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| 00:01.39 | SerajewelKS | gentgeen__, yeah, i think |
| 00:01.58 | gentgeen__ | OK, good |
| 00:02.11 | gentgeen__ | This http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/XFree-Local-multi-user-HOWTO/dm_conf-xdm_kdm.shtml |
| 00:02.30 | gentgeen__ | did mention /etc/kde3/kdm/ |
| 00:02.47 | SerajewelKS | gentgeen__, yes, and that's not the debian way apparently |
| 00:03.11 | gentgeen__ | Mmmm, well that site did say it was Debian ... o-well |
| 00:03.21 | gentgeen__ | Glad to hear you figured it out |
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| 00:06.12 | Warp4 | hi folks |
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| 00:10.33 | dabaR | what about this question....could one install a darwin kernel for his Mac, and then have it support the airport extreme, and then build a gnu system on top of it? |
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| 00:16.33 | abrotman | dabaR: ask #opendarwin .. but last i knew .. no |
| 00:16.42 | dabaR | ok, thanks. |
| 00:17.58 | Warp4 | running etch :) |
| 00:18.00 | Warp4 | yay! :) |
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| 00:19.56 | Gospel | any1 have trouble with kmail? keeps saying "unknown host" |
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| 00:21.20 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, you prop. don't have your server setting right |
| 00:22.09 | subgv | Anyone have this problem with kernel 2.6.x. I'm able to mount the 'smbfs' from another server to my computer. The other server uses symbolic links to point to a folder, which works find under kernel 2.4.x. But some how 2.6.x shows the symbolic links. Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 00:23.42 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 00:23.42 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | gentgeen__: probably? |
| 00:24.28 | gentgeen__ | well, he COULD have something else wrong, but doubt it |
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| 00:24.49 | gentgeen__ | no cable connection (and using a different computer now) comes to mind -- though not likely in this case |
| 00:25.24 | abrotman | gentgeen__: i meant you typed prop. .. you meant probably ? |
| 00:25.38 | gentgeen__ | O <g> right |
| 00:25.40 | abrotman | Gospel: does the rest of the internet work ? |
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| 00:28.11 | abrotman | ImEatingPringles: still ? .. how many cans do you go through a day? |
| 00:28.15 | liable | *munch* |
| 00:28.24 | ImEatingPringles | does anyone here use "motion" (the motion detection software"? |
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| 00:28.49 | ImEatingPringles | abrotman, all gone :( |
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| 00:30.01 | plb | hm anyone around on unstable running mplayer from plb@europa:~$ su |
| 00:30.01 | plb | Password: |
| 00:30.01 | plb | europa:/home/plb# mplayer |
| 00:30.01 | plb | .aptitude/ .gaim/ .mutt_certificates |
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| 00:30.16 | plb | er |
| 00:30.18 | plb | woops |
| 00:30.24 | plb | fsckin middle button |
| 00:30.30 | ImEatingPringles | lol |
| 00:30.33 | interbird | Yo! Can anyone tell me why I sometimes get non-readable chars in my titlebars ? |
| 00:31.04 | dtb | *cry* hey,.. ages ago i installed kde3.4 from source, the source dir was ~/kde3.4 yesterday i deleted it cos it was 600MB, and today i seem to have lost all my kde settings |
| 00:31.07 | plb | argh anyone on unstable using mplayer from marrilat? |
| 00:31.12 | dtb | although they seem to be present in ~/.kde |
| 00:31.34 | dtb | anyone know where the kde menu resides ? |
| 00:31.39 | dtb | because i seem to have lost that too |
| 00:31.53 | ImEatingPringles | newbie question <- If I'm pointing to a url on localhost, whats the exact command? (do I need to know my port number? thanks |
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| 00:32.11 | DaDave | tomcat sucks! the documentation is a mess! |
| 00:32.16 | abrotman | DaDave: duh |
| 00:32.25 | ImEatingPringles | whats tomcat? |
| 00:32.26 | shay | who's good with sed? |
| 00:32.29 | abrotman | ImEatingPringles: 80 ? |
| 00:32.35 | abrotman | shay: just ask! |
| 00:32.40 | DaDave | tomcat is a servlet container for java web apps. |
| 00:32.45 | ImEatingPringles | abrotman, is that the default? |
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| 00:33.03 | DaDave | and it sucks! arg. |
| 00:33.05 | interbird | ImEatingPringles: depends on the service... Apache is usually just: localhost |
| 00:33.06 | abrotman | ImEatingPringles: for apache .. yes |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | DaDave: there is a #tomcat i think |
| 00:33.20 | shay | I want to download all the "ogg" files in a page, lynx -dump <site> |grep ogg does shows all the links, but I want to filter only the expresion that contains "ogg" so I can redirect the output to wget |
| 00:33.29 | ImEatingPringles | oh, ok - looks like i got some reading :( |
| 00:33.30 | interbird | ImEatingPringles: Tomcat is 8180 |
| 00:33.42 | DaDave | abrotman: yeah i know. but in #tomcat actuly noone talks :-( |
| 00:33.42 | ImEatingPringles | ????? |
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| 00:33.49 | ImEatingPringles | what the heck is tomcat? |
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| 00:33.50 | abrotman | DaDave: no .. they're quiet usually |
| 00:33.52 | ImEatingPringles | a server? |
| 00:34.15 | DaDave | ImEatingPringles: a web server for java web applications. |
| 00:34.15 | gentgeen__ | shay, grep -e FILENAME > output.txt |
| 00:34.22 | gentgeen__ | that will remove all the extra lines |
| 00:34.24 | interbird | ImEatingPringles: Debian copies Tomcat user files from etc at Tomcat restart... |
| 00:34.30 | ImEatingPringles | oic thanks |
| 00:34.33 | abrotman | shay: start with grep .. what's left ? |
| 00:35.05 | shay | gentgeen__, already did that |
| 00:35.08 | abrotman | shay: like .. grep filename ogg > newfile.blah |
| 00:35.16 | shay | I grepped all the lines wich ontaions the ogg links |
| 00:35.24 | abrotman | shay: have an example ? |
| 00:35.26 | shay | but there are another "words" in the line |
| 00:35.30 | gentgeen__ | shay, so now you want to clean out the non-URL stuff? |
| 00:35.37 | shay | right, gentgeen__ |
| 00:35.39 | shay | that's the point |
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| 00:35.41 | abrotman | shay: example ? |
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| 00:36.02 | shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | shay: that's it ? |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | really ? |
| 00:36.09 | shay | let's say I want to remove the 51. |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | cat file | awk '{print $2}' |
| 00:36.30 | shay | hm let's see |
| 00:36.46 | gentgeen__ | Hey, that is not an ogg file!!! :-) |
| 00:36.52 | shay | excellent, thanks |
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| 00:36.56 | abrotman | shay: work ok ? |
| 00:37.06 | shay | yeah, let's try now to redirect it to wget |
| 00:37.26 | abrotman | shay: if you have the file full of just urls .. cat file | xargs wget |
| 00:37.41 | abrotman | though .. i think wget will take a file and get all urls inside |
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| 00:38.02 | abrotman | yes .. -i |
| 00:38.07 | shay | abrotman, rocks, thanks |
| 00:38.08 | interbird | ImEatingPringles: Debian (on my box :-) copies /etc/tomcat4/policy.d/99eamples.policy to the /usr/share/tomcat... dir -- I had to set tomcatusers.xml in the 99...-file. |
| 00:38.26 | gentgeen__ | shay, look at man wget and see --input-file |
| 00:38.31 | ImEatingPringles | interbird: i wish i actually understood some of tht |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | gentgeen__: i just said that .. keep up! |
| 00:38.51 | ImEatingPringles | only had debian a week now... fomer windows id-jit |
| 00:38.56 | interbird | ImEatingPringles: What part don't u? |
| 00:39.03 | ImEatingPringles | and i can't type for sh*t |
| 00:39.05 | plb | argh this sucks the sound doesn't match the movies in mplayer feels like I'm always watching a jackie chan movie =\ |
| 00:39.08 | abrotman | shay: won't those wave files be in hebrew ? |
| 00:39.17 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:39.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:39.51 | phogg | plb: use a different vo method, or try a different ao method, or try caching this or buffeirng that or frameskip, etc. etc. |
| 00:39.57 | shay | abrotman, some of them |
| 00:40.04 | abrotman | shay: erm .. ok |
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| 00:40.12 | ImEatingPringles | interbird: hmm don't know what the etc dir is normally used for, or what the .policy file doe, no experience with tomcat, xml??? etcetc <-complete newb |
| 00:40.13 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, ;-) |
| 00:40.13 | interbird | U is polite Dutch for you :-) |
| 00:40.19 | abrotman | interbird: not here |
| 00:40.24 | plb | phogg: sounds cool but I have no clue on how to do that....gotta link? |
| 00:40.53 | abrotman | shay: i thought you were in south america for some reason |
| 00:40.53 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, the "U" is a real pet peeve for you?!?! |
| 00:40.57 | monolith | is there something like the freebsd handbook, but for debian? i'm a long time freebsd user, but i used to use debian waaaaay back when, and i was thinking to try it out again because freebsd's smp support is soso, and I've got a bunch of 4 way opterons going to waste |
| 00:40.58 | abrotman | gentgeen__: yes .. it is |
| 00:41.00 | phogg | plb: man mplayer. Also, mplayer generally spits out helpful suggestions on the command line while executing |
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| 00:41.06 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 00:41.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 00:41.10 | shay | abrotman, I am south american, but I live in Israel |
| 00:41.10 | abrotman | monolith: ^^ ... that might help |
| 00:41.10 | monolith | i just can't find much documentation on debian beyond installing :) |
| 00:41.20 | interbird | ImEatingPringles: Kee, thought you had a question about localhost, ports and tomcat... |
| 00:41.21 | abrotman | shay: what were you thinking :) |
| 00:41.22 | plb | phogg: ok thanks |
| 00:41.50 | shay | abrotman, a friend of mine is giving out a lesson about terrorist groups and that, se he asked me for some clips |
| 00:41.57 | shay | abrotman, and fount a page full of them |
| 00:41.59 | abrotman | shay: oh ok |
| 00:42.20 | abrotman | monolith: does that help ? |
| 00:42.29 | interbird | abrotman: not here -- polite or u? |
| 00:42.32 | ImEatingPringles | interbird: yeah kinda (except for tomcat), I'm using "motion", which can take a capture a pic from a url as a stream... |
| 00:42.39 | abrotman | interbird: dutch :) |
| 00:42.41 | monolith | question about the state of debian, obviously i can see it's doing pretty damn well, this is a huge # of people lol. is it aimed at enterprise scale deployment? aka 12,000+ server datacenters? i gave suse and RH a spin but they were by no means ready for that kind of thing, rpms were flaking out with lots of dependancy issues etc :) abrotman: yes that helps :) |
| 00:42.45 | ImEatingPringles | and detect any motion from it |
| 00:42.52 | interbird | abrotman: okidoki :-) |
| 00:43.08 | abrotman | !tell monolith about fai |
| 00:43.09 | shay | abrotman, and yeah, I really miss south america :( |
| 00:43.14 | monolith | abrotman: btw, is 2.4 or 2.6 the preferred kernel in 3.1? |
| 00:43.17 | abrotman | !tell monolith about apt-proxy |
| 00:43.18 | ImEatingPringles | the file im using is just at /tmp/image.jpeg, and i don't know how to point to it |
| 00:43.21 | shay | abrotman, specially when I'm doing obligatory militar service right now |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | monolith: that depends on your hardware |
| 00:43.29 | abrotman | !tell monolith about why debian |
| 00:43.31 | monolith | hey, nice abrotman (those two things) |
| 00:43.43 | Gospel | hello everyone |
| 00:43.47 | monolith | abrotman: well, i've heard rumblings 2.6 has a lot better performance |
| 00:43.59 | ImEatingPringles | hey dibbler - is that from pratchett? |
| 00:44.02 | abrotman | monolith: depends on the system .. makes my 486 a little slugish :) |
| 00:44.08 | phogg | monolith: it really depends on what you're doing and whether you've patched 2.4 for it |
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| 00:44.11 | monolith | lol, i could understand :) |
| 00:44.18 | Gospel | i have mounted a 2nd HD and its working! But when I try to save a file to it, it says no write access! How can I fix this for my user? |
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| 00:44.31 | abrotman | monolith: but if you're talking about like a SMP system .. i'd use 2.6 ... |
| 00:44.35 | rking | Gospel: is it possible that it's mounted read-only? |
| 00:44.40 | phogg | Gospel: mount -o remount,rw /mount/point |
| 00:44.44 | rking | Gospel: look at the output of "mount" |
| 00:44.51 | DaDave | abrotman: did you ever tried to get clustering working with tomcat? |
| 00:44.56 | monolith | abrotman: well, it's a bunch of sun v40 quad opteron machines (640 right now) |
| 00:45.05 | monolith | mostly doing webserving/mail/etc |
| 00:45.06 | abrotman | DaDave: i'm trying to get away from tomcat :) |
| 00:45.10 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, did you put rw in the options like I said earlier? |
| 00:45.17 | DaDave | abrotman: and switch to what? :-) |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | monolith: yeah .. you *definitely* want 2.6 |
| 00:45.26 | abrotman | monolith: mostly because of the opteron support |
| 00:45.35 | Gospel | gentgeen__: oops I forgot! |
| 00:45.39 | abrotman | DaDave: i'm moving to PHP .. and also ditching mysql in the process ... |
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| 00:45.53 | gentgeen__ | <GRIN> that might do it == rw tells it to be mounted read/write |
| 00:46.00 | DaDave | abrotman: you want to use PHP rather than java? are you on drugs? :-) |
| 00:46.05 | Gospel | rking: it says; /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/backup type reiserfs (rw) |
| 00:46.06 | monolith | ok, i'll fire up that aptitude thing and see how i fare upgrading :P seems easy, i miss dselect though :P i know it's still there but most people say just learn aptitude and it'll be a lot better :) |
| 00:46.16 | abrotman | DaDave: it's a small site .. tomcat is overkill |
| 00:46.26 | abrotman | monolith: dselect still exists |
| 00:46.31 | Gospel | gentgeen__: how did I do that again? i think its already shpwing as (rw) |
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| 00:46.37 | abrotman | monolith: you also might be interested in pure64 |
| 00:46.45 | Gospel | gentgeen__: it says; /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/backup type reiserfs (rw) |
| 00:46.54 | DaDave | abrotman: yeah maybe. but PHP??? php sucks! i makes idiots out of new programmers. it's design is flawed in so many ways... |
| 00:47.04 | monolith | abrotman: one last little thing. i noticed when i u'd in aptitude, only one package was upgraded, zlib (security of course), what's the release cycle on software/updates? |
| 00:47.06 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, is that from running 'mount' at the command line? |
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| 00:47.15 | rking | Gospel: try sudo touch /mnt/backup/foo; if that works, then it's just a permissions problem (solvable with chmod) |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | DaDave: uhm .. i've been doing C++ for about .. 8 years or so .. PHP is easy if you can code :) |
| 00:47.22 | gentgeen__ | if so, then who did you do the original mount as? |
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| 00:47.39 | Gospel | gentgeen__: yes |
| 00:47.42 | interbird | DaDave: true -- copy-paste source to get an iteration :-) |
| 00:47.52 | gentgeen__ | If you mounted it as root (which you prob. did) and then tried to write to it as someone else, it would be a no-go |
| 00:47.55 | Gospel | gentgeen__: yes it came from typin "mount" |
| 00:48.05 | gentgeen__ | permission is based on who mounted it |
| 00:48.07 | abrotman | monolith: for stable .. you get security updates .. and every few months .. there will be a revision release .. like 3.1r1 .. which may include some RC bug fixes .. no telling when the next stable(codenamed etch) will release |
| 00:48.09 | uzer | anyone know a decent php or perl webmail implementation that supports pop3 or reading from local mailbox? |
| 00:48.13 | abrotman | !wiki |
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| 00:48.18 | Gospel | gentgeen__: ok! so how can I make it writable when I log in as user? |
| 00:48.20 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 00:48.28 | romulo | hello, i have a plugged device on one of my serial ports, how i know its ttyS?! |
| 00:48.31 | DaDave | abrotman: PHP is easy. right. but it misguide you to programm crapy code. it covers a lot of developer's faults and since that most developers don't even notice that the have done shit. |
| 00:48.34 | gentgeen__ | in the options column, make it look like your floppy options |
| 00:48.36 | abrotman | !wiki. |
| 00:48.36 | dpkg | [wiki] either wiki.debian.net a place where you get help or from WikiWikiWeb, the author system behind most wikis. wiki is derived from the hawaiian wiki wiki which means hurry or fast. Ward Cunningham's PortlandPatternRepository was the first Wiki. |
| 00:48.41 | abrotman | !faq |
| 00:48.41 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 00:48.59 | abrotman | DaDave: depends on the developer .. i've seen some damn ugly java :) |
| 00:49.17 | gentgeen__ | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup reiserfs rw,user,noauto 0 2 |
| 00:49.18 | monolith | abrotman: so every "stable release" includes new packages/upgraded software (aka new version numbers) and inbetween stables releases there are r releases which include bug fixes, and between those are security updates? |
| 00:49.27 | DaDave | abrotman: i bet you will never see that ugly shit in java as i have seen in PHP :-) |
| 00:49.56 | abrotman | monolith: yes .. the 'r' revisions are massive bugs ... that don't change certain things(like API etc) .. but yes .. that pretty much sums it up ... |
| 00:50.07 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, that tells the computer NOT to mount during boot up, but any user can mount it, write to it, unmount it |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | monolith: if you're talking 12000 servers .. i'd go with stable/apt-proxy/fai |
| 00:50.19 | subgv | what's the package name that enables shadow windows under xorg? |
| 00:50.21 | phogg | gentgeen__: probably it should be users not user |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | monolith: is this for a hosting company ? |
| 00:50.33 | Gospel | gentgeen__: ok ty |
| 00:50.37 | DaDave | abrotman: for how long have you been developing with java? |
| 00:50.37 | gentgeen__ | phogg, just going off my fstab |
| 00:50.40 | gentgeen__ | ;-) |
| 00:50.43 | SerajewelKS | are there any lightweight window managers / desktop environments (e.g. qvwm qualifies as lightweight) that support dual-display window maximization? |
| 00:50.44 | abrotman | DaDave: 4 years or so |
| 00:50.44 | monolith | abrotman: cool. nice to have a solid core :) and then one last thing, i found the kernel-image for 2.6, hit + on it, hit g but it doesn't show it's removing 2.4. did i do something wrong? :) |
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| 00:50.51 | monolith | abrotman: a datacenter |
| 00:51.00 | abrotman | monolith: ah ok .. no on site development then |
| 00:51.01 | monolith | abrotman: doing various things, hosting being one of them |
| 00:51.07 | abrotman | monolith: you don't have to remove the old one ... |
| 00:51.15 | Gospel | gentgeen__: so I replace the other line in fstab with "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/backup reiserfs rw,user,noauto 0 2" ? |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | monolith: and for an opteron .. you'd want kernel-image-2.6-k8 |
| 00:51.17 | phogg | gentgeen__: user means no user but the mounting user and root can umount |
| 00:51.20 | rking | DaDave: there are all different kinds of programming faults. overdesigning can kill a project as quickly as oversimplification, and java projects /are/ often overdesigned, imo |
| 00:51.23 | DaDave | abrotman: if you have so much experienc in java you will hate PHP. |
| 00:51.25 | monolith | abrotman: i got the smp version of that :) |
| 00:51.30 | abrotman | DaDave: i learned PHP first :) |
| 00:51.37 | abrotman | monolith: ah ok .. just making sure |
| 00:51.42 | interbird | DaDave: Do you know how to forward a request via a servlet to a target-(i)frame ? -- googled until i had to shave... |
| 00:51.43 | abrotman | monolith: no interest in pure64? |
| 00:51.50 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, depending -- you might want to make seperate directories under /mnt/backup for each of you users (and chown on each to the right setting) |
| 00:51.52 | DaDave | abrotman: so and you think PHP is better than java for some projects? |
| 00:51.57 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, yes that is correct |
| 00:52.05 | monolith | abrotman: is 2.6 also appropriate for firewalls? was planning to build transparent bridge filtering firewall out of a box too, tired of this expensive cisco crap. :) |
| 00:52.15 | gentgeen__ | but phogg brought up maybe using users instead of user |
| 00:52.15 | abrotman | DaDave: for something that is say .. 10 static and 20 dynamic pages .. and a small data base .. and low traffic .. hell yes |
| 00:52.19 | monolith | abrotman: no idea what pure64 is, i told you, i'm a longtime freebsd user, haven't touched debian since WAY back when |
| 00:52.26 | abrotman | monolith: i use 2.6 on my firewalls |
| 00:52.30 | abrotman | !tell monolith about amd64 |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | monolith: those opterons will run 32bit .. but pure64 does exist ... |
| 00:52.54 | gentgeen__ | phogg, So user1 could mount and unmount, but user2 could not unmount? |
| 00:53.06 | DaDave | abrotman: hmm. yeah but you have to know what you are doing. and most PHP scripters (php isn't a real programming language, so i call them "scripters" :-)) don't know! |
| 00:53.08 | monolith | where is the release engineering page for debian so i can see what's in the pipeline? :) |
| 00:53.11 | abrotman | monolith: and .. well .. unless you really know what you're doing .. i'd recommend to always try to stay with the packages ... |
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| 00:53.29 | gentgeen__ | correction if user1 mounts, then user1 can unmount -- but user2 could not unmount? |
| 00:53.37 | abrotman | DaDave: it sure is a real language .. tell me something it doesn't have that fails to make it real that a real language has |
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| 00:53.49 | abrotman | DaDave: if you want to see a non-real language .. i can show you a doozie |
| 00:53.50 | monolith | abrotman: well, i'm used to building from source, but i'm trying to get away from that, that's one more reason to try debian :P |
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| 00:54.02 | abrotman | monolith: good plan .. especially for 12k servers :) |
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| 00:54.12 | monolith | it's a bitch to build 12,000 machines from source up |
| 00:54.13 | monolith | :P |
| 00:54.24 | gentgeen__ | monolith, UGH |
| 00:54.24 | uzer | anyone know a decent php or perl webmail implementation that supports pop3 or reading from local mailbox? |
| 00:54.33 | abrotman | DaDave: i also code in a language at work .. it is RPN logic/math .. and has no loop structures other than goto/call |
| 00:54.35 | DaDave | abrotman: first of all it's a intepreted language. and intepreted languages are scrips. PHP is a scripting language. and since when are scripting languages real programming languages? |
| 00:54.39 | shay | FINISHED --03:52:57-- |
| 00:54.39 | shay | Downloaded: 101,543,785 bytes in 51 files |
| 00:54.43 | shay | thanks abrotman :) |
| 00:54.45 | abrotman | DaDave: so python isn't a language either ? |
| 00:55.00 | abrotman | and neither would perl ... |
| 00:55.07 | monolith | ok, one last question abrotman :) then i'll let you be. i'm a bit curious where all the network config/etc config stuff is. i'm assuming in /etc somewhere. is it in that link you sent? |
| 00:55.14 | DaDave | abrotman: i would call a something that uses identation for block identification a real programming language :-) |
| 00:55.21 | interbird | Wrll, Dutch isn't either, I gathered... |
| 00:55.23 | DaDave | *indentation |
| 00:55.25 | abrotman | DaDave: ok .. you're losing credibility now :) |
| 00:55.29 | gentgeen__ | /etc/network monolith |
| 00:55.32 | abrotman | monolith: uhm |
| 00:55.34 | ^Diablo^ | where can i read about clustering in debian? |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | !tell monolith about interfaces |
| 00:55.44 | monolith | thanks gentgeen :) |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | DaDave: you can indent PHP .. does that help you ? |
| 00:56.04 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 00:56.05 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 00:56.05 | DaDave | so you think useing indentation as block identifiers is a good idea? |
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| 00:56.17 | abrotman | DaDave: you said it .. not me |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | DaDave: <DaDave> abrotman: i would call a something that uses identation for block identification a real programming language :-) |
| 00:56.35 | DaDave | i mean you should always indent your code proper. but the language should not care about indentation! |
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| 00:56.43 | abrotman | DaDave: you said it .. i didn't |
| 00:56.50 | monolith | abrotman: well, thank you for all of your help :) we'll see how this evaluation goes! best of wishes to you, have a wonderful day |
| 00:56.57 | abrotman | monolith: come back if you need more help :) |
| 00:57.13 | DaDave | abrotman: well i say for me python isn't a "real" programming language. |
| 00:57.14 | gentgeen__ | monolith, good luck to ya |
| 00:57.20 | abrotman | DaDave: you said it was :) |
| 00:57.22 | monolith | abrotman: sure thing, if you ever need anything, david.orman@corenode.com : i might be a debian newbie, but i've got lots of resources ;) |
| 00:57.30 | DaDave | abrotman: i say it was? |
| 00:57.30 | abrotman | DaDave: but python is also inpretted |
| 00:57.40 | monolith | thank you gentgeen :) |
| 00:57.41 | abrotman | monolith: yeah .. i've got needs .. depends where you are though :) |
| 00:57.43 | monolith | you take care as well |
| 00:57.47 | monolith | abrotman: hawaii |
| 00:57.52 | abrotman | monolith: oh .. a job would be good :) |
| 00:57.58 | abrotman | place to crash for vacation ... |
| 00:57.59 | monolith | email your resume :) |
| 00:58.00 | abrotman | all kinds of stuff |
| 00:58.07 | abrotman | oh .. girls |
| 00:58.09 | abrotman | bikini girls! |
| 00:58.15 | monolith | those are free here |
| 00:58.19 | abrotman | oh jeez |
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| 00:58.23 | monolith | email your resume if you want to be considered for a job |
| 00:58.24 | gentgeen__ | monolith, I'll just settle for a place to crash while on vacation :-)) |
| 00:58.32 | monolith | lol gentgeen |
| 00:58.33 | rking | DaDave: i said "i would call..." when it's pretty clear you meant "i wouldn't call..." in your indentation coment. |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | monolith: it would be dependent on the job description :) |
| 00:58.39 | monolith | well shoot me off an email and keep in contact |
| 00:58.48 | monolith | abrotman: hard to offer you jobs when i don't know who you are/what you know ;p |
| 00:58.49 | abrotman | monolith: you just might get one :) |
| 00:58.52 | gentgeen__ | ofcourse, that would mean I had time & money to take a vaca .... |
| 00:58.53 | DaDave | abrotman: i misstyped. i wanted to say: "i wouldn't call something a real programming laguage that uses indentation for identification of blocks". is that better now? |
| 00:58.54 | abrotman | monolith: i know a bit :) |
| 00:59.10 | abrotman | monolith: anyways .. come back if you need more help .. we'll be glad to help if we can :) |
| 00:59.22 | monolith | hehe, ok. i might be back :) thanks abrotman, this is the community spirit i missed :) |
| 00:59.23 | abrotman | DaDave: but it's interpretted |
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| 00:59.34 | abrotman | monolith: what .. FBSD core is still in trouble ? |
| 00:59.37 | DaDave | abrotman: yeah. it's interpreted. so what? |
| 00:59.50 | abrotman | DaDave: that was your main criteria for php not being a language :) |
| 00:59.59 | monolith | abrotman: i wouldn't say trouble, but people are not very socially active |
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| 01:00.10 | monolith | that's probably why linux got where it got ;) |
| 01:00.11 | abrotman | DaDave: you just had to agree that python was interpretted |
| 01:00.12 | DaDave | abrotman: did i said that python is a real programming language? of course not!!! |
| 01:00.21 | abrotman | monolith: yeah .. that's how it was like 5 years ago |
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| 01:00.30 | DaDave | abrotman: python is a script language. |
| 01:00.35 | DaDave | abrotman: as PHP does. |
| 01:00.38 | gentgeen__ | what about Q-BASIC ??? |
| 01:00.38 | interbird | Out of my league -- muste be the port -- shutting up. |
| 01:00.53 | DaDave | gentgeen__: QBASIC rules! :-) |
| 01:00.53 | abrotman | DaDave: i disagree that being interpretted automatically makes it not a language ... |
| 01:01.00 | abrotman | iirc .. Perl is also interpretted no ? |
| 01:01.21 | DaDave | abrotman: that's just one reason that can make a language a not "real" programming language. |
| 01:01.28 | mccbaka | perl is interpreted and has the option of using a compiler |
| 01:01.45 | monolith | uhm, mod php doesn't have mysql support compiled in? wow |
| 01:01.47 | DaDave | abrotman: but the main thing is that PHP is a scripting language. how can a scripting language be a real prorgamming lagnuage? |
| 01:01.48 | koji-sama | hi i'm having a problem using 'make' to put together kwikdisk |
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| 01:01.55 | mccbaka | as for python, it is possible to compile python, abeit to Java bytecode |
| 01:02.11 | DaDave | mccbaka: yeah yeah, jython. i know... |
| 01:02.11 | abrotman | monolith: php4-mysql |
| 01:02.22 | monolith | not mod-php4? funky |
| 01:02.30 | mccbaka | really it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to conceive of an interpreted language which could not be compiled, or vice versa |
| 01:02.42 | abrotman | monolith: libapache-mod-php4 .. or libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 01:03.05 | abrotman | DaDave: i don't see how being interpretted automatically makes it not a language |
| 01:03.26 | monolith | abrotman: i've got the latter, it didn't list mysql as being compiled in |
| 01:03.30 | mccbaka | and one could find any number of languages, such as ML or Perl itself, which cannot be cleanly classified as either interpreted or compiled |
| 01:03.36 | DaDave | mccbaka: an interpreted language is never compiled, that's why it's called a _interpreted_ language. |
| 01:03.53 | rking | abrotman: this discussion is OT and a little stupid, imo. DaDave doesn't seem to be saying anything. |
| 01:03.54 | abrotman | monolith: it's not ... |
| 01:04.00 | mccbaka | but many modern interpreted languages implement compilers internally, as an optimization |
| 01:04.05 | abrotman | rking: i know .. because it's not really true :) |
| 01:04.08 | mccbaka | are these optimizing interpreters? or compilers? |
| 01:04.10 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, why from source?? |
| 01:04.10 | DaDave | mccbaka: well you can always have something that compiles it. but there are a lot of scripting languages out there which cannot be compiled. |
| 01:04.31 | koji-sama | gent i cant get it from apt |
| 01:04.50 | gentgeen__ | what do you want kwikdisk for? I think kde3 has it, or something like it built in |
| 01:04.57 | DaDave | rking: you don't have to listen if you don't like it... |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | monolith: they try to split a lot of stuff out ... |
| 01:05.00 | mccbaka | Perl calls its interpreter an interpreter; ML calls its interpreter a compiler. However they don't act all that differently |
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| 01:05.16 | monolith | abrotman: yea, i gotcha, saw php4 is a metapackage |
| 01:05.18 | monolith | :) |
| 01:05.23 | koji-sama | I wanted it so that i could mount my partitions quickly |
| 01:05.23 | struggler_ | would someone point me to a guide to reasonable settings for limits.conf |
| 01:05.29 | mccbaka | dadave: there aren't really any scripting languages out there which INTRINSICALLY cannot be compiled. the fact a compiler doesn't currently exist for them is mere coincidence |
| 01:05.44 | DaDave | rking: btw: i already said a lot, just read and think about it. |
| 01:05.47 | rking | DaDave: i'm pretty much not listening, but at some level you've got to admit this dumb round-and-around is dominating a channel that has nothing to do with. |
| 01:05.56 | mccbaka | the difference between a compiled and interpreted language is mostly one of circumstance, not a quality of the language itself |
| 01:06.08 | abrotman | monolith: there is also php4-cli if you need the cgi version |
| 01:06.38 | gentgeen__ | I *THINK* KDE3 has a build in aplet for that |
| 01:06.38 | abrotman | DaDave: you realize your definition means Perl isn't a language right ? |
| 01:06.40 | monolith | thanks :) ok off to the races! hope iptables is built into 2.6, along with transparent bridging :P |
| 01:06.52 | abrotman | monolith: apt-cache search is a good thing .. |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | monolith: as is apt-file |
| 01:06.58 | abrotman | !tell monolith about search |
| 01:07.09 | monolith | thanks |
| 01:07.12 | DaDave | abrotman: you think perl is a "real" programming languages? something that can be used for professionals for buissness projects? |
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| 01:07.18 | koji-sama | not to my knowledge gent |
| 01:07.40 | abrotman | DaDave: i don't write in Perl much .. so don't argue with me .. but i think if you told a Perl monk that perl wasn't a real langauge .. they might hunt you down :) |
| 01:07.43 | DaDave | abrotman: btw: please don't mix "language" with "real programming language"... |
| 01:07.43 | ImEatingPringles | is there a command to make xchat beep if someone types ur name? |
| 01:07.43 | SerajewelKS | gentgeen__, for what |
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| 01:08.07 | abrotman | DaDave: i assume you understand that when i say language i mean real programming language .. |
| 01:08.12 | abrotman | !ur |
| 01:08.15 | zinx | perl is real. a real pile of stinky cow doo. of course, it might be just what you need to fertilize your crop. |
| 01:08.17 | abrotman | ImEatingPringles: check the config |
| 01:08.19 | gentgeen__ | SerajewelKS, koji-sama is looking for a quick way to mount/unmount in KDE |
| 01:08.25 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:08.25 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 01:08.25 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 01:08.25 | rking | ImEatingPringles: yes - it's in the preferences menu somewhere. i'd tell you exactly where if i wasn't irssi'ing it right now |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:08.29 | gentgeen__ | was trying to compile kwikdisk from source |
| 01:08.42 | SerajewelKS | gentgeen__, koji-sama, KDE3.3 has a "devices" applet for the panel |
| 01:08.44 | abrotman | ImEatingPringles: check the Sound section |
| 01:08.54 | SerajewelKS | koji-sama, you can also add device icons to the desktop |
| 01:09.02 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, did you get that?? |
| 01:09.09 | Gospel | gentgeen__: its all fixed now! I can write to my second HD |
| 01:09.09 | DaDave | abrotman: well let's just say that i have some requirements for a language beeing a reliable programming language. |
| 01:09.17 | koji-sama | um |
| 01:09.20 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, lol COOL good job |
| 01:09.23 | abrotman | DaDave: but being interpretted or not is a lousy requirement :) |
| 01:09.30 | DaDave | abrotman: and let's also say PHP doesn't fit that requirements. |
| 01:09.31 | rbrasil | alguem sabe como vejo os poderes do super vaca do APT e do APTITUDE? |
| 01:09.37 | koji-sama | under which category? |
| 01:09.38 | Gospel | gentgeen__: :) |
| 01:09.50 | Gospel | gentgeen__: thanks to you :) |
| 01:09.53 | DaDave | abrotman: i have never said that it's just about the iterpreted or not thing. |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | DaDave: as i said before .. at work i sometimes code in a language which is RPN logic/math and has no looping control except goto/call(like ASM) |
| 01:10.15 | gentgeen__ | OMG -- take the programming lang stuff somewhere else as rking said |
| 01:10.24 | abrotman | !alguem |
| 01:10.24 | dpkg | i guess alguem is the Portuguese word for "anyone". A definite clue that someone needs to join #debian-br.... |
| 01:10.26 | abrotman | !pt |
| 01:10.26 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:10.29 | gentgeen__ | <GRIN> |
| 01:10.51 | abrotman | gentgeen__: just because you don't know how to program :) |
| 01:10.56 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, np |
| 01:10.57 | DaDave | abrotman: i had to code in somthing similary at work. that language had not even arrays. and we needed weeks for very simple new features just bc of that damn fucked up language. |
| 01:11.01 | SerajewelKS | koji-sama, panel menu > add > applets > devices |
| 01:11.10 | abrotman | DaDave: prolog? :) |
| 01:11.11 | gentgeen__ | Hey, I can program --- BASIC, HTML, |
| 01:11.13 | gentgeen__ | heehee |
| 01:11.25 | DaDave | abrotman: no something that the company had developed by themselve. |
| 01:11.27 | abrotman | gentgeen__: i haven't done basic .. since high school .. |
| 01:11.34 | abrotman | DaDave: that's thier own fault :) |
| 01:11.46 | SerajewelKS | speaking of BASIC, the new Microsoft AntiSpyware is written in VB6.. i kid you not |
| 01:11.46 | gentgeen__ | same here -- since '92 |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: as long as it works i guess |
| 01:13.00 | interbird | I think a language is defined by it's expression-domain, coupled to it's problem-domain -- and 'accents' mostly try to expand the expression-domain without defining a renewed problem-domain. |
| 01:13.02 | liable | which is unlikely :) |
| 01:13.13 | gentgeen__ | MS, VB, and as long as it works --- don't hear those together very often |
| 01:13.27 | abrotman | gentgeen__: because vb doesn't usually work :) |
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| 01:13.51 | SerajewelKS | i wish i could see the antispyware source... lol |
| 01:13.55 | koji-sama | hm |
| 01:14.01 | koji-sama | what if i still want kwikdisk |
| 01:14.03 | gentgeen__ | Language is a system of finite arbitrary symbols combined according to rules of grammar for the purpose of communication. Individual languages use sounds, gestures and other symbols to represent objects, concepts, emotions, ideas, and thoughts. |
| 01:14.03 | SerajewelKS | i'd either be amazed at how structured it is, or amazed that it works |
| 01:14.09 | SerajewelKS | koji-sama, what's that |
| 01:14.11 | DaDave | abrotman: i hated it. it was buggy, it was unbeliveable cicular and it allowed the developers to do incredibly crap. so the whole project was after a couple of years in a state where you had to fix 200 bugs that where coming up when you touched a single line in the code. the same thing happens with PHP. i saw it. well not as extreme as with this self-made lang. but PHP is also flawed... |
| 01:14.16 | gentgeen__ | wikipedia |
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| 01:14.32 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: if manufacturer <> "Microsoft" then Remove(software) endif |
| 01:14.58 | koji-sama | it displays your filesystems, if they're mounted and how much usage |
| 01:14.59 | gentgeen__ | So using the first sentence --- THEY ARE ALL LANGUAGES |
| 01:15.00 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, it's probably close to that =) |
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| 01:15.02 | abrotman | DaDave: dunno .. like i said .. depends on the developer .. my php seems fine to me |
| 01:15.23 | SerajewelKS | koji-sama, i don't see why you couldn't use them together... |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | DaDave: i've been doing php since like .. 98 .. so |
| 01:15.42 | koji-sama | yes but im having a problem installing kwikdisk |
| 01:15.52 | abrotman | erm .. maybe 99 |
| 01:15.54 | SerajewelKS | koji-sama, you can't apt-get it? |
| 01:15.57 | koji-sama | no |
| 01:16.01 | SerajewelKS | why not? |
| 01:16.02 | interbird | gentgeen_: True, where the symbols being it's way to express and communication being (one of the mayor 'problems') to express and communicate. |
| 01:16.02 | DaDave | abrotman: the ideal language would not allow even 1 developers fault. i think java is much near to this approach than PHP will ever be :-) |
| 01:16.06 | koji-sama | not listed |
| 01:16.13 | abrotman | DaDave: java allows so many faults |
| 01:16.22 | mccbaka | java is technically an interpreted language |
| 01:16.24 | DaDave | abrotman: yeah but not as many as PHP does! |
| 01:16.39 | abrotman | DaDave: more because php isn't typed .. where java is .. i find those are most of the problems in php |
| 01:16.43 | DaDave | mccbaka: depends on how you define the word interpreted. |
| 01:16.53 | koji-sama | when i try using make on the directory |
| 01:16.56 | zinx | abrotman: weird, i find the namespace issues to be most annoynig |
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| 01:16.57 | SerajewelKS | koji-sama, don't know what to say then... i've never used it. i usually df to monitor disk usage. |
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| 01:17.20 | zinx | abrotman: though the whole magic quotes things comes close |
| 01:17.21 | koji-sama | it says the makefile isnt in the directory |
| 01:17.32 | rking | stupid question: is there any freakn' way to make dpkg -l not truncate the package names? i guess i could ls /usr/share/doc... |
| 01:17.34 | koji-sama | and there makefile.am, makefile.in and makefile.dist |
| 01:17.35 | SerajewelKS | koji-sama, you done ./configure yet? |
| 01:17.36 | DaDave | abrotman: nah. that is not the only propblem of php. think of something like this "var_dump(hello)" where hello is _not_ a defined constant. |
| 01:17.37 | mccbaka | java also only binds the developer from errors in a specific number of ways. it doesn't truly guarantee type safety as say ML does, and it doesn't prevent errors that could be classified as "design by contract"-- the latter of which are probably more likely in java than other languages due to the emphasis on OO |
| 01:17.40 | abrotman | zinx: magic quotes only sucks when you aren't the admin :) |
| 01:17.44 | phogg | rking: COLUMNS=1000 |
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| 01:17.56 | abrotman | DaDave: i said that was a major source of problems in php code .. |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | i didn't say only |
| 01:18.23 | rking | phogg: gotcha - good one |
| 01:18.29 | SerajewelKS | magic quotes means one more subroutine for me... if (!get_magic_quotes_gpc()) { return addslashes($value); } return $value; |
| 01:18.36 | DaDave | abrotman: yeah but things like mapping non existing constants to strings is one thing that caused so many faults that i seen... |
| 01:18.37 | koji-sama | i did |
| 01:18.43 | SerajewelKS | koji-sama, did it succeed? |
| 01:18.48 | phogg | rking: 1000 is probably a bit much. 100 to 200 is usually fine |
| 01:18.49 | koji-sama | no |
| 01:18.58 | koji-sama | error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH |
| 01:19.00 | zinx | i still go with php over perl for webstuff, because it may suck, but at least it's consistent ;) |
| 01:19.04 | abrotman | DaDave: i don't know anyone who uses var_dump .. so i guess you know some piss poor coders :) |
| 01:19.12 | zinx | SerajewelKS: actually, you can disable them |
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| 01:19.26 | gentgeen__ | SerajewelKS, does that mean he needs gcc ? |
| 01:19.29 | SerajewelKS | zinx, but enable? |
| 01:19.29 | koji-sama | hold on let me install a c compiler |
| 01:19.31 | koji-sama | -_- |
| 01:19.38 | SerajewelKS | koji-sama, yeah you kinda need that... |
| 01:19.40 | DaDave | abrotman: or those new object oriented things in php. gush they are so ugly like those fucking "___constructor" things. man that looks so ugly... |
| 01:19.45 | SerajewelKS | koji-sama, apt-get install gcc |
| 01:19.48 | koji-sama | i just did |
| 01:19.48 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, ya, there you go :-) |
| 01:19.52 | abrotman | DaDave: C++ has the same syntax iirc |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | or can anyways |
| 01:19.58 | zinx | SerajewelKS: who the hell would want to enable magic quotes? |
| 01:20.03 | mccbaka | php5's oo is far superior to, at the least, php4's. |
| 01:20.08 | abrotman | zinx: ini_set() ? |
| 01:20.09 | DaDave | abrotman: you don't use var-dump? so how do you print out values for debuging purposes? |
| 01:20.11 | SerajewelKS | zinx, half of the commercial hosting services out there |
| 01:20.12 | zinx | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:20.14 | koji-sama | hm |
| 01:20.19 | abrotman | DaDave: the way they're supposed to be output |
| 01:20.20 | koji-sama | it says it cant get the host type |
| 01:20.25 | zinx | SerajewelKS: that's 'cause they're stupid and misguided :) |
| 01:20.32 | SerajewelKS | will ini_set() for magic quotes update the gpc arrays? |
| 01:20.40 | zinx | magicquotes is _NOT_ the proper way to protect against magic quotes |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you'd have to play with it .. |
| 01:20.46 | metaperl | i want a graphical utility like top that allows me to select a process and kill it |
| 01:20.47 | DaDave | abrotman: C++ isn't a good programming language. that was the reason why java and others was invented years ago. |
| 01:20.48 | zinx | erh |
| 01:20.54 | zinx | against untrusted user input |
| 01:21.01 | SerajewelKS | 'cause if i understand how PHP works, those arrays are already set before the script gets called |
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| 01:21.11 | abrotman | DaDave: you're really reaching .. basically from what i can tell you think every language except Java sucks .. and if that's the case .. you lose all your credibility |
| 01:21.21 | DaDave | abrotman: you sai you never used var_dump? how did you printed out arrays in PHP when you debug? |
| 01:21.26 | SerajewelKS | magic quotes are okay... they protect a lot of holes if the developer makes a mistake |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | DaDave: you just print them ... |
| 01:21.41 | zinx | SerajewelKS: no they don't. they make idiots think they're protected from a lot of holes. |
| 01:21.42 | SerajewelKS | print_r |
| 01:21.52 | SerajewelKS | zinx, true... |
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| 01:21.57 | interbird | say |
| 01:22.02 | DaDave | abrotman: i don't lose my credibility. i just might loose the credibility that _you think_ i have or not... |
| 01:22.05 | abrotman | echo $blah[]; yields Array :) |
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| 01:22.13 | zinx | i find for the stuff i do with php, i need to quote things differently a lot of the time anyway :/ |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | DaDave: ok .. i think you don't have any :) |
| 01:22.22 | DaDave | abrotman: are you reading what you typgin? |
| 01:22.26 | DaDave | *typing |
| 01:22.31 | abrotman | DaDave: yes .. i know exactly what i'm typing |
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| 01:22.44 | DaDave | echo $myarray[] does not work! |
| 01:22.46 | DaDave | damn! |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | yes it does |
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| 01:22.59 | abrotman | i've done it many many times |
| 01:23.02 | DaDave | abrotman: oh that would be new :-) |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | it would be old |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | DaDave: it prints the word "Array" |
| 01:23.32 | DaDave | abrotman: BUT NOT THE CONTENT YOU FOOL! |
| 01:23.35 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, I am sorry -- but trying to understand why even trying -- not being rude ... |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | DaDave: no shit .. YOU FOOL |
| 01:23.46 | SerajewelKS | how do i search for packages that provide ___? |
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| 01:23.50 | gentgeen__ | Doesn't KDE automount when you click on the icon? |
| 01:23.51 | dvs | I leave for a couple of hours and everyone is at each other's throats. |
| 01:23.58 | abrotman | DaDave: i don't care what's in the array ... if i want it .. i print each index ... please don't pretend you know more about PHP than me |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | dvs: you want some of this?!?!!? |
| 01:24.12 | DaDave | abrotman: what does it bring you for debuging when you know it's an array? you should know that already _before_ debuging! what you need for debuging is the CONTENT! |
| 01:24.16 | gentgeen__ | if you don't already have the icons on your desktop, can you just put them there (or somewhere else convenient) |
| 01:24.24 | Gospel | i am new to linux and been using a distro called Mepis! But Mepis is based on Debian, so I thought, WHY use something based on Debian, WHY NOT just use Debian itself? :) |
| 01:24.31 | ImFreaknStarvn | Foooood Fiiiiiiiiiighttt!!! I just felt like saying that |
| 01:24.31 | koji-sama | yes well i cant find the filesystems in dev or mnt |
| 01:24.33 | Gospel | :) |
| 01:24.37 | abrotman | Gospel: because we get in fights over dumb stuff |
| 01:24.41 | dvs | ooooooooohhhhhhhhh |
| 01:24.44 | Anders | DaDave, would you define Java as a real programming language? :) |
| 01:24.54 | Gospel | is Sarge the recommended Debian to start with? |
| 01:24.54 | DaDave | abrotman: i obviously know more a PHP than you. if you have never used var_dump that shows me that you don't know much about debuging in PHP. |
| 01:24.55 | abrotman | DaDave: i know exactly what i typed and what you said .. i know what var_dump is . and i think it's pretty silly to use .. ever |
| 01:25.05 | Gospel | abrotman: :) |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | DaDave: i know way more than you .. i would guarantee it :) |
| 01:25.21 | zinx | Gospel: because #debian is renowned for its hostility |
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| 01:25.23 | DaDave | abrotman: how will you know that you know more? you don't know me? |
| 01:25.28 | Gospel | abrotman: money bak gurantee? |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | DaDave: i know precisely what var_dump is .. and i think it's a waste to use |
| 01:25.38 | Gospel | zinx: heeh ok :) |
| 01:25.40 | interbird | Gospel: Well, it's probably what Mephis is derived from... |
| 01:25.47 | abrotman | Gospel: only as much as you paid to getin the channel :) |
| 01:25.48 | Gospel | who are the main OPS here? |
| 01:25.52 | abrotman | Mepis .. not Mephis |
| 01:25.59 | interbird | :-) |
| 01:26.02 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, abrotman -- remember the CRAP I mentioned that a newbie has to put up with here <GRIN> |
| 01:26.03 | abrotman | Gospel: there are about 10 |
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| 01:26.03 | dvs | No Elvis? |
| 01:26.10 | Gospel | interbird: yes, Mepis is based on Debian |
| 01:26.14 | DaDave | abrotman: so you reather choose to write a itteration for your array than just use var_dump when you need wuick debug output? man that's silly. |
| 01:26.14 | abrotman | gentgeen__: i didn't start it! |
| 01:26.16 | plb | phogg: thanks got mplayer working now ;] |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | DaDave: i didn't say that ... |
| 01:26.23 | gentgeen__ | rotflol |
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| 01:26.30 | ImFreaknStarvn | how do *actions* ?? |
| 01:26.33 | Navop | this action is cool....lol |
| 01:26.33 | ImFreaknStarvn | *like this?? |
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| 01:26.35 | DaDave | <abrotman> DaDave: i don't care what's in the array ... if i want it .. i print each index ... please don't pretend you know more about PHP than me |
| 01:26.39 | ImFreaknStarvn | * or this??? |
| 01:26.43 | ImFreaknStarvn | dammit |
| 01:26.46 | DaDave | abrotman: so you did say that! |
| 01:26.49 | interbird | Gospel: So you live with the sun and ask if the father is a good start ? |
| 01:26.51 | ImFreaknStarvn | ** ?? |
| 01:26.52 | liable | ImFreaknStarvn: /me |
| 01:26.53 | Gospel | is Sarge the recommended Debian to start with? what exact version Debian should I get being a 2 week newbie to Linux? |
| 01:26.55 | interbird | (son) |
| 01:26.59 | abrotman | DaDave: i said that if i need to debug an array contents .. it's probably already being analyzed inside a loop .. so obviously you can echo there .. otherwise .. i just want to know that it is indeed an array |
| 01:27.00 | ImFreaknStarvn | liable -thanks |
| 01:27.05 | dvs | Gospel: Get Sarge |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | ImFreaknStarvn: /me |
| 01:27.12 | SerajewelKS | let me rephrase that: is it POSSIBLE to search for packages that provide ___? |
| 01:27.13 | dvs | Gospel: Or 3.1r0a |
| 01:27.14 | abrotman | Gospel: yes |
| 01:27.21 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, stick with stable till used to it |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | Gospel: didn't we go over this this morning :) |
| 01:27.32 | interbird | Gospel: yes |
| 01:27.38 | Gospel | dvs: is Sarge newer than 3.1r0a? |
| 01:27.42 | DaDave | abrotman: i think you lie i some ways. i doubt that you are a much advanced PHP programmer. |
| 01:27.52 | Gospel | abrotman: yes we did, just making sure before I order it :) |
| 01:28.00 | abrotman | DaDave: it was my first job out of uni .. i was one of two developers for a .com .. trust me .. i know quite a bit :) |
| 01:28.04 | Gospel | im going to order Sarge CD's |
| 01:28.19 | Gospel | abrotman: whats your website? |
| 01:28.20 | Navop | lol |
| 01:28.22 | abrotman | ImFreaknStarvn: doesn't that hurt |
| 01:28.28 | abrotman | Gospel: my site now .. or the .com / |
| 01:28.28 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:28.39 | DaDave | abrotman: okay quiz for you. does php support prepared statements for mysql? |
| 01:28.41 | interbird | Gospel: Sarge is 3.1r0a |
| 01:28.41 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, do you have high-speed access?? |
| 01:28.42 | Gospel | abrotman: your site, would like to have a look if I may |
| 01:28.49 | abrotman | DaDave: i don't use mysql .. i don't know .. and i don't care |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | DaDave: anyone who uses mysql is a moron |
| 01:28.56 | koji-sama | i cant find any of my other partitions |
| 01:29.06 | dvs | yeah! |
| 01:29.10 | Gospel | gentgeen__: modem :( thats why I have to order it on CD's |
| 01:29.12 | DaDave | abrotman: damn now i know that you don't know php well. |
| 01:29.13 | xbmodder | how do you setup an AIM to IRC bridge? |
| 01:29.13 | abrotman | or doesn't need to be using a database :) |
| 01:29.15 | dvs | mysql ain't up to snuff |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | DaDave: right .. because i choose a technically superior database like postgresql? |
| 01:29.28 | gentgeen__ | Then stay with stable (woody0 |
| 01:29.36 | abrotman | DaDave: you obviously have no idea ... |
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| 01:29.47 | Gospel | gentgeen__: is woody older than Sarge? |
| 01:29.51 | dvs | Gospel: yes |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | mysql is a database that is only now getting where pgsql was .. 5+ years ago |
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| 01:29.56 | togs | ask abrotman the same question in regard to postgres |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | togs: ? |
| 01:30.06 | togs | then see what he knows |
| 01:30.08 | Gospel | gentgeen__: cant I just order Sarge? |
| 01:30.12 | DaDave | abrotman: sai what did you actually done in PHP? |
| 01:30.13 | liable | Gospel: yes |
| 01:30.18 | abrotman | DaDave: huh ? |
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| 01:30.20 | abrotman | sai? |
| 01:30.26 | dvs | say? |
| 01:30.30 | Gospel | liable: ok |
| 01:30.32 | gentgeen__ | But on dial-up his apt-get upgrades will be huge and often |
| 01:30.36 | dvs | or tell |
| 01:30.36 | interbird | Woody is the previous stable version of Debian.. |
| 01:30.37 | abrotman | togs: php kind of does .. but it's a crappy function that doesn't seem to work right IMO :) |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | dvs: i have no idea |
| 01:30.43 | DaDave | *say <- is'nt that obviosly? |
| 01:30.45 | liable | gentgeen__: for sarge? |
| 01:30.50 | abrotman | DaDave: no .. it's not obvious |
| 01:30.56 | Gospel | gentgeen__: are the upgrades essential all the time? |
| 01:30.58 | dvs | abrotman: I think DaDave means "tell" |
| 01:31.02 | abrotman | DaDave: what have i done? .. i've made flash in PHP :) |
| 01:31.04 | gentgeen__ | CRAP -- I was geting woody/sarge messed up |
| 01:31.08 | togs | abrotman: I wouldn't know, I'm not a coder :P |
| 01:31.10 | gentgeen__ | mind went back in time |
| 01:31.13 | abrotman | togs: ah ok |
| 01:31.21 | Gospel | gentgeen__: hehe ;) silly ;) |
| 01:31.22 | gentgeen__ | Sarge = stable |
| 01:31.24 | DaDave | abrotman: you generated SWF with these flashj libs in PHP. |
| 01:31.26 | DaDave | ? |
| 01:31.28 | rking | xorg is segfaulting for me after my first attempt to use it - is it probably better for me to just downgrade back to xfree86 or to press on with figuring out what's up with the segfault? |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | DaDave: no |
| 01:31.32 | gentgeen__ | I was saying woody=stable |
| 01:31.35 | Gospel | gentgeen__: so Ill order Sarge? |
| 01:31.36 | gentgeen__ | my fault |
| 01:31.37 | DaDave | abrotman: what then? |
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| 01:31.39 | gentgeen__ | yes |
| 01:31.42 | abrotman | DaDave: i've done tons of sites .. what do you want to knwo if i have done ? |
| 01:31.49 | Gospel | gentgeen__: great :) Sarge it is :) |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | made a CMS in PHP? .. yep .. done it :) |
| 01:31.57 | liable | ffs, when did #debin become battle of the admins? |
| 01:31.59 | DaDave | abrotman: do you have a url? |
| 01:32.07 | interbird | Good choise. |
| 01:32.07 | Gospel | liable: hehe |
| 01:32.10 | dvs | Gospel: Make sure it's 3.1r0a |
| 01:32.18 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, apt-get upgrades will be 1 or 2 a week at the most (usually) |
| 01:32.23 | Granden_ | MetaKit and Metakit-dev I cant find those in the apt-cache search metakit just some libmetakit is tht the same+ |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | DaDave: anything that was really good is gone(.com closed) .. or internal only .. |
| 01:32.34 | Gospel | dvs: ok! so theres diff versions of Sarge? And 3.1r0a being the latest? |
| 01:32.36 | gentgeen__ | I have a Sarge server and a testing (forget name) desktop |
| 01:32.40 | dvs | Gospel: yes |
| 01:32.42 | Gospel | gentgeen__: ok |
| 01:32.46 | SerajewelKS | time 3... how do i search for packages that provide ___? |
| 01:32.49 | Gospel | dvs: ok |
| 01:32.54 | DaDave | abrotman: hmm. a CMS? that is your biggest thing you made in PHP? |
| 01:32.55 | abrotman | DaDave: asking me for a url is useless .. you wouldn't even see the code :) |
| 01:32.56 | gentgeen__ | The desktop gets 24+ updates a week, but the server is maybe 1 or 2 a week |
| 01:33.02 | abrotman | DaDave: no .. not at all .. |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | DaDave: that is one thing .. |
| 01:33.13 | interbird | Gospel: IMHO Synaptic is great for upgrades -- other might disagree. |
| 01:33.30 | DaDave | abrotman: i can tell you a lot even from the frontend without the code. |
| 01:33.34 | paster | "BaW" at 67.122.138.135 pasted "asdasdasd" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/472 |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | DaDave: have you noticed i'm not asking you what you've done .. because you could tell me anything |
| 01:33.43 | Gospel | interbird: ok |
| 01:33.46 | abrotman | DaDave: that's such bullshit .. i don't do frontends ... |
| 01:34.05 | Gospel | is this a cat fight? :) |
| 01:34.08 | abrotman | DaDave: i leave that to the photoshop junkies |
| 01:34.15 | dvs | Gospel: Duh! ;-) |
| 01:34.17 | gentgeen__ | I just have a little script that I use, uses ssh to go to the 3 different machines and runs aptitude update && aptitude upgrade on each |
| 01:34.19 | ImFreaknStarvn | no its a FOOOOD FIIIIIIIIGHT |
| 01:34.21 | Gospel | my first day in #debian and I get to see a cat fight? :) cool |
| 01:34.25 | interbird | Cockfight |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | ImFreaknStarvn: can i get some pringles ? |
| 01:34.26 | DaDave | abrotman: you don't do frontends? do you actually know what the word frontend means? |
| 01:34.39 | abrotman | DaDave: i do almost all interaction with the DB now |
| 01:34.45 | gentgeen__ | Cockfight is the better term |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | DaDave: i get templates .. and work within that |
| 01:34.53 | Gospel | gentgeen__: lol |
| 01:34.53 | gentgeen__ | reminds me of SpaceBalls |
| 01:34.55 | Navop | frontend=the front end of my cadilac |
| 01:35.03 | abrotman | Navop: you have a caddie ? |
| 01:35.03 | interbird | Wise... |
| 01:35.07 | Overand | nobody picked up on my ' |
| 01:35.12 | Overand | 'photoshop junkie' joke. oh well |
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| 01:35.14 | Navop | use t o |
| 01:35.23 | abrotman | DaDave: this has gone on long enough .. we're flooding the channel with crap .. i'm done |
| 01:35.24 | DaDave | abrotman: so all you do is db interaction with PHP? ever tried with XML-parsing in php or something like that? |
| 01:35.27 | abrotman | DaDave: this has gone on long enough .. we're flooding the channel with crap .. i'm done |
| 01:35.30 | Gospel | Overand: lol |
| 01:35.30 | ImFreaknStarvn | i was laughing on the inside |
| 01:35.39 | Overand | Gospel: thanks |
| 01:35.40 | Overand | heh |
| 01:35.50 | Gospel | Overand: :) |
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| 01:36.11 | SerajewelKS | ok now that the flood has ended, can i ask my question for the fourth time? |
| 01:36.21 | gentgeen__ | even though I did not get it |
| 01:36.29 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: yeah .. Java is total garbage .. next question |
| 01:36.32 | dvs | !tell SerajewelKS -about search |
| 01:36.32 | DaDave | abrotman: okay, let's just end this. i think you don't know much about php. and i think you also don't know what a propper language looks like. but hey some just need time to understand... :-) |
| 01:36.39 | abrotman | DaDave: just fucking STOP |
| 01:36.46 | abrotman | DaDave: you have no idea ... just shut the hell up |
| 01:36.49 | liable | !troll DaDave |
| 01:36.59 | SerajewelKS | dvs, that has nothing to do with my question |
| 01:37.07 | abrotman | i'm not here to appease some dipshit |
| 01:37.10 | Gospel | liable: hehe |
| 01:37.11 | gentgeen__ | SerajewelKS, go ahead and ask |
| 01:37.15 | DaDave | !troll ??? |
| 01:37.15 | dpkg | methinks troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html |
| 01:37.24 | SerajewelKS | how do i search for a package that provides ___? |
| 01:37.26 | DaDave | nice |
| 01:37.34 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: apt-file search ___ ? |
| 01:37.44 | SerajewelKS | not file |
| 01:37.47 | SerajewelKS | provides a virtual package |
| 01:37.56 | abrotman | then you would just apt-cache search ? |
| 01:38.03 | gentgeen__ | SerajewelKS, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages also works |
| 01:38.08 | interbird | There's the 'flood' channel -- why is there not a 'fight' channel ? ---- apt, put this into your robotics.... |
| 01:38.09 | SerajewelKS | arg |
| 01:38.23 | Debird | dpkg: i am making note of that excellent definition |
| 01:38.26 | Debird | good call |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: what are you trying to search for |
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| 01:38.50 | togs | I would be in the wrong channel if I asked about mod_python and Apache2 on Debian, wouldn't I? :P |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | togs: depends on the context |
| 01:39.18 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, fvwm-themes |
| 01:39.24 | gentgeen__ | togs, as long as it is NOT about php |
| 01:39.30 | togs | hell no |
| 01:39.32 | Navop | lmao |
| 01:39.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, fvwm recommends it, but the package doesn't exist, so i assume something else provides it |
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| 01:40.16 | abrotman | gentgeen__: now in /msg .. yay |
| 01:40.21 | Gospel | gentgeen__: lol |
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| 01:40.34 | interbird | Don't get picked gentgeen__ : it hurts ! |
| 01:40.48 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, what is in /msg ?? |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | gentgeen__: it's continuing |
| 01:40.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: sid ? |
| 01:41.01 | Gospel | my first day in this channel and I love it already :) much action here :) |
| 01:41.04 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, etch |
| 01:41.04 | onedertow | if i can't mount an iso using the usual 'mount -t iso9660 -o loop=/dev/loop0', does this mean the data is corrupt? is there another way to do it (or a specific program that could help?) |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: what package is it lookign for ? |
| 01:41.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, fvwm recommends fvwm-themes |
| 01:41.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, fvwm-themes doesn't exist |
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| 01:41.45 | abrotman | !info fvwm-themes etch |
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| 01:41.51 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:41.53 | abrotman | !info fvwm-themes sid |
| 01:41.54 | SerajewelKS | yeah |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | !info fvwm-themes sarge |
| 01:42.02 | interbird | onedertow: You could try to copy the image using cdrdao or cdrecord ? |
| 01:42.02 | abrotman | wtf is going on |
| 01:42.03 | SerajewelKS | !info fvwm etch |
| 01:42.05 | dpkg | fvwm: (F(?) Virtual Window Manager, version 2.5), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.5.12-5 (etch), Packaged size: 2989 kB, Installed size: 7628 kB |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that package isn't anywhere in debian :) |
| 01:42.29 | SerajewelKS | !info fvwm-themes woody |
| 01:42.31 | onedertow | interbird, you mean actually burn the data? i dont have a cd burner |
| 01:42.49 | onedertow | or to output the data to a pipe, maybe |
| 01:42.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, which is weird... apt-get says it existed but doesn't (there is no installation candidate) |
| 01:43.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: are you sure you're not using .. some other debian distro :) |
| 01:43.06 | Gospel | gentgeen__: when I install Sarge, what desktop would you recommend? kde, gnome ? |
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| 01:43.19 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, Blackbox ;-) |
| 01:43.20 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, not unless apt-get converted mine |
| 01:43.23 | interbird | onedertow: Nope, just copy the raw image from the cd to a file and then mount -- or do you already have an iso as a file ? |
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| 01:43.35 | Gospel | gentgeen__: it comes with blackbox too? or I download that after? |
| 01:43.36 | abrotman | !depends fvwm etch |
| 01:43.54 | onedertow | interbird, already have the .iso. but that could be an idea, to have it cdrecord rewrite it. |
| 01:43.58 | gentgeen__ | if you get the full 7 cd set (which is what I would suggest since on a modem) |
| 01:44.15 | k-man | is there a way of isolating the input from various usb keyboards, and reporgramming the input from one of them? |
| 01:44.16 | Gospel | gentgeen__: 7 CD. wow |
| 01:44.19 | interbird | onedertow: Where does the iso come from ? -- audio -- data ? |
| 01:44.19 | gentgeen__ | that is what I did when i got it (bought woody when I was on a modem) |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | gentgeen__: 7? |
| 01:44.30 | dvs | Gospel: That's nothing. |
| 01:44.31 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 01:44.32 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 01:44.33 | onedertow | interbird, data |
| 01:44.43 | gentgeen__ | Woody was 7 -- not sure how many are on the FULL sarge set |
| 01:44.50 | Gospel | what on earth is one 7 cds? :p |
| 01:44.50 | togs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.55 | gentgeen__ | sure it is close to or more |
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| 01:45.00 | gentgeen__ | All the packages |
| 01:45.03 | rking | k-man: that's a good question - i hope you get an answer |
| 01:45.03 | koji-sama | hm |
| 01:45.13 | koji-sama | is there any reason why i cant find my other partitions? |
| 01:45.14 | ice_1963 | woody is 7 cd's |
| 01:45.16 | gentgeen__ | that way I did not have to download anything to install somehting new. |
| 01:45.21 | interbird | onedertow: tried specifying the fs-type on the mount-command ? |
| 01:45.24 | dvs | koji-sama: fdisk -l |
| 01:45.28 | k-man | rking, oh... |
| 01:45.28 | Gospel | gentgeen__: whats minimum HD to use for Sarge? 10 gig ok? |
| 01:45.32 | gentgeen__ | Only when I needed the updated version did apt go to the internet |
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| 01:45.35 | ice_1963 | sarge is 14 |
| 01:45.39 | dvs | Gospel: Plenty |
| 01:45.41 | gentgeen__ | 10 is more then enough |
| 01:45.41 | k-man | rking, which mailing list do you think would be good to ask that on? |
| 01:45.52 | Gospel | ice_1963: wow |
| 01:46.01 | onedertow | interbird, tried iso9660 and vfat and...something else. ntfs? its a whinedows game disc |
| 01:46.09 | Gospel | gentgeen__: ok! and I have another 20 gig as a slave too! |
| 01:46.16 | Gospel | gentgeen__: :) |
| 01:46.16 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, I would suggest to people to go with GNOME to accually answer your question |
| 01:46.17 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 01:46.22 | Gospel | dvs: ok great |
| 01:46.28 | Gospel | gentgeen__: ok thanks |
| 01:46.28 | rking | k-man: start with debian-user, then go up from there (debian-devel, i guess) |
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| 01:46.35 | interbird | onedertow: You have the disk you got the iso from ? |
| 01:46.35 | k-man | rking, ok, thanks |
| 01:46.49 | onedertow | interbird, no. its a download. |
| 01:46.50 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, though you may want to configure it to be more Windows like then Mac like |
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| 01:47.09 | Gospel | gentgeen__: ok |
| 01:47.19 | gentgeen__ | I.e. "start bar" to the bottom, not new windows when browsing, etc |
| 01:47.30 | koji-sama | any reason why i cant mount them then? |
| 01:47.44 | interbird | onedertow: mount -o loop <your.iso> /<mount-dir> does not work ? |
| 01:47.53 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, are they in your fstab??? |
| 01:48.03 | koji-sama | says they cant find it in there |
| 01:48.04 | koji-sama | so no |
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| 01:48.29 | Genetic | What is the difference between kernel-image and linux-image ? |
| 01:48.29 | ice_1963 | i run fluxbox on my p2 |
| 01:48.35 | Granden_ | When trying to install simgear I get "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp/" fails sanity check" what does that mean? What do I have to do? |
| 01:48.35 | gentgeen__ | drop to the command line, and try to mount your drives manually -- se what happens |
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| 01:48.42 | onedertow | interbird, no. i get error "must specify file type'..and when i specify '-t auto' i get "wrong fs type, bad superblock, or too many mounted filesystems" |
| 01:48.53 | gentgeen__ | ice_1963, fluxbox is just the bastard son of bb <GRIN> |
| 01:49.00 | Vegar | Granden_: check configure.log |
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| 01:49.35 | interbird | onedertow: Looks like a non-valid-iso, windows game you said ? :-) |
| 01:49.42 | onedertow | :) |
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| 01:50.06 | ice_1963 | ok if you sayso |
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| 01:50.24 | onedertow | interbird, yes. and ive successfully mounted other isos. damn! i really hoped there was another way.. the cdrecord piping might do something. |
| 01:51.18 | interbird | onedertow: Dunno, ask your windows game-supplier representative ? |
| 01:51.34 | koji-sama | gentgreen, you mean by using 'mount'? |
| 01:51.58 | onedertow | lol |
| 01:52.10 | interbird | :-) |
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| 01:53.05 | rking | onedertow: did you try mount -t vfat /blah blah |
| 01:53.14 | onedertow | rking, yes. |
| 01:53.16 | onedertow | :( |
| 01:53.26 | interbird | onedertow: You have a dvd in your pc ? |
| 01:53.39 | onedertow | interbird, no. just a cd-rom |
| 01:54.01 | interbird | onedertow: No dvd-player / writer ? |
| 01:54.04 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, yes |
| 01:54.15 | onedertow | the iso is 800mbs, and 'file blah.iso' just says data, so im unaware as to whether its a dvd iso or not. |
| 01:54.15 | gentgeen__ | what are you trying to mount again (sorry forgot) |
| 01:54.21 | onedertow | interbird, no dvdplayer or writer. |
| 01:54.39 | dvs | onedertow: Probably not |
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| 01:54.52 | koji-sama | another partition |
| 01:54.56 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I've started compiling my new kernel |
| 01:54.58 | koji-sama | it doest seem to be in fstab |
| 01:55.08 | dvs | OverDr1ve: You slept already? |
| 01:55.08 | gentgeen__ | ice_1963, not really fluxbox is really nice -- just not what I was used to ;-) |
| 01:55.19 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: hey ... you're back! :) |
| 01:55.26 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, what partion? hda# hdb# etc |
| 01:55.27 | OverDr1ve | dvs: Yeah, I went to bed at 2am, now it's 12pm |
| 01:55.30 | interbird | onedertow: Kee, then I'm out of cards; my reseller's number is: +31-20-RIPMYGAME :-) |
| 01:55.31 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Yeah :) |
| 01:55.32 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: in a better mood ? |
| 01:55.40 | koji-sama | i have a few of them i want to mount |
| 01:55.45 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Yeah, I guess I am. I was just tired as it was 2am |
| 01:55.47 | koji-sama | mainly hda2 |
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| 01:55.57 | onedertow | interbird, thanks. |
| 01:55.59 | ice_1963 | that's ok i use gnome to |
| 01:56.07 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I looked up a guide, and I'm compiling it the "debian way" lol |
| 01:56.25 | dvs | OverDr1ve: Which kernel? |
| 01:56.26 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, do you have a mount spot yet (/mnt/hda2 or maybe /mnt/temp or what ever) |
| 01:56.28 | ice_1963 | on my xp 28+ |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: /msg dpkg kp |
| 01:56.40 | OverDr1ve | dvs: 2.6.11, as 2.6.12 breaks fglrx |
| 01:56.42 | koji-sama | no |
| 01:56.44 | koji-sama | nothing in mnt |
| 01:57.02 | gentgeen__ | I accually keep coming back to blackbox -- I keep checking out the others, then come back |
| 01:57.07 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | gentgeen__: you have no idea how stupid this guy is :) |
| 01:57.16 | gentgeen__ | mkdir /mnt/temp |
| 01:57.26 | gentgeen__ | yes, I see that he is a newbie |
| 01:57.31 | abrotman | gentgeen__: not him .. |
| 01:57.31 | gentgeen__ | not stupid |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | gentgeen__: the other guy |
| 01:57.38 | rking | how does one run xfree86 after xorg has been installed? |
| 01:57.39 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Yeah, my instructions were something like that, I'm just waiting for the "make-kpkg" command to finish. |
| 01:57.40 | dvs | hey! |
| 01:57.46 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: good |
| 01:58.08 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: then what? |
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| 01:58.12 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: oh wait |
| 01:58.14 | ice_1963 | is blackbox like fluxbox ???? |
| 01:58.15 | abrotman | !bless OverDr1ve |
| 01:58.16 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child OverDr1ve, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 01:58.20 | TwistedEmotions | rking: Why would one WANT to run xfree86? |
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| 01:58.30 | abrotman | ice_1963: yes .. that's where fluxbox came from |
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| 01:58.42 | koji-sama | okay |
| 01:58.53 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Er... what? |
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| 01:59.02 | solidliq_ | !find ccache |
| 01:59.04 | dpkg | ccache: (Compiler results cacher, for fast recompiles), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 57 kB |
| 01:59.10 | rking | TwistedEmotions: because xorg is segfaulting (and has done so since i upgraded) |
| 01:59.12 | gentgeen__ | ice_1963, fluxbox was basically a split of blackbox when bb development kind of went into hidding |
| 01:59.13 | ice_1963 | i love fluxbox here |
| 01:59.19 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: You calling me stupid? |
| 01:59.29 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: absoltely not |
| 01:59.32 | RogueDopple | he he |
| 01:59.34 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: i was refverrting to someone else |
| 01:59.36 | solidliq_ | !find distcc |
| 01:59.38 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'distcc' (2): distcc ;; distccmon-gnome. |
| 01:59.41 | gentgeen__ | fluxbox then jumped ahead -- lots of really nice pluses |
| 01:59.45 | TwistedEmotions | rking: then pull xorg... and reinstall xfree86 |
| 01:59.46 | gentgeen__ | just not what I wanted/used to |
| 01:59.53 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Okay, and why am I about to "do something stupid"? |
| 01:59.57 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: are you calling me sexy? |
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| 02:00.01 | rking | TwistedEmotions: yeah, i guess that makes sense |
| 02:00.07 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: it was just a friendly blessing |
| 02:00.10 | rking | abrotman: are you calling me on the phone? |
| 02:00.10 | solidliq_ | !find icc |
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| 02:00.14 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Okay cool :) |
| 02:00.17 | TwistedEmotions | rking: What distrib you running? |
| 02:00.22 | abrotman | rking: you're god ? |
| 02:00.28 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, please enter my name first so I don't loose you.... |
| 02:00.41 | gentgeen__ | Did not realize you were done with that yet ;-) |
| 02:00.42 | rking | TwistedEmotions: etch |
| 02:00.46 | TwistedEmotions | rking: testing or sid? |
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| 02:00.48 | gentgeen__ | most will let you tab-complete |
| 02:00.51 | koji-sama | sorry : ) |
| 02:00.59 | rking | TwistedEmotions: sid, yep |
| 02:01.10 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, np -- anyway you want to now do a mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/temp |
| 02:01.20 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I've compiled in support for ATAPI devices and compiled in iso9660 support |
| 02:01.29 | gentgeen__ | this is to make sure everything works before putting it into fstab |
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| 02:01.37 | k0k | puta madre |
| 02:01.38 | dvs | OverDr1ve: And udf? |
| 02:01.38 | TwistedEmotions | rking: I know there is a segment fault with xorg but I dont know exactly who it effects... might want to check before switching to xfree86... might want to ask abrotman he knows more then I do... |
| 02:01.39 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: well .. iso9660 might have been overkill |
| 02:01.42 | k0k | aqui si hay gente |
| 02:01.42 | OverDr1ve | dvs: Yes |
| 02:01.46 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: did you compile in your ide chipset ? |
| 02:01.50 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Yes |
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| 02:01.56 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: yay |
| 02:02.03 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: know more about what? |
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| 02:02.18 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: The only things I made modules was my ALSA driver (snd-intel8x0) and agpgart. |
| 02:02.32 | koji-sama | gentgeen__, i tried mounting /mnt/temp and it still gives me the same error |
| 02:02.35 | rking | TwistedEmotions: i may have a busted ABI transition - i was having a killer usb problem all day today, turned out downgrading usbmgr (whose changelog.Debian.gz just said "ABI update") fixed it |
| 02:02.35 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: And then I have to compile the fglrx kernel module once I've installed the kernel. |
| 02:02.37 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: about segmentation fault with xorg. |
| 02:02.41 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: wow .. at least you remembered agpgart has to be a module :) |
| 02:02.51 | abrotman | rking: custom kernel ? |
| 02:02.53 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, (thanks for the name ;-) ) what was the error? |
| 02:02.57 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I'm not that stupid :) |
| 02:03.04 | rking | abrotman: nope - 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: i never said you were :) |
| 02:03.15 | rking | abrotman: and the nvidia proprietary driver |
| 02:03.25 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: but we have people who insist on compiling it in .. then don't understand why DRI won't work |
| 02:03.27 | koji-sama | can't find /mnt/temp in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 02:03.32 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I know. fglrx comes with it's own agpgart anyway, so the one that comes with Linux needs to be disabled. |
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| 02:03.36 | abrotman | rking: oh .. have you tried the vesa driver ? |
| 02:03.52 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Yeah. fglrx is a fucking bitch. I wish I had an NVidia card. |
| 02:03.53 | rking | abrotman: nope - let me reinstall xserver-xorg and try vesa. |
| 02:03.57 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, as root you type in "mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/temp" without the quotes |
| 02:04.15 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: BTW, I use XF86 just because it was in the repository. Does that means I'm nuts? |
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| 02:04.31 | koji-sama | oh there |
| 02:04.43 | koji-sama | no error |
| 02:04.56 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I don't see how it's that different to Xorg, anyway |
| 02:04.56 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: nope . it's what i use |
| 02:05.05 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: just the future direction |
| 02:05.09 | gentgeen__ | koji-sama, do an 'ls /mnt/temp' |
| 02:05.10 | abrotman | rking: good plan |
| 02:05.17 | gentgeen__ | do you see what you expect to see? |
| 02:05.18 | solidliq_ | anyone know how to get an ati mobility radeon working in debian sarge? |
| 02:05.20 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: :) |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: i'd never wish for nvidia :) |
| 02:05.34 | abrotman | !tell solidliq_ about ati |
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| 02:05.52 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, no nvidia? -- I really like mine |
| 02:05.54 | abrotman | where was mwilson for all that .. |
| 02:06.09 | solidliq_ | cool, thanx |
| 02:06.12 | abrotman | gentgeen__: i have intel... totally open drivers .. and i don't play many games .. so i don't care :) |
| 02:06.25 | cheale1 | damn nvidia. if *at least* their binary drivers weren't always crashing my X/box |
| 02:06.42 | rking | abrotman: ha! vesa worked just fine. i bet all i needed was to recompile nvidia drivers for xorg. should i bother, or do you think the vesa drivers can keep me happy? |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | rking: oh wait |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | !xorg nvidia |
| 02:06.54 | abrotman | !nvidia xorg |
| 02:06.55 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Why> |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 02:06.58 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 02:07.03 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: ? |
| 02:07.11 | chealer | heh...vesa is vesa |
| 02:07.12 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: i'd rather never deal with ATI or nVidia :) |
| 02:07.12 | koji-sama | gentgeen__, so do i edit the partition into fstab? |
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| 02:07.25 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Oh, I get you now! |
| 02:07.30 | chealer | nvidia -> sucks. ATI -> sucks since a while too |
| 02:07.43 | OverDr1ve | chealer: Then what's good? |
| 02:07.45 | chealer | I bought an Intel GMA 900 for my laptop |
| 02:07.48 | dvs | chealer: If not Nvidia or ATI then what? |
| 02:08.08 | chealer | I don't expect it to impress me |
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| 02:09.04 | abrotman | dvs: i have intel ... i don't play many game s.. so . it's "good enough" |
| 02:09.11 | abrotman | dvs: though .. before that i had a matrox :) |
| 02:09.38 | chealer | oh. did parhelias(?) have good linux drivers? |
| 02:09.42 | dvs | Man! Off the beaten track! |
| 02:09.56 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Do I really need an initrd? |
| 02:09.57 | rking | abrotman: when i try to install the nvidia drivers, it fails, complaining about the mismatch between the gcc that compiled the kernel and the one that would compile the driver - i'll just stick to vesa until some of this ABI biznass settles down, right? |
| 02:10.00 | abrotman | chealer: i had G550 or something .. not parhelia |
| 02:10.04 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: no |
| 02:10.09 | dvs | OverDr1ve: No WAY!!!!! |
| 02:10.22 | OverDr1ve | abrotman, dvs: The this guide has lied to me. :) |
| 02:10.24 | abrotman | chealer: maybe G450 . or G400 |
| 02:10.34 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: you dont' need initrd .. some people like it |
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| 02:10.37 | solidliq_ | rking: just build a new kernel, then install the nvidia drivers.... it's not hard |
| 02:10.42 | dvs | OverDr1ve: If you roll your own kernel, stay away from it |
| 02:10.44 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: What is the point of it? |
| 02:10.47 | OverDr1ve | dvs: Okay. |
| 02:10.50 | lotsacache | Hello |
| 02:10.50 | abrotman | !initrd |
| 02:10.50 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 02:10.51 | x-Al1gma | hello lotsacache |
| 02:10.54 | chealer | abrotman: ok. my friend already used a G400...5 years ago |
| 02:11.00 | shimano55 | Can you use .wal and .wsz as XMMS skins? |
| 02:11.21 | abrotman | chealer: yeah .. it was a Dual PIII i had it in .. fucking broken agp crap from HP |
| 02:11.27 | lotsacache | Can anyone help me get my scroll-mouse to scroll? |
| 02:11.30 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Well I'm gonna go test this beast :) |
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| 02:11.34 | abrotman | !whell |
| 02:11.36 | abrotman | !wheel |
| 02:11.36 | dpkg | from memory, wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. A person who has an active wheel bit (A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some restricted operation on a timesharing system like TENEX/TOPS-20/XEROX-IFS...). Irrelevant in debian default configs; don't use it unless you have a specific reason to do so. |
| 02:11.40 | abrotman | erm .. |
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| 02:11.53 | abrotman | !mousewheel |
| 02:11.53 | dpkg | Info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
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| 02:12.07 | neoxan | blu |
| 02:12.14 | neoxan | sup |
| 02:12.23 | lotsacache | Thanks a bunch. |
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| 02:14.45 | abrotman | god .. i wasted so much time with that guy .. grr |
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| 02:15.45 | imango | hi, could any one tell me about the best most used download manager used in linux |
| 02:15.48 | imango | ??\ |
| 02:15.53 | Kelv | wget |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | imango: wget .. gwget ... firefox ? |
| 02:16.15 | dondelelcaro | who bothers with a "download manager"? |
| 02:16.18 | goedel | can this script be optimized? http://channels.debian.net/paste/473 |
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| 02:16.32 | abrotman | i'm not sure what qualifies as a download manager anymore |
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| 02:16.52 | imango | Kelv: But wget restart the job all over if it is stop halph way |
| 02:17.03 | abrotman | goedel: might want to ask #bash |
| 02:17.04 | Kelv | abrotman: gwget looks cool :) |
| 02:17.07 | abrotman | imango: man bash .. yes |
| 02:17.09 | dondelelcaro | imango: no, it doesn't. |
| 02:17.13 | goedel | thanks abrotman |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | imango: err .. man wget .. it can |
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| 02:17.20 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: no go ? |
| 02:17.21 | Kelv | imango: I think wget supports resume right |
| 02:17.23 | eonbleuz | when i go to startx it returns "no core pointer" and says that /dev/input/mice is not found |
| 02:17.28 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: It gets a kernel panic. |
| 02:17.30 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: It can't load the root fs |
| 02:17.34 | dvs | Uh oh |
| 02:17.34 | eonbleuz | what do i need to change in XF86Config-4? |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: wget -b -c ? |
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| 02:17.43 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: what is your rootfs ? |
| 02:17.43 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I tried both ATA and SCSI (hda3 and sda3) |
| 02:17.52 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: reiser, and I compiled in support for it |
| 02:18.11 | dvs | Oh. No wonder. |
| 02:18.19 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: or just -c... |
| 02:18.29 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: is it possible you didn't get the right chipset/ide stuff? |
| 02:18.36 | rking | eonbleuz: try downgrading usbmgr - i had that exact problem |
| 02:18.36 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: No. It was right. |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: -b is a habit .. i didn't mean to include it :) |
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| 02:18.54 | dvs | OverDr1ve: And it's a PATA drive? |
| 02:18.56 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I always used to have this problem, it's why I never used Debian |
| 02:19.01 | OverDr1ve | dvs: No, it's a SATA drive. |
| 02:19.05 | dvs | Ah |
| 02:19.08 | eonbleuz | rking would usbmgr affect my mouse if it's a touchpad? |
| 02:19.08 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: did you include SCSI support ? |
| 02:19.12 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Yes. |
| 02:19.16 | eonbleuz | and how would i go about downgrading it |
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| 02:19.55 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: hrm ... |
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| 02:20.00 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Maybe I should just avoid Debian... |
| 02:20.12 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Not saying that it's bad, but it's the only distro I can't get a 2.6 kernel to compile in. |
| 02:20.13 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: or get a new computer! |
| 02:20.18 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: My computer is fine. |
| 02:20.25 | rking | eonbleuz: oh, ha! maybe i'm overestimating my fix - i just figured since it happened today to me it would be happening to you |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: you're sure you didn't miss an option(i don't use reiser so i can't help you there) |
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| 02:20.39 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Yes. |
| 02:20.51 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Maybe I should just use 2.4? |
| 02:21.00 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: yeah . but that kind of sucks ... |
| 02:21.01 | Kelv | OverDr1ve, did you compile in reiser support? |
| 02:21.07 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Yes it does. |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: wanna try a 2.6.11 from sid ? |
| 02:21.11 | OverDr1ve | Kelv: Yes, of course I did. |
| 02:21.17 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Yeah, it couldn't hurt to. |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: it should work .. |
| 02:21.19 | rking | eonbleuz: was it working for you before? |
| 02:21.32 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I just change "sarge" to "sid" in sources.list? |
| 02:21.36 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: although .. you might need a newer module-init-tools .. and/or udev |
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| 02:21.54 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I don't have udev installed. |
| 02:22.01 | sporkbomb | jesus |
| 02:22.03 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Could that be it? |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: what if you take the config from the 2.6.8-2-686-smp .. and then use that to compile your own ? |
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| 02:22.17 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: oh wait .. that won't work |
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| 02:22.21 | rking | eonbleuz: try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/usbmgr_1.0.0-3_i386.deb - if it doesn't help then you can apt-get remove usbmgr and apt-get install usbmgr to get it back to sub-version 4 instead of 3 |
| 02:22.22 | abrotman | boo initrd |
| 02:22.24 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: It could! |
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| 02:22.41 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I'd take it, then check the agpgart and SCSI options |
| 02:22.59 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: But it'd achieve the same as what I've already got |
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| 02:23.14 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: you can try .. you'll need more than just those two .. it will modularize a lot of stuff .. you'd have to compile it is |
| 02:23.17 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: What's udev? |
| 02:23.18 | abrotman | err it in |
| 02:23.20 | abrotman | !udev |
| 02:23.20 | dpkg | udev is, like, at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 02:23.37 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: lol @ broken and shit |
| 02:23.48 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: So people don't like it then? |
| 02:23.50 | abrotman | yeah .. udev isn't very popular at the moment |
| 02:23.53 | Gospel | whats the official debian website? debian.org ? |
| 02:24.00 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: i have no problems with it .. but some do |
| 02:24.02 | abrotman | Gospel: yep |
| 02:24.05 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: What does it do? |
| 02:24.15 | rking | eonbleuz: the easy way to test this without having to start x is to "sudo cat /dev/input/mice" |
| 02:24.18 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: One FAQ leads to another, heh |
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| 02:24.33 | Gospel | abrotman: great :) any other debian websites that are good for newbies and has forums etc? |
| 02:24.34 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: oh .. i'm sure |
| 02:24.44 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Well let's try this sid kernel |
| 02:24.55 | dvs | Now that's asking for trouble. |
| 02:25.01 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Do I just replace sarge with sid in sources.list? |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | dvs: what is |
| 02:25.06 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Or is it unstable? |
| 02:25.11 | dvs | A sid kernel |
| 02:25.11 | abrotman | Gospel: debianhelp.org is all i know of |
| 02:25.32 | abrotman | Gospel: planet.debian.org is good reading .. debianplanet.org used to be |
| 02:25.34 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: if you really have to ask that question, I'd strongly suggest not using sid until you can answer it. |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | dvs: would you like to help OverDr1ve figure out his problem? |
| 02:25.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: just the kernel |
| 02:25.58 | dvs | abrotman: No thanks |
| 02:25.59 | abrotman | hopefully just the kernel :) |
| 02:26.02 | OverDr1ve | dvs: lol |
| 02:26.13 | Gospel | abrotman: great thanks |
| 02:26.18 | dvs | I don't have a SATA drive |
| 02:26.26 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I'm thinking this is kinda stupid, this should "just work". |
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| 02:26.29 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: if you're just upgrading the kernel, visit package.debian.org; find the kernel deb that you want, download it, and install it with dpkg -i. |
| 02:26.38 | blah123 | hey X has its own mouse system right? as in I dont need to install gpm? |
| 02:26.43 | dvs | dondelelcaro: did that. Didn't work. |
| 02:26.56 | rking | blah123: correct - although you can make them play together if you want. |
| 02:27.06 | Gospel | i just compiled my first linux program :) now whats best way to install it? its xchat |
| 02:27.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what about initrd or module-init-tools |
| 02:27.15 | dondelelcaro | dvs: what was the failure message? |
| 02:27.17 | rking | Gospel: make install |
| 02:27.22 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Maybe I might have to choose another distro, because I don't like all these stupid problems. |
| 02:27.23 | SerajewelKS | Gospel, why didn't you apt-get install xchat? |
| 02:27.24 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Kernel panic |
| 02:27.26 | rking | Gospel: sudo make install; really |
| 02:27.30 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, Debianhelp.org |
| 02:27.32 | Gospel | rking: I did "make" already |
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| 02:27.34 | sporkbomb | OverDr1ve: yes...you do that. |
| 02:27.36 | dondelelcaro | dvs: that's not the error message |
| 02:27.39 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: it's just the kernel .. not even that important :) |
| 02:27.43 | Gospel | gentgeen__: ok ;) |
| 02:27.44 | blah123 | rking: I installed gpm on accident, and now I have no mouse in xwindows, I removed gpm and I still dont. how do I get the xwindows system to use its mouse system and forget about gpm |
| 02:27.46 | rking | Gospel: ./configure; make; sudo make install |
| 02:27.47 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Can't find root file system |
| 02:27.50 | chealer | Gospel: why and how did you compile it? |
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| 02:27.56 | Gospel | SerajewelKS: because I wanted to compile for fun |
| 02:27.57 | abrotman | dvs: for OverDr1ve ? |
| 02:28.02 | dvs | abrotman: yes |
| 02:28.05 | SerajewelKS | Gospel, for the love of god, compile but don't install |
| 02:28.10 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, looking for the otherone I like -- pretty new one with easy howtos |
| 02:28.11 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Well I really don't see what's wrong here. This is a problem that doesn't make sense and it's worked fine in every other distro. :| |
| 02:28.13 | Gospel | chealer: I dl source, and then configure and then make |
| 02:28.13 | SerajewelKS | Gospel, unless you want to have fun uninstalling it cleanly later |
| 02:28.17 | dondelelcaro | dvs: then you don't have the proper module for the root filesystem on your initrd or you don't have the proper root fs set. |
| 02:28.21 | abrotman | dvs: his original problem is that the 2.6 kernels in sarge don't see his dvd drive .. and the bug is listed in the bts with no real resolution |
| 02:28.25 | Gospel | gentgeen__: ok |
| 02:28.26 | dvs | dondelelcaro: It's reiser |
| 02:28.27 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: It's a shame, because I chose Debian in favour of APT |
| 02:28.31 | imango | Kelv: you are right , wget -c will resume the dowload. thanks |
| 02:28.44 | chealer | Gospel: that's not the debian way to do it. if you're doing it for fun, don't forget the fun of RTFM |
| 02:28.44 | dondelelcaro | dvs: then you don't have the module in your initrd most likely. What was the exact error message? |
| 02:28.45 | Kelv | imango, no probs :) |
| 02:28.46 | rking | blah123: what distro and X are you using? |
| 02:29.12 | blah123 | debian sarge, and X thats comes with debian, Xfree86-common umm I can look up the version but its what every comes with sarge |
| 02:29.13 | ImFreaknStarvn | whats a really simple webserver (i just want to make a local server) |
| 02:29.19 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Hey. It's not me. It's OverDr1ve |
| 02:29.22 | abrotman | ImFreaknStarvn: apache :) |
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| 02:29.34 | OverDr1ve | dondelelcaro: I don't have an initrd |
| 02:29.42 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: if you're using a Debian kernel, you do. |
| 02:29.47 | OverDr1ve | dondelelcaro: I was strongly advised against making one. |
| 02:29.50 | dvs | OverDr1ve: You don't need one for your own. |
| 02:29.57 | ImFreaknStarvn | abrotman,: are u kidding (ikm a newb so i don't know) isnt apache compicated as hell? |
| 02:29.58 | dondelelcaro | especially if you're using reiser fs. |
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| 02:30.00 | OverDr1ve | dondelelcaro: I compiled this myself. |
| 02:30.01 | Gospel | if I wan to upgrade xchat, is the command "apt-get install xchat" or "apt-get upgrade xchat" ? |
| 02:30.01 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, aboutdebian.com |
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| 02:30.15 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, #2 |
| 02:30.15 | Gospel | gentgeen__: great thanks |
| 02:30.19 | OverDr1ve | ImFreaknStarvn: Apache is easy to setup :) |
| 02:30.20 | dvs | Gospel: install |
| 02:30.25 | blah123 | rking: any ideas? |
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| 02:30.28 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: well, then recompile it and compile in the driver for reiser fs and make sure that you've specified the root properly. |
| 02:30.31 | gentgeen__ | or just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 02:30.34 | Gospel | gentgeen__: #2? so "apt-get upgrade xchat" ? |
| 02:30.37 | gentgeen__ | and take care of everything |
| 02:30.37 | ImFreaknStarvn | ok thanks |
| 02:30.45 | BourneAgain | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.45 | gentgeen__ | yes -- assuming it is installed already |
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| 02:30.51 | OverDr1ve | dondelelcaro: I checked it several times, reiser IS compiled in. |
| 02:30.54 | BourneAgain | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.57 | Gospel | dvs: even if I am upgrading, I still use install xchat? |
| 02:30.59 | mccbaka | usually in .bashrc |
| 02:31.04 | dvs | Where's greycat? He should get 50 cents soon |
| 02:31.07 | Kelv | BourneAgain, it just loads your default shell |
| 02:31.11 | Kelv | when you login |
| 02:31.16 | perdenab_ | AARRGGH -- i just upgrade my kernel to 2.6.8, and eth0 has disappeared |
| 02:31.18 | BourneAgain | mccbaka: Where is that file located? |
| 02:31.20 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: you either didn't compile in the driver, or you've changed from no udev to udev, or vice versa and haven't updated the root fs; or the device that the rootfs is on has changed. |
| 02:31.22 | dvs | Gospel: If xchat is already installed that it will be upgraded automatically |
| 02:31.25 | perdenab_ | so has my framebuffer and mouse too, apparently |
| 02:31.29 | Gospel | gentgeen__: so does that work for all programs! eg, Firefox! I would type "apt-get upgrade firefox" ? |
| 02:31.40 | OverDr1ve | dondelelcaro: I don't even have udev installed |
| 02:31.46 | perdenab_ | the old kernel used eth16i, but modprobe eth16i returns an error that no such card is found |
| 02:31.46 | mccbaka | bouneagain: in your home directory is a file named .bash_profile and another named .bashrc. .bash_profile is actually the one that will be executed |
| 02:31.48 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: well, so it's the latter. Look at the dmesg output and make sure the root= option jives with what you've set as the root fs. |
| 02:31.55 | Gospel | dvs: ah ok! so i can use install or upgrade with same results? |
| 02:32.03 | mccbaka | bourne: .bashrc is something else, i made a mistake above |
| 02:32.07 | sporkbomb | Gospel: you really should go read the manual. |
| 02:32.09 | OverDr1ve | dondelelcaro: Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda3 ro |
| 02:32.09 | OverDr1ve | VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem). |
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| 02:32.24 | dvs | Gospel: No, install installs a package that wasn't there before. Upgrade upgrades an existing package. |
| 02:32.24 | OverDr1ve | dondelelcaro: That's with my running 2.4.27 Debian kernel |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: don't you have sata drives? |
| 02:32.27 | Gospel | sporkbomb: i will |
| 02:32.31 | sporkbomb | Gospel: thanks |
| 02:32.35 | Gospel | brb reading |
| 02:32.36 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Yes I do, but 2.4.27 doesn't recognise SATA as sda |
| 02:32.36 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: sata in 2.4 is hda .. in 2.6.. sda |
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| 02:32.54 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: I'm well aware - that's why I changed my fstab and menu.lst to sda |
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| 02:33.08 | Gospel | dvs: ok thanks |
| 02:33.11 | perdenab_ | can someone suggest how i can get my eth0 back under sarge? |
| 02:33.12 | dvs | OverDr1ve: Wouldn't it be /dev/hde3 or something like that? |
| 02:33.28 | lotsacache | Hello |
| 02:33.29 | x-Al1gma | hello lotsacache |
| 02:33.29 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: what is the exact error message you're getting from the kernel? And what is the dmesg output for your SATA device under the new kernel? |
| 02:33.31 | OverDr1ve | dvs: Why would it be that? |
| 02:33.31 | Gospel | dvs: but u said earlier that install will do that too, upgrade, yes? |
| 02:33.32 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: ok .. just making sure :) |
| 02:33.32 | dvs | in 2.6? |
| 02:33.40 | Gospel | dvs Gospel: If xchat is already installed that it will be upgraded automatically |
| 02:33.45 | abrotman | Gospel: it's you |
| 02:33.45 | OverDr1ve | dondelelcaro: I can't run dmesg, I get a damn kernel panic. I can't do anything. |
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| 02:33.47 | dvs | Gospel: yes |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | Gospel: err ."you" :) |
| 02:34.00 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: Uh, the output that you see IS the dmesg output. |
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| 02:34.08 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: watch it as you boot. |
| 02:34.09 | Gospel | abrotman: :) |
| 02:34.10 | dvs | OverDr1ve: Because it'll treat all IDE with the same driver. |
| 02:34.14 | potente | hola |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:34.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:34.21 | OverDr1ve | dondelelcaro: Yeah, but I can't scroll, because it's dead. |
| 02:34.29 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: what's the last line ? |
| 02:34.29 | potente | hay alguien aca |
| 02:34.33 | abrotman | i think that's what he's asking |
| 02:34.37 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: that's fine. |
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| 02:34.44 | lotsacache | Can anyone help me get my sound card to work? |
| 02:34.45 | dondelelcaro | OverDr1ve: you can watch it fly by and see what it says |
| 02:34.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell lotsacache -about ask |
| 02:35.00 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, u r 2 worried about u |
| 02:35.02 | gentgeen__ | tee hee |
| 02:35.02 | potente | hay alguien que me lea |
| 02:35.12 | OverDr1ve | abrotman, dondelelcaro: Alright fine - give me two minutes and I will tell you the exact error. |
| 02:35.18 | abrotman | gentgeen__: that's the one that really gets me .. |
| 02:35.35 | potente | hola |
| 02:35.40 | gentgeen__ | <GRIN> |
| 02:35.45 | abrotman | potente: /j #debian-es |
| 02:35.48 | Gospel | !es |
| 02:35.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:35.57 | potente | parece que aca no hay nadie que me comprenda |
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| 02:36.08 | dvs | you don't understand? |
| 02:36.14 | abrotman | potente: /j #debian-es por favor .. no habla espanol aqui |
| 02:36.33 | potente | gracias abrotman |
| 02:36.48 | abrotman | and people say i can't speak spanish :) |
| 02:37.12 | potente | sorry |
| 02:37.17 | abrotman | s'alright :) |
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| 02:37.39 | potente | i from chile |
| 02:37.51 | TwistedEmotions | Im from guacamole.. |
| 02:37.59 | TwistedEmotions | Sorry.. I had to. |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: that's not nice |
| 02:38.04 | dvs | TwistedEmotions: you fruit |
| 02:38.04 | potente | jajja |
| 02:38.05 | TwistedEmotions | ;( Sorry. |
| 02:38.10 | perdenab_ | help - i upgraded from woody to sarge and now eth0 has disappeared |
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| 02:38.26 | perdenab_ | googling has not returned any results that work for me |
| 02:38.26 | TwistedEmotions | dvs: your one to speak vegitable man. |
| 02:38.28 | dvs | perdenab_: lspci | grep Eth |
| 02:38.39 | TwistedEmotions | hahah |
| 02:38.41 | lewwy | Hey guys, I have a problem. I was in KDE using my debian based OS as normal, when i had to reset my computer into windows. So I hit the restart button on the computer (it's bad, i know, but i've never had problems before) and then use windows. When I finally got back into ubuntu after another reboot, fsck spits out all these errors, so i reboot again. When i get into KDE and it auto logins, it hits an error regarding the login. I can' |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | dvs: eth ? |
| 02:38.47 | OverDr1ve | abrotman, dondelelcaro: VFS: Cammpt p[em rppt device "sda3" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 02:38.52 | abrotman | lewwy: debian based OS ? |
| 02:38.54 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: was it you that was going to iran? |
| 02:38.58 | dvs | abrotman: I think Eth is right |
| 02:38.58 | potente | adios |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: no |
| 02:39.02 | OverDr1ve | abrotman, dondelelcaro: VFS: Cannot open root device "sda3" or unknown-block(0,0) ** |
| 02:39.07 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: just kidding. |
| 02:39.08 | OverDr1ve | Sorry, extreme typos |
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| 02:39.16 | abrotman | dvs: -i eth ? :) |
| 02:39.19 | lewwy | abrotman, yes, my OS is based on debian |
| 02:39.21 | dvs | OverDr1ve: I'd try hde3. |
| 02:39.22 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, look at you using the bot already ;-0 |
| 02:39.28 | OverDr1ve | dvs: Why??? |
| 02:39.30 | abrotman | lewwy: so what is it really ? |
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| 02:39.36 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:39.37 | dvs | OverDr1ve: Why not? You tried a |
| 02:39.40 | abrotman | lewwy: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:39.41 | dvs | everything else |
| 02:39.42 | lewwy | abrotman, Ubuntu *shame* |
| 02:39.45 | shimano55 | guess no one knows |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | shimano55: you spoke? |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | :) |
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| 02:39.57 | lewwy | nobody knows the answer in #ubuntu abrotman |
| 02:39.59 | dvs | It's a SATA drive |
| 02:40.02 | OverDr1ve | dvs: Because it's going to be sdX, not hdX - it's a damn SATA drive |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | shimano55: ask #xmms |
| 02:40.18 | OverDr1ve | dvs: And why e? I only have one drive |
| 02:40.21 | abrotman | dvs: it's sata |
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| 02:40.25 | lotsacache | Need help with Soundcard w/sarge. Anyone? |
| 02:40.26 | dvs | OverDr1ve: In 2.4 yes but maybe not in 2.6 |
| 02:40.27 | spermie_411 | whats a good i368 install guides for debian? |
| 02:40.27 | shimano55 | abrotman, I asked if you could use .wal and .wsv as skins for xmms, cause I can't seem to get .wal's to work |
| 02:40.28 | abrotman | dvs: in 2.6 .. sata is sd* |
| 02:40.36 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:40.36 | dpkg | from memory, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 02:40.40 | abrotman | spermie_411: ^ |
| 02:40.43 | OverDr1ve | dvs: In 2.6, my disk is recognised as sda |
| 02:40.46 | spermie_411 | ok thanks |
| 02:40.59 | dvs | OverDr1ve: And you see this in the messages? |
| 02:41.13 | TwistedEmotions | spermie_411: also check this site out.. wait one moment. |
| 02:41.20 | Gospel | spermie_411: you feel your nick reflects who you are? |
| 02:41.22 | OverDr1ve | dvs: Even in other Debian-based distros, my drive is still recognised as sda |
| 02:41.37 | OverDr1ve | dvs: Did I see what in the messages? |
| 02:41.42 | shimano55 | abrotman, no one there...lol |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | lewwy: your filesystem seems kind of wrecked .. |
| 02:41.45 | TwistedEmotions | spermie_411: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_debian_sarge/index.php |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | shimano55: noone in the channel.. or all sleeping ? |
| 02:41.57 | lewwy | abrotman, i sorta figured that |
| 02:42.06 | abrotman | lewwy: fsck won't fix it ? |
| 02:42.14 | lewwy | what i could figure out from #ubuntu is that they should be in lost+found |
| 02:42.14 | spermie_411 | Gospel its the name of my kubuntu machine |
| 02:42.19 | OverDr1ve | Ah well, I give up. |
| 02:42.22 | lewwy | fsck tells me that its clean, but it wont boot |
| 02:42.23 | dvs | Well, SATA and 2.6. I have one in my 2.4 machine and it works with an external driver. |
| 02:42.23 | lotsacache | ask soundcard |
| 02:42.26 | abrotman | lewwy: don't tell them that |
| 02:42.29 | spermie_411 | TwistedEmotions thanks |
| 02:42.40 | Gospel | spermie_411: who gave it that name? :P |
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| 02:42.51 | lewwy | abrotman, tell them waht? |
| 02:42.52 | dvs | Gospel: information |
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| 02:42.55 | OverDr1ve | Thanks for helping me dondelelcaro, abrotman, dvs - but I'm gonna give up now. |
| 02:42.59 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: i suppose you could try to email the debian-kernel list .. but you seem fairly .. erm .. pissed :) |
| 02:43.01 | TwistedEmotions | spermie_411: I disagree with that guy about a few things.. but his setup is relatively nice... should help you. |
| 02:43.08 | abrotman | lewwy: they belong in lost+found :) |
| 02:43.12 | spermie_411 | Gospel I did of course 0 = |
| 02:43.13 | OverDr1ve | abrotman: Or I could use another distro that doesn't have problems like this :) |
| 02:43.29 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: you seen http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_debian_sarge/index.php? |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | OverDr1ve: yeah .. i realize that .. |
| 02:43.37 | spermie_411 | Gospel its really just spermie |
| 02:43.40 | lewwy | abrotman, ok, so do you have any suggestions that could fix it? I could reinstall, but i dont wanna waste another 30 mins |
| 02:43.40 | spermie_411 | not 411 |
| 02:43.44 | OverDr1ve | I respect Debian and would really like to use it, but I'm not spending days to try and get the kernel working. Sorry, bye. |
| 02:43.47 | lewwy | thanks abrotman for helping us |
| 02:43.51 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: heh no |
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| 02:43.58 | Gospel | spermie_411: ok :) |
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| 02:44.14 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: preety usefull install guide for newbs to the system. Sets up a nice box. |
| 02:44.32 | abrotman | lewwy: no .. he had a severe problem with 2.6 kernels and his machine :) |
| 02:44.37 | spermie_411 | Gospel is the debian install hard? |
| 02:44.44 | Gospel | why would he have to sepnd days eting kernel to work? |
| 02:44.54 | Gospel | spermie_411: havent installed it yet |
| 02:45.00 | abrotman | Gospel: his computer has problems :) |
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| 02:45.17 | spermie_411 | Gospel what are you running now? |
| 02:45.20 | lewwy | abrotman, ok, so do you know how to fix dis? |
| 02:45.24 | abrotman | dis ? |
| 02:45.25 | Gospel | spermie_411: im using a debian based distro atm, till I get debian next week |
| 02:45.25 | TwistedEmotions | Gospel: he keeps typing apt-get install cornel and doesnt get what hes looking for. |
| 02:45.32 | Gospel | abrotman: ah :) |
| 02:45.39 | spermie_411 | Gospel i see |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | lewwy: dis ? |
| 02:45.56 | Gospel | spermie_411: im running a debian based distro called Mepis till I get Debian |
| 02:46.05 | SDFH_Linux | cant get kde on here |
| 02:46.08 | Gospel | TwistedEmotions: ROFL |
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| 02:46.19 | spermie_411 | Gospel hows mepis? |
| 02:46.23 | dbernar1 | wasnt there a why debian factoid? |
| 02:46.30 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 02:46.30 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 02:46.36 | Gospel | spermie_411: its a baby version of Debian! you are better getting Debian |
| 02:46.42 | SDFH_Linux | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:46.42 | SDFH_Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.42 | SDFH_Linux | E: Broken packages |
| 02:46.46 | SDFH_Linux | :( |
| 02:46.59 | spermie_411 | Gospel Running kubutu myself.. =( |
| 02:47.10 | spermie_411 | kubuntu^ |
| 02:47.10 | Gospel | SDFH_Linux: pull your chin up, theres always a solution :) |
| 02:47.13 | dbernar1 | !why are you ignoring me dpkg? |
| 02:47.13 | dpkg | dbernar1: what are you talking about? |
| 02:47.20 | Gospel | spermie_411: ok |
| 02:47.26 | SDFH_Linux | how i fix? |
| 02:47.42 | flowtron_ | Any help with nvidia drivers |
| 02:47.53 | ke6isf | !nvidia |
| 02:47.53 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 02:48.16 | Gospel | !mepis |
| 02:48.16 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 02:48.27 | abrotman | lewwy: try manually running fsck |
| 02:48.41 | gentgeen__ | Gospel, there you go again -- just like a pro ;-) |
| 02:48.57 | Gospel | gentgeen__: im learning of you guys :) |
| 02:49.09 | rking | Gospel: you can even /msg dpkg mepis? |
| 02:49.16 | flowtron_ | thx ke6isf - I should check dpkg's knowledge more often! |
| 02:49.25 | gentgeen__ | "im learning of you guys" I hope you mean off ;-) |
| 02:49.27 | Gospel | i learned more today about Debian and Linux than I did for 2 weeks in #mepis :) |
| 02:49.28 | abrotman | or try #debian-bots |
| 02:49.29 | ke6isf | flowtron_: dpkg knows much. Not yet all, but much. |
| 02:49.34 | Gospel | you guys are real PRO's here |
| 02:49.41 | SDFH_Linux | how i fix this kdemulitmedia problem? |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | Gospel: some of us .. then you have gentgeen__ :) |
| 02:50.01 | Gospel | you guys are real PRO's here and in #mepis they are amateurs |
| 02:50.07 | Gospel | abrotman: :) |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: sid ? |
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| 02:50.14 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 02:50.14 | abrotman | gentgeen__: heh |
| 02:50.17 | chealer | SDFH_Linux: which release? ask #debian-kde? |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: maybe ask #debian-kde |
| 02:50.21 | Gospel | i rather hang with the PRO's :) |
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| 02:50.29 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
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| 02:50.43 | Gospel | brb food time :) anyone want pizza? |
| 02:50.50 | abrotman | Gospel: already had mine! :) |
| 02:50.50 | ke6isf | Gospel: Touching, but we're not supporting your system until you get around to installing Debian. |
| 02:51.03 | Gospel | abrotman: :) |
| 02:51.11 | Gospel | ke6isf: fair enough |
| 02:51.20 | Gospel | brb eating |
| 02:51.27 | abrotman | !beer RogueDopple |
| 02:51.51 | rking | hey suckas! i'm running Xorg and it's looking great. |
| 02:52.01 | RogueDopple | never heard of la maudite |
| 02:52.08 | ke6isf | rking: Well, congrats to you. |
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| 02:52.28 | rking | abrotman++ |
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| 02:52.50 | lewwy | sorry abrotman, i was afk |
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| 02:53.03 | abrotman | lewwy: sorry .. i was only helping for 30 seconds :) |
| 02:53.04 | lewwy | abrotman, so manually run fsck? ok, what parameters would i put on. |
| 02:53.10 | abrotman | lewwy: mark the FS dirty |
| 02:53.18 | gentgeen__ | RogueDopple, how about an Iron City then ? |
| 02:53.32 | lewwy | abrotman, i can't log into the darn thing, is there a way to bypass the login screen? |
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| 02:54.08 | abrotman | lewwy: in ubuntu .. nfc .. maybe ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 02:54.09 | lotsacache | !sound |
| 02:54.09 | dpkg | [sound] ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 02:54.19 | RogueDopple | nope never heard of that either he eh |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | gentgeen__: ew .. that's just gross |
| 02:54.33 | lewwy | abrotman, k i'll give it a try. if next time i'm in xirc then HOORAY! otherwise, damn |
| 02:54.45 | lewwy | brb |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | gentgeen__: why not give him water from the allegheny and kill him now |
| 02:55.07 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, YOU KNOW IRON?!?!?!??! |
| 02:55.08 | gentgeen__ | cool |
| 02:55.15 | abrotman | !yinzersmite gentgeen__ |
| 02:55.37 | gentgeen__ | maybe a Stonys then? |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | gentgeen__: my bro owns a house in oakland .. i live outside philly :) |
| 02:56.34 | nvz | gentgeen__: you mean Irn |
| 02:56.41 | nvz | !yinzersmite gentgeen__ |
| 02:57.09 | abrotman | !Phillysmite gentgeen__ |
| 02:57.39 | gentgeen__ | :-) good job Yinz Guz need to get some chipped ham in there |
| 02:57.48 | nvz | heh |
| 02:57.55 | abrotman | !Phillysmite gentgeen__ |
| 02:58.03 | nvz | Isleys Chipped Chopped Ham |
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| 02:59.01 | gentgeen__ | nvz, YES - the best in the world |
| 02:59.12 | dabaR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:59.25 | nvz | I dont care for it much anymore.. I go for the less greasy hams |
| 02:59.41 | nvz | that chipped chopped ham is just slimey |
| 02:59.50 | dabaR | hm.. there is no apt-bug,. there was something like that I insatlled. |
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| 02:59.57 | dondelelcaro | dabaR: it's probably apt-listbugs or similar. |
| 02:59.59 | gentgeen__ | But in pgh -- you can just call it chipped -- saying chipped chopped accually confuses some around here |
| 03:00.03 | dabaR | right. |
| 03:00.11 | dabaR | so that is telling me that warning? |
| 03:00.26 | nvz | gentgeen__: you dont have to tell me how people talk, I am born and raised |
| 03:00.34 | ke6isf | "chipped chopped" sounds like past tense of a particular otomotopaiea. |
| 03:00.42 | mfrisch | dabaR it is just informative |
| 03:00.49 | dabaR | ya, cool. |
| 03:00.51 | dondelelcaro | dabaR: probably. |
| 03:01.11 | nvz | gentgeen__: I made the yinzersmite. I know my pittsburghese |
| 03:01.17 | gentgeen__ | lol |
| 03:01.20 | dabaR | how about this line: iB apt-listbugs - Lists critical bugs before each apt installation why is the iB, that is from aptitude, and I can not invoke apt-listbugs from a terminal, as normal user anyhow... |
| 03:01.37 | dabaR | ah, I can as superuser |
| 03:01.48 | abrotman | gentgeen__: good catchup :) |
| 03:02.04 | dabaR | hehe, Lists critical bugs before each apt installation may clue me in about it. |
| 03:02.19 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, funny story --- never thought much of it till I lived in VA for a while. REALLY wanted my Heinz back |
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| 03:02.26 | nvz | dpkg literal cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) |
| 03:02.26 | dpkg | CMD: yinzersmite (.*?) is ($1): <action> (runsover $1, wif an ambleelunce gowen a hunnert mallanar.|pooshes $1 aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere". |pahds $1 fer behavin like an ig'nent yinzer.|rode $1 dahntahn ta go gall-a-vantin' da norside wif a Gian Iggle buggy like da rest of da bums.|pinches $1 fer hawkin' stoled Stiller's tickets.|rilly wisht $1 conjagated sharn once in awhile.) |
| 03:02.30 | dabaR | see I always come up with a possible solution by the time I type it out, well, not always, but often... |
| 03:02.32 | nvz | thats all I got so far |
| 03:02.49 | gentgeen__ | nvz, what area? still here? |
| 03:03.04 | SDFH_Linux | what is the command to get all of kde |
| 03:03.14 | nvz | I was born in Sewickley and I just got back in town this spring. |
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| 03:03.32 | abrotman | gentgeen__: that's sad :) |
| 03:03.39 | dabaR | is the iB for the package in aptitude search because it is a /sbin program? |
| 03:03.43 | dabaR | I should man. |
| 03:03.46 | ke6isf | SDFH_Linux: 'apt-get install kde', I suspect |
| 03:03.48 | gentgeen__ | PGH rocks |
| 03:03.52 | abrotman | gentgeen__: have you been to primanti bros ? |
| 03:03.58 | nvz | gentgeen__: yeah crack rocks |
| 03:04.01 | gentgeen__ | grew up in Plum, now in Carick |
| 03:04.05 | gentgeen__ | Carrick |
| 03:04.21 | gentgeen__ | primanti bros -- yes |
| 03:04.31 | gentgeen__ | I bet you have been to the O also |
| 03:04.33 | abrotman | gentgeen__: good .. take nvz .. he's never been |
| 03:04.39 | gentgeen__ | since it is in okland |
| 03:04.43 | abrotman | the O ? |
| 03:04.49 | abrotman | i've been to pamela's |
| 03:04.56 | gentgeen__ | "the original O" |
| 03:05.02 | abrotman | dont' remember .. maybe |
| 03:05.17 | gentgeen__ | hot dog/fry shop right down by book store of Pitt U. |
| 03:05.28 | abrotman | gentgeen__: i almost went to Pitt |
| 03:05.28 | nvz | I go to the Primadona in Mckees (Stowe) Rocks |
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| 03:05.41 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 03:05.51 | TwistedEmotions | Oakland is sexy.. |
| 03:05.58 | lildude | hey liable |
| 03:06.02 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: oakland in pittsburgh? |
| 03:06.04 | abrotman | is sexy? |
| 03:06.06 | nvz | heh |
| 03:06.08 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 03:06.11 | TwistedEmotions | of course. |
| 03:06.13 | gentgeen__ | TwistedEmotions, I hopy you are talking about CA |
| 03:06.19 | TwistedEmotions | yeah |
| 03:06.22 | TwistedEmotions | in ca |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: have you ever been to pittsburgh ? |
| 03:06.47 | TwistedEmotions | pittsburg, ca? |
| 03:06.53 | nvz | PA |
| 03:06.54 | dabaR | /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/index.html is referenced in man aptitude, I should I guess open aptitude and try the help. |
| 03:07.00 | TwistedEmotions | It's like 10 minutes from oakland |
| 03:07.01 | TwistedEmotions | hahah |
| 03:07.03 | dabaR | the /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/index.html does not exist, btw. |
| 03:07.05 | lildude | dwl-510 d link any good? |
| 03:07.14 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: no havent.. ;) |
| 03:07.21 | zinx | dabaR: perhaps you need aptitude-doc-en |
| 03:07.35 | dabaR | eek |
| 03:07.46 | dabaR | B - broken |
| 03:07.55 | mwilson | grrr |
| 03:07.57 | gentgeen__ | time to but some little ones to bed -- talk to yinz bit later :-) |
| 03:08.01 | zinx | dabaR: perhaps you shouldn't be using unstable. |
| 03:08.13 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, C U L8R |
| 03:08.17 | dabaR | I agree. |
| 03:08.21 | abrotman | gentgeen__: don't! |
| 03:08.22 | gentgeen__ | had to do it ;=_ |
| 03:08.28 | dabaR | I cant remember now why I was using it in any case. |
| 03:08.29 | dabaR | I know. |
| 03:08.33 | dabaR | cause of one package. |
| 03:08.51 | dabaR | can I do anything about the whole thing? pinning the right version? |
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| 03:09.18 | zinx | unstable's unstable :/ |
| 03:09.36 | zinx | especially after a release, switching of X servers, gcc (and thus C++) upgrade, etc etc |
| 03:10.06 | nvz | the reason I find Pittsburghese and the various yinzerisms of the city so interesting is because people here are actually proud of their ignorance. you walk into the food cort at the mall and they got big banners that say "Jeet Jet?" which is of course pittsburghese for "Did you eat yet?" |
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| 03:10.21 | dabaR | it is I agree, I did not use unstable, I used that one thing I cant remember now what its called, wehre you put two, stable, and unstable into sources, and specify one as default. |
| 03:10.27 | dabaR | And then you are on your own... |
| 03:10.36 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. their grammar skills need fixed :) |
| 03:10.40 | mfrisch | zinx testing is... |
| 03:10.44 | dabaR | I have now removed the sources... |
| 03:10.45 | abrotman | etch |
| 03:10.47 | lildude | hello |
| 03:10.48 | x-Al1gma | hello lildude |
| 03:10.51 | mwilson | dabaR: Meaning that you used unstable. |
| 03:11.03 | dabaR | right, I used one package so far, I bvelieve. |
| 03:11.04 | abrotman | nvz: you were supposed to get that as a west PA thing :) |
| 03:11.06 | dabaR | actually...:) |
| 03:11.18 | dabaR | several, but all in one install. |
| 03:11.23 | dabaR | I will now remove those. |
| 03:11.27 | mwilson | No, you used unstable. There's a period at the end of that sentence. |
| 03:11.44 | abrotman | mwilson: where were you earlier!? |
| 03:11.52 | lildude | any one use dlink wireless card? |
| 03:11.53 | dabaR | ok. |
| 03:12.01 | mwilson | abrotman: Work. |
| 03:12.03 | nvz | man I need some ice |
| 03:12.04 | mwilson | Why? |
| 03:12.05 | dabaR | nono, just like, gimp-print. |
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| 03:12.21 | abrotman | mwilson: we had a wonderful OT discussion :) |
| 03:12.23 | dabaR | is that ok at all? or should I stop annoying you about the unstable thinf? |
| 03:12.30 | mwilson | About what? |
| 03:12.49 | Randall64 | Is there a way to nudge detection of my audio devices in a particular order? |
| 03:12.53 | abrotman | mwilson: essentially .. every language except java is uselss .. or something like that :) |
| 03:13.09 | Randall64 | It's troublesome having bt8x8 being card 0. |
| 03:13.19 | lildude | so what is up |
| 03:13.21 | dabaR | can I ask you guys about this issue with the several unstable packages? |
| 03:13.25 | chealer | I tried getting bootsplash to work, but it did nothing. a KDE folk told me this is due to libc6. how can I go back to libc5? |
| 03:13.30 | abrotman | dabaR: ask .. dont ask to ask |
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| 03:13.39 | dabaR | or is that something I wshould handle on my own, or not use at all? |
| 03:13.39 | nvz | hahaha |
| 03:13.41 | mwilson | chealer: You can't go back to libc5, you were never using libc5. |
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| 03:13.57 | dabaR | ok, well, just dont wanna get banned for annoying you with unstable. |
| 03:13.58 | abrotman | libc5 .. in .. potato ? |
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| 03:14.08 | chealer | mwilson: oh, but I like potatoes |
| 03:14.23 | mfrisch | too late |
| 03:14.25 | dabaR | I am gonna uninstall packages I can remember were insatlled from unstable. |
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| 03:14.34 | mwilson | I'm not sure what's worse... that he thinks he can use libc5, or that some cluebie told him that he SHOULD use libc5. |
| 03:14.36 | dabaR | Is that ok? |
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| 03:14.50 | abrotman | dabaR: depends what they are |
| 03:14.54 | dabaR | foomatic-db-gimp-print, and gimp-print for a start./ |
| 03:14.54 | mwilson | Btw... Potato was libc6. |
| 03:15.04 | abrotman | mwilson: was it slink ? |
| 03:15.05 | lildude | gas liable been around? |
| 03:15.07 | abrotman | that long ago ? |
| 03:15.19 | ke6isf | !lastseen liable |
| 03:15.20 | mwilson | I think the transition was during Slink. |
| 03:15.25 | abrotman | i'm old |
| 03:15.41 | mwilson | Slink is before me using Debian. I came in suring Potato's first freeze before the un-freeze. |
| 03:15.46 | mwilson | During, even. |
| 03:15.50 | dabaR | is remocving unstable installed packages gonna unbreak my system, and should I even bother if I am not seeing any issues really yet anyhow? |
| 03:15.59 | lildude | when was that ke6isf |
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| 03:16.21 | chealer | mwilson: "first freeze before the un-freeze"? is this related to a change in packages pools? |
| 03:16.25 | abrotman | mwilson: i used slink . i don't remember if i used hamm |
| 03:16.29 | mwilson | chealer: No. |
| 03:16.30 | elgrande | hi |
| 03:16.34 | dabaR | hi |
| 03:16.51 | abrotman | maybe slink had just been released |
| 03:16.53 | mwilson | chealer: There were no package pools during Potato. |
| 03:16.58 | elgrande | is there anybody fit with alsa and jack please? |
| 03:17.00 | chealer | mwilson: were there several freezes before potato? |
| 03:17.09 | chealer | I meant between slink and potato |
| 03:17.15 | abrotman | chealer: potato was a long freeze too iirc |
| 03:17.19 | mwilson | chealer: Potato froze twice. |
| 03:17.21 | abrotman | actually .. so was woody |
| 03:17.37 | lildude | abrotman hey |
| 03:17.39 | abrotman | hi |
| 03:17.45 | elgrande | is that really interessting to you? |
| 03:17.51 | abrotman | i don't think i even knew unstable existed until woody :) |
| 03:17.52 | lildude | missied yah |
| 03:18.05 | lildude | did not see yah |
| 03:18.06 | abrotman | maybe it didn't exist before then |
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| 03:18.16 | mwilson | Unstable always existed. |
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| 03:18.26 | abrotman | mwilson: i guess i just didn't care at that time ... |
| 03:18.28 | mwilson | *Testing* didn't exist until Woody. |
| 03:18.37 | elgrande | well... i do not think it makes any difference on which distr. (except unstable) i set on. |
| 03:18.39 | abrotman | i remember the inventino of testing |
| 03:18.43 | abrotman | !tell onedertow about away |
| 03:19.04 | mwilson | After Potato, Woody was unstable, then suddenly it became testing and was rolled back to Potato, and Sid became unstable. |
| 03:19.06 | abrotman | mwilson: it was supposed to speed up releases :) |
| 03:19.07 | onedertow | sry, forgot i was in the channel that doesnt like aways :S |
| 03:19.21 | abrotman | onedertow: thank you :) |
| 03:19.47 | mwilson | Yeah, testing was one of the dumber ideas Debian has ever had. |
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| 03:19.56 | Randall64 | I think I started using Bo or Hamm after redhat starting being retarded. |
| 03:20.06 | abrotman | started ? |
| 03:20.08 | mwilson | Randall64: Unlikely. |
| 03:20.18 | AM|R | hi need helps |
| 03:20.19 | Randall64 | mwilson: sorry? |
| 03:20.19 | AM|R | mount /dev/hda1 /h4 |
| 03:20.19 | chealer | hehe, I once found a post that referred to potato as unstable. that was quite funny |
| 03:20.25 | dabaR | so...removing those packages, does removing packages that are from unstable unbreak your system. Also, is there somewehre I can read about fixing a broked system and some intro to "broken"... |
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| 03:20.30 | AM|R | mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /u4 busy |
| 03:20.33 | abrotman | i tried to install RH5.2 .. didn't work .. went with hamm/slink .. whatever it was |
| 03:20.38 | mwilson | Randall64: I said it was unlikely. |
| 03:20.39 | AM|R | but i dont moung the device |
| 03:20.44 | AM|R | but i dont mount the device |
| 03:20.59 | Randall64 | mwilson: yes, but there wasn't any discernable meaning attached to your statement |
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| 03:21.04 | AM|R | when i df the device is not mounted |
| 03:21.17 | elgrande | This is my question: anyhow, i do not correctly get alsa output back into jack... neither hardware nor software routing show an solution for me.... i do not know any about the software way.... anybody thinks he can help fixing this problem so i can record all audio channels... can i capture on alsa level? |
| 03:21.20 | abrotman | AM|R: look in /etc/mtab |
| 03:21.39 | mwilson | Randall64: Hamm would have been pre-RH 4.2 |
| 03:21.51 | mwilson | Randall64: Have you been using Linux that long? |
| 03:22.01 | Randall64 | mwilson: yes |
| 03:22.04 | abrotman | mwilson: at release time .. by the time slink was almost out it was rh5.2/6 |
| 03:22.10 | elgrande | 3 years... 1 all day... |
| 03:22.40 | mwilson | abrotman: Not so. RH 5.2 was released during the Potato freeze. |
| 03:22.44 | flowtron | THX @ ke6isf - that worked like a charm! |
| 03:22.59 | abrotman | mwilson: hrm .. |
| 03:23.05 | dabaR | so really, a system is not broken, a package is broken... |
| 03:23.11 | abrotman | mwilson: i thought rh5.2 was .. early 99 |
| 03:23.28 | elgrande | anybody of you knows any chat where i can ask my question? |
| 03:23.34 | AM|R | no hda1 in /etc/mtab |
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| 03:23.48 | theblue_ | Hi all. |
| 03:23.51 | abrotman | mwilson: http://freshrpms.net/misc/redhat-releases/ |
| 03:23.55 | mwilson | abrotman: Just when do you think Slink was released, anyway? |
| 03:23.57 | elgrande | hi blue! |
| 03:24.00 | abrotman | !releases |
| 03:24.00 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 03:24.03 | theblue_ | Hi elgrande. |
| 03:24.06 | abrotman | just about august 1999 :) |
| 03:24.11 | Randall64 | I tried upgrading to redhat 4.0 (iirc), which introduced pam at version 0.13 or so, but I couldn't login at the console, so I tried debian (way before apt). |
| 03:24.11 | theblue_ | elgrande: would you be able to help me out? |
| 03:24.12 | ke6isf | lildude: dunno, dpkg doesn't have a 'lastseen' function. |
| 03:24.18 | elgrande | yes... |
| 03:24.25 | dabaR | hah |
| 03:24.25 | ke6isf | flowtron: Um, no problem |
| 03:24.28 | elgrande | if i can? |
| 03:24.31 | elgrande | what for? |
| 03:24.38 | abrotman | mwilson: and according to that freshrpms link .. rh5.2 released in oct 1998 |
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| 03:24.56 | AM|R | i just install new hardisk, detacted as /dev/hda1, but fail to mount it (mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or a busy) |
| 03:25.01 | mwilson | Man, three years to get to Sarge. |
| 03:25.05 | mwilson | <sigh> |
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| 03:25.12 | abrotman | mwilson: a little too long :) |
| 03:25.14 | SerajewelKS | what happens when we run out of toy story characters? |
| 03:25.18 | ke6isf | AM|R: OK, so where's it mounted? |
| 03:25.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: we'll name one after you :) |
| 03:25.24 | Gospel | mwilson: MS windows take longer |
| 03:25.31 | ImEatingPringles | where are the apache local server default pages kept? |
| 03:25.34 | zinx | SerajewelKS: no one will be using debian when that happens |
| 03:25.35 | Randall64 | Seraja: We'll all be dead by then. |
| 03:25.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, cool! ... that won't be the buggy release, will it? |
| 03:25.39 | abrotman | Gospel: not really |
| 03:25.41 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: Move on to Monsters Inc? Who knows? |
| 03:25.45 | lildude | thats ok tell him i looking for him |
| 03:25.46 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: unusable :) |
| 03:25.50 | ginipig | hi guys, is it easy to sync an ipod with debian? |
| 03:25.54 | mwilson | Gospel: Your point? |
| 03:25.55 | Randall64 | Monsters, Inc. is no Toy Story |
| 03:25.58 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, maybe i should /nick ... |
| 03:26.03 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:26.17 | dabaR | haha, unusable:) |
| 03:26.17 | elgrande | at pringels... they are just installed per default. |
| 03:26.31 | AM|R | i still not mount the hda1 yet |
| 03:26.42 | AM|R | but the system said already mounted |
| 03:26.52 | wishie2 | i need some help setting up a wireless lan card in debian..can someone help me please. i have the module loaded etc, the card is recognised, i just cant work out how to setup the WEP key, and connect to the Access Point |
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| 03:26.55 | ImEatingPringles | elgrande, oh ok thanks |
| 03:26.59 | Detox | he folks, anyone have a pteference between wired and wireless printer servers for a home network?? |
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| 03:27.07 | Gospel | mwilson: why do you sigh? |
| 03:27.10 | ke6isf | AM|R: OK, that doesn't answer the question. Where is it mounted? Use 'mount'. |
| 03:27.17 | elgrande | /etc/fstab shows the mointpoint. |
| 03:27.20 | nvz | Detox: want to buy a wired one? heh |
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| 03:27.31 | Detox | sure if the price is right |
| 03:27.42 | abrotman | !win nvz |
| 03:27.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, nvz! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 03:27.53 | AM|R | yess.. mount command shows hda1 not mounted |
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| 03:28.01 | abrotman | does mtab ? |
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| 03:28.06 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 03:28.06 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 03:28.07 | AM|R | but when i try to mount said already mounted |
| 03:28.12 | flowtron | !irritate flowtron |
| 03:28.13 | dpkg | flowtron: hi every1 who uses kde ???/ |
| 03:28.14 | elgrande | where would it be mounted? |
| 03:28.24 | abrotman | AM|R: can you paste your /etc/fstab and your /etc/mtab somewhere ? |
| 03:28.25 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:28.25 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 03:28.28 | mwilson | Ok, I cannot use this ugly clearlooks theme any longer. |
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| 03:28.33 | AM|R | w8 |
| 03:28.36 | abrotman | mwilson: gnome ? |
| 03:28.38 | \Igor\ | I just run an upgrade on sid, and now any gnome application seems to be HOGGING memory, >500MB virtual memory |
| 03:28.46 | \Igor\ | anyone else ran into the same problem? |
| 03:28.47 | mwilson | abrotman: Nah. |
| 03:28.54 | ke6isf | \Igor\: Welcome to Hell^H^H^H^HSid. |
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| 03:29.06 | abrotman | mwilson: i thought that was just for gnome .. |
| 03:29.15 | elgrande | okay, any help for alsa? |
| 03:29.19 | Gospel | mwilson: you seem to complain a lot. why? |
| 03:29.27 | \Igor\ | ke6isf: if this is a known bug, what's the BTS number? |
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| 03:29.58 | ke6isf | \Igor\: I have no idea. |
| 03:29.59 | abrotman | !trout lildude |
| 03:30.03 | abrotman | hrm |
| 03:30.05 | abrotman | !fish lildude |
| 03:30.14 | lildude | trying to wake laible up |
| 03:30.28 | abrotman | lildude: he might still be sleeping ? |
| 03:30.39 | lildude | could be comatose |
| 03:30.43 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 03:30.59 | elgrande | theblue: wassup? |
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| 03:31.04 | lildude | ill find him another day |
| 03:31.11 | AM|R | hi guys |
| 03:31.15 | dabaR | how about... this is what I get when I aptitude install -f: http://pastebin.com/336340 |
| 03:31.17 | \Igor\ | well, this is interesting... |
| 03:31.26 | dabaR | can you please look and tell me if I should say Y. |
| 03:31.36 | AM|R | abrotman: my fstab and mtab - amir.psr.org.my/fstab |
| 03:31.45 | \Igor\ | I guess I'm falling back on WindowMaker for now |
| 03:31.46 | mwilson | abrotman: Nah, Debian packages the engine... it's just another GTK theme. But the default colors make the screen look like it's spoiled milk. |
| 03:32.09 | abrotman | AM|R: and what are you trying to mount ? |
| 03:32.14 | abrotman | mwilson: heh |
| 03:32.20 | AM|R | hda1 |
| 03:32.22 | ke6isf | AM|R: That's intriguing. |
| 03:32.38 | redguy | dabaR: you're not using ubuntu, are you? |
| 03:32.47 | abrotman | AM|R: and mount it where ? |
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| 03:32.53 | Gospel | he sounds like a drama queen, always complains! |
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| 03:32.59 | AM|R | sorry ke6isf : <abrotman> AM|R: can you paste your /etc/fstab and your /etc/mtab somewhere ? |
| 03:33.23 | abrotman | AM|R: what command are you typing to mount it ? |
| 03:33.23 | AM|R | i try to mount /u4 |
| 03:33.26 | ke6isf | AM|R: No, it's interesting. FS says 'mounted', but it's not in the {fs,m}tabl. |
| 03:33.34 | dabaR | redguy: no, why? I mean, I sometimes do. |
| 03:33.35 | abrotman | AM|R: and if it still doesn't work .. try fuser or lsof to see what is using them |
| 03:33.37 | togs | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.40 | AM|R | mount /dev/hda1 /u4 |
| 03:33.42 | crn | i've got sarge running. what do i do to get notified of updates? |
| 03:33.45 | abrotman | no type ? |
| 03:33.47 | dabaR | not this boot tho. |
| 03:33.57 | AM|R | no |
| 03:33.57 | ke6isf | abrotman: It should autodetect or request the -t flag. |
| 03:34.10 | ke6isf | abrotman: Not complain that it's busy. |
| 03:34.23 | abrotman | ke6isf: says it's already mounted .. which is why i said about lsof/fuser |
| 03:34.30 | AM|R | ermm |
| 03:34.36 | AM|R | any ideaa |
| 03:34.39 | hg | !seen r00t3r |
| 03:34.40 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'r00t3r', hg |
| 03:34.44 | chealer | crn: follow debian-security-announce |
| 03:34.46 | elgrande | crn: lookup: aptidude |
| 03:34.53 | ke6isf | abrotman: what abrotman said. use lsof. |
| 03:34.54 | spermie_411 | what would be the best way to partiton a 120 gb? |
| 03:35.05 | crn | chealer, thanks |
| 03:35.11 | crn | elgrande, thanks |
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| 03:35.32 | elgrande | crn: automatically: script output parser for 'apt-get update'; feed apt-get update with 'n' ; run via cron |
| 03:35.33 | AM|R | lsof? |
| 03:35.41 | ke6isf | AM|R: Yeah, lsof. |
| 03:35.42 | abrotman | man lsof |
| 03:35.44 | abrotman | !lsof |
| 03:35.44 | dpkg | [lsof] LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
| 03:35.48 | lildude | if liable wakes up tell him i am looking for him |
| 03:36.01 | Gospel | spermie_411: 3x40 |
| 03:36.08 | stew | spermie_411: a gig for root a gig for swap and the rest for lvm |
| 03:36.20 | ke6isf | lildude: Use memoserv. |
| 03:36.31 | AM|R | oki i try |
| 03:36.46 | AM|R | PNILAI:/ # lsof | grep /dev/hda1 |
| 03:36.46 | AM|R | PNILAI:/ # |
| 03:36.52 | abrotman | AM|R: no |
| 03:36.55 | abrotman | AM|R: man lsof |
| 03:36.59 | AM|R | ok |
| 03:37.03 | ke6isf | uh oh, brace for paste impact. |
| 03:37.11 | crn | elgrande, thanks again |
| 03:37.13 | lildude | thanks |
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| 03:37.55 | AM|R | done reading man lsof |
| 03:37.57 | Smerdyakov | What's the easiest programmatic way to find all the children of a particular pid? |
| 03:38.00 | AM|R | blur |
| 03:38.01 | AM|R | hehe |
| 03:38.14 | abrotman | done ? |
| 03:38.18 | abrotman | did you learn how to use it ? |
| 03:38.32 | ke6isf | AM|R: That was too fast. This time, go back, and absorb what it has to say - and understand it. |
| 03:38.34 | AM|R | nop... to many arguements |
| 03:38.50 | dabaR | I used unstable packages, and I would like to now mend the damage I did. I removed the unstable from sources.list, and now if I apt-get install -f I get nothing to be done. If I aptitude install -f I get this list to be removed: http://pastebin.com/336340 any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. |
| 03:38.51 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 03:39.09 | AM|R | i need in hurry because the server need to be ready this morning |
| 03:39.12 | elgrande | [lsof] while 1 do apt-get installl lsof > checkfile & ; cp checkfile checkfile.old & ; ( [ diff <checkfiles> ] && <dosth> ) ; sleep 23 & ; done ... or like that... ;-) |
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| 03:39.17 | abrotman | so hurry up and read damn it |
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| 03:39.20 | ke6isf | !tell dabar about downgrade |
| 03:39.44 | flowtron | Smerdyakov : like "pstree"? |
| 03:39.55 | lewwy | abrotman, i'm sitting in a knoppix boot cd, hitting ctrl+alt+f1 didnt work for me to get into my OS. Any suggestions? |
| 03:40.05 | Smerdyakov | flowtron, like ps auxf. Maybe pstree, too. |
| 03:40.11 | abrotman | lewwy: i've never used knoppix |
| 03:40.22 | flowtron | lewwy - @ boot |
| 03:40.22 | metaperl | Smerdyakov: hi |
| 03:40.32 | lewwy | yes flowtron? |
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| 03:40.41 | Smerdyakov | metaperl, that's true. |
| 03:40.57 | lewwy | what do you mean flowtorn |
| 03:41.00 | metaperl | Smerdyakov: i said "hello" ... how is tha true? |
| 03:41.00 | lewwy | tron* |
| 03:41.06 | Smerdyakov | metaperl, I know. |
| 03:41.08 | flowtron | lewwy - boot prompt or with KDE up and running (butter-fingers *g*) |
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| 03:41.40 | elgrande | lewwy, ssh -l root $HOST "/etc/??/kdm stop" |
| 03:41.54 | compubomb | i have a question is this woody or sarge ? |
| 03:41.58 | compubomb | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 03:41.59 | compubomb | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 03:42.06 | ke6isf | compubomb: sarge |
| 03:42.08 | compubomb | is stable main now sarge or woody ? |
| 03:42.14 | elgrande | Smerdyakow, ps -fauxwww |
| 03:42.20 | ke6isf | compubomb: For like a month or so now. |
| 03:42.24 | compubomb | ke6isf: do you know if debian has a wiki ?.. |
| 03:42.29 | compubomb | like gentoo has |
| 03:42.31 | abrotman | compubomb: sarge |
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| 03:42.37 | elgrande | compubomb: sarge |
| 03:42.38 | compubomb | a wiki for setting up simple stuff like network etc.. ? |
| 03:42.38 | abrotman | !faq |
| 03:42.38 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 03:42.43 | lewwy | flowtron, i can do it in KDE or in shell (after hitting ctrl+backspace/ctrl+alt+f1 and it doesnt log me in |
| 03:42.43 | abrotman | !wiki. |
| 03:42.43 | dpkg | hmm... wiki is either wiki.debian.net a place where you get help or from WikiWikiWeb, the author system behind most wikis. wiki is derived from the hawaiian wiki wiki which means hurry or fast. Ward Cunningham's PortlandPatternRepository was the first Wiki. |
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| 03:43.06 | Smerdyakov | elgrande, you are suggesting I parse that output? |
| 03:43.14 | flowtron | lewwy - my knoppix CDs always we're auto-logged-in ... |
| 03:43.24 | flowtron | ... as root |
| 03:43.35 | elgrande | Smerdaykow, for knoppix? no, stop your display manager. |
| 03:43.57 | elgrande | Smerdaykow: become root and type 'killall ksm' |
| 03:43.59 | Smerdyakov | elgrande, you've either gotten me confused with someone else or you are trying to say nonsensical things. |
| 03:44.13 | elgrande | Smerdaykow: sorry, type: 'killall kdm' |
| 03:44.23 | flowtron | !irritate Smerdyakov |
| 03:44.24 | dpkg | Smerdyakov: hi every1 who uses cable kk |
| 03:44.28 | Smerdyakov | elgrande, no, that definitely has nothing to do with anyone I've said. |
| 03:44.33 | elgrande | Smerdaykow, was it about package updates? |
| 03:44.41 | Smerdyakov | elgrande, no. |
| 03:44.55 | elgrande | Smerdaykow, what was it about? |
| 03:45.00 | AM|R | PNILAI:/ # lsof | grep '/u4' | grep -v grep |
| 03:45.00 | AM|R | PNILAI:/ # lsof | grep '/dev/hda' | grep -v grep |
| 03:45.02 | AM|R | cant |
| 03:45.03 | lewwy | flowtron, sorry i thought you were talking about the OS that i'm supposed to be getting working. right now in knoppix i'm sitting in KDE in this chan. However in my other debian based OS (ubuntu, they cant help me in the other chan) i can't login either in KDE or shell. |
| 03:45.15 | Smerdyakov | elgrande, programmatic ways of finding a process' children. |
| 03:45.30 | ke6isf | AM|R: Perhaps just grep for 'hda'? |
| 03:45.36 | abrotman | AM|R: /dev/hda would be wrong |
| 03:45.40 | flowtron | lewwy - how does a shell present itself to you? |
| 03:45.43 | mwilson | lewwy: No one can help you with Ubuntu here. |
| 03:45.46 | ke6isf | !ubuntusmite lewwy |
| 03:45.49 | mfrisch | lewwy pass /bin/bash at the boot-loader |
| 03:46.00 | compubomb | i need a link to a howto on configuring the network information manually for debian, the wiki only tells you mostly how to configure video sound and wifi |
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| 03:46.07 | elgrande | Smerdyakow: oh yes... okay... grep the process id in ps |
| 03:46.10 | ke6isf | !ubuntusmite mfrisch |
| 03:46.12 | lewwy | cmon dpkg, don't be like that |
| 03:46.13 | mwilson | compubomb: man 5 interfaces |
| 03:46.27 | elgrande | Smerdyakow: you can do that? |
| 03:46.30 | abrotman | !faqa |
| 03:46.31 | abrotman | !faq |
| 03:46.31 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 03:46.36 | Smerdyakov | elgrande, that seems an inelegant way, and also less efficient than I would hope this operation could be. (Time proportional to current process count) |
| 03:46.44 | mfrisch | ke6isf dam did even know... |
| 03:46.53 | dabaR | is aptitude anything you guys use? |
| 03:46.59 | mwilson | Not I. |
| 03:47.04 | metaperl | dabaR: I stick to apt |
| 03:47.06 | mwilson | Bug-ridden POS. |
| 03:47.08 | lewwy | dude, saying that to someone like me is like telling the retarded kid in your school that his shoes untied, and then pushing him over when he goes to tie it up |
| 03:47.08 | abrotman | compubomb: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage |
| 03:47.16 | lewwy | @ dpkg |
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| 03:47.26 | dabaR | it tells me different results than apt-get when I dist-upgrade |
| 03:47.35 | redguy | huh? CO based on CO2? |
| 03:47.40 | dabaR | or even apt-get install -f as I said above. |
| 03:47.42 | mwilson | dabaR: As it's documented that it does. |
| 03:47.43 | ke6isf | lewwy: Yes, and we don't support Ubuntu here. Period. |
| 03:47.46 | lewwy | that and the fact we dont need CO2 to live |
| 03:47.49 | AM|R | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 03:47.49 | AM|R | /dev/hda1 * 1 30401 244196001 83 Linux |
| 03:47.49 | AM|R | PNILAI:/ # |
| 03:47.52 | lewwy | ok thats all i needed to know |
| 03:47.54 | ke6isf | lewwy: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 03:47.54 | dabaR | yeah, eh? |
| 03:47.55 | lewwy | thankyou anyway |
| 03:47.55 | dabaR | ... |
| 03:47.57 | elgrande | Smerdyakow: can you implement a trap in the process? |
| 03:48.02 | AM|R | but /dev/hda1 detected |
| 03:48.04 | mwilson | lewwy: We don't? Wow, you'd better tell your local doctor... he thinks he knows better. |
| 03:48.20 | ke6isf | Never thought he'd leave. |
| 03:48.37 | Smerdyakov | elgrande, what do you mean by "trap," and which process? |
| 03:48.54 | elgrande | AM|R replace * by an emty directory! |
| 03:49.14 | AM|R | elgrande : how? |
| 03:49.19 | abrotman | maybe /dev/hda1 has no filesystem ? |
| 03:49.20 | mwilson | hm, new emelfm2 |
| 03:49.36 | AM|R | the file system is linux |
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| 03:49.42 | AM|R | he said bz |
| 03:49.44 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/hda .. make sure it's at least been fdisk'ed |
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| 03:50.10 | elgrande | Smerdyakov: Okay: a trap is an interupt that starts on a certain signal. literally started by 'kill -<signalNumer> <processId>'... the trap would have to be in th process whose chilren you want to know. |
| 03:50.10 | ke6isf | AM|R: 'linux' is not a filesystem, it is a partition type. ext[23], Reiser, etc. are filesystems. |
| 03:50.14 | AM|R | after fdisk |
| 03:50.20 | redguy | AM|R: Linux filesystem? never heard of that |
| 03:50.26 | AM|R | Reiser |
| 03:50.41 | AM|R | sory |
| 03:50.44 | AM|R | the file system is linux type |
| 03:50.52 | Gospel | i have compiled and got a .deb file! now how do I install that? |
| 03:50.54 | AM|R | hehe |
| 03:51.00 | AM|R | after df |
| 03:51.00 | AM|R | Disk /dev/hda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes |
| 03:51.00 | AM|R | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders |
| 03:51.00 | AM|R | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
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| 03:51.06 | elgrande | AM|R: open a shell; become root using the 'su' command; type 'nedit /etc/fstab' |
| 03:51.14 | Smerdyakov | elgrande, and upon sending this signal, a signal handler that I would write for the parent would shout out its list of children, which it would be keeping track of at all times? |
| 03:51.14 | Gospel | any1 know? |
| 03:51.16 | AM|R | then |
| 03:51.22 | ke6isf | Gospel: Are you using Debian yet? |
| 03:51.29 | mwilson | !any1 |
| 03:51.29 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 03:51.29 | lildude | off to bed tell liable il be back asap |
| 03:51.37 | Gospel | ke6isf: ill be back :) |
| 03:51.40 | flowtron | Gospel : dpkg -i XYZ.deb |
| 03:51.50 | Gospel | flowtron: thanks |
| 03:51.55 | lildude | tellliable that il brb asap |
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| 03:52.38 | xbmodder | rm -rf gentoo.OP |
| 03:52.39 | FabParma | how to work only at init 3 for normal server work keeping the xserver for maintenance? |
| 03:52.53 | AM|R | elgrande: help |
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| 03:52.56 | uzer | how do i install a package from a different release? |
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| 03:53.11 | elgrande | Smerdyakow: yes... it could send them binary (pings on n and 2n times clock) to a trap on the requestor process... i think... :-) |
| 03:53.14 | mwilson | FabParma: No way at all, since this is Debian, not DeadRat, and doesn't implement DeadRat's stupidities regarding the X server. |
| 03:53.14 | abrotman | FabParma: debian defaults to 2 |
| 03:53.15 | flowtron | FabParma : modify /etc/rcN.d/* where N is 2, 3, ... |
| 03:53.30 | abrotman | flowtron: that doesn't work ... in debian .. 2-5 are identical |
| 03:53.36 | sigma957 | uzer: what release are you using now? |
| 03:53.38 | FabParma | its the command? |
| 03:53.43 | mwilson | FabParma: Unless you have a very good reason, and you don't, do not change the run level from the default of 2. |
| 03:53.47 | uzer | testing |
| 03:53.49 | abrotman | FabParma: you want to stop the X server from starting every boot ? |
| 03:53.50 | Smerdyakov | elgrande, sounds invasive. In fact, if I want to modify the code of the parent, I could make _it_ do what I am trying to write an external process to do. Thanks for the suggestion, though. |
| 03:53.53 | flowtron | abrotman : not if I modify the rcN.d's they're not ... |
| 03:53.54 | \Igor\ | for those who may be interested, the latest version of libgtk2.0-0 in sid breaks everything |
| 03:54.03 | abrotman | flowtron: right .. but by default .. they are the same |
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| 03:54.06 | FabParma | abrotman: yes |
| 03:54.12 | \Igor\ | gtk apps just keep on sucking memory until they segfault |
| 03:54.14 | abrotman | !tell FabParma about nodm |
| 03:54.20 | FabParma | for save resources |
| 03:54.24 | \Igor\ | this is being tracked down in bug #315083 |
| 03:54.32 | sigma957 | uzer: okay, don't make me pull it out of you.. what release do you want to use for this particular package? |
| 03:54.36 | abrotman | \Igor\: that prettyt much sucks huh :) |
| 03:54.39 | \Igor\ | this is nasty, someone may want to put this in the topic |
| 03:54.47 | compubomb | can someone join #flood and tell me how to fix this problem, i tryed installing 2.6.8-2 kernel and it gave me an error |
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| 03:54.56 | compubomb | i'm not really sure how to fi |
| 03:54.59 | FabParma | abrotman: thank you |
| 03:55.10 | rking | compubomb: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 03:55.11 | groulder | is there a dspam deb package around by any chance? |
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| 03:55.17 | sigma957 | personally I'd like to know when 2.6.12 will be packaged so I can upgrade udev |
| 03:55.17 | uzer | i wanted to try to install the unstable version of the uw-imapd package, since the one in testing is either broken or not working with my system |
| 03:55.31 | Gospel | im now using the new xchat I compiled :) |
| 03:55.32 | \Igor\ | abrotman: thank goodness for WindowMaker, but mozilla is also broken |
| 03:55.34 | abrotman | compubomb: you aborted the installation |
| 03:55.39 | Gospel | worked :) |
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| 03:55.42 | mfrisch | sigma957 kpkg ... |
| 03:55.43 | uzer | though i think it may be a problem with pam from what googling the error message tells me |
| 03:55.44 | \Igor\ | maybe it's time to install konqueror |
| 03:55.52 | flowtron | Gospel : good for you! |
| 03:55.57 | compubomb | abrotman: uh.. aborted the installation ?.. |
| 03:55.58 | compubomb | how so ?.. |
| 03:55.59 | dabaR | anyho,w good night. |
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| 03:56.02 | Gospel | flowtron: thanks :) |
| 03:56.06 | Smerdyakov | uzer, I like Courier IMAP more! |
| 03:56.06 | compubomb | bleh, brb, screen is acting funny |
| 03:56.23 | AM|R | some one help me |
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| 03:56.32 | Gospel | AM|R: u using Debian? |
| 03:56.34 | compubomb | sorry about that |
| 03:56.35 | mwilson | <sigh> I *so* do not like the new BTS. |
| 03:56.38 | abrotman | Gospel: "you" |
| 03:56.45 | elgrande | Smerdyakow: had to look up invasive... peace... |
| 03:56.45 | Gospel | abrotman: soon soon |
| 03:56.49 | abrotman | mwilson: it's so purty :) |
| 03:56.53 | flowtron | Gospel : A pleasure |
| 03:56.53 | compubomb | abrotman: i aborted the install in what way ?... |
| 03:56.54 | Gospel | abrotman: I ordered it from a website |
| 03:56.56 | compubomb | i hit Y |
| 03:56.56 | mwilson | But I find it hard to care about a bug that breaks crapfox. :) |
| 03:57.04 | chealer | sigma957: it's already done |
| 03:57.08 | abrotman | compubomb: you chose to abort it .. it asked you a Y/n question .. and you just hit enter didn't you ? |
| 03:57.13 | \Igor\ | awsome, and kde installation is broken because of the ABI transition... |
| 03:57.15 | compubomb | abrotman: nm, i'm a moron |
| 03:57.20 | abrotman | compubomb: ok :) |
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| 03:57.25 | mfrisch | damn are people going to run p0f to see what they are running before they are let in? |
| 03:57.26 | \Igor\ | sometimes I just love living on unstable :-> |
| 03:57.34 | mwilson | \igor\: Yes, so you use unstable because...? |
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| 03:57.40 | Gospel | i just ordered Debian from a website, 14 CD's :) |
| 03:57.42 | uzer | sigma957: any suggestion on how? |
| 03:57.47 | FabParma | abrotman: but every time i need xsever i have to install the gdm? |
| 03:57.49 | abrotman | Gospel: yay |
| 03:57.54 | Gospel | abrotman: :) |
| 03:57.56 | compubomb | abrotman: see, that is what happens when your mind plays tricks on you |
| 03:58.02 | spermie_411 | Gospel why order it? |
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| 03:58.06 | abrotman | FabParma: uhm .. did you read the thing .. you can just have them not start .. and then when you need them .. start them on your own |
| 03:58.07 | docgnome | What file do I edit to make sure a prog gets started at runtime? |
| 03:58.13 | \Igor\ | mwilson: good will towards Debian... someone's got to live on the front line |
| 03:58.16 | abrotman | docgnome: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 03:58.18 | rutski89 | The gnome menu isn't picking up any newly isntalled apps |
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| 03:58.35 | mwilson | \igor\: Uh, huh... whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 03:58.37 | Jabyaeye | i have a question for someone involving not being able to login either through console or ssh.... |
| 03:58.38 | flowtron | docgnome : every programs starts at runtime |
| 03:58.49 | rutski89 | The libgtk2-java package does not contain the necessary binary runtime libs for gtk-java; whats up with that? |
| 03:59.01 | docgnome | flowtron: blah, You know what i meant. |
| 03:59.45 | sigma957 | uzer: I would just go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and download the right deb and install with dpkg -i uw- blah blah |
| 04:00.06 | mwilson | rutski89: Exactly what libraries do you think it's supposed to include? |
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| 04:00.15 | spowers | i installed a debian kernel package, and now when i try to boot it, i get an error just after pivot_root that init cannot open 'dev/console' |
| 04:00.20 | spowers | it doesn't have /dev/console, just dev/console |
| 04:00.23 | Gospel | spermie_411: because I have modem :) |
| 04:01.00 | Gospel | spermie_411: i wouldnt try to download it with a modem :P |
| 04:01.06 | compubomb | abrotman: my eth1 keeps saying |
| 04:01.22 | spowers | anyone ever have that problem? |
| 04:01.23 | \Igor\ | mwilson: if you know a better way to find bugs in apps other than using them, you've got to tell the world about it |
| 04:01.25 | abrotman | compubomb: your NIC speaks ? |
| 04:01.26 | mfrisch | Gospel I am sorry ;) |
| 04:01.27 | Gospel | any1 tried rootkithunter? |
| 04:01.28 | elgrande | Smerdyakow, one last idea... find out where ps gets the info from... i can offer to try to find it out if you tell me where to put the result... i would try one week and get it done by 60% if you want. what do you think? |
| 04:01.33 | abrotman | Gospel: "anyone" |
| 04:01.35 | Gospel | mfrisch: not as sorry as me ;) |
| 04:01.38 | compubomb | eth1: too much work in interrupt, status e004.\n eth1: PCI bust error, bus status 8000020 |
| 04:01.40 | rutski89 | mwilson: libgtkjava.so, libgnomejava.so, and libgladejava.so |
| 04:01.48 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : Could it be that the initial login-lock-out wasn't released during runlevel initialisation? |
| 04:01.48 | rutski89 | mwilson: my stuff won't run without it |
| 04:01.50 | compubomb | i'm trying to setup a router |
| 04:01.53 | Gospel | abrotman: ok thanks ;) Anyone tried rootkithunter? |
| 04:02.01 | mwilson | \igor\: Never said I did. I have said before, and will say again, that unstable would benefit greatly from fewer cluebies using it. |
| 04:02.08 | rutski89 | mwilson: http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/bin/view/Main/EclipseDevelopment |
| 04:02.11 | abrotman | Gospel: i think chkrootkit is packaged |
| 04:02.13 | Jabyaeye | uhm...not usre...hjow do i check |
| 04:02.21 | compubomb | eth0 = dhcp, eth1 = static up which will broadcast dhcpd + handle NAT+firewall |
| 04:02.26 | Gospel | abrotman: rootkithunter seeems better than chkrootkit |
| 04:02.35 | elgrande | anyone knows about rresvport getting an unsupported adress af=10? |
| 04:02.39 | abrotman | Gospel: you shouldn't be getting rooted to begin with :) |
| 04:02.40 | Gospel | abrotman: http://www.rootkit.nl/articles/rootkit_hunter_faq.html |
| 04:02.45 | \Igor\ | mwilson: I'm flattered by your high opinion of me |
| 04:02.46 | Gospel | abrotman: LOL |
| 04:02.51 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : is X running? (are you expecting it to run?) |
| 04:02.58 | Jabyaeye | no X |
| 04:03.04 | Jabyaeye | console only |
| 04:03.08 | compubomb | abrotman: is it normal for it to do that ?... |
| 04:03.14 | FabParma | is there a way to use (init2) for normal server work and get the xserver for maintenance just typing init5? |
| 04:03.15 | flowtron | Jabayeye : what's the last message on TTY1 |
| 04:03.16 | abrotman | compubomb: do what? |
| 04:03.22 | abrotman | compubomb: your nic ? .. probably not |
| 04:03.22 | compubomb | for it to say that error ?.. |
| 04:03.24 | Jabyaeye | single user wants a root passwd too |
| 04:03.24 | compubomb | eth0 = dhcp, eth1 = static up which will broadcast dhcpd + handle NAT+firewall |
| 04:03.37 | compubomb | abrotman: essentially, that port is not hooked up to the inet |
| 04:03.41 | compubomb | i mean to a network |
| 04:04.02 | compubomb | do you think the nic will cry fowl because it's not connected to an ethernet cord ? |
| 04:04.10 | compubomb | when i assign an ip to it ? |
| 04:04.12 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: no errors until i login, then after entering passwd, it says Access Denied |
| 04:04.23 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : CAPS LOCK? |
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| 04:04.24 | spowers | thanks |
| 04:04.31 | Jabyaeye | no :-? |
| 04:04.40 | flowtron | z/y |
| 04:05.09 | flowtron | Jabayeye : did you change keyboard-layout? (from US to ...) |
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| 04:05.57 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: no, nothing changed hardware-wise...i suspect it got hot and rebooted on it's own |
| 04:06.19 | mwilson | rutski89: I couldn't care less about Java, or Eclipse, but even *I* was able to find the libraries. |
| 04:06.43 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : Let It Cool Off ... |
| 04:06.49 | rutski89 | mwilson: hehe |
| 04:06.50 | FabParma | is there a way to use Debian at (init 2 or 3) for normal server work and get the xserver just typing "init 5"? |
| 04:06.52 | rutski89 | mwilson: where were they? |
| 04:07.05 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: i did...still won't let me in |
| 04:07.14 | mfrisch | FabParma edit the runlevels... |
| 04:07.21 | Gospel | Hey I HIGHLY recommend you all get rootkithunter if you dont have it! http://www.rootkit.nl |
| 04:07.27 | flowtron | FabParma : Yes - there is. Edit your rcN.d's to do what you like in any runlevel you care to use expect for the standard of "2" |
| 04:07.31 | mwilson | rutski89: In libgtk2-jni, the package that libgtk2-java DEPENDS ON. Perhaps you've heard of *DEPENDS* before? |
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| 04:08.02 | FabParma | flowtron: i tried, but the grapic load anyway |
| 04:08.28 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: i tried copying over the shadow, passwd, and group from anoither working server and even re-apt-get --reinstalling the passwd, base-passwd, and all pam-related packages |
| 04:08.36 | FabParma | flowtron: i tried, but the grapic load anyway |
| 04:08.38 | rutski89 | mwilson: O.o Oops, sorry man *blushes* |
| 04:08.43 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : I think it's unlikely for "just the password" to have been eliminated by a crash - usually the system shows more wear&tear if it's totally gone ... |
| 04:08.47 | rutski89 | mwilson: got 'em! Thanks ;) |
| 04:08.48 | mfrisch | FabParma uninstall graphic display manager |
| 04:09.06 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : other than waiting longer, typing surer I think this is out-of-bounds for a chat-solution |
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| 04:09.27 | FabParma | mfrisch: but have i to install it every time i need xserver? |
| 04:09.51 | flowtron | FabParma : You have to disable (==delete) the starting links for all display-manager stuff (xdm, ...) |
| 04:10.08 | redguy | Jabyaeye: maybe you got 0wn3d? :-) |
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| 04:10.34 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: it is behind a firewall, and the box is unaffected |
| 04:10.41 | FabParma | flowtron: ok, ican do it, but when i need to start the x-server? |
| 04:10.48 | Jabyaeye | er..redguy |
| 04:10.57 | abrotman | FabParma: then you would /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 04:11.21 | FabParma | abrotman: only this? |
| 04:11.26 | flowtron | FabParma : In rc2.d delete the links (after checking they're also in rc3.d) and then |
| 04:11.40 | abrotman | FabParma: if you remove the gdm/xdm/kdm links from rc2.d |
| 04:11.44 | flowtron | FabParma : happy "init 3" / "init 2" / "init 3" / "halt" |
| 04:11.47 | ice_1963 | flowtron is Blackbox better then fluxbox do you know ????? |
| 04:12.21 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: when i type "root" at login prompt, i get "System bootup in progress - please wait"...does that mean anything to anyone? |
| 04:12.42 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : I asked at the beginning about initial login-lockout |
| 04:12.50 | Jabyaeye | when i type any user for that matter...not just root |
| 04:12.55 | Gospel | rootkithunter is HEAPS better than chkrootkit |
| 04:12.57 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : some process isn't finished ... |
| 04:13.08 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: sorry...didn't know what you meant |
| 04:13.18 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : but you do now :) |
| 04:13.28 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: yes, thanks |
| 04:13.44 | FabParma | flowtron: this changes can make unstable the server? |
| 04:14.03 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin ... hasn't run yet ... |
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| 04:14.35 | flowtron | FabParma : no - well - if you don't do nothing ... "stupid" |
| 04:14.36 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: ok... |
| 04:15.00 | FabParma | flowtron: obbiously |
| 04:15.12 | FabParma | flowtron: thanks again |
| 04:15.16 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : maybe "Ctrl+C" will stop the process blocking |
| 04:15.26 | Gospel | flowtron: hey I really like your nick. whats it mean? |
| 04:15.45 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: it just gives me the login prompt back |
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| 04:15.56 | redguy | Jabyaeye: though I'm no expert, but I'd boot that box from a rescue disk, mount root and chroot to it and then reset the password with passwd |
| 04:16.20 | flowtron | Gospel : nothing really, just a nick ;-) |
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| 04:16.41 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend a genealogy app for the "average joe" that has a win32 port |
| 04:16.51 | Gospel | flowtron: :) |
| 04:17.05 | Gospel | my hda at moment is ext3, can it be changed to reiserfs without losing data? |
| 04:17.08 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : do you have a "Recovery Mode" in your grub boot menu? |
| 04:17.15 | abrotman | Gospel: i don't think so |
| 04:17.25 | abrotman | Gospel: you'd want to back up your data before attempting it anyways .. of course :) |
| 04:17.26 | Gospel | abrotman: ok wasnt sure |
| 04:17.27 | redguy | Jabyaeye: or you could pass init=/bin/bash to the kernel commandline i think |
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| 04:17.28 | Jabyaeye | redguy: that's one of the problems i'm having too...it has a Promise SX4000 PCI RAID card supporting a RAID 5 setup...the module won't load unless it is the exact same kernel |
| 04:17.29 | War2 | I did an apt-get dist upgrade to etch, and while upgrading it threw this message (and aborted): perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 04:17.54 | War2 | LANGUAGE = "en_IN:en_US:en_GB:en", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_IN" are supported and installed on your system. |
| 04:17.55 | Jabyaeye | so i am unable to use rescue disk currently |
| 04:18.09 | Gospel | War2: I am very wary of apt-get dist upgrade, for they can cause your Debian to break if not careful |
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| 04:18.32 | War2 | Gospel: hm. What kind of breakage? |
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| 04:18.41 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: it uses some old ncurses version of lilo |
| 04:18.44 | Gospel | War2: why do u need to dist-upgrade anyway? |
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| 04:18.54 | Gospel | War2: Debian is not like windows |
| 04:18.55 | Jabyaeye | i have tried to upgrade it |
| 04:19.12 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : Knoppix? |
| 04:19.22 | Gospel | its its not broken, dont fix it I say |
| 04:19.32 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: didn't load the proper module for it |
| 04:19.44 | Gospel | if its not broken, dont fix it, is my philosophy |
| 04:19.55 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: i tried it....it uses the 2.6... |
| 04:19.56 | War2 | Gospel: I saw this in man apt-get: "dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, so intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages;" |
| 04:19.56 | abrotman | Gospel: "you" |
| 04:20.07 | War2 | Gospel: so tried it. |
| 04:20.12 | Gospel | people who want to dist-upgrade usually do so from a MS windows mindset |
| 04:20.19 | Jabyaeye | mine is 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 04:20.21 | War2 | Gospel: what kind of breakage are you talking about, and what does that got to do with Windows? |
| 04:20.24 | abrotman | Gospel: not really .. debian is a bit different like that |
| 04:20.31 | Gospel | War2: ok |
| 04:20.37 | abrotman | Gospel: sometimes a dist-upgrade is needed |
| 04:20.40 | Gospel | abrotman: hehe, ok "you" :) |
| 04:20.54 | abrotman | Gospel: i will keep doing that until it sinks in :) |
| 04:21.00 | Gospel | abrotman: u mean for security reasons? |
| 04:21.06 | abrotman | Gospel: "you" |
| 04:21.10 | Gospel | abrotman: thanks I need the reminders :) |
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| 04:21.18 | abrotman | Gospel: no .. running etch/sid is different than sarge .. |
| 04:21.31 | Gospel | abrotman: you mean for security reasons we need to dist-upgrade? |
| 04:21.35 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : I thought maybe you could boot with Knoppix and gain access to your HDD - like redguy suggested?!!? |
| 04:21.37 | abrotman | Gospel: not with sarge |
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| 04:21.51 | redguy | flowtron: you think that Jabyaeye might pass init=/bin/bash to the kernel mand re-set his password then? |
| 04:21.59 | abrotman | !dist-upgrade |
| 04:21.59 | Gospel | abrotman: ok, and did you notice my "you" ? :) |
| 04:21.59 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'stable->testing', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 04:22.11 | abrotman | which is out dated .. but oh well |
| 04:22.14 | War2 | !why not dist upgrade |
| 04:22.14 | dpkg | If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade, when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. |
| 04:22.16 | abrotman | Gospel: yes .. thank you :) |
| 04:22.25 | War2 | hmm |
| 04:22.31 | War2 | that helps. |
| 04:23.05 | Jabyaeye | redguy: i had ahem webmin installed and was able to copy over new passwd, group, and shadow files from another working server |
| 04:23.11 | chealer | War2: perhaps try setting LC_ALL, but this stuff is generally just annyoing |
| 04:23.15 | flowtron | redguy - more on the lines of rescue-disk in form of Knoppix ... but I ain't sure if he'd be able to passwd then ... |
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| 04:24.23 | flowtron | Aren't SHAs different from machine to machine?!? |
| 04:24.23 | Gospel | abrotman: whats the difference between "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
| 04:24.23 | chealer | War2: wait...LC_ALL isn't set for me neither |
| 04:24.36 | War2 | chealer: hm |
| 04:24.38 | Jabyaeye | the 2.4 kernel version of the FastTrak module is keeping Knoppix from seeing the disks at all |
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| 04:25.00 | Jabyaeye | i had to compile the module from source |
| 04:25.22 | War2 | chealer: I did a 'export LC_ALL = C', and now apt-get seems to be proceeding without any problems. Thanks. |
| 04:25.45 | sadfgg | I really need to know where the setting file is for MySQLCC in Linux, is there some way to do this? It is unpacked and not a package and I don't see any setting file |
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| 04:26.20 | redguy | Jabyaeye: maybe not knoppix then, maybe some install cd? |
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| 04:26.55 | abrotman | Gospel: for stable it's not needed ... |
| 04:27.30 | Jabyaeye | redguy: i tried the gentoo livecd with the same effect |
| 04:27.36 | tarheelcoxn | is there a seperate channel for debian-ppc? |
| 04:27.37 | Gospel | abrotman: whats not needed for stable? apt-get upgrade you mean? |
| 04:27.41 | abrotman | Gospel: it's used to upgrade from like stable to testing or to unstable .. or sometimes when running testing or unstable some packages will be held back .. when you run dist-upgrade .. it will install the held back packages |
| 04:27.45 | abrotman | Gospel: no .. dist-upgrade |
| 04:27.54 | Gospel | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 04:28.00 | Jabyaeye | redguy: the only access i have now is through webmin since it doesn't use system passwds |
| 04:28.41 | tarheelcoxn | I'm getting the following apt-get error, and I'm not sure how to fix it |
| 04:28.43 | tarheelcoxn | E: The package x11-common needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 04:29.27 | Gospel | what command or program can I use to make a mirror image copy of my hda? I want to backup myh hda to my hdb. |
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| 04:29.47 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: so you don't think it was corrupted by an errant reboot? |
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| 04:30.19 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : no - but by your copying of the passwd files ... the encryption varies from machine to machine! |
| 04:30.32 | tarheelcoxn | Gospel: cp -aR foo/ bar/ |
| 04:30.33 | Gospel | abrotman: night |
| 04:30.33 | rking | abrotman: later fella! |
| 04:30.41 | tarheelcoxn | foo is on hda |
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| 04:30.46 | tarheelcoxn | bar is on hdb |
| 04:30.54 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: hmm... |
| 04:31.06 | halibut | why to install jackd is it asking me to remove so many other packages? |
| 04:31.10 | rking | Gospel: cp is good for the first one, but after that you'll want to look into rsync. |
| 04:31.22 | Gospel | tarheelcoxn: so all I do is type "cp -aR foo/ bar/" and this will make an exact copy of my hda to my hdb? |
| 04:31.35 | Gospel | rking: ok |
| 04:31.36 | redguy | Gospel: If you want an image file you might want to read about dd |
| 04:31.49 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : Please tell us you kept a backup?! |
| 04:31.49 | Gospel | redguy: ok thanks |
| 04:32.09 | tarheelcoxn | Gospel: replace "foo" with the directory you want to copy _from_ |
| 04:32.14 | rking | redguy: does dd work well even the disk sizes/geometries aren't the same? |
| 04:32.21 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: yeah, everything is backuped |
| 04:32.28 | tarheelcoxn | Gospel: replace "bar" with the directory you want to copy _to_ |
| 04:32.44 | redguy | rking: you can dd if=/dev/hda of=hda.img |
| 04:32.44 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: possible format and re-install? |
| 04:32.54 | sadfgg | Is there some file scanner like filemon for linux? |
| 04:33.02 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : try copying your original passwd files (all) to the machine and then login ... |
| 04:33.17 | Jabyaeye | ok |
| 04:33.21 | Gospel | tarheelcoxn: i want to copy whole hda, to my root on hdb! So would that be ""cp -aR / hdb1/" ? |
| 04:33.21 | rking | redguy: ahh, right |
| 04:33.31 | redguy | rking: erm, not sure now. certainly you can do it with if=/dev/hda1 |
| 04:33.33 | liable | sadfgg: that does what? |
| 04:33.36 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : yeah, that's also possible @ re-install, but ... maybe not neccessary :) |
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| 04:33.48 | rob_lt | sadfgg: tripwire? |
| 04:33.48 | rking | Gospel: is "hdb1/" a directory you mounted? |
| 04:34.00 | Gospel | rking: hdb1 is my second HD |
| 04:34.07 | redguy | rking: but i suppose that you can do it with /dev/hda as well |
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| 04:34.17 | sadfgg | liable, scans for modifyed files |
| 04:34.27 | redguy | no root-alarm anymore? |
| 04:34.41 | chealer | !tell tarheelcoxn about debian-ppc |
| 04:34.48 | Gospel | rking: my source is hda and my destination is hdb! |
| 04:34.52 | rking | Gospel: right, but the string "hdb1/" there isn't magical - you need to mount hdb1 somewhere, then do the cp -a / into it. I hope this won't recurse on you... hrm... there's probably a better way for this |
| 04:34.57 | rking | Gospel: apt-cache search backup |
| 04:34.58 | tarheelcoxn | chealer: thanks |
| 04:35.07 | Gospel | ok |
| 04:35.20 | liable | sadfgg: not sure what you want, but as rob_lt suggested, maybe tripwire, or maybe debsums is what you want. |
| 04:35.23 | chealer | halibut: under which release? |
| 04:35.39 | halibut | chealer, Mepis, if that's what release means? |
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| 04:36.05 | chealer | halibut: it doesn't mean that. mepis is your distro. but you're on the wrong channel anyway then |
| 04:36.25 | JeffH_ | anyone here have a setup on thier linux box to backup thier windows box? |
| 04:36.30 | Gospel | halibut: try #mepis |
| 04:36.55 | halibut | yes, more busy here though, and I thought one was based on the other |
| 04:37.02 | sadfgg | liable, when I modify some settings in a gui application (ex mysqlcc) I want to know where the setting file is located |
| 04:37.12 | ke6isf | !debian based |
| 04:37.12 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 04:37.24 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : You said you had webmin control - can you see process running? stop them? |
| 04:37.34 | liable | sadfgg: most config files are in /etc. |
| 04:37.41 | Azar | halibut, based does not mean "same" |
| 04:37.55 | halibut | ok, excuse me |
| 04:38.14 | flowtron | s/process/processes/ |
| 04:38.15 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: yes, what processes to stop? |
| 04:38.15 | ke6isf | halibut: Why don't you just install Sarge? |
| 04:38.22 | JeffH_ | anyone here tried dirvish? |
| 04:38.25 | Azar | based is like they took the model and developed from there in another direction |
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| 04:38.37 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : good q - depends on your rc2.d really |
| 04:38.53 | _joey | is anyone using wireless on linux and could help me with network connectivity ? |
| 04:38.55 | halibut | ke6isf, mepis was recommended to me, is there really all that much of a difference? |
| 04:38.56 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : any zombies? |
| 04:39.02 | chealer | halibut: it's always the case. that doesn't mean we're interested in supporting any fork though |
| 04:39.08 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: passwd files copied back,,,still same error |
| 04:39.52 | ke6isf | !mepis |
| 04:39.52 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 04:39.59 | redguy | Jabyaeye: any oddities in logs? if you can access them through webmin |
| 04:40.21 | ke6isf | halibut: What dpkg said. |
| 04:40.28 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: no zombie processes |
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| 04:40.58 | Jabyaeye | redguy: i have looked the logs over all weekend and found nothing to indicate foulplay |
| 04:41.05 | ke6isf | halibut: The only basis that Mepis has with Debian is APT. Other than that, comparing the two is like comparing ozone and oxygen. |
| 04:41.10 | JeffH_ | What's the best way to setup a linux server to backup a windows box? |
| 04:41.24 | Gospel | ke6isf: whats APT? |
| 04:41.38 | ke6isf | Gospel: Shaddap. |
| 04:41.42 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: i'm wondering if this hardware is just unstable |
| 04:41.52 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 04:42.29 | ke6isf | flowtron: Woohoo, seein' the sunrise. |
| 04:42.29 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : maybe you can shut down processes one by one |
| 04:42.37 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: thanks for your help |
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| 04:42.42 | Jabyaeye | yes |
| 04:42.50 | ke6isf | Gospel: http://www.debian.org will have answers to all of your questions. |
| 04:42.58 | Gospel | ke6isf: ok thank you |
| 04:43.17 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : then maybe you can login when the defunct process dies ... - runlevel init finishes ... 99rmnologin runs |
| 04:43.34 | flowtron | Carpe Diem @ ALL |
| 04:43.40 | dondelelcaro | JeffH_: depends on what you actually want to back up; in most cases using samba will work, in others using rsync or similar on the windows is probably better. |
| 04:43.49 | Jabyaeye | flowtron: ok..i'll try it |
| 04:44.18 | flowtron | Jabyaeye : Good luck. Hope you'll get by without re-install! |
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| 04:44.32 | compubomb | what is this ?.. ipt_nth |
| 04:44.34 | JeffH_ | dondelelcaro: ideally there would be some client on the windows box that I could select files to backup. |
| 04:44.38 | compubomb | is there a package for that in debian ?.. |
| 04:44.40 | Jabyaeye | :-P |
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| 04:45.02 | dondelelcaro | JeffH_: well, that will necessarily be a windows specific question; find the client, then set up the Debian box to accept files from that client. |
| 04:45.37 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: it looks like an iptables module, and most of them are packaged in the kernels. |
| 04:45.50 | JeffH_ | I do that now. I was hoping to find a solution that was more pull based from Linux rather than Push based from Windows. |
| 04:45.51 | redguy | Jabyaeye: try with init=/bin/bash before the reinstall :-) meybe some one else here can give you more help.. |
| 04:46.37 | Jabyaeye | redguy: ok...you're refering at boot time, correct? |
| 04:46.43 | sadfgg | I search for a monitoring tool lets you see all file system activity in real-time |
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| 04:47.10 | redguy | Jabyaeye: yup, at the boot: prompt |
| 04:47.11 | Azar | sadfgg, you mean processes? |
| 04:47.32 | Jabyaeye | redguy: thanks for your help...now off to bed with myself |
| 04:47.52 | redguy | Jabyaeye: me too, good luck with this! |
| 04:47.58 | sadfgg | Azar, yes, like if I modify a setting in a GUI application the monitor tools tell me where the setting file is located |
| 04:48.49 | Azar | sadfgg, I am not familiar with GUI, but this sound like midnightcommander tool |
| 04:49.18 | Azar | .. mdc |
| 04:49.39 | chealer | dondelelcaro: are you saying rsync runs on redmond software? |
| 04:49.43 | ginipig | hi guys. how do you guys have sudoers set up to allow users to apt-get/cache? |
| 04:50.03 | dondelelcaro | JeffH_: then run samba and pull using rsync through the samba share. |
| 04:50.12 | dondelelcaro | chealer: it should if you're using cygwin |
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| 04:50.27 | dondelelcaro | not that I really care anyway, since that's totally OT for this channel. |
| 04:50.32 | sadfgg | Azar, hmm, how do you find a setting file if you don't know where it is (if it's not in /etc/)? |
| 04:50.55 | Azar | sadfgg, define "setting" file |
| 04:51.04 | liable | sadfgg: whatever package it is, do, dpkg -L foo |
| 04:51.16 | redguy | sadfgg: most of app settings are stored in $HOME |
| 04:51.37 | sadfgg | it's not a package |
| 04:51.55 | LinuxNIT-laptop | how do i get a script i wrote to start at boot? |
| 04:51.57 | ke6isf | ginipig: Why would you want to do that? |
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| 04:52.04 | sadfgg | it's MySQL Control Center, and it's just unpacked as it should |
| 04:52.25 | Azar | sadfgg, "search" and "locate" are commands to find files |
| 04:52.48 | mombof | sadfgg, did you try whereis config.file |
| 04:52.49 | Azar | errrr, "find" and "locate" |
| 04:53.17 | redguy | sadfgg: unpacked? |
| 04:53.35 | mombof | sadfgg, it also may be in /var/lib/prollymysql |
| 04:53.52 | sadfgg | LinuxNIT-laptop, you build a rc script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 04:54.03 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok |
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| 04:54.23 | liable | LinuxNIT-laptop: man update-rc.d |
| 04:55.30 | LinuxNIT-laptop | k |
| 04:55.32 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thankd |
| 04:55.57 | sadfgg | redguy, yes it was in ~ |
| 04:56.02 | chealer | dondelelcaro: oh, I see :/ |
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| 05:01.29 | mombof | anyone kow where of if you can get a processor upgrade for a qube2? |
| 05:02.18 | liable | #hardware? |
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| 05:02.49 | mombof | tx |
| 05:03.10 | saeba | hello ! |
| 05:03.32 | saeba | asp |
| 05:04.05 | saeba | #malang |
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| 05:13.40 | Azar | rather quiet night here |
| 05:16.55 | Azar | huh DCC seems to have changed lots of spirits.. |
| 05:17.34 | liable | eh? |
| 05:17.51 | Azar | Debian Common Core |
| 05:18.01 | sadfgg | how can I get the MD5 sum of: thisword ? |
| 05:18.13 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: echo -n 'thisword' |md5sum |
| 05:18.31 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, thank you |
| 05:18.54 | dondelelcaro | !md5sum thisword |
| 05:18.56 | dpkg | 88b607f5203f9959ce13d14d3f106a15 |
| 05:18.58 | dondelelcaro | works as well. |
| 05:19.10 | Azar | :) nice |
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| 05:19.29 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, =), what is the -n options? |
| 05:19.44 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: help echo |
| 05:20.00 | sadfgg | yes |
| 05:20.14 | Azar | liable want to read the article? I am just getting update, been offline for more than a week |
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| 05:20.30 | liable | Azar: sure, nothing better to do :) |
| 05:20.40 | Azar | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1845318,00.asp |
| 05:21.04 | putri | hAI BOLEH KNALAN GAKS |
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| 05:22.02 | putri | SIAPA NIEH,DARI NEGARA MANA? |
| 05:22.12 | xbmodder | how can I convert a msf file? |
| 05:22.18 | dondelelcaro | putri: lose the caps and speak english in #debian, please. |
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| 05:22.57 | putri | BISA PAKAI B.INDONESIA GAK! |
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| 05:23.57 | redguy | he soundded like a klingon :? |
| 05:23.59 | redguy | :/ |
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| 05:24.08 | ke6isf | redguy: No, that would be Gaelic. |
| 05:24.43 | Phated | Bahasa Indonesia. |
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| 05:25.48 | zorzella | someone digs sendmail? I just switched my old to new server, and the new server's sendmail refuses connections that do not come from 127.0.0.1 |
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| 05:26.10 | zorzella | (or rather that don't GO to 127.0.0.1!!) |
| 05:26.11 | ke6isf | !sendmail |
| 05:26.11 | dpkg | sendmail is, like, ask me to start an mta war. |
| 05:28.06 | dondelelcaro | zorzella: yes, that's probably because you're running the default configuration that only listens on localhost. |
| 05:28.14 | dondelelcaro | zorzella: run dpkg-reconfigure sendmail; and set it up not to do that. |
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| 05:29.20 | zorzella | dondelcaro: "dpkg-reconfigure sendmail" returns without any prompt... |
| 05:29.38 | xbmodder | rm Dossy |
| 05:29.45 | zorzella | dondelelcaro: "dpkg-reconfigure sendmail" returns without any prompt... |
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| 05:30.04 | dondelelcaro | dimm0k: it's probably sendmail-cf that you need to reconfigure. |
| 05:30.06 | czhenk | my xseesion-error file keeps growing in size, it is mostly: Xlib: extension "SHAPE" missing in display "0:0". what's the problem here? |
| 05:30.14 | dondelelcaro | s/dimm0k/zorzella/ |
| 05:30.32 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: something is trying to use the xlib shape extension which doesn't exist. |
| 05:31.21 | czhenk | dondelelcaro, how to find out what is that something? Or how to add in the "SHAPE"? |
| 05:31.29 | Azar | the news are very confusing for me, what do they want to do? where Debian will be left with regards at DCCA perspective? |
| 05:32.08 | dondelelcaro | Azar: Debian has nothing (or very little) to do with the DCC/DCCA. |
| 05:32.22 | dondelelcaro | Azar: So far, they haven't done much more than make a press release. |
| 05:32.47 | Azar | dondelecaro, I can see all forks have united, I guess they want to go commercial |
| 05:32.54 | dondelelcaro | (and lead to me answering 8 billion questions about it) |
| 05:33.04 | dondelelcaro | Azar: those forks are already commercial. |
| 05:33.04 | zorzella | dondelelcaro: I tried s, s-base, s-bin, s-cf. No prompt :^< I'm assuming that's not something I can fix with sendmailconfig (which I tried). Is there a file somewhere I can edit by hand |
| 05:33.11 | Azar | :) yes indeed |
| 05:33.17 | dondelelcaro | zorzella: sure, /etc/mail/sendmail.mc |
| 05:33.29 | dondelelcaro | zorzella: edit it, then run make in /etc/mail; done. |
| 05:33.50 | czhenk | Azar, what's the latest news about Debian? Pls provide link. |
| 05:34.04 | Eclipser | !pls |
| 05:34.04 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
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| 05:34.32 | DarkSith | morning people |
| 05:34.39 | Azar | about Debian nothing, but it seems like Debian-based distros have united |
| 05:34.41 | Eclipser | morning |
| 05:35.00 | czhenk | Azar, in what way? |
| 05:35.19 | Azar | czhenk http://www.computerwire.com/industries/research/?pid=7F439355-9450-4C50-8B4A-F331BA33991E |
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| 05:35.40 | DarkSith | im new to debian, just installed sarge last night. But now i want to upgrade to kde 3.4. how do i do that? |
| 05:36.05 | liable | !topicbadger DarkSith |
| 05:36.05 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that DarkSith didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 05:36.20 | Bac9 | what version of sun jdk do gij-3.3 and gij-40 implement respectivly? |
| 05:36.28 | ke6isf | Azar, czhenk: Wow. That's going to have about as much effect on Debian as cutting a hole in a puddle of water. |
| 05:36.36 | Azar | DarkSith sarge is the stable version , I guess higher kde run on "unstable" |
| 05:36.37 | Bac9 | s/jdk/jre |
| 05:36.52 | zorzella | dondelelcaro: dude, I found the option, commented the line, ran make, restarted sendmail and I'm still hosed... :^< |
| 05:37.37 | Azar | ke6isf, I am glad Debian stays put, commercial alliances sound bad to my ears |
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| 05:37.50 | dondelelcaro | zorzella: use the paster bot to paste your sendmail.mc and sendmail.cf |
| 05:38.16 | ke6isf | Azar: Well, note that the article says "debian based" multiple times, though they too can't seem to figure out that IT ISN'T DEBIAN. |
| 05:38.56 | ke6isf | Azar: Which likely means we'll be fielding questions about Debian based stuff to a bunch of Microsofties with the usual responses. |
| 05:38.58 | Azar | ke6isf, that is what I said too, I was just curious to see where Debian community stands |
| 05:39.19 | ke6isf | Azar: Ask dpkg about 'debian based'. That's the answer. |
| 05:39.23 | Pezz453 | Hey kids. I've been lookin around at some virus scanners, and some CD burning tools (Deb3.1), anyone have any favorites? |
| 05:39.30 | ke6isf | kids? |
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| 05:39.31 | Azar | ke6isf, nope the way I see this channel , I guess they figured it out already |
| 05:39.46 | ke6isf | Azar: Indeed. |
| 05:39.47 | zorzella | dondelelcaro: can you tell me how to do this "paster bot"? I'm comp savvy, but not exactly an IRC rat... |
| 05:39.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell zorzella -about paster |
| 05:40.06 | dondelelcaro | Azar: the basic response is that it may be useful, but there's nothing concrete yet, mixed with consternation that they're using the trademark without permision. |
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| 05:40.33 | Azar | dondelecaro: :) |
| 05:40.39 | Pezz453 | Virus scanner, and CD burning tools. anyone? |
| 05:40.56 | Pezz453 | I hear clam is great (virus) |
| 05:41.01 | ice_1963 | k3b |
| 05:41.13 | paster | Someone at 67.122.205.176 pasted "divert(-1)dnl #---------------" (134 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/475 |
| 05:41.22 | Bac9 | Peanut343: clamav, graveman |
| 05:41.44 | Azar | hmm I assume Debian has evolved a lot if there are viruses roaming already |
| 05:41.50 | Bac9 | Pezz453: clamav, graveman, gomebaker |
| 05:41.54 | Bac9 | Peanut343: woops |
| 05:42.01 | VivekVC | Is there a quiz, trivia package for debian ? |
| 05:42.13 | smhar | i usually usy k3b, but I am planning to learn how to do it with the command line .. |
| 05:42.22 | ke6isf | Pezz453: K3B |
| 05:42.23 | Pezz453 | preciate it ;] |
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| 05:42.26 | paster | Someone at 67.122.205.176 pasted "# # Copyright (c) 1998-2005 Ri" (2061 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/476 |
| 05:42.26 | smhar | for times when you boot from a floppy |
| 05:42.27 | dondelelcaro | zorzella: ok, that looks right; have you stoped and restarted sendmail? |
| 05:42.35 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend a genealogy app for the "average joe" |
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| 05:42.45 | zorzella | dondelelcaro: /etc/init.d/sendmail restart |
| 05:42.47 | happy_broccoli_ | anyone done pptp on linux |
| 05:43.18 | Eclipser | !tell happy_broccoli_ about polls |
| 05:43.51 | dondelelcaro | zorzella: also, it should be dnl #; not just #. |
| 05:44.20 | happy_broccoli_ | !tell ecplisper thx i dont care piss off or get smart |
| 05:44.20 | czhenk | Azar, ke6isf, just finish reading the article. I think it is bad. Most likely Debian will go the way of RedHat, non-free enterprise version and a free but less powerful version. The Price of $849 for a download is crazy. |
| 05:44.32 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: it has NOTHING to do with Debian. |
| 05:44.40 | ke6isf | !tell czhenk -about debian based |
| 05:44.51 | ke6isf | czhenk: Please note that the distros mentioned ARE. NOT. DEBIAN. |
| 05:45.04 | ke6isf | czhenk: This will not affect Debian. |
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| 05:45.21 | zorzella | dondelelcaro: YOU ARE MY HERO! |
| 05:45.23 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: or at least, shouldn't in a negative way, beyond all the people asking questions about it. |
| 05:45.24 | ke6isf | czhenk: See dondelelcaro's earlier esponse to Azar. |
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| 05:46.00 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Like I said, we're going to give a lot more "Foo is not Debian" lines. =O.o= |
| 05:46.00 | betox | what can i do with? : Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 05:46.18 | czhenk | I know, distros for Debian and Debian are different. But there will be two camps, those who belong and those who don't, and they will develop Debian along different line. |
| 05:46.20 | zorzella | dondelelcaro: would you do me a(nother) great favour and send me an email? I think my address is "blacklisted" in gmail and yahoo for a while, you see... |
| 05:46.40 | dondelelcaro | betox: give us the entire output of the apt-get/aptitude run using the pasterbot |
| 05:46.41 | ke6isf | czhenk: No, they will not develop Debian. They will develop stuff based on Zandros, etc. |
| 05:46.49 | defcon8 | anyone want to buy a ian mudrock signed turkish freebsd handbook off me? |
| 05:46.55 | defcon8 | murdock* |
| 05:47.06 | ke6isf | !fish defcon8 |
| 05:47.13 | Azar | czhenk, everything seem to be based on Sarge so far and I guess Etch will be implemented on all at same time |
| 05:47.17 | dondelelcaro | defcon8: #debian is not Ebay. Ebay is that way --> |
| 05:47.25 | czhenk | the q is, will the enterprise version they developed be free? |
| 05:47.28 | defcon8 | lo |
| 05:47.30 | defcon8 | lol |
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| 05:47.50 | defcon8 | i dont have enough money to sell either |
| 05:47.52 | ke6isf | czhenk: The answer is "It's not Debian." |
| 05:47.54 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: no, there will just be two camps like there is now, Debian, and things that are not Debian. |
| 05:48.13 | Azar | czhenk, no I guess the Enterprise will be commercial, Debian will stay free (I hope) |
| 05:48.18 | defcon8 | can anyone linkme to a debian framebuffer howto? |
| 05:48.32 | czhenk | who decides for debian, whether to go commercial or not. |
| 05:48.36 | dondelelcaro | Debian will remain free as long as there are developers willing to develop for it. |
| 05:48.50 | ke6isf | !faq |
| 05:48.50 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 05:48.57 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: the Developers do. There are 1000 of us, and there's no way we're going to go commercial. |
| 05:49.06 | Azar | I guess it is best that Debian stays with its community and developers, we don't need CEOs to dictate how Debian is to be developed |
| 05:49.10 | \Igor\ | czhenk: debian social contract => debian remains free |
| 05:49.22 | defcon8 | is debian a company btw? |
| 05:49.31 | defcon8 | no it cant be |
| 05:49.34 | defcon8 | doesnt make money lol |
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| 05:49.40 | dondelelcaro | defcon8: no, it's not. It's an organization; the parent is SPI which is a 501(c)(3). |
| 05:49.50 | ke6isf | defcon8: Companies exist that don't make money. |
| 05:49.51 | czhenk | can that 1000 of you stop the development of a enterprise version of debian? |
| 05:49.56 | defcon8 | really? |
| 05:49.56 | ke6isf | defcon8: Just look at the dot bomb. |
| 05:50.01 | defcon8 | what about shareholders and stuff :| |
| 05:50.04 | ke6isf | defcon8: OK, they don't exist anymore... |
| 05:50.11 | ke6isf | defcon8: You don't have to be public to be a company. |
| 05:50.21 | happy_broccoli_ | whats the name of that thing that compiles kernel config information into the kernel; |
| 05:50.25 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: anyone is free to develop an enterprise version of Debian. It just won't be Debian anymore, and can't be called Debian. |
| 05:50.26 | xbmodder | anyone here know how to export a mailbox in mozilla thunderbird? |
| 05:50.47 | defcon8 | anyone link meto how to get the fb working on debian please |
| 05:50.53 | mwilson | Why would they need to stop one? Let someone create an enterprise distribution if they like. They can't call it Debian, therefore it is not Debian. It is at best Debian-based. |
| 05:50.55 | Azar | czhenk, the enterprise, or the commercial development is not bad, Debian needs to have a side that raises in the market |
| 05:50.58 | czhenk | there will be one camp developing for free, another developing for commercialisation. there will be 2 ver of debian! |
| 05:51.00 | liable | happy_broccoli_: make menuconfig?? |
| 05:51.08 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: no, there won't be. |
| 05:51.14 | \Igor\ | czhenk: the better question is whether an enterprize version can stop 1000 developers from working on the free one, and the answer is no |
| 05:51.22 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: I don't know how much clearer I can make it for you. |
| 05:51.27 | mwilson | No, there will be one version of Debian, and one version of whatever the other one ends up being called. |
| 05:51.29 | defcon8 | is even enterprise written with a Z in america? |
| 05:51.32 | defcon8 | naah no way |
| 05:51.48 | Azar | somehow I wished just not having to use the Debian name on the commercialized versions |
| 05:51.58 | junk | Could you give me a best forum about Debian? |
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| 05:52.24 | czhenk | defcon8, being enterprise is written with a $. |
| 05:52.51 | defcon8 | i want to be an owner of an enterprise when i grow up |
| 05:52.52 | dondelelcaro | Azar: they probably won't be able to; we're already considering forcing them to stop using the word Debian in the DCC acronym. |
| 05:53.18 | dondelelcaro | junk: there are a few dozen of the things; however, most real discussions occur on mailing lists, not using web formus. |
| 05:53.29 | mwilson | Who's going to do the forcing? SPI? |
| 05:53.39 | mwilson | SPI has that kind of money? |
| 05:53.42 | ke6isf | defcon8: That's wonderful. |
| 05:53.44 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: the trademark holder; and yes. |
| 05:53.49 | defcon8 | ke6isf, yeah i know |
| 05:53.52 | Azar | I am glad, they should get another name for reference |
| 05:54.00 | defcon8 | i feel happy for myelf i have ambitions to study and do well |
| 05:54.25 | czhenk | dondelelcaro, they will be happy not to use the name Debian, and be free of royalty or IPR or whatever obligations. |
| 05:54.49 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: I'm not sure I follow you. |
| 05:55.16 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: I think he's suggesting Irish diplomacy. =^_^= |
| 05:56.29 | Azar | I like Debian as is now, and I like the way it goes, I do not want a microsoftian way of development on it |
| 05:56.32 | EvanCarroll | Ubuntu is already targetting the server market, hoary came with a 'server' arguement in the installation |
| 05:56.40 | defcon8 | ohhh yeah |
| 05:56.41 | EvanCarroll | Ubuntu -- debian based |
| 05:56.46 | defcon8 | what was with microsoft and debian? i forgot |
| 05:57.09 | czhenk | dondelelcaro, this 'enterprise' version is based on debian which is developed by volunteers over a long time. there is a lot worth there. it is being used as a base for a commercial product, just like that? |
| 05:57.38 | EvanCarroll | Not to say i would run ubuntu on a server, i would run strict debian, but I dont trust either any more than the other as far as stamping production ready, and if i wanted kde or gnome on my server I would pick ubuntu/kubuntu because I feel they are more developed on the X side than debian |
| 05:58.08 | EvanCarroll | Debian has some ass backwards defaults that ubuntu correctly adjucts, case and point: dpkg, and and xorg.conf. |
| 05:58.09 | ke6isf | EvanCarroll: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 05:58.19 | Azar | commercial development of an OS is more based on "looks" and "commercial efficiency" that lacks quality and security |
| 05:58.36 | EvanCarroll | I never said Ubuntu was debian, i said it is a debian based, and that it is begging to target the server market |
| 05:58.41 | mwilson | How is dpkg a "default"? |
| 05:58.47 | defcon8 | Azar, istn all you need to do is make a ne wkde theme for "look"? |
| 05:58.51 | defcon8 | "looks"* |
| 05:59.01 | sporkbomb | EvanCarroll: ummm...why would you need gnome or kde on a server that badly? |
| 05:59.05 | ke6isf | EvanCarroll: And again, that this is happening means nothing to Debian. |
| 05:59.44 | EvanCarroll | sporkbomb: I already said I dont, but people comming from Win2k3 Advanced Enterprise Server, DO, or atleast want that, and not just that, but they want the interface to be just as polished as windows |
| 06:00.20 | sporkbomb | EvanCarroll: I see what you mean now. |
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| 06:00.47 | EvanCarroll | ke6isf: I never said it does, someone mentioned a server distribution of debian, someone else said that it wouldn't be debian, it would be debian based, next thing that needed to be added ,is there is already a debian-based distro targetting server market. just conversation... |
| 06:00.48 | Azar | EvanCarroll, again niceties that hide vulnerabilities and bugs: commercial software |
| 06:01.30 | junk | EVan Is the Ubuntu popular in your friends? |
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| 06:01.49 | ke6isf | A server distro of Debian... I can't even think of an analogy for that, however bad mine tend to be. =^^= |
| 06:01.55 | simy_ | where can i find out how to remotly use xserver? |
| 06:02.00 | simy_ | preferably over ssh |
| 06:02.30 | EvanCarroll | Ubuntu is very popular at my LUG, it has stormed in and converted about 50% of the RH guys, and a good portion of us that used to use debian, I came to this channel for dpkg, because i never remember marillats url, and i love that blootbot, i used to hang out here all the time |
| 06:02.33 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 06:02.37 | simy_ | ello? |
| 06:02.52 | czhenk | dondelelcaro, any thougts on what I last said? |
| 06:03.08 | xbmodder | dpkg, are you a blootbot? |
| 06:03.19 | EvanCarroll | dpkg, tell xbmodder about dpkg |
| 06:03.30 | sporkbomb | EvanCarroll: did you find out marillat's url, or do you still need it? |
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| 06:03.49 | \Igor\ | simy_: enable X11 forwarding in /etc/ssh{,d}_config, and just ssh to a remote box while in X |
| 06:03.52 | mwilson | You really can't take anything a LUG does seriously, you know. |
| 06:03.58 | EvanCarroll | I found it =d i just wanted to get in on that server based debian conversation, i might idle here and help a bit |
| 06:04.16 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: sure, why not? That's the whole point of free software. |
| 06:04.22 | czhenk | \Igor\, back to the point you raised earlier. neither side can stop the other from working. The final decision will be made by the users or how popular each version is. |
| 06:04.32 | simy_ | \Igor\ i have to use a windows box, using putty.... to get to the xserver... |
| 06:04.42 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: anyone who wants to is free to take the distribution and fork it, so long as they obey the licenses of the code contained therein. |
| 06:04.43 | sporkbomb | The LUG at my school is obsessed w/ gentoo. It's what the cool kids at my college use now. |
| 06:04.45 | ke6isf | simy_: In that case, cygwin. |
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| 06:05.31 | simy_ | no what i would like to try to do, is get xserver running in a terminal of a windows computer, ie use my servers x window from my laptop when in windows.... |
| 06:05.37 | EvanCarroll | sporkbomb: the cool kids i know would rather use their computer than waste crutial time compiling needlessly on it |
| 06:06.00 | ke6isf | !gentoosmite sporkbomb |
| 06:06.18 | sporkbomb | hehe |
| 06:06.47 | \Igor\ | simy_: I think you're thinking about it the wrong way around |
| 06:06.52 | deadcat | xbmodder: you in sf or around bay area? |
| 06:07.31 | \Igor\ | simy_: usually you want to run apps on a remote box but have them output the graphical interface to the monitor in front of you |
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| 06:07.33 | EvanCarroll | there is alot of truth behind that insult, look at the benchmarks of gentoo, because 95% of the people use it laregely to be perceived as cool, you will find on average they really run slower than binary distributions, and a good percentage of those that dont run slower, see gains less than 2% |
| 06:07.46 | xbmodder | deadcat, pleasanton, ca :_ |
| 06:07.47 | simy_ | \Igor\ that would be fine too... :) |
| 06:08.00 | \Igor\ | simy_: that's what an X server lets you do, but windows doesn't have one... unless you install it |
| 06:08.04 | simy_ | \Igor\ thats what i want to do i thought i needed the entire server tho |
| 06:08.17 | deadcat | xbmodder: i got to DVC. my friend and i live around there too. |
| 06:08.25 | czhenk | Is Ian Murdock who is mentioned in the article the 'ian' part of Debian? |
| 06:08.27 | xbmodder | deadcat, what city? |
| 06:08.31 | dondelelcaro | czhenk: Yes. |
| 06:08.46 | czhenk | What happen to Debra? |
| 06:08.47 | deadcat | xbmodder: hes in alamo, i am in pittsburg |
| 06:08.51 | \Igor\ | simy_: i'd recommend Cygwin with X and ssh |
| 06:09.03 | xbmodder | deadcat, I have probably given you enough info so that you can find my house |
| 06:09.15 | simy_ | \Igor\ well heres another problem i have, i need to login to a local part of my server through konqueror, and im not at home, although its not a priority, its somthign ild like to fix.... |
| 06:09.25 | deadcat | xbmodder: thats ok. i am too lazy (= |
| 06:09.26 | simy_ | i mean network... |
| 06:10.04 | bwlang_ | got a problem with my stable system... it's been locking up every few days during the nightly backup. I see no error in the logs - they system is just unresponsive - not even to sysreq. I have a temp log from a few minutes before the lock - cpu = 59C mb = 40C. Any idea what might be wrong? |
| 06:10.07 | simy_ | \Igor\ is there anyway to do that? |
| 06:10.19 | czhenk | so the founder is going commercial. that's the end of the story. |
| 06:10.22 | \Igor\ | simy_: where will the konqueror app be running? |
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| 06:10.51 | EvanCarroll | bwlang_: 40C shoulden't warrent lockup on most archs |
| 06:11.17 | EvanCarroll | bwlang_: what kernel version are you running? |
| 06:11.19 | bwlang_ | EvanCarroll: yeah - seems to be within normal range... i don't know what could be causing this... |
| 06:11.35 | bwlang_ | seems to be related to disk activity... |
| 06:11.41 | simy_ | \Igor\ it will be running on a windows box, and my friend barly let me get putty on here, i need to get to run it here to fix it (my router is being funky, and i dont have it setup to log into it from here) and i would start konqueror from the server (which im logged into talking to ya through it from my friends windows box) |
| 06:12.24 | xbmodder | I am going to kill this frickin' piece of crap |
| 06:12.53 | \Igor\ | simy_: in that case let me correct you, konqueror will be running on this linux server, whil it will be *displaying* on the windows box |
| 06:13.28 | EvanCarroll | bwlang_: I would almost instinctivly suggest you try a newer or ever non-debian-stable version of the kernel just because a lockup is almost always a bug in the kernel or a module, and they get fixed at a pretty fast pace |
| 06:13.34 | simy_ | \Igor\ im sorry, im a little tired, but yeah, thats right... is that possible? or would i need to download more? |
| 06:13.36 | \Igor\ | simy_: like I said, cygwin + X + ssh |
| 06:13.57 | simy_ | \Igor\ ok... cool, ill do that on my laptop when i get home and fix my router:) thanks for your help.... |
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| 06:14.01 | \Igor\ | simy_: but that's a lot to download |
| 06:14.14 | simy_ | well as you can imagine my laptop is a dual boot... |
| 06:14.26 | simy_ | and its only got like 800 mb minus a win98 install |
| 06:14.37 | simy_ | and a bunch of other stuff i dont use, how much room is there? |
| 06:14.41 | \Igor\ | simy_: the only other thing I can think of is finding some Java X server applet on the web, that you'll be able to run from windows |
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| 06:15.10 | EvanCarroll | bwlang_: I mean the backup simulation could be tested, you could run the backup, and attach strace to the pid, log to a file, and see what the last call was |
| 06:15.36 | EvanCarroll | bwlang_: assuming it is a kernel problem you would see a call being made right before the crash |
| 06:15.38 | \Igor\ | simy_: cygwin is for windows, if you have linux on your laptop you just need X and ssh |
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| 06:16.01 | acke | Hi, can i remove the icons of hardrives from my desktop? |
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| 06:16.08 | simy_ | \Igor\ well i tried that for ssh, that was such a headache, lol ill just let it stay broken for now, its not a real big deal its just my router is sopposed to direct any webtraffic to my server instead of itself, and it dosnt, it just forwards it to my server, but its not doing that, its actually forwarding it somewhere else, i think to my xbox or somthing, so its not working, lol |
| 06:16.11 | acke | I tried with removing the device icons from desktop configuration panel |
| 06:16.17 | EvanCarroll | acke: no, if you do god will smite you |
| 06:16.19 | acke | It really messes up my desktop appearance.. very annoying. |
| 06:16.41 | acke | evan you are kiddin? |
| 06:16.46 | acke | there must be a way.. |
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| 06:17.02 | simy_ | \Igor\ we had a power outage, and with half my of network being wifi, and half wired, and not all turning on at the same time, the ips got mixed up.... |
| 06:17.07 | EvanCarroll | acke: good question, definitly not, god smites people every day; on a serious note there is a way to do that within kde, i just dont have it memorized |
| 06:18.34 | acke | i know i should be able to do it with the control panel. i have unmarked every items in the device items list. but i stil have 6 sticky drives to get rid of. |
| 06:18.50 | \Igor\ | simy_: if it didn't work in linux, check that the X11 forwarding is turned on for the server and client in /etc/ssh/*_config |
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| 06:19.17 | EvanCarroll | acke: you would have to ask in #KDE about the log option then, kde has a very extensive set, you could try greping in ~/.kde |
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| 06:20.44 | acke | evan, i will try that, thank you very much |
| 06:21.49 | solomonn | what's the code name for testing? |
| 06:22.22 | EvanCarroll | etch |
| 06:22.28 | solomonn | oh man, that sucks |
| 06:22.32 | EvanCarroll | why |
| 06:22.38 | crispynix-v6 | acke: configure desktop -> behavior -> device icons -> [ ] show device icons |
| 06:22.42 | solomonn | it just looks bad |
| 06:22.43 | solomonn | hehehe |
| 06:22.53 | EvanCarroll | running out of toy story characters here... |
| 06:22.55 | solomonn | they should have made sid unstable forever and sarge testing forever |
| 06:23.02 | EvanCarroll | having to lok for extras |
| 06:23.16 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: I'm sure that was considered, probably easier than auctually making a release |
| 06:23.22 | sporkbomb | ToyStory 2 has new characters, right? |
| 06:23.23 | sporkbomb | hehe |
| 06:23.45 | acke | crispy, ty man, but thats what i described earlier that did not work, sry, ;) |
| 06:23.48 | solomonn | they should make a toy story 3 straight to video just to make more names |
| 06:23.49 | Dewi | why is the latest "daily" etc install cdimage so old? |
| 06:23.54 | Dewi | (9 july) |
| 06:24.03 | Dewi | s/etc/etch/ |
| 06:24.44 | EvanCarroll | I hope the next series they pick in 402309420934*10^23 years is stargate, they owe that series omage |
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| 06:25.08 | EvanCarroll | homage even |
| 06:25.15 | sporkbomb | EvanCarroll: would star trek be too cliche? |
| 06:25.22 | Dewi | sporkbomb: yes. |
| 06:25.29 | EvanCarroll | yes, and startrek sucks in comparison |
| 06:25.30 | Dewi | so would stargate, at that |
| 06:25.38 | EvanCarroll | Stargate is god. |
| 06:25.47 | EvanCarroll | hallowed are the ori.++ |
| 06:26.01 | sporkbomb | Maybe they could name them Presidents of the US and have Bush as unstable? |
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| 06:26.02 | sporkbomb | hehehe |
| 06:26.17 | EvanCarroll | hahahah |
| 06:26.18 | EvanCarroll | nice |
| 06:26.29 | Dewi | I dunno, people complain about the cute names of debian and especially ubuntu |
| 06:26.39 | Dewi | saying that they'll cause people not to take linux seriously |
| 06:26.45 | EvanCarroll | wtf |
| 06:26.48 | EvanCarroll | windows is called longhorn |
| 06:26.49 | Dewi | but I think the cute names are awesome |
| 06:26.56 | EvanCarroll | s/called/codenamed |
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| 06:27.05 | Dewi | EvanCarroll: yeah but when it goes stable it's boring like "vista" |
| 06:27.13 | EvanCarroll | right and vista is much better |
| 06:27.23 | que_jugador | how to mirror a web site with wget, i try wget -m -np http://www.fing.edu.uy/~pgcalpro/index.htm , but doesn't work properly, httrack does the work |
| 06:27.27 | Dewi | well, it's all dark blue and business like, ain't it? like microsoft. |
| 06:27.33 | Dewi | boring. |
| 06:27.36 | que_jugador | but wget downloads only 2 files |
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| 06:27.39 | solomonn | i think once they run out of toy story characters they just have to abandon making a stable release altogether |
| 06:27.48 | SerajewelKS | i can't wait for debian-ickypoo to come out =) |
| 06:27.49 | EvanCarroll | it sounds like the kindgergarten cartoon that never was |
| 06:27.53 | que_jugador | index.htm and robot.txt |
| 06:28.03 | solomonn | and the new name for the unstable branch will be "linux breaks, deal with it" |
| 06:28.13 | EvanCarroll | But if Debian released a distro called, O'neil, you know how awesome that would be |
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| 06:28.20 | Dewi | so... etch was never unstable was it? |
| 06:28.23 | SerajewelKS | solomonn, and windows doesn't break? (or isn't broken...) |
| 06:28.31 | Dewi | EvanCarroll: imagine all the single quote related exploits |
| 06:28.33 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: sid has always been unstable, and always will be. |
| 06:28.46 | solomonn | SerajewelKS: i wouldn't know, i don't use it ;) |
| 06:28.51 | Dewi | I'm sure I remember sarge being unstable |
| 06:29.00 | pixelmonkey | what does it mean if export DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm works, but export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 xterm doesn't? |
| 06:29.03 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: Your right, we should call it, G'hauld then? |
| 06:29.05 | Dewi | when I first used debian woody was testing and sarge was unstable |
| 06:29.10 | Dewi | I think |
| 06:29.11 | SerajewelKS | Dewi, sarge maybe was unstable, but it was never /tagged/ unstable |
| 06:29.16 | solomonn | Dewi: the name stuff changed somewhat recently |
| 06:29.25 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: Sarge wasn't stable when woody was testing, ever. |
| 06:29.26 | SerajewelKS | afaik |
| 06:29.35 | solomonn | i can't remember if sarge was actally ever unstable or not |
| 06:29.41 | solomonn | but in any case sid will now forever be unstable |
| 06:29.43 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: Potato was stable when woody was testing if i remember right |
| 06:29.50 | Dewi | maybe it wasn't any my mind is blurred across 3 or so yearas. wouldn't be the first time. |
| 06:30.01 | Dewi | EvanCarroll: and what was unstable? I thought sarge... |
| 06:30.01 | SerajewelKS | potato? not mrpotato? |
| 06:30.28 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: just potato |
| 06:30.40 | SerajewelKS | pixelmonkey, probably means that your X server isn't listening on TCP |
| 06:31.05 | Dewi | so er... I want to install etch, but the "daily" minimal CDimage is 6 weeks old... |
| 06:31.15 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: sid, has always been unstable, period! Now etch is testing and sarge is stable, last year, sarge was testing and woody was stable, 3years ago the same thing, but like 3.5years ago lol, woody was testing, and potato was stable |
| 06:31.19 | EvanCarroll | and before that things blur |
| 06:31.24 | SerajewelKS | pixelmonkey, at least it's not listening on TCP for :0 |
| 06:31.51 | EvanCarroll | see the order |
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| 06:32.04 | SerajewelKS | i think we should change "stable" to "less unstable" |
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| 06:32.38 | pixelmonkey | SerajewelKS: ah, I see now that GDM has an option called DisallowTCP which is on, but what I'm wondering is, does the XServer need to listen on TCP in order to allow SSH tunnelling? |
| 06:32.39 | EvanCarroll | Sid->Etch->Sarge; Sid->Sarge->Woody; Sid->Woody->Potato; Sid->Potato->(think it was buz) |
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| 06:32.42 | Dewi | I think we should change stable to "museum" |
| 06:32.49 | EvanCarroll | buz fits somewhere in there, probably up some more |
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| 06:33.01 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: it is only 4months old. |
| 06:33.04 | pixelmonkey | SerajewelKS, I noticed recently that I can't connect to my server and run an SSH-tunnelled xterm, which is what I'm trying to do here. |
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| 06:33.16 | Dewi | EvanCarroll: I know. tempting to install... but it'll be museum soon |
| 06:33.34 | EvanCarroll | And they will release a new stable, soonish (i hope) |
| 06:33.37 | Dewi | if I want to call something stable I'll probably defect to ubuntu |
| 06:33.42 | SerajewelKS | pixelmonkey, if the client cannot connect to the X server over TCP, it will not work. how you fix that depends on your setup. |
| 06:33.51 | Dewi | but testing is cool for my needs atm |
| 06:33.58 | EvanCarroll | I would like to think that with the growing popularity of ubuntu, there won't ever be a 3yr gap again |
| 06:34.15 | Dewi | so does anyone know what happened to the testing/etch minimal install CDs? |
| 06:34.24 | Dewi | they look old, forgotten about |
| 06:34.34 | Dewi | (but claim to be daily) |
| 06:34.40 | sporkbomb | I was googling for the toystory characters and stumbled upon the most annoying website ever: http://lair2000.net/ToyStory1/Toy_Story1.html |
| 06:34.51 | EvanCarroll | Available, or use the sarge netinstall, and before you install, s/sarge/etch/; in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:34.56 | EvanCarroll | thats the method i use |
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| 06:36.09 | EvanCarroll | I'm hoping that the next version of ubuntu has a graphical installer as default, some where on the lines of mandrake 9.0 |
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| 06:36.31 | Dewi | EvanCarroll: aah, it only asks about 4 questions, it's over quickly |
| 06:37.00 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: true, but those 4 questions are subjected to massive criticism by the MS guys, the start up the first time with a negative outlook |
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| 06:37.09 | EvanCarroll | "Oh that looks like DOS, how unpolished" |
| 06:37.21 | Dewi | EvanCarroll: even winxp looks like dos for the first 4 or so questions |
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| 06:37.39 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: no it doesn't. |
| 06:37.44 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, yes it does |
| 06:38.10 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, it resembles the dpkg configure screen about 80% |
| 06:38.14 | SerajewelKS | text-mode blue background |
| 06:38.24 | Dewi | press enter to continue, waiting to install 100 drivers, nominating any HD extra driver floppies, accepting license agreement, HD partitioning, instrall location -- all text mode |
| 06:38.25 | EvanCarroll | Throw in a winXP CD it immediatly loads a graphical installer, with a little blackbar on the left telling you thte total install time |
| 06:38.31 | Dewi | EvanCarroll: no. |
| 06:38.34 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, no it doesn't, no the pro version |
| 06:38.41 | Dewi | oh... okay yes I mean pro |
| 06:38.43 | EvanCarroll | My version does. |
| 06:38.44 | Dewi | haven't ever installed home |
| 06:38.53 | EvanCarroll | I think i have pro =[ |
| 06:38.56 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, it boots into a blue text-mode screen, asking what partition to install to |
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| 06:39.13 | Dewi | you're in there for longer than the entire ubuntu install takes :P well almost. |
| 06:39.16 | SerajewelKS | then it installs the base system, and reboots into graphical mode |
| 06:39.30 | EvanCarroll | I haven't seen a blue screen in the windows installer since 2k |
| 06:39.32 | Dewi | home may be different |
| 06:39.33 | solomonn | just out of curiosity, is there a place with handy official sources.list lines to copy and paste? |
| 06:39.34 | Dewi | but home is painfully bad |
| 06:39.48 | SerajewelKS | !deb-src |
| 06:39.48 | dpkg | [deb-src] 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' and 'deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free' |
| 06:39.49 | Gokee2 | Hey all what happend with alsa_init? did alsaconfig replase it? I cant get sound to work anymore....... |
| 06:40.11 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, does the winxp you have have a GUI for choosing which partition to install to? |
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| 06:40.34 | solomonn | that'll do :) |
| 06:40.41 | wookie | hi, im after some advice on crontabs... specifaccly the syntax for running a cron job at 5 minutes past the hour every hour every day... |
| 06:41.02 | SerajewelKS | WoodsDog, * 5 * * * command-goes here |
| 06:41.13 | SerajewelKS | oops |
| 06:41.20 | SerajewelKS | s/WoodsDog/wookie/ |
| 06:41.26 | SerajewelKS | wookie, and see 'man 5 crontab' |
| 06:41.34 | wookie | SerajewelKS, ta |
| 06:41.39 | EvanCarroll | Even if it does, that isn't as much of the point, as the pure fact that both desktops, and small business servers come preinstalled with windows, and linux installation requires extra effort, all of the MSCEs i know are discouraged by the installer, and their first impression is negative, it woudlen't seem like it would be that difficult to change either, with boot cds having evolved in the way they did |
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| 06:42.12 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, people using a broken operating system are the last people that need to spend their time complaining about a robust text-mode installer |
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| 06:42.29 | wookie | SerajewelKS, is i possible to run a cron job every 5 minutes instead of waiting for the 5 past the hour? |
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| 06:42.47 | SerajewelKS | wookie, * */5 * * * command-goes here |
| 06:43.06 | wookie | the */5 runs it every 5 mins? |
| 06:43.08 | EvanCarroll | SerajewelKS: people using the os aren't likely to think of it as broken, nor or are they going to refrain complaining just because of an alternatives "potential" |
| 06:43.12 | SerajewelKS | wookie, yes |
| 06:43.16 | wookie | thanks agin |
| 06:43.29 | EvanCarroll | anyway these are observations, the MCSE sig meets the same time the linux sig does in the same building, i'm not here to troll |
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| 06:44.17 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend a genealogy app for the "average joe" that has a win32 (or java) port |
| 06:44.32 | EvanCarroll | that is the first complain I hear the second one is even more rediciolus, and that is essentailly that there is no live cd that boots into a video professor mode |
| 06:44.34 | Gokee2 | can anyone help me? |
| 06:44.48 | SerajewelKS | is there any software available in debian that is kinda like Microsoft Visio, specifically when it comes to data flow diagrams? |
| 06:45.03 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, lol... that's just flat-out wrong |
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| 06:45.15 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, windows doesn't even have a live GUI mode... rub that in their face =) |
| 06:45.20 | EvanCarroll | SerajewelKS: the debian visio software isn't near the same caliper as Visio |
| 06:45.30 | sporkbomb | SerajewelKS: argouml, poseidon for uml, dia (more of a drawing tool) |
| 06:45.37 | EvanCarroll | SerajewelKS: that don't know or care what the gui is |
| 06:45.54 | EvanCarroll | dia is a diapointing, never used poseidon |
| 06:46.11 | SerajewelKS | how come microsoft makes all the useful software... |
| 06:46.15 | sporkbomb | yeah...dia is more of just a drawing utility |
| 06:46.26 | SerajewelKS | i hope OOo 2 is good |
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| 06:46.48 | EvanCarroll | dia is a diagraphing tool that is almsot featureless when compaired to alternatives, and if i remmber right the people that make it, sell additional icon packs that deliver much needed functionality |
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| 06:47.12 | sporkbomb | In my opinion, argouml and poseidon are not too bad |
| 06:47.13 | EvanCarroll | you cant go Icon->outline, or outline->icon in dia |
| 06:47.33 | SerajewelKS | OOo-draw would do what i wanted, except that connectors can only be connected to four places. which is really, really dumb. |
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| 06:47.51 | Sprittee | Hello |
| 06:47.52 | x-Al1gma | hello Sprittee |
| 06:47.55 | EvanCarroll | SerajewelKS: I don't like OO 2 at all |
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| 06:48.08 | Sprittee | I was wondering whether there's a program that'll allow me to convert PDF to Jpeg? |
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| 06:48.35 | EvanCarroll | SerajewelKS: It is still in beta, but it is bugged out as all hell and crashes nonstop, I prefer abiword, the nice thing about OO 2 is really the file format |
| 06:48.47 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, well, it IS in beta... |
| 06:48.52 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, OOo 1 is pretty stable |
| 06:48.53 | EvanCarroll | Sprittee: there probably is |
| 06:48.55 | sporkbomb | EvanCarroll: do you mostly use debian for server stuff, or are you an avid debian workstation user as well? |
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| 06:49.01 | sadfgg | how can I make my own shortcut in "Run Application" (Alt+F2) in GNOME? |
| 06:49.19 | SerajewelKS | sadfgg, reconfigure the keybindings to have ALT+F2 point somewhere else |
| 06:49.20 | dscener | I've been searching all night. What's the cheapest solution to a wifi-enabled linux handheld? Something to check my e-mail with at McDonalds for example? |
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| 06:49.41 | sporkbomb | sadfgg: Applications > Desktop Prefs > Keyboard shortcuts |
| 06:50.06 | EvanCarroll | sporkbomb: I no longer use debian at all for workstation, unless it is already installed or someone brings in a box to the sig, I have moved to kubuntu, with alternate WM, all of my servers run Debian still but that is subject to change as Ubuntu impliments non shitty defaults, and dumb decisions |
| 06:50.33 | EvanCarroll | lacks dumb decisions* |
| 06:50.43 | sadfgg | SerajewelKS, ok, bad description by me. When I type mysqlcc in "Run Application" I want to open MySQL Control Center in /usr/local/mysqlcc-0.9.4-linux-glibc22/mysqlcc |
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| 06:51.05 | SerajewelKS | sadfgg, add /usr/local/mysqlcc-0.9.4-linux-glibc22 to your PATH |
| 06:51.20 | SerajewelKS | sadfgg, or link /usr/local/mysqlcc-0.9.4-linux-glibc22/mysqlcc to /usr/local/bin/ |
| 06:51.29 | sadfgg | SerajewelKS, ah |
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| 06:51.47 | SerajewelKS | sadfgg, i have done similar for java... linked all the java binaries to /usr/local/bin/ |
| 06:51.58 | SerajewelKS | it's hackish but works very well |
| 06:52.02 | sadfgg | SerajewelKS, thats a nice solution |
| 06:52.11 | sadfgg | SerajewelKS, thank you! |
| 06:52.14 | SerajewelKS | sadfgg, np |
| 06:52.29 | EvanCarroll | Sprittee: have you ever looked at printing the document to jpeg or something of that sort? |
| 06:52.45 | sporkbomb | SerajewelKS: if you are bored, you might consider setting a JAVA_HOME and adding it to your path |
| 06:52.54 | Dewi | is there an ubuntu equivalent of debian testing? |
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| 06:54.03 | Dewi | (something more up to date than stable but not dangerously "current") |
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| 06:54.44 | solomonn | Dewi: you only live once :) |
| 06:54.45 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: ubunti has two stages in their development |
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| 06:54.50 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: not three |
| 06:55.31 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: They have production ready /stable, which is the only one supported or advocated, and then testing/unstable which is CYA watch out nothing is guarentted and an upgrade to it will require knowledge |
| 06:55.53 | Dewi | I've been running debian testing largely without knowledge for years now :D |
| 06:55.58 | Dewi | I think it's a great idea |
| 06:56.11 | Dewi | but nobody else but debian has anything similar that I'm aware of |
| 06:56.13 | EvanCarroll | 6months ago ubuntu stable was warty, now hoary has taken its place, and in october the current unstable (breezy) will move to stable |
| 06:56.34 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: testing is debian is incubation, it isnt really devel |
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| 06:57.09 | sporkbomb | EvanCarroll: does the shorter lifecycles of Ubuntu affect your decisions at all on the server side of things? |
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| 06:57.11 | spykes | Dewi, gentoo has it |
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| 06:57.17 | sporkbomb | s/does/do |
| 06:57.28 | Dewi | spykes: oh? nice. |
| 06:57.31 | spykes | :d |
| 06:57.49 | EvanCarroll | the stuff in testing gets frozen at an arbitrary point, when debian commandos see fit, then they wait an arbitrary ammount of time, and perform tests with limited success and call it stable |
| 06:58.04 | solomonn | so why does ubuntu exist? |
| 06:58.17 | liable | to make money? |
| 06:58.18 | togs | a little bitter EvanCarroll :) |
| 06:58.19 | EvanCarroll | however googleing for an upgrade from warty ->sarge will result in finding the process wasn't as seemless as it should have been |
| 06:58.31 | SerajewelKS | sporkbomb, linking them doesn't require a per-user config |
| 06:58.32 | Dewi | solomonn: ubuntu is where you take debian, and try to make it usable by non-geek humans |
| 06:58.44 | EvanCarroll | togs: Not really bitter, i still love debian. |
| 06:59.05 | Dewi | solomonn: debian could never have gone that way so quickly because of too much geek squabbling :P |
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| 06:59.09 | Dewi | solomonn: also ubuntu has money behind it |
| 06:59.18 | sporkbomb | SerajewelKS: I see what you mean...I was thinking more along the lines of making it global via /etc/profile |
| 06:59.28 | sporkbomb | SerajewelKS: but whatever works, right? :-) |
| 06:59.46 | solomonn | idunno, somebody should just put money behind speeding up the geek process |
| 06:59.53 | solomonn | not the squabbling part i mean, the coding part |
| 06:59.54 | solomonn | hehe |
| 07:00.04 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: ubuntu has money behind it, specifically one small company, Canonical, plus one african billionare |
| 07:00.12 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: but Ubuntu doesn't exist to make money |
| 07:00.24 | Dewi | EvanCarroll: it will try to keep itself afloat however |
| 07:00.32 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: it won't have to try. |
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| 07:00.46 | solomonn | if it doesn't want to make money, it should try to do something like Sun and Gnome |
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| 07:01.06 | Dewi | I remember MS saying something like "it'll be commercial if we can do it, if not it'll be philanthropic" |
| 07:01.11 | solomonn | just help debian make itself cooler and then leverage that coolness |
| 07:01.12 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: It is no more grounded in contributions than Debian, and the Ubuntu volunteer development crew is just as vast as that of Debian |
| 07:01.41 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: so basically I would say that arguement doesn't hold. |
| 07:01.41 | Dewi | solomonn: well, from what I understand ubuntu and debian are still close enough together to mutually benefit |
| 07:02.08 | solomonn | Dewi: well that's at least nice |
| 07:02.22 | Dewi | debian tries to be everything to everyone, ubuntu has more focus |
| 07:02.30 | solomonn | seems like debian is on its way to being the things that ubuntu wants to be anyway though |
| 07:02.32 | pixelmonkey | I am suspicious that my server might have gotten hacked. Why? Well, my log files show attempts to log in from a variety of unknown users on August 10. I have not run any apt-get upgrades for about three weeks. The only file in /usr/sbin dated August 10 is sshd, and what's more, sshd's X11 forwarding seems not to be working. Is it possible someone installed a hacked sshd in my server? |
| 07:02.39 | Dewi | I'll happily use both for different machines |
| 07:02.47 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: All ubuntu evolutions, are given back to debian, which they reject for the reason of oversimplication, there is a difference in ideologies, debian usually maintains package defaults if they exist, and if they don't they usually don't establish defaults or bother with best effort guesses, ubuntu does. |
| 07:03.00 | Dewi | EvanCarroll: yep |
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| 07:03.25 | pixelmonkey | i ran chkrootkit but it says sshd isn't "infected," though I'm sure this could be a clever hack |
| 07:03.41 | Dewi | I see ubuntu as the most effective free desktop system... but debian is still good for playing with or running servers |
| 07:03.43 | solomonn | the other week i installed sarge for a friend and it felt like i just put the CD in and hit OK till X popped up |
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| 07:04.00 | Dewi | solomonn: well, here's an example |
| 07:04.04 | Dewi | solomonn: I run debian but I don't have X |
| 07:04.04 | EvanCarroll | pixelmonkey: your opinions aren't grounded collect thought and give us something to critique |
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| 07:04.16 | Dewi | solomonn: I didn't see any way to even avoid X with ubuntu |
| 07:04.17 | airco | good morning. i am getting some trouble on an apt-get upgrade and i'm rather new to this, is there anyone around who could have a quick look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/PqTQeZ25.html ? |
| 07:04.39 | liable | pixelmonkey: so the time stamp on sshd is august 10? |
| 07:04.56 | pixelmonkey | liable, yes |
| 07:04.58 | Dewi | solomonn: so straight away you see that ideological difference in action... debian will try to give me as many choices as possible, while ubuntu is focussing in on the desktop |
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| 07:05.31 | pixelmonkey | liable, it's the most recently stamped file in /usr/sbin, with all other files being stamped from July at earliest |
| 07:05.34 | ohad | does anyone here know do you know how to generate/created the following dir of 'sent-mail', 'drafts', and 'spam' for each virtual user that i create on postfix? #courier is a sleep now |
| 07:05.35 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: all my servers are Debian, they aren't without problem, neither are all my ubuntu boxes without problem, but my ubuntu boxes are easier for me to maintain, and set-up, and when installed without the ubuntu metapackages, can be just as much of a limited distro as debian |
| 07:05.37 | Dewi | solomonn: but I do agree that debian will eventually be easy to use for the desktop as well... just not as quickly and smoothly |
| 07:05.38 | pixelmonkey | err, at latest |
| 07:05.39 | solomonn | Dewi: it seems lke it wouldn't be that hard, given the coolness of things like debconf, for debian to just ask me near the beginning "did you want me to focus on the desktop?" and if i say yes, then do what ubuntu does |
| 07:05.40 | flexo | pixelmonkey: compare the checksums of your sshd? |
| 07:06.07 | liable | pixelmonkey: I would probably be worried if I were you. Try rkhunter too. I dont really know that much about it, but yeah, I would be thinking compromised.. :( |
| 07:06.08 | Dewi | solomonn: debian install sort of does that IIRC |
| 07:06.16 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: debian will never been easy to use on the desktop for those ideological differences I mentioned |
| 07:06.17 | Dewi | solomonn: there's that "task list" during install |
| 07:06.50 | solomonn | Dewi: yeah, pretty much. therefore i don't see much of a difference :) |
| 07:06.59 | cn | 2.6.8 is the only kernel of 2.6 in deb^ |
| 07:07.00 | cn | ? |
| 07:07.04 | pixelmonkey | flexo, sorry to sound silly, but how would I do that? |
| 07:07.29 | EvanCarroll | Debian will always argue, we give you the kde that we compiled from kde.org, Kubuntu will argue we give you the xorg with modifcations that make it easier better looking and make sense |
| 07:07.48 | solomonn | anyway i guess if ubuntu's existance is helpful to debian and makes the less smart linux users happy, i'm all for it, i just won't bother using it :) |
| 07:07.49 | EvanCarroll | err s/xorg/kde/ |
| 07:08.09 | Dewi | solomonn: well, having used them both, I'd say the proof is in the pudding - ubuntu felt really slick and easy to use, debian didn't feel as polished. But that's okay, because that's not what I'm looking for when I install a debian system |
| 07:08.22 | Dewi | solomonn: with debian I'm looking for total control, maximum versatility |
| 07:08.41 | ohad | anyone? |
| 07:08.45 | solomonn | Dewi: yeah, for me total control means i polish it the way i want it polished :-) |
| 07:08.57 | Dewi | solomonn: less smart? |
| 07:09.07 | Dewi | solomonn: perhaps you might want to call it "not having all day to polish a machine" |
| 07:09.15 | EvanCarroll | The control isn't lost with ubuntu, it just altered to make more sense, and as far as versatility, that is neither here nore there |
| 07:09.16 | solomonn | Dewi: not to impute that only less smart people use ubuntu |
| 07:09.24 | flexo | pixelmonkey: i dunno if debian has some tools to automagically verify it (and you probably shouldn't trust them anymore) |
| 07:09.27 | solomonn | Dewi: i just mean, it sounds ilke it's best for people that aren't smart enough to "handle" debian :) |
| 07:09.36 | airco | good morning. (sorry if repeating is against etiquette) i am getting some trouble on an apt-get upgrade and i'm rather new to this, is there anyone around who could have a quick look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/PqTQeZ25.html ? |
| 07:09.54 | solomonn | Dewi: other people much smarter than me might also have use for it, i'm just thinking of the target audience :) |
| 07:10.03 | Dewi | solomonn: that's certainly an audience it captures... but I guess, I come from a background where I used windows for GUI and console linux for serious stuff |
| 07:10.17 | Dewi | solomonn: I never felt like it was worth the time and effort of getting debian to act like a slick GUI |
| 07:10.20 | mwilson | airco: Yes, the messages are quite clear. |
| 07:10.25 | Dewi | solomonn: but with ubuntu I was there in minutes |
| 07:10.31 | flexo | i'd upload a statically linked md5sum and generate the checksum.. |
| 07:10.36 | solomonn | Dewi: btw, gimme a screenshot :) |
| 07:10.37 | mwilson | airco: Reading them is probably indicated. |
| 07:10.42 | Dewi | solomonn: so it was the first time Windows seemed threatened :P |
| 07:10.56 | EvanCarroll | airco: dpkg-reconfigure locales, try to find C and it |
| 07:11.01 | Dewi | solomonn: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/document_view |
| 07:11.03 | airco | mwilson: i read the message, i read it again, i know there's a problem i have no idea how to solve it |
| 07:11.09 | airco | EvanCarroll: okay, thanx |
| 07:11.23 | EvanCarroll | or whate ver it is asking for |
| 07:11.30 | mwilson | Ubuntu doesn't have a "slick GUI"... Ubuntu has a GUI apparently designed by the same idiots who used to do design for KDE. |
| 07:11.38 | mwilson | It's incredibly ugly. |
| 07:11.38 | solomonn | Dewi: nah, i mean of your system |
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| 07:11.39 | EvanCarroll | en_GB; en_US; en |
| 07:11.57 | mwilson | airco: What part of it do you not understand? |
| 07:12.04 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: I like the ubuntu KDE theme ALOT |
| 07:12.05 | Dewi | solomonn: it's not running atm... I only use it on my laptop |
| 07:12.11 | EvanCarroll | so much better looking than debian KDE theme |
| 07:12.15 | Dewi | solomonn: desktop is still in windows world for the moment |
| 07:12.31 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: Uh, Ubuntu would first have to *have* a KDE theme. |
| 07:12.39 | airco | mwilson: the "what do i do about it" part that's basically not there |
| 07:12.53 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: Since it (a) doesn't, and (b) I never said it did, I'm not sure what you're getting at. |
| 07:13.06 | mwilson | airco: What part of the error message do you not understand? |
| 07:13.07 | solomonn | Dewi: ah that's no fun |
| 07:13.16 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: apt-get install kde, on ubuntu, you get the kde-desktop meta package, which has KDE and a nicer theme than Debian |
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| 07:13.26 | solomonn | Dewi: those screen shots really don't look any different to me than what showed up when i installed sarge for my friend |
| 07:13.37 | airco | EvanCarroll: running dpkg reconfigure locales gives me the same errors as the apt-get install; do you know where i might be able to set the locale manually? |
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| 07:13.42 | solomonn | Dewi: except a different background and the gtk theme appears to have highlight colors that match it |
| 07:14.08 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: Thank you, but I'd remove X completely from my box and use a serial terminal before I'd force myself to use the disaster that is KDE. |
| 07:14.31 | solomonn | Dewi: then i havne't actually used the thing so i can't speak very well to it |
| 07:14.41 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: Now that we've gotten that out of the way, how is what I said related to using KDE, in any way? |
| 07:15.14 | Danny_Lion | can you help? my gt68xx scanner fails init with invalid argument |
| 07:15.18 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: thats fine, but your wrong on your (a) and on your (b) doens't make any fuck sense, because you apply it to ubuntu's kde, when in fact your quarrel is with all kde. |
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| 07:15.37 | Danny_Lion | and then there are msgs about control timeouts in syslog |
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| 07:15.48 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: Perhaps you need to learn how to read, as I made no statement whatsoever about Ubuntu's KDE. |
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| 07:15.56 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: what ever it is related to, Gnome or KDE, the 'slick gui' that you criticize in ubuntu, isn't present in Debian in a better form |
| 07:15.58 | Dewi | solomonn: it's been quite a while since I used debian desktop as well |
| 07:16.00 | EvanCarroll | so wtf are you atrying to argue. |
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| 07:16.44 | airco | mwilson: well basically here is how i understand the message: apt-get can't install any new locales because there are no locales installed. and that just doesn't make sense to me. anything wrong in that interpretation? |
| 07:16.56 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: You made a statement about ubuntus 'slick gui' and if you werent such a teenage twat and paid attention you would have noticed that the gui we are refferring to currently is ubuntu's kde (or the kubuntu default) |
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| 07:17.07 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: I did make a statement about Ubuntu's default look being apparently designed by the same idiots that used to do theme design for KDE, but certainly would not have ever suggested to anyone that htey punish themselves by actually RUNNING KDE. |
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| 07:17.28 | netdaemon862 | is it true that they are going to shorten the release cycle for debian? |
| 07:17.43 | solomonn | my goodness, are mwilson and EvanCarroll arguing over which distribution has the better looking themes installed by default? |
| 07:17.55 | solomonn | can users really not run a simple theme selector? |
| 07:18.00 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: i'm ignoring your know, I implicitly assume an IQ, and explicitly squelch those that lack it |
| 07:18.06 | EvanCarroll | you now* |
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| 07:18.22 | mwilson | solomonn: No, not at all. I was taking exception to the idea that Ubuntu's look was anything but sh*t by default. |
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| 07:18.44 | mitten | woody -> sarge docs? |
| 07:18.48 | mwilson | solomonn: By all means, select a different theme. Something not designed by a 10-year-old. |
| 07:19.11 | liable | !tell mwilson about woody->sarge |
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| 07:19.15 | Dewi | mwilson: so why is it such an emotional thing for you then? |
| 07:19.16 | liable | doh |
| 07:19.20 | liable | mwilson: sorry |
| 07:19.21 | Dewi | mwilson: you seem... hurt by it |
| 07:19.25 | mwilson | liable: Uh, I care about that because...? |
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| 07:19.33 | liable | !tell mitten about woody->sarge |
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| 07:19.46 | Dewi | tab complete claims another victim |
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| 07:20.26 | EvanCarroll | netdaemon862: no it isn't true it is speculated, the offical debian statement has always been 'it will be released when it is released', that arbitrary releases lack in quality, however, debian has offically opened a fourum of discussion on dropping support for obsecure arch. which would mean more packages in stable, and shorter releases. |
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| 07:20.53 | solomonn | Dewi: mwilson designed the theme that came before the one he's complaining about :) |
| 07:21.03 | airco | LOL |
| 07:21.05 | mwilson | Actually, it wouldn't have anything to do with the number of packages in stable, although it would arguably shorten release cycles. |
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| 07:21.45 | solomonn | how many packages are in unstable now |
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| 07:21.48 | solomonn | main |
| 07:21.51 | EvanCarroll | Damn i thought i ignored you, before i ignore you now, yes it would, debian stable requires all packages be tested on all supported archs |
| 07:22.02 | airco | mwilson: i am about to leave this channel, probably never to return again, but before i go allow me to help you a bit more then you helped me: |
| 07:22.04 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: oh come now |
| 07:22.04 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: Yes, it does. So? |
| 07:22.19 | sketchy | on the package search, it says that php4 "unstable" is 4.4.0, but on the PHP site, that is the current release version. can someone please explain that to me? is the apt-get "unstable" an old version of php4? or whats the deal? |
| 07:22.20 | airco | you're an annoying self-righteous little egomaniac, you need to work on your social skills |
| 07:22.21 | airco | have a nice day |
| 07:22.23 | mitten | liable: I solved my isp issue... now I am logged in using debian... |
| 07:22.27 | solomonn | children, i will turn this car right around and drive you both home |
| 07:22.31 | Dewi | airco: sorry nobody seemed to know your issue |
| 07:22.33 | mwilson | airco: Oh? I tried to get you to actually read. You didn't want to. That's not my problem. |
| 07:22.44 | Dewi | airco: and I'm sorry the person who did answer you was such a moron |
| 07:23.06 | Dewi | (there's really no point answering somebody to give them no information whatsoever...) |
| 07:23.06 | mwilson | airco: I tried twice to point out your actual problem. You didn't want to listen to it, even after someone else gave you the same solution. That is also not my problem. |
| 07:23.10 | airco | Dewi: no problem, not blaming anyone but him :-) |
| 07:23.21 | liable | mitten: ?? |
| 07:23.21 | Dewi | mwilson: well, I didn't understand it either |
| 07:23.49 | EvanCarroll | Dewi: yes there is, to vent and serve as a communal pain in the ass, oh wait, is he still here =/ |
| 07:23.53 | mitten | liable: now I need to change woody to sarge in my source.list...I dont see any word as woody in it.... |
| 07:24.01 | mwilson | Dewi: It is also completely my fault, somehow, that he is unable to read. |
| 07:24.02 | solomonn | let's all take a deep irc breath |
| 07:24.06 | pixelmonkey | Well, I've confirmed 100% that my server's been compromised |
| 07:24.08 | solomonn | and slowly exhale |
| 07:24.24 | Dewi | mwilson: the only thing I read on that paste is a load of crap about dpkg breaking itself on locales |
| 07:24.27 | pixelmonkey | the sshd copy installed on my server has not only an md5sum that doesn't match the debian sarge version, but it's 100KB larger |
| 07:24.32 | mwilson | Dewi: The fact that it tells him plainly that udev cannot install, and why, must only be in the text *I* read, and not in the text he pasted. |
| 07:24.38 | EvanCarroll | pixelmonkey: you found a way to quantify the compromised part of your server? |
| 07:24.49 | Dewi | mwilson: since I wasn't born with the knowledge of exactly how dpkg shits itself on localtes, I have no idea how to fix it either, and it has nothing to do with my ability to read |
| 07:25.05 | pixelmonkey | furthermore, it tried to hide itself from normal users by obfuscating how it reported itself using weird characters, I guess so it wouldn't be easy to do killall sshd or some such |
| 07:25.22 | solomonn | pixelmonkey: sounds uncool |
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| 07:25.36 | mwilson | Dewi: As for the locales error, all I see is that he's selected a locale, hasn't bothered to provide support for that locale, and is then surprised when the system tries to tell him that there is no support for that locale. |
| 07:25.43 | solomonn | pixelmonkey: i wonder how it happened |
| 07:25.46 | pixelmonkey | EvanCarroll, how do you expect one to QUANTIFY something that is inherently qualifiably described. 0.1% of my server got compromised, namely the 300KB that are residing in sshd |
| 07:25.50 | airco | mwilson: i can read what goes wrong. i just don't know what to DO about it, and you haven't tried to tell me that. all you've told me is that i should learn to read. |
| 07:26.00 | solomonn | pixelmonkey: lol |
| 07:26.02 | EvanCarroll | pixelmonkey: hahahahahah v. nice |
| 07:26.13 | mitten | after installing aptitiute dpkg says to replace woody by sarge in sources.list....but my sources file mentions only stable....no woody.....what to do? |
| 07:26.18 | liable | mitten: what does it say? |
| 07:26.28 | pixelmonkey | solomonn, that's what I'm wondering too |
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| 07:26.35 | mitten | liable: who says what? |
| 07:26.36 | airco | mwilson: it's the DEFAULT locale, how on earth can it not be present on the system? |
| 07:26.37 | EvanCarroll | pixelmonkey: good point, i didn't exepect anyone to quantify the ammount that was comprimised but you exceeded expectations by stating 100%, i was very impressed! |
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| 07:27.01 | liable | mitten: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 07:27.19 | wobbler | airco: looks pretty simple to me it tells you your locale isnt configured properly and there is no default |
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| 07:27.20 | EvanCarroll | If libc6 wasn't installed you would get anything back from dpkg -l |
| 07:27.20 | pixelmonkey | solomonn, I'd like to get a copy of this sshd to the developers or the security team so they can take a look at it, and at least have an md5sum on hand so they can check other similar reports |
| 07:27.21 | mwilson | airco: I credit you with a certain amount of intelligence. Should I not? The system says "you want to use that locale? There's no support for it". What would reason tell you should be done? The system also tells you that it cannot install udev, because a kernel of a certain version or greater is required. What, then, should be done? |
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| 07:27.24 | airco | mwilson: it was there before the apt-get upgrade, if it's not thtere after the upgrade something must have removed it, and i have no clue why and no clue how to reinstall it |
| 07:27.38 | pixelmonkey | solomonn, my log files are also interesting, the user tried to log in via a bunch of "guessed" usernames, like "tim" "joe" "john" etc. |
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| 07:27.54 | mitten | liable: I just installed aptitiude...now next step is to fix sources.list...so I am trying to verify if I need to do any thing since I dont see any woody reference in it |
| 07:28.02 | airco | wobbler: okay then, how do i configure the locale properly? |
| 07:28.04 | tarzeau | does someone have the code to reset an x86 via the keyboard controller, with direct i/o? |
| 07:28.15 | tarzeau | there's moments you want to reset a remote machine, and reboot wouldn't work... |
| 07:28.22 | pixelmonkey | EvanCarroll, the joke is lost on me, if it was intended. |
| 07:28.24 | tarzeau | damn, linux is so lame |
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| 07:28.42 | drac | call linux, and complain |
| 07:28.45 | drac | linus :P |
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| 07:28.51 | liable | mitten: if it says stable, I think you may well be running sarge already, if you have been upgrading :) thats why I want you to run that dpkg command.. |
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| 07:28.57 | tarzeau | drac: only happens together with NFS here, but often |
| 07:29.03 | EvanCarroll | i'm going to bed i have to work all day tomorrow on a research paper, good night all |
| 07:29.06 | solomonn | pixelmonkey: i don't imagine the security team would have use for it any more than they would have use for a file full o 0's if that was what somebody replaced your sshd binary with -- but i am not the one to ask about that either |
| 07:29.21 | airco | mwilson: reason would tell me to run apt-get install locales, which doesn't work. reason would also tell me to go look at the system localisation preferences, which can't be set because there are no locales present. after that, reason would tell me to ask in #debian, where people wiser then myself might kindly tell me what to do. |
| 07:29.45 | mwilson | !doesn't work |
| 07:29.45 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:29.51 | pixelmonkey | solomonn, not for actually looking at the binary, but for having one on file that says, "This is what this particular hacked sshd looks like" |
| 07:29.56 | EvanCarroll | airco: the system localizations prefrences and the installation of lcoales, are all managed with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 07:30.30 | EvanCarroll | airco: you can man locale for more info on locales |
| 07:30.42 | airco | EvanCarroll: yes, i ran that before, it gives the same error as the apt-get -f install |
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| 07:30.48 | mwilson | Well, the second part of that statement is accurate, anyway. |
| 07:30.52 | airco | k, i'll man it |
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| 07:31.00 | pixelmonkey | can someone here think of a quick and dirty way I could search my entire FS for all files dated 08-10-2005? I was thinking ls -lR, but that won |
| 07:31.10 | mitten | liable: see #flood |
| 07:31.11 | mwilson | pixelmonkey: man find |
| 07:31.11 | pixelmonkey | err, sorry, mistyped enter. That won't show the full path to the file when I get a hit |
| 07:31.17 | wobbler | airco: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:31.18 | tarzeau | pixelmonkey: try find |
| 07:31.25 | tarzeau | pixelmonkey: but which of the 3 dates? |
| 07:31.31 | EvanCarroll | airco: you might want to try restarting, it might fix things or break them furthre |
| 07:31.45 | mitten | I am leaving... |
| 07:31.49 | Phantazm | k this is embarrasing. i got 5 gentoo and a couple of slackware boxes running. last week i installed 3 debian sarge. onnon of them the user crontab is working :/ could i have missed something? |
| 07:31.59 | pixelmonkey | tarzeau, ctime seems to suit me here |
| 07:32.49 | EvanCarroll | airco: locales are in /usr/share/i18n/locales/ if you can find what dpkg is bitching out in that folder, than you have support for the local |
| 07:33.03 | mwilson | If I really thought it'd work, I'd file a bug to have that idiotic "apt-get -f install" text removed. |
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| 07:33.30 | EvanCarroll | airco: auctually use /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED that is what docs suggest |
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| 07:36.01 | airco | EvanCarroll: the warning says it's looking for en_GB, en_US and en... en_gb and en_us are in that folder, but en isn't |
| 07:36.26 | airco | any easy way to remove it from that list? export language = en_gb ? |
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| 07:37.28 | EvanCarroll | no after locales have been set your probably going to have to reboot for changes to take effect |
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| 07:38.28 | mwilson | <snicker> |
| 07:38.31 | solomonn | see now that EvanCarroll ignored mwilson, mwilson says stuff with the knowledge that EvanCarroll is ignoring him and it comes off sounding petty |
| 07:38.39 | solomonn | i hate it when people ignore people |
| 07:38.53 | Dewi | mwilson: so... you'd consider filing a bug to remove some text from dpkg's output (but you can't be bothered)... and yet you scold people for "not reading it properly" even though you disagree with its recommendation? |
| 07:38.55 | mwilson | Nah, he's entertaining now. |
| 07:39.05 | EvanCarroll | airco: that would change the default locale, but i won't have much effect an anything currently running |
| 07:39.26 | solomonn | Dewi: that's a stretch. just be direct and tell him to quit being a dick :) |
| 07:39.51 | solomonn | irc tension.. somebody should study it |
| 07:39.52 | Dewi | solomonn: somebody really needs to do that :P |
| 07:40.28 | EvanCarroll | tension is for wimps real men indiscriminatly ignore. =D |
| 07:40.39 | mwilson | Dewi: I disargee with its recommendation because peopld can't be bothered to learn what the tool and that combination of options actually does, and are either disappointed when it does nothing, or surprised when it does more than they intend. |
| 07:41.01 | EvanCarroll | than i neither have to be encoubered with imbecelity and the other person comes off sounding 'petty' by making a one way arguement |
| 07:41.42 | solomonn | why can't we all just get along |
| 07:41.42 | solomonn | hehe |
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| 07:41.55 | noisecontrol | Man what a relief |
| 07:42.07 | noisecontrol | This is the first connect to IRC in debian |
| 07:42.24 | noisecontrol | Under the ksirc |
| 07:42.32 | noisecontrol | Hello |
| 07:42.32 | x-Al1gma | hello noisecontrol |
| 07:42.38 | mwilson | Dewi: Further, the recommendation to use "-f install" is irrelevant to the two problems his original post showed. |
| 07:42.39 | noisecontrol | Helo al1gma |
| 07:42.41 | solomonn | noisecontrol: welcome to the snake pit |
| 07:42.46 | hcy | is there a way to run an application initially minimized? |
| 07:43.09 | noisecontrol | I have only one further question |
| 07:43.13 | solomonn | hcy: you could probably do it with sawfish and matched windows |
| 07:43.19 | noisecontrol | How to change the video mode from vga to svga |
| 07:43.32 | airco | mwilson: you DO realise that i actually did not configure anything to do anything it shouldn't do, i just ran apt-get upgrade and my system started giving errors, so all your notices scolding me for wanting my system to do something i didn't configure it for are totally relevant, don't you? |
| 07:43.41 | tjrobb | any guidance for getting x up and running on an amd64 processor and an nvidia 256 meg card.. |
| 07:43.42 | solomonn | noisecontrol: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:43.44 | liable | wtf, google has just fucking denied me a search request, saying my computer is infected with a virus or spyware, and is sending automated requests.. |
| 07:44.08 | noisecontrol | thanks solomonn |
| 07:44.23 | togs | i get them from time to time, I think they go by subnet |
| 07:44.47 | Kelv | liable, are you serious :) |
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| 07:44.53 | liable | no shit.. |
| 07:45.02 | amorphix | good morning guys |
| 07:45.07 | solomonn | tjrobb: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 07:45.09 | EvanCarroll | tjrobb: are you using debian 64 or 32? |
| 07:45.13 | tjrobb | thanks! |
| 07:45.18 | airco | EvanCarroll: i'm just going to reboot it into my 2.6.10 kernel (i am on 2.6.8 now), i'm guessing that will get through the install, i'll try to boot back into 2.6.8 later |
| 07:45.23 | airco | thx for the help |
| 07:45.26 | solomonn | tjrobb: you probably want to start with the unofficial sarge netinst image |
| 07:45.29 | EvanCarroll | airco: you probably wont boot |
| 07:45.32 | solomonn | tjrobb: from there you can upgrade |
| 07:45.52 | solomonn | tjrobb: now, i don't know about nvidia... i think there is info on it in the FAQ that it links to |
| 07:45.55 | EvanCarroll | airco: without udev your going to have alot of problems |
| 07:45.55 | airco | EvanCarroll: err... are you serious? cuz that would be kind of a problem :-) |
| 07:45.59 | hcy | solomonn: nothing simple, though, like adding a '&' at the end for background? |
| 07:46.01 | mwilson | airco: You're telling the box to use a locale that is not installed. It didn't do that on its own. Take that however you like. |
| 07:46.22 | solomonn | tjrobb: in fact, the howto / FAQ that page links to is probalby more useful than the page itself |
| 07:46.28 | airco | mwilson: i never set the locale, i never even remotely touched it with a pole. take that however you like. |
| 07:46.46 | solomonn | hcy: huh? |
| 07:46.52 | noisecontrol | is dpkg a file? |
| 07:47.03 | tarzeau | how can i remove a package manually from the system? like all files from dpkg -L pkg and then? that it's gone from dpkg -l ? |
| 07:47.36 | EvanCarroll | airco: yes unfortunatly, man udev to understand the complexity of your issue, if dpkg --get-selection udev, shows uninstalled status, and it is correctly you will fail at boot, you will need to boot with a live cd, chroot into / and perform more surgery |
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| 07:47.49 | hcy | solomonn: well, i mean, you can run an app in a terminal as "something &" and it runs in the background, right? so it would be cool if there were another symbol, like "something %" that ran it minimized |
| 07:47.50 | solomonn | hcy: oh, i forgot about your question and my answer it :) yeah i don't know of anything that simple though i suppose there could be something, if not simple, at least that could be done from the command line and/or made to be simple |
| 07:48.01 | liable | tarzeau: /var/lib/dpkg/status. |
| 07:48.07 | hanasaki | what is special about the 10. and 192.168 ip address? |
| 07:48.17 | tarzeau | i can't remove this crap: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=183917;archive=yes |
| 07:48.26 | solomonn | hcy: but no, there's no handy deal just under your nose that i'm aware of. sawfish and its matched windows are very powerful, however |
| 07:48.47 | amorphix | how easy is it to fry a pcmcia card? |
| 07:48.54 | EvanCarroll | tjrobb: dpkg --get-selection STRING | sed -e's/[[:whitespace:]].*//' | xargs apt-get --yes --purge remove |
| 07:49.07 | solomonn | hcy: you can have it give certain windows a different theme, remove the titlebar, set their position and size, all kinds of crazy stuff |
| 07:49.09 | hcy | solomonn: what's sawfish? |
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| 07:49.13 | EvanCarroll | auctually posix is [[:space:]] |
| 07:49.14 | EvanCarroll | sry |
| 07:49.14 | solomonn | hcy: it's a window manager |
| 07:49.32 | tarzeau | liable: i've just removed it from there, but dpkg -l |grep -v ^ii still shows it as: pi twiki 20011201-2 A Web Based Collaboration Platform |
| 07:49.33 | hcy | solomonn: hmmm, better than gnome? |
| 07:50.02 | vladster | There was a detailed howto for setting up a jetdirect printserver up in debian, does anyone know the URl? |
| 07:50.05 | EvanCarroll | tarzeau: remember to do COLUMNS=200 or names will get chopped off |
| 07:50.18 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: that's not my problem |
| 07:50.19 | Kelv | hanasaki, it's designated for private networks |
| 07:50.22 | solomonn | hcy: gnome isn't a window manager, it's a desktop environment. gnome uses the metacity window manager by default, but you can remove metacity and install sawfish if you want. there's probably a way to just select sawfish without removing metacity but i have never bothered :) |
| 07:50.42 | hanasaki | kelv you have a link to some explaninations? i have been searching but found nothing |
| 07:50.59 | hcy | solomonn: :) see how dumb i am... so sawfish is better than metacity, then? |
| 07:51.13 | amorphix | Microsoft has a room with 40 systems each running a different Linux dist |
| 07:51.15 | noisecontrol | what about rdev |
| 07:51.16 | solomonn | hcy: right now i am running metacity because i'm too lazy to look for the sawfish equivilant to the pretty metacity theme i selected, else i would check for you to see if you could really use matched windows for what you want. but i would bet you can |
| 07:51.21 | tarzeau | i can't re-open bugs that were archived? |
| 07:51.29 | liable | tarzeau: hmm, try removing it from staus-old too. |
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| 07:51.37 | liable | tarzeau: that bugs 2003! |
| 07:51.49 | solomonn | hcy: sawfish is not always as pretty as metacity by default, but it is much more functional, and can be made to look pretty |
| 07:51.50 | Kelv | hanasaki, it's a ip address range not directly accessable from the internet |
| 07:51.56 | noisecontrol | how would you use rdev to change the CURRENT video setting while logged in ? |
| 07:52.03 | tarzeau | liable: just did, it still appears in dpkg -l output |
| 07:52.07 | hanasaki | so 192.3..... is private? |
| 07:52.10 | tarzeau | liable: so what? it still exists |
| 07:52.14 | hcy | solomonn: ok i'll look for screenshots or something |
| 07:52.14 | Kelv | hanasaki, try searching on google for 192.168 and rfc |
| 07:52.21 | hanasaki | thanks kelv |
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| 07:52.29 | Kelv | nope only 192.168.X.X |
| 07:52.34 | hanasaki | http://www.michna.com/kb/IpAddressesPrivate.htm |
| 07:52.34 | tarzeau | liable: i want to remove that fucking damned package that's worth bullshit with it's depending rcs |
| 07:52.39 | Kelv | and 10.X.X.X (and 127.X.X.X) |
| 07:52.40 | hanasaki | and 10. anything |
| 07:52.47 | Kelv | yep |
| 07:52.53 | tarzeau | liable: so i should file a bug again, a new one? |
| 07:53.01 | hanasaki | hmm so why use a 10. vs 192.168 vs 127? |
| 07:53.05 | solomonn | hcy: i don't think the gnome theme switcher for dummies bothers to change the sawfish theme to match the rest of gnome, whereas it does that for metacity; so one has to go in to the window manager pref and select a theme to match that one enjoys |
| 07:53.11 | amorphix | I'm having a recurring problem with NFS with video and mp3 playing... can someone tell me categorically whether playing video and mp3 across NFS should present any problems? |
| 07:53.16 | tarzeau | hanasaki: less to type, and larger network |
| 07:53.18 | cn | its a good choice 2.6.8? |
| 07:53.34 | Kelv | 127 = yourself |
| 07:53.38 | hanasaki | ah.. i think i will go w/ 10. and make my own subnets . |
| 07:53.39 | amorphix | hi |
| 07:53.48 | Kelv | 10 is just bigger :) |
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| 07:53.54 | hcy | solomonn: ok |
| 07:53.55 | hanasaki | bigger is better hehe |
| 07:54.06 | amorphix | only if you live in america |
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| 07:54.43 | Kelv | lol |
| 07:54.46 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 07:54.53 | Kelv | what, you japanese or soemthing |
| 07:55.00 | liable | tarzeau: I guess. |
| 07:55.28 | hcy | so does anyone here know of an easy way to try sawfish out without removing my current metacity, making it easy to revert back to what i have now if i don't like it or it's too complicated or whatever? |
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| 07:55.41 | tarzeau | liable: this crap is so pissing me |
| 07:55.41 | hanasaki | ok.. so i was thining of putting 10.1 for my lan and 10.2 for the wifi Accesspoint. each 10. will be on its own physical card |
| 07:55.47 | mwilson | amorphix: As long as you have enough network bandwidth. |
| 07:55.59 | amorphix | what i want to know is why i can play a video on one system using NFS and my other system just cant do it, it constantly locks up |
| 07:56.10 | tarzeau | is there no guide on how to remove a package when it's so fucked up, manually? |
| 07:56.17 | hanasaki | ok.. so i was thining of putting 10.1 for my lan and 10.2 for the wifi Accesspoint. each 10. will be on its own physical card comments? and how do i establish the route so the wifi can get to the lan and visa versa? i will then filter with iptalbes |
| 07:56.21 | tarzeau | liable: the thing is i can't even upgrade the crap of a package |
| 07:56.29 | solomonn | hcy: in debian it's not too hard to put metacity back and remove sawfish, anyway |
| 07:56.29 | amorphix | mwilson: sure I have the bandwidth |
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| 07:56.46 | Kelv | hanasaki, sounds good, as long as hte routing is set up properly should be fine |
| 07:57.03 | amorphix | some things do my head in |
| 07:57.04 | solomonn | hcy: just try it with aptitude install sawfish; aptitude remove metaicty and then go back with aptitude install metacity; aptitude remove sawfish |
| 07:57.05 | tarzeau | liable: i will write the maintainer directly |
| 07:57.05 | hanasaki | Kelv: right.. i dont know how to set up the routing.. can you help me out w/ info |
| 07:57.23 | amorphix | what is tmpfs for? |
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| 07:57.36 | amorphix | !tmpfs |
| 07:57.36 | dpkg | cd /usr/src/linux/Documentation; grep -r tmpfs *, or under Sid at least tmpfs is automatically mounted at boot time by /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs (no need to add it to fstab). you can change the default size of it by editing /etc/default/tmpfs. For performance reasons you can also mount temporary filesystems there such as /tmp with a line like "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" in fstab |
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| 07:58.00 | amorphix | is this the same as swap? |
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| 07:58.26 | hcy | solomonn: will my curretn metacity settings be saved that way? (I have no idea what metacity even does, really) |
| 07:58.39 | Kelv | hanasaki, !networking |
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| 07:58.45 | Kelv | !networking |
| 07:58.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, networking is at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/ and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Networking-Overview-HOWTO.html and "man interfaces" |
| 07:58.52 | solomonn | amorphix: it's not the same as swap.. i think it's for temporary application files.. i think that they end up being stored on RAM for faster access.. don't quote me on that |
| 07:59.00 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 07:59.01 | amorphix | i have mounted tmpfs on /dev and /dev/shm this isnt right eh? |
| 07:59.08 | Kelv | np :) |
| 07:59.13 | solomonn | amorphix: assuming i'm not full of shit, you could say it's sort of the opposite of swap :) |
| 07:59.21 | amorphix | oh i see |
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| 07:59.44 | solomonn | hcy: yeah your settings will stick around for you |
| 07:59.46 | amorphix | is it normal to have two tmpfs mounted? |
| 08:00.03 | solomonn | hcy: the window manager is essentially responsible for everything around your window. you know, the title bar, borders, close button, etc. |
| 08:00.16 | hcy | solomonn: ok thanks |
| 08:01.13 | amorphix | seriously, i have two tmpfs mounted and its not even in my fstab to mount tmpfs |
| 08:01.38 | amorphix | i am wondering if that's whats causing dodgy performance over NFS when playing videos |
| 08:02.37 | amorphix | how does one check if swap is enabled and being used? |
| 08:02.43 | solomonn | amorphix: i would doubt that |
| 08:02.47 | amorphix | ok |
| 08:03.06 | solomonn | amorphix: i'm not really sure how it's supposed to be but i doubt that it would be easy to break it without trying |
| 08:03.09 | amorphix | but is it normal to have tmpfs mounted on "/dev" and "/dev/shm" ? |
| 08:03.27 | amorphix | doesnt seem right to me |
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| 08:03.44 | mwilson | amorphix: If you're unlucky enough to be using udev. |
| 08:03.52 | amorphix | what is udev? |
| 08:04.04 | amorphix | !udev |
| 08:04.04 | dpkg | well, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 08:04.27 | glick | excuse me does anyone know how to get vim to reread its vimrc file from within the editor> |
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| 08:05.22 | vladster | There was a very good guide for setting up jetdirect remote printers, does anyone know of the link? |
| 08:06.26 | karsten | vladster: CUPs admin. |
| 08:06.40 | karsten | vladster: ... should just be a port 9100 postscript printer, no? |
| 08:06.41 | amorphix | mwilson: i seem to have udev installed :-/ should I remove it? |
| 08:06.45 | nico22 | hiii... i have a question about edonkey... i am using ed2k commandline version... but i dont know how to connect to a server... i try to do searchs and never got results... nor no one uploads things from me... i am not behind a firewall... i read the help and I couldnt find any command to connect to a network... if anyone knows how to use ed2k please help me!!! |
| 08:06.56 | mwilson | amorphix: Why would you? |
| 08:07.07 | amorphix | mwilson: well I get the impression its bad thing to use |
| 08:07.09 | solomonn | amorphix: nah udev is ok |
| 08:07.10 | karsten | mwilson: Well, isn't it being pulled out of the kernel? |
| 08:07.13 | amorphix | ok |
| 08:07.27 | mwilson | karsten: Uh, udev was never IN the kernel. |
| 08:07.31 | solomonn | amorphix: it won't break what you're doing anyway |
| 08:07.38 | karsten | mwilson: All the better reason to remove it. |
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| 08:07.46 | amorphix | i will remove it then |
| 08:07.56 | karsten | mwilson: ... it's a readily accomplished task, and can inflate your status report. |
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| 08:08.10 | solomonn | LOL |
| 08:08.12 | mwilson | amorphix: If you want to break your box. |
| 08:08.16 | solomonn | karsten, haha ha |
| 08:08.20 | mwilson | karsten: MY status report? |
| 08:08.24 | solomonn | amorphix: leave udev alone :) |
| 08:08.33 | amorphix | sheesh |
| 08:08.47 | streuner | apt-get remove udev, done. |
| 08:09.06 | amorphix | ok i put it bak |
| 08:09.38 | amorphix | im still unclear about the tmpfs mounted on /dev and /dev/shm |
| 08:09.43 | amorphix | is this normal guys? |
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| 08:09.54 | streuner | debian installer team needed udev, but it makes us only headaches |
| 08:10.04 | mwilson | d-i doesn't use udev, never has. |
| 08:10.11 | mwilson | d-i uses devfs. |
| 08:10.22 | amorphix | you guys are funny |
| 08:10.30 | glick | damn no one is in vim |
| 08:10.32 | streuner | mwilson: /j #debian-boot |
| 08:10.35 | glick | at least no one awake |
| 08:10.37 | karsten | amorphix: No, we're sleep-deprived. Don't confuse the two. |
| 08:10.47 | karsten | glick: question? |
| 08:10.55 | amorphix | why dont you guys ever sleep, are you addicted to irc |
| 08:11.16 | streuner | amorphix: i love #debian - that's all. |
| 08:11.17 | Kelv | it's 6pm here lol |
| 08:11.17 | karsten | amorphix: Well, actually, I'm just dropping in for a moment. Apartment hunting, mostly. |
| 08:11.18 | amorphix | sleep depreviation is a side effect of running linux |
| 08:11.31 | defcon8 | amorphix, drink bawls |
| 08:11.31 | solomonn | amorphix: we're all on the other side of the planet, it's noon where we are! |
| 08:11.31 | karsten | amorphix: ... or vice versa. |
| 08:11.32 | solomonn | ;P |
| 08:11.39 | glick | karsten im setting up abbreviations in my .vimrc file so that when i type imain it sets up the entire main function template, including return 0; statement and puts start brace and end brace in proper location and puts your cursor where it belongs to start typing |
| 08:11.41 | defcon8 | actually i think i have caffeine immunity but nvm |
| 08:11.46 | amorphix | strange |
| 08:11.49 | hcy | so solomonn what was this thing that was supposed to help me start something minimized? i have sawfish running now |
| 08:12.05 | glick | karsten, however, when i do it it seems to add an extra space when it types the return 0; statement |
| 08:12.07 | glick | then it should |
| 08:12.11 | glick | and i cant figure out why |
| 08:12.14 | karsten | glick: I don't think you can do that with abbreviations. Macros should be able to though. But I don't use 'em. |
| 08:12.14 | amorphix | why is Microsoft running so many Linux's? |
| 08:12.31 | amorphix | maybe they can't decide which dist to run |
| 08:12.33 | glick | karsten, i am doing it with abbreviations |
| 08:12.41 | karsten | glick: Um. I suspect the space is actually what you're entering at the end of the abbreviation. Check that it's not on the line itself. |
| 08:12.59 | karsten | glick: ... other than that, well, it's past my bedtime, and my carriage just turned into a pumpkin. |
| 08:13.02 | tarzeau | is someone likely to package http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html for debian? |
| 08:13.15 | karsten | tarzeau: More likely if you file an RTP. |
| 08:13.15 | amorphix | how does the Linux community feel about MS submitting patches for Gaim and other apps? |
| 08:13.23 | tarzeau | karsten: i doubt |
| 08:13.40 | tarzeau | karsten: from the 20 or so RTP i filed, about 2 % got packaged by others, and the rest by me |
| 08:13.42 | karsten | amorphix: If they're sound patches, cool. If they're trojaning patents, bad move for MSFT IMO. |
| 08:13.57 | karsten | tarzeau: Well, that would suggest a path to satisfaction ;-) |
| 08:14.00 | amorphix | people mistrust MS's motives? |
| 08:14.02 | tarzeau | karsten: but i can ask some friends who *do* packages, that's more likely to help |
| 08:14.10 | amorphix | why would they help the enemy eh |
| 08:14.14 | karsten | tarzeau: More likely #debian-devel than here FWIW. |
| 08:14.21 | vladster | still does not hit the nail on the head |
| 08:14.34 | tarzeau | karsten: i like here. i know about #debian-devel |
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| 08:14.37 | karsten | ... excepting mwilson ... |
| 08:14.45 | karsten | ... to whom he bids a padded night. |
| 08:14.49 | streuner | So Aug 14 10:14:42 CEST 2005 |
| 08:14.50 | tarzeau | karsten: but i could check the itp database |
| 08:14.55 | karsten | tarzeau: Point. |
| 08:14.55 | tarzeau | morgen streuner |
| 08:15.00 | streuner | tarzeau: hi |
| 08:17.05 | tarzeau | karsten: there's one thing on itp. i guess i will not bother (needs fbdev which i so hate) |
| 08:17.11 | streuner | damn, nobody shares sarge isos (bidtorrent) |
| 08:17.16 | liable | tarzeau: I dont understand, if you removed the info for that package from status, its still shows. I do it, and it shows uninstalled.. |
| 08:17.32 | liable | streuner: use jidgo :) |
| 08:17.45 | liable | or jigdo.. :) |
| 08:17.49 | streuner | liable: well, somebody asked yesterday about... |
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| 08:18.15 | tarzeau | liable: it shows pi twiki here |
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| 08:18.59 | liable | tarzeau: you remove the whole lot for it? whatever I delete shows un, and I just did two packages to make sure.. |
| 08:19.21 | tarzeau | liable: don't you have a pi package? try installing twiki pleas.e.. |
| 08:19.23 | tchino | i have reinstall my debian server, on woody, there were exim, now it is exim4, can i copy my old exim.conf in /etc/exim4 |
| 08:19.36 | tarzeau | liable: try to fuck up a package to be pi and then remove it from those files... |
| 08:19.54 | tarzeau | tchino: you had exim3 before ? |
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| 08:20.34 | amorphix | !exim |
| 08:20.34 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
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| 08:21.09 | tchino | tarzeau: ok, but exim4 has other settings |
| 08:21.29 | liable | tarzeau: you couldnt install it? |
| 08:21.33 | amorphix | is exim needed on a system that doesnt run a mailserver or send mail directly? |
| 08:21.42 | liable | tarzeau: or remove it? |
| 08:21.44 | tarzeau | liable: i can't remove the hell of a software |
| 08:21.52 | tarzeau | liable: i don't ever want twiki EVER |
| 08:21.55 | mwilson | Some MTA is. |
| 08:21.59 | amorphix | oh |
| 08:22.03 | tarzeau | tchino: 10:19 < tarzeau> tchino: you had exim3 before ? |
| 08:22.09 | tarzeau | tchino: YES OR NO |
| 08:22.11 | amorphix | postfix is a better MTA eh |
| 08:22.23 | mwilson | Define "better". |
| 08:22.36 | amorphix | less security holes and easier to configure |
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| 08:23.14 | amorphix | ive always used postfix on my server but i have exim4 on workstations |
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| 08:25.15 | tchino | tarzeau: my server is crashed, but i have the files, how can i find out the version without execute exim |
| 08:25.35 | tarzeau | tchino: 10:21 < tarzeau> tchino: 10:19 < tarzeau> tchino: you had exim3 before ? |
| 08:26.50 | tchino | tarzeau: i don't know |
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| 08:27.02 | liable | tarzeau: hmm, I uninstalled it, didnt purge, removed it from staus, and know it shows un |
| 08:27.06 | liable | ?? |
| 08:27.11 | tarzeau | tchino: try dpkg -l | grep exim |
| 08:27.26 | tarzeau | liable: try dpkg --purge twiki now |
| 08:27.48 | liable | tarzeau: but dpkg wont know about it now! |
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| 08:28.16 | tarzeau | liable: yes it will, if it shows up as un |
| 08:28.27 | tchino | tarzeau: now i have exim4 |
| 08:28.30 | tarzeau | liable: it'll only know nothing about it, if it's not shown up at all |
| 08:28.58 | liable | tarzeau: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove twiki which isn't installed. |
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| 08:29.04 | tarzeau | tchino: you could try strings theoldeximbinary and look if the version is somewhere |
| 08:29.13 | tchino | tarzeau: before i had debian woody, now i have debian sarge |
| 08:29.17 | tarzeau | liable: ok my version is broken and i can't remove it |
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| 08:30.13 | Danny_Lion | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.31 | amorphix | whats a Mustrek 2400 CU |
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| 08:30.56 | tarzeau | a scanner |
| 08:30.59 | NewNi | hi |
| 08:31.01 | amorphix | oh |
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| 08:31.15 | NewNi | how can i do to uninstall completely debian and the boot manager? |
| 08:31.35 | amorphix | are you crazy? uinstall debian?? |
| 08:31.41 | Lagtastic | lol |
| 08:31.41 | NewNi | yes |
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| 08:32.48 | amorphix | why not just format the hdd? |
| 08:32.52 | liable | NewNi: just install something else.. |
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| 08:32.55 | RCAM | How would I go about doing the same command with a .tar.bz2 file? gzip -dc /mnt/hdb1/system_drive_backup.img.gz | dd of=/dev/hda |
| 08:33.05 | amorphix | make a backup first |
| 08:33.28 | RCAM | amorphix Can't I am using a DVD and a blank drive. |
| 08:33.37 | joel | no backup, thats for pussies |
| 08:33.42 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 08:33.51 | NewNi | i want to disable the boot manager and after i will format the partition |
| 08:33.53 | RCAM | joel I am using it to image a drive. |
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| 08:34.13 | jkaufman | NewNi: install somthing else? |
| 08:34.29 | amorphix | install a new bootmanager and it will remove the other one |
| 08:34.35 | liable | NewNi: you cant remove grub, you just overwrite it. (the mbr) |
| 08:34.44 | NewNi | no i have win and debian, i want to remove debian and give the pc to my brother |
| 08:35.02 | NewNi | ok, how to rewrite the mbr? |
| 08:35.05 | liable | NewNi: run fixmbr from windows disk. |
| 08:35.06 | joel | thats a tough one.. |
| 08:35.14 | spdf | NewNi, Boot up a Windows installation (2000 or XP), go to the recovry console, and run fixmbr |
| 08:35.18 | sporkbomb | joel: tough? |
| 08:35.28 | spdf | NewNi, .. a windows installation disc rather... |
| 08:35.32 | joel | I meant that it's a good question |
| 08:35.39 | amorphix | hehe |
| 08:35.44 | NewNi | ok i have the original cd |
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| 08:36.23 | liable | NewNi: or convert your bro to debian :) |
| 08:36.36 | jkaufman | liable: took the words right out of my mouth haha |
| 08:36.37 | NewNi | impossible!!! |
| 08:36.37 | NewNi | :) |
| 08:37.11 | jkaufman | NewNi: just tell him its better and youl pay him to learn it and he better like it or your taking your money back ;p |
| 08:37.25 | NewNi | i have to learn first! |
| 08:37.48 | ReignWOlve | lol |
| 08:37.49 | NewNi | i'm an absolute beginner |
| 08:37.57 | ReignWOlve | linux is the best |
| 08:38.06 | jkaufman | linux rocks man |
| 08:38.19 | Lagtastic | debian is fun |
| 08:38.28 | jkaufman | unfortunatly i dont use it on my laptop =\ (damn school requiers windows... fuckers.) |
| 08:38.33 | ReignWOlve | i have debian and xp pro on my lappy and the only reason i have xp pro is for school cause they suck ass and run on xp pro |
| 08:38.42 | Lagtastic | lol |
| 08:38.45 | liable | tarzeau: it purged ok too, once I re-installed it, except for a couple of directories, that I had to rm. |
| 08:39.04 | NewNi | sorry...what does "lol" mean? |
| 08:39.06 | jkaufman | ReignWOlve: my problem is when i did a duel boot, i got in shit for it |
| 08:39.09 | joel | !lol |
| 08:39.09 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a ubuntu user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 08:39.14 | tarzeau | liable: 20011201-2 is what i have |
| 08:39.15 | ReignWOlve | why? |
| 08:39.26 | ReignWOlve | i dual booted mine and its a shitty dell |
| 08:39.27 | jkaufman | my college are pricks |
| 08:39.34 | Lagtastic | srry |
| 08:39.36 | ReignWOlve | its your property |
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| 08:39.39 | Lagtastic | ubuntu sucks btw |
| 08:39.39 | NewNi | bye |
| 08:39.39 | tarzeau | jkaufman: so are your english |
| 08:39.41 | streuner | NewNi: usually 'LaughingOutLoud' |
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| 08:39.52 | jkaufman | tarzeau: i'm tierd. leave me alone :) |
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| 08:39.58 | NewNi | thanks, now i leave |
| 08:40.02 | pocha | i need help and the mod in #ubuntu banned me with no warning |
| 08:40.04 | NewNi | bye and thanks |
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| 08:40.15 | jkaufman | pocha: and what would you like us to do? |
| 08:40.19 | liable | tarzeau: yeah, I had 20040902-3 |
| 08:40.23 | pocha | its very simple, really |
| 08:40.30 | jkaufman | ok, shoot me :) |
| 08:40.31 | streuner | pocha: why are you asking here? |
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| 08:40.44 | pocha | does no one read anymore? wow |
| 08:40.53 | ReignWOlve | thats like asking germany to change american law |
| 08:41.01 | kadigibox | Does anyone know of a video capture/video display card that is compatible with linux. You know something that will capture and display video to eather s-video or RCA video |
| 08:41.01 | pocha | i read the repository url referenced here and i cant remember what line to put in which text document to have full access to the repositories |
| 08:41.03 | ReignWOlve | it can't be done with out a major war lmao |
| 08:41.03 | streuner | pocha: are you running ubuntu? |
| 08:41.08 | pocha | yeah i am |
| 08:41.21 | pocha | but the mod in #ubuntu banned me because i asked that question |
| 08:41.29 | pocha | and when he linked me to the link i said i already read |
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| 08:41.35 | pocha | i copied and pasted the part where i said i read it |
| 08:41.39 | pocha | and he banned me with no warning |
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| 08:41.52 | Lafy | why were portmap and rpc.statd running on my system and how do i keep them from starting when i reboot? |
| 08:41.53 | pocha | so now, because he wants to be a jerk, i cant get any help in there |
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| 08:41.59 | amorphix | ReignWOlve alles klar |
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| 08:42.10 | mwilson | Lafy: Because you installed them. |
| 08:42.25 | ReignWOlve | dunno what u are saying amorphix |
| 08:42.27 | streuner | Lafy: removing portmapper from your system is dangerous |
| 08:42.34 | Lafy | why? |
| 08:42.37 | pocha | thanks guys, thanks |
| 08:42.49 | streuner | Lafy: if you running NFS the system won't boot then |
| 08:43.07 | amorphix | ReignWOlve sorry I thought you were deutsche |
| 08:43.15 | ReignWOlve | no |
| 08:43.20 | ReignWOlve | Im American |
| 08:43.27 | amorphix | ok apologies |
| 08:43.32 | ReignWOlve | eh its ok |
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| 08:43.46 | defcon8 | wish i lived in america or japan :( |
| 08:43.54 | tchino | how can i configure exim4 |
| 08:43.54 | jkaufman | where do you live now? |
| 08:43.54 | amorphix | defcon8 why? |
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| 08:44.09 | amorphix | everyone thinks the grass is greener |
| 08:44.09 | ReignWOlve | Japan would be awesome |
| 08:44.18 | ReignWOlve | i would go there in a heartbeat |
| 08:44.26 | amorphix | you should make the most of where you are |
| 08:44.47 | jkaufman | in certain situations |
| 08:44.48 | defcon8 | amorphix, you can get more syuff from ebay and everything comes out earlier in both places |
| 08:44.59 | defcon8 | and i want to work in silicon valley when i grow up |
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| 08:45.01 | jkaufman | defcon8: where do you live? |
| 08:45.04 | amorphix | hehe |
| 08:45.06 | liable | tarzeau: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 08:45.12 | defcon8 | i am from england but i am living in istanbul/turkey |
| 08:45.14 | amorphix | but theres alot of negetative/downside too |
| 08:45.19 | ReignWOlve | not in a small town where the most you can make starting out in a job is minimum wage or a few dollars higher |
| 08:45.33 | amorphix | *negative |
| 08:45.40 | Lafy | how would i know if i'm using NFS? i _highly_ doubt i am. |
| 08:45.42 | tarzeau | liable: i'm happy with exim3. that's probably for the other guy |
| 08:45.51 | defcon8 | i still wanna work in silicon valley |
| 08:45.52 | liable | tarzeau: oh, sorry :) |
| 08:45.54 | ReignWOlve | i went an applied for a job in computers and got turned down kinda sucks cause that job would make the financial better but I am trying to be patient |
| 08:45.59 | liable | tchino: ^^^ |
| 08:46.04 | amorphix | i think NFS is the best thing since sliced bread |
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| 08:46.08 | tarzeau | Lafy: type mount, and see if there's mounts, and look at /etc/exports |
| 08:46.20 | tarzeau | amorphix: tried shfs yet? |
| 08:46.29 | ReignWOlve | silicon valley would be awesom too |
| 08:46.35 | amorphix | tarzeau: not yet but I have a feeling I will like it more |
| 08:46.47 | defcon8 | what is /lost+found for? |
| 08:46.56 | tarzeau | defcon8: it's good, you want to keep it |
| 08:47.05 | ReignWOlve | imagine the brain power that is gathered in that small area |
| 08:47.12 | defcon8 | but whats it for. after 3 years of usign linux i could never figure it out |
| 08:47.18 | amorphix | does shfs offer any performance/stability benefits over NFS? |
| 08:47.19 | tarzeau | defcon8: be glad |
| 08:47.25 | Lafy | ok i'm not using nfs... how do i prevent portmap and rpc.statd from starting? |
| 08:47.32 | defcon8 | please help me :( |
| 08:47.32 | tarzeau | defcon8: for files(parts of them) that are lost, will be put there if found |
| 08:47.44 | defcon8 | ive never seen anything in there |
| 08:48.02 | trogger | is this channel logged somewhere? |
| 08:48.05 | tarzeau | defcon8: be happy |
| 08:48.08 | tarzeau | trogger: yes |
| 08:48.08 | defcon8 | ok |
| 08:48.12 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 08:48.13 | dpkg | from memory, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 08:48.13 | amorphix | lost+found is for lost data |
| 08:48.38 | liable | trogger: lots of people probably log it. |
| 08:48.52 | amorphix | when your hdd goes loopy and files get corrupted, thats where to find them |
| 08:48.53 | jkaufman | i'm going to need 2 volenteers to come to montreal(Canada) on tuesday of next week, i have a 600lbs server rack being delivered, need it lifted up 3 flights of stairs ^^ |
| 08:49.01 | glick | excuse me, in vim abbreviations how can i capture a return hit? |
| 08:49.03 | usn | good morning |
| 08:49.06 | tarzeau | amorphix: or when you mkfs.ext2 on an existing ext2 filesystem |
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| 08:49.15 | amorphix | heh |
| 08:49.17 | glick | so that for example if yu type J<RETURN> it expands to something |
| 08:49.20 | tarzeau | amorphix: abort it, and fsck |
| 08:49.43 | lino5 | there is a kde based cd writing tool?? |
| 08:49.46 | defcon8 | anyone play GO? |
| 08:49.58 | tarzeau | liable: k3b |
| 08:50.12 | liable | thanks i have it :) |
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| 08:51.27 | liable | lino5: see what tarzeau said ^^ |
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| 08:52.10 | hanasaki | how can i make exim require authentication from any sender where the reciepinet is not in a localdomain? |
| 08:52.55 | tarzeau | hanasaki: i got helped on that in #exim |
| 08:53.02 | tarzeau | (3 years ago ;) |
| 08:53.02 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 08:53.05 | hanasaki | lol |
| 08:53.14 | tarzeau | same config, still works fine |
| 08:53.22 | hanasaki | tarzeau: ya coudl just send me your config :) |
| 08:53.23 | hanasaki | pls |
| 08:53.26 | SJr|TecraX | How can I tell if I'm running xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:53.30 | tarzeau | i've switched to teapop from qpopper some year ago |
| 08:53.34 | SJr|TecraX | I just switched to xorg but I don't see any difference. |
| 08:53.35 | tarzeau | hanasaki: i've got exim3 |
| 08:53.41 | hanasaki | ah |
| 08:53.45 | hanasaki | migth be the same? |
| 08:53.52 | tarzeau | SJr|TecraX: be glad it works |
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| 08:54.05 | tarzeau | hanasaki: no idea, really try ask in #exim |
| 08:54.07 | hanasaki | actually.. its late.. i goofed.. first order is to allow thunderbird to send in tls |
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| 08:54.12 | hanasaki | k |
| 08:54.15 | sporkbomb | SJr|TecraX: why didn't you read what the differences were before you blindly installed it? |
| 08:54.18 | sporkbomb | just curious |
| 08:55.08 | mwilson | SJr|TecraX: What difference did you expect to see? |
| 08:55.20 | liable | SJr|TecraX: or if you payed any attention, you would have noticed that apt removed xserver-xfree |
| 08:55.23 | eschur_ | every time I run deselect it wants me to remove a lot of packages, I removed the offending package I was going to install but it still wants to remove all these packages. How do I tell it to just keep everything the way it is now |
| 08:55.38 | SJr|TecraX | liable okay yes I believe it did do that, but I still don't even notice the difference |
| 08:56.06 | SJr|TecraX | well I dunno the world is moving away from XFree86, because of its slow development and lack of new and innovative features was my understanding. Now I have Xorg but don't see any new and innovative features. |
| 08:56.44 | mwilson | Like? |
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| 08:58.11 | SJr|TecraX | I don't know |
| 08:58.15 | SJr|TecraX | why don't you tell me :P |
| 08:58.26 | mwilson | I'm not the one making the claim. |
| 08:58.39 | SJr|TecraX | well okay |
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| 08:58.47 | SJr|TecraX | why is the world moving away from XFree86 |
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| 08:59.04 | liable | licensing iirc. |
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| 08:59.08 | mwilson | Because XFree's license changed in a way the world found unacceptable. |
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| 08:59.17 | codemaster | hi all |
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| 08:59.52 | mitten | replace all non-local references of woody with sarge...what exactly does it mean? I have stable in my http urls in sources file |
| 08:59.54 | SJr|TecraX | oh now it comes back to me |
| 08:59.58 | mwilson | Whether or not it WAS unacceptable, who knows. |
| 09:00.14 | Dyus | hi, is there a way to show output of a process running in the background in console? |
| 09:00.20 | SJr|TecraX | thats right XFree86 added that BSDv1 requirement of saying that it is built on Xfree86 iirc. |
| 09:00.33 | streuner | Dyus: man ps |
| 09:00.37 | tarzeau | Dyus: you want gnu screen |
| 09:00.48 | liable | mitten: replace stable with sarge, for reasons i dont know, you are still tracking woody, even though sarge is now stable.. |
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| 09:00.49 | Dyus | thx man |
| 09:00.58 | tarzeau | Dyus: actually screen -dmS name process |
| 09:01.41 | liable | mitten: and if you stayed about 30 secs longer last time, I would have told you then :P |
| 09:02.06 | mitten | liable: here is sample http url in sources...deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 09:02.29 | mitten | liable: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 09:02.37 | liable | mitten: sure, change stable to sarge. |
| 09:02.52 | liable | mitten: have you updated and upgraded lately? |
| 09:03.16 | mitten | liable: do you need see those grep libc6 output? I have not updated and upgraded....earlier I have been doing kernel source compiles |
| 09:03.33 | mitten | how do I show you output of command in irc ....can I run shell command here? |
| 09:03.58 | SerajewelKS | !tell mitten about pastebin |
| 09:03.59 | liable | mitten: I saw it in #flood, you should be able to just update and dist-upgrade without changing you sources.. |
| 09:04.15 | sporkbomb | mitten: /exec -o <cmd> |
| 09:04.18 | liable | mitten: no, dont paste here, do it in #flood |
| 09:04.29 | mitten | ok thanks guys.... |
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| 09:05.36 | Lagtastic | never stop |
| 09:05.45 | sporkbomb | I'm starting to get confused w/ Java, C, and Squeak's syntax |
| 09:05.47 | sporkbomb | hehe |
| 09:06.05 | SerajewelKS | sporkbomb, if you're confusing C with Java, drinking isn't the only problem |
| 09:06.34 | sporkbomb | SerajewelKS: I don't think you know what I am talking about at the moment. |
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| 09:09.49 | mitten | !tell mitten woody->sarge |
| 09:10.22 | streuner | mitten: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 09:12.33 | mitten | liable: dpkg says to do aptitiue update and then dist-upgrade.... you suggested to do apt-get update and dist-upgrade....any difference? |
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| 09:13.40 | liable | mitten: use aptitude. |
| 09:13.47 | mitten | ok |
| 09:13.48 | sporkbomb | mitten: I promise you that the man page explains it pretty clearly |
| 09:13.58 | mitten | ok thanks |
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| 09:18.04 | glick | anyone one know how to abbreviate the backspace key in vim? |
| 09:18.10 | glick | is there a <BCKSPACE> |
| 09:18.13 | glick | or something like that? |
| 09:19.43 | sporkbomb | glick: if you are talking about the config file, yes it is <backspace>. |
| 09:20.16 | mitten | liable: i just replaced stable with sarge in my sources file...now doing apt-get update again.... |
| 09:21.25 | liable | mitten: ok, dont forget to use aptitude for the dist-upgrade.. |
| 09:21.46 | mitten | well then I would need to do aptitude update too.... |
| 09:21.59 | liable | no, the update doesnt matter... |
| 09:22.30 | mitten | liable: well if it does not take much time I dont mind following book |
| 09:22.39 | liable | mitten: you can use aptitude just like apt-get on the command line. |
| 09:22.52 | mitten | liable: ok |
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| 09:23.31 | mitten | liable: I read article stating while doing dist-upgrade use -du option to first download and then do actual upgrade |
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| 09:24.23 | liable | mitten: Why do they say that? |
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| 09:24.54 | mitten | liable: article states that for faster upgrade first just do download and then do upgrade.... |
| 09:25.10 | mitten | if its not needed then I will just do it without -du |
| 09:25.16 | glick | sporkbomb, but it doesnt move the physical cursor |
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| 09:26.12 | liable | mitten: ok, either should work, whatever you like i spose.. :) |
| 09:26.28 | mitten | I will now shutdown X and do aptitude update and dist-upgrade commands... |
| 09:26.38 | nkuttler | -u is always a good idea |
| 09:26.43 | liable | good luck :) |
| 09:26.50 | mitten | thanks guys... |
| 09:27.20 | sporkbomb | glick: oh, I see what you are asking now |
| 09:27.34 | sporkbomb | glick: add this to your config --> map <backspace> <c-h> |
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| 09:27.55 | sporkbomb | glick: that will give BS the same functionality as control+h |
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| 09:28.45 | sporkbomb | glick: Is this what you are asking about? |
| 09:28.53 | liable | hmm something is changing /tmp to 755 on this box.. |
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| 09:29.52 | streuner | liable: tar xvf ati.driver? |
| 09:30.05 | glick | spork bomb im trying to set it up so that if i type an opening curly brace and press enter, it will automatically print the matching closing curly brace two lines down and place the cursor in the middle of the two one tab stop from the left |
| 09:30.48 | liable | streuner: I havent used the ati driver. I dont understand what you mean. |
| 09:30.55 | glick | if only i could capture that enter in the abbreviation |
| 09:31.14 | glick | like abbreviate {<CR> then my troubles would be solved but apparently that doesnt work |
| 09:31.27 | streuner | liable: if you extract some tar archives it would change the permissions too, only as root though... |
| 09:32.02 | streuner | liable: keep in mind, changing the permissions in /tmp causes headaches |
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| 09:32.16 | liable | streuner: oh, I did dpkg -x a couple of packages into there earlier. |
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| 09:32.34 | tiriel | Hello!! |
| 09:32.46 | jkaufman | good morning |
| 09:32.52 | liable | streuner: why would yhat change the directory perms though? |
| 09:32.58 | liable | that |
| 09:33.14 | tiriel | I'm having kind of trouble |
| 09:33.14 | streuner | liable: hell no, your system won't work anymore... |
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| 09:33.39 | tiriel | I just installed Xorg which is distributed in the unstable release |
| 09:34.04 | streuner | liable: tar |
| 09:34.16 | tchino | i get my every install the message: perl: warning: Setting locale failed., but i had configure locales to german settings |
| 09:34.27 | tiriel | It seems to work OK but when running I can't go back to the text terminals (i.e.: ctrl + alt + F1) |
| 09:34.27 | jahi | aloha! I'm confised about the current state of the Debian-project: which version is released atm? and what is the codename for testing? |
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| 09:34.40 | liable | streuner: I cant open a man page as a user, this happened the other day too, and I had to chmod it back to 777 (the whole dir) |
| 09:35.04 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 09:35.04 | dpkg | unix lessons is, like, (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 09:36.24 | glick | sporkbomb, so what will <c-h> do? |
| 09:36.33 | sporkbomb | glick: I can kind of get what you are trying to do, but I'm not sure how to handle the braces lining up correctly. |
| 09:37.07 | sporkbomb | glick: <c-h> will act as a backspace...which is what I thought you were initially asking |
| 09:37.10 | glick | sporkbomb, i got that set, im just trying to make it do a packspace |
| 09:37.29 | sporkbomb | glick: then <c-h> should do |
| 09:37.51 | glick | sporkbomb, nah doesnt work:( |
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| 09:39.26 | glick | sporkbomb, can i capture an "enter" in the abbreviation? |
| 09:39.29 | glick | the first string |
| 09:39.31 | sporkbomb | glick: i'm not sure then...sorry |
| 09:39.35 | glick | not the string it is being replaced with |
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| 09:40.53 | sporkbomb | glick: try this --> ab { { <cr><cr>} |
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| 09:41.06 | sporkbomb | glick: I think this is what you want...let me know |
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| 09:41.30 | liable | hmm, it is the dpkg -x, that is changing /tmp permissions.. |
| 09:41.52 | jahi | stable is sarge and unstable = sid? but what is testing? |
| 09:42.38 | glick | sporkbomb, right now i have this :abbreviate { {<CR>} and that works fine, except when i usually type a curly brace i press enter immidiatly afterwards, the braces are expanded but there is still that new line after them. It is that new line that i am trying to prevent |
| 09:43.56 | glick | in edit mode if i press backspace, it does the job |
| 09:44.08 | glick | thats what i am trying to do |
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| 09:44.21 | sm | hi all |
| 09:44.31 | codemaster | i'm trouble with mountpoints... do i need to create just a directory /xxx and then put that in the mount command or is there something i'm missing |
| 09:44.45 | sm | I seem to have a problem where I can't connect to anything running on a local port |
| 09:44.46 | sporkbomb | glick: let me try some things... |
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| 09:45.03 | sm | what config files or packages might be blocking me ? |
| 09:45.10 | glick | sporkbomb, but you see now what i mean? |
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| 09:46.01 | sporkbomb | glick: yes |
| 09:46.10 | sporkbomb | glick: try adding a '<up>' after what you have |
| 09:46.31 | sporkbomb | glick: other than this, i don't see how to do it without an ugly hack of your config |
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| 09:47.23 | sm | anyone ? |
| 09:47.51 | defcon8 | WOOO |
| 09:47.54 | defcon8 | fu?ll boost trance! |
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| 09:47.58 | defcon8 | fuck the neighbours |
| 09:48.03 | defcon8 | they always play the tv too loud |
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| 09:48.17 | glick | yeah up will just move the cursor :( |
| 09:48.31 | glick | aiy i didnt think this was asking something unreasonable for vim to do :( |
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| 09:49.31 | sporkbomb | glick: I'm sure the vim guys will know how to do this a much cleaner way |
| 09:49.42 | codemaster | hey guy please a little helpi, how do i mount my ntfs drive i need to create a mountpoint but i defenetly miss a part |
| 09:49.50 | amorphix | defcon8: mine smoke too much |
| 09:50.17 | bob2 | codemaster: a mountpoint is a directory |
| 09:50.23 | bob2 | just make the directory wherever you want |
| 09:50.35 | defcon8 | amorphix, dude they put the tv on at full boost at like 1 oclock and i cant sleep atall |
| 09:50.47 | codemaster | bob2, ok giving rights ? |
| 09:50.51 | defcon8 | anyway im out |
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| 09:51.07 | bob2 | codemaster: I don't know what that sentence means |
| 09:51.40 | codemaster | bob2, well when i create that dir i'm root, so my user can't access it |
| 09:51.54 | glick | sporkbomb, do you know how i can just make vim stop auto indenting after a curly brace? |
| 09:52.06 | tchino | with which package can i fetch news on debian sarge |
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| 09:52.48 | sporkbomb | glick: do you have "autodindent" or "cindent" in your config? |
| 09:53.07 | codemaster | bob2, it works as root i got my files, but my user can't |
| 09:53.22 | glick | yeah |
| 09:53.29 | liable | streuner: i see what you were saying now.. i didnt quite understand what you were on about before though :) |
| 09:53.30 | glick | bah screw it i guess it cant be done |
| 09:54.24 | sporkbomb | glick: What's wrong w/ what you have already? I thought you have accomplished matching the braces and not creating that new line with the use of <up>? |
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| 09:55.00 | glick | spo0nman, nah it doesnt work |
| 09:55.09 | glick | the new line is still there |
| 09:55.12 | glick | and i know why now |
| 09:55.16 | sporkbomb | glick: let me msg you so we don't flood the channel w/ vim stuff |
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| 09:55.22 | glick | k |
| 09:55.26 | bob2 | codemaster: it doesn't matter who owns the directory |
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| 09:55.32 | bob2 | codemaster: the problem is with the way you mounted it |
| 09:55.47 | SimonRaven | q [8yr5222224['f |
| 09:55.58 | codemaster | bob2, owkey will check that one |
| 09:56.13 | bob2 | codemaster: perhaps you forgot the umask=000 mount option |
| 09:56.52 | SimonRaven | bob2: any idea on WTF is going on with the glibc "upgrade"? if i install 2.3.5, everything pukes |
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| 09:57.31 | Stereo | hi folks |
| 09:57.51 | codemaster | bob2, yes indeed i havn't that option |
| 09:57.55 | manbox | hi Stereo!! |
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| 09:58.14 | codemaster | bob2, are there other options i need for my ntfs partition |
| 09:58.18 | Stereo | I have an initrd kernel - the plain debian 2.6.12 kernel - that has all the modules I need for my 3ware 7002 RAID card. Yet when I boot from it, i complains about not being able to find /dev/console. What am I doing wrong? |
| 09:59.04 | SimonRaven | the initrd isn't loading? you forgot to load it into your boot loader conf? |
| 09:59.26 | Stereo | the exact error I get is: pivotroot: No such file or directory; /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file; Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 10:00.09 | codemaster | bob2, it's working now, thank you very much |
| 10:00.32 | Stereo | I can't see why it wouldn't load. I rsync'ed everything over to the RAID disk, changed hda and hda1 to sda and sda1 in lilo.conf, and updated the fstab |
| 10:01.24 | SimonRaven | uh |
| 10:01.35 | bob2 | SimonRaven: don't use 2.4.18 |
| 10:01.43 | Stereo | it's very odd |
| 10:01.44 | SimonRaven | i'm not |
| 10:01.54 | manbox | simons not odd? |
| 10:02.16 | bob2 | SimonRaven: unamee -r = ? |
| 10:02.19 | SimonRaven | wtf would? |
| 10:02.21 | bob2 | SimonRaven: and the error to #flood |
| 10:02.24 | SimonRaven | i* |
| 10:02.27 | manbox | uname -r? |
| 10:02.31 | SimonRaven | see the BTS |
| 10:02.43 | Stereo | maybe I should just drop initrd, compile scsi_mod and 3w_xxxx into the kernel and see if that works. But I like having debian's kernels in nice little packages |
| 10:02.45 | SimonRaven | libc6, and libpam-ldap packages |
| 10:03.06 | SimonRaven | 2.6.12-pylon |
| 10:03.12 | bob2 | well, I'm not going to go find the url |
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| 10:03.19 | SimonRaven | sec |
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| 10:04.45 | toetag | I am a bit new to debian and to drupal, anyway "apt-get install drupal" died halfway on me and left me in limbo |
| 10:04.54 | liable | Stereo: dunno if relevent for you.. google shows lots of hits, but here.. http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2005-July/021830.html |
| 10:05.27 | SimonRaven | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321561 |
| 10:05.41 | Stereo | maybe /mnt/initrd/loadmodules should have the modules I need? |
| 10:05.49 | toetag | I'd kind of like to use drupal 4.6.2, how do I determine if debian has a package for that? I tried =4.6.2 but it said no |
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| 10:05.56 | Stereo | but then it doesn't have xfs, and it manages to boot my ide xfs disk |
| 10:06.07 | Stereo | thanks liable |
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| 10:07.07 | SimonRaven | of course the package version is wrong, since i wouldn't even be able to use reportbug if i had 2.3.5 installed.... |
| 10:07.23 | bob2 | ouch |
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| 10:07.52 | SimonRaven | /usr/bin/make: relocation error: /lib/libdl.so.2: symbol _dl_catch_error, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld.so.1 with link time reference |
| 10:07.58 | Stereo | hey, they changed the bts layout? |
| 10:08.06 | SimonRaven | that's just trying to run fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 10:08.32 | Masterkong | hiya |
| 10:08.47 | SimonRaven | yeh, some upgrade. and pam_ldap and pam_heimdal do: PAM [dlerror: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol errno, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference] |
| 10:09.18 | Masterkong | i'm a total noob at this linux |
| 10:09.24 | Masterkong | but i want to learn |
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| 10:09.39 | SimonRaven | almost a week since my reports, and no reply whatsofuckingever |
| 10:09.53 | Masterkong | but its hard to read howtos and stuff in 800x600 |
| 10:09.55 | SimonRaven | just one from drow, sorry |
| 10:10.10 | Masterkong | so i need help installing nvidia graphicdrivers |
| 10:10.11 | bob2 | did you file bugs on the other packages as he suggested? |
| 10:10.36 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 10:11.05 | SimonRaven | i'm not going to file mass bugs however. as it would be on most packages installed |
| 10:11.15 | SimonRaven | i'm not fucking kidding |
| 10:11.17 | zoghome | is there any trick to installng xorg/sarge from deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main ? I am getting some 404s from the repository |
| 10:11.44 | bob2 | yeah, that's bizarre |
| 10:11.51 | SimonRaven | 404 == not found, i.e., not there. there is no trick since those files don't exist |
| 10:11.58 | tchino | can someone help me to configurate exim4,bevore i had exim 3.35 |
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| 10:12.17 | liable | zoghome: run update again, see if it works.. |
| 10:12.24 | DarkSith | hello peeps |
| 10:12.39 | Stereo | zoghome: if that doesn't work, try archive.org |
| 10:13.35 | zoghome | still 404, I might mess with proxy stuff, sometimes my ISPs "transparent" proxy screws things up |
| 10:13.43 | SimonRaven | ppc isn't the only arch i'm seeing this on either. this very machine has the same errors in syslog continuously |
| 10:13.58 | zoghome | liable: just did an update, still same Stereo : yeah then I will try archive.org |
| 10:14.43 | SimonRaven | the lack of response is what surprises me the most. you'd think that they'd at least look at it |
| 10:14.53 | SimonRaven | ...and reply |
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| 10:16.55 | DarkSith | this is the first time i installed debian and i am starting to love it :-) |
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| 10:17.53 | tcp | hi |
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| 10:21.19 | NewNi | hi all |
| 10:21.32 | NewNi | i would like to remove grub |
| 10:21.38 | NewNi | how can i do? |
| 10:21.48 | shingouz | apt-get remove grub |
| 10:21.53 | Angel-SL | hi, |
| 10:21.58 | liable | NewNi: didnt we tell you? |
| 10:22.09 | shingouz | NewNi: of course your system will be unbootable after that unless you install some other bootloader |
| 10:22.11 | NewNi | i have winME installed on my pc. Microsoft suggest me lilo -u/dev/hda |
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| 10:22.34 | shingouz | NewNi: does the thing dualboot with grub? |
| 10:22.41 | NewNi | thats why fdisk /mbr is best! |
| 10:22.43 | liable | NewNi: use the install disk, and run fixmbr.. |
| 10:23.13 | Angel-SL | how do i make the CUstom Application launcher do mutiple things? |
| 10:23.27 | Angel-SL | heres my line |
| 10:23.28 | Angel-SL | cd /home/angelsl/figlet222 && ./figlet |
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| 10:23.37 | Angel-SL | and |
| 10:23.45 | Angel-SL | make the terminal not close???/// |
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| 10:24.15 | NewNi | bye |
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| 10:24.30 | Angel-SL | OY |
| 10:24.34 | hound | Anders, the console closes after it executes figlet? |
| 10:24.43 | hound | oops |
| 10:24.48 | hound | Angel-SL, that was to you |
| 10:24.56 | Angel-SL | Yes? |
| 10:24.56 | desertfox65 | hello can anyone help me with IBM Thinkpad resolution setting, the refresh rate is wrongly set |
| 10:25.00 | SimonRaven | um, why don't you install figlet properly (apt-get install figlet; have contrib non-free in sources.list) |
| 10:25.20 | desertfox65 | i am a newbe |
| 10:25.23 | shingouz | !tell desertfox65 about drxx |
| 10:25.29 | shingouz | !tell desertfox65 about laptop |
| 10:25.35 | hound | I actually tried to install figlet just now and all I found were virtual packages |
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| 10:25.45 | hound | oh, contrib non-free, gotcha |
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| 10:26.14 | shingouz | desertfox65: first check out the links dokg told you about, thei stuff about laptop linux, maybe you get some pointers there. when you know what to do, dpkr-reconfigure the xserver and you should be done |
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| 10:26.26 | Angel-SL | put that in a new line??????? |
| 10:26.27 | Angel-SL | ?? |
| 10:27.19 | Angel-SL | SimonRaven, put that in a new LINE????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 10:27.31 | SimonRaven | Angel-SL: don't do that, please |
| 10:27.37 | SimonRaven | @tell Angel-SL -about ep |
| 10:27.46 | MizLinux | Morning, just I installed bind 9 and want to disable recrusive look ups: category "resolver" { "null"; }; |
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| 10:27.46 | MizLinux | Do i put that in named.conf or named.conf.options if so any specific location? |
| 10:27.55 | desertfox65 | the thinkdo i log in recovery mode?? |
| 10:28.14 | Angel-SL | SimonRaven, i dont get Anything. |
| 10:28.30 | SimonRaven | Angel-SL: you put ' contrib non-free' after 'main' in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:28.37 | SimonRaven | then update |
| 10:29.03 | DarkSith | ; |
| 10:29.09 | Angel-SL | SimonRaven, all???? |
| 10:29.23 | SimonRaven | only in the official debian ones |
| 10:29.33 | SimonRaven | ... fucking bot |
| 10:29.43 | Angel-SL | deb ftp://mirror.averse.net/debian/ stable main |
| 10:29.43 | Angel-SL | deb-src ftp://mirror.averse.net/debian/ stable main |
| 10:29.43 | Angel-SL | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 10:29.58 | SimonRaven | and don't paste here, either. |
| 10:30.06 | SimonRaven | @ep |
| 10:30.07 | ravenbird | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:30.11 | SimonRaven | @paster |
| 10:30.12 | ravenbird | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 10:30.17 | Angel-SL | in those? |
| 10:30.23 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 10:30.24 | desertfox65 | ok people thank you I will try it and come back... |
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| 10:31.11 | pink1 | I would be glad of some help with getting standby to work. |
| 10:31.24 | hound | MizLinux, I think there is a recursion no option you can use, I have in named.conf.options a section like allow-recursion { trusted }; where trusted is ip's I want to allow recursion to |
| 10:31.32 | pink1 | My laptop only goes to standby when the batteries are dead |
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| 10:33.52 | MizLinux | Hi hound thanks I'll try it out :) |
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| 10:34.21 | toetag | what was strange was that aptitude install drupal installed apache1, which seems to dominate the apache2 that was already there |
| 10:34.25 | ciga | is there a way to update PROMPT_COMMAND in a script? |
| 10:35.11 | toetag | The manual drupal install, without using the debian packages, is pretty straightforward, so I will continue to try that |
| 10:37.33 | toetag | lets try aptitude remove apache, and see if that gets me back to my previous apache2 setup |
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| 10:39.30 | pink1 | anyone know how to configure standby mode? |
| 10:39.36 | toetag | I guess I'll reboot it just to see how it stands |
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| 10:40.30 | CAiRO | i've added 'deb http://people.debian.org/~sgran/debian sarge main' to my sources.list to be able to install new clamav packages for sarge.. but when i do upgrade (after updating) it doesn't offer me to install the new clamav packages from the new source.. how can i do that? |
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| 10:40.50 | Masterkong | Please enter the video card's bus identifier. |
| 10:40.59 | CAiRO | 2 |
| 10:41.01 | Masterkong | where do i find this? |
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| 10:41.06 | CAiRO | hehe |
| 10:41.29 | Masterkong | i suppose there is a command or something for this? |
| 10:41.33 | shingouz | Masterkong: if you are running intel hardware with only one videocard, you do not need the ident, just hit enter |
| 10:41.42 | shingouz | Masterkong: lspci helps too.. |
| 10:41.44 | Masterkong | thanx |
| 10:41.48 | OleMoudi | I getting errors related to drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c when building my kernel. what kind of option corresponds on menuconfig to that driver? |
| 10:42.07 | hound | CAiRO, you sure there is an update clamav to be had? i think if you type apt-cache policy clamav it will show you versions available |
| 10:42.25 | Angel-SL | SimonRaven, bash: /usr/local/bin/figlet: No such file or directory |
| 10:42.29 | toetag | ok excellent my old apache2 is now back in action |
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| 10:43.23 | SimonRaven | it's not in /usr/local.... |
| 10:43.35 | CAiRO | hound: hmm, there it shows the newer version but the older one from security.debian.org seems to have a higher number |
| 10:43.48 | Angel-SL | SimonRaven, how do you change the registry then |
| 10:43.57 | DarkSith | i installed sarge on my laptop which has a both a wirelles(eth0) and a build in network card(eth1). i can browse the internet with eth1, but not with eth0. with eth0 i can only brwose my lan. what am i doing wrong? |
| 10:43.58 | grogger | someone know how to setup a limit for the cache memory of the disks in linus ? |
| 10:44.01 | SimonRaven | and look for 'which', 'whence', and similar commands |
| 10:44.07 | SimonRaven | Angel-SL: what registry? |
| 10:44.14 | Angel-SL | but |
| 10:44.21 | Angel-SL | i used the source to make figlet. |
| 10:44.25 | Angel-SL | i deleted it. |
| 10:44.37 | Angel-SL | but it still points there after i apt-get it! |
| 10:44.45 | SimonRaven | ok, you managed to confuse the fuck out of me |
| 10:44.56 | SimonRaven | so edit your script... |
| 10:45.09 | hound | CAiRO, well you could setup a priorities file that apt software will follow, or you could specify the version # like aptitude install clamav=0.84 or whatever it is |
| 10:45.11 | Angel-SL | WHAT script |
| 10:45.21 | xophEr | Hm, I have a problem with DMA, I cant get it enabled.. (Asus A8V-E Deluxe m/b, VIA VT8237 ide-controller) What should I do first? |
| 10:45.49 | SimonRaven | the command you pasted in here earlier, wasn't that part of a script? |
| 10:45.55 | CAiRO | hound: ah, thanks a lot, that's the trick clamav=version.i.want |
| 10:46.04 | Angel-SL | SimonRaven, no... |
| 10:46.16 | Angel-SL | custom app launcher |
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| 10:46.31 | SimonRaven | so edit whatever it was, then. sheesh, do i have to think for you too? |
| 10:46.31 | liable | wow, just read the udev bug again, getting to be quite a story :) |
| 10:47.18 | undesktop | is there any chance that this bug will be solved?: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320751 |
| 10:47.24 | undesktop | or will it be around for months? |
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| 10:47.35 | hound | anyone know a trick to taking a snapshot of your mouse pointer? mine got changed to some strange black triangle by something I did, hoping someone can tell me what it is from the photo |
| 10:47.37 | liable | undesktop: ask the maintainer :) |
| 10:47.49 | SimonRaven | no offense meant, but you need to be aware of what you're doing |
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| 10:48.19 | Angel-SL | Now WHAT?? |
| 10:48.28 | liable | hound: with a camera! :) |
| 10:48.36 | Angel-SL | i'm new to debian... |
| 10:48.44 | Angel-SL | AND I HAVE TO THINK MYSELF!!?!??!?!!? |
| 10:48.45 | hound | liable, hey good idea! |
| 10:48.53 | liable | hound: it must be in your desktop config menus somewhere.. |
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| 10:49.22 | grogger | someone how to manipulate vm.vfs_cache_pressure and vm.swappiness ? |
| 10:49.30 | Angel-SL | now SimonRaven is making my cry........L@ |
| 10:49.32 | Angel-SL | :@ |
| 10:49.53 | hound | liable, possibly, I'm running GNOME and I'm pretty confident it changed outside of any gnome settings. I've been playing with GNOME settings for a few days now and it doesn't have any effect on the size/shape/color of my mouse pointer. |
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| 10:50.24 | liable | hound: maybe try a gnome channel? irc.gnome.org :) |
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| 10:51.04 | hound | ok ok. |
| 10:51.18 | Angel-SL | AGRH! |
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| 10:51.40 | Angel-SL | BASH! |
| 10:51.41 | DarkSith | anyone can help with my wireless problem? |
| 10:51.50 | Angel-SL | !kickban SimonRaven die. |
| 10:51.59 | shingouz | DarkSith: not unless you tell us what the problem is |
| 10:52.06 | DarkSith | i installed sarge on my laptop which has a both a wirelles(eth0) and a build in network card(eth1). i can browse the internet with eth1, but not with eth0. with eth0 i can only brwose my lan. what am i doing wrong? |
| 10:52.14 | cn | if i upgrade some packages ,i can have some problem on someone after upgrade or not? |
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| 10:52.42 | shingouz | DarkSith: does your route have a gateway for eth0? |
| 10:53.10 | liable | DarkSith: try bringing down eth1, bringing up eth0, looks like a kernel routing problem.. |
| 10:53.12 | Angel-SL | Registry registryy registry........................ |
| 10:53.16 | DarkSith | yep |
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| 10:53.50 | DarkSith | well i can bring down eth1 but then i can only browse my lan. or should i reboot after i bring it down? |
| 10:54.05 | shingouz | DarkSith: no reboots are needed |
| 10:54.15 | DarkSith | oh okay |
| 10:54.36 | liable | DarkSith: then take down eth0, then bring it up. |
| 10:54.42 | DarkSith | or is there a firewall running with debian |
| 10:54.49 | liable | DarkSith: man route :) |
| 10:54.53 | DarkSith | :-) |
| 10:54.58 | shingouz | DarkSith: no unless you installed a firewall |
| 10:55.24 | DarkSith | i installed sarge last nite for the first time |
| 10:56.10 | DarkSith | and i just did the basic install with kde |
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| 10:56.59 | liable | DarkSith: do you get a ip from dhcp? |
| 10:57.03 | shingouz | DarkSith: ifdown eth0, then ifup eth0, see if it works |
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| 10:57.16 | liable | after taking down eth1.. |
| 10:57.21 | ggibson | how do i mount a usb flash drive? |
| 10:57.22 | DarkSith | yes i get a ip from my dhcp router |
| 10:57.37 | liable | DarkSith: ifdown both, then ifup eth0 |
| 10:57.37 | DarkSith | hold on i'll give it a shot |
| 10:57.49 | DarkSith | i'll try |
| 10:57.53 | jim_ | any chance the debian installer can consitently work on my vmware gsx server install? Any of the daily builds seem to crap out. |
| 10:58.15 | luite | does anyone here use mountlo with fuse? when I mount a filesystem it seems to work fine at first, but when I 'copy' a large directory tree with cp -al, the mountlo process stops responding after a while, making the filesystem is inaccesible |
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| 10:58.38 | max4ever | hi ppl i'm having a problem with my emu10k1 |
| 10:58.45 | luite | and I have no idea how I can get debug information from mountlo |
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| 10:58.58 | max4ever | i can hear the sound all ok, except that 3 speakers are dead (i have a 5.1 speakers) |
| 10:59.17 | shingouz | !tell ggibson about usb-storage |
| 10:59.20 | toetag | I added some AllowOverride's to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, then /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 10:59.35 | max4ever | i even tryed playing this ac3 test dvd i have and it failed :( |
| 11:00.02 | liable | max4ever: that should be covered on the alsa faqs/documentation. go there, they have lots of info about most cards.. |
| 11:00.27 | liable | especially sound blasters. |
| 11:00.38 | toetag | first it said Options not allowed here, now it says DirectoryIndex not allowed here... |
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| 11:02.31 | trc | Is it possible to run both 2.6.x and 2.4.x in a sarge machine? |
| 11:02.45 | faked | trc: yes |
| 11:02.49 | trc | without remving udev and company? |
| 11:03.16 | faked | trc: what is company? |
| 11:03.21 | trc | just apt-get install given kernel_image and thats it? |
| 11:03.40 | trc | dont know exactly, i imagine all that creates /proc/ |
| 11:03.59 | faked | trc: you have to modify your bootmanager |
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| 11:04.31 | trc | I am having some usb issues, and i think they are kernel related, since i have found them described in several places, such as |
| 11:04.35 | jim_ | While obviously I was poking fun when I asked about the installer, does anyone know why the daily build of the installer doesn't work under vmware, but the sarge release does work. I mean obviously you can respond with "it's a daily build, so it is not guaranteed to work..." and the like, but I was just curious what special case makes vmware be a pre-release sort of thing to deal with as opposed to just part of the general build with the inst |
| 11:04.35 | jim_ | aller. |
| 11:04.57 | ___p808 | cest lfunca |
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| 11:05.13 | trc | http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/13-rc3/kernel/irq/spurious.c and http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-May/msg05535.html |
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| 11:05.30 | olivier62770 | lu |
| 11:05.40 | basix | hey guys, can i ask off topic(hardware related) questions here? |
| 11:05.42 | trc | thanks, faked, i will try that now and see if my problems dissapear with 2.4.x |
| 11:05.43 | hound | hacker safe! scanned daily :) heh |
| 11:05.46 | hound | oops |
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| 11:06.42 | trc | faked: but what about alsa, since alsa is part of 2.6.x but not 2.4.x, and the respective /etc/fstab |
| 11:07.00 | toetag | apache2 is happy enough, now I've hit the "Warning: mysql_connect(): Access denied for user: 'username@localhost' (Using password: YES)" but I think I know what to do about that |
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| 11:08.15 | faked | trc: /etc/fstab is the same in 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 11:08.28 | faked | trc: I think alsa is availaible too in 2.4 |
| 11:08.53 | trc | the mounting points, /media/x would need to be adjusted (minimal work) |
| 11:09.01 | liable | jim_: maybe #debian-boot might know. |
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| 11:11.15 | liable | max4ever: have you run alsamixer? |
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| 11:17.11 | stormshadow | how do i setup my system's hostname, so I can ssh the domain name instead of the ip |
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| 11:18.17 | hound | stormshadow, just add the ip and hostname to the /etc/hosts file you are trying to ssh from |
| 11:19.00 | stormshadow | thanks hound i'll try that |
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| 11:23.51 | toetag | anyone here use plone or mambo or drupal? |
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| 11:24.28 | DarkSith | got my wirelless connection working |
| 11:24.49 | liable | !congratulate DarkSith |
| 11:24.50 | dpkg | Nice one DarkSith, you did it! |
| 11:24.55 | DarkSith | thanks for the suggestions |
| 11:24.56 | CrocoJet | does anyone use gforge-ftp-proftpd ? Is it front-end to proftpd ? |
| 11:25.25 | DarkSith | now i can experience the power of debian :-) |
| 11:25.27 | amorphix | toetag: ive used drupal before |
| 11:26.32 | toetag | did you like drupal? |
| 11:26.36 | toetag | did you use it on debian? |
| 11:26.50 | amorphix | yeah in some ways its very good CMS |
| 11:26.54 | amorphix | yes |
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| 11:27.37 | toetag | did you install with apt-get or aptitude, and it worked fine for you, if you remember? |
| 11:28.06 | amorphix | I think i installed from the tarball |
| 11:28.13 | amorphix | its been a while tho |
| 11:28.33 | amorphix | initially installed from apt and that went fine |
| 11:28.42 | amorphix | but i needed newer modules so i had to upgrade |
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| 11:29.08 | toetag | the drupal people say 4.6.2 is a quantum leap |
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| 11:29.21 | amorphix | i see |
| 11:29.44 | amorphix | i abandoned drupal about 5 months ago for Interchange |
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| 11:29.48 | toetag | I guess I finally jammed it into my sarge box, but the apt-get didn't help |
| 11:31.03 | toetag | opensourcecms dot com rates CMS's, but they neglect to mention, only php based. Interchange is not on thier list. |
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| 11:31.37 | toetag | you got a url for interchange? |
| 11:31.55 | amorphix | Interchange has a much steeper learning curve than most CMS's but i had already put in some of the work before using Drupal |
| 11:32.00 | amorphix | www.icdevgroup.org |
| 11:32.16 | amorphix | Interchange is only available in testing/unstable |
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| 11:33.13 | amorphix | if you want Perl and total flexibility and ecommerce functionality Interchange is a good choice |
| 11:33.40 | amorphix | if you want ease of use and Blog/user orientated features, Drupal might be better |
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| 11:34.41 | toetag | I'm with you on that, for me I just want the former, though I'd feel better about a cms that was perl or python based |
| 11:34.48 | Col_Kernel | I've several chroots on my system. Is there a way to share the apt cache among all of them (and the main installation)? Hard links on directories do not work and bind mounts are not visible inside the chroot. One solution I can think of is an extra partition for /var/cache/apt/archive (or in general, everything I want to share). Any other ideas? |
| 11:34.55 | toetag | I mean, I want ease of use and blog |
| 11:35.02 | dark^^ | Please could somebody help me configuring my soundblaster card ? I can t load the rights modules I got a wired error ...... |
| 11:35.04 | dark^^ | Using /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o |
| 11:35.04 | dark^^ | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o: unresolved symbol probe_sbmpu_Rddc8ad00 |
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| 11:35.45 | amorphix | toetag: you could easily adapt IC to a blog type site if you're handy with Perl |
| 11:36.24 | amorphix | but Drupal has off the shelf template themes and modules for a wide array of stuff like image galleries etc |
| 11:37.08 | toetag | I regret not being handy with Perl. I'm gonna go with drupal just to get my feet wet with CMS. |
| 11:37.18 | valdyn | Col_Kernel: mount --bind |
| 11:37.35 | toetag | Mambo seemed to have some rough edges and plone seemed too abstract and undocumented |
| 11:37.45 | Col_Kernel | valdyn: but bind mounts are not visible inside the chroot |
| 11:37.59 | toetag | I liked plone but it seems to lack modules. I really just want to plug and play. |
| 11:38.10 | valdyn | Col_Kernel: you dont see the mounts on df, but they do work. |
| 11:38.59 | valdyn | Col_Kernel: /home 53823964 33259852 20564112 62% /mnt/oldroot/home <- works just fine. |
| 11:39.00 | DarkSith | has anyone installed kde 3.4? |
| 11:39.05 | amorphix | toetag: Drupal is your ticket then, i think you will like it alot |
| 11:39.48 | Col_Kernel | valdyn: indeed, it works, thanks |
| 11:40.03 | toetag | Cheers mate. One question. What would I type to apt-get or aptitude drupal 4.6.2? |
| 11:40.18 | toetag | sarge is only 4.5.3 |
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| 11:40.35 | toetag | I tried some =4.6.2 and it said no dice |
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| 11:41.10 | toetag | actually I just installed it by hand but I wonder what I'm missing |
| 11:41.18 | valdyn | DarkSith: how did you try to load that module? |
| 11:41.25 | valdyn | dark^^: how did you try to load that module? |
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| 11:42.03 | initiate | how can i allow ftp connections ? |
| 11:42.24 | valdyn | initiate: by installing an ftp server. |
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| 11:42.27 | DarkSith | valdyn: which module? |
| 11:42.40 | initiate | valdyn, i installed proftpd already |
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| 11:42.43 | valdyn | DarkSith: nm, was directed at dark^^ |
| 11:42.57 | valdyn | initiate: then ftp connections are allowed. |
| 11:43.06 | initiate | :/ |
| 11:43.08 | valdyn | !show open ports |
| 11:43.20 | Pogopuschel- | Do you want to connect from your local lan or the internet? |
| 11:43.41 | DarkSith | does anyone use kde 3.4? |
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| 11:43.55 | dark^^ | what does Running update-modules... |
| 11:43.57 | dark^^ | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 11:43.57 | dark^^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.06 | zimnyx | i want to get rid of all kernel drivers (compiled in & modules) that i know i will never use. so far i was compiling a kernel on my own, from kernel.org sources. i wonder if wouldn;t it be better if i reconfigure debian kernel, how do you think? |
| 11:44.09 | dark^^ | valdyn, it was with modprobe |
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| 11:44.19 | initiate | well i`m trying to set up a ftp server for some friends but they say they get Permission denied when they try to connect |
| 11:44.37 | Pogopuschel- | initiate Internet or LAN? |
| 11:44.40 | initiate | Connection refused actually |
| 11:44.42 | zimnyx | initiate: can they telnet it |
| 11:44.47 | initiate | internet Pogopuschel- |
| 11:44.56 | AlexBO | Hello! I would like copy some folders from the letter B to the letter M, but i don't wanna rewrite all their name (over 20). How i can do? |
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| 11:45.00 | zimnyx | initiate: lsof -i -n | grep LISTEN |
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| 11:45.29 | zimnyx | AlexBO: write a perl script |
| 11:45.34 | initiate | that as root zimnyx ? |
| 11:45.40 | zimnyx | initiate: yep |
| 11:45.46 | AlexBO | zimnyx, i don't know perl |
| 11:45.51 | jjdm | alex6z, you have 20 folders named "B"? |
| 11:45.56 | amorphix | perl is great |
| 11:45.58 | initiate | k |
| 11:46.00 | initiate | thanks |
| 11:46.04 | amorphix | easy to learn |
| 11:46.04 | zimnyx | AlexBO: it's easy, learn it, maybe you know bash, do you? |
| 11:46.11 | jjdm | i ment AlexBO |
| 11:46.16 | liable | dark^^: um, did you install alsa-modules for the 2.4 kernel? |
| 11:46.27 | AlexBO | jimd, no, i have about 20 folders between B and M |
| 11:46.27 | dark^^ | yes |
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| 11:46.41 | dark^^ | installed them with apt-get |
| 11:46.42 | AlexBO | zimnyx, i know the bases of script programming |
| 11:46.53 | valdyn | dark^^: dpkg -l alsa-base |
| 11:47.06 | jjdm | Ah |
| 11:47.09 | zimnyx | AlexBO: try bash tutorial then, and write this script. |
| 11:47.44 | Xik0 | i'm runing Sarge and i download fluxbox with apt-get and i change to fluxbox but the words in the menu and in the bar are bigs and not much visible, any problem with fonts in fluxbox reported? |
| 11:47.44 | amorphix | i heard the software patent law has been rejected by EU? |
| 11:47.54 | dark^^ | valdyn, ii alsa-base 1.0.8-7 ALSA driver configuration files |
| 11:47.57 | amorphix | how will this affect things in EU |
| 11:47.57 | dark^^ | and this is all |
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| 11:49.56 | liable | dark^^: hmm, try running depmod -ae |
| 11:50.03 | stormshadow | i cant ssh my domain name over the internet |
| 11:50.23 | pirre | stormshadow: ...elaborate |
| 11:50.28 | amorphix | why? |
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| 11:50.38 | valdyn | dark^^: apt-get update && apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386, reboot. try again. |
| 11:50.56 | dark^^ | allright |
| 11:50.59 | amorphix | Xiko: change your settings in fluxbox |
| 11:51.03 | liable | or 2.6? |
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| 11:51.27 | stormshadow | pirre, I changed the /etc/hosts to the ip and domain name but I can't ssh the name |
| 11:52.04 | valdyn | stormshadow: why should /etc/hosts change anything "from the internet" ? |
| 11:52.07 | liable | stormshadow: you have a dyndns account? or proper domain name? |
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| 11:52.32 | pirre | stormshadow: and what happens when you try? |
| 11:52.47 | stormshadow | dyndns I don't have |
| 11:52.53 | valdyn | amorphix: it doesnt change anything, that's the whole point of rejecting a change. |
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| 11:53.50 | amorphix | valdyn: but might it not put off software developers and big investment into EU |
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| 11:54.15 | amorphix | from the industry heavy weights i mean |
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| 11:54.41 | max4ever | i have a problem, i have lots of apps with VERY small fonts like xmms, mplayer, ... i can't find a fix |
| 11:54.43 | dark^^ | valdyn, theses packages are already installed .... |
| 11:54.59 | liable | max4ever: did you fix the sound/ |
| 11:55.01 | liable | ? |
| 11:55.01 | stormshadow | pirre I get a connection timed out |
| 11:55.06 | max4ever | liable, no |
| 11:55.14 | valdyn | dark^^: i know, if nothing happened after apt-get upgdate either, still reboot and try again |
| 11:55.27 | liable | max4ever: you have run alsamixer? |
| 11:55.28 | pirre | stormshadow: tried pinging the ip? |
| 11:55.32 | valdyn | amorphix: software isnt developed where patent law suits, but where its produced well and cheap. |
| 11:55.55 | valdyn | amorphix: like india, ukraine, china ;) |
| 11:56.07 | max4ever | liable, yes, but i don't know what to change |
| 11:56.11 | dark^^ | valdyn, ok i m gonna try but do you understand this kind of error : depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 11:56.17 | dark^^ | ? |
| 11:56.24 | valdyn | dark^^: yes i do. |
| 11:56.46 | dark^^ | what does it mean ? |
| 11:56.47 | stormshadow | oh, It works |
| 11:56.50 | liable | max4ever: iirc, theres a second page, that you get with a F button.. (I think..) |
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| 11:56.58 | stormshadow | I can't ssh the ip |
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| 11:57.26 | valdyn | dark^^: im not going to give you an in depth explanation of linking mechanisms , just take it as 'module doesnt fit to running kernel' |
| 11:57.33 | amorphix | stormshadow did you configure sshd right so it allows connections? |
| 11:57.33 | pirre | stormshadow: then the ssh server may not be running |
| 11:57.52 | sideone | how do i add a testing/ branch for my packages and have it use the testing before looking for stable? |
| 11:58.13 | max4ever | liable, huh? what's iirc got to do with alsa? |
| 11:58.19 | dark^^ | valdyn, ok .... im gonna reboot |
| 11:58.20 | liable | !iirc |
| 11:58.20 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 11:58.39 | dark^^ | valdyn, does isapnp things got anything to do with it ? |
| 11:58.58 | valdyn | sideone: man 5 apt_preferences |
| 11:58.58 | stormshadow | amorphix no I didn't; If u didn't mind how do I do that |
| 11:59.06 | valdyn | dark^^: no. |
| 11:59.10 | max4ever | liable, nope |
| 11:59.19 | dark^^ | ok |
| 11:59.21 | liable | max4ever: ok. |
| 11:59.23 | dark^^ | see you later |
| 11:59.33 | sideone | thx |
| 12:00.04 | max4ever | liable, i looked at the "?" in alsamixer and there is no F there... |
| 12:00.23 | liable | max4ever: I meant a function key... :) |
| 12:01.35 | liable | max4ever: or.. I could be having a delusional moment, and making it all up :) |
| 12:02.29 | amorphix | stormshadow: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but it should it be setup to allow connnections already... are you sure its running? |
| 12:02.38 | max4ever | liable, i pressed F5=show all controls, but what should i change ? |
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| 12:03.38 | liable | max4ever: I dont know. I dont actually have one, I am just recalling from vague memories that I have read somewhere.. |
| 12:03.41 | stormshadow | amorphix, im connected to it now |
| 12:03.46 | stormshadow | using the ip |
| 12:04.13 | amorphix | ok |
| 12:04.26 | max4ever | liable, it doesn't helps :P, do u have any ideas why xmms/gmplayer/... have very small fonts ? |
| 12:04.48 | liable | max4ever: no, I am a fonts tard! :P |
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| 12:05.12 | basix | stormshadow: do you have many computers on the network? |
| 12:05.21 | drac | max4ever: Hrr, so problem is in GTK1 applications, try installing these 3 packages you get with "apt-cache search xfonts | grep trans" |
| 12:05.27 | drac | max4ever: plus restart X. |
| 12:05.31 | liable | max4ever: I dont fuck with fonts, I dont mind the default ones i have, the sizes should be adjustable in each app if you have too. |
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| 12:06.28 | max4ever | drac, liable, i don't mess with them too, but they are too small, i know how the fonts in xmms properties should be |
| 12:06.43 | a_arcane | How do i check if i have nfs support in my kernel? |
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| 12:06.53 | drac | max4ever: Yes, well that is a common / known problem and installing those font packages have helped.. like.. 30 people i'm aware of. |
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| 12:07.21 | darky | valdyn, it works now :) |
| 12:07.33 | newmanbe | .win 31 |
| 12:07.34 | amorphix | a_arcane try it |
| 12:07.36 | newmanbe | Oops. |
| 12:07.55 | darky | I cant tell why it couldnt open /dev/dsp for playing before, but thanks a lot |
| 12:08.03 | max4ever | drac, i get 4 fonts :P |
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| 12:08.18 | drac | max4ever: base, 75, 100 |
| 12:08.21 | a_arcane | amorphix, OK =) |
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| 12:08.34 | amorphix | a_arcane: if you dont, you can run nfs-user-server |
| 12:08.54 | a_arcane | amorphix, Im trying to avoid running user server,. |
| 12:08.59 | amorphix | ok |
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| 12:09.20 | amorphix | a_arcane: the latest kernel image does support nfs |
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| 12:10.55 | a_arcane | amorphix, I think it worked =). Thank you |
| 12:10.59 | max4ever | drac, wow that worked :) |
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| 12:11.22 | drac | max4ever: glad to hear ;) |
| 12:11.27 | mccbaka | hmm |
| 12:11.31 | mccbaka | 666 users in #debian |
| 12:11.45 | amorphix | a_arcane cool |
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| 12:14.28 | mazingaro | ho O've got a problem with a custom kernel based on 2.6.8, system clock is very slow... |
| 12:14.31 | max4ever | so anyone here got their 5.1 speakers to work apropriately ? |
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| 12:16.51 | liable | max4ever: whats the card? |
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| 12:18.40 | a_arcane | How do i check which nis server ypbind is connected to? |
| 12:20.06 | sideone | where si a list of testing mirrors? |
| 12:20.21 | sideone | i ran netselect-apt with testing and it didnt find any |
| 12:21.09 | shingouz | sideone: edit your sources.list to point to testing. and i think you should not do it unless you know what i am talking about |
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| 12:21.41 | max4ever | liable, audigy 2 |
| 12:22.02 | max4ever | i posted on the forum here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=1375 |
| 12:22.13 | sideone | shingouz: im just curious why netselect wouldnt add the testing/ tag |
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| 12:22.32 | shingouz | sideone: no idea why that does not happpen |
| 12:23.00 | JosephSpiros | Hmm, why is the default Python version 2.3 when 2.4 is available? Alternatively, when will the default become 2.4? :) |
| 12:23.02 | zimnyx | i need to enable hotplug for kernel, but can't find such option ;/ |
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| 12:23.08 | zimnyx | is there any? |
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| 12:24.03 | drac | zimnyx: It's enabled in all Debian 2.6 kernels. |
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| 12:24.22 | sideone | maybe i should look into backports. |
| 12:24.22 | sideone | thx |
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| 12:25.10 | miles | ho |
| 12:25.46 | zimnyx | drac: i compile kernel on my own |
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| 12:26.24 | drac | zimnyx: Maybe you shouldn't, if you are not even aware of Search -function in Menuconfig. ;) |
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| 12:26.55 | darky | valdyn, the problem is, the sound works only with root |
| 12:27.22 | drac | darky: adduser username audio (then logout and login back) |
| 12:27.36 | zimnyx | drac: i compiled kernel about 200 times, with / it will be easier, thanks:) |
| 12:28.23 | hippoonvodka | dude, just asking, im interested in modifying the debian by putting only the important programs, is it possible? |
| 12:28.26 | hippoonvodka | any help in that? |
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| 12:29.37 | amorphix | i gave up compiling kernels |
| 12:29.42 | amorphix | too many headaches |
| 12:29.47 | max4ever | what's a good utf8 font with antialias for mplayer ? |
| 12:29.49 | amorphix | stock kernel does me fine |
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| 12:30.08 | liable | max4ever: http://at.or.at/hans/misc/audigy+alsa.html |
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| 12:31.41 | max4ever | liable, 10x i'll look into it |
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| 12:35.29 | jan | when starting up in Sarge i get the msg "no response status (0x80) resetting drive" what does it mean? it's a cdrom drive |
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| 12:36.56 | amorphix | i have nfs'd my home dir and its working fine on 2 workstations, but not on my laptop...on my laptop if i try to play a video or mp3, nfs goes down |
| 12:37.01 | amorphix | anyone any ideas? |
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| 12:37.48 | shingouz | jan: bad cdrom? |
| 12:37.53 | amorphix | lots of errors, but nothing specific..just nfs not responding, or alot of garbage |
| 12:38.02 | jan | no it's working ok |
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| 12:38.20 | amorphix | could be a driver issue? |
| 12:38.43 | amorphix | some cdroms need special driver modules installed |
| 12:39.17 | shingouz | jan: ide-cd installed? |
| 12:39.17 | jan | amorphix, talking to me? |
| 12:39.24 | amorphix | jan yea |
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| 12:40.07 | jan | ok, don't know if ide-cd is installed |
| 12:40.20 | jan | how to check? |
| 12:40.27 | amorphix | apt-get install ide-cd? |
| 12:40.35 | xoz | amorphix: are you using nfs-kernel-server or user-server? |
| 12:40.36 | jan | ok, thank's |
| 12:40.49 | amorphix | thats not the package name dont think |
| 12:40.50 | shingouz | jan: lsmod |
| 12:41.09 | amorphix | xoz: nfs-kernel |
| 12:41.31 | liable | wtf, ide-cd is a module. |
| 12:41.34 | xoz | amorphix: and you have portmap running? what kernel version? |
| 12:41.51 | cahoot | liable: at least might be |
| 12:41.51 | jan | shingouz, i see it but used is zero |
| 12:41.54 | amorphix | i have portmap running and im running 2.6.11 |
| 12:43.00 | shingouz | jan: maybe you have some weird DMA setting on the cdrom then. perhaps hdparm would help. install hdparm and man it |
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| 12:43.07 | xoz | amorphix: and same kernel in other machs |
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| 12:43.33 | jan | ok, i' ll be back soon |
| 12:43.37 | liable | jan: does tha drive work at all? |
| 12:43.40 | amorphix | xoz: yeah |
| 12:43.46 | jan | liable, yes |
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| 12:44.08 | jan | after resetting it works ok |
| 12:44.20 | amorphix | xoz: it's strange becuz nfs works fine and plays vids on my workstations but on the laptop it starts and then freezes and mp3's also freeze, i see a network collision error on hub |
| 12:44.20 | jan | but first i got that msg |
| 12:44.37 | amorphix | xoz: then the nfs goes down completely on the laptop |
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| 12:44.45 | liable | jan: hmm, dunno if i'd worry about it.. |
| 12:44.51 | liable | !warnings |
| 12:44.51 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software throws warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informational output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 12:45.08 | jan | it only anois me |
| 12:45.24 | darky | drac, thx :) |
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| 12:46.14 | hound | jan, do you have a cdrom disk in the drive? |
| 12:46.28 | jan | no |
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| 12:47.33 | amorphix | nfs doesnt work on my laptop properly |
| 12:47.45 | amorphix | maybe i need be thinking to switch to shfs |
| 12:48.02 | hound | ah too bad. |
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| 12:48.04 | jan | Guys, thank's for the quick reply, great help, really!!!!!!!!! |
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| 12:48.09 | amorphix | seriously, im being held back from running mythtv |
| 12:48.13 | amorphix | by nfs |
| 12:48.17 | hound | jan, is it an old pc? |
| 12:48.36 | jan | no, 5 years PIII/900Mhz |
| 12:48.37 | cn | i 've installed new kernel but it go to kernel panic |
| 12:48.46 | cahoot | amorphix: streaming video in realtime via nfs? |
| 12:48.51 | cn | what can be? |
| 12:48.55 | amorphix | cahoot: yea |
| 12:49.04 | a_arcane | When typing ''ypcat passwd'' from a client I expect to get the map of passwd from my nis server. Instead it doesnt give any output at all. How can this be? Acording to ypwhich my client is using the nis server. When running make in /var/yp on my nis server i can see that it updates passwd. How can i find out what is wrong? |
| 12:49.08 | amorphix | cahoot: nfs can handle it fine on my workstations |
| 12:49.11 | cahoot | amorphix: doubt nfs can cope wth that |
| 12:49.11 | hound | it's probably just something your pc can't do, but it's in the startup scripts anyways to help the people it does work for |
| 12:49.12 | shingouz | cn: debian kernel? |
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| 12:49.17 | cn | shingouz, yes |
| 12:49.27 | hound | easiest to just turn a blind eye to the message if it finds a way to work regardless |
| 12:49.28 | cn | i've done .deb |
| 12:49.31 | shingouz | cn: and what is the reason for the panic? |
| 12:49.33 | cahoot | amorphix: ok - I stand corrected |
| 12:49.35 | amorphix | cahoot: could it be my workstations are just more capable of doing it and up to the job than laptop? |
| 12:49.43 | shingouz | cn: so you did a custom kernel then? |
| 12:49.53 | jan | ok, thank's |
| 12:50.00 | cn | shingouz, vfs doesnt mount root partition |
| 12:50.26 | shingouz | cn: is it really a debian kernel or did you configure and compile it yourself? |
| 12:50.45 | amorphix | i really dont understand why nfs can stream video to my workstations and not my laptop |
| 12:50.48 | cn | shingouz, apt-get install kernel source 2.6.8 |
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| 12:51.07 | stormshadow | do, I have to have a name sever to ssh my domain server? |
| 12:51.17 | shingouz | cn: kernel source.. nice. and then you make menuconfig and make-kpkg with it? |
| 12:51.18 | cn | i have done make menuconfig |
| 12:51.22 | cn | yes |
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| 12:51.32 | shingouz | cn: that is not a debian kernel, that is a custom kernel |
| 12:51.32 | chandoo | hi :) |
| 12:51.33 | liable | shingouz: can you ping it by hostname? |
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| 12:51.46 | shingouz | liable: ping what? |
| 12:51.46 | cn | hum ok |
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| 12:51.55 | liable | shingouz: sorry :) |
| 12:52.04 | chandoo | when i carry out installation with minimal installation , will debian also install any gui manager by default |
| 12:52.13 | chandoo | i am a new bee to debian |
| 12:52.15 | liable | stormshadow: can you ping it by hostname? |
| 12:52.29 | amorphix | chandoo: no |
| 12:52.35 | shingouz | cn: do you have everything you need to access the root partition statically? |
| 12:52.38 | cahoot | chandoo: it install what you tell it to |
| 12:52.46 | stormshadow | I'll try |
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| 12:52.55 | cesspit | hello everybody, i want to build gateway with billing system using debian (i have woody r1), couldn't you tell me please where i can find any documentation on this task? |
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| 12:53.07 | chandoo | cahoot: do i need to tell the servers from where it need to install |
| 12:53.08 | cn | shingouz, i have left by default the config of the kernel |
| 12:53.10 | amorphix | phew its so busy here |
| 12:53.11 | cn | and compiled |
| 12:53.18 | amorphix | how do you guys keen sane |
| 12:53.22 | stormshadow | liable: yes |
| 12:53.24 | luite | where should I look for recent information about the linux (2.6) VFS? |
| 12:53.25 | shingouz | cn: did you do initrd for it? |
| 12:53.26 | chandoo | or will it take server from net automatically? |
| 12:53.31 | cn | shingouz, no |
| 12:53.46 | zimnyx | to enable udev i need to add udev init script to /etc/rc.? ? |
| 12:53.55 | amorphix | ok time to get some werk done and i fink i will leave nfs prob for another week |
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| 12:54.05 | cn | only reboot after dpkg .deb |
| 12:54.09 | shingouz | cn: two ways to do this. apt-get install a debian kernel or reconfigure and recompile. if i were you, id go for the debian kernel |
| 12:54.18 | cahoot | chandoo: take it easy, read the instructions/questions carefully - all will be revealed |
| 12:54.30 | cn | and how i do for debian kernel? |
| 12:54.45 | liable | stormshadow: well, if your hostname is registered, theres no real reason why you shouldnt be able to ssh to it.. |
| 12:54.55 | shingouz | cn: search for kernel-image, ppick the correct one and install it |
| 12:54.59 | chandoo | i want to give a try for debian, |
| 12:55.10 | a_arcane | Anyone in here using nis that i may PM for some help? Im unable to locate what is wrong with my installation and could really need some help. Thank you! |
| 12:55.28 | cn | shingouz, by default is wrong to left configuration as is it? |
| 12:55.37 | shingouz | a_arcane: just ask on the channel. and do not even think about messaging me |
| 12:55.39 | cn | and recompile? |
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| 12:55.47 | chandoo | cahoot can you clarify my doubt, i dont have another pc to read documentation while installing , i also dont have printer to print the document :( |
| 12:55.56 | shingouz | cn: unless you know what you do you should not use custom kernels |
| 12:55.56 | a_arcane | shingouz, ive been asking. Seems as no one uses nis then. |
| 12:56.12 | cn | now how can clean all it shingouz |
| 12:56.24 | shingouz | cn: install a debian kernel |
| 12:56.36 | cn | ok and this that doesnt work? |
| 12:56.37 | cahoot | chandoo: the debian installer (sarge) isn't beutiful, but well thought out |
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| 12:56.46 | cn | how clean system ? |
| 12:57.20 | cahoot | chandoo: and funtional - have no fear - take your time - read and follow instructions |
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| 12:57.29 | _r00t- | hello |
| 12:57.29 | shingouz | cn: just install the debian kernel first and get the system uo. |
| 12:57.29 | x-Al1gma | hello _r00t- |
| 12:57.47 | _r00t- | Debian installer lockup on language selection |
| 12:57.55 | _r00t- | :/ |
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| 12:58.27 | mythtv | hey guys I just picked up a monitor (literally off the street) and X works its just not very clear, xf86cfg hangs, and I don't know any of the specs for xf86config - anyone got an idea? |
| 12:58.34 | zimnyx | when /etc/init.d/udev should be started? |
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| 12:59.44 | frotzel | Cheers. Anyone know of a command line ftp client that supports TLS/SSL? |
| 12:59.55 | shingouz | mythtv: first of all /msg dpkg xmd5, then /msg dpkg drxx and read them. google for the monitor specs, you may need horiz and vert syncs to set the thing up |
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| 13:00.11 | shingouz | mythtv: never ever use xf86cfg on debian |
| 13:00.33 | cahoot | mythtv: install and run hwinfo --monitor |
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| 13:01.38 | computerguy867 | has anyone used sync4j |
| 13:01.41 | computerguy867 | ? |
| 13:01.52 | shingouz | computerguy867: just ask, do not poll |
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| 13:02.25 | mythtv | cahoot: roger that |
| 13:02.38 | computerguy867 | i cant get the multisync evolution plugin and syncml plugin to work together. The syncml server is sync4j |
| 13:02.47 | asg | !roger that |
| 13:02.48 | dpkg | Bend over, that and take it like a man! |
| 13:02.50 | mythtv | cahoot: then what do i do? |
| 13:02.57 | cn | shingouz: for a debian kernel is necessary only apt-get install? |
| 13:03.06 | shingouz | cn: yes |
| 13:03.17 | cahoot | mythtv: follow the other advice given |
| 13:03.44 | shingouz | cn: what is your native language btw? |
| 13:03.56 | computerguy867 | it says conected to localhost(the server is running on the same machine) but it does nothing else |
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| 13:04.19 | cn | shingouz, it |
| 13:04.23 | shingouz | !wb abrotman |
| 13:04.24 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
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| 13:04.35 | computerguy867 | is there any other calendar program in linux that can communicate with sync4j |
| 13:04.40 | abrotman | shingouz: don't you ever sleep? |
| 13:04.51 | shingouz | cn: i think there is an italian channel too, #debian-it if i am not too much mistaken |
| 13:04.55 | abrotman | !it |
| 13:04.55 | dpkg | it has been said that italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 13:04.56 | shingouz | abrotman: no, should i |
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| 13:05.06 | cahoot | is there such thing as a native language? |
| 13:05.19 | cn | lol |
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| 13:05.35 | cn | too poor |
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| 13:06.23 | mythtv | when I run hwinfo --monitor it shows some output quickly but i can't read it, then it stops |
| 13:06.26 | shingouz | cn: it is not like your english is not intelligible or anything, i just thought i'd mention the channel incase you would like to use italian instead :) |
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| 13:06.38 | cn | shingouz, nono |
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| 13:06.41 | cn | :) |
| 13:06.43 | asg | mythtv: | pager |
| 13:06.45 | shingouz | mythtv: pipe it to less |
| 13:06.45 | pbender | how can i "refresh" deselect? i marked some packages for removal, but now i don't want to do this. |
| 13:06.46 | cahoot | mythtv: scroll up? |
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| 13:07.03 | cn | my english is very good |
| 13:07.04 | mythtv | cahoot: haha tried it :) ok ill just pipe it to less |
| 13:07.07 | cn | :P |
| 13:07.18 | shingouz | cn: a lot better than my italian :) |
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| 13:07.39 | cn | shingouz, your native language? |
| 13:07.42 | cn | instead? |
| 13:07.48 | shingouz | se |
| 13:07.55 | ekimus | hi i just tried to build a deb package with 'fakeroot apt-get -b source PACKAGE' but I only get udeb files. am i missing something? |
| 13:08.00 | cn | !se |
| 13:08.00 | dpkg | i guess se is Social Engineering |
| 13:08.04 | cn | :) |
| 13:08.18 | shingouz | cn: i think dpkg is confused now. swedish |
| 13:08.26 | cn | ok |
| 13:08.29 | abrotman | !sw |
| 13:08.29 | dpkg | troubled: you un-stats whore |
| 13:08.33 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:08.43 | shingouz | !sv |
| 13:08.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sv is ask me about subversion |
| 13:08.46 | cahoot | shingouz: actually the bot has a point |
| 13:08.59 | cn | shingouz, and what is your team goteborg? |
| 13:09.01 | cn | :) |
| 13:09.22 | shingouz | cahoot: a point about social engineering? |
| 13:09.27 | cahoot | yes |
| 13:09.33 | mythtv | hmm piping it to less or pager don't work, could i pipe it to an editor (my bash skills are a bit rusty hehe) |
| 13:09.34 | shingouz | cn: that is irrelevant :) |
| 13:09.36 | hound | I'm trying to use seahorse to encrypt a key, and it calls gpg in such a way that it tries to use file descriptor 5 which doesn't seem to exist in /proc/self/fd so it fails, do these get created automatically? |
| 13:09.50 | cn | nothing is irrelevant :P |
| 13:09.51 | cahoot | cn: you can tell he's not italian |
| 13:09.51 | shingouz | mythtv: pipe it to more then |
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| 13:10.30 | Arafangion | Is kmail broken on current Sid? |
| 13:10.44 | shingouz | Arafangion: bts |
| 13:10.52 | cahoot | mythtv: hwinfo --monitor > info.txt |
| 13:10.54 | Arafangion | Ok |
| 13:11.11 | shingouz | Arafangion: you really should know this stuff if you run Sid |
| 13:11.23 | Arafangion | shingouz: I was just curious. |
| 13:11.31 | shingouz | bts |
| 13:11.36 | Arafangion | shingouz: It looks like a libc incompatibility, but that's just my guess. |
| 13:11.43 | IRCMonkey | Hi everyone |
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| 13:12.04 | IRCMonkey | sorry for my noobness, however can anyone suggest the best order to install apache/postgresql/proftd? |
| 13:12.11 | shingouz | Arafangion: you may have a bug there, if it is not listed and you think it really is a bug, report it |
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| 13:12.39 | Arafangion | Indeed, it's a bug and it's reported. |
| 13:12.48 | shingouz | IRCMonkey: apt-get them into place, the system takes care of the install |
| 13:13.21 | shingouz | Arafangion: do you have apt-listbugs installed? |
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| 13:13.33 | Arafangion | shingouz: I might just install that now. |
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| 13:13.58 | mythtv | cahoot: ok that didn't work either the text files blank |
| 13:13.59 | shingouz | IRCMonkey: do not message people on freenode |
| 13:14.07 | mythtv | bizzare |
| 13:14.22 | Arafangion | IRCMonkey should already know that, he's no newb here. |
| 13:14.41 | Arafangion | Well, in debian he might be new. |
| 13:14.47 | IRCMonkey | what are you talking about? |
| 13:14.52 | mythtv | how do i change windows in irssi |
| 13:14.53 | Arafangion | IRCMonkey: Install them in any order, you'll still have to set them up individually. |
| 13:15.06 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.18 | Arafangion | mythtv: Or if it's 1-10, just alt+number will do. |
| 13:15.29 | IRCMonkey | FYI "IRCMOnkey is the defaul username for Chatzilla |
| 13:15.41 | IRCMonkey | this is the first time in ages that i've logged into IRC |
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| 13:15.53 | Fuwex | how do I restart samba gain? |
| 13:15.55 | mythtv | Arafangion: thanks |
| 13:16.00 | IRCMonkey | I just went with the default |
| 13:16.01 | shingouz | IRCMonkey: in that case you may want to /nick the nickofyourchoice |
| 13:16.03 | Arafangion | IRCMonkey: Ahh, so I have confused you with someone else. |
| 13:16.18 | Arafangion | shingouz: Without the space ;0 |
| 13:16.19 | Arafangion | ;) |
| 13:16.31 | shingouz | Arafangion: whatever :p |
| 13:16.32 | Arafangion | IRCMonkey: I never recommend using a default nick. |
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| 13:17.12 | stroga | I'm confused with the FHS a bit: What is the ideal location to place chroots according to it? |
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| 13:17.38 | shingouz | IRCMonkey: the reason is that you are not IRCMonkey, you are someone else. if there is another IRCMonkey who happens to be an asshole, you get all the flames |
| 13:17.42 | hound | who uses chroot's? wouldn't you be better off using vserver's? |
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| 13:18.48 | stroga | hound: I'm not yet using vservers |
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| 13:19.06 | redge- | hey, how is that i'm getting a permission denied when trying to /etc/fstab using root ? |
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| 13:19.31 | jose | hi |
| 13:19.31 | shingouz | redge-: what are you trying to do with fstab? |
| 13:19.32 | hound | redge-, /etc/fstab is just a text file, you have vi it |
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| 13:19.55 | redge- | ah, right |
| 13:20.13 | shingouz | redge-: it is a config file... not an executable |
| 13:20.18 | redge- | thx, went out of my mind |
| 13:20.34 | redge- | i should get coffee first |
| 13:20.46 | shingouz | maybe i should start singing about sunday |
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| 13:21.23 | hound | stroga, yea not sure about FHS, I browsed the standard but doesn't seem to cover jails |
| 13:21.36 | hound | stroga, I bet it usually ends up where there is space for it, I use /home |
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| 13:22.15 | redge- | i'm having hard times trying to open up a floppy disk |
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| 13:22.32 | stroga | hound: that's why I was asking. /opt might be the correct place IMHO |
| 13:22.34 | lildude | were can i get impoved net install cd for sarge |
| 13:22.40 | beginner | hi |
| 13:22.45 | LSorense_ | lildude: improved? |
| 13:22.48 | lildude | hello |
| 13:22.48 | x-Al1gma | hello lildude |
| 13:22.51 | shingouz | redge-: use a bigger hammer? what are you trying to do and what errors do you get? |
| 13:23.03 | lildude | they one with new installer |
| 13:23.11 | beginner | i'm new with linux. i've just intalled debian but i have a couple of question |
| 13:23.27 | LSorense_ | lildude: sarge is sarge and it isn't changing. some people have unofficial sarge instalelrs with newer kernels, but the same installer |
| 13:23.29 | shingouz | x-Al1gma. lildude: the channel would be seriously flooded if everyone said hi to eachother |
| 13:23.29 | lildude | beginner did you do net install? |
| 13:23.48 | beginner | 1st: how can i launch something similar to xwindows? |
| 13:23.50 | shingouz | !tell beginner about ask |
| 13:23.54 | beginner | no CD minimal install |
| 13:24.14 | lildude | they revised the instller |
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| 13:24.29 | redge- | shingouz, i added my user to the floppy grp, then using gnome i try mounting the floppy drive. i get an error about couldn't determine the filetype system |
| 13:24.55 | beginner | i used a couple of time unix system, but if i type "ls" nothing happens...what kind of shell is that? how can i operate? |
| 13:24.57 | stroga | hound: do you have some information on ressource usages for vservers ? |
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| 13:25.14 | shingouz | redge-: try it from a terminal first. man mount |
| 13:25.22 | LSorense_ | beginner: maybe there are no non hidded files in the current dir. try ls -a or ls / or something |
| 13:25.29 | shingouz | and i will go raid the refrig before i start nibbling on the keyboard |
| 13:25.49 | beginner | ls is "command unknown"... |
| 13:26.10 | beginner | i'm on winzoz now, i can't try |
| 13:26.17 | hound | stroga, I usually find http://deb.riseup.net/ has some good instructions on setting up various servers inside of vservers |
| 13:26.40 | stroga | thnx hound |
| 13:27.04 | hound | also the vserver website has a nice list of programs that work, and some basic instructions. I keep a small text file with the commands I usually use to setup a debian sarge vserver, forget where I found it |
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| 13:27.38 | beginner | sure i'll buy a good book to learn, but today is sunday! |
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| 13:28.21 | stroga | hmm not yet in the official kernel ? |
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| 13:28.43 | hound | stroga, http://pastebin.com/336597 (my vserver is named bind, so you'd obviously replace that with something else) |
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| 13:29.14 | hound | stroga, should be |
| 13:29.30 | hound | oh maybe not. wonder where I got it from |
| 13:29.31 | lildude | do u neeeds alll cds for install of sarge or only a few |
| 13:29.39 | dvs | lildude: First few |
| 13:29.49 | stroga | I guess I can figure it out, hound |
| 13:29.52 | hound | k |
| 13:30.15 | hound | i did have to rebuild my kernel |
| 13:30.17 | beginner | my 2nd question is how can i configure grub to have windows boot default |
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| 13:30.31 | stroga | I don't care about rebuilding my kernel since that is what I always do |
| 13:30.36 | stroga | with grsecurity, etc patches |
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| 13:31.16 | stroga | I doubt I have enough ressources on that amd 700 for vservers though :-/ |
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| 13:31.52 | hound | 700mhz, I don't see why that wouldn't be enough, sounds like plenty to me |
| 13:32.10 | Loix | how i can config my X11 ? |
| 13:32.13 | stroga | 700 mhz, 256 mb ram, 2 gb hdd... |
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| 13:32.25 | hound | wow! 2gb |
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| 13:32.41 | E-bola | After having sarge went stable, and i changed my apt, it apears my debian box has some sort of network timing issue, in ssh i timeout after about 1 minuted, when downloading form the ftp ont he box, i can download 1 file and then imedialty after looses the connection |
| 13:32.44 | stroga | good old hdd ;) |
| 13:32.45 | hound | I was running 5 vservers with 256mb ram but on a 2.7ghz. |
| 13:33.06 | stroga | heh |
| 13:33.12 | E-bola | i suspect it lets me finnish an file download form ftp, cuz it uses passive mdoe, so the server sort of sends me the file |
| 13:33.22 | hound | plus regular desktop stuff. I don't think there's "that" much overhead. |
| 13:33.32 | lildude | like sven? |
| 13:33.43 | stroga | well i have to do some stress tests since this will be a new production machine |
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| 13:33.59 | abrotman | E-bola: firewall ? |
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| 13:34.34 | E-bola | abrotman: i run a normal nat firewall script true gshield, but i havent changed anything in it |
| 13:34.37 | redge- | i'm trying to mount in terminal using the params to specify the filesystem, seem like i need to be root for that? |
| 13:34.45 | stroga | the URL looks fine hound. worth a study at least ;) |
| 13:34.46 | abrotman | wtf is gshield ? |
| 13:34.52 | redge- | or did i got lost somewhere? |
| 13:34.59 | E-bola | an iptables sort of frontend |
| 13:35.00 | stroga | abauer: some iptables wrapper script probably |
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| 13:35.08 | stroga | abrotman* I meant |
| 13:35.15 | abrotman | abauer: some days .. i feel for you :) |
| 13:35.15 | Wyzard | redge-: Yes, you need to be root to mount things unless they're listed in /etc/fstab with the "user" or "users" option |
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| 13:35.43 | E-bola | what i dont understand is that none of my logs contains anything related to this |
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| 13:35.52 | abrotman | E-bola: card/driver ? |
| 13:35.53 | E-bola | the ssh logins stay idle on the box after i timeout |
| 13:35.59 | jair | hello guys |
| 13:36.03 | Wyzard | redge-: pmount can make an exception to that in some cases |
| 13:36.04 | E-bola | abrtoman: if it was the nic wouldnt i be seeing errors/timeouts? |
| 13:36.05 | jair | how are you doing today? |
| 13:36.14 | max4ever | umm how do i install alsa 1.0.9? |
| 13:36.17 | abrotman | E-bola: not if the driver is crapping out? |
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| 13:36.23 | abrotman | !hello jair |
| 13:36.27 | redge- | dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 13:36.28 | abrotman | dpkg: you lose |
| 13:36.33 | dvs | ha! |
| 13:36.33 | redge- | this is my line for floppy |
| 13:36.46 | jair | abrotman how are you? |
| 13:36.47 | E-bola | abrtoman: if it was a serious issue like that |
| 13:36.48 | Wyzard | redge-: Then "mount /media/floppy0" is all you need |
| 13:36.54 | E-bola | the clients behind the firewall would have problems too |
| 13:36.57 | E-bola | but they work flawlessly |
| 13:37.05 | E-bola | its only when u use services on the debian box it self |
| 13:37.09 | abrotman | E-bola: did you also upgrade the kernel? |
| 13:37.09 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:37.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:37.10 | redge- | it says it didn't receonize the filesystem |
| 13:37.12 | E-bola | the nat'd clients behind it work fine |
| 13:37.18 | redge- | then wont open |
| 13:37.26 | abrotman | E-bola: uname -a |
| 13:37.31 | E-bola | yes i believe i did |
| 13:37.35 | jair | abrotman how could I call those distributions on Linux like sme server that have different servers pre-configured already? |
| 13:37.36 | E-bola | Linux SolidMotion 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:37.41 | Wyzard | redge-: Sounds like the floppy doesn't contain a valid filesystem |
| 13:37.54 | jair | abrotman do you know what is "contribs.org sme server"? |
| 13:37.55 | abrotman | E-bola: and it's a PPro/PII/PIII/PIV ? |
| 13:38.02 | E-bola | Abrtoman: amd athlon |
| 13:38.03 | abrotman | jair: nope |
| 13:38.06 | Wyzard | redge-: Run "file -s /dev/fd0" |
| 13:38.08 | jair | hmmm |
| 13:38.11 | abrotman | E-bola: that kernel is for Intel chips ... |
| 13:38.17 | abrotman | E-bola: try a -k7 kernel :) |
| 13:38.23 | E-bola | abrtoman i thought athlons could use 686 too? |
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| 13:38.42 | abrotman | E-bola: i'm not 100% certain what the differences are .. but on a firewall .. not something i'd want to chance :) |
| 13:38.52 | max4ever | i'm runing sid stable, but how can i install just 1 unstable package ? (alsa 1.0.9 ) |
| 13:38.54 | redge- | Wyzard, /dev/fd0: writable, no read permission |
| 13:38.57 | E-bola | hmm i wonder if this coudl be the cause of some stability issues ive had too |
| 13:39.02 | abrotman | E-bola: i'm not sure how gcc optimizes for the two different targets |
| 13:39.02 | redge- | hm |
| 13:39.11 | jair | abrotman it is basic a distribution base on red hat (old I know) that at the moment of install it have apache, qmail, snort, squidguard, and samba configure as a PDC |
| 13:39.21 | max4ever | *sarge |
| 13:39.24 | abrotman | E-bola: yes .. ideally the k7 would have no issues .. but i can't be 100% certain |
| 13:39.28 | E-bola | the problem is i can hardly manage to install a new kernel before it kicks me |
| 13:39.29 | Wyzard | redge-: as root |
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| 13:39.32 | E-bola | ok |
| 13:39.33 | redge- | k |
| 13:39.34 | E-bola | cant hurt to try |
| 13:39.42 | vchrizz | hiho |
| 13:39.45 | abrotman | E-bola: and iptables is .. certainly kernel related .. as are the drivers |
| 13:39.47 | jair | abrotman I am just looking for a good word for this server distributions |
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| 13:40.07 | jair | abrotman because I am trying to put together a resume |
| 13:40.22 | abrotman | jair: for what server distribution ? |
| 13:40.26 | jair | and I has been working with those distributions |
| 13:40.32 | redge- | Wyzard, sectors/FAT 9 ? |
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| 13:40.40 | vchrizz | i asked already about mail addresses on mailinglists from debian ... what do you say about http://address-protector.com/ ? |
| 13:40.44 | jair | abrotman "contribs.org SME server" |
| 13:40.49 | abrotman | jair: i know what RH is .. wtf is contribs.org SME ? |
| 13:40.57 | war- | is there a way to install everything (all debian packages) or if not, groups of packages (all X11, etc)? |
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| 13:41.06 | lildude | 7 sarge down laod hope that is good idea |
| 13:41.15 | appolito | hi, i am installing debian on my box and want the testing tree, should i change the word stable to testing on security updates line in sources.list file? |
| 13:41.23 | E-bola | abrtoman: trying to reboot to the old kernel |
| 13:41.26 | Wyzard | redge-: If it says it's a FAT filesystem then mounting it shouldn't fail |
| 13:41.28 | E-bola | i see the old one was indeed 386 |
| 13:41.34 | E-bola | so im crossing my fingers hoping ur right :) |
| 13:41.35 | dvs | appolito: testing doesn't have security |
| 13:41.41 | Wyzard | redge-: Unless you're running a custom kernel and forgot to include the FAT drivers |
| 13:41.57 | redge- | Wyzard, lets find out |
| 13:42.04 | appolito | dvs: so can i leave stable there? |
| 13:42.10 | redge- | hm, no custom kernel |
| 13:42.10 | abrotman | jair: is the contribs.org rpm or dpkg based ? |
| 13:42.14 | dvs | appolito: I'd comment it out |
| 13:42.18 | redge- | i'm a newbie |
| 13:42.20 | abrotman | jair: and is it on an embedded box ? |
| 13:42.33 | abrotman | E-bola: you gotta hit my nick .. or i might not see it :) |
| 13:42.57 | debbieIan | hi all |
| 13:43.00 | E-bola | trying too :) |
| 13:43.06 | debbieIan | can anyone tell me how I know which apache2 to install? |
| 13:43.06 | appolito | -eave |
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| 13:43.10 | E-bola | sux to use a psybnc with multiple netork sthen u cant really use nick completion :) |
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| 13:43.38 | dvs | debbieIan: If you don't know , use the prefork version |
| 13:44.04 | lildude | open 7 cds work for basic install |
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| 13:44.09 | Wyzard | redge-: Dunno then... try a different floppy |
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| 13:44.32 | redge- | some disk works some don'T |
| 13:44.45 | redge- | thx for your help |
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| 13:45.12 | abrotman | jair: contribs.org is also RH based |
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| 13:47.41 | abrotman | wtf is delv ? |
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| 13:47.54 | dvs | delavare? |
| 13:47.59 | dvs | ;-) |
| 13:48.02 | abrotman | delaware valley ? |
| 13:48.10 | jair | abrotman yes it is rpm base I think |
| 13:48.22 | abrotman | jair: no .. i'm telling you it is |
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| 13:48.26 | jair | abrotman sorry I was kind of busy in the phone |
| 13:48.34 | jair | RH base |
| 13:48.53 | jair | abrotman ohh ok so I can put that then |
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| 13:49.03 | abrotman | jair: put it down as contribs.org SME Server(RH-based) |
| 13:49.05 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 13:49.08 | Arafangion | People still use floppies? :( |
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| 13:49.16 | jair | abrotman nice |
| 13:49.22 | abrotman | Arafangion: i do installs with them .. alphas are finicky about cds sometimes :) |
| 13:49.22 | jair | abrotman not a problem |
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| 13:49.39 | Arafangion | abrotman: That is just about the only reasonable exception :) |
| 13:49.54 | abrotman | Arafangion: i also have old boxen with only scsi cards .. and the external CD is busted :) |
| 13:50.07 | jair | abrotman I am looking for a script that make the usb drives funtion as a hotplug |
| 13:50.13 | abrotman | Arafangion: but i think i only have one of those left .. i think the rest of the damn things expired |
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| 13:50.23 | abrotman | !hotplug |
| 13:50.23 | dpkg | methinks hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover |
| 13:50.25 | Loix | how i can config my X11 ? |
| 13:50.26 | Loix | how i can config my X11 ? |
| 13:50.30 | abrotman | !drxx Loix |
| 13:50.32 | dvs | !drxx Loix |
| 13:50.32 | dpkg | Loix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 13:50.36 | abrotman | !tell Loix about repeat |
| 13:50.43 | Arafangion | abrotman: In one of my jobs as a kid, I had to migrate about 1000 floppies (Yes, labbeled from 1 to some huge number) to the server. |
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| 13:50.48 | Arafangion | abrotman: Since then I've hated floppies. |
| 13:51.05 | abrotman | Arafangion: well .. hopefully they weren't 5 1/4 :) |
| 13:51.07 | jair | abrotman I mean that when you insert the usb or the external hd the icon will appear in the desktop of KDE |
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| 13:51.18 | abrotman | Arafangion: and you know .. they make networks for that kind of thing :) |
| 13:51.29 | codemarauder | hello channel |
| 13:51.35 | JazHambo | Hope this is an okay place to ask this: Is there a way that I can tell which repository a package is comming from? |
| 13:51.35 | jair | abrotman and when you take it out it umount automatic |
| 13:51.39 | abrotman | jair: you could ask #debian-kde ... but i suspect you want the hotplug site |
| 13:51.46 | abrotman | JazHambo: not really |
| 13:51.47 | Arafangion | abrotman: When we got the network I had to do the migrating... |
| 13:51.59 | E-bola | Can anybody tell me where i can read up on how to upgrade a kernel image? |
| 13:52.00 | jair | abrotman hotplug site? |
| 13:52.04 | abrotman | !hotplug |
| 13:52.04 | dpkg | somebody said hotplug was a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover |
| 13:52.04 | Wyzard | JazHambo: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 13:52.06 | E-bola | i need to add some parameters and i forgot how |
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| 13:52.13 | abrotman | E-bola: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 13:52.14 | Arafangion | abrotman: One box of disks had an actual ants nest! Unbelievable. |
| 13:52.16 | JazHambo | Wyzard: thanks |
| 13:52.20 | E-bola | abrtoman: yep thats done |
| 13:52.27 | E-bola | i need to remember how to edit the grub stuff |
| 13:52.35 | E-bola | i cant just edit menu.1st directly can i? |
| 13:52.39 | abrotman | Arafangion: one day at uni .. i spent all day with an electomagnet and a cart full of tapes :) .. reel tapes |
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| 13:52.45 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 13:52.45 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
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| 13:52.55 | jair | abrotman you mean http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:53.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:53.15 | jair | abrotman ok perfect I will check that |
| 13:53.21 | abrotman | E-bola: update-grub ? |
| 13:53.26 | mtnman | abrotman: i still have a couple of ibm reels. i got rid of all my punchcards from hs and college |
| 13:53.31 | abrotman | E-bola: and yes .. you can edit directly .. then run the grub installer thingie |
| 13:53.40 | abrotman | mtnman: you should send them to toresbe :) |
| 13:53.41 | E-bola | no mroe steps involved? |
| 13:53.47 | abrotman | not usually |
| 13:54.03 | mtnman | abrotman: i doubt he's interested in my email and programming assignments from college. |
| 13:54.17 | abrotman | mtnman: you'd be surprised .. he creams his pants when you mention pdp-* :) |
| 13:54.37 | mtnman | abrotman: well i wouldn't want to do anything to cause that. |
| 13:54.40 | abrotman | mtnman: he is very much into old antiquated hardware |
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| 13:54.53 | mtnman | abrotman: he'd probably like my vt100 |
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| 13:55.15 | abrotman | mtnman: probably .. he's always looking for places to get old hardware |
| 13:55.32 | mtnman | i rescued it from the dumpster at the local community college. |
| 13:55.36 | abrotman | mtnman: the older the better ... |
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| 13:56.00 | abrotman | mtnman: is it a newer vt100 term? |
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| 13:56.25 | mtnman | it seems to be of about 1980 vintage. |
| 13:56.29 | abrotman | mtnman: and i mean . like less than 20 :) |
| 13:56.38 | Hannah | hello? |
| 13:56.46 | Barbarian | if someone interested to make a linux team prv me |
| 13:56.51 | abrotman | mtnman: i loved our little Wyse one we had at uni .. first attached to AIX .. then Solaris .. it was fun |
| 13:56.51 | mtnman | abrotman: i used similar terminals in the 80's |
| 13:56.57 | abrotman | Hannah: hello? |
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| 13:57.04 | abrotman | a linux team ? |
| 13:57.18 | mtnman | abrotman: i used it as a serial console for an old (since retired) firewall. |
| 13:57.34 | abrotman | mtnman: the first time i used a term .. i was at camp at UND ... |
| 13:57.44 | Barbarian | yes |
| 13:57.47 | Barbarian | a linux team |
| 13:57.52 | abrotman | mtnman: eep .. that was 15 or so years ago .. yeesh |
| 13:58.07 | mtnman | abrotman: well, the terminal was a huge step forward from submitting punchcards to the operator. |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | mtnman: i've a feeling i'm a bit younger than you :) |
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| 13:58.21 | mtnman | abrotman: i have no doubt of that. |
| 13:58.21 | abrotman | Barbarian: you're being vague |
| 13:58.33 | abrotman | mtnman: but damn it .. i did learn RPG :) |
| 13:58.58 | mtnman | abrotman: i have never used that. |
| 13:59.02 | Hannah | (I have problems with debian...and I don't know anything about computers, and my computernerdfriend has left the country! The website told me to come here?) |
| 13:59.09 | abrotman | mtnman: it was better than Cobol IMO |
| 13:59.20 | mtnman | never used cobol either. |
| 13:59.22 | abrotman | Hannah: start with the problem |
| 13:59.31 | abrotman | mtnman: what .. you only do asm? :) |
| 13:59.35 | abrotman | Barbarian: don't /msg me |
| 13:59.39 | Barbarian | nvm |
| 13:59.48 | Hannah | well, actually I just want to remove debian |
| 13:59.49 | abrotman | Barbarian: i have no idea what a linux team is .. please elaborate |
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| 13:59.51 | Hannah | and go back to windows |
| 13:59.54 | Hannah | I know it's stupid |
| 13:59.58 | Hannah | but I really can't work with it |
| 14:00.06 | mtnman | hannah: you are in the wrong channel for help with that. |
| 14:00.16 | abrotman | Hannah: if you put the windows CD in .. it doesn't boot ? |
| 14:00.25 | Hannah | and I had to call my friend every time I wanted to do something more than use the internet or something |
| 14:00.30 | Hannah | no, it doesn't do anything |
| 14:00.35 | priest | Hannah, http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;247804 |
| 14:00.44 | DarkSith | Hannah what do you use your computer for? |
| 14:00.52 | mtnman | abrotman: if you want to help her with that, i suggest using /msg or a different channel. |
| 14:00.54 | abrotman | i htink Hannah's friend 'fixed' the bios |
| 14:01.02 | abrotman | mtnman: no . i'm pretty much done :) |
| 14:01.09 | Hannah | normally only internet and making texts |
| 14:01.12 | abrotman | mtnman: if the CD doesn't boot .. that's more than i want to be involved :) |
| 14:01.21 | Hannah | as I said, I don't know ANYTHING about computers :) |
| 14:01.30 | Hannah | but thank you |
| 14:01.39 | mtnman | hannah: look into changing your bios to boot of of cd. |
| 14:01.46 | abrotman | is there another channel hannah can try? |
| 14:01.53 | abrotman | i'm sure ##linux won't help .. |
| 14:01.55 | DarkSith | Hannah well you can do all of that with linux, maybe you should be a little more patient |
| 14:02.00 | abrotman | Hannah: there's nothing we can do to help you with Debian ? |
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| 14:02.49 | Hannah | no, sorry, I don't think so... |
| 14:02.53 | mythtv | hey guys is there a meta-package for the apps i need to build stuff from source |
| 14:02.59 | Hannah | but when I have more time I want to learn more about it |
| 14:03.05 | Hannah | and get back to debian or something |
| 14:03.07 | mtnman | mythtv: build-essential |
| 14:04.09 | abrotman | Hannah: your friend won't be very happy :) |
| 14:04.26 | mtnman | abrotman: it seems he left hannah rather unhappy |
| 14:04.33 | Hannah | haha, no, I don't think so either |
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| 14:04.38 | Hannah | but he'll live |
| 14:05.05 | DarkSith | Hannah: what kind of text do you write and what application do you use in windows for that? |
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| 14:05.15 | abrotman | how is it that out of 2500 channels .. there isn't a general computer help one ? |
| 14:05.46 | MacNorth | abrotman: is there a directory some place? |
| 14:05.47 | abrotman | holy fuck .. could there be more gentoo* channels? |
| 14:05.56 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 14:05.59 | abrotman | MacNorth: /list |
| 14:06.01 | DoppelGanger | unfortunately there could |
| 14:06.05 | mtnman | abrotman: feel free to create a new channel if none exists for your topic of choice. |
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| 14:06.11 | Hannah | well I'm in university and I have to write a lot of papers and all that |
| 14:06.20 | Hannah | but next year I have something really big coming up |
| 14:06.24 | abrotman | mtnman: oh right .. like i would need another channel :) |
| 14:06.28 | Hannah | I don't know what it's called in English |
| 14:06.34 | DoppelGanger | sex |
| 14:06.37 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 14:06.38 | abrotman | DoppelGanger: not nice |
| 14:06.44 | Hannah | and I think it'd be better if I were able to actually WORK with my computer :) |
| 14:06.48 | abrotman | Hannah: a masters or PhD ? |
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| 14:06.58 | mtnman | hannah: which application do you use for writing? |
| 14:07.02 | priest | Hannah, and openoffice isn't enough to write? |
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| 14:07.16 | Hannah | yes, openoffice is great! |
| 14:07.20 | Hannah | even I could understand that |
| 14:07.25 | Hannah | but I'll need other software |
| 14:07.34 | abrotman | like? |
| 14:07.35 | mtnman | hannah: how about for browsing? |
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| 14:07.49 | mythtv | hey guys, is there a packaged version of clearlooks for debain |
| 14:07.57 | priest | Hannah, what kind of other software? |
| 14:07.57 | Hannah | I don't really know yet, but things for archives I think |
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| 14:08.09 | mtnman | mythtv: man apt-cache (check out "search" option) |
| 14:08.09 | abrotman | !find clearlooks |
| 14:08.14 | Hannah | and I don't even know how to install software on debian |
| 14:08.23 | abrotman | what a bad friend |
| 14:08.29 | Hannah | haha no he's alright |
| 14:08.32 | mtnman | hannah: i suspect your friend did not leave you the root password. |
| 14:08.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'clearlooks' (1): (/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/{libclearlooks.la|libclearlooks.so}) in gnome/gtk2-engines-clearlooks. |
| 14:08.34 | Hannah | but not always in the right mood to help me |
| 14:08.40 | Hannah | yes, I do have the root password |
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| 14:08.49 | abrotman | mythtv: seems so |
| 14:08.52 | sideone | hey all. |
| 14:09.00 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, I really hope you have not been on ALL night ;-) |
| 14:09.10 | mtnman | hannah: if you have the root passwd, then installing new software is trivial. |
| 14:09.11 | abrotman | gentgeen__: oh please .. you were here when i left |
| 14:09.13 | mythtv | abrotman: already installed? |
| 14:09.16 | DarkSith | well it's a pity that he installed a very good os on your computer, and not really willing to let you see the benefits you could get out of it |
| 14:09.19 | abrotman | mythtv: see what dpkg said |
| 14:09.19 | sideone | is there a way to install a package without the reqs? i am running apache2, and when i try to install adodb, it wants to install apache |
| 14:09.21 | mythtv | when i apt-cache search it it doesnt show up |
| 14:09.27 | abrotman | mythtv: or /msg dpkg find clearlooks |
| 14:09.37 | abrotman | oh mythtv sarge/etch/sid ? |
| 14:09.58 | abrotman | mythtv: apt-cache searc clearlooks |
| 14:10.03 | abrotman | mythtv: apt-cache search clearlooks |
| 14:10.26 | chealer | sideone: are you trying to install libphp-adodb under sarge |
| 14:10.27 | chealer | ? |
| 14:10.40 | abrotman | gentgeen__: i just don't sleep much .. i was up at 7am or so .. :) |
| 14:10.46 | mythtv | abrotman: yeah thats what im saying i cant see it |
| 14:10.54 | abrotman | mythtv: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:10.59 | sideone | aye |
| 14:11.11 | sideone | 3.1 |
| 14:12.06 | |stefan| | does dvd::rip exist as a debian package ? |
| 14:12.22 | DoppelGanger | look |
| 14:12.32 | mtnman | stefan: man apt-cache (look for "search" option) |
| 14:12.53 | chealer | |stefan|: no |
| 14:13.06 | |stefan| | mtnman i've already searched =) |
| 14:13.13 | sideone | any ideas? |
| 14:13.35 | mtnman | stefan: if you searched and did not find it, then i guess you answered your own question. |
| 14:13.44 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, it was just funny, you were the first I saw when I logged in this morning |
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| 14:13.54 | mtnman | stefan: you can also use the dpkg bot to do a "find" |
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| 14:14.10 | gentgeen__ | and I am sure I was "one" when you left, I tend to leave it open 24/7 |
| 14:14.13 | Hannah | thanks everyone, I'm going to try it now |
| 14:14.15 | Hannah | see you |
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| 14:14.33 | chealer | sideone: are you trying to install libphp-adodb under sarge? |
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| 14:14.36 | sideone | yes. |
| 14:14.53 | chealer | sideone: do you have php4 installed? |
| 14:14.53 | sideone | chealer: yes |
| 14:14.57 | abrotman | !qotd101 |
| 14:14.57 | dpkg | methinks qotd101 is <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
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| 14:15.15 | |stefan| | mtnman there's always the possibility that there's some custom packages or something you know =) that's why i asked. |
| 14:15.21 | abrotman | gentgeen__: look at your logs .. i left around 1230 EST |
| 14:15.35 | |stefan| | DoppelGanger owwweee .. meanie |
| 14:15.36 | mtnman | stefan: /msg dpkg find foopkg |
| 14:15.48 | chealer | sideone: I don't see what the problem could be. how are you trying to install it? |
| 14:15.52 | mtnman | stefan: or /msg dpkg foopkg |
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| 14:16.10 | sideone | apt-get install libphp-adodb |
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| 14:16.23 | nanok | that devoicing rule pisses me off.. |
| 14:16.37 | abrotman | sideone: and what's the error ? |
| 14:16.46 | abrotman | nanok: it's there fro your protection |
| 14:16.51 | |stefan| | wonder if the dvdbackup package is any good- |
| 14:16.54 | nanok | abrotman: ah really? :))) |
| 14:17.02 | nanok | that was funny |
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| 14:17.18 | abrotman | nanok: you were trying to come in as knoppix ? |
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| 14:17.21 | nanok | along the same lines with knives that wont cut, in restaurants, heh? |
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| 14:17.40 | nanok | abrotman: neah, i just forgot to edit the config file |
| 14:17.45 | abrotman | nanok: yeah .. pretty mcuh .. if we don't do that .. they come in .. and we jump them .. and we kill .. |
| 14:17.48 | sideone | says php is unsatisied |
| 14:17.49 | abrotman | !alicekill nanok |
| 14:17.54 | nanok | (i have no hdd on my laptop, for now, no choice |
| 14:17.54 | abrotman | nanok: like that :) |
| 14:18.02 | sideone | i have installed php4 manually as i wanted a bunch of diff options during compiling |
| 14:18.10 | abrotman | that factoid is only funny if you've heard the song |
| 14:18.26 | sideone | how would i mark this as as already installed in the db? |
| 14:18.26 | plb | hrm nvidia and xorg working yet? I heard it created problems before, wondering if the issue is fixed |
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| 14:18.37 | abrotman | sideone: dpkg -l php4 |
| 14:18.39 | nanok | abrotman: that sounds like manowar |
| 14:18.40 | nanok | :P |
| 14:18.45 | abrotman | nanok: arlo guthrie ... |
| 14:18.53 | chealer | sideone: oh. I was of course talking about the package. there's your problem |
| 14:18.54 | mtnman | abrotman: i have it on vinyl and have seen arlo sing it. |
| 14:18.57 | lildude | istall debian is like geting teeth pulled with out freezing |
| 14:19.02 | sideone | :) |
| 14:19.05 | lildude | and jaw comes out with tooth |
| 14:19.19 | sideone | ok, so what should i do? php is working great btw, i do not want ot recompile or remove it |
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| 14:19.35 | tarzeau | lildude: i find suse or rh installers much worse |
| 14:19.36 | abrotman | mtnman: i have it on vinyl too! |
| 14:19.43 | abrotman | mtnman: and he'll be in philly .. next weekend i think :) |
| 14:19.44 | mtnman | abrotman: i have two copies... |
| 14:19.53 | tarzeau | lildude: like when it asks your for another cd, and you can't finish the installation with only the first one |
| 14:19.56 | abrotman | mtnman: i have it on tape .. and i have a lovely live concert with arlo and pete :) |
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| 14:20.12 | abrotman | sideone: you compiled php4? |
| 14:20.15 | lildude | righty |
| 14:20.16 | sideone | yeps |
| 14:20.23 | jair | abrotman how do I make an script active? |
| 14:20.27 | lildude | i tried to get it to install aand working |
| 14:20.28 | mtnman | abrotman: last time i saw him was in nyc. he sang the masacree, and added new verses about richard nixon |
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| 14:20.31 | abrotman | sideone: you schmuck .. why didn't you tell us that.. a long time ago |
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| 14:20.38 | sideone | heh |
| 14:20.39 | abrotman | mtnman: that's not nice ) |
| 14:20.40 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:20.42 | lildude | can do that evan freinds tech help dont help |
| 14:20.42 | sideone | i am a shmuch though |
| 14:20.59 | sideone | s/shmuch |
| 14:20.59 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 14:20.59 | dpkg | [equivs] a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 14:21.01 | jair | after I copied and place it in a directory i.e. /etc/dev/usb ,,.. |
| 14:21.04 | lildude | so i am in real trouble trying cd install rather than net install |
| 14:21.12 | sideone | seet. tyhx abrot |
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| 14:21.17 | abrotman | mtnman: i was wrong ... in 2 weeks |
| 14:21.23 | abrotman | mtnman: http://www.folkfest.org/PFF.php |
| 14:21.34 | jair | abrotman how do I make an script active? |
| 14:21.42 | mtnman | abrotman: he was talking about how he liked to "record stuff" and that if you could picture a world before cds and vcrs, you could see he was a man who was ahead of his time... |
| 14:22.08 | mtnman | abrotman: then he talked about being invited to jimmy carter's inaugural ball... |
| 14:22.09 | abrotman | jair: huh? |
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| 14:22.30 | abrotman | mtnman: that's funny .. he's funny to listen to ... some friends of mine got to meet him in NYC a few years ago |
| 14:22.44 | jair | abrotman I found a hotplug script and it looks like work perfect on SID I will have to check in sarge |
| 14:23.01 | sideone | abrotman: should i call the pkg php4? |
| 14:23.18 | abrotman | sideone: i suppose .. i've never used equivs .. i've never had a good reason :) |
| 14:23.27 | jair | abrotman but the instructions tell me place it on /etc/dev/ ... and the make the script active? |
| 14:23.35 | abrotman | jair: do it! |
| 14:24.09 | jair | abrotman but what they mean with make script "active" ? |
| 14:24.12 | abrotman | jair: i don't use hotplug scripts .. you're on your own .. you could ask #debian-kde .. maybe they know more |
| 14:24.23 | jair | abrotman ok |
| 14:24.31 | abrotman | or an easier way |
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| 14:24.39 | abrotman | jf3: delv ? |
| 14:25.10 | abrotman | E-bola: did you get it yet? |
| 14:25.16 | E-bola | yep |
| 14:25.19 | E-bola | its all working :) |
| 14:25.23 | E-bola | and it helped alot |
| 14:25.26 | E-bola | runs stable now :) |
| 14:25.33 | abrotman | E-bola: you sure ? |
| 14:25.36 | E-bola | sux i have to rebuild my loop-aes modulkes but ile live :) |
| 14:25.49 | E-bola | well it runs alot better than before since it oesnt kick me every other second hehe |
| 14:26.01 | abrotman | E-bola: yes .. that seems better |
| 14:26.01 | jf3 | abrotman: I'm not delv, if that's what the question is. |
| 14:26.10 | abrotman | jf3: /whois jf3 |
| 14:26.20 | abrotman | E-bola: now go say hi to my mum :) |
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| 14:26.52 | abrotman | just the hostname .. not the person joining |
| 14:26.54 | jf3 | abrotman: Oh, I see that's in my hostname. |
| 14:27.25 | abrotman | jf3: yeah .. what's delv ? :) |
| 14:27.58 | jf3 | abrotman: beats me, I'm just using the network. :) |
| 14:28.12 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 14:33.42 | grigora | hi, does anyone know if there is a way to forward several emails at once through evolution? I have an account that's going to be closed and I am trying to get all my messages out. thanks |
| 14:33.57 | abrotman | select them all .. and click forward ? |
| 14:34.02 | abrotman | or use POP3 and download them ? |
| 14:34.40 | mtnman | grigora: why not scp the whole mailbox to another machine? |
| 14:34.45 | sideone | abrotman: i found my build source, can i make it into a package for deb to install? |
| 14:34.55 | sideone | and if so will that clear my deps? |
| 14:35.11 | harfooz | hi all. I'm running Sarge, and went into KDE. I experimented with changin the font for KDE. After using KDE for a while, I logged back into Gnome. In Gnome, my fonts are now not antilaliasing, even though none of the font settings have changed. Anyone have an idea of what I can do to get things back looking good? |
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| 14:35.33 | abrotman | sideone: you can .. or use equivs :) |
| 14:35.45 | abrotman | sideone: why did you compile php ? |
| 14:36.19 | cahoot | harfooz: spurious guess - I'd mv ~/fonts.local away and test |
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| 14:36.54 | RainbowW | is cdrecord the only thing that will burn from the command line? it likes not a bit my 2.6 kernel and my ide burner ... |
| 14:37.01 | harfooz | cahoot -- will Gnome regenerate the necessary file when logging back in? |
| 14:37.22 | cahoot | harfooz: just renam the file - don't kill it |
| 14:37.22 | abrotman | RainbowW: what device are you trying to use in 2.6? |
| 14:37.48 | sideone | abrotman: i needed to pass switches to the app |
| 14:37.49 | grigora | abrotman: thanks I need to somehow get them into gmail |
| 14:37.50 | harfooz | would that be .fonts.conf? |
| 14:37.54 | sideone | in compile time |
| 14:38.02 | grigora | abrotman: can I do that with POP? |
| 14:38.02 | cahoot | harfooz: yes |
| 14:38.13 | sideone | is there a way to do this without installing src? |
| 14:38.14 | harfooz | ok -- trying it out and will brb. |
| 14:38.21 | Angel-SL | Hi |
| 14:38.32 | grigora | mtnman: it's in a Cyrus server which stores mail in a Maildir-like format |
| 14:38.45 | RainbowW | abrotman: /dev/hdc. cdrecord -scanbus produces an error. |
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| 14:38.50 | Angel-SL | how do i make a custom application launcher that runs in terminal but doesn't close the terminal? |
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| 14:39.18 | CrypticSquared | morning all |
| 14:39.18 | harfooz | cahoot -- THANK YOU! |
| 14:39.23 | Angel-SL | how do i make a custom application launcher that runs in terminal but doesn't close the terminal? |
| 14:39.25 | harfooz | cahoot, that fixed it. |
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| 14:40.10 | sideone | abrotman: ? |
| 14:40.24 | Angel-SL | how do i make a custom application launcher that runs in terminal but doesn't close the terminal? |
| 14:40.25 | mtnman | angel-sl: how would you start this app in a terminal that was already open? |
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| 14:40.43 | abrotman | sideone: to the app ? |
| 14:40.51 | abrotman | grigora: no |
| 14:40.53 | trc | I'm starting to get the feeling that my usb system is broken, hardwarewise. How do I check it? Is there any utility or command for it? |
| 14:40.58 | sideone | aye |
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| 14:41.00 | Angel-SL | mtnman: I click it. it opens a NEW terminal silly |
| 14:41.05 | abrotman | RainbowW: anything appended to your kernel line ? |
| 14:41.10 | sideone | then i wouldnt have had to install the src |
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| 14:41.25 | nanok | trc: blug some usb thingy that is known to work, lsusb |
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| 14:41.33 | nanok | s/blug/plug |
| 14:41.33 | Angel-SL | mtnman: I click it. it opens a NEW terminal silly |
| 14:41.35 | Angel-SL | how do i make a custom application launcher that runs in terminal but doesn't close the terminal? |
| 14:41.38 | Angel-SL | ??? |
| 14:41.43 | Angel-SL | !help |
| 14:41.53 | mtnman | angel-sl: i asked how you would run this app in an already opened terminal. if you clicked an icon and it opened the terminal with your app, is the problem that it is closing after running the job? |
| 14:41.56 | RainbowW | abrotman: kernel root=blah ro noapic |
| 14:42.02 | abrotman | sideone: i don't understand why you do anyways |
| 14:42.06 | Angel-SL | Yes/ |
| 14:42.07 | abrotman | RainbowW: and scanbus finds nothing ? |
| 14:42.13 | abrotman | RainbowW: does it even see your Cd drive ? |
| 14:42.25 | Angel-SL | i just typed showfigfonts |
| 14:42.28 | Angel-SL | it didnt close |
| 14:42.35 | cahoot | harfooz: ok |
| 14:42.36 | RainbowW | abrotman: ah, can not open scsi driver, no /dev/pg* |
| 14:42.51 | RainbowW | Angel-SL: stop repeating yourself, asshat. |
| 14:42.54 | a_arcane | What package do i need to run a NFS client? |
| 14:42.58 | sideone | ok |
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| 14:43.10 | Angel-SL | but the icon one DOES |
| 14:43.46 | abrotman | RainbowW: fix that? |
| 14:43.58 | RainbowW | a_arcane: it's installed by default. nfs-common if i recall correctly. |
| 14:44.01 | RainbowW | abrotman: how? |
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| 14:44.15 | abrotman | RainbowW: have it scan the atapi bus :) |
| 14:44.31 | abrotman | !cdrecord |
| 14:44.31 | dpkg | cdrecord is probably a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
| 14:44.48 | CrypticSquared | !samba |
| 14:44.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 14:44.59 | mtnman | angel-sl: answer the first part of my question, please. |
| 14:45.10 | a_arcane | RainbowW, not installed on mine but thx. Will try with nfs-common |
| 14:45.19 | Angel-SL | mtnman: i just type showfigfonts |
| 14:45.23 | Angel-SL | it starts |
| 14:45.31 | Angel-SL | its a terminal based app |
| 14:45.38 | Angel-SL | show a list of fonts |
| 14:45.42 | grigora | so does anyone know how to get emails from a Cyrus server to a gmail account? |
| 14:45.56 | asg | !samba is also read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 14:45.56 | dpkg | okay, asg |
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| 14:46.02 | mtnman | angel-sl: have your application launcher run "showfigfonts&" |
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| 14:46.27 | Angel-SL | still! |
| 14:46.29 | nima | i have a friend who is having trouble configuring xfree86, but knoppix works out of the box, will it work if he uses the knoppix xfree86 config file in debian? |
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| 14:46.47 | asg | nima: probably |
| 14:46.55 | RainbowW | nima: sure. the worst it will do is set the monitor on fire. |
| 14:46.58 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 14:47.04 | nima | thanks |
| 14:47.10 | asg | ah, thanks |
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| 14:48.25 | asg | grigora: if gmail has imap support, you could just connect to both and copy the files over. |
| 14:48.30 | asg | s/files/mails/ |
| 14:48.34 | mtnman | grigora: why not just bounce all the msgs to the gmail? |
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| 14:49.13 | narinux | I know that linux for ipaq exists, exists some that twirls in palm zire (71 or 72) |
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| 14:49.31 | asg | narinux: if one does, handhelds.org will know about it |
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| 14:50.32 | grigora | asg: gmail does not support IMAP |
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| 14:50.41 | mtnman | grigora: why not just bounce all the msgs to the gmail? |
| 14:50.45 | asg | grigora: then mtnman's solution should be just fine |
| 14:50.46 | grigora | mtnman: there are too many messages - 10000+ |
| 14:50.57 | Zenethian | YAY x.org is in sid. Is it FULLY in sid? like, does it actually work? :D |
| 14:51.06 | narinux | asg, la so speaks of ipaq, nao says if it has for palm zire |
| 14:51.19 | jair | abrotman I am editing a html document and I am trying to make a space with no letters in html? i.e abromant Linux guru |
| 14:51.31 | asg | jair: |
| 14:51.49 | Zenethian | jair: that has nothing to do with debian, but it's a non-breaking space entity, |
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| 14:52.05 | Zenethian | may want to visit #web for that. =) |
| 14:52.13 | jair | abrotman how could I do that in html code? it is a html channel |
| 14:52.15 | jair | right |
| 14:52.17 | jair | cool |
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| 14:53.31 | lildude | what dlink wireless work with debian |
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| 14:53.50 | Zenethian | lildude: any that the kernel has drivers for. :) |
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| 14:53.54 | mtnman | lildude: if you want to ask a question, it helps if it is a full sentence. |
| 14:53.55 | Zenethian | and maybe a few others. |
| 14:54.09 | lildude | i got dlink dwl-510 is is supported |
| 14:54.19 | lildude | ?? |
| 14:54.32 | DarkSith | hey anyone using kde 3.3 on sarge? |
| 14:54.41 | abrotman | lildude: in english is good :) |
| 14:54.42 | lildude | ok mtnman |
| 14:54.46 | mtnman | lildude: there is a document called the "hardware howto" at tldp.org and tells which hardware is supported and what modules you need. |
| 14:54.54 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 14:54.55 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
| 14:54.59 | abrotman | bullshit |
| 14:55.01 | abrotman | !wifi |
| 14:55.01 | dpkg | somebody said wifi was a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 14:55.05 | abrotman | fuck that .. i give up |
| 14:55.39 | abrotman | it's like linux-wg.org or some crap |
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| 14:55.57 | marcot | Hello, I'm with a probelm using tex. |
| 14:55.58 | asg | lildude: also, googling for 'dlink dwl-510' should bring up information relevant. |
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| 14:56.13 | DarkSith | how do i change the login manager ? |
| 14:56.15 | asg | marcot: there are 59 people in #latex |
| 14:56.21 | asg | DarkSith: install a new one |
| 14:56.24 | marcot | asg: thanks. |
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| 14:56.36 | mtnman | darksmith: define "login manager" |
| 14:56.56 | lildude | tried googling |
| 14:57.05 | mtnman | lildude: there is a document called the "hardware howto" at tldp.org and tells which hardware is supported and what modules you need. |
| 14:57.13 | CrypticSquared | mtnman hes talking bout xdm & kdm |
| 14:57.31 | lildude | ok il have a look there |
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| 14:58.26 | mtnman | lildude: nice. i only had to tell you about it three times. |
| 14:58.37 | lildude | thanks |
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| 15:00.08 | mtnman | crypticsquared: i suspected as much, but i wanted to be sure. btw, those are called "display managers" not "login managers" |
| 15:00.25 | CrypticSquared | picky picky :P |
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| 15:00.57 | Zenethian | It's like confusing your mother with a cow, simply because both happen to have the ability to give birth. |
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| 15:01.24 | mtnman | cryptic squared: well, precise descriptions facilitate communication. if i make up a new name for something you would have a hard time knowing what i'm talking about. |
| 15:01.29 | abrotman | Zenethian: you've done that ? |
| 15:01.39 | Zenethian | Just once. I was really high, too. |
| 15:01.42 | Zenethian | :-) |
| 15:01.48 | dimir | lol |
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| 15:01.50 | abrotman | Zenethian: did the cow tell you to clean your room |
| 15:01.51 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:01.58 | CrypticSquared | yeah true |
| 15:02.00 | Zenethian | That was the scary part. |
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| 15:02.12 | mtnman | did the cow give birth to *you* ? |
| 15:02.16 | Zenethian | :o |
| 15:02.19 | Zenethian | don't be silly |
| 15:02.37 | mtnman | zenethian: we have not yet established that you are not a calf. |
| 15:02.52 | Zenethian | Moo? |
| 15:02.58 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:02.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
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| 15:03.21 | Zenethian | Right. |
| 15:03.59 | hdi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.21 | Zenethian | hdi: your routes aren't setup right, most likely |
| 15:04.51 | Zenethian | First check ifconfig to see if ath0 is indeed still activated and with an IP address. Then check route to see if you're actually running packets through it |
| 15:05.00 | abrotman | he'd have to have a route :) |
| 15:05.09 | Zenethian | Also make sure that you loaded your firmware. :) |
| 15:05.20 | grigora | does anyone know if Evolution local mail be accessed from Thunderbird? |
| 15:05.32 | Zenethian | grigora: not easily. they use a different mail format. |
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| 15:05.58 | Zenethian | which is why I avidly support IMAP, even if it's being pulled in from a pop3 or some other source, and run on your local machine. |
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| 15:06.30 | seemawn | dürfen fernseher trapezfehler haben? |
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| 15:06.36 | grigora | Zenethian: I do too :) but I am moving and have to move my servers |
| 15:06.39 | abrotman | !de |
| 15:06.39 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 15:07.16 | grigora | Zenethian: should I use Thunderbird or Evolution to get my email out of IMAP and store locally (burn to a CD)? |
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| 15:08.07 | Zenethian | grigora: ... what? |
| 15:08.29 | Zenethian | why not just backup the mail server's maildir? |
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| 15:09.27 | grigora | Zenethian: I have an IMAP server and I need to get my emails out of it, I was trying to figure out how to move the emails to Gmail, but that can't be done, so I am wondering whether I should just store the messages locally and am wondering whether to use Evolution or Thunderbird |
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| 15:09.50 | saloxin_ | grigora: er fethcmail :-) |
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| 15:10.02 | mtnman | gricora: seems you could write a script to bounce all of the mail to another account. |
| 15:10.03 | grigora | Zenethian: I could do that, but every time I need to look up something I have to have an IMAP server running and I am not sure that's going to be possible |
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| 15:10.21 | Zenethian | Ah, so you're no longer going to be running an IMAP server. |
| 15:10.33 | seemawn | oh sry |
| 15:10.38 | mtnman | grigora: why can't you run imap on your workstation? |
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| 15:10.39 | seemawn | took wrong window |
| 15:10.43 | grigora | saloxin_: that's interesting, can it bounce all my mail to GMAIL? like mtnman suggested |
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| 15:11.15 | mtnman | grigora: fetchmail does the opposite of bouncing mail. it pulls it in from a server. |
| 15:11.17 | saloxin_ | grigora: mwa, it's a simple imap client - to pull the email down to localhost |
| 15:11.35 | grigora | mtnman: I have never written scripts to interact with IMAP and don't really have time ... have to move soon |
| 15:12.00 | mtnman | grigora: so you have a problem, but don't want to invest time to fix it. what do you want here? |
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| 15:12.10 | lotsacache | how do i configure my sound card? |
| 15:12.20 | mwilson | mtnman: Someone to do it for him, of course. |
| 15:12.24 | abrotman | lotsacache: which kernel ? |
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| 15:12.31 | lotsacache | sarge |
| 15:12.34 | lotsacache | new install |
| 15:12.36 | abrotman | that's not a kenrel :) |
| 15:12.38 | abrotman | or kernel |
| 15:12.42 | grigora | mtnman: "don't want to" should be "don't have the time to" |
| 15:12.46 | abrotman | lotsacache: uname -a |
| 15:12.53 | schleimy | hi ooflks |
| 15:12.54 | schleimy | folks |
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| 15:13.08 | grigora | mtnman: besides I wouldn't want to spend time on something that has already been done |
| 15:13.13 | mtnman | grigora: if you don't have time to fix the problem, and have not made time to do so, it must not be important to you. |
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| 15:13.16 | schleimy | how can i find out the specifics af an avi file? |
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| 15:13.24 | lotsacache | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 15:13.29 | schleimy | is there a tool or something? |
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| 15:13.39 | Zenethian | schleimy: apt-get search avi |
| 15:13.43 | abrotman | lotsacache: lspci .. see your sound card? |
| 15:13.48 | Zenethian | schleimy: or use teh google. |
| 15:13.58 | mtnman | grigora: i suggested that you scp the entire mailbox to a suitable machine. i suggested bouncing the mail to another server. |
| 15:13.58 | RAfael | hello |
| 15:13.59 | x-Al1gma | hello RAfael |
| 15:14.06 | kimda | hello |
| 15:14.06 | x-Al1gma | hello kimda |
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| 15:14.23 | saloxin_ | Zenethian: heh - wc -l = 578 for avi :-) |
| 15:14.40 | RAfael | someone speak portuguese here: |
| 15:14.40 | asg | stupid bot |
| 15:14.44 | asg | !br |
| 15:14.45 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:14.46 | lotsacache | yes - Multimedia audio controller Intel Corp82801 |
| 15:15.02 | abrotman | lotsacache: does sound work as root ? |
| 15:15.18 | grigora | mtnman: wrong connotation. my mail is safe, it's not like I am going to lose it and I can always run an IMAP server on my laptop, I am just trying to figure out whether I can get it to Gmail which will make my life easier, but it's not critical |
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| 15:15.41 | lotsacache | not sure |
| 15:15.43 | mtnman | grigora: and i suggested you bounce the mail to said account. |
| 15:15.43 | hdi | wlan works now: ifconfig eth0 down; dhclient ath0, that's all. Had to hook up a monitor and keyboard to the machine first because via ssh ... :-) |
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| 15:16.18 | plb | hrm rivafb module conflicts with nvidia although its not even loaded? do I have to build a custom kernel to get this to work or is there another way? |
| 15:16.45 | grigora | mtnman: bouncing the mail is a good idea but I have never done that and do NOT have the time (I wish I did) to write a script, can I use a combination of fetchmail/procmail to bounce the mail? |
| 15:17.13 | mtnman | grigora: i told you that fetchmail does not send mail. it is for pulling it in from a mailserver. |
| 15:17.32 | asg | grigora: procmail can easily forward the mail to gmail as well as save it locally. |
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| 15:17.55 | asg | grigora: man procmailex (for a cornucopia of solutions.) |
| 15:17.55 | mtnman | asg: he has a mail archive to move. this is not for incoming mail. |
| 15:18.02 | RAfael | uau i am the only one here who is not developer... |
| 15:18.05 | grigora | mtnman: I read/knew that, can it be <keyword>combined</keyword> with procmail to bounce the messages? |
| 15:18.09 | mtnman | rafael: no |
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| 15:18.15 | asg | mtnman: I was referring to the future once he has moved it. |
| 15:18.29 | mtnman | asg: yes, but that is not the issue here. |
| 15:18.59 | mtnman | grigora: procmail deals with incoming mail, afaik. |
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| 15:19.56 | grigora | mtnman: right, so can fetchmail get the emails feed them to procmail which will bounce the messages to Gmail, am I asking my car to fly or is this doable? |
| 15:20.23 | mtnman | grigora: sounds doable, but i doubt it will be any simpler than writing a short script. |
| 15:20.25 | marcot | I'm with a problem using latex in sarge, I've just installed latex and tried to compile and old .tex file that used to work. And I got: |
| 15:20.33 | marcot | http://pastebin.com/336665 |
| 15:20.45 | grigora | mtnman: thanks |
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| 15:20.53 | mtnman | welcome |
| 15:21.01 | asg | marcot: did you try running 'tex' instead of 'latex' ? |
| 15:21.10 | lotsacache | I'm getting an error - Mixer cannot be found |
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| 15:21.33 | marcot | asg: no.. |
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| 15:21.40 | mtnman | lotsacache: how about some context? |
| 15:21.40 | asg | marcot: try it, it should work |
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| 15:22.02 | marcot | asg: it give an error in the first line: |
| 15:22.11 | asg | marcot: hmmm |
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| 15:22.20 | cahoot | marcel: got lmodern installed? |
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| 15:22.23 | tarzeau | streuner_: why can't you always be streuner (no _)? |
| 15:22.52 | marcot | http://pastebin.com/336676 |
| 15:22.55 | NelsonM | hey, is there a way to get dpkg to just list the config files in a package? |
| 15:23.00 | asg | marcot: ecrm1000 appears to be missing. Google for it or try ctan |
| 15:23.14 | grigora | mtnman: asg: looks like fetchmail with .forward should just work fine, I am going to do some testing later today, thanks for all the help |
| 15:23.35 | asg | marcot: oh, so it is a latex file and not a plain tex file. |
| 15:23.37 | cahoot | marcot: : got lmodern installed? |
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| 15:23.43 | NelsonM | I'm trying to automate backups and want to just backup config files, not the binaries. |
| 15:23.44 | mtnman | grigora: sounds like a reasonable solution. good luck. |
| 15:24.07 | mtnman | nelsonm: config files all live in /etc/ |
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| 15:24.16 | NelsonM | mtnman: does policy enforce that? cool |
| 15:24.23 | mtnman | nelsonm: yes. |
| 15:24.23 | abrotman | mostly |
| 15:24.44 | NelsonM | rsnapshot is the nuts |
| 15:24.44 | asg | grigora: if everything was in a single mailbox, opening it in mutt, tagging all messages and then using ;-b would also allow you to bounce all of them. |
| 15:24.53 | abrotman | i know for a while .. hylafax stored its in /var/ |
| 15:25.19 | NelsonM | hmm, come to think of it, everything I'v econfigured on this new box is in /etc |
| 15:25.26 | mtnman | hylafax, schmylafax. |
| 15:26.39 | mtnman | abrotman: if that were the case, i'd be surprised if there were not a bug filed against it. |
| 15:26.39 | abrotman | mtnman: needless to say .. there was a bug filed quickly :) |
| 15:26.48 | abrotman | mtnman: yep .. there was .. he moved it back :) |
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| 15:27.12 | marcot | cahoot: let me check here. |
| 15:27.29 | lotsacache | When I open Kmix, The current mix is blank. |
| 15:27.57 | mtnman | lotsacache: do you have the correct modules for your soundcard loaded? |
| 15:28.04 | cahoot | marcot: IIRC that's the recommended modern fonts for tex |
| 15:28.08 | abrotman | or discover installed |
| 15:28.09 | RAfael | where can i get some good software for web development?? |
| 15:28.25 | marcot | cahoot: I'm installing it here. |
| 15:28.38 | abrotman | RAfael: what kind |
| 15:28.42 | lotsacache | I'm not sure. I just did a fresh net-install of sarge. Can you help? |
| 15:28.45 | NelsonM | hmm, when I use TeX I mostly use psfonts unless I'm typesetting math |
| 15:28.50 | RAfael | loke flash |
| 15:28.55 | RAfael | like* |
| 15:28.59 | RAfael | something better |
| 15:29.12 | mtnman | lotsacache: do you even know what sound card you have? |
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| 15:29.20 | LSorense_ | RAfael: flash isn't web development |
| 15:29.27 | RAfael | uau |
| 15:29.28 | lotsacache | Yes - Intel i810 chipset |
| 15:29.29 | RAfael | lol |
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| 15:29.53 | mtnman | lotsacache: run modconf and install the module for it |
| 15:29.56 | RAfael | my english is very bad |
| 15:30.06 | LSorense_ | RAfael: vim can let you write html, that is web development, or you can write php scripts, which can also be web development. flash is not web stuff, it's just a dumb (very buggy usualyl) plugin |
| 15:30.08 | lotsacache | ok |
| 15:30.25 | lildude | my computer cant see wireles card any ideas |
| 15:30.25 | RAfael | lol |
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| 15:30.28 | RAfael | ok |
| 15:30.48 | RAfael | i can only use php if i have a free host |
| 15:30.49 | mtnman | lildude: do you have the correct modules installed for it? |
| 15:31.06 | lildude | how i check that |
| 15:31.06 | LSorense_ | RAfael: dreamweaver, frontpage, etc generate terrible code. people using those are not web developers, they are just mouse clicking monkeys |
| 15:31.22 | LSorense_ | RAfael: you can just write nice plain html |
| 15:31.23 | mtnman | lildude: lsmod. do you know what card it is, or what module it needs? |
| 15:31.42 | grigora | I tried doing fetchmail 192.168.0.1 and got "skipping message grigora@192.168.0.1:2878 not flushed" does anyone know what this means? thanks |
| 15:31.44 | LSorense_ | RAfael: and there isn't anything else like flash, and I don't think there are any good flash tools in linux yet |
| 15:31.52 | abrotman | php can make flash :) |
| 15:32.01 | lildude | it odel is dlw-510 d link |
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| 15:32.11 | LSorense_ | abrotman: well very limited. the module for that isn't that good yet |
| 15:32.15 | mtnman | grigora: means it didn't fetch it, and didn't delete it from the server. try fetchmail -a |
| 15:32.18 | RAfael | LSorense: what can i get for true development? |
| 15:32.20 | asg | LSorense_: rm is the best tool available for working with flash in linux |
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| 15:32.33 | LSorense_ | RAfael: when i did web stuff, i used vim with syntax highlighting enabled |
| 15:32.49 | mtnman | lildude: check the hardware howto at tldp.org to see if it is supported an, if so, which modules it needs. |
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| 15:33.02 | asg | lildude: you'll probably have to use ndiswrapper with that (http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#D) |
| 15:33.04 | lildude | ok |
| 15:33.08 | kimda | /leave #debian |
| 15:33.15 | mohkohn | I am having a problem with installing Sarge. My tale of woe is here: http://www.debianhelp.org/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-9487.html |
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| 15:33.27 | abrotman | LSorense: yes? .. it's been around for .. years |
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| 15:33.31 | abrotman | err yet |
| 15:33.41 | RAfael | cool |
| 15:33.52 | perdenab_ | i have upgraded from woody to sarge, and now several of my devices are no longer visible to the kernel, including eth0 and the framebuffer |
| 15:33.54 | perdenab_ | lspci shows them |
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| 15:34.00 | asg | mohkohn: you'll need to boot with the install cd and blacklist the usb stuff (/msg dpkg blacklist) |
| 15:34.12 | abrotman | eth0 never has a /dev/ |
| 15:34.15 | perdenab_ | how can i get the system to see them again? |
| 15:34.20 | grigora | mtnman: I did fetchmail -a -k and it did the trick, the messages are arriving at Gmail, thanks!!! |
| 15:34.26 | mtnman | perdenab_: maybe the module names changed. |
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| 15:34.31 | mtnman | grigora: welcome. |
| 15:34.34 | mohkohn | thanks asg looking |
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| 15:34.36 | LSorense | abrotman: I looked at it a little while ago. it still didn't do very much, and it really seems the developers stopped working on it |
| 15:34.51 | perdenab_ | the old ethernet module was eth16i |
| 15:35.02 | perdenab_ | when i modprobe eth16i, it doesn't find it |
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| 15:35.11 | perdenab_ | however, eth1349 is there |
| 15:35.14 | asg | mohkohn: I've also seen kernel lockups with external usb cdroms during boot (though if removed and attached afterwards work okay.) |
| 15:35.23 | mtnman | perdenab_: pci or pcmcia? |
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| 15:35.47 | perdenab_ | pci |
| 15:35.50 | euphor][a | anyone use artwiz fonts? |
| 15:35.55 | abrotman | LSorense: i haven't messed with it .. in 2 or 3 yeears |
| 15:35.58 | perdenab_ | 3c905 ethernet board |
| 15:36.00 | marcot | cahoot: I'm having the same error with lmodern installed. |
| 15:36.02 | LSorense | perdenab_: which network chip? |
| 15:36.02 | perdenab_ | ati graphics card |
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| 15:36.07 | perdenab_ | dunno |
| 15:36.08 | JosephSpiros | I'm trying to get an idea as to when python 2.4 will become the default python version |
| 15:36.13 | crn | how do i find out what packages are installed? |
| 15:36.16 | LSorense | perdenab_: and lspci shows the physical hardware, not if drivers are loaded or not |
| 15:36.20 | JosephSpiros | Anyone have any ideas as to when that might happen? |
| 15:36.22 | JosephSpiros | :) |
| 15:36.23 | perdenab_ | i know |
| 15:36.23 | LSorense | mohkohn: ehm, which part of that is yours? |
| 15:36.25 | abrotman | crn: man dpkg |
| 15:36.27 | plb | anyone tell me if theres a way to disable rivafb module so it doesn't conflict with nvidia without recompiling kernel? |
| 15:36.30 | LSorense | mohkohn: and what is the problem there? |
| 15:36.37 | crn | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:36.37 | lildude | no luck with drivers |
| 15:36.38 | asg | plb: /msg dpkg blacklist (maybe) |
| 15:36.38 | perdenab_ | my question is, how to i recreate the associations so the kernel can see the devices |
| 15:36.51 | mtnman | plb: remove it from /etc/modules |
| 15:36.51 | LSorense | perdenab_: some driver names have changed in the last few years, like rtl8139 became 8139too and such |
| 15:37.03 | plb | mtnman: its not even in there |
| 15:37.20 | plb | asg: ok i think i googled that didn't work but I'll try |
| 15:37.22 | LSorense | plb: make sure your discover is configured to ignore video devices (like it recomends). dpkg-reconfigure discover |
| 15:37.27 | mtnman | !3c905 |
| 15:37.27 | dpkg | from memory, 3c905 is a 3Com PCI NIC that uses the 3c59x driver |
| 15:37.33 | LSorense | plb: see is lsmod shows rivafb |
| 15:37.34 | RAfael | conhecimento! |
| 15:37.36 | mtnman | !3x905 |
| 15:37.42 | LSorense | pl'; and how are you installing the nvidia driver? |
| 15:37.43 | perdenab_ | how can i get the working eth1349 driver to see the card the old eth16i driver used to see |
| 15:37.45 | plb | LSorense: it doesn't |
| 15:37.49 | mtnman | !3c905 |
| 15:37.49 | dpkg | from memory, 3c905 is a 3Com PCI NIC that uses the 3c59x driver |
| 15:37.51 | LSorense | er plb |
| 15:37.52 | lildude | grr no network with that card |
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| 15:38.02 | lildude | wil it help if i reinstall my debian |
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| 15:38.07 | LSorense | lildude: which card? |
| 15:38.18 | lildude | dwl-510 dlink |
| 15:38.19 | plb | LSorense: I've been googling for sometime now trying to figure a way around without recompiling heh |
| 15:38.23 | LSorense | lildude: wireless? |
| 15:38.29 | lildude | yes |
| 15:38.35 | plb | it doesn't even show rivafb as loaded |
| 15:38.43 | LSorense | plb: are you using the debian nvidia installer? |
| 15:38.44 | euphor][a | what are the best forums? i am searching for artwiz and it yields 1 results across all 3 i have found? |
| 15:38.47 | plb | LSorense: yes |
| 15:38.48 | lildude | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.50 | mtnman | lildude: someone said you need ndis-wrapper |
| 15:38.53 | lildude | so i went wireless |
| 15:38.56 | LSorense | plb: and it complains about rivafb? |
| 15:39.03 | plb | yes |
| 15:39.05 | LSorense | pl; normally it warns about it and then goes on |
| 15:39.10 | plb | LSorense: going by this guide http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 15:39.17 | LSorense | plb: can you post the errors on #flood? |
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| 15:39.19 | sciron | iirc, you can't use the nvidia driver with either drm or fb active |
| 15:39.21 | plb | ok |
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| 15:39.27 | LSorense | plb: try this one: http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/ |
| 15:39.28 | lildude | how do instal ndis-wrapper |
| 15:39.35 | LSorense | plb: That's how I do it. |
| 15:39.39 | tech9iner | still no gui for services on sarge eh mates? |
| 15:39.42 | plb | ok hold on lemme try |
| 15:39.52 | asg | tech9iner: rcconf |
| 15:39.53 | LSorense | lildude: apt-get install ndiswrapper-source, then use module-assistant to build it |
| 15:40.01 | mtnman | lildude: i have never used it, but i would guess "apt-get install ndis-wrapper" |
| 15:40.04 | LSorense | plb: and which kernel are you running? |
| 15:40.07 | LSorense | plb: uname -r |
| 15:40.08 | perdenab_ | my question is, how to i recreate the associations so the kernel can see the devices |
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| 15:40.18 | jharrison | any idea what the mysql development package is called in sarge? |
| 15:40.18 | lildude | cant apt get with out internet |
| 15:40.21 | LSorense | perdenab_: which devices are not working exactly? |
| 15:40.29 | perdenab_ | eth0 and the ati framebuffer |
| 15:40.37 | drac | lildude: apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential && m-a a-i ndiswrapper, I guess. |
| 15:40.39 | mtnman | lildude: not exactly true. you can apt-get from cd or another machine on you lan. |
| 15:40.40 | jharrison | seeing as mysql-dev and mysql-devel are not real packages and not installable |
| 15:40.40 | tech9iner | thanks ;] asg |
| 15:40.44 | LSorense | lildude: so use an ethernet port in the mean time |
| 15:40.45 | lildude | mean put wired card back in? |
| 15:40.45 | fatal_ | lildude: sure you can... apt works from cd... |
| 15:40.59 | somePriest | Anyone know of a [cost] free software to author DVDs? I can make the VIDEO_TS files, but I need a way to make menus, and compile multiple VIDEO_TS into different chapters. |
| 15:41.06 | lildude | all i got is net cd |
| 15:41.07 | LSorense | lildude: you mean you took out the wired card you had before you had wireless working? |
| 15:41.09 | plb | LSorense: i get the same thing about riva with your site |
| 15:41.10 | asg | jharrison: libmysqlclient12 or somesuch |
| 15:41.19 | LSorense | plb: yes, I get that too, but it still works fine |
| 15:41.22 | jharrison | asg: thanks |
| 15:41.24 | asg | jharrison: libmysqlclient12-dev even |
| 15:41.27 | lildude | dam ok il dl all 7 cds and istall from them |
| 15:41.31 | plb | LSorense: says build failed for me |
| 15:41.31 | tech9iner | ThingzThatMakeYouWannaSay.... Hmmmmm!?!..... ;] rcconf from root term not liked? |
| 15:41.34 | LSorense | plb: unless you have your own kernel build that has rivafb built in in which case it should fail |
| 15:41.40 | drac | lildude: Sarge is 14 CDs. |
| 15:41.41 | LSorense | plb: can you paste errors to #flood? |
| 15:41.51 | plb | ok |
| 15:42.00 | lildude | yes i took out wired card to install wireless before wireless worked |
| 15:42.02 | jharrison | asg: yes I got that part :) |
| 15:42.08 | LSorense | plb: and which kernel version does uname -r show? |
| 15:42.17 | lildude | did not know you could have to in box at same time |
| 15:42.22 | plb | 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 15:42.24 | jharrison | asg: and now I build with mysql support finally |
| 15:42.31 | LSorense | plb: which version of nvidia driver? |
| 15:42.36 | asg | jharrison: what are you building? |
| 15:42.45 | euphor][a | are debian forums not used much? i can't find an answer, where to look? |
| 15:42.47 | jharrison | asg: of course with all the apt-cache searching for mysql development its beyond me why I could not bring up that package |
| 15:42.48 | lildude | hold on il put wired one into box |
| 15:42.49 | plb | umm the latest in unstable 1.07 something |
| 15:42.50 | jharrison | asg: prelude |
| 15:42.57 | LSorense | plb: same kernel works perfectly here with the same steps. |
| 15:43.09 | plb | hm |
| 15:43.16 | lildude | do i remove wireless card to reinstall new one? |
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| 15:43.30 | LSorense | plb: try wiping out /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel and starting over. maybe it got corrupted. |
| 15:43.38 | LSorense | lildude: just leave it in |
| 15:43.45 | plb | LSorense: ok |
| 15:43.46 | lildude | ok il do that |
| 15:43.49 | LSorense | lildude: then put in the normal network card so you can download what you need |
| 15:43.57 | euphor][a | why does no-one ever answer |
| 15:44.00 | lildude | hold on have to install old cardbrb |
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| 15:44.10 | LSorense | euphor][a: did you ask a question? |
| 15:44.16 | euphor][a | LSorense, several |
| 15:44.21 | LSorense | euphor][a: I never noticed. |
| 15:44.43 | priest | if a computer is marked compatible with red hat, should it work with debian also? or have red hat a lot of commercial drivers included? |
| 15:44.49 | LSorense | euphor][a: do you have defoma installed? |
| 15:45.09 | LSorense | priest: redhat does include some drivers. what hardware does it have in it? |
| 15:45.10 | euphor][a | LSorense, i am trying to get artwiz fonts in X, would like to know how to do this (they are installed), or whwre to search for support. I have found 3 debian forums and they all yield no results. |
| 15:45.16 | plb | LSorense: nope still fails |
| 15:45.30 | LSorense | plb: ok that is weird. kernel-headers package for the kernel is installed right? |
| 15:45.36 | plb | yes |
| 15:45.43 | euphor][a | LSorense, I chose defoma on install, I am assuming it installed it.. |
| 15:45.44 | LSorense | plb: hmm, that is weird. |
| 15:45.52 | plb | hrmmmmmmm |
| 15:45.52 | plb | wait |
| 15:45.53 | LSorense | euphor][a: did you let it manage fonts? |
| 15:45.58 | euphor][a | LSorense, yes |
| 15:46.04 | plb | ./conftest.sh: line 9: gcc-3.3: command not found |
| 15:46.09 | plb | just saw this |
| 15:46.12 | LSorense | euphor][a: hmm, let me see if I have artwiz installed |
| 15:46.13 | priest | LSorense, i'm looking at dell-servers, don't know exatlcy what kind of hardware |
| 15:46.19 | LSorense | plb: ohhh. apt-get install gcc-3.3 |
| 15:46.25 | LSorense | plb: 2.6.11 was compiled with that. |
| 15:46.38 | LSorense | plb: or move to 2.6.12 |
| 15:46.42 | redguy | will pxelinux work on a ppc machine? |
| 15:46.45 | mtnman | priest: i pray you don't give business to dell. |
| 15:46.47 | euphor][a | LSorense, do many people use the forums? I am surprised there are not more posts. |
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| 15:46.57 | plb | yay it worked! |
| 15:46.57 | LSorense | redguy: does a ppc machine support pxe boot? |
| 15:47.02 | LSorense | plb: excelent. |
| 15:47.03 | plb | thanks for the help |
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| 15:47.09 | LSorense | euphor][a: what forums? |
| 15:47.13 | RAfael | lSorense you are the best!! |
| 15:47.21 | RAfael | lol |
| 15:47.23 | tarzeau | anyone has a machine (x86) that he wants to reboot, by running a little binary for me? |
| 15:47.29 | joel | how does one burn divx movies with subtitles? I use cdrecord.. |
| 15:47.29 | euphor][a | LSorense, forums.debian.net, debianforums.org and debianforums.net |
| 15:47.31 | LSorense | euphor][a: people use irc and the mailing lists. |
| 15:47.35 | abrotman | euphor][a: debianhelp.org ? |
| 15:47.37 | euphor][a | LSorense, oh :/ |
| 15:47.46 | euphor][a | abrotman, haven't seen that one |
| 15:47.46 | priest | mtnman, what should i buy then? i just want servers that is linux compatible? with good support on the hardware |
| 15:48.03 | lildude | old card in rebboting pc |
| 15:48.03 | redguy | LSorense: well not sure, that's what I'm asking actually. To be more precise the ppc machine is a newworld mac |
| 15:48.05 | LSorense | euphor][a: never heard of those. I find most web forums full of people that click submit to go back so you get 100 messages with just a quoted reply part and nothing new. |
| 15:48.14 | LSorense | redguy: which model? |
| 15:48.19 | lildude | thanks for helping me i realy apeciate it |
| 15:48.25 | redguy | LSorense: does it matter? |
| 15:48.47 | euphor][a | LSorense, i am a heavy forum user on gentoo and find they are an excellent resouce. It is a shame debian does not have something similar. |
| 15:49.00 | LSorense | redguy: and well pxe is an intel standard for network boot. I suspect openfirmware on the macs has their own boot from net support, likely using bootp/dhcp and tftp. that's what most sane machines (other than x86's) have always used |
| 15:49.09 | LSorense | euphor][a: I never liked forums. |
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| 15:49.26 | LSorense | euphor][a: mailing lists work much better I find. less crap submitted |
| 15:49.37 | LSorense | euphor][a: and irc is better for instant answers |
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| 15:50.07 | euphor][a | abrotman, debianhelp.org seems to be better then the others, ty |
| 15:50.08 | priest | mtnman, and what is wrong with dell? |
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| 15:50.20 | drc | How can I temporarily change my gamma in X? |
| 15:50.24 | drc | and then set it back to default |
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| 15:50.31 | Xik0 | i install enlightenment and when i press the left button don't shows the user menus, but other menu with configurations, how do i have access to my programs or even a terminal? |
| 15:50.32 | mtnman | priest: i don't buy servers, so i cannot make a specific recommendation, however, i have heard michael dell speak, and have worked with enough of their desktop machines to know that i will never give them any $ |
| 15:50.32 | LSorense | priest: besides proprietary hardware, only using intel chips, and loving windows? |
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| 15:50.59 | mtnman | lsorense: and paying lip-service to linux. |
| 15:51.24 | priest | LSorense, no, they stock there servers with redhat, or nothing installed at all |
| 15:52.09 | mtnman | when i saw michael dell give the keynote speech at linuxworld a few years ago, he embarrassed himself by not understanding a question from the audience, and not even realizing that he was not getting it. |
| 15:52.11 | LSorense | priest: so? a lot of propritary hardware has binary onlky drivers for redhat and often nothing else. Although at least dell servers tend to have drivers available for most of the hardware |
| 15:52.14 | euphor][a | LSorense, no-one seems to know in irc though :/ how can i use defoma to add artwiz fonts to gnome plz? |
| 15:52.30 | LSorense | euphor][a: how are you checking if the font is installed? xlsfonts? |
| 15:53.00 | euphor][a | LSorense, Font config in Gnome, they are not in the font dialouge as available fonts |
| 15:53.59 | LSorense | euphor][a: xlsfonts |grep artwiz |
| 15:54.03 | LSorense | euphor][a: see anything there? |
| 15:54.05 | LSorense | euphor][a: I do |
| 15:54.35 | priest | LSorense, so what kind of hardware do you recommend? |
| 15:54.55 | NelsonM | what's the simplest way to set up a bandwidth graph for my debian host? snmpd + mrtg seems awfully complicated |
| 15:54.56 | lildude | doing netinstall o debian |
| 15:55.03 | lildude | so i can go wireless |
| 15:55.26 | euphor][a | LSorense, i do |
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| 15:55.44 | LSorense | priest: I build my own systems, asus motherboards, nvidia video, usually amd cpu, WD harddrivers, etc |
| 15:56.06 | LSorense | euphor][a: then x knows about the fonts. if they are not in gnome, then gnome isn't using the x fonts or is filtering some it doesn't like |
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| 15:56.19 | LSorense | euphor][a: maybe it is using ttf instead |
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| 15:58.20 | perdenab_ | one more time... how can i get the sarge eth1349 driver to associate itself with the NIC that used to be visible as eth0 under woody's eth16i driver? |
| 15:58.41 | asg | perdenab_: try nameif |
| 15:58.45 | LSorense | perdenab_: what is eth16i? a driver? |
| 15:58.46 | perdenab_ | and why does the sarge eth16i module not work, when woody's did? |
| 15:58.53 | perdenab_ | module, sorry |
| 15:58.54 | LSorense | perdenab_: new kernel version |
| 15:59.13 | LSorense | perdenab_: if the kernel renamed the module, you have to update the module you list in /etc/modules to the new name |
| 15:59.17 | perdenab_ | LSorense, changing to a new kernel is what caused this |
| 15:59.23 | mwilson | wow... new emelfm2 is way nice |
| 15:59.26 | perdenab_ | did that already |
| 15:59.45 | LSorense | perdenab_: so check your /etc/modules and see if the driver name is listed there. |
| 15:59.50 | perdenab_ | it is |
| 16:00.27 | drc | If I want to change gamma with xgamma do I need to restart X for it to take effect? |
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| 16:00.43 | lildude | sarge is real bastared to get working |
| 16:00.44 | LSorense | drc: i don't think so |
| 16:00.46 | lildude | geeeze |
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| 16:01.00 | LSorense | lildude: no wireless is a real bastard to get working. sarge is simple |
| 16:01.14 | lildude | been a bear so far |
| 16:01.16 | drc | LSorense: I just tested it and looks like I have to restart, nothing happens when I do f.ex xgamma -gamma 2.000 |
| 16:01.21 | asg | LSorense: wireless is simple provided you don't have unsupported or flaky hardware |
| 16:01.31 | LSorense | drc: odd. I thought it was instant |
| 16:01.44 | lildude | i dont think i got flacky hardware |
| 16:01.58 | LSorense | drc: it's instant here |
| 16:02.12 | lildude | i have expensive router and linux compatible parts there |
| 16:02.13 | asg | lildude: well, not supported by a kernel and requiring either binary drivers or ndiswrapper == flaky hardware |
| 16:02.14 | LSorense | drc: going to gamma 2 doesn't make things that much brighter, but you can tell |
| 16:02.33 | lildude | righty that card is peice o shit |
| 16:02.40 | LSorense | lildude: what wireless card do you have? does it use an old prism or orinoco and an rl2500 chip? |
| 16:02.48 | drc | LSorense: how high number should I try then |
| 16:02.59 | lildude | dl-dwl-510 |
| 16:03.02 | LSorense | drc: try 4 or 5. you should notice dark things getting right bright |
| 16:03.07 | lildude | dlink is the fooking card |
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| 16:03.13 | LSorense | lildude: which revision? |
| 16:03.29 | LSorense | lildude: many companies complete change a card, keep the same model but put on a new revision |
| 16:03.35 | drc | LSorense: I tried 10.00 nothing happened :/ |
| 16:03.47 | lildude | 5.140 |
| 16:03.50 | LSorense | drc: maybe your x driver doesn't do gamma |
| 16:03.54 | lildude | serial |
| 16:04.05 | LSorense | lildude: hmm, usually revision numbers are just a single digit or leter |
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| 16:04.06 | drc | LSorense: damn. :/ |
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| 16:04.11 | LSorense | drc: what video card? |
| 16:04.25 | drc | LSorense: so this means that I can't change my gamma at all? some s3 trio32/64 or something |
| 16:04.26 | lildude | b248143000231 is serial number |
| 16:04.29 | hcy | hi, today i switched metacity for sawfish, and alt-left alt-right don't work anymore for 'back' and 'forward' when browsing etc. Anyone know how to get those back? |
| 16:04.31 | drc | LSorense: with 1mb of memory, hehe |
| 16:04.33 | LSorense | drc: on an old thing like that, quite possible |
| 16:04.45 | drc | LSorense: oh, damn. |
| 16:04.54 | LSorense | drc: works fine on my tnt2 |
| 16:04.59 | lildude | lsorence its kinda old card wireless b |
| 16:05.10 | LSorense | lildude: pci or pcmcia? |
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| 16:05.24 | lildude | pci |
| 16:05.25 | drc | LSorense: then I got a problem, my monitor is so dark that I can't see all the pictures on websites. and this 1mb memory is quite annoying because I can use only 800x600x16 :/ |
| 16:05.30 | LSorense | lildude: what does lspci show for it?> |
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| 16:05.45 | LSorense | drc: well if your monitor is dying, you can't really help it |
| 16:05.45 | lildude | nothing |
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| 16:05.54 | lildude | absoloty nothing |
| 16:06.01 | LSorense | drc: increasing gamme helps a little but I tried that before and it really doesn't work well |
| 16:06.11 | LSorense | lildude: if it is pci, lspci should show the network card |
| 16:06.25 | lildude | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.33 | lildude | have to reinstall os |
| 16:06.41 | LSorense | lildude: lil: reinstall what? linux? |
| 16:06.47 | lildude | had kde and gnome conflict |
| 16:06.54 | LSorense | lildude: how? |
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| 16:07.03 | LSorense | lildude: they have never conflicted for me |
| 16:07.09 | lildude | would not let me log in |
| 16:07.20 | lildude | ore take pass or user |
| 16:07.27 | drc | LSorense: Im not sure is it dying, it's not that old. And it helps in my desktop comp (which has some problems and I need to use this) |
| 16:07.32 | lildude | did before the fight |
| 16:07.32 | LSorense | lildude: so hit control+alt+f and use the console |
| 16:07.42 | drc | LSorense: with this monitor ofc. |
| 16:07.53 | lildude | we could not do that console thing |
| 16:08.02 | LSorense | drc: well if setting the monitor to max brightness and contrast isn't enough, then the monitor is dying |
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| 16:08.06 | lildude | so i reinstalling righ now net install |
| 16:08.16 | LSorense | drc: I have seen that before. it sucks |
| 16:08.27 | drc | LSorense: how can a monitor not older than 5 years be dying? it's been like this for a long time |
| 16:08.30 | LSorense | drc: but sometimes that just happens. they just go darker and darker |
| 16:08.41 | LSorense | drc: I have seen 2 year old cheap crap do it. |
| 16:09.06 | LSorense | drc: i used to see it a lot on the low end viewsonics and samsungs |
| 16:09.11 | drc | LSorense: damn :/ Maybe the older monitors are better. have some 14" that work just fine :) |
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| 16:09.23 | LSorense | drc: sure some of the old 14" last forever |
| 16:09.35 | LSorense | drc: I have 12 year old 20" that are like new still. |
| 16:09.46 | drc | LSorense: so does it mean that nowadays they build the monitors cheaper? :) This one is a LG, do they suck? |
| 16:09.50 | LSorense | drc: and I have a 6 year old 17" dell that is getting pretty dark. junk :) |
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| 16:10.30 | LSorense | drc: some LGs do. viewsonic for example has their P series which seem to last about forever in general, but their e series and a series don't. the cheap ones also have pathetic resolution and refresh rates |
| 16:10.31 | drc | LSorense: blaah, I need to find a cheap old used 21" Nokia then, they should be fine. :/ |
| 16:11.00 | euphor][a | place near me does 21" for 40 quid |
| 16:11.00 | LSorense | drc: I use a fairly new viewsonic P95f+ at work. I love it. not very expensive either. |
| 16:11.05 | lildude | dont turn of they last longer |
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| 16:11.16 | drc | LSorense: this is 19" and has ok refresrates and resolutions for my use |
| 16:11.19 | gentgeen__ | the viewsonic Ps are nice -- good price, and have had mine now for 7+ years |
| 16:11.23 | LSorense | drc: my dad actually picked up a very nice 1920x1440 22" NEC for $200 used recently. |
| 16:11.24 | gentgeen__ | still looking good |
| 16:11.33 | lildude | optiquest here is that veiwsonic? |
| 16:11.40 | LSorense | drc: if it is less than 1600x1200@75hz, it's a cheap crap 19" :) |
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| 16:11.55 | euphor][a | i have two 17" lcds :) |
| 16:11.57 | drc | LSorense: I think this runs 1600x1200@75Hz |
| 16:11.58 | LSorense | lildude: no optiquest is a cheaper brand as far as I remember |
| 16:12.02 | gentgeen__ | I have had really good experience with NEC too |
| 16:12.03 | drc | LSorense: not sure though. |
| 16:12.30 | lildude | used with 10 day warenty |
| 16:12.33 | LSorense | drc: I can never understand when one doesn't know what one is using |
| 16:12.41 | lildude | shure beats a 12 inch i had for linux |
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| 16:13.04 | boogie | I've had real good luck with NECs, too. |
| 16:13.23 | LSorense | boogie: I have had rather bad luck in general, but apparently they had some nice high end ones in the past |
| 16:13.27 | drac | heh, even Hyundai 19" does 1600x1200@85hz |
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| 16:13.32 | quittt | do you know a way to listen directories and subdirectories? |
| 16:13.35 | quittt | at the same time |
| 16:13.37 | gentgeen__ | ICR -- but I *think* opticquest is a "cheaper" child company/name for the viewsonice |
| 16:13.38 | LSorense | drc: on some models yes |
| 16:13.47 | gentgeen__ | BUT NOT POSITIVE |
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| 16:14.11 | LSorense | gentgeen__: I would be scared of anything cheaper than a cheap viewsonic |
| 16:14.16 | drc | LSorense: well I don't use 1600x1200 so I don't know what's max Hz for it |
| 16:14.23 | gentgeen__ | lol |
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| 16:14.52 | LSorense | drc: I can't work with less than 1600x1200 |
| 16:14.55 | LSorense | drc: not enough room |
| 16:15.09 | euphor][a | use two screens :) |
| 16:15.27 | euphor][a | 3200x1200, mmph |
| 16:15.29 | LSorense | euphor][a: that would put a big gap down the middle of my programs |
| 16:15.50 | euphor][a | LSorense, only if you span them |
| 16:15.51 | drc | LSorense: hehe :P |
| 16:16.02 | gentgeen__ | quittt, do you mean like 'ls */*' |
| 16:16.03 | LSorense | euphor][a: yeah I might as well get an apple 30" then and run whatever insane resolution it has |
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| 16:16.18 | euphor][a | LSorense, if you have $$ |
| 16:16.19 | mysurfguide | Hey guys I got a few problems, when installing the nvidia driver... I have followed a guide installing the module for nvidia and the nvidia kernel... but whenever i come to startx i get "Failed to initialize nvidia kernel module/driver" . i read the readme.txt that comes with the nvidia installer, and nothing out of help there, except that i did install kernel headers, im pretty sure about that is what is causing this cause |
| 16:16.23 | quittt | gentgeen__, nope |
| 16:16.33 | quittt | I am in my Music directory |
| 16:16.34 | boogie | yeah, that's got to be a few thousand... |
| 16:16.39 | quittt | when I do ls only show the artist |
| 16:16.48 | quittt | I want to show artist and albuns too |
| 16:16.49 | quittt | got it? |
| 16:16.51 | mwilson | Why would kernel headers be causing your problem? |
| 16:16.57 | mysurfguide | my kernel is 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 16:17.00 | gentgeen__ | quittt, that is what the */* would do |
| 16:17.11 | mwilson | You were able to build the module, or you were not. Which is it? Whether or not it can load it is another issue. |
| 16:17.28 | LSorense | euphor][a: I don't. :) |
| 16:17.47 | mysurfguide | mwilson, i read in an article of where others had the smiliair issue, and first i thought debian wouldnt load the nvidia mod at bootup, so i did modprobe nvidia, and tried startx , even added nvidia to /etc/modules, but same thing |
| 16:17.47 | euphor][a | LSorense, wish i did, like a G5 |
| 16:18.10 | mwilson | mysurfguide: But that's not what I asked you. |
| 16:18.16 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o |
| 16:18.20 | mysurfguide | sorry typing slow mwilson |
| 16:18.24 | mysurfguide | im still typing :) |
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| 16:18.57 | gentgeen__ | quittt, might want tor try 'tree' -- apt-get install tree |
| 16:19.03 | spermie_411 | Does anyone know of a good i368 Debian install guide ? |
| 16:19.18 | Phated | !ig |
| 16:19.18 | dpkg | ig is probably for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
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| 16:19.40 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: either way show, the way to do this correctly is to use the uninstall feature of nvidias driver package and '/msg dpkg nvidia' |
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| 16:19.42 | gentgeen__ | spermie_411, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install |
| 16:19.43 | mysurfguide | the reason why i believe this is the kernel-headers is during the install of the nvidia kernel, it installed these from apt. while reading the nvidia error in the XFree86.0.log , it says that either a Nvidia GPU was not found or the module was not loaded... well i took out the module option since i loaded it manually |
| 16:20.13 | mysurfguide | valdyn:: here is the first line u gave me: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 853880 2005-08-14 11:31 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o |
| 16:20.17 | mwilson | mysurfguide: In other words, you have no reason to believe it has anything to do with kernel headers. So... the answer to the question I originally asked you would be...? |
| 16:20.38 | lildude | i 368 is that drunk i 386 sailer linux? |
| 16:20.51 | theblue | Hi all./ |
| 16:20.55 | mysurfguide | mwilson i read in an nvidia faq that the kernel-headers could be causing this if the headers were of a different version then my kernel |
| 16:20.56 | lildude | hi |
| 16:20.59 | theblue | Does the netinst work with wi-fi cards? |
| 16:21.19 | mysurfguide | i will try that valdyn |
| 16:21.28 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: modprobe -r nvidia && modprobe nvidia on a console, tell us the output. |
| 16:21.29 | EvanCarroll | theblue: if they have prism chipset |
| 16:21.36 | gentgeen__ | theblue, if the card is supported by the kernel |
| 16:21.46 | theblue | evancarroll: and if it has prism, will it be autodetected? |
| 16:21.52 | EvanCarroll | theblue: yes |
| 16:22.09 | gentgeen__ | theblue, I did it with an oronico chipset |
| 16:22.09 | theblue | evancarroll: thanks, you and gentgeen__ just saved me a huge headache. |
| 16:22.13 | mwilson | mysurfguide: No, actually you didn't read anything of the sort. But that's OK... looks like other people want to get involved. I'll just watch. |
| 16:22.19 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: if you used the wrong headers then you cannot load the kernel module at all, simple as that. |
| 16:23.02 | theblue | And if I used the floppy netinst, would it still support prism? |
| 16:23.04 | mysurfguide | well sorry guys , i just read the post and figured it had to do with it since thats what it said, no offense mwilson |
| 16:23.10 | mysurfguide | modprobe command not found |
| 16:23.26 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: as root. |
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| 16:23.31 | EvanCarroll | Type /ignore mwilson and save yourself agrivation today! |
| 16:23.33 | mysurfguide | i am :O |
| 16:24.03 | mysurfguide | okay my bad again valdyn |
| 16:24.08 | mysurfguide | the output gave nothing |
| 16:24.14 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: Did you ever finish destroying that guy's box last night? Last I saw, you had him incredibly far afield. |
| 16:24.28 | EvanCarroll | mysurfguide: are you modprobing? |
| 16:24.33 | mysurfguide | hellsreject:/var/log# modprobe -r nvidia && modprobe nvidia |
| 16:24.33 | mysurfguide | hellsreject:/var/log# |
| 16:24.36 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: thats not really possible if you did it in a console, did you do it in an X terminal? |
| 16:24.46 | mike-m | hello, any idea how I could use sed on string? does it only work with files? |
| 16:24.54 | mysurfguide | yes valdyn |
| 16:25.08 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: so do it again, on a CONSOLE |
| 16:25.15 | mysurfguide | okay |
| 16:25.19 | lildude | if sme one sees liable |
| 16:25.24 | EvanCarroll | mysurfguide: type dmesg | tail, and see if the module loaded |
| 16:25.26 | lildude | i loking for him |
| 16:25.39 | mike-m | nevermind, I got it |
| 16:25.56 | mysurfguide | NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-7174 Tue Mar 22 06:44:39 PST 2005 |
| 16:25.59 | mike-m | I use pipes |
| 16:26.16 | valdyn_ | hah |
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| 16:26.35 | EvanCarroll | mysurfguide: congradulations, now you have too s/nv/nvidia/ in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf or XFree86-4 |
| 16:26.40 | mysurfguide | hey valdyn |
| 16:26.42 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: alright, kernel module loaded just fine, so the issue is elsewhere. |
| 16:26.52 | mysurfguide | it said it loaded the kernel module |
| 16:26.59 | mysurfguide | okay |
| 16:27.02 | mysurfguide | sorry didtn see lol |
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| 16:27.28 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 16:27.33 | endain | I'm trying to upgrade from Samba 2.2 to 3.0. Authentication should be done by smbpasswd (security=user, passdb backend = smbpasswd:/etc/samba/smbpasswd) However it always fails (smbclient gives: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE) and the password of my user in the smbpasswd files gets overwritten by X's. Can anyone help me find the problem? |
| 16:27.36 | chealer | mysurfguide: dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 16:27.45 | chealer | mysurfguide: dpkg -l nvidia-glx instead |
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| 16:27.57 | amorphix | anyone any ideas why my Canon Powershot cannot be turned off immediately after hooking it up to Linux box via USB? |
| 16:28.02 | EvanCarroll | endain: did you add the user with smbpasswd? |
| 16:28.04 | EvanCarroll | endain: smbpasswd -a |
| 16:28.09 | mysurfguide | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 16:28.09 | mysurfguide | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 16:28.09 | mysurfguide | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.7174-3 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
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| 16:28.14 | mysurfguide | sorry for the paste |
| 16:28.16 | mysurfguide | damn lines |
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| 16:28.40 | amorphix | mysmurguide thats ok |
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| 16:29.13 | endain | EvanCarroll: the user already has an entry in smbpasswd, if that's the question |
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| 16:29.30 | furrywolf_ | now, I know how useful polls aren't... but anyone a bliand debian user? I'm trying to convince someone to switch to linux, but she's concerned about lack of screenreader support... |
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| 16:29.38 | amorphix | fluffywolf! hi |
| 16:29.45 | mysurfguide | so it is loading the nvidia mod but refuses to accept it? |
| 16:29.46 | amorphix | fluffywolf! i finally got my wacom pad working |
| 16:29.59 | mwilson | If they need "convincing", why are you forcing them? |
| 16:30.04 | furrywolf_ | amorphix: what was wrong? :) |
| 16:30.09 | chealer | mysurfguide: does nv work fine? |
| 16:30.14 | mwilson | The idea is to get work done, not have a religious experience. |
| 16:30.16 | mysurfguide | yup chealer |
| 16:30.20 | valdyn_ | !drxx mysurfguide |
| 16:30.21 | dpkg | mysurfguide: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:30.23 | furrywolf_ | mwilson: because they've spent all morning complaining about windows problems. :P |
| 16:30.46 | mwilson | So you'd rather they complain about Linux problems? |
| 16:30.51 | amorphix | furrywolf: well i did it all wrong an over complicated the whole thing... all i had to do in the end was replace the driver module file with one from the website, and put a few lines into X config file..that was all. it worked fine then |
| 16:30.52 | mysurfguide | ive also unchecked openglc and dri |
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| 16:30.56 | mysurfguide | and checked glx |
| 16:30.58 | chealer | mysurfguide: could you lspci|grep -i nvidia |
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| 16:31.02 | mysurfguide | sure :) |
| 16:31.08 | furrywolf_ | amorphix: heh. :) |
| 16:31.15 | chealer | bbl |
| 16:31.18 | mysurfguide | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2) |
| 16:31.30 | amorphix | furrywolf_ i spent 2-3 weeks on it, many many hours and nearly went insane and installed Windows |
| 16:31.33 | furrywolf_ | mine aren't working at the moment; forgot to compile the linuxwacom drivers in last time I did a kernel upgrade. |
| 16:31.42 | mysurfguide | valdyn_ ive done reconfigure a million times but whenever i set it to nvidia driver it crashes |
| 16:31.49 | mysurfguide | with the generic nv driver it runs fine |
| 16:31.56 | EvanCarroll | endain: enable the user then, and read if the user entry is correct all a readd will do is change the pass word |
| 16:32.04 | EvanCarroll | endain: smbpasswd -e |
| 16:32.45 | furrywolf_ | for some reason I can't figure out, 2.6.11.11 is perfectly stable, but 2.6.12.3 can't manage an uptime of over 30 minutes. |
| 16:32.55 | mysurfguide | ive got the nvidia-install.log if u wish |
| 16:33.06 | EvanCarroll | !u |
| 16:33.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:33.17 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: so you are using both, nvidias installer and debians nvidia packages? |
| 16:33.36 | mysurfguide | yes valdyn, the driver from nvidia, and the nvidia packages |
| 16:33.40 | mysurfguide | from debian that is |
| 16:33.55 | endain | EvanCarroll: login still fails with the same symptoms |
| 16:33.57 | mysurfguide | otherwise it didnt find the nvidia driver in xfree86 |
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| 16:34.11 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: that's bad. you can only use one of both and you should use the debian packages. |
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| 16:34.35 | miso | hi |
| 16:34.50 | mysurfguide | last time i did this i used both, cause if i dont install it, it doesnt find the nvidia driver during reconfigure... how would i go about having it found if i remove the nvidia released driver? |
| 16:35.23 | valdyn_ | mysurfguide: remove nvidias stuff, reinstall the debian packages. |
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| 16:35.32 | EvanCarroll | endain: what are you using for Authentication? |
| 16:35.42 | miso | uname i have sarge installed, i am searching for libapache2-auth-ldap but it is "missing" , is any way to use auth_ldap in paache2 ? |
| 16:35.42 | mysurfguide | okay valdyn, i'll give that a shot. thanks :) |
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| 16:36.24 | amorphix | fluffywolf_: my right click doesnt work however on my serial pad..not sure if thats due to the driver or misconfig tho |
| 16:36.42 | takkie | hi! i'm new to linux and have a question |
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| 16:36.47 | endain | EvanCarroll: security = user \n encrypt passwords = true \n passdb backend = smbpasswd:/etc/samba/smbpasswd |
| 16:36.47 | amorphix | damn i need a cup of tea, im spitting feathers here |
| 16:36.52 | furrywolf_ | amorphix: dunno. works on my pads. :) |
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| 16:37.03 | amorphix | furrywolf_ are you running usb or serial? |
| 16:37.13 | furrywolf_ | usb, but I don't think the driver cares much. |
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| 16:37.18 | amorphix | ok |
| 16:37.28 | amorphix | i may have overlooked something |
| 16:37.32 | mysurfguide | !nvidia installer |
| 16:37.32 | dpkg | nvidia installer is, like, a script available from nvidia.com which installs nvidia drivers for you. However, it overwrites files that apt owns, which can get overwritten themselves when X is upgraded, leading to random breakage. Ask me about "nvidia-howto" or just "nvidia" |
| 16:37.36 | EvanCarroll | endain: are you using pam backend? |
| 16:37.42 | amorphix | none of you guys like nfs? |
| 16:37.47 | EvanCarroll | endain: or ldap or anythign else stupid |
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| 16:37.56 | boogie | !tell takkie about ask |
| 16:38.02 | mwilson | amorphix: "like"? NFS just *is*. It's not to like, or dislike. |
| 16:38.02 | amorphix | i remember when nfs used to be all the rage in here, these days you seem to have shunned it |
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| 16:38.13 | furrywolf_ | I use nfs, but only read-only, with non-important data, on a firewalled lan. |
| 16:38.21 | amorphix | ok |
| 16:38.29 | mysurfguide | valdyn_ one last question :) how do i got about getting rid of the nvidia driver? |
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| 16:38.46 | mwilson | amorphix: There are plenty of stupid people who think they should use Samba between *nix boxen, but they usually manage to kill themselves off sooner or later. |
| 16:38.54 | EvanCarroll | I use nfs read/write on an internal lan never had a problem with it, I like a lot |
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| 16:39.10 | amorphix | mwilson: nfs is still the preferred way? |
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| 16:39.22 | mwilson | amorphix: NFS is still the only way. |
| 16:39.24 | EvanCarroll | there is AdamsFS too for unix/unix but i never used it |
| 16:39.26 | amorphix | oh |
| 16:39.38 | EvanCarroll | it has alot of things NFS lacks, or so i'm told |
| 16:39.51 | amorphix | i just love NFS and think its great, but the only problem is with streaming video and audio to my laptop |
| 16:39.51 | priest | NFS has no security |
| 16:39.58 | mysurfguide | or anybody else know a quick way? |
| 16:40.01 | endain | EvanCarroll: I don't tell it to use pam. If there's an internal default though.. (the doc says pam is disabled by encript paswords = true) |
| 16:40.10 | mwilson | priest: Except that it does, of course. |
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| 16:40.22 | mwilson | priest: The same security the rest of your filesystem has. |
| 16:40.25 | idis | can anyone explain the difference between the kernel-image-* and the linux-image-* packages? |
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| 16:40.29 | biro | how can i configure xwindow system? |
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| 16:40.40 | drac | !drxx biro |
| 16:40.41 | dpkg | biro: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:40.49 | EvanCarroll | endain: I never went that far into it, if your using pam though than you have to have a corresponding unix account for every smb user |
| 16:40.54 | amorphix | I'm thinking linux image is a full installer image? |
| 16:40.57 | mwilson | idis: Some clueless person thought the packages should be renamed. |
| 16:40.58 | debwriter | I use grep to find a line in my text file but after i found it I need one line before the line can somebody help me with that? |
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| 16:41.03 | amorphix | and kernel image is just the kernel source compiled? |
| 16:41.09 | takkie | HELP! |
| 16:41.11 | boogie | idis: sounds like you've mixed debian and ubuntu repos. |
| 16:41.28 | mwilson | idis: There was a long involved thread on d-d but it basically boiled down to that. |
| 16:41.36 | idis | boogie: oh, no, madison says linux-image is unstable |
| 16:41.36 | drac | boogie: Debian uses linux-images now too. |
| 16:41.40 | endain | EvanCarroll: I do (have a coresponding unix user) but I don't want to be using pam anyways |
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| 16:41.47 | amorphix | it does indeed |
| 16:41.54 | valdyn_ | amorphix: since debian can provide different os kernels the name was changed to be more precise |
| 16:42.00 | amorphix | oh i see |
| 16:42.00 | boogie | oh, ok, didn't know that guys, thanks for the info. |
| 16:42.09 | boogie | that must be fairly recent. |
| 16:42.11 | lildude | thanks for help |
| 16:42.11 | debwriter | I use grep to find a line in my text file but after i found it I need one line before the line I found with grep can somebody help me with that? |
| 16:42.24 | mwilson | valdyn_: Yes, after all, we all know people are too stupid to know if they're using HURD, or BSD, or whatever. |
| 16:42.30 | lildude | brb after net install debian reinstalled |
| 16:42.34 | biro | i had never used x-chat text |
| 16:42.39 | biro | is hard |
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| 16:43.05 | idis | so now two families of images, the one with the dependencies and the one with the kernel... |
| 16:43.08 | valdyn_ | like: kfreebsd-source-5.3 - source code for kernel of FreeBSD 5.3 with Debian patches |
| 16:43.11 | amorphix | is nfs fully capable of streaming live video? |
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| 16:43.44 | mwilson | How would NFS be involved with streaming live video? Wouldn't whatever protocol you're using for the stream be what matters? |
| 16:43.58 | EvanCarroll | endain: than disable the pam option, under use pam backend |
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| 16:44.09 | EvanCarroll | endain: make sure too any time you change your .conf you reload samba |
| 16:44.14 | amorphix | mwilson: i guess so, but the data still has to travel across NFS eh, and if NFS cant handle the amount of data |
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| 16:44.41 | mwilson | amorphix: Why does the data travel over NFS? You just said "streaming live video". |
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| 16:45.05 | amorphix | if i try to play a video file across NFS on my laptop, it craps out 10 seconds into it, yet on my workstation it plays fine all the way thru |
| 16:45.06 | mwilson | amorphix: Do you *actually* mean "play an AVI file from an NFS-shared volume"? |
| 16:45.18 | amorphix | mwilson: yes thats it |
| 16:45.21 | biro | dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system????? |
| 16:45.29 | furrywolf_ | !drxx |
| 16:45.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:45.36 | mwilson | Which really has nothing to do with streaming video in any way. |
| 16:45.51 | juninho-pg | ola tudo bem com voce seu viadao boiola tetudo lazaretico |
| 16:45.58 | mwilson | Define "craps out". |
| 16:46.09 | amorphix | mwilson: ok i stand corrected, i got confused from comments on here made by certain people who told me playing an AVI = streaming video and NFS wasnt designed for it |
| 16:46.33 | mwilson | NFS wasn't designed for anything at all. It just kind of grew, like a mushroom. |
| 16:47.01 | amorphix | mwilson: the nfs seems to go down, the client machine just shows "nfs not responding, trying again" in the messages log and the machine freezes basically for a good 2 minutes, then the connect returns |
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| 16:47.38 | mwilson | The NIC is sharing an IRQ with something? |
| 16:47.41 | amorphix | its like a network failure |
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| 16:47.52 | biro | thanks! |
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| 16:48.06 | valdyn_ | amorphix: the same error should appear if you just copy a file over nfs |
| 16:48.14 | amorphix | mwilson: thats possible, i did suspect it was related to nic so switched to using a pcmcia card instead, but same problem occurred, only a bit less severe |
| 16:48.24 | endain | EvanCarroll: I can't find a 'use pam backend' in the doc. I've added 'obey pam restrictions = no' though, but nothing changes. |
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| 16:48.42 | amorphix | valdyn: copying files and even playing mp3s is fairly ok, mp3s sometimes pause briefly, but it doesnt lock up system |
| 16:49.02 | amorphix | the laptop is a P3-600 with 256mb so plenty capable machine |
| 16:49.31 | valdyn_ | amorphix: not sure that is plenty at all |
| 16:49.34 | EvanCarroll | endain: thats right, without knowing anything else I'm out of ideas, it should be straightforward or you should get a log in /var/log/samba |
| 16:49.51 | amorphix | valdyn_: oh well my workstation is like only P3-733 with 256mb also |
| 16:49.52 | mwilson | Sounds like the combination of playing the video and servicing the network is more than it can handle. |
| 16:49.58 | amorphix | but thats a SCSI workstation |
| 16:50.33 | amorphix | valdyn_ also the laptop can play the video file if its on a cd or on the hdd |
| 16:50.33 | valdyn_ | amorphix: top would know probably. |
| 16:50.50 | amorphix | seems to be nfs which has the problem |
| 16:51.09 | mwilson | No, seems to be the *network* that has the problem. |
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| 16:51.19 | amorphix | i would really love to get to the bottom of it because I want to setup mythtv and use laptop as a client |
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| 16:51.29 | valdyn_ | amorphix: your blaming a small part of the system for an error that could be caused by about anything. |
| 16:51.33 | amorphix | mwilson: how can it be tho when the workstation is ok? |
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| 16:51.47 | mwilson | Ewwww... can't be part of any effort to use crap like Myth. |
| 16:51.56 | amorphix | where should I look guys or what should I try next? ive run out of ideas |
| 16:52.10 | EvanCarroll | amorphix: what kernel version are you using? |
| 16:52.12 | endain | EvanCarroll: the closest I can see to an error message is 'ntlm_password_check: NO NT password stored for user AAA', but that doesn't give me much to work with... |
| 16:52.13 | amorphix | mwilson: whats wrong with mythtv?? its a great concept |
| 16:52.19 | valdyn_ | amorphix: 'top' |
| 16:52.22 | biro | thank you my x system is running !!!! |
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| 16:52.32 | amorphix | EvanCarroll: im running 2.6.11 on all machines |
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| 16:52.38 | TNKS | hi all. Does anybody here know if Ubuntu has anything great over Debian? I was talking to a guy that used Ubuntu, and the things he seemed to like in it (nice package managment) seemed to be in Debian too. |
| 16:52.46 | amorphix | valdyn_ i will try top |
| 16:52.50 | mwilson | amorphix: It's over-engineered crap. If you have a use for it, more power to you, but I won't be involved in it. |
| 16:52.59 | amorphix | ok |
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| 16:53.31 | EvanCarroll | endain: I would move my samba password file and readd a user with smbpasswd -a, either that or remove samba alltogether and reinstall it without trying to migrate from 2.3.x and see whre that takes you |
| 16:54.03 | valdyn_ | TNKS: debian has a different 'release schedule', its own policy, more packages, different 'defaults'. |
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| 16:54.14 | amorphix | ive got a mini camcorder hooked up to my tv capture card and i want to monitor when my kettle is boiled or microwave has finished from across the laptop |
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| 16:54.22 | chandoo | hi :) |
| 16:54.28 | amorphix | *network |
| 16:54.29 | chandoo | just now i installed debian |
| 16:54.35 | amorphix | chandoo: congrats |
| 16:54.42 | chandoo | but having some config problems with xwindows |
| 16:54.49 | chandoo | how to configure Xwindows |
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| 16:54.53 | EvanCarroll | amorphix: 2.6.11 is fairly recent, if I was in your position i would try samba/cifs and see if that solves your network problem, and if it does you know the problem is the nfs and have more to work off of |
| 16:54.58 | valdyn_ | !tell chandoo about setup x |
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| 16:55.17 | amorphix | chandoo: re-run the dpkg-reconfigure or edit manually at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 16:55.20 | chandoo | amorphix: after a lot of reading i tried but debian installation is pretty simple |
| 16:55.23 | EvanCarroll | amorphix: or the andrew file system |
| 16:55.28 | chandoo | amorphix: ok |
| 16:55.37 | TNKS | valdyn_, so as far as "more packages" is concerned, I'm probably going to stick with Debian for the long haul (that's what I'm on now). But I was just wondering if you had the chance to look at something about Ubuntu and think, "hmm. That is nice." |
| 16:55.54 | EvanCarroll | amorphix: andrew is the new kid on the block, the buzword and cause behind alot of NFS bashing |
| 16:55.54 | amorphix | EvanCarroll: good idea, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 16:56.17 | amorphix | it is not logical tho for it to work across nfs to my workstation |
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| 16:56.20 | endain | EvanCarroll: that worked, (aparently the smbpasswd file changed formats... ). Thanks! |
| 16:56.20 | amorphix | so im puzzled |
| 16:56.29 | amorphix | assuming there is a problem with nfs |
| 16:56.39 | valdyn_ | TNKS: no i don't. AT most i could say 'nice for certain people' ( the in certain aspect somewhat friendlier defaults ), nothing in it for me. |
| 16:56.43 | mwilson | amorphix: Of course it is, because the problem is local to your laptop, as everyone has been trying to tell you. |
| 16:56.56 | amorphix | ok |
| 16:57.06 | TNKS | valdyn_, that's kind of how I felt. |
| 16:57.09 | amorphix | i may have to sell that laptop |
| 16:57.26 | mwilson | Yes, certainly better to sell it, rather than figure out what's up with it. |
| 16:57.30 | EvanCarroll | amorphix: why woulden't andrew filesystem be 'logical'? |
| 16:57.34 | amorphix | its a nice one too, a HP Omnibook but it does seem slower than my previous Compaq Armada M700 |
| 16:57.43 | mwilson | An *Armada*? |
| 16:58.05 | amorphix | EvanCarroll: well i guess thats logical, but its not logical step for me to suspect NFS i dont think since it works to my workstation |
| 16:58.06 | valdyn_ | TNKS: maybe: debian is more about choice, if you dont have time or interest to explore some of those, ubuntu is probably easier to handle. |
| 16:58.06 | mwilson | No one should be forced to use an Armada... |
| 16:58.19 | nvz | mwilson: he said the one he has now seems even slower |
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| 16:58.21 | amorphix | mwilson: hehe i sold it, i have a HP Omnibook now |
| 16:58.24 | EvanCarroll | amorphix: you said mp3s pause when playback from nfs |
| 16:58.30 | amorphix | but it seems somewhat slower than the Armada |
| 16:58.31 | TNKS | valdyn_, I hear you. |
| 16:58.37 | chandoo | amorphix: dpkg-reconfigure is doing every thing |
| 16:58.40 | amorphix | same CPU tho |
| 16:58.45 | EvanCarroll | amorphix: that should never happen even over 10mbit unitilized, an mp3 is 300kb max |
| 16:58.48 | chandoo | is there a way to configure only the X |
| 16:59.00 | amorphix | chandoo: insert the X package name after dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:59.09 | amorphix | does anyone know it? its a weird one eh |
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| 16:59.49 | amorphix | well... |
| 17:00.02 | amorphix | that Armada I had previously did have 396MB of ram |
| 17:00.19 | amorphix | whereas my HP only has 256 |
| 17:00.34 | amorphix | but both ran P3-600 |
| 17:00.42 | drac | !drxx chandoo |
| 17:00.43 | dpkg | chandoo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:01.16 | amorphix | someone seriously needs to rename that package name |
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| 17:01.21 | amorphix | its so damn hard to remember |
| 17:01.30 | drac | umm, no, no it isn't. it's logical. |
| 17:01.39 | amorphix | heh i knew someone would say that |
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| 17:01.59 | amorphix | drac: so how come you had to pull it with drxx :P |
| 17:02.02 | drac | xfree86 or xorg, both are xservers .. so ;) |
| 17:02.09 | drac | cause i'm lazy bastard |
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| 17:02.51 | amorphix | im gonna fetch my laptop and carry out some tests then |
| 17:03.54 | cn | can i get kernel source of 2.6.11? |
| 17:04.07 | mwilson | If you like. |
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| 17:04.15 | cn | i dont find them |
| 17:04.26 | mwilson | Why do people think Linux kernel sources are somehow some dark secret? |
| 17:04.32 | amorphix | cn: apt-get install kernel-source |
| 17:04.41 | peter-t | i have a problem with gnome in unstable... when i try to install 'gnome-desktop-environment', i get the error that gpdf 2.10.x is needed, but only gpdf 2.8.x is availabe |
| 17:05.02 | mwilson | peter-t: Welcome to unstable. |
| 17:05.03 | chandoo | debian installed xfree86 |
| 17:05.08 | cn | amorphix, i dont find 2.6.11 |
| 17:05.12 | chandoo | but xwindows is not working |
| 17:05.22 | chandoo | i am using nvidia 6600gt card |
| 17:05.35 | amorphix | cn: look a bit harder, its there |
| 17:05.36 | plb | cn kernel-source-2.6.11? |
| 17:05.37 | chandoo | using 256mb video ram |
| 17:05.45 | amorphix | cn: kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 17:05.58 | drac | !sarge hardware support |
| 17:05.59 | dpkg | methinks sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
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| 17:06.04 | peter-t | mwilson: but lots of people use gnome 2.10 in unstable, or am i wrong? |
| 17:06.06 | amorphix | guys... |
| 17:06.18 | jharrison | cn: or you can have it spoon fed to you http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.11.tar.bz2 |
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| 17:06.23 | mwilson | peter-t: I wouldn't have any idea. |
| 17:06.26 | amorphix | could my vdram on laptop be a problem with doing the video over nfs? |
| 17:06.29 | peter-t | strange |
| 17:06.41 | drac | chandoo: Read what dpkg says about your card. That's why you need NVidia propietary drivers. Do an: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:06.50 | peter-t | the same problem occurs with kde |
| 17:07.13 | amorphix | #debian is back to spoon feeding |
| 17:07.15 | mwilson | peter-t: No, the same problem does not occur with KDE, as KDE would have no use for gpdf. |
| 17:07.23 | cn | i would like to install kernel module for ndiswrapper but there is only for 2.8 |
| 17:07.30 | cn | how can i do? |
| 17:07.33 | mwilson | peter-t: KDE has other issues, issues related to the C++ ABI transition. |
| 17:07.47 | chandoo | drac: okay i will be back |
| 17:07.59 | mwilson | peter-t: Again, welcome to unstable. |
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| 17:08.37 | mwilson | peter-t: Unstable is not guaranteed to even BOOT at any particular time, let alone support whatever combination of packages you care to install in it. |
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| 17:09.54 | peter-t | mwilson: i know that kde does not need gpdf... but some kde-software... kde 3.4 is available... but the whole k*-tools are only available in the 3.3.x version |
| 17:10.07 | mwilson | peter-t: Correct. |
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| 17:11.01 | plb | out of curiousity how long did it take for the last c++ transition I read it was done in 2002 i believe |
| 17:11.14 | mwilson | <shrug> Until it was done. |
| 17:11.18 | plb | heh |
| 17:11.26 | plb | ;] |
| 17:11.28 | EvanCarroll | plb: you mean the standard update? |
| 17:11.39 | plb | ya |
| 17:11.41 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend a genealogy app for the "average joe" that has a win32 (or java) port? |
| 17:12.01 | EvanCarroll | plb: I think it was way before 2002, like 95ish =/ but i could be wrong on that one |
| 17:12.15 | mwilson | plb: He thinks you mean the libc update. |
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| 17:12.37 | plb | ah |
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| 17:13.22 | p8m | Didn't the c++ abi change with 2.95->3.0? |
| 17:13.24 | mwilson | plb: libc transitioned from libc5 to libc6 many years ago. |
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| 17:13.29 | mwilson | p8m: Yes. |
| 17:13.32 | coywolf | how to play some part of a movie repeatedly with mlayer? |
| 17:13.40 | QT4Dance | I have installed Debian Then I tried to install KDE but kdm doesn't start also startx doesn't work |
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| 17:13.58 | plb | coywolf: mplayer -loop ? |
| 17:14.14 | QT4Dance | How do i start my X server? |
| 17:14.27 | coywolf | plb, i like to play only some part of the video, say 1/10 |
| 17:14.41 | plb | coywolf: dunno about that |
| 17:14.54 | plb | QT4Dance: startx? |
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| 17:15.21 | coywolf | how to set my default terminal to xterm instead of gnome-terminal? |
| 17:15.24 | QT4Dance | plb, It doesn't work |
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| 17:15.32 | mwilson | "default" terminal? |
| 17:15.38 | EvanCarroll | QT4Dance: or if you want the display manager /etc/init.d/{k,g,x}dm start |
| 17:15.42 | mwilson | Define "default terminal". |
| 17:15.45 | plb | QT4Dance: what do you mean by it doesn't work |
| 17:16.00 | QT4Dance | give some output on the screen then nothing |
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| 17:16.11 | coywolf | mwilson, in xfce, when i press the icon, i got a terminal window poped up |
| 17:16.20 | plb | qt doesn't help much other then X isn't properly configured i take it |
| 17:16.22 | mwilson | coywolf: Ok, and? |
| 17:16.27 | QT4Dance | EvanCarroll, I tried this also doesn't work |
| 17:16.27 | EvanCarroll | coywolf: so change the location of the bin the icon points to |
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| 17:16.41 | plb | or just use fluxbox =P |
| 17:16.43 | EvanCarroll | QT4Dance: than you have a problem with your X setup |
| 17:16.49 | coywolf | EvanCarroll, isn't there something in debian alternative? |
| 17:16.50 | QT4Dance | plb, How do I configure it? |
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| 17:17.00 | amorphix | mwilson: maybe CPU stepping in P3-Mobile CPU in laptop is causing the problem |
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| 17:17.18 | QT4Dance | EvanCarroll, I am coming from gentoo xorg-config doesn't work |
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| 17:17.24 | EvanCarroll | !doesn't work |
| 17:17.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:17.31 | plb | QT4Dance: yes it does |
| 17:17.34 | plb | I used it |
| 17:17.35 | mwilson | coywolf: <sigh> Where does the icon point? It's not going to do you much good to break the alternatives system if the icon runs gnome-terminal directly. |
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| 17:17.37 | QT4Dance | I don't know how to configure my XServer |
| 17:17.50 | QT4Dance | plb, Hold on will try again |
| 17:17.52 | plb | QT4Dance: did you apt-get install x-window-system-core? |
| 17:17.58 | kicker | how can i search recursly in a bouch of config for a specefic word? (ex:LANG) |
| 17:17.58 | plb | er |
| 17:18.01 | nima | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:18.07 | mwilson | kicker: man grep |
| 17:18.18 | coywolf | it's xfterm4 mwilson |
| 17:18.19 | EvanCarroll | kicker: rgrep 'word' |
| 17:18.23 | kicker | grep is the tool, thanks |
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| 17:18.42 | kicker | cool thank you |
| 17:18.42 | amorphix | HP is the oldest computer company? |
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| 17:18.51 | QT4Dance | plb, I thought it will be installed by default if i installed kde |
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| 17:18.54 | mwilson | coywolf: So it's not running gnome-terminal, nor is it using the x-terminal-emulator provided by the alternatives system. |
| 17:19.01 | amorphix | that company started in 1930 |
| 17:19.12 | mwilson | coywolf: So deliberately breaking the alternatives wouldn't have gained you anything, would it? |
| 17:19.17 | coywolf | mwilson, xfterm4 is a script |
| 17:19.18 | kurtak | Hi Folks- what's the best way to see what's available (shared) on a windows network?? |
| 17:19.30 | plb | QT4Dance: install it if its not already installed |
| 17:19.30 | nima | what was HP doing back then? |
| 17:19.36 | kurtak | I don't know the shared points, but i know there are some |
| 17:19.42 | QT4Dance | ok will try thia |
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| 17:19.43 | amorphix | HP may be older than IBM, but came into computers later than IBM I think |
| 17:19.44 | QT4Dance | this |
| 17:19.45 | coywolf | mwilson, it uses x-terminal-emulator |
| 17:19.54 | EvanCarroll | kreg: smb4k |
| 17:19.54 | EvanCarroll | err |
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| 17:19.59 | EvanCarroll | kurtak: smb4k |
| 17:20.02 | amorphix | nima: they made sound wave analysing device |
| 17:20.02 | nima | what did they start out doing |
| 17:20.07 | plb | bbiab |
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| 17:20.09 | mwilson | coywolf: So make it launch xterm. |
| 17:20.21 | amorphix | nima: they sold a bunch to Disney studios and made $5k |
| 17:20.34 | nima | interesing |
| 17:20.34 | kurtak | EvanCarroll: many thanks, will look this up! |
| 17:20.53 | amorphix | nima: those were invented by two guys in CA in a shed, the shed is still there I believe..a national monument in USA |
| 17:21.17 | amorphix | you guys should read the story of HP and the company history its quite remarkable |
| 17:21.25 | amorphix | HP is a much underrated company i think |
| 17:21.29 | nima | im reading it on wikipedia |
| 17:21.33 | amorphix | :) |
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| 17:21.56 | bartden | hi i'm looking for an mp3 player like iTunes , any suggestions ? |
| 17:21.58 | QT4Dance | plb, Thank u I am installing it |
| 17:22.05 | mwilson | !u |
| 17:22.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:22.08 | QT4Dance | Hope it will work |
| 17:22.15 | amorphix | who said u |
| 17:22.17 | EvanCarroll | bartden: amorak |
| 17:22.20 | amorphix | oh |
| 17:22.20 | boogie | bartden: rhythmbox is similar. |
| 17:22.39 | boogie | it's amarok. |
| 17:22.40 | amorphix | I'm running all HP hardware now apart from my Toshiba server |
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| 17:22.47 | amorphix | HP rocks |
| 17:22.59 | EvanCarroll | compaq pieces of shit =/ |
| 17:23.10 | amorphix | compaq is now part of the HP company |
| 17:23.19 | amorphix | but that compaq is nowhere near as good as HP |
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| 17:23.27 | amorphix | HP is the true innovator |
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| 17:23.51 | tarzeau | did someone manage to use mplayer with caca? |
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| 17:24.10 | tarzeau | i'm --enable-caca 'ing but ldd mplayer shows me nothing about caca.. (sid), aa works fine |
| 17:24.22 | EvanCarroll | I think your dissillusioned |
| 17:24.48 | tarzeau | ./configure tells me it found CACA .. yes |
| 17:25.15 | EvanCarroll | did you change the output filter to libcaca? |
| 17:25.22 | EvanCarroll | or output device |
| 17:25.24 | EvanCarroll | what ever they call it |
| 17:25.26 | valdyn_ | tarzeau: Unknown option on the command line: --enable-caca |
| 17:25.26 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: -vo caca, yes |
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| 17:25.30 | PandaKun | waddup |
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| 17:25.50 | PandaKun | do you guys put scripts in like just incase someone tries to get into root so you can reset the root pw? |
| 17:25.51 | tarzeau | valdyn_: what version of mplayer do you have? |
| 17:25.53 | PandaKun | via user account? |
| 17:25.53 | EvanCarroll | tarzeau: got me, it worked fine when i did it |
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| 17:26.10 | EvanCarroll | PandaKun: that is a retarded idea. |
| 17:26.11 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: where do you have your mplayer package from? and what version is it? |
| 17:26.15 | valdyn_ | tarzeau: -vo caca seems to work just fine |
| 17:26.18 | amorphix | PandaKun very dumb idea |
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| 17:26.23 | amorphix | heh |
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| 17:26.32 | EvanCarroll | tarzeau: I haven't done it in along time, i dont remember, i did when they first had caca support |
| 17:26.36 | PandaKun | haha |
| 17:26.44 | PandaKun | amorphix how do you suggest to handle hackers/attackers then/ |
| 17:26.52 | valdyn_ | tarzeau: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.0 |
| 17:26.58 | EvanCarroll | PandaKun: not by giving them a means to changing root password from the user directory |
| 17:27.00 | amorphix | a good firewall and an observant system admin |
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| 17:27.04 | tarzeau | valdyn_: can i have your deb package? |
| 17:27.05 | EvanCarroll | bad bad idea. |
| 17:27.12 | PandaKun | im usign APF |
| 17:27.14 | PandaKun | what are you guys using? |
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| 17:27.45 | valdyn_ | tarzeau: its christian marillats, amd64, but i can try the i386 one too ( sid / marillat / i386 ) |
| 17:27.58 | amorphix | change your root password if you are paranoid |
| 17:27.59 | tarzeau | !mplayer |
| 17:27.59 | dpkg | well, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 17:28.06 | tarzeau | !marillat |
| 17:28.06 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 17:28.11 | EvanCarroll | And if a 'hacker' ever achives root your system is compromised and you should reformat immediatly, if you need to preserve files run a heuristics to make sure they are all txt and remove -x from them |
| 17:28.12 | PandaKun | not really |
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| 17:28.52 | PandaKun | but what firewall do you guys use? |
| 17:29.00 | tarzeau | PandaKun: shorewall |
| 17:29.07 | PandaKun | ah |
| 17:29.09 | tarzeau | PandaKun: actually i prefer not to use a firewall |
| 17:29.11 | PandaKun | everyone uses shorewall |
| 17:29.15 | PandaKun | why is that? |
| 17:29.20 | tarzeau | PandaKun: i only use NAT (from iptables) |
| 17:29.25 | EvanCarroll | a 60.00 netgear, or shorewall =[ |
| 17:29.28 | tarzeau | PandaKun: why would i want a firewall? |
| 17:29.30 | valdyn_ | tarzeau: both work fine, what exactly is the error for you? |
| 17:29.43 | tarzeau | valdyn_: i'll try marillats package... |
| 17:29.48 | tarzeau | valdyn_: i've built it myself .. heh |
| 17:29.52 | valdyn_ | tarzeau: i see |
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| 17:30.12 | amorphix | ive heard a rumour that mandrake has a very poor package manager |
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| 17:30.38 | valdyn_ | amorphix: if you think rpm is poor then its poor i suppose |
| 17:31.15 | tarzeau | i so hate packages not in main |
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| 17:31.33 | amorphix | trying to get info is like to trying to pull teeth, i just want the specification to my laptop! |
| 17:31.46 | amorphix | sheesh |
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| 17:36.26 | Radiance | any one noticed an increase of packets to port 33435 udp ? |
| 17:36.54 | mwilson | oooh, I *do* like the new emelfm |
| 17:37.10 | EvanCarroll | anyone pay attention to ports that should be blocked anyway? |
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| 17:37.34 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: Any number of people not you do. |
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| 17:38.30 | EvanCarroll | did mwilson try to make another witty comment, and fail horrably? |
| 17:38.43 | mitten | I did aptitude dist-upgrade and it downloaded almost 176MB of packages. Then it ended stating building dependency tree successfully and could not lock cache file. what next am I supposed to do to get deb 3.1? |
| 17:38.43 | boogie | I just /ignored him. |
| 17:38.43 | EvanCarroll | enjoys the bliss that is /ignore |
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| 17:38.51 | Supaplex | !confuse sporkbomb |
| 17:38.52 | dpkg | Yes, what are your ferret yesterday, sporkbomb? wellies of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cream |
| 17:38.59 | boogie | he's better ignored. |
| 17:39.10 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: No, I merely pointed out your continued cluelessness in assuming that unwanted traffic can only come from external interfaces. |
| 17:39.12 | valdyn_ | mitten: if it cannot obtain a lock then another program is accessing that resource |
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| 17:39.39 | mfrisch | can I treat a software raid device like a regular disk: can I wipe it or cat /dev/urandom? |
| 17:39.45 | mitten | valdyn_: what else....I had stopped X and was on virtual console doing this. |
| 17:39.52 | drc | Supaplex: supaplex is a great game ;) |
| 17:40.08 | valdyn_ | mitten: so you had just basically crashed another instance of aptitude that was running? |
| 17:40.28 | mitten | I did nothing. I was infact away.... |
| 17:40.28 | bartden | hi, i need a tool like limewire on windows for searching mp3's any suggestions |
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| 17:40.39 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: yes, a software raid device shows us as a block device /dev/mdX, and all things that can be done to aregular disk can be done to the md device it works at a lower level |
| 17:40.48 | EvanCarroll | err that to mfrisch |
| 17:40.56 | mitten | there were few errors on console stating resource temporarily moved |
| 17:41.00 | mfrisch | bartden mldonkey is good, has web ui. |
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| 17:41.09 | mitten | is there a log that we can use to understand problem and take up from there... |
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| 17:41.19 | mfrisch | EvanCarroll THANKS |
| 17:41.27 | valdyn_ | mitten: in /var/log/ |
| 17:41.30 | mitten | or should I just retry aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 17:41.48 | mitten | I did check /var/log but could not understand where to llook....syslog may be? |
| 17:41.55 | mfrisch | mfrisch there are sooo many different ones |
| 17:41.57 | valdyn_ | mitten: or aptitude ? |
| 17:42.03 | rob_lt | Please correct me if I'm wrong, but synaptic and apt are both front ends to dpkg, and synaptic is _not_ a front-end for apt-get? Correct? |
| 17:42.19 | EvanCarroll | rob_lt: sort of. |
| 17:42.27 | gambler | anyone know how to use wget or curl to download an ASP.NET page that requires a form submit? Because there is a hidden field I think u need to include that data... |
| 17:42.27 | mitten | what aptitude? there is no such file or dir in /var/log... |
| 17:42.43 | valdyn_ | rob_lt: synaptic uses apt-get iirc |
| 17:42.45 | EvanCarroll | rob_lt: apt-get is a front end to dpkg, but it additionally downloads packages from a repos functionalty that can't be achived soley with a dpkg backend |
| 17:42.51 | valdyn_ | rob_lt: hence its a frontend to apt-get |
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| 17:42.55 | EvanCarroll | the dpkg banckend |
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| 17:43.29 | rob_lt | valdyn_, EvanCarroll: Thanks for the clarification. I thought that apt-get and synaptic were independent of each other, guess I was wrong :) |
| 17:43.34 | EvanCarroll | as valdyn_ said, synampic is simply a front end to apt-get, and it can do nothing more than apt-get |
| 17:44.09 | Supaplex | I wonder what India thinks of apt's super cow powers... |
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| 17:44.39 | mitten | valdyn_: what else....I dont know any thing else to check... |
| 17:44.42 | EvanCarroll | I have often wondered where that comment stems from |
| 17:44.54 | mwilson | When did synaptic become an apt-get front-end? |
| 17:45.16 | drc | Supaplex: it's public domain? what do you mean |
| 17:45.25 | EvanCarroll | there used to be a hacker community called the Colt of the Dead Cow, CDC they created the back orifice 'toolset', i have to wonder if those guys were responsible for apt in anyway shape or form |
| 17:45.28 | MDC | tip of any good bittorrent tracker server software? |
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| 17:45.43 | valdyn_ | mitten: /var/log/dpkg.log ( only if you are using debian > sarge ), /var/log/aptitude, rerun aptitude, run apttitude strace ( man strance ) |
| 17:46.11 | valdyn_ | mitten: ops, last few should be: run aptitude with strance ( and read 'man strance' ) |
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| 17:46.33 | valdyn_ | mwilson: i thought it was, hence the 'iirc' |
| 17:46.48 | mwilson | valdyn_: It's not, no more than aptitude is. |
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| 17:47.05 | mwilson | valdyn_: Or no more than dselect is. |
| 17:47.07 | mitten | valdyn_: I dont see dpkg log either... |
| 17:47.07 | asuffield | EvanCarroll: we are aware of no link between Culus and the CDC |
| 17:47.08 | rob_lt | That's what I thought, but wasn't sure. |
| 17:47.25 | mwilson | rob_lt: *all* the tools use libapt. |
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| 17:47.43 | valdyn_ | mwilson: alright, seeing libapt-pkg-... in the depends ) |
| 17:47.52 | EvanCarroll | asuffield: just hairbrain speculation, the Super Cow powers seems to be a strong link to me, unless a a cow has some other cultish significance |
| 17:47.56 | mwilson | rob_lt: apt-get was originally coded as a demonstration of that library. It's a low-level tool. |
| 17:48.04 | asuffield | no, Culus is just a cow, that's all |
| 17:48.22 | rob_lt | mwilson, that makes sense. Thanks. |
| 17:48.26 | valdyn_ | mitten: i did write that you might not see that. |
| 17:49.08 | mitten | valdyn_: strace seems to be not very understandable choice for me....I guess I will do dist-upgrade again and see if it moves on.... |
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| 17:50.50 | Supaplex | drc: it's actually freeware. just google for supaplex and download it. slap it on a dos disk and enjoy. :) |
| 17:50.59 | linuxglobal | hello |
| 17:51.00 | x-Al1gma | hello linuxglobal |
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| 17:51.37 | Himura | yop |
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| 17:51.44 | linuxglobal | speak espanis |
| 17:51.51 | Supaplex | !es |
| 17:51.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:52.18 | drc | Supaplex: yeah, but how can I get to play it? |
| 17:52.21 | eonblue | i hate dependencies |
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| 17:52.30 | sporkbomb | eonblue: that depends |
| 17:52.49 | drc | Supaplex: I loved it at those times, heh |
| 17:52.49 | eonblue | i need gtk, but i need libglib first, but libglib needs something else which needs pango which need something |
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| 17:52.53 | eonblue | its annoying |
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| 17:53.21 | eonblue | it shouldnt take 45 minutes to get everything you need to install a damn chat client |
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| 17:53.33 | EvanCarroll | eonblue: thats what debs take care of |
| 17:53.34 | azzazus | hello |
| 17:53.35 | x-Al1gma | hello azzazus |
| 17:53.58 | EvanCarroll | eonblue: it doens't if you would type 'apt-get isntall chatclient' you would find it would go out and satisfy all of the dependencies |
| 17:54.00 | eonblue | EvanCarroll: i hope youre not talking about the stupid aptitude application |
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| 17:54.07 | valdyn_ | eonblue: so why dont you just apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 ? |
| 17:54.17 | Supaplex | drc: I don't know what else to do for you. google supaplex, follow the download page, and go from there. it might work in a dos emulator, or just slap it on a dos disk and shove it in a slow computer. (I have a 386 for just this occasion) |
| 17:54.19 | drc | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gtk&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 17:54.28 | drc | eonblue: try that |
| 17:54.41 | EvanCarroll | eonblue: ... aptitutde, dselect, synaptic, kynaptic, apt-get, any APT tool |
| 17:54.57 | eonblue | COULD NOT GET LOCK /VAR/LIB/DPKG |
| 17:54.59 | drc | Supaplex: I was just wondering how could I get it to work, there was nothing about playing it under linux in the page, I checked it |
| 17:54.59 | azzazus | i'm doing research on what open source and i find that it's pretty similar to stallman's "free software", so i was wondering since open source license is similar to debian stuff, what are the differeces between open source and free software |
| 17:55.03 | eonblue | is what i get when i try to use apt-get |
| 17:55.10 | EvanCarroll | eonblue: your already using an apt tool then |
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| 17:55.17 | Phated | Are you root? |
| 17:55.18 | eonblue | i dont see one open |
| 17:55.21 | valdyn_ | eonblue: so dont ttry to run 2 instances at once , or be root if you arent. |
| 17:55.21 | eonblue | i have one terminal open |
| 17:55.22 | eonblue | yes |
| 17:55.28 | EvanCarroll | eonblue: you have a copy of synaptic/kynaptic/apt-get/dselect already open |
| 17:55.31 | Supaplex | drc: I never said it was a linux game. either try an emulator or a real dos disk. *g* |
| 17:55.39 | chandoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.47 | chandoo | i removed xfree86 |
| 17:55.51 | drc | Supaplex: I know it's not, because I used to play it! :/ |
| 17:55.59 | valdyn_ | chandoo: why did you? |
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| 17:56.02 | drc | Supaplex: gotta google for dos emulators then, thanks |
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| 17:56.17 | chandoo | valdyn_: Xorg is better than xfree86 |
| 17:56.28 | Supaplex | better is relative |
| 17:56.52 | EvanCarroll | I would agree with 'better' in that case, however much i usually despise that word |
| 17:56.52 | cahoot | truism? |
| 17:56.53 | drc | valdyn_: xorg = x.org |
| 17:56.58 | drc | just wanted to mention that |
| 17:57.03 | valdyn_ | drc: i know. |
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| 17:57.32 | valdyn_ | drc: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:57.39 | valdyn_ | drc: ops |
| 17:57.45 | valdyn_ | chandoo: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:57.49 | chandoo | i am searching through apt-cache i couldnt able to find |
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| 17:58.11 | chandoo | i installed debian just now for the first time |
| 17:58.14 | g00se | Why after adding a user through Gnome Sarge would i be unable to log on? (logon dialog empties and reshows) |
| 17:58.15 | chandoo | it is 3.1 |
| 17:58.33 | EvanCarroll | valdyn_: there is a util for that 'debianversion' |
| 17:58.35 | hydragyru1 | whats a good IRC client? |
| 17:58.35 | valdyn_ | chandoo: stick to xfree86, its not like you would notice a difference ( most likely ) |
| 17:58.39 | eonblue | is there an apt-get for firefox? |
| 17:58.46 | sporkbomb | hydragyru1: irssi |
| 17:58.49 | defcon8 | eonblue, wtf=? |
| 17:58.57 | jd|laptop | eonblue, /msg dpkg firefox |
| 17:58.59 | cahoot | eonblue: tried apt-cache search? |
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| 17:59.08 | hydragyru1 | eonblue, its apt-get mozilla-firefox |
| 17:59.13 | eonblue | ive been using gentoo for a few years |
| 17:59.16 | eonblue | im not familiar with apt |
| 17:59.25 | chandoo | vadldyn_: so xorg is not possible? |
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| 17:59.36 | EvanCarroll | hydragyru1: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 17:59.43 | eonblue | thanks |
| 17:59.59 | valdyn_ | chandoo: i didnt say that, but its pointless for you to undertake that hassle, unless you know a good reason ( 'better' is not one ) |
| 18:00.00 | holo | hi anyone can help me witha lazarus and unrm? |
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| 18:00.33 | hydragyru1 | evancarrol, thanks |
| 18:00.59 | valdyn_ | !unrm |
| 18:01.00 | chandoo | so far i have been using fedora with xorg, so i am wondering if it is possible to install |
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| 18:01.28 | EvanCarroll | chandoo: xorg should be on the etch mirrors now |
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| 18:01.53 | holo | valdyn_, this is a recovery tool part of the tct package |
| 18:01.56 | Supaplex | does kde need something additional to play ogg internally? the control center plays the test sound just fine, but none of the notifications |
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| 18:02.26 | magyar | is there a way to grep a gziped log file for a string without unzipping it? |
| 18:02.27 | Smerdyakov | I'm trying to set up ulimits for ssh logins. I think I want to restrict memory and CPU usage. I see a number of different limits I can set in /etc/security/limits.conf. Is there one of them that is safe to use as an overall memory limiter? |
| 18:02.35 | Supaplex | magyar: zgrep |
| 18:02.35 | chandoo | EvanCarroll: how to get from etch mirrors |
| 18:02.46 | chandoo | EvanCarroll: i am new lol |
| 18:02.56 | sporkbomb | chandoo: you need to READ |
| 18:03.00 | magyar | Supaplex:thank you kindly |
| 18:03.00 | sporkbomb | please, chandoo |
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| 18:03.38 | chandoo | ok |
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| 18:03.45 | sporkbomb | chandoo: thanks |
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| 18:04.22 | EvanCarroll | !tell chandoo about etch |
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| 18:04.56 | sporkbomb | EvanCarroll: do you usually recommend testing to beginners? |
| 18:05.05 | wers | i ran apt-get install ipopd, to get a pop3 server, but i cant connect with a systemuser login,, do I need to add specific users, and how |
| 18:05.07 | wers | ? |
| 18:05.13 | witch | which is the best identd for irc connections? waht about slidentd? |
| 18:05.28 | valentinos | where i can find some info on compiling a kernel adn are there any tools on debian to make things easier? |
| 18:05.31 | Smerdyakov | witch, whichever one is the default has always worked well for me! |
| 18:05.46 | Stereo | witch: it doesn't matter, ident is a protocol that is obsolete and sucks. Get any that works. |
| 18:05.54 | asuffield | there is no reason at all for using ident |
| 18:06.00 | asuffield | remove all traces of it |
| 18:06.01 | EvanCarroll | sporkbomb: when the beginners explicitly ask for a package not in stable, and the alternative is them building it themselves... |
| 18:06.05 | sporkbomb | valentinos: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 18:06.13 | Smerdyakov | asuffield, that's ridiculous. The PostgreSQL ident authentication method is very useful. |
| 18:06.19 | witch | Stereo: some dialin-users cannot connect to irc without |
| 18:06.34 | asuffield | Smerdyakov: it is completely insecure and thusly pointless |
| 18:06.40 | Stereo | witch: still? |
| 18:06.42 | Smerdyakov | asuffield, how is it insecure? |
| 18:06.52 | witch | yes |
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| 18:06.55 | valentinos | \thanks sporkbomb |
| 18:06.59 | EvanCarroll | sporkbomb: I guess it would have been better on part to suggeset the sarge backport of xorg, but either works |
| 18:07.08 | asuffield | Smerdyakov: umm, ident doesn't authenticate the user at all. anybody can claim to be any user they like |
| 18:07.09 | Stereo | witch: get any identd if it's just for irc. Pick one at random. And if you can manage without, do without. |
| 18:07.26 | sporkbomb | valentinos: np...just for future knowledge...all I did to find that link was google "debian custom kernel" ... google is awesome for stuff like this :-) |
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| 18:07.35 | Smerdyakov | asuffield, even if you control every ident server PostgreSQL will accept information from? |
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| 18:07.57 | sporkbomb | EvanCarroll: true that o(^_^)o |
| 18:08.10 | asuffield | Smerdyakov: if you control all that, plus the entire network between them, you don't *need* to authenticate users |
| 18:08.30 | sporkbomb | EvanCarroll: besides...it might be good for actually learning something. |
| 18:08.30 | witch | Stereo: It is not for me. Beside the I have not seen something about IRC only in the package descriptions |
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| 18:08.39 | Smerdyakov | asuffield, you need some way of matching processes with principals, and ident provides that. |
| 18:09.02 | Smerdyakov | asuffield, perhaps you could build a nicer integrated solution, but ident works quite well, and it works out-of-the-apt-box. |
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| 18:09.35 | asuffield | Smerdyakov: password auth, and null passwords. identical security, and less to go wrong |
| 18:09.35 | Supaplex | ssl md5 auth is perferred in Pg over ident any day :) imo |
| 18:09.44 | witch | but the s*ident packages do not conflict with harden |
| 18:10.08 | asuffield | Supaplex: local unix auth if you can possibly manage it |
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| 18:10.11 | Smerdyakov | asuffield, no, not authentical... it requires extra passwords, when you set up your database daemon to only allow local connections. |
| 18:10.18 | Smerdyakov | s/authentical/identical |
| 18:10.23 | asuffield | Smerdyakov: if you're only using local connections then you don't need ident |
| 18:10.34 | Supaplex | if you really want to be up tight about issues over ident, use iptables and only poke holes for servers you want to ident you. reject all others. |
| 18:10.43 | wers | how do i configure local mail-delivery? |
| 18:10.54 | asuffield | Supaplex: that's no defense against new hosts attached to the network |
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| 18:11.05 | Smerdyakov | asuffield, in theory you don't, but you would need to modify the Postgres config to avoid it, even though ident works just fine and also provides other benefits, like allowing users to IRC. |
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| 18:11.14 | crn | i misconfigured exim during installation. what is the dpkg-reconfigure argument i need? depkg-reconfigure ??? |
| 18:11.24 | asuffield | Smerdyakov: the default postgres config needs no modification |
| 18:11.36 | asuffield | and ident is not required for IRC, except on a handful of broken networks |
| 18:11.44 | wers | crn Thats it.. dpkg-reconfigure (packetname) |
| 18:11.47 | boogie | crn: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 18:11.59 | RAfael | hi |
| 18:12.04 | crn | boogie, thanks |
| 18:12.07 | Smerdyakov | asuffield, I think Freenode is broken, then! :D |
| 18:12.21 | asuffield | Smerdyakov: I do not run any ident anywhere. I am here. |
| 18:12.33 | Smerdyakov | asuffield, I think I've been denied because of lack of ident response. |
| 18:12.41 | wers | I want to be able to recieve mail , me@localhost where do i staret? |
| 18:12.43 | wers | start? |
| 18:12.46 | RAfael | my sound card stoped... please someone help me |
| 18:13.03 | asuffield | Smerdyakov: never been like that in the past. would be rather silly, because all it does is annoy users |
| 18:13.04 | kicker | will like to enable autohit, what is the package to reconfigure? |
| 18:13.09 | wers | RAfael dpkg-reconfigure alsa |
| 18:13.13 | me_here | RAfael: what happened exactly ? |
| 18:13.21 | amphi | Smerdyakov: if you have yr firewall REJECT rather than DROP ident requests, that can help |
| 18:13.22 | RAfael | I dont know |
| 18:13.29 | sporkbomb | RAfael: perhaps you could be a little more specific? How are these people suppose to help when you say, "hey, I shit my pants"? |
| 18:13.33 | sporkbomb | hehe |
| 18:13.35 | crn | vers, i needed the package name. there are lots of exim packages listed |
| 18:13.36 | kicker | fonts autohit |
| 18:13.41 | Smerdyakov | amphi, I think it may be the action of a firewall that is beyond my control (at work). |
| 18:13.41 | valdyn_ | Smerdyakov: /msg nickserv help |
| 18:14.03 | Smerdyakov | valdyn_, eh? |
| 18:14.05 | RAfael | I wil see the model |
| 18:14.15 | RAfael | I am not sure abou t what hapened |
| 18:14.15 | me_here | RAfael: just tell us what you did last operating on the settings of your config or modules or like that |
| 18:14.22 | RAfael | thank you for now |
| 18:14.27 | valdyn_ | Smerdyakov: thats all that is done on authentication here.. useing nickserv |
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| 18:14.50 | amphi | Smerdyakov: ah |
| 18:14.59 | bartden | hi, anyone here who knows how i can patch my dsdt table (acpi) to my kernel |
| 18:15.05 | Smerdyakov | valdyn_, I guarantee you that at least one Freenode server has denied me connection because of some ident-related thing. |
| 18:15.19 | sporkbomb | RAfael: was it after an upgrade or kernel compile? |
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| 18:15.31 | me_here | sporkbomb: he's away |
| 18:15.35 | me_here | sporkbomb: he's gone |
| 18:15.41 | me_here | sporkbomb: he's lost |
| 18:15.42 | me_here | lol |
| 18:15.46 | me_here | prolly |
| 18:16.16 | sporkbomb | I must have scared him off...I was only joking around about the, "hey, I shit my pants" comment |
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| 18:16.32 | dimm0k | currently have Twinview set up on a notebook's LCD and an external monitor with a nvidia video card... how do i go about setting a custom modeline for the external monitor? |
| 18:16.43 | wers | damn it,, i need help with ipopd! |
| 18:16.47 | me_here | sporkbomb: did you have any problems running gnome after an upgrade ? |
| 18:17.23 | me_here | sporkbomb: cause i don't get a clean gnome-session when i start it, only if i'm root |
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| 18:18.16 | me_here | sporkbomb: i'm not sure if i should have an gshadow in /etc |
| 18:18.29 | sporkbomb | me_here: That's strange. If you don't have any important prefs set, you could wipe out all your .gnome, .gconf, .nautilus, or any gnome-related hidden directories |
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| 18:19.00 | me_here | sporkbomb: thx, i'll do that |
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| 18:22.37 | harleyg | is ia64 for amd64? |
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| 18:22.47 | Anders | no |
| 18:22.51 | Anders | ia64 is for intel itanium |
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| 18:22.55 | Anders | another architecture |
| 18:23.07 | harleyg | ok |
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| 18:23.10 | harleyg | whats amd64 then? |
| 18:23.23 | Anders | amd64 is for amd64 |
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| 18:23.28 | harleyg | oh ok |
| 18:23.36 | harleyg | debian isnt for amd64 then? |
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| 18:24.45 | sporkbomb | harleyg: http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/ |
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| 18:24.52 | lamp_ | hi i have a problem when i start my pc. GDM doesn't start but when i install de nvidia driver again with the nvidia-installer it works fine until the next reboot |
| 18:25.11 | harleyg | mm thats not very good is it |
| 18:25.11 | harleyg | :) |
| 18:25.19 | mentor | lamp_: Do you need to make the nvidia driver load at boot? |
| 18:25.19 | prock | lamp_: add nvidia to /etc/modules |
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| 18:25.45 | eonbleuz | how might i get a usb optical mouse to work in xf86? |
| 18:26.00 | lamp_ | mentor, i will see |
| 18:26.03 | eonbleuz | like what protocol and dev do i use |
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| 18:26.05 | wobbler | harleyg: http://amd64.debian.net/ |
| 18:26.08 | prock | eonbluez: does `lsusb` show anything? |
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| 18:26.28 | lamp_ | mentor, no it's not |
| 18:26.34 | bartden | hi, anyone here who knows how i can patch my dsdt table (acpi) to my kernel |
| 18:26.44 | harleyg | ok cool thanks |
| 18:26.47 | eonbleuz | its shows on bus2 Creative Labs |
| 18:26.59 | eonbleuz | 001 shows 0000 and so does 003 |
| 18:27.29 | SerajewelKS | eonbleuz, type 'cat /dev/input/mice' and move the mouse around... does a bunch of garbage get displayed? |
| 18:27.46 | SerajewelKS | eonbleuz, might need to be root |
| 18:28.04 | eonbleuz | SerajewelKS, yes it does |
| 18:28.10 | wers | ..i use /dev/psaux and ImPS/2 on my optical mouse |
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| 18:28.36 | SerajewelKS | eonbleuz, open /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 18:28.37 | prock | wers, eonbleuz : either /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux should work ok |
| 18:28.46 | SerajewelKS | eonbleuz, look for a "Pointer" block |
| 18:29.03 | prock | (or InputDevice) |
| 18:29.11 | wers | maby add a corepointer if u have several. like a touchpad |
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| 18:29.30 | eonbleuz | looking |
| 18:29.39 | drac | XF86Config is for XFree 3.x |
| 18:29.41 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: eonbleuz: do not edit the file by hand /msg dpkg drxx and read what dpkg says |
| 18:29.41 | wers | why wont teapopd let me login? |
| 18:29.43 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 18:29.44 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:29.53 | prock | xorg.conf for Xorg |
| 18:30.05 | imod | hi all |
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| 18:30.15 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, the only way to get my particular config to work is to edit it by hand |
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| 18:30.30 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: you sure have some odd hardware then |
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| 18:30.40 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, twinview on nvidia geforce |
| 18:31.11 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: you sure drxx does not do the trick? |
| 18:31.22 | eonbleuz | right now the protocol is PS/2 and the Device is /dev/psaux |
| 18:31.24 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: or is that a dualhead? |
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| 18:31.26 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, trust me. it took me about two hours just to find the info on google. |
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| 18:31.34 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, yes |
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| 18:31.51 | Paralla1 | ca anyone help me to get the sound working ? |
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| 18:31.57 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: ok. you mentioning google kinda hints you have some idea on what you are doing |
| 18:31.59 | EvilSporkMan | i am having problems burning DVDs from ISOs - the first one generally works fine if I do it at 4x, but subsequent burns fail either in the middle with "input/output error" or at the beginning with "resource temporarily unavailable". the media is imation 8x dvd+rs |
| 18:32.05 | shingouz | Paralla1: ask on the channel |
| 18:32.16 | EvilSporkMan | the behavior is about the same on knoppix 3.9 |
| 18:32.16 | SerajewelKS | !tell Paralla1 about ask to ask |
| 18:32.20 | Paralla1 | shingouz: what channel? |
| 18:32.28 | shingouz | Paralla1: here |
| 18:32.36 | shingouz | !tell Paralla1 about ask |
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| 18:32.42 | Paralla1 | shingouz: ??? |
| 18:32.47 | shingouz | !ask |
| 18:32.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:32.48 | Paralla1 | thats what i´m doing |
| 18:32.53 | lamp_ | mentor, its not the solution for my nvidia problem. |
| 18:32.57 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, i just did !tell ;) |
| 18:32.59 | Paralla1 | ok |
| 18:33.06 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: yes but this is sunday |
| 18:33.12 | sporkbomb | hehe |
| 18:33.19 | shingouz | !sing sunday |
| 18:33.19 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 18:33.54 | hydragyru1 | whats the command for deleting a file |
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| 18:34.01 | SerajewelKS | hydragyru1, rm |
| 18:34.05 | hydragyru1 | thanks |
| 18:34.05 | yang | Which is a good linux certification project for debian users? |
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| 18:34.11 | rm | hi |
| 18:34.12 | wers | hydragyru1 rm .rf |
| 18:34.20 | SerajewelKS | yang, not getting chewed out by the #debian regulars |
| 18:34.26 | Paralla1 | I have a problem with the sound; I'm running Debian version unstable. when I try to play music I get the following output no sound card found. I expected it to play music. :) |
| 18:34.32 | opqdonut | any ion users? how can i make a keybinding with multiple modifiers? "Mod4+control+"... ? |
| 18:34.53 | SerajewelKS | !tell Paralla1 about unstable |
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| 18:35.03 | Stereo | yang: maintaining a small package. There are some orphan packages you could adopt. |
| 18:35.09 | wers | Paralla1 U have all the modules loaded? alsa installed and user in group audio? |
| 18:35.10 | rm-r | hi |
| 18:35.25 | shingouz | Paralla1: first of all, why the hell are you running unstable, second: what card do you have |
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| 18:35.38 | adsadsad | hi all |
| 18:35.41 | wers | shingouz ... u preger testing? |
| 18:35.42 | EvilSporkMan | linux certification project? |
| 18:35.44 | wers | prefer |
| 18:35.49 | shingouz | !u |
| 18:35.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:35.50 | terr | I have an apt-get problem. While trying to install KDevelop I got this: Err ftp://ftp.debian.org sarge/main libxcursor-dev 1.1.3-1 Connection Timeout. How do I correct this? |
| 18:35.55 | adsadsad | in which package is /sbin/start-stop-deamon ? |
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| 18:36.02 | CVirus | what are the needed arguments to tar.gz some files ? |
| 18:36.05 | EvilSporkMan | adsadsad: apt-file search start-stop-daemon |
| 18:36.12 | shingouz | wers: i prefer to recommend a version that is useable by the user |
| 18:36.13 | adsadsad | :) |
| 18:36.15 | EvilSporkMan | CVirus: man tar |
| 18:36.17 | Paralla1 | shingouz: I have an nvidia sound card integrated with the chipset nforce3 |
| 18:36.18 | adsadsad | thank you |
| 18:36.22 | abrotman | stew: do NOT go out riding :) |
| 18:36.22 | wers | terr server ofline. maby , add anotjer mirror |
| 18:36.24 | glick | sporkbomb, you want my working vimrc file |
| 18:36.24 | glick | ? |
| 18:36.31 | CVirus | EvanCarroll, will u please me give the arguments ? |
| 18:36.34 | wers | shingouz .. ahh. |
| 18:36.36 | CVirus | EvanCarroll, its urgetn |
| 18:36.37 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:36.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:36.37 | Paralla1 | shingouz: ALSA installed ans user inside group soud |
| 18:36.39 | CVirus | urgent* |
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| 18:36.41 | mentor | lamp_: Still there? |
| 18:36.43 | Rich43 | How do i build the DB to get locate working? |
| 18:36.45 | abrotman | CVirus: man tar |
| 18:36.46 | EvilSporkMan | CVirus, will you please read the documentation? |
| 18:37.09 | CVirus | okay .. thanks |
| 18:37.10 | PeterB | Rich43: updatedb IIRC. |
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| 18:37.13 | Rich43 | tnx |
| 18:37.19 | abrotman | it's amazing how you'd know how to unpack a tar.gz .. but not make one :) |
| 18:37.21 | terr | wers no - just a timout on that file. THe issue is that everything else seems to be ok _ I think I need to fix this. How? |
| 18:37.44 | EvilSporkMan | what really drives me nuts is archives without top-level directories |
| 18:37.49 | shingouz | Paralla1: i have no idea about the nvidia stuff |
| 18:38.03 | SerajewelKS | EvanCarroll, that's why you do tar -t before unpacking ;) |
| 18:38.11 | wers | terr did you run apt-get update first? |
| 18:38.16 | EvilSporkMan | speaking of which, what's a good technique to transform a file containing a list of file names into command-line parameters for, say, rm? |
| 18:38.24 | SerajewelKS | s/EvanCarroll/EvilSporkMan/ |
| 18:38.27 | Paralla1 | shingouz: just tell me where to start reading or something , please |
| 18:38.29 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: xargs ? |
| 18:38.32 | PeterB | EvilSporkMan: xargs |
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| 18:38.35 | terr | wers why would I? I'm doing an install. |
| 18:38.39 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman, PeterB: will look into it |
| 18:38.45 | SerajewelKS | EvilSporkMan, xargs or `` |
| 18:38.48 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: man xargs ! .. read it! |
| 18:39.01 | shingouz | Paralla1: i do not know where to get the stuff for nvidia sound as i already told you |
| 18:39.04 | wers | terr so u get the latest packetnames in your apt-cache |
| 18:39.10 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:39.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:39.11 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: that's what i'm doing |
| 18:39.14 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: man xargs ! .. read it! |
| 18:39.16 | Paralla1 | ok , thanks |
| 18:39.17 | SerajewelKS | EvilSporkMan, e.g., some-command | xargs foo is about the same as foo `some-command` |
| 18:39.17 | mops | I ran mkfs.ext3 -j -b 4096 -c -c -v /dev/hdd1 and had to interrupt it(I had to reboot) |
| 18:39.19 | terr | IC. |
| 18:39.22 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: just READ .. jeez ! |
| 18:39.23 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:39.30 | shingouz | Paralla1: google? or sit here and ask the channel again in an hour or so, someone should know |
| 18:39.30 | mops | and when I reboot my disk was more full - about 3-4 GB |
| 18:39.31 | EvilSporkMan | !brick abrotman |
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| 18:39.36 | abrotman | !fish EvilSporkMan |
| 18:39.37 | mops | HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE, please help me! |
| 18:39.46 | mops | I need this space! |
| 18:39.59 | SerajewelKS | Paralla1, what's your question? |
| 18:40.00 | abrotman | mops: don't interrupt the mkfs ? |
| 18:40.07 | shingouz | mops: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:40.17 | mops | I HAD to interrupt it :((( |
| 18:40.26 | shingouz | mops: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:40.30 | SerajewelKS | mops... run mkfs again...? |
| 18:40.30 | abrotman | mops: start it again |
| 18:40.31 | mops | shingouz: make etx3 fs on /dev/hdd1 it is another disk drive |
| 18:40.39 | Paralla1 | SerajewelKS: I dont have sound, I´m using debian unstable with alsa installed and a integrated soundcard nforce3 |
| 18:40.53 | mops | and then the space will be freed? |
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| 18:40.55 | shingouz | mops: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdd1 |
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| 18:41.10 | wers | Paralla1 alsaconf |
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| 18:41.18 | abrotman | mops: your filesystem is an "unknown" state .. fix it |
| 18:41.29 | mops | shingouz: I understand mkfs, but doesn't understand WHY there are 3GB more... |
| 18:41.35 | Paralla1 | wers: what is alsaconf ? |
| 18:41.35 | EvilSporkMan | what's the proper interval for repeating a question in here? |
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| 18:41.39 | SerajewelKS | mops, if the mkfs didn't finish, the partition contains nothing, even if it says it contains 3gb |
| 18:41.44 | mops | abrotman: I did so already |
| 18:41.48 | wers | Paralla1 A config util for the ALSA server |
| 18:41.56 | mops | abrotman: in cfdisk I can see "unpartitioned space" |
| 18:41.58 | EvilSporkMan | Paralla1: apt-cache search alsaconf |
| 18:42.05 | Rich43 | I downloaded qc-usb-source but I cant find the source. I normally download the tar.gz but I decided to get the package from synaptic. |
| 18:42.05 | abrotman | mops: your filesystem is an "unknown" state .. fix it |
| 18:42.13 | Rich43 | Any idea where it puts it? |
| 18:42.13 | mops | no don't understand me! |
| 18:42.13 | abrotman | mops: you interrupted the damn thing .. |
| 18:42.18 | Paralla1 | installing |
| 18:42.23 | mops | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:42.31 | mops | as /dev/hda2 - in there is 3 GB more |
| 18:42.32 | abrotman | mops: how about if i put your car back together after half fixing your fuel pump ? |
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| 18:42.45 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: there are no real limits but.. well.. when you think that there are enough people who have not seen your question the first time |
| 18:42.56 | mops | abrotman: sorry, but I HAD TO, I didn't want, but I HAD... :((( |
| 18:43.07 | abrotman | mops: boot a liveCD .. check the systems |
| 18:43.08 | shingouz | mops: and PLEASE do not YELL |
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| 18:43.12 | abrotman | err filesystems |
| 18:43.17 | EvilSporkMan | ow, my ears...cut it out =P |
| 18:43.28 | shingouz | i am getting eyecancer |
| 18:43.32 | mops | abrotman: I don't understand me... |
| 18:43.37 | mops | my system is healthy |
| 18:43.40 | SerajewelKS | mops, we don't either ;) |
| 18:43.49 | mops | and my /dev/hdd1 is healthy too now |
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| 18:43.58 | abrotman | mops: i don't understand you either |
| 18:44.04 | mops | but I have in /dev/hda2 3 GB MORE occupied space |
| 18:44.07 | mops | that's the problem |
| 18:44.12 | SerajewelKS | mops, boot off of a floppy or something... and fsck /dev/hda2 |
| 18:44.16 | shingouz | abrotman: only if it is powered but a somewhat higher voltage. which would be a good idea on some coputers |
| 18:44.23 | mops | I have 2 drives - /dev/hda, /dev/hdd - /dev/hda1,2,3 |
| 18:44.27 | SerajewelKS | mops, one sec |
| 18:44.30 | mops | and /dev/hdd unpartitioned now |
| 18:44.45 | abrotman | !flw37 is <mops> abrotman: I don't understand me... |
| 18:44.46 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 18:44.46 | wers | mops .. ya boot a rescuekernel and run fsck |
| 18:45.02 | PeterB | !abrotman++ |
| 18:45.02 | shingouz | !beer abrotman |
| 18:45.06 | mops | abrotman: LOOL, sorry, my tipo |
| 18:45.08 | abrotman | mops: you need to run fsck on your filesystems |
| 18:45.13 | abrotman | mops: all of them |
| 18:45.15 | mops | abrotman, ok |
| 18:45.15 | harleyg | are there any small linux os built for phones? |
| 18:45.20 | mops | thanks a lot |
| 18:45.23 | abrotman | harleyg: yes |
| 18:45.25 | Paralla1 | wers: I installed alsa-utils and I think configured it, but the mixer stills shows no devices found !!! |
| 18:45.31 | shingouz | harleyg: google for it is my best answer |
| 18:45.33 | mops | and fsck with which options? |
| 18:45.35 | wers | harleyg .. yes. plenty |
| 18:45.45 | harleyg | for symbian 60 phones |
| 18:45.48 | EvilSporkMan | what does flw stand for? |
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| 18:45.54 | wers | Paralla1 and scanpci? |
| 18:45.55 | PeterB | EvilSporkMan: Famous last words. |
| 18:46.03 | abrotman | !flw |
| 18:46.03 | dpkg | well, flw16 is < try_catch_this> because command line should stay back in the days of dos |
| 18:46.08 | shingouz | Paralla1: lspci, not scanpci |
| 18:46.18 | EvilSporkMan | er, re: flw25, what's wrong with ntpdate? |
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| 18:46.25 | abrotman | !flw25 |
| 18:46.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flw25 is <nvz> greycat: I dont need it to constantly check it, my clocks are all reliable enough.. some may have dead batteries or incompetant 2nd os's but that can be fixed with /etc/init.d/ntpdate running at startup |
| 18:46.38 | SerajewelKS | mops, you still there? |
| 18:46.46 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: what if ntp won't sync ? |
| 18:46.47 | Paralla1 | wers: 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1) |
| 18:46.51 | mops | yes I am |
| 18:46.55 | biro | if I want to apt-get install be a command like "install" what i have to do? |
| 18:46.55 | abrotman | !nvsound |
| 18:46.56 | dpkg | somebody said nvsound was nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 18:47.07 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: then the clock's off |
| 18:47.10 | harleyg | google cant find any |
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| 18:47.12 | wers | Paralla1 btw do you have discover installed? |
| 18:47.12 | harleyg | :| |
| 18:47.24 | wers | biro an alias |
| 18:47.28 | mops | serajewelks: I'm here |
| 18:47.29 | EvilSporkMan | biro: you mean you want to type "install" instead of "apt-get install"? bad idea, there's already a command called install |
| 18:47.43 | SerajewelKS | mops, do this as root: tune2fs -C 100 /dev/hda2 |
| 18:47.46 | Paralla1 | yes |
| 18:47.47 | g00se | mops: not in tmp by any chance? |
| 18:47.58 | SerajewelKS | mops, then reboot. this should force fsck to check the partition when it's booting. |
| 18:48.07 | mops | thx a lot |
| 18:48.13 | wers | Paralla1 and lsmod shows soundcore? |
| 18:48.14 | shingouz | harleyg: if you are looking for something as easy to install as debian i think you are SOL. those are embedded things and you have to hack the new os in them. not simple and nothing for beginners |
| 18:48.20 | biro | ok i'll call it "instalar" (spanish) |
| 18:48.22 | SerajewelKS | mops, if there's still 3gb used, then... 3gb is used somewhere and you'll have to find it =) |
| 18:48.26 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: some people say that's bad :) |
| 18:48.34 | mops | ok |
| 18:48.35 | abrotman | !flw |
| 18:48.35 | dpkg | i guess flw7 is <nickv111> I use unstable and have never run into problems |
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| 18:48.47 | EvilSporkMan | my /home partition is reiserfs, large (206 G), and takes forever to mount...is that just fscking? |
| 18:48.54 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: they're supposed to be things you would say right before it all hits the fan .. get it ? |
| 18:49.12 | Paralla1 | snd_intel8x0 33068 1 |
| 18:49.20 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: yes, i understand concept of "famous last words"...have i not managed to convince you I'm a native speaker of english yet? |
| 18:49.25 | harleyg | link for SOL? |
| 18:49.27 | harleyg | :) |
| 18:49.38 | abrotman | !qotd114 |
| 18:49.38 | dpkg | from memory, qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 18:49.41 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: :) |
| 18:49.44 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: abrotman is very hard to convince. besides it is sunday now |
| 18:49.57 | abrotman | shingouz: and i'm all messed up .. i went for a bike ride .. and forgot water :) |
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| 18:50.04 | Paralla1 | snd_ac97_codec 59268 1 snd_intel8x |
| 18:50.06 | abrotman | shingouz: i'm a little groggy still |
| 18:50.08 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman is also always here...i always feel like a n00b when i come in =( |
| 18:50.11 | shingouz | abrotman: that is bad then |
| 18:50.17 | abrotman | shingouz: yes ... |
| 18:50.20 | Paralla1 | soundcore 9824 2 snd ||||||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 18:50.20 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: i am not .. |
| 18:50.20 | shingouz | abrotman: lives here |
| 18:50.22 | wers | Paralla1 then discover should load soundcore too |
| 18:50.27 | abrotman | i do not |
| 18:50.27 | SerajewelKS | EvilSporkMan, abrotman does that to people... just ignore |
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| 18:50.34 | shingouz | abrotman: do too |
| 18:50.40 | abrotman | shingouz: you're here more than i am! |
| 18:50.47 | shingouz | i am? :o |
| 18:50.52 | abrotman | shingouz: but that's just cause you don't log off .. do you ? |
| 18:50.53 | swatikiss | what can you do with you computer when it boots up and all you get is "Li " insteed of the proper Lilo boot up screen ? |
| 18:50.55 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, shingouz doesn't make people feel like noobs |
| 18:51.02 | EvilSporkMan | swatikiss: doorstop! |
| 18:51.03 | abrotman | !tell swatikiss li |
| 18:51.05 | abrotman | !tell swatikiss about li |
| 18:51.14 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: you have not listened to me lately :p |
| 18:51.21 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: yes he does .. stick around more :) |
| 18:51.27 | wers | swatikiss . boot with the instll cd.. rescue =dev/hda? |
| 18:51.31 | Paralla1 | wers: what should I do then ?? |
| 18:51.33 | shingouz | abrotman: and logoff? what is that? |
| 18:51.34 | wers | and then run lilo again |
| 18:51.39 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i don't remember ever belittling you |
| 18:51.45 | abrotman | shingouz: i logoff :) |
| 18:51.48 | wers | Paralla1 try modprobe soundcore |
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| 18:51.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, believe me, you have =) |
| 18:52.02 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you deserved it .. whatever it was! |
| 18:52.11 | EvilSporkMan | any reason my case temperature would be warmer in general with a big intake fan on instead of off? |
| 18:52.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: if i don't talk in caps .. you're doing quite well :) |
| 18:52.24 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, yeah but just because someone deserves a beating doesn't mean you give it to them ;) |
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| 18:52.29 | wers | swatikiss rescue root=/dev/hda? |
| 18:52.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, that's good =) |
| 18:52.33 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: because it's 150F in your apt ? |
| 18:52.36 | lildude | no air exiting |
| 18:52.42 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: could be caused by too small intakes perhaps? |
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| 18:52.49 | Paralla1 | wers: it loads but no sound device again when I try to start the mixer |
| 18:52.54 | Lafy | how do i make ifconfig eth1 192.168.12.11 stick? |
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| 18:53.02 | shingouz | Lafy: man interfaces |
| 18:53.05 | zinx | Lafy: configure it in /etc/network/interfaces instead |
| 18:53.08 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: i usually find exhaust fans are better than intake .. but it also depends on case design and contents |
| 18:53.17 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: that's a big possibility...effort to force air though them would heat the air? |
| 18:53.21 | abrotman | !tell Lafy about interfaces |
| 18:53.25 | SerajewelKS | EvilSporkMan, how about installing A/C? |
| 18:53.31 | wers | Paralla1 u ran alsaconf? |
| 18:53.33 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: in the case? |
| 18:53.37 | EvilSporkMan | SerajewelKS: i'm 18 and living at home =P |
| 18:53.37 | abrotman | !tell wers about u |
| 18:53.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, sure... ;) |
| 18:53.51 | Paralla1 | wers: yes, and appears everything ok |
| 18:53.52 | zinx | EvilSporkMan: low pressure -> high pressure == warmer |
| 18:54.03 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: not exactly. the fan can only pull so much vacuum into the case. open up the intakes and the air should flow better. *should* |
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| 18:54.12 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: try reversing the fan ? |
| 18:54.34 | wers | Paralla1 try installing mpg123, and as root run mp123 mupp.mp3 |
| 18:54.40 | EvilSporkMan | isn't the idea to have more air going in than out and to filter the intake fans to prevent dust? |
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| 18:54.59 | lildude | no bad idea |
| 18:55.06 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: the idea is to get the air flowing in through the case |
| 18:55.13 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: depends on the placement of the fan |
| 18:55.19 | lildude | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.22 | EvilSporkMan | pic of the case appropriate? |
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| 18:55.34 | cahoot | EvilSporkMan: how would you manage to get more air into the case than comes out? |
| 18:55.35 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: sure! .. we llike pics .. don't forget to get a 'case girl' :) |
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| 18:55.48 | Paralla1 | wers: nothing |
| 18:55.51 | Paralla1 | I hear nothing |
| 18:56.02 | EvilSporkMan | cahoot: more intake fans than exhaust...i meant pressure |
| 18:56.04 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: you need to have the same intake area as the exhaust area. well, at least close enough |
| 18:56.08 | abrotman | did you use aumix or alsamixer to raise levels ? |
| 18:56.14 | wers | does it appear to be playing? no error messages? |
| 18:56.22 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: it is the flow, not anytyhing to do with pressure |
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| 18:56.40 | EvilSporkMan | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?image=11-148-024-01.jpg,11-148-024-02.jpg,11-148-024-03.jpg,11-148-024-04.jpg,11-148-024-08.jpg,11-148-024-06.jpg,11-148-024-07.jpg,11-148-024-05.jpg,11-148-024-10.jpg,11-148-024-11.jpg,11-148-024-12.jpg,11-148-024-09.jpg&CurImage=11-148-024-01.jpg&Description=LOGISYS%20Computer%20Janus%20CS605BK%20Black%20Steel%20ATX%20Mid%20Tower%20Computer%20Case%20480W%20Power%20Supply%20-%20Reta |
| 18:56.40 | EvilSporkMan | il - that's mesh on the side, that side fan is 80 mm intake and there's a 120 mm exhaust in the back - that's all stock. there is a grille and space for an intake fan behind that X in front - that's where i have the fan in question |
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| 18:56.45 | abrotman | what the fuck was that! |
| 18:56.52 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: tinyurl.com! |
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| 18:56.56 | PeterB | Ouch. |
| 18:56.56 | sporkbomb | EvilSporkMan: tinyurl.com |
| 18:56.58 | SerajewelKS | EvilSporkMan, ick, tinyurl |
| 18:56.58 | Paralla1 | wers: no errors |
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| 18:57.03 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: then paste again :) |
| 18:57.07 | abrotman | sincethat url is actually invalid |
| 18:57.10 | mwilson | You can't have more air coming in than is going out, unless you're trying to pressurize the case. |
| 18:57.19 | abrotman | mwilson: maybe he is :) |
| 18:57.24 | concept10 | elfurl.com |
| 18:57.27 | e-ogma | I'm having trouble umounting my Windows partition. it always sends me "device is busy" |
| 18:57.29 | wers | Paralla1 .. strange. |
| 18:57.34 | EvilSporkMan | http://tinyurl.com/dd3yk |
| 18:57.37 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: is the side almost open? |
| 18:57.37 | Paralla1 | wers: should I restart something ? |
| 18:57.40 | cahoot | mwilson: it will tend be rounder by time |
| 18:57.50 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, lsof | grep 'path-to-mountpoint' |
| 18:57.52 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: what the hell do you even need fans for? |
| 18:58.01 | e-ogma | with "lsof | grep winxp " I see that gam_server is using it |
| 18:58.07 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: the whole fucking side is open .. you can't direct air .. |
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| 18:58.11 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: yeah, air can flow freely. i have a filter on that 80 mm intake fan as well as the 120 mm i put in the front and currently have off |
| 18:58.12 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: there is the possibility that the air circulates from the exhaust fans back into the case |
| 18:58.18 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, so stop gam_server |
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| 18:58.26 | wers | Paralla1 .. well try a reboot if u want.. make sure u run addgrp audio (yourname) |
| 18:58.28 | SylvioAlves | Alguem pode me dar uma mao com a configuracao do meu teclado |
| 18:58.29 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: you only need exhaust fans in a case like that |
| 18:58.35 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: see the vents on the back .. that'd be the only place i would say is worth a fan |
| 18:58.39 | shingouz | !br |
| 18:58.40 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:58.49 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: there's a stock 120 mm exhaust fan through those vents =) |
| 18:58.56 | e-ogma | SerajewelKS, when I kill that process or even all gam_server processes it just comes up again |
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| 18:58.59 | Paralla1 | wers: I´m in side the group |
| 18:59.02 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: that should be more than enough |
| 18:59.03 | EvilSporkMan | and i'm running an athlon 64 3400+ in here...it gets hot |
| 18:59.06 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, what is gam_server? |
| 18:59.10 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: then get a bigger CPU fan |
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| 18:59.20 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: only exhaust fans, intakefans are a waste of time on a case like that. turn the intake fan around |
| 18:59.23 | wers | Paralla1 ,, well , a reboot is never bad... :) |
| 18:59.24 | EvilSporkMan | basically my concern was the rest of the case and dust |
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| 18:59.31 | Paralla1 | ok |
| 18:59.35 | Paralla1 | wait for me |
| 18:59.38 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: so you put an intake fan in? to bring more dust in ? |
| 18:59.44 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: i put a filter on it... |
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| 19:00.04 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: you probably did nothing but add the heat of the fan motor to the case :) |
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| 19:00.09 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: you have a case like that and you are worried about dust? off with the intake fan and make it an exhaust |
| 19:00.25 | e-ogma | SerajewelKS, "gam_server is the binary fo gamin (see http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/). It's a sgi_fam replacement for file alternation monitoring." |
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| 19:00.31 | dampjam | apache-ssl is running - netstat -a shows it is running, the logs do not show any errors starting, yet every attempt to get to the server with a browser times out - is there anything else to try? |
| 19:00.31 | EvilSporkMan | i'm also worried about the hard drive, but i guess i should've got a, you know, hard drive cooler |
| 19:00.45 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: are you saying dust isn't a concern or it's inevitable? |
| 19:00.55 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, ls /etc/init.d/gam* what do you see? |
| 19:00.59 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: it is inevitable with a case like that |
| 19:01.02 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: if you really want it cooler i guess .. mount an exhaust to the top and drill holes .. that's about it .. or put a drive slot fan thingie to blow right over the cpu and into the exhaust fan |
| 19:01.16 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: you're going to have tons of dust in that |
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| 19:01.26 | e-ogma | SerajewelKS, nothing |
| 19:01.40 | EvilSporkMan | probably bad call on the case, then >_< |
| 19:02.03 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, how about `which gam_server` as root? |
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| 19:02.14 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: not really .. unless you have it packed full of stuff |
| 19:02.18 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: think about cases as windtunnels. you must have air flowing through them, not just wandering around aimlessly |
| 19:02.28 | Quink_ | w |
| 19:02.42 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: yeah, i get it...the side will let air in, so exhaust in front and back = good? |
| 19:02.47 | e-ogma | SerajewelKS, nothing also |
| 19:02.55 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: begins to sound good |
| 19:02.58 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, ?!?! |
| 19:03.08 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: these are nice .. http://supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/743/SC743T-645.cfm |
| 19:03.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:03.10 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, do you know what package this server is from? |
| 19:03.11 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: if you really want to have a filter there, put it on the big opening |
| 19:03.17 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: would slapping an air conditioner filter on the side be a good idea? |
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| 19:03.23 | e-ogma | SerajewelKS, nope! |
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| 19:03.41 | biro | how to use alias, it hasnt man page :( |
| 19:03.43 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, ... you sure this is debian? |
| 19:03.47 | EvilSporkMan | and the case isn't full...nvidia card, 2 optical drives, floppy, hd |
| 19:03.52 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: why not. you just have to be sure the fans are strong enough as the filter will add some restriction |
| 19:03.52 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: isn't that a great case? :) |
| 19:03.53 | e-ogma | the only definition I found on gam_server is the one I sent you, got it from a RH help forum |
| 19:03.54 | PeterB | biro: help alias |
| 19:04.05 | e-ogma | SerajewelKS, sarge |
| 19:04.40 | e-ogma | biro, alias foo='cd foo' |
| 19:04.40 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: no? |
| 19:04.43 | shingouz | e-ogma: how did you install it? |
| 19:04.52 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: looks like overkill |
| 19:05.01 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: they cost about .. $300 :) |
| 19:05.03 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: overkill is good |
| 19:05.12 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: but that is a great example of airflow :) |
| 19:05.15 | e-ogma | shingouz, CDD-BR its a Brazilian version |
| 19:05.16 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, okay, do 'ps ax | grep gam_server' |
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| 19:05.28 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, get the PID for the server |
| 19:05.30 | Paralla1 | wers: no luck |
| 19:05.33 | abrotman | !find gam_server |
| 19:05.35 | e-ogma | SerajewelKS, 20054 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server |
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| 19:05.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gam_server' (1): (/usr/lib/gamin/gam_server) in admin/gamin. |
| 19:05.42 | abrotman | !botsnack |
| 19:05.49 | abrotman | dpkg: you're not hungry? |
| 19:05.52 | e-ogma | SerajewelKS, 20054 |
| 19:06.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, wtf... packages.debian.org turns up NOTHING! |
| 19:06.16 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: for sarge or sid ? |
| 19:06.19 | abrotman | !find gam_server sarge |
| 19:06.24 | yang | Which is a good linux certification for debian users? |
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| 19:06.36 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, he says he's using sarge... maybe he means etch? |
| 19:06.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gam_server' returned no results. |
| 19:06.39 | abrotman | yang: LPI i think was the generally accepted one |
| 19:06.41 | Morti | yang: "Insane". |
| 19:06.47 | mithro | is there a tool which lists only packages which arn't depended on? |
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| 19:06.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: he's apparently not using sarge :) |
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| 19:06.56 | abrotman | mithro: deborphan |
| 19:07.04 | shingouz | e-ogma: CDD-BR? what is that then? |
| 19:07.13 | abrotman | e-ogma: check your sources please .. where are they pointing ? |
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| 19:07.51 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, the package file list says that there's really no way to stop it... no init.d or anything. which makes me wonder how the heck the server is being started in the first place. |
| 19:07.53 | afabian | I imagine the type of people that are overly concerned about certifications are probably going to be looking for Redhat certifications or some such. |
| 19:07.55 | yang | abrotman: thanks ! Morti ?? |
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| 19:08.08 | abrotman | yang: and some feel they aren't worth it |
| 19:08.18 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that package is in etch/sid ..not sarge |
| 19:08.23 | EvilSporkMan | i started using cvs for my project at work and now the boss wants to (eventually, i hope) use it to track source for our main project. is setting up a sarge box to be secure enough to use for cvs over ssh remotely a big job? |
| 19:08.32 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, i know, but he has it.. so he must be using etch |
| 19:08.37 | EvilSporkMan | **main product |
| 19:08.38 | abrotman | yang: stuff that is distro-centric .. not good IMO .. |
| 19:08.39 | mithro | abrotman: that only seems to list libraries and stuff? is there anything which lists everything? |
| 19:08.51 | abrotman | mithro: man deborphan |
| 19:09.15 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: it should be secure enough unless you screw it up royally |
| 19:09.21 | biro | thanks now i'm aliased !!! |
| 19:09.22 | e-ogma | (CDD_BR is a customed linux distro) |
| 19:09.44 | abrotman | mithro: -a |
| 19:09.47 | shingouz | e-ogma: then ask them! this is #debian and CDD-BR is not debian ffs! |
| 19:09.48 | SerajewelKS | e-ogma, you could look at /usr/share/doc/gamin/README and see if it says how to stop it |
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| 19:09.59 | abrotman | or just kill it :) |
| 19:10.00 | shingouz | geez... |
| 19:10.04 | abrotman | !info gamin etch |
| 19:10.04 | SerajewelKS | !tell e-ogma about based on debian |
| 19:10.06 | mithro | abrotman: thanks! |
| 19:10.06 | dpkg | gamin: (File and directory monitoring system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
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| 19:10.30 | abrotman | wtf is cdd-br |
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| 19:10.54 | shingouz | abrotman: a customized brazilian distro is what e-ogma said |
| 19:10.57 | g00se | !info famd |
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| 19:11.07 | e-ogma | shingouz, thanx |
| 19:11.08 | abrotman | shingouz: ah .. misse dit |
| 19:11.13 | abrotman | !info fam |
| 19:11.15 | abrotman | g00se: ^ |
| 19:11.15 | dpkg | fam: (File Alteration Monitor), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-7.2 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
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| 19:11.27 | abrotman | !fam |
| 19:11.28 | Paralla1 | I have no sound, it shows in lspci but the alsamixer doesn´t start , No device found , help !!!! |
| 19:11.28 | dpkg | fam is, like, a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
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| 19:11.44 | g00se | Thanks abrotman ;-) |
| 19:11.47 | exobyte | I have a system that I might not be able to access via ssh. It has a usb serial port dongle. In order for that to be used for a serial console, the system needs to be told to on the port, right? |
| 19:11.56 | shingouz | thanks abrotman :p |
| 19:12.00 | RafaelBuziquia | alguem do BRASILL AQUI?????? |
| 19:12.02 | EvilSporkMan | gotta reboot, kernel update in amd64 testing... |
| 19:12.02 | abrotman | !br |
| 19:12.02 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:12.03 | shingouz | !br |
| 19:12.07 | abrotman | shingouz: always glad to help where i can |
| 19:12.25 | shingouz | abrotman: i appreciate you not being helpful |
| 19:12.35 | abrotman | shingouz: yeah .. i've heard that before |
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| 19:12.49 | abrotman | shingouz: so that's gonna be a TON of dust in that case :) |
| 19:13.06 | shingouz | abrotman: what case? |
| 19:13.10 | shingouz | a basketcase? |
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| 19:13.42 | abrotman | shingouz: the exhaust/intake fan case :) |
| 19:13.53 | shingouz | abrotman: yup :p |
| 19:14.04 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: get a shopvac .. you'll need it |
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| 19:14.13 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: link? or did you mean my case? |
| 19:14.14 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: and a shovel |
| 19:14.36 | EvilSporkMan | compressed air isn't going to fit the bill? |
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| 19:14.44 | lildude | take it out side dust maybe fill up garbage can |
| 19:14.45 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: i meant yours |
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| 19:15.00 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: depends how often you do it .. you know what dust bunnies are right? |
| 19:15.05 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: hehehe... duststorm... in anycase, all computers collect dust |
| 19:15.07 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 19:15.13 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: who doesn't? |
| 19:15.16 | fallrain | hi |
| 19:15.17 | amorphix | how do you normally start mysql in debian? |
| 19:15.22 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: i've seen cases where the bunnies have been eaten by dust dragons .. |
| 19:15.28 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: *snort* |
| 19:15.30 | fallrain | i am a debian new user |
| 19:15.32 | abrotman | amorphix: /etc/init.d/mysql-server start ? |
| 19:15.42 | shingouz | abrotman: EvilSporkMan: in this case they are going to be dust kangaroos. or Dust Puppies perhaps |
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| 19:15.55 | abrotman | dust dragons! |
| 19:16.00 | shingouz | eek |
| 19:16.05 | PeterB | Hippos. |
| 19:16.07 | fallrain | funny |
| 19:16.27 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: shingouz: well, case temp is currently around 38 C at idle (yay cool n' quiet)...i'm gonna reverse that front-side fan and try to get a filter on the side of the case and see what happens |
| 19:16.28 | abrotman | shingouz: i've pulled out clumps of dust .. roughly large enough to fill a cigarette pack |
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| 19:16.45 | EvilSporkMan | too bad my can of compressed air is empty :( |
| 19:16.47 | abrotman | shingouz: and yes .. the system was working :) |
| 19:16.47 | amorphix | im getting an error when i try to start mysql server |
| 19:16.51 | lildude | cant be more dust there in pc case |
| 19:16.59 | shingouz | abrotman: i have been bitten by a dust bunny :( |
| 19:17.02 | daedalus_ | EvilSporkMan: you have 2 lungs ;) |
| 19:17.03 | amorphix | kkerror: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)' |
| 19:17.03 | abrotman | amorphix: i've seen that error before |
| 19:17.07 | abrotman | ah .. damn |
| 19:17.13 | abrotman | he gave the error before i finished typing :) |
| 19:17.18 | amorphix | abrotman: have u? what do you think causes it |
| 19:17.20 | amorphix | hehe |
| 19:17.21 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:17.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:17.22 | lildude | than in than saw dust in dads saw mill |
| 19:17.32 | EvilSporkMan | i am having problems burning DVDs from ISOs - the first one generally works fine if I do it at 4x, but subsequent burns fail either in the middle with "input/output error" or at the beginning with "resource temporarily unavailable". the media is imation 8x dvd+rs |
| 19:17.33 | amorphix | abrotman is psychic |
| 19:17.34 | abrotman | shingouz: bunnies don't bite! |
| 19:17.39 | abrotman | amorphix: psychotic |
| 19:17.44 | amorphix | haha |
| 19:17.47 | shingouz | abrotman: when they are big enough they do |
| 19:17.55 | abrotman | shingouz: yeah .. ever wonder how healthy that is ? |
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| 19:18.07 | amorphix | i cannot remember what i did before but ive seen this problem with mysql before |
| 19:18.22 | amorphix | dont you have to start mysqld first or something? |
| 19:18.24 | amorphix | or mysqld-safe |
| 19:18.30 | EvilSporkMan | well, at least all the dust in the computer isn't in the air any more |
| 19:18.51 | abrotman | amorphix: i'll give you the best advice of your life .. use postgresql :) |
| 19:18.54 | amorphix | computers act as ionisers? |
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| 19:18.59 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: about the burns, have you tried is at a slower speed? 2x for instance? |
| 19:19.06 | amorphix | abrotman: no way, i need mysql |
| 19:19.09 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: it works fine at 4x the first time |
| 19:19.12 | abrotman | amorphix: no .. you don't |
| 19:19.18 | amorphix | heh |
| 19:19.22 | abrotman | amorphix: oh wait .. do you need a hole in the head ? |
| 19:19.30 | amorphix | sheesh |
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| 19:19.43 | yacyac | hey i dont see amd64 iso's in ftp |
| 19:19.44 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: and supposedly dvd+r burners take care of the speed themselves anyway or something |
| 19:19.54 | EvilSporkMan | yacyac: /join #debian-amd64 |
| 19:20.07 | Paralla1 | when I try alsaconf, this showed up /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
| 19:20.10 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: true but occasionally you have to limit them manually |
| 19:20.29 | amorphix | alsa uses alot of cpu and memory |
| 19:20.55 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: i don't understand why it wouldn't at least work at 4x...what limits burning speed? |
| 19:21.09 | Paralla1 | but it doesn´t find my sound card |
| 19:21.19 | dimm0k | currently have twinview set up on a notebook's LCD and external CRT... is it possible to make the notebook's LCD turn off instead of expanding the desktop across both monitors? |
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| 19:21.37 | EvilSporkMan | dimm0k: isn't there a function key on the notebook to just switch to the CRT? |
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| 19:21.50 | korhalf | MuSe is telling me that jack hasnt been started |
| 19:21.54 | korhalf | so how do i go about starting jack |
| 19:22.20 | shingouz | EvilSporkMan: i am not sure, i just said you may want to try it with a dummy burn |
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| 19:22.29 | NeoZero | hi all! |
| 19:22.33 | EvilSporkMan | shingouz: can't dummy dvd+r =( |
| 19:22.40 | shingouz | hm |
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| 19:23.02 | abrotman | !tell yacyac about amd64 |
| 19:23.38 | reddi | hi, can someone help me with my soundproblem? i have tried alsaconf, but it dont works as i want and i have tried modprobe (maybe wrong)? |
| 19:23.57 | yacyac | thanx abrotman |
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| 19:24.32 | drac | reddi: uname -r |
| 19:24.50 | abrotman | and which soundcard ? |
| 19:25.37 | reddi | http://pastebin.com/336846 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 19:26.11 | drac | reddi: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6, and pick one to match your CPU (Processor). apt-get install it. boot. and run alsaconf again. |
| 19:26.13 | hanasaki | can someone help with exim? noone is talking in that room. i have exim4.5 up and runnign on tls and refusing to relay to outside domians.. which is what i want. now how i make it prompt the sender for a passwd/ip and relay if they auth ok |
| 19:27.12 | abrotman | nvz: http://imdb.com/title/tt0079154/ |
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| 19:27.37 | Paralla1 | I have a problem with my soundcard I cant play nothing, I have a ASUS K8N with Nforce3 soundcard 2.6.8-2 kernel |
| 19:27.54 | abrotman | !nvsound |
| 19:27.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvsound is nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 19:28.15 | abrotman | Paralla1: maybe query #nvidia as to which driver you need |
| 19:28.20 | PeterB | !tell hanasaki about they don't know |
| 19:28.20 | fando | on loading an image-heavy forum thread, my firefox is hitting swap and bringing X.org to a near freeze, what could be the problem? |
| 19:28.20 | reddi | drac: i have got a pentium 4 mobile 2400 mhz, what does the p4 smb mean? |
| 19:29.03 | hanasaki | thanks peter. its exim on debian |
| 19:29.05 | drac | reddi: use SMP kernel if your Processor supports HyperThreading. If not, normal 686 one. |
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| 19:29.43 | dampjam | I did a dpkg-reconfigure apache-ssl - and I still get request timed out when I try to browse to the host |
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| 19:29.43 | dampjam | Is there anything I can do to troubleshoot it? |
| 19:29.43 | reddi | drac: 386 or 686, 2.6 or 2.6.8.2 |
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| 19:29.58 | Paralla1 | abrotman: I dont know what to do with that information ! |
| 19:30.12 | abrotman | Paralla1: tell us? :) |
| 19:30.16 | reddi | drac: ok, and 2.6. or 2.6.8.2.? |
| 19:30.32 | abrotman | reddi: what is your cpu ? |
| 19:30.47 | reddi | abrotman: 2400 mhz p4 mobile with NO hyperthreading |
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| 19:31.00 | shingouz | Paralla1: try snd-intel8x0 as the sound module |
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| 19:31.02 | abrotman | reddi: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:31.27 | dampjam | Is tehre anything I can do to just the vanilla apache-ssl working again? |
| 19:31.39 | phillipsjk | dampjam: Is the host configured to respond to pings? if so, you can check that the network is working. |
| 19:32.04 | dampjam | phillipsjk: yeah - plain apache works, I can get to it with ssh, and http, just not https |
| 19:32.05 | Paralla1 | abrotman: I tried modprobe snd-intel8x0 but stills no sound card found |
| 19:32.12 | dampjam | it was working for a long time then just stopped responding one day |
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| 19:32.28 | abrotman | Paralla1: you're on a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 19:32.37 | shingouz | Paralla1: you modprobed it, did the sound work after the probing? |
| 19:32.39 | abrotman | dampjam: check your logs |
| 19:32.40 | mithro | hi! is there a tool which will list all files which are not from debs? |
| 19:32.48 | eka808 | hi |
| 19:32.58 | dampjam | abrotman: it shows it started successfully, but there is nothing in the logs of requests, just that it started |
| 19:33.01 | eka808 | i've got a kernel problem anyone can help me ? |
| 19:33.07 | abrotman | mithro: you could get fancy .. but no tool i'm aware of |
| 19:33.12 | shingouz | !tell eka808 about ask |
| 19:33.16 | abrotman | dampjam: i meant the error log :) |
| 19:33.36 | Paralla1 | 2.6.8-2 modprobed and try to open alsamixer: No devices found |
| 19:33.43 | abrotman | alsaconf first |
| 19:33.50 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 19:33.51 | dpkg | well, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 19:33.52 | mithro | http://www.you-need-to-get-this-one-yourself.com/NSLU2_V23R63.zip |
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| 19:33.56 | dampjam | abrotman: may I private message you the four lines it shows whenever it starts? |
| 19:33.57 | mithro | opps sorry wrong channel |
| 19:34.05 | abrotman | dampjam: in #flood if that's ok |
| 19:34.17 | abrotman | mithro: should i get it ? |
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| 19:34.27 | dampjam | abrotman: sent |
| 19:34.32 | stew | < abrotman> stew: do NOT go out riding :) |
| 19:34.34 | abrotman | dampjam: i see .. looks normal .. firewall setup ? |
| 19:34.35 | stew | just got back |
| 19:34.46 | abrotman | stew: i went without water .. bad bad bad idea .. |
| 19:34.55 | stew | yeah, that would have been bad |
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| 19:35.03 | mithro | abrotman: only if you have a linksys nslu2 :P |
| 19:35.07 | eka808 | i've got sarge with 2.4 and when i compile the 2.6.10 kernel, i've got more of 100 warnings |
| 19:35.12 | dampjam | abrotman: yes, but there is a hole punched in for ssl, netstat -a shows it's accepting, and when I use links to try to browse using the loopback ip, it does not work either |
| 19:35.14 | abrotman | stew: i didn't think it was nearly that hot .. i cut it a couple of miles short |
| 19:35.32 | abrotman | dampjam: listening on the wrong IP ? |
| 19:35.33 | eka808 | it's the first time i've got this |
| 19:35.40 | stew | i didn't go very far either |
| 19:35.44 | dampjam | abrotman: machine only has one ip |
| 19:35.49 | stew | and not at all fast |
| 19:35.50 | abrotman | stew: i'm sure you went farther than i did .. |
| 19:36.04 | dampjam | abrotman: and I tried changing the servername to the ip just in case |
| 19:36.16 | abrotman | stew: i realized after about 3 miles that it was a bad idea to be out without water :) |
| 19:36.25 | lildude | anal probe card it wil wake up |
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| 19:36.41 | dampjam | Is there a command that will delete all related files and then redownload the .deb files? |
| 19:36.41 | lildude | wish they were in fron probing easier at fron cards |
| 19:36.47 | abrotman | dampjam: can you telnet to the port ? |
| 19:36.54 | shingouz | eka808: why, oh why do you need a custom kernel on a sunday night |
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| 19:37.00 | dampjam | abrotman: I can, but of course it doesn't respond because I"m not using ssl |
| 19:37.01 | abrotman | dampjam: you can purge .. then reinstall .. but you will lose the conf files |
| 19:37.04 | dampjam | but it definately establishes it |
| 19:37.08 | dampjam | I already backed up all config file |
| 19:37.13 | concept10 | Is chkrootkit any good? |
| 19:37.13 | Paralla1 | THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:37.13 | eka808 | shingouz : i work on week ^^ |
| 19:37.14 | abrotman | dampjam: it should at least spew garbage iirc |
| 19:37.16 | Paralla1 | THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:37.16 | Paralla1 | THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:37.17 | abrotman | Paralla1: better ? |
| 19:37.23 | dampjam | abrotman: it does nto spew garbage |
| 19:37.24 | eka808 | shingouz, so i compile on weekends lol |
| 19:37.24 | Paralla1 | great |
| 19:37.26 | shingouz | eka808: install a debian kernel? |
| 19:37.45 | eka808 | shingouz, debian kernels don't want to compile menuconfig :( |
| 19:37.58 | dampjam | abrotman: how do I call a purge on a package? |
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| 19:37.59 | abrotman | dampjam: sure .. purge and reinstall |
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| 19:38.01 | eka808 | oh, xcuse me for my english, i'm french :) |
| 19:38.06 | abrotman | stew: yes .. way too hot |
| 19:38.16 | shingouz | eka808: i am talking about a debian kernel image, not debianized source |
| 19:38.18 | g00se | !fr |
| 19:38.19 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
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| 19:38.26 | abrotman | stew: and i didn't go yesterday because it was so hot .. so i resolved to go today .. thinking it would be better .. yeesh |
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| 19:38.43 | concept10 | Anyone have an opinion of 'chkrootkit' is it an effective program??? |
| 19:39.13 | shingouz | concept10: yes, we saw your question the first time |
| 19:39.15 | eka808 | shingouz, i must have 2.6.10 kernel |
| 19:39.28 | hmakholm | concept10: If you mean whether it is all you need to do to feel secure, then no. |
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| 19:39.32 | concept10 | shingouz, should I post it again? |
| 19:39.34 | shingouz | eka808: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-whatever |
| 19:39.41 | eka808 | shingouz, i must have because my wifi card works only with this kernel |
| 19:40.07 | shingouz | eka808: waht card do you have then? :o |
| 19:40.23 | Fabsmad | anybody is using SOLARIS? Linux/Solaris, which are the main differencies? |
| 19:40.29 | shingouz | eka808: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 19:40.36 | drac | Fabsmad: Solaris is UNIX, Linux is Linux. |
| 19:40.41 | dampjam | I purged and reinstalled - same problem |
| 19:40.43 | shingouz | Fabsmad: did you check what channel this is? |
| 19:41.22 | shingouz | eka808: when you find the appropriate image, just apt-get install it in place. should work |
| 19:41.26 | eka808 | ok |
| 19:41.29 | eka808 | i try |
| 19:41.31 | concept10 | he just asked a question |
| 19:41.36 | abrotman | Fabsmad: you might wish to ask #solaris |
| 19:41.45 | hmakholm | shingouz: Now that Solaris is "free", there may be a Debian GNU/Solaris :-) |
| 19:41.48 | shingouz | eka808: it is very seldom you have to do custom kernels really |
| 19:41.55 | Fabsmad | yes, I'm using Debian...but I appreciate also other os...I'd like to know more...with your help |
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| 19:41.58 | shingouz | *plonk* |
| 19:42.00 | abrotman | hmakholm: you're not the first to think that .. we'll see |
| 19:42.05 | eka808 | shingouz, seldom ??? |
| 19:42.12 | shingouz | eka808: not often |
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| 19:42.15 | abrotman | Fabsmad: have you installed solaris ? |
| 19:42.15 | eka808 | ok |
| 19:42.20 | eka808 | ^^ |
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| 19:42.39 | Fabsmad | not yet |
| 19:42.39 | btech | i need help with remastering. i dont want you to do it just have a question. |
| 19:42.41 | shingouz | eka808: custom kernels are needed if you have some real exotic hardware |
| 19:42.55 | eka808 | ok |
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| 19:43.17 | abrotman | Fabsmad: once you install solaris .. it will become glaringly obvious of some of the differences .. especially if you're a system programmer |
| 19:43.22 | abrotman | !tell Fabsmad about rosetta stone |
| 19:43.26 | abrotman | hrm |
| 19:43.29 | abrotman | !tell Fabsmad about rosetta |
| 19:43.38 | me_here | !tell /me about markov |
| 19:43.39 | Shadowcat | !roestta |
| 19:43.40 | Fabsmad | rosetta? |
| 19:43.44 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 19:43.47 | Shadowcat | !rosetta |
| 19:43.47 | dpkg | i heard rosetta is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html |
| 19:43.49 | Shadowcat | hmm |
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| 19:43.54 | shingouz | me_here: /msg dpkgmarkov |
| 19:43.58 | chandoo | hi :) |
| 19:43.59 | shingouz | me_here: /msg dpkg markov |
| 19:44.03 | eka808 | shingouz, gcc has changed version recently ? |
| 19:44.14 | chandoo | how to install kernel sources in debian, i did net install |
| 19:44.25 | abrotman | Fabsmad: it will help you get around solaris |
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| 19:44.30 | shingouz | eka808: not sure, depends on the version of debian you run and the definition of recently |
| 19:44.47 | abrotman | Shadowcat: interesting ? |
| 19:44.50 | eka808 | shingouz, in the 2weeks ago, i've sarge |
| 19:44.52 | eka808 | :-S |
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| 19:44.55 | shingouz | chandoo: do you really need a custom kernel? are you sure about it? |
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| 19:45.12 | abrotman | though somewhat out of date |
| 19:45.14 | shingouz | eka808: not on sarge and not in two weeks as far as i know |
| 19:45.17 | Fabsmad | thanks, I see |
| 19:45.21 | btech | i want to add freecraft and bzflag to a knoppix live cd, is there and easy way of just adding the deb files to install off the live cd? |
| 19:45.21 | chandoo | i am compiling nvidia drivers, it couldnt able to find kernel sources for 2.6.8 |
| 19:45.27 | eka808 | shingouz, i compiled a kernel using kernel.org sources last week on another , i've got no problems |
| 19:45.47 | me_here | ups markov is dead ! |
| 19:45.51 | me_here | lol |
| 19:45.52 | shingouz | eka808: k.. |
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| 19:46.10 | shingouz | chandoo: apt-get install |
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| 19:46.35 | shingouz | chandoo: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 19:46.43 | Montels | people |
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| 19:46.48 | Montels | how to assign chanserv |
| 19:46.57 | shingouz | chandoo: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 19:47.03 | chandoo | shingouz: how to install sources for 2.6.8, i am triying with apt-get i couldnt able to scroll in charecter more, i grep for all possible combinations |
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| 19:47.28 | Montels | ? |
| 19:47.29 | shingouz | chandoo: what are you talking about? |
| 19:47.39 | Montels | how to assign chanserv |
| 19:47.41 | chandoo | shingouz: do you want me to type the /msg dpkg nvidia one liner in irssi window |
| 19:47.49 | shingouz | chandoo: yes |
| 19:47.59 | Montels | a? |
| 19:48.00 | abrotman | shingouz: stop .. too confusing! |
| 19:48.09 | chandoo | i am completely in a charecter base now, no gui |
| 19:48.15 | chandoo | i did nothing happened |
| 19:48.18 | shingouz | abrotman: good idea. i will go inhale caffeine for a while |
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| 19:48.51 | abrotman | shingouz: you can inhale it these days ? |
| 19:48.52 | btech | can some one help me with a remaster question? i asked in the knoppix channel but nobody is there. |
| 19:49.11 | pngwn | btech, this is #debian |
| 19:49.13 | abrotman | !nvidia one liner |
| 19:49.13 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 19:49.16 | abrotman | chandoo: ^^ |
| 19:49.21 | abrotman | !tell chandoo about nvidia one liner |
| 19:49.32 | shingouz | abrotman: when it comes to caffeine.... besides my gf is scary, she has made it absolutely clear i am not supposed to smoke |
| 19:49.58 | prock | does anyone make caffene cigs? |
| 19:49.59 | btech | i know, knoppix is off of debian, and nobody home at #knoppix :) |
| 19:50.01 | abrotman | shingouz: or what ? |
| 19:50.02 | shingouz | btech: we do not remaster knoppix here |
| 19:50.07 | shingouz | !they don't know |
| 19:50.07 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 19:50.11 | btech | k thanks anyway |
| 19:50.13 | shingouz | !knoppixsmite btech |
| 19:50.29 | btech | got it |
| 19:50.31 | shingouz | abrotman: or what? i did not dare to ask |
| 19:50.33 | putz | Hehe. |
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| 19:51.11 | abrotman | shingouz: but your ex let you ? |
| 19:51.13 | btech | so what is the diff from knoppix and debian? |
| 19:51.23 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 19:51.34 | chandoo | abortman i couldnt able to understand |
| 19:51.35 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 19:51.35 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 19:51.50 | chandoo | i am not that good in irc stuff |
| 19:51.52 | shingouz | btech: the frigging scripts in it. try debian and you will see |
| 19:51.52 | abrotman | chandoo: what is your native language ? |
| 19:51.59 | chandoo | english |
| 19:52.16 | abrotman | <chandoo> abortman i couldnt able to understand ... is not english :) |
| 19:52.19 | btech | do they have a debian live distro? |
| 19:52.25 | shingouz | btech: no |
| 19:52.27 | abrotman | btech: no |
| 19:52.28 | btech | k |
| 19:52.36 | phillipsjk | btech: knoppix runs live from the cd and is kde-centered. |
| 19:52.45 | chandoo | abrotman: sorry for spelling ur name wrong |
| 19:52.52 | abrotman | chandoo: if you type "/msg dpkg nvidia one liner" in your irc window .. another window should pop up with the instructions you need |
| 19:52.53 | abrotman | !ur |
| 19:52.53 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 19:52.54 | shingouz | and it has some serious oddities in the startup scripts |
| 19:52.54 | btech | i have 3 install disk but was having trouble geting to run right |
| 19:53.07 | chandoo | yes there is a window |
| 19:53.37 | abrotman | shingouz: what new addiction have you picked up since quitting smoking ? |
| 19:53.51 | shingouz | abrotman: umm.. nothing :o |
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| 19:53.58 | btech | let me retry another install, any tips would be nice before i got started |
| 19:54.01 | abrotman | shingouz: that's not a fair trade |
| 19:54.07 | abrotman | !d-i btech |
| 19:54.08 | dpkg | btech, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:54.10 | shingouz | abrotman: true. very true |
| 19:54.11 | abrotman | !ig |
| 19:54.11 | dpkg | ig is, like, for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 19:54.12 | reddi | it seems that sound is better, but wlan doent work anymore |
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| 19:54.20 | btech | i have ver 3.0r5 ?? |
| 19:54.37 | shingouz | btech: get sarge netinstall like dpkg just told you |
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| 19:54.53 | btech | k thanks |
| 19:54.54 | phillipsjk | btech: knoppix can install live from a network and is "free as in freedom" centered (not that knoppix isn't). |
| 19:54.59 | reddi | without wlan i have no lan and no internet ;-( |
| 19:54.59 | a_arcane | How can i check why a login is failed? Trying to access an acount via nis. |
| 19:55.15 | phillipsjk | btech: er. I meant debian |
| 19:55.16 | abrotman | btech: you do have broadband right ? |
| 19:55.21 | btech | yes |
| 19:55.25 | abrotman | ok .. just making sure |
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| 19:55.50 | priest | has there been any talk about speed up the release of etch? so sarge wont becomce outdated as woody? |
| 19:55.50 | faked | a_arcane: logfile |
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| 19:55.53 | shingouz | caffeine. now. lots of it or i will be violent. /me & |
| 19:56.11 | a_arcane | faked, what logfile should i look in? Cant find anything. |
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| 19:56.27 | abrotman | shingouz: you take a bunch of caffiene . then sleep ? |
| 19:56.27 | mwilson | How does the release of Etch affect Sarge in any way? |
| 19:56.37 | abrotman | mwilson: some day .. it will :) |
| 19:56.39 | faked | a_arcane: look in the directory /var/log |
| 19:56.55 | reddi | what can i do if wlan doesnst work anymore after installing 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:57.20 | faked | reddi: which card/driver do you use for wlan? |
| 19:57.30 | mwilson | reddi: Other than fix it? Revert to your prior kernel? |
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| 19:58.00 | reddi | faked: how do i know that? in former times i used another distribution and in ran under orinoco |
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| 19:58.32 | reddi | mwilson: fine, in 2.4 sound isnt very good ... |
| 19:58.36 | chandoo | abrotman: i understood now |
| 19:58.41 | reddi | mwilson: in 2.6 i have better sound but no wlan |
| 19:58.45 | chandoo | i am triying now |
| 19:58.54 | abrotman | reddi: which wifi card ? |
| 19:58.58 | faked | reddi: do you use a debian-kernel? |
| 19:59.03 | misfitx7 | wireless is easy in 2.6 |
| 19:59.11 | abrotman | reddi: are you sure it's not there and just not setup ? .. ifconfig -a |
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| 19:59.36 | justm3 | hi |
| 20:00.04 | reddi | abrotman: maybe it only setup but i have my router as dhcp |
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| 20:00.29 | reddi | abrotman without wep etc. - only starting up the notebook and i am online (and i am in lan too) |
| 20:00.41 | faked | reddi: did you setup wlan for dhcp? |
| 20:00.53 | reddi | faked: NO, how do i do that? |
| 20:01.05 | justm3 | if the system crashs, on boot a filesystem check is done with fsck and if corrupt files are found it tries to repare them! the files that can't be repared are placed in /lost+found! and if any file is repared? is placed on /lost+found, or in its own directory? |
| 20:01.18 | reddi | faked: in 2.4 i had to do nothing... |
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| 20:01.31 | faked | reddi: you can try "dhclient ifname" |
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| 20:01.43 | faked | reddi: 2.4 with same distribution? |
| 20:02.12 | reddi | faked: YES, i only installed 2.6 with apt-get a few minutes ago |
| 20:02.13 | faked | reddi: what says "ifconfig"? is there a wlan-interface? |
| 20:02.31 | reddi | faked: as i have now internet, i am in 2.4 - i have to reboot |
| 20:02.44 | abrotman | reddi: ifconfig -a .. do you see it ? |
| 20:02.51 | reddi | faked: i will do that and save the file and then quote it if it doenst work ok? |
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| 20:03.00 | phillipsjk | justm3: a file is either damaged or isn't. fsck checks the filesystem which stores the files. |
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| 20:04.09 | reddi | i will be back in about 15 minutes ;-), rebooting and testing |
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| 20:04.33 | havk- | anyone know how to deal with this error that occurs when dpkg trys to add a user for a pacakge: "chage: can't open shadow password file" |
| 20:05.08 | faked | havk-: do you use shaddowed passwords? |
| 20:05.15 | ArtistAgent | lol Ka |
| 20:05.57 | havk- | faked: not that i know of |
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| 20:08.16 | havk- | chage: can't open shadow password fileadduser: `/usr/bin/chage -M 99999 sshd' returned error code 1. Aborting. |
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| 20:11.47 | tung | anyone know how to get grep to ignore hidden files and directories? |
| 20:11.53 | CAiRO | can i mirror a windows harddisk by simply doing dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb? |
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| 20:13.01 | faked | tung: --exclude .. |
| 20:13.01 | priest | CAiRO, yes, if it is the same size |
| 20:13.04 | Navop | installing debian to be a web, ftp server on a comp that has 2 x 160 gig hdd, what would be a good partition setup, yes i thought about this long..but wante some input |
| 20:13.19 | CAiRO | priest: yes, it's exactly the same harddisk model, thanks |
| 20:13.34 | bobgray | would it be possible to downgrade from unstable to testing? |
| 20:13.35 | Gospel | i keep getting a message to accept cookies from miladus.org. Anyone else had this? |
| 20:13.42 | tung | faked: thanks |
| 20:13.56 | abrotman | bobgray: no |
| 20:14.07 | justm3 | bobgray yes |
| 20:14.13 | bobgray | ballrot |
| 20:14.16 | bobgray | hmmm, which is it? |
| 20:14.18 | abrotman | Justin: no it's not! |
| 20:14.19 | daedalus_ | Gospel: what on earth.... not a debian problem |
| 20:14.24 | abrotman | justm3: no it's not |
| 20:14.24 | priest | Navop, raid-1 to secure the server from disc crash? |
| 20:14.34 | justm3 | abrotman with apt preferences it is |
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| 20:14.49 | abrotman | justm3: are you stupid? .. it is not possible to downgrade |
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| 20:15.05 | justm3 | abrotman read the manual about apt_preferences please |
| 20:15.24 | abrotman | justm3: i'm very aware of it .. he already has unstable .. he cannot downgrade the entire system |
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| 20:15.51 | Navop | priest: i can only do sofware raid-1, mb not capable of doing raid...and i tried sofware raid and no success on settting it up...lol |
| 20:16.01 | abrotman | bobgray: you can change your sources .. and wait .. |
| 20:16.05 | justm3 | abrotman i'm talking about all the the packages |
| 20:16.12 | green_earz | Navop: howto for a ide raid1 > "Installing Debian Sarge with software RAID" > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
| 20:16.13 | bobgray | can i wait for my current unstable to come in line with some testing in the future? |
| 20:16.13 | abrotman | justm3: downgrade is not possible ... |
| 20:16.30 | priest | Navop, the debian installation can do it for you |
| 20:16.30 | abrotman | bobgray: yep .. it may never come fully in line .. but you can try that |
| 20:16.53 | bobgray | abrotman: how long will it take for it to mostly come in line do you think? |
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| 20:17.16 | abrotman | bobgray: depends on bugs and dependencies .. and right now .. sid is a mess .. xorg/gcc among other problems |
| 20:17.17 | Navop | ty |
| 20:17.22 | emurz | Does anyone know how can I mount .img files? |
| 20:17.30 | abrotman | is it the same as a .iso ? |
| 20:17.36 | emurz | nope |
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| 20:17.41 | bobgray | abrotman: hence the reason i want to downgrade |
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| 20:18.03 | chandoo | how to install from .deb file |
| 20:18.13 | dioguitos | alguem do brasil aiii? |
| 20:18.20 | abrotman | bobgray: yeah .. you're kind of stuck .. you might be able to get some parts out .. but not all of it ... you could say .. purge xorg and then reinstall xfree .. but i think since you've already done the gcc thing .. could be problematic |
| 20:18.26 | abrotman | !pt |
| 20:18.26 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:18.35 | abrotman | emurz: like a floppy image ? |
| 20:18.43 | bobgray | abrotman: think ill just start from scratch |
| 20:18.48 | bobgray | i dont have that much installed |
| 20:18.58 | streuner | emurz: file foo.img |
| 20:19.12 | abrotman | bobgray: if you're a newer debian user .. stick with sarge/stable or etch/testing |
| 20:19.27 | emurz | it says data |
| 20:19.33 | abrotman | bobgray: and if you're really new .. sarge :) |
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| 20:19.44 | bobgray | abrotman: i've been using debian for years, just unstable has become a pita lately |
| 20:19.56 | abrotman | justm3: that doesn't make sense |
| 20:20.05 | abrotman | justm3: and please don't /msg people without permission |
| 20:20.10 | abrotman | bobgray: ah ok |
| 20:20.24 | abrotman | bobgray: yeah .. sid is a bit of a mess at the moment |
| 20:20.24 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend a genealogy app for the "average joe" that has a win32 (or java) port? |
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| 20:21.13 | justm3 | abrotman why doesn't make sense? |
| 20:21.19 | abrotman | Bac9: there is a gtk one .. but not sure it runs in win32 |
| 20:21.27 | justm3 | i'm not understanding your point of view |
| 20:21.30 | bobgray | abrotman: thanks for your help, im just gonna debootstrap |
| 20:21.31 | abrotman | justm3: read what you typed to me .. or i can paste it in here .. it doesn't make sense |
| 20:21.36 | abrotman | bobgray: ok .. sorry |
| 20:21.40 | bobgray | no |
| 20:21.45 | bobgray | *np |
| 20:22.05 | Bac9 | abrotman: which? looking for recomendations for an app to recomend to a third party |
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| 20:22.18 | CT-71 | i am having problems with X11 |
| 20:22.26 | CT-71 | i just installed debian |
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| 20:22.49 | abrotman | Bac9: http://gramps-project.org/ .. and it is packaged for debian |
| 20:22.53 | CT-71 | can someone tell me how to reconfigurure it? |
| 20:23.11 | abrotman | !drxx CT-71 |
| 20:23.12 | dpkg | CT-71: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:23.15 | Bac9 | abrotman: yeah checked that out, no java or win32 port :-( |
| 20:23.20 | Pogopuschel- | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:23.26 | CT-71 | tank you |
| 20:23.28 | CT-71 | lol |
| 20:23.36 | Pogopuschel- | :/ |
| 20:23.40 | defcon8 | and artillery shell to you too |
| 20:23.42 | abrotman | Bac9: that's all i know of .. sorry .. in its defense .. nice app :) |
| 20:23.47 | CT-71 | lol |
| 20:24.05 | Bac9 | abrotman: thanx for trying |
| 20:24.29 | toresbe | mtnman: hey, niiiice hardware you mentioned :) |
| 20:24.40 | abrotman | toresbe: you're awake eh ? :) |
| 20:24.43 | toresbe | mtnman: And yes, I *am* drooling after a VT100 |
| 20:24.52 | abrotman | toresbe: where were you earlier ? |
| 20:25.01 | toresbe | abrotman: Funnily enough, I've been carting old hardware into my appartment |
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| 20:25.07 | abrotman | toresbe: got pics ? |
| 20:25.09 | toresbe | the storage unit contract is expiring |
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| 20:25.13 | lildude | what old hardwre |
| 20:25.24 | lildude | need 20 gig hardware drive |
| 20:25.25 | toresbe | lildude: a Control Data 4630 MIPS rebrand |
| 20:25.28 | abrotman | lildude: he keeps P4 hardware laying around in case his new stuff breaks |
| 20:25.34 | toresbe | an Alphaserver, etc |
| 20:25.39 | justm3 | abrotman forget what i typed to you! but i want to know why its not possible to downgrade? for instance, if i upgrade from testing to unstable and if i don't like and want to get back the testing i can't with downgrade? |
| 20:25.41 | abrotman | toresbe: which alpha ? |
| 20:25.45 | toresbe | and the last parts of my PDP-11 |
| 20:25.49 | toresbe | abrotman: EV56 IIRC |
| 20:25.50 | lildude | geeze need a hd and socket a mobo |
| 20:25.57 | abrotman | toresbe: not bad .. how many CPUs ? |
| 20:26.05 | CT-71 | i like how debian made partitions for me that was good especially cause i dont want /var overflowing me :) |
| 20:26.07 | abrotman | justm3: you can't downgrade ... |
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| 20:26.25 | toresbe | abrotman: one, but getting one more |
| 20:26.26 | toresbe | gtg |
| 20:26.27 | abrotman | justm3: if you don't believe me .. ask someone else :) |
| 20:26.30 | chandoo | hi when i am starting to install the debian initally i configured the debian source sites, how to run the command again |
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| 20:26.36 | toresbe | bbl |
| 20:26.38 | abrotman | chandoo: apt-setup |
| 20:26.45 | chandoo | :) |
| 20:26.46 | justm3 | abrotman why not, give a reason? i might be wrong :P |
| 20:26.53 | abrotman | justm3: how do you think you downgrade ? |
| 20:27.05 | abrotman | <justm3> what do mean with that? i'm saying that is possible downgrade all the packages, but not the software |
| 20:27.07 | abrotman | is what you said btw |
| 20:27.15 | CT-71 | has anyone been attacked during a netinst |
| 20:27.22 | CT-71 | thats unlikely right? |
| 20:27.22 | justm3 | abrotman yes it doesn't make sense |
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| 20:27.34 | abrotman | justm3: i know it doesn't make sense .. you said it .. not me :) |
| 20:27.36 | reddi | it worked after i reseted my router |
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| 20:27.54 | lildude | x is hard on netinstal |
| 20:27.54 | abrotman | CT-71: no open ports iirc |
| 20:27.55 | Gospel | whats the latest Debian out? |
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| 20:28.00 | lildude | sarge |
| 20:28.05 | abrotman | Gospel: sarge is the latest stable release |
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| 20:28.14 | CT-71 | abrotman i did it but the box is behind a smoothwall |
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| 20:28.30 | abrotman | CT-71: so there shouldn't be a problem |
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| 20:28.37 | Gospel | abrotman: is Sarge version 3.0? |
| 20:28.42 | stew | 3.1 |
| 20:28.43 | lildude | firewall in router good enough? |
| 20:28.49 | CT-71 | yeah |
| 20:28.53 | CT-71 | no |
| 20:28.57 | abrotman | Gospel: 3.1r0a is the current stable release |
| 20:28.57 | lonewolff | hey, i wonder if anyone can help, i just did apt-get dist-upgrade on a machine and now mysql refuses to start (the upgrade upgraded gcc to version 4.0 ) |
| 20:29.10 | cddesjar | i am trying to install debian on a compaq presario 5220 and i can't figure out how to boot from the cd. i know that it does. any ideas (other then googling it, since I already have)? |
| 20:29.14 | abrotman | stew: will you help me downgrade my system from sid to etch ? |
| 20:29.16 | Gospel | abrotman: yeah, its 3.1r0a that I ordered, good :) |
| 20:29.20 | abrotman | Gospel: yay |
| 20:29.26 | stew | abrotman: /msg dpkg downgrade :) |
| 20:29.32 | Shadowcat | lonewolff: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:29.38 | CT-71 | lildude so many peaple get thru my little router its pathetic |
| 20:29.43 | abrotman | stew: what are you saying .. it's not possible? |
| 20:29.44 | reddi | okey, anyway: if i am @ uni e.g. i want to connect to their wlan - how do i set up wlan under debian? only conf files or is there a program like on mandrake? |
| 20:29.45 | CT-71 | i log like crazy |
| 20:29.56 | CT-71 | on smoothwall |
| 20:29.59 | reddi | or redhat |
| 20:30.03 | lildude | so i should use 3 party fire wall aok |
| 20:30.04 | lonewolff | Shadowcat: testing |
| 20:30.16 | CT-71 | id suggest it |
| 20:30.24 | Shadowcat | lonewolff: why are you running testing? |
| 20:30.26 | CT-71 | if you have an old computer use it |
| 20:30.29 | stew | abrotman: just don't upgrade it for 10 days, sid is a very fast moving target right now |
| 20:30.31 | CT-71 | as firewall |
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| 20:30.38 | justm3 | Package: * |
| 20:30.41 | justm3 | argh |
| 20:30.42 | Shadowcat | there's stuff broken in testing |
| 20:30.44 | abrotman | stew: if you lastlog me .. you'd understand i was joking :) |
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| 20:30.58 | lonewolff | Shadowcat: bugger, its just what was in the config when i installed sarge im sure .... |
| 20:31.00 | CT-71 | lildude, http://smoothwall.org/ |
| 20:31.03 | CT-71 | go there |
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| 20:31.08 | Shadowcat | lonewolff: no |
| 20:31.14 | lildude | ct did you have port closed? |
| 20:31.15 | Shadowcat | not unless you're using an outdated cd image |
| 20:31.23 | lonewolff | Shadowcat: i probably am |
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| 20:31.36 | Shadowcat | then download a new one and install again |
| 20:31.44 | lonewolff | that cant happen |
| 20:31.49 | CT-71 | lildude huh? |
| 20:31.53 | CT-71 | on my linux box? |
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| 20:32.00 | abrotman | stew: sorry to include you :) |
| 20:32.06 | Shadowcat | lonewolff: why? |
| 20:32.13 | lildude | right ct with ports cllosed i thought y were sucure |
| 20:32.13 | concept10 | This is crazy, someone went into my sisters window and stole her laptop.... a couple of weeks later they call at 3am and demand money to get it back |
| 20:32.21 | lildude | and web kept yah safe |
| 20:32.34 | lildude | wep encrption |
| 20:32.38 | CT-71 | i had X11 open on my one box and there are vulns n that |
| 20:32.44 | CT-71 | wep is wireless |
| 20:32.53 | alex__ | ok, I need some help, I have debian on my toshiba laptop and I have a flat screen that I would like to plug in as second monitor, I have installed xinerama and have followed the tutorial xineramahowto, basically I have two xorg.conf one for my laptop monitor and one for my other monitor. They both work fine but not together |
| 20:32.55 | CT-71 | so i firewalled |
| 20:32.58 | lildude | wrighty |
| 20:33.01 | lonewolff | Shadowcat: this is a rather important box, it shouldnt have been updating fro testing, but i didnt notice |
| 20:33.01 | chandoo | from which server can i get xserver-xorg |
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| 20:33.04 | Xentac | I have a couple of questions about how debian maintainers deal with multiple architectures, anyone wanna have a little /msg conversation? |
| 20:33.09 | lildude | what firewall ct |
| 20:33.10 | CT-71 | a firewall is always a good coice |
| 20:33.13 | abrotman | CT-71: wep is worthless encryption protocol ? |
| 20:33.15 | CT-71 | lildude, http://smoothwall.org/ |
| 20:33.15 | Shadowcat | lonewolff: well you really don't have a choice |
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| 20:33.19 | abrotman | !lart lildude |
| 20:33.20 | CT-71 | lol |
| 20:33.21 | Shadowcat | unless you want to risk a downgrade |
| 20:33.33 | CT-71 | abrot man huh |
| 20:33.35 | chandoo | what is rivafb |
| 20:33.35 | CT-71 | ??? |
| 20:33.36 | CT-71 | lol |
| 20:33.37 | Shadowcat | or run off Debian unstable |
| 20:33.41 | Shadowcat | if you're crazy enough |
| 20:33.55 | lonewolff | i'd just like to get mysql back lol |
| 20:34.03 | abrotman | you know .. for that matter . i'm not sure any linux distro supports downgrade |
| 20:34.09 | chandoo | i am getting this error while installing nvivida, says rivafb is compile into kernel and remove it |
| 20:34.09 | lildude | does debian have built in fire wall |
| 20:34.19 | Shadowcat | lonewolff: do it properly then |
| 20:34.20 | abrotman | iptables is about as close as it comes |
| 20:34.22 | CT-71 | iptables prolly |
| 20:34.23 | Shadowcat | install debian sarge |
| 20:34.25 | CT-71 | hehe |
| 20:34.26 | Shadowcat | with a new cdimage |
| 20:34.29 | alex__ | As said in the xinerama howto, I have Device Monitor and Screen for EACH monitor and a server Layout section, still only my laptop monitor work |
| 20:34.30 | Shadowcat | and stick to stable |
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| 20:34.50 | Shadowcat | because it's gonna be a LONG time before etch gets released |
| 20:34.52 | CT-71 | wait for IP tables is there a command to DROP all incoming connections???? |
| 20:34.56 | alex__ | and the VGA output that I have is on the same video card so my Device sections are identical |
| 20:35.06 | abrotman | CT-71: if you want to know about iptables .. netfilter.org or #iptables |
| 20:35.13 | CT-71 | k |
| 20:35.13 | abrotman | CT-71: and yes |
| 20:35.16 | chandoo | can any one help me on how to install xserver-xorg apt-get is not able to find what servers or mirrors i need to add |
| 20:35.19 | Shadowcat | I know for a fact evolution's broken in testing |
| 20:35.21 | CT-71 | cool |
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| 20:35.37 | Shadowcat | chandoo: why do you need xserver-xorg? |
| 20:35.58 | chandoo | nvidia is giving some errors with xfree86 |
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| 20:36.17 | Shadowcat | bullshit |
| 20:36.24 | chandoo | Shadowcat: i am getting rivafb is compiled into kernel |
| 20:36.28 | abrotman | i think it's a messed pile of sources |
| 20:36.38 | Shadowcat | chandoo: then FIX your kernel |
| 20:36.46 | Shadowcat | this has nothing to do with xfree86 |
| 20:36.53 | reddi | how do i set up wlan in debian in general (wep etc.?) |
| 20:37.00 | abrotman | chandoo: is this debian .. or something else ? |
| 20:37.02 | lildude | what is debian internal fire wall called |
| 20:37.06 | abrotman | reddi: iwconfig ? |
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| 20:37.08 | lildude | or do i need third party |
| 20:37.12 | theblue | Hi all. |
| 20:37.19 | cddesjar | i am trying to install debian on a compaq presario 5220 and i can't figure out how to boot from the cd. i know that it does. any ideas (other then googling it, since I already have)? |
| 20:37.20 | chandoo | i didnt find any such module loaded |
| 20:37.21 | Shadowcat | abrotman: it's chandoo's stupid kernel configuration |
| 20:37.21 | CT-71 | lildude iptables |
| 20:37.27 | drac | lildude: linux kernel has iptables, if you mean that.. |
| 20:37.29 | Shadowcat | chandoo: no shit |
| 20:37.32 | chandoo | abrotman: debian 3.1 |
| 20:37.37 | Shadowcat | that's because it's COMPILED INTO the kernel |
| 20:37.38 | CT-71 | lildude come to iptables |
| 20:37.39 | theblue | I'm running sarge, and I can 't set the screen resolution past 800x600, how do I make it go higher? |
| 20:37.44 | Shadowcat | it's IN the kernel |
| 20:37.48 | CT-71 | #iptables |
| 20:37.48 | Shadowcat | recompile your kernel |
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| 20:38.00 | theblue | I have vesa set as my X driver. |
| 20:38.01 | Shadowcat | and this time either compile it as a module or leave it off completely |
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| 20:38.13 | Shadowcat | theblue: that might be part of the problem? |
| 20:38.16 | drac | theblue: Huh, this ain't 90's anymore. |
| 20:38.27 | Shadowcat | vesa is awful |
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| 20:38.29 | justm3 | abrotman my way of downgrade it is adding this to apt_preferences "Package: * Pin: o=Debian Pin-Priority: 1001" and adding "APT::Default-Release "testing";" in apt.conf |
| 20:38.31 | theblue | I know. |
| 20:38.32 | sorush20 | guys.. I've been trying to sudo modprobe ndiswrapper on anther system and I keep getting the error "Fatal Error Ndiswrapper Insertion failed, permission denied.. can somone help please.. |
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| 20:38.35 | theblue | But how do I change my driver? |
| 20:38.38 | theblue | And what to? |
| 20:38.41 | drac | !drxx theblue |
| 20:38.42 | dpkg | theblue: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 20:38.44 | drac | theblue: what card ? |
| 20:38.49 | drac | theblue: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 20:38.50 | theblue | THanks/ |
| 20:38.54 | reddi | abrotman: okey and what about a gui? is there one? |
| 20:38.56 | AERUS | ÏÇÏ |
| 20:39.01 | abrotman | justm3: that won't downgrade your box ... but you keep thinking that |
| 20:39.05 | AERUS | ÎÕ ÛÏ ÐÅÒÃÙ |
| 20:39.05 | theblue | M450, I can't remember the manufacturer. |
| 20:39.08 | AERUS | Ï ÞÅÍ ÂÁÚÁÒ |
| 20:39.09 | lildude | epiany browser |
| 20:39.12 | Shadowcat | wtf |
| 20:39.16 | AERUS | ÁÇÁ |
| 20:39.16 | Shadowcat | !english |
| 20:39.17 | dpkg | english is probably a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 20:39.17 | abrotman | !ops AERUS general garbage |
| 20:39.17 | drac | !ops remove AERUS |
| 20:39.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: AERUS general garbage |
| 20:39.18 | AERUS | ÔÉÐÁ ÔÏÇÏ |
| 20:39.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: remove AERUS |
| 20:39.19 | lildude | how you clean temp files and history |
| 20:39.21 | CT-71 | i hate in Secureing your linux box tutorials it rambles on about physical security i mean im the only one using it........ |
| 20:39.29 | CT-71 | no one else |
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| 20:39.40 | abrotman | reddi: i thought iwconfig was gui :) |
| 20:39.43 | drac | helix: Thank you. |
| 20:39.43 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
| 20:39.56 | theblue | drac: Matrox MGA G400. |
| 20:40.00 | reddi | abrotman LOL |
| 20:40.04 | sorush20 | guys.. I've been trying to sudo modprobe ndiswrapper on anther system and I keep getting the error "Fatal Error Ndiswrapper Insertion failed, permission denied.. can somone help please.. |
| 20:40.10 | drac | theblue: Then you want driver "mga", should be in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xorg) |
| 20:40.15 | Shadowcat | !tell sorush20 about repeat |
| 20:40.16 | theblue | Ok, thanks./ |
| 20:40.19 | abrotman | reddi: i don't use advanced features of wifi .. so i just use dhcp |
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| 20:40.34 | drac | theblue: Actually, if you do "echo mga >> /etc/modules", and "modprobe mga" you should get 3D Accelleration with that driver. |
| 20:41.05 | theblue | drac: Ok, thanks. |
| 20:41.09 | chandoo | Shadowcat: i know to compile kernel using make menuconfig, is this the way in debian? i am getting error "you must install ncurses-devel in order to use" |
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| 20:41.35 | mathieu | chakie, make menuconfig is part of the debian way |
| 20:41.36 | Shadowcat | !tell chandoo about kernel-package |
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| 20:42.03 | abrotman | chandoo: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 20:42.49 | justm3 | abrotman ok, but i'm not understading why not! i already saw sites with that, but that's ok ;) maybe i'm wrong or not lol |
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| 20:43.02 | chandoo | :) i got it, i think my problem is not knowing the correct package names |
| 20:43.06 | w00ter | How do i check what version of the install cd's i have? |
| 20:43.09 | reddi | and what about time? i have winxp on the same vaio and i only need something like timezone (not seting up a new time) - if i go to windows, than the time is completely wrong - i am +2 hours but i dont know how to set it up that windows has the correct time too? |
| 20:43.09 | abrotman | justm3: that's not a downgrade .. |
| 20:43.15 | imatsu | as it is the grafic card is better, ati or nvidia? |
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| 20:43.36 | abrotman | justm3: do you understand what it means to downgrade? .. release *every* file with the version that is in etch .. |
| 20:43.50 | imatsu | as it is the grafica card is better?, ati or nvidia |
| 20:43.57 | abrotman | justm3: try it .. let me know what happens .. if it works .. make a write up for it .. so we can tell others how .. okay? |
| 20:44.01 | chandoo | abrotman: Shadowcat : is there any simple way to compile kernel other than make menuconfig |
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| 20:44.10 | sorush20 | Shadowcat: I'm repeatin the question since some people are engaged in conversation, and they migh know the answer but they are busy helping somone else and they miss my qustion, I'm not intending to screw things up... |
| 20:44.11 | abrotman | yeah .. make config :) |
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| 20:44.24 | Gospel | abrotman: btw, how have you been? thanks for all your help yesterday |
| 20:44.39 | drac | imatsu: ATi cards up to 9200, but not newer if you appereciate Open Source. Or if you don't care about that so much, any NVidia. |
| 20:44.45 | abrotman | Gospel: i dehydrated myself today .. i'm wiped out :) |
| 20:44.52 | abrotman | sorush20: and as root ? |
| 20:45.02 | Gospel | abrotman: hehe |
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| 20:45.10 | Gospel | abrotman: are u an op in here? |
| 20:45.15 | abrotman | Gospel: i had no idea it was so hot outside .. went for a bike ride with no water |
| 20:45.19 | abrotman | Gospel: "you" |
| 20:45.22 | abrotman | Gospel: and no .. |
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| 20:45.33 | Gospel | abrotman: i forgot :P are you an op in this channel? |
| 20:45.37 | abrotman | Gospel: and no .. |
| 20:45.38 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:45.40 | Gospel | abrotman: you should be :) |
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| 20:45.43 | imatsu | drac: thank you |
| 20:45.54 | abrotman | Gospel: don't tell me .. i don't think i can nominate myself :) |
| 20:46.00 | Gospel | abrotman: ok |
| 20:46.00 | sorush20 | abrotman: as root has not worked either.. I'm going to install the older version of ndiswrapper...I get the actual error that operation was not permitted.... |
| 20:46.03 | abrotman | nor do i know who you would tell :) |
| 20:46.09 | justm3 | abrotman, downgrade for me is replace packages with older packages |
| 20:46.14 | justm3 | *to |
| 20:46.17 | abrotman | sorush20: did you try the ndis in debian ? |
| 20:46.17 | Gospel | abrotman: who is the owner here and the main ops? |
| 20:46.17 | imatsu | mi ati card 9200 have glxgears 1400 frames per secods |
| 20:46.38 | abrotman | justm3: TRY IT! .. stop telling me it's possible .. go do it .. i'm telling you it's not possible .. prove me wrong |
| 20:46.50 | drac | imatsu: My 9200 hits 4000 in glxgears, with X.org. But keep in mind, glxgears IS NOT benchmark. |
| 20:47.21 | cddesjar | could someone tell me how to create a floppy boot disk for sarge using the net installation? |
| 20:47.50 | imatsu | I have the property software |
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| 20:47.53 | abrotman | Gospel: uhm .. /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 20:48.01 | Gospel | abrotman: ok |
| 20:48.03 | sorush20 | abrotman: I'm using Ubuntu but they both user the same packages... |
| 20:48.04 | abrotman | Gospel: and i don't know if that's up to date |
| 20:48.05 | w00ter | Net installer... hmm lets see if it's any good. |
| 20:48.14 | imatsu | and I use xfree86 |
| 20:48.23 | w00ter | If i find out it installed both gnome and kde i say it's shit. |
| 20:48.30 | abrotman | sorush20: no .. ubuntu and debian do not use the same packages |
| 20:48.37 | Gospel | mentor: is that op listing up to date? |
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| 20:48.54 | w00ter | It couldn't install grub under expert mode. |
| 20:49.01 | w00ter | Then kernel paniced on me .. |
| 20:49.14 | w00ter | So i did a 2.4 install. Welcome in 2003 :) |
| 20:49.25 | Gospel | w00ter: user error, not Grub error |
| 20:49.32 | w00ter | Oh tell me |
| 20:49.34 | imatsu | why do you have more frames? |
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| 20:49.50 | imatsu | drac why do you have more frames? |
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| 20:50.11 | w00ter | Gospel: explain to me if I let it install grub on my hd via expert mode it errors out (don't have to choose anything) and in newbie mode it works? |
| 20:50.16 | steppirotta | I have a question |
| 20:50.19 | drac | imatsu: Cause i've setupped X.org, and driver "radeon" in it just.. rocks. And added some funky options. ;-) |
| 20:50.23 | w00ter | Because I'd really like to hear that |
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| 20:50.48 | abrotman | steppirotta: just ask .. |
| 20:50.59 | Gospel | w00ter: because in expert mode other options open up by default, that YOU need to congifure for your system. |
| 20:51.14 | Gospel | w00ter: as I said, its user error, not Grub error |
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| 20:51.28 | chandoo | i found nvidia riva support in make menuconfig, is that the one i need to disable in order to remove rivafb? |
| 20:51.40 | misfitx7 | anyone belong to bitme.org? |
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| 20:51.53 | steppirotta | I have debian and i want to set so, that a user can see only his home dir. How can I do that? |
| 20:51.55 | Gospel | w00ter: many people always blame everything and anything else when things go wrong. But leaders and proactive people look at themselves as fault and find a solution |
| 20:52.14 | emurz | there is a nice package or something for kde it's called "gdesktop or g something that I don't remember, can anyone remind me of it |
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| 20:52.20 | Lee__ | I just got a kernel oops in sarge when mounting an XFS volume over USB. |
| 20:52.38 | abrotman | Lee__: you picked xfs for a usb drive? |
| 20:52.53 | Lee__ | no, it used to be an internal drive |
| 20:52.55 | covux | emurz: what is this package good for? |
| 20:52.57 | bucky | doesn't everyone? |
| 20:53.01 | Lee__ | it's in a USB enclosure |
| 20:53.33 | emurz | well for nicer icons and stuff |
| 20:53.34 | Lee__ | It did mount the partition and I can list contents |
| 20:53.37 | steppirotta | I have debian and i want to set so, that a user can see only his home dir. How can I do that? |
| 20:53.50 | Gospel | w00ter: thats something for you to ponder |
| 20:53.58 | abrotman | steppirotta: jail/chroot |
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| 20:54.59 | lildude | what is scroll keeeper |
| 20:55.12 | covux | emurz: apt-cache search kde-icons ? |
| 20:55.16 | steppirotta | thanks |
| 20:55.24 | emurz | it has different name |
| 20:55.30 | chandoo | what is use 4kb kernel stacks instead of 8kb ;;;;; any idea |
| 20:56.15 | lildude | scroll keeper on net install |
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| 20:56.25 | lildude | bust o took coffee break or nap |
| 20:56.33 | lildude | been working for 20 minites |
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| 20:56.36 | lildude | geez |
| 20:56.40 | kurt_ak | Is it possible to see the drive space left on a network drive?? |
| 20:56.46 | Lee__ | kurt_ak, df -h |
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| 20:57.01 | kurt_ak | Lee__: thanks, let's see |
| 20:57.09 | steppirotta | abrotman: could you say the exact command? |
| 20:57.11 | magyar | how can i disable "popunders" in firefox? |
| 20:57.13 | lildude | going to offer pc a donut maybe that make it happy |
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| 20:58.20 | theblue | Hi all. |
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| 20:58.22 | Lee__ | it looks like the kernel oops did nothing, as I can read and write to the filesystem. are there known issues with XFS and sarge? |
| 20:58.30 | ArodS2000 | lildude - try a new motherboard that usually works ;-P |
| 20:58.46 | lildude | could try that |
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| 20:58.52 | abrotman | !chroot |
| 20:58.52 | dpkg | from memory, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 20:58.53 | abrotman | !jail |
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| 20:59.09 | lildude | new mobo is good idea |
| 20:59.13 | kurt__ak | Lee__: works- thanks much, i didn't realize you could do df on networked drives. |
| 20:59.19 | xbm-x | wow finaly i find u guys on this hole |
| 20:59.23 | lildude | new mobo in closet |
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| 20:59.33 | lildude | and another one in case needing hd |
| 20:59.48 | lildude | plenty o parts here |
| 20:59.55 | w00ter | Gospel: I am sorry but that's such bullshit. |
| 21:00.05 | ArodS2000 | lildude - What type of mobo do you have |
| 21:00.19 | xbm-x | am i the only one here using DOS to chat on irc? |
| 21:00.25 | lildude | its ibm aptiva that has sarge |
| 21:00.26 | w00ter | I've been around for quite some time. Done a lot with debian. But I guess the cdrom I have now is shit. Will try another snapshot. |
| 21:00.42 | lildude | its gigibte in the tower needing hd |
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| 21:00.58 | lildude | duall p3 server chipset mobo in closet |
| 21:00.59 | w00ter | Gospel: the trouble with people isn't they blame everybody and all that. It's when something is shit they don't recognise it. |
| 21:01.05 | lildude | msi for this one |
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| 21:01.26 | chandoo | i am getting error while compiling kernel, "make no rule to make target 'init/main.o', needed by init/built-in.o stop |
| 21:01.30 | xbm-x | is it better for me to cheak my emails using telnet? |
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| 21:01.39 | chandoo | can any help on kernel compilation |
| 21:01.45 | ArodS2000 | lildude - have you seen those mobos for the amd 64 ? |
| 21:01.53 | marstewel | chandoo: what exactly do you require assistence with ? |
| 21:01.54 | Lee__ | chandoo, apt-get install kernel-package |
| 21:01.55 | lildude | yes |
| 21:01.56 | ArodS2000 | lildude - the asus np... whatever |
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| 21:02.06 | lildude | maybe do that one 64bit chain tech one |
| 21:02.08 | ArodS2000 | lildude - those are great I tested one other the other day |
| 21:02.11 | lildude | when i get cash |
| 21:02.21 | lildude | broke now unemployed |
| 21:02.28 | Gospel | w00ter its called the "victim mentality", they cant seem to see that THEY are at fault, so because they have a low self -esteem, they blame everything else |
| 21:02.28 | ArodS2000 | lildude - what do you do? |
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| 21:02.48 | itom | when you think that gnome2.10 come in sarge? |
| 21:02.54 | itom | ops |
| 21:02.57 | itom | come in testing? |
| 21:03.03 | w00ter | Gospel: nice going mr psychologist, but you're wrong. And that same mentality will get you nowhere. |
| 21:03.12 | chandoo | marstewel: Lee__ : i am removing nvidia riva module from kernel and compiling it , i am using make menuconfig |
| 21:03.15 | monolith | is gnome or kde the "preferred" wm in debian? no "its personal opinion stuff", which is more used by debian dudes? i'm assuming gnome since its GNU? |
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| 21:03.45 | Lee__ | how does DVD-R writing work with sarge? Shall I drop the cash and get a writer? |
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| 21:03.47 | w00ter | Gospel: if you were all proactive why didn't you even ask what was wrong ? |
| 21:03.51 | ArodS2000 | monolith - I prefer KDE , it has better packages |
| 21:04.09 | Lee__ | !tell chandoo about kernel-package |
| 21:04.17 | monolith | thx ArodS2000 :) any other opinions? |
| 21:04.23 | w00ter | This discussion is over. |
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| 21:04.43 | covux | monolith: imo kde is more "heavy weigth", gnome more for low performance machines |
| 21:04.44 | ilovekevinmitnic | is it true that kevin mitnick is on the top? |
| 21:04.48 | lagaluga | my wallpaper http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21746446/ pls yours thinks |
| 21:04.54 | monolith | somebody woke up on wrong side of bed :P |
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| 21:05.01 | Lee__ | monolith, I prefer a 1024x768 fb console + GPM but usually I use Gnome too keep up with trends. |
| 21:05.17 | monolith | covux: gotcha, well, high performance machine here, so that's not an issue. of course all my servers don't have X :) |
| 21:05.22 | monolith | but this is a desktop |
| 21:05.32 | monolith | and i haven't used debian since 1.something |
| 21:05.34 | monolith | :P |
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| 21:05.51 | xbm-x | hello |
| 21:05.52 | x-Al1gma | hello xbm-x |
| 21:06.02 | chandoo | Lee__: how to use kernel-package |
| 21:06.04 | Radiance | any one know if there is a module/solution for apache 2 to monitor the bandwidth over a certain time, like a month for a vhost ? |
| 21:06.05 | nunez | I'm leeching binaries from newgroups with pan and brag, but these programs are using 1.61gigs/2gigs of my ram and are using non of my swap space, my proc is running at 28% yet other programs are core dumping and E is running really slow? |
| 21:06.10 | monolith | well here's a simple way to tell which i'll use. which is better, evolution or kontact? :P |
| 21:06.19 | ArodS2000 | monolith - KDE 3 is great, check it out. |
| 21:06.20 | monolith | radiance: log analysis :P |
| 21:06.21 | pngwn | who owns x-Al1gma? |
| 21:06.23 | xbm-x | is it safe for me to cheak my emails using telnet????????? |
| 21:06.33 | monolith | xbm-x: duh, no |
| 21:06.35 | Lee__ | chandoo, read the documentation. man make-kpkg after installing it. |
| 21:06.38 | kurt__ak | How can i get an application (the gui) from pts/2 to 0? |
| 21:06.39 | asuffield | it's not safe to scratch your arse with telnet |
| 21:06.40 | xbm-x | so i dont get keylog or spyware |
| 21:06.42 | monolith | although i doubt anybody really gives a rats ass about your email :P |
| 21:06.46 | kurt__ak | I mean pts/0 |
| 21:06.47 | Radiance | monolith, yeah, but is there a module which can do the accounting or a tool available for linux ? :) |
| 21:06.52 | luite | I have a user mode linux process that hangs on copying files on a reiserfs image (doesn't seem to happen with ext3), is there a way to find out where exactly it hangs, and what could cause the problem? |
| 21:07.01 | asuffield | monolith: probably more interested in the password which happens to be the same as the one for shell access |
| 21:07.02 | monolith | Radiance: logfile analysis really is the best/proper way. |
| 21:07.06 | lildude | how i get out of x |
| 21:07.08 | Lee__ | monolith, evolution |
| 21:07.15 | lildude | then change my pass and root |
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| 21:07.23 | monolith | Lee__: thanks, since that's what i'll be spending 99% of my time in, that makes the decision easy :P |
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| 21:07.48 | charolastra | hi people |
| 21:07.49 | bigdude | lildude i owned u |
| 21:07.50 | covux | monolith: i personally prefer kde cause i use kmail and kprinter etc. but gnome also have cool progs for such purpose. try booth and kick the one you dont like ;-) |
| 21:07.50 | Lee__ | it does shared icalendars and multiple views for everything |
| 21:08.04 | lildude | how i cange my root |
| 21:08.10 | Lee__ | and talks to an exchange server if you're in a wack place like that. |
| 21:08.17 | monolith | covux: good idea :) |
| 21:08.30 | monolith | Lee__: na, i own the datacenter, my choice on MTA/Delivery |
| 21:08.39 | monolith | no exchange poo :P |
| 21:08.49 | charolastra | the package "locales" fails to set up proberly; can anyone help? |
| 21:08.58 | Radiance | monolith, so you say something like mrtg or a custom script will do ? |
| 21:08.59 | Lee__ | evolution's rad then. go for it. |
| 21:09.04 | xbm-x | is it true that bill gate is computer god? |
| 21:09.04 | beardy | charolastra: error message? |
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| 21:09.19 | charolastra | vi_VN.UTF-8...No definition for LC_NAME category found |
| 21:09.24 | Lee__ | xbm-x, stop trolling |
| 21:09.35 | beardy | !feed xbm-x |
| 21:09.41 | ohad | does anyone know a good anti-virus /anti spam testing website/engine? |
| 21:09.45 | bucky | xbm-x, no but he is Balmer's dominatrix |
| 21:09.45 | monolith | Radiance: yes, use logfile analysis tools to spit out whatever data you need, then you can graph it via mrtg or whatever floats your boat |
| 21:09.48 | ohad | i tried to use http://www.webmail.us/testvirus but i can't send more then one within 48 hours |
| 21:09.50 | xbm-x | uuummm food feed me |
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| 21:09.54 | monolith | Radiance: i do it over 12,000 servers so :) pretty sure it works |
| 21:09.56 | Lee__ | ohad, clamav and spamassasin |
| 21:10.13 | CptS | hi.. newbie needs help, anyone? |
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| 21:10.16 | abrotman | !ops xbm-x trolling |
| 21:10.17 | w00ter | Gospel: calling me a loser makes me giggle, lots. As far as being a professional: you're not. So much is obvious. |
| 21:10.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: xbm-x trolling |
| 21:10.19 | Lee__ | !ask |
| 21:10.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:10.32 | undomiel | hi, anyone knows why when i do ld --sort-section it says option not recognized |
| 21:10.33 | Radiance | monolith, ok thanks :) |
| 21:10.36 | undomiel | how can i fix it? |
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| 21:10.40 | monolith | lol! a trolling user bot! awesome |
| 21:10.46 | xbm-x | abrotman, stfu dude trolling my ass |
| 21:10.51 | CptS | I need to change my screen resolution and initial settings.. how do i do that? |
| 21:10.55 | monolith | Radiance: my pleasure buddy, there are tons of great apache logfile analysis tools, take your pick :) |
| 21:11.06 | lildude | cant get debian to take pass or user |
| 21:11.11 | chandoo | Lee__: with make-kpkg same error |
| 21:11.13 | lildude | how i change it to log in |
| 21:11.14 | beardy | !drxx CptS |
| 21:11.14 | dpkg | CptS: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 21:11.19 | monolith | just make sure to put all your users on seperate vhosts |
| 21:11.23 | bucky | !ops xbm-x trolling |
| 21:11.23 | monolith | but use a single logfile |
| 21:11.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: xbm-x trolling |
| 21:11.29 | monolith | otherwise you'll run out of FDs |
| 21:11.35 | chandoo | no rule to make target init/main.o |
| 21:11.38 | lildude | any way to do that |
| 21:11.40 | monolith | then use the analysis tool to parse apart that file and generate stats on each vhost |
| 21:11.43 | monolith | :) |
| 21:11.45 | xbm-x | im not trolling |
| 21:11.51 | abrotman | you're just an idiot |
| 21:11.58 | Lee__ | chandoo, than you configured your kernel wrong. |
| 21:12.01 | Zap-W | in in .forward file i have pipe blah blah $header_from: $header_subject:" , i use headers_charset = UTF-8 in exim4 main config file , it translates utf-8 code fine except! when the utf line is too long |
| 21:12.04 | streuner | !lart xbm-x |
| 21:12.06 | undomiel | hi, anyone knows why when i do ld --sort-section it says option not recognized, how can i fix it? |
| 21:12.10 | helix | cut it out |
| 21:12.14 | xbm-x | yes thats right |
| 21:12.31 | asuffield | helix: you're only here for the beatings |
| 21:12.37 | monolith | hey abrotman! great news, it took about 10 minutes and a little bit of googling, and i got a transparent bridging firewall + webserver up and running to play around with! very impressed, thank you again so much for your help yesterday! :) |
| 21:12.45 | helix | that's my raison d'etre wherever I go |
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| 21:12.56 | xbm-x | !lart streuner |
| 21:12.56 | Gospel | helix: hello |
| 21:12.58 | chandoo | Lee__: i just removed nvidia-riva module and saved the kernel configuration file and triying to run make |
| 21:13.12 | bucky | windows luser |
| 21:13.12 | abrotman | monolith: 10 minutes ? |
| 21:13.19 | lagaluga | hey |
| 21:13.22 | monolith | abrotman: yep, maybe 15 at the most |
| 21:13.24 | xbm-x | so what u hate windows |
| 21:13.26 | monolith | i was really impressed |
| 21:13.31 | abrotman | monolith: not bad at all |
| 21:13.34 | bucky | xbm-x, you' |
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| 21:13.38 | xbm-x | windows and linux dont have feelings |
| 21:13.46 | w00ter | I like windows so much, I bought it. Does that bother anybody? |
| 21:13.46 | monolith | nope! server1.corenode.com <-- that's the server behind the firewall |
| 21:13.49 | xbm-x | windows dont hate linux |
| 21:13.51 | bucky | xbm-x, you're in the wrong channel /join #windows |
| 21:13.54 | Lee__ | chandoo, what's the error? |
| 21:13.59 | Gospel | i love Debian, i dislike MS windows :) simple as that |
| 21:13.59 | lildude | debian locked me out wont take user or password |
| 21:14.06 | CptS | and, does anyone know how to configure compaq presario 1920 for debian? |
| 21:14.08 | lagaluga | ı make debian wallpaper pls visit |
| 21:14.08 | abrotman | lildude: can root login ? |
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| 21:14.11 | lagaluga | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21746446/ |
| 21:14.14 | asuffield | lildude: you mean you forgot your password |
| 21:14.21 | streuner | CptS: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 21:14.28 | lildude | no cant log in root |
| 21:14.29 | monolith | now i just have to read up on iptables so i can get some good filtering rules going, and toss on snort too |
| 21:14.32 | monolith | ;) |
| 21:14.38 | CptS | Thank you! |
| 21:14.39 | lildude | no i did not loos my pass |
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| 21:14.43 | abrotman | monolith: netfilter.org is a good start |
| 21:14.45 | lildude | its not leting me in |
| 21:14.45 | chandoo | Lee__: no rule to make target init/main.o is neded by init/built-in.o STOP |
| 21:14.45 | xbm-x | dude are u trying me |
| 21:14.53 | lildude | what? |
| 21:14.53 | abrotman | and uhm .. lartc ? or lart ? .. |
| 21:14.56 | undomiel | hi, anyone knows why when i do ld --sort-section it says option not recognized, how can i fix it? |
| 21:15.07 | streuner | xbm-x: /part #debian |
| 21:15.12 | monolith | abrotman: yea, i was reading there, they have some great documents :) i'm used to doing this stuff in IOS so it's a pleasant change lol |
| 21:15.14 | abrotman | how did he not get kicked ? |
| 21:15.18 | bucky | xbm-x, either install debian and come back or just leave |
| 21:15.30 | abrotman | monolith: it's not a bad thing to know either way :) |
| 21:15.31 | Gospel | how often does the magazine Linux World come out? |
| 21:15.32 | lildude | what can i doo |
| 21:15.39 | xbm-x | what did i do that was so bad for you? |
| 21:15.39 | abrotman | Gospel: once a month |
| 21:15.45 | theblue | Would any of you know how to make a Sarge box into a gateway for other PCs, hooked up to a switch? |
| 21:15.46 | abrotman | Gospel: and also linux journal exists |
| 21:15.47 | streuner | abrotman: helix is tired ;-) |
| 21:15.47 | Gospel | abrotman: ok! |
| 21:15.51 | drc | hmm, dosemus compilation takes long. |
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| 21:15.57 | lildude | abrotman |
| 21:15.59 | abrotman | Gospel: oh wait .. |
| 21:16.00 | Gospel | abrotman: ok! ty |
| 21:16.01 | monolith | theblue: yea, i did it yesterday for the first time :P |
| 21:16.02 | bucky | !tell xbm-x about topic |
| 21:16.10 | beardy | theblue: Be more specific. |
| 21:16.13 | abrotman | Gospel: i meant linux journal and linux magazine .. dunno about linux world |
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| 21:16.14 | lildude | my deiban refuse to take pass or root there speeled right |
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| 21:16.20 | lildude | what can i doo? |
| 21:16.25 | abrotman | lildude: caps lock key? |
| 21:16.31 | lildude | no |
| 21:16.31 | chandoo | Lee__: with make and make dpkg the error is same |
| 21:16.39 | lildude | il double check |
| 21:16.49 | xbm-x | i dont just a crap if i have windows and im on this channel i want to leaner linux so i can install it but u an ass hole |
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| 21:16.51 | chandoo | is it like do i need to install kernel source |
| 21:17.11 | lildude | something to do with 2.6 kernal |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | he didn't get banned how again ? |
| 21:17.14 | lildude | or gnome |
| 21:17.22 | bucky | !tell xbm-x about u |
| 21:17.44 | monolith | theblue: just edit /etc/network/options, change ip_forward=no to yes, then setup your private network interface to an internal ip range, then iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o EXTIF -j MASQUERADE |
| 21:17.45 | xbm-x | u is you |
| 21:17.49 | monolith | and bam, you're done |
| 21:17.49 | xbm-x | so u |
| 21:17.52 | monolith | maybe install dhcpd |
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| 21:18.08 | Lee__ | chandoo, use the kernel source from kernel.org, copy over the config from sarge's kernel and use make-kpkg. that's my formula. works good. |
| 21:18.17 | beardy | xbm-x: If you want to learn, be quiet and do so. Ask intelligent questions if you need help, don't upset people. |
| 21:18.26 | Lee__ | chandoo, copy config and 'make oldconfig' |
| 21:18.27 | TimFreeman | I have a Soekris box with Debian installed. It uses grub as the boot loader. It will sometimes be booting with no serial port and no console, and I would like grub to just do the default entry in menu.lst in that case. ... |
| 21:18.27 | TimFreeman | Now, instead, it waits for me to plug in the serial cable. What do I put in menu.lst to get grub to start even if there's no console and nothing plugged into the serial port? |
| 21:18.41 | monolith | theblue: if you want to bridge, install bridge-utils |
| 21:18.42 | monolith | then |
| 21:18.47 | lildude | abortman tried caps its off |
| 21:18.50 | undomiel | hi, anyone knows why when i do ld --sort-section it says option not recognized, how can i fix it? |
| 21:18.55 | lildude | stil cant get in to it |
| 21:19.01 | abrotman | lildude: keyboard broken ? |
| 21:19.07 | chandoo | Lee__: i am using apt-get to install kernel source. your comment |
| 21:19.08 | abrotman | lildude: is this an external box ? |
| 21:19.18 | lildude | yes |
| 21:19.25 | lildude | box acros the room |
| 21:19.29 | lildude | keybord works |
| 21:19.31 | monolith | to bridge the two interfaces: ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0; ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0; brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 eth0; brctl addif br0 eth1; ifconfig br0 up |
| 21:19.32 | abrotman | no .. external |
| 21:19.37 | abrotman | as in .. has a public IP |
| 21:19.39 | TimFreeman | undomiel: If I say "ld --help", it indeed doesn't list --sort-section as an argument. What do you want it to do? |
| 21:19.46 | lildude | i think so |
| 21:19.49 | monolith | that'll bridge the two network interface cards together at layer 2 |
| 21:19.49 | mwilson | undomiel: Probably because it's not a recognized option... tried actually reading the man page? |
| 21:19.51 | abrotman | you think so>? |
| 21:20.00 | lildude | well its on router |
| 21:20.00 | monolith | you can do whatever filtering you want on the br0 pseudo device |
| 21:20.01 | Lee__ | chandoo, don't know. the only reason I recompile a kernel is to upgrade it. |
| 21:20.03 | xbm-x | why cant linux be much easyer to install files or even unzip stuff why cant they install is it self? |
| 21:20.09 | lildude | and own ip |
| 21:20.13 | chandoo | ok |
| 21:20.17 | abrotman | lildude: what is the ip of the box ? |
| 21:20.17 | mwilson | xbm-x: What makes you think it's hard? |
| 21:20.24 | monolith | got it theblue? :) |
| 21:20.26 | abrotman | mwilson: xbm-x is a troll .. |
| 21:20.27 | chandoo | after i run make menuconfig i saved the new kernel file |
| 21:20.33 | Lee__ | xbm-x, stop trolling. |
| 21:20.36 | mwilson | abrotman: Ah. Thank you. |
| 21:20.37 | lildude | abort mon |
| 21:20.44 | lildude | if config to get its ip? |
| 21:20.45 | beardy | He could just be clueless though.. |
| 21:20.47 | monolith | eth0 and eth1 of course change it to whichever interfaces you're trying to bridge together |
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| 21:20.53 | abrotman | beardy: no .. he's certainly trolling |
| 21:20.55 | peter-t | where can i find a list which programs are "reconfigurable" |
| 21:20.56 | theblue | thanks, monolith. |
| 21:21.01 | peter-t | where is this information stored at? |
| 21:21.01 | streuner | !ops xbm-x trolling |
| 21:21.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: xbm-x trolling |
| 21:21.02 | monolith | you're welcome theblue :) |
| 21:21.07 | helix | christing fuck |
| 21:21.08 | undomiel | TimFreeman: Im running ifort(the intel fortran compiler) and it complains about --sort-section |
| 21:21.08 | abrotman | streuner: been done .. |
| 21:21.12 | helix | what is wrong with you people? |
| 21:21.14 | mwilson | peter-t: Why in the world would you need such a list? |
| 21:21.26 | lildude | abortnman what i do with that box ip? |
| 21:21.27 | xbm-x | streuner stfu dude damn it u piss me off |
| 21:21.29 | monolith | helix: what's wrong with your english? |
| 21:21.30 | peter-t | i just want to know where this information is stored |
| 21:21.31 | streuner | helix: scroll up, s(he) trolling the last 1/2 hour |
| 21:21.32 | undomiel | so i asume that there is somthing missing on this distribution, cause it works on Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, etc |
| 21:21.38 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 21:21.38 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@dialup-4.234.90.124.Dial1.Miami1.Level3.net] by helix |
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| 21:21.44 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
| 21:21.46 | streuner | thanks helix |
| 21:21.46 | undomiel | thats why im asking here.. |
| 21:21.46 | helix | monolith: nothing, afaict |
| 21:21.55 | monolith | helix: never heard christing fuck before hehe :) |
| 21:21.55 | undomiel | i googled it, but nothing |
| 21:21.56 | mwilson | undomiel: Yes, what's missing is you typing the proper option, as documented in the man page. |
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| 21:22.09 | monolith | helix: where'd you get that one from? or original content? that's kinda funny :P |
| 21:22.10 | undomiel | its not me |
| 21:22.13 | lildude | abortman want ip of that linuux box? |
| 21:22.14 | undomiel | its the ifort |
| 21:22.18 | covux | didnt it work if we just ignore trolls? |
| 21:22.19 | undomiel | the intel fortran compiler |
| 21:22.22 | helix | monolith: I don't remember |
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| 21:22.35 | undomiel | i read something about how to add that option to ld but on Red Hat 4 |
| 21:22.36 | monolith | well, either way, neat one :) *high five* |
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| 21:22.40 | streuner | covux: why we shouldn't? |
| 21:22.40 | abrotman | peter-t: /var/lib/dpkg/ip |
| 21:22.43 | abrotman | gah |
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| 21:22.45 | abrotman | peter-t: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 21:22.45 | peter-t | ok |
| 21:22.56 | peter-t | thank you :) |
| 21:22.58 | streuner | covux: s/shouldn't/should/ |
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| 21:23.01 | abrotman | lildude: no . i'm not going to your box .i just wanted to know if it was externally accessible |
| 21:23.05 | covux | streuner: cause if they get no response they will shut up.. maybe? |
| 21:23.09 | abrotman | peter-t: err . |
| 21:23.14 | abrotman | peter-t: /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.config :) |
| 21:23.19 | lildude | ok abortman i seee |
| 21:23.22 | streuner | covux: ignoring is not a way to solve problems |
| 21:23.26 | lildude | what the hell can i doo |
| 21:23.27 | peter-t | abrotman: ok |
| 21:23.34 | abrotman | peter-t: at least with dpkg-reconfigure .. many things have files in /etc/ where you can config them |
| 21:23.37 | monolith | mwilson: i think i remember you from way back when i used debian in 1.x days |
| 21:23.39 | drac | Is there an web blog / diary "program" written possibly with.. php ? for www site in apt ? |
| 21:23.44 | monolith | your nick looks really familiar :) |
| 21:23.57 | lildude | any ideas? |
| 21:24.01 | undomiel | mwilson: its not me, its the intel fortran compiler.. |
| 21:24.01 | mwilson | monolith: Couldn't be, as I never touched Debian before Potato. |
| 21:24.19 | undomiel | mwilson: ive read how to add that option, but for red hat 4 |
| 21:24.19 | covux | streuner: its about trolls and not problems. thay are problem i also cant ignore. |
| 21:24.26 | monolith | mwilson: hm, that's really strange, i'm pretty sure i used to talk to an mwilson a lot lol :P |
| 21:24.28 | mwilson | undomiel: I'm sure you have. |
| 21:24.28 | beardy | lildude: Why don't you write down what your problem is, without hitting Enter, and maybe someone can help you. |
| 21:24.29 | abrotman | lildude: have you been cracked ? |
| 21:24.30 | monolith | maybe you have a clone ;) |
| 21:24.36 | abrotman | beardy: he cant' login |
| 21:24.44 | undomiel | i also have another sistem with Ubuntu, and it has that option cause the intel fotran compiler doesnt complain about it |
| 21:24.49 | lildude | no one here can help me? |
| 21:24.51 | monolith | i think i was still using debian in potato too, so maybe that's it |
| 21:24.51 | streuner | covux: trolls are a known problem in IRC |
| 21:25.06 | mwilson | undomiel: So, you just chose not to listen at all to the answers you got, then? |
| 21:25.08 | bucky | undomiel, the intel compiler is proprietary.. you have to buy it to get the docs |
| 21:25.24 | undomiel | bucky: it has a non comercial version |
| 21:25.31 | bucky | undomiel, the intel compiler is proprietary.. you have to buy it to get the docs |
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| 21:25.44 | undomiel | im just jumping to conclusion on my former experience on other distributions of Linux |
| 21:25.49 | mwilson | bucky: No version of ld has a --sort-section argument. |
| 21:25.52 | beardy | abrotman: Yeah, I've figured that out, but oneliners like "no one can help me?" doesn't help him.. |
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| 21:26.01 | undomiel | this is the only distribution in wich i get that error message |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | beardy: feel free ... :) |
| 21:26.24 | covux | streuner: cause they get response and attention. troll nourish on attention. cut it and it dies |
| 21:26.27 | mwilson | bucky: Depending on what version of ld you have, you *may* have a '--sort-section <name|alignment>' argument. |
| 21:26.29 | undomiel | PATCH: Add --sort-section to ld. ... HJ Attachment: ld-sort-1.patch Description: Text |
| 21:26.29 | undomiel | document. Follow-Ups: Re: PATCH: Add --sort-section to ld: From: HJ Lu. ... |
| 21:26.30 | bucky | mwilson, i think it's -sort=org now or something according to the man page |
| 21:26.39 | undomiel | google this ld +"--sort-section" |
| 21:26.46 | stephon | How do i create user mailboxes i installed and configured sendmail and qpopper? Mail boxes arent created manually. |
| 21:26.55 | undomiel | first result if you dont belive me |
| 21:26.58 | bucky | undomiel, read the man page |
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| 21:27.10 | undomiel | bucky: i know what the man page says |
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| 21:27.13 | beardy | lildude: The box you can't login to, are you trying to log in over ssh, or does it have it's own keyboard and monitor which you are using now? |
| 21:27.14 | streuner | covux: its almost not possible, because #debian is frequently often... |
| 21:27.20 | mwilson | undomiel: How could you, you haven't read it. |
| 21:27.38 | undomiel | the reason im asking here its because i think there is a way to add that option to ld... |
| 21:27.45 | covux | streuner: ok. good point :-) |
| 21:27.48 | bucky | undomiel, there is no '--sort-section' in the man page |
| 21:27.49 | streuner | covux: stay here for while and you see what i mean |
| 21:27.55 | undomiel | mwilson: how can you know what i have or havent read |
| 21:28.00 | undomiel | i know there is no such option |
| 21:28.17 | undomiel | what im saying is that ive found information about it |
| 21:28.24 | undomiel | and IT IS IN UBUNTU |
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| 21:28.30 | undomiel | and many other distros |
| 21:28.30 | mwilson | undomiel: Because *I* read it, and therefore know what it says. Therefore, I also know that you could NOT have, or else you wouldn't be continually repeating what you're saying. |
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| 21:28.40 | mwilson | undomiel: Good for Ubuntu. How is that relevant? |
| 21:28.41 | bucky | undomiel, what does the intel compiler have to do with debian anyway? |
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| 21:28.54 | beardy | theblue: please don't /msg people before asking |
| 21:28.59 | covux | streuner: maybe we should add a point in topic like: just ignore trolling ;-) |
| 21:29.11 | undomiel | i need to run the intel fortran |
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| 21:29.23 | abrotman | why woudl you want to do that? |
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| 21:29.50 | bucky | it's faster than the gnu compiler |
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| 21:29.56 | mwilson | undomiel: Why do you think you need a Fortran compiler? |
| 21:29.57 | s0undt3ch | hello ppl |
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| 21:30.00 | bucky | especially with gentoo |
| 21:30.09 | undomiel | cause im a physics |
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| 21:30.14 | unf | APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) What is this ? ( Acer Aspire 5021WLMi with Debian Sarge ) |
| 21:30.23 | abrotman | bucky: obviously .. but fortran? :) |
| 21:30.29 | dogayonv | I just did a apt upgrade and x11-common in not instlling becuse its conflicting with an older version of real player that im using but when I try to apt remove real player it wont remove because of the problem with x11, what can I do? |
| 21:30.37 | s0undt3ch | this might be a dumb question, but and AMD@1GHz is considered an "Intel x86" machine for debian? |
| 21:30.38 | monolith | abrotman: fortran is used a LOT by the scientific community |
| 21:30.42 | monolith | just as a FYI |
| 21:30.45 | undomiel | im used to work with fortran |
| 21:30.48 | eka808 | is there anyone can explain to me why the compilation with the sources of a kernel don't work since 2weeks ? (i get errors on drivers/i2c/algos/i2c-algo-bit.o) I've a debian sarge |
| 21:30.51 | abrotman | monolith: i was joking .. |
| 21:30.53 | beardy | s0undt3ch: For everyone. |
| 21:30.57 | monolith | oh :P lol :P |
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| 21:31.10 | beardy | s0undt3ch: or well, not Intel, but x86. |
| 21:31.19 | undomiel | i used to do it on a Suse sistem, but i decided to try debian |
| 21:31.27 | abrotman | monolith: it's just not a common question here .. i expect in a few hours someone will want a COBOL setup done :) |
| 21:31.30 | undomiel | but i cannot get it working |
| 21:31.44 | crn | i've got sarge going. how do i tell if iptables is running? |
| 21:32.00 | lildude | there is no way to re enter a user or pas on debian |
| 21:32.03 | dogayonv | how do I force the removal of something? |
| 21:32.04 | mwilson | undomiel: Operating systems aren't something you "try" on a production system. |
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| 21:32.22 | monolith | abrotman: i still write COBOL/VS II, on an OS VS s/370 system |
| 21:32.22 | s0undt3ch | beardy: if on debian's site it talked about only x86, AMD is a x86, but talks about Intel x86, so the need for me to ask .... |
| 21:32.33 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: case mod complete...case temp 30.5 C and rising =D |
| 21:32.37 | abrotman | monolith: i'm sorry ... :) |
| 21:32.46 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: is that good or bad ? |
| 21:32.49 | undomiel | mwilson: why you keep writing stuff |
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| 21:32.59 | bucky | undomiel, i think you want --section-start sectionname=org in the man page |
| 21:33.03 | beardy | s0undt3ch: Can you give me the url? |
| 21:33.04 | undomiel | if you dont know how to do something it doesnt mean it cannot be done.. |
| 21:33.06 | abrotman | monolith: it could be worse i suppose :) |
| 21:33.06 | monolith | abrotman: lol :P its a hobby :P quick question too, i just installed gnome, i think X installed, but didn't configure itself. is there a "debian" way of configuring X? or just do it by hand? |
| 21:33.11 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: it used to be more like 36...pretty good. CPU is cooler too...31.5C down from 34 |
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| 21:33.18 | abrotman | !drxx monolith |
| 21:33.19 | dpkg | monolith: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:33.28 | abrotman | monolith: did you install xserver-xfree86 .. or just gnome ? |
| 21:33.29 | eka808 | is there anyone can explain to me why the compilation with the sources of a kernel don't work since 2weeks ? (i get errors on drivers/i2c/algos/i2c-algo-bit.o) I've a debian sarge, please help me i MUST find quickly :(:(: |
| 21:33.30 | monolith | abrotman: yea, i could be writing C#/.NET crap, and my soul would burn in hell :P |
| 21:33.30 | mwilson | undomiel: Not once did I say I didn't know how to do something, or that something couldn't be done. |
| 21:33.36 | undomiel | bucky: the problem is that the fortran compiler use that option.. |
| 21:33.40 | undomiel | i dont know why |
| 21:33.47 | abrotman | monolith: normally .. if you have no HDD space concerns .. apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 21:33.54 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: i slapped an air conditioner filter across that mesh on the case |
| 21:34.01 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: hehe |
| 21:34.08 | mwilson | A supposed physicist who cannot spell. Heaven help the profession. |
| 21:34.08 | bucky | undomiel, you do know that gnu has a nice fortran compiler don't you? |
| 21:34.18 | abrotman | mwilson: as long as he can add .... |
| 21:34.19 | undomiel | you are imlicitly saying it |
| 21:34.31 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: he doesn't have to add...that's what a calculator is for |
| 21:34.38 | abrotman | monolith: there are worse things than C#/.NET .. i've seen them :) |
| 21:34.38 | undomiel | im ignoring you, you really have some personal issues |
| 21:34.50 | undomiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.57 | monolith | abrotman: ops, just installed gnome :P |
| 21:34.59 | abrotman | undomiel: you don't have to announce |
| 21:35.00 | undomiel | nice message.. |
| 21:35.07 | abrotman | monolith: yeah .. that will get you remote apps :) |
| 21:35.07 | streuner | covux: where do you live in .de? |
| 21:35.24 | monolith | abrotman: guess i should install x too :P is xorg not in 3.1? |
| 21:35.29 | mwilson | He must be going to school in the US. |
| 21:35.32 | abrotman | monolith: nope .. sadly |
| 21:35.33 | undomiel | bucky: that compiler doesnt work really nice on heavy programs |
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| 21:35.34 | covux | streuner: yep |
| 21:35.40 | dogayonv | how do you ignore someone in bitchx? |
| 21:35.42 | Lee__ | is there a way to allow root logins via ssh based on an IP whitelist? |
| 21:35.44 | monolith | abrotman: well it'll probably be in 3.2 :) |
| 21:35.45 | abrotman | monolith: you can use unofficial packages .. though i've not heard about thier quality |
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| 21:35.53 | Lee__ | and non-root from everywhere? |
| 21:35.53 | abrotman | dogayonv: /help ignore |
| 21:35.54 | streuner | covux: yep? |
| 21:35.56 | dogayonv | thanks |
| 21:35.57 | covux | streuner: bavarian -> wuerzburg |
| 21:36.06 | dogayonv | lol no help available yet |
| 21:36.09 | EvilSporkMan | well, thanks for the advice on the filter, shingouz and abrotman |
| 21:36.10 | abrotman | monolith: it better be :) |
| 21:36.11 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hello, how can i can't access my digital camera as a normal user, but can as a root... can anyone tell whether this is a hotplug permissions problem? |
| 21:36.18 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: running hotter/cooler? |
| 21:36.18 | beardy | Lee__: Can't you su? |
| 21:36.22 | monolith | abrotman: i'll stick to official and migrate once 3.2 is out :P |
| 21:36.23 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: did you reverse the other fan too ? |
| 21:36.29 | abrotman | monolith: good plan :) |
| 21:36.34 | undomiel | well i think no one can help me here |
| 21:36.35 | Lee__ | beardy, automated backup script with rsync + ssh |
| 21:36.36 | mwilson | People still use BX? I'd have thought that all the BX users would be on xchat by now. |
| 21:36.47 | undomiel | thanks for trying for those who did |
| 21:36.48 | monolith | mwilson: i use epic4 by in large :P |
| 21:36.49 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: it's cooler - all i did was reverse the fan and put that filter on the side of the case |
| 21:36.52 | streuner | covux: What do you think about 'Stoiber's' statements? |
| 21:36.53 | abrotman | monolith: or you could go to etch/testing after xorg/gcc transition in |
| 21:37.00 | beardy | Lee__: Ok, and sudo can't do what you need? |
| 21:37.04 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: give it a bit .. you'll find out |
| 21:37.14 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: the filter is for dust .. not cooling :) |
| 21:37.17 | monolith | abrotman: this is going to be installed across 150 workstations if i like it, so i'll stick to stable :P |
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| 21:37.24 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: yeah, i know...the fans were filtered before anyway |
| 21:37.25 | abrotman | monolith: oh .. good plan |
| 21:37.31 | monolith | these aren't "Fun" machines, these are "Work" machines :P |
| 21:37.32 | bucky | undomiel, xild is the driver to the ?ld? command and is provided. with the Intel Compiler according to ld+intel fortran compiler on google.com |
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| 21:37.41 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: cooler is better |
| 21:37.46 | abrotman | monolith: isn't that the same ? |
| 21:37.50 | SammyTheSnake | can anyone here tell me why having php and php4-mysql doesn't seem to be enough to stop me getting "undefined function mysql_pconnect()" errors? |
| 21:38.01 | reddi | can i see somewhere, which hdax is which partition for mounting? |
| 21:38.01 | Lee__ | beardy, perhaps... |
| 21:38.07 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: cooling is more important than reducing dust? I'm gonna be in a dorm...pretty dusty environment iirc |
| 21:38.08 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: libapache-mod-php4 or libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 21:38.17 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: and also make sure it's uncommented in the php.ini |
| 21:38.25 | Lee__ | always forget about sudo... |
| 21:38.44 | w00ter | Was looking for the ignore button. |
| 21:38.48 | w00ter | Haven't found it yet. |
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| 21:38.57 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: no .. both are important .. but dorms are dusty .. you will get dust in your case no matter what .. and be happy if you don't get cola in it :) |
| 21:39.03 | covux | streuner: well, stoiber always forgets when he speaks in public that he dont stand in a little pub with "stammtisch-people" cause that are his roots ;-) and he is a moron.. |
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| 21:39.13 | monolith | abrotman: no, "Fun" machines can have bleeding edge stuff all over, "Work" machines just have stable stuff, features really aren't a big part of decision making :) |
| 21:39.19 | undomiel | http://www.kpitgnutools.com/manuals/ld.html |
| 21:39.21 | bucky | undomiel, xild is the driver to the ?ld? command and is provided. with the Intel Compiler according to ld+intel fortran compiler on google.com |
| 21:39.22 | undomiel | read there.. |
| 21:39.23 | reddi | my ntfs partitions are not @ fstab, my external usb hd is there....i think that it is cause there are some entries missing @ fstab - but i need the exact /dev/hdax for mounting.... |
| 21:39.34 | abrotman | monolith: sadly .. i find making the "work" machines stable fun .. :) |
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| 21:39.35 | streuner | covux: well, he isn't a newbie... ;-) |
| 21:39.41 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: should i be concerned that my exhaust fans are effectively fighting each other? |
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| 21:39.52 | undomiel | bucky: ok, ill look into it.. |
| 21:39.53 | bucky | undomiel, you are using the wrong linker.. intel comes with it's own |
| 21:39.56 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: nope .. i doubt you'll cause a black hole :) |
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| 21:40.04 | beardy | Lee__: Have a look at it. I'm not sure which would be "best" a whitelist, or sudo? |
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| 21:40.16 | monolith | abrotman: :P Fatal server error: could not open default font fixed :P wow. |
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| 21:40.36 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 21:40.36 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 21:40.37 | monolith | i messed up, didnt install x-windw-system pkg :P |
| 21:40.50 | abrotman | monolith: oh .. you should :) |
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| 21:40.53 | covux | streuner: someone should tell that his election campaign task force ;-) |
| 21:40.58 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: yeah but one not used to fluid dynamics would represent fan air flow with a vector, assume the fans have similar flow rates, and wonder if the fans pointing in opposite directions did more harm than good |
| 21:41.00 | abrotman | monolith: x-window-system or x-window-system-core |
| 21:41.05 | mwilson | undomiel: Funny, that page says '--sort-section <name|alignment>', same as the Debian man page does. |
| 21:41.13 | monolith | abrotman: yea, i'm doing the first of those two now :) |
| 21:41.17 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: is this the line I want to uncomment? extension=mysql.so |
| 21:41.19 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: is the rest of the case airtight ? |
| 21:41.22 | mwilson | undomiel: But of course you'd read the man page. |
| 21:41.23 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: yes |
| 21:41.25 | EvilSporkMan | why do fonts look so nice on knoppix as opposed to my normal install? |
| 21:41.26 | mwilson | <snicker> |
| 21:41.34 | undomiel | bucky: ok...export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/intel/fc/9.0/lib/ |
| 21:41.42 | abrotman | mwilson: i htink he ignored you... a while ago |
| 21:41.52 | mwilson | abrotman: I know he has. Sad, really. |
| 21:41.54 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: thanks. do I need to /etc/init.d/somethingorother force-reload or anything like that? |
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| 21:42.00 | streuner | covux: his task force or 'Merkels' ?;-) |
| 21:42.03 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: yep .. restart apache |
| 21:42.10 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: except for the giant opening in the side that was the focus of the previous discussion, mostly |
| 21:42.13 | monolith | i love font nazis :P i've seen people go psycho over slight differences in font rendering, when really, who gives a flying poo :P |
| 21:42.18 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: no it's not :) |
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| 21:42.38 | mwilson | abrotman: It's really amazing these days how many people get truly offended when you expect them to be able to read. |
| 21:42.39 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: you've got cracks around plates .. around slots in the back .. around the ports .. there's air coming in everywhere |
| 21:42.50 | undomiel | hahahahha |
| 21:42.51 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: thus "mostly" |
| 21:42.52 | abrotman | mwilson: why .. i never! |
| 21:42.53 | Bac9 | is there a way to turn off font antialiasing for at least gtk apps? |
| 21:42.55 | undomiel | this is really funny... |
| 21:42.56 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: that seems to have done the trick. many thanks :D |
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| 21:43.02 | abrotman | monolith: i'm with you about fonts :) |
| 21:43.05 | undomiel | it was a languaje issue |
| 21:43.07 | streuner | covux: They recommend things, but the last decision is up on the guys itself... |
| 21:43.07 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: no problem |
| 21:43.14 | undomiel | a export LC_ALL=C fixed it.. |
| 21:43.21 | abrotman | monolith: as long as it's legible .. i don't really care |
| 21:43.32 | EvilSporkMan | i just thought there was a look_nice=true line i had to put in a config file for pretty fonts or apt-get nice-fonts |
| 21:43.36 | undomiel | thanks anyway, im writing a howto now for it.... |
| 21:43.43 | abrotman | undomiel: that's kind of silly .. |
| 21:43.47 | mwilson | *He's* writing a howto? |
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| 21:43.49 | covux | streuner: maybe he should concentrate on bavaria and leave the rest of germany alone with his farmer-bullshit... and maybe succeed in doing so. *urgs* |
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| 21:43.59 | abrotman | apparently |
| 21:44.07 | bucky | mwilson, yeah.. thanks anyway.. we taught him how to use google |
| 21:44.20 | streuner | covux: don't forget the frustration of loosing the last battle ... |
| 21:44.23 | undomiel | im not he |
| 21:44.23 | mwilson | It'll be a marvel of fractured English. |
| 21:44.25 | undomiel | im her |
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| 21:44.39 | abrotman | undomiel: you're her? |
| 21:44.45 | beardy | mwilson: heh |
| 21:44.52 | abrotman | you're here ? |
| 21:44.59 | undomiel | read my nickname.. |
| 21:45.02 | abrotman | and? |
| 21:45.04 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: no, undomiel said she's a she |
| 21:45.10 | abrotman | i'm confused |
| 21:45.13 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: "im not he / im her" |
| 21:45.17 | abrotman | should i get something out of the nick? |
| 21:45.29 | EvilSporkMan | and undomiel is probably a female elf in a tolkien book |
| 21:45.33 | bucky | is that a female name? |
| 21:45.39 | monolith | abrotman: nice, x all running and sexy :) playing with evolution now. i'm really really impressed by debian ;) it's come a long long way since 1.x :) |
| 21:45.55 | EvilSporkMan | monolith: that's why the version number has gone up =P |
| 21:46.05 | abrotman | monolith: i only started using it with slink or so .. and it was decent then |
| 21:46.16 | abrotman | maybe hamm . i can't remember |
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| 21:46.24 | monolith | abrotman: ahh :) evilsporkman: hehe :P good point :P |
| 21:46.40 | abrotman | monolith: linux has gotten better i guess eh? :) |
| 21:46.46 | EvilSporkMan | bucky: surely ;) |
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| 21:47.23 | covux | streuner: youre right. to be honest. iam not so much interessted in politic issues right now. maybe sometime i will regret that when the shit is burning... |
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| 21:47.52 | bucky | covux, burning shit smells bad! |
| 21:48.00 | streuner | haha |
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| 21:48.14 | covux | bucky: i fear that smell :-) |
| 21:48.15 | undomiel | ok, goodbye |
| 21:48.21 | monolith | abrotman: a lot better :) i switched to freebsd way back when, because of ... issues :) |
| 21:48.28 | undomiel | thanks |
| 21:48.28 | monolith | but things have really gone well since then i could see :) |
| 21:48.30 | abrotman | monolith: issues ? |
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| 21:48.41 | abrotman | monolith: you wanted to have issues? .. it was too easy? |
| 21:48.45 | monolith | abrotman: problems with performance on servers ;) |
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| 21:49.00 | streuner | covux: IRC should be fun (TM) .... |
| 21:49.03 | monolith | i wasn't happy with the 1.x branch of linux, obviously, too new :P |
| 21:49.09 | abrotman | monolith: oh .. well .. i guess the first time i really cared about that .. potato was out already ... |
| 21:49.11 | monolith | and 2.0 really didn't make it much better. |
| 21:49.21 | abrotman | monolith: and it was certainly better than win2k :) |
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| 21:49.31 | abrotman | erm .. maybe it was woody |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | nope .. potato |
| 21:49.48 | monolith | abrotman: hehe, :P |
| 21:50.01 | misfitx7 | womp |
| 21:50.02 | covux | streuner: yeah :-) and spreading debian is my contribution to society (instead of being active in politic stuff) |
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| 21:50.04 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: are you just starting Uni this fall ? |
| 21:50.31 | drw0mbat | can someone here give me some support with deb? |
| 21:50.37 | abrotman | drw0mbat: ask away |
| 21:50.42 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: yes, but i'll be a sophomore (AP cred) |
| 21:51.01 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: so you get to have fun in public showers and girls and keg stands ? |
| 21:51.12 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: erm . i mean .. in the library |
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| 21:51.19 | monolith | hm, what's the preferred MTA for debian servers? and also the retrieval server? (aka imap or pop3) |
| 21:51.29 | monolith | is it EXIM/courier? or what? |
| 21:51.33 | Kelv^ | imap on courier |
| 21:51.35 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: i was actually going to try skipping the kegstands |
| 21:51.38 | NeoZero | bye |
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| 21:51.39 | Kelv^ | and exim4 |
| 21:51.45 | abrotman | monolith: exim is default .. preferred is up to you .. i find postfix to be quite easy |
| 21:51.50 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: why? |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | monolith: and evolution does imap/pop3 |
| 21:52.02 | monolith | keiv: what about that new imap server, i forget it's name, everybody is always talking about it |
| 21:52.03 | drw0mbat | is questioning not allowed in this chan? |
| 21:52.04 | abrotman | oh .. server |
| 21:52.12 | abrotman | drw0mbat: i told you to ask :) |
| 21:52.16 | monolith | abrotman: yea, i know, evolution is downloading all 57,000 of my emails right now :P |
| 21:52.18 | drw0mbat | oh |
| 21:52.19 | drw0mbat | lol ;) |
| 21:52.22 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: what's the point in getting drunk and puking all over? (never had any alcohol except half a glass of champagne and half a glass of red wine) |
| 21:52.25 | drw0mbat | i just installed deb 4.2 kernel i think |
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| 21:52.32 | drw0mbat | and like i had some errors on the install |
| 21:52.38 | monolith | EvilSporkMan: i love to have a good drink with friends, no need to get drunk and puke all over |
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| 21:52.46 | monolith | and btw, you can get drunk without puking :P |
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| 21:52.52 | drw0mbat | agpa something or other i think it has to do with a onboard vga something, and ide scsi, ide mod and ide-floppy |
| 21:52.53 | streuner | drw0mbat: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 21:52.53 | drw0mbat | errors |
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| 21:52.56 | Kelv^ | monolith, no idea, which new imap server? |
| 21:52.57 | drw0mbat | 2.4 |
| 21:52.57 | monolith | <-- drinks one glass of wine a day |
| 21:53.00 | EvilSporkMan | monolith: a kegstand is well on the way to puking, yes? |
| 21:53.01 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: i've only thrown up .. maybe 5 times in my entire life ... and i graduated from college .. 5 or so years ago |
| 21:53.04 | monolith | kelv: let me go try to find the name :P |
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| 21:53.04 | drw0mbat | 2.4.27 |
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| 21:53.18 | drw0mbat | the server is a POS PII |
| 21:53.20 | monolith | EvilSporkMan: na, i've done those in college years ago without puking :P just gotta know when to call it quits |
| 21:53.20 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: and i've done my fair share .. not nearly as much anymore |
| 21:53.24 | drw0mbat | im tryin to run a radiostation off it |
| 21:53.28 | streuner | drw0mbat: what kind of errors? |
| 21:53.37 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: just drink til you think all the girls are cute ... and stop .. easy as pie |
| 21:53.38 | drw0mbat | the only ACTUAL error i got |
| 21:53.46 | drw0mbat | was Modeprobe -V 8129too |
| 21:53.49 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: no booze needed then =P |
| 21:53.53 | monolith | yea, you don't want beer goggles EvilSporkMan, watch the intake :P |
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| 21:54.08 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: you haven't seen all your classmates yet |
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| 21:54.36 | drw0mbat | But Im trying to get net packages and my ethernet card has no drivers the card is so old i dont know the model or maker i got some generic drivers (i think) off the net and i cant get debian to let me onto the a:\ drive to install them |
| 21:54.50 | abrotman | drw0mbat: lspci might help you |
| 21:55.01 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: good point...and we're not offtopic at all ;) |
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| 21:55.04 | drw0mbat | is that a user? or a webpage? |
| 21:55.07 | streuner | drw0mbat: lspci -v | grep -i eth |
| 21:55.20 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: you going for compsci or related? and where to ? |
| 21:55.21 | monolith | kelv^: found it, dovecot |
| 21:55.25 | drw0mbat | What are those commands going to do? |
| 21:55.29 | streuner | drw0mbat: run that as root and tell us the output |
| 21:55.29 | abrotman | drw0mbat: it's a program :) |
| 21:55.34 | drw0mbat | Ok |
| 21:55.36 | drw0mbat | Just a sec :P |
| 21:55.46 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: compsci (in college of engineering) or compeng (compeng if it's not too scary) at University of Michigan |
| 21:55.58 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: is that spartans or wolverines ? |
| 21:56.04 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: wolverines |
| 21:56.05 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: i was born in Frankfort |
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| 21:56.10 | drw0mbat | just a quick q do yall think a PII would be ok to run 1 maybe 2 radiostations? |
| 21:56.15 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: is that in michigan? =P |
| 21:56.28 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: up near trevor city or whatever it's called |
| 21:56.29 | monolith | drw0mbat: depends on how many listeners |
| 21:56.31 | EvilSporkMan | drw0mbat: you mean like icecast? |
| 21:56.34 | imango | I have a thinkpad x31 ibm laptop, I installed alsa as a driver on it, it work fine when I tried it on sound events but when I tried to play anmp3 file using totem, the file plays but no sound output...could you help please?... |
| 21:56.37 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: traverse city? |
| 21:57.03 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: yes .. but a little down on the left side .. i don't know what else is near that |
| 21:57.03 | drw0mbat | \yeah ice or shout |
| 21:57.20 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: don't worry about it...when i think "north of here", i think "trees" and "boring" |
| 21:57.27 | abrotman | imango: did you tell totem to use alsa ? |
| 21:57.38 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: you're in the south part? |
| 21:57.47 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: macomb county |
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| 21:57.53 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: think .. cities :) |
| 21:58.04 | abrotman | no idea what macomb is |
| 21:58.07 | abrotman | or where |
| 21:58.09 | imango | abrotman: no, how do I do that? |
| 21:58.23 | monolith | drw0mbat: how many listeners? |
| 21:58.29 | monolith | and what stream quality? |
| 21:58.38 | monolith | and are you just streaming files? or broadcasting something live? |
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| 21:58.59 | abrotman | imango: which backend ? |
| 21:59.00 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: eastern base of the thumb |
| 21:59.01 | dogayonv | drw0mbat: I think if you ran without X and command line only you should be able to do it |
| 21:59.04 | kelv | monolith, dovecot looks interesting :-) |
| 21:59.09 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: down toward ohio eh? |
| 21:59.14 | monolith | kelv: yea, i've heard lots of great things about it... |
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| 21:59.20 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: like under detroit ? |
| 21:59.21 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macomb_County%2C_MI |
| 21:59.45 | imango | abrotman:sorry do not understand what you mean by backend?, can you clarify please?. |
| 21:59.48 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: close |
| 21:59.55 | abrotman | imango: totem-xine or totem-gstreamer? |
| 21:59.55 | streuner | !tell Lanix about away |
| 22:00.00 | abrotman | !tell |
| 22:00.01 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:00.03 | drw0mbat | Abortman: the first Command showed me information about my computer |
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| 22:00.04 | kelv | monolith, but is your server for your own use, or otherwise? if otherwise, might want to use something with a longer history, less risky |
| 22:00.05 | drw0mbat | Saying it was a CPQ |
| 22:00.08 | Lanix | sorry |
| 22:00.11 | abrotman | drw0mbat: lspci ? |
| 22:00.12 | drw0mbat | Abortman: but the second do anything |
| 22:00.14 | drw0mbat | yes |
| 22:00.14 | drw0mbat | lspci |
| 22:00.21 | abrotman | drw0mbat: how old is your computer? |
| 22:00.28 | monolith | kelv: it's actually going to be running on 640 servers to start, eventually about 12k. |
| 22:00.36 | monolith | buncha quad opteron machines |
| 22:00.37 | drw0mbat | I dont know |
| 22:00.41 | woddf2 | I know to put "modprobe sb" in /etc/inittab, but where in /etc/inittab should I put it? |
| 22:00.42 | drw0mbat | its actually one that was given to me |
| 22:00.51 | drw0mbat | its a pentium II |
| 22:00.52 | woddf2 | (I want modprobe sb to run at boot) |
| 22:00.55 | imango | abrotman:totem-xine |
| 22:00.55 | kelv | monolith, cool :) |
| 22:00.59 | drw0mbat | theres a stamp on the inside that was Feb 10 1999 |
| 22:01.03 | drw0mbat | says* |
| 22:01.03 | EvilSporkMan | after i run bittorrent on my music server for any length of time, my internet connection slows to about 20 KB/sec downstream (after i quit bittorrent). I suspect it's my Linksys wireless router dying...is there anything i can do about that? |
| 22:01.08 | abrotman | drw0mbat: is the NIC ISA? |
| 22:01.11 | streuner | woddf2: edit /etc/modules |
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| 22:01.19 | woddf2 | OK |
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| 22:01.23 | ivanney | hello |
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| 22:01.24 | x-Al1gma | hello ivanney |
| 22:01.24 | abrotman | imango: iirc .. xine uses the OSS compatibility stuff |
| 22:01.34 | ivanney | je;;p x-Al1gma |
| 22:01.39 | ivanney | hello,sorry |
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| 22:01.44 | streuner | abrotman: xine uses everything you want |
| 22:01.53 | abrotman | streuner: hrm .. |
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| 22:02.04 | streuner | abrotman: ALSA, OSS whatevery you want |
| 22:02.08 | green_earz | drw0mbat: here i use full doc to bookmark "Debian Reference" > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 22:02.10 | woddf2 | I put sb below psmouse |
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| 22:02.14 | woddf2 | I hope this works |
| 22:02.17 | woddf2 | If it does, thanks |
| 22:02.20 | woddf2 | Oodbyegay |
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| 22:02.24 | green_earz | drw0mbat: sorry here is |
| 22:02.36 | cn | i have error when i remove a pkg |
| 22:02.39 | Pezz453 | where do apt-get install packages usual go? heh I installed wine... cant find it. |
| 22:02.45 | Phoenix92x | hi, I'm having a problem setting my IP address and getting the screen resolution the size I want it using the 2.6.8-686 kernel and running gnome, can anyone help me? |
| 22:02.51 | abrotman | streuner: but doesn't it go trhough the OSS compat stuff that alsa has ? |
| 22:02.59 | abrotman | !tell Phoenix92x about interfaces |
| 22:03.03 | abrotman | !drxx Phoenix92x |
| 22:03.04 | dpkg | Phoenix92x: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:03.04 | imango | abrotman: Sorry I do not understand what you mean by "iirc .. xine uses the OSS compatibility stuff" I am a newbie still... |
| 22:03.07 | streuner | abrotman: shrug |
| 22:03.15 | EvilSporkMan | Pezz453: /usr/bin ? apt-file show wine |
| 22:03.30 | abrotman | imango: your sound works .. but mp3 does not ? correct? |
| 22:03.34 | cn | when i do apt-get remove kernel-image-2.6.8 i have some errors and it can't be disinstalled why? |
| 22:03.38 | Phoenix92x | I already tried using dpkg-reconfigure xsrever-xfree86 |
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| 22:03.44 | Phoenix92x | for some reason its not writing to the config file |
| 22:03.47 | streuner | abrotman: you say to 'xine' use ALSA or OSS |
| 22:03.59 | liable | !xmd5 |
| 22:03.59 | abrotman | Phoenix92x: then try the resolution picker in Applicatinos -> Desktop PReferences |
| 22:03.59 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 22:04.00 | imango | abortman: yes that is right! |
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| 22:04.13 | green_earz | Phoenix92x: and for your ethernet install "etherconf" to help you setup the ether card ip apt-cache show etherconf |
| 22:04.23 | abrotman | streuner: i don't remember ever telling xine |
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| 22:04.31 | Phoenix92x | thank you, let me do that for each of these.. |
| 22:04.34 | abrotman | drw0mbat: please keep it in the channel .. |
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| 22:04.37 | Phoenix92x | I um...did kinda edit xconfig |
| 22:04.38 | Phoenix92x | lol |
| 22:04.45 | dogayonv | Pezz453: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 22:04.49 | abrotman | drw0mbat: if you type lspci .. do you see a network controller ? |
| 22:05.08 | cn | how can i remove a pkg that give problems to go out? |
| 22:05.10 | drw0mbat | It scrolls very fast |
| 22:05.15 | drw0mbat | But ill try again |
| 22:05.16 | drw0mbat | sorry i have 1 kb |
| 22:05.20 | drw0mbat | so i have to reconnect it |
| 22:05.21 | drw0mbat | to and from |
| 22:05.48 | imango | abortman: that is right |
| 22:06.09 | abrotman | imango: what if you try xmms ? and tell xmms to use alsa ? |
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| 22:07.04 | Mele|IdW | Sers |
| 22:07.06 | beardy | drw0mbat: lspci | less (arrow keys, pageup,down, q to quit) |
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| 22:07.10 | drw0mbat | hey abort i typed that grep -i eth and it made me lose the debian#^: command thing |
| 22:07.16 | drw0mbat | and when i tried to do lspci again it wouldnt work |
| 22:07.29 | beardy | drw0mbat: Ctrl-C |
| 22:07.29 | drw0mbat | whats the second cmd supposed to do? |
| 22:07.34 | drw0mbat | oh |
| 22:07.38 | drw0mbat | it was caught in a loop? |
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| 22:08.06 | abrotman | drw0mbat: just lspci ... that's all i want |
| 22:08.14 | abrotman | drw0mbat: do you see a network card in there? |
| 22:08.36 | w00ter | Is there a reason to choose a normal install cd over a netinstall when you have a puter hooked up to the net? |
| 22:09.00 | abrotman | not really |
| 22:09.01 | imango | abortman: I tried now to play the file.mp3 with xmms but it does nothing not even playint the file. |
| 22:09.17 | Bac9 | what's an app to change gtk2 engines? switch2 doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 22:09.18 | abrotman | imango: did you choose the alsa plugin ? |
| 22:09.20 | drw0mbat | ok |
| 22:09.27 | drw0mbat | on the lspci |
| 22:09.37 | drw0mbat | Lots of info about the Pentium Intel and AGP everywhere but no nic |
| 22:09.38 | w00ter | Is there a difference in the installer (netinstall and normal debian cd's) |
| 22:09.39 | Phoenix92x | hmm |
| 22:09.48 | Phoenix92x | green_earz, maybe you can help me with this... |
| 22:09.51 | abrotman | imango: also .. make sure you run alsamixer and your levels are up |
| 22:10.00 | abrotman | drw0mbat: are you sure there is a NIC? |
| 22:10.04 | drw0mbat | yes |
| 22:10.05 | liable | w00ter: the installer part is the same.. |
| 22:10.05 | imango | abortman: I don't know,! how do you install the plugins anyway? |
| 22:10.05 | Phoenix92x | wait |
| 22:10.10 | drw0mbat | i can plug the cord in there and the light lights up |
| 22:10.12 | drw0mbat | theres no drivers |
| 22:10.13 | drw0mbat | its ap ci |
| 22:10.16 | drw0mbat | its not onboard |
| 22:10.17 | drw0mbat | PCI* |
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| 22:10.18 | Phoenix92x | do I HAVE to do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to get it to write changes? |
| 22:10.29 | abrotman | imango: you shouldn't have to for xmms |
| 22:10.52 | shingouz | Phoenix92x: no but drxx makes it a hell of a lot easier |
| 22:10.53 | abrotman | Phoenix92x: did you edit the file yourself ? |
| 22:10.58 | green_earz | Phoenix92x: yes for your xserver setup "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 22:11.02 | liable | Phoenix92x: you can edit by hand if you really want.. |
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| 22:11.10 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 22:11.10 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 22:11.22 | Phoenix92x | k |
| 22:11.26 | Phoenix92x | thanks, sorry for redundancy |
| 22:11.28 | abrotman | drw0mbat: can you crack the case and see if the slot is white or black ? |
| 22:11.37 | drw0mbat | yes |
| 22:11.48 | imango | abortman: I though that you asked me too |
| 22:11.53 | abrotman | drw0mbat: can you crack the case and see if the slot is white or black ?? |
| 22:11.55 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:11.56 | abrotman | imango: huh ? |
| 22:12.04 | drw0mbat | its white |
| 22:12.07 | drw0mbat | and the modem is in the black |
| 22:12.07 | abrotman | imango: xmms should just play them |
| 22:12.15 | abrotman | drw0mbat: 100% certain ? |
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| 22:12.22 | drw0mbat | let me double check |
| 22:12.51 | drw0mbat | ceratin now |
| 22:13.35 | abrotman | if lspci doesn't show it .. which it should . something is wrong |
| 22:13.37 | imango | abortman: I really trying to understand, sorry if I was a pain...!!:-[ |
| 22:13.40 | concept10 | How do you unzip files with tar? |
| 22:13.45 | drw0mbat | Well it could be showing it |
| 22:13.45 | abrotman | man tar |
| 22:13.50 | drw0mbat | it just scrolls to the bottom so fast |
| 22:13.54 | concept10 | no |
| 22:13.56 | Gokee2 | I use debian and alsa stoped working after I ran alsaconfig.. I got it working the first time running alsa_init but alsa_init seems to bo gone? Replased by alsaconfig? Anyway now alsaconfig says it works alsamixer opens but I can`t get any sound to play... Any help? |
| 22:13.56 | abrotman | drw0mbat: it woudl say Network or Ethernet probably |
| 22:13.59 | drw0mbat | is there any way to scrol lback up? |
| 22:14.01 | abrotman | concept10: man tar |
| 22:14.02 | beardy | concept10: You don't. Use unzip. |
| 22:14.03 | drw0mbat | page up maybe? |
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| 22:14.17 | shingouz | drw0mbat: lspci | less |
| 22:14.28 | abrotman | beardy: who would use pkzip on a tar ? :) |
| 22:14.34 | drw0mbat | type the | in there too? |
| 22:14.37 | liable | damn, how much harware is in that box? |
| 22:14.39 | shingouz | drw0mbat: yes |
| 22:14.48 | abrotman | shingouz: his network card does't wor k... and seems to be pci |
| 22:14.56 | abrotman | imango: do you have a /dev/dsp ? |
| 22:15.06 | shingouz | drw0mbat: what card? |
| 22:15.08 | beardy | abrotman: Very few. But he said unzip :) |
| 22:15.18 | abrotman | beardy: i assumed he didn't know what he was saying :) |
| 22:15.25 | concept10 | abrotman, Im trying to unzip a file on my sarge box, cli only |
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| 22:15.42 | drw0mbat | itr says command not found |
| 22:15.51 | liable | whats the extension? |
| 22:15.51 | abrotman | might have to | more |
| 22:15.51 | shingouz | drw0mbat: what command? |
| 22:15.58 | drw0mbat | lspci | less |
| 22:16.05 | drw0mbat | do multiple |'s? |
| 22:16.09 | abrotman | no |
| 22:16.09 | drw0mbat | like lspci |||| less? |
| 22:16.11 | abrotman | no |
| 22:16.13 | beardy | abrotman: Me too, but your assumption was better than mine this time, oh well.. :) |
| 22:16.17 | drw0mbat | oh |
| 22:16.17 | drw0mbat | ok |
| 22:16.22 | drw0mbat | lspci | more |
| 22:16.24 | shingouz | drw0mbat: lspci works so i think you are missing less. try lspci | more |
| 22:16.24 | drw0mbat | literal ;) |
| 22:16.51 | beardy | abrotman: now Iäm confused though.. |
| 22:16.52 | concept10 | I thought tar took care of all formats |
| 22:16.59 | abrotman | beardy: why? |
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| 22:17.12 | concept10 | thats why I asked |
| 22:17.12 | abrotman | he still didn't tell us the file extention |
| 22:17.16 | abrotman | bah . i can't type |
| 22:17.28 | concept10 | abrotman, I said zip |
| 22:17.33 | drw0mbat | ok |
| 22:17.34 | drw0mbat | i got it now |
| 22:17.36 | drw0mbat | it shows the nic on ther |
| 22:17.41 | shingouz | concept10: use unzip then. if you do not have it, install it |
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| 22:17.50 | concept10 | shingouz, just did |
| 22:17.51 | drw0mbat | d-link RTL8139 |
| 22:17.51 | concept10 | thanks |
| 22:17.52 | shingouz | drw0mbat: what nic is it? |
| 22:17.54 | abrotman | concept10: is it really a zip ? who zipped a tar file ? |
| 22:18.05 | drw0mbat | i should search for rtl8139 drivers? |
| 22:18.13 | shingouz | drw0mbat: sec |
| 22:18.17 | beardy | abrotman: < concept10> abrotman, Im trying to unzip a file on my sarge box, cli only <-- that confused me a bit.. |
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| 22:18.23 | drw0mbat | thanks for the help you guys |
| 22:18.24 | abrotman | beardy: yeah well :) |
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| 22:18.26 | drw0mbat | Im so new to this stuff |
| 22:18.30 | drw0mbat | my buddy showed me deb last night |
| 22:18.31 | abrotman | jharrison: you're alive! |
| 22:18.35 | jharrison | abrotman: yes |
| 22:18.35 | drw0mbat | i was about to install gentoo |
| 22:18.36 | shingouz | !tell drw0mbat about realtek |
| 22:18.41 | jharrison | abrotman: for now anyways |
| 22:18.45 | beardy | concept10: What is the files full name? And possibly, what does "file filename" say? |
| 22:18.46 | abrotman | drw0mbat: on a PII ? :) |
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| 22:19.02 | concept10 | abrotman, someone did not zip a tar file. I was tryig to use tar to unzip a .zip file. I thought it handled all formats |
| 22:19.05 | jharrison | anyone know how to make the output from a program starting up in an init script be quiet? |
| 22:19.16 | abrotman | concept10: why would you use tar to unzip a .zip ? |
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| 22:19.19 | Jacky^ | hi |
| 22:19.20 | shingouz | concept10: unzip filename |
| 22:19.32 | abrotman | jharrison: redirect to dev/null |
| 22:19.33 | jharrison | for example when executing /etc/init.d/startup start the program does not properly background |
| 22:19.40 | jharrison | abrotman: tried that but it does not listen |
| 22:19.51 | abrotman | jharrison: you did stdout and stderr ? |
| 22:20.03 | Jacky^ | anyone know how to send music via skype using a player ? |
| 22:20.05 | concept10 | abrotman, gosh ... dont make it difficult :) I thought TAR could handle all formats zip, rar, etc |
| 22:20.14 | drw0mbat | i did not understand the tell you sent me |
| 22:20.19 | drw0mbat | is my chipset a piece of crap? |
| 22:20.29 | abrotman | concept10: why would you think that ? |
| 22:20.30 | beardy | That's what I said.. a few seconds after his first statement.. |
| 22:20.32 | shingouz | drw0mbat: it works. what kernel do you have? |
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| 22:20.35 | beardy | !I win |
| 22:20.35 | jharrison | abrotman: what do you mean |
| 22:20.38 | drw0mbat | 2.4.27 |
| 22:20.41 | jharrison | abrotman: dont think I did |
| 22:20.48 | abrotman | beardy: sad isn't it :) |
| 22:20.56 | saboteur | jharrison: if it doesn't have a backgrounding option, maybe you have to do it manually; 'blah &' |
| 22:20.56 | beardy | abrotman: Yeah :) |
| 22:20.58 | concept10 | abrotman, because file-roller handles many compressed formats |
| 22:21.07 | shingouz | drw0mbat: modprobe 8139too |
| 22:21.18 | drw0mbat | thats an error i got |
| 22:21.20 | drw0mbat | it said |
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| 22:21.27 | drw0mbat | Modprobe -v 8139too |
| 22:21.30 | drw0mbat | when i installed |
| 22:21.33 | drw0mbat | something to that extent |
| 22:21.38 | jharrison | saboteur: that does not work either |
| 22:21.42 | jharrison | ill paste the script |
| 22:21.47 | shingouz | drw0mbat: not Modprobe, modprobe, linux is case sensitive |
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| 22:21.53 | drw0mbat | ok |
| 22:21.59 | concept10 | did anyone see Presidents neighbor complaining on the news about the people demonstrating? He is hilarious |
| 22:22.01 | drw0mbat | well do u have any ideas what that error was about? |
| 22:22.04 | abrotman | concept10: they aren't even remotely the same tool |
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| 22:22.15 | shingouz | drw0mbat: no because i do not know what the error is ;) |
| 22:22.16 | afaict | Hi folks! gooood night for everyone. |
| 22:22.20 | croepha | can i change the font of a psudo terminal |
| 22:22.20 | croepha | ? |
| 22:22.24 | shingouz | drw0mbat: modprobe 8139too |
| 22:22.27 | shingouz | that should work |
| 22:22.28 | jharrison | http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1463?_nevow_carryover_=1124058131.87127.0.0.10.410716090922 |
| 22:22.30 | beardy | concept10: Please read tar's manpage, or info documentation, to understand what it does, and doesn't do. |
| 22:22.48 | afaict | Im trying to install amarok for unstable and Im getting this: amarok: Depends: libtunepimp2 (>= 0.3.0) but it is not installable |
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| 22:22.59 | jharrison | im not really a bash expert or anything |
| 22:23.04 | drw0mbat | ok |
| 22:23.07 | drw0mbat | i put that modprobe in there |
| 22:23.10 | drw0mbat | and it just scrolled a line |
| 22:23.12 | abrotman | !sidfaq |
| 22:23.12 | drw0mbat | didnt do anything |
| 22:23.15 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 22:23.15 | concept10 | beardy, I got it done, I just installed and used unzip. No biggie |
| 22:23.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 22:23.17 | shingouz | drw0mbat: there? where? |
| 22:23.21 | drw0mbat | in |
| 22:23.24 | saboteur | jharrison: so you just don't want to see the output? |
| 22:23.25 | drw0mbat | debian:~# |
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| 22:23.37 | jharrison | saboteur: really I want the process backgrounded |
| 22:23.43 | jharrison | saboteur: and if I dont see output thats great too |
| 22:23.50 | abrotman | jharrison: >& |
| 22:23.58 | saboteur | foo &> /dev/null |
| 22:24.04 | shingouz | drw0mbat: lsmod | grep 8139 |
| 22:24.10 | drw0mbat | ok |
| 22:24.11 | beardy | concept10: It still is a good thing to read, especially the info doc, but I've heard the manpage is now really good too. |
| 22:24.18 | imango | abortman: I used alsaconf , and it has detected my card and configured it, after that I adjusted the sound with alsamixer. now it is working...thank you very much. |
| 22:24.19 | jharrison | abrotman: at the end of --exec $DAEMON -- $OPTIONS >& |
| 22:24.23 | jharrison | abrotman: like so |
| 22:24.26 | abrotman | imango: yay! :) |
| 22:24.36 | abrotman | jharrison: and send it somewhere ... |
| 22:24.51 | imango | abortman:;) |
| 22:24.54 | abrotman | jharrison: either a log file .. or the bit bucket |
| 22:25.01 | Phoenix92x | I did the commands dpkg told me |
| 22:25.03 | drw0mbat | 3 options come up |
| 22:25.05 | Phoenix92x | and I still can't change the resolution |
| 22:25.06 | abrotman | imango: now you can listen to all those bette midler CDs! |
| 22:25.09 | drw0mbat | 8139too mil crc32 |
| 22:25.11 | ___p808 | i need help getting x to start, i did just installed debian to a fresh box using the netinst cd and i cant get x to start, i installed x, the nvidia drivers and kde and i still get an error, im pretty sure im messing up in the kernel module department |
| 22:25.14 | concept10 | beardy, but I understand your statement about using man, but basically I was saying that I thought 'tar' handled many formats. That isnt too much of a far stretch to assume that it could do that |
| 22:25.35 | abrotman | concept10: had you read the man page .. you'd have known :) |
| 22:25.46 | shingouz | drw0mbat: excellent. they are not options, they are installed modules. now you can try "ifup eth0" and the network shoudl be up |
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| 22:25.58 | cn | how can i remove this ? ri kernel-image-2 1 Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.8- |
| 22:25.59 | drw0mbat | ok |
| 22:26.00 | jharrison | saboteur: to /dev/null works but then the script just sits there doing this Starting snort: snort |
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| 22:26.05 | drw0mbat | I dont have a network connection installed yet |
| 22:26.06 | drw0mbat | i have no router |
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| 22:26.15 | abrotman | what! |
| 22:26.16 | drw0mbat | I have just one ethernet cable |
| 22:26.16 | abrotman | no router! |
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| 22:26.24 | drw0mbat | the router is in the process |
| 22:26.24 | jharrison | wow there are many snort processes now too |
| 22:26.28 | concept10 | abrotman, beardy: You guys are cracking me up on this. |
| 22:26.30 | shingouz | drw0mbat: hmm... is this still under install or is the system already installed and running? |
| 22:26.35 | Phoenix92x | so I ran "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" and "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" but it still wont let me go above 640x480 |
| 22:26.41 | drw0mbat | Deb is installed more or less i think |
| 22:26.50 | drw0mbat | like i didnt know what to do when it started asking me about mailing systems and shit |
| 22:26.54 | beardy | concept10: No, I guess not. Tar doesn't handle any compression at all though. (I may be wrong about this) It uses the programs gzip, bzip2 or compress. |
| 22:26.54 | drw0mbat | i did the smartfetch thing |
| 22:27.02 | monolith | hot damn dovecot is FAST compared to courier, wow... |
| 22:27.14 | shingouz | drw0mbat: ok. now just edit /etc/modules to contain the 8139too |
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| 22:27.23 | abrotman | monolith: but i think it's a limited feature set |
| 22:27.28 | drw0mbat | i dont know how -_- |
| 22:27.28 | beardy | Or is gzip built into tar itself? |
| 22:27.29 | abrotman | monolith: i could be wrong though :) |
| 22:27.35 | LedaFer | holaaaaa |
| 22:27.39 | cn | what means ri ahead a pkg? |
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| 22:27.41 | drw0mbat | i dont know commands for this system or anything |
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| 22:27.44 | monolith | abrotman: it looks to be pretty full featured, i mean how much do you really need imap to do? rofl :P |
| 22:27.47 | LedaFer | alguien habla español |
| 22:27.48 | afaict | folks, how can I install amarok ? |
| 22:27.50 | abrotman | !tel drw0mbat about refcard |
| 22:27.50 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:27.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:27.52 | jharrison | any ideas? |
| 22:27.52 | shingouz | !es |
| 22:27.57 | shingouz | !any ideas |
| 22:27.57 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of sex-crazed goats. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 22:27.58 | abrotman | monolith: shared imap ? |
| 22:28.08 | concept10 | beardy, thats exacty what im talking about. Using tar to handle another format |
| 22:28.11 | drw0mbat | !tell drw0mbat about refcard |
| 22:28.12 | cn | !ri |
| 22:28.12 | dpkg | i heard ri is always root |
| 22:28.14 | monolith | abrotman: all i know is i loaded a 54,000+ message mailbox in about 15 seconds and syncd, over gigE |
| 22:28.19 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 22:28.19 | monolith | courier took hours to do that |
| 22:28.19 | dpkg | methinks refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 22:28.24 | shingouz | drw0mbat: echo 8139too >> /etc/modules |
| 22:28.24 | Phoenix92x | can anyone help me with my problem concerning X and desktop resolution? |
| 22:28.34 | abrotman | monolith: you need less mail :) |
| 22:28.36 | shingouz | drw0mbat: that should do the trick for now |
| 22:28.42 | abrotman | monolith: or it was already synced ? |
| 22:28.44 | monolith | abrotman: naaa, i archive all mail :) |
| 22:29.05 | monolith | abrotman: all these pesky laws you know, can't throw away anything |
| 22:29.09 | beardy | concept10: Read the manpage please. Search on the strings "gzip" "compress" and "bzip2" if you don't want to read it from the top and down. |
| 22:29.11 | abrotman | monolith: if you switch back to courier .. will it go just as fast ? |
| 22:29.14 | monolith | (thanks enron) |
| 22:29.16 | abrotman | monolith: sarbox ? |
| 22:29.29 | monolith | abrotman: tried that, courier still runs like dogshoo :P |
| 22:29.40 | saboteur | jharrison: sorry i was afk |
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| 22:30.02 | monolith | and yes, sarbox :) |
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| 22:30.12 | abrotman | monolith: you have my condolences :) |
| 22:30.14 | saboteur | jharrison: try starting snort with the '-D' option |
| 22:30.19 | monolith | abrotman: lol. :) |
| 22:30.20 | jharrison | saboteur: yeah I got that |
| 22:30.22 | jharrison | saboteur: :) |
| 22:30.32 | saboteur | so it's working now? |
| 22:30.34 | jharrison | saboteur: now when I do /etc/init.d/snort stop it does not stop |
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| 22:30.41 | jharrison | saboteur: well the start is working now :) |
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| 22:30.45 | Phoenix92x | I tried what dpkg said regarding the md5sum command and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and I selected resolutions up to 1600x1200 but I cant go higher than 640x480 |
| 22:30.46 | saboteur | hehe |
| 22:30.48 | Phoenix92x | can anyone please help me? |
| 22:30.54 | concept10 | beardy, gzip is different from zip, correct? |
| 22:30.54 | saboteur | why not just use the debian snort packages? |
| 22:30.54 | jharrison | saboteur: now the stop has to work |
| 22:31.03 | beardy | concept10: Yes it is. |
| 22:31.07 | jharrison | saboteur: cause im using snort 2.4.0 with prelude support |
| 22:31.19 | saboteur | ah good |
| 22:31.22 | jharrison | saboteur: debian does not have this yet |
| 22:31.25 | concept10 | beardy, it doesnt say anything about zip or if it could handle it or not |
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| 22:31.30 | concept10 | that man page sucks |
| 22:31.41 | beardy | concept10: Exactly, because it can not do that. |
| 22:31.42 | abrotman | read the info page |
| 22:31.50 | jharrison | saboteur: plus I needed new libs etc... |
| 22:31.52 | shingouz | Phoenix92x: two possibilities, you have configured your monitor incorrectly or you are using the wrong driver for the video |
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| 22:32.04 | Phoenix92x | can I talk in private chat to you shingouz? |
| 22:32.11 | Phoenix92x | its kind of hard to make it out amongst all this... |
| 22:32.16 | Phoenix92x | and Im new to linux so please be kind |
| 22:32.17 | shingouz | Phoenix92x: no, keep it in the channel |
| 22:32.23 | monolith | abrotman: Maildir style is still preferred over mbox, right? |
| 22:32.23 | liable | Phoenix92x: what chipset? is it an 855/565.. |
| 22:32.24 | Phoenix92x | allright |
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| 22:32.32 | jharrison | saboteur: however snort/samhain/prelude-lml/prelude works well and once I get the startup scripts done things will be really nice |
| 22:32.35 | Phoenix92x | liable: the motherboard chipset? |
| 22:32.38 | drw0mbat | i typed echo 8139too >> /etc/modules and it just scrolled to the next line |
| 22:32.39 | liable | yeah |
| 22:32.43 | Phoenix92x | its a machine that was givent o m3e |
| 22:32.47 | Phoenix92x | *me |
| 22:32.50 | abrotman | monolith: for sane people .. yes |
| 22:32.55 | liable | Phoenix92x: oh, old one then? |
| 22:32.57 | monolith | lol :P |
| 22:32.59 | Phoenix92x | liable: ya |
| 22:33.00 | eonbleuz | so lets say i have some junk in the "Wastebasket" in gnome that i want to purge, but it says i dont have permission, how do i give full permission to empty the wastebasket to a user in deb? |
| 22:33.03 | liable | Phoenix92x: ok |
| 22:33.11 | monolith | wonder why evolution keeps doing this "pinging" crap then looking like it's locke dup |
| 22:33.11 | Phoenix92x | shingouz: perhaps I have the monitor info incorrect |
| 22:33.19 | jharrison | saboteur: any ideas on how to stop it? |
| 22:33.22 | abrotman | monolith: trying to sync ? |
| 22:33.23 | shingouz | drw0mbat: that is the way it is supposed to be. you can look at what the /etc/modules looks like with "cat /etc/modules" |
| 22:33.31 | drw0mbat | ok |
| 22:33.42 | drw0mbat | So the network card works on the comp now? |
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| 22:33.46 | Phoenix92x | one moment Ill check some of vsync hsync info |
| 22:33.52 | monolith | abrotman: yes, i'm sure, but it seems like whenever it does pinging, it's locked up. |
| 22:33.57 | saboteur | jharrison: get the debian package and steal its start/stop script :) |
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| 22:34.12 | monolith | i see the login in the maillog, but nothing after |
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| 22:34.19 | monolith | wonder what the hell it does during a "ping" |
| 22:34.20 | shingouz | drw0mbat: it should work now |
| 22:34.25 | drw0mbat | cool |
| 22:34.34 | drw0mbat | Can u tell me how i would go about downloading KDE using my server? |
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| 22:34.44 | DoppleGanger | jharrison: you hill billy you rang |
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| 22:34.47 | drw0mbat | lp-get install ? |
| 22:34.49 | abrotman | monolith: bah .. move to webmail :) |
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| 22:35.03 | monolith | abrotman: squirrelmail sucks :) |
| 22:35.13 | abrotman | monolith: horde/imp |
| 22:35.14 | monolith | and i'm often on the go, along with my employees, without net access |
| 22:35.14 | g0vner | i've installed x-window-system and i cant get it to work , what can i do? |
| 22:35.27 | DoppleGanger | g0vner: panic |
| 22:35.34 | DoppleGanger | k next question? |
| 22:35.34 | abrotman | g0vner: look for errors in the log |
| 22:35.41 | g0vner | DoppleGanger : done that allready |
| 22:35.42 | monolith | need offline viewing, and somehow i don't think tarring, copying, and extracting the Maildir + running mutt is the answer :P |
| 22:35.58 | abrotman | monolith: it is an answer though |
| 22:36.03 | monolith | lol |
| 22:36.06 | jharrison | DoppleGanger: yeah I wondered if you knew about bash startup scripts |
| 22:36.08 | eonbleuz | how might i see what application is using my soundcard? |
| 22:36.15 | eonbleuz | xmms says sound is in use |
| 22:36.19 | abrotman | eonbleuz: lsof/fuser |
| 22:36.23 | eonbleuz | but i have nothing running but xchat and gaim |
| 22:36.23 | g0vner | abrotman: i looked for errors... cant understand whats going on thre |
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| 22:36.29 | shingouz | drw0mbat: apt-get install kde (i am not sure what the package should be) /msg dpkg search |
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| 22:36.40 | abrotman | g0vner: /var/log/XFree86.0.log .. look for EE lines |
| 22:36.41 | jharrison | saboteur: ok looking at stealing |
| 22:36.46 | drw0mbat | Damn |
| 22:36.51 | drw0mbat | Package is probally important |
| 22:36.52 | g0vner | abrotman : k thnx |
| 22:36.53 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 22:36.53 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 22:37.04 | abrotman | drw0mbat: ^^ |
| 22:37.05 | eonbleuz | lsof doesnt really help me |
| 22:37.16 | abrotman | try fuser then ? |
| 22:37.19 | monolith | hm, evolution is acting funky |
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| 22:37.40 | monolith | it has two things in the status bar, both say scanning folders |
| 22:37.43 | monolith | lol |
| 22:37.58 | jharrison | saboteur: stolen |
| 22:38.09 | abrotman | oh .. i heard evolution only handle 53000 emails .. then it eats them all |
| 22:38.28 | drw0mbat | wtf |
| 22:38.29 | beardy | abrotman: Is that an intended feature? |
| 22:38.31 | monolith | that's why i tar'd up my maildir just in case :P you lil buggar :P |
| 22:38.34 | abrotman | drw0mbat: ? |
| 22:38.36 | monolith | abrotman is kidding :P |
| 22:38.37 | drw0mbat | theres a bunch of pakages which do i need? |
| 22:38.37 | eonbleuz | hmm sound WAS working but now it says no such device when i look for /dev/dsp |
| 22:38.49 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 22:38.50 | dpkg | install kde is probably In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 22:38.52 | abrotman | drw0mbat: ^^ |
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| 22:38.54 | drw0mbat | Listing of 'kde' (15 of 172) |
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| 22:39.03 | nkuttler | _every_ gui mail app i ever used ate mails |
| 22:39.14 | abrotman | nkuttler: yeah .. and some text ones too :) |
| 22:39.15 | monolith | that's better than what pine used to do to them |
| 22:39.16 | monolith | :P |
| 22:39.18 | drw0mbat | sarge |
| 22:39.21 | drw0mbat | i should install sarge? |
| 22:39.25 | Phoenix92x | ok shingouz: I just checked the video card driver and the sync ranges, theyre both right |
| 22:39.34 | abrotman | drw0mbat: no .. apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 22:39.38 | nkuttler | abrotman: i never had mutt eat anything, but i keep backups anyways |
| 22:39.47 | abrotman | nkuttler: there are other text email readers :) |
| 22:39.53 | abrotman | !info elmo sarge |
| 22:39.55 | dpkg | elmo: (text-based mail-reader supporting SMTP and POP3), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 195 kB, Installed size: 544 kB |
| 22:39.55 | drw0mbat | i need to have internet to use that command right? |
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| 22:39.59 | abrotman | for starters |
| 22:40.04 | abrotman | drw0mbat: uhm .. yes |
| 22:40.07 | drw0mbat | hehe |
| 22:40.08 | drw0mbat | ok |
| 22:40.11 | drw0mbat | See you guys in a min ^^ |
| 22:40.20 | abrotman | drw0mbat: youc an irc from the debian box too |
| 22:40.32 | abrotman | i bet he's gone .. oh well |
| 22:40.34 | streuner | dpkg, enter |
| 22:40.34 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 22:40.48 | abrotman | streuner: does |
| 22:40.49 | abrotman | that |
| 22:40.52 | abrotman | annoy |
| 22:40.52 | abrotman | you |
| 22:40.53 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:40.54 | shingouz | Phoenix92x: check the x.log for possible errors, it shoudl tell a lot about it |
| 22:41.06 | abrotman | streuner: i'm surprised debhelper didn't kill me |
| 22:41.15 | Phoenix92x | shingouz: ok but I'll need some help figuring out what the errors mean, I'm new to this. Where can I find the x.log? |
| 22:41.16 | monolith | woot woot :P |
| 22:41.24 | streuner | abrotman: yeah, evil debhelper :-P |
| 22:41.40 | abrotman | streuner: you get the 'enter' people .. i'll get the 'u' people :) |
| 22:41.52 | shingouz | Phoenix92x: /var/log |
| 22:42.00 | Phoenix92x | thank you |
| 22:42.21 | shingouz | Phoenix92x: i must tick off for a short while, just ask on the channel and someone will help |
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| 22:42.31 | rabies | how do i make a jfs volume user writable |
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| 22:43.00 | GuyBeingLogged | Anyone know where configure applications that should start at login (in gnome)? |
| 22:43.05 | sid | couldnt find package KDE T_T |
| 22:43.09 | sid | er |
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| 22:43.17 | Phoenix92x | I don |
| 22:43.18 | abrotman | sid: you're drw0mbat ? |
| 22:43.22 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 22:43.22 | DrW0mbat | yes |
| 22:43.24 | g0vner | abrotman : its gives me 4 "EE" the one that worries me the most is the one considering TDFX |
| 22:43.26 | Phoenix92x | *I don't seem to have an x.log file |
| 22:43.31 | Phoenix92x | does anyone have an idea as to why this is? |
| 22:43.46 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: apt-setup .. choose http sources .. then after that .. apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 22:43.53 | Phoenix92x | I do have XFree86.0.log, are these the same? |
| 22:43.53 | DrW0mbat | Ok |
| 22:43.55 | abrotman | g0vner: voodoo ? |
| 22:43.58 | g0vner | yes |
| 22:43.58 | DrW0mbat | Hey how can i do IRC from deb? |
| 22:44.04 | streuner | Phoenix92x: do you have X installed? |
| 22:44.07 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 22:44.14 | DrW0mbat | hehehe ;) |
| 22:44.15 | DrW0mbat | ok |
| 22:44.15 | Phoenix92x | streuner: yes I have x installed and gnome running |
| 22:44.15 | g0vner | abrotman: voodoo3 |
| 22:44.19 | DrW0mbat | Ill do all that then that ^^ |
| 22:44.23 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: so do that before you install kde .. but after the apt-setup |
| 22:44.24 | streuner | Phoenix92x: /var/log/X*.log |
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| 22:44.29 | rabies | anyone know how to make a volume user writable in fstab? |
| 22:44.32 | Phoenix92x | streuner: my problme is getting the resolution what I want |
| 22:44.33 | rabies | it a umask thing or something? |
| 22:44.37 | abrotman | rabies: man mount |
| 22:44.38 | g0vner | abrotman : shell i copy the EE massage ? |
| 22:44.41 | Phoenix92x | streuner: is that something I should enter? |
| 22:44.47 | rabies | abrotman: thx |
| 22:44.51 | Phoenix92x | streuner: or are you using * as a wild? |
| 22:45.04 | abrotman | g0vner: i've never used a 3dfx card |
| 22:45.05 | streuner | Phoenix92x: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:45.08 | abrotman | in my life actually |
| 22:45.10 | Phoenix92x | latest sarge |
| 22:45.14 | Phoenix92x | I downloaded it last night |
| 22:45.19 | abrotman | g0vner: what is the gist of the error ? |
| 22:45.28 | streuner | Phoenix92x: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:45.38 | beardy | rabies: '/msg dpkg vfatrw', perhaps |
| 22:45.42 | Phoenix92x | streuner: done that, it doesnt do anything |
| 22:45.44 | g0vner | abrotman : it's says something about dri disabled |
| 22:45.55 | g0vner | abrotman : just a sec il copy it here |
| 22:45.56 | Phoenix92x | streuner: or do you want me to do that to check something? |
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| 22:46.17 | streuner | Phoenix92x: what videocard do you have? |
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| 22:46.34 | abrotman | sid: did you get irssi ? |
| 22:46.34 | Phoenix92x | I believe its a VESA card that came with the machine (old Dell Optiplex G110) |
| 22:46.48 | Phoenix92x | because its builtin Im not entirely sure but Im pretty sure thats it |
| 22:46.49 | sid | no |
| 22:46.51 | sid | -_- |
| 22:46.53 | sid | It said |
| 22:46.55 | sid | failed to fetch |
| 22:47.07 | abrotman | sid: do you ahve dns servers? |
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| 22:47.09 | monolith | abrotman: question, i'm new to gnome:P apt-get'd xchat, how do i get it into the lil gnome menu? |
| 22:47.10 | streuner | Phoenix92x: lspci -v | grep VGA |
| 22:47.12 | g0vner | abrotman : TDFX(0) :[dri] tdfx DRI not supported in 32 bpp mode disabling DRI |
| 22:47.14 | sid | i dont believe so |
| 22:47.25 | Phoenix92x | streuner: ok, ones econd |
| 22:47.25 | abrotman | monolith: uhm .. it should just do it ? |
| 22:47.35 | monolith | maybe i need to logout/login to x again? |
| 22:47.38 | abrotman | monolith: you have menu installed .. right ? |
| 22:47.47 | abrotman | g0vner: that's an EE line ? |
| 22:47.49 | monolith | huh? |
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| 22:47.55 | imango | gg |
| 22:47.55 | abrotman | monolith: it's a program |
| 22:47.57 | abrotman | !menu |
| 22:47.58 | dpkg | i heard menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 22:48.10 | g0vner | abrotman: yes i didnt copy that:) |
| 22:48.10 | nkuttler | sid: can you ping google.com? |
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| 22:48.23 | sid | i could try |
| 22:48.24 | rabies | grr |
| 22:48.25 | ldexter | g0vner: set your depth to 16 |
| 22:48.28 | rabies | umask doesnt work |
| 22:48.28 | sid | is the cmd simply ping google.com ? |
| 22:48.30 | monolith | abrotman: i have no idea, is it part of x-window-system? :) |
| 22:48.35 | nkuttler | sid: yes |
| 22:48.35 | abrotman | sid: yes |
| 22:48.38 | abrotman | monolith: dpkg -l menu |
| 22:48.39 | sid | cool |
| 22:48.42 | sid | i know something! |
| 22:48.50 | monolith | yep it's there |
| 22:48.56 | monolith | maybe i need to logout of X first? |
| 22:48.56 | abrotman | monolith: maybe next login ... |
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| 22:49.04 | Phoenix92x | streuner: 0000:00:01.0 VGA Compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC (Chipset Graphics Controller) (rev 3) (prog -if 00 [vga]) |
| 22:49.12 | abrotman | monolith: i kind of stopped paying attentino because i use the minicommander applet :) |
| 22:49.16 | jharrison | saboteur: still cant kill it off |
| 22:49.21 | monolith | abrotman: ohh, it got added to the debian menu in gnome |
| 22:49.26 | monolith | not the normal gnome menu |
| 22:49.27 | g0vner | abrotman: can you advice me of a way to by pass this ? |
| 22:49.27 | streuner | Phoenix92x: VESA is limited |
| 22:49.28 | abrotman | monolith: just took a moment ? |
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| 22:49.37 | Phoenix92x | streuner: what does that mean? |
| 22:49.41 | monolith | no, just, it nested under the debian submenu :) instead of the normal menus |
| 22:49.42 | abrotman | monolith: oh .. yeah .. debian menu differs from gnome menu :) |
| 22:49.45 | rob_lt | monolith, I have an entry for xchat in Applications -> Internet |
| 22:49.57 | rob_lt | without having to do anything |
| 22:49.58 | monolith | rob_lt: hm, i didn't get one. maybe i have to logout for that |
| 22:50.08 | streuner | Phoenix92x: well, get the driver from intel, maybe you have more luck then |
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| 22:50.20 | jeffopi | I'm trying to get adesklets to work on my computer, Debian Sarge AMD64 with KDE 3.3.2. I start adesklets from the console and that looks like it works, and then I execute weather.py by typing "./weather.py" and the top left corner of the screen blinks black quickly but then nothing shows up. What do I do? |
| 22:50.21 | DrW0mbat | host unknown |
| 22:50.24 | g0vner | abrotman: ?:{ |
| 22:50.24 | Phoenix92x | very possible... |
| 22:50.25 | abrotman | monolith: basically .. every GUI app(and some non gui) will get an entry in the debian menu .. but not the gnome menu unless it's really a gnome app .. or some crap like that |
| 22:50.30 | DrW0mbat | i need dns drivers? |
| 22:50.33 | monolith | yep, logged out then logged in, it worked :) |
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| 22:50.39 | Phoenix92x | how can I tell what the driver is by that? is it 828103 DC-133? |
| 22:50.42 | abrotman | g0vner: ldexter told you to reset your depth |
| 22:50.43 | Phoenix92x | or just 828103? |
| 22:50.47 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: yes |
| 22:50.53 | monolith | gAIM the preferred IM client? |
| 22:50.55 | DrW0mbat | dns-setup ? |
| 22:51.01 | abrotman | monolith: in gnome yes |
| 22:51.02 | g0vner | ldexter : how do i do that? |
| 22:51.08 | abrotman | !drxx g0vner |
| 22:51.09 | dpkg | g0vner: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:51.10 | streuner | Phoenix92x: go to intel website and search for that string |
| 22:51.13 | ldexter | edit /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 22:51.14 | beardy | monolith: If you prefer that, yes. |
| 22:51.23 | jeffopi | also, why does KDE list KDE 3.4.2 as the stable KDE distribution but this chat says not |
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| 22:51.25 | ldexter | or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:51.31 | Phoenix92x | thank you streuner: Ill do that and come back later, about to have dinner |
| 22:51.48 | ldexter | Then change "DefaultDepth" under the "Screen" section to "16" |
| 22:51.48 | g0vner | ldexter : it's a the same as xconfiguration right? |
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| 22:51.55 | g0vner | ldexter : ok ! |
| 22:52.00 | g0vner | ldexter : thansk i used 24 |
| 22:52.07 | DrW0mbat | abrot: should i use dns-setup to setup the drivers? |
| 22:52.14 | Gospel | Are there any recent security updates, critical bug fixes, etc that are needed for Debian? |
| 22:52.18 | ldexter | Yeah, DRI does not work at depth 24 on the TDFX cards |
| 22:52.25 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: do you know the IPs of your dns servers? |
| 22:52.26 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:52.29 | streuner | !intel |
| 22:52.29 | dpkg | methinks intel is a bunch of horridly evil crack whores |
| 22:52.31 | DrW0mbat | no -_- |
| 22:52.35 | DrW0mbat | im simply using a cable server |
| 22:52.37 | DrW0mbat | er |
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| 22:52.39 | ldexter | !amd |
| 22:52.39 | dpkg | well, amd is the new processor, boycott inhell, and get an amd.. better yet, sell your kidneys at ebay and get a crusoe!, or the AutoMounter Daemon which automounts a NFS filesystem |
| 22:52.39 | DrW0mbat | cable internet |
| 22:52.42 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: oh .. setup the machine for dhcp |
| 22:52.49 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: i thought shingouz did that for you |
| 22:52.49 | Gospel | !amd |
| 22:52.49 | dpkg | amd is probably the new processor, boycott inhell, and get an amd.. better yet, sell your kidneys at ebay and get a crusoe!, or the AutoMounter Daemon which automounts a NFS filesystem |
| 22:53.01 | abrotman | !cyrix |
| 22:53.02 | dpkg | hmm... cyrix is a make of cheap proccesors, for those who can't afford Intel or AMD. The current Cyrix MIIs are slower then their Intel and AMD counterparts. See also Rise.. Now aquired by via, the cyrix processor no longer exists |
| 22:53.34 | Gospel | !nofrills |
| 22:53.35 | shingouz | abrotman: the nic is up but i am not sure how the interfaces file is done |
| 22:53.42 | abrotman | shingouz: ah ok |
| 22:53.43 | DrW0mbat | Shingouz showed me how to check if my nic was working and was connected to the system |
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| 22:53.50 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: ok ... |
| 22:53.50 | g0vner | ldexter : it asks me about vsync and it gives me ranges , what should i use/ |
| 22:54.07 | eonbleuz | my ac97 sound was working and all of a sudden stopped, and now alsa says theres no soundcard installed |
| 22:54.08 | ldexter | the ranges of your monitor |
| 22:54.13 | eonbleuz | is there a quick way to reinstall the module |
| 22:54.19 | eonbleuz | without recompiling my kernel |
| 22:54.22 | g0vner | ldexter: dunno hem:P |
| 22:54.23 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: we're gonna edit some files :) |
| 22:54.26 | ldexter | check its documentation or search google for it |
| 22:54.32 | DrW0mbat | sounds easy! |
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| 22:54.38 | g0vner | ldexter : K:P |
| 22:54.39 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: ifconfig -a shows your nic right .. and it's eth0 ? |
| 22:54.44 | DrW0mbat | sec |
| 22:54.51 | spowers | how do i turn fbcon on with a debian kernel? |
| 22:54.51 | monolith | brb |
| 22:55.02 | spowers | i'm using 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 22:55.04 | ldexter | g0vner: al though not extremely necessary, you may try selecting a very wide range and it should fall back to the highest supported |
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| 22:55.23 | streuner | solemnwarning: turn that off please |
| 22:55.26 | green_earz | eonbleuz: modconf |
| 22:55.34 | cn | how can i remove definitely a .deb named pi and not ii in dpkg -l ? |
| 22:55.47 | DrW0mbat | it is eth o |
| 22:55.51 | jeffopi | also, why does KDE list KDE 3.4.2 as the stable KDE distribution but this chat says not |
| 22:55.53 | ldexter | cn: what? |
| 22:55.59 | g0vner | ldexter : is it possible that it is written on the sticker on the back of my monitor? |
| 22:56.03 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: ok .. `vi /etc/network/interfaces` |
| 22:56.04 | liable | dpkg --purge pi |
| 22:56.06 | ldexter | doubtful |
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| 22:56.28 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: go to the bottom of the file |
| 22:56.41 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: now . pay attention .. VERY closely |
| 22:56.44 | g0vner | ldexter : <ldexter> doubtful <-- this answer was applied to me? |
| 22:56.47 | DrW0mbat | type that w/ the `'s? |
| 22:56.47 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: hit 'i' |
| 22:56.50 | monolith | yay, in xchat now on my debian system :) |
| 22:56.52 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: no |
| 22:56.53 | rusz | guys, quick none related issue really, but i'm getting a warning reading on my voltages, the 3.3v reading from my mobo monitoring software |
| 22:56.58 | cn | when i do dpkg -l i have a package so: pi name ver blabla |
| 22:57.03 | rusz | is this my bus voltage to the processor? |
| 22:57.04 | abrotman | rusz: run |
| 22:57.04 | cn | how can i remove it? |
| 22:57.13 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: are you in the file ? |
| 22:57.36 | DrW0mbat | yes |
| 22:57.54 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: ok .. go to the bottom of the file |
| 22:58.05 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: hit the key 'o' |
| 22:58.08 | abrotman | not zero .. o |
| 22:58.16 | cn | pi kernel-image-2 1 |
| 22:58.18 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: then type this in |
| 22:58.20 | rusz | the reaidng spikes at 3.6 and drops to 3.2 and so on |
| 22:58.22 | cn | how i remove it? |
| 22:58.23 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: auto eth0 |
| 22:58.26 | rusz | what could be causing this? |
| 22:58.30 | DrW0mbat | did new line created |
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| 22:58.31 | DrW0mbat | ok |
| 22:58.36 | abrotman | drac: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:58.38 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:58.40 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: |
| 22:58.44 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: you need both lines |
| 22:58.48 | beardy | abrotman: Do you hate nano? |
| 22:58.50 | ldexter | g0vner: yes |
| 22:58.50 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: and they are seperate lines |
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| 22:59.03 | abrotman | beardy: no .. but i haven't used it enough to guide someone through using it |
| 22:59.04 | DrW0mbat | on seperate lines? |
| 22:59.07 | DrW0mbat | ok |
| 22:59.07 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: yes |
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| 22:59.12 | DrW0mbat | hehe |
| 22:59.12 | beardy | abrotman: Ok |
| 22:59.14 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: all typed in? |
| 22:59.38 | spowers | is it possible to turn on fbcon after the system has booted, if i have it all as modules (from a debian kernel)? |
| 22:59.49 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: ? |
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| 23:00.12 | abrotman | beardy: i've been using vi for .. about 10 years :) |
| 23:00.22 | DrW0mbat | yes but i thinmk i goofed is there a way 2 strt over? |
| 23:00.23 | abrotman | or some variation of it |
| 23:00.28 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: goofed how ? |
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| 23:00.58 | g0vner | IS THIS the vsync -> H.Frequency 30-70 KHz |
| 23:01.08 | abrotman | H ... V ... |
| 23:01.23 | g0vner | ?! |
| 23:01.29 | abrotman | g0vner: for waht ? |
| 23:01.33 | abrotman | are you chooosing your monitor ? |
| 23:01.33 | shingouz | g0vner: H.Freq = horizontal |
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| 23:01.47 | abrotman | g0vner: don't choose advanced .. it makes your life hell :) |
| 23:02.00 | g0vner | abrotman : i want to make x-wi.. work |
| 23:02.01 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: goofed how ? |
| 23:02.04 | DrW0mbat | like i misspelled then hit bckspce delete keyed the errer then hit enter then hit o again for a new line then typd the rest hit enter |
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| 23:02.13 | g0vner | abrotman: i didnt i choosed meduim |
| 23:02.14 | ethics | morning all, im trying to figure out exim4 -heavy to run with spamassasin and clamav, anyone got any howtos handy at all? |
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| 23:02.23 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: hit escape a few times .... |
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| 23:02.47 | DrW0mbat | i hit three times |
| 23:02.47 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: done ? |
| 23:03.00 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: now type :q! and it should put you back at the prompt |
| 23:03.14 | DrW0mbat | im using gay onscreen kb btw its slow |
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| 23:03.25 | abrotman | a what ? |
| 23:03.39 | ethics | xebian id guess.... |
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| 23:03.53 | DrW0mbat | its a virtual kb from windows |
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| 23:04.00 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 23:04.06 | DrW0mbat | click each letter |
| 23:04.07 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: speak damn you! |
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| 23:04.12 | abrotman | !date FieldySnuts |
| 23:04.27 | g0vner | abrotman : is it this one : Vertical: 50-160 Hz ? |
| 23:04.35 | abrotman | g0vner: much better :) |
| 23:04.35 | DrW0mbat | ok ill get bck 2 the file real quick |
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| 23:04.49 | g0vner | :) |
| 23:04.58 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: and be careful this time when you edit it :) |
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| 23:05.22 | Bac9 | what's an app to change gtk2 engines? switch2 doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 23:05.35 | abrotman | Bac9: what's your wm ? |
| 23:05.40 | spowers | Bac9: switch2 is a little bit broken, i have a patch to fix it though |
| 23:05.43 | spowers | well |
| 23:05.43 | Bac9 | abrotman: pwm |
| 23:05.44 | spowers | not a patch |
| 23:05.53 | spowers | i do have a fixed deb somewhere if you want |
| 23:05.54 | spowers | i can find it |
| 23:05.59 | abrotman | don't you have to change the theme for pwm also ? |
| 23:06.02 | spowers | it's i386 |
| 23:06.19 | g0vner | abrotman : ENTER an identifier for your monitor defintion <-- what does he want? |
| 23:06.26 | Bac9 | spowers: yeah switch2 stoped working (just noitced) and switch(1) doesn't want to work either, probably not related but anoying |
| 23:06.30 | abrotman | g0vner: poop |
| 23:06.38 | spowers | well, let me see if i can find my debs for you |
| 23:06.39 | abrotman | or p00p |
| 23:06.40 | spowers | brb |
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| 23:06.49 | DrW0mbat | how can i be sure im at the bottom of the file? |
| 23:06.53 | g0vner | abrotman what's that ? |
| 23:06.53 | DrW0mbat | Theres |
| 23:06.55 | beardy | g0vner: Just a name for the monitor, you can call it whatever you want. |
| 23:06.56 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: it will stop going down |
| 23:06.58 | DrW0mbat | some text |
| 23:07.01 | DrW0mbat | and alot of ~~~~~ |
| 23:07.04 | DrW0mbat | all the way down |
| 23:07.08 | Bac9 | spowers: do you know when the fixed switch2 will get into etch? I really don't feel like going through gnome-control-center(or what ever it's called), every time I do it totally screws around with my configs |
| 23:07.09 | DrW0mbat | when i try and move around with the arrow keys |
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| 23:07.12 | abrotman | g0vner: a stupid word .. it's your 'common name' for your monitor .. you can leave it blank |
| 23:07.14 | g0vner | WTF that's haressement :@?! |
| 23:07.17 | DrW0mbat | it only lets me down to the last period of the sentence. |
| 23:07.21 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: that's the bottom ... |
| 23:07.25 | DrW0mbat | ok |
| 23:07.31 | spowers | spowers: i really don't know, this is just a fix i did for myself |
| 23:07.31 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: now .hit 'o' |
| 23:07.31 | g0vner | i'll name it shiza.. |
| 23:07.32 | DrW0mbat | so go to the bottom and hit o |
| 23:07.35 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: then type |
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| 23:07.38 | spowers | er |
| 23:07.39 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: auto eth0 |
| 23:07.40 | beardy | g0vner: The model of the monitor is a good choice, or "Monitor1", whatever.. |
| 23:07.42 | spowers | Bac9: |
| 23:07.46 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 23:07.56 | Bac9 | abrotman: how is pwm theme related to gtk theme? |
| 23:08.02 | Bac9 | spowers: ? |
| 23:08.04 | abrotman | window manager theme ? |
| 23:08.15 | abrotman | Bac9: i wasn't sure exactly what you were trying to change .. that's all |
| 23:08.20 | Bac9 | abrotman: yes? and those are related how? |
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| 23:08.27 | abrotman | Bac9: see what i just said |
| 23:08.29 | Bac9 | abrotman: oh, gtk2 theme |
| 23:08.35 | g0vner | un reseting my box .. hopefully it will work this time :{ |
| 23:08.40 | DrW0mbat | ok did |
| 23:08.42 | abrotman | Bac9: some people get gtk theme and WM theme confused .. that's all :) |
| 23:08.48 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: how .. this escape a few times |
| 23:08.54 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: then type :wq |
| 23:08.56 | beardy | g0vner: Stop, are you going to reboot? |
| 23:09.02 | Bac9 | abrotman: :-) nee, for me it's strictly gtk2 theme (used switch2 before) |
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| 23:09.13 | g0vner | beardy: :> |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | mmm .. pizza |
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| 23:09.20 | Bac9 | abrotman: also noticed switch1 stoped working too (for gtk1 themes) :-( |
| 23:09.22 | g0vner | beardy: too late too late.. |
| 23:09.31 | DrW0mbat | 4 lines 154 chars |
| 23:09.36 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: that's fine |
| 23:09.38 | beardy | g0vner: You just need to restart X. |
| 23:09.39 | abrotman | i think |
| 23:09.40 | DrW0mbat | k |
| 23:09.46 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: now .. in the console |
| 23:09.54 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:09.57 | g0vner | it's mkay , besides x didnt work for me so far.. |
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| 23:10.14 | beardy | g0vner: Wasn't that what you were trying to fix? |
| 23:10.14 | spowers | Bac9: i do not have my fix right here, and i'm busy with other stuff |
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| 23:10.24 | DrW0mbat | its runnin |
| 23:10.26 | spowers | if i get time today i will submit a patch to the BTS. |
| 23:10.26 | abrotman | spowers: why you lazy .... :) |
| 23:10.29 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: and ? |
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| 23:10.34 | Bac9 | spowers: when you do could you posibly make an nmu for it or somesuch? |
| 23:10.36 | hennewou | anyone has the same problem?: I can't configure window manager (the thing that draws the frames) in gnome. |
| 23:10.37 | DrW0mbat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.38 | spowers | (which i should have done in the first place!) |
| 23:10.41 | lobomufas | hi |
| 23:10.51 | spowers | if the bug doesn't exist already for gtk-theme-switch, i will add a new bug |
| 23:10.53 | abrotman | Bac9: how about you file a bug now .. then he can submit the patch later :) |
| 23:10.54 | DrW0mbat | no cord plugged in |
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| 23:11.00 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: i realize that .. |
| 23:11.00 | g0vner | beardy : yes but dunno i read some where that after you change the config you should reset it .. |
| 23:11.00 | spowers | abrotman: agreed. |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: but no other errors ? |
| 23:11.05 | Bac9 | spowers: it'd be nice to have switch2 working again, nice small app that does so much |
| 23:11.16 | igob | hello all |
| 23:11.20 | spowers | it was a very easy fix, i am not very good at C but i was able to fix it myself. |
| 23:11.30 | Bac9 | abrotman: spowers said he already has a patch, so what's the point of a bug? |
| 23:11.31 | abrotman | Bac9: file the bug .. have spowers submit the patch later .. or maybe the maint already has a patch ? |
| 23:11.40 | abrotman | Bac9: oh i don't know .. to fix it for others maybe? |
| 23:11.47 | spowers | well |
| 23:11.50 | spowers | i may have lost the patch |
| 23:11.56 | hennewou | spowers: looks like there is a new version (didn't know the package name for it) |
| 23:11.59 | Bac9 | abrotman: spowers did say he was going to put it in bts |
| 23:12.02 | hennewou | (using testing) |
| 23:12.05 | igob | I am having some trouble with sid linuxebda is big, kernel setup stack overlaps second stage ... |
| 23:12.08 | spowers | hmm |
| 23:12.08 | DrW0mbat | not errs but alot of testing on ports |
| 23:12.11 | DrW0mbat | and intervals |
| 23:12.11 | DrW0mbat | said |
| 23:12.15 | abrotman | Bac9: i'm just saying thyat you're currently experiencing the bug ... |
| 23:12.18 | DrW0mbat | no dhcp offers recieved |
| 23:12.18 | spowers | well i hope the version now in testing does not have this strange bug |
| 23:12.18 | beardy | g0vner: reset _the X server_ yes :) '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' (xdm, kdm, gdm, or other) Or, logout and restart, if you are using startx. |
| 23:12.26 | DrW0mbat | no working leases in persisntent databases |
| 23:12.36 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: ok .. you're going to type that again .. but after you plug in your network cable .. ok ? |
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| 23:12.43 | DrW0mbat | Ok |
| 23:12.48 | DrW0mbat | So presuming all works ok |
| 23:12.50 | Bac9 | abrotman: all I really want to know is what other app can I use to change themes? |
| 23:12.53 | DrW0mbat | i can type those cmds you gave me earlier? |
| 23:12.53 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: seems ok |
| 23:12.59 | DrW0mbat | to get irc and kde/ |
| 23:13.01 | abrotman | Bac9: none that i'm aware of ... |
| 23:13.06 | DrW0mbat | Or first setup the apt |
| 23:13.13 | DrW0mbat | then irc then kde? |
| 23:13.15 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: yep .. after you get the the IP ... |
| 23:13.18 | DrW0mbat | ok |
| 23:13.24 | igob | i botted off a rescue disk (woody) and tried to do a /sbin/lilo and i get a message "no entry for device mapper" |
| 23:13.24 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: type `apt-setup` .. pick a new source .. |
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| 23:13.34 | g0vner | beardy : that's to advanced for me :{ |
| 23:13.36 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: then type apt-get install irssi-text ... then come back here |
| 23:13.38 | g0vner | too* |
| 23:13.41 | igob | how do i get it working ? |
| 23:13.44 | Bac9 | abrotman: fyi gnome-controll-center can change themes, but it screws around with so much other stuff that I always have to restore my gtk setting from backup after it |
| 23:13.49 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: then type apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 23:13.53 | igob | I can't boot into debian now ... |
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| 23:14.14 | abrotman | Bac9: see what happens when you don't change your theme in 4 years :) |
| 23:14.27 | abrotman | tohugh ... i miss my blue mouse |
| 23:14.30 | Bac9 | abrotman: so I'd like to avoid using it, same goes for kde-control-center (or what ever it's called), qt-confing (or what ever it's called) is much saner |
| 23:14.40 | beardy | g0vner: Not at all. :) Do you use xdm, kdm, or gdm? |
| 23:14.51 | Bac9 | abrotman: I like my theme (well for gtk1 at least, my gtk2 theme is too bright) |
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| 23:14.54 | g0vner | ldexter : even tho i did what you suggested it still gives me that particular error.. any suggestions? |
| 23:15.00 | daedalus_ | igob: you're running sbin/lilo off the install disk? |
| 23:15.01 | abrotman | Bac9: no . i just miss the blue mouse theme i had |
| 23:15.03 | mfrisch | Bac9 you want to change the theme of wm? |
| 23:15.07 | abrotman | Bac9: one of the X updates killed it off |
| 23:15.13 | Bac9 | mfrisch: gtk2 |
| 23:15.17 | daedalus_ | igob: what lilo.conf file are you using? |
| 23:15.24 | Bac9 | abrotman: don't recall a theme like that |
| 23:15.28 | g0vner | beardy : so far i cant make x-windows work. so i havn't installed anything else |
| 23:15.34 | abrotman | Bac9: no . it's Xfree mouse themes .. |
| 23:15.40 | g0vner | beardy : but i intend to install xfce4.. |
| 23:15.42 | Bac9 | abrotman: I use Xen-SentiEnce for gtk1 |
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| 23:15.53 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:15.57 | daedalus_ | igob: and the devices are all backwards on the installer disc... have a look in /dev and you'll see what I mean |
| 23:16.10 | Bac9 | abrotman: and Xfce-b5 for gtk2, although I like Xen-SentiEnce much more |
| 23:16.16 | igob | daedalus_ i just upgraded from one image of linux-kernel-2.6.12 to the next ... (or sid did ) |
| 23:16.24 | beardy | g0vner: Look in the directory /etc/init.d do you have a file there called xdm? |
| 23:16.27 | abrotman | Bac9: so look for a new one ? |
| 23:16.33 | Bac9 | abrotman: "mouse themes"? that can be changed? I didn't know that |
| 23:16.37 | beardy | g0vner: or "kdm" or "gdm" |
| 23:16.46 | g0vner | beardy: sec checking. |
| 23:16.53 | mfrisch | Bac9 sysrescue cd works good for gentoo. |
| 23:16.54 | Bac9 | abrotman: all the "new" themes are too flashy and too bulky |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | Bac9: yep .. let me find them |
| 23:17.10 | ulf__ | hi, i have problems to find the boot-floppies package on my system |
| 23:17.15 | Bac9 | mfrisch: "sysrescue cd"? what do I need that for? |
| 23:17.24 | igob | daedalus_ no i used a woody disk and booted into linux .... but woody only sports a 2.2 kernel ... |
| 23:17.24 | abrotman | Bac9: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=36 |
| 23:17.26 | Bac9 | abrotman: how do you even change a mouse theme? |
| 23:17.37 | abrotman | Bac9: that's why i haven't gotten my blue mouse back .. i can't remember :) |
| 23:17.41 | igob | daedalus_ a rescue boot ... |
| 23:17.42 | Bac9 | abrotman: ok for kde... well maybe, I don't use kde, too bulky |
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| 23:17.47 | mfrisch | Bac9 to run lilo, works for me and is small |
| 23:17.48 | abrotman | Bac9: no .. |
| 23:17.50 | abrotman | Bac9: i use gnome |
| 23:17.57 | abrotman | Bac9: it's an X11 mouse theme .. look at the url |
| 23:18.02 | Bac9 | mfrisch: just use a gfrub dikette |
| 23:18.02 | g0vner | beardy : i do have there xdm |
| 23:18.11 | igob | does the present sarge boot cd have a rescue boot ? |
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| 23:18.24 | Bac9 | abrotman: I see kde-look, so I figured it was kde-centric |
| 23:18.25 | DrW0mbat | device not found T_T |
| 23:18.27 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: fixed ? |
| 23:18.33 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: did you reboot ? |
| 23:18.33 | igob | I can't see the option under F3 where it used to be in woody |
| 23:18.40 | DrW0mbat | Yes |
| 23:18.42 | DrW0mbat | i goofed again |
| 23:18.43 | abrotman | Bac9: yeah .. i don't blame oyu |
| 23:18.48 | abrotman | shingouz: what was the driver ? |
| 23:18.50 | DrW0mbat | Apparently i hit some shit on the kb |
| 23:18.53 | Bac9 | abrotman: I just like gtk (for the most part), so I prefer gtk apps (if they don't have long scrollbars) |
| 23:18.54 | beardy | g0vner: Next time when you are done editing your X configuration, run the command '/etc/init.d/xdm restart' to restart X, instead of rebooting the machine. |
| 23:18.58 | DrW0mbat | then i hit apt-setup instead of redooing the network shit |
| 23:19.08 | DrW0mbat | and that didnt even work so i just ctrl+alt+del |
| 23:19.22 | DrW0mbat | two steps forwards one step back -_- |
| 23:19.24 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: do you remember what driver it was ? |
| 23:19.24 | g0vner | beardy: ok:) |
| 23:19.30 | g0vner | beardy: tnx . |
| 23:19.31 | DrW0mbat | Yeah |
| 23:19.33 | DrW0mbat | its the Dlink one |
| 23:19.34 | Bac9 | abrotman: gtk hates my mouse :-( |
| 23:19.35 | DrW0mbat | the pos |
| 23:19.38 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: pos ? |
| 23:19.45 | DrW0mbat | rtl8139 |
| 23:19.45 | abrotman | no .. the module that shingouz tld you to load |
| 23:19.48 | beardy | g0vner: No problem :) |
| 23:19.49 | DrW0mbat | piece of shit |
| 23:19.51 | DrW0mbat | yeah |
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| 23:19.58 | DrW0mbat | pos = pece of shit |
| 23:20.03 | DrW0mbat | I loaded the |
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| 23:20.09 | DrW0mbat | 1839too or something |
| 23:20.11 | DrW0mbat | l839too |
| 23:20.12 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: modprobe 8139too |
| 23:20.15 | eonbleuz | whats the package name for QT using apt-get? |
| 23:20.18 | eonbleuz | i cant seem to get it |
| 23:20.20 | DrW0mbat | yeah we had to do something different |
| 23:20.22 | DrW0mbat | I gotta start all over? |
| 23:20.23 | DrW0mbat | -_- |
| 23:20.25 | abrotman | eonbleuz: for compiling ? |
| 23:20.27 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: not quite |
| 23:20.33 | DrW0mbat | ok ill do modprobe |
| 23:20.38 | eonbleuz | says i need QT to run make xconfig |
| 23:20.39 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: good plan |
| 23:20.41 | igob | eonbleuztry apt-cache |
| 23:20.42 | eonbleuz | so i guess i need the lib |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | eonbleuz: libqt-dev |
| 23:20.47 | igob | eonbleuztry apt-cache search qt |
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| 23:21.16 | avrfreak | to control tha rs232 , i should be like root only? |
| 23:21.18 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend a genealogy app for the "average joe" that has a win32 (or java) port? (asking again, hoping someone new showed up and can recomend something) |
| 23:21.24 | eonbleuz | abrotman, thanks, that got it |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | Bac9: gramps |
| 23:21.34 | eonbleuz | im still trying to get used to apt |
| 23:21.35 | abrotman | Bac9: oh wait .. we did this once today didn't we ? :) |
| 23:21.36 | igob | avrfreak no ;) |
| 23:21.45 | Bac9 | abrotman: you already recomended that and I told you it doesn't have win32 port |
| 23:21.46 | DrW0mbat | ok |
| 23:21.51 | DrW0mbat | it just gave me alot of info about my ehternet |
| 23:21.53 | abrotman | Bac9: yeah .. now i remember |
| 23:21.55 | igob | avrfreak are you crazy about avr ? |
| 23:22.03 | Bac9 | abrotman: yeah just for you I added that part in brackets |
| 23:22.12 | beardy | avrfreak: No, but perhaps your user has to be part of the group that owns it. |
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| 23:22.21 | avrfreak | igob,yes |
| 23:22.29 | abrotman | DrW0mbat: that's fine .. how take the cable .. plug it in there /etc/init.d/networking restart ... apt-setup ... apt-get install irssi-text |
| 23:22.37 | Bac9 | abrotman: but you're right gramps looks nice, but it's as usefull as evolution as far as win32 goes |
| 23:22.41 | avrfreak | ok lets try |
| 23:22.41 | DrW0mbat | ok |
| 23:22.45 | DrW0mbat | should work this time -_- |
| 23:22.47 | abrotman | Bac9: evolution runs on win32 :) |
| 23:22.52 | abrotman | Bac9: kind of ... |
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| 23:23.09 | abrotman | hrm |
| 23:23.12 | Bac9 | abrotman: since when? officially they haven't ported it yet |
| 23:23.14 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
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| 23:23.38 | outlaw84 | I am trying to get my Philips/Logitech camera working with pwc but for some reason I don't seam to get any data from the camera device not even when I run "cat /dev/video0" what could be worng? |
| 23:23.38 | abrotman | Bac9: one of the gnome guys got it running ... |
| 23:23.56 | abrotman | ok .. if my power goes out .. someone help DrW0mbat til i return :) |
| 23:23.57 | Bac9 | abrotman: oh? they finished the port? where are the executables? |
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| 23:24.07 | abrotman | Bac9: not finished.. running enough to debug :) |
| 23:24.35 | Bac9 | abrotman: I've been waiting for evo to be ported so I can start moving people off OE and OL, and no tb has a horible ui |
| 23:24.38 | abrotman | Bac9: http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/evolution-hackers/2005-June/005859.html |
| 23:24.40 | beardy | abrotman: lightning storm or something? |
| 23:24.46 | abrotman | Bac9: why not thunderbird |
| 23:24.49 | abrotman | beardy: yes .. bad too :) |
| 23:25.01 | Bac9 | abrotman: tb gui sucks |
| 23:25.13 | Bac9 | abrotman: evo is much more intuative (for me at least) |
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| 23:25.30 | abrotman | http://image.weather.com/web/radar/us_har_closeradar_medium_usen.jpg .. see the big red dot NE of phillly .. that's me :) |
| 23:25.42 | abrotman | Bac9: i haven't used tb that much |
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| 23:25.48 | sid | still cannot find device |
| 23:25.49 | Bac9 | abrotman: what do you use? |
| 23:25.49 | abrotman | sid: still no ? |
| 23:25.59 | sid | the old thing just dont wanna work |
| 23:26.04 | abrotman | Bac9: at home .. for local evo .. at work .. webmail mostly |
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| 23:26.21 | Bac9 | abrotman: evo runs too slow on my box (the only downside) |
| 23:26.22 | abrotman | sid: what can't find device ? |
| 23:26.28 | sid | the networking restart |
| 23:26.37 | sid | bind socket to interface: no such device |
| 23:26.42 | Bac9 | abrotman: but sylpheed got v2.0.0 today in etch (I'm happy utf8 finally) |
| 23:26.45 | sid | error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 23:26.52 | abrotman | Bac9: http://tml-blog.blogspot.com/2005/06/evolution-limps-along-on-windows-and.html |
| 23:26.56 | sid | failed to bring up eth0 |
| 23:27.02 | abrotman | sid: sounds like the module didn't take ... |
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| 23:27.10 | sid | the file we edited? |
| 23:27.16 | abrotman | no .. that should be fine |
| 23:27.21 | Bac9 | abrotman: thanx for the links |
| 23:27.22 | sid | ok |
| 23:27.46 | dabaR | hi, here goes. I have had IP connection sharing working before, I believe I followed just what dpkg said, ipmasw, and dnsmasq installed, then change ip_forward=yes in /etc/network/options. Now it is not working. I have restarted(dpkg-reconfigure) both dnsmasq and ipmasq, checked that ip_forward=yes, and there is no IP being gotten on the other computer. I have also checked that the other computer can connect to the Internet instead of t |
| 23:28.12 | abrotman | Bac9: this is what happens when you do client work at a company with draconian internet policies .. you read lots of stuff that you can get to :) |
| 23:28.25 | shingouz | abrotman: sorry i didnt hear you earlier, i was performing a "make tea" |
| 23:28.27 | abrotman | sid: ifconfig -a .. do you see eth0 ? |
| 23:28.30 | JarJarBinks | hi all. can anybocy tell me howto change the name of the /lib/modules/2.6.8 directory when using make-kpkg ... for example 2.6.8_ipw2200 |
| 23:28.38 | abrotman | shingouz: is the compile finished ? |
| 23:28.43 | valentinos | can someone please tell me again where i can find info on how to compile kernel under debian |
| 23:28.44 | shingouz | installing |
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| 23:28.53 | Bac9 | abrotman: please elaborate, so you can or can't use oss? |
| 23:28.55 | sid | sec |
| 23:28.59 | chealer | !tell valentinos about kp |
| 23:28.59 | abrotman | !tell valentinos about kp |
| 23:29.01 | gravity | valentinos: Install kernel-package and read the README in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 23:29.06 | abrotman | Bac9: at the client .. no .. in my office yes |
| 23:29.08 | JarJarBinks | valentinos: http://www.mip.sdu.dk/~stylie/php/menu/linux_debian_kernel.php |
| 23:29.26 | Bac9 | abrotman: vnc or Xserver? |
| 23:29.30 | abrotman | Bac9: the client is a Fortune 500 company .. i'm not the admin there .. i can't even browse ebworld.com :) |
| 23:29.40 | abrotman | Bac9: hahaha! ... i wish |
| 23:29.40 | Bac9 | abrotman: poor you |
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| 23:29.48 | Bac9 | abrotman: what webmail client? |
| 23:29.50 | abrotman | Bac9: http proxy for everything .. |
| 23:29.53 | valentinos | thanks |
| 23:29.54 | abrotman | Bac9: i prefer horde/imp |
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| 23:30.11 | Bac9 | abrotman: yeah the suite is nice, but a bit big for small operations |
| 23:30.15 | sid | ok last time there was eth0 & lo now only eth0 |
| 23:30.18 | sid | er |
| 23:30.23 | sid | lo** |
| 23:30.28 | abrotman | Bac9: i have a .. erm .. demanding boss when it comes to email :) |
| 23:30.31 | sid | only lo |
| 23:30.44 | abrotman | sid: modprobe 8139too |
| 23:31.11 | dabaR | hm... |
| 23:31.25 | abrotman | Bac9: won't upgrade the mail client for anything .. still using netscape 6.2 because i can't get them off the crap |
| 23:31.26 | Bac9 | abrotman: well if he likes an overkill oss webmail suite sure let him have it |
| 23:31.29 | sid | no such device |
| 23:31.49 | abrotman | shingouz: what was the driver ? |
| 23:31.51 | Bac9 | abrotman: give them ff, isn't ns6.2 based of ff or was that ns7? |
| 23:31.58 | abrotman | Bac9: thunderbird is |
| 23:32.02 | shingouz | abrotman: 8139too i think |
| 23:32.06 | Bac9 | abrotman: tb is what? |
| 23:32.09 | abrotman | shingouz: not seeming to work |
| 23:32.15 | abrotman | Bac9: thunderbird .. FF is just a browser |
| 23:32.18 | shingouz | sid: uname -a |
| 23:32.23 | dabaR | Did you guys get a chance to read my statements above? |
| 23:32.40 | Bac9 | abrotman: oh they're using ns6.2 as e-mail client? |
| 23:32.51 | abrotman | Bac9: yep :) |
| 23:33.09 | Bac9 | abrotman: then your best bet is to move them to evo, don't bother with tb |
| 23:33.14 | sid | linux deb 2.4.27-2-386 #1 |
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| 23:33.17 | abrotman | Bac9: they aren't on linux |
| 23:33.24 | sid | may 16 |
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| 23:33.26 | Bac9 | abrotman: evo is almost ported to win32 |
| 23:33.29 | abrotman | Bac9: they are attached to windows ... and not by choice |
| 23:33.36 | Bac9 | abrotman: maybe by end/start of year |
| 23:33.39 | abrotman | Bac9: possibly .. but i'd rather not lose .. 10 years of email :) |
| 23:33.51 | abrotman | or however many they have |
| 23:33.53 | Bac9 | abrotman: why do you assume evo will loose e-mail? |
| 23:33.58 | shingouz | sid: lspci and look for the nic |
| 23:34.04 | abrotman | Bac9: let's just say i'd rather not risk it :) |
| 23:34.11 | sid | the 839too never was working i just didnt notice |
| 23:34.14 | Bac9 | abrotman: then setup an imap server |
| 23:34.22 | litage | how can i enable numlock when linux boots? |
| 23:34.31 | lildude | best freind here again i wont say who |
| 23:34.33 | abrotman | Bac9: imap/ldap is next .. they finally approved the death of that MS CRM crap |
| 23:34.35 | Bac9 | abrotman: will be really easy to migrate to any e-mail app and evo will not be doing the storage |
| 23:34.39 | lildude | but he knows that |
| 23:34.51 | shingouz | sid: it is 8139too |
| 23:34.58 | Bac9 | abrotman: imap is real nice as far as e-mail, the user can use any client they wish |
| 23:35.14 | abrotman | Bac9: i suggested imap/ldap .. a long time ago .. but they told me i wasn't the boss and i would do what they say :) .. so i installed cxrap .. and it ate itself |
| 23:35.20 | Bac9 | abrotman: as far as ldap, that'll be a bit more involved config and porting |
| 23:35.30 | shingouz | sid: do the lspci first, lets see what nic you have there |
| 23:35.31 | abrotman | Bac9: i already have one running .. but it's an internal one |
| 23:35.53 | abrotman | mother of god this is bad thunder |
| 23:35.56 | Bac9 | abrotman: I've only set up pam/ldap, never gotten around to extending it any further |
| 23:36.09 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:36.31 | abrotman | shingouz: as an fyi .. his interfaces file should be all set up |
| 23:36.43 | abrotman | shingouz: and i think he knows the commands to install irssi and kde etc |
| 23:36.44 | shingouz | abrotman: k, good to know |
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| 23:36.59 | abrotman | shingouz: i just thought that his card was working :) |
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| 23:37.09 | sid | its not there this time |
| 23:37.16 | jeffopi | Hi, I would like to upgrade to Python 2.4. I'm using Sarge AMD64. How do I do this |
| 23:37.16 | sid | fuk |
| 23:37.26 | shingouz | sid: really? that is strange then |
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| 23:38.05 | shingouz | sid: can't you see any nic there in the output of lspci? |
| 23:38.08 | dabaR | Did you get a chance to read about my problem above? My IP forwarding is not working for some reason. |
| 23:38.23 | sid | wat was the firt lspci cmd yall showed me? |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | sid: just lspci |
| 23:38.31 | sid | lspci -l? |
| 23:38.41 | sid | dam then |
| 23:38.42 | shingouz | sid: lspci | more |
| 23:38.44 | abrotman | hrm .. ac just went .. but power still running ... hrm |
| 23:38.46 | gravity | jeffopi: From my understanding that's fairly difficult without updating to at least testing (and maybe unstable) |
| 23:38.47 | sid | yeah |
| 23:39.04 | sid | more aint showin it ether |
| 23:39.05 | shingouz | sid: or if you have less on the system, replace more with less |
| 23:39.10 | jeffopi | :( |
| 23:39.23 | jeffopi | is etch reliable right now |
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| 23:39.37 | shingouz | sid: literally "lspci | more" |
| 23:39.38 | abrotman | shingouz: he doesn't |
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| 23:39.45 | dabaR | Am I being ignored? |
| 23:39.47 | dabaR | :) |
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| 23:40.33 | shingouz | dabaR: no, just that your question is not answerable by the current population |
| 23:40.48 | dabaR | ok, I was just wondering if you read it at all. thanks. |
| 23:40.58 | sid | ok yall |
| 23:40.58 | shingouz | dabaR: we saw you :) |
| 23:41.02 | sid | thanks for the help ima take a break |
| 23:41.03 | dabaR | good |
| 23:41.09 | sid | i may be back in here later on tonite or tomorrow same time |
| 23:41.11 | sid | thanks for the help |
| 23:41.14 | gravity | jeffopi: Actually, try installing the python2.4 package |
| 23:41.15 | shingouz | sid: install caffeine, it helps |
| 23:41.18 | sid | i hope i didnt work your brains off |
| 23:41.20 | dabaR | it is prolly gonna turn out that my system is broken cause I used unstable packages. |
| 23:41.36 | shingouz | sid: not yet. when you try to make a custom kernel i will scream though :p |
| 23:41.40 | gravity | jeffopi: I didn't realize it had shipped, but it's not the standard python yet in any part of debian |
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| 23:41.43 | dabaR | Altho, the packages used ipmasq, and dnsmasq are still fine. |
| 23:41.58 | jeffopi | gravity, I did that, but when ran python -v, it still said 2.3.5 |
| 23:42.09 | shingouz | abrotman: remember to tell sid about tab completion when he shows up here next time ;) |
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| 23:43.10 | gravity | jeffopi: I don't know if python installs an alternative. If so, read the manpage for update-alternatives and use that to set it to python2.4. If not, just change the symlink by hand. |
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| 23:43.59 | jeffopi | I did a search for symlink earlier today because I didn't know what it was. What is it? |
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| 23:44.57 | gravity | jeffopi: /usr/bin/python :-) |
| 23:44.58 | dbernar1 | its just not working, well, Ill solve the need with a different solution. |
| 23:45.03 | gravity | jeffopi: readlink /usr/bin/python |
| 23:46.37 | outlaw84 | I am looking for an alternative application to dhclient |
| 23:47.05 | shingouz | outlaw84: pump |
| 23:47.21 | jeffopi | update-alternatives --display python2.4 says no alternatives for python2.4 |
| 23:47.27 | shingouz | outlaw84: also /msg dpkg search |
| 23:47.43 | outlaw84 | shingouz: yea thanks |
| 23:48.10 | dbernar1 | that gftp is really a weak ftp client... |
| 23:48.34 | dbernar1 | Just crashes all the time... |
| 23:49.13 | shingouz | dbernar1: ftp the.site.com :p |
| 23:49.36 | shingouz | dbernar1: in other words, CLI is your friend |
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| 23:50.12 | dbernar1 | right, I use that usually, just like the gui, you know... |
| 23:50.20 | dbernar1 | anyhow, on with work. |
| 23:50.22 | Navop | question in proftpd.conf it opens port 21, but my internet supplier blocks the port 21 ..can i change it to another # |
| 23:50.30 | shingouz | dbernar1: gui.. clickyclicky.. eugh |
| 23:50.45 | shingouz | Navop: of course you can |
| 23:50.52 | Navop | ty |
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| 23:52.15 | litage | ever get that sudden feeling of "fsck i love linux! i'm so glad i made the switch!"? :) |
| 23:52.35 | shingouz | litage: every time i have to work on doze |
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| 23:53.49 | boogie | man isn't that the truth. |
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| 23:54.10 | shingouz | boogie: the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth |
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| 23:54.28 | shingouz | ..so help me Tux :p |
| 23:54.41 | liable | heh |
| 23:55.22 | shingouz | of course that is sworn with your hand on O'Reilly "Running Linux" ;) |
| 23:55.34 | underdog | Hi everyojne. I'm trying to configure my wireless network on debian. Thing is... the connection I have on the office works just fine. But when I switch it to my home connection (wich works fine with a windows-based PC by the way) it won't give me an IP. I have configured the router with 40-bit encryption wep-key (even without the wep-key and everything open it won't work). |
| 23:55.34 | underdog | Ideas? :( |
| 23:56.03 | shingouz | underdog: do you have a dhcp server running at home? |
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| 23:56.26 | underdog | shingouz: yes, the router does that for me. |
| 23:56.39 | underdog | I'm actually connecting to IRC from the windows computer that is connected to the same WLAN |
| 23:56.52 | shingouz | underdog: and you have a dhcp client running on the debian i think? |
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| 23:57.32 | underdog | shingouz: you think right. at the office, I also use a wlan based network, with dhcp, and it works just fine |
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| 23:57.51 | underdog | auto eth1 | iface eth1 inet dhcp | <pre-ups...> |
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| 23:58.29 | underdog | after those two lines are the pre-up lines I use to configure channel, essid, and key |
| 23:58.37 | underdog | (key is configured using the hexadecimal string, right?) |
| 23:58.38 | shingouz | underdog: have you tried that particular nic with windows (or some other o/s) against your AP) |
| 23:58.58 | shingouz | underdog: the key is hex, yes |
| 23:59.11 | underdog | shingouz: not really. my laptop only has linux installed |
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| 23:59.59 | shingouz | underdog: it could be because your AP does not like your nic. such things happen. try configuring the nic manually for a change |
