reason in particular that NFS would be...sorta inexplicably refusing to work? specifically it appears to work right after I mount the filesystem, but as soon as I start major operations on it, the nfs server stops responding to nfs requests, despite otherwise appearing healthy
05:24.03LightVisionI heard Apple have decided to switch to using x386 chips!  anyone her using apple harsware with Debian on it?
05:24.19peterSLightVision: correct and yes some people here are
05:24.24asuffielddpkg: nfs
05:24.24dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served.  Network FaILurE System.  Never Fscking Stable.  No Fucking Security.  Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php
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05:24.43deadcatpeterS: you want to fix my prompt/non-ascii problem?
05:24.45asuffieldQuinn_Storm: NFS has a special place in the hearts of all sysadmins
05:24.46bob2LightVision: debian runs on apple ppc machines...
05:24.56LightVisionpeterS:  great!   I was thinking about buying an apple and then installing Debian on it
05:24.56peterSdeadcat: I didn't hear about your prompt/non-ascii problem
05:25.02LightVisionbob2:  ok
05:25.06Quinn_Stormwlel I'm mostly using samba to share between my unix boxen b/c of this bug but I'd like to clear it up
05:25.27asuffield"sorta inexplicably refusing to work" sounds like a description of NFS to me
05:25.33Quinn_Stormlol
05:25.39peterS<PROTECTED>
05:25.41peterS<PROTECTED>
05:25.43Quinn_Stormit also seems to be uniquely capable of killing my ethernet card
05:25.53Quinn_Storm"next frame inconsistency, 0xa4"
05:26.06asuffieldthat's probably the problem then
05:26.07peterShey there, cafuego.  either you or I haven't been here in awhile, because I haven't seen you around
05:26.10deadcatpeterS: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/xwd_20050902_12420.png notice the middle and bottom window
05:26.12cafuegobob2: perhaps not in G5 iMacs
05:26.16Quinn_Stormif it wasn't in the kernel it'd probably be fine
05:26.24cafuegopeterS: I've been cowering on another channel, yeah
05:26.24Quinn_Stormsamba runs fine b/c its a user-space server
05:26.24asuffieldtry a different card
05:26.25deadcatpeterS: we havent seen him in a while (=
05:26.44asuffieldthey're like $5
05:26.48Quinn_Stormnot pcmcia
05:26.51asuffieldsamba doesn't spew enormous amounts of traffic on the network
05:26.55Quinn_Stormlol
05:27.19asuffieldthere's nothing quite like nfs to put some load on a network. except remote swapfiles.
05:27.25Quinn_Stormwell maybe I should stick to samba, I just wish there was a fork with fully unix semantics
05:27.34Quinn_Stormb/c I can't use samba to mount a cvs repository
05:27.35bob2they could call it sama
05:27.38bob2er, samba
05:27.41bob2and run it over CIFS
05:27.43bob2it'd rock
05:27.46peterSdeadcat: what th'ell did you do?
05:28.00asuffieldsamba 3.0's unix extensions should be complete
05:28.07asuffieldassuming you don't use the shitty old smbfs driver
05:28.18Quinn_Stormis there a good new smbfs driver?
05:28.21asuffieldcifs
05:28.22deadcatpeterS: i dont know. i have no clue how i got that window to display the prompt correctly. now they dont work no more. heheh
05:28.28Quinn_Stormso there's a mount -t cifs?
05:28.32asuffieldyes
05:28.34Quinn_Stormah ok
05:28.34peterSQuinn_Storm: yes.  yes, there is.
05:28.35Quinn_Stormhmm
05:28.42asuffieldsmbfs hasn't been maintained in about four years
05:28.58peterSQuinn_Storm: it's new to kernel 2.6, I believe.  I could be wrong, it might be new to kernel 2.4
05:29.07asuffieldit's included upstream in 2.6
05:29.12asuffieldI believe it existed for 2.4
05:29.21Quinn_StormI'm using 2.6
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05:29.24Quinn_Stormso its no big deal
05:29.27Quinn_StormI just never realized
05:29.44Quinn_Stormthat could have saved me so many headaches trying to set this up
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05:31.15peterSQuinn_Storm: note that even with the unix extensions, samba / the kernel cifs filesystem still have the original limitation from SMB of the whole mountpoint being acted upon on behalf of a single user
05:31.17steve__hey- i have a server
05:31.19peterSI believe
05:31.31steve__and when i nmap the server it says port ssh is filtered
05:31.38steve__how do i open it up?
05:31.46Quinn_Stormwell I'll try -t cifs and see if it fixes the whole cvs problem
05:31.55peterSthat is - unlike nfs, the server doesn't just believe the client when the client says "ok now ____ user is doing something" - you authenticate as a single user and the server assumes that same user is doing everything
05:31.59asuffieldpeterS: pretty much has to be, because there's no user mapping and credentials cache in the vanilla kernel yet
05:31.59bob2steve__: you need to read the nmap documentation
05:32.08bob2steve__: then note that Debian does not filter any ports at all, by default
05:32.22asuffieldcomplete nfsv4 support will involve changing that
05:32.31steve__well, i cant connect to my server box
05:32.35steve__thats running debian
05:32.42peterSasuffield: yeah I was about to say, I thought nfsv4 needed this
05:32.48steve__but port 21 says open
05:32.54LightVisionwhats a character to use in scripts that will allow any switch to be placed in its place?  eg,  this is in my script: "grep --colour -i encrypt *.* "encrypt" is the word and place I want to be able to change evertyime I run the script.  Any help please?
05:32.54steve__and i can ftp to the box
05:32.57deadcatsteve__: you've been rooted
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05:33.06bob2steve__: so, ignore nmap entirely and look at your network
05:33.07asuffieldnfsv4 does not require it, but some features (including kerberised nfs) do
05:33.11deadcatLightVision: .bashrc?
05:33.11steve__deadcat: i just set the box up
05:33.15bob2nmap is useless if you don't understand how it works
05:33.19steve__deadcat: 10 minutes ago
05:33.23LightVisiondeadcat:  whats .bashrc?
05:33.33steve__okay- i just want to be able to ssh to my server
05:33.37steve__forget nmap
05:33.40peterSasuffield: right, 's what I meant.  nfsv4 with gssapi etc.
05:33.43steve__it says no route to host
05:33.44deadcatLightVision: nevermind. (=. i didnt read your entire Q
05:33.46bob2steve__: so, go back through your network and find what is blocking port 22
05:33.54LightVisionwill this work: "grep --colour -i %1 *.* ?
05:33.58bob2steve__: assuming you actually have an ssh server installed and running
05:34.06steve__could it be my school's network?
05:34.21LightVisiondeadcat:  will this work: "grep --colour -i %1 *.* ?  where %1 can be any text string I want.
05:34.30deadcatLightVision: looks good but dont you mean $1 ?
05:34.37steve__21/tcp    open     ftp
05:34.37steve__22/tcp    filtered ssh
05:34.41LightVisiondeadcat:  ok, its $1?
05:34.42peterSLightVision: why *.*?  you don't want to include files that do not have a . in them?
05:34.46bob2steve__: ignore nmap
05:34.50steve__<PROTECTED>
05:34.50steve__ssh: connect to host 149.137.209.42 port 22: No route to host
05:34.50steve__<PROTECTED>
05:34.50steve__ssh: connect to host 149.137.209.42 port 22: No route to host
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05:34.51deadcatLightVision: ya. and quote the mofo
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05:34.59steve__sorry
05:34.59bob2there yo ugo
05:35.12bob2steve__: use tcptraceroute to find out where along the way port 22 is being blocked
05:35.39steve__ok
05:35.41deadcatpeterS: still here?
05:35.59peterSdeadcat: still here.  wtf kind of prompt do you have anyway?  like what shell, and how did you define it?
05:36.17LightVisionpetemc:  if I leave out the *.*, it doesnt work
05:36.21deadcatpeterS: bash. PS1.
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05:36.25LightVisionpeterS:   if I leave out the *.*, it doesnt work
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05:36.39peterSLightVision: in unix we normally just say * instead of *.* because we don't care if a filename has . in it
05:36.39steve__<PROTECTED>
05:36.40steve__<PROTECTED>
05:37.00peterSdeadcat: what is PS1 set to?
05:37.12steve__huh?
05:37.13deadcatpeterS: \[\033]0;\u@\h : \w\007\]\[\033[0m\]\[\033[36m\]-\[\033[0m\]\[\033[31m\]-<\[\033[0m\]\[\033[36m\]\d\[\033[0m\]\[\033[31m\]/\[\033[0m\]\[\033[36m\]\@\[\033[0m\]\[\033[31m\]>\[\033[0m\]\[\033[31m\]-\[\033[0m\]\[\033[31m\]<\[\033[0m\]\[\033[36m\]/dev/pts/3\[\033[0m\]\[\033[31m\]>\[\033[0m\]\[\033[31m\]-\[\033[0m\]\[\033[31m\]<\[\033[0m\]\[\033[36m\]\w\[\033[0m\]\[\033[31m\]>-\[\033[0m\]\[\033[36m\]-\n\[\033[0m\]\[\033[36m\]-\[\
05:37.29peterSdeadcat: that's your problem then, too many escape sequences to no purpose
05:37.41LightVisionpeterS:  ok!  so its grep --colour -i encrypt *
05:38.01deadcatpeterS: no. each does something. like color, non-ascii.
05:38.11nvzjust cant seem to get more than one good sleep in a night.. I got woke up like 2 hours ago and just cant seem to get back to the restful state I was in
05:38.13steve__thats what tcptracreroute returned
05:38.15steve__<PROTECTED>
05:38.15steve__<PROTECTED>
05:38.23peterSsteve__: STOP PASTING CRAP.  THANK YOU.
05:38.29steve__sorry
05:38.29bob2steve__: did you tell it to use port 22?
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05:38.43deadcatpeterS: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.bash_prompt
05:38.57LightVisiondeadcat:  ok thanks!  grep --colour -i $1 *   <-- this works :)
05:39.03peterSdeadcat: start by changing every \033 to \e, it's hurting my eyes
05:39.07steve__okay- i specified port 22
05:39.10steve__still open
05:39.15bob2awesome
05:39.19LightVisionpeterS: grep --colour -i $1 *   <-- this works good.
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05:39.47steve__okay- got somethoing
05:39.53steve__1  149.137.209.49  0.489 ms !A * 0.353 ms !A
05:40.12nvzsince I got woke to the news I guess I can bother you people with it too. My cousin got in a fight with a lawn mower and the lawn mower won. they woke me up to tell me they managed to reattach 3 of his 5 toes. I need to make it clear from now on I only get woke up for good news
05:40.24deadcatpeterS: but i cant even echo "^Nabc^O", it only shows abc, its suppose to show 3 non-ascii
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05:40.34bob2hah
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05:40.55peterSdeadcat: wait, this is under xterm or under linux console or under screen or what?
05:41.04steve__any ideas?
05:41.06steve__1  149.137.209.49  0.489 ms !A * 0.353 ms !A
05:41.11peterSdeadcat: I ask because the screenshot *looked* like screen in xterm
05:41.14deadcatpeterS: xterm, xterm+screen. console works fine
05:41.30deadcatpeterS: ya. thats screen in xterm
05:41.37asuffieldwith a prompt that crackful it probably only works in eterm and causes aterm to explode, or some shit like that
05:41.40peterSdeadcat: screen doesn't necessarily support vt100 graphics.  I wouldn't count on anything like that working
05:41.46ke6isfnvz: Dude, sucks to be your cousin.  Hope he feels better.
05:41.57deadcatpeterS: plain xterm doesnt work either.
05:42.01steve__nvz: that sucks man
05:42.24steve__nvz: i'll pray for your cousin
05:42.26nvzke6isf: yeah me too. they only fixed 3 of his damn toes then sent him home.. I guess chris rock is right.. you gotta have some coverage
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05:42.42nvzas he says coverage will save your life
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05:42.54peterSnvz: that does suck.  a friend of mine had a similar argument once and lost a couple of toes.  we visited him in the hospital, he said "it's good to see all of you", I replied "and it's good to see ... most of you"
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05:43.38nvzpeterS: heh. I bet he was thinking I'd kick you ass if I had all my toes, smart ass. :P
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05:43.51peterSnvz: nah he was in a good mood.  and high on painkillers.
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05:44.10nvzyeah hopefully they at least doped him up before they sent him home
05:44.18steve__when i got shot in the eye with a .22, i managed to get addicted to the painkillers
05:44.26steve__tell your cousin not to take them
05:44.44steve__espically dilaudid
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05:45.18steve__they totally mess your head up
05:45.25steve__like for 6 months afterward
05:45.28Quinn_Stormthanks for mentioning CIFS, it works without ANY tweaking, using security=share
05:45.30ke6isfnvz: Just outdid me gimping my finger last year when cooking a roast.
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05:45.43bongzillahow can i install java in apt-get?
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05:46.05ke6isf!tell bongzilla -about java
05:46.29ke6isfI just love the pre-packaged pre-frozen answers.  Just pull them out of dpkg, give 'em a !, and there you go.
05:47.09nvzI got addicted to some kind of meds when I was younger. I cant remember what I was taking or why.. but it was after I had cashed in one of my spare lives and came back to life when I was like 6 I went staggering into the hospital one day all drunk from the shit. they had to slowly take me off of it lowering the dose every few days
05:47.36steve__the worst is the little button to press
05:47.48steve__i was pressing it in my sleep
05:47.57steve__and my parents took it away
05:48.05smartbhaiis there anyone here who has sucessfully installed the via unichrome driver sucessfully on debian sarge
05:48.19steve__and i woke up and was ready to kill my parents for dilaudid
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05:48.34steve__i mean- morphine and dilaudid are like heroin
05:48.40steve__same opium plant
05:48.44steve__just a tad different
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05:49.31peterSsteve__: yeah and don't ever eat any vegetables from the nightshade family.  that's deadly too
05:49.44peterSlike, say, potatoes
05:49.44steve__nightshade?
05:49.54steve__huh?
05:50.07peterSnightshade is a deadly poison.  the same family of plants, though, includes potatoes
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05:50.20steve__what are you trying to say?
05:50.30peterSI'm saying "oh it's just like heroin only different" is meaningless
05:50.45steve__but it really IS heroin
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05:51.06steve__have you ever taken narcotics?
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05:51.14peterSnot that I recall
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05:51.27LightVisionim runnin Sarge and downloaded VIM, but it says this: grave bugs of vim (-> 1:6.3-071+1) <open>, vim(1 bug)
05:51.27LightVisionAre you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n)?
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05:51.41LightVisionis it not safe to install VIM?
05:51.41steve__heroin is synthetic narcotic, dilaudid is semi-synthetic, morphine is non synthetic
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05:51.52steve__they are all related
05:51.58tarzeauoh i missed half of the drug talk ;(
05:52.03peterSdilaudid is the opiate of the people
05:52.03nvzLightVision: that would be a lie, and also for you to decide
05:52.11mathieu_how do i remove unix end of lines in a text file using sed ?
05:52.11LightVisionnvz:  whats a lie?
05:52.14tarzeausteve__: and LSD?
05:52.24peterSmathieu_: don't use sed, just tr -d '\n'
05:52.24steve__peterS thinks morphine is significantly different from morphine and dilaudid
05:52.30tarzeaumathieu_: for which system?
05:52.31nvzLightVision: it would have also included a bug number.. then you would have looked up that bug and seen if it applies to the versions of packages you have and your arch
05:52.33steve__lsd is a totally different substance
05:52.38LightVisionnvz:  i typed apt-get install vim, and it says bug
05:52.39foozOpiate is the album of the Tool
05:52.48peterSzoof!
05:52.50steve__lsd is some crazy shit not at all related to narcotics
05:52.57mathieu_peterS, thanks
05:53.01LightVisionnvz:  where do I look that info up at?
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05:53.08nvzLightVision: often idiots will file bugs on stable when they are using several libs it depends on from other places.. and thus filing a useless bug
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05:53.20nvzLightVision: bugs.debian.org
05:53.24peterSmathieu_: that removes all newlines, as you asked for.  is that really what you wanted?
05:53.28foozlies.. debian has no bugs
05:53.34LightVisionnvz:  ok thanks
05:53.36tarzeaufooz: crap it's full of them
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05:53.40peterSfooz: zarro boogs found?
05:53.45foozzarro boogs.
05:53.45nvzLightVision: oh it has bugs.. they just have numbers..
05:53.48pa_rado_xghaaaaaa, grub restarts on boot up
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05:53.53pa_rado_xdebian is cursed
05:53.56peterSI hope debian never has zarro boogs found
05:53.57nvzs/LightVision//
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05:53.59peterSbecause I hate that bts
05:54.15foozi've got, like, 12098120398 firefox extensions loaded
05:54.18foozit's sweet
05:54.41ke6isfShit! It's the feeping creature!  RUN!
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05:54.57tarzeaufooz: is there an extension where you can tell it to open ps files directly in gv?
05:55.02nvzI doubt there are even 12million firefox extensions in existance
05:55.16peterSnvz: that's 12 billion to you, sonny
05:55.21pa_rado_xit says Grub and restarts
05:55.22ke6isf...sorry, feeling very silly right now.
05:55.33pa_rado_xsounds familiar anyone?
05:55.34fooztarzeau, nah but it should do that on its own
05:55.34LightVisionke6isf:  Hello :)
05:55.36peterSand fooz has THEM ALL
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05:55.41ke6isfEvening LightVision
05:55.42tarzeaufooz: what if it doesn't?
05:55.52tarzeaufooz: where the hell can i configure that in this crap of a browser?
05:55.52fooztarzeau, you misconfigured it
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05:55.58tarzeaufooz: not me, i don't use it
05:56.03tarzeaufooz: but some other crazy shit users
05:56.07foozheh
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05:56.18nvzfuck
05:56.22fooztarzeau, through mailcap like any browser
05:56.22tarzeaui use a high quality browser
05:56.23jm_tarzeau: unfortunatelly Firefox lacks proper mime type configuration, which is available in Mozilla
05:56.33tarzeaufooz: /etc/mailcap ?
05:56.33nvzjust got water all over the place.. and thats not good around all this electronics
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05:56.57peterSnvz: maybe you should go mow your yard
05:56.59fooztarzeau, yeah and update-mime
05:56.59tarzeaufooz: ok i'll try that
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05:57.17tarzeaujm_: i see so i should keep using mozilla until etch?
05:57.27tarzeaus/i/the other morons/g
05:57.31nvzmaybe I should not have had either a water balloon or broken glass on my desk
05:57.43peterSnvz: haha
05:57.48peterSyeah that could be a bad combination
05:57.50ke6isfnvz: That would have been clever.
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05:58.13jm_tarzeau: sometimes Firefox will ask you what to do with a file, and if gv is registered in mailcap (like fooz said), you should be able to select it from the menu and there's a checkbox to remember this setting
05:58.21peterSit's soft drink boy
05:58.49nimakwhat browser do you use?
05:58.53nimakanyone
05:58.59peterSelinks, galeon
05:59.07ke6isf!polls
05:59.08dpkg"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
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05:59.40nimakmeh, no one was asking any good questions
05:59.52foozthe problem with firefox is that all the themes suck rocks
05:59.56ke6isfnimak: It's a lull.  They're nice.
05:59.59foozexcept Pimpzilla
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06:00.11jm_I use default one but with smaller icons
06:00.14peterSis the pornzilla project still alive?
06:00.16nvzfigures what I would grab to clean up with is like 50% polyester and totally not absorbing the shit
06:00.29deepa_guys i have drivers for 3com usb wireless nic with .arm extension how do i install it????????????
06:00.41jm_deepspace: find a matching .leg file for it
06:00.46jm_deepa_ ^^^^^^
06:00.58peterSalso it helps to use more question marks
06:01.14ke6isf!arm
06:01.14dpkgi guess arm is Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/, or best supported in #debian-arm
06:01.38ke6isfjm_: Smartass. =^_^=
06:01.54peterSke6isf: you're just going mad with those knee-jerk factoids that aren't actually helpful, tonight, aren't you?
06:02.01deepa_jim:what do i do with this .arm file....???? it detectes the usb device
06:02.02nimaklinux+wifi sucks eggs
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06:02.29ke6isfpeterS: It would seem so. =O.o=  Unfortunately, it's antoher arm we want.
06:02.40nvzthere must be some law of universal stupidity that only important stuff ever gets wet in these situations :P
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06:03.00nimaknvz: i agree
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06:03.13michael_WiFi works fine for me on Debian, ... even better on Sarge.
06:03.37ke6isfnvz: It's the same law that dictates that bread, when buttered and dropped, lands buttered side down.
06:03.44nimakive had pretty good luck with wifi, but support is still lacking
06:03.59deepa_guys what is .arm extension
06:04.03LightVisionhow would I install flash support for firefox?
06:04.09nvzdeepa_: nothing
06:04.14bob2you wouldn't, if you can avoid it
06:04.19bob2since it makes firefox crasy
06:04.27nvzdeepa_: names of files by no means what so ever dictate the data therein
06:04.28LightVisionbob2:  ok, ill leave it then
06:04.37LightVisionbob2:  I dont really need flash anyone would I?
06:04.40nimakLightVision: download the extention, copy to the plugins directory
06:04.56nimakcopy the .so
06:04.57ke6isfdeepa_: What does 'file' say the file is?
06:05.04deepa_nvz:its a driver file for 3com usbwireless nic
06:05.05SerajewelKSnote to self: 'tar -cf' isn't the same thing as 'tar -xf'
06:05.34nvzI am up way too fucking early. after working hard to get back on a daylight schedule being up by 6am yesturday.. now here I am up at fucking 2am
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06:05.47ke6isfnvz: Go to bed!
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06:06.07nimakgiraffes sleep 2 hours a day
06:06.11nvzyeah right I went to bed at like 8pm and got woke at like 11:30 I am way rested after being up all day
06:06.30ke6isfnimak: Suffice it to say, I don't think nvz is a draft.
06:06.35ke6isfs/draft/giraffe
06:06.38ke6isfoy gevalt...
06:06.44nvznow I will be tired as hell around 2-4pm tomorrow and back on a fucked up schedule
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06:07.06nvzluckily its a damn holiday tomorrow and I dont have much of a chance of chasing dollars anyhow
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06:07.20Goetmetanyone familiar with mono developing ?
06:07.37ke6isf!tell Goetmet -about polls
06:07.55nvzdeepa_: I believe thats called firmware or such. if it were a driver it would not be on the device, it would be on the host system driving the device
06:08.00Goetmetwell, is win32exception supported by mono ?
06:08.18belracuA modern high performance PC motherboard has two GbE interfaces, and is acting as a bridge. The theoretical maximum bandwidth achievable across the bridge is 2Gbps. In practice only about one half of this is achieved. Why might this be?
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06:08.44bob2that seems reasonable
06:09.13nvzwhat that humans think and god laughs? :P
06:09.14deepa_nvz:what is this .arm file
06:09.31nvzdeepa_: its irrelevantly off-topic
06:09.33deepa_nvz: i have downloaded it from prism54usb site
06:09.38foozif I was more artistic, I'd make an Absolute Firefox theme
06:09.40foozbut i'm not :/
06:09.41nvzdeepa_: run file on it or ask the people you got it from
06:09.43bob2then read the website
06:09.55deepa_nvz:i wnat to install it on my debian system
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06:10.17deepa_nvz:as i have a wireless nic
06:10.21bob2deepa_: so, read the instructions
06:10.26ke6isfGoetmet: I'm having no luck searching mono's homepage.  MIght try google, or see if #mono can help.
06:10.28bob2some random  file is of no use to you
06:10.29SerajewelKSGoetmet, #debian-mono ?
06:10.33nvzdeepa_: guess what... I know you might not understand this but I dont care.
06:10.47Goetmetok, thank you ke6isf
06:10.54deepa_nvz:thks very much
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06:11.00nvzthis isnt #windows we dont guess at data by its filename and randomly associate programs to it
06:11.18deepa_i said its a driver file
06:11.21TwistedEmotionsanyone know how to get to thundercity server?
06:11.25ke6isfdeepa_: You never did tell us what kind of file 'file' says it is.
06:11.26deepa_for wireless usb nic
06:11.26bob2"driver file" means nothing
06:11.30bob2read the instructions
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06:11.34deepa_i have told
06:11.42john__anybody know a good gtk-theme to use?
06:11.44deepa_go through the conversation
06:11.51nvzdeepa_: I think you wouldnt know the difference between a driver and a passenger
06:12.00ke6isfdeepa_: You told us what is in the file, you didn't tell us what kind of file it is according to the unix 'file' command.  Do 'file filename' and tell us the result.
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06:12.40nvzits probably a 3rd party non-free binary firmware upgrade and not a driver at all.
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06:13.05ke6isfnvz: only info dpkg had on arm was useless to the context.  Meh, whatever.
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06:13.38bob2because .arm is not a useful or common file extension
06:13.54bob2and I find it highly unlikely that prism54.org does not document what to do with it
06:14.04ke6isfbob2: I like the other suggestion to find the matching .leg file myself. =^^=
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06:14.14nvzke6isf: if it were a "driver" which he obviously has no idea what that is. it would probably be source code possibly tarred that you could actually build a module from or some package containing windows drivers you could use with a wrapper
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06:15.06ke6isfnvz: Indeed.
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06:16.53LightVisionnvz:  I got the streaming radio working using kaffeine :)
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06:17.00deepaznvz, ke6isf:its output is data
06:17.06LightVisionDebian can do everything :)
06:17.28ke6isfdeepaz: Well, we knew that.... lemme see if I can find it.
06:17.48nimakwill deer park alpha and firefox 1.0.4 play nice on the same system?
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06:18.37deepazke6isf:its downloaded from http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/ this site
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06:18.57LightVisionwhats a good ASF player?
06:19.15ke6isfAccording to filext.com, it's either an Acorn ROM/Disk Image file, an Armadillo software protection system file, or a LICOM AlphaCAM Router Parmeter [sic] Macro file.
06:19.17foozI hear Windows Media Player works on those
06:19.33ke6isffooz: They do, but what about in Debian?
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06:19.48foozke6isf, tried the file command?
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06:20.01Langly1sorry, but I'm curious
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06:20.38ThaigerHow do I know if Direct Rendering is enabled?
06:20.40peterSLangly1: don't say sorry
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06:20.51peterSLangly1: just DON'T EFFFING DO THAT, EVER
06:20.58peterSLangly1: apologizing doesn't make it not-annoying
06:21.05nimakLightVision: i have had bad luck with ASF+linux, but give vlc a shot
06:21.08peterSLangly1: also, you obviously already knew this, yet you did it anyway
06:21.37Langly1I was too curious
06:21.42peterSLangly1: now go hax0r users in some other channel
06:21.42LightVisionnimak:  Im using Kaffeine and it only saves streams as ASF!  but no player I ever tried will play them back!  any reason why not?
06:21.54LightVisionnimak:  whats vlc?
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06:22.05peterSLangly1: if you didn't know it was wrong you wouldn't have said "sorry, but".  therefore you intentionally violated channel rules.  bad, bad
06:22.08Langly1I was just wondering which were the most popular and such
06:22.11foozThaiger, glxinfo
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06:22.26Langly1I didn't see it as "wrong" just mildly annoying
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06:22.42ke6isfLangly1: We don't like annoying.  At all.
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06:22.53peterSLangly1: when you version an entire channel the usual point is to find out who's running a vulnerable version of mirc or something, so you can expand your spambot network
06:22.58nimakLightVision: vlc is a video player, it plays everything video related
06:23.00Thaigerfooz: It says undefined symbol gluGetString.  What does that mean?
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06:23.16LightVisionnimak:  have you tried playing ASF with vlc?
06:23.19foozThaiger, probably that you're running nvidia drivers or something
06:23.22foozThaiger, are you?
06:23.22nimakyes
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06:23.37LightVisionnimak:  did it work? :)
06:23.49Thaigerfooz: should be fglrx or ati
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06:24.03nimaknot very well
06:24.08paulray11peterS: what does ctcp version do??? (obviously new to IRC)
06:24.12eugenesanhi all, do i have to restart bind for rotate it's logs?
06:24.14foozThaiger, try glxgears and see if it goes fast
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06:24.20LightVisionnimak:  ok
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06:24.30xhypnoWho here is good with mysql errors (install errors)?
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06:24.40Agrajag-just ask the question xhypno
06:24.43ke6isfpaulray11: It returns the IRC client version you are running, if you don't have it set not to.
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06:24.45peterSpaulray11: in this case, sends 500 messages back to Langly1 saying what version of what IRC clients we are all running, so he can figure out who to hax0r
06:24.51nvzLightVision: umm ok. I dont remember ever in my past 4 years here talking about streaming radio, and I have no idea what kaffine is
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06:25.18xhypnosudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
06:25.18xhypnoStarting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed.
06:25.18xhypno<PROTECTED>
06:25.18xhypno/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
06:25.18xhypnoerror: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
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06:25.19Thaigerfooz: slow 70fps
06:25.22LightVisionnvz: ok
06:25.26nimakLightVision: i find it unusual that a linux program naturally saves anything as ASF
06:25.27foozThaiger, then you don't have acceleration
06:25.31peterSpaulray11: you can tell your client to lie, and I have done so, but unsolicited /version is still considered hostile around here.  especially when you do it to a whole channel at once
06:25.35LightVisionnvz:  kaffeine is a media player for debian
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06:25.43Thaigerfooz: I put load DRI in my XF86Config-4, what else do I need to do?
06:25.44ke6isfnvz: It's a media player for KDE.
06:25.50LightVisionnvz:  and im using kaffeine to play streaming radio
06:25.56foozi version peterS in private
06:26.00foozThaiger, you need to ask ATI
06:26.04paulray11peterS: thanks. how many different IRC clients are there likely to be? A hacker could just choose ksirc and probably hit a lot of folks.
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06:26.08LightVision!apt
06:26.08dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.'
06:26.09foozThaiger, since you're using their drivers, not ours
06:26.09Thaigerfooz: OK thanks
06:26.20LightVision!dpkg
06:26.20dpkgi guess dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend
06:26.21nimakwill kaffeine play asf?
06:26.23torhamI have a laptop here that renders hebrew _very_ slowly on webpages, in firefox and opera, anyone have any ideas?
06:26.33ke6isf!tell LightVision -about msg the bot
06:26.35pa_rado_xquestion, can i get somehow to a prompt, from the installation cd
06:26.35nvzif you are getting 70fps without accell I will trade you video cards. a lot of games I played even when I had a decent video card like nVidia 5200FX Ultra I was lucky to get much more than 70fps
06:26.41peterSpaulray11: there are dozens.  in this channel, if you count irssi, bitchx, xchat, chatzilla, you will hit most of us
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06:26.51Thaigerfooz: I was using the other one but it was only like 250fps for glxgears, so I thought if I went w/ theirs it would be faster
06:26.53fooznvz, in glxgears?
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06:26.58LightVisionke6isf:  thanks
06:27.01nvzglxgears isnt shit
06:27.06xhypnoSep  5 02:25:01 localhost /etc/init.d/mysql[4517]: 0 processes alive and '/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in
06:27.10pa_rado_xi installed the system but it doesn't boot
06:27.15pa_rado_xcan i check it out somehow
06:27.19foozThaiger, it should be like, 2000 fps with an accelerated card
06:27.20paulray11peterS: thanx again. learn something every day here.
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06:27.39ke6isfLightVision: No, thank *you*.
06:27.40pa_rado_xcan i boot of the installation cd
06:27.43bongzillahow can i install java in my debian?
06:27.44nimakwtf is up with people and wanting a vigintillion FPS, your eyes cant tell the differance beyond 16
06:27.53cheal!topicsmite bongzilla
06:27.53dpkgAnd the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bongzilla.  And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken.  And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
06:27.58nvzmy S3 ProSuckage could probably do 12billion fps in damn glxgears its just a 64x64 pixel animation or some shit.. not transparency no shading, no nothing.
06:28.03Thaigerfooz: Yeah, thats what people have been telling me, thats why I switched drivers
06:28.03fooznimak, what do you mean "your eyes"
06:28.03peterSnimak: not true, you can tell up to 50 or so
06:28.07fooznimak, mine can
06:28.07ke6isf!tell bongzilla -about java
06:28.11ke6isf...again
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06:28.21foozThaiger, well you have to install it and configure it properly
06:28.21peterSnimak: beyond that, they want a zillion FPS in a simple benchmark so they'll get a good 50 or more in a complex game
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06:28.38ke6isfbongzilla: Read what dpkg told you, and follow the instructions as applicable.
06:28.52nimakthe average human cant detect beyond 16
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06:29.09peterSnimak: now I know that's not true.  movies run at 24 and it's not hard to tell that they're stop-action
06:29.09fooznimak, anyway the point is to get your peak FPS as high as you can, so your minimum FPS stays above 60, so you don't get killed by lag
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06:29.37bongzillai dont get it
06:29.43nvzI can definatly tell the difference between 300fps in a game and 16fps. cause at 16fps the server is giving me lag warnings and shit is all choppy and moving slow as hell
06:30.03nimakinteresting
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06:30.17bongzillahow to install java?
06:30.17samuelgees.... how long is the debian ban list! wow
06:30.18ke6isfbongzilla: What's not to get? /msg dpkg java
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06:30.28nimaktuxracer seems lifelike for me at about 16
06:30.29bongzillai already msg him
06:30.33nvzyou need at least 50fps for most games to even function
06:30.35peterSsamuel: yeah, dondelelcaro cleans out the dynamic IP addresses from it every so often
06:30.36bongzillahe didn't answer
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06:30.40ke6isfbongzilla: dpkg is a bot.
06:30.46Agrajag-nimak: what are you on about above 16 - that's complete rubbish
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06:30.56ke6isfbongzilla: If you send dpkg something that it won't understand, it won't respond.
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06:31.05nimaki really didnt mean to start a flame war
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06:31.12rza_can i change source ip in iptables prerouting chain?
06:31.13Agrajag-there's a big difference between things like movies (which have motion blur) and things like computer games (which don't)
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06:31.14ke6isfbongzilla: So then, if you follow the instructions therein, you'll get somewhere.
06:31.19bongzillaok
06:31.21fooznimak, don't go spreading false facts around people who know better then :P
06:31.25bongzillacan you help me?
06:31.28samuelpeterS, i see....most of them i imagine are compromised computers of some sort
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06:31.38Agrajag-which is why a movie at 24fps looks fine whereas a game at 24fps doesn't
06:31.39peterSnimak: it's also a sensitive subject to call into question why the elite gamers just spent all that money on brand new video cards if they won't be able to tell the difference (:
06:31.42ke6isfbongzilla: Nope.  I don't have Java installed.
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06:31.55peterSsamuel: not always, many are just annoying people
06:32.01bongzillai need java to run other programs
06:32.02nvzwell to change the subject from flamewars.. I wonder why I can stand on a scale with 10lbs of food and weigh 10lbs more then eat it all and not weigh 10lbs more.. puzzles the shit out of me
06:32.08samuellol
06:32.19bongzillahow can i ask the bot?
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06:32.27mike_upgrading to kernel 2.6.11.. i'll just talk to you guys in here cause im bored
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06:32.28bongzillawhat will i msg to the bot
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06:32.41nimakok, at some point im going to connect an LED to my laptop's audio out, and generate differant wave forms/frequecies, and see if at what point people call it "blinking"
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06:32.48Agrajag-nvz: perhaps moving your mouth and having your stomach do it's stuff uses some of that 10lbs :P
06:32.54bongzillapeople
06:32.58bongzillaneed help here
06:33.08peterSnimak: poor test, the LED won't be precise enough
06:33.11foozi should've sold my powerbook when they were worth money :/
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06:33.23peterSnimak: it won't fade all the way out or all the way on within 1/60 of a second
06:33.25fidgethah .. i'll buy it from yeah fooz ; P
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06:33.28ke6isf...oy gevalt.  It is ALWAYS September somewhere out here.
06:33.31peterSwell, some might
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06:33.32fidget10 dolla?
06:33.35nvzAgrajag-: "uses" where the hell does it go.. call me ignorant, but afaik if I am not on the shitter I dont see how I am loosing anything
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06:33.56nimakphosphors in your monitor are slower than an LED
06:34.11Agrajag-nvz: err you dont think you're using up energy unless you're on the toilet?
06:34.24Agrajag-how about sweat? growing cells?
06:34.25peterSnvz: you sweat some body mass out.  but most of it is eliminated the classic way
06:34.33ke6isfbongzilla: /msg dpkg java licensing
06:34.36Agrajag-you're constantly making more cells and losing dead ones
06:34.37ke6isfbongzilla: /msg dpkg install java
06:34.37peterSAgrajag-: using up energy != getting lighter
06:34.40Agrajag-your bones are growing
06:34.45xsquared<PROTECTED>
06:34.48peterSAgrajag-: he's talking about mass, not calories
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06:34.54Agrajag-wellmaybe not any more :P
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06:35.13ke6isfbongzilla: Follow instructions and links (use your browser) as necessary.
06:35.19nimakweight is released in the form of CO2, from all the burnt lipids
06:35.22peterSAgrajag-: since you don't have any nuclear reactions inside your body, the law of conservation of mass holds
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06:35.33ke6isfxsquared: might wanna remove that leading space....
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06:35.42nvzyeah well the way I see it, If I eat a 10lb turkey and I run around the block 400times all I should do is gain muscle or something.. the weight shouldnt just dissapate into thin air
06:35.44bongzilladpkg won't reponds
06:35.50xsquaredke6isf: lol
06:35.51Agrajag-yeah, i was talking more the co2 thing
06:35.56xsquaredke6isf: i was testing dpkg
06:36.01xsquaredke6isf: it aint respondin
06:36.07peterSnvz: some of it *does* dissipate into thin air, the carbon from the CO2 you breathe out
06:36.23Agrajag-nvz: you dont sweat?
06:36.23nimakbongzilla: its well documented
06:36.27markoHi sorry to bug guys, is something happening this evening with the debian mirrors? My download to a number of different sites is very slow when trying to access packages.
06:36.35bongzillaits not
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06:36.44ke6isf!troll bongzilla
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06:36.55bongzillaok
06:37.10bongzillathanks guys
06:37.16bongzillayou're so helpful
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06:37.23bongzilladebian community
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06:37.25CokepeterS: what law is that?
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06:37.35Agrajag-bongzilla: how is anyone supposed to help you if you don't aska question?
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06:37.39ke6isfbongzilla: Are you being deliberately dense?
06:37.44peterdoes anyone know how to use a proxy wiht bitchx
06:37.45nvznimak: don't mind that asshole, he's always talking shit behind my back ;)
06:37.58foozba-dum tssh
06:38.05nimakhaha
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06:38.09xsquaredpeter: its called psyBNC
06:38.11ke6isfAgrajag-: He did.  Thrice to install Java, twice of which I responded by having dpkg tell him about java.  He can't figure out how to operate the bot - or so it seems.
06:38.21peterSCoke: the law of conservation of mass?  a special case of the law of conservation of energy.  matter is not created or destroyed, except in nuclear reactions.  without those, you always end up with the same mass you started with
06:38.41peterxsquared i download this packagE?
06:38.47xsquaredpeter: yes
06:38.49xsquaredpeter: apt-get
06:38.54peterthx
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06:38.58xsquarednp
06:39.00peterStoo many peters
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06:39.12ke6isfpeterS: Maybe we should call you all Bruce.
06:39.21peterShmmm.
06:39.21xsquaredi agree
06:39.25paulray11Is there a command to force drop my WAN ip and force ISP to assign a new one... besides recycling the DSL modem?
06:39.25chealbongzilla: are you authentificated to nickserv?
06:39.26ice_1963lol
06:39.35peterSke6isf: this is my brother Darrell and this is my other brother Darrell
06:39.39jm_peterS: what kind of proxy? you can find LD_PRELOADABLE libraries that support socks, http, csm, regular bouncers and wingate proxies
06:39.48jm_ups that was for peter ;)
06:39.52foozpaulray11, no
06:39.54peterSheh, he left
06:39.58xsquaredjm_: peter is long gone
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06:40.00xsquaredlol
06:40.02CokepeterS: I thought energy could never be destroyed, only transformed
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06:40.06bongzillathanks DEBIAN community, you're so helpful
06:40.18peterSCoke: correct.  but the same is true of matter, if you know there will be no nuclear reactions
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06:40.26fidgetanytime bongzilla..
06:40.27foozThank U DEBAIN I'm Always give you my Love!
06:40.28ke6isfbongzilla: Yes, we are, when you wish to be helped.  HAND.
06:40.29paulray11fooz: A re-sync of the modem should do it right?
06:40.29peterSCoke: such as inside the human body
06:40.37bongzillareally helpful
06:40.38chealbongzilla: thanks for not answering our questions too
06:40.40Cokebongzilla is giving all pot heads a bad rap.
06:40.44bongzillaso helpful
06:40.53foozpaulray11, you can't "force" anything. anything that happens, happens due to your ISP choosing to
06:40.56peterSbongzilla: dude, shut up already.  you made your point.
06:41.06nimakwtf, bongzilla, reply to my PM
06:41.09foozpaulray11, if your ISP happens to give you a new IP if you unplug your modem, then good for you
06:41.10fidgetsame..
06:41.30pa_rado_xi have a problem installing debian, can someone help
06:41.36xsquaredpa_rado_x: how?
06:41.37nvznimak: are you identified?
06:41.39pa_rado_xgrub shows one line
06:41.41pa_rado_xand then restarts
06:41.49nimakwhat, nvz?
06:41.51ke6isfAh, time to do laundry
06:41.54peterSI foresee bongzilla being one of those anonymous dudes on zdnet forums.  "Debian community support is so terrible, they don't answer my questions no matter how much I whine about it"
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06:41.58pa_rado_xit says "grub 1.5" and then the machine reboots
06:41.59nvznimak: you cannot just /msg people on freenode
06:42.03paulray11fooz: ok. thanks. I thought it was an automatic drop of the IP when you kill modem and you would get a new one when it comes back on.
06:42.05nimaki think so
06:42.09nimaki will try again
06:42.10foozpeterS, except without capitals or punctuation
06:42.15peterSfooz: right, well.
06:42.18bongzillawow, that's so helpful
06:42.18paulray11fooz: didn't know you could get the same one.
06:42.26foozpaulray11, it's all up to their DHCP server
06:42.30paulray11fooz: no big deal. just curious. thanks again.
06:42.33peterSbongzilla: DUDE.  YOU SAID THAT ALREADY.  give it a rest.
06:42.42ke6isfpeterS: Dude, just /ignore him.
06:42.45nimakok, i am now +oe, will it work?
06:42.45pa_rado_xso is there anyway to debug the booter
06:42.57nimaknvz: ^
06:42.59Cokebongzilla: what is your question?
06:43.14peterSCoke: he wants to install java and he was told to /msg dpkg and he says he can't
06:43.21bongzillacopy paste to all community
06:43.27chealhe said he had no reply from dpkg
06:43.29ke6isfCoke: I also had dpkg tell him about java.  Twice.
06:43.35peterSCoke: best guess is he hasn't figured out how to find /msg windows in his irc client
06:43.44Cokein that case, there's only one thing to do.
06:43.46nvznimak: *shrug* I am not a wizard at this stuff. any number of things can stop a msg the server blocks them now, as well as the users client
06:43.48jm_there are too many morons who don't get reply from dpkg, it's because they have no clue about their IRC client
06:43.53cheal!tell yoman about dpkg
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06:44.05Cokebongzilla: I recommend you use Fedora or SuSE. They live in #fedora and #suse. Good luck!
06:44.15foozbongzilla, or Windows (#windows)
06:44.21bongzillacool
06:44.21peterShey we could tell him about ubuntu.....
06:44.24ke6isfI've already tested it.  It's not a case of (un)registered nicks and msging.
06:44.26CokeYes, Windows is better for him.
06:44.32bongzillathat would be nice
06:44.34bongzillathanks
06:44.38CokepeterS: no, no... Ubuntu still has some OS left in it.
06:44.46ke6isfCoke: Well, he figured out how to install Debian, so he can't be *that* dumb.
06:44.52pa_rado_xhahaha
06:44.54pa_rado_xi haven't
06:44.55peterSke6isf: yeah, debian is so hard to install these days
06:45.01Cokeke6isf: Debian is about half the trouble Windows is when it comes to installing
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06:45.03sepke6isf, installing debian is easy, even my mother do that
06:45.05peterSke6isf: I think you still have to hit Enter like a dozen times
06:45.10fidgeto.O not really
06:45.12nimaklol, victimizing others is such fun
06:45.14LightVisionanyone tried kxdocker?
06:45.15nvzif you have a finger and an enter key and you can make them meet, you can install debian
06:45.20bongzillathanks
06:45.22foozhe could've paid a crack team of Debian installfest competitors to install it for him
06:45.22ke6isfpeterS: I think I did that a total of five, and one was after telling it my IP address.
06:45.23nvzmy cat could install debian.
06:45.27fidgetit didn't use to be like that though
06:45.28Cokenvz: good one.
06:45.28fooznvz, my cat has
06:45.29pa_rado_xdamn you guys
06:45.30LightVisionCoke:  I agree
06:45.35Cokenvz: can I use that on my website? :)
06:45.50ke6isfnvz: My cat doesn't care.  She ahs better things to do.  Like find the warm spot atop my monitor on the computer that uses Debian. =^_^=
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06:45.56johnWhat's a good gtk-theme to use.. and where can i get said theme.. i just did a fresh install and i forgot what i was using.. this looks nasty tho :(
06:45.57nvzCoke: sure whatever pulls your bandwagon
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06:46.05ice_1963that bot is not working /msg dpkg java
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06:46.11valdyn_john: clearlooks, its in debian too
06:46.15peterSpa_rado_x: the thing is, none of us can debug a boot loader, in the general case.  we're all afraid that if we give you hints about what to try, we'll be stuck trying to get grub to work over irc, which is a great deal harder than getting it to work sitting in front of a console
06:46.22ke6isfice_1963: Works for me.
06:46.25ice_1963that's why
06:46.29pa_rado_xthanks dude
06:46.31markoOn a side note is there something happening to ftp3.nrc.ca. I'm using a minimal install CD but can't download any additional packages, the connection drops?
06:46.33valdyn_john: unless you are talking gtk1
06:46.35ice_1963not me
06:46.38pa_rado_xi just wanted an answer
06:46.38nvzke6isf: your cat must be overfed. they get lazy when they arent busy getting in your face cause they want food.
06:46.39chealice_1963: are you authentificated to nickserv?
06:46.51LightVisionke6isf:  a friend of mine had his cat sleep under the car, and in morning he backed out and the cat died. poor thing
06:46.54pa_rado_xcan i wipe the booter though if i format
06:46.55peterSpa_rado_x: so what's your question then?  the only one I saw was "how do you debug a boot loader"
06:46.57ke6isfnvz: What? You mean taht's not affection?...
06:47.02ice_1963and i know how to install java
06:47.10ke6isfLightVision: Moral: don't keep the cat outside.
06:47.12nvzke6isf: a cat that isnt ready to expload will most definatly be right in the middle of whatever you are doing
06:47.25johnvaldyn_, can i pm you?
06:47.29CokeI _wish_ I didn't know anything about Java.
06:47.39valdyn_!msg
06:47.39dpkg(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first.  Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received.  (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff.  They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'.  (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).
06:47.43valdyn_john: no
06:47.44pa_rado_xi went through the installation and the comp restarts at reaching grub
06:47.44ke6isfnvz: Heh, they seem so playful too...
06:47.59pa_rado_xmy question is how to get my Debian running
06:48.01samuelice_1963, you do? really? are you serious?
06:48.03ke6isfAnyway, laudnry needs doing.
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06:48.06samuel:)
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06:48.10LightVisionke6isf:  yeah
06:48.15valdyn_john: see 2nd part of point (1) )
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06:48.20ice_1963yes i am
06:48.22ke6isfpa_rado_x: Riddle me this, before I go, where did you install Grub?
06:48.28Cokepa_rado_x: just let grub start it for you
06:48.32johnokay well, i installed gtk-theme-switch and that clearlooks theme.. but it's not showing up in gtk-theme-switch, PLUS, when i try to switch via gtk-theme switch i get errors
06:48.34samuel:)
06:48.43ke6isfCoke: He can't get past the bootloader, that's the problem.
06:48.46pa_rado_xi didn't tell it to install anywhere
06:48.54pa_rado_xit was automatics
06:49.09valdyn_john: gtk-theme-switch for gtk1 is a horrible mess if used together with gnome and/or kde, clearlooks does not exist for gtk1
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06:49.11pa_rado_xi never get to anything
06:49.15fidgetnmap -sS 0.0.0.0 | less
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06:49.19fidgetack .. sorry ..
06:49.19pa_rado_xi get one text line from grubs and then restart
06:49.27jm_pa_rado_x: reinstall GRUB
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06:49.30ke6isfpa_rado_x: Yes, you've mentioned that numerous times.
06:49.37pa_rado_xsorry someone asked
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06:49.44johnvaldyn_, what do you suggest i use?
06:49.50ke6isfpa_rado_x: Which media did you use, netinst or the install CDs?
06:49.56pa_rado_xinstall DVD
06:50.04valdyn_john: no idea, i dont use any gtk1 app anymore.
06:50.21johnit's gtk2 i believe
06:50.26pa_rado_xi was messing with it a lot earlier trying to get RAID
06:50.35ke6isfpa_rado_x: Should install into /dev/hd0 or the boot sector of the first drive or something.
06:50.36pa_rado_xbut now i just need to run it , even off one HDD
06:50.50valdyn_john: for gtk2 use the gnome-theme-manager
06:50.56nvzdpkg, no windows is In a world of free software, there are no fences or walls. So who needs Gates and Windows?
06:50.58dpkgnvz: okay
06:51.11johneven if i run flux?
06:51.40ben_hwe need gates
06:51.47ben_heveryone needs comic releif every now and then
06:51.48fidgethah nice nvz
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06:52.08valdyn_john: fluxbox works with gnome just fine, but if you do not use gnome-session, then you could use gtk2-theme-switch
06:52.12X2hi, guys
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06:52.37nimakok, i installed qvwm, and gdm doesnt like it
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06:52.49nimakit isnt in the sessions list
06:52.51fidgetdoes anyone use EvilWM here?
06:52.53sepfarrow, when you load the modules you should get the device. look in dmesg or in ifconfig -a
06:52.53ben_hfarrow: run dmesg in a console, it should have some messages relating to the modem
06:52.55sepafaik
06:52.59ben_hthat may lead you to discover the device
06:53.01valdyn_john: oh, could it be that you never used the gtk2-theme-switch ?
06:53.04nvzI modified the wrong factoid..
06:53.14ice_1963i use icewm and Gnome the Best :0)
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06:53.17ben_hfarrow: also there's a package called adsl-setup i think, that helps
06:53.21johnvaldyn_: could be ;/
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06:53.38valdyn_john: alright, that's your error then.
06:53.39nimakhow do i start qvwm?
06:53.41CokeI'm very happy that Microsoft is the industry leader size-wise, otherwise the free software community would have to face off with capable opponents.
06:53.44nvzdpkg, no windows is PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows they don't work.
06:53.44dpkgnvz: okay
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06:54.05nvzI meant to edit the gates factoid I made earlier not the windows one
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06:54.09johnit's not in my apt repository
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06:54.15fidgetanyone run OSX86?
06:54.26nimakhas anyone here ever touched qvwm?
06:54.28peterSfidget: not in #debian, we run debian
06:54.31Cokefidget: is it possible?
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06:54.41fidgetah it is .. via vmware I do believe
06:54.47fidgetwell you can run vmware in debian .. so ..
06:54.57peterSwhy would you take a perfectly good debian machine and run OS X on it?
06:55.03fidgetto say ..
06:55.11Coke!tell fidget about enter
06:55.19samuelto use gtk2 themes in, say, e17 i need to start gnome-session-properties when in e? or just gnome-session ?
06:55.23nvzyou can fuck a rattlesnake, but that doesnt make it a good fucking idea.
06:55.26fidgetmy computer can run win xp , 98 , NT, 95 AND mac osx
06:55.33valdyn_samuel: no
06:55.39peterSfidget: you get a gold star
06:55.47peterSfidget: but why would you want to run any of those?
06:55.50chealerplus a format
06:55.50fidgetthank you coke
06:55.55valdyn_samuel: if you do not use gnome ( mainly gnome-session of gnome ), then you can use gtk2-theme-switch to change themes
06:55.56samuelvaldyn_, ?
06:56.03fidgetyour taking all the fun out of it! don't question it!
06:56.03nimakwhat is the free equivalent of vmware?
06:56.08farrowok ran dmesg and it reports found new usb full speed device and an address number, then it mentions that it has found the modem firmware
06:56.09peterSfidget: oh, ok
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06:56.19farrowno mention of a device associated with it tho
06:56.23samuelvaldyn_, thank you.
06:56.47nvzdpkg, osx?
06:56.47dpkgfrom memory, osx is a nice mum-and-dad-grade unix
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06:57.00valdyn_samuel: you might probably loose the instant part of theme switching, dont remember, not like its a big deal anyway.
06:57.01nimakosx isnt a unix
06:57.11peterSwell, *my* computer can run debian, freebsd and SCO OpenServer!
06:57.11LightVisionanyone using Enlightenment DR17 under Sarge?
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06:57.13fidgetbased on it
06:57.13valdyn_nimak: it is.
06:57.15nvznimak: oh what is it a BSD?
06:57.18peterSit doesn't, but I imagine it could.
06:57.21kl1hi, any one knows whas the mouse type for a laptop?
06:57.24messer_lsls
06:57.42chealerkl1, which kernel?
06:57.48peterSkl1: typically PS/2
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06:57.58nvznimak: where did BSD come from? not from the code AT&T stole from Berkeley and called unix?
06:58.10kl1peterS dev/input/mice?
06:58.17nvzhmm I am noticing a trail leading back to unix here
06:58.20peterSkl1: depends.  answer chealer's question
06:58.26kl1chealer i dont know
06:58.27samuelvaldyn_, thanks for the info.
06:58.32farrowfidget: ok ran dmesg and it reports found new usb full speed device and an address number, then it mentions that it has found the modem firmware
06:58.33peterSkl1: run 'uname -r'
06:58.40kl1ok
06:58.45nimaknvz: its doesnt pass certification
06:58.47farrowfidget: no mention of a device associated with it tho
06:58.58nvznimak: its OSX ffs :P
06:59.03fidgeti'm sorry? I'm confused farrow ... were you talking to me before?
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06:59.25farrowi asked about adsl modem and you told me to run dmesg
06:59.37fidgetah ..but I didn't =P
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06:59.43fidgetdoesn't even know what dmesg is =P
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06:59.57kl1chealer kernel 2.4.27
07:00.08peterSkl1: then device /dev/psaux, protocol PS/2
07:00.09farrowah so you didnt, sorry, my mistake :)
07:00.10jm_he also doesn't know who he talked to ;)
07:00.12ben_hfarrow: that was me
07:00.16valdyn_farrow: an usb adsl modem?
07:00.21chealerkl1, sorry, I'm not sure
07:00.28kl1peterS ok =)
07:00.30nvznimak: there are crazy people in this world who dont have certification either.. they are still fucking nuts.. with or without the papers
07:00.31farrowyes its a usb one, using the conexant accessrunner driver
07:01.03farrowall indications are that they are talking to each other, but i dont know how to set it up as a usable device
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07:01.12nimaknvz, whatever, apple has gotten their act together
07:01.17peterSfarrow: try running 'pppoeconf'
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07:01.17fidgeti'm off for the night/morning later days
07:01.24nvzdpkg, whatever?
07:01.24dpkgmethinks whatever is the last word of the loser of an argument
07:01.30samuelvaldyn_, i must be stupid or something, but is gtk2-theme-switch a package?
07:01.39peterSfarrow: or hmmm, maybe that won't work for USB ADSL modems.  it might be specific to the ones you plug in via ethernet
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07:01.40nvzI'm just fuckin with you calm down ;)
07:01.42valdyn_!info gtk-them-switch
07:01.43marko01010hi dpkg
07:01.45jm_samuel: /msg dpkg search
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07:02.01tarzeaujm_: what if the user migrated his old mozilla config, and the menu doesn't reappear?
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07:02.04farrowyeah pppoeconf comes back with just my ethernet card
07:02.19valdyn_samuel: its part of the package gtk-theme-switch
07:02.20farrowi think this uses pppoa?
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07:02.26jm_tarzeau: that's when you start to hate the fact Firefox is missing that configuration screen in Preferences ;)
07:02.34peterSfarrow: right, probably uses pppoa, and offhand I don't know how to set that up
07:02.44valdyn_!pppoa
07:02.48nimakanywho, has anyone played with qvwm?
07:02.49samuelvaldyn_, jm_, thanks! there it is!
07:02.53tarzeauwhat a crap of software
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07:03.06WiFiTuxis it me or shutdown is all wrong? I did shutdown -hP -t secs: 1200 and wants to halt in 1200 minutes, but should be Seconds?
07:03.15tarzeaujm_: the mailcap wants to open it with gnome-gv, and i want pdf be opened with acroread ... hmm
07:03.15peterSfarrow: ethernet-connected USB modems are usually the same price so there's pretty much zero reason to get a USB one, if you know the difference at the time you're ordering it
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07:03.30peterSWiFiTux: correct, shutdown operates in minutes
07:03.30tarzeaujm_: so i'll suggest them to use mozilla again
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07:04.00WiFiTuxpeterS: then why would it want the value in seconds? and then inperpret secs: at seconds!?
07:04.07WiFiTuxas minutes actually
07:04.16peterSWiFiTux: documentation error.  where did you read this?  it's wrong.
07:04.18farrowyeah i would rather have an ethernet one but i have this now, had it for a while, wasnt planning on using it in linux but now i need to. according to the accessrunner site my modem is known to work with this driver
07:04.23farrowi just have no idea how to set it up
07:04.29WiFiTuxpeterS: is syntax. try it
07:04.33jm_tarzeau: what's set in mailcap file?
07:04.53peterSWiFiTux: again.  where did you read that you should specify a number of seconds?
07:04.53WiFiTuxdebian:/home/abonilla# shutdown -hP -t secs: 1200
07:04.54tarzeauapplication/ghostview; gnome-gv '%s'; description="postscript document"; test=te
07:04.54tarzeaust "$DISPLAY" != ""
07:05.01WiFiTuxThe system is going DOWN for system halt in 1200 minutes!
07:05.07tarzeaujm_: same with application/postscript
07:05.19valdyn_WiFiTux: 'shutdown -hP -t 1200 now'
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07:05.20jm_tarzeau: there you go, you could modify that or set it in ~/.mailcap for them
07:05.27WiFiTuxpeterS: shudown -h tells you to use secs! and the command is secs:
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07:05.33tarzeaujm_: we don't touch user config files, so i'll try it systemwide
07:05.41peterSWiFiTux: oh, -t is something different.  you normally don't need it.
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07:05.45chealermombof, debian ships everything
07:05.45jm_tarzeau: well tell them to do it then
07:05.52peterSWiFiTux: just shutdown -hP 20
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07:05.55peterSwhich is in minutes
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07:06.14valdyn_WiFiTux: why would you write "secs:" there?
07:06.22peterSWiFiTux: also, I think -P is the default, so just -h should do the same as -hP
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07:06.45kl1peterS is working now, thank you =D
07:06.50peterSkl1: good, googd
07:06.52peterSgood
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07:07.14FallOnMeIs there a generic way to know the name of the package in a shell function used in postinst?
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07:07.26peterSFallOnMe: a shell function?  wtf?
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07:07.37xsquaredhow do you set the framebuffer?
07:07.39sepWiFiTux, -t secs is not the time to wait for shutdown, it's the time in secs between the warning and the kill signal when going down. you dont need that,
07:07.47peterSFallOnMe: oh, you need to know the name of the package, in your postinst script, and you don't want to just hardcode the name in the script?
07:07.54FallOnMepeterS: yes.
07:07.57sepWiFiTux, and it's all in the manpage,
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07:08.11peterSFallOnMe: don't know offhand.  I'd normally just hardcode it
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07:08.19Manoj_I just set $package to the right value at the top of all my maintainer scripts
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07:08.22nvzwhy the hell wouldnt you just put the name in there..
07:08.37nvzyou are packaging the script with the package. wheres the guess work
07:08.57peterSnvz: for a package like glibc, where the same library is named 'libc6' or 'libc6.1' on different architectures, you might want to share a postinst script in your source tree
07:09.13LightVisioni just downloaded flash for firefox!  how do i install it?  Dol I type ./flashplayer-installer ?
07:09.37peterSLightVision: I'd do 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
07:09.52nvzpeterS: sounds to me like you answered the question :P
07:10.05LightVisionpeterS:  great ill do that
07:10.11nvzpeterS: I was just leading the cow to water.. you made if do the backstroke
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07:10.16nvzs/if/it/
07:10.36LightVisionpeterS: it said; apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
07:10.38xsquaredis vga=791  mean 1024x768  frambuffer?
07:10.55nvzif you can imagine a case where such a thing is used, you can just look at that.
07:10.55LightVisionpeterS: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
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07:11.10sepLightVision, you have non-free and contrib sources ?
07:11.10peterSLightVision: oh, you need 'contrib' in /etc/apt/sources.list, on the same line that ends with 'main'
07:11.36peterSLightVision: so it'll say "deb http://something-something-something stable main contrib"
07:11.38LightVisionsep:  what exactly is nonfree?  is that non free software stored there?
07:11.43FallOnMexsquared: yes, 16bpp 1024x768
07:11.53sepnonfree
07:11.56sep!nonfree
07:11.56dpkgnon-free is, like, always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm
07:11.58xsquaredFallOnMe: Thanks :)
07:11.58LightVisionpeterS:  i dont understand
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07:12.04peterSLightVision: /etc/apt/sources.list
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07:12.12peterSLightVision: edit that file.  add "contrib" to the line I described.
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07:12.26Manoj_nvz, I also have a common script that is used by all of my packges, so it is better not to hard code stuff in the script; thus I use the variable $package
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07:12.30peterSLightVision: then 'apt-get update'.  then flashplugin-nonfree should be available
07:12.32LightVisionpeterS:  ok
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07:13.04nvzManoj_: is that variable automatically defined in the environment or did you have to set it?
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07:13.15LightVisionpeterS:  the only http like I have in sources.list is "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main"
07:13.27peterSLightVision: right so add 'contrib' to that line
07:13.31Manoj_I set it at the top of all my maintainer scripts; so the comman script can just use it
07:13.34LightVisionpeterS:  at the end of it?
07:13.38peterSyes
07:13.39FallOnMexsquared: 773 is 8bpp (might be faster)  These numbers are from linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt
07:13.42LightVisionok ty
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07:13.53sepi have been running official bind nameservers a few years. i notice in sarge there is a pdns (powerdns server) that allow you to store your zones in mysql. have anyone had any experience in useing pdns, is it as stable and easy to use as bind. ?
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07:14.09nvzManoj_: maybe you could explain how you do this to FallOnMe who wanted to know
07:14.28LightVisionpeterS:  so what exactly did adding contrib do?
07:14.54FallOnMenvz: I have common code for several scripts, it would be nice if there was a way not to hardcode.
07:15.05peterSLightVision: makes available the repository of packages, such as flashplugin-nonfree, which are useless without software which debian does not ship, such as the flash plugin
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07:15.55Manoj_FallOnMe, so set a vasriable in maintainer scripts, and use the variable in the common code
07:16.04peterSLightVision: I know that's a bit of a mouthful, read it twice if you have to.  but debian can't ship the official Multimedia Flash plugin, because they don't make their source code available under a free license.  but debian *can* ship a package whose sole purpose in life is to download the plugin from Macromedia's site and install it properly
07:16.11peterSLightVision: this package is called flashplugin-nonfree
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07:16.44peterSLightVision: but since flashplugin-nonfree is useless without that external, non-free software, Debian won't ship it in the official OS distribution, but only in the 'contrib' distribution
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07:16.56LightVisionpeterS:  but is the stuff available from there free to use?
07:17.10nvzLightVision: don't go there
07:17.11peterSLightVision: yeah, and so is Internet Explorer.  free to use doesn't mean free software
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07:17.26LightVisionpeterS:  its not (c) stuff or anything?
07:17.33peterSLightVision: the package in contrib is free anyway.  it's just useless without Macromedia's software, which isn't free
07:17.39LightVisionnvz:  what?  you mean dont add contrib?
07:17.51peterSLightVision: sure it's (C).  but Macromedia makes it available for anyone to use, because they care about us so much
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07:17.59FallOnMeManoj_: that would work, for some reason I didn't think of that.
07:18.01nvzLightVision: no don't try and use the word free in new and different ways around people like this
07:18.03LightVisionpeterS:  but firefox needs it, and foirefox is free
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07:18.31nevynLightVision: needs?
07:18.33peterSLightVision: that's a non sequitur.  also, firefox doesn't need it.  it only needs it if you want to surf to crappy web sites that have no real content
07:18.45LightVisionpeterS:  thanks for explaining!  im still a little confused, but ill try to read what you said again
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07:19.00nevynLightVision: don't confuse gratis free with libre free
07:19.00LightVisionpeterS:  hehe ok ;)
07:19.00nvzfree in here is thought to mean DFSG free not Merriam-Webster free.
07:19.10Manoj_FallOnMe, http://arch.debian.org/arch/private/srivasta/ has pointers to all kinds of ./debian dirs where that device is used
07:19.14nevynmerriam webster free?
07:19.16LightVisionnvz:  ok
07:19.23peterSfree as in love
07:19.27LightVisionhehe
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07:19.35nevynfree as in speech
07:19.42nvzyeah group of freaks who think they know what everything means
07:20.07nvzpersonally if I had the time I would write my own dictionary
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07:20.12peterSG. and C. Merriam, back in the late 1800s, did not consult with RMS on the meaning of 'free'
07:20.15nevynpeterS: who's a seventies hippie wannabe?
07:20.17nevynoh.
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07:20.29LightVisionpeterS:  I also have this line on my sources.list "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free"
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07:20.40peterSLightVision: fine, fine
07:20.45nvz!yinzersmite G. and C. Merriam
07:20.50LightVisionpeterS:  ok, ok :)
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07:21.23peterSLightVision: there again you've got the 'main' repository, which is Debian proper, plus the 'contrib' repository, which is free software but which is pointless without some non-free software somewhere, plus the 'non-free' repository, which is itself not free software
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07:21.44peterSLightVision: but security.debian.org doesn't hold a full repository of debian sarge, just whatever packages have happened to need security updates since sarge's release in June
07:21.45nvzI don't think anyone who hasn't been to Pittsburgh can find that shit as funny as I do. having people all around you actually talking like that is where the humor is
07:21.52nevynso where do "packagers" go? contrib?
07:21.53maher[OT] is there something like (s)shfs for osx?
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07:22.06nevyneg java-pkg et al?
07:22.06peterSnevyn: yes
07:22.11Manoj_peterS, BTW, RMS's version of free is not always valid in the Debian context
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07:22.19peterSnevyn: we're talking about 'flashplugin-nonfree' which is an installer package like what you're describing
07:22.21nevynGFD:
07:22.24Manoj_for example, the GNU Free Documentation License is non-free
07:22.26nevynGFDL
07:22.28peterSManoj_: yeah I know.  it's an approximation.
07:22.29nevynbleh
07:22.41nvzeven more OT I've been wondering if there was anything like LVM for windows (xp) cause I would just dump off my samba shares on one of the windows boxes if there was
07:22.41nevynManoj_: isn't that fixed already?
07:22.57peterSManoj_: maybe I should have said George and Charles Merriam, in the late 1800s, didn't consult with Bruce Perens?  (:
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07:23.05nevynnvz: dynamic disks is a poor imitation? actually it's more like.. md
07:23.05LightVisionpeterS:  thanks, flash works now in firefox
07:23.10peterSLightVision: good, good
07:23.16LightVisionpeterS:  hehe
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07:23.37Manoj_nevyn, not that I know of, no
07:24.09Manoj_peterS, well, we did amend the DFSG away from Bruces original. There were the so called Editorial Changes.
07:24.19peterShehe.  yeah.
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07:24.56nvznevyn: I raised a parse error near unexpected token '?' in between stuff I neither understand, or recognize as a question
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07:25.03peterS"we also care about the bits we ship that not everybody thinks is software"
07:25.41Manoj_right. Though personally I think if it is encoded in 0's and 1's, it is software (as opposed to hardware or wetware)
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07:26.08peterSManoj_: I agree, the changes truly were merely editorial.  but I'm not a DD so that's neither here nor there
07:27.16nvzthats a strange phrase "neither here no there" its like playing a game of hot and cold or process of elimination with facts
07:27.43peterSManoj_: also, it's kind of hard to interpret "Debian will remain 100% free software" in a way that doesn't mean either (a) documentation is software, or (b) documentation doesn't belong in debian main
07:27.55nvzwell this fact is neither here nor there, so thats a good idea of where it may be
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07:28.22hackeronhey, I have one of those blackberrys provided by the company I work in, but when I plug it into a Linux box with the USB charging cable, it says insufficient current to charge, please install drivers. Since there are no drivers and vmware doesnt do it either, is there anyway to allow higher current on a specific usb port?
07:28.25Manoj_peterS, right. remember, I was the one who selected the title "Editorial Changes" :)
07:28.34peterSManoj_: oh right!
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07:28.58peterShackeron: I had no idea you could control bus current from software.  interesting.
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07:29.18Manoj_hackeron, I think this likely to be a hardware issue -- have you tried other USB ports or other machines also running Linux?
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07:29.45nevynso the question is..
07:29.48hackeronManoj_: yes I have, an AMD64 at work and my AMD 2500+ at home
07:29.49nevynis microcode software?
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07:29.55peterShackeron: if this is a USB hub with optional power supply, well, that's when you want the power supply for the hub
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07:29.59nvzpeterS: its obviously a reserved windows hack.. like the one that allows windows to shatter cds into a million pieces from unnessicarily revving them up to speeds well beyond that UL certified.
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07:30.17peterSnevyn: I have no idea how you can construct a definition of software so as to exclude microcode.  it seems pretty clear-cut to me
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07:30.24hackeronpeterS: nope, its just a normal USB port. With windows on the same machine, I have no trouble charging the unit from the same port
07:30.26Manoj_nvz, isn't that an urban myth?
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07:30.37hackeronpeterS: as in a port on the motherboard
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07:30.50nevynpeterS: so if the command table is in silicon it's hardware?
07:30.59nvzManoj_: ever put a cd into a windows drive? it instantly revs up so fast the whole damn desk shakes for no good reason
07:31.04hackeronpeterS: the unit charges within several hours, while on Linux its been charging for around 9 now and still at 60% from flat
07:31.22nvzManoj_: the fucking drives cant even read cds spinning at the speeds windows revs those drives to
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07:31.25peterSnevyn: well, it also depends on *why* you are asking the question.  I mean ask your real question.
07:31.51peterSnevyn: is your real question this?  "should debian ship microcode downloaded from intel?"
07:32.03nevynwell no. obviously they shouldn't
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07:32.13nvzManoj_: afaic its way more than a myth. windows code is _designed_ to destroy hardware or otherwise make you feel like you should buy new hardware.
07:32.15nevynbecause that would be dfsgnon-free
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07:32.34peterSnevyn: it's not obvious to everyone.  anyway, the line between "software" and "hardware" matters much less than the line between "what debian could possibly ship" and "what debian cannot possibly ship"
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07:32.52peterSnevyn: the latter is obvious - debian isn't in the business of shipping silicon, so whether etchings on silicon are software or not does not matter
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07:33.35nevynthe question is. what's silicon? flash storage is made out of silicon
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07:34.07peterSnevyn: right, and debian doesn't ship flash storage either.  the point is, whether hardware has software embedded in it is not an interesting question for debian
07:34.09Manoj_I forulate this as the hardware boundary. The OS talks to hardware, and anything below the OS drivers on the other side of the interface is kinda the integral part of hardware.
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07:34.29nvzwhen I put a cd into any of my linux boxes it gently spins the cd enough to read. in windows it tries to rattle the whole fucking PC to PieCes
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07:34.41Manoj_a flash upgrade, when it lies on the filesystem waiting to be flashed into hardware is still software -- and must be free
07:34.41Hamledwhat would be the best way of bziping all of the files in a directory, individually?
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07:34.55nevynso if I distribute an embeded device that uses GPL software can I make some (addmittedly specious) claim that it's hardware and not subject to the licence.
07:34.56ircdevilHamled: script fu
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07:35.08Guerinnevyn: no
07:35.09ircdevilHamled: for i in *; do gzip $i; done;
07:35.15Hamledthanks
07:35.26peterSnevyn: if the software is GPL, it must come from somewhere else.  whoever wrote it must have some reason to believe it's software.
07:35.31nevynbut we just agreed that etchings on silicon are not software :)
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07:35.45peterSnevyn: no we didn't.  we agreed that whether or not it's software isn't an interesting question for debian to consider
07:35.50nevynheh
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07:35.58Guerinnevyn: if you reimplement some gpl software in electronic logic boards, then you might have a point
07:35.58nevynok.. I'll stop now.
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07:36.29Manoj_while debian may claim it lies on the hardware side of the oundary, a court of law still considers it to have copyright protection (just because debian does not care dos not mean that one can flout copyright laws)
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07:36.34peterSnevyn: here's what you do.  you talk to the person who wrote the GPL software you're shipping in your embedded device, and ask the author whether he considers it copyright infringement to ship it as something you don't consider software
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07:37.50peterSnevyn: after receiving your answer, then you weigh the risk of doing something the author told you you couldn't do, and having the author sue you and tell the court that he already warned you
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07:44.20manu_hello
07:44.22FallOnMeManoj_: thanks for your debian/ repository url, has lots of useful stuff.
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07:44.37manu_is ther a command to resume stopped downloads?????
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07:45.11manu_when a download failed because connection out
07:45.12nvzmanu_: you must provide some sort of context
07:45.12ke6isfmanu_: What protocol?
07:45.12manu_ftp
07:45.23manu_how can i resume it
07:45.30manu_i downloaded from firefox
07:45.33ke6isfmanu_: reget
07:45.54manu_but i can t resume it threw the download manager
07:46.04jm_no you can't
07:46.08valdyn_manu_: you cannot resume with firefox iirc
07:46.09ke6isfmanu_: Oh, in the web browser... no.
07:46.12manu_is they a way to continu the download ther where you begun it
07:46.25ke6isfmanu_: Yeah, 'reget' in ftp.
07:46.25valdyn_manu_: 'man wget'
07:46.39ke6isfmanu_: Assuming you were using anon ftp to d/l the file.
07:46.44manu_ok
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07:46.57manu_thanks
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07:48.26Quinn_Stormhey all, I remember someone earlier was advising me on setting up routing/subnetting.  Basically right now here's the problem I'm having.  If I just turn on routing, then I get the "new nexthop" error on trying to ping the outside world, and if I add a static route to my internet gateway for the subnet, I now cannot ping the outside world at all from the subnet.
07:48.58Quinn_Stormobviously I can still reach the outside world from stuff not inside the subnet
07:49.16valdyn_Quinn_Storm: your subnet boxes each know about the gateway?
07:49.51nvzhmm must have the samba share mounted read-only
07:49.53Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: do I need to add a route to all the boxes on the subnet too? right now they all just have the subnet gateway as their default gateway (they don't know about the internet gateway)
07:49.57sepQuinn_Storm, routing is a 2way issues. not only must your subnet know about the gateway, your gateway must also know about the subnets
07:50.16valdyn_Quinn_Storm: each subnet box should have a gateway entry in /etc/network/interfaces
07:50.31nvznope, its definatly mounted right.
07:51.08Quinn_Stormhere's what I've done so far.  internet gateway knows that 192.168.1.0/24 is a subnet handled by 192.168.1.1.  192.168.1.1 has two network interfaces, one going out to a switch the other to the internet gateway.  internal boxes are set to use 192.168.1.1 as their gateway.  is that right?
07:51.12nimakis there any way to get apt-get to install a program with an unmet dependancy
07:51.39nvzoh well I will figure this out later, going to have to cheat to get this file where I want it
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07:51.44valdyn_Quinn_Storm: yea, but its not complete information, an output of 'route' would be.
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07:52.10Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: on which box?  the internet gateway doesn't have a command line.  or do you mean on 192.168.1.1?
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07:52.40sepQuinn_Storm, the internet gateway can't know that 192.168.1.0/24 is handled by 192.168.1.1 since 192.168.1.1 is inside the subnet, you mst make the route to the other interface ip
07:52.45valdyn_Quinn_Storm: assuming your 192.168.1.1 can access the internet, the "internet gateway" should be fine, so dont need more info from that one.
07:52.59Quinn_Stormsep: thats a typo on my part
07:53.01xixorhey everyone, I am running unstable, just did a dist-upgrade, now the sound isn't working.  The trident, and other sound kernel modules seem loaded.  aumix says mixer can't be loaed, is this a udev problem?
07:53.08Quinn_Stormsep: to the internet gateway, 192.168.1.1 is known as 192.168.123.1
07:53.19Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: yes, I am using irc on that box now
07:53.30Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: I'll post the route output from 192.168.[123/1].1
07:53.40nimakis there any way to get apt-get to install a program with an unmet dependancy, anyone?
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07:54.02Quinn_Stormhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/MCzBRQ50.html
07:54.21Quinn_Stormwhere asante is the name of the "internet gateway"
07:54.22fireba11nimak: why would u want to do that ?
07:54.25dracnimak: depencys have their reason, that package would not probably work without them.
07:54.41valdyn_Quinn_Storm: so asante is your internet gw? which ip is that?
07:54.46nimaki have the dependancy installed, i just didnt do it through apt
07:54.50Quinn_Storm192.168.123.254 is its IP
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07:55.23FallOnMenimak: you didn't go through dpkg either, right? ;-)
07:55.31nimaknope
07:56.09valdyn_Quinn_Storm: that is your internet gateway?
07:56.18arbeckcan someone tell me how to make php4 work with apache2?  I did an apt-get libapache2-mod-php4 but it didn't install libphp4.so anywhere...
07:56.21Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: yes, 192.168.123.254 is asante, the internet gw
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07:56.45valdyn_Quinn_Storm: if you can ping it, then your subnet box is fine, that gw is not.
07:56.46jm_arbeck: it sure did if the package was installed
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07:57.13Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: ok, I can ping asante from inside the subnet (192.168.1.2 for example)
07:57.28Quinn_Stormlet me try something
07:57.57FallOnMenimak: even if you installed, the package might or might not work, depends on what it needs from your hand installed binaries.  If it need files in the exact place it might fail.
07:58.02arbeckjm_: i've got libphp4.so under /usr/lib/apache/1.3 but that's the wrong version
07:58.02fireba11arbeck: should be able to help with that, did that myself :-)
07:58.15jm_arbeck: no you don't, dpkg -L libapache2-mod-php4
07:58.21valdyn_Quinn_Storm: paste output of 'route' from 192.168.1.2 too please.
07:58.29nimaknonetheless, is there any way to install the package i need?
07:58.43FallOnMenimak: You'd be better off backporting the dependency.
07:58.43fireba11nimak: should be i don't knwo detailsy, sorry
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07:59.06nvzoh well I am feeling almost tired enough to sleep again. I guess its better going to bed now and I can still get up at a decent time then going to sleep mid afternoon and being way off schedule
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07:59.23ke6isfnvz: sleep well.
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08:00.06Quinn_Stormhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/MqgDVg65.html
08:00.13FallOnMedpkg, tell nimak about equivs
08:00.14Quinn_Stormvaliant being 192.168.[123/1].1
08:00.16nvzke6isf: I already did. would have been better if I had slept through the night. Doesnt seem like you can sleep well more than once in a night
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08:01.04ke6isfnvz: Eh, point - but then, family members calling with such wonderful news (!) will do that to you.
08:01.07valdyn_Quinn_Storm: ok, assuming valiant.local.m is 192.168.1.1 this is ok too.
08:01.16Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: indeed it is
08:01.24Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: maybe the route I entered into asante is wrong somehow
08:01.46valdyn_Quinn_Storm: no it isnt, is ipforwarding enabled?
08:02.02Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: I mean the route -on- asante...and yes it is (on valiant)
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08:02.47nvzthey really should change the adoption laws around so you can pick your family :P
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08:03.06valdyn_Quinn_Storm: ok lets stick to IP, not names, or it gest confusing. 192.168.1.123.254 is your internet gw and 192.168.1.1 can access the internet, so route on 192.168.123.254 cannot be false
08:03.37Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: well 192.168.1.1 is 192.168.123.1 as far as 192.168.123.254 is concerned
08:03.53Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: because, being the subnet gateway, 192.168.1.1 has two interfaces
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08:04.11valdyn_Quinn_Storm: yea, i know, that is ok.
08:04.18Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: http://rafb.net/paste/results/clBtx875.html is the info on 192.168.123.254
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08:04.44valdyn_Quinn_Storm: ip-forwarding needs to be on on 192.168.1.1
08:04.51Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: it is
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08:05.25valdyn_Quinn_Storm: verify please
08:05.30Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: just did
08:05.36dimirMorning.
08:05.42Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward returns 1
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08:06.10Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: not to mention I wouldn't be able to ping 192.168.123.254 from 192.168.1.2 if it was off
08:06.12valdyn_Quinn_Storm: alright, now, you have any kind of firewall installed on 192.168.123.254?
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08:06.43Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: nothing beyond the usual, 192.168.123.254 is a nat box, so just that "firewall"
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08:07.09valdyn_Quinn_Storm: show the nat rules
08:07.25Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: I can't, 192.168.123.254 is a web-interfaced consumer BS product
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08:07.52Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: oh and its acting weird, if I try to use its login page from 192.168.1.2, it thinks I'm coming from 192.168.123.1 instead
08:08.17Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: but only sort-of.  i.e. it tries to log in then I get a popup saying "someone logged in from 192.168.123.1" and I get logged out
08:08.18valdyn_Quinn_Storm: so you have masquerading enabled on that one too?
08:08.32Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: hmm? on which box?
08:08.49valdyn_Quinn_Storm: 192.168.123.1 ( = 192.168.1.1 )
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08:09.21Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: where do I check for that?
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08:10.00Gumbyif I am wanting to print from within open office does anyone know what I need to setup so that a networked printer is seen?  I have it setup in KDE but open office doesnt seem to use that
08:10.01valdyn_Quinn_Storm: if you dont know about that, you probably dont have that on. Either way it looks to me like your cheap internet gw box is the cause of your errors.
08:10.26Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: yeah that sounds right, guess its back to nat on 192.168.1(23).1...bleh, I hate using multiple levels of nat.
08:10.35valdyn_Quinn_Storm: I cant fix that box for you
08:10.49Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: find /proc/sys/net -iname \*masq\* shows nothing so I don't know
08:11.02valdyn_Quinn_Storm: i can use my dsl modem in bridge mode, can you?
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08:12.28Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: I'm not even sure what that would do...my setup is [cable modem] - [192.168.123.254] -(wireless)- [192.168.123.1/192.168.1.1] -(switch)- [192.168.1.*]
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08:13.27valdyn_Quinn_Storm: would make your cable modem only act as modem and let your 192.168.1.1 act is the one and only router.
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08:13.55dani_hi, someone can help me with rt2500 and debian? (i can load the module, but i can't connect)
08:14.23valdyn_Quinn_Storm: now however, cheap as it may be, it might have a way logging or altering which or why it does not masq packets from some hosts
08:14.42Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: oh 192.168.123.254 is a different box than my modem
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08:15.10valdyn_Quinn_Storm: oh, ok
08:15.36valdyn_Quinn_Storm: show the masq rules of that one then.
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08:16.18Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: hmm? 192.168.123.254 -is- the cheap "wireless router" box that only has a web interface...the modem is just a bridge/dhcp server
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08:16.55valdyn_Quinn_Storm: hehe, ok alright, you got to use its web interface then to see for those 'rules'
08:16.58chealerdani_, do you detect somesignal?
08:17.08Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: speaking of which, what does the "hop" column on 192.168.123.254's static routing page mean? right now its as I pasted earlier (1) for the subnet route...and ok, I'll see if I can find anything like that
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08:19.18valdyn_Quinn_Storm: can you paste that static routing table from your internet gw?
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08:19.47Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: I did already but will paste the paste addy again http://rafb.net/paste/results/clBtx875.html
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08:20.10Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: thats what I have entered there...it obviously also has its regular routing table b/c I can get to the internet from 192.168.123.1, this is just "extra" routes
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08:23.05valdyn_Quinn_Storm: yea, i dont know what that hop value is good for.
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08:24.11Quinn_Stormvaldyn_: yeah I don't either...I'm gonna try a few values but I doubt thats the error...if it is, I'm gonna send some hate mail to asante
08:24.24FallOnMeWould this work: debootstraping in /dev/shm, pivot_root to there, unmount all the physical disks, reformat the underlying RAID, and restore everything back from backup?
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08:25.49xsquaredhi, i keep getting this error message: spca5xx: version magic '2.6.11-1-686 686 gcc-4.0' should be'2.6.11-1-686 686 gcc-3.3'
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08:25.56xsquaredwhat should i do to fix it?
08:26.03xsquaredit won't load my webcam drivers
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08:26.14valdyn_xsquared: recompile that module with gcc-3.3
08:26.16eeyore-xsquared: use gcc 3.3 to recompile your modules
08:26.19xsquaredhow?
08:26.31valdyn_xsquared: how did you compile it?
08:26.47xsquaredi typed make; make install; make clean
08:26.51FallOnMexsquared: easiest way is to ln -fs gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gcc
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08:26.59blahdeblahHi!  What's the "approved" equivalent to Red Hat's "service" in Debian?  (For calling from package postinst scripts.)
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08:27.03xsquaredwhat does that do?
08:27.07valdyn_xsquared: export CC=gcc-3.3 might do the trick
08:27.08eeyore-FallOnMe: doesn't debian use alternatives for gcc selection?
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08:27.18FallOnMeeeyore-: no
08:27.18valdyn_eeyore-: no
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08:27.29eeyore-wonder why ... they do offer choices don't they?
08:27.31FallOnMevaldyn_: doesn't do the trick, tried
08:27.35xsquaredvaldyn_: i still want to use gcc4.0.1
08:27.53xsquaredi just want to compile this damn thing
08:27.57FallOnMexsquared: put the link back after recompiling the modules, then
08:27.58draceeyore-: I once filed a wishlist bugreport about that, "Debian doesn't support mixing binaries compiled with different gcc."
08:28.10Quinn_St1rmbleh, I can't find anything for it..anything at all.  guess its back to doing it the way it was
08:28.16valdyn_xsquared: then you'd have to compile your kernel with that one first.
08:28.29FallOnMedrac: has nothing to do with Debian.  Kernel won't let you do that.
08:28.29zuenblahdeblah: i think you can copy the 'service' script and it should work on debian, at least the last time i tried.
08:28.37valdyn_xsquared: however there's no good reasons for that, kernels dont really benefit from using the latest compiler.
08:28.42xsquaredim using the debian built kernel
08:28.43dracFallOnMe: I was talking about update-alternatives.
08:28.48dracFallOnMe: ..generally, not the kernel
08:28.52FallOnMedrac: oh.
08:28.53xsquaredLinux mike 2.6.11-1-686
08:28.54eeyore-xsquared: what is gcc 4.0.1 binary called, on your system?
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08:29.01blahdeblahzuen: I have sysvconfig, which includes 'service', but i thought there was another "preferred" one.
08:29.01xsquaredeeyore-: gcc
08:29.23houndmaybe you can't mix kernel modules compiled with different versions of gcc, but you can still execute applications compiled with different versions can't you?
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08:29.26eeyore-xsquared: and how about gcc 3.3, what's that called on your system?
08:29.34xsquaredeeyore-: i dunno
08:29.44eeyore-xsquared: find out :-)
08:29.50xsquaredeeyore-: how? lol
08:29.51valdyn_hound: you can do anything, it might be unsafe, debian kernels do strict version checking by default.
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08:29.54babyrobbehuhu :)
08:29.57ladengood morning people
08:30.02babyrobbemoin moin laden
08:30.05eeyore-xsquared: dpkg --listfiles ?
08:30.10FallOnMexsquared: do you have /usr/bin/gcc-3.3
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08:30.25xsquaredFallOnMe: Yes
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08:30.29xsquaredgcc-3.3: no input files
08:30.32babyrobbehow can i install php5 ... *could not find it with aptitude* :'(
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08:30.40valdyn_!php5
08:30.40dpkgphp5 is currently only available in unstable.  if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb>, however, if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own.
08:30.44babyrobbe(fails to compile manually)
08:30.57FallOnMexsquared: so link "gcc" to gcc-3.3, compile your modules, then put the link back to what it is now.
08:30.58eeyore-xsquared: do a few things, "alias gcc=gcc-3.3", "export CC=gcc-3.3", and redo the configuration stage.  is this kernel module?  edit the Makefile too (top-level)
08:31.03ladencan you help me please?
08:31.09ke6isfargh, stupid dryers...
08:31.10babyrobbe:D
08:31.20eeyore-xsquared: no need to link anything if editing Makefile will do
08:31.24xsquared<<-- confused
08:31.24FallOnMeeeyore-: I think setting CC doesn't help.
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08:31.32eeyore-FallOnMe: so, edit the Makefile :-)
08:31.35xsquaredi'll edit the makefile
08:31.36ke6isfladen: Maybe, but first you have to ask a question.
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08:31.43valdyn_FallOnMe: that depends on the makefile / configure script
08:31.54ladenwhen i compile my kernel 2.4.31 on my debian stable I return this error : depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.30/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-core.o
08:32.12ladensorry. kernel is 2.4.30
08:32.13valdyn_laden: you have to reboot to use a new kernel.
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08:32.21FallOnMevaldyn_: let me rephrase: setting CC doesn't help with kernel's Makefile
08:32.44FallOnMevaldyn_: for 2.6
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08:32.45ke6isfladen: Did your compile complete?
08:32.45valdyn_FallOnMe: hes not using kernels makefile but the makefile of his driver source
08:32.56eeyore-FallOnMe: Kernel's Makefile, HOSTCC=gcc-3.3
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08:33.10vladstergood morning ladies and germs, (Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk, look at the grouse
08:33.22eeyore-FallOnMe: trivial to edit that file
08:33.24ke6isfvladster: Bah...
08:33.29FallOnMeeeyore-: that might work.
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08:33.35eeyore-FallOnMe: *will* work :-)
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08:33.50FallOnMeeeyore-: I don't know until I try. ;-)
08:34.32vladsterSorry just a little punchy after two day of setting up Debian on four of my machines and SuSE 9.3 for a customer
08:34.53ke6isfvladster: Da hell didn't you make them run Debian!
08:34.56vladsterBusy holidy weekend
08:35.05xsquaredYAY
08:35.09xsquaredits going to work
08:35.11eeyore-vladster: i reserve suse for my not-so-worst enemies
08:35.15xsquaredThanks guys
08:35.17vladsterbecause he is not smart enough to
08:35.38Guerineeyore-: heh
08:35.42ke6isfeeyore-: Rather give my not-so-worst enemies Mandreck.
08:35.43eeyore-vladster: "not smart enough" => Red Hat Enterprise.  anything outside the norm (RedHat) requires thinking
08:35.53vladsterI know but that is what he wants and he is paying my bill so the customer is always right
08:36.17Guerini give my not so worst enemies redhat
08:36.25blahdeblah!service
08:36.28Guerinmy not really enemies ubuntu
08:36.31vladsterI did get him set up on four debian servers
08:36.33ke6isfvladster: No, no, no! You gotta do like Adam Sandler in Happy Gilmore! "The customer is *wrong*, bitch!"
08:36.50Guerinand my really worst enemies mandy
08:37.20ke6isfGuerin: Mandy?
08:37.22vladsterI have a daughter to get through Embry Riddle, until she graduates, the customer is always right
08:37.37Guerinke6isf: think about it for half a second
08:37.49ke6isfGuerin: ...mandreck?
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08:38.08Guerin!win ke6isf
08:38.09dpkgCongratulations, ke6isf! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
08:38.17vladsterI was able to steer him from that at least for the desktop
08:38.55tarzeaujm_: do i want /etc/mailcap.order ?
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08:39.31vladsterAt least it plays nice with his windows domain controller, that is my next target
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08:39.46eeyore-vladster: anything recent plays nice with active directory, now
08:39.55vladsterI am working on a PDC for him as well
08:40.46FallOnMeeeyore-: so, if I were crazy enough to want to logon to my Debian desktop using the domain logon, how would I do that? ;-)
08:40.53vladsterI even set up his seceretaries mschine to boot linux but look and feel like XP
08:41.09ke6isfvladster: How did you pull that off? I gotta ask.
08:41.25vladsterXPDE
08:41.26eeyore-FallOnMe: i'm not that crazy, but if i were, i would use pam plugin that authenticates against the DC.  that's my guess
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08:41.49vladstera desktop that looks exactly like windows xp
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08:42.09ke6isfvladster: Not that I'd use it, but I can probably set my mom up on that.
08:42.11vladsterI told him that it was bending the law though
08:42.11sanxiyn!xpde
08:42.11dpkgxpde is probably a desktop environment attempting to make it easier for the newbie. stands for "XP Desktop Environment.", or at xpde.com for more info.
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08:42.13defcon8how do i get float in bc?
08:42.40FallOnMeeeyore-: that sounds too easy. would that be ldap, kerberos, or is there something like pam_de?
08:42.41BibTeXhello
08:42.42vladsterThat is how I got my wife off of windows
08:42.47FallOnMes/de/dc/
08:42.51eeyore-FallOnMe: let me check
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08:43.06BibTeXIf we have a Pentium 4 PC which sources we should install for the kernel?
08:43.09vladsterNow she is hooked on Gnome
08:43.10ke6isfvladster: Only downside is that it doesn't seem to be in the apt repos.
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08:43.29sanxiynke6isf: Because XPDE is written in Kylix.
08:43.35eeyore-FallOnMe: don't worry, it won't be too easy, because you have to worry about ID mapping (between windows SID and unix UID)
08:43.39vladsterfor good reason, intelectual property restrictions
08:43.55sanxiyn(An implementation of Object Pascal, where freepascal is not exactly compatible.)
08:43.55ke6isfSo it can't even get in on the non-free repos, can it?
08:44.05sanxiynvladster: Well, there are other reasons.
08:44.06vladsterI doubt it
08:44.16sanxiynke6isf: I think it can.
08:44.30vladsterTrade mark and copyrights maybe
08:44.34eeyore-FallOnMe: i see a few choices, pam-ldap, pam-krb5, pam-smb
08:45.50FallOnMeeeyore-: ok, thanks.
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08:46.13eeyore-FallOnMe: is it worth the pain?  probably not.  for small networks, just maintain separate authentication systems :-)  make the windows login name same as UNIX login name, and you'll be fine.  if you make both authentication systems' passwords the same for each account, it's easy for the users, too
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08:46.40ke6isfLaundry's probably done.
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08:48.25FallOnMeeeyore-: each unix admin has his own separate desktop, and the rest is in AD.  It's slightly strange.
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08:50.35eeyore-FallOnMe: we maintain three separate password systems (AD, NIS, and Notes (don't ask)), and for the most part, we use master/slave NIS setup local to each local office (they all replicate off master in UK), AD is pretty much distributed, and Notes ... well ... is Notes
08:51.38BibTeXIf we have a Pentium 4 PC which sources we should install for the kernel?
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08:51.41eeyore-FallOnMe: there is some work being done to make/extend AD to be the "one password master" system, exporting fields off to UNIX NIS servers and all ...
08:51.46houndnotes?
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08:52.00FallOnMeeeyore-: I like the Windows' transparent handling of authentication tokens (for shares), though.  I suspect this is a kerberos thing, but I don't know anything about kerberos.  It would be nice if I could log on one time, then use that to log on to any machine in the system.  I use ssh keys for now, but it's a slight pain with each new server added.
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08:52.37eeyore-FallOnMe: yeah, you'll want to extend your ssh to get keys from a central server :-)
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08:53.01bibeBibTeX : the source are the same
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08:53.24vladsterI do find that SuSE has the worst configuration programs I have ever seen
08:53.55eeyore-vladster: Gentoo's "etc-update" is right up there
08:54.08vladsterthat bad eh
08:54.14bibeBibTeX : you will have to compile the sources enabling optimization for your architecture (CONFIG_MPENTIUM4=y)
08:54.15eeyore-vladster: "etc-update" has near-zero brainpower.  gosh, i miss debian's configuration update logic
08:54.18FallOnMeeeyore-: not to mention a myriad web apps each with its own htpasswd basic auth.  It's a mess.
08:54.29Frawgnvidia
08:54.37Frawgdpkg tell frawg about nvidia
08:54.57eeyore-vladster: yeah, it's an either-or situation.  OK, you can manually/interactively merge differences, but gosh, when it updates fifty config files or so, interactive merge is a pain in the ass
08:55.03Frawgdpkg tell frawg about nvidia installer
08:55.16FallOnMeeeyore-: you have a reference to this AD extension work-in-progress thingy?
08:55.21Frawgdpkg tell frawg about nvidia-howto
08:55.27eeyore-FallOnMe: no, it's all private extension
08:55.46vladsterI did a distupgrade on a pentium 133 with 128 megs to sarge running the 2.6 kernel
08:55.52eeyore-FallOnMe: we're extending it to be the repository for SSH keys, too, while we're at it
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08:55.56vladsterWent flawless
08:56.14jethromoin
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08:56.37BibTeXbibe: thx
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08:56.52BibTeXbibe: how to do it?
08:57.00eeyore-FallOnMe: yeah, on our web apps, it's a toss-up as to which authentication it uses :-)  and most times, the author(s) don't make that clear.  so it's a guesswork whether it's Notes, AD or UNIX or plain HTTP auth :-))))
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08:58.54FallOnMeeeyore-: oh well, at least we don't have Notes. And by the sound of it, we're much smaller game.
08:59.18BibTeXbibe: how to enable OPTIMIZATION
08:59.24eeyore-FallOnMe: there are about 1200 employees, spread across UK, US, France, Italy, Japan and China
09:00.38vladsterWent flawless
09:00.41blahdeblahvladster: Even if no one else heard you, i thought it was a good story.
09:00.49Overandheh
09:00.53blahdeblahvladster: s/less/lessly/
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09:01.11Overandblahdeblah: regex isn't supported on chips before the p3
09:01.12Overand;)
09:01.22eeyore-Overand: eh?
09:01.27Overandit was a joke
09:01.34vladsterI just think it is a shame to throw out a good working machine if it ain't broke
09:01.45blahdeblahOverand: You've obviously never seen a PDP-11
09:01.47Overandvladster repeated himself re: his upgrade of a p133 to sarge, and blahdeblah made a comment, then fixed an error vladster made using the 'ol regex
09:02.01Overandblahdeblah: no, but my friend has a PDP-8 in his basement, along with an old WANG i gave him
09:02.28vladstersorry I am boucning around terminals, sorry for the repeat
09:02.39blahdeblahvladster: my main machine tracking etch is a Cel 667 w/- 128 Mb.  Not quite as ancient as yours, but it still does the job for mucking about with scripts & stuff.
09:02.39vladsterjust tired
09:02.40FallOnMeeeyore-: just what I thought, we have about 150, none abroad.  But the authentication is still a mess. ;-)
09:02.57vladsterkool
09:02.58Overandvladster: i assume you're not running a GUI on that box, right?
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09:03.33vladsternope but I put in fluxbox as a test to see if I could do it
09:03.34blahdeblahOverand: Re: WANG - then you should know better than to talk about regexs not working on old hardware ;-)
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09:03.42eeyore-Overand: you gave *him* your *wang*?  this sounds too funny
09:03.52vladsterand it did, on a 9" mon monitor
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09:04.03blahdeblahOverand: Re: GUI - Ubuntu 5.04 runs surprisingly well on my C667/128.
09:04.07Overandeeyore-: not if you know what a wang is
09:04.22vladsterthat is monochrome, sorry
09:04.33eeyore-Overand: of course i know what a wang is, but, haven't you heard how often that sounds funny in otherwise serious conversation? :-)
09:04.37toresbeOverand: argh, I had to pass up a Wang for around 2 dollars once :\
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09:04.46vladsterTerminal if I am not mistaken
09:05.09ladenoh my god. when i install my .deb kernel image I return this error depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.30/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-core.o
09:05.10FallOnMenothing like a vt420, but you can't make a pun with that.
09:05.19vladsterWhat model:)
09:05.37vladsterkoo
09:06.06eeyore-toresbe: what in the heck would you do with one this day and age.  make it into a fishtank?
09:06.14vladsterOuch!
09:06.16toresbeeeyore-: :O
09:06.33toresbeeeyore-: You obviously does not know the extent of my retro infatuation :P
09:06.47eeyore-toresbe: what, you have one of those PDP-11 bars? :-)
09:07.04toresbeeeyore-: That was a VAX 11/780
09:07.05vladsterThose were the days
09:07.21vladsterI remeber ounch cards and 3370's
09:07.30toresbeTomorrow, I'm going to the first meeting of the Norwegian Computer History Society
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09:07.37vladsterpunch*
09:07.42FallOnMevladster: so, how are your grandchildren. ;-)
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09:08.00vladsterI started late
09:08.02eeyore-toresbe: oh oops, you're right about that
09:08.13vladsterI still have a teenage daughter
09:08.19manu_how to i download with the tool wget on a password secured apache server ????
09:08.28toresbeeeyore-: Though, technically, that thing could actually run in PDP-11 modde
09:08.30toresbemode*
09:08.37eeyore-manu_: wget --help?
09:08.48Overandeeyore-: re: the wang conversation, NO JOKE this is what i said to my parents when i was about 11
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09:09.12Overand"Yeah, I hope my grandfather gives me his WANG.  It's old, and kinda dusty, and I don't know if it still works.  Hm.  I wonder if that thing runs UNIX"
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09:09.16FallOnMemanu_: http://login:password@host/ ... might work
09:09.25Overand(And of course we all know how 'unix' is pronounced, and how that sounded in that context)
09:09.43eeyore-Overand: give your folks fit, huh?
09:10.01Overandit was very funny.  they had to explain both 'wang' and 'unic' to me
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09:11.21FallOnMeOverand: I don't get the unic part. (Not a native speaker)
09:11.50OverandFallOnMe: "unic" is.. erm.
09:12.00FallOnMe;-)
09:12.01eeyore-FallOnMe: eunuch
09:12.05FallOnMeoh
09:12.15Overandhttp://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=eunuch
09:12.38eeyore-FallOnMe: kind of like castrati, but for different reasons
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09:12.47vladsterI have a sore ass and my eyes are bloodshot from staring at a monitor for threedays straight, I think I am going to get some sleep and finish the configs for my customers machines tommorow, and no I am not a eunoch
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09:12.56FallOnMeeeyore-: know what it means spelled properly. ;-)
09:12.57sphereDoes anyone know a webbrowser for linux that can display crooked URLs with backslashes in it and pretend they are forward slashes?
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09:13.10TraceGreenHello, i want to have a tool for checking hardware in my computer such as lspci, but i want a gui, any advice?
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09:13.36mwilsonAdvice?  Sure.  You don't need a GUI for that.
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09:13.41tarzeauTraceGreen: hwinfo is cool
09:13.53tarzeauTraceGreen: so is sysinfo from the ibackup pkg (generates a html)
09:13.58jethroTraceGreen: I'd use hwinfo, buy I don't know if it has a gui
09:14.00eeyore-mwilson: zing!
09:14.02moshiidoes anyone know if/where there is a base tar for sarge?
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09:14.36FallOnMeTraceGreen: lshw can output html, I think
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09:15.06eeyore-TraceGreen: honestly, lspci does the job.  and, for more details of different sort, you can always use "dmidecode"
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09:15.47FallOnMeI like lshw's completeness, scans PCI, SCSI, UCB, DMI.
09:16.18FallOnMes/UCB/USB/,
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09:16.38eeyore-ok, will have to give lshw a go some time
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09:17.30eeyore-FallOnMe: what, no i2c bus? :-)  pcmcia?
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09:18.50deadcathow do i display the colors in the rgb.txt file? in color. not text
09:19.12FallOnMeeeyore-: should have put "etc" at the end. Don't know about pcmcia and i2c, my PCMCIA looks like PCI, and this machine has no useful i2c stuff.
09:20.45TraceGreentarzeau, hwinfo is very cool, thanks!! but it seems don't have gui
09:21.23FallOnMeeeyore-: eh, looks like no i2c.  Darn. ;-)
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09:24.00TraceGreeneeyore-, thanks!!
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09:24.40eeyore-TraceGreen: why thank me?  sounds like lshw does the job better than dmidecode :-)
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09:25.26arcticjethro: good morning
09:25.36omnibikeI realise this may not be the right forum, but just looking at some advive..  I'm behind a NAT router, and have my own routing environment..  how do I make the two talk.. it seems the nat is preventing this, but I only havre the one public IP
09:25.37jethroarctic: hello
09:25.38mike_hihi, how do i load a module into the kernel without installing it?
09:25.48mike_its just modprobe... right?
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09:26.03arcticjethro: did you sleep well?
09:26.06eeyore-omnibike: what's a "routing environment"?
09:26.19eeyore-omnibike: and what kind of "making the two talk"?
09:26.22eeyore-omnibike: speak tech, please
09:26.28omnibikewell I have a linux box that routes between two other networks
09:26.30jethroarctic: not enough :)
09:26.40mike_someone? lol
09:26.44omnibikethis linux box also has a spare interface I am hoping to connect the the nat device
09:26.44arcticjethro: how much hours?
09:26.58jethroarctic: definitely not enough, but that's not on topic here :)
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09:27.03FallOnMehwinfo looks nice too, lots of strange looking data. ;-)
09:27.09arcticjethro: ok then :)
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09:27.31mike_someone... how do i load a module without installing it?
09:27.33caphusowoohoo!
09:27.33omnibikeso many people are asking me questions.. what do people need to know ?
09:27.40eeyore-omnibike: ok, so the NAT box just has the one public interface.  nothing wrong with that.  if you want to talk to the machines behind the NAT box, you have to port-forward
09:27.41arcticjethro: so which xorg/xfree packages should i delete?
09:28.00FallOnMemike_: insmod ./module.[k]o
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09:28.30jethroarctic: I'd just remove all of them if I were you, then install *only* xorg packages now you made sure your sources.list is correct
09:28.39omnibikeok port forward is fine, I understand that, but it seems the networks behind the linux box cannot get out... the linux box itself id setup through dhcp and can get out fine
09:28.49valdynmike_: what would be 'installing' a module, if loading isnt?
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09:28.52mike_thanks FallOnMe
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09:29.02arcticjethro: how do i know which xorg and xfree packages are installed?
09:29.05valdynmike_: insmod shouldn t be used.
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09:29.12FallOnMevaldyn: cp to /lib/modules/?
09:29.14mike_valdyn: i don't want to install it so it starts up everytime or anything
09:29.26TraceGreenanyway, i decide to use lshw-gtk, thanks you all!!
09:29.32antgelmike_: modprobe
09:29.34jethroarctic: you can see them using the command dpkg -l , or dpkg --get-selections
09:29.38mike_i just want to test it cause i modded spca5xx
09:29.54valdynmike_: modprobe <modulename>
09:29.59jethroarctic: if you use dpkg -l, you'll need to set the COLUMNS variable, otherwise, some fields will be truncated
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09:30.29omnibikeeeyore-: any ideas ?
09:30.48arcticjetrho: i can filter the xorg with grep (dpkg -l)
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09:30.59valdynmike_: that doesnt mean however that hotplug wont grab it on next reboot, one has nothing to do with the other.
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09:31.46FallOnMevaldyn: it bloody well should not grab it if it's not in /lib/modules/`uname -r`
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09:32.31eeyore-omnibike: lots :-)  but, it doesn't sound like you have a problem that can't be solved.  the only difficulty i see is that of you trying to explain the problem
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09:33.05valdynFallOnMe: that's true, but using an out of tree module like that and inserting it with insmod is just asking for trouble, unless you really know what you're doing )
09:33.07antgelomnibike: have you set up masquerading?
09:33.23omnibikeno
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09:33.39arcticjethro: i have xfree-common installed, not xorg-common? ... thats queer
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09:33.48antgel!tell omnibike about masquerading
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09:34.17FallOnMevaldyn: What is the big difference? if symbol dependencies are not satisfied, it won't load, right?
09:34.23jethroarctic: that won't help, so you should remove it
09:34.36antgelomnibike: and have you set up ip forwarding (routing)? in debian, set ip_forward=yes in /etc/network/options and restart networking
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09:35.09arcticjethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1008 -> that packages?
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09:35.29jethroarctic: I'm in the office today, I won't be able to help a lot. I suggest you remove all X related packages. you'll have to list them yoursleft, and I won't have time to double check your findings
09:35.41mike_OKkay, how do i unload the module now?
09:35.47omnibikeI will have to read up about it before I start.. does anyone have a good URL
09:35.52antgelmike_: rmmod if your kernel supports it
09:35.54valdynmike_: modprobe -r <modulename>
09:35.58mike_thanks
09:36.05antgelomnibike: read the masquerading howto
09:36.08arcticjethro: oh i  understand, k then
09:36.14FallOnMevaldyn: AFAIK, that's _the_ way to "load a module without installing it".
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09:36.41jethroarctic: ask the channel, I'm sure other helpers can help you :)
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09:36.55jethroarctic: if not, I'll be able to help more tonight :p
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09:37.59omnibikeam I right to assume that If using public addressing then I need to use NAT otherwise internet addresses will not talk with private
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09:38.02antgelto me, installing a module means having it in /lib/modules
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09:39.02antgelomnibike: as i recall, the masq howto explains all
09:39.32mike_exit
09:39.37antgelomnibike: nb there is no need to echo 1 to ip_forward, use the debian way as above (/etc/network/options)
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09:41.23valdyn!insmod
09:41.24dpkgSorry, that command doesn't exist.  Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load.  NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6.  Use modprobe.  Did we mention "modprobe" yet?
09:41.38arcticjethro: do you no a source where to get xorg-common?
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09:42.34mek_my X server claims it cant find "fixed" fonts although i've done a "apt-get install x-window-system"
09:42.41valdyn!fixed
09:42.41dpkgif you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix
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09:42.48eeyore-omnibike: private non-routable addresses are just that.  non-routable over the internet.  these include the 192.168.*, 10.*, and 127.* subnets (rfc1918 subnets).
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09:43.13eeyore-omnibike: whether or not you *need* a NAT box depends on your situation (which you haven't made clear)
09:43.17mek_valdyn: thanks
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09:44.01dpridgenDoes anyone know how to make Lexmark Z23 work in Ubuntu Breezy Badger? The driver is installed.
09:44.10antgel!tell dpridgen about ubuntu
09:44.12valdyndpridgen: #ubuntu
09:44.24jayanyone in here use video conferencing with amsn?
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09:44.33dpridgenI asked in there and nobody answered. There's only five people in that channel.
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09:44.50Overanddpridgen: 05:44 -!- Irssi: #ubuntu: Total of 322 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 321 normal]
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09:44.55OverandI think not.
09:45.05dpridgenIt should work the same as in Debian.
09:45.10Overandthere are actually 322 people there.
09:45.19antgeldpridgen: use a distro with better support. use the ubuntu web forums or whatever they provide.
09:45.19arcticdoes somebody have debian source for xorg(-common)?
09:45.21dpridgenOk! I must've been in a different Ubuntu.
09:45.23Overanddpridgen: there are 322 people there, several of them are active.  perhaps you typeo'd the name?
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09:45.56antgelarctic: do you mean source _code_ or a binary repository?
09:46.00dpridgenI guess nobody here knows either.
09:46.06streunerarctic: /msg dpkg xorg sarge
09:46.19arcticantgel: i mean source for sources.list
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09:46.42valdynarctic: for sarge?
09:46.55arcticvaldyn: yes
09:47.06valdynarctic: http://www.backports.org/ does
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09:47.52omnibikeeeyore-: well I only have one public ip...
09:48.10omnibikeand need to route between private and public and vice versa
09:48.24arcticvaldyn: they only have xfree :/
09:49.02streunerarctic: why do you ask at all?
09:49.04valdynarctic: how is it that i can see xorg on the frontpage then?
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09:49.36streunerarctic: you had already 2 different xorg sources for sarge in your sources.list
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09:51.05arcticstreuner, valdyn: i know, i had 2; valdyn do you mean that one: deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main?
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09:51.18valdynarctic: yes
09:51.53arcticvaldyn: i'm using that one, but it dont have xorg-common package
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09:52.29arcticvaldyn: maybe they renamed it?
09:52.31vorlonnor does Debian have an xorg-common package.
09:52.39antgelarctic: that repo is known to work. did you put it at the top of sources.list?
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09:53.40streuner!info xorg-common
09:53.41valdynarctic: and what is the problem with that?
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09:53.52streuner<dpkg> Package 'xorg-common' does not exist.
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09:54.36streunerarctic: all you need is to install xlibs (xorg)
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09:54.55streunerarctic: you didn't get that managed yesterday, so try it again
09:55.08valdynor 'apt-get install x-window-system-core'
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09:56.05n0cturnalwhen I load gnome-session, I get the message: "WARNING: No window manager can be found."
09:56.31streunern0cturnal: seems you haven't GNOME fully installed
09:56.33antgelam running snort on a masq router, PIII 600, 128MB. snort using 30% of ram. is this normal?
09:56.45jm_antgel: yes, depending on your snort rules
09:56.51streunern0cturnal: dpkg -l metacity, but don't flood the channel
09:57.14n0cturnalun  metacity       <none>         (no description available)
09:57.23streunern0cturnal: here we go
09:57.27antgeljm_: basic ruleset. haven't customized a thing yet
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09:57.52jm_antgel: it's probably doing connection tracking etc.
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09:58.19antgelisn't there anything better to recommend him than metacity? the only wm that was so bad i had to stop using it
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09:59.46streunerantgel: metacity is default, if he want using something else...
10:00.01streuner*shrug*
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10:01.07antgelisn't there anything better to recommend him than gnome? :P
10:01.44arcticstreuner: jethro want me to delete all xfree and xorg packages,i only did xfree86 at first and with dpkg -l  grep xfree, it shows xfree86-common :/
10:02.03streunerarctic: do it then
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10:02.09ml267in setting up my apache-ssl, what is the purpose of the hash symlink to the apache.pem file?
10:02.10valdynarctic: why is that a problem?
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10:02.19antgelarctic: was it you who doesn't actually need xorg?
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10:02.54arcticvaldyn: because i apt-get removed it and with dpkg -l it shows me again (after restarting xserver)
10:03.09valdynarctic: installing xorg *keeps* xfree86-common.
10:03.23arcticvaldyn: oh, good to know :/
10:03.29valdyn!depends x11-common
10:03.35dpkgx11-common: depends on debconf (>= 1.2.9) | debconf-2.0, debianutils (>= 1.13), lsb-base (>= 3.0-1)
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10:03.52jethrovaldyn: I no longer have it on my system, and I use xorg too
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10:04.14streunerknusper:/home/user# dpkg -l | grep xorg-common
10:04.14streunerknusper:/home/user#
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10:04.26valdynjethro: xorg doesnt remove xfree86-common, having it is not a problem.
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10:04.38jethrovaldyn: I see
10:04.59valdynjethro: actually, xfree86-common is part of xorg:  xfree86-common  6.8.2.dfsg.1-6  X Window System infrastructure transitio
10:05.21valdynjethro: as transitional package since certain other stuff depends on it
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10:05.22jethroweird, I have a x11-common package that's all
10:05.29ml267make-ssl-cert usually creates a hash symlink for the key/cert file.  I don't know if I have to do the same with the key/cert I've gotten
10:05.30jethrovaldyn: ah OK
10:05.31OSuKaRuhellO
10:06.10streunerxorg-common isn't in 'gravity's repo or in the backport repo of 'nobse' either
10:06.11OSuKaRu?someone knows something about Recorder drivers?
10:06.25arcticjetrho: how do i change to text-mode strg+alt+f1?
10:06.37OSuKaRuI have a problem with an old one
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10:06.52valdynyea, closest resembling that would be 'x11-common', but really, that's irrelevant, no one needs to install either directly
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10:07.09OSuKaRuI changed my cd recorder to a cd/dvd recorder
10:07.28mlopesHi. Some weeks ago I did a backup of my packages with dpkg --get-selections, which is fine. Now I want to restore the system, so I want to install the new packages and remove the one's not listed on the file.
10:07.44OSuKaRubut i can eliminate the old driver because he said that is in use
10:07.48mlopesI know how to install the new ones.. but what about removing those not listed by the file?
10:07.55valdyn!reinstall
10:07.55dpkg[reinstall] COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install
10:08.09mlopeswell, great valdyn :-)
10:08.12valdynmlopes: I doubt you can just do that
10:08.15mlopeshmm
10:08.18mlopeswhy?
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10:08.47mlopeswell, this line dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install keeps the trouble
10:08.51mlopesit does not remove the old packages
10:08.56mlopesbecause that was what I did
10:09.07mlopesthe first one, I'll have to try it
10:09.19EddieSammlopes, check out debfoster or deborphan for removing unwanted packages.
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10:09.44mlopesEddieSam: well.. that's not exacly the point
10:10.09mlopesi just want to restore a system as it was (speaking about the packages, otherwise I would use a RAID disk)
10:10.27mlopesinstalling the packages not installed by default and removing the packages that did not make part of the --get-selections
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10:10.42n0cturnalokay... that problem gone. now getting "Error activating XKB configuration. Probably internal X server problem."
10:10.59mlopesobviously, i'm speaking of restoring the same debian branch..like sarge or sid
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10:12.23interodoes anyone know how to use lame to encode silence?
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10:13.49arcticstreuner: i can't remove xorg stuff, because he removes many packages from kde/gnome too
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10:18.05antgelis rene maryhofer ever in #debian?
10:18.13antgelmayrhofer even
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10:18.27fireba11should i know him ?
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10:19.52Timsenhi!
10:20.18Timseni want to check my filesystem for errors because i reseted my machine cold
10:20.19Kamping_Kaiserhi Timsen
10:20.38Timseni use a ext3
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10:21.05fireba11ext3 should do that by itself
10:21.14PhatedMount it readonly, and fsck it.
10:21.27Timsenok
10:21.38n0cturnalI'm not getting errors anymore... just not getting any thing showing up apart from the debian logo as the background when i load gnome-session
10:21.47fireba11when booting it checks for uncompleted disk activities and does a fsck when it found any
10:21.48usnhi folx
10:22.08nimakhello, usn
10:22.25Timsenk fireba11
10:22.56streunerarctic: try 'dpkg -i xlibs' , if that doesn't work just do what 'jethro' told you in order to run xorg.
10:23.25streunerarctic: if you have those debs still in cache its not a big deal then...
10:24.00antgeln0cturnal: how did you install gnome and what debian release are you running
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10:25.37n0cturnalI installed gnome by 'apt-get install gnome-session' and Linux mercury 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
10:26.09streunerarctic: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs*
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10:27.56n0cturnalI am forwarding my gnome to an X server session in cygwin
10:28.47antgeln0cturnal: funny how you didn't tell us that at the start
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10:29.13streunerarctic_: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs*
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10:29.58antgeln0cturnal: i don't run gnome, but that's not how you install it. gnome-session is just one of many bloated gnome packages
10:30.14n0cturnalokay... how would i go about installing it?
10:30.22arctic_streuner: there are 4 files
10:30.26streunerapt-get install gnome didn't work for him...
10:30.37streunerso he told us
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10:30.53streunerarctic_: show us in paste
10:30.58streunerpastebin*
10:31.04streuner!paste
10:31.05dpkghmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff.
10:31.30arctic_streuner: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1010
10:32.05streunerarctic_: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6 .8.2.dfsg.1-4sarge1_all.deb
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10:32.35n0cturnalantgel: any ideas?
10:32.48n0cturnaloops sorry
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10:33.54arctic_streuner: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1011
10:34.21antgeln0cturnal: yes, answer all my questions ^^^
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10:35.12n0cturnalbah
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10:35.25streunerarctic_: that's pretty impossible :-)
10:35.28n0cturnalLinux mercury 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
10:35.53arctic_streuner: but when i dpkg (in folder) he shows me this
10:35.54streunerarctic_: you have read this, dpkg doesn't find the file itself
10:36.08antgeln0cturnal: that's your linux kernel version. what debian version?  cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:36.38n0cturnalref #flood
10:36.54antgelagain please
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10:37.21antgeln0cturnal: output of aptitude install gnome?
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10:37.48arctic_streuner: should i cp the file in another folder and try it again?
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10:38.31streunerarctic_: copy that file to /tmp and run in /tmp 'dpkg -i *.deb'
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10:39.19arctic_streuner: it worked
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10:40.20arcticstreuner: but error goes on
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10:42.09streunerarctic_: what does 'apt-get -f install' say?
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10:42.25Lilldudefor sata drives do you have  load off floppy
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10:43.08streunerarctic: without any errors?
10:43.14arcticstreuner: yep
10:43.30streunerarctic: try to start x then
10:43.37streunerwait
10:43.49arcticstreuner: i did it right now
10:43.52streunerarctic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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10:43.59GodKilla-hey everyone
10:44.12GodKilla-can anyone explain me how to install a printer on debian?
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10:44.27streunerGodKilla-: USB?
10:44.41GodKilla-no not usb streuner
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10:45.04[timmeh]if i downloaded apache2 as the tar.gz and want to remove it so i can install the debian package instead
10:45.07[timmeh]how would i go about that?
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10:45.46Guerin[timmeh]: make uninstall # good luck
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10:45.55[timmeh]good luck?
10:46.04bob2do you have the original source tree?
10:46.05Guerinnot all makefiles have an uninstall target
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10:46.08reverb_hi all, i've got a laptop hdd that i've thrown into a external hdd enclosure. the usb device detects fine in both windows and linux, but i get errors when trying to read from it. also the device name is full of junk characters... i don't know if my hdd is dead, or the enclosure is dodgy... any ideas?
10:46.10bob2if not, you're more or less screwed
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10:46.25[timmeh]i have the original source i make/installed still
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10:46.51n0cturnalarctic: apt-get install gnome-core gconf gnome-desktop-environment
10:46.54n0cturnalseems to have worked for me
10:46.56bob2reverb_: that sounds more like a screwed enclosure
10:47.18bob2reverb_: I've not heard of a drive elctronics fucking up like that
10:47.37reverb_bob2: thanks, just want to be sure before i return it
10:47.53[timmeh]XLHostX1:/php-5.1.0RC1# make uninstall
10:47.53[timmeh]make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
10:47.55[timmeh]= bad?
10:48.06reverb_bob2: unfortunately i can't test the drive any other way since I have no laptop :(
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10:48.22bob2[timmeh]: that means you can't simply remove it
10:48.26midg3t[timmeh]: is it apache2 or php you're trying to remove?
10:48.30bob2also, unpacking source into / is highly unusual
10:48.32[timmeh]i had isntalled both
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10:48.57[timmeh]apache then php
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10:49.12[timmeh]so i assumed id have to remove php 1st
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10:49.44asmodaiiihi all
10:49.44[timmeh]i have to servers, i tried this one first, and the second one i did with debian packages what works fine
10:49.54[timmeh]this one is jsut giving me errors with apache
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10:50.12[timmeh]so atm i was planning to remove the source i installed, and do what i did weith the second instead
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10:51.21tarzeauwe can't have libgif-dev ?
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10:52.18GodKilla-please, i need help about installing printers
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10:52.28GodKilla-is there any software needed toget them running?
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10:53.59streunertarzeau: sounds like a question for #debian-devel or debian-devel ML, doesn't it?
10:54.09antgel!tell GodKilla- about cups setup
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10:54.29dpkgTen-HUT!  Fall in!  Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes
10:54.33tarzeaustreuner: no, it's perfectly fine here, but i've also thrown it up on #debian-nonfree
10:54.44tarzeaustreuner: or rather debian-legal
10:55.06GodKilla-thanks antgel
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11:00.03Juz_visitingwhat pkg is causing a "Reformatting man(1), please wait" message and how do I stop it from checking
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11:02.06bob2Juz_visiting: sudo dpkg-reconfigure man-db
11:02.07bob2iirc
11:02.08sam`hi. anynews from the libcrypto problem with grsec kernels ?
11:02.24mek_hello, I just made a netinstall of debian testing and installed both mozilla and mozilla firefox. On both browsers, each time I try to download something (download manager starts) the browser freezes. I've been using debian for long and thats the first time I'm encountering such thing. googling didint help . Anyone experienced something similar?
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11:03.25valdynmek_: have you checked the bts?
11:03.30mek_valdyn: bts?
11:03.37valdyn!bts
11:03.37dpkgbts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/
11:03.43antgelmek_: does wget work for the same file?
11:03.45snailmek_: have you tried downloading from different sites? check to ensure that /tmp and /home/<username/ are working.
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11:03.52mek_antgel: it does of course
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11:04.34Juz_visitingtu bob2
11:05.11bombwtf?
11:05.15mek_anything with *tar.gz and the browser is dead.
11:05.23bombwhat does ignoring NICKS do if it doesn't ignore nick changes?
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11:05.49mek_actually it dies as soon as i click on the file link
11:06.07SammyTheSnakehas anyone else been getting "you have held broken packages" errors with aptitude? Is this something I need to worry about or will it fix itself after the next few updates? I just started getting them after the libc update this weekend...
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11:06.15mek_i think it has something to do with the download manager. on the other hand it is strange that both mozilla and mozilla firefox do the same
11:06.16bob2odd that /help ignore does say
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11:06.22bob2SammyTheSnake: on sid?
11:06.32antgelmek_: they share lots of code
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11:06.48SammyTheSnakebob2: testing
11:06.56bob2SammyTheSnake: normal, ignore it
11:07.07SammyTheSnakebob2: ta
11:07.44poncha|workguys, what should i set for static inet interface so resolvconf package would update resolv.conf accordingly ? right now it voids all nameserver entries completely (and search , too)
11:08.06antgelmek_: care to post a link? i just upgraded to 1.0.6 in sid and it crashed on clicking on a ps.gz file. it really is a piece of shit
11:08.09petemcponcha|work: have you checked the docs on resolvconf?
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11:10.32poncha|workpetemc, checked its manual, it says it uses hooks from dhcp and ifup/ifdown... but what should be ifup/ifdown hook i actually have no slightest idea :)
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11:10.35bombodd that everyone else doesn't use the same client as you do
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11:10.42bombthere is no /ignore help on my client.
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11:13.00poncha|workdamn... -a IFACE ! :P
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11:22.09antgelbuilding kernels with make-kpkg.  i have updated --append-to-version and not done a make-kpkg clean. got error "thought we were making <bleh> but version is <wank>".  why should i have to make-kpkg clean?  seems a waste of a make system, i.e. whole thing has to be rebuilt.
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11:24.25arcticstreuner: now debian doesnt start gdm/xorg
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11:26.41streunerarctic: what error?
11:26.58rixthI get these in my message log. Sep  5 22:55:28 bear -- MARK --. How can I increase the frequency that the kernel does that?
11:27.10streuner!mark
11:27.11dpkgit has been said that mark is Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. Or give Mark a root shell and he'll stop spamming your logs. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart
11:27.17mutzhey, i wanna build an debian image for some pcs. while nearly all machines do have different network cards i assume building all straight into the kernel will save me from not_finding_the_networkcards. my question now: would you recommend to build the drivers static into the channel or as modules?
11:27.30bibeantgel : I think it's more or less the same as doing a make without a make clean _after_ modifying EXTRAVERSION in the Makefile
11:27.34arcticstreuner: o do not have an error, he doestn start gdm anymore, the screen is black
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11:27.53bibemutz : I'd compile them as modules
11:28.03streunerarctic: try 'startx' then
11:28.06rixthstreuner, thanks
11:28.18mutzbibe: because the kernel won't get that big then?!
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11:28.33mutzbibe: does they surely get loaded then?
11:28.48streunerarctic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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11:29.15arcticstreuner: how do i change to textmode, while linux is starting up?
11:29.20streunerarctic: and read the log in /var/log/X*.log
11:29.21kikinovakHi. Tried to configure my two USB printers via udev, but udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/usb/lp0 is surprisingly laconic. What happened to model name, serial number and everything? Where have all the stanzas gone? (BTW: kernel 2.6.12 + udev)
11:29.26bibemutz : not only that, I wouldn't compile something _into_ the kernel without really needing that
11:29.30streunerarctic: /msg dpkg nodm
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11:29.52mutzbibe: ok thanks!
11:30.12bibemutz : and, if the modules get loaded with a stock kernel-image (or linux-image), they will get loaded with the new image too
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11:32.27mutzbibe: would you already recommend 2.6.x for servers?
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11:34.06bibemutz : I already use 2.6 kernels on all of my servers
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11:34.38mutzbibe: ok cool. thanks
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11:35.15bibemutz : I suggest you to use 2.4 if you have very old hardware, in my humble opinion 2.6's are already suitable for servers
11:36.12mutzbibe: hmm i got some "older" ones here.. but not too old also. 300mhz pentium II. i'll try 2.6
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11:38.13asmodaiii( Operating System ) Linux testing/unstable Kernel: 2.6.13, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Desktop: Fluxbox 0.9.12 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.4
11:38.47jethroasmodaiii: what's this ?
11:38.55HelmutGCan someone tell me why courier-authdaemon and courier-imapd do *not* care about the file /etc/pam.d/imap when authdaemon is configured to use pam?
11:39.04asmodaiiijethro: my cpu
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11:39.53jethroasmodaiii: you list every info but the one related to the CPU. my question is, what's the point of this?
11:40.31Eclipserjethro, it's a lame script
11:40.42Eclipserinfo no one cares about
11:40.45jethroEclipser: that's what I guessed. just wanted him to confirm this
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11:41.38jethroit reminds me on the ejeet warezmen using mIRC. it just lacks a few colors and blinking
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11:42.54GuerinLinux testing/unstable?
11:43.06Guerinbut 2.6.13 has been released already!
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11:46.28analiserhi
11:46.33warwAnyone in Debian ever experience the xterm scrolling bug?  Sometime, if you are tailing a file or something, there is a crap character that makes the xterm go crazy and then it makes the CPU chew up 100% of the CPU?
11:46.48asmodaiii<jethro> it reminds me on the ejeet warezmen using mIRC. it just lacks a few colors and blinking << humm if u want...
11:46.55resiakOh god...
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11:47.32resiakjethro: Put on your protective eyewear !
11:47.49jethroI'm wearing my glasses :)
11:47.51resiakwarw: Have you checked the BTS?
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11:48.43warwresiak, not yet
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11:50.33frw2097i have just installed the driver to a usb adsl modem, dmesg reports that the line is up and quotes the correct speeds. however it doesnt seem to have a /dev entry associated with it... how do i refer to it in order to use it to dial?
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11:51.05frw2097it uses pppoa
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11:53.17frw2097please anyone? its taken me over a day to just get this far and if i can just assign it to a device il be just about tere
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11:58.04resiakfrw2097: What makes you think that it should get an entry in /dev ?
11:58.33warwdoes dmesg say anything?
11:58.43frw2097resiak: well doesnt it need one in order for me to tell ppp which device to dial?
11:58.58resiakAh, of course.
11:59.28frw2097cxacru 1-1:1.0: ADSL line: attemtping to activate
11:59.28frw2097cxacru 1-1:1.0: ADSL line: channel analysis
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12:00.19frw2097when i plug it in it reports new device found and then loads the firmware i gave it but it never says what i should refer to it as
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12:01.14sepfrw2097, try ifconfig -a
12:01.15frw2097i tried adding an alias to modules.conf (through modutils)
12:01.29resiakfrw2097: Have you read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/configure.html ?
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12:02.04frw2097ifconfig comes back with lo,eth0,ppp0 and sit0
12:02.20frw2097i dont htink its pp0 i think i made that by accident while tryin to get it to work earlier
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12:02.29frw2097i have no idea what sit0 is tho
12:03.22midg3tip6 over ip4 tunnel
12:03.25midg3tmost users have it
12:03.48frw2097resiak: yes i have read that one, but like all the other guides it just seems to skip over the part where u get a device name, i think it just assumes i no, but im very new to this
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12:04.03resiakfrw2097: Hmm, fair enough. Never done it myself, so.
12:04.54frw2097is there a way to create the dev with mknod? i dont know what the major and minor numbers are rtho
12:05.10jm_frw2097: read devices.txt
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12:05.29frw2097jm_: where is that please?
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12:05.48jm_frw2097: /msg dpkg search
12:06.30DaFreshhi all, how can i know the different version in each Debian branch ?
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12:06.38fireba11?
12:06.46DaFreshversion / packages version
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12:06.52jm_DaFresh: p.d.o
12:06.53frw2097jm_: i am also very new to irc, how do i retrive that file from dpkg?
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12:06.58DaFreshversion / release ... sry for my english
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12:07.01jm_frw2097: you can't
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12:07.08KsiLaptopHello, anyone have experience setting up a VPN server with a road warrior configuration?
12:07.08ChrisHDaFresh: http://packages.debian.org okay?
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12:07.28ChrisHKsiLaptop: FreeS/WAN?
12:07.33xozfrw2097: man MAKEDEV
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12:07.36KsiLaptopChrisH: I'm open to anything.
12:07.40DaFreshChrisH: ok, thx
12:07.45frw2097jm_: i am confused :( how do i get to dvices.txt?
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12:08.06KsiLaptopIf it works and I don't need to pay to have it done for me, I'll be happy. ;)
12:08.07ChrisHKsiLaptop: We are using that at my employer. Although FreeS/WAN is slowly being replaced by OpenS/WAN.
12:08.17ChrisHKsiLaptop: Are the clients Debian, too?
12:08.28KsiLaptopChrisH: MacOS/Windows
12:08.34frw2097xoz: i have looked at that, but it doesnt seem to have an option for a usb ppp modem
12:08.36KsiLaptopPerhaps PalmOS.
12:09.01KsiLaptopPrimarily MacOS though.
12:09.01ChrisHKsiLaptop: Uh... Try www.openswan.org. Or google for OpenVPN which may be an alternative. Once of those two will probably do what you want.
12:09.05ChrisHKsiLaptop: Not sure about Palm though.
12:09.15KsiLaptopThat'll be a seperate hurdle.
12:09.18KsiLaptopheh
12:09.27ravoi installed the new 2.6.7-2-386.. now when hits bios check, it just freezes, but if i take the monitor cable out then plug it in half way through boot process and it works fine? i got that idea from someone who was having problems with his DVI input.. can anyone assist?
12:09.31ChrisHKsiLaptop: OpenS/WAN needs an IPSEC-capable peer. Windows can do that but I'm not sure if it's commercial. (There are some tips & tricks on the web.)
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12:09.45xozfrw2097: MAKEDEV has them
12:09.49ChrisHKsiLaptop: On the pro side... OpenS/WAN works with certificates which makes it pretty secure (unless someone steals your notebook).
12:09.50KsiLaptopChrisH: The main importance is the MacOS one.
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12:10.06ChrisHKsiLaptop: Try finding an IPSEC software for Mac. Then you are set.
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12:10.19KsiLaptopChrisH: pre-installed on the OS.
12:10.27frw2097xoz: but how does it know which bit of hardware to apply to? you dont tell it the module name do u?
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12:10.36ChrisHKsiLaptop: Perfect!
12:10.49KsiLaptopI assume apt-get install openswan?
12:10.50poncha|worki've installed some package with dpkg --force-depends -i ... (cause pkg names has changed and depends in that package has not been updated -- kdelibs4 changed name into kdelibs for instance)... but now apt wants to remove that package :) any chance to shut it up, or to cleanup the depends for this specific pkg ?
12:11.02ChrisHKsiLaptop: Yes... and read the /usr/share/doc/README.Debian.
12:11.25KsiLaptopAffirmative.
12:11.28ChrisHKsiLaptop: Sometimes you need to patch the kernel. Sometimes not. There is an IPSEC native implementation since kernel 2.6. But I'm not sure if it can handle NAT. There have been bugs/limitations int he past.
12:11.46KsiLaptopI just installed so I may not need to...
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12:12.21ravohi all, i installed the new 2.6.7-2-386.. now when it hits bios check (on boot) it just freezes, but if i take the monitor cable out before it starts booting lilo..  then plug it in half way through boot process then it will work fine? i got that idea from someone who was having problems with his DVI input (except this is normal RGB).. can anyone assist?
12:12.51KsiLaptopChrisH: Do you mind if I /msg you?
12:12.53Guerinravo: this has nothing to do with your kernel
12:13.05ChrisHKsiLaptop: No reaction time guaranteed since I'm at work. But feel free. :)
12:13.06ravoGuerin: it may not but on the 2.2 kernel from the boot cd, it never did this
12:13.13Guerinravo: this sounds to me like a bios issue
12:13.19ZorbidBrand noob here. dpkg doesn't work anymore (at least when called by apt-get) because it cannot find various files in the path anymore (ldconfig, start-stop-daemon, install-info, update-rc.d). It used to work, something got corrupted somewhere.
12:13.24KsiLaptopAlright, I guess I can just keep an eye on the channel.
12:13.39KsiLaptopActually, let me turn on the bell in irssi.
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12:13.49Guerinravo: well, at the point that bios does its checks and initialises video and so on, the disks aren't even read yet
12:13.54ChrisHZorbid: What did you do before it stopped working? :)
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12:14.02Guerinmuch less bootloader, filesystem and kernel
12:14.19ravoGuerin: true, seems weird it didnt do this before.. maybe i should just skip the bios check ?
12:14.21KsiLaptopChrisH: Do I want opportunistic encryption?
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12:14.28ChrisHKsiLaptop: No.
12:14.31KsiLaptopk
12:14.37nagytalpre
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12:14.43ChrisHKsiLaptop: That was a neat visionary experiment... but failed.
12:14.43ravoGuerin: or any idea on what i could do to fix the bios ?
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12:15.47Guerinravo: try updating it
12:15.48nagytalpwhat is the diference between xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg?
12:15.49KsiLaptopChrisH: I don't think the poor processor would enjoy that, its a PII 400MHz
12:16.16Guerinnagytalp: the same as the difference between a 2004 car and a 2005 car
12:16.20ChrisHKsiLaptop: If you don't need wire-speed there is hardly a problem.
12:16.27mikeXnagytalp, roughly
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12:16.32Guerinnagytalp: if you need to ask, use xfree
12:16.33ChrisHKsiLaptop: It will likely not give you 100Mbps encrypted data transfer.
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12:16.38hvalpA good program to rip a music cd?
12:16.46mikeXhvalp, gui?
12:16.47warwhvalp, ripperX
12:16.47Guerinhvalp: cdparanoia or abcde
12:16.47KsiLaptopChrisH: My cable modem wouldn't allow 100 Mbps ;)
12:16.48Kerrhvalp: grip
12:16.52mikeXhvalp, grip
12:16.54warwclick "rip" and done
12:16.56hvalpmikeX: gui
12:17.06Kerrhvalp: grip = win
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12:17.17hvalpis ripperX gui?
12:17.21warwyup
12:17.21mikeXhvalp, arson
12:17.22KsiLaptopHookay, webmin is no help making this simple for me, heh
12:17.22warwGTK1
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12:17.27nagytalpi do a dist-upgrade now and i dont know what is the good answer :)
12:17.29mikeXKerr, ?
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12:17.33ChrisHnagytalp: There has been a lot of fuss about teamwork and licensing and whatever in the XFree86 team. So some developers started working on X.org which is slowly replacing it.
12:17.35GuerinKsiLaptop: webmin is no help;
12:17.39ChrisHnagytalp: x.org should be okay.
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12:17.50KsiLaptopGuerin: It has some uses.
12:17.55nagytalp:)
12:17.59nagytalpthanx
12:18.09KerrmikeX: grip is gui and pretty much foolproof.
12:18.09GuerinKsiLaptop: yeah. i need a couple of extra relays.
12:18.22cmdKeenI have more packages of gcc installed, how can i chose version that will be used ?
12:18.32ChrisHnagytalp: x.org also has some nifty features like window drop-shadow effects. If you think your PC is fast enough... switch it on and cry. :)
12:18.35mikeXKerr, oh, i got it the wrong way :)
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12:18.47GuerincmdKeen: change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink or set CC environment variable
12:18.50ChrisHcmdKeen: aptitude will easily let you choose from the versions.
12:18.55SynrGmorning
12:18.55nagytalp:))
12:19.02ChrisHcmdKeen: Or use gcc-4.0 if you need 4.0
12:19.09ChrisHSynrG: Holy master... :)
12:19.11Guerindoes anything need 4.0?
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12:19.22hvalpLol it takes 444 minutes to rip a cd
12:19.24nagytalpp2-450 :)
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12:19.25hvalpwith 12 tracks?
12:19.26SynrGChrisH: eheh.  hardly :)
12:19.33Guerinlast i heard it was still breaking things horribly
12:19.52ZorbidChrisH: I can't tell exactly what broke it. It stopped working a few days ago, late at night, and I went to sleep.. I'm using the Woody image provided by coLinux, and I've set up the network, and installed X, KDE, emacs, and maybe some other packages.
12:19.56fireba11the woes of new major versions .. ^^
12:20.01SynrGChrisH: i've recently discovered and am having a bit of fun with python-wxgtk2.6
12:20.09KsiLaptopChrisH: Is there a guide somewhere? So that I don't need to bug you for the last few legs of this. I just want shared secrets, I'll get savvy with keys later.
12:20.16ChrisHZorbid: Did you install anything that is not a package? Have you perhaps been hacked? Did you remove or rename files manually?
12:20.17mikeXhvalp, maybe a scratched one, you could also use less paranoia
12:20.21brainwormi want to compile a 32 bit kernel from my kernel source that is now generating a 64 bit kernel, can i change something in the kernel make files to achieve this ?
12:20.37ChrisHSynrG: I'm playing with Python, too, now. eric is pretty nice. :)
12:20.41cmdKeenGuerin: thats it, thanks.
12:20.52SynrGChrisH: but this gui stuff ... a humbling experience.  years of doing non-gui programming, and this is something entirely different.
12:20.54ChrisHKsiLaptop: I wanted to write a wiki article for it. But didn't find time so far. :(
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12:21.10ChrisHSynrG: I'd rather try python-qt3 :)
12:21.29ravoChrisH: what would you suggest with this potential bios issue ?
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12:21.45SynrGChrisH: isn't that tricky for cross-platform devevelopment due to licensing for the wintel platform?
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12:21.48KsiLaptopChrisH: Ahh, time. Something I had last week that's about to go to shit in the coming weeks...
12:21.54ChrisHravo: Sorry, didn't follow that issue. :(
12:21.58SynrGChrisH: s/evev/ev/
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12:22.12ChrisHSynrG: That would mean I'd care for wintel. :)
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12:22.19ravoGuerin: what would you suggest for bios issue
12:22.25SynrGChrisH: hah.  well, in game development I have to care.
12:22.27ravoChrisH: oops sorry it was guerin that suggested it : )
12:22.32Guerinravo: did I not already suggest you flash your bios?
12:22.36Guerinyeh :)
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12:22.40ZorbidChrisH: I editted some config files manually to be able to use the X server through the network (coLinux can't access the video card buffer) I didn't install or delete anything by hand.
12:22.44SynrGChrisH: xpilot-ng supports wintel.  so wx is a good way to get there.
12:22.58ChrisHKsiLaptop: Set it up following the docs at www.openswan.org and www.freeswan.org. And start with fixed passwords ("pre-shared keys").
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12:23.02ravoGuerin: sorry i just saw u said try updating it :) might as well give it a go i guess :)
12:23.12KsiLaptopChrisH: k
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12:23.22ChrisHZorbid: Hmmm, that doesn't sound good then.
12:23.27xozis it possible to forward ports in ssh twice, i.e., forward port 1232 from A to B and from B to C?
12:23.28Guerinravo: careful as you go. It can be a tricky business.
12:23.38SynrGxoz: yes
12:23.38Guerinxoz: yeah
12:23.39ChrisHZorbid: If you can... save /etc and reinstall.
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12:24.16ZorbidOk
12:24.58xozssh -L 1232:A:1232 B,  then in B, ssh -L 1232:B:1232 C?
12:25.16SynrGxoz: ssh -L1232:localhost:1232 B 'ssh -L1232:localhost:1232 C'
12:25.28xozSynrG: ah, thanks.
12:25.30ZorbidBTW I assume that there are shell scripts similar to autoexec.bat in DOS, but I don't know their names/locations.
12:25.33SynrGthe host mentioned in -L is relative to the destination
12:25.42SynrGI'm assuming you're starting from A
12:25.49xozSynrG: got it.
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12:26.49SynrGxoz: but this can be simplified
12:26.54KsiLaptopBah, I'm going to go home and do this, SSH keeps disconnecting.
12:26.55GuerinZorbid: it's a wee bit more complicated than that, but in debian, they're in /etc/init.d and /etc/rc?.d
12:26.59SynrGif you're just trying to get to C from A through B ...
12:27.06ravoGuerin: thats what im worrying about, ive only ever done it on new bioses before.. need to find out where i can even get an update for this old k6 box
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12:27.15SynrGxoz: ssh -L1232:C:1232 B
12:27.26Guerinravo: heh, good luck with that all
12:27.27snorksHi. Is Sarge the newest (but unstable)?
12:27.40SynrGxoz: A connects to B and forwards local port 1232 through B to C
12:27.42DarkAnarchsnorks: Sarge is stable
12:27.46snorksDarkAnarch: ok
12:28.08DarkAnarchsnorks: Sid is newest, but not stable at all
12:28.35xozSynrG: thanks. i think that's it.
12:28.41SynrGxoz: that's a fairly common situation.  A's network firewall prohibits connecting to port 1232 on C, but you have connectivity to a host B where you have a shell account
12:28.50SynrGxoz: so you just "bounce" it through B
12:28.51DarkAnarchsnorks: Sarge has been released just recently, so it might be what you would want if you want a nice stable distro
12:29.34snorksDarkAnarch: ah ok. i remember before when i used debian, sarge was the testing distro, unstable
12:29.34Zorbidthanks again. On a third and rather unrelated topic do you know where I could find help about X servers for Win32? I'm curretly using Xming, but it crashes very often.
12:29.42snorksDarkAnarch: perhaps woody was stable? I don't remember
12:29.59DarkAnarchsnorks: it was, now sarge finally is released :)
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12:30.01ChrisHZorbid: Exceed is nice but expensive.
12:30.06snorksDarkAnarch: ok cool
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12:31.31ZorbidI'll give a look at their web site
12:31.43maltehi. i'm using an IBM T22 with debian unstable, kernel 2.6.11 (built from kernel-sources package) - the problem is i can't get the computer to go to standby mode. i've tried stuff like "sudo echo -n "mem" > /sys/power/state", but always get permission denied
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12:32.53ZorbidThanks for everything :)
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12:32.53HelmutGAre there known problems with courier and pam? (like ignoring restrictions)
12:33.01maltei've compiled support for acpi and ibm-acpi
12:33.02YGingrashi, what should I use for disk cloning (ie ghost replacement)
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12:33.23GuerinYGingras: dd can work.
12:34.00cahootsdd
12:34.10YGingrasGuerin, I mean the whole hard drive, I can't easily take the drives from all my boxen : \
12:34.17HelmutGYGingras: There are different approaches. I'd say the "main" approaches are cloning disks (including filesystem), cloning files (excluding filesystem), clong installation (fai for instance).
12:34.41GuerinYGingras: i'd use rsync, personally, but that's not strictly a cloning system.
12:34.53Guerinwon't back up your mbr, etc.
12:35.00cahootYGingras: look at sdd
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12:35.16GuerinYGingras: what about dd prevents it from working with the drive safely in the computer?
12:35.42YGingrasHelmutG, yes, for the Debian partition I can easily replicate the system with dpkg --set-selections, the mail problem is that I have to maintian a Windows partition too : \
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12:36.13HelmutGYGingras: You'll problably want cloning disks then.
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12:36.58HelmutGNow back to my question. How to make courier-authdaemon with authpam *not* ignore a pam_wheel.so statement in /etc/pam.d/imap?
12:37.27GuerinHelmutG: i take it #courier is empty?
12:37.41HelmutGGuerin: Empty is the wrong word. Idle fits better.
12:37.48GuerinFair.
12:38.01HelmutGI waited about two days ...
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12:38.04Guerinhaha
12:38.19HelmutGAnd I think this problem is Debian specific.
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12:38.42HelmutGThe /etc/pam.d/imap already was target of a bugreport.
12:38.54YGingrasGuerin, can I load the image from the network ? (sorry if this is a dumb question, I kind of noob at system administation)
12:38.55xozSynrG: would this work for vnc? im trying to access vncserver in C from A thru B
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12:39.36HelmutGYGingras: Have a look at udpcast if you are syncing more that two machines.
12:40.10GuerinYGingras: sure. you'd need a running *nix-like system on the target machine for restoration; any livecd wwould do.
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12:40.31HelmutGGuerin: Do you have an idea about where to get help? I think i catched most thinks like google, strace, etc.
12:40.32deckriderhi, I'm using debian/sarge.  I want to use netapplet to connect to an 802.11b enctypted network that does not broadcast its ssid.  This works the first time I enter everything, including saving it to the gnome key ring.  However after reboot, it seems that I have to enter both the SSID and its Key again....and again....   How can I make the Key for this SSID retrievable?
12:40.57YGingrasGuerin, like: sdd http://... /dev/sda ?
12:41.22DarkAnarchsnake skin tastes better
12:41.26GuerinYGingras: i don't know sdd; only dd. I presume they're related.
12:41.27DarkAnarchwhoops... wrong channel
12:41.47GuerinHelmutG: there ARE some people who might know in here... but i'd say this might be better asked on a mailing list.
12:41.49lanchowQ: automount creates the directory with root:root, so i can't write with users, any help please ?
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12:42.00GuerinHelmutG: just because it's faily in-depth
12:42.17HelmutGGuerin: Unfortunately my mail setup is currently broken due to courier. *g*
12:42.18spherefaily
12:42.20Guerinlanchow: don't use automount -> problem solved
12:42.24spherethat sounds ominous
12:42.25GuerinHelmutG: heh
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12:42.34Guerinsphere: fleudian slip
12:42.40sphere:))
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12:45.35YGingrasGuerin, what is the proper aproach with dd, nfs mount the source image ?
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12:46.03deltronanyone having really slow speeds from archive.progeny.com?
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12:47.37j_gettohi, im using Sarge 3.1 stable, trying to compile kernel (2.6.13) so I can use an onboard sis190 network card, but make modules returns numerous warnings and errors when it reaches drivers/char/drm, I'd appreciate any help
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12:48.26abrotmandoes it even compile cleanly? are you using make-kpkg?
12:48.40abrotmanj_getto: and what kernel are you running on the box now?
12:49.44ma3xhey can you open google.com?
12:49.44j_gettowell, I bzImage seemed to compile cleanly, i wasn't using make -kpkg, just following a readme from the sis website to install the driver, I'm a linux novice
12:49.53ma3xit seems its down
12:50.05ma3xoh it works now
12:50.30abrotmanj_getto: and what kernel are you running on the box now?
12:50.59j_gettorunning whatever kernel was the standard 2.6 install from the dvd image, 2.6.8 I think
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12:51.26ravoGuerin: im pritty sure its not the bios as if i boot the old kernel 2.2.20 it boots fine after the bios check.. i installed 2.6.8-2-386 since theres no k6 specific package for any of the 2.6 kernels?? i fear this maybe the problem? as ive installed other 2.6 package kernels fine on pentiums etc that had the right image for the cpu
12:51.47HelmutGIs there any reason for courier's authdaemone does obey pam_nologin.so but ignore pam_wheel.so?
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12:52.06Stealth_Lis there any way to list the allready installed programs with apt-get?
12:52.13fireba11ravo: you could use 2.8.6-686 though
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12:52.23abrotmanj_getto: can you make sure ... if you're running a 2.4 .. you would need to install newer module-init-tools to run 2.6 correctly
12:52.26ravofireba11: dpkg -l
12:52.28KsileboAlrighty then.
12:52.31abrotmanStealth_L: dpkg -l
12:52.38Stealth_Lthx
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12:54.21KsileboHarsh.
12:54.34abrotmanj_getto: and do you *require* 2.6.13 for your NIC ?
12:55.19j_gettoabrotman: It's definitely not 2.4, if I didn't try to install the 2.6 kernel the install failed, I don't require 2.6.13, anything from 2.6.9 is fine i think, just downloaded the newest one
12:55.29ravohi all, i installed the new 2.6.7-2-386.. now when it hits bios check (on boot) it just freezes, but if i take the monitor cable out before it starts booting lilo..  then plug it in half way through boot process then it will work fine? i got that idea from someone who was having problems with his DVI input (except this is normal RGB).. can anyone assist?
12:55.51abrotmanj_getto: grab a kernel-image from etch and give it a whirl
12:56.03abrotman!info kernel-image-2.6.11-686 etch
12:56.19j_gettothanks, I'll look into that
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12:56.33abrotman!info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 etch
12:56.35ponchoHello.!
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12:56.39dpkgkernel-image-2.6.11-1-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-7 (etch), Packaged size: 15595 kB, Installed size: 45844 kB
12:57.03abrotmanj_getto: or whichever you have -k7 or -386 etc
12:57.14Guerinravo: don't use -686; k6es aren't 686-compatible
12:57.20j_getto!info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 etch
12:57.23dpkgkernel-image-2.6.11-1-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-7 (etch), Packaged size: 15595 kB, Installed size: 45844 kB
12:57.26fireba11Guerin: not ? ups
12:57.27ravoguerin: i wasnt i said i used 386
12:57.27Guerinfireba11: if you don't know, please don't guess
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12:57.37Guerinravo: yeah, that's the right choice
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12:57.41ravoGuerin: [13:55] ravo: hi all, i installed the new 2.6.7-2-38
12:57.53Guerinravo: i know, I was referring to what fireba11 said
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12:57.55fireba11Guerin: sorry .. was pretty sure about that and would have used it myself ...
12:57.56ravoGuerin: its def a kernel issue i just dont know what :)
12:58.01j_getto!info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 etch
12:58.04dpkgkernel-image-2.6.11-1-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-7 (etch), Packaged size: 14167 kB, Installed size: 42816 kB
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12:58.15Guerinravo: well, that's bizarre.
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12:58.32ravoGuerin: i know :) i might downgrade to 2.4 now as its better than 2.2..
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12:58.40ravothen see again
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12:59.22lanchowQ: a 'mount /dev/sda1' with a user works (fstab ok) but a 'cd /mnt/donnees' with automount makes dir perms root:root, any idea ?
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13:00.02JenetikIs there a HOWTO for installing VMWare on debian?  I got the .tar.gz from debian's page and the rpm won't install.. after running vmware-config.pl, it errors out saying the virtual machine is not installed, and when I try to reconfigure it gives a config error against /etc/init.d/vmware (lines 1008 and 931)[: -: integer expression expected..  any ideas?
13:00.18abrotman!vmware
13:00.19dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily
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13:00.37abrotmanJenetik: ask #vmware maybe ?
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13:01.19JenetikWhat's ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware going to do for me?
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13:01.29Jenetikthere is no README
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13:01.41resiakIt's going to eat your children.
13:01.45fireba11^^
13:01.55abrotmani think the readme is with your vmware software
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13:03.43Jenetikvt-williston-cuda1h4-79:/home/jenetik/vmware-distrib# ls doc/
13:03.43JenetikEULA  open_source_licenses.txt
13:04.02ravoGuerin: bleh 2.4 works, that'll do :)
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13:05.46Guerinravo: fair play
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13:05.56Guerinravo: might be worth talking to lkml about
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13:14.03moshiiYGingras: I used a qtparted to do it before ... there a bootable version I think
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13:15.12streunerRuzbeh: use .xsession
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13:16.01Ruzbehstreuner, alright
13:16.01YGingrasmoshii, excellent, I missed the release when they added NTFS suppor! : D
13:16.26moshiiYGingras: I think that's the one I used anyways ;)
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13:16.59moshiiYGingras: NTFS is supported, says so on the website :)
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13:18.24n0cturnalis there any way i can push a gnome-session into the background if i'm using putty to forward it to a cygwin x server here? can i go home and view it from there?
13:18.38GobHello guys. i just finished to install my first debian sarge :-)  I need to add some users without shell ( without ssh login posibility). someone can help me pelase ?
13:19.19petemcGob: and what will those users be doing?
13:19.20sepGob, what should they have access too then ?
13:19.22abrotmanGob: set shell to /bin/false
13:19.45eliripshello. it's OT, but maybe someone could help me too: What is this called: If I watch a movie on my laptop via the tv-out, I need to disable the LCD, if not, I will only see a blackbox on the tv where the movie is supposed to be. If I disable the LCD watching the movie on the TV works fine. But what is this 'effect' called like?
13:19.46moshiiGob: ftp users can be setup with pam I think..
13:19.51abrotmanpetemc: you know .. like uhm .. users with nothing to do .. Managers
13:19.57jethroheh
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13:20.02Gobi must create users for email accounts (postfix i think)
13:20.05petemcabrotman: im a manager!
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13:20.13abrotmanpetemc: and yet .. you sit on irc all day :)
13:20.13sepGob, you could use virtual postfix users
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13:20.29jethroGob: don't use system accounts for that, use virtual users, as sep pointed out
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13:20.32petemcabrotman: ah now, im not here all day, just 18 hours or so :)
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13:20.51abrotmanpetemc: bah .. you're such a lazy manager you can't even find the apostrophe key!
13:20.52abrotman:)
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13:21.12petemc:)
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13:21.46HelmutGHi again. Does someone know a pam plugin doing the same as pam_wheel.so but also failing when the user is not root?
13:21.59Gobjethro: lol but i don't know how to do that.. someone told me that i must create simple users with adduser command) but the they don't have the ssh permission
13:22.21abrotmanGob: you can do that .. but the preferred method would be to make the postfix virtual users
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13:22.33jethroGob: it's wiser to learn about virtual accounts IMHO. creating system accounts just for email is dangerous
13:22.57Gobabrotman: and is difficult to do that  ? (virtual users ?)
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13:23.35sepgob   http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/  nice howto, it contains lots more then you need, just pick what you want
13:23.39abrotmanno .. #postfix should be able to point you to good docs
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13:24.34Gobok guys thanks a lot.. i will read some docs about that !
13:24.38Gobthanks again !
13:24.42Gobnice day
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13:25.17clustywhat is the line that gives me access to non-free, non-us testing packages?
13:25.27clustyi cannot seem to get it right
13:25.45Guerinclusty: /msg dpkg non-free
13:26.00clustythanx
13:26.01Guerinand read the topic about non-us
13:26.15deckriderclusty: usually there is an example in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/
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13:27.30clustyyeah, i know
13:27.42clustybut there is stable non-free. i need testing non free
13:27.49Guerinif you know, why are you asking us?
13:27.57Guerinthe syntax is the same regardless of branch
13:28.00deckrideroh, then Guerin's answer is better
13:28.17clustyguyz guyz, what is with this hostility :-D
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13:28.22Guerinhah
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13:28.26Guerinthis isn't hostility
13:28.28clustyi am asking since the usual way does not work
13:28.30clusty:-D
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13:28.42clustyi changed stable to testing but does not work
13:29.05Guerinclusty: there's no non-us currently; that's the only difference
13:29.06abrotmandefine doesn't work
13:29.11abrotman!non-us
13:29.11dpkgi heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ...
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13:29.29Guerinanyway, my -> bed
13:29.36jethrogood night Guerin
13:29.52ZorbidBye
13:29.55hairy_potterhi dpkg!
13:29.56Guerinjethro: night's not over yet :)
13:29.57clustyexcelent
13:29.58clustythanx
13:30.01hairy_potterdpkg: how do you do? :)
13:30.15hairy_potterit doesn't want to talk to me :(
13:30.25abrotmandpkg: hi
13:30.25dpkghello, abrotman
13:30.31hairy_potterdpkg: hi
13:30.35hairy_potter... ;/
13:30.38abrotmandpkg: hi
13:30.38dpkghello, abrotman
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13:30.54abrotmandpkg: dance
13:30.55hairy_potterabrotman: she doesn't like me :(
13:31.11abrotmanhairy_potter: try dpkg: fart
13:31.14hairy_potterdpkg: fart
13:31.20hairy_potterhmm
13:31.24hairy_potteranyway
13:31.25hairy_potter:D
13:31.34hairy_potterall I got was some gas in return
13:31.34abrotmanhairy_potter: if you repeat something too soon after someone .. dpkg won't listen
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13:31.54GodKilla-hey
13:32.00GodKilla-i installed cupsys
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13:32.08GodKilla-but it doesnt find my printer
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13:32.19clusty!crypto
13:32.20dpkgCryptographic software is classified as munitions (military weapons) under US export laws.  This has changed a bit recently, but it's still legally problematic to export cryptographic software from inside the US.  That's why the non-US (cryptographic) section of Debian is hosted on machines that are NOT physically or politically inside the US.  Ask me about "non-US" or "non-US mirrors".
13:32.21takatumihairy_potter: try !greetings
13:33.06hairy_potterapt_: hi
13:33.19hairy_potter!greetings
13:33.19dpkghello, hairy_potter
13:33.49jhaigAccording to "/msg dpkg kernel", the latest stable kernel is 2.6.13.  However, the latest image I can find in aptitude is 2.6.11, and the latest version of the sources is 2.6.8 (which will not compile with gcc 4.0, according to the bug mailing list).  Where can I find the source for 2.6.13?
13:33.50takatumias if.
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13:34.09abrotmanjhaig: kernel.org
13:34.14abrotman!tell jhaig about kp
13:34.17ChrisHGodKilla-: how did you try to setup the printer?
13:34.33takatumijhaig: vi Makefile CC
13:34.36jhaigThanks abrotman
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13:35.01petwhat is again the command to pause or to stop a wget download ??? i don t remeber any more ...
13:35.14hairy_potterpet: ^Z
13:35.27bibejhaig : you can find linux sources at ftp.kernel.org
13:35.33petmagic... thanks
13:35.36GodKilla-ChrisH: apt-get install cupsys
13:36.04GodKilla-ChrisH: then System -> Systemmanagement -> Printer
13:36.30GodKilla-undeer windows it works perfectly plugged into TCP1
13:36.33hairy_potterI'm sure pet is going to screw up his downloads by doing several control Zs and then starting a new wget everytime ;)
13:36.42ChrisHGodKilla-: Gnome?
13:36.47GodKilla-ye,s gnome
13:36.48hairy_potterof course that by itself isn't harmful as long as he doesn't resume his older wget ;)
13:36.51abrotmanyou could use trickle to limit the download
13:36.58abrotmanor wget might have it built in
13:37.03ChrisHGodKilla-: And you tried to add a network or local printer?
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13:37.20NegativePlazma!glade
13:37.21dpkgi heard glade is the Gtk+ GUI builder at http://glade.pn.org, or the company that does annoying "Glade plug-ins" commericals, or see <gazpacho>
13:37.23GodKilla-ChrisH: local printer
13:37.31abrotman!gazpacho
13:37.32dpkggazpacho is, like, A fresh new GUI builder for the GTK+ toolkit designed to be ultra easy to use: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ or see <glade>
13:37.42pabs3jhaig: there are debian 2.6.12 kernels, and 2.6.13 is being worked on
13:37.44NegativePlazmagazpacho eh?
13:37.46ChrisHGodKilla-: And what did you miss then? The driver?
13:38.18GodKilla-ChrisH: when i go to Next i get a list of 6 printer manufacters, but none of those is Canon , which is mine
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13:38.37ChrisHGodKilla-: Did you install the foomatic packages? (apt-cache search foomatic)
13:38.37abaGodKilla-: which printer do you have?
13:38.50GodKilla-ChrisH: no :P thanks will do now
13:39.01ChrisHGodKilla-: They contain the actual database with hundreds of printers.
13:39.04NegativePlazmawork time
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13:39.26GodKilla-foomatic-db - linuxprinting.org printer support - database
13:39.28GodKilla-this?
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13:39.43ChrisHGodKilla-: I recommend... foomatic-bin, foomatic-db, foomatic-filters...
13:39.52GodKilla-ChrisH: thanks a lot
13:40.03jhaigpabs3: I can only see 2.6.12.  Anyway, I'm not desperate for the latest version, but the latest version I can find in aptitude with not compile.  I just want to add one patch (for supermount).
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13:40.14ChrisHGodKilla-: You are welcome. :)
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13:40.39valdyn!setup cups
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13:41.25valdyn!cups setup
13:41.26dpkgrumour has it, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db.  Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer.  Enjoy!
13:41.28rsshello, I have got a pre-historic laptop here -- Sony Vaio PCG-F270, How to type the pipe?
13:41.29abrotman!your factoids
13:41.29dpkgMy factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived.
13:41.37walaoahow to register for #linux? it only tells you to do it, without telling you how.
13:41.47valdyn!register
13:41.48asgwalaoa: /msg nickserv help
13:41.51ChrisHGreat.
13:41.52abrotmanrss: should be on ytour keyboard somewhere
13:42.00resiakrss: Try shift-every key in sight :)
13:42.01abrotman!coffee asg
13:42.19walaoaasg: did that, but nothing come out.
13:42.25rsswell it is there in the left tick key
13:42.26abrotmanasg: i never saw spoopin
13:42.35valdyndpkg: register is '/msg nickserv help'
13:42.35dpkgokay, valdyn
13:42.37rssbut can't figure out how to type it
13:42.39rssdid that
13:42.48asgabrotman: no worries, we managed to get together anyway.
13:42.48resiakrss: AltGr-backtick ?
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13:43.05abrotmanrss: what other letters are on the key ?
13:43.07rssno result
13:43.15rssone reverse L
13:43.21rssother than those two
13:43.27resiakrss: Shift-\ ?
13:43.40rssno
13:43.42resiak:(
13:43.47abrotmanis it an english keyboard?
13:43.59rssit is a qwerty keyboard
13:44.11rsswith british currency symbol
13:44.18abrotmanthere's a reverse L on the same key as the | ?
13:44.20rssinstead of #
13:44.29rssyes
13:44.38abrotmanwtf is a reverse L
13:44.40resiakabrotman: The boolean not, ` and | are normally all on the same key for en_gb
13:44.41abrotmancrazy brits
13:44.53rssno idea
13:45.05resiakabrotman: ¬
13:45.13resiakabrotman: Boolean not
13:45.20rssya the last character
13:45.26abrotmani'm so glad i'm not british :)
13:45.35rsseven I am not
13:45.46petemcme too!
13:45.47henrik_Hi! I'm running Debian Etch (and no other OS) on my home computer. Now it's full of crap and bad configurations, due to the fact that I was a newbie Debian user when I first installed it. The / is installed on hda and /home is hdb, How do I reinstall the complete system without touching my files in /home ? (hope you understand my question)
13:45.52petemcoh wait, im from northern ireland..
13:45.56resiak!reinstall
13:45.56dpkgmethinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install
13:45.57asgabrotman: you miss out on having a great tolerance for booze
13:46.02resiakhenrik_: Just tell d-i not to touch /home
13:46.05rsshey! I figured it out!
13:46.08rss|||
13:46.11rssYES!
13:46.11resiakrss: Where was it?
13:46.15abrotmanasg: no i don't :)
13:46.21asgbah
13:46.29rsson the key with tilde and #
13:46.31abrotmanasg: i blame my genes :)
13:46.32jhaigkenrik_ Reinstall, but make sure you don't set hdb to be formatted when you get to the partitioning section.
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13:46.47rssI had press shift plus that key
13:46.49rsswow
13:46.50asgabrotman: not much you can do about that
13:46.53resiakrss: It's on that for me, but only because I have US Dvorak loaded :)
13:46.53valdynhenrik_: d-i shows a skull or somesuch on partitions that its going to erase, just dont format hdb
13:47.07rssI am typing qwerty
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13:47.09abrotmanasg: thank goodness :)
13:47.11asgheh
13:47.13resiakrss: BAD PERSON
13:47.20rsswho?
13:47.23resiakYOU
13:47.26rssme or you
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13:47.30rssWHY?
13:47.35rssoh!
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13:47.47henrik_Thanks, but how do I tell it to mount hdb as /home and will it automatically use my old usernames?
13:47.50rssyou had advised that looonng ago
13:48.09GodKilla-ChrisH: hat to do if my printer isnt available in the list?
13:48.16rssto try hitting shift and all other keys, right?
13:48.17valdynhenrik_: it wont use your old usernames, but if you do not format hdb then the directories will remain there, just recreate your old users
13:48.20resiakhenrik_: You tell it to make hdb your /home, and not to make a new filesystem.
13:48.23abrotmanresiak: more of a halo
13:48.23GodKilla-what*
13:48.26resiakabrotman: Heh.
13:48.31hcyi have this little widget thingy on my taskbar at the top that's supposed to show how much of the processor is being used.  lately it's been saying 100% when nothing's supposed to be running.  Is there a way I can see which apps are using how much of the processor?
13:48.45hairy_potterhcy: top
13:48.48pabs3jhaig: .13 is being worked on : http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
13:48.49bob2hcy: 'top'
13:48.54abrotmanhcy: top
13:48.54rssresiak:  is that the reason?
13:48.58ChrisHGodKilla-: try a similar printer. Most of the time models are very similar that sound similar.
13:49.00henrik_resiak: Thanks!
13:49.02abrotmani'm so slow
13:49.13hairy_potter~lose abrotman
13:49.14aptabrotman: You Lose.
13:49.15GodKilla-mine is Canon i865
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13:49.23hcythanks hairy_potter and bob2  and abrotman
13:49.33rssresiak
13:49.35rss!
13:49.38rssthanks
13:49.45GodKilla-the msot similar would be BJC-880J
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13:49.49rssthanks all, bye!
13:49.55hairy_potterhcy: how did you manage to include all our nicks?
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13:50.04deepaz/usr/bin/ld: cannot find lltdl
13:50.20deepazthis is the eror i am getting inmake step of netflow package
13:50.27deepazwhat does it mean
13:50.58abrotmanit's looking for some library you apparently don't ahve installed
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13:51.02bob2install build-essential
13:51.02asgdeepaz: apt-cache search ltdl
13:51.07hairy_potterdeepa means light-source
13:51.17deepazyes
13:51.22bob2and libltdl3-dev
13:51.24hairy_potterdeepaz means light-sourcez
13:51.35bob2...
13:51.35walaoahow to make giam save  the messages i had sent?
13:51.39deepazyes i know
13:51.44hcyhairy_potter: what's the problem to include more than one nick?
13:51.45hairy_potterwalaoa: by enabling archiving
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13:52.00resiakwalaoa: Turn on logging. This is probably a question better asked in #gaim
13:52.02hairy_potterhcy: I thought you had some automagic way of including all those who replied to you :P
13:52.09hairy_potterhcy: otherwise there is really no problem :)
13:52.17hairy_potterhcy: except the manual typing, that is ;)
13:52.26hcyhairy_potter: i just waved my magic wand and said 'nicknamoso' - you should know that
13:52.36hairy_potterhcy: oh
13:52.38hairy_potterhcy: let me try...
13:52.40walaoaok, guys, got it, thks.
13:53.10hcynow one more question  - how can i get root to run a certain program NOT as root - as a regular user
13:53.10hairy_potternicknamoso: sorry, you need to provide the right registration key
13:53.26Blissexhcy: 'su -c', 'sudo'
13:53.28takatumi3 Seconds.
13:53.28hairy_potterhcy: su - <user> -c
13:53.51hairy_potterhcy: or if you use zsh, UID=<userid> <command-name> :)
13:54.20SynrGxoz: yes, it works for vnc.  that's precisely what i use it for.
13:54.22hcyhairy_potter: maybe the ministry blocks nicknamoso usage outside of hogwarts... we just got wireless in here
13:54.54hcyBlissex, hairy_potter: which of those would be best to use in a startup script in /etc/rc2.d/ ?
13:54.55deepazasg:it says it  a system independent dlopen wrapper for GNU libtool
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13:55.09Blissexhcy: 'su'
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13:55.13hairy_potterhcy: su
13:55.17walaoawhy #linux has to make it difficult for people to participate in it?
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13:55.29bob2because IRC bginrs out the worst in people
13:55.29hcywalaoa: i use #linuxhelp
13:55.31hairy_potterwalaoa: because #debian rules :)
13:55.32bob2er, brings
13:55.48bob2deepaz: sudo aptitude install build-essential libltdl3-dev
13:55.51hcywalaoa: (when it's not debian related)
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13:55.53bob2deepaz: ...
13:55.55bob2deepaz: profit!
13:56.00joefso3__I did --get-selections but now I want to install the packages
13:56.02deepazyo
13:56.02joefso3__what do I do?
13:56.27walaoai have enabled logging in gaim, but how to recall old input msg?
13:56.32bob2joefso3__: if you mean --set-selections, man apg-get; hint: dselect-upgrade
13:56.38bibe!reinstall
13:56.38dpkgfrom memory, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install
13:57.09abrotman!debian clone
13:57.09dpkgOne method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade".
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13:58.12samuelok, if i use gtk2-theme-switch to use gtk themes in e17, how can i start up a theme automatically? just using the command line option?
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13:59.49dracGUI software (qt, kdelibs, gtk, gtk2 without gnomelibs) to configure CUPS/Foomatic, Epson C42UX printer?
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14:00.05dracFoomatic-gui or gnome-cups-manager look-a-like but without all that gnomelibs hassle
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14:00.21dracmy searches resulted.. nothing :/
14:00.30ircdevilxdvi need colors :o(
14:00.58hcyis it normal to be seeing 7 instances of apachectl graceful in ps aux ?  does that mean it's running seven times?
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14:01.28hairy_potterhcy: yup
14:01.38hcyhairy_potter: yup to which question?
14:01.45hairy_potterhcy: apache instances
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14:01.55hcyhairy_potter: normal or problem?
14:02.19hairy_potterhcy: I have just answered your question :)
14:02.28hairy_potterhcy: "is it normal to be seeing..."? "yes".
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14:02.53hcyhairy_potter: ah, but i asked two questions on that line... i was assuming that if it means that it's running seven times, then it's not normal
14:03.35hairy_potterhcy: I didn't assume so :)
14:03.56hairy_potterhcy: there are several reasons why it may be doing so
14:03.57boguhim searching an mp3 encoder with gut. any hints?
14:04.08hairy_potterhcy: either it spawned the 'spare-children'
14:04.11boguhs/gut/gui
14:04.18fireba11hcy: as far as i can tell it depends .. if your apache is heavily used it could be normal
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14:04.54asgboguh: try grip
14:05.03hairy_potterhcy: or it could have just been getting a lot of requests. On my box (default debian 'sid' install) there are exactly 7 instances.
14:05.21asgboguh: /msg dpkg lame (for the mp3 encoder bit)
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14:05.38hairy_potterhcy: and grep -i spare /etc/apache/httpd.conf...
14:06.03hairy_potterhcy: shows min-spare = 5 and max-spare = 10.
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14:07.01hairy_potterasg: lame has a GUI?
14:07.21bob2it had some visualisation thing
14:07.26hcyhairy_potter: something is HORRIBLY slowing me down, and i can't figure out what it is :(
14:07.35hairy_potterhcy: top
14:07.53fireba11hcy: check for loads of ram and/or CPU ...
14:07.59hcyi have top running in a terminal, but when the computer hangs for a few seconds, so does top
14:08.12fireba11hum .. that doesn't sound nice
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14:08.28hairy_potterit so happened that some helper-boys silently stole one of the two RAM modules in one of the previous companies that I worked for ... :O
14:08.52fireba11hairy_potter: out of the pc ?
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14:09.15GodKilla-ChrisH: thanks again, it works now, bye :)
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14:09.17hairy_potterfireba11: yeah
14:09.18*** part/#debian GodKilla- (i=bigboss@84.113.128.191)
14:09.19ChrisHGodKilla-: Great.
14:09.21hairy_potterfireba11: and nobody noticed!
14:09.35hairy_potterfireba11: i mean, everybody looks at top and tries to find who is taking up CPU
14:09.37hcyhairy_potter: the CPU column of top is percents?  so if it shows 0.7  that means 7/1000 ?
14:09.38fireba11hairy_potter: pretty blunt .. ^^
14:09.57TraceGreenHello, i want to ask some tool to show hardware info, with gui, any ideas?
14:10.04hairy_potterfireba11: true. pretty clever too.
14:10.11hairy_potterfireba11: its the last thing I would expect to happen!
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14:10.34hairy_potterTraceGreen: you mean like the list of hardware you have?
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14:10.42TraceGreenhairy_potter, yes.
14:10.43fireba11hairy_potter: oh so true ... in the spare part collection somone would probably have noticed
14:10.50hcyhairy_potter: the CPU column of top is percents?  so if it shows 0.7  that means 7/1000 ?
14:10.51hairy_potterTraceGreen: I think KDE has something device manager. I haven't used it, though.
14:11.03enycHrrm... Where is a good destription of howto configure hpijs driver printers in  debian sarge 'cups' ?
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14:11.30abaenyc: you tried to google?
14:11.33hairy_potterhcy: I don't know how that computation is done. But there is some doc in kernel source that says how the CPU Load avg is calculated.
14:11.35walaoaTraceGreen: try kde info center.
14:11.52bibeTraceGreen : kinfocenter, that's the name of the binary
14:11.56fireba11hcy: should be % though
14:12.07TraceGreenbibe, thanks!!
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14:12.24ninoquit
14:12.27ninoexit
14:12.32fireba11lol
14:12.46hcyfireba11: it only has one digit place before the decimal, and one after... how would it show something using 100% of the cpu?
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14:12.55TraceGreenbibe, i don't use kde, apt-cache search kinfocenter, don't get any info...
14:13.00fireba11hcy: 99.9
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14:13.02fireba11^^
14:13.19hcyfireba11: i mean, it doesn't have place to show more than 9.9
14:13.19bibeTraceGreen : just a moment (doing 'apt-file search kinfocenter')
14:13.31enycaba: thats not helpful wth this ;-)
14:13.34bibeTraceGreen : it's in kcontrol
14:14.14fireba11Cpu(s):  0.0% us,  0.0% sy,  0.0% ni, 100.0% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
14:14.17abaenyc: I got at least 2 helpful hints on searching for debian and hpijs with google. Including a package ...
14:14.19fireba11it'S like that for me ...
14:14.26walaoaTraceGreen: kde control center->system->info center
14:14.30fireba11and the column will get wieder if needed
14:14.33abaenyc: otherwise, you might want to ask a more specific question ...
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14:15.03TraceGreenwalaoa, thanks very much!
14:15.25fireba11hcy: hat that 99.9 once acually .. it just saves space when it only got small numbers :-)
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14:15.31GodKilla-!cups setip
14:15.32walaoaTraceGreen: you are welcomed.
14:15.37GodKilla-!cups setup
14:15.37dpkgi heard cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db.  Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer.  Enjoy!
14:15.39JenetikIs there a HOWTO for installing VMWare on debian?  I got the .tar.gz from debian's page and the rpm won't install.. after running vmware-config.pl, it errors out saying the virtual machine is not installed, and when I try to reconfigure it gives a config error against /etc/init.d/vmware (lines 1008 and 931)[: -: integer expression expected..  any ideas?
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14:16.00hcynow my computer just forgot all its commands :(  i say ls and it says command not found
14:16.02hcywtf?
14:16.11Jenetikhcy: set PATH=/bin
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14:16.14fireba11hm ..
14:16.19bob2"forgot all its commands"?  someone broke your disk or $PATH
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14:16.32Jenetikexport PATH=/bin
14:16.52paulswmhcy: echo $PATH and see what it says, don't just set it to bin as suggested, that will break all non-bin commands
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14:17.04Jenetikenv | grep PATH
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14:17.08hcy<PROTECTED>
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14:17.23Jenetikls -al /bin/ls
14:17.23abasomething like /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games is standard for non-root-users
14:17.29jayanyone know how to work around a configure that's looking for /usr/lib/tkConfig.sh? The new tcl packages don't supply tkConfig.sh
14:17.43hcy# which ls <cr> bash: /bin/which: Input/output error
14:17.54JenetikHEH
14:17.58abahcy: what did you do?
14:17.58hcyi'll try rebooting
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14:18.09Jenetiksounds like a drive is fucked
14:18.09paulswmhcy: which distro?
14:18.15hcydebian sid
14:18.30fireba11hcy: sounds like somone messed up your system or your HD is dead
14:18.32ChrisHhcy: "which" looks in your path. As your path is broken, that doesn't work.
14:18.40ChrisHhcy: Does /bin/ls work?
14:18.51JenetikInput/output error is either the wrong kernel arch is configged
14:18.56paulswmhcy: You see any disk or bus errors on the concole or in syslog?
14:19.00abathe "bash: /bin/which: Input/output error" seems very wrong
14:19.07bob2Jenetik: how can you get that with a "wrong kernel arch"?
14:19.10asgJenetik: I've seen that with a hard drive dying
14:19.12hcyi just did " /etc/init.d/ircd-irc2 stop " cause i thought the recently installed irc2 might be the one slowing me down. after that it seems everyhting stopped
14:19.13bob2it means the kernel got an i/o error
14:19.16hairy_potterasg: me too
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14:19.19bob2it's either buggy kernel or buggy hardware
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14:19.30hcyi'll try rebooting
14:19.32Jenetikif it just started happening (and since sid is brand new), I'd guess there are no physical hard drive problems
14:19.36bob2hcy: your disk is toast at the moment, I would not be worrying about "slowdowns"
14:19.40Eno_i'm using screen with a regular xterm, and sometimes when i resize screen doesn't want to use all of it.. just the original 80 columns and 25 rows or so... how can i fix this?
14:19.47hcybbiab
14:19.49bob2they could perhaps be i/o retries
14:19.53hcymaybe it's overheating
14:19.56hairy_potterhcy: look at the brighter side of things. You can now make a nice tiffin box out of your hard disk and carry food to work in your drive!
14:20.05hcyhairy_potter: hahaha
14:20.10fireba11hairy-potter: lol
14:20.11JenetikI just made a Beowulf cluster out of linux watches
14:20.23asgEno_: Detatch the session and reattach (screen -x_
14:20.29Dave-BHi. I'm using testing, 2.6.12, ALSA, and sound works in e.g. Rhythmbox. How can I set up /dev/dsp? (e.g. for Doom3)
14:20.32fireba11what's a beowulf cluster ?
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14:20.54m2Eno_: you have to modify the sigmask of the process to accept SIGWINCH
14:20.59hcyis there a good way to shut down, other than holding down the power button for ten seconds, if 'shutdown' says 'command not found' ?
14:21.07m2Eno_: let me see if I can find out how to do that...
14:21.12fireba11whoops ..
14:21.15asghcy: that's the only way in this instance.
14:21.21hairy_potterhcy: actually there is. somewhere in /proc
14:21.26Eno_asg: i closed the xterm and xterm -e screen -x, and its still the same..
14:21.30Eno_m2: ah
14:21.33hcycan someone do a 'which shutdown' and tell me where it's located in sid?
14:21.35asghcy: you might try halt or the sysreq key sequence
14:21.36paulswmhcy:  kill init (pid 1)
14:21.38hairy_potterasg: isn't there some way by which you could echo "1"> to some proc entry and it reboots?
14:21.45hairy_potterpaulswm: thats a bad idea
14:22.09paulswmif he's synced that should be ok
14:22.09hairy_potterpaulswm: because init (and the scripts thereby) do all the mounting, unmounting, etc.,.
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14:22.24hairy_potterpaulswm: ah, true.
14:22.33hairy_potterbut I guess sync gave him an I/O error ;)
14:22.40paulswmhairy_potter: better than hitting the big red button :)
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14:23.02bob2sysrq is the best you can do in that case
14:23.25hcybob2: how?
14:23.34ircdevilnewsflash: two local internet cafe employees have been charged with falste witness statements framing one of there customers as a terrorist. This they did in order to divert the police attention away from the cafe's "internal affairs". (thats my local internet cafe!)
14:23.53fireba11lol
14:23.56ircdevillousy spelling too
14:23.59asgircdevil: makes you wonder what they put in the coffee
14:24.05abaircdevil: please stay on-topic
14:24.12ircdevilasg: methinks coka cola :o)
14:24.24hairy_potterircdevil: <b>coca</b> cola?
14:24.25ircdevilaba: all the boxes run debian of cause
14:24.27hcysomeone tell me where shutdown is located... maybe if i give it the path it'll work
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14:24.35asghcy: /usr/sbin
14:24.42hairy_potterhcy: it wouldn't
14:24.43bob2it's not going to work
14:24.49asghcy: er /sbin that is
14:25.10hcytab doesn't see it in either of those
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14:25.27hcyok so what's the concensus - what's the best way for me to shut down?
14:25.44hairy_potterhcy: kill -2 1
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14:25.49bob2hard power down
14:25.52abadoes shutdown -h now still work?
14:25.52asghairy_potter: I'm a bit under the weather and slipped into Solaris mode
14:25.54hairy_potterhcy: sync of course, before that.
14:25.55ababob2: not too fast
14:25.56bob2your disk is fucked, it doesn't matter
14:26.00Dave-Bhcy: Excuse me for butting in - are you trying `shutdown` as root?
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14:26.05bob2aba: that throws io errors
14:26.14bob2aba: er, sorry, file not found
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14:26.18abasync; sync; sync
14:26.20hcyDave-B: yes
14:26.21asgbob2: a powercycle is his only course now
14:26.24blahhalt
14:26.25abaand hard power of
14:26.25bob2aba: sync is also no longer on disk
14:26.27m2Eno_: sorry, can't find it.
14:26.29asgaba: that also is giving i/o errors
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14:26.31blahreboot
14:26.31hcybash: sync: command not found
14:26.33ababob2: totally lost.
14:26.33m2Eno_: I know I've done this before.
14:26.38bob2aba: as i said ;p
14:26.40ababuy a new hard disk :(
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14:26.48bob2it could be that the cable is lose
14:26.50hikenboothello all anyone know of any real good bootable cd based system diagnostics for memory cpu motherboard voltage, etc?
14:26.54bob2or that DMA is causing it
14:27.13hcyi think it's just a little tired... if i let it rest for a few minutes it'll start working again
14:27.17hcyit's a laptop, after all
14:27.27hairy_potterhcy: maybe!
14:27.28fireba11hikenboot: try "the ultimate boot cd"
14:27.40blah?
14:27.42bob2if it comes up again, tho, you really really really want to update your backups
14:27.43hikenbootwhos it made by?
14:27.44Eno_m2: not sure.. its fixed now, i detached and reatached
14:27.48hairy_potterwhat the F is "the ultimate boot CD"?
14:27.51Eno_m2: not sure why it happens though
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14:27.59hairy_potterbob2: amen
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14:28.07blah(puppy?)
14:28.20hcyhairy_potter: your 'kill' statement says invalid usage
14:28.31Eno_m2: thanks anyways
14:28.37fireba11hairy_potter: a linux-cd with a collection of different check, benchmark and recovery tools
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14:29.04hairy_potterfireba11: who makes it?
14:29.11hikenbootnever mind found it
14:29.14hikenbootthanks
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14:29.24tarzeauRichiH: any progress on your package?
14:29.28Blissexfireba11: it is actually a freeDOS CD, with some Linux thrown in.
14:29.28hairy_potterhcy: ;/ weird. kill -2 1 should work.
14:29.35fireba11hairy_potter: dunno .. some OS project methinks .. can check when i'm at home if its important
14:30.07hcykill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] [pid | job]... or kill -l [sigspec]
14:30.20hcymaybe it's a different 'kill' than the usual one we use
14:31.12Blissexhttp://WWW.UltimateBootCD.com/
14:31.16hairy_potterfireba11: true. I didn't know about this. Thanks!
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14:32.12j_d2Can debian automount a windows share at startup with write permissions for a specific user?
14:32.18fireba11hairy_potter: the thingie is dead usefull .. could track seemingly-random black screens back to dead video ram with it once :-)
14:32.18asgj_d2: yes
14:32.22j_d2If root mounts it, normal users only has read permissions
14:32.23hairy_potterhow long do you guys think would it take for gcc to compile on a dual CPU AMD Opteron with 4G of RAM?
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14:32.28j_d2asg_: how
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14:32.47Blissexthere are several other useufl recoveyr CDs and good stuff. The more Linux oriented one (but UBCD is very good for Linux too) is http://WWW.SysRescCD.org
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14:32.51asgj_d2: look at the mount options for smbfs in mount(8)
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14:33.36polyfractal_Hey all. our dedicated server has been having random crashes lately. Im very new to linux, how should I start debugging where the problem is coming from?
14:33.40cmdKeenwill alsa oss wraper work when i compile kernel(2.6) without oss ?
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14:33.47KsileboChrisH: Still around?
14:34.00j_d2asg: i cant get it working
14:34.06polyfractal_The syslog is absolutely filled with sendmail reports, might sendmail be the problem?
14:34.07draccmdKeen: Sure if you include snd-pcm-oss and those others in ALSA support.
14:34.08j_d2i already looked at smbfs and mount man pages
14:34.11fireba11polyfractal_: 1st check your logfiles for warnings or error messages
14:34.18ChrisHKsilebo: yes, sir
14:34.20j_d2only way to get it working was to su to the user that needed write access
14:34.25j_d2and mount it as him
14:34.28hairy_potterI guess its about priorities... the gcc compile will anyway have to wait until I finish my smoke... :o)
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14:34.36cmdKeendrac: thank godess :) thanks
14:34.48KsileboChrisH: Ah, cool. I can't find anywhere how to just set it up with a shared secret.
14:35.04hairy_pottercmdKeen: nice to see that you think God is female ;)
14:35.04asgj_d2: use a uid of some user, gid of some group, a sane umask allowing group writes, add users who need access to the group in gid. (or mount with the 'users' option)
14:35.11jethrowin18
14:35.11KsileboWith the added fun of broken links on some pages.
14:35.27fireba11polyfractal_: not necessarily .. sendmail may just be configured to log to syslog instead to its own logfile ...
14:35.43ChrisHKsilebo: how far did you get?
14:35.43hairy_potterI guess hcy really got reset badly... bad disk. R.I.P.
14:36.05j_d2i mounted with user options
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14:36.09j_d2ile try to look for more options
14:36.29KsileboIts installed and everything, but right off the bat it goes into using/exchanging keys.
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14:37.04j_d2ahhh indeed it seems the answer is related to setting uid
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14:37.15polyfractal_Fireba11: ahh, ok
14:37.15ChrisHKsilebo: You may want to ask in #openswan.
14:37.21KsileboYeah, sounds good.
14:37.25KsileboThanks.
14:37.26polyfractal_Fireba11: where are useful logs found? Is syslog it?
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14:38.23thbSound problem.  On my system, /dev/dsp, /dev/midi and other sound devices seem to accept sound data as normal, but the speaker produces no sound.  My mixer is not zeroed.  I've ALSA and NAS installed, plus Esound and Jack because other packages depend on them.  If you have experience debugging Debian sound: where should I start looking for the solution, please?
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14:38.54asgthb: does 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' produce a horrible noise? silence? or an error?
14:39.08thbasg: thanks; stand by
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14:40.10theD3viLI still can get 2 sounds at each time, i tried dmix, so on .. still nothing
14:40.34thbasg: I ran the command you suggested as root.  Silence, no error, no exit until I hit ^C.
14:40.48asgthb: okay, then your mixer may be mutted irrespective of the levels
14:40.50BlissextheD3viL: read carefully the sharing section of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2
14:40.54fireba11polyfractal_: syslog gets about everything ..so lots of entrys and usually the errors too .. there are some more specific logfiles like maillog ... but if you don't know what the problem is check the syslog imediately bevore the crash for entries
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14:40.58asgthb: or your speakers are not plugged in or wired properly.
14:41.14cmdKeenhairy_potter: The God has many faces...
14:41.15Blissexthb: read carefully the troubleshooting, OSS comaptibility and app config sections of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2
14:41.18thbasg: Okay.  I'll go chew on that for a while.
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14:41.46thbBlissex: thank you.  I will do it.
14:42.37fireba11polyfractal_: if you can afford to be without the server for a while, also try some boot-CD with diagnosis tools to check the memory and make a cpu-burn-in-test and check the HD to root out hardware problems
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14:42.40johnwhat's the command to keep your monitor from going to power save mode?
14:42.45theD3viLBlissex, everythink to do is change asound.conf if i right ?
14:42.46abrotman!dpms
14:42.47dpkghmm... dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section).
14:43.03abrotmanjohn: but "off" instead of "on"
14:43.08BlissextheD3viL: _probably_ your should do two things...
14:43.10polyfractal_Fireba11: its a rented dedicated :/ we dont have access to the physical machine
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14:44.00theD3viLBlissex, oss emulation?
14:44.01BlissextheD3viL: first to install the 'asound.conf' suggested in that section, and then make sure all the apps you use are configured to use ALSA directly, not OSS compatibility mode. Sharing in OSS compatibility mode does not quite work or is dodgy.
14:44.13Nikithb: Please run: amixer set 'Master' 'unmute' '100' and  amixer set 'PCM' 'unmute' '100', the try again.
14:44.18fireba11polyfractal_: okay .. then check the logs .. if you don't find anythign it most likely crashed for hardware reasons and wasn't able to write a log of it anymore .. so have the company where u rent it from check the hardware
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14:44.39thbNiki: understood; stand by.
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14:44.45BlissextheD3viL: the 'asound.conf' should work on almost anything, but it may need a bit of tweaking as to the clock rate and buffer/period sizes.
14:45.02theD3viLBlissex, make new file "asounf.conf" then all apps must using alsa ?
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14:45.18BlissextheD3viL: that's the best way to have sharing.
14:45.46BlissextheD3viL: many OSS only apps will use the ALSA native interface if you invoke them with the 'aoss' program.
14:45.47thbNiki: error message: "amixer: Unknown playback setup 'unmute'.."
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14:46.04theD3viLBlissex, do i need reboot '
14:46.10Blissexthb: swap around the "100" and "unmute".
14:46.28BlissextheD3viL: no, but you need to restart any apps that use sound; they read '/etc/asound.conf' when they start.
14:46.30hcywell, after manually shutting down (with the power button) and booting up again, my commands are working again
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14:46.49theD3viLBlissex, i did, but BMP and xine doesnt work together
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14:46.57GlanzmannIf I have a deb-src in my aptlist for sarge, testing and unstable
14:47.09BlissextheD3viL: you have configure them to use ALSA, or invoke them with 'aoss'
14:47.09GlanzmannHow can I get the 'unstable' version of lftp using apt-get source?
14:47.16GlanzmannI thought it would be apt-get source lftp/unstable.
14:47.25BlissextheD3viL: the OSS compatibility mode interface is not sharable, unless you do evil stuff.
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14:47.34abrotmanGlanzmann: -t ?
14:47.36j_d2Can i chmod my /etc/fstab as 700 ?
14:47.44theD3viLBlissex, BMP ALSA 0.9.7 output plugin, xine - alsa
14:47.50GlanzmannWorks. Thanks.
14:48.03asmodaiiij_d2: i advice 644...
14:48.04abrotmanj_d2: you should leave it whatever it is
14:48.13abrotmanyou mean 744 ?
14:48.14asgj_d2: if you need to embed passwords, use the credentials= option
14:48.21BlissextheD3viL: then you haven't properly restarted them, or '/etc/asound.conf' is not readable by everytbody...
14:48.27hcycan i somehow add a variable to my startup?  I'm thinking I'd do something like "linux tired" at the lilo prompt, and then somehow tinker with my scripts in /etc/init.d/ so that if 'tired' was entered after the command, it won't load the irc2 and apache daemons?
14:48.47theD3viLBlissex, sound works, but not together
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14:48.59ChrisHhcy: That's what the different run levels are for. /etc/rc2.d... /etc/rc3.d...
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14:49.05asmodaiii<abrotman> you mean 744 ? << no :)
14:49.19theD3viLBlissex, now works, i restarted again :D TNX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:49.20asmodaiiino need to execute
14:49.28hcyChrisH: i've never used anything other than 'single' in emergencies...
14:49.32BlissextheD3viL: OK, no probs.
14:49.34thbBlissex, Niki, asg: same error message after swapping.  All right.  Something is evidently set up wrong on my system, but you have given me some good ideas where to start looking for the solution.  With these new clues, I should go away for a while now and work on the problem some more.  Thank you.  I may return with further questions later.
14:49.38abrotmanasmodaiii: oh yeah .. i'ts still morning here .. i can't count :)
14:49.50Blissexthb: try this more precisely:
14:49.51asgthb: good luck on getting things working
14:49.52ChrisHhcy: You can customize the links in /etc/rc3.d (like removing them) which makes certain processes not being started.
14:49.57ChrisHhcy: Or look at the "update-rc.d" script.
14:50.06Blissexthb: amixer sset Master 80% unmute
14:50.08aliumalikwhich netinst iso should I use to install sid?
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14:50.15Nikithb: Goog luck!
14:50.18abrotmanthe one tha tworks :)
14:50.18hcyChrisH: nah i can do it myself... i was never sure what those rc3 and rc4 etc directories were for
14:50.19tarzeaualiumalik: doesn't matter, any sarge based one
14:50.26Blissexthb: some cards however do not need to have controls unmuted, so if that the case, remove the "unmute".
14:50.27asgaliumalik: don't. Install sarge and upgrade
14:50.32asgaliumalik: /msg dpkg sid faq
14:50.36streuner!d-i aliumalik
14:50.37dpkgaliumalik, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.
14:50.37abrotman!iyhtays
14:50.37dpkgIf you have to ask, you shouldn't.
14:50.42theD3viLBlissex, o tried other asound.confs  but noone works
14:50.43hcyChrisH: so i can just copy rc2.d/ to rc3.d/ and then remove some of the links, and then start with linux 3 ?
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14:50.50lord_robhow do I set the keyboard layout for a tty using dpkg-reconfigure ?
14:50.57BlissextheD3viL: but it works now, doesn't it?
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14:51.08aliumalikthe thing is the new images do not have the DHCP configuration :P
14:51.10theD3viLBlissex, yes :D
14:51.12thbBlissex: Hrm.  Same error msg: "amixer: Unknown playback setup 'unmute'.."
14:51.22BlissextheD3viL: well, let's say that writing good quality 'asound.conf' is very difficult, it tooks me weeks to get that one done right.
14:51.31hcyChrisH: what are the defaults for debian - any difference between rc1, rc2, rc3, rc4 etc?
14:51.32abrotmanaliumalik: yes they do ..
14:51.34GlanzmannWhen I build a debian package using 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' how can I dump the 'revision number from 1 to 2'? in ../lftp_3.3.0-1_i386.deb?
14:51.35takatumifwiw, the daily build biz card iso worked fine on a sid install. ;-)
14:51.35streuneraliumalik: /msg dpkg dhcp client
14:51.37abrotmanthe daily's don't last i checked
14:51.40theD3viLBlissex, hm.. what about HP DeskJet 5150 ? I installed printconf but still dont works :s
14:51.42hcyChrisH: i imagine that rcS is 'single'
14:51.47ChrisHhcy: /etc/rc3.d should be a copy of /etc/rc2.d already
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14:52.04hcyChrisH: well probably not anymore since i've manually tinkered with rc2 a lot
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14:52.07theD3viLBlissex, you wrote this conf?
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14:52.12jeffromanSysInfo: Linux 2.6.11-hardened-r15 | Dual AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 244 1791.363 MHz | Bogomips: 3522.56 | Mem: 1862/2007M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 314.75G Free: 279.79G | Procs: 72 | Uptime: 12 mins 34 secs | Load: 0.00 0.03 0.02 | Vpenis: 128.8 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800 GT] (rev a1)@1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 0.51M Out: 0.16M
14:52.14jeffromansorry
14:52.16jeffromanwrong channel
14:52.18Blissexthb: to see what you can set or not, 'amixer' or 'amixer scontrols' or 'amixer scontents'
14:52.21takatumiabrotman: yesterdays worked.
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14:52.37abrotmanjeffroman: yeah .. your vpenis can't be nearly that big
14:52.38BlissextheD3viL: yes, I did. More or less precisely for people like your and <thb>.
14:52.45ZombGlanzmann: debian/control
14:52.49asgabrotman: that's why it's a 'vpenis'
14:52.53abrotmanheh
14:52.56abrotman!tell Niki about away
14:52.58asg!tell Niki about away
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14:53.01HighbrowGlanzmann, you have to edit debian/changelog. And dont bump to 2, but to 1.1
14:53.03tarzeau!tell Niki about away
14:53.03Blissexthb: theD3vil: BTW, usually you should ask sound questions in #ALSA
14:53.14aliumalikanother problem, my laptop fan doesn't seem to work and the system boots very slowly unless I add acpi=force in the grub command line but the system still heats up a lot and no fan :S
14:53.32theD3viLBlissex, sry.. forgot :$
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14:53.43Zombaliumalik: Gericom product?
14:53.44hcyis there a manpage about run levels?
14:53.45GlanzmannHighbrow: That works, Thanks.
14:53.57Zombhcy: official Debian FAQ?
14:54.11tarzeauhcy: man init
14:54.12asgaliumalik: is it a toshiba laptop?
14:54.16westwardhi, How could i backup all *.deb files intalled on my system?
14:54.18hcytarzeau: thanks
14:54.23theD3viLBlissex, <theD3viL> Blissex, hm.. what about HP DeskJet 5150 ? I installed printconf but still dont works :s
14:54.23aliumalikZomb, no compaq evo n620c
14:54.43tarzeauwestward: if you didn't apt-get clean, they're in /var somewhere
14:54.50tarzeauwestward: but why would you want to do that?
14:54.50hairy_potterhcy: hows your disk doing? :)
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14:55.13westwardtarzeau: I want install some of them on another system.
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14:55.32BlissextheD3viL: no idea, ask your question to the channel or to #CUPS.
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14:55.35thbBlissex: didn't know about #ALSA; now I know.  To answer the question about "amixer scontrols", it replies normally: it lists five simple mixer controls: Master, Synth, Line, CD, Mic.
14:55.41hairy_potterhcy: so I guess it was just a simple 'one off' case problem? :)
14:55.41westwardbut /var/cache may miss some of *.deb
14:55.52tarzeauwestward: no, why should it?
14:56.01Blissexthb: you may have one of those cards without mute/unmute then.
14:56.19theD3viLBlissex, tnx for everything ! .. BTW.. did you wrote this asound.conf ?
14:56.31BlissextheD3viL: I wrote that page and the 'asound.conf'
14:56.32abrotman/var/cache/apt/archives/
14:56.36westwardtarzeau: ok. thx! what if I've done apt-get clean?
14:56.50tarzeauwestward: heh, download them again. well use apt-get actually
14:56.55theD3viLBlissex, great.. how can you wrote it?
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14:57.20abrotmanman apt-get ... -d
14:57.27westwardtarzeau: thank you
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14:57.28hcyhairy_potter: i think it still needs to rest a bit more, still a bit sluggish, but working again yes
14:57.29thbBlissex: my sound chip is very common: AD1981, included on millions of recent Intel boards.  There is nothing unusual about it.
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14:57.59Lamexcan someone tell me which versions of php are in the branch?
14:58.11abrotmanLamex: which branch?
14:58.17Lamex(stable, unstable, pretty much all of them)
14:58.17streunerLamex: use php4
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14:58.25abrotmanLamex: packages.debian.org
14:58.45Blissexthb: are you using the 'snd-intel8x0' driver though?
14:58.45abrotmanLamex: but php4 in sarge/etch
14:58.45theD3viLBlissex, will my debian works faster if i will install hdparm?
14:59.16thbBlissex: yes.  Hard-compiled into the kernel; not a module.
14:59.30BlissextheD3viL: maybe -- recent kernel should put the discs in DMA mode even without 'hdparm'. But install it regardless, it is a very useful utility anyhow.
14:59.35Lamexheh, I'm developing an application in php5.1 and need to know if debian supports it as it will come on a debian image
15:00.03Blissexthb: BTW ALSA should not be really compiled in the kernel, there may be problems if it is done like that.
15:00.08abrotman!info php5 sid
15:00.12abrotman!php5
15:00.12dpkgphp5 is currently only available in unstable.  if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb>, however, if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own.
15:00.21dpkgphp5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
15:00.26abrotmanLamex: why do you *require* php5?
15:00.31thbBlissex: wow!  That, I did not know.  Very good.
15:00.35fireba11Lamex: php5.1 is still a good way from being stabel enough for productive use , so i wouldn't suggest using it ...
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15:00.44jeffrinhello all
15:00.47jeffrinhello all
15:00.50theD3viLBlissex, k
15:00.59Lamexabrotman: becuase I use the ReflectionClass for example which is php5 only together with the has* methods which are new in php5.1
15:01.10Blissexthb: also have a look here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/intel8x0 and the 8x0 subsection of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2
15:01.11jeffrinis it possible to master squid with a computer with internet connection
15:01.17abrotmanLamex: well .. that sounds like a lovely and unstable pile of code :)
15:01.18aliumalikanother problem, my laptop fan doesn't seem to work and the system boots very slowly unless I add acpi=force in the grub command line but the system still heats up a lot and no fan :S
15:01.23Blissexjeffrin: whatever that means, yes.
15:01.32aliumalikdo I need to install the acpi daemon too?
15:01.39Lamexabrotman: well thank you but it runs quite well here
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15:01.49abrotmanLamex: okay ..
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15:02.04Blissexaliumalik: to control fan etc. you usually need to tweak the BIOS or to install laptop brand specific utilities.
15:02.09fireba11aliumalik: fan should be hardware-controlled .. !?
15:02.20Lamexabrotman: ghehe :) besides I like the features of php5 a lot
15:02.23abrotmanok
15:02.35Blissexaliumalik: almost surely you can start by looking into the BIOS. Then look at the Dell and Toshiba brand specific utilities.
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15:02.39Lamexplus the things I want are php5 only
15:02.41fireba11Lamex: me2 .. still i wouldn't use it productively if i can help it
15:03.03fireba11okay guys .. that's it for today, going home now :-)
15:03.14abrotmanslacker! :)
15:03.27Lamexfireba11: you just have to make sure you do not use any of the known bugs, I had to debug phpDocumentor :(
15:03.57Blissexaliumalik: also, sometimes you can control the fan with '/proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state'. Do a web search with that as a keyword.
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15:04.04fireba11Lamex: i don't trust it to be really secure right now ..
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15:04.26aliumalikfireba11, Blissex, even when I set the fan to always on in the BIOS it shuts down when I boot into debian
15:04.27_SWAT_what's a good/best groupware suite I can use? (open-source)  I know about OpenGroupware and PHPgroupware. What are your 2-cents?
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15:04.34Lamexfireba11: heh I can imagine, but it is quite good so far :)
15:04.37aliumalikin windows keeps running :S
15:04.50Blissexaliumalik: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&as_epq=%2Fproc%2Facpi%2Ffan%2FFAN%2Fstate
15:05.02jeffrinBlissex : do you mean it is possible
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15:05.23Blissexjeffrin: yes, I run Squid on my PC so whatever browser i use I have a shared cached.
15:05.31abrotman!tell Niki about away
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15:05.51Blissexjeffrin: I also run privoxy as a frontend to Squid so I get rid of annoying ads etc.
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15:05.52alex___hi
15:06.17jeffrinBlissex : are you a master of squid
15:06.26Vibeshow can I remove a raid array with raidtolls plz? mdadm -r /dev/md0 doesn't ...
15:06.48Blissexjeffrin: consider reading this http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 before asking questions like that...
15:07.20Glanzmann/clear/clear
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15:08.02dpkgGlanzmann: You Lose.
15:08.31deepa_i have a .c file for my usb wireless nic i have compiled and prepared a .o file out of it how do i install this sothat it takes the driver
15:08.41SimonRaventhe lurkers are slowly trickling back in
15:09.00abrotmanSimonRaven: i know .. and they're bringing DDs with them!!!
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15:09.24SimonRavenhehe
15:09.25coolerhi all
15:09.28cooler:)
15:09.37SimonRaven/nick hotter
15:09.41raavi02deepa_ You must be know something about the filesystem
15:09.47resiakCan we have debhelper kicking people who don't speak for 7 days or something ?
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15:10.06deepa_raavi02:what exactly
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15:10.35hairy_potteris the 'rpm' binary thats on debian dependable enough to start building rpms out of source, etc.,. that would get deployed on RHEL4 boxes?
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15:10.48hairy_potteror is it some scaled down / "different" version than whats on a standard RH box?
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15:10.49enycno idea
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15:11.05jennerhairy_potter: should work on RHELx
15:11.08raavi02deepa_ I mean the organization... where exactly the bin lib and header files should go.
15:11.09jeffriniam now a ddu
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15:11.33abrotmanjeffrin: a what?
15:11.43deepa_raavi02:ok... canu suggest maybe some doc
15:11.43jeffrinddu
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15:11.45abrotman!ddu
15:11.49hairy_potterjenner: ok. I guess it would be atleast as dependable as 'alien' :)
15:11.49abrotmanyeah .. ok
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15:12.08SimonRavenjeffrin: a what? and don't just repeat the 'ddu' thing again, that's not helping
15:12.08takatumiabrotman: ddudodo
15:12.10yamHello.... on some servers I have, with auth via ldap, first try on authentication always fail...
15:12.18jeffrinddu=depressed debian user
15:12.23jennerhairy_potter: in fact, you should be even able to use an .rpms produced by alien on a RHEL
15:12.30raavi02deepa_ I must check out, at the moment I don't have anything
15:12.37deepa_ok
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15:13.03raavi02deepa_ How do you want your module to run.
15:13.06aliumalikpk guys I am about to reboot what should I do? Install sid from sarge netinst right?
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15:13.16tarzeaualiumalik: yes
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15:13.20takatumijeffrin: depression is just a state of mind, maybe that's your new high.
15:13.21raavi02deepa_ I mean you want to start manually or..
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15:13.27abrotmanaliumalik: or just run sarge ...
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15:13.38tarzeauhi takatumi
15:13.46takatumitarzeau: bubbles.
15:13.54aliumalikhope I can compile my unis vpn client this time :P cya soon
15:14.00deepa_it is a usb nic, when ever i plug it should take the driver automaticaally which it normally storage devices in linux
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15:14.09tarzeautakatumi: nope, busy
15:14.13deepa_i want to knw how to insttall this .o
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15:14.26deepa_maybe using this insmod or something like this
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15:15.13stappersdeepa: I also think that modprobe or insmod is the tool to use.
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15:15.22stappersdeepa_: I also think that modprobe or insmod is the tool to use.
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15:15.47takatumiwhat's with the USB NICc?
15:15.51deepa_how to go about
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15:16.09raavi02deepa_ I need to check...
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15:16.18stappersdeepa_: for automatic loading you have to tune "hotplug" or "discover"
15:16.26deepa_ok
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15:16.38deepa_does 2.4.27 support hotplug
15:16.39johnabrotman: okay.. xset -dpms keeps it from going into power save mode.. but the monitor still blacks out.. but it turns right on with the move of the mouse, instead of having to repower up.. so it almost got it to where i want it..any other help on that?
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15:17.08abrotmanjohn: that sounds like your screensaver
15:17.15stappersIIRC is hotplug a 2.6 thingy
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15:17.35VibesAnyone know how to recover disks from a raid configuration with mkraid in order to use them without raid plz?
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15:21.56resiakErm...
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15:22.42aleshello, i have a problem :  octave-forge: Depends: libcln3 (>= 1.1.6) but it is not installable
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15:23.11resiakales: you are a Sid user, yes?
15:23.23alesresiak: unstable
15:23.41m2Vibes: what RAID configuration? (RAID0, RAID1, RAID5)?
15:23.42valdyn!sid
15:23.42dpkgthe unstable version of Debian.  Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development.  It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story.  Ask me about unstable.  Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in.   It will never be released.
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15:24.01resiakales: Ha ha!
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15:24.22alesresiak: cool ;) but what then ?
15:24.38Zombales: learn to use Google and fix your problem. Or just wait.
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15:24.51resiakales: You don't know about the ABI transition, do you? See the topic. It'll sort itself in time. Until then, you'll just have to go read d-d-a archives and find out what's going on. This is why you should not use Sid if you are not a developer.
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15:25.18Vibesm2: RAID1, un used /etc/raidtab and "mkraid /dev/md0" but now I want to remove this array
15:25.20m2ales: you basically go to the BTS, check for bug reports, and if you are pretty sure this is a bug, and it isn't reported you report it.
15:25.21alesZomb: i googled everything ... you were last :)
15:25.32m2ales: or wait until tomorrow.
15:25.53alesm2: it is, but question is it worth to get to testing ?
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15:26.24m2ales: beg your pardon?
15:26.32alesm2: http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=sid&package=octave-forge
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15:27.16jeffrinhello all
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15:27.33jeffrinis there any tool to convert a text file to html
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15:27.51alesm2: my girlfriend is hitting my head, because of this package we cant have fun.
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15:28.29BenCjeffrin: what sort of text file?
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15:28.34BenCjeffrin: just plain text?
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15:28.42jeffrina configuration
15:28.45jeffrinplain text
15:28.48m2ales: my guess is that someone compiled this thing on ubuntu and uploaded it like that.
15:28.55BenCwrap it with <pre> YOUR TEXT </pre>
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15:29.07m2ales: apt-get source octave-forge and apt-get build-dep octave-forge
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15:29.21m2ales: then you build it locally, and you might get something installable.
15:29.23jeffrinwhat is </pre>  denote
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15:29.40abam2: which package?
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15:29.48BenCjeffrin: it makes the text show up in the browser exactly as it is in the text file (keeps newlines and such)
15:29.56alesm2:  Unable to find a source package for octave-forge
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15:30.21stappersjeffrin: 'pre' is short for 'preformatted'
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15:30.41YoeBenC, jeffrin: apart from any < and > which might be in the text -- you still have to escape those
15:30.54brightgood morning, all.  i've been experiencing a problem installing debian.  the installer either hangs during the partitioning phase when I try to create a primary ext3 partition, or if i create an ext2 or xfs partition, i get an error (139) during the installation phase after all the packages are downloaded and verified.  does this indicate that i have a bad hard drive, or are my boot disks corrupted?  (i've made about 6 different boot
15:31.01BenCjeffrin:aren't they ignored until the next </pre>?
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15:31.21YoeBenC: nope. Been there, done that.
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15:31.36abaales: you seem to have missing a source-line in your sources.list.
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15:31.49m2Vibes: hmm... RAID1 is mirroring, in *principle* you could mount one of the two disks and have it work.
15:31.49BenCbright: have you switched to the second console to see if there are any messages?
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15:31.55BenCbright: hit Alt+F2
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15:32.04m2ales: octave-forge
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15:32.06enycm2/vibes: I have a linux md  raid1 here
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15:32.20enycyou create special 'linux volume manager' partition things...
15:32.21enycand then...
15:32.24m2aba: octave-forge
15:32.32enycmkadm tools to create a raid... and... mount it ;p
15:32.35enycin short
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15:32.38m2ales: do you have deb-src source in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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15:33.07enycif one disk is unplugged it goes into a fallback mode with only one disk, but then, seemingly wont 're-use' the disconnected disk until you manually tell mkadm to do so
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15:33.10brightbenc: i didn't do that, but thank you for pointing that out.
15:33.10m2enyc: he wants to disassemble a RAID1
15:33.14enycwhich then begins 'array reconstruction'
15:33.29alesm2: deb http://debian.mur.at/debian/ unstable main
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15:33.39abam2, ales: libcln3 has been removed from unstable recently, it seems
15:33.44enycWell if you want to be truly separate of the md driver, just make a non-linux-vm partition and copy what you want off the raid onto it ;-)
15:33.52BenCbright: should give more information about the error. If you see a lot of ide errors, then yeah, it's probably the drive
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15:33.57m2ales: duplicate that line and replace "deb" by "deb-src"
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15:34.25m2aba: ah! has it been replaced by something else?
15:34.28enycIf you are happy using the md driver etc. then just remove one of the devices using "mkadm" and disconnect it ;p
15:34.28BenCa raid1 set can be split and the two will be duplicate
15:34.31abashort answer: don't use unstable if you're not experienced. That's a c++-abi-transition.
15:34.32alesm2: ok, i am getting source octave-forge
15:34.35BenCyou can use either without the need for the other
15:34.38brightbenc: i am going to try installing again, thanks
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15:35.13alesm2: now i do : apt-get build-dep octave-forge
15:35.35BenCbright: no problem, good luck
15:35.39alesm2: Build-dependencies for octave-forge could not be satisfied.
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15:36.08abaales: that is the c++-abi-transition. Don't use unstable if you cannot solve that.
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15:36.16enycSure.. you need to be careful what mkadm.. presumably you need to 'remove' one of the devices from the raid1 and then set a different raid-serial-number on one of them..
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15:36.24enycSo .. it then acts as a separate raid [??]
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15:36.32aba(or in other words: unstable is called unstable for a reason :)
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15:36.36m2ales: what's missing?
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15:37.14abaales: that would probably help you - and there is even the libcln3-package :)
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15:37.20alesm2:  apt-get build-dep octave-forge
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15:37.31alesm2: could not be satisfied
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15:38.08m2ales: sure, but it is telling you which package is missing.
15:38.15jeffrinYoe ,BenC : i attached the <pre> and </pre> stuff did not find any problems
15:38.30alesm2: sorry, where ? tells just this.
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15:38.34jeffrin< and > is there in the html
15:38.39jeffrin< and > is there in the html file
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15:39.25Yoejeffrin: hmm, strange. Well, maybe I was wrong then.
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15:40.27alesm2: Reading Package List ... Building Dependency Tree ... E: Build-dependencies for octave-forge could not be satisfied.
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15:41.59SimonRavenales: look at the build deps, and see what's missing, and then fix it up so the build deps are satisfied.
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15:44.04m2ales: do this: apt-get source octave-forge
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15:44.19m2ales: then cd into the directory that gets created (octave-forge-x.y.z)
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15:44.41m2ales: and then type dpkg-checkbuilddeps
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15:45.16alesm2:  Unmet build dependencies: octave2.1-headers (>= 2.1.65) xlibs-dev g77 libqhull-dev libginac-dev libgmp3-dev libreadline5-dev libgsl0-dev dpatch
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15:45.45m2ales: try installing all of those packages one by one, one of them can't be installed
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15:46.47abaales: we are in the c++-abi-transition, means: all packages providing c++-libs have to be changed ...
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15:47.41pzncan you recommend a debian package for getting an html page (a manual, very big) and generate pdf/ps from it?
15:47.42BenCanyone know how to make bitchx ignore join/part messages?
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15:47.54BenCpzn: html2pdf
15:48.06resiakBenC: Out of interest, why BitchX ?
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15:48.18BenCresiak: I'm a console whore
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15:48.22resiakBenC: irssi-text !
15:48.25jethroBenC: irssi-text!
15:48.29resiakjethro: :)
15:48.34jethro:)
15:48.35BenCI've always used bitchx
15:48.40RawplayerBenC  irssi-text!
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15:48.42resiakFair enough!
15:48.46BenChard to break a 8 year old habbit
15:48.58m2BenC: something like /ignore #debian parts joins
15:49.07m2BenC: or something like that perhaps?
15:49.12streunerBenC: try /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS
15:49.14BenCyeah, that worked, thanks
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15:49.37streuner!nospambots
15:49.37dpkgwell, nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds
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15:56.51Roninhumm, odd i have it set to 5 seconds and i still get the drive by bots, best look at that script again
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15:57.07abaRonin: well, they should be kicked off really (with bans)
15:57.14dvsRonin: Or just use "/mode Ronin +E"
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15:57.34streunerRonin: i set mine to 10.5 seconds, you need about 1/2 hr. in order to make it work...
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15:57.56streuner!mode e
15:57.56dpkg+E (not +e!) makes it such that only nickserv identified users can /msg you, or http://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots or http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
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15:58.05Roninstreuner: heh seems that way sometimes, may just have to /ignore joins again
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15:58.23Ronindvs: i am +E just tired of seeing joins parts
15:58.25brightbenc: well, it looks like i am getting a segmentation fault.  that is a strange thing to occur during software installation.  one quirky thing i noticed is that while using the guided partition, it assigned the primary to partition #1 and the swap to partition #5.  if i tried to create additional partitions, it would go to #6,then #7, and onward.  it skipped 2,3,4.  could there by something on the HD that won't erase?
15:58.34dvsRonin: I O C
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15:58.39streunerRonin: try nospambot.pl then
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15:59.12zaikxtoxhello. is there some howto on enabling plain auth for exim4 on sarge?
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15:59.24abazaikxtox: in the readme-file
15:59.29resiakzaikxtox: It's in /usr/share/doc/exim4/
15:59.35zaikxtoxthanks resiak
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16:00.03Gathondbright: probably because it uses logical partitions, that is they make a primary partition (one can only have 4 of these in MSDOS partitioning systems) called an extended partition and make the rest of the partitions as logical within this one
16:00.18zaikxtoxi searched google in vain! :)
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16:00.46Gathondbright: so the 1-4 partition numbers are reserved for the primary partitions, therefore if you have 1 primary (probably the one it boots from) and one extended to contain the rest, you wont have a 2,3,4 partition
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16:01.14brightgathond: i see.  thanks for the explanation.
16:01.50Roninstreuner: thats what im using, but i obviously misedited it as at 5.5 i still see them, oh well something to look into later
16:01.54brighti am going to search google for segfaults with the debian installer
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16:02.31Gathondbright: sounds weird, I would try using memtest86 (they have a downloadable bootable .iso) to check the systems memory
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16:03.08BenCbright: my last installation did the same thing (part no's), but it worked well otherwise
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16:04.46maxxleI'm using apt-pinning. I have installed openoffice from unstable to my testing box due to a bug. What happens if a new Version from openoffice enters Unstable and my Version moves to testing. Will I stay on the unstable versions with my ooo or will I fall back into testing-repository?
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16:05.06stockholmBenC: wow, you get involved in debian again? ubuntu did something good then!
16:05.09abamaxxle: depends on how you did the pinning?
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16:05.48maxxleI'm doing it using /etc/apt/preferences with Pin-Priority
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16:06.04abamaxxle: on what do you pin?
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16:06.30maxxlePin-Priority for testing = 650 ; Pin-Priority for unstable is 600
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16:06.50abaok. And you installed with apt-get -t unstable install OOo?
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16:07.32maxxleI used aptitude and choose the new version from the Ncurses Interface.
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16:08.01abamaxxle: hm. I'm not using aptitude myself, but sounds as you stay with your version until a newer gets to testing
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16:08.29bob2you don't need pinning then
16:08.41bob2just set the default-release to testing
16:08.55bob2or, better still, remove sid fro myour sources.lsit entirely now you have the version you want
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16:09.32cooleri?
16:09.38SmallR2003[lpt-dhi all
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16:09.52maxxleaba: I hope I only get a new version if it enters testing. But I will see
16:10.00coolerSmallR2003[lpt-d: hi
16:10.11bob2maxxle: as above
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16:11.05maxxlebob2: I can't remove the entry. I use a kernel and some other stuff (scite) from unstable too because of bugs in testing-versions
16:11.05De_Moncan I get date to print yesterdays date?
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16:11.58bob2maxxle: and?
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16:12.10bob2maxxle: you have them now, you don't need apt knowing about sid anymore
16:12.18theD3viLDe_Mon, did you deleted ?
16:12.47maxxlebob2: Yes! You are right. But I think it's a really good question what happens in this situation.
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16:13.02bob2it depends entirely on your pin level
16:13.07bob2read the apt documentation
16:13.16bob2man 5 apt_preferences
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16:13.23maxxlebob2: Ah. Then I should read this section! Thx
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16:13.32bob2pinning is almost always a bad idea
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16:13.37De_MontheD3viL huh? no I just need it to output yesterdays date
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16:14.15SmallR2003[lpt-dI recently got a new laptop (wheee!), but i cant install debian because it seems to have cut off a slice of the screen at the bottom and pushed it in at the top, this happens in the installer. I tried mepis (also debian based) but it refused to give me a sensible screen res (above 1024x768) which as the lappy is a wide screen 15.4" doesnt look very nice. I guess there may be desplay issues with the laptop. Can anyone help
16:14.15SmallR2003[lpt-d, its an ASUS A6000.
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16:15.38bob2ask on the debian-x list
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16:18.23resiak!
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16:19.49petemcSmallR2003[lpt-d: check on linux-laptop.net if other people have had much success with that model, and if so, emulate what they did
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16:21.54phrontisthow do I configure which window manager X should use?
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16:22.03phrontist(I installed blackbox via apt-get)
16:22.09petemcphrontist: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
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16:23.04phrontistwow, that was easy
16:23.16phrontistis there a guide to these automatic configuration tools?
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16:23.23phrontist(these seem to be unique to debian)
16:23.31petemcphrontist:  debian.org
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16:24.45bloomis Debian AMD64 testing in the main archive yet?
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16:24.59abrotmanshould be
16:25.03abrotman!amd64
16:25.03dpkg[amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq
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16:25.15Goshawkis there someone here that plyed with debpool?
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16:25.36abrotman!amd64 =~ s/ (Sarge + 1)//
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16:25.36dpkgOK, abrotman
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16:27.33phrontistI ran update alternatives as root, set the window manager to blackbox, and then logged in as a non-root user, ran startx, and it used the default WM instead of blackbox
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16:28.20brightgathond, benc: i booted with memtest86, and sure enough, one of my mem sticks was bad ... i took it out, and everything seems to be working well.  it even managed to partition the entire hard drive with the ext3 file system, whereas before it was hanging about halfway through.
16:28.53bob2phrontist: so, make them a ~/.xsession already
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16:30.08brightthat was frustrating, but now that the solution has been found, the experience was worth it.
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16:32.03takatumispeaking of memtest, was looking at a program called lucifer, v 1.0 released in 1999 ;-/
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16:32.32abrotmanwhy?
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16:32.44takatumiabrotman: just.
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16:32.49dvstakatumi: How could you trust a program called "lucifer"?
16:33.00abrotmanlike satan ?
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16:33.17snorkshow do you check what architecture/specs you have in MS-DOS 3.0?
16:33.17takatumidvs: it's even there on the ultimte boot cd
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16:33.52snorkshow do you check what architecture/cpu-specs you have in MS-DOS 3.0?
16:33.52takatumiabrotman: relased in 1999 == 666?
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16:33.53abrotmansatan ?
16:33.53abrotmanit got renamed
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16:33.53Manoj_dvs, maybe one likes lucifer?
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16:33.56abrotmansnorks: in waht?
16:34.10takatumiworks rather well.
16:34.14abasnorks: there is no Debian release called "MS-DOS 3.0"
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16:34.38ptlisMS-DOS.... 3.0
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16:34.45abrotmanbad release!
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16:34.57Manoj_aba, may be we could create one, just to confuse the heck out of everyone :)
16:35.00ptlisAll MS-DOS were bad releases.
16:35.13snorksaba: I know, guys guys guys. But there must be someone here older than 21 years old, who knows it :/ I found this really, really old "laptop" with black/orange screen from Toshiba, and it has 840 kbyte ram, and MS-dos 3.0
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16:35.34ptlisIt was based off an OS called Quick and Dirty Operating System - if that's not a hint that it's a POS I don't know what is ;)
16:35.38FrostbiteOn a bridge, can I use -s in the forward chain? For some reason, this breaks my bridge.  Any Ideas?  iptables -P FORWARD DROP; iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.22.18 -j ACCEPT; iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT  .  Shouldn't this allow traffic through from that ip and replies?
16:35.42snorksI have actually programmed something on it, with qbasic, when I was like 10 years old
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16:36.06abasnorks: there is nothing related of that topic with debian. Feel free to join #msdos ...
16:36.17Manoj_snorks, no cd-rom either, eh?
16:36.22abrotmanyeah .. dos .. you turn it on
16:36.22snorksManoj_: nope :P
16:36.37takatumi!rube goldberg install
16:36.37dpkg"Hi!  I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card.  I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
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16:36.44abrotmansnorks: it's probably a 286
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16:37.10abrotmansnorks: does it have a floppy?
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16:37.21takatumiManoj_: sania lost. :(
16:37.26snorksaba: you dont have to be difficult. Where do people that are good with prompts and computers generally? In linux distro channels. I took a chance, I found you, and you are telling me no one here wants to help. It's ok
16:37.27abrotmansnorks: ask #hardware or #msdos
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16:37.37snorksabrotman: it has a floppy yep
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16:38.16shingouzsnorks: what is the exact type of the thing?
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16:38.32abrotmanshingouz: laptop old .. crappy .. monochrome :)
16:38.45shingouzabrotman: i know. really ancient
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16:39.22snorksshingouz: it's a Toshiba, um... sec
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16:39.25Frostbitesnorks, try this: get a 2.5:3.5 ide adaptor and plug the drive into your pc
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16:39.39snorksToshiba T-3100e
16:39.44Frostbitesnorks, install debian onto the disk with the pc
16:40.08shingouzsnorks: one of those big-ass things that need mains power all the time? about the size of a briefcase?
16:40.16Frostbitesnorks, once it's setup, move the drive back to the laptop
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16:40.29shingouzFrostbite: it is not a real laptop, it is a luggable
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16:40.44Frostbiteshingouz, but it'll run linux :P
16:40.47abrotmanand like i said before .. probably a 286 ..
16:40.51abrotmanFrostbite: not if it's 286
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16:40.56snorksshingouz: That's the one!
16:41.00Frostbiteabrotman, ahh :)
16:41.06shingouzFrostbite: that one should run linux, afaik it is a 386 already
16:41.20abrotmanshingouz: 286!
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16:41.31shingouzsnorks: on mess-doss you do not have any real tools
16:41.36shingouzabrotman: you sure?
16:41.41Frostbite"Toshiba Personal Computer T3100e is a compact and lightweight
16:41.41Frostbiteportable personal computer. The T3100e is a high-performance system
16:41.41Frostbitewith special features. The CPU is the 80286-12 16-bit microprocessor.
16:41.41FrostbiteThe standard memory has a capacity of 1 Mbyte. The hard disk drive
16:41.41Frostbite(HDD) has a capacity of 20 Mbytes. The floppy disk drive (FDD) can
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16:41.46shingouzok
16:41.46abrotmanshingouz: it's a guess .. based on the OS and amount of RAM
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16:41.51dvs286?
16:41.52shingouz286
16:42.01dvs286!
16:42.03abrotmando i win?
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16:42.04shingouzsnorks: no linux on that one
16:42.08shingouz!win abrotman
16:42.09dpkgCongratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency!
16:42.12dvsabrotman: You win the laptop
16:42.14Frostbitebah kicked
16:42.14takatumibsd?
16:42.14abrotmanthere was at one time a linux that would run on 286
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16:42.16snorksshingouz: hehe thought so :/ but thanks anyway mate
16:42.21streuner!tell Frostbite about flood
16:42.25burnezhi there! can somebody tell me how to set up gdm to use the german keyboard-layout?
16:42.25abrotmanwait . let me look
16:42.35shingouzabrotman: no there was not
16:42.36Frostbitestreuner, I know.  I thought it was smaller
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16:42.47abrotmanshingouz: http://tuxmobil.org/286_mobile.html
16:42.48takatumioh was there a kick? -ALL -PUBLIC -ACTIONS is rather quiet.
16:42.48snorksFrostbite: sorry that you got kicked :/ but thats the one :) now thats oldschool
16:42.50abrotmani win again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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16:42.58abrotmanwhoops . .that was for snorks
16:43.08snorksFrostbite: awesome :)
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16:43.34shingouzabrotman: elks is not strictly speaking linux...
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16:43.56abrotmanshingouz: afaik . it's a heavily patched linux kernel
16:44.09arcticjethro: do you know how to install a new kernel?
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16:44.30shingouzabrotman: i am not going to pick ai fight with you over this :p
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16:44.49streunerarctic: why do you think you need a new kernel?
16:44.50shingouzdamn, wtf am i typing
16:45.03abrotmanshingouz: fight!!!?!?!!?
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16:45.13jethroarctic: yes I do, but you'd better ask the channel, and not me only :)
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16:45.43snorksIs there anything fun to do with a 286 and serial/parallell port?
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16:45.55abrotmansnorks: terminal
16:46.05bob2try running ELKS on it
16:46.06arcticcan somebody plz explain me how to install a kernel 2.6.13.tar.gz?
16:46.07jethroarctic: apt-cache search kernel-image, then pick one, then apt-get install kernel-image-foo
16:46.08abrotmansnorks: ELKS might install
16:46.09bob2then realise it's pointless
16:46.11shingouzsnorks: install dos, wfw 3.11 and calmira, make it look like xp and piss off all your friends?
16:46.13bob2arctic: don't
16:46.13abrotmanbob2: i already showed him that
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16:46.21jethroarctic: you don't want to build from sources I think
16:46.25bob2arctic: if you don't even know how to unpack it, you'll only break your system
16:46.27takatumi!agi kernel-image-foo
16:46.27jethroarctic: use a debian kernel image instead
16:46.27dpkgaptitude install kernel-image-foo
16:46.31snorksshingouz: hahaha, but it's black/orange screen
16:46.33streunerarctic: get some experience first
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16:46.39shingouzsnorks: so?
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16:46.51snorksshingouz: :?
16:46.52snorksshingouz: :/
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16:47.13streunerarctic: if you haven't a real good reason, playing with kernels causes headaches
16:47.24shingouzsnorks: or try elks (or os/2 for that matter) there are unixes that run on 286 hardware but finding them will be very painful
16:47.28arcticjethro, streuner: i know how to install the kernel-image with kernel headers, but i want to know how it works normally
16:47.51jethroarctic: apt-get install kernel-package, then cd /usr/share/doc/kernel-package, and read :)
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16:48.18takatumi!kp mantra
16:48.18dpkgThe kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image;
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16:48.35De_Monis there a better way to find yetsterdays date?
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16:48.42jethrotakatumi: that's overkill for a first time :)
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16:48.50AP03can anyone help - how does one create a module?
16:48.51jethrotakatumi: and that looks more like a gentoo recipe ;)
16:48.54takatumijethro: absofuckinglutely.
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16:49.11bob2AP03: back up and explain what on earth you're trying to do
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16:49.32jethrojenner: his point is that he wants to know how one builds kernel images the debian way I think
16:49.39De_MonAP03 build a kernel module?
16:49.41AP03bob2: I would like to create a cpu freq scaling module that didnt get made during the kernel recompile
16:49.47AP03De_Mon: see above
16:49.50jethroanyways
16:49.54bob2AP03: then use a Debian kernel, which includes them all
16:50.05bob2AP03: in general, it's not possible to just compile one module
16:50.08abrotmani don't eat catfood
16:50.09bob2perhaps it will work, perhaps not
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16:50.56takatumitry it without make-kpkg clean, would just run a little.
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16:52.01AP03bob2: isnt there someway to run the menuconfig to get the modules made?
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16:52.31bob2did you read what I said or not?
16:52.38bob2yes, you can use menuconfig and make modules
16:52.43bob2no, it may not do anything useful
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16:53.06samuelare there any gnome ui desktop improvements? a package sort of like the fifth toe, but for he ui?
16:53.07AP03bob2: why not?
16:53.14bob2?
16:53.25AP03bob2: why may it not do anything useful
16:53.26bob2e.g. ipv6 changes the size of some kernel datstructures
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16:54.20takatumisame here.
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16:55.07bob2as above
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16:55.23AP03nite613: could you walk me through it real quick?
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16:57.09nite613AP03: you have compiled your own kernel, right? And you just want to turn on one more module?
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16:57.24tarzeaui'm still looking for chemists
16:57.25AP03nite613: yes
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16:58.10Liquid_Tensionok guys, I need resolvconf help, I have no idea how to get my linux box to recongnize domain names...
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16:58.21HeadyMcHeOMG I MADE IT IN
16:58.28dvsban him!
16:58.31HeadyMcHe:X
16:58.34HeadyMcHe:'(
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16:59.34nite613AP03: Then just go back to your kernel source dir, run make menuconfig again, select the module you need, then `make modules` and `make modules_install`
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16:59.39Liquid_Tensioncan anyone provide me with even a link for help with resolvconf or dns? I've been looking and can't find anything
16:59.54AP03nite613: k, thx
16:59.55HeadyMcHeis there ANYONE in here who could help me with debian installation on SATA
17:00.06dvsHeadyMcHe: What chipset?
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17:00.11HeadyMcHenforce
17:00.28dvsHeadyMcHe: Have you tried the "linux26" at the boot: prompt?
17:00.42HeadyMcHefor debian?
17:00.50dvsHeadyMcHe: yes
17:00.52bob2yay for being annoying
17:00.59pznLiquid_Tension, do you need a resolv.conf sample? tell more about your problem...
17:01.00jennerHeadyMcHe: just curious, do you get a "pivot_root" error and a kernel panic when booting a 2.6 kernel?
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17:01.04HeadyMcHenot yet i needed to know which cds to download first
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17:01.17dvsHeadyMcHe: Do you have a fast internet connection?
17:01.19HeadyMcHei was trying to get it to work on Slackware but they are noobs
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17:01.24bob2wtf
17:01.30takatumiLiquid_Tension: dhclient?
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17:01.38HeadyMcHeyes i have cable
17:01.46dvsHeadyMcHe: Get the netinst CD
17:01.55AnitaLI am trying out the 2.6 kernel on sid.  I have a laptop.  Battery monitor works with 2.4 and not with 2.6.  What might that be?
17:01.55HeadyMcHeim on wireless
17:01.59jnci'm at wits end trying to make LIRC compile on debian unstable
17:02.08bob2HeadyMcHe: then go find some cat-5
17:02.09jncwho's got experiences w/ that
17:02.17dvsHeadyMcHe: Whoa!  Can't help you there.
17:02.23bob2AnitaL: how old is the laptop?
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17:02.30bob2jnc: you're being too vague
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17:02.33AnitaLcompaq armada e500
17:02.40HeadyMcHebob2:the ethernet is onboard
17:02.40AnitaLpretty old I think
17:02.47jncbob2: the lirc modules fail to compile via module-assistant
17:02.48takatumijnc: m-a prepare && m-a a-i lirc?
17:02.49bob2AnitaL: from what year?
17:02.55bob2jnc: then file a bug
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17:03.04dvsHeadyMcHe: You'll have a REALLY hard time trying to install it wirelessly
17:03.05bob2HeadyMcHe: so, go find some cable and get a netinst cd
17:03.08AnitaLI got it used, so not sure what year
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17:03.34jnctakatumi: see... i thought so.   it asked me for a config option the first time through which i said "automatically find the hardware", thinking that it would be easy to blow away /usr/src/modules/lirc and try again
17:03.40HeadyMcHebob2: it will install without the network drivers?
17:03.47jncwhen i do that however, the menu option it presented me is no longer given
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17:03.58jncso i'm confused about where i need to start over
17:04.01dvsHeadyMcHe: If you get the full CDs
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17:04.04bob2HeadyMcHe: what on earth are you talking about?
17:04.19bob2HeadyMcHe: you think Debian's installer doesn't support your NIC?
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17:04.30elriahHi all.  I'm running debian 3.1 (sarge) and i've upgraded from the testing to stable... But my /etc/apt/sources.list still refers to debian testing main ... Is that right?
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17:04.55dvselriah: going from testing to stable is downgrading, which is not supported.
17:04.57bob2elriah: testing to stable is a downgrade...
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17:05.33resiakPlease, please, can we maim famd ?
17:05.34HeadyMcHebob2: what cd images should i download so i dont have to worry about net install
17:05.49WhiteRabbitHeadyMcHe, 2 dvds
17:05.55bob2HeadyMcHe: if you don't have network access, get all 14 sarge cds
17:05.55dvsHeadyMcHe: or 14 CDs
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17:06.14elriahWell, I was running sarge when it was in testing, then did a distro upgrade to stable...
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17:06.26elriahShould my sources list still reflect testing main?
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17:06.34bob2elriah: er, in what sense are you using stable then?
17:06.37HeadyMcHeO_O WHAT one earth could be on 14 discs
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17:06.41elriahYea, sorry.  New to debian.
17:06.49bob2elriah: the contents of sources.list mroe or less defines your version of debian
17:06.54dvselriah: If your sources.list still says testing, then you're in testing
17:07.01bob2if it says testing, and you've used apt, you're using testing
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17:07.06bob2HeadyMcHe: software...
17:07.10elriahAhh.
17:07.15HeadyMcHe@_@
17:07.21bob2HeadyMcHe: ?
17:07.26elriahSo how do I ensure I'm using the current stable version when using netinstall?
17:07.27dvsHeadyMcHe: Everything and the kitchen sink (emacs)
17:07.28bob2Debian has > 10 000 packages
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17:07.41bob2elriah: use a stable netinstall image
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17:07.57elriahdebian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso  is the one I used.
17:08.10snorksOk, I found some version of ELKS. How do you copy files (an ISO i think) to a floppy? And do I format the floppy as ext2 or FAT?
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17:08.12elriahThen i did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
17:08.13bob2then don't fiddle your sources.list at al
17:08.27elriahoops
17:08.29dvselriah: Did you change /etc/apt/sources.list?
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17:08.40elriahYea.  Trying to get apt to work.
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17:08.46HeadyMcHedvs & bob2: ok so the netinst will support the network card on the Abit NF8-V motherboard?
17:08.56bob2HeadyMcHe: how on earth would we know?
17:09.00elriahit just had file:///cdrom .. I put in deb http:// .. debian testing main
17:09.02HeadyMcHelol
17:09.03bob2you didn't mention the NIC at all until now
17:09.03dvsHeadyMcHe: Probably.
17:09.16elriahWhat should it be for current stable?
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17:09.23bob2elriah: and by doing so, told it to use testiubg
17:09.30bob2elriah: testing instead of stable...
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17:09.30dvselriah: What should what be?
17:09.34elriahYea, I see that now.  I'm an idiot.
17:09.40Pyhello!
17:09.45elriahWhat should my sources-list reflect to pull packages from stable?
17:10.07abaelriah: only stable or the code name sarge
17:10.14dvselriah: There should be no "testing" phrases, just "stable"
17:10.16PyIs there something like gentoo's rc-update in debian? It is used to add/del services to/from runlevels.
17:10.25jncPy: yeah, rcconf
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17:10.32elriahdeb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable  <= like this?
17:10.33streunerPy: or update-rc.d
17:10.41dvselriah: Actually, aba is right, "sarge" would be a better phrase to use.
17:10.44aba(and sarge has the advantage that you don't get etch when etch gets stable, but only when you decide you want the dist-upgrade)
17:10.48dvselriah: That's wrong
17:10.50bob2elriah: with the correct bits after, yes
17:10.53jncPy: the command line one is traditionally update-rc.d though I find it much more invovled to use than the gentoo-alike
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17:11.03elriahSo I've screwed myself... I need to reinstall from scratch probably to maintain a stable set of packages ..
17:11.08dvselriah: You must put at least "main" after the "stable" phrase
17:11.12jncPy: rcconf should be pretty straightforward for ya
17:11.12elriahdeb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable main <= like this?
17:11.32abae.g. deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free
17:11.32jncyeah looks about right
17:11.32Pyjnc: thx, I'll give it a try
17:11.34AnitaLon the issue with the laptop and kernel 2.6, are you wondering if mine uses apci?  It doesn't use local apci.  That is disabled according to what I see scrolling by.
17:11.45bob2AnitaL: yes
17:11.49Pystreuner, thanks for the info
17:11.49elriahShould I just reinstall nwo that I've been apt-get'ting from testing?
17:11.51dvselriah: that's better.  but if you changed it to testing then did an "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" then you now have testing.
17:11.53abaelriah: but - you won't get a downgrade by that, i.e. you have testing packages and will keep them
17:11.56bob2elriah: yes
17:12.03yooHi  everybody  !
17:12.08elriahThanks all.  Sorry for being an idiot. heh
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17:12.30jnctakatumi: i will try a newer kernel, i guess.  brb
17:12.31Zap-Whttp://www.darkrock.co.uk/gallery/art/cindy_margolis_uses_debian.png
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17:13.16takatumijnc: check logs, check bts, file a bug if it ain't there, etc. yesh, another kernel won't hurt. ;)
17:13.29AP03can anyone tell me why a driver wouldnt be available in a kernel source?
17:13.34alexrait1Hello, I have a problem with my router. When dhclient determines the nameserver it gives 10.0.0.138, but it doesn't return the correct address so I have to define it manually. The problem is that dhclient updates the resolv.conf file regulary.. how to tell dhclient to do this../
17:13.45bob2AP03: perhaps you could just tell us the name of the driver?
17:13.51alexrait1not to do this *
17:13.55AP03bob2: cpufreq_userspace
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17:14.01jnctakatumi: each kernel gets perpetually worse than the one before it (in terms of stability ;)
17:14.09bob2AP03: which is already a part of Debian kernels
17:14.13AP03bob2: i cant find it in modconf although i hear it is supposed to be there
17:14.20ChrisHalexrait1: Why does your DHCP server send you the wrong DNS address?
17:14.24bob2then ignore modconf
17:14.28takatumijnc: .13 was buggy the first compile, back to .12
17:14.28bob2since it's known broken
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17:14.29AnitaLI guess I should try running 2.4 with apmd to see if the battery works and then with apcid.  Does kernel 2.6 use only apci? and not apm?
17:14.36bob2AnitaL: no
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17:14.41samuelis there something like google earth for linux?
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17:14.49AP03bob2: so where cn i find it
17:14.58streunersamuel: no
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17:15.10samuelstreuner, :(
17:15.16AP03bob2: i see it in the menuconfig but cant select it for some reason
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17:15.21bob2AP03: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep cpufreq
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17:15.28bob2assuming you're using a Debian kernel
17:15.29alexrait1ChrisH, It's and adsl modem... and I configured it to work as a router and that's what it sends to me...
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17:15.32bob2if not, have fun!
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17:15.47takatumiAP03: read the description with a '?'
17:15.54alexrait1ChrisH, where can I paste code? I can show you the output of wget yahoo.com. It finds the correct ip sometimes and sometimes not
17:15.58ChrisHalexrait1: So you are using DHCP although the DHCP server is misconfigured. Wouldn't it be easier to fix the DHCP server?
17:16.00AP03bob2: i see no userspace in there
17:16.10ChrisHalexrait1: paste.debian.net
17:16.28ChrisHalexrait1: Perhaps you have more than one DHCP server in your network?
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17:16.32AnitaLAre you saying that I should be able to get the battery reading using 2.6 and apmd?  This is what I currently use in 2.4
17:16.41streunersamuel: they made it only for windows, even wine or the version of wine-hq didn't work for me...
17:16.43AP03bob2: i see no userspace in there
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17:16.50AP03sorry
17:16.59bob2AnitaL: indeed
17:17.07bob2AnitaL: if it doesn't work, file a bug
17:17.13AnitaLOk, thanks
17:17.14AP03takatumi: ? just brings up the general help - all i see for the userspace stuff is a '---' what does that mean?
17:17.17bob2AP03: and "uname -r" says?
17:17.20samuelstreuner, i know! ive already tried wine! works under qemu, but its slooooooowwwwwww........
17:17.25alexrait1ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/1801
17:17.27AP032.6.9
17:17.42bob2AP03: so, you're using a kernel you built yourself then
17:17.46bob2not surprising it's not there
17:17.46streunersamuel: you got Google Earth working with wine?
17:17.53takatumiAP03: what is the exact config selection or name?
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17:18.03AP03bob2: why not? i followed debs instructions
17:18.06streunersamuel: which version?
17:18.11ChrisHalexrait1: that indeed sounds like your resolv.conf is freaked.
17:18.13bob2AP03: because you didn't configure it to be there
17:18.16AP03takatumi: CPUFreq processor drivers
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17:18.22streunersamuel: (wine)
17:18.24samuelstreuner, no, sorry, what im saying is that i know it does not work with wine... only under qemu
17:18.26AP03bob2: but i cant even select the option!
17:18.31alexrait1ChrisH, I just want to tell dhclient not to update it
17:18.45alexrait1ChrisH, if I set my own nameserver it works ok
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17:19.04bob2AP03: then perhaps you didn't select another option it depends on
17:19.06alexrait1ChrisH, do you know how to do this? is it possible at all?
17:19.08ChrisHalexrait1: I understand it. But can't you rather fix the DHCP server?
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17:19.18alexrait1ChrisH, I don't know how..:(
17:19.42alexrait1ChrisH, it's Aztech DSL-600E adsl modem...
17:20.12ChrisHalexrait1: Sorry, don't know that model. But IMHO it's rather worth finding out how to fix the router than to create workarounds on your clients.
17:20.20bob2install dhcp3-client
17:20.25bob2edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
17:20.27bob2profit
17:20.51AP03takatumi: sorry i mean 'userspace' governor for userspace frequency scaling
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17:20.58nico8481hi
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17:21.39alexrait1ChrisH, there are only three options there:Server on (Start OP, End IP, Lease Time) Relay IP, Server and RElay off
17:22.00alexrait1ChrisH, it seems I can't do much with this...
17:22.09h3xisi know this is a common issue but does anyone know how to get alsamixer to save volume settings?
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17:22.24alexrait1ChrisH, besides if I switch to windows there is no problem with it
17:22.29ChrisHalexrait1: I'm a bit out of ideas here. My priority would be to fix the server though.
17:22.47ChrisHalexrait1: Windows perhaps does that ugly uPnP which makes matters even worse. (Although it may work in your case.)
17:23.01step_haneCan someone tell me how to boot into a text only interface? The server is booting outside the range of the monitors I have on site and I can't see anything (hope I'm not interrupting)
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17:23.19alexrait1ChrisH, I have no idea what these things are :(
17:23.20bob2step_hane: ctrl-alt-f1
17:23.26step_hanethank you
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17:23.36takatumiAP03: hit enter and select one.
17:23.38ChrisHalexrait1: Ask your network admin. :) SCNR.
17:23.39step_hane:)
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17:24.11AP03takatumi: sorry i mean 'userspace' governor for userspace frequency scaling - i hit enter on it and it just blinks
17:24.26AP03takatumi: to the left the option is just '---'
17:24.33amphi!tell step_hane about nodm
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17:24.45Yuliaanyone who can help me to enable my wifi?.  After all i get this message: ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Operation not supported
17:25.06takatumiAP03: do you have CONFIG_CPU_FREQ selected?
17:25.08kingofhearts951what version of debian is knoppix based after?
17:25.18AP03takatumi: how can i check
17:25.33ChrisHkingofhearts951: Should be 'Sid' with a few parts from experimental. I think KDE 3.4 is on it.
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17:26.14takatumiAP03: it's the first option in cpu freq scaling. or grep CONFIG_CPU_FREQ .config
17:26.17kingofhearts951so does then mean that it's a full debian OS
17:26.27dvskingofhearts951: nope
17:26.34bob2Yulia: when asking questions like that, you need to include a lot more information
17:26.41ChrisHkingofhearts951: Merely a derived distributon based on Debian packages.
17:26.41step_haneapt-get install subversion wants me to put the debian disk in (but I don't have it here). How can I force it to download instead? I don't see the option.
17:26.42takatumiAP03: ignore that, I'm not making sense.
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17:26.53bob2Yulia: for instance: the chispet, which driver you're using, what command you ran to get that error
17:26.56ChrisHstep_hane: Change your /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the CD-ROM entry from there.
17:27.01kingofhearts951i see
17:27.04step_hanethank you
17:27.12dvsstep_hane: apt-setup
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17:27.16ChrisHstep_hane: Don't forget to "apt-get update" afterwards.
17:27.20nico8481anyone can help with latex and unicode? i'm trying to mix latin and cyrillic caracters within a single document and it doesn't seem to work... (after texi2pdf all the cyrillic has disappeared in the resulting pdf...)
17:27.32kingofhearts951what command so I use to change my run level to 3
17:27.38ChrisHkingofhearts951: init 3
17:27.39step_haneok thanks
17:27.55bob2kingofhearts951: that won't actualy do anything useful, of course
17:27.58SimonRavenwon't matter for shit however, unlesss you set it up differnetly
17:28.04bob2nless you altered the runlevels yourself
17:28.06takatumiAP03: it works fine here, try another kernel-source probably.
17:28.10SimonRavenpardon typos
17:28.25kingofhearts951i need to install my nvida drivers
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17:28.45SimonRavenkingofhearts951: /msg dpkg tell me about nvidia one-liner
17:28.46werw!nvidia
17:28.46dpkgwell, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..."  - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package
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17:31.10cahootnico8481: got latex-ucs installed?
17:32.16nico8481cahoot, yup
17:32.37jennerkingofhearts951: `apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source`
17:32.50kingofhearts951ok
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17:33.00kingofhearts951sorry I'm new to debian
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17:33.21kingofhearts951I was using Madriva where ever thing is done for you
17:33.21ChrisHkingofhearts951: No need to be sorry. That's the wisest decision. :)
17:33.45jennerkingofhearts951: run module-assistant as root afterwards and select nvidia from modules list
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17:34.50AP03takatumi: you still there?
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17:35.04takatumiAP03: no.
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17:36.01AP03takatumi: ok can i private msg you?
17:36.14SimonRaven@tell AP03 -about ask
17:36.17kingofhearts951jenner: do i just type module-assistant
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17:36.23takatumiAP03: ask here, many heads are better than one.
17:36.27takatumior none.
17:36.34jennerkingofhearts951: yep
17:36.36kingofhearts951and so i need to change anything in my XF86 config file
17:36.42nico8481@tell nico8481 -about ask
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17:37.04takatuminico8481: /msg dpkg ask is easier. :)
17:37.07SimonRavenuse /msg, thanks
17:37.25jennerkingofhearts951: your Section "Device" should have a Driver "nvidia"
17:37.27elriahAhh.. i see what I did.. I escaped out during the install before it actually added the right sources-list
17:37.31elriahmakes sense
17:37.33elriahI like debian.
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17:37.40nico8481:)
17:37.42SimonRaventhe tell $nick (-)about $factoid syntax is useful if it's a long-assed factoid
17:37.45AP03takatumi: the option i want is CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_USERSPACE
17:37.49h3xisanyone know where i can find a repo that includes the latest version of gaim?
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17:38.02AP03takatumi: when i do grep CONFIG_CPU_FREQ in the .config it is set to y
17:38.06kingofhearts951ok
17:38.12AP03takatumi: but when i do lsmod i dont see it in there
17:38.16kikinovakHi. I live in France and wonder how I could possibly get this information: 1) how many people connect to the internet via DSL/Cable/ISDN 2) how many by dialup? Any idea where this sort of information could be available?
17:38.32kingofhearts951do i need to docs on how to use the OpenGL libiries
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17:39.01h3xiskikinovak, worldwide?
17:39.03SimonRavenAP03: what's in your /boot/config-$(uname -r) / .config isn't an indicator of what's installed into kernel memory, just lists how that kernel was configured
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17:39.21TwistedEmotionsAnyone know of a good program that will help me setup a proxy so my IP's hidden?
17:39.22kikinovakh3xis well maybe both. worldwide and/or in France.
17:39.25AP03SimonRaven: how can i add this option please?
17:39.26pngwnkingofhearts951, not here...try google
17:39.33resiakTwistedEmotions: google for tor
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17:39.49ChrisHTwistedEmotions: You can install a proxy like Squid. But it will hide your IP. Without an IP address you can't do anythin on the internet.
17:39.54TwistedEmotionsresiak: apt-cache search shows a few... Just dont know which is useful.
17:39.54jennerkingofhearts951: use openGL libs as a user or as a programmer?
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17:40.05kingofhearts951user
17:40.10SimonRavenAP03: use a kernel with that option enabled
17:40.11resiakTwistedEmotions: EFF have put a lot into tor. Have a look at it.
17:40.12Yuliaanyone who can help me with this meesage: ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Operation not supported trying to enable wifi?
17:40.24pngwnsorry kingofhearts951
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17:40.28AP03SimonRaven: isnt 2.6.9 one of those?
17:40.34pngwnh3xis, try google
17:40.35TwistedEmotionsresiak: huh? EFF?
17:40.35bob2TwistedEmotions: don't be such a kiddy
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17:40.42cougar`How do I scroll while inside the tail command?
17:40.49bob2shift up
17:40.51TwistedEmotionsbob2: Errr... shutup. Thanks.
17:40.52jennerkingofhearts951: no, just make sure you have your x config contains a 'Load "glx"' in the "Module" Section
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17:40.58bob2but that's a terminal thing, not a tail thing
17:41.06h3xispngwn, i'm not the one looking for the info
17:41.07bob2TwistedEmotions: if you have an actual reason to require privacy, use tor
17:41.13SimonRavenAP03: 2.6.9 is a kernel version. it all depends on how it was configured, where/how you got it, etc.
17:41.23pngwn;)
17:41.40TwistedEmotionsbob2 trying to help in #asp... that's my reasoning.
17:41.47AP03SimonRaven: i think i got it - it depended on another option
17:41.48SimonRaven/kick TwistedEmotions
17:41.49bob2TwistedEmotions: then get an irc cloak
17:41.54AP03SimonRaven: making the modules now hopefully
17:42.03bob2"hiding your ip" makes you look dumb
17:42.10TwistedEmotionsSimonRaven: your funny ;)
17:42.15bob2"you're"
17:42.21SimonRaven"you're"
17:42.23bob2TwistedEmotions: /msg nickserv help
17:42.31TwistedEmotions"you're
17:42.40SimonRavenTwistedEmotions: i have little patience for fools
17:42.53TwistedEmotionsSimonRaven: Since when have I been a fool?
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17:43.09TwistedEmotionsJust trying to setup a fucking proxy.. why is everyone so pissy?
17:43.10ChrisHI don't think that TwistedEmotions is aware that cloaking on the internet doesn't work. No need to be offensive.
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17:43.34bob2TwistedEmotions: because when people ask to hide their IP, they're almost always clueless and about to do soemthing nasty
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17:43.39abaTwistedEmotions: please control your language
17:43.39AP03question: when you modprobe something, will it get added on next boot? or is that only in /etc/modules?
17:43.42bob2TwistedEmotions: no, you cannot hide your IP on the inernet, in general
17:43.43ChrisHTwistedEmotions: Please understand that often some less-fortunate people ask about "how can I become invisible on the internet" because they don't know how it works.
17:43.44SimonRavenChrisH: i wasn't being offesive.... you don't know me very well, do you?
17:43.46abaSimonRaven: and you also please
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17:43.50SimonRavenChrisH: ;)
17:43.53abaSimonRaven: you were.
17:43.57ChrisHSimonRaven: Not yet. :)
17:43.59bob2TwistedEmotions: if you want to hide it on IRC, /msg nickserv help, and get a cloak
17:44.08TwistedEmotionsaba: Didnt really cuss.
17:44.14WhiteRabbitTwistedEmotions, http://tor.eff.org/
17:44.18SimonRavenaba: blah
17:44.23ChrisHTwistedEmotions: Perhaps you can make clearer what you want to accomplish with a proxy setup like this.
17:44.25SimonRaven*plonk*
17:44.36TwistedEmotionsChrisH: sure.. I can make it look like I was hitting the site with a different IP... one that isnt mine.
17:44.37pngwn!SimonRaven++
17:44.38takatumiAP03: the userspace selection CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_USERSPACE will not be compiled as a module, neither will CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_USERSPACE ie. they are built-in lsmod won't say anything.
17:44.43abaSimonRaven: I don't believe in calling other peoples fools in public
17:44.59ChrisHTwistedEmotions: Okay, for what purpose. Testing? Hacking?
17:45.00TwistedEmotionsChrisH: looking to browse websites with it.
17:45.07rleighSimonRaven: If you can't be polite and helpful, please leave this channel.
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17:45.25SimonRaven*plonk*
17:45.25ChrisHTwistedEmotions: There are rumors that even anonymous proxies are run by the feds. So that doesn't make you any safer.
17:45.54TwistedEmotionsChrisH: That's fine by me... feds arent going to hunt me down for what I am trying to do...
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17:46.10slashmeHi!  I'm getting my first RAID server up.  I'm working from a HOWTO, and so far it's been great.  I've compiled the kernel, installed mdadm, created the same partition structure on the 2nd disk as the first, and now I have to copy over the directory structure.  I'm follwing the HOWTO's insctructions, but here I think he made a mistake.  He says (e.g.):
17:46.12step_hanewhat's the command for resetting all the environment variables like mouse and monitor?
17:46.12ChrisHTwistedEmotions: You could just point your browser at a public proxy then.
17:46.21slashmedellboy:~# mount /dev/md4 /mnt/var
17:46.21abasomeone with proper priviliges, please kick SimonRaven
17:46.22slashmedellboy:~# cp -dpRx /var /mnt/var
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17:46.42slashmeBut that makes, in this case, /mnt/var/var
17:46.51hmakholmTwistedEmotions: Basically what you want is not done by installing a program locally. Instead you configure your browser to use a proxy that somebody else has already nicely provided.
17:46.54pngwnaba, why not put him on ignore if he bothers you?
17:46.55bob2step_hane: in what sense are mouse and monitor environment variables?
17:47.05bob2aba: I don't see SimonRaven doing anything justifying that
17:47.10SimonRavenTwistedEmotions: you can do that,thing is TCP is a 3-way handshake, and saying "hide your IP" is a bit silly unless you show some context
17:47.12TwistedEmotionsChrisH: I want all net traffic from my computer to use proxy... not just web.
17:47.22aba19:42 < SimonRaven> TwistedEmotions: i have little patience for fools
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17:47.27slashmeShould that not be "cp -dpRx /var/* /mnt/var" ?
17:47.27nullvoidhi all
17:47.28ChrisHTwistedEmotions: That's unfortunately not possible.
17:47.31step_haneok well what I meant was to reset the setup for x
17:47.41bob2aba: and it's been resolved now
17:47.49TwistedEmotionsSimonRaven: I meant as in to give a different IP...
17:47.54TwistedEmotionsChrisH: sure it is.
17:47.55SimonRavensure
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17:47.59paulswmWho are these people coming in and makng arbitrary judgements and acting as if they own the place?  Now *that's* offensive!
17:48.02hmakholmTwistedEmotions
17:48.06bob2step_hane: why?  you manually edited it?
17:48.12rleighslashme: "cp -a" is usually a better choice.
17:48.14bob2TwistedEmotions: sorry, the internt does not work like that
17:48.16TwistedEmotionshmakholm:
17:48.20hmakholmTwistedEmotions: Are you looking for a VPN-like thing?
17:48.20nullvoidI just got my webserver running, but how can I download or duplicate my old website pages, I have the ftp login and password, I had tried to use httrack but can't download all the pages
17:48.24SimonRavenpaulswm: do what i did, *plonk* 'em
17:48.30step_haneI moved the system and I have a monitor outside the previous settings
17:48.34paulswm:beer SimonRaven
17:48.38paulswm!beer SimonRaven
17:48.38TwistedEmotionsbob2: Isn't that exactly what a proxy is?
17:48.39ChrisHnullvoid: Give "sitecopy" a try. Or just "wget -r"
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17:48.58SimonRavensitecopy is nice
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17:49.08slashmerleigh: That's not the issue here, as cp -a is the same as dpR.
17:49.08bob2TwistedEmotions: how do you plan to transparently proxy ssh?
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17:49.18bob2TwistedEmotions: you're wasting your time, no one cares what you do on the internet
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17:49.25SimonRaventhough i built it locally to re-enable SSL... if that isn't sorted out yet
17:49.25slashmerleigh: the issue is whether I want a directory inside a directory.
17:49.34TwistedEmotionsOk... basically.. Looking to crack a website password. Want it not to be traceable.
17:49.43slashmeI'm not sure whether there is any reason for that.
17:49.43TwistedEmotionsbob2: Using a anonymous proxy.
17:49.44ChrisHTwistedEmotions: Proxys just work for certain protocols. A HTTP proxy works for HTTP. There is no such thing as a "generic proxy".
17:49.54bob2TwistedEmotions: no, think harder
17:49.59bob2TwistedEmotions: do you know how ssh works?
17:49.59rleighslashme: Just copy to /mnt, and /var will be created for you.  /mnt is the correct destination.
17:50.09TwistedEmotionsbob2: yeah..
17:50.10bob2TwistedEmotions: if not, I'm not sure why you're assuming it's even possible
17:50.30SimonRavenanything is traceable. you can make it harder to do so but not impossible
17:50.39nullvoidChrisH: sitecopy: Error: Could not open rcfile: /root/.sitecopyrc
17:50.42TwistedEmotionsSimonRaven: that's my aim.
17:50.52Zap-Wparanoid ppl
17:50.56slashmerleigh: But as /var and /home are on different partitions, the HOWTO guy has one first copy / to /mnt, then /home to /mnt/home etc.
17:51.00ChrisHnullvoid: Please see the documentation/manpages to set it up.
17:51.00TwistedEmotionsgotta go guys. Thanks for the help.
17:51.06slashmeI just think he dropped the ball a bit.
17:51.12slashmebut maybe I'm wrong....
17:51.31TwistedEmotionsMe?
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17:52.04step_hanecan anyone tell me the command to restart the x setup? I don't know how to input the setting for my monitor.
17:52.06mayormccheesegood afternoon
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17:52.14tarzeau!drx
17:52.14dpkghmm... drx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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17:52.22TwistedEmotionsIf I had already dropped the ball then I wouldnt be looking for a fix. I'd be heading to a different country. ;)
17:52.23step_hanethank you that's it
17:52.26SimonRavenstep_hane: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 | or xserver-xorg
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17:52.41SimonRavener, s/|//
17:52.44tarzeaudpkg drx is also or xserver-xorg
17:52.45dpkgtarzeau: okay
17:52.45slashmeTwistedEmotions I'm not talking about you.
17:52.48mayormccheeseI would like to install and run a irc server for my office off my debian box.  Can anyone help me?
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17:53.00tarzeaumayormccheese: why not dancerd ?
17:53.09rleighslashme: What is your current partition structure, and intended structure after the copy?  Are you using LVM on top of the md device?
17:53.10SimonRavenor hyperion
17:53.15TwistedEmotionsslashme: just kidding. Going to work later all.
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17:53.34slashmerleigh: Where do I flood to, #flood?
17:53.40mayormccheesedancerd?
17:53.46tarzeauslashme: yes, but why not use pastebin?
17:53.51tarzeaumayormccheese: apt-cache show dancerd
17:53.53hmakholmmayormccheese: apt-cache search ircd?
17:53.55BenCmayormccheese: dancerd is an irc server (the one freenode uses)
17:54.06slashmerleigh: What is pastebin?
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17:54.11tarzeaumayormccheese: actually dancer-ircd
17:54.12mageerm
17:54.20isensihow do i kill 25892 ?        SW     0:00 [lockd]
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17:54.26tarzeau!pastebin
17:54.26dpkgsomebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca
17:54.34magefreenode uses something called hyperion right now, which is based on dancer
17:54.35cfaunkill -KILL 25892
17:54.37tarzeauisensi: what says the full ps -auxwww line on it?
17:54.41magealso why would one want to kill lockd?
17:54.44viper__hmm I`m connecting my Mylex DAC960 with my raid0 set of 3x 4 gig to my intel 486 100mhz ... this will work right ? probably won`t get the max speed but it will run good ?
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17:54.59slashmeAah.  OK, but I'm actually irc'ing through an ssh shell at the moment.
17:55.00rleighslashme: I don't know.  Feel free to put it in a text file for download somewhere.
17:55.00isensiroot     25892  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        SW   17:54   0:00 [lockd]
17:55.07hmakholmisensi: It looks like a zombie - i.e. it is already killed but it still sits in the list of processes, because its return status has not been collected by the parent process.
17:55.07isensiits a nfs share
17:55.20mayormccheeseapt-cache search dancer-ircd didn't do anything
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17:55.38cfaunisensi: kill -KILL 25892. man kill for details
17:55.38step_haneanyone know what a usb mouse port is called? tty... input/mice atibm etc?
17:55.40magemage     12756 12755  0 Aug28 pts/7    00:00:00 [gzip] <defunct>
17:55.44resiakdpkg: no, drx is <reply> see drxx
17:55.44dpkgresiak: okay
17:55.46magethats a defunct process
17:55.47hmakholmmayormccheese: Do you mean it just completed without printing ANYTHING?
17:55.52dvsstep_hane: /dev/input/mice
17:55.54isensithen how do i kill or remove a zombie ?
17:55.56mayormccheeseyes
17:55.57step_hanethanks
17:56.03slashmedvs, maybe not...
17:56.08magelooks more like a kernel process
17:56.09mayormccheesewent back to my prompt
17:56.13slashmedev/input/mice is usb sometimes.
17:56.18mayormccheesePlease exuse me, I'm a beginner.
17:56.29dvsslashme: and on a 2.6 kernel.  I forgot about that.
17:56.33slashmepsaux?
17:56.37mageisensi: what sort of NFS share problem is it?
17:56.37mayormccheesenoob, ds, idiot, whichever you wish to label.
17:56.40tarzeauisensi: you don't remove zombis/defuncts, the kernel does
17:56.41hmakholmmayormccheese: Hmm. Try just "apt-cache search irc", just so see if everything is wrong/
17:56.59slashmedev/psaux
17:57.03dvsslashme: No, psaux is always PS/2
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17:57.22isensitarzeau can i set a timeout somewhere to set the inteval in which the kernel removes zombies ?
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17:57.25slashmeoh, sorry, thought the guy was asking about ps2
17:57.27mayormccheeseI get a bunch of graphic versions of irc clients
17:57.29slashmeI misread his q.
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17:57.31tarzeauisensi: not that i know of
17:57.39isensiok
17:57.41isensithanks
17:57.50hmakholmmayormccheese: That's good. At least apt-cache is working. Now try "apt-cache search ircd".
17:57.51ChazI'm having trouble with the nvidia drivers. I need to get the close-source ones, because my video card is old and crappy and I've never really had success with anything else...
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17:57.59paulswmAnyone who has concerns about this wave of political correctness and the apparent attempt to take over the channel and lay down arbitrary rules is welcome to pop in to #debian-offtopic and let off steam or discuss.
17:58.00bob2!+nvidia one liner
17:58.00dpkghmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
17:58.02ChazHow do I go about doing that in Debian?
17:58.03bob2Chaz: ^
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17:58.17ChazSee, I thought it was something like that based on google.
17:58.27Chazapt-get gives me problems then. Says that nvidia-glx does not exist.
17:58.35resiak!tell Chaz -about non-free sources
17:58.36dvsChaz: If it's old then the "nv" driver should work.
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17:58.45samuelis it just me or is gdesklets rubbish? is it slow and does it crash for everyone else too?
17:58.50mayormccheesenothing
17:58.51rleighisensi: Zombies cannot be killed.  They are processes which have completed but are waiting for their parent to wait(2) for them.
17:58.56mayormccheesejust returns me to a prompt
17:58.57bob2samuel: same here
17:59.04mageresiak: hahaha
17:59.05hmakholmmayormccheese: Strange indeed.
17:59.10Chazdvs: It works, but it looks like crap. Max resolution is 640x480, depth is 16, and the screen twitches.
17:59.11samuelbob2, ok, thanks....
17:59.19mayormccheesedo I need to edit my source list?
17:59.23hmakholmmayormccheese: Try doing an apt-get update first.
17:59.28mayormccheeseI did that
17:59.29abrotmanwait .. mayormccheese was the old school mayor in the mcdonalds commericials! ... i'm so slow
17:59.36mayormccheeseyes I was
17:59.37mayormccheeseI'
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17:59.40mayormccheeseI'm retired now
17:59.45abrotmanheh
17:59.46hmakholmmayormccheese: It may be time to look at sources.list now.
17:59.54mayormccheeseI hang out with Grimmace and play cards alot now.
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18:00.22mayormccheeseok in sources
18:00.31hmakholmmayormccheese: Which version of Debian are you running? Have you successfully downloaded packages online, or is everything off a CD?
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18:01.01mayormccheeseEverything was off a cd
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18:01.21mayormccheesecrap
18:01.35hmakholmmayormccheese: Ok, then you need to add some HTTP sources. I can't remember what the user-friendly interface for doing that is. Anyone?
18:01.40mayormccheeseI didn't have a net connection during install and when I do a apt-get install now it wants the cd
18:01.44mayormccheeseI'm sorry
18:01.53hmakholmmayormccheese: Don't panic.
18:01.54mayormccheeseI've installed this 3 times and forgot about this....
18:01.57cougar`Melian: forget cougar
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18:01.59cougar`How do I scroll while inside the tail command?
18:02.16hmakholmmayormccheese: First, edit sources.list and put a # in front of each of the cdrom lines.
18:02.27mayormccheesewhere is that list again?
18:02.37mwilson!find lsraid
18:02.38hmakholmmayormccheese: editor /etc/apt/sources.list
18:02.42mayormccheeseright
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18:03.00Chaz"Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source failed."
18:03.33mayormccheeseahh my cdrom was active but the http://security.debian.....was commented out
18:03.43ThaigerWhen I start up I get a dialog box saying that X can't be started, but I can't find any errors in my log.  Any advice?
18:03.50hmakholmmayormccheese: Comment in the security line, and then add a line reading "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main"
18:03.56rleighmayormccheese: As root, run "base-config".  This will allow automatic configuration of APT (it's a menu option).
18:04.08hmakholmmayormccheese: Listen to rleigh, not to me.
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18:04.26dpkgDebian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lsraid' returned no results.
18:04.50Chaz"Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source failed.  Maybe you need to add something to sources list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives." <- This doesn't give me a whole lot to go on. What do I need to do to make it work?
18:05.27dvsChaz: Check your /etc/apt/sources.list file
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18:05.41petemcChaz: Maybe you need to add something to sources list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives
18:06.08Chazpetemc: "maybe" and "something" aren't exactly definitive or altogether useful terms.
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18:06.35Chazdvs: What am I checking for? The file is there. It has a few lines, one of them commented.
18:06.39petemcChaz: you're concentrating on the wrong words, try focusing on sources.list, contrib and non-free
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18:07.17hmakholmChaz: If the non-commented line ends with "main", try adding " contrib non-free" to it.
18:07.31Chazpetemc: So... I'll make a guess then. Add contrib and non-free to the end of the deb-src line?
18:07.34mayormccheeseok ran bas config
18:07.37mayormccheesenice little util
18:07.41mayormccheesethank you
18:08.02petemcChaz: sounds plausible
18:08.15rleighThaiger: Check what is in /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log if running xorg on unstable).  This should log the reason for X server failure.
18:08.16mayormccheeseselected ftp.debian.org but it's timing out on connecting to
18:08.24Yuliaanybody can help me with wireless?. http://pastebin.com/355388 this is what says iwconfig eht1
18:08.26dvsChaz: Is the security line commented out?
18:08.27Chazpetemc: Done, same error.
18:08.30silensiusi have a frech install of debian sarge during configuration i have erase in /etc/deconf    file somebody can send me one
18:08.31Chazdvs: No.
18:08.31mayormccheeseFYI, I'm using the lastest 3.1 woody release
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18:08.42dvsChaz: fugetaboutit
18:08.47DiegoWhere?
18:08.56mwilsonmayormccheese: No, you're not.
18:08.58DiegoDos she have?
18:09.00petemcChaz: you need to run apt-get update, more importantly, you need to learn to read documentaion in general
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18:09.12Diegols /home/user
18:09.12hmakholmmayormccheese: Try using another mirror. ftp.debian.org is a round-robin alias; not all of the machines behind it are equally solid.
18:09.25rleighmayormccheese: Please use the mirror for your country.  This will be quicker and takes load off the main server.  It will be no less current than th main server.
18:09.28Chazpetemc: Its difficult to read documentation on a flickering screen where the colors keep shifting randomly.
18:09.29hmakholmmayormccheese: Version 3.1 is codenamed "sarge" not "woody".
18:09.30YuliaDiego hablas español verdad?
18:09.41mayormccheeseSorry my bad
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18:10.31hmakholmYulia: #debian-es
18:10.46Yuliahmakholm: no help there for wireless.
18:11.07hmakholmYulia: No help here in Spanish, I'm afraid.
18:11.36step_hanehow do I restart the apache server?
18:11.43PyOn a sarge box, I'have to install a particular app whose installer is an "InstallShield Wizard" (in java). It seems to rely on the /sbin/chkconfig utility, which seems to be unavailable on debian. Is there a way to get this utility, or to get this damn installer to work another way?
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18:11.48Yuliahmakholm: i know it. i tried before in english with no sucess
18:11.48hmakholmstep_hane: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
18:11.53DiegoHere and the Diego of Brazil. I want to share my Linux knowledge!
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18:12.01dvsstep_hane: invoke-rc.d apache2 restart
18:12.07step_hanethanks
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18:12.34hmakholmdvs: Strictly speaking, invoke-rc.d is for scripts to use. Its main function is to respect the current runlevel and initscript policy.
18:12.38Yuliahmakholm: you know about wifi configuration, for help me?
18:12.54hmakholmYulia: Very little, but do try asking.
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18:13.34silensiusi have a frech install of debian sarge during configuration i have erase /etc/deconf    file somebody can send me one
18:13.34nxvlis there some debian art page?
18:13.40step_haneboth of those didn't work... I know it's installed because I have two sites running off of it
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18:13.41nxvllike art.gnome.org but for debian?
18:13.47Yuliahmakholm: ok. all what i have done is here: http://debianforums.com/ftopic17352.html. And iwconfig is here: http://pastebin.com/355388
18:14.10hmakholmstep_hane: Try apache instead of apache2, then?
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18:14.22Yuliahmakholm: when i try to start my network ->ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Operation not supported
18:14.45robertbbDoes anyone here use Xorg and GNOME in dual screen?
18:15.01step_hanegood suggestion but that didn't do it
18:15.20petemcstep_hane: are you running debian?
18:15.24step_haneis there some way to look at the path?
18:15.31robertbbI have a laptop, and I'm exploring options as far as dualscreen goes. I'd like to be able to have a second screen in use when I am at my desk, and be able to disable it when I take the laptop out with me..
18:15.33step_hanein some startup log?
18:15.33hmakholmstep_hane: Are you root?
18:15.50robertbbSo far, it looks like I'm going to need to restart X each time I arrive/leave
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18:16.06hmakholmYulia: Sounds a bit over my head. Are you sure it is the wifi that is bad?
18:16.38Yuliahmakholm.it works in windou$$
18:16.42hmakholmYulia: I.e., do you get the same error if you just do 'ifup eth1'
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18:17.06samuelrobertbb, how did you do it with a dual screen? i was looking into it but never got too far... wasnt much more than interested about it...
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18:17.35robertbbsamuel: How did I do what?
18:17.46hmakholmsilensius: You still have a problem?
18:18.02samuelrobertbb, you have two different desktops on both screens?
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18:18.43mayormccheeseok so is dancer better then ircd or ircd-hybrid for a newbie to setup?  My goal is to setup a irc server for coworkers to connect into locally and from outside the network and communicate with each other securely.
18:19.00rleigh_<PROTECTED>
18:19.10robertbbsamuel: I havn't set up dual screen though. I have researched and am aware of the steps, but I'm wanting to do it with a specific end in mind - I just wanted to verify that end is attainable :-)
18:19.16mayormccheeseand thank you for those that helped me with the apt-get corrections.
18:19.21hmakholmmayormccheese: I don't really think "irc" and "securely" belongs in the same sentence :-)
18:19.25robertbbAnd thus far, it looks like that capability is not supported within Xorg.
18:19.33Diego<PROTECTED>
18:19.37Yuliahmakholm: same error, and loose network for both eth
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18:20.09Yuliahmakholm: trying to turn on eth1, eth0 not works
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18:20.30samuelrobertbb, from what ive read its definatelly attainable... but i dont know how to do it...
18:20.47hmakholmYulia: How does your eth1 stanza in /etc/network/interfaces look?
18:21.03Yuliahmakholm: stanza?
18:21.29robertbbsamuel: So it's possible to enable/disable a second screen on-the-fly and not lose any open applications?
18:21.33tarzeau<PROTECTED>
18:21.40m2Yulia: the bit that starts like 'iface eth1'
18:21.41hmakholmYulia: Sorry, that's jargon. Just thought of a better option: Run 'ifup -v eth1' and paste the error message.
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18:22.16Goran_does debian installer run on 2.6.x kernel?
18:22.20Yuliahere it is: http://pastebin.com/355408
18:22.24samuelrobertbb, yes, but i think you need to start a seperate xserver
18:22.44robertbbsamuel: Use xnest?
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18:22.50m2Goran_: press <f1> when the boot screen comes up, somewhere there "linux26" is documented
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18:23.04Yuliahmakholm: doing ifup -v after have done it before, it says this:portatil:~# ifup -v eth1
18:23.04Yuliaifup: interface eth1 already configured
18:23.13samuelrobertbb, lemme look at my bookmarks...
18:23.25robertbbsamuel: Great.. thanks :-)
18:23.32DiegoSomebody wants to speak with me?
18:23.34hmakholmYulia: That sounds like you should be up and running. Do you have net access?
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18:23.54WhiteRabbitsamuel, example startx -- :1 -depth 8
18:23.58Yuliahmakholm:i have point access. router here.
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18:24.07hmakholmDiego: This is a rather high-volume support channel. We prefer not to do too much social chat.
18:24.27Yuliahmakholm: if i do it with eth1 down, it says this:portatil:~# ifup -v eth1
18:24.28YuliaConfiguring interface eth1=eth1 (inet)
18:24.28Yuliawpa_supplicant -B -ieth1 -Dipw
18:24.28Yuliaioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Operation not supported
18:24.28Yuliarun-parts --verbose /etc/network/if-pre-up.d
18:24.28Yuliarun-parts: executing /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools
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18:24.40Yuliasorry...
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18:24.54Yuliamistake with URL
18:24.58Nosf3ratuMy mysql installation seems to no longer properly read my /var/lib/mysql directory.  I can log in to the mysql cli, but 'show databases' returns an empty set.  /var/lib/mysql, however, still has my databases. Thoughts?
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18:25.09WhiteRabbitYulia, this is rather a high-volume social channel. We prefer not to do too much tech chat.
18:25.10DiegoBy the way I do not obtain to go up the graphical interface of my system, I do not obtain to configure the interface archive
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18:25.20nullvoidhi all
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18:25.26hmakholmYulia: I'm not even sure what wpa_supplicant is supposed to do. But if you can access the net, there is no real problem, right (except the cosmetic problem of the error message)
18:25.43ChazDebian has a bootsplash right?
18:25.50mwilsonChaz: No.
18:26.04Chazhuh.
18:26.06takatumiDiego: do not obtain almost means you don't want to.
18:26.07Yuliahmakholm: i wanna say. i can access to net. My laptop can see the SSID only
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18:26.20samuelrobertbb, i read a few things on this, and tried it out, not with any luck... let me know if you have any luck plz! http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=357145
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18:26.49DiegoHow I can adjust my graphical part?
18:26.50nullvoidwhen I search for some website info using netcraft, most of the website have further information like Orgainzation Name, Contact Person and etc, and some of them none, from my understanding it must come from named.conf file, how can I add these new fields info?
18:27.00Yuliahmakholm: i cant acces to net. only see the SSID
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18:27.18mwilsonWhy must it come from named.conf?
18:27.22Yuliahmakholm: take a look here http://pastebin.com/355413
18:27.24nullvoidChaz: grub boorsplash?
18:27.28DiegoSomebody can help me?
18:27.43nullvoidDiego: google maybe help
18:28.06zavaboyis there a way i can keep debian from checking to see if the monitor is connected to the machine and continue to boot like normal? im using vnc to remotly access it, i have to physically unplug my monitor from my windows machine and blug it into my linux machine just to get it to boot without showing an error. can i disable it someway?
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18:28.31mwilsonWhy isn't it much more likely that it comes from the registration record for the domain, which has nothing to do with whether or not there's a running DNS for the domain?
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18:28.34hmakholmYulia: where did you get that /etc/network/interfaces from, anyway?
18:28.35Goran_i asked because my computer has serial ata disks, so does 2.6. in debian installer support them?
18:28.48duncf_zavaboy: what's checking for a monitor?
18:28.51robertbbsamuel: Can I find you on here if I have luck?
18:28.56rleighChaz: You could patch your kernel for the full graphical boot, or install grub-splashimages for GRUB menu images.
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18:29.02Yuliahmakholm: google :)
18:29.08robertbbI'm on the road right now, just got this laptop, won't be back in my home country for another 3 weeks..
18:29.08starfcommand for kernel info?
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18:29.27samuelrobertbb, yes, thanks!
18:29.28robertbbsamuel, If you like, I can email you with any success/progress
18:29.30zavaboyah, i cant remember what it said... hold on and ill see if i can get it again
18:29.31hmakholmYulia: Ah. It seems to be tailored to some precise setup of the access point.
18:29.34starfplease
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18:29.43robertbbOK.. I'll let you know on here :-) Thanks for the help.
18:29.56nullvoidzavaboy: I don't think so, check your bios, my pc is running without monitor
18:29.58Yuliahmakholm: sorry?, to tell where router is?
18:29.59hmakholmYulia: .. which you probably don't have. Try commenting all of it out and just put a simple 'iface eth1 dhcp' line instead.
18:30.08starfwhat is the command for finding out kernel version please?
18:30.10starfnot from irc
18:30.19jdhutchin1uname -r
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18:30.25Yuliahmakholm: my router does not runs dhcp
18:30.26starfname! thankjs
18:30.29nullvoidstarf: uname -r
18:30.30starfwas doing umopde
18:30.31step_haneif ipchains fails to load (sorry don't know the specific error) could that stop all incoming traffic? I can't seem to get any unrefused outside connections
18:30.32nullvoidops
18:30.56zavaboynullvoid: its with the bootup of linux, not my machine
18:30.57nullvoidstep_hane: iptraf might be handy
18:31.01hmakholmYulia: So, have you manually adjusted the /e/n/interfaces parameters to your network setup?
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18:31.12nullvoidzavaboy: what the machine complain?
18:31.17Yuliahmakholm: i did.
18:31.22step_haneis that something I already have? should I type that at the command prompt?
18:31.26tax0nCan anyone help me with synaptic? Package installs from cd have been failing: 'User root does not exist....error exit status 255'.
18:31.31zavaboynullvoid: im checkin... brb
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18:31.51nullvoidstep_hane: if you installed, it will be there
18:31.57gioubuuname -a starf
18:31.59nullvoidstep_hane: what about netstat
18:32.09tax0nalso....'error processing dwww (--configure)'
18:32.10step_hanedamn... I think I'm hacked
18:32.18abrotmanstep_hane: did they leave a card?
18:32.28hmakholmYulia: My best guess is that the driver for your hardware simply does not support WPA. Otherwise I'm out of ideas. Sorry.
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18:33.13Yuliahmakholm: thx very much for all.
18:33.24starfwhat they doing with kernel naming in 2.6.12 sheesh
18:33.27hmakholmtax0n: It sounds like your system is _really_ fscked.
18:33.28starfon sid
18:33.30step_hanenope... found an irc server running on this system a few weeks ago... someone helped me set up tons of permissions and firewall stuff, but now my root pass isn't working
18:33.43hmakholmtax0n: Can you get a shell?
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18:34.15step_haneI built another box just in case so not that big of a deal
18:34.20tax0nhmakholm: yeah...got full gnome going.
18:34.34jdhutchin1step_hane, do you trust the person who helped you?
18:34.43step_haneyes for sure
18:34.43hmakholmtax0n: And you can get root by su in a shell window?
18:34.57starfi got 3 packages which are called linux-image-2.6-k7, linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7, and linux-image-k7.... all three are marked as version 2.6.12-5 in the dselect program
18:35.00thingfishaptitude remove apache2
18:35.03tax0nhmakholm: yes
18:35.27hmakholmtax0n: Does 'su root' have the same effect as just 'su'?
18:35.34starfyeah
18:35.53mwilsonstep_hane: And you didn't reinstall the box?  Why not?
18:35.53jdhutchin1!tell step_hane about i forgot root's password
18:36.13jdhutchin1although if you think your box was compromised, you should re-install it from scratch
18:36.19jdhutchin1because you never know what might have happened to it
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18:36.38tax0nhmakholm: yes...same effect. Also, synaptic is run as root
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18:37.02DiegoSomebody of Brazil here?
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18:37.23hmakholmtax0n: Did you by any chance spot which package it was that complained about root not existing?
18:37.39chazAlright, I think I'm almost there. If I can get into a working X environment at least, I won't bug you all with questions anymore... anyway. dpkg-reconfigure, so far as I can tell, writes NOTHING. It doesn't change the configuration, nor is there a new configuration in my home/root folder. Am I simply not looking in the right place or is there a problem?
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18:38.02chaz(dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to be exact)
18:38.10tax0nhmakholm: it happened a couple of time yesterday offline, but today it was 'xsysinfo'
18:38.31starfok i am having issues with the 2.6.12 kernel
18:38.35hmakholmtax0n: But it did install OK?
18:38.37zavaboynullvoid: when i boot a y/n dialog shows up saying "I cannot start X server (your graphical interface). Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?"
18:38.45step_hanethe reason I didn't reinstall is that the server is used constantly so instead of reinstalling I decided to build a new box (we needed more ram capabilities anyway)
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18:38.49starfcan anyone help me
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18:39.01abrotmanstarf: you must tell us what issues you're having
18:39.03dvschaz: /etc/X11
18:39.07chazstarf: With more information bout what kind of issues, I'm certain someone can.
18:39.11starfi need to have the image, headers and source for 2.6.12-5 (k7 version)
18:39.14Diegokernel and good?
18:39.16starfabrotman, i did earlier
18:39.25abrotmanchaz: /msg dpkg xmd5
18:39.28chazdvs: Its not there. First, the existing config hadn't been changed and I didn't notice a new file so I moved the existing config and tried again. Still no new file.
18:39.37starfbut there are like 3 different packages that are all listed as the same version
18:39.45dvschaz: Listen to abrotman
18:39.49starfwhats going on with the naming convention on sid for 2.6.12 kernel
18:39.50tax0nhmakholm: yeah...it's installed okay, actually. Just checked.
18:39.57abrotmanstarf: that's ok ...
18:40.11abrotmanstarf: one is a meta package .. look in /boot/ for kernels that are actually installed
18:40.23tax0nhmakholm: still...don't like error messages.
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18:40.30DiegoI am dedicating to 7 minutes ded now interviews if somebody to want.
18:40.31starfi need headers and source for it so i can compile drivers
18:40.31Diego....
18:40.34abrotman(of course .. if you don't install via dpkg with kernels .. they won't show up in dpkg -l .. but will still be in /boot/)
18:40.45hmakholmtax0n: Hm... does 'apt-get check' report any problems.
18:40.51hmakholms/\./?/
18:40.54mwilsonchaz: So the message it gave you about the MD5's not matching... and the comments in the top of the original file regarding what to do... they just don't matter?
18:41.07zavaboywhen i boot my debian i get "I cannot start X server (your graphical interface). Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?" when my monitor isnt plugged into my machine. how can i disable that?
18:41.21DiegoHow I arrive in Brazil?
18:41.26abrotman!br
18:41.26dpkgPor favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:41.45duncfzavaboy: does it prevent you from booting?
18:41.46hmakholmzavaboy: Why do you want to run an X server on a machine without a display in the first place?
18:41.50zavaboyyes
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18:42.02zavaboyvnc
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18:42.13mwilsonHe thinks he needs one for VNC, for some reason.
18:42.24mwilsonVNC doesn't need it, but he thinks it does.
18:42.25zavaboyi dont?
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18:42.33chazmwilson: I hand-made one from scratch because the original was a corrupted pile of gibberish. I'd be glad to send it to you if you like, there are no comments... at least none concernable... because there are no actual ascii characters.
18:42.34DiegoYou have preconception against Brazilians?
18:42.34duncfzavaboy: ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't get you a login?
18:42.49g0rd0nhello! is there a "zend optimizer" package (php) for sarge? couldn't find any...
18:42.56chazmwilson: As for the message, I don't recall seeing one.
18:43.10duncfmwilson: how bout just telling him he doesn't, rather than telling everyone else he doesn't?
18:43.19tax0nhmalkholm: no...it's all okay. I just checked dwww...it's a info to html cgi script for reading info files in a browser...I think it has something to do with the problem
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18:43.32starfabrotman, in dselect there are 3 linux-image files installed but none of them are whats listed in /boot/
18:43.41hmakholmtax0n: That sounds unlikely to me.
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18:44.07tax0nhmakholm: I installed it the other day...I will try uninstalling it later.
18:44.21zavaboyduncf: yes
18:44.27hmakholmtax0n: Is it correctly installed now, according to "dpkg -s dwww"?
18:44.33tax0nhmakholm: maybe installation of info/man pages for the package is being interfered with?
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18:45.13hmakholmtax0n: Hm. Could be. Anything in the BTS?
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18:45.33duncfzavaboy: yes as in... (i shouldn't ask questions in the negative like that...)
18:45.57zavaboyduncf: yes as in it does give a login
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18:46.28hmakholmzavaboy: This it has booted.
18:46.35yacyacwhats the amd64 channel
18:46.42hoffmanwhen compiling and running java application with emacs it all works just fine except the message exited abnormally with code 129, how do i get rid of this message?
18:46.49yacyacdebian amd64 channel i dont rememeber the channel name
18:46.54tax0nhmakholm: install okay, half configured. It is working 'out the box' at the moment but maybe I need to see what it wants configured
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18:47.09tax0nhmakholm: what's BTS?
18:47.17dvs!bts
18:47.17dpkgbts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/
18:47.18zavaboyhmakholm: yes, but no gui
18:47.20whitehorse1|brbyacyac: dunno, could try try /list on the freenode server if all else fail though
18:47.31mayormccheesealright so I did a apt-get install ircd-hybrid and I try to run it and it says not to do so as root.  So I exit and I can't run it at all
18:47.34hmakholmtax0n: Try: dpkg --configure dwww
18:47.53hmakholmzavaboy: If you have no monitor attached you don't need a gui running anyway.
18:48.22hmakholmtax0n: BTS is the Debian Bug Tracking System. (Just checked the entries for dwww; nothing that looked relevant).
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18:48.35tax0nhmakholm: aha....same error message as synaptic console gives me.
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18:48.51zavaboyhmakholm: would i be able to see a gui when connected via vnc?
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18:49.01hmakholmtax0n: Good. Paste.
18:49.22hmakholmzavaboy: Dunno. Not knowledgeable about vnc. Why not just X?
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18:49.34tax0nhmakholm: Setting up dwww (1.9.21) ...
18:49.34tax0nUser root does not exist
18:49.34tax0ndpkg: error processing dwww (--configure):
18:49.34tax0n<PROTECTED>
18:49.34tax0nErrors were encountered while processing:
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18:49.46d0nk`heh
18:49.48abrotmanstarf: they should be .. unless you deleted them
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18:50.36zavaboyhmakholm: i just want to be able to access it with a gui from my windows comp without getting a kvm switch
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18:50.46tax0nhmakholm: okay...paste is in #flood
18:51.16starfthey arent :)
18:51.40DiegoNo, no.
18:51.44hmakholmtax0n: Got that. Please stand by while I poke around.
18:51.47DiegoIsso, isso Chaves, Chaves,
18:51.57tax0nhmakholm: thanks!
18:52.01DiegoUma histrorinha bem legal para se ver,
18:52.11Diegoisso, isso chaves...
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18:53.53hmakholmtax0n: By the way: which architecture are you running? i386?
18:54.21tax0nhmakholm: yep...think it's a celeron, on thinkpad
18:54.55DiegoIsso, Isso Chaves, Chaves.
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18:56.24DiegoFuração Catrina passou mesmo?
18:56.41hmakholmCould somebody kick Diego, please?
18:56.43m2Diego: take politics elsewhere, pleae.
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18:56.49Diegook
18:58.03hmakholmtax0n: What does the following command print: perl -le 'print join(":",getpwnam("root"))'
18:58.23duncfzavaboy: you should be able to
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18:59.01peterShmakholm: shouldn't be all that different from 'getent passwd root' which is a bit easier to type
18:59.17DiegoBye
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18:59.22zavaboyduncf: how would i do that? im new to linux and dont know much about terminal commands... heh.....
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18:59.45hmakholmpeterS: We established that he could do 'su root', but somehow the dwww postinst (which uses perl) cannot .... ARGH!
18:59.49duncfzavaboy: i dont really know much about vnc
19:00.37zavaboyduncf: i dont need vnc if theres better free alternative
19:00.40hmakholmtax0n: Got it. Root has UID 0, so perl does not distinguish between that and a non-existing value.
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19:01.05mwilsonHow is VNC not free?
19:01.27peterSI don't think he said vnc isn't free
19:01.35tax0nhmakholm: what does that have to do with the hash of root's password?
19:01.37zavaboymwilson: did i say it wasnt?
19:01.54johnWhat's a decent file manager? if you fine people don't mind giving your opinions on that
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19:02.07OctalTHORjohn: Bash
19:02.08peterSI think he is distinguishing 'better free alternative' from 'better but non-free alternative', such as the solution Microsoft ships
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19:02.15Diego<PROTECTED>
19:02.16Diegom2 Diego: take politics elsewhere, pleae.
19:02.17johnOctalTHOR: GUI, perhaps?
19:02.19john:p
19:02.19hmakholmtax0n: Nothing. It is (arguably) a bug in the dwww packaging, but you _really_ should not configure it to run CGI scripts as root. Do dpkg-reconfigure dwww and select another user.
19:02.31OctalTHORjohn: Bash+xterm? :D
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19:02.59peterS!ops lastlog diego please, +b requested
19:03.01dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: lastlog diego please, +b requested
19:03.15helixdiego's gone
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19:03.26mentorDamnit.
19:03.31mentorI was going to kick him
19:03.32peterShelix: that's why I asked for +b not kick+ban
19:03.33mentorHe asked for it
19:03.48ke6isfmentor: Not too late to +b, you know.
19:03.52hmakholmtax0n
19:03.54mentorno.
19:03.57mentorI'm reading up
19:03.59OctalTHORjohn :Gnome ships with 'nautilus', that's the only one I've had (brief) experience with.
19:04.08hmakholmtax0n: After that you should be able to configure it without trouble
19:04.36tax0nhmakholm: hi...still here, thanks. I think it installed as root cause I run synaptic as root.
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19:04.47johnYes thank you, I'm not big on Nautilus though. Thanks ;p
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19:04.52hmakholmtax0n: It really ought not to do that.
19:04.58kingsley_Who decides what the criteria are for banning someone from #debian?
19:05.07peterSkingsley_: the #debian ops
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19:05.35kingsley_peterS: Thanks. Who are the #debian ops?
19:05.47hmakholmtax0n: You _cannot_ install stuff without being root, but that stuff should not default to do things as root that can be done as non-root.
19:05.47tax0nhmakholm: why d'you think UID ) trips up the perl script?
19:05.48peterSkingsley_: /msg chanserv access #debian list
19:06.01OctalTHOR!tell kingsley_ about ops
19:06.06hmakholmtax0n: I grepped through the source for the error message.
19:06.16peterSOctalTHOR: that doesn't do what you think it does
19:06.28hmakholmtax0n: And I know perl :0
19:06.29OctalTHORpeterS: It doesn't tell him how to use !ops to report a problem?
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19:06.32pobgHey, i need some help with this please: I installed a few time ago debian on a machine multi-boot with windows. now, i removed the hard drive containing windows and i wish to boot which is impossible since my bios was booting over it's mbr. So i start debian with the install cd, create a /mnt/hd and mkdir into it. then, i do a grub-install /dev/hda and i get this answer: "The file: /boot/grub/stage1 was not read correclty" I was us
19:06.32pobglilo, which wouldn't have bothered me with such a thing... Any idea please ?
19:06.36starfok when compiling drivers i getting hte following: makefile:530: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-k7/arch/i386/Makefile: Too many levels of symbolic links
19:06.37peterSOctalTHOR: it does but it doesn't answer his question
19:06.38starfwhats it mean?
19:06.46ke6isfOctalTHOR: It does, but it doesn't tell him who are ops - that's what he wants to know.
19:06.48OctalTHORpeterS: I never made any claims about my usefulness. ;)
19:07.06peterSOctalTHOR: if you're not going to be useful, don't *be*
19:07.11OctalTHORSadness.
19:07.15dvspobg: I think you have to change the /etc/fstab file too
19:07.25tax0nhmakholm: so do you think that dwww has a hook into apt somewhere?
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19:07.43pobghumm
19:07.48pobgmaybe...
19:07.52hmakholmtax0n: No, no, no. Apt is the middle-level tool that synaptic uses to install packages (such as dwww).
19:07.56pobgthanks dvs, gonna look at this
19:08.07ExoOdus#lineage2
19:08.24hmakholmtax0n: WHen I try to install dwww from scratch, it suggests the user 'www-data' as the default answer for where you had 'root'.
19:08.27tax0nhmakholm: how is dwww's error messages turning up in the synaptic console?
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19:09.00pobgdvs: you were right but this didn't fix the issue
19:09.21pobghe = the
19:09.28tax0nhmakholm: ah...right, I remember it asking that. I wasn't sure if I had to create a new user and group and might have put root. I'll see if I have a www-data user...
19:09.28starfchange ot tp grub
19:09.29hmakholmtax0n: The synaptic console displays error messages from the setup scripts of all packages it tries to install. This is normal and by design.
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19:10.01hmakholmtax0n: I will file a bug report noting the strange behavior.
19:10.04starfta
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19:10.30hmakholmtax0n: But remember for another time that running pretty much anything as root when it does not desperately *have* to run as root is Wrong.
19:10.35ke6isfs/keyset/column
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19:10.53tax0nhmakholm: thanks...good to see the open source process at work :-)
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19:11.11tax0nhmakholm: what do you think of Bastille as a hardening tool?
19:11.17jnctakatumi: okay, kernel 2.6.12 helped 'fglrx' compile :/
19:11.22jnctakatumi: that was unexpected.
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19:11.31whitehorse1|brbIs anyone here familiar with Debian Etch (testing dist.) and any problems with the immediate last netinst image and the current one that might exist, in relation to router-attached the eth0 card? I burnt the last but one CD image to a CD-ROM, installed and when it came to apt-get the rest, post-install; there was nada connection. The BTS didn't seem to have anything covering it
19:11.40phrontist[away]I'm terribly confused. I installed blackbox with apt-get, but I can't seem to figure out how to execute blackbox instead of (ugh) gnome
19:11.45jnctakatumi: and not entirely needed as it adds more problems to my growing list ;)
19:11.51phrontist[away]I have no .xsession file in my home dir
19:11.53dvswhitehorse1|brb: I wouldn't use the testing installer
19:12.03mwilsonphrontist[away]: So why don't you create one?
19:12.16OctalTHORmwilson : If he's using gdm that won't help immediately.
19:12.19markos_is it worth it/are there any problems compiling the kernel with gcc4?
19:12.21phrontist[away]what should it containt? "blackbox &"
19:12.28tax0nhmakholm: Or, how do you navigate through the dependency soup of big gui applications making sure the user they're run as has permissions the read, execute and write the various files it touches?
19:12.29OctalTHORphrontist[away] : Nooo. exec blackbox
19:12.38OctalTHORphrontist : But, as I said, that won't help right away.
19:12.48abrotmanexec /usr/bin/blackbox probably
19:12.53mwilsonOctalTHOR: Oh?  When did gdm stop shipping a session file that honored ~/.xsession?  I've not bothered with gdm for ages.
19:12.59OctalTHORphrontist : Are you using GDM? (As opposed to KDM or XDM?)
19:13.02tryingtohelpexec blackbox should suffice
19:13.08OctalTHORmwilson : A long time ago? I've had to make my own that used .xsession forever.
19:13.11mwilsonOctalTHOR: You always used to be able to select such a session from the list.
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19:13.21mwilsonOctalTHOR: I believe it was called "Default".
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19:13.30phrontistOctalTHOR: I've just installed the latest stable release, so I assume XDM
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19:13.45OctalTHORmwilson : I believe "Default" launches x-window-manager with gnome-session..
19:13.46mwilsonphrontist: Why wouldn't you look?
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19:13.58pobgHey, i need some help with this please: I installed a few time ago debian on a machine multi-boot with windows. now, i removed the hard drive containing windows and i wish to boot which is impossible since my bios was booting over it's mbr. So i start debian with the install cd, create a /mnt/hd and mkdir into it. then, i do a grub-install /dev/hda and i get this answer: "The file: /boot/grub/stage1 was not read correclty"  Any ide
19:13.59mwilsonOctalTHOR: I know it doesn't do that.
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19:14.15OctalTHORYou probably know better than I do.
19:14.18setog3mplayer say to me put in your init scrip echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq  , but in wich script must I put this ?
19:14.18mwilsonOctalTHOR: Even for Gnome, that'd be worthless.
19:14.21whitehorse1|brbdvs: Sadly, I can't use Sarge. I spent 14hrs trying to get it working properly and at the right screen res etc., with er help here from gravity, antgel1, schreuber... the eventual result was the install was brought to its kness requiring reinstall. Since sarge and it's xfree86 version as was didnt support my card, nor would x.org's backport  install since it insisted on refusing to install the deps it required and the ported ati driver just
19:14.25phrontistmwilson: I'm afraid I don't know how to look, just check the process list?
19:14.29tryingtohelpphrotontist: how does it look? does it have any menus or simply a swirl and a login and password field?
19:14.41phrontist(incedentally, adding "exec blackbox" to my .Xsession did the trick)
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19:14.54dvswhitehorse1|brb: Wouldn't support what card?
19:14.58EnsignRedshirtHello, world.
19:15.14dvswhitehorse1: your video card?
19:15.26whitehorse1yes
19:15.50dvswhitehorse1: I'd still use the stable installer then edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing.
19:15.59whitehorse1dvs: Ati Radeon 9600Pro. Believe me, :-) I did try to follow all the possibilities in the ATI meesage sent to me on this channel, each person had an alternate suggestion. (well, not literally but close enough) :)
19:16.02tax0nhmakholm: thanks for the help!
19:16.05mwilsonOctalTHOR: You use it, right?  What about gdm is so broken that it needs gksu?
19:16.07EnsignRedshirtIs there a way to find out all the packages that I have installed or upgraded in the last month?
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19:16.27OctalTHORmwilson : Sorry, where did gksu come into the mix?
19:16.32EnsignRedshirtSomething broke my network printing, and I'm trying to track down what happened.
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19:16.52mwilsonOctalTHOR: I looked at its entry on p.d.o to see what was in the deb and the changelog... and it deps on gksu.
19:17.04whitehorse1dvs: will sarge install newer versions, from testing tho? granted i'm new but I thought most packages would have dependencies insisting upon versions of packages that preceded those in the testing dist?
19:17.04abrotmanEnsignRedshirt: do you regularly apt-get clean ?
19:17.13EnsignRedshirtabrotman: No.
19:17.16OctalTHORmwilson : I think its configuration manager uses gksu.
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19:17.31abrotmanEnsignRedshirt: check /var/cache/apt/archives/ for dates .. maybe ?
19:17.43OctalTHORHeh.
19:18.08OctalTHORWhat do you use?
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19:18.30filipzhey
19:18.45dvswhitehorse1: If you change your sources.list file after the install, it will then take packages from testing
19:18.47filipzanyone is on Miami?  where can i find a store where to buy a orinoco 8470-wd wifi card?
19:18.54cahootEnsignRedshirt: IIRC later versions of dpkg keeps a log
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19:19.11OctalTHORfilipz : Heh, not really a question about Debian, is it? Try calling up local electronics stores, or just use froogle and buy it off the internet.
19:19.56mwilsonOctalTHOR: Hm, you're right, it doesn't look like it includes that session any longer.  Pity.
19:20.18OctalTHORphrontist : ntpdate isn't part of ntp.
19:20.21zirikiliis there any configuration file where do I select to use X or Gnome configuration for keyboard?
19:20.27asgphrontist: apt-get install ntpdate
19:20.30resiakmwilson: What is wrong with gksu ?
19:20.36filipzOctalTHOR, heh.. .well i cannot buy via internet (no american credit card)...    its a friend who is there, cannot really tel him to take the phone and begin to call.. :-p
19:20.36whitehorse1dvs: okay, I'll give that a go. quickest thing would be download a netinst iage for sarge right now y'think? then install and after reboot edit sources.list to shove the testing repository info in there?
19:20.36mwilsonphrontist: ntpdate has never been part of ntp.
19:20.39OctalTHORphrontist : Also, it's kind of opaque, you have to provide ntpdate a server on the command line.
19:21.00phrontistah okay
19:21.00OctalTHORfilipz : Bad situation, then. Either way, that's really not a question about Debian. :)
19:21.00Althaserhellow
19:21.06filipzheh..
19:21.11dvswhitehorse1: Yes.  You'll have to do an "apt-get update" after you edit the sources.list file
19:21.15filipzbut i?ll use the card on debian!...
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19:21.24whitehorse1dvs: *nod*
19:21.24OctalTHORfilipz ; So... after you get it, we'll help you install it. :D
19:21.27mwilsonfilipz: Why can't you tell him to start making calls?
19:21.35ke6isffilipz: Here's a thought.  Browse the 'net, give your friend a URL, have 'im buy it and ship it to you.
19:21.35markos_OctalTHOR: you want to change the default environment (session) when you login?
19:21.43tryingtohelpEnsignRedshirt: ls -la /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list is an eady hack to see which packages where touched when, though packages removed migh no longer shop up.
19:21.48OctalTHORmarkos_ : phrontist did.
19:21.58filipzke6isf, the only thing i could find is tigertdirect.com, wich doesnt have the card.. :-(
19:21.59OctalTHORmarkos_ : mwilson and I were discussing the session files that ship with gdm.
19:22.05nvzhmm.. I was going to ask a question, but I already answered it :)
19:22.08filipzmwilson, he is pretty busy..
19:22.09whitehorse1filipz: Or find an ebay store, many of them allow PayPal - I sure don't have a credit card and that works for me often for computer stuff :)
19:22.12OctalTHORfilipz : froogle.com ?
19:22.14ke6isffilipz: Rephrase, search on froogle, etc.
19:22.19markos_phrontist: there is an easy way to do that with update-alternatives
19:22.21filipzmwilson, hes already making me a favor .. :-)
19:22.27markos_phrontist: update-alternatives --display /usr/bin/x-session-manager
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19:22.32OctalTHORmarkos_ : A bit heavy-handed, though, what?
19:22.35ke6isffilipz: Semi important, where are you?
19:22.36nvzmy samba share wasnt writable because I didnt specifically put "writable = yes" in the config
19:22.42markos_to show you the default...
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19:22.48resiakmwilson: What is wrong with gksu ?
19:22.49abrotmani don't eat catfood
19:22.51filipzke6isf, Chile, southamerica
19:22.56markos_and update-alternatives --set /usr/bin/x-session-manager <your own manager>
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19:23.01markos_OctalTHOR: heavy handed?
19:23.07markos_OctalTHOR: it's quite easy to setup
19:23.17OctalTHORmarkos_ : Just supposing he's setting up a multi-user system, you wouldn't want to change the default behaviour because it's what you want.
19:23.18mwilsonmarkos_: Why in the world would you mess with alternatives?
19:23.49markos_OctalTHOR: that's a valid point, yes
19:23.50zirikiliwhere do I set keyboard configuration do use XF86Config or gnome options ?
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19:24.05markos_mwilson: because that's *exactly* why it's there for
19:24.06abrotman!KEYMAP
19:24.06dpkgTo change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data".  To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev
19:24.07EnsignRedshirtcahoot, tryingtohelp: Thanks.  Looks like some gimpprint stuff updated in May.  Doesn't tell me much.
19:24.18mwilsonmarkos_: Uh, no, that's exactly why it's NOT there.
19:24.19KrLoShi people
19:24.23ke6isffilipz: Looks like things aren't terribly restrictive to ship.  Like I sez, search Froogle, give your friend in Miami a bead on what to buy, and go from there.
19:24.32filipzok.
19:24.37ke6isffilipz: Don't know what duties taxes are down there, but be mindful of that when you have it shipped.
19:24.40markos_mwilson: but ok, if it's a multiuser system he'd have to change the .xsession
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19:25.20markos_mwilson: uhm, yes, and that's probably how it's going to be implemented in the installation so that the user selects kde/gnome/whatever
19:25.20KrLoSsome one knows how to contact ian Murdock?
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19:25.29dvsKrLoS: Progeny?
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19:25.39filipzke6isf, yeah taxes are too high..  thats why im getting it from a friend.. :-p
19:25.43KrLoSyea... but I cant fopund an email
19:25.44OctalTHORKrLoS : Pick up phone, dial 411?
19:25.47markos_mwilson: every window manager registers an alternative, it's only a matter of choosing the preferred one
19:25.49ke6isfKrLoS: ...why?
19:25.52OctalTHORfilipz : Tsk tsk.
19:25.53KrLoSI am from peru
19:25.59EnsignRedshirtMaybe I'll just try to get the thing working...  I can ping a network printer, and I used to be able to print to it, but now I am getting what appear to be time-out errors.
19:26.06OctalTHORKrLoS : Oh, what's 411 in Peru?
19:26.07mwilsonmarkos_: Un, no, not every window manager registers an alternative.
19:26.18filipztsk?
19:26.19KrLoSnothing
19:26.23ke6isffilipz: There's still crossing the border.  WHat's customs going to charge you when it arrives inside the borders?  It might be the same either way.
19:26.36EnsignRedshirtAny ideas where to begin tracking down the problem?
19:26.38mwilsonmarkos_: The alternatives system is a method to guarantee a certain set of required functionality... that's all.
19:26.40tryingtohelpEnsignRedshirt: printer queue one some other computer, or some networkable printer like some HP?
19:26.42nvzis samba pretty much all around the best method of sharing files between linux boxes? I got a synergy workstation of 3 debian boxes and I am working on making them as secure as possible and also making them all function as one computer. this includes things like sharing files
19:26.43KrLoSwe are planning a debian users meeting in peru
19:26.50abrotmannvz: define best :)
19:26.57OctalTHOR<PROTECTED>
19:26.59KrLoSand we want have ian murdock assistence
19:27.00markos_mwilson: most important ones do, kde, gnome, xfce, probably a few more that i miss
19:27.02asgnvz: shfs works well
19:27.04EnsignRedshirttryingtohelp: Network printer, actually a xerox.
19:27.07mwilsonmarkos_: So that you can, for example, call "x-terminal-emulator" and be guaranteed that you get a binary that supports "-e".  That's *all*.
19:27.09OctalTHORnvz: If you want something low-maintenance and low-overhead, you might be better off with NFS.
19:27.10filipzke6isf, i'll pay no shipment
19:27.16nvzasg: whats an shfs?
19:27.21abrotman!shfs
19:27.21dpkgshfs is probably http://shfs.sourceforge.net/  "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc.
19:27.21resiaknvz: Synergy is _awesome_, isn't it?
19:27.23KrLoSbecause of it... some people can pays him travel
19:27.23asgKrLoS: planet.debian.org (find his blog, get his contact info)
19:27.24OctalTHORnvz: If you want something industrial strength, something like AFS is better.
19:27.25asgnvz: ssh fs
19:27.38nvzOctalTHOR: i've heard bad things about NFS especially about security or lack thereof
19:27.39mwilsonWhen did Gnome, KDE, and XFCE (a) become window managers, (b) register with the x-window-manager alternative?
19:27.41tryingtohelpEnsignRedshirt: do not know about xerox, but some have quite a shitty implementation of the printserver, have you tried resetting the printer?
19:27.43markos_mwilson: in any case that's probably the approach that will be used to choose an default environment in later versions
19:27.46OctalTHORnvz: Yeah, NFS is Not Fscking Secure.
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19:27.51KrLoSbut we but they want to know if it is possible... if he can to peru
19:27.52OctalTHORnvz: But it's easier to set up than pie is to eat.
19:27.54markos_mwilson: x-session-manager
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19:28.05KrLoStanks
19:28.21ke6isfKrLoS: Well, you gotta ask Ian.
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19:28.37nvznow granted one of the workstations is a network bridge that I will be also putting a transparent firewall on.. so I should be able to secure most things that way.. but also I am trying various tunneling methods for the synergy connection.. so I can likely tunnel anything else the same way
19:28.52KrLoSyea.. I gonna see planet.debian.org
19:28.52EnsignRedshirttryingtohelp: I'll try resetting it.  Can't hurt, I guess.
19:29.05asgnvz: tunnel synergy over ssh, it's the only reasonable way.
19:29.17whitehorse1anyone know where the debian.org website has hidden the repository list[s] (ie to put in a sources.list file) for their testing dist? been looking for several mins :)
19:29.24kingsley_How are #debian's ops chosen?
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19:29.39asgkingsley_: ElectricElf decides
19:29.50asgwhitehorse1: /msg dpkg mirrors, /msg dpkg testing
19:29.53tryingtohelpEnsignRedshirt: if that changed it one can try to tell the programs to do less with that printer, like only sending one job at a time, not ask for job listings on the printer itself or things like that. The HP series are easily knocked off when they get such requests.
19:30.00nvzasg: I am looking at it. I am trying to make this like one big computer though, so there has to be a reletively simple way that when I login to the synergy server all clients start up their X server and establish their connections
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19:30.31whitehorse1asg ty
19:30.36OctalTHORnvz: you should be able to automate a connection like that, especially if you use key authentication with ssh.
19:30.38asgnvz: I usually run 'synergyc -d FATAL localhost' on all clients and have the server setup reverse tunnels when it comes online.
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19:31.09asgnvz: if they are all x86, you can get really fancy and use openmosix patches.
19:31.16nvzasg: hmm sounds clever though I dont understand it yet
19:31.35OctalTHORnvz: Openmosix is neat. Automatic process migration and peer discover.
19:31.45filipzi cannot tell froggle to search stores in miami , can i?..
19:31.46nvzasg: yeah they are all x86 Athlon XP, PIII, and PI
19:31.57whitehorse1asg: won;t let me use those commands :/ [20:31] *** :niven.freenode.net 505 whitehorse1 prvate messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems
19:32.02nico8481well... not really a debian question but well...
19:32.03nico8481question for native english speakers: what's the correct way to say that I'd like to speak better english? Is "I'd like to improve my English skills" OK? Do I need to include the word "language" somewhere? :)
19:32.04asgfilipz: just google for compusa or bestbuy. Find a store in miami.
19:32.07OctalTHORfilipz : No, we were recommending froogle to find it and give your friend a URL to order from.
19:32.10nvzI have no idea what openmosix is either but I will look into it
19:32.20OctalTHORasg: He's searching for a specific product from a store in Miami. :$
19:32.21asgwhitehorse1: then register yourself. /msg nickserv help
19:32.33OctalTHORnico8481 : You could just say "Improve my English."
19:32.44nico8481OctalTHOR, thx
19:32.50filipzok
19:32.50nvzyou mean google local, as in local.google.com
19:32.51ke6isfnico8481: Strictly speaking, no, you don't need to include 'language'.  That sentence is pretty good, actually.
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19:32.54asgOctalTHOR: if bestbuy or compusa don't have what he wants, he's likely not going to find a place that has the product at this time on Labor Day.
19:33.03nvzthen you put in your zipcode with your google search and it does just that
19:33.09filipzdamn.. compusa.com doesnt have the card. :-(
19:33.24OctalTHORasg : C'est vrai. I don't think he's looking for it necessarily today, though, I think he's just wanting it not shipped to Miami.
19:33.29whitehorse1nico8481: The usual way is simply "I'd like to improve my English". I don't know if that's *grammatically* correct, but it's undoubtedly what's usually used.
19:33.33asgOctalTHOR: ah, okay.
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19:34.01OctalTHORwhitehorse1 : I have no doubt that it's incorrect. ;)
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19:34.34whitehorse1anyone know where the debian.org website has hidden the repository list[s] (ie to put in a sources.list file) for their testing dist? been looking for several mins :) Note: I can't use msg commands on this channel as I'm unregistered and it seems like overkill to register *just* to find this info
19:34.39phrontisttrying to install the Perl Tk Module has led to complaints for lack of "X include files" how might I get these?
19:34.52OctalTHORwhitehorse1: Dude, it's one command to register.
19:34.57whitehorse1OctalThor: You big didacticist you ;)
19:34.59OctalTHORwhitehorse1: /msg nickserv register <somepassword>
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19:35.04KrLoSI hope Ian Could come to peru
19:35.06nvzwhitehorse1: why not use apt-setup
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19:35.18nvzwhitehorse1: it contains lists and writes the file for you
19:35.23nico8481ok thx all :) one more (should be the last one :p ): do you settle IN a town or INTO it?
19:35.31whitehorse1okay.
19:35.32OctalTHORnico8481 : Both.
19:35.41OctalTHORnico8481 : But they are slightly different.
19:35.48OctalTHORnico8481 : Settling into the town is more emphasis on the town.
19:35.48phrontistare the X include files in a package?
19:35.54KrLoSthanks a lot
19:35.57OctalTHORnico8481 : Settling in a town is more emphases on the settling; the town is just where it happens.
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19:36.01OctalTHORnico8481 : Does that make sense?
19:36.06tryingtohelpphrontist: xlibs-dev is and old transitional package, but should pull in all different newer packages for it.
19:36.07nico8481yup, thanks
19:36.14OctalTHOR*emphasis, even. :P
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19:36.24ke6isf!OctalTHOR++
19:36.24steelhoofIAPF !!
19:36.45OctalTHORke6isf : Heh, thanks.
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19:38.31ke6isfmwilson: What is this, Soviet Russia? +^_^=
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19:39.16EnsignRedshirttryingtohelp: I reset the printer (and, for good measure, restarted cups).  My computer thinks the printer is still "not ready", but I can ping it, and the printer's web interface says it is ready.
19:39.27kingsley_What's a good way to diagnose why, after upgrading several packages and the kernel, audacity hangs while recording?
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19:39.39OctalTHORkingsley_ : strace ?
19:39.44dvsEnsignRedshirt: Sounds like cups is misconfigured
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19:40.36asgkingsley_: try downgrading the kernel first
19:41.12cahootkingsley_: dmesg gives nothing?
19:41.15kingsley_OctalTHOR: Yes, I have strace's output, but it's big and nothing jumps out at me. Do you happen to know a string within it to search for?
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19:41.30steelhoofadmin time
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19:41.48OctalTHORkingsley_ : No, sorry. If it's an infinite loop that should be reflected by strace.. I don't know what else might be the problem.
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19:41.57acuraxhmm
19:42.06acuraxhow do i start webmin mate?
19:42.12tryingtohelpEnsignRedshirt: does it say "not ready" or stopped, can it be restarted over the cups admin site?
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19:42.28OctalTHORacurax : Webmin just kind of is, isn't it? It's PHP stuff, I thought.
19:42.31EnsignRedshirttryingtohelp: I've seen both "not ready" and "stopped".
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19:42.57mwilson!webmin
19:42.57dpkgwebmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on.  Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server."
19:43.00kingsley_cahoot: dmesg reports quite a few unknown symbols that begin with snd_
19:43.17OctalTHORkingsley_ : Ah, unknown symbols bad.
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19:43.26OctalTHORkingsley_ : Something got left out of your kernel.
19:43.39OctalTHORkingsley_ : Or you didn't copy the bzimage and reboot and the appropriate times.
19:43.40kingsley_cahoot: But no new lines are added to dmesg after running audacity and it can play a .wav file fine.
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19:44.36cahootkingsley_: I'd personally try to record using ecasound from commandline
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19:45.47kingsley_cahoot: Do you happen to know the syntax?
19:45.49btwotchhow can I change my charmap
19:45.59btwotchbtwotch: but, with a debian-tool
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19:46.41cahootkingsley_: like this: ecasound -c -b:4096 -i alsa,hw:0,0 -ea:700 -o test.wav
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19:47.08tryingtohelpEnsignRedshirt: sorry, I'm not very firm with cups as I dislike it windows like behaviour where I cannot do anything. I guess you already try to tell your computer to start or activate (or however it is currently called) the printer again?
19:47.19cahootkingsley_: what I use for rec from line in
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19:47.39kingsley_cahoot: OK, thanks. It reports: ERROR: [ECA-CHAINSETUP] : "Format of input alsa not recognized."
19:47.41Konkyhi
19:47.49Konkyi try to get php4-mcrypt working in a debian-sarge distro
19:48.04Konkybut it's not found by php, the php4-mcrypt and php4-mhash packagesare both installed
19:48.13ke6isf!enter Konky
19:48.17ke6isfdang, forgot
19:48.18ke6isf!enter
19:48.18dpkgThe enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or  ellipsis '...' instead.  Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).
19:48.28Konkyhehe;)
19:48.36Konkywell it helps people having an easier read
19:48.56Konkysometimes at least
19:49.08ke6isfKonky: It's actually easier to put it all on one line; this prevents interleaving during peak times, and is just a good habit to stay in to prevent scroll shock.
19:49.10cahootkingsley_: try just this: ecasound  -i alsa,hw:0,0  -o test.wav
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19:49.26dvske6isf: like a net split
19:49.35Konkyaight
19:49.35ke6isfdvs: Yes, that too.
19:49.51Konkywell, does anyone know how to get php4 mcrypt running in debian ?
19:50.04kingsley_cahoot: It reports the same error.
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19:50.21kingsley_cahoot: What version of the kernel are you using?
19:50.29Konkyi get
19:50.29KonkyFatal error: Call to undefined function: mcrypt_get_iv_size() in /root/test.php on line 4
19:50.55cahootkingsley_: does ecasound  -i /dev/dsp  -o test.wav work - if it's your alsa that's not working
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19:51.09asgKonky: verify you have an 'extension=mcrypt.so' (or something similar) line in /etc/php4/*/php.ini. Make sure you restart apache
19:51.15Konkyi verified
19:51.23btwotchthis can't be true, that nobody knows how to set up a kezboard
19:51.25Konkyi try as cgi and in apache both fails
19:51.40EnsignRedshirttryingtohelp (or anyone else): I restarted cups.  I'm not sure what else to reset.  I just tried printing a test page (from the printer's "Properties" window), but the printer's queue window now says that the printer is stopped.
19:51.54kingsley_cahoot: It didn't report an error. How do I exit from it?
19:52.01cahootq
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19:52.26cahootkingsley_: q (and 2.6.13)
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19:52.39EnsignRedshirt...and the printer's Properties window says "Status: Paused: Remote host did not respond with command status byte after 300 seconds!"
19:52.39AnitaLbob2 looks like you are gone at the moment
19:52.42kingsley_cahoot: Pressing the "q" key echoed it to the screen, but didn't exit.
19:52.52kingsley_cahoot: How about ^c?
19:53.01cahootok
19:53.10tryingtohelpEnsignRedshirt: there is some overview over the printers, where an start and stop button for each printer is.
19:53.16AnitaLbob2: I solved the laptop 2.6 kernel battery monitor not showing problem
19:53.31dvs!beer AnitaL
19:53.43cahootkingsley_: q presumes it's given the -c option on commandline)
19:54.00kingsley_cahoot: ^c exited OK, but after all that time, ecasound only recorded 44 bytes.
19:54.01tryingtohelpEnsignPredshirt: try something like http://localhost:631 in a browser window on that computer, and then somewhere there...
19:54.13EnsignRedshirttryingtohelp: The printer is working to some extent, since I can print one of the documents that are in the printer's web page.
19:54.20rleighEnsignRedshirt: If you need more information to track down the problem, set LogLevel to debug in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, then run /etc/init.d/cupsys restart to restart cups.  After trying to print, examine /var/log/cups/error_log for clues.
19:54.21ke6isfdvs: Well, what's Maximum Ice?
19:54.27AnitaLbob2: first problem was no lm-sensors or i2c loaded.  I found on the lm-sensors site: to do sensors-detect
19:54.35dvske6isf: Damn good beer.  7.1% alc/vol
19:54.45ke6isfdvs: Comes in a 40 oz bottle?
19:54.47btwotchthis is ????
19:54.50btwotchciao
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19:55.00dvske6isf: Unfortunately, no
19:55.03AnitaLbob2: sensors-detect give you all the necessary modules and even writes them to /etc/modules.  Very good beer
19:55.18AnitaLbob2: however, that still didn't get it
19:55.20ke6isfdvs: I take it this isn't found in the same racks as the crappy malt liquors?
19:55.22AnitaL:-(
19:55.37dvske6isf: Nope.  Actually, I can't find it easily.
19:55.46EnsignRedshirttryingtohelp: said "...on that computer..."  It's a network printer; it isn't on a computer.
19:55.49ke6isfdvs: I'll go one up on you.  You into dark beers?
19:55.55EnsignRedshirtrleigh: I'll give it a shot.
19:56.00tryingtohelpEnsignRedshirt: the computer cups is running on
19:56.05dvske6isf: Does Rickard's Red count?
19:56.12kingsley_cahoot: "ecasound -c -i /dev/dsp  -o test.wav" and "st" report 'Engine status: "not ready"'.
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19:56.15AnitaLbob2: so I went to install a module for battery with gkrellm.  It notified me that apm module was not loaded.  What?  I exclaimed.  It said, shall I load at boot.  I said: sure
19:56.23ke6isfdvs: Not familiar, but...well, think "color of molasses".
19:56.34dvske6isf: Not that dark
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19:56.53EnsignRedshirttryingtohelp: I see. Will do.
19:56.57AnitaLbob2: and so it is that I now have a nice green battery on my laptop in sid using 2.6.  Just needed to know that it was possible.  Thanks
19:57.04ke6isfdvs: Anyway, there's this one that is pitched once per year on 09Dec somewhere in Europe and aged for nine months.  I can't remember the name of it for the life of me, but it clocks in at about 29 proof.
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19:57.10cahootkingsley_: looks like a fundamental problem with alsa/sound
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19:57.20dvske6isf: ouch!
19:57.30ke6isfdvs: And it's *gooood*.
19:57.33kingsley_cahoot: Thanks for your time and attention.
19:57.34AnitaLGuiness stout.  Had it in London sitting with some Scots
19:57.54AnitaLat a train station.  I didn't understand a word, but it was fun
19:57.55ke6isfdvs: Cost Plus, if you have one out that way, sells it.  It's also at some specialty shops.
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19:58.38ke6isfGuiness tastes like iron filings... =O.o=
19:58.47dvske6isf: agreed
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19:59.44steve_hey- when ever i try to ssh to something- it says no route to host
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20:00.01steve_any ip i type in- it returns  port 22: No route to host
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20:00.11steelhoofyou have a fubar nic
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20:00.19tarzeausteve_: you can access webpages?
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20:00.24tarzeausteve_: maybe you lost your route?
20:00.26steve_yeah
20:00.32steve_i can do ftp and web
20:00.34steelhoofsteve_ you have a fubar nic
20:00.36tarzeauantgel: hey ;)
20:00.40steve_i am at a university
20:00.46tarzeausteve_: what's the target hostname?
20:00.48steve_my nic is fubar'ed?
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20:01.00tarzeausteve_: i don't think so, but something's fubared
20:01.12PeterkenHello all, since the upgrade to sarge my php4 commandline mysql_query doesn't work anymore, has anyone any idea in what package that is located?
20:01.14dvssteve_: Can you do other things? (ftp, www)
20:01.20steelhoofwell ... no route means the path is gone... bad nic, bad dns
20:01.45steelhoofcheck your subnet and gateway
20:01.52kingsley_cahoot: You may be interested to know that "arecord /tmp/arecord.out" reports eight lines of errors also.
20:02.00ke6isfsteve_: What exactly are you typing?
20:02.08steve_here try to ssh to:149.137.209.51
20:02.13EnsignRedshirttryingtohelp: I went to localhost:631, then "Manage Printers", and I used that to "Restart" the printer... and now it works.  Thanks!
20:02.17steve_i type:
20:02.21cahootkingsley_: figures - and strengthens the suspicion
20:02.25steve_$ssh  port 22: No route to host
20:02.29steve_oops
20:02.36steve_i type:
20:02.40marcPeterken: any error message?
20:02.44steve_$ssh 149.137.209.51
20:02.45steelhoofit does not know port 22
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20:02.58Peterkenmarc: Fatal error: Call to undefined function:  mysql_connect()
20:02.59kingsley_cahoot: Do you happen to have any general advice for cleaning up a broken alsa installation?
20:03.00ke6isf!tell steve_ -about enter
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20:03.09ke6isfsteve_: And it returns exactly that error?
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20:03.14steelhoofyour firewall is closing port 22
20:03.31steve_would it be my university's firewall?
20:03.43cahootkingsley_: no but here is a good site overall about alsa: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html
20:03.45steve_steve@pm1700:~$ ssh 149.137.209.51
20:03.45steve_ssh: connect to host 149.137.209.51 port 22: No route to host
20:03.58steelhoofprobably, my best guess is p2p control
20:04.10kingsley_cahoot: I'll check it out.
20:04.21ke6isfsteve_: Somewhere, yeah, port 22 is not working.  Check your own firewall - it may be closed there.
20:04.21marcPeterken: have you php4-mysql installed?
20:04.21steve_even though the computer is in the same room?
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20:04.36cahootkingsley_: a last question - what card an kernel?
20:04.45dvshuh?
20:04.51steve_and gtkgnutella works just fine?
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20:04.52BollPeterken: what does a call to phpinfo(); yield?
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20:05.33steelhoofwhat is the other computer running? and is it "local" on your switch/hub?  if so isolate fron the outside net for a test
20:05.49Peterkena lot of data Boll :-)
20:05.52steelhoofthen report a result
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20:06.06Peterkenmz --without-mysql wtf
20:06.13kingsley_cahoot: ac97 via82cxxx integrated into the motherboard and 2.6.12-1-k7.
20:06.21steelhoofinteresting that p2p is working
20:06.30BollPeterken: you need to look for stuff related to mysql or install php4-mysql as marc suggested
20:06.44Peterkeni have those things installed
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20:06.51Peterkenit's about php4 commandline
20:06.53cahootkingsley_: ok - if at all possible - consider a soundblaster
20:06.54Peterkennot web
20:06.56asmodaiiihi
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20:07.04kingsley_cahoot: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base didn't fix it.
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20:07.41BollPeterken: presumably the same modules are used by php on the commandline, although admittedly I only ever used the apache module.
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20:09.00atom-zI'm currently using the ReiserFS filesystem. However, given things I have read, I have decided perhaps ext3 would be a better choice. How can I convert my partitions to ext3? (My current plan: Back up data to another partition, format partition, re-instate data)
20:09.28Gneaatom-z: you're on the correct path
20:09.31cahootkingsley_: those missing symbols in dmesg sounds ominous
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20:09.42atom-zbut there are a few details, like: If I format /boot, then re-copy the files, dont I have to do something with GRUB?
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20:10.04Gneaatom-z: no, you're reformatting partitions, not overwriting the mbr
20:10.06emRickhow do I "make" fonts that can be used by emacs and other apps in X11? I want to make some oversized fonts.
20:10.07Jason_LI installed apache from source and now when I try to install webmin (via aptitude) it tells me it wants to install the apache package as a dependency - how can I get webmin installed without letting it install apache over my version?
20:10.22atom-zAlso, I'de need some kind of boot-cd which would allow me to make modifications without having anything loaded
20:10.38atom-zGnea, but doesnt grub care if its ext3 or reiserfs?
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20:10.46GneaJason_L: equivs
20:11.06Gneaatom-z: probably, so just re-run the installation for grub
20:11.06asmodaiiiemRick: its really borring, good luck!
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20:11.19joefso3__Hello
20:11.20atom-zGnea, ok, so how would I do that?
20:11.23joefso3__Why would I choose debian over suse?
20:11.32dondelelcaro!tell joefso3__ -about why debian
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20:11.41asmodaiiijoefso3: because debian is better....
20:11.41robs0rGnea: so the mbr is not in the boot partition?
20:11.47emRickasmodaiii: could use give me some keywords that I can search for on google?
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20:11.50Gneaatom-z: well i did a apt-get install pinfo grub-doc and then: pinfo grub  and the installation tells it
20:11.54LightVisionjoefso3:  good question, which has an ever better answer :)
20:11.55rleighatom-z: If you are running a standard setup, run "update-grub" to rewrite the MBR.
20:12.03Gnearobs0r: that is correct.
20:12.12tryingtohelpemRick: what does oversized mean for fonts?
20:12.26atom-zOK.
20:12.39joefso3asmodaiii: and? :)
20:12.41Gnearobs0r: the mbr is only the first 512 bytes on any physical media
20:12.44LightVisiondondelelcaro:  how can I add programs to automatically load when debian starts?
20:12.48dondelelcarojoefso3__: in short 1) open development 2) debian policy 3) social contract; the rest of the advantages are just the products of 1-3
20:12.50asmodaiiiemRick: i dont remember what to do, sorry :(
20:12.57rleighGnea: If you change /boot, you need to reinstall the MBR to rebuild the blocklist required to load stage2 (or stage1.5).
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20:13.19LightVisiondondelelcaro:  and donr forget 4) the Debian community, and how great and helpful they are :)
20:13.20tryingtohelpLightVision: adding links into /etc/rc<number>.d or adding @reboot crontab entries
20:13.21dondelelcaroLightVision: add an init.d script (see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example) or by using the @reboot target of crontab, man 5 crontab
20:13.25atom-zso, If i convert /home, convert /boot from within my current installation, then convert / via a resue CD/Floppy. Would this work?
20:13.27Gnearleigh: the only reason to reinstall grub is if grub got upgraded
20:13.45emRicktryingtohelp: so big that I only get 20 characters across a 1600 display
20:13.48Gneaatom-z: yes
20:13.53paulswmThat sounds lilo-ish, grub reads filesystems
20:14.00joefso3dondelelcaro: but if you could sell debian and suse, what would you advise your customer? debian probaly. Why would she ask, and you would say?
20:14.02paulswmNo need to rewrite MBR
20:14.10Gneapaulswm: good point
20:14.14LightVisiondondelelcaro:  one of the main reasons I personally use Debian is the debian support and community
20:14.16tryingtohelpemRick: do the existing fonts so bad in that size that you want to make new ones?
20:14.31atom-zyeah, but grub would have to know if its ext3 or reiserfs
20:14.36dondelelcarojoefso3: well, first off we don't seell Debian, but since I am in Debian, and a DD, the answer is quite obvious that I would sell Debian.
20:14.41dondelelcaros/sell/use/
20:14.55joefso3dondelelcaro: awwesome man
20:14.56Gneaatom-z: as long as you backup and restore the files,, grub will just know
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20:15.03paulswmGnea: Unless grub is upgrsded, as you say
20:15.10rleighGnea: Usually, yes.  However, if /boot is altered, the physical location of stage2 will change and so stage1 will not be able to load it.  If /boot has been reformatted as the OP asked, this is essential.
20:15.21paulswmatom-z: If figures that out for itself
20:15.26atom-zrleigh, I was thinking along those lines
20:15.26paulswms/If/It/
20:15.55LightVisiontryingtohelp:  ok, is there an easier way to do that for newbies?
20:15.56atom-zI think the safest thing to do would be to re-write the MBR, will update-grub do that?
20:15.58Gnearleigh: that's why i generally don't create a separate /boot partition, but yes, in this case he will likely have to rewrite the mbr
20:16.03paulswmatom-z: Yes
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20:16.38LightVisiontryingtohelp:  how exactly does adding @reboot crontab entries work?  any example or websites that explain this that you know of please?
20:17.09GneaLightVision: just google it
20:17.16tryingtohelpLightVision: man crontab and man 5 crontab
20:17.38rleighLightVision: See crontab(5).  Just use @reboot in place of the usual 5 time specification fields.
20:17.46atom-zok, thanks
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20:18.11atom-zAlso, after changing a partition, what files have to be edited (apart from /etc/fstab)
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20:18.42randomityatom-z: nothing
20:18.42cohiba_hey- how do i change the port of sshd?
20:18.49emRicktryingtohelp: what you do mean when when you say, "do the existing fonts so bad in that size that you want to make new ones?". Do you mean that I can use the fonts at larger sizes if I want?
20:18.58atom-zok, thanks everyone
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20:19.12gigabyteshi all
20:19.14emRickactually, I just found out I can use large fonts in xosd:
20:19.14emRickecho "hi"|osd_cat -f "-*-helvetica-*-*-*-*-*-10000-*-*-*-*-*-*"
20:19.18gigabytesis kde 3.4 still broken in sid?
20:19.20rleighcohiba_: See "Port" in sshd_config(5).
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20:19.24jamesHello, I just installed Debian. In the installation, I was asked which driver X windows should use for the video card. I wasn't sure, so I selected VGA. The screen is now oversized and in something resembling 16 colors. Any help on finding the screen to select a different driver?
20:19.30*** part/#debian hardjob (n=hardjob@adsl-ull-124-143.47-151.net24.it)
20:19.39jamesI can't find it using base-config.
20:19.40marccohiba_: Port [yourport]  in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
20:19.48jncbob2: in debian unstable, the 'bttv' and 'tuner' modules are loaded automatically (they are not listed in /etc/modules);  how do i force the tuner module to load first, and then load the bttv module with options tuner=2 card=64 ?
20:20.01tryingtohelpjames: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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20:20.15jncbob2: i don't see what is loading these modules automatically or what the debian way is to modify that behavior
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20:20.28tarzeau!drx
20:20.28dpkgmethinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]     # Run it as root!  if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5>
20:20.31rleighjames: Run lspci and it should tell you what type of video card your system has.  You can then run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and know which driver to select.
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20:21.10jncjames: running 'X -configure' as root should be able to pick it up
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20:21.20jamesthanks, all...... i'm testing...
20:21.27jncjames: be aware that the config file it spits out will have incorrect mouse configuration
20:21.41jncjames: everything else should be correct, always has been for me over the last 3 years
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20:22.10shadowcathas anyone encountered a grub error 5 before?
20:22.18shadowcatthis happens when I plug in an IDE hd on an PCI ide card
20:22.22paulswmrleigh: You're right of course, wasn't considering the remaking of the boot partition, it's stage2 which understands filesystems
20:22.36shadowcatif I don't power up the hd connected to it, grub boots just fine
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20:22.50shadowcatas soon as I add the drive grub gives me an "error 5"
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20:24.24LightVisionAnd how can I see a list or something about all the programs and applications that are already being loaded automatically at boot in KDE?
20:25.26tryingtohelpLightVision: does KDE directly start at boot at your computer?
20:25.32LightVisiontryingtohelp:  yes
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20:25.45LightVisiontryingtohelp:  I get a menu and enter login
20:25.51LightVisiontryingtohelp:  then kde starts
20:25.57asmodaiiikdm...
20:26.16tryingtohelpLightVision: that should be independed of boot and just the normals program starting when KDE starts.
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20:26.33steve_could my debian box be preventing me from using ssh? blocking all outgoing stuff on port
20:26.34steve_22
20:26.51Maulkinshadowcat: steve_ it could be, but unlikely.
20:26.53astronutsteve_: doubtful, but of course possible
20:26.56Maulkinsorry, steve_
20:26.57astronutwhat's your firewall setup?
20:27.13tryingtohelpsteve_: if you have configured so, it might. a good (but somewhat cryptic way to check that would be using tcpdump or ethereal
20:27.15nico8481can you say "Please find my CV as an attachment"? is it correct english?
20:27.19Maulkinsteve_: Could you start ssh with -vv ?
20:27.20steve_i dont know:
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20:27.26steve_okay
20:27.46randomitysteve_: try doing /etc/init.d/<firewall name> stop, try ssh, and turning your firewall on again quite fast
20:27.47LightVisiontryingtohelp:  for example, firestarter loads automatically when KDE loads!  in what file does it contain a list of all apps that load at boot?
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20:28.27steve_whats the firewall name in etch?
20:28.46mwilsonsteve_: "kernel"
20:28.57steve_shuh?
20:28.57mwilsonsteve_: Same as any other release of Linux.
20:29.15steve_so /etc/init.d/kernel stop?
20:29.25mwilsonOh, brother.
20:29.27cmihai....
20:29.30stockholmsteve_: try as root "iptables -vL" and see if it blocks anything
20:29.32tryingtohelpsteve_: the firewall (or more correct the packet filter) is in the kernel, what program manages your firewall may be different..
20:29.40cmihaiomfg.
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20:29.59james(from my previous question about video cards) "dpkg -reconfigure -xserver -xfree86" causes an error: "dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove"
20:30.00stockholmsteve_: you can use the pastbot to make your results known to us
20:30.04randomitymwilson: most distros have a firewall setup as a package. For instance, on mandriva, /etc/init.d/shorewall stop will stop the firewall
20:30.07stockholmso we can tell, if you are not sure
20:30.09steve_pastbot?
20:30.14jethro!paster
20:30.14dpkgInstead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away.
20:30.14mwilsonsteve_: Use whatever front-end you like, but the firewall is the kernel.
20:30.21steve_how do i stop it on etch?
20:30.21tryingtohelpjames: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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20:30.55steve_how do i stop the firewall in etch?
20:30.55stockholmsteve_: use http://channels.debian.net/paste and select #debian
20:30.58tryingtohelpsteve_: There are many different things setting up your firewall, so it depends which one of those you use.
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20:31.09mwilsonsteve_: What did you use to start one?  There's not one there by default.
20:31.21steve_i didn;t start any firewall at all
20:31.22Maulkinstockholm: #debian isn't on the list atm :|
20:31.29steve_i can ssh out to anything
20:31.36LightVisionsteve_:  why stop thje firewall?
20:31.38mwilsonsteve_: Then you've answered your own question.
20:31.39steve_can't***
20:31.39Maulkinsteve_: Did you try ssh with '-vv' ?
20:31.46steve_Maulkin: yes
20:31.56tryingtohelpsteve_: does iptables -v -L list anything?
20:31.58randomitymwilson: actually, there often is one by default
20:32.10mwilsonrandomity: Oh?  Since when?
20:32.21steve_tryingtohelp: it does
20:32.28steve_should i paste it?
20:32.33Maulkinsteve_: Could you paste the result at http://channels.debian.net/paste/  please?
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20:33.08randomitymwilson: I know nothing about etch, but on Fedora, Mandriva and MEPIS, there is
20:33.17jamesdpkg -reconfigure xserver-xfree86 causes a "conflicting --control --remove" error, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 replies with "dpkg-reconfigure: command not found"
20:33.31mwilsonrandomity: And none of those are Etch, which is what he's asking about.
20:33.32tryingtohelpjames: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
20:33.33Maulkinjames: you need to do that s root
20:33.35steve_http://channels.debian.net/paste/651
20:33.43Maulkinsteve_: ta
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20:34.14steve_any ideas?
20:34.20tryingtohelpjames_: exactly one space betweend dpkg-reconfigure and xserver-xfree86
20:34.25Maulkinsteve_: could you paste the 'ssh -vv some.server.net' output please?
20:34.35steve_whats a good server?
20:34.38jamesah, i wasn't doing it in root
20:34.39jamesthanks!
20:34.49Maulkin(where some.server.net is the host you want to reach)
20:34.54Maulkinjames: No problems :)
20:35.32steve_http://channels.debian.net/paste/652
20:36.26Maulkinsteve_: ok. It looks like you can't 'see' that ip.
20:36.49tryingtohelpsteve_: does telnet <hostname> 22 say the say or simlar thing?
20:36.54james0000:00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03)
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20:37.01mtchallo
20:37.15jamesi would think that VGA would be the one to choose, but it looks terrible.....
20:37.17steve_telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host
20:37.18MaulkinCan you please do: "apt-get install traceroute; traceroute <that ip address>"
20:37.34Maulkin(do the apt-get as root)
20:37.47Fleckdumb question - how to use SEE ALSO in man pages?
20:37.58abrotmanman # pagename
20:37.58mtchow do I tell debian-sarge to install  libapache2-mod-php4 with mysql mod. ?
20:38.02jethroFleck: it points to other manpages
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20:38.09tryingtohelpjames: the maximum vga is 640x480 16 color or 320x200 256 color, everything else only "also supports vga" or "vga compatible"
20:38.13mwilson"use"?  It's not something you "use".
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20:38.22Fleckjethro ok but how to go there?
20:38.50jamestryingtohelp: so which should i select on the dpkg page?
20:38.51Fleckmwilson ok sorry, i know my english is bad...
20:39.03steve_http://channels.debian.net/paste/653
20:39.03orchidFleck: if it says "SEE ALSO foo" then you "man foo"
20:39.07rleighjames: Try the i810 driver; I believe this is for most onboard Intel graphics chipsets.
20:39.12jamesthanks
20:39.32jethroFleck: what abrotman said. if it mentions foo(5) type man 5 foo
20:39.35FleckSEE ALSO Bash Reference Manual
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20:39.57Maulkinerm.... ok. That's odd.
20:40.03Fleckman bash ...
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20:40.11steve_Maulkin: yeah it is odd
20:40.12Flecki need reference manual
20:40.37jethroFleck: http://www.google.com/search?q=bash+reference+manual
20:40.46mtchow do I tell atp-get to install  libapache2-mod-php4 with mysql support?
20:40.56Fleckjethro i know, but i need it in man ... :P
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20:41.12jethroFleck: if it had its place in the manpage, it would not be in the see also
20:41.23steve_thats's why i asked in here
20:41.39Maulkinsteve_: could you try: "ssh cheddar.halon.org.uk"? Do you get a password prompt?
20:41.52whitehorse1If I wish to add a line to include the testing dist files in my sources list file, which of these two formats is the correct syntax, please? deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/ main contrib non-free **OR** deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
20:41.55Fleckjethro ohh i see :(
20:42.01whitehorse1Or none of the above?
20:42.02steve_ssh: connect to host cheddar.halon.org.uk port 22: No route to host
20:42.14tryingtohelpsteve_: does iptables -L -v list anything?
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20:42.33Fleckjethro just i don't have net on that PC... but i need to write some scripts there ... :(
20:42.38rleighFleck: There are plenty of good books available (general Linux and UNIX reference books), and you can always print the manual pages out.  The bash manual is available in hardcopy (I have one from Network Theory Ltd), and you can convert the online manual to PDF or PostScript and print that if you like.
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20:42.43Maulkintryingtohelp: Just the headers, no rules defined.
20:42.58Maulkintryingtohelp: http://channels.debian.net/paste/651 IIRC
20:43.18steve_tryingtohelp: http://channels.debian.net/paste/651
20:43.37tryingtohelpsteve_: if you have tcpdump installed try running "tcpdump port 22" as root and try the ssh again.
20:43.38JohnGHI have a machine with Windows XP and a faulty CD drive so I can't boot off the Debian installer CD - is there a way to boot off an install image on an XP hard disk?
20:43.55Fleckok thanks guys
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20:44.19RoninJohnGH: theres always the floppy start as i recall
20:44.19mwilsonConsidering the <$20 a CD drive usually costs, skip a pizza and buy a new one.
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20:44.53whitehorse1JohnGH: There's a floppy install image, instead. For a HD the 'easy' way'd be to re-partition to add a small partition to the C: drive (w/out breaking existing XP data of course)
20:45.04steve_tryingtohelp: nothing shows up on tcpdump
20:45.34whitehorse1Norton's Partition Magic will re-partition in XP without problems, there'll be alternatives to partition magic on shareware.com, I'm sure; too.
20:45.35JohnGHwhitehorse1: how can I repartition from within XP? I can't can I?
20:45.35tryingtohelpsteve_: try tcpdump -n port 22
20:45.47Maulkinsteve_: Also, how many network cards do you have?
20:45.53whitehorse1JohnGH: See above :) . I've done it, without problems.
20:45.56steve_nothing
20:45.57mwilsonWhen did PM become a Norton product?  I didn't know that.
20:45.59steve_i have 2
20:46.14steve_i have the built in ethernet and an atheros wifi
20:46.15JohnGHoh OK thanks
20:46.20Maulkinsteve_: can you please paste "route -n"
20:46.30whitehorse1mwilson: I'm 98% sure it's Norton/Symantec. Either way, I've used it.
20:46.31tryingtohelpsteve_: then also tcpdump -i eth1 -n port 22
20:46.45steve_Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
20:46.45steve_149.137.209.40  0.0.0.0         255.255.255.248 U     0      0        0 eth0
20:46.45steve_0.0.0.0         149.137.209.41  0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
20:47.22rleighJohnGH: There are several ways to boot.  You can boot from floppy, USB storage, hard disk.  Floppy is simple, USB can require some setup on an existing system, and requires a modern BIOS that can boot from USB.  You can also boot from Zip.  If you boot from an existing partition, this will prevent you from repartitioning it.
20:47.25thingfishhehe
20:47.29steve_nothing
20:47.48tryingtohelpsteve_: that at least looks like a problem on that host than.
20:48.11Maulkintryingtohelp: Not convinced yet, he can't reach my colo either.
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20:48.20whitehorse1Q) :) To add a line to include the testing dist files in sources.list, which format is the correct syntax please? A} deb "http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/" main contrib non-free **OR** B} deb "http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian" testing main contrib non-free
20:48.22Maulkintryingtohelp: Odd no? :)
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20:48.28tryingtohelpMaulkin: I mean the host he is starting the ssh on
20:48.41Maulkintryingtohelp: ahh, yup :)
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20:48.49SimonRaven...
20:48.51tryingtohelpif tcpdump does not show anything, then nothing goes out of that computer...
20:48.53SimonRavenfucking peer
20:48.57steve_could it be something with the school's network
20:49.15Maulkinsteve_: yes, it could.
20:49.19steve_like they dont want anyone running servers?
20:49.30steve_cuz i can connect to my server on port 80
20:49.34tryingtohelpsteve_: then tcpdump should show the connecting package that goes lost somewhere else.
20:49.37Maulkinsteve_: Actually, if there's nothing in tcpdump...
20:49.42SimonRavenyes. they could be actively blocking common daemon ports
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20:49.54steve_whats port 984?
20:50.03SimonRavenyou won't even see it if it's being blocked upstream
20:50.12SimonRavengetent services 984
20:50.21steve_what is that?
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20:50.30steve_its running on my server
20:50.31whitehorse1oops. back. irc prog crashed. sorry, if anyone answered my sources.list query pretty please could they paste the answer again? thanks :)
20:50.36steve_i dont know how it got there
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20:50.39tryingtohelpSimonRaven: Outgoing traffic you see.
20:50.43SimonRavenit's a command
20:50.54SimonRavenwhitehorse1: no quotes
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20:51.02SimonRaven*nods*
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20:51.28whitehorse1SimonRaven: Mmm, I know it's without quotes either way, but which line is correct?
20:51.39Maulkinwhitehorse1: [deb|deb-src] <mirror> <distribution> <sections>
20:51.42JohnGHthanks all - I have some ideas to try now :)
20:51.43JohnGHnight6
20:51.44tryingtohelpsteve_: can you connect to other computers on other ports?
20:51.46whitehorse1A} deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/ main contrib non-free **OR** B} deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
20:51.48Maulkinwhitehorse1: I use "deb http://the.earth.li/debian/ testing main contrib non-free"
20:51.58SimonRaventhe latter
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20:52.09jamesMy screen is now a lot sharper, but it's shaking... It's pretty hard to read the words on the screen, and horizontal lines keep shooting out of everything... Any ideas?
20:52.21whitehorse1right, so the word testing isn't part of the ftp/http path. Cool, thank you both
20:52.28whitehorse1james: Yes.
20:52.39tryingtohelpjames: try changing the answer to the questions about the monitor
20:52.41whitehorse1james: The Hz (sync rate) is too low
20:52.46Yuliaanyone can help me to enable wpk to mi wifi driver ipw2200? ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Operation not supported Is what i am said when i turn on eth1
20:53.17jamesalright..... i'll redo that config thing......
20:53.18jamesthanks
20:53.19whitehorse1james: eg if 60Hz you'd increase to 72 Hz, say.
20:53.44jamesis that in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
20:53.47Yuliadriver can see the net, but Kwifiinteface sayds accespoint unkonwn
20:54.18tryingtohelpjames: yeah, where is asks for minitor, the actual Hz numbers come with the advanced monitor settings thing
20:54.25Yulia*kwifimanager
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20:54.55jameshow much memory should i give my video card?
20:54.59whitehorse1james: I believe for sarge that'd do it yes. James, try checking the manufacturer website for yr monitor/gfx card - or manuals, to see the possible settings; err on side of caution ie lower settings
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20:55.11whitehorse1james: how much? er as much as it has
20:55.18jameshehe
20:55.22jamesi have no idea how to tell
20:55.25whitehorse1james: what card?
20:55.25rleighjames: It should get autodetected if you leave it blank.
20:55.30jamesalright, thanks
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20:55.41jamesi don't know the card... i don't know how to check in debian....
20:55.45whitehorse1rleigh: It should, yes ;)
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20:56.39whitehorse1james: erm well hopefully it'll autodetect in that case. if you do have a manual/delivery-note/invoice listing yr PC's inventory then try to look it up, just in case
20:56.41XplOzIoncan anyone tell me a good site with some HOWsTO? TUtorials?
20:56.51LightVisionI am about to buy a DVD reader which can write CD-RW!  How can I know before I buiy one that Debian and k3b will be able to recognise it?
20:57.06Yuliaanyone who uses wifi with ipw2200?
20:57.55MaulkinXplOzIon: What for?
20:58.11jamesnah, i'll just wing it
20:58.17whitehorse1LightVision: Buy a branded one. That's about it really, if your BIOS recognises it, odds are Debian certainly will too. If you're worried select a brand+model and then Google it with words linux and/or debian to see if there're any problems written about.
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20:58.29MaulkinXplOzIon: try "file:///usr/share/doc"
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20:59.01whitehorse1LG Electronics/Goldstar CD-ROM combo drives work fine at least - speaking from personal experience ;)
20:59.07markos_XplOzIon: http://www.ltdp.org is *the* source of howto's
20:59.30LonnieAnyone running on really old equipment, like a P133 and 64 meg of ram?   Looking for a nice window manager.
20:59.53mwilsonLonnie: aewm
20:59.55ma3xhi, when using skype I always get problem with sound device. I tried using artsdsp -m skype but that would exit skype unexpected when dialing
21:00.00tryingtohelpLoonie: window manager is more a question what you want it to behave.
21:00.00ma3xdo you have some solution for this matter?
21:00.03MaulkinLonnie: tinywm?
21:00.23mwilsonLonnie: Maybe ratpoison.
21:00.46LonnieI like IceWM, but looking for something a little smaller that is fairly configurable.
21:00.49tryingtohelpwm2 should be good for 33MHz 32MB
21:00.51EddieSamLonnie: ion3, ratpoison and wmi are all pretty light.
21:00.52ma3xand i get this warning when restarting the sound server
21:00.57ma3xsound server info msg
21:00.58antgel_Lonnie, wmaker?
21:01.00whitehorse1Lonnie: ah, I did try that on another PC; mainly with ubuntu; didnt manage to get it all working though, unfortunately. the ubuntulinux.org site had a tutorial for installing w/low ram+HD space. you could check it to see what window manager they suggest in it, and then apply it to yr debian configuration
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21:01.06markos_mwilson: funny name for a window manager :-)
21:01.17ma3xdevice: default can't be opened for capture (device or resource busy)
21:01.25mwilsonmarkos_: Talk to the people that named it, then.
21:01.25ma3xerror while initializing the sound driver
21:01.28tryingtohelpLoonie: fvwm is quite lightweight and extremly configurable, so configurable noone was able to do so alone...
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21:01.31ma3xanyone knows how to solve this?
21:01.39Rambo3where does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 save this co
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21:01.55whitehorse1ma3x: is yr sound card working properly otherwise
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21:02.07MaulkinRambo3: /usr/share/X11/XFree86-4 IIRC
21:02.08ma3xwhitehorse1, yes
21:02.13Rambo3where does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 save this configfile. it seams that xserver cant find the cinfig file
21:02.15MaulkinRambo3: or something like that
21:02.15samuelive just installed mountapp for WM, how do i get it running?
21:02.32whitehorse1ma3x: ok sorry then i'm outta ideas; i'll shush *g*
21:02.35tryingtohelpRambo: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
21:02.44Omhttp://packages.debian.org/libomnithread3 <--- Why is there library named libomnithread3 when the version shown for the packages is 4.0.6-1?
21:02.47LonnieThank you all.   I'llhave to give a couple of the a try.  I have used IceWM on the same machine, but swapped out the HD and just installed Sid with the 2.6.11 kernel.
21:03.08whitehorse1in sources.list, I understand that non-us isn't needed anymore for sarge as the contents're included in main. for testing (etch), does exactly the same apply?
21:03.10Rambo3no it doesnt create in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
21:03.26tryingtohelpLoonie: newer icewms get slower and slower. if you find something similar to it that is fast again let me know.
21:03.32antgelwhitehorse1: yep
21:03.46markos_Rambo3: it should unless it failed to do so for some reason
21:03.47whitehorse1antgel: ty
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21:04.05whitehorse1okey doke, off to reboot and install over again
21:04.20Overand=[
21:04.26Rambo3weard, thanks
21:04.33tryingtohelpRambo3: do you have a /var7lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum file?
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21:04.44ma3xhere i found the problem
21:04.48ma3xbut i dont know what that is
21:04.52ma3xma3x      7431  0.2  0.7  13936  7520 ?        S    23:07   0:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F 6 -S 256 -a alsa -d -b 16 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
21:04.54mwilsonWhy in the world would someone put a 2.6 kernel on a machine with only 64 mb of RAM?
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21:05.19Overandmwilson: i've heard (unverified) reports of a machine with 128 running a 2.6 kernel with decent performance
21:05.22Rambo3:)
21:05.46Overanda P-133
21:05.54markos_mwilson: i don't think it's that bad, you just have to keep it plain and with as little stuff as possible
21:06.18LonnieJust to see what will happen, and I have the equipment just sitting here waiting for something to do mwilson.  Old lappy.
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21:07.05markos_Lonnie: as a matter of fact, 2.6 will behave much better with virtual memory than previous kernels
21:07.20antgelit's not that bad at all.  depends what box is used for.  different between 2.4 and 2.6 is slight compared to difference between windowmaker and kdbloat
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21:07.45mwilsonI really need to get into playing with wmii again.
21:08.02ma3xwith what command to setup default browser in the console/
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21:08.19ma3xcan anyone tell me what this process is
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21:08.30ma3x431  0.2  0.7  13936  7520 ?        S    23:07   0:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F 6 -S 256 -a alsa -d -b 16 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
21:08.34ma3xdrkonqi is that from konqueror?
21:08.35LonnieI'll check back when I've tried a few that were suggested tryingtohelp.   That sounds good markos_ .
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21:10.06ma3xcan i setup /dev/dsp to be managed by something else than arts?
21:10.57nir-hello , iv connected a router to my linux box, now iv got a problom , i CAN ping/trancert sites , but when i'm trying to surf the net i gets that err msg: "NO route to host"
21:11.33antgelshalom nir, do you have a firewall?
21:12.14nir-i guess thres are iptables from my modem (leet ECI with running linux)
21:12.23mwilson'iv'... is that the new one?
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21:13.06antgelnir-: that didn't make sense to me. ba angleet bevakasha :)
21:13.17antgel(in english please)
21:13.46Overandif you're going to speak in hebrew, sheket bevakasha
21:13.56antgel:)
21:14.06nir-my linux machine connected directly to my router-modem (and my modem is connected with pppoe to the ISP)
21:14.09puslingis it possible to pass a argument to dpkg-builpackage: configure-script has been run. start building.
21:14.13RichiHpft, das spiel koennen mehr und mit anderen sprachen spielen ;)
21:14.17markos_ma3x: it says that artsd is running using alsa as audio method with 16-bit sound full duplex using 6 sound fragments (dunno what's this one)  with debugging level set to 3, using artsmessage to display messages, auto-suspend after 60 seconds, forcing start if there is no sound device available
21:14.27antgelOverand: let me show off my two words, please
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21:14.41nir-also the modem-router is linux based, and i think there are ipchins/iptables ruls in it.
21:14.50ubuntumbjju
21:14.59ma3xmarkos_, very good genius. Any idea what else can I choose than arts?
21:15.04antgelnir-: but no iptables on your linux box? iptables -L
21:15.07ma3xLike, is there some better sound daemon?
21:15.14Overandantgel: i showed off my two =]
21:15.19Gathondpusling: not sure, you can use the targets in debian/rules directly, although the more correct way would be to change the configuration part of that script
21:15.38nir-antgel: no , its a fresh installation
21:16.02markos_ma3x: sorry for trying to help then, i could tell you but apparently you don't appreciate someone trying to help you
21:16.04antgelnir-: have you used the router with other workstations?
21:16.08nir-yea
21:16.12puslingGathond: it is because the build fails sometimes - and I need to do some minor changes - and all the fancy checks are not needed to be done again
21:16.19js_i have created a raid0 array in the bios of my sata_uli card... what do i need to do so linux can see that array?
21:16.21ma3xmarkos_, i do i do. I forgot to say THANK You!
21:16.21nir-the one i'm usuing rite now (XP)
21:16.35antgelnir-: interesting.
21:16.44markos_ma3x: for that matter you asked what's this command, and i replied
21:17.00Gathondpusling: use debian/rules binary then
21:17.01antgel!software raid
21:17.01dpkgsoftware raid is, like, the pet rock of the 2000s.  One day you're going to look back at this and wonder "My GOD!  What was I *thinking*?"
21:17.10antgelwhat sort of a factoid is that?
21:17.11puslingGathond: okay.
21:17.20nir-all the configurations seems ok, default routing is set to the modem-router
21:17.33ma3xmarkos_, I get this process running all the time. When I kill it, it starts all over again. Can't figure out whats triggering it
21:17.33antgeljs_: generally it's easier to get software raid going.
21:17.37Gathondpusling: that should do the compiling, packaging steps
21:17.56markos_ma3x: in any case, you can choose not to run artsd, but tell the applications to use alsa/oss directly or some other engine
21:18.05antgelnir-: you could try a tcpdump -i eth0 port 80, see what's happening. also is your routing table ok?
21:18.16nir-yea
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21:18.29js_antgel: yeah, its what i usually use, but i felt like trying this
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21:18.42markos_ma3x: you have to go to the kde control center, go to devices/peripherals don't remember the name, and disable the "start sound server"
21:18.48nir-did , add route default gateway 10.0.0.138 (my modem internal address)
21:18.53ma3xmarkos_, I have this problem in skype. I can only tell to use /dev/dsp directly
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21:19.18antgelnir-: that's not the debian way.  you don't add routes like that.  man interfaces (search for gateway)
21:19.27MikeWasHere05hey guys
21:19.47MikeWasHere05how would I run a certain script/command on boot?
21:20.06antgelMikeWasHere05: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh is the easy way
21:20.16abrotman!init.d
21:20.16dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See also update-rc.d and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit
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21:20.22ma3xmarkos_, I can't find it there. Is it somewhere in the sound system?
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21:20.28beardyMikeWasHere05: In a crontab, as an @reboot job is another.
21:20.36LonnieWell, not finding wmii, but thaks to you all, Maulkin, mwilson, EddieSam, antgel, whitehorse1, markos_  and tryingtohelp.
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21:20.44antgelbeardy: that is _so_ out there :)
21:20.56nir-antgel: got another ideas :) ?
21:21.10beardyantgel: Heh, well. It's good to have choices :)
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21:21.20MikeWasHere05ermm
21:21.20LonnieLater all, and thanks.
21:21.23antgelnir-: not until you setup your interfaces file properly and /etc/init.d/networking restart
21:21.24MikeWasHere05i'm a first time *nix user
21:21.32MikeWasHere05i have to add my script to that directory?
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21:21.38markos_ma3x: kde control center->sound->sound system->Enable the sound system (uncheck this)
21:21.41MikeWasHere05and/or add the location of my script to that file?
21:21.52antgelMikeWasHere05: to do it which way?
21:22.03MikeWasHere05your way
21:22.06nir-k ,ill do it ...
21:22.10ma3xmarkos_, OK. that worked!
21:22.18antgelMikeWasHere05: suggest you follow the incredibly useful factoid ^^^
21:22.22markos_ma3x: of course
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21:22.46ma3xmarkos_, skype still says "problem with sound device"
21:23.04markos_ma3x: that way though, you'll lose sound in kde itself (not that it matters)
21:23.11markos_ma3x: that's too vague
21:23.16ma3xyes
21:23.21newbie_Does anybody have a good resource for getting debian to recognize my LAN? -- can't do a netinstall if it doesn't have connectivity.
21:23.42ma3xand when i run skype with artsdsp -m skype, it quits unexpected when i dial
21:23.44markos_ma3x: ok, sth trivial, have you checked the permissions of /dev/dsp?
21:24.04ma3xlrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 9 2005-08-07 21:20 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0
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21:24.17ma3xbut /dev/dsp0 appears as yellow text with black bg
21:24.22markos_should've guessed try /dev/dsp0
21:24.26ma3xthat means something like non-existing link?
21:24.36markos_ma3x: yes it's a symbolic link
21:24.44Maulkinloloster: no problems :)
21:24.46markos_ma3x: the actual device is dsp0, dsp is just an alias
21:24.53beardy!test
21:24.53dpkgYes, beardy, you're still online.
21:24.56ma3xcrw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 3 2005-08-07 21:20 /dev/dsp0
21:25.01ma3xwell i'm in the audio group at least
21:25.07antgel!software raid
21:25.07dpkgit has been said that software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
21:25.10markos_ok
21:25.36ma3xno solution :(
21:25.38markos_ma3x: ok then, does skype have a debugging mode, a log file or whatever?
21:25.40antgelnewbie_: how are you connected to the internet?
21:25.50ma3xmarkos_, let me see
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21:26.11newbie_antgel: (hello again!), I'm on a LAN behind a router.
21:26.14markos_ma3x: try to run it from console
21:26.14ma3xmarkos_, yes it says /dev/dsp-1: Device or resource busy
21:26.17MikeWasHere05@reboot /opt/lampp/lampp start
21:26.21MikeWasHere05does that sound ok?
21:26.29antgelnewbie_: most ethernet cards are supported. what's yours?
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21:26.31MikeWasHere05(to put in my crontab)
21:26.39markos_ma3x: run fuser -m /dev/dsp
21:26.54atom-zhow can I copy files, while preserving file permissions, creator/owner information, group, everything?
21:26.59markos_ma3x: it will give you the pids of all the processes that are using /dev/dsp
21:27.01antgelatom-z: man cp
21:27.06ma3xmarkos_, i get like 7 lines of lottery numbers
21:27.09markos_atom-z: cp -a
21:27.42Jason_LI installed apache from source and now when I try to install webmin (via aptitude) it tells me it wants to install the apache package as a dependency - how can I get webmin installed without letting it install apache over my version?
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21:27.48markos_ma3x: right, apparently you have lots of processes that lock the device and skype probably needs more exclusive access
21:27.53antgel!tell Jason_L about equivs
21:28.03newbie_antgel: EthernetPro100
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21:28.26antgelnewbie_: that's supported. in fact it has two drivers. is it not detected?
21:28.46atom-zok. cp -a according to the manpage is like cp -dpR, but -d means it doesnt follow symlinks. Does this mean that the symlinks themselves are still copied?
21:28.57newbie_antgel: It's detected, just not configured?
21:29.17antgelnewbie_: do you have dhcp on your network?
21:29.17markos_atom-z: they're copied just not dereferenced, ie they still remain symlinks
21:29.19beardyMikeWasHere05: Sorry for confusing you.. do what dpks factoid init.d said. Then it will be run at boot-time. @reboot is a different thing, it's something you use in a crontab, but perhaps I shouldn't have said that. If you have the things that /msg dpkg init.d said, it should get started when you reboot.
21:29.32newbie_antgel: the router issues IPs
21:29.34markos_atom-z: cp -a will create an exact replica of your foler
21:29.35MikeWasHere05ooh alright
21:29.35markos_folder
21:29.38MikeWasHere05thank you =)
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21:29.45antgelnewbie_: so yes?
21:29.46atom-zmarkos_, ok, thanks
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21:29.57newbie_yes
21:30.03newbie_antgel: sorry, yes.
21:30.12Q_atom-z: The symlink will stay a symlink to the same target
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21:30.25newbie_antgel: err.. I think. I don't know.
21:30.41antgelnewbie_: that should work a million times over. take a look in the log (alt-f2 or f3) when the installer tells you it's looking for an ip address. then report back
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21:31.20Q_with the -d, it would copy the files it points to, as opposed the symlink itself.
21:31.23newbie_antgel: the installer must have skipped that step, because I never saw it.
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21:31.42samuelsup all
21:31.45antgelnewbie_: then it didn't detect your card. how do you know it detects your card?
21:32.01markos_Q_: no that's wrong, -d = --no-dereference
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21:32.16stureany idea why still no updated openssh version in testing? it's at 3.8.1p1 .. even debian.org is running 3.9p1.
21:32.18newbie_antgel: I dmesg and it shows: "eth0: Intel Corp. 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100], ......
21:32.19ma3x_markos_, i got dc. did you say something?
21:32.22Q_s/with/without/
21:32.28antgel!why is ssh not in testing
21:32.29dpkgssh is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ssh
21:32.44samuelelectricity just went and my computer turned off, now i cant log back into my user account? gnome just seems to hang before it even starts up the WM? any ideas short of deleting the gnome config files?
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21:33.09markos_ma3x: (last msg) right, apparently you have lots of processes that lock the device and skype probably needs more exclusive access
21:33.12samueli can use other user accts no problems
21:33.22samueljust the one i was on i cant log into
21:33.22antgelnewbie_: that should work. what installer are you using?
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21:33.36MikeWasHere05err
21:33.40newbie_antgel: netinstall for debian 2.2.20
21:33.41MikeWasHere05I ran a grep, and i think it's hung
21:33.49MikeWasHere05what's the command to halt a process?
21:33.56MikeWasHere05i remember it was something like ctrl+q
21:33.57beardyMikeWasHere05: Ctrl-c
21:33.59markos_just press Ctrl +C
21:34.00antgelnewbie_: that's old. why aren't you installing sarge?
21:34.05MikeWasHere05alright, thought it was something like that
21:34.06MikeWasHere05thanks =)
21:34.08mwilsonHe said 'halt', not 'kill'.
21:34.18MikeWasHere05i meant kill
21:34.19Q_sture: There are a few reasons openssh didn't make it to testing yet: it's not build on s390 yet, it has an RC bug, and it's frozen (because it has a udeb).
21:34.25newbie_antgel: I have a slow connection and have been trying to download for about a week and only have 10%.
21:34.33rosacan anyone tell me how i can connect to these sites : http://rafb.net/paste/results/FeH47X56.txt
21:34.41newbie_antgel: I'm working on getting it.. I just wanted to be comfortable with the installation process in the meanwhile.
21:34.43beardymwilson: Yes, I must have concentrated more on the word "hung"..
21:35.09MikeWasHere05well, it did what I wanted it to do
21:35.11MikeWasHere05no worries
21:35.30mwilsonbeardy: A 'hung' process may not respond to signals at all, depending on your translation of 'hung'.
21:36.19beardymwilson: Sure, but instead of sitting there waiting until tomorrow, I'd try a ctrl-c first..
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21:36.41ma3x_ma3x@ma3x:~$ artsdsp -m skype
21:36.43ma3x_Segmentation fault
21:36.45ma3x_why?
21:37.08markos_ma3x: you killed artsd right? why go with artsdsp again then?
21:37.19markos_ma3x_: just start skype on its own
21:37.34ma3x_markos_, can't communication with more than one person then
21:37.39ma3x_with 1 person its okay
21:37.47ma3x_but conference gives problem with sound device
21:38.02Overandskype is really dodgy on linux support last i knew
21:38.04markos_i haven't done that with skype so i don't know
21:38.09Overandbut that *was* months ago
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21:38.29markos_ma3x_: in that case, try to use alsa mixing so that
21:38.40markos_ma3x_: so that you don't lock the device
21:38.51trahello, i'm using kernel image 2.6.8-686-smp, is there a way of knowing whether this kernel as CONFIG_HIGHMEM=Y or not?
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21:39.17markos_ma3x_: try to google for 'alsa mixer device asound.conf''
21:39.22ma3x_ok thanks
21:39.27markos_np
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21:45.02antgelnewbie_: order a cd. or you could try to install woody with the 2.4 kernel. but really, there's not much point as to upgrade will cause pain
21:45.30dreamwhat other desktop can i use besides enlightenment?
21:45.39robojerkI got a quick question, where is mysql-serevr get installed?
21:45.43Manoj_rosa, install wget, curl, or firefox
21:46.00markos_robojerk: you mean the binary?
21:46.03antgel!tell dream about wm
21:46.03stockholmtra: you can check the config in /boot/config-2.6.8-686-smp (c:
21:46.04newbie_antgel: crap. might as well try woody and start over when I get sarge. Maybe I'll know a little more (than nothing) by then.
21:46.10rosamom
21:46.21Manoj_dream, elightment is, I think, a window manager, and there are a lot of those in debian
21:46.24stockholmtra: grep for CONFIG_HIGHMEM
21:46.26markos_robojerk: /usr/sbin/mysqld
21:46.29robojerkmorkos-: yes
21:46.41snorksdream: perhaps gnome
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21:47.00antgelnewbie_: it's your time. seriously, if you have the cash, get a sarge cd or dvd set
21:47.10Manoj_dream, apt-cache search window-manager would help
21:47.22jnceh.... is there an option to have middle mouse wheel roll up/down the titlebar in metacity?
21:47.28dreamok
21:47.30jnci really enjoyed having that in WindowMaker
21:47.34dreamhow do i go to the top of the screen
21:47.40dreamyou know when there is a long list
21:47.51dreamhow do you get to see the top of the list
21:47.54stockholmdream: in which program?
21:47.56dreampage up doesnt work
21:47.59jncdream: shift + page up
21:48.00dreami am in console
21:48.05ke6isfdream: Shift-PgUp
21:48.09markos_newbie_: if you're patient you could download the sarge netinstall cd (~130MB) and then download eveyrthing you need from the net...
21:48.09ke6isf!tell dream -about enter
21:48.09dreamthanks ke
21:48.13Manoj_dream, or else pipe the list to something like "less"
21:48.14dreamthanks ke6isf
21:48.20|krusty|try a tile based window manager.. like ion or larswm.. they're MANAGING your windows.. as opposed to gnome/kde/enlight/xfce/etc..
21:48.26Manoj_apt-cache seach window-manager | less
21:48.26jncdream: you could also try piping it into less;   apt-cache whatever blah | less
21:48.34ke6isf!start a wm war
21:48.34dpkgfluxbox blows chunks!
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21:48.48jnc!tell ke6isf about kiss my ass
21:48.51asmodaiiiwhat is the difference between sarge/unstable and etch?
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21:49.01Manoj_sarge is stable
21:49.08antgelasmodaiii: www.debian.org/releases
21:49.19Manoj_etch shall be the nexct stable, perhaps in a year or so. unstable, is, well, unstable
21:49.20jncasmodaiii: etch is a copy of sarge right now
21:49.26jncasmodaiii: the development is in unstable
21:49.27dreamwhich window manager is an easy but good one to use?
21:49.36jncasmodaiii: eventually bits of unstable go into etch, i think
21:49.48asmodaiiijnc: oki
21:49.55antgeldream: we're all going to tell you to use the one we do. except me. i use wmaker.
21:49.57stockholmjnc: no, it is not
21:50.02markos_dream: easy depends on what you're used to, have you used windows/macs before?
21:50.02Manoj_dream, highly subjective, that.
21:50.05ke6isfjnc: etch has not been congruent with Sarge since June.
21:50.07jnci might have that wrong, but if you're going to go balls out, you'd want unstable
21:50.11Manoj_dream, I use fvwm
21:50.11snorkswhat is name of unstable ?
21:50.13stockholmjnc: unstable and sarge differ a lot already
21:50.16ke6isfsnorks: sid
21:50.20snorkske6isf: thanks
21:50.24snorksnight
21:50.24|krusty|dream: if you like the interface of emacs/blender.. Ion's your wm
21:50.25ma3x_is there a nice howto for dmix/
21:50.33antgeljnc: why are you telling anyone who doesn't know anything about debian to use unstable?
21:50.34jncma3x_: depends on what your definition of nice is
21:50.41ke6isfdream: Are you new to Linux?
21:50.42ma3x_jnc, easy
21:50.48snorksma3x_: if you dont care, then use alsa as emules and the new alsadrivers should fix dmix automagically
21:50.49stockholmasmodaiii: unstable and sarge (aka stable) differ a lot
21:51.03jncma3x_: then, not really
21:51.04snorksma3x_: err emules = modules
21:51.07asmodaiiistockholm: but i did apt-get dist-upgrade
21:51.21asmodaiiiin order to get unstable pkg
21:51.28stockholmasmodaiii: and what do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
21:51.37jncma3x_: i think snorks is correct
21:51.41asmodaiiideb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main
21:51.41asmodaiiideb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main
21:51.41asmodaiiideb ftp://mir1.ovh.net/debian/ unstable main
21:51.41asmodaiiideb-src ftp://mir1.ovh.net/debian/ unstable main
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21:51.48asmodaiiidho
21:51.49stockholmasmodaiii: you should use version pinning instead.
21:51.50asmodaiiire hi all
21:51.57asmodaiii:p
21:52.00abrotmanasmodaiii: DON"T PASTE
21:52.03rosado u know how i can set my synaptic.. back to normal...got too many sources
21:52.03asmodaiiisorry
21:52.07stockholmasmodaiii: you should use version pinning instead.
21:52.13ke6isf!tell asmodaiii -about paste
21:52.13ma3x_snorks, how can i use alsa as module?
21:52.16ma3x_but i dont have dmix installed
21:52.24snorksma3x_: by defining it as modules in kernel
21:52.34antgelma3x_: do you _ever_ do your own research before asking us?
21:52.35snorksma3x_: dmix is *i think* just a file
21:52.43markos_ma3x_: you probably have alsa already
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21:52.50markos_ma3x_: as a module
21:53.05ma3x_markos_, that's what i was thinking. I have it already loaded
21:53.05ma3x_but not dmix
21:53.09ma3x_or alsa mixing
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21:53.16snorksma3x_: get the alsa drivers
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21:53.41ma3x_snorks, that's a wide concept
21:53.46rosanite
21:53.59markos_ma3x_: lsmod |grep snd_ it should give yu the list of all alsa modules
21:54.02newbie_antgel: do you recommend installing LILO in the MBR or in the root partition's boot sector?
21:54.02markos_most
21:54.09jncsnorks: don't be a tard, he's asking a question about one of the most difficult to configure bits of ALSA
21:54.14snorksma3x_: i know man :/ im sorry i cant help you right now. you caught me at a bad time.. or rather, i opened my mouth when i shouldn't :P
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21:54.20antgelnewbie_: in most cases, the mbr. but it's your box ;)
21:54.26clue_lessare there any "standard" to how USENET articles are stored?
21:54.26newbie_antgel: thanks.
21:54.40snorksjnc: i apologize for being a tard
21:54.43Yuliaanyone knows about message "ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting" when boots??
21:54.49ma3x_i have this url http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA but i tried those steps, and it didnt work
21:54.50ma3x_maybe its not for debian
21:54.50jncsnorks: accepted, i apologize for snapping like that
21:54.53jncsnorks: i'm a bastard.
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21:55.04bitshiftyhi, i'm working through the debian setup, selecting "tasks" for the main installation of packages. how do i select tasks?
21:55.12bitshiftyshift+"+" doesn't work
21:55.16antgelclue_less: you have to ask a more clueful question
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21:55.32antgelbitshifty: space bar. it's in the install guide
21:55.34ma3x_i've heard dmix is really more like a lotto to find the right asoundrc
21:55.39bitshiftyantgel, thanks.
21:55.48rosasome body out there that can help me out: need to set my synaptic package loader back to normal.... pushed too many source buttons/options
21:56.09jncma3x_: it's pretty logical once you understand that the whole process is without hope
21:56.20antgelrosa: just delete the ones you don't want. or apt-setup
21:56.20rosa:)
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21:56.25markos_ma3x_: dunno about that, sometimes it's just a matter of your hardware, my alsa setup supports hw mixing and i don't remember ever configuring it for that
21:56.34clue_lesswhat I am asking is do leafnode, cnews and inn share some file layout for USENET articles?
21:56.46m2rosa: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup
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21:56.49m2rosa: apt-setup
21:56.52jncma3x_: i mean, you think that dmix is tough;  why, i had alsa -> dmix -> alsa -> jack_alsa -> dmix -> alsa
21:57.04jnci even had it working for mplayer
21:57.08robojerkexit
21:57.35jncma3x_: then i realized, i could just buy a decent sound interface and it would work without having to muck around with dmix
21:57.39dondelelcarorobojerk: /quit
21:57.39ma3x_jnc, I got all apps like amarok, xmms, vlc, mplayer running without a problem
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21:58.08markos_ma3x_: then it might probably mean that skype has a bug?
21:58.18ma3x_now when i try only 'skype' it's not able to initiate connection with more than 1 user (for the 2nd user says problem with sound device)
21:58.18markos_ma3x_: have you tried the skype forums?
21:58.22rosaok
21:58.24ma3x_and when i run it with arsdsp -m skype, i get segfault
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21:58.50markos_ma3x_: if everything but skype works fine, then i don't think you need to bother fixing your system, but reporting a bug in skype
21:58.51antgelmy-wife-is-18: the question is now a good one. i can't help you though :)
21:58.56ma3x_markos_, yeah, those bastards are saying artsdsp -m skype, and if you get segfault enable 'full duplex' in the kde center
21:58.56ma3x_but its already done
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21:59.37markos_ma3x_: file a bug report, don't just complain
21:59.38MikeWasHere05alright, i'm still a bit confused about the init.d stuff
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21:59.51MikeWasHere05i've opened /etc/init.d/skeleton in vi
21:59.58MikeWasHere05and it's a perl script
21:59.58markos_ma3x_: it's to their interest also since they want to penetrate the market with a non-free software
22:00.10MikeWasHere05i'd like to run /opt/lampp/lampp start
22:00.10markos_ma3x_: if they don't fix their bugs then they'll die
22:00.15ma3x_markos_, there wass already user in the forums who posted the same msg, no answer
22:00.18MikeWasHere05(thats the command I run to start my server)
22:00.19ma3x_they won't die
22:00.22antgelstockholm: i'm happy to have dialogue, but please ask first
22:00.22ma3x_it still runs on their windows
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22:00.26MikeWasHere05would I have to use like, exec() or something?
22:00.31MikeWasHere05i've never used PERL, just PHP
22:00.34toorealhello
22:00.44jncwhen did my-wife-is-18 ask a question
22:00.59stockholmantgel: not in this totally overloaded channel, right?
22:01.08antgelstockholm: of course not :)
22:01.12dondelelcaroantgel: instead of asking for someone to ask a more cluefull question, explain to them what was wrong with their question (it wasn't clear what they were actually asking) and explain how they can answer it properly. /msg dpkg ask; for some examples on how to do that.
22:01.13markos_ma3x_: there is already a skype-killer out ther, forget its name, and since skype uses sip protocol, you can use any other sip compliant conference system
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22:01.40tooreali could need some help with some debian and sataraid install. A
22:01.49ma3x_markos_, the problem is my brother is on windows, so i wont be able to phone with him
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22:01.57antgeldondelelcaro: fair enough. i thought my point was clear and not rude. i can use the ask or vague factoids in future if you prefer?
22:02.11ke6isftooreal: Well, what kind of help are you looking for?
22:02.19m2markos_: skype uses SIP?
22:02.27LightVisiondondelelcaro: i read the man for crontab!  still confused about loading and unloading programs at boot time!  Any other advice you can give me thats more clear that man crontab?
22:02.28m2markos_: didn't it use something rather proprietary?
22:02.29toorealhow to do it.. im a noob...
22:02.30markos_m2: iirc
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22:02.32tooreal:)
22:02.33antgeldondelelcaro: nb he asked a question subesquently that was 100% more useful
22:02.33dondelelcaroantgel: or you can explain it yourself... either way. That way the person in question knows what they're doing wrong, and learns how to fix it.
22:02.40dondelelcaroantgel: right.
22:02.42markos_m2: it's also compatible with sip
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22:03.18doubhi there
22:03.18markos_m2: anyway, i don't use it anymore, it doesn't run on my powerpc :-)
22:03.20m2markos_: there's Google Talk which I think does use SIP, but since it's not available for Linux it doesn't exist :-)
22:03.20toorealwhen i try the standard install it can't fint any partitions...
22:03.22ke6isftooreal: Well, let's see if we can clarify.  Are you looking to install Debian and install a RAID, or are you looking to install Debian on a RAID?
22:03.36ke6isftooreal: Minor, yet very important, difference there.
22:03.47tooreali want to install debian on a raid
22:03.48dondelelcaroLightVision: see the 'Instead of the first five fields, one of eight special strings may appear' section? that's what explains the special @reboot special string in man 5 crontab.
22:03.59[BT]Lothrielwhere does debian install mysql through apt-get?
22:04.02LightVisiondondelelcaro:  ok
22:04.03markos_m2: both are non-free so... :-)
22:04.17ke6isftooreal: OK, we have that part translated.
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22:04.22tooreal:)
22:04.27markos_[BT]Lothriel: there are many files, the server itself is in /usr/sbin/mysqld
22:04.35antgelMikeWasHere05: if you just have the one line to, the easiest thing is to add it near the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh (i.e. before the exit line)
22:04.41markos_[BT]Lothriel: try dpkg -L mysql-server |less to see all the files
22:04.58toorealits a fakeraid i think... its ICH7 on the Intel 955x chipset.
22:05.01ke6isftooreal: I'm clueless on raids, but I'll have dpkg give you something to work with here.
22:05.03markos_[BT]Lothriel: same for the other mysql* packages
22:05.04ke6isf!tell tooreal -about raid
22:05.14antgel!software raid
22:05.14dpkgwell, software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
22:05.24antgeli just made that one *proud*
22:05.35ke6isfantgel: Yer so speshul. =^_^=
22:05.37ke6isf!beer antgel
22:05.47Yuliaantgel: are you busy?
22:06.02antgeli don't drink any more, but i'll hold it in the spirit of the party
22:06.05jennersomeone should spell-check dpkg's beer factoids :)
22:06.09ke6isfantgel: Coffee then?
22:06.10Mxyzpltkskype doesn't use sip, and I see nowhere that is "sip compatible" http://www.skype.com/products/explained.html
22:06.13antgelYulia: i've been busier
22:06.38antgelke6isf: you won't believe this. i'm off that too. it's water all the way and i never felt bette
22:06.39antgelr
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22:06.46dondelelcaromy-wife-is-18: your best bet is probably to ask on debian-user@lists.debian.org, since it appears that few people here use usenet. I know I haven't bothered to play with it in ages.
22:06.51markos_Mxyzpltk: hm... probably i'm wrong then, dunno why i had this impression
22:06.56ke6isfantgel: dang
22:07.03shadowcathmm
22:07.04shadowcatguys
22:07.08shadowcatI just installed debian base
22:07.15Yuliaantgel: now i get acess to AP but it disconnect each 4 seconds. In consola says: ipw2200 Firmware error detected, Restarting. Can you help me?
22:07.19shadowcatand get an Error 15 with grub
22:07.20stockholmmy-wife-is-18: google has bought all usenet messages of the past and has a complet archive.
22:07.21green_earztooreal: and allso check out the link here for a debain software raid > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/
22:07.26stockholmmy-wife-is-18: use google-groups
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22:08.08stockholmnot sure if that answers your question, though... :-/
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22:08.41EmleyMoorNot related to Debian packages, I know, but it seems kernel 2.6.13 breaks USB OBEX
22:08.43[BT]Lothrielwhere is the debian equivlient to the binary location of /usr/local/include/mysql from a regular mysql install?
22:08.44toorealthx... ill try
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22:08.55antgelshadowcat: i think that's file not found. boot knoppix and fix it?
22:09.07shadowcatantgel: umm
22:09.11shadowcathow?
22:09.14EmleyMoorI will try recompiling, but I suspect it's an issue with that kernel - if anyone knows it is and can advise, please let me know...
22:09.17shadowcatI mean I just installed the thing
22:09.18markos_[BT]Lothriel: /usr/include/mysql
22:09.21Manoj_shadowcat, 15 : File not found, This error is returned if the specified file name cannot be found, but everything else (like the disk/partition info) is OK.
22:09.32antgelshadowcat: is the sarge install the only OS on the box?
22:09.33shadowcatfile not found?
22:09.34markos_[BT]Lothriel: you can be pretty sure that all include files in Debian are in /usr/include
22:09.41doub[BT]Lothriel: dpkg -L <package> will tell you. chances are it's in /usr/include/mysql if you install the -dev package
22:09.41shadowcatantgel: dual booting Windblows
22:09.54shadowcatsarge is on /dev/hdb
22:09.55antgelshadowcat: do you get the grub menu?
22:09.58my-wife-is-18stockholm: someone asked me to look into setting up a private USENET like thing.... that why I am asking.
22:09.59Manoj_shadowcat, most probably the /boot/vmlinuz* file
22:09.59[BT]Lothrielits not there
22:10.01shadowcatantgel: no I don't
22:10.02[BT]Lothriel:(
22:10.14antgelshadowcat: jesus. are you sure the sarge install finished?
22:10.14shadowcatI get "Grub loading, please wait..."
22:10.20shadowcatError 15
22:10.34doub[BT]Lothriel: then you need some kind of mysql*-dev package
22:10.35shadowcatantgel: well it gave me a "Do you want to install grub on...." on its own
22:10.42shadowcatthis isn't the first time I've installed debian
22:10.44shadowcatthe thing is
22:10.48shadowcatI added a raid card
22:10.54*** join/#debian smo (n=smo@per92-6-82-231-2-87.fbx.proxad.net)
22:10.55shadowcatand it hosed my previous debian install
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22:10.58markos_[BT]Lothriel: yes, you probably don't have the mysql-dev packages
22:10.58Manoj_shadowcat, err, some bioses can't serve hdb to the boot loader, so having at least one linux partition on /dev/hda on which grub can live often helps
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22:11.03abrotmanGuinness!
22:11.10dondelelcaroabrotman: heh
22:11.14shadowcatso I went to see if a new install would do it
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22:11.17markos_[BT]Lothriel: actually, libmysqlclient12-dev:
22:11.17abrotmandondelelcaro: i tried .. it's locked
22:11.18[BT]Lothrielapt-get install mysql-dev?
22:11.19shadowcatbut I get the same error this time
22:11.25abrotmanobviously
22:11.29shadowcatlast time I tried to repair grub I also ended up with error 15
22:11.34antgelManoj_: have to be pretty old hardware to not boot from hdb
22:11.40shadowcatManoj_: well it worked fine in that configuration
22:11.43stockholmshadowcat: hda or hdc would do, as far as i know.
22:11.46shadowcatuntil I added the raid  card
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22:11.57shadowcatstockholm: this is an MSI K8N Neo Platinum
22:12.03smohi i just compiled a dri snaphot for my radeon xorg launch fine  but dri is disabled   it ask for libdri 5.0... i have 4.2.... i can t find a way to update it...
22:12.07dondelelcaroabrotman: its fixed now
22:12.08Manoj_antgel, true. now we only have issues with things like /dev/hde
22:12.18antgelshadowcat: if you take the raid card out, does it boot?  perhaps it shifts bios disks?
22:12.21abrotmandondelelcaro: yay .. now the author of the factoid won't look like a total moron :)
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22:12.24shadowcatManoj_: I happen do have /dev/hde
22:12.34dondelelcaro!tell abrotman -about spelling ability
22:12.35markos_[BT]Lothriel: actually no, depends on which mysql version you want
22:12.37stockholmshadowcat: i am not familiar with that specific model, sorry
22:12.37dondelelcaroabrotman: ;-)
22:12.45shadowcatantgel: well if I unplug the bloody drive
22:12.48shadowcatit worked before
22:12.48abrotmandondelelcaro: but it's the name of a BEER! ..
22:12.50shadowcat:(
22:12.57markos_[BT]Lothriel: libmysqlclient15-dev for 5.0, libmysqlclient14-dev for 4.1, libmysqlclient12-dev for 4.0
22:12.59antgelshadowcat: the drive in the raid card you mean?
22:13.03shadowcatyeah
22:13.06dondelelcaroabrotman: hey, I know what it looks like, I've memorized the taste... damn if I know how to spell it.
22:13.29abrotmandondelelcaro: but can you pronounce it? :)
22:13.37antgelshadowcat: so the raid card is probably taking over hda and hdb etc, or at least putting itself first, if you see what i mean
22:13.40markos_[BT]Lothriel: personally i'd go for 4.1 or 4.0, unless you're adventurous and want to try 5.0 :-)
22:13.59antgelshadowcat: does the raid card have jumpers to fix it's appalingly stupid behaviour?
22:14.01dondelelcaroabrotman: in a bar? heh. I just walk up, and say: "Give me the usual" which almost always equates to the best beer they happen to have on tap.
22:14.06shadowcatantgel: nope
22:14.16shadowcatit's installed in the first pci slot though
22:14.19abrotmandondelelcaro: yeah .. don't try that in wisconsin :)
22:14.21shadowcatthat might be a problem
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22:14.33dondelelcaroabrotman: yeah, in those places I go with hard liquor
22:14.35toorealcan't i use my onboard ICH7 raid?
22:14.36abrotmanhehe
22:14.38antgelshadowcat: suggest either you do your research and find out how the raid card works or get a better card
22:14.42doubabrotman: so making mistakes is the only reason to look like a moron to you? allow me to run fast if we should ever meet then
22:14.42markos_dondelelcaro: that is usually possible only in the first few rounds, after a while you're lucky if you can raise your hand :-)
22:14.43abrotmantooreal: with sarge isntaller .. no
22:14.52shadowcatfor crying out loud
22:14.52MikeWasHere05antgel: thanks
22:14.57MikeWasHere05i'm trying it now
22:14.57shadowcatI ain't even running the drive in raid mode
22:14.59abrotmandoub: oh no .. there are lots of reasons :)
22:14.59shadowcat*sigh*
22:15.06shadowcatall I want is to add some space
22:15.07dondelelcaromarkos_: that's when you hold up the coaster and point emphatically to it
22:15.09shadowcatI hate Mondays
22:15.27markos_dondelelcaro: yup :-)
22:15.38markos_shadowcat: it's monday already? :-O
22:15.39antgelshadowcat: i think that's really broken. however, someone with kernel knowledge may be able to help you more
22:15.57doubshadowcat: so do i. i also tend to hate tuesdays, wednesdays ,thursdays, satursdays, and sundays.
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22:16.16shadowcatLinux version 2.6.12.5-2-pm-sws2 (root@lockheed) (gcc version 4.0.1 (Debian 4.0.1-2)) #1 Thu Sep 1 22:30:11 CEST 2005
22:16.23shadowcatI got enough kernel knowledge
22:16.23toorealabrotman: sarge installer? is it the minimal installer?
22:16.24EmleyMoorI hate Wednesday - prefer United <g>
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22:16.41abrotmantooreal: the netinst
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22:16.47antgelshadowcat: grub knowledge then ;)
22:16.47toorealok
22:16.57toorealhow do i do it then?
22:17.03Gneajenner: the kernel treats them as scsi, yes
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22:17.39Gneatooreal: burn it to a cd, reboot it and install
22:17.52doubabrotman: not thinking like you seems like the very first one. is there someone on earth not a moron, to you?
22:18.04green_earztooreal: http://www.debian.org/CD/
22:18.08abrotmandoub: not htinking like me? wtf are you talking about?
22:18.11antgelwhere did this come from?
22:18.18jennerGnea: ... and beeing scsi devices they are now called /dev/sdX instead of /dev/hdX, so you need to fixyour fstab and grub's menu.lst, this should be mentioned somewhere :)
22:18.23doubabrotman: about the reasons to be a moron
22:18.26abrotmani have no idea .. i just got attacked .. for apparently no reason .. but oh well
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22:18.43antgelabrotman: i thought it was something from before i logged on
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22:18.58jsundbergwhats up everyone i have a problem, who wants to help
22:18.59shadowcatantgel: you were right about the card
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22:19.03Gneajenner: that's why, on newer systems, i typically give the advice: use the linux26 option to boot with when installing :)
22:19.05shadowcathttp://www.digitalmapping.sk.ca/Networks/ExpandingRAID.htm
22:19.11toorealwhat CD do i need? instead of the minimal install?
22:19.12abrotmandoub: i honestly have no idea what you're going on about
22:19.19shadowcatit seems the only way to get grub working with this pos
22:19.20doubjsundberg: noone
22:19.29shadowcatis to install grub on /dev/hde
22:19.31doubabrotman: just kidding, anyway
22:19.38jsundberglol
22:19.40abrotmanok
22:19.45bl4ckb1tbueno por fin pude arreglar el problema que tenia con el firestarter :D , lo que pasaba era que en la configuracion estaba mal configurado el dispositivo de red conectado a internet, entonces aunque agregara los servicios no cambiaba nada, pero ahora ya lo pude arreglar, gracais por todo...
22:19.55doubabrotman: i must admit i don't quite know myself
22:19.57Gnea!tell bl4ckb1t about es
22:19.59jsundbergi just installed elive and live cd to my hard dribe
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22:20.05jsundberg*drive
22:20.06antgelshadowcat: good luck :)
22:20.07abrotmandoub: oh ok
22:20.09jennerGnea: I'm not talking about a fresh install, you end up with a broken systemwhen you switch from kernel-image.2.4.x to linux-image-2.6.1x...
22:20.12green_earztooreal:  the  "netinst" or "businesscard"
22:20.18abrotmangreen_earz: no
22:20.22jsundbergand i can get the network detected
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22:20.29antgeldoub: have you been drinking?
22:20.29abrotmangreen_earz: read his lastlog
22:20.31shadowcatantgel: I'm just gonna toss the card ou the window
22:20.34Gneajenner: see the response i just gave you.
22:20.34green_earzabrotman: ok
22:20.34shadowcatand be done with it
22:20.42toorealgreen_earz: i have the netinst...
22:20.57bl4ckb1tsorry i'am wrong :?
22:20.59antgelshadowcat: i'm glad you tested that scenario for me. i was thinking about getting a pci ide card for a server
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22:21.05ke6isfbl4ckb1t: We speak english here.
22:21.07Gneajenner: if you want to inform people about it, do a write-up and post the url or something
22:21.15LightVisionke6isf:  hello :)
22:21.19doubantgel: no, just working in a factory, taylor style, all day. i'm going slightly numb
22:21.19shadowcatantgel: don't
22:21.21ke6isfAfternoon LightVision
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22:21.32jsundbergso what do it do?
22:21.37LightVisionke6isf:  good morning, its 8:20am here :)
22:21.48green_earztooreal: sorry
22:21.50jodomardei!
22:21.52shadowcatantgel: basically the kernel sees it as raid
22:21.58shadowcatand surprisingly enough
22:21.59ke6isfLightVision: Ah, you're down under in Sydney.  Gday. =^^=
22:22.04shadowcatWindblows has no problems at all with the card
22:22.12antgelLightVision: who cut the dog in half?
22:22.13tooreal2kwhat do i need then?
22:22.14LightVisionke6isf:  indeed, that is so.  Sydney :)
22:22.33ke6isfLightVision: My mother in law grew up somewhere out in the bush, as I understand it - not quite sure where though.
22:22.41antgelshadowcat: of course not. they spent 95% of the dev budget on windows drivers to fix their broken board :)
22:22.43Gnea!tell tooreal2k about newbie-guide
22:22.47LightVisionke6isf:  with the kangaroo's? :)
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22:23.01LightVisionantgel:  your sister did
22:23.19ke6isfLightVision: Dunno, she hasn't told me much about it.  But she lives in Massachusets now, and her accent is now a cross between Aussie and Bostonian. =O.o=
22:23.25antgeloh dear
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22:23.46paulswmThat is a scary sounding mix of accents
22:23.54LightVisionke6isf:  hehe ;)
22:24.01nvzasg: well I've read up on this open mosix thing.. seems pretty cool. though I dont really have any performance issues. I am not sure otherwise how it would help my situation. I am more concerned right now with figuring out a good tunneling method and means of getting the clients to start and connect when I login on the server
22:24.09ke6isfpaulswm: It's actually more weird sounding than anything.
22:24.18paulswmI bet
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22:24.32antgelke6isf: i bet that sounds like the accents in Fargo
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22:24.44ke6isfantgel: Not having seen Fargo yet.... =O.o=
22:24.58antgelke6isf: you won't be able to sit through it
22:25.10ke6isfantgel: That bad?
22:25.18antgeli wouldn't have but was during my student stoner days
22:25.37antgelwhen i could sit through anything
22:25.52[BT]Lothrielmarkos_ is there any other dev packages i can get? i got 12 and i have mysql version 4.0.24 is this correct?
22:26.05ke6isfantgel: When you're stoned, you'll sit through Ben Stein giving a verbal discertation of themolecular structure of sheet metal.
22:26.08nvzdoub: is that anything like a crystal ball?
22:26.15ke6isfantgel: And be incredibly facinated by the verbal inflections./
22:26.17doubnvz: that's exactly that
22:26.24antgelke6isf: yeah, that was like, cool *snigger*
22:26.34markos_[BT]Lothriel: 12-dev should do for most stuff
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22:28.01LightVisionI have a question!  There are many distros based on Debian!  but WHY use those when they can use Debian?
22:28.07nvzdamn screen keeps distracting me. I have it dual-attached on two monitors so I can see two different screen(1)s at once but when I make an error on one and the other flashes it distracts me cause I see the flash out of the corner of my eye and look over
22:28.08doubke6isf: only when you're stoned ? i usually am most of the time
22:28.25markos_LightVision: many are quite specific for a task
22:28.28ke6isfdoub: What, stoned?
22:28.29EmleyMoorLightVision: Some people may feel the other distros offer them something more relevant to their needs
22:28.43LightVisionEmleyMoor:  what can they do that Debian cant?
22:28.45doubke6isf: yes, stoned
22:28.48antgelLightVision: they want bleeding-edge stuff. they are 1337.
22:29.00markos_LightVision: sure you would do that using Debian yourself, but for some situations it's easier to just get the derivative
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22:29.14LightVisionname one thing that those distros based on Debian can do, that is impssible for Debian to do!  see my point?
22:29.20EmleyMoorLightVision: Nothing, but they may have easier ways of doing something-or-other
22:29.29LightVisionok
22:29.31antgelLightVision: install on bleeding-edge hardware
22:29.32markos_LightVision: have you heard Skolelinux/Debian-Edu?
22:29.33ke6isfLightVision: The biggest marketing point of many of the -based distros is that they tend to be of the latest greatest thing.
22:29.33doubnvz: shut the other one down, then
22:29.35nvzI wonder why the flashplugin depends on ruby
22:29.50LightVisionwell as for me, I LOVE Debian :)  this is my 5 day using it and I have never used anything as good as this :)
22:29.57ke6isfLightVision: While Etch currently brags that and offers decent stability, nobody really wants "testing" as their distro's label.
22:30.00LightVisionmarkos_:  no I havent
22:30.03jodomardeiLightVision. a clean distro
22:30.06EmleyMoorWhen I was choosing my distro, I knew it would be one of the general-purpose ones - it took me a week to decide on Debian and a further two weeks to schedule time to install it
22:30.06antgelLightVision: it's the nuts
22:30.11LightVisionI am even getting all my friends into Debian
22:30.17markos_LightVision: it's a debian based distro (actually it's probably the best out there), but it's focused on building an environment that's ready to use out of the box for schools
22:30.21ke6isfLightVision: Ubuntu offers that sort of thing, but strips out what a user won't generally use - server related things, mostly.
22:30.26doubke6isf: well, except maybe people who look farther than labels
22:30.28LightVisionI even helped a couple of friends install Debian and they like it
22:30.37EmleyMoorDebian is the best OS I have ever used, by far
22:30.38ke6isfdoub: Well yeah, but this is people we're talking about.
22:30.53markos_LightVision: it configures everything a system administrator would have to configure himself and would take probably days, it configures all of that stuff in less than 30 minutes
22:30.55nvzdoub: I use it. like when I am working on a different screen I like to still be able to see my chat window. but I dont want to use two different screen sessions cause then I cant as easily change which physical monitor I am working on. this way I can just switch easily
22:30.57ke6isfLightVision: Xandros has corporate backing.  That's about it.
22:31.06LightVisionke6isf:  yes I know what you mean
22:31.06doubke6isf: yes it is. maybe you mean consumers. i mean human beings
22:31.14antgeli installed debian for a friend a while back.  two weeks later he got a pirated copy of windows
22:31.14green_earzLightVision: bookmark the link its a handy debain doc " Debian Reference " > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html
22:31.24ke6isfDitto with Linspire/Lindows and stuff like that.
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22:31.49LightVisionmarkos_:  ok
22:31.49markos_LightVision: so yes, Debian is the best out there, but it's not the best for all situations, people want maybe less configurability but more quick deployments
22:31.50EmleyMoorIf someone asks me to build them a machine, and I agree, my quote is always "with Debian. For Windows add..."
22:32.03LightVisiongreen_earz:  ok ty
22:32.20ke6isfgreen_earz: Woo, good pointer there.  *bookmarked*
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22:32.26ke6isf!green_earz++
22:32.28LightVisionmarkos_:  ok
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22:32.36markos_LightVision: it's not bad to have derivatives, actually, Debian actually benefits from that, for example did you know that the whole debian-installer was funded by Skolelinux itself?
22:33.00antgeloh look, more users who don't know about the reference. i have to get cracking on my website patch this weekend.
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22:33.02markos_LightVision: sarge has an installer because of Debian-Edu/Skolelinux
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22:33.10adrakoaexcuse me , i don't if this is a stupid thing, but how to is posible build the kernel headers...
22:33.25doubke6isf: and even then, explain why most people here tend to prefer the "unstable" label over the "testing" one. maybe that's because it's not a matter of labels. but i might be wrong.
22:33.31LightVisionmarkos_:  k
22:33.44green_earzantgel: i installed debian sarge for a friend and give him a pirated windows copy,  and debian is still on the box, so good news there
22:33.47markos_adrakoa: you don't really build the kernel headers, you build the kernel, the headers are used by other software that needs information from the kernel
22:33.55ke6isfdoub: You get the latest software, but the downside is taht you have to know how to fix the little problems that make it "unstable".
22:34.25antgelif ubuntu was so easy to figure out, we wouldn't get so many ubuntu queries in here
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22:34.40markos_doub: most people? i'd probably say the opposite, most people prefer testing, because it gives the best of both worlds
22:34.46[BT]Lothrielmarkos_ : thanks for your help, figured it out
22:34.52ke6isfdoub: That said, why people go in and not know quite what they're getting into... it's like the question about the tootsie roll center of the tootsie pop.  Nobody will ever know.
22:34.56markos_[BT]Lothriel: you're welcome
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22:35.27doubnvz: i've seen a screen feature which cuts off any sort of bell, visible or audio, and instead only displays a "bell on terminal %d" or something like that
22:35.32adrakoayes, markos_ but if you compile a new kernel to install a source of ipw2100 ( for example ) without kernel-headers i cannot (i don't know ..) install this mod.
22:35.57antgelmarkos_: that's a misconception, that it gives the best of both worlds
22:36.05EmleyMooradrakoa: For that, you compile the kernel and keep your compile directory
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22:36.40markos_antgel: well, i don't know why you say that, but so far i've been running testing for years, and had very few problems with it, if at all
22:36.50doubmarkos_: of course. but polls are forbidden, so that's just my feeling of the situation
22:37.17markos_antgel: otoh, i know some friends of mine who just use unstable and always complain about debian esp. in the migration periods :-)
22:37.22RiesHey all. I need to have stat from my cpu to create a RRD. But I can;t find docs for /proc/stat for a 2.6 kernel... or tools like vmstat gives me averages already... what tool can I use to grab the stats?
22:37.23adrakoayes but i need the kernel headers, without them when i compile the tar.gz i always receive a error, i don't know..
22:37.25markos_doub: forbidden?
22:37.25antgelmarkos_: one person isn't a large sample, and perhaps you have enough knowledge not to fuck it up.  if testing breaks, it can be for a much longer time.
22:37.47ke6isf!tell markos_ -about polls
22:37.48doubmarkos_: not welcome, at least
22:37.50antgelmarkos_: if they upgrade without thinking, then naturally they're going to end up in the frying pan
22:38.06rosaworked!!! thanx alot
22:38.11alexscott)amsg( ++
22:38.13rosagood night!!!
22:38.32markos_antgel: if it breaks yes, but it breaks much more seldom than unstable
22:38.37doubke6isf: well, that's not the point anyway. my point is that only consumers look no further than a label
22:38.38markos_doub: ok
22:38.42antgelmarkos_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325655. there has also been a lot of discussion about this on d-u over the years.
22:38.48ke6isfdoub: True, true.
22:38.53dondelelcaro!dbugs 325655
22:38.56dpkg#325655:W[www.debian.org] www.debian.org: Help us to help ourselves; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:18:04 UTC
22:39.01EmleyMoortesting: longer breakages, for less of the time
22:39.04dondelelcarothis bug again.
22:40.02ke6isfHey, how many pages does the ref manual print to?
22:40.07markos_antgel: er, yes, what's that about again? i mean what's the connection?
22:40.08antgelmarkos_: yes, but when it breaks it's bad.  i don't see how that's any better.  i understand your point of view, but i'm saying that testing _and_ unstable can both cause pain, and stastically, any one individual can be the unlucky one
22:40.41antgelmarkos_: NB the line about the misconception that testing is the best of both worlds.
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22:40.49markos_antgel: of course, for example i'm running stable/sarge on all my servers, but testing on my workstations/development environment
22:41.07markos_antgel: ok, s/is/at least it tries to be/ :-)
22:41.31ke6isfdondelelcaro: It's a bug that doesn't end.  People don't read signs or manuals, nor do they want to.
22:41.32antgeldondelelcaro: i'm going to try submitting a patch for the web. worst that can happen is rejection :)
22:41.50markos_antgel: i really can't afford my workstation to break from a bad compiler, otoh i can't stay behind and not have gcc4 for example...
22:42.00markos_antgel: so i'll choose testing
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22:42.19antgelke6isf: that's a load of crap. those of us that are conditioned to unix _surely_ read manuals. it's a fundamental thang.
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22:42.54markos_antgel: i agree, i have a ton of books/manuals on my side... let alone pdfs..
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22:43.06dondelelcaromarkos_: right; for some people it's the right decision... the issue is really with recommending it for random people... but then again, testing is much better than unstable if you have to have something newer.
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22:43.18doubdondelelcaro: it looks like trying to save humanity from its laziness, which, even if it's a good idea, is a PITA to do
22:43.24antgelmarkos_: i understand.  i see testing being recommended to newbies all the time, and it's not clever
22:43.38ke6isfantgel: I'm probably jaded by public transit - where people routinely ask if a bus is going to the destination on its headsign and/or refuse to touch the schedule books.  That, and...well, where do you think RTFM came from?
22:43.51markos_antgel: no, personally i don't recommend it to newbies, i give them a sarge cd all the time :-)
22:44.02markos_antgel: "this is all that you need" is what i tell them
22:44.12buckybuses stop at bus stops
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22:44.26buckyjust like no one works on Labor Day
22:44.26antgelke6isf: rtfm came from answering people like us when we were new :)
22:44.26markos_bucky: not if they have broken breaks
22:44.43ke6isfantgel: Before we started routinely collecting copies of TFMs.
22:45.01ke6isfHmm, time to reassemble the rat cage.
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22:45.22jodomardeidebootstrap is the best choose of newbie in my mind
22:45.30antgeldondelelcaro: for a newbie who needs something newer, would you ever recommend debian testing over a non-debian distro e.g. ubuntu or similar?
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22:46.45dondelelcaroantgel: sure
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22:47.41dondelelcaroantgel: the question becoming one of support; I have no intention of supporting non-Debian distributions. [Although, generally what I will suggest is backports of the specific packages they need to stable... only when they're ready should they upgrade to testing.]
22:47.52doubantgel: for a real newbie, as in "new to the linux world", you'll have to explain me how he can *need* anything
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22:48.30antgelmarkos_: do you _really_ need gcc4?  :P
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22:49.28markos_antgel: well, i have to try it, it's suppose to produce much more optimized code on powerpc, which is my main platform
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22:49.35markos_antgel: so yes i probably need it...
22:49.49PeterGriffinwhen i have a process under /proc/1234 which is not displayed with ps aux: is this always a rootkit? i mean the process running is not suscipious. it is java (running my tomcat)
22:49.53EfaistOswhat is the flah pkg for firefox ?
22:50.02EfaistOss/flah/flash
22:50.04EmleyMoorflashplayer-mozilla
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22:50.23LightVisionwhats a good ftp client for Sarge?
22:50.30antgelLightVision: ncftp
22:50.33EfaistOslftp
22:50.55LightVisionhmm :) ncftp or lftp is the most solid?
22:51.05antgel!tell LightVision about polls
22:51.10EfaistOsdunno ncftp
22:51.21antgelLightVision: suggest you...  try them!
22:51.23EfaistOsEmleyMoor, which source for this pkg ?
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22:51.26asmodaiiii prefere gftp
22:51.51EmleyMoorI believe it's in non-free
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22:52.43LightVisionEmleyMoor:  you wanting flash support for Firefox?
22:52.54EmleyMoorNo, EfaistOs is
22:52.58antgelit's going to be fun when debian drops non-free :/
22:53.05green_earzasmodaiii: same here for gftp gui and it supports sftp very handy
22:53.16LightVisionEfaistOs:  you wanting flash support for Firefox?  I just installed that yesterday
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22:53.19antgelwhy would anyone want a gui for ftp?
22:53.25EfaistOsLightVision, yep
22:53.40LightVisionantgel:  because they not as good and advanced in linux as you expert
22:53.49dondelelcaroantgel: the same people who find nautilus useful
22:53.51deepazi have a wireless nic of 3om for whichi have a driver file of .c format
22:54.02antgeldondelelcaro: i hear ya, and i don't understand that either
22:54.08LightVisionEfaistOs: (add contrib to sources.list)
22:54.18LightVisiondondelelcaro:  exactly
22:54.22dondelelcaroantgel: right; I don't either... but I know they exist or nautilus wouldn't.
22:54.27deepazhow do i make it into a module and install it
22:54.27jodomardeiLightVision. nooo,because... brain-dead boss
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22:55.02antgeldondelelcaro: we could go on for hours. are you hypothesising that everything that exists is useful?
22:55.02LightVisionantgel:  well, humble yourself and you will understand!  dont forget you were new to linux once too!  And when people have been conditioned with a GUI for years, its nice to use GUI when moving to linux!
22:55.11LightVisionantgel:  its called Empathy, try it :)
22:55.12ocare there any oss wikis that can measure up to Confluence? I.e. hierarchial trees of info - such as for project management, etc
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22:55.36LightVisionEfaistOs: (add contrib to sources.list), then apt-get update, then apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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22:55.42antgelLightVision: i understand that, truly. i've been there. i even compiled kde a looong time ago. i suppose it does take a while to see the light.
22:55.45dondelelcaroantgel: if someone made it, and people are willing to continue to support it, it must have been useful to them originally...
22:55.45LightVisionEfaistOs:  that worked for me
22:55.47tonsofpcsAnyone know what i need to do to boot my DEC Alpha to install debian on an IDE drive?  Will it CD boot, or do i need a floppy, or what? and what boot command in the Alpha BIOS?
22:55.48tonsofpcshttp://tonsofpcs.com/decalpha.jpg - that one, Arc Firmware 4.49-7; Carrera Computers, Inc; EB164 board according to jer
22:55.52LightVisionantgel:  hehe yeah :)
22:55.52ocsame for oss issuetrackers that can measure up to Jira? (I hate bugsilly (zilla) that we use now)
22:56.04LightVisionantgel:  its called years of "conditioning"
22:56.11cochilion_how do i downgrade a program????????
22:56.19LightVisionbeing condition to feel comfortable using GUI
22:56.23octonsofpcs: a serial console cable.. probably a RS-432
22:56.38dondelelcarocochilion_: please don't use excess punctuation. You use the = argument after a packagename in apt-get, or the aptitude package browser to do so.
22:56.42LightVisioncochilion_:  remove, then reinstall older version
22:56.50antgeldondelelcaro: probably. although in my cynicism, i sometimes think that some of the gnome/kde type projects are continuing out of pride as much as anything else. nobody wants to be the next betamax
22:56.51dondelelcarocochilion_: man apt-get; for details.
22:56.58tonsofpcsoc - RS-432? i thought we only had 232c, 422, and 482...
22:56.59thingfishso what happened to all the spambots?  Did God send an angel to smite them for us?
22:57.11tonsofpcsthingfish - yes, and that angel is umode +E
22:57.14dondelelcarothingfish: I think they got bored.
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22:57.25octonsofpcs: you probably need to floppy boot as your cd drive most likely doesn't support booting
22:57.42dondelelcaroalthough, we do continue to be hit by a couple...
22:57.46cochilion_dondelelcaro: but when i remove it it will reinstall the new version again
22:57.53thingfishdondelelcaro: rats, so it wasn't some particularly powerful juju set at work that banished them.
22:58.05tonsofpcsoc - ok, I can floppy boot if needed, but what floppy? [i don't have anything Alpha-specific downloaded right now]
22:58.08deepazhow do i install driver module in sarge
22:58.21tonsofpcsdeepaz - read the README file?
22:58.22LightVisionjodomardei:  what is your IQ? :)
22:58.26dondelelcarocochilion_: yes, it will.
22:58.35tonsofpcsor the INSTALL file
22:58.35dondelelcarocochilion_: unless you decide to put the package on hold.
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22:58.39nvzI barely recognize my firefox after installing a dozen or so extensions.. two of them I am likely to remove directly for doing things I don't approve of, like changing my start page and poping up dialogs at me
22:58.44dondelelcaro!tell cochilion_ -about hold
22:58.45deepaztonsofpcsno readme in that folder
22:58.45jodomardeiLightVision. less than 50 I think
22:58.52jncnvz: is it sentient yet? ;)
22:58.52antgelnvz: you've turned it into ie
22:59.01jncnvz: ask it what it wants
22:59.02cochilion_dondelelcaro: but i need an older version not the new version
22:59.03thingfishhehe
22:59.07LightVisionjodomardei:  well you called everyone "brain dead" who uses GUI.
22:59.13dondelelcarocochilion_: yes, read what dpkg told you about holding a package.
22:59.23cochilion_ok
22:59.27thingfishman, I'm behind the times, but this guero album by beck is killer...
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22:59.38LightVisionjodomardei:  someone with an IQ of under 200, imho, is not qualifed to call anyone brain dead :P
22:59.39jodomardeiLightVision. I didn't say that
22:59.41dondelelcarocochilion_: and you don't need to remove the package... just use the = option to apt-get or the version browser in aptitude.
22:59.44octonsofpcs: on second thought, it probably use a db25,db9 or dec 422->rs232 console cable if you wish to connect with a standard pc
22:59.49dondelelcaro(as I said originally)
23:00.09tonsofpcsoc - who said anything about wanting to connect it? I just want to install an OS on the thing
23:00.23cochilion_ok
23:00.25antgelLightVision: for the record i wasn't having a go. i'd love to hear a good reason why a gui ftp tool is good. and the fact that someone is used to it from their old shit os isn't necessarily a good reason.
23:00.29cochilion_dondelelcaro thanks
23:00.31LightVisiondondelelcaro:  I just compiled my very first program :)  that was fun ;)
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23:00.48jodomardeiLightVision. but not include which less than 50
23:01.01dondelelcarotonsofpcs: the install guide has information on how to install on alphas...
23:01.03dondelelcaro!install guide
23:01.03dpkginstall guide is probably sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays
23:01.05skiphelp please...should I set my JAVA_HOME variable in /etc/profile or ~.bashrc?
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23:01.10LightVisionantgel:  do you remember the day when everyone was using a CLI OS?  and now you use a GUI!  Well, exact same reason as that :)
23:01.14nvzI was snooping around someones webserver today and found things like Windows Explorer Thumbs.db files and ws-ftp.logs
23:01.20octonsofpcs: point is, compile an alpha kernel on some linux and create a boot disk
23:01.22tonsofpcsdondelelcaro - i would need sarge, right?
23:01.29LightVisionantgel:  are you running kde, gnome or something similar?
23:01.30dondelelcarotonsofpcs: if that's what you're going to install, yes.
23:01.54ocskip: doesn't matter.. i usually set it in .bashrc and /etc/skel/.bashrc
23:01.59antgelskip: .bash_profile
23:02.17dondelelcarotonsofpcs: I'd suggest using sarge (and getting the sarge cds) ... but you can probably use what you've got if it's not sarge.
23:02.24LightVisionantgel:  you use gnome if my memory serves me.  So tell me, why are you using a GUI such as gnome? :)
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23:02.29antgelLightVision: not for a long time. i last ran kde on solaris.
23:02.31skipoc: so does that mean it sets the variable whenever I open a terminal?
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23:02.40LightVisionantgel:  why are you not just using 100% everything cli?
23:02.42antgelLightVision: stay off the wacky baccy
23:02.42ocwhenever you execute bash
23:02.55ocskip: it wouldnt work if your shell is tcsh
23:02.56tonsofpcsya, i remember reading something about using sarge and not woody
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23:03.01LightVisionantgel:  well thats your answer :)  ponder that
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23:03.13asmodaiiigood night everyone
23:03.22skipoc: so if I open a bash terminal it should be set without me having to manually execute any scripts?
23:03.26antgelLightVision: because i don't have the bollocks, as i said before, i'd love to move from mozilla to elinks. web browsing is 90% of the fucking mouse crap that i still do
23:03.27LightVisionantgel:  so you dont need to wonder anymore why people use certain GUI
23:03.30ocskip: aye
23:03.42LightVisionantgel:  so whats stopping you?
23:03.48skipoc: I tried that, doesn't seem to be working. Hang on...
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23:04.05ocskip: or you could just do a ". /some/path/to/a/script/with/javaenv.sh"
23:04.12linoleumhello, I would like to know : is it normal that I 've got problem upgrading the gnome desktop with my debian sid??? it's been a week that there is a dependencies problemes
23:04.17antgelLightVision: laziness. i can't stand firefox and what most of the web is becoming
23:04.23dondelelcarolinoleum: it's not unusual, no.
23:04.23ocinto your .bash{rc,_profile}
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23:04.34paulswmHave a safe night, all, bye
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23:04.44LightVisionantgel:  so why are you using it?
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23:04.51lexOh masterful gurus of Unix.... Ive a tar question.... I have a tape created with: tar -c -f  etcetera > /dev/st0 .... now, i have something (extremely large) to backup from another server. Now the problem is that i do not have space in the backupserver to hold that much shit and i cannot imagine how to do something akin to: ssh me@remote " tar -c largedir" > /dev/st0 without loosing everything on the tape
23:04.51dondelelcarolinoleum: if you give us the complete output of the upgrade that you're trying to do (use the paster bot) we should be able to see what is wrong
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23:04.56LightVisionantgel:  is anyone forcing you to use it?
23:04.59antgelLightVision: my typical desktops are lots of xterms, the odd emacs, firefox
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23:05.07linoleumThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
23:05.07linoleum<PROTECTED>
23:05.19antgelLightVision: because i don't have the bollocks to learn elinks
23:05.27antgelLightVision: no. is there a point to this?
23:05.31dondelelcaro!+info gnome-desktop-environment
23:05.33oclex: tar -z ...
23:05.34linoleumwhen I try to do aptitude install gnome
23:05.35LightVisionantgel:  why not?  what scares you?
23:05.36dpkggnome-desktop-environment: (The GNOME Desktop Environment), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.10.1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB
23:05.37lexSo... id like to know how can i 'append' to the tar on the tape without having to store anything on the backupserver
23:05.49dondelelcarolinoleum: you need to do an aptutide update; and then try again.
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23:06.04lexoc, that will compress my tar.... true, but not enough. Its really big
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23:06.08oclex: i believe your answer is pretty far at the top of 'man tar'
23:06.09dondelelcarolinoleum: if it's still not installable, then your mirror is out of date...
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23:06.13LightVisionantgel:  the point is, stop complaining what others are doing!  and stop complaining about something you are using yourself!  inn other words, stop complaining please :)
23:06.18linoleumhum ... that's strange, I got this problem since a week or two
23:06.38muaddibIs there a website that show supported laptops for debian, I am in the market for buying on
23:06.38oclex: if you do a 'man tar | grep append' im even more sure you'll get the answer
23:06.39dondelelcarolex: probably with -r; athough I think you need to specify the device with tar...
23:06.41muaddibI mean one
23:06.46lexoc, Yeah... append, but how could i 'append' info from the incomming pipe from the ssh?
23:06.55antgelLightVision: what is stopping me is that the web is so graphical in nature at the moment
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23:07.11somedudedebian r roxor
23:07.12lexoc, You see. ssh me@there "tar c duh" | tar ???? -f /dev/st0
23:07.22markos_antgel: that's not really so bad...
23:07.25lexoc, kind of... that wont work i think
23:07.45antgelLightVision: i am not complaining about what others are doing. i am enquiring as to their reasoning. if i want to complain about something that i use, that's up to me.
23:07.46linoleumdondelelcaro, thanks I'm going to see what's my problem with my source.list...
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23:08.01oc>>
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23:08.23lexDUH
23:08.26dondelelcarolex: -A to concatenate them should work...
23:08.30lexCould it truly be that simple?
23:08.40antgelLightVision: there is a world of difference in the nature of ftp and web browsing.
23:08.47LightVisionantgel:  well the reasoning has been explained :)
23:08.55lexdondelelcaro, Evenwith a tar comming in from a pipe? I mean, the files are not on the server
23:09.02lexAH
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23:09.11LightVisionbrb food time :)
23:09.18lexdondelelcaro, Yes... append 'tar' files to the backup... mean
23:09.33paolo_hi, I am looking for a FTP client with graphic interface and SOCK 4 proxy support
23:09.42markos_antgel: graphical representation is much more organized than plain text, you get more information, better structured, easier to read, sure there are crap sites...
23:09.44dondelelcarolex: right, well, all you really need to do is to append the tar coming over from ssh to the tape device
23:09.52linoleumdondelelcaro, I got this line in my source.list , I dont understant what's wrong : deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
23:10.11lexdondelelcaro, COOL...ever done it?
23:10.13skipoc: thanks, I wasn't setting the path in /etc/skel/.bashrc
23:10.13dondelelcarolinoleum: and you've run aptitude update; recently?
23:10.25linoleumyes, every days
23:10.30dondelelcarolex: no, I don't deal with tape devices much.
23:10.33kanzureI've installed a new router, my linux server is refusing to `work`- I can SSH to the internal IP addy for it, but, it refuses to display the webpage to anybody but itself (ssh -> lynx 192.168.1.x).. any ideas?
23:10.35linoleumdondelelcaro, yes, every days
23:10.38tonsofpcsI have debian-30r1-alpha-binary-1.iso -- [and 2] that's sarge, right?
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23:11.05dondelelcarotonsofpcs: yes
23:11.11dondelelcarotonsofpcs: rr... that's woody
23:11.23linoleumdondelelcaro, I upgrade everydays my debian sid , but it seams there is a problems with gnome.. I'm going to try a aptitude purge gnome ... then aptitude install gnome
23:11.29tonsofpcsso its woody
23:11.30tonsofpcsok
23:11.31kadigiboxI am looking for a terminal but I don't know what to look for in buying a terminal.  Could someone help me?  Is WYSE good?
23:11.32tonsofpcslol
23:11.39tonsofpcswhy the woody and sarge seperation anyway?
23:11.44kanzurekadigibox: a terminal is free, try xterm
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23:12.00kadigiboxA Phisical terminal kanzure
23:12.12kanzurekadigibox: yes, that'd make a difference. heh'
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23:12.45dondelelcarolinoleum: try an aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment; to see what is going on.
23:12.47markos_kadigibox: you could get an old 486 from some company garbage, why buy a terminal?
23:12.51dondelelcarotonsofpcs: they are two totally different releases.
23:13.10kadigiboxbecause I need one
23:13.13tonsofpcsdondelelcaro - i understand that, but what's the diff?
23:13.19linoleumdondelelcaro,  gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: evince (>= 0.3.0) but it is not installable or
23:13.19linoleum<PROTECTED>
23:13.26tonsofpcsdidn't they branch?
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23:13.28dondelelcaro!+info evince
23:13.30dpkgevince: (Document (postscript, pdf) viewer), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 390 kB, Installed size: 1352 kB
23:13.40linoleumlol :)
23:13.41kadigiboxI cannot take up the space of a computer and monitor to work as a terminal when I am getting 50 of them
23:13.43dondelelcarolinoleum: ok, try to install evince then
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23:14.01lexdondelelcaro, Sad thing really: tar: Options `-Aru' are incompatible with `-f -'
23:14.03antgelmarkos_: the representation is one thing. having to use a mouse to get around is another. and there are so many crap sites it's untrue.
23:14.12markos_kadigibox: ok, try then for anything that supports VT* or ansi terminals
23:14.29antgelLightVision: please don't /msg and yes, i'm a pom. good day to you, sir :)
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23:14.37dondelelcarolinoleum: basically, somewhere you've got a dependency that can't be fulfilled in unstable.
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23:15.11linoleumdondelelcaro, by the way, I often got a problem with my locales , i dont understand wy because I set my locales with dpkg-reconfigures locales : perl: warning: Setting locale failed. and some info... maybe some packages are installed but not configured yet because of the locales problems ???
23:15.45dondelelcarolinoleum: you haven't built the locale you're acutally using with dpkg-reconfigure locales; or you've got some variable set to one that isn't built.
23:16.20linoleumdondelelcaro, yes, there is the line : LC_ALL = (unset), . how can I set the LC_ALL ??
23:16.22dondelelcarolex: yeah, the solution may just be cat - > /dev/st0;
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23:16.32jncwooo!
23:16.34jncfound a bug
23:16.55dondelelcarolinoleum: that just defaults to C; run env; to see what LC and LANG env vars you've got set, and build the locales that correspond to them.
23:17.09lexdondelelcaro, A question.... youd say that if i '>>' a tar file to a tar file that wouldnt mess it up ?
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23:18.28LightVisionantgel:  you are a pom?  well that explains a lot, poms are well known for always complaining about everything :)  jk ;)
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23:18.49dondelelcarolex: it shouldn't; the only issue is if they contain the same files, that might cause a problem.
23:18.55LightVisionoKtosiTe-server:  hello
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23:19.02antgelLightVision: that's why i asked who cut the dog in half :)
23:19.05LightVisionjerome:  hi there
23:19.09LightVisionantgel:  hehe ;)
23:19.22linoleumdondelelcaro, there is no LC vars
23:19.26LightVisionantgel:  i like your sense of humour
23:19.27jeromegood evening all
23:19.34dondelelcarolinoleum: use the paster bot to paste the output from 'env'
23:19.38LightVisionjerome:  good morning to you sir
23:19.40dondelelcaro!tell linoleum -about paster
23:19.46linoleumdondelelcaro, tkx
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23:21.34LightVisiondondelelcaro:  I must say, every day I see you being very kind and helpful to pepople. always happy to help anyone.  I must confess, it is rare to see someone so patient and helpful who shows much empathy, especially to the linus and debian newbies :)
23:21.57linoleum:)
23:22.04jeromeI have a strange issue ... some guy just installed sarge on his PC. During the install and now it's installed, everything went fine, his MIC was detected and his routers dhcp gave him an IP. However, /etc/resolv.conf is filled but name resolving doesn't work. He can ping IP however.
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23:22.32antgelLightVision: the DDs are far more patient than us normal people. they have to uphold the reputation. :P
23:22.44LightVisionantgel:  DDs?
23:22.44jeromegiven that his /etc/resolv.conf is ok, I can't really see what's going on. windows machines on the same lan, with the same DNS addresses are working nicely.
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23:23.02dondelelcaroLightVision: thanks... but I've no desire to become DPL.
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23:23.16antgelLightVision: debian developers. or large breasts.
23:23.27LightVisiondondelelcaro:  ok, just wanted to let you know anyway what I have noticed over the last 5 days I been here :)
23:23.39jeromeany guess about what could cause a bad resolution ? I was thinking of some UDP blocking from the router, but it's not highly probable.
23:23.44LightVisionantgel:  dondelelcaro is a debian developer? hmm I didnt know that
23:24.05antgeldondelelcaro: an excellent political response by a potential leader :P
23:24.09apokryphosis there a way to skip to a particular part of a dpkg-reconfigure?
23:24.23LightVisionantgel:  dont be jelous now
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23:24.40dondelelcaroantgel: or an excellent response by someone familiar with the amount of work that it takes for someone to be DPL and not quite that massochistic...
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23:26.07jncapokryphos: you could edit the script in /var/somethingorother
23:26.15atrusjerome: can you ping the servers listed in resolv.conf? what does the file actually look like?
23:26.26jncapokryphos: i don't recommend it unless something is terribly fubar
23:26.34LightVisionits because of people like dondelelcaro and dds that people such as I can install and use and ejoy such a great linux distro
23:26.36apokryphosRight. Thanks. :)
23:26.40LightVisionnow im back to my food :)
23:26.45dondelelcaroLightVision: eh, no need to bow... you can do far more good by just helping us out! ;-)
23:26.46LightVisionbrb
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23:27.17markos_LightVision: they're just normal guys doing what they like, what's more you can become one if you really want to :-)
23:27.43LightVisiondondelelcaro:  well im new to Debian and linux for 5 days, learned a lot and will continue to love to learn!  so as I learn and grow I can do my best to help others at the stage I am at, and one day I can perhaps help the many with what I have learned
23:27.44dondelelcarothere are thousands of bugs, some of which are definetly within the ability of any Debian user to fix; there are also a bunch of other things that could use to be done
23:27.52dondelelcaroLightVision: cool; glad to hear that.
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23:27.56LightVisioni am a hugr supporting in giving back
23:28.02LightVisiondondelelcaro:  yes :)
23:28.29linoleumreally, I dont understand how to set up my LC vars... I've set all the locales, I run set-language-env under my user ... I dont understand why there is problems ???
23:28.33jncdondelelcaro: there's a bad patch in debian unstable lirc-modules-source, what's the course of action i should take?
23:28.53dondelelcarojnc: mail the bug, explaining what's wrong, and supply a correct patch
23:28.56jncdondelelcaro: i.e. the '+    ...'  and '-    ...' lines show up in a Makefile
23:29.03green_earzLightVision: bookmark > " Debian Reference " > its a handy debian doc > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html
23:29.05antgelLightVision: or you could be like me and just raise bug reports :)
23:29.06markos_linoleum: what's the output of locale ?
23:29.19markos_linoleum: don't paste here :-)
23:29.35jeromeatrus: actually, I'm trying to help someone. He can ping the dns servers. It seems it might be related to ipv6 ...
23:29.38jeromechecking.
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23:30.09dondelelcarolinoleum: use the paster bot to tell us the output of env; and locale;
23:30.10linoleummarkos_, everythings it set to fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en , exept the LC_ALL= , where there is nothing
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23:30.38markos_linoleum: it's not necessary to set LC_ALL
23:31.17markos_linoleum: /etc/environment and /etc/locale.gen ?
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23:32.41linoleum/etc/environment :  LANGUAGE="fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en  and  LANG=fr_FR@euro  .   then in /etc/locale.gen  , just fr_FR@euro ISO-8859-15
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23:34.17dondelelcarolinoleum: you've got LANGUAGE set to en_GB when you haven't built the en_GB locale...
23:34.29dondelelcarolinoleum: that should probably just be LANGUAGE="fr_FR"
23:34.46antgel'night all
23:34.56dondelelcaro(and you probably want to also build fr_FR.UTF-8
23:35.20linoleumdondelelcaro, ok tkx a lot , I'm going to try it :)
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23:36.36mwilsonmarkos_: Feh.
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23:37.11markos_mwilson: oh it's only a matter of time, etch will surely be utf-8 by default, of course the user will be able to change that
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23:37.28LightVisiongreen_earz:  yes thanks!  im reading that website now
23:37.45green_earzLightVision: np
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23:38.06my-wife-is-18what do you guys use for xterm font?
23:38.06mwilsonmarkos_: Matters not to me.
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23:38.14alvansonis grub the sarge default bootloader?
23:38.21dvsalvanson: yes
23:38.28alvansonand ext3 default fs?
23:38.32alvansonor is it ext2
23:38.34LightVisionantgel_:  only melencholy's make good bug reporters, because all the focus on all day long is the negative aspects of life!  So no thanks, im too happy to be looking for and reporting bugs :P
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23:38.42mwilsonXTerm*VT100.faceName:   monotype.com
23:38.42mwilsonXTerm*VT100.faceSize:   8
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23:38.55SoledIs there anyone here that would know anything about why saslauthd refuse to authenticate a login via kerberos5 as valid, despite the fact that the kerberos server is clearly authenticating a valid username/password
23:39.05dondelelcaroalvanson: grub is the default for i386, yes...
23:39.56dondelelcaroLightVision: sometimes the bugs find you...
23:40.29dvsin soviet Russia?
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23:41.06green_earzLightVision: and you are liking your jourey into the debian world and the grate world of copy left.  yes its to the left not to right
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23:49.45alvansoncrumb.  I am trying to install grub, and I get "Error 22: No such partition" when I run 'grub-install'
23:50.04alvansonI am asking it to install onto /dev/hda, /boot is /dev/hda1
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23:54.19hacimalvanson: how are you invoking grub-install?
23:55.31alvansonhacim: grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda
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23:56.56hacimalvanson: /dev/hda should be something like hd0
23:57.09hacimalvanson: grub-install --root-directory=/boot hd0
23:57.36alvansonhacim: awesome
23:58.00hacimalvanson: although I think the OS device name should work too
23:58.38alvansonhacim: didn't work... perhaps it's because I'm using udev
23:58.41alvansonand sarge
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23:58.52hacimalvanson: what do you have in your device.map file?
23:59.08pedro_ive got a problem with mounting the floppy after i format it... it says "i coult not determine ilesystem type, and none was specified. could somebody help me?

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