| 00:00.18 | abrotman | abarbaccia: how big is /var ? |
| 00:00.26 | floppyears | FieldySnuts: why not just scp ? |
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| 00:00.53 | Vinland | what are some good graphical firewalls besides firestarter and fwbuilder. |
| 00:01.10 | ma3x | after i boot with tomsrootboot, how can i unpack backup.tar to / |
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| 00:01.27 | ma3x | if / is busy by tomsbootroot then i can't unpack backup.tar to / |
| 00:01.29 | ma3x | or ? |
| 00:01.36 | abarbaccia | abrotman, i dont know - i think its just being stupid |
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| 00:02.05 | abrotman | abarbaccia: probably not .. |
| 00:02.14 | rbochan | Vinland: guarddog is decent |
| 00:02.21 | abrotman | abarbaccia: run .. df -h ... where is /var .. and is there any space left |
| 00:03.10 | abarbaccia | abrotman, its completely full |
| 00:03.29 | abarbaccia | what bullshit - im gonna just reinstall and use one main partition like i should've (using virtual machines = 4GB HDD) |
| 00:04.02 | abrotman | abarbaccia: yeah .. 4GB isn't much space |
| 00:04.41 | abarbaccia | im gonna skip out on the desktop this time and just go with a "sever install" as some would say |
| 00:05.03 | X2 | w00t! |
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| 00:05.13 | X2 | it works |
| 00:05.22 | biesi | how do I fix the "cannot be authenticated" message from apt? |
| 00:05.31 | biesi | do I need to do something so that it can authenticate the packages? |
| 00:05.42 | X2 | abrotman: on yamaha cards the Page size needs to be set at 512 to work |
| 00:05.44 | dondelelcaro | biesi: by getting the key to the archive that you are missing. |
| 00:06.02 | Blissex | biesi: using 'unstable' and upgrading indiscriminately? |
| 00:06.22 | biesi | Blissex, yes |
| 00:06.34 | Blissex | biesi: good, good :-) |
| 00:06.52 | rbochan | biesi: there's an article on debian-administration.org about how to take care of that |
| 00:07.03 | Blissex | biesi: look at the docs for the new '/etc/apt/apt.conf'... |
| 00:07.42 | abrotman | X2: so it all works now ? |
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| 00:07.50 | dondelelcaro | biesi: FE, gpg --recv-keys 1DB114E0; gpg --export 1DB114E0|apt-keys add -; |
| 00:07.58 | abrotman | !tell biesi about apt-secure |
| 00:08.26 | ReleaseX | does it matter that my wireless card comes up as eth1 instead of wlan0 |
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| 00:08.48 | biesi | thank you! |
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| 00:11.21 | Blissex | ReleaseX: no. |
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| 00:12.04 | ma3x | whats the debian livecd distro called? |
| 00:12.18 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 00:12.25 | abrotman | ReleaseX: mine is eth0 |
| 00:12.27 | biesi | hm |
| 00:12.41 | biesi | dondelelcaro, the debian-administration article doesn't mention apt-keys |
| 00:12.43 | biesi | is it required? |
| 00:13.02 | dondelelcaro | biesi: it's a new feature; it's only present in unstable (and possibly testing) |
| 00:13.05 | ma3x | abrotman : what live cd small sized distros do you know? |
| 00:13.15 | dondelelcaro | biesi: if you're using those distributions, you need to read the manpages. |
| 00:13.22 | Stormchaser | Em... what do you need to get to have 'startx' xommand? |
| 00:13.23 | abrotman | ma3x: small sized .. or just a live CD ? |
| 00:13.28 | Stormchaser | Er... Command |
| 00:13.30 | biesi | dondelelcaro, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 is what I just read |
| 00:13.36 | dondelelcaro | biesi: yes, that's outdated. |
| 00:13.45 | biesi | ah |
| 00:13.46 | biesi | ok |
| 00:14.05 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's only a month old |
| 00:14.46 | ma3x | both abrotman |
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| 00:15.11 | CVirus | where is the netinstall iso of the testing release "etch" ?!?! |
| 00:15.16 | abrotman | ma3x: i don't know any small ones .. just CD sized ones |
| 00:15.35 | abrotman | CVirus: i don't think d-i can install etch right now |
| 00:15.38 | dvs | CVirus: There's ain't any |
| 00:15.45 | CVirus | GRRRRRRRR |
| 00:15.45 | abrotman | CVirus: they are working on it .. |
| 00:15.47 | ma3x | well aren't there like 20-70 MBytes? |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | CVirus: you can ask #debian-boot |
| 00:15.55 | abrotman | ma3x: not with a GUI |
| 00:15.57 | dvs | ma3x: 110 MB |
| 00:15.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes, but that doens't make it entirely accurate... the keys for checking the archive are located in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg; not root's keyring |
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| 00:16.04 | ma3x | dvs: whichone? |
| 00:16.08 | ma3x | abrotman dont need a damn gui |
| 00:16.09 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah . ok |
| 00:16.10 | CVirus | abrotman, there is NOWAY to install etch or what ?!?! |
| 00:16.18 | ma3x | need a console with enough fs's supported |
| 00:16.19 | abrotman | ma3x: i thnk DSL has a live cd |
| 00:16.25 | abrotman | CVirus: yes . install sarge .. upgrade to etch |
| 00:16.26 | ma3x | !dsl |
| 00:16.26 | dpkg | it has been said that dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 00:16.33 | ma3x | DSL? |
| 00:16.36 | CVirus | abrotman, more suggestions ? |
| 00:16.37 | ma3x | where you download that? |
| 00:16.37 | liable | ma3x: http://www.sysresccd.org/ ?? |
| 00:16.43 | abrotman | CVirus: i just gave you one |
| 00:16.51 | CVirus | abrotman, and I just said more |
| 00:16.57 | abrotman | CVirus: use floppies ? |
| 00:17.06 | CVirus | :-) |
| 00:17.16 | abrotman | shoot .. i almost forgot to eat .. hrm .. now i gotta find something |
| 00:17.29 | CVirus | abrotman, http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:17.31 | CVirus | isnt this it ? |
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| 00:17.36 | dvs | abrotman: Grabbin a rifle? ;-) |
| 00:17.55 | ma3x | thanks liable |
| 00:17.59 | entheon | what should i use to rip DVD's and or DIVX? i'm purchasing some dvd's and i wanna begin storing them in a catalog on my computer so i can archive the discs so the original copies stay mint |
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| 00:18.36 | CVirus | abrotman, http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso ... isnt this it ? |
| 00:18.39 | abrotman | CVirus: ask #debian-boot . last i read .. it didn't install etch ... |
| 00:18.47 | CVirus | hmm |
| 00:18.48 | CVirus | okay |
| 00:18.50 | CVirus | thanks |
| 00:19.28 | biesi | good, works now after an apt-get update |
| 00:19.34 | duncf | entheon: technically thats illegal in many countries |
| 00:20.58 | entheon | duncf, uhhh sure... but two things... one, what i'm doing is legal cuz i've already purchased the DVD's and it's for home private use |
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| 00:21.01 | entheon | and two... who cares? |
| 00:21.07 | phogg | entheon: Do you want a Debian package to use, or any Linux program? |
| 00:21.17 | PissedTrixBunny | woohooo |
| 00:21.19 | PissedTrixBunny | vnc |
| 00:21.20 | phogg | entheon: actually, no... |
| 00:21.30 | duncf | entheon: what country are you in? |
| 00:21.33 | entheon | uhh... "any linux program" |
| 00:21.36 | phogg | entheon: if your DVDs have CSS on them, ripping them is illegal in the USA |
| 00:21.39 | entheon | duncf, that'd be the USA |
| 00:21.44 | phogg | entheon: use mencoder |
| 00:21.47 | entheon | cascading style sheets? |
| 00:21.49 | entheon | lol |
| 00:21.58 | phogg | entheon: content scrambling system |
| 00:22.02 | entheon | phogg, ok well i'll make note of that |
| 00:22.03 | duncf | entheon: then technically its illegal even to play a DVD on linux |
| 00:22.09 | X2 | XD |
| 00:22.23 | entheon | duncf, well then that falls under category two of my point which is: who cares? |
| 00:22.25 | phogg | entheon: the fact that you must "circumvent" a copyright protection control makes you a criminal, regardless of why. |
| 00:22.28 | entheon | and the answer is not me :) |
| 00:22.32 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 00:22.33 | entheon | phogg, i know it's totally lame |
| 00:22.41 | abrotman | apt: lazy bot |
| 00:22.47 | entheon | exceeding the speed limit makes you a criminal, littering makes you a criminal |
| 00:22.51 | entheon | lots of sutff |
| 00:22.55 | duncf | in Canada, I think it's legal, or at least not clearly illegal |
| 00:23.26 | liable | entheon: why not just aptitude search dvd, gives a couple of options... |
| 00:23.52 | entheon | liable, cuz i'm not on debian :) i was just asking in each of the distro channels cuz it's more likely to get an answer that way :) |
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| 00:24.22 | jayeola | hello chaps |
| 00:24.27 | duncf | entheon: libdvdcss is probably what you're looking for |
| 00:24.33 | duncf | i dont have a link |
| 00:24.35 | dvs | aiding and abetting is criminal |
| 00:25.01 | jayeola | um, would anyone know where the X `include` dirs be? /usr/X11R6/include/X11/ for example? |
| 00:25.17 | jayeola | <-- wanting to build "torsmo" from source |
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| 00:25.42 | abrotman | xlibs-dev |
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| 00:25.52 | jayeola | ty |
| 00:25.54 | abrotman | !tell entheon about marillat |
| 00:26.05 | Zero00oo | gn8 |
| 00:26.05 | salvia | abrotman i'm giving up, i'll stay with this installation of debian. |
| 00:26.13 | abrotman | salvia: good plan :) |
| 00:26.15 | salvia | even if its testing, they told me its okay... true i dunno |
| 00:26.26 | salvia | i have clients shouting |
| 00:26.26 | abrotman | it's not .. but oh well |
| 00:26.30 | salvia | brr |
| 00:26.36 | salvia | what can go wrong? |
| 00:26.40 | abrotman | they lied to you .. but hey .. i'm only a paid admin |
| 00:26.57 | salvia | should i stop installations and demend to get the proper one ? |
| 00:27.01 | resiak | jayeola: Why do you want to build torsmo from source ? |
| 00:27.11 | abrotman | salvia: your system could hve say .. blah0.32 .. whereas sarge would have blah0.31 .. assume a security update comes out .. it won't get patched |
| 00:27.25 | salvia | hmm i see |
| 00:27.29 | abrotman | salvia: but like i said .. it seems fine |
| 00:27.32 | entheon | ? |
| 00:27.36 | entheon | about what? |
| 00:27.42 | X2 | whats that command that shows me what version of something i have? |
| 00:27.52 | X2 | dpkg-showinfo or something |
| 00:27.53 | salvia | Linux hd-t1805cl 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:27.55 | abrotman | salvia: of course .. it is your box .. |
| 00:27.57 | salvia | good enough ? :) |
| 00:28.02 | jayeola | resiak: um, i dunno - why not? |
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| 00:28.06 | liable | X2: dpkg -l foo |
| 00:28.10 | abrotman | salvia: that's just the kernel .. there are .. 17000 packages in sarge |
| 00:28.16 | Kvant | X2, apt-show-versions ? |
| 00:28.18 | X2 | thanks liable |
| 00:28.26 | salvia | abrotman thats the latest kernel ? |
| 00:28.28 | abrotman | apt-cache show |
| 00:28.32 | resiak | jayeola: Because there's a package of torsmo in Debian and compiling it is a total waste of time ? |
| 00:28.32 | abrotman | salvia: for sarge .. yes |
| 00:28.48 | abrotman | !beer resiak |
| 00:29.04 | salvia | lol |
| 00:29.06 | resiak | abrotman: Had enough already, but thanks. :) |
| 00:29.16 | SerpentWolf | whats teh correct way to restart a service in deb? (in this case apacge) |
| 00:29.27 | resiak | SerpentWolf: /etc/init.d/foo restart |
| 00:29.31 | X2 | and how can you find out who built the precompiled package? |
| 00:29.33 | jayeola | resiak: you are absolutely right. but with soooo many packages in the repo.... taking all the fun out of compiling |
| 00:29.41 | SerpentWolf | resiak ok, thanks |
| 00:29.41 | resiak | jayeola: There's fun in it? |
| 00:29.45 | jayeola | heh |
| 00:29.51 | jayeola | <- sadist |
| 00:30.51 | resiak | !crack jayeola |
| 00:31.11 | jayeola | ? |
| 00:31.15 | resiak | Never mind. |
| 00:31.39 | jayeola | *wooosh* over my head |
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| 00:36.26 | stumbles | just helping a friend with his fresh sarge install - he aparently installed "destktop system", but didn't get x-window-system etc. Have installed all than now, but it is included in "desktop system" isn't it? |
| 00:36.59 | dvs | stumbles: Did he try and start it with "startx"? |
| 00:37.58 | stumbles | dvs: it wasn't installed - had to walk him through installinf appropriate packages, x config etc |
| 00:38.17 | stumbles | dvs: ie, no base clients either |
| 00:39.23 | stumbles | i'm surprised it didn't all come under "desktop system", or did he miss something? |
| 00:40.02 | liable | stumbles: sounds a bit strange. |
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| 00:47.45 | supertun | hi |
| 00:47.48 | supertun | hola |
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| 00:48.21 | dvs | adios |
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| 00:48.25 | Mark62756 | hey |
| 00:48.38 | Mark62756 | is there a particular way to upgrade python in debian? |
| 00:48.53 | Mark62756 | like can i just remove python2.3 and install 2.4? |
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| 00:49.39 | dondelelcaro | Mark62756: just install the newer version of python and use aptitude or deborphan to tell you when you can remove the old version. |
| 00:50.01 | Mark62756 | oh hrmm |
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| 00:50.23 | tech9iner | G'Day all |
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| 00:52.43 | Veratien | To whoever it was that told me to change the font loading order in XF86conf to fix small fonts in GTK, there's an easier way; nautilus preferences://. :p |
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| 00:55.14 | Arafangion | My fonts in wine are extremely blurry (Like they've been anti-aliased several times), any suggestions? :( |
| 00:55.48 | stumbles | Veratien: i missed the earlier discussion, but doing it your way won't affect the fonts in GTK 1 programs |
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| 00:56.03 | stumbles | Veratien: try running xmms ;) |
| 00:56.26 | Veratien | stumbles: XMMS works fine... :p |
| 00:57.12 | Veratien | It was GTK2 being a turd. |
| 00:57.24 | stumbles | ah ic |
| 00:58.00 | Arafangion | wine is unuseable on Debian :( |
| 00:58.51 | resiak | Arafangion: you lie! |
| 00:58.52 | stumbles | Arafangion: are you running of an installed copy of windows? |
| 00:59.13 | stumbles | or one created by wine |
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| 00:59.27 | Arafangion | stumbles: One created by wine. |
| 00:59.38 | kevinv | hello |
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| 00:59.44 | stumbles | there goes my theory then hehe |
| 00:59.57 | kevinv | question about Debian Sarge, KDE3.4, and X.org |
| 01:00.18 | stumbles | go for it kev |
| 01:00.25 | dvs | kevinv: Won't happen |
| 01:00.32 | Arafangion | resiak: Care to prove me wrong, then? But I know for a fact that the default wine on unstable, makes firefox (Hey, it was just a test program) so blurry that "96" looks like "%", without the line between. |
| 01:00.37 | kevinv | I had KDE3.4 working with full X.org 6.8 support, but now after a re-install it fails to work now. |
| 01:00.44 | resiak | Arafangion: *shrug* Worksforme. |
| 01:00.49 | kevinv | I am using packages from debian-desktop.org |
| 01:00.51 | resiak | kevinv: Then you weren't using Sarge. |
| 01:01.03 | Arafangion | resiak: How'd you setup wine? |
| 01:01.09 | resiak | Arafangion: Installed it, used it. |
| 01:01.22 | kevinv | resiak: I can tell you the apt, if you would like? |
| 01:01.31 | kevinv | i found it on apt-get.org |
| 01:01.36 | resiak | kevinv: No, I don't care... it's not supported. |
| 01:01.38 | Arafangion | resiak: I used winesetup, I think. |
| 01:01.41 | kevinv | it says it was compiled for sarge |
| 01:01.53 | Arafangion | resiak: Without an already-installed windows. |
| 01:01.53 | kevinv | X.org works fine |
| 01:02.01 | resiak | Arafangion: Right. |
| 01:02.04 | kevinv | I used twm with xcompmgre |
| 01:02.11 | kevinv | *xcompmgr, it |
| 01:02.18 | tech9iner | so debianite pal of mine advised ''' add this line to sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main ''' but im getting errors on same now in synaptic?.. |
| 01:02.24 | kevinv | is fully supported by the distro. |
| 01:02.35 | resiak | tech9iner: And we have to guess what the errors are? |
| 01:02.46 | tech9iner | can someone Please confirm URL he shared Please |
| 01:02.49 | dunstabulos | !8ball |
| 01:02.55 | resiak | !tell tech9iner -about marillat |
| 01:02.58 | kevinv | tech9iner I have that same line in my sources.list |
| 01:03.02 | tech9iner | W: Couldnt stat source package list |
| 01:03.18 | tech9iner | maybe simple as repos down maybe? |
| 01:03.24 | TBBle | 'W:' means warning. |
| 01:03.41 | Arafangion | !tell Arafangion -about marillat |
| 01:03.41 | kevinv | tech9iner: Mplayer right? |
| 01:04.11 | resiak | !tell Arafangion |
| 01:04.17 | resiak | !tell Arafangion -about msgdpkg |
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| 01:04.37 | resiak | abrotman: Why? |
| 01:04.42 | abrotman | resiak: bots |
| 01:04.44 | tech9iner | kevinv heh.. well i am quite the fan of trusty ole mplayer for sure .. but i added above line and now upon opening syn got said failure.. |
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| 01:04.49 | abrotman | resiak: someone has to check :) |
| 01:05.00 | resiak | abrotman: I see. :) |
| 01:05.04 | dunstabulos | tech9iner, should be deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main, according to the website |
| 01:05.40 | tech9iner | eh.. that Could Be relative dunstabulos rofl.. thanks guv |
| 01:05.48 | kevinv | tech9iner: did you try a reload? |
| 01:06.22 | tech9iner | reload kevinv ?.. reload of what.. syn?.. same as quit /restart synaptic ? |
| 01:06.34 | dunstabulos | try an apt-get update |
| 01:06.36 | tech9iner | Please btw kevinv an thanks |
| 01:07.26 | dunstabulos | tech9iner, use the paster to post your sources.list |
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| 01:07.43 | dunstabulos | tech9iner, you are using sarge, right (should still stat tho ...)? |
| 01:08.01 | tech9iner | aye cap'n dunstabulos .. that i be |
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| 01:08.20 | dunstabulos | tech9iner, how did you know i was a pirate? |
| 01:08.27 | tech9iner | lol |
| 01:08.49 | resiak | abrotman: When does the bomb we planted in here go off? |
| 01:08.55 | abrotman | resiak: sunday |
| 01:08.59 | tech9iner | twas the 'thar she blowz!' topshirt could it mate?.. heh |
| 01:09.00 | kevinv | resiak: btw, deb http://www.debian-desktop.org/pub/linux/debian/xorg-6.8.2/ sarge main |
| 01:09.19 | abrotman | !sarge xorg |
| 01:09.23 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 01:09.23 | dpkg | xorg sarge is, like, http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 01:09.36 | tech9iner | ThingzThatMakeYouWannaSay.... Hmmmmm!?!..... ;] |
| 01:09.43 | Veratien | Die. |
| 01:09.44 | tech9iner | no gthumb this gnome desktop eh? |
| 01:09.46 | resiak | kevinv: Why should I care? In any case, your line of questioning seems to be "My unofficial Sarge X.org doesn't work fix it kthxbi" and that's not really sane... |
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| 01:09.58 | abrotman | tech9iner: yes |
| 01:10.01 | kevinv | resiak: I know I found that one after |
| 01:10.04 | abrotman | tech9iner: it's there |
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| 01:10.06 | TBBle | resiak: Nor a question for that matter. |
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| 01:10.23 | kevinv | resiak: deb http://www.debian-desktop.org/pub/linux/debian/kde-3.4.0-rc1/ sarge main |
| 01:10.29 | resiak | *plonk!* |
| 01:10.32 | tech9iner | abrotman run box dont like 'gthumb' ? |
| 01:10.40 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | apt-get install gthumb |
| 01:10.57 | kevinv | resiak: plus the KDE 3.4, but it's not using the X Composite extensions |
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| 01:11.36 | abrotman | kevinv: any more unofficial stuff you'd like to use ? |
| 01:11.40 | dvs | !nickometer ` |
| 01:11.40 | dpkg | '`' is 14.000% lame, dvs |
| 01:11.41 | kevinv | I had X Composite working before in KDE 3.4 under Debian Sarge, but now I have to use 'xcompmgr' in a non-KDE wm. |
| 01:12.07 | SeTog3 | wow , in debian-fr there was animating about porn .. :D |
| 01:12.18 | dunstabulos | tech9iner, can you browse ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/ in (insert ftp client here) |
| 01:12.20 | tech9iner | hmm.. wtf ?.. so the main menu does not.. sadly.. respond to 1st letter keyboard calls on deb ?.. slowing me down.. that'll be changed if possible ;] |
| 01:12.24 | kevinv | abrotman: But didn't XFree86's licence change? |
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| 01:12.43 | dunstabulos | kevinv, debian is moving to x.org, it just hasnt yet |
| 01:12.43 | Arafangion | resiak: I know, but I msg'ed the wrong bot - debhelper ;) |
| 01:12.45 | abrotman | yes .. but the one in sarge is fine |
| 01:12.50 | abrotman | dunstabulos: it's in sid now |
| 01:13.05 | dunstabulos | abrotman, im addicted to stable |
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| 01:13.11 | Unified | hi |
| 01:13.27 | kevinv | X.org, and KDE3.4 do fine, let me just say that. It's more smoother then that of XFree86. |
| 01:13.41 | Unified | off-topic question: is it possible that a company producing notebooks refuses my warrantie, because i've installed debian on one of their products? |
| 01:13.48 | Arafangion | TheRock:~# apt-file list smb.conf |
| 01:13.48 | Arafangion | TheRock:~# |
| 01:13.50 | Unified | s/warrantie/warranty |
| 01:14.03 | Arafangion | (Dang clipboard) |
| 01:14.16 | abrotman | Arafangion: apt-file search smb.conf |
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| 01:14.43 | abrotman | Unified: depends on your warranty .. |
| 01:14.56 | Arafangion | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 01:15.06 | abrotman | Unified: you might be able to just install win32 .. and then try again |
| 01:15.35 | Unified | abrotman it's a parallel installation, and the problem (no output on headphone jack) also appears under windows |
| 01:15.39 | Arafangion | Unified: Most places will re-install anyway. |
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| 01:15.51 | Unified | and the notebook's only two days old |
| 01:16.02 | but3k4 | somebody use skype ? |
| 01:16.12 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 01:16.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:16.13 | Arafangion | Unified: I had a problem with my mouse - re-installed! I had a problem with my screen, well, I guess they re-install as a matter of policy |
| 01:16.21 | Unified | and: since it's possible to change the jack from analog to digital via software, it MUST be a hardware failure |
| 01:16.53 | salvia | is it possible to mount iso and virtually boot it ? |
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| 01:17.09 | Unified | Arafangion i don't care if they re-install windows (no user data so far), all i care is if they could refuse the warranty, because if that happens, i have to pay for the repair |
| 01:17.11 | salvia | like install an iso remotely |
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| 01:17.23 | stumbles | have just set up Sarge for a 14yo cousin of mine - any favourite docs to help him take his first few steps in gnu/linux and debian? something tutorial-like would be great |
| 01:17.38 | Arafangion | Unified: You could try reading the warranty. |
| 01:17.39 | abrotman | Unified: so send it back ? |
| 01:17.44 | abrotman | Unified: debian didn't do it :) |
| 01:17.48 | liraz | Does debian security patching include bug patches? things which are not a security concern, but a nuisance? |
| 01:17.56 | pablum_ | stumbles: tell him to click on everything, and play with it. |
| 01:17.56 | dunstabulos | Unified, where are you, in the uk you could liekyl return it for a full refund even if they refuse warranty |
| 01:18.06 | Arafangion | Unified: If it doesn't say anything about running linux/windows, then they are legally _unable_ to refuse, afaik (ianal) |
| 01:18.14 | Unified | Arafangion the warranty says something like "no warranty if i use unsupported products" |
| 01:18.21 | salvia | abrotman you think that its possible to remote install sarge ? |
| 01:18.27 | Arafangion | Unified: And to that I say bullshit. |
| 01:18.28 | abrotman | salvia: yes |
| 01:18.35 | salvia | oo, like virtual boot ? |
| 01:18.38 | dunstabulos | Unified, does it define what products are supported/unsupported? |
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| 01:18.39 | Unified | wait, will see if i can get a english warranty description |
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| 01:18.56 | Unified | dunstabulos no, and that's the point! who defines what's unsupported? |
| 01:18.57 | TBBle | liraz: That would startlingly belie the phrase 'security patches' |
| 01:19.13 | dunstabulos | then return it and play hell if they moan at you |
| 01:19.14 | nvz | bah. shi-tay |
| 01:19.23 | Arafangion | Unified: Well, if they say that Linux is unsupported, ask for an exhaustive list of supported software. |
| 01:19.28 | liraz | TBBle, oh right. So even the thing which do not pose an actual security threat will be patched. |
| 01:19.29 | liraz | good |
| 01:19.45 | Arafangion | Unified: I guarantee that they won't list your custom VB.script macro you made in school. |
| 01:20.07 | stumbles | pablum_: heh, yeah worked for me! |
| 01:20.08 | Arafangion | Unified: What brand of laptop? |
| 01:20.16 | TBBle | liraz: No, I think you've got that backwards. Security updates only fix security problems. |
| 01:20.41 | salvia | abrotman any idea how to do it |
| 01:20.45 | kevinv | Unified: Exactly no one can define what's unsupported, like X.org, KDE3.4, and Sarge, right guys? |
| 01:20.50 | abrotman | salvia: debootstrap |
| 01:21.00 | Arafangion | Unified: In any case, you should have a system-restore disc, so backup, use it, confirm problem still exists, then send it back. They won't be any the wiser. |
| 01:21.04 | abrotman | salvia: but i won't be held responsible if it screws up |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 01:21.07 | dpkg | hmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
| 01:21.09 | salvia | sure |
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| 01:21.44 | liraz | TBBle, right - I got that. They dont upgrade versions. but since I'm lacking the correct linux/programming terms let me ask it like this: If a program has a bug which forces it to crash, i.e pango(when copying right-to-left language files) is this considered a "security bug" and will be patched, or will it not since no one can use this to exploit the computer? |
| 01:21.44 | Unified | Arafangion the brand it's Asus, and all you say is right, the only problem i have is, that i can't tell for sure if the failure existed before the installation of debian |
| 01:21.48 | salvia | http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 01:22.22 | Arafangion | Unified: And in many countries, afaik, it doesn't matter what the warrantee says, but it has to be fit for purpose, and if you have a (hardware) fault, well, not your problem - you've just bought it! |
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| 01:22.25 | abrotman | liran: you can file a bug .. and it might get fixed in 3.1r1 .. |
| 01:22.27 | salvia | abrotman isnt it possible to boot from the iso virtually |
| 01:22.34 | abrotman | salvia: not that i'm aware |
| 01:22.37 | salvia | aight |
| 01:22.44 | salvia | so i have to do the installation manually |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | or have the admin do it |
| 01:23.07 | Arafangion | Unified: In otherwords, you purchased a faulty item. It is unlikely that Debian broke it (But backup, refresh to factory settings, install recovery CD, etc, and check) |
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| 01:23.43 | nvz | oh well I guess I am taking a nap, lack of anything better to do right now.. everyone just left me :-/ |
| 01:24.03 | Unified | will do |
| 01:24.07 | FieldySnuts | :( |
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| 01:24.31 | Unified | one question: is it warrantee? i thought it's warranty ... |
| 01:24.37 | nvz | if'n them mofos want to par-tay they will come wake me up.. |
| 01:24.39 | abrotman | warranty |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | !party |
| 01:24.46 | dpkg | party is probably Lego, and alcohol |
| 01:24.48 | Unified | k, then i'm right :) |
| 01:25.11 | TBBle | liraz: If someone can demonstrate it's a security problem, and the security team agrees, then it'll get fixed. |
| 01:25.27 | Unified | and fyi, i'm living in germanya |
| 01:25.29 | Unified | -a |
| 01:25.42 | Arafangion | Unified: afaik Europe is quite linux-friendly, right? |
| 01:26.07 | Unified | users definetely, but companys? i don't think so, except for ibm in boeblingen of course ;) |
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| 01:26.19 | liraz | TBBle, oh I see. weird, why woulden't they just fix every bug? |
| 01:26.32 | liraz | patch |
| 01:26.47 | FieldySnuts | z |
| 01:27.01 | TBBle | liraz: To avoid unexpected regressions. The behaviour of stable should not change, or change as minimally as possible if it can't be kept the same. |
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| 01:27.39 | TBBle | The principle of least surprise says that things should work the same before and after security updates, if possible, and obviously excluding the security hole itself. |
| 01:28.12 | Arafangion | TBBle: So, WinXP SP2 complies with that principle, particularly with regards to printers ;) (Closed the security hole) |
| 01:28.12 | liraz | ok.. |
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| 01:28.48 | TBBle | Arafangion: I have no idea, knowing neither WinXP SP2 nor specifically a printer security hole therein. |
| 01:29.13 | TNKS | hi all. I was wondering. What utility is best for managing /var/cache/apt/archives. I have a feeling my archives are kind of building up. |
| 01:29.17 | TBBle | Stable should be bug-for-bug compatible with stable, for those of us running servers who don't want to have to run around panicedly fixing configs after security updates. |
| 01:29.44 | FieldySnuts | no |
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| 01:30.11 | WiFiTux | wow, Sid is really b0rked... :/ |
| 01:30.19 | FieldySnuts | lives up to it's name |
| 01:30.36 | WiFiTux | well, it is now.. |
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| 01:30.37 | Arafangion | TBBle: Well, SP2 was marketed at tightening security (alot), and at alot of companies, it broke printing. |
| 01:30.39 | TBBle | Really borked? |
| 01:30.56 | FieldySnuts | it's windows, this is freenode and #debian, so who cares |
| 01:30.56 | Arafangion | I find that unstable rarely (but sometimes does) break. |
| 01:31.05 | WiFiTux | Anyone knows how can I give a user root-like permissions |
| 01:31.06 | TBBle | Arafangion: See? That's different. We're not talking about security settings, we're talking about security bugs. That's exactly what Stable's trying to _avoid_. |
| 01:31.19 | Arafangion | Ahh. |
| 01:31.41 | Arafangion | What I do like about stable is it's... Well, stability (in that it doesn't change) |
| 01:31.41 | TBBle | Unless you're doing printing on stable using a ptrace exploit or something to submit jobs, obvisouly. |
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| 01:31.50 | TBBle | obviously. |
| 01:32.11 | tech | i have a package with wrong depends installed. apt-get refuses to install a new package because this, is there a option to get apt-get to ignore this? |
| 01:32.42 | kevinv | WiFiTux: Ever try 'sudo' or 'su'? |
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| 01:33.08 | FieldySnuts | @start an editor war |
| 01:33.08 | ravenbird | vim doesn't deserve to be in debian |
| 01:33.29 | Arafangion | ravenbird: I don't think any editor deserves to be named. |
| 01:33.29 | ravenbird | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Arafangion |
| 01:33.32 | TBBle | tech: How did you get the package with wrong depends installed? |
| 01:33.37 | WiFiTux | kevinv: nah, I need to give more access. |
| 01:33.44 | tech | TBBle, --force-depends in dpkg. |
| 01:33.58 | kevinv | WiFiTux: What kind of access? |
| 01:34.09 | TBBle | Well, I think you're gonna have to dpkg --force-* your way out of this then. |
| 01:34.32 | tech | TBBle, cant i access the --force-* options through apt-get ? |
| 01:34.36 | Arafangion | WiFiTux: You might not actually need to provide root, just setup some proper groups. |
| 01:34.47 | TBBle | Nope. |
| 01:35.04 | TBBle | apt-get protects the system from people doing things like that. |
| 01:35.12 | Arafangion | (Thank goodness) |
| 01:35.27 | Arafangion | apt-get --force-* would be very, very dangerous. |
| 01:35.27 | tech | TBBle, that's stupid. |
| 01:35.31 | tech | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.31 | tech | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.31 | tech | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.35 | tech | err |
| 01:35.36 | FieldySnuts | .... |
| 01:35.46 | Ugly_Duck | any one able to explain the difference in the exim4.conf between }{$value}} and {{1}{0}} ? my guess is that one looks at the value returned? and the other looks for true or false? |
| 01:35.49 | dondelelcaro | please don't paste here ever. |
| 01:35.50 | WiFiTux | kevinv: apt, iwconfig, ifconfig |
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| 01:35.59 | TBBle | dpkg is a package manager that just happens to do some dependancy checking by default. apt-get is the thing you should be using if you want your system in a consistant state, or something else that uses libapt. |
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| 01:36.22 | tech | -o, --option, might i be able to accesss it through this? |
| 01:36.26 | dondelelcaro | TBBle: everything actually uses dpkg to isntall the packages. |
| 01:36.26 | kevinv | WiFiTux: ifconfig, any user can view the IP address by '/sbin/ifconfig' |
| 01:36.31 | skimpIzu | how many times does memtest86 repeat (pass) ? |
| 01:36.42 | FieldySnuts | forever |
| 01:36.44 | Arafangion | skimpIzu: mentest86 repeats to ad-infinitum |
| 01:36.51 | skimpIzu | how many should i do ? |
| 01:36.51 | dondelelcaro | tech: what is the exact problem that you're having? |
| 01:37.04 | TBBle | dondelelcaro: True. But "you" shouldn't need it for the general case of installing packages from repositories. |
| 01:37.07 | Arafangion | skimpIzu: Running it for a few hours shoudl be well and truely more than enough (But doesn't test it completely) |
| 01:37.07 | kevinv | WiFiTux: Use 'sudo' and create a script that calls your rooted program with sudo. |
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| 01:37.13 | dunstabulos | dondelelcaro, should add info on pasting to the topic |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | skimpIzu: as many as you think it might need .. i'd do at least 2 |
| 01:37.33 | FieldySnuts | lusers don't read topic. |
| 01:37.33 | tech | dondelelcaro, i have this package that doesnt match with my deps. i installed it with dpkg --force-depends, the package works fine. and apt-get refuses to install new packages with this package that doesnt match installed |
| 01:37.33 | TBBle | The point being that apt won't let you get into the case like tech is in now, where it can't deal with what he's done to the system. |
| 01:37.34 | skimpIzu | Arafangion: how to get complete test |
| 01:37.35 | kevinv | WiFiTux: Use 'visudo' to configure it, and use the 'NOPASSWD' option on those programs. |
| 01:37.37 | dondelelcaro | dunstabulos: have you actually READ the topic? read it again. |
| 01:37.43 | WiFiTux | kevinv: that is crazy. How come I can't grant a user iwconfig access and ifconfig access? |
| 01:37.56 | TBBle | tech: Why doesn't it match your deps? |
| 01:37.58 | FieldySnuts | because users don't need that |
| 01:38.02 | tech | TBBle, it can deal with it. but it doesnt want to ignore it, and that sucks, it wants me to fix the problem |
| 01:38.09 | tech | TBBle, because i installed a breezy package |
| 01:38.11 | kevinv | WiFiTux: You can, but you must configure the groups and files correctly. |
| 01:38.14 | dondelelcaro | tech: which package is this? |
| 01:38.19 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts: I am a user of this box. And because is a laptop, i have to do a lot of stuff. |
| 01:38.19 | Arafangion | skimpIzu: I don't think that you can prove that your memory works, you can, however, prove that it doesn't. |
| 01:38.23 | tech | some game named bomberclone |
| 01:38.34 | FieldySnuts | WiFiTux: su -c command the end |
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| 01:38.45 | Sentia | trying to read a usb/ntfs drive, does 2.6 kernel support ntfs? if so what mount command would I use to read drive |
| 01:38.47 | skimpIzu | well im at 3 passes. wouldnt hurt to leave it overnight |
| 01:38.48 | dondelelcaro | tech: the solution is to either 1) Fix the dependencies of the breezy package by modulating the values of DEBIAN/control and repacking it 2) use equivs to indicate that you've actually got the proper dependencies installed. |
| 01:38.51 | WiFiTux | kevinv: can i simply give /sbin/ifconfig perms to the user? |
| 01:39.02 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts: su -c ifconfig 192 bla bla? |
| 01:39.14 | FieldySnuts | i guess |
| 01:39.18 | Bac9 | is the server move over yet? |
| 01:39.19 | abrotman | in quotes is good |
| 01:39.20 | WiFiTux | guess? |
| 01:39.23 | kevinv | WiFiTux: If you did that it will always ask you for a password |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | Bac9: should be |
| 01:39.26 | Arafangion | skimpIzu: KEep in mind that some errors are still fine. Memtest86 is _Very_ good. |
| 01:39.26 | TBBle | tech: Welcome to the world of "I boned my system, hard". |
| 01:39.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell Bac9 about raff and samosa |
| 01:39.39 | WiFiTux | kevinv: I don't want that. I would then do su for that. |
| 01:39.45 | FieldySnuts | uh no you want NO errors coming from memtest86 |
| 01:39.45 | kevinv | WiFiTux: sudo <command> is much simpler, just disable the password for those programs. |
| 01:39.54 | TBBle | tech: Or stick with dpkg for package management. |
| 01:40.00 | Arafangion | FieldySnuts: Some AMD motherboards give false positives. |
| 01:40.02 | FieldySnuts | WiFiTux: so you want normal users to run normally root-only commands. nice security. i'm done with you. |
| 01:40.04 | WiFiTux | kevinv: ahh! that is acceptable, how do I remove the pass? |
| 01:40.26 | kevinv | WiFiTux: It' |
| 01:40.32 | Bac9 | abrotman, dondelelcaro: so when are packages going to startg getting into etch again? |
| 01:40.42 | abrotman | Bac9: 2-10 days after they get into sid |
| 01:40.48 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts: this is a laptop! if someone else ever puts a hand in this box, they will have their hands choped anyway... IS NOT A SERVER! |
| 01:40.48 | kevinv | WiFiTux: It's very simple, install 'sudo' run 'visudo' |
| 01:40.54 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: presumably today; possibly tomorrow. |
| 01:40.58 | stew | dondelelcaro: hey you are prettey d-legal saavy, right? what is up with shilly putting comments into cdrtools, like "WARNING you are only allowed to change this filename if you also..." or "Warning: you are not allowed to include the #define below if..." how is that stuff possibly dfsg compliant? |
| 01:41.02 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: it depends which line of mirrors you're sitting behind. |
| 01:41.04 | Arafangion | WiFiTux: I open my laptop every second day ;) |
| 01:41.05 | WiFiTux | kevinv: ok. |
| 01:41.05 | tech | TBBle, there must be a config option that i could use to come around this |
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| 01:41.13 | WiFiTux | Arafangion: :) |
| 01:41.20 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: http.us, and nothing new there today |
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| 01:41.25 | landslide | anyone know of a utility that I can use to expand my linux partition? |
| 01:41.31 | landslide | i'm running in vmware. |
| 01:41.36 | Arafangion | WiFiTux: The trick is muttering the secret incantation to open the thing without tearing or scratching plastic. |
| 01:41.42 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: today as in "sometime soon"; not as in "already happened" |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | stew: i think alindeman or asuffield actually might be better .. can't remember which |
| 01:41.46 | FieldySnuts | partition resizing is dangerous and dumb. copy the data of the entire drive somewhere else, repartition reformat dump it back |
| 01:41.52 | landslide | initially it was 4Gb i've expanded the disk to 20Gb, but i can't reallocate the partition larger. |
| 01:41.52 | Bac9 | dondelelcaro: oh |
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| 01:41.57 | WiFiTux | Arafangion: I'm laughin here. |
| 01:42.00 | FieldySnuts | however if you choose to violate my advice, have full backups and don't cry at us |
| 01:42.08 | Arafangion | WiFiTux: You shouldn't. |
| 01:42.10 | landslide | field: it's my rootfs though |
| 01:42.11 | Bac9 | abrotman: :-) |
| 01:42.15 | dondelelcaro | stew: it isn't; but cdrecord is GPLed so that sort of stuff is contrary to its own license. Most people have been kind of ignoring Joerg Schilling's rants on the thing |
| 01:42.38 | WiFiTux | Arafangion: I don't want to open the PC. |
| 01:42.40 | stew | dondelelcaro: so the thinking is that he is trying to assert rights that he already has given up? thats kinda what i was guessing |
| 01:42.48 | TBBle | tech: Nope. You've now taken onto yourself the job apt is supposed to do for you. And with this comes the responsibilities that apt is supposed to look after for you. One of them is keeping your packages in a consitant state. |
| 01:42.59 | dondelelcaro | stew: sort of, yes. |
| 01:43.00 | landslide | field: what software allows me to do it? if i wanted to be dangerous and dumb? |
| 01:43.20 | kevinv | WiFiTux: add this line: ALL ALL = NOPASSWD: <application list> |
| 01:43.24 | stew | dondelelcaro: when you grep for "allowed" in the cdrtools package its like a nightmare, which i guess should be expected of shchilling |
| 01:43.49 | FieldySnuts | just run lindows why don'tya. |
| 01:43.50 | Bac9 | landslide: isn't it easier to alocate a second disk/file then copy over all the stuff then delete? |
| 01:44.11 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: just use the /ignore; you don't need to tell us all about it. |
| 01:44.15 | landslide | bac: i'm not sure what to copy over... |
| 01:44.16 | TBBle | WiFiTux: Add that line, and give me your IP address and a local account, and I'll show you how to use it. |
| 01:44.34 | Bac9 | landslide: all the stuff then delete original |
| 01:44.46 | landslide | but won't it copy the /proc etc, which it shouldn't. |
| 01:44.50 | kevinv | WiFiTux: It is a secutity opening, so only add the users you want to it. |
| 01:44.52 | landslide | because it's my rootfs? |
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| 01:45.08 | kevinv | <username> ALL = NOPASSWD: <application list> |
| 01:45.15 | Bac9 | landslide: there's an option to stay on one filesystem |
| 01:45.50 | kevinv | WiFiTux: But read this manpage for more information: sudoers |
| 01:45.59 | kevinv | WiFiTux: command: man sudoers |
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| 01:46.51 | landslide | bac: an option? which option.... |
| 01:47.17 | Arafangion | WiFiTux: Someday you will need to (Spilling coke is one reason) |
| 01:47.32 | Arafangion | WiFiTux: But not before the warranty expires! |
| 01:47.42 | jay | anyone have any ideas on how to install the nvidia drivers on an AMD64 running the 2.6.12 kernel? I've tried to install several packages from www.nvidia.com, but I haven't had any luck. |
| 01:47.45 | Arafangion | Oh no, you always spell coke the day after it expires. |
| 01:47.49 | jay | it complains about not being able to find /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 or something like that and then it fails. |
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| 01:48.11 | supertun | Hi, anybody speak spanish |
| 01:48.19 | deadcat | !es |
| 01:48.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:48.40 | supertun | thanks |
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| 01:50.11 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 01:50.22 | jay | hello |
| 01:50.41 | mick_home | anyone know the ascii keycodes for mac specific keys |
| 01:50.48 | abrotman | xev might help |
| 01:50.48 | mick_home | command/option etc. |
| 01:50.51 | Arafangion | mick_home: Easy to test. |
| 01:51.02 | mick_home | Arafangion: how? |
| 01:51.03 | Arafangion | ^V<key> |
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| 01:51.37 | nono31 | xfs is more demanding from cpu?? xord? I got this weird thing going on... My home box run fast and perfect will my work box seems to be damn slow on disk access (i mean that it consume the whole cpu at disk access) and on general X use (xord, sid... work os crap, home is perfect...) some ideas? |
| 01:51.50 | nono31 | /s/xord/xorg |
| 01:51.57 | mick_home | Arafangion: ok, what did you do |
| 01:52.04 | mick_home | to do ^V |
| 01:52.05 | markl_ | ext3 question here: when the system comes up after a hard reset, one of the filesystems says "recovering journal" and hasn't come back to say "clean" |
| 01:52.05 | nono31 | /s/will/while |
| 01:52.13 | markl_ | how long can that process take |
| 01:52.16 | mick_home | is that ctrl v? |
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| 01:52.21 | Arafangion | mick_home: Yes. |
| 01:52.41 | Aonix | is there a problem with the mirrors thing^ |
| 01:52.41 | Aonix | ? |
| 01:52.52 | Aonix | I can't apt-get upgrade anything (404 not found) :( |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | apt-get update |
| 01:53.09 | abrotman | which mirror ? |
| 01:53.10 | Aonix | yeah ... I do that to :) |
| 01:53.17 | Aonix | http://http.us.debian.org |
| 01:53.20 | abrotman | pick another ? |
| 01:53.31 | abrotman | or since that is many hosts .. try again |
| 01:53.32 | Arafangion | Aonix: And what version? |
| 01:53.33 | Aonix | abrotman : us.debian.org not up to date? |
| 01:53.37 | Aonix | unstable |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | Aonix: they just moved one of them |
| 01:53.44 | Aonix | but it's been doin' that for weeks ;( |
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| 01:54.22 | nono31 | Aonix: for weeks? or just 1 week? |
| 01:54.23 | Aonix | wooops |
| 01:54.29 | Aonix | sorry... |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | Aonix: sorry? |
| 01:54.48 | Aonix | pressed the wrong button |
| 01:55.04 | Aonix | but usually, mirrors are "almost" always up to date... don't they? |
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| 01:55.24 | Arafangion | Aonix: I would shoot the guy who told you to use unstable. |
| 01:55.36 | deadcat | Arafangion: i am here (= |
| 01:55.38 | Aonix | first, it doesn't work, and 30 seconds after, it works... what the $&!@(*$&.... even their servers are unstable? |
| 01:55.44 | nono31 | Aonix: as abrotman said, they did some "refactoring" fo their servers... (hosting thing) |
| 01:55.44 | Arafangion | deadcat: *blam* |
| 01:55.52 | Aonix | ok ok |
| 01:56.20 | deadcat | Arafangion: you missed. i win |
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| 01:56.38 | Arafangion | deadcat: As much as I like unstable, and feel that it is quite good, I reckon that new debian users should learn how the heck to manage stable first. |
| 01:56.40 | abrotman | !raff and samosa |
| 01:56.41 | dpkg | Raff and Samosa took a little trip via FedEx. They've arrived now. If you even care about this, you should already be subscribed to debian-devel-announce; subscribe, and read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00018.html |
| 01:56.45 | abrotman | see .. READ! |
| 01:56.46 | Arafangion | deadcat: Because unstable _changes_. |
| 01:56.55 | deadcat | Arafangion: ya. |
| 01:56.59 | nono31 | Aonix: it usualy does not happen often just that last week, hosting was changed (fedexed and stuff)... if you are using sid, subscribe to debian-devel-announce mailing ... |
| 01:57.27 | deadcat | Arafangion: some people dont even pay attention to what new packages are being installed. |
| 01:57.42 | Arafangion | deadcat: Another good reason to not suggest unstable... |
| 01:58.29 | rixth | If anyone is a op and ##php we could REALLY use some help |
| 01:58.49 | deadcat | rixth: haha whats going on there |
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| 01:59.01 | rixth | Some loser just going asdfg |
| 01:59.02 | rixth | dsfgsdfg |
| 01:59.02 | nono31 | Arafangion: well, i started with stable (for 1 week, time to get X working) and changed to unstable... this was 4 years ago... No way I go back to a stable state... leaving on the edge he said... not breaking package is no fun!! :-D |
| 01:59.03 | rixth | Etc |
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| 01:59.06 | Aonix | nono31 : thank youv ery much |
| 01:59.19 | deadcat | rixth: damn... didnt get his answer eh? |
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| 01:59.37 | dondelelcaro | rixth: in the future, the best place to ask for that sort of thing is #freenode, not here. |
| 01:59.39 | rixth | deadcat, he didn't have a question! |
| 01:59.51 | deadcat | hahah |
| 01:59.56 | rixth | dondelelcaro, okay, I'll keep that in kind, thanks |
| 02:00.13 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you get free tshirt for volunteering at LWCE? |
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| 02:00.49 | nono31 | Aonix: you can stay using unstable, if you does not bother of having some broke packages sometimes... For me it works just fine... |
| 02:00.51 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: possibly |
| 02:01.01 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cool. iam in |
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| 02:01.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: whos incharge anyway? |
| 02:01.41 | markl_ | answer: ext3 filesystem journals can take a loooong time to recover on large filesystems; mine took 15 minutes |
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| 02:01.51 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: different people depending on what parts you're talking about |
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| 02:02.05 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn too much politic |
| 02:02.38 | dondelelcaro | nah, it's just that no one has really stepped forward to take control; which probably is a good thing. |
| 02:02.41 | t0urneviiiz | hey guys whats up |
| 02:02.56 | t0urneviiiz | anyone around here using Cobalt RaQ's or Qube's with Debian? |
| 02:03.18 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn. i could have stepped up and be the leader. i could have been incharge of all you guys )= |
| 02:04.03 | dondelelcaro | heh. Nah, it kind of needs someone to be a DD to do it; but between Hans, Josh, and myself, most of the stuff is happening. |
| 02:04.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah. well dont majority rules? i can have you guys voted off (= |
| 02:06.24 | landslide | do swap partitions always have to be on the extended partition? |
| 02:06.34 | landslide | why does debian's installer do it? |
| 02:06.53 | barryh | landslide: are you using the auto partitioning? |
| 02:07.17 | barryh | i manually edit and use primary partitions without issue |
| 02:07.20 | deadcat | landslide: if you dont like it. partition yourself. |
| 02:07.21 | abrotman | mine didn't |
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| 02:08.12 | banedon | hi |
| 02:08.16 | banedon | hows life folks |
| 02:08.26 | mepha | preeeeeeeeeety good |
| 02:08.29 | mepha | you? |
| 02:08.41 | banedon | I have a xp deb 3.1 dual boot thanks to two smart gentlemen who helped me debug a lilo.conf earlier |
| 02:08.43 | zinx | oh, hell |
| 02:08.46 | banedon | cheers to this room |
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| 02:08.56 | zinx | anyone know where /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/xf86misc.h is hiding in the new sid packages? |
| 02:09.08 | zinx | Contents claims it's in xlibs-static-dev, but it ain't. |
| 02:09.11 | rebel__ | packages.debian.org |
| 02:09.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: jeremey (Cyis) is a DD as well. |
| 02:10.25 | vikas | i'm using tvtime to view tv, i installed fbtv to view it on the fb console, but i get no sound output. I tried with xawtv as well, same thing happens. i have no problem with tvtime... any ideas? |
| 02:10.51 | zinx | rebel__: unfortunately, that says the same (and most likely uses Contents) |
| 02:11.13 | Exodus | Can someone direct me to some debian way of installing the nvidia drivers? |
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| 02:11.48 | deadcat | !tell Exodus about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:12.21 | deadcat | ah |
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| 02:12.41 | lilohatea | this is the best site that i have found: http://home.comcast.net/%7Eandrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 02:12.59 | lilohatea | for nvidia install |
| 02:13.02 | abrotman | the one liner is best |
| 02:13.13 | abrotman | !tell zinx about search |
| 02:13.19 | Exodus | deadcat, i have only one question about that method |
| 02:13.22 | zinx | abrotman: I have searched. |
| 02:13.29 | Exodus | i apt-get the 2.6 headers.. |
| 02:13.31 | zinx | abrotman: i'm about to file a bug if no one has any better ideas |
| 02:13.37 | abrotman | zinx: but you moved to xorg .. didn't you ? |
| 02:13.44 | zinx | abrotman: yes, and the searches show nothing |
| 02:13.49 | Exodus | when i run m-a prepare it gives an error about unconfigured kernel |
| 02:13.52 | abrotman | zinx: you didn't search very hard |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | !find xf86misc.h |
| 02:13.58 | Exodus | do i have to make menuconfig then run m-a ? |
| 02:14.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xf86misc.h' (1): (/usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/xf86misc.h) in libdevel/xlibs-static-dev. |
| 02:14.06 | zinx | abrotman: again, it is not in xlibs-static-dev |
| 02:14.14 | abrotman | zinx: dpkg never lies! |
| 02:14.33 | Exodus | do i have to make menuconfig then run m-a ? |
| 02:14.37 | zinx | abrotman: list the contents of the actual package yourself if you don't believe me |
| 02:14.43 | abrotman | zinx: i have not sid |
| 02:14.43 | zinx | Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 |
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| 02:14.48 | zinx | abrotman: you don't need it |
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| 02:14.58 | zinx | abrotman: dpkg can list contents without installing, amazingly |
| 02:15.08 | deadcat | Exodus: just follow the goddamn instruction |
| 02:15.12 | abrotman | zinx: i'm not on sid .. |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | zinx: as in .. i don't have xorg |
| 02:15.40 | abrotman | since .. sarge says the same package |
| 02:15.43 | zinx | abrotman: amazingly, you don't need sid *OR* xorg |
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| 02:15.54 | liable | Exodus: copy your config over from /boot if its whinging (rename it .config) |
| 02:16.01 | zinx | abrotman: merely pull the package "xlibs-static-dev_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb" from the site and use dpkg --contents xlibs-static-dev_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb |
| 02:16.03 | Exodus | deadcat, i did exactly...but the 'm-a prepare' stopped with an error: "Warning, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!" |
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| 02:16.16 | Exodus | liable, that's what i wanted to know, thank you. |
| 02:16.22 | zinx | abrotman: and be amazed at the total lack of anything called xf86misc.h |
| 02:16.33 | zinx | on that note, i'm filing a bug :P |
| 02:16.43 | abrotman | zinx: looking now |
| 02:17.07 | abrotman | !win zinx |
| 02:17.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, zinx! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:18.17 | abrotman | zinx: i wonder how that happens ... |
| 02:18.29 | zinx | abrotman: no clue. it's even listed in Contents |
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| 02:18.42 | Exodus | liable, i copied it and it still say unconfigured kernel. Any idea? |
| 02:18.45 | WiFiTux | abrotman: you are on sid? |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | no |
| 02:18.52 | abrotman | why would i be? |
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| 02:19.19 | vikas | is there any way of specifying the audio output in xawtv? |
| 02:19.53 | liable | Exodus: um, not really. |
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| 02:21.38 | curt | my bro is trying to get initial setup working for video |
| 02:21.42 | deadcat | Exodus: m-a -k /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` build nvidia-source |
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| 02:21.55 | curt | he has a sony with inegrated graphics |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | curt: what kind of integrated video ? |
| 02:22.15 | curt | his resolution is 320x200 |
| 02:22.35 | curt | and he really can't seem to get it higher with dpkg-recon... |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | curt: what kind of integrated video ? |
| 02:22.56 | curt | i think its intel |
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| 02:23.03 | abrotman | curt: lspci will tell you |
| 02:23.07 | abrotman | like this |
| 02:23.09 | curt | his box is a sony vaio pcv70 |
| 02:23.22 | abrotman | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 02:23.22 | abrotman | etc |
| 02:23.24 | Exodus | lemme try it out deadcat...been trying everything...just don't want to compile kernel and use the nvidia installer. |
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| 02:23.24 | curt | it say vga compatible |
| 02:23.28 | sorush20 | guys is it not possible to run two termianl processes.. you see I have a radio ripper running... just recording important discusssions, and another program needs to install a package.. but the installations will not work.. I think since the radio ripper is running.. .(streamripper), is it not possible to run two... |
| 02:23.30 | abrotman | lspci .. what kind |
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| 02:23.46 | banedon | what the best way to learn how to admin a website running debian? |
| 02:23.46 | landslide | if i am in xdm, how do i bail out to the normal text console? |
| 02:23.51 | banedon | debianplanet? |
| 02:23.52 | landslide | i've run out of disk space and it doesn't let me login. |
| 02:23.59 | abrotman | landslide: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 02:24.09 | landslide | hmm, not working in vmware :( |
| 02:24.12 | curt | he's checking now i'll get right back to you |
| 02:24.17 | abrotman | banedon: you read .. debian-administration.org is a decent site |
| 02:24.21 | abrotman | so is debianhelp.org |
| 02:24.29 | abrotman | so is debian.org/docs |
| 02:24.30 | mmiikkee12 | landslide:ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: no |
| 02:24.44 | abrotman | landslide: don't do that |
| 02:24.52 | mmiikkee12 | that exits something... |
| 02:24.57 | maher | sorush20: you can run stuff in the background with command &, or sun screen |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: no it doesn't |
| 02:25.08 | maher | sorush20: s/sun/run/ |
| 02:25.08 | mmiikkee12 | nm |
| 02:25.11 | abrotman | banedon: sorry .. debian.org/doc/ |
| 02:25.17 | nicolas22 | Hi, I have a question about Debian + KDE 3.3... I have a pretty basic setup... I mean, I tried to put in the system only the essential... no espacial services running(like samba, nfs, etc)... as little as possible soft... I have made a huge clean up of the system after install... well the "problem" is that, from my point of view, linux is eatting up a lot of memory... for example right now, i have open only mozilla firefos, ksirc and gaim and |
| 02:25.18 | nicolas22 | from my 512MB of RAM there is only 100MB free... about 400MB used... why is that? that is a lot of memory... when I use w2k with MatLAB o AutoCAD running i have more than 200MB free... and here with a bunch of small programas I used a lot more... why is that? may i have something wrong in my configuration... please help... it is pretty annoying... specially because i think of linux like a system that did efficient use of resources |
| 02:25.40 | sk545 | ummm, is most of kde broken in Sid? |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | nicolas22: that's the way EVERY os should work |
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| 02:25.49 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 02:25.49 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 02:26.11 | nicolas22 | abrotman: explain to me a little more please |
| 02:26.25 | _taec_ | dpkg just explained to you |
| 02:26.33 | maher | nicolas22: don't worry - everything's fine - just use your computer |
| 02:26.37 | curt | abrotman: it is vga compatible: nvidia.... 64:64pro |
| 02:26.37 | banedon | well |
| 02:26.43 | curt | he's telling me over te phone so |
| 02:26.44 | abrotman | nicolas22: your OS should always use as much ram as it can .. and shouldn't swap out unless it has to |
| 02:26.47 | banedon | I love free software |
| 02:26.49 | banedon | I really do |
| 02:26.56 | _taec_ | I love you! |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | curt: geforce what? 2,3,4 ? |
| 02:27.04 | banedon | anyone here ever look at squeak? (smalltalk) |
| 02:27.09 | banedon | or clisp? |
| 02:27.11 | curt | i'll ask |
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| 02:27.26 | nicolas22 | if i do a free command i should have a more accurate info about really free mem? |
| 02:27.44 | abrotman | nicolas22: i suppose |
| 02:28.01 | WiFiTux | to get evolution client, I have to download the whole deal? I mean, full apt-get install evolution |
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| 02:28.13 | abrotman | WiFiTux: what do you think the whole deal is ? |
| 02:28.40 | WiFiTux | abrotman: server and stuff, If I want to install it, it even ask me to get spamassasin |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | WiFiTux: what server? |
| 02:28.52 | nicolas22 | ok... now everything make sense... really used memory is about 135MB... that's ok!!! thank you!!! |
| 02:28.53 | curt | nv5m64{riva tnt2 model 64/model 64 pro} |
| 02:29.07 | WiFiTux | abrotman: evolution-data-server |
| 02:29.08 | abrotman | curt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. choose the nv driver |
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| 02:29.17 | abrotman | WiFiTux: yes .. thta's part of the client |
| 02:29.35 | curt | ok thank you again, and again... |
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| 02:29.59 | WiFiTux | abrotman: ok, I guess. |
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| 02:30.38 | abrotman | !depends evolution |
| 02:30.41 | dpkg | evolution: depends on gtkhtml3.6 (>= 3.6.2), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libcamel1.2-0 (>= 1.2.3), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcompfaceg1, libdb4.1, libebook1.2-3 (>= 1.2.3), libecal1.2-2 (>= 1.2.3), libedataserver1.2-4 (>= 1.2.3), libedataserverui1.2-4 (>= 1.2.3), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), ... |
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| 02:30.53 | abrotman | is that all .... |
| 02:31.01 | t0urneviiiz | hey guys, if i would like to have multiple sessions while logged via the console port on my cobalt, is there anything special I need to install or configure? |
| 02:31.10 | maher | t0urneviiiz: screen |
| 02:31.30 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:31.30 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 02:31.34 | salvia | how can i display cpu temp in console? |
| 02:31.37 | salvia | !temp |
| 02:31.40 | salvia | ehe |
| 02:31.43 | salvia | moo |
| 02:31.44 | t0urneviiiz | apt-get install screen and then when i ctrl-alt-fx it will change to the requested console? |
| 02:31.50 | StijnT | rooooflmao |
| 02:32.05 | maher | t0urneviiiz: no - that's virtual terminals - man screen |
| 02:32.09 | t0urneviiiz | ok |
| 02:32.18 | salvia | !depends acid |
| 02:32.20 | salvia | lsd? |
| 02:32.33 | t0urneviiiz | hrm okay |
| 02:32.34 | salvia | common how do i view the temp |
| 02:32.36 | t0urneviiiz | thanks |
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| 02:32.49 | salvia | Jul 29 20:32:36 hd-t1805cl kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 02:32.49 | salvia | Jul 29 20:32:36 hd-t1805cl kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 02:32.57 | nicolas22 | i have a question to about nvidia graphics drivers... i have a nvidia asus fx5200.... right now i am using the official drivers from nvidia... but i wonder if there is some open project with better drivers than official's... and another question about how to tweak the settings of the fx5200 and be able to use the TV-OUT... I downloaded yanc... but it didnt recognize me the TV OUT neither a lot of options like overclocking, etc... anybody knows |
| 02:32.57 | nicolas22 | how to set this sort of things? |
| 02:33.04 | salvia | that's only happend after i upgraded the kernel to 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 02:33.14 | abrotman | nicolas22: no .. call nvidia and bitch |
| 02:33.20 | t0urneviiiz | oh one more question, is there a place where i can set the console output? because right now its pretty damn small (columns/rows wise) |
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| 02:33.37 | salvia | anyone ? |
| 02:34.05 | landslide | argggg.. i keep getting this atkbd.c unknown key pressed/released. |
| 02:34.11 | landslide | when i'm just typing normal keys |
| 02:34.23 | landslide | it's driving me CRAZY. anyone know how to fix? |
| 02:34.45 | nicolas22 | i have already done that... i hate thoose guys of nvidia... but for the time being i would like to take advantages of this features of my graphic card.... no way to use TV out under linux? |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | ask #nvidia |
| 02:35.26 | nicolas22 | ok, thanks |
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| 02:37.38 | curt | error returned with the nv driver: screens found but no valid configurations |
| 02:37.49 | curt | resolution set too high? |
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| 02:38.06 | cybr | I have a question about the GNU vers. 2 license. |
| 02:38.08 | abrotman | curt: possible .. have to check the EE lines in the error log in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 02:38.15 | cybr | anybody around who can talk for a sec? |
| 02:38.17 | curt | kk |
| 02:38.23 | curt | get back to you on that |
| 02:38.24 | abrotman | curt: does his internet work ? |
| 02:38.37 | curt | yes but |
| 02:38.40 | Anders | cybr, just ask instead |
| 02:38.45 | abrotman | but? |
| 02:38.46 | zinx | abrotman: heh, apparently they forced it to not fail on the MANIFEST check |
| 02:38.55 | curt | can't really browes at the desktop level |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | zinx: it was intentional ? |
| 02:39.03 | zinx | abrotman: i doubt the missing files were intentional |
| 02:39.04 | curt | he can download packages and stuf |
| 02:39.05 | cybr | I'm doing some contract coding for this company. I was looking through their code today and noticed that they're using libmysqld. |
| 02:39.09 | abrotman | curt: have him `apt-get install irssi-text` .. then he can come here |
| 02:39.16 | zinx | abrotman: but allowing the package repository to become so out of sync apparently was |
| 02:39.20 | cybr | The header most definitely has GNU 2 on there. |
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| 02:39.26 | curt | ok will do |
| 02:39.31 | abrotman | curt: then we can help him directly .. unless you like being a messenger :) |
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| 02:39.37 | mmiikkee12 | is there a driver for the westell 6100 usb dsl modem? |
| 02:39.45 | maher | cybr: code for internal use? |
| 02:39.52 | abrotman | zinx: so .. it's a bug .. or not ? |
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| 02:40.05 | zinx | abrotman: i filed it as one ;) |
| 02:40.06 | cybr | well, that's what I'm not sure about... I mean what that technically means. |
| 02:40.15 | cybr | They will be using it as a backend for their server. |
| 02:40.24 | cybr | it's a component of the product. |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | yay zinx |
| 02:40.35 | cybr | but I don't think they will be distributing it to customers. |
| 02:40.37 | zinx | abrotman: since at the very least, the Contents should match what's actually in the package |
| 02:40.42 | abrotman | yeah |
| 02:40.46 | maher | cybr: that's probably fine then |
| 02:40.47 | ohad_ | hi, is there a pkg that can make it easier for me to upgrade my kernel? i am trying to upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11 |
| 02:40.55 | cybr | ok, thanks. |
| 02:40.56 | zinx | abrotman: otherwise, i'll never find where they hid xf86misc.h :( |
| 02:41.06 | zinx | abrotman: or the other very important headers/libraries that are missing in the new one |
| 02:41.12 | maher | cybr: of course, i am not a lawyer... |
| 02:41.15 | abrotman | zinx: heh |
| 02:41.19 | curt | what's he do with irssi after he get's it ( he got it...) |
| 02:41.28 | cybr | heh |
| 02:41.33 | curt | type irssi? |
| 02:41.34 | cybr | me neither <obviously> |
| 02:41.41 | abrotman | curt: irssi-text -c irc.freenode.net .. once it connects .. /j #debian |
| 02:41.50 | curt | ok |
| 02:41.50 | mmiikkee12 | is there a linux driver for the westell 6100 usb dsl modem? |
| 02:41.57 | cybr | Now I don't have a hook for asking for a raise! |
| 02:41.58 | cybr | shit |
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| 02:42.36 | abrotman | did anyone tell him the mysql license actually forbids what he wants to do .. GPL or not ? |
| 02:42.45 | ohad_ | where can i find the doc of how to compile my new kernel on ebian ? /usr/share/doc/kernel? |
| 02:42.50 | zinx | mmiikkee12: depending on the USB vendor/product ID.... probably not |
| 02:43.17 | abrotman | !tell ohad_ about kp |
| 02:43.21 | zinx | mmiikkee12: if it's using a somewhat standard usb ethernet controller, it's supported, but usually those things use proprietary protocols |
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| 02:44.14 | maher | abrotman: waht? |
| 02:44.41 | ohad_ | dpkg kp |
| 02:44.41 | dpkg | kp is, like, To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | maher: cows ? |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | maher: oh . the mysql license |
| 02:45.58 | abrotman | maher: you have to buy a license for mysql if you want to package it as part of a closed app |
| 02:46.33 | maher | abrotman: not for internal use |
| 02:47.04 | nvz | where the hell are cached packages kept by apt/dpkg whatever it is? |
| 02:47.04 | abrotman | maher: he said it was possibly part of a product |
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| 02:47.13 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 02:47.37 | maher | abrotman: but its the backend which the dont' distribute |
| 02:47.50 | abrotman | maher: the ? |
| 02:48.25 | ohad_ | how do i read the .gz docs? tar what? |
| 02:48.26 | maher | abrotman: they |
| 02:48.38 | maher | ohad: zless, or set up lesspipe |
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| 02:48.41 | abrotman | maher: it's iffy .. they use mysql as backend .. if they bundle mysql .. and it's not an open app .. they have a problem |
| 02:49.39 | silensius | i have install via netinstall debian sarge but after i upgrade kde 3.3 to 3.4 , now i can write anyting or add to my desktop ? |
| 02:49.54 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 02:49.58 | silensius | thanks |
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| 02:50.37 | maher | abrotman: who knows? its possible mysql is not directly exposed to the clients |
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| 02:51.31 | lb | hello |
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| 02:51.59 | concept10 | What are the primary differences between boot loaders like grub, lilo and other stuff like yaboot? |
| 02:52.12 | abrotman | yaboot is for macs |
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| 02:52.28 | abrotman | maher: it's all about how they package it i guess |
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| 02:52.47 | abrotman | maher: though .. if they compile in libmysqld .. that could be a violation .. not sure |
| 02:52.51 | Exodus | what are the xfree modules you have to disable for the nvidia driver? glx? |
| 02:52.53 | concept10 | abrotman, I know its for another platform but are the concepts of the application different? |
| 02:52.58 | mmiikkee12 | Is there a graphical package manager for Debian? |
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| 02:53.07 | abrotman | concept10: for some bootloaders it is |
| 02:53.11 | concept10 | mmiikkee12, Yes. Synaptic |
| 02:53.12 | maher | abrotman: google use mysql afaik - but your browser doesn't need to know about that |
| 02:53.40 | landslide | anyone know of a good tutorial for moving my root filesystem to another drive? |
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| 02:53.58 | abrotman | maher: i've read the license |
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| 02:54.33 | maher | abrotman: mysql is gpl - i've read the license too |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | maher: only for open source apps .. |
| 02:55.00 | curt | irssi installed and connected |
| 02:55.08 | maher | abrotman: gpl is gpl - unrestricted private use is covered |
| 02:55.17 | curt | can't realy see my text when i type there >>to here |
| 02:55.29 | abrotman | maher: dont' tell me .. tell them .. read thier website .. you're wrong |
| 02:55.35 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's GPL for everything; there are just some things that aren't compatible with the GPL so want to find a different license. |
| 02:55.41 | mmiikkee12 | it's on debian too? |
| 02:55.47 | abrotman | maher: according to them anyways |
| 02:55.49 | mmiikkee12 | thought that was ubuntu-only |
| 02:55.57 | RemyHome | hi all, I'm a complete Linux noob in the middle of installing Debian :D |
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| 02:56.08 | RemyHome | So I might have a few questions... |
| 02:56.12 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: no, it was originally written for Debian. Ubuntu just happened to use it. |
| 02:56.16 | mmiikkee12 | oh |
| 02:56.29 | mmiikkee12 | is it automatically installed? |
| 02:56.36 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: it is if you tell it to be. |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | maher: i'm looking for the URL ... moment |
| 02:56.39 | RemyHome | I'm trying to load X atm (running startx in the shell) and it's giving me what appears to be a can't find mouse error and crashing. |
| 02:56.45 | maher | abrotman: Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute. As long as you never distribute the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL license or not. |
| 02:56.51 | RemyHome | I've tried searching the debian site, but no joy... |
| 02:56.53 | RemyHome | any ideaS? |
| 02:56.55 | Exodus | what are the xfree modules you have to disable for the nvidia driver? glx? |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | maher: http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/ |
| 02:57.07 | mmiikkee12 | I only selected "desktop environment" in the installer |
| 02:57.11 | curt | !irssi |
| 02:57.12 | dpkg | [irssi] the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 02:57.13 | abrotman | maher: don't argue the license with me .. i'm telling you how they do it .. bitch at them . .it's not free for closed apps |
| 02:57.41 | maher | abrotman: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | maher: read the link ... |
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| 02:58.00 | curt | wow heated |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | maher: according to mysql .. they don't care .. they dual license it ... |
| 02:58.06 | maher | abrotman: mysql make it clear on their site you have unrestricted private use |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | maher: you have a closed app .. you have to pay |
| 02:58.21 | Guerin | maher: so it's free software for some people |
| 02:58.22 | liable | RemyHome: what kind of mouse? |
| 02:58.24 | peterS | abrotman: BS. only if you publish the closed app. |
| 02:58.25 | abrotman | maher: right .. if you make a product .. and bundle mysql .. you have to pay |
| 02:58.28 | Guerin | like qt |
| 02:58.32 | maher | abrotman: see the above quote i took from their site, and they direct you to the gpl faq |
| 02:58.35 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. duh |
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| 02:58.40 | ohad_ | is there an "easier" way to install a new kernel ? would apt-get the kernel-image and headers will do it?:) |
| 02:58.50 | maher | abrotman: if you don't distribute mysql you can do whatever you like |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | if you never release it .. how would anyone know if it's closed or open |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | maher: i realize that .. i'm telling you what's on thier site .. |
| 02:59.16 | liable | ohad_: you cant apt-get one? is that what you are saying? |
| 02:59.17 | peterS | abrotman: whether anyone would know is beside the point. the point is that it's legal. |
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| 02:59.24 | abrotman | oh shit .. FFS |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | if you make a product .. and want to bundle mysql .. you have to pay .. at least according to them |
| 02:59.47 | ohad_ | liable: i apt-get the image of the kernel i wanted and its headers. what now? |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | and you want to keep the app closed |
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| 02:59.59 | RemyHome | liable: laptop, so it's a touchpad |
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| 03:00.05 | curt_ | test text |
| 03:00.07 | liable | ohad_: reboot, choose the new one. |
| 03:00.08 | Guerin | ohad_: using grub? reboot. |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | curt_: yes |
| 03:00.22 | ohad_ | liable: ok. i'll try. thanks |
| 03:00.23 | peterS | abrotman: better than libreadline. if you want to make a closed product and use libreadline, you can't pay, you can't do anything, you just can't do it at all |
| 03:00.26 | curt | it's ok |
| 03:00.30 | peterS | abrotman: since that's GPL too |
| 03:00.35 | curt | i was just checking how to use that irssi |
| 03:00.40 | curt | so i could tell my bro |
| 03:00.43 | liable | RemyHome: use ps2, and /d3ev/input/mice or /dev/psaux |
| 03:00.48 | curt | we where root and nothing showed up |
| 03:00.49 | liable | !drxx RemyHome |
| 03:00.50 | dpkg | RemyHome: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 03:00.58 | curt | i logged as me and it shows |
| 03:00.58 | maher | peterS: or depending on your point of view worse than libreadline :) |
| 03:01.07 | peterS | maher: yeah, I guess (: |
| 03:01.13 | abrotman | peterS: ok .. but i'm not saying anything about libreadline :) ... i'm merely pointing out that cybr may potentionally have a problem if his company intends to sell a closed product that used libmysqld |
| 03:01.40 | abrotman | err uses |
| 03:01.44 | maher | abrotman: from cybr's description i got the impression that they weren't distributing the backend |
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| 03:01.54 | RemyHome | dpkg: will try that thanks. |
| 03:02.00 | RemyHome | liable: wish the lapp had ps/2... |
| 03:02.12 | StijnT | lol |
| 03:02.16 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.17 | peterS | / \ |
| 03:02.22 | liable | RemyHome: thats the protocol for your touchpad. |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | maher: he wasn't very clean .. but mysql surely seems to imply that if you wish to distribute a closed app with mysql(dunno if libmysqld counts) bundled .. you're supposed to pay them |
| 03:02.31 | abrotman | s/clean/clear/ |
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| 03:02.44 | liable | RemyHome: when you do what dpkg said (by the way its a bot) |
| 03:02.46 | maher | abrotman: what part of not distribute are you having problems with? |
| 03:02.53 | mmiikkee12 | !log |
| 03:02.54 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 03:02.58 | abrotman | maher: he said he wasn't sure about that either |
| 03:03.03 | peterS | abrotman: also, regarding backends and frontends - if they plan to distribute libmysqld *or* libmysqlclient, same story |
| 03:03.20 | mmiikkee12 | nothing like a random bot comment to wake everyone up :) |
| 03:03.36 | abrotman | peterS: so yes .. if his company plans to distribute a closed app with libmysqld then .. sounds like they'd have to pay |
| 03:03.38 | lilohatea | :) |
| 03:03.58 | peterS | abrotman: indeed. that's mysql's main revenue stream. |
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| 03:04.28 | curt | figureing out irssi: what is the easiest way to not be root (be logged as a user) so text will show up here? |
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| 03:04.47 | abrotman | peterS: that's what i've been trying to say .. and maher keeps arguing that it's not true .. whether or not it's gpl-compatible wasn't my point . it's what mysql AB does .. |
| 03:04.49 | curt | he (brother) can't get to gui at a readable setting |
| 03:04.59 | peterS | curt: easiest way is just to *not be root already*, in your normal debian work |
| 03:05.05 | abrotman | curt: log in as a normal user :) |
| 03:05.23 | curt | but the gui wants to laod auto and fails |
| 03:05.30 | curt | load* |
| 03:05.33 | maher | abrotman: it is true that mysql will cut you a non gpl license for a fee |
| 03:05.48 | abrotman | maher: and if you distribute a closed app .. you need one of those |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | according to them |
| 03:06.32 | maher | abrotman: of course - i have not been disagreeing with that - the issue is whether or not the hypothetical app is going to distributed or not |
| 03:06.37 | peterS | abrotman: this is a loophole that the GPL3 is rumored to be closing - having a web service where you don't actually send people code - whether *that* is covered by the GPL disclosure rules |
| 03:06.55 | sorush20 | guys I have a .bin file.. its the JRE, and I need to install it.. how can I extract the source and do a configure, then make , then make install.. can anyone help |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | maher: i just said he wasn't clear |
| 03:07.01 | liable | curt: log in as a user, run 'irssi' |
| 03:07.03 | abrotman | !tell sorush20 about install java |
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| 03:07.11 | peterS | abrotman: RMS wants to cover publicly run services, like all of google's use of GPL code. I think that's reaching too far |
| 03:07.13 | mmiikkee12 | !install java |
| 03:07.14 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
| 03:07.23 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: /msg works |
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| 03:07.36 | maher | peterS: i'm not sure that is going to fly either... |
| 03:07.39 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it's not clear yet if that's what RMS wants or even if the GPL will close the ASP loophole. |
| 03:07.54 | peterS | dondelelcaro: oh, last I heard that was the plan. maybe it has changed |
| 03:07.56 | abrotman | i wonder where RMS gets all his crack :) |
| 03:07.59 | mmiikkee12 | yeah... i was showing that to sorush20 |
| 03:08.06 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: i already had done that .. |
| 03:08.19 | mmiikkee12 | but nothing happened |
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| 03:08.25 | mmiikkee12 | never mind |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | !tell mmiikkee12 about msgbot |
| 03:08.26 | dondelelcaro | peterS: there are a few ideas being batted around, but there won't be much of a plan until the actual draft of GPL v3 is handed out |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | !tell mmiikkee12 about msgbots |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | ffs |
| 03:08.33 | abrotman | i give up |
| 03:08.36 | abrotman | !tell mmiikkee12 about msg |
| 03:08.37 | peterS | maher: I gather the idea is to make "web service" sound like "public performance", which is covered by copyright laws (you can't go buy a CD and DJ it in public, without a special license) |
| 03:08.42 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: see what i mean |
| 03:08.46 | RemyHome | liable |
| 03:08.52 | liable | RemyHome: |
| 03:08.54 | RemyHome | which mouse port should I select ? |
| 03:08.59 | mmiikkee12 | oh |
| 03:09.02 | RemyHome | It's configuring the xserver mouse input |
| 03:09.09 | mmiikkee12 | didn't know you could do that |
| 03:09.11 | RemyHome | and I'm not sure which one to select for the touchpad... |
| 03:09.23 | liable | /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux (either should work) |
| 03:09.36 | maher | peterS: well - we'll see |
| 03:09.44 | peterS | indeed |
| 03:09.51 | abrotman | so yes .. the mysql licensing scheme sucks :) |
| 03:10.00 | abrotman | doh . .kids having sex .. horror movie .. they die! |
| 03:10.33 | abrotman | children of the corn .. 2!!! |
| 03:11.13 | RemyHome | woot! |
| 03:11.14 | RemyHome | winnah\ |
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| 03:11.36 | peterS | abrotman: the mysql licensing scheme sucks why? because it's GPL? or because you're allowed to buy an exception to the GPL? |
| 03:11.48 | RemyHome | what would you recommend, KDE or gnome ? |
| 03:11.54 | Guerin | RemyHome: neither |
| 03:11.56 | sorush20 | couldn't the ubuntu CD come with the check list of what extras you might want.. |
| 03:12.12 | liable | RemyHome: try both, try everything, its all free :) |
| 03:12.14 | RemyHome | Guerin, what would you recommend ? |
| 03:12.22 | peterS | sorush20: the ubuntu CD is offtopic here |
| 03:12.22 | abrotman | peterS: because you're damned if you do .. damned if you don't :) |
| 03:12.28 | Guerin | sorush20: xfce4 |
| 03:12.39 | abrotman | peterS: i guess they could have lgpl'd it .. but oh well |
| 03:12.41 | curt | !nvidia-glx |
| 03:13.01 | peterS | abrotman: they could have, but they're like Troll Tech, they were hoping to actually make money from this |
| 03:13.18 | peterS | apparently it is working, though I have no idea how well they are doing |
| 03:13.21 | RemyHome | liable, can I set it up so that it asks me on boot which one I want to load ? |
| 03:13.27 | abrotman | peterS: ever wonder where trolltech .. gets .. any money :) |
| 03:13.32 | lilohatea | curt, there is only A MILLION sites giving a step-by-step on nVidia. c'mon, take your fate in your own hands... |
| 03:13.37 | liable | RemyHome: yes install kdm/gdm |
| 03:13.40 | abrotman | peterS: they seem to be doing fairly well .. |
| 03:13.52 | peterS | abrotman: well, qt for windows isn't open source. anyone who wants to port their qt app to windows gets to pay |
| 03:13.57 | RemyHome | I'm pretty sure I have both installed allready. |
| 03:14.03 | RemyHome | not sure how to select which one to run though |
| 03:14.07 | abrotman | peterS: yeah ... not a pretty licensing scheme either |
| 03:14.13 | Guerin | !dr kdm |
| 03:14.17 | Guerin | bah |
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| 03:14.31 | liable | RemyHome: when you next reboot, one will start,depends whats default |
| 03:14.32 | curt | abrotman: i think the nvidia-glx and associated kernal and stuff is what he need |
| 03:14.40 | Guerin | !dr $1 is <reply> dpkg-reconfigure $1 |
| 03:14.41 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 03:14.42 | abrotman | curt: not for riva cards |
| 03:14.46 | Guerin | !dr kdm |
| 03:14.46 | dpkg | dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 03:14.48 | curt | how does he configure to get from testing and non-free |
| 03:14.54 | curt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.56 | RemyHome | k |
| 03:14.59 | RemyHome | how do I swap them ? |
| 03:15.02 | peterS | abrotman: what with Gtk being LGPL and supporting Windows as LGPL, I have to think corporations that want to write closed GUI software would just say "screw qt" anyway. but I dunno. |
| 03:15.11 | curt | it is listed in the nvidia-glx as supported |
| 03:15.16 | peterS | abrotman: but Qt supported Windows *years* before Gtk did |
| 03:15.20 | RemyHome | Next, edit the .xinitrc file in your home directory. Look for the line that calls your window manager and replace it with startkde. |
| 03:15.21 | abrotman | peterS: or use wx .. though i'm not sure the license of wx |
| 03:15.25 | RemyHome | Is that what needs to be changed? |
| 03:15.34 | sorush20 | I have the debian package how do I install it.. |
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| 03:15.44 | abrotman | peterS: but yes .. i think any company that writes using Qt is crazy .. but i was never a KDE fan ... |
| 03:15.54 | Guerin | RemyHome: that's an option, but you can choose that with either kdm or gdm, you needn't edit that file |
| 03:16.02 | cddesjar | sorush20: do to th ubuntu channel this is the debian one |
| 03:16.04 | sorush20 | and do I have to make sure that I remove all other versions already installed.. by mistake and incompeletely... |
| 03:16.05 | curt | the readme me from here /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx says it is anyway |
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| 03:16.12 | cddesjar | !ubuntu |
| 03:16.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
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| 03:16.23 | sorush20 | sorry.. I thougt it was ubuntu... |
| 03:16.29 | peterS | abrotman: well, qt is very C++. if you are comfortable with everything C++, it's a comfortable choice. Gtk is so much more language-agnostic, thus doesn't take advantage of all possible C++ features |
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| 03:16.36 | abrotman | peterS: and pgsql has a nice bsdl that lets you do whatever .. good for companies i guess |
| 03:16.47 | cddesjar | it's called debian |
| 03:16.54 | abrotman | peterS: right .. but gtk-- is C++ enough |
| 03:16.56 | curt | i guess if it would work, i am so new to this (3days linux) need a little moer help than some |
| 03:16.59 | peterS | abrotman: indeed, the postgres license is friendly to everyone |
| 03:17.22 | abrotman | curt: the nv driver should work fine for riva |
| 03:17.23 | peterS | abrotman: yeah - but I don't know how satisfying gtk-- is. I'm not a C++ programmer myself (when I can avoid it, that is) so I haven't looked at it |
| 03:17.47 | abrotman | peterS: i used to be one :) |
| 03:18.21 | abrotman | i used to do a lot of coding |
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| 03:18.49 | maher | abrotman: in c++? i'm sorry... :) |
| 03:19.16 | abrotman | maher: hey .. at Uni i had classes in x86 and SPARC asm .. cobol and rpg .. among the other normal stuff i had |
| 03:19.59 | abrotman | C++ isn't that bad .. i just think it gets overused . places where C would be a better match |
| 03:20.05 | maher | abrotman: i was jus' pulling your chain... |
| 03:20.11 | mfrisch | anybody know how to setup crypttab? |
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| 03:20.32 | abrotman | i spent a whoel summer doing graphics crap in ASM . i was so strange back then :) |
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| 03:20.37 | peterS | abrotman: ha! |
| 03:21.12 | peterS | abrotman: only graphics in asm I've ever polluted my mind with were some extremely simple things in 6502 for the Apple II |
| 03:21.12 | abrotman | better than cobol for a summer i guess |
| 03:21.19 | Francis | problemas no envio de email com o mozilla thunderbird, alguém saberia ajudar? Eu uso conexão por proxy, à rádio. Valeu!!!!! |
| 03:21.22 | peterS | but then, the Apple II graphics system is totally on crack |
| 03:21.31 | abrotman | peterS: nah .. this was x86 asm .. fun .. but long .. |
| 03:21.37 | curt | i going go there tomorrow and see if i can fix it firsthand :) thanks for your help abrotman |
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| 03:21.40 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:21.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:21.50 | curt | asprin time... |
| 03:21.58 | Francis | ok dpkg |
| 03:21.58 | abrotman | curt: i'm really pretty sure it's nv driver .. i don't think there's a seperate riva driver |
| 03:22.09 | abrotman | curt: moment while i double check |
| 03:22.16 | Francis | dpkg, not is spanish, but portuguease |
| 03:22.16 | dpkg | okay, Francis |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | dpkg: forget not |
| 03:22.25 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot not |
| 03:22.27 | abrotman | !pt |
| 03:22.27 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | !kill comcast dns |
| 03:22.40 | Francis | hehehehe, ok dpkg |
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| 03:22.45 | Francis | very good |
| 03:22.50 | Francis | your portuguease |
| 03:22.53 | banedon | can knoppix be instaaled on the disk? |
| 03:22.59 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 03:22.59 | rebel__ | yes |
| 03:23.01 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 03:23.02 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 03:23.05 | rebel__ | but knoppix sucks |
| 03:23.06 | Guerin | !htfswk banedon |
| 03:23.07 | dpkg | banedon: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 03:23.07 | banedon | can u copy offa windows drive using knop? |
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| 03:23.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:23.19 | Guerin | banedon: man cp |
| 03:23.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:23.28 | banedon | hmm |
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| 03:24.30 | kadigibox | my favorite trigger is !lol |
| 03:24.39 | abrotman | i like !topicfsck |
| 03:24.47 | kadigibox | !topicfsck |
| 03:24.54 | abrotman | !topicfsck kadigibox |
| 03:25.12 | kadigibox | LOL! |
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| 03:25.25 | abrotman | and !moronspeak is good .. as is !sidiot |
| 03:25.57 | kadigibox | isnt there a !google too? |
| 03:26.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:26.14 | abrotman | is xfree86.org gone for everyone ? |
| 03:26.17 | kadigibox | that tought me many lessons heh |
| 03:26.23 | _taec_ | !moronspeak |
| 03:26.23 | dpkg | FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see http://www.hohto.to/forums/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=17720. Adding -ies, -rama or any other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up. |
| 03:26.43 | dondelelcaro | folks, you can /msg the bot. Please do so or it will ignore you in the future. |
| 03:27.23 | abrotman | bah .. where the hell did xfree86.org go ... |
| 03:28.16 | peterS | abrotman: I assume david dawes' continuing mindset of reality distortion eventually affected the web site, which broke off and drifted into an alternate reality |
| 03:28.26 | lilohatea | it caught the ms disease |
| 03:28.54 | kadigibox | Where are deb packages stored when cached? |
| 03:29.02 | peterS | kadigibox: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 03:29.03 | abrotman | peterS: it's hard to say when you're on comcast's network :) |
| 03:29.12 | peterS | abrotman: ah, heh |
| 03:29.17 | stew | abrotman: its there for me |
| 03:29.17 | kadigibox | thanks peterS |
| 03:29.25 | abrotman | stew: are you on comcast ? |
| 03:29.36 | stew | no i'm on some other crap cable this week |
| 03:30.19 | stew | mindspring |
| 03:30.39 | stew | this condo i'm staying at has voip, it seems to be pretty much shit |
| 03:30.44 | mfrisch | my isp sucks |
| 03:30.56 | lilohatea | hahahahahahaha |
| 03:30.59 | stew | its great on our end, but whomever we are talking to says our voice cuts out a lot |
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| 03:31.33 | kadigibox | Its wrong to Delete the cache right? or can I actualy delete the cache without some sort of special command |
| 03:31.39 | peterS | enveezee: my, what lovely vowels you have |
| 03:31.43 | peterS | enveezee: taking a cue from SimonRaven? |
| 03:31.46 | stew | kadigibox: apt-get clean |
| 03:31.47 | mfrisch | stew voip how asterisk? |
| 03:31.48 | enveezee | vowels? |
| 03:31.53 | enveezee | peterS: what do you mean? |
| 03:32.00 | peterS | enveezee: he added some vowels to his nick too |
| 03:32.04 | abrotman | like mississippi |
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| 03:32.08 | stew | mfrisch: no, i dunno some linksys box in the closet, this is not my place |
| 03:32.13 | enveezee | peterS: this is my alternate_nick |
| 03:32.20 | peterS | enveezee: well, ok |
| 03:32.31 | peterS | enveezee: when you go overseas do you become enveezed? |
| 03:32.43 | enveezee | peterS: I let my little brother into the router and he somehow fucked things up again.. I keep loosing my connection |
| 03:32.44 | maher | stew: my voip works just fine |
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| 03:32.45 | mfrisch | stew I tweeked my configs and got rid of the delay. |
| 03:32.54 | enveezee | peterS: I just had to reset the router and setup a new password |
| 03:33.01 | peterS | right.. |
| 03:33.07 | enveezee | peterS: he keeps getting his damn pc owned |
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| 03:33.22 | enveezee | peterS: stealing adobe photoshop and shit for windows most likely |
| 03:33.27 | stew | out of curiosity how much upstream bandwidth do you two have? |
| 03:33.31 | peterS | enveezee: that's where the efficient solution is to disconnect him from the internet |
| 03:33.39 | abrotman | stew: i have .. 256 .. maybe more |
| 03:33.40 | kadigibox | is there a package that I can use to make a CD as a apt-get able install CD |
| 03:33.43 | enveezee | peterS: I dont know why the boy cant just use free software if he cant afford it |
| 03:33.44 | mfrisch | maher do you use FWD? ? Have you heard of VON? |
| 03:33.45 | abrotman | stew: do you want me to really check ? |
| 03:33.48 | RemyHome | the touchpad seems not to be working propely still |
| 03:33.51 | enveezee | peterS: he's gone.. along with everyone else |
| 03:33.51 | stew | this place here seems to get about 300kbits, but it still cuts out |
| 03:33.56 | stew | abrotman: do you use voip? |
| 03:33.59 | RemyHome | how do i re-start with just the command line again ? |
| 03:34.01 | enveezee | peterS: I am all alone on the network, the mac list is blank |
| 03:34.02 | kadigibox | I was thinking about apt-zip |
| 03:34.05 | RemyHome | rather than the gnome loader ? |
| 03:34.07 | kadigibox | but wasnt sure |
| 03:34.14 | peterS | enveezee: don't worry dude, you have us |
| 03:34.16 | liable | RemyHome: startx |
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| 03:34.29 | abrotman | stew: nope |
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| 03:34.32 | enveezee | peterS: I do now.. that I can actually maintain my fucking connection ;) |
| 03:34.33 | RemyHome | will that get me just the command line ? |
| 03:34.34 | maher | stew: about 3000/300Kbs |
| 03:34.36 | abrotman | stew: i'm a loser |
| 03:34.50 | liable | RemyHome: oh, you want to stop x? |
| 03:34.52 | maher | mfrisch: i just use packet8 |
| 03:34.55 | stew | maher: yeah thats the same as here, i'll just chalk it up to crappy service/hardware |
| 03:34.56 | RemyHome | yes liable |
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| 03:35.15 | maher | stew: which provider? |
| 03:35.18 | liable | RemyHome: /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or kdm if using that) |
| 03:35.26 | RemyHome | k |
| 03:35.27 | stew | maher: no clue, dunno how i would even figure that out |
| 03:35.32 | RemyHome | from a terminal window? |
| 03:35.41 | liable | RemyHome: yes, as root |
| 03:35.46 | RemyHome | cool |
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| 03:35.55 | mfrisch | maher cool. You should check out voipjet.com's rates |
| 03:35.56 | WiFiTux | I'm trying to use evolution over mozila -mailnews, anyone knows if there is a way for it to save all the email and addresses in the address book automatically? |
| 03:36.14 | WiFiTux | It won't autocomplete the email addresses. |
| 03:36.15 | abrotman | WiFiTux: say what ? |
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| 03:36.51 | maher | mfrisch: heh - i just looked at their faq - I'm about to move to canada... |
| 03:36.57 | abrotman | WiFiTux: you broke it .. mine autocompletes |
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| 03:37.09 | WiFiTux | abrotman: Seriously? Evolution? |
| 03:37.15 | abrotman | WiFiTux: yes |
| 03:37.20 | ohad_ | hi, what is the problem with the pkg kdeedu-data? i can't download it using apt-get on debian |
| 03:37.21 | abrotman | for all three contacts i have in there |
| 03:37.39 | ohad_ | is there a way to skip a pkg ? |
| 03:37.54 | WiFiTux | abrotman: lol, mozilla adds the people I send email to. I.E. it will save the mailing lists addresses too. |
| 03:37.56 | mfrisch | maher except no did...but I call Norway for 1.6 cents |
| 03:37.57 | theboneman | hey |
| 03:38.01 | stew | ohad_: what version fo debian? |
| 03:38.05 | theboneman | does anyone know how to apt-get aclocal? |
| 03:38.09 | ohad_ | stew: 2.6.11 |
| 03:38.14 | ohad_ | stew: sarge |
| 03:38.28 | abrotman | wow .. children of the corn II is sooooo much worse than the first |
| 03:38.28 | WiFiTux | abrotman: you had to add every single contact? too much work! |
| 03:38.33 | RemyHome | liable: It sayd I can't stop gnome since gnome is running... |
| 03:38.36 | abrotman | WiFiTux: no .. you don't have to iirc |
| 03:38.36 | RemyHome | *says |
| 03:38.45 | WiFiTux | abrotman: let me look |
| 03:38.55 | theboneman | does anybody know? |
| 03:39.09 | stew | ohad_: doesn't seem like you should have a problem, have you tried a different mirror? |
| 03:39.13 | stew | ohad_: what exact error do you get? |
| 03:39.26 | theboneman | does anyone know how to apt-get aclocal? |
| 03:39.29 | lilohatea | i never checked out 2, abrotman. you just sold me on it... |
| 03:39.39 | abrotman | lilohatea: on what ? |
| 03:39.47 | theboneman | does anyone know how to apt-get aclocal? |
| 03:39.50 | abrotman | WiFiTux: you might have way more luck asking on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | which aclocal ? |
| 03:40.23 | lilohatea | children of the corn 2 |
| 03:40.23 | theboneman | ./bootstrap: line 81: aclocal: command not found |
| 03:40.32 | stew | theboneman: you want one of the automake packages, /msg dpkg search |
| 03:40.34 | abrotman | lilohatea: it's freaking horrible |
| 03:40.39 | lilohatea | hahahahaha |
| 03:40.45 | maher | theboneman: try installing build-essential |
| 03:40.46 | WiFiTux | abrotman: I think I found the option... |
| 03:40.47 | abrotman | lilohatea: do you like bad movies ? |
| 03:40.52 | theboneman | ./bootstrap: line 83: autoheader: command not found |
| 03:41.02 | lilohatea | only when bad is good |
| 03:41.14 | abrotman | lilohatea: let me show you the worst movie i have EVER seen |
| 03:41.19 | lilohatea | hahahahahaha |
| 03:41.27 | abrotman | lilohatea: http://imdb.com/title/tt0087130/ |
| 03:41.31 | theboneman | maher, i already have build-essential |
| 03:41.33 | stew | theboneman: /msg dpkg search ; you could be figuring out what packages these are in with apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 03:41.51 | ohad_ | stew: dpkg : error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeedu-data_4%3a3.3.2-3-all.deb |
| 03:41.55 | liable | RemyHome: really? |
| 03:42.03 | RemyHome | liable |
| 03:42.04 | RemyHome | yes |
| 03:42.06 | stew | ohad_: thats not trouble downloading thats trouble installing |
| 03:42.16 | RemyHome | that's because it loads into a gnoma login screen |
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| 03:42.22 | RemyHome | how do I avoid that ? |
| 03:42.23 | lilohatea | oh, sh**, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH |
| 03:42.31 | abrotman | lilohatea: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000059PP5/qid=1122694920/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-0734528-6860006?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846 ... the reviews there .. priceless |
| 03:42.38 | theboneman | ... |
| 03:42.44 | ohad_ | stew: ok. ideas how to resolve this? |
| 03:42.57 | liable | RemyHome: run ps aux, find gnome stuff and killall -6 foo |
| 03:43.07 | ohad_ | stew: can i skip this pkg? and move on? |
| 03:43.14 | stew | ohad_: you need to figure out what the error is, does it give any more information other than "error processing"? |
| 03:43.20 | liable | RemyHome: if you dont want to have a graphical login, remove gdm/kdm |
| 03:43.26 | stew | ohad_: apt-get -f install <enter> maybe? |
| 03:43.42 | RemyHome | liable how do I remove them ? |
| 03:43.56 | liable | RemyHome: apt-get remove |
| 03:44.12 | RemyHome | lol k |
| 03:44.14 | RemyHome | :-P |
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| 03:44.23 | lilohatea | http://www.allmoviephoto.com/c/2002_Enough_JenniferLopez.html |
| 03:44.29 | liable | RemyHome: read the faq thats in /topic |
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| 03:44.34 | ohad_ | stew: tried it already. gives the same error - sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 03:44.37 | WiFiTux | abrotman: yyayy! Preferences, Compose Settings, Automatic Address Book on replys. :) |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | lilohatea: i completely agree with the amazon reviewer jacknackel |
| 03:44.57 | lilohatea | HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:45.00 | abrotman | "For many years, when I was asked what the worst movie of all time was, I would answer DefCon4. Without hesitation or a second lost trying to decide. DefCon4 was the easy answer." |
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| 03:45.30 | abrotman | lilohatea: and hte review after that .. pretty much spot on .. great gag gift :) |
| 03:45.53 | dscvlt | when i try to install debian on my laptop, there's only a small square in the centre of the screen that's viewable, and the bottom of the menus are cut off |
| 03:45.54 | lilohatea | ***king great. great minds think alike. |
| 03:46.13 | abrotman | lilohatea: you gonna buy it ? |
| 03:46.20 | ohad_ | stew: ideas? |
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| 03:47.01 | WiFiTux | abrotman: but now, if I reply, it always go to the top of message... evolution is kind of nice... |
| 03:47.16 | stew | ohad_: dunno, you need to figure out what the actual error its having with the package |
| 03:47.17 | abrotman | WiFiTux: it actually is kind of nice .. a little bloated .. but oh well |
| 03:47.18 | kadigibox | Damn. I didnt know you can fill 20gb hd with installing packages. I didnt even know that could be done on dialup. but my friend seems to have done that |
| 03:47.21 | lilohatea | can't think of anything that would get me **** enough, lol. |
| 03:47.29 | abrotman | kadigibox: apt-get clean |
| 03:48.07 | WiFiTux | abrotman: yeah, it does things. Is ok... Is a nice switch from mozilla... |
| 03:48.12 | stew | ohad_: maybe you could just apt-get remove it? |
| 03:48.15 | abrotman | WiFiTux: you didn't like thunderbird ? |
| 03:48.33 | liable | ohad_: or put it on hold |
| 03:48.36 | kadigibox | I asked him to "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/" and there are no packages in there |
| 03:48.49 | abrotman | kadigibox: clean out the log dir ? |
| 03:49.00 | kadigibox | log dir? |
| 03:49.05 | theboneman | hey |
| 03:49.08 | dscvlt | how can i fix the installer cutting off half of the screen? |
| 03:49.10 | theboneman | where is xinitrc located? |
| 03:49.13 | abrotman | you know ... /var/log/*.gz |
| 03:49.18 | WiFiTux | abrotman: in Windows it sucks. Never tried it in Linux. Is it better? (your opinion) I use Netscape email at Cisco |
| 03:49.21 | peterS | theboneman: /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 03:49.27 | theboneman | thanks |
| 03:49.29 | abrotman | WiFiTux: it's not bad .. |
| 03:49.34 | ohad_ | liable: how do i put it on hold? how can i put a pkg on hold ? |
| 03:49.42 | liable | dscvlt: you may get help in #debian-boot |
| 03:49.48 | WiFiTux | abrotman: I saw some screenie but didn't know if it was nicer... |
| 03:50.06 | theboneman | peterS, and just ln -s xinit.fluxbox xinitrc? |
| 03:50.22 | peterS | theboneman: oh, for personal mods, ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession, whichever one you have |
| 03:50.24 | liable | ohad_: read apt-howto, man apt-get |
| 03:50.30 | theboneman | k |
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| 03:50.56 | kadigibox | and you clean that by deleteing or is there a command for that too? |
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| 03:51.33 | landslide | what do i need to do to move my existing boot partition to a new larger drive? |
| 03:51.39 | abrotman | kadigibox: are there any? |
| 03:51.41 | lilohatea | gtg |
| 03:51.52 | landslide | which files must i copy? |
| 03:52.01 | kadigibox | there are on mine but checking with my friends comp |
| 03:52.02 | landslide | i want to replace the existing 4gb drive with a 40gb drive. |
| 03:54.42 | liable | landslide: /msg dpkg hard drive upgrade |
| 03:54.54 | kadigibox | there are 20 *.gz files in /var/log/ |
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| 03:55.19 | landslide | liable; thank you! |
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| 03:57.50 | mick_home | anyone know this: how long is this gcc4 issue going to linger? i saw an insain jump in bugs in the beginning of the month... so far the bugs seem to be getting more... instead of less |
| 03:58.05 | peterS | mick_home: so don't run unstable. it'll be awhile. |
| 03:58.08 | mick_home | thats just from what i've observed |
| 03:58.15 | mick_home | ok |
| 03:58.19 | mick_home | will do |
| 03:58.23 | mfrisch | mick_home unstable is called that for a reason |
| 03:58.30 | mick_home | ;) |
| 03:58.43 | peterS | they should drag out the gcc4 transition awhile just to remind people not to run unstable |
| 03:58.55 | mick_home | heh |
| 03:58.59 | Guerin | peterS: i thought they were |
| 03:59.04 | peterS | Guerin: oh, maybe |
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| 04:00.26 | mwilson | peterS: It wouldn't help. |
| 04:01.06 | DoppelGanger | stupid is as stupid does Forrest Gump |
| 04:01.47 | kadigibox | If anyone is familior with wmaker I need help adding icons to the bar on the side without having to drag icons from the running programs list to there. |
| 04:01.48 | liable | Guerin: ftp-master was moved, so there hasnt been anything to upgrade anyway :) |
| 04:02.22 | mwilson | kadigibox: Uh, that IS how you add icons to "the bar on the side" (aka the dock and the clip) |
| 04:02.44 | kadigibox | is there any other way? |
| 04:02.45 | peterS | whoa, php5 in sid. who'd have ever thunk |
| 04:02.50 | abrotman | finally ? |
| 04:02.53 | kadigibox | like create a box and put the info in it? |
| 04:03.01 | mwilson | kadigibox: "create a box"? |
| 04:03.06 | peterS | abrotman: so it appears. I first heard infinity promise to put it in ... hmmm, 9 months ago? |
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| 04:03.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:03.22 | peterS | abrotman: not that *I* intend to install it. just a general interest thing |
| 04:03.32 | stew | i for the first time last week actually wanted to use afunction that was only available in php5 |
| 04:03.43 | camilo | hi u all |
| 04:03.44 | peterS | stew: that implies that you are using php. you poor bastard |
| 04:03.54 | camilo | can some one help me.... |
| 04:03.54 | stew | yeah |
| 04:03.56 | kadigibox | well stuff like dragging firefox in there I have to modify it anyway in order for it to work. is there a way to just create a blank dock and clip box and put the link and icon location in it |
| 04:04.03 | abrotman | !tell camilo about u |
| 04:04.04 | camilo | i distroid /home |
| 04:04.24 | stew | peterS: the customer is always right and all that nonsense |
| 04:04.31 | mwilson | kadigibox: You're looking for a harder way to do it? |
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| 04:04.39 | kadigibox | I mean a blank one that I can just set the docked application settings manualy |
| 04:04.50 | peterS | stew: yeah yeah. I've whored myself out for a bit of php myself, in the past |
| 04:04.52 | kadigibox | no there are just some programs the dock and clip wont let me drag over |
| 04:04.57 | mwilson | Meaning you want a harder way to do it. |
| 04:05.01 | stew | bedtime for stew, i have an early flight tomorrow |
| 04:05.34 | kadigibox | not to mention some programs after dragging it over it doesnt work and I have to modify where it points to ie firefox |
| 04:06.14 | DoppelGanger | oh no |
| 04:06.18 | DoppelGanger | the world is going to end |
| 04:06.47 | kadigibox | so there is no other way other then drag and drop? |
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| 04:21.33 | welson | the "the" package is such a strange but funny looking editor, anyone uses it? |
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| 04:22.19 | peterS | welson: maybe it's french and is intended to compete with java |
| 04:22.31 | peterS | welson: (thé == tea) |
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| 04:24.20 | welson | from its apt show i get - similar to the VM/CMS System Product Editor, XEDIT and to KEDIT |
| 04:24.21 | welson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.56 | welson | it has many commands i've never seen such an editor like this..looks like 'the' is more than its name-- pretty cool.. |
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| 04:29.16 | welson | bob2, that tea is killing me.. never heard of it-- is it real? |
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| 04:31.02 | Guerin | mmm, tea |
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| 04:32.07 | welson | bob2, http://teatrove.sourceforge.net/ -- is this the spice melange? |
| 04:33.04 | deadcat | i am using xfree right now, dist-upgrade wants to remove x-window-system-core. is that normal? |
| 04:33.09 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: why'd debhelper ban *!blootbot@*? |
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| 04:33.28 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: because unconfigured blootbots are bad |
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| 04:33.55 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: did I miss something during the split? |
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| 04:34.12 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: nah, that's just a permanent ban |
| 04:34.18 | xsdg | aah |
| 04:34.44 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: it probably didn't show up when debhelper joined or something, so it added it again |
| 04:34.54 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
| 04:35.01 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: debhelper is nice |
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| 04:35.52 | deadcat | i am using xfree right now, dist-upgrade wants to remove x-window-system-core. is it because the current x-window-system-core requires xorg? |
| 04:36.48 | Guerin | deadcat: you tell us |
| 04:36.57 | Guerin | deadcat: look at the depends |
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| 04:38.09 | deadcat | Guerin: you the man. xserver-xorg libglu1-xorg but since i am in xfree. por que?!!!! |
| 04:38.29 | deadcat | mwilson: thats some bug fix there? |
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| 04:38.43 | mwilson | deadcat: Not that I'm aware of. |
| 04:38.51 | Guerin | deadcat: xorg is replacing xfree |
| 04:38.57 | deadcat | mwilson: gravity knows why xorg would hang my machine when i reboot/shutdown. so i guess i need -5 as well. |
| 04:39.13 | mwilson | deadcat: I made a determination that the earliest I would consider messing with Debian's xorg packages was -5 |
| 04:39.30 | deadcat | mwilson: ah. smart move.. |
| 04:39.37 | mwilson | deadcat: Depending on how bad the changelog on them looks, maybe it'll be -6 |
| 04:39.41 | deadcat | mwilson: five patches should be ready hehe |
| 04:39.45 | mwilson | deadcat: I'm certainly in no hurry. |
| 04:39.49 | Guerin | mwilson: iirc it started at -3 |
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| 04:39.59 | kadigibox | Question: Your multimillion-pound military computer refuses to work without the ashes of its dead creator. The cause is: a) Ghosts b) Hackers or c) Your computer has become self-aware? |
| 04:40.18 | kadigibox | :) |
| 04:40.20 | billatq | kadigibox: d) Windows? |
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| 04:40.53 | kadigibox | its funny the responces I gotten for that |
| 04:41.00 | deadcat | i think i cant compile shit with gcc4 (= |
| 04:41.11 | billatq | deadcat: And you consider that a *good* thing? |
| 04:41.18 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: the stuff you're trying to compile is literally shit, then. |
| 04:41.30 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: 2.6.12 (= |
| 04:42.11 | tvn | is there an alternative bot in here ? dpkg is gone |
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| 04:42.19 | deadcat | tvn: apt |
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| 04:42.29 | tvn | right .. thanks |
| 04:42.44 | mwilson | deadcat: Uh, where did you get the idea that the kernel was buildable with gcc 4.x? The recommended compiler is still 2.95 |
| 04:42.45 | tvn | he won't talk to me |
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| 04:43.18 | WiFiTux | how can I update the packages installed in the fluxbox menu? |
| 04:43.20 | deadcat | mwilson: gcc3.3 works fine for me. 4 fails with the same .config |
| 04:43.28 | deadcat | WiFiTux: update-menus |
| 04:43.41 | mwilson | deadcat: Well, then? |
| 04:43.41 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yes, that's because the kernel doesn't use particularly brilliant C. |
| 04:43.49 | k8to | kadigibox: i would say, if i had a hand in programming it, bugs |
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| 04:44.13 | deadcat | mwilson: stop confusing me with a question when i ask one.... |
| 04:44.13 | dondelelcaro | (and gcc-4 is now rigidly compliant, much more so than it has ever been) |
| 04:44.16 | WiFiTux | deadcat: nop. Apps/Net/ is the same. |
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| 04:44.23 | Mafia_Boy | wtf |
| 04:44.24 | Mafia_Boy | here |
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| 04:44.25 | Mafia_Boy | ... |
| 04:44.41 | Mafia_Boy | <PRI[ll> http:// go0gler.com/freenodeddosed.gif |
| 04:44.42 | Mafia_Boy | ? |
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| 04:45.20 | WiFiTux | deadcat: ? |
| 04:45.27 | mwilson | deadcat: I'm not messing with you, I'm asking you a real question. The kernel is not billed as being buildable with 4.x, so why are you surprised that it doesn't? Having multiple compilers installed is completely trivial. |
| 04:45.35 | kadigibox | k8to, if bugs then how does it know if the ashes are around? |
| 04:45.36 | mwilson | deadcat: Just use 3.x. |
| 04:45.42 | liable | I've managed to compile a couple with it. |
| 04:45.56 | k8to | kadigibox: i'm good at bugs |
| 04:46.01 | kadigibox | LOL |
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| 04:47.24 | Nurbs_ | deadcat: you could still file bug reports (to LKML?) after checking changes up to 2.6.13-rc3 |
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| 04:47.54 | Nurbs | rc4... |
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| 04:48.05 | mwilson | Hm, new wmaker |
| 04:48.09 | WiFiTux | deadcat: nop, didn't do it. |
| 04:48.19 | deadcat | i am just gonna update-alternative on gcc i guess. |
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| 04:48.35 | deadcat | WiFiTux: usually it does the trick. restart the windowmanager then |
| 04:48.40 | Guerin | deadcat: good luck with that |
| 04:48.41 | k8to | foolish question: what's going on with the indexes / incoming package queue? |
| 04:48.44 | Nurbs | deadcat: CC=gcc-3.4 make (or similar) |
| 04:48.48 | WiFiTux | deadcat: yep, no luck |
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| 04:48.58 | deadcat | mwilson: wmaker's (alt+tab) is nice. too bad ob3 dont have that |
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| 04:49.14 | mwilson | deadcat: Which is going to do nothing, as gcc isn't part of the alternatives system. |
| 04:49.29 | mwilson | deadcat: What does wmaker do that openbox does not? |
| 04:49.29 | deadcat | Nurbs: ya. tried CFLAG="CC=gcc-3.3" make-kpkg |
| 04:49.53 | Nurbs | which is wrong? :) |
| 04:50.06 | deadcat | mwilson: the nice tab list when you alt+tab. its new to wmaker since last i used it didnt have. |
| 04:50.16 | Nurbs | MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" make-kpkg |
| 04:50.26 | deadcat | Nurbs: no. man make-kpkg thats the one i used. |
| 04:50.31 | Nurbs | heh |
| 04:50.46 | ouch | where do i find the hostap_config.h file? /driver/modules does not exist |
| 04:50.58 | Guerin | you can just export CC=gcc-3.3 |
| 04:51.06 | deadcat | ouch: apt-get install hostap-source |
| 04:51.20 | ouch | i already installed that... |
| 04:51.27 | k8to | CFLAGS is of course what gos after CC |
| 04:51.30 | k8to | goes |
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| 04:51.31 | deadcat | eventually i would like to compile with gcc4. |
| 04:51.42 | peterS | Guerin: does make-kpkg pass that into the kernel build? the normal kernel makefile ignores the CC environment variable, you have to pass CC= on the command line explicitly |
| 04:52.03 | k8to | make :( |
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| 04:52.22 | deadcat | Nurbs: maybe CC didnt work because i have make-kpkg in a function. |
| 04:52.24 | Nurbs | deadcat: then you'll probably need a newer kernel (and possibly tell someone about fixing it or create patches yourself)... it builds fine for my .config here |
| 04:52.30 | Guerin | peterS: I've defined CC=distcc and it's worked with make-kpkg, so i expect it does |
| 04:52.36 | ouch | hostap-source is already the newest version |
| 04:52.37 | peterS | Guerin: good to know |
| 04:52.50 | WiFiTux | deadcat: I have to run FluxMenu to add them manually |
| 04:52.54 | deadcat | ouch: then check /usr/src/modules/ |
| 04:53.01 | ouch | k |
| 04:53.05 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ah. |
| 04:54.07 | ouch | deadcat: nope...there is no modules directory in /usr/src |
| 04:54.09 | dondelelcaro | you want MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" or whatever typically. |
| 04:54.25 | deadcat | ouch: untar hostap-source then |
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| 04:54.39 | dondelelcaro | when in doubt, read the Makefile. |
| 04:54.40 | ouch | k |
| 04:54.54 | deadcat | !seen gravity |
| 04:54.55 | dpkg | gravity <~david@pool-151-199-27-233.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 23h 59m 41s ago, saying: 'The ati driver guys are really cool. They do a lot of non-proprietary work too.'. |
| 04:55.02 | deadcat | dammit |
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| 04:59.58 | ouch | that was it...thanks deadcat |
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| 05:03.38 | drcode | hi all |
| 05:03.49 | drcode | any one can help me with mesa and fglx? |
| 05:03.54 | drcode | do I need both? |
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| 05:04.12 | deadcat | !tell drcode about ati |
| 05:04.27 | ouch | one more...now i have /usr/src/modules/ but there is only one file in it...hostap-source how can i install it from there? |
| 05:04.31 | drcode | I run vmware |
| 05:04.36 | ice_1963 | i need help on my printer |
| 05:04.39 | drcode | I Mean deb inside vmware? |
| 05:04.43 | drcode | I Can use mesa? |
| 05:04.43 | deadcat | drcode: you on your own |
| 05:04.56 | deadcat | !tell ice_1963 about ask |
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| 05:06.06 | ouch | deadcat: one more...now i have /usr/src/modules/ but there is only one file in it...hostap-source how can i install it from there? |
| 05:06.19 | deadcat | ouch: man m-a |
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| 05:06.33 | ouch | k, thx |
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| 05:06.49 | chacho | whenever i try to use gksu -u root to run anything, i get a segfault |
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| 05:06.54 | chacho | what can i do about this? |
| 05:07.02 | chacho | it seems to have started after i changed my user password |
| 05:07.25 | deadcat | chacho: try sudo |
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| 05:08.04 | ice_1963 | i have a hp printer photosmart7350 need a driver for it and how to install it ?????/ |
| 05:08.10 | chacho | deadcat, sudo works fine but im trying to keep the graphical functionality |
| 05:08.14 | chacho | for the password entry |
| 05:08.18 | deadcat | ice_1963: google the model yet? |
| 05:08.46 | chacho | i just reinstalled gksu, im going to relog and see if anything is different |
| 05:08.54 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 05:11.30 | chacho | didnt help |
| 05:11.34 | chacho | alright, heres what happens |
| 05:11.53 | chacho | i try to run synaptic from the menu, a box comes up and says gksu wants the password for the default keyring |
| 05:12.11 | chacho | i put in my new user password, nothing, put in my old user password that worked fine for keyring before i changed my password |
| 05:12.21 | chacho | it acts like it accepts it, then segfault |
| 05:12.25 | chacho | is there a way i can reconfigure the keyring? |
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| 05:15.01 | ouch | deadcat: okay, now in m-a i can see that hostap-source is installed...the hostap_config.h still does not exist |
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| 05:15.25 | deadcat | ouch: i dont know |
| 05:15.49 | ouch | okay...well thanx for your help |
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| 05:16.29 | chacho | ok well ive got another question actually |
| 05:16.44 | ouch | hey, would i be totally stupid to try to update my firmware without editing that file? |
| 05:16.45 | chacho | i have a printer installed, its a USB printer, an epson stylus C64 |
| 05:16.52 | chacho | and it prints a text page fine |
| 05:16.55 | chacho | and from abiword fine |
| 05:17.03 | chacho | but if i try to print from firefox, nothing happens |
| 05:17.07 | chacho | i mean a test page |
| 05:17.10 | chacho | not text |
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| 05:20.44 | gruhwert | Is there anyone who could help me get nvidia drivers installed on my machine? |
| 05:21.07 | deadcat | !tell gruhwert about nvidia one-liner |
| 05:21.20 | tvn | nvidia drivers makes my system froze |
| 05:21.28 | deadcat | tvn: system or x? |
| 05:21.36 | chacho | ok well i found out my firefox is using lpr as the print command |
| 05:21.39 | chacho | should it be using that? |
| 05:21.50 | chacho | i dont think so, but i cant figure out what print command abiword is using |
| 05:21.54 | tvn | I don't remember ... may be X ..... |
| 05:22.00 | k8to | hi, the apt indexes aren't updating for me. are the relevant services still down? |
| 05:22.17 | deadcat | k8to: try new mirror |
| 05:22.27 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: is it ever more strictly compliant. wow. tends to build a bit better on ppc though. not sure why. more often i'll have better builds with ppc than with x86. today was a packaging error, plus my local repo going weird. *sigh* oh well - more work ;) |
| 05:22.48 | gruhwert | apt won't let me get nvidia-glx and several other packages |
| 05:22.52 | k8to | deadcat: you mean change to a new mirror or there is a specific new mirror or? I'm not familiar with what you're speaking about |
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| 05:23.06 | deadcat | gruhwert: then hold on for few days |
| 05:23.20 | chacho | gruhwert, you running amd64? |
| 05:23.22 | deadcat | k8to: change and use a diff mirror. |
| 05:23.25 | k8to | in genearl I am using http.us.debian.org |
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| 05:23.28 | k8to | okay |
| 05:23.30 | gruhwert | no |
| 05:23.35 | chacho | k |
| 05:23.38 | gruhwert | I'm running 2.4.27 k7 |
| 05:24.03 | deadcat | gruhwert: maybe try a 2.6 kernel |
| 05:24.08 | mwilson | k8to: Which is a round-robin of four. Update again. |
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| 05:24.33 | gruhwert | will it make a difference? the installer keeps asking me to install sources, and when I do, it says my sources are bad |
| 05:24.35 | chacho | yeah actually the nvidia drivers on apt reccommend at least a 2.6.11 |
| 05:25.07 | chacho | aw man i forget what i did for this |
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| 05:25.13 | k8to | mwilson: success, thank you |
| 05:25.15 | chacho | i think i had the same problem |
| 05:25.53 | gruhwert | I've been googling for a few hours and every site gives me the same instructions and they aren't working |
| 05:26.05 | chacho | ok im looking, i remember i had a site |
| 05:27.37 | chacho | ok try http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 05:28.01 | chacho | and start down at Installation Instructions |
| 05:28.05 | chacho | dont read the top |
| 05:28.14 | chacho | and do Use module-assistnat |
| 05:28.16 | chacho | assistant |
| 05:28.40 | mwilson | Why do people push module-assistant when the actual maintainer of the packages doesn't? |
| 05:28.50 | mwilson | I've never understood that. |
| 05:28.59 | chacho | well, i wouldnt consider myself pushing it |
| 05:29.09 | chacho | it just worked for me |
| 05:29.15 | chacho | and the maintainer's instructions didnt |
| 05:29.16 | gruhwert | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.43 | gruhwert | for nvidia-kernel-common |
| 05:30.23 | chacho | is that on the apt-get step? |
| 05:30.33 | gruhwert | yeah |
| 05:30.45 | gruhwert | says modules.conf isn't automatically generated |
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| 05:32.33 | chacho | ah, well i dont know |
| 05:32.40 | chacho | i never got anything like that |
| 05:33.21 | chacho | maybe you need to make your own modules.conf |
| 05:33.26 | chacho | i dont know how to do that though |
| 05:33.45 | SimonRaven | /etc/modules |
| 05:34.17 | SimonRaven | well, depends on what context. ;) |
| 05:34.53 | chacho | gruhwert, try looking at yours |
| 05:35.00 | chacho | and see what it says/if it exists |
| 05:35.18 | gruhwert | argh I don't like gnome :/ I'm used to KDS |
| 05:35.19 | gruhwert | KDE |
| 05:36.33 | chacho | well, kde may be a pretty face, but gnome is your man in a fight ;p |
| 05:37.19 | landslide | i've copied my file system across to my new harddrive, but i'm not using lilo so the dpkg help for harddrive installation is no help |
| 05:37.29 | landslide | how do i get grub to boot my new drive when i change the cables? |
| 05:37.42 | landslide | i've tried grub-install /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:37.46 | landslide | but it tells me it's not in the bios... |
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| 05:38.09 | chacho | mwilson, sorry if I was a jerk to you, I actually dont really know what I am talking about |
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| 05:40.00 | chacho | landslide, im looking at boot-admin right now and it seems to have a setting you may be interested in |
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| 05:40.21 | chacho | if you click on your kernel and properties |
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| 05:40.47 | SimonRaven | chacho: wow, amazing. admission of humanity. always good to see :). |
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| 05:40.57 | SimonRaven | oh, netsplit.. heh |
| 05:41.06 | deadcat | SimonRaven: new nick? |
| 05:41.20 | SimonRaven | yeh. linked to my other ones. np ;) |
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| 05:41.45 | chacho | lol SimonRaven I have a conscience problem |
| 05:41.57 | SimonRaven | so do we all |
| 05:42.26 | chacho | usually it keeps quiet if i do what it says |
| 05:42.36 | SimonRaven | that's what makes us who we are, as human beings. that's great IMO. we're just hairless apes. |
| 05:43.03 | SimonRaven | no one's perfect. but we do have certain skills, and we should be wise in their exercising |
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| 05:44.19 | X360 | hey how can i create a user account on my box.. which locks the user in this home directory? |
| 05:44.25 | dondelelcaro | X360: you can't. |
| 05:44.42 | SimonRaven | wisdom is very much needed in these days of trouble. and who gets the brunt? the people. why us? because we're different. that's bad, getting treated badly because you're different. |
| 05:44.57 | X360 | :| |
| 05:45.13 | X360 | Is there anything similiar then? |
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| 05:45.23 | dondelelcaro | X360: the user has to be able to access libraries, programs, and configuration files; jailing them is pointless. Just set up your permisions properly, or use a restricted shell. |
| 05:45.23 | SimonRaven | it's not that simple, and it's usually not worh it |
| 05:45.28 | xoz | SimonRaven the prophet of wisdom |
| 05:45.31 | SimonRaven | exactly |
| 05:45.38 | xoz | amen |
| 05:45.43 | SimonRaven | gee, just stating the obvious |
| 05:45.45 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 05:45.52 | X360 | Restricted Shell? |
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| 05:46.02 | chacho | haha yes i am finding out that wisdom is often a matter of the obvious |
| 05:46.12 | deadcat | X360: restricted shell is useless. not restricted at all |
| 05:46.27 | chacho | it is just hard to make yourself realize that it is what it is |
| 05:46.28 | SimonRaven | yeh. often. sometimes it takes time. |
| 05:46.52 | SimonRaven | that's when the patience is needed ;) |
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| 05:46.55 | X360 | I see :| |
| 05:47.22 | TBBle | Well, you could mount +noexec anywhere the user can write to, and then a restricted shell would work better. |
| 05:47.22 | john | How can i find out the device of my dvd writer. ie /dev/dvd ? |
| 05:47.38 | deadcat | john: dmesg|grep ^hd |
| 05:47.40 | maher | X360: what don't you want people to do? if you're bored set up multiple virtual machines with uml / xen |
| 05:47.57 | maher | john: look in dmesg / the logs |
| 05:48.00 | john | ty ;p |
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| 05:49.22 | TBBle | Ah, Xen. That was my weekend project. ^_^ |
| 05:49.43 | deadcat | hows xen vs qemu? |
| 05:50.31 | TBBle | When I say "was" I mean "I forgot" rather than "I completed". ^_^ |
| 05:50.38 | TBBle | But the weekend is still young. |
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| 05:54.02 | rabies | peace... |
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| 05:55.00 | rabies | awfully quiet |
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| 05:59.49 | X360 | how do i assign a user to a group without re-making his account? |
| 06:00.00 | deadcat | X360: usermod |
| 06:00.03 | dondelelcaro | X360: adduser user group |
| 06:00.07 | dondelelcaro | X360: man adduser; |
| 06:00.18 | X360 | Thanks :) |
| 06:00.23 | exobyte_ | if my nameserver is not set, I can still ping or otherwise access an ip, right? |
| 06:00.33 | deadcat | exobyte_: yes |
| 06:00.33 | dondelelcaro | exobyte_: by ip, yes. |
| 06:00.40 | exobyte_ | cool |
| 06:01.02 | dondelelcaro | although, a lot of things will be slow waiting for names to resolve... |
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| 06:01.25 | deadcat | feel free to use 147.144.1.250 |
| 06:01.33 | tung | whats the best diff tool out there? |
| 06:01.40 | dondelelcaro | tung: diff |
| 06:01.41 | vince_ | Is anyone getting gpg errors when they run apt-get update? It doesn't happen all the time, just 1 out of 3-4 times. Connecting to: http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 06:01.53 | deadcat | tung: cmp is fast |
| 06:01.55 | tung | i mean a visual one |
| 06:01.55 | dondelelcaro | vince_: one of the mirrors may have issues. |
| 06:02.11 | dondelelcaro | tung: um... diff -u is pretty visual... |
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| 06:03.06 | vince_ | dondelelcaro: Worries me... when I run apt-get upgrade it says packages like iptables and gcc cannot be verified... since those are critical, I'm worried :) |
| 06:05.40 | SimonRaven | yay, packages :). thank you ftp admins |
| 06:05.57 | SimonRaven | (everyone else involved too ;) |
| 06:06.08 | landslide | i've copied my file system across to my new harddrive, but i'm not using lilo so the dpkg help for harddrive installation is no help |
| 06:06.12 | landslide | i've tried grub-install /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:06.14 | landslide | but it tells me it's not in the bios... |
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| 06:06.29 | SimonRaven | grub and lilo are different |
| 06:06.36 | isaac | olá ... |
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| 06:07.03 | theboneman | hey |
| 06:07.08 | theboneman | im having a problem |
| 06:07.13 | theboneman | im trying to install this SDK on debian |
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| 06:07.19 | wolfe | apt-get error, unknown group, where do I find and edit something called a "statusoverride file" (from an error code 2) |
| 06:07.20 | theboneman | cant seem to get autoconf to work |
| 06:07.23 | SimonRaven | lilolilolil |
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| 06:07.56 | dondelelcaro | wolfe: use the paster bot to paste the entire output |
| 06:07.58 | ma3x | this lookds kinda stupid. when i try to write to my cdrw it says "Found a high speed medium not suitable for the writer being used" |
| 06:08.06 | wolfe | in #flood? |
| 06:08.11 | ma3x | it used to burn the disc successfully under windows |
| 06:08.13 | dondelelcaro | !tell wolfe -about paster |
| 06:08.19 | SimonRaven | lilo: sorry if i hilighted you |
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| 06:09.05 | Spods | hello |
| 06:09.19 | Spods | i *think* i'm having a problem with PAM |
| 06:09.39 | Spods | i rebooted yesterday only to find that both kdm and ssh no longer work |
| 06:09.45 | paster | "Wolfe" at 207.216.171.120 pasted "apt-get/wajig error 2" (20 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/414 |
| 06:09.47 | ma3x | anybody knows why cdrw wont burn?? |
| 06:09.53 | Spods | but i haven't dist-upgrade for a week |
| 06:10.12 | wolfe | http://channels.debian.net/paste/414 |
| 06:10.19 | wolfe | cool script |
| 06:10.53 | ma3x | SimonRaven : you know why CDRW doesnt want to burn with k3b? |
| 06:11.01 | ma3x | it says Found a high speed medium not suitable for the |
| 06:11.02 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:11.38 | Spods | so i need to know where to start looking for the problem /var/log/syslog hasn't been much help and /var/log/auth.log only has the (moderately) usefull entry: Jul 30 13:57:00 ruprect sshd[2906]: fatal: daemon() failed: Success |
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| 06:12.07 | Spods | anyone have a better idea on where I should be looking? |
| 06:12.51 | dondelelcaro | wolfe: ok, iirc: you've removed the mixmaster group from the system, but it still appears in the /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride file; either add back the group (ideal) or manually fix the statoverride file. |
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| 06:13.34 | wolfe | i'd like to manual fix the file if i can... onbe sec |
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| 06:15.12 | landon| | hey does anyone here use ion3? |
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| 06:15.39 | Spods | what is ion3? |
| 06:15.47 | Spods | just curious |
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| 06:15.58 | wolfe | donedele: cann't find the file I check the path you gave, anywhere else it might be? |
| 06:16.26 | reamtS | what program can download rtsp:// files? |
| 06:16.33 | wolfe | dondelelcaro^ rather |
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| 06:16.47 | dondelelcaro | wolfe: is there a statusoverride file there? |
| 06:16.54 | wolfe | no |
| 06:16.54 | dondelelcaro | (in /var/lib/dpkg) |
| 06:17.06 | dondelelcaro | wolfe: there's just the /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 06:17.07 | wolfe | oh wait a sec |
| 06:17.30 | X360 | ok to set chown on a folder i do for example .. chown :adminz /etc/ ? |
| 06:17.32 | wolfe | check the default folder for fedora |
| 06:17.38 | wolfe | instead ooopps |
| 06:17.45 | theboneman | chown mmnnnmmmmmmmm |
| 06:18.13 | dondelelcaro | X360: presumably, yes; although that's really doing a chgrp |
| 06:18.23 | ma3x_ | Found a high speed medium not suitable for the medium being used (CDRW) |
| 06:18.26 | X360 | oh :\ |
| 06:18.28 | theboneman | mi caro eres en mi pipilo!!!! |
| 06:18.28 | ma3x_ | what's that k3b crap? |
| 06:18.30 | ke6isf | X360: What exactly are you trying to chown, and why? |
| 06:18.31 | theboneman | mi caro eres en mi pipilo!!!! |
| 06:18.48 | ke6isf | !es |
| 06:18.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:18.49 | dondelelcaro | theboneman: unless you want to be devoiced, take that to the appropriate channel, please. |
| 06:18.59 | theboneman | :\ |
| 06:19.04 | X360 | nvm |
| 06:19.07 | wolfe | don_inlab: ok found it... the only entries are mixmaster related, delete everything? |
| 06:19.07 | theboneman | wasnt asking for debian in spanish |
| 06:19.11 | wolfe | grrrrrrr |
| 06:19.19 | theboneman | dondelelcaro, i thought you would've laughed ;\ |
| 06:19.30 | wolfe | dondelelcaro ok found it... the only entries are mixmaster related, delete everything? |
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| 06:19.43 | theboneman | ty for voice though |
| 06:19.52 | ke6isf | theboneman: We're like the FBI. We don't have a sense of humor that we're aware of. |
| 06:20.23 | theboneman | thats only because you have been inah |
| 06:20.31 | theboneman | been in iraq |
| 06:20.46 | theboneman | just kidding |
| 06:20.53 | theboneman | ... |
| 06:21.28 | X360 | lmao ke6isf -_- |
| 06:21.42 | ke6isf | theboneman: My brother - a US Marine - was in Fallujah up until just before the super bowl, and came back with two purple hearts. That's DEFINITELY not funny, sir. >=-( |
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| 06:23.17 | ohad_ | strange, when trying to go into suspend mode, it works but on recovery the my video is not working.. the monitor of my laptop does not light on. any ideas? |
| 06:23.23 | wolfe | dondelelcaro: thank you fixed |
| 06:24.58 | landslide | argg. this is insane... the help on dpk... the harddrive upgrade guide only talks about loading lilo onto the new harddrive (which will replace the old one) |
| 06:25.03 | landslide | how do I do this with grub? |
| 06:25.11 | Spods | found my problem |
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| 06:25.36 | SimonRaven | fucking bastards using people to fight their war games, seeing the flames on t.v., of perptuating war crimes, even where the sun don't shine, when are we going to say nay, to the things they do and say |
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| 06:26.18 | Spods | /dev/null had changed in to a normal file and ssh/kdm (possibly pam as well?) didn't like it |
| 06:26.28 | dondelelcaro | landslide: you run grub-install with the appropriate options; presumably somehting like grub-install --root-directory=/path/to/root /dev/sda; or whatever. |
| 06:27.03 | terr_ | I've got 100's of defunct processes in this system after an upgrade from woody to sarge. Has this problem been solved yet - can anyone shed any light on it? |
| 06:27.13 | dondelelcaro | terr_: defunct in what way? |
| 06:27.43 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: they are zombies. ps fax shows them as defunt. |
| 06:27.49 | ma3x | Found a high speed medium not suitable for the medium being used (CDRW) <- how do you explain that? NeroLinux can write to the CDRW and k3b NOT! |
| 06:28.05 | ohad_ | anyoen, ideas why my video is not working when my laptop gets back from suspend? |
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| 06:28.23 | landslide | dondelelcaro: i tried that it says '/dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive' |
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| 06:28.46 | liable | ohad_: do you have hibernate package installed? |
| 06:29.01 | Spods | ma3x: i have speed problems with k3b as well, however i haven't had time to look in to them, i thought it might be a problem with my dual layer pioneer burner |
| 06:29.03 | brknsoul | using startx gives this error "(WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found" (Ati Radeon 9800 pro) |
| 06:30.11 | liable | brknsoul: did you add that bus id or did you leave it blank. lspci, and see what your card is. |
| 06:30.15 | maher | Spods: ma3x: on unstable? k3b has stopped working for me in unstable |
| 06:30.51 | brknsoul | liable: i didn't add anything, it started doing so, after i dpkg-reco.. xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:31.11 | ma3x | Spods : only software is problem |
| 06:31.15 | Spods | maher: no I'm using stable at the moment, and have a pioneer 109. even though the burner is capable at 8x CD-R and CD+R I can only get an average of 3x and 5x |
| 06:31.31 | maher | Spods: doesn't seem worth worrying about... |
| 06:31.37 | Eonn | guys what effect will adding a 'testing' source to my aptitiude 'source.list' file (currently running sarge stable) Will is provide more current versions of applications or just convert my system to a more 'Etch/testing' style distro? |
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| 06:31.50 | Spods | maher: yeah it still burns, i just wait a little longer :) |
| 06:32.15 | ma3x | maher: stable |
| 06:32.26 | Spods | maher: CD's are a big problem though, they only burn at 4x, it takes me a full 25 mins to do one CD |
| 06:32.29 | brknsoul | (finally, my stupid kernel comiled properly) |
| 06:32.38 | TBBle | Spods: Turn on udma with hdparm |
| 06:33.14 | Spods | TBBle: It's a Pentium 2 system, I'm not even sure if it has udma, hang on |
| 06:33.47 | TBBle | My server's a P2, it has UDMA. I had the same problem with my Pioneer 107. |
| 06:34.09 | brknsoul | i have a video card with two plugs, my monitor's plugged into the DVI port with an adapter. after doing xf86config, startx started giving me "(WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found" |
| 06:34.15 | Spods | TBBle: i checked hdparm, the device has dma turned on, is this what you mean? |
| 06:34.25 | ma3x | http://www.gidforums.com/t-904.html?page=2&pp=15 <- read the post before the last one |
| 06:34.30 | TBBle | Yeah, that's what I mean. hdparm -d |
| 06:34.45 | TBBle | In that case, beats me. |
| 06:35.33 | Spods | TBBle: yeah it's on. strange, im getting an error message "HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument" after each hdparm /dev/hdd or /dev/hdc command (hdc is a Pioneer 102 DVD reader) |
| 06:36.03 | TBBle | O_O |
| 06:36.06 | brknsoul | how do i make an initrd image for my new kernel? |
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| 06:36.25 | TBBle | And you've got the right IDE drivers loaded for the IDE bus? |
| 06:36.54 | theboneman | hey |
| 06:36.59 | theboneman | how do i update build-essential |
| 06:37.03 | theboneman | or any app |
| 06:37.29 | Spods | TBBle: I'm using the stock 2.6 686-smp kernel from sarge, i usually like to compile my own but haven't had much success for 2.6 on this system |
| 06:37.49 | SimonRaven | theboneman: man apt-get |
| 06:38.07 | TBBle | UDMA's on for the hard disk too? |
| 06:39.10 | Spods | TBBle: yeah, lsmod tells me i'm running ide_core, seems pretty generic to me |
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| 06:39.31 | ma3x | how can i disable IMAPI? |
| 06:39.40 | ma3x | some forums says i should disable IMAPI |
| 06:39.46 | ma3x | but they posted description only for bloody winxp |
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| 06:41.08 | TBBle | Hmm. lspci to determine your IDE chipset, and see if there's an appropriate module built. (I expect there is for a P2 motherboard. If it was a Power5, then maybe not...) |
| 06:41.53 | Spods | TBBle: yeah it's a 440BX |
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| 06:42.56 | TBBle | modprobe piix |
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| 06:43.15 | Eonn | theboneman: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
| 06:43.25 | theboneman | i did |
| 06:43.32 | theboneman | it didnt fix my problem |
| 06:43.51 | Eonn | then the package your trying to update isnt in the stable sources.list of aptitude |
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| 06:44.06 | theboneman | yeah i just realised that |
| 06:44.11 | Eonn | you may need to compile from source |
| 06:44.21 | theboneman | im installing a toolchain |
| 06:44.38 | Eonn | whats that? |
| 06:44.38 | cg_ | hi all |
| 06:44.44 | Eonn | hey cg |
| 06:44.46 | ke6isf | Good evening, cg_ |
| 06:44.51 | theboneman | Eonn, this sdk and toolchain for psp dev |
| 06:44.56 | ke6isf | Or morning, depending on where you are. =^^= |
| 06:45.02 | Eonn | okay |
| 06:45.08 | Spods | TBBle: funny, ide_core is bound to piix, but for the life of me I can't find piix's entry in the lsmod list |
| 06:45.30 | Spods | TBBle: modprobe piix returned with no output |
| 06:45.42 | Eonn | any one have an answer to this one (relates to bonemans question) and was asked earlier -> guys what effect will adding a 'testing' source to my aptitiude 'source.list' file (currently running sarge stable) Will is provide more current versions of applications or just convert my system to a more 'Etch/testing' style distro? |
| 06:45.45 | Calibra | hello NE1 4 help here? |
| 06:45.57 | TBBle | Maybe it's built in? Only that'd be impossible. Modular ide_core implies modular piix I'm sure. |
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| 06:46.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell Calibra -about ask |
| 06:46.25 | liable | Eonn: if you do that, it will upgrade to etch. |
| 06:46.56 | cg_ | thanks |
| 06:47.05 | Spods | TBBle: yeah I dont know, might compile my own 2.6 kernel and see if the specific ide drivers allow it a faster speed |
| 06:47.13 | Spods | when i have time |
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| 06:47.29 | Calibra | ok i have the cd 4 the knoppix 3.4 |
| 06:47.42 | Calibra | i try 2 boot it it doesnt |
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| 06:48.03 | ke6isf | Calibra: Knoppix is not Debian. |
| 06:48.18 | dondelelcaro | Calibra: ask your question in #knoppix |
| 06:48.48 | Calibra | dondelelcaro cant u help me here? |
| 06:48.54 | cg_ | i come from china its afternoon |
| 06:48.56 | dondelelcaro | Calibra: no; we don't support knoppix here. |
| 06:49.01 | ke6isf | cg_: OK, that too. =^^= |
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| 06:49.18 | Calibra | ok 10x |
| 06:49.23 | ke6isf | !tell Calibra -about debian based |
| 06:49.39 | cat | OP |
| 06:49.44 | cat | bla |
| 06:50.28 | ke6isf | Calibra: Just go balls-up and install Sarge. |
| 06:50.40 | Spods | ke6isf: hahaha |
| 06:50.54 | Eonn | sorry guys had to depart for a tick (have a 2year old and a 6month old) just readin everyones reply now....... =) |
| 06:51.02 | cg_ | i hope someone can help me :how can i install pdo with pear in debian(sid)+php5+gcc4.0 |
| 06:51.02 | Calibra | sarge? |
| 06:51.03 | cg_ | configure: error: Please reinstall the pslib distribution |
| 06:51.03 | cg_ | `/tmp/tmpzNY22v/ps-1.3.1/configure' failed |
| 06:51.04 | cg_ | myhome:/home/cg/ps-1.3.1# |
| 06:51.06 | Calibra | whats that |
| 06:51.07 | Calibra | ? |
| 06:51.21 | ke6isf | Calibra: Sarge is current stable Debian. |
| 06:51.30 | ke6isf | !tell Calibra -about netinst |
| 06:52.13 | eeyore-- | cg_: you want sid (experimental), php5 (experimental), gcc-4.0 (truly beta), and you can't handle basic configure error? |
| 06:52.18 | Calibra | ok |
| 06:52.19 | Calibra | 10x |
| 06:52.20 | Eonn | so changing the sources in sources.list to testing would change the whole machine to ETCH and changing them to unstable would 'upgrade' to SID ? |
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| 06:52.54 | Eonn | ??? |
| 06:53.14 | Spods | eonn: without knowing much of the previous conversation, that sounds about right |
| 06:53.16 | theboneman | Eonn , need to update autmoake |
| 06:53.18 | theboneman | automake |
| 06:53.45 | Eonn | and what does automake do? |
| 06:53.59 | undertow | what if i want ssh to use the remote display, since the sshd machine is sitting right next to my laptop, but has no keyboard? |
| 06:54.28 | cg_ | the follow its config.log |
| 06:54.28 | cg_ | configure: failed program was: |
| 06:54.28 | cg_ | | #ifndef __cplusplus |
| 06:54.30 | cg_ | | choke me |
| 06:54.32 | cg_ | | #endif |
| 06:54.33 | ke6isf | undertow: You could do that. |
| 06:54.36 | undertow | or better worded: what's the opposite of x-forwarding? |
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| 06:54.40 | cg_ | configure:2661: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -R /usr/lib >&5 |
| 06:54.42 | cg_ | gcc: unrecognized option '-R' |
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| 06:54.44 | cg_ | /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib: No such file: File format not recognized |
| 06:54.46 | cg_ | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 06:54.49 | cg_ | configure:2667: $? = 1 |
| 06:54.50 | cg_ | configure: failed program was: |
| 06:54.52 | cg_ | | /* confdefs.h. */ |
| 06:54.54 | cg_ | | |
| 06:54.55 | Spods | undertow: huh? vnc maybe? |
| 06:54.56 | undertow | ke6isf, how?? |
| 06:54.57 | cg_ | | #define PACKAGE_NAME "" |
| 06:55.00 | cg_ | | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "" |
| 06:55.02 | cg_ | | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "" |
| 06:55.04 | cg_ | | #define PACKAGE_STRING "" |
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| 06:55.16 | cg_ | | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "" |
| 06:55.16 | cg_ | | /* end confdefs.h. */ |
| 06:55.16 | cg_ | | |
| 06:55.16 | cg_ | | int |
| 06:55.16 | cg_ | | main () |
| 06:55.16 | cg_ | | { |
| 06:55.17 | ke6isf | !ops cg_ is flooding |
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| 06:55.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: cg_ is flooding |
| 06:55.26 | ke6isf | argh, sorry. |
| 06:55.41 | undertow | Spods, that still ends up sending it over to the clients display |
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| 06:55.55 | ke6isf | Ops: sorry, debhelper wasn't kicking over. |
| 06:56.11 | Spods | undertow: im not understanding then, what are you trying to do? |
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| 06:56.42 | tgop | i am new and need help installing? anyone... |
| 06:56.51 | ke6isf | tgop: What kind of help do you need? |
| 06:57.07 | TBBle | I don't think you can install anyone |
| 06:57.15 | cat | damn mouse keep on freezing |
| 06:57.17 | Calibra | Bye Bye |
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| 06:57.28 | undertow | hmm, Spods, basically, i have a machine that i cant connect a keyboard to, but want to use it's power and display still, |
| 06:57.48 | tgop | i got the netinst and installed successfully but when it boots all i get is a _ prompt that does nothing but print what i type! |
| 06:58.03 | TBBle | undertow: I think you want to investigate x2x. |
| 06:58.15 | undertow | TBBle, will do. |
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| 06:58.37 | Spods | undertow: ahh got it. |
| 06:58.37 | ke6isf | tgop: Erm... that's weird. |
| 06:58.48 | maher | tgop: what happens if you press f1 or f3 |
| 06:58.56 | undertow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.56 | undertow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.56 | undertow | Section: Unix |
| 06:58.56 | undertow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.56 | undertow | Added: Tue, Feb 22nd 2000 12:55 PDT (5 years, 5 months ago) Updated: Thu, Mar 31st 2005 08:14 PDT (4 months, 0 days ago) |
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| 06:59.06 | undertow | About: |
| 06:59.08 | undertow | x2x allows the keyboard and mouse on one ("from") X display to control another ("to") X display. |
| 06:59.20 | undertow | sounds perfect |
| 06:59.25 | tgop | ke6isf: that's with the 2.4 kernel, with the 2.6 it just hangs after saying "uncompressing kernel, ok booting..." or something |
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| 06:59.46 | ke6isf | maher: I think he's past the install. |
| 07:00.05 | maher | tgop: check to see if you have a corrupt cd |
| 07:00.08 | tgop | maher: haven't tried but it is after the installer has finished, should i try that? |
| 07:00.22 | maher | tgop: oh - you have installed already? |
| 07:00.37 | Spods | well im outta here, it's three pm here, i should look at getting some lunch before i blink and it's dinner time :) |
| 07:00.38 | ke6isf | tgop: maher has a point, it cood be a hosed CD. |
| 07:00.42 | Spods | later all |
| 07:00.45 | tgop | i tried it with debian and ubuntu and the problem with 2.6 is with both |
| 07:00.48 | ke6isf | s/cood/could |
| 07:00.50 | ke6isf | argh |
| 07:01.02 | ke6isf | tgop: hardware problem then? |
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| 07:01.43 | soar | how to install MS true type font? |
| 07:01.47 | ma3x | igot that system rescuecd |
| 07:02.03 | tgop | ke6isf: running on Acer TravelMate 4602 (pentium M processor) ?? |
| 07:02.08 | ma3x | but when it come to boot, it freezes on USB and hotplug devices |
| 07:02.24 | ma3x | how to boot and disable the detection of hotplug and usb |
| 07:02.25 | ke6isf | Pentium M... =O.o= |
| 07:02.46 | liable | ma3x: go to the home page for it. |
| 07:02.49 | ke6isf | Heard of it, and I think I heard that there's something funky about it. At any rate, I fold. Sorry. |
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| 07:04.33 | tgop | thanks anyway. |
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| 07:05.32 | soar | how to install MS true type font in debian? |
| 07:05.56 | dondelelcaro | soar: there's a non-free package for htem. |
| 07:05.59 | dondelelcaro | s/ht/th/ |
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| 07:06.34 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Isn't there some font installer or something? I can't remember the package name.... |
| 07:06.36 | tgop | anybody else had problems with installing on Pentium M laptop? |
| 07:06.54 | ma3x | liable : this rescue cd, it doesn't have that option |
| 07:06.56 | maher | tgop: did you check linux laptops |
| 07:07.02 | ma3x | im gonna have to download knoppix now 600 MB |
| 07:07.13 | tgop | maher: what is the url? |
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| 07:07.17 | ke6isf | !knoppixsmite ma3x |
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| 07:07.48 | maher | tgop: google linux laptops |
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| 07:08.10 | tgop | ok, i'll try that thanks. |
| 07:08.14 | ma3x | i don't care what's based on im not gonna use it forever! only for backup restore |
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| 07:10.02 | J-Ph | morning |
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| 07:10.49 | liable | ma3x: boot with nodetect |
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| 07:11.11 | liable | ma3x: http://www.sysresccd.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=494 |
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| 07:12.04 | jayeola | hi guys. i'm in need of ncures-devel. `apt-cache search ncurses` doesn't show it. (sarge) |
| 07:12.44 | J-Ph | jayeola, i had the same problem , it installed it after installing it with the other dependencies needed (dont remember which...) |
| 07:12.55 | jayeola | libncurses5?? |
| 07:12.58 | maher | jayeola: apt-cache search ncurses | grep dev |
| 07:13.05 | jayeola | hrm |
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| 07:14.04 | cg | hi all |
| 07:14.08 | jayeola | http://pastebin.com/325286 ?? |
| 07:14.29 | liable | libncurses5-dev |
| 07:14.33 | jayeola | ty! |
| 07:14.56 | jayeola | never thought of ` |grep dev` ;) |
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| 07:16.52 | scorphus | yo! |
| 07:16.56 | scorphus | sup |
| 07:18.25 | J-Ph | i got codec_semaphore not ready, i guess its my modem ( i dont use) how do i get rid of those errors? |
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| 07:20.22 | belracu | what is PCI resource collision and how to fix that |
| 07:20.25 | belracu | ? |
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| 07:20.51 | maher | belracu: try a different kernel - rearrange the cards in your pci slots at random |
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| 07:22.22 | belracu | maher, its a ixp425 based baord and the pci devices are fixed :( |
| 07:22.54 | mombof | anyone know of a zonefile templte floating on the web i can model |
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| 07:25.13 | maher | belracu: try a different kernel |
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| 07:26.17 | ohad_ | i am trying to install my ipw2200, i've install ipw2200-source and ipw2200-fm .. i tried to run the module-assistant and got a number of errors. tried to run the laternative. doesn't work.. :/ -- [/usr/src/modules/ipw2200/driver/ipw2200.o] Error 1], * [_module_/usr/src/modules/ipw2200/driver] Error 2, Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-386' make[2]: *** [modules] Error 2. Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/ipw2200/ |
| 07:26.17 | ohad_ | driver' make[1]: *** [binary-modules] Error 2 |
| 07:26.23 | ohad_ | opps. sorry. |
| 07:26.27 | ohad_ | oops |
| 07:26.41 | jayeola | heh |
| 07:27.08 | J-Ph | ohad |
| 07:27.16 | J-Ph | i had my ipw2200 working fine on sarge |
| 07:27.28 | ohad_ | J-Ph, so did i.:( |
| 07:27.36 | ohad_ | J-Ph, this is a new install |
| 07:27.47 | J-Ph | i installed it twice debian sarge this week |
| 07:27.58 | ohad_ | J-Ph, trying my luck with 2.6.11 |
| 07:28.17 | belracu | maher, its Montavista .... i dont have much choice .... I am not sure Y montavista ... sticks to one kernel .... and give me hopeless support ... here in taiwan |
| 07:28.18 | J-Ph | though 2.6.11 wasnt succesfulltoo |
| 07:28.33 | J-Ph | still stuck with 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 07:29.04 | ohad_ | J-Ph, I don't know.. why isn't the module-assistant working? |
| 07:29.25 | J-Ph | you did module-assistant a-i ipw2200 etc |
| 07:29.33 | TBBle | ohad_: Just a guess, but do you have ieeee80211-src, and do you need it? |
| 07:30.10 | ohad_ | TBBle, don't think i have that source. didn't know i needed it |
| 07:30.23 | J-Ph | me neither for 2.6.8 |
| 07:30.33 | J-Ph | or it downloads it itself |
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| 07:32.43 | TBBle | It's a requirement of later versions of the ipw2200 driver. |
| 07:33.05 | ohad_ | TBBle, where do i download that ? |
| 07:33.18 | TBBle | I dunno if ipw2200-source is taking care of that for you, but someone ITP'd ieee80211-source for use with ipw2200 I think. |
| 07:33.36 | TBBle | Have a look in the ITPs, see if the ITPer has posted the link? |
| 07:34.09 | ohad_ | TBBle, it looks like i have that ieee80211 under /usr/src/modules/ipw2200/driver |
| 07:35.19 | TBBle | Ah, good. |
| 07:36.09 | jayeola | has any one tried the module " KERNEL_HZ" to set the frequency of the kernel timer? and if so was it a laptop? |
| 07:36.24 | jayeola | i mean, is this really necessary? |
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| 07:38.07 | J-Ph | ieee80211 is in the lsmod list if i remember |
| 07:40.30 | soar | sources.list of sarge |
| 07:41.09 | soar | does the default sources.list of sarge include "contrib non-free"? |
| 07:43.01 | Eonn | J-Ph: hmmm interesting command lsmod, now i can see easily why my sound stop working on my laptop when upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6.... |
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| 07:45.41 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm trying to add gpg key for marillat server. So as root I do "gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add -" as explained on the site. But I get error message : "gpg: WARNING: nothing exported ; gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found." What's wrong ? |
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| 07:47.29 | cafuego | lord_rob: do you need to export to stdout? |
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| 07:47.44 | cafuego | gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 - | sudo apt-key add - |
| 07:47.57 | toni_ | lord_rob, try speficifying name that you're exporting for. i had the same error, and once i added the name, it was fine. |
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| 07:49.46 | lord_rob | cafuego: copy/pasted your line ; same problem |
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| 07:50.05 | lord_rob | toni_: how do you specify the name you're exporting for ? |
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| 07:50.52 | cafuego | lord_rob: export to file first, then import that file. |
| 07:51.15 | lord_rob | ah ok will try that |
| 07:51.31 | toni_ | lord_rob: add "My name" after --export command. |
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| 07:55.29 | Eonn | guys just added a 200mb drive to my sarge system (and relocated CD rom device to secondary slave IDE position) and now everytime KDE starts it hangs. Removed device and then works find. Any suggestions |
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| 07:56.06 | J-Ph | Eonn, vi /etc/fstab? |
| 07:56.13 | ohad_ | TBBle, i've installed the ieee80211. still nothing.. |
| 07:56.42 | J-Ph | ohad, have you done a modprobe? |
| 07:57.18 | Eonn | J-Ph: yeah tried changing fstab but no luch |
| 07:57.21 | Eonn | luck |
| 07:57.24 | TBBle | Beats me then. I don't have one of those cards, I was just reading up on the driver this morning. |
| 07:57.27 | Eonn | modprobe? |
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| 07:57.42 | Eonn | a utility for probing hardware devices? |
| 07:57.46 | ohad_ | J-Ph, odprobe ipw2200 FATAL: Module ipw2200 not found. |
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| 07:57.57 | J-Ph | hmmm |
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| 07:58.19 | Eonn | J-Ph what options should I put after modprobe? |
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| 07:58.46 | J-Ph | modprobe was ment for ohad; not you Eonn |
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| 07:59.54 | J-Ph | ohad, have you tried compiling your kernel manually with the CONFIG_RADIO_RF=on and CRC and ARC? |
| 08:00.50 | Whisky_ | I have a USB card reader through which I want to read my Multimedia Memory Card. I loaded the modules "usb-storage" and "sd_mod" with "modprobe" as dpkg says so. I still don't have the devices "sda" or "sdb" in "/dev/" so I can't go any further in the process of mounting the memory card. Help needed :p |
| 08:01.06 | J-Ph | Eonn, fdisk /dev/hdc and then 'p' gives what? |
| 08:01.45 | J-Ph | Whisky, have you installed autofs? |
| 08:02.35 | cahoot | Whisky_: what's the output from: grep -i blk_dev_ub /boot/config-`uname -r`? |
| 08:03.21 | lord_rob | 'gpg --export 1F41B907' tells me the warning : nothing exported. Don't I need to configure gpg ? |
| 08:03.40 | bob2 | Whisky_: use a Debian 2.6 kernel, install hotplug and udev |
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| 08:08.36 | tonsofpcs | 2.6.10, how do i enable a single binary for certain users to be able to sudo without pass? |
| 08:08.43 | brknsoul | startx (kde) stalls at 'initializing system services' |
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| 08:09.46 | lord_rob | brknsoul: could be a sound server conflict problem, I had that also |
| 08:10.25 | brknsoul | lord_rob: how do i go about fixing that? |
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| 08:11.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Sorry I wasnt home today man... akash begged me to roll out to SF with him to pick up these two dumb ass chicks.. and it was 10:30 so I said fine figuring I would be back early... but then he said we had to drive to Sonoma (another hour away) to go do some gay shit but we actually went out there to go to the Infineon race track... it was fucking dope. But my bad man. |
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| 08:13.12 | miz | My firefox doesn't show up, I've removed the package, deleted all profiles, removed it from 'apps' file of fluxbox', anything named *firefox* or *mozilla*, reinstalled mozilla-firefox package and still, if I launch firefox, I get the process to mess with cpu and disk as I see it in gkrellm, yet no window shows up, the process is still in `top`, with 0% cpu usage... Anyone could hint me for possible reasons or a google query? |
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| 08:14.11 | TwistedEmotions | miz: are other gui based programs working alright? |
| 08:14.23 | miz | Anything but firefox works fine |
| 08:14.36 | smhar | miz, run it from a console and see if there is any error messages |
| 08:14.47 | TwistedEmotions | miz: when you run from cunsul no errors? |
| 08:14.52 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... what he said. |
| 08:14.57 | miz | smhar, none |
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| 08:15.15 | lord_rob | brknsoul: kde control center, sound & multimedia, sound server, check the hardware |
| 08:15.41 | lord_rob | brknsoul: honestly I don't remember exactly what I did sorry |
| 08:15.48 | miz | Just halts when I launch it |
| 08:16.00 | brknsoul | lord_rob: i can't even start up kde :-P |
| 08:16.22 | TwistedEmotions | miz: what gui u using? |
| 08:16.32 | miz | Fluxbox |
| 08:16.33 | ohad_ | J-Ph, any other suggestions? |
| 08:16.33 | Whisky_ | sorry was away |
| 08:16.37 | Whisky_ | cahoot: Nothing :/ |
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| 08:16.59 | cahoot | Whisky_: that's as it should be |
| 08:17.10 | smhar | miz, the console halts? |
| 08:17.13 | ohad_ | modprobe ipw2200 FATAL: Module ipw2200 not found. |
| 08:17.19 | Whisky_ | cahoot: grep -i blk_dev_ub /boot/config-`uname -r`........turns out nothing :/ |
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| 08:17.42 | miz | It doesn't halt, can still do ^C, but it just won't output anything until I kill the process |
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| 08:18.24 | miz | I can't even figure out a google query to search for anything like it :\ |
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| 08:18.47 | lord_rob | brknsoul: do you wait enough ? I know it's very slow, it's eating a lot of ressources but it starts |
| 08:18.58 | cahoot | Whisky_: the point was to make sure blk_dev_ub wasn't enabled - did you notice bob2's advice? |
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| 08:19.05 | lord_rob | brknsoul: at least in my case it started |
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| 08:19.45 | brknsoul | lord_rob i'll give a wait, but after a while the splash screen goes away and i'm left staring at nothing |
| 08:20.18 | lord_rob | switch to a text tty |
| 08:20.25 | lord_rob | brknsoul: ^ |
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| 08:20.32 | Whisky_ | cahoot: No, sorry. I got disconnected. |
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| 08:20.54 | lord_rob | brknsoul: then type top in the tty and see what happens |
| 08:21.00 | brknsoul | lord_rob: mmk |
| 08:21.07 | cahoot | Whisky_: I quote: use a Debian 2.6 kernel, install hotplug and udev |
| 08:21.15 | lord_rob | brknsoul: maybe a process is eating a lot of resources |
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| 08:21.51 | brknsoul | lord_rob: top reports top and init as top two..normal function |
| 08:22.17 | brknsoul | lord_rob system is quite responsive, hence why i say it's stalled |
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| 08:23.16 | AquaVixen | i just installed webmin via apt-get, but i get "Access denied" when i try to load it from the local-area-network. Any idea how to fix this please ? |
| 08:23.18 | renegad3 | hey guys, I want to make the colum wider when doing a dpkg -l search, cant remember how to do it... its something like COL=125 or COLWIDTH=125 ive tried different combinations cant remember though :( |
| 08:23.51 | lord_rob | brknsoul: then your problem is not the same as mine. sorry I can't help you, maybe try #debian-kde or #kde |
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| 08:24.13 | brknsoul | lord_rob: doing a 'echo exec xterm > ~/.xinitrc', then startx, then startkde in the xterm reports nothing unusal |
| 08:24.14 | bob2 | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 08:24.25 | AquaVixen | renegad3: did you try 'man dpkg' ? |
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| 08:24.59 | AquaVixen | do i need to re-ask my question ? |
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| 08:25.31 | renegad3 | AquaVixen, ehh I will give it a go ;) |
| 08:25.43 | Whisky_ | cahoot: I have 2.6.8-686, i'll install hotplug and udev now |
| 08:25.43 | Whisky_ | udev and hotplud are installed :/ |
| 08:25.44 | renegad3 | you know what those man pages are like :D |
| 08:25.58 | cahoot | AquaVixen: it's a frowned-upon app here |
| 08:26.23 | AquaVixen | i thought man-pages fell under the 'rtfm' |
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| 08:26.58 | AquaVixen | 2.6.8 is sooo old |
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| 08:27.07 | AquaVixen | all of my systems use 2.6.8-11-686 |
| 08:27.26 | Whisky_ | cahoot: sorry got disconnected again. Guys coming to install DSL in half an hour anyway. I have 2.6.8-2-686, with hotplug and udev installed. |
| 08:28.35 | Whisky_ | !ping |
| 08:28.35 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:28.40 | cat | damn it sucks not to have a mouse |
| 08:28.45 | boguh | the file .xsession-error is 302MB, can i just delete this file? |
| 08:28.48 | AquaVixen | so no one here knows how to enable webmin ? |
| 08:28.55 | cahoot | Whisky_: I can spell to udev - but thats' about all I know of the subjetc - sorry |
| 08:28.55 | cat | boguh: if you want |
| 08:29.01 | cat | AquaVixen: man webmin ? |
| 08:29.05 | cahoot | heh |
| 08:29.08 | AquaVixen | dun help :P |
| 08:29.10 | Whisky_ | :/ |
| 08:29.35 | Whisky_ | modules are loaded as, "modprobe usb-storage" right ? |
| 08:29.51 | cat | Whisky_: yes why? |
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| 08:30.07 | Whisky_ | just making sure |
| 08:30.08 | cahoot | Whisky_: that should pull in both usb-sorage and sd_mod |
| 08:30.55 | Whisky_ | anything else i need to do after that ? |
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| 08:31.05 | Whisky_ | !tell Whisky_ about usb-storage |
| 08:31.13 | htedrom | hey guys i need some help |
| 08:31.18 | Whisky_ | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 08:31.35 | bob2 | Whisky_: are you using a debian kennrle? |
| 08:31.43 | Whisky_ | bob2: yes. |
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| 08:32.07 | htedrom | i tried installing the ati prop. driver on my 2.4 kernel and i ran fglrxconfig, and now nothing works |
| 08:32.13 | htedrom | x server crashes on start |
| 08:32.15 | bob2 | showck |
| 08:32.16 | bob2 | horror |
| 08:32.18 | bob2 | egads |
| 08:32.19 | htedrom | i've got the log |
| 08:32.22 | Whisky_ | :s |
| 08:32.28 | htedrom | gadzooks? |
| 08:32.29 | bob2 | binary driver in system fuckup scandal! |
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| 08:32.37 | bob2 | what ati card do you have? |
| 08:32.45 | htedrom | 9700 |
| 08:32.52 | hagisbasheruk | is there a automatic menu updating tool for KDE that will find all programs i install the builtin one sucks! |
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| 08:33.24 | shaiW | argghh... how do I find the BIN file for a PKG I just installed? |
| 08:33.29 | htedrom | the wierd thing is, the config file that was working fine earlier today now doesn't work |
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| 08:33.34 | RichiH | bob2: heh, getting cynical? |
| 08:33.38 | htedrom | and i havn't changed a thing...i just had a power surge |
| 08:33.48 | jah | htedrom: Have you tried http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ ? |
| 08:34.00 | RichiH | shaiW: i usually use the files list on packages.debian.org |
| 08:34.34 | jah | htedrom: My 9200SE works fine with free drivers. :) |
| 08:34.34 | htedrom | jah: no i havn't |
| 08:35.23 | shaiW | Well, I could see the list of installed files on the Synaptec, but Synaptec is no more, though there MUST be another way, it's just a frontend after all |
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| 08:35.39 | htedrom | Jah: do they work as well as ATI drivers? |
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| 08:35.48 | htedrom | performance wise? |
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| 08:36.27 | J-Ph | anyone knows how to acces my nokia 6310i with bluez and gnokii? |
| 08:36.51 | jah | htedrom: Yep. :) |
| 08:36.58 | J-Ph | my firmware is upgraded to 5.51 and worked in the past under winblows |
| 08:37.04 | htedrom | jah: thanks i guess i'll try em |
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| 08:37.18 | jah | htedrom: Have a look at http://r300.sourceforge.net/ too. |
| 08:37.57 | htedrom | jah: it says it only supports up to the 9200 |
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| 08:38.34 | J-Ph | hcitool scan show the mac of my phone |
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| 08:38.41 | brknsoul | lord_rob: ok, it's getting someone (kde stalling problem)...but it's taking a _real_ long time |
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| 08:39.09 | jah | htedrom: Oh, sorry. :( |
| 08:39.13 | drac | jah, htedrom: r300.sourceforge.net drivers are now also in dri.sourceforge.net, installation method is same. This happened about week ago. |
| 08:39.22 | htedrom | jah: haha no prob |
| 08:39.29 | drac | jah, htedrom: Mentioned in #dri /topic too. |
| 08:39.38 | jah | drac: ok :) |
| 08:40.11 | jah | Damn, it could be so easier if vendors published the specifications. |
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| 08:40.51 | TwistedEmotions | How do I set my computer time? For some reason it's all screwed up and sais 6:53? wtf? It's 1:41am here... |
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| 08:41.06 | drac | But r300 driver (like for 9700) branch is not even close to r200 (like for 9200 card) yet, it's so new. |
| 08:41.21 | htedrom | yea it looks a little sketchy, to be honest |
| 08:41.56 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? Command to set time? |
| 08:42.01 | drac | TwistedEmotions: date |
| 08:42.03 | jah | TwistedEmotions: date |
| 08:42.03 | dawg | twistedemotions, man date or man ntpdate and man hwclock |
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| 08:42.07 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
| 08:42.15 | htedrom | i'm gonna see if i can play with my XF86Config and get back on kde |
| 08:42.22 | htedrom | brb |
| 08:42.22 | jah | TwistedEmotions: I'd advice to tuse ntpdate too. :) |
| 08:42.38 | jah | s/tuse/use |
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| 08:43.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell TwistedEmotions -about set the time |
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| 08:44.00 | defcon8 | hello |
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| 08:44.06 | defcon8 | Guerin you there? |
| 08:45.17 | TwistedEmotions | thanks guys ;) |
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| 08:45.40 | hagisbasheruk | well ist there an automatic menu updating tool for kde that actualy catches all programs i install the builtin one doesnt catch them all and i am fed up having to manuay have ing to edit the kde menus :-( |
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| 08:46.04 | hagisbasheruk | manually |
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| 08:46.12 | bob2 | what a shame |
| 08:46.46 | lord_rob | :) |
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| 08:46.54 | bob2 | you could file a bug |
| 08:46.58 | bob2 | or ask in #debian-kde |
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| 08:48.13 | hagisbasheruk | ok bob2 , but i think programmers should put in options to add these just like windoows would ask you ,dont yoou think this would be better for linux |
| 08:48.39 | bob2 | nope |
| 08:48.51 | bob2 | if you do, tell someone who actyally works on and cares about KDE |
| 08:48.56 | bob2 | maybe they'll agree and add it |
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| 08:49.24 | hagisbasheruk | ie like when u install a win prog it askes you do you want a start menu item or a desktoop shoortcut |
| 08:49.48 | bob2 | awesome |
| 08:49.58 | bob2 | if you like that, you can ask the kde people to add that |
| 08:50.06 | bob2 | I don't use menus or kde, so I don't care |
| 08:50.34 | hagisbasheruk | ok well thats fine 4 u but i like KDE |
| 08:50.41 | bob2 | awesome |
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| 08:50.45 | bob2 | so tell the KDE people |
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| 08:50.58 | hagisbasheruk | ok m8 bye the noo |
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| 08:51.12 | bob2 | ah, aol |
| 08:51.14 | bob2 | that explains it |
| 08:51.17 | pureone | hehe |
| 08:51.58 | J-Ph | im trying to gnokii my nokia after succesfull rfcomm connection |
| 08:52.12 | J-Ph | but get errors on ly --listnetworks works |
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| 08:52.59 | pureone | i donno why he dont add the menus him self.... |
| 08:53.03 | mateusz | Can I build package of debootstrap (from unstable) on stable and use it there ? |
| 08:53.23 | J-Ph | anyone want to see my error message? |
| 08:54.02 | bob2 | mateusz: that'll almsot certainly work |
| 08:54.15 | bob2 | mateusz: you can probably just install the sid deboostatr package on stable |
| 08:54.29 | bob2 | J-Ph: asking on the gnokki list would probably be a better bet |
| 08:54.32 | mateusz | bob2: ok.. thx |
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| 08:56.27 | J-Ph | ok |
| 08:56.42 | J-Ph | im compiling gnocky, maybe that will clear something up too |
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| 09:00.38 | miz | Does firefox saves per-user settings anywhere but in user's homes? It seems that firefox runs fine for any user but my usual one, even though I wiped .mozilla folder in home a few times now |
| 09:01.19 | J-Ph | bob2, no responce on the #gnokii channel yet, but thanks for the tip |
| 09:01.27 | Maakuth | its .mozilla-firefox |
| 09:01.32 | dondelelcaro | miz: have you killed off the running firefox processes before doing that? |
| 09:01.42 | dondelelcaro | Maakuth: actually, it's often .mozilla/firefox |
| 09:01.43 | bob2 | J-Ph: list, not channel |
| 09:02.01 | Maakuth | in debian? |
| 09:02.09 | J-Ph | bob2, lol ok |
| 09:02.09 | miz | I think so, top wouldn't show it |
| 09:02.17 | dondelelcaro | miz: yes. |
| 09:02.22 | dondelelcaro | miz: ps axfu|grep firefox; |
| 09:02.35 | dondelelcaro | s/miz: yes/Maakuth: yes/ |
| 09:02.48 | Maakuth | oho |
| 09:03.06 | dondelelcaro | or at the very least, that's what it is here. |
| 09:03.46 | miz | miz 2515 0.0 0.1 3548 256 pts/1 R+ 12:05 0:00 \_ grep firefox :\ |
| 09:04.30 | dondelelcaro | miz: ok, then strace -f the firefox process to see what it's doing/not doing. |
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| 09:07.53 | miz | Hmm... I can't do strace -f firefox>blah? |
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| 09:08.30 | jim | why? |
| 09:08.38 | jim | man strace |
| 09:08.59 | jim | actually I'm doing that... put it in here by mistake |
| 09:09.10 | dondelelcaro | and read about the -o option... |
| 09:09.24 | dondelelcaro | ala strace -o blah firefix; |
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| 09:09.32 | Eclipser | firefix :p |
| 09:09.39 | jim | that's just write the output to there? |
| 09:09.44 | dondelelcaro | jim: yes. |
| 09:09.46 | Eclipser | yeah |
| 09:09.50 | dondelelcaro | since normally it writes to STDERR |
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| 09:10.09 | jim | gotcha |
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| 09:10.28 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 09:10.37 | Mr | Hi, can someone tell me which program/package I need to install to read ACE-files? |
| 09:10.38 | miz | Hmmk... It seems to loop around now... ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0(newline) poll( <delay here> then some quick text and it comes back to ioctl |
| 09:10.43 | jim | ok, well, as soon as he responds to my question ("why?") we canm start :) |
| 09:11.18 | jim | that seems like it might be the event loop |
| 09:11.18 | miz | Ah |
| 09:11.32 | dondelelcaro | Mr: unace, unimaginatively enough. |
| 09:11.35 | miz | poll seems to trigger when I push keys and mice -.- |
| 09:11.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell Mr -about search |
| 09:12.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: want to listen to my stream music list? |
| 09:12.11 | jim | miz: so yeah, probably one of many event loops |
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| 09:13.15 | Whisky_ | ok. I still can't get my USB card reader to work and mount my memory card :| |
| 09:13.29 | jim | Whisky_: don't give up |
| 09:14.03 | Whisky_ | jim: I don't have a clue what I should do. loaded modules usb-storage and sd_mod, nothing. Can't go further. |
| 09:14.13 | jim | watch your logs (messages, syslog maybe) while plugging and unplugging the device |
| 09:14.39 | jayeola | um, /dev/dsa1 ?? |
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| 09:14.52 | jayeola | oops, /dev/sda1 |
| 09:14.52 | jim | I think you can get the usb stuff to be annoyingly verbose, debug-log-wise |
| 09:15.23 | szzs | hi, which packege should i install to get java based apps (like yahoo.games) running? |
| 09:15.32 | jayeola | i mount mine as /dev/sda1 /media/foo, and they show up with fdisk -l |
| 09:15.37 | jim | so you need java? |
| 09:15.50 | Eclipser | I have a small windows partition (hdc1) but lilo, which is in the MBR of hda, can't load the windows, I can only boot there if I change boot device from bios... so, if I put lilo to hdc's MBR, would it fix the "problem"? |
| 09:15.58 | drac | szzs: Java Runtime Environment (JRE). /msg dpkg java-package, /msg dpkg java |
| 09:16.20 | Whisky_ | by the way, i can't access media:/ :| |
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| 09:17.06 | jim | szzs: the basic process... install java-package, which has a list of compatible java .bins and a script you run... this script will make a debian package from the .bin you get |
| 09:17.14 | Mr | dondelelcaro: thanks, unace is installed now. how to use unace now? |
| 09:17.25 | jim | then you install the debian package of the java you just packaged |
| 09:17.29 | jayeola | Whisky_: don't listen to me, i'm a noob in geek's clothing. but when i plug in a usb storage device, they show up with fdisk -l |
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| 09:17.47 | dondelelcaro | Mr: man unace; presumbably unace foofile.ace; but you can read the documentation as well as I can |
| 09:17.47 | jim | then you should be able to run some things java :) |
| 09:17.48 | jayeola | and i do that as root |
| 09:17.52 | szzs | drac, jim thanks for the help |
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| 09:18.12 | Mr | dondelelcaro: OK, thanks I will read it |
| 09:18.21 | ktech^^ | Hi |
| 09:18.22 | jim | szzs, stick around in case you need more help while you're trying to do it |
| 09:18.26 | Whisky_ | nothing for me :[ |
| 09:18.40 | jim | Whisky_: nothing shows up in logs? |
| 09:18.43 | ktech^^ | Could anyone help me, how to install cinelerra on Debian 3.1? |
| 09:18.53 | Whisky_ | checking....\ |
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| 09:19.05 | JediMaster | argh, just rebooted a remote server (100 miles away) and get: "pivot_root: no such file or directory.... /sbin/init: 426: cannot open dev/console: no such file... kernel panic: attempted to kill init! |
| 09:19.14 | jim | Whisky_, do you know how to watch the action of logs? |
| 09:19.31 | Whisky_ | no, i can just read them :| |
| 09:19.53 | jim | looks like yer driving 100 miles... hate it when that happens... |
| 09:19.53 | JediMaster | I've had this before on loads of debian servers, and I can't for the life of me remember what was wrong, trouble is, this is the network router for 30 servers lol |
| 09:19.53 | streuner_ | JediMaster: and you did something to reboot the box before? |
| 09:20.03 | JediMaster | jim: I have remote KVM access to the keyboard/video/mouse =) |
| 09:20.05 | jim | they have no console interface? |
| 09:20.13 | jim | oh you do |
| 09:20.14 | JediMaster | streuner_: apt-get upgrade |
| 09:20.16 | jim | good good |
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| 09:20.44 | Whisky_ | brb |
| 09:20.44 | jim | you are hereby demoted to a JediMister |
| 09:20.46 | streuner_ | JediMaster: well, read the article in debian-adminstriation.org for future |
| 09:20.49 | JediMaster | ah yes, it has SATA hard drives if that makes any difference |
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| 09:21.30 | JediMaster | *few* ctrl-alt-del works =) |
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| 09:21.57 | jim | well what were you trying to do with it? |
| 09:22.06 | JediMaster | boot? =) |
| 09:22.06 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: yeah, usually that happens when the root you're trying to pivot_root to doesn't exist either because you haven't built in udev support, or the kernel you're running doesn't have SATA support. |
| 09:22.14 | cyzie | can i tail ( or any other way) to see the the bandwidth of the interface? for example, i wanna see the Kbps of the ppp (adsl connection) |
| 09:22.24 | dondelelcaro | cyzie: try ntop or similar |
| 09:22.37 | jayeola | ok, i always seem to get this worng. when building a kernel, does a box with a single hdd need raid? i don't think so... |
| 09:22.42 | Eclipser | 12:22 -!- Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 1019787 secs |
| 09:22.44 | Eclipser | o.O; |
| 09:22.45 | JediMaster | dondelelcaro: I didn't upgrade the kernel unless the apt-get upgrade did? |
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| 09:22.57 | jim | later debian install kernels with initrd needs udev? |
| 09:23.17 | dondelelcaro | jim: devfs iirc. |
| 09:23.47 | jim | either one work? or just devfs? |
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| 09:23.58 | mwilson | Installer kernels are devfs. |
| 09:24.02 | JediMaster | *few* the 2.4 kernel boots, but 2.6.8-1 won't |
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| 09:24.05 | mwilson | But no one stays with an installer kernel. :) |
| 09:24.34 | elazreg | hello all |
| 09:24.47 | jim | the kernel-image packages that are in the archive are all installer kernels aren't they? or at least potentially so? |
| 09:24.49 | Morti | JediMaster: "phew", surely? |
| 09:24.53 | elazreg | i have unable to lock password file when a useradd what is this ? |
| 09:24.57 | mwilson | jim: No. |
| 09:25.15 | JediMaster | Morti: hmm yeah probably, close enough, sounds the same =) |
| 09:25.25 | mwilson | elazreg: You have to be root to use useradd. Not that you should be using useradd in any case. |
| 09:25.29 | Morti | :-P |
| 09:25.35 | jim | so you're referring to just the ones that were actually joined with an installer? |
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| 09:25.40 | streuner_ | JediMaster: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/70 |
| 09:25.44 | mwilson | jim: Yes. |
| 09:26.08 | mwilson | jim: The Sarge installer kernel uses devfs, for some silly reason. |
| 09:26.31 | jim | could it use udev just as easily? drop-in replacement? |
| 09:26.51 | mwilson | Why would you want it to? |
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| 09:27.12 | jim | I'm curious, because someone brought up udev before |
| 09:27.20 | JediMaster | streuner_: nice article |
| 09:27.20 | mwilson | You have a burning need to have persistent naming on removable media during install? |
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| 09:27.35 | jim | not necessarily ;) |
| 09:27.45 | mwilson | udev has no other practical use. |
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| 09:28.15 | szzs | jim: i downloaded earlier jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin from the orig webpage and executed it. install was completed succesfully but i still cant run java apps. i have to install it also the "debian way"? |
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| 09:28.16 | jim | how do they get the persistance? |
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| 09:29.04 | streuner_ | JediMaster: yeah, pretty helpful |
| 09:29.24 | jim | szzs: well the truth is I'm not familiar enough with the process to say... but, where did it install? |
| 09:29.30 | mwilson | jim: By symlinking names like /dev/usbkey to whatever the actual device is. |
| 09:29.57 | landon| | hi guys. does anybody here use syslog-ng in place of the default logger? |
| 09:30.00 | jim | can you run "java"? |
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| 09:30.16 | elazreg | when i did a useradd -d /home/siteftp virtuelftp , i don't have siteftp directory in my /home |
| 09:30.35 | mwilson | elazreg: Why are you using useradd? |
| 09:30.38 | jim | you wouldn't have javac in your jre... would only be in a jdk |
| 09:30.54 | elazreg | mwilson: for create my virtual user for vsftp |
| 09:31.19 | jim | elazreg: useradd is probably a more core-level tool... you can use it if you want, but check the man page, and look at all the -options |
| 09:31.23 | JediMaster | does the default 2.6.x kernel make SATA drives appear as scsi drives or IDE? |
| 09:31.41 | jim | do that part now, look at the man page and the -options |
| 09:31.54 | jim | you'll see something there that you need :) |
| 09:32.45 | szzs | jim: ive just noticed it that it installed itself into some earlier backup folder of winos what i had. in /home/gr/backup/Program Files/Java/jre1.5.0_04/bin/ |
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| 09:33.18 | szzs | jim: yes, i can run java, it gives me an usage screen |
| 09:33.28 | jim | hmm, that's good |
| 09:34.04 | jim | if that's the case you might be set... |
| 09:34.14 | jim | can you run appletviewer |
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| 09:34.51 | szzs | jim: no, command not found |
| 09:34.59 | jim | hmm, interesting |
| 09:35.11 | jim | "which java" |
| 09:35.29 | szzs | http://www.java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp the 2nd one |
| 09:35.47 | jim | run that |
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| 09:35.51 | jim | which java |
| 09:35.58 | jim | should produce one line |
| 09:36.18 | jim | starting with a /... so put a space first or something to put it to us here |
| 09:36.40 | szzs | jim: /usr/bin/java |
| 09:36.47 | jim | hmmm |
| 09:36.57 | jim | ls -l /usr/bin/java |
| 09:37.10 | jim | looking for the date and the first char of that... |
| 09:37.16 | jim | is it a - or l? |
| 09:37.17 | szzs | jim: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2005-07-28 09:56 /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java |
| 09:37.29 | jim | so it's l |
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| 09:37.35 | szzs | jim: yes |
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| 09:37.40 | jim | ls -l /etc/alternatives/java |
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| 09:37.57 | jim | it looks like you have a jdk or jre package installed |
| 09:38.11 | szzs | jim: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2005-07-28 09:56 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/bin/jamvm |
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| 09:38.41 | jim | ls -l /usr/bin/jamvm |
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| 09:39.03 | szzs | jim: i follow the installation instructions what i found on http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting ill get back to you later |
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| 09:39.14 | trueno | Anyone has had problems with apt-get update? |
| 09:39.22 | trueno | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) |
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| 09:39.41 | amorph | hi guys |
| 09:39.59 | amorph | is there a way to do a right-click if you mouse cant do it |
| 09:40.16 | Stormchaser | hi! Waht should I install to get X.Org development libraries / includes? |
| 09:40.17 | jim | szzs: it -seems- like you have a jre installed as a debian package |
| 09:40.20 | amorph | *r |
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| 09:40.52 | amorph | i have no right-click on my Wacom graphics pad and need to right click to bring a menu up in xawtv |
| 09:41.28 | Stormchaser | Ack. |
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| 09:41.46 | amorph | oh dear |
| 09:41.57 | amorph | i wonder where my right-click went to |
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| 09:44.21 | amorph | hi |
| 09:46.28 | jayeola | gpm-mouse-test?? |
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| 09:46.43 | Eclipser | my etch broke, ah well, I was going to reinstall it for fun anyway |
| 09:46.46 | jayeola | dunno. sure there are better/other ways |
| 09:46.52 | amorph | hey my mouse works |
| 09:47.00 | amorph | but right click does not in X |
| 09:47.13 | Eclipser | what wm? |
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| 09:47.20 | amorph | KDE |
| 09:47.26 | deadcat | kde is DM |
| 09:47.30 | amorph | ok |
| 09:47.36 | amorph | kdm |
| 09:47.57 | Eclipser | my enlightenment menus sometimes broke and it seemed that my right click didn't work |
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| 09:48.01 | Eclipser | so I was just wondeirng |
| 09:48.07 | amorph | oh thats interesting |
| 09:48.11 | amorph | do you use a regular mouse? |
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| 09:48.37 | Eclipser | with two buttons and a scrollerthingie, yeah |
| 09:48.52 | amorph | i have a wacom serial pad which seems to work fine on my laptop and does have right-click, allbeit only in certain apps |
| 09:49.14 | Eonn | can anyone explain the numbers shown in the output of the 'lsmod' command (e.g does 0 = not active) ??? |
| 09:49.26 | amorph | has anyone noticed a problem with Mozilla where the search box doesnt allow text input sometimes and the text appears to go into an application in the background instead? |
| 09:49.41 | amorph | this may not be specific to Mozilla but rather a window management problem in kde |
| 09:49.57 | Eclipser | Eonn, it means how many other modules use that module |
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| 09:50.03 | Eclipser | or apps, I think :) |
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| 09:50.25 | Eonn | Eclipser - ah okay.... so every module listed is active within the kernel? |
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| 09:51.04 | Eclipser | well, they might not do something at certain times but yeah |
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| 09:51.15 | Eclipser | they do something when they're needed |
| 09:51.36 | Eonn | amorph - if your using Firefox some of the code from 1.1 accidently made its way into version 1.4 (Mozilla has stated that they will recorrect this with version 1.5) |
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| 09:52.40 | Eonn | Eclipser - great thanks. Im comparing the lsmod command on my laptop with the 2.4 and 2.6 version to see if I can determin why my sound has suddenly stopped. Have a feeling it is using the newer sound engine |
| 09:52.57 | Eclipser | -> sauna |
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| 09:58.41 | colde89 | cold create my raid0-device with: mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l 1 -n 2 /dev/hda8 /dev/hdc7. But when i stop the device with mdadm -S, i cold not restart the device with mdadm -R ( no such device). any idea? |
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| 09:59.25 | naddar | i have sound but if i play a audio cd sound dont work! anyone? |
| 09:59.39 | vekpos | hello! i want to use a shellscript for knowing, if there are files in a directory or not. whats the code for this? |
| 09:59.41 | pirre | naddar: aumix? |
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| 10:00.03 | pirre | vekpos: google.com bash scripting guide |
| 10:00.11 | naddar | kscd i use to play it |
| 10:00.12 | vekpos | ok... |
| 10:00.28 | ulme | anyone her have any info about when the mod15write patches are adopted to the official release? |
| 10:00.37 | ulme | kernel release i mean |
| 10:00.47 | nvz | damn.. what an exausting night of trying to party that was |
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| 10:01.10 | nvz | just now last person left. I guess thats what happens when you dont manage to get started till 2am |
| 10:01.30 | ulme | patches and reviews are on kernel mailing lists, but no information about when we will they be accepted finally |
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| 10:02.31 | naddar | pirre: you know how to fix it |
| 10:02.46 | nvz | I dont think I've ever really relaxed and kicked it with friends for four hours before, much less from 2am-6am |
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| 10:03.10 | nvz | guess its easier to hang out at your own house 8P |
| 10:03.15 | cahoot | nvz: you're bent on keeping this OT? |
| 10:03.24 | Yevgeniy | please eholp : I'm installing firefox, but it won't let me create a profile in my home dir |
| 10:03.42 | naddar | i have sound but if i play a audio cd sound dont work! anyone? |
| 10:03.45 | nkuttler | Yevgeniy: why not? |
| 10:03.49 | nvz | cahoot: everyone's gone.. nobody said anything I can answer or talk about 8P |
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| 10:04.13 | nvz | I'm probably going to pass out as soon as I get my ass up and go to bed |
| 10:04.22 | Yevgeniy | nkuttler: it generates an error |
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| 10:04.43 | nkuttler | !tell Yevgeniy about errors |
| 10:04.50 | ulme | i have 2 production servers with blacklisted disks, kinda bad sequence of events for me, i select hardware known to work, then kernel is updated, it doesn't work anymore, then i see patches are available but are not moving to vanilla trees |
| 10:05.06 | Yevgeniy | "the folder couldn't be created, the folder is probably not writable |
| 10:05.19 | nkuttler | Yevgeniy: try mkdir ~/.mozilla |
| 10:05.36 | nkuttler | or is it ~/.firefox? |
| 10:05.45 | J-Ph | mozilla |
| 10:05.47 | Yevgeniy | does it matter? |
| 10:05.50 | Yevgeniy | it exists |
| 10:06.05 | nvz | ulme: that doesnt make sense to me.. if you used vanilla source you wouldnt have patches. |
| 10:06.06 | nkuttler | Yevgeniy: ls -lad .mozilla |
| 10:06.15 | J-Ph | try using midnight commander to view also hidden . files |
| 10:06.32 | jim | if it exists it might have stiff in it (maybe you might also have the other one) |
| 10:07.07 | nvz | ulme: you can apt-get install source packages and all the needed build tools b-e k-p fakeroot..etc and patch and make your own kernel package or just keep the kernel that works and then if needed you would have to continually security patch it |
| 10:07.13 | nvz | ulme: take your pick 8P |
| 10:07.13 | Yevgeniy | drwx------ 10 gil gil 4096 2005-07-30 02:44 .mozilla |
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| 10:07.28 | messiah | hey guys |
| 10:07.28 | nkuttler | Yevgeniy: well, just move it out of the way and try again |
| 10:07.34 | messiah | i'm having a sound problem |
| 10:07.49 | messiah | i'm trying to install the alsa drivers |
| 10:07.59 | ulme | nvz: well the fixes will be accepted and adopted into the official kernel sooner or later, what concerns me is that it seems to happen later rather than sooner |
| 10:08.03 | nvz | I've never heard of hardware that was supported being suddenly unsupported but that is pretty fucked up |
| 10:08.05 | messiah | but it can't find version.h |
| 10:08.31 | liable | messiah: um, are you trying to compile it? |
| 10:08.41 | Yevgeniy | nkuttler: I did try away. it doesn't have problem installing anywhere, but it won't make a new profile |
| 10:08.46 | messiah | yes i am, sorry, i'm a newbie |
| 10:08.49 | liable | messiah: what kernel? |
| 10:08.54 | liable | 2.4? |
| 10:08.57 | nvz | ulme: you could always do what I said, and then send your package to the kernel maintainer for debian and tell his ass, he should be including support for this hardware |
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| 10:09.09 | messiah | erm, i don't know, i just downloaded the sarge net install |
| 10:09.20 | liable | messiah: what kind of processor do you have? |
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| 10:09.26 | messiah | AMDK6-400 Mhz |
| 10:09.40 | ulme | nvz: silicon image sataraid controller used some older sata driver before that worked. now that driver is obsolete and new driver is sata_lib which has the "mod15write bug" |
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| 10:09.55 | ulme | so my disks are blacklisted and thus have no DMA |
| 10:10.15 | notty | i have a little problem with apache.. i want the access.log file to be readeble by all users, how can i do that ? |
| 10:10.30 | ulme | if i unblacklist them and rebuild the kernel, i risk sata driver hangup and data loss |
| 10:10.40 | nvz | ulme: why did you upgrade to a kernel that doesnt properly support your hardware? there is more than one stable tree you can pull from. |
| 10:10.44 | liable | messiah: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 10:11.29 | liable | messiah: I dont know if there is a specific kernel for k6, but you can always install the 2.6 i386 image |
| 10:11.46 | messiah | ok i'll try that, and then it should work? |
| 10:11.48 | nkuttler | notty: i guess logrotate sets those permissions |
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| 10:12.11 | nvz | I am surely more tired than hungry right now.. and I should probably get some sleep before its the other way around and I can't do anything about it cause I am ready to pass out, heh |
| 10:12.19 | liable | messiah: apt-get install a 2.6 kernel, and alsa-base, then reboot and come back |
| 10:12.39 | liable | messiah: do you know if your sound card is supported? |
| 10:12.56 | messiah | yes it is supported by alsa |
| 10:13.01 | notty | nkuttler: thanx a lot i found it |
| 10:13.04 | Yevgeniy | right |
| 10:13.48 | nvz | I take that as he upgraded his kernel for no good reason and doesnt really want to do anything about it. |
| 10:13.58 | Yevgeniy | I can apt-get firefox 1.0.4 , can I expect 1.0.6 to be included in near future? |
| 10:14.03 | liable | messiah: k, install and come back. |
| 10:14.17 | nvz | thats totally not how things work in the linux world. if people don |
| 10:14.17 | nkuttler | Yevgeniy: in sarge? |
| 10:14.17 | messiah | ok, thanks! |
| 10:14.31 | nvz | 't care to do something about it... it will never happen |
| 10:15.03 | Yevgeniy | nkuttler, yes |
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| 10:15.21 | nkuttler | Yevgeniy: no, stable only gets bugfixes |
| 10:15.36 | renegad3 | when doing a dpkg -l, how could I make the colum wider so I can see the package name... I have done this once before but have forgoten how to :( I used something along the lines of 'COLWIDTH=125 dpkg -l packagename' |
| 10:15.55 | jim | COLUMNS? |
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| 10:16.14 | ma3x | yo dudes |
| 10:16.16 | renegad3 | ta :) |
| 10:16.18 | ma3x | i got a serious problem over here |
| 10:16.26 | Yevgeniy | nkuttler, I believe 1.0.6 has security updates |
| 10:16.33 | ma3x | i've deleted my partition, then made a new one, and copied over the backup data |
| 10:16.36 | nkuttler | Yevgeniy: the get backported |
| 10:16.41 | J-Ph | to all: how come some directories in my vfat partition are not writable? :s |
| 10:16.45 | ma3x | and now when i boot, GRUB says error 22 |
| 10:16.49 | ma3x | what the heck is that? |
| 10:16.58 | jim | file not found? |
| 10:16.59 | ma3x | and i changed the menu.lst in /boot/grub |
| 10:17.04 | nvz | ma3x: I'd read the grub manual or google |
| 10:17.14 | Yevgeniy | bleh |
| 10:17.17 | ma3x | beacuse before i erase the partition it was /dev/hda2 |
| 10:17.17 | Yevgeniy | ok thanks |
| 10:17.20 | ma3x | now its hda1 |
| 10:17.21 | nkuttler | J-Ph: as root too? |
| 10:17.28 | ma3x | and i've already updated that in the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 10:17.32 | ma3x | but still won't boot! |
| 10:17.40 | ma3x | any help is highly appreciated! |
| 10:17.54 | J-Ph | nkuttler, dr-xr-xr-x 17 root root 16384 2005-05-20 04:07 /home/jph/data/JPh/ looks like it |
| 10:17.58 | nkuttler | ma3x: um, did you make that tar backup? |
| 10:18.04 | ma3x | nkuttler, correct! |
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| 10:18.24 | J-Ph | but some direcotires in that directory are writable for normal user |
| 10:18.26 | nkuttler | ma3x: um... i don't think tar is supposed to make a / backup, too many special files |
| 10:18.33 | spunz | anyone using the "mpcli" command util for ibm server? |
| 10:18.46 | ma3x | nkuttler, help me out with GRUB it won't boot my debian |
| 10:18.46 | jim | !anyone |
| 10:18.46 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:18.51 | nkuttler | J-Ph: should be drwx at least |
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| 10:19.21 | J-Ph | nkuttler, yes at least... but how come? you wanna see my fstab setting? |
| 10:19.28 | liable | ma3x: so you have run grub-install? |
| 10:19.42 | liable | ma3x: can you chroot into it? |
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| 10:19.49 | nkuttler | J-Ph: man mount, fstab, loog for devuid and vfat options |
| 10:20.00 | nkuttler | s/loog/look/ |
| 10:20.13 | szzs | jim: it didnt work, i followed instructions from the sun webpage, and no results. i remember back i tried to install java earlier and installed the package "jamvm". now i removed it. i try with that version of yours and did msg dpkg here. it told me to install "java-package" and i should make sure that i have contrib in my sources list. well i have that and it still gives me the error msg Couldn't find package java-package. what should i do? |
| 10:20.50 | Overand | did you do an apt-get update? |
| 10:20.51 | ma3x | liable i am now on rescue CD |
| 10:20.53 | J-Ph | nkuttler, i'll try that, but strange enough my vfat partitions on my usb devices work properly without any settings |
| 10:20.54 | ma3x | what should i do? |
| 10:20.56 | szzs | Overand: yes |
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| 10:21.08 | Overand | well do an apt-cache search java |
| 10:21.10 | Overand | or java-package |
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| 10:21.16 | Overand | maybe the name is slightly different |
| 10:21.16 | ma3x | can i run grub-install from the rescue cd? |
| 10:21.42 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: hi. how are you? |
| 10:21.45 | liable | ma3x: yes |
| 10:21.54 | jim | szzs: you probably just have main in your sources.list... java-package is in contrib, not main |
| 10:22.24 | J-Ph | nkuttler, devuid you said? |
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| 10:22.39 | ma3x | liable : and what option do i supply ? |
| 10:22.49 | J-Ph | nksen, cant find any doing man mount | grep devuid |
| 10:22.59 | J-Ph | nkuttler, not nksen |
| 10:22.59 | jim | ma3x: check man page and see |
| 10:23.16 | szzs | Overand: well i found the problem. i had contrib only in the security updates. now it works |
| 10:23.46 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: not perfect. getting better, being bitter |
| 10:24.01 | Fox_1_ | why? |
| 10:24.14 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: not in here. but what about yourself? |
| 10:24.23 | liable | ma3x: firstly, is the partition mounted? |
| 10:24.24 | Fox_1_ | normal:) |
| 10:24.35 | Fox_1_ | listen whis ChanServ? |
| 10:24.38 | ma3x | liable, yes under /mnt/hda1 |
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| 10:24.42 | Fox_1_ | listen who is ChanServ? |
| 10:24.52 | liable | ma3x: can you chroot into it? |
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| 10:25.19 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: as i see he/she in all channels |
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| 10:25.41 | ma3x | root@1[knoppix]# chroot /mnt/hda1 |
| 10:25.41 | ma3x | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 10:25.51 | nkuttler | J-Ph: man mount, search fat... |
| 10:26.33 | liable | ma3x: hmm, k, what happens if you type 'grub' |
| 10:26.34 | nkuttler | tarzeau: moin |
| 10:26.47 | ma3x | Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. |
| 10:26.49 | landon| | hi guys. does anybody here use syslog-ng in place of the default logger? |
| 10:26.51 | szzs | jim: i installed java-packages. whats the next step? |
| 10:26.57 | ma3x | ok now i got the grub promt > |
| 10:27.05 | szzs | jim: java-package |
| 10:27.12 | liable | ma3x: k, next type 'root (hd0,0) |
| 10:27.13 | ma3x | what should i type inthere liable? |
| 10:27.15 | ma3x | ok |
| 10:27.25 | liable | ma3x: setup (hd0) |
| 10:27.27 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.34 | jim | szzs: check to see if your .bin file is in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
| 10:27.36 | liable | ma3x: quit |
| 10:27.36 | ma3x | ok ,Done. |
| 10:27.49 | Fox_1_ | anyone know who is ChanServ? |
| 10:27.50 | jim | szzs: then, man make-jpkg |
| 10:27.50 | liable | ma3x: now cross fingers.. |
| 10:27.56 | ma3x | is that all? |
| 10:28.00 | ma3x | hehehe |
| 10:28.05 | ma3x | ok, i'll reboot and check |
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| 10:28.12 | ma3x | thanks buddy! |
| 10:28.22 | jim | Fox_1_: I thought for -sure- you were chanserv! |
| 10:28.34 | jim | you're not chanserv? |
| 10:29.09 | Fox_1_ | jim: here in channel i see nick ChanServ. |
| 10:29.41 | Fox_1_ | jim: as i understand it's bot. |
| 10:29.46 | shingouz | Fox_1_: chanserv is a bot |
| 10:30.05 | mithi | Hi. ... I have 2 Questions: Is there any kernel-sources package for the kernel 2.6.12.3 and do I need to make kernel_headers deb file when i build a new kernel? |
| 10:30.32 | Fox_1_ | now I what that chanserv be in my channel too. |
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| 10:30.33 | JediMaster | Fox_1_: chanserv does stuff like automatically Op'ing people, banning people, changing topics etc |
| 10:30.54 | liable | mithi: yes from kernel.org, and no, they are done when you build it. |
| 10:30.56 | TBBle | linux-source-2.6.12 includes 2.6.12.3's changes that are appropriate, as I recall. And you don't need to make a kernel_headers deb, but if you do, you don't need to keep the compiled kernel source around to build modules. |
| 10:31.10 | JediMaster | Fox_1_: type: /msg ChanServ HELP |
| 10:31.18 | TBBle | Out of tree modules, I mean. |
| 10:31.19 | mithi | liable, thx |
| 10:31.28 | Fox_1_ | ok i'll try. |
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| 10:31.35 | tarzeau | moin nkuttler |
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| 10:32.57 | J-Ph | nkuttler, i see the fat section but no info about your devuid, check= option ? |
| 10:33.16 | mithi | liable, hm but there is only inux-2.6.12.3.tar.bz2 no kernel-source-2.6.12.3 |
| 10:33.42 | jim | then perhaps that version has not been packaged for debian yet? |
| 10:33.43 | liable | mithi: that is the kernel source. |
| 10:34.05 | liable | 2.6.12-1 is, but not 3 |
| 10:34.36 | nkuttler | J-Ph: yeah, uid, umask etc, did you read the options? |
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| 10:34.47 | liable | mithi: why do you need to build it? |
| 10:34.52 | colde89 | cold create my raid0-device with: mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l 1 -n 2 /dev/hda8 /dev/hdc7. But when i stop the device with mdadm -S, i cold not restart the device with mdadm -R ( no such device). any idea? |
| 10:34.55 | mithi | liable, ah, ok i thought that package is not the same like kernel-source from debian ^^ |
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| 10:35.19 | liable | mithi: its not the same, debian one are patched.. |
| 10:35.20 | mithi | liable, i already built it ^^ |
| 10:35.21 | ma3x | liable, only got to the next step |
| 10:35.32 | liable | ma3x: whats that? |
| 10:35.39 | ma3x | now it says: root (hd0,1) error 22: no such partition |
| 10:35.50 | ma3x | probably it doesn't detect /dev/hda1 |
| 10:35.53 | mithi | liable, that's what i mean. i try about 3 days to install my ati driver and i try everything :/ |
| 10:35.57 | landon| | hi guys. does anybody here use syslog-ng in place of the default logger? |
| 10:36.08 | J-Ph | nkuttler, yep i did |
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| 10:36.25 | liable | ma3x: oh. what exactly have you replaced? |
| 10:36.30 | J-Ph | strange thing is that some a writable some not....if they all were not writable it would be logic to me |
| 10:36.42 | nkuttler | J-Ph: ah, i didn't get that part |
| 10:36.59 | J-Ph | i tried codepage=850 |
| 10:37.03 | J-Ph | added utf8 |
| 10:37.03 | ma3x | liable, i backed up my /dev/hda2 and then deleted everything, and made a new partition /dev/hda1 and restored everything there |
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| 10:37.47 | liable | ma3x: what does fdisk -l say? |
| 10:37.49 | nkuttler | J-Ph: hm, what happens when you touch one of those files? |
| 10:38.51 | ma3x | liable, nothing |
| 10:39.00 | J-Ph | not permitted |
| 10:39.04 | ma3x | liable, maybe first i should mount /dev/hda1 and then fdisk -l |
| 10:39.18 | liable | ma3x: you must have made a mistake when making the filesystem or something. |
| 10:39.22 | nkuttler | J-Ph: can't you chmod +w it? |
| 10:39.33 | liable | ma3x: heh, yeah that might help :P |
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| 10:39.54 | J-Ph | is it possible to chmod vfat?:s |
| 10:40.04 | nkuttler | J-Ph: well, i dont think, but try |
| 10:40.09 | ma3x | liable, it didnt help |
| 10:40.17 | nkuttler | J-Ph: are there some unusaual charactery in the filename? |
| 10:40.20 | J-Ph | hmmm i did |
| 10:40.24 | ma3x | liable, can i paste my /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst on pastebin.com? |
| 10:40.39 | J-Ph | wel just the name 'JPh' and 'Progz' |
| 10:40.49 | J-Ph | so if capitalized caracters are strange;;;yes |
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| 10:41.14 | J-Ph | JPh was in the passed my documents directory |
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| 10:41.31 | nunurs | hi |
| 10:41.44 | liable | ma3x: you can mount it, but fdisk doesnt show anything? |
| 10:42.04 | J-Ph | after chmod i cant still "touch" it |
| 10:42.06 | liable | ma3x: you can look through it all ok? |
| 10:42.42 | nkuttler | J-Ph: that's really odd... can you cp the file to a different name? |
| 10:42.53 | liable | ma3x: I think you have made a boo boo with making the filesystem or something. |
| 10:42.56 | ma3x | liable, i see this when i type mount /UNIONFS/dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
| 10:43.10 | ma3x | i don't know why it doesnt show it in fdisk |
| 10:43.14 | ma3x | maybe because im on knoppix now |
| 10:43.25 | liable | no |
| 10:43.32 | J-Ph | nksen, as normal user i can open files in those directory, put not modify them or copy paste |
| 10:43.35 | JediMaster | well sorted that booting problem, it's because the server was setup with 2.4.x kernel so the kopt line in grub's menu.conf had hdc1 as the boot device rather than sda1 as it's a SATA drive and 2.6.x kernel see them as SCSI devices not IDE |
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| 10:43.45 | J-Ph | nkuttler, sorry nksen |
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| 10:43.50 | JediMaster | and the kernel upgrade overwrote the config file and put hdc1 in instead |
| 10:44.12 | J-Ph | i dont understand it either...brain fµcker for me (excuse my english) |
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| 10:44.25 | J-Ph | otherwise i'm gonna convert it to ext3 or reiser |
| 10:44.28 | mithi | when i want to uninstall everything of ati and fglrx, then is it enough when i remove the /libmodules/fglrx and /usr/share/fglrx directories? |
| 10:44.29 | liable | ma3x: can you browse it all ok? |
| 10:44.29 | J-Ph | (if possible) |
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| 10:44.40 | J-Ph | cause i hate m$ more and more lol |
| 10:44.43 | Simplexe | hi |
| 10:44.52 | landon| | hi guys. does anybody here use syslog-ng in place of the default logger? |
| 10:44.55 | ma3x | liable, i can browse all the files in /mnt/hda1 yes |
| 10:45.17 | ma3x | liable, http://pastebin.com/325351 |
| 10:45.26 | Simplexe | i wanna transerf data between a FC and a DEBIAN how can i do it ?? |
| 10:45.39 | liable | ma3x: I dont really know actually, but am thinking partition table is dodgy. |
| 10:45.41 | nkuttler | Simplexe: what kind of data? |
| 10:45.55 | Simplexe | .tar.gz nkuttler |
| 10:46.16 | nkuttler | Simplexe: scp |
| 10:46.16 | J-Ph | nkuttler, here is my fstab line: /dev/hda8 /home/jph/data vfat defaults,rw,user,dev,auto,utf8,fmask=007,dmask=007,umask=0000 0 0 |
| 10:46.16 | J-Ph | any idea? |
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| 10:46.35 | J-Ph | some parameters are useless maybe |
| 10:46.36 | nkuttler | J-Ph: not if it's only specific files you can write |
| 10:46.37 | ma3x | liable, please take a look at that url |
| 10:46.46 | ma3x | and tell me if fstab or menu.lst is wrong setup |
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| 10:47.00 | J-Ph | nkuttler,ok |
| 10:47.03 | liable | ma3x: um, root should be 0,0 |
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| 10:47.26 | J-Ph | nkuttler, are there conversion programs to make it ext3 or reiser? |
| 10:47.27 | tracysun | hi,all |
| 10:47.27 | ma3x | liable, this one root (hd0,1) ? |
| 10:47.45 | liable | ma3x: yeah |
| 10:47.54 | ma3x | could that be the possible error22 ? |
| 10:47.58 | nkuttler | J-Ph: cp, mkfs, cp? |
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| 10:48.19 | Simplexe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.30 | liable | ma3x: quite likely as hda2 doesnt exist. |
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| 10:48.35 | J-Ph | nkuttler, i'll have to free up some space then hehe |
| 10:48.38 | Simplexe | nkuttler : scp ?? |
| 10:49.04 | nkuttler | Simplexe: are the two machines one a network? |
| 10:49.11 | Simplexe | yes |
| 10:49.20 | J-Ph | nkuttler, could it be a codepage setting? tried 850 |
| 10:49.25 | szzs | jim: thanks it worked. now i got them running. i followed instructions from man-jpkg then installed the .deb package then i HAD to restart the browser and thats it |
| 10:49.30 | nkuttler | Simplexe: man scp, apt-get install openssh-client |
| 10:49.34 | Vyrus001 | how do i tell fluxbox to load wmdoc apps on startup? i have made an .xinit file in my home dir but nothing on that file is loaded when i start fluxbox? |
| 10:49.38 | mithi | when i want to uninstall everything of ati and fglrx, then is it enough when i remove the /libmodules/fglrx and /usr/share/fglrx directories? |
| 10:49.44 | Simplexe | okay nkuttler :) thx |
| 10:49.47 | J-Ph | nkuttler, ah! |
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| 10:50.13 | J-Ph | nkuttler, with codepage=850 and removing defaults, one directory is writable... but not the other...ROFL |
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| 10:50.34 | J-Ph | nkuttler, but now the subdirs are not writable...*sigh* |
| 10:50.46 | J-Ph | why dont they just shoot me in the head lol |
| 10:50.55 | mithi | ^ |
| 10:50.59 | tracysun | how to install bsp |
| 10:51.19 | nkuttler | J-Ph: hm, for fat i simply have /dev/hde1 /mnt/hde1 vfat defaults,user,noexec,noauto |
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| 10:51.51 | J-Ph | nkuttler, i'll try that, noexec havent try that yet ...i think after all settings |
| 10:52.12 | nkuttler | J-Ph: that one shouldn't matter |
| 10:52.27 | X360 | I know this mightnd be the best channel to ask in, but Can anyone help, How do i ??compile?? mod_php4.c .. to make it mod_php4.so? |
| 10:52.42 | idis | Simplexe: openssh-client is sid only, you may prefer stable ssh package |
| 10:53.03 | J-Ph | nkuttler, your setting make it even worse the whole partition is not writable now |
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| 10:53.19 | J-Ph | nkuttler, could it be the 0 0 at the end :s? |
| 10:53.34 | J-Ph | dump and pass |
| 10:54.49 | J-Ph | tracysun, whazzup? CTCP is fine to you? |
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| 10:55.16 | liable | !vfatrw |
| 10:55.16 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
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| 10:55.49 | tactless | Upon upgrading to xorg, DPMS stopped working (even when using xset dpms force). I'm using the nvidia binaries. Advice? |
| 10:55.51 | liable | J-Ph: ^^ |
| 10:56.07 | liable | tactless: um, dont use sid? :P |
| 10:56.07 | J-Ph | dpkg, I'll buy that for a dollar! |
| 10:56.12 | tracysun | how do you know this |
| 10:57.21 | tracysun | i want to install mpc5200 lite bsp to my PC,but don't know how to do it |
| 10:57.44 | J-Ph | tracysun, ctcp wont install mpc5200 |
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| 10:58.36 | tracysun | whats ctcp |
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| 10:59.33 | J-Ph | tracysun, what you just did to me lol |
| 10:59.38 | TBBle | Client To Client Protocol. It's a way of sending messages from IRC to IRC client. |
| 11:00.25 | shingouz | ctcp versions are also extremely annoying |
| 11:00.34 | tracysun | oh,i dont know,sorry,it just a mistake |
| 11:01.18 | J-Ph | tracysun, no problem or offence taken |
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| 11:01.59 | toad_ | how do i make postfix not try to connect to spamassassin? |
| 11:02.46 | toad_ | there is no mention of "spamassassin" in /etc/postfix |
| 11:02.54 | Yevgeniy | should I use sync/async option when I want to mount ntfs system? I can't really understand what that option means |
| 11:02.58 | toad_ | yet postfix constantly complains that it can't connect to transport spamassassin: |
| 11:03.01 | toad_ | Jul 30 12:02:32 dodo postfix/qmgr[17549]: warning: connect to transport spamassassin: Connection refused |
| 11:03.18 | toad_ | is there some configuration that isn't in /etc/postfix/ ? |
| 11:03.44 | landon| | or, does anyone know how to replace the default logger? |
| 11:03.46 | liable | !ntfsro |
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| 11:04.16 | liable | !ro-ntfs |
| 11:04.16 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 11:04.38 | tracysun | J-Ph,i have problems in linux porting |
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| 11:05.11 | J-Ph | tracysun, i have problems writing in some vfat directories, not all |
| 11:05.33 | J-Ph | let's blow up redmond |
| 11:05.34 | liable | J-Ph: that dpkg factoid didnt help? |
| 11:06.09 | J-Ph | nope |
| 11:06.12 | J-Ph | still same problem |
| 11:06.28 | J-Ph | now subdirs of that dir are not writable |
| 11:06.32 | J-Ph | it displaces the problem |
| 11:06.46 | tracysun | 误会 |
| 11:06.49 | liable | what was your original fstab line? |
| 11:06.53 | Morti | I'm having trouble with a prism2.5-based wireless PCI card. Can't seem to set the ESSID on it at all. I can change modes and the "nick", just not the ESSID, this is using hostap_pci. Any ideas why that would be? |
| 11:06.53 | J-Ph | my usb devices vfats fine |
| 11:07.03 | J-Ph | with rw,user,defaults |
| 11:07.20 | J-Ph | but that damned hda8 partition .... |
| 11:07.34 | spark_ | Hi there, I was wondering: is it allowed to use GPL graphics on a possibly commercial website? |
| 11:07.38 | liable | J-Ph: try just adding umask=000 |
| 11:07.59 | J-Ph | and fmask and dmask? |
| 11:08.04 | liable | J-Ph: no |
| 11:08.28 | J-Ph | removing them? |
| 11:08.57 | Eclipser | is 7GB enough for /? |
| 11:09.09 | liable | J-Ph: umask=022,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,auto,exec,quiet thats what I have. |
| 11:09.52 | J-Ph | liable, umask 000 is same |
| 11:10.03 | J-Ph | i'll try your settings |
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| 11:11.28 | J-Ph | liable, just like nkuttler's setting, now the whole partition is not writable |
| 11:11.30 | liable | Eclipser: I have 10 with the whole system on it, and only 38% used. (not much in /home though) |
| 11:11.48 | liable | J-Ph: weird. |
| 11:11.49 | J-Ph | Eclipser, more then enough |
| 11:11.54 | J-Ph | liable, yes very |
| 11:12.00 | Eclipser | d-i suggests 7GB for /, 111.5GB for /home and 1.5GB swap |
| 11:12.20 | J-Ph | maybe after a meal.... |
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| 11:13.40 | liable | Eclipser: if you have that much disk space, push it out to 10, will be heaps. |
| 11:13.57 | Eclipser | I have a 160GB HD in addition too :) |
| 11:14.00 | liable | Eclipser: but 7 ptolly would be anyway |
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| 11:17.27 | abrotman | you can have 10GB swap with any machine |
| 11:17.38 | toad_ | sure, but it won't use it |
| 11:17.43 | abrotman | you could .... |
| 11:17.53 | toad_ | well not without turning on PAE |
| 11:18.04 | abrotman | PAE is for RAM access |
| 11:18.28 | sciron | Eclipser> it won't matter, lilo will load winderz too |
| 11:18.36 | Eclipser | lilo can't load windows if it's on hda MBR |
| 11:18.52 | abrotman | say waht ? |
| 11:19.00 | TBBle | Put debian-mbr on hda, and lilo on whatever your /boot partition is. |
| 11:19.04 | TBBle | Or use grub. ^_^ |
| 11:19.21 | toad_ | abrotman: yes and the kernel needs the total VM to be under 4GB on 32-bit |
| 11:19.29 | toad_ | doesn't it? |
| 11:19.45 | Eclipser | TBBle, I've always like lilo so :) |
| 11:20.04 | sciron | lilo is kinda flexible, just not somuch so as grub |
| 11:20.39 | liable | grub is nice. less fucking around. |
| 11:20.44 | abrotman | toad_: i always thought PAE was a hardware hack for x86-32 to be able to address more than 4GB .. i didn't think it would affect the kernel swap VM |
| 11:20.47 | sciron | can't do xfs yet |
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| 11:20.49 | sciron | afaik |
| 11:21.09 | Eclipser | erm |
| 11:21.17 | Eclipser | what would be hdc in devfs style names |
| 11:21.23 | sciron | good lord |
| 11:21.25 | abrotman | toad_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAE |
| 11:21.29 | drac | sciron: /lib/grub/i386-pc/xfs_stage1_5, isn't this for booting ? |
| 11:21.47 | toad_ | abrotman: it is... but I always thought RAM+swap must be <4G w/o PAE or 64-bit because it's all mapped in kernel mode |
| 11:21.50 | sciron | drac> heh, the sarge installer warns about xfs & grub, never researched it completely ;) |
| 11:21.51 | abrotman | toad_: i mean .. i'd think that if >4GB swap were a problem .. you'd also have probrlems with large partitions .. but all that said .. i'm no kernel dev |
| 11:22.01 | TBBle | /dev/ide/bus0/host1/disk0/disk or something |
| 11:22.04 | sciron | i wanted to toy with grub since lilo can do things grub can't, and vice versa |
| 11:22.23 | TBBle | I don't remember, I recently gave up my devfs names. |
| 11:22.36 | sciron | devfs should be erradicated from this planet |
| 11:22.40 | sciron | save everyone the headaches |
| 11:22.44 | abrotman | toad_: we should ask a smart person :) |
| 11:22.45 | Eclipser | my guess is /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/disk |
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| 11:22.47 | Eclipser | erm |
| 11:23.05 | toad_ | abrotman: or just try it |
| 11:23.07 | Eclipser | s/target0\/disk/target0\/lun0\/disk/ |
| 11:23.22 | abrotman | toad_: though .. it does say 'appropriate operating system support' |
| 11:23.28 | liable | /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/partfoo |
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| 11:23.46 | liable | or target1 maybe.. |
| 11:23.47 | abrotman | toad_: but that's still a bit vague .. about whether you can address > 4GB swap with it |
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| 11:25.32 | ptlis | RAM&swap can be >4Gb as I use 1.5Gb of RAM and have 5Gb of swap. |
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| 11:25.41 | ptlis | No problems here. |
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| 11:26.08 | abrotman | ptlis: but .. does the kernel actually use it ? |
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| 11:26.26 | tbm_ | hey |
| 11:26.29 | tbm_ | where is xinitrc ? |
| 11:26.30 | abrotman | ptlis: we weren't denying the fact we could make 10GB swap .. but whether the kernel would use it |
| 11:26.33 | toad_ | ptlis: does the 5G show up on top? |
| 11:26.36 | eNTi | where do i configure the package selections, like "testing"? |
| 11:26.36 | abrotman | !xinitrc |
| 11:26.36 | dpkg | from memory, xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 11:26.39 | liable | ptlis: do you do video stuff or something? |
| 11:26.40 | ptlis | Ah, sorry. |
| 11:26.42 | toad_ | or does it limit it to 3G? |
| 11:26.52 | ptlis | I've never seen it use more than 2Gb so... |
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| 11:27.00 | abrotman | !tell tbm_ about .xinitrc |
| 11:27.11 | tbm_ | no |
| 11:27.13 | ptlis | I use VMware quite a lot, also blender. |
| 11:27.16 | tbm_ | like /usr/bin/xinit? |
| 11:27.20 | abrotman | eNTi: you change your sources |
| 11:27.23 | abrotman | oh |
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| 11:27.27 | tbm_ | where are they like xinit.fluxox |
| 11:27.30 | abrotman | !find bin/xinit |
| 11:27.37 | abrotman | !find bin/xinit sarge |
| 11:27.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xinit' (2): (/usr/X11R6/bin/xinit) in x11/xbase-clients ;; (/usr/lib/maxdb/devtools/bin/{xinitdst|xinitdst.pl}) in devel/maxdb-buildtools. |
| 11:27.49 | tbm_ | ... |
| 11:27.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xinit' (2): (/usr/X11R6/bin/xinit) in x11/xbase-clients ;; (/usr/lib/maxdb/devtools/bin/{xinitdst|xinitdst.pl}) in devel/maxdb-buildtools. |
| 11:27.57 | abrotman | hey .. i'm just showing you :) |
| 11:28.05 | tbm_ | rofl |
| 11:28.09 | TBBle | Uhh, does that mean the kernel can now use larger than 2gb in a single swapfile/swappartition? |
| 11:28.11 | abrotman | dpkg: you're so smart |
| 11:28.19 | abrotman | TBBle: no |
| 11:28.43 | tbm_ | abrotman |
| 11:28.44 | abrotman | TBBle: not last i knew .. which i think is dumb .. |
| 11:28.47 | liable | doesnt it have support for larger than 2 now? |
| 11:28.51 | tbm_ | i meant the folder where xinitrc is |
| 11:28.56 | abrotman | liable: not last time i tried |
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| 11:29.12 | abrotman | tbm_: for your user .. in $HOME/.xinitrc |
| 11:29.24 | abrotman | if it's a fluxbox thing .. probably also in $GHOME |
| 11:29.25 | TBBle | It didn't last time I looked (early 2.6 series I think) |
| 11:29.28 | abrotman | $HOME |
| 11:29.31 | stew | TBBle: /etc/X11/xinit/ |
| 11:29.35 | stew | err |
| 11:29.38 | stew | tbm_: ^^^ |
| 11:29.43 | abrotman | stew: aren't you flying right now |
| 11:29.44 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:29.47 | tbm_ | ok |
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| 11:29.57 | stew | abrotman: leaving in 10 minutes |
| 11:30.01 | liable | CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G: ? |
| 11:30.04 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.05 | stew | just wasting a few minutes waiting for wifey |
| 11:30.07 | abrotman | stew: shouldn't you be enjoy some more SC air ? |
| 11:30.07 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.13 | tbm_ | so |
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| 11:30.14 | resiak | stew: Where are you going? |
| 11:30.15 | liable | gah, dumb that was. |
| 11:30.18 | stew | resiak: home |
| 11:30.21 | tbm_ | i wanna change gnome to fluxbox |
| 11:30.35 | liable | abrotman: it does. |
| 11:30.47 | stew | resiak: (been on vacation in south carolina this week) |
| 11:30.49 | abrotman | liable: it does what ? |
| 11:31.05 | liable | abrotman: has support for more than 4G ram |
| 11:31.17 | abrotman | liable: no shit .. that's not swap .. i knew about highmem |
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| 11:31.35 | abrotman | liable: does the kernel still have a 2GB swap partition limit ? |
| 11:32.02 | deepan | when i start firefox.. with the command "firefox -save-mode" i get the following output "INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory? System error?:: Success" |
| 11:32.08 | tbm_ | ..... |
| 11:32.09 | liable | abrotman: dunno, I guess I should read the whole fucking conversation... |
| 11:32.18 | liable | :P |
| 11:32.20 | abrotman | toad_: dunno about major .. they used to say the same thing about 4GB support .. which is why the 2.4 kernels in sarge dont' have 4GB support |
| 11:32.28 | abrotman | liable: hrm .. mebbe :) |
| 11:32.45 | toad_ | abrotman: well, it's a much bigger hit than 4G support iirc |
| 11:32.54 | toad_ | maybe i'm wrong |
| 11:33.08 | abrotman | toad_: it is .. but if you've got a 64GB system .. i bet you don't care :) |
| 11:33.10 | tbm_ | where is gmake and gpatch for linux |
| 11:33.12 | eNTi | abrotman: ok, where do i change my sources? |
| 11:33.25 | resiak | !b-e tbm_ |
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| 11:33.27 | dpkg | tbm_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 11:33.31 | abrotman | eNTi: what are you trying to do ? |
| 11:33.53 | tbm_ | build-essential is installed |
| 11:34.02 | resiak | tbm_: "make" ande "patch". |
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| 11:35.39 | abrotman | theboneman: do you have a cape ? |
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| 11:35.49 | theboneman | yeah |
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| 11:36.26 | abrotman | resiak: what happened with that guy who 'wasted' 10k the other day ? |
| 11:36.45 | resiak | abrotman: Which guy? |
| 11:36.55 | abrotman | resiak: linpengus ? something like that |
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| 11:37.04 | resiak | abrotman: I wasn't here |
| 11:37.06 | deepan | sorry it was "firefox -safe-mode" |
| 11:37.10 | abrotman | resiak: how long are your logs ? |
| 11:37.19 | resiak | abrotman: Infinite. |
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| 11:37.42 | liable | abrotman: he got banned in the end. |
| 11:37.51 | abrotman | liable: what was his nick ? |
| 11:37.53 | resiak | abrotman: 145MB of #debian :) |
| 11:37.58 | abrotman | liable: i was here for the initial +q .... |
| 11:38.10 | eNTi | abrotman: i want to using the testing packages for debian |
| 11:38.10 | liable | abrotman: I cant remember at the mo. |
| 11:38.43 | liable | abrotman: the nvidia guy yeah? |
| 11:38.56 | abrotman | liable: yeah ... |
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| 11:39.07 | abrotman | !tell eNTi about sarge->etch |
| 11:39.41 | eNTi | thx |
| 11:40.01 | abrotman | liable: luminerd |
| 11:40.12 | liable | thats it.. |
| 11:40.41 | theboneman | whats a c IDE ? |
| 11:41.05 | sciron | integrated development environment |
| 11:41.07 | sciron | for c |
| 11:41.09 | theboneman | erm |
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| 11:41.13 | theboneman | a good c IDE |
| 11:41.14 | theboneman | lol |
| 11:41.16 | goccia | hello i'm trying xorg fron unstable on sarge and i've lost some kyes like # and all alt-gr |
| 11:41.19 | sciron | lol |
| 11:41.41 | ptlis | Emacs? :) |
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| 11:41.44 | sciron | theboneman> i've used ajunta and kdevelop both.... don't really like either |
| 11:41.57 | abrotman | anjuta |
| 11:41.59 | abrotman | !anjuta |
| 11:41.59 | dpkg | anjuta is probably a great IDE to GTK+/GNOME for C/C++, similar to KDevelop. It has auto-completion, class/function browser, etc..http://anjuta.sourceforge.net |
| 11:42.01 | sciron | theboneman> xwpe is still broken (such a shame too), i settled on vim |
| 11:42.12 | Eclipser | vim \o/ |
| 11:42.14 | abrotman | theboneman: either anjuta or vim .. |
| 11:42.18 | liable | goccia: check your keyboard config. |
| 11:42.45 | sciron | anjuta was always a pain in the rump for me, but it's a ford/gm/chrysler thing imo |
| 11:43.09 | stew | goccia: if you are using xorg from sarge on unstable and the worst thing that broke is your alt-gr keyboard I would consider you pretty lucky |
| 11:43.15 | abrotman | sciron: when's the last time you tried it ? |
| 11:43.20 | stew | err unstable on sarge... |
| 11:43.26 | TBBle | "the maximum number of swapcache pages is 27 bits on 32-bit-pgoff_t architectures" (and you can have five bits of swap areas) (from include/linux/swap.h in linux-2.6.12) |
| 11:43.30 | resiak | goccia: BTS? |
| 11:43.32 | abrotman | !tell goccia about xorg sarge |
| 11:43.37 | sciron | abrotman> about a month ago |
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| 11:43.49 | abrotman | sciron: ah ... |
| 11:43.51 | GroovBird | meepmeemp |
| 11:44.05 | liable | roadrunner! |
| 11:44.08 | sciron | lol |
| 11:44.08 | GroovBird | :P |
| 11:44.28 | Groundy | erm, a tcpdump question: the -X option prints in hex & ascii, the -A option _used_ to print ascii, it now prints hex only - this is something i should be asking BTS about right? |
| 11:44.30 | stew | byebye |
| 11:44.35 | abrotman | stew: drive carefully |
| 11:44.42 | stew | i'm not driving |
| 11:44.48 | stew | but thanks :) |
| 11:44.52 | abrotman | stew: and by that .. i mean ... break in the cockpit door .. and drive carefully ;) |
| 11:44.55 | sciron | i like eclipse's debug modes over anjutas |
| 11:45.25 | goccia | abrotman: i'm really happy damn : all fine : i'm reconfiguring now but it'smreally amazing how sarge accept firefox1.0.6 kernel2.6.11 kde3.4.1 and now xorg : i hope to sort out this little thing :) |
| 11:45.34 | abrotman | i knew stew wasn't flying .. yeesh .. give my feeble old mind some credit |
| 11:45.40 | sciron | (although I'm sorta comparing apples to ornages with that........ i've only used eclipse's debug modes in winderz, i'm assuming they're the same in linux) |
| 11:45.51 | abrotman | goccia: you're playing with fire |
| 11:46.09 | GroovBird | has anyone here worked on the CRIS platform before? |
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| 11:46.22 | miz | Can `find` search files contents |
| 11:46.28 | sciron | grep |
| 11:46.28 | miz | files* ?* |
| 11:46.28 | goccia | abrotman: nice nice : debian rules :) |
| 11:46.29 | abrotman | GroovBird: the what? |
| 11:46.35 | sciron | find outside, grep inside |
| 11:46.38 | abrotman | goccia: not nice .. but ok |
| 11:46.45 | GroovBird | developer.axis.com... |
| 11:46.47 | miz | Hmmk, thanks |
| 11:46.55 | sciron | miz> specifically, find outside, grep/file inside |
| 11:46.55 | GroovBird | embedded linux thingie |
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| 11:47.39 | GroovBird | well there's no channel for it that I know of |
| 11:47.44 | GroovBird | hence the q |
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| 11:48.49 | Trace | can anybody help me ? I seems damage my partition table, and i can not boot that computer now, when i use knoppix to check my partition table, i can not see any partitions any more!! |
| 11:48.54 | GroovBird | another thing I'm worried about: If I do make menuconfig and change the configuration of a compiled kernel, do I need to do make clean? or does it only pick up the changes? |
| 11:49.03 | GroovBird | cuz a full kernel takes a while to compile |
| 11:49.05 | Trace | Does i have chance to repair my system? |
| 11:49.42 | abrotman | GroovBird: always make clean before compiling |
| 11:49.42 | nkuttler | Trace: did you write it down? |
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| 11:49.51 | abrotman | GroovBird: you could try ##linux |
| 11:49.53 | GroovBird | aah rats |
| 11:50.15 | DivideByO | Trace: did you try with gpart? |
| 11:50.16 | GroovBird | see I'm cross compiling a kernel, but the stock config didn't include PPP, so there... |
| 11:50.18 | abrotman | well .. i do anyways |
| 11:50.26 | GroovBird | so now I gotta do a full rebuild huh :( |
| 11:50.31 | abrotman | can't have enough make clean IMO |
| 11:50.37 | miz | find . -exec 'grep firefox && echo {};' <- which argument is missing for -exec? |
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| 11:50.45 | GroovBird | then what's the point of having a Makefile huh? |
| 11:50.45 | Trace | nkuttler, write what down? |
| 11:50.47 | goccia | stew: yes only alt-gr keyboard : i'm not lucky i just think what apt-get -s install suggest :) |
| 11:51.02 | abrotman | miz: what are you trying to look for ? |
| 11:51.09 | Trace | no, i don't try to use gpart, i just try to use fdisk -l to check whether i have any partitions. |
| 11:51.10 | miz | files with 'firefox' anywhere in them |
| 11:51.11 | nkuttler | Trace: the partition table. partition sizes etc |
| 11:51.16 | Trace | no~~~ |
| 11:51.29 | abrotman | miz: isn't there a grep -R ? |
| 11:51.30 | Trace | I don't remember my partition tables~~ |
| 11:51.54 | sciron | sometimes there is a grep -R.. |
| 11:51.57 | abrotman | GroovBird: that's just me .. |
| 11:51.59 | sciron | for debian, there is |
| 11:52.05 | GroovBird | tsk... first you do after partitioning is memorizing the table! |
| 11:52.05 | abrotman | GroovBird: you could try #kernel ... nfc |
| 11:52.10 | Trace | Can anybody help me? this is so terrible. |
| 11:52.12 | DivideByO | Trace: try with gpart. it should be able to guess which partitions were lost |
| 11:52.14 | miz | >.> thanks |
| 11:52.16 | GroovBird | abrotman: sure, will do |
| 11:52.27 | TBBle | GroovBird: Make works if you change source. If you change .config, in theory make ought to rebuild _everything_. |
| 11:52.28 | Trace | let me try it with knoppix. |
| 11:52.29 | abrotman | miz: will that be easier ? |
| 11:52.40 | miz | Yes it will |
| 11:52.46 | GroovBird | TBBle: in theory. I get it. |
| 11:53.03 | goccia | resiak: could be kde3.4.1 : what do you think ? |
| 11:53.21 | abrotman | goccia: it's probably the fact you've installed half of sid on sarge |
| 11:53.28 | GroovBird | actually I just did make, and it LOOKS like it's doing a full rebuild anyway |
| 11:53.28 | DivideByO | Trace: well, ok, try with knoppix. Does your knoppix cd have gpart installed? :) |
| 11:53.29 | TBBle | Instead, it lets you decided if that's neccessary. eg. turning on a module is _generally_ safe to do without rebuilding, although not always. |
| 11:53.40 | TBBle | That's good to know. ^_^ |
| 11:54.01 | GroovBird | well using modules on the thing is pretty useless |
| 11:54.28 | GroovBird | but then again, if a "make clean" was in order, would it ever build without one? |
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| 11:54.50 | goccia | abrotman: you could be right but it's just a little thing so it's excellent anyway |
| 11:55.14 | abrotman | ok |
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| 11:55.24 | Trace | I don't remember whether knoppix's liveCD has gparted, just have a try |
| 11:55.30 | GroovBird | so there's a channel called #kernel huh? |
| 11:55.32 | GroovBird | byebyenow |
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| 11:55.47 | TBBle | GroovBird: I don't get what you're saying about modules, but yes, you can build without make clean, if you're (for example) modifying a single module's source file. Or just building a single module (with the 2.6 makefile, anyway) |
| 11:55.51 | TBBle | Oh, he went. |
| 11:56.01 | abrotman | TBBle: it was an embedded system ... modules suck :) |
| 11:56.08 | Trace | DivideBy0: If I cann't repair my system, very, very..... |
| 11:56.15 | TBBle | Ah, right. I didn't catch that bit. ^_^ |
| 11:56.17 | abrotman | BAD! |
| 11:56.21 | goccia | abrotman: i'm really really thinking about all the idiots complaining about firefox sec fix and such |
| 11:56.29 | DivideByO | Trace: i'm speaking about 'gpart', not gnu parted.. beware :) |
| 11:56.34 | abrotman | goccia: what about it .. ? |
| 11:56.39 | DivideByO | Trace: gpart should guess your former partition table, if you're a lucky boy |
| 11:56.54 | FieldySnuts | ~poop |
| 11:56.54 | apt | ACTION fertilizes the channel |
| 11:56.55 | abrotman | goccia: now .. the next time there's a firefox fix in stable and you try to install firefox from unstable.. it may not work .. |
| 11:56.59 | DivideByO | Trace: it's not 100% accurate, but it works in *most* cases. |
| 11:57.00 | goccia | abrotman: i mean they could just get firefox 1.0.6 from sid and shut up :) |
| 11:57.02 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: morning :) |
| 11:57.08 | goccia | it works |
| 11:57.11 | abrotman | goccia: no .. THEY CAN"T |
| 11:57.12 | FieldySnuts | goccia: you clearly don't understand stable |
| 11:57.15 | abrotman | goccia: your system will break |
| 11:57.24 | abrotman | goccia: you got LUCKY |
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| 11:57.41 | FieldySnuts | they'll backport though what the heck is takin so long... |
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| 11:57.47 | abrotman | goccia: when it dies .. and it will .. we will lart you for doing dumb shit like mixing packages |
| 11:57.54 | liable | whats wrong with firefox in stable anyway? |
| 11:58.03 | kink | I've got a question about restoring from a crahed hd |
| 11:58.05 | goccia | FieldySnuts: i have 4 sarges and i never complain but i try what dewbian give me :) |
| 11:58.06 | abrotman | liable: 1.0.3 had a sec vuln |
| 11:58.28 | abrotman | liable: i think it's not been fixed yet ... |
| 11:58.29 | liable | oh, it hasnt been fixed? |
| 11:58.33 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 11:58.33 | dpkg | somebody said stable security issues was http://newraff.debian.org/~joeyh/stable-security.html |
| 11:58.34 | liable | :) |
| 11:58.35 | goccia | abrotman: when it die i'll replace in 2 minutes :) |
| 11:58.45 | abrotman | goccia: if you say so |
| 11:58.55 | abrotman | oh .. cute ... |
| 11:58.58 | abrotman | that's blamk now |
| 11:59.03 | kink | I've managed to open it in debugfs and recover quite a bit, but for some directories I get the message "Ext2 inode is not a directory". Is there anything I can try to still access that data? |
| 11:59.12 | abrotman | !sarge security issues =~ s/newraff/raff/ |
| 11:59.12 | dpkg | abrotman: that doesn't contain 'newraff' |
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| 11:59.22 | abrotman | hrm |
| 11:59.43 | FieldySnuts | backups, or have fun |
| 11:59.55 | FieldySnuts | Starting increment operation / to /mnt/backup |
| 11:59.56 | FieldySnuts | yay. |
| 12:00.28 | FieldySnuts | lag |
| 12:01.05 | resiak | abrotman: anjuta doesn't do SVN :((( |
| 12:01.09 | TBBle | abrotman: The tag is 'stable security issues', isn't it? |
| 12:01.20 | resiak | abrotman: If you _dare_ say FFTSAP I will hit you :) |
| 12:01.21 | abrotman | TBBle: it's a link |
| 12:01.25 | abrotman | !literal sarge security issues |
| 12:01.25 | dpkg | sarge security issues is <reply>see stable security issues |
| 12:01.35 | Trace | DivideByO: Knoppix LiveCD has gpart, guessing now... |
| 12:01.43 | Trace | Best wishes!!! |
| 12:01.47 | abrotman | resiak: i don't like svn .. so i don't really care :) |
| 12:01.50 | TBBle | abrotman: Yeah. So the correction needs to be made to 'stable security issues'. |
| 12:01.57 | DivideByO | Trace: good luck. |
| 12:01.59 | abrotman | TBBle: i did in /msg |
| 12:02.04 | TBBle | Oh, OK. ^_^ |
| 12:02.04 | resiak | abrotman: How is it not better than cvs? |
| 12:02.05 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 12:02.05 | dpkg | methinks stable security issues is http://raff.debian.org/~joeyh/stable-security.html |
| 12:02.11 | TBBle | O_O |
| 12:02.15 | abrotman | resiak: i'd rather use cvs or arch ... |
| 12:02.21 | resiak | abrotman: How is it not better than cvs? |
| 12:02.33 | abrotman | resiak: why would i bother ? |
| 12:02.38 | abrotman | i can use cvs or arch |
| 12:02.40 | cafuego | resiak: cvs is working fine and doing everything that needs doing? |
| 12:02.40 | Trace | does gpart just telling me the partition table? and then may i need fdisk to repair my partition table in manual? |
| 12:02.58 | Trace | sorry for my english :-) |
| 12:02.59 | resiak | cafuego: Good answer :) |
| 12:03.00 | miz | Is `grep -rU 'firefox'` supposed to find the files with 'firefox' in them? >.> |
| 12:03.07 | abrotman | resiak: last i knew .. if the svn DB takes a dump .. your data goes byebye |
| 12:03.10 | cafuego | it's rule 1. |
| 12:03.13 | cafuego | !rule 1 |
| 12:03.13 | dpkg | i heard rule 1 is "Run a stock kernel, get a stock problem" |
| 12:03.14 | resiak | abrotman: anjuta doesn't support arch! |
| 12:03.23 | cafuego | someone broke my rule 1! |
| 12:03.34 | abrotman | TBBle: there's also the testing security issues .. but it seems joey isn't maintaining the list .. but does have a link to the TODO |
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| 12:03.43 | resiak | abrotman: If it's a bdb, then yeah... FSFS is meant to be better. |
| 12:03.46 | abrotman | resiak: but i don't use anjuta .. i stopped doing c/C++ dev |
| 12:03.49 | GroovBird | #kernel was quiet |
| 12:04.01 | cafuego | *and* that's not rule 1. |
| 12:04.04 | abrotman | resiak: but is it true .. if the DB dies . your data goes with it? |
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| 12:04.53 | DivideByO | Trace: you have to run gpart with the '-W' switch in order to write the changes to the partition table |
| 12:04.57 | resiak | abrotman: *shrug* |
| 12:04.57 | TBBle | GroovBird: You can build without make clean, if you're only changing c code and the like. (ie if something's covered by the dependancies, then it's prolly safe to rebuild) |
| 12:05.07 | Trace | no, i just run gpart /dev/hda? |
| 12:05.12 | abrotman | resiak: but you're advocating it... YOU should know :) |
| 12:05.20 | goccia | FieldySnuts: if i do a dist-upgrade i'll break sarge at the moment so i've just done an install of firefox amule kernel kernel and more just waiting to see them fixed in sarge : they works really really with no problems : i know it's worng but complaining it's worse me think |
| 12:05.24 | DivideByO | Trace: without any switch, gpart just shows the partitions it guessed |
| 12:05.54 | DivideByO | Trace: with '-W', *if you think that gpart got the partition table right*, you can write it to disk. |
| 12:05.57 | GroovBird | TBBle: ok, well I did build, so now I'm left wondering whether that is a *usable* build |
| 12:06.02 | Trace | OK, let it try to scan first. Thanks very much!! DivideBy0 |
| 12:06.04 | TBBle | goccia: Fixed in sarge? Those're all security problems? |
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| 12:06.26 | DivideByO | Trace: np, i hope it will work. |
| 12:06.33 | TBBle | GroovBird: Well, try it and see? Or don't risk it, make clean and rebuild? Have you got a dollar coin handy? |
| 12:07.09 | goccia | TBBle: i read all the mail about this firefox problem and i've just installed 1.0.6 courtesy to debian/sid :) |
| 12:07.38 | TBBle | But a security problem in amule? I |
| 12:07.43 | goccia | but now i want to see if xorg it's faster or if it's a bullshit |
| 12:07.45 | TBBle | But a security problem in amule? I'm surprised there's a delay getting that fixed... |
| 12:07.59 | GroovBird | not but I have a Euro coin :) |
| 12:08.04 | GroovBird | I'm not gonna risk it. |
| 12:08.05 | goccia | TBBle: yes amule got some problems |
| 12:08.25 | GroovBird | Hey it's the weekend, I shouldn't be working today. |
| 12:08.42 | sciron | why not? |
| 12:08.44 | TBBle | goccia: Yuck. But if they're not security-fixed yet, how's the unstable version OK? Or is the problem only applicable to the sarge version? |
| 12:09.07 | GroovBird | cuz my gf is at home taking care of my sick child and I'm here working... |
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| 12:09.17 | sciron | THAT is a good reason |
| 12:09.21 | TBBle | GroovBird: Dang. Go home. ^_^ |
| 12:09.29 | abrotman | TBBle: the stable versino has no fix afaik .. unstable packages in stable will only cause problems |
| 12:09.39 | GroovBird | well there's nothing I can do about it anyway, so now at least I get paid... |
| 12:09.48 | goccia | TBBle: i think the unstable version is more recent anyway |
| 12:09.49 | GroovBird | gotta get this finished though |
| 12:09.50 | colde89 | cold create my raid0-device with: mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l 1 -n 2 /dev/hda8 /dev/hdc7. But when i stop the device with mdadm -S, i cold not restart the device with mdadm -R ( no such device). any idea? |
| 12:09.50 | TBBle | abrotman: Indeed. |
| 12:10.11 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 12:10.11 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 12:10.26 | TBBle | goccia: But does it have the security fix you're seeking? I mean, you'd have to have a very good reason to risk boning your system hard when mixing... Ah, thankyou abrotman and dpkg. ^_^ |
| 12:10.39 | abrotman | TBBle: not me .. i don't care . i rarely use FF ... |
| 12:10.45 | highvoltage | wow. then what must happen when you mix it with ubuntu! |
| 12:10.46 | abrotman | basically . only if i need java :) |
| 12:11.01 | abrotman | highvoltage: nuclear reaction |
| 12:11.15 | highvoltage | hope the terrorists aren't reading this. |
| 12:11.16 | goccia | TBBle: i try but sarge wont' break till now : only this little keys problems aparently |
| 12:11.33 | TBBle | abrotman: Out of curiosity, what do you use? |
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| 12:11.52 | abrotman | TBBle: right now .. still on sarge ... after xorg/gcc4 get into etch . i will migrate again |
| 12:11.53 | TBBle | goccia: ? I don't use amule, so I've no idea what the problem _is_. |
| 12:11.55 | goccia | firefox wirks kde3.4.1 works kernel2.6.11 works amule works xorg works : i'm just happy |
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| 12:12.05 | abrotman | TBBle: i like my laptop to be in a working state :) |
| 12:12.17 | coywolf | can I give find -exec two commands? |
| 12:12.19 | prock | have they sped up the transparency in xorg yet? |
| 12:12.28 | GroovBird | what's responsible for giving me the "You have new email" comments once in awhile? |
| 12:12.31 | GroovBird | I find it pretty annoying. |
| 12:12.36 | abrotman | elm .. i think |
| 12:12.37 | TBBle | I meant as a web browser. I'm starting to get annoyed at the slow load time of Firefox on my laptop. (Which I run unstable on, for the sheer excitement of it. ^_^) |
| 12:13.01 | GroovBird | I wish I could turn it off... |
| 12:13.03 | nkuttler | coywolf: try find ... -print0 | xargs -0 foo | bar |
| 12:13.06 | abrotman | TBBle: i switched to opera .. a LONG time ago |
| 12:13.11 | cafuego | prock: Yes, but it requires a CPU upgrade |
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| 12:13.18 | abrotman | TBBle: and as a testament to the browser .. i hate Qt crap |
| 12:13.24 | ma3x | how can i list all files bigger than 100 MB? |
| 12:13.26 | TBBle | Oh. People keep recommending that to me. I really must try it. ^_^ |
| 12:13.33 | coywolf | nksen, can't I do it with -exec? |
| 12:13.35 | ma3x | TBBle recommending what? |
| 12:13.40 | prock | cafuego: woot! is that all?! |
| 12:13.43 | toad_ | ma3x: find -size +100000k |
| 12:13.43 | TBBle | Opera as a web browser. |
| 12:13.48 | toad_ | ma3x: find . -size +100000k |
| 12:13.49 | abrotman | TBBle: i use the static debs they offer .. don't have to isntall qt stuff to run it |
| 12:14.03 | prock | GroovBird: unset MAIL in your .bashrc |
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| 12:14.14 | GroovBird | prock: Thanks a bunch |
| 12:14.21 | TBBle | I think I've got qt stuff on here already. If my link wasn't already working as hard as it can, I'd go grab it now. It doesn't support java though? |
| 12:14.31 | ma3x | it gives nothing toad__ |
| 12:14.40 | ma3x | that's strange, i just have debian and some packages installed and KDE |
| 12:14.43 | ma3x | and it takes 4 GBytes |
| 12:14.47 | ma3x | isn't it abnormal? |
| 12:14.51 | abrotman | no |
| 12:14.56 | ma3x | no?? |
| 12:15.09 | TBBle | I just whacked KDE, and it gave me back 380MB... |
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| 12:15.12 | ma3x | but it took only 2,3 GBytes two days ago |
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| 12:15.38 | abrotman | apt-get clean |
| 12:15.38 | ma3x | and i installed just backuppc, and deleted it and removed all backups n stuff |
| 12:15.43 | ma3x | abrotman already did that |
| 12:15.45 | ma3x | doesnt help |
| 12:15.47 | zho | anybody know why after i update some program with apt-get my applet crashed.. |
| 12:15.49 | abrotman | look in your log dir |
| 12:15.51 | zho | huh.. |
| 12:15.57 | goccia | TBBle: hahaha kde it's a big pig : i use it but i'm not happy :) |
| 12:16.05 | ma3x | well /var/log is 18 MBytes |
| 12:16.07 | ma3x | that's nufin |
| 12:16.12 | liable | ma3x: didnt work? |
| 12:16.16 | zho | hello? |
| 12:16.18 | ma3x | liable it did!! |
| 12:16.24 | abrotman | ma3x: so use du -sk .. find what's taking it all .. |
| 12:16.26 | ma3x | marvelous suggestion indeed |
| 12:16.31 | liable | ma3x: \o/ |
| 12:16.44 | abrotman | |- |
| 12:16.52 | ma3x | liable - the cosmic space capetan |
| 12:17.05 | liable | abrotman: whats that supposed to be? |
| 12:17.12 | abrotman | someone peeing ? |
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| 12:17.21 | zho | hello? |
| 12:17.23 | liable | ok.. |
| 12:17.27 | zho | anyone can help me? |
| 12:17.32 | abrotman | zho: are you running sid ? |
| 12:17.38 | abrotman | liable: my stick figure fu .. sucks |
| 12:17.40 | GroovBird | abrotman: never when in front of a keyboard |
| 12:17.43 | ma3x | i just did du -sk in / and it says 21918063 |
| 12:17.46 | liable | abrotman: hehe. |
| 12:17.46 | drac | hello. hello. |
| 12:17.48 | ma3x | but why is 4 GBytes occupied? |
| 12:17.49 | zho | abrotman: errm? what is sid? |
| 12:17.52 | abrotman | liable: i rely on cowsay |
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| 12:17.55 | abrotman | zho: unstable |
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| 12:17.57 | liable | !moo |
| 12:17.57 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 12:17.59 | resiak | zho: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 12:18.11 | goccia | abrotman: i found it ! |
| 12:18.12 | zho | abrotman: debian sarge |
| 12:18.18 | abrotman | zho: uhm .. are you sure ? |
| 12:18.19 | goccia | abrotman: it's kde |
| 12:18.26 | abrotman | zho: if you upgrade sarge . it should only get security updates |
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| 12:18.31 | abrotman | goccia: that gave bad chars ? |
| 12:18.39 | ma3x | abrotman! |
| 12:18.50 | J-Ph | back on the same track |
| 12:18.50 | goccia | abrotman: keyboard layout in that f* control center : xorg works !!!! |
| 12:18.57 | RichiH | dpkg: moo =~ s/Type // |
| 12:18.57 | dpkg | RichiH: OK |
| 12:19.01 | ma3x | du -sk of / = 21918063 |
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| 12:19.04 | abrotman | goccia: good |
| 12:19.04 | goccia | hahahah debian rules |
| 12:19.05 | RichiH | now the syllable count matches |
| 12:19.07 | ma3x | so why is 4GB? |
| 12:19.10 | goccia | sure sure |
| 12:19.19 | goccia | out of the box !!! |
| 12:19.22 | abrotman | RichiH: you dork :) |
| 12:19.26 | goccia | amazing |
| 12:19.32 | RichiH | abrotman: that was ailing me for ages |
| 12:19.35 | zho | abrotman: i just upgraded... my mozilla-firefox with apt-get install mozilla-firefox but my gnome mixer crashed after reboot... |
| 12:19.44 | RichiH | i just forgot to change it every time |
| 12:19.44 | abrotman | RichiH: heh |
| 12:19.54 | abrotman | zho: you upgraded them how ? |
| 12:20.09 | goccia | brilliant really brilliant |
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| 12:20.28 | coywolf | can I give find -exec two commands? |
| 12:20.29 | zho | abrotman: "apt-get install mozilla-firefox" and the new version was installed... |
| 12:20.39 | RichiH | abrotman: i am considering breaking the grammar of the first part towards the same gas |
| 12:20.51 | abrotman | zho: dpkg -l mozilla-firefox .. please |
| 12:20.52 | resiak | coywolf: Can't see why youu can't just give find two -exec s. |
| 12:20.56 | zho | abrotman: are some file replaced with some version? |
| 12:21.12 | abrotman | RichiH: you're a dork :) |
| 12:21.32 | zho | ermmm where should i paste it..? |
| 12:21.36 | goccia | zho: not in my case : i got new file but none replace |
| 12:21.43 | goccia | ced* |
| 12:21.50 | abrotman | zho: i only need the one line |
| 12:21.51 | RichiH | abrotman: :) |
| 12:21.59 | GroovBird | so what's with the cow references? |
| 12:22.00 | coywolf | resiak, thanks |
| 12:22.03 | resiak | RichiH: The syllable count _did_ match. |
| 12:22.06 | RichiH | GroovBird: moo! |
| 12:22.09 | abrotman | GroovBird: you have a debian box? |
| 12:22.18 | abrotman | GroovBird: type `apt-get moo` |
| 12:22.22 | zho | abrotman: which one? |
| 12:22.24 | liable | apt-moo |
| 12:22.28 | resiak | RichiH: The third ones were all seven syllables, and now you've broken it. |
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| 12:22.32 | abrotman | zho: the one with the version number |
| 12:22.41 | goccia | zho: libxinerama1 one of them |
| 12:22.44 | zho | i mozilla-firefo 1.0.6-0 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 12:22.51 | resiak | zho is using Siii-iiid! |
| 12:22.53 | abrotman | zho: you're not running sarge |
| 12:22.57 | ma3x | why is my /dev/hda1 4 GBytes full? |
| 12:23.00 | RichiH | resiak: as i see it, there were three times three and one time four |
| 12:23.02 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
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| 12:23.07 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 12:23.08 | RichiH | now, we have four times three |
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| 12:23.14 | zho | !info mozilla-firefox |
| 12:23.22 | highvoltage | GroovBird: also try it in aptitude |
| 12:23.28 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7440 kB, Installed size: 21012 kB |
| 12:23.31 | abrotman | zho: you're running sid apparently |
| 12:23.34 | GroovBird | highvoltage: yeah tried it |
| 12:23.38 | GroovBird | read the bugnote |
| 12:23.46 | GroovBird | somebody asked to "explain it" |
| 12:23.51 | GroovBird | but didn't see the explanation |
| 12:23.56 | liable | zho: dpkg -l apt |
| 12:23.58 | abrotman | zho: if you run .. apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade .. how many packages does it say it's going to upgrade ? |
| 12:24.00 | resiak | RichiH: "I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you." -- 3 3 7. "I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass." -- 3,3,7. "I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo." -- 3,3,7... oh, do you pronounce the dash in apt-get ? |
| 12:24.02 | zho | abrotman: really? hehehe... i just know that.. |
| 12:24.21 | J-Ph | !gnokii |
| 12:24.28 | J-Ph | !info gnokii |
| 12:24.31 | dpkg | gnokii: (Datasuite for the mobile phones (console & X)), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.6.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1050 kB, Installed size: 3880 kB |
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| 12:25.03 | resiak | abrotman: HAH, ubuntoy! |
| 12:25.14 | zho | abrotman: 463 upgraded, 75 newly installed, 6 to remove and 32 not upgraded. |
| 12:25.17 | zho | -_-! |
| 12:25.20 | resiak | 13:27 zho : ii mozilla-firefo 1.0.6-0ubuntu0 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 12:25.27 | resiak | zho: #ubuntu is that way -----> |
| 12:25.36 | J-Ph | !vfatrw |
| 12:25.36 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 12:25.39 | abrotman | resiak: huh ? |
| 12:25.43 | RichiH | resiak: i don't pronounce the dash, no. i see the last part more as a refrain. like 3 3 7 3 3 7 3 3 3 3 - especially since the last part is made from short sentences where you pause automagically |
| 12:25.49 | resiak | abrotman: zho just pasted that in flood. |
| 12:25.55 | resiak | RichiH: Oh, I see. :) |
| 12:25.57 | abrotman | pasted what ?> |
| 12:26.05 | resiak | abrotman: 13:27 zho : ii mozilla-firefo 1.0.6-0ubuntu0 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 12:26.08 | liable | hehe |
| 12:26.11 | zho | hiks...:(( |
| 12:26.21 | abrotman | zho: are you running ubuntu? |
| 12:26.27 | liable | zho: please ask in #ubuntu. |
| 12:26.29 | RichiH | resiak: it's like 3,3,7.3,3,7.3.3;3!3. |
| 12:26.41 | zho | my sarge cd not contain linux-2.6.10 so i use it.. i think its same.. |
| 12:26.42 | resiak | RichiH: Whatever. |
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| 12:26.49 | abrotman | zho: it's not |
| 12:26.57 | abrotman | zho: /j #ubuntu .. you've been infected |
| 12:27.00 | RichiH | abrotman: now you can say i am a dork, again, if you lie |
| 12:27.02 | RichiH | like |
| 12:27.14 | abrotman | i don't lie .. you're a dork |
| 12:27.55 | RichiH | i say, i did correct myself, my dear sir! |
| 12:28.06 | resiak | WTF... |
| 12:28.11 | abrotman | yes .. i know .. but i still wasn't lying .. you're a dork :) |
| 12:28.12 | resiak | "zho : dear all.. how to sharing my connection?" |
| 12:28.19 | goccia | ubuntu ? why ? |
| 12:28.22 | goccia | no need |
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| 12:28.23 | abrotman | resiak: where are you |
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| 12:28.27 | resiak | abrotman: #ubuntu |
| 12:28.29 | abrotman | ah |
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| 12:29.02 | zho | resiak: aghh... what do you want heh? |
| 12:29.21 | resiak | zho: Why are you asking a totally different question over there? |
| 12:29.23 | GroovBird | yey! got it to work, almost ready to go home... |
| 12:29.27 | zho | resiak: are you my other fans? |
| 12:29.41 | abrotman | GroovBird: it will not work .. you must work! |
| 12:29.49 | zho | resiak: it's my 1st time on ubuntu... so i dont know anything... |
| 12:29.59 | resiak | zho: No, I just like stalking Ubuntu users. |
| 12:30.00 | GroovBird | abrotman: eh? |
| 12:30.04 | abrotman | joke! |
| 12:30.17 | abrotman | resiak: if i use knoppix .. will you have my child ? |
| 12:30.20 | antgel | hmm, a program quit badly, leaving my xterm with funny characters. what's the command to get back to normal chars? i seem to recall stty something, but can't find it in man page |
| 12:30.31 | liable | antgel: reset |
| 12:30.36 | GroovBird | yah but i don't get it |
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| 12:30.40 | resiak | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 12:30.46 | abrotman | GroovBird: because you're tired! |
| 12:30.53 | GroovBird | grr pessky connect-errors |
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| 12:31.08 | abrotman | ok .. danny glover vs predator .. not so believable |
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| 12:31.56 | zho | i think if i updated package on sarge the problem was same....some of applet was crashed... |
| 12:32.13 | Trace | hello, DivideBy0? there? |
| 12:32.17 | DivideByO | Trace: yeah |
| 12:32.26 | abrotman | you are using ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu .. what's difficult to understand ? |
| 12:32.29 | antgel | liable: still got the gobbledegook |
| 12:32.36 | Trace | when i run gpart -W /dev/hda, system told me wrong |
| 12:32.37 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 12:32.37 | dpkg | [ubuntu] a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 12:32.43 | liable | antgel: bugger |
| 12:32.45 | abrotman | zho: see .. NOT debian |
| 12:32.47 | DivideByO | Trace: any error message? |
| 12:32.54 | antgel | liable: command not found ;) |
| 12:33.01 | zho | sorry... wrong windows :lol: |
| 12:33.06 | Trace | it seems the wrong format |
| 12:33.25 | DivideByO | Trace: gpart -W /dev/hda /dev/hda |
| 12:33.33 | antgel | liable: reset did help me in _another_ xterm where a program exited badly in the mode where no keypresses are visible, so that's something |
| 12:33.37 | abrotman | how do people fuck up thier systems like this .. i mean FFS .. would you install a win2k patch on win95 .. how stupid can you be ... |
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| 12:33.46 | DivideByO | Trace: from the gpart man page: 'gpart -W /dev/sdc /dev/sdc' |
| 12:33.46 | Trace | oh, yes. thx!!Best wish!! |
| 12:33.51 | ma3x | what's /usr/share for |
| 12:34.00 | abrotman | ma3x: lots of stuff ... like docs |
| 12:34.05 | ma3x | can i delete it? |
| 12:34.10 | liable | no |
| 12:34.15 | abrotman | no .. and .. hell no |
| 12:34.21 | ma3x | well why the heck is taking 2 GB? |
| 12:34.36 | abrotman | docs |
| 12:34.38 | ma3x | i mean yesterday i had 2,1 GB used |
| 12:34.42 | ma3x | and today i have 4 GB used space |
| 12:34.55 | liable | ma3x: look in it and see what is using the space.. |
| 12:35.01 | abrotman | ma3x: how big is /usr/share/docs |
| 12:35.09 | abrotman | ma3x: and what have you installed since yesterday ? |
| 12:35.15 | abrotman | err /usr/share/doc |
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| 12:35.23 | miz | Are initrd-tools used in make-kpkg? |
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| 12:35.30 | ma3x | 142 M |
| 12:35.31 | abrotman | they can be |
| 12:35.34 | ma3x | that's nothing |
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| 12:36.05 | ma3x | but the whole /usr/ is 2.2 GB |
| 12:36.07 | ma3x | why so much?? |
| 12:36.11 | abrotman | du -sk /usr/share/* |
| 12:36.16 | abrotman | or |
| 12:36.19 | abrotman | du -sk /usr/* |
| 12:36.21 | goccia | abrotman: now i try to put back xserver-xfree86 from stable :) |
| 12:36.23 | RichiH | /usr/src? |
| 12:36.27 | ma3x | yes! |
| 12:36.31 | abrotman | goccia: you're insane |
| 12:36.53 | ma3x | abrotman dont forget h at the end |
| 12:37.02 | abrotman | h? |
| 12:37.02 | goccia | abrotman: if it works sarge is a masterpiece |
| 12:37.05 | ma3x | let's do it as rational human beings |
| 12:37.07 | abrotman | ma3x: i read in k |
| 12:37.17 | abrotman | goccia: and if it doesn't .. |
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| 12:37.43 | ma3x | 664M /usr/lib 741M /usr/share 358M /usr/src |
| 12:37.46 | ma3x | those are the highlights |
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| 12:37.52 | goccia | abrotman: no problems : debian rules anyway : i said xorg works in sarge so no need to get ubuntu :) |
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| 12:38.10 | abrotman | goccia: /msg dpkg sarge xorg |
| 12:38.21 | abrotman | err |
| 12:38.24 | abrotman | goccia: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 12:38.40 | goccia | abrotman: i'll be back in a sec .) |
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| 12:38.44 | RichiH | abrotman: /dpkg sarge xorg msg |
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| 12:39.14 | abrotman | RichiH: no workie |
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| 12:39.50 | RichiH | abrotman: damn |
| 12:40.00 | antgel | anyone using slrn, how do i display all groups matching a pattern? i'm new to it and find the manual crap |
| 12:40.04 | RichiH | abrotman: try /exec -o figlet gpl.txt |
| 12:40.08 | colde89 | cold create my raid0-device with: mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l 1 -n 2 /dev/hda8 /dev/hdc7. But when i stop the device with mdadm -S, i cold not restart the device with mdadm -R ( no such device). any idea? |
| 12:40.20 | RichiH | in #ubuntu or #gentoo, not here ;) |
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| 12:40.38 | abrotman | RichiH: huh ? |
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| 12:40.43 | abrotman | RichiH: oh |
| 12:40.51 | RichiH | heh |
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| 12:41.07 | abrotman | RichiH: no workie |
| 12:41.16 | RichiH | abrotman: good ;) |
| 12:41.29 | abrotman | shay: line 1: figlet: command not found |
| 12:41.36 | cafuego | abrotman: damn noob |
| 12:41.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:41.50 | abrotman | have a little faith .. come on |
| 12:42.03 | shay | now I'm a shell? |
| 12:42.18 | abrotman | shay: it's ok .. i'm a tool |
| 12:42.27 | shay | yeah, I see |
| 12:42.36 | RichiH | abrotman: everyone should have figlet and cowsay |
| 12:42.41 | shay | try taking ritalin, will help you to concentrate |
| 12:42.45 | abrotman | RichiH: i have cowsay .. not figlet |
| 12:42.51 | RichiH | you need both |
| 12:43.05 | abrotman | shay: not a problem with that .. |
| 12:43.08 | RichiH | how else could you pipe the output from one into the other? |
| 12:43.23 | abrotman | RichiH: i'm not that bored ? |
| 12:44.08 | abrotman | ok .. danny glover vs predator .. not so believable |
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| 12:46.05 | resiak | abrotman: figlet moo | cowsay -n | cowthink |
| 12:46.07 | resiak | :) |
| 12:46.11 | abrotman | i have no figlet! |
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| 12:46.43 | abrotman | can't we all just use filters and be happy |
| 12:46.48 | goccia | abrotman: apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86 >> Installed: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 :)))) |
| 12:47.01 | abrotman | resiak: echo "I'm a loser" | bork | cowthink ? |
| 12:47.08 | goccia | from heaven to hell and back |
| 12:47.28 | resiak | Erm. |
| 12:47.37 | RichiH | !find bork |
| 12:47.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bork' (4 of 5): (/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/zenirc/zenirc-bork.el) in net/zenirc ;; (/usr/share/doc/entity/examples/tests/py-module-bork.e) in interpreters/entity ;; (/usr/share/games/amphetamine/sounds/{borkh.wav|borkl.wav}) in games/amphetamine-data ;; (/usr/share/xemacs21/xemacs-packages/lisp/zenirc/zenirc-bork.elc) in editors/xemacs21-basesupport. |
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| 12:47.46 | abrotman | hrm .. not bork |
| 12:47.50 | abrotman | must be chef |
| 12:48.01 | abrotman | it's chef |
| 12:48.13 | resiak | b1ff > chef :) |
| 12:48.14 | RichiH | !find chef |
| 12:48.21 | abrotman | echo "I make yummy steak" | chef | cowthink |
| 12:48.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'chef' (5 of 19): (/usr/games/chef) in games/filters ;; (/usr/share/ewiki/plugins/filter/fun_chef.php) in web/ewiki ;; (/usr/share/webmin/mount/images/cachefs.gif) in admin/webmin-core ;; (/usr/include/x86_64-linux/asm/cacheflush.h) in libdevel/amd64-libs-dev ;; (/usr/i386-uclibc-linux/include/asm/cacheflush.h) in libdevel/libuclibc-dev. |
| 12:48.25 | abrotman | resiak: echo "I make yummy steak" | chef | cowthink |
| 12:48.34 | RichiH | cowsay help, i\'m broken | figlet -tW ;) |
| 12:48.38 | RichiH | or just use fixed font |
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| 12:49.01 | resiak | abrotman: Okaye |
| 12:49.02 | abrotman | RichiH: i like mine better |
| 12:49.08 | abrotman | resiak: you need filters installed |
| 12:49.37 | resiak | abrotman: I'm aware of that. |
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| 12:50.04 | abrotman | resiak: not funny .. |
| 12:50.06 | abrotman | i'm a loser |
| 12:50.11 | resiak | abrotman: Why? |
| 12:50.14 | abrotman | i'm a toolish loser :) |
| 12:50.29 | abrotman | i love the filters ... |
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| 12:50.50 | resiak | abrotman: uniencode! |
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| 12:51.37 | abrotman | resiak: echo "I make yummy steak" | chef | cowthink |
| 12:51.43 | drummer87 | hi guys, i have an old gateway computer running as a server and it's a bit noisey... all it has is a small 90watt psu (or 60watt, can't remember) .. would it be possible to remove the fan from the psu if it was otherwise well ventilated? |
| 12:51.52 | resiak | abrotman: I DID THAT YOU WANG |
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| 12:52.00 | abrotman | resiak: again .. funny HAHAHAHH |
| 12:52.01 | nasembuto | my debian can't start... appear this message.. hda: DMA disabled hdb: DMA disabled... then "kernel attempt to kill it!" what is the problem? :( |
| 12:52.24 | abrotman | drummer87: probably .. be aware it'd be virtually impossible to replace if it dies |
| 12:53.31 | resiak | abrotman: echo "I make yummy steak" | chef | cowthink -w -T UU |
| 12:53.34 | iostream | Does anyone know how I can search for only directories with slocate? |
| 12:53.41 | drummer87 | hmmm... i was thinking of having the whole thing in a cabinet/cupboard or something.. very roomy |
| 12:54.02 | drummer87 | if it does die i can always get a cheap replacement |
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| 12:55.54 | FieldySnuts | ~start a gpu war |
| 12:56.26 | abrotman | hheh |
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| 12:56.52 | resiak | !start a wang war |
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| 12:56.56 | abrotman | drummer87: well .. why not then ... |
| 12:57.30 | abrotman | resiak: -WW ! |
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| 12:57.49 | resiak | ? |
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| 12:58.16 | goccia | and now no need for kde deyboard layuot on |
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| 12:58.58 | goccia | can't see any speed loss/improvement |
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| 12:59.57 | SimonRaven | @bed abrotman |
| 13:00.31 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i just got up like 2 hours ago :) |
| 13:00.49 | SimonRaven | hehe. i just got up, meself |
| 13:00.59 | abrotman | SimonRaven: but you're in canada .. you're lazy :) |
| 13:02.06 | Phated | :O |
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| 13:02.21 | Phated | SimonRaven: Is this a permanent change from simonrvn? |
| 13:02.31 | abrotman | ravenbird: who owns you |
| 13:02.32 | ravenbird | simonrvn |
| 13:02.41 | peterS | he's found some vowels, it seems, and capital letters |
| 13:02.50 | abrotman | peterS: don't you ever sleep ? :) |
| 13:03.00 | Phated | So he's discovered English. Finally, eh. ; |
| 13:03.13 | SimonRaven | O_O |
| 13:03.14 | abrotman | SimonRaven: are you quebecois ? |
| 13:03.15 | peterS | abrotman: sometimes. I slept a few hours yesterday afternoon |
| 13:03.27 | SimonRaven | abrotman: only in the sense that i live here |
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| 13:03.38 | abrotman | SimonRaven: but you're not really fluent in french ? |
| 13:03.46 | SimonRaven | (and grew up here) |
| 13:03.50 | SimonRaven | yes i am |
| 13:03.58 | abrotman | SimonRaven: are you a separatist ? |
| 13:03.59 | SimonRaven | joual, itou |
| 13:04.02 | SimonRaven | no |
| 13:04.08 | abrotman | is that still going on? |
| 13:04.10 | [IDR]RedDrake | anyone here with experience with the spca5xx drivers? |
| 13:04.21 | abrotman | i remember .. what .. 10 years ago .. when quebec really wanted to become its own country |
| 13:04.25 | SimonRaven | yes. *sigh*. |
| 13:04.27 | sussudio | !tell [IDR]RedDrake about ask |
| 13:04.38 | useruser_ | [IDR]RedDrake: yes, a long time ago. they're the crappy pencams, right? |
| 13:04.55 | [IDR]RedDrake | not quite |
| 13:05.08 | useruser_ | [IDR]RedDrake: ok, ignore me |
| 13:05.12 | [IDR]RedDrake | spca5xx includes a variety of webcmas |
| 13:05.26 | prock | I think something is blanking my laptop screen every 20 minutes. Would some sort of power management module do this? |
| 13:05.27 | [IDR]RedDrake | including the logitech QC express |
| 13:05.36 | abrotman | prock: dpms |
| 13:05.40 | [IDR]RedDrake | and I can't get it working :S |
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| 13:05.47 | abrotman | !tell prock about dpms |
| 13:06.31 | Trace | DivideByO, It is sucessful!! it costs me an hour to do this work. |
| 13:06.43 | Trace | i also need to install my grub now. |
| 13:06.46 | Trace | thx!!! |
| 13:07.02 | useruser_ | RedDrake: when i had trouble i got help in #gphoto or whatever it's called |
| 13:07.15 | prock | abrotman: thanks much :) |
| 13:07.23 | useruser_ | RedDrake: that was a loong time ago, though |
| 13:07.25 | prock | hope that works, I guess we'll see in 20 minutes |
| 13:07.52 | RedDrake | ok, thanks, I'll try there |
| 13:08.04 | abrotman | prock: you want it off btw :) |
| 13:08.21 | SimonRaven | quebec is one of many provinces today that their original borders were a lot smaller. and they expanded them despite the fact a) treaties weren't signed b) respected when some were made c) we're getting run over like we didn't exist. like me for example, the feds could argue that i don't have title, due to scrip. which is bullshit, since it was fraud in the first place, like many of the so-called treaties in new england. |
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| 13:08.33 | DivideByO | Trace: happy to hear that you succeded :) |
| 13:08.44 | useruser_ | canadian politics sucks |
| 13:08.52 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you're an indentured servant ? |
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| 13:09.21 | SimonRaven | abrotman: eh? |
| 13:09.23 | prock | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 13:09.56 | abrotman | like enscripted .. oh well |
| 13:09.59 | coywolf | how to allow normal user to use /dev/net/tun? |
| 13:10.13 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you're saying .. quebec sucks ? |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you're in QC or near by ? |
| 13:11.49 | SimonRaven | abrotman: i'm saying that most states and provinces in n. america, many of them shouldn't even exist, or exist with their current borders, due to unsettled or non-existent treaties. i'm in southern quebec, on the st lawrence |
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| 13:12.21 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/07/msg00315.html |
| 13:12.33 | abrotman | SimonRaven: duh .. we stole the land from the inhabitants :) |
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| 13:14.02 | abrotman | yeegods .. |
| 13:14.28 | daxxar | Anyone know of a commandline program that uses a v4l-compatible webcam to grab a frame and dump to file? |
| 13:14.32 | daxxar | Preferrably in a readable format |
| 13:14.34 | abrotman | so apparently according to joey and joey .. mozilla products seem to be basically un-security.d.o usable |
| 13:14.41 | daxxar | viewable. (jpeg, png) |
| 13:15.30 | J-Ph | anybody got a revelation about my vfat problem? |
| 13:15.54 | abrotman | J-Ph: what problem ? |
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| 13:16.05 | SimonRaven | what about sticking them in volatile? |
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| 13:16.14 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
| 13:16.23 | J-Ph | some of my dirs and/or subdirs are not writable for normal user |
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| 13:16.32 | SimonRaven | fuck, still segfaulting |
| 13:16.37 | J-Ph | if they all were it was explainable for me |
| 13:16.54 | abrotman | SimonRaven: that would work had it been included when installing sarge . they'd need some .. 'patch' to put the volatile source in sarge's sources |
| 13:16.57 | TBBle | daxxar: v4ltools or something. see what xawtv recommends. (Or it might even be in the xawtv package) |
| 13:17.05 | abrotman | !tell J-Ph about vfatrw |
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| 13:18.09 | SimonRaven | true... damn |
| 13:18.11 | J-Ph | abrotman, I tried that allready |
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| 13:18.44 | abrotman | J-Ph: vfat doesn't really have permissions .. so if the mount point is correct etc .. should just work |
| 13:18.46 | J-Ph | nkuttler knows all about my problem |
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| 13:18.56 | J-Ph | abrotman, yes it should.... |
| 13:18.57 | Eclipser | nngh |
| 13:18.59 | Eclipser | stupid ati drivers |
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| 13:19.10 | J-Ph | and it has worked in the passed |
| 13:19.23 | J-Ph | its a real mindf*ck*r |
| 13:19.23 | Eclipser | for some reason my X uses mesa instead even though I installed ati drivers just as was instructed |
| 13:19.46 | abrotman | #ati ? |
| 13:19.47 | J-Ph | and 18 giga to cp mkfs cp is not possible |
| 13:19.47 | TBBle | daxxar: v4lctl |
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| 13:20.04 | J-Ph | my usb devices with vfat work fine |
| 13:20.16 | J-Ph | its just the bastard of an hda8 that doesnt work fine suddenly |
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| 13:20.34 | J-Ph | tried codepages too |
| 13:20.40 | J-Ph | uid |
| 13:20.41 | J-Ph | umasks |
| 13:20.43 | J-Ph | etc |
| 13:20.58 | J-Ph | it all makes no sense to me and the rest |
| 13:21.00 | Trace | DivideByO: when i try to "grub-install /dev/hda" in knoppix liveCD(chroot to my linux), system told me |
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| 13:21.20 | Trace | /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 13:21.31 | Trace | Do you know how to deal with it? |
| 13:21.32 | J-Ph | the fstab parameters that i use for mandrake does not work for debian too |
| 13:22.12 | DivideByO | Trace: stupid question, your /boot/grub/stage1 file inside the chrooted environment is really there? |
| 13:22.25 | J-Ph | that partition is the old my documents partition, so all my data is on it |
| 13:22.45 | J-Ph | so i prefer to keep those files on it |
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| 13:22.48 | Trace | I don't know what is your mean....sorry |
| 13:22.53 | J-Ph | and work on it without being root |
| 13:22.54 | xoz | Trace: you should mount your root during boot. don't us chroot. |
| 13:23.01 | xoz | *use |
| 13:23.14 | DivideByO | Trace: you mounted your old hard disk with knoppix, right? |
| 13:23.22 | Trace | yes. |
| 13:23.44 | DivideByO | Trace: your /old_hard_drive/boot/grub/stage1 file is present? |
| 13:23.52 | J-Ph | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.53 | xoz | Trace: use rescue disk. installing grub in chroot won't work. chroot is not a real root. |
| 13:23.57 | Trace | yes |
| 13:24.01 | SimonRaven | abrotman: you said 'duh'. *you* know this, gov'ts know this too. still doesn't stop them from doing what they doing, regardless |
| 13:24.06 | J-Ph | that even make my whole partition not writable |
| 13:24.22 | J-Ph | #/dev/hda8 /home/jph/data vfat defaults,user,uid=jph,noexec,noauto,umask=000 0 0 make some not writable |
| 13:24.29 | Trace | oh~~~, So, i need to find a rescue cd. is it right? |
| 13:24.30 | DivideByO | Trace: did you try with lilo? :> |
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| 13:24.40 | J-Ph | #/dev/hda8 /home/jph/data vfat codepage=850,rw,user,dev,auto,utf8,fmask=002,dmask=002,umask=002 0 0 |
| 13:24.44 | J-Ph | this make other not writable |
| 13:24.48 | xoz | Trace: doing that won't work. use a RESCUE disk and mount your root during boot. |
| 13:24.50 | igod | Hi everyone |
| 13:24.51 | J-Ph | just makes no sense... |
| 13:24.52 | SimonRaven | um, i don't think you need to use a codepage= if you're using an iocharset= . i could be wrong however |
| 13:24.53 | liable | Trace: what if you just run 'grub' (shouldnt make a diff but...) |
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| 13:25.03 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i know ... gvt's suck |
| 13:25.06 | SimonRaven | you need to use iocharset=utf8 |
| 13:25.23 | abrotman | stupid mozilla foundation |
| 13:25.32 | xoz | grub needs to access info from a real root, not from a chroot. |
| 13:25.33 | DivideByO | Trace: xoz is right, you should boot from a rescue disk and boot directly into your rescued root partition |
| 13:25.48 | SimonRaven | mount is going see a parsing / syntax error with ',utf8,' like that |
| 13:26.08 | J-Ph | you wanna see a screengrab of the situation? |
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| 13:26.26 | SimonRaven | chroot + mount / r/w + mount /proc should do |
| 13:26.41 | J-Ph | SimonRaven, strangely enough it doesnt... |
| 13:26.45 | honschu | How is this proprietary word-like qt program named? |
| 13:26.59 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 13:26.59 | J-Ph | chroot + mount how? |
| 13:27.01 | igod | I have a strange problem... I install debian sarge via http and after some hours execution they seems like freeze computer... I think it's postgresql ( because on my tests postrgesql have problem to shutdown .. Anyone knows any problem similar ?? |
| 13:27.09 | SimonRaven | info chroot |
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| 13:27.41 | Trace | where shall i get a rescue CD? i just have knoppix and ubutu liveCD |
| 13:27.49 | J-Ph | !chroot |
| 13:27.49 | dpkg | chroot is probably a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 13:27.51 | SimonRaven | that's fine |
| 13:27.52 | igod | computer works, but vere slow |
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| 13:28.49 | jamesm | :) |
| 13:29.04 | liable | Trace: you can use knoppix. I have done it before. |
| 13:29.06 | Yevgeniy | I'm trying to be ablie to access ntfs with any user, what UID do I have to write in fstab? |
| 13:29.07 | SimonRaven | Trace: that's fine. |
| 13:29.18 | Trace | Knoppix liveCD? |
| 13:29.21 | igod | anyone could help me with that ? |
| 13:29.22 | SimonRaven | that user's uid |
| 13:29.23 | liable | yes |
| 13:29.29 | J-Ph | SimonRaven, is that one command with their parameters |
| 13:29.38 | J-Ph | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:29.41 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: is what is? |
| 13:29.43 | Trace | Liable, do you mean knoppix livecd can do the job of rescue? |
| 13:29.45 | Yevgeniy | what if I want muliple users? |
| 13:29.58 | liable | Trace: yes, type 'grub' |
| 13:30.01 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: not quite, but close in some of them |
| 13:30.41 | Trace | Liable, do you mean when i boot knoppix, i type grub? or i start a terminal in knoppix liveCD and type grub? |
| 13:30.57 | liable | Trace: in a root terminal |
| 13:31.11 | J-Ph | wanna see the folders in the root of my partition? after an ls -lh ? |
| 13:31.28 | Trace | and then ? i have tried tyep "grub-install /dev/hda" but fail in root terminal |
| 13:31.28 | J-Ph | just 5 lines.. |
| 13:31.32 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: no |
| 13:31.45 | liable | Trace: do you get a > prompt? |
| 13:31.57 | J-Ph | maybe its because of the naming of the dir |
| 13:32.12 | Trace | liable, i may tell you, i am in my liveCD |
| 13:32.23 | liable | Trace: yeah so? |
| 13:32.29 | Trace | i cannot get in my linux system now because of grub. |
| 13:32.39 | liable | yes.. |
| 13:32.39 | Trace | so , i want to reinstall my grub first. |
| 13:32.51 | liable | Trace: just type 'grub'... |
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| 13:33.01 | coywolf | !find parport |
| 13:33.03 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'parport' (2): libparportled ;; libparportled-dev. |
| 13:33.05 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: name wouldn't matter unless it's got a space in it. then i don't know it might puke when trying to mount it |
| 13:33.05 | Trace | ok, liable, and then? |
| 13:33.28 | SimonRaven | a space, or some other non-shell safe character |
| 13:33.30 | coywolf | are /dev/parport? debian native nodes? |
| 13:33.38 | liable | Trace: you at a > prompt? whats your / partition and is it hda? |
| 13:33.42 | xoz | Trace: at the rescue prompt, type the kernel to boot: like rescue root=/dev/hda1.... which would actually mount your real root. then, you can use grub from there. |
| 13:33.56 | J-Ph | it mounts wel and they even with no spacing in the naming it is not writable |
| 13:34.09 | J-Ph | excuse my bad english |
| 13:34.15 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: what fs is this again? |
| 13:34.22 | J-Ph | vfat |
| 13:34.30 | J-Ph | fat32 under winblows |
| 13:34.35 | Trace | xoz, because i just have knoppix liveCD now, so, do you mean knoppix liveCd can help me? |
| 13:34.38 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: i've seen worse from 'mer'kins ;) |
| 13:34.45 | J-Ph | lol |
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| 13:35.03 | J-Ph | i guess i boot after one week back to winblows |
| 13:35.16 | J-Ph | copy it to the ntfs partition of my usb device |
| 13:35.32 | J-Ph | mkfs ext3 or reiser the buggy vfat |
| 13:35.37 | J-Ph | and then copy it from ntfs |
| 13:35.45 | xoz | Trace: i don't know if knoppix will allow you to load your root during boot. you have to pass a parameter at boot prompt. using the rescue disk is the best option. it was built that way. |
| 13:35.48 | J-Ph | and remove ntfs later on the usb device if possible |
| 13:35.58 | J-Ph | (if drive space available) |
| 13:36.02 | SimonRaven | i'd fsck it, see if it's ok. sometimes the system will complain if it needs to be fscked. could be something else, too. but otherwise uid=XXX,gid=XXX etc should work |
| 13:36.09 | Trace | OK, i don't have rescue CD actually now... |
| 13:36.09 | liable | xoz: of course you can use knoppix to fix grub.. |
| 13:36.12 | DivideByO | Trace: do you have debian's disk 1 lying around? |
| 13:36.22 | xoz | Trace: debian installer has the rescue option. |
| 13:36.24 | DivideByO | Trace: you can use a debian cd to boot into your root partition, i think |
| 13:36.26 | liable | jesus christ |
| 13:36.28 | J-Ph | it does a dosfsk at boot time |
| 13:36.31 | J-Ph | with no errors |
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| 13:36.52 | Trace | I have sarge Debian CD . |
| 13:37.12 | J-Ph | i am fchk /dev/hda8 now |
| 13:37.18 | Trace | but when i try to type linux rescue in boot prompt, i don't get in rescue mode. |
| 13:37.19 | xoz | liable: fixing grub is not the issue. it's making your root as the main root. not mounting it and use in chroot. i've tried it many times, it won't work. you need your root to be root during booting. |
| 13:37.21 | J-Ph | got no error messages |
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| 13:37.38 | DivideByO | Trace: try to boot with that cd and when it asks boot options, type: linux rescue root=/dev/hda |
| 13:37.38 | J-Ph | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
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| 13:37.44 | Trace | thanks!! xoz, i think so. |
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| 13:37.53 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: here, read this > /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 13:37.58 | Trace | ok, DivideBy0, let me have a try!! |
| 13:37.58 | resiak | xoz: Bullshit!!!!!111 |
| 13:38.04 | liable | xoz: I *have* fixed grub with knoppix |
| 13:38.05 | xoz | resiak: fuck |
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| 13:38.21 | resiak | xoz: WANG! |
| 13:38.22 | J-Ph | SimonRaven, i tried that allready, maybe not correctly (i hope!) |
| 13:38.35 | J-Ph | !vfatrw |
| 13:38.35 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 13:38.38 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: try again. maybe you missed something? |
| 13:38.48 | DivideByO | Trace: obviously you should replace /dev/hda with your true root partition |
| 13:38.48 | ukanus | hi folks.... can u tell me how can i save modify on grub? i've changed position of HD, and now each time i start my debian, i must change boot on grub...so how can i save modifies?! |
| 13:38.56 | J-Ph | uid is that number or login name |
| 13:39.03 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: no, the number |
| 13:39.04 | Trace | liable, i think i will try your methord later. anyway, thx!! liable!! |
| 13:39.05 | DivideByO | Trace, eg.: linux rescue root=/dev/hda1 |
| 13:39.18 | DivideByO | Trace: or simply, linux root=/dev/hda1 |
| 13:39.20 | Trace | ok , i am rebooting now. |
| 13:39.23 | asg | ukanus: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:39.25 | resiak | asg: Not really. |
| 13:39.30 | J-Ph | how do i know the number belonging to me? |
| 13:39.34 | resiak | xoz: I DID IT TWO DAYS AGO |
| 13:39.38 | asg | resiak: well, next to badger, wang is his favorite word |
| 13:39.40 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: do 'id', then see what numbers there are. use the first and 2nd, for say, your user and your primary group |
| 13:39.44 | resiak | asg: I'm aware of that. :) |
| 13:39.48 | ukanus | asg: i try but each tim i restart is same! |
| 13:39.49 | FieldySnuts | badgerwangtek |
| 13:39.59 | liable | xoz: What dont you understand about "i have done it"??? |
| 13:40.03 | resiak | Yay, FieldySnuts has wang and badger on hilight! |
| 13:40.06 | SimonRaven | badgerwangtekfubaredfartfish |
| 13:40.12 | miz | Firefox hates me :( I've deleted nearly any file that had anything in common with firefox or mozilla... Installed mozilla-firefox again, still, running firefox makes 2 lines of '*** loading the extensions datasource' and freezes until I hit ^C >.> |
| 13:40.12 | J-Ph | ok thnx |
| 13:40.19 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite SimonRaven |
| 13:40.19 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: i wouldnt take a back hander for that bush pig bloody mate |
| 13:40.27 | xoz | resiak, liable: my suggestion works 100% of the time! |
| 13:40.34 | resiak | xoz: So does ours. |
| 13:40.45 | J-Ph | its 1000 |
| 13:40.58 | J-Ph | and it still does not cover all dirs ... |
| 13:41.03 | xoz | because you're a moron |
| 13:41.05 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: yup. stick that in uid= |
| 13:41.08 | J-Ph | makes me wanna fdisk |
| 13:41.29 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: well, the perms needs to be set for the other dirs. that just tells it how to mount it |
| 13:41.40 | resiak | liable: Have you just applied /ignore ? |
| 13:41.52 | SimonRaven | first it being mount, second one being the partition |
| 13:42.18 | liable | resiak: no, but like you I am going to give up. |
| 13:42.25 | J-Ph | why doesnt it cover all the folders |
| 13:42.27 | Trace | But i really don't find any rescue promptions in help with Sarge Debian. |
| 13:42.32 | FieldySnuts | s/folders/directories/ |
| 13:42.35 | SimonRaven | doesn't work that way |
| 13:42.38 | SimonRaven | @folders |
| 13:42.39 | ravenbird | in non-moronic language, directories |
| 13:42.42 | SimonRaven | @folder |
| 13:42.42 | ravenbird | i guess folder is its a directory damnit!, or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
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| 13:42.49 | goccia | miz: ~.mozilla included ? |
| 13:42.54 | J-Ph | folder is for windows users |
| 13:42.56 | SimonRaven | hrm, needs a bit of tweak |
| 13:42.57 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.57 | apt | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
| 13:43.04 | FieldySnuts | didn't mean to trigger that |
| 13:43.13 | xoz | the installer has a rescue disk... so it's really a *strange* thing to use other *ppix* to fix it |
| 13:43.16 | J-Ph | well |
| 13:43.22 | J-Ph | thanks for all your precisous time |
| 13:43.23 | miz | Yes goccia... The fun part is, if I use another user, even root, it runs fine |
| 13:43.26 | SimonRaven | np |
| 13:43.26 | liable | !knoppix |
| 13:43.26 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
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| 13:43.38 | J-Ph | but i'm still were i was yesterday afternoon |
| 13:43.46 | SimonRaven | :/ |
| 13:43.50 | liable | xoz: see what it says, a good rescue disk??? |
| 13:43.50 | miz | But on my regular user, it just refuses to run -.- |
| 13:44.04 | J-Ph | i guess |
| 13:44.05 | xoz | but it's not debian rescue disk |
| 13:44.10 | Eclipser | should I use udev? |
| 13:44.10 | antgel | xoz: don't be a knobjockey |
| 13:44.16 | J-Ph | its a buggy version of mount or whatever modules depending on it |
| 13:44.16 | Trace | xoz, "linux rescue root=/dev/hda1" but kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs |
| 13:44.22 | SimonRaven | Eclipser: why? |
| 13:44.31 | J-Ph | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.36 | hagisbasheruk | someting funny i came accros on the web http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ hope you like it as much as i did |
| 13:44.42 | Eclipser | just wondering :), installing alsa-base with aptitude and it recommends udev |
| 13:44.46 | antgel | it's the best rescue disk out there as you get all the tools and bits and pieces that you need without having to piss about |
| 13:44.47 | Eclipser | well, suggests |
| 13:44.48 | FieldySnuts | @ops hagisbasheruk spamming |
| 13:44.48 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: hagisbasheruk spamming |
| 13:44.54 | J-Ph | and my mandrake fstab settings (on my server) for vfat doesnt cover it too |
| 13:45.02 | DivideByO | Trace: you mounted /dev/hda1 successfully from knoppix, right? |
| 13:45.02 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: hmm, not sure. i can't think of anything ATM. it should work, but doesn't for some reason i don't see |
| 13:45.12 | xoz | Trace: you should use the name of linux boot: is it linux? or rescue? not both. |
| 13:45.30 | antgel | FieldySnuts: what is the @ stuff? i know ! talks to dpkg |
| 13:45.34 | SimonRaven | fuck |
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| 13:46.20 | positrix | antgel: its pretty obvious that @ talks to ravenbird |
| 13:46.24 | Trace | I mean , i start with Sarge Debian(a small Debian install CD), and type "**" in boot |
| 13:46.38 | Trace | linux rescue root=/dev/hda1 |
| 13:46.46 | J-Ph | and ive been carefull not apt-getting unstable mirrors |
| 13:46.56 | antgel | positrix: how silly of me, and wtf does ravenbird do? |
| 13:46.58 | xoz | Trace: try: rescue root=/dev/hda1.... assuming hda1 is your root. |
| 13:47.13 | antgel | !ravenbird |
| 13:47.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ravenbird is so cool |
| 13:47.14 | asg | antgel: it insults people in french |
| 13:47.22 | antgel | well that's modern society for you |
| 13:47.34 | Trace | ok , let me try it. |
| 13:47.47 | xoz | Trace: or read the help files by pressing F1 or F2, etc... im sure it is explained somewhere how to use rescue. |
| 13:48.28 | SimonRaven | yay, fixed. i like it when the solution is simple |
| 13:48.32 | antgel | and another thing. how is it that there are no ops here, but all is hunky dory? |
| 13:48.33 | Trace | i tried to type F* and check it, but with no luck. i don't find any about rescue |
| 13:48.33 | resiak | Trace: Or you could just use a livecd, since it works and this way clearly is proving difficult. |
| 13:48.47 | Trace | what do you mean, resiak? |
| 13:48.52 | SimonRaven | i had php4-cli segfaulting when running a script |
| 13:49.01 | asg | antgel: most ops are not around on weekends. |
| 13:49.10 | DivideByO | resiak: he needs to boot directly into his root partition, NOT mount it from a live cd |
| 13:49.14 | antgel | asg: it's always like this |
| 13:49.19 | xoz | Trace: try linux2.6 root=/dev/hda1 or linux root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 13:49.23 | resiak | DivideByO: Why? To restore grub? No he doesn't! |
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| 13:49.31 | asg | antgel: always like what? |
| 13:49.40 | antgel | always with no human ops |
| 13:49.43 | goccia | miz: i'm really really a lucky man : anything i do on my beloved sarge works : firefox1.0.6 kernels installing xorg and replacing xfree and more more : did you let apt doing the job or did you deleted "by hand" ? |
| 13:50.00 | J-Ph | SimonRaven, what is the necessary paramter for spaces in the naming? |
| 13:50.04 | asg | antgel: on the weekends yes, though bob2 and caphuso are often around. During the week, there are lots of ops. |
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| 13:50.15 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: easier to just have no spaces |
| 13:50.16 | DivideByO | resiak: it seems that installing grub from a chrooted environment doesn't work |
| 13:50.24 | antgel | asg: fine. i have never noticed any. :) |
| 13:50.25 | J-Ph | but i cant rename them now |
| 13:50.35 | xoz | resiak: o o another witness |
| 13:50.41 | SimonRaven | why not? |
| 13:50.46 | liable | DivideByO: bullshit. |
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| 13:50.49 | asg | antgel: greycat, dondelelcaro are on quite frequently during the week. |
| 13:50.53 | xoz | DivideByO: yep. doesn't work all the time |
| 13:51.00 | Anthro | Does anyone know of a Firefox plugin equivalent to mozex for Mozilla? I managed to install mozex under Firefox, and its menu shows up in the contextual menu, but I can't configure it. |
| 13:51.02 | J-Ph | cause now even mc wont run *sigh* |
| 13:51.08 | FieldySnuts | i've never seen it not work. probably more likely user error. |
| 13:51.12 | resiak | DivideByO: It works _every_ time. But clearly I am not right, because people say it doesn't. |
| 13:51.23 | xophEr | How can I modify the netinstall.iso to use a custom kernel Ive built? |
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| 13:51.29 | FieldySnuts | amen. |
| 13:51.36 | antgel | Anthro: is mozec not quite old and deprecated? |
| 13:51.47 | pkahle | quit |
| 13:51.49 | pkahle | \quit |
| 13:51.54 | asg | pkahle: /quit |
| 13:52.04 | Anthro | antgel: Okay, so it's old and deprecated. It works great under Mozilla, and I want that functionality under Firefox. |
| 13:52.10 | SimonRaven | why wouldn't it work? what's so special about the chroot? a box operates chrooted all the time, just that / really is /, and not some /var/lib/chroot or whatever |
| 13:52.10 | xoz | because not all hardware/devs are similar, loading your root during boot is the best way. |
| 13:52.15 | J-Ph | is there someone overhere programming for the debian communicty? |
| 13:53.12 | xoz | yeah. you can run X in chroot and after sometime it will bomb because it is just not built to be the real root. |
| 13:53.42 | SimonRaven | i've never seen x exit because it was chrooted |
| 13:53.54 | liable | gah, ok lets use the fucking install cd, what a load of shit. |
| 13:53.55 | SimonRaven | if it's set up properly, it shouldn't be |
| 13:54.04 | xoz | how many times you tried it? |
| 13:54.05 | liable | Trace: just put in 'linux rescue' |
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| 13:54.50 | SimonRaven | several. |
| 13:54.54 | J-Ph | thanks to debian i have to reboot and go back to windows *sigh* |
| 13:54.58 | J-Ph | bastards |
| 13:55.09 | liable | xoz: wtf does x have to do with installing grub? |
| 13:55.15 | J-Ph | got wifi working and all |
| 13:55.31 | liable | J-Ph: we try to please :) |
| 13:55.32 | antgel | Anthro: what functionality in particular? |
| 13:55.33 | xoz | Trace: is lucky to have so many people willing to help. Trace if our suggestion won't work, you are doomed ;) |
| 13:55.35 | J-Ph | except that "very fine annoying tree" |
| 13:55.42 | FieldySnuts | if it isn't obvious, taking advice from DivideByO or xoz on this issue is null and void. but it's up to you. |
| 13:55.51 | antgel | J-Ph: my debian install never made me do that |
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| 13:56.00 | J-Ph | my first install too |
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| 13:56.08 | Anthro | antgel: The big thing is editing textareas with an external editor |
| 13:56.08 | J-Ph | but this is my second (more clean) install |
| 13:56.17 | xoz | loading root during boot is null and void. this is the technique even before the advent of livcd |
| 13:56.26 | J-Ph | i have nothing against debian |
| 13:56.39 | J-Ph | just very very very weird it suddenly doesnt work without any parameter |
| 13:56.49 | goccia | no way |
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| 13:56.52 | snarcez | hi all |
| 13:56.57 | goccia | can't belive it |
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| 13:57.02 | J-Ph | and i have no free space to make it ext3 or reiser |
| 13:57.07 | snarcez | i just installed debian |
| 13:57.11 | goccia | lie*vi :) |
| 13:57.18 | snarcez | is my first time withlinux |
| 13:57.36 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: lemme see the pertinent fstab line? |
| 13:57.40 | J-Ph | btw! |
| 13:57.46 | J-Ph | during the install of debian |
| 13:57.51 | J-Ph | there were 2 fat32 options |
| 13:57.52 | abrotman | snarcez: and you of course .. love it! |
| 13:57.53 | phogg | snarcez: good for you |
| 13:57.59 | J-Ph | i guess i choose the good one monday |
| 13:58.03 | J-Ph | and the bad one yesterday |
| 13:58.20 | J-Ph | #/dev/hda8 /home/jph/data vfat codepage=850,rw,user,dev,auto,utf8,fmask=002,dmask=002,umask=002 0 0 |
| 13:58.20 | J-Ph | /dev/hda8 /home/jph/data vfat defaults,user,uid=jph,noexec,noauto,umask=002 0 0 |
| 13:58.20 | J-Ph | #/dev/hda8 /home/jph/data vfat umask=022,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,auto,exec,quiet 0 0 |
| 13:58.20 | J-Ph | #/dev/hda8 /home/jph/data vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
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| 13:58.47 | phogg | ho hum |
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| 13:58.57 | abrotman | hey smart man .. don't paste |
| 13:58.57 | J-Ph | voila the all not working options |
| 13:58.58 | liable | :P |
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| 13:59.05 | coywolf | how to list a file's ctime, mtime etc ? |
| 13:59.08 | J-Ph | some are worse then others |
| 13:59.12 | asg | coywolf: stat <file> |
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| 13:59.13 | SimonRaven | J-Ph: please don't paste here. i should have told you about #flood, or using paster |
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| 13:59.31 | goccia | coywolf: stat ? |
| 13:59.32 | J-Ph | i dont mind being kicked |
| 13:59.35 | J-Ph | as long it doesnt hurt |
| 13:59.39 | J-Ph | lol |
| 13:59.41 | asg | J-Ph: we mind you spamming the channel |
| 13:59.42 | liable | Trace: so, what are you doing? |
| 13:59.46 | abrotman | do it repeatedly .. you'll get banned |
| 13:59.46 | snarcez | it's my first time with linux... I would like to see it in italian but although i setted always italian in the installation it shows me in english |
| 13:59.51 | coywolf | asg, goccia what kind of time is it in ls result? |
| 14:00.04 | J-Ph | antgel, but no one ones to msg so... |
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| 14:00.15 | asg | coywolf: ctime |
| 14:00.15 | goccia | * i keep me self undercover |
| 14:00.18 | J-Ph | looks like a typical dutch policy rofl |
| 14:00.24 | antgel | Anthro: it won't even install on my Firefox. all i can suggest is to use the source. |
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| 14:00.32 | J-Ph | "they can sell dope but not cultivate it" |
| 14:00.37 | antgel | J-Ph: eh? |
| 14:00.55 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: banned by who, exactly. |
| 14:00.56 | J-Ph | anyway, im going to smoke a cigarette |
| 14:00.58 | J-Ph | brb |
| 14:01.06 | Anthro | antgel: I was actually looking for a replacement. Thanks anyway. |
| 14:01.12 | findme | eek cigarette |
| 14:01.35 | J-Ph | havent got better overhere |
| 14:01.58 | J-Ph | this vfat mystery is working on my central nervous system |
| 14:02.11 | antgel | no, that's the nicotine |
| 14:02.11 | xophEr | How can I modify a netinstall iso so itll install a custom kernel instead of the default one? |
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| 14:02.19 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: well .. you know .. the people that should that are never here :) |
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| 14:02.35 | FieldySnuts | same problem no solution, methinks nobody cares, so he can flood away |
| 14:02.39 | sussudio | yeah like coywolf was banned with different masks about 35 times before |
| 14:02.41 | liable | xophEr: go to debian.org theres a doc for it. |
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| 14:03.20 | coywolf | sussudio, wrong, it's 32 times |
| 14:03.24 | xophEr | liable, ok, thanks |
| 14:03.30 | coywolf | sussudio, wrong, it's 53 times |
| 14:03.36 | FieldySnuts | @annoy coywolf |
| 14:03.36 | ravenbird | coywolf: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 14:03.57 | antgel | this ravenbird is the best bot since dpkg |
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| 14:05.18 | me_here | uups |
| 14:05.26 | sussudio | oh look. an op. |
| 14:05.52 | me_here | is dpkg not up ? |
| 14:05.53 | abrotman | sussudio: you lie! |
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| 14:05.58 | abrotman | dpkg: where are you |
| 14:05.59 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 14:06.12 | me_here | or has it changed to something else? |
| 14:06.15 | FieldySnuts | ~gender |
| 14:06.15 | apt | I'm female |
| 14:06.39 | xophEr | liable, where on debian.org / documentation should I look? |
| 14:06.47 | joesbox | apt: nothing wrong with that |
| 14:06.52 | antgel | xophEr: have a look at the d-i docs |
| 14:06.53 | abrotman | !custom net inst |
| 14:06.56 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 14:06.56 | dpkg | it has been said that custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
| 14:07.00 | joesbox | apt: i like females |
| 14:07.00 | apt | You like females? |
| 14:07.01 | abrotman | erm .. that's not right |
| 14:07.16 | liable | xophEr: sec |
| 14:07.46 | abrotman | liable: xophEr http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 14:07.52 | joesbox | lol |
| 14:07.54 | xophEr | thanks |
| 14:08.01 | abrotman | !custom netinst is also http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 14:08.01 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 14:08.24 | FieldySnuts | cough tinyurl |
| 14:08.33 | abrotman | whihc won't keep it? |
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| 14:08.58 | FieldySnuts | as far as I know it does permanently. alternatively: http://hugeurl.brokenmoon.net/ but I don't think that's useful for irc :P |
| 14:09.02 | liable | its in the install docs too I believe.. |
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| 14:09.11 | FieldySnuts | very funny though. tip: hugeurl a hugeurl. then try and access it. |
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| 14:09.49 | FieldySnuts | The HUGE url that was created is a MANLY 739 characters, and is as follows: |
| 14:09.50 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
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| 14:10.10 | SimonRaven | i see 4 |
| 14:10.14 | Toastie_ | Why building libc requires 'gnumach-dev'? |
| 14:10.16 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 14:10.18 | sussudio | there are *FIVE* |
| 14:10.30 | SimonRaven | well, if you count the \n, sure |
| 14:10.34 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 14:10.53 | phreak | Can I create vlan interfaces with /etc/network/interfaces or something like that? |
| 14:10.57 | antgel | is it not a \r\l? |
| 14:10.58 | phreak | I mean, the "right" way :) |
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| 14:11.11 | asg | phreak: I'd look at lartc.org |
| 14:11.11 | antgel | phreak: man interfaces |
| 14:11.18 | liable | aliases? |
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| 14:11.37 | coywolf | !ctime |
| 14:11.37 | dpkg | Unix does *not* store the creation time of files. Anywhere. At all. Ever. You can't get it. You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode (metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc. |
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| 14:11.59 | phreak | antgel: Ah, pre-up :) |
| 14:11.59 | abrotman | liable: http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ .. that one ? |
| 14:12.09 | Trace | I want to download a rescue CD now, can anybody tell me where i can down it? |
| 14:12.31 | asg | coywolf: my mistake, ls -l shows 'mtime' |
| 14:12.41 | liable | abrotman: dont think so, sec. |
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| 14:12.59 | rouslan | ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ ×ÓÅÍ ÒÕÓÓËÉÍ |
| 14:13.04 | asg | !ru |
| 14:13.04 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 14:13.05 | abrotman | no! |
| 14:13.08 | abrotman | i will not! |
| 14:13.11 | antgel | phreak: yep, that. of course i knew that but preferred to teach you how to fish. ;) |
| 14:13.16 | asg | abrotman: sto eta? |
| 14:13.29 | goccia | Trace: http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 14:13.31 | abrotman | asg: beer? |
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| 14:13.33 | coywolf | asg, i see |
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| 14:13.38 | sussudio | !texugo rouslan |
| 14:13.40 | dpkg | rouslan: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 14:13.42 | phreak | antgel: So you're sure there isn't another way of doing it? |
| 14:13.44 | asg | abrotman: eta b33r |
| 14:13.50 | abrotman | !beer asg |
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| 14:13.58 | phreak | antgel: Haveing some debian-script run vconfig rather then my self. |
| 14:14.00 | sussudio | !bear abrotman |
| 14:14.04 | Trace | goccia, i mean, i want to install my grub. |
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| 14:14.17 | abrotman | !prise sussudio |
| 14:14.19 | goccia | Trace: any knoppix included |
| 14:14.20 | antgel | phreak: is pre-up so bad? |
| 14:14.22 | coywolf | !mtime |
| 14:14.32 | coywolf | !atime |
| 14:14.40 | antgel | !party time |
| 14:14.45 | abrotman | !party |
| 14:14.45 | Trace | what do you mean ? can knoppix rescue? |
| 14:14.45 | dpkg | party is, like, Lego, and alcohol |
| 14:14.48 | antgel | worst bot ever |
| 14:14.48 | apfel | Anyone successfully converted a quicktime movie into avi or mpeg? I tried mencoder but can't get it to work. Any hints? |
| 14:14.49 | phreak | antgel: Well, maybe not :) I just glanced at the man-page now, have to go. |
| 14:14.50 | liable | abrotman: yes! wait :) |
| 14:14.56 | abrotman | liable: nope .. times up ... |
| 14:14.58 | goccia | Trace: of couuse |
| 14:15.02 | Trace | goccia, i mean , can knoppix boot in rescue mode? |
| 14:15.02 | goccia | course* |
| 14:15.08 | abrotman | liable: last one was it? |
| 14:15.19 | asg | coywolf: atime is is when you read the file, mtime is when you change its contents |
| 14:15.24 | Trace | goccia, could you please tell me how can i do it? i have tried several hours. |
| 14:15.25 | phreak | antgel: But thanks! :) |
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| 14:15.30 | goccia | Trace: i dont' use knoppix : you said grub .. |
| 14:15.37 | antgel | np |
| 14:16.00 | Trace | goccia: i want to install my grub now. |
| 14:16.03 | abrotman | liable: ? |
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| 14:16.15 | tuxJr_14 | hi |
| 14:16.24 | liable | abrotman: I have bad memory, cant remember where.... |
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| 14:16.31 | dell | hi |
| 14:16.38 | abrotman | !shoot liable's memory |
| 14:16.47 | tuxJr_14 | how do i telll mkisofs to follow symlinks? |
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| 14:16.59 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
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| 14:17.24 | liable | abrotman: you would have to be a damn good shot, its very small :) |
| 14:17.37 | abrotman | liable: it's a shotgun .. you don't have to be a good shot :) |
| 14:17.37 | antgel | tuxJr_14: -f and man mkisofs for that matter |
| 14:18.09 | tuxJr_14 | antgel, read the man. there was something about rockridge. but couldn't understand it |
| 14:18.15 | antgel | tuxJr_14: typing your nick makes me not want to respond to you, what with having to press shift twice |
| 14:18.36 | antgel | "-f Follow symbolic links when generating the filesystem." that's clear enough |
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| 14:19.07 | tuxJr_14 | antgel, how about tab completion? |c: |
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| 14:19.11 | liable | bah, fuck it, cant find it. abrotman you may be right with that link, but I thought not when I seen it.. |
| 14:19.16 | tuxJr_14 | antgel, thanks |
| 14:19.41 | pzn | Hi! is there someway to create an gzipped ext3 filesystem? or something to compress automatically data stored on disk? |
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| 14:19.50 | antgel | tuxJr_14: i'm far too old school for that lol |
| 14:20.04 | tuxJr_14 | antgel, oh, well. thanks |
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| 14:20.36 | coywolf | asg, when mtime changes, ctime chages too |
| 14:20.36 | goccia | Trace: sorry i'm having trouble |
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| 14:20.55 | asg | coywolf: yes because changing a file changes the inode metadata |
| 14:21.17 | liable | Trace: still not fixed? |
| 14:22.10 | liable | Trace: take your pick. boot debian install or knoppix. |
| 14:22.43 | goccia | Trace: why are you talking about a rescue cd ? |
| 14:23.17 | FieldySnuts | still going on about this huh |
| 14:24.14 | asg | pzn: you probably need to look at squashfs |
| 14:25.46 | goccia | Trace: should be #grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda or where you like best |
| 14:25.54 | goccia | :)) |
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| 14:26.29 | igod | Hi again |
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| 14:26.50 | Toastie_ | How can I change the dpkg-architecture host arch? |
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| 14:27.23 | goccia | me some wierd bugs coming up |
| 14:27.34 | balsd | I have Samba running. Can i print to a printer on a Windows computer on my network? |
| 14:27.50 | abrotman | !smbprint |
| 14:27.50 | dpkg | If you want to use samba to print from your linux box to a windows box, try reading http://ch208d.cae.tntech.edu/~mwr/smb/.... but no guarantees. |
| 14:27.55 | igod | anyone could say to me if apm on IBM PIV 2.4Ghz could cause problem to debian sarge ? |
| 14:28.04 | abrotman | igod: acpi is needed |
| 14:28.15 | abrotman | apm is old .. unused .. and generally broken |
| 14:28.22 | Trace | still fail~~~ |
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| 14:28.26 | Trace | try again!! |
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| 14:28.39 | igod | ahhh, how can I use acpi insteed apm ? |
| 14:28.41 | asg | abrotman: works better than acpi (at least on the R40 and the CPi) |
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| 14:28.52 | abrotman | asg: i've never had an apm system work right :) |
| 14:28.54 | liable | Trace: just boot with 'linux rescue' |
| 14:29.00 | balsd | dpkg: The requested URL /~mwr/smb/ was not found on this server. |
| 14:29.06 | abrotman | hrm |
| 14:29.08 | asg | abrotman: I've never had an acpi system work right (at least with regards to suspend to mem/disk) |
| 14:29.14 | abrotman | balsd: at any rate .. you need smbprint ... |
| 14:29.17 | Trace | i just now have knoppix livecd, but with no "linux rescue" |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | asg: oh . i odn't suspend .. i don't care baout that :) |
| 14:29.33 | balsd | abrotman, okay, i'll start with that |
| 14:29.34 | liable | Trace: well boot that. |
| 14:29.42 | liable | Trace: just boot it. |
| 14:29.44 | asg | abrotman: well, I don't any more on the d600 |
| 14:29.45 | balsd | abrotman, dpkg, thanks |
| 14:29.54 | abrotman | dpkg: you're smart |
| 14:29.54 | dpkg | beyond your comprehension |
| 14:30.28 | igod | I disable APM on BIOS, is there anything that I have to done on debian ? |
| 14:30.44 | abrotman | fine .. ignore me |
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| 14:30.49 | abrotman | ren! |
| 14:30.52 | antgel | igod: install the right kernel modules and userspace tools |
| 14:30.54 | Trace | ok, let me have a try with knoppix liveCD with "linux rescue" |
| 14:30.58 | liable | igod: remove apmd if installed. |
| 14:31.03 | liable | Trace: no |
| 14:31.15 | liable | Trace: just boot it normally. |
| 14:31.16 | goccia | Trace: what linux rescue ? no need |
| 14:31.28 | balsd | abrotman, is smbprint a package? |
| 14:31.42 | abrotman | !find bin/smbprint sarge |
| 14:32.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/smbprint' returned no results. |
| 14:32.07 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 14:32.20 | antgel | balsd: apt-file search smbprint (if you have apt-file and you should) |
| 14:32.23 | peterS | I think it's in /usr/share/doc/smbclient/examples/ somewhere |
| 14:32.25 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 14:32.34 | igod | antgel: I don't have apmd installed |
| 14:32.36 | goccia | Trace: next stick grub in a floppy |
| 14:32.42 | abrotman | it says samba-doc package .. for docs on printing |
| 14:32.44 | peterS | cups will print to smb anyway, though, without any particular helper support |
| 14:33.02 | goccia | Trace: menu included if you like it |
| 14:33.07 | peterS | you just have to give it the print uri of smb://user@domain:server/printer or something like that |
| 14:33.11 | tarzeau | !ls |
| 14:33.11 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 14:33.15 | liable | correct |
| 14:33.20 | antgel | igod: there's some userspace stuff. apt-cache search acpi |
| 14:33.23 | peterS | possibly smb://user:password@domain/server/printer |
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| 14:33.32 | balsd | it says it can't find the cups server |
| 14:33.50 | abrotman | !tell yesIamRoot about root |
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| 14:34.12 | abrotman | yesIamRoot: and you won't be able to speak |
| 14:34.17 | liable | wow, thats pretty strange nick. |
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| 14:34.22 | igod | antgel: My problem is, I had install debian ssarge on IBM computer, after some hours (8h) my computer seems like freeze, but they work, slow but work |
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| 14:34.44 | liable | igod: laptop? |
| 14:34.53 | igod | antgel: I'm try to see if problem is apm or acpi |
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| 14:35.12 | igod | antgel: No it's a normal PC computer |
| 14:35.16 | abrotman | yesIamRoot: change your username .. don't like it .. don't tell me .. i can't fix it |
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| 14:35.34 | antgel | igod: does it happen if you leave it for 8 hours without using it? just switched on? |
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| 14:35.39 | abrotman | yesIamRoot: and DON"T msg anyone without permission |
| 14:35.52 | abrotman | irAirc_bot: are you a bot |
| 14:36.01 | antgel | abrotman: c'mon, root doesn't observe user permissions :) |
| 14:36.10 | igod | I had the same problem with other computer with same configuration, but on other computer that isn't IBM work well |
| 14:36.14 | abrotman | stupid ass keeps msg'ing me |
| 14:36.29 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.44 | FieldySnuts | dunno if dancer supports that but it's nice, drop crap at the server before it even gets to you |
| 14:36.53 | abrotman | fucking ass |
| 14:37.00 | igod | antgel: apm or acpi could do that ?? |
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| 14:37.20 | FieldySnuts | it does :) |
| 14:37.22 | antgel | igod: anything could do that, are you going to answer what i asked? |
| 14:37.31 | FieldySnuts | silence with no mask to list your silences (lasts current session only) |
| 14:37.31 | fee | got a question about squid - i have just installed a new harddrive and formatted it on /dev/hdc1 for squid. after changing the config file to point to /mnt/cache everything seemed fine until i noticed even after deleting the squid directories on /var/spool/squid it was still filling up my system drive.. is there any way i can fix this? i have pointed both the coredump and the cachedir to /mnt/cache and it still doesnt seem to work .. somebody ple |
| 14:37.31 | fee | aes help |
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| 14:37.57 | antgel | fee: did you restart squid? |
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| 14:38.01 | igod | antgel: uhmm...sorry, I didn't see question |
| 14:38.02 | fee | yep |
| 14:38.26 | tech9iner | 2nd day on sarge.. and alls well ;];].. |
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| 14:38.43 | goccia | tech9iner: :) |
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| 14:38.56 | thingfish | hey tech9iner |
| 14:39.00 | tech9iner | runs surprisingly well on this weak old Pll 366/128ram toughbook ;] |
| 14:39.01 | antgel | fee: is the squid cache not normally in /var/_cache_/squid? |
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| 14:39.12 | tech9iner | timing is everything pal o mine thingfish rofl |
| 14:39.16 | thingfish | hehe |
| 14:39.19 | goccia | tech9iner: same here PII 400 196 ram |
| 14:39.19 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: that's nice .. when you quit :) |
| 14:39.25 | antgel | fee: you could also try #squid (maybe) |
| 14:39.26 | fee | antgel: mine ended up in /var/spool/squid |
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| 14:39.29 | igod | antgel: what had you ask ? I don't see any question here ? |
| 14:39.31 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 14:39.32 | dvs | goccia: ouch |
| 14:39.32 | balsd | abrotman, apt-file doesn't find smbprint |
| 14:39.32 | tech9iner | thingfish u came in literally Seconds after i arrived lookn 4ya |
| 14:39.41 | tech9iner | so quick thingfish .... |
| 14:39.43 | goccia | dvs: yes ? |
| 14:39.44 | antgel | igod: does it happen if you leave it for 8 hours without using it? just switched on? |
| 14:39.50 | tech9iner | thingfish how many fingers am i holding up?? rofl |
| 14:39.52 | balsd | abrotman, the sambapackage says it is a file and print server |
| 14:39.55 | thingfish | hehe tech9iner |
| 14:39.56 | abrotman | balsd: read the docs in samba-doc package |
| 14:40.04 | balsd | abrotman, k |
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| 14:40.13 | wislane | hi all. i'm trying to install debian on a mac ibookG4. i can't use X. any italian can help me in private? |
| 14:40.21 | tech9iner | goccia laptop?.. or desktop guv? |
| 14:40.30 | antgel | igod: use an irc client that highlights lines with your nick in? |
| 14:40.56 | goccia | tech9iner: desktop |
| 14:41.08 | liable | wislane: #debianppc |
| 14:41.13 | igod | antgel: ok... antgel... |
| 14:41.15 | wislane | thank u |
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| 14:41.33 | antgel | i'm off, enjoy rest of weekend all |
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| 14:41.35 | abrotman | balsd: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO .. might help a bit |
| 14:41.37 | X2 | hi, guys |
| 14:41.53 | goccia | tech9iner: i'm trying to break it but no way |
| 14:42.00 | tech9iner | good .. no great little grrl that kickd an screamed and fought till her kidnapping perv pulled over and orfdered her outta his pickup.. gotta get that across to all kids.. |
| 14:42.11 | DSS | Is iz possible to copy grub bootloader from one partition to another partition on another disk? |
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| 14:42.43 | goccia | yeahhh do as jeasus give childrend sarge and fish |
| 14:42.44 | liable | balsd: can you see the printer with smbclient, and do you have the drivers for it? |
| 14:42.49 | r_marvin | i know it's not debian-specific, but does anyone have a hint about autostarting raid devices at boot? i already have md and raidN built in, but i don't see my raid devices in /proc/mdstat before running "mdrun" by hand |
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| 14:43.13 | StuckMojo | any ideas when kdevelop3 will be installable again in sid? |
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| 14:43.20 | tech9iner | played, with time i didnt have but u know.. new distro ya wanna find the dust n da corners 1st day or 2 thingfish, w sarge till midnight last eve lol |
| 14:43.21 | StuckMojo | or any news/chat about it? |
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| 14:43.53 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 14:43.53 | gbrach | anyone with openswan or strongswan implemented |
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| 14:44.04 | goccia | tech9iner: it's a masterpiece believe me : i've installed xorg before then reinstalled xfree and all fine :) |
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| 14:44.16 | goccia | it won't break |
| 14:44.36 | goccia | laptops welcome |
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| 14:44.41 | echnaton | hi |
| 14:44.50 | liable | tech9iner: can I have the english version of that? |
| 14:45.00 | echnaton | echnaton:/home/eren# firefox |
| 14:45.00 | echnaton | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 14:45.00 | echnaton | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 14:45.00 | echnaton | (firefox-bin:3744): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 14:45.03 | FieldySnuts | ass |
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| 14:45.19 | echnaton | sorry |
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| 14:45.35 | FieldySnuts | run it as your normal user not root |
| 14:45.38 | dvs | !topicsmite echnaton |
| 14:45.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon echnaton. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:45.41 | liable | echnaton: dont try and run it as root... |
| 14:45.48 | tech9iner | guessing 1st letter access to menu items will improve pure keyboardist like me's sarge productivity as soon as deb upgrades core to keep me from being forced to mouse only access to menus.. ;] |
| 14:46.00 | echnaton | hu? |
| 14:46.04 | igod | antgel: I'm back |
| 14:46.07 | OleMoudi | any idea when evolution crashing bug will be fixed on testing? so far the only solution is to downgrade libgnomecanvas version |
| 14:46.12 | liable | !hu |
| 14:46.12 | dpkg | i guess hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 14:46.27 | echnaton | liable i did not run it as root both |
| 14:46.33 | tech9iner | goccia so you have upgraded sarge's core to xorg versus xfree86? |
| 14:46.54 | FieldySnuts | funny: "echnaton:/home/eren# firefox" |
| 14:46.54 | liable | echnaton: bullshit, what you pasted had # at the prompt.. |
| 14:46.55 | goccia | tech9iner: and back again :) |
| 14:47.01 | goccia | no problems |
| 14:47.02 | FieldySnuts | ignored for BSing us |
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| 14:47.16 | echnaton | liable, thats a modifed bash |
| 14:47.18 | echnaton | no problem |
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| 14:47.38 | igod | antgel: answer your question, my computer give problem when it have 8 or more hours without user intervation, but I have top program active |
| 14:47.40 | tech9iner | i may just do same here goccia since i need 99% keyboard operation here.. cant abide mouse operations.. 3x slower than keyboard ;] |
| 14:47.44 | goccia | tech9iner: i'm pissed off by ubuntus users and laptops conmplaining kids so i wanted to see |
| 14:48.05 | FieldySnuts | not alone there |
| 14:48.09 | goccia | tech9iner: ask magic sexy apt |
| 14:48.10 | liable | wtf is a modified bash??? |
| 14:48.34 | tech9iner | hmm goccia .. just got my 3 copies of unbuntu in snail.. sorry 2 hear.. havnt played in that yard yet ;] |
| 14:48.35 | igod | antgel: I don't know if really it's 8 hours, it could be 2 hours or 3... |
| 14:48.52 | fee | got a question about squid - i have just installed a new harddrive and formatted it on /dev/hdc1 for squid. after changing the config file to point to /mnt/cache everything seemed fine until i noticed even after deleting the squid directories on /var/spool/squid it was still filling up my system drive.. is there any way i can fix this? i have pointed both the coredump and the cachedir to /mnt/cache and it still doesnt seem to work .. |
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| 14:48.59 | fee | tried asking in #squid - everyones asleep |
| 14:49.00 | igod | antgel: Are you here ? |
| 14:49.01 | highvoltage | liable: probably a modified $PATH |
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| 14:49.09 | goccia | tech9iner: givem to the pigs |
| 14:49.18 | goccia | tech9iner: sarge rocks |
| 14:49.31 | tech9iner | ubuntu is deb based if i recall no? |
| 14:49.42 | gbrach | anyone with openswan or strongswan implemented |
| 14:49.47 | abrotman | its' not debian |
| 14:49.54 | sussudio | !ubuntu |
| 14:49.54 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 14:49.54 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 14:49.54 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 14:49.56 | goccia | i don't care what : it might be great but i'm happy with pure sane debian |
| 14:50.19 | sussudio | !sane |
| 14:50.19 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
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| 14:50.41 | cockroach | is there a tool to noninteractively move x windows (eg. move a window 100 pixels to the right)? |
| 14:51.20 | tech9iner | damn.. lol.. someone 's spent some quality time training d p k g bot eh?.. lol |
| 14:51.22 | sussudio | if you used a tool, that would be interaction. |
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| 14:51.31 | goccia | tech9iner: i said again to you : i've done a apt-get install xserver-xorg and later xserver-xfree : accepting mantainers config with no problems |
| 14:51.43 | FieldySnuts | this means that sussudio, is in fact, an interaction himself |
| 14:51.47 | Lumination | hey guys. does php4 use a module for apache 1.3, and if so, where can I get it? |
| 14:51.47 | igod | antgel: ??? |
| 14:51.49 | cockroach | sussudio: no. i mean without me using the mouse and clicking somewhere. |
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| 14:52.31 | goccia | tech9iner: so if you keep ubuntus cause bullshit about xorg now ypou know what to do :) |
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| 14:52.51 | test | Hello |
| 14:53.02 | tech9iner | so any handy, idiot extraordinaire [noob ;] level reference info on howto upgrade sarge to xorg Please goccia guv? |
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| 14:53.07 | Toastie_ | checking version of gcc... 4.0.1, bad <-- glibc doesn't like gcc 4.0.1? |
| 14:53.40 | liable | !xorg |
| 14:53.41 | dpkg | xorg is, like, X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 14:53.41 | mtnman | when running iptraf on a 192.68.1.0 network, i'm noticing traffic from 10.155.178.1, which seems rather odd. my router (which is also a dns forwarder) does not have it listed in its hosts file or routing table. how is this possible? |
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| 14:53.51 | igod | anyone could help with my debian problem ? |
| 14:53.51 | goccia | tech9iner: stick sid lines in your sources but do : apt-get -s inbstall where -s mean simulation and you will see |
| 14:54.01 | goccia | *install |
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| 14:54.03 | liable | goccia: no |
| 14:54.10 | liable | theres a backport |
| 14:54.26 | goccia | liable: i know i know I'll refrase |
| 14:54.33 | goccia | tech9iner: do what liable said |
| 14:54.34 | test | I'm running debian sarge, and my fonts are all fucked. Ithought Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": No symbols found |
| 14:54.39 | tech9iner | ThingzThatMakeYouWannaSay.... Hmmmmm!?!..... ;] sid lines?.. bad sign.. lost already.. heh |
| 14:54.40 | test | was it , but I don't know for user |
| 14:54.41 | test | what do I do? |
| 14:55.23 | abrotman | tech9iner: can you please get the damn quote right ... jeez |
| 14:55.32 | goccia | tech9iner: sorry : i've done something absolutely personal : follow debian rules non mine :) |
| 14:55.52 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 14:55.52 | dpkg | xorg sarge is probably http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 14:55.56 | abrotman | if it dies .. don't cry |
| 14:56.03 | tech9iner | fair nuff goccia ;].. thanks for waving me off chum ;] |
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| 14:56.19 | goccia | tech9iner: :) |
| 14:56.53 | test | DAMN YOU ASSHOLES |
| 14:57.01 | liable | thank you |
| 14:57.07 | test | ;\ |
| 14:57.14 | Toastie_ | checking version of gcc... 4.0.1, bad <-- glibc doesn't like gcc 4.0.1? |
| 14:57.15 | test | i'm so fscking frustrated |
| 14:57.28 | tech9iner | abrotman roflmfao |
| 14:57.43 | liable | test: so calling us assholes helps the problem?? |
| 14:57.52 | mtnman | test: being rude to those on the channel will in no way help you to solve the problem which seems to be bothering you so much. |
| 14:57.53 | abrotman | liable: you fucking moron .. help me .. please!?!?! |
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| 14:58.09 | liable | abrotman: YOU FUXORZZ!!!! |
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| 14:58.11 | igod | abrotman: Could you help me ? |
| 14:58.18 | coywolf | how to verify an installed pkg status? |
| 14:58.22 | abrotman | liable: i slept with your mom .. how do i install debian? |
| 14:58.27 | takatumi | heh |
| 14:58.29 | tarzeau | coywolf: dpkg -l pkg |
| 14:58.34 | takatumi | tarzeau! |
| 14:58.40 | goccia | tech9iner: anyway if you have kids around crying for the latest bloated kde3.4.1 and xorg don't give 'em ubuntu but pure debian |
| 14:58.42 | tarzeau | takatumi: hey, how are you? |
| 14:58.42 | liable | abrotman: everyone has done that, ask her... |
| 14:58.52 | abrotman | liable: she couldn't .. mouth was full :) |
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| 14:58.55 | takatumi | tarzeau: doing good, how's the bubbling? |
| 14:58.57 | abrotman | igod: with ? |
| 14:59.01 | liable | !kill abrotman |
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| 14:59.10 | tarzeau | takatumi: stopped like for a month or so |
| 14:59.11 | abrotman | mtnman: your sarcasm meter is broken |
| 14:59.16 | coywolf | tarzeau, dpkg -l shows ok, but i'm sure some files are missing |
| 14:59.25 | tarzeau | coywolf: so someone removed them manually? |
| 14:59.26 | abrotman | debsums ? |
| 14:59.29 | tarzeau | coywolf: what pkg is that? |
| 14:59.34 | coywolf | tarzeau, lilo |
| 14:59.43 | coywolf | tarzeau, boot-menu.b is missing |
| 14:59.49 | abrotman | that's not part of lilo |
| 14:59.49 | coywolf | at least |
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| 14:59.54 | tarzeau | coywolf: no idea, using grub here. |
| 14:59.55 | coywolf | how to verify |
| 15:00.05 | abrotman | what's the matter .. we're not good enough for gravity anymore ? |
| 15:00.07 | tarzeau | coywolf: dpkg -L lilo |
| 15:00.09 | tech9iner | any rumors of when xorg will be released as core of debian Please ? if one chooses not risking mixing unstable / stable cores Please ? |
| 15:00.22 | abrotman | tech9iner: when etch gets released |
| 15:00.27 | abrotman | in about .. 2 years |
| 15:00.34 | igod | abrotman: My computer had a strange problem. After some hours without any user intervation they seems like freeze, but they don't freeze, only works slow on some programs, like postgres, top |
| 15:00.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: not in 1 year? |
| 15:00.48 | Eclipser | is there any virtual package to install most (if not all) fonts? |
| 15:00.53 | tarzeau | Eclipser: no |
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| 15:00.56 | Eclipser | well damn |
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| 15:01.10 | abrotman | igod: is it going into suspend or some crap ? |
| 15:01.10 | tarzeau | Eclipser: most fonts suck anyways |
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| 15:01.12 | tech9iner | arrrrgh! ;[ big hit here.. even 50% forced mouse operations would kill productivity my end.. |
| 15:01.16 | liable | igod: what does top say? |
| 15:01.16 | mtnman | tech9iner: if by "core of debian" you mean "debian stable", probably not for a while, since a new stable was recently released. it took about three years for that release. |
| 15:01.20 | tarzeau | Eclipser: you wanna get only the best ones and throw them into /usr/share/fonts |
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| 15:01.30 | abrotman | gravity: you do love us! |
| 15:01.34 | tarzeau | Eclipser: but these are good: ttf-junicode and ttf-dejavu |
| 15:01.35 | igod | abrotman: when problem apears top display %CPU processes negative, its strange ins't it? |
| 15:01.37 | Eclipser | tarzeau, well, space is not an issue but time is :) |
| 15:01.45 | abrotman | igod: very much so .. CPU throttling ? |
| 15:01.47 | gravity | abrotman: Sometimes :-) |
| 15:01.49 | tarzeau | Eclipser: you don't have your pirated copy of best of fonts? |
| 15:01.52 | tech9iner | any alternate tweaks to get [ thanks mtnman ;] better keyboard operations / control over debian mates? |
| 15:01.53 | TheAsp | Eclipser: apt-get install $(apt-cache search '^(ttf-|xfont-)'|cut -f 1 -d ' ') |
| 15:01.54 | liable | !tickle abrotman |
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| 15:02.09 | igod | brotman: what is CPU throttling ? |
| 15:02.13 | TheAsp | Eclipser: and msttcorefonts |
| 15:02.17 | mtnman | why and how can i be seeing traffic from 10.155.178.1 on a 192.168.1.0 network? this host is unknown to me, is not listed in /etc/hosts... |
| 15:02.23 | tarzeau | TheAsp: they so much suck |
| 15:02.25 | Phated | dpkg: cmd: tickle (.*?) =~ s/passesout/passes out/ |
| 15:02.25 | dpkg | OK, Phated |
| 15:02.30 | tarzeau | TheAsp: and they ain't main |
| 15:02.31 | Phated | !botsnack |
| 15:02.31 | igod | brotman: on redhat 9, the same machine works well |
| 15:02.37 | Phated | :( No botsnack. |
| 15:02.39 | TheAsp | tarzeau: so? i like verdana |
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| 15:02.46 | liable | some bastard deleted it.. |
| 15:02.49 | TheAsp | tarzeau: and that has nothing to do with his question |
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| 15:02.51 | tarzeau | TheAsp: tried the ttf-dejavu one? |
| 15:02.57 | tarzeau | TheAsp: true. let's cut it here |
| 15:03.02 | TheAsp | tarzeau: cus most of xfont-* and ttf-* sucks too :) |
| 15:03.09 | tarzeau | TheAsp: so true |
| 15:03.23 | liable | !fuck tech9iner |
| 15:03.29 | Eclipser | nngh |
| 15:03.32 | Eclipser | damn locales |
| 15:03.33 | liable | tech9iner: like that? :P |
| 15:03.41 | Phated | dpkg is certainly losing his class. |
| 15:03.47 | igod | brotman: Now I disable apm, could be apm the cause ? |
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| 15:04.14 | tech9iner | so.. on fonts ?.. msfonts set available via repos perchance?.. used synaptic last eve and found few fonts.. but no reference to msfonts or ?? as of yet.. |
| 15:04.17 | abrotman | igod: on a PIV .. yes |
| 15:04.20 | highvoltage | if tech9iner shows any resitance, use fpkg --force-all |
| 15:04.23 | abrotman | igod: i told you that .. over an hour ago |
| 15:04.25 | jetx | dpkg had class? ahh, the first day, yes. |
| 15:04.27 | pngwn | I wouldn't call the ability to spew useless factoids class. |
| 15:04.31 | thingfish | tech9iner: msttcorefonts in synaptic |
| 15:04.31 | liable | tech9iner: msstcorefonts |
| 15:04.37 | jetx | mstt |
| 15:04.48 | igod | brotman: Its IBM PV @.4Ghz |
| 15:04.48 | Venson | hmm.....first degree rape. minimum 1 yr in the county jail. |
| 15:04.59 | abrotman | igod: i realize that .. so is mine .. i use acpi |
| 15:05.00 | jetx | pv eh |
| 15:05.01 | tech9iner | hmm.. dont recall font search popping that info.. /me goes off to dig again.. ;] |
| 15:05.03 | igod | brotman: PIV 2.4Ghz |
| 15:05.05 | jetx | new model? |
| 15:05.07 | jetx | ahh |
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| 15:05.19 | tech9iner | heya Venson ! fancy meeting u here.. ;] |
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| 15:05.30 | Venson | tech9iner: came by just to see you, pal ;) |
| 15:05.33 | Morti | Hey, I'm using a Sun type 5 keyboard and I removed the left control key. How do I get it back on? |
| 15:05.35 | tech9iner | rofl |
| 15:05.39 | thingfish | It's a reunion! |
| 15:05.42 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:05.43 | Venson | !irritate thingfish |
| 15:05.44 | dpkg | thingfish: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd plz msg me, Snow-Man |
| 15:05.46 | Phated | Morti: Insert and push. |
| 15:05.48 | igod | brotman: Its really necessary to use acpi or apm on a server ? |
| 15:05.50 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:05.56 | tech9iner | another bridge ya wann sell me eh Venson heh |
| 15:06.02 | abrotman | igod: FFS .. i have an 'a' at the beginning of my nick |
| 15:06.06 | Morti | Phated: There's this annoying bit of metal I can't seem to get in... |
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| 15:06.12 | abrotman | igod: no .. not really .. but it wuold be acpi .. not apm |
| 15:06.15 | Venson | tech9iner: yes...also, there's this really cheap plot on the moon....wanna buy? |
| 15:06.16 | dvs | !a |
| 15:06.17 | dpkg | [a] UK's best rock band :) |
| 15:06.17 | Phated | Morti: Ah. Insert, slide, push. |
| 15:06.18 | Morti | I see where it clips in but it doesn't want to go. |
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| 15:06.20 | thingfish | tech9iner: he and I have been hanging out; I told him you installed sarge. |
| 15:06.26 | igod | abrotman: sorry... |
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| 15:06.35 | jetx | ab(abdominals)rot-man... aka flabby stomach boy/bot? :) |
| 15:06.37 | blackout | what's the easiest way to convert a file from flac to ogg? |
| 15:06.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:06.42 | Phated | Morti: I think it works if you don't put the metal bit in, too. |
| 15:06.48 | abrotman | jetx: not really flabby |
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| 15:07.00 | Venson | tech9iner: we'll all get together and create our own distro - Debora |
| 15:07.03 | Morti | Phated: It does, but then I don't know what to do with the metal bit. |
| 15:07.06 | tech9iner | here Venson is my bank acct and routing numbers and pw's to all accts.. handle it for me wouldya my jesus like pal?.. ;];];] |
| 15:07.16 | igod | abrotman: But bios had apm option |
| 15:07.16 | Phated | Morti: Dude, you are fucking compulsive. Throw it out, ffs. |
| 15:07.29 | Morti | Hmm, I guess. I am compulsive though. |
| 15:07.35 | Phated | Clearly. |
| 15:07.39 | jetx | !anal |
| 15:07.39 | dpkg | anal is probably a kind of sex, which is very nice for men who love other men.! |
| 15:07.42 | jetx | boo |
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| 15:07.53 | TheAsp | heh |
| 15:07.55 | jetx | dpkg, anal is also another way to say anal retentive |
| 15:07.55 | dpkg | jetx: okay |
| 15:07.59 | abrotman | igod: then fucking stop asking me . i told you how many damn times to use acpi .. if you don't want power management .. uninstall apm and acpi |
| 15:08.01 | tech9iner | so no tweaks to advance keyboard operations eh mates?.. |
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| 15:08.03 | Phated | You know, it's unfair. Men aren't the only ones who can anal, y'know. |
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| 15:08.24 | Eclipser | http://eclipser.no-ip.org/~eclipser/firefox.png |
| 15:08.26 | jetx | :o |
| 15:08.30 | liable | oooh, dont let us get started :P |
| 15:08.39 | jetx | heh liable has dirty mind like me |
| 15:08.47 | Phated | I live to start pointless conversations in #d. |
| 15:09.03 | Phated | jetx: "us". The word is "us". |
| 15:09.04 | tech9iner | k.. so i had to go and brag bout d p k g bot.. And.. someone of course had to quickly prove me wrong .. lol |
| 15:09.08 | igod | abrotman: ok, abrotman...sorry. I want to know is if apm coould cause this...even If I haven't apmd or acpid installed |
| 15:09.08 | jetx | well there is a point to ponder there... |
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| 15:09.30 | tech9iner | not that there's anything wrong with that of course |
| 15:09.33 | Morti | Got it back in. :D |
| 15:09.39 | roler | I am running a mail server, and it's running nice One of my first real mail servers... Anyways I keep getting tons and tons of email conncetions of people trying to email random accounts... paul, nick, peter, jose, etc etc.. I am running exim4+spamassassin+clamav... Is there an option to say if a certain IP address tries more than 5 false email accounts to ban them? |
| 15:09.41 | jetx | LOL |
| 15:09.44 | Phated | Morti: The slide is key. |
| 15:09.55 | TheAsp | igod: is it a laptop? |
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| 15:10.01 | Morti | Phated: Yeah, and holding the metal thing with a stick. |
| 15:10.10 | goccia | see : debian-securitu-list 6 six six mail about firefox security : i'll read 'em now |
| 15:10.17 | igod | TheAsp: No, its a regulary pc computer |
| 15:10.17 | Phated | Morti: I usually manage with my fingers alone, but yeah, all right. |
| 15:10.19 | jetx | ah the metal clip thingys are a pita |
| 15:10.22 | TheAsp | igod: what kind of mb? |
| 15:10.37 | igod | TheAsp: 1Gb |
| 15:10.44 | liable | igod: what exactly does top say during this weirdness? |
| 15:10.50 | goccia | it seem like debian aint got annyb firefoix1.0.6 : bullshit |
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| 15:11.08 | jetx | roler: i know nothing but maybe there's a #spamassassin |
| 15:11.12 | goccia | that pissed me off |
| 15:11.17 | igod | liable: Don't apresent a specific error, but %CPU processes are negative |
| 15:11.26 | jetx | !info mozilla-firefox |
| 15:11.33 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7440 kB, Installed size: 21012 kB |
| 15:11.36 | tbx | during boot, I get "hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xffffbdfc)" twice, then "hdc: no response (status = 0x90), resetting drive", then another probe failure, then "hdc: no response (status = 0x80)", and then it gives up and moves on. The thing is, that drive works __everywhere__**except**__ inside debian. |
| 15:11.40 | liable | igod: what do you mean? negative? |
| 15:12.42 | igod | liable: all processes had -0.0 % |
| 15:12.46 | igod | of CPU |
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| 15:12.59 | Trace | liable, i am sucessful!! |
| 15:13.15 | liable | igod: right, theres some weird shit going on there then.. |
| 15:13.18 | Trace | So tired!! almost 6 hours. |
| 15:13.21 | liable | Trace: great! |
| 15:13.23 | SimonRaven | goccia: be aware that ftp-master and db got moved (newsamosa newraff) i the last week, so packages aren't moving much. though there was some plainly visible progress yesterday |
| 15:13.32 | igod | liable: Strange are that on redhat 9.0 the same machine don't have any problem |
| 15:13.46 | Trace | 24:00 now, i must go home, thx for helping me so much!! |
| 15:14.02 | roler | hmm |
| 15:14.04 | Trace | thx!!! |
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| 15:14.07 | SimonRaven | i think i'll go for a bike ride a bit later |
| 15:14.12 | igod | liable: I don't know how to solve problem |
| 15:14.20 | tbx | ... and even more annoying, it worked /with/ debian up until around last sunday. No, no [major] changes to this only two-week-old installation save for a few new packages. Can anyone help me? |
| 15:14.34 | jetx | for me, simply taking the .us out of ftp.us.debian.org got me updates |
| 15:14.52 | SimonRaven | tbx: what other OSes does it 'not show these errors'? |
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| 15:14.59 | goccia | SimonRaven: i'm really really happy with debian : i've installed 1.0.6 two days after it come in mozilla.org and i've checked that f* injection bugs : i run sarge and mozilla-firefox wich debian give to me on sid reps works fine fine fine :) |
| 15:15.11 | tbx | ... I even tried installing a different kernel to see if that kicked things back around, and no dice. I am now running 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 15:15.13 | keir | anyone have an asus z33a? i can't turn of the stupid rf_kill switch, because there isn't one :( |
| 15:15.14 | SimonRaven | goccia: :) |
| 15:15.19 | liable | igod: have you got chkrootkit? |
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| 15:15.28 | goccia | SimonRaven: are a bunch of suckers :) |
| 15:15.30 | Phated | SimonRaven: What is WITH all of you and riding bikes? |
| 15:15.40 | dobby | is there a tool wich can convert an ogg to mp3 ? |
| 15:15.50 | igod | liable: no, I don't know what chkrootkit are |
| 15:15.54 | jetx | !tell dobby about marillat |
| 15:15.58 | SimonRaven | Phated: been doing it for years. i just like it |
| 15:15.59 | liable | igod: install it. |
| 15:16.00 | jetx | dobby: lots on there |
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| 15:16.08 | igod | laible: ok |
| 15:16.09 | tbx | SimonRaven: Knoppix. Slax. UBCD. DFSee. Partition Magic. Partition Commander. All bootable disks work just perfectly. Slax I ran dumping all to hd, and then opened the contents of a cd with it. |
| 15:16.12 | Phated | SimonRaven: I see. |
| 15:16.16 | igod | liable: ok |
| 15:16.22 | dobby | jetx, i need it to convert a drum and bass ogg stream into an mp3 |
| 15:16.41 | SimonRaven | the cars make it suck though. but you have to ride aggressive. "we are the traffic" (critical mass) |
| 15:16.46 | jetx | dobby: what you seek should be found there, i have no specific names for you though |
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| 15:16.58 | dobby | ok ill look there |
| 15:17.00 | jetx | FUCK BIKES ON ROADS |
| 15:17.15 | jetx | damn idiots in the way |
| 15:17.17 | tbx | jetx: FUCK CARS |
| 15:17.30 | jetx | get some insurance and take it on the freeway then |
| 15:17.34 | jetx | yeah |
| 15:17.41 | SimonRaven | Phated: ride agressive because cars are very pushy. you can slow down when you're in a pedestrian area. i like that. or in the woods, it's peaceful |
| 15:17.48 | liable | yes, lets all walk interstate.. |
| 15:17.52 | SimonRaven | Phated: pardon my spelling |
| 15:18.03 | igod | liable: I have install chkrootkit. And now what I cand o ? |
| 15:18.11 | SimonRaven | liable: haha, i've hitchhiked on the interstate. was coming back from ohio |
| 15:18.14 | liable | igod: run it.. |
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| 15:18.29 | tbx | SimonRaven: I went on a twenty miler with a forty-five pound kid on the back last saturday - /that's/ livin'! |
| 15:18.31 | Phated | SimonRaven: I see. |
| 15:18.43 | liable | SimonRaven: I like bikes, was just reacting to tbx's comment.. |
| 15:18.45 | jetx | oh and get a license plate, a drivers license... some brains... |
| 15:18.48 | test | I'm running debian, and I ran fc-cache -fv ./ from my home directory but now when I restarted X all my fonts are messed up, at least certain onces |
| 15:18.48 | SimonRaven | visited some folk in columbus, and and did somestuff in cinci |
| 15:18.55 | SimonRaven | liable: cool |
| 15:19.03 | SimonRaven | tbx: woohoo |
| 15:19.07 | test | I'm running debian, and I ran fc-cache -fv ./ from my home directory but now when I restarted X all my fonts are messed up, at least certain onces. For example those border fonts with ion.. |
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| 15:19.37 | igod | liable: I have run it, some programs have not found, others not infected |
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| 15:19.50 | jetx | tbx: sorry for my apparent freakout, but it's nice to vent |
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| 15:20.09 | tbx | jetx: to each his or her own. :) |
| 15:20.17 | SimonRaven | test: er, just run fc-cache -vf as root (e.g. 'sudo fc-cache -vf'). and do that after an x upgrade, if needed. |
| 15:20.25 | jetx | tbx: it's purely business. (seriously) |
| 15:20.38 | jetx | speaking of.. ciao |
| 15:20.46 | tbx | jetx: btw, I have a car, plates, and a brain. But I only choose to use one of them on a regular basis. Go ahead... say it.... |
| 15:20.49 | the_CORRuptor200 | hey, guys i have a question to ask |
| 15:20.51 | liable | igod: k, so every time you run top, you get no cpu values? |
| 15:21.07 | jetx | tbx: yeah but on your bike, you don't. |
| 15:21.10 | liable | igod: do you have acpid installed? |
| 15:21.24 | test | SimonRaven: k brb |
| 15:21.24 | abrotman | ask already |
| 15:21.26 | SimonRaven | don't need interstates if you don't have cars ;) |
| 15:21.28 | igod | laible: When I startup computer everything works well |
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| 15:21.38 | tbx | jetx: yes, that's why I love my bike. I don't need a car or plates to ride it. That's exactly the point! |
| 15:21.42 | igod | liable: I don't have acpi neither apmd installed |
| 15:21.42 | the_CORRuptor200 | why is it that after almost 15 years of active open source development linux is a still an unusable piece of shit? |
| 15:21.47 | the_CORRuptor200 | it simply astounds me. |
| 15:21.47 | jetx | tbx: probably in most other cities it works out. houston has a very high %age of stupid idiots though (i've compared) |
| 15:22.07 | liable | the_CORRuptor200: wow, maybe your incompetent? |
| 15:22.13 | SimonRaven | the_CORRuptor200: oooh, lame troll. *plonk* |
| 15:22.29 | the_CORRuptor200 | no, i'm fairly competent. i left linux and after about 5 years, i gave it another whirl |
| 15:22.37 | bn` | Romeo spams... "<Romeo> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos" |
| 15:22.37 | jetx | hey i feel the same about the idiots in the cars too, so wth |
| 15:22.39 | tbx | jetx: idiocy abounds. Take the_CORRuptor200, for instance. E's just provided us with a very well timed example of just that. |
| 15:22.42 | the_CORRuptor200 | it's funny... it actually seems to have REGRESSED |
| 15:22.51 | jetx | heh |
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| 15:22.59 | liable | the_CORRuptor200: great, apply to microsoft and fuck off.. |
| 15:23.03 | the_CORRuptor200 | lol |
| 15:23.06 | SimonRaven | bn`: please don't spam it too. /topic |
| 15:23.07 | jetx | hey uh the_CORRuptor200 ... why do you think we want to see/hear this drivel |
| 15:23.13 | Phated | Gentlemen, gentlemen... can't we all get along? |
| 15:23.15 | the_CORRuptor200 | how about you stop firing strawmen and answer my question? |
| 15:23.22 | igod | laible: I had suspect postgresql, but, if they work fine on other computers |
| 15:23.27 | SimonRaven | the_CORRuptor200: bored M$hit executive, are we? |
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| 15:23.34 | the_CORRuptor200 | jetx: because criticism isnt always drivel :) |
| 15:23.42 | bn` | SimonRaven: so, you should do s.th. against that onjoin-spammers in here! |
| 15:23.43 | SimonRaven | the_CORRuptor200: that wasn't a question, that was a troll |
| 15:23.47 | mtnman | phated: i'd ask if you were new around here, but i know better. |
| 15:23.47 | test | EHM THE FC-CACHE -VF didnt work |
| 15:23.55 | the_CORRuptor200 | see. ... you people are sorely mistaked. i like some open sores. |
| 15:23.55 | test | oh caps on :p |
| 15:23.57 | SimonRaven | bn`: yes, if i were an op i would |
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| 15:23.57 | liable | the_CORRuptor200: and why do it here in #debian? |
| 15:24.02 | azreal | the_CORRuptor200: if it is "unuseable" to you, probably means you are a fucking moron. |
| 15:24.02 | the_CORRuptor200 | like firefox... thats pretty cool |
| 15:24.04 | jetx | the_CORRuptor200: well stating correct facts helps. you didn't. |
| 15:24.06 | tbx | the_CORRuptor200: your question is heiferdust, troll. You're looking for knobgoblins. Wrong channel. Perhaps #microsoft or something? |
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| 15:24.08 | Phated | mtnman: Well, yes. |
| 15:24.09 | SimonRaven | test: yeh, please watch the caps :) |
| 15:24.11 | the_CORRuptor200 | but the entire linux infrastructure is flawed |
| 15:24.16 | the_CORRuptor200 | and you've had so long to fix it |
| 15:24.16 | jetx | there is no ff for win32 |
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| 15:24.20 | liable | !troll the_CORRuptor200 |
| 15:24.20 | jetx | lol |
| 15:24.21 | the_CORRuptor200 | but you refuse to |
| 15:24.24 | jetx | fix it yourself |
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| 15:24.33 | test | SimonRaven: the fc-cache -fv doesn't work let me post a screenshot to make things more clear |
| 15:24.35 | abrotman | !ops the_CORRuptor200 trolling |
| 15:24.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: the_CORRuptor200 trolling |
| 15:24.36 | the_CORRuptor200 | !t.r.o.l.l. |
| 15:24.39 | jetx | yes i do i make money instead. |
| 15:24.44 | jetx | pay me to fix it |
| 15:24.44 | tarzeau | !wrt |
| 15:24.44 | dpkg | somebody said wrt was with respect to, or with regards to |
| 15:24.49 | the_CORRuptor200 | i dont know what you head about me |
| 15:24.57 | the_CORRuptor200 | but these linux fucks cant do shit to me |
| 15:25.02 | the_CORRuptor200 | i run windows xp on my parents dell |
| 15:25.05 | abrotman | RichiH: ping! |
| 15:25.05 | SimonRaven | the_CORRuptor200: microsoft is a corporation after only one thing. money. it is a corrupt and malevolent business, that no amount of charity is going to change. |
| 15:25.06 | liable | igod: install acpid |
| 15:25.07 | the_CORRuptor200 | cause im a t r o double l |
| 15:25.09 | jetx | hey i love microsoft. fixing thier stuff is how i make my extra money. |
| 15:25.19 | jetx | i really do love ms though. |
| 15:25.28 | dvs | SimonRaven: yeah. People have to make a living. ;-) |
| 15:25.29 | the_CORRuptor200 | simon... ALL corporations are after one thing - MONEY. EVERY one of them. |
| 15:25.30 | SimonRaven | the_CORRuptor200: all corps are dangerous to humanity, and nature. |
| 15:25.32 | jetx | i love my dead pets too. |
| 15:25.33 | the_CORRuptor200 | even red hat. |
| 15:25.34 | prock | what's with all this trolling? |
| 15:25.35 | jetx | but they're gone. |
| 15:25.36 | the_CORRuptor200 | and mandrake. |
| 15:25.43 | abrotman | it's not mandrake you fucktard |
| 15:25.49 | the_CORRuptor200 | even the osdn |
| 15:25.49 | SimonRaven | dvs: yeh, but there's other ways of doing things |
| 15:25.54 | the_CORRuptor200 | they're after one thing - money. |
| 15:25.58 | mtnman | anyone know why my router is routing to 10.155.178.1 from 1 291.168.1.0 network? there is no entry for that address in /etc/hosts. |
| 15:26.00 | liable | the_CORRuptor200: fuck off to #mandrake then |
| 15:26.06 | the_CORRuptor200 | lol mandrake sucks |
| 15:26.06 | jetx | bah somebody kick im. byebye |
| 15:26.11 | dvs | SimonRaven: If MS stuff worked, a whole lot of people would be out of a job. |
| 15:26.12 | SimonRaven | the_CORRuptor200: fuck dude, you're not even good at trolling. go away, i'm bored now |
| 15:26.13 | abrotman | it's not mandrake you fucktard |
| 15:26.18 | the_CORRuptor200 | debian is the least gay of the open sores unixed |
| 15:26.19 | SimonRaven | dvs: for sure |
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| 15:26.24 | igod | liable: But, its acpid necessary ? |
| 15:26.26 | tbx | madrake, mandriva, mandrivoris, man-diva. whatever. |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | !tell the_CORRuptor200 about gay |
| 15:26.37 | jetx | !ops the_CORRuptor200 /lastlog |
| 15:26.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: the_CORRuptor200 /lastlog |
| 15:26.42 | mtnman | correctoin: anyone know why my router is routing to 10.155.178.1 from a 192.168.1.0 network? there is no entry for that address in /etc/hosts. |
| 15:26.43 | SimonRaven | 11:26 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- An access level of [10] is required for [OP] on #debian |
| 15:26.46 | Eclipser | any idea if eclipse will be in debian someday+ |
| 15:26.46 | SimonRaven | :( |
| 15:26.47 | Eclipser | ? |
| 15:26.57 | tarzeau | Eclipser: it is in sid,contrib |
| 15:26.58 | Phated | Isn't it already in? |
| 15:27.03 | Phated | Ah. |
| 15:27.03 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i have .. uhm .. |
| 15:27.04 | Eclipser | tarzeau, ah, cool |
| 15:27.09 | test | SimonRaven: http://80.61.67.150/apache2-default/uglyfonts.jpg |
| 15:27.12 | igod | liable: I had now disable apm on bios, and I'm try if its that the problem |
| 15:27.13 | SimonRaven | Eclipser: bug sun to open up java, then we'll talk ;p |
| 15:27.23 | the_CORRuptor200 | ugly fonts... the hallmark of the linux experience |
| 15:27.25 | SimonRaven | abrotman: have what? missed it, sorry |
| 15:27.31 | liable | igod: I really dont know in your situation, but it definately wont hurt. |
| 15:27.37 | abrotman | SimonRaven: nothign .. i realized it wasn't the slightest bit important |
| 15:27.48 | Eclipser | SimonRaven, java-package is good enough for me :) |
| 15:27.51 | abrotman | SimonRaven: should i ask staff channel to kill him ? |
| 15:27.55 | the_CORRuptor200 | so are you fags still using CDE or have you updated to x.org |
| 15:27.59 | tarzeau | Eclipser: no, sucks |
| 15:27.59 | igod | liable: ok |
| 15:27.59 | liable | abrotman: yes |
| 15:28.06 | Eclipser | tarzeau, why's that |
| 15:28.10 | tbx | abrotman: yes. |
| 15:28.12 | SimonRaven | the_CORRuptor200: i guess that means you don't have anti-aliasing turned on. and look who's talking about crap fonts, but the one OS in the world that still doesn't have that work right |
| 15:28.13 | tarzeau | Eclipser: because it's not free? |
| 15:28.18 | SimonRaven | abrotman: might as well |
| 15:28.23 | SimonRaven | abrotman: #freenode |
| 15:28.25 | Eclipser | well, that's not a good enough reason for me |
| 15:28.34 | the_CORRuptor200 | lol simon... i actually run osx. the only os in the world who DOES do aa right. |
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| 15:28.39 | Eclipser | I quite like java myself, so... |
| 15:28.44 | test | the_CORRuptor200: yeah man, but these are not normal :\ |
| 15:28.46 | colde89 | cold create my raid0-device with: mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l 1 -n 2 /dev/hda8 /dev/hdc7. But when i stop the device with mdadm -S, i cold not restart the device with mdadm -R ( no such device). any idea? |
| 15:28.46 | liable | oh ffs |
| 15:28.48 | the_CORRuptor200 | welcome to inferiority my friend |
| 15:28.51 | abrotman | the same osx that uses open source? |
| 15:29.02 | abrotman | right ..i thought so |
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| 15:29.07 | the_CORRuptor200 | i said before ,you blind fucks, that i like open sores. just not linux. |
| 15:29.11 | SimonRaven | the_CORRuptor200: hey, it's gay pride week here, maybe you should talk with them. homophobes are very often homeosexual themselves |
| 15:29.14 | liable | lets stop feeding the fucking troll. |
| 15:29.22 | SimonRaven | yeh, he's boring |
| 15:29.29 | the_CORRuptor200 | whats wrong with being gay you insensitive piece of shit |
| 15:29.46 | tbx | yeah. He's ignored. |
| 15:29.49 | SimonRaven | 11:27 the_CORRuptor20 : so are you fags still using CDE or have you updated to x.org |
| 15:29.54 | SimonRaven | look who's talking |
| 15:30.03 | Venson | hypocrite |
| 15:30.06 | the_CORRuptor200 | i thought linux freaks believed in freedom - thats not limited just to nerdy computer shit you fucks, it applies to sexual decision too |
| 15:30.07 | gravity | Heh, genius |
| 15:30.08 | SimonRaven | Eclipser: yeh, java itslef is nice. it's sun that sucks |
| 15:30.08 | igod | laible: Well thanks your orientation.. I will try install acpid and test |
| 15:30.20 | abrotman | he's not even smart |
| 15:30.27 | abrotman | he's so damn stupid |
| 15:30.31 | the_CORRuptor200 | simon, i am just speaking to my fellow homos. i am allowed to use fag if it isnt derogatory |
| 15:30.32 | SimonRaven | i suggest /ignore the_CORRuptor200 |
| 15:30.35 | liable | igod: try tab completion too :) |
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| 15:30.42 | Venson | someone hand him a dictionary....so he can learn new words (proper words, this time).... |
| 15:30.43 | SimonRaven | bubye |
| 15:30.55 | Phated | I think "fag" -is- in the dictionary. |
| 15:30.58 | tarzeau | Eclipser: what's the reason you quite like java? |
| 15:31.03 | abrotman | Phated: yeah .. a bundle of sticks |
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| 15:31.07 | SimonRaven | yes, twig |
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| 15:31.11 | SimonRaven | er, yeh |
| 15:31.11 | streuner_ | the_CORRuptor200: well, you have a sensitive feeling how to make friends, "I just don't like linux" - What do you expect in #debian then? |
| 15:31.15 | SimonRaven | !fag |
| 15:31.16 | dpkg | [fag] slang for a cigarette |
| 15:31.16 | evilbadman | FAG is a company in Germany who make bearings. |
| 15:31.20 | SimonRaven | @fag |
| 15:31.21 | ravenbird | fag is, like, what odys parents call him |
| 15:31.29 | dvs | SimonRaven: Or a small chore |
| 15:31.31 | SimonRaven | eew |
| 15:31.35 | SimonRaven | @dict fag |
| 15:31.38 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'fag' (1 of 11): auntie, beast of burden, beat, bi-guy, bisexual, bugger, bull dyke, burden, burn out, busy, butch, butt, carton of cigarettes, catamite, chicken, cig, cigarette, cigarette butt, cigarette case, debilitate, deck of cigarettes, dig, dirty work, do in, do up, donkeywork, drive, drudge, drudgery, dyke, employment, enervate, exhaust, fag ... |
| 15:31.39 | SimonRaven | that's true |
| 15:31.45 | the_CORRuptor200 | hey |
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| 15:31.54 | the_CORRuptor200 | have you ever heard of debian-win32 you noob |
| 15:31.58 | the_CORRuptor200 | or debian-bsd |
| 15:32.09 | Phated | Hm, does fag apply to bisexuals as well as homosexuals, then? |
| 15:32.09 | the_CORRuptor200 | debian isnt just linux you uninformed piece of fuck |
| 15:32.11 | igod | liable: sorry... |
| 15:32.15 | SimonRaven | used quite often ;) |
| 15:32.20 | the_CORRuptor200 | phated, way to be a chat whore |
| 15:32.22 | streuner_ | haha |
| 15:32.31 | Phated | the_CORRuptor200: Oh, shut up, troll. |
| 15:32.32 | liable | igod: its ok, but its easy and good too :) |
| 15:32.32 | the_CORRuptor200 | go compile gcc and leave this conversation to the men |
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| 15:32.35 | streuner_ | this troll is at least not boring :-) |
| 15:32.43 | igod | liable: thanks laible |
| 15:32.51 | the_CORRuptor200 | streuner argument lies abounf |
| 15:32.54 | tbx | "Piece of Fuck"? Wow, that's a new one on me. Actually have to admit to kind of liking that one. |
| 15:32.57 | SimonRaven | Phated: i've never seen it used that way. but i haven't been all over the world, eh ;) |
| 15:32.58 | igod | liable, thanks liable |
| 15:33.05 | liable | hehe |
| 15:33.11 | Phated | igod: I think you're missing the point of tab-complete and addressing someone by nick. |
| 15:33.15 | Phated | SimonRaven: Me neither. |
| 15:33.20 | the_CORRuptor200 | tbx, i am absolutely, positively the most invasive and innovative troll to grace this communication medium |
| 15:33.25 | Venson | tbx: as in not a complete one, but an entirely distinct entity....? lol |
| 15:33.36 | Venson | that is only part of a whole |
| 15:33.45 | Venson | that gets my philosophical mind churning |
| 15:33.46 | abrotman | the_CORRuptor200: i feel so bad for you |
| 15:33.59 | the_CORRuptor200 | good, i have gotten your attention.. thats what trolls do. |
| 15:34.09 | tbx | Venson: yeah, it actually has my head spinning in a not entirely unpleasant way. |
| 15:34.15 | SimonRaven | oh, anyone seen my blog posts lately? some of you might like it |
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| 15:34.24 | Phated | SimonRaven: Go on, link me. |
| 15:34.29 | the_CORRuptor200 | blogs are for self-involved losers |
| 15:34.37 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/ |
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| 15:34.49 | FieldySnuts | the_CORRuptor200: amen |
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| 15:34.59 | degaf | who can help me? i don't wanna write each time i restart my pc command: mount /dev/hd /mount/fat32... i would that this command can boot each time automatically |
| 15:35.05 | tbx | Venson: I'll have to invite my "ladyfriend" over for a spot of tea, and carefully ask her if she would care for a "piece of fuck" to go with her biscuits... |
| 15:35.09 | FieldySnuts | man fstab |
| 15:35.18 | SimonRaven | degaf: fstab is there for that reason |
| 15:35.21 | FieldySnuts | @fuck tbx |
| 15:35.27 | Venson | tbx: lol...good one. |
| 15:35.32 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
| 15:35.34 | degaf | how can i do it? |
| 15:35.41 | charzero | Does anybody make a portalable/rollup ergonomic (split) keyboard ? |
| 15:35.44 | FieldySnuts | read the fstab man page, create entry |
| 15:35.55 | SimonRaven | read the man page and look at /etc/fstab for an example |
| 15:35.57 | abrotman | charzero: not split .. but rollup .. at least that i've seen |
| 15:36.07 | streuner_ | the_CORRuptor200: those 'loosers' use their blogs mostly to communicate to each other (infos about debian)... ;-) |
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| 15:36.31 | StuckMojo | eclipse isn't in debian? |
| 15:36.34 | SimonRaven | charzero: i've seen some, but for palms. ergonomic, hardly |
| 15:36.41 | StuckMojo | licensing issue i suppose? |
| 15:36.49 | SimonRaven | mostly |
| 15:36.50 | Phated | StuckMojo: It is. |
| 15:36.54 | charzero | abrotman: yeah, i've seen rollups. but my hands hurt after 5 minutes on normal keyboards. esp. laptop ones. |
| 15:36.59 | StuckMojo | oh? what's the package name? |
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| 15:37.01 | Phated | Well, contrib, anyway, according to some. |
| 15:37.04 | abrotman | charzero: time for a new career :) |
| 15:37.07 | Phated | !find eclipse |
| 15:37.08 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'eclipse' (9): eclipse-javac ;; eclipse-jdt ;; eclipse-nls-sdk ;; eclipse-pde ;; eclipse-platform ;; eclipse-sdk ;; eclipse-source ;; eclipse-webdav-ftp ;; libeclipse-jni. |
| 15:37.11 | abrotman | StuckMojo: no |
| 15:37.12 | StuckMojo | oh nevermind |
| 15:37.12 | abrotman | not really |
| 15:37.15 | magix | who know how share internet 2 computer in LAN router model XRT-401D? |
| 15:37.17 | StuckMojo | eclipse-platform |
| 15:37.18 | abrotman | StuckMojo: it's an old version |
| 15:37.22 | charzero | abrotman: or i'll just not buy a laptop i guess. |
| 15:37.30 | test | SimonRaven: did you see the screenshot? |
| 15:37.40 | tbx | So, I am with /extreme anticipation/ looking forward to inkscape 0.42 being made available to sarge.... any body have any idea how long 'til I can get some satisfaction? |
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| 15:37.48 | SimonRaven | magix: nfs. no need for the router involved except as it's doing now, being a router |
| 15:37.51 | FieldySnuts | yeah right |
| 15:37.51 | abrotman | charzero: you could always break your wrist and retrain it |
| 15:37.56 | goron | I was following this "guide" to setup X11 forwarding, but I am not able to get the DISPLAY variable set correctly. http://www.scd.ucar.edu/docs/ssh/guide/node29.html |
| 15:37.57 | SimonRaven | test: err, no, sorry |
| 15:38.00 | cahoot | tbx: wait for your teaparty |
| 15:38.05 | test | SimonRaven: http://80.61.67.150/apache2-default/uglyfonts.jpg |
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| 15:38.08 | abrotman | the idiot just wandered off ? |
| 15:38.17 | test | SimonRaven: notice the the titled window frame fonts |
| 15:38.18 | StuckMojo | i'm looking for an IDE to write php. i was using kdevelop3, but it's packages are borked in sid right now, ever since the gcc-4 move |
| 15:38.26 | abrotman | StuckMojo: anjuta or bluefish |
| 15:38.27 | tbx | cahoot: forsooth! it's perfectly /barbarous/! |
| 15:38.29 | mtnman | tbx: new version number will not make it to current stable. you'll have to wait for etch. |
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| 15:38.42 | tbx | mtnman: nooooooooooooo!!! |
| 15:38.44 | SimonRaven | magix: please don't /msd me |
| 15:38.47 | charzero | abrotman: didn't somebody make a laptop once upon a time that when you opened it, they keyboard split out? |
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| 15:38.52 | StuckMojo | abrotman thx, i'll check em out |
| 15:38.54 | mtnman | tbx: yes. |
| 15:38.59 | goron | Can anybody give me a pointer of how I can get the display variable set correctly automatically by ssh? |
| 15:39.01 | SimonRaven | test: what fonts do you have installed? |
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| 15:39.03 | SimonRaven | magix: please don't /msd me |
| 15:39.08 | SimonRaven | msg even |
| 15:39.10 | mtnman | goron: ssh -X hostname |
| 15:39.12 | dvs | charzero: IBM's butterfly keyboard |
| 15:39.15 | goron | Ofcourse I did ssh -X |
| 15:39.19 | FieldySnuts | try -Y |
| 15:39.26 | charzero | dvs: do they still make 'em? |
| 15:39.31 | magix | who help me configure router planet? |
| 15:39.33 | tbx | mtnman: is there no other way? Seriously, it has some features that I need in the worst way - I have been waiting for a very, very long time for flowing text. |
| 15:39.34 | dvs | charzero: I don't think so |
| 15:39.36 | SimonRaven | magix: the router doesn't do the file sharing the lan does. or the fileserver, if you have one |
| 15:39.39 | test | SimonRaven: msstcorefotns,ttf-bistream,x-fonts that come with x-window-system-core, and terminus |
| 15:39.40 | mtnman | goron: of course, i knew that even though you never said so. |
| 15:39.51 | abrotman | StuckMojo: or vim |
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| 15:39.57 | goron | FieldySnuts: that's probably not very secure. |
| 15:39.57 | magix | SimonRaven: not file, internet connection only |
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| 15:40.10 | mtnman | tbx: install from source. iirc, there is even a .deb package on the inkscape website. |
| 15:40.15 | goron | mtnman: I said that I used that guide. |
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| 15:40.24 | balsd | probably a really simple question: I got into smbclient, it says smb: \>. Now, how do i print the file /home/user/Untitled.ps |
| 15:40.26 | magix | SimonRaven: J dont know how configure NAT, |
| 15:40.37 | goron | mtnman: But I can't expect you to read that, I guess. |
| 15:40.44 | tbx | mtnman: oh, yes, I know about that deb package. It blows the hell up on install. It depends on a whole pile of newer libs. |
| 15:40.50 | SimonRaven | test: ok, hold |
| 15:40.59 | mtnman | tbx: then i gues you need to install from source. |
| 15:41.15 | mtnman | balsd: smbprint |
| 15:41.28 | balsd | mtnman, smbprint runs smbclient |
| 15:41.49 | tbx | mtnman: would you be kind enough to point me in the right direction of the commands I need to man in order to create my own deb from source? [I am relatively new to debian]. |
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| 15:41.58 | mtnman | balsd: i suggest you read the docs for smbprint. i don't run any smb services here. |
| 15:42.01 | abrotman | tbx: /msg dpkg nm |
| 15:42.02 | abrotman | tbx: /msg dpkg mg |
| 15:42.07 | goron | FieldySnuts: How can I do it with just -X? The way I see it: either SSH doesn't set the DISPLAY variable, or it does set it, but the login env overrides it. |
| 15:42.07 | liable | balsd: can you see the printer with smbclient -L host? |
| 15:42.11 | chacho | hi im trying to make a little shell script sort of thing i guess |
| 15:42.14 | tbx | abrotman: thank you. |
| 15:42.16 | chacho | i want it to run two commands |
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| 15:42.27 | chacho | first sudo chroot /var/chroot/sarge-ia32 |
| 15:42.30 | chacho | then prompt for the password |
| 15:42.32 | Phated | #bash? Or #csh, or #zsh, whatever you use. |
| 15:42.33 | chacho | then Point2Play |
| 15:42.36 | chacho | bash |
| 15:42.42 | Phated | #bash, then. |
| 15:42.49 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.56 | chacho | o ok |
| 15:42.57 | chacho | thanks |
| 15:43.08 | balsd | liable, yes |
| 15:43.55 | balsd | liable, i just dont find what command i need to type online to print the postscript file |
| 15:44.02 | tbx | okay, now that the troll excitement has dissipated like a fart in the wind... could someone please help me with my persistent and aforementioned IRQ vs. CD/DVD issue? |
| 15:44.03 | liable | abrotman: did I have voice in freenode? |
| 15:44.13 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 15:44.24 | mtnman | dpkg tell tbx about ask |
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| 15:44.42 | tengulre | how to learn embedded-linux? which website is about it? |
| 15:44.49 | Phated | Google? |
| 15:44.55 | liable | balsd: can you print a test page? |
| 15:44.56 | tengulre | ? |
| 15:45.04 | abrotman | liable: i doubt it |
| 15:45.07 | balsd | liable, how do i do that |
| 15:45.09 | tbx | mtnman: well, I did ask before, but got overtrolled. |
| 15:45.09 | magix | \quit |
| 15:45.20 | azreal | tbx: ask again |
| 15:45.26 | mtnman | tbx: you can't expect anyone to remember the details of your question. |
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| 15:45.32 | tbx | during boot, I get "hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xffffbdfc)" twice, then "hdc: no response (status = 0x90), resetting drive", then another probe failure, then "hdc: no response (status = 0x80)", and then it gives up and moves on. The thing is, that drive works __everywhere__**except**__ inside debian. |
| 15:45.41 | tengulre | http://www.embeddedlinuxinterfacing.com |
| 15:45.42 | tbx | ... and even more annoying, it worked /with/ debian up until around last sunday. No, no [major] changes to this only two-week-old installation save for a few new packages. Can anyone help me? |
| 15:45.49 | tbx | ... I even tried installing a different kernel to see if that kicked things back around, and no dice. I am now running 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 15:45.50 | liable | balsd: 127.0.0.1:631 |
| 15:46.04 | liable | abrotman: you didnt see me? |
| 15:46.12 | tbx | ... those other "places" being - Knoppix. Slax. UBCD. DFSee. Partition Magic. Partition Commander. All bootable disks work just perfectly. Slax I ran dumping all to hd, and then opened the contents of a cd with it. |
| 15:46.40 | balsd | liable, no such page |
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| 15:47.10 | tengulre | >_< |
| 15:47.11 | SimonRaven | nice, web server isn't even breaking a sweat |
| 15:47.13 | liable | balsd: what printing stuff do you have installed? |
| 15:47.20 | abrotman | liable: i see you .. you have no voice |
| 15:47.27 | liable | abrotman: k |
| 15:47.35 | Eclipser | umh |
| 15:47.39 | abrotman | liable: you have to wait .. or get access points |
| 15:47.50 | SimonRaven | test: /me ponders |
| 15:47.52 | balsd | liable: samba client? samba i guess? --- it's working, i'm connected to the server, ther'es nothing wrong, i just dont know what command i need to type to print Untitled.ps |
| 15:47.55 | Eclipser | my xmms menu fonts are like uber small and changing the font from options doesn't affect it |
| 15:47.58 | liable | abrotman: yeah, it normally gives voice after a bit.. |
| 15:48.00 | test | SimonRaven: same here |
| 15:48.03 | SimonRaven | test: is that gnome? |
| 15:48.06 | goron | Can anybody give me a pointer of how I can get the display variable set correctly automatically by ssh? |
| 15:48.14 | liable | balsd: no. printing stuff... |
| 15:48.43 | balsd | liable, i don't know what that means |
| 15:48.44 | test | SimonRaven: ion, it's really cool wm, with no overlappng windows |
| 15:48.56 | abrotman | liable: not it .. a staffer does |
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| 15:49.14 | SimonRaven | test: well a while ago i set some GDK_FONT thing to enable AA. but it's gone past that since. i'd suggest installing more fonts, frankly. |
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| 15:49.21 | liable | balsd: why do you think you can print over samba, if you have no printing applications installed? |
| 15:49.34 | SimonRaven | test: oh ok. i'm not sure if ion supports xft/freetype |
| 15:49.41 | SimonRaven | test: maybe ion3 does? |
| 15:50.01 | azreal | tbx: are you useing ide-scsi? |
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| 15:50.28 | liable | abrotman: hmm, every time I've been there I normally get voice. |
| 15:50.30 | tbx | azreal: how do I determine that? |
| 15:50.46 | SimonRaven | liable: auto-voiced, or manually? |
| 15:50.50 | test | SimonRaven: It shouldn't be looking like that, I have been using it for a while now. it uses bitmap fonts I guess |
| 15:50.53 | Phated | tbx: lsmod. |
| 15:50.59 | tbx | azreal: .. if you are referring to a lib or a package? if you mean HW, it's an IDE drive. |
| 15:51.03 | SimonRaven | test: yeh, those are awful |
| 15:51.16 | azreal | tbx: if you compiled your own kernel |
| 15:51.17 | balsd | liable, http://pnm2ppa.sourceforge.net/PPA_networking/PPA_networking-3.html |
| 15:51.21 | liable | SimonRaven: once manually from richih I think, and others auto.. |
| 15:51.26 | abrotman | liable: /msg nickserv info abrotman |
| 15:51.26 | test | SimonRaven: idd, normaly they should like helvectica |
| 15:51.28 | cahoot | test: tried dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig? |
| 15:51.30 | abrotman | liable: /msg nickserv info liable |
| 15:51.57 | SimonRaven | liable: hmm |
| 15:52.00 | tbx | azreal: no, this is a stock kernel, straight from the pool. |
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| 15:52.14 | balsd | liable, i mean http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO#s10 |
| 15:52.20 | SimonRaven | i'm voiced. and i can't voice you either |
| 15:52.26 | SimonRaven | s/and/but/ |
| 15:52.29 | liable | abrotman: and? |
| 15:52.29 | balsd | everything is set up |
| 15:52.31 | abrotman | SimonRaven: gotta be staff |
| 15:52.32 | tbx | azreal: lsmod | grep ide-scsi yields nothing. lsmod | grep ide yields five entries. |
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| 15:53.04 | abrotman | liable: see the info about #debian-ot etc ?> |
| 15:53.11 | azreal | tbx: yeah, that wouldnt be something that would show up, unless you were trying to use it, just a guess. |
| 15:53.12 | SimonRaven | abrotman: set for some level (8?) to auto-voice. voiced people are 1 or something |
| 15:53.20 | Eclipser | I feel like I'm missing something crucial |
| 15:53.38 | Eclipser | some gtk libs perhaps... hmm |
| 15:53.46 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i'm 5 i think |
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| 15:54.59 | liable | abrotman: from nickserv? |
| 15:55.08 | abrotman | liable: yeah |
| 15:55.14 | ouch | i am trying to upgrade my firmware. I get 'Could bot find proper place for CRC-16 Compatibility verification failed for the second image Incompatible update data. |
| 15:55.16 | abrotman | maybe other people don't see it |
| 15:55.21 | liable | abrotman: doesnt shit.. |
| 15:55.24 | balsd | in smbclient, after I do smb: \> print /home/user/untitled.ps what is supposed to happen? |
| 15:55.25 | liable | say |
| 15:55.30 | FieldySnuts | ouch: could you tell us more details, not enough information there |
| 15:55.39 | abrotman | firmware ? |
| 15:55.44 | abrotman | debian .. firmware? |
| 15:56.03 | FieldySnuts | got me. usually done in windows or some lameness |
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| 15:56.21 | ouch | firmware for my senao 2511 |
| 15:56.28 | goron | Could anyone help me with this ssh + X11 issue? |
| 15:56.32 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 15:56.32 | dpkg | i heard sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 15:56.33 | liable | abrotman: you have lost me.. |
| 15:56.33 | tarzeau | goron: xorg? |
| 15:56.40 | goron | yes |
| 15:56.41 | abrotman | liable: it's ok |
| 15:56.42 | FieldySnuts | also try ssh -Y (I've already said this) |
| 15:56.53 | goron | FieldySnuts: but that's insecure. |
| 15:56.55 | ouch | upgrading to pri 1.1.1 sta 1.7.4 |
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| 15:57.01 | liable | abrotman: no, but I dont get it.. |
| 15:57.01 | FieldySnuts | have fun |
| 15:57.03 | goron | FieldySnuts: Or just for testing stuff, you mean? |
| 15:57.13 | abrotman | liable: some people have access levels to channesl |
| 15:57.34 | abrotman | liable: /msg ? |
| 15:57.47 | liable | abrotman: sure. |
| 15:58.21 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Where were you when my honour needed defending, eh? |
| 15:58.31 | FieldySnuts | who knows |
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| 15:58.42 | abrotman | had him on ignore i think |
| 15:58.52 | Phated | Oh, fair enough. |
| 15:58.53 | Eclipser | http://eclipser.no-ip.org/~eclipser/xmms.png could someone figure out why this happens (uber small fonts >.<) |
| 15:58.53 | goron | Well, I got the same result. |
| 15:59.08 | SimonRaven | magix: /msg dpkg port forwarding |
| 15:59.14 | ouch | What other info do you need? |
| 15:59.17 | SimonRaven | magix: /msg dpkg port forward sorry |
| 15:59.41 | coywolf | what's $PS2 for? |
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| 15:59.55 | abrotman | coywolf: you don't use bash to play PS2 games ? |
| 16:00.04 | Phated | Shock, shock. |
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| 16:00.15 | coywolf | abrotman, i mean PS1, PS2 |
| 16:00.22 | SimonRaven | setting the right hand prompt in shell, in left-to-right terminals |
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| 16:00.32 | abrotman | coywolf: yeah .. bash is compatible with PS1 too |
| 16:00.35 | goron | abrotman: hmm, I think I know what the problem is.... |
| 16:00.37 | Phated | A right-hand prompt? |
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| 16:00.39 | coywolf | abrotman, PS1 for the prompt, what's PS2 for? |
| 16:00.47 | tbx | azreal: so, stumped? |
| 16:00.48 | goron | I didn't restart sshd.... /stupid |
| 16:00.49 | abrotman | man bash |
| 16:00.53 | ouch | What other info do you need? |
| 16:00.58 | dvs | coywolf: That symbol before the cursor |
| 16:00.58 | tarzeau | coywolf: if you type " then enter |
| 16:01.03 | tarzeau | coywolf: you get to PS2 |
| 16:01.11 | tarzeau | coywolf: zsh has RPS |
| 16:01.16 | tbx | mtnman: any ideas on IRQ vs. CD/DVD? |
| 16:01.20 | coywolf | tarzeau, thanks |
| 16:01.25 | abrotman | coywolf: you really need to LEARN to READ |
| 16:01.32 | tarzeau | if you want to learn more about zsh, there's a online irc workshop soon, www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ |
| 16:01.41 | azreal | tbx: yeah, i would suggest compileing your own kernel though, and use as a reference the config from a known to be working kernel |
| 16:01.50 | Phated | Oooh, resiak would like that. |
| 16:02.05 | ulf___ | hi since i changed from suse to debian 3.1 on my laptop my cpu fan starts and never ends running, i have no idea where i should configure this, can you help me |
| 16:02.13 | tbx | azreal: this kernel was known to be working up until last sunday. Smething else is amiss. |
| 16:02.23 | X2 | bye guys |
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| 16:02.38 | ouch | What other info do you need? |
| 16:03.07 | liable | ulf___: hmm, acpi is a hard road in debian, but if it works in suse, then you should be able to get it to work in debian. |
| 16:03.10 | Venson | credit card #? :) |
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| 16:03.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: your schedule is out of date |
| 16:03.30 | abrotman | oh .. duh |
| 16:03.32 | linoleum | hello, I would like to know something :why , by default, when we install the sarge, cdrom can't be burn, and USB key are not detected automaticaly . I mean, why it is not so easy and ready to use than ubuntu , for exemple ???? |
| 16:03.35 | Eclipser | erf |
| 16:03.48 | Eclipser | something's very broken on my sarge box o.O; |
| 16:03.59 | abrotman | holy crap .. caphuso has a name |
| 16:04.02 | TheAsp | linoleum: do you have a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:04.08 | flawd | how do I make something I add in /etc/rc2.d/ run as a specified user instead as root |
| 16:04.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: why is it out of date? |
| 16:04.12 | linoleum | TheAsp, yes 2.6.10 |
| 16:04.14 | liable | linoleum: because you will actually learn stuff with debian :) |
| 16:04.25 | ouch | would somebody please help ouch with his firmware problems...lol |
| 16:04.33 | TheAsp | linoleum: is 2.6.10 in sarge? |
| 16:04.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: i didn't see the top two |
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| 16:04.45 | liable | linoleum: its not hard, you just need to do shit that ubuntu does for you :) |
| 16:04.49 | linoleum | TheAsp, no, i m with sid |
| 16:05.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: might want to do a bit better with the topics |
| 16:05.01 | TheAsp | linoleum: but you said sarge |
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| 16:05.06 | liable | linoleum: um, bad idea |
| 16:05.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: how? |
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| 16:05.25 | Rafet_ | hi |
| 16:05.25 | flawd | how do I make something I add in /etc/rc2.d/ run as a specified user instead as root? |
| 16:05.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i think they both don't yet know what they really want to tell ;) |
| 16:05.34 | Rafet_ | how to start iptables service for debian ? |
| 16:05.38 | linoleum | TheAsp, yes I said sarge because its the last stable version |
| 16:05.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: but if you wanna talk about anything, go ahead, there's plenty we could learn, ain't there? |
| 16:05.45 | TheAsp | flawd: you don't |
| 16:05.52 | liable | Rafet_: it starts at boot |
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| 16:06.11 | ulf___ | liable: well, i have to disable apic in grub menu.lst to: noapic otherwise my buildin ethernet is not wroking |
| 16:06.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: there are no topics |
| 16:06.17 | flawd | TheAsp, Is there another way to start something run as a user at boot? |
| 16:06.49 | linoleum | TheAsp, so , I installed it on a friend box, and I expected to have a ready to use desktop, but USBkey was not detected automaticaly, and burner didnt work |
| 16:06.49 | TheAsp | flawd: why not switch users with su in your script? or learn how to use start-stop-daemon |
| 16:06.51 | azreal | flawd: man su |
| 16:06.52 | liable | ulf___: whats that got to do with acpi? |
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| 16:07.09 | linoleum | I mean, I really like debian , but why it s not ready to use, like ubuntu |
| 16:07.15 | dvs | linoleum: Install k3b for the burner |
| 16:07.18 | TheAsp | linoleum: did you have gnome-volume-manager installed? |
| 16:07.26 | linoleum | TheAsp, yes |
| 16:07.31 | TheAsp | linoleum: hotplug? |
| 16:07.35 | TheAsp | linoleum: udev? |
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| 16:07.43 | dvs | linoleum: pmount? |
| 16:07.43 | ouch | i am trying to upgrade my prism2 firmware to PRI:1.1.1 STA:1.7.4. I get 'Could bot find proper place for CRC-16 Compatibility verification failed for the second image Incompatible update data. |
| 16:07.46 | dvs | linoleum: hal? |
| 16:07.53 | TheAsp | you know, all the stuff you need? |
| 16:07.53 | ulf___ | liable:i have no idea, if it is on my network card module is loading i can set eth0 up but can only ping myself not other on the net |
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| 16:07.59 | linoleum | dvs, that doesn mater with the program, sometimes we can burn, sometimes not, we dont understand why |
| 16:08.08 | liable | linoleum: sheesh, use ubuntu if you dont want to learn (or windows) or actually make an effert. its really not so hard.. |
| 16:08.20 | TheAsp | heh |
| 16:08.24 | dvs | linoleum: K3B has K3BSetup which will setup all those things. |
| 16:08.41 | liable | ulf___: whats the actuall problem again. I think I mis-understood.. |
| 16:08.57 | linoleum | dvs, ha ok , well, i'll try K3B |
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| 16:09.05 | ouch | abrotman, FieldySnuts? |
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| 16:09.29 | linoleum | liable, well, I have never see anywhere that a sarge need an programmer to be used ... |
| 16:09.34 | FieldySnuts | hi? |
| 16:09.40 | descript | how do i fix a dep trouble ? |
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| 16:09.51 | abrotman | ouch: ? |
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| 16:10.06 | liable | linoleum: after a month or so of frustrating-ness, you will say 'hey, thats not so bad' :) |
| 16:10.07 | ulf___ | liable: i don't understand, sorry |
| 16:10.08 | ouch | would somebody please help ouch with his firmware problems...lol |
| 16:10.15 | ouch | i am trying to upgrade my prism2 firmware to PRI:1.1.1 STA:1.7.4. I get 'Could bot find proper place for CRC-16 Compatibility verification failed for the second image Incompatible update data. |
| 16:10.29 | abrotman | ask #wireless ? |
| 16:10.31 | abrotman | nfc |
| 16:10.37 | dvs | ouch: What does this have to do with Debian/ |
| 16:10.37 | abrotman | my wifi works? |
| 16:10.43 | abrotman | #hardware ? |
| 16:10.44 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hi! |
| 16:10.44 | ouch | k...thanks |
| 16:10.53 | flawd | azreal, TheAsp "ln -s /path/to/script /etc/rc2.d/S99foo" then in script "su user; binary" ? |
| 16:11.10 | linoleum | liable, tell that to my friend :) |
| 16:11.33 | linoleum | liable, I mean , I dont want to have to go to his flat everyday to set up his computer :) |
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| 16:11.36 | liable | ulf___: um, you started with an acpi issue, and finished with a network card issue... |
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| 16:11.45 | ouch | while...i just installed debian/hostap, now my wifi doesn't work..so i am upgrading firmware |
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| 16:12.04 | liable | linoleum: get a shell on it :) |
| 16:12.04 | neila | who use nforce4 on debian sarge? |
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| 16:12.18 | liable | no one. |
| 16:12.20 | linoleum | liable, yea, I used to but its fun :) |
| 16:12.20 | dvs | !tell neila about nvidia-one liner |
| 16:12.26 | descript | The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005 |
| 16:12.30 | TheAsp | flawd: you should write a proper init script |
| 16:12.32 | descript | what's this ? |
| 16:13.05 | liable | descript: in what context? |
| 16:13.29 | neila | I'm working on nForce4Ultra AMD64 |
| 16:13.29 | linoleum | ok well bye |
| 16:13.31 | descript | sometime when i try to update apt a get Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org sid Release.gpg [189B] with different size |
| 16:13.32 | azreal | flawd: the script would contain the su command and its arguments, yes. |
| 16:13.51 | neila | two lan card doesn't work |
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| 16:14.01 | neila | i use 3com 3c905c |
| 16:14.02 | descript | sometime it work and sometime not |
| 16:14.05 | johnsu01 | Is there anything I can do short of a reboot to get usb working again? After this laptop wakes up from sleep (acpi), all the usb devices are dead and the kernel doesn't report any events when things are plugged in. I tried restarting hotplug and rmmod / modprobeing some of the modules. |
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| 16:14.37 | liable | descript: hmm, update again. |
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| 16:14.50 | johnsu01 | Using a 2.6.10-686 kernel |
| 16:14.52 | descript | liable: it work |
| 16:14.55 | ulf___ | liable: ah ok, i give a second option in the grub boot options: pci=biosirq has this something to do with this as well? |
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| 16:15.25 | FieldySnuts | badger |
| 16:15.25 | liable | ulf___: no, not with acpi. |
| 16:15.29 | Leon_ | hi, i need to configure my MX records to route the email to another external mail server, how can i do that? |
| 16:15.48 | neila | Linux yack 2.6.12.3-yaco |
| 16:15.50 | FieldySnuts | Leon_: edit the zone files, or use whatever web interface you have to the domain or something |
| 16:15.51 | descript | liable: well my main problem is not this, i want to install mysql-server and i get a prob mysql-server: Depends: mysql-client (>= 4.0.24-10) |
| 16:15.55 | descript | i do i fix it ? |
| 16:15.59 | Phated | yack-yaco? |
| 16:16.02 | Phated | *snicker* |
| 16:16.17 | ulf___ | liable: ok, so what can i do now? |
| 16:16.29 | liable | descript: welcome to sid :) |
| 16:16.35 | neila | this is my own kernel |
| 16:16.41 | Leon_ | FieldySnuts: thanks |
| 16:16.48 | neila | I turn on many options |
| 16:16.54 | neila | and I have : |
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| 16:17.05 | Phated | No paste, no paste! |
| 16:17.05 | neila | Memory controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005e |
| 16:17.07 | descript | liable: ah ok, i would be sure :) |
| 16:17.17 | neila | SMBus: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0052 (rev a2) |
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| 16:17.32 | ulf___ | liable: if a disable acpi my cpufan is getting crazy, with acpi no net, |
| 16:17.34 | neila | and many many Unknow |
| 16:17.39 | liable | ulf___: do you actually have apid installed? |
| 16:17.40 | dvs | neila: You have tried the 3c59x driver, right? |
| 16:17.52 | SimonRaven | neila: run update-pciids as root |
| 16:17.53 | neila | dvs: yes |
| 16:17.58 | SimonRaven | neila: then try it |
| 16:18.13 | neila | i work on 3com now |
| 16:18.19 | liable | ulf___: what does acpi have to do with your network card? you loose me there. |
| 16:18.24 | neila | and it is working |
| 16:18.42 | SimonRaven | 3c59x is a driver for some 3coms, yes |
| 16:19.03 | neila | but |
| 16:19.14 | neila | lan on board don't work |
| 16:19.27 | dvs | neila: That's forcedeth |
| 16:19.34 | neila | two 1gb etherner |
| 16:19.49 | TeLLuS | sync |
| 16:20.38 | abrotman | !pciids |
| 16:20.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 16:20.41 | abrotman | neila: ^^ |
| 16:21.01 | neila | thx! |
| 16:21.07 | neila | thanks |
| 16:21.13 | abrotman | neila: that will help you figure out what it is |
| 16:21.23 | ulf___ | liable: this is the big question, at that point my network is not working propper, if i start without the option "noapic" |
| 16:21.26 | neila | i will make it, now |
| 16:21.28 | abrotman | and umh |
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| 16:21.41 | abrotman | there is also an .. update-usbids or something |
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| 16:23.13 | anda_linux | hi |
| 16:23.37 | anda_linux | frage: Kann mir bitte einer helfen warum ich bei meinem Linux dedicated cs server den port nicht ändern kann? |
| 16:24.11 | liable | ulf___: um, noapic!=acpi |
| 16:24.13 | abrotman | !de |
| 16:24.13 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 16:24.16 | abrotman | !at |
| 16:24.17 | dpkg | [at] a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. |
| 16:24.19 | abrotman | bah |
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| 16:25.40 | liable | am I loosing the plot or misunderstanding? |
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| 16:25.55 | abrotman | losing ? |
| 16:26.06 | ma3x | is there a good dvd decrypter for debian? |
| 16:26.16 | abrotman | ma3x: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:26.18 | liable | grammer nazi! |
| 16:26.25 | abrotman | grammar |
| 16:26.30 | liable | ffs |
| 16:26.41 | anda_linux | cu |
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| 16:26.45 | liable | abrotman: bastard! :P |
| 16:26.53 | abrotman | sorry |
| 16:27.01 | goron | abrotman: that was the problem. It is solved. |
| 16:27.08 | liable | kidding of course.. |
| 16:27.28 | abrotman | !grammer |
| 16:27.28 | dpkg | it's grammar, dammit, unless you're talking about Kelsey. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=grammer |
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| 16:27.57 | highvoltage | frasier was real good. |
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| 16:28.02 | liable | we already have guerin, thats enough. |
| 16:28.06 | dvs | highvoltage: yup |
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| 16:28.49 | ma3x | why do i have to rip dvd, can't i just copy it? |
| 16:28.55 | abrotman | that's dd |
| 16:29.09 | neila | dd if=/dev/hdc of=file.iso |
| 16:29.16 | highvoltage | dd is the coolest tool ever. |
| 16:29.33 | joris_ | highvoltage: one of them |
| 16:29.39 | highvoltage | no OS is complete without it (which is why I have trouble understanding why people actaully pay for windows) |
| 16:29.42 | daedalus_ | highvoltage: also one of the most dangerous ;) |
| 16:29.56 | highvoltage | daedalus_: true, true. |
| 16:30.41 | neila | then you burn iso: $growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=8 -Z /dev/hdc=dvd.iso |
| 16:30.44 | liable | ma3x: dvdbackup |
| 16:30.51 | highvoltage | i remember, I used to install 4 or 5 3rd party tools in windows just to do the job that dd does. i was very impressed by dd and /dev when i started using linux. |
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| 16:31.16 | ma3x | liable: thanks |
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| 16:31.30 | simplexe | hiii |
| 16:31.36 | dvs | hellooooo |
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| 16:31.39 | ma3x | erm, liable isn't there frontend to that? |
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| 16:31.54 | liable | ma3x: dvdrip then... |
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| 16:32.24 | simplexe | i wanna ask if there is a P2p tool (good if possible)under debian ?? |
| 16:32.33 | abrotman | gtk-gnutella |
| 16:32.42 | liable | !warez |
| 16:32.43 | dpkg | it has been said that warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 16:32.54 | simplexe | the best ?? abrotman ? |
| 16:33.02 | theath | limewire |
| 16:33.04 | abrotman | !best |
| 16:33.04 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:33.05 | Phated | gnutella is nice. |
| 16:33.13 | simplexe | lol |
| 16:33.17 | abrotman | simplexe: you haven't told us what you want to pirate yet |
| 16:33.17 | highvoltage | liable: p2p isn't just used for warez ;) |
| 16:33.26 | abrotman | highvoltage: 99.99999% |
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| 16:33.39 | liable | highvoltage: yes not just, but mostly :) |
| 16:33.42 | simplexe | abrotman: lool |
| 16:33.43 | TeLLuS | Upps.. Back to try 2.6.11 Realtek ALC650 does not seem to work with the new linux-image-2.6.12.. or it is the alsa options.. back soon.. |
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| 16:33.56 | abrotman | simplexe: there are BT clients too |
| 16:34.04 | simplexe | like ? |
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| 16:34.20 | abrotman | apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 16:34.22 | Phated | bittorrent. |
| 16:34.23 | liable | highvoltage: pr0n! |
| 16:34.34 | simplexe | :)) thx |
| 16:34.43 | ulf___ | liable: ok, i understand, i checked for acpi and acpid, they are installed , but reconfigure acpid give output: no acpi support in kernel. |
| 16:34.48 | highvoltage | liable: can't argue that. do you get open-content pr0n? |
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| 16:35.26 | liable | highvoltage: not yet, my adsl line gets connected next week :P |
| 16:35.30 | abrotman | and why would i want to .. nfc .. just wondering :) |
| 16:35.32 | highvoltage | abrotman: or apt even. |
| 16:35.38 | Phated | pr0n generally is, pardon the awful pun, "open". |
| 16:35.52 | liable | haha |
| 16:35.53 | abrotman | highvoltage: ok .. that makes zero sense :) |
| 16:36.16 | abrotman | at least wget made sense |
| 16:36.19 | abrotman | kind of |
| 16:36.26 | highvoltage | abrotman: i think apt would make sense |
| 16:36.31 | abrotman | why? |
| 16:36.31 | liable | ulf___: um what kernel? |
| 16:36.39 | abrotman | most packages are less than a few 100k |
| 16:36.39 | highvoltage | abrotman: apt-get download linkin-park-reanimation |
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| 16:36.47 | liable | ulf___: uname -r |
| 16:36.49 | Phated | apt-get warez. |
| 16:36.51 | abrotman | highvoltage: uhm .. no |
| 16:37.01 | abrotman | apt-get moo |
| 16:37.08 | liable | mooooo |
| 16:37.10 | Phated | I agree, though. Having it in wget makes more sense. |
| 16:37.17 | highvoltage | super cow powers. |
| 16:37.26 | Phated | You can't expect every piece of warez in the world to be packaged, duh. |
| 16:37.33 | highvoltage | but wget doesn't have an idea about repositories |
| 16:37.36 | neila | apt-get install sl |
| 16:37.41 | highvoltage | and wget doesn't have package lists. |
| 16:37.44 | nvz | I'm still tired 8P makes me wonder why I woke up |
| 16:37.47 | Phated | That's the point. DUH. |
| 16:37.50 | highvoltage | apt handles those things well. |
| 16:37.51 | dvs | Phated: Why not? Debian is 13 CD now ;-) |
| 16:38.01 | highvoltage | i think it could be a great tool for distributin open-content music. |
| 16:38.09 | abrotman | use BT ... |
| 16:38.12 | ulf___ | liable: 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 16:38.35 | Phated | dvs: Throw in warez, and you might as well start developing super-high-dense CDs, and even then it'll be a hundred CDs. |
| 16:38.43 | nvz | bleh |
| 16:38.57 | liable | ulf___: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-i386 |
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| 16:39.23 | liable | or 686 |
| 16:39.36 | ulf___ | liable: no acpi support in 2.4? |
| 16:39.38 | liable | or whatever it is.. |
| 16:40.06 | nvz | water ballons are thinner than regular ones huh? |
| 16:40.09 | nvz | heh |
| 16:40.27 | neila | Debian is the best if you use internet ;) |
| 16:40.33 | abrotman | nvz: stop playing with condoms |
| 16:40.57 | nvz | na, condoms wouldnt work |
| 16:40.58 | liable | ulf___: acpi is still getting sorted out now, and 2.4 is quite old.. |
| 16:41.09 | ma3x | cdrecord device (n,n,n or filename): 0,X,0 has not format n,n,n and is no file : NOT Ok |
| 16:41.12 | ma3x | what should i enter there? |
| 16:41.21 | ma3x | like /dev/hdc ? |
| 16:41.27 | ma3x | that's my cd/dvd rom |
| 16:41.39 | dvs | ma3x: Worked for me. |
| 16:41.44 | nvz | tried my little experiment with ziplock bags and got usable data, but they bust open too easily :P |
| 16:41.51 | ma3x | but why is 0,X,0 as default?? |
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| 16:42.11 | ma3x | and here ?? cdrecord command: /usr/lib/xcdroast/bin/xcdrwrap not found : NOT Ok |
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| 16:42.36 | ma3x | dvs? |
| 16:42.42 | ma3x | hey where did you guys go? |
| 16:42.50 | neila | ma3x: cdrecord --scanbus |
| 16:42.50 | ma3x | what should i enter at cdrecord command: ? |
| 16:42.56 | ma3x | hey neila |
| 16:42.57 | ma3x | thanks! |
| 16:42.59 | ma3x | :s |
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| 16:43.06 | neila | if you have 2.4 |
| 16:43.10 | nvz | need something that can contain water, maintain complete flexibility. i.e. can conform to the shape of a container just as easily or as close to water itself. and be pretty strong that I can put pressure on it :P |
| 16:43.10 | abrotman | ma3x: we're all on the crapper .. jeez .. have patience |
| 16:43.23 | abrotman | nvz: camelback |
| 16:43.42 | nvz | heh |
| 16:44.13 | neila | if you have 2.6 - use channel where you have got a cdrw |
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| 16:44.15 | abrotman | nvz: http://www.ems.com/products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442586234&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302847379&fromTemplate=navigation%2Fsubcategory.jsp&bmUID=1122741785211 |
| 16:44.30 | abrotman | nvz: sorry ... long link .. search EMS.com for camelbak |
| 16:44.54 | nvz | heh |
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| 16:45.15 | coywolf | anyone uses tcsh here? |
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| 16:45.20 | abrotman | nvz: that's i know of .. other than a water bottle ;) |
| 16:45.23 | abrotman | err hot water bottle |
| 16:45.32 | nvz | thats not what I am talking about.. I think I need to try baloons.. they arent that expensive.. and I know I will get better results than the bags |
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| 16:46.14 | reaper | when i try to install tomcat4 with apt on test/unstable why does it say the package is not available? it shows up on packages.debian.org |
| 16:46.15 | abrotman | nvz: hey .. that was my idea |
| 16:46.31 | dvs | reaper: You need a java package |
| 16:46.55 | ma3x | hey how do i rip the dvd now? |
| 16:46.56 | Linoleum | sorry peaple, but what is it about Xorg ?? there is a probleme ?? because I haven't make an aptitude dist-upgrade today ... is there a problem? |
| 16:47.02 | reaper | why wouldnt apt detect that dep like other packages |
| 16:47.04 | ma3x | i mean there is only transcode options |
| 16:47.33 | gravity | wtf |
| 16:47.45 | gravity | Linoleum: No more than the usual problems with X |
| 16:48.01 | liable | !handhold ma3x |
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| 16:48.21 | nvz | cant be any air inside either.. reduces the properties I am looking for |
| 16:48.24 | neila | Linoleum: /etc/apt/sources.list [deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main] |
| 16:48.35 | neila | if you have sarge |
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| 16:48.51 | mikeynux | !bot greetme |
| 16:49.04 | nvz | dont want to call in my engineer cause he'd make me feel like an idiot |
| 16:49.15 | liable | !ignore mikeynux |
| 16:49.17 | abrotman | nvz: that's why he's called an .. engineer |
| 16:49.28 | nvz | heh |
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| 16:50.24 | mikeynux | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 16:51.29 | tgop | hi, new user here, can anyone tell me how to set desktop resolution? |
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| 16:51.59 | abrotman | !drxx tgop |
| 16:52.00 | dpkg | tgop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 16:52.07 | groton | hello people |
| 16:52.19 | simplexe | i'm installing gtk-gnutella and at the end of a ./configure he returns me that teh C compiler seems not working and i have to find another c compiler ! |
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| 16:52.23 | ma3x | i dont understand, when dvdrip rips, why does it create avi folder? |
| 16:52.24 | nvz | yeah he'd save me money and time, cause he manages to figure out how to make what I need out of stuff I already have all the time.. when I am thinking to hard about it |
| 16:52.31 | abrotman | simplexe: apt-get install gtk-gnutella |
| 16:52.37 | abrotman | !tell simplexe about refcard |
| 16:52.49 | liable | ma3x: dude, a dvd is not an avi. |
| 16:53.04 | ma3x | liable that's right, why does it create avi folder then? |
| 16:53.08 | ma3x | i just want to rip the bloody dvd |
| 16:53.08 | groton | when i run any OGL app, i have tro prepend this to the command: LD_PRELOAD=libGL.so to get it run with direct rendering, otherwise i will get indirect rendering. I just noticed that i do not have an entry like '/usr/lib' in /etc/ld.so.conf. What's wrong? |
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| 16:53.16 | tgop | dpkg: thanks, I think i know what you mean |
| 16:53.24 | dvs | simplexe: Why are you compiling it when it is in sarge? |
| 16:53.32 | liable | ma3x: um, you need to actually encode it into a avi?? |
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| 16:53.49 | nvz | I kept his ass up till like 4am last night talking about anything from digest algorithms to automation systems |
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| 16:53.55 | liable | ma3x: doom9.org |
| 16:54.01 | simplexe | yes in sarge dvs |
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| 16:54.16 | ma3x | liable: i just want to rip it and then copy it to another dvd! |
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| 16:54.35 | liable | ma3x: well wtf are you on about a avi? |
| 16:54.51 | ohad_ | problems with ipw2200 - i have tried to install ipw2200-source ipw2200-firmware. the module-assistant always stops in the middle and gives me the msg that ipw2200-source failed. i tried to run make from source. i get the msg that ieee80211 is missing. i've installed that pkg as well from source. any other bright ideas? i have upgraded to 2.6.11-686 |
| 16:55.45 | ma3x | liable : when i click on new project, then i set the storage settings, and when on the RIP title, i select the title and then click on 'rip selected titles' |
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| 16:55.48 | ma3x | and is that all? |
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| 16:56.07 | ma3x | because there are many tabs like clip and zoom, subtitles, transcode, burn, logging |
| 16:56.12 | ma3x | now should i set the other chapters or no? |
| 16:56.21 | simplexe | where can i find the volume control system ?? |
| 16:56.27 | abrotman | for what? |
| 16:56.44 | ma3x | and under 'operate' in the menu, you can chooose transcode, transcode and split, create splitted vobsubs .... |
| 16:56.48 | ma3x | so what should i choose? |
| 16:56.59 | ma3x | i just want to copy it to another dvd disc that's all |
| 16:57.05 | nvz | oh well.. off to try satisfy my very strange shopping list |
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| 16:57.31 | simplexe | i can't hear sounds corectly abrotman ! |
| 16:57.39 | liable | ma3x: I dont know. I havent ripped dvd's for a while. read the bloody instructions?man page/ google/ doom9 |
| 16:57.39 | abrotman | simplexe: as who? |
| 16:57.55 | simplexe | ? |
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| 16:58.41 | simplexe | the sound is low ! |
| 16:58.46 | liable | simplexe: alsamixer? |
| 16:58.55 | simplexe | don't know |
| 16:59.03 | simplexe | where can i up the volume sound |
| 16:59.04 | liable | the volume button! |
| 16:59.11 | simplexe | where ?? |
| 16:59.15 | ohad_ | ipw2200 help anyone? |
| 16:59.19 | ohad_ | :/ |
| 16:59.22 | liable | on the front.. |
| 16:59.27 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 16:59.27 | dpkg | somebody said ipw2200 was a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net. |
| 17:00.28 | simplexe | it's ok with alsamixer |
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| 17:06.32 | Pingu12- | cfdisk says : Disk Drive: /dev/sda \\ Size: -949078720512 bytes, -949078 MB - I cant create any partitions with negative diskspace - whats that ? |
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| 17:07.11 | aeg | HOSTING: Does anyone want hosting? |
| 17:07.34 | afabian | Pingu12-: looks like an overflow. You ... .. aren't using a drive more than a terabyte, are you? ;) |
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| 17:08.42 | Pingu12- | should be raid 10 with 10 250GB drives -> 1,25TB |
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| 17:09.15 | ma3x | I got the .vobs |
| 17:09.24 | ma3x | now should i just create VIDEO_TS on the disc and place them there? |
| 17:09.34 | Pingu12- | afabian: so.. i AM using a drive with more then 1 TB :P |
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| 17:10.27 | ma3x | hello |
| 17:10.28 | afabian | Pingu12-: It might be an overflow, then. You might need to do some filesystem research to see what the limits are, and cfdisk might just be oveflowing on a valid filesystem... could try fdisk, the old stand-by, or some other tools. |
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| 17:10.34 | ma3x | a little help is highly appreciated |
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| 17:10.50 | Yokalosh | i know this is a very dumb question, but is there a simple gameboy colour emulator for gnome for my little bro |
| 17:11.14 | Yokalosh | :S |
| 17:11.20 | pirre | Yokalosh: apt-cache search gameboy ? |
| 17:11.29 | Yokalosh | lol i'll give it a go |
| 17:11.36 | Eclipser | gngb maybe |
| 17:11.56 | ohad_ | ideas why when i close the lid of my laptop -it goes into suspend mode, then when i lift the lid/monitor of my laptop i get two high beeps and i can't see anything - the video does not come back - ideas? |
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| 17:12.20 | pirre | ohad_: apm or acpi? |
| 17:12.22 | Yokalosh | buggered laptop? ;) |
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| 17:12.25 | Yokalosh | jokes |
| 17:12.28 | Yokalosh | cheers guys |
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| 17:12.53 | alvaro | hi |
| 17:13.17 | alvaro | what's the program in gnome for grab a cd? |
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| 17:13.25 | echnaton | hi.. just wondering about the use of my Memory: 330/512MB an only xchat and xfce running? is it normal? |
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| 17:13.26 | Pryon | grip |
| 17:13.44 | cahoot | alvaro: abcde for any environment |
| 17:13.48 | pirre | alvaro: apt-cache search ? |
| 17:13.53 | ohad_ | pirre, acpi |
| 17:14.09 | pirre | ohad_: I had that same problem, so I went back to apm :/ |
| 17:14.38 | alvaro | for record a cd |
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| 17:14.47 | afabian | echnaton: I wouldn't worry about it until/unless you start poor performance. Memory is 'there for the wasting' until you get up to the limit of physical RAM, and I don't think the kernel sweats over it. |
| 17:14.51 | Pryon | cdrecord? |
| 17:14.56 | alvaro | pierre, ni find it |
| 17:14.56 | FieldySnuts | in gnome. |
| 17:14.59 | alvaro | yes |
| 17:15.05 | echnaton | hm okay |
| 17:15.06 | pirre | alvaro: apt-cache search cd rip gnome |
| 17:15.26 | omi | how would I get rid of unstable tree "These packages could not be verified" warning, it's anoying |
| 17:15.31 | alvaro | i don't remember the name and apt-cache search can't find it |
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| 17:15.59 | Pryon | cdrecord? |
| 17:16.00 | omi | apt-cache search gcc4 |
| 17:16.01 | pirre | alvaro: |
| 17:16.05 | pirre | grip? |
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| 17:16.09 | omi | as oppesed to gcc-4 |
| 17:16.09 | alvaro | no |
| 17:16.31 | cahoot | alvaro: you want to copy or create a cd? |
| 17:16.33 | omi | oops |
| 17:16.36 | alvaro | create |
| 17:16.41 | alvaro | and copy |
| 17:16.42 | omi | sorry wrong chanel |
| 17:17.24 | afabian | echnaton: I have 768 MB of RAM and it's full almost all of the time running X, a couple of xterms, a web-browser (maybe firefox or opera), and azureus. And it's still full when I open 20 more xterms, and the system doesn't slow down. ::shrugs.:: ;) |
| 17:17.36 | FieldySnuts | it's not full. understand cache and buffers. |
| 17:17.43 | echnaton | okay afabian |
| 17:17.49 | echnaton | thats interesting |
| 17:17.59 | ohad_ | pirre, how do i "go back" to apm? |
| 17:18.02 | liable | omi: from marillat? |
| 17:18.26 | pirre | ohad_: compile the kernel module, install the apm tools? |
| 17:18.45 | ohad_ | pirre, i think i already have apm on my kernel |
| 17:18.46 | omi | no no, I misread something |
| 17:18.50 | omi | unstable if you're asking |
| 17:19.00 | ohad_ | pirre, any tool beside apmd? |
| 17:19.15 | omi | anyone here running 2.6.13-rc4? |
| 17:19.19 | pirre | ohad_: not that I know of |
| 17:19.25 | ohad_ | pirre, ok. thcx |
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| 17:20.26 | omi | afabian, how many mozillas can you open :) |
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| 17:20.31 | liable | omi: you are running bleeding edge. work it out or dont. |
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| 17:20.51 | liable | !annoy TwistedEmotions |
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| 17:21.00 | liable | gay |
| 17:21.04 | omi | liable, hehe, I just want to try out 2.6.13, I'm running other things on 'stable' kernel |
| 17:21.04 | War2 | hm, I just did an apt-get install eric . The editor is installed, but it didn't create any new item in the KDE menus (it did start up from the command line.) |
| 17:21.14 | War2 | That's irritating. :) |
| 17:21.16 | FieldySnuts | ~gay |
| 17:21.16 | apt | gay is, like, happy |
| 17:21.22 | FieldySnuts | well. ok then |
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| 17:23.19 | TwistedEmotions | liable: that was just mean... |
| 17:23.30 | TwistedEmotions | jesus I got a pounding headache. |
| 17:24.12 | simplexe | i have a hp laptop and the bottom of sounds are not availble, can u tell me what i 've to do for making it works ?? |
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| 17:24.54 | TwistedEmotions | simplexe: blow into it.. |
| 17:24.58 | liable | the bottom of sounds?? |
| 17:25.11 | simplexe | up and down |
| 17:25.19 | simplexe | and mute |
| 17:25.31 | TwistedEmotions | he means the buttons.. |
| 17:25.37 | TwistedEmotions | volume up and down.. |
| 17:25.42 | liable | ahhhh |
| 17:25.49 | simplexe | sorry for my bad english ! |
| 17:25.57 | TwistedEmotions | simplexe: all good ;) |
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| 17:26.04 | liable | isnt there hp kernel modules? |
| 17:26.18 | tgop | hi, tried to use dpkg-reconfigure to change resolution and selected higher resolution but nothing happened. rebooted and still nothing. it is a laptop lcd, i want 1400x1050 but am only getting 1280x1024 |
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| 17:26.48 | simplexe | i don't think liable , i saw in hp.com all drivers goes to windows !! |
| 17:27.09 | TwistedEmotions | simplexe: try using xmodmap... |
| 17:27.12 | necroshine | hello. is it normal that i have only very few updates in my testing distribution since sarge-release? About 5 packages a week or so? |
| 17:27.31 | narg | Hrm, what is unstable kde version these days? |
| 17:27.49 | TwistedEmotions | narg: who runs kde these days? |
| 17:27.58 | simplexe | xmodmap gives me what ?? |
| 17:28.00 | liable | simplexe: google, I am pretty sure there is, but I cant be bothered looking for you (bed time for me) |
| 17:28.00 | RedDrake | !! |
| 17:28.00 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 17:28.46 | liable | TwistedEmotions: I do. |
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| 17:29.17 | tgop | think i missed something, trying now... |
| 17:29.31 | TwistedEmotions | liable: you freak of nature... what is the other program that works with xmodmap? |
| 17:29.44 | liable | xbindkeys.. |
| 17:29.49 | liable | xev |
| 17:30.05 | TwistedEmotions | simplexe: it lets to add/remove keys... yeah and use xbindkeys and xev too.. |
| 17:30.10 | TwistedEmotions | liable: ;) Weee |
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| 17:30.38 | slobfish | simplexe: http://www.g-schnabel.net/xe4500/ take a look |
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| 17:31.43 | TwistedEmotions | brb |
| 17:32.28 | jafar00 | hi. Is the "Business Card" image enough to get a full installation of Debian happening? |
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| 17:34.03 | ulf__ | hi i got it running acpi, not my fan is not jumping out of the ball bearing, the reason way default disable in kernelconfig, a acpi=on at the and of bootline fixed it |
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| 17:34.29 | elhim | lo |
| 17:35.24 | elhim | so um anybody tried upgrading xorg packages? i get 404s when fetching anything x related... |
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| 17:40.30 | tbx | question to all: does anyone have any suggestions how to fix this error [on a JFS partition]? "This partition ends after the disk limits. (start=63, size=586072304, end=586072366, disk end=586067265)" |
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| 17:42.55 | zered | hi everybody |
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| 17:43.08 | narg | Hrm, is there an easy way to be able to switch to a non-kde/gnome environ for playing games that the sound systems, etc interferes with? (possibly keeping the DEs open?) |
| 17:44.02 | zered | I've just install a debian box on my really neaw hard disk |
| 17:44.16 | zered | I had problems with locales but now it's ok |
| 17:44.33 | zered | Now I have problem with sound ! No sound under gnome |
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| 17:44.41 | zered | What could I do ? |
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| 17:44.44 | Jacky^ | hi |
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| 17:45.03 | Jacky^ | what can I use to block ssh dictionary attack ? |
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| 17:47.10 | TeLLuS | FYI Webcamera with USBsound made GA-7VAX Onboard Audio (Realtek ALC650) was not found when the using modules in the linux-image-2.6.12 :( Works with my 2.6.12 with built-in driver.. Some problem with hotplug..!? |
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| 17:47.38 | TeLLuS | Jacky^: iptables? |
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| 17:48.19 | Jacky^ | TeLLuS: i'm tryng some script found online, but seem doens't work |
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| 17:48.26 | Jacky^ | on Debian |
| 17:48.39 | jzono1 | um, how do i update to a 2,6 kernel? |
| 17:48.42 | Jacky^ | I'm tryng this: http://bluedogsecurity.cyberinfo.se/ssh_block//0.24/ssh_block |
| 17:48.47 | jzono1 | (with apt) |
| 17:49.22 | Jacky^ | jzono1: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 17:50.32 | _TuXeD_ | wnas |
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| 17:51.09 | colde89 | isn`t it possible to start and stop raid-devices with mdadm? |
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| 17:51.46 | Veratien | Anyone know where I can grab the Doom 3 client from? |
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| 17:53.28 | Eclipser | is there any other way to play midi stuff except to have qsynth in the background? :< |
| 17:53.59 | Veratien | eclip: timidity? |
| 17:54.06 | Veratien | *Eclipser |
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| 17:55.50 | Eclipser | timidity is just a player, right? |
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| 17:56.54 | Veratien | Eclipser: There are ALSA/OSS sequencer drivers if you have a card with a sequencer on it. |
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| 17:57.18 | highvoltage | what kind of bot is dpkg? |
| 17:57.35 | Eclipser | dpkg, what are you? |
| 17:57.35 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 17:57.46 | cadu | !distcc |
| 17:57.47 | highvoltage | dpkg: thanks |
| 17:57.48 | dpkg | that's ok |
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| 18:01.06 | Eclipser | seems a bit of a mess this midi thing :< |
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| 18:02.03 | coywolf | is it the only way in tcsh to search history by !foo:p ? in bash it's ^R |
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| 18:02.33 | Mhayk | can help me.. about multi-head i from Brazil.... |
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| 18:04.41 | blenda | i compiled pftp myself, now it won't start because "pftp: error while loading shared libraries: libpftputil.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" although libpftputil.so.0 is availible in /usr/local/lib/ |
| 18:04.53 | blenda | anyone who knows what this is about? |
| 18:04.58 | Mhayk | can help me.. about multi-head i from Brazil.... |
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| 18:05.01 | War2 | I just installed gcc and g++ 4.0 using apt-get. But g++ -version still points to 3.4. Is there any way to automatically make 4.0 the default g++ (without me needing to change the symlinks)? |
| 18:05.05 | pureone | !br |
| 18:05.05 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:05.27 | highvoltage | dpkg: gracas |
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| 18:06.03 | blenda | Wanderer: I'm not sure, but you may find useful information in the man page for update-alternatives (8) |
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| 18:06.09 | licued | I was sent here from EFnet! ;) |
| 18:06.22 | blenda | Wanderer: sorry, i meant war2 |
| 18:06.37 | blenda | War2: se message to Wanderer above 8) |
| 18:06.45 | licued | I'm having some serious problem trying to install alsa drivers for my RME HDSP 9632 |
| 18:07.39 | licued | does anyone think they could be of assistance? |
| 18:07.52 | War2 | blenda: got it. Thanks. |
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| 18:08.40 | blenda | licued: is the device supposed to be supported by alsa? |
| 18:08.46 | licued | yeap |
| 18:09.02 | blenda | licued: what is your problem more specifically? |
| 18:09.23 | licued | well when I install them I get the following error at the end of the installation: |
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| 18:10.09 | licued | Setting default volumes... |
| 18:10.09 | licued | Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
| 18:10.09 | licued | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.30 | licued | people (ops/voices) on EFnet tried helping me and said I might have better luck here |
| 18:10.36 | blenda | licued: sorry, I have no idea |
| 18:10.43 | licued | they wher egreat assitance , but it still ... |
| 18:10.45 | licued | ah damn |
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| 18:12.47 | liquid_ | bend please |
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| 18:19.18 | resiak | Are there fewer tards here now? |
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| 18:21.23 | cahoot | licued: tried here? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/18258 |
| 18:22.18 | licued | damn |
| 18:22.20 | licued | how did you find that :P |
| 18:22.22 | licued | I googled :P |
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| 18:23.20 | cahoot | licued: the people in #lad might also be of (better) help |
| 18:24.33 | karsten | cahoot: WTF is #lad about? |
| 18:24.49 | cahoot | linux audio dev? wtf |
| 18:24.50 | licued | yea was giong to ask the same :) |
| 18:24.53 | licued | hahah |
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| 18:25.19 | tarzeau | !wang |
| 18:25.20 | dpkg | i guess wang is http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2000-05-05&res=l, or http://www.bash.org/?111338 |
| 18:25.57 | karsten | cahoot: OK. Just curious. |
| 18:25.58 | cahoot | karsten: try a '/list #lad) |
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| 18:26.19 | karsten | cahoot: I /join'ed & checked topic, didn't grok it |
| 18:26.20 | liquid_ | resiak no, you joined which makes it a total of 30 excluding me since I'm not one of your kind. |
| 18:26.21 | RedEyess | Hello |
| 18:26.29 | RedEyess | Anyone familiar with wxWidgets? |
| 18:26.31 | yomon | anybody here? |
| 18:26.31 | yomon | ;) |
| 18:26.42 | yomon | I do not have Linux Debian. |
| 18:26.42 | liquid_ | yomon nope, just you and me |
| 18:26.45 | yomon | what me do? |
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| 18:26.46 | yomon | ;) |
| 18:26.51 | liquid_ | !seen anybody |
| 18:26.51 | dpkg | liquid_: i haven't seen 'anybody' |
| 18:26.56 | liquid_ | you do toilet |
| 18:27.26 | yomon | liable, thanks. |
| 18:27.27 | yomon | ;) |
| 18:27.32 | yomon | just kiddin' |
| 18:27.33 | yomon | :) |
| 18:28.01 | cds | Can anyone help, I have a clean Debian install. I can ping this machine from it, but not vice-versa - it times out? |
| 18:28.09 | Veratien | "stable (x11): Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver [contrib] " Yuck. Grammar--; |
| 18:28.25 | resiak | liquid_: ... |
| 18:28.40 | karsten | yomon: 736 of us... |
| 18:28.54 | karsten | !tell yomon about ask. |
| 18:28.58 | karsten | cds: Check your routing. |
| 18:29.03 | karsten | cds: Also firewall rules. |
| 18:29.18 | yomon | thanks, karsten. |
| 18:29.22 | cds | karsten: If it's a clean install, I won't have a firewall, will I? |
| 18:29.23 | yomon | bye guys. |
| 18:29.28 | yomon | i must be off. |
| 18:29.34 | karsten | cds: Not unless you installed one. |
| 18:29.44 | cds | karsten: What needs to be in routing? |
| 18:29.49 | karsten | cds: However it sounds as if you've got two systems. Could be one of 'em does. |
| 18:29.52 | Eclipser | I believe my soundcard should be able to play midis without any special software, hmm... |
| 18:30.07 | Eclipser | (at least aconnect lists it with -o and -i) |
| 18:30.09 | karsten | cds: The correct configuration. Of which you know substantially more than I at present. |
| 18:30.12 | karsten | !tell cds about esp |
| 18:30.37 | karsten | cds: How about you tell us something about your other system (distro / OS), and the network config. |
| 18:31.05 | cds | karsten: Well, this (fedora box) gets pinged from the debian box ok, I just can't ping the debian box from my fedora box |
| 18:31.06 | karsten | Eclipser: I *think* you need a midi player, at least. 'sox' may provide this. Not my area of expertise. |
| 18:31.22 | Eclipser | karsten, I'm trying to do some real midi stuff with rosegarden |
| 18:31.30 | cds | karsten: It's a simple switch LAN |
| 18:31.39 | karsten | cds: IPs, gateway, route? |
| 18:31.40 | Eclipser | I'm kind of a musician, so... :) |
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| 18:31.45 | karsten | cds: ... and netmask |
| 18:31.57 | karsten | Eclipser: As I said, not my area of expertise. |
| 18:32.17 | cds | karsten: 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2, and both netmasks are 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:32.34 | karsten | cds: Running services on either box? |
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| 18:33.14 | karsten | cds: ... in which case, try connecting to services. Eg: web, ssh. |
| 18:33.17 | cds | karsten: I'm running ssh on my fedora box, afaik nothing on my Debian one |
| 18:33.47 | cds | karsten: But won't ping work anyway? |
| 18:34.03 | yomon | !seen virgin |
| 18:34.03 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'virgin', yomon |
| 18:34.07 | yomon | !seen virgin_girls |
| 18:34.07 | dpkg | yomon: i haven't seen 'virgin_girls' |
| 18:34.11 | yomon | shit.. |
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| 18:34.42 | karsten | cds: Sometimes it's useful to try other things to see what does / doesn't work. |
| 18:34.44 | cds | sshd start |
| 18:34.52 | Roadrunne | Hi, what was the command to reconfig exim after install? |
| 18:35.02 | pureone | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 18:35.03 | karsten | Roadrunne: dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 18:35.07 | karsten | Roadrunne: exim or exim4? |
| 18:35.17 | Roadrunne | karsten: exim4 |
| 18:35.20 | cds | oops |
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| 18:36.01 | karsten | Roadrunne: ^^ pureone. I haven't messed much w/ exim4 yet. |
| 18:36.01 | cds | karsten: right.. can you remind me how to start sshd? :) |
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| 18:36.11 | cds | dpkg: ssh |
| 18:36.11 | dpkg | methinks ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client |
| 18:36.15 | Roadrunne | karsten: 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4' doesn't do anything |
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| 18:36.29 | resiak | Roadrunne: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config I _think_ |
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| 18:37.12 | pureone | ./etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 18:37.14 | miz | Anyone could hint a reason for apt failing md5 checksums when I do `apt-get update` after I've tried adding local repository and then removing it? |
| 18:37.20 | resiak | pureone: No dot at the start. |
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| 18:37.26 | Roadrunne | resiak: thx, that's it. |
| 18:37.26 | cds | pureone: cheers |
| 18:37.39 | karsten | Roadrunne: ^^ I haven't messed w/ it. |
| 18:38.05 | Eclipser | bah |
| 18:38.16 | karsten | cds: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 18:38.17 | pureone | i know just my irc client thinks its a command so i just add it |
| 18:38.25 | karsten | cds: No 'service start' crap in Debian ;-) |
| 18:38.29 | Eclipser | more stuff I have to do in windows then (other than playing ragnarok online) |
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| 18:38.46 | resiak | pureone: Why did you not add a space, which _wouldn't_ make the command _wrong_ ? |
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| 18:39.06 | resiak | pureone: Or use irssi as nature intended and type / /etc/init.d/ssh start ? |
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| 18:40.03 | cds | karsten: heh :) It seems it wasn't installed, so doing it now |
| 18:40.32 | pureone | :) |
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| 18:41.26 | Roadrunne | Is there any way to monitor eth1 bandwidth and if it falls below 10KB/s send an email to admin? |
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| 18:43.01 | pureone | resiak you would like it,it has some nice features :) |
| 18:43.37 | Przewdnik | Roadrunne: It is :) |
| 18:43.55 | Veratien | I've installed nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-686, nvidia-cg-tools, and nvidia-settings, yet it still does this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kAqv7D27.html |
| 18:44.08 | Veratien | Anyone know how I can fix that? |
| 18:44.10 | resiak | pureone: I see. :) |
| 18:44.11 | Roadrunne | Przewdnik: any easy way? if so, how? ;) |
| 18:45.27 | Przewdnik | Roadrunne: I don't know of easy way or if it's one. SImply, write a perl/python/bash/younameit script, which reads ifconfig output (or, better, /proc interface), count bandwidth and mail or not. And put it in crontab. |
| 18:45.29 | Veratien | I'm having Doom3 withdrawal symptoms, so if anyone can help... :p |
| 18:45.29 | cds | karsten: ok, sshd is running, still timing out |
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| 18:45.55 | cds | karsten: Could it be routing, even if it's a basic network? |
| 18:45.59 | Przewdnik | Roadrunne: Shouldn't be hard to write, I think. |
| 18:46.10 | Roadrunne | Przewdnik: sounds good ;-) |
| 18:46.46 | Przewdnik | Roadrunne: Maybe there is some ready solution, I'm not sure. |
| 18:47.49 | Roadrunne | Przewdnik: I'll ask google, but this is a good start for searching. If not I'll write my own shell script. |
| 18:48.21 | Przewdnik | Roadrunne: I don't know if writing your own script wouldn't be faster :) |
| 18:48.22 | pureone | cds if its timing out i suspect a firewall if its timing out |
| 18:48.32 | simplexe | i've had problem installin xine :i've downloaded a tar.gz and when ./configure error with the c compiler. |
| 18:49.29 | Roadrunne | Przewdnik: do you know which interface I have to read? |
| 18:49.42 | pureone | if it was routing issues it might say no route to host |
| 18:50.14 | Przewdnik | Roadrunne: eth1? |
| 18:50.28 | cds | pureone: hmm... but I thought there was no firewall by default? |
| 18:50.51 | Roadrunne | Przewdnik: there is no /proc/eth1 !? |
| 18:51.10 | Przewdnik | Roadrunne: Ah, don't remember. But let me check. |
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| 18:51.17 | ulf__ | sorry for that stupid question, i need a simple ftpclient sourcecode, where can i get a tftp source tar.gz? |
| 18:51.28 | resiak | simplexe: Why not just install the package? |
| 18:51.33 | FieldySnuts | google... |
| 18:51.38 | simplexe | how ? |
| 18:51.41 | resiak | ulf__: Is tftp in Debian? apt-get source dftp |
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| 18:51.55 | Roadrunne | Przewdnik: is it /proc/net? |
| 18:51.59 | karsten | cds: Start with the basics. Link, configuration, routing. |
| 18:52.01 | resiak | simplexe: apt-get install xine |
| 18:52.14 | karsten | cds: What's between the two boxes, physically? |
| 18:52.27 | cds | a switch.. thats all |
| 18:52.28 | karsten | cds: Switch, hub, crossover cable ... ? |
| 18:52.34 | Przewdnik | Roadrunne: Mmm, i'm calling ifconfig in my script. Not nice. |
| 18:52.51 | simplexe | resiak: E: cannot find the packadge xine |
| 18:52.52 | resiak | !tell ulf__ -about msg |
| 18:52.56 | karsten | cds: ... and/or are you using the switch's uplink port rather than a standard port? |
| 18:53.01 | Roadrunne | Przewdnik: seems to be /proc/net/dev? |
| 18:53.08 | karsten | cds: Try different ports on the switch. |
| 18:53.10 | resiak | simplexe: apt-cache search --names-only xine |
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| 18:53.26 | cds | karsten: nope.. the first two ports |
| 18:53.29 | Przewdnik | Roadrunne: Yeah. |
| 18:53.39 | karsten | cds: Move 'em one at a time. |
| 18:53.39 | cds | karsten: which have worked before |
| 18:53.50 | karsten | cds: ... and how are you installing packages on the Debian box? |
| 18:53.56 | Roadrunne | Przewdnik: thx. |
| 18:54.07 | cds | karsten: By the DVD |
| 18:54.12 | hacim | buy |
| 18:54.13 | karsten | cds: Post output (see dpkg msg) to paster w/ ifconfig and route output on both boxes. |
| 18:54.16 | karsten | cds: OK. |
| 18:54.28 | Przewdnik | Roadrunne: Well, you've got it by yourself :) |
| 18:54.36 | cds | karsten: huh? |
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| 18:54.58 | Roadrunne | Przewdnik: yes, but the key was to read sth. from /proc/ ;-) |
| 18:54.58 | karsten | cds: dpkg just /msg'd you. Read that. |
| 18:55.04 | karsten | cds: dpkg is a bot. |
| 18:55.14 | cds | karsten: he hasn't :) |
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| 18:55.23 | karsten | !tell cds about paster |
| 18:55.23 | hacim | I think dpkg is not responding |
| 18:55.28 | karsten | hacim: It is. |
| 18:55.31 | resiak | dpkg: wang |
| 18:55.31 | dpkg | methinks wang is http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2000-05-05&res=l, or http://www.bash.org/?111338 |
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| 18:55.33 | karsten | cds: Now. |
| 18:55.38 | cds | there we go |
| 18:55.47 | hacim | hmm, dpkg isn't msg'ing me |
| 18:56.10 | resiak | !tell hacim -about wang |
| 18:56.21 | resiak | simplexe: JUST INSTALL ONE OF THEM |
| 18:56.28 | resiak | simplexe: Do you need to be spoonfed? |
| 18:56.29 | hacim | yeah that works, but doesn't dpkg respond if you /msg it directly? |
| 18:56.31 | cds | karsten: Ah.. not easy to do, I can't paste debian info |
| 18:56.33 | Ronin` | well that was interesting |
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| 18:57.00 | karsten | cds: Got a floppy or USB key? |
| 18:57.02 | resiak | hacim: Only if it has a factoid by the name you give him |
| 18:57.10 | karsten | cds: Your transporting the information is *your* problem. |
| 18:57.23 | karsten | cds: Posting it eminantly facilitates resolving your issue(s). |
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| 18:57.52 | simplexe | ok resiak |
| 18:58.09 | simplexe | but how to update xine now ? |
| 18:58.15 | karsten | cds: Anyhow: Confirm your network config on the Debian box. 'ifconfig', 'route', and 'dmesg' should tell you what's configured. Without seeing it myself, you'll have to apply your own smarts. |
| 18:58.18 | needhelpjoe | hello guys |
| 18:58.24 | karsten | simplexe: aptitude install ... |
| 18:58.34 | cds | karsten: ok, give me 5 mins :) |
| 18:58.37 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hi |
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| 18:59.19 | karsten | cds: NP. |
| 18:59.22 | herman | Hello! |
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| 19:00.04 | needhelpjoe | iam new to deibian and i decidet to install it as my new op. i downloadet the netinst-cd and installed it. after that the grub boot loader begins to start, but seems to hang. so i cant boot after the installation. anyone who nows how to fix that problem? thanks for any advice... |
| 19:00.34 | karsten | needhelpjoe: What message(s) are displayed on console? |
| 19:00.44 | karsten | needhelpjoe: ... anything like "panic, unable to mount root FS" ? |
| 19:00.49 | needhelpjoe | no |
| 19:00.57 | needhelpjoe | just GRUB loading ... |
| 19:01.03 | karsten | !tell needhelpjoe about esp |
| 19:01.17 | simplexe | karsten: it updates all but xine ! |
| 19:01.33 | karsten | needhelpjoe: We can play 20 questions, or you can tell us. |
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| 19:02.03 | karsten | simplexe: What version of xine do you have installed, what version do you *want* installed? |
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| 19:02.18 | karsten | simplexe: Does the kernel start? |
| 19:02.37 | karsten | simplexe: NM. |
| 19:02.45 | karsten | needhelpjoe: Does the kernel start? |
| 19:02.48 | nomeata | what is the X.org breakage the title talks about? |
| 19:03.02 | karsten | needhelpjoe: ... do you see a GRUB menu? Provide info, dude. *YOU* are in front of your system, not us. |
| 19:03.09 | needhelpjoe | no |
| 19:03.14 | simplexe | xine 0.99 and wanna install the 1.1 |
| 19:03.16 | hacim | karsten: I think he's frozen at GRUB loading.... |
| 19:03.18 | karsten | !tell nomeata about bts |
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| 19:03.25 | karsten | hacim: Sorta hard to tell ... |
| 19:03.30 | karsten | needhelpjoe: "no" what? |
| 19:03.40 | needhelpjoe | its just the text-massage, which is being displayed befor the graphical menu from grub is going to be displayed |
| 19:03.48 | herman | My systems always crashs with the message eth0: no IPv6 routers present! Where's the problem? |
| 19:03.58 | hacim | karsten: execpt that hs said that no messages are printed, except for just "GRUB loading..." |
| 19:04.05 | karsten | needhelpjoe: Where are you / what's your native language? |
| 19:04.13 | needhelpjoe | german |
| 19:04.30 | karsten | needhelpjoe: OK. There's a #debian-de if that's easier for you. |
| 19:04.40 | needhelpjoe | oh, thanks |
| 19:04.40 | karsten | needhelpjoe: Do you see a "GRUB stage 1.5 loading"? |
| 19:04.46 | Morti | How do I make dhcpd only run on one interface? |
| 19:04.46 | needhelpjoe | yes |
| 19:04.55 | needhelpjoe | thats exactly the massage |
| 19:05.06 | karsten | needhelpjoe: Sounds like GRUB's not properly installed / configured. You can boot a rescue disk and reconfigure GRUB. |
| 19:05.07 | OBSD | what should my broadcast address be if my ip is 192.168.1.9 ? |
| 19:05.20 | resiak | Morti: Read its FM, and edit /etc/dhcpd.conf |
| 19:05.23 | karsten | OBSD: 192.168.1.255, usually, if you're class C. |
| 19:05.31 | nagual | the last adress on the subnet |
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| 19:05.42 | Morti | What's an FM? |
| 19:05.53 | OBSD | oh ok.. thanks. |
| 19:05.55 | needhelpjoe | ist there any wizard for that like grub -reconfigure or something |
| 19:05.55 | simplexe | karsten: xine 0.99 and wanna install the 1.1 |
| 19:05.59 | resiak | Morti: A fuckin' manual. |
| 19:06.07 | resiak | Morti: (Sorry, that was retarded of me. |
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| 19:06.13 | Morti | Yes... |
| 19:06.17 | TheAsp | hi root |
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| 19:06.41 | karsten | Morti: F*cking manual |
| 19:06.50 | Phated | resiak: BAAAD resiak! |
| 19:07.07 | Morti | So yeah, I read that. |
| 19:07.21 | resiak | :O |
| 19:07.22 | Morti | And I still don't know how to make dhcp do nothing on a given interface. |
| 19:07.33 | resiak | Morti: Tell it only to bind to one! |
| 19:07.35 | karsten | Phated: Want the chains too? |
| 19:07.46 | Morti | resiak: Yep. How? I don't know what to put in dhcpd.conf. |
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| 19:07.54 | resiak | Morti: I'm not at work, I don't have it installed here, I don't have its manual, but it says how. |
| 19:07.59 | J-Ph | remember me? |
| 19:08.01 | oKtosiTe | When I try to set a root password on MySQL I get the error: "error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES)'" |
| 19:08.06 | Morti | man dhcpd.conf, yeah? |
| 19:08.06 | J-Ph | vfat problem... |
| 19:08.08 | karsten | Morti: You can configure the listening interfaces. |
| 19:08.17 | J-Ph | looks like a gnome problem |
| 19:08.20 | karsten | Morti: ... so listen on eth0, but *not* eth1. It's all in TFM. |
| 19:08.25 | J-Ph | everything works fine using kde! :s |
| 19:08.29 | J-Ph | who can explain this! |
| 19:08.32 | Morti | No need for that kind of language. |
| 19:08.42 | karsten | needhelpjoe: Is there any sort of error number listed after that GRUB message? |
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| 19:08.53 | oKtosiTe | J-Ph: maybe you can refresh our memories? |
| 19:08.57 | paster | "cds" at 194.80.32.11 pasted "box config" (61 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/415 |
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| 19:09.01 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite J-Ph |
| 19:09.04 | herman | Can anyone help my with my kernel problem?! |
| 19:09.21 | goccia | J-Ph: i'll change immediatly to gnome if really really gnome fuck vfat |
| 19:09.21 | karsten | needhelpjoe: Easiest solution IMO is boot rescue disk, chroot into your install, and re-run 'grub-install', check /boot/grub/menu.list and make sure it's OK. |
| 19:09.27 | karsten | !tell herman about ask |
| 19:09.30 | cds | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/415. |
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| 19:09.45 | needhelpjoe | no, when i wait about 5 minutes, a massege is displayd "GRUB is loading ..." or something like that |
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| 19:09.57 | J-Ph | goccia ? |
| 19:10.04 | Morti | I've searched the man page for listen, I don't know what else to look for. |
| 19:10.12 | needhelpjoe | thats all, no error codes or anything else |
| 19:10.19 | goccia | J-Ph: i get excited by a vfat dead |
| 19:10.27 | karsten | cds: Nothing there. |
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| 19:10.34 | J-Ph | refreshing: some directories under my mountend vfat partition were not writable |
| 19:10.35 | karsten | cds: Wups. No period... |
| 19:10.44 | cds | karsten: yeah, sorry :) |
| 19:10.48 | J-Ph | tried trillions of parameters |
| 19:10.53 | oKtosiTe | J-Ph: you could tell us what your problem is... |
| 19:10.57 | J-Ph | now back to kde |
| 19:11.05 | J-Ph | everthing is writable.... |
| 19:11.09 | J-Ph | explain!! |
| 19:11.09 | oKtosiTe | J-Ph: never mind |
| 19:11.33 | goccia | are you using bloody point and clics icons ? |
| 19:11.48 | oKtosiTe | J-Ph: what kind of permissions does "ls -l" show? |
| 19:11.50 | J-Ph | goccia, nope |
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| 19:11.59 | herman | I am runnung sarge with kernel 2.6. The system often crashes with message "kernel: eth0: no IPv6 routers present"! |
| 19:11.59 | tech9iner | so ello me fellow 'Debianites' ;] |
| 19:12.00 | simplexe | karsten: how about my xine update ??* |
| 19:12.40 | J-Ph | dr-xr-xr-x and its writable under kde :s |
| 19:12.44 | J-Ph | weird kde |
| 19:12.47 | tech9iner | any Lexmark x4270 AIO printer users about today? ;] <stab n dark< |
| 19:13.02 | J-Ph | but it should be drwxrwxrwx like the rest of the directories |
| 19:13.06 | tech9iner | how does one grab screenshots i sarge Please |
| 19:13.06 | karsten | cds: Default GW for Debian should be 192.168.0.2 |
| 19:13.10 | tech9iner | i/in |
| 19:13.22 | karsten | cds: ... if there are just two boxes on the LAN. |
| 19:13.54 | karsten | cds: ... instead of 192.168.0.254, which I suspect doesn't exist. |
| 19:14.02 | OBSD | I'm using ipchains and watching the logs for my shh connection. I see the source conenction... but the destination keeps saying 192.168.1.255, but the ip of the machine is 192.168.1.5 any ideas? |
| 19:14.03 | J-Ph | i hate vfat |
| 19:14.15 | J-Ph | i hate m$ |
| 19:14.20 | Rawplayer | OK |
| 19:14.32 | cds | karsten: That won't affect it, will it? I don't want to NAT |
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| 19:14.43 | goccia | J-Ph: what umask are you using ? |
| 19:14.53 | tech9iner | now now J-Ph rofl.. showing kindness to one's enemies showeth wisdom.. rofl |
| 19:14.58 | cds | karsten: I can't ping Fedora -> Debian |
| 19:15.14 | karsten | cds: Yes. Debian has to get its packets back to fedora. |
| 19:15.47 | cds | karsten: ah. And my Fedora box won't start natting, will it? |
| 19:15.55 | karsten | cds: Why do you have a 169.* net on eth0 Fedora? |
| 19:16.01 | cds | karsten: (it's important it doesn't) |
| 19:16.15 | karsten | cds: Not if it's disabled. |
| 19:16.21 | deadcat | is there a way in html that make a list of names scroll up automatically? like the firefox credit list? |
| 19:16.26 | cds | karsten: thats the uni network, for the internet |
| 19:16.35 | lars^ | does anybody know which software i should use if i want to make a wireless access pointer on my machine |
| 19:16.39 | karsten | cds: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:16.42 | cds | deadcat: #html |
| 19:16.49 | karsten | cds: 0 == no NAT. 1 == NAT. |
| 19:16.51 | deadcat | cds: thats all you got? |
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| 19:16.54 | cds | karsten: in which one? |
| 19:17.09 | karsten | deadcat: Not AFAIK. Javascript. |
| 19:17.18 | cds | deadcat: ask in there |
| 19:17.29 | deadcat | karsten: what am in searching for if javascript? google that is |
| 19:17.29 | karsten | cds: Fedora. The box that's dual-homed. |
| 19:17.36 | cds | ok |
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| 19:18.00 | cds | ok, it's 1, so lets turt that off |
| 19:18.06 | karsten | !tell needhelpjoe about msg |
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| 19:18.25 | karsten | deadcat: NFC. I don't do that crap. |
| 19:18.30 | deadcat | )= |
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| 19:19.11 | cds | karsten: ok, so what do I need to do to the routing table? Just add 192.168.0.2? |
| 19:19.16 | deadcat | karsten: doing some contract web developing (= |
| 19:19.27 | YaleR | hello, has anyone gotten bootchart to work with debian? |
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| 19:19.56 | karsten | cds: Sec. |
| 19:20.10 | tech9iner | no screenshots on sarge desktop mates? |
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| 19:20.46 | karsten | cds: On Debian: route del default gw 192.168.0.254 |
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| 19:20.54 | tech9iner | bit spoiled to simple 'printScreen' button on other distros here.. |
| 19:20.58 | karsten | cds: ... then (Debian): route add default gw 192.168.0.2 |
| 19:20.59 | colde89 | isn`t it possible to start and stop raid-devices with mdadm? |
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| 19:21.07 | Gunk | im looking for a good guide to install debian.. gentoo is starting to get to me |
| 19:21.12 | Gunk | well.. the gentoo users are |
| 19:21.20 | karsten | colde89: RTFM |
| 19:21.28 | YaleR | tech9iner: how do you mean? |
| 19:21.34 | karsten | Gunk: emerge tinfoil_hat |
| 19:21.35 | YaleR | you want to take screenshots? |
| 19:21.37 | colde89 | karsten: RTFM? |
| 19:21.48 | karsten | !tell colde89 about rtfm |
| 19:21.55 | karsten | Gunk: Debian Install Guide. |
| 19:22.19 | Gunk | ok, tell me differences between gentoo and debian |
| 19:22.26 | Gunk | help me choose which distro |
| 19:22.34 | colde89 | karsten: there is no man for mdadm |
| 19:22.34 | tech9iner | YaleR ?.. i mean in me other distros i just press 'print screen' keyboard button and up pops a screenshot?.. not so on sarge? |
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| 19:22.46 | karsten | Gunk: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 19:22.56 | karsten | colde89: File a bug. Policy wants one. |
| 19:22.57 | YaleR | tech9iner: depends on your DE, sarge doesn't come with one.... |
| 19:22.58 | colde89 | karsten: have read the howto |
| 19:23.14 | tech9iner | DE? YaleR ? |
| 19:23.18 | YaleR | tech9iner: kde has ksnapshot, I personally use scrot |
| 19:23.21 | blackout | why is inetd required for /etc/init.d/networking to work? |
| 19:23.35 | karsten | tech9iner: scrot, import, GIMP... |
| 19:23.36 | tech9iner | YaleR de = desktop environs huh |
| 19:23.36 | J-Ph | nevermind me saying it worked under kde ...sigh... |
| 19:23.42 | karsten | tech9iner: You can configure hotkeys in various WMs. |
| 19:23.45 | YaleR | tech9iner: pretty much |
| 19:23.46 | colde89 | karsten: I cold create my raid0-device with: mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l 1 -n 2 /dev/hda8 /dev/hdc7. But when i stop the device with mdadm -S, i cold not restart the device with mdadm -R ( no such device). |
| 19:23.58 | J-Ph | i thought having seen everything |
| 19:24.05 | tech9iner | great.. thanks for all the input mates karsten n YaleR ;] |
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| 19:24.24 | karsten | colde89: MD == what exactly? |
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| 19:24.48 | karsten | tech9iner: NP |
| 19:24.48 | J-Ph | i'm getting bald tearing my hair out of my head: why are some directories writable and some not on one of my vfat partitions |
| 19:25.10 | colde89 | karsten: md0 |
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| 19:25.31 | karsten | J-Ph: vfat doesn't have user/group semantics. You *can* set r/w/x properties on individual files / directories. |
| 19:25.34 | cds | karsten: Thats fixed it, thanks for your help :) |
| 19:25.51 | tech9iner | so im not seeing the mscorefonts someone here advised yesterday ?.. assuming they're in some repos / source ive not added yet maybe? synaptic isnt finding it searching for fonts or ttf ? |
| 19:26.18 | YaleR | J-Ph: yeah that happens |
| 19:26.23 | J-Ph | karsten, how do you mean? *can* |
| 19:26.25 | karsten | J-Ph: You can *globally* set user/group values and umask/fmask with mount options. |
| 19:26.27 | colde89 | karsten: or what do you mean? |
| 19:26.32 | karsten | cds: Cool. |
| 19:26.38 | YaleR | J-Ph: mount with uid and gid options |
| 19:26.43 | karsten | J-Ph: chmod |
| 19:26.54 | J-Ph | YaleR, allready tried that uid=1000 and gid=1000 |
| 19:27.03 | goccia | J-Ph: file ownership i presume :) |
| 19:27.05 | YaleR | oh... then karstens method will work :) |
| 19:27.07 | J-Ph | no results or other directories were not writable |
| 19:27.23 | YaleR | J-Ph: you might want to try a umask as well ;) |
| 19:27.27 | J-Ph | it's just the mindfùck*r of the week i guess |
| 19:27.33 | J-Ph | YaleR, did it done it |
| 19:27.50 | sciron | nslookup aborts with any 'server' command, bind9.3.1-2, sarge testing branch. enter nslookup again (both are interactive modes), the query works. |
| 19:27.56 | J-Ph | fat partition on my portable harddisc works fine, on my usb stick too |
| 19:28.12 | YaleR | J-Ph: chown/grp -R * then lol, and chmod for good measure |
| 19:28.14 | J-Ph | it just my old d: drive that suddenly (worked previously) does strange things |
| 19:28.27 | J-Ph | others on this channel were not able too |
| 19:28.31 | YaleR | same thing happened to me... |
| 19:28.32 | J-Ph | i'm not a newby |
| 19:28.42 | J-Ph | though no major expert too |
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| 19:29.01 | YaleR | anyone gotten bootchart to work with debian? |
| 19:29.08 | J-Ph | YaleR, could you elaborate more on that? |
| 19:29.11 | karsten | J-Ph: http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox-tech/2004-12/msg00099.html |
| 19:29.28 | sciron | brb, I can't stand mirc |
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| 19:29.49 | karsten | J-Ph: http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox/2005-03/msg00031.html |
| 19:29.52 | ma3x | where can i get drivers for ATI radeon for my laptop? |
| 19:30.02 | ma3x | why do i get this Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 19:30.04 | ma3x | open /dev/sequencer: No such device |
| 19:30.09 | YaleR | ma3x: good luck, some don't even exist |
| 19:30.20 | karsten | ma3x: You can ignore the extensions warning. |
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| 19:30.29 | karsten | ma3x: ... though it means you lose some performance benefits. |
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| 19:30.50 | ma3x | karsten i just started ppracer, and it's terrible, can't even move the mouse |
| 19:31.01 | david__ | i need some usb flash help... I've been reading this tutorial, but i get stuck http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3529 |
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| 19:31.03 | J-Ph | it says you cant chmod fs like vfat |
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| 19:31.42 | OBSD | when I try SHH into a server on my LAN, I get the error: "unable to authenticate using any of the configured auth methods". any idea why? |
| 19:31.44 | david__ | ls -l /dev/sd* how do i know which one of those is my usb drive? |
| 19:31.47 | jim | because vfat doesn't have unix permissions |
| 19:31.52 | J-Ph | ma3x, www.ati.com |
| 19:31.58 | Phated | david__: Look at your dmesg. |
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| 19:32.14 | david__ | Phated, what is that? |
| 19:32.21 | Phated | david__: Run dmesg. |
| 19:32.37 | karsten | david__: a command. Also /var/log/dmesg |
| 19:32.39 | sciron | ok, I'll try that again: nslookup (get into interactive mode), aborts on the first 'server' query (no segfault or coredump), get back into it, it works. |
| 19:32.45 | ma3x | ATI Mobile Graphics products in notebooks |
| 19:32.50 | sciron | sarge testing, bind9.3.1-2 |
| 19:32.50 | FZ | Hi, I was happily using my CD and DVD driver in my linux 2.4, however after installing Linux Kernel 2.6.11-1-686 I can't mount or do anything with my devices (even eject doesn't work) any suggestions? |
| 19:32.56 | deadcat | gravity: i miss you (= |
| 19:33.04 | ma3x | Display drivers and multimedia applications for notebooks with ATI graphics solutions are available for download from your Notebook manufacturer. |
| 19:33.07 | ma3x | that's stupid |
| 19:33.13 | YaleR | FZ: are the modules loaded? |
| 19:33.34 | karsten | FZ: Check permissions. |
| 19:33.35 | goccia | J-Ph: try : mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/hdxxx /mnt/dos |
| 19:33.42 | david__ | Phated, USB Mass Storage device found at 2 |
| 19:33.42 | david__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.47 | FZ | YaleR, which modules? |
| 19:33.51 | karsten | deadcat: He's quite the man of the hour. |
| 19:33.56 | YaleR | FZ: you tell me |
| 19:34.04 | Phated | david__: If you looked a bit more, you'll see the device itself. |
| 19:34.08 | deadcat | karsten: need some of his help.. nownownow hehe |
| 19:34.08 | J-Ph | goccia, i tried it in fstab, but i'ill try it like you say cli-wise |
| 19:34.32 | FZ | karsten, I also tried as root user, eject complains a lot and doesn't do anything |
| 19:34.40 | Phated | david__: But try /dev/sda. |
| 19:34.48 | J-Ph | but i guess the chmod +w -R /path/mnt/point did it.... |
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| 19:34.59 | FZ | YaleR, after I installed 2.6.11 I didn't play with anything (just installed NVIDIA driver) |
| 19:35.07 | goccia | in fastab will be different somethin vfat,users,umask=000 0 0 bla bla i think |
| 19:35.21 | Phated | Why not just vfat,users,rw? |
| 19:35.23 | J-Ph | how come the chmod changed suddenly? |
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| 19:35.25 | FZ | YaleR, you mean lsmod output? |
| 19:35.28 | gobbolino | hi |
| 19:35.29 | YaleR | FZ: well figure out which modules your drives need, and check if they're loaded |
| 19:35.50 | J-Ph | my vfat is totally writable now! thanks to the chmod +x -R |
| 19:35.54 | J-Ph | but how comeit changed? |
| 19:35.55 | david__ | Phated, you wnat me to do dmesg /dev/sda? |
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| 19:35.59 | J-Ph | it worked previsously |
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| 19:36.06 | gobbolino | i have a strange problem with internet...someone can help me? |
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| 19:36.11 | FZ | YaleR, how can I figure it out? |
| 19:36.24 | goccia | better a msdos group |
| 19:36.26 | FZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.41 | nkuttler | david__: man dmesg, rather dmesg | grep foo |
| 19:36.42 | YaleR | FZ: google |
| 19:36.43 | goccia | som gid=msdos then |
| 19:36.47 | goccia | some* |
| 19:36.53 | Blissex | gobbolino: generic, vague questions dont work well... Consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 on how to ask good questions. |
| 19:37.05 | Phated | david__: No, just try /dev/sda as your usb device. It's usually it. |
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| 19:37.29 | jetx | !rw-vfat |
| 19:37.29 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
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| 19:37.42 | gobbolino | my problem is that i can't enter in www.deviantart.com but it's ok all other sites! |
| 19:38.04 | Phated | Maybe it's down. |
| 19:38.05 | J-Ph | general info: my vfat is now totally writable :D |
| 19:38.07 | J-Ph | finally |
| 19:38.08 | J-Ph | :d |
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| 19:38.20 | YaleR | J-Ph: until reboot? |
| 19:38.31 | david__ | Phated, i get this error |
| 19:38.31 | goccia | a msdos group i think is much better : dropping users in it |
| 19:38.32 | david__ | server:/home/david# mount /media/usb1 |
| 19:38.32 | david__ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, |
| 19:38.32 | david__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.32 | david__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:38.34 | J-Ph | chmod +w -R did it...:D |
| 19:38.36 | usernameDeb01 | so |
| 19:38.49 | usernameDeb01 | oops rofl |
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| 19:39.52 | BrianAnthony | hi |
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| 19:39.57 | gobbolino | i ask to you...beacause i dont have found any other solution... (sorry!) my problem is with windows 98 (sorry)... with other SO i enter in that site... is up! |
| 19:40.05 | BrianAnthony | how do I mount an NTFS drive |
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| 19:40.19 | Phated | BrianAnthony: You're not trying to write to it, are you? |
| 19:40.24 | BrianAnthony | Phated: no |
| 19:40.28 | BrianAnthony | I want to read from it |
| 19:40.35 | J-Ph | Phated, rofl!! |
| 19:40.40 | Phated | Oh, good. Use -t ntfs in your mount command, then. |
| 19:40.44 | Phated | J-Ph: Ehm, fuck off? |
| 19:40.47 | blackout | BrianAnthony, man mount will tell you what you need to know, but basically... mount -t ntfs |
| 19:40.54 | TheAsp | heh |
| 19:41.12 | BrianAnthony | Phated: what would the promary slave drive default to as far as /dev/hd?? |
| 19:41.22 | J-Ph | Phated, you were funny :) i feel so relieved my vfat is writable. I saw your remark as a good joke :) |
| 19:41.28 | Phated | BrianAnthony: /dev/hdc, I think. |
| 19:41.33 | Phated | J-Ph: It's not a fucking joke. Fuck off. |
| 19:41.47 | jetx | icewm is the best |
| 19:41.48 | shingouz | BrianAnthony: primary slave? hdb i think |
| 19:42.03 | J-Ph | Phated, ah you are fucker? then wank yourself nicely |
| 19:42.04 | jetx | hdc yes |
| 19:42.08 | gobbolino | ? |
| 19:42.10 | Phated | Oh, DUH. BrianAnthony: Sorry, shingouz is right, hdc is secondary master. |
| 19:42.15 | jetx | kill him jim |
| 19:42.38 | jim | what?? |
| 19:42.41 | Phated | J-Ph: Why don't you do, now that you can access your windows porn. |
| 19:42.47 | jim | sheesh |
| 19:42.50 | goccia | lol |
| 19:42.58 | jetx | primary slave drive hdb , secondary master hdc |
| 19:43.04 | blackout | is there an easy way to install debian with minimal services running? I reaaaally, don't want exim on my boxes, as well as a few other things... |
| 19:43.09 | deadcat | !start a fight |
| 19:43.10 | J-Ph | Phated, lol |
| 19:43.19 | J-Ph | Phated, what windows? |
| 19:43.24 | J-Ph | dont have windows |
| 19:43.29 | J-Ph | :) |
| 19:43.42 | Phated | Yet you have vfat. *snicker* |
| 19:43.45 | deadcat | J-Ph: now you are leet. you have linux |
| 19:44.01 | J-Ph | deadcat, nope |
| 19:44.06 | deadcat | J-Ph: shutup |
| 19:44.12 | nkuttler | lots of devices come with fat filesystems... |
| 19:44.21 | J-Ph | what are your problems all? |
| 19:44.27 | goccia | iomega zip |
| 19:44.30 | J-Ph | i wasnt making fun of anybody |
| 19:44.31 | shingouz | nkuttler: and most of them can be reformatted to some real fs |
| 19:44.35 | Phated | Yes, but only if you use Windows do you need to leave them on vfat. :) |
| 19:44.35 | goccia | always pr0n |
| 19:44.37 | deadcat | J-Ph: you are the problem |
| 19:44.39 | J-Ph | i guess you gulped to much yolt cola |
| 19:44.41 | nkuttler | shingouz: yeah, like your digital camera |
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| 19:45.10 | ma3x | how can i use the radeon driver provided with xfree? |
| 19:45.14 | J-Ph | Phated, that is wat you are thinking |
| 19:45.19 | shingouz | nkuttler: those can be a bit painful, true |
| 19:45.34 | Phated | J-Ph: Please, go take some English lessons and come back later. |
| 19:45.39 | deadcat | ma3x: modprobe radeon, change ati in XF86Config-4 to radeon |
| 19:45.40 | J-Ph | i used computers before your crappy MSX existed so shut up! |
| 19:45.56 | deadcat | J-Ph: what you gonna do? |
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| 19:46.01 | ma3x | hey deadcat thanks so much paL! |
| 19:46.05 | ma3x | :s |
| 19:46.07 | shingouz | *plonk* blessed silence |
| 19:46.10 | Phated | And yet... you can't read a manpage in order to make vfat read-writable? |
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| 19:46.26 | Phated | *snicker* |
| 19:46.31 | J-Ph | Phated, it was not mount the problem |
| 19:46.32 | deadcat | Phated: he uses, doesnt mean he knows what the f is going on. |
| 19:46.45 | J-Ph | narrow minded |
| 19:47.02 | deadcat | J-Ph: what you gonna do now? cry like a little bitch? |
| 19:47.10 | J-Ph | why should i cry? |
| 19:47.12 | Phated | I'll have you know I'm more open-minded than most. However, I do firmly close my mind to morons. Ignored. |
| 19:47.22 | deadcat | J-Ph: hahahah... little bitch |
| 19:47.46 | J-Ph | i feel sorry for your mothers |
| 19:47.59 | shingouz | is it sunday already? begins to sound like it |
| 19:48.06 | deadcat | J-Ph: oh. bringing mothers into the conversations now eh? |
| 19:48.12 | rbochan | shingouz: it's sunday somewhere |
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| 19:48.18 | Phated | [~@mara] date |
| 19:48.18 | Phated | Sun Jul 31 03:47:29 SGT 2005 |
| 19:48.22 | Phated | Yep. |
| 19:48.29 | jetx | shut up children |
| 19:48.30 | shingouz | rbochan: and it leaks to this place... damn |
| 19:48.34 | rbochan | heh |
| 19:48.45 | FieldySnuts | ops aren't around, don't bother telling the kids what to do |
| 19:48.49 | Anthro | !ops |
| 19:48.49 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 19:48.58 | Anthro | !ops J-Ph |
| 19:48.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: J-Ph |
| 19:49.00 | FieldySnuts | don't abuse that... |
| 19:49.03 | FieldySnuts | have fun |
| 19:49.10 | usernameDeb01 | so.. |
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| 19:49.12 | helix | er, |
| 19:49.20 | usernameDeb01 | scrot for screenshots eh? |
| 19:49.24 | FieldySnuts | you've annoyed helix, enjoy! |
| 19:49.40 | usernameDeb01 | btw debz.. |
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| 19:49.51 | Anthro | helix, FieldySnuts: Well, he's quieted down now. It may be irrelevant. |
| 19:49.55 | shingouz | usernameDeb01: scrot for screenshots, yes |
| 19:49.57 | shingouz | works well |
| 19:49.59 | usernameDeb01 | still not finding extra ms ttf fonts in synaptic? |
| 19:50.16 | ma3x | hey deadcat : still no improvement, when i launch ppracer i get Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 19:50.20 | Phated | msttcorefonts? And search for ttf*. |
| 19:50.23 | drac | !tell usernameDeb01 about msttcorefonts |
| 19:50.24 | ma3x | so what should i change in XFree config? |
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| 19:51.12 | deadcat | ma3x: heres my config file http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11/xorg.conf.pandora i have ati 7500 |
| 19:51.36 | Veratien | URGH. Is there a precompiled nvidia-kernel for 2.6.8? |
| 19:51.50 | Anthro | How significantly different from XFree86Config-4 is the xorg conf file? |
| 19:51.58 | shingouz | deadcat: you have pandoras box there? isn't that a bit scary? ;) |
| 19:52.00 | J-Ph | !ops deadcat |
| 19:52.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: deadcat |
| 19:52.02 | FieldySnuts | slightly |
| 19:52.14 | FieldySnuts | J-Ph: stop abusing !ops you arse |
| 19:52.14 | J-Ph | !ops Phated |
| 19:52.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Phated |
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| 19:52.24 | shingouz | damn |
| 19:52.35 | idnar | well, that's one way to draw the wrong kind of attention to yourself |
| 19:52.36 | Anthro | Geez, I didn't mean to bait him. |
| 19:52.50 | Cope | I'm not very familiar with exim, but my friend has a debian box with hostname etc all set up, but mail sent via exim appears as user@localhost.localdomain - how do I change this? |
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| 19:53.00 | deadcat | what the f is going on? just switch a window in screen and someone got banned? |
| 19:53.03 | goccia | really really fast |
| 19:53.10 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 19:53.18 | Anthro | Cope: What mail client do you use? Usually you can set that in the client. |
| 19:53.19 | deadcat | shingouz: hahah. thats my laptop hostname |
| 19:53.30 | shingouz | deadcat: hehe |
| 19:53.31 | green_earz | Veratien: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 19:53.35 | Cope | Anthro: /me checks |
| 19:53.39 | petemc | Cope: qualify_domain in exim |
| 19:53.43 | deadcat | shingouz: desktop is hades hahah |
| 19:53.46 | Veratien | green_earz: Thankyou. |
| 19:53.48 | shingouz | ouch |
| 19:53.50 | green_earz | np |
| 19:54.06 | shingouz | deadcat: a friend of mine has scylla and charybdis... |
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| 19:54.28 | deadcat | shingouz: those are nice names |
| 19:54.34 | shingouz | yes they are |
| 19:55.07 | Anthro | deadcat: My server is roadkill, though that's no longer appropriate. I always named my oldest, crappiest box roadkill, but since that died I'm actually running my server on a dual G4. |
| 19:55.31 | deadcat | Anthro: hahahahha. |
| 19:55.33 | Cope | Anthro: he appears to be just using 'mail' - ie nail, iirc |
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| 19:56.08 | riddlebox | what do I add to /etc/fstab so a user can mount a drive and write to it? |
| 19:56.13 | Anthro | Cope: Ah, that makes it harder. Ordinary mail isn't very smart. Could he be encouraged to switch to something a little more modern? Perhaps mutt? |
| 19:56.16 | asuffield | riddlebox: user. duh. |
| 19:56.47 | riddlebox | I have that and they cannot |
| 19:56.58 | deadcat | i cant stand the machines that name "debian, ubuntu, localhost" ... what the fuck |
| 19:57.00 | oKtosiTe | how do I "totally remove" with apt-get again? |
| 19:57.11 | Anthro | Cope: Of course, petemc handed you the answer to fixing it in exim. |
| 19:57.15 | YaleR | apt-get remove --purge |
| 19:57.15 | asuffield | riddlebox: then you did something else wrong |
| 19:57.41 | Anthro | riddlebox: They can't mount it, or they can't read/write? |
| 19:57.54 | riddlebox | they can mount it but cannot write |
| 19:58.07 | goccia | i heard it before |
| 19:58.15 | Anthro | riddlebox: What are you allowing them to mount? Is this a USB key or something? |
| 19:58.34 | riddlebox | no a spare harddrive with reiserfs on it just for backup |
| 19:58.36 | asuffield | riddlebox: if it's got a unix filesystem on it, that stores permissions, then the filesystem itself determines the permissions they get |
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| 19:58.44 | shingouz | deadcat: you have the same aversion than i |
| 19:58.48 | asuffield | there we go, it's a unix filesystem |
| 19:58.53 | Cope | Anthro: yeah, just reading about qualify_domain |
| 19:58.57 | asuffield | go and use chmod on it |
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| 19:59.10 | riddlebox | I did chmod 755 on it but they still cannot |
| 19:59.11 | Anthro | riddlebox: What asuffield said |
| 19:59.11 | deadcat | shingouz: hahah. |
| 19:59.35 | Anthro | riddlebox: Are there ACLs set? |
| 19:59.36 | asuffield | riddlebox: well yeah, since only the owner has the write bit set there.. |
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| 20:00.02 | asuffield | and the files are probably owned by root |
| 20:00.24 | Anthro | riddlebox: Ah, yes, right. Why not give them each an area to back things up to, and make sure that that area belongs to the appropriate user? Also, why not keep it mounted? |
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| 20:00.57 | riddlebox | Antrho:how do I keep it mounted? |
| 20:01.06 | asuffield | or just make the whole thing a sticky world-writable tree, like /tmp |
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| 20:02.04 | Anthro | riddlebox: Take the user option out of /etc/fstab make sure the 6th field in its fstab line is a 1. |
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| 20:02.17 | Anthro | riddlebox: That will mount it at boot. |
| 20:02.29 | asuffield | Anthro: umm. put the crack pipe down |
| 20:02.35 | Anthro | asuffield: Eh? |
| 20:02.41 | asuffield | that's the fsck field |
| 20:03.00 | Anthro | asuffield: Ah, crap, you're right. |
| 20:03.17 | goccia | user just a magic user word |
| 20:03.18 | asuffield | riddlebox: you've got plenty of other filesystems in there mounted at boot. look at the options field |
| 20:03.19 | aeg | plp look at this: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/tabletpc/educationpack/overview5.mspx |
| 20:03.28 | aeg | notice anything about the quick taskbar? |
| 20:03.37 | aeg | Microsoft are using iTunes :D |
| 20:03.44 | streuner | asufield: do you ever listen to 'Ruts D C vs. Mad Professor'? |
| 20:03.55 | Anthro | riddlebox: Sorry, just make sure either default or auto is one of the options. |
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| 20:04.08 | streuner | asuffield: ^^^ |
| 20:04.14 | asuffield | streuner: no, what are you gibbering about? |
| 20:04.16 | david__ | hello, how do i change a group for my usb device? |
| 20:04.16 | Anthro | riddlebox: Oops, that's defaults with an s. |
| 20:04.36 | streuner | asuffield: nothing, i just listen to it and its great ;-) |
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| 20:04.45 | Anthro | david__: use either group or gid in the mount options. |
| 20:04.48 | riddlebox | Anthro: thanks |
| 20:05.18 | david__ | so i should say mount /media/usb0 root or something like that? |
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| 20:05.55 | Anthro | david__: Nope. mount -o group=root /media/usb0 <mountpoint> |
| 20:05.55 | streuner | asuffield: the thing is, i thought first its Jazz, but... its Reggae ;-) |
| 20:06.07 | aeg | plp look at this: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/tabletpc/educationpack/overview5.mspx |
| 20:06.09 | aeg | Microsoft are using iTunes :D |
| 20:06.14 | aeg | in the screenshot |
| 20:06.20 | david__ | Anthro, thanks soooo much |
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| 20:07.17 | resiak | aeg: And yes! We all really do care! SO MUCH! |
| 20:07.43 | TheAsp | wow |
| 20:07.45 | asuffield | aeg: now go away |
| 20:07.45 | TheAsp | ms |
| 20:07.45 | aeg | resiak: I'm glad you care! |
| 20:07.51 | goccia | beacuse we were so pretty ohh so pretty |
| 20:09.04 | Anthro | david__: Actually, you might want to check whether group=root is right. You might only be able to do it by gid, so gid=0 |
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| 20:09.23 | david__ | ok, i don't think that is was |
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| 20:13.13 | rking | my understanding of ssh-agent is that there will be some way, when i have it working right, that i can just type a password in once per session, and it will somehow remember/resend it each time. is this correct? |
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| 20:13.16 | david__ | ah,i don't need taht mount thing after all, the problem was i mounted as root, and couldn't figure out why the user couldn't eddit :( |
| 20:13.17 | david__ | doahb |
| 20:13.23 | david__ | thanks for yoru help :DDD |
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| 20:15.56 | Veratien | "The rivafb driver conflicts with the NVIDIA driver, please reconfigure your kernel and *disable* rivafb support, then try installing the NVIDIA kernel module again." |
| 20:16.01 | Veratien | If it's not one thing, it's another! |
| 20:16.12 | rking | Veratien: moooooooodules |
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| 20:16.20 | larrikin | script to convert 2.6 style Kconfig back to Config.in ?? |
| 20:16.22 | Veratien | stock kernel. |
| 20:16.39 | rking | Veratien: hrm, then it's probably just an issue of not-loading rivafb support? |
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| 20:16.49 | Veratien | afaik, I haven't? |
| 20:17.04 | rking | Veratien: lsmod | grep riva |
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| 20:17.11 | Veratien | silch |
| 20:17.14 | Veratien | *zilch |
| 20:17.18 | rking | hrm. |
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| 20:17.29 | svuv | hello |
| 20:18.03 | rking | Veratien: does anything here help?: http://tinyurl.com/btnap |
| 20:18.14 | svuv | I'm quite new to debian. Could anyone tell me the command to use to get the latest version of xdvi ? (which hopefully should be in the unstable version of tetex-base) |
| 20:18.26 | svuv | (I'm running debian stable) |
| 20:18.36 | deadcat | svuv: packages.debian.org |
| 20:18.43 | Blissex | svuv: if you are «new to debian» avoid 'unstable'. |
| 20:18.49 | Anthro | svuv: If you are running stable, it is generally a poor idea to install packages from anywhere other than stable. |
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| 20:19.02 | svuv | but I do want the latest version of xdvi. should I install it manually in /opt then ? |
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| 20:19.21 | Blissex | svuv: yes, more likely in '/usr/local/' |
| 20:19.23 | deepz | what is the default password for debian-sys-maint in mysql |
| 20:19.26 | svuv | ok, thanks |
| 20:19.26 | resiak | !simple sid backport |
| 20:19.27 | dpkg | somebody said simple sid backport was 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 20:19.46 | jmstacey | I have a perl script it appears that's being run by user apache (according to top) but is using the whole server's resources. Is there anyway to track down where the perl script is to determine who it belongs to and who's executing it? |
| 20:20.18 | jmstacey | It doesn't show up in the server-status page of apache |
| 20:20.27 | pureone | jmstacey pstree |
| 20:20.28 | Anthro | jmstacey: You might be able to track it down by pid in /proc |
| 20:20.28 | rking | jmstacey: i'd try several things: 1) strace -p <thepid>, see if you can figure it out; 2) cd /proc/<thepid>/ and poke around |
| 20:20.42 | Morti | Anyone know if it's possible to change the location on screen of the video when using mplayer with fbdev2? |
| 20:20.45 | deepz | what is the default password for mysql in debian installation |
| 20:20.55 | pureone | deepz its blank |
| 20:21.03 | deepz | username |
| 20:21.06 | Anthro | svuv: stable, testing, and unstable all have the same version of tetex-base anyway. |
| 20:21.06 | pureone | root |
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| 20:21.20 | deepz | thks |
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| 20:21.34 | svuv | Anthro: argh. Thanks. |
| 20:21.39 | david__ | what's a good web editor? bluefish? |
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| 20:21.47 | Anthro | david__: vim |
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| 20:22.10 | Anthro | david__: I'm only kind of kidding. But I've heard good things about nvu |
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| 20:22.15 | jmstacey | rking: strace just continuosly reports select(8, [3], NULL, NULL, {0, 0}) = 0 (Timeout) Look familiar? |
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| 20:22.50 | jon86 | i haven't used Linux in about a year but when i was, i was using Gentoo. does Debian have the equivalent of RPM dependency problems? |
| 20:22.53 | rking | jmstacey: hrm.. well, find out what file-descriptor #8 is - ls /proc/<thepid>/fd/8 |
| 20:22.56 | Goran_ | 1st google images result for "gnu" is a debian image( an anymal is second) |
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| 20:23.00 | rking | jmstacey: urr., ls -l i mean |
| 20:23.19 | rking | Goran_: ha! that's what they get for making people say GNU/Linux |
| 20:23.21 | Anthro | jmstacey: Odds are good it's a network connection, though. |
| 20:23.22 | FieldySnuts | jon86: hell no |
| 20:23.38 | rking | jmstacey: kill it, that's my vote. =) |
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| 20:24.20 | Veratien | har. :) |
| 20:24.23 | Veratien | Thanks rking. :) |
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| 20:24.42 | Anthro | jmstacey: Actually, ls -l /proc/<pid>/fd is likely to show something about the location of the perl script. |
| 20:24.49 | rking | Veratien: np - hth |
| 20:25.11 | neephelpjoe | hello guys, ive just installed debian from a netinst version. after first reboot ive got problem. grub hangs after saying "GRUB Loading stage 1.5.". after about 3 minutes another masage appears: "GRUB loading, please wait...". i waited about half an hour and nothing happens. when i boot my system with a rescue system from suse 8.0, i cannot even find any files of grub. the directory /boot/grub/ does not excist. iam sort of new to i |
| 20:25.21 | rking | my understanding of ssh-agent is that there will be some way, when i have it working right, that i can just type a password in once per session, and it will somehow remember/resend it each time. is this correct? |
| 20:25.32 | Anthro | rking: Yes. |
| 20:25.47 | resiak | rking: keychain! |
| 20:26.08 | TheAsp | keychain is lame. |
| 20:26.11 | resiak | Why? |
| 20:26.24 | rking | resiak: keychain? hrmm... (btw, the way i used to do this stuff is just put things in authorized_keys, but i don't like that for a number of reasons) |
| 20:26.25 | TheAsp | resiak: because it doesnt work very well in X |
| 20:26.30 | stew | no? |
| 20:26.43 | Anthro | rking: Various people have written various scripts to make ssh-agent available across terminals, as well. KDE (and maybe GNOME) starts one as part of the session process, so it's always there. |
| 20:26.44 | resiak | TheAsp: Sure it does. |
| 20:26.47 | Veratien | har. :D |
| 20:26.51 | TheAsp | just make ssh-add <your key here> run when you log in in your desktop envrionment |
| 20:26.51 | FieldySnuts | user error, most likely |
| 20:26.51 | jon86 | FieldySnuts, i quite fancy trying a different distribution and don't want to use RH/FC so thought of Debian/Debian-based distro. |
| 20:27.09 | resiak | TheAsp: WORKSFORME |
| 20:27.20 | TheAsp | resiak: yes, but that doesn't make it less lame |
| 20:27.21 | TheAsp | :) |
| 20:27.29 | jon86 | FieldySnuts, do you think i might have any problems migrating from Gentoo? |
| 20:27.29 | FieldySnuts | jon86: give it a try, see what you think. rpm is notorious for RPM and dependancy hell. debians package management system resolves dependancies and downloads whatever you need. no having to figure it out yourself |
| 20:27.30 | svuv | what's the name of the package which contains the X lib headers ? |
| 20:27.39 | FieldySnuts | jon86: no, i use gentoo as well |
| 20:27.55 | rking | Anthro: well, ssh-agent is a child of my wdm session (and i never config'd it to be), so i figure i'm not far from having it working |
| 20:27.58 | stew | worksformetoo |
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| 20:28.12 | jon86 | FieldySnuts, ok. thanks. |
| 20:28.29 | jon86 | FieldySnuts, it's either stage 3 Gentoo install or Ubuntu/Debian? :) |
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| 20:28.46 | TheAsp | resiak: with doing it the proper way (tm), everything inherits the same agent, no chance for anything to go wrong |
| 20:28.51 | jon86 | i don't think i will ever do stage 1 Gentoo install again. took too long... :) |
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| 20:29.23 | Anthro | rking: Yep. So you have your private keys sitting in your $HOME/.ssh directory and you have their associated public keys in the authorized_keys or authorized_keys2 files on your destination host? |
| 20:29.24 | rking | i did ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_dsa ; then ssh'd to a machine twice, and it still prompted me... what input does ssh-add want? |
| 20:29.31 | resiak | TheAsp: Right. So gdm runs ssh-agent .xsession, so that all gets inherited. Then when I first open a console, I type my password. Then I'm done. |
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| 20:29.51 | TheAsp | resiak: but you have to open a console, that runs your script |
| 20:29.54 | Anthro | rking: I'm thinking you forgot to install the public key in the authorized_keys2. |
| 20:30.00 | rking | Anders: wait, if i stick the pubkey in authorized_keys it will let me log in without a password all the time... i guess i can do that, but i know some admins get nervous if i do |
| 20:30.06 | rking | s/Anders/Anthro |
| 20:30.07 | TheAsp | resiak: you could just load the key when you log in, using your session manager |
| 20:30.11 | nkuttler | resiak: um, unless you restart x |
| 20:30.12 | TheAsp | or some other method |
| 20:30.26 | resiak | nkuttler: Right. How else would I do it? |
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| 20:30.35 | Anthro | rking: You need to read up on how the private/public keys are used by ssh. |
| 20:30.46 | Anders | rking, sed: -e expression #1, char 15: unterminated `s' command |
| 20:30.55 | rking | Anthro: k, just in the man page |
| 20:30.56 | resiak | TheAsp: But I have to open a console to do ssh foo@bar |
| 20:30.59 | rking | Anders: that was vim, not sed |
| 20:31.00 | stew | i have it load the key from a usb-key and upon hotplugging the usb-key then it clears keychain upon starting or quitting x |
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| 20:31.02 | TheAsp | resiak: no you don't |
| 20:31.08 | TheAsp | gnome-terminal -e ssh foo@bar |
| 20:31.09 | stew | s/and// |
| 20:31.14 | resiak | TheAsp: The point is that I _do_. |
| 20:31.16 | TheAsp | make an icon for that |
| 20:31.23 | TheAsp | resiak: so? |
| 20:31.23 | nkuttler | resiak: google jehsom bashrc |
| 20:31.24 | resiak | TheAsp: Icon? What's one of those? |
| 20:31.42 | resiak | What the fuck?! |
| 20:32.01 | Anthro | rking: If you do not load your private key into ssh-agent, you should be asked for your private key passphrase when logging into the remote machine. Is that what happens? |
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| 20:32.21 | Anthro | rking: Or are you asked for your login password on the remote host? |
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| 20:33.20 | MoonGladeGal | what file can I edit that will allow me to override an IP, eg.... when I type in google.com it resolves to a local search page (192.168.1.6) ? |
| 20:33.26 | rking | Anthro: l/p on remote host - i definitely don't have authorized_keys on the destination host - but that's because it kind of makes me nervous the way i can get into work servers by logging into my home machine and then passwordlessly ssh'ing. i'd like it to prompt me for the work box's p/w once... but if that's not the way it works i'll probably just deal with typing it in over and over |
| 20:33.38 | rking | MoonGladeGal: /etc/hosts ? |
| 20:33.43 | neephelpjoe | hello guys, ive just installed debian from a netinst version. after first reboot ive got problem. grub hangs after saying "GRUB Loading stage 1.5.". after about 3 minutes another masage appears: "GRUB loading, please wait...". i waited about half an hour and nothing happens. when i boot my system with a rescue system from suse 8.0, i cannot even find any files of grub. the directory /boot/grub/ does not excist. iam sort of new to i |
| 20:33.48 | TheAsp | rking: ohh, it doesnt do that |
| 20:34.02 | TheAsp | rking: the password goes on your key, you set up the remote to allow you in with the key |
| 20:34.07 | FieldySnuts | crug rigwf. |
| 20:34.16 | TheAsp | rking: your key is encrypted with your password |
| 20:34.21 | Anthro | rking: That's not how it works. You cannot use ssh-agent to store your work password, and shouldn't if you could. |
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| 20:34.41 | FieldySnuts | amazing what people will try to do to subvert reasonable security defaults |
| 20:34.42 | resiak | TheAsp: On the offchance that you didn't ignore me, people like you are why I am reluctant to help out in here. You haven't offered a better way than what I do, just said that it's crap. Well, guess what: it suits me. Go to hell. |
| 20:34.47 | TheAsp | rking: for someone to break in, they'd have to have the unencrypted copy of your key |
| 20:34.58 | TheAsp | resiak: yes i have |
| 20:34.59 | TheAsp | :P |
| 20:35.02 | FieldySnuts | resiak: nice |
| 20:35.07 | resiak | FieldySnuts: \o/ |
| 20:35.12 | TheAsp | resiak: run the damn command when you log in using your session manager |
| 20:35.20 | jon86 | FieldySnuts, do you know if i can get Cool n Quiet to work under Ubuntu? |
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| 20:35.31 | FieldySnuts | jon86: no idea, this is #debian and i have never run ubuntu |
| 20:35.31 | david__ | will someone do me a favor? Try this webpage? Http://68.58.38.3 |
| 20:35.38 | FieldySnuts | no thanks |
| 20:35.38 | resiak | TheAsp: I NEVER SSH EXCEPT BY LOADING A CONSOLE FIRST! How hard is this to understand?! |
| 20:35.55 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: good for you (= |
| 20:36.02 | pingouin | david__: that ok , i see the apache index |
| 20:36.04 | TheAsp | resiak: so what? |
| 20:36.11 | deadcat | david__: no. thats goat sex porn you sick fuck |
| 20:36.12 | jon86 | FieldySnuts, np. thanks. i heard Ubuntu is Debian-based so it might be similar :. |
| 20:36.13 | david__ | pingouin, yay!! |
| 20:36.14 | jon86 | *:/ |
| 20:36.17 | jon86 | thanks anyway :) |
| 20:36.27 | TheAsp | resiak: i never said not to use keychain, it's just not needed |
| 20:36.39 | tdela | xorg still not available in debian? |
| 20:36.42 | resiak | TheAsp: You think I should just apply ssh-add when I log in? |
| 20:36.46 | pingouin | !xorg |
| 20:36.46 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 20:36.48 | deadcat | tdela: yes it is. /topic |
| 20:36.49 | TheAsp | resiak: yeah |
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| 20:37.01 | pingouin | !distro war |
| 20:37.01 | dpkg | i guess distro war is saying debian is better than knoppix, even though it obviously isnt. |
| 20:37.08 | resiak | TheAsp: keychain works for what I do. I see no reason why what you're suggesting would make my life any easier. |
| 20:37.10 | pingouin | !lart me |
| 20:37.21 | TheAsp | resiak: i wasnt suggesting it to you |
| 20:37.23 | resiak | Anyway, enough. This is a waste of our time. |
| 20:37.24 | FieldySnuts | resiak: you're being trolled |
| 20:37.25 | Mhayk | can help me about fourhead... plug 4 monitor in one cpu... ?? |
| 20:37.27 | TheAsp | no |
| 20:37.31 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 20:37.33 | TheAsp | i'm not trying to talk to him at all |
| 20:37.35 | Anthro | !wayttd resiak |
| 20:37.36 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, resiak? |
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| 20:37.36 | FieldySnuts | ~lart TheAsp |
| 20:37.38 | TheAsp | infact, i tried to ignore him once :P |
| 20:37.40 | deadcat | Mhayk: how you do that? |
| 20:37.45 | resiak | Anthro: I'm not trying to do anything! |
| 20:37.59 | Anthro | resiak: So you don't have a question you need answered? |
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| 20:38.10 | Anthro | resiak: A problem that needs solving? |
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| 20:38.15 | FieldySnuts | bugger off him already |
| 20:38.17 | hcy | why do i get so many 'Ign's and 'Err's and 'Failed to fetch's when I do apt-get update, when my sources worked just fine a month or two ago? Has something changed in the wide world of apt? |
| 20:38.19 | FieldySnuts | or that |
| 20:38.23 | pingouin | mrcoyote_: waahh un wanadoo ici ;) |
| 20:38.54 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 20:38.58 | t0urneviiiz | anyone around here using debian on a cobalt |
| 20:39.02 | megatronx | www.engrish.com lol |
| 20:39.13 | deadcat | t0urneviiiz: what cpu? |
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| 20:39.22 | t0urneviiiz | i have a raq2 |
| 20:39.22 | stew | hcy: can you hit each url in your sources.list? |
| 20:39.25 | t0urneviiiz | mips something |
| 20:39.29 | pingouin | hcy: yep, microsoft has buy Debian and close all the apt servers |
| 20:39.42 | rking | TheAsp: well, my assumption is that my home box is less secure, so if someone was to break in somehow, they'd be an easy hop to my work servers (and it would be easy to know which ones they are, because of my ~/.zsh_history). if i put my id_dsa.pub in there:.ssh/authorized_keys, it will let me in w/o a password |
| 20:39.43 | deadcat | t0urneviiiz: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/sarge.html |
| 20:39.47 | hcy | hahaha |
| 20:39.48 | t0urneviiiz | yeah i did that |
| 20:39.52 | pingouin | hcy: you have to pay now to get an apyèget update |
| 20:39.53 | hcy | stew: dunno, i'll try |
| 20:39.54 | t0urneviiiz | but my my nic is all messed up |
| 20:39.55 | deadcat | t0urneviiiz: then it will work |
| 20:39.55 | TheAsp | rking: it's easier to guess your password then decrypt your key |
| 20:40.07 | t0urneviiiz | and im trying to build a new kernel but it wont let me add the tulip drivers (for the nic) |
| 20:40.13 | deadcat | Mhayk: dont /msg me. i was just asking how you do 4 monitor to a cpu |
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| 20:40.28 | rking | TheAsp: they won't /have/ to decrypt my key if they have access to localhost:.ssh/id_dsa |
| 20:40.30 | t0urneviiiz | deadcat: it does work, but the network goes down every 5 seconds |
| 20:40.34 | deadcat | t0urneviiiz: that sounds like a mips problem |
| 20:40.45 | deadcat | t0urneviiiz: time for a new nic (= |
| 20:40.52 | TheAsp | rking: no.... if you have a passphrase on that key, its encrypted with that passphrase |
| 20:40.55 | t0urneviiiz | its an on-board nic |
| 20:40.56 | hcy | stew: http://non-us.debian.org , for instance |
| 20:40.58 | daedalus_ | t0urneviiiz: what do you mean "it won't let you add the drivers?" |
| 20:41.00 | deadcat | t0urneviiiz: i know |
| 20:41.04 | stew | rking: id_dsa IS the key |
| 20:41.05 | TheAsp | rking: ssh-agent asks you for that passphrase when you log in |
| 20:41.07 | rking | TheAsp: oh oh oh oh oh! i gotcha! finally, the revelation. |
| 20:41.10 | pingouin | !non-us |
| 20:41.10 | dpkg | non-us is probably where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
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| 20:41.12 | t0urneviiiz | and it was working before my hard drive crashed and i had to reinstall |
| 20:41.15 | stew | hcy: (/topic) |
| 20:41.19 | rking | stew: that's my point |
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| 20:41.28 | TheAsp | rking: err, ssh-add i should say |
| 20:41.29 | rking | TheAsp: ok, i've been running with a passwordless key |
| 20:41.30 | pingouin | !pingouin |
| 20:41.32 | rking | i got it now |
| 20:41.36 | jafar00 | anyone here heard of the jumpy mouse problem? |
| 20:41.41 | t0urneviiiz | deadcat: i get errors when compiling the kernel if i add support for tulip drivers |
| 20:41.50 | hcy | stew: what do you mean? |
| 20:42.01 | Mhayk | deadcat, http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/ |
| 20:42.01 | t0urneviiiz | about ioread32 and iowrite32 |
| 20:42.09 | deadcat | t0urneviiiz: you on your own man. i dont own a mips. |
| 20:42.16 | t0urneviiiz | damn :) |
| 20:42.16 | hcy | stew: http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 20:42.21 | t0urneviiiz | i got one thats working and one thats not |
| 20:42.21 | t0urneviiiz | haha |
| 20:42.22 | rking | TheAsp: but i didn't know that agent would remember my key's password... so i'll make a really tough one, and then just have to use that once a session. not bad |
| 20:42.27 | deadcat | Mhayk: no thanks. i am sick of clicking on porn/sick porn/ad links |
| 20:42.29 | hcy | stew: and http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 20:42.32 | stew | hcy: if you read the /topic you would know that ther is no more non-us |
| 20:42.38 | stew | hcy: it was eliminated |
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| 20:42.48 | TheAsp | rking: well, not too tough :) |
| 20:42.54 | hcy | stew: oh, was it replaced with something? |
| 20:42.59 | stew | hcy: /topic |
| 20:43.03 | rking | TheAsp: true. =) |
| 20:43.08 | TheAsp | rking: ssh-add has to decrypt it before it gets shoved off to ssh-agent |
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| 20:43.22 | stew | rking: you can put a password on an old key with ssh-keygen |
| 20:43.28 | lilalinux | I want to do a dist-upgrade and it tells me that it has to remove cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data and install cupsys-driver-gutenprint. Did I miss something? |
| 20:43.46 | rking | stew: thanks for saving me answering that question myself... i was going to look it up. =) |
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| 20:44.00 | stew | rking: you still have to look up how :) |
| 20:44.02 | TheAsp | rking: kerberos can do mostly the same thing, but with a much more trustworthy system |
| 20:44.20 | jafar00 | Can anyone help me stop my jumpy mouse? |
| 20:44.20 | rking | stew: yeah, but i know it's in there, so i won't get discouraged |
| 20:44.28 | TheAsp | rking: but thats 1000 times more complex |
| 20:44.44 | TheAsp | jafar00: what kind of mouse? |
| 20:44.48 | stew | TheAsp: is it really more trustworthy? |
| 20:44.58 | rking | TheAsp: if we want to have a single l/p on all of our work machines, is kerberos the recommended thing? LDAP has been mentioned |
| 20:45.10 | TheAsp | stew: from a central control kinda idea? yes |
| 20:45.28 | TheAsp | rking: you need to use kerberos with something like ldap |
| 20:45.28 | jafar00 | TheAsp: MS ps/2 mouse |
| 20:45.28 | hcy | stew: there's not enough info in the topic |
| 20:45.33 | TheAsp | rking: depends how fancy you want to get |
| 20:45.36 | rking | TheAsp: k |
| 20:45.37 | david__ | apache question,how do i replace that defualt site w/ my own? |
| 20:45.45 | jafar00 | TheAsp: Using /dev/psaux in xfree86 |
| 20:45.55 | stew | hcy: what software do you expect to be in non-us? |
| 20:45.56 | TheAsp | rking: for only a few users and not going to use the extra features of kerberos, just ldap is fine |
| 20:45.58 | jafar00 | TheAsp: gpm not installed ;) |
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| 20:46.00 | jim | it's /var/www/index.html isn't it? |
| 20:46.16 | david__ | yeah, but the default still comes up :( |
| 20:46.19 | TheAsp | jafar00: what do you meany by jumpy? |
| 20:46.25 | david__ | even if i delete apache2-default |
| 20:46.28 | hcy | stew: i dunno, should i just illiminate all those sources from the list? or can they be replaced by "us" ? |
| 20:46.28 | jim | david__: look at that file |
| 20:46.40 | david__ | jim, what file? |
| 20:46.43 | jim | it's /var/www/index.html isn't it? |
| 20:46.58 | jim | apache2 tho, I don't know much about that |
| 20:46.58 | stew | hcy: just eliminate. non-us was created because the us used to have export restrictions on crypto software, but it no longer does |
| 20:46.59 | TheAsp | rking: kerberos turns me on :P |
| 20:47.02 | david__ | jim, yes it is go to http://68.58.38.3/index.html |
| 20:47.09 | rking | TheAsp: i'll check it out |
| 20:47.14 | david__ | jim, but 68.58.38.3 takes you do apache default page |
| 20:47.21 | stew | hcy: well it still has restrictions, but debian is complying |
| 20:47.23 | david__ | jim, i can't find the conf file that has it |
| 20:47.24 | nkuttler | david__: check /etc/apache/httpd.conf, /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 20:47.24 | hcy | stew: ok thanks |
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| 20:47.32 | david__ | nkuttler, thanks |
| 20:47.33 | jim | david__: ohh, it's not configured to do indexes? |
| 20:47.39 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Come baaack. |
| 20:47.40 | hcy | stew: oh, not nice :) |
| 20:47.42 | jafar00 | TheAsp: When I move the mouse, the pointer jumps about the screen |
| 20:47.51 | jim | so / is not the same as /index.html? |
| 20:48.07 | FieldySnuts | Phated: ? |
| 20:48.08 | jim | Phated: sheepish! |
| 20:48.17 | TheAsp | jafar00: *shrug* bad mouse? wrong proto? |
| 20:48.41 | david__ | jim, guess not... |
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| 20:48.51 | jafar00 | TheAsp: Mouse was ok in Kubuntu yesterday. Switch to Debian today ;) Tried all sorts of protocols |
| 20:48.53 | david__ | nkuttler, it's not in httpd.conf |
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| 20:49.16 | jafar00 | TheAsp: Google had loads of people with gpm problems but I don't have gpm installed |
| 20:49.20 | JayParadise | jafar how much better is genuine ddebian than [k]ubuntu? |
| 20:49.21 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Blah, you know what I mean. :P |
| 20:49.25 | jim | so if you want index.html to be an index page (i.e., to be the "default file served in a directory"), you have to configure that |
| 20:49.31 | FieldySnuts | Phated: nein |
| 20:49.37 | TheAsp | jafar00: imps/2? |
| 20:49.41 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Liaaar. |
| 20:49.44 | jafar00 | JayParadise: Don't know yet. Need to get X working better ;) |
| 20:50.01 | Phated | Eeep. |
| 20:50.15 | megatronx | is it a good idea to build my sound card in the kernel or leave it as a module? (EMU101k) |
| 20:50.27 | Anthro | jafar00: Actually, I've had great success with chaining gpm and X. |
| 20:50.28 | JayParadise | k remember to crontab a reminder to tell me :-) |
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| 20:51.19 | Anthro | megatronx: There is usually no reason to compile a kernel rather than using a stock Debian kernel. If you do, you should be using make-kpkg. That said, use a module. It will make troubleshooting easier. |
| 20:51.29 | jd86 | i have an ESS ES1869 "Plug and Play AudioDrive" in my laptop, alsa seems to be setup along with the different channels unmuted. The sound doesn't work and i've done all i can think of. can someone give me a hand? |
| 20:51.43 | jeannette | How can I print to a already configured Cups printer in Mozilla Firefox? The Cups printer already works from another OS, so only the client in this case Debian needs to be configured. |
| 20:51.50 | jim | JayParadise: it may not be better or worse... but it will be different |
| 20:52.03 | jafar00 | TheAsp: Yes imps/2 doesn't work either |
| 20:52.16 | jafar00 | Anthro: But will it fix the jumpy mouse? |
| 20:52.31 | jim | maybe some things less so as time goes on, since there are some clued folks working for Canonical |
| 20:52.54 | jim | jumpy mouse? you need a jumpy cat |
| 20:53.02 | jafar00 | TheAsp: Would there be any point in trying xorg instead? |
| 20:53.04 | TheAsp | jeannette: get cups to broadcast on the server |
| 20:53.10 | stew | jafar00: xorg isn't available yet |
| 20:53.13 | TheAsp | jafar00: *shrug* |
| 20:53.20 | TheAsp | stew: its in sid |
| 20:53.22 | stew | yes |
| 20:53.29 | stew | but its not yet available to jafar00 |
| 20:53.31 | gravity | There's a backport for sarge |
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| 20:53.35 | TheAsp | heh |
| 20:53.35 | gravity | So it's available |
| 20:53.36 | deadcat | !xorg sarge |
| 20:53.36 | dpkg | xorg sarge is, like, http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 20:53.46 | TheAsp | either way |
| 20:53.48 | deadcat | gravity: welcome back. heheh |
| 20:53.58 | TheAsp | i doubt support for ps/2 mice has changed between xf4.3 and xorg |
| 20:53.58 | TheAsp | :) |
| 20:54.03 | deadcat | gravity: what did you say the problem with xorg in ppc that hangs my box when i reboot/shutdown? |
| 20:54.08 | jafar00 | stew: Thanks Stew. I'm used to Xorg on my Gentoo machines. |
| 20:54.26 | cds | Is it apt-get install php to install php? |
| 20:54.28 | jim | jafar00: but is there a difference? |
| 20:54.32 | deadcat | jafar00: you cant always get what you want. so stop bitching |
| 20:54.34 | jeannette | TheAsp: ?? I already have Cups working on the same machine but with Windows. |
| 20:54.34 | gravity | deadcat: I don't know yet. It may be a radeon driver issue |
| 20:54.40 | stew | cds: php4 ; /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:54.49 | TheAsp | jeannette: do you have the cups server broadcasting? |
| 20:54.52 | jim | but if you try some time, you just might get what you need |
| 20:54.56 | cds | stew: ah, thanks :) |
| 20:54.59 | deadcat | gravity: but you guys gonna work on it right? i am stuck on xfree man (= |
| 20:55.00 | jeannette | TheAsp: I don't think so. |
| 20:55.03 | gravity | deadcat: People have been clamoring for a bunch of driver backports, and I'm not sure which I want to do. i810 most likely. |
| 20:55.05 | TheAsp | jeannette: the client will pick up the printers automatically if you do |
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| 20:55.07 | stew | gravity: are you accepting bug reports from people running the sarge backport? |
| 20:55.10 | gravity | deadcat: I don't know. Feel free to work on it for me :-) |
| 20:55.12 | TheAsp | jeannette: or you could configure cups by hand |
| 20:55.15 | gravity | stew: Nope |
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| 20:55.27 | gravity | stew: Well, I'll look but they're a low priority |
| 20:55.29 | deadcat | gravity: i wish i know how hahah |
| 20:55.32 | jeannette | TheAsp: How many times will it broadcast over the network? |
| 20:55.33 | stew | gravity: but you are recommending it here? |
| 20:55.34 | stew | ok |
| 20:55.42 | TheAsp | jeannette: every minute or so |
| 20:55.44 | gravity | stew: Although to be honest, bug reports on stable are about as low a priority if not more so |
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| 20:55.50 | jeannette | TheAsp: I would rather not have that. |
| 20:55.55 | gravity | stew: Since there have been a lot of changes from XFree86 |
| 20:55.55 | TheAsp | jeannette: why not? |
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| 20:56.03 | stew | gotcha |
| 20:56.08 | TheAsp | jeannette: office? |
| 20:56.25 | jeannette | TheAsp: No, home, but still I would rather do it without. |
| 20:56.37 | TheAsp | jeannette: the packets are small :P |
| 20:57.07 | jeannette | TheAsp: Can't I just put the URL of the server somewhere and have it work? |
| 20:57.09 | stew | i haven't looked at the xorg buglist in a while |
| 20:57.10 | jim | you;ll never notice them even on a 10mbps net |
| 20:57.14 | TheAsp | yes |
| 20:57.14 | usernameDeb01 | so drac thanks ;].. btw for the msfonts headsup guv ;] ;] |
| 20:57.15 | stew | gravity: are you getting pounded with bugs? |
| 20:57.20 | TheAsp | jeannette: localhost:631 |
| 20:57.23 | gravity | stew: Yeah but not horribly |
| 20:57.34 | gravity | stew: I'm honestly not used to dealing with them on this scale yet though |
| 20:57.39 | jeannette | TheAsp: The server is not on localhost. |
| 20:57.43 | TheAsp | jeannette: but its much better to let your print server handle that |
| 20:57.49 | jeannette | TheAsp: I know the URL. |
| 20:57.51 | david__ | OK |
| 20:57.53 | TheAsp | jeannette: cupsd runs on both servers and clients |
| 20:57.57 | deadcat | gravity: random radeon issue? i tried using radeon, ati in xorg.conf, i tried not loading radeon and the agp* dri modules still hangs. |
| 20:58.03 | TheAsp | jeannette: cupsd has a web interface on 631 |
| 20:58.08 | david__ | http://68.58.38.3/ |
| 20:58.12 | david__ | how does she look? |
| 20:58.15 | gravity | deadcat: I really don't know. I haven't looked in to it at all. |
| 20:58.18 | stew | gravity: i have a few hours today if you know some way i could help |
| 20:58.21 | jeannette | TheAsp: Oh, I didn't know the client had to run cupsd too. |
| 20:58.23 | FieldySnuts | david__: stop spamming |
| 20:58.31 | TheAsp | jeannette: *nod* thats what listens for the broadcasts |
| 20:58.33 | gravity | stew: Dude, if you want to go through the BTS and just clean it up and out, feel free! |
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| 20:58.40 | david__ | FieldySnuts, how am i apamming? |
| 20:58.40 | TheAsp | jeannette: and sends the printing off to be done |
| 20:58.49 | gravity | stew: It needs it, although I was going to wait until the packages hit testing for more people |
| 20:58.54 | jeannette | TheAsp: So, it can not be done without cupsd? |
| 20:59.01 | jeannette | TheAsp: On the client side. |
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| 20:59.18 | TheAsp | jeannette: printing to cups requires cups, lpd, or something that can spool to ipp |
| 20:59.23 | jim | david__: it redirects me to another dir |
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| 20:59.28 | stew | gravity: i'll look to see if there would be anything that looks easy for me to cherry pick |
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| 20:59.36 | david__ | jim, where does it redirect you to? |
| 20:59.36 | TheAsp | jeannette: and the server has to be set to allow that |
| 20:59.47 | gravity | stew: That'd be a great help. Thank you! |
| 20:59.48 | jantan21 | hello all |
| 20:59.52 | david__ | howdy |
| 20:59.54 | jantan21 | can u help me ? |
| 20:59.54 | gravity | stew: Anything you have time for is really appreciated. |
| 21:00.04 | jim | http://68.58.38.3/apache2-default/ |
| 21:00.09 | TheAsp | jeannette: if you have a network printer, you dont need a central print server, but queing makes more sense when you do |
| 21:00.12 | david__ | jim, darn, thanks |
| 21:00.16 | david__ | i'll keep trying :( |
| 21:00.18 | deadcat | !tell jantan21 about ask |
| 21:00.33 | jim | jantan21: /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 21:01.08 | jantan21 | deadcat : my mouse not detect why ? |
| 21:01.27 | jim | david__: also temporarily replace your index page with a file containing literally "this is my index page" so it won't be spamming :) |
| 21:01.45 | jantan21 | mouse is serial |
| 21:01.59 | jantan21 | keyboar serial |
| 21:02.00 | david__ | jim, i figured it out, i was forgetting to reboot the server :doh:!! |
| 21:02.01 | deadcat | jantan21: no clue about serial mouse |
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| 21:02.41 | jim | maybe serial mice won't autodetect... you just have to experiment with different protocols |
| 21:02.56 | megatronx | anyone can give me a hand here. i just received this error while compiling my kernel and have no clue about it (Inconsistent kallsyms data Try setting CONFIG_KALLSYMS_EXTRA_PASS). any help will do. |
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| 21:04.05 | jeannette | TheAsp: Ok, I used kcontrol to configure it. I think it uses cupsd as the backend. Ty |
| 21:04.22 | deadcat | megatronx: why you need to compile your own kernel? |
| 21:04.30 | jantan21 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.39 | jantan21 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.50 | megatronx | because the original kernel has stuff i don't need. |
| 21:05.00 | jim | do you know what a mouse protocol is? |
| 21:05.10 | deadcat | megatronx: are they loaded? if not then dont worry. |
| 21:05.19 | megatronx | plus i'm getting the sd/mmc card reader/writer |
| 21:05.21 | shay | !tell Cyberax about root |
| 21:05.41 | shay | he got it quite fast |
| 21:05.42 | deadcat | megatronx: you pretty much on your own. |
| 21:05.51 | deadcat | shay: or too late (= |
| 21:05.55 | jafar00 | TheAsp: Thanks anyway. Fixed the mouse. Had to change the protocol manually to PS/2 because xf86config wasn't changing it! Strange. |
| 21:05.58 | shay | :P |
| 21:05.59 | jantan21 | jim : idon't know what mouse u mean |
| 21:06.04 | jim | maybe apt's ROOT HAS LANDED message should be changed to something more useful and explanitory |
| 21:06.11 | cds | Does anyone have any idea why php isn't working? It's installed.. |
| 21:06.25 | shay | deadcat, ltns (are you the same deadcat as some months ago?) |
| 21:06.32 | deadcat | cds: check the config file |
| 21:06.41 | cds | deadcat: which one? |
| 21:06.41 | deadcat | shay: yes sir i am hehe |
| 21:06.44 | david__ | how do you reboot apache? |
| 21:06.46 | deadcat | cds: apache |
| 21:06.46 | jim | jantan21: with apologies, I don't have time to go through that whole thing... google for mouse protocols |
| 21:06.55 | shay | david__, /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 21:06.57 | deadcat | david__: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 21:07.05 | shay | deadcat, what's up? |
| 21:07.07 | jim | or mouse protocols xfree86 |
| 21:07.14 | cds | deadcat: what am I looking for? |
| 21:07.22 | david__ | Shay and deadcat thanks :D |
| 21:07.28 | deadcat | shay: same. having trouble with xorg on the ppc. so stuck with xfree for now |
| 21:07.46 | shay | wich kind of trouble? |
| 21:08.00 | deadcat | shay: it hangs my box when i reboot/shutdown (= |
| 21:08.13 | david__ | woot!! will someone confirm that my webserver is up? |
| 21:08.25 | jeannette | TheAsp: I think the printer driver is incorrect, since it didn't work. (or I just need to restart cups again(but I think kcontrol already does that). |
| 21:08.26 | deadcat | david__: confirm yourself. |
| 21:08.28 | jantan21 | jim : ok, thx's |
| 21:08.36 | david__ | http://68.58.38.3/ |
| 21:08.38 | TheAsp | jafar00: don't use xf86config... |
| 21:08.42 | david__ | deadcat, i did |
| 21:08.46 | deadcat | david__: dont work |
| 21:08.48 | tarzeau | anyone up for some #trivia ? |
| 21:08.49 | kenboo | how can i compile freebsd kernel on linux? |
| 21:08.51 | shay | I had the same problem here, but only when I had the composite extensino enabled |
| 21:08.54 | david__ | deadcat, i want to make sure that it will go through router |
| 21:08.56 | tarzeau | kenboo: #gnu-kbsd |
| 21:09.00 | david__ | deadcat, what did you get? |
| 21:09.04 | shay | deadcat, commented it out and it fixed it |
| 21:09.10 | shay | david__, lynx localhost |
| 21:09.12 | deadcat | shay: it hangs x or the box? |
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| 21:09.24 | deadcat | david__: lynx the ip |
| 21:09.29 | shay | deadcat, the whole machine |
| 21:09.30 | deadcat | david__: nothing because i didnt check |
| 21:09.33 | shay | deadcat, I can't even ssh to it |
| 21:09.35 | deadcat | shay: damn. |
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| 21:10.13 | deadcat | shay: same problem then. kernel panic here. ati using kernel's radeon driver |
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| 21:10.22 | shay | but I'm on xorg now, it works fine (without the composite extentions and no GLX because of the nVidia driver issue) |
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| 21:10.42 | Vertice | can anyone give me some tips on setting up a chrooted environment for a user on debian ? |
| 21:11.05 | deadcat | shay: nvidia and xorg works fine on my x86 desktop. just the usual X hanging (xfree and xorg) |
| 21:11.14 | Vertice | i followed the gentoo directions |
| 21:11.15 | rebel_ | Vertice: give him a uml machine :P |
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| 21:11.17 | deadcat | Vertice: debootstrap |
| 21:11.27 | Vertice | debootstrap ? |
| 21:11.31 | Vertice | lesseee |
| 21:11.34 | deadcat | Vertice: apt-get it and man it |
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| 21:11.38 | rebel_ | but a more feasible approach would be to use the chroot patch for ssh |
| 21:11.53 | Vertice | `/usr/sbin/chroot /home/alex /bin/su - alex` |
| 21:11.59 | Vertice | that fails |
| 21:12.04 | gravity | deadcat: Your shutdown problem isn't with the nvidia card, is it? |
| 21:12.10 | Vertice | but lemme check debootstrap |
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| 21:12.19 | deadcat | gravity: that was an ati 7500 card |
| 21:12.24 | rebel_ | there is a better app for doign that Vertice |
| 21:12.24 | shay | Vertice, apt-cache show jailtool |
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| 21:12.28 | gravity | deadcat: Right, ok |
| 21:12.38 | Vertice | cool. checking it out |
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| 21:13.23 | Vertice | shay: not in stable, afaict |
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| 21:13.34 | deadcat | gravity: i just need xorg for MergedFB, xfree flickers the laptop lcd |
| 21:14.00 | jeannette | I can print a testpage correctly using kprinter as root, but I can not print anything as non-root user. (although, I print anonymously to the printer) |
| 21:14.00 | shay | Vertice, try makejail |
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| 21:15.11 | jeannette | never mind. |
| 21:15.44 | david__ | what is a good instant messenger? |
| 21:15.49 | shay | gaim |
| 21:16.08 | Om | telnet |
| 21:16.10 | deadcat | david__: gui or console? |
| 21:16.13 | pureone | centericq ;) |
| 21:16.18 | Om | or if you don't like the hands on approach....gaim |
| 21:16.20 | shay | WRITE! |
| 21:16.20 | deadcat | centericq rocks in console for sure (= |
| 21:16.21 | shay | hehe |
| 21:16.24 | david__ | deadcat, gui |
| 21:16.29 | amenra | Hi, I would like to know whether it is possible to "save" easily my package configuration and install the same packages on another machine? I have in mind that I saw how this has to be done, but I was not abele to anything about it using google... I also did not find it in the debian docs... |
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| 21:16.46 | pureone | gaim-encryption |
| 21:16.49 | deadcat | centericq+irssi+screen rocks |
| 21:16.50 | shay | amenra, wich application? |
| 21:17.03 | rebel_ | deadcat: even better, irssi+bitlbee+screen |
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| 21:17.06 | david__ | looks like gaim it it |
| 21:17.09 | david__ | it is raather |
| 21:17.10 | rebel_ | i have my icq/msn inside irssi :) |
| 21:17.21 | deadcat | rebel_: bitlbee need local server right? |
| 21:17.27 | shay | amenra, every application save its user configuration in a "dot" directory on your home |
| 21:17.30 | rebel_ | yeah you just setup a bitlbee server |
| 21:17.31 | amenra | deadcat: my debian configuration - i.e. all packages I have installed using apt-get install |
| 21:17.34 | rebel_ | then connect to it |
| 21:17.37 | rebel_ | it's a breeze |
| 21:17.37 | deadcat | rebel_: aim work with irssi? |
| 21:17.40 | rebel_ | yea |
| 21:17.41 | Om | Why are packages in the testing release so far behind unstable? eg firefox is version 1.0.6 in unstable but only 1.0.4 in testing? |
| 21:17.45 | PeterB | deadcat: You can use the public servers too. |
| 21:17.50 | shay | amenra, "irssi" for example, saves its configuration in /home/user/.irssi |
| 21:17.59 | deadcat | PeterB: oh. i tried bitlbee once and fucker is fucked u |
| 21:18.01 | deadcat | up |
| 21:18.25 | jeannette | Ok, it works. |
| 21:18.25 | shay | I used bitlbee when I was firewalled at work |
| 21:18.28 | deadcat | do i just apt-get install bitlbee? |
| 21:18.29 | shay | connected via CGI:IRC |
| 21:18.39 | amenra | No, sorry I think i was unclear... I would like to make a clean debian installation with the same packages as on my machine. |
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| 21:18.56 | newnoise | hi |
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| 21:19.02 | shay | amenra, dpkg -L >list, save the list |
| 21:19.03 | jeannette | Debian -> FreeBSD interoperation is luckily a lot less pain as Windows -> FreeBSD.... |
| 21:19.08 | deadcat | amenra: dpkg --get-selections > file |
| 21:19.27 | shay | amenra, sorry, dpkg -l |
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| 21:19.58 | amenra | thnks! Is there a possibility to let apt then install automaticalle the listed packages from this file? |
| 21:20.26 | shay | amenra, play with grep and sed <g> |
| 21:20.28 | zephar123 | hellow all |
| 21:20.30 | zephar123 | quick question if you dont mind |
| 21:20.30 | jeannette | amenra: Use aptitude, if I remember correctly. |
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| 21:20.34 | jeannette | amenra: yes |
| 21:20.38 | jeannette | amenra: I have done it. |
| 21:20.39 | deadcat | amenra: yes. dpkg --get-selections < file && apt-get dpkg-upgrade or something |
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| 21:20.51 | deadcat | apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 21:21.11 | zephar123 | IM D/l debian for a peg2 g4 1000 and I dont know if I should d/l the iso-cd or the jigdo-cd or what the jigdo is for that matter |
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| 21:21.16 | jeannette | There are more than one ways to do it. |
| 21:21.29 | jeannette | I would go for deadcat's solution, though. |
| 21:21.49 | amenra | deadcat: that sounds nice... thank you! we will try that one. |
| 21:22.06 | deadcat | jeannette: i decided to dpkg --get-selections | mail <email address> just incase from now on with cron (= |
| 21:22.15 | Om | And how unstable is the unstable dist? does it actually crash a lot or is that just to scare people off? |
| 21:22.24 | jeannette | dpkg: reinstall everything is dpkg --get-selections < file |
| 21:22.24 | dpkg | ...but reinstall everything is already something else... |
| 21:22.25 | fortysixand2 | Om: caveat emptor |
| 21:22.25 | TheAsp | apt-get install $(cat foo|awk '{print $1}') works kinda too :) |
| 21:22.26 | amenra | jeannette: What other possibilities would there be? (Just out of curiosity... One way should do it) |
| 21:22.28 | deadcat | Om: if you have to ask. dont use it |
| 21:22.41 | fortysixand2 | would this work: for x in `dpkg -l | cut -f3 -d" "`; do aptitude install $x; done |
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| 21:22.44 | Om | heh |
| 21:22.56 | jeannette | amenra: You could also use xargs... long story ;) |
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| 21:23.05 | deadcat | TheAsp: why use | when you can just use awk? hehe |
| 21:23.06 | TheAsp | fortysixand2: you need COLUMNS set for that :) |
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| 21:23.12 | fortysixand2 | d'oh! |
| 21:23.15 | Om | oops |
| 21:23.15 | TheAsp | deadcat: or < :) |
| 21:23.15 | jeannette | amenra: But using aptitude worked great. |
| 21:23.28 | jeannette | !reinstall everything |
| 21:23.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall everything is apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'` |
| 21:23.34 | deadcat | fortysixand2: you sure? that might get into dependencies problem and "pkg already installed" stuff |
| 21:23.50 | fortysixand2 | deadcat: I am not sure. I was just kicking around ideas |
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| 21:23.55 | TheAsp | anyway, {get,set}-selections is probably the best way to do it |
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| 21:24.07 | Om | I was just wondering...cause packages in testing seem to be kinda old ;/ |
| 21:24.10 | takatumi | !selections |
| 21:24.10 | dpkg | it has been said that ffs copy is run "dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt" on the source, copy foo.txt to the destination and run "dpkg --set-selections < foo.txt ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" on the destination. |
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| 21:24.55 | mikemike | i'v accidently overwrote the mbr with windows so it boots directly to windows everytime. is there a way I can boot back into debian and get grub fixed? |
| 21:25.06 | honschu | Is there a tool to cut avi/mpegs... ? |
| 21:25.07 | zephar123 | guys, whats jigdo? |
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| 21:25.10 | deadcat | honschu: live cd |
| 21:25.14 | Vilim | boot from knoppix and run grub |
| 21:25.15 | deadcat | Zeit|idle: man jigdo |
| 21:25.16 | takatumi | mikemike: live CD, chroot, grub-install |
| 21:25.23 | Vilim | or some sort of live cd |
| 21:25.38 | honschu | live cd? Where to find? |
| 21:25.39 | deadcat | Vilim: ya. cant advertise knoppix here. |
| 21:25.44 | deadcat | honschu: distrowatch.com |
| 21:25.44 | tech9iner | !tell usernameDeb01 about msttcorefonts |
| 21:25.52 | honschu | deadcat: Is this a Linux Live CD? |
| 21:25.57 | mikemike | Vilim. hmm. do I need to install grub from the cd or just run it? |
| 21:25.59 | deadcat | honschu: ya. slow as fuck |
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| 21:26.06 | Vilim | oh, sorry |
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| 21:26.16 | honschu | deadcat: ? Why should I want to get a Linux Live CD? |
| 21:26.25 | ReginaldoGuima | Algum Brasileira aqui? |
| 21:26.25 | deadcat | honschu: just you in a hurry. damn small linux is small. |
| 21:26.36 | deadcat | honschu: so you can fix your fucked box? |
| 21:26.40 | ReginaldoGuima | Algum Brasileira aqui? |
| 21:26.46 | takatumi | deadcat: wrong guy |
| 21:26.48 | ReginaldoGuima | Album Brasileiro? |
| 21:27.00 | Vilim | actually, takatumi's comment was far more specific than mine, you have to chroot first |
| 21:27.02 | honschu | daedcat: My fucked box? Where is the problem? |
| 21:27.05 | ReginaldoGuima | Album Brasileiro? |
| 21:27.07 | mikemike | thanks Vilim. i'll give it a try |
| 21:27.08 | ick_ | I am having major upgrade problems with the new Perl. |
| 21:27.13 | thingfish | ReginaldoGuima: estao no canal #debian-br |
| 21:27.16 | ick_ | !paste |
| 21:27.16 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 21:27.20 | deadcat | takatumi: damn. wrong guy? who was i talking too? (= |
| 21:27.22 | tech9iner | !tell thingfish about msttcorefonts |
| 21:27.56 | paster | "jeannette" at 82.161.104.46 pasted "Perl upgrade problems" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/416 |
| 21:28.02 | takatumi | deadcat: somebody with a fucked up box. :P |
| 21:28.11 | ick_ | Could anyone look at this paste page? |
| 21:28.13 | deadcat | takatumi: i am confused now.. |
| 21:28.39 | fortysixand2 | mikemike had the borked box, I think |
| 21:28.46 | ick_ | I have no clue whatsoever of how I can handle this breakage. |
| 21:28.54 | fortysixand2 | honschu wanted to do something with avis |
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| 21:29.21 | honschu | fortysixand2: yes, thx |
| 21:29.46 | honschu | fortysixand2: I do not konw why I should have a fucked box ;)) |
| 21:29.51 | jeannette | Is there some dirty slash hammer method besides apt-get -f dist-upgrade that fixes the problem? |
| 21:29.55 | fortysixand2 | but I don't know the answer to honschu's question :( |
| 21:30.16 | deadcat | jeannette: downgrade it |
| 21:30.58 | jeannette | deadcat: How can I downgrade it? |
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| 21:31.27 | honschu | deadcat: Why should I have a fucked box? |
| 21:31.35 | jeannette | deadcat: Ah, I see |
| 21:32.00 | deadcat | honschu: dude. stop asking me. i dont know |
| 21:32.04 | jeannette | deadcat: Can you recommend a version of Perl which is expected to work on amd64? |
| 21:32.06 | takatumi | heh |
| 21:32.12 | honschu | deadcat: But you said that, dude |
| 21:32.23 | deadcat | jeannette: cool. usually i just download the older .deb or check /var/cache/apt/archives and dpkg -i it |
| 21:32.27 | deadcat | honschu: shut up |
| 21:32.41 | deadcat | jeannette: sorry. no amd and now 64 here. |
| 21:32.43 | honschu | deadcat: I think it was you mistake |
| 21:32.53 | deadcat | honschu: i know. so stop buggin me |
| 21:33.07 | prock | I've been trying to figure out why one of my laptops is taking forever to query hostnames... I think it's trying to query IPV6 which times out, then it tries IPV4 and it works right away. |
| 21:33.15 | prock | is there a way to completely disable ipv6? |
| 21:33.27 | honschu | deadcat: okay, that's all I want to hear - your fault! |
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| 21:34.42 | pureone | prock i guess remove the ipv6 module |
| 21:34.45 | deadcat | honschu: kiss my black ass |
| 21:34.57 | honschu | deadcat: don't be rude |
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| 21:35.20 | deadcat | honschu: what you gonna do? cry like a little bitch? |
| 21:35.24 | SimonRaven | mine's medium brown |
| 21:35.28 | honschu | deadcat: nature black or shitty black? |
| 21:35.28 | transgress | hey does anyone know what package has the play command? |
| 21:35.33 | zurik | Hi! I have just installed a debian kernel. How can I change the keyboard map to German at the console prompt ? Thanks !! |
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| 21:35.42 | jeannette | deadcat: How do I "configure" perl-modules? |
| 21:35.50 | deadcat | honschu: pick one |
| 21:36.00 | deadcat | transgress: sox |
| 21:36.01 | honschu | deadcat: nature doesn't smell |
| 21:36.04 | transgress | deadcat: thanks |
| 21:36.06 | SimonRaven | jeannette: configure? |
| 21:36.17 | jeannette | deadcat: never mind, I already found it. |
| 21:36.26 | jeannette | SimonRaven: dpkg-reconfigure somepackage |
| 21:36.32 | deadcat | ah |
| 21:36.43 | jeannette | But it's damaged, so it doesn't work. |
| 21:37.14 | deadcat | jeannette: maybe use aptitude to remove that and the dependencies then install the older one. |
| 21:37.17 | zurik | anyone knows please how to change the keyboard map at console ? |
| 21:37.19 | SimonRaven | jeannette: install configure-debian, nice layer on top of debconf stuff, and runs dpkg-reconfigure. all in a list, easy access. it's neat |
| 21:37.41 | SimonRaven | zurik: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 21:38.09 | jeannette | SimonRaven: Sincwe the dependencies are not fullfilled, I can't install anything else now. |
| 21:38.38 | SimonRaven | jeannette: so get that fixed up first. apt-get -f install to start |
| 21:38.52 | deadcat | SimonRaven: thats just like dpkg-reconfigure <tab> |
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| 21:39.07 | jeannette | SimonRaven: That doesn't work. |
| 21:39.08 | zurik | SimonRaven : it says that dpkg-reconfigure console-data is not fully installed |
| 21:39.17 | SimonRaven | deadcat: in a shell that does that, sure ;) |
| 21:39.25 | deadcat | hahah |
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| 21:39.30 | SimonRaven | jeannette: what do you mean, doesn't work? |
| 21:39.34 | petemc | deadcat: last i checked, the bash completion for dpkg-reconfigure wasnt 100% accurate |
| 21:39.49 | SimonRaven | zurik: then fix it. dpkg --configure --pending. man dpkg |
| 21:39.56 | deadcat | petemc: ya. so i am gonna rm this new pkg i just installed. |
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| 21:40.22 | paster | "jeannette" at 82.161.104.46 pasted "SimonRaven here is the problem" (12 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/417 |
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| 21:40.39 | SimonRaven | heh, ok. |
| 21:40.41 | SimonRaven | brb |
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| 21:43.04 | ethan_ | Hi everyone, I'm adding a 2nd cdrw to my debian system. Is there a good link - howto doc for this? |
| 21:43.14 | deadcat | who makes up these quit messages anyway? |
| 21:43.26 | deadcat | ethan_: google |
| 21:43.27 | TheAsp | deadcat: you mean like "Leaving"? |
| 21:43.28 | deepan | can gnome software be run in kde.. say gftp in kde.. |
| 21:43.35 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 21:43.36 | deadcat | TheAsp: ya. and the other ones |
| 21:43.42 | deadcat | deepan: sure |
| 21:43.58 | ethan_ | deadcat! !thanks :| |
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| 21:44.28 | deadcat | ethan_: what? you asked for a link |
| 21:44.56 | jim | ethan_: is the drive in the machine? |
| 21:45.00 | ethan_ | deadcat: 1 more detailed maybe? |
| 21:45.03 | ethan_ | yes |
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| 21:45.11 | jim | is it connected? |
| 21:45.23 | RedDrake | !! |
| 21:45.23 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 21:45.26 | SimonRaven | jeannette: looking now |
| 21:45.31 | RedDrake | nighty night |
| 21:45.38 | jim | daytey day |
| 21:45.41 | deadcat | ethan_: google. search cd writer linux |
| 21:45.52 | ethan_ | dmesg lists the device, however, /proc/ide doesn't show hdd |
| 21:45.55 | SimonRaven | jeannette: do LANG=C apt-get -f install, i can't read dutch |
| 21:45.59 | deadcat | dpkg: bash can do !! as well you moron |
| 21:46.22 | jim | ethan_: what happens when you put a written data cd in there (iso9660) |
| 21:46.26 | jim | can you mount it? |
| 21:46.37 | ethan_ | no |
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| 21:46.50 | MoonGladeGal | ever since I upgraded to a 2.6 kernel... my xscreensaver hasn't worked right.... prints out "extension 'GLX' missing on display" |
| 21:46.51 | jim | when you try, what happens? |
| 21:46.56 | MoonGladeGal | any idea? |
| 21:47.00 | jeannette | SimonRaven: ok |
| 21:47.02 | jim | !any ideas |
| 21:47.02 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little vegemite, and a handful of sex-crazed goats. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 21:47.10 | SimonRaven | jeannette: thanks |
| 21:47.10 | ethan_ | invaild super block etc.. |
| 21:47.26 | jim | does the drive try to read the disk? |
| 21:47.40 | jim | (blinkey lights, whirr sound, etc) |
| 21:47.45 | ethan_ | sure |
| 21:48.03 | deadcat | ethan_: shit dont work. return it |
| 21:48.04 | jim | ok, so it -is- talking to it, yes? |
| 21:48.13 | ethan_ | yes |
| 21:48.27 | jeannette | SimonRaven: configure-debian is already the newest version. |
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| 21:48.28 | jim | and this is a known good disk that mounted in the other drive? |
| 21:48.35 | ethan_ | yes |
| 21:48.58 | jim | hmm, deadcat's guess seems could be right |
| 21:48.59 | SimonRaven | jeannette: ok, so use that to find what debconf module you want to run |
| 21:49.09 | jeannette | SimonRaven: it fails |
| 21:49.14 | jeannette | pasting again |
| 21:49.15 | deadcat | jim: my guess is always right. (= |
| 21:49.18 | SimonRaven | jeannette: the perl thing? |
| 21:49.21 | jim | ok, there's one more thing you can try |
| 21:49.23 | jeannette | SimonRaven: yes |
| 21:49.28 | jeannette | Perl lib version (v5.8.4) doesn't match executable version (v5.8.7) at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Config.pm line 32. |
| 21:49.45 | jeannette | SimonRaven: with a bunch of other source level messages. |
| 21:49.45 | jim | shut the machine down, turn it off, switch controllers on the drives, reboot |
| 21:50.09 | ethan_ | I just installed the cdrom and thats all I've never setup a 2nd cdrom... I've read abot needing to adjust lilo etc.. |
| 21:50.23 | SimonRaven | looks like it failed configuring. did you run dpkg --configure --pending, or dpkg --configure <package name> ? |
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| 21:50.32 | david__ | how do you take a screen shot? |
| 21:50.41 | deadcat | david__: scrot |
| 21:50.44 | jim | if the same drive does not work, then deadcat very likely has it right and you should return it as soon as possible |
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| 21:50.49 | david__ | thanks |
| 21:51.03 | jim | david__: take an oozi, get a screen, aim... |
| 21:51.12 | ethan_ | So after installing the drive there is no configuration needed typically? |
| 21:51.21 | usernameDeb01 | #bouyTouyzExtraordinaire |
| 21:51.29 | usernameDeb01 | woooops |
| 21:51.43 | paster | "jeannette" at 82.161.104.46 pasted "Complete story" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/418 |
| 21:51.46 | usernameDeb01 | roflmfao |
| 21:52.09 | SimonRaven | jeannette: looks like it failed configuring. did you run dpkg --configure --pending, or dpkg --configure <package name> ? |
| 21:52.18 | jeannette | no |
| 21:52.38 | jim | ethan_: if it's the same controller or same type, the driver is loaded, sees the drive; if the drive tries to do stuff, the driver is working |
| 21:52.41 | deadcat | jeannette: solution. give SimonRaven root access to your box. he logs in. screen, then you screen -x |
| 21:52.43 | SimonRaven | try that with anything that comes out of dpkg --audit |
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| 21:53.14 | paster | "jeannette" at 82.161.104.46 pasted "Complete story part 2" (22 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/419 |
| 21:53.16 | ethan_ | jim: thx deadcat too |
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| 21:53.52 | SimonRaven | jeannette: ok, you'll have to run them in a certain order. sec |
| 21:54.23 | jeannette | deadcat: Hmm, maybe if I had User Mode Linux... |
| 21:54.35 | deadcat | ? |
| 21:54.36 | SimonRaven | jeannette: try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base*.deb |
| 21:54.48 | SimonRaven | UML |
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| 21:54.55 | deadcat | !uml |
| 21:54.56 | dpkg | i heard uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
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| 21:55.18 | deadcat | dont get it |
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| 21:56.03 | paster | "jeannette" at 82.161.104.46 pasted "Complete story part 3" (13 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/420 |
| 21:57.03 | SimonRaven | jeannette: ok, /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.7-4_amd64.deb specifically |
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| 21:57.43 | jeannette | deadcat: Could you elaborate on screen -x and screen etc? |
| 21:58.16 | jim | jeannette: while he's elaborating, have the man page handy so you can see it in two ways |
| 21:58.16 | deadcat | jeannette: you let SimonRaven ssh into your box. he start screen(1), then you screen -x to attach to his screen and watch what he does. win win situation. |
| 21:58.46 | SimonRaven | no need for that |
| 21:58.59 | paster | "jeannette" at 82.161.104.46 pasted "Complete story part 4" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/421 |
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| 21:59.10 | jim | jeannette: always ALWAYS check the man page when someone shows you a command line to run |
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| 21:59.28 | jeannette | jim: Ofcourse |
| 21:59.31 | deadcat | jim: ya like deltree |
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| 22:00.18 | jim | jeannette: for example I've seen multiple instances of "rm -rf /" spoken as "well you run the Reichian Mandelbrot algorithm (rm) on / to fix it" |
| 22:00.21 | cmihai | dd if more fun :) |
| 22:00.31 | cmihai | Quite from some guy, a few days ago: |
| 22:00.37 | SimonRaven | jeannette: ok, fuck it. add --force-overwrite to that dpkg -i command for perl-base_5.8.7-4_amd64.deb |
| 22:00.39 | jeannette | giving someone root access is insecure by definition (with or without screen). (unless there's a program that enables me to authorisize commands) |
| 22:00.48 | MoonGladeGal | ever since I upgraded to a 2.6 kernel... my xscreensaver hasn't worked right.... prints out " Xlib: extension 'GLX' missing on display" any ideas? |
| 22:00.49 | cmihai | What does this "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" do, couse it's running my disk like crazy |
| 22:00.51 | Phated | sudo? :) |
| 22:00.52 | cmihai | :) |
| 22:01.13 | jeannette | SimonRaven: I already tried --force all and that didn't work either. |
| 22:01.20 | jeannette | SimonRaven: Should I still try it? |
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| 22:01.29 | SimonRaven | jeannette: --force-overwrite? |
| 22:01.46 | jim | jeannette: what you might do is try installing all the perl packages together |
| 22:01.47 | jeannette | SimonRaven: no, --force all. That's also an option of dpkg |
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| 22:01.48 | SimonRaven | --force-all isn't good. that's like last resort shit |
| 22:02.07 | jim | then maybe you don't need to force anything |
| 22:02.13 | SimonRaven | jim: i've dealt with a similar thing. it's not hard |
| 22:02.39 | SimonRaven | just gotta figure out what to do first, then all in order, then it automagically fixes itself |
| 22:02.41 | deadcat | cmihai: haha. dd would be nice. |
| 22:03.02 | jim | well it might be harmless inasmuch as she's going to replace the package with the overwritten file anyway |
| 22:03.06 | jeannette | SimonRaven: Sure I will try dpkg -i --force-overwrite perl-base_5.8.7-4_amd64.deb |
| 22:03.20 | deadcat | cmihai: i wonder if there a remote way to make a hd die(physically) (= fry the mofo |
| 22:03.23 | jeannette | SimonRaven: in the correct order. |
| 22:03.25 | SimonRaven | jim: that problem lies in that other package |
| 22:03.36 | SimonRaven | debget |
| 22:03.44 | jim | perl_5.8.7-...? |
| 22:03.54 | SimonRaven | fyi, file a bug on debget ;) |
| 22:04.05 | SimonRaven | jeannette: yup |
| 22:04.17 | jim | debget? isnt' that an old version of something like apt-get? |
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| 22:04.28 | cmihai | deadcat: well, willpower. I'm sure you can convice someone to hammer a disk with a rubber mallet :) |
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| 22:04.35 | shingouz | deadcat: you *might* be able to force the password activation on the ATA somehow with hdparm |
| 22:04.40 | ale___ | how do i reconfigure my monitor on a debian? |
| 22:04.42 | FieldySnuts | ~poop |
| 22:04.43 | apt | ACTION fertilizes the channel |
| 22:04.45 | astronut | ok, i don't know what changed, but my box USED to bring up eth0 with no address...i can't seem to do that anymore |
| 22:04.46 | deadcat | cmihai: haha. thats not easy to do. |
| 22:04.49 | jeannette | SimonRaven: ok, I got a warning, but it worked. |
| 22:04.58 | cmihai | deadcat: you overestimate people ;) |
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| 22:05.04 | deadcat | shingouz: hehe. somes nice |
| 22:05.07 | astronut | i want tried iface eth0 inet manual in /etc/network/interfaces, but it won't come up |
| 22:05.11 | deadcat | cmihai: (= |
| 22:05.13 | astronut | i have to manually say ifconfig eth0 up |
| 22:05.13 | shingouz | cmihai: and you trust that they have a brain |
| 22:05.34 | jim | hmm, smart people club in here, huh? |
| 22:05.41 | deadcat | karsten_: you moved already yet? |
| 22:05.45 | SimonRaven | jeannette: cool. :), now that's what we expect to see. i bet it said something like 'trying to overwrite foo file in package bar' 'going ahead anyway, since --force enabled' or such |
| 22:05.52 | shingouz | jim: no. just bored |
| 22:06.01 | deadcat | jim: ya. you have your members only jacket yet? |
| 22:06.14 | SimonRaven | astronut: auto eth0 is there? |
| 22:06.14 | cmihai | deadcat: I've seen a guy bore 4 big holes in his motherboard to secure the cooler. Nothing surprises me anymore. |
| 22:06.16 | salecar | du anybody know how to install an ml-1520 samsung printer on linux? |
| 22:06.19 | astronut | SimonRaven: yes |
| 22:06.29 | jeannette | SimonRaven: Ok, I got some minor problems with python, but apt-get -f install solved that. So, now it's happily upgrading 800MB. :D |
| 22:06.30 | astronut | and ifup eth0 just says it's configured, even though it isn't |
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| 22:06.36 | astronut | it used to work, but something vanished...it annoys me |
| 22:06.38 | SimonRaven | jeannette: w00t |
| 22:06.46 | shingouz | !beer jeannette |
| 22:06.47 | jim | salecar: just bought it? |
| 22:06.48 | jeannette | SimonRaven: Well, you did actually. |
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| 22:06.54 | shingouz | !beer SimonRaven |
| 22:06.55 | salecar | yes |
| 22:06.56 | deadcat | SimonRaven: you the man |
| 22:06.57 | SimonRaven | good. another happy camper |
| 22:07.00 | jeannette | !beer SimonRaven |
| 22:07.07 | ale___ | I use debian. Today my screen cought fire. I replaced it with an older screen. X wouldnt work, but i touched /etc/X11/XF86config-4 and by lowering the resolution i am now able to use X. However, i want to reconfigure my system to get the drivers for this screen im using now |
| 22:07.15 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 22:07.20 | salecar | i dont know what to do..i get an error on a test print page |
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| 22:07.37 | deadcat | SimonRaven: i would have told jeannette to burn the machine 10mins ago |
| 22:07.41 | jim | salecar: then you have a chance to return it... determine first if it' |
| 22:07.42 | SimonRaven | ale___: you don't need drivers for a monitor. for a video device, yes |
| 22:07.45 | jim | s compatible |
| 22:07.57 | karsten_ | OT Anyone have recommendations for locating WiFi hotspots when travelling, specifically RV parks in the US. |
| 22:08.13 | shingouz | karsten_: kismet of course |
| 22:08.15 | ale___ | SimonRaven but my screen can go 800x600x24... however with X it cant go beyond 640x480 |
| 22:08.15 | daniel^_ | hey I am using debian sid, I was making my kernel and a module fglrx that is un /usr/src/modules when I was compiling the custom kernel failed to compile |
| 22:08.21 | karsten_ | shingouz: Do Tell. |
| 22:08.25 | jim | salecar: and in the future, ALWAYS CHECK THE COMPATIBILITY LIST !!BEFORE!! buying new hardware. |
| 22:08.26 | ale___ | so im thinking i need to change something |
| 22:08.33 | deadcat | karsten_: kismet? finally decided to get some free dsl eh? |
| 22:08.34 | shingouz | karsten_: www.kismetwireless.net |
| 22:08.49 | salecar | its compatible with it |
| 22:08.58 | shingouz | karsten_: of course there is a channel named #kismet too |
| 22:09.01 | daniel^_ | How can I custom compile a module only for my custom kernel ? |
| 22:09.02 | jim | ok, good... |
| 22:09.06 | SimonRaven | ale___: i'm not asure as to what you're asking |
| 22:09.08 | deadcat | karsten_: what card you have? |
| 22:09.11 | SimonRaven | sure* |
| 22:09.13 | Durin | ale___: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:09.18 | jim | daniel^_: so you have the source laying around? |
| 22:09.26 | deadcat | daniel^_: download the source, compile |
| 22:09.34 | ale___ | Durin i tried that, but it doesnt ask anything about the monitor |
| 22:09.42 | ale___ | just keyboard and mouse stuff |
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| 22:09.46 | jim | deadcat: "custom" has a certain ring to it, no? :) |
| 22:09.47 | shingouz | karsten_: if your card needs ndiswrapper you have to get another card. basically all other pcmcia cards work now |
| 22:09.52 | astronut | i don't want dhcp because then it actually gets an address, and firewall hates it..it's just for communication with dsl modem |
| 22:10.00 | deadcat | jim: no. |
| 22:10.01 | salecar | now..it has a source for ml 1510 and 1540 but it does not work with it |
| 22:10.05 | SimonRaven | ale___: dpkg-reconfigure -plow |
| 22:10.13 | jim | deadcat: how can he have a custom kernel? |
| 22:10.22 | jim | what is the process? |
| 22:10.26 | jeannette | How can I detach a screen with a lot of stuff writing to stdout? ^-A d doesn't work somehow. |
| 22:10.29 | daniel^_ | jim, yeah I alway do make-kpkg --append-to-version = ... kernel_image modules |
| 22:10.30 | deadcat | jim: make-kpkg ? |
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| 22:10.41 | daniel^_ | And had never failed to do any modules |
| 22:10.44 | wliad | Hi all! |
| 22:10.46 | SimonRaven | jeannette: ^a^d ? |
| 22:10.46 | jim | and make-kpkg requires he be CDed into... |
| 22:10.47 | deadcat | daniel^_: what driver you working on? |
| 22:10.52 | daniel^_ | This time one of the modules failed during compilation |
| 22:11.02 | Gokee2 | Hey all, I have a very broken debian system. It won`t even boot up any more. It says filesystem has fatal corruptions running with --rebuild-tree is required. I think this means fsck? I tried fsck --rebuild-tree and all it gave me was the options for starting fsck? What did I do wrong? |
| 22:11.07 | wliad | I have a DC30 Pinacle Video capturing card |
| 22:11.11 | deadcat | daniel^_: same gcc version |
| 22:11.17 | wliad | I can't get it to work |
| 22:11.22 | SimonRaven | i had to think about that one, i'm doing it all the times |
| 22:11.22 | daniel^_ | deadcat, fglrx module on a custom 2.6.11 |
| 22:11.36 | wliad | Google shows a driver was pre-alpha released for kernel 2.0.x, |
| 22:11.37 | deadcat | !ati |
| 22:11.37 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:11.38 | jim | deadcat: point being... if it's custom, that kinda implies he has the source already :) |
| 22:11.40 | wliad | any ideas? |
| 22:11.42 | karsten_ | deadcat: I'm actually asking this on behalf of a user on my ISP, likely 'doze. I was looking for a registry or directory, but I'll mention kismet. |
| 22:11.43 | daniel^_ | deadcat, I dont recall updating gcc but I cant be 100 % sure |
| 22:11.46 | jim | !any ideas |
| 22:11.46 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little WD-40, and 42 sex-crazed weasels. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 22:12.06 | deadcat | jim: he wants to compile the driver not the kernel again. |
| 22:12.17 | daniel^_ | THe sources are of course in /usr/src/modules |
| 22:12.24 | daniel^_ | make-kpkg builds them |
| 22:12.27 | deadcat | karsten: windows uses netstumbler. not as good as kismet |
| 22:12.39 | jim | daniel: the module source is debianized? |
| 22:12.40 | deadcat | daniel^_: gcc -v |
| 22:12.41 | daniel^_ | THe kernel and all other modules build correctly |
| 22:12.48 | daniel^_ | the custom fglrx failed on compile time |
| 22:12.53 | jim | how so? |
| 22:12.57 | shingouz | karsten: if he uses doze, netstumbler |
| 22:12.59 | ale___ | the -plow option made no difference |
| 22:13.01 | Gokee2 | Can anyone help me with my problem? |
| 22:13.02 | daniel^_ | gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-7) |
| 22:13.16 | jim | daniel^_: why did it fail? |
| 22:13.20 | daniel^_ | jim no idea, left it all night compiling it, came back and said fgrlx module failed |
| 22:13.34 | deadcat | karsten: you should invest in a wireless adaptor and stop using modem. i bet your neighbors have dsl... free |
| 22:13.38 | shingouz | Gokee2: sounds to me like you have a dead drive there |
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| 22:13.50 | SimonRaven | Gokee2: use the right fsck for the fs you're trying to rescue |
| 22:13.51 | deadcat | daniel^_: maybe follow the steps. |
| 22:13.52 | jeannette | SimonRaven: both should work according to the help page. |
| 22:14.02 | jim | look in /usr/src/modules/fglrx* and see if there is a dir called debian in there? |
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| 22:14.21 | SimonRaven | jeannette: yeh. supposedly =) |
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| 22:14.50 | daniel^_ | jim, of course |
| 22:15.04 | daniel^_ | I build a debian source package of it |
| 22:15.10 | jim | ok, try this |
| 22:15.11 | deadcat | daniel^_: m-a build fglrx or fglrx-source dont work eh? |
| 22:15.15 | daniel^_ | when I first started building custom kernels |
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| 22:15.41 | jim | make a dir called /usr/src/modules-sidelined/ |
| 22:15.52 | daniel^_ | deadcat, what ? i already told you i was doing make-kpgk modules kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 22:15.59 | Gokee2 | SimonRaven, fsck.reiserfs --rebuild-tree does not work.. just gives me the options page... Am I still doing something wrong? |
| 22:16.06 | deadcat | daniel^_: you did? |
| 22:16.06 | daniel^_ | jim, ok |
| 22:16.16 | jim | and put all modules except fglrx in there (use mv so then it -won't- be in /usr/src/modules) |
| 22:16.28 | SimonRaven | Gokee2: i don't know. read the man page for it |
| 22:16.31 | daniel^_ | done |
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| 22:16.35 | outlaw84 | in /proc there are several subdirectories that have numbers as their name does these directories show what pid is using what resorce or what are these directories? |
| 22:16.55 | Gokee2 | SimonRaven, ok |
| 22:16.59 | SimonRaven | yes they're process ids |
| 22:17.16 | jim | then try again, using make-kpkg modules_image > buildlog.txt 2>&1 |
| 22:17.26 | jim | you should get no output at all |
| 22:17.53 | jim | but the output that would have been produced (from stdout and stderr) will be in buildlog.txt |
| 22:17.56 | daniel^_ | jim, but my question is when I did kernel_image modules it custom compiled the modules for the kernel_image right ? |
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| 22:18.15 | daniel^_ | Know if I only do modules it will not do it custom ? |
| 22:18.19 | daniel^_ | or does it ? |
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| 22:18.34 | karsten | deadcat: Thanks. |
| 22:18.41 | karsten | deadcat: They don't have WiFi. |
| 22:18.47 | karsten | deadcat: Besides, I'm moving soon. |
| 22:18.54 | jim | if you do kernel_image modules_image it will rebuild kernel and modules in /usr/src/modules |
| 22:18.57 | deadcat | karsten: bullshit. everyone does... you havent moved yet? |
| 22:19.00 | jeannette | SimonRaven: Did you respond? I had some minor irssi/screen issues. |
| 22:19.01 | balony | How can I get nssswitch.conf to auth from what I have defined as pam.d/common-auth ? Defining pam doesnt work. |
| 22:19.20 | jim | but if you do only modules_image, it will only do the modules |
| 22:19.34 | jim | what dir are you in when you run make-kpkg? |
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| 22:19.42 | daniel^_ | jim, yeah I know but will they be custom for the kernel ? |
| 22:19.46 | jim | yes |
| 22:19.49 | jim | what dir are you in when you run make-kpkg? |
| 22:19.51 | SimonRaven | jeannette: no |
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| 22:19.57 | daniel^_ | ok thanks :)) |
| 22:20.07 | daniel^_ | in /usr/src/kernel.......blah |
| 22:20.19 | jim | ok, that's the right place |
| 22:20.28 | deadcat | daniel^_: /usr/src/linux |
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| 22:20.30 | SimonRaven | jeannette: i only said 'yeh. supposedly =)' |
| 22:20.39 | jeannette | SimonRaven: ok |
| 22:20.42 | deadcat | daniel^_: dont you read the fucking manuals? |
| 22:20.59 | daniel^_ | /usr/src/linux |
| 22:21.03 | daniel^_ | I dont have that // |
| 22:21.07 | jeannette | SimonRaven: Some packages couldn't be authenticated. I never had that before. Is some debian server hacked? |
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| 22:21.16 | daniel^_ | what manual ? |
| 22:21.19 | FieldySnuts | klecker? |
| 22:21.20 | FieldySnuts | wrong window brb |
| 22:21.23 | jim | deadcat: even the kernel source trees from kernel.org don't uncompress the sources there |
| 22:21.40 | deadcat | jim: thats why you sym link |
| 22:21.41 | SimonRaven | jeannette: no, just the app whining about the weird non-updates to the Release.gpg files |
| 22:21.52 | shingouz | deadcat: these days it is kernel-source-<version> |
| 22:21.55 | jim | contrary to what deadcat is saying, your kernel source can be -anywhere-. |
| 22:22.02 | jeannette | SimonRaven: And why aren't they updated? |
| 22:22.03 | FieldySnuts | i like to keep mine in /proc |
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| 22:22.07 | FieldySnuts | or maybe not |
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| 22:22.10 | jim | as long as there is space to do the compile |
| 22:22.19 | deadcat | shingouz: ya. but i mean ln -s to linux/ |
| 22:22.42 | shingouz | deadcat: i think i saw a mention somewhere that the symlink is deprecated |
| 22:22.44 | jim | you can certainly do that |
| 22:22.52 | FieldySnuts | it may be, but it won't hurt |
| 22:22.53 | jim | and it won't hurt anything |
| 22:22.56 | shingouz | true |
| 22:22.59 | deadcat | shingouz: ah. well i dont read changelogs and shits (= |
| 22:23.05 | SimonRaven | jeannette: they are, just that newsamosa and newraff were down for a while, due to the colocation issues. so they got shuffled around until they found a place for them |
| 22:23.09 | jim | but also, it won't hurt anything if you don't do that |
| 22:23.12 | shingouz | deadcat: don't you read the manuals :p |
| 22:23.26 | deadcat | shingouz: not even when shits fuck up (= |
| 22:23.34 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 22:23.43 | SimonRaven | no, he comes here and asks us to fix it for him ;) |
| 22:23.52 | shingouz | i have noticed |
| 22:23.55 | daniel^_ | jim failed again |
| 22:23.56 | jim | just so you know, the changelogs are what debian developers use to communicate to release mgr |
| 22:23.57 | deadcat | exactly. and bitch like a little girl |
| 22:23.58 | tech9iner | so me fellow 'Debianites' ;] |
| 22:23.59 | jeannette | SimonRaven: You are a DD? |
| 22:24.07 | SimonRaven | jeannette: no |
| 22:24.11 | FieldySnuts | ~insult trolls |
| 22:24.16 | jim | daniel^_: but you have the log now, yes? |
| 22:24.24 | daniel^_ | jim, Ill paste the output wait |
| 22:24.24 | tech9iner | just loaded up via synaptic msfonts.. now asked by deb config which to choose? |
| 22:24.27 | t0urneviiiz | hey i'd like to cross-compile a kernel for mips on my x86, could anyone point me to the right place to find some info about this |
| 22:24.29 | tech9iner | freetype ? |
| 22:24.31 | tech9iner | or xtt |
| 22:24.33 | t0urneviiiz | thanks |
| 22:24.38 | tech9iner | to handle msfonts? |
| 22:24.41 | tech9iner | best Please |
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| 22:24.56 | jeannette | SimonRaven: well, you certainly know your details. |
| 22:24.57 | jim | daniel^_: remember when I asked you why your compile failed? |
| 22:25.18 | daniel^_ | yeah :) |
| 22:25.36 | SimonRaven | jeannette: findable at debian-devel-announce list, if you want the gory details |
| 22:25.42 | jim | jeannette: that's because he's practicing for the game show "know your details"! |
| 22:25.53 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: Most likely: change some make arguments + consult gcc/compiler manual. |
| 22:25.55 | SimonRaven | bah-dum-tsh |
| 22:26.02 | jim | daniel^_: the answer to the "why" question is in that log :) |
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| 22:26.16 | daniel^_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/tU5ysC90.html |
| 22:26.24 | daniel^_ | jim > http://rafb.net/paste/results/tU5ysC90.html |
| 22:27.04 | SimonRaven | tech9iner: read the text in front of you. it tells you what they are, and what they do, so pick according to what you like |
| 22:27.04 | jim | ok, are you sure this module is meant to work with 2.6.11? |
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| 22:27.14 | t0urneviiiz | hmmm im a bit lost there! :) I'm kinda new to this cross-platform thing ... i know how to make menuconfig and dpkg but cross compiling is beyond me |
| 22:27.37 | daniel^_ | jim it worked with 2.6.10 |
| 22:27.42 | jim | ahh |
| 22:27.44 | daniel^_ | 2.6.8 etx |
| 22:27.48 | tech9iner | SimonRaven thanks .. eh.. i think rofl.. |
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| 22:27.50 | SimonRaven | you use the corss-compiler for the job |
| 22:27.50 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: A compiler has flags like any other program. |
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| 22:27.59 | jim | so: something must have changed in 2.6.11 |
| 22:28.08 | jim | (specifically that struct member) |
| 22:28.17 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: Those flags are described in the manual. (and if they are not, you should file a bugreport) |
| 22:28.18 | daniel^_ | yeah what can I do ? |
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| 22:28.27 | daniel^_ | try getting new sources ? |
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| 22:28.31 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: For gcc the official documentation are the info pages. |
| 22:28.35 | daniel^_ | leave things the way they are ? |
| 22:28.46 | jeannette | er \s\are\is |
| 22:29.04 | jim | see if you can get in touch with the people/person that maintain that module |
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| 22:29.19 | jim | actually that's close to last resort... |
| 22:29.31 | Warp4 | good afternoon all |
| 22:29.40 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: But if you google for it, it might help you to find the good switches, although I prefer a good manual. |
| 22:29.41 | daniel^_ | jim ok thanks :) |
| 22:29.45 | jim | daniel^_: if we leave things the way they are, then: |
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| 22:29.47 | daniel^_ | ill try getting lates source actually |
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| 22:29.53 | daniel^_ | then flame developers |
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| 22:30.18 | jim | daniel^_: the question becomes, why go to 2.6.11? |
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| 22:30.32 | t0urneviiiz | jeannette: i guess i'll google some more, because it seems tricky to build a kernel for cobalts |
| 22:31.01 | david__ | how would i play a .wmv? |
| 22:31.08 | daniel^_ | jim, I just needed kernel_headers, and so I decided compiling a new kernel and what better that the latest in the branch |
| 22:31.17 | balony | david__: windows :) |
| 22:31.37 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: It should be just as easy as for x86. If it's not, I don't think you will be able to solve it. |
| 22:31.41 | balony | david__: or I think you have to convert it.. cant remember how |
| 22:31.43 | david__ | balony, is there no way to do it? |
| 22:31.49 | david__ | balony, damn :( |
| 22:31.58 | david__ | thanks though :D |
| 22:31.59 | daniel^_ | jim I am a compulsive for bleeding edge and making things work |
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| 22:32.25 | jeannette | david__: mplayer plus illegal(if you don't own Windows) win32 codecs. |
| 22:32.26 | user___ | what can be used ot recover data from ext3 fs? |
| 22:32.31 | Kvant | david__, mplayer plays .wmv:s |
| 22:32.33 | jim | daniel^_: oic... so 2.6.11 is presently a curiousity? you might want to leave things as they are and reboot into 2.6.10 |
| 22:32.45 | shingouz | !tell david__ about marillat |
| 22:32.48 | t0urneviiiz | jeannette: the issue is time, it takes over 3h to build a kernel on my raq2 |
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| 22:32.53 | jim | if you -really- want to make it work,,, you could try porting the driver yourself :) |
| 22:32.58 | t0urneviiiz | on my p3 850 i guess it'll be faster :) |
| 22:33.07 | daniel^_ | jim, I'll patch fglrx :) thats nicer :) |
| 22:33.09 | user___ | hey guys, what tools can do data recovery on ext3? |
| 22:33.09 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: hmm, good luck then :P |
| 22:33.09 | t0urneviiiz | and i need this box up and running asap |
| 22:33.17 | daniel^_ | jim, yes Ill do that :) |
| 22:33.21 | david__ | thanks shingouz |
| 22:33.25 | shingouz | np |
| 22:33.26 | jim | daniel^_: what vid card you got? |
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| 22:33.44 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: I have no real world experience with cross-compilation, but in theory it should Just Work(TM). |
| 22:33.52 | t0urneviiiz | haha right :) |
| 22:33.57 | t0urneviiiz | thanks anyways :) |
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| 22:34.13 | daniel^_ | ati radeon 9700 |
| 22:34.17 | daniel^_ | I found a diff of a patch |
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| 22:34.39 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: But I suppose gcc isn't that good on other architectures if I understand you correctly. |
| 22:34.43 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: ? |
| 22:34.46 | deadcat | user___: no. but try recover (ext2 only maybe?) |
| 22:34.48 | daniel^_ | http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-xfree86/2005-Feb/att-0028/agp_backend-2.6.11rc2.diff |
| 22:35.10 | deadcat | daniel^_: rc[0-9] for a reason |
| 22:35.13 | user___ | deadcat nothing for ext3? |
| 22:35.22 | t0urneviiiz | well it works, but it takes forever as it is a mips 250mhz |
| 22:35.25 | deadcat | user___: nope. try recover see if it works or not |
| 22:35.53 | user___ | deadcat apt says that it is ext2 undelete |
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| 22:36.17 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: Well, then there's no problem imo. Just buy a faster computer. (or login remotely to another host or use distcc) |
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| 22:36.39 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: Ofcourse that's no asap solution. |
| 22:36.44 | daniel^_ | user___, there is, there is one tool for windows that is quite good |
| 22:36.59 | daniel^_ | user___, rlinux is called |
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| 22:37.30 | daniel^_ | user___, 2 and ext3 are basically same filesystem, the undelete works for both too |
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| 22:37.36 | t0urneviiiz | jeannette: thats why i want to use my laptop to cross compile |
| 22:37.52 | t0urneviiiz | and I'm having issues building a functionnal kernel |
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| 22:37.58 | user___ | daniel^_ R-Linux is a free file recovery utility for the Ext2FS |
| 22:38.10 | t0urneviiiz | it takes over 3h before I get any error message (which is in fact my network card driver that messes everything up) |
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| 22:38.19 | resiak | t0urneviiiz: ccache |
| 22:38.29 | t0urneviiiz | ccache? |
| 22:38.33 | resiak | t0urneviiiz: Use it. |
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| 22:38.40 | t0urneviiiz | use what? |
| 22:38.44 | t0urneviiiz | what's ccache? |
| 22:38.50 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.52 | jeannette | t0urneviiiz: ccache only recompiles when necessary. |
| 22:38.58 | jeannette | !ccache |
| 22:38.58 | dpkg | [ccache] a tool for speeding up compiling times by using cached data, or awesome, or at http://ccache.samba.org/ |
| 22:39.11 | t0urneviiiz | hmm hmm |
| 22:39.12 | jeannette | "or awesome" lol |
| 22:39.24 | outlaw84 | check out "jor"s quit msg he was doing IPv6 style :) |
| 22:39.35 | jeannette | dpkg: ccache is not awesome. |
| 22:39.35 | dpkg | ...but ccache is already something else... |
| 22:39.43 | jeannette | dpkg: ccache is not awesome. |
| 22:40.00 | resiak | jeannette: Yes it is. |
| 22:40.22 | t0urneviiiz | hhahaha |
| 22:40.26 | Warp4 | god some windows users can be stupid... *sighs* |
| 22:40.27 | t0urneviiiz | fight!! |
| 22:40.38 | daniel^_ | user___, ext3 is ext2 with journaling flag on |
| 22:40.42 | jeannette | resiak: Well, there's nothing awesome about it imho, just a nice tool. |
| 22:40.47 | shingouz | Warp4: they use windows. what do you expect |
| 22:40.54 | daniel^_ | user___, is not a different file system |
| 22:41.09 | resiak | jeannette: it's awesome because it's a good idea and makes compiling the kernel the Debian way sane. |
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| 22:41.16 | user___ | daniel^_ why would they be called different? out of curriocity |
| 22:41.16 | t0urneviiiz | apt-get install ccache ... lets see |
| 22:41.17 | jeannette | Can't I redefine ccache? (I won't do it.) |
| 22:41.38 | obtix | is there a way to run debian inside windows once both operating system have already been installed and configured (i really need to do this for a work laptop) |
| 22:42.08 | t0urneviiiz | obtix: how about vmware |
| 22:42.15 | resiak | jeannette: Yes, you can. "dpkg: no, ccache is a pile of shit" would replace what's there with "ccache is a pile of shit". dpkg: ccache =~ s/or awesome, // would get rid of that bit. |
| 22:42.20 | resiak | obtix: colinux? |
| 22:42.32 | daniel^_ | user___, becouse ext3 does journaling |
| 22:42.46 | obtix | t0urneviiiz: i just got and installed vmware and it appears i need to install linux with vmware (unless there is a hack i dont know about) |
| 22:42.55 | jeannette | resiak: ok, ty. |
| 22:43.00 | obtix | resiak: isnt colinux just a linux install that runs on a windows filesystem? |
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| 22:43.05 | daniel^_ | obtix, yeah vmware |
| 22:43.07 | user___ | daniel^_ so, becuase ls utility got say added an extra flag it is should be called somehting else? just out of currioucity |
| 22:43.29 | daniel^_ | user___, no idea |
| 22:43.34 | obtix | daniel^_: ok, how do i do it so it will read the alrady installed linux installation from its partition |
| 22:43.37 | resiak | obtix: No. Colinux is not. Google it. |
| 22:43.39 | RvGaTe | Is there a good replacement for the Flash Communication Server for debian ? |
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| 22:43.53 | daniel^_ | obtix you cant |
| 22:43.54 | resiak | obtix: Not with any great ease, but why don't you read its manual? |
| 22:44.03 | resiak | RvGaTe: maybe you could tell us what it does? |
| 22:44.17 | daniel^_ | obtix you have to install linux into vmware |
| 22:44.20 | RvGaTe | resiak: you dont know what the flash communication server iss ? |
| 22:44.24 | obtix | resiak: great ease with colinux or vmware |
| 22:44.30 | daniel^_ | You cant boot 2 systems in same harddrive same time |
| 22:44.33 | resiak | RvGaTe: No, I have no clue. |
| 22:44.35 | obtix | daniel^_: yeah, i dont want to do that |
| 22:44.43 | resiak | daniel^_: Google for Colinux --- yes you can. |
| 22:44.49 | RvGaTe | resiak: not into web-development huh? :P |
| 22:44.57 | obtix | resiak: im looking up colinux now :-P |
| 22:45.06 | resiak | RvGaTe: Vaguely, but why would I have heard of that tool? |
| 22:45.24 | user___ | daniel^_ so you are saying it would work no problem? |
| 22:45.44 | daniel^_ | user___, yes |
| 22:46.25 | nono31 | hi |
| 22:46.29 | ohad_ | what deb pkg do i need to download in order to have spellchecker working in openoffice.org? |
| 22:46.40 | ohad_ | (i've already tried #openoffice.org) |
| 22:47.13 | RvGaTe | resiak: becouse its an socket that macromedia has made especially for flash, for use of video conferrencing, and many other "multi-user" application |
| 22:47.34 | resiak | RvGaTe: Oh. |
| 22:47.41 | resiak | RvGaTe: Because I clearly love flash. |
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| 22:47.46 | RvGaTe | resiak: and becouse its so expencive, im seeking for an alternative |
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| 22:47.54 | resiak | RvGaTe: "Don't use flash."? |
| 22:48.13 | user___ | daniel^_ you have to pay for it? |
| 22:48.17 | RvGaTe | resiak: you say that i need to stop using flash? |
| 22:48.21 | astronut | are the mirrors having issues? |
| 22:48.22 | jeannette | Does virtualisation exclude high performance graphics (i.e. OpenGL)? |
| 22:48.32 | resiak | RvGaTe: Yes. Flash is really really REALLY irritating. |
| 22:48.45 | nono31 | I build my kernel since 2.4.x and have the almost same .config that I adapted from versions to versions... I configure thinking this way: the less is the best (don't ask me why)... But last week I configured from scratch letting almost all the option by default (debian 2.6.8 sarge kernel config)... but since then My linux is MUCH slower than before: disk access, graphics (under X) ... any ideas? |
| 22:48.46 | john | What's a good program to rip a DVD-movie to an Image file (*.iso or *.img) or to .mpg? |
| 22:48.50 | jeannette | RvGaTe: Yes, Flash is REALLY irritating. |
| 22:48.54 | RvGaTe | resiak: and why is that, becouse of all the noobish animations you see on the net? |
| 22:48.59 | user___ | daniel^_ sorry, i looked at wrong link |
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| 22:49.05 | user___ | plz do not mind me |
| 22:49.08 | resiak | RvGaTe: Give me _one_ example of where flash is the right thing to use. |
| 22:49.16 | RvGaTe | ok, hold on |
| 22:49.19 | resiak | RvGaTe: No, the animations are the only good use. |
| 22:49.22 | Ronin | resiak: porn sites |
| 22:49.35 | RvGaTe | resiak: then what's so bad about it ? |
| 22:49.41 | Ronin | not that i go there of course |
| 22:49.54 | user___ | most of the flahs sites are crap, but some are very nice |
| 22:49.56 | jeannette | RvGaTe: It's mostly the developers that suck, I think. |
| 22:50.05 | user___ | jeannette i agree :) |
| 22:50.20 | RvGaTe | http://www.desch-plantpak.com/wereldkaart.aspx <-- made that flash app for an client, xml driven... |
| 22:50.22 | jeannette | RvGaTe: They tend to design for one resolution only. |
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| 22:50.27 | resiak | RvGaTe: Because it's always used redundantly, because it needs a plugin, because the Linux plugin is shit and doesn't use ALSA, because it breaks the back button and tabbed browsing, because ... need I go on? |
| 22:50.38 | jeannette | RvGaTe: Fixed font sizes and so on. |
| 22:51.07 | jeannette | RvGaTe: and... they use Flash7 which isn't stable on my platform. |
| 22:51.20 | resiak | RvGaTe: That appears to be redundant and not work properly. |
| 22:51.23 | RvGaTe | jeannette: resiak, you guys are turning this into a flame, please dont, answer my question or just shut up and help others.. thank you :) |
| 22:51.32 | jeannette | RvGaTe: Flash doesn't buy you more business. |
| 22:51.41 | resiak | RvGaTe: I answered your question: don't use flash. |
| 22:51.44 | jeannette | RvGaTe: You asked. |
| 22:51.44 | TimbrWolf | Any one use rrdtool? |
| 22:52.01 | shingouz | TimbrWolf: no |
| 22:52.08 | RvGaTe | resiak: jeannette: like i sayd, if you guys are not intended to help me, just shut up... it helps allot |
| 22:52.19 | jeannette | "RvGaTe> resiak: then what's so bad about it ?" <=there |
| 22:52.23 | resiak | RvGaTe: Do you not want me to tell you about an apparent bug in your flash applet ? |
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| 22:52.46 | resiak | !tell TimbrWolf -about ask |
| 22:52.48 | RvGaTe | do i need to repeat myself ? |
| 22:53.01 | resiak | RvGaTe: THERE IS A BUG IN YOUR SCRIPT. I WANT TO HELP YOU. |
| 22:53.19 | jeannette | RvGaTe: I just responded to your claims. |
| 22:53.47 | RvGaTe | I DID NOT ASK TO GET HELP ON THE SCRIPT resiak, I ASKED HELP FOR FINDING AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE FLASHCOM.... PLEASE HELP OR STFU !.... damn you guys |
| 22:53.57 | resiak | YOU ARE ON CRACK! |
| 22:53.59 | resiak | \o/ |
| 22:54.14 | shingouz | gee... |
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| 22:55.04 | jeannette | RvGaTe: resiak said he wasn't familiar with that server. |
| 22:55.26 | jeannette | RvGaTe: So, just pay a freaking license if you need Flash. |
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| 22:55.59 | jeannette | RvGaTe: Nobody in #debian knows an alternative or is interested in your question. |
| 22:56.07 | gravity | RvGaTe: Please calm down |
| 22:56.16 | RvGaTe | couldn't you guys just say that in the first place ? |
| 22:56.30 | RvGaTe | instead of getting every bad thing about flash |
| 22:56.37 | kadigibox | I am useing wmaker and there is a program that constantly opens above my video boarder. How do I move the window when there is no title bar to right click to get the move function |
| 22:56.37 | FieldySnuts | after that caps outburst i'm ignoring you, and by the way fuck flash. |
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| 22:57.13 | resiak | FieldySnuts: me or rv? |
| 22:57.57 | RvGaTe | im going, thx for the help :S |
| 22:58.04 | RvGaTe | bastard |
| 22:58.05 | RvGaTe | s |
| 22:58.08 | shingouz | ty |
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| 22:58.16 | jaro | Hi. Can I somehow simply connect to local sockets (AF_UNIX tcp stream)? I'm fighting with netcat to do this for me, but I'm not sure if it's even possible. |
| 22:58.41 | FieldySnuts | resiak: the other jagoff |
| 22:58.46 | FieldySnuts | well not that you are one |
| 22:58.58 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: he is gone already |
| 22:59.03 | FieldySnuts | oh. good |
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| 22:59.06 | shingouz | :) |
| 22:59.19 | jeannette | Is it possible to see by who you have been /ignore'd? |
| 22:59.53 | shingouz | not that i know of |
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| 23:00.54 | user___ | deadcat does recover works on mounted filesystems? |
| 23:01.01 | goron | FieldySnuts: Do you have me on ignore? |
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| 23:01.26 | user___ | deadcat cause it does not seem to find any files.. |
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| 23:02.14 | FieldySnuts | goron: no. should I? |
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| 23:03.06 | goron | FieldySnuts: No, but you said the word ignore when I asked something today, and I thought you were talking about me. No, you shouldn't ;) |
| 23:03.21 | user___ | where does ext3 stores the journals? (sorry i'm newbie and migh be totaly off) if i can restore some old ocpy of the journal or osmething? |
| 23:03.35 | goron | FieldySnuts: Probably unrelated to me, in hindsight. |
| 23:04.11 | breedx | Is anybody able to load the snd-virmidi module with kernel 2.6.12? |
| 23:04.38 | user___ | it is possible to restore filesystem to a state it was, say about 2 days ago? |
| 23:04.47 | shingouz | kadigibox: alt-drag |
| 23:04.49 | breedx | fatal__: Error inserting snd_virmidi (/lib/modules/2.6.12.2n/kernel/sound/drivers/snd-virmidi.ko): No such device |
| 23:05.19 | jim | breedx, what's virmidi for? |
| 23:05.19 | shingouz | user___: yes. from your backups |
| 23:05.43 | breedx | jim: virtual midi device. used to "link" apps together through fake midi channels |
| 23:05.55 | breedx | used to work all the time in earlier kernels. |
| 23:06.04 | daniel^_ | jim, Module /usr/src/modules/fglrx-kernel-src processed fine |
| 23:06.08 | daniel^_ | :) |
| 23:06.17 | jim | daniel^_: purty good :) |
| 23:06.18 | breedx | I heard some mention that this issue might be related to udev...but that's where my knowledge tapers off |
| 23:06.20 | user___ | shingouz and if there are no backups available? and the fs is ext3? |
| 23:06.41 | jim | I don't know anything specific either... |
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| 23:06.50 | shingouz | user___: i do not know, i backup my stuff |
| 23:06.52 | jim | but what kind of stuff were you doing? |
| 23:07.16 | user___ | shingouz unfortunatly the money i have do not permit me for bigger hdds.... and the one i own is only 30gig... |
| 23:07.39 | jim | -only- 30g he says :) |
| 23:07.44 | shingouz | user___: 30G? damn. that is huge compared to some of the hd's i have here |
| 23:08.10 | breedx | I'm able to strace the modprobe back to the failure: init_module("ELF", 0x16e3) = -1 ENODEV (No such device) |
| 23:08.19 | breedx | but I'm not sure how to tell *what* device it's looking for. |
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| 23:08.42 | shingouz | user___: besides the backups have to be on different media than the originals. tape, cd.. something along those lines |
| 23:09.21 | user___ | shingouz that is the ONLY hdd avialable |
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| 23:09.36 | jim | I'm running a 2.6.7 kernel and I have this snd-virmidi module... |
| 23:09.42 | jeannette | 500GB backup DVD's with 50000x, now that would be useful. |
| 23:09.46 | user___ | shingouz or rather the only data medium i have... |
| 23:09.52 | breedx | jim: yeah, I think it worked for me all way way through 2.6.10 or 11 |
| 23:10.04 | jim | so I decided to run modinfo snd-virmidi |
| 23:10.24 | shingouz | user___: if the data is lost because you deleted somethign by accident you are s.o.l. the journals help if you have a dirty shutdown |
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| 23:10.31 | jim | I could show you the output... (but too many lines for here)_ |
| 23:10.40 | user___ | shingouz s.o.l? |
| 23:10.45 | breedx | jim: anything interesting tho? |
| 23:10.49 | jim | you could compare the output to your output |
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| 23:11.08 | user___ | dpkg sol? |
| 23:11.09 | dpkg | [sol] Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 23:11.09 | shingouz | user___: Shit Out of Luck |
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| 23:11.13 | jim | the parameters it accepts are... midi_devs, enable, id, index |
| 23:11.23 | breedx | jim: right...I'm using index=1 |
| 23:11.28 | breedx | no other params. |
| 23:11.38 | breedx | although maybe I need to look into midi_devs |
| 23:11.41 | jim | does your module accept the same parms? |
| 23:11.52 | breedx | yeah...exactly same. |
| 23:11.53 | user___ | shingouz yes, the files where accidently delete with rm -rf and a wildcard which unforutnaly was precided with a space... so you are saying on ext3 you can't do jack? |
| 23:11.59 | jim | so no others too? |
| 23:12.11 | breedx | nope, just midi_devs, enable, id, and index |
| 23:12.17 | shingouz | user___: it is not designed to protect agains that. |
| 23:12.39 | jim | user___: but you -can- do jack! (jack audio connection kit) |
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| 23:12.58 | user___ | jim :( |
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| 23:13.08 | shingouz | user___: were you root when you did the rm -fr? |
| 23:13.11 | breedx | jack rules. |
| 23:13.21 | winslayer | Hello there :) |
| 23:13.22 | shingouz | and jill rocks ;) |
| 23:13.26 | user___ | shingouz no, luckyly not. |
| 23:13.34 | jim | jack rocks jill! |
| 23:13.51 | user___ | jim i assume this is very entertaining for you? |
| 23:13.58 | shingouz | user___: that is a small help then... not a lot though. rm -fr is always a bad idea |
| 23:13.59 | winslayer | Anyone Know about Gaim + X-org |
| 23:14.07 | jim | if you do, you make an ass of u and me |
| 23:14.14 | breedx | winslayer: I'm running em on sid. |
| 23:14.21 | shay | winslayer, same here |
| 23:14.26 | shingouz | !tell winslayer about polls |
| 23:14.28 | shingouz | !tell winslayer about ask |
| 23:14.51 | shingouz | $deity... "does anyone use..." fsck! |
| 23:14.51 | winslayer | Breedx, there is gaim data lib problem no? |
| 23:15.04 | user___ | shingouz yes but sometimes you gotta delete a lot of stuff... but was deleted too much... |
| 23:15.06 | breedx | not that I've seen. |
| 23:15.08 | shingouz | winslayer: did you read what dpkg told you? |
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| 23:15.14 | jim | breedx. what about mailing the author Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> |
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| 23:15.20 | winslayer | Err no! |
| 23:15.25 | shingouz | winslayer: read it |
| 23:15.32 | winslayer | What would it have told me? |
| 23:15.39 | breedx | jim: yeah, might just do that.... |
| 23:15.40 | TTimo | lo. if I installed new fonts, do I need something to get them reloaded / appearing in xfontsel ? |
| 23:15.47 | shingouz | winslayer: private messages. read them. from dpkg |
| 23:15.49 | breedx | jim: I know I'm not the only one with that virmidi problem. |
| 23:16.04 | jim | breedx: make that close to last thing you try tho |
| 23:16.05 | breedx | but I saw reference to somebody who solved it...but no details. |
| 23:16.16 | breedx | jim: I know....I'm expiring all my options. |
| 23:16.35 | jim | so you might be able to find stuff, also your idea of looking into midi_devs seems promising |
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| 23:16.57 | ma3x | !ck |
| 23:16.57 | dpkg | hmm... ck is http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ |
| 23:17.06 | breedx | yeah, I'm a little sketchy on how this all works, but I think it may be trying to hook up with something in /dev...just not sure what. |
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| 23:17.16 | breedx | and the reference to the solution mentioned udev. |
| 23:17.16 | ma3x | what was the trigger for the debian way of custom kernel? |
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| 23:17.41 | shingouz | !tell ma3x about kp |
| 23:17.44 | jim | it's an alsa module, right? if that's the case there must be some alsa midi devices present |
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| 23:18.05 | breedx | jim: yeah, it's alsa |
| 23:18.13 | ma3x | thanks shingouz |
| 23:18.17 | shingouz | np |
| 23:18.20 | breedx | and there are devices in /dev/snd |
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| 23:18.37 | user___ | well, it is not that big deal the stuf fi deleted.. just gotta redo my cd library listing ...... and redownlaod few books that i didn't move.. |
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| 23:18.44 | jim | ma3x: it's almost the same as what you do... but instead of running all the makes to build, you run a script and it does the compile the makes would have, and makes a .deb of the result |
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| 23:19.33 | ma3x | jim okay |
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| 23:19.46 | jim | user___: in that case your comment about "entertaining" was a tad unwarranted... |
| 23:20.18 | user___ | jim sorry unwarrented? i'm not quite sure what that means.. english isnt' my first language... |
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| 23:20.56 | sergio | hola |
| 23:21.01 | FieldySnuts | puto |
| 23:21.10 | sergio | gracias |
| 23:21.15 | FieldySnuts | si. engles? |
| 23:21.21 | FieldySnuts | bah screwed that up |
| 23:21.23 | sergio | no spanish |
| 23:21.35 | sergio | harlot |
| 23:21.40 | FieldySnuts | ;C |
| 23:21.48 | DoppelGanger | tisk tisk |
| 23:21.49 | ma3x | where can i edit the compiler email in the kernel? |
| 23:21.55 | jim | if your issue was not that big a deal (you're not stressing about getting fired in 10 secs, the server is going to stay up even tho this problem isn't solved, no missles will be launched, etc), then -probably- it wasn't a good idea for you to make that comment... that's all I'm saying |
| 23:21.57 | ma3x | like when you type uname to show the damn email |
| 23:22.10 | winslayer | Shingouz, Sorry, still trying to work out what's goin' on. Btw using Synaptic. Following msg : Depends: libaspell15c2 but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:22.59 | shingouz | winslayer: ask the channel, not someone here. besides asking "who is using" is a poll and is considered bad. what is it you are trying to install and what happens |
| 23:23.07 | user___ | jim i did have some important stuff. and it will be big pain in the ass... i still don't know all hte consequences... i'm quite sure i'm missing a lot there. maybe a gig of info... it is big deal for me |
| 23:23.36 | user___ | jim i dont' know yet what i am missing and when i will discover it. it will quite a lot of trouble |
| 23:23.38 | FieldySnuts | reminds me to do another incrimental backup of / ... |
| 23:24.01 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: when was the last time you did a full backup? |
| 23:24.12 | winslayer | Ok, I now have X-0rg installed on my Kanotix os. However Gaim will not install due to dependency issues.. |
| 23:24.40 | shingouz | winslayer: and you run kanotix? $deity.. what are you doing here. #kanotix |
| 23:24.44 | jim | well, sorry to hear that happened to you... if your data is important, it's important for you to protect it... backups will do that, but learning how and WHY admins do backups the way they do, and how to create a backup strategy/plan is as important as your data |
| 23:24.52 | winslayer | Normally correctional updates follow quite quickley these days |
| 23:24.57 | jim | never more important, never less important |
| 23:25.04 | shingouz | <sigh> |
| 23:25.23 | breedx | winslayer: sid? |
| 23:25.29 | winslayer | Yeah but this is a Debian issue no? |
| 23:25.32 | jim | hindsight? yes... what else can I say? |
| 23:25.33 | breedx | oh, wait, kanotix |
| 23:25.35 | breedx | what is that? :) |
| 23:25.36 | shingouz | winslayer: we do not know what is happeninf with kanotix. use #kanotix to ask your questions |
| 23:25.47 | shingouz | breedx: somethig based on debian |
| 23:25.49 | winslayer | Kanotix is debian sid |
| 23:25.50 | user___ | jim is ia personal machine laptop. i dont' have money to invest in backup solutions. i'm saving for it. i've been saving for it for anbout half a year now... |
| 23:25.55 | shingouz | winslayer: bno it is not |
| 23:26.00 | user___ | jim and not it had to hit me |
| 23:26.04 | shingouz | winslayer: it is kanotix. go away |
| 23:26.05 | winslayer | how so? |
| 23:26.07 | user___ | *sigh* |
| 23:26.11 | shingouz | !based on debian |
| 23:26.11 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:26.18 | jim | what version of debian do you run? |
| 23:26.26 | shingouz | kanotix.. fsck... |
| 23:26.30 | shingouz | grrrr...... |
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| 23:26.39 | winslayer | blimmey :0) |
| 23:26.42 | user___ | jim me? sarge 3.1 |
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| 23:27.00 | jim | ok, good... you made a wise decision there |
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| 23:27.19 | Rakeleer | Is there something I can do to find out what job a CRON process is running? I can't get detail from /proc/<pid>/cmdline and pgrep -lf/pstree tells me nothing. |
| 23:27.23 | winslayer | Lol.. Okay, Thx for your help |
| 23:27.27 | shingouz | :) |
| 23:27.28 | exobyte | How can I clear ALL iptables entries? |
| 23:27.37 | jim | user___, btw, what do you mean you can't do a backup solution? |
| 23:27.41 | sussudio | man iptables |
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| 23:27.51 | JohnFlux | exobyte: -F, -t nat -F, -t somethingelse -F |
| 23:28.00 | Warp4 | hi all, can anyway recommend a good java-based nntp news reader? |
| 23:28.00 | Rakeleer | exobyte: There's a flush command detailed in the man page for iptables. |
| 23:28.02 | exobyte | JohnFlux: cool.. thx |
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| 23:28.02 | JohnFlux | exobyte: depends what modules you have |
| 23:28.04 | jim | if you do not, then you risk this happening again. sorry to tell you that, but it's the intrinsic truth. |
| 23:28.23 | user___ | jim i have nowhere to backup to.. and i don't have money to invest in anything... i was planing on making a file server. but din't have moeny to buy a crappy box.. and a HDD for it |
| 23:28.38 | user___ | jim was also thiking of raid. |
| 23:28.43 | jim | get someone to give you an old p3! |
| 23:28.51 | JohnFlux | user___: google has 2.5GB space |
| 23:28.56 | JohnFlux | user___: ;) |
| 23:29.03 | JohnFlux | user___: per email account |
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| 23:29.05 | Rakeleer | heh... backup via gmail? Now there's an idea. |
| 23:29.05 | jim | gb?? |
| 23:29.06 | user___ | JohnFlux and you expect to backup 30 gig? |
| 23:29.20 | user___ | jim yes, it has 2.5 gig |
| 23:29.20 | Rakeleer | Just have to break it into 10mb chunks. Or is the attachment limit 15? |
| 23:29.24 | yosyp_ | heh you guys wount belive this |
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| 23:29.44 | yosyp_ | I installed knoppix 3.x ona 4MB 133MHz pentium 75-200 px |
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| 23:29.49 | JohnFlux | Rakeleer: use the gmail filesystem and just mount it |
| 23:29.56 | yosyp_ | and I am currently on it. Which IceWM running and XChat |
| 23:30.01 | user___ | jim noone here has any old boxes... |
| 23:30.07 | JohnFlux | Rakeleer: then you can just use tar etc to backup |
| 23:30.08 | user___ | jim and htey owudln't give them for free either |
| 23:30.23 | Rakeleer | JohnFlux: (*)(*) |
| 23:30.29 | Rakeleer | That's outrageous. |
| 23:30.35 | Rakeleer | There's a gmail fs? How odd. |
| 23:30.36 | JohnFlux | but fun :) |
| 23:30.40 | Rakeleer | SO fun. |
| 23:30.48 | JohnFlux | Rakeleer: yeah gmail has all the functions required for a filesystem |
| 23:31.03 | jim | even unix perms? |
| 23:31.10 | JohnFlux | hmm dunno |
| 23:31.12 | jim | but it runs over mail?? |
| 23:31.15 | Warp4 | user___ heh ever try ebay for an old box? |
| 23:31.16 | JohnFlux | yeah |
| 23:31.20 | Rakeleer | Holy crap, that is amazingly geek. |
| 23:31.38 | user___ | warp4 shipping HERE would cost shitloads of money assuming htey will accept payment form here.... |
| 23:31.49 | Warp4 | user___ i bought a Sun Ultra 5 for $70 US and installed the Sparc version of Debian and slapped a 20GB hard drive in it. |
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| 23:31.55 | shingouz | user___: define "here" please |
| 23:31.56 | Rakeleer | And it's in APT! |
| 23:32.08 | Warp4 | user___ if you have a paypal account |
| 23:32.09 | jim | aaaaaaa mazing geeeeeeeeeek, how state, the art.... |
| 23:32.17 | breedx | hahahahaha |
| 23:32.22 | user___ | Warp4 shipping to estern europe? good luck |
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| 23:32.48 | user___ | shingouz eastern europe |
| 23:32.48 | Warp4 | user___ just give it a try. I am in the US and I get stuff from Taiwan all the time. |
| 23:32.50 | outlaw84 | Rakeleer: its even in the debian repository :) |
| 23:32.51 | jim | to upgrade, a wretch like slack? |
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| 23:33.04 | user___ | Warp4 and how much does that cost you to ship a PC? |
| 23:33.13 | shingouz | user___: you would be amazed what happens. can you be a bit more specific about the location? like to the nearest country? ;) |
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| 23:33.28 | user___ | shingouz belarus |
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| 23:33.42 | shingouz | user___: should not be too hard to ship there |
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| 23:33.55 | ma3x | how do i make .iso out of a folder/ ? |
| 23:34.05 | shay | man mkisofs |
| 23:34.14 | shingouz | ma3x: directory :p |
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| 23:34.19 | jim | right, that's exactly what mkisofs does |
| 23:34.32 | Warp4 | user___ dunno -- never shipped a pc :) |
| 23:34.39 | ma3x | shingouz it's the same :] |
| 23:34.44 | shingouz | no it is not |
| 23:34.46 | KerPlunk | I have this creative labs mp3 player that someone gave me....does anyone know if there are any good programs to dump music onto it...or if it will even be supported? |
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| 23:34.54 | ma3x | that man mkisofs sure is big! |
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| 23:35.07 | user___ | shingouz there are few problems, i'm sure shipping to there would be hella expensive for a BOX. (thinking how much it wieghts) plus there is problem wiht finances... ppl here make 75$/ MONTH that is before taxes |
| 23:35.10 | shingouz | ma3x: check the examples at the bottom |
| 23:35.12 | Warp4 | KerPlunk can you use it as a USB drive? |
| 23:35.13 | JohnFlux | ma3x: use k3b, copy the files on, and make iso image :P |
| 23:35.31 | shingouz | user___: hm. |
| 23:35.44 | KerPlunk | Warp4: I dunno |
| 23:35.46 | shingouz | user___: but not too many computers around even if they are needed? |
| 23:36.23 | user___ | shingouz shingouz well, i forgot about 1.5 years ago our `prisdent` issues a law which requires me to pay 250 euros for bringing in a computer in a country |
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| 23:36.39 | Warp4 | KerPlunk is it a usb based device? |
| 23:36.54 | ma3x | and how do i make .iso out of a dvd disc? |
| 23:37.00 | jim | I want to get all 14 cd images... but I want to do it in a way that's not too expensive to mirror admins... suggestions? |
| 23:37.05 | shingouz | user___: hmmm.. now *that* is bad. does it apply to businesses too? |
| 23:37.11 | JohnFlux | ma3x: iso9660 ? |
| 23:37.22 | ma3x | JohnFlux i think it's udf,no? |
| 23:37.26 | KerPlunk | Warp4: yes |
| 23:37.33 | JohnFlux | ma3x: well I was wondering what you meant |
| 23:37.34 | user___ | shingouz i'm prty sure it does.. but would have ot verify (especially ofr businnes in my opiino they woudl charge more) |
| 23:37.41 | JohnFlux | ma3x: generally you just treat it as an img |
| 23:37.45 | Warp4 | KerPlunk then Debian should see it ok and let you mount that as another disk drive. |
| 23:37.47 | JohnFlux | ma3x: what do you want to do with it? |
| 23:37.49 | KerPlunk | Jul 30 22:37:25 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using address 3 |
| 23:37.56 | KerPlunk | How do I know which /dev it is? |
| 23:38.02 | KerPlunk | It doesn't say in /var/log/messages |
| 23:38.12 | ma3x | JohnFlux just keep it in .iso and mount it when i want to watch the movie |
| 23:38.13 | shingouz | user___: check it out, i may be able to come up with something. i will have to think about this |
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| 23:38.27 | ma3x | or when some friend wants me to burn it for him |
| 23:38.28 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.37 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: /dev/sd* if you have devfs |
| 23:38.44 | TTimo | how do i get newly installed fonts to show up |
| 23:38.48 | KerPlunk | Nothing from /dev/sd* is in /etc/fstab |
| 23:38.48 | TTimo | guess I'm about to reboot |
| 23:38.51 | JohnFlux | ma3x: not .iso, .img |
| 23:39.12 | jim | reboot your font server... not your whole machine :) |
| 23:39.13 | JohnFlux | ma3x: anyway, if you want to do that you can just copy all the files on it to a folder |
| 23:39.29 | einsteinmg | would a replaces in the date package to the 'old (pre -data package)' version of the real package be sufficient when splitting a deb into 2 (one 'real' package and one -data)? |
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| 23:39.32 | breedx | devfs, being outdated now, right. |
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| 23:39.43 | jim | if that doesn't work, try killing off your X and restarting it |
| 23:39.45 | ma3x | JohnFlux and what after i copy them to a folder? |
| 23:39.56 | ma3x | what's does it matter if i make iso or img? |
| 23:40.00 | JohnFlux | ma3x: to make image, hmm you can use k3b for that but don't know how from the command line |
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| 23:40.06 | KerPlunk | Warp4: How do I know what the line in /etc/fstab should look like...when I add it? |
| 23:40.16 | JohnFlux | ma3x: it's a .img - just correcting your terminology that's all |
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| 23:40.18 | KerPlunk | I'm assuming the device is /dev/sda1...but I don't know what the line should look like. |
| 23:40.19 | Warp4 | can anyone recommend a decent Java-based NNTP newsreader I can offer people to read newsgroups from my news server? |
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| 23:40.20 | jim | man 5 fstab |
| 23:40.27 | ma3x | JohnFlux why can't it be .iso? |
| 23:40.32 | user___ | what are good backup solutions? and cheap? |
| 23:40.32 | TNKS | Hi all. I noticed that my BIOS disables local APIC. Is APIC and old technology now? What is it's successor? |
| 23:40.41 | Warp4 | user___ tar and gzip :) |
| 23:40.46 | shingouz | user___: tapes are pretty cheap |
| 23:40.47 | jim | that document is definitive over the format of the fstab file |
| 23:40.53 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: mkdir /mnt/usb; for f in /dev/sd*; do mount $f /mnt/usb; done |
| 23:40.56 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: ;) |
| 23:41.00 | user___ | how much does a tape abckup reader/writer works? |
| 23:41.01 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: if any of them work, there you go |
| 23:41.05 | einsteinmg | ma3x: dd could be used to produce iso images, readcd could also be used |
| 23:41.06 | user___ | erm.. s/works/cost/ |
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| 23:41.20 | shingouz | user___: new? |
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| 23:41.30 | KerPlunk | JohnFlux: "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 23:41.34 | KerPlunk | For all 128 /dev/sd* |
| 23:41.35 | jim | JohnFlux: won't that try to mount all his devices on one mountpoint? |
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| 23:41.43 | KerPlunk | jim no |
| 23:41.43 | JohnFlux | jim: most will fail |
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| 23:41.46 | user___ | shingouz used |
| 23:41.47 | einsteinmg | user___: datavolume? |
| 23:41.47 | KerPlunk | Only one mount point will work. |
| 23:41.49 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: are you sure _all_ failed? |
| 23:41.50 | user___ | shingouz or is beter new? |
| 23:41.52 | shay | what's the name of the application that lets you administrate different network configurations/profiles? |
| 23:41.53 | KerPlunk | JohnFlux: yes |
| 23:41.54 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: type "mount" and check |
| 23:41.58 | user___ | einsteinmg what is that? |
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| 23:42.09 | shingouz | user___: new is better but it costs a hell of oa lot more. depends on the use |
| 23:42.10 | einsteinmg | user___: how much data would you like to backup? |
| 23:42.13 | KerPlunk | JohnFlux: I did |
| 23:42.14 | KerPlunk | All failed. |
| 23:42.17 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: hmm |
| 23:42.19 | jim | I guess if only one is needed, that would work |
| 23:42.22 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: you're screwed then, sorry :) |
| 23:42.33 | user___ | einsteinmg right now 30Gig, but in the future probably much more |
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| 23:42.38 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: rather, I don't know what to suggest |
| 23:42.52 | jim | all failed with what message? |
| 23:42.56 | ma3x | im installing custom kernel (the deb way) |
| 23:43.06 | ma3x | i hope it won't cause kernel panic when i reboot |
| 23:43.13 | ma3x | it did 3 times 2 weeks ago |
| 23:43.18 | einsteinmg | user___: get and buy a extern hd case and put a hd into it, backup with tar/cpio/afio/... and put the hd into your safe ;) |
| 23:43.18 | JohnFlux | jim: "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 23:43.24 | einsteinmg | imho the cheapest way |
| 23:43.37 | Rakeleer | Is there something I can do to find out what job a CRON process is running? I can't get detail from /proc/<pid>/cmdline and pgrep -lf/pstree tells me nothing useful. |
| 23:43.48 | jim | newsflash: kernel panic causes major pain! |
| 23:43.53 | ma3x | einsteinmg : however tar cannot copy all files permission |
| 23:44.02 | Rakeleer | KerPlunk: Maybe not helpful, but have you looked at /proc/partitions? |
| 23:44.13 | user___ | einsteinmg i dont' think that is a very suitable solution :/ |
| 23:44.14 | einsteinmg | ma3x: *tar, sorry ;) (star if you need acl's) |
| 23:44.27 | jim | JohnFlux: so the superblock wasn't read, which might have told the fs type, therefore the fail says something? |
| 23:44.29 | needhelpjoe | hello guys, ive just installed a netinst version of debian. after the setup from the cd, the system reboots, to boot from the installed system. when boot-loader grub trys to boot the system hangs after displaying "GRUB Loading stage 1.5." for about 3 minutes. after that it displays "Grub loading, please wait...". i waited about half an hour and nothing happens. ive tryed to fix something at the configuration from grub, but when i st |
| 23:44.34 | shingouz | user___: lemme think about the hardware problem a little bit, sounds like an interesting situation. fascinating, as spock would say |
| 23:44.56 | user___ | shingouz what hardware problem if you pardon me? |
| 23:45.05 | einsteinmg | user___: should this be a home solution? |
| 23:45.10 | user___ | einsteinmg yes |
| 23:45.22 | einsteinmg | hmmm... whats the problem with the extern hd? |
| 23:45.23 | KerPlunk | yea, Rakeleer nothign there about /dev/sd* |
| 23:45.25 | shingouz | user___: nothainaving computers available there. computers that do not cost an arm and a leg |
| 23:45.34 | shingouz | damn i typo |
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| 23:45.53 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: you could do "file -s /dev/sd*" just to be sure |
| 23:45.54 | TTimo | so fonts anyone? or you don't know squat |
| 23:46.04 | user___ | shingouz well, i have a sprac station 4 lying over here... but i don't know what hard drives it takes... except SCSI |
| 23:46.13 | shingouz | scsi |
| 23:46.30 | FieldySnuts | @troll TTimo |
| 23:46.30 | shingouz | lemme go get some caffeine first, ok |
| 23:46.30 | Rakeleer | KerPlunk: Bummer. I guess there's probably nothing in there you don't recognize, either? |
| 23:46.32 | user___ | shingouz i odnt' have that kind of money for a hdd |
| 23:46.37 | KerPlunk | JohnFlux: I'm almost positive it's /dev/sda1 |
| 23:46.43 | KerPlunk | But there has to be special mount options |
| 23:46.47 | KerPlunk | You can't just mount it normal. |
| 23:46.58 | JohnFlux | KerPlunk: for me it was always sda6 |
| 23:47.00 | jim | what fs type is it? |
| 23:47.02 | Rakeleer | KerPlunk: Does fdisk or cfdisk recongize /dev/sda as a disk? |
| 23:47.04 | TTimo | maybe I am. trying to get an answer in that crowded channel is a big joke too |
| 23:47.18 | TTimo | I have installed a font package, how do i get it to show up in xfontsel ? |
| 23:47.25 | einsteinmg | user___: if you need more backup space maybe a dedicated computer or a sata raid in one of your computers, but don't forget to remove all drives if the backup is completed |
| 23:47.33 | cafuego | tried the xfontsel manpage? |
| 23:47.33 | TTimo | I restarted xfs, I tried dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 23:47.36 | TTimo | no go |
| 23:47.37 | shingouz | user___: do a google on my nick... especially in connection with valerian |
| 23:47.44 | JohnFlux | TTimo: try google - it's gotta be a common problem? |
| 23:47.51 | shingouz | coffee. now. /me & |
| 23:48.03 | cafuego | TTimo: it's weekend, you won't get a decent answer. On the weekend only tards are in here. |
| 23:48.06 | user___ | shingouz ss4 takes sata? |
| 23:48.07 | JohnFlux | needhelpjoe: how much do you know? I suspect you need a small boot partition at the start of the drive |
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| 23:48.23 | JohnFlux | needhelpjoe: you could also try updating your bios |
| 23:48.24 | cafuego | shingouz: |tee me & |
| 23:48.40 | JohnFlux | needhelpjoe: maybe go to a local unix group and get them to sort it for you :/ |
| 23:48.52 | jim | TTimo: what kind of font is it? what server serves it (if any)? is it just a matter of creating the font dir? |
| 23:48.56 | JohnFlux | needhelpjoe: or reinstall, this time with a small /boot partition |
| 23:49.02 | ma3x | when I mount .iso, it it possible to write to it? |
| 23:49.07 | ma3x | ie. to make changes? |
| 23:49.08 | JohnFlux | ma3x: sure |
| 23:49.12 | jim | TTimo: inquiring minds (yours) want to know! |
| 23:49.14 | JohnFlux | ma3x: hmm no wait |
| 23:49.16 | ma3x | john it says it's read only |
| 23:49.17 | JohnFlux | ma3x: i can't remember;) |
| 23:49.34 | ma3x | john come on, what kind of memory you got? |
| 23:49.36 | ma3x | you're a computer kid! |
| 23:49.54 | JohnFlux | ma3x: then it's read only ;P |
| 23:50.00 | jim | 512mb biomem |
| 23:50.00 | ma3x | that's not suitable |
| 23:50.07 | JohnFlux | ma3x: tough :P |
| 23:50.08 | ma3x | anybody knows how to write to mounted .iso ? |
| 23:50.19 | JohnFlux | ma3x: copy all the files somewhere |
| 23:50.20 | user___ | ma3x try to mount it rw? |
| 23:50.23 | JohnFlux | ma3x: modify |
| 23:50.28 | JohnFlux | ma3x: then make a new iso from that |
| 23:50.39 | jim | you can't write to iso that I know of... you can add files and make another iso image |
| 23:50.41 | JohnFlux | ma3x: if it's for a dvd, you can use growiso |
| 23:50.44 | jim | or can you? |
| 23:50.52 | ma3x | there must be a shorter way than copying all the files, and than making the iso allover again |
| 23:50.57 | ma3x | there just gotta be a shortcut |
| 23:50.58 | jim | I want to get all 14 cd images... but I want to do it in a way that's not too expensive to mirror admins... suggestions? |
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| 23:51.00 | JohnFlux | jim: you can always copy elsewhere, the remake |
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| 23:51.14 | cafuego | teh espresso machine is my friend |
| 23:51.21 | stryakr | hello |
| 23:51.23 | JohnFlux | jim: use wget to get 1 after the other |
| 23:51.23 | einsteinmg | ma3x: just don't use iso ;), burn a <fs> image direct on the cd |
| 23:51.40 | einsteinmg | this solution has a few drawbacks ;) |
| 23:51.49 | jim | but isn't that taxing on the (limited number of) cd mirrors? |
| 23:51.50 | einsteinmg | use ext2, vfat, ... as fs |
| 23:51.51 | JohnFlux | einsteinmg: would work with dvd |
| 23:51.59 | JohnFlux | jim: nah |
| 23:52.06 | jim | why? |
| 23:52.07 | JohnFlux | jim: they have more bandwidth that you :P |
| 23:52.17 | jim | still I'd be using some |
| 23:52.22 | einsteinmg | JohnFlux: imho with cd also, but the problem is, that .iso provides error correction |
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| 23:52.32 | ma3x | einsteinmg i want to change a few files inside the image |
| 23:52.33 | jim | is it better I use package mirrors and jigdo? |
| 23:52.34 | JohnFlux | jim: bah, I used to hit them with a 10MB/sec connection daily |
| 23:52.37 | user___ | shingouz what is exaqclty am i looking for? |
| 23:53.00 | jim | that's useless... I don't want to do nearly that |
| 23:53.06 | JohnFlux | jim: you're only talking about 5GB |
| 23:53.14 | JohnFlux | jim: that's nothing - just download however you want |
| 23:53.16 | einsteinmg | ma3x: with iso no chance, if you just make a ext2 image and burn it on the cd you could easily modify it |
| 23:53.19 | JohnFlux | jim: hmm no wait 8GB |
| 23:53.19 | jim | -only- he says :) |
| 23:53.33 | JohnFlux | any university student will do that in a weekend |
| 23:53.46 | jim | but he has t1s |
| 23:53.48 | einsteinmg | JohnFlux: hmmm nope within a few hours ;) |
| 23:53.49 | ma3x | einsteinmg how do i make ext2 image? |
| 23:53.53 | jim | or better |
| 23:54.03 | JohnFlux | einsteinmg: :) |
| 23:54.07 | jim | which makes it worse :) |
| 23:54.13 | JohnFlux | jim: right, so your piddly connection is nothing :P |
| 23:54.13 | einsteinmg | ma3x: dd, losetup, mkfs |
| 23:54.21 | jim | ma3x: man mkisofs |
| 23:54.21 | stryakr | im doing a network install for the latest release of debian, whats the cmd to go back and install more packages |
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| 23:54.41 | JohnFlux | stryakr: apt-get install <packagename> |
| 23:54.48 | stryakr | no, not that cmd |
| 23:54.51 | stryakr | iknow that one |
| 23:54.56 | jim | stryakr: tasksel? |
| 23:54.57 | JohnFlux | stryakr: tasksel |
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| 23:55.06 | ma3x | thats what i just did, mkisofs -o file.iso dir/ |
| 23:55.06 | stryakr | no..., its a wierd cmd |
| 23:55.11 | einsteinmg | JohnFlux: hmmm a bit over 3h if i'm right ;) |
| 23:55.22 | ma3x | so i mount it -o loop -t iso9660 and want to modify its data |
| 23:55.24 | ma3x | and it doesnt work |
| 23:55.28 | JohnFlux | einsteinmg: ;) |
| 23:55.30 | jim | dselect is only to be visited upon major enemies :) |
| 23:55.41 | cafuego | ma3x: No, because iso9660 is read-only. |
| 23:55.43 | JohnFlux | einsteinmg: usually I had lots of downloads, so hard to measure individually ;) |
| 23:55.44 | stryakr | :( |
| 23:55.45 | einsteinmg | ma3x: because it's read-only |
| 23:55.52 | JohnFlux | ma3x: we have already been through this |
| 23:56.04 | jim | stryakr: aptitude? |
| 23:56.04 | cafuego | ma3x: modify the data in dir/ and then re-create the iso. |
| 23:56.08 | JohnFlux | ma3x: copy the files, modify, remake |
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| 23:56.32 | user___ | jim actauly i checked files wiht locate, looks like nothing besides cd indexing databse was lost. so. sorry about pressing you. but i was stressed |
| 23:56.34 | einsteinmg | JohnFlux: heh... the highest rate i've seen on my connection on one individual download was ~700kB/s so imho thats the max ;) |
| 23:56.48 | stryakr | no, |
| 23:56.55 | stryakr | lol, another problem for this laptop |
| 23:57.03 | stryakr | im here in xchat |
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| 23:57.08 | jim | user___: np... really, I just wanted to razz you just enough so you'd be aware of that for next time |
| 23:57.26 | stryakr | but my mozilla, ephiany, and konquerer wont connect to the internet, they just tim out |
| 23:57.27 | user___ | jim, yes, in fact i'm saving money for a hdd for a long time |
| 23:57.29 | deepz | [07-31-2005 05:17:44] SERVICE ALERT: gw;PING;CRITICAL;HARD;3;CRITICAL - Plugin timed out after 10 seconds |
| 23:57.33 | jim | it just takes some thought |
| 23:57.38 | deepz | i am gettin this erro innagios |
| 23:57.47 | deepz | what shld be the problem |
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| 23:58.02 | deepz | everything is configured correct |
| 23:58.05 | deepz | i have checked it |
| 23:58.09 | jim | gw == gary willis? |
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| 23:58.26 | TTimo | for the record, xset fp rehash |
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| 23:58.34 | ma3x | dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `backuppc' in statusoverride file |
| 23:58.36 | TTimo | rescans the fonts without having to restart X |
| 23:58.39 | daedalus_ | deepz: gw=gateway? |
| 23:58.45 | user___ | j |
| 23:58.49 | ma3x | installing backuppc has been the biggest mistake ive ever made on debian |
| 23:58.49 | jim | oh, forgot that one :0 |
| 23:59.03 | ma3x | what the heck is that error when i try to install kernelimage |
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| 23:59.08 | deepz | yes, what does it signify |
| 23:59.18 | TTimo | geez and some people say it's ready for the desktop |
| 23:59.25 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.25 | deepz | i have configured it for the first time |
| 23:59.32 | DocTrax | what meand dev at the beginning of a package name? |
| 23:59.39 | stryakr | does debian come preinstalled with a gui? |
| 23:59.57 | daedalus_ | deepz: Uh.... what program are you running and where are you seeing the error msg? |
