| 00:00.11 | xoz | akhayyat: hwinfo will tell you |
| 00:00.13 | akhayyat | usb-storage, ehci-hcd, sr... |
| 00:00.34 | xoz | akhayyat: sr... the others are base-modules |
| 00:00.41 | Thorrn4 | hello!! I heard from a friend of mine, that uses Mepis Linux, that Debian is in an unstable phase (where its packages are unstable)....what does that mean? is it true? because I want to install Debian...but if it has problems or is unstable...I dont know |
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| 00:01.06 | DoppelGanger | h a ha |
| 00:01.09 | koollman | :) |
| 00:01.11 | akhayyat | xoz: so i remove sr module, unplug, plug again? |
| 00:01.12 | Guerin | Thorrn4: debian unstable is unstable. Stable is still just as stable as ever. |
| 00:01.14 | rbochan | Thorrn4: clicky clicky... http://www.us.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 00:01.34 | shingouz | Thorrn4: install stable. unstable is.. unstable |
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| 00:01.48 | xoz | akhayyat: possible one of the modules is the one causing the trouble... got to go |
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| 00:02.39 | Thorrn4 | I downloaded the Netinstall version...is that stable or no? |
| 00:02.45 | Thorrn4 | i386 |
| 00:02.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:03.22 | jim | Thorrn4: probably it can be used to install stable... could you say at what url (as precisely as you remember) did you get the netinst? |
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| 00:03.58 | bucky | Thorrn4, was it called debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso ? |
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| 00:04.21 | Thorrn4 | I downloaded the file from http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 00:04.29 | Thorrn4 | bucky, yes it was |
| 00:04.33 | bucky | good |
| 00:04.41 | jim | that sounds like the stable one to me |
| 00:05.11 | fuag | um |
| 00:05.17 | fuag | moving to etch has broken aptitude |
| 00:05.22 | jim | Thorrn4: here's the thing... debian has its irons in many fires... or many irons in one fire? dunno... |
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| 00:05.48 | sweety15 | hello guys. is here anybody who wants to flirt with me? |
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| 00:06.34 | akhayyat | flirt? |
| 00:06.37 | jim | Thorrn4: so, they work on stable and testing and unstable pretty much at the same time |
| 00:06.53 | Markrian | My computer's clock has a terrible amount of drift. I've installed ntpd to try and fix it, but it doesn't seem to help - at ALL. The drift file always remains at 0.000. What am I doing wrong? Any other suggestions? |
| 00:07.07 | Thorrn4 | I want to erase a hd, and use it as extra storage...how can I do that? (when the hd is set-up I want to back up my files to that and install Debian on my current hd) |
| 00:07.36 | lilliput | hi all was searching why I don't have my traceroute was working but ping was fine ( surely due to my kernel but not sure how) |
| 00:07.38 | jim | why not do the reverse? |
| 00:07.44 | fuag | nevermind fixed it |
| 00:08.42 | Thorrn4 | jim, my current hd has a higher cache 8mb to the other one, 2mb |
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| 00:09.08 | jim | does that make it faster? |
| 00:09.21 | Thorrn4 | in theory is should |
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| 00:09.27 | SDFH_Linux | how could ndiswrapper be so much better with signal strength than the linuxant driver or the windows one? |
| 00:09.27 | Thorrn4 | it should** |
| 00:09.49 | jim | well of course it's up to you... what os do you have now? |
| 00:10.13 | Thorrn4 | ubuntu |
| 00:10.20 | rixth | http://spectrumenterprises.org/theme.jpg Okay, all the GTK2 themes I use do that. See how parts of Firefox ARE themed, the tabs for example, but other parts such as the navigation buttons are not. |
| 00:10.27 | rixth | Any ideas how to fix that? |
| 00:10.29 | jim | so you want to copy your ubuntu to the other drive |
| 00:10.42 | jim | and get it booting from that drive |
| 00:11.07 | Thorrn4 | no.... |
| 00:11.30 | jim | then what? |
| 00:11.37 | jim | just your /home? |
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| 00:12.19 | Thorrn4 | hd1 and hd2....I want to wipe hd2 and place files on it (not system files....but movies....music, etc) and when that is done...I want to FRESH install Debian on hd1 and use hd2 as extra storage |
| 00:12.24 | raf256 | how to dissalow the programs running in gnome-terminal from changing encoding/glyph table/fucking up the font (it happens in in examle one do: cat binary-file) |
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| 00:13.04 | jim | where are these files located? /home/you? |
| 00:13.23 | luulis | raf256: you mean it's changing terminal to graphics mode so everything printed becames trash? |
| 00:13.25 | Thorrn4 | "/home/me" and " /anime" |
| 00:13.28 | Thorrn4 | rixth, you would need the Firefox theme |
| 00:13.42 | jim | ok |
| 00:13.56 | Thorrn4 | rixth, under tools > themes |
| 00:13.57 | jim | how large is this other drive? |
| 00:14.00 | raf256 | luulis: yes |
| 00:14.09 | Thorrn4 | 80 gb as is this one |
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| 00:14.18 | jim | ok |
| 00:14.30 | luulis | raf256: my solution is to add ^O (ctrl-v O) to the beginning $PS1 variable |
| 00:14.34 | raf256 | (or whas is the command to restore normal mode?) |
| 00:14.37 | abrotman | raf256: don't cat binary files |
| 00:14.40 | raf256 | luulis: ok |
| 00:14.43 | raf256 | abrotman: no shit |
| 00:14.48 | rixth | Thorrn4, no, it's only the background that I want changed (not the buttons themselves). See the bland grey background behind the buttons, thats what I want to change. I never had to download a theme for it before. I just switched to openbox3 though but that shouyldn't matter. |
| 00:14.59 | raf256 | abrotman: dont eat yellow snow |
| 00:15.08 | hruske | hehe |
| 00:15.09 | pureone | ./usr/bin/reset i think |
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| 00:15.15 | abrotman | raf256: is that what happened to you ? |
| 00:15.24 | raf256 | abrotman: no |
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| 00:16.03 | rixth | And ideas when Firefox 1.0.5 will be in Etch? Debian is usually pretty fast with Firefox updated |
| 00:16.10 | abrotman | in etch ? |
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| 00:16.15 | abrotman | it's not even in sid yet |
| 00:16.17 | RedDot | hi |
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| 00:16.28 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 00:16.28 | rixth | Well then |
| 00:16.34 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7714 kB, Installed size: 21460 kB |
| 00:16.34 | jim | rixth: /msg dpkg wir |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | rixth: it will be in etch 2-10 days after it's in sid |
| 00:16.50 | abrotman | and there are no massive problems |
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| 00:17.03 | rixth | jim, I know that acronym already :) |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | HA! .. i have no car payment! |
| 00:17.21 | rbochan | abrotman: congrats |
| 00:17.24 | Thorrn4 | jim, I can do the trnasfers myself...its the wiping and formationg that I dont know |
| 00:17.30 | knighttemplar | HELP: i can't shutdown my pc , right ? cause the Kernel isnt loading the APMD , APM modules |
| 00:17.38 | abrotman | rbochan: yeah . i'm not the proud owner of a 2000 Jetta with 125k miles :) |
| 00:17.43 | knighttemplar | HELP: how can i add them to the /etc/modules? |
| 00:17.45 | raf256 | pureone: thnx |
| 00:17.51 | rbochan | heh, I just started making car payments again =/ |
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| 00:18.27 | Anders | !info mozilla-firefox experimental |
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| 00:18.34 | abrotman | knighttemplar: what kernel ? |
| 00:18.44 | abrotman | knighttemplar: err .. what cpu ? |
| 00:18.46 | Chile_Rox | alguien de chile? |
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| 00:18.52 | abrotman | !alguien |
| 00:18.52 | dpkg | i heard alguien is the Spanish word for "anyone". A definite clue that someone needs to join #debian-es.... |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:18.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:19.05 | Chile_Rox | ok thanx |
| 00:19.07 | nichos | how can i get /etc/network/interfaces (ifup) to run at boot? |
| 00:19.09 | Chile_Rox | dpkg |
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| 00:19.14 | Chile_Rox | :d |
| 00:19.20 | abrotman | nichos: it does already .. unless you did something to stop that |
| 00:19.28 | nichos | abrotman must've |
| 00:19.42 | raf256 | !abrotmansmite nichos |
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| 00:20.05 | knighttemplar | abrotman: 2.6.8 kernel |
| 00:20.11 | raf256 | whoops... I was thinking about guerinsmite apparently. |
| 00:20.15 | jim | Thorrn4: you would partition the drive, maybe remove any existing partitions (NOTE, there is NOTHING on this drive you want to keep, right?), put some partitions on, format them with the file system type of your choice (maybe ext3?), mount them somewhere out of the way and then copy away |
| 00:20.22 | knighttemplar | dkpg: alguien = someone |
| 00:20.36 | abrotman | nichos: there's no /etc/rcS.d/S40networking ? |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | knighttemplar: we know .. |
| 00:20.48 | nichos | raf256 huh? |
| 00:20.49 | abrotman | knighttemplar: what cpu |
| 00:20.55 | abrotman | nichos: ignore him |
| 00:20.56 | raf256 | nichos: never mind |
| 00:21.03 | kbrooks | i apparently forgot: UTC -> yes |
| 00:21.04 | abrotman | or /ignore him |
| 00:21.13 | raf256 | no, just the nevermind |
| 00:21.26 | nichos | abrotman there is, it has the ifup in there |
| 00:21.31 | knighttemplar | abrotman: compaq , PIII , 128 MB |
| 00:21.35 | abrotman | nichos: laptop ? |
| 00:21.41 | abrotman | knighttemplar: you might want acpi |
| 00:21.50 | nichos | abrotman no, but I was using dhcp before |
| 00:21.52 | Thorrn4 | jim, thank you |
| 00:21.52 | abrotman | knighttemplar: which PIII .. ? |
| 00:21.55 | knighttemplar | abrotman: THATS for a laptop ? |
| 00:22.06 | abrotman | nichos: oh .. so you just want to change the networking setup ? |
| 00:22.14 | knighttemplar | abrotman: 600Mhz |
| 00:22.32 | abrotman | knighttemplar: hrm .. tough call .. you will have to try acpid and apmd .. i'd try acpid first |
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| 00:22.42 | Withdraw | in the grub config what does the 2 and 0 represent in (hd0,2) |
| 00:22.48 | nichos | abrotman exactly, i configured the /etc/interaces/ file manually, and i issue ifup eth0 it works fine |
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| 00:22.50 | nichos | jsut not on boot |
| 00:22.57 | abrotman | Withdraw: hd0 .. prmiary master .. 2 .. partition 2 |
| 00:22.58 | knighttemplar | abrotman: sint's APCI for laps , im running a desktop here |
| 00:23.05 | rbochan | Withdraw: hda2 |
| 00:23.05 | abrotman | nichos: laptop ? |
| 00:23.12 | nichos | abrotman RE: no |
| 00:23.15 | abrotman | knighttemplar: no . it's for newer stuff .. APM is for older stuff |
| 00:23.15 | Withdraw | ok thanks |
| 00:23.32 | knighttemplar | abrotman: ok lete me get it then |
| 00:23.32 | Pred1 | i've installed apache2 with ssl and defined some virtual hosts, but all of this opens the same DocumentRoot. the http working perfectly, only the https hosts wrong. |
| 00:23.33 | abrotman | Withdraw: err .. might be partition 3 |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | !tell Mariele about away |
| 00:23.44 | bucky | nichos, edit /etc/network/interfaces and add auto eth0 near the top |
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| 00:24.20 | abrotman | nichos: if that still doesn't work .. you'll have ot show us your interfaces file |
| 00:24.21 | nichos | bucky ahhh, thanks, i disabled that, thought it was part of dhcp, because of the 'auto' part |
| 00:24.22 | knighttemplar | abrotman: what's the name of the package? |
| 00:24.28 | abrotman | !info acpid sarge |
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| 00:24.30 | bucky | nichos, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 00:24.30 | dpkg | acpid: (Utilities for using ACPI power management), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 00:24.45 | bsims | quick question how do I actually use apt-listbugs |
| 00:24.56 | abrotman | bsims: man apt-listbugs ? |
| 00:25.08 | knighttemplar | abrotman: not a stable version ? |
| 00:25.22 | abrotman | knighttemplar: what ? it's the same package for all of debian |
| 00:25.30 | bsims | abrotman: I read the FM but I still am wondering if I have to pipe the output of apt-get upgrade to it |
| 00:25.43 | abrotman | bsims: why would you do that ? |
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| 00:26.19 | fuag | i upgraded and im still on version 1.04 |
| 00:26.22 | fuag | *1.0.4 |
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| 00:26.39 | abrotman | fuag: did you dist-upgrade ? |
| 00:26.44 | bsims | I dunno know, the fine manual mentions the command `apt` that reads from standard input |
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| 00:26.59 | bsims | abrotman: I am just looking for an example <g> |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | bsims: but you're showing bugs .. |
| 00:27.07 | knighttemplar | abrotman: i got a you need to recompile your kernel mssg |
| 00:27.07 | fuag | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | knighttemplar: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 00:27.18 | fuag | abrotman: I'll try it again though |
| 00:27.26 | abrotman | fuag: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 00:27.34 | knighttemplar | abrotman: yes |
| 00:27.38 | abrotman | fuag: aptitude update;aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 00:27.54 | abrotman | knighttemplar: well .. that might be why it won't work .. acpid needs kernel stuffs |
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| 00:28.10 | knighttemplar | abrotman: what do you suggest? |
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| 00:28.28 | abrotman | knighttemplar: apt-cache show acpid .. either install a debian kernel . or fix yours |
| 00:28.34 | terr | I'm having a boot problem off FDD's - "ERR R" any ideas what this is? Any ideas where I can find the boot floppies for 3.7? |
| 00:28.41 | abrotman | 3.7? |
| 00:28.44 | abrotman | wtf is 3.7? |
| 00:28.46 | fuag | abrotman yeah aptitude dist-upgrade says 0 upgraded 0 newly installed, 0 to remove 0 not upgraded |
| 00:28.52 | bsims | abrotman: so it will show the bugs automagically when I do a normal upgrade? Gargle isn't helping much |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | fuag: try apt-get install alsa-base |
| 00:29.05 | abrotman | bsims: oh .. |
| 00:29.22 | fuag | alsa-base is already the newest version |
| 00:29.22 | terr | tje version. Oh shit - I meant to type this into the openBSD channel - sorry - I use debian too. |
| 00:29.24 | MrKeuner | what are the free irc bot options other than blootbot, which might be easier to setup and use? |
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| 00:29.31 | abrotman | fuag: dpkg -l alsa-base |
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| 00:29.52 | fuag | yet a cat /proc/asound/version says 1.0.4 |
| 00:30.16 | knighttemplar | abrotman: i have the 2.6.8 kernel now |
| 00:30.16 | fuag | and the alsa people said version 1.0.4 is wayyyy to old to support nforce.. check 1.0.9b |
| 00:30.17 | abrotman | that's not what i asked |
| 00:30.25 | abrotman | knighttemplar: but is it a debian packaged or your own ? |
| 00:30.30 | moshii | does anyone have experience of building busybox systems? |
| 00:30.31 | knighttemplar | debian packaged |
| 00:30.33 | abrotman | fuag: right .. dpkg -l alsa-base |
| 00:30.39 | abrotman | knighttemplar: then install acpid |
| 00:30.58 | bsims | abrotman: "oh..." what? Given the current state of sid I don't wanna try upgrading <g> |
| 00:30.59 | abrotman | knighttemplar: ihave a debian packaged kernel .. acpid works perfectly fine |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | bsims: that too .. but i'm reading |
| 00:31.14 | bsims | ok |
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| 00:31.26 | fuag | abrotman it puts out a lot of random stuff then says ii alsa-base 1.0.9b-2 ALSA driver configuration files |
| 00:31.30 | abrotman | bsims: you'd have to get apt-get to list just the packages .. then pipe them to apt-listbugs |
| 00:31.39 | knighttemplar | i removed it and installed again , got the same message its just a blue screeen but it ends and continues with the settings thingy |
| 00:31.39 | abrotman | fuag: uhm . have you rebooted yet ? |
| 00:31.45 | fuag | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:31.47 | vini | hi, please, Using Gnome, I'm trying to edit a file directly in ftp, with gedit. But why the file open read only. I have permissions |
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| 00:32.23 | abrotman | fuag: also try installing alsa-utils and alsa-oss |
| 00:32.25 | cartel_ | anyone know how i can strace a cgi-bin? |
| 00:32.25 | jim | vini: why directly? ftp was -never- meant as a filesystem |
| 00:32.45 | jim | just get the file to your local, edit, then put the file back |
| 00:32.45 | backtack | i have gcc 3.3 and 4.0 installed but when i do update-alternatives --config gcc it says no alternatives found what am i doing wrong? |
| 00:32.53 | fuag | thier both already installed and "the latest version" |
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| 00:33.19 | jim | backtack: ls /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 00:33.22 | abrotman | bsims: you tried -q ? |
| 00:33.24 | abrotman | or -qq ? |
| 00:33.29 | abrotman | or -qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq |
| 00:33.33 | cartel_ | it would really really help |
| 00:33.35 | jim | backtack, I don't think it uses alternatives |
| 00:33.49 | vini | jim, I create a virtual directory, with "Connect to Server", I can drag and drop files there, but if I try to edit, I can't |
| 00:33.59 | abrotman | fuag: what's in /proc/asound/version ? |
| 00:34.13 | deadcat | damn. vga output on ibook not working )= |
| 00:34.13 | jim | vini: so don't... |
| 00:34.21 | abrotman | deadcat: #debianppc ? |
| 00:34.25 | fuag | the version of alsa sound along with when it was installed and compiled |
| 00:34.26 | bsims | hrm abrotman with apt-get or apt-listbugs |
| 00:34.26 | jim | get the fiel, edit, put it back |
| 00:34.31 | fuag | and it says version 1.0.4 still |
| 00:34.35 | fuag | after a restart |
| 00:34.38 | abrotman | bsims: apt-get |
| 00:34.45 | abrotman | fuag: that's just messed |
| 00:34.46 | backtack | jim : /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 and some debug files |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | jim: you run sid ? |
| 00:34.54 | vini | jim, with KDE I can work on ftp files... with Gnome don't? |
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| 00:35.00 | abrotman | where's shingouz ? |
| 00:35.02 | jim | abrotman: no, stable |
| 00:35.05 | abrotman | hrm |
| 00:35.19 | jim | well sarge is in my sources.list to be exact |
| 00:35.21 | rixth | Woah. Just me, or has Gmail gone down? Minda unrelated but thats a big site. |
| 00:35.33 | abrotman | rixth: just you |
| 00:35.35 | jim | backtack: you can pick them that way |
| 00:35.50 | Guerin | backtack: /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 |
| 00:35.52 | jim | backtack: or gcc can select, I think |
| 00:35.56 | abrotman | fuag: can you /exec -o cat /proc/asound/version |
| 00:36.02 | rixth | I get one of those Javascript alerts when I login "Opps, the system was unable to perform your operation". abrotman yeah, the site is up but I mcan't get to my mail |
| 00:36.20 | vini | jim, then I'm using EditPlus with Wine, this Windows PHP Editor has FTP support |
| 00:36.28 | Guerin | vini: wtf |
| 00:36.29 | abrotman | rixth: nope .. works fine in opera |
| 00:36.35 | jim | ohno,,, you've opened up the /exec -o door ;) |
| 00:36.41 | shingouz | abrotman: he is here. be very scared |
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| 00:36.44 | vini | Guerin, what? |
| 00:36.47 | Guerin | vini: use a real editor - both vi[m] and emacs have ftp editing support |
| 00:36.55 | abrotman | shingouz: you're being quiet tonight |
| 00:37.00 | bsims | abrotman: Hrmph, `sudo apt-get -q update|apt-listbugs apt` bash: apt-listbugs: command not found |
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| 00:37.05 | abrotman | fuag: that was an irc command btw |
| 00:37.06 | Guerin | vini: using a windows editor in wine on unix is the stupidest thing since using mirc in wine for irc |
| 00:37.13 | abrotman | bsims: you did install it didn't you ? |
| 00:37.17 | shingouz | abrotman: yes, i am trying a rube goldberg install on the IBM pc110 here |
| 00:37.20 | jim | vini: that's a lot of net traffic to edit a file tho |
| 00:37.20 | backtack | jim: scuse my noobness i want to compile kernel with make-kpkg. should i change that link to point to 3.3? |
| 00:37.26 | abrotman | shingouz: you're weird |
| 00:37.26 | vini | Guerin, sorry, I don't like them |
| 00:37.27 | bsims | when according To The Fine Manual this should be proper and fitting |
| 00:37.33 | vini | Guerin, sorry, I don't like they |
| 00:37.39 | shingouz | abrotman: yes, i know that |
| 00:38.13 | bsims | abrotman: `bsims@c933657-a:~$ sudo dpkg -l|grep apt-listbugs` ii apt-listbugs 0.0.49 |
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| 00:38.19 | jim | backtack: you could do that... or you could somehow tell make-kpkg to set CC=gcc-3.3 (see the man page; there should be a way to do that |
| 00:38.20 | jim | ) |
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| 00:38.27 | abrotman | bsims: holy poo was that a abad idea |
| 00:38.32 | backtack | jim : thanks |
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| 00:38.39 | bsims | what was a bad idea abrotman |
| 00:38.40 | shingouz | abrotman: thing is, the pc110 does not have a nic, floppy, serial or parallel port. i need to install the system on a double height pcmcia drive on another laptop without network support. tricky |
| 00:38.50 | Guerin | vini: well, using windows apps in wine, all bets are off ... they may or may not work properly |
| 00:38.56 | abrotman | bsims: apt-get install robotfindskitten | apt-listbugs apt |
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| 00:39.08 | fuag | abrotman: used that command in the irc window |
| 00:39.08 | jim | backtack: if you don't find out or you have problems with the wording of the docs, let us know |
| 00:39.15 | abrotman | fuag: you did ? |
| 00:39.15 | fuag | abrotman: don't know what it did though |
| 00:39.19 | abrotman | fuag: nothign here |
| 00:39.23 | rixth | abrotman, now look what I get. http://spectrumenterprises.org/gmail.gif |
| 00:39.24 | abrotman | fuag: it should have pasted the file here |
| 00:39.33 | fuag | abrotman: hmm |
| 00:39.34 | rixth | Server Error. Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 00:39.38 | knighttemplar | abrotman: i downloaded the package again , but it doesn't seem to being loding it , how do i load it ? |
| 00:39.43 | Guerin | rixth: so wait |
| 00:39.44 | abrotman | rixth: stop using kde ? |
| 00:39.45 | fuag | abrotman: was the -o a -o or -0 |
| 00:39.49 | bsims | abrotman: hrm so I have to manually feed all the packages I want to update into this thing... Fark that noise with a cactus |
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| 00:39.57 | rixth | abrotman, Not using KDE.... |
| 00:40.01 | abrotman | fuag: -o .. little O . not a zero |
| 00:40.05 | abrotman | knighttemplar: reboot ? |
| 00:40.16 | rixth | abrotman, Openbox3 and fbpanel |
| 00:40.22 | fuag | hmm |
| 00:40.25 | abrotman | bsims: i don't use it much .. you might want to wait for a sid afficiandao |
| 00:40.28 | fuag | maybi i have to be running irc as root |
| 00:40.28 | abrotman | bah .. spelling sucks |
| 00:40.32 | fuag | *maybe |
| 00:40.33 | abrotman | fuag: no |
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| 00:40.48 | abrotman | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.4 (Mon May 17 14:31:44 2004 UTC). |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | Compiled on May 19 2005 for kernel 2.6.8-2-686. |
| 00:40.52 | abrotman | fuag: see |
| 00:40.55 | bsims | Too bad there is no official #Debian-Sid channel... |
| 00:41.04 | Guerin | bsims: this is it |
| 00:41.09 | rbochan | bsims: you're soaking in it :) |
| 00:41.10 | knighttemplar | abrotman: now it didn't come up with the blue screen message |
| 00:41.19 | knighttemplar | abrotman: ill reboot |
| 00:41.19 | fuag | ok i took of the -o and it worked |
| 00:41.20 | abrotman | knighttemplar: huh ? |
| 00:41.26 | abrotman | fuag: no it didn't :) |
| 00:41.29 | Guerin | bsims: but #debian helps sid users who help themselves |
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| 00:41.34 | fuag | sigh |
| 00:41.36 | abrotman | fuag: try -O ... |
| 00:41.38 | fuag | im using ksirc |
| 00:41.41 | abrotman | not zero .. capital o |
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| 00:41.45 | abrotman | bah . i don't know what ksirc supports |
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| 00:42.01 | Memcmeme | is there a debian solaris project yet? |
| 00:42.05 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:42.07 | fuag | just did with -O then with -o then with -0 |
| 00:42.11 | bsims | Guerin: indeed but usually its "You run Sid?!?, You Dumb Bastard" "Be Elsewhere" |
| 00:42.12 | Guerin | Memcmeme: what? |
| 00:42.12 | fuag | here |
| 00:42.14 | fuag | I'll type it out |
| 00:42.23 | abrotman | cut and paste ? |
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| 00:42.43 | abrotman | supybot ? |
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| 00:42.46 | Guerin | bsims: not if you have clue and appear to be using it... only if you go OMGLOL teh sid is b0rk3n, hlp me U FUX0RZ |
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| 00:42.54 | fuag | Advanced Linux Sound Architectur Driver Version 1.0.4 (Mon May 17 14:31:44 2004 UTC). compiled on May 19 2005 for kernel 2.6.8-2-386. |
| 00:42.58 | bsims | Guerin: heh true |
| 00:43.00 | fuag | *Compiled |
| 00:43.07 | abrotman | fuag: you type fast :) |
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| 00:43.24 | fuag | abrotman: w3r7 |
| 00:43.31 | abrotman | uhm |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | fuag: dpkg -l alsa-base |
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| 00:44.03 | abrotman | fuag: oh wait .. can you /j #flood |
| 00:44.11 | fuag | ok |
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| 00:45.23 | abrotman | fuag: apt-cache showpkg alsa-base |
| 00:45.29 | abrotman | err |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | fuag: apt-cache show alsa-base | grep Version |
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| 00:46.19 | fuag | lol |
| 00:46.20 | bsims | `locate apt-listbugs` doesn't show any /bin WTF |
| 00:46.23 | fuag | Versions: |
| 00:46.37 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 00:46.40 | fuag | yep |
| 00:46.45 | abrotman | bsims: install it! |
| 00:46.46 | fuag | lmao |
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| 00:46.53 | asd | msg dpkg dosbox |
| 00:46.55 | abrotman | fuag: no .. really |
| 00:46.56 | bsims | abrotman: It is installed you dolt |
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| 00:47.04 | abrotman | bsims: updatedb! |
| 00:47.04 | Vladi | hi, im using sarge and have snort installed, i have added -q option to /etc/default/snort and /etc/snort/snort.debian.conf but i still get like 2 pages worth of initialization stuff in my logs every time it runs can somone help? |
| 00:47.06 | abrotman | you dolt! |
| 00:47.17 | abrotman | bsims: that might help :) |
| 00:47.18 | nephlim | hey guys, how do i get grub to boot with a gui, so that i can select my frontend to x? |
| 00:47.19 | fuag | abrotman seriously apt-cache showpkg alsa-base| grep version shows "Versions:" |
| 00:47.20 | bsims | heh ok |
| 00:47.24 | abrotman | fuag: not showpkg |
| 00:47.26 | abrotman | fuag: just show |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | and Version |
| 00:47.30 | Pr0ph3t | hi all! Someone have a notebook with a usb mouse ? My mouse stop after a while on X, this thing is making me crazy! |
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| 00:47.34 | abrotman | fuag: or -i version |
| 00:47.51 | fuag | here i did iwthout the grep, I'll copy teh thing after versions: |
| 00:47.54 | sanxiyn | Pr0ph3t: which mouse |
| 00:48.00 | fuag | Versions: (hard return) |
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| 00:48.07 | abrotman | fuag: apt-cache SHOW alsa-base .. not showpkg |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | but lowercase |
| 00:48.15 | rbochan | heh |
| 00:48.21 | abrotman | fuag: and grep -i version |
| 00:48.35 | Pr0ph3t | sanxiyn satellite |
| 00:48.38 | fuag | 1.0.9b-2(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) |
| 00:48.39 | abrotman | apt-cache show alsa-base | grep Version |
| 00:48.51 | Pr0ph3t | sanxiyn its a generic optical usb mouse |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | fuag: this is pretty freaky now |
| 00:49.11 | fuag | ah |
| 00:49.12 | fuag | there we go |
| 00:49.15 | bsims | Sigh /me ponders filing a bugreport against listbugs as the manpage doesn't show an example of how to use the frelling thing |
| 00:49.17 | fuag | Version: 1.0.9b-2 |
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| 00:49.23 | abrotman | fuag: huh ? |
| 00:49.25 | StuckMojo | did x.org get rolled off or something? |
| 00:49.27 | abrotman | oah ok |
| 00:49.32 | StuckMojo | er..rolled back? |
| 00:49.33 | abrotman | StuckMojo: rolled off what ? |
| 00:49.35 | fuag | i was using apt-cache showpkg, not show |
| 00:49.42 | abrotman | fuag: dpkg -l libasound2 |
| 00:49.44 | Guerin | StuckMojo: eh? |
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| 00:49.52 | StuckMojo | that's a no ;) |
| 00:49.56 | StuckMojo | k, nevermind |
| 00:49.58 | fuag | 1.0.9-2 |
| 00:50.05 | abrotman | fuag: oh .. this is just odd |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | fuag: alsaconf still does nothing ? |
| 00:50.18 | valkor | has anyone else had the problem with a libaspell version conflict between what koffice and gaim wants? |
| 00:50.19 | fuag | yeah |
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| 00:50.52 | sanxiyn | valkor: Yes. So don't do it. |
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| 00:51.02 | sanxiyn | (gaim works fine for me though?) |
| 00:51.04 | valkor | sanxiyn: don't do what? |
| 00:51.12 | sanxiyn | valkor: Don't install conflicting version. |
| 00:51.22 | abrotman | fuag: so . you have .. all the right packages installed ? |
| 00:51.28 | valkor | koffice requires it, and i require koffice :P |
| 00:51.39 | nephlim | how do i get grub to use it's gui at boot? |
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| 00:51.46 | fuag | abrotman: yeah hmm, it might be easier to compile the nvsound kernel module manually |
| 00:51.51 | sanxiyn | valkor: If you have it already, don't upgrade, if not, wait a few days, or do not use unstable. |
| 00:51.58 | fuag | abrotman: do you know how to do stuff like that? |
| 00:52.04 | abrotman | fuag: no nvidia :) |
| 00:52.07 | bsims | sigh |
| 00:52.08 | abrotman | fuag: i have another idea |
| 00:52.19 | mngrif | sanxiyn: it's been like this for the past month, i'd figure someone would've enountered it |
| 00:52.28 | abrotman | fuag: try a newer kernel . maybe the newer alsa won't work with the old one |
| 00:52.36 | abrotman | fuag: and i don't mean from kernel.org |
| 00:52.42 | sanxiyn | mngrif: Wait a few days. |
| 00:52.45 | quitte_ | nephlim you realize this has nothing to do with x? |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | fuag: as in .. |
| 00:52.56 | abrotman | fuag: go to #flood again |
| 00:53.24 | kbrooks | lol |
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| 00:53.47 | jazzanova | how can i do PXE install, if i already have a dhcp server on the network, that i don't control ? |
| 00:53.57 | nephlim | quitte, no i don't. i'm new. I just know that before it would bu with a gui so i could chose kde, xfce, etc. now i have to type startx and it runs the last one i used |
| 00:54.01 | jazzanova | how do I make sure that it won't be chosen ? |
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| 00:54.20 | force | Hi, I just built a 2.6.12.2 kernel and my usb mouse has stopped working in X11 |
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| 00:54.30 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 00:54.30 | dpkg | somebody said usb mouse was "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 00:54.34 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 00:54.34 | dpkg | i heard usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 00:54.37 | SDFH_Linux | is 2.6.12 in unstable yet |
| 00:54.45 | abrotman | no |
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| 00:54.51 | abrotman | err .. wait |
| 00:55.08 | force | ok ill go and read that ;) thanks |
| 00:55.40 | quitte_ | nephlim then install some display manager like xdm gdm wdm kdm... still grub has nothing to do with it. |
| 00:55.58 | nephlim | quitte, okay man, that's all i needed to know |
| 00:56.03 | nephlim | like i said i'm new |
| 00:56.06 | andares | Hi. |
| 00:56.07 | nephlim | thanks |
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| 00:56.18 | andares | Why does APT not have Wine in it?!?! |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | it does |
| 00:56.27 | abrotman | apt-cache search wine |
| 00:56.31 | abrotman | !tell andares about wine |
| 00:56.36 | abrotman | err |
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| 00:56.39 | abrotman | !tell andares about search |
| 00:56.40 | knighttemplar | abrotman: didn't load the modules |
| 00:56.49 | andares | Erm... I did search. |
| 00:56.53 | andares | No matches returned. |
| 00:56.55 | abrotman | knighttemplar: you can try apmd then |
| 00:56.59 | andares | (I'm using Ubuntu if it makes any difference) |
| 00:57.04 | abrotman | andares: are you using debian ? |
| 00:57.13 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:57.13 | dpkg | it has been said that ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 00:57.22 | andares | Debian through Ubuntu. |
| 00:57.25 | andares | >.< |
| 00:57.36 | StuckMojo | silly question, whats the ENV var for g++? (like CC=gcc) |
| 00:57.52 | knighttemplar | abrotman: doesn't work mate |
| 00:58.06 | quitte_ | StuckMojo: CPP |
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| 00:58.15 | StuckMojo | nah, that's the preprocessor |
| 00:58.17 | abrotman | knighttemplar: so neither acpi or apm works ? |
| 00:58.20 | StuckMojo | wait, i think it's CXX |
| 00:58.33 | quitte_ | StuckMojo: oh right, sorry |
| 00:59.11 | abrotman | i got lost |
| 00:59.13 | StuckMojo | quitte_ thanks for the effort ;) |
| 00:59.22 | brenda | I installed ubuntu a few days ago |
| 00:59.26 | brenda | what a mess that distro is |
| 00:59.29 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:59.29 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 00:59.43 | abrotman | brenda: oh wait .. there's more to the story ? |
| 00:59.55 | Nurbs | yay. |
| 01:00.01 | deadcat | brenda: wrong channel |
| 01:00.05 | abrotman | no wait |
| 01:00.13 | brenda | I guess... I just put my sarge disc in |
| 01:00.15 | abrotman | i think brenda is going to say it sucks .. then brenda gets a beer! |
| 01:00.17 | Nurbs | apt-get dist-upgrade is so ... eww. I wonder whether X will still work X) |
| 01:00.19 | abrotman | !beer brenda |
| 01:00.23 | brenda | lol |
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| 01:00.33 | deadcat | brenda: so you sarge or ubuntu? |
| 01:00.39 | brenda | sarge |
| 01:00.48 | brenda | many many sarges |
| 01:00.54 | brenda | about 20 or so |
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| 01:01.09 | moparfan90_ | i am going to have a small lan party a my house and want to know if battlefield 2 is a good game for tha |
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| 01:01.33 | abrotman | moparfan90_: defintely .. the wrong channel |
| 01:01.42 | brenda | lol |
| 01:01.45 | moparfan90_ | oo haha |
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| 01:02.24 | backtack | moparfan unreal tourn and enemy territory |
| 01:02.28 | brenda | ubuntu is a distro as much as me throwing a piece of mud on the cement is a sculpture |
| 01:02.29 | deadcat | damn. its hot here and my ibook fan is spin'in... |
| 01:02.43 | moparfan90_ | ok ill try that thanks |
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| 01:04.14 | knighttemplar | abrotman: APM works , but a black screen comes , and doesn't say if it's killing the processes and after that it shuts down , i don't wanna damage my pc |
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| 01:05.01 | abrotman | knighttemplar: then i wouldn't attempt to use either .. not all implementations of APM and ACPI work properly |
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| 01:05.45 | glick | excuse me, is there an easy to use powerful webbased firewall for debian? |
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| 01:05.52 | glick | kina like smoothwall? |
| 01:05.59 | abrotman | like .. smoothwall ? |
| 01:06.02 | abrotman | !info smoothwall sarge |
| 01:06.11 | glick | i cant run smoothwall on sparc |
| 01:06.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:06.17 | Guerin | glick: your stupidity continues to amaze me |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | !m0n0 |
| 01:06.26 | abrotman | what is it |
| 01:06.28 | abrotman | where's stew |
| 01:06.32 | abrotman | !m0n0wall |
| 01:06.32 | dpkg | [monowall] a freebsd based firewall that provides a web based configuration and will run off a 8mb CF card: http://m0n0.ch/wall |
| 01:06.32 | MrKeuner | is it Trash instead of .Trash anymore? |
| 01:06.36 | Guerin | m0n0wall is a different beast |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:06.41 | glick | Guerin, amazing is my middle name |
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| 01:06.47 | abrotman | glick: though .. may not be in mdebian |
| 01:06.51 | knighttemplar | abrotman: so i do it manually , and give uo ? |
| 01:07.00 | Guerin | abrotman: um ... it's bsd-based |
| 01:07.07 | abrotman | knighttemplar: did you try linux-laptop.net ? |
| 01:07.08 | timt | using the command line, is there a way to download files off a windows machine and share it all done with samba from the command line? |
| 01:07.11 | abrotman | Guerin: and runs on linux |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | i think |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | wait |
| 01:07.17 | abrotman | NM |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | !fuck me |
| 01:07.23 | glick | or a bsd based firewall' |
| 01:07.27 | glick | doesnt matter to me |
| 01:07.27 | Guerin | timt: everything on unix can be done at the command line. |
| 01:07.27 | HenryV | is there any way to install the standard kde 3.3.2 (i need kdelibs4 for amarok) in unstable right now? It's been puking for several days on missing libaspell15, since it went to libaspell15c2 |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | glick: ignore me |
| 01:07.37 | abrotman | glick: it's a whole distro i think |
| 01:07.44 | knighttemplar | abrotman: does it matter if im using a desktop? |
| 01:07.56 | abrotman | knighttemplar: gah .. osrry . got you confused |
| 01:08.02 | Guerin | HenryV: remove libaspell |
| 01:08.04 | abrotman | knighttemplar: first .. update your bios if you can |
| 01:08.13 | Wyzard | HenryV: Probably not... KDE is written in C++, and unstable is in the middle of a transition from GCC 3.3 to 4.0, which requires recompiling every C++ package |
| 01:08.18 | HenryV | Guerin: i did. libaspell is not in unstable any more |
| 01:08.19 | timt | does anyone know which directory to go to to find files shared on a windows machine? |
| 01:08.23 | knighttemplar | abrotman: im afraid of doing that don't wanna burn my motherboard |
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| 01:08.30 | abrotman | knighttemplar: erm .. ok |
| 01:08.33 | HenryV | Wyzard: yikes. ok thanks |
| 01:08.41 | deadcat | timt: depends where you mount it. we have no idea |
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| 01:08.58 | HenryV | Guerin, let me clarify. libaspell15 is not in unstable. libaspell15c2 seems to have totally replaced it |
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| 01:09.02 | michal__ | think I found a bug in courier-pop3d |
| 01:09.06 | abrotman | knighttemplar: this is why apm/acpi suck :) |
| 01:09.07 | ksejajs | anyone can help me answer a vnc server question? |
| 01:09.08 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | !apm |
| 01:09.10 | dpkg | from memory, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 01:09.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, apm is Advanced Power Management. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Power_Management |
| 01:09.15 | Wyzard | HenryV: The "-c2" packages are the new GCC 4.0 versions |
| 01:09.23 | Guerin | HenryV: yes. |
| 01:09.26 | karsten | !tell ksejajs about ask |
| 01:09.33 | michal__ | it logs as courierpop3login rather than pop3login as other packages expect it to and to match imaplogin (rather than courierimaplogin) |
| 01:09.36 | Guerin | HenryV: uninstall it. |
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| 01:09.44 | HenryV | Guerin: it is |
| 01:09.48 | Guerin | HenryV: or don't, and live without the things it's blocking |
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| 01:10.12 | Guerin | HenryV: ok. The issue here is the c++ abi transition from g++ 4 |
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| 01:10.32 | knighttemplar | abrotman: should i switch distro then ? |
| 01:10.36 | HenryV | Guerin, yessir |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | knighttemplar: why ? |
| 01:10.39 | Wyzard | HenryV: The packages that depend on libaspell15 will eventually be recompiled with GCC 4.0, and will then depend on libaspell15c2 instead |
| 01:10.45 | Guerin | HenryV: until all the c++ programs in debian are rebuilt, it's going to be an issue |
| 01:10.47 | ksejajs | karsten: sorry, i have a tightvnc server running, but i want the user to login to different session evertime the user connects based on his userid and password, i just dunno how to do that |
| 01:10.51 | abrotman | knighttemplar: it cuold be a broken implementation of apm/acpi |
| 01:10.55 | HenryV | ok, understood |
| 01:10.55 | knighttemplar | abrotman: with my other 2.6.11 kernel everything work beutifully |
| 01:10.58 | abrotman | knighttemplar: i'd be googling |
| 01:11.02 | abrotman | knighttemplar: you're on sarge ? |
| 01:11.03 | knighttemplar | thanks |
| 01:11.06 | knighttemplar | nope woody |
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| 01:11.09 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 01:11.14 | karsten | ksejajs: Googlel for vnc inetd |
| 01:11.15 | abrotman | knighttemplar: no wonder it doesn't work :) |
| 01:11.21 | abrotman | knighttemplar: why are you on woody ? |
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| 01:11.28 | abrotman | !tell knighttemplar about woody->sarge |
| 01:11.31 | knighttemplar | stable version , though it's old |
| 01:11.37 | karsten | ksejajs: You can set up a VNC server that allows remote connections, something like XDMCP, but with much heavier server load. |
| 01:11.38 | ksejajs | karseten: i did use xinetd and each uses different port for diff resolution |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | knighttemplar: dunno if you heard .. sarge was released :) |
| 01:11.44 | abrotman | knighttemplar: uname -a |
| 01:11.48 | ksejajs | okay |
| 01:11.50 | abrotman | knighttemplar: what does it say ? |
| 01:11.56 | michal__ | seems to be a naming convention problem.. courierpop3login vs imaplogin |
| 01:12.01 | Anders | in what package does xorgconfig reside? |
| 01:12.06 | knighttemplar | 2.6.4. bla bla bla |
| 01:12.11 | abrotman | !find bin/xorgconfig sid |
| 01:12.13 | karsten | ksejajs: Yes, you need to do that, as the server can't autodetect resolution. |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | knighttemplar: in woody ?> |
| 01:12.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/xorgconfig' returned no results. |
| 01:12.26 | knighttemplar | Linux linuxserver 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:12.27 | abrotman | knighttemplar: i'd really upgrade to sarge |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | knighttemplar: are you running sarge or not ? |
| 01:12.55 | knighttemplar | abrotman: nope im not |
| 01:12.59 | abrotman | knighttemplar: you are |
| 01:13.05 | Guerin | Anders: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:13.06 | abrotman | knighttemplar: show me your sources in #flood |
| 01:13.11 | dsevilla | knighttemplar, come on, man. I've been telling you to UPGRADE TO SARGE all the night long |
| 01:13.11 | Anders | Guerin, ok |
| 01:13.38 | karsten | ksejajs: Is that a problem for you? |
| 01:13.45 | ksejajs | karsten: ok , i used this http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xvnc_terminal_server |
| 01:14.06 | karsten | ksejajs: Sec. |
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| 01:14.10 | ksejajs | karsten: no i just want to use a vnc to login to another manchine |
| 01:14.24 | ksejajs | karsten: and i want to use debian as a middle man |
| 01:14.40 | ksejajs | sort of like hop on and hop off to another machine |
| 01:14.43 | karsten | ksejajs: Sure. Is this for your own use or for multiple users? |
| 01:14.50 | abrotman | where'd fuag go ? |
| 01:14.58 | steve_ | hey- how do i set a debian machine to have a static ip address? |
| 01:14.58 | force | consider ssh forwarding? |
| 01:14.59 | ksejajs | for multiple users based on their usernames |
| 01:15.03 | karsten | ksejajs: ...and IMO SSH w/ +x is a largely better option. |
| 01:15.11 | abrotman | !tell steve_ about interfaces |
| 01:15.33 | karsten | ksejajs: 'vncviewer host:port' should work for you, no? |
| 01:15.38 | karsten | steve_: man interfaces |
| 01:15.54 | ksejajs | karsten: it does but it only opens the default admin screen |
| 01:15.56 | steve_ | i mean- remotely!!! |
| 01:16.14 | ksejajs | say if i am running one admin desktop screen on my server |
| 01:16.15 | steve_ | i cant take it down or else i'll lose conection |
| 01:16.24 | karsten | ksejajs: WTF is "default admin screen"? |
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| 01:16.32 | abrotman | steve_: why not ? |
| 01:16.40 | karsten | steve_: You can bind multiple addresses. |
| 01:16.52 | karsten | steve_: ...and you can bounce the interface if you're good at it. |
| 01:16.58 | karsten | steve_: ...use screen for your session. |
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| 01:17.09 | karsten | steve_: What's the IP now and how is it configured? |
| 01:17.09 | abrotman | steve_: ...and pray |
| 01:17.16 | abrotman | dhcp ? |
| 01:17.18 | ksejajs | karsten: sorry dude, if i give it a password at the vncserver |
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| 01:17.30 | ksejajs | i mena if i run a vncserver at prompt line |
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| 01:17.38 | ksejajs | it asks me for a password |
| 01:17.55 | ksejajs | and if i put that password into my vnc client, i see the vnc server desktop |
| 01:17.56 | karsten | ksejajs: Parse error. |
| 01:18.18 | karsten | ksejajs: If you set up the inetd solution you don't have to run vncserver at cmdline. |
| 01:18.27 | ksejajs | karsten: ok got it |
| 01:18.30 | abrotman | knighttemplar: you're running sarge already |
| 01:18.42 | knighttemplar | yeah i read it in the other channel |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | knighttemplar: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:18.54 | knighttemplar | sooo what difference does it make |
| 01:18.55 | abrotman | knighttemplar: you said PIII right ? |
| 01:18.58 | ksejajs | karsten: so everytime a user connects they get a different desktop screen? |
| 01:18.59 | karsten | ksejajs: The whole idea is that inetd is waiting for incoming connections and spawns vncserver for you. |
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| 01:19.05 | knighttemplar | abrotman: YES |
| 01:19.09 | abrotman | OK |
| 01:19.11 | karsten | ksejajs: Yes. |
| 01:19.11 | abrotman | knighttemplar: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:19.13 | ksejajs | karsten: okay sure, thanks |
| 01:19.24 | knighttemplar | abrotman: i already got the 2.6 kernel |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | knighttemplar: DO EET! |
| 01:19.46 | FieldySnuts | !smite abrotman |
| 01:19.47 | ksejajs | karsten: let me try this and come back |
| 01:19.53 | ksejajs | karsten: thanks a lot for ur help |
| 01:19.57 | MobyTurbo | knighttemplar: there are processor-specific 2.6 kernels. |
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| 01:20.11 | MobyTurbo | !ur |
| 01:20.11 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: why ... i thought you liked me! |
| 01:20.23 | knighttemplar | abrotman: ok ok ! |
| 01:20.24 | karsten | ksejajs: NP |
| 01:20.37 | karsten | !win MobyTurbo |
| 01:20.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, MobyTurbo! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 01:20.40 | knighttemplar | abrotman: i gotta go brb in an hour |
| 01:20.52 | abrotman | knighttemplar: ok |
| 01:20.55 | knighttemplar | abrotman: MSG me if you need something or give me a mail |
| 01:21.05 | abrotman | knighttemplar: install that kernel while you're gone :) |
| 01:21.05 | knighttemplar | abrotman: ill update you later |
| 01:21.10 | knighttemplar | abrotman |
| 01:21.12 | knighttemplar | doing it |
| 01:21.31 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:22.20 | jazzanova | http://www.goethe.de/oe/mos/rukurpl.htm#A2 |
| 01:22.22 | abrotman | knighttemplar: did you leave ? |
| 01:22.29 | jazzanova | sorry, wrong window |
| 01:22.47 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: maybe he's getting ready to prepare |
| 01:23.01 | abrotman | i just realized the acpi site has a list of crap for each model |
| 01:23.05 | jazzanova | those are in rubles |
| 01:23.39 | FieldySnuts | and we care why? |
| 01:23.56 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: care about what ? |
| 01:24.05 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: why is there no fieldysmite ? |
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| 01:24.58 | d3s | Hello, I have this external USB HD and I have no problem mounting it. But, I can't get it mounted at the first time while I was doing booting. I did put the mounting script on my user .bashrc and put the mount point on /etc/fstab. I can easilly use this using another partition on my primary internal HD, but not this external HD. What I do now, is to remove the HD, when bootup sequence is done, put the USB HD back and mount it. How can I mo |
| 01:24.58 | d3s | unt without to re-plug it? |
| 01:25.04 | fuag | sigh.. still no sound |
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| 01:25.14 | abrotman | fuag: still nothign ? |
| 01:25.18 | FieldySnuts | wenas who uses sound lol? |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | fuag: did /proc/asound/version change ? |
| 01:25.38 | fuag | abotman: yeah still no sound and it still says its 1.0.4 |
| 01:25.41 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: say $randnick |
| 01:25.41 | dpkg | $randnick |
| 01:25.43 | FieldySnuts | darn |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | ack . i'm a botman! |
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| 01:26.04 | fuag | abrotman: but this team when it says setting up alsa it doesnt say not configured afterwords.. it says done ^ ^ |
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| 01:26.25 | abrotman | fuag: really ? |
| 01:26.31 | abrotman | fuag: are you in the audio group ? |
| 01:26.48 | fuag | abrotman I forgot where the file is |
| 01:26.54 | asg | is he in the blue man group? |
| 01:26.55 | abrotman | which file ? |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 01:27.05 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:27.12 | asg | abrotman: hiya |
| 01:27.15 | abrotman | oh wait .. asg is making jokes .. |
| 01:27.21 | fuag | abrotman: the one where you specify groups |
| 01:27.26 | Guerin | must be pubtime |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | !audio |
| 01:27.28 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 01:27.43 | FieldySnuts | sg command? |
| 01:27.44 | asg | Guerin: pubtime started 12 hours ago |
| 01:27.56 | abrotman | asg: beer!!! |
| 01:27.56 | fuag | abrotman: already a member of 'audio' |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | fuag: okeedokee .. you ran alsaconf also ? |
| 01:28.17 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: are you running sid or etch ? |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | asg: are you ? |
| 01:28.21 | fuag | abrotman: yeah, still says there are no pci cards to fit my driver |
| 01:28.25 | asg | abrotman: yes, best way to fight aches, pains, colds, and general malaise |
| 01:29.04 | De_Mon | hmm I can still ping this server, but when I turned the monitor on, I saw a coredump |
| 01:29.11 | abrotman | i can't believe /proc/asound/version still says 1.0.4 |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | which .. makes ZERO sense |
| 01:29.33 | fuag | does that mean for some reason the system is still using 1.0.4 even though i have 1.0.9b-2 installed? |
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| 01:29.51 | De_Mon | but -- since i've rebooted, I can't find the the dump... |
| 01:30.01 | abrotman | fuag: alsactl --version |
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| 01:30.14 | dli | recommend an IM for yahoo Messenger? gaim seems to be so buggy |
| 01:30.21 | fuag | 1.0.9a |
| 01:30.22 | abrotman | centericq ? |
| 01:30.24 | abrotman | fuag: yay |
| 01:30.31 | abrotman | fuag: what now ? |
| 01:30.35 | abrotman | oh i know .. |
| 01:30.37 | abrotman | !kill nvidia |
| 01:30.40 | asg | dli: bitlbee |
| 01:30.43 | SDFH_Linux | kopete |
| 01:30.49 | fuag | abrotman: lol |
| 01:30.50 | abrotman | people use kopete ? |
| 01:30.56 | fuag | gaim |
| 01:31.02 | abrotman | fuag: read his question |
| 01:31.10 | De_Mon | dli centericq |
| 01:31.24 | dli | abrotman: asg: centericq and bitlbee are international? need to support Chinese |
| 01:31.25 | De_Mon | bitlbee is good too |
| 01:31.26 | fuag | lol |
| 01:31.27 | abrotman | fuag: so .. you have no sound as root or anyone ? |
| 01:31.34 | abrotman | dli: uhm .. nfc |
| 01:31.36 | fuag | abrotman: nope |
| 01:31.40 | abrotman | gah |
| 01:31.47 | De_Mon | don't chineese use english too? |
| 01:31.56 | mfrisch | I can't install a video player with xorg? |
| 01:31.59 | abrotman | fuag: see if #alsa has a better idea now .. since you are running thier version they wanted you to ... |
| 01:32.02 | De_Mon | mfrisch why not? |
| 01:32.03 | asg | dli: that I don't know; It's a python irc -> IM gateway but I don't know if it's internationalized. |
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| 01:32.10 | fuag | abrotman: k, brb |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | fuag: i really wonder if OSS crap is loading |
| 01:32.13 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
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| 01:32.29 | abrotman | paul_: 915G man! |
| 01:32.36 | dli | De_Mon: that doesn't say English can replace all |
| 01:32.37 | paul_ | hey brot |
| 01:33.00 | EnsignRedshirt | I picked up a scanner on ebay that uses a SCSI interface, and it came with a SCSI-to-Firewire converter. Any chance I'll be able to make this work with Firewire? |
| 01:33.11 | abrotman | they make those ? |
| 01:33.13 | mfrisch | It installs a different lib, unistalls gdm and borks x |
| 01:33.23 | paul_ | im on ubuntu now |
| 01:33.24 | dli | asg: the new gaim 1.4.0 messed up with Chinese input |
| 01:33.39 | FieldySnuts | yell at #gaim |
| 01:33.56 | paul_ | wont be taking a crack at deb till i get moved |
| 01:33.57 | abrotman | and #chinese! |
| 01:34.21 | asg | dli: okay. You could always downgrade to the previous working gaim (/msg dpkg sdn) |
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| 01:35.13 | dli | asg: just want to see whether other choices available |
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| 01:35.33 | EnsignRedshirt | dmesg reports many lines of "ieee1394: Error parsing configrom for node 0-0*:1023" (Replace * with alternating 0 and 1) |
| 01:35.37 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 01:35.41 | asg | dli: fair enough |
| 01:35.50 | abrotman | !wine asg |
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| 01:36.04 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 01:36.09 | asg | abrotman: I never mix, though I did have a Chicken Florentine this evening that had a little wine in it. |
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| 01:36.38 | abrotman | fua1: they help at all ? |
| 01:36.54 | asg | abrotman: I helped but she does have the mad cooking skillz |
| 01:37.06 | fua1 | abrotman: nope, havn't gottten a responce yet |
| 01:37.08 | backtack | trying to compile kernel 2.6.11 with gcc3.3 compile goes fine but when i try to install get error: user hook script /sbin/update-grub failed at /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-2.6.11custom1.postinst line 967 |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | asg: i need to come back to NC! |
| 01:37.22 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:37.29 | abrotman | i need a vacation |
| 01:37.31 | fua1 | abrotman: and I checked the nvidia site and cant find any mention of nvsound |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | fua1: i'm not surprised |
| 01:37.58 | paul_ | vacation from sitting on yer butt in here all day? lol |
| 01:38.06 | FieldySnuts | troll? |
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| 01:38.17 | EnsignRedshirt | dmesg also showed this: "ohci1394: fw-host0: AT dma reset ctx=0, aborting transmission" |
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| 01:38.22 | abrotman | paul_: right .. and helping people like you :) |
| 01:38.29 | paul_ | lol |
| 01:38.39 | abrotman | paul_: i take short vacations about every other month .. but i'd like a longer one |
| 01:38.54 | paul_ | where you go? |
| 01:39.10 | abrotman | NC,WI,ME,MA .. |
| 01:39.10 | borojer | help, i am asked to use a disk image as whatever disk image i've been using as my root disk in the debian uml, i used the disk image as my root file system but that didn't work plz help |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | hrm . |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | last real one was to NOLA |
| 01:39.27 | paul_ | hell go to vegas and get a hooker |
| 01:39.32 | abrotman | no |
| 01:39.37 | FieldySnuts | ew |
| 01:39.38 | abrotman | i certainly don't need to pay for it |
| 01:39.43 | abrotman | i turn it away as it is |
| 01:39.45 | paul_ | lol |
| 01:39.50 | FieldySnuts | !date abrotman |
| 01:39.52 | backtack | i have compiled many times before without this error |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:40.00 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i love humping foam! |
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| 01:40.05 | FieldySnuts | er. |
| 01:40.15 | asg | paul_: he did come down to NC; that's worse than getting a hooker in NV |
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| 01:40.31 | paul_ | nothings worse than a pro in vegas hehe |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | paul_: i guess hte next one will hopefully be next month . MV/NT .. probably month after will be WA .. enough vaca for you ? |
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| 01:41.07 | paul_ | more than i get brot |
| 01:41.13 | paul_ | i take the winters off |
| 01:41.15 | abrotman | yeah .. who's got the fat ass now ? |
| 01:41.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:41.24 | paul_ | i work construction hehe |
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| 01:41.29 | FieldySnuts | splat |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | wow |
| 01:41.37 | qtipk | are hardcore linux/debian n00bs allowed to get help without being harrassed? |
| 01:41.43 | FieldySnuts | not often you see an akick here |
| 01:41.46 | asg | FieldySnuts: who did he piss off? |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | ChanServ: you da wo/man |
| 01:41.53 | FieldySnuts | hardcore n00b is an oxymoron |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | qtipk: some do... |
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| 01:42.13 | drraid | My debian net-inst boot on this specific computer loses keyboard input once it gets past the initial boot menu, is this a common problem? |
| 01:42.19 | paul_ | this is just how i maintain a little sanity in a crazy world |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | qtipk: you have to show a willingness to read .. then you're perfectly fine |
| 01:42.35 | qtipk | i at least need to get my mbr woring |
| 01:42.40 | qtipk | working |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | qtipk: NOOOOB .. |
| 01:42.44 | drraid | Is there a special-boot option i can enable to figure out if its changin keyboard input maybe? |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | qtipk: sorry |
| 01:42.57 | raf256 | abrotman: me too \o/ just read most p-o-m and iptables readme while patching 2.6.12 |
| 01:42.57 | abrotman | qtipk: did you install grub or lilo ? |
| 01:42.59 | qtipk | abrotman: yeah.... |
| 01:43.05 | abrotman | which |
| 01:43.25 | qtipk | abrotman: i had grub from the debian 3.1 install |
| 01:43.35 | abrotman | qtipk: so what's wrong with the MBR? |
| 01:43.40 | abrotman | raf256: your ISP sucks |
| 01:43.53 | qtipk | abrotman: well my debian install is locking up at random |
| 01:43.53 | raf256 | abrotman: yes it does |
| 01:44.12 | abrotman | qtipk: and your MBR is related how ? |
| 01:44.13 | qtipk | abrotman: and it cuts out during the grub install, if not before |
| 01:44.23 | qtipk | abrotman: and now it's effed |
| 01:44.31 | raf256 | abrotman: I shell smite them tommorow morning, just after I buy a big showel |
| 01:44.32 | FieldySnuts | sounds like hardware issues (overheating, shitty power supply etc) |
| 01:44.35 | abrotman | qtipk: did you run memtest ? |
| 01:44.50 | abrotman | raf256: and get a new keyboard |
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| 01:45.02 | qtipk | abrotman: the noob that is myself doesn't know what that is |
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| 01:45.27 | qtipk | i thought it was overheating, since it was random |
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| 01:45.39 | abrotman | !memtest |
| 01:45.39 | dpkg | methinks memtest is http://www.memtest86.com/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ |
| 01:45.44 | timt | how do I move a whole contents of a folder to another folder?? any short cuts?? |
| 01:45.54 | qtipk | but i put a HUGE box fan next to my case and still messed |
| 01:46.17 | qtipk | abrotman: and where does one do this !memtest? at the boot: prompt? |
| 01:46.32 | asg | timt: mv /dir/* /newdir |
| 01:46.44 | raf256 | qtipk: apt-get install this memtest then it will be in GRUB kernel list (lilo probably as well) |
| 01:46.45 | timt | asg: thanks heaps |
| 01:47.01 | asg | timt: if you have a LARGE number of files in /dir/ other approaches must be used. |
| 01:47.18 | backtack | help cant install kernel image /sbin/update-grub failed |
| 01:47.22 | paul_ | nice to hang in a room where the nazi's arent bitching you out for following their bs rulz(ubuntu) |
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| 01:47.31 | backtack | kernel 2.6.11 |
| 01:47.57 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 01:47.58 | asg | paul_: as long as you aren't trolling, advocating, or asking questions about it, what you use is your business. |
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| 01:48.17 | SDFH_Linux | what happened paul? |
| 01:48.19 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 01:48.46 | force | i've tried everything stated by 'dpkg', but my usb mouse still does not work. Can someone help me debug the kernel config? |
| 01:48.47 | paul_ | they have some problems with the unofficial ubuntu users guide |
| 01:48.57 | paul_ | but its worked well fo rme |
| 01:49.01 | mngrif | asg: agreed |
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| 01:49.41 | qtipk | raf256: i don't think i can, i don't have a working linux installed |
| 01:49.46 | struggler_ | Spamd won't detect dccifd, dcc_home set in /etc/default/spamassassin, dccproc works ok, any ideas? |
| 01:49.54 | FieldySnuts | !any ideas |
| 01:49.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 rabid weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 01:49.54 | qtipk | raf256: that is, run anything |
| 01:50.00 | paul_ | they seem to have a problem with logging into root at the login screen as well |
| 01:50.01 | backtack | force : does usb port work for anything? |
| 01:50.14 | raf256 | qtipk: get a Knoppix and run memtest there (press F2 at bootup) |
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| 01:50.22 | force | backtack: it worked before i built a new kernel |
| 01:50.23 | paul_ | although its easily enabled |
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| 01:50.26 | vlcier | hi all |
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| 01:50.52 | FieldySnuts | go home meatwire |
| 01:51.00 | downpour | heh |
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| 01:51.18 | vlcier | i good a debian cd..how can i install it with winxp ? i have winxp already installed but i want debian with it |
| 01:51.21 | fua1 | any nvidia nforce integrated sound specialists in the house? |
| 01:51.23 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: your buddy THUG-banga` is back |
| 01:51.28 | downpour | cuz it says so? |
| 01:51.30 | downpour | ;] |
| 01:51.50 | paul_ | someone gimme a nic to use in here |
| 01:51.57 | backtack | force : did u add full hid support? |
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| 01:52.29 | k-man | how does one select a window manager from within gnome? is there a way or does one have to hack config files? |
| 01:52.34 | force | backtack: yes, there is nothing in /proc/bus/usb/ either |
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| 01:53.02 | rabies | im trying to set up a wireless 802.11b computer when i have a 2.4 ghz cordless phone...actually multiple |
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| 01:53.13 | rabies | is there a way to change channels or something so the two dont interfere? |
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| 01:53.20 | abrotman | qtipk: you download the ISO . burn it .. boot it |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | raf256: it's not installed yet |
| 01:53.24 | abrotman | paul_: huh ? |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | force: dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 01:53.28 | abrotman | mngrif: crime dog? |
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| 01:53.30 | abrotman | qtipk: burn the iso from the memtest site |
| 01:53.32 | abrotman | paul_: that's a bad idea |
| 01:53.34 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: he was here earlier |
| 01:53.37 | vegas_hookers_ro | ok back |
| 01:53.38 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: turing test fails ? |
| 01:53.42 | Thanatermesis | <------ volontaires for test a new MPLAYER package more fast and works |
| 01:53.42 | abrotman | paul_: i like .. paul-- |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | fua1: still zilch ? |
| 01:53.45 | mngrif | abrotman: ? |
| 01:53.46 | abrotman | rabies: doesn't matter . i have 2 basically next to my laptop .. works fine |
| 01:53.48 | FieldySnuts | @test |
| 01:53.48 | abrotman | rabies: change the channel on the AP |
| 01:53.48 | ravenbird | Yes, fieldysnuts, you're still online. |
| 01:53.49 | THUG-banga` | FieldySnuts: Error: "test" is not a valid command. |
| 01:53.49 | vegas_hookers_ro | i like this one better |
| 01:53.50 | abrotman | uh |
| 01:53.52 | FieldySnuts | that. |
| 01:53.55 | force | mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 01:54.00 | abrotman | mngrif: crime dog mcgriff:) |
| 01:54.09 | rabies | abrotman: to? |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | @fart |
| 01:54.10 | THUG-banga` | abrotman: Error: "fart" is not a valid command. |
| 01:54.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 01:54.16 | rabies | abrotman: which channel works best for you? |
| 01:54.18 | mngrif | abrotman: wow, after all this time you finaly come up with one! |
| 01:54.24 | raf256 | what are the usermode tools to control scheduling policy? with is best for desktop/how to apply it? |
| 01:54.26 | abrotman | rabies: uhm .. no idea .. the default one :) |
| 01:54.27 | mngrif | and i thought his name was McGruff |
| 01:54.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*supybot@*] by caphuso |
| 01:54.27 | rabies | abrotman: 1 seems to make it so that there is clicking on the phone |
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| 01:54.33 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: thanks :) |
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| 01:54.37 | rabies | abrotman: also i am getting no signal from a WMP11 v4 |
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| 01:54.42 | abrotman | rabies: jeez .. |
| 01:54.42 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 01:54.46 | rabies | abrotman: well, thats the card at least... |
| 01:54.50 | rabies | abrotman: its been a real pain.. |
| 01:54.54 | abrotman | rabies: let me see if i can check |
| 01:55.12 | rabies | abrotman: im getting such a bad connection that iwconfig loses the SSID =\ |
| 01:55.25 | rabies | thanks |
| 01:55.30 | vlcier | if anyone here have globespan virata dsl usb medom ..does it work with debian ? i want internet when i install debian |
| 01:55.37 | abrotman | rabies: i can't find the stupid channel in the iw stuff |
| 01:55.42 | rabies | oh =\ |
| 01:55.46 | force | abrotman: i think i've added everything i need :/ |
| 01:55.53 | rabies | should say in iwlist eth0 (or whatever) scan |
| 01:55.53 | abrotman | rabies: i'm on 6 |
| 01:55.56 | FieldySnuts | usb "modems" generally only work in windows, use the ethernet interface or replace the peice of shit |
| 01:55.57 | rabies | 6? ok |
| 01:55.58 | backtack | force : my best advice is to go through usb section of kernel config and hit ? to get info and see if ur missing something |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | force: i think you forgot something |
| 01:56.05 | asg | raf256: nice, renice, and fooling around with /proc/sys (usually to your detriment) |
| 01:56.07 | rabies | abrotman: any idea why my signal is so bad? |
| 01:56.07 | abrotman | rabies: but it's the default for dlink i think |
| 01:56.11 | rabies | abrotman: this is linksys |
| 01:56.17 | force | ahh ok, ill triple check the config :| |
| 01:56.33 | abrotman | rabies: iwlist <interface> channel .. mine is at 2.437 |
| 01:56.35 | raf256 | asg: hmm.. I ment to choose like the deadline policy or the others |
| 01:56.45 | rabies | okay |
| 01:56.56 | abrotman | rabies: and honestly no .. but do you have dsl ? |
| 01:56.58 | EdibleText | oiahsdf, invoke it froma term. you see whats going on |
| 01:57.01 | backtack | force : i have ehci, ohci, usb filesystem and others built in |
| 01:57.01 | rabies | abrotman: yep, 1.5 |
| 01:57.08 | rabies | abrotman: i cant use encrpytion its so bad |
| 01:57.17 | Thanatermesis | any person it wants to try a new MPLAYER package ? |
| 01:57.24 | rabies | abrotman: its literally 10 feet away, there is just a wall between it and the router |
| 01:57.29 | Thanatermesis | (no broken libs, works good) |
| 01:57.31 | rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.32 | downpour | Thanatermesis: for amd64? ;] |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | rabies: i've heard clicking on DSL connections/phones |
| 01:57.42 | vegas_hookers_ro | later all |
| 01:57.49 | rabies | abrotman: well the whole network is wired cept for that 1 comp |
| 01:57.52 | backtack | force : dont forget HID input layer support |
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| 01:57.54 | rabies | abrotman: never any connection issues or clicking |
| 01:57.57 | abrotman | rabies: if you .. unplug the dsl splitter .. does the clicking stop o thep hone ? |
| 01:58.02 | abrotman | stop on the phone |
| 01:58.06 | Thanatermesis | no :/ in this moments for x86 downpour... If you like to try E17 packages for amd64, I have ;) |
| 01:58.24 | FieldySnuts | #define E17_VAPORWARE 1 |
| 01:58.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:58.32 | rabies | abrotman: if i stop ndiswrapper the clicking stops |
| 01:58.33 | De_Mon | how do I get debian to produce core dumps when the kernel panics? |
| 01:58.34 | downpour | heh nah i like fluxbox ;] |
| 01:58.35 | force | backtack: i think im missing HCD support |
| 01:58.40 | vlcier | will marvell yukon gigabit ethernet work ? i have in my computer also..i can get a modem for it. |
| 01:58.58 | De_Mon | it spit stuff out to the screen but not to a file |
| 01:58.58 | downpour | hrm speaking of fluxbox the pkg in unstable is old =\ |
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| 01:59.00 | abrotman | rabies: cute .. sounds like your NIC . not your AP |
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| 01:59.08 | abrotman | rabies: you might get some suggestions from #wireless |
| 01:59.09 | quitte__ | what is the correct term for pork butt? |
| 01:59.10 | backtack | force : yeah u need that |
| 01:59.11 | rabies | rabies: the clicking is |
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| 01:59.19 | rabies | er |
| 01:59.21 | abrotman | quitte: hog ass |
| 01:59.21 | force | thanks :) appreciated |
| 01:59.25 | rabies | abrotman: the clicking is |
| 01:59.31 | rabies | abrotman: im starting to think the whole problem is my card |
| 01:59.37 | quitte__ | abrotman: ham is what i was searching for ;) |
| 01:59.51 | abrotman | quitte: ham butt |
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| 02:00.04 | abrotman | quitte: but lots of people call it pork butt |
| 02:00.10 | abrotman | quitte: why are you playing wiht pork butt ? |
| 02:00.13 | Azar | good evening honorables |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | rabies: got another to try ? |
| 02:00.35 | rabies | abrotman: na, i got it for 5 bucks on sale |
| 02:00.49 | abrotman | rabies: cute |
| 02:00.54 | asg | ewww, meat on sale |
| 02:00.59 | rabies | abrotman: great isnt it? |
| 02:01.03 | rabies | now if it'll only work |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | asg: you're selling your meat ? |
| 02:01.15 | asg | abrotman: not for 5 bucks, that's for sure |
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| 02:01.23 | FieldySnuts | uh |
| 02:01.27 | darkheart | Hello. I was thinking of installing Debian and was wondering if anyone has already tried on a system with a PCI-express video card. |
| 02:01.31 | Azar | o/t nice article for developers (trouble in the o.s. paradise?) "I GNU It" http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=370&mode=&order=0&thold=0 |
| 02:01.37 | quitte__ | abrotman: im very hungry and talking about food in another channel. btw - what is thje name of the tube that sausages are filled in? |
| 02:01.54 | abrotman | casing |
| 02:01.55 | FieldySnuts | intestine? |
| 02:02.05 | borojer | help, anyone knows the login to the red hat 9 root file system, i'm told to use this file system for the debian uml, it runs but i dont have the login or password thanks for the help |
| 02:02.16 | fua1 | file roller wont open .zips because the comandf unzip fails... |
| 02:02.24 | abrotman | !installit |
| 02:02.24 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 02:02.29 | quitte__ | FieldySnuts: inestine is specific enough? or a general term for stuff inside the stomach? |
| 02:02.29 | raf256 | borojer: hack into /etc/passwd using livecd or other box |
| 02:02.34 | asg | borojer: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 02:02.45 | abrotman | quitte: casing is generic... use wikipedia |
| 02:02.45 | raf256 | !pal borojer |
| 02:02.56 | mina_linux_Tux | how to start vsftpd on debian sarge ? |
| 02:02.58 | rabies | abrotman: i hope theres a living soul or 2 in wireless |
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| 02:02.59 | FieldySnuts | apts: start a world war |
| 02:03.05 | fua1 | lol who would not want unzip installed on thier system by default... |
| 02:03.11 | rabies | abrotman: this must be my punishment for finding a good deal... |
| 02:03.14 | FieldySnuts | people who care about licensing issues |
| 02:03.19 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:03.22 | FieldySnuts | i.e. all debian users |
| 02:03.28 | quitte__ | abrotman: i know too much about making sausages to use such a generic term |
| 02:03.31 | asg | mina_linux_Tux: it's either started via inetd or by a script in /etc/init.d |
| 02:03.32 | nitromo | i'm running debian woody on a thinkpad t22, dual boot with win2k...still haven't gotten my dlink wireless dwl650+ to work though |
| 02:03.47 | asg | mina_linux_Tux: dpkg -L <pkg> (see if an /etc/init.d/ script was installed) |
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| 02:04.04 | abrotman | quitte__: well .. casing are made from intestines on farms in .us |
| 02:04.09 | w00t | does anyone know what package sshfs is in? it's that file system mounter for ssh |
| 02:04.21 | qtipk | why does my debian installer fail at random times and the lights on my keboard blink when it installed fine the first time? |
| 02:04.32 | backtack | nitromo : ndiswrapper? |
| 02:04.34 | abrotman | memtest! |
| 02:04.39 | FieldySnuts | hardware problems (we covered this), the blinking lights are a kernel panic |
| 02:04.41 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 02:04.41 | dpkg | it has been said that shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 02:04.46 | asg | w00t: shfs-{source,utils} |
| 02:04.51 | nitromo | backtack: no. tried acx100 couldnt get it to work |
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| 02:05.03 | qtipk | i lost my knoppix disk.... |
| 02:05.07 | downpour | !gentoo |
| 02:05.08 | dpkg | hmm... gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 02:05.09 | qtipk | i can't do memtest |
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| 02:05.17 | FieldySnuts | make a memtest boot floppy then |
| 02:05.21 | borojer | raf256: how do i hack into /etc/passwd using livecd or other box |
| 02:05.26 | raf256 | qtipk: well download / buy / get from a friend a new one |
| 02:05.36 | asg | borojer: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 02:05.39 | raf256 | borojer: just mount the / and edit /etc/passwd |
| 02:05.50 | SDFH_Linux | lol gentoobies |
| 02:05.54 | downpour | heh |
| 02:05.56 | raf256 | borojer: backup first! |
| 02:05.58 | qtipk | raf245: bah, that's so lame |
| 02:06.08 | qtipk | raf256 i meant |
| 02:06.09 | raf256 | qtipk: 1<<8 actually. why lame? |
| 02:06.13 | downpour | poor gentoo...its not all of them |
| 02:06.17 | rabies | backtack: ndiswrapper lets you run windows drivers on linux... |
| 02:06.20 | FieldySnuts | again, make a memtest boot floppy. but hey i'm being ignored. |
| 02:06.24 | asg | larry the cow says mooo |
| 02:06.27 | rabies | backtack: its cruddy at best most of the time, but it works |
| 02:06.48 | downpour | the ricers give gentoo a bad rep |
| 02:06.49 | nitromo | rabies, do you know people using ndiswrapper for dlink dwl 650+ wireless card ? |
| 02:07.09 | qtipk | fieldysnuts: "make a memtest boot floppy" |
| 02:07.19 | FieldySnuts | google it you'll figure it out |
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| 02:07.30 | rabies | nitromo: im the only one i know even using it |
| 02:07.39 | rabies | nitromo: and so far im not impressed |
| 02:07.46 | qtipk | fieldysnuts: ok, thank you |
| 02:07.54 | backtack | rabies : there is no other way sometimes |
| 02:07.56 | nitromo | rabies, what kind of wireless card do you have ? |
| 02:08.01 | rabies | WMP11 v4 |
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| 02:08.11 | FieldySnuts | it's ndiswrapper, what do you expect, get a real, supported card |
| 02:08.18 | nitromo | not impressed? does it drop connection often or something ? |
| 02:08.20 | rabies | either its a lousy card or i just cant get it to connect correctly |
| 02:08.23 | downpour | !ubuntu |
| 02:08.23 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 02:08.31 | rabies | nitromo: i havent gotten it to get a steady connection yet |
| 02:08.37 | nitromo | Hmm |
| 02:08.38 | downpour | ha |
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| 02:08.47 | downpour | based on a true story |
| 02:08.49 | downpour | lol |
| 02:08.52 | FieldySnuts | HEHE play one on tv |
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| 02:09.06 | rabies | FieldySnuts: too expensive |
| 02:09.17 | FieldySnuts | shrug, have fun fighting then |
| 02:09.21 | backtack | i have netgear wg511 pcmcia works good with ndiswrapper |
| 02:09.24 | nitromo | rabies, does ndiswrapper detect the wireless card in the slot ? why can't I do a lspci -n and detect it ? |
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| 02:09.30 | downpour | im scared to say what dpkg has to say about rpm |
| 02:09.34 | downpour | see rather |
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| 02:09.41 | rabies | nitromo: yes, the driver detects it once the windows inf file has been loaded |
| 02:09.46 | asg | downpour: /msg dpkg rpm (the joy of private amusement) |
| 02:09.51 | downpour | heh |
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| 02:09.59 | rabies | backtack: i wonder why i cant even get a cnnection |
| 02:10.03 | rabies | im depressed |
| 02:10.07 | rabies | i wonder if its defective |
| 02:10.10 | nitromo | so....where would i put the windows inf file ? download it from dlink or put it somewhere ? |
| 02:10.12 | asg | downpour: Relaxing Porn Movie |
| 02:10.14 | Thanatermesis | any person it wants to try a new MPLAYER package ? (no broken libs problem) |
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| 02:10.22 | rabies | nitromo: read the ndiswrpaper manual |
| 02:10.22 | fua1 | can anyone point me to a good tutorial on how to set up apache to run a simple html page? |
| 02:10.24 | downpour | haha |
| 02:10.24 | Liam1 | What does it mean when doing an installation in aptitude, "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED" and lists several dozen (seemly irrelevant) packages which apt-get has no problem with? |
| 02:10.36 | mina_linux_Tux | how to give an access to my ftp over the net and not local network , must i have domain name ? |
| 02:10.39 | asg | fua1: apt-get install apache ; lynx http://localhost |
| 02:10.41 | nitromo | rabies, i will have to look for ndiswrapper on the web. thanks will look into it |
| 02:10.46 | backtack | rabies : i spent days getting my card to work many many tutorials cheer up |
| 02:10.50 | rabies | nitromo: get it from the respoitory |
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| 02:10.59 | rabies | backtack: what'd you end up doing? |
| 02:11.02 | rabies | backtack: im out of ideas |
| 02:11.18 | nitromo | rabies, apt-get ? |
| 02:11.18 | fua1 | hmm |
| 02:11.22 | rabies | nitromo: yes |
| 02:11.23 | fua1 | that shows a webpage |
| 02:11.34 | fua1 | but how do i change the address that others use to see that page? |
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| 02:12.02 | backtack | rabies : is your card supported by ndiswrapper? |
| 02:12.06 | asg | fua1: DNS records that point your domain to your ip address (or just give them the ip address.) |
| 02:12.06 | rabies | backtack: yes |
| 02:12.12 | rabies | backtack: it officially is |
| 02:12.23 | downpour | so anyone try xorg from unstable yet? |
| 02:12.38 | fua1 | asg: how do i set up my dns records, I think under the setup i set them to loopback.. |
| 02:12.41 | asg | fua1: several free ones exist if you are on a cable-like setup (dyndns.org for instance.) |
| 02:12.49 | LiamH | downpour: yes, I think I'm running it now. |
| 02:12.50 | n0dez | downpour: is xorg on unstable? |
| 02:13.00 | asg | n0dez: it entered last night |
| 02:13.05 | n0dez | oh |
| 02:13.06 | downpour | yah |
| 02:13.09 | downpour | but osm |
| 02:13.10 | downpour | er |
| 02:13.14 | nitromo | <quitte__> FieldySnuts: inesti |
| 02:13.15 | n0dez | does it work? |
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| 02:13.19 | downpour | but isn't on amd64 yet =\ |
| 02:13.20 | backtack | rabies what does ndiswrapper -l say? |
| 02:13.24 | debianX | where can i see a movie or screenshots on how debian looks and feels like? |
| 02:13.28 | rabies | backtack: lists the 3 drivers |
| 02:13.29 | downpour | heh |
| 02:13.31 | asg | n0dez: for some, not for others (/msg dpkg get xorg) |
| 02:13.35 | borojer | what is the command to find out the current shell u r using? |
| 02:13.36 | rabies | backtack: one says hardware detected |
| 02:13.38 | LiamH | woops, nope, still on xfree |
| 02:13.46 | asg | borojer: echo $SHELL |
| 02:13.47 | downpour | debianX: linux is linux try lynucs.org |
| 02:13.49 | rabies | backtack: im not on the machine right now, internet connectivity issues and all |
| 02:14.04 | ix | debianX: it looks the same as any other linux distro. Depends on what you put ON it. |
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| 02:15.12 | mina_linux_Tux | asg: i tried dyndns.org, installed apache and i edited the the NameServer directive in httpd.conf to point to my registered dynamic dns at dyndns.org and nothing happed i have my debian box connected to winXP via wireless connection in an ad-hox mode what's wrong with that |
| 02:15.12 | backtack | rabies i had to set essid and then ifup wlan0 if i recall correctly |
| 02:15.21 | rabies | backtack: i cant set the essid |
| 02:15.23 | n0dez | asg: it's funny. it took ages to enter unstable and it may not work :( |
| 02:15.35 | rabies | backtack: gives an error message |
| 02:15.44 | n0dez | it seems it doesn't work with nvidia |
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| 02:15.58 | asg | n0dez: there are issues with nvidia-glx drivers; the stock bits should be fine though there are some small issues with the gcc4 also |
| 02:16.19 | count | my cdrom drive doesn't want to open |
| 02:16.23 | count | what can i do ? |
| 02:16.27 | downpour | kick it |
| 02:16.32 | downpour | =] |
| 02:16.34 | asg | count: umount whatever cd is mounted |
| 02:16.35 | count | tried it :) |
| 02:16.53 | n0dez | oh the lovely gcc4 |
| 02:16.54 | rabies | backtack: =\ |
| 02:16.57 | saga | is there a driver for msi radeon x300 series display adaptor that works with debian ? |
| 02:17.00 | n0dez | okay |
| 02:17.01 | count | says that cdrom is not mounted |
| 02:17.05 | n0dez | thanks asg |
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| 02:17.10 | asg | mina_linux_Tux: your XP box probably needs to port forward port 80 to your linux box if XP is natting your connection. |
| 02:17.17 | rabies | backtack: if i get at least 1% signal it connects |
| 02:17.23 | count | what else could i do ? |
| 02:17.25 | n0dez | bye |
| 02:17.25 | qtipk | what is memtest supposed to do, because it's just listing the status of my GP registers and one called "@X" |
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| 02:17.33 | mina_linux_Tux | asg: how to do that ? |
| 02:17.39 | rabies | backtack: otherwise it ignores the signal |
| 02:17.39 | asg | count: stick a paper clip in the little hole on the front |
| 02:17.48 | asg | count: or try 'eject' |
| 02:17.48 | rabies | backtack: pretends like the AP doesnt exist |
| 02:17.59 | count | eject locks up |
| 02:18.04 | asg | mina_linux_Tux: not a clue, I haven't used windows since '95. Someone else might know though. |
| 02:18.35 | backtack | rabies : i wish i could help more but i did it months ago and im no expert |
| 02:18.47 | rabies | backtack: oh...feels like no one is... |
| 02:18.50 | asg | count: try using 'fuser' or 'lsof' (you have to apt-get install it if you don't have it) on /dev/cdrom (or whatever device your cdrom points to) |
| 02:18.57 | rabies | backtack: meh, ill figure it out :0 |
| 02:18.59 | rabies | :) |
| 02:19.03 | asg | count: if it returns a number, find whatever process has that PID and kill it |
| 02:19.38 | De_Mon | hrm.. I added the line: * hard core 50000 to /etc/security/limits.conf and relogged in, but ulimit -c still says 0 |
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| 02:19.53 | De_Mon | init u relogged in, still no change. What am I missing? |
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| 02:20.01 | lildude | iam trying to reome debian from my email flooding |
| 02:20.09 | lildude | waht can i doo |
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| 02:20.15 | lildude | i tried to unscribe |
| 02:20.20 | dvs | reome? |
| 02:20.24 | De_Mon | remove |
| 02:20.25 | lildude | remove |
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| 02:20.56 | lildude | 500 3 times a day |
| 02:20.57 | count | i have in /cdrom a weird symlink cdrom0 pointing to /cdrom0 |
| 02:20.59 | dvs | did you put unsubscribe in the subject or in the body |
| 02:21.11 | lildude | as subject |
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| 02:22.20 | lildude | dvs any idea |
| 02:22.37 | dvs | nope |
| 02:22.55 | lildude | me either it says unsuseful unscribe |
| 02:22.58 | asg | De_Mon: verify that /etc/pam.d/* is using pam_limits.so |
| 02:23.06 | lildude | need to remove em if you no how let me know how |
| 02:23.06 | qtipk | what is memtest supposed to do, because it's just listing the status of my GP registers and one called "@X" |
| 02:23.19 | pablum | lildude, how to unsubscribe is in the headers of EVERY email from that list: mailto:debian-amd64-request@lists.debian.org?subject=unsubscribe |
| 02:23.26 | dvs | lildude: It usually says why the unsubscribe is unsuccessful |
| 02:23.38 | pablum | lildude, as an example... yours will be different |
| 02:23.38 | lildude | it did not |
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| 02:24.17 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 02:24.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
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| 02:24.25 | De_Mon | asg AHh its commented out for login |
| 02:24.32 | De_Mon | you da man |
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| 02:25.10 | asg | De_Mon: what debian version are you runing (out of curiosity) |
| 02:25.20 | De_Mon | sid |
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| 02:25.49 | lildude | does any one know how to block that spam |
| 02:25.59 | asg | De_Mon: hmmm, okay. |
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| 02:26.11 | pumpitup | boo |
| 02:26.16 | asg | berry |
| 02:26.18 | Wyzard | lildude: Messages from a mailing list you're subscribed to are not spam, and someone just told you how to unsubscribe |
| 02:26.45 | lildude | i did that |
| 02:27.00 | lildude | tried unsucribe |
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| 02:27.30 | Wyzard | lildude: There's also http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe, which is linked from http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 02:28.08 | De_Mon | asg the first time I saw it i thought it was a default value, but reading the comment is says to uncomment and read /etc/security/limits.conf to enable it |
| 02:28.35 | pablum | that's probably better if you are viewing the email with an account different than the one you subscribed with |
| 02:28.50 | asg | De_Mon: yeah |
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| 02:29.06 | spazticblue | And your mom |
| 02:29.13 | spazticblue | ... |
| 02:29.16 | spazticblue | wrong channel |
| 02:29.20 | asg | obviously |
| 02:29.34 | pablum | #fiveandunder is thataway -> |
| 02:29.46 | lildude | il change my enmil acount |
| 02:29.56 | asg | could have been a poor attempt to appear on bash.org |
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| 02:30.27 | Wyzard | lildude: You're changing your email address just to get off a mailing list? |
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| 02:30.47 | LinuxNIT | how do i program a4th mouse button in xf86config-4? |
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| 02:31.04 | Whiskers | how do i change so that i boot into text mode instead of gui mode? |
| 02:31.36 | spazticblue | in /etc/inittab |
| 02:31.47 | Wyzard | Whiskers: Uninstall whatever display manager you're using |
| 02:31.50 | pablum | !tell Whiskers about nodm |
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| 02:32.05 | lildude | have cant haeve 18000 emails in one day |
| 02:32.29 | Wyzard | lildude: So unsubscribe from the list... did you even try the unsubscribe webpage I just sent you a link to? |
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| 02:33.17 | pablum | um, debian that busy? maybe you subscribed to all of them, including the dev lists? |
| 02:33.29 | KodeK|BRB | Could someone give me some hints on setting up Ntop in Debian? I just apt-get installed it, and that's it. I'm stuck :( |
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| 02:33.55 | Whiskers | ok i removed gdm |
| 02:33.57 | dvs | lildude: Do as Wyzard said and try and unsubscribe through the website |
| 02:34.03 | Whiskers | but it will default to xdm i think? |
| 02:34.15 | Wyzard | Whiskers: Not if you don't have xdm installed |
| 02:34.16 | dvs | KodeK|BRB: I'd read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/ntop |
| 02:34.23 | KodeK|BRB | dvs, ok, thanks. |
| 02:34.27 | Whiskers | xdm cant be removed because it will remove the x-window-system |
| 02:34.52 | kryptech | just a short and stupid question: I left network configuration alone at setup, I now have a network I need to work with, is there a way I can configure it? |
| 02:34.52 | rixth_ | Whiskers, thats just a meta package |
| 02:35.05 | Whiskers | i tried apt-get remove xdm |
| 02:35.06 | rixth_ | Whiskers, it's safe to remove (I think!) |
| 02:35.28 | Whiskers | and apt says that it will remove the x-window-system as well, so i hit no, to abort |
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| 02:35.33 | puetzk | pabl0: I could believe it - lkml is 500/day, and there's several debian lists that would be on that scale |
| 02:35.36 | dvs | Whiskers: rixth_ just said it was a meta package which means it contains no programs |
| 02:36.05 | Whiskers | so i can remove x-window-system? |
| 02:36.13 | frox | anyone in here get a pctv pro card to work, i've tried all the combinations of card= and tuner= that make sense and still no luck |
| 02:36.15 | dvs | !lart Whiskers |
| 02:36.19 | puetzk | however, the solution to the mailbombing is to unsubscribe and use gmane :-0 |
| 02:36.22 | SDFH_Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.57 | Whiskers | ok i'll try |
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| 02:40.02 | vipersniper | im trying to compile the kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 02:40.06 | vipersniper | http://pastebin.com/312992 |
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| 02:40.27 | Kerr | before i go and google, any tips on getting a usb webcam i found working under testing/2.6 kernel ? |
| 02:41.12 | Thanatermesis | OK, Im finished the package of MPLAYER, if any person like to install, its ok |
| 02:41.59 | borojer | help, i message dpkg about i forgot my root's password, but i got stuck at the first step, i'm trying to find out the login and pass for a root file system |
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| 02:43.10 | kryptech | vipersniper: eww... I had that happen to me, mess around with your config file and see if you can find whats causing the error, then try to execlude it from the compilation. Or, you may be able to fix the code yourself ;) |
| 02:43.50 | lildude | i unscribed i changed my email |
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| 02:44.15 | qtipk | i need to hurry and fix my comp before my bro gets home and demands his computer |
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| 02:45.08 | kryptech | borojer: this probably wont work, but you could try booting grub in single (dont expect it to work though) |
| 02:45.23 | kryptech | booting the kernel I man |
| 02:45.39 | qtipk | i'm getting kernel panics during installation at random times. i at least want to fix my mbr so i can at least get windows back |
| 02:45.52 | jazzanova | i am trying to get through a pxe install, at the prompt, when i type pxe my monitor goes crazy, and i see colored characters everywhere. |
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| 02:46.49 | vipersniper | qtipk, windows setup disk and type "fdisk /mbr" |
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| 02:47.24 | v0L7r[-]n | How compatible is Debian with other programs. What about programs without deb packages. |
| 02:47.42 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 02:47.45 | gkozlyk | anyone here good with network cards? |
| 02:47.53 | simonrvn | gkozlyk: just ask |
| 02:47.59 | borojer | kryptech: what do u exactly mean |
| 02:48.24 | deadcat | borojer: as in " |
| 02:48.28 | deadcat | good with kids" |
| 02:48.32 | gkozlyk | i am trying to get a USB network card working in Ubuntu |
| 02:48.49 | kryptech | borojer: when you boot, at the end of a grub prompt you could add single, there minght be a "recovery mode" option |
| 02:48.51 | gkozlyk | It detects it at the port with lsusb |
| 02:48.53 | deadcat | gkozlyk: this aint fucking #ubuntu |
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| 02:49.16 | gkozlyk | i know it isn't, but ubuntu is based on debian |
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| 02:49.26 | gkozlyk | thought i would ask anyways |
| 02:49.34 | deadcat | gkozlyk: then ask in #uubntu |
| 02:49.38 | vipersniper | im trying to compile kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 02:49.42 | vipersniper | http://pastebin.com/312992 |
| 02:49.57 | vipersniper | anyone can help |
| 02:50.07 | simonrvn | !based on debian |
| 02:50.07 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 02:50.08 | gkozlyk | i have, however not alot of people have worked with USB network cards |
| 02:50.12 | kryptech | vipersniper: didnt I just give you some advice? |
| 02:50.33 | vipersniper | kryptech, where |
| 02:50.45 | kryptech | kryptech vipersniper: eww... I had that happen to me, mess around with your config file and see if you can find whats causing the error, then try to execlude it from the compilation. Or, you may be able to fix the code yourself ; |
| 02:51.17 | deadcat | i cant seem to figure out vga+ibook+xorg someone let me take a look at their config file please |
| 02:51.29 | mfrisch | It installs a different lib, unistalls gdm and borks x/quit |
| 02:52.24 | v0L7r[-]n | what do you do |
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| 02:53.45 | v0L7r[-]n | you've all seen Willy Wanka |
| 02:53.54 | v0L7r[-]n | what do you do do do |
| 02:54.10 | kryptech | not the one with orlando bloom dressed as michel jackson |
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| 02:55.36 | v0L7r[-]n | when you can't find a .deb package for you program |
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| 02:56.48 | kriebz | so, I just installed 3.1 from CD and I have a pretty big problem |
| 02:56.50 | v0L7r[-]n | surprise |
| 02:56.56 | kryptech | heh |
| 02:57.07 | kriebz | the screen goes black late in the boot process |
| 02:57.15 | kriebz | with no indication as to why |
| 02:57.17 | kryptech | does it come back? |
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| 02:57.40 | kriebz | not quickly |
| 02:57.45 | kryptech | but does it? |
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| 02:58.01 | ricosuave17 | hello |
| 02:58.07 | kryptech | hi |
| 02:58.19 | ricosuave17 | how is debian todahy |
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| 02:58.29 | kryptech | unstable |
| 02:58.36 | ricosuave17 | lol |
| 02:58.37 | keenan | ba dum-ching |
| 02:58.37 | kryptech | like the rest of the world economy |
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| 02:58.40 | ricosuave17 | as always |
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| 02:59.25 | ricosuave17 | u anti-bush? |
| 02:59.43 | kryptech | nah, all of em suck equally |
| 02:59.45 | Scognito | why non-us is no nomre= |
| 02:59.50 | Scognito | no more |
| 02:59.53 | borojer | help, i'm trying to boot from a root file system for the debian uml, booting from the root_fs_slack works fine and then i tried to boot from a red hat 7 root file system, first time it worked but then it didn't !!!!! how the hell's this possible |
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| 03:00.12 | simonrvn | Scognito: /topic |
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| 03:00.28 | Scognito | simonrvn, i asked because i saw the topic :) |
| 03:00.40 | simonrvn | well then you'll /msg the bot |
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| 03:01.32 | Scognito | ah ok |
| 03:01.38 | kriebz | kryptech: 3 minutes and nothing appears |
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| 03:01.51 | Scognito | so i understand why non-us existed |
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| 03:02.09 | ttick | hmm, is there an option for XFree86 so it the Xserver comes up even if it "can't initialize core pointer" (the mouse, I'm guessing)? |
| 03:02.14 | Scognito | so non-us only contained stuff for crypto? |
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| 03:02.24 | borojer | i guess no one can help me :( |
| 03:02.35 | pablum | kriebz, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 03:02.41 | kryptech | kriebz: perhaps its a wierd console driver thing... |
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| 03:03.08 | kriebz | why is there no video setup in the installer? |
| 03:03.18 | pablum | kriebz, what happens when you press the Ctrl, Alt, and F1 keys simultaneously? |
| 03:03.18 | kriebz | seems like somthing that I would like to be able to turn off |
| 03:03.44 | kriebz | pablum: stays black |
| 03:03.50 | daedalus_ | borojer: I haven't messed with uml debain |
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| 03:03.52 | pablum | huh |
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| 03:04.22 | Sememmon | Anyone have any ideas why mplayer will play in fullscreen but gmplayer will not? |
| 03:04.38 | deadcat | :q |
| 03:04.52 | deadcat | oops. screen and vim split at the saem time (= |
| 03:05.01 | Sememmon | =] |
| 03:05.06 | kriebz | heh |
| 03:05.17 | simonrvn | Scognito: effectively |
| 03:05.32 | kryptech | Sememmon: because of the memory used by the extra 'g' in the name, the memory reigon the applicaiton allocates is corrupt to a point where fullscreen mode cannot be used |
| 03:05.35 | kryptech | ;-) |
| 03:05.47 | Scognito | simonrvn, ok thank you |
| 03:06.04 | kriebz | bofh excuse alert! |
| 03:06.14 | Sememmon | Apparently so |
| 03:06.23 | wolf4911 | hi! I installed stable and rub xf86config and x won't start -errors no device found no screen found /lib/modules extensions and fots were skipped |
| 03:07.05 | kryptech | wolf4911: perhaps you configured your screen incorrectly, I've had that hapen a bunch with mice |
| 03:07.22 | pablum | kryptech, what page is that on? (flips through bofh excuse book) |
| 03:07.29 | dvs | wolf4911: look for (EE) in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:07.38 | kryptech | pablum: oh... it was on the spot ;) |
| 03:07.38 | wolf4911 | Any idea how to reconfigure ? Use /devmice or mouse or some other \ |
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| 03:07.53 | deadcat | xserver-xfree86 was removed when i install xorg, i still have the config files. how do i list what was NOT removed? dpkg -L xserver-xfree86 wont work since the pkg is not installed |
| 03:08.04 | dvs | !drxx wolf4911 |
| 03:08.05 | dpkg | wolf4911: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:08.15 | kryptech | wolf4911: xf86config |
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| 03:08.22 | karsten | OK, WTF would Galeon suddenly decide that it doesn't want to read the 'u' key? |
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| 03:09.15 | dvs | exit |
| 03:09.24 | kriebz | heh |
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| 03:10.13 | kriebz | karsten: gnome is a strange beast. have you upgraded without restarting somthing? |
| 03:10.26 | kryptech | hmm... I think the family guy creators should use quotes from bash.org |
| 03:10.40 | kryptech | turn them into a sidescene or somethin like that |
| 03:10.47 | wolf4911 | kryptech - ran config for number of times with different video card types - same shit - will try dpkg command and see what happens |
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| 03:11.07 | kryptech | wolf4911: yeah... I hate that shit.... |
| 03:11.20 | kriebz | I think they should go back to the good stuff they had before, not this canned sitcom crap |
| 03:11.37 | myren | i have a headless music player system, i've got an ATI Remote. There's some nifty plugins which do x keyboard grabs to read the ati remote, i'm wondering what i can do to write a daemon to similar from console |
| 03:11.46 | myren | i really have no idea how to snoop keyboard from a daemon |
| 03:12.19 | nvz | myren: do you know what a daemon is? |
| 03:12.27 | karsten | kriebz: Not AFIAIK. |
| 03:12.31 | myren | yes, and i'd like to make one |
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| 03:12.34 | BhaalWK | Anyone know when a fixed version of kdelibs* will be out for unstable? |
| 03:12.42 | jkrek | Is there any way to undelete files on an ext3 filesystem? |
| 03:12.54 | karsten | BhaalWK: Fix it yourself ;-) |
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| 03:13.25 | BhaalWK | karsten: Im not a programmer.. otherwise I would... ive rolled back to the previous version... |
| 03:13.28 | nvz | jkrek: nope |
| 03:13.36 | kriebz | was that a jab at the non-masculine nature of KDE? |
| 03:13.56 | jkrek | nvz, could i convert the fs back to ext2 and then run an undelete utility? |
| 03:13.57 | pablum | jkrek, you need a pair of tweezers, some floss, a copy of Dr. Dobbs Journal, issue 42, and some hdutils... |
| 03:14.00 | kryptech | myren: Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment, Chapter 13 |
| 03:14.08 | myren | wword, i can take a ref like that |
| 03:14.16 | ctd | jkrek: depends on if the file is still intact on the disk. |
| 03:14.19 | nvz | jkrek: best case scenario, is if you had not done like any writes at all and remounted it ext2 real fast.. but it would still be slim |
| 03:14.26 | myren | the big dilemna i'm having is not having X available |
| 03:14.28 | nvz | jkrek: ext3 is ext2 |
| 03:14.41 | myren | i wish I could run Xvfb and feed my keyboard to it, that'd be sweet |
| 03:14.45 | nvz | jkrek: just has a internal or external journal |
| 03:14.58 | ctd | jkrek: have seen an ext2 recovery tool though, what nvz was saying, though. |
| 03:15.04 | nvz | jkrek: can be mounted as ext2 and no journaling will take place |
| 03:15.36 | kriebz | it might be a little safer (you can recover the journal) but you could still overwrite the block |
| 03:15.44 | kriebz | best to unmount, period |
| 03:15.59 | jetx | umount and dd the mf somewhere |
| 03:16.24 | kriebz | www.sleuthkit.org |
| 03:16.39 | GullyFoyle | where's the best place to install the JRE? /usr/java? |
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| 03:16.51 | nvz | GullyFoyle: nowhere |
| 03:16.58 | nvz | GullyFoyle: use java-package |
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| 03:17.12 | GullyFoyle | nvz, why not? |
| 03:17.24 | GullyFoyle | nvz, really? |
| 03:17.38 | Vamped | if ive spent a month trying to fix a problem that seems like it never will be fixed, should i just give up on debian? |
| 03:17.59 | keenan | never say never =) |
| 03:18.06 | kriebz | what's the problem? |
| 03:18.15 | nvz | GullyFoyle: because you obviously dont know anything about where the files go. therefore you are going to break the standards on your system someone more clever set up.. and also install a software package to where you will not be able to benefit from it properly |
| 03:18.15 | Vamped | screen resolution |
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| 03:18.26 | Vamped | it just wont go bigger than 640x480 |
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| 03:18.40 | nvz | GullyFoyle: a JRE needs not only be installed properly, but linked properly in several places to be fully functional |
| 03:18.47 | deadcat | should i be using radeon or ati in the X config file? i have radeon loaded in lsmod |
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| 03:19.03 | nvz | GullyFoyle: debian has a one-liner that makes those Java .bin into a .deb package that installs properly. its way easier |
| 03:19.07 | reamtS_ | I downloaded a .deb package and installed to the system, but I delete the package. Now I want to get back that package, is it possible to rebuild it which has been installed on my system? |
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| 03:19.23 | wolf4911 | I reconfigured the xserver and i think the problem is that it does not see the bus-id |
| 03:19.46 | kryptech | wolf4911: mindless hack away at your config file until it does |
| 03:19.54 | kriebz | Vamped: you can rename (delete) the DDC driver in X and it won't argue with your timing settings |
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| 03:19.57 | nvz | GullyFoyle: you don't have to install outside the package system, you do not have to undermine the standards and policies your OS was designed around, and you will have a working JRE |
| 03:20.02 | pablum | wolf4911, you can leave that blank... or are you saying you did? |
| 03:20.06 | kriebz | dangerous, and you loose the ability to sleep your monitors, but it works |
| 03:20.17 | wolf4911 | I did lspci and looks like I have silicon chip on IDE |
| 03:20.54 | Vamped | kriebz: how would i do that? |
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| 03:21.19 | Vamped | is it dangerous if i usually leave my comp on for a long time even if the sync times are correct? |
| 03:21.20 | Kerr | I get choppy grey bits of bars of grey picture, and black when trying to view my cam in camerama... i have an ov511+ cam and loaded the ov511 module, along with the ovcamchip module. what gives? |
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| 03:21.47 | jetx | !hwinfo |
| 03:21.47 | dpkg | hmm... hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 03:21.56 | GullyFoyle | nvz, i see on the sun website that their instructions only apply to redhat and suse |
| 03:21.58 | wolf4911 | it shows as sis 65x/M650/740/PCI/AGP VGa Display Adapter |
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| 03:22.27 | kriebz | Vamped: /usr/X11R6/lib or somthing has modules for bits of X. One of them is for communicating with your monitor. not sure if that's 100% of your problem |
| 03:22.37 | wolf4911 | In bus id section it gives only 3 choices and I am stuck here - dunno what to put there |
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| 03:22.59 | jetx | 3 choices? |
| 03:22.59 | kriebz | vamped: you'll have to manually switch off your monitor, but otherwise it's not a problem |
| 03:23.09 | Vamped | hmm ok |
| 03:23.12 | Vamped | ill try this |
| 03:23.21 | kriebz | try other monitors if you can, before doing that |
| 03:23.35 | jetx | do the hwinfo and put the correct values |
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| 03:23.54 | Vamped | jetx i already know the correct values |
| 03:24.10 | jetx | oh good it works |
| 03:24.11 | Vamped | hwinfo gives me the same numbers |
| 03:24.33 | kriebz | I think two monitor conversations got crossed there |
| 03:24.47 | Vamped | yea me 2 |
| 03:24.55 | kriebz | so... anyone install 3.1, reboot, and get greated with a black screen? |
| 03:25.02 | rixth_ | I need a graphics RSS aggregator, but I cannot find one in apt-cache search, any reccomendations |
| 03:25.12 | Vamped | kriebz what do I do in /etc/X11R6/lib |
| 03:25.19 | wolf4911 | pablum - when you leave that blank - it gets back to the screen saying the format is not recognized |
| 03:25.27 | nvz | GullyFoyle: this is not a sun channel. its a debian channel. we follow debian rules. to comply with debian package policy and the FHS that debian is compliant with.. you do not go creating some random dir and installing a 3rd party RE/VM in it. you use the debian package that properly integrates it with the system |
| 03:25.27 | kriebz | vamped: you'll have to figure it out |
| 03:25.28 | jetx | Vamped: is read-edid installed |
| 03:25.32 | kriebz | this hack comes with no warrenty |
| 03:25.32 | nvz | GullyFoyle: that is java-package |
| 03:25.32 | kryptech | kriebz: it hapens with my kernel but it comes back up after a little bit |
| 03:25.44 | jetx | and what vid card |
| 03:25.48 | wolf4911 | It need either PCI:0:0 some format or ISA or some else |
| 03:25.52 | Vamped | how do i know if read-edid is installed or not? |
| 03:25.58 | Vamped | intel 82865g |
| 03:25.59 | wolf4911 | And I do not know what I have really \ |
| 03:26.08 | nvz | GullyFoyle: you install it, you run make-jpkg j2re-blah.bin, then you install the .deb you've created and rm the .bin |
| 03:26.12 | jetx | apt-get install read-edid is one way |
| 03:26.17 | pablum | wolf4911, I'm saying leave it blank when you run drxx (ask dpkg) |
| 03:26.23 | kriebz | rixth_: perhaps a firefox plugin? |
| 03:26.29 | jetx | wolf4911: if you have agp, leave it blank |
| 03:26.33 | Vamped | jetx already installed |
| 03:26.37 | kryptech | http://qdb.us/16088 < man... i better not end up like that guy.... |
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| 03:26.53 | wolf4911 | ok |
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| 03:27.06 | Wyzard | There's no way to put a '/' character in a filename, right? |
| 03:27.22 | jetx | Vamped: does your xf86config-4 have the desired screen sizes configured, or does it just say 640x480 |
| 03:27.35 | rixth_ | kriebz, I'll take a look |
| 03:27.44 | rixth_ | Wyzard, you could try escaping it. |
| 03:27.45 | Vamped | jetx it doesnt even have 640x480 |
| 03:27.48 | Wyzard | kriebz: hello :-) |
| 03:27.49 | rixth_ | file\/name |
| 03:27.57 | Vamped | i have only 1024x768 in the config |
| 03:28.01 | Wyzard | rixth_: Tried that -- doesn't work |
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| 03:28.06 | kriebz | Wyzard! |
| 03:28.13 | wolf4911 | What driver should I use then I tried like 3 or 4 already darn! |
| 03:28.29 | Wyzard | rixth_: It makes sense, since the escaping is just a shell thing; the real problem comes when the program tries to pass that string to open() |
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| 03:28.50 | kriebz | well, since I named a file backspace, anything is possible |
| 03:28.50 | wolf4911 | This is a 4 yr old box and 5 yr monitor - nothing funky! |
| 03:29.02 | Hostile | for some reason when I boot my debian it goes into single user mode |
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| 03:29.12 | nvz | Vamped: If you've spent a month with this monitor problem you've been in here since this morning with you really need to learn how to get better help :P |
| 03:29.18 | jetx | Vamped: did you try http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=813&sort=8&cat=all&page=1 |
| 03:29.40 | nvz | The debian mailing lists have never let me wait even a week with hardware issues much less a month. and that sounds like a minor issue |
| 03:29.41 | pablum | no you can't do it with slashes... |
| 03:29.47 | kriebz | Hostile: you might have grub set to remember your last kernel |
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| 03:30.01 | Hostile | kriebz yeah but I dont use grub... |
| 03:30.08 | Hostile | and lilo is set up fine |
| 03:30.10 | kriebz | Hostile: I'm sorry |
| 03:30.10 | Vamped | ive been here before just had to take a week off |
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| 03:30.18 | jetx | Vamped: or http://www.google.com/linux?q=intel+82865g+xfree86&restrict=linux |
| 03:30.22 | kriebz | I like lilo's UI, but grub just works better |
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| 03:30.31 | Guerin | lilo has a ui? |
| 03:30.34 | Guerin | i mean |
| 03:30.35 | kriebz | boot: |
| 03:30.38 | jetx | yes it does |
| 03:30.39 | nvz | Vamped: you know what I have an idea.. as I have heard your problem like 12 hours ago in here.. and you still arent getting well. |
| 03:30.44 | Guerin | one that's not curses, effectively the same as grub? |
| 03:30.48 | jetx | you can make it look like anything you want |
| 03:30.55 | Guerin | jetx: oh. |
| 03:30.55 | Wyzard | I think grub can be made to just show a prompt, and no "menu" thing, too |
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| 03:30.58 | nvz | Vamped: do you edit your configuration with debconf or manually? |
| 03:30.59 | jetx | i made mine backwards once |
| 03:31.07 | Vamped | i think ive try the linuxquestions before |
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| 03:31.11 | Vamped | debconf |
| 03:31.15 | Guerin | oh, i remember the mandy lilo prompt now |
| 03:31.19 | nvz | Vamped: have you edited it manually before? |
| 03:31.22 | Vamped | no |
| 03:31.23 | Guerin | !linuxquestions |
| 03:31.24 | dpkg | DON'T bother going to linuxquestions.org for help. By and large the people there are Red Hat tools or Mandrake tards or Knoppix morons who don't know a goddamn motherfucking thing about debian, and do nothing but lead innocent newbies astray. See http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/26/2004/06/2/154223 |
| 03:31.27 | count | where do i find tftpboot.img for sarge ? |
| 03:31.31 | Vamped | well i have but i backed up and replaced it |
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| 03:31.34 | jetx | but, that thread seems to help |
| 03:31.41 | jetx | not my chipset |
| 03:32.04 | nvz | Vamped: if your config checksum file is invalid debconf will not write the file |
| 03:32.19 | nvz | Vamped: you may have thought you were making changes you've never really made. |
| 03:32.24 | Vamped | it does write to it |
| 03:32.26 | choi | is there any way to view volumn id of a CD in a terminal? |
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| 03:32.34 | Vamped | i had to use it today to get to 640x480 |
| 03:32.35 | Wyzard | choi: isoinfo -d -i foo.iso |
| 03:32.39 | jetx | or perhaps READ WHAT IT SAYS brainiacs |
| 03:32.50 | Vamped | usually i get no usable screen resolution or depth errors |
| 03:33.02 | Wyzard | choi: isoinfo is in the "mkisofs" package |
| 03:33.11 | choi | Wyzard: ok thanks let me try |
| 03:33.24 | karsten | Ah, figured it out. |
| 03:33.24 | Wyzard | choi: If it's an actual CD rather than an iso file, use the device file of your CD drive |
| 03:33.26 | nvz | Vamped: have you tried configuring your monitor Simply, with perhaps 16" since its a 15"? |
| 03:33.40 | nvz | Vamped: I noted earlier today you were using a very very small range |
| 03:33.45 | karsten | In Gnome, you can bind a key to a menu by hitting <shift><key> when you're hovering over the menu. |
| 03:33.49 | karsten | How do you *clear* the item? |
| 03:33.57 | Vamped | the range is correct 30-63 and 56-76 |
| 03:34.02 | choi | Wyzard: got it.. thanks. |
| 03:34.09 | nvz | Vamped: I couldn't find your monitor specs on my database |
| 03:34.10 | Vamped | its actually smaller than that but those are the max |
| 03:34.16 | kryptech | karsten: #gnome perhaps? |
| 03:34.23 | karsten | kryptech: Feh. |
| 03:34.26 | Vamped | search google for dell e153fp documentation |
| 03:34.33 | Vamped | should be one of the first couple |
| 03:34.34 | Wyzard | Wow, that's a very small range |
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| 03:34.38 | nvz | Vamped: i've had 14" monitors that I couldnt even get 640x480 with the correct factory specs |
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| 03:34.57 | nvz | Vamped: newsflash every site on google isnt always correct |
| 03:35.09 | karsten | kryptech: <shift><del> |
| 03:35.16 | karsten | kryptech: ...which I stumbled into on my own. |
| 03:35.21 | Vamped | yea i know the offiucal dell site must be wrong |
| 03:35.28 | Vamped | and the manual must be wrong too |
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| 03:35.39 | karsten | Vamped: dell is ass. |
| 03:35.40 | Vamped | and what windows says must be wrong(this is true) |
| 03:35.44 | nvz | Vamped: you must be wrong for trying the same thing over and over and not listening to me |
| 03:35.45 | kryptech | karsten: uhh.... thanks for letting me know |
| 03:35.58 | karsten | kryptech: NP. Just remember that for next time I ask ;-) |
| 03:36.06 | jessiejames | hello all |
| 03:36.09 | kryptech | karsten: why is dell asss? |
| 03:36.11 | nvz | Vamped: I've had monitors I got them sitting right here, that DO NOT WORK WITH X USING THE FACTORY RANGES |
| 03:36.20 | kryptech | if its a cheap box, it dosent matter |
| 03:36.20 | Vamped | how would i config my moniter as 16 inch tho? |
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| 03:36.29 | Vamped | o |
| 03:36.41 | kamaraju | when I do 'wajig update' it complains about dselect: command not found. I do not want to use dselect and prefer apt-get. Is there any way to tell wajig to use apt-get instead of dselect? or is it not possible? |
| 03:36.44 | nvz | because they are small ranges that dont calculate well with my driver/card combination |
| 03:36.45 | karsten | kryptech: Well, there's so-called support for starters. |
| 03:36.57 | karsten | kryptech: ...there's servicing Microsofts, erm, spine, for another. |
| 03:37.07 | kryptech | karsten: aah |
| 03:37.15 | kryptech | okay... so dell is crap |
| 03:37.19 | kryptech | HP |
| 03:37.21 | jessiejames | lol @ karsten |
| 03:37.28 | kryptech | they sell linux machines dont they? |
| 03:37.32 | jessiejames | ive had no problems with dell |
| 03:37.36 | karsten | kryptech: I was going to point you at a story a friend just shared, but I haven't posted it yet. |
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| 03:37.44 | karsten | kryptech: Not as desktops. Servers, in volume, yes. |
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| 03:38.08 | karsten | kryptech: If you're a large business (US$1m+ account) you might do ok by them.' |
| 03:38.13 | Wyzard | Vamped: Boot Windows, use the monitor's onscreen info thing to see what rates it's using, and extend your frequency ranges in X to include those rates |
| 03:38.20 | kryptech | I've seen an ad from dell offering a pc and flatscreen monitor for about what I could buy the monitor for from wal-mart ;) |
| 03:38.24 | nvz | Vamped: this changes everything.. and explains why its not in my monitor database.. because that "monitor" doesnt exist |
| 03:38.32 | Raa | I've just installed Debian 3.1r0a i'm abit of a newbie and i get Grub loading, Please wait.....Error 18. how do i fix it? it set grub up because its the only OS on the HDD |
| 03:38.45 | nvz | Vamped: I dont know if you ever said it, but when I read the question 12 hours ago, I didnt see you mention it was an LCD |
| 03:38.49 | karsten | kryptech: Short story is he ordered a dual boot, didn't get one, no recommendation on Linux version to use, ended up hunting and finding a Dell-targeted SuSE build. Which works perfectly. |
| 03:38.50 | kryptech | karsten: what if youre a bum mooching off his parents? |
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| 03:38.54 | jessiejames | Raa: have you googled yet? |
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| 03:39.02 | Vamped | i did but it might have been a pm |
| 03:39.07 | Vamped | it is lcd |
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| 03:39.18 | kryptech | karsten: ordered a dual boot.... cheater... |
| 03:39.21 | karsten | kryptech: ...meantime, McAfee hoses the WinXP registry, runs up 120 billable local support hours, and other pain. |
| 03:39.28 | karsten | kryptech: He ordered it. Didn't get it. |
| 03:39.32 | jessiejames | I didnt think Dell was installing Suse... |
| 03:39.44 | karsten | kryptech: Result: one more guy happy with Linux and pissed at the 'Soft side. |
| 03:39.46 | kryptech | yeah.... those fools, they should be installing debian |
| 03:39.57 | wolf4911 | jetx - no AGP on this box - rerun config for 10 times same shit - no device detected |
| 03:40.02 | karsten | kryptech: Personally, I'd order local whitebox. Much better control over componentry. |
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| 03:40.21 | Raa | jessiejames: yeah couldn't find error 18. only 15. i found the install guide from debian but i didn't find anything there either |
| 03:40.52 | jessiejames | Raa: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/09/msg00377.html |
| 03:40.54 | nvz | Vamped: did you tell X it was using an LCD and try the Medium configuration of your head, and use 1024 x 768 @ 60 Hz like the dell site says? |
| 03:41.21 | Thanatermesis | deb http://livecd.debianitas.net/repository/i386/misc ./ <----- MPLAYER new and diferent package more little and fast, with xvid codec and all codecs, and another packages: skins+fonts, frontend in ncurses very powerfull and a graphical front-end for mencoder |
| 03:41.32 | Vamped | yes it is set as lcd and ive tried medium at 1024x867@60 and @75, both didnt work |
| 03:41.37 | nvz | Vamped: X, like the debian helpers make a clear distinction betweeen crt monitors and lcds.. they are very diffrent methods of display |
| 03:42.00 | kryptech | "he got to screw his teacher and get money from it.... that lucky bastard" heh... theyre are so many "Please Teacher" stories playing out here in the US... they should make a new TV series, "Desprate Teachers" |
| 03:42.02 | jessiejames | Raa: my bad...wrong link |
| 03:42.10 | Wyzard | Vamped: Is your monitor providing any EDID info to X, about what frequencies it supports? |
| 03:42.35 | igor | Hi guys! I have a problem running Debian.. I`m getting 'cannot open dev/console' during booting up right after installation.. Can you help me? |
| 03:42.37 | jessiejames | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18 |
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| 03:43.08 | Vamped | i did hwinfo --monitor and it gave me the frequencies i already knew from the dell site |
| 03:43.15 | Vamped | who do i do edid? |
| 03:43.22 | Vamped | how |
| 03:43.29 | nvz | Vamped: are you using XFree or Xorg? |
| 03:43.33 | Wyzard | Vamped: By default, X takes the intersection of the frequency ranges you specify, and the ranges the monitor itself says it supports... I've seen a monitor that had a typo in its EDID data (the upper VertRefresh was 16 rather than 160) so X couldn't find any valid video modes until it was told to ignore the EDID data |
| 03:43.46 | Vamped | xfree |
| 03:43.50 | Raa | jessiejames: thanks. |
| 03:43.57 | jessiejames | no problem |
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| 03:44.07 | kryptech | jessiejames: the beggining quote I took from a court case report from a random online tabloid |
| 03:44.14 | Vamped | can i switch xfree to xorg |
| 03:44.22 | Vamped | ive had better luck when using xorg |
| 03:44.23 | kryptech | the rest was, of course, on the spot ;) |
| 03:44.36 | jessiejames | krypt: after the day ive had, things like that scare me (im in academics) |
| 03:44.38 | wolf4911 | kryptech - so you suggest to try all the options on config script under the sun ? |
| 03:44.43 | Wyzard | Vamped: Not unless you're running sid, and don't switch to sid just to get xorg |
| 03:44.45 | wolf4911 | see if some flies? |
| 03:45.13 | igor | guys, can someone advice me something about 'cannot open dev/console'? |
| 03:45.18 | Vamped | ah but if i cant get my screen resolution up then i might have to |
| 03:45.28 | Wyzard | Vamped: If you look through your X server log, it prints diagnostic messages for each mode it rejects, and says why |
| 03:45.30 | Vamped | or go back to *shudder* windows |
| 03:45.33 | jessiejames | xorg is cleaner - i have no problems with a dual screen config... |
| 03:45.35 | maher | igor: how did you install - what did you install |
| 03:45.36 | Wyzard | Vamped: xorg is unlikely to make a difference |
| 03:45.51 | kryptech | wolf4911: I suppose you dont consider that a fun wednesday night activity? |
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| 03:46.04 | igor | maher: just from bootable CD.. |
| 03:46.06 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
| 03:46.23 | jessiejames | <?php echo "hello world"; ?> |
| 03:46.31 | igor | maher: and also netinstal.. All went without any error.. |
| 03:46.31 | maher | igor: what version of debian did you install |
| 03:46.32 | Vamped | what should i search for in my xfree log file? |
| 03:46.44 | igor | maher: latest |
| 03:46.48 | Wyzard | Vamped: And do check in Windows what frequencies the monitor is actually using... it might be using something that's outside the monitor's published range, but still works |
| 03:46.57 | maher | igor: do you mean sarge? |
| 03:46.59 | igor | maher: sarge 3.1 |
| 03:47.04 | maher | igor: on what arch |
| 03:47.05 | igor | maher: yes |
| 03:47.08 | Raa | jessiejames: that tells me what causes it. i went to the gentoo forum it mentioned about grub but is saying i need a bios upgrate. this system if less than a month old. its an intel entry level server board. surely it would be up to date. i did however set up software raid when i ran setup. it was my first time for this, could doing it wrong cause this error also? |
| 03:47.11 | Wyzard | Vamped: Look for the string "Not using default mode" |
| 03:47.12 | EnsignRedshirt | I have a scanner with a SCSI interface, and an OrangeMicro SCSI/Firewire converter. This "just works" on a Mac. Any chance that I could get this to work in debian? |
| 03:47.14 | Vamped | the monitor actually uses either 60 or 75 |
| 03:47.28 | maher | EnsignRedshirt: is the scanner supported by sane |
| 03:47.30 | igor | maher: i386 |
| 03:47.42 | kryptech | hmm... themes are like girls, I have to change every few weeks to keep my interest |
| 03:47.44 | maher | igor: are you on a 386? |
| 03:47.47 | Vamped | Wyzard: no matches found |
| 03:47.50 | igor | maher: actually on my laptop (Toshiba A80) |
| 03:47.54 | kryptech | then I realize how good the last one was.. |
| 03:47.58 | jessiejames | Vamped: heres a thought - put it at the lowest number you know works, and gradually increase...when it fails enter runlevel 3 and change to last known happy rate |
| 03:48.01 | Wyzard | Vamped: In /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 03:48.07 | igor | maher: Celeron 1.5 |
| 03:48.11 | Vamped | yes |
| 03:48.30 | nvz | Vamped: use this HorizSync 28-49 VertRefresh 43-72 |
| 03:48.39 | Wyzard | Vamped: Maybe the text is different in xfree86 than from xorg... anyway, just look through the file and you'll see a bunch of similar-looking lines that each mention a video mode |
| 03:48.45 | igor | maher: and get kernel panic... |
| 03:48.47 | maher | igor: when you boot can you log in at all? |
| 03:48.49 | EnsignRedshirt | maher: Checking... |
| 03:49.04 | igor | maher: no, i get kernel panic |
| 03:49.15 | kryptech | hmm... kernel panics seem to be todays theme |
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| 03:49.18 | pablum | Vamped, you might need to mess with the regexp, but what does this give you for the first line: cat /proc/pci | grep -B1 VGA |
| 03:49.38 | jessiejames | kernel panic was last night at 3am when my pager went off |
| 03:49.48 | maher | igor: do you have a netinstall cd or cd1? |
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| 03:50.01 | igor | maher: yes, both |
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| 03:50.21 | jessiejames | my kernel was panicing |
| 03:50.26 | jessiejames | my kernel was panicking |
| 03:50.28 | Vamped | cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory |
| 03:50.32 | maher | igor: boot to a cd |
| 03:50.38 | deadcat | i got an error "vector: 700 pc=" when i reboot/shutdown my box. i have no clue whats up |
| 03:50.43 | nvz | also fyi, when you google for linux issues use the proper google http://www.google.com/linux |
| 03:50.46 | igor | maher: already here. |
| 03:50.54 | nvz | Vamped: ^^ you should also try the sync ranges I gave you |
| 03:50.58 | pablum | uh |
| 03:51.02 | Kerr | I get choppy grey bits of bars of picture, and black when trying to view my webcam in camerama... i have an ov511+ cam and loaded the ov511 module, along with the ovcamchip module. what gives? |
| 03:51.03 | igor | maher: I went through all steps and in console now. |
| 03:51.13 | fumbalah | I need a good router package,any suggestions(maybe with web interface) |
| 03:51.20 | Vamped | i did nvz |
| 03:51.26 | Vamped | should i restart x now? |
| 03:51.31 | nvz | Vamped: yes |
| 03:51.34 | maher | igor: what steps - you reinstalled? |
| 03:51.35 | Vamped | k |
| 03:51.36 | igor | maher: I mean I did not reboot by the end of installation and went to console |
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| 03:51.53 | jessiejames | must have been running via X |
| 03:52.00 | jbmigel | ok so i been running debian for 6 months or so now and today tried to burn a DVD for the first time and it didnt work, gnome crapped out saying "error encountered" after it created image, then i hit details and the dialog was blank... anyone know how to troubleshoot DVD burners? |
| 03:52.06 | Wyzard | Kerr: Most webcam drivers were written by reverse-engineering the communication between the Windows driver and the camera, and don't produce quite as good a picture since they aren't written with the benefit of any sort of documentation on the camera's workings |
| 03:52.20 | igor | maher: I went through all installation steps. |
| 03:52.31 | jessiejames | jbmigel: were you able to read from it beofre |
| 03:52.44 | maher | igor: try installing a different kernel |
| 03:52.56 | Wyzard | deadcat: That sounds like a kernel error... if it happens when shutting down, right at the point where the power should be turned off, it could be an APM or ACPI problem |
| 03:52.57 | igor | maher: from CD? |
| 03:52.58 | kriebz | webcams suck; why isn't there a standard for USB frame-capture devices |
| 03:53.05 | maher | igor: or from the net |
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| 03:53.27 | jbmigel | jessiejames yes i could read from it the other day i watched a DVD |
| 03:53.33 | liable | igor: did you boot with the linux26 option? |
| 03:53.41 | maher | igor: try 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:53.50 | Wyzard | kriebz: There might be a standard for communicating with the camera, I dunno, but the main problem is that each camera uses a different bitmap format |
| 03:53.56 | jessiejames | jbmigel: do you have another CD burner in the system? |
| 03:53.59 | igor | liable: no, installation installes 2.4 kernel somehow.. |
| 03:54.01 | maher | jbmigel: try k3b |
| 03:54.07 | nvz | kriebz: there isnt a standard for a lot of common things, everthing from a-z or Ass Wiping to Zebra Riding respectivly |
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| 03:54.23 | liable | igor: ok, try and install the 2.6 with apt. |
| 03:54.24 | jbmigel | jessiejames no this is only drive :( |
| 03:54.26 | EnsignRedshirt | maher: Hmmm... I don't see a Polaroid scanner in the supported section on the sane website, but the "Scanner Search Engine" says that a Polaroid backend is in the "current tarball". It is "unmaintained", but the status is "good". I don't know what all that means. |
| 03:54.27 | jessiejames | nvz: thank you for clearing that up |
| 03:54.29 | nvz | well maybe Zebra Riding isnt as common as I thought :P |
| 03:54.39 | kriebz | but tehre are standards for scanners, disks, and still cameras |
| 03:54.46 | jessiejames | jbmigel: what program were you trying to use? |
| 03:54.48 | igor | maher: so how to install kernel if i can not login? I can just get console right after installation. |
| 03:54.55 | nvz | jessiejames: clearing what up? |
| 03:55.03 | maher | igor: are you at the console now? |
| 03:55.05 | igor | maher: before rebooting i mean. |
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| 03:55.09 | jessiejames | nvz: ass wiping and zebra riding |
| 03:55.09 | jbmigel | jessiejames, maher: i also tried gnomebaker but it wont even let me add any files, says "not enough space on disk" with clean DVDs and 50MB file |
| 03:55.10 | igor | maher: yes |
| 03:55.24 | jessiejames | jbmigel: do what maher said: use k3b |
| 03:55.25 | Vamped | still the same 640x480 |
| 03:55.29 | nvz | jessiejames: no problem.. |
| 03:55.35 | maher | igor: try apt-get kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:55.38 | nvz | Vamped: A linux user said to get the max resolution in the E153FP with Ubuntu using those sync ranges according to http://www.google.com/linux |
| 03:55.53 | jbmigel | jessiejames id rather not use k3b, i dont want to install it |
| 03:55.59 | maher | jbmigel: k3b has an admin wizard that tries to check some common config options |
| 03:56.01 | liable | err |
| 03:56.12 | liable | maher: missed the install bit :) |
| 03:56.13 | Kerr | Wyzard: but there are just bits of grey, the only thing you can tell is light levels.. surely nothing this old can still be so poor :-/ ? |
| 03:56.18 | jessiejames | jbmigel: just apt-get it...its not that bad |
| 03:56.38 | Vamped | i used ubuntu and i had this problem but it evetually worked, but i tried the same thing with debian and it didnt work |
| 03:56.55 | maher | EnsignRedshirt: well - it might work but i never got a scanner to work unless sane said very clearly on it webpage that it was going to work |
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| 03:57.00 | Wyzard | Kerr: I don't have experience with that particular camera, but I know that the QuickCam Express module has module parameters which can be used to tune the picture |
| 03:57.05 | nvz | Vamped: you should if this goes unsolvable too long try debian mailing lists. I still think you are somehow wasting efforts and your settings are not actually not getting changed, or perhaps not using the right driver or something |
| 03:57.09 | igor | maher: there is no apt-get, apt-install only... |
| 03:57.26 | jbmigel | jessiejames i know how to install it i just dont want it on my system, is there something else i can do to see if its configured properly than using k3b wizard? |
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| 03:57.29 | Wyzard | Kerr: Try "modinfo ov511" |
| 03:57.35 | Kerr | igor: man apt-get |
| 03:57.35 | Vamped | i tried the vesa, vga and i810 drivers |
| 03:57.42 | JeffH_ | what tools are available to show the change log for a new package compared to the package currently installed? |
| 03:57.45 | maher | igor: sorry try apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:57.45 | Vamped | and i810 is the only one that allows for 640x480 |
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| 03:57.55 | Vamped | and its what i used to get it to work with ubuntu |
| 03:57.55 | Wyzard | kriebz: FireWire is standard and works well for DV cameras... have you seen the "dvbackup" package? |
| 03:58.03 | maher | liable: thanks - took me a while to understand what you meant... |
| 03:58.04 | jessiejames | jbmigel: stupid question but has it worked before? |
| 03:58.14 | igor | I mean there is no apt-get in the system yet... |
| 03:58.19 | EnsignRedshirt | maher: I plan to use Vuescan for scanning, and Vuescan supports the Polaroid Sprintscan 4000, but when I run it, it doesn't detect the scanner. I figured it was a "lower level" hardware problem with the funky SCSI/Firewire converter. |
| 03:58.27 | pablum | Vamped, do you really not have a /proc/pci file? |
| 03:58.35 | jbmigel | jessiejames yes last time was with hoary last year... was fine.. |
| 03:58.45 | Wyzard | EnsignRedshirt: FireWire is essentially serial SCSI, so that converter may not be as "funky" as you think |
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| 03:59.27 | maher | EnsignRedshirt: does the scanner show up in /proc/something/scsi? |
| 03:59.41 | Vamped | pablum no i dont |
| 03:59.51 | jessiejames | jbmigel: another stupid question - is it on its own controller |
| 04:00.02 | Kerr | Wyzard: ergh.. how do i go about changing some of those settings? |
| 04:00.11 | maher | igor: what happens when you type apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686? |
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| 04:00.18 | deadcat | Wyzard: its an ibook. |
| 04:00.22 | pablum | Vamped, what kind of mobo do you have? |
| 04:00.28 | jbmigel | jessiejames yup it is secondary master with my HDD as pri master |
| 04:00.28 | Vamped | mobo? |
| 04:00.31 | Wyzard | Kerr: Put them on the command line when you load the module |
| 04:00.34 | pablum | motherboard |
| 04:00.36 | deadcat | Wyzard: was working fine before i mess around with xorg+vga (= |
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| 04:00.41 | Wyzard | Kerr: modprobe ov511 foo=bar abc=xyz |
| 04:00.46 | Wyzard | deadcat: dunno then, sorry |
| 04:00.47 | nse | Hello everybody. I recently installed a third part .deb to install a driver to my Savage graphical card. After installing it i got many troubles, it complains that the package is not installed, if i try to install it dpkg says that it "needs to be reinstalled but there is no archive for doing that" when running Synaptic that's the error msg i receive: E: The package s3savage-driver needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. E: Internal error open |
| 04:00.48 | nse | ing cache (1). Please report. What to do now? |
| 04:00.56 | deadcat | Wyzard: but ya. taht was a kernel error |
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| 04:01.02 | igor | maher: I mean there is no apt-get in the system yet... I have got console right after installation prompted me to reboot (but I did not reboot).. |
| 04:01.03 | nvz | Vamped: have you ever read your X log, or know how much ram is being used by the video card in linux? the higer the res and color depth the more memory required.. the driver in use may not have enough memory perhaps to draw this resolution. |
| 04:01.14 | jessiejames | jbmigel: unless you are willing to try another app, i really don't know of anything else...sry |
| 04:01.18 | Wyzard | deadcat: #debianppc would probably have more experience with running Debian on Mac hardware |
| 04:01.26 | Vamped | dpkg says that i810 has no real memory of its own and i should leave it blank |
| 04:01.32 | jbmigel | jessiejames oh well thanks anyway... Ill play with it for a bit |
| 04:01.34 | nvz | Vamped: the X server doesnt just refuse to do something you ask it to, without an explanation in the log |
| 04:01.39 | EnsignRedshirt | maher: Sorry... what would "something" be in /proc/something/scsi? |
| 04:01.39 | Vamped | but i tried usung 128 megs and it made no difference |
| 04:01.48 | Wyzard | nse: I thought XFree86 already comes with a Savage driver |
| 04:01.57 | jessiejames | jbmigel: can you burn CD's with it? |
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| 04:02.05 | nvz | Vamped: you dont choose. your i810 uses system memory.. this is usualyl controlled by the BIOS/CMOS |
| 04:02.16 | EnsignRedshirt | maher: There are ieee1394 and ochi1394 errors in dmesg. |
| 04:02.19 | maher | igor: well the netinstall should have apt-get on it - try rebooting and booting using 2.6 kernel with root-/dev/hdaN |
| 04:02.25 | myren | anyone have words of wisdom for choosing between vnc4server and tightvnc server? |
| 04:02.26 | CLucas916 | hey i just installed debian and now im trying to boot into my new system but i keep getting hung up in the same spot. during the hotpluging ip1394 seems to be trying to do something and its holding up the boot process, i tried adding it to the blacklist but it didnt do anything, any ideas? |
| 04:02.31 | Vamped | so i cant change the memory right? |
| 04:02.31 | maher | igor: where N is the partition number you installed on |
| 04:02.41 | Wyzard | CLucas916: Do you actually need ip1394? |
| 04:02.56 | CLucas916 | Wyzard, no thats why i added it to the blacklist |
| 04:03.05 | maher | EnsignRedshirt: just /proc/scsi - firewire errors mean it probably doesn't work |
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| 04:03.24 | maher | igor: so typing linux26 root=/dev/hda1 should work |
| 04:03.28 | jessiejames | later all... |
| 04:03.43 | nse | Wyzard: yes it does. but it do not work as it should. i've tried savage, s3, vesa. nothing works. don't you have any idea to go round that package's problem? |
| 04:03.45 | myren | oh, very simple, they both just run Xvnc |
| 04:03.48 | CLucas916 | Wyzard, any ideas? |
| 04:04.00 | nvz | Vamped: maybe, maybe not.. the issue if memory related isnt likely to be your system.. because you have gotten the same monitor to work on the same system with other OS's without changing anything.. so its a problem of either Kernel, X server or X driver, and the configuration.. |
| 04:04.02 | narg | Anyone here used kino before? |
| 04:04.05 | maher | CLucas916: it might be just timing out - how long have you waited? |
| 04:04.05 | deadcat | Wyzard: yeep. its a problem with X. shuts down fine without running any X. once i start gdm, i get that error when i reboot |
| 04:04.14 | igor | maher: but how to instal 2.6 kernel from this pure console? |
| 04:04.15 | Wyzard | CLucas916: I don't have experience with FireWire, sorry... but you could try adding "alias ip1394 off" to your modules configuration |
| 04:04.19 | CLucas916 | maher, bout 3 minutes |
| 04:04.33 | CLucas916 | Wyzard, ill try that thanks |
| 04:04.35 | Wyzard | nse: Ask the person who packaged it |
| 04:04.42 | count | debian netboot rulez |
| 04:04.44 | liable | igor: may be easier (and quicker) to just re-install using linux26 at the prompt for install. |
| 04:04.45 | EnsignRedshirt | maher: I don't see anything relevant in /proc/scsi. I figured I was being too optimistic for it to work, but it was worth a shot. |
| 04:04.46 | jbmigel | jessiejames now gnome is giving error when trying to mount blank DVD "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc" |
| 04:04.49 | maher | igor: well i dunno if apt-get doesn't work - when you first boot the cd you can boot it with linux26 for a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:04.52 | Vamped | i have the 2.6 kernel, ive tried the different x drivers, |
| 04:04.56 | kryptech | search engines lie, "Most recently 5 searches: kitchen appliances, cars, etc..." in reality its like "Lindsey Lohan nude, free hot girls, teen girl, teen chat" |
| 04:05.04 | maher | CLucas916: that should be long enough... |
| 04:05.08 | Wyzard | nse: It sounds like a corrupted package |
| 04:05.18 | Vamped | ive reconfigured it so many time with different settings, i just no no idea what to do now |
| 04:05.19 | nvz | kryptech: heh |
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| 04:05.28 | pablum | how can you have a pci-based computer with no /proc/pci file created by the kernel? Does dmesg say anything leading? |
| 04:05.40 | igor | maher: ok, thnx. I will try.. |
| 04:05.42 | nse | Wyzard: Would it be a good idea to remove it by force trough dpkg ? |
| 04:06.10 | nvz | kryptech: apperently people like jessica simpson too.. I see literally tons of that Proactiv shit she advertises for go by all the time |
| 04:06.20 | Wyzard | pablum: /proc/pci is deprecated in 2.6 kernels in favor of sysfs... support for it is available for backward compatibility, but optional |
| 04:06.27 | kryptech | nvz: she looks like a goth whore to me |
| 04:06.28 | liable | Vamped: can you paste the file somewhere? |
| 04:06.39 | pablum | ah, thanks Wyzard. idnkt. |
| 04:06.46 | kryptech | nvz: or am I thinking of her sister |
| 04:06.49 | nvz | kryptech: I think you mean Ashlee Simpson |
| 04:06.57 | kryptech | SHIT!!! |
| 04:06.59 | Wyzard | nse: I'd do that as a last resort... first, download the deb again in case your local copy got corrupted somehow |
| 04:07.00 | Vamped | which file? |
| 04:07.09 | liable | Vamped: config. |
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| 04:07.16 | gothtec | and what do you have against gothic style, eh? |
| 04:07.28 | Vamped | ah whats the site for the pastebot |
| 04:07.30 | Vamped | !pasted |
| 04:07.31 | Wyzard | nse: And if the problem persists, definitely contact the packager and let him/her know that the deb is corrupted |
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| 04:07.38 | Vamped | !pastebot |
| 04:07.38 | Wyzard | !pastebin |
| 04:07.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 04:07.40 | nse | Wyzard: i have already done that. nothing with my package, it is the same as the one in the net |
| 04:07.42 | Vamped | o |
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| 04:08.04 | nvz | kryptech: Ashlee is a little whore.. if there was ever a little girl I'd love to slap i'd be her. She's such a looser. their daddy manages them and gave them both everything they needed to succed on a platter, and jessica managed. Ashlee is a dumb little bitch. |
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| 04:09.08 | Wyzard | nse: Run "ar t <foo>.deb" on it and check that it contains "debian-binary", "control.tar.gz", and "data.tar.gz" |
| 04:09.29 | Wyzard | nse: Maybe extract the two .tar.gz and check that they can be untarred successfully |
| 04:09.33 | pablum | Wyzard, how can the /proc support be returned if it is not added? |
| 04:09.36 | nvz | kryptech: she sits there on her tv show talking about how she has voice problems and cant sing on her tour daddy setup.. then she's blah blah blah with her girlfriends all day when she should be singing to her stupid fans. a lot of great singers will not speak for weeks at a time as much as possible so not to strain her voice.. she just never shuts up and not a single intelligent or meaningful thing ever comes out of her mouth |
| 04:09.43 | Wyzard | pablum: kernel recompile |
| 04:10.05 | Wyzard | pablum: I'm pretty sure it's present in Debian's standard kernels though... to not have it, you'd have to be running a custom kernel in the first place |
| 04:10.06 | Vamped | http://pastebin.ca/17675 |
| 04:10.10 | nvz | someone like her could afford to shut up and nobody would miss what she had to say |
| 04:10.14 | CLucas916 | Wyzard, ill try that thanks |
| 04:10.15 | pablum | ah. is Vamped using a Kernel he compiled himself? |
| 04:10.17 | kryptech | nvz: whoa now... this is starting to sound like me |
| 04:10.18 | CLucas916 | hey i just installed debian and now im trying to boot into my new system but i keep getting hung up in the same spot. during the hotpluging ip1394 seems to be trying to do something and its holding up the boot process, i tried adding it to the blacklist but it didnt do anything, any ideas? |
| 04:10.18 | Vamped | no |
| 04:10.30 | Vamped | i have the 2.6 one |
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| 04:10.37 | Vamped | that i got with apt-get |
| 04:10.38 | pablum | but you don't have /proc/pci... |
| 04:10.43 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 04:10.45 | pablum | and you should |
| 04:10.47 | Vamped | thats a good question |
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| 04:11.03 | Wyzard | Well, I use a custom kernel myself, so I can't be 100% sure the precompiled kernels have /proc/pci enabled, but I'd be surprised if they didn't |
| 04:11.08 | pablum | maybe a module? |
| 04:11.14 | Wyzard | don't think so |
| 04:11.16 | pablum | I have it (i'm on 2.6) |
| 04:11.33 | wolf4911 | kryptech - that sucks - I am running out of patience - FreeBSD was easier to install then this - I mean the system is up and running - but X is busting my chops man! |
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| 04:12.00 | maher | CLucas916: in a pinch you can move ip1394 to ip1934.old |
| 04:12.14 | kriebz | verdict: termwrap is termianlly stupid |
| 04:12.31 | CLucas916 | maher, just rename the module? |
| 04:12.35 | pablum | Wyzard, is there some widget that translates the vendor id and device (etc.) in sysfs to something human readable? |
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| 04:12.53 | Wyzard | pablum: Probably, but I don't know of it |
| 04:12.59 | Wyzard | pablum: Why not just use lspci? |
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| 04:13.10 | pablum | Vamped, you might try getting (regetting?) the kernel and rebooting. |
| 04:13.12 | maher | CLucas916: that will stop it getting loaded |
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| 04:13.22 | positrix | im looking for music player, one that will play all files in a directory heirarchy in a completely random order, doesn't require X, isn't bloated, and has the following controls: pause/resume, and skip-next-song. i was looking at mpg321 but i can't get it to pause/resume or skip-to-next-song. any suggestions? |
| 04:13.24 | deadcat | all these hard restart will hurt my hd? |
| 04:13.24 | CLucas916 | k ill try that |
| 04:13.31 | pablum | Wyzard, that's probably the widget I'm thinking of if it works for /sysfs |
| 04:13.54 | Wyzard | deadcat: No, the worst it can do is data damage, filesystem corruption... no physical hardware damage |
| 04:13.54 | crud | im trying to install compilied 2.6.11 kernel but it wont install: User hook script /sbin/update-grub failed at /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image...postinst line 967 |
| 04:14.01 | JeffH_ | anyone here use 'apt-listchanges'? I type 'apt-listchanges libkrb53' and get a python traceback. |
| 04:14.03 | crud | any ideas? |
| 04:14.14 | kryptech | Okay, I gotta go before people start realizing that the advice I'm giving is bogus... |
| 04:14.15 | deadcat | Wyzard: ok. but i sync sync sync before testing (= |
| 04:14.16 | maher | positrix: ctrl-s, crtl-c? |
| 04:14.48 | analogue | positrix: http://thekonst.net/en/orpheus |
| 04:14.49 | Wyzard | deadcat: That helps, but isn't perfect |
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| 04:15.29 | jbmigel | ok so my /media/cdrom points to ./cdrom0 which is "drwxr-xr-x 2 root root" now wouldnt my user need write priv's to burn? |
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| 04:15.49 | kriebz | not to the mountpoint, to the device |
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| 04:16.14 | jbmigel | hmmm, that would be in /dev somewhere? |
| 04:16.33 | maher | jbmigel: where does /media/cdrom0 point? |
| 04:16.58 | maher | jbmigel: or is that just the mount point? |
| 04:17.00 | kriebz | look in /etc/fstab |
| 04:17.29 | pablum | Wyzard, deadcat what's the worst that could happen, your message logs are unlinked on boot? (assuming a journaling fs). |
| 04:17.32 | jbmigel | dev looks ok 777... but /media/cdrom0 is listed as a directory it points nowhere |
| 04:17.47 | maher | jbmigel: that's the mount point not the device |
| 04:18.02 | maher | jbmigel: the device is probably hdc or hdd |
| 04:18.10 | jbmigel | kriebz man thanks... looks like its being mounted ro in fstab |
| 04:18.26 | kriebz | well, that's fine |
| 04:18.37 | maher | jbmigel: that doesn't matter |
| 04:18.44 | kriebz | burning a CD isnt' acheived my mounting the disc |
| 04:18.48 | maher | jbmigel: what device is it? |
| 04:19.10 | liable | Vamped: have you tried a vga setting and see what happens in console? |
| 04:19.16 | jbmigel | its secondary master... /dev/hdc |
| 04:19.17 | JeffH_ | is there a way to backup an upgrad to a particular package? |
| 04:19.24 | maher | jbmigel: what is ls -l /dev/hdc |
| 04:19.42 | Wyzard | JeffH_: You could keep the old .deb around, but not all packages support downgrades |
| 04:19.48 | jbmigel | maher: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-07-13 21:03 /dev/hdc |
| 04:19.57 | jbmigel | what does "b" mean? |
| 04:19.59 | Wyzard | JeffH_: If you don't have the .deb from the old version, take a look at dpkg-repack |
| 04:20.01 | maher | jbmigel: are you in the cdrom group? |
| 04:20.02 | kriebz | bloc k special |
| 04:20.04 | Vamped | yea i tried vesa and vga drivers but they wont even let me use 640x480 only i810 does |
| 04:20.05 | maher | jbmigel: block device |
| 04:20.25 | jbmigel | oh... well my user is member of cdrom |
| 04:20.46 | JeffH_ | Wizard: okay.. I've already upgraded.. apt-listchanges didn't work like advertized so I didnt get info about the changes before installing. |
| 04:20.59 | JeffH_ | starting to see more and more software that is crap for debian. |
| 04:21.04 | jbmigel | I seem to remeber once while updating it asked me somthing about "suid" burning or something do you guys know what that was?? |
| 04:21.20 | nvz | dpkg gates |
| 04:21.20 | dpkg | hmm... gates is the evil dweeb running Microsoft or a man wanting to send us all through the Gates of Hell |
| 04:21.26 | nvz | oops |
| 04:21.36 | nvz | I meant to /msg |
| 04:21.48 | JeffH_ | sounds like dpkg has a bit of Gates envy |
| 04:22.06 | liable | Vamped: nah, I mean a vga setting for framebuffer, appended to kernel line. |
| 04:22.20 | pablum | jbmigel, your cd writer (cdrecord?) is marked suid root? (4755) |
| 04:22.35 | Vamped | no idea, so im guessing no |
| 04:22.38 | maher | jbmigel: what does ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord say |
| 04:22.38 | nvz | dpkg, gates is also In the world of IT there are not fences or walls, so who needs Gates and Windows? |
| 04:22.39 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
| 04:22.51 | liable | Vamped: try appending vga=ask to the end of your kernel line. |
| 04:23.07 | jbmigel | maher: -rwsr-xr-- 1 root cdrom 133 2005-01-09 09:55 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 04:23.10 | Vamped | how do i add to my kernel line? |
| 04:23.29 | liable | Vamped: in grub menu list. |
| 04:23.35 | pablum | yep |
| 04:23.53 | maher | jbmigel: so what errors do you get when you try and burn a cd? |
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| 04:24.03 | pablum | Vamped you can also just edit in the boot menu (press e?) |
| 04:24.18 | liable | yeah. |
| 04:24.31 | nvz | dpkg, open windows is Computers are like Air Conditioners; When you open Windows they just don't work properly. |
| 04:24.31 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
| 04:24.43 | jbmigel | maher when i use nautilus-cd-burner it errors and gives me a blank dialog, and gnomebaker refuses to believe i hava a DVD burner it only detects a CD burner |
| 04:24.50 | JeffH_ | I find it funny that everyone hates on Gates but they'd do the same thing given his position. |
| 04:24.51 | Vamped | how do i do it in menu.lst tho? |
| 04:25.01 | maher | jbmigel: what errors |
| 04:25.02 | jbmigel | what is this suid thing i dont understand... can i reconfigure that package the other way?? |
| 04:25.04 | nvz | JeffH_: bah |
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| 04:25.07 | pablum | JeffH_, not everyone... |
| 04:25.13 | maher | jbmigel: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 04:25.35 | JeffH_ | okay, 99.999% of people. |
| 04:25.38 | jbmigel | maher: yes do you know what package asked about the suid stuff? cdrecord?? |
| 04:25.42 | liable | Vamped: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.7-1 root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=ask |
| 04:25.44 | maher | jbmigel: probably |
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| 04:25.47 | liable | Vamped: like that |
| 04:25.50 | steve_ | hey- i tried to set my ip address- but i get this error: "hostname lookup faiure" |
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| 04:25.57 | glick | whoot! debian on my ultra5 is kick-ass! |
| 04:26.09 | maher | steve_: what did you type? |
| 04:26.17 | pablum | jbmigel, your cdrecord is okay (is suid root) |
| 04:26.23 | JeffH_ | people can be altruistic as they want until it affects thier bottom line, then things change. |
| 04:26.25 | steve_ | ifconfig eth0 address 192.168.0.6 |
| 04:26.29 | glick | heh can you belive my cs department was giving them away for free |
| 04:26.32 | pablum | er, suid cdrom |
| 04:26.33 | glick | said they were "useless" |
| 04:26.38 | glick | what bums of bims |
| 04:26.40 | ^Lem^ | does anyone know off hand what the deal is with x.org in sid x86_64? |
| 04:26.43 | glick | bums of bums |
| 04:26.45 | jbmigel | pablum, oh you mean its right? I dont get it what is that suid nonsense? |
| 04:26.50 | Vamped | im assuming ill have to retstart my comp correct? |
| 04:26.58 | liable | Vamped: yes |
| 04:27.01 | deadcat | Wyzard: my current solution is DONT reboot/shutdown (= |
| 04:27.02 | maher | steve_: try editing /etc/network/interfaces and do a ifup eth0 |
| 04:27.05 | nvz | JeffH_: not everyone has the same bottom line, gameplan or scenario.. Mr. Technical Support Group Jargon :P |
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| 04:27.14 | pablum | yes, it'll switch groups (not uid...) to 'cdrom' before trying to write |
| 04:27.21 | myren | how do i background a process? |
| 04:27.21 | nvz | JeffH_: get the "big picture"? |
| 04:27.32 | maher | myren: ctrl z then bg |
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| 04:27.48 | Supaplex | myren: shell internal bg, or use & at the end of the command line before hand |
| 04:27.49 | Thanatermesis | deb http://livecd.debianitas.net/repository/i386/misc ./ <----- MPLAYER new and diferent package more little and fast, with xvid codec and all codecs, and another packages: skins+fonts, frontend in ncurses very powerfull and a graphical front-end for mencoder |
| 04:27.50 | maher | jbmigel: what errors does nautilus give? |
| 04:27.53 | steve_ | maher: what should i put in that file? |
| 04:28.32 | maher | steve_: look in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples for inspiration |
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| 04:28.39 | pablum | wait. jbmigel, what does ls -l /dev/<whateveryourcddeviceis> print out? |
| 04:28.49 | jbmigel | maher: nautilus spends 5 minutes "Creating CD image" cuz files im burning are on network, then it stops and says "Errors were encountered" and there is a details button, i click details and its blank! |
| 04:28.49 | ^rob^ | hi |
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| 04:28.58 | nvz | JeffH_: think of people like Richard Stallman walked out on a university, Linus left his job with a large chip making corporation, Bruce Perens left his job at pixar, Alan Cox.. these people could all be doing what gates does.. they rather sit around a play around with stuff and make it better and better.. its not about the bottom line for these people. |
| 04:28.59 | myren | i hit control z, then typed bg, no dice |
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| 04:29.07 | steve_ | ugh- i just want it to have a friggin static ip. this is rediculous! |
| 04:29.10 | maher | jbmigel: run it from the console so you can see the console errors |
| 04:29.12 | jbmigel | pablum: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-07-13 21:03 /dev/hdc |
| 04:29.14 | ^rob^ | how do you compile something when you have Imakefile - i guess shomehow you make the makefile - but how? |
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| 04:29.22 | nse | Wyzard: yes they can be untarred without erros (the broken savage deb) |
| 04:29.23 | pablum | that's okay, too. |
| 04:29.53 | maher | steve_: use etherconf |
| 04:29.55 | liable | steve_: its not that hard really. read the docs, edit the file. :P |
| 04:30.12 | myren | i'm using zsh |
| 04:30.36 | maher | myren: what happened? |
| 04:30.38 | jbmigel | maher: hehe i was doing that, growisofs command failed: Failed to execute child process "growisofs" (No such file or directory) |
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| 04:31.15 | maher | jbmigel: install growisofs |
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| 04:31.30 | ^rob^ | ding-dong? - Imakefile-> makefile how? help! |
| 04:31.31 | myren | maher: control -z isnt doing anything |
| 04:31.36 | Vamped | i tried setting a different vga mode and it did, but at some point it just went back to the old resolution |
| 04:31.43 | Vamped | so im still at 640x480 |
| 04:31.54 | liable | Vamped: what about in console? |
| 04:31.55 | myren | huh, worked that time, weird |
| 04:32.02 | maher | myren: you have a current process running and you press ctrl-z while its doing something? |
| 04:32.14 | Vamped | what do you mean? |
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| 04:32.21 | Vamped | at first it was a differen resolution |
| 04:32.25 | myren | erm, it suspended the process too... thats no good |
| 04:32.28 | liable | ctrl alt F1 |
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| 04:32.49 | JeffH_ | nvz: if you don't think they're getting PAID then you're just don't know what's going on. |
| 04:32.52 | jbmigel | maher do you know what package growisofs is in? synaptic gives me nothing |
| 04:32.53 | Vamped | its what it used to be |
| 04:32.58 | maher | jbmigel: dvd+rw-tools |
| 04:33.06 | liable | Vamped: smaller text? |
| 04:33.08 | Vamped | nothing changed except for maybe 30 seconds |
| 04:33.12 | nvz | JeffH_: everyone gets paid.. people have to live |
| 04:33.14 | Vamped | it was at a different resolution |
| 04:33.22 | nvz | JeffH_: doesnt mean they can be bought and sold |
| 04:33.25 | Vamped | yes smaller text but then it wen to big text again |
| 04:33.28 | jbmigel | maher thanks ill let you know. |
| 04:33.35 | Vamped | ctrl alt f1 is what it normally is |
| 04:33.42 | myren | is there some way to background a process and not entirely suspend it? |
| 04:33.55 | liable | Vamped: hmm, ok. so during boot, it was small, then went bigger? |
| 04:33.55 | maher | myren: some processes won't bg |
| 04:33.58 | myren | i'm trying to run xtightvncviewer, it requires a password to start, but then i want to backgorund it |
| 04:33.59 | nvz | JeffH_: they are doing what they want to. and the money isnt going to change it or own it |
| 04:34.01 | Vamped | yea |
| 04:34.05 | Vamped | well |
| 04:34.09 | Vamped | during boot it went back |
| 04:34.16 | nvz | JeffH_: the money owns bill gates, and dictates what he will do next |
| 04:34.21 | Vamped | it did some of small text |
| 04:34.25 | JeffH_ | nvz: I don't just mean paid.. I mean PAID.. as in big money.. don't think for a minute they're talking less $$ because of 'the love of it' |
| 04:34.35 | Vamped | but then went back to big while still adding text to the screen |
| 04:34.43 | maher | myren: vncviewer &? |
| 04:34.48 | liable | Vamped: look in your syslog, see if there are any clues. maybe paste the last relevent bit of xfree log |
| 04:35.04 | nvz | JeffH_: I wasnt aware we were talking about people making money.. you were talking about people selling out from what I can tell |
| 04:35.06 | Vamped | how to i check syslog |
| 04:35.14 | liable | Vamped: /var/log |
| 04:35.29 | nvz | JeffH_: the point you were making is that anyone would be as evil as gates if they made that kind of money |
| 04:35.35 | nvz | JeffH_: and no, not everyone |
| 04:35.38 | maher | JeffH_: yeah rms is rolling in it |
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| 04:36.05 | fuag | haylo, anyone here using nvidia integrated sound and run into some wierd wierd problems trying to get it set up with alsa? |
| 04:36.30 | Withdraw | in grub (hd0,0) means what |
| 04:36.33 | maher | JeffH_: not all ceo's break the law, and not everyone would break the law even if they were a ceo... |
| 04:36.36 | nvz | JeffH_: these people didnt do it for the money when there wasnt any, and they wont be doing it just for the money no matter how much there is.. they have minds of their owns, and they cannot be bought |
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| 04:37.30 | maher | nvz: no one has "bought" bill gates - i assume the complaint is his actions are both illegal and immoral |
| 04:37.32 | stew | !nvsound |
| 04:37.32 | dpkg | it has been said that nvsound is nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 04:37.56 | pax | !swat |
| 04:37.56 | dpkg | it has been said that swat is Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with |
| 04:38.00 | n0vember | when i apt-get proftpd it runs but gives an instant 421 then disconnects, anyone have that happen before? |
| 04:38.01 | GullyFoyle | i keep trying to get java-package but i'm getting error from apt about the contrib archive |
| 04:38.07 | Vamped | http://pastebin.ca/17676 is my syslog file |
| 04:38.23 | stew | GullyFoyle: /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 04:39.01 | nvz | maher: he wakes up to the smell of money, not coffee like most people.. the money and the direction and flow of money very much dictates his actions, stratigies, and the way he lives.. |
| 04:39.13 | Vamped | http://pastebin.ca/17677 is the xfree log |
| 04:40.02 | GullyFoyle | stew: i have contrib appended to my deb lines in sources.list but it still wont work |
| 04:40.10 | jbmigel | w00t maher,pablum looks like its burning now, thanks alot... I wonder why that dvd-tool package isnt brought in with cdrecord or gnomebaker... anyway thanks again |
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| 04:40.17 | stew | GullyFoyle: what error are you getting? |
| 04:40.17 | nvz | there are people who know that their body is a temple, and their mind is their sanction, and no matter how the money flows they decide where their energy goes/ |
| 04:40.37 | maher | jbmigel: growisofs is only needed for writing dvds you odn't need it to write cds |
| 04:40.59 | pax | !slay |
| 04:40.59 | dpkg | slay is probably $1 <action> brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, $1!" dpkg lops off $1's head. |
| 04:41.10 | stew | pax: /msg the bot |
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| 04:41.23 | pax | stew: k |
| 04:41.43 | nvz | dpkg, forget slay |
| 04:41.43 | dpkg | i forgot slay, nvz |
| 04:42.45 | liable | Vamped: hzyn = 30-63 vsync=56-76 try them |
| 04:43.10 | GullyFoyle | stew, pasted in #flood |
| 04:43.19 | Vamped | thats what i had before, then nvz told me to use other ones |
| 04:43.37 | liable | ok |
| 04:43.39 | Vamped | i know those are my sync times but it made no difference |
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| 04:43.54 | stew | GullyFoyle: you are using a bunch of mirrors that are out of date. apt-setup |
| 04:44.04 | pablum | Vamped, 1217: (II) VESA(0): Total Memory: 13 64KB banks (832kB) |
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| 04:44.13 | stew | GullyFoyle: actually, maybe not, have you run apt-get update in a while? |
| 04:44.32 | Vamped | is that bad pablum? |
| 04:44.39 | Vamped | seems...low |
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| 04:45.04 | nvz | Vamped: 8mb. should be enough for non accelerated 2d video |
| 04:45.20 | CLucas916 | i just finished installing debian but when i try and boot into my new debian system it keeps freezing at hotplug. anyone have an idea on how to fix this? |
| 04:45.21 | Vamped | should have 128mb |
| 04:45.26 | nvz | or wait.. thats not 8mb is it? |
| 04:45.26 | pablum | nvz, at what resolution/colordepth |
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| 04:45.35 | pablum | no |
| 04:46.26 | nvz | Vamped: if your video card used all your system ram you would not be able to draw a picture on the screen at all, your system would fail before it ever started as there would be no room to even shadow the bios code to begin the POST |
| 04:46.32 | k-man | how can i update the global windowmaker menus? |
| 04:46.58 | nvz | k-man: update-menus |
| 04:47.05 | k-man | ah, thanks |
| 04:47.06 | nvz | k-man: in the menu package |
| 04:47.37 | k-man | nvz, will that update for all users or just for me/ |
| 04:47.38 | k-man | ? |
| 04:47.41 | Vamped | nvz so what do i do? |
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| 04:48.29 | nvz | k-man: its the package that controlls all menus on the system. window managers, session managers.. etc. you generally run it as root and it doesnt modify your menus.. that would be against debian policy |
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| 04:48.54 | nvz | k-man: no package is allowed to modify a users home dir in any way |
| 04:49.15 | k-man | nvz, no, i mean.... how do i modify the default menus that all users get? |
| 04:49.30 | nvz | k-man: update-menus from the menu package |
| 04:49.31 | crud | my /dev/dsp has disappeared is there an easy way to get it back? |
| 04:49.43 | nse | what means when one says that he learned something right off the bat ? |
| 04:49.57 | k-man | ok, tahnks |
| 04:49.59 | nvz | k-man: if you want to modify them other than updating them, you need to read the documentation for proper proceedure |
| 04:50.06 | Wyzard | nse: Immediately, right away, quickly and easily |
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| 04:50.13 | k-man | ok, tahnks |
| 04:50.15 | k-man | thanks |
| 04:50.18 | nse | Wyzard: yes they can be untarred without erros (the broken savage deb) |
| 04:50.27 | Wyzard | nse: dunno then |
| 04:50.44 | nse | Wyzard: i sended an email for him |
| 04:50.51 | Wyzard | nse: Still sounds like a corrupted package to me... it's as if dpkg can't find the files within the deb |
| 04:51.21 | kriebz | how disapointing |
| 04:51.48 | kriebz | I ran base-install manually, it installed the real inittab, and it still does the same stupid thing |
| 04:52.13 | nvz | k-man: users are allowed to create their own menus in their homedir that override those menu creates. they can choose in most cases to include the default menus into their menu configuration though. there need not be a way to change users menus, as thats against debian policy, FHS policy, and its just not right. you don't mess with users and their /home |
| 04:52.28 | Wyzard | kriebz: What's wrong with your inittab? |
| 04:52.42 | k-man | nvz, yes, i don't want to change their menus, i want to update the default menus |
| 04:52.51 | k-man | thanks for the pointers |
| 04:53.15 | pablum | clock says 65. I don't think it should be faster than 60 for a lcd. |
| 04:53.29 | Wyzard | pablum: Nothing wrong with 65 |
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| 04:53.57 | Wyzard | pablum: Active-matrix LCDs don't *need* high refresh rates to provide a stable picture, but there's nothing wrong with using them anyway |
| 04:54.00 | pablum | kay... |
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| 04:54.35 | Wyzard | pablum: ...provided the monitor supports it, of course, but I'd be kinda surprised if it actually didn't support anything above 60 |
| 04:54.40 | CLucas916 | i just finished installing debian but when i try and boot into my new debian system it keeps freezing at hotplug. anyone have an idea on how to fix this? |
| 04:54.47 | pablum | no I've had problems when I selected a higher value |
| 04:55.02 | stew | CLucas916: remove hotplug |
| 04:55.04 | Wyzard | pablum: Maybe your LCD didn't support it... dunno |
| 04:55.04 | nvz | I either forgot I ate, or became hungry again.. or possibly a combination of the two.. not sure if I should eat as I will probably be going to sleep directly :P |
| 04:55.06 | maher | CLucas916: did you move the ip1394 module? |
| 04:55.07 | pablum | on a syncMaser 710v |
| 04:55.22 | pablum | but it may have been 70... |
| 04:55.47 | CLucas916 | maher, ya it turned out that wasent the problem, it was still freezing at the same point where the ip1394 module was being loaded at |
| 04:55.57 | kriebz | wyzard: well, I suspected that termwrap was culprit, but now it's running a normal inittab and I still get black screens |
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| 04:56.05 | maher | CLucas916: how far does it get now? |
| 04:56.14 | nse | Wyzard: look this, it is the output of dpkg -i savage.deb : Unpacking replacement s3savage-driver ...dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/savage_ drv.o' with a different file `/usr/share/s3savage-driver/diversions/savage_drv.o', not allowed |
| 04:56.18 | Wyzard | pablum: I guess it wouldn't surprise me if a manufacturer didn't include support for higher rates since they're not really necessary anyway, but there's nothing inherent in LCD technology which says they can't be used at higher refresh rates |
| 04:56.21 | CLucas916 | maher, well it stops at usb |
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| 04:56.28 | pablum | Vamped, in the syslog: line 288: Jul 13 09:35:00 localhost kernel: vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 |
| 04:56.32 | nse | Wyzard: beside other things |
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| 04:56.52 | Wyzard | nse: ah... the package is conflicting with the existing savage driver already provided by XFree86 |
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| 04:56.58 | Vamped | that was hours ago and ive made changes |
| 04:57.00 | pablum | Wyzard, exactly: I think it's more of a 'metaphor' for lcd, for compatibility |
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| 04:57.05 | Vamped | but what does it mean |
| 04:57.19 | pablum | Vamped, I don't know |
| 04:57.40 | Wyzard | kriebz: I didn't see what your original problem was... you get a black screen when you boot? |
| 04:57.48 | maher | CLucas916: try using update-rc.d to remove the hotplug scripts so hotplug doesn't start at boot |
| 04:57.57 | glick | ls |
| 04:58.03 | glick | damn |
| 04:58.11 | Wyzard | nse: I think you should focus on getting the standard savage driver working, rather than using a poorly-made unofficial package from who-knows-where |
| 04:58.16 | CLucas916 | maher, thats what im trying now |
| 04:58.19 | deadcat | bob2: you here? |
| 04:58.25 | CLucas916 | maher, it booted fine |
| 04:58.33 | bob2 | deadcat: about to get lunch, but wassup? |
| 04:58.34 | CLucas916 | w/o hotplug starting at boot |
| 04:58.44 | maher | CLucas916: run hotplug manually and see what happens |
| 04:58.50 | kyu | Hi folks :) |
| 04:59.09 | deadcat | bob2: xorg is working with vga, but when i reboot/shutdown it gives me "vector: 700 pc=" kernel error and hangs |
| 04:59.09 | CLucas916 | maher, i need to finish the install then ill try |
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| 04:59.30 | deadcat | bob2: current solution is not to reboot/shutdown the machine |
| 04:59.35 | nse | Wyzard: What to do now to make it right again? I can't remove the package, i can't reinstall it. What to do? |
| 04:59.40 | Wyzard | nse: Force-remove that unofficial deb and then "apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86" |
| 05:00.07 | nse | Wyzard: Ok, I'll force-remove it. How? |
| 05:00.30 | bob2 | deadcat: hrm, sure it's fro mthe kernel? |
| 05:00.36 | CLucas916 | maher, ok well i ran the hotplug script and its just freezing at usb |
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| 05:00.57 | maher | CLucas916: what hardware what kernel |
| 05:01.01 | Vamped | i think ill go back to windows |
| 05:01.08 | deadcat | bob2: hehe. must be X/Xorg because it works fine if i done use X at all and reboot. |
| 05:01.13 | bob2 | deadcat: ah |
| 05:01.24 | deadcat | bob2: but its a kernel error. |
| 05:01.24 | bob2 | deadcat: is X shut down by that point? |
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| 05:01.31 | unixfool_ | what does it mean if "dpkg --get-selections" says a package is "installed" but "dpkg -l" does not show it? |
| 05:01.33 | CLucas916 | maher, 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 05:01.40 | kriebz | Wyzard: I just intsalled 3.1, rebooted, and near the end of the boot process the screen just goes blank |
| 05:01.42 | deadcat | bob2: even when i /etc/init.d/gdm stop && reboot, its the same |
| 05:01.44 | Wyzard | nse: The best way might be to "dpkg -i --force-overwrite-diverted" it (which should hopefully get it fully installed), then remove it, and the reinstall of xserver-xfree86 will put back the original savage_drv.o |
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| 05:01.54 | bob2 | deadcat: ah, interesting |
| 05:02.03 | Vamped | http://qdb.us/32078 |
| 05:02.03 | maher | CLucas916: oh - you're on amd64 - well i guess you found a bug |
| 05:02.03 | deadcat | bob2: once i start X in anyway. it will get that error. ya. very strange. |
| 05:02.15 | Wyzard | kriebz: hmm... around the time where it would start X, or around the time where it would set the console font? |
| 05:02.17 | Vamped | linux sucks im going to windows because i cant get the right screen resolution |
| 05:02.28 | maher | !comfort Vamped |
| 05:02.29 | dpkg | There, there, Vamped. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:02.30 | simonrvn | what a frankly, stupid reason |
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| 05:02.34 | CLucas916 | Vamped, sad |
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| 05:02.36 | pablum | Vamped, try getting the kernel again. I don't know why you don't have compatibility suport for /proc/pci, but I think you should. |
| 05:02.39 | ricosuave17 | Vamped: i know what its like |
| 05:02.40 | simonrvn | need more patience |
| 05:02.41 | liable | Vamped: have you looked in your bios, in regards to your video card options? |
| 05:02.45 | Vamped | wow |
| 05:02.47 | xsdg | how do I redefine meta in emacs? I want to use R-Alt as opposed to L-Alt. Is it one of modN in xmodmap? |
| 05:02.48 | Vamped | http://qdb.us/32078 is right |
| 05:02.51 | crud | my /dev folder has been completely changed none of my devices work properly and i have no idea how it happened |
| 05:03.07 | Wyzard | crud: Did you install or remove udev recently? |
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| 05:03.09 | Vamped | get the kernel again? |
| 05:03.20 | pablum | uh, what version? Try using 2.6.11 (you are on 2.6.8) |
| 05:03.33 | pablum | Vamped, yeah, get 2.6.11 |
| 05:03.43 | bob2 | deadcat: I don't know, sorry; I haven't seen that before, even with x.org on my ibook |
| 05:03.46 | bob2 | deadcat: what kernel, tho? |
| 05:03.50 | crud | Wyzard : no unless it happened during an upgrade |
| 05:03.58 | pablum | 2.6.8 ? |
| 05:04.10 | Wyzard | crud: Do you have more entries in /dev than before, or fewer, or about the same? |
| 05:04.13 | nse | Wyzard: No, it do not overwrite it! The best way would be to remove this ill now! How to force remove it? |
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| 05:04.24 | Vamped | how od i get the newest kernel then |
| 05:04.35 | unixfool_ | what does it mean if "dpkg --get-selections" says a package is "installed" but "dpkg -l" does not show it? |
| 05:04.42 | Wyzard | nse: Try "--force-all" instead of "--force-overwrite-diverted" :-) |
| 05:04.51 | nse | Wyzard: ok |
| 05:04.55 | kriebz | wyzard: no X. apparently when setting console font |
| 05:04.59 | crud | Wyzard : way way less hardly anything and its mostly folders no hda no dsp and so on |
| 05:05.06 | simonrvn | 2.6.12 is out... |
| 05:05.14 | Vamped | yea |
| 05:05.23 | Vamped | should i just get that? |
| 05:05.27 | Wyzard | crud: What kernel are you using, and are you running sid? |
| 05:05.31 | pablum | Vamped, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11-<whatever> |
| 05:05.40 | crud | sid 2.6.10 |
| 05:05.43 | nse | Wyzard: Still not allowing to overwrite the driver. |
| 05:05.54 | simonrvn | *usually* more recent kernels have fixes for earlier kernels, but there's always the chance there's new and idfferent bugs, so it's really a gamble |
| 05:05.57 | pablum | Vamped, search with apt-cache -n search kernel-image | fgrep 2.6.11 to figure out what <whatever> should be for you |
| 05:05.57 | Wyzard | nse: Try removing with --force-all then... last resort |
| 05:06.03 | Vamped | should <whatever> be 686? |
| 05:06.05 | crud | Wyzard : sid 2.6.10 |
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| 05:06.31 | Wyzard | crud: and you upgraded recently? |
| 05:06.33 | nse | Wyzard: Which flag to use to remove? |
| 05:06.34 | pablum | Vamped, if that's what the search suggests... |
| 05:06.45 | pablum | better than i386 if that's your platform |
| 05:06.57 | Wyzard | nse: --force-reinstreq is probably the specific one you need, but --force-all covers that plus everything else |
| 05:07.02 | crud | Wyzard : been running sid for awhile i do daily upgrades |
| 05:07.05 | liable | Vamped: do you know if there is a newer bios available for that box/ |
| 05:07.06 | Vamped | thats what i got for the 2.6.8 |
| 05:07.07 | liable | ? |
| 05:07.21 | Vamped | a newer bios idk |
| 05:07.23 | Wyzard | crud: dpkg -s udev... is it installed? |
| 05:07.29 | Agrajag` | installing debian on a laptop with no network what so ever that can't boot from CD, do I need the net-drivers floppy? |
| 05:07.29 | simonrvn | Wyzard: and can also break things horribly, and i'm wondering why you're even suggesting it |
| 05:07.32 | Vamped | i think mines like 3 or something |
| 05:07.38 | nse | Wyzard: What i need is "dpkg --force-all savage.deb" ? |
| 05:07.38 | Agrajag` | or is it gonna demand it anyways |
| 05:08.00 | pablum | Vamped, then reboot, and then run dpk-reconfigure <x-x> again... |
| 05:08.04 | crud | Wyzard : yes udev is installed |
| 05:08.14 | Wyzard | simonrvn: He's trying to remove a broken unofficial deb that fails to install fully... the next step will be to reinstall the package whose files the unofficial one is trying to overwrite |
| 05:08.24 | Vamped | i dont see 2.6.11 in the kernel image list |
| 05:08.28 | Vamped | just 2.6.8-11 |
| 05:08.50 | Wyzard | simonrvn: "dpkg -i --force-all" didn't work, so no chance of getting it installed cleanly and then doing a clean remove |
| 05:09.03 | simonrvn | uh, conflicting options... |
| 05:09.17 | Wyzard | nse: When removing, you use the name of the package, not the .deb file... "dpkg --purge --force-all savage-driver", I guess |
| 05:09.46 | pablum | Vamped, you are probably using a different release... sorry. |
| 05:10.07 | Vamped | i use sarge |
| 05:10.07 | Wyzard | crud: udev in sid was recently updated in such a way that it doesn't work with kernels older than 2.6.12... it's supposed to detect whether your kernel is too old and just not run, but it sounds like on your system it might be trying to run, and failing |
| 05:10.13 | liable | Vamped: after a bit of googling, and that memory reported, it looks like it may be a bios issue. |
| 05:10.38 | Vamped | yea i cant run anything in 24 color |
| 05:10.41 | Vamped | just 16 |
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| 05:10.54 | Vamped | 24 says theres no bios mode for the depth |
| 05:10.55 | crud | Wyzard : thats the info ive been looking for thank you |
| 05:11.00 | simonrvn | well, do whatever you think is right, i'm just doing my thing |
| 05:11.28 | kriebz | wyzard: how can I tell it to not mess with my console font |
| 05:11.31 | Wyzard | kriebz: I guess try fiddling with stuff in /etc/console-tools/config, or put "exit 0" at the start of /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh |
| 05:11.34 | pablum | liable, do you know if there's a boot flag workaround? |
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| 05:11.37 | kriebz | although nothing is unusual about this machine |
| 05:11.39 | crud | Wyzard and why 2.6.12 i thought sid was 2.6.11 now |
| 05:11.40 | Vamped | but my comp is only like 6 months old i would think bios wouldnt be outdated on my machine |
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| 05:11.55 | Wyzard | kriebz: The latter I would do just temporarily to see whether it fixes the problem |
| 05:12.02 | kriebz | ok |
| 05:12.15 | liable | pablum: seems to be a driver workaround for xorg, dunno about xfree. |
| 05:12.15 | Wyzard | crud: kernel-source-2.6.12 isn't in Debian yet, but I think it's supposed to be in within the next few days |
| 05:12.20 | simonrvn | doesn't mean outdated, could be that a bios update fixes problems discovered since your lappy was made |
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| 05:12.40 | KodeK | I keep getting all these IPs from China trying to connect to me. Is there any way to block them? |
| 05:12.41 | crud | Wyzard : excellent, thanks again |
| 05:12.49 | Wyzard | crud: You could get 2.6.12 from kernel.org, or figure out why udev is even trying to start on your system when it's not supposed to |
| 05:12.51 | liable | pablum: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27029.html |
| 05:13.52 | Wyzard | KodeK: You could block their source addresses with iptables rules, but there's no harm in connection attempts that don't succeed |
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| 05:14.17 | KodeK | Wyzard, the problem is that there's more than one ip, and they all come from the same ISP |
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| 05:14.36 | deja_vu | hi, is there a way to make x.org's vesa driver accept the VideoRam option? it finds only 512Kb of 4MB :( |
| 05:14.37 | nse | Wyzard: It is now purged. Is it time to reinstall xserver-xfree86? This is my device: VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] Which one of the options in the configuration I need to choose? s3, savage ? |
| 05:14.38 | Wyzard | KodeK: Then block the whole ISP... or just ignore them |
| 05:14.38 | KodeK | the real problem is that last time that happened to me, I got 1000 attempts to try to guess a username to ssh to my server. |
| 05:14.44 | crud | Wyzard : im going to try compiling 2.6.12 but i had an issue when trying to install 2.6.11 kernel grub wont update so i doubt it will work i may just reinstall from scratch if i cant install kernel |
| 05:14.57 | maher | KodeK: i get that all the time |
| 05:15.03 | Wyzard | crud: There's no need to reinstall Debian from scratch |
| 05:15.16 | pablum | Vamped, you could try passing mem=128M (or however much memory you have) as a boot flag |
| 05:15.19 | liable | KodeK: and dont forget to send a email to the admin of the isp. |
| 05:15.21 | Wyzard | crud: especially not as a substitute for configuring grub |
| 05:15.31 | KodeK | liable, last time I did that, I got no reply from them. |
| 05:15.33 | Wyzard | nse: Yes, reinstall xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:15.35 | KodeK | So, how can I just block the ISP? |
| 05:15.37 | maher | KodeK: don't choose incredibly weak passwords, and turn off root logins if you don't need them |
| 05:15.48 | Wyzard | nse: I'm not sure what you mean by "options in the configuration" |
| 05:15.55 | kyu | What's the most simple way of removing all the shit that gnome-desktop-environment meta installed? I installed it for about 12 secs out of boredom and now my system is like... insane |
| 05:16.03 | KodeK | maher, I DO need root logins, but I turn them off anyway. I use sudo. |
| 05:16.21 | Wyzard | KodeK: Google for APNIC, use it to look up the netblock to which those IP addresses belong, and block the whole netblock |
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| 05:16.31 | KodeK | Wyzard, how do I block them? |
| 05:16.38 | Wyzard | KodeK: iptables |
| 05:16.40 | KodeK | I just want to make sure they're blocked. |
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| 05:16.49 | Wyzard | KodeK: Why are you trying to block them, anyway? |
| 05:16.53 | KodeK | what about /etc/hosts.deny? |
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| 05:17.00 | Wyzard | KodeK: They're harmless |
| 05:17.03 | Wyzard | KodeK: no |
| 05:17.03 | maher | KodeK: probably not worth the effort - they're coming from trojaned windows boxes most likely... |
| 05:17.10 | nse | Wyzard: The X configuration script ask us many questions, the first one is to select a driver to load the device. My device I gave you, which driver i need? |
| 05:17.11 | crud | Wyzard : i get error every time i try to install a custom kernel image /usr/sbin/update-grub failed /var/lib/dpkg/kernelimage...postinst error of some sort |
| 05:17.16 | KodeK | Wyzard, because this is a home connection and I dont want it to slow it down in any way, shape or form. |
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| 05:17.33 | hax | i just built my own kernel (and didn't use initrd), and it's telling me that it cant mount / and panicks... |
| 05:17.38 | hax | can someone help me with that? |
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| 05:17.47 | KodeK | Wyzard, especially when they start brute-forcing into my sshd. |
| 05:17.48 | Wyzard | nse: I would guess "savage"... S3 makes a lot of other cards besides the Savage, so "s3" is probably for most of their cards, and "savage" for the Savage |
| 05:17.54 | TNKS | hi all. Can someone explain the difference between the kernel option CONFIG_LOCALVERSION and the --append-to-version option of make-kpkg? |
| 05:17.54 | pablum | haha, knoppix has "cheat codes" |
| 05:18.11 | YaleR | hax: did you compile in ext3 or whatever your fs is, as well as romfs? |
| 05:18.23 | hax | YaleR: ext3 yes.. romfs... whats that? |
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| 05:18.33 | Wyzard | KodeK: Even if you configure your system to ignore the packets, you've already received them, so the bandwidth is used regardles... you'd have to ask your ISP to block them upstream |
| 05:18.51 | YaleR | hax: check the error messages above the kernel panic |
| 05:19.06 | KodeK | Wyzard, but if they can't find me, I guess they'll move on, right? |
| 05:19.09 | Wyzard | KodeK: As for sshd, I just turned off PasswordAuthentication... it's a good idea to do anyway, and it guarantees that nobody will ever get in through SSH by guessing a user's password |
| 05:19.16 | hax | YaleR: well, i can't really look at them now... |
| 05:19.22 | YaleR | go back :P |
| 05:19.28 | hax | YaleR: i'd have to reboot |
| 05:19.29 | hax | heh |
| 05:19.41 | Wyzard | KodeK: Not necessarily... it's most likely a bot that harvests IP addresses, not a human targeting you specifically |
| 05:19.45 | liable | Vamped: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apoirier/ |
| 05:19.55 | KodeK | Wyzard, I know, they probably found me while port scanning. |
| 05:19.59 | KodeK | Wyzard, it just pisses me off. |
| 05:20.10 | kriebz | not returning resets would be minorly useful |
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| 05:20.21 | YaleR | KodeK: have you seen star wars |
| 05:20.27 | YaleR | it's like the probe droid on hoth |
| 05:20.28 | kriebz | make it look like you don't exist if all they do is sweep tc/22 |
| 05:20.28 | pablum | Vamped, look here: http://www.xfree86.org/~dawes/845driver.html, and here: http://tinyurl.com/2nsnl |
| 05:20.29 | KodeK | YaleR, nah. |
| 05:20.32 | Wyzard | Barely worth the trouble though |
| 05:20.39 | YaleR | KodeK: k.. bai |
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| 05:20.46 | pablum | oops, the tinyurl doesn't work. |
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| 05:20.58 | wishie | if i have 2 avi files.. blah-cd1.avi and blah-cd2.avi, how can i join them into 1 file ? |
| 05:20.59 | Wyzard | Let them waste their own bandwidth sending useless packets... it's probably more of a burden on them than it is on you |
| 05:21.01 | Vamped | o |
| 05:21.13 | pablum | Vamped, "Chris Jones reports that DELL has a BIOS update (A29) for its 852GM/855GM laptops" |
| 05:21.31 | Vamped | i dont have a labtop |
| 05:21.34 | Vamped | i have a desktop |
| 05:21.40 | nse | Wyzard: I'm going to restart x. It's time to pray. |
| 05:21.42 | hax | YaleR: i feel like i'm supposed to be able to do this without romfs |
| 05:21.44 | pablum | oh |
| 05:21.44 | kadigibox | Is there a package to make custom debian install CDs to make it so installs on identical computers are quick? |
| 05:21.51 | KodeK | Wyzard, I'll just ignore them, then. But just for reference, whats the difference between using /etc/hosts.deny and iptables? |
| 05:21.52 | pablum | though I saw otherwise... |
| 05:21.55 | Wyzard | wishie: mencoder might be able to do that... I'd just use VirtualDub (a Windows tool) though |
| 05:21.57 | Vamped | and i dont have a gm video card just g |
| 05:22.01 | KodeK | Wyzard, while trying to ban a host, of course. |
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| 05:22.25 | Vamped | 865G i810 |
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| 05:22.35 | Vamped | my video card and the driver im using right now |
| 05:22.35 | wishie | Wyzard: some guy once told me how to do it with cat..heh |
| 05:22.44 | YaleR | hax: dunno :/ I always do it with, without it panics |
| 05:22.53 | hax | YaleR: i know it does, but it's not supposed to |
| 05:22.53 | hax | heh |
| 05:23.04 | Wyzard | KodeK: hosts.deny takes effect when a TCP connection has been established successfully, and the daemon is trying to decide whether it should listen to what the remote host sends, or immediately close the connection |
| 05:23.25 | Wyzard | KodeK: iptables rules can block the packets so the connection never gets established in the first place, which is less of a load on your system |
| 05:23.26 | pablum | I just burned my eggs. |
| 05:23.51 | KodeK | Wyzard: and which one is easier to "maintain"? |
| 05:24.05 | Wyzard | wishie: Well, there's no *general* way to join AVI files, because they don't necessarily contain compatible data |
| 05:24.10 | wishie | woohoo, got it, using mencoder. |
| 05:24.10 | v0L7r[-]n | should have poached them |
| 05:24.13 | Vamped | aww pablum |
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| 05:24.22 | liable | Vamped: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/855resolution |
| 05:24.25 | Wyzard | wishie: But if your two files are two parts of the same movie or something, encoded by the same person, they probably use the same codec and settings |
| 05:24.26 | wishie | Wyzard: mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy -o out.avi file1.avi file2.avi <-- apparently this does a pretty good job |
| 05:25.09 | Wyzard | KodeK: Well, I assume you're already using some sort of firewall package on your router, right? |
| 05:25.27 | KodeK | Wyzard, Well, my server is DMZ'd :) |
| 05:25.33 | Wyzard | KodeK: It should be a simple matter to configure that to block packets from that address range |
| 05:25.42 | KodeK | Wyzard, and my server is running iptables, yes. |
| 05:25.58 | Wyzard | KodeK: No, do it on the router, not the server behind it |
| 05:25.58 | kriebz | wyzard: I don't think that worked |
| 05:26.12 | liable | Vamped: looks your best bet. |
| 05:26.15 | kriebz | what did you sugest doing to console-screen-sh ? |
| 05:26.25 | KodeK | Wyzard, I've a linksys router with official firmware, I'm pretty much stuck to little texboxes to forward ports :( |
| 05:26.29 | Wyzard | kriebz: Put "exit 0" near the top of it, or rename it or something |
| 05:26.30 | KodeK | *textboxes |
| 05:26.39 | Shadur | dammit, nvidia-glx is conflicting with the new libglu-xorg |
| 05:26.43 | Vamped | i think i tried that and it did seem to help but idk, ill do it again |
| 05:26.52 | Wyzard | KodeK: ah, ok, so you can't actually configure the router |
| 05:26.59 | KodeK | Wyzard, not really. |
| 05:27.23 | KodeK | Wyzard, I've been wanting to flash it with OpenWrt, to get more control over it, but I don't have a spare router in case I screw up. |
| 05:27.24 | KodeK | hehe. |
| 05:27.45 | Wyzard | KodeK: When you say the server is DMZed, you mean that the router is configured to forward all ports to it, right? |
| 05:28.00 | KodeK | Wyzard, all but some, that are forwarded to my desktop. |
| 05:28.21 | Wyzard | KodeK: Install a firewall package on the server... I recommend FireHOL |
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| 05:28.33 | kriebz | you could just move the port ssh runs on |
| 05:28.35 | liable | Vamped: I would also definetly check if there is a newer bios for your machine. |
| 05:28.35 | pablum | god I hate Dell |
| 05:28.37 | jm_ | wishie: how about using avijoin? |
| 05:28.38 | Vamped | liable yea i already installed it and tried using it but either i did it wrong or or doesnt work |
| 05:28.46 | KodeK | Wyzard, do I really need another firewall? I mean, I already have iptables installed. It's just a matter of configuring it. |
| 05:28.50 | Vamped | how can i check for newer bios's? |
| 05:28.50 | Wyzard | kriebz: Won't help if they're portscanning though |
| 05:28.57 | liable | Vamped: did you read the docs for it? |
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| 05:29.03 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 05:29.12 | kriebz | chances are they don't waste time looking for non-tpical ports |
| 05:29.15 | pablum | or should it be intel? |
| 05:29.20 | Wyzard | KodeK: Well, you could write a bunch of iptables rules manually, but a firewall package (which just generates iptables rules according to a policy you specify) is a much more robust solution |
| 05:29.29 | Vamped | how do i read the docs for it |
| 05:29.35 | KodeK | Wyzard, oh, so the firewall writes the rules for me? |
| 05:29.39 | Wyzard | kriebz: It's also an inconvenience when you want to connect to your own network :-) |
| 05:29.47 | jm_ | wishie: wait, it's called avimerge, not avijoin |
| 05:29.49 | liable | Vamped: /usr/share/doc/855resolution. |
| 05:29.49 | myren | is there a device for the keyboard in /dev? |
| 05:29.54 | Wyzard | KodeK: Yep... Linux firewall packages are just iptables rules generators |
| 05:29.56 | jm_ | I thought the name didn't sound familiar to me ;) |
| 05:30.08 | jm_ | myren: read 2.6 input FAQ |
| 05:30.14 | KodeK | Wyzard, that's great! So what should I installed? FireHOL? |
| 05:30.24 | myren | jm_: cool, no idea there was such a thing. |
| 05:30.43 | pablum | would you pay a $100 for a set of iptable rules? Mine are better! |
| 05:30.49 | jm_ | myren: /msg dpkg 2.6 input faq |
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| 05:31.09 | Vamped | pablum i hate dell too |
| 05:31.10 | Wyzard | KodeK: http://pastebin.ca/17679 -- my FireHOL config on my desktop system; I'll bet you can mostly understand what it does even though you've read no docs for it |
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| 05:31.21 | wishie | jm_: didnt know such a tool existed. ill look into that. thanks. |
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| 05:31.36 | KodeK | Wyzard, thank you. |
| 05:32.08 | jm_ | wishie: get transcode from Marillat's repository, it's in there |
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| 05:32.21 | hax | i don't understand this, i should be able to compile a kernel and not use initrd |
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| 05:32.27 | pablum | You know what would be a cool app? A port knocker that used one-time pads that you could use in any order, and could be autogenerated. |
| 05:32.36 | Wyzard | KodeK: From that file, FireHOL generates a bunch (potentially hundreds) of iptables rules which implement that policy, tuned to avoid any potential pitfalls or security problems that you might run into with a simple manual ruleset |
| 05:32.39 | myren | i'd like a samba mount with works when available, any suggestions? |
| 05:32.42 | myren | erm |
| 05:32.49 | myren | that wont fault when not available |
| 05:32.55 | KodeK | Wyzard, why so many rules? |
| 05:33.23 | jm_ | pablum: you would still want to have some sort of password for such one time pads |
| 05:33.43 | wishie | jm_: thanks again |
| 05:33.48 | Wyzard | KodeK: Well, for example, FTP is a complex protocol which involve multiple related TCP connections, and iptables has a special helper to deal with it, but it still requires a bunch of rules to allow properly |
| 05:34.01 | Wyzard | KodeK: In FireHOL you just say "server ftp allow" and it generates the necessary rules |
| 05:34.02 | pablum | jm_, of course! |
| 05:34.07 | KodeK | I see. |
| 05:34.11 | KodeK | OK I'll go install it :) |
| 05:34.16 | KodeK | Is there a debian package for it? |
| 05:34.28 | Wyzard | KodeK: "protection full" also implies a bunch of rules to drop corrupted packets, packets with invalid or unroutable addresses, etc. |
| 05:34.38 | jm_ | pablum: there's pasmal on freshmeat, but it's not very flexible - I worked on my own tool for a little while, but it's not finished ;) |
| 05:34.44 | Wyzard | KodeK: yep, apt-get install firehol |
| 05:35.06 | KodeK | Installed. |
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| 05:35.18 | KodeK | I'll go read the docs, so I dont have to ask many questions :) brb |
| 05:35.23 | Supaplex | KodeK: fyi, /msg dpkg search - I hand out fishing poles, not fish. =) |
| 05:35.24 | Wyzard | KodeK: I don't remember offhand how to configure it to block traffic from specific source IPs, since I've never needed to do that, but the docs are informative |
| 05:35.46 | jm_ | you can do that via blacklists |
| 05:36.09 | KodeK | Supaplex, it's ok, I use apt-cache search, but my server got stuck "thinking" so I just asked. |
| 05:36.33 | Wyzard | jm_: A password for a one-time pad doesn't make any sense |
| 05:36.51 | Wyzard | pablum: Go for it |
| 05:37.15 | pablum | I have to say I've been using it for only a couple weeks, but I really like it. |
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| 05:37.29 | aurum | top |
| 05:37.41 | Wyzard | #debian 100% |
| 05:37.45 | pablum | I have it on four computers now |
| 05:38.07 | Vamped | Chipset: 865G |
| 05:38.07 | Vamped | VBIOS type: 1 |
| 05:38.07 | Vamped | VBIOS Version: |
| 05:38.11 | pablum | the package management is head and shoulders above anything |
| 05:38.22 | Vamped | how do i know my biso or vbios type/version? |
| 05:38.23 | wishie | my set-top box (freevo) and arcade machine run debian. as does my gateway, workstation, and girlfriends workstation |
| 05:38.26 | Vamped | bios* |
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| 05:38.52 | pablum | Anything I've tried: redhat, fedora, SuSE, and Slackware |
| 05:38.55 | jm_ | Wyzard: bullshit |
| 05:39.17 | qtipk | i get random freezes during debian install that are not heat related. i have /no/ clue how to fix |
| 05:39.22 | Wyzard | jm_: A one-time pad means the key is a non-repeating stream of truly-random bits |
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| 05:40.07 | Wyzard | jm_: There's no password involved in a one-time pad, unless you consider the random bitstream to be a "password" |
| 05:40.35 | mwilson-pb | Wow... quiet |
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| 05:40.49 | count | i have a laptop with with a mouse pad thingy, where you touch with your finger. how do I set it up in linux ? |
| 05:41.08 | pablum | Wyzard, yes, you just tie a series of (random series, unique) ports to a 'knock' and the server allows you to access the port and removes the series from the list of answers. |
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| 05:41.17 | deadcat | count: thats why its called touchpad |
| 05:41.24 | jm_ | Wyzard: yes, keep thinking that and then go check various OTP implementations |
| 05:41.24 | count | ok, touchpad :) aha :) |
| 05:41.46 | pablum | Wyzard, one-time pads are the securest (except when they are snooped) |
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| 05:42.00 | maher | pablum: except when people knock on your ports at random... |
| 05:42.06 | Wyzard | jm_: "OTP" stands for One-Time Password, which is something completely different. See "Applied Cryptography" (among others) for the definition of a one-time pad. |
| 05:42.46 | pablum | maher, if your domain is large enough, and the valid choices small enough, it's ok. |
| 05:43.06 | Wyzard | pablum: Sounds like a good idea, except for the inherent difficulty in using a one-time pad in the first place |
| 05:43.07 | maher | pablum: its ok that my nmap portscan locks you out of your own box.... ;) |
| 05:43.21 | pablum | and if they knock at random they get a limited time to choose the appropriate port/protocol |
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| 05:43.44 | qtipk | yeah, so, i want the glory that is debian, i just can't seem too. any help would be... helpful. |
| 05:43.45 | jm_ | Wyzard: ok, I take it back, I thought it's the same thing - but I do see various practical issues with using one time pads |
| 05:43.47 | aT-Fusion|Chi | Is there a way to make my hard drive stop caching so much when i do ls -lah? The computer has been up for 290 days. Any ideas? |
| 05:43.51 | pablum | Wyzard, what's difficult if it's all automated? |
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| 05:44.10 | maher | qtipk: what hardware |
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| 05:44.22 | pablum | maher, well, you can probably use firewall rules for that |
| 05:44.54 | Wyzard | jm_: Yep... the big practical issue with one-time pads is that you must generate lots of random bits and securely give them to both parties that want to communicate... if you use pseudo-random numbers, or ever re-use a chunk of the bitstream, you lose all your security |
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| 05:45.14 | jm_ | Wyzard: indeed |
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| 05:45.34 | pablum | Wyzard, yes, I was thinking of traveling and remote access purposes, not as a general solution... |
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| 05:46.10 | qtipk | maher: i386, via p4mdm/p4mdmp, pentium 4, 2.8ghz, 256 ram, radeon 9550, umm, ect. |
| 05:46.22 | pablum | Wyzard, re-use a chunk of the bitstream? |
| 05:46.30 | jm_ | qtipk: and kernel doesn't print anything on console? |
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| 05:46.54 | maher | qtipk: did the box work with some other os before? |
| 05:46.59 | qtipk | jm_: debian install freezes randomly |
| 05:47.16 | jm_ | qtipk: does that mean that the installer itself hangs or the kernel? |
| 05:47.19 | pablum | it's a one-time pad, one series doesn't affect the security of the next. |
| 05:47.19 | qtipk | maher: stable as a mug with winxp |
| 05:47.31 | qtipk | jm_: the installer |
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| 05:47.35 | maher | qtipk: did you try both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels in the install |
| 05:47.41 | Wyzard | pablum: One-time pads work by XORing the plaintext with the stream of random bits to obtain ciphertext. If you ever XOR two plaintexts against the same sequence of random bits, an attacker can just XOR the two ciphertexts together, and the result is the XOR of the two original plaintexts, which is easy to crack. |
| 05:47.44 | jm_ | qtipk: hmm try #debian-boot |
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| 05:48.17 | maher | qtipk: oh - that's odd - i assume you are installing sarge/3.1? |
| 05:48.25 | qtipk | maher: yes |
| 05:48.50 | maher | qtipk: did you check the md5sum o fthe cd? |
| 05:48.51 | mwilson-pb | hrm |
| 05:48.52 | qtipk | maher: yes as in, installing sarge/3.1 |
| 05:48.57 | pablum | Wyzard, I'm not proposing to use the one-time pad as an encryption device, merely as a way of setting a one-time combination to unlock a port for remote access. |
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| 05:49.32 | Wyzard | pablum: I see your point, though I'm not sure I'd call it a one-time pad in that case |
| 05:49.33 | qtipk | maher: no, i'm guessing that is some sort of checksum |
| 05:49.35 | pablum | knock on a series of ports in a pre-arranged sequence that only works once. |
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| 05:49.42 | qtipk | maher: how would i check |
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| 05:50.00 | Wyzard | pablum: That's closer to the OTP scheme that jm_ mentioned |
| 05:50.04 | maher | qtipk: could be a bad cd - run md5sum on the cd image - most cd burner programs have a button to let youdo this |
| 05:50.07 | mwilson-pb | How can it be pre-arranged if it only works once? |
| 05:50.09 | pablum | missed it |
| 05:50.15 | Vamped | well 855resolution didnt work again, so now im back to where i started, 640x480 |
| 05:50.19 | Wyzard | pablum: Personally, though, if I was going to go to that much trouble to set something up, I'd just set up an OpenVPN server |
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| 05:50.38 | qtipk | maher: thanks, will do. |
| 05:50.54 | Wyzard | mwilson: You pre-generate a list of random numbers and put one copy on the server, and give another copy to the client |
| 05:51.02 | wishie | jm_: avimerge works a treat. thanks for the info |
| 05:51.36 | mwilson-pb | And then they lose the list, and now either they can't get in, or you're compromised. |
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| 05:51.55 | pablum | Wyzard, well, you could put this in front of that, as well. |
| 05:52.08 | jm_ | wishie: yeah it usually works OK, make sure to check that sounds is synchronised with the video though, it happened a few times to me when it wasn't |
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| 05:52.33 | mwilson-pb | These ARE clients you're talking about, after all... expecting them to think is going to be a bad idea. |
| 05:52.36 | TBBle | Hmm. Is there an open bug in the BTS about the xorg libvgahw.a (reported) miscompilation? I can't see one on gcc-3.3, 3.4 or 4.0, and the only one on xserver-xorg has been "closed with spite" and I don't want to get involved in that. |
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| 05:52.38 | wishie | jm_: ill keep an eye on it. and ill do some joins with mencoder too..see which one produces better output |
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| 05:52.58 | maher | pablum: have you seen the little electronic one time pads people have? |
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| 05:53.13 | liable | Vamped: have you reconfigured to use the i810 driver? |
| 05:53.14 | wishie | jm_: it says its concatenating the files, so i dont think there would be much error in that.. |
| 05:53.32 | jm_ | wishie: yeah, but there can be ;) |
| 05:53.37 | pablum | maher, yes. |
| 05:53.39 | crud | Wyzard : i tried installing 2.6.12 and got same error when doing dpkg -i kernelimage: User hook script /sbin/update-grub failed at /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-2.6.12.postinst line 967 any ideas? |
| 05:53.41 | mwilson-pb | TBBle: So you're the i810 idiot from debian-user? |
| 05:53.45 | Wyzard | mwilson-pb: Well, the client could be yourself from a laptop, for example |
| 05:54.03 | Wyzard | crud: Sounds like update-grub is just misconfigured. Can you run it manually? |
| 05:54.28 | Vamped | liable i810 is the only thing that works for me right now |
| 05:54.37 | mwilson-pb | Wyzard: I took client to mean "idiot who pays me". |
| 05:54.39 | liable | Vamped: oh |
| 05:54.51 | pablum | mwilson, the list lives in a little rc directory... |
| 05:54.57 | TBBle | mwilson-pb: No. I'm a CyberBladeXP user who's just fixed it with the libvgahw.a posted in Fedora's bugzilla. I just wanted to find a bug to subscribe to so I would know when I can upgrade xserver-xorg without having to go replace libvgahw.a again or otherwise worry about it. |
| 05:55.10 | wishie | hmm, imdb is telling to all sorts of results for 'the empire strikes back'..who knows what year it was actually released in ? (non debian question) |
| 05:55.14 | Vamped | i hate my pos dell comp linux just will never work right with it |
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| 05:55.23 | pablum | er... |
| 05:55.26 | crud | Wyzard : it just says : searching for GRUB installation directory ... found /boot/grub . when i run it |
| 05:55.27 | Wyzard | mwilson-pb: It's conceptually similar to those SecurID cards, except those use a pair (client+server) of synchronized tamperproof hardware PRNGs rather than a pre-generated list of numbers |
| 05:55.43 | TBBle | mwilson-pb: I presume the person you mean is the one who submitted the now-closed bug report though. |
| 05:55.46 | mwilson-pb | Wyzard: I use one of those cards every day. |
| 05:55.50 | pablum | mwilson-pb: does that mean you're in Pacific Beach atm? |
| 05:56.23 | mwilson-pb | pablum: No, it means I'm using my powerbook from a hotel room. :) |
| 05:56.25 | pablum | Wyzard, those are also very expensive |
| 05:56.31 | pablum | ah :) |
| 05:56.35 | Wyzard | pablum: Oh, I know :-) |
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| 05:57.12 | liable | Vamped: did you actually read the docs, so the script runs at boot/ |
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| 05:57.19 | KodeK | Wyzard, quick networking question. How do I interpret the /xxx after an IP address? (ie as xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/xxx) |
| 05:57.25 | ^rob^ | which package contain xf86.h -- i have installed x-window-system-dev - that does not contain ti |
| 05:57.27 | ^rob^ | it |
| 05:57.38 | mwilson-pb | TBBle: There was no chance of the bug being taken seriously after that jackass got started. But I have no doubt that it'll receive attention if filed by a responsible person. |
| 05:57.38 | Vamped | i saw it run during the boot |
| 05:57.41 | jm_ | that's either a number of bits or netmask |
| 05:57.42 | Vamped | it said it worked |
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| 05:57.54 | Wyzard | KodeK: It's a netmask... it tells you how many bits (starting from the left) of the IP address represent the network portion of the address, rather than the host portion |
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| 05:58.17 | KodeK | Wyzard, so if the number is 24, how can I tell what it's actually doing? |
| 05:58.21 | pablum | Vamped, you may need to reconfigure X after the boot |
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| 05:58.30 | mwilson-pb | pablum: Marriott Gaslamp, downtown. |
| 05:58.34 | Vamped | ive manually edited it now tho |
| 05:58.38 | pablum | Vamped, iirc, you have it on some weird settings |
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| 05:58.54 | Wyzard | KodeK: When talking about network addresses, it means the first 3 bytes (24 bits) of the IP address are relevant, and the fourth byte is not |
| 05:58.55 | pablum | mwilson-pb, nice hotel... |
| 05:59.01 | liable | Vamped: can you paste a new xfree log. |
| 05:59.07 | crud | Wyzard : so update-grub is broke any idea how to fix? |
| 05:59.08 | Wyzard | KodeK: For example, 192.168.1.0/24 means any address 192.168.1.x |
| 05:59.18 | ^rob^ | ?? |
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| 05:59.21 | Vamped | k |
| 05:59.29 | pablum | Vamped, yes, but you kept a backup copy... |
| 05:59.29 | Wyzard | crud: I haven't used update-grub in several years so I'm probably not the best one to ask, sorry |
| 05:59.35 | mwilson-pb | pablum: <shrug> I liked it more when it was the Clarion... it had more personality. Marriott hotels are boring. |
| 05:59.46 | crud | Wyzard : thanks anyway |
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| 06:00.10 | KodeK | Wyzard, so if I have 192.168.1.4/24 and 192.168.1.10/24, is it the same network-wise? |
| 06:00.19 | Wyzard | KodeK: correct |
| 06:00.31 | fuag | any alsa guru's in d4 house? |
| 06:00.37 | Vamped | http://pastebin.ca/17680 |
| 06:00.49 | Wyzard | KodeK: Both match that network address... so if you had set up a filter to block packets from 192.168.1.0/24, both those addresses would be blocked |
| 06:00.52 | Vamped | yea but those setting wont work at all |
| 06:00.53 | mwilson-pb | fuag: "d4 house"? |
| 06:00.57 | Vamped | from the backup |
| 06:00.59 | KodeK | Wyzard, so in that case, the last octet is just a placehoder? |
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| 06:01.07 | fuag | mwilson-pb: the channel |
| 06:01.11 | KodeK | *placeholder |
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| 06:01.28 | mwilson-pb | No, in that case, the last octet is what he told you it was, not a placeholder. |
| 06:01.29 | ^rob^ | does anybody know which package has xf86.h ?? |
| 06:01.40 | ^rob^ | i want to compile aiptek driver for x11 |
| 06:01.48 | Wyzard | KodeK: Pretty much. The network address is the one with all the host bits (the last byte, in this case) set to zero. |
| 06:01.58 | mwilson-pb | fuag: Oh. Moronspeak. |
| 06:02.12 | ^rob^ | xwindow-system-dev does not have it |
| 06:03.00 | KodeK | Wyzard, ok. I understand what you mean, but I'd like to read a little more about it. What should I look for in google? netmask? |
| 06:03.04 | Wyzard | KodeK: 192.168.1.0/24 means the whole 192.168.1.x range; 192.168.1.4/24 means a specific host on that network |
| 06:03.20 | fuag | mwilson-pb: ohn0z }{3 541|) /\/\0120/\/ 13453|) 0/\/ /\/\v/ sp33ch m3 iZ s(urRd |
| 06:03.24 | Wyzard | mwilson-pb: I'm explaining netmasks because he's trying to block an ISP in China that's been scanning him and attempting to brute-force sshd |
| 06:03.51 | Wyzard | KodeK: Netmask would be a good search term... or an introduction to TCP/IP |
| 06:03.58 | ^rob^ | nobody?> |
| 06:04.02 | KodeK | Wyzard, if I tell my firewall to deny access from 192.168.1.4/24 instead of 192.168.1.0/24, then it'll only block the host? |
| 06:04.15 | Wyzard | KodeK: right |
| 06:04.19 | mwilson-pb | Wyzard: Ah, been seeing some of that myself. |
| 06:04.24 | maher | ^rob^: try searching on packages.debian.org |
| 06:04.46 | ^rob^ | maher: i think i should add to apt - sources too !! |
| 06:04.49 | TBBle | Wyzard: It will? Won't the /24 mean that anything after the third dot is irrelevant? |
| 06:04.53 | Wyzard | KodeK: Well, technically a specific host is /32, not /24... I'm not sure what it'd do if you told it to block 192.168.1.4/24 |
| 06:05.04 | liable | Vamped: fix your sync rates, and look in your bios, to see if you can assign more memry to the card. |
| 06:05.24 | Wyzard | TBBle: I'm not sure... on the one hand, it's not covered by the netmask, but on the other hand, if all the host bits aren't zero, it's a host address, not a network address |
| 06:05.25 | TBBle | mwilson-pb: Just to be sure. You're suggesting I file a new bug, with a succint description, indicating that I'm aware it's a gcc-4 miscompilation, but it'd be nice to have there for user-visible tracking? |
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| 06:05.54 | ^rob^ | "Can't find that file, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture." -- that's so nice |
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| 06:06.22 | mwilson-pb | TBBle: Yes. |
| 06:06.39 | TBBle | Wyzard: Interesting. Least-surprise (for _me_) suggests it should be a network address even so, when comparing IP addresses (as opposed to allocating. ^_^). |
| 06:06.42 | TBBle | mwilson-pb: Thanks. |
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| 06:07.05 | mwilson-pb | TBBle: Now, against which of the supposedly at-fault packages, I have no idea. |
| 06:07.18 | mwilson-pb | TBBle: I don't use any of them. |
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| 06:07.25 | Wyzard | TBBle: I'd just avoid doing it :-) |
| 06:07.46 | Vamped | how do i assign more memory? |
| 06:07.58 | Vamped | and i just fixed the sync times |
| 06:08.43 | fader6 | I just compiled Apache2 (with DSO Support) and am trying to compile PHP5, but am running into an issue because axps is missing. Can anyone offer a solution? |
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| 06:09.24 | qtipk | md5sum results: 9/1897 files could not be read, 17/1888 computed checksums did not match |
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| 06:09.31 | mwilson-pb | Given all the problems it supposedly has, why do people still think they need PHP5 for anything? |
| 06:09.32 | ^rob^ | how the heck do i add sources in dpkg - i need x11 sources |
| 06:09.37 | crud | Wyzard : would it make sense that update-grub is broke cause my /dev folder is broke? i dont even have hda in /dev |
| 06:09.41 | ^rob^ | in apt - sorry |
| 06:09.46 | Wyzard | crud: Very possibly |
| 06:09.48 | liable | Vamped: look in your bios, see what options you find for your video card. |
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| 06:09.58 | Wyzard | crud: You could unmount the tmpfs that udev mounted on /dev |
| 06:10.14 | crud | Wyzard : ill try that |
| 06:10.20 | qtipk | would all those corrupt files cause /random/ kernel panics during install though? |
| 06:10.25 | mwilson-pb | Wyzard: He's another d'Itri victim? |
| 06:10.26 | Wyzard | crud: probably need to unmount /dev/static (which is a bind-mount that provides access to the underlying real /dev) first |
| 06:10.38 | streuner | haha |
| 06:10.39 | Vamped | how do i look in my bios/ |
| 06:10.43 | qtipk | eh, i guess i might as well redownload anyway just to see |
| 06:10.48 | streuner | md victum... |
| 06:10.49 | pablum | mwilson-pb, because "you don't have to know anything to use it". PHP is surrounded by cargo cultists. |
| 06:10.51 | maher | qtipk: quite possibly |
| 06:10.56 | maher | qtipk: make a new cd |
| 06:10.57 | streuner | s/victum/victim/ |
| 06:10.57 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, the new udev is supposed to do nothing when run on a pre-2.6.12 kernel, not misbehave, so I'm not quite sure |
| 06:11.06 | crud | Wyzard : hmm i dont have either |
| 06:11.20 | Wyzard | mwilson-pb: He's running 2.6.10 on sid, though, so it seems like a reasonable guess |
| 06:11.22 | liable | Vamped: sheesh :P at boot F8 or F12 or something...before grub comes up. |
| 06:11.36 | mwilson-pb | Wyzard: What the package is "supposed" to do, and what it actually does, are apparently two very different things. |
| 06:11.42 | Wyzard | mwilson-pb: (grr, tab completion on your nick keeps getting your other one :-) |
| 06:11.45 | Vamped | oo ok then ill do that now |
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| 06:12.01 | pb-mwilson | Better? |
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| 06:12.15 | Wyzard | pb-mwilson: That works :-) |
| 06:12.17 | pablum | Vamped, some computers let you do that without rebooting (my Dell laptop does, iirc) but usually during the boot sequence you have to hit the delete key at a certain point, or some other key |
| 06:12.18 | maher | mwilson-pb: where did the project get d'itri from? his bug fixing technique seems to involve starting a flamefest before fixing the bug... |
| 06:12.22 | qtipk | maher: thank you for your help |
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| 06:12.54 | streuner | udev is a bug |
| 06:13.01 | pablum | missed him |
| 06:13.09 | pb-mwilson | maher: I have no idea. Why he's allowed to maintain a high-profile package like udev, I have no idea either. |
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| 06:13.42 | streuner | pb-mwilson: he's a kernel-hacker by the way... |
| 06:14.04 | maher | pb-mwilson: he's the main reason i'm not using udev atm... |
| 06:14.12 | pb-mwilson | It's obvious that what he uploaded didn't receive the slightest testing. |
| 06:14.19 | streuner | that's pretty stupid |
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| 06:14.29 | mtnman | man X |
| 06:14.34 | streuner | the main problem is not md - the main problem is udev |
| 06:15.14 | maher | streuner: his response to bugs is to 1. ignore them 2. insult the submitter 3. announce he will never fix the bug 4. fix the bug |
| 06:15.19 | crud | whats the alternative to using udev |
| 06:15.23 | maher | streuner: he could just do step 4 |
| 06:15.29 | pb-mwilson | Oh, udev is wonderful! After all, gregkh says so. Of course, he created it... |
| 06:15.40 | maher | crud: static /dev |
| 06:15.41 | streuner | maher: haha - feel free to sent him patches... |
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| 06:16.04 | maher | streuner: i would if i used udev and was technically competent |
| 06:16.06 | RoundQube | most unix hackers are assholes |
| 06:16.14 | RoundQube | we have a lot of them in my company and they are pricks |
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| 06:16.19 | RoundQube | geniuses, but prics |
| 06:16.22 | RoundQube | pricks |
| 06:16.51 | pb-mwilson | I certainly won't be bothering with udev until forced to. |
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| 06:17.08 | pb-mwilson | And forcing me to will probably be what finally forces me off Linux. |
| 06:17.13 | goodq | Is there a library for system beeps. I need to make the machine beep on the mono speaker inside the case. |
| 06:17.18 | pablum | I went through 4 or 5 MCSE's at one company, before I found one I liked and felt was up to it |
| 06:17.26 | Coke | RoundQube: and they have good reasons to be pricks too |
| 06:17.27 | pablum | I was a prick |
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| 06:17.51 | RoundQube | Coke: what reasons? |
| 06:17.59 | RoundQube | Act like a human being, we are all there to do a job |
| 06:18.03 | maher | pb-mwilson: you probably won't be forced to for a long time - udev is a nice idea but the implementation details will take a long time to get ironed out |
| 06:18.21 | RoundQube | if you're too good, then go start something alone and be this amazing entrepeneur |
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| 06:18.52 | jm_ | goodq: tried using echo? |
| 06:19.09 | crud | maher : how would i switch from udev to static /dev just remove udev package? |
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| 06:19.19 | streuner | crud: yes |
| 06:19.22 | Coke | RoundQube: you need to spend a lot of time in front of a computer to become a good hacker, any kind of hacker, and if you do it too much you will lose/not get the social skills that "normal" people have. |
| 06:19.27 | Meli-23 | Hi, i got a switchbox for keyboard,mouse,screen but keyboard is detected only in the OS (xp,debian) so i can't choose the OS in the boot manager, how to fix it but still using the switchbox please |
| 06:19.28 | crud | groovy |
| 06:19.30 | maher | crud: you can tell udev not to start at boot by some method or other |
| 06:19.35 | goodq | jm_: echo to /dev/dsp or something like that? |
| 06:19.36 | pb-mwilson | crud: Along with whatever thinks it needs to dep on it. |
| 06:19.42 | RoundQube | Coke: lol, agreed |
| 06:19.50 | jm_ | goodq: no of course not, echo -e '\a' |
| 06:19.52 | Coke | RoundQube: it was not intended as a joke. |
| 06:19.53 | crud | bye bye udev |
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| 06:20.05 | RoundQube | Coke: sadly, i know that |
| 06:20.09 | pb-mwilson | maher: I recently allowed HAL on one of my boxen... due to dependencies. |
| 06:20.26 | Coke | But then there's the other thing, the thing that makes me a prick even though I'm not that hackish: all other people are morons. |
| 06:20.37 | JoshH | not all, but most |
| 06:20.58 | crud | well im a moron so i cant argue |
| 06:21.22 | Coke | We have three or four sharp hackers here, but their superb ideas always get thwarted by the morons with the PhD's who think's Java is the only server platform and that following W3C standards is bad. |
| 06:21.23 | maher | pb-mwilson: isn't hal harmless if you're not using gnome? |
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| 06:21.50 | TNKS | hi all. Has anybody with a laptop made the leap to the newer kernel's cpufreq's "conservative" governor? Right now I'm running the user-space powernowd and I'm wondering if anyone has experience enough to offer a comparison. |
| 06:22.07 | mtnman | what is the X equivalent of setterm -blank=0? |
| 06:22.11 | Meli-23 | Hi, i got a switchbox for keyboard,mouse,screen but keyboard is detected only in the OS (xp,debian) so i can't choose the OS in the boot manager, how to fix it but still using the switchbox please |
| 06:22.19 | goodq | jm_: Hmm, that didn't work. |
| 06:22.25 | jm_ | mtnman: man xset |
| 06:22.25 | Coke | !tell Meli-23 about repeat |
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| 06:22.27 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 06:22.32 | jm_ | goodq: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 06:22.32 | mtnman | jm_: thank you |
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| 06:22.44 | pablum | goodq, try it at a tty console |
| 06:22.55 | pb-mwilson | maher: More like useless if you're not running Gnome. |
| 06:22.58 | pablum | you might hav ethe system bell turned off in windows |
| 06:23.30 | pb-mwilson | maher: And it's not like I'm going to ever run Gnome, as long as it thinks it's anything more than a fancy shell. |
| 06:23.44 | goodq | Sorry for the ignorance but ins't there a library of an include file I can link to that would do this? |
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| 06:24.11 | pablum | hmm, didn't work for me there. can't remember where I shut that thing off |
| 06:24.12 | Coke | Meli-23: also, this channel is devoted to Debian while that switch box requires knowledge of a vendor specific hardware product. you should probably try their support pages for better success. |
| 06:24.23 | jm_ | goodq: no, there's nothing needed if your kernel supports it, that echo will do it (of course one can affect it using setterm or xset, so verify that too) |
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| 06:25.00 | steve__ | hey- how do i change the root directory in apache 2? |
| 06:25.15 | RoundQube | reading the documentation would help |
| 06:25.39 | maher | RoundQube: if you read the docs your eyes turn black and fall out |
| 06:25.44 | RoundQube | i love the revolving doors: open, ask question, get answered, leave |
| 06:25.44 | Coke | steve__: you can read either the documentation or the configuration file itself, which is very intuitive. |
| 06:25.45 | pablum | RoundQube, hacker? |
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| 06:26.08 | steve__ | where is the config fle? |
| 06:26.15 | RoundQube | pablum: im a student of life, not a hacker |
| 06:26.25 | Coke | steve__: man apache2, see FILES section |
| 06:26.25 | pablum | steve_, locate httpd.conf |
| 06:26.34 | RoundQube | slocate httpd.conf |
| 06:27.30 | liable | TNKS: using the ondemand one, which works nice, no daemon needed, no config.. |
| 06:27.33 | Coke | steve__: HOWEVER! The Debian maintainer of Apache2 launched a totally insane scheme for the configuration files, so your file is most likely to be found in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 06:28.04 | Coke | steve__: although, you can use /etc/apache2/httpd.conf too, it is not the way the package maintainer intended it. |
| 06:28.19 | Wyzard | Coke: Insane? I like that scheme, actually. |
| 06:28.27 | kyu | 7:26am, urgh |
| 06:28.33 | kyu | Been awake for... a long time now :/ |
| 06:28.54 | KodeK | Wyzard, I'm still reading both an intro to tcp/ip and firehol's doc. What would this ip's range be? 195.97.5.192/28 |
| 06:28.57 | Wyzard | Wow, and I thought I was up late... 2:26 here |
| 06:29.11 | steve__ | hey- how do i disable login as root? |
| 06:29.15 | TNKS | liable, hey thanks for the feedback. By the way, how configurable is OnDemand (or it's "Conservative" buddy)? |
| 06:29.19 | Coke | Wyzard: I prefer making up my own structure based on the parameters at hand. That type of scheme might be available for web hosting machines, but for one or too vhosts it's overkill. |
| 06:29.28 | kyu | My eyes are open like a tiny little bit, heh, squinting at the monitor |
| 06:29.33 | RoundQube | KodeK: you would have .192 - .208 |
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| 06:29.48 | liable | TNKS: it just goes to lowest freq needed, bumps up when needed. No config. |
| 06:29.49 | maher | are other people with fw hd's still getting timeouts in 2.6.11+ kernels? |
| 06:29.50 | TNKS | liable, some of the user-space daemons offer excessive options. |
| 06:29.52 | RoundQube | err .192 - .207 |
| 06:29.54 | pablum | KodeK, check out ipcalc or sipcalc |
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| 06:30.02 | liable | TNKS: no daemon for it needed. |
| 06:30.04 | Wyzard | KodeK: That's a little less straightforward since it's not an even number of bytes. It means all of the first three bytes, and the first three bits of the fourth byte. Do you know binary? |
| 06:30.07 | Coke | Wyzard: and the whole available/enabled crap sucks too. Why not just comment the include lines instead of messing around with symlinks. Me no like. |
| 06:30.09 | RoundQube | .192 being network and .207 being the broadcast addresses |
| 06:30.21 | Wyzard | Not a whole number of bytes, I should say |
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| 06:30.31 | KodeK | Wyzard, yes I do. It's just that binary can be applied in many ways when talking about networking. :/ |
| 06:30.35 | steve__ | is apache 1.3 or apache 2 better? |
| 06:30.39 | TNKS | liable, I hear you. I was just wondering if the kernel allows for some user-specified tuning. . . maybe through the SysFS or the ProcFS. |
| 06:30.44 | Coke | !better |
| 06:30.44 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 06:30.50 | KodeK | RoundQube, oh, I see. Thanks. |
| 06:31.00 | RoundQube | KodeK: read, .192-.207 is your range. .192 and .207 are the unusable in that range |
| 06:31.03 | maher | steve_: i would recommend apache1 unless you have some specific reason for 2 |
| 06:31.05 | liable | TNKS: dunno. I just let it do its thing, works good. |
| 06:31.51 | Wyzard | Coke: because it's a lot simpler for tools like a2ensite/a2dissite to create or remove a symlink than to comment or uncomment a line in a text file |
| 06:31.51 | KodeK | RoundQube, it's like having 192.168.1.0/24, in that case, it'd be the first 3 bytes, and the 4th would hosts, right? and the range is 0 - 255 where 0 is network and 255 is broadcast, right? |
| 06:31.58 | steve__ | hmmm- why is there apache 2 then? |
| 06:32.04 | akienet1 | hallo |
| 06:32.06 | KodeK | RoundQube, It's slightly hard at first :) |
| 06:32.09 | Coke | steve__: The major advantage of Apache2 is that the API's are much nicer, but as a user (and not a developer) that won't bother you, so stick with old Apache. |
| 06:32.16 | RoundQube | KodeK: correct |
| 06:32.23 | Coke | Wyzard: GNU emacs |
| 06:32.27 | litage | what FXO/FXS hardware have you guys have a lot of success with developing production/commercial * boxes? |
| 06:32.30 | Wyzard | Coke: Scriptability is what it's for |
| 06:33.04 | steve__ | whats faster and safer? |
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| 06:33.07 | RoundQube | KodeK: if you think thats hard, then you will hate subnetting subnets hehe |
| 06:33.07 | Coke | Wyzard: I find it is not very difficult to do it in, say Python, Perl or Ruby, but yes, if writing stuff in ANSI-C symlinks are easier to handle than text context. |
| 06:33.35 | TNKS | liable, I got off my ass and looked at /Documentation/cpu-freq/user-guide.txt in the kernel source tree. It covers tuning. I think I'm going to switch over to the kernel-side governor. |
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| 06:33.41 | KodeK | RoundQube, I already do :) |
| 06:33.41 | Coke | Wyzard: you win this time, Dr Wyzard von Stoner, but I'll be back! |
| 06:33.58 | liable | TNKS: cool. |
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| 06:34.06 | Wyzard | Coke: It's a bit simpler in a text-processing language, but you still have to worry about what happens if the user has customized the file so the line you expect isn't there in the form you expect, or if another instance of the script is already modifying the file at the same time |
| 06:34.14 | RoundQube | g'night all |
| 06:34.36 | KodeK | RoundQube, I just installed ipcalc. Nice utility :) |
| 06:34.44 | Wyzard | Coke: Symlinks are the simplest to code, and don't have concurrency issues |
| 06:35.10 | KodeK | pablum, ty for the tip :) ipcalc is nice |
| 06:35.17 | goodq | jm_: I don't understand why its not working. 'xset b on' and 'setterm -blength 10' still woun't make the thing beep givin the command echo -e '\a' |
| 06:35.21 | Wyzard | OK, 2:30am here, and work in the morning... goodnight, #debian |
| 06:35.21 | CLucas916 | im trying to apt-get install x-window-system but after everything is downloaded it stalls on "preconfiguring packages..." anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 06:35.24 | pablum | cool |
| 06:35.51 | jm_ | goodq: are you on console or in X? |
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| 06:36.44 | CLucas916 | im trying to apt-get install x-window-system but after everything is downloaded it stalls on "preconfiguring packages..." anyone know how to fix this? |
| 06:36.48 | jvn | anyone have problems with mozilla-firefox-gnome-support pkg? i've installed it but firefox still doesn't have gnome support |
| 06:37.02 | jm_ | goodq: -blength 10 is plain wrong if you want to hear a beep |
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| 06:37.09 | Guerin | CLucas916: no error message, just stalling? for how long? |
| 06:37.12 | cahoot | goodq: if you run a 2.6 kernel make sure you have pc-speaker enabled - module name pcspkr |
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| 06:37.26 | CLucas916 | Guerin, bout 5-6 minutes now |
| 06:37.30 | jm_ | yeah I told him he needs kernel support too |
| 06:37.35 | CLucas916 | no errors just stalls |
| 06:37.44 | Guerin | CLucas916: try aptitude |
| 06:37.52 | CLucas916 | Guerin, good idea |
| 06:37.58 | Guerin | CLucas916: shouldn't make any difference, but you never know |
| 06:37.58 | crud | ok i deleted udev how do i fix my ultra mangled /dev folder |
| 06:38.08 | Coke | CLucas916: what debian version are you using? |
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| 06:38.25 | maher | crud: MAKEDEV |
| 06:38.32 | CLucas916 | Coke, etch amd64 |
| 06:38.49 | goodq | jm_: I tried both, also module pcspkr is in the /proc/modules list. |
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| 06:39.12 | maher | CLucas916: you seem to be finding the bleed bit of bleeding edge |
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| 06:39.28 | CLucas916 | maher, :D |
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| 06:39.47 | KodeK | Wyzard, is it possible to set up firehol with 2 "eth0" interfaces, one with a set of rules for the lan, and one with a set of rules for the inet? |
| 06:39.47 | Coke | etch isn't bleeding edge. it's the bleeding edge wiped with a paper towel. |
| 06:39.52 | CLucas916 | maher, isnt sid more unstable then etch? |
| 06:40.14 | maher | CLucas916: yes |
| 06:40.16 | Marf | hello, does anyone know tor (http://tor.eff.org/) and can tell me how well it works yet? |
| 06:40.18 | Coke | CLucas916: yes, but unfortunately not all issues are found before they move to etch. |
| 06:40.21 | pablum | if you want (pure) amd64 you have to bleed |
| 06:40.24 | CLucas916 | oh |
| 06:40.25 | liable | KodeK: yes. |
| 06:40.26 | Wyzard | KodeK: no |
| 06:40.30 | KodeK | haha |
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| 06:40.41 | crud | maher : i tried ./MAKEDEV -v update and got : .devfsd presence implies active DevFS. aborting MAKEDEV invocation |
| 06:40.44 | maher | CLucas916: amd64 is a newish arch - its going to take a while to work out all the kernel bugs |
| 06:40.48 | jm_ | goodq: ok, so setterm -blength 300 -bfreq 500 (you can experiment with numbers) |
| 06:40.51 | Wyzard | KodeK: Not if your server only has one network interface |
| 06:40.55 | jm_ | goodq: this is a command for console |
| 06:40.57 | maher | crud: you seem to be using devfs now |
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| 06:41.25 | KodeK | Wyzard, that's the thing. I want it to block some ports from the internet, but allow them locally. |
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| 06:41.44 | CLucas916 | Guerin, it didnt make a difference |
| 06:41.46 | crud | hmm |
| 06:41.49 | Wyzard | KodeK: Then what you can do is tell it to allow those services only from your LAN's private network address |
| 06:41.59 | Guerin | CLucas916: shouldn't, either. strace it, see where it stops |
| 06:42.06 | Wyzard | KodeK: 192.168.1.0/24 or whatever you use |
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| 06:42.27 | KodeK | Wyzard, I see what you mean. I'll be right back :) |
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| 06:43.34 | goodq | jm_: Your a god. |
| 06:43.46 | CLucas916 | Guerin, i havent the slightest clue what all this text means |
| 06:43.47 | goodq | jm_: Thanks man. |
| 06:44.05 | maher | CLucas916: paste the last 20 lines in #flood |
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| 06:44.20 | NaXiToItOiTo | ke wea giles conchetumare!!! |
| 06:44.39 | NaXiToItOiTo | pelean a cortes marikones qliaos |
| 06:44.41 | pablum | !es ? |
| 06:44.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:44.44 | NaXiToItOiTo | VIVA CHILE!!!!!!!! |
| 06:44.46 | crud | maher : should i not use devfs? |
| 06:44.58 | NaXiToItOiTo | VIVA CHILE!!!!!!!! |
| 06:45.03 | maher | crud: its likde udev but older andmore broken |
| 06:45.08 | CaDo_SiemS | VIDA CHILE!!!!!! |
| 06:45.12 | NaXiToItOiTo | xD |
| 06:45.17 | CaDo_SiemS | VIDA CHILE!!!!!! |
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| 06:45.22 | crud | d'oh |
| 06:45.23 | jm_ | goodq: enjoy |
| 06:45.24 | pablum | I think maricone is slang for "homo" |
| 06:45.25 | Wyzard | Great, Chilean trolls |
| 06:45.35 | KodeK | Hah. |
| 06:45.38 | NaXiToItOiTo | oigan qliaos |
| 06:45.42 | NaXiToItOiTo | alguien habla español? |
| 06:45.44 | Wyzard | !es |
| 06:45.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 06:45.58 | deadcat | why is the dist-upgrade want to remove xine-ui and libxine? |
| 06:46.07 | KodeK | NaXiToItOiTo, si necesitas ayuda en español, usa el canal #debian-es ^ |
| 06:46.07 | maher | deadcat: lib transitions |
| 06:46.23 | NaXiToItOiTo | AGUANCHUNLERON CONCHETUMARE AGUANCHUNLERO??? |
| 06:46.25 | NaXiToItOiTo | AGUANCHUNLERON CONCHETUMARE AGUANCHUNLERO??? |
| 06:46.30 | KodeK | He's just trolling. |
| 06:46.31 | deadcat | maher: but xine will be back though right? because mplayer can suck my cock |
| 06:46.34 | crud | maher : i dont have devfsd installed |
| 06:46.36 | NaXiToItOiTo | (a) |
| 06:46.38 | Guerin | !ops NaXiToItOiTo fucktard |
| 06:46.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: NaXiToItOiTo fucktard |
| 06:46.50 | KodeK | Hah, nice message to the ops |
| 06:47.07 | CaDo_SiemS | Piko conchesumare |
| 06:47.12 | maher | deadcat: don't update for a bit if there are still lib conficts - or just put everything on hold... |
| 06:47.15 | Guerin | CLucas916: it's ok ... it should stop eventually, paste the last screenful or so up to a httpd |
| 06:47.18 | CaDo_SiemS | te sakan caca maricon qlio |
| 06:47.22 | maher | deadcat: or rebuild xine yourself... |
| 06:47.26 | KodeK | CaDo_SiemS, hah. |
| 06:47.26 | deadcat | maher: ok. will do for now. |
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| 06:48.02 | Guerin | !cl |
| 06:48.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cl is common lisp |
| 06:48.05 | CaDo_SiemS | pajaron chuchesumare |
| 06:48.21 | Guerin | chile |
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| 06:50.16 | CaDo_SiemS | chupenla maricon |
| 06:50.19 | CaDo_SiemS | maricones |
| 06:50.38 | KodeK | I just finished installing debian, and this ip is already trying to brute-force into my server: 61.144.67.212 <--die ip, die. |
| 06:50.52 | deadcat | KodeK: ssh? |
| 06:50.56 | Guerin | !tell CaDo_SiemS about es |
| 06:51.14 | Guerin | KodeK: no surprises |
| 06:51.31 | KodeK | deadcat, yes, ssh. |
| 06:51.44 | pablum | a lot of them on mine, too. That one's china. |
| 06:51.45 | KodeK | Guerin, I feel safe, though. :) |
| 06:51.56 | deadcat | KodeK: you're not alone. its just random shit |
| 06:51.57 | KodeK | pablum, yeah, for some reason, most of them come from china. |
| 06:52.15 | pablum | KodeK, I see a lot from Texas and Florida, too. |
| 06:52.25 | KodeK | pablum, how many attempts a month? |
| 06:52.38 | KodeK | I get about 1000 different usernames a month. |
| 06:52.46 | Guerin | KodeK: running your sshd on !22 solves that particular problem |
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| 06:52.52 | pablum | A month? I don't know. scores per day I think |
| 06:53.04 | KodeK | Heh. |
| 06:53.09 | deadcat | ati with xorg is only giving me 65fps when i glxgears. whats up with that? |
| 06:53.22 | KodeK | deadcat, accel off? |
| 06:53.37 | deadcat | KodeK: xorg.conf? |
| 06:53.46 | KodeK | I'm the noob here |
| 06:53.47 | KodeK | but yes |
| 06:54.01 | maher | KodeK: i get about 2-3k a week |
| 06:54.03 | deadcat | KodeK: show me the code |
| 06:54.13 | kriebz | ok |
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| 06:54.14 | kriebz | so |
| 06:54.14 | KodeK | I spent about a month trying to get it working in my ubuntu partition. |
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| 06:54.22 | KodeK | deadcat, I'm using windows right now. Sorry :( |
| 06:54.31 | kriebz | if anyone remembers my plight, I changed vga cards and it works |
| 06:54.33 | kriebz | oh well |
| 06:54.47 | maher | kriebz: thats's $2 well spent! :) |
| 06:54.52 | kriebz | certain Trident's are not 3.1 compatible |
| 06:55.11 | KodeK | deadcat, but I remember, when I had acceleration off, I used to get like 150 fps, not 65. |
| 06:55.15 | KodeK | What kind of video card? |
| 06:55.18 | kriebz | hehe, box of old ones, havested long ago. |
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| 06:56.00 | deadcat | KodeK: ati radeon 7500 |
| 06:56.46 | pablum | bleeding edge for linux |
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| 06:57.06 | KodeK | deadcat, are you using the latest drivers? |
| 06:57.23 | deadcat | KodeK: what the f? no 3rd party driver |
| 06:57.24 | TNKS | liable, I had a question. Did you set up an init.d script to automatically migrate the cpufreq governor from the default "performance" to OnDemand? |
| 06:57.33 | TNKS | liable, where's the best place to do a thing like that? |
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| 06:59.24 | KodeK | Wyzard, would \"server icmp accept src "192.168.1.0/24" \" work for LAN only? |
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| 06:59.33 | KodeK | Does it drop the other packets by default? |
| 06:59.42 | KodeK | wow, wrong ""'s |
| 06:59.43 | KodeK | :) |
| 07:00.37 | jm_ | TNKS: does the kernel fill in min and max freq values by itself? |
| 07:00.45 | Wyzard | KodeK: The non-matching packets are handled by the "policy", which is probably (and should be) "reject", so yes, they get rejected |
| 07:01.14 | TNKS | jm_, I'm assuming there are defaults there. |
| 07:01.22 | jm_ | TNKS: but you didn't check them? |
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| 07:03.29 | TNKS | jm_, however, I think I'm talking about something different. The kernel only lets me set as a default governor either "performance" or "user space", which works out fine, because the user space governors have init.d scripts that enable them on startup. However, if I want to use OnDemand or the Conservative governor, I think I'll need to enable them some otherway (because the kernel doesn't allow me to set them as a default). |
| 07:04.09 | liable | TNKS: echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor I have a little script that runs that, plus a few other things needing done at boot. |
| 07:04.20 | jm_ | TNKS: no you just echo that into the sysfs file |
| 07:04.27 | jm_ | TNKS: and stop userspace one |
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| 07:05.29 | jm_ | TNKS: scaling_available_governors only lists two for you? |
| 07:06.13 | liable | deadcat: I have that card working ok, ~600 fps. |
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| 07:07.27 | liable | TNKS: that governer isnt compiled by default, you need to recompile kernel. (I compile it in personally) |
| 07:07.32 | deadcat | liable: let me borrow your xorg.conf please |
| 07:07.47 | liable | deadcat: what ati module you using? |
| 07:07.55 | billatq | Wouldn't that make him "liable" for mistakes? |
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| 07:08.03 | deadcat | liable: are you using any special drivers? or just the one came with xorg? i have radeon,drm,agpart... loaded, xorg is using radeon |
| 07:08.05 | jm_ | TNKS: yeah, or if it's compiled as a module load it |
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| 07:08.17 | TNKS | liable, cool. Did you set up a standard "start | stop | restart" -style init.d script? Or does Debian have a better way to specify commands that need to be run at "the usual" run-levels? |
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| 07:08.42 | liable | TNKS: no, it doesnt need to be unloaded or anything. |
| 07:08.44 | deadcat | liable: #xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 > /dev/null & |
| 07:08.49 | deadcat | oops |
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| 07:09.16 | liable | deadcat: rolled your own kernel? |
| 07:09.19 | deadcat | liable: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/sysbackup.pandora/hourly/etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:09.19 | jm_ | odd, can't configure if I want performance governor at all |
| 07:09.29 | deadcat | liable: ya. 2.6.11.12 right now |
| 07:10.16 | TNKS | liable, I know, but I thought that Debian has the whole K* and S* method of handling the run-levels through symlinks, so I was under the impression that all the scripts in init.d should accept at least "start" and "stop" as arguments. |
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| 07:10.55 | jm_ | TNKS: that makes sense - you could have it enable the governor of your choice with start, and switch back to default with stop |
| 07:10.59 | liable | TNKS: look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 07:11.48 | liable | deadcat: worked ok with xfree? |
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| 07:12.12 | TNKS | liable, jm_, that's great. I never noticed that skeleton was there. |
| 07:12.12 | deadcat | liable: ya. was working fine before. the gears were slow but i get like 500fps |
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| 07:12.58 | cire | When I throttle my CPU to 50% using acpi, (P3 mobile), should /proc/cpuinfo show me the actual or the maximum Mhz? |
| 07:13.23 | liable | deadcat: hmph, dunno, no difference for me with xorg. |
| 07:14.08 | deadcat | liable: you use radeon or ati? i also have MergedFB in there. and composite true there too. |
| 07:14.38 | liable | deadcat: agpart? |
| 07:14.47 | jm_ | cire: what does it show you? I'd say it would show whatever was detected at boot |
| 07:14.52 | deadcat | liable: ya loaded. |
| 07:15.10 | deadcat | liable: are you using any 3rd party ati driver? |
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| 07:15.35 | liable | deadcat: nah, kernel, new driver, and agpart ati radeon. |
| 07:15.36 | cire | This is what I also think. Thankls for your opinion. |
| 07:15.55 | deadcat | liable: new driver? agpart ati radeon? |
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| 07:16.06 | kd5uzz | what is the format for .forward? |
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| 07:16.26 | deadcat | kd5uzz: emailaddr or \userid. google the mofo |
| 07:17.12 | kd5uzz | I've been googling.. .forward searches for 'forward' :-( |
| 07:17.20 | kd5uzz | I think I've got it though...thanks :-) |
| 07:17.20 | deadcat | dot forward |
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| 07:17.42 | natcity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:18.08 | liable | deadcat: graphics support, fb support, the new driver, ie, not the old one :P, character devices, agpart dri, and ati radeon. |
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| 07:18.46 | ethics | does pci-e need any agp stuff at all? |
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| 07:19.14 | ethics | seems im loading agpgart on boot |
| 07:19.40 | knighttemplar | which version you dl from this mirrors? |
| 07:19.42 | knighttemplar | http://www.nl.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 07:19.51 | knighttemplar | woody or sarge? |
| 07:19.55 | doomic | hi all... xorg does'nt support the nvidia driver,i know.. But xorg even does'nt support nv driver?Xorg is not opening because of the no screens found errors.. but i have dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xorg... Any ideas |
| 07:20.14 | jm_ | doomic: check X logfile |
| 07:20.24 | doomic | jm_ checked the logfile |
| 07:20.31 | liable | deadcat: tried vesa? |
| 07:20.34 | ethics | doomic: im using nvidia drive with xorg......... |
| 07:20.34 | cire | Is it possible to get the current CPU frequency? |
| 07:20.37 | jm_ | doomic: and? |
| 07:20.40 | doomic | only saw the no screens found interesting jm_ |
| 07:20.43 | doomic | ethics how then |
| 07:20.48 | jm_ | doomic: paste it somewhere (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 07:20.53 | ethics | doomic i installed it.... |
| 07:21.17 | doomic | ethics my kernel has the nvidia module.. i installed with module-assistant |
| 07:21.26 | doomic | but i tried with both nv and nvidia |
| 07:21.31 | pablum | cire, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:21.31 | jm_ | cire: not sure with ACPI, but if you're using cpufreq, then read cpufreq docs |
| 07:21.32 | doomic | not working with xorg |
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| 07:21.52 | crud | cire : i think cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:22.11 | ethics | im using 866X its experimental and i just moved from etch to ubuntu so im sorta special but i dont see why it wouldn't i did nothing different |
| 07:22.30 | cire | okay, I'll do so. pablum & crud : not sure whether this shows my actual or my boot-up CPU frequency. (using CPU throttling) |
| 07:22.39 | ethics | doomic, sorry 766x |
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| 07:23.09 | knighttemplar | help ? |
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| 07:23.18 | Emanuelez_ | hello |
| 07:23.23 | crud | cire : gkrellm has a plugin that shows current freq |
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| 07:23.28 | KodeK | I just got some binaries, and the README just says "make a directory and extract everything in there," but where should I put the files to keep directory structure consistency? |
| 07:23.32 | liable | !d-i knighttemplar |
| 07:23.33 | dpkg | knighttemplar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:23.46 | Emanuelez_ | i'm about to install a backup server in my lan (bacula). is debian stable the one for me? |
| 07:24.09 | ethics | doomic, /j #flood |
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| 07:24.25 | doomic | ethics i am at the console how can i paste |
| 07:24.40 | liable | doomic: install gpm |
| 07:24.52 | ethics | doomic no idea but ill paste proof it works heheh and my config |
| 07:25.48 | doomic | ok i have gpm |
| 07:26.00 | doomic | but i will upload the log with ftp |
| 07:26.27 | ethics | actually my xorg.conf has only one line atm for driver and its "nvidia" |
| 07:27.11 | ethics | doomic, did you load glx after you did the M-A? and load the driver? |
| 07:27.18 | doomic | ethics http://valherulord.siteburg.com/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:27.19 | pablum | ubuntu + proprietary drivers? |
| 07:27.51 | KodeK | So where should I install these files? |
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| 07:28.27 | doomic | M-A whats that |
| 07:28.51 | liable | KodeK: how do we know, when you are talking about god knows what binaries you have downloaded? |
| 07:29.02 | doomic | ethics when using xfree i had an nvidia driver running |
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| 07:29.54 | doomic | ethics also look at that: http://valherulord.siteburg.com/xorg.conf |
| 07:30.17 | KodeK | liable, it's a ventrilo server. |
| 07:30.26 | KodeK | it has no installer. |
| 07:30.56 | qtipk | hmmm, i had 9 unable to read files and 17 incorrect checksum computations on my first try of debian. i downloaded the buisness card version and burned /it/ and it has 9 files unable to read and 17 incorrect checksums |
| 07:31.07 | qtipk | debian cd that is |
| 07:31.14 | doomic | please take a look at that: i am having problems with xorg for 12 hourshttp://valherulord.siteburg.com/xorg.conf |
| 07:31.23 | doomic | please take a look at that: i am having problems with xorg for 12 hours http://valherulord.siteburg.com/xorg.conf |
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| 07:31.50 | liable | KodeK: follow the readme. Or google for a howto. |
| 07:32.16 | liable | doomic: why not just go back to xfree, untill xorg gets sorted? |
| 07:32.18 | knighttemplar | dkpg: i have woody , just wanted to know where to get sarge thanks for link |
| 07:32.28 | KodeK | liable, no, no. I just want to know where I can find linux's "program files" directory. |
| 07:32.31 | doomic | liable how can i do that? |
| 07:32.32 | KodeK | Heh |
| 07:32.40 | liable | knighttemplar: dpkg is a bot. |
| 07:32.43 | knighttemplar | dpkg: what's the command to apt-get sarge |
| 07:32.45 | doomic | liable there was a parameter to use xfree in testing what was that |
| 07:32.48 | knighttemplar | lol really ? |
| 07:32.51 | ethics | doomic, change the "nv" to "nvidia" |
| 07:33.07 | knighttemplar | oh sorry it was you talking :P |
| 07:33.10 | qtipk | perhaps my cdburner is busted |
| 07:33.11 | doomic | ethics i tried with that too also but i will try again |
| 07:33.21 | knighttemplar | what's the comand to apt-get sarge? |
| 07:33.40 | liable | doomic: maybe you really shouldnt be running sid? |
| 07:33.42 | ethics | doomic: it's definately nvidia, also put # on dri...you dont need it i dont think...mine isnt loading |
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| 07:33.48 | liable | knighttemplar: from woody? |
| 07:34.02 | ethics | dooming try that and repaste the log |
| 07:34.04 | deadcat | liable: the only radeon/ati driver i have is the one from kernel.org kernel |
| 07:34.12 | ethics | doomic, try that and repaste the log |
| 07:34.18 | liable | deadcat: want my .config? |
| 07:34.19 | knighttemplar | liable: yes |
| 07:34.35 | deadcat | liable: ya. please |
| 07:34.35 | liable | !tell knighttemplar about woody->sarge |
| 07:34.38 | knighttemplar | it was something with p right ? apt-get install p somethin |
| 07:34.40 | KodeK | liable, so where should I extract these files? Am I being clear? |
| 07:34.44 | liable | deadcat: sec |
| 07:34.52 | knighttemplar | liable: thanks |
| 07:34.59 | deadcat | liable: i jsut switch back to xfree (= but i do want the .conf and see whats up. xorg.conf as well please |
| 07:35.09 | knighttemplar | liable: is the apt-get good relieable and fast? |
| 07:35.27 | liable | KodeK: prolly /usr/local/sbin |
| 07:35.37 | liable | knighttemplar: read the factoid.. |
| 07:35.45 | crud | whew i installed devfsd and it fixed /dev and update-grub so now i can compile kernel and remove devfs |
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| 07:35.53 | KodeK | liable, what if it's more than just a binary? it's 2 binary files, and some config files. |
| 07:35.59 | KodeK | liable, would that still be the right directory? |
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| 07:36.09 | deadcat | hehe. xfree shuts down the machine fine. xorg hangs me |
| 07:36.25 | deadcat | liable: you email it to me? |
| 07:37.33 | wobbler | KodeK you should just extract them to your home dir so you can access them as user |
| 07:37.43 | deadcat | when i send a mail to my freeshell account it shows deadcat@dyn.host.domain, where do i add to make it show deadcat@noreply.dyn.host.domain? so i dont get replies since i block incomming |
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| 07:37.55 | deadcat | i am using postfix |
| 07:37.56 | knighttemplar | liable: im ok with woody , don't think why i should get sarge |
| 07:38.00 | doomic | ethics http://valherulord.siteburg.com/Xorg.0.log take another look now with the nvidia module |
| 07:38.16 | Crasp | deadcat: you're mailclient handles that |
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| 07:38.34 | liable | deadcat: .config http://channels.debian.net/paste/359 sorry, no httpd on here. |
| 07:38.36 | deadcat | Crasp: doh. sometimes i echo asdf | mail, sometimes i mutt addr |
| 07:38.46 | miroswa | What exactly is a segment fault and why am I all of a sudden getting a lot of them? |
| 07:39.23 | cahoot | deadcat: you could use sender-canonical to rewrite |
| 07:39.30 | miroswa | Oh a memory location thing.... |
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| 07:39.36 | liable | deadcat: xorg http://channels.debian.net/paste/360 |
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| 07:39.43 | miroswa | How do I remedy this problem of segment faults? |
| 07:39.44 | deadcat | cahoot: where do i do that? |
| 07:39.46 | deadcat | liable: thanks |
| 07:40.01 | Crasp | miroswa: there are a million reasons to get a segmentation fault.. if you get segmentation faults with binaries from debian packages and you don't get it with one but with many you should check your hardware |
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| 07:40.14 | doomic | ethics are u there? did you look at the file? and others? http://valherulord.siteburg.com/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:40.31 | Crasp | miroswa: if normal stuff breaks i'd recommend checking out your cpu temperature and do a memory test |
| 07:40.32 | liable | deadcat: I can email if you want.. |
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| 07:40.42 | doomic | what was the variable for stable-testing unstable? DIST?? |
| 07:40.42 | miroswa | crasp - you mean my hard drive? |
| 07:40.42 | deadcat | those links are good for now |
| 07:40.53 | Crasp | miroswa: memory is not a hard drive :) |
| 07:41.04 | Crasp | miroswa: try this.. www.memtest86.com |
| 07:41.07 | liable | KodeK: I really have no idea. read the docs for it. |
| 07:41.23 | KodeK | liable, it's ok, don't worry. There's no docs, though. |
| 07:41.52 | doomic | what is the variable that is needed to install only one paclage from testing to sid |
| 07:41.53 | liable | KodeK: must be some somewhere, if not, use a package thats available from the repo's |
| 07:42.17 | KodeK | liable, commercial software, no package for it :( |
| 07:42.23 | KodeK | liable, it's ok, don't worry, though. |
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| 07:42.34 | liable | KodeK: must be a free equivalent |
| 07:42.46 | deadcat | liable: i am on ibook |
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| 07:42.53 | KodeK | liable, not really. www.ventrilo.com |
| 07:43.07 | liable | deadcat: and? |
| 07:43.10 | cahoot | deadcat: it might be an ugly hack - but - I use /etc/postfix/canonical to rewrite - man canonical |
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| 07:43.52 | deadcat | cahoot: thanks |
| 07:44.24 | liable | deadcat: just look at the charecter devices and graphics options. |
| 07:44.48 | liable | deadcat: diif the two |
| 07:44.51 | liable | diff |
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| 07:46.00 | deadcat | :q |
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| 07:51.18 | deadcat | shit i forgot what to do... |
| 07:51.30 | Ar0n | hello |
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| 07:52.49 | Ar0n | can somebody help me with Debian Linux 2.4.27-2-386 and ati Radeon 9200 TVout ? (ati drivers up - TVscreen ok - cant see playback on the TV ) |
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| 07:54.56 | cire | For Windows users, Sony delivers a software for fan-control for my Z600LEK laptop. But my debian system doesn't have /proc/acpi/fan/*, so I am not able to control it. (other acpi features do work well...). Where would you search for a solution? |
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| 07:56.20 | ethics | cire did the viaos have the same issue? |
| 07:56.54 | ethics | previous sony models may have similar and fixes perhaps? |
| 07:56.59 | cire | it is a vaio. Nearly every Sony laptop is called vaio, I think... Sorry if I didn't understand you correctly. |
| 07:57.01 | shlomi | Hi all! I installed the culmus fonts, but now OOo does not recognize the font "David" as "David CLM". What can I do? |
| 07:57.26 | cire | but a friend of mine has a Z600NE, which has the same problem |
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| 07:58.11 | coywolf | can I install gfs on debian? |
| 07:58.32 | RichiH | what's gfs |
| 07:58.39 | RichiH | !tell coywolf about search |
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| 07:59.33 | deadcat | cahoot: want to help out with canonical (= |
| 07:59.49 | ethics | cire id guess hwinfo or kernel org mailing list .....they do udev etc so maybe udev at kernel org too as ideas |
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| 08:00.23 | knighttemplar | can someone give me tjhe sarge fact thingy? |
| 08:00.26 | knighttemplar | !s |
| 08:00.26 | dpkg | hmm... s is a lot of things. It used to say .s is for ASM files, btw :D |
| 08:00.28 | knighttemplar | !d |
| 08:00.28 | dpkg | i guess d is uninterruptible sleep (usually IO), or a letter of the alphabet, or not a substitute for "the". |
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| 08:01.05 | jesperj | is mplayer available for sarge or do I have to compile it? |
| 08:01.06 | cire | ethics: what does "udev" mean? |
| 08:01.08 | knighttemplar | please |
| 08:01.22 | liable | !d-i knighttemplar |
| 08:01.23 | dpkg | knighttemplar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:01.46 | liable | knighttemplar: you can also scroll up in your client :P |
| 08:02.14 | liable | jesperj: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 08:02.21 | ethics | cire: udev is a way devices are autovreated...its not directly related to the proc stuff but they do know more about it than most....and id say sony stuff may need customizations in some of their stuff too |
| 08:02.28 | Ar0n | can somebody help me with Debian Linux 2.4.27-2-386 and ati Radeon 9200 TVout ? (ati drivers up - TVscreen ok - cant see playback on the TV ) |
| 08:02.34 | ethics | !tell cire about udev |
| 08:02.41 | knighttemplar | liable: the other one the one with apt-get |
| 08:03.08 | liable | knighttemplar: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 08:03.23 | renegad3 | is there a ip scanner for linux? |
| 08:03.24 | ethics | knight..you want to upgrade/crossgrade via apt? |
| 08:03.32 | cire | ethics: thank you. |
| 08:03.56 | ethics | cire: they may point you in better directions also ...good luck 8) |
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| 08:04.02 | jesperj | ty |
| 08:04.03 | knighttemplar | liable: thanks |
| 08:04.23 | liable | renegad3: netcat maybe what you want. |
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| 08:04.41 | renegad3 | liable, ta |
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| 08:06.59 | tv | sziasztok |
| 08:07.06 | fuag | does anyone here know how to creaty a soundcard |
| 08:07.10 | fuag | my system has no /dev/dsp |
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| 08:07.15 | fuag | or anything of the sort |
| 08:07.36 | tv | van a közelben magyar? |
| 08:07.39 | fuag | but everything about alsa is set up correctly except the fact that there is no sound card |
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| 08:07.45 | liable | fuag: are you using alsa? |
| 08:07.49 | fuag | liable: yes |
| 08:08.28 | fuag | liable: using intel8x0 with 1.0.9xomethin somethin version of alsa alsaconf doesnt detect my soundcard had to but snd_intel8x0 in /etc/modules |
| 08:08.34 | Ar0n | tv: itt van egy :D |
| 08:08.42 | fuag | liable: the modules load fine and /etc/modules.conf has the alsa parts in it |
| 08:08.59 | fuag | liable: its just.. i have no sound cards on my system |
| 08:09.11 | fuag | liable: no device mounts or anything |
| 08:09.30 | fuag | liable: no /dev/dsp etc |
| 08:09.33 | tv | szia ar |
| 08:09.43 | liable | fuag: is there any oss modules loaded? |
| 08:09.46 | Ar0n | hali |
| 08:09.46 | tv | Ar0n akart lenni |
| 08:09.58 | fuag | liable: only the alsa-oss ones |
| 08:10.04 | tv | huh, ezt még szokni kell |
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| 08:10.31 | ethics | fuag what chipset...intel 8x10 sorta changed at 1.0.8 |
| 08:10.38 | Ar0n | bizony |
| 08:10.38 | tv | Ar0n: mi a debian grafikus telepítõ segédprogijának a neve? |
| 08:10.46 | fuag | ethics: nforce2 |
| 08:10.52 | fuag | ethics: integrated |
| 08:11.00 | tv | a suse-nál ez a SaX volt |
| 08:11.15 | ethics | fuag: lspci line if you can |
| 08:11.15 | Ar0n | tv: probalj fglrxconfig ot |
| 08:11.23 | jimmy_ | Hello there! I'm using Debian sarge, and installed an older version of FreeNX, which complains that libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 cannot be found. What should I do? Many thanks! |
| 08:11.25 | tv | ok, nézem |
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| 08:11.28 | tv | thnx |
| 08:11.51 | Ar0n | megy mert akkor mondok par tippet hozza |
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| 08:12.04 | tv | ok, kösz |
| 08:12.20 | Ar0n | mikor egeret kell beirni akkor /dev/input/mice |
| 08:12.35 | tv | pill |
| 08:12.36 | fuag | ethics: 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 008a (rev a1) |
| 08:12.39 | cire | ethics: seems as if an empty /proc/acpi/fan directory points to a damaged dsdt table. |
| 08:12.40 | tv | nem indul el |
| 08:12.44 | Ar0n | ha nem ezt irod akkor leall a grafikus felulet |
| 08:12.48 | Ar0n | hmmm ... |
| 08:12.51 | jm_ | jimmybgood: what do you do if there's something missing? install it of course |
| 08:12.55 | jm_ | jimmy_ ^^^^^^^^ |
| 08:13.08 | fuag | no clue exactly what chipset, i know its the second generation nforce 2 integrated |
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| 08:13.15 | fuag | and it uses the ac 97 codec |
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| 08:13.18 | liable | !hu |
| 08:13.18 | dpkg | [hu] Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 08:13.22 | ethics | cire: not familiar with the term to be honest...too deep for me |
| 08:13.41 | jimmy_ | jm_, Thanks! But I am relatively new to Debian, and not sure what to install. Could you please give me a hint? Many thanks! |
| 08:13.45 | shlomi | How do I alias fonts in X11? |
| 08:14.11 | liable | fuag: lspci |grep audio post it. |
| 08:14.22 | jm_ | jimmy_: find the appropriate package -- /msg dpkg search |
| 08:14.39 | fuag | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 008a (rev a1) |
| 08:14.53 | jimmy_ | jm_, Thanks! I'll give it a try! |
| 08:15.04 | cire | ethics: this means, now I have to decompile my acpi bios, correcting the source, compiling it again, andf tell my system to use the new one. Also too deep for me! (tried it for months) |
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| 08:15.40 | ethics | fuag: shot in the dark here ...do you have alsa-utils installed? |
| 08:15.59 | fuag | yeah |
| 08:16.10 | fuag | just for some reason no sound cards got created |
| 08:16.22 | Bogaurd | hi, i'd like to configure a service (vsftpd) running under inetd to only allow 5 connections from 1 IP at once. I'm hoping this can be done via max-child-per-ip, as vsftpd starts every new connection as a child. i don't know how to specify this parmeter though... i've only been able to come up with {wait|nowait}[/max-child[/max-connections-per-ip-per-minute[/max-child-per-ip]]]... how can i specif |
| 08:16.23 | Bogaurd | y 5 connections per IP, but leave the other options unchanged? |
| 08:17.07 | ethics | cire: maybe ask sony about it...they may want linux working....who knows heheh |
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| 08:17.39 | ethics | cire: future bios updates etc may do something...or maybee they know a fix.. |
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| 08:18.08 | ethics | cire: not much in a laptop cannot be flashed out...see compaq fixed most bugs easily |
| 08:18.14 | renegad3 | liable, i was thinking more along the lines of scanning subnets, to see what hosts are up |
| 08:18.24 | fuag | grr, this is the first time i've seen anything like this.. and apparently the first time everyone els has as well.. |
| 08:18.27 | cire | ethics: Laptop is too old for this kind of active support... bios is the newest. |
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| 08:19.44 | liable | renegad3: err, nmap |
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| 08:20.24 | Ar0n | why do i get this when trying to use mplayer with vesa: vo_vesa: vbeInit returns: Broken BIOS or DOS TSR |
| 08:20.29 | ethics | fuag its a bug it looks like... |
| 08:20.36 | ethics | google gets heaps of hits |
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| 08:21.01 | deadcat | Ar0n: mplayer is shitty. its nothing but problem here as well |
| 08:21.13 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - im having problems with sendmail, my mail.info log is telling me that it cant look up gmail.com when i try to email my gmail account. im able to resolve gmail.com with my web browser and with kmail, any idea's? |
| 08:21.39 | Ar0n | deadcat: any other player with VESA support ? |
| 08:21.43 | liable | fuag: google comes up with a few hits. maybe try a newer kernel.. |
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| 08:21.53 | ethics | cire: sounds like you should put a pot on the side and use a dremmel hehe |
| 08:21.53 | fuag | ethics: hmm theres gotta be a way to manually register a soundcard, they had a script that did it before alsa 0.9.0 beta 11 according to thier site |
| 08:21.57 | liable | deadcat: did you have a different config? |
| 08:21.59 | fuag | im one 6.8.2-686 |
| 08:22.03 | fuag | *on |
| 08:22.03 | ethics | change the volatage manually |
| 08:22.15 | deadcat | liable: ya. very diff. |
| 08:22.16 | fuag | latest one avalaible in aptitude |
| 08:22.25 | fuag | sorry for the bad spelling |
| 08:22.26 | deadcat | liable: but i have all the radeon/ati stuff though |
| 08:22.29 | ethics | fuag so load up the earlier version... |
| 08:22.45 | ethics | fuag itll be on sarge...1.0.8 was there before etch |
| 08:22.51 | liable | deadcat: oh, wierd. |
| 08:22.55 | drac | fuag: 6.8.2-686? Are you confusing Kernel and X.Org versions or something? |
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| 08:22.58 | fuag | the reason i upgraded kernels was because i had the same problem |
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| 08:23.14 | deadcat | liable: you sure you didnt apt-get install any weird ati stuff right? |
| 08:23.15 | Bogaurd | in the inetd conf file, the syntax for options is: {wait|nowait}[/max-child[/max-connections-per-ip-per-minute[/max-child-per-ip]]]. i'd like modify max-child-per-ip, but leave the others untouched... what should i write? |
| 08:23.16 | ethics | fuag, goto dpo and search for alsa-source....you can install via module assistant |
| 08:23.32 | ethics | all kernels before 2.6.12 shouldnt have higer then that |
| 08:23.34 | fuag | ethics: whats dpo? :S |
| 08:23.38 | liable | deadcat: nup, just xserver-xorg, then dist-upgrades. |
| 08:23.57 | ethics | fuag, sorry pdo, packages.debian.org |
| 08:24.07 | deadcat | liable: ah. i am holding x-window-system-core and xutils because i dont want to rm xine-ui yet |
| 08:24.44 | liable | deadcat: oh, hah, get mplayer :P |
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| 08:24.59 | deadcat | liable: i have. it fucking suck. lags like a fucking whore. |
| 08:25.33 | fuag | hmm did an apt-get install alsa-source |
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| 08:25.39 | fuag | where to from there? |
| 08:25.41 | drac | deadcat: You can't succesfully use Composite with driver "radeon" yet, because RENDER is not accellerated by EXA. |
| 08:25.41 | liable | deadcat: dunno, I havent held anything back, looks like the only cause maybe. |
| 08:26.03 | ethics | fuag depends what version is the file.../usr/src/modules it guess |
| 08:26.03 | GomGom | debian sucks |
| 08:26.06 | GomGom | ubuntu is too much better |
| 08:26.10 | GomGom | ubuntu > debian |
| 08:26.13 | Bogaurd | in the inetd conf file, the syntax for options is: {wait|nowait}[/max-child[/max-connections-per-ip-per-minute[/max-child-per-ip]]]. i'd like modify max-child-per-ip, but leave the others untouched... what should i write? |
| 08:26.18 | fuag | ubuntu packages < debian |
| 08:26.20 | deadcat | drac: ya. its useless for now. |
| 08:26.20 | liable | drac: whats the english version of that comment :P |
| 08:26.41 | Super_Cat_Frog | gomgom - i think you'll find, ubuntu < debian and ubuntu_packages < debian_packages |
| 08:26.42 | deadcat | GomGom: let #ubuntu know. we knew that long ago |
| 08:27.00 | drac | liable: EXA is new accelleration arch. copied from KDrives KAA to be implented on X.Org 6.9.. means Hardware accelleration for RENDER extension. |
| 08:27.06 | Super_Cat_Frog | gomgom - i started using debian because i liked ubuntu but its a bit crap |
| 08:27.13 | drac | liable: It's in X.Org CVS for driver sis(4) and radeon is almost done too. |
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| 08:27.30 | GomGom | You all are like RMS |
| 08:27.31 | GomGom | you all suck |
| 08:27.35 | RichiH | are there any standard flags i should set when creating patches against package contents which i want to send to bts? |
| 08:27.46 | ethics | !ops gomgom is a tard |
| 08:27.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gomgom is a tard |
| 08:27.48 | liable | RichiH: arent you an op? |
| 08:27.56 | liable | no |
| 08:28.15 | fuag | ethics: sorry you lost me /usr/src/modules only has /nvidia-kernel in it |
| 08:28.16 | deadcat | drac: so i should just wait? and xcompmgr and transset soon comming in? |
| 08:28.37 | ethics | fuag: is there a tarball around there for alsa mayee just /usr/src |
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| 08:28.47 | RichiH | liable: call me part time op ;) |
| 08:28.59 | liable | RichiH: hehe, nice one :) |
| 08:29.03 | bob2 | rm |
| 08:29.26 | drac | deadcat: You can play with it if you want http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/radeon_exa_mess.diff (applies to X.Org CVS, and no it's definately not my code.. Just have it on my server.) or just wait. |
| 08:29.42 | drac | deadcat: no news about xcompmgr or transset |
| 08:29.53 | fuag | ethics: not that I see |
| 08:29.58 | RichiH | bob2: do you know the correct command to create a patch against debian packages? |
| 08:30.11 | ethics | fuag, did it download anything? |
| 08:30.16 | deadcat | drac: i'll just wait. xfree right now since xorg wont let me shutdown/reboot without hanging the system. |
| 08:30.19 | fuag | ethics: yeah |
| 08:30.27 | bob2 | RichiH: depends what you're trying to do |
| 08:30.31 | fuag | ethics: and unpacked and set up something |
| 08:30.35 | ethics | fuag dpkg -L alsa-source |
| 08:30.56 | bob2 | RichiH: you mean the debian diff.gz, or you want to make a patch to the upstream source to include in the debian source? |
| 08:30.56 | ethics | should show you loactions or something somewhat iseful |
| 08:30.59 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - im having problems with resoving dns, im using dhcp and im too lazy to not do, so i setup a cronjob to replace my resolv.conf with a working one, but now my commandline apps cant resolve and dns, which includes sendmail, which is a bit crap |
| 08:31.02 | RichiH | bob2: the netinstall's isolinux.cfg is broken, and i want to append a proposed fix to my bug report |
| 08:31.09 | fuag | u/sr/src/alsa-driver.tar.bz2 my bad |
| 08:31.34 | RichiH | bob2: in this case, i think patch against 'upstream' would make more sense |
| 08:31.39 | Super_Cat_Frog | so anyway, what files in debian do i edit to use a static ip? |
| 08:31.42 | fuag | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.50 | fuag | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.51 | bob2 | RichiH: ah, just make a copy of the file as isolinux.cfg.old, edit isolinux.cfg, then run 'diff -u isolinux.cfg.old isolinux.cfg' |
| 08:32.05 | fuag | should i edit alsa-source.conf according to the sound card matrix and compile? |
| 08:32.12 | RichiH | bob2: ok, that was easy :p |
| 08:32.14 | RichiH | bob2: thanks! :) |
| 08:32.17 | ethics | fuag, nah use ma.. |
| 08:32.18 | bob2 | RichiH: np |
| 08:32.44 | ethics | fuag first install module assistant and build-essential |
| 08:32.56 | ethics | fual Module -assistant |
| 08:33.29 | fuag | ethics: k |
| 08:34.06 | fuag | ethics: thier install and i change the ALSA_CARD to intel8x0, should it be that or snd_intel8x0 :? |
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| 08:34.17 | deadcat | drac: whats omit xfree86-dga ? |
| 08:34.24 | Cerop | hello everyone |
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| 08:34.54 | ethics | fuag you dont need to change anything just do module-assistant auto-install alsa-driver i think it is |
| 08:35.17 | ethics | you may need to untar the file to /usr/src/modules if it didnt |
| 08:35.19 | drac | deadcat: It disables DGA. DGA means direct writing to framebuffer, by passing X server. It's a feature that should be killed soon as possible, causes nasty hardlockups on most drivers. |
| 08:35.38 | drac | deadcat: man XDGA explains more |
| 08:35.41 | fuag | hmm it doesnt know what alsa-driver is should i try alsa-source |
| 08:35.43 | fuag | ? |
| 08:35.47 | deadcat | drac: thanks. i should add that in as well (= |
| 08:35.56 | fuag | nvm it got it |
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| 08:36.34 | blvszcz | cat /etc/exim4/dupek |
| 08:36.56 | ircdevil | i need to find out why i cant pop my gmail from work - i suspect the firewall. how to test? |
| 08:37.21 | drac | deadcat: I saw your config, you might want to remove also: int10, record and vbe. They are useless, and might cause some unnecessary slowing down. :) |
| 08:37.47 | deadcat | drac: thanks (= |
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| 08:39.05 | ircdevil | telnet pop.gmail.com 995 -> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused = that is a firewall problem, yes? |
| 08:39.17 | EmleyMoor | I'm hopefully getting close to having my laptop up and running again |
| 08:39.24 | deadcat | drac: MergedFB is for dual monitor ya? since UseFBDev didnt do the trick |
| 08:39.40 | EmleyMoor | ircdevil: Not necessarily - in fact, it may well mean there's nothing running on port 995 of that host |
| 08:39.45 | deadcat | drac: i also added backingstore and AllowGLXWithComposite |
| 08:39.56 | ircdevil | EmleyMoor: http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287 |
| 08:39.58 | ethics | fuag, yeah i dont remember how they did it ... |
| 08:40.07 | drac | deadcat: AllowGLXWithComposite is nvidia propietary driver option.. |
| 08:40.16 | ethics | fuag, used to be source for file and driver to install...but it may have changed |
| 08:40.21 | KodeK | Hey, is there an easy way to see if I'm really getting 100 mbps on my lan? I don't have ftp installed yet. |
| 08:40.41 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... SSL correct? |
| 08:40.58 | drac | deadcat: and yeah, mergedfb is for dualhead. I have example config here, http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/dualhead_with_mergedfb_on_radeon.txt |
| 08:41.04 | ircdevil | EmleyMoor: yeah, i use fetchmail-ssl |
| 08:41.07 | fuag | ethics OMG I HAVE SOUND THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! |
| 08:41.21 | ircdevil | EmleyMoor: this works from my homebox, but not my workbox |
| 08:41.34 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... firewall is possible then |
| 08:41.36 | ethics | fuag hehehe well thats a fix...what version were you running? etch? |
| 08:41.42 | deadcat | drac: damn. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 lied to me |
| 08:41.46 | fuag | ethics: yeah |
| 08:41.50 | ethics | fuag kk |
| 08:41.53 | ircdevil | EmleyMoor: i would like to be able to sort of prove that before i start bugging the admins |
| 08:42.40 | ethics | fuag cool can you tell what version of the modules it built? 1.0.8 or something else? |
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| 08:43.11 | drac | deadcat: It could be part of new ATi propietary drivers, not sure about that but definately not part of driver "radeon" |
| 08:43.21 | deadcat | drac: nice examples. all i need is mergedfb and it works. since i only need to clone X say for projectors |
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| 08:43.44 | maxxle | I want to remove gnome-keyring from my system using aptitude. But the package has dependencies to other ones. How can I force an uninstall? |
| 08:43.45 | deadcat | drac: ok. i dont have any 3rdparty ati stuff so i guess no need |
| 08:44.03 | jetx | man dpkg --force-help |
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| 08:44.28 | jetx | but you shouldn't |
| 08:44.43 | mhall | Hello all, what bot factoid do I need to get Java 5 up and running in Firefox, etc.? |
| 08:44.54 | maxxle | I shouldn't - but I do ;) |
| 08:45.02 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.22 | fuag | whoa |
| 08:45.35 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.37 | EmleyMoor | mhall: Hint - there's a thing called java-package which makes a .deb of the jre |
| 08:45.40 | deadcat | drac: do i want Load "ddc" ? |
| 08:45.41 | fuag | mplayer isn't in my apt-cache |
| 08:45.51 | ethics | !tell fuag about marillat |
| 08:45.53 | fuag | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.57 | jetx | !tel... nm |
| 08:45.59 | mhall | EmleyMoor: ah-ha |
| 08:46.09 | RichiH | jetx: yah, /me was too slow, too |
| 08:46.18 | deadcat | and crazy ass ibook battery life shows 7:02 left (= |
| 08:46.19 | mhall | EmleyMoor: I got it already |
| 08:46.20 | ethics | @flex |
| 08:46.21 | ravenbird | it has been said that flex is a sucky nick used by freaks, or flex is also the Fast Lexical analyzer generator. A Lex compatible scanner generator. |
| 08:46.34 | ethics | lol oh wrong bot hehe |
| 08:46.39 | EmleyMoor | Will probably be using it on my laptop a bit later |
| 08:46.40 | drac | deadcat: DDC gets HorizSync and VertRefresh and such from DDC capable monitors (usually connected to DVI or a Laptop display) |
| 08:46.44 | jetx | ~hi |
| 08:46.44 | apt | hello, jetx |
| 08:46.53 | mhall | EmleyMoor: But I was not quite sure how to get it to do anything. java-package is not actually a command. I'll dump the contents and see what looks runnable and report back. |
| 08:47.00 | drac | deadcat: I think it gets autoloaded even if you remove it from xorg.conf.. |
| 08:47.02 | EmleyMoor | make-jpkg is the command |
| 08:47.08 | mhall | EmleyMoor: thanks |
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| 08:47.09 | EmleyMoor | (you need to run it with fakeroot |
| 08:47.11 | EmleyMoor | ) |
| 08:47.13 | deadcat | drac: cool |
| 08:47.33 | agentofbsd | is there a guide on how can auto boot my bridge config on startup |
| 08:47.35 | ethics | hmm xorg made unstable? |
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| 08:47.41 | jetx | you could just go to sun and read, but it will tell you to just ./javablah.bin |
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| 08:48.14 | mhall | EmleyMoor: ah sweet, it works real easy |
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| 08:48.18 | fuag | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
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| 08:48.30 | mhall | jetx: right cause they are gay and do not support any decent install system |
| 08:48.40 | mhall | jetx: blackdown had debs but they only go up to 1.4.x |
| 08:48.51 | liable | fuag: run update again, will go away. |
| 08:48.52 | ethics | fuag take the _ out hehe |
| 08:48.54 | mhall | what is the hotkey to toggle konsole tabs? |
| 08:49.00 | ik-ppc | hi any one knows how can i make a partition in a slave ide1 disk? |
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| 08:49.07 | drac | jetx: There is java-package in contrib to easily create .deb out of latest Sun Java SDK or JRE. |
| 08:49.25 | mhall | drac: yeah i'm messing with it |
| 08:49.26 | ethics | ik-ppc : fdisk or parted |
| 08:49.32 | jetx | i just did the .bin thing, i was lazy |
| 08:49.36 | mhall | drac: and he was suggesting different choices |
| 08:49.38 | EmleyMoor | ik-ppc: fdisk /dev/hdb (or whichever it is) |
| 08:49.44 | jetx | but that was an install or 2 ago |
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| 08:50.01 | ik-ppc | EmleyMoor is a slave in a ide1 |
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| 08:50.10 | jetx | hdd maybe |
| 08:50.13 | drac | mhall: Ok. It's just that running the .bin doesn't create correct symlinks and you have to edit $PATH by hand. |
| 08:50.13 | ethics | mhall, shift left right |
| 08:50.16 | EmleyMoor | hdd - yes |
| 08:50.22 | jetx | if the first one is ide0 in your mind |
| 08:50.26 | mhall | ethics: thanks |
| 08:50.28 | jetx | like the rest of the world |
| 08:50.37 | ik-ppc | ok |
| 08:50.43 | ethics | mhall, hehe i have ovelap on hotkeys so it sucks for me hehe |
| 08:50.44 | EmleyMoor | (slaves are the, for want of the better word, even letters - b, d, f, h...) |
| 08:50.50 | mhall | drac: hence why i am using the package maker |
| 08:50.53 | mhall | ethics: ouch |
| 08:51.03 | ethics | mhall: a sunday project hehe |
| 08:51.04 | gypsymauro | hello I'm searching a graphical ftp client where I can recursively make chmod on a remote folder or fix the permission for every file I'll upload, (gtkftp doesn't support this) |
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| 08:51.18 | ik-ppc | Unable to open /dev/hdd |
| 08:51.25 | jetx | you mean gftp i guess |
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| 08:51.40 | mhall | sweet, java works |
| 08:51.47 | ik-ppc | EmleyMoor Unable to open /dev/hdd |
| 08:51.48 | mhall | let me try an applet |
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| 08:52.09 | EmleyMoor | ik-ppc: Anything in dmesg or messages? |
| 08:52.10 | jetx | then if it's a slave try hdb |
| 08:52.14 | ethics | ik-ppc, dmesg|grep hd |
| 08:52.25 | ethics | ik-ppc, see what it was assigned |
| 08:52.34 | fuag | lol.. wow that guys server must be gettin bitched I fail to connect half the time, how come debian doesnt have it in thier official mirrors? |
| 08:52.39 | jetx | you're either sure it's a slave, or you're sure it's on the second ide channel, aka ide1 |
| 08:52.43 | mhall | God I love my new 20" flat screen |
| 08:52.48 | ethics | fuag, licensing |
| 08:52.52 | liable | !tell fuag about mplayer |
| 08:52.56 | ik-ppc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.56 | ik-ppc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.02 | ethics | fuag, somewhat grey codec packages etc also |
| 08:53.08 | mhall | Who can tell me what I need to do to get Unicode UTF8 working right on the console. |
| 08:53.09 | jetx | fuag: try editing your sources correctly: it functions fine, as ok 10 minutes ago |
| 08:53.18 | jetx | s/ok/of/ |
| 08:53.37 | jetx | hdd sounds like the cdrom |
| 08:53.46 | jetx | looks |
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| 08:54.17 | llama32 | Katzen sind k?stlich |
| 08:54.30 | jetx | german? |
| 08:54.38 | ethics | jetx, pio-dvdwriter mainly i think... |
| 08:54.39 | deadcat | drac: i am gonna add AGPMode, EnablePageFlip to my xorg.conf as well ok? |
| 08:55.17 | mhall | Is anybody else having problems with wxwindows? |
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| 08:55.21 | drac | deadcat: EnablePageFlip should be ok, and boost FPS up. It's ok, unless it causes display to flicker. |
| 08:55.36 | ethics | mhall, what kind of probs? |
| 08:55.42 | drac | deadcat: both _should_ be ok :) |
| 08:55.44 | mhall | llama32: Was sind Katzen? Ich kriegte nur k?stlich... |
| 08:55.51 | jetx | mhall: sid updates wanted to take wxwindows something away.. along with xine and like 50 other packages... all i knw |
| 08:55.55 | jetx | !de |
| 08:55.55 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 08:56.16 | jetx | oh sorry |
| 08:56.25 | drac | deadcat: 1, 2 and 4 is valid values for X.Org 6.8.2 in AGPMode. |
| 08:56.32 | drac | deadcat: 8 is only at X.Org CVS. |
| 08:56.36 | bob2 | so, is it possible to use a linux host as a router with a ethernet dsl modem doing pppoa? |
| 08:56.38 | RichiH | mhall: katze == cat |
| 08:56.39 | mhall | jetx: Yeah I'm playing with this trying to get vlc working. |
| 08:56.54 | jetx | *ca-ching!* kernel done. |
| 08:56.54 | mhall | RichiH: Right but that isn't what I meant. |
| 08:57.02 | jetx | it wanted to take vlc also |
| 08:57.06 | jetx | :( |
| 08:57.06 | piernik | I have problems with self-compiled kernels. I am not able to use mouse when I load them. I have mouse on PS/2 and I have marked this option in config What can be wrong?? |
| 08:57.13 | mhall | RichiH: What I meant was that a character set conflict caused me to lose his adjective. |
| 08:57.20 | Hiruky | hey! me too |
| 08:57.32 | deadcat | drac: cool |
| 08:57.33 | jetx | mine works, all i know |
| 08:57.34 | RichiH | mhall: oh. koestlich. delicious |
| 08:57.34 | mhall | RichiH: Hence why I stated 'Ich kriegte nur k?stlich...' |
| 08:57.45 | RichiH | mhall: ah, ok |
| 08:58.01 | mhall | RichiH: Was not an adjective I'd heard before. |
| 08:58.11 | jetx | time to rbf to new kernel |
| 08:58.13 | RichiH | mhall: i thought you were babelfishing and only got the meaning of koestlich :) |
| 08:58.17 | llama32 | mhall: cats taste sorta like rabbit |
| 08:58.19 | mhall | RichiH: So I could not deduce which umlauted character was present. |
| 08:58.24 | mhall | llama32: I wouldn't know. |
| 08:58.32 | fatal__ | piernik: it could be anything.... compiling a kernel yourself is an awesome way to break your system.... it could be related to udev not creating /dev/input/mice* for newer kernels. |
| 08:58.47 | piernik | hm |
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| 08:59.30 | mhall | I have to compile my own kernels to get loop AES and nvidia stuff working but I like to do it anyways to get an optimally tuned setup without any shitty modules. |
| 08:59.51 | llama32 | deutsche Leute essen ihre eigenen Kinder |
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| 09:00.26 | fatal__ | mhall: you can compile extra modules against kernel-source-../kernel-headers-.... |
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| 09:00.39 | piernik | I have compered my config of 2.4.31 with the one 2.4.27 that came with installation I'ts almost identic I've only add few modules |
| 09:00.58 | mhall | fatal__: But then you have the problem of the GCCs not matching. |
| 09:00.58 | fatal__ | mhall: AFAIK there's even a nvidia-builder-package available for your convinience. |
| 09:01.08 | mhall | fatal__: Which leads to some odd circumstances... |
| 09:01.23 | mhall | fatal__: Hand extracting and running their magic Makefile works great for me. |
| 09:01.30 | RoundQube | hehe no one i know can spell convinience, not even me |
| 09:01.49 | karsten | Any US gov't types here? Care to explain GS grade levels? |
| 09:01.57 | drac | piernik: mousedev, and psmouse is needed from kernel. |
| 09:02.00 | mhall | llama32: Ja, richtig, das ist manchmal am geschehen, aber es passiert noch oft woanders auch. |
| 09:02.18 | llama32 | les fran?ais mangent les enfants allemands aussi |
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| 09:02.26 | karsten | Scheise... |
| 09:02.44 | mhall | llama32: Kinder sind natuerlich lecker, na? |
| 09:02.48 | llama32 | Ja, richtig, das ist manchmal am geschehen, aber es passiert noch oft woanders auch. |
| 09:02.49 | mhall | karsten: was? |
| 09:02.53 | llama32 | oops |
| 09:03.00 | karsten | mhall: ... merde? |
| 09:03.12 | llama32 | mhall: i cant speak german, im just having some fun with an internet translator :) |
| 09:03.28 | karsten | mhall: Warum spricht Jeman deutsch jetzt? |
| 09:03.48 | mhall | karsten: lol, ich fragte mich eigentlich warum du scheise gesagt hast |
| 09:03.49 | llama32 | les fran?ais mangent les enfants allemands aussi |
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| 09:04.42 | liable | neine, stop it.. |
| 09:04.44 | fuag | is there a place to get xorg for etch? |
| 09:04.45 | arvind | xorg! finaly! |
| 09:04.49 | arvind | wooehoee! |
| 09:05.07 | llama32 | mhall: you mean german people DO eat their own offspring? :o |
| 09:05.08 | mhall | karsten: also, wir machen das wegen der tatsache das jemand was ueber die allgemeine Schmackhaftigkeit von Katzen auf Deutsch gesagt hatte |
| 09:05.21 | karsten | mhall: Well, asking a question wasn't getting anyone's attention.... |
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| 09:06.03 | mhall | llama32: Eigentlich ist das gerade am passieren. Es gibt schon 82,431,390 Deutschen in Deutschland! |
| 09:06.14 | karsten | mhall: That just overran my comprehension level... |
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| 09:06.51 | deadcat | drac: you work wonders. (= the glxgears wheels are FLYINGly fast (= fps still same (~650) but the wheels are blazing. hehehe. |
| 09:07.15 | mhall | llama32: Man muss davon abschliessen, dass Kinder irgendwann schon gegessen wurden. |
| 09:07.16 | karsten | deadcat: No fair. What'd you do? |
| 09:07.18 | drac | deadcat: :) |
| 09:07.33 | mhall | karsten: From where was your comprehension level acquired? |
| 09:07.36 | bob2 | mein leben! |
| 09:07.47 | mhall | bob2: g'day |
| 09:07.57 | karsten | mhall: Mom, HS German class, and Deutsche Radio. |
| 09:08.06 | deadcat | karsten: using some config options from drac (= |
| 09:08.06 | mhall | karsten: ah |
| 09:08.08 | karsten | Er. Deutsche Welle. |
| 09:08.28 | karsten | deadcat: XF86 or xorg? |
| 09:08.29 | ik-ppc | i get and error, it says mount: mount point /mnt/hda1 does not exist |
| 09:08.43 | karsten | deadcat: I've got a crap SIS card here, wouldn't mind a decent framerate. |
| 09:08.44 | Phated | ik-ppc: mkdir /mnt/hda1 |
| 09:08.48 | ik-ppc | ok |
| 09:08.53 | karsten | ik-ppc: Make it. |
| 09:08.56 | deadcat | karsten: xfree for now. but the config is the same. xorg is giving me problem shutdown/reboot. it hangs my box. )= |
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| 09:09.21 | karsten | deadcat: Don't hang your box, stuff it. |
| 09:09.22 | Guerin | xorg is all sweetness and light for me, on three different boxen |
| 09:09.26 | Guerin | soon to be four |
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| 09:09.39 | piernik | I give up I don't see what can be wrong |
| 09:09.52 | deadcat | karsten: hahah |
| 09:10.00 | llama32 | bilden sie wirklich W?rste aus abgelaufener Gl?hlampefingermalerei in Deutschland heraus? |
| 09:10.06 | deadcat | Guerin: damn you!!! |
| 09:10.07 | drac | deadcat: when you change back to X.Org, you can enable some more tweaking with program called DRIConf. http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriConf |
| 09:10.12 | WE_R_DNA | how do I unzip a tar.bz2 file in windows? |
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| 09:10.24 | ik-ppc | how do i know if is mounted now? |
| 09:10.29 | karsten | WE_R_DNA: Get 7zip for 'Doze. |
| 09:10.30 | deadcat | drac: thanks. you've been great help tonight. |
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| 09:10.35 | mhall | Bloody hell, mesa is broken so kcontrol won't work |
| 09:10.37 | EmleyMoor | ik-ppc: mount should show you |
| 09:10.39 | drac | deadcat: morning :) |
| 09:10.40 | mhall | sonofabitch |
| 09:10.41 | Guerin | deadcat: my 2nd millennium boxen pwn j00 |
| 09:10.44 | deadcat | drac: thank god i am still up heheh |
| 09:10.44 | karsten | WE_R_DNA: or Cygwin, but it takes a tad longer to install. |
| 09:10.58 | ik-ppc | EmleyMoor it dont show anything |
| 09:11.01 | Draconicus | Having "drac" as one of my highlights makes this a bit annoying. :P |
| 09:11.06 | EmleyMoor | df ? |
| 09:11.14 | deadcat | Guerin: all my boxen sucks for some reason. especially fucking mplayer.. die mother fucker die (mplayer) |
| 09:11.22 | Draconicus | Maybe I should close this channel for the time being. |
| 09:11.35 | Guerin | deadcat: i reckon pebcak |
| 09:12.18 | Draconicus | deadcat: Uh... Are you running unstable or something? |
| 09:12.25 | Guerin | karsten: knowing phated, they'll be 100 years old |
| 09:12.36 | deadcat | drac: aparently MergedFB works on xfree as well. but the laptop is flickering... |
| 09:12.37 | Phated | They are NICE! |
| 09:12.44 | deadcat | drac: very unstable (= |
| 09:12.58 | Draconicus | deadcat: Then quit whining about how badly things run. |
| 09:12.59 | Guerin | for NICE in "fucking evil" |
| 09:13.21 | Guerin | Draconicus: this is why I call pebcak: all my unstable boxen are running sweetly :) |
| 09:13.22 | deadcat | Draconicus: kiss my whining ass biatch (= |
| 09:13.27 | Phated | Guerin: *twitch* |
| 09:13.44 | drac | deadcat: mergedfb on XFree86? Must be a backport from X.Org since it's not in main XFree86 tree. |
| 09:13.54 | Draconicus | Is there a !whine |
| 09:13.55 | Draconicus | ? |
| 09:14.03 | Guerin | Draconicus: there is. |
| 09:14.03 | mhall | Hahaha, fuck that libmesa dependency for kcontrol. I got it going anyways! |
| 09:14.04 | Draconicus | There ought to be if not. |
| 09:14.06 | Draconicus | !whine |
| 09:14.06 | dpkg | i guess whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 09:14.12 | mhall | Got to love dpkg --force-* |
| 09:14.19 | Draconicus | ^_^ |
| 09:14.22 | Guerin | mhall: hrm, i didn't need that |
| 09:14.26 | Guerin | !whine deadcat |
| 09:14.28 | karsten | !crack Draconicus |
| 09:14.30 | mhall | the wonderfulness of using debian since 1998 |
| 09:14.34 | drac | deadcat: By the way, do you have framebuffering enabled in kernel? |
| 09:14.35 | deadcat | drac: xfree in sid is what i am using. seems to work. just flickering on the laptop. |
| 09:14.37 | mhall | Guerin: I think it's an xorg glitch |
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| 09:14.46 | Guerin | mhall: not for me it wasn't. |
| 09:14.47 | deadcat | drac: ya. with fbsplash as well |
| 09:14.52 | drac | deadcat: That's the reason for hangups. |
| 09:15.01 | mhall | Guerin: well something is wrong with mesa and glu on my box then |
| 09:15.08 | Draconicus | Anyway, I have work. I must part. |
| 09:15.11 | mhall | Guerin: it also decided it'd be funny to remove vlc |
| 09:15.20 | drac | deadcat: ..with xorg |
| 09:15.26 | deadcat | drac: you think fbsplash is the reason with xorg? |
| 09:15.31 | drac | deadcat: yes |
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| 09:15.33 | Guerin | mhall: yeah, glu wants to uninstall some stupid packages - vlc and xine and libaspell* and gaim - worthless shite that wasn't needed, anyway |
| 09:15.40 | Guerin | mhall: i just let it nuke them |
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| 09:15.54 | liable | drac: frame buffer gives no probs here. |
| 09:16.01 | concept10 | website of the night award: http://ligersrule.tripod.com/id1.html |
| 09:16.04 | liable | oooh fbsplash |
| 09:16.17 | deadcat | liable: bootsplash wont work on ppc (= |
| 09:16.21 | Guerin | concept10: tripod.com is automatically excluded from all website awards |
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| 09:16.37 | drac | liable: You are lucky, only vesafb is supposed to work correctly with driver "radeon", and in some cases not even that. |
| 09:16.52 | concept10 | heh |
| 09:17.10 | Guerin | concept10: wow. that shit is mad real. |
| 09:17.32 | liable | drac: yeah, for some weird reason, I have never had a problem with this ati card. Dont get it, but happy :) |
| 09:18.05 | concept10 | Guerin, that site is ridiculous |
| 09:18.11 | Guerin | bon bastille jour, peoples |
| 09:18.37 | cmihai | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.55 | Guerin | cmihai: you're clearly using some ubuntu or 3rdparty sources |
| 09:19.14 | mhall | Guerin: I actually wanted vlc for playing movies, etc. |
| 09:19.22 | streuner | Guerin: nah |
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| 09:19.25 | liable | Guerin: I have seen someone else say similar with ubuntu stuf in sid. |
| 09:19.31 | mhall | Guerin: But maybe I'll try mplayer if they finally got it past the new package gauntlet. |
| 09:19.32 | Guerin | mhall: that's what mplayer was for |
| 09:19.40 | cmihai | Guerin: apart from mplayer, no. |
| 09:19.41 | streuner | Guerin: debian's cdrecord (sid) using that lib... |
| 09:19.51 | cmihai | Yes, cdrecord said that. |
| 09:20.36 | Guerin | streuner: i need to be more careful then |
| 09:20.51 | mhall | Guerin: Hmm no debs |
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| 09:21.01 | Guerin | mhall: marillat |
| 09:21.07 | cmihai | Ubuntu.... I feel so dirty :( |
| 09:21.12 | liable | hehe |
| 09:21.38 | Guerin | my method of getting cleaning my system out when uninstalling ubuntu packages i've tried is COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |awk '/ubuntu/ {print $2}' |xargs dpkg -P |
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| 09:22.00 | streuner | haha |
| 09:22.06 | Guerin | and yes, I do often install some odd bunch of things from ubuntu to just see what it's like |
| 09:22.07 | deadcat | Guerin: debfoster -n and remove everything (= |
| 09:22.17 | streuner | !Guerin++ |
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| 09:22.32 | Guerin | it's so convenient of ubuntu to have 'ubuntu' in their version strongs :) |
| 09:22.35 | drac | dpkg: ping |
| 09:22.35 | dpkg | pong |
| 09:22.37 | Guerin | and strings :) |
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| 09:22.50 | ^rob^ | hi there |
| 09:23.06 | ethics | theres a polocy method too i think... |
| 09:23.13 | ^rob^ | does anyone know if exist xorg packages for debian etch ??? |
| 09:23.16 | Guerin | ethics: bound to be, i'm just lazy |
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| 09:23.31 | TBBle | ^rob^: With luck, and the passing of time, and updating of dependancies, yes. |
| 09:23.34 | ethics | guerin i never worked it out heheh awk works hehe |
| 09:23.35 | ^rob^ | i can't use xfree86 - does not have aiptek tabled driver |
| 09:23.41 | Guerin | ^rob^: there will as soon as you make them using the instructions in /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:23.50 | mnavarro | ola |
| 09:23.56 | ethics | guerin i just migrated one of my etches to ubuntu...fun crossover 8) |
| 09:23.59 | ^rob^ | TBBle: any howto link or something? |
| 09:24.01 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |awk '/ubuntu/ {print $2}' |
| 09:24.01 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# |
| 09:24.14 | ^rob^ | Guerin: sid backport? - i have etch - how do i do that? |
| 09:24.30 | Guerin | ^rob^: ask dpk |
| 09:24.31 | Guerin | g |
| 09:24.34 | ^rob^ | roger |
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| 09:24.41 | ^rob^ | !dpk sid backport |
| 09:24.50 | TBBle | ^rob^: For my method, you just wait. And maybe fret and fuss over update-excuses, if you're so inclined. |
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| 09:24.52 | mnavarro | ola |
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| 09:25.04 | EmleyMoor | ^rob^: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:25.04 | ik-ppc | hola |
| 09:25.05 | Guerin | ^rob^: read what i fucking wrote again |
| 09:25.18 | ^rob^ | TBBle: i can't wait i need the aiptek driver... yesterday! |
| 09:25.18 | Guerin | I get no hits on aptitude search libscg |
| 09:25.34 | Guerin | ^rob^: aptitude install time-machine |
| 09:25.38 | ^rob^ | I've compiled 2.6.12.2 kern - 2.6.8 aiptek is bugy |
| 09:25.45 | TBBle | ^rob^: Then take the other advice you've been given? |
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| 09:26.16 | ^rob^ | Guerin: no cursing please! |
| 09:26.24 | Guerin | ^rob^: bear in mind that installing sid stuff can and probably will break everything for you |
| 09:26.28 | mhall | Guerin: What package do I want for Ath XP? |
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| 09:26.37 | Guerin | ^rob^: i'll fucking well curse if i goddamn please |
| 09:27.05 | ^rob^ | Guerin: ok - hold your horses man - calm down! |
| 09:27.06 | Guerin | mhall: won't make a difference, since thse cpus are strong enough to play any video while doing multiple concurrent kernel builds |
| 09:27.16 | Guerin | speaking of horses |
| 09:27.34 | tv | I've characteristic irc client, for linux. Sorry, I don't speak english. |
| 09:27.37 | Guerin | http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3344263a7773,00.html |
| 09:28.18 | mhall | streuner: funktioniert's gut? |
| 09:28.24 | Guerin | bloody horse people, they're as bad as dog people and whale people, thinking their critter is somehow more special than others |
| 09:28.30 | streuner | mhall: very well :-) |
| 09:28.36 | ^rob^ | Guerin: other option is to install xf86 dev libs - i done that - but there's no xf86.h library and others too - searched on debian packages - no result for xf86.h - to compile the aiptek driver. |
| 09:28.39 | liable | tv: try #debian.hu |
| 09:28.45 | streuner | mhall: no more cleaning of the mouse-ball ;-) |
| 09:29.06 | tv | liable: thanx |
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| 09:29.27 | ^rob^ | i donno which package has xf86.h can somebody help me? |
| 09:29.35 | jm_ | streuner_: are you already using it? |
| 09:29.36 | mhall | I got so horribly tired of my wireless network fucking up unpredictably that I just ran a 75ft Ethernet cable across the middle of my apartment. |
| 09:29.44 | ^rob^ | i am searching for it since morning! - no luck |
| 09:29.45 | mhall | Hope nobody trips and dies. |
| 09:29.50 | TBBle | ^rob^: If packages.debian.org says there's no such file, there's no such file in Debian. |
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| 09:30.03 | liable | !find xf86.h |
| 09:30.18 | ^rob^ | !find xf86.h |
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| 09:30.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xf86.h' (1): (/usr/include/freetype2/freetype/ftxf86.h) in libdevel/libfreetype6-dev. |
| 09:30.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xf86.h' (1): (/usr/include/freetype2/freetype/ftxf86.h) in libdevel/libfreetype6-dev. |
| 09:30.50 | streuner | jm_: yes, actually :-) |
| 09:30.55 | Guerin | mhall: how far can plain cat5e go without flaking? tens of metres? hundreds? kilometres? |
| 09:30.55 | ^rob^ | there's no xf86.h in it - it's only an #include |
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| 09:31.18 | ^rob^ | and that's ftxf86.h - bummer |
| 09:31.31 | Guerin | that search actually searched the sid archive |
| 09:31.32 | mhall | Guerin: oh boy, an ungodly distance |
| 09:31.37 | nothingmuch | typically, how permissive is the login shell setting? |
| 09:31.41 | Guerin | which contains xorg, now |
| 09:31.45 | nothingmuch | can I have a login shell in my home directory? |
| 09:31.45 | mhall | Guerin: it's more the aesthetic/inconvenience |
| 09:31.48 | jm_ | streuner: did you notice it moving on its own from time to time? |
| 09:31.51 | snail | TBBle: is that necessarily true? what about files that are built at install time rather than packaged ? |
| 09:31.55 | nothingmuch | can it be a script to multiplex on platform? |
| 09:31.57 | mhall | Guerin: than anything else |
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| 09:31.59 | llama32 | ich setze W?rste herauf meine Bohrung von, der meine Schei?e und verdaute Nahrung, die mir geh?rt, hervorsteht |
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| 09:32.12 | mhall | Guerin: where do i get subfont.ttf |
| 09:32.16 | Guerin | mhall: oh, i was thinking about running a cable a couple hundred metres underground, and was wondering if it wwould be a hassle in terms of packet loss |
| 09:32.27 | Guerin | mhall: htfsik? |
| 09:32.27 | streuner | jm_: heh? :-) |
| 09:32.34 | Guerin | mhall: what is subfont.ttf? |
| 09:32.37 | TBBle | snail: Hmm. Fair point. I doubt any .h files are though. |
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| 09:32.53 | mhall | Guerin: the subtitle font for mplaye |
| 09:33.05 | ethics | mhall get mplayer-fonts. |
| 09:33.06 | mhall | Guerin: says i should put it into my .mplayer dir someplace |
| 09:33.08 | Guerin | mhall: oh. No idea. it always seems to default to something else for me |
| 09:33.09 | mhall | ethics: ah-ha |
| 09:33.16 | ethics | mhall or change the font choice in a gui |
| 09:33.25 | Guerin | or in mplayerrc |
| 09:33.27 | jm_ | streuner: well I've noticed that mine sometimes moves a bit (well the cursor, not sure if the mouse actually moves, hard to say) even when I am nowhere near it, and I've heard the same from several other people using optical mice |
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| 09:33.40 | d3s | where can I put BSD disklabel (FreeBSD partition tables) support on kernel 2.6.7? |
| 09:33.42 | ethics | guerin yeah that hehe |
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| 09:33.49 | mhall | ethics: E: Couldn't find package mplayer-fonts |
| 09:34.15 | ethics | mhall apt-cache for it ...im not a package server they change names i doont know hehe |
| 09:34.19 | jm_ | mhall: they have fonts on their home page |
| 09:34.50 | mhall | Guerin: 100 meters between stations and hubs or switches |
| 09:35.04 | mhall | Guerin: according to specs for 10 base and 100 base |
| 09:35.05 | ethics | mhall also to solve those kind of issues try using aptitude to install things fonts are not dependant but are recommended |
| 09:35.09 | mhall | ethics: |
| 09:35.12 | mhall | ethics: ah ok |
| 09:35.28 | Penix | d3s: UFS support in Miscellaneous filesystems |
| 09:35.43 | d3s | Penix: I can only found that |
| 09:35.56 | Resistance | just dowl'd latest D-I today at 3 times, can't boot 26's images, just 24! |
| 09:35.59 | Penix | d3s: so, enable it |
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| 09:36.09 | d3s | I need these UFS filesystem support (read only) and BSD disklabel (FreeBSD partition tables) support |
| 09:36.16 | ethics | mhall....i interchange from appt-get and aptitude on command line...they have same command structures but on does recommendeds...if i dont know much baout the app i see what aptitude install shows and what apti-get install has and i pick and choose by names i know etc |
| 09:36.22 | Penix | d3s: I'm pretty sure UFS support is all you need |
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| 09:36.34 | d3s | what about the bsd |
| 09:36.38 | liable | Resistance: sata drive? |
| 09:36.46 | Resistance | liable, no |
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| 09:37.13 | Resistance | liable, the CDimage looks wrong |
| 09:37.24 | Penix | d3s: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:37.28 | Penix | d3s: mount a ufs filesystem that's inside a freebsd slice? |
| 09:38.17 | Penix | d3s: wait |
| 09:38.22 | Penix | d3s: Partition Types |
| 09:39.49 | Guerin | mhall: yeah, i found some anecdotal evidence suggesting up to 170m is possible |
| 09:40.13 | Resistance | liable, i'm reinstalling on test machine, then dowl'd d-i 12/07 13/07, both can't boot 26's images, i'm here just for report... |
| 09:40.15 | nksen | how do I generally find out the version of 'apt-getted' packages I installed? do I have to use dpkg? |
| 09:40.21 | Penix | d3s: Filesystems->Partition Types->BSD disklabel |
| 09:40.33 | Penix | been so long since I've mounted ufs from linux... |
| 09:40.34 | liable | Resistance: try #debian-boot |
| 09:40.40 | Guerin | nksen: aptitude will show you |
| 09:40.43 | TBBle | The longer the cable, the longer the minimum packet length, assuming you don't get too much... attenuation, I think it is. |
| 09:40.46 | Resistance | liable, thx |
| 09:40.54 | Guerin | TBBle: ah, makes sense. |
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| 09:41.07 | schnoblattila | hi all |
| 09:41.11 | Rawplayer | LO |
| 09:41.13 | mhall | Guerin: well 100baset does not use all pairs |
| 09:41.25 | mhall | Guerin: drive dc down the empty pairs and use it to power a repeater |
| 09:41.36 | d3s | Penix: I need to prepare my kernel for my fbsd.. whatever that mean is ... http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+FreeBSD-3.html#installlinux |
| 09:41.52 | Guerin | mhall: heh, nifty. |
| 09:42.00 | TBBle | mhall: You mean power over ethernet? |
| 09:42.04 | mhall | Guerin: i used it to power an access point |
| 09:42.10 | nksen | Guerin: it's neither installed, nor finable with apt-cache search :/ running oldstable |
| 09:42.10 | Guerin | that owns |
| 09:42.12 | mhall | TBBle: yeah, the ghetto cheap version |
| 09:42.14 | internat | yeah PoE is good stuff.. |
| 09:42.22 | Guerin | nksen: aptitude is in woody |
| 09:42.27 | mhall | Guerin: dlink makes some little boxes that do it the right way |
| 09:42.32 | etele | can somebody help me |
| 09:42.33 | d3s | Penix: You mean File systems --> Partitiion types --> Advance partition selection... but no bsd option |
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| 09:42.39 | mhall | Guerin: but only works for poe capable devices :-/ |
| 09:42.41 | etele | I have trouble with my kernel |
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| 09:42.44 | nksen | Guerin: weird :/ not in this version running there |
| 09:42.51 | internat | nayh u can make ur own splitter |
| 09:42.55 | mhall | Guerin: if you can solder, the redneck version works on any device |
| 09:42.58 | TBBle | You could prolly also use the spare pairs as a large FM radio antennae... |
| 09:43.02 | Penix | d3s: I'm looking at it right now with 2.6.12 |
| 09:43.18 | Guerin | nksen: dselect, then. but there's no reason not to use dpkg -l |
| 09:43.20 | internat | yeah u make a splitter that pulls the power pairs out of the cable before it goes into the other thing |
| 09:43.25 | Guerin | mhall: that, sir, is the shit. |
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| 09:43.31 | d3s | Penix.. mine is 2.6.7 |
| 09:43.43 | nksen | Guerin: aye! thx |
| 09:43.52 | Guerin | mhall: would it need additional shielding, or won't the current interfere with the data? |
| 09:44.21 | Penix | d3s: upgrade then |
| 09:44.33 | d3s | Penix: hehehe |
| 09:45.26 | TBBle | Uhh... As I recall, DC doesn't interfere. Interference comes from changing directions of current? |
| 09:45.30 | liable | isnt it just called cat6? |
| 09:45.32 | mhall | Guerin: well the trick is, it's DC |
| 09:45.35 | internat | yeah thats right |
| 09:45.42 | internat | cause its direct theres no interference |
| 09:45.47 | mhall | Guerin: and DC can't transformerize itself into things |
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| 09:46.09 | mhall | Guerin: so you can take the unused 2 pairs |
| 09:46.18 | mhall | Guerin: biwire one pair as + and other as - |
| 09:46.51 | mhall | Guerin: then run them into the hub's power jack by buying the coax power connector that mates with the hub or repeater |
| 09:47.12 | mhall | Guerin: solder the one end onto the adapter and the other to the power connector and bob's your uncle |
| 09:47.14 | QwErTz- | what is the difference between nfs-user-server and nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 09:47.28 | Penix | QwErTz-: read the descriptions |
| 09:47.31 | yaarg | lol |
| 09:47.34 | mhall | Guerin: might have to measure the voltage drop and boost your DC voltage a little bit but you usually have wiggle room |
| 09:47.55 | mhall | Guerin: generally they'll use a 9V adapter on a 5V device and let the device drop some volts into a regulator |
| 09:48.08 | mhall | Guerin: but rarely does the regulator eat all of it up on itself |
| 09:48.23 | Guerin | sweet |
| 09:48.38 | QwErTz- | Penix great idea lol |
| 09:49.56 | liable | hehe, everytime someone says lol, I picture jesus now. :P |
| 09:50.23 | liable | damn website is twisting my mind.. |
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| 09:54.08 | nomed^ | hi |
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| 09:56.15 | maxxle | I'm using the gnome command line 2.8.2 applet on my debian box but I can't write anything in it. Copy/Paste works fine. Any suggestions? |
| 09:57.51 | ksejajs | hi all, want to know how do i add a icon(application shortcut) for everyone to use on gnomedesktop? |
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| 10:03.41 | antgel | in wmaker, when i launch x-terminal-emulator, the icon turns grey and i can't start another instance by double-clicking with ctrl. how do i disable this behaviour? |
| 10:03.50 | ethics | ksejajs, make it for one and put it in every Desktop flolder under home..... |
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| 10:09.18 | spiekey | hello! |
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| 10:09.36 | RichiH | !hi |
| 10:09.37 | dpkg | hello, richih |
| 10:09.41 | RichiH | argh :p |
| 10:09.59 | spiekey | how come i cant find the kernel sources for the 2.6.11 kernel? apt-cache search kernel | grep 2.6.11 | grep source |
| 10:10.13 | ethics | ksejajs, spieky is in unstable |
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| 10:11.17 | spiekey | i am running tasting, but i can install a 2.6.11 image? |
| 10:11.19 | ethics | 662 people wave hello emotionlessly and in total unison ... |
| 10:11.33 | ethics | somethink like that richb |
| 10:11.39 | liable | spiekey: yes |
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| 10:11.58 | spiekey | ok, thanks |
| 10:12.02 | ethics | spiekey, the bad bits dont come with it |
| 10:12.11 | spiekey | :D |
| 10:12.19 | spiekey | i need to reboot then. thanks |
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| 10:12.40 | ethics | spiekey, there were some modules removed for nonfree reasons and stuff i think not sure i thats the only reason |
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| 10:13.00 | jim | spiekey: 2.6.11 was in unstable, not testing last time I knew |
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| 10:13.45 | ethics | !dsearch kernel image 2.6.11 etch |
| 10:13.58 | pappy | dijiko: non, 666, le nb du demon |
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| 10:14.17 | ethics | !search kernel image 2.6.11 etch |
| 10:14.20 | dijiko | pappy >> plus maintenant, c'est quand tu es rentré |
| 10:14.26 | dijiko | :p |
| 10:14.34 | pappy | dijiko: wakatta yo ! |
| 10:14.36 | ethics | bah i hate bots hehe |
| 10:14.43 | RichiH | pappy: ? |
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| 10:14.53 | pappy | RichiH: japanese |
| 10:15.07 | jim | pappy/dijiko: you're welcome to speak english here... if you're more comfortable in french, |
| 10:15.09 | jim | !fr |
| 10:15.09 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 10:15.14 | pappy | RichiH: "I understood!" |
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| 10:15.50 | pappy | jim: no prob ^_^ I saw after... |
| 10:15.54 | dijiko | jim >> we can speak english, it's not a problem, i just said something to a french-speaking friend so i used french but if you prefer english ;) |
| 10:15.56 | pappy | sorry |
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| 10:16.21 | pappy | dijiko: for sure he prefers english |
| 10:16.26 | jim | it's not really a problem especially now... al the english speakers are probably asleep |
| 10:16.28 | pappy | dijiko: -_- |
| 10:16.39 | pappy | jim: ^_^ |
| 10:16.39 | dijiko | i've understood lol |
| 10:16.52 | dijiko | pappy >> 666 again ! |
| 10:17.00 | jim | it's more a matter of whether you're comfortable |
| 10:17.00 | ethics | yeah us aussies go to bed at 8pm.... |
| 10:17.00 | pappy | dijiko: mieta ! |
| 10:17.15 | ethics | hehe |
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| 10:17.36 | pappy | ethics: not me... << 2h in the morning |
| 10:18.40 | ethics | pappy hehe i sleep occasionally just not at any specific times |
| 10:18.59 | pappy | lol |
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| 10:19.41 | jim | I'm just curious... a fairly large majority of people find tcl bad somehow... can anyone say anything good about it? |
| 10:19.42 | pappy | I work during the day, so I need to sleep a bit every night |
| 10:20.05 | ethics | pappy sometimes i nap sometimes i stay up late sometime i even go all night...depends on the girl..........giggle |
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| 10:22.28 | iobound | hi, anyone else running the new x.org packages with the proprietary nvidia driver? i only get signal 11's on startup (used to work with my locally-compiled x.org) |
| 10:23.14 | ethics | iobound, im o ubuntu xorg with it...came from etch yesterday ..not sure on unstables |
| 10:23.16 | jim | iobound: why not use that then? and see if you can find out why and talk to gravity |
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| 10:23.54 | iobound | jim, because my locally compiled x.org had some other snags.. such as 'nedit' displaying wrongly (pretty strange) |
| 10:23.58 | iobound | well i'll check it out again |
| 10:24.35 | iobound | any suggestions on how to track down the sig11? i tried to run 'gdb X' but that doesn't work since the screen isn't reset |
| 10:24.42 | jim | maybe the sources you're using are a bit different... |
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| 10:24.55 | iobound | is it possible to get a "gdb bt" type dump non-interactively? |
| 10:25.37 | jim | you could try to run gdb, run x.org in gdb, run the backtrace, exit |
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| 10:25.58 | iobound | i tried running 'gdb X' and then 'run', but the screen goes black and I have to hard-reset |
| 10:26.10 | jim | it would be nice if you could get a version of xorg with -g and not stripped |
| 10:26.25 | iobound | how do I do that? |
| 10:26.43 | iobound | perhaps using apt-get source? |
| 10:26.46 | jim | you could rebuild his package with -g flag |
| 10:26.51 | jim | well, yes |
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| 10:27.08 | jim | that would be your first thing to do |
| 10:27.11 | iobound | ok thanks, i'll try various things :) |
| 10:27.27 | jm_ | iobound: gdb has batch mode |
| 10:27.35 | Outlaw84 | what is the vga code for 1280x1024@16k ? |
| 10:27.38 | iobound | batch mode, sounds just like what i need |
| 10:27.40 | iobound | how does that work? |
| 10:27.43 | jim | there's supposed to be a common way of saying "with -g" and "don't strip" |
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| 10:28.40 | SeerKan | hello ... how can i add a user with id 0 ? |
| 10:28.44 | jim | well I don't remember the exact syntax, but it's supposed to apply to maybe all sid and etch pachages |
| 10:28.52 | jim | SeerKan: you have one |
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| 10:29.01 | jm_ | you can also use its remote connection capabilities |
| 10:29.02 | SeerKan | jim: ... i have root.. i want one more |
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| 10:29.11 | iobound | ok, but can you tell me more about the gdb batch mode so I can get a 'bt' dump on sig11 automatically? |
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| 10:29.20 | jim | SeerKan: man useradd |
| 10:29.26 | SeerKan | jim with id 0 |
| 10:29.27 | jim | man usermod too |
| 10:30.10 | AlphaUser | Where can I add an imwheel command? I currently have to manually run a script to get imwheel working... I know there's some place this is manually setup, but my mouse is funny so I needed a lot of extra arguments :( |
| 10:30.22 | jim | iobound: I can't, no... never used batch mode... but you ought to be able to set up file redirects and such, which you should do |
| 10:30.24 | AlphaUser | where can I add the command... to run on startup, that is |
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| 10:30.41 | jm_ | iobound: man gdb, take a look at -x switch, and batch and so on, then there's info gdb |
| 10:30.45 | drac | SeerKan: 2 users, with uid/gid 0? That's stupid. Install sudo instead. |
| 10:31.03 | iobound | jim and jm_ ok thanks, i'll see what i can figure out |
| 10:31.13 | jim | AlphaUser: cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/imwheel |
| 10:31.21 | jim | then edit /etc/init.d/imwheel |
| 10:31.43 | jim | then man update-rc.d |
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| 10:31.55 | SeerKan | drac: i need for something ... for an aplication... |
| 10:31.58 | jim | use that to schedule the script |
| 10:32.06 | AlphaUser | jim- thank you. |
| 10:32.33 | jim | SeerKan: no application should -ever- need that |
| 10:32.48 | SeerKan | Phillip:~# usermod -u 0 unitedlink |
| 10:32.48 | SeerKan | usermod: uid 0 is not unique |
| 10:33.05 | SeerKan | jim: just make me hapy :) |
| 10:33.39 | jim | if it needs root access, something is -wrong- |
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| 10:34.12 | jim | explain why this application needs the ability to destroy your entire system |
| 10:34.20 | SeerKan | jim: it's made by me ... |
| 10:34.29 | AlphaUser | SeerKan- That makes no difference. |
| 10:34.31 | jim | you wrote it?? |
| 10:34.31 | liable | hax0r |
| 10:34.36 | SeerKan | please tell me the command ... |
| 10:34.39 | jons | hmm there was a program that wrote a log file to a directory, what would the best way be for me to find out when it's written a log to that directory, bearing in mind i can't edit the source code and recompile the program as it's not something i haev access to |
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| 10:34.43 | SeerKan | i need it ... |
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| 10:35.21 | jim | try this, man 5 passwd |
| 10:35.23 | jons | s/was/is/ |
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| 10:35.56 | jim | you'll actually learn something new in the process :P |
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| 10:38.04 | jim | SeerKan: this is only for you right? others are going to look many times before running this and allowing root access for it |
| 10:38.11 | ircdevil | privoxy is ingenious - should be a dependency for all browsers! |
| 10:38.23 | ircdevil | or at least suggested |
| 10:38.31 | jim | ircdevil: howcome? |
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| 10:39.11 | ircdevil | jim: it removes from my sight the junk of the internet! |
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| 10:41.02 | knighttemplar | can someone help me add apm to the /etc/modules/? |
| 10:41.30 | liable | echo >> apmd /etc/modules..... |
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| 10:41.38 | simonrvn | use an editor. and it's a file, not a dir |
| 10:42.01 | knighttemplar | apm doesnt work |
| 10:42.11 | knighttemplar | dude sorry for the last / |
| 10:42.40 | knighttemplar | apmd* doesnt work , it says that it is not supported by the kernel |
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| 10:43.00 | liable | err, no it wont... my bad also. |
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| 10:43.45 | ethics | anyone know if explore2fs has any error warnings etc |
| 10:43.59 | knighttemplar | liable: does it matter if i add it ? |
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| 10:44.20 | liable | knighttemplar: it'll error, at boot, no mudule found.. |
| 10:44.33 | liable | module even |
| 10:44.38 | jm_ | ethics: I bet the author knows |
| 10:45.08 | knighttemplar | what is the file to modifyy , i was reading the module file and it says do not modify directly this file |
| 10:45.09 | liable | knighttemplar: install apmd |
| 10:45.11 | ethics | jm_ yeah i was skimming the manual ill go look harder hehe |
| 10:45.24 | knighttemplar | liable: i did , kernel doesnt support it |
| 10:45.32 | simonrvn | knighttemplar: uh, modules.conf, not modules |
| 10:45.33 | jm_ | ethics: but yes, it will report errors if something goes wrong |
| 10:45.37 | knighttemplar | linuxserver:/home/admin# apmd |
| 10:45.37 | knighttemplar | No APM support in kernel |
| 10:45.40 | liable | knighttemplar: standard debian one? |
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| 10:46.08 | knighttemplar | nope , one i got as a package 2.6.8-u386 |
| 10:46.16 | jm_ | :) |
| 10:46.22 | knighttemplar | 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 10:49.03 | cooltech | hi |
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| 10:54.31 | liable | knighttemplar: never realised, but appears to not be supported in 2.6 images. Might have to compile yourself, or switch to acpi if you can.. |
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| 10:56.41 | ethics | liable nope ...and what is there doesnt have patches... |
| 10:56.45 | TNKS | hi all. I have a simple question. /etc/modules seems to force loading of modules on boot for all kernels, but is there a sensible way to force module loading differently depending on the kernel? |
| 10:56.57 | ordi | I've got a problem since yesterday, folowing a full update, after rebooting, I've no more USB support, and can't bring up my ethx, someone please? |
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| 10:57.09 | ethics | liable biggest gripe with debian kernels...hardware support patches |
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| 10:58.26 | jm_ | TNKS: modules-<version> |
| 10:58.29 | ethics | TNKS, modconf? |
| 10:58.42 | ethics | urdi what was updated i you migrateted or anything? |
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| 10:59.25 | ordi | ethics I don't remember what was updated today ... |
| 11:00.53 | ethics | ordi do the modules get loaded? |
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| 11:01.08 | ethics | ordi what version? |
| 11:01.28 | ordi | when I try to run usbview I have this message: can not open file: /proc/bus/usb/devices verify that your kernel... |
| 11:01.34 | KodeK | Is there a way to call the script from the debian install to reconfigure my network interfaces? |
| 11:01.43 | ordi | ethics yes the modules does load correctly |
| 11:01.52 | jm_ | ordi: a) your kernel must support usbfs, and it has to be mounted |
| 11:01.59 | ordi | kernel 2.6.8 |
| 11:02.22 | liable | KodeK: man interfaces, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown |
| 11:02.25 | KodeK | thank you |
| 11:03.12 | KodeK | Wait. Isn't there a script to do that? |
| 11:03.21 | ordi | yesterday before updating, EVERYTHING was runing well |
| 11:04.11 | knighttemplar | liable: how do i switch to acpid |
| 11:04.12 | knighttemplar | ? |
| 11:04.40 | ethics | is there a log file ordi can check to see what he actually upgraded |
| 11:04.40 | liable | knighttemplar: is it a laptop? and how old? |
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| 11:05.22 | iobound | hi again |
| 11:06.01 | iobound | is anyone running unstable's x.org with nvidia 7667? I can only get the older 7174 to work, the 7667 causes a sig11. but with my locally compiled x.org 6.8.2 both versions work |
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| 11:06.10 | kos_tom | hi |
| 11:06.23 | kos_tom | i'm trying to create a pbuilder environnement for testing, but I'm facing the following error : |
| 11:06.30 | kos_tom | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 11:06.30 | kos_tom | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:06.30 | kos_tom | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.30 | kos_tom | eggy: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
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| 11:06.56 | kos_tom | I'm facing the error found at http://rafb.net/paste/results/pDq09186.html (sorry for the 4 lines flood) |
| 11:07.02 | KodeK | liable, where do I type in the router's ip? inside /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:07.03 | ethics | iobound, im using 7667 on ubuntu's so its not driver xorg..its unstables ones.... |
| 11:07.16 | liable | KodeK: yep. |
| 11:07.27 | iobound | ethics, sorry, i don't understand what you mean with "not driver xorg" ? |
| 11:07.29 | knighttemplar | liable: nop it's a desktop so i don't think it works with acpid |
| 11:07.31 | knighttemplar | :P |
| 11:07.42 | ethics | kos_tom, so do what it said maybee? |
| 11:07.50 | liable | knighttemplar: what do you need it for? |
| 11:08.01 | kos_tom | ethics: it's during a "pbuilder create", so I can't do anything |
| 11:08.29 | ethics | iobound, as in xorg can work with the driver....it's the unstable ones atm try to debug and send it in ...gravity will work out why it does it |
| 11:08.37 | iobound | right |
| 11:08.40 | iobound | it's a known issue? |
| 11:08.50 | knighttemplar | liable: turn off the pc automatically instead of pressing the button |
| 11:08.57 | ethics | kos_tom, ahh.. |
| 11:09.32 | ethics | iobound, xorg only went in a day ago so probably not...also the driver was experimental so the wouldnt know about it either |
| 11:09.36 | liable | knighttemplar: oh, just install acpid. *should* work |
| 11:09.41 | AjLavJo | if the xf86config can't find my mouse on /dev/mouse where else can it be? |
| 11:09.46 | kos_tom | ethics: I think it's a bug in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/sarge |
| 11:09.54 | kos_tom | ethics: I think it's a bug in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch (sorry) |
| 11:09.57 | iobound | ethics which driver is experimental? i'm running with the one from www.nvidia.com |
| 11:10.32 | ethics | iobound ahh then thats why... |
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| 11:10.44 | liable | AjLavJo: /dev/input/mice |
| 11:10.46 | ethics | !tell iobound about nvidia-howto |
| 11:11.03 | stew | kos_tom: try running apt-get -f install in a hook script |
| 11:11.09 | iobound | ok, does it have debian specific code patches? i've never had trouble with the standard nvidia.com ones before |
| 11:11.10 | stew | kos_tom: and check the bts |
| 11:11.15 | knighttemplar | liable: lol i did , nothing happens can't load it |
| 11:11.17 | antanas | Hello, can someone help with dual boot (Win2k/Debian )problem? Error ...\system32\ntoskrnl.exe missing or corrupt |
| 11:11.30 | kos_tom | stew: I've added the libslang2 package to the list of packages in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch, and I'll see |
| 11:11.40 | liable | knighttemplar: what do you mean, by load it? |
| 11:11.54 | ethics | kos_tom, try BTS or try installing the files it wants around it if you can in any way... |
| 11:12.08 | ethics | antanas, sounds like windows is dead |
| 11:12.35 | ethics | antanas, you running it on the first disk or second? |
| 11:12.37 | knighttemplar | can't open it |
| 11:13.08 | antanas | ethics, Win2k on first |
| 11:13.09 | kos_tom | ethics: ok, with the addition of libslang2, it works nicely |
| 11:13.14 | liable | knighttemplar: you dont do anything with it. It just runs. does lsmod show any acpi modules loaded? |
| 11:13.15 | kos_tom | ethics: i'm going to fill a but to the BTS |
| 11:14.07 | ethics | kos_tom good lad....1 bug down .... |
| 11:14.19 | iobound | ethics ugh what a hassle, i don't use make-kpkg either.. |
| 11:14.31 | knighttemplar | nope |
| 11:14.39 | knighttemplar | doesn't load shi* |
| 11:14.45 | ethics | antanas, you just change to dual boot or it just started happening... |
| 11:14.47 | knighttemplar | i have tried all day with this |
| 11:15.18 | AjLavJo | damn it, it can't find my mouse :( |
| 11:15.20 | ethics | iobound, there are debs straight off pdo if you want |
| 11:15.38 | antanas | ethics, I just installed DeMuDi with GRUB on MBR |
| 11:15.45 | ethics | iobound, 3 files but you still need to kpkg |
| 11:15.52 | iobound | ethics, do you really think the deb specific drivers will make a difference? (are there patches?) |
| 11:16.17 | AjLavJo | is there a way to check if the mouse is avtive somewhere? |
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| 11:16.32 | ethics | antanas you probably need ot run the windows disk and fdisk /mbr so you get the windows bootloader and fix linux to boot of grub |
| 11:16.40 | iobound | i can't stand to use kpkg.. i always forget how to use it and end up with a broken system due to all this initrd shenanigans |
| 11:16.41 | AjLavJo | it's a ps2 mouse with two buttons |
| 11:16.45 | ethics | chain them after each other ... |
| 11:17.04 | kos_tom | ethics: ok, bug filled. |
| 11:17.20 | petemc | iobound: make kpkg doesnt require an initrd, its the prebuilt kernels that do |
| 11:17.24 | ethics | iobound, you dont really need to do the kernel...its just a driver module\ |
| 11:17.38 | ethics | iobountd you can use module assistant |
| 11:17.48 | ethics | iobound actually 1 sec |
| 11:17.55 | ethics | !nvidia one-liner |
| 11:17.55 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 11:18.00 | iobound | ok, ok, but will it produce a different binary than the one from nvidia.com or is it just for packaging purposes? |
| 11:18.05 | ethics | iobound ann one liner for you hehe |
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| 11:18.19 | iobound | ethics hehe ok but i don't have an "xserver-xfree86" package no more :) |
| 11:18.33 | liable | knighttemplar: is apmd still installed? if it is, remove it. Is there any acpi modules loaded in 'lsmod'? |
| 11:18.44 | ethics | iobound so...just need ot change the xorg or whatever to nvidia instead |
| 11:18.50 | ethics | shouldnt matter |
| 11:19.01 | drac | xorg's nvidia package is still in experimental. |
| 11:19.07 | Nurbs | I'm currently wondering about apt 0.6 and its gnupg signatures. apt-get doesn't seem to warn at all if a repository doesn't sign their files - can one have apt-get warn about that, too? Because otherwise just deleting the signatures would be a valid attack ... |
| 11:19.12 | knighttemplar | liable: nope there's not |
| 11:19.16 | liable | knighttemplar: how old is the box? it may not support acpi. |
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| 11:19.34 | iobound | drac, ok how do i pull a deb from experimental? can i just wget it from somewhere? |
| 11:19.41 | Guerin | iobound: you don't |
| 11:19.52 | Guerin | iobound: unless you can figure it out for yourself |
| 11:20.01 | drac | iobound: what Guerin said. |
| 11:20.16 | iobound | right |
| 11:20.21 | Nurbs | drac: ah, 1.0.7667 already has got xorg support? nice :) |
| 11:20.22 | iobound | guess it's time to hit google then |
| 11:20.24 | knighttemplar | PIII 600mhz , 128mb |
| 11:20.26 | liable | knighttemplar: worked with 2.4 and apm? |
| 11:20.33 | knighttemplar | liable: yes |
| 11:20.34 | liable | knighttemplar: oh. |
| 11:20.53 | knighttemplar | liable : and it work with the 2.6.11 kernel in other distro |
| 11:21.28 | Guerin | Nurbs: are you sure? |
| 11:21.39 | iobound | drac, well, i found it from packages.debian.org :) |
| 11:21.40 | liable | knighttemplar: um, was apm enabled in that kernel though? |
| 11:21.49 | antanas | ethics, thanks. I'll try. |
| 11:21.55 | liable | knighttemplar: what distro? |
| 11:22.11 | Nurbs | Guerin: no. but: "<drac> xorg's nvidia package is still in experimental." seems to indicate that |
| 11:22.17 | knighttemplar | knoppix 3.9 and with ubuntu |
| 11:22.19 | Guerin | Nurbs: i'm pretty sure i get warnings on repos without gpg sigs ... |
| 11:22.26 | Guerin | Nurbs: no, re apt 0.6 |
| 11:22.27 | Nurbs | Guerin: oh, you mean that. |
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| 11:23.47 | iobound | i'm getting dependency troubles, shouldn't 'libglu1-xorg' "provide" libglu1 or whatever? |
| 11:23.50 | ethics | sorry guerin am i missing something...nvidia 766X works with xorg.....is that what your asking or confirming ? |
| 11:23.54 | liable | knighttemplar: ok, no apm there either. sec. |
| 11:24.01 | Orfeous | shorewall experts here? : ) |
| 11:24.09 | goron | Why is SIGHUP called as it is? Signal Hang Up, that's what it stands for, but what does Hang Up mean (or is it just used for telephone hangup in history and the name has continued to exist for other purposes). I don't see the analogy between hanging up a telephone and e.g. telling a daemon to reread some configuration files. The only analogy might be that after the SIGHUP has been send, the user is ready with changing the configuration file, and with a |
| 11:24.09 | goron | telephone call, the user is ready with the call when he hangs up. Does anybody know why SIGHUP is called as it is and where it comes from? |
| 11:24.34 | knighttemplar | liable: i can load the apm module , and it will make the computer turn off |
| 11:25.03 | liable | knighttemplar: eh? in 2.6? |
| 11:25.05 | knighttemplar | but the kernel isn't working with the new powermanagements packages |
| 11:25.05 | iobound | goron i always assumed it was a signal sent to processes when you disconnected from your shell on dial-up |
| 11:25.08 | knighttemplar | yes |
| 11:25.13 | Coke | goron: comes from the time when you connected to mainframes using remote terminals. |
| 11:25.20 | petemc | goron: check wikipedia or something |
| 11:25.51 | goron | iobound: so it was a kind of "event" on which application could react? |
| 11:26.06 | Guerin | ethics: i know less than nothing about proprietary nvidia shite |
| 11:26.37 | ethics | guerin ahh cool i lost track of what people reckoned... |
| 11:26.47 | ethics | xserver-xorg 6.8.2-10 the X.Org X server |
| 11:26.48 | ethics | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.7664-1 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 11:26.48 | ethics | ii nvidia-kernel- 1.0.7664-1+10. NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.12 |
| 11:26.49 | Nurbs | Guerin: I get warnings if I don't have the keys and they're signed. But my local (http) repository for example for sure is not signed and I do not get a warning about it on apt-get update. I do get warnings about files whose origin cannot be verified during install, though which should suffice |
| 11:27.03 | ethics | so yes it works |
| 11:27.21 | goron | petemc: yes, it's there. |
| 11:27.22 | Nurbs | Guerin: still, I'm wondering why there is no earlier warning. |
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| 11:28.26 | Guerin | Nurbs: ah, right, no warning on update, only on install. Well, file a low or wishlist bug against it, i guess. |
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| 11:29.01 | Nurbs | Guerin: I'll think about it. But given that it warns if no local key is found, too, I thought it'd make sense as well :) |
| 11:29.24 | iobound | goron: yeah i assume it was a signal sent when the phone connection went down. i guess daemons just re-use the signal since it "hang up" doesn't make sense for a daemon process, and there's not that many signals to use :) |
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| 11:30.01 | liable | knighttemplar: erm, you have lost me. There isnt an apm module in 2.6. |
| 11:30.11 | goron | iobound: yes, that was it (according to wikipedia). And sounds pretty plausible. |
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| 11:30.49 | crashbg | i installed debian on hda{1,5,6), and now i want to move the whole system to another harddriver, connected as sda |
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| 11:31.05 | crashbg | the harddrives are different |
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| 11:31.11 | knighttemplar | liable: well it seems that there is cause it's working |
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| 11:31.25 | stew | liable: sure there is apm in 2.6 |
| 11:31.37 | crashbg | how can i "copy" the system |
| 11:31.39 | liable | hmm. |
| 11:31.47 | mopatop | hey - quick question, if I want to install debian on a dual xeon 64bit system, which arch do I need? |
| 11:32.00 | Guerin | crashbg: man rsync |
| 11:32.00 | knighttemplar | the thing is that there's no support in some 2.6 kernels with the othe pwr management packages |
| 11:32.06 | xoz | heh, now i can test whether xorg inherits the codemorphing bug in XFree |
| 11:32.08 | AjLavJo | i can't make xf86config use my mouse |
| 11:32.15 | TBBle | xeon 64 extreme? amd64 |
| 11:32.19 | AjLavJo | i don't understand why :( |
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| 11:32.27 | Guerin | crashbg: you want to exclude some stuff like /proc |
| 11:32.31 | knighttemplar | anybody know if theres a kernel 2.6.11 package image? |
| 11:32.38 | mopatop | TBBle, even on *intel* xeon64? |
| 11:32.44 | AjLavJo | say no such file or directory for /dev/mouse |
| 11:32.49 | js_ | mopatop: ia64 i suppose |
| 11:32.54 | stew | knighttemplar: there are |
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| 11:33.07 | stew | AjLavJo: /dev/input/mice |
| 11:33.07 | TBBle | mopatop: Yup. Intel refers to it as EMT64, but it's the amd64 arch in Debian. x86_64 is another name for it. |
| 11:33.07 | mopatop | js_, I thought ia64 was for itanium 64bit chips |
| 11:33.22 | ethics | knighttemplar, on etch and sid there are |
| 11:33.24 | mopatop | TBBle, okay thanks - so I don't want ia64 then? |
| 11:33.27 | crashbg | Guerin, its on the same machine |
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| 11:33.44 | knighttemplar | im using woody |
| 11:33.47 | TBBle | mopatop: Not unless you've got an Itanium. And I don't believe Itanium was ever labelled Xeon... If it's 'extereme' that's EMT64 |
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| 11:33.59 | liable | stew: just for my sanity, where is this module in /lib/modules? |
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| 11:34.08 | ethics | Knight_Lord, then no |
| 11:34.10 | AjLavJo | then i get "no such device" |
| 11:34.15 | stew | liable: modprobe -l | grep apm |
| 11:34.19 | mopatop | TBBle, I'll go with amd64 then thanks. just one last question - do I need to enable SMP for a dualie? |
| 11:34.25 | TBBle | mopatop: Yup. |
| 11:34.28 | mopatop | k thanks |
| 11:34.34 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 11:34.46 | liable | stew: i'm on a home rolled now, but have a 2.6.7 debian image. |
| 11:34.51 | mopatop | cheers for your help! I see #debian is every bit as great as it always has been |
| 11:34.54 | mopatop | later guys |
| 11:35.00 | TBBle | mopatop: Well, not "need", but otherwise you only get one CPU used. Maybe half, I'm not clear how Hyperthreading works. |
| 11:35.01 | stew | liable:kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko |
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| 11:35.12 | liable | stew: cheers |
| 11:35.24 | Guerin | crashbg: yes. |
| 11:35.37 | Guerin | crashbg: you could use cp, but rsync is nice. |
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| 11:35.50 | [synstar] | what command can i use to copy all files and folder from one folder to another? |
| 11:35.59 | ethics | dont bother with smp on hyperthread machines. |
| 11:36.03 | AjLavJo | it says "no such device" when i try with /dev/input/mice |
| 11:36.09 | stew | [synstar]: cp |
| 11:36.20 | stew | AjLavJo: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 11:36.21 | crashbg | Guerin, ok so now first i will create partitions on the sda harddrive, then rsync from my system to the new one excluding /proc |
| 11:36.29 | [synstar] | stew, i did that but it only copies files |
| 11:36.37 | crashbg | anything else? |
| 11:36.40 | simonrvn | man cp |
| 11:36.43 | knighttemplar | ethics: by knight |
| 11:37.17 | stew | [synstar]: man cp |
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| 11:37.23 | crashbg | i mean i guss i will have to rerun grub but anything specific? |
| 11:37.32 | TBBle | crashbg: Don't copy /sys either, if it's 2.6 |
| 11:37.53 | crashbg | ok, excluding /sys :) |
| 11:37.54 | goron | Is /etc/services still actually *used* for any purpose? |
| 11:38.00 | dondelelcaro | goron: yes |
| 11:38.02 | stew | goron: yes |
| 11:38.04 | TBBle | goron: yes |
| 11:38.16 | goron | Ok, next question: for what? |
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| 11:38.27 | TBBle | goron: Same thing as always. Turning service names into ports. |
| 11:38.29 | EmleyMoor | To tie port numbers to service names |
| 11:38.30 | stew | goron: mapping service numbers to names |
| 11:38.30 | Guerin | crashbg: yeah, things like /sys and /tmp and /proc aren't really transferrable |
| 11:38.31 | dondelelcaro | goron: inetd, anything that refers to a port by name instead of by number. |
| 11:38.45 | goron | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 11:39.02 | liable | knighttemplar: ok, so when you load apm module, and try /etc/init.d/apmd start, it says it wont work/ |
| 11:40.19 | crashbg | ok starting with cfdisk :) |
| 11:40.34 | knighttemplar | apmd is there but it does nothing |
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| 11:41.19 | crashbg | do i have to make the exact-sized-as-original partitions? or i can make larger than the rsynced??? |
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| 11:42.14 | Guerin | crashbg: rsync is a file transfer mechanism, you can rsync onto any filesystem the same or larger size as the data you have |
| 11:42.30 | crashbg | oh thanks, its perfect for me |
| 11:44.41 | crashbg | and last one Guerin, do i have to mount the created partitions or i can use /dev/sda1, sda2 etc. instead? |
| 11:44.58 | stew | crashbg: you must mount them |
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| 11:45.42 | crashbg | ok, i have use dd before for exact clonync of harddrive so its still a messy in my mind :) |
| 11:45.47 | liable | knighttemplar: so, are you actually running sarge now or woody? |
| 11:46.03 | crashbg | but thanks for the advices, i think now i know what to do and man is my friend |
| 11:46.30 | Guerin | crashbg: woah, mount them |
| 11:46.54 | Guerin | crashbg: otherwise you'll be writing raw data diurectly to the partition, instead of to the filesystem |
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| 11:47.18 | Guerin | which will Fuck Things Up Royally(TM) |
| 11:47.37 | crashbg | haha ok :) |
| 11:47.57 | crashbg | hmm Guerin can i make another thing |
| 11:48.11 | crashbg | hda is 60gig, sda is 160gig |
| 11:48.18 | crashbg | can i dd hda to sda |
| 11:48.28 | crashbg | and then resize only the last partition which is /home |
| 11:48.29 | knighttemplar | liable: woody |
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| 11:48.58 | liable | knighttemplar: how did you get a 2.6 kernel for woody? |
| 11:49.12 | crashbg | liable, i also had 2.6 to woody :) |
| 11:49.18 | crashbg | before |
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| 11:49.20 | knighttemplar | liable: yes |
| 11:49.27 | liable | knighttemplar: yes what? |
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| 11:49.40 | knighttemplar | liable : yes i got a 2.6 kernel for woody |
| 11:49.48 | knighttemplar | apt-get |
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| 11:49.58 | liable | knighttemplar: how? |
| 11:50.04 | knighttemplar | apt-get |
| 11:50.22 | knighttemplar | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-686 |
| 11:50.37 | Guerin | crashbg: no; dd can do fucked up things on partitions whose geometries don't match. Use rsync. |
| 11:50.43 | Guerin | crashbg: or cp |
| 11:51.01 | Guerin | knighttemplar: you |
| 11:51.08 | Guerin | 're not telling the whole story |
| 11:51.10 | liable | knighttemplar: erm, 2.6 isnt available for woody. |
| 11:51.16 | Guerin | it is AVAILABLE |
| 11:51.21 | Guerin | it's just not in debian |
| 11:51.23 | liable | wtf |
| 11:51.25 | liable | oh |
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| 11:51.50 | antgel | in wmaker, when i launch x-terminal-emulator, the icon turns grey and i can't start another instance by double-clicking with ctrl. how do i disable this behaviour? |
| 11:52.02 | Guerin | antgel: ask tarzeau |
| 11:52.27 | Guerin | (he may not be about, i have no idea what time it is in switzerland) |
| 11:52.29 | antgel | tarzeau: how about it? |
| 11:52.31 | knighttemplar | yes it is |
| 11:52.38 | knighttemplar | avaible for woody |
| 11:52.44 | jm_ | Switzerland is CET :) |
| 11:52.46 | Guerin | knighttemplar: where'd you get it from? |
| 11:52.54 | Guerin | jm_: gmt+2? |
| 11:52.59 | AlphaUser | I was just in here asking about setting up startup scripts... I read the docs and set it up, but it does not seem to be working properly. I can't see errors in logs anywhere, but when I manually run /etc/rc2.d/S20logimwheel, I get: Starting logimwheel: logimwheel/usr/sbin/logimwheel: line 3: xmodmap: command not found. The script that this points to does have the xmodmap line in it, and works properly when manually run (/usr/sbin/logimw |
| 11:52.59 | AlphaUser | heel)... what am I doing wrong? :( |
| 11:53.15 | knighttemplar | ftp.debian.org / stable |
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| 11:53.27 | Guerin | knighttemplar: stable != woody |
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| 11:53.35 | Guerin | knighttemplar: stable == sarge |
| 11:53.36 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:53.47 | jm_ | Guerin: yup |
| 11:54.00 | J_P | anyone here tell me what is more faster free virtual machine for linux ? xen or qemu ? |
| 11:54.00 | liable | knighttemplar: did you actually do that woody->sarge thing that dpkg told you? |
| 11:54.14 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 11:54.14 | J_P | Actually i have vmware, but license is trial |
| 11:54.17 | Guerin | AlphaUser: try specifying the whole path to xmodmap in your script |
| 11:54.29 | petemc | J_P: why not try them both? |
| 11:54.29 | AlphaUser | Guerin- Thanks, I'll give that a shot |
| 11:54.35 | Guerin | J_P: xen is quite different to qemu |
| 11:54.36 | knighttemplar | liable: nope |
| 11:55.02 | Guerin | AlphaUser: or include a PATH= |
| 11:55.10 | J_P | Guerin: xen is as vmware ? |
| 11:55.10 | liable | knighttemplar: ffs dude, fucking do it, why do you think you are having problems... |
| 11:55.26 | knighttemplar | lol |
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| 11:55.34 | Guerin | J_P: no, xen and qemu and vmware are alll very, very different in their particulars |
| 11:55.36 | knighttemplar | it should work with woody , |
| 11:55.43 | liable | knighttemplar: you are using a newer kernel with the old fucking packages for it.. |
| 11:55.43 | Guerin | knighttemplar: NO IT SHOULD NOT |
| 11:55.48 | Guerin | fucking upgrade |
| 11:55.52 | liable | knighttemplar: you moron |
| 11:55.52 | J_P | Guerin: what you recommend xen or qemu ? |
| 11:55.58 | Guerin | do it now and stop causing trouble |
| 11:56.14 | Subvertir | firegl is a pain in my balls |
| 11:56.30 | knighttemplar | guerin: why , isn't there any support anymore ? |
| 11:56.30 | Subvertir | why can't ATI get with the fucking program? =( |
| 11:56.32 | Guerin | J_P: having never used xen, and having used qemu only once, I can't recommend anything other than 'do your own research' |
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| 11:56.41 | J_P | ok |
| 11:56.43 | crashbg | knighttemplar, now after sarge is stable there is absolutelly no reason to stuck with woody |
| 11:56.52 | Guerin | knighttemplar: woody is supported. Mixed woody and othershit is not, and never was. |
| 11:56.55 | crashbg | especially when u need 2.6 kernel |
| 11:57.17 | knighttemplar | i will think of it |
| 11:57.24 | Guerin | knighttemplar: since woody was released before 2.6 kernels, it's no fucking surprise that they don't work together. |
| 11:57.28 | liable | *plonk* |
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| 11:57.35 | liable | fuck sakes |
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| 11:57.41 | Guerin | knighttemplar: thinking ... that's something you should do either more or less of. |
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| 11:57.56 | liable | knighttemplar: I sent that factoid to you twice.. |
| 11:58.09 | Guerin | it's ok |
| 11:58.10 | knighttemplar | guerin : why the fuck you suddenly become so rude ? |
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| 11:58.21 | Guerin | if he keeps on this way he'll piss off an op and be banned |
| 11:58.44 | knighttemplar | i know i told you i didn't see any reason why i should do it if everything was working ok |
| 11:58.47 | Evaso | anybody had got problem with keyboard xorg and gnome 2.10? |
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| 11:58.58 | Guerin | knighttemplar: is everything working ok? |
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| 11:59.19 | Guerin | Evaso: gnome should have nothing to do with your keyboard - it should be all X |
| 11:59.34 | knighttemplar | Guerin: why would u ban me ? and yes so it seems , except for the problem you were trying to help me solve |
| 11:59.51 | AlphaUser | Guerin- Seems to have worked... Thanks a bunch ;) |
| 11:59.52 | Evaso | Guerin: when gnome load give me some error message about keyboard |
| 11:59.53 | knighttemplar | Guerin: but instead called me a moron , and that's not a way ro help |
| 11:59.57 | Subvertir | Can someone paste a working XF86Config-4 to pastebin? |
| 12:00.04 | dondelelcaro | knighttemplar: mixing woody and sarge is not a sane idea unless you have backports of specific packages. |
| 12:00.17 | AlphaUser | Guerin- Wow you're getting bombed with messages... hehe |
| 12:00.21 | Guerin | knighttemplar: if everything's working fine, why are you thinking about upgrading kernel series? If everything's working fine, why's there ANY problem. If everything's fine, go have a beer and put your feet up. |
| 12:00.21 | streuner | Subvertir: what videocard do you have? |
| 12:00.21 | nerdy2 | Evaso: would this be about the xkb config |
| 12:00.21 | dondelelcaro | knighttemplar: drop the "people called be a moron" think already, please. |
| 12:00.26 | liable | knighttemplar: btw, *I* called you a moron. |
| 12:00.28 | dondelelcaro | s/think/thing/ |
| 12:00.38 | dondelelcaro | liable: and if someone bothers you, use /ignore |
| 12:00.54 | Evaso | nerdy2: probably |
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| 12:01.00 | knighttemplar | liable: i know i meant generally i meant by you both of you :) |
| 12:01.03 | Guerin | Subvertir: no. /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 12:01.19 | nerdy2 | evaso, i got that at one point in time, but not recently i think |
| 12:01.22 | AlphaUser | knighttemplar- If it's not broken, don't fix it. That's the government's job-- Bumper sticker. |
| 12:01.31 | Guerin | well, I'm happy to call you a moron now if it'll make you feel justified in your whining |
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| 12:01.38 | jessiejames | hey, i work for the govt |
| 12:01.45 | AlphaUser | jessiejames- Sorry to hear it :D |
| 12:01.47 | jessiejames | but the truth hurts |
| 12:01.49 | Evaso | with xfree all works right the problem begin with xorg in sid |
| 12:01.57 | knighttemplar | guerin: i did the upgrade thingy , because first it wasn't supporting the alsaconf , and then because of the pwr mgmnt |
| 12:01.58 | Ronin | jessiejames: so do i but dont spread that around |
| 12:02.05 | dondelelcaro | Evaso: so figure out what is going wrong and file bugs. |
| 12:02.06 | Guerin | Evaso: why are you using sid if you can't fix shit when it breaks? |
| 12:02.06 | jessiejames | just on the academic side.... |
| 12:02.15 | AlphaUser | jessiejames- That's what they all say. |
| 12:02.28 | Evaso | Guerin: for discovering shit |
| 12:02.36 | Guerin | knighttemplar: ok, so there is a problem. Upgrade to sarge, that might help fix it, and/or mitigate some things. |
| 12:02.39 | jessiejames | most of what i do is watch students break sh!t |
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| 12:02.42 | Evaso | nice ambient here, really |
| 12:02.50 | knighttemplar | guerin: how long is it going to take ? |
| 12:02.55 | Guerin | Evaso: well, i guess you've discovered yourself some shit. What does the BTS say? |
| 12:03.05 | Guerin | knighttemplar: |<---------->| this long (not to scale) |
| 12:03.08 | CrystalXX | hello, sorry to bother here, does anyone know how to find out which version of Debian my webhosting company installed on my server (I can access the server via SSH)? |
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| 12:03.12 | Subvertir | ah there we go |
| 12:03.16 | AlphaUser | hahaha |
| 12:03.17 | Subvertir | X is so cute |
| 12:03.24 | streuner | Subvertir: what videocard do you have? |
| 12:03.26 | ethics | guerin LOL |
| 12:03.28 | AlphaUser | Guerin is a riot |
| 12:03.28 | knighttemplar | guerin: oh sarcasm ? eh , come on give me an expected time |
| 12:03.36 | dondelelcaro | CrystalXX: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:03.38 | liable | CrystalXX: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:03.40 | knighttemplar | Guerin: how hard is that |
| 12:03.43 | AlphaUser | "i guess you discovered yourself some shit." HAHAHA |
| 12:03.43 | Guerin | CrystalXX: cat /etc/debian/version ; compare version of key packages (libc6, apache, etc) to packages.debian.org |
| 12:03.44 | CrystalXX | thanks ill try that |
| 12:03.44 | liable | !loose me |
| 12:03.45 | dpkg | You lose liable! [and liable can't spell, either.] |
| 12:03.49 | jessiejames | Subvertir: I agree, nothing like making things pretty than they really are...much like hollywood |
| 12:03.50 | nerdy2 | Evaso: i think that one might've been fixed a while ago, check google :) |
| 12:03.52 | liable | hah |
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| 12:04.28 | Guerin | knighttemplar: how the fuck should I know what you have installed, where your nearest mirror is, how fast your hardware and internet connection are, and whether you'll fuck it up by drooling into the keyboard during the install? |
| 12:04.29 | nerdy2 | Evaso: fixed upstream, i mean |
| 12:04.59 | AlphaUser | Guerin- Ask jessiejames, he works for the govt. They know everything. |
| 12:05.07 | jessiejames | Guerin: take it easy on the n00b dude...he doesnt mean it....lol |
| 12:05.15 | Ronin | AlphaUser: maybe but he'd have to kill you if he told you |
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| 12:05.18 | jessiejames | lol @ AlphaUser |
| 12:05.19 | AlphaUser | Guerin- See? Told you ;) |
| 12:05.23 | Guerin | AlphaUser: i used to work for a govt. and I can tell you as certainly as the day is long that that ain't true. |
| 12:05.26 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
| 12:05.29 | robbie_ | hi, when OpenOffice.org is printing (I beleive it converts images to postscript) the image of my Business Card (which was inserted into the document as a .png file done in GIMP) is not very high quality, and the text is grainy. Is there any way around this? I know postscript is the problem as GIMP does the same thing when I save the image as .ps and view it. Fonts covert to .ps and print fine |
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| 12:06.04 | knighttemplar | guerin: lol , nevermind then , the thing is i don't wanna lose my time upgrading if it isn't going to solve me problems right ? , and then i would have to format the disk and start all over this shit again |
| 12:06.25 | dondelelcaro | knighttemplar: what exactly is the problem, anyway? |
| 12:06.28 | AlphaUser | knighttemplar- No, if you upgraded and it didn't help, you'd be where you are now... |
| 12:06.42 | jessiejames | which is... |
| 12:06.48 | TBBle | Except with a more consistent system. |
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| 12:07.03 | jessiejames | up a creek without a paddle |
| 12:07.29 | CrystalXX | there |
| 12:07.32 | AlphaUser | knighttemplar- *ALMOST* everything is fixable... within reason... chown -R /* is basically the worst thing you can do, that's still fixable. |
| 12:07.33 | CrystalXX | there's not /etc/debian/ |
| 12:07.40 | CrystalXX | no such folder |
| 12:07.47 | AlphaUser | knighttemplar- Not that I would recommend fixing that. |
| 12:07.51 | CrystalXX | any other way to find out which version it is? |
| 12:07.54 | knighttemplar | AlphaUser: i don't think so , probably rubbin it in his face , either way ,im comfortable with my version |
| 12:07.55 | TBBle | /etc/debian_version rather |
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| 12:08.03 | liable | CrystalXX: /etc/debian_version |
| 12:08.11 | CrystalXX | no, nothing which starts with debian... |
| 12:08.15 | liable | sheesh, I lose again |
| 12:08.21 | streuner | knighttemplar: CAN YOU answering people's questions? |
| 12:08.35 | knighttemplar | AlphaUser: and the prob seemed to be solved, but still i want it to support the other stuff as welll , if i need to use it |
| 12:08.37 | jessiejames | knighttemplar - dont listen to Alpha: chown -R /* nobody |
| 12:08.38 | liable | CrystalXX: maybe you arent running debian? :P |
| 12:08.42 | AlphaUser | knighttemplar- Some of us still don't know what's broken... though I'm sure Guerin sufficiently answered your question. If you'd care to repost, maybe someone has a different persepctive. |
| 12:08.43 | jessiejames | then give me your IP |
| 12:08.46 | CrystalXX | yes i am |
| 12:08.48 | streuner | knighttemplar: WHAT'S the _EXACT_ problem? |
| 12:09.10 | CrystalXX | it is debian i know that from some strings on the server |
| 12:09.14 | AlphaUser | jessiejames- >.> |
| 12:09.16 | jessiejames | CrystalXX: how sure are you |
| 12:09.23 | CrystalXX | 100% |
| 12:09.30 | CrystalXX | i asked them to install debian |
| 12:09.31 | knighttemplar | the problem is solved |
| 12:09.32 | CrystalXX | they did |
| 12:09.40 | knighttemplar | i don't even understand what's the problem here |
| 12:09.46 | jessiejames | AlphaUser: told you it would work |
| 12:09.47 | TBBle | CrystalXX: dpkg -l base-config ? |
| 12:09.48 | CrystalXX | i need to verify it is the latest stable version |
| 12:09.54 | AlphaUser | CrystalXX- There's always the test... apt-get moo |
| 12:10.02 | CrystalXX | ill try that |
| 12:10.16 | TBBle | CrystalXX: Instal apt-show-versions, make sure your sources.list has stable in it, and see if apt-show-versions agrees you're on stable. |
| 12:10.18 | knighttemplar | and all the n00b calling thing , it's like 6 am , and i know that when you ask me to describe the problem i do it vaguely and im sorry |
| 12:10.48 | jessiejames | knighttemplar: you'll sleep enough when youre dead |
| 12:10.53 | Guerin | knighttemplar: dude, you have mixed woody and something else. |
| 12:10.55 | knighttemplar | lol |
| 12:11.07 | jessiejames | knighttemplar: thats what ecstacy and coffee is for |
| 12:11.18 | Guerin | knighttemplar: your path to fixing this machine starts when it's all one distribution - sarge being the best bet |
| 12:11.21 | Guerin | now, get to it |
| 12:11.29 | jessiejames | chop chop |
| 12:11.32 | ircdevil | dpkg tell knighttemplar about sicco |
| 12:11.46 | CrystalXX | ii base-config 2.53.10 Debian base system configurator |
| 12:11.50 | jessiejames | ircdevil: your fingers broken? |
| 12:11.51 | knighttemplar | guerin: im gona do it then |
| 12:11.54 | jessiejames | lol |
| 12:12.01 | AlphaUser | knighttemplar- there's no way to go backwards... if you upgraded something and broke it, likely the best fix is a full upgrade, however reluctant you are. |
| 12:12.02 | knighttemplar | i just don't want tp be losing my time all day |
| 12:12.21 | AlphaUser | knighttemplar- The time you spent here would have been a good chunk of getting it started. |
| 12:12.23 | streuner | knighttemplar: You are wasting our time |
| 12:12.28 | jessiejames | knighttemplar: dont worry, LOTR can wait |
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| 12:12.30 | ircdevil | jessiejames: should they be? |
| 12:12.34 | CrystalXX | yes it is debian |
| 12:12.42 | streuner | knighttemplar: You don't even if you have a problem or not |
| 12:12.44 | jessiejames | ircdevil: just kidding dude |
| 12:12.45 | AlphaUser | CrystalXX- Did you "apt-get moo"? |
| 12:12.47 | TBBle | CrystalXX: Good. Now do the apt-show-versions and see if you're on stable. |
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| 12:13.04 | knighttemplar | streuner: HOw can i be losing your time ? |
| 12:13.17 | liable | 11:11 < abrotman> !tell knighttemplar about woody->sarge |
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| 12:13.24 | AlphaUser | knighttemplar- ...wasting... |
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| 12:13.28 | jessiejames | lol @ liable |
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| 12:13.36 | knighttemplar | jessiejames: it's not LOTR is harry potter is coming out tomorrow |
| 12:13.38 | ircdevil | heh |
| 12:13.39 | CrystalXX | TBBle: apt-show-versions is a command? |
| 12:13.42 | streuner | knighttemplar: Ask a specific question, we can help you then - otherwise you wasting yours and our time |
| 12:13.47 | TBBle | You have to install it. |
| 12:13.48 | liable | 22:11 < knighttemplar> i just don't want tp be losing my time all day |
| 12:13.53 | TBBle | Possibly apt-showversions. |
| 12:13.55 | jessiejames | knighttemplar: oh your an even bigger n00b than i previously thought |
| 12:13.58 | TBBle | Or some variation. |
| 12:14.07 | ircdevil | liable: heh |
| 12:14.28 | TBBle | Wait, someone told about upgrading to Sarge 11 hours ago? |
| 12:14.30 | liable | ircdevil: plus the two times I told him.. |
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| 12:14.36 | knighttemplar | liable: lol , yeah dude and he told me to get a kernel i did , didnt solve the matter if you gonna be posting something post the whole conversation |
| 12:14.39 | TBBle | (Sans time difference, of course) |
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| 12:14.42 | ircdevil | liable: incredible |
| 12:14.51 | ircdevil | !moron knighttemplar |
| 12:14.52 | dpkg | knighttemplar: You are moron #87 |
| 12:15.06 | knighttemplar | lol , oh my |
| 12:15.07 | AlphaUser | CrystalXX- I don't have that one |
| 12:15.10 | knighttemplar | this is just funny |
| 12:15.16 | ethics | they reset the counnter? |
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| 12:15.21 | knighttemplar | i haven't been here all day , |
| 12:15.23 | liable | knighttemplar: dude, you installed a kernel, you didnt update the rest of the fucking system |
| 12:15.24 | jessiejames | liable gets the obliviously obvious knucklehead report award of the day |
| 12:15.27 | TBBle | ethics: Prolly clocked it. |
| 12:15.41 | streuner | knighttemplar: So what's the 'kernel-thingie' you thought it would solve a problem? |
| 12:15.44 | knighttemplar | liable: dude i was talking to abrotman , and he told me to do that , and then i left |
| 12:15.46 | liable | jessiejames: ?? |
| 12:15.50 | kyle_ | knighttemplar, private message me please. |
| 12:15.52 | knighttemplar | then i came back |
| 12:15.55 | CrystalXX | AlphaUser: what dont u have? |
| 12:16.05 | ethics | yay someone else who usesprolly....prolly coincidence |
| 12:16.05 | jessiejames | liable: for the 11:11 -> 22:11 thing |
| 12:16.08 | simonrvn | this is fucking crap |
| 12:16.13 | crashbg | Guerin, is this correct: rsync -avHx --delete / /newsys2/root |
| 12:16.14 | kyle_ | uh |
| 12:16.22 | AlphaUser | CrystalXX- alias apt-show-versions='apt-get moo'? ;) |
| 12:16.28 | AlphaUser | CrystalXX- |
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| 12:16.31 | TBBle | Hehe. |
| 12:16.31 | kyle_ | simonrvn, what is crap? |
| 12:16.33 | jessiejames | crashbg: man rsync |
| 12:16.37 | AlphaUser | CrystalXX- I don't have apt-show-versions either, is what I meant. |
| 12:16.40 | TBBle | >_< apt-cache search apt show version |
| 12:16.46 | simonrvn | issues with the ircd and my client |
| 12:16.51 | kyle_ | ah |
| 12:16.53 | CrystalXX | why isnt there some unified "version" command on linux? |
| 12:16.53 | kyle_ | ok |
| 12:16.57 | Guerin | crashbg: don't use --delete |
| 12:17.05 | jessiejames | and i would highly recommend transferring before deleting |
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| 12:17.14 | simonrvn | kronbluth behaves erractically, and i don't seem to properly connect to others |
| 12:17.18 | simonrvn | korn* |
| 12:17.19 | crashbg | ok ;) |
| 12:17.23 | raf256 | should I install shorewall? it will work instead of my iptables (I start my script by "up" in etc/network/interfaces) - or can I disable shorewall (rcconf?) and leave my own scripts until I will configure shorewall? |
| 12:17.32 | Guerin | crashbg: use --exclude=/something --exclude=/something-else |
| 12:17.33 | ircdevil | raf256: yes |
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| 12:17.41 | kyle_ | uh..... |
| 12:17.45 | TBBle | CrystalXX: Because each package has its own version, and a set of dependancies to indicate what other versions of packages they work with. There's not unified "version" apart from when someone like Debian labels a release. apt-show-versions will tell you if what you have belongs to that release. |
| 12:17.46 | crashbg | yea, was going to exclude those :) |
| 12:17.59 | simonrvn | raf256: it doesn't work instead of, it uses iptables. a little like apt-get and dpkg. first is the front-end, the other the backend |
| 12:18.11 | ircdevil | raf256: install showewall, configure it, enable (that is the way it goes) |
| 12:18.19 | CrystalXX | well version could be a frontend to a complex distro-dependent report |
| 12:18.25 | raf256 | simonrvn: ok, thnx. by default shorewall after isntalation does nothing (til enabled) right? |
| 12:18.32 | knighttemplar | anyways , thanks for really nothing , all i heard was blablabla im a dirty tramp . :) , the truth is all i read was update to sarge , even from ppl who didn't know the problem , then i don't get the whole point of asking here and that sucks |
| 12:18.34 | TBBle | CrystalXX: We've got on. apt-show-versions. |
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| 12:18.42 | kbrooks | okay |
| 12:18.45 | kbrooks | happy now |
| 12:18.48 | CrystalXX | theres no apt-show-versions |
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| 12:19.16 | simonrvn | this is getting fucking old |
| 12:19.18 | TBBle | CrystalXX: It's here, and I've been using it since before sarge released. Maybe you're on oldstable? |
| 12:19.20 | ethics | CrystalXX, uname -r pls |
| 12:19.23 | jessiejames | knighttemplar: the hard fact is that you will prbly have to upgrade...it happens. and you cannot take anything anyone says in irc personally |
| 12:19.28 | knighttemplar | anyways thanks liable to be annoyed all day |
| 12:19.29 | AlphaUser | CrystalXX- "apt-cache show apt version" |
| 12:19.29 | ircdevil | dpkg be like mwilson |
| 12:19.32 | stew | !installit |
| 12:19.32 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 12:19.35 | knighttemplar | and trying to help me |
| 12:19.37 | TBBle | CrystalXX: Look up your base-config version on packages.debian.org, see if it matches. |
| 12:19.54 | stew | CrystalXX: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:20.02 | kbrooks | knighttemplar, /query kbrooks |
| 12:20.03 | raf256 | !wayttd CrystalXX |
| 12:20.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, CrystalXX? |
| 12:20.24 | stew | raf256: uh i just said that |
| 12:20.30 | CrystalXX | Version: 0.5.28.6 |
| 12:20.30 | CrystalXX | Replaces: libapt-pkg-doc (<< 0.3.7), libapt-pkg-dev (<< 0.3.7) |
| 12:20.30 | CrystalXX | Provides: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 |
| 12:20.30 | CrystalXX | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1) |
| 12:20.30 | CrystalXX | Suggests: aptitude | synaptic | gnome-apt | wajig, dpkg-dev, apt-doc |
| 12:20.31 | CrystalXX | Filename: pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.5.28.6_i386.deb |
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| 12:20.40 | raf256 | stew: but using boot is l337er |
| 12:21.06 | kbrooks | bbl |
| 12:21.08 | raf256 | !nickometer rafailow |
| 12:21.08 | dpkg | 'rafailow' is 0.000% lame, raf256 |
| 12:21.14 | raf256 | !nickometer raf256 |
| 12:21.18 | stew | raf256: stop |
| 12:21.20 | TBBle | Well, that solved that one, for certain loose definitions of 'solved'. |
| 12:21.22 | raf256 | sorry, wrong key |
| 12:21.44 | knighttemplar | jessiejames: i don't take it personally dude , but it annoyes me i don't wanna be losing my time , if insread of an aswer im getting flame and stupid stuff , like the past 5 minutes , i came here to listen and try to get my stuff worked up , and instead i got nothing , |
| 12:22.10 | knighttemplar | liable: thanks anyways for everyrthing |
| 12:22.30 | liable | knighttemplar: sheesh, dude, I spent a good hour with you, only to find, that you dont follow the advise you are given.... |
| 12:22.50 | ethics | knight they said you need 2.6 kernel ..they then told you to upgrade to a later release with 2.6 support....thats what you need to do...it's advice if you dont take it your problem.. |
| 12:23.15 | ethics | most of the time the right answer is the one you hear most.... |
| 12:23.26 | knighttemplar | liable: as you said , it was an advice. i wanted to know if there was any other way to get past the problem |
| 12:23.29 | crashbg | thanks guys, the rsync process began |
| 12:23.38 | liable | bah |
| 12:24.11 | ethics | knight and the answer was not really as its not certain shit will work accros versions..its not how it's designed |
| 12:24.18 | knighttemplar | luable: eithere way thanks , |
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| 12:25.19 | knighttemplar | ethics: dude either way im not fighting for this , i don't care i guess ill just switch distro , |
| 12:25.23 | zth_ | hmm... how do i set a folders permissions to let all users write to but only root delete stuff? using chmod... |
| 12:25.52 | ethics | knighttemplar, like they are suggesting....sarge is newer than woody |
| 12:25.57 | crashbg | zth_, cant |
| 12:25.58 | AlphaUser | zth_- um... why? |
| 12:26.04 | crashbg | zth_, write mean delete also |
| 12:26.09 | simonrvn | hopefully this will be stable... |
| 12:26.11 | knighttemplar | ethics: i know |
| 12:26.11 | simonrvn | yeh, sendq's dropping |
| 12:26.33 | ethics | knighttemplar, so see if it works after the upgrade |
| 12:26.40 | zth_ | hmm... i need it for my ftp, it should be a upload only folder, you can upload but not delete anything |
| 12:26.58 | AlphaUser | zth_- I think those permissions are handled in the daemon |
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| 12:27.03 | knighttemplar | i don;t wanna waste time , maybe ill do it tomorrow , thanks and see ya |
| 12:27.06 | crashbg | oh, zth_ then the ftp server has to manage the permissions |
| 12:27.14 | crashbg | go to the manpage of the ftp server |
| 12:27.17 | zth_ | okay, i use proftpd, so what do i dp? |
| 12:27.18 | zth_ | do* |
| 12:27.25 | AlphaUser | zth_- man proftpd |
| 12:27.27 | knighttemplar | and please remove me from the stupid n00b thingy |
| 12:27.28 | crashbg | :) |
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| 12:28.01 | knighttemplar | see ya everybody , have a good day |
| 12:28.12 | knighttemplar | 8-) |
| 12:28.17 | LandSlide | i just got myself a quad ppro 200... 2gb ram... Is this going to run debian well? |
| 12:28.23 | ethics | knighttemplar, we rfid noobs dont worry 8) |
| 12:28.24 | AlphaUser | omgz0r what a cool smiley face |
| 12:28.28 | crashbg | LandSlide, no |
| 12:28.31 | crashbg | :) |
| 12:28.33 | jharrisonwk | LandSlide: why not? |
| 12:28.34 | LandSlide | no? :( |
| 12:28.35 | crashbg | its gonna fly man |
| 12:28.41 | crashbg | ;) |
| 12:28.45 | knighttemplar | rfid? |
| 12:28.47 | LandSlide | will it compare with a modern p3 ? |
| 12:28.50 | jharrisonwk | I dont know about fly |
| 12:29.00 | jharrisonwk | but it will run well |
| 12:29.03 | LandSlide | i got it for 50 bucks on ebay (aussie dollars) |
| 12:29.15 | ethics | knight radio frequency id tags...like gps locators |
| 12:29.25 | knighttemplar | lol ok |
| 12:29.31 | crashbg | LandSlide, 4xppro200 is nice |
| 12:29.33 | knighttemplar | see ya |
| 12:29.38 | kbrooks | cya |
| 12:29.58 | stew | LandSlide: it will run debian well, it will be slower than a modern p3 |
| 12:30.09 | knighttemplar | still remove me from that stupid list , it's just unfair , |
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| 12:30.15 | liable | no |
| 12:30.20 | jharrisonwk | LandSlide: 4-way opteron with 32GB ram is nicer |
| 12:30.31 | AlphaUser | jharrisonwk- *drool* |
| 12:30.35 | LandSlide | darn. ok... should be ok for a webserver/source code repository. |
| 12:30.39 | kbrooks | liable, no what? |
| 12:30.44 | kbrooks | heh, LandSlide |
| 12:30.49 | AlphaUser | jharrisonwk- Yeah but then you have the task of challenging all that memory ;) |
| 12:30.50 | jharrisonwk | LandSlide: sure it will run well |
| 12:30.51 | TBBle | jharrisonwk: I'll give you _twice_ what LandSlide paid for his. |
| 12:30.55 | kbrooks | i want to do some work |
| 12:30.57 | LandSlide | sweet... |
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| 12:31.06 | jharrisonwk | AlphaUser: yes |
| 12:31.11 | jharrisonwk | AlphaUser: kernel compile works well |
| 12:31.18 | AlphaUser | jharrisonwk- hehe hardly :) |
| 12:31.25 | jharrisonwk | AlphaUser: takes 4 minutes and 30 seconds |
| 12:31.32 | AlphaUser | jharrisonwk- :o |
| 12:31.37 | liable | kernel compile? |
| 12:31.46 | jharrisonwk | sure |
| 12:31.49 | liable | sheeeit |
| 12:31.50 | jharrisonwk | kernel compile |
| 12:32.28 | jessiejames | would anyone like to buy a bridge in the sahara desert? |
| 12:32.33 | AlphaUser | I have a p66... it takes like...120 times that long ;) |
| 12:32.36 | liable | actually I must time it on my box... about ten I reckon and its only a 1.5 |
| 12:32.45 | AlphaUser | that's... not a machine I use regularly. |
| 12:33.15 | crashbg | AlphaUser, u can always use distcc |
| 12:33.40 | AlphaUser | crashbg- I just avoid that machine... coffee table. |
| 12:33.41 | simonrvn | mwilson: you speak complete and utter rubbish. once you get your head out of your ass, maybe we can talk sense. i quote myself: "uh, i've used aptitude for months, never saw it break anything. i've used it to *resolve* dep loops even, or downgrade stuff... what is his problem? incompetency?" |
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| 12:34.00 | tarzeau | antgel: about what? |
| 12:34.25 | AlphaUser | simonrvn- When did mwilson last say anything? heh |
| 12:34.31 | simonrvn | debian-user |
| 12:34.48 | zth_ | ok i've got a new problem, my friend tries to log into my ftp server but he gets "directory listing failed" |
| 12:34.52 | crashbg | AlphaUser, u can use it as terminal also, via xdm or something, then its just like normal pc :) |
| 12:35.01 | zth_ | i don't when i try to access the ftp from my internal network |
| 12:35.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping |
| 12:35.09 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: pong |
| 12:35.14 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: try it yet? |
| 12:35.15 | AlphaUser | crashbg- hehe... I've never REALLY messed with that much |
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| 12:35.35 | AlphaUser | crashbg- except that thing I did in my car... which was cool... but I deserve some tape on my glasses for it. |
| 12:35.59 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i was like walking kilometers, and in zurich ufopark eating over noon |
| 12:35.59 | liable | simonrvn: link? |
| 12:36.03 | crashbg | AlphaUser, what did u do |
| 12:36.10 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i will. i will. it's so hot. have patience |
| 12:36.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: its hot here too |
| 12:36.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: what about the hurricane in your sky? |
| 12:36.21 | simonrvn | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/206501 |
| 12:36.25 | AlphaUser | crashbg- server in the trunk, lappy in the passenger seat... with a remote X session running to the machine in the trunk, xmms playing some tunes in my car |
| 12:36.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but I am in 60 F data centre :) |
| 12:36.38 | AlphaUser | crashbg- I had it before all the MP3 stuff came out for cars... it was pretty cool :) |
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| 12:36.46 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hurricane went passed us and hit cuba/jamaica |
| 12:37.01 | AlphaUser | crashbg- But who networks computers... in their car? hehe |
| 12:37.04 | stew | jharrisonwk: sounds nice, i've been working in a 80F office |
| 12:37.09 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: there is a new one now going to the south of us. |
| 12:37.11 | jharrisonwk | stew: ew |
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| 12:37.27 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i got a refreshing bottle from the lil` shop |
| 12:37.30 | crashbg | AlphaUser, but the harddrives in cars isnt good idea |
| 12:37.37 | stew | jharrisonwk: clients are having issues with their AC, i think it actually hit 85 yesterday |
| 12:37.40 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i love those bottles that have like that large nipple to drink from. heh |
| 12:37.46 | AlphaUser | crashbg- Well I started working on a suspension system for them |
| 12:37.47 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/120225.shtml?5day?large |
| 12:37.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hehe |
| 12:37.58 | crashbg | AlphaUser=maniac :) |
| 12:37.58 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you crazy turk |
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| 12:38.15 | AlphaUser | crashbg- I was going to put the power inverter, etc... in a custom sheetmetal box (computer guts too) |
| 12:38.38 | jharrisonwk | stew: thats not good |
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| 12:38.53 | jharrisonwk | stew: we do not tolerate heat in the data centre as you can imagine |
| 12:38.57 | AlphaUser | crashbg- just leave the necessary components exposed (sound, power for inverter, wire inverter and PC in the box)... |
| 12:39.32 | stew | jharrisonwk: they have a rack of machines there so they have one temporary ac unit just blowing cold air at the machines but the exhaust is in the room, just making the room warmer |
| 12:39.39 | AlphaUser | crashbg- I couldn't find any elastics that didn't wear out for the suspension... I had some drainpipe that a hard drive fit nice and snugly into... but no good way to suspend it |
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| 12:39.53 | AlphaUser | crashbg- I'm a programmer, not an engineer... it didn't go well :( |
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| 12:40.13 | kombi | how do I tell which flavor I'm on? |
| 12:40.14 | jharrisonwk | stew: not good |
| 12:40.34 | greycat | kombi: neopolitan |
| 12:40.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: how is the park |
| 12:40.54 | simonrvn | kombi: strawberry |
| 12:40.58 | crashbg | AlphaUser, water! |
| 12:41.00 | liable | mmmm, neopolitan |
| 12:41.24 | AlphaUser | crashbg- haha |
| 12:41.28 | liable | we're talking about ice cream right? |
| 12:41.30 | kombi | greycat, simonrvn: baccio, if you ask me ;), what was the command though? |
| 12:41.31 | simonrvn | bawdy and funny coyote story: google for coyote and the strawberry |
| 12:41.42 | yoo | Hi all ! |
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| 12:41.46 | greycat | kombi: explain what you mean by "flavor" |
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| 12:41.47 | AlphaUser | crashbg- ... or magma... hmm. |
| 12:42.07 | AlphaUser | kombi- uname -a, maybe? |
| 12:42.11 | liable | !hi yoo |
| 12:42.11 | dpkg | Many greetings, yoo, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
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| 12:42.39 | kos_tom | ethics: now I have a problem with creating a pbuilder environnement for SID |
| 12:42.44 | kombi | greycat: sorry, I mean debian version, such as sarge, woody etc.. |
| 12:42.45 | kos_tom | eggy: Couldn't find these debs: 0 |
| 12:42.47 | greycat | !version |
| 12:42.47 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 12:42.59 | kombi | dpkg: thank you! |
| 12:43.16 | yoo | dpkg tell also poem :) |
| 12:43.21 | AlphaUser | greycat- I'm not sure if they know they're running debian... heh |
| 12:43.31 | liable | what happened to de-nada? |
| 12:43.33 | greycat | AlphaUser: cat /etc/debian_version should clear that up. |
| 12:43.41 | AlphaUser | greycat- hehe |
| 12:43.45 | tarzeau | hi greycat |
| 12:43.46 | liable | dpkg is a bot... |
| 12:43.48 | greycat | hello |
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| 12:43.52 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: the park is beautiful wait i got photos i can find |
| 12:43.55 | AlphaUser | greycat- at least we'll know if we're responsible for answering ;) |
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| 12:44.09 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it's funny it's called "technopark" and friends friend calls it "technoparty" LOL |
| 12:44.18 | crashbg | Guerin, rsync -avHx / /newsys/root/ --exclude=/tmp/ --exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/home/ --exclude=/win/ --exclude=/newsys |
| 12:44.20 | crashbg | :) |
| 12:44.22 | greycat | AlphaUser: indeed; I've used that very response as a litmus test for stealthy knoppix/corel/younameit users |
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| 12:44.29 | kombi | AlphaUser, greycat: That was exactly it, what is 3.0 in /etc/debian_version though? |
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| 12:44.39 | simonrvn | woody |
| 12:44.39 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: http://www.fleximation.com/profile/technopark.jpg |
| 12:44.43 | greycat | not to mention gentoo, slackware, fedora, and all the others that come crawling in here for help because their own channels suck so much |
| 12:44.45 | kombi | oh,oh.. |
| 12:45.14 | kombi | greycat: no,no, I am a true debian lover, just got so many boxes running it.. |
| 12:45.27 | greycat | 3.0 is woody |
| 12:45.29 | crashbg | i have 4 :) |
| 12:45.43 | crashbg | with debian and nothing else |
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| 12:45.57 | kombi | that means I am in version hell again, need to install curl > 7.13 on it.. |
| 12:46.05 | stew | greycat: how could you tell knoppix from debian only looking at debian_version? or did i miss something? |
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| 12:46.21 | kos_tom | nobody has an idea for the "E: Couldn't find these debs: 0" while creating a pbuilder environnement for SID ? |
| 12:46.22 | greycat | stew: well, it mostly applied to fedora... |
| 12:46.36 | kombi | I'm afraid that means sacrilegious compiling from source again.. |
| 12:46.41 | greycat | stew: I'm not even sure whether knoppix has that file, or what they put in it |
| 12:46.44 | stew | kombi: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 12:47.00 | liable | stew: does knoppix have that? |
| 12:47.04 | stew | greycat: they do, it says "3.1" or "testing/unstable" depending on knoppix version |
| 12:47.08 | kombi | stew: you mean apt-get dist_upgrade? |
| 12:47.09 | kl12 | hi, i mount a hard disk, but i think i just re mont the one it was allready mounted, cause is showing 52 gb and the newone is 120 gb :/ what can be rong? |
| 12:47.19 | stew | kombi: no, i mean aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 12:47.46 | kombi | stew: I must confess I am a little scared to do that on a production box |
| 12:47.48 | AlphaUser | hmm... on the package of sudafed, it says "18 dozes 1 pill/dose"... yet when you look in the box, the perferations are every TWO pills... I wonder if they're implying something... Hmm... |
| 12:48.08 | crashbg | its apt-get update |
| 12:48.11 | crashbg | apt-get upgrade |
| 12:48.15 | crashbg | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:48.17 | crashbg | funally |
| 12:48.18 | greycat | crashbg: for what? |
| 12:48.24 | liable | err |
| 12:48.25 | kombi | for me.. |
| 12:48.29 | crashbg | stew and kombi |
| 12:48.34 | stew | crashbg: wrong |
| 12:48.34 | greycat | that is NOT correct for woody->sarge |
| 12:48.40 | stew | crashbg: you didn't read the sarge release notes |
| 12:48.48 | greycat | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 12:48.48 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
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| 12:49.35 | kombi | dpgk: I got such a lot of stuff on that box, some of it hand compiled, I just fear I might go into dependence hell.. |
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| 12:49.55 | crashbg | greycat, i mean yea sources have to be changed before |
| 12:50.10 | greycat | crashbg: no, you must install aptitude FIRST, BEFORE changing the sources. |
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| 12:50.14 | liable | kombi: dpkg is a bot.... |
| 12:50.18 | AlphaUser | kombi- I'm sure you knew this, or read a couple people telling you... But 'dpkg' is a bot... |
| 12:50.20 | greycat | otherwise you'll end up changing them back, update again, then install aptitude, etc. |
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| 12:50.30 | stew | crashbg: you have to use aptitude not apt-get |
| 12:50.33 | crashbg | greycat, why i have to use aptitude |
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| 12:50.41 | kombi | AlphaUser: I just keep forgetting....;) lol |
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| 12:50.53 | liable | crashbg: just do it.. |
| 12:50.55 | stew | crashbg: read the list.debian.org posting in the factoid |
| 12:51.06 | crashbg | ok, didn't know this |
| 12:51.24 | kombi | still I am too chicken to do dare that.. |
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| 12:51.30 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.31 | crashbg | i use netinstall sarge however...but for old machines i will have this in mind |
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| 12:52.24 | liable | wtf, I just read a ubunto factoid, that says the ubuntu installer can resize ntfs??? |
| 12:52.35 | egg | crashbg, you might give stable a try |
| 12:52.37 | Zap-W | does the latest official kernel have support for reiserfs 4? |
| 12:52.44 | liable | Zap-W: no |
| 12:53.00 | kbrooks | liable, ubuntu uses d-i so d-i can resize ntfs |
| 12:53.03 | egg | yes |
| 12:53.07 | kbrooks | there's no "u-i" |
| 12:53.24 | liable | kbrooks: resize ntfs? |
| 12:53.25 | kbrooks | if there was..... |
| 12:53.31 | stew | kbrooks: i dunno if that logic is solid |
| 12:53.33 | kbrooks | would we support it? no |
| 12:53.35 | egg | what's ntfs? |
| 12:53.36 | Wyzard | liable: I've used it... it works |
| 12:53.41 | greycat | egg: microsoft filesystem |
| 12:53.45 | egg | ... |
| 12:53.59 | ethics | yes di resizes ntfs |
| 12:54.04 | greycat | there are actually two different versions of ntfs; the one in XP is subtly different from the one in 2k/NT |
| 12:54.05 | liable | Wyzard: you can actually 'resize' a ntfs partition? |
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| 12:54.11 | kbrooks | stew, my snapshot of the di doesnt even resize ntfs |
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| 12:54.13 | egg | Is ntfs a solid fs? |
| 12:54.27 | Wyzard | liable: Yes, you can. The actual tool to do it is called "ntfsresize", IIRC. |
| 12:54.28 | greycat | egg: it's closed-specifications. |
| 12:54.28 | kbrooks | stew, ubuntu's snapshot does |
| 12:54.29 | simonrvn | that's like asking if M$hit is secure |
| 12:54.35 | egg | oh |
| 12:54.35 | nyterukh | hello |
| 12:54.40 | ethics | yes for ms only...noone else can write to it...its black magic |
| 12:54.42 | greycat | egg: so the linux drivers for it are all reverse engineered and not trustworthy |
| 12:54.48 | kbrooks | stew: do you understand? :) |
| 12:55.06 | TBBle | It's solid in that if you drop it on your foot, it hurts. |
| 12:55.13 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 12:55.20 | simonrvn | esp. the HDD it's in =) |
| 12:55.23 | kbrooks | however, i could be wrong, stew |
| 12:55.24 | liable | holy shit, didnt know d-i could do that... |
| 12:55.37 | greycat | liable: me either; we have partition magic here, so I've just used that |
| 12:55.48 | stew | kbrooks: ok |
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| 12:56.07 | ethics | its sometimes scary the first windows scandisk tho...i dont trust it |
| 12:56.10 | nyterukh | hey does anyone know when the new kernal howto will be done? |
| 12:56.16 | Zap-W | when installing new packages i get this ":W ARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! " , - this is new never seen it before.. |
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| 12:56.21 | Invisible_Magi | which arch does one use for a AMD Sempron 2300+ |
| 12:56.28 | stew | Zap-W: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 12:56.34 | nyterukh | went to get it this morning..and they withdrew it saying a new one was being written |
| 12:56.37 | crashbg | Invisible_Magi, i386 and k7 |
| 12:56.41 | greycat | ethics: I always do a "chkdsk /f C:" and let it check itself on reboot before running partition magic. I've been bitten by corrupted file systems before. |
| 12:56.49 | crashbg | i mean k7 for kernel |
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| 12:57.08 | greycat | if the ntfs file system is corrupted and you tell PM to split it up, then it can get wedged in a state where you need an XP rescue disk |
| 12:57.23 | Markrian | Zap-W, the dpkg/apt you're using obviously now has package authentication |
| 12:57.36 | Invisible_Magi | crashbg: what if niether are listed? can I just manually edit the file and change to K7 ? --> example my new install of Deb when using synap to install apt-build it does not list i386, not K7 |
| 12:57.47 | greycat | !sempron |
| 12:57.47 | dpkg | sempron is, like, AMD's new (2004) budget line of 32-bit processors, to replace the Duron line. Sempron 2800+ and lower are socket A; 3100+ and higher are socket 754. See <k7>. a Thoroughbred core Athlon XP (k7) by a flashy name |
| 12:58.20 | crashbg | Invisible_Magi, apt-cache search kernel-image-*k7 or something |
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| 12:58.24 | ethics | i ban ntfs on most systems now...only our exchange box has it de to the damn db sizes |
| 12:58.36 | Invisible_Magi | crashbg: thanks =-) |
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| 12:59.15 | crashbg | Guerin, now after i transferred the partitions |
| 12:59.17 | greycat | Invisible_Magi: uh... in sarge, you want either "apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-k7" or "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7". Your choice. |
| 12:59.29 | Wyzard | ethics: For use by Windows, it's far better than FAT32 |
| 12:59.30 | crashbg | i edited /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 13:00.36 | ethics | yeah but recovery sucks and staff are losers who cant figure out a network drive...im fixing polocies atm annd mapping things etc.... |
| 13:00.37 | crashbg | and now what to do? manually run grub or? |
| 13:00.52 | ethics | just strarted fixing a crap network |
| 13:01.11 | liable | crashbg: you moved hard drives? |
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| 13:01.22 | ShiShi | hello all |
| 13:01.28 | crashbg | liable, u rsynced 2 hdds |
| 13:01.29 | greycat | crashbg: update-grub |
| 13:01.50 | ShiShi | can someone help me how to find what is the driver use by isicom.c please ? |
| 13:01.52 | cmihai | Know of any E17 debian packages ? |
| 13:01.54 | greycat | crashbg: but if grub isn't installed in the MBR at all, you should read /usr/share/doc/grub/* |
| 13:01.58 | liable | crashbg: yeah, you need to run gru |
| 13:01.59 | ShiShi | hello graycat , any idea ? :) |
| 13:02.01 | liable | b |
| 13:02.07 | greycat | !any idea |
| 13:02.08 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 rabid goats. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 13:02.48 | crashbg | i just fixed the fstab file |
| 13:02.53 | crashbg | and now will reboot |
| 13:03.03 | liable | no, dont do that. |
| 13:03.15 | crashbg | liable, ? |
| 13:03.27 | ShiShi | ok greycat .... |
| 13:03.27 | greycat | ShiShi: "isicom.c" is a string of letters and punctuation. semantically, it resembles a filename. if it is indeed a filename, then by tradition it should contain source code written in the C programming language. |
| 13:03.30 | liable | crashbg: you need grub on the mbr for it... |
| 13:03.31 | greycat | Does that help? |
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| 13:04.02 | crashbg | liable, can u help me with creating mbr on /dev/sda :) ? |
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| 13:04.14 | greycat | crashbg: read /usr/share/doc/grub/* |
| 13:04.23 | ShiShi | greycat, sorry but i tell you this cause when i try to compil any kernel source i have same error with this isicom.c |
| 13:04.24 | greycat | seriously. the README.Debian has explicit steps. |
| 13:04.33 | greycat | ShiShi: oh, it's part of a kernel? |
| 13:04.36 | greycat | which kernel? |
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| 13:04.37 | greycat | what error? |
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| 13:04.52 | ShiShi | greycat, i try a lot of kernel , 2.6.x |
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| 13:05.14 | stew | !wayc ShiShi |
| 13:05.16 | ShiShi | so i should tell you , kernel 2.4.27 which is installed with sarge is ok |
| 13:05.17 | macnamara | hi, I have no access to the partitions anymore, can someone help? |
| 13:05.18 | dpkg | ShiShi: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:05.26 | Wyzard | ShiShi: Are you aware that Debian provides compiled kernel packages so you usually don't need to compile a custom one? |
| 13:05.39 | ShiShi | stew, i try kernel-image but kernel panics :( |
| 13:05.58 | ShiShi | Wyzard, i need custom one this is my problem |
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| 13:06.12 | crashbg | grub-install /dev/sda :) |
| 13:06.15 | liable | macnamara: ermm, what did you do? re-install windows or something? |
| 13:06.26 | stew | crashbg: do you have a separate boot partition? |
| 13:06.30 | ShiShi | So exactly error is :/drivers/char/isicom.c:154:error: array type has incomplete element type |
| 13:06.35 | macnamara | liable: installed ext2 |
| 13:06.35 | crashbg | no stew just / :) |
| 13:06.39 | crashbg | dont need |
| 13:06.53 | xoz | ShiShi: what gcc version? |
| 13:06.57 | macnamara | from fs-driver.org |
| 13:07.02 | stew | ShiShi: are you sure your kernel panic wasn't because of a missing initrd? |
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| 13:07.08 | ShiShi | xoz, gcc 4.0.0.1 |
| 13:07.09 | Wyzard | ShiShi: Unless you understand why it's panicking and know that the custom kernel will do something different, your custom one will most likely panic too, for the same reason |
| 13:07.21 | liable | macnamara: ermm, your gonna have to explain a bit better |
| 13:07.27 | xoz | ShiShi: try 2.95 for the kernel |
| 13:07.44 | Wyzard | 3.3 works fine too |
| 13:07.55 | macnamara | liable: OK, with this driver you have access to xt2 partions when windows is running |
| 13:07.57 | liable | bleh, 4.0 works :P |
| 13:08.15 | zutt | salut a tous il y a t il des francais |
| 13:08.24 | ShiShi | zutt, oui moi :) |
| 13:08.28 | liable | macnamara: oh, sounds a bit funky... |
| 13:08.30 | xoz | ShiShi: the official compiler for the kernel is still 2.95 |
| 13:08.35 | ShiShi | xoz, every kernel source can't compil |
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| 13:08.46 | ShiShi | xoz, ah ok gcc version tou mean |
| 13:08.53 | xoz | ShiShi: yep |
| 13:08.59 | liable | xoz: you sure about that? |
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| 13:09.04 | macnamara | liable: I guess some files are gone or overwritten... |
| 13:09.15 | ShiShi | xoz, i try ....:/ |
| 13:09.25 | ethics | macnamara, thats sometimes untrustworty explore2fs is the best choice i believe author had something to do with the fs itself |
| 13:09.48 | liable | xoz: isnt that docs that badly need to be updated? |
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| 13:10.20 | macnamara | mount: wrong fs type, bad option. bad superblock on /dev/hda1 or too many mounted file systems |
| 13:10.34 | liable | xoz: I only remember, cause someone was talking about this the other day. |
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| 13:11.00 | ethics | macnamara, i have no experience with the issues only what i hear in chatrooms etc |
| 13:11.10 | error403 | can i ask something? is kde 3.4 EVER going to be in stable? |
| 13:11.11 | acksyn | #debian-br-cdd |
| 13:11.12 | macnamara | its ok |
| 13:11.14 | Solet-deb | shit i just had a power surge/outage and when i powered this machine back on my cpu temp is reading out at 132F for a 1.8 ghz p4.... |
| 13:11.18 | caphuso | error403: no |
| 13:11.30 | xoz | liable: 2.95 is still the preferred choice of kernel developers. i don't now. |
| 13:11.30 | stew | error403: when etch becomes stable |
| 13:11.35 | ethics | error403, no testing and next stable.... |
| 13:11.46 | caphuso | stew: i doubt that etch will become stable before KDE 3.5 gets in |
| 13:11.51 | caphuso | or even 4.0 |
| 13:11.53 | stew | error403: however by then kde 4 would probably be out or something |
| 13:11.54 | stew | yeah |
| 13:11.57 | error403 | has Stable debian support for KDE become non-existent? or is it just going to stay 3 versions behind? |
| 13:12.09 | ethics | error403, stable gets no version changes just security fixes |
| 13:12.21 | caphuso | error403: it's working the same way it did the last 7 years |
| 13:12.22 | TBBle | error403: Stay three versions behind. That's what "stable" does. It stays stable. |
| 13:12.22 | error403 | right |
| 13:12.40 | liable | error403: debian is just trying to save you ram, by keeping behind :P |
| 13:12.44 | Solet-deb | crap this is way to hot for a p4 i'm gonna power down and let it cool off |
| 13:12.46 | Solet-deb | bbl |
| 13:12.50 | error403 | haha |
| 13:13.04 | error403 | Solet-deb, thats P4 for you - expensive heaters |
| 13:13.08 | error403 | and hes gone... damn |
| 13:13.09 | error403 | lol |
| 13:13.13 | macnamara | anyone else an idea to solve the issue? |
| 13:13.25 | TBBle | Move closer to the AP? |
| 13:13.26 | TBBle | Ooops |
| 13:13.35 | ethics | macnamara, fsck do anything? |
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| 13:13.39 | error403 | anyway, will installing KDE 3.4 from testing break Sarge ? |
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| 13:13.55 | greycat | probably. |
| 13:13.55 | error403 | is it even in testing yet? or experimental? |
| 13:13.58 | xoz | liable: as far as kernel compilation is concerned, it's bad idea to use latest compiler... its stability is not yet tested. |
| 13:14.10 | cmihai | Can anyone tell me of a repositry where I could find Enlightenment 17 packages? |
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| 13:14.32 | greycat | cmihai: if apt-get.org didn't know, then we won't. |
| 13:14.34 | liable | xoz: yes, but, its fun to see if it works.... and it does :P |
| 13:14.38 | ethics | error403, no but youl be upgrading alot so it would best to move all to testing....its how its intended |
| 13:14.53 | ShiShi | xoz, if i test and no change what should i do ? |
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| 13:14.55 | cmihai | Ok then, I guess I'll build it... hem. |
| 13:15.07 | ethics | error403, if testing was further away it would tho... |
| 13:15.16 | xoz | ShiShi: cut and paste the error in google search |
| 13:15.18 | yoo | cmihai, deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/ |
| 13:15.30 | liable | xoz: here anyway, with the first one, been updated twice, havent tried it since. |
| 13:15.30 | cmihai | Oh, cool. Thanks a lot yoo :) |
| 13:15.33 | ShiShi | xoz, i cut and past it in google already but nothing |
| 13:15.47 | xoz | !search google about /drivers/char/isicom.c:154:error: array type |
| 13:15.55 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for about /drivers/char/isicom.c:154:error: array type |
| 13:16.06 | ShiShi | xoz, my problem is , to understand why it stop with isicom.c compil |
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| 13:16.13 | xoz | !search google about /drivers/char/isicom.c |
| 13:16.20 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for about /drivers/char/isicom.c |
| 13:16.21 | greycat | "array type" what? |
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| 13:16.31 | liable | greycat: you get gcc-4.0 to compile 2.4 in the end? |
| 13:16.38 | kos_tom | new errors while creating pbuilder environnement for Sid: http://rafb.net/paste/results/xc1vnh13.html ;-( |
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| 13:17.09 | ShiShi | greycat, /drivers/char/isicom.c:154:error: array type has incomplete element type |
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| 13:17.10 | cire | I have corrected some errors in my dsdt. But still no entrys in "proc/acpi/fan". Windows has a tool by Sony which enables fan control. So, my conclusions are: either my dsdt is errorfree, but incomplete (missing fan entrys), or the fan isn't controlled by acpi. Do you know how I may figure this out? |
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| 13:17.18 | cire | system: Sony Vaio Z600lek |
| 13:17.19 | yoo | cmihai, de rien in french |
| 13:17.24 | greycat | liable: no, stopped trying immediately. |
| 13:17.30 | xoz | ShiShi: !search google about array type has incomplete element type |
| 13:17.30 | xoz | !search google about array type has incomplete element type |
| 13:17.32 | greycat | liable: just edited Makefile, told it to use gcc-3.3, and all was happy. |
| 13:17.33 | liable | oh |
| 13:17.35 | dpkg | Google says about array type has incomplete element type is at http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2005-03/msg00180.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa-packages/2005/03/msg00247.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2005/03/msg00111.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa-packages/2005/03/msg00240.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2005/03/msg00112.html |
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| 13:18.14 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.14 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:20.35 | greycat | first laptop for today is Sony Vaio. let's see... |
| 13:20.41 | TBBle | cire: If there's fan stuff in your DSDT, it's broken. Otherwise, it's not controlled by ACPI. (It may be controlled by a mechanism accessed via ACPI. Toshiba ACPI laptops do that) |
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| 13:21.07 | Dundermusen | Heya... What's the command for looking what kernel my sarge is having? |
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| 13:21.18 | Scognito | uname -a |
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| 13:21.31 | Dundermusen | thx |
| 13:21.57 | greycat | hmm.. he's running XP but it's a FAT32 file system |
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| 13:22.07 | Scognito | np |
| 13:22.17 | possie | i have a module which needs to be loaded during boot time, but it doesn't, even though i have a initrd, can i give a kernel paramater at boot time to force the loading of my module? |
| 13:22.25 | abrotman | greycat: isn't that a good thing ? |
| 13:22.37 | xoz | ShiShi: seems it is a gcc-4.0 error |
| 13:22.50 | greycat | abrotman: possibly. |
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| 13:23.01 | Esaj | hmm, do bind TTL values always have to be integers? |
| 13:23.08 | greycat | xoz: or more likely "a linux error that's exposed by gcc 4.0" |
| 13:23.13 | liable | my thinkpad controlls the fan by magic. No fan modules or proc entries for it. But it turns on and off at will. :) |
| 13:23.14 | greycat | Esaj: yes |
| 13:23.20 | abrotman | Esaj: well .. would you like a TTL of 2.3356356 seconds ? |
| 13:23.28 | Esaj | hehe |
| 13:23.31 | xoz | greycat: heh |
| 13:23.44 | Esaj | I mean in the sense that you can use values of '2w' for example |
| 13:23.47 | greycat | abrotman: 86400.1 seconds!! It's very important that it be an extra 100 milliseconds!! |
| 13:23.53 | morbyte | i want to install debian on my new amd64-pcie-x800 box but as soon as debian wants to configure x it hangs up the system (ctrl-alt-del and ctrl-alt-bksp didnt work. Any ideas how to get x runnung with sarge packets? |
| 13:23.54 | Esaj | it's not clear from this: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/apa/ttl.html |
| 13:24.05 | xoz | greycat: maybe paradigm shift |
| 13:24.07 | greycat | Esaj: ask #dns |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | greycat: yes .. there was traffic this morning in baltimore .. give it some extra time :) |
| 13:24.18 | Esaj | greycat: ok, cheers |
| 13:24.40 | liable | morbyte: with the 32 bit installer? |
| 13:24.42 | greycat | ugh... it's installing 25 updates on the reboot. didn't he *ever* shut down properly? |
| 13:24.46 | morbyte | no |
| 13:24.47 | abrotman | Esaj: there is also #dns if you have more questions about bind .. they might know more |
| 13:24.59 | morbyte | liable: no, amd64-bc-install |
| 13:24.59 | Esaj | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:25.00 | abrotman | Esaj: but yes .. TTL is int |
| 13:25.00 | liable | morbyte: #debian-amd64 |
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| 13:25.12 | morbyte | thanks, ok |
| 13:25.25 | Esaj | abrotman: you can set it to '2w' for 2 weeks as well though, but I'm not sure in what cases |
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| 13:25.44 | greycat | a two-week TTL is probably crazy. |
| 13:25.45 | abrotman | Esaj: that's a long time for TTL |
| 13:25.54 | abrotman | Esaj: there are websites that give good guidelines |
| 13:26.09 | Esaj | abrotman: indeed. I just want to know the syntax. How about '2h' or '2m'... |
| 13:26.11 | abrotman | Esaj: or the ORA book has some |
| 13:26.14 | whirm | hi |
| 13:26.19 | abrotman | Esaj: the bind ARM says nothing ? |
| 13:26.33 | Esaj | abrotman: it's not clear |
| 13:27.00 | abrotman | Esaj: then i'd ask #dns |
| 13:27.11 | doub | Esaj: the problem is when, say, your main webserver goes offline, and you want to replace it with another one. if you set 2w ttl, that means at max DNS servers will keep the old ip for 2 weeks |
| 13:27.16 | whirm | I'm getting that message every minute in my logs: Jul 14 15:18:52 localhost postfix/master[3085]: warning: master_wakeup_timer_event: service public/pickup: No such file or directory |
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| 13:27.43 | doub | Esaj: on the other side setting it to 2 seconds will generate useless traffic for updates |
| 13:27.48 | abrotman | Esaj: i think a decent TTL is .. 5 days .. less if you plan an IP switch shortly |
| 13:27.59 | Esaj | ok guys :) |
| 13:28.00 | abrotman | maybe it was 3 days ... |
| 13:28.02 | abrotman | whatever |
| 13:28.11 | Esaj | that was just an example, I'm only interested in the syntax... |
| 13:28.24 | whirm | I'm using debian SID with postfix 2.2.4-1, I tried creating: qmgr and pickup in /var/spool/postfix/public, but nothing... |
| 13:28.33 | Esaj | I wonder if '1y' works as well :) |
| 13:28.48 | abrotman | Esaj: that would be good .. if you were $GOD and you knew your IP wouldn't change :) |
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| 13:29.14 | Esaj | abrotman: :) |
| 13:29.39 | liable | a mail sever on sid? |
| 13:29.49 | greycat | abrotman: maybe if you went out of your way to get 3.14.159.* and protected it with all the resources you could bring to bear... |
| 13:30.01 | greycat | liable: insanity. |
| 13:30.09 | liable | indeed |
| 13:30.39 | whirm | liable: is my desktop mail server, not a production one :-) |
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| 13:31.14 | abrotman | greycat: oh .. damn you're right .. |
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| 13:31.29 | shishi | re |
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| 13:31.47 | cplx | anyway to repair reiserfs errors? any programs u can get to like fix the hdd if there is screwed up sectors or whatever? |
| 13:31.57 | shishi | xoz: i apt-get remove gcc and apt-get install gcc-2.95 but , after gcc not found ... |
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| 13:32.04 | liable | !ricerfs |
| 13:32.04 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:32.04 | dpkg | ricerfs is probably the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 13:32.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:32.18 | doub | greycat: what's being sane then? i mean, a sid box still has to have some kind of sendmail command, right? |
| 13:32.26 | cplx | !reiserfs |
| 13:32.26 | dpkg | hmm... reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 13:32.29 | greycat | doub: a mail *server* should be running on stable. |
| 13:32.50 | greycat | doub: a "desktop box that also has exim on it" can be sid if you don't really use the MTA as a production service |
| 13:32.50 | doub | greycat: yeah of course, a public internet mail server |
| 13:33.15 | cplx | anyone know of a application that can cure reiserfs errors? |
| 13:33.17 | doub | greycat: yeah "production service" is what i men |
| 13:33.20 | cplx | related to the file system |
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| 13:33.23 | doub | greycat: ment* even |
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| 13:33.54 | whirm | so I remove postfix and install exim? |
| 13:34.32 | liable | cplx: there is a reiser chkfs, but I cant remember |
| 13:34.37 | whirm | I would prefer to repair my beloved postfix... |
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| 13:35.45 | greycat | whirm: just "apt-get install postfix" if that's what you want. |
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| 13:36.17 | whirm | I already tried to purge and reinstall it, but it remains = |
| 13:36.31 | shishi | greycat: can you see why i have gcc not found afer apt-get install gcc-2.95? |
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| 13:36.53 | shishi | before i make ,apt-get remove gcc |
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| 13:38.44 | greycat | shishi: well that was daft. |
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| 13:39.04 | greycat | shishi: you should have *already* had gcc-3.3 installed from before you dist-upgraded, but even failing that, just "apt-get install gcc-3.3" should work. |
| 13:39.19 | greycat | removing the gcc metapackage serves no purpose |
| 13:39.40 | liable | shishi: ls /usr/bin |grep gcc |
| 13:39.55 | greycat | "ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc*" might be more revealing |
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| 13:40.10 | greycat | or even *cc* |
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| 13:40.44 | shishi | greycat: erf ...i have gcc-2.95 gcc-3.3 gcc-3.4 gcc-4.0 |
| 13:40.46 | shishi | :( |
| 13:40.55 | greycat | the Vaio seems to like sarge so far. e100 NIC, installing is proceeding smoothly. |
| 13:41.13 | greycat | shishi: does "gcc-3.3 -v" work? |
| 13:41.16 | shishi | greycat: when i did apt-get install gcc-3.3 is already installed |
| 13:41.17 | greycat | shishi: if so, just use that. |
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| 13:42.10 | shishi | greycat: gcc-3.3 -v work |
| 13:42.24 | greycat | tell your compilation to use it |
| 13:42.46 | shishi | huummm , i did make-kpkg .... |
| 13:42.50 | greycat | remember that the linux kernel makefile has TWO places to edit. |
| 13:42.52 | greycat | but you already knew that. |
| 13:43.06 | greycat | because if you're building custom kernel in sid, you'd better fucking well know that. |
| 13:43.08 | shishi | so when i type ,make-kpkg clean , gcc not found .... |
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| 13:43.19 | raf256 | btw, is it a good idea to use gcc 3.4 (or 4.0) to built kernel? |
| 13:43.29 | greycat | gcc-4.0 is breaking on kernel compilations. |
| 13:43.46 | greycat | the documentation on the 2.4.* series still suggests 2.95 "but you can use 3.0 if you want" |
| 13:43.50 | raf256 | and usign 3.4 instead 3.3.5? |
| 13:43.56 | greycat | 3.3 works for me. |
| 13:44.12 | liable | 4 seems ok on new ones.. |
| 13:44.17 | whirm | I'm using 2.6.13-rc2 compiled with 4.0.1 and running smoothly |
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| 13:44.32 | raf256 | whirm: real... because Im going to compile 2.6.13-rc2 |
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| 13:44.37 | pzn | I have a Debian machine with one ADSL connection. Now I intend to add another ADSL connection with other ISP (to be more reliable). When both connections are up, I'd like to optimize bandwidth usage. Can you recommend a howto? |
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| 13:44.50 | whirm | raf256: absolutely ^_^ |
| 13:44.50 | raf256 | whirm: perhaps tried to compile in patch-o-matic into it? |
| 13:45.12 | raf256 | Whisky_: you did? it worked? |
| 13:45.13 | whirm | raf256: nope, is a vanilla kernel |
| 13:45.17 | raf256 | Whisky_: oh |
| 13:45.46 | raf256 | Whisky_: what do I edit before calling make xconfig to make kernel using 4.0.1? |
| 13:46.21 | franz | Is it normal that I can't even compile a debian kernel under sid? |
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| 13:46.25 | doub | pzn: i've seen such a howto for a netbsd router, which would balance connections between the two |
| 13:46.30 | whirm | raf256: nothing, remove debian and stamp files if you make-kpkg'ed it with some other compires and done |
| 13:46.31 | liable | franz: yes.:P |
| 13:46.32 | doub | pzn: google for it, maybe |
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| 13:46.57 | possie | anyone know how i can force which modules need to be included in the initrd file? |
| 13:47.06 | franz | liable gcc.3-3 doesn"t work either... what the hell! |
| 13:47.18 | liable | franz: you know what sid is? unstable? |
| 13:47.20 | raf256 | whirm: I dont use make-kpkg actually, calling make by hand... |
| 13:47.37 | franz | liable sure I do but I hadn't seen unstable like this before! |
| 13:47.53 | whirm | well then nothing |
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| 13:48.26 | Guerin | franz: gcc 3.3 does indeed build kernels |
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| 13:48.43 | Guerin | if you think it doesn't, it's likely that you're doing something wrong |
| 13:48.50 | whirm | franz: yep, using sid the last weeks feels like driving at 450mph ^_^ |
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| 13:50.40 | liable | I must be about out of luck, hasnt killed me yet. |
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| 13:50.52 | greycat | Guerin: or he's trying to build a really old kernel |
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| 13:51.02 | greycat | (e.g. 2.0.x kernels require gcc2.7) |
| 13:51.10 | Guerin | greycat: oh, that's poaaible |
| 13:51.15 | Guerin | and possible, too |
| 13:51.34 | Guerin | but you'd have to be one sick motherfucker to do that on current sid |
| 13:51.37 | Overand | Building a 2.0 series kernel is certainly 'poo-able' |
| 13:52.04 | spiorf | Hi all, i'm using sid, but gcc 4.0 don't compile the 2.6.11.12 kernel correctly. How can i use gcc3.4 in kernel compilation? |
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| 13:52.27 | doub | spiorf: with update-alternatives maybe |
| 13:53.01 | Guerin | doub: nope |
| 13:53.10 | jm_ | spiorf: you can set it in the Makefile |
| 13:53.14 | Guerin | spiorf: change the gcc symlink or use the CC environment variable |
| 13:53.21 | Guerin | or do what jm_ says |
| 13:53.30 | simonrvn | current sid == tuxracer at ~300 km/h ;) |
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| 13:53.42 | jm_ | spiorf: you can also pass it as parameter to make |
| 13:54.16 | TBBle | In fact, I think there's such an example in the kernel-package docs... |
| 13:54.20 | spiorf | jm_, how? I tried to export the CC variable (CC=gcc3.4) |
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| 13:54.38 | Guerin | bah, so many people who think they're smart enough to both run sid and build their own kernels are showing their true colours now |
| 13:54.45 | xoz | gcc-3.4 |
| 13:54.56 | jm_ | spiorf: the executable is called gcc-3.4 |
| 13:55.03 | spiorf | ok |
| 13:55.08 | ducky | what is the best way to add another root user to a debian sarge box? |
| 13:55.09 | simonrvn | not so much smarts, as skillz and knowledge |
| 13:55.19 | vincent | ducky: can't |
| 13:55.21 | Guerin | doub: what's the point? |
| 13:55.26 | jm_ | Guerin: as the X.org feller put it "Welcome to unstable" |
| 13:55.28 | Guerin | bah |
| 13:55.32 | Guerin | ducky: ^^ |
| 13:55.34 | simonrvn | sashroot |
| 13:55.37 | Guerin | jm_: word |
| 13:55.42 | xoz | to learn something, you have to be *brave* and somehow be ready to be called *stupid* |
| 13:55.46 | kl12 | /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 13:56.05 | simonrvn | oh surely, must want to try things out |
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| 13:56.21 | Guerin | and be happy when things break |
| 13:56.26 | Guerin | anyway |
| 13:56.30 | simonrvn | yeh, then you get to fix it =) |
| 13:56.34 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 13:56.48 | Guerin | enjoy what's left of bastille day |
| 13:56.51 | ducky | I added fooroot:x:0:0:fooroot:/home/foo:/bin/bash to /etc/passwd |
| 13:57.03 | liable | I cant seem to break the fucker if I try :( |
| 13:57.08 | ducky | but when I do passwd fooroot, I get an error |
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| 13:57.16 | cplx | anyone know of a application that can cure reiserfs errors? related to the file system/journalling |
| 13:57.28 | simonrvn | ducky: um, what's wrong with adduser? |
| 13:57.56 | abrotman | ducky: cause someone already has UID 0 ? |
| 13:58.02 | zinosat | how can I share my files with a friend on the same network running windoze? ftp server? which? |
| 13:58.08 | abrotman | zinosat: samba |
| 13:58.12 | xoz | ducky: what about /etc/shadow? |
| 13:58.13 | ethics | cplx i dont think reiser has tools...its like the titanic perfect apparently |
| 13:58.18 | liable | zinosat: heard of sanba? |
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| 13:58.24 | abrotman | !tell zinosat about samba |
| 13:58.30 | simonrvn | like i said, what's wrong with adduser? |
| 13:58.34 | jessiejames | liable: sanba or samba |
| 13:58.44 | liable | err, typo. |
| 13:58.45 | simonrvn | sanba? |
| 13:58.47 | zinosat | abrotman, easy to set it up? |
| 13:58.47 | simonrvn | :) |
| 13:58.48 | jessiejames | samba |
| 13:58.53 | goron | !samba |
| 13:58.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 13:58.54 | zinosat | thanx guys! |
| 13:58.58 | pax | !swat |
| 13:58.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, swat is Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with |
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| 13:59.11 | zinosat | I know about it but never tried it |
| 13:59.17 | mac7atknoppix | .. |
| 13:59.21 | jessiejames | http://www.samba.org |
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| 13:59.36 | jessiejames | i use samba as a PDC for hom |
| 13:59.36 | mac7atknoppix | can someone help getting debian running again? |
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| 13:59.37 | jessiejames | home |
| 14:00.14 | jessiejames | works wonders...does anyone know if BDC support will be added in Samba 4.x? |
| 14:00.29 | simonrvn | ask #samba ;p |
| 14:00.30 | mac7atknoppix | booting into debian stops, these are the errors: |
| 14:00.36 | WaruiInu | how can i make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to save the changes in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. I tryed something i found on google with writing the md5sum in a file, but no goof |
| 14:00.40 | simonrvn | they might have it in their faq |
| 14:00.42 | liable | #samba sucks ass... |
| 14:00.50 | mac7atknoppix | mount: fs type devfs not supported by kernel |
| 14:00.53 | liable | seriously |
| 14:00.56 | dondelelcaro | liable: complain about other channels elsewhere. |
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| 14:00.59 | mac7atknoppix | unmount: devfs: nt mounted |
| 14:01.04 | liable | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 14:01.08 | jessiejames | simonrvn: half say yes half say no....i was just trying to get a concensus from you guys as well |
| 14:01.11 | xoz | !listkeys md5sum |
| 14:01.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'md5sum' by key (3): xmd5sum ;; x md5sum ;; md5sum. |
| 14:01.13 | ethics | !MD5SUM |
| 14:01.15 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 14:01.22 | simonrvn | ok mcgill, stop limiting my bandwidth here |
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| 14:01.30 | mac7atknoppix | /sbin/init: 234: cannot open dev/console : input/output error |
| 14:01.30 | xoz | WaruiInu: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 14:01.49 | dondelelcaro | mac7atknoppix: uh, what d-i disk is this? |
| 14:01.50 | Justin | mac7atknoppix: what did you do to break it |
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| 14:02.03 | xoz | mac7atknoppix: compiled your kernel i bet? |
| 14:02.10 | jessiejames | jor bustin in with an IPv6 |
| 14:02.16 | kbrooks | o fuck |
| 14:02.17 | xoz | mac7atknoppix: or maybe udev? |
| 14:02.25 | WaruiInu | xoz: Ok.:) I wrote the output of md5sum for XF86Config-4 in /var/lib/... |
| 14:02.29 | kbrooks | Guerin, too many cases |
| 14:02.33 | kbrooks | fuck this |
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| 14:02.54 | WaruiInu | so there is a more complex command :D |
| 14:02.54 | mac7atknoppix | justin: installed ext2 from fs-driver org |
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| 14:03.33 | mac7atknoppix | and did fschk... |
| 14:03.40 | dondelelcaro | mac7atknoppix: are you trying to do a Debian install? is this a Debian kernel? |
| 14:03.41 | Justin | mac7atknoppix: eh? |
| 14:04.01 | mac7atknoppix | now I guess knoppix can repair the debian install, but how? |
| 14:04.02 | jessiejames | mac7atknoppix: dont you mean fsck |
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| 14:04.21 | Alumni | mac7atknoppix: What are you using ext2 fs? |
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| 14:04.22 | mac7atknoppix | jessiejames: you are right |
| 14:04.37 | WaruiInu | ok, i already did that command with md5sum, but still dpkg-reconfigure hasnt made any change |
| 14:04.38 | dondelelcaro | mac7atknoppix: you still haven't explained exactly what you're doing, and why you've managed to break it |
| 14:04.49 | Alumni | mac7atknoppix: Are you using ext2 for your root file system? |
| 14:04.50 | jessiejames | mac7atknoppix: my wireless ssid is fsck_off |
| 14:05.15 | mac7atknoppix | yes, ext2 is used |
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| 14:05.22 | jessiejames | no one ever gets that though....most people anyway |
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| 14:05.32 | xoz | WaruiInu: worst, try to --purge xserver-xfree86 and install again. |
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| 14:05.46 | WaruiInu | i think i tryed this before |
| 14:05.57 | CyzarX | guys, need your helps here. i cant umount my cdrom. it complaint about device is busy. i didnt do anything nor i open any app on the cd. plz help. ty |
| 14:05.59 | mac7atknoppix | and I tried to install firewall "vuurmuur" |
| 14:06.02 | WaruiInu | and then i ahd a 0 bytes file |
| 14:06.04 | Alumni | mac7atknoppix: IMHO, reiserfs is superior. I tmight save you some trouble (and some time) by just using reiserfs. |
| 14:06.06 | rorot | how can I know how long time a video will play with mplayer ? |
| 14:06.11 | nvz | why the hell would you need to d/l an ext2 driver from some random site is what I am wondering |
| 14:06.17 | WaruiInu | i'll try again |
| 14:06.22 | jessiejames | ....didn't most of the worlds population move to x.org years ago anyway |
| 14:06.26 | simonrvn | @nvz++ |
| 14:06.30 | doub | I have an old d-i rc2 iso, with the base system on it. is it possible to force it not to use the outdated packages on the iso, and grab them from network? |
| 14:06.32 | mac7atknoppix | I only need a small howto to fix the error... |
| 14:06.34 | xoz | CyzarX: lsof | grep </dev/location of mounted disk> ... kill the process owning it |
| 14:06.39 | dondelelcaro | Alumni: please do not recommend reiser here unless you're willing to personally support everyone you recommend it to. |
| 14:06.58 | Alumni | rorot: mplayer isn't even a supported Debian package, is it? |
| 14:07.00 | simonrvn | it is not superior |
| 14:07.00 | whirm | XD |
| 14:07.04 | jessiejames | lol @dondelelcaro |
| 14:07.08 | Alumni | simonrvn: Hence the IMHO |
| 14:07.11 | Hiruky | hi |
| 14:07.14 | nvz | I just woke up but I don;'t understand |
| 14:07.16 | rorot | Alumni: yes, |
| 14:07.28 | dondelelcaro | mac7atknoppix: nothing that you've said yet would give you the error that you've got. You've changed your kernel for some reason, and that is keeping the machine from booting. |
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| 14:07.52 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi all |
| 14:08.00 | rorot | Alumni: but mplayer is the a video tool I like best |
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| 14:08.06 | Hiruky | I'm trying to compile a new kernel, but I get serveral errors after saving the configuration. /boot/config-2.5.8.2-286: 2063: trying to assign nonexistent symbol DVB_ALPS_TDMB7 |
| 14:08.10 | WaruiInu | xoz: i --purge, then install, and in the end i have a 0 bytes file :( |
| 14:08.10 | Aragorn_Guardian | how can i see what is happening with my usb printer? |
| 14:08.14 | Hiruky | Like 30 errors like that |
| 14:08.18 | Aragorn_Guardian | i am using cups... |
| 14:08.21 | mac7atknoppix | dondelelcaro: ok, how can I fix it by using knoppix? |
| 14:08.23 | Alumni | rorot: Have you tried xine? |
| 14:08.36 | simonrvn | 2.5.8.2 ? |
| 14:08.43 | Hiruky | ack |
| 14:08.46 | Hiruky | 2.6.8.2 |
| 14:08.46 | xoz | WaruiInu: fix your souces.list |
| 14:08.47 | Hiruky | typo |
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| 14:09.06 | WaruiInu | xoz: should i remove non-free ? |
| 14:09.13 | WaruiInu | i manually added it |
| 14:09.33 | rorot | Alumni: xine works under X, and I need to write a script to fetch rmvb information, can xine do this ? |
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| 14:09.34 | Hiruky | any idea why it would do that? |
| 14:09.37 | simonrvn | raf256: you're expected to do that on your own, if you want custom... |
| 14:09.39 | Alumni | I only suggested it because I have alot of power failures here (I only have a UPS for my Apache/NFS machine), and reiserfs has given me less headaches with fsck failing. |
| 14:09.43 | Hiruky | I'm not event telling it to use my old config |
| 14:09.56 | Alumni | rorot: I am not sure, I have only used it a few times, casually. |
| 14:10.07 | liable | night.. |
| 14:10.08 | xoz | WaruiInu: no. try to find a mirror that contains the file. how come it is 0 bytes? apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfree86... then install. or maybe, try apt-get install xserver-xorg. |
| 14:10.17 | rorot | Alumni: thank u all the same:) |
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| 14:10.36 | Alumni | rorot: Have you compiled mplayer from scratch and installed it? |
| 14:10.38 | raf256 | simonrvn: custom - ok. But I bet meany ppl would appriciate kernel with compiled in grsec and patchomatic for better iptables |
| 14:10.49 | WaruiInu | xoz: i'll change the mirror, i don;t think i want xorg |
| 14:11.02 | rorot | Alumni: yes, |
| 14:11.03 | CyzarX | thanks xoz ;) |
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| 14:11.14 | mac7atknoppix | I guess I switch back to windows again...linux is too complicated, never change something on a running linux system that is what I learnt today |
| 14:11.25 | xoz | WaruiInu: it's possible, xserver-xfree86 is now replaced by xorg and become a dummy package. i just upgrade to xorg and there is no problem. |
| 14:11.26 | rorot | Alumni: it worked well on console :) |
| 14:11.40 | Alumni | rorot: Maybe you could write a C program and use the mpeglib directly to find the length of the video, if you can't do that with mplayer. |
| 14:11.51 | simonrvn | mac7atknoppix: um, maybe you're going at the wrong way? take baby steps at first |
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| 14:11.53 | WaruiInu | i remember i used xorg a while ago, and didn't really like, i forgot why :) |
| 14:12.04 | WaruiInu | something didnt really went as i expected |
| 14:12.10 | prodope_ | is there a way to reserve memory so it will only be used by a certain process? |
| 14:12.16 | mac7atknoppix | simonrvn: ok, if you can give some instructions, please do |
| 14:12.23 | rorot | Alumni: I wonder if I can get rmvb/rm information using mpeglib ? |
| 14:12.33 | simonrvn | i don't hold hands, i help |
| 14:12.35 | nvz | prodope_: this will likely kill system performance if it were possible |
| 14:12.44 | xoz | WaruiInu: there is really no difference. no need to configure if your old config is working. it simply copies the old configs. |
| 14:12.47 | Justin | mac7atknoppix: more like "never change something and then refuse to tell anyone what you did and expect them to help you" |
| 14:13.01 | Alumni | rorot: I am not really sure, but I wouldn't see why not. |
| 14:13.03 | nvz | prodope_: explain in more detail what the problem is, there is likely a sane solution |
| 14:13.10 | whirm | WaruiInu: I upgraded today from xfree to xorg and it behaves exactly the same if not slightly better (using nvidia gf4 mx440) |
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| 14:13.51 | WaruiInu | well, maybe i change to xorg instead of losing time :) |
| 14:14.02 | whirm | prodope_: why do you want to do that? |
| 14:14.22 | rorot | Alumni: I will try it, thanks :P |
| 14:14.23 | nvz | whirm: to crash his system or overall degrade the performance of course |
| 14:14.53 | Alumni | prodope_: Once a process is created, and it's memory it is going to use is allocated, it is my understanding that another process cannot use that memory. Any attempts will cause a SIGSEGV signal, so what you want is already done for you. |
| 14:14.54 | nvz | whirm: oh, and apperently thinks he knows more than kernel developers about memory management |
| 14:14.57 | whirm | nvz: oh, well... then install windows :) |
| 14:15.10 | nvz | dpkg, gates? |
| 14:15.10 | dpkg | somebody said gates was In the world of IT there are not fenceswalls, so who needs Gates and Windows? |
| 14:15.12 | shishi | greycat: cool it compiling well for this time thx ;) |
| 14:15.38 | mac7atknoppix | justin: ok I tell you what I did: 1 installed xt2 from fs-driver org...to have access to linux partitions in windows 2 in debian I tried to install vuurmuur, that did not function 3 I did a fsck and than suddenly amule wasn't able to write data to the hdd at all so I rebooted and now debian cannot start anymore |
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| 14:15.42 | shishi | greycat: how can i define gcc to use all the time ? |
| 14:15.48 | nvz | dpkg no, gates is In the world of IT there are not fences or walls, so who needs Gates and Windows. |
| 14:15.48 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
| 14:15.55 | nvz | you dork |
| 14:16.04 | Alumni | prodope_: Did you mean protected memory? |
| 14:16.36 | Justin | mac7atknoppix: sounds like the shit you installed windows hosed the drive. |
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| 14:17.12 | mac7atknoppix | justin: ok, but how did debian manage to run after that installed windows driver? |
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| 14:17.28 | Justin | mac7atknoppix: because you didn't run fsck immediately? |
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| 14:17.35 | Alumni | Hmm, I wonder when support for my Mac Mini's intrepid audio will be in Debian stable. Not that I don't mind compiling my own kernel with patch to obtain sound support. |
| 14:18.15 | dondelelcaro | Alumni: next release, most likely. |
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| 14:18.28 | mac7atknoppix | justin: correct |
| 14:18.29 | Alumni | dondelelcaro: Thank you. |
| 14:18.49 | greycat | shishi: ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc |
| 14:18.59 | SDFH_Linux | what is the name of the ati 3d driver |
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| 14:19.13 | greycat | SDFH_Linux: the ati driver in X.org has 3d acceleration for some chipsets |
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| 14:19.30 | greycat | my radeon 9000 at home got 1100 FPS in glxgears with X.org and no fglrx shit :) |
| 14:19.43 | Anders | nice |
| 14:19.45 | shishi | greycat: i use X600 have some info about good config with it? |
| 14:19.54 | Vyrus001 | wow |
| 14:19.59 | greycat | if that's a video card, ask #ati |
| 14:20.01 | Alumni | I am running the radeon driver with my Mac Mini's ATi Radeon 9200. |
| 14:20.05 | greycat | I have no clue what an X600 is |
| 14:20.05 | Vyrus001 | i have a 9000 also |
| 14:20.18 | SDFH_Linux | i have a radeon built in to a mobo here on another computer wondering if xorg would pick that up |
| 14:20.45 | simonrvn | xorg has really nice ati support |
| 14:20.52 | LuCkYaN | hi |
| 14:21.00 | Justin | greycat: what is X in roman numerals? :-P |
| 14:21.10 | LuCkYaN | why i can't install openoffice ??... i have unstable and kde |
| 14:21.12 | SDFH_Linux | does it also pick up old voodoo 4 cards |
| 14:21.19 | SDFH_Linux | and make them 3d |
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| 14:21.29 | Justin | LuCkYaN: why can't you? |
| 14:21.39 | shishi | greycat: greycat ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc return nothing |
| 14:21.43 | WaruiInu | LuCkYaN: try google :) |
| 14:21.50 | LuCkYaN | WaruiInu, shhht |
| 14:22.06 | shishi | greycat: X600 is a graphic card ati ... |
| 14:22.09 | Markrian | LuCkYaN, if you're using unstable, you should expect problems like that and be able to deal with them yourself |
| 14:22.31 | LuCkYaN | Justin, i have an error on apt .. with 2 Depends , E: Broken packages |
| 14:22.36 | Alumni | Maybe I should use xorg on my Mac Mini (which is running Debian, PPC) I have my x86 Debian system with nVidia Geforce2 running the official nVidia driver, which is giving better performance with OpenGL than the Mac Mini's ATI (probably because the Mac Mini using the opensource radeon driver, and not the official driver) |
| 14:23.05 | WaruiInu | LuCkYaN: let's see if it will install here |
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| 14:24.09 | WaruiInu | not here too, maybe at the next update |
| 14:24.17 | LuCkYaN | hope :) |
| 14:25.04 | flok420 | http://www.vanheusden.com/soundsort/ |
| 14:25.08 | flok420 | oops sorry wrong window |
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| 14:25.54 | ciga | hello |
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| 14:26.09 | crashbg | guys, i have problem with rsync :( |
| 14:26.29 | crashbg | i rsynceed my installation from hda to sda |
| 14:26.38 | ciga | I connect to my adsl provider, but I have to add the defaul route to get it work. how to do it automagically after connection? |
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| 14:27.10 | crashbg | but now after grub loads the kernel, it says can't open dev/console no such file |
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| 14:28.12 | whirm | must go, bye! |
| 14:28.14 | xoz | ciga: /etc/network/interfaces .. configure gateway... man interfaces |
| 14:28.49 | crashbg | can someone help me |
| 14:29.10 | raf256 | hmm |
| 14:29.12 | raf256 | what do I change |
| 14:29.17 | raf256 | after changing graph card? |
| 14:29.29 | raf256 | some dpkg-reconfigure....? |
| 14:29.52 | ciga | xoz: it should be done by pppd, should not it? |
| 14:30.10 | raf256 | wjat driver to use so taht it will always work with any VESA card? in XFree64 cfg? |
| 14:30.26 | crashbg | raf256, vesa :) |
| 14:30.38 | chope | hi, I want to run ./script value, and then use that value in the script, how could i do this? |
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| 14:30.49 | raf256 | crashbg: can I use some reconfigure thingy? |
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| 14:31.17 | raf256 | wtf dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 do not work? |
| 14:31.23 | raf256 | what was name of that pack? |
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| 14:33.46 | crashbg | raf256, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:34.56 | chope | any ideas? |
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| 14:36.06 | azeem | chope: man bash |
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| 14:36.47 | greycat | There's something weird going on with the USB on this Vaio laptop. The best results I've been able to achieve with the USB mouse were by rmmod'ing usb-uhci and modprobe'ing uhci (which then brought in hid and mousedev and so on by itself). But the mouse still lags and staggers like it's drunk. |
| 14:36.53 | simonrvn | @drxx raf256 |
| 14:36.54 | ravenbird | raf256: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:36.59 | greycat | Anyone got a clue on USB issues on Sony VAIO laptops with 2.4.x kernels? |
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| 14:37.52 | jharrisonwk | greycat: sounds strange |
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| 14:37.58 | guevolt | how do i clear my cache of dns? I'm receiving the Non-authoritative answer when i run the nslookup. What is happen? I run the named-checkzone and it return OK. |
| 14:38.05 | greycat | jharrisonwk: very strange, since I've done this before with several other laptops. |
| 14:38.15 | greycat | guevolt: get a Clue. |
| 14:38.27 | jharrisonwk | greycat: does usb work on other OSs/2.6 kernel? |
| 14:38.32 | greycat | of course you get a nonauthoritative answer when you ask your ISP's resolver to resolve for you! |
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| 14:38.39 | greycat | your ISP isn't the authority for yahoo.com |
| 14:38.42 | caphuso | 652 frames in 5.0 seconds = 130.400 FPS |
| 14:38.48 | greycat | jharrisonwk: I haven't tried 2.6 yet. I suppose I should do that. |
| 14:38.57 | caphuso | blazingly fast X.org :) |
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| 14:39.06 | mathieu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.08 | greycat | caphuso: which chipset? |
| 14:39.14 | jharrisonwk | greycat: could be usb is shot on that laptop |
| 14:39.15 | caphuso | greycat: matrox g550 |
| 14:39.16 | tbx | brand new to debian - how do I install a local file, e.g. nvidia_nforce-1.0-257_i386.deb |
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| 14:39.23 | caphuso | so it's not actually surprising |
| 14:39.24 | greycat | tbx: dpkg -i |
| 14:39.30 | greycat | but WHY oh WHY are you doing this..? |
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| 14:40.04 | tbx | greycat: thank you.... erm, it's for my mobo - edumacate me why this is bad? I am a recent mandrake emigree. |
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| 14:40.46 | jharrisonwk | tbx: should not mention mandrake here in this channel |
| 14:41.13 | greycat | tbx: what does this .deb file actually contain? a kernel driver? if so, why doesn't it have a kernel version number in its filename? |
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| 14:41.14 | tbx | okay, I recently fled a SSSHHHHH! SECRET distribution. |
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| 14:41.35 | greycat | and how do you know it's the right file for your system? |
| 14:41.40 | jharrisonwk | tbx: thats better |
| 14:41.43 | tbx | greenfly: it's downloaded from nvidia.com. I am trying to restore my system after my SSSSHHHH! SECRET distribution puked. |
| 14:41.51 | greycat | and why doesn't the standard linux kernel contain it? |
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| 14:42.08 | jharrisonwk | greycat: he probably means vga drivers |
| 14:42.10 | takatumi | caphuso: when I used to extoll it's virtues a while back, noone heard. :) |
| 14:42.17 | jharrisonwk | tbx: you do mean video drivers right? |
| 14:42.22 | jharrisonwk | tbx: not chipset? |
| 14:42.25 | tbx | greenfly: couldn't tell ya, bro. All I know is that in order to make all stuff work on my SSSHHH! SECRET distribution, I had to install the equivalent RPMs. |
| 14:42.42 | takatumi | s/ll/l |
| 14:42.50 | jharrisonwk | hhmmmm |
| 14:42.56 | jharrisonwk | im becoming annoyed |
| 14:43.02 | crashbg | what to use |
| 14:43.05 | chope | ./msg azeem i have a script named hi, then i try to run bash -c string hi and it says hi: command not found, do you know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 14:43.06 | tbx | jharrisonwk: well, the video driver .run file fails, and a cat of the .log file telleth me absolutely nothing at all. |
| 14:43.10 | crashbg | to copy /dev to another partition |
| 14:44.05 | tbx | jharrisonwk: and out of bare curiosity, why not mention the SSSHHHH! SECRET distribution - ist verboten, or is it just particularly and specially despised? |
| 14:44.05 | greycat | huh, whaddayaknow. the USB mouse works like a champ under 2.6.8 |
| 14:44.22 | takatumi | \o/ greycat is a convert. |
| 14:44.30 | azeem | chope: uhm, no need to /msg me |
| 14:44.30 | jharrisonwk | tbx: because mandrake SUCKS goat balls |
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| 14:44.34 | dajhorn | crashbg: You can use tar. The `cp -a` command should also work. |
| 14:44.35 | greycat | tbx: what problem are you seeing when you *don't* use this mystery .deb? |
| 14:44.37 | TTimo | f*k, gaim is gon |
| 14:44.39 | ShiShi | after compiling well , i have kernel panic with /sbin/init 432 |
| 14:44.39 | crashbg | "pivot-root : No such file or directory |
| 14:44.40 | crashbg | /sbin/init:431 cannot open /dev/console:No such file |
| 14:44.40 | crashbg | Kernel-panic -not syncing : Attempted to kill init!" |
| 14:44.45 | greycat | takatumi: no, not a convert. I just use whichever works best. |
| 14:44.46 | jharrisonwk | tbx: http://www.allesoverballen.com/engels/GEITEN.html |
| 14:44.46 | tbx | jharrisonwk: yer tellin' me!!!!! |
| 14:44.57 | greycat | takatumi: usually that's 2.4, but sometimes it's 2.6. |
| 14:44.58 | simonrvn | STOP BUILDING INITRD KERNELS WITH NO INITRDS |
| 14:45.04 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 14:45.16 | tbx | greenfly: my current issue is that I have low screen res. I want my 1280x1024 back. |
| 14:45.16 | guevolt | how do i clean my dns cache? I'm receiving the "Non-authoritative answer" when i run the nslookup. What is happen? I run the named-checkzone and it return OK. |
| 14:45.17 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: what exactly is an initrd kernel? |
| 14:45.19 | dajhorn | crashbg: You could also copy /dev/MAKEDEV to the new location and run commands like`./MAKEDEV hda`. |
| 14:45.19 | simonrvn | crashbg: ^^^ |
| 14:45.19 | crashbg | simonrvn, i rsynced |
| 14:45.22 | takatumi | !worked in 2.4 |
| 14:45.22 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 14:45.29 | ShiShi | simonrvn, wit initrd tools i think |
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| 14:45.32 | tbx | greycat: [grr] my current issue is that I have low screen res. I want my 1280x1024 back. |
| 14:45.37 | tbx | greenfly: sorry. |
| 14:45.51 | greycat | tbx: what video card? |
| 14:46.01 | tbx | greycat: nvidia gforce2 |
| 14:46.02 | crashbg | dajhorn, i cant boot |
| 14:46.16 | greycat | tbx: you don't want that .deb then. you want the stuff in /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 14:46.36 | dajhorn | crashbg: Is this why you're trying to copy /dev? |
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| 14:47.17 | crashbg | dajhorn, no i rsynced dev to another hdd and when i try to boot from the other hdd it gives me this error |
| 14:47.18 | tbx | greycat: I *just* re-installed my system - it finished up this morning. My XFree86Conf file is, well, really, really vanilla. |
| 14:47.24 | jharrisonwk | "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4" |
| 14:47.35 | crashbg | the other hdd HAS /dev files |
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| 14:48.09 | jharrisonwk | tbx: im a chocolate man myself |
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| 14:49.09 | tbx | greycat: man, that is PIMPING! Awexome! Thank you! |
| 14:49.22 | bob2 | haha |
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| 14:49.28 | nvz | pfft :P |
| 14:49.43 | bob2 | you can't script things like that |
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| 14:49.54 | tbx | jharrisonwk: one last before I jet to work... where is there a sort of equivalent to PLF repository? Stuff like transcode, xmame, video-dvdrip, libdecss, and so on? |
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| 14:50.00 | asg | bob2: qotd it |
| 14:50.12 | jharrisonwk | tbx: what the is PLF? |
| 14:50.17 | luulis | nmapping localhost shows I have something using port 111 and 605, how could I see which daemons make use of those? |
| 14:50.21 | guido_wrk | Hi, are there any guidelines for running Debian in User Mode Linux? |
| 14:50.22 | greycat | tbx: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:50.33 | simonrvn | luulis: use netstat for local stuff |
| 14:50.37 | bob2 | luulis: sudo netstat -plunt | grep 111 |
| 14:50.40 | nvz | dpkg, qotd130 |
| 14:50.40 | dpkg | < stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing? |
| 14:50.42 | tbx | jharrisonwk: plf.zarb.org .... erm, looks like greycat hits me again. |
| 14:50.42 | bob2 | luulis: on the machien running them |
| 14:51.04 | bob2 | !+listkeys uml |
| 14:51.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'uml' by key (3): suml ;; inumlock ;; uml. |
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| 14:51.19 | simonrvn | i have a one-liner downgrade to testing for you: re-install |
| 14:51.33 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: what is an initrd kernel? |
| 14:51.36 | bob2 | guido_wrk: http://crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt |
| 14:51.46 | bob2 | asg: the qotd thing confuses too much |
| 14:51.52 | bob2 | also, I have to be up in 6 hours |
| 14:51.52 | guido_wrk | bob2: thx |
| 14:51.55 | bob2 | adios |
| 14:52.01 | tbx | greycat: Man, that's cool. Thank you *so* much! |
| 14:52.08 | tbx | --> is never looking back! |
| 14:52.09 | simonrvn | jharrisonwk: are you serious? a kernel that uses an initrd for loading modules needed for booting |
| 14:52.20 | ^th3lo^ | bai |
| 14:52.20 | simonrvn | bob2: g'night |
| 14:52.26 | ^th3lo^ | bali |
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| 14:52.40 | nvz | got some kind of square shaped discoloration on the outer side of my right knee.. looks like a bruise, but doesnt hurt when I touch it |
| 14:52.46 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: I think there is no such thing as initrd kernel |
| 14:52.47 | binni | how can i force some module loading from initrd? |
| 14:52.58 | danysz | hi, anyone can help me with installing ati radeon 9550 on debian 3.1 ? |
| 14:53.10 | ^th3lo^ | huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 14:53.11 | simonrvn | jharrisonwk: right, sure. whatever you say... |
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| 14:53.31 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 14:53.40 | ^th3lo^ | { { |
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| 14:53.50 | simonrvn | hi Phated |
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| 14:54.09 | Phated | simonrvn: And how are you? |
| 14:54.11 | muntyan | hey |
| 14:54.19 | toot | just installed a new kernel 2.6.11.12 - with a initrd - system boots and gives up complaining that it cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.11.12/modules.dep which does exist - any ideas as to why would be welcome |
| 14:54.26 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: well I just mean as apposed to a non-initrd kernel that is |
| 14:54.30 | simonrvn | Phated: doing ok. you? |
| 14:54.44 | Phated | simonrvn: Excellent, thanks. |
| 14:54.47 | greycat | danysz: if it doesn't work in xfree86 try /msg dpkg xorg debs |
| 14:54.51 | greycat | there is a sarge backport |
| 14:54.51 | muntyan | what's 'Debian 3.1'? is it Sarge? |
| 14:54.51 | nvz | I have the hardest time keeping track of my belt.. I bet if I had a hundred of them I still couldnt find one |
| 14:54.56 | greycat | muntyan: yes |
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| 14:55.06 | muntyan | greycat: thanks |
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| 14:55.24 | guido_wrk | the uml howto bob2 pointed me to, was nice, but I was rather looking for instructions on how to modify an existing debian 3.1 installation to run under uml. Can someone help me there? |
| 14:55.44 | xoz | nvz: then go commando. let it dangle ;) |
| 14:55.54 | jharrisonwk | how long is it like this after a release? |
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| 14:56.21 | greycat | HP-UX is funny. When I unplug the USB mouse to use it on the linux laptop temporarily, it says "Core pointer device detached - temporarily using 'null' pointer". |
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| 14:56.35 | simonrvn | hehe, null pointer :) |
| 14:56.38 | bob2 | guido_wrk: how many hours do you want to invest in this? I'd strongly recommend using those 2.2 images, then dist-upgrade'ing it to sarge. |
| 14:56.45 | bob2 | guido_wrk: rootstrap is the other thing to look at |
| 14:56.52 | nvz | xoz: well I have to tuck in my shirt as I work around machinery. the belt would help with these loose fitting jean shorts I have on.. usually I wear something with strings.. but I dont want to wear the same things every day :P |
| 14:57.05 | shakparl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.10 | danysz | greycat: i have warrings when i use ./make.sh command |
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| 14:57.27 | tbx | thanks all, hasta! |
| 14:57.27 | greycat | danysz: uh. |
| 14:57.28 | simonrvn | warrings? 'warnings'? |
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| 14:57.30 | greycat | no, I won't even ask. |
| 14:57.49 | FieldySnuts | ~start a war war |
| 14:57.55 | FieldySnuts | or don't |
| 14:58.02 | simonrvn | start a silly war |
| 14:58.07 | FieldySnuts | byte? |
| 14:58.16 | abrotman | nibble? |
| 14:58.16 | simonrvn | byte me |
| 14:58.23 | FieldySnuts | what ever |
| 14:58.35 | simonrvn | nybble me |
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| 14:58.40 | Phated | Happy? |
| 14:58.44 | FieldySnuts | oh my. hi! |
| 14:58.55 | Phated | Heh. |
| 14:59.05 | guido_wrk | bob2: there are reasons for this. I want to test an installation in an insolated environment before using _the same_ installation as a server (not under uml, that is) |
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| 14:59.13 | simonrvn | eew, wet tongue! ;p (what else is a tongue, dry? ;) |
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| 14:59.39 | sanxiyn | Hm, libcairo1 -> libcairo0.5.1 in Sid. |
| 14:59.49 | jharrisonwk | Phated: shoudlnt you be doing the licking in #debian-offtopic? |
| 14:59.51 | dajhorn | crashbg: If you used rsync to clone the system to another disk, then you must reinstall the boot loader on the new disk. |
| 14:59.58 | Phated | jharrisonwk: Make me. |
| 14:59.59 | simonrvn | ...unless you're a lizard =) |
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| 15:01.36 | bob2 | yay for sonames |
| 15:01.41 | FieldySnuts | for whats? |
| 15:02.21 | rorot | when compiling the kernel 2.6.10, I select the logo into the kernel, but when rebooting, there was no logo pictures on the screen, why ? |
| 15:02.22 | pirre | sonates? |
| 15:02.26 | pirre | tsunamis? |
| 15:02.31 | FieldySnuts | badgers? |
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| 15:02.38 | FieldySnuts | "logo"? |
| 15:02.45 | sanxiyn | Tux? |
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| 15:03.11 | rbochan | isn't that for using framenuffer stuffs? |
| 15:03.17 | rbochan | er... framebuffer |
| 15:03.18 | pirre | rorot: tried googling for "2.6 boot logo" ? |
| 15:03.46 | rorot | pirre: thanks :) |
| 15:03.51 | sanxiyn | A: Help! Nobody reads my blog! B: You should blog about it, then! |
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| 15:04.10 | Hiruky | hi |
| 15:04.19 | Hiruky | when using make menuconfig |
| 15:04.27 | Hiruky | is there a way to make it NOT use my old kernel settings |
| 15:04.35 | Hiruky | It automatically puts them in there |
| 15:04.45 | bob2 | bah |
| 15:04.48 | pirre | Hiruky: remove/rename the configuration file? |
| 15:04.50 | Kven | Just set new ones? :x |
| 15:04.54 | bob2 | not only did my d-link switch fail |
| 15:04.57 | Hiruky | hmm |
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| 15:05.00 | FieldySnuts | while in /usr/src/linux , rm .config ... copy that somewhere else just in case |
| 15:05.02 | bob2 | but now the d-link AP it was plugged into did too |
| 15:05.13 | Hiruky | i didn't put one in there to start with |
| 15:05.21 | Hiruky | That's what i dont' get |
| 15:05.22 | FieldySnuts | Hiruky: it's made when you save your settings |
| 15:05.33 | Hiruky | I'll try, thanks |
| 15:05.34 | Hiruky | ^)^ |
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| 15:05.49 | pirre | Hiruky: the kernel comes with a preconfigured configuration file |
| 15:05.57 | Hiruky | Oh okay |
| 15:06.01 | simonrvn | def_config |
| 15:06.05 | Hiruky | I'm having so much troulbe with this |
| 15:06.06 | Hiruky | =\ |
| 15:06.19 | Hiruky | lol |
| 15:06.28 | pirre | Hiruky: doing what? |
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| 15:06.33 | FieldySnuts | hitting enter less |
| 15:06.39 | Hiruky | My networking, sound, and keyboard\mouse have problems after using my custom compiled kernel |
| 15:06.40 | Phated | Clearly. |
| 15:06.45 | Hiruky | even the 2.6 image has problems |
| 15:06.50 | rbochan | Hiruky: clicky clicky... http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/kernel-pkg/index-kernel-pkg.html |
| 15:06.53 | bob2 | shockingly |
| 15:06.58 | bob2 | so don't use a custom kernel |
| 15:06.59 | Hiruky | I used that guide |
| 15:07.00 | Hiruky | it's nice |
| 15:07.04 | FieldySnuts | :( |
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| 15:07.10 | Hiruky | Yeah, but when the kernel-image doesn't work.... |
| 15:07.15 | nvz | eww |
| 15:07.18 | bob2 | Hiruky: in what way does it "not work"? |
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| 15:07.42 | Hiruky | can't connect to my network, sound not found by alsa, keyboard and mouse don't work until i press shift |
| 15:07.53 | Hiruky | i have all the alsa stuff installed btw |
| 15:07.55 | FieldySnuts | is it a dell system? |
| 15:07.59 | Hiruky | no |
| 15:08.02 | FieldySnuts | okay |
| 15:08.04 | sanxiyn | Which network card? |
| 15:08.05 | nvz | Compaq.. heh |
| 15:08.05 | Hiruky | It's a compa presario laptop |
| 15:08.08 | nvz | haha |
| 15:08.10 | nvz | I knew it |
| 15:08.10 | FieldySnuts | nvz: that's just mean |
| 15:08.12 | FieldySnuts | oh shit |
| 15:08.12 | Hiruky | A realtek 8139 |
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| 15:08.14 | rbochan | ish |
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| 15:08.21 | Hiruky | but the 2.4 image works great |
| 15:08.24 | Hiruky | except i need acpi |
| 15:08.28 | rbochan | then use the 2.4 image |
| 15:08.32 | Hiruky | Which isn't enabled by default |
| 15:08.36 | abrotman | 2.4 has acpi |
| 15:08.40 | Hiruky | not the image |
| 15:08.42 | rbochan | indeed it does |
| 15:08.46 | FieldySnuts | linux and laptops is so aggrivating, much more so on certain laptops (dell, compaq, hp) |
| 15:08.49 | Hiruky | I used that for my instal and it doesn't |
| 15:08.52 | rbochan | Hiruky: yes, it does.. I'm using it right now |
| 15:08.56 | Hiruky | Hmm |
| 15:08.59 | stew | Hiruky: it does |
| 15:09.06 | Hiruky | I chose 2.4 upon install |
| 15:09.13 | Hiruky | I'll just install it again.. |
| 15:09.14 | stew | sarge install? |
| 15:09.15 | rbochan | install acpid and let it load the modules it needs |
| 15:09.16 | Hiruky | yes |
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| 15:09.23 | sanxiyn | Install acpid. |
| 15:09.23 | Hiruky | rbochan: i have that |
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| 15:09.34 | sanxiyn | Well, worked for me. (Now using 2.6, btw) |
| 15:09.36 | Hiruky | It will not load up the modules |
| 15:09.39 | JohnFlux | FieldySnuts: it is aggrivating indeed. I installed linux on my laptop two days ago |
| 15:09.42 | Hiruky | Yeah, it works in 2.6 |
| 15:09.42 | rbochan | for me too, with 2.4 and 2.6 |
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| 15:09.57 | Hiruky | Can i install the 2.4-image along side the one i have now? |
| 15:09.58 | sanxiyn | Hiruky: It worked in 2.4 too. |
| 15:10.01 | rbochan | yes |
| 15:10.02 | nvz | I tried acpid once then ditched it. wasnt doing anything interesting at the time I used it |
| 15:10.03 | Hiruky | so i'd have two 2.4 images |
| 15:10.04 | Hiruky | okay |
| 15:10.06 | sanxiyn | Hiruky: Just install one. |
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| 15:10.14 | Hiruky | It's alrady selected though |
| 15:10.23 | Hiruky | I dont' think I can install the same one again |
| 15:10.34 | rbochan | you shoudn't need to |
| 15:10.41 | JohnFlux | FieldySnuts: my main problem is that the battery life is drastically reduced |
| 15:10.42 | rbochan | if it's installed, it's installed |
| 15:10.53 | Hiruky | The dialog says that it's not enabled in the kernel or not installed |
| 15:10.54 | JohnFlux | FieldySnuts: under windows its 2 hours, linux its less than 1 hour |
| 15:10.57 | Hiruky | and it is installed |
| 15:11.01 | tech13 | could anyone point me to a website for a way to script text extraction from a pdf? |
| 15:11.02 | rbochan | JohnFlux: really? on my crap-o-laptop old dell, it's much better |
| 15:11.03 | FieldySnuts | working on any laptop drives me insane anyway, i just dont' like them |
| 15:11.04 | Hiruky | cpu speed scaling |
| 15:11.19 | Hiruky | They have that in the 2.6 kernel |
| 15:11.21 | JohnFlux | rbochan: did you read the 2.6 kernel ticks? |
| 15:11.21 | simonrvn | 1-2 hours for a lappy battery? wtf |
| 15:11.28 | rbochan | nosir |
| 15:11.31 | sanxiyn | FieldySnuts: Laptops are GREAT! :-) |
| 15:11.32 | Hiruky | That's aweful |
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| 15:11.47 | rbochan | I get a little over 2 hours out of each of my batteries |
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| 15:11.56 | nvz | Hiruky: grep ACPI /boot/config-$(uname -r) | grep -v \# |
| 15:12.12 | rbochan | but then again, if I'm in battery mode, I kill a ton of stuff |
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| 15:12.52 | Hiruky | I'll try that |
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| 15:13.29 | Hiruky | I hope the 2.7 kernel will be better for my laptop when it comes out |
| 15:13.50 | nvz | Hiruky: if an when 2.7 comes out it will be a development kernel. |
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| 15:14.08 | nvz | Hiruky: you do not want to use odd numbered kernels, as you are not a kernel developer |
| 15:14.10 | Hiruky | oh |
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| 15:14.17 | Hiruky | didn't know that ^_^ |
| 15:14.19 | rutski89 | Hello, if I add some exim4 configuration files, such as /etc/exim4/conf.d/router/620_exim4-config_dspam, how do I know if exim is making use of them? |
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| 15:14.42 | sanxiyn | rutski89: Run update-exim4.conf |
| 15:14.47 | rutski89 | bleh |
| 15:14.51 | rutski89 | heh, lol, thanks :D |
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| 15:15.53 | rutski89 | sanxiyn: hmm, well... the spam filter still did not kick in |
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| 15:15.59 | sanxiyn | rutski89: Also, be sure to read /usr/share/exim4 |
| 15:16.01 | Roadrunner | hi, how can I get ntpdate working over tcp instead of udp |
| 15:16.04 | rutski89 | does anyone have any experience configuring dspam? |
| 15:16.04 | sanxiyn | oops |
| 15:16.06 | Roadrunner | ? |
| 15:16.10 | konki_ | anyone know where i can find a .deb file for firefox 1.0.5? |
| 15:16.10 | rutski89 | sanxiyn: oh, sure, brb |
| 15:16.12 | rezza | any easy way to get netscape navigator 4.x on sarge? |
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| 15:16.16 | sanxiyn | rutski89: I mean, /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz |
| 15:16.23 | krokas_ | hello, I have mixed different sources for the sources.list dependencies(ubuntu, testing, unstable). Now everything is broken. I there any way to return back to testing or stable? |
| 15:16.40 | krokas_ | I know that it's horrible :( |
| 15:16.46 | Ronin | krokas_: format and reinstall |
| 15:16.50 | rezza | krokas_: you were foolish doing that ;) |
| 15:16.55 | bobwJek | anyone know how to change the file size restriction of 65535 bytes for the facebrowser image? |
| 15:16.59 | sanxiyn | krokas_: Good luck. |
| 15:16.59 | petemc | rutski89: exim -bV , look at where the config file is, then check that |
| 15:17.09 | rbochan | tubunstable? |
| 15:17.12 | nvz | krokas_: use D-I this time instead of ubuntu |
| 15:17.19 | krokas_ | the only way is to format and reinstall ? :( |
| 15:17.38 | sanxiyn | krokas_: Maybe not, but perhaps PITA. |
| 15:17.38 | nvz | krokas_: ask in #ubuntu. Debian doesnt support downgrades |
| 15:17.47 | rbochan | krokas_: you can probably at least save your package listing |
| 15:18.08 | Hiruky | okay |
| 15:18.10 | Hiruky | here's the problem |
| 15:18.13 | Hiruky | it's marked as off |
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| 15:18.20 | rbochan | ... |
| 15:18.22 | rbochan | --- |
| 15:18.23 | rbochan | ... |
| 15:18.30 | Hiruky | lol |
| 15:18.33 | nvz | !ep |
| 15:18.34 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:18.36 | Hiruky | So i can go into my config file and change it? |
| 15:18.47 | konki_ | krokas_, try goin to this site >>>> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 |
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| 15:19.07 | konki_ | its about ubuntu repositories |
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| 15:19.27 | sanxiyn | What kind of Amazon River Pink Dolphin is that? |
| 15:19.47 | nvz | heh |
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| 15:21.13 | Bogaurd | i'm still running woody on my home server... besides the inconveniences when i want to install things, are there any real reasons i should update my trusty little server? |
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| 15:21.26 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: one that tends to purple |
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| 15:22.23 | rbochan | Bogaurd: you still have support until next june |
| 15:22.33 | nvz | Bogaurd: well if you want to continue to obtain security fixes in the future, then you had better upgrade before next year |
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| 15:23.33 | sanxiyn | Next June, or Release of etch, whichever comes first, to be exact. |
| 15:23.43 | nvz | Bogaurd: I'd personally spend between now and then reviewing the BTS and checking all critical packages you use. sarge isnt the most stable of stable releases I've seen in my days using debian |
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| 15:23.52 | Bogaurd | =) |
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| 15:24.16 | Bogaurd | i think i'll get the next release then... |
| 15:24.24 | vekpos | hello! i bought a new dvd and tried to play it, but totem refuses to open it and ogle is only able to play the sound - any ideas? |
| 15:24.26 | Bogaurd | i'm supposed to be studying hard this year. |
| 15:25.01 | nvz | dpkg, any ideas? |
| 15:25.01 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen rabid badgers. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 15:25.01 | nvz | :P |
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| 15:25.46 | vekpos | so? |
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| 15:27.15 | schnoopy | Hi! |
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| 15:27.44 | Hiruky | hi |
| 15:27.47 | schnoopy | gotta question, i wanna install debian on a usb device for a mipsel arch, but i can't fdo it from there |
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| 15:28.03 | schnoopy | so i wanna do it from my x86, cross install as described |
| 15:28.03 | Hiruky | In my config file, config_acpi_off is set as -y |
| 15:28.15 | Hiruky | If I change it to: is not set shoudl it work? |
| 15:28.20 | Hiruky | Or do I have to recompile my kernel |
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| 15:29.21 | goron | If I connect to my Windows Box via Konqueror (smb://machinename) and then go to some deep directory, it won't list the directories. I can go to an ever deeper directory if I put it in manually. Is this a bug of Konqueror? Or am I doing something wrong? |
| 15:29.23 | sanxiyn | Hiruky: Changing config-* has no effect for running kernel. |
| 15:29.32 | rob_lt | Hiruky, changes made to you config fi.... what sanxiyn said |
| 15:29.57 | greycat | goron: sounds like permissions |
| 15:30.00 | Hiruky | hmm |
| 15:30.04 | Hiruky | see so i do have to recompile it |
| 15:30.06 | schnoopy | How can i do that - it doesn't work, as debootstrap tries to exec just-installed files |
| 15:30.07 | Hiruky | Damn |
| 15:30.10 | schnoopy | ..mount |
| 15:30.16 | rob_lt | Hiruky, google for "grub acpi noacpi |
| 15:30.42 | rob_lt | you can disable acpi with grub, passing a kernel parameter during the boot process |
| 15:30.43 | goron | greycat: I logged in as Administrator via Samba. |
| 15:30.57 | bemused0 | goron: this might not be an answer, but i find konqueror does that to me alot, i press F5 and it refreshes, but its still sort of annoying |
| 15:31.02 | greycat | oh, right, windows/SMB. |
| 15:31.04 | greycat | ask #samba |
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| 15:31.18 | goron | #samba is mostly dead. |
| 15:31.26 | Hiruky | um |
| 15:31.30 | Hiruky | i need it enabled though |
| 15:31.32 | greycat | but not all the way dead? |
| 15:31.33 | goron | greycat: thxm though. |
| 15:32.06 | Hiruky | is there a grub setting so i can enable acpi? |
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| 15:32.22 | LordLamer | re |
| 15:32.32 | schnoopy | Hiruky: that should be done via kernel params, not via grub |
| 15:32.33 | LordLamer | so hab jetzt mit ndiswrapper den treiber für die wlankarte geladen |
| 15:32.46 | LordLamer | aber iwconfig sagt nun no wireless extensions |
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| 15:32.59 | Hiruky | schnoopy: I'd rather not have to recompile my kernel to enable this, is that what you are suggesting? |
| 15:33.02 | schnoopy | Hiruky: there should be docu in the Documentation-subdir |
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| 15:33.17 | sanxiyn | !de |
| 15:33.17 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 15:33.45 | schnoopy | Hiruky: if acpi is in but not on by default, yeah |
| 15:34.01 | schnoopy | the prob is that you can only have either acpi or apm |
| 15:34.12 | Hiruky | i only want one |
| 15:34.17 | Hiruky | and apm is disabled too |
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| 15:34.43 | schnoopy | so turn off apm ("apm=off") and acpi on ("acpi=on") |
| 15:34.47 | goron | greycat: I didn't share two partitions on Windows, but I can still see their contents. :? |
| 15:34.51 | Hiruky | okay thanks :) |
| 15:34.54 | schnoopy | is that a standard kernel ? |
| 15:35.05 | Hiruky | yes |
| 15:35.11 | schnoopy | k, you should try that then |
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| 15:35.58 | schnoopy | can anyone help on my problem? - install a mipsel sys cross from a x86 |
| 15:37.09 | schnoopy | debootstraps fails after a "chroot bla mount -t proc none proc" |
| 15:37.21 | bsims | anyone know howto read a OO.org file from the command line? I tried zcat foo|less but that didn't work |
| 15:37.27 | Hiruky | awesome |
| 15:37.31 | Hiruky | that worked, thanks schoopy :) |
| 15:37.45 | schnoopy | Hiruky: you're welcome :-) |
| 15:38.03 | sanxiyn | bsims: "read"? |
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| 15:38.19 | greycat | what kind of file is it? |
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| 15:38.46 | bobwJek | anyone know of a GUI utility simular to WinScp for linux |
| 15:38.47 | bobwJek | ? |
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| 15:38.56 | schnoopy | bsims: isn't that a tar.bz2, not a tar-gz ? |
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| 15:39.06 | vincent | bobwJek: learn to use scp, it will save you tons of time |
| 15:39.09 | dondelelcaro | bobwJek: you really don't need one. Just use scp |
| 15:39.21 | Cordovan | bobwJek: with kde you can use fish in the konqueror |
| 15:39.26 | dondelelcaro | if you think you do, use sftp and something like lftp |
| 15:39.28 | POVaddct | vincent: you can't browse with scp |
| 15:39.31 | rob_lt | bobwJek, gftp |
| 15:39.32 | bobwJek | vincent, dondelelcaro - i am fully aware of how to use scp |
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| 15:39.43 | vincent | cd ? |
| 15:39.43 | POVaddct | bobwJek: yafc |
| 15:39.46 | bsims | schnoopy: hrm wasn't sure |
| 15:39.53 | dondelelcaro | bobwJek: then why are you looking for a gui replacement? |
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| 15:40.08 | bobwJek | dondelelcaro, it's not for me |
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| 15:40.25 | dondelelcaro | well, perhaps the person who it is for should learn scp? |
| 15:40.31 | dondelelcaro | it really is fairly simple |
| 15:40.46 | sanxiyn | bobwJek: apt-cache search scp |
| 15:40.56 | dondelelcaro | gui file browsing abstractions come and go, but the command line is here to stay |
| 15:41.00 | goron | Windows error messages are really confusing. It could be because they are in my native language... |
| 15:41.04 | bobwJek | dondelelcaro, haha i know. They are not savy and dont know cmd line |
| 15:41.05 | bsims | schnoopy: so it is but anyideas how how to read the damned thing <g> |
| 15:41.08 | sanxiyn | bobwJek: You will see some GUI for scp that way. |
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| 15:41.59 | dondelelcaro | yes, the translation of computer error messages from english into other languages is guaranteed to be crappy |
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| 15:42.13 | bemused0 | k well i got jack in #grub and #lilo is gone..... do you guys know what might be causing me to not be able to overwrite my MBR (checked the bios , no virus protection etc.) the Deban install program managed to get lilo on it, but no menu, no console goes straight to linux, lilo -v at the console works and reports no errors, but also makes NO changes to the disk lilo -M -C fileblabla works also, but makes NO changes to the disk |
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| 15:42.29 | dondelelcaro | (luckily, most of Debian's translators keep the english alongside the localized error message where appropriate) |
| 15:42.32 | jessiejames | sanxiyn: GUI for scp??? not on my network |
| 15:42.33 | schnoopy | bsims: bzip2 -cd <file> | tar xv |
| 15:42.42 | schnoopy | or tar xvjf <file> |
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| 15:43.57 | krokas_ | In what way "apt-get upgrade" is different from "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 15:44.20 | traumator | how do you enable identd on debian sarge? |
| 15:44.21 | dondelelcaro | krokas_: quite a bit. read the manpage |
| 15:44.28 | dondelelcaro | traumator: by installing something that has identd |
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| 15:44.36 | azeem | krokas_: dist-upgrade might remove or add new packages, upgrade will only upgrade |
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| 15:44.51 | streuner | traumator: apt-cache search identd and install a package? |
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| 15:45.44 | krokas_ | ok, thanks |
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| 15:46.09 | ShiShi | i have kernel panic with /sbin/init 432 can't open /dev/console , i check my initrd in grub is ok |
| 15:46.09 | bemused0 | any ideas on the MBR thing? i know it sounds simple but its really frustrating heh |
| 15:46.36 | kamaraju | Do I need to have ide-scsi loaded on a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 15:46.44 | ShiShi | and initrd-tools installed ....so i don't see where is the error |
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| 15:46.51 | kbrooks | I want to edit the sudo message. |
| 15:46.54 | rbochan | bemused0: by default, if there's only one kernel listed, lilo doesn't show a menu |
| 15:47.09 | rbochan | not unless you edit the config and tell it to do so |
| 15:47.20 | kbrooks | The message it prints when you sudo |
| 15:47.36 | petemc | bemused0: head -c512 /dev/hda | strings | grep -Ei '(grub|lilo)' |
| 15:47.37 | bemused0 | rbochan: thats the wierdness, ive manually edited th config to add my windows partition, as well as a mandrake partition..it wont update the MBR |
| 15:47.51 | bemused0 | petemc, which will do what? |
| 15:47.52 | rbochan | well.. you didn't say that |
| 15:48.08 | bemused0 | hehe sorry, i guess i should have elaborated b4 waiting for a response |
| 15:48.21 | bemused0 | but my edits are correct |
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| 15:48.27 | bemused0 | lilo -v will back it up |
| 15:48.30 | bemused0 | and gives no errors |
| 15:48.35 | bemused0 | but it doesnt make changes either |
| 15:48.37 | rbochan | does your hard drive come with those anti-write tabs like floppies? ;) |
| 15:48.44 | bemused0 | haha |
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| 15:48.50 | bemused0 | its just a regular sata drive |
| 15:49.10 | bemused0 | its debian's / partition too, so i know its working |
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| 15:50.01 | petemc | bemused0: man head, man strings, man grep |
| 15:50.05 | muntyan | hi there. is here someone with amd64 and debian sarge willing to test './configure; make' in one program? |
| 15:50.18 | bemused0 | hehe grep i got, head and strings are new |
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| 15:50.34 | ducky | what is the difference between mysql-server and mysql-server-4.1 ? |
| 15:50.56 | jharrisonwk | ducky: mysql-server is 4.0 and mysql-server-4.1 is well 4.1 |
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| 15:51.29 | plb | anyone try xorg from unstable yet? |
| 15:51.36 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 15:51.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:51.36 | rbochan | bwahahhahaa |
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| 15:51.52 | plb | heh |
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| 15:51.59 | kbrooks | plb: why? |
| 15:52.11 | plb | well anyone who use it have it complain about cannot move log files |
| 15:52.16 | kbrooks | greycat, and you mean..........? |
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| 15:52.44 | kos_tom | I'm packaging a software. In it, there are some internals binaries that do not have any manpage, so Lintian complains. What is the right (tm) thing to do ? Have a Lintian override, or write dummy manpages stating that the binary is an internal tool ? |
| 15:52.56 | bemused0 | petemc: thanks, i man'd them accordingly, those commands still echo GRUB despite the fact that i've installed lilo (which is further proof that its just not writing to the MBR) |
| 15:53.10 | plb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.38 | reco | hi there, i want to control the sftp connections via webmin on my debian box. i have installed vsftp and the webmin module but the sftp connections are running on sftp wich seems to be a different service. ist there a module for sftp? |
| 15:53.44 | greycat | plb: why can't it? |
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| 15:54.02 | petemc | bemused0: what do you have boot= set to in lilo.conf? |
| 15:54.06 | greycat | /var file system read-only? |
| 15:54.26 | bemused0 | /dev/sda (which is the first boot drive) |
| 15:54.31 | bemused0 | so its writing to the right drive |
| 15:54.45 | rbochan | no, it's not apparently writing to anything |
| 15:54.53 | DoppelGanger | ha ah control sftp with webmin |
| 15:55.16 | rbochan | !webmin |
| 15:55.16 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 15:55.21 | rutski89 | i made 2 new configuration files, /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/40_exim4-config_dspam and /etc/exim4/conf.d/router/620_exim4-config_dspam how do I get exim to use them? |
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| 15:55.40 | petemc | rutski89: not want to read? |
| 15:56.18 | rutski89 | petemc: heh, yea, I'm leaving soon, just though that i'd put this up again in more detail and see if someone had a quick answer |
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| 15:56.35 | rutski89 | petemc: sorry for bugging you again, i'll read it now |
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| 15:57.17 | ducky | how do you read doc files that are gziped with vi with out running gunzip first? |
| 15:57.20 | Hiruky | hwo do i reinstall grub from the debian install ce? |
| 15:57.22 | Hiruky | cd |
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| 15:58.05 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 15:58.11 | jharrisonwk | reco: sftp does not work with vsftpd? |
| 15:58.13 | greycat | Hiruky: grub-install /dev/hda or whatever |
| 15:58.14 | DoppelGanger | questions are getting better |
| 15:58.26 | rbochan | Hiruky: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 15:58.26 | greycat | Hiruky: after chrooting into your install, etc. |
| 15:58.26 | Hiruky | from the boot on the installer cd? |
| 15:58.42 | ducky | vi Readme.debaian.gz, doesn't work |
| 15:58.45 | jons | \q |
| 15:58.51 | greycat | ducky: zless |
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| 15:59.13 | quittt | DoppelGanger, you here? |
| 15:59.15 | Hiruky | better yet, there is a command to reconfigure grub isn't there? right now it's booting grub off the wrong hard drive |
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| 15:59.19 | ducky | greycat: thanks |
| 15:59.19 | neper | teste |
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| 15:59.42 | ducky | greycat: isn't there also a flag for vi to read gzipped files |
| 15:59.43 | neper | ok |
| 15:59.48 | slaviero | tc |
| 15:59.49 | reco | jharrisonwk: when i turn off vsftp i still can connect with my sftp client to the server. and when i do a ps -aux | grep ftp i see that the service i use is sftp-server. same thing when i start vsftp sftp-server is used and not vsftp. do you know how i can use vsftp server as default? |
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| 16:00.01 | ducky | greycat looked in man vi and didn't find one |
| 16:00.04 | slaviero | oi |
| 16:00.09 | bemused0 | petemc: i figured out how to blank my MBR with dd, but before i do that, is there a way i can backup its partition table? |
| 16:00.23 | slaviero | sou brasileiro |
| 16:00.36 | asg | !br |
| 16:00.36 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:00.38 | slaviero | eu naum sei falar inguels |
| 16:00.41 | petemc | bemused0: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 16:00.42 | bemused0 | partd? |
| 16:00.58 | vezult | isnt epic4 supposed to load ~/.ircrc or /etc/epic4/default.irc when I run it? |
| 16:01.04 | slaviero | oi |
| 16:01.04 | jharrisonwk | DoppelGanger: should I tell him? |
| 16:01.13 | bemused0 | petemc: i just want a working lilo install with a menu on it, righ now its still grub (which ony installd when i CHANGED partition tables) |
| 16:01.15 | DoppelGanger | jharrisonwk: no |
| 16:01.22 | DoppelGanger | don't ruin my fun |
| 16:01.27 | slaviero | oi |
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| 16:01.44 | bemused0 | like, in the debian installer, i moved about 200megs just to make it change the partition table, and that DID write to MBR (at which point i'd also selected grub) |
| 16:01.54 | petemc | bemused0: i dont suppose you're trying to run lilo from a rescue disk or some such? |
| 16:01.59 | bemused0 | seems like a lame way to make it write the MBR |
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| 16:02.11 | bemused0 | petemc: no, im here in debian, booted trying this at the console |
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| 16:03.08 | bemused0 | so at this point, if i can figure out how to get a copy of my partition table and then try to blank the mbr put lilo on fresh, something. |
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| 16:03.33 | jharrisonwk | DoppelGanger: ok |
| 16:03.35 | rbochan | bemused0: what makes you think lilo will write to the mbr once you blank it if it isn't writing to it now? |
| 16:03.51 | petemc | bemused0: lilo would just overwrite anything that was there if you told it to |
| 16:03.52 | bemused0 | rbochan: you're right, nothing, but i dont know what to try... |
| 16:03.59 | bemused0 | that's what i would think |
| 16:04.26 | bemused0 | liloconfig completes with no errors, |
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| 16:04.30 | rbochan | I wish I knew more about sata to help you, but I have no experience with it |
| 16:04.35 | bemused0 | head still echo's GRUB |
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| 16:04.55 | bemused0 | hmm Mandrake installer hd this issue too |
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| 16:05.15 | bemused0 | only when i made a slight change to the partition table did it actually write the disk |
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| 16:05.21 | bemused0 | guess i'll have to do that again |
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| 16:06.04 | schnoopy | can i change the dir where debootstrap searches for the files that are in /usr/lib by default ? |
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| 16:06.15 | azeem | schnoopy: ? |
| 16:06.29 | azeem | schnoopy: you can tell it to use a script other than the ones in /usr/lib |
| 16:06.49 | schnoopy | azeem: Can't open /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions |
| 16:07.04 | [BLACKBOY] | !list |
| 16:07.04 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 16:07.07 | schnoopy | that's what i get - as i can only install debootstrap into /usr/local |
| 16:07.09 | azeem | schnoopy: why can't you open it? |
| 16:07.17 | azeem | oh |
| 16:07.17 | schnoopy | i can., but it's not there |
| 16:07.29 | schnoopy | it's an embedded device |
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| 16:07.38 | azeem | schnoopy: so modify debootstrap in /usr/local to look in /usr/locak? |
| 16:07.40 | azeem | eh, locl |
| 16:07.45 | azeem | eh, local, damnit |
| 16:07.47 | schnoopy | azeem: how ? |
| 16:07.52 | schnoopy | change the bin ? |
| 16:07.54 | [BLACKBOY] | !list |
| 16:07.54 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 16:07.57 | azeem | schnoopy: it's a script |
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| 16:08.02 | azeem | if you manage to install it there, you should also be able to change it |
| 16:08.03 | schnoopy | azeem: aaaaaaaaaah |
| 16:08.03 | schnoopy | cool |
| 16:08.04 | schnoopy | ok |
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| 16:08.24 | lilliput | hi all |
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| 16:09.06 | schnoopy | azeem: thnx, i'll give that a try |
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| 16:09.17 | schnoopy | hope the other scripts in lib do respect that change... |
| 16:09.23 | lilliput | got a pb to traceroute it's working on same computer with another distrib, but not in my debian was wondering what could affect the traceroute ? |
| 16:09.25 | gentgeen__ | Does anyone know of a non-KDE/Qt equivalent to "kruler"? |
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| 16:11.36 | mhale | hi alll |
| 16:11.47 | _AxS_ | Hey all.. i can't seem to find this in the manpage.. if i do an aptitude search, what does the 'v' and the 'p' mean beside the packages? |
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| 16:12.50 | mhale | i cant install the kde-devel package on debian sarge. can anyone else do it? im trying to figure out if my install is borked or not |
| 16:13.14 | simonrvn | because there isn't any such thing |
| 16:13.20 | schnoopy | fked up, that ES firmware doesn't have a wc... |
| 16:14.08 | mhale | simonrvn: you talking to me? |
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| 16:14.54 | simonrvn | mhale: yes. there is no kde-devel, you probably want kdelibs-dev or such. apt-cache search |
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| 16:15.38 | _AxS_ | nobody uses aptitide search? |
| 16:15.50 | mhale | apt-cache search is what told me kde-devel exists |
| 16:16.18 | mhale | kdelibs4-dev doesnt work either |
| 16:16.49 | simonrvn | oh, ok, that's a meta-package |
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| 16:17.03 | csdgp | mhale: are you getting an error when you try to install the package? |
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| 16:17.26 | simonrvn | and what do you mean it doesn't work? doesn't do what? your laundry? |
| 16:17.54 | raf256 | if Im not using any _treal_ SCASII devices (but I DO use SATA, CD-REC, DVD) - can I skip all SCASII drivers in kernel totally? |
| 16:17.57 | zinx | clearly, it is the dishes that it will not do. |
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| 16:18.26 | simonrvn | well, then it needs its butt kicked ;p |
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| 16:18.43 | _AxS_ | as long as it does windows its ok in my books.. :) |
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| 16:19.00 | simonrvn | wth is a SCASII device? |
| 16:19.04 | teprrr | hum, so, is there much xorg stuff still going in or is it working already? |
| 16:19.19 | simonrvn | Works Here(tm) |
| 16:19.40 | teprrr | it seems that at least include paths have changed, no? |
| 16:19.48 | teprrr | can't compile quake2 anymore :/ |
| 16:20.01 | Vamped | is it possible to replace xfree with xorg on sarge? |
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| 16:21.18 | PeTeRB | Vamped: Check backports.org |
| 16:22.02 | plb | anyone get errors about moving log files when starting xorg as a user? |
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| 16:22.38 | Vamped | should i just switch to sid for home desktop use of debian? |
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| 16:22.55 | dondelelcaro | Vamped: probably not. |
| 16:23.13 | slimm | hello |
| 16:23.32 | slimm | wanna chat |
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| 16:23.52 | Vamped | peterb i dont see xorg at backports |
| 16:23.54 | spoofer_ | hi all I have just installed a new debian testing and when trying to compile a new kernel I get lots of error messages... What could be wrong? |
| 16:24.09 | schnoopy | azeem: ok, problem |
| 16:24.16 | Vamped | o wait its in the news |
| 16:24.18 | PeTeRB | Vamped: Read the top news post. |
| 16:24.27 | schnoopy | debopotstrap needs tr, but the one in coreutils doesn't work isolated |
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| 16:24.30 | schnoopy | any ideas? |
| 16:24.44 | dondelelcaro | spoofer_: probably because you're trying to use gcc-4 or similar; alternatively you could actually tell us what the errors are. |
| 16:24.48 | Pr0ph3t | how to know if i am using udev or devfs ? |
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| 16:24.57 | schnoopy | (installing for a mipsel maching from a x86 is fine too, but i got no clue how i could do that) |
| 16:25.26 | ducky | doesn't apachectl work on debian sarge? |
| 16:25.37 | azeem | schnoopy: debootstrap in unstable has limited cross-bootstrapping support |
| 16:25.54 | mhale | csdgp: the error it gives is along the lines of package depends on <package>, but it is not going to be installed. there are a lot of packages listed |
| 16:25.56 | schnoopy | azeem: hm... running unstable here |
| 16:26.01 | schnoopy | should give that a try |
| 16:26.02 | simonrvn | ducky: of course it does |
| 16:26.07 | azeem | schnoopy: downloading and extracting will take place on the host, you reboot into it and run debootstrap from there |
| 16:26.25 | ducky | simonrvn: I'm getting command not found. Hmmmm |
| 16:26.25 | azeem | in your case, you might be able to tar up what debootstrap does to the partition and copy it over to the mipsel box, dunno |
| 16:26.30 | mhale | apt-get -f install with no package parameter appears to be downloading a lot of the things that were not going to be installed |
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| 16:26.44 | Vamped | how do i install the .gz xorg is in again? |
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| 16:27.03 | spoofer_ | dondelelcaro: I don't think I have gcc-4 installed, the errors I get are: scripts/basic/fixdep.c:105:23: sys/types.h : Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 16:27.03 | spoofer_ | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:106:22: sys/stat.h : Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 16:27.03 | spoofer_ | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:107:22: sys/mman.h : Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
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| 16:27.09 | spoofer_ | sorry about that |
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| 16:27.28 | dondelelcaro | spoofer_: you haven't installed build-essential and kernel-package. Install them, then try again. |
| 16:27.42 | dondelelcaro | spoofer_: and when reporting errors, please use LANG=C foocmd; |
| 16:27.54 | simonrvn | ducky: apache-utils IIRC |
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| 16:28.15 | simonrvn | apache-common |
| 16:28.18 | spoofer_ | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
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| 16:30.36 | mwelsh | is google down? |
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| 16:30.45 | simonrvn | no |
| 16:30.48 | Vyrus001 | LOL NO |
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| 16:30.57 | schnoopy | azeem: sorry, was on the phone... |
| 16:30.59 | mwelsh | i keep getting connection refused |
| 16:30.59 | goron | I connected via smbclient to a share. Then I cd to a couple of directories. In each directory, the ls command works. Then when I change to another non-empty directory, smbclient basically hangs. |
| 16:31.04 | schnoopy | azeem: how do you mean... ? |
| 16:31.14 | goron | I get no error message, whatsoever. |
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| 16:31.19 | mwelsh | weak |
| 16:31.35 | schnoopy | azeem: how can i make use of these "cross-bootstrapping" features ? |
| 16:32.06 | SeerKan | hello .. i want to install gmake on debian ... can someone tell me what should i do ? i am a beginner and i need gmake for gnuworld |
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| 16:32.16 | greycat | !gmake |
| 16:32.17 | dpkg | i heard gmake is the GNU make, or ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make or ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/local/bin/gmake |
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| 16:32.29 | greycat | ftp:// BLEH! |
| 16:32.36 | possie | anyone know how i can force which modules need to be included in the initrd file? |
| 16:32.37 | goron | greycat: Doesn't Debian use gmake by default. |
| 16:32.42 | greycat | yes. |
| 16:32.50 | Vamped | how do i install the xorg from backports.com? |
| 16:33.05 | greycat | dpkg, gmake =~ s#ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make#http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/# |
| 16:33.06 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 16:33.13 | streuner | Vamped: get nobse's backports |
| 16:33.13 | SeerKan | greycat: i thout so to ... but i see i need it ... |
| 16:33.20 | greycat | !gmake |
| 16:33.25 | Vamped | i did, but how do i install it? |
| 16:33.31 | dpkg | gmake is probably the GNU make, or http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/ or ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/local/bin/gmake |
| 16:34.11 | Vamped | i added the line to my sources.list but in synaptic it says it cant stat the location |
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| 16:34.24 | greycat | which line? |
| 16:34.35 | simonrvn | @gmake =~ s#ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make#http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/# |
| 16:34.35 | ravenbird | simonrvn: OK |
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| 16:34.43 | ducky | why in the heck isn't apachectl found |
| 16:34.48 | Vamped | deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
| 16:34.50 | ducky | I did the web server install |
| 16:34.53 | ducky | wtf |
| 16:34.55 | ducky | :) |
| 16:34.58 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.12 | greycat | Vamped: and did an apt-get update? |
| 16:35.22 | simonrvn | ducky: dpkg -l apache-common |
| 16:35.27 | SeerKan | greycat: i wget the arhive ... but how do i install it ? |
| 16:35.30 | Vamped | dont think i did, how do i? |
| 16:35.36 | greycat | you type apt-get update |
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| 16:35.51 | greycat | SeerKan: you are CLUELESS! |
| 16:35.55 | greycat | !smite SeerKan |
| 16:36.12 | ducky | simonrvn: then what? |
| 16:36.20 | Vamped | thankyou greycat |
| 16:36.22 | greycat | SeerKan: IF YOU REALLY THINK YOU MUST TYPE A 'g' ON THE FRONT OF YOUR MAKE COMMANDS, THEN READ THE ln -s PART OF THE FACTOID! |
| 16:36.24 | simonrvn | what's it say? ii ? |
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| 16:36.36 | greycat | my GOD. |
| 16:36.44 | greycat | how much more explicit can we make it? |
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| 16:37.02 | simonrvn | EVEN MORE SO ;p |
| 16:37.25 | raf256 | in kernel I can disable most SCASII things because it is for true scasii, not for SATA? |
| 16:37.37 | simonrvn | raf256: SCSI not SCASII |
| 16:37.49 | goron | greycat: If you would have a interface to SeerKan's motor functions, you could. |
| 16:37.50 | SeerKan | greycat: i don't weant only to type a g in front i need it for am aplication for ircd |
| 16:38.02 | greycat | Clueless *and* stupid. |
| 16:38.38 | SeerKan | greycat: keep comments to yourself ... i told you i'm a beginner ... |
| 16:38.58 | schnoopy | azeem: still here ? |
| 16:39.13 | raf256 | SeerKan: what archive did you wget? if .tgz then probably upack it (gunzip FILENAME or tar -xzf FILENAME) then probably make && make isntall or ./confiugre && make or just read files named probably like READ ReadMe INSTALL and so on |
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| 16:39.23 | teprrr | failed: libglut.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:39.27 | teprrr | what've replaced this? |
| 16:39.28 | SeerKan | it's my first time with linux... so please a litle respect... i don't think u knwe everithing when you where born |
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| 16:39.37 | greycat | I knew how to fucking *read*. |
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| 16:39.51 | greycat | well, not at birth, but certainly before touching a unix system |
| 16:39.54 | streuner | teprrr: read 'gravity's blog |
| 16:39.56 | raf256 | !guerinsmite SeerKan |
| 16:40.10 | teprrr | streuner, url? |
| 16:40.27 | Vamped | after i install org should i restart? |
| 16:40.35 | Vamped | xorg |
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| 16:40.37 | azeem | schnoopy: you can pass debootstrap the --arch option |
| 16:41.07 | streuner | teprrr: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/ |
| 16:41.10 | schnoopy | azeem: i know, but debootstrap then executes "chroot <dest-dir> mount -t proc none /proc" |
| 16:41.16 | teprrr | streuner, ah. thank you |
| 16:41.21 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: guerinsmite (.*?) =~ s/from internet/from the internet/ |
| 16:41.21 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'from internet', greycat |
| 16:41.22 | schnoopy | azeem: hmmmmmmmmmmm, won't work from my x86 box |
| 16:41.23 | WoodsDog | how do i get dig to act like older versions of dig? when i do a dig mx example.com it just spits out the mx name..before it would give me additional info that would include the ip. |
| 16:41.26 | greycat | hrm. |
| 16:41.35 | PeTeRB | ducky: Try /usr/sbin/apachectl |
| 16:41.52 | greycat | !factinfo CMD: guerinsmite (.*?) |
| 16:41.52 | dpkg | CMD: guerinsmite (.*?) -- created by raf256_ <~raf256@193.25.2.66> 3d 18h 51m 52s ago. |
| 16:41.53 | schnoopy | and i haven't yet managed to get my pstwo running w linux ;-) (mipsel too...) |
| 16:41.58 | azeem | schnoopy: that's already second_stage_install |
| 16:41.58 | greycat | ah, that explains it. |
| 16:42.09 | raf256 | greycat: wasnt that obvious :P |
| 16:42.11 | azeem | we have to figure out whether/how to make it abort before that |
| 16:42.24 | greycat | the "studdy" told me guerin certainly did not make this one. |
| 16:42.25 | raf256 | greycat: but also I reccomend to stop making "fun" of typos and/or spelling mistakes. |
| 16:42.28 | schnoopy | azeem: ah - can i explicitly just exec the first/second stage ? |
| 16:42.30 | grigora | what signal do I send to a process vi a kill to stop it (Ctrl Z)? thanks |
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| 16:42.48 | greycat | raf256: I'm not making fun of them. I'm trying to fix them. But when they're this numerous, it's a herculean labor. |
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| 16:43.03 | raf256 | greycat: well, be like a demigod \o/ |
| 16:43.06 | teprrr | streuner, hmm. actually that doesn't solve my problem.. I can compile my apps again, but the include paths or something else has changed and correct files aren't found anymore |
| 16:43.09 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.09 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.30 | azeem | schnoopy: did debootstrap copy stuff into the chroot? |
| 16:43.38 | azeem | I think it's a top-level direcotry |
| 16:43.39 | raf256 | grigora: man kill perhaps the STOP signal? |
| 16:43.56 | ale-mtx | hi can someone tell me where does debian store what window manager do i use by default ? |
| 16:43.58 | azeem | schnoopy: maybe try again with --foreign |
| 16:44.07 | greycat | ale-mtx: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 16:44.16 | ale-mtx | thanks greycat |
| 16:44.20 | raf256 | ale-mtx: dunno, but echo "exec kdestart" > ~/.xstartrc perhaps |
| 16:44.23 | teprrr | streuner, /t |
| 16:44.24 | schnoopy | azeem: it did copy some stuff, created some dirs (var) |
| 16:44.27 | teprrr | arara |
| 16:44.27 | schnoopy | azeem: k |
| 16:44.31 | schnoopy | will try foreign |
| 16:44.47 | azeem | schnoopy: there should be something like $CHROOT/debootstrap or so |
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| 16:45.08 | azeem | which has a script you'll execute with --second-stage after reboot |
| 16:45.16 | azeem | (never tried this myself, btw) |
| 16:45.39 | aliumalik | yay finally installed the cisco vpn client :P |
| 16:45.55 | clown1 | seppy: are you in the hacklab now? |
| 16:46.16 | schnoopy | azeem: didn't come that far, will try the --foreign first, then put the hdd into my router and do the --second-stage |
| 16:46.19 | schnoopy | thnx |
| 16:46.21 | schnoopy | i'll try that |
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| 16:48.18 | SeerKan | 10x raf256 ... u where helpful... not like greycat :) |
| 16:48.51 | grigora | raf256: thanks |
| 16:48.51 | raf256 | SeerKan: in some rare cases its apparently like this ;) |
| 16:48.59 | SeerKan | but... i did tar zxvf... cd .... ./configure .. make ... make install ... |
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| 16:49.26 | SeerKan | and... : gmake: command not found |
| 16:49.39 | SeerKan | did i do something wrong ? |
| 16:49.42 | Schiz0 | I didn't know there was a gmake command. |
| 16:49.45 | gorby | Hi there, what is the name of the porn program thats good for generateing thumbnails and stuff? |
| 16:49.46 | teprrr | streuner, actually I'm missing this file: xf86vmode.h |
| 16:50.10 | teprrr | streuner, pdo and wajig says it's in xlibs-static-dev, but it's not |
| 16:50.35 | empty | How do I enable a screensaver of some sort in WDM? |
| 16:50.40 | SeerKan | raf256: ... look a litle higher ... did i do something wrong ? |
| 16:50.53 | simonrvn | SeerKan: man ln |
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| 16:51.16 | raf256 | SeerKan: did you unpacked the file? after that use commend: ls or ls -l to see unpaced files in the first place |
| 16:51.26 | pablum | gorby, oh that's so funny. apt-cache search thumbnail | grep porn |
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| 16:51.46 | SeerKan | raf256: yes |
| 16:51.49 | raf256 | if there is file like README Readme INSTALL and so on, read it using: less README (or simmilar) |
| 16:51.54 | Hiruky | Hey |
| 16:52.00 | Hiruky | How can i reinstall grub? |
| 16:52.11 | Hiruky | I have the debian network install right nwo |
| 16:52.13 | Hiruky | cd* |
| 16:52.13 | schnoopy | azeem: ok, the foreign worked w/o any problems |
| 16:52.22 | raf256 | Hiruky: start grub and give commend... like AFAIR "setup" (check man first) |
| 16:52.29 | SeerKan | raf256: then i did ./configure ... then make ... then make install ... |
| 16:52.30 | Hiruky | I can't get to that |
| 16:52.33 | Hiruky | I get error22 |
| 16:52.34 | raf256 | also /j #grub |
| 16:52.39 | schnoopy | Hiruky: yeah, but make sure to set "root" first |
| 16:52.41 | raf256 | Hiruky: best ask $grub |
| 16:52.45 | geordie | Hiruky: update-grub? |
| 16:52.59 | raf256 | SeerKan: so it should work, where there any errors reported? |
| 16:53.00 | azeem | schnoopy: you got a debootstrappy top-level dir in the chroot? |
| 16:53.02 | Hiruky | nope |
| 16:53.06 | Hiruky | =\ |
| 16:53.11 | Hiruky | I get error 22 when i boot up |
| 16:53.14 | Hiruky | that's all i get |
| 16:53.16 | Hiruky | i can't do anything |
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| 16:53.22 | schnoopy | azeem: true |
| 16:53.25 | schnoopy | so what now... |
| 16:53.28 | azeem | cool |
| 16:53.28 | raf256 | Hiruky: use a livecd like knoppix and boot from it, then run "grub" (program) and use it |
| 16:53.29 | gorby | pablum: :P thx :) |
| 16:53.34 | Hiruky | Okay |
| 16:53.37 | Hiruky | that's what i'm getting now |
| 16:53.38 | Hiruky | :) |
| 16:53.47 | Hiruky | 37% done |
| 16:53.48 | Hiruky | ^_^ |
| 16:53.57 | azeem | get that on your mipsel machine, reboot into it and run debootstrap from there with --second-stage (I guess) |
| 16:53.59 | pablum | gorby, I'd have sworn before running it that nothing would show up... |
| 16:54.01 | SeerKan | raf256: not any i could see... :| |
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| 16:54.16 | SeerKan | raf256: but when i type gmake ... command not found... |
| 16:54.20 | schnoopy | azeem: would've been my guess too... |
| 16:54.23 | azeem | schnoopy: maybe check the debootstrap source to see what it expects |
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| 16:54.26 | schnoopy | just give it a try :-) |
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| 16:54.53 | raf256 | SeerKan: so if there was no error... what is the problem? |
| 16:55.03 | empty | How do I enable a screensaver of some sort in WDM? |
| 16:55.08 | raf256 | SeerKan: you are compiling gmake from source? |
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| 16:55.36 | overcool | IL Y HA UN BRESILIEN ICI? |
| 16:55.39 | gentgeen__ | Trying to compile a program that is looking for "gtk+-2.0" what package do I need to install? |
| 16:55.39 | SeerKan | from the link u gave me : http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/ |
| 16:55.50 | SeerKan | make-3.80.tar.gz |
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| 16:56.00 | overcool | J'HABITE A PARIS |
| 16:56.21 | schnoopy | azeem: hm, should be fine... |
| 16:56.31 | Schiz0 | SeerKan- Just install from apt-get. |
| 16:56.38 | overcool | ET JE VEUX PARTER AVEC QUELQUE GENS... |
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| 16:56.42 | v0L7r[-]n | 14 hours to download debian 8.5gb with jigdo |
| 16:56.43 | SeerKan | apt-get install ?? |
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| 16:56.46 | simonrvn | SeerKan: wtf aren't you installing it via apt-get? |
| 16:56.47 | raf256 | SeerKan: apt-get install gmake |
| 16:56.47 | Cerop | anybody here know how to get a dial up connection via a motorola v600 handset and linux using bluetooth? |
| 16:56.54 | Schiz0 | SeerKan- What are you trying to install? |
| 16:57.03 | raf256 | !wayttd SeerKan |
| 16:57.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, SeerKan? |
| 16:57.12 | SeerKan | becouse :apt-get install gmake |
| 16:57.14 | empty | !fr |
| 16:57.14 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 16:57.20 | simonrvn | linux make == gmake; make the fucking symlink already and run your damned Makefile with it... |
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| 16:57.29 | SeerKan | becouse : E: Couldn't find package gmake |
| 16:57.31 | raf256 | empty: oh, france... I was wondering what language was that |
| 16:57.50 | simonrvn | SeerKan: make in linux == gmake... |
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| 16:58.11 | raf256 | SeerKan: just run that: ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/bin/gmake |
| 16:58.15 | simonrvn | greycat went over this with you ... |
| 16:58.24 | SeerKan | simonrvn: i tryed to install gnuworld and asked me to install gmake |
| 16:58.25 | raf256 | if indeed make == gmake as simonrvn said |
| 16:58.32 | simonrvn | it is.. |
| 16:58.52 | simonrvn | @gmake |
| 16:58.52 | ravenbird | well, gmake is the GNU make, or http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/ or ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/local/bin/gmake |
| 16:59.02 | schnoopy | azeem: if i had the latest version of debootstrap on my router... |
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| 16:59.32 | schnoopy | i should definitely make the result accessable - that's real brainfk... |
| 16:59.36 | yoo | i want to exclude some directory to my tape archive with tar iread man pages and i conclude about this option : |
| 16:59.43 | yoo | -exclude= |
| 16:59.50 | simonrvn | i hope they're nourishing at least ;p |
| 16:59.51 | yoo | EXCLUDE="/mnt/sauvegarde/backup_simpson/games /mnt/sauvegarde/bin/et* /mnt/sauvegard |
| 16:59.51 | yoo | e/bin/quake3*" |
| 16:59.59 | yoo | tar -cvpf /dev/st0 /mnt/sauvegarde --exclude=$EXCLUDE |
| 17:00.15 | yoo | But this script doesn't work |
| 17:00.21 | yoo | an ideas ? |
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| 17:02.13 | asg | yoo: use multiple --exclude=PATTERN options or put them in a file and use --exclude-from=FILE |
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| 17:02.28 | yoo | asg : ok |
| 17:02.30 | yoo | thanks |
| 17:02.33 | loocek | how to display lines from file which begin without '#' ? |
| 17:02.37 | gorby | pablum: lol just read the man page for pornview 'all features can be controlled with one hand' |
| 17:02.44 | asg | loocek: grep -v ^# file |
| 17:03.19 | reco | is there any way to chroot for users connection via sftp into their home dir? thanx reco |
| 17:03.23 | fantomas | Hi all. Just got very interesting URL. Keyboard with keys which display their current function: http://www.artlebedev.ru/portfolio/optimus/ -- what do you think about this? Is it really new or there are similar projects? |
| 17:03.50 | asg | reco: pam_chroot |
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| 17:03.59 | simonrvn | might want to wrap that ^# in quotes |
| 17:04.10 | raf256 | reco: yeah, vsftp have option for that... but I reccomend to use scponly (apt-get install rscponly) and set it as user login shell (for making SCP-only accounts) |
| 17:04.58 | loocek | asg: thanks |
| 17:05.33 | reco | asg raf256 thanx |
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| 17:05.44 | Kupal[] | my setup is debian running under xen, im getting an error about "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console", does anyone know what the error relates to if it wasn't xen, as this is new to me.. |
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| 17:06.33 | schnoopy | azeem: the box is busy now :-) |
| 17:06.55 | reco | raf256: you mean scponly right? |
| 17:07.05 | raf256 | reco: yea |
| 17:07.18 | reco | raf256: thanx |
| 17:07.21 | raf256 | np |
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| 17:10.36 | hax | does anyone know how to get of the aol spam blacklist? |
| 17:11.07 | simonrvn | try one of the DNSBL sites |
| 17:11.25 | simonrvn | spamhaus.org, spamcop.org (?), etc. |
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| 17:12.27 | SoulVoid | Hello, I'm trying to authenticate my sarge client box against active directory and getent passwd does not return anything but local accounts. getent shadow on the other hand pulls all the ldap accounts and the local accounts. Both passwd and shadow are set to 'files ldap' in my nsswitch.conf, any ideas? |
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| 17:13.41 | reco | raf256: do you know a how to for scponly? |
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| 17:14.12 | raf256 | reco: after install just set it as a login shell for given accounts (hat will be used ONLY for (S)ftp access) |
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| 17:14.27 | raf256 | there are configs in /etc/ perhaps /etc/scponly |
| 17:14.39 | reco | thanx |
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| 17:15.37 | tarzeau | someone wants to/can try http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ ? |
| 17:15.43 | yoo | asg: excuse-me i'm french you mean what by use multiple --exclude=PATTERN options ? |
| 17:15.52 | tarzeau | i couldn't get this afs module to work, like it worked for me with woody |
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| 17:15.56 | loc | are there any hints for migrating from xfree to xorg that i can read before apt-get install xserver-xorg? |
| 17:16.04 | ale-mtx | how do i change the default runlevel ? |
| 17:16.13 | tarzeau | ale-mtx: see /etc/inittab |
| 17:16.22 | ale-mtx | thks |
| 17:16.24 | tarzeau | loc: you write the hints, and then i'll try it |
| 17:17.00 | yoo | tar -cvpf /dev/st0 /mnt/sauvegarde --exclude=/mnt/sauvegarde/backup_simpson/games --exclude=/mnt/sauvegarde/bin/et* etc..... |
| 17:17.06 | yoo | Is that ? |
| 17:17.23 | slept | how can I get direct rendering to work , glxinfo says no , xorg.log says enabled . What do I have to look for ? |
| 17:17.26 | asg | yoo: yes 'info tar' and search for exclude (examples are given) |
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| 17:17.40 | raf256 | so, in recent kernels, how do I use encrypted partition? |
| 17:17.41 | yoo | ok thank |
| 17:17.48 | raf256 | I just need "mount" program for it (with special options)? |
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| 17:18.20 | raf256 | like - to encrypt /dev/hda8 with pass "foobar" AES-256 |
| 17:18.21 | jim | yoo: note that that will also cause the tape to rewind at the end of the opreation |
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| 17:18.41 | majorowl | anybody know why I can't get gaim to install? it tells me --> "gaim: Depends: libaspell15c2 (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 17:18.51 | asg | majorowl: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:18.55 | ale-mtx | is it correct to have sysklogd AND klogd both running together? don't they do the same thing ? |
| 17:18.56 | Rawplayer | could it be that compiling a kernel with -j3 ( yes i have 2 cpu's) that it bugs? |
| 17:19.03 | zinx | raf256: i think the easiest way is to set up a lvm or some jazz |
| 17:19.03 | asg | ale-mtx: yes and no |
| 17:19.11 | Rawplayer | a 2.6 kernel that is with "make -j3" |
| 17:19.13 | ale-mtx | asg: how's that? |
| 17:19.25 | raf256 | zinx: volume manager...? for encryption? |
| 17:19.35 | jim | majorowl: show exact command line |
| 17:19.35 | asg | ale-mtx: sysklogd just starts syslog, klogd provides the kernel ringbuffer to syslog |
| 17:19.52 | majorowl | sudo apt-get install gaim |
| 17:19.57 | majorowl | (tracking unstable) |
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| 17:20.39 | jim | ok, unstable depends fluctuate pretty much continuously... we get a snapshot on the mirrors daily... |
| 17:21.00 | asg | majorowl: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317743 (you should know about the bts if you track unstable) (/msg dpkg sid faq) |
| 17:21.08 | yoo | jim: /dev/st0 = rewind and /dev/nst0 = not rewind is that ? |
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| 17:21.19 | jim | try installing the depend... or does it say why it won't be installed |
| 17:21.24 | jim | yoo: yes |
| 17:21.40 | schnoopy | azeem: wow, 150 Mhz mips and 32MB ram takes the box quite some time to configure the system |
| 17:22.35 | majorowl | yeah, seems like the gaim that apt knows about wants libaspell15c2, but I have libaspell15 (conflicting versions, I guess) |
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| 17:22.45 | jim | 32mb of ram is minimal these days |
| 17:22.52 | asg | majorowl: yes, that's why we call unstable unstable |
| 17:23.05 | david_2k5 | hy |
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| 17:23.31 | ja0x | hi |
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| 17:27.26 | david_2k5 | hy |
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| 17:29.52 | abrotman | majorowl: you did apt-get update first right ? |
| 17:30.08 | majorowl | abrotman, yup |
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| 17:31.07 | reco | raf256: i installed scponly and set a testusers shell to scponly, but when i login with that user via sftp i still cd to / and other directories :( |
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| 17:31.39 | raf256 | reco: I bet scponly have a chroot to home / lock in home option, did you looked through /etc/scponk. |
| 17:31.41 | ale-mtx | what is dbus-1 ? |
| 17:31.43 | Blue9 | What's the name of the webcam package that comes with Sarge? I'm having a blond moment (and need to install it on another distro) |
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| 17:32.31 | Blue9 | Got it |
| 17:32.32 | Blue9 | Thanks anyway |
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| 17:32.57 | asg | ale-mtx: apt-cache show dbus-1 |
| 17:33.00 | reco | raf256: the only thing i have in /etc/scponly is a debuglevel no config nothing ;*(( |
| 17:33.03 | raf256 | reco: from man: (Note: scponlyc(8) is the chrooted version of scponly.) |
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| 17:33.22 | raf256 | reco: try using this as his shell (with -c : scponlyc) |
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| 17:33.50 | raf256 | reco: man scponlyc |
| 17:33.50 | ale-mtx | thanks |
| 17:34.04 | reco | raf256: thanx |
| 17:34.08 | raf256 | np |
| 17:34.13 | wendz | how to change the password her in freenode? |
| 17:34.31 | Schiz0 | wendz- /msg nickserv help |
| 17:34.44 | raf256 | wendz: try: /msg #debian NEWPASSWORD |
| 17:34.50 | Hiruky | i'm in knoppix now, how do i install grub to a certain partition? |
| 17:35.03 | raf256 | Hiruky: ask in #grub also |
| 17:35.19 | Hiruky | nobody is there |
| 17:35.22 | Hiruky | this is partially for debian |
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| 17:35.55 | raf256 | Hiruky: hmm dont remember exacly now.... |
| 17:36.39 | raf256 | Hiruky: it was like 1) mount your REAL disc (of the REAL system, not knoopix), go into the mounted root like /mnt/mydebianroot/ |
| 17:36.49 | raf256 | Hiruky: then mount real /boot as well |
| 17:36.53 | raf256 | then chroot there ./ |
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| 17:37.14 | raf256 | then run grub and issue commend AFAIR setup or setup (hd0) or something like that... |
| 17:37.31 | simonrvn | info grub |
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| 17:38.32 | irsad07 | SELMA |
| 17:38.34 | irsad07 | SELAM |
| 17:38.38 | irsad07 | NABÜNÜZZZZZZZZ |
| 17:38.40 | irsad07 | LAAAAAAAN |
| 17:38.58 | irsad07 | KALTAK |
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| 17:39.02 | stew | irsad07: stop |
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| 17:39.09 | asg | !tr |
| 17:39.09 | dpkg | trke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
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| 17:39.49 | grigora | what's the command that lets you see the process tree? |
| 17:39.55 | asg | grigora: pstree |
| 17:40.52 | Hiruky | raf256 i was away sorry |
| 17:40.57 | Hiruky | i can't get into grub |
| 17:40.59 | Hiruky | that's the probelm |
| 17:41.03 | Hiruky | i get error 22 |
| 17:41.11 | grigora | asg: thanks |
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| 17:42.38 | gilber | hello, please what command i need for view if my hard disk have damaged sectors |
| 17:42.48 | Spec | gilber: badblocks |
| 17:42.53 | gilber | yes |
| 17:43.05 | gilber | Spec: yes |
| 17:43.09 | Spec | gilber: fsck also |
| 17:43.22 | asg | gilber: he meant 'badblocks' is the name of the command |
| 17:43.30 | Spec | i was wondering why he said yes :p |
| 17:43.32 | gilber | ok, i will try |
| 17:43.36 | Spec | gilber: man badblocks first |
| 17:43.46 | Spec | gilber: there's a destructive mode that deletes all your data -- you're not gonna want that |
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| 17:44.09 | simy | i need help with ndiswrapper i went to do modprobe ndiswrapper and it gave me the error ndisrapper: version magic '2.6.11-1-686 686 gcc-4.0' should be '2.6.11-1-686 686 gcc3.3' FATAL error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko: iinvalid module format |
| 17:44.10 | Spec | gilber: http://yhslug.tux.org/docs/hdtest.htm |
| 17:44.15 | Spec | gilber: read that, it's pretty easy to understand |
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| 17:44.27 | gilber | Spec: ok, thanks i will read the man |
| 17:44.32 | asg | simy: compile it with gcc-3.3, not gcc-4.0 |
| 17:44.47 | simy | uhm ok, how do i do that? |
| 17:44.55 | Spec | gilber: the how-to is easier to understand than the man |
| 17:44.58 | simy | how do i downgrade myself? |
| 17:44.59 | greycat | simy: ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc |
| 17:45.00 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 17:45.00 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 17:45.40 | gilber | Spec: ok the how-to |
| 17:46.36 | simy | it says its version 4.0 |
| 17:46.51 | lilliput | hello all ;) just a question about xorg and the video card S3 Inc. VT8636A [ProSavage KN133] AGP4X VGA Controller (TwisterK) (rev 01) is someone know how to setup the 3D ? |
| 17:47.02 | simy | i have another kernel 2.4 i believe it is, i just upgraded to get wifi using ndiswrapper... |
| 17:47.12 | simy | would compiling in that kernel do it? |
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| 17:48.00 | grigora | I have had Sarge (testing) running for a long time, now that it's officially released as stable, do I have to do anything to "switch over"? thanks |
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| 17:48.15 | simy | greycat ? |
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| 17:48.48 | greycat | simy: upgrading to sid to make things work *better* was pretty dumb. |
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| 17:49.16 | simy | your saying .8 instead of .11? |
| 17:49.26 | simy | can i take off .11 and get .8 the same way? |
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| 17:49.36 | simy | (the same way i got .11 |
| 17:50.04 | greycat | grigora: point sources.list at sarge and not a testing, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:50.18 | greycat | grigora: also make sure you add the security updates line |
| 17:50.20 | reco | raf256: so this means i have to recreate all my users no? |
| 17:50.27 | simy | i had to get 2.6 to get ndiswrapper to work (from what i understand) so i went to 2.6.11 there was 2.6.8 tho, i figured the .11 would be better..... |
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| 17:50.45 | raf256 | reco: scponly / scponlyc if for creating accounts ONLY for (s)ftp access |
| 17:50.51 | echnaton | hi is there a qt4 debian package? |
| 17:51.03 | greycat | echnaton: #debian-kde might know |
| 17:51.14 | grigora | greycat: thanks, can not having done this so far cause any issues with certain packages needing to be downgrading, etc? |
| 17:51.15 | trc_ghost | so, whats the status with Xorg in sid?, still broken? recommended stay with 4.3? |
| 17:51.19 | echnaton | greycat i need dev |
| 17:51.24 | echnaton | qt-toolkit |
| 17:51.28 | echnaton | to programm |
| 17:51.47 | simy | greycat i used module-assistant to compile ndiswrapper is there a way to have it use gcc3.3? |
| 17:52.09 | reco | raf256: shit i need to just restrict all users to their home. i have them already on the system ... is pam_chroot better then? |
| 17:52.31 | grigora | greycat: ... needing to be downgraded |
| 17:52.31 | jessiejames | reco: yes, for general use |
| 17:52.35 | raf256 | dunno reco. vsftp have also chroot to home option afair, lookup its config |
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| 17:52.49 | vincenz | What package do I need for opengl development? |
| 17:52.56 | |stefan_| | what has happend to non-us unstable packages ? i can't get apt-get to fetch them. |
| 17:53.05 | asg | |stefan_|: /topic |
| 17:53.09 | raf256 | !topicsmite |stefan_| |
| 17:53.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon |stefan_|. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:53.11 | reco | raf256: yes but i am not able to let vsftp deal with the sftp connections. thats my original problem |
| 17:53.14 | reco | :) |
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| 17:53.32 | greycat | simy: ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 17:53.33 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 17:53.33 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 17:53.34 | K_Dallas_ | éj #latex |
| 17:53.38 | greycat | !clue simy |
| 17:53.40 | reco | when i can configure my debian box that all sftp connections are handled by vsftp... that would be fine |
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| 17:53.57 | raf256 | reco: just install vsftp |
| 17:54.02 | vincenz | anyone? |
| 17:54.03 | greycat | !l33t ftp |
| 17:54.03 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my FTP server to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false and put /bin/false in /etc/shells!!!!! |
| 17:54.10 | |stefan_| | so the non-us packages will be merged with the normal packages ? |
| 17:54.12 | ShiShi | !udev |
| 17:54.12 | dpkg | from memory, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 17:54.25 | greycat | stew: _StefaN^: |stefan_|: yes |
| 17:54.27 | reco | raf256: i did that but when i log in into the server sftp-server responds not vsftp |
| 17:54.27 | raf256 | reco: well.. |
| 17:54.31 | greycat | !leading punctuation |
| 17:54.32 | dpkg | if your nick begins with leading punctuation, nobody is going to want to help you, because typing your nick is a HUGE FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS, even with tab completion |
| 17:54.32 | trc_ghost | !xorg |
| 17:54.32 | dpkg | well, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 17:54.35 | stew | yawhat? |
| 17:54.38 | raf256 | reco: not shure. I have separate accounts only for SFTP to them. |
| 17:54.42 | |stefan_| | greycat thanks =) |
| 17:54.46 | flatliner | Hi, is there anybody who can help me with debian sparc port installation? I can't boot any netinst image I've downloaded |
| 17:55.07 | asg | flatliner: many sparcs can't boot cds, use a tftp netboot option (read the installation guide) |
| 17:55.08 | reco | ist there any way to stop sftp-server? |
| 17:55.13 | greycat | reco: it's part of sshd |
| 17:55.14 | ShiShi | greycat:i have kernel panics /sbin/init 432 can't open dev/console pivot root this is udev problem ? |
| 17:55.26 | greycat | ShiShi: use a debian kernel image. |
| 17:55.40 | ShiShi | greycat, this is with kernel-image :/ |
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| 17:56.22 | reco | ok may be i am missing basics here. so sorry for asking all these question. i would like to use vsftp to handle all my ftp and sftp traffic. is this possible? |
| 17:56.29 | simy | greycat i dont understand how to use that, it just tells me that gcc is version 4.0 |
| 17:56.35 | flatliner | the kernel is started, until I get this error: "Warning: unable to open initial console Unimplemented sparc system call 188 attempted to kill init!" |
| 17:56.57 | reco | if yes how can i configure my box so that sftp traffic is handled by vsftp. them i am lucky :) |
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| 17:57.22 | greycat | !pal simy |
| 17:57.25 | simy | im sorry i dont understand this quite yet, but when people who know what there doing just brush people off, i you show me to a site that will guide e through it ild be thrilled, but ive been working on getting this one thing done for almost a week now! ive tried every web page out there, i would like some help, sorry thats too much to ask |
| 17:58.05 | DoppelGanger | simy: yes it is |
| 17:58.08 | flatliner | asg: I've tried also with netboot but the kernel seems to hang while booting |
| 17:58.12 | greycat | !tell simy about sid faq |
| 17:58.24 | DoppelGanger | :) |
| 17:58.33 | asg | flatliner: hmm, you might try #debian-sparc, #sparc or even #debian-boot |
| 17:58.41 | greycat | you chose to run unstable. that gives us free license to ridicule you when you can't even deal with BASIC unix concepts like symlinks. |
| 17:58.47 | flatliner | asg: ok thank you |
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| 17:59.08 | simy | greycat i just want my damn wifi card to work a site said to upgrade, to 2.6 |
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| 17:59.21 | asg | license to ill |
| 17:59.25 | greycat | simy: that did not mean you had to upgrade to SID. |
| 17:59.35 | greycat | simy: sarge has had 2.6.x kernels for a very, very long time. |
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| 18:00.07 | Morti | I learned on Sid, it isn't that bad. |
| 18:00.14 | simy | greycat will your site (im assuming its yours) show me how to downgrade then? |
| 18:00.15 | Morti | As long as you accept that sometimes it just doesn't work. ;) |
| 18:00.19 | greycat | also, you chose to purchase non-free wireless networking hardware. you get to deal with the pain for that, too. |
| 18:00.53 | greycat | and there is no way to downgrade safely. you can TRY doing it by hand, one package at a time, but that may not even be possible. |
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| 18:01.42 | simy | greycat will its a fresh install, ive done it before with this card, but the laptop im on now has no screen anymore (hence its not very portable) and my new laptop which i jsut got, a week ago, i would like setup similarly... |
| 18:01.57 | Morti | Stick with Sid, it's fine. Just dist-upgrade with care. |
| 18:02.02 | simy | so 2.8 will work right? if thats the case ill just reinstall linux again, and use that... |
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| 18:02.06 | greycat | there is no linux 2.8 |
| 18:02.07 | jharrisonwk | reco: NO |
| 18:02.12 | Morti | 2.6, not 2.8. |
| 18:02.14 | Morti | But yeah. |
| 18:02.22 | simy | er... oh, ok i get it... |
| 18:02.25 | strattonbrazil | Does anyone know why nvidia-glx conflicts with xbase-clients? |
| 18:02.28 | jharrisonwk | reco: vsftp == ftp server |
| 18:02.32 | asg | strattonbrazil: /topic |
| 18:02.34 | jharrisonwk | reco: ssh == sftp |
| 18:02.43 | fakbill | strattonbrazil : no. |
| 18:02.43 | Morti | simy: If you re-install from a Debian Sarge CD you can install by typing linux26 at the boot prompt after you put the CD in. |
| 18:02.47 | jharrisonwk | DoppelGanger: sorry I just could not take it anymore |
| 18:02.53 | DoppelGanger | jharrisonwk: no problem |
| 18:02.57 | fakbill | but xlibmesa-glu is ti be recompiled |
| 18:03.00 | DoppelGanger | i think 3 hrs is long enough |
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| 18:03.14 | DoppelGanger | seriously he should learn to use a search engine or read |
| 18:03.26 | greycat | simy: or, after installing with 2.4, you can install a 2.6 kernel image with apt-get. |
| 18:03.37 | simy | morti well i use the disks to network... |
| 18:03.47 | greycat | simy: either way, depending on what it takes to get it installed on your hardware |
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| 18:03.58 | Morti | simy: Best go with a minimal CD for a network install. |
| 18:04.00 | simy | well i can pull my hair through the ndis part.... |
| 18:04.05 | Morti | Especially for a 2.6 kernel. |
| 18:04.36 | simy | morti, all i do is get what i need to get my wifi card working, then ill hide in my room like that a little intraverted child... |
| 18:04.50 | Morti | All good. |
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| 18:05.16 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 18:05.18 | simy | although because this is the broken laptop, i use it (or plan to use it) as a server type deal so i can learn what im doing without caring if i break my install yaknow? |
| 18:05.25 | jazzanova | has anyone run colinux ? |
| 18:05.30 | asg | no |
| 18:05.50 | DoppelGanger | um #debian |
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| 18:06.01 | Mef-Werk | laff |
| 18:06.01 | jazzanova | debian what ? |
| 18:06.16 | jazzanova | you can run debian in colinux |
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| 18:06.24 | jazzanova | duh :) |
| 18:06.26 | DoppelGanger | More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP |
| 18:06.46 | DoppelGanger | so um no |
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| 18:06.58 | myren | whats cheaper, fedex or UPS? |
| 18:06.59 | jazzanova | i did it |
| 18:07.03 | DoppelGanger | ups |
| 18:07.08 | myren | both destinations are within 500 miles |
| 18:07.13 | myren | ok |
| 18:07.23 | DoppelGanger | us post office :) |
| 18:07.24 | asg | myren: any savings you get from one or the other will be mostly marginal |
| 18:07.30 | myren | usps is massively expensive |
| 18:07.38 | myren | for actual packages |
| 18:07.40 | Hiruky | hmm |
| 18:07.41 | asg | myren: DHL is another option |
| 18:07.42 | simy | greycat is the website a good site for idiots like me? |
| 18:07.44 | DoppelGanger | really not mine its dirty cheap |
| 18:07.48 | DoppelGanger | dirt* |
| 18:07.53 | Morti | simy: Yeah, sounds like a plan. Learn on something expendable. :) |
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| 18:08.10 | myren | thanks all, latter |
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| 18:08.29 | simy | Morti: it works simply because if it breaks i can just say screw it for awhile and surf the net on my laptop... |
| 18:08.36 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 18:08.36 | dpkg | colinux is probably http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 18:08.45 | abrotman | erm .. i thought they had a channel |
| 18:09.56 | Hiruky | does debian hav e arecovery disk? |
| 18:10.20 | DoppelGanger | oh i'm gonna tell mom tht you broke it |
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| 18:10.32 | greycat | Hiruky: you can get a shell with the install CD |
| 18:10.33 | takatumi | Hiruky: use d-i alt-F2 gives you shell if that'll do. |
| 18:11.11 | Hiruky | i just need to reinstall grub |
| 18:11.18 | simy | ok whats the command agian? |
| 18:11.36 | Hiruky | to the mbr, because for some reason it's pointing to the wrong partition |
| 18:11.58 | Morti | Hiruky: Best to put the install CD in, get into the shell with alt+F2, mkdir blip, mount /dev/hda1 (or whatever your root partition is) blip, chroot blip |
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| 18:12.05 | greycat | Hiruky: didn't we already tell you? |
| 18:12.07 | simy | Morti: what was that comand to just install 2.6? |
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| 18:12.08 | Hiruky | ok |
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| 18:12.09 | greycat | ah, Morti got it. |
| 18:12.10 | Hiruky | i'll try it |
| 18:12.15 | greycat | simy: F1 |
| 18:12.15 | Hiruky | thanks |
| 18:12.23 | Morti | simy: linux26 (when faced with the boot: prompt) |
| 18:12.38 | greycat | it says "Press F1 for help". |
| 18:12.43 | greycat | why not press F1? |
| 18:13.01 | Morti | He can if he wants. |
| 18:13.08 | Morti | And it'll tell him to type "linux26". |
| 18:13.10 | simy | greycat: i tried looking in there myself, i didnt find it... |
| 18:13.28 | Morti | simy: Think it's under F3. |
| 18:13.30 | simy | i dont think i can do it like that, but im gona try anyways... |
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| 18:13.44 | takatumi | simy: read more carefully, it points you to other function keys are well. |
| 18:14.08 | simy | couldnt find image linux26, so it dosnt have it... |
| 18:14.11 | simy | o well... |
| 18:14.18 | greycat | F1 leads you to other help keys. |
| 18:14.20 | greycat | like F3. |
| 18:14.21 | simy | takatumi i know:) |
| 18:14.40 | Morti | simy: This is using the standard Sarge install CD, right? |
| 18:14.57 | simy | no, its 3 floppys for install over network... |
| 18:15.03 | Morti | You need the CD. |
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| 18:15.12 | Morti | Get the network install CD from debian.org |
| 18:15.12 | takatumi | simy: CD busted? |
| 18:15.15 | greycat | or just install from the floppies and then install 2.6 afterward |
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| 18:15.25 | simy | i think ill do what greycat said... |
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| 18:15.31 | simy | dosnt take long anywho... |
| 18:15.36 | Morti | Also good. |
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| 18:15.53 | Morti | apt-cache search kernel image 2.6, then pick your favourite. |
| 18:16.18 | simy | the cd for this laptop ( as well as floppy) are both external... its so weird having more stuff hanging off of a laptop... (my other one everything is built in) |
| 18:16.30 | greycat | old laptops suck. |
| 18:16.44 | asg | except Dell CPi models which work nicely. |
| 18:16.44 | simy | greycat well it was good with linux, lol |
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| 18:16.50 | greycat | external CDs that they can't boot, no NICs except PCMCIA ... |
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| 18:17.06 | takatumi | could try usb media. |
| 18:17.10 | simy | well the new one is actually an old dell latitude, the old one is an even oler sony viao pcgf350 (there pieces of %@$^%) |
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| 18:17.13 | takatumi | if.. |
| 18:17.13 | greycat | I said *old*. |
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| 18:17.29 | Hiruky | hmm |
| 18:17.31 | darkvadom | oue |
| 18:17.32 | simy | greycat : actually i can boot from my cd's |
| 18:17.35 | Hiruky | fstab doesn't list anything i can mount |
| 18:17.36 | ThePiratemaster | i cant get the "public_html"-thing to work with apache |
| 18:17.39 | darkvadom | salut les debianers |
| 18:17.41 | ThePiratemaster | soem help please? |
| 18:17.48 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: define the problem more precisely. |
| 18:17.49 | ThePiratemaster | i have apache 2.0.54 |
| 18:17.52 | greycat | !fr |
| 18:17.52 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 18:18.01 | darkvadom | ok thanks |
| 18:18.16 | Hiruky | Morti: i can't mount it |
| 18:18.23 | Hiruky | i did see that it mounted in knoppix though |
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| 18:18.43 | darkvadom | oueeeeeee |
| 18:18.47 | darkvadom | dvips |
| 18:18.48 | ob1kenewb | olléééé |
| 18:18.49 | darkvadom | ps2pdf |
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| 18:19.07 | takatumi | Hiruky: you can use knoppix live CD as well, mount, chroot, grub-install /dev/hdX |
| 18:19.27 | Hiruky | ok |
| 18:19.30 | Gost | how many debian CDs I should download to install base system with KDE or some other graphic enviroment |
| 18:19.35 | greycat | 1. |
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| 18:19.55 | Gost | you mean first one ? |
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| 18:20.21 | simy | Gost yup... |
| 18:20.34 | Gost | thanks a lot guys |
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| 18:21.11 | prodope_ | i upgraded to gcc4.0 (using unstable)... when i am creating a custom kernel, i got a whole heap of warnings when doing a make menuconfig.. is this a problem? should i downgrade back to gcc3? |
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| 18:21.52 | prodope_ | all of them seem to be "warning: pointer targets in passing arg..." type warnings |
| 18:21.56 | vincenz | Hello I installed the NVIDIA drivers for X... Because I didn't have opengl. Either way I have this package that I'm trying to build and it gives me an error on -lGLU |
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| 18:22.03 | takatumi | prodope_: mostly harmless. |
| 18:22.33 | greycat | !tell vincenz about nvidia one-liner |
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| 18:22.52 | simy | !tell simy about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:23.09 | prodope_ | it has to do with the upgrade to gcc though? |
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| 18:23.19 | simy | is && kinda like cpp's ++? |
| 18:23.24 | greycat | gcc 4.0 should NOT be used for kernels. |
| 18:23.33 | greycat | simy: no. it's like C's &&. |
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| 18:23.36 | estel | i'm using a vpn tunnel (openvpn, tap device) for tunneling ipv6 on an debian standard kernel (2.6.8), but sometimes i cannot either stop/kill openvpn (not even kill -9 works), nor can i unload the tun module. "unregister_netdevice: waiting for tap0 to become free. Usage count = 1" is the only error message i can find. I've found similar problems when googling, but only with 'very old' kernel versions (2.5.XXX, 2.6-test1...). cpu usage of o |
| 18:23.41 | vincenz | greycat: thx |
| 18:23.50 | simy | greycat : i got a little more studying to do, and i need the laptop, lol |
| 18:23.52 | prodope_ | greycat: how would i not use it? uninstall it? |
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| 18:24.03 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone help me fixing the public_html directory for users in apache, when i do "http://192.168.1.33/~devcore" in mozilla i get a 403. how shouldi fix this? |
| 18:24.16 | vincenz | greycat: how do I get the nonfree packages? |
| 18:24.22 | greycat | prodope_: ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc |
| 18:24.24 | asg | !non-free |
| 18:24.24 | dpkg | i heard non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
| 18:24.27 | greycat | prodope_: or edit the kernel's Makefile |
| 18:24.30 | simy | greycat : nevermind it just clicked, now i know...again... |
| 18:24.34 | rbochan | ThePiratemaster: ad a slash to the end of it |
| 18:24.35 | greycat | vincenz: read the factoid again. |
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| 18:24.42 | greycat | vincenz: /msg dpkg whatever |
| 18:24.45 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Can www-user get to /home/devcore/public_html ? |
| 18:24.48 | prodope_ | greycat: ahh, thanks |
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| 18:24.52 | vincenz | greycat: thx |
| 18:24.53 | rbochan | ThePiratemaster: aka http://192.168.1.33/~devcore/ |
| 18:24.59 | ThePiratemaster | chmod for /home/~public_html are 755 |
| 18:25.06 | Hiruky | takatumi: I get this error: /dev/hda2/boot: Not found or not a block device |
| 18:25.13 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: 403 is permission denied. check the permissions. |
| 18:25.20 | jelly | ThePiratemaster: and for /home and /home/user? |
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| 18:25.29 | takatumi | Hiruky: when you pass what command? |
| 18:25.37 | ThePiratemaster | resiak, i dunno |
| 18:25.41 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: FIND OUT. |
| 18:25.44 | greycat | jesus! |
| 18:26.06 | Hiruky | oh osryr |
| 18:26.12 | ThePiratemaster | what do u think im gonna do -_- |
| 18:26.13 | Hiruky | grub /dev/hda2 |
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| 18:26.18 | Hiruky | grub-install* |
| 18:26.22 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: get a fucking unix book? read "man ls"? |
| 18:26.24 | takatumi | Hiruky: lose the 2 |
| 18:26.28 | Hiruky | ok |
| 18:26.37 | zerge | hi everybody |
| 18:26.44 | Hiruky | takatumi: same error |
| 18:26.48 | rbochan | Hi Dr. Nick! |
| 18:26.52 | ThePiratemaster | yes |
| 18:26.55 | dcode | anyone know how to exit xwindow server? |
| 18:26.58 | ThePiratemaster | it can |
| 18:26.59 | vincenz | greycat: I added non-free and contrib to all the lines of my sources.list |
| 18:27.04 | greycat | dcode: ctrl-alt-backspace sometimes works |
| 18:27.04 | asg | dcode: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 18:27.10 | greycat | sometimes not. no idea why. |
| 18:27.10 | ThePiratemaster | dcode "init 3" |
| 18:27.14 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: WRONG! |
| 18:27.19 | takatumi | Hiruky: did you chroot in? |
| 18:27.20 | greycat | one more and you're on /ignore |
| 18:27.21 | dcode | doesn't work, I have a login manager |
| 18:27.23 | ThePiratemaster | greycat, shut up |
| 18:27.27 | Schiz0 | Save the trout! |
| 18:27.28 | greycat | that would qualify. |
| 18:27.32 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: That's not true on Debion. |
| 18:27.44 | dcode | kde login manager |
| 18:27.45 | ThePiratemaster | sry, didnt know that |
| 18:27.51 | Hiruky | um oO |
| 18:27.55 | resiak | dcode: Why are you stopping it? |
| 18:27.58 | Hiruky | Sorry I'm really new to this.. |
| 18:27.59 | asg | dcode: /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 18:28.08 | dcode | to load Nvidia drivers |
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| 18:28.11 | greycat | hmm, maybe I should have +q'd him instead as a public service to prevent the future spread of disinformation to unsuspecting newbies. |
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| 18:28.17 | Hiruky | lol |
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| 18:28.27 | dcode | thanks asg |
| 18:28.31 | takatumi | Hiruky: chroot /mount_point (hopefully you mounted it somewhere) |
| 18:28.34 | ThePiratemaster | but yes, www-user can read devcore's public_html |
| 18:28.36 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Paste the output of `ls -ld /home /home/dev |
| 18:28.37 | Hiruky | ok |
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| 18:28.38 | resiak | erm |
| 18:28.52 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Paste the output of `ls -ld /home /home/devcore /home/devcore/public_html` in #flood |
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| 18:29.13 | vincenz | greycat: I added it to the end of the lines to no avail |
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| 18:29.15 | Hiruky | cannot change root directory |
| 18:29.15 | ThePiratemaster | drwxrwsr-x 3 root staff 72 2028-07-13 23:14 /home |
| 18:29.15 | ThePiratemaster | drwxr-xr-x 3 devcore devcore 128 2028-07-14 06:21 /home/devcore |
| 18:29.21 | rbochan | sigh |
| 18:29.24 | asg | vincenz: did you 'apt-get update' afterwards? |
| 18:29.25 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: In #FLOOD DAMNIT |
| 18:29.25 | simy | geez i setp away for just a few minutes and sombody gets bludgend with a rather large trout.... and i have no idea why |
| 18:29.31 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: And the last one? |
| 18:29.33 | vincenz | asg: ah thx |
| 18:29.35 | Hiruky | do chroot /dev/hda1 ? or hda2 those are the moutn points for my harddrive |
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| 18:29.40 | Hiruky | hda1 being my windows install |
| 18:29.43 | jelly | resiak: though, it looks fine doesn't it |
| 18:29.45 | greycat | Hiruky: no, you chroot to the MOUNT POINT after it's mounted. |
| 18:29.49 | simy | Hiruky sorry... |
| 18:29.55 | greycat | Hiruky: chroot expects a directory. |
| 18:30.01 | ThePiratemaster | drwxrwsr-x 3 root staff 72 2028-07-13 23:14 /home |
| 18:30.01 | ThePiratemaster | drwxr-xr-x 3 devcore devcore 128 2028-07-14 06:21 /home/devcore |
| 18:30.01 | ThePiratemaster | drwxr-xr-x 2 devcore devcore 72 2028-07-14 06:21 /home/devcore/public |
| 18:30.21 | bruha | any other brave soul upgraded to new xorg packages loosing nvidia-glx? |
| 18:30.23 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Check in /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 18:30.26 | rbochan | greycat: you might have been right ;) |
| 18:30.32 | greycat | bruha: tighten it up! |
| 18:30.34 | ThePiratemaster | yea i also changed the name "public_html" to public in th conf |
| 18:30.45 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Did you reload the config ? |
| 18:30.49 | bruha | greycat: what do you mean? |
| 18:30.52 | valdyn | bruha: that does sound unlikely. |
| 18:30.55 | greycat | bruha: if it's loose... |
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| 18:31.12 | bruha | greycat: typo |
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| 18:31.19 | ThePiratemaster | [Fri Jul 14 07:29:29 2028] [error] [client 192.168.1.88] Directory index forbidden by rule: /home/devcore/public/ |
| 18:31.19 | ThePiratemaster | [Fri Jul 14 07:29:30 2028] [error] [client 192.168.1.88] File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico |
| 18:31.22 | resiak | FFS |
| 18:31.22 | ThePiratemaster | i get htat |
| 18:31.24 | resiak | Stop pasting |
| 18:31.30 | ThePiratemaster | for every time i tried to connect |
| 18:31.36 | ThePiratemaster | sorry |
| 18:31.38 | resiak | Oh, it's only two lines. I guess it's okay. |
| 18:31.39 | asg | ThePiratemaster: then try to connect to a known file |
| 18:31.40 | ThePiratemaster | i'll post on pastebin.com |
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| 18:31.50 | resiak | Or in #flood, where I told you to. |
| 18:32.11 | Justin | ThePiratemaster: go read the apache docs and learn what a Directory index is |
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| 18:32.28 | simy | im almost done with my install.... |
| 18:32.40 | resiak | Wow! look at that! The error _explains_ _the_ _problem_! |
| 18:32.45 | bruha | valdyn: nvidia-glx depends on xlibmesa-glu or libglu1 which in turn conflicts with xbase-clients :/ |
| 18:32.57 | greycat | !handhold simy |
| 18:33.03 | simy | :) |
| 18:33.06 | ThePiratemaster | but i want to know WHY it is forbidden |
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| 18:33.11 | valdyn | bruha: no one asked you to install the new xbase-clients... |
| 18:33.13 | simy | lol, i didnt know there was somthing like that, lol |
| 18:33.18 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: Read up on what a Directory index is |
| 18:33.25 | Justin | ThePiratemaster: because you don't know what a directory index is |
| 18:33.25 | bruha | valdyn: true |
| 18:33.30 | ThePiratemaster | i set the dir and all of its contents to 755 |
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| 18:33.41 | resiak | ThePiratemaster: READ THE DOCS DAMNIT |
| 18:33.49 | ThePiratemaster | -_- |
| 18:33.50 | ThePiratemaster | bye |
| 18:33.51 | asg | ThePiratemaster: the error is a function of apache's access controls, not the fs |
| 18:33.55 | rbochan | ass |
| 18:33.57 | elkid | !mplayer |
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| 18:33.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 18:34.09 | rbochan | ++ resiak |
| 18:34.09 | glick | hey, does anyone know if businesses use webmin to administer their networks, or do they use another toool or how do other business manage and administer complex networks? |
| 18:34.15 | valdyn | bruha: xutils and xbase-clients from the new xorg packages cannot be installed w/o triggering the removal of alot of other stuff at the moment, so just dont do it. |
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| 18:34.25 | asg | resiak: it's easy to win when a loser is involved |
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| 18:34.38 | asg | glick: real men use ssh |
| 18:34.41 | Justin | glick: what is a complex network? |
| 18:35.01 | resiak | asg: True. Ah well. Want to fix a RedHat 6 box with a Fedora Core 2 glibc that causes rpm -[ieU] to segfault? |
| 18:35.14 | glick | Justin, complext network topologies with redundancies, load balancing, etc, etc, virtual subnets, etc, etc |
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| 18:35.22 | simy | why does everybody always have to pick on me:( o well... im most qualified, i even got my be picked on doctorine from retarted U |
| 18:35.23 | asg | resiak: ouch, sounds nasty |
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| 18:36.06 | greycat | valdyn: or live without that other crap ;-) |
| 18:36.09 | asg | resiak: no chance of replacing it with a fresh sarge? |
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| 18:36.15 | jelly | resiak: but the real question is... what libdb version does it (rpm) use! :-) |
| 18:36.25 | resiak | jelly: Is that the cause? |
| 18:36.30 | resiak | asg: Nope :( |
| 18:36.40 | glick | ? |
| 18:36.48 | greycat | vincenz: well, then why did you upgrade? |
| 18:36.54 | zerge | folks, which MTA do you use preferably on a(n email) server? exim4, postfix, qmail or else? I am just curious ... |
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| 18:37.03 | greycat | if you were already using nvidia proprietary drivers, what was the point? |
| 18:37.03 | jelly | resiak: I had some real problems with a RH8-9 install, rpm and libdb. |
| 18:37.03 | dunce | ok now i need 2.6 somthing right, so go with 2.6.8-2 i take it? |
| 18:37.20 | greycat | !tell zerge about bad polls |
| 18:37.39 | vincenz | greycat: well I didn't do it that way... But what do I need for GLU? |
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| 18:37.50 | zerge | greycat: got it |
| 18:37.51 | resiak | jelly: Intriguing. I'll investigate libdb -- thanks ! |
| 18:37.52 | jelly | resiak: but your 6.2 + libc6 2.3.something is like asking for trouble. I'd try rebuilding the old popt/rpm with the new libc6. |
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| 18:37.59 | greycat | vincenz: ld -lGLU means it looks for libGLU.so or libGLU.a in the library directory list. |
| 18:38.04 | vincenz | ah thnx |
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| 18:38.08 | greycat | vincenz: so find an installable package that has one of those. |
| 18:38.08 | simy | greycat ill ask you, lol would kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 work for me? |
| 18:38.18 | greycat | simy: do you have a -686 CPU? |
| 18:38.25 | valdyn | vincenz: apt-get install xlibmesa-glu-dev |
| 18:38.27 | simy | greycat i think so... |
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| 18:38.30 | glick | do they use webmin for that? |
| 18:38.31 | Hiruky | sorry internet problems |
| 18:38.34 | greycat | simy: what does /proc/cpuinfo say it is? |
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| 18:38.44 | Hiruky | okay greycat: i did chroot /mnt/hda2 |
| 18:38.56 | Hiruky | It says it's a read-only file system when i try grub-install |
| 18:38.57 | vincenz | valdyn: won't that mess with the nvidia driver? |
| 18:38.59 | resiak | jelly: I'm installing a new popt and rpm with the aid of rpm2cpio. I should have seen it coming really -- it's my own fault. |
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| 18:39.03 | elkid | !debian |
| 18:39.04 | dpkg | [debian] http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 18:39.09 | KB1FYR | I get "broken packages" errors whenever I try to install something with apt-get, what's wrong? |
| 18:39.11 | simy | greycat that i dont have permisson as root.... odly enough... |
| 18:39.20 | greycat | simy: cat it. |
| 18:39.25 | greycat | it's not a program |
| 18:39.25 | resiak | KB1FYR: Are you on Sid? |
| 18:39.40 | ale-mtx | when i do make menuconfig for kernel 2.6.12.1 and i try to disable scsi, it doesn't allow me to, it willy only allow me to use it as a module |
| 18:39.41 | simy | hmmm its a p3 |
| 18:39.41 | takatumi | Hiruky: lose the 2 again. |
| 18:39.45 | greycat | simy: then yes. |
| 18:39.47 | simy | so i guess that qualifies... |
| 18:39.49 | ale-mtx | what's going on? |
| 18:39.52 | jbmigel | how do i install a standalone .deb package that has no repo or anything? |
| 18:39.52 | valdyn | vincenz: that's not possible, unless you didnt install nvidia drivers the debian way. ( even then im not sure ) |
| 18:39.55 | simy | ok its not unstable is it? |
| 18:39.55 | KB1FYR | (other than that I have broken packages) |
| 18:39.55 | KB1FYR | Sid? |
| 18:39.56 | KB1FYR | resiak: I don't know. :-/ |
| 18:39.58 | greycat | ale-mtx: use a debian kernel image. |
| 18:39.59 | vincenz | valdyn: thx : |
| 18:40.02 | Hiruky | that doesn't work |
| 18:40.07 | greycat | jbmigel: man dpkg |
| 18:40.20 | resiak | KB1FYR: How di you install Debian? |
| 18:40.20 | ale-mtx | greycat: but i want to fine tune everything to my needs |
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| 18:40.23 | greycat | simy: if your sources.list says "sarge" or "stable", then no, it's not unstable. |
| 18:40.28 | Hiruky | no such file or directory |
| 18:40.34 | greycat | ale-mtx: then don't ask questions about it here. |
| 18:40.34 | Hiruky | debian is installed to hda2 if that matters |
| 18:40.44 | ale-mtx | where can i get help for that? |
| 18:40.46 | KB1FYR | resiak: I used an old Woody CD I had. It's on a pentium I... |
| 18:40.49 | greycat | ale-mtx: ##linux perhaps |
| 18:40.56 | ale-mtx | ok |
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| 18:41.12 | resiak | KB1FYR: Ouch :) |
| 18:41.15 | greycat | KB1FYR: so you tried to do an upgrade from woody to sarge but you didn't read the release notes... |
| 18:41.17 | simy | the first one says sarge the rest say stable, whats the diffrence anways? |
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| 18:41.23 | simy | or are they interchangable? |
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| 18:41.27 | valdyn | vincenz: and btw, you dont want to link against nvidia drivers *unless* you want that software not to run on different companies cards ) |
| 18:41.27 | Hiruky | takatumi: losing the 2 doesn't work |
| 18:41.29 | greycat | simy: stable points to whatever the current release is |
| 18:41.36 | greycat | simy: "sarge" is debian 3.1 and will not change |
| 18:41.46 | KB1FYR | greycat: i didn't know I tried to upgrade from woody to sarge... |
| 18:41.57 | simy | greycat k.... thx |
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| 18:42.05 | greycat | KB1FYR: well, I'm guessing based on incomplete information. it would help if you'd ask one big question with all the details all at once. |
| 18:42.24 | KB1FYR | hmmm |
| 18:42.25 | rbochan | KB1FYR: if your sources say "stable" then you probably did |
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| 18:42.53 | vincenz | valdyn: it's a development package I just want to code with |
| 18:42.58 | simy | greycat i have to apt-get upgrade right? |
| 18:43.06 | takatumi | Hiruky: man grub-install, you shouldn't be getting read-only errors, mount it correctly. |
| 18:43.12 | simy | or is that only when you chance from stable to unstable or testing? |
| 18:43.16 | greycat | simy: that's recommended (after update) to get the security fixes... |
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| 18:43.25 | Hiruky | knoppix auto mounted them |
| 18:43.28 | Hiruky | i don't know why they're read only |
| 18:43.38 | greycat | simy: changing from stable to whatever would be a DIST-upgrade. not an apt-get upgrade. |
| 18:43.51 | resiak | Hiruky: Because knoppix mounts your disks read-only by default? |
| 18:43.57 | Hiruky | oh :p |
| 18:44.02 | simy | heres a stupid queston, what happens if we run out of toystory carachters? |
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| 18:44.09 | greycat | simy: the world ends |
| 18:44.14 | simy | awe crap.... |
| 18:44.15 | Hiruky | don't mean to ask too much, but i can unmount and then remount with write support right? |
| 18:44.19 | TNKS | hi all. I'm trying to figure out modutils a little better, and I've looked at the man page for modules.conf. However, I'm a little confused about the alias command. I undertsand the idea of aliasing a module, but I'm not so sure I understand what to make of "alias /dev/sg* /dev/sg". What does a command like this do? |
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| 18:44.29 | greycat | Hiruky: you can try. |
| 18:44.39 | greycat | (they're not NTFS are they?) |
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| 18:47.11 | Marcelo_Leal | alguem poderia me ajudar? |
| 18:47.19 | Spec | Heya - I'm trying to rescue a debian server and I can mount /dev/sda[1,5,6], and then chroot into it and install a new kernel (with dpkg), but lilo fails with: Fatal: open /dev/sda: Permission denied, I'm root though in a chrooted environment, how can I lack permission? |
| 18:47.27 | Schiz0 | Marcelo_Leal- English only please. |
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| 18:47.41 | Granden- | can someone help me burn a iso image? |
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| 18:48.15 | caphuso | Granden-: cdrecord dev=whatever file.iso |
| 18:48.35 | greycat | heh |
| 18:48.52 | netsurf3 | i have always wanted a text based cdrecoreder lol |
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| 18:49.07 | Marcelo_Leal | Alguem fala portugues? |
| 18:49.11 | greycat | !br |
| 18:49.11 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:49.17 | greycat | netsurf3: uh.... where's the funny bit? |
| 18:49.19 | Marcelo_Leal | ok! |
| 18:49.20 | valdyn | Spec: disks *can* be write protected, 'hdparm' can show that. |
| 18:49.39 | Spec | readonly = 0 (off) |
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| 18:50.09 | netsurf3 | graycat errm not funny just wanted a textmode cd recorder for ages |
| 18:50.21 | netsurf3 | just reminded me |
| 18:50.36 | greycat | oh, you mean lol as in "please ignore me, for I am a child with ADHD" |
| 18:50.53 | shakparl | lol |
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| 18:51.05 | Granden- | caphuso, do I ahve to specify which path my burner have? |
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| 18:51.22 | caphuso | Granden-: that would certainly help, yes |
| 18:51.28 | Ronin | Granden-: cdrecord --scanbus will help |
| 18:51.39 | tech13 | how much space is needed for /boot? (sarge) |
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| 18:51.44 | greycat | Granden-: start by telling us which kernel you're running |
| 18:51.50 | greycat | tech13: why would you make it separate? |
| 18:52.10 | Granden- | 2.6.8 |
| 18:52.16 | tech13 | greycat: can you boot from an lvm now? |
| 18:52.19 | greycat | Granden-: cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus |
| 18:52.24 | jessiejames | greycat: backing up? |
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| 18:52.28 | simy | whats the ndiswrapper-modules for if you cant modprobe it... |
| 18:52.32 | netsurf3 | graycat actualy no but i talk to way to many people that overuse it and dont even realise it anymore |
| 18:52.35 | Granden- | I dont know if my burner is mounted |
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| 18:52.48 | greycat | Granden-: it won't be. |
| 18:52.57 | greycat | (it had BETTER not be.) |
| 18:53.03 | caphuso | dev=ATAPI seems to be a bit more robust |
| 18:53.07 | raf256 | my new kernel do not boot (VFS kernel panic) can not open root partition (ext2 on ATA HDD) what I might forgot? all FS are compiled in |
| 18:53.10 | greycat | caphuso: isn't that deprecated? |
| 18:53.16 | Granden- | it odnt find |
| 18:53.21 | Granden- | it dont find |
| 18:53.25 | caphuso | greycat: well, it works, which is what concerns me most |
| 18:53.37 | valdyn | raf256: and you disk controller's driver isn't? |
| 18:53.44 | greycat | Granden-: is it an IDE burner or a SCSI burner? |
| 18:53.49 | Granden- | IDE |
| 18:53.51 | caphuso | dev=ATA -scanbus results in Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second. |
| 18:53.55 | greycat | should've been found, then. |
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| 18:54.06 | Granden- | caphuso, same for me |
| 18:54.10 | raf256 | valdyn: in with section that was..? I thought I compiled all that UECI OHCI or what is was called... something more is needed? |
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| 18:54.25 | caphuso | Granden-: try dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
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| 18:54.51 | Ronin | Granden-: do what caphuso suggested, i get the same errors your do with ata but atapi works nicely on a 2.6.7 kernel |
| 18:54.53 | Granden- | found it then |
| 18:55.16 | Granden- | how to specify for cdrecord to use it |
| 18:55.19 | Spec | ah, good thing I don't need to run lilo, i'm silly |
| 18:55.21 | caphuso | it's just for scanning anyway, when you know what x,y,z you need, you can use ATA |
| 18:55.26 | Spec | <3 symlinks (/vmlinuz) |
| 18:55.36 | greycat | Spec: you do need to run lilo. |
| 18:55.41 | Spec | I do? |
| 18:55.49 | Granden- | ,0,0 0) 'PLEXTOR ' 'DVDR PX-716A ' '1.07' Removable CD-ROM |
| 18:55.59 | Hiruky | hmm |
| 18:55.59 | greycat | Spec: the actual *sector* that the kernel sits in gets put into the boot record |
| 18:56.05 | Spec | ah |
| 18:56.07 | Granden- | why did it get grey |
| 18:56.09 | Hiruky | takatumi: Okay i think i'm getting somewhere |
| 18:56.11 | Spec | -.- |
| 18:56.11 | Granden- | jsut mark it and you see |
| 18:56.14 | greycat | Spec: the boot-record component of lilo can't traverse a symlink. grub can. |
| 18:56.15 | Hiruky | but when i type grub-install /dev/hda |
| 18:56.20 | Hiruky | I get permission denied |
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| 18:56.31 | Spec | greycat: indeed |
| 18:56.33 | Granden- | what shall I do now? |
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| 18:56.35 | raf256 | Hiruky: do it as su, also mount read-write |
| 18:56.36 | Granden- | before I can burn |
| 18:56.39 | Hiruky | . /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 18:56.40 | Hiruky | I did that |
| 18:56.59 | Spec | Hiruky: what are you using? |
| 18:57.01 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.06 | Hiruky | um |
| 18:57.13 | Hiruky | i did what you all told me |
| 18:57.20 | Hiruky | . grub-install /dev/hda |
| 18:57.22 | Spec | what are you using/doing Hiruky? |
| 18:57.25 | raf256 | Hiruky: assasinate bush? |
| 18:57.27 | raf256 | oh, that |
| 18:57.29 | Hiruky | lol |
| 18:57.36 | Hiruky | tryign to reinstall grub to the mbr |
| 18:57.42 | Spec | in debian? |
| 18:57.46 | Hiruky | I'm in knoppix atm |
| 18:57.49 | raf256 | Spec: knoppix |
| 18:57.50 | Hiruky | I can't get to debian |
| 18:57.54 | Spec | i have that same exact problem |
| 18:57.57 | Spec | except with lilo |
| 18:57.58 | greycat | maybe knoppix is broken? |
| 18:58.03 | raf256 | grub should have simple option: grub-update-fixmbr |
| 18:58.04 | Spec | yeah, me thinking that now |
| 18:58.04 | caphuso | Granden-: what does "cdrecord dev=ATA:0,0,0 -eject" do? |
| 18:58.07 | metaperl | there are a ream of mail-transport-agent options - exim, ssmtp, estmp, courier, ... it is a small 32 meg ram laptop and I just want to install something darcs can use easily. Any recommendations? |
| 18:58.10 | Ronin | Granden-: read this http://www.speculation.org/garrick/tips.html#CDBurning, its the wrong distro but cd burning is cd burning |
| 18:58.20 | Spec | I can chroot into the drive, but no permission to install lilo when chrootd |
| 18:58.22 | Hiruky | oh |
| 18:58.28 | myren | is there any way to see what modules are available from a cvs server? |
| 18:58.28 | Spec | and i have the /dev/null permission denied error |
| 18:58.37 | raf256 | even winoze have "fixmbr" commend (it dont work very well but still) for gods sake |
| 18:58.41 | Granden- | caphuso, it dont work |
| 18:58.42 | simy | it figured, before i can get the card to see the hardware, but i couldnt modprobe ndiswrapper, now i can modprobe ndiswrapper, but it dosnt see the hardware, argh |
| 18:58.44 | Spec | I have installed the kernel though -- i'm gonna use a debian iso to run lilo now, hope that works |
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| 18:58.54 | caphuso | Granden-: i didn't ask what it doesn't do |
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| 18:59.07 | caphuso | *sigh* |
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| 18:59.10 | Granden- | you wont the whoel output? |
| 18:59.29 | Spec | just lying, i'm gonna use a gentoo install cd, it's handy ^.~ |
| 18:59.30 | Granden- | Then I pm it too you ok? |
| 18:59.31 | caphuso | Granden-: no, only the important part of it. can't be more than a line |
| 18:59.37 | toot | why on earth would modules i compile give Invalid module format? |
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| 18:59.43 | Hiruky | Hmm I don't think knoppix is broken |
| 18:59.44 | toot | and how on earth can i fix it :) |
| 18:59.46 | Granden- | I dont know whats important |
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| 18:59.51 | Granden- | so I pm you the whole output |
| 18:59.53 | Granden- | ok? |
| 19:00.07 | Umar | no |
| 19:00.07 | caphuso | no |
| 19:00.09 | Spec | Hiruky: Why wouldn't we have permission to access our own device, we have permission when not chrooted, correct? |
| 19:00.19 | greycat | !paste |
| 19:00.22 | Hiruky | Yes |
| 19:00.22 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 19:00.29 | simy | NTLDR is missing |
| 19:00.31 | simy | what is that? |
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| 19:00.40 | Spec | maybe knoppix forums have the answers, i'm just gonna avoid knoppix =p |
| 19:00.45 | Granden- | ok I write in flood |
| 19:00.46 | rbochan | Spec: there's a wiki on the knoppix site that tells you exactly what to do, have you checked that out? |
| 19:00.46 | simy | wait.... nevermind |
| 19:01.16 | Spec | rbochan: no, gentoo installing cd will work the way it should :p |
| 19:01.47 | Granden- | now its there |
| 19:02.16 | Spec | yeap, yeap, it worked like I expected it to. |
| 19:02.32 | Granden- | caphuso, have you read the paste in #flood? |
| 19:03.22 | simy | greycat you still there? |
| 19:03.35 | caphuso | Granden-: well, then the number you left out in your earlier paste was more important then it seemed |
| 19:04.01 | Spec | rbochan: what's the wiki page's name? Search doesn't work on the knoppix wiki |
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| 19:04.05 | caphuso | stupid me, why am i even trying to guess |
| 19:04.07 | Granden- | what? |
| 19:04.10 | Granden- | which numbers |
| 19:04.11 | rbochan | http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Rescue_FAQ |
| 19:04.26 | Granden- | you mena after doing this cdrecord dev=ATA:0,0,0 -eject |
| 19:04.37 | caphuso | Granden-> ,0,0 0) 'PLEXTOR ' ... |
| 19:04.45 | caphuso | there's a number missing |
| 19:04.56 | Granden- | 0,0,0 0) 'PLEXTOR ' 'DVDR PX-716A ' '1.07' Removable CD-ROM |
| 19:05.09 | Granden- | now its complete |
| 19:05.14 | simy | can sombody help me when i modprobe ndiswrapper it says fatal: module ndiswrapper not found... i just did module-assistant on it.... |
| 19:05.29 | Spec | uhh, yeah, umm, that tells me to do exactly what I know how to do |
| 19:05.40 | Spec | and err, it worked in gentoo (like it's supposed to), and not in knoppix (like it's not supposed to) |
| 19:05.44 | simy | nervermind ill figure it out |
| 19:05.45 | Spec | I can only assume knoppix is broken, right? |
| 19:05.55 | rbochan | Spec: it works in 3.7 |
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| 19:06.13 | DoppelGanger | k who broke his knoppix |
| 19:06.16 | DoppelGanger | tell uncle Douwd |
| 19:06.30 | DoppelGanger | doh |
| 19:06.34 | Spec | Coincidentally enough, I have version 3.7 |
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| 19:06.50 | myren | wait, xorg is now in unstable? |
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| 19:07.01 | rbochan | !xorgsmite myren |
| 19:07.11 | myren | anyone want to offer comparison between ubuntu? how are they different? i'm running ubuntu xorg now, it works. |
| 19:07.13 | greycat | myren: yes |
| 19:07.18 | rbochan | a big thank you to whomever added that ;) |
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| 19:07.34 | Bac9| | anyone use matroxfb with 2.6 and can tell me how to set resolution? |
| 19:07.40 | caphuso | Bac9|: fbset |
| 19:08.03 | Bac9| | caphuso: I meen autmatically at boot, where do I pass in the parameter? |
| 19:08.11 | caphuso | Bac9|: dunno |
| 19:08.19 | Bac9| | caphuso: I tried lilo, I tried /etc/modules.conf but neither seem to work |
| 19:08.51 | thewonderllama | myren: dunno about ubuntu, but my radeon mobility u1 which has shit for driver support in xfree is working at least 20% faster after i dist-upgraded |
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| 19:09.28 | myren | thewonderllama: yeah, i'm running a mobility LY6. Ancient POS. xorg helped a lot. |
| 19:09.44 | greycat | xorg gave me free 3d acceleration for a radeon 9000, too. |
| 19:09.50 | greycat | no fglrx! yay! |
| 19:09.54 | takatumi | same here for IGP340 |
| 19:10.00 | tgkjer | damn,gonna install it |
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| 19:10.26 | greycat | .oO( MWAhahah! another one suckered in by our cunning trap! ) |
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| 19:10.40 | tgkjer | o.O |
| 19:10.44 | takatumi | wait till they get to the shadows. |
| 19:10.49 | rbochan | greycat: it's becoming wonderful entertainment |
| 19:11.13 | darkskiez | greycat: it stole my nvidia-glx package, so i lost mine :( |
| 19:11.43 | darkskiez | not that i've used it in about six months |
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| 19:12.34 | myren | alright, i'll run debian xorg, although i'm terrified this poor thing will sieze up |
| 19:12.48 | greycat | the xserver-xorg seems fine. |
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| 19:13.04 | greycat | it's the combination of that and the C++ ABI shift that's causing havoc with packages being removed |
| 19:13.05 | takatumi | hasn't frozen in about 5 months. |
| 19:13.22 | greycat | just upgrade the server to xserver-xorg. don't upgrade the rest. |
| 19:13.25 | myren | is tthere an ETA on 2.6.12? |
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| 19:13.40 | asuffield | greycat: frankly, I'd say "don't upgrade" |
| 19:13.52 | asuffield | greycat: there's really nothing worth having right now |
| 19:13.57 | greycat | asuffield: well, anyone running sid is already at least 33% crazy. |
| 19:14.14 | Umar | YOU ALL EAT CHEESE!!! |
| 19:14.18 | asuffield | greycat: it's all going to churn over a couple more times in the next week or two. best to wait and save the bandwidth |
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| 19:14.30 | greycat | asuffield: they won't listen, though. |
| 19:14.35 | asuffield | (not to mention the time wasted on fixing botched upgrades) |
| 19:14.50 | launch | Hi which the best msn client for linux please |
| 19:14.55 | Bac9| | greycat: do you happen to know any docs on matroxfb and how to set it up under 2.6? |
| 19:15.02 | Umar | launch gaim works |
| 19:15.07 | launch | thanks |
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| 19:15.11 | ducky | how do you do apachectl configtest on a debian box? |
| 19:15.29 | thewonderllama | greycat: only 33%? |
| 19:15.35 | ducky | -su: apachectl: command not found |
| 19:15.37 | Schiz0 | ducky- apachectl is in the bin dir under the root folder where you installed apache |
| 19:15.41 | greycat | thewonderllama: at least. |
| 19:15.42 | Schiz0 | go there and run it. |
| 19:15.52 | greycat | ducky: so? live without it. |
| 19:15.56 | greycat | ducky: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
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| 19:16.23 | ducky | greycat: that doesn't show your syntax errors |
| 19:16.42 | greycat | APACHECTL=/usr/sbin/${NAME}ctl |
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| 19:17.37 | ducky | I have /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 19:17.39 | myren | how do i kill my wm and start a new one? |
| 19:17.45 | myren | i'm terrified GDM will reset my X session |
| 19:17.46 | greycat | !pal ducky |
| 19:17.48 | asuffield | so you aren't using apache |
| 19:17.51 | asuffield | you're using apache2 |
| 19:17.54 | asuffield | SAY THAT EARLIER |
| 19:18.05 | darkskiez | THAT EARLIER |
| 19:18.06 | Detox | anyone know of a frontpage type prog for linux? |
| 19:18.14 | asuffield | Detox: rm |
| 19:18.21 | Detox | rm? |
| 19:18.25 | redpoptart | Is there a way to specify during an 'apt-get' that I want to use Internet sources only this one time, instead of cd-rom sources? |
| 19:18.28 | darkskiez | Detox: mozilla composer |
| 19:18.32 | darkskiez | Detox: part of mozilla |
| 19:18.33 | useruser | I sometimes get "Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt" on booting when I have a pc card inserted (see http://rupert.dyndns.org/kernel_panic.jpg for a screenshot with call trace). Should I report this somewhere, and if so, where? |
| 19:18.37 | Detox | ok |
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| 19:18.51 | useruser | (and the machine freezes, in case that wasn't clear) |
| 19:18.53 | Schiz0 | myren- ctrl+alt+backspace kills it |
| 19:18.58 | takatumi | Detox: nvu maybe. |
| 19:18.59 | Schiz0 | and startx starts a new one |
| 19:19.04 | Detox | does it have the front page extensions to exit exixting website? |
| 19:19.05 | darkskiez | useruser: 2.6.10? upgrade first |
| 19:19.14 | myren | I want to avoid killing my session |
| 19:19.23 | myren | while starting a new wm |
| 19:19.28 | ducky | I used to red hat, it's hard getting used to debian |
| 19:19.31 | takatumi | myren: kill the bastard. |
| 19:19.31 | Schiz0 | ah |
| 19:19.35 | ducky | s/I/I'm |
| 19:19.38 | asuffield | myren: so write your .xsession to do that |
| 19:19.40 | darkskiez | Detox: I think if you have webdav it might |
| 19:19.47 | useruser | darkskiez: hm, ok. this has affected every kernel i've tried so far, but i suppose it's worth a shot... |
| 19:19.50 | Detox | ok thanks |
| 19:19.54 | myren | xsessions onyl get run on startup |
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| 19:19.59 | myren | i'm running a session already |
| 19:20.05 | myren | and would like to change the wm i am running |
| 19:20.05 | redpoptart | I currently do not have physical access to the machine, therefore I need to use apt-get install from Internet sources. Can I do that without removing the cd-rom source entries from sources.list? |
| 19:20.17 | rabautz | Hi, i just installed mysql-server under debian unstable and am wondering whether it is without ssl-support. There comes a SSL-MINI-HOWTO with the package that says ssl shoud work. I get: mysqld: unknown variable 'ssl-ca=/etc/ssl/cacerts/cert.pem' |
| 19:20.24 | greycat | myren: tell your WM to invoke a different WM. |
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| 19:20.51 | Morti | When I try to run X as a user I get "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." |
| 19:20.56 | Morti | How do I allow users to run X? |
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| 19:21.55 | caphuso | Morti: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
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| 19:23.21 | Morti | Ta caphuso |
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| 19:23.47 | Umar | grub ! working so I need to repair the mbr or boot from cd... how do I do it |
| 19:23.49 | deadcat | whats ddc in the X config file? |
| 19:24.41 | deadcat | Load "ddc" |
| 19:24.52 | greycat | ask #xorg or #xfree86 |
| 19:25.05 | valdyn | !ddc |
| 19:25.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ddc is the Display Data Channel. it provides a way for programs to ask DDC-compliant ("Plug and Play") monitors for information about themselves. |
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| 19:25.39 | fooz | my computer's talking to my monitor about me behind my back! |
| 19:25.51 | rabautz | Umar: boot rescue/life-cd. mount /oldroot /mnt/root, cd /mnt/root, chroot ... make grub working |
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| 19:26.32 | greycat | fooz: you should hear what they said about the NIC. |
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| 19:26.46 | greycat | promiscuity leads to lots and lots of rumors. |
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| 19:29.31 | Pred1|L | the packages.debian.org cant be reached, how can i watch the package discriptions on other way? |
| 19:29.35 | ThePiratemaster | mornin' all |
| 19:30.20 | greycat | Pred1|L: apt-cache {search,show} |
| 19:30.43 | teufel | Could someone help me get mysql set up? I can't seem to find it via apt-get install mysql or anything |
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| 19:31.13 | ThePiratemaster | ok teufel |
| 19:31.19 | ThePiratemaster | im doing the smwe thingm yself atm |
| 19:31.21 | rabautz | teufel: apt-cache search mysql, apt-get install mysql-server |
| 19:31.45 | comforteagle | is there anyway to get a list of debian packages that have source available? |
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| 19:32.14 | greycat | comforteagle: that would be, like, all of them. |
| 19:32.21 | comforteagle | I ran apt-cache dpackage but many don't have their source |
| 19:32.37 | teufel | rabautz: so all I need is the server? |
| 19:32.49 | greycat | no "dpack" in my man page. |
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| 19:32.57 | greycat | put the crack pipe down and step away from the keyboard. |
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| 19:33.14 | tarzeau | good evening |
| 19:33.21 | simonrvn | good afternoon |
| 19:33.42 | comforteagle | pkgnames |
| 19:34.21 | msinhore | hello all: |
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| 19:34.33 | rabautz | No teufel, take mysql-client too.. I think the dependencies where solved automatically .. but perhaps u need php4-mysql or stuff like that.. |
| 19:34.41 | msinhore | I have a problem with aptitude: Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
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| 19:34.52 | kollo | alot of "[python] <defunct>" running with diffrent pids, how to kill them all? |
| 19:34.54 | msinhore | exist a solution? |
| 19:35.01 | greycat | !tell kollo about zombie |
| 19:35.02 | Hiruky | hmm |
| 19:35.08 | Hiruky | I'm running update-grub fixmbr |
| 19:35.13 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.27 | Hiruky | I get this error: /sbin/update-grub: line 1: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 19:35.31 | simonrvn | um, it's not supposed to print the source package with that... |
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| 19:35.40 | teufel | rabautz: hmm ok, I just did aptitude install mysql-server and it grabbed mysql-client as well... Does anyone have a good site that explains how to use mysql then? and how would I know if it installed correctly? |
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| 19:35.45 | myren | arg, jython depends on frakking python2.1 |
| 19:35.55 | myren | i hate having to have a copy of every single python installed on this thing |
| 19:35.58 | pablum | kollo, how do you kill something... that's already dead? |
| 19:36.01 | myren | i'm rather space limited |
| 19:36.02 | Bac9| | anyone use matroxfb with 2.6 and can tell me how to set resolution? |
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| 19:36.15 | shakparl | <3 secpanel |
| 19:36.26 | ThePiratemaster | vsftpd wont work, the error i get is "cannot listen on any IPv4 sockets" and my client returns "No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it. |
| 19:36.52 | rabautz | teufel: try: mysql |
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| 19:37.05 | myren | any why is gnome terminal ~14 megs? |
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| 19:37.16 | greycat | bloat. |
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| 19:38.03 | tarzeau | myren: gnome terminal is utterly broken bullshit |
| 19:38.04 | nutter | Hi guys! I bring lovely problems :) |
| 19:38.14 | tarzeau | nutter: did you read the lovely /topic ? |
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| 19:38.37 | myren | yeah, my aterm works perfectly fine at an astounding 250k |
| 19:38.50 | tarzeau | myren: i also use that, along xterm, and Terminal.app |
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| 19:39.07 | nutter | Yes, which bit in particular am I to be looking at, tarzeau? |
| 19:39.12 | myren | shite, i need to start shaving down this install again |
| 19:39.18 | ThePiratemaster | vsftpd wont work, the error i get is "cannot listen on any IPv4 sockets" and my client returns "No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it." any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 19:39.25 | tarzeau | nutter: what's your lovely problems? |
| 19:39.27 | pablum | zombies are dead children whose parent did not attend to their funeral, whose soul, whose life-spark has departed, leaving an empty husk to roam the process table until the parent has departed this mortal table (or the First Process sees fit to remove them.) |
| 19:39.35 | nutter | Mkie |
| 19:39.43 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 19:39.52 | rabautz | ThePiratemaster: Firewall? Another prog listening there? try: netstat -a |grep tcp|grep LISTEN ... as google says ;) |
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| 19:40.27 | ThePiratemaster | would it help if i'd let it managed by xinetd? |
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| 19:40.32 | Ir_guy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.32 | Ir_guy | than the prior driver. |
| 19:40.40 | Ir_guy | What could be the reason for this |
| 19:40.49 | rabautz | If another prog is listening on that port: No ThePiratemaster |
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| 19:41.05 | nutter | Just updated (using unstable) and it appears to have broken device files (/dev/psaux + /dev/dsp are the most noticable). They can be recreated with mknod but it'd be better to fix it if possible 'cause the mknod hack doesn't seem to agree with some devices. |
| 19:41.30 | nutter | Well, device files. |
| 19:41.33 | ThePiratemaster | so i should just have it listen on another port? |
| 19:42.33 | Ir_guy | The tests i had run were hdparm -tT /dev/sda1 /usr/bin/time --verbose dd if=/dev/zero of=big bs=10240000 count=100 /usr/bin/time --verbose md5sum big |
| 19:42.35 | rabautz | ThePiratemaster: Have you set: listen_ipv6 in config-file? |
| 19:42.49 | teufel | how do I add a new user to the system? |
| 19:42.50 | ThePiratemaster | no i didnt |
| 19:43.04 | ThePiratemaster | else i would need to run 2 servers |
| 19:43.16 | ThePiratemaster | heres the output |
| 19:43.17 | rabautz | ThePiratemaster: What says the netstat-command i mentioned? |
| 19:43.17 | ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/313417 |
| 19:43.25 | ThePiratemaster | lol |
| 19:43.26 | ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/313417 |
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| 19:43.35 | greycat | teufel: adduser |
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| 19:43.59 | ThePiratemaster | i'll add the config file to that |
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| 19:44.19 | jessiejames | Question: (networking) when transferring very large files between two *nix machines, (one compaq alpha and one debian sarge), it stalls. any ideas. thanks in advance |
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| 19:45.08 | ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/313420 |
| 19:45.13 | ThePiratemaster | there |
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| 19:45.17 | teufel | greycat: thanks, how would I change a password ? |
| 19:45.25 | Ir_guy | I had run a series of test to see if drive performance improved after using megaraid 2 But Those results seem to be slower than the prior driver |
| 19:45.38 | guido_wrk | Hi, when I want to ssh into my fresh Debian 3.1 installation, I always get the error message "Connection closed by host <host>" instead a password prompt. Do I have to change anything about the ssh server? |
| 19:45.46 | rabautz | ThePiratemaster: iptables -list ? |
| 19:45.52 | rabautz | --list |
| 19:45.55 | greycat | guido_wrk: check /etc/hosts.deny and the log files |
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| 19:46.23 | valdyn | Ir_guy: remove the entry for your old box on your servers ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 19:46.34 | jessiejames | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.34 | jessiejames | +it stalls. any ideas. thanks in advance |
| 19:46.35 | guido_wrk | greycat: where od I find the logs? I have looked but haven't found them... |
| 19:46.41 | ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/313422 |
| 19:46.51 | ThePiratemaster | theres the output rabouts |
| 19:46.58 | valdyn | jessiejames: dont repeat, bring some useful info |
| 19:47.08 | ThePiratemaster | *rabautz |
| 19:47.29 | simy | when/how are the commands in /etc/network/interfaces used, and are the used the entire time for wifi cards? like if i take my card out and put it back in will it read that file? i need help understanding how this file works... |
| 19:47.30 | Ir_guy | valdyn: I dont get you ? |
| 19:47.35 | guido_wrk | greycat: hosts.deny and hosts.allow are both empty |
| 19:47.56 | jessiejames | im using scp, and can transfer files under about 10MB, but with anything bigger it starts the transfer then stalls |
| 19:48.15 | jessiejames | i disabled IPv6 in sysconfig |
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| 19:48.30 | greycat | guido_wrk: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 19:49.06 | simy | greycat its me again, gota question, i put the correct information in /etc/network/interfaces i just want to make sure thats going to work... |
| 19:49.09 | valdyn | Ir_guy: look at your "Servers" ( the box you are trying to log in to ) ~/.ssh/known_hosts file, does it have an entry for your "fresh install" box? |
| 19:49.28 | jessiejames | greycat: about guido - could it be the init? |
| 19:49.37 | greycat | simy: by definition, if the information is correct, it should work. |
| 19:49.45 | ThePiratemaster | rabautz, any more sugestions? |
| 19:49.57 | rabautz | ThePiratemaster: telnet 127.0.0.1 21 |
| 19:49.58 | simy | greycat well imean im on the new laptop... i just want to make sure because it didnt seam to work before... |
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| 19:50.11 | rabautz | ThePiratemaster: and ethereal perhaps .. |
| 19:50.11 | greycat | jessiejames: it accepted the connection then dropped, based on his error message. |
| 19:50.21 | banani | Was geht ab? |
| 19:50.22 | jessiejames | sry...didnt see that part. |
| 19:50.30 | Ir_guy | valdyn: My question was "I had run a series of test to see if drive performance improved after using megaraid 2 But Those results seem to be slower" |
| 19:50.41 | simy | and while im at it, where can i get some information about the commands n such i can use in that file? |
| 19:50.46 | rabautz | banani: You must be austrian.. |
| 19:50.48 | greycat | simy: man interfaces |
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| 19:50.57 | valdyn | Ir_guy: ops, that was meant for guido_wrk ,sorry |
| 19:51.01 | pablum | !de |
| 19:51.01 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 19:51.03 | rob_lt | jessiejames, does you network card work fine downloading large files from the net, like an iso for example? |
| 19:51.03 | simy | are most/all configuration files like that? |
| 19:51.17 | ThePiratemaster | i dont have telnet |
| 19:51.18 | valdyn | guido_wrk: look at your "Servers" ( the box you are trying to log in to ) ~/.ssh/known_hosts file, does it have an entry for your "fresh install" box? |
| 19:51.28 | rabautz | install it |
| 19:51.57 | jessiejames | rob_lt: yes, no problems there. its (as far as i know) just scp connections |
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| 19:52.02 | pablum | ooh, ich schau mal nach um diesen unfreundlichen teutonen... |
| 19:52.08 | ThePiratemaster | im gonna take another lok at the documentation |
| 19:52.15 | ThePiratemaster | at known bugs |
| 19:52.23 | rbochan | jessiejames: I'm intesrested in this, as I have a similiar effect with a cheap-ass pcmcia nic |
| 19:53.02 | noguest | hello, I have netfilter compiled as modules and I want to run iptables -L -v -x to get some trafic statistics data by script - it doesn't work even if I make suid file becouse it shows that there is no priviliges to modprobe - how can I do this by normal user script ? |
| 19:53.08 | teufel | how do I change a user's password? |
| 19:53.10 | guido_wrk | greycat: at the end of the output of sshd -d -p 2222 it says "Speicherzugriffsfehler" (segmentation fault) (after I try to log in) |
| 19:53.10 | noguest | i tryued sudo |
| 19:53.27 | jessiejames | rbochan: I have tried googling, and the only real suggestion was to disable IPv6, which I did, but still have the same issue |
| 19:53.28 | rbochan | teufel: man passwd |
| 19:53.29 | greycat | guido: that would be bad. |
| 19:53.33 | guido_wrk | valdyn: yes, it does |
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| 19:53.55 | valdyn | guido_wrk: remove that entry and try again |
| 19:53.57 | greycat | guido_wrk: have you tried checking the RAM on this box? memtest86... |
| 19:53.58 | rbochan | jessiejames: I'm afraid my situation is due to a shitty card and a shitty driver |
| 19:54.17 | guido_wrk | could that be because it is running inside uml? |
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| 19:54.26 | jessiejames | lol @ rbochan: thin wallets will get you in trouble |
| 19:54.39 | useruser | i think i used to run cat /proc/pci but this no longer works. what's the updated version? |
| 19:54.50 | rob_lt | jessiejames, maybe try with scp -l and limit the bandwidth speed... see if this makes a difference. |
| 19:54.54 | Mr-R | useruser: lspci |
| 19:54.55 | rbochan | jessiejames: yes... I can pull in files all day.. but if I push files to it, it craps out |
| 19:54.59 | guido_wrk | valdyn: tried that. that's not the issue here, the error message would be different in that case anyway |
| 19:55.15 | jessiejames | rob_lt: good call, didn't think of that... |
| 19:55.18 | valdyn | !debug ssh |
| 19:55.24 | teufel | I get this error when I try to mysql; start----> error 2002: can't connect to local mysql server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) bash: start: command not found |
| 19:55.24 | useruser | Mr-R: thanks |
| 19:55.29 | rob_lt | it may be a network saturation of some kind |
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| 19:55.40 | rbochan | rob_lt: that's brilliant! |
| 19:56.02 | valdyn | !test |
| 19:56.03 | dpkg | Yes, valdyn, you're still online. |
| 19:56.07 | rbochan | now I can get porn to my laptop :) |
| 19:56.11 | raf256 | ok I managed to compile 2.6.13-rc3, but, their iptables support sucks ass, even tcp-flags match, nor TTL or mangle target work.... wtf? what should I do then? |
| 19:56.15 | rob_lt | well, just hope it has some effect, it's all I can think of besides it being a crappy nic |
| 19:56.41 | jessiejames | rob_lt: its my home machine connect to our server at work. after the major transformation in our network that occurred, im afraid that it may be the ISP |
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| 19:57.02 | jessiejames | as of now our network can handle most anything |
| 19:57.09 | raf256 | there imho realy should be *.deb for each kernel in -bigger mode (tha means: including usefull things like full iptables, atopcnt, perhaps grsec support) |
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| 19:57.37 | raf256 | !smite kernels DD for not making -advanced version of kernels |
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| 19:58.15 | valdyn | guido_wrk: run 'sshd -p someport -d' on your server and log into that via 'ssh -p someport' |
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| 19:58.46 | Bac9 | raf256: kernel-package |
| 19:58.46 | Hyde_ | I have a dell with wireless internet, where would i get the driver or module to install with debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso? |
| 19:58.47 | karsten | raf256: Build yer own and bring out yer dead. |
| 19:58.57 | myren | do cellphones use minutes if you are recieving a call? |
| 19:58.59 | karsten | Hyde_: What WiFi? |
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| 19:59.02 | valdyn | !fix-ssh |
| 19:59.03 | dpkg | ln -s libgmp2.so.2 libgmp2.so |
| 19:59.07 | Hyde_ | i think so |
| 19:59.12 | karsten | myren: Yes, usually, check your plan for details. |
| 19:59.14 | greycat | gmp2? |
| 19:59.22 | raf256 | karsten: how to build own kernel? apply patchomatic over the 2.6.13-rc3? |
| 19:59.27 | valdyn | !factinfo fix-ssh |
| 19:59.27 | dpkg | fix-ssh -- it has been requested 9 times, last by valdyn, 25s ago. |
| 19:59.36 | greycat | DAAAAAMN, that must be ancient. |
| 19:59.37 | karsten | myren: Given that this is an international channel, rules'n'regs vary widely. |
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| 19:59.51 | netsurf3 | is it possible to burn a grub boot cd? |
| 19:59.52 | greycat | !info libgmp2 woody |
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| 20:00.00 | greycat | netsurf3: ask #grub |
| 20:00.01 | guido_wrk | !test |
| 20:00.01 | netsurf3 | and anyone know how? |
| 20:00.01 | dpkg | No, guido_wrk, you're not online any more. |
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| 20:00.07 | sam__ | h |
| 20:00.07 | karsten | !tell raf256 about kp |
| 20:00.13 | Hyde_ | karsten: yes |
| 20:00.13 | karsten | netsurf3: Yes. |
| 20:00.17 | netsurf3 | graycat i am on it no one knows |
| 20:00.19 | vezult | is there a way to get firefox to display addresscards from an ldap server by default? when I search for a contact, It displays them, but not otherwise |
| 20:00.30 | greycat | netsurf3: then you get to be the guru! |
| 20:00.37 | karsten | netsurf3: It's covered in the GRUB howtos. |
| 20:00.38 | greycat | netsurf3: figure it out :) |
| 20:00.51 | raf256 | karsten: kp sucks donekys balls. besides I cant even apply p-o-m cleanly over 2.6.13-rc3, using .deb's there will be even MORE problems |
| 20:00.52 | karsten | netsurf3: ..and or info pages. |
| 20:00.54 | netsurf3 | greycat your so kind :) |
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| 20:01.02 | karsten | Hyde_: Yes what? |
| 20:01.06 | raf256 | karsten: also there is no debian source for 2.6.13-rc3 |
| 20:01.08 | Hyde_ | its WiFi |
| 20:01.10 | netsurf3 | thanks karsten |
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| 20:01.19 | guido_wrk | valdyn: I already tried that (on greycats hint). It segfaulted |
| 20:01.24 | karsten | Hyde_: What manufacturer? What model? What chipset? |
| 20:01.24 | valdyn | raf256: why are you trying to use an rcX kernel? |
| 20:01.28 | karsten | !cluebat Hyde_ |
| 20:01.45 | valdyn | guido_wrk: yea, i saw, i think the same as greycat, you have a broken system |
| 20:01.45 | raf256 | valdyn: to have bleading edge one, and because pom didnt worked with 2.6.12 either |
| 20:01.48 | greycat | valdyn: more to the point, why would he think someone would bother uploading a debianized rc* kernel source tree deb? |
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| 20:01.51 | myren | how do i alter the # of virtual esktops in gnome? |
| 20:01.54 | valdyn | guido_wrk: be it ram or whatever. |
| 20:01.55 | Yokalosh | i think i am just a major idiot but even if i follow the instructions for xpde i cant get it to work |
| 20:01.57 | myren | i cant find any configuration stuff for it |
| 20:02.00 | raf256 | valdyn: I need recent kernel for better Amd64 MB and SATA support |
| 20:02.02 | Yokalosh | can anyone help? |
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| 20:02.08 | raf256 | !anyone |
| 20:02.08 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:02.09 | karsten | myren: gnome-control-center |
| 20:02.17 | myren | i cant find anything for it there |
| 20:02.34 | valdyn | raf256: and 2.6.12 ( or even earlier ) isnt good enough? |
| 20:02.37 | guido_wrk | valdyn: well, the system is running under user mode linux, but all other stuff is working fine |
| 20:02.37 | karsten | raf256: You can do a Debian kernel build with stock kernel sources. Mind that stock kernel generally needs patching to be sane. |
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| 20:02.50 | Hyde_ | karsten: Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection |
| 20:02.55 | Yokalosh | well that helps raf256 |
| 20:02.57 | karsten | myren: "Desktops" tab IIRC, or /join #gnome. |
| 20:03.07 | raf256 | valdyn: there isnt .deb source for 2.6.12 either is ther? also p-o-m didn worked for me with 2.6.12 |
| 20:03.12 | karsten | Hyde_: Is that from Linux or Windows system info? |
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| 20:03.18 | Hyde_ | Windows |
| 20:03.31 | takatumi | p-o-m? |
| 20:03.32 | valdyn | raf256: its still better than using an rcX kernel. |
| 20:03.50 | vezult | takatumi: Patch-O-Matic |
| 20:03.55 | raf256 | takatumi: patchomatic - collection of nice patches, that for some reason, fucking iptables devels did not included (even the stable ones) |
| 20:04.06 | karsten | Hyde_: OK. If you've got a cat5 wired connection, that's often easier than WiFi. You may need a full install disk. |
| 20:04.12 | takatumi | hmm, never tried it. |
| 20:04.24 | rob_lt | Yokalosh, define "can't get it to work" |
| 20:04.26 | karsten | vezult: Prisoner of Mother (England). |
| 20:04.29 | raf256 | the "do it by hand" rule in linux worlds sometimes is a fuckling waste of time. |
| 20:04.36 | drac | people in unstable can look "apt-cache show udev", and see udev in unstable requires kernel-image-2.6.12 to work properly, so i'd guess it'll be anytime now. |
| 20:04.52 | greycat | or maybe we'll just point and laugh some more |
| 20:05.06 | valdyn | raf256: its your problem if you want to use alpha quality experimental software and expect it to be spoonfed |
| 20:05.08 | Spec | How do you get bash to not wrap lines? I thought it was `set horizontal-scroll-mode On', but that doesn't seem to make a difference. |
| 20:05.12 | greycat | !laugh at gnome and udev users |
| 20:05.14 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! gnome and udev users just cracks me up! |
| 20:05.14 | raf256 | FedoraCore devels, for instance, managed to provied grSec pre-built into their kernel. |
| 20:05.17 | takatumi | Linux air 2.6.12-19-06-05 #1 Mon Jun 20 17:26:46 AST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux (did that to fix udev warnings) |
| 20:05.20 | karsten | Hyde_: http://www.google.com/search?q=Intel+PRO%2FWireless+2915ABG+debian |
| 20:05.23 | karsten | Hyde_: GIYF |
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| 20:05.37 | Justin | raf256: fedora core is also just beta testing for redhat |
| 20:05.38 | Hyde_ | ok, thanks |
| 20:05.42 | greycat | Spec: why on EARTH would you want bash to hide the long command you're typing like ksh does? |
| 20:05.48 | takatumi | or actually before that maybe. |
| 20:05.50 | raf256 | Justin: why not give such choice for deb users? |
| 20:06.08 | valdyn | raf256: yea, why dont you do it, package it, go ahead ) |
| 20:06.09 | raf256 | like normal kernels -extra kernels (full iptables, atopcnt etc), and -grsec kernels |
| 20:06.15 | Justin | raf256: http://www.trusteddebian.org/ |
| 20:06.23 | raf256 | valdyn: its like 2 days of work for me, and like 60 min for one good DD... |
| 20:06.33 | valdyn | raf256: no. |
| 20:06.35 | rabautz | teufel: does it work now? |
| 20:06.36 | Spec | greycat: Good question |
| 20:06.44 | karsten | Spec: Take away its turntables and MC. |
| 20:06.55 | raf256 | valdyn: ok, including the testing: 3 DD devels must spend 3 days lets say == 9 daypersons. |
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| 20:07.00 | takatumi | raf256: spend 3 days, do it the next time in 60 mins, still worth it. |
| 20:07.03 | launch | a filemanager for gnome please |
| 20:07.09 | karsten | launch: bash |
| 20:07.11 | Spec | karsten: hehehehe |
| 20:07.13 | greycat | launch: coreutils |
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| 20:07.16 | karsten | launch: Of if you must: nautilus. |
| 20:07.18 | launch | thanks |
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| 20:07.20 | raf256 | ...in order that like 10000 debian users all over the day can do it in 15 minutes (apt-get install) instead of repeting same work in 3 days |
| 20:07.23 | karsten | launch: s/Of/Or/ |
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| 20:07.33 | takatumi | !breastfeed raf256 |
| 20:07.34 | raf256 | that saves debian users 10000*2.9 days of time in summary |
| 20:07.43 | pablum | I'm sure if you googled enough you could find a company willing to sell Debian to you for $1000+. |
| 20:07.47 | raf256 | !crawlsmite takatumi |
| 20:07.48 | greycat | raf256: it saves me zero time because i had no intention of TOUCHING grsec to begin with. |
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| 20:08.02 | karsten | pablum: Who you talking at? |
| 20:08.04 | raf256 | greycat: I siad 10000 debian users, not 1000000 |
| 20:08.10 | [2HMC] | msg dpkg nautilus |
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| 20:08.14 | greycat | ok, true. |
| 20:08.20 | karsten | pablum: See the Debian vendors list at http://www.debian.org/ |
| 20:08.45 | raf256 | realy FedoraCore is better then debian in field of providing advanced kernels... :-/ |
| 20:08.53 | pablum | karsten, i'm just kidding w/raf2^8 |
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| 20:08.59 | raf256 | and Im loosing 2nd day fucking with iptables |
| 20:08.59 | karsten | pablum: ah... |
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| 20:09.13 | karsten | raf256: Try shorewall. |
| 20:09.14 | Bac9 | raf256: what's wrong with iptables? |
| 20:09.27 | valdyn | raf256: fedora core is *explicitely* also a beta testing place, debian is not. |
| 20:09.37 | raf256 | Bac9: I need support for TTL (and the 2.6.13 dont have TTL as all other, and int ADDITION also do not support even --tcp-falgs) |
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| 20:10.07 | raf256 | valdyn: well, thoes kernles will be an optional kernels to choose *explicitely* by user willing to take the risk |
| 20:10.16 | Bac9 | raf256: apt-get install kernel-package <-- read the 5 step howto in the README and use it |
| 20:10.28 | rabautz | Bac9: VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP (rev 85) |
| 20:10.29 | raf256 | Bac9: there is no kernel-source for >= 2.6.12 |
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| 20:10.36 | omnistegan | Hey guys, I love debian but my new computer is 64bit... Is there debian or a debian based linux specifically for 64bit? |
| 20:10.40 | karsten | Bac9: I prefer bicycles myself. |
| 20:10.47 | Atula | !torrent |
| 20:10.48 | Bac9 | rabautz: do you have framebuffer working with 2.6? |
| 20:10.49 | takatumi | raf256: use the one from kernel.org |
| 20:10.50 | raf256 | omnistegan: it will work, just run it normally in 32b modwe |
| 20:10.51 | greycat | raf256: use the UPSTREAM SOURCE. |
| 20:10.53 | greycat | JESUS! |
| 20:11.03 | karsten | omnistegan: Experimental AMD64 port, offical IA64 port. |
| 20:11.05 | valdyn | omnistegan: yes, /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 20:11.06 | Atula | omnistegan: there's such a thing. yes. |
| 20:11.09 | Bac9 | raf256: that's because 2.6.13 isn't out yet |
| 20:11.12 | karsten | greycat: LIVES! |
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| 20:11.14 | raf256 | greycat: OFCOURSE I did that! I said I _have_ a (hand compiled) 2.6.12.2 (and .13-rc3) |
| 20:11.19 | Bac9 | raf256: go to kernel.org and see for yourself |
| 20:11.23 | valdyn | karsten: its official now. ( i thought ) |
| 20:11.26 | Atula | !torrent |
| 20:11.33 | raf256 | Bac9: omfg I know, i JUST compiled 2.6.12.2 and .13-rc3 |
| 20:11.38 | rabautz | Bac9: I dont think so... how do i verify .. |
| 20:11.43 | valdyn | karsten: just hosted elsewhere. |
| 20:11.49 | raf256 | Im having a hard time to applying patchomatic to them... any help? |
| 20:11.51 | karsten | valdyn: Yeah, in etch, which isn't released yet... So go figure. It's offically testing... |
| 20:11.55 | backspace_ | hi, I restarted the Xserver and now my backspace key doesn't work under xterm, I checked the .Xresouces file, and I have put one entry in there, called deleteisdel, I believe I am missing another 5re |
| 20:11.56 | rob_lt | Where are my default build options stored. For example, when I execute "make" when building from source, or compiling a kernel, what compile options are being used? |
| 20:11.59 | backspace_ | resource |
| 20:11.59 | Bac9 | rabautz: what kernel version are you using? is it 2.6? |
| 20:12.01 | valdyn | karsten: no, in sarge ( i mean ) |
| 20:12.08 | raf256 | rob_lt: none? |
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| 20:12.15 | backspace_ | could anyone possibly tell me which resource i need to use in .Xresouces for backspace to work properly |
| 20:12.17 | rabautz | 2.6.8-2 Bac9 |
| 20:12.19 | Wazup | What does echo use for the console bell? There must be system call for it right? |
| 20:12.24 | rob_lt | raf256, is it building for 386 or 686 by default? |
| 20:12.26 | karsten | backspace_: Um. Check that you're not remapping any keys. Or run xkeycaps to see what's what. |
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| 20:12.35 | Bac9 | rabautz: and what resolution is your console at? |
| 20:12.43 | raf256 | rob_lt: with no flags, gcc and g++ build for i386 by default |
| 20:12.45 | karsten | valdyn: No, it's *unofficial* in sarge, but is being updated to be close to sarge. |
| 20:12.50 | Bac9 | Wazup: ^B I believe |
| 20:13.01 | karsten | !amd64 |
| 20:13.01 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 20:13.07 | backspace_ | and also , when I use control plus right/left click, in the xterm window, the menu is truncated and i only see the title, none of the rest of the menus show up, because usually i select the backspace option fromthe ctrl menu |
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| 20:13.25 | rabautz | Bac9: I think 800x600 |
| 20:13.28 | backspace_ | why is the menu not showing, also, i checked the keymappings, they seem to be alright |
| 20:13.30 | karsten | backspace_: also man stty |
| 20:13.35 | raf256 | so anyone recently tried compiling 2.6.12.2 or 13-rc3 with support for p-o-m? |
| 20:13.41 | karsten | backspace_: What desktop? |
| 20:13.45 | rob_lt | raf256, ok... so where do I make a global change so anytime I compile something it is compiled for 686, including building a kernel? |
| 20:13.48 | backspace_ | xfce |
| 20:13.48 | rabautz | I don't use it, and can't watch now, it is at work.. |
| 20:13.49 | Bac9 | rabautz: now the big question, how did you get it to that? where did you set it at boot time? |
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| 20:14.04 | karsten | rob_lt: #gentoo ;-) |
| 20:14.06 | rbochan | Bac9: man lilo.conf |grep vga |
| 20:14.14 | greycat | !karsten++ |
| 20:14.18 | rob_lt | karsten, thanks, but no thanks :) |
| 20:14.20 | backspace_ | oh good loord I am an idiot |
| 20:14.24 | Bac9 | rbochan: matroxfb doesn't use vga acording to docs |
| 20:14.30 | raf256 | !gentoosmite rob_lt |
| 20:14.35 | backspace_ | no maybe I'm not |
| 20:14.45 | raf256 | rob_lt: you probably dont |
| 20:14.52 | backspace_ | backspace key works under xterm, but when I am inside irssi, it doesn't work |
| 20:14.53 | raf256 | rob_lt: you might make a script for that though |
| 20:15.04 | rob_lt | raf256, I don't want to use gentoo. I would like to compile my kernel for 686, since Im going through all the trouble to compile on anyway. |
| 20:15.05 | karsten | rob_lt: I don't believe there's a build options type thing for Debian in general. Maybe environment? |
| 20:15.11 | greycat | backspace_: stty erase whatever |
| 20:15.20 | greycat | backspace_: it works *in bash*, not "under xterm". |
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| 20:15.24 | rob_lt | raf256, karsten: ok, thanks for your help |
| 20:15.25 | Bac9 | rbochan: besides lilo.conf's vga setting is only for lilo, not for kernel fb |
| 20:15.27 | karsten | rob_lt: ...man gcc. You *can* specify build ops in environment. |
| 20:15.46 | raf256 | rob_lt: as for kernel, there is option for that in generic settings |
| 20:15.48 | backspace_ | greycat: sorry what? could you elaborate a bit |
| 20:15.53 | karsten | backspace_: Can you screenshot that and paste img url? |
| 20:16.11 | backspace_ | unfortunately i can't, i havent any webspace anywhere |
| 20:16.12 | rabautz | Bac9: Isn't there a simple way to verify, whether i really use framebuffer? |
| 20:16.17 | raf256 | rob_lt: one of the first options is CPU type. |
| 20:16.18 | backspace_ | but take an ss of what though/\ |
| 20:16.25 | greycat | backspace_: man stty |
| 20:16.37 | backspace_ | gah ok |
| 20:16.38 | karsten | raf256: I think he's talking 686 optimizations for *any* build. |
| 20:16.41 | backspace_ | erg |
| 20:16.48 | karsten | rob_lt: Might ask in #debian-devel. |
| 20:16.50 | Bac9 | rabautz: check what modiles are loaded, if the framebuffer matrox module is than chances are you're using framebuffer |
| 20:16.52 | raf256 | karsten: for any build well add -march=i686 |
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| 20:17.03 | karsten | raf256: Bingo. |
| 20:17.12 | karsten | raf256: ...in some GCC env var. |
| 20:17.16 | struggler | ln problem |
| 20:17.25 | Bac9 | rabautz: I am just trying to figure out how to tell it what resolution to use at boot, syntax seems to have changed since 2.4 |
| 20:17.29 | raf256 | or make /usr/bin/gcc a script calling real gcc with -march=i686 option |
| 20:17.43 | struggler | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.46 | struggler | one would think this would create a link |
| 20:17.48 | karsten | Anyone know of a site where images can be uploaded temporarially? |
| 20:17.52 | struggler | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.53 | struggler | but the link actually points to /etc/rc5.d/init.d/postgresql |
| 20:17.59 | karsten | backspace_: Running a webserver on your system now? |
| 20:18.05 | backspace_ | karsten: not yet |
| 20:18.15 | valdyn | rob_lt: you have to look into your software's build system, './configure --help' is probably a good start. |
| 20:18.19 | backspace_ | karsten: i can't figure out how to let my router properly forward 80 |
| 20:18.20 | karsten | backspace_: aptitude install apache. It's trivial to set up. |
| 20:18.21 | streuner | karsten: images like pictures? |
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| 20:18.26 | PeTeRB | struggler: man update-rc.d |
| 20:18.27 | karsten | backspace_: Ah... |
| 20:18.29 | greycat | raf256: or use pentium-builder which already does this. |
| 20:18.32 | karsten | streuner: Screenshots, yeah. |
| 20:18.38 | pablum | backspace_, screendump is in console-tools |
| 20:18.45 | raf256 | greycat: last time I check pentium-builder sucked donkey balls |
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| 20:19.06 | rabautz | Bac9: I don't see any framebuffer-modules nor framebuffer-messages in logs.. |
| 20:19.09 | streuner | karsten: http://imageshack.us/ |
| 20:19.10 | karsten | backspace_: ... or 'import' as part of imagemagick: import -window root /tmp/screen.png |
| 20:19.16 | backspace_ | pablum: thats not the problem :) actually backspace works in xterm and not under irssi, what could the problem be |
| 20:19.18 | karsten | backspace_: ^^ streuner |
| 20:19.24 | struggler | PeTeRB: I understand that, the question was is ln supposed to behave that way? |
| 20:19.24 | karsten | !wine streuner |
| 20:19.31 | backspace_ | karsten: i use scrot |
| 20:19.38 | karsten | backspace_: TMTOWTDI |
| 20:19.41 | streuner | dpkg, ss |
| 20:19.41 | pablum | backspace_, that was for your 'post on paste' dilemma... |
| 20:19.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 20:19.49 | Bac9 | rabautz: matroxfb_base is the one, but I have no clue how to set the initial resolution for it |
| 20:19.55 | backspace_ | karsten: ? |
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| 20:20.11 | karsten | !tell backspace_ about TMTOWTDI |
| 20:20.15 | backspace_ | scrot works just as well :) |
| 20:20.23 | Bac9 | rabautz: if that one is not loaded maybe you're just running the regular 80x25 console |
| 20:20.27 | simonrvn | @find touchpad |
| 20:20.30 | simonrvn | !find touchpad |
| 20:20.40 | dpkg | Debian Desc Search of 'touchpad' (4): ksynaptics ;; qsynaptics ;; tpconfig ;; xfree86-driver-synaptics. |
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| 20:20.45 | pablum | backspace_, did you try Ctrl-H? |
| 20:20.46 | karsten | simonrvn: Under your fingers? |
| 20:20.51 | backspace_ | ok I went through the fairly small stty manpage, but i didn't find anything u seful |
| 20:21.19 | backspace_ | pablum: ctrl + bs key deletses one character to the left, but without ctrl it doens't, but thats only in irssi |
| 20:21.27 | backspace_ | under xterm it self, i have no p roblems with any keys |
| 20:21.38 | backspace_ | they all work as intended, as well as keymapping are good/fine |
| 20:21.51 | Atula | !there? |
| 20:21.53 | pablum | backspace_, i don't use irssi, but sounds like a key-binding thing |
| 20:22.02 | Atula | is the bot not around today? |
| 20:22.07 | Supaplex | !test |
| 20:22.07 | dpkg | No, supaplex, you're not online any more. |
| 20:22.18 | Atula | !oh |
| 20:22.18 | dpkg | i guess oh is the admin of linux.Box.sk |
| 20:22.31 | raf256 | how can I cat a .gz filed? |
| 20:22.33 | Atula | it's around I see |
| 20:22.41 | hruske | raf256 zcat |
| 20:22.46 | raf256 | like cat /proc/config.gz | grep foobar but with unpac... hruske ok |
| 20:23.08 | backspace_ | pablum: i concluded that as well, but i have only had this problem starting this morning, it was working perfectly earlir, before i apt-get upgraded, also, you know when you hold ctrl down and use middle/right/left click in xterm to get the menus, well suddenly, now, the menu shows up, but alli see is the title, the ret of the mnu is truncated |
| 20:23.09 | PeTeRB | raf256: zgrep foobar /proc/config.gz ;) |
| 20:23.13 | rbochan | too damn funny |
| 20:23.15 | karsten | raf256: zcat or man lesspipe |
| 20:23.33 | backspace_ | i can't figure out why |
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| 20:23.35 | greycat | or gzip -dc |
| 20:23.37 | Kiowas | hello |
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| 20:24.31 | mhall_ | Is there anything you can look for in two executables to determine which was built later on in time? |
| 20:24.33 | backspace_ | i've checked modmap |
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| 20:24.36 | backspace_ | seems fine |
| 20:24.37 | pablum | backspace_, uh. unstable? (I haven't updated anything for a couple days) |
| 20:24.44 | backspace_ | no, sarge |
| 20:24.57 | Diguinho | my gnome is starting 2 gnome-panel and is showing an error message. How do I prevent that ? |
| 20:24.59 | sgn | Is it possible to parse variables/commands to compiled-in modules in the kernel? |
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| 20:25.04 | sgn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:25.21 | greycat | sgn: boot parameters |
| 20:25.29 | mhall_ | sgn: yeah what greycat said |
| 20:25.30 | backspace_ | Diguinho: ps x|grep gnome panel, kill one process, save session and quit and get back in |
| 20:25.33 | greycat | which, as the name implies, are passed at boot time. |
| 20:25.43 | djabrail_ | hi |
| 20:25.56 | mhall_ | greycat: but how do you give them to a certain driver instead of the whole kernel |
| 20:26.18 | greycat | mhall_: uh... I guess you ask ##linux :) |
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| 20:26.37 | Diguinho | backspace_: how do I save the session? |
| 20:26.55 | greycat | (who would be crazy enough to build something as nonessential as bttv NONmodularly?) |
| 20:26.57 | djabrail_ | any wmmi users ? |
| 20:26.58 | djabrail_ | http://wmi.modprobe.de/ |
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| 20:27.49 | pablum | Diguinho, log out... it's a checkbox |
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| 20:27.57 | Diguinho | I already did that |
| 20:28.00 | backspace_ | Diguinho: just use the mneu to quit gnome and check the box where it says sace session |
| 20:28.24 | dak | hm |
| 20:28.34 | Diguinho | just did that |
| 20:28.36 | backspace_ | or you can use save session automatically on quit |
| 20:28.44 | Diguinho | and before did that, I run gnome-session-save |
| 20:28.46 | backspace_ | in gnoem-control[panel |
| 20:28.54 | Diguinho | and it's still loading 2 panels on startup |
| 20:29.24 | djabrail_ | no one ? |
| 20:29.28 | Diguinho | i'm running crazy ! |
| 20:29.29 | Diguinho | it's ilogical |
| 20:29.52 | mhall_ | greycat: I would. I hate modules. |
| 20:29.53 | backspace_ | Diguinho: you grepped the process list for gnome-panel, then you kliled one of the processes, so now you have only one process running of gnome-panel, then you save your session and exit, it should work |
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| 20:30.15 | Diguinho | backspace_: I know it should work, but it's not! |
| 20:30.24 | backspace_ | Diguinho: it loads up two seperate gnome-panle procs or does it load one and give error on the other that one is already running\? |
| 20:30.32 | Diguinho | let me see |
| 20:30.54 | Diguinho | ok, right now is running only one |
| 20:30.56 | Justin | Diguinho: run gnome-session-properties and edit the session rather than just killing stuff |
| 20:31.05 | greycat | mhall_: whee, rebooting for every little change you want to make is so fun! |
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| 20:31.07 | backspace_ | do what justin said |
| 20:31.14 | mhall_ | greycat: lol |
| 20:31.14 | backspace_ | thats a much better way |
| 20:31.21 | backspace_ | mine was a quckfix |
| 20:31.22 | mhall_ | greycat: I don't really make any. |
| 20:31.35 | pablum | Diguinho, or right click on the extraneous panel and "delete panel", then save session |
| 20:31.39 | mhall_ | greycat: All the ones I make involve shuffling PCI cards anyways. |
| 20:31.41 | Diguinho | ok, running gnome-session-properties |
| 20:31.46 | mhall_ | greycat: And I don't have hotswap PCI. |
| 20:32.05 | Diguinho | pablum: but the extraneous panel does not show. It says "already detect one panel running" and then it quits. |
| 20:32.14 | pablum | haha |
| 20:32.14 | Diguinho | but this message is damn annoying |
| 20:32.44 | greycat | mhall_: but let's say, just purely hypothetically, you had an ATI Radeon card and you upgraded to xserver-xorg and it said "Behold mortal! I can grant thee the power of DRM, but thou must have agpgart loaded into memory before thy radeon module!" |
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| 20:32.49 | Diguinho | i'm telling you, it's driving me crazy |
| 20:33.15 | pablum | I had three volume controls failing to load when I was getting alsa working... |
| 20:33.21 | Diguinho | ok sessions/current session |
| 20:33.22 | greycat | and you'd be like, "Oh, great and powerful magical x server, I shall do this! Let me reboot... but alas, how do I control the order of the things which are not modules? Oh, I am lost!" |
| 20:33.23 | mhall_ | greycat: ok. But I hardloaded agpgart and the nv driver is a mandatory module |
| 20:33.31 | backspace_ | you know what |
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| 20:33.45 | Diguinho | there I see 2 gnome-panel |
| 20:33.47 | greycat | but I can just do "rmmod agpgart; rmmod radeon; modprobe agpgart; modprobe radeon" and I am happy. |
| 20:33.50 | pablum | they failed to load but they were retained in the session properties when i innocently tried to save the session. |
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| 20:34.13 | backspace_ | maybe my backspace is fucked because i removed gdm loader, and now i suse startxfce4 to start x, do they both read .Xresouces or not? |
| 20:34.15 | mhall_ | greycat: I can see where that's a problem. But it never happened to me, yet. So I guess I just did not think of it. |
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| 20:34.47 | Diguinho | one gnome-panel has a "restart" flag an a suffix: gnome-panel --sm-config-prefix /gnome-panel-blah-blah-blah. |
| 20:34.57 | backspace_ | i merged the resouces file just now and still no luck, it works under xterm and everywhere else, just not under irssi |
| 20:34.57 | Diguinho | The other one says just "gnome-panel".. |
| 20:35.07 | greycat | mhall_: or, to take another *purely* hypothetical example, let's say the place you work for has their network ports hardwired to 100 Half duplex, but then one day, POP! Their brains blow yet another fuse, and they change the port you're connected to to 100 Full duplex... |
| 20:35.28 | greycat | so you just remove the NIC driver module and reload it with a different argument to force 100 full |
| 20:35.40 | greycat | but wait! yours isn't a driver *module*, so you have to reboot. I don't. |
| 20:35.49 | Diguinho | if I remove the one that says just "gnome-panel", then the running gnome-panel exits and then come back again |
| 20:36.00 | Justin | greycat: most new cards support MII and thus you can use mii-tool to reneg |
| 20:36.17 | greycat | Justin: possibly. |
| 20:36.18 | Diguinho | if I remove the one with the "reload" or "refresh" tag, then gnome-panel quits forever |
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| 20:36.47 | Justin | greycat: and most new cards are also smart enough to do it automatically for you :-) |
| 20:36.49 | mhall_ | greycat: Mine autorenegotiates. |
| 20:36.50 | backspace_ | people, stty -a|grep erase shows erase = ^? . is that right or not, should i modify it to ^H (i ma dumbass when it comes to linux, sorry) |
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| 20:37.04 | Diguinho | i'll delete my fucking ~/.gconf ! |
| 20:37.06 | greycat | Justin: impossible. a hardwired port cannot be autonegotiated. the card must also be hardwired. |
| 20:37.07 | streuner | mhall: Why do you "hate" modules? |
| 20:37.33 | greycat | gateway:/net/home/wooledg# mii-tool |
| 20:37.33 | greycat | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Invalid argument |
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| 20:37.41 | streuner | mhall_: i don't see hardly ONE reason NOT to use modules |
| 20:37.41 | Justin | greycat: hardware upgrade time :-P |
| 20:37.43 | greycat | gateway:/net/home/wooledg# lsmod |
| 20:37.43 | greycat | Module Size Used by |
| 20:37.43 | greycat | 3c59x 20692 1 |
| 20:37.44 | mhall_ | streuner: Well they cause me problems. They don't load right, sometimes my kernel bombs when I try to remove some, etc. |
| 20:37.50 | greycat | Linux gateway 2.2.26 #1 Wed Feb 25 14:03:43 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:38.20 | streuner | heh, that's the only module you have? |
| 20:38.25 | greycat | on that machine, yes |
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| 20:38.45 | greycat | it's a custom kernel, and all the file system drivers are built in |
| 20:38.45 | streuner | true, why do you need more on a gateway... |
| 20:38.48 | dak | i use the same mod and it works fine |
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| 20:38.49 | mhall_ | streuner: All of the mandatory modularized services I have cause issues. Like loop-aes, for instance. The loop device nodes do not show up until the module is handloaded |
| 20:39.13 | mhall_ | greycat: <shock>built in?</shock> |
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| 20:39.45 | streuner | mhall: filesystems, you need them ;-) |
| 20:39.58 | mhall_ | streuner: I wish I could patch it right into the kernel but that's not supported. So if you want a crypted boot FS, you have to use initrd. |
| 20:40.00 | streuner | or you running INITRD :-) |
| 20:40.06 | mhall_ | streuner: Initrd really really sucks. |
| 20:40.15 | nomed^ | anyone that has tryed debootstrap/testing version? |
| 20:40.15 | mhall_ | streuner: Another reason not to like modules. |
| 20:40.24 | Justin | greycat: i think your switches suck |
| 20:40.41 | greycat | Justin: so do I. |
| 20:40.44 | nomed^ | i'm having some problems .. everything has been changed :/ |
| 20:40.47 | Justin | greycat: mii-tool: eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok |
| 20:40.56 | Justin | greycat: now lets run a 'no duplex half': |
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| 20:40.59 | greycat | Justin: maybe mii-tool doesn't work on 2.2.x kernels? |
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| 20:41.09 | Justin | greycat: eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 20:41.10 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# lsmod | wc -l |
| 20:41.10 | streuner | 83 |
| 20:41.17 | nomed^ | hi greycat |
| 20:41.17 | streuner | *duck* :-) |
| 20:41.21 | Justin | greycat: well, your card also needs to support it, but the 3coms should |
| 20:41.35 | pablum | verfluechte |
| 20:41.36 | greycat | eth0: 3Com 3c905 Boomerang 100baseTx at 0xfcc0, 00:60:08:31:c2:e8, IRQ 10 |
| 20:41.50 | Justin | greycat: i have a Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] in one box, and it does... probably 2.2's fault |
| 20:41.54 | greycat | I also have a dozen or so of this: eth0: memory shortage |
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| 20:41.55 | jazzanova | i am using apm, what should i use to control disk spindown ? |
| 20:41.57 | greycat | how bad is that? |
| 20:41.57 | streuner | mhall: if you 'hate' modules' you haven't hotplug installed ... :-) |
| 20:42.26 | greycat | I could upgrade the kernel on that box, but 2.2.x has been working so I didn't want to screw with it |
| 20:42.37 | Justin | greycat: bad, if I recall, one 3com card let you tune the rx/tx buffers depending on which you were doing |
| 20:42.38 | greycat | it's also *really* tight on disk space. |
| 20:42.45 | pablum | I have four launchers in a gnome panel, when i move the pointer in an out of the panel above the four launchers, the first and last ones swap places. And they are locked in the panel. |
| 20:42.56 | Justin | greycat: the default was a 50/50 thing, but if you knew you primarily sent data you could tell it to use more for tx |
| 20:43.18 | greycat | Justin: erg. sounds like an ugly hack. |
| 20:43.38 | mhall_ | streuner: well with a name like knusper, i could see how it'd be a pretty modular system ;-) |
| 20:43.49 | Justin | greycat: heh, eth0: memory shortage is better than kswapd0: page allocation failure |
| 20:43.53 | pablum | I misses fvwm2, and considers going back. I still have my rc file. Yes, I does. |
| 20:43.58 | nomed^ | i really do not like the new debootstrap . :/ |
| 20:44.02 | greycat | pablum: good idea. |
| 20:44.13 | Wazup | Bac9: Found it. KIOCSOUND send that to an open /dev/console discriptor. |
| 20:44.39 | mhall_ | streuner: i do keep it installed because you need it for some devices |
| 20:44.43 | Bac9 | Wazup: last I looke dit was just Ctrl+B or somesuch |
| 20:44.43 | pablum | greycat, I put it on my ancient laptop, it gave it a new lease on life. |
| 20:44.55 | mhall_ | streuner: and i consider udev and hotplug as basic 2.6 kernel services |
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| 20:45.27 | pablum | I hesitated w/my desktop because there are a lot of helpful shortcuts in gnome. |
| 20:45.38 | greycat | pablum: I still use it exclusively. |
| 20:45.41 | streuner | mhall_: those folks use udev for d-i, because its an easy way... ;-) |
| 20:45.41 | pablum | or are those distractions? |
| 20:45.50 | streuner | mhall_: s/use/used/ |
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| 20:46.09 | pablum | greycat, have you seen DEK's rc? I started with that and like it very much. |
| 20:46.17 | streuner | mhall_: no need for udev or/and hotplug at all to run a working system (2.6.x.) |
| 20:46.25 | Krondor | I've tried in #samba, but this is such a huge channel thought someone would have additional insight. Does anyone know if Samba can publish ACL lists to NAS devices that join it's Domain? |
| 20:46.32 | greycat | pablum: no, I'm pretty boring. |
| 20:46.45 | Justin | Krondor: the L in ACL is list |
| 20:46.52 | pablum | it gets everything out of the way: including title bars |
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| 20:47.24 | pablum | and it's dark (like my soul) |
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| 20:47.49 | mhall | streuner: i know you can do without it |
| 20:47.55 | pablum | yeah, I'm doing it... |
| 20:47.59 | mhall | streuner: but you are better off with it imho |
| 20:48.27 | streuner | mhall: sure - i guess i have 20-30 modules installed which i don't even need :-) |
| 20:48.51 | pablum | omg, fvwm-gnome???? wtf is the point of that? |
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| 20:49.07 | streuner | mhall: well - knusper isn't my server, so... |
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| 20:49.31 | reco | where does a second disk mount point usually go /mnt/<partition name> ? |
| 20:49.32 | Krondor | Justin: It's an MS thing just like the T in Windows NT stands for Technology, yet Windows 2000 still says based on NT Technology (new technology technology) |
| 20:49.33 | mhall | streuner: Wessen Server ist es? |
| 20:49.52 | streuner | mhall: nobody's - its my Desktop-System |
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| 20:50.27 | mhall | streuner: ah, you caught me there. i somewhat abuse the term server... |
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| 20:50.38 | wwallace | hello |
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| 20:52.00 | pablum | uh, maybe more... |
| 20:52.05 | milanc_ | hi ./* |
| 20:52.11 | mhall | I keep killing my alter ego mhall_ but he keeps coming back. Must be my evil twin. But, according to some of the #debian ops, I'm the evil twin. Hmm... |
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| 20:52.54 | pablum | chris on a breadstick! so many files open. |
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| 20:53.25 | pablum | those bonobos sure are promiscuous. |
| 20:53.43 | rbochan | what'd you say about my sister? |
| 20:53.46 | mhall | pablum: lsof, eh? |
| 20:53.54 | pablum | yes |
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| 20:54.49 | pablum | I think (now) I might eliminate 90% of the open files if I don't use gnome. I'm going to tally it while I do this... |
| 20:54.59 | SeerKan | i tryed to install gmake(i need for gnuworld) and i did this commands(no erros) : wget ftp://ftp.grolier.fr/mirrors/ftp.gnu.org/gnu/make/make-3.79.1.tar.gz , tar zxvf make-3.79.1.tar.gz , cd make-3.79.1 , ./configure , make , make install ... but when i type gmake it tells me :-bash: gmake: command not found |
| 20:55.11 | SeerKan | can someone tell me what did i do wrong ? |
| 20:55.14 | mhall | pablum: Had to use it the other day to get an FS to unmount. |
| 20:55.24 | streuner | !gmake |
| 20:55.24 | dpkg | gmake is, like, the GNU make, or http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/ or ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/local/bin/gmake |
| 20:55.31 | SeerKan | streuner i know... and ? |
| 20:55.32 | mhall | pablum: My wireless connection dropped and left a couple bashes hanging onto CWDs |
| 20:56.12 | streuner | SeerKan: well, did you link to debian's make command? |
| 20:56.24 | streuner | s/link/symlink/ |
| 20:56.35 | Ir_guy | I had run a series of test to see if drive performance improved after using megaraid 2 But Those results seem to be slower than the prior driver |
| 20:56.43 | SeerKan | streuner wait... i think i did it... |
| 20:57.08 | streuner | SeerKan: btw, you have make prolly installed, just run 'apt-get install build-essential' |
| 20:57.08 | pablum | firefox: five windows |
| 20:57.11 | pablum | oops |
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| 20:59.23 | pablum | greycat, any fvwm equivalent of the g-control-panel? I want to simulate this session in fvwm to run lspci and compare the open file list. |
| 21:00.50 | kr0n_ | Hi, i have a problem with virtual consoles, when i switch (CTRL + ALT + F1) from the one with X running in, to another, i cannot switch back nor to another console. There is no error message or nothing, anybody got an idea? |
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| 21:01.28 | useruser | kr0n_: does chvt work? |
| 21:01.40 | nonforma | How do I allow remote connections to mysql? |
| 21:01.40 | kr0n_ | sorry useruser, but what is chvt? |
| 21:01.43 | yacoob | hey! xorg brake my aptitude! |
| 21:01.45 | yacoob | 8) |
| 21:01.56 | pablum | It's all in the menus anyway. gcp is candy. |
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| 21:02.02 | nonforma | I'm looking at the config and all I can see is bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:02.12 | mhall | kr0n_: the command for changing consoles |
| 21:02.30 | mhall | kr0n_: had to use it a while on my sun box when the keyboard map was broken |
| 21:02.36 | kr0n_ | mhall, aaah yes that works |
| 21:03.09 | kr0n_ | chvt 1, chvt 2 etc does the trick, so my keymap is wrong then ? |
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| 21:04.55 | mhall | kr0n_: for a while, the X keymap for my sun was missing keys |
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| 21:05.15 | mhall | kr0n_: it always worked in text mode but from X back to text with Ctrl-Alt-* was foobarred |
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| 21:05.44 | kr0n_ | mhall, do you know where debian have its keymap configs maybe then ? :) |
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| 21:05.54 | kr0n_ | sound just like my problem |
| 21:05.59 | lilliput | hello all ;) just a question about xorg and the video card S3 Inc. VT8636A [ProSavage KN133] AGP4X VGA Controller (TwisterK) (rev 01) is someone know how to setup the 3D ? |
| 21:05.59 | mhall | kr0n_: which mode is broken |
| 21:06.04 | mhall | kr0n_: X or text |
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| 21:06.48 | kr0n_ | mhall, well both actually, i have XDM starting, so i change (1) time CTRL + ALT + F1 to get to text, and then i cannot change to none other |
| 21:08.48 | SeerKan | i need libtcl8.3.so .. where can i find it and how do i install it ? |
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| 21:09.04 | mhall | kr0n_: ah ok |
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| 21:09.17 | PeTeRB | SeerKan: /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:09.31 | mhall | kr0n_: Probably what you need to do is dpkg-reconfigure console-data and pick Danish settings |
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| 21:10.21 | kr0n_ | mhall, you are my hero, somehow i have selected "Apple USB" in the keymap, now it works, thanks a lot :):) |
| 21:10.26 | mhall | kr0n_: And, for X, better check the xorg.conf / XF86Config-4 file for decent keyboard settings. |
| 21:10.29 | mhall | kr0n_: sweet |
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| 21:10.44 | mhall | kr0n_: check your other keys just to be sure |
| 21:10.52 | kr0n_ | mhall, i will :) |
| 21:10.54 | mhall | kr0n_: like the FKeys in midnight commander |
| 21:11.06 | mhall | kr0n_: sometimes picking one layout breaks some keys :-( |
| 21:11.13 | SeerKan | /msg dpkg search libtcl8.3.so |
| 21:11.15 | mhall | kr0n_: had this issue on my sun |
| 21:11.36 | pablum | what was that firewall package? firehole? firHOL? |
| 21:11.38 | mhall | kr0n_: eventually though I fixed it with a hacked keyboard map file which I sent to BTS |
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| 21:11.47 | kr0n_ | mhall, SUN... Solaris? ... MC works just great |
| 21:11.53 | SeerKan | PeTeRB no respons :( |
| 21:11.55 | meezo | does anyone know if aireply can be used for DoS attacks? |
| 21:12.02 | mhall | kr0n_: Sun Ultra 10 with Sid. |
| 21:12.08 | FieldySnuts | what's aireply? |
| 21:12.15 | mhall | kr0n_: Old sid, before xorg. |
| 21:12.16 | meezo | aireplay |
| 21:12.17 | pipeline | mhall: Install Solaris, problem solved. |
| 21:12.23 | kr0n_ | mhall, ah okay, how does that work compared to Linux ? |
| 21:12.24 | PeTeRB | SeerKan: No. Type what I said. It'll give instructions. |
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| 21:12.26 | mhall | pipeline: No. It's too slow. |
| 21:12.26 | FieldySnuts | never herad of it |
| 21:12.35 | FieldySnuts | !win mhall |
| 21:12.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, mhall! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:12.38 | mhall | kr0n_: But, it runs Debian. It is on linux. |
| 21:12.41 | pipeline | mhall: Everything is slow on an Ultra 10. Install SCSI, then Solaris, then your problem is solved. |
| 21:12.48 | FieldySnuts | mhall: hi |
| 21:12.50 | mhall | FieldySnuts: I'd never win a prize that high. |
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| 21:13.05 | mhall | pipeline: Funny, it works great for me. |
| 21:13.10 | mhall | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.14 | kr0n_ | mhall, ooh offcourse, didnt think of that :) |
| 21:13.26 | SeerKan | PeTeRB : -S libtcl8.3.so |
| 21:13.26 | SeerKan | [00:16] (dpkg): There is no record of a libtcl8.3.so package |
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| 21:13.34 | pipeline | mhall: You're clearly insane. The IDE in the ultra5/10 is terribly broken. |
| 21:13.35 | mhall | kr0n_: Just a different port of the kernel but the rest is pretty much the same. |
| 21:13.38 | mhall | Linux ultrasparcy 2.6.11.5 #1 Wed Mar 23 13:23:49 PST 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:13.42 | xiptos | Hi all! One "stupid" question: should I compile the kernel for my laptop with --initrd or without? |
| 21:13.52 | mhall | pipeline: I know it is, sometimes I get errors, etc. But it works for me. |
| 21:13.54 | kr0n_ | mhall, guess its a lot of power in that cpu's :) |
| 21:13.56 | pipeline | xiptos: If you don't know, you probably shouldn't be compiling your kernel. |
| 21:14.00 | xiptos | :) |
| 21:14.02 | mhall | pipeline: It's worked for over a year. |
| 21:14.10 | pipeline | mhall: Performance goes through the roof with the addition of a 20$ SCSI card :P |
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| 21:14.19 | mhall | pipeline: I wouldn't notice. |
| 21:14.27 | pipeline | mhall: The Symbios cards that play nice with OF are harder and harder to find, but they're still cheap. |
| 21:14.36 | mhall | pipeline: The box is plenty quick with 7200 RPM spare IDE disks. |
| 21:14.41 | pipeline | mhall: Yes, yes you would. Seriously, the on-board IDE is broken. As in, a bran-damaged implementation. |
| 21:14.53 | xiptos | pipeline: I already compiled several (since 1993) but I never used --initrd... however, Debian has all the kernel images with initrd and that made me wonder... I wouldn't choose to do so, although... just wondering... |
| 21:14.56 | mhall | pipeline: Right, I know this, it's a CMD chip. |
| 21:14.58 | pipeline | mhall: Surely you kid. I'd be shocked if you got 5 MB/s |
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| 21:15.06 | mhall | pipeline: lemme test it |
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| 21:15.18 | pipeline | mhall: Why bother? It's a known issue. |
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| 21:15.39 | pipeline | xiptos: Just use the debian kernels. |
| 21:15.41 | reeck | #ubuntus-es |
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| 21:15.48 | pipeline | xiptos: I always use an initrd because I have root-on-raid anyway. |
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| 21:16.17 | xiptos | pipeline: can't do that... I have to patch the kernel with the nwe toshiba_acpi driver... |
| 21:16.30 | xiptos | pipeline: are you using 2.6.12.2? |
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| 21:16.39 | Esaj | anything major broken in sid today? |
| 21:16.42 | pipeline | xiptos: Sure you can. Download the debian kernel source, use the config-<version number> out of the /boot directory, and THEN apply your patch. |
| 21:16.45 | Esaj | cvs is behaving weirdly |
| 21:16.48 | pipeline | Esaj: Xorg came in yesterday. You tell me. |
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| 21:17.10 | pipeline | xiptos: Then you can have a kernel package that's essentially identical to a debian one, but with your driver. |
| 21:17.11 | rhalff | udev (0.062-3) unstable: Kernels older than 2.6.12 are not supported anymore. |
| 21:17.20 | rhalff | but there is no 2.6.12 kernel.. |
| 21:17.22 | pipeline | udev is broken by design, no loss |
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| 21:17.29 | xiptos | :) |
| 21:17.31 | pipeline | use the deprecated, ugly, devfs :P |
| 21:17.33 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 21:17.34 | rhalff | oh.. |
| 21:17.44 | xiptos | I was "moving" to 2.6.12 because of udev... |
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| 21:17.56 | rhalff | but where is 2.6.12? |
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| 21:18.06 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 21:18.08 | rhalff | it's also broken when I install it, no initrd. |
| 21:18.11 | xiptos | rhalff: in kernel.org, not in Debian... |
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| 21:18.19 | rhalff | ah ok.. |
| 21:18.23 | rhalff | :) |
| 21:18.48 | jazzanova | i have laptop-mode. do i need also cpudyn ? |
| 21:18.54 | langenberg | Hi, I just upgraded the CPU and motherboard of an pc, but now the kernel doesn't boot anymore. What should I do? |
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| 21:19.28 | xiptos | langenberg: I did the same some months ago and everything went fine... |
| 21:19.33 | Esaj | langenberg: try using a stock kernel image? |
| 21:19.40 | langenberg | I'm using a stock kernel |
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| 21:19.51 | backspace_ | hey im back again |
| 21:19.57 | Esaj | langenberg: any useful boot messages? |
| 21:19.58 | langenberg | Upgraded from a Pentium3 450Mhz to an AMD XP2000+ |
| 21:19.59 | mhall | pipeline: Timing O_DIRECT cached reads: 592 MB in 2.00 seconds = 295.31 MB/sec |
| 21:20.08 | mhall | pipeline: Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 36 MB in 3.03 seconds = 11.87 MB/sec |
| 21:20.34 | langenberg | Esaj: Not at al: "Unpacking linux ... OK, booting the kernel" then it's stuck. |
| 21:20.37 | backspace_ | i fixed the backspace key problem, somehow the .Xresources file was not being read, and the reason why the xterm ctrl menu popup was truncated was because of the -geometry option |
| 21:20.40 | pipeline | mhall: 12 Mb/s in a synthetic benchmark with one thing accessing the disk, read-only. Congratulations, you have a horribly broken IDE controller. |
| 21:20.40 | SDFH_Linux | langenberg i did that to not to long ago |
| 21:20.40 | backspace_ | :/ |
| 21:20.48 | SDFH_Linux | mine was a slot one p3 |
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| 21:20.53 | SDFH_Linux | 450mhz |
| 21:20.54 | langenberg | SDFH_Linux: And it went well ? |
| 21:21.01 | SDFH_Linux | no |
| 21:21.06 | SDFH_Linux | i had to reinstall |
| 21:21.12 | Esaj | langenberg: could be a hardware problem perhaps? |
| 21:21.12 | mhall | pipeline: well at the time that was released UDMA33 did not yet exist |
| 21:21.20 | pablum | backspace_, how did that happen? |
| 21:21.28 | langenberg | Esaj: I've thought of that, but I can boot some livecd's |
| 21:21.42 | langenberg | SDFH_Linux: You had the same 'error' ? |
| 21:21.42 | PeTeRB | langenberg: Which kernel exactly do you have? |
| 21:21.42 | mhall | pipeline: and the cost for the SCSI hardware I'd need to meet the level of performance I get from IDE would be very high |
| 21:21.50 | langenberg | PeT |
| 21:21.54 | pipeline | mhall: Yes, it would be roughly thirty dollars. |
| 21:22.07 | mhall | pipeline: No. It has 60GB of disks |
| 21:22.07 | langenberg | PeTeRB: 2.6.10 line. |
| 21:22.16 | pipeline | mhall: Buy a PC. |
| 21:22.22 | mhall | pipeline: Buying decent SCSI disks of that size would be costly. |
| 21:22.27 | mhall | pipeline: I already have one |
| 21:22.34 | mhall | pipeline: This is a spare system |
| 21:22.40 | pipeline | mhall: "Decent" hah. Buy used garbage off ebay. 1$/g |
| 21:23.10 | langenberg | Esaj: Another guy on IRC just said there is some information stored in the kernel's initrd. |
| 21:23.17 | mhall | pipeline: I have a PC laptop and a PC desktop already, both of which are pretty fully loaded |
| 21:23.39 | mhall | pipeline: i just ordered a new laptop that will arrive today and i'll sell my old one to a friend |
| 21:23.47 | Esaj | langenberg: you could boot a livecd, and reinstall a kernel |
| 21:23.58 | mhall | pipeline: then after that i'm going to go for the Ath 64 X2 in a toaster with PCIe |
| 21:24.07 | Esaj | langenberg: just chroot into the hard disk's root partition or something |
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| 21:25.03 | mhall | pipeline: the primary purpose of the U10 is just to stay on all the time, have a static IP, and host stuff consistently |
| 21:25.07 | langenberg | Esaj: Yes, I must say it is an ubuntu system. |
| 21:25.22 | mhall | pipeline: as long as it can load a few KB of html and graphics, it's meeting spec |
| 21:25.22 | langenberg | Esaj: apt-getting a new kernel should be suffient, right? |
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| 21:25.40 | Esaj | langenberg: yeah |
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| 21:27.09 | grigora | I am wondering whether mounting the same NFS share on more than 1 place is by default a bad idea, or whether it's only bad if the same files are accessed by more than 1 node. thanks |
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| 21:27.29 | Ronin | heh well bug buddy is useless |
| 21:27.33 | langenberg | Esaj: Oh, is there a way of apt-getting the same kernel, so it just get's reinstalled? (saves me downloading some livecd with network functionality). |
| 21:27.36 | mhall | grigora: er I believe they have network locking to take care of that problem |
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| 21:27.48 | backspace_ | pablum: I have no idea, but apparantly when X was started with xfce4 instead of startx the .Xresouces was not being read |
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| 21:28.05 | backspace_ | I checked the xfce4 docs and forums and have not found anything yet |
| 21:28.06 | meethos | can anyone tell me how i could use nice to give a specific process higher cpu priority, im having trouble using this command |
| 21:28.08 | backspace_ | but im still searching |
| 21:28.23 | grigora | meethos: re-nice it |
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| 21:28.29 | FieldySnuts | renice X `pidof appname` is useful |
| 21:28.44 | grigora | mhall: so that's ok? |
| 21:29.09 | Esaj | langenberg: hmm, I'm not sure. Try apt-get --reinstall install foo? |
| 21:29.22 | Esaj | langenberg: or just remove it and install it again |
| 21:29.26 | langenberg | Esaj: OK thank you. |
| 21:29.30 | backspace_ | and basically |
| 21:29.33 | pablum | backspace_, it should be dependent upon your .Xresources file. |
| 21:29.40 | backspace_ | pablum: i had to None<Key>BackSpace:string(0x08) \n\ |
| 21:29.44 | pablum | s/should/should not/ |
| 21:29.45 | backspace_ | overrides |
| 21:29.59 | einsteinmg | hmm.... just installed cupsys + foomatic, but no package depends on ps? |
| 21:30.08 | Esaj | langenberg: I think you would need the .deb in /var/cache somewhere though |
| 21:30.09 | pablum | but the menus... how did those get messed up? |
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| 21:30.41 | Esaj | langenberg: another possibility is dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:30.46 | backspace_ | pablum: well i ended up fixing the problem without really understanding it, I just started with startx instead of startxfce4, the menu truncation was because of the geometry resource, but if you don't use the geometry resouce, and use the command line switch -geometry, it doesn't truncate the menus |
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| 21:30.58 | langenberg | Esaj: that should reconfigure the system? |
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| 21:35.32 | FieldySnuts | something else is listening on that ip and or port then. lsof -i tcp:21 |
| 21:35.32 | FieldySnuts | god damn it |
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| 21:39.18 | Ronin | ok someone tell the opers to stop mucking around |
| 21:39.18 | pablum | do they have to swing them so hard? |
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| 21:39.27 | backspace_ | here we go again |
| 21:39.27 | pablum | ffs |
| 21:39.27 | AjLavJo | geesh |
| 21:39.27 | backspace_ | I never saw Ronin |
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| 21:39.28 | backspace_ | was it a good flick? |
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| 21:39.34 | Ronin | backspace_: mediocore |
| 21:39.34 | backspace_ | I do like Robert DeNeiro(can't spell) |
| 21:39.34 | Ronin | humm thats not spelled correctly |
| 21:39.34 | backspace_ | cre* |
| 21:39.34 | backspace_ | -o :) |
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| 21:39.36 | Ronin | well that was fun |
| 21:39.36 | ansong | is there a kernel channel on freenode? |
| 21:39.45 | Ronin | abydos: most likely |
| 21:39.47 | ThePiratemaster | vsftpd returns "500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket" and the client sais "No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it.", i have no idea how to fixi t |
| 21:39.48 | backspace_ | ansong /list kernel |
| 21:39.54 | ThePiratemaster | any sugestions? |
| 21:40.16 | abydos | Ronin: wrong adressee, d00d |
| 21:40.35 | backspace_ | ThePiratemaster: I have been running vsftpd for a long time now, without any problems ever, could you possibly paste your config file on a pastebin server and maybe we can go from there |
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| 21:40.40 | ansong | backspace_, sorry, i've tried. the servers a bit too busy at the moment. i was hoping someone would just know it. thanks tho' |
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| 21:41.02 | ThePiratemaster | im a step aheado f you |
| 21:41.04 | ThePiratemaster | tnx :) |
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| 21:41.15 | Esaj | I deleted a directory in my local working copy, now I want it back again |
| 21:41.20 | ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/313470 |
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| 21:41.29 | Esaj | (in CVS) - how do I do that? I've tried cvs update, but no luck |
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| 21:41.50 | ThePiratemaster | it also has some outputs of iptables --list and the initd.conf |
| 21:41.56 | backspace_ | ansong: google it, search perhaps an irc channel cataloging site, or perhaps keywords "freenode" + "kernel" or see if kernel.org has any kinda user based channels |
| 21:42.06 | backspace_ | ThePiratemaster: one sec |
| 21:42.09 | ThePiratemaster | :) |
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| 21:42.16 | to|m | does anyone use captive-ntfs well? |
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| 21:42.26 | FieldySnuts | don't use it. |
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| 21:42.29 | fsgaston | I'm having some trouble with Apache, I keep receiving the message that "Directory Index is forbidden by rule" in my log file when certain pages are accessed. Thanks |
| 21:42.34 | Leon_ | hi |
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| 21:42.55 | ansong | backspace_, thx again |
| 21:43.06 | to|m | My system gets slower, Iif I scan a normal ntfs mountes drive for filesearching |
| 21:43.09 | Leon_ | when i try to telnet localhost 25, i get Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 21:43.09 | Leon_ | Connected to localhost. |
| 21:43.09 | Leon_ | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 21:43.12 | ThePiratemaster | backspace_, my turn :P? |
| 21:43.22 | Leon_ | and no 220 server ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
| 21:43.29 | Leon_ | what may be wrong? |
| 21:43.48 | backspace_ | ThePiratemaster: what exactly is the problem again? just the 500 error? |
| 21:43.58 | ThePiratemaster | yea |
| 21:44.04 | ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/313470 |
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| 21:44.26 | pablum | xws restart... trying fvwm. |
| 21:44.28 | FieldySnuts | Leon_: we wouldn't know, look at logs |
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| 21:45.00 | Leon_ | FieldySnuts, yes easy to say |
| 21:45.13 | FieldySnuts | uh easy to do too, if you think that's hard, hire an actual admin |
| 21:45.14 | bya | hello, anybody has installed xdtv on sarge? |
| 21:45.15 | Leon_ | FieldySnuts, would be nice to know which one. thanks anyway. |
| 21:45.19 | backspace_ | ThePiratemaster: i can't seem to find a problem |
| 21:45.20 | FieldySnuts | geez. |
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| 21:46.13 | ThePiratemaster | backspace_,http://pastebin.com/313495 |
| 21:46.18 | Teufel | If I do a /etc/init.d/mysql start and it dosen't show any message but just gives me the next command prompt, does that mean it's working or not working? |
| 21:46.36 | bya | I need help please, anybody has installed xdtv on sarge? |
| 21:46.38 | asdfasdfsadf | #beagle |
| 21:46.58 | alexci | I would like to do a grep on a file so that it returns lines that do not contains the term roof, I do this grep -v roof myfile, how do I do to add more word that I don't want ? i have tried grep -v roof,wall my file but it doesn't work |
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| 21:47.51 | csdgp` | grep -v roof file | grep -v wall is usually what I use when doing something similar |
| 21:48.09 | FieldySnuts | -e expression1 -e expression 2 , maybe. i don't recall for sure, man grep |
| 21:48.16 | alexci | ok thanks |
| 21:48.19 | FieldySnuts | s/n\ 2/n2/ |
| 21:48.31 | bya | Anybody has installed xdtv on sarge, please? |
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| 21:48.47 | FieldySnuts | bya: repeating will get people annoyed, and they may ignore you, we saw it all three times |
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| 21:48.51 | csdgp` | alexci: you might also be able to use grep -v (roof|wall) |
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| 21:49.01 | FieldySnuts | and I just got annoyed enough to do just that. |
| 21:49.23 | rbochan | csdgp`: this might have some tips for you... http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/grep.html |
| 21:49.31 | bya | FieldySnuts: I'm sorry, but if I got no reply, that means no one can help me? |
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| 21:50.40 | csdgp` | bya: It means that either no one can help, or no one has come up with an answer yet. In any case, repeating the same question frequently us considered rude. |
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| 21:51.00 | FieldySnuts | yes, so stop annoying volunteers |
| 21:51.00 | backspace_ | yes |
| 21:51.12 | backspace_ | ThePiratemaster: I think I have narrowed it down |
| 21:51.18 | bya | ok, men Sorry for that :-( |
| 21:51.18 | backspace_ | you are running vsftpd out of inetd |
| 21:51.35 | backspace_ | wait |
| 21:51.41 | alexci | none of the patern I use seems to work |
| 21:51.48 | backspace_ | no your error was different, could not bind a listening socket |
| 21:51.50 | backspace_ | nevermind |
| 21:52.08 | csdgp` | alexci: see the comment by rbochan above |
| 21:52.17 | csdgp` | you might find some help there |
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| 21:52.53 | FieldySnuts | i already gave him a useful lsof line, but i guess he didn't feel like trying it, shrug |
| 21:52.58 | rbochan | csdgp`: oops, sent that to the wrong one ;) |
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| 21:53.17 | rbochan | alexci: this might have some tips for you... http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/grep.html |
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| 21:53.27 | dogwater | does anyone know the command in sarge that will allow you to reconfigure debian? |
| 21:53.31 | dogwater | err exim |
| 21:53.36 | dogwater | will allow you to reconfigure exim? |
| 21:53.42 | backspace_ | dogwater: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 21:53.42 | alexci | could not find my solution there |
| 21:53.43 | csdgp` | rbochan: np -- actually, I've filed that one away for later reference |
| 21:53.49 | omry | ant idea where do I submit a bug fix to netstat? |
| 21:53.50 | at0m|c | hoi, when i hdparm -i my hd, it returns BuffSize=0kB while the disk has 16mb cache. another disk reports 2048kB, it has 8mb. what is this buffsize? can i check if the cache is used, if it is not, how do i enable it? |
| 21:54.02 | rbochan | dogwater: dpkg-reconfigure <pacakge> |
| 21:54.09 | alexci | nevermind |
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| 21:54.27 | rbochan | csdgp`: that's what I keep it around for.. had it for ages |
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| 21:55.19 | ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/313502 |
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| 21:55.53 | pablum | um, are the splits still happening? |
| 21:55.56 | EmleyMoor | How do I run minicom when my "modem" is on /dev/ttyACM0 and it complains about a lack of termcap entry? |
| 21:56.55 | pablum | :) |
| 21:57.08 | daisuke | its slow for me too :) |
| 21:57.26 | pablum | for some reason the deb-pkg version of firefox won't start now I'm in fvwm |
| 21:57.29 | rbochan | because of 1.0.5 |
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| 21:57.35 | nvz | bah, first of all you cannot reboot the internet. 2nd of all the internet is not slow, you both are |
| 21:57.36 | csdgp` | alexci: What you are looking for is in that link -- under "This or that: matching on of two strings" |
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| 21:57.55 | pablum | nvz, I think you are the slow one... :) |
| 21:58.20 | nvz | pablum: why cause I didn't find your stupid joke ammusing? |
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| 21:58.45 | pablum | no because you gave no indication of recognizing it was a joke. do you think that was amusing? |
| 21:59.30 | nvz | besides I was talking about slow as in net connections not menal retardation |
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| 21:59.50 | Markrian | Guys, this is hardly productive discussion |
| 21:59.53 | nvz | s/menal/mental/ |
| 22:00.00 | takatumi | anal? |
| 22:00.05 | nvz | Markrian: do you need something? |
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| 22:00.08 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone take a look at these uotputs concerning vsftpd on debian sarge? http://pastebin.com/313502 |
| 22:00.24 | jharrison | tarzeau: ping |
| 22:00.29 | Markrian | nvz, why no, I don't. But I'll take a hint! |
| 22:00.36 | pablum | nvz, I think my problem reaching mozilla, combined with the netsplits we saw, is an indication some weird packet storm is brewing. MS-Virus-NG or something. |
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| 22:00.53 | tarzeau | jharrison: i'm in bed |
| 22:00.53 | nvz | pablum: pfft. |
| 22:01.02 | nyterukh | good afternoon |
| 22:01.13 | r3v | /topic/quit |
| 22:01.15 | streuner | tarzeau: haha |
| 22:01.27 | streuner | tarzeau: laptop in front? :-) |
| 22:01.48 | nvz | pablum: something is wrong with mozilla.org I am sure.. but I doubt they are being affected by a windows virus |
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| 22:01.51 | tarzeau | streuner: i should be in bed |
| 22:01.56 | jharrison | tarzeau: ok |
| 22:01.56 | tarzeau | streuner: i'm really going now. |
| 22:02.05 | pablum | virus, trojan, bot... |
| 22:02.19 | streuner | tarzeau: sleep well |
| 22:02.22 | nvz | pablum: and besides mozilla.org is virtually useless unless you are a mozilla developer or something. its hardly a reason to reboot the internet even if you could |
| 22:02.31 | nomed^ | i need help ... i don't know if it's a bug .. but for sure it's strange <debootstrap 0.3.1.4 > |
| 22:02.34 | pablum | heh |
| 22:02.37 | tbx | anyone.... I was in here this morning looking for help with NVidia drivers... someone pointed me to the "nvidia-one-liner", but it failed. I also tried to run the installer from nvidia's site, and it also failed. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:02.44 | pablum | I just want a copy of 1.0.5 |
| 22:02.58 | pablum | er, firefox |
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| 22:03.47 | nvz | if you couldnt reach *.google.com *.debian.org and kernel.org or something thats reason to reboot the internet. sites like mozilla.org, slashdot.com... they are sites the internet could do without |
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| 22:04.09 | nomed^ | in /usr/sbin/debootstrap ... after the line work_out_debs .. there is a line base=$(without "$base $additional" "$exclude") |
| 22:04.13 | pablum | and why the heck won't firefox load in fvwm? I can't decipher a strace... |
| 22:04.29 | nomed^ | is there anyone that can explain me this .. after that base='' |
| 22:04.34 | nvz | pablum: loads fine otherwise in another wm? |
| 22:04.37 | sean_micken|work | so is there an app that will probe my laptop's display and try to get the ranges? |
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| 22:04.57 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone take a look at these uotputs concerning vsftpd on debian sarge? http://pastebin.com/313502 |
| 22:05.21 | pablum | nvz, yeah I just came out of gnome... |
| 22:05.25 | nvz | sean_micken|work: read_edidm but its probably just as easy to get them from the manufacturer unless its like a decade old or something |
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| 22:05.27 | rob_lt | Anyone recommend a latop manufacturer? I've got an IBM thinkpad, but they are very pricey. My g/f needs a laptop for work, and we're not sure what are reputable manufacturers now. |
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| 22:05.57 | nvz | pablum: strange. tried running it from an x-terminal-emulator and checking stdout and/or stderr messages? |
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| 22:06.14 | nvz | pablum: or seeing if it dies or just hangs |
| 22:06.25 | ThePiratemaster | rob_lt, i'd go for asus |
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| 22:06.29 | pablum | yeah, from xterm. no errors printed. |
| 22:06.35 | pablum | it just dies. |
| 22:06.36 | ThePiratemaster | partulairly, the a6700k |
| 22:06.54 | nvz | pablum: no errors, no dialogs, immediatly returns a prompt? |
| 22:06.57 | KetS | hi, i'm having problems with dependecies and apt-get -f install doesn't solve them, any help? |
| 22:07.03 | pablum | a weird line in the strace: read(5, 0x7fffffffd9e7, 1) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 22:07.08 | pablum | yesh |
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| 22:07.29 | pablum | even weirder: epiphany works ok. |
| 22:07.33 | nvz | pablum: you have to follow back to the open() so you know what resource it means |
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| 22:07.56 | pablum | on descriptor 5, I'll check it... |
| 22:08.00 | endomandi | dpkg hi |
| 22:08.00 | dpkg | hello, endomandi |
| 22:08.03 | KetS | problems are with xorg and x11-comon and all that stuff |
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| 22:08.30 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone take a look at these uotputs concerning vsftpd on debian sarge? http://pastebin.com/313502 |
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| 22:08.39 | nvz | pablum: kernel calls aren't that hard to decipher. its not like windows errors that may as well be written in hyroglyphs for all the sense they make |
| 22:08.54 | pablum | read(5, "\1\0\0\10antelope\0\0010\0\22MIT-MAGIC-COOKI"..., 4096) = 119 |
| 22:08.55 | nvz | hieroglyphs I think it is actually *shrug* |
| 22:09.00 | pablum | ohoh |
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| 22:09.06 | rbochan | rob_lt: get a used ibm or powerbook :) |
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| 22:09.22 | nvz | pablum: sounds like an xauth problem |
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| 22:09.55 | rob_lt | rbochan, I'm using an ibm, and she already has an ibook :) But of course, her work software is windows only |
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| 22:10.08 | rbochan | so give her your IBM and buy youself a new one ;) |
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| 22:10.15 | Mardus | Hi. |
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| 22:10.25 | ThePiratemaster | wine should compile on OSX :) |
| 22:10.26 | rob_lt | rbochan, we're negotiating that :) |
| 22:10.26 | nvz | pablum: I don't know I could help figure it out but first thing I would have checked before even stracing after doing the run from a terminal, would be the process list looking for other firefox related processes that are possibly zombied or defunct |
| 22:10.43 | rob_lt | rbochan, so maybe the question is, which notebook should I get? :) |
| 22:10.48 | Mardus | Question: How to change the computer's time without getting into BIOS? |
| 22:10.50 | rbochan | there are a couple Acer low end models that seem worth the $$ |
| 22:10.58 | Pryon | hwclock |
| 22:11.03 | Mardus | k |
| 22:11.07 | KetS | (installing x11-common) trying to override /etc/X11/Xsession that it's also in package xorg-common --> dpkg error! how can i solve this? |
| 22:11.29 | keir | Oooo! xorg! will xorg need to be installed manually or will upgrade grab them? |
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| 22:11.57 | rbochan | rob_lt: I was actually looking at this one for my niece... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834115195 |
| 22:12.28 | simy | whats the menu based xf86config? |
| 22:12.31 | rbochan | spend $25 on more ram and it's a decent machine |
| 22:12.37 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone take a look at these uotputs concerning vsftpd on debian sarge? http://pastebin.com/313502 |
| 22:12.40 | streuner | keir: what version of debian? |
| 22:12.42 | resiak | keir: Updating Sid will grab them, but you on't want to update Sid right now because of the C++ abi |
| 22:12.49 | rob_lt | rbochan, wow... not a bad price |
| 22:12.57 | rbochan | no, not at all for the machine |
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| 22:13.20 | jharrison | why does dist-upgrade want to remove x.org etc... |
| 22:13.26 | streuner | heh |
| 22:13.39 | takatumi | jharrison: senile dementia. |
| 22:13.44 | rbochan | rob_lt: it also has an international traveler's wanrrantee included, which what was attracted me to it, since sh'es going to school in London in the fall |
| 22:13.46 | jharrison | takatumi: it seems so |
| 22:13.47 | streuner | jharrison: dist-upgrade of what? |
| 22:13.48 | simy | can sombody tell me the menu based xf86config? i forgot how to start it |
| 22:13.49 | ThePiratemaster | caz its an "ALIEN" package |
| 22:13.51 | Pryon | s/se/juve/ |
| 22:13.52 | keir | resiak, yeah, i upgraded by accident a bit ago, got gcc4, but nothing else. ok, i'll hold off on upgrading for awhile |
| 22:13.53 | chealer | !drxx simy |
| 22:13.54 | dpkg | simy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:14.01 | simy | dpkg thank you |
| 22:14.01 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone take a look at these uotputs concerning vsftpd on debian sarge? http://pastebin.com/313502 |
| 22:14.01 | chealer | simy: you probably meant that |
| 22:14.08 | streuner | no |
| 22:14.11 | simy | chealer yeah, i knew part of it.. lol |
| 22:14.12 | chealer | dpkg: what are you? |
| 22:14.12 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 22:14.17 | resiak | !tell ThePiratemaster -about repeat |
| 22:14.19 | jharrison | so then aptitude install x-window-system wants to get rid of bittorrent-gui kde etc... |
| 22:14.23 | jharrison | thats wonderful |
| 22:14.29 | rob_lt | rbochan, I'm definitely adding it to the list, although I can't order from newegg since I live in Canada, but I can likely find something compairable here. |
| 22:14.45 | streuner | jharrison: not all packages are compiled against xorg... |
| 22:14.56 | streuner | jharrison: you have to wait |
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| 22:14.58 | rbochan | rob_lt: the acer website can probably hook you up with a retailer |
| 22:15.00 | takatumi | jharrison: you should probably let the upgrades rest for a few. |
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| 22:15.20 | chealer | keir: you'd better change your default release before you screw up your system for real |
| 22:15.30 | jharrison | yeah |
| 22:15.33 | chealer | keir: if you hadn't fixed it yet |
| 22:16.03 | Ir_guy | How can i find if apache was shutdown at a puticular time |
| 22:16.14 | Pryon | error.log? |
| 22:16.15 | streuner | lr_guy: look at the logs |
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| 22:16.27 | streuner | lr_guy: /var/log/apache/* |
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| 22:16.49 | keir | chealer, meh, i'll just hold off on upgrading for a month |
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| 22:17.46 | Pryon | ThePiratemaster: If I'm reading your paste correctly, the server can't bind the socket because it's already in use. |
| 22:17.48 | Mardus | Pryon: I guess I might have gotten it right. I read the manpager for hwclock, so I understand now why time didn't change instantly. Will try adjtimex. |
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| 22:17.59 | Mardus | * manpage |
| 22:18.20 | lildude | what epson printes do u use for debion |
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| 22:18.22 | chealer | keir: but then your system will be unstable in a month |
| 22:18.28 | chealer | epson...ugh |
| 22:18.32 | Pego | hi |
| 22:18.34 | chealer | lildude: check linuxprinting.org |
| 22:18.35 | Pego | i try install grub on hdc with is mounted on /boot i start grub and make a root (hd2,0) and it tell mepartition table invalid or corrupt |
| 22:18.40 | lildude | and epson multi one any one use |
| 22:18.44 | Bac9 | anyone use xkeysw and has it working properly with gtk2 apps? |
| 22:18.56 | lildude | i have been to linux printers .org want user opion |
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| 22:19.14 | chealer | lildude: it's linuxprinting.org |
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| 22:19.57 | dupondje | hi, where can i find the debian boot options ? |
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| 22:20.09 | kadigibox | on duel core processors would you install a smp kernel? |
| 22:20.11 | lildude | linux iso printer long list |
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| 22:20.29 | TheAsp | kadigibox: do you want to use both cores? |
| 22:20.37 | lildude | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.53 | FieldySnuts | !smart questions |
| 22:20.53 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 22:21.10 | Bac9 | what keyboard layout switcher do you use/recomend? |
| 22:21.25 | Shadowcat | keyboard layout switches?! |
| 22:21.26 | Ir_guy | streuner: Is it error log |
| 22:21.29 | Shadowcat | why does it matter |
| 22:21.33 | TheAsp | Bac9: for gnome? the panel applet one |
| 22:21.44 | kadigibox | Yah I want to use both cores. I just wasnt sure that the chip would work that out or if it would be viewed as 2 chips |
| 22:21.47 | Bac9 | TheAsp: for non gnome/kde |
| 22:22.01 | resiak | Bac9: apt-get install dvorak7min -- it has two scripts: asdf for switching to dvorak, and aoeu for switching back. |
| 22:22.02 | lildude | is peanut debian based? |
| 22:22.06 | Leon_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:22.12 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone take a look at these uotputs concerning vsftpd on debian sarge? http://pastebin.com/313502 |
| 22:22.15 | useruser | Leon_: tail |
| 22:22.16 | TheAsp | Leon_: tail |
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| 22:22.19 | ralf | Leon_: tail |
| 22:22.26 | Ir_guy | streuner: Is it error log |
| 22:22.28 | streuner | lr_gu: might be, depends how the death arrived apache ;-) |
| 22:22.34 | Bac9 | resiak: I need something for a per-window cyrillic/latin switcher |
| 22:22.41 | TheAsp | kadigibox: yes |
| 22:22.42 | brucelopes2000 | oi |
| 22:22.47 | resiak | Bac9: Oh. |
| 22:22.57 | Bac9 | resiak: recomendations |
| 22:22.58 | brucelopes2000 | edrr |
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| 22:23.04 | Ir_guy | streuner: if its shutdown the normal way /etc/init.d/httpd stop ? |
| 22:23.10 | brucelopes2000 | oi |
| 22:23.13 | resiak | Bac9: I just told you what I use :) |
| 22:23.17 | brucelopes2000 | you |
| 22:23.31 | brucelopes2000 | tem ALGUEM DO BTASIL |
| 22:23.39 | Bac9 | resiak: k thanx |
| 22:23.40 | brucelopes2000 | TEM ALGUEM DO BRASIL |
| 22:23.45 | rbochan | !br |
| 22:23.45 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:23.49 | FieldySnuts | stfu |
| 22:23.51 | streuner | lr_gu: what version are you running (linux)? |
| 22:24.30 | brucelopes2000 | OI GATAS |
| 22:24.45 | FieldySnuts | !stfu brucelopes2000 |
| 22:24.46 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP brucelopes2000! |
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| 22:25.02 | blafard_ | is gimp broken in sid right now or is it just my gimp install? |
| 22:25.08 | koruja | brucelopes2000, isso aqui não é sala de encontro amoroso! |
| 22:25.09 | Ir_guy | streuner: Apache/1.3.33 |
| 22:25.15 | Shadowcat | I know evolution is broken in testing |
| 22:25.16 | brucelopes2000 | TEM BRASILEIRO AI |
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| 22:25.24 | resiak | blafard_: BTS? |
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| 22:26.20 | blafard_ | resiak: I didn't see anything there |
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| 22:26.58 | blafard_ | it's just, this is a week-old install |
| 22:27.13 | resiak | blafard_: And sid is sid! |
| 22:27.30 | rbochan | oi |
| 22:27.51 | blafard_ | resiak: hence the way i phrased the question |
| 22:28.45 | nvz | blafard_: you phrased the question like someone who didnt know what sid was |
| 22:28.53 | Leon_ | yea tail -n X file |
| 22:28.53 | nvz | blafard_: if you did, you would have just looked at the BTS |
| 22:29.32 | nvz | blafard_: then filed a bug |
| 22:29.42 | blafard_ | fine |
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| 22:30.03 | nvz | standard proceedure for testing new software |
| 22:33.06 | Ir_guy | streuner: Apache/1.3.33 -> any ideas which file |
| 22:33.27 | streuner | lr_gu: the file i told you |
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| 22:33.33 | streuner | lr_guy: /var/log/apache/* |
| 22:34.09 | streuner | lr_guy: alternative you can look at /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages |
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| 22:35.33 | Leon_ | can someone take a look at this logfile and advice please? |
| 22:35.42 | Leon_ | http://pastebin.com/313530 |
| 22:36.25 | transgress | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.29 | transgress | err |
| 22:36.36 | nvz | Leon_: thats a horrible way to get help |
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| 22:36.58 | FieldySnuts | nvz: I already ignored him a while ago, must have already been irritating |
| 22:37.08 | transgress | hey anyone know the command for bittornado? seeing as it isn't bittornado... |
| 22:37.10 | alekzandr | i have a colocated debian server, recently upgraded from woody to sarge, and it hs crashed twice today, it was up for over 400 days until recently, i don't even know how to begin diagnosing this. what should i be looking at? |
| 22:37.10 | Leon_ | nvz: why do you think so? |
| 22:37.18 | nvz | first of all randomly posting a log without saying what log it is, means that only really bored people are going to answer. then they have to guess what it is _you_ think is wrong with the log |
| 22:37.31 | nvz | Leon_: you should try asking a specific question |
| 22:37.33 | nicknicknick | hi I'm using apache2 with debian sarge. Can't really find mod_throttle for apache2. Anyone here got it to work on sarge? or any debian? |
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| 22:38.03 | Leon_ | nvz: well sorry, it is my postfix log, forgot to mention that. |
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| 22:38.38 | Leon_ | nvz: and its the last couple of lines, i didnt include more because they are repeating |
| 22:38.42 | resiak | Leon_: Why not say what the symptoms of your problem are? |
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| 22:38.50 | nvz | seriously |
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| 22:40.09 | Leon_ | FieldySnuts: you may feel like god but i am a newbie and despite all this humiliating attitude of yours i try to be careful, i dont abuse, i dont flood, and i reference the wonderful welcoming world of debian... |
| 22:40.44 | Leon_ | nvz, i use an email client and cant get pop3 emails, i get a login error. |
| 22:40.59 | TheAsp | Leon_: what does pop3 have to do with postfix? |
| 22:41.05 | FieldySnuts | resiak / nvz : he was already annoying earlier, don't waste your time |
| 22:41.07 | resiak | Leon_: She's got you on /ignore, so can't hear you. |
| 22:41.15 | FieldySnuts | that goes to TheAsp too |
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| 22:41.25 | Leon_ | because there is courier involved. |
| 22:41.49 | TheAsp | FieldySnuts: yeah, this looks like a conversation i dont want to be part of . . . :) |
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| 22:42.35 | Wyzard | Leon_: Postfix just delivers mail to a place where the POP server can see it. Logging into the POP server has nothing to do with Postfix. |
| 22:43.43 | nvz | FieldySnuts: its a postfix problem supposedly.. or otherwise email problem.. its way out of my ballpark. I was just advising him on technique of asking a question instead of posting log snippets randomly and asking for help on them |
| 22:43.43 | Leon_ | Wyzard: I set up mysql and my mailbox and alias infos are kept there. i guess the tables need to be checked right? |
| 22:44.00 | FieldySnuts | more likely an ID10T error |
| 22:44.47 | Wyzard | Leon_: So Postfix looks in the database to find out where to put a given user's mail, and the POP server looks in the database to find out where to get the mail that Postfix put there? |
| 22:45.22 | Leon_ | nvz: i think people need to be tolerated, not everyones is born an admin. |
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| 22:45.36 | Wyzard | Leon_: Postfix is failing to connect to the database, in a way that looks like MySQL isn't running. MySQL not running would also explain being unable to log into the POP server, since it needs to look up your account in the database to check your password. |
| 22:45.47 | WiFiTux | wuju! someone already installed Xorg? |
| 22:45.48 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 22:45.59 | WiFiTux | From Sid. |
| 22:46.09 | Leon_ | Wyzard: Mysql is running, but i dont know why there is no connection. |
| 22:46.27 | Leon_ | Wyzard: i can see that through phpmyadmin. |
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| 22:46.48 | nvz | Leon_: people also need to ask questions and not just post random data. the intelligent people here expect questions and context. unless they are REALLY REALLY bored they are not even going to think about reading a log without a question. and even if they do, they arent going to nessicarly spot a cause to a problem you've never mentioned |
| 22:47.03 | WiFiTux | xserver-xorg ? :) |
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| 22:47.14 | Wyzard | Leon_: When you view the database using phpmyadmin, do you have to enter a username and password? |
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| 22:47.29 | useruser | who told me to try a new kernel earlier? it fixed my problem, amazingly :) |
| 22:47.44 | Leon_ | Wyzard: no |
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| 22:48.11 | nvz | useruser: darkskies, now known as dkz |
| 22:48.12 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: I should remove xserver-xfree86 and then install xserver-xorg ? |
| 22:48.17 | Leon_ | nvz: will keep that in mind, i had some trouble of defining the problem. |
| 22:48.26 | dkz | nvz: what |
| 22:48.32 | useruser | dkz: thanks :) |
| 22:48.35 | nvz | dkz: you told him to upgrade his kernel |
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| 22:48.59 | dkz | before complaining about a kernel bug, its usually a good bet. |
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| 22:49.10 | Wyzard | Leon_: Does /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock exist, and do the Postfix and POP processes have permission to access it? |
| 22:49.21 | dkz | useruser: glad it helpted |
| 22:49.28 | Leon_ | Wyzard: so postfix is keeping every coming email in a quoue if it cant deliver it? |
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| 22:49.33 | useruser | dkz: well i've complained over a period of at least 6 months, each time got told to upgrade my kernel, didn't make any difference till now :) |
| 22:49.35 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: If you want to run xorg, sure |
| 22:49.39 | PeTeRB | WiFiTux: Just install xserver-xorg. It'll remove xserver-xfree86. |
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| 22:49.58 | WiFiTux | PeTeRB: cool. Do you know of it's working so far? |
| 22:50.03 | Leon_ | Wyzard: the file exists, i dont know how to assign permissions. |
| 22:50.03 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: cool |
| 22:50.09 | PeTeRB | WiFiTux: Works for me (tm) |
| 22:50.15 | Wyzard | Leon_: Probably... typically an MTA will keep a message in queue for 24 or 48 hours or so, then discard it and send a note back to the sender |
| 22:50.18 | WiFiTux | PeTeRB: Wyzard: that is the only change I have to do? |
| 22:50.19 | dkz | useruser: dont worry, you'll have other problems instead :) |
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| 22:50.40 | WiFiTux | concerning to package... |
| 22:50.43 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: I'd do a dist-upgrade, or install the updated x-window-system-core |
| 22:50.50 | PeTeRB | WiFiTux: Maybe. |
| 22:50.55 | bacate | hi all. there is someone that uses apache jmeter? |
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| 22:51.30 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: yep, I just noticed that with dist-upgrade it does it. |
| 22:51.35 | Wyzard | Leon_: What *are* the permissions on it? |
| 22:51.36 | WiFiTux | PeTeRB: :| |
| 22:51.51 | nvz | heh |
| 22:51.57 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: is it cooler/better/faster, or only if I have a really good video card? |
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| 22:52.08 | FieldySnuts | java and benchmarking are mutually exclusive |
| 22:52.12 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: Mostly the same |
| 22:52.20 | nvz | haha, isnt that the truth |
| 22:52.27 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: ohh |
| 22:52.37 | bacate | FieldySnuts: :-) |
| 22:52.45 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 22:52.45 | apt | Israel kicks Saudi ass! |
| 22:52.59 | nvz | I think I need to go somewhere or else I am going to end up going to sleep like right now :P |
| 22:53.31 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: last one... I have 2 debian unstable boxes here. I have the "server" and the laptop. I want to download sources, and then cache them with the server. I only have iptables MASQUERADING, could I cache stuff that way? |
| 22:53.37 | WiFiTux | anyone |
| 22:53.54 | FieldySnuts | set up a squid proxy |
| 22:54.06 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: IP masqing has nothing to do with caching anything, but "apt-cacher" and "apt-proxy" are meant for that |
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| 22:54.10 | FieldySnuts | be sure to set it's maximum object size higher than the default (100M or so) |
| 22:54.13 | bacate | i'm building a functional test only. |
| 22:54.19 | rabies | does anyone know of any good guides for making modelines? |
| 22:54.41 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: Better to use an apt-specific proxy which understands Packages files and knows when a package is obsolete |
| 22:54.43 | nvz | WiFiTux: caching unstable is virtually useless. you will end up downloading it all anyhow. say you download Foo on server and it graps Foo 1.2.3-4 and then go to fetch Foo on laptop later on, and it has to d/l Foo 1.2.3-5 |
| 22:54.44 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: but, I can do that in the server, and then when the laptop fetches 1 minute later, it will download from the box? |
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| 22:55.04 | FieldySnuts | Wyzard: no reason. over complicating things. it just uses http and ftp to fetch, so use squid. |
| 22:55.16 | WiFiTux | nvz: I do updates at the same time, so, for 128mb is kind of usefull.. |
| 22:55.16 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: You have to update your sources.list so it uses the proxy rather than the "real" source |
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| 22:55.29 | bacate | the first url that is protected (basic authentication) returns 403, but at the 2nd loop, it goes fine. |
| 22:55.34 | FieldySnuts | heh. going about this the hard way, have fun |
| 22:55.35 | nvz | WiFiTux: apt cacher's are only really useful where things dont change so often, to save time/bandwidth for a whole site |
| 22:55.52 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: oh |
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| 22:56.07 | lwizardl | hi |
| 22:56.08 | WiFiTux | nvz: hhmm I need another solution. |
| 22:56.14 | nvz | WiFiTux: use apt-zip or apt-move or something. it saves the d/l packages anyhow.. |
| 22:56.15 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: squid doesn't know anything about the meaning of the files it caches, so for a cache of unstable, it'll keep lots of old debs that have been superseded by newer versions |
| 22:56.27 | useruser | i just read the winmodem-trick factoid - i have some lines like this in /var/log/messages: localhost kernel: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A. Does this mean that I have a supported modem? /dev/modem is not present |
| 22:56.28 | WiFiTux | ahh!! copy the .deb files to the box? :) |
| 22:56.35 | nvz | WiFiTux: apt-cacher is really easy to implement.. but like I said it doesnt help much on unstable |
| 22:56.42 | lwizardl | i need some help with getting my video drivers to work correctly |
| 22:56.48 | lwizardl | i'm stuck with 640x480 |
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| 22:57.12 | nvz | WiFiTux: you basically just install it and add the http://apt-cacher/ something like that in front of the existing source url.. I dont recall correctly.. its been a long time |
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| 22:57.37 | WiFiTux | nvz: ok, i guess I will simple copy the files. |
| 22:58.00 | FieldySnuts | Wyzard: you know better, so have at it |
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| 22:58.18 | FieldySnuts | obviously don't understand how squid stores things, heh.. |
| 22:59.11 | WiFiTux | well, squid would work fine if I would have it there a proxy. |
| 22:59.20 | WiFiTux | as |
| 22:59.34 | FieldySnuts | duh |
| 23:00.00 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: Well, squid has no way of knowing that a new version of a .deb means the old version can be removed... |
| 23:00.51 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: true, but will cache anyway |
| 23:01.08 | Wyzard | WiFiTux: Right... it's just unnecessary disk usage |
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| 23:01.42 | Bac9 | what keyboard layout switcher do you use/recomend? |
| 23:01.45 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: yeah... anyway, squid is too difficult to what I simply need. |
| 23:01.54 | WiFiTux | else I would do it. |
| 23:02.21 | nvz | Bac9: the correct question is I use Foo what keyboard layout switcher should I use |
| 23:02.34 | nvz | Bac9: KDE and Gnome both have them as panel applets IIRC |
| 23:03.00 | Bac9 | nvz: thanx for the correction, but I don't use kde or gnome |
| 23:03.06 | nvz | Bac9: it really depends on your needs. I do not use one at all, because I do not switch my layout |
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| 23:03.27 | Bac9 | nvz: so any sugestions? |
| 23:03.30 | nvz | Bac9: I wouldnt recommend one either because I don't see any need for it.. and since you havent expressed your need for one |
| 23:03.45 | Bac9 | nvz: to switch keyboard layouts |
| 23:03.48 | nvz | you just asked what one to I use/recommend |
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| 23:04.06 | nvz | in what way.. obviously not as a panel applet.. which I already suggested |
| 23:04.20 | Bac9 | nvz: thank you for being so literal |
| 23:04.23 | nvz | see how these dumb questions lead to guess work :P |
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| 23:04.32 | TheAsp | Bac9: you san set gnome (and probably kde) to switch on a key combo |
| 23:04.53 | Bac9 | TheAsp: don't use kde or gnome |
| 23:04.56 | nvz | TheAsp: he didnt ask a proper question, so you don't know that he doesnt want gnome or kde stuff |
| 23:04.56 | PeTeRB | Bac9: You want to switch between multiple layouts? Or also show which one you have selected? |
| 23:05.00 | TheAsp | Bac9: who's fault is that? |
| 23:05.04 | nvz | TheAsp: he just wants to aggrivate us |
| 23:05.10 | TheAsp | nvz: yeah :) |
| 23:05.12 | Bac9 | PeTeRB: preferably both |
| 23:05.13 | nvz | when we try to help |
| 23:05.19 | shingouz | lets see if there is anything to be done for the Rube Goldberg install i have here. debian should sit on a pcmcia drive, the whole install has to be done on another laptop. otherwise a working system but lilo insists on barfing L40. i did get out of L99 by pointing lilo.conf to /dev/hde (which is the device when inserted to the install laptop). |
| 23:05.25 | Leon_ | Wyzard: the mysqld.sock file is owned by mysql user and mysql group |
| 23:05.31 | Bac9 | TheAsp: I didn't realize it was a fault |
| 23:05.42 | TheAsp | nvz: i've been in #debian before |
| 23:05.46 | nvz | heh |
| 23:05.57 | nvz | me too.. too often I guess |
| 23:06.27 | nvz | I need to go somewhere other than #debian for a while before I go to sleep.. cause this is driving me nuts :P |
| 23:06.34 | TheAsp | hehe |
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| 23:06.43 | nvz | I just feel unmotivated to actually get up |
| 23:06.49 | Phated | You do realise that simply ignoring his question would have made the above discussion moot. |
| 23:07.05 | lex | Oh Sendmail masters |
| 23:07.08 | lex | exHow do i make a macro like define('SMART_HOST', 'TAKE AN IP ADDRESS HERE') |
| 23:07.10 | lex | lexCause.... if i put an ip address there, it complains that it cant find the hostname (which it isnt ....its an ip) |
| 23:07.21 | lex | Three lines |
| 23:07.21 | Bac9 | Phated: do you believe my question was invalid? |
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| 23:07.34 | nvz | Phated: that would not have given him the oppertunity to realize what a stupid question is, and how it doesn't get him the answer he wanted. I seriously thought the gnome/kde suggestions were valid answers |
| 23:07.40 | TheAsp | lex: did you try formatting it like: [1.1.1.1]? |
| 23:07.47 | TheAsp | lex: don't know if that would work |
| 23:07.48 | nvz | Phated: people ask questions so vague, then shoot down all the answers you give |
| 23:07.55 | pablum | Now here's an error from firefox (run from in fvwm): *** loading the extensions datasource |
| 23:08.00 | Phated | Bac9: No, but since I don't use one, I didn't answer. Would you have preferred I joined in the nvz/TheAsp attack? |
| 23:08.00 | pablum | (Gecko:28705): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) |
| 23:08.05 | Bac9 | nvz: they are valid answers for people using kde/gnome, but I don't so i am looking for something else |
| 23:08.12 | tbx | I have no sound and low res graphics on my geforce2 system. I ran the nvidia-one-liner, and it failed. I ran nvidia's installers, and they also both failed. Reading the output logs tell me very little. Anyone with suggestions? |
| 23:08.13 | PeTeRB | pablum: That's a warning. |
| 23:08.25 | Bac9 | Phated: that's ok, your reasons are quite logical |
| 23:08.39 | nvz | Bac9: you should have asked WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR. instead of asking WHAT WE USE/RECOMMEND, because its not what you wanted to know. is what I was getting at :P |
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| 23:08.51 | pablum | PeTeRB, yeah, but I'm not getting a window, and no exit. Let me check the other session... |
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| 23:09.12 | Bac9 | nvz: I did want to know what people recomend, curently I am using xkeysw and I was hoping there was something better |
| 23:09.26 | Wyzard | pablum: Lately I've been getting that warning from a program I'm writing, even though I hadn't made any changes to the code at the time it started |
| 23:09.41 | pablum | a gdk program? |
| 23:09.47 | Wyzard | pablum: I think it's something internal to GTK, but it doesn't seem to affect the program |
| 23:09.50 | Wyzard | pablum: yes |
| 23:09.54 | deadcat | mplayer is slow on my 800mhz with ati 7500 card. xine is smooth as hell. what up? |
| 23:09.56 | nvz | Phated: thats a correction not an attack. you dont ask people in a huge channel like this what they use or recommend, when one you would get flooded off the network if everyone answered, and two you could probably get 500 answers that were invalid, because you hadn't asked what you were actually looking for. you asked what other people were looking for. |
| 23:10.02 | dkz | btw, anyone have a cisco website login with a support contract? I need a firmware that they are being crap about. |
| 23:10.06 | TheAsp | deadcat: is mplayer using xv? |
| 23:10.08 | pablum | Wyzard, I have this problem trying to run it from within fvwm. |
| 23:10.22 | nvz | Phated: nearly all possible answers to his question he would have complained about, since I was the first to answer I was the first to get told I was wrong |
| 23:10.28 | Wyzard | pablum: Well, I use GNOME, but it doesn't sound like something that would be related to that |
| 23:10.29 | deadcat | TheAsp: triec xv gl2, both lag. glxgears give me ~700fps |
| 23:10.32 | Phated | nvz: Sure. |
| 23:10.57 | TheAsp | deadcat: odd. |
| 23:11.08 | deadcat | TheAsp: ya. i have no clue why. |
| 23:11.18 | pablum | Wyzard, I just started fvwm. FF was just fine in gnome... and I have another session (now) running gnome. I'm going to try starting it from within that one. |
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| 23:12.20 | ShaiW | is it possible to restart X without cancelling DCC transfers? |
| 23:12.24 | pablum | Wyzard, confirmed: I get the warning (from the command line) but I also get a window. |
| 23:12.27 | tbx | Huh? "Couldn't find package flac123" !!!? |
| 23:12.43 | pablum | Wyzard, er, when I start from within a gnome session |
| 23:12.44 | TheAsp | ShaiW: you could start a new session |
| 23:13.32 | ShaiW | how? |
| 23:13.42 | TheAsp | ShaiW: look in the debian menu |
| 23:13.44 | pablum | file /usr/bin/firefox |
| 23:13.48 | pablum | sorry |
| 23:14.18 | TheAsp | ShaiW: though i cant find it myself... gnome or kde? :) |
| 23:14.22 | ShaiW | gnome |
| 23:14.42 | TheAsp | ShaiW: system tools -> new login |
| 23:15.15 | pablum | This sucks balls |
| 23:15.54 | FieldySnuts | !irritate pablum |
| 23:15.55 | dpkg | pablum: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound thx |
| 23:16.07 | pablum | !fuck FieldySnuts |
| 23:16.14 | TheAsp | heh |
| 23:16.23 | Shadowcat | heh Hitachi vibrator |
| 23:16.27 | Phated | Bunnies with vibrators. Film at 11. |
| 23:16.28 | PeTeRB | Haha. |
| 23:16.32 | FieldySnuts | Phated likes it |
| 23:16.51 | Phated | I like my bunnies dead and cooked, thank you. And in an entirely unsexual manner. |
| 23:18.06 | malex | Is there a way to get yesterday's date with the "date" command? |
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| 23:18.29 | TheAsp | malex: date --date=yesterday |
| 23:18.41 | tbx | I have no sound and low res graphics on my geforce2 system. I ran the nvidia-one-liner, and it failed. I ran nvidia's installers, and they also both failed. Reading the output logs tell me very little. Anyone with suggestions? |
| 23:18.49 | shingouz | speaking of bunnies.. the picture at the bottom: http://www.debconf.org/debconf5/about/from_the_bus_stop_to_the_dorm |
| 23:18.51 | fuag | is there a way to get drop shadows and real transparency using gnome and xfree86? |
| 23:19.01 | fuag | and fading in and out etc |
| 23:19.03 | drac | fuag: no. |
| 23:19.13 | TheAsp | fuag: load up gimp, take a screen shot, and draw them yourself |
| 23:19.14 | TheAsp | :) |
| 23:19.25 | fuag | lol |
| 23:19.28 | fuag | what if im using xorg |
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| 23:20.54 | litage | what security questions would you ask if you're interviewing for linux admin position? |
| 23:20.58 | drac | fuag: yes, and it's only accellerated with NVidia propietary drivers.. without.. it's unusable slow.. or if you have SIS card you could install X.Org from CVS. :P |
| 23:21.12 | Shadowcat | haha xorg from cvs |
| 23:21.14 | fuag | drac: i have nvidia |
| 23:21.23 | Shadowcat | drac: I'm tracking the bugs for xerver-xorg in debian unstable now |
| 23:21.24 | fuag | drac: is there a way to install xorg with etch? |
| 23:21.33 | Shadowcat | the heap seems to be growing by the hour |
| 23:21.47 | Shadowcat | fuag: trust me, you DON'T want xorg in etch |
| 23:21.47 | CosmoDad | is there something like screen for X? I'd like to be able to start X on one machine and resume it later from another, remotely |
| 23:21.54 | Shadowcat | not yet |
| 23:22.05 | drac | Shadowcat: Heh, i'm running X.Org from CVS :P |
| 23:22.06 | deadcat | fuag: xcompmgr and transset, but they aint in debian yet |
| 23:22.33 | Shadowcat | drac: yeah so am I, on a test box |
| 23:22.35 | fuag | shadowcat: hmm... i was using it fine in gentoo, would it be any more unstable in debian than it was than in gentoo? |
| 23:22.35 | drac | Shadowcat: Damn 6.8.2 doesn't support non-regtangular mergedfb dualhead desktops with driver radeon(4) |
| 23:22.46 | drac | regtangular |
| 23:22.50 | langenberg | CosmoDad: screen for X? |
| 23:22.51 | drac | err how do you spell it |
| 23:22.54 | Virtual | how can I change apt from Kde type to dialog ? |
| 23:23.00 | langenberg | CosmoDad: Only possible way is to run a VNC server. |
| 23:23.14 | shingouz | drac: rectangular |
| 23:23.17 | PeTeRB | drac: Rectangular. |
| 23:23.19 | pablum | now I understand that strace from my earlier attempt to start firefox: There was a (windowless) copy running already, so it was just calling that one to throw up another window, then quitting (with the result of no window). Now I killed that and am starting firefox I get the initial warning, but no window. I try a strace again and see what that says. |
| 23:23.22 | drac | Thanks. |
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| 23:23.39 | dk0rrr | anyone use expose' feature in osx? and seen a similiar for linux? |
| 23:23.49 | deadcat | dk0rrr: no |
| 23:23.50 | CosmoDad | langenberg: like the console tool 'screen' which allows you to be resumed later on |
| 23:23.56 | covux | pfuh. just dist-upgraded from xfree to xorg and nvidia 3d didnt broke. *happy* *happy* *joy* *joy* |
| 23:24.11 | deadcat | Virtual: dpkg-reconfigure debconf? maybe |
| 23:24.27 | langenberg | CosmoDad: yeah, I just gave you a solution. |
| 23:24.40 | CosmoDad | langenberg: why would it work with VNC but not with standard X? |
| 23:24.52 | dk0rrr | deadcat: talking to me? |
| 23:24.54 | Shadowcat | I'm gonna wait until xorg is in etch |
| 23:24.55 | Shadowcat | at least |
| 23:25.02 | Shadowcat | etch is supposed to be gcc4 too |
| 23:25.04 | CosmoDad | langenberg: I can use X to connect to remote X servers as well |
| 23:25.06 | Shadowcat | damn that's gonna break a lot of stuff |
| 23:25.14 | deadcat | dk0rrr: ^^ |
| 23:25.19 | Virtual | deadcat: Virtual:~# dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 23:25.19 | Virtual | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:25.19 | Virtual | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:25.26 | CosmoDad | langenberg: X clients, I (think I) mean |
| 23:25.29 | langenberg | CosmoDad: but you cannot resume it like vnc. |
| 23:25.47 | CosmoDad | langenberg: ok.. |
| 23:25.53 | fuag | how easy would it be to set up a wifi card in debian? |
| 23:25.57 | langenberg | CosmoDad: I alse miss the feature :(, but you can work /always/ in a VNC screen. |
| 23:26.04 | deadcat | fuag: depends on the card you have |
| 23:26.07 | dk0rrr | ah well |
| 23:26.11 | fuag | my brother uses an arilink |
| 23:26.18 | fuag | *airlink |
| 23:26.25 | deadcat | fuag: thats shit. but it works with ndiswrapper |
| 23:26.26 | fuag | ill go fetch the model # |
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| 23:26.44 | fuag | deadcat: hmm ndiswrapper you need a windows install though, right? |
| 23:26.55 | deadcat | fuag: no .just the damn windows driver. |
| 23:27.13 | CosmoDad | langenberg: VNC screen? Is that something different than what you described before? |
| 23:27.17 | fuag | deadcat: damn i dont think he has it |
| 23:27.28 | FieldySnuts | use a supported card, don't screw with that lameness |
| 23:27.40 | deadcat | fuag: find it online. is that a pcmcia G card? |
| 23:27.48 | fuag | deadcat: yes |
| 23:27.51 | deadcat | hahah |
| 23:28.02 | deadcat | theres a reason fucking airlink+ shits go for $15 (= |
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| 23:28.37 | fuag | fuag: lol, yeah he's 1 room away and gets like 1/16 of the signal bar |
| 23:28.46 | deadcat | hhaha |
| 23:29.12 | Virtual | deadcat any other ideas? |
| 23:29.21 | fuag | deadcat: but besides that, how does one use the ndis warpper |
| 23:29.24 | tbx | I have no sound and low res graphics on my geforce2 system. I ran the nvidia-one-liner, and it failed. I ran nvidia's installers, and they also both failed. Reading the output logs tell me very little. Anyone with suggestions? |
| 23:29.25 | deadcat | sudo dpkg-rec... |
| 23:29.36 | pablum | the strace output for firefox stops on 'poll(' but I'm not sure what it's polling (events?). |
| 23:29.39 | deadcat | fuag: you on sarge/etch/sid? |
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| 23:30.02 | fuag | deadcat: im on etch but he'll beo n sarge |
| 23:30.08 | fuag | one sec lagtastic, brb |
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| 23:30.36 | deadcat | apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` ndis<wrapper source and util> module-assistant |
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| 23:31.42 | fuag | and the only variable i have to change in there is <wrapper source and util> ? |
| 23:31.48 | deadcat | fuag: then run m-a a-i ndis<wrapper source> then try this: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/ndis-hack, change to the windows driver you have |
| 23:31.59 | deadcat | fuag: ya. i dont remember the exact name |
| 23:32.26 | covux | tbx: check this how to http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/debian.html |
| 23:32.30 | deadcat | fuag: ndiswrapper-source ndiswrapper-utils |
| 23:33.26 | ShaiW | arrgghh, I can't open a new session |
| 23:33.35 | ShaiW | the Xscreensaver pops up and asks me for a password |
| 23:33.37 | fuag | deadcat: cool, thnx |
| 23:33.52 | ShaiW | and then it just bumps me back into the current session |
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| 23:34.09 | QwErTz- | {AMSG} I am looking for a site that will give me the IP ranges of different countries, to be able to just let some countries to pass thru my firewall. Anyone have an idea ? |
| 23:34.24 | takatumi | ShaiW: maybe you are looking at two identical sessions. |
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| 23:34.41 | Whoppix27 | hi |
| 23:34.44 | tbx | covux: thank you! my other issue du jour - why are seemingly "obvious" programs unavailable? [xwc, flac123]? |
| 23:35.23 | ShaiW | takatumi, I couldn't be logged into IRC on the same nickname with the same downloads on two diffrent sessions, right? |
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| 23:36.08 | Whoppix27 | haw kann install postfix in Debien linux .???????????????????? pls Helpp |
| 23:36.22 | takatumi | !annoy Whoppix27 |
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| 23:36.42 | FieldySnuts | @annoy |
| 23:36.46 | takatumi | bot-fu |
| 23:36.58 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: qotd0 |
| 23:36.58 | dpkg | <Nexus> And how can I recursively shut off the sticky bit? <Nexus> greycat, Well, because I don't like it. :) Because I don't fully understand it and have never used it. |
| 23:37.02 | beardy | !irritate Whoppix27 |
| 23:37.02 | dpkg | Whoppix27: wenas who uses kde !!!1 |
| 23:37.13 | ShaiW | why can't I start a new session? |
| 23:37.17 | Whoppix27 | yes |
| 23:37.30 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aussiesmite me |
| 23:37.30 | dpkg | fieldysnuts: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker |
| 23:37.36 | pureone | haha |
| 23:37.44 | kreg | if i have sshd running on a box, can an sftp client connect to it? |
| 23:37.52 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 23:37.53 | pureone | yes kreg |
| 23:37.58 | beardy | kreg: Yes. |
| 23:38.09 | rob_lt | kreg, yes |
| 23:38.13 | kreg | ok |
| 23:38.14 | deadcat | Whoppix27: you using debian? |
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| 23:38.18 | takatumi | scp easier. |
| 23:38.32 | nicknicknick | any germans around? |
| 23:38.35 | FieldySnuts | nein |
| 23:38.36 | FieldySnuts | i mean no |
| 23:38.37 | Whoppix27 | yes i using debian |
| 23:38.39 | nicknicknick | what's : entfernen ? |
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| 23:38.47 | kreg | well, been playing with dreamweaver, and trying to get it to connect to my box running sshd, via it's sftp option |
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| 23:38.56 | deadcat | Whoppix27: we dont buy it |
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| 23:39.07 | pureone | Whoppix27 you using whoppix ? |
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| 23:39.14 | Whoppix27 | yes |
| 23:39.19 | deadcat | pureone: which he calls debian |
| 23:39.34 | pureone | !based on debian |
| 23:39.35 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:39.39 | ShaiW | A few minutes ago I could start a new session, but now it won't let me |
| 23:39.55 | ShaiW | I just get the XScreenSaver to bounce me back into that one |
| 23:40.11 | beardy | ShaiW: A new session where, in what? |
| 23:40.31 | ShaiW | I need to restart X in order to check my new configurations, but I don't wanna restart X |
| 23:40.40 | ShaiW | that sounded lame |
| 23:40.46 | ShaiW | I wanna start X in another session |
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| 23:40.54 | ShaiW | so that I won't lose my DCC sends |
| 23:40.54 | deadcat | ShaiW: startx -- :1 |
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| 23:40.58 | beardy | ShaiW: Use startx, man startx ? |
| 23:41.09 | ShaiW | startx? in the current session? |
| 23:41.26 | deadcat | ShaiW: console |
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| 23:42.00 | ShaiW | "Server is already active for display 0" |
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| 23:42.13 | ShaiW | two minutes ago the "new login" worked, what could have changeD? |
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| 23:42.41 | deadcat | startx -- :2 |
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| 23:44.34 | loke | hello |
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| 23:44.39 | loke | !beer everyone |
| 23:44.50 | loke | whats goin on people!?!?!?!?! |
| 23:44.59 | Zap-W | besides captive , is there a way to write on NTFS parition? |
| 23:45.00 | tbx | Anyone... what is the equivalent to flac123, since it isn't avaiable as a debian package [??!!] |
| 23:45.54 | beardy | !anyone |
| 23:45.54 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 23:46.22 | fpitt | good night |
| 23:46.26 | tbx | beardy: so very helpful. "thank you". |
| 23:46.26 | loke | tbx what is flac123? |
| 23:46.45 | bkhl | tbx: you should be able to use ogg123 |
| 23:46.46 | covux | tbx: try to build it from source and use checkinstall script instead of make install to create ure own debian package |
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| 23:47.06 | triflin- | !ops -G-N-A-A- Hello friends, it's time for another GNAA announcement! Did you know jews did wtc? http://jews.didwtc.com/ . And for you Apple lovers: http://home.austin.rr.com/noire/typicalmacintoshuser.jpg - ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA WANTS *YOU*! SIGN UP TODAY! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ or #gnaa on irc.gnaa.us . I love you helix! |
| 23:47.06 | triflin- | @ops -G-N-A-A- Hello friends, it's time for another GNAA announcement! Did you know jews did wtc? http://jews.didwtc.com/ . And for you Apple lovers: http://home.austin.rr.com/noire/typicalmacintoshuser.jpg - ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA WANTS *YOU*! SIGN UP TODAY! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ or #gnaa on irc.gnaa.us . I love you helix! |
| 23:47.07 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: -G-N-A-A- Hello friends, it's time for another GNAA announcement! Did you know jews did wtc? http://jews.didwtc.com/ . And for you Apple lovers: http://home.austin.rr.com/noire/typicalmacintoshuser.jpg - ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A ... |
| 23:47.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: -G-N-A-A- Hello friends, it's time for another GNAA announcement! Did you know jews did wtc? http://jews.didwtc.com/ . And for you Apple lovers: http://home.austin.rr.com/noire/typicalmacintoshuser.jpg - ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA WANTS *YOU*! SIGN UP TODAY! ... |
| 23:47.10 | triflin- | ~say -G-N-A-A- Hello friends, it's time for another GNAA announcement! Did you know jews did wtc? http://jews.didwtc.com/ . And for you Apple lovers: http://home.austin.rr.com/noire/typicalmacintoshuser.jpg - ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA WANTS *YOU*! SIGN UP TODAY! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ or #gnaa on irc.gnaa.us . I love you helix! |
| 23:47.10 | apt | -G-N-A-A- Hello friends, it's time for another GNAA announcement! Did you know jews did wtc? http://jews.didwtc.com/ . And for you Apple lovers: http://home.austin.rr.com/noire/typicalmacintoshuser.jpg - ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA WANTS *YOU*! SIGN UP TODAY! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ or #gnaa on irc.gnaa.us . I love you helix! |
| 23:47.14 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 23:47.16 | trancegrl | !ops -G-N-A-A- Hello friends, it's time for another GNAA announcement! Did you know jews did wtc? http://jews.didwtc.com/ . And for you Apple lovers: http://home.austin.rr.com/noire/typicalmacintoshuser.jpg - ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA WANTS *YOU*! SIGN UP TODAY! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ or #gnaa on irc.gnaa.us . I love you helix! |
| 23:47.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: -G-N-A-A- Hello friends, it's time for another GNAA announcement! Did you know jews did wtc? http://jews.didwtc.com/ . And for you Apple lovers: http://home.austin.rr.com/noire/typicalmacintoshuser.jpg - ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA WANTS *YOU*! SIGN UP TODAY! ... |
| 23:47.17 | debheIper | @ops -G-N-A-A- Hello friends, it's time for another GNAA announcement! Did you know jews did wtc? http://jews.didwtc.com/ . And for you Apple lovers: http://home.austin.rr.com/noire/typicalmacintoshuser.jpg - ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA WANTS *YOU*! SIGN UP TODAY! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ or #gnaa on irc.gnaa.us . I love you helix! |
| 23:47.18 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: -G-N-A-A- Hello friends, it's time for another GNAA announcement! Did you know jews did wtc? http://jews.didwtc.com/ . And for you Apple lovers: http://home.austin.rr.com/noire/typicalmacintoshuser.jpg - ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A ... |
| 23:47.21 | loke | w0w |
| 23:47.22 | *** kick/#debian [debheIper!foobar@p5481CDF3.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 23:47.22 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gamestar.iseek.com.au] by caphuso |
| 23:47.31 | loke | gettem caphuso |
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| 23:47.36 | PeTeRB | !beer caphuso |
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| 23:47.46 | loke | !weed caphuso |
| 23:47.59 | loke | !weed |
| 23:48.08 | Anders | !fluffle caphuso |
| 23:48.11 | Anders | :/ |
| 23:48.13 | pablum | how long were they lurking in here before they began that? |
| 23:48.24 | loke | pablum dunno |
| 23:48.34 | beardy | tbx: Is it a standalone player, or a library, or plugin? |
| 23:48.38 | loke | one was named apt, lol |
| 23:48.40 | tbx | bkhl: okay, yeah, that worked, strictly speaking. |
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| 23:48.58 | tbx | beardy: I understand it to be a standalone player - ogg123, mpg321, flac123... like that. |
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| 23:49.11 | tbx | bkhl: ... save for no output since I still have no sound.... |
| 23:49.15 | Kiowas | hello |
| 23:49.28 | Kiowas | how do I apt-get Xfree86? |
| 23:49.29 | loke | tbx what did you use before debian, bsd? |
| 23:49.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 23:49.45 | covux | Kiowas: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 23:49.47 | beardy | tbx: There is a xmms-flac plugin, if you're using xmms that is. |
| 23:49.49 | pablum | weird... what were they doing to the bots? |
| 23:49.56 | tbx | loke: mandrake/mandriva/mandrivoris/man diva/man oh man!. I'm an evacuee. |
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| 23:50.12 | plb | anyone use xorg yet and get error msgs about moving log files? |
| 23:50.13 | tbx | beardy: I do love me console players and tools. |
| 23:50.16 | loke | tbx w0w dude, slow down |
| 23:50.36 | loke | tbx mpg123 or mpg321 |
| 23:50.41 | FieldySnuts | oh my fucking god, don't view the jpg |
| 23:50.46 | deadcat | plb: no |
| 23:50.51 | Kiowas | 'aptitude install xfree86' told me xfree86-common has xfree86 on its title, but 'aptitude install xfree86-common' did absolutely nothing |
| 23:50.58 | tbx | loke: mpg321 seemed to have fewer problems and more options. YMMV. |
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| 23:51.04 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: why not? |
| 23:51.08 | pablum | loke, one was using the bot, apt. |
| 23:51.10 | FieldySnuts | i'm not describing it |
| 23:51.13 | loke | !tell Kiowas about install x |
| 23:51.18 | deadcat | Kiowas: x-window-system-core or xserver-xfree86 |
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| 23:51.30 | PeTeRB | FieldySnuts: Too late :| |
| 23:51.31 | loke | !install x |
| 23:51.32 | dpkg | hmm... install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 23:51.34 | deadcat | Kiowas: covux gave you the answer... pay attention |
| 23:51.35 | beardy | tbx: You can control xmms from console though, if you have X installed at all. |
| 23:51.59 | jazzanova | how can i split a partition on the same disk as my root filesystem ? |
| 23:52.01 | deadcat | beardy: why use xmms? there are some nice console players |
| 23:52.09 | deadcat | jazzanova: cfdisk |
| 23:52.14 | loke | tbx i like cplay, prolly not enough options for you, mr. dj |
| 23:52.19 | jazzanova | deadcat ! wow :) great |
| 23:52.23 | plb | deadcat: did xorg install startx? |
| 23:52.28 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: you looked at a picture a GNAA moron told you about? what are you, stupid? |
| 23:52.32 | Kiowas | loke thanks |
| 23:52.45 | deadcat | plb: just install those pkgs and you will have the command startx |
| 23:52.48 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: i guess, i thought it would be at least mildly amusing |
| 23:52.52 | loke | Kiowas dpkg is your friend, just /msg dpkg whatever you can think of, he knows! |
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| 23:53.04 | Guerin | wtf is /var/log/btmp? |
| 23:53.05 | plb | deadcat: I did apt-get install xserver-xorg....am I missing something else? |
| 23:53.05 | ShaiW | Hmmphh, do I need to add "modprobe nvidia" to a load script for it to be recognized by X at startup? |
| 23:53.18 | deadcat | plb: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:53.19 | tbx | loke: i'd settle for actual sound just now, ya dig? |
| 23:53.25 | Guerin | plb: x-window-system-core |
| 23:53.28 | beardy | deadcat: Is there a console player for flac? (I know someone told him about ogg123, but does that really play flac, if so, of course he should use that) |
| 23:53.30 | loke | tbx check dmesg? |
| 23:53.38 | jazzanova | deadcat: it won't kill my main partition with the root, right ? this computer has no floppy drive and no cdrom so i can't boot into it alternatively. |
| 23:53.43 | loke | tbx you check aumix? |
| 23:53.45 | Guerin | beardy: yes, it does. mplayer does, too. |
| 23:53.58 | deadcat | beardy: dont know whats flac |
| 23:54.02 | pablum | copraphiliac |
| 23:54.03 | loke | tbx, apt aumix, and check it |
| 23:54.05 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: well, try oralse.cx too |
| 23:54.11 | tbx | loke: aumix: error opening mixer |
| 23:54.11 | FieldySnuts | no. go away |
| 23:54.14 | beardy | deadcat: An audio format. |
| 23:54.18 | ShaiW | I can see on lsmod that the nvidia module exist, but when I start X in another session I get "(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" (the current session started with vesa) |
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| 23:54.42 | marf | hello someone awake? |
| 23:54.42 | beardy | Guerin: Ok. |
| 23:54.45 | deadcat | jazzanova: in order to partion or create another partition you have to have free space. so you will have to remove a partition and cut that into 2. just make sure that partition is empty |
| 23:54.46 | tbx | deadcat: Free Lossless Audio Codec. |
| 23:54.46 | loke | marf sup |
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| 23:54.51 | deadcat | marf: no we all dead |
| 23:54.57 | loke | marf im dead |
| 23:55.00 | marf | Hi loke |
| 23:55.07 | ShaiW | hmmphh...? |
| 23:55.07 | loke | marf or sleeping that is |
| 23:55.12 | loke | hi marf |
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| 23:55.19 | loke | marf how can we help you? |
| 23:55.31 | jazzanova | ok, thanks deadcat |
| 23:55.38 | marf | I'm trying to get my Ramdisk correctly working after compiling my kernel |
| 23:55.40 | loke | !wine pablum |
| 23:55.43 | marf | 2.6.12 |
| 23:55.50 | loke | !shower pablum |
| 23:55.55 | loke | !shower |
| 23:55.55 | dpkg | [shower] something that if done more than once a week, loses you serious hacker points. ask me about hygiene |
| 23:55.55 | pablum | prosit |
| 23:56.05 | plb | Guerin: thanks |
| 23:56.06 | plb | brb |
| 23:56.08 | loke | !hygiene pablum |
| 23:56.15 | loke | !hygiene |
| 23:56.16 | dpkg | I dont know a guy named Gene, so why would I tell him hi?, or Hey. I think its time for bed. |
| 23:56.32 | loke | !wtf dpg |
| 23:56.33 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 23:56.41 | marf | I just followed the instruction of : http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html#CONFIGURATION-2-6 |
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| 23:57.07 | loke | later yall |
| 23:57.09 | marf | put everything in place in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 23:57.25 | marf | also put my kernel inplace through make install |
| 23:57.39 | marf | the easy way to avoid typo errors |
| 23:57.46 | *** part/#debian tbx (~tbx@64.139.238.208) |
| 23:58.12 | *** join/#debian knighttemplar (~admin@201.150.68.248) |
| 23:58.20 | PeTeRB | marf: /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:58.30 | marf | hoever still I got a dedicated kernel panic ;-( |
| 23:59.14 | marf | ehh PeterRB whatis " dpkg kp" ? |
| 23:59.17 | knighttemplar | helloo |
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| 23:59.35 | marf | hi knighttemplar |
| 23:59.40 | knighttemplar | hey if i upgraded to sarge what should i change in the sources.list |
| 23:59.49 | knighttemplar | stable to testing ? |
