| 00:00.08 | tarzeau | jharrison: i like yoghurt too! |
| 00:00.17 | welson | tarzeau, issue is that i'm on a kvm switch and may have to resort to everrthing under ssh if its the case. |
| 00:00.22 | jharrison | tarzeau: its super good stuff! |
| 00:00.28 | tarzeau | welson: i'd just sell the kvm |
| 00:00.36 | shingouz | tarzeau: not sure which ones bu i do know that thre are a few that simply refuse to work on real PS/2's, especially on the server 95 |
| 00:00.48 | tarzeau | welson: really more keyboards = more impression on women -> www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/atwerk.jpg |
| 00:01.18 | welson | tarzeau, hey at least say you don't know..its fine :) |
| 00:01.18 | tarzeau | 5 keyboards on my desk |
| 00:01.26 | tarzeau | heh |
| 00:01.45 | welson | tarzeau, i have athritis ... kvm saves me |
| 00:02.05 | shingouz | tarzeau: how the hell do you keep up with all the chixx0rz then? i have only two keybs and i have been pretty busy lately |
| 00:02.15 | tarzeau | shingouz: i've got a webcam ;) |
| 00:02.20 | tarzeau | shingouz: and finger / .plan |
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| 00:02.43 | shingouz | tarzeau: even a webcam. eek. |
| 00:03.20 | error403 | ... |
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| 00:04.13 | welson | tarzeau, those apples, are they wooden? |
| 00:04.24 | shingouz | just mummified |
| 00:04.26 | tarzeau | welson: nope, they are real |
| 00:04.32 | welson | tarzeau, can I have one? |
| 00:04.32 | tarzeau | were |
| 00:04.48 | tarzeau | welson: heh, sure what's the shipping address? |
| 00:04.51 | error403 | tarzeau, i WANT those monitors... |
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| 00:05.06 | welson | tarzeau, why don't you donate somethings apparently you play chess games when you're supposed to be working! |
| 00:05.21 | shingouz | tarzeau: your desktop is going to be pretty empty in a short while if you ship everything people want |
| 00:05.22 | tarzeau | welson: hah, that was during my free time. |
| 00:05.27 | welson | tarzeau, bs |
| 00:05.30 | error403 | hehe |
| 00:05.30 | tarzeau | LOL |
| 00:05.33 | jharrison | mmmm chess |
| 00:05.47 | jharrison | i was 8 time world champion back in the day |
| 00:05.48 | shingouz | jharrison: as long as you do not start licking the chess too |
| 00:06.02 | tarzeau | can't we play chess on FICS? |
| 00:06.06 | error403 | tarzeau, why do you have an apple? (electronic one) |
| 00:06.06 | jharrison | shingouz: but the chess doesnt taste good |
| 00:06.11 | jharrison | FICS? |
| 00:06.16 | tarzeau | error403: to listen jazz music ? |
| 00:06.20 | tarzeau | !FICS |
| 00:06.20 | dpkg | somebody said fics was the Free Internet Chess Server and is at freechess.org and fics.onenet.net. |
| 00:06.21 | error403 | ... |
| 00:06.28 | shingouz | jharrison: coat it with yoghurt ;) |
| 00:06.28 | jharrison | tarzeau: you like jazz!?!one11!! |
| 00:06.31 | tarzeau | error403: to better be able support our users? |
| 00:06.38 | tarzeau | jharrison: yeah jazz is in my ears |
| 00:06.38 | jharrison | shingouz: now you're talkin |
| 00:06.43 | jharrison | tarzeau: sweet |
| 00:06.48 | tarzeau | jharrison: you like britanz sperms? |
| 00:06.52 | error403 | tarzeau, what you do? |
| 00:06.55 | jharrison | tarzeau: vivaldi is in my ears right now |
| 00:06.59 | mdh | oooh.. a Sun Ultra ... 2? tucked away in the corner... |
| 00:07.06 | jharrison | tarzeau: hate brit spears |
| 00:07.16 | tarzeau | error403: bb.phys.ethz.ch <- see these machines? mostly debian |
| 00:07.21 | welson | the four seasons...something at least I can relate to |
| 00:07.30 | jharrison | welson: no |
| 00:07.31 | shingouz | eugh |
| 00:07.34 | welson | (vivaldi concerto) |
| 00:07.36 | tarzeau | error403: guess what, our users destroy them. i fix them ;) |
| 00:07.42 | jharrison | concerto in Gm |
| 00:07.44 | shingouz | the four seasons by vivaldi /me shivers |
| 00:07.55 | jharrison | I have four seasons |
| 00:08.04 | welson | there's four seasons here in montreal.. nuff shivers from the winter.. |
| 00:08.10 | error403 | tarzeau, those monitors, are they 19", or 20", or what?? |
| 00:08.13 | shingouz | bach. if it has to be classical is has to be bach or wagner |
| 00:08.29 | tarzeau | error403: 20" i think, but i'm not sure |
| 00:08.39 | metaperl | shingouz: i like indian classical |
| 00:08.39 | jharrison | I have the mozart too |
| 00:08.48 | tarzeau | did you see how much machines? |
| 00:08.58 | metaperl | magnatune.com has the only classical european I like... |
| 00:08.59 | shingouz | as long as the classical is heavy i am happy |
| 00:09.03 | tarzeau | u5, openstep box, two shuttles, imac and another :) |
| 00:09.13 | error403 | tarzeau, nice... i WANT them... |
| 00:09.13 | jharrison | I have the classical, the heavy metal, and the reggae |
| 00:09.13 | error403 | lol |
| 00:09.23 | tarzeau | error403: you can handle OPENSTEP ? |
| 00:09.26 | shingouz | jah, mon |
| 00:09.40 | jharrison | yes I |
| 00:09.42 | metaperl | me too. I listen to anything. satanic metal. christian rock. whatever sounds good |
| 00:09.46 | welson | tarzeau, u got a mini? |
| 00:09.52 | abrotman | !eggs phated |
| 00:09.59 | jharrison | ew |
| 00:10.02 | metaperl | rap, indonesian gamelan, indian classical, stoner rock, classic rock |
| 00:10.03 | welson | tarzeau, er mini mac! i say.. ;) ? |
| 00:10.04 | tarzeau | welson: nope, but i've seen them. some people have that, and others have G5 with that extra large screens |
| 00:10.18 | tarzeau | welson: some have apple laptops, some have terabytes under their desk (astronomers) |
| 00:10.19 | jharrison | bob marley |
| 00:10.34 | shingouz | black sabbath |
| 00:10.36 | jharrison | rita lives down the road from where i live |
| 00:10.40 | welson | tarzeau, where are you working in the phoenix observatory? |
| 00:10.48 | jharrison | her and the rest of tuff gong |
| 00:11.21 | tarzeau | welson: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/hpre861.jpg |
| 00:11.26 | welson | tarzeau, haha |
| 00:11.28 | tarzeau | welson: you see the red circle? right in there |
| 00:11.35 | welson | tarzeau, a little off.. |
| 00:11.47 | welson | tarzeau, so you're a vampire |
| 00:11.47 | tarzeau | welson: it's called "starwars" |
| 00:11.52 | jharrison | tarzeau: when I get my digi camera I will take much pictures |
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| 00:11.57 | tarzeau | welson: nah, more like "yedi" |
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| 00:12.35 | shingouz | tarzeau: does it fly too? ;) |
| 00:12.52 | welson | tarzeau, guess you're waiting for the hedron collider eh.. |
| 00:13.10 | tarzeau | welson: we've got three colliders up there. but the really big one is at CERN right |
| 00:13.11 | Exit83 | is apmd included in th standard debian kernel |
| 00:13.14 | orlon_ | any udev gurus in here? all my LVM device nodes are showing up in /dev/.static/dev but not in /dev/mapper |
| 00:13.30 | welson | tarzeau, the biggest one is still under development i believe.. |
| 00:13.37 | tarzeau | shingouz: heh :) only pens, if i get frustrated |
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| 00:13.44 | shingouz | Exit83: yes to hte best of my knowledge |
| 00:13.54 | tarzeau | welson: it's likely to be finished soon, like by 2007 |
| 00:14.03 | orlon_ | Exit83: as a module. try "grep -i apm /boot/config-`uname -r`" to check |
| 00:14.08 | welson | tarzeau, what's the difference between "act at a distance" and "rest of experience" ? |
| 00:14.19 | Exit83 | shingouz , orlon_ thx |
| 00:14.21 | welson | tarzeau, hehheh.. |
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| 00:14.33 | welson | tarzeau, a little medieval terminology.. |
| 00:14.42 | tarzeau | welson: good question, i'm no native english speaker, and i don't have an idea what the difference could be |
| 00:14.47 | welson | tarzeau, testing you're geniousity. |
| 00:14.58 | welson | tarzeau, so you're not a physicist hahahaha |
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| 00:15.10 | tarzeau | welson: hahaha, i've ever said i was? |
| 00:15.27 | welson | tarzeau, you're a clickhead bell boy hahahaha |
| 00:15.42 | Exit83 | orlon its set as a module indeed, hwo do i get it working? or is the easiest way to compile it into the kernel? |
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| 00:15.48 | tarzeau | welson: what you see on the picture is the department of physics in zurich. there's astro, particle, solid and theoretical physics there |
| 00:16.08 | orlon_ | Exit83: it should get loaded by the apmd package |
| 00:16.09 | tarzeau | welson: really i don't have anything to do with windows |
| 00:16.11 | cmatheson | i need a list of all the mp3's in a certain directory (and it's subdirectories)... i've been using 'find . -name *mp3 -print', but i don't want it to print the directory (just the mp3's filename)... anyway to do this? |
| 00:16.35 | orlon_ | Exit83: is this an old laptop? ACPI is generally better on new laptops (mine doesn't even support APM) |
| 00:16.48 | tarzeau | cmatheson: look at basename ? |
| 00:16.53 | orlon_ | cmatheson: add '-type f' |
| 00:16.59 | welson | tarzeau, so i guess most people use windows in the departmenst tsk tsk.. |
| 00:17.07 | tarzeau | welson: nope, most people don't |
| 00:17.10 | orlon_ | cmatheson: errr, ignore that, misread your question |
| 00:17.31 | shingouz | welson: it is impossible to use windows. it crashes |
| 00:17.34 | welson | tarzeau, so is it true youre a bell boy? (i was just joking).. |
| 00:17.35 | tarzeau | welson: it's only some expensive devices that won't work without some old windows versions, and maybe about 4 secretaries |
| 00:17.40 | orlon_ | cmatheson: you probably want to use -printf and the right format string, have a look at the man page |
| 00:17.48 | tarzeau | welson: i don't even know what a bell boy is. and no i'm not a boy |
| 00:17.48 | cmatheson | orlon_: thanks |
| 00:17.57 | welson | shingouz, and its more impossible to use fedora stably.. |
| 00:18.05 | cmatheson | orlon_: i looked at the man page, and tried just printing %p (that's the filename), but it still gave me the dir |
| 00:18.06 | Exit83 | orlon_: well, its not that old but i had to start the install with nolapic (no local apic) so i dont know if i should use apic |
| 00:18.15 | welson | shingouz, which is why i'm yanking one machine completely back to debian.. |
| 00:18.17 | shingouz | welson: *use*? fedora? |
| 00:18.17 | cmatheson | tarzeau: i guess i could use the basename and then just add .mp3... |
| 00:18.21 | welson | yuck yuck.. |
| 00:18.33 | tarzeau | cmatheson: basename won't drop .mp3 unless you tell it to |
| 00:18.37 | welson | shingouz, on a test machine i have.. apparently their support for manpages is bad*.. |
| 00:18.39 | orlon_ | Exit83: ACPI is different to APIC =] |
| 00:18.49 | Exit83 | orlon_: oi stupid me, i misread |
| 00:19.03 | orlon_ | Exit83: gotta love IT acronyms |
| 00:19.15 | Exit83 | orlon_: how can i check to see if i have apic |
| 00:19.25 | Exit83 | orlon_: i mean acpi |
| 00:19.32 | welson | tarzeau, its a job with the guy by the elevator.. he just presses buttons, helps people with their luggages at the front of say, a hotel.. |
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| 00:20.07 | blechx | heya, anyone else having trouble with jack-stuff in unstable? |
| 00:20.08 | tarzeau | welson: nope, i mainly fix problems and do systems administration, including debian packages |
| 00:20.24 | tarzeau | welson: i wouldn't call that "button pressing bell guy" |
| 00:20.30 | orlon_ | Exit83: hmm, try "dmesg | grep -i acpi" |
| 00:20.37 | nordland-iv | hey anyone know how to make borderless windows? |
| 00:20.40 | nordland-iv | like the command? |
| 00:20.43 | tarzeau | nordland-iv: wmaker can do it |
| 00:20.48 | Exit83 | orlon_: yeah, seeing apm: overriden by acpi meqns a lot :d |
| 00:20.57 | nordland-iv | wmaker? |
| 00:21.02 | tarzeau | !wmaker |
| 00:21.02 | dpkg | i guess wmaker is at http://www.windowmaker.org, or the coolest window manager in existence |
| 00:21.07 | abrotman | the window manager has to support it |
| 00:21.10 | nordland-iv | nah... |
| 00:21.16 | tarzeau | nordland-iv: YES IT DOES |
| 00:21.16 | nordland-iv | Im good with fluxbox. |
| 00:21.22 | tarzeau | nordland-iv: RTFM |
| 00:21.32 | nordland-iv | I want fluxbox with modded windows. |
| 00:21.33 | orlon_ | Exit83: i have "acpi=yes" as kernel option in my /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:21.34 | welson | tarzeau, don't you have some collider there? i mean isn't there physical disturbances where you work? |
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| 00:21.48 | Exit83 | orlon_: and then what, im fairly new at this |
| 00:21.48 | tarzeau | welson: yes we have 3 colliders, i told you |
| 00:21.54 | welson | tarzeau, well |
| 00:22.09 | orlon_ | Exit83: what's the make/model of the laptop? |
| 00:22.22 | tarzeau | welson: for age determination using c12/c14 |
| 00:22.43 | cbecht | nordland-iv: With bbkeys, I have a hotkey set for "Toggle Window Decorations" |
| 00:22.46 | Exit83 | orlon_: im afraid you lost me there :s |
| 00:22.53 | cbecht | nordland-iv: I should expect you can do something similar in fluxbox |
| 00:22.54 | welson | tarzeau, isn't it located remotely though? |
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| 00:23.08 | tarzeau | welson: no, it's under the HPK building |
| 00:23.12 | Master-Yoda | a really quik question |
| 00:23.32 | Master-Yoda | how do i chmod everything inside a folder 755 AND every folder inside the folder |
| 00:23.40 | abrotman | Master-Yoda: man chmod |
| 00:23.43 | Master-Yoda | i know |
| 00:23.50 | abrotman | well . it's in there |
| 00:23.50 | nordland-iv | where can I access bbkeys? |
| 00:23.50 | tarzeau | Master-Yoda: find -type f |
| 00:23.51 | welson | tarzeau, if I had the choice I'd probably never work there...i might get cancer.. |
| 00:23.52 | Master-Yoda | read what i wrote |
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| 00:24.05 | pollo | hi |
| 00:24.14 | tarzeau | welson: i've had the choice. and we've got pretty students |
| 00:24.15 | Master-Yoda | please |
| 00:24.20 | abrotman | Master-Yoda: i know what you wrote .. man chmod |
| 00:24.25 | Master-Yoda | chmod 755 * -type f * |
| 00:24.26 | Master-Yoda | ? |
| 00:24.26 | orlon_ | Master-Yoda: find folder -type d | xargs chmod 755 |
| 00:24.41 | welson | tarzeau, pretty as in apples? |
| 00:24.48 | tarzeau | welson: very |
| 00:24.50 | Master-Yoda | no |
| 00:24.50 | Exit83 | orlon_: what do you mean with make/model of my laptop? |
| 00:24.55 | Master-Yoda | im in a folder |
| 00:24.55 | daedalus_ | master-yoda: check out -R in the man page for chmod |
| 00:24.58 | Master-Yoda | there are folders in there |
| 00:25.04 | Master-Yoda | and folders in those folders |
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| 00:25.07 | shingouz | Exit83: what is the laptop you have? |
| 00:25.08 | Master-Yoda | how do i chmod all the folders 755 |
| 00:25.09 | Master-Yoda | ? |
| 00:25.10 | orlon_ | Exit83: what brand is it? Apple, Toshiba, Fujitsu? |
| 00:25.11 | welson | tarzeau, put up some albums and better backgrounds if you want pretty...your desktops stink.. |
| 00:25.19 | DoppelGanger | Master-Yoda: man chmod |
| 00:25.20 | welson | tarzeau, really.. |
| 00:25.22 | daedalus_ | Master-yoda: You obviously aren't listening |
| 00:25.27 | nordland-iv | where is bbkeys!?!?!?! |
| 00:25.27 | Master-Yoda | ? |
| 00:25.27 | orlon_ | Master-Yoda: i just gave you the command you need |
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| 00:25.32 | Master-Yoda | it wont work |
| 00:25.38 | claudio_ | Master-Yoda: orlon_'s command should work |
| 00:25.38 | Master-Yoda | there is no folder folder |
| 00:25.38 | Master-Yoda | lol |
| 00:25.42 | Master-Yoda | i know |
| 00:25.43 | daedalus_ | master-yoda: check out -R in the man page for chmod |
| 00:25.43 | mrhoyt4 | chmod -r 755 top directory |
| 00:25.47 | Master-Yoda | i dotn want to type each folder |
| 00:25.47 | cbecht | nordland-iv: bbconf is a tool for blackbox. I believe fluxbox has keybinding stuff builtin. I don't think there is an external tool. |
| 00:25.48 | tarzeau | welson: livecd.gnustep.org seen that? |
| 00:25.49 | orlon_ | Master-Yoda: so change folder to whatever the hell you need |
| 00:25.54 | Exit83 | orlon_: the most famous brand Gericom, SiS5513 chipset |
| 00:26.00 | Master-Yoda | im trying not to type each folder out |
| 00:26.03 | daedalus_ | master-yoda: check out -R in the man page for chmod |
| 00:26.09 | Master-Yoda | there are to many |
| 00:26.16 | DoppelGanger | mwa a hah |
| 00:26.16 | Master-Yoda | anyone i just need a quik command |
| 00:26.17 | welson | tarzeau, so you have a poor desktop, I guess that compensates for the time spent there-- brains and looks..hmm..do they speak english? |
| 00:26.19 | Master-Yoda | all my clients are down |
| 00:26.20 | Master-Yoda | please |
| 00:26.25 | Phated | Master-Yoda: chmod -R 755 ./* |
| 00:26.28 | welson | tarzeau, bet they're all german.. |
| 00:26.28 | Master-Yoda | i have like 50 clients in tehre each in a folder :( |
| 00:26.33 | orlon_ | Master-Yoda: ffs. what is the name of the top level folder |
| 00:26.35 | Phated | In whatever fucking folder you're in. |
| 00:26.37 | tarzeau | welson: sorry, what do you find poor about my fvwm desktop at werk? |
| 00:26.42 | Master-Yoda | thank you |
| 00:26.43 | nordland-iv | oooh I see...fuck. |
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| 00:26.48 | tarzeau | welson: it certainly is decades better than the GNOME and KDE SHIT |
| 00:26.49 | daedalus_ | Wtf... |
| 00:26.55 | DoppelGanger | such stupidity ha ha |
| 00:26.56 | tarzeau | welson: no, mainly english |
| 00:26.56 | welson | tarzeau, well you're saying looks, put up cute pictures.. |
| 00:27.05 | nordland-iv | daedalus...sweeet...that used to be my SC name hahaha |
| 00:27.06 | tarzeau | welson: you know, we have the real thing ;) |
| 00:27.08 | welson | tarzeau, yes, fvwm2 is very efficient.. |
| 00:28.43 | welson | tarzeau, but I'm good, I use ratpoison :) |
| 00:28.43 | Master-Yoda | thxd |
| 00:28.43 | tarzeau | welson: leaves me enough time to get to talk with the students |
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| 00:28.43 | Exit83 | orlon_: laptop is a Gericom, SiS5513 chipset, i think its from 2003 |
| 00:28.43 | shingouz | Exit83: ACPI i think |
| 00:28.43 | orlon_ | Exit83: gericom? haven't heard of them. are you using lilo or grub to boot? |
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| 00:28.43 | welson | tarzeau, if they speak english why's the site german? |
| 00:28.43 | tarzeau | welson: which site? |
| 00:28.43 | welson | tarzeau, that uni site.. isn't there english versions? |
| 00:28.43 | Exit83 | orlon_: grub, but according to dmesg i think acpi is running by default |
| 00:28.45 | welson | tarzeau, you see I'm a physics enthusiast.. |
| 00:28.58 | tarzeau | welson: wait, then you should know NeXTSTEP, don't you? |
| 00:28.59 | orlon_ | Exit83: cool, then just install the acpid package |
| 00:29.02 | blechx | anyone knows whats up with unstable? im having problems with jack-related stuff. |
| 00:29.03 | welson | tarzeau, talk about E=mc^2 doesn't scractch me.. |
| 00:29.16 | DoppelGanger | blechx: i bet its because its unstable |
| 00:29.18 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 00:29.23 | tarzeau | !topicbadger blechx |
| 00:29.24 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that blechx didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 00:29.34 | tarzeau | welson: www.ethz.ch you mean? |
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| 00:29.48 | tarzeau | welson: look .ch has 3 national langauges, none of them is english |
| 00:29.54 | Exit83 | orlon_: done, and daemon is running |
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| 00:29.54 | nordland-iv | Ok. |
| 00:30.02 | Exit83 | orlon_: and now? :$ |
| 00:30.03 | tarzeau | welson: maybe you want to learn about www.admin.ch |
| 00:30.08 | barry | dang, my firewall is overzealous |
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| 00:30.26 | barry | anyway, so I can't eject a DVD in my drive |
| 00:30.30 | nordland-iv | ok |
| 00:30.37 | tarzeau | barry: tried fuser -k ? |
| 00:30.38 | barry | it says it's busy |
| 00:30.38 | Exit83 | orlon_: i already see battery status, which is cool |
| 00:30.43 | orlon_ | Exit83: well, now you can run the gnome battery applet and it'll show your battery status =] |
| 00:30.44 | nordland-iv | so can someone tell me how to get borderless windows in fluxbox? |
| 00:30.45 | shingouz | barry: check that nothing uses it. lsof |
| 00:30.46 | welson | tarzeau, what programming environment is being used for the sites? |
| 00:30.48 | tarzeau | nordland-iv: no |
| 00:30.52 | nordland-iv | damn. |
| 00:31.02 | nordland-iv | I give up for today...I will return |
| 00:31.15 | tarzeau | welson: i think some use zope. personally i prefere cgi and html (whatever language). |
| 00:31.17 | barry | ok |
| 00:31.21 | orlon_ | Exit83: have a look at the laptop-mode-tools package as well. if you're using a 2.6 kernel it helps |
| 00:31.24 | tarzeau | welson: do you know Objective-C ? |
| 00:31.25 | barry | and another question |
| 00:31.29 | welson | tarzeau, i was going to say zope.. really that's cool stuff.. |
| 00:31.33 | tarzeau | welson: now you've asked alot. tell use about you? |
| 00:31.40 | barry | I have guarddog, and I had to take down the firewall to get on to the IRC chat |
| 00:31.44 | welson | tarzeau, objective-C ? |
| 00:31.51 | tarzeau | welson: yes |
| 00:32.05 | tarzeau | welson: if you were a real Physics enthusiast, you'd know it |
| 00:32.19 | orlon_ | Exit83: and if you have a Pentium-M processor (or anything that supports Speedstep or Longrun) check out powernowd or cpufreqd |
| 00:32.39 | barry | fuser -k doesn't work |
| 00:32.43 | tarzeau | !doesn't work |
| 00:32.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:32.48 | Exit83 | orlon_: i have a amd mobile, so which oif the 2 do you suggest? |
| 00:32.52 | shingouz | barry: lsof |
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| 00:33.19 | Exit83 | orlon_: powernowd or cpufreqd? |
| 00:33.21 | michal__ | how can I get wget to mirror JUST the directory structure and files under a certain path on a http server? |
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| 00:33.39 | orlon_ | Exit83: powernowd is nice and simple, you don't have to do heaps of config |
| 00:33.39 | Guerin | michal__: better to use lftp or something designed for the job |
| 00:33.46 | orlon_ | Exit83: that's what i use |
| 00:34.00 | michal__ | Guerin: i thought wget was designed for this sort of job and lftp wasn't |
| 00:34.11 | welson | tarzeau, einstein was a physics enthusiast.. |
| 00:34.29 | Exit83 | orlon_: powernowd it is then :d |
| 00:34.33 | orlon_ | michal__: wget -m -np -nH http://some.example.com/path |
| 00:34.34 | welson | tarzeau, he wasn't even a real physicist |
| 00:34.54 | welson | tarzeau, so it doesn't hurt me at least to say I'm an enthusiast.. |
| 00:35.30 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 00:35.30 | dpkg | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 00:36.06 | tarzeau | good night |
| 00:36.15 | welson | tarzeau, really |
| 00:36.42 | Guerin | michal__: wget is designed for fairly crude mirroring and spidering. lftp can't do the spidering or mirror a whole website, but it's much better at getting just specific files. |
| 00:36.50 | barry | drat. My DVD drive still isn't detected |
| 00:37.05 | Exit83 | orlon_: do i get menu entry's for all the tools i installed or do i have to start it up manually? |
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| 00:37.16 | Guerin | michal__: bah, I wasn't clear |
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| 00:38.21 | orlon_ | Exit83: which tools? |
| 00:38.36 | Exit83 | laptop-mode-tools and powernowd |
| 00:38.46 | Exit83 | change acpi settings also |
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| 00:39.29 | orlon_ | Exit83: well, they're both daemons so you just need to edit their config files. they'll get started automatically |
| 00:39.50 | orlon_ | Exit83: have a look in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> for info on each one |
| 00:39.53 | Exit83 | orlon_: okay, thx (loactaed in /etc right?) |
| 00:40.07 | orlon_ | Exit83: yup |
| 00:40.09 | welson | barry, what type drive is it, ide? |
| 00:40.29 | barry | yes, it is an IDE |
| 00:40.47 | welson | barry, check if it has been detected with dmesg |
| 00:41.31 | barry | dmesg yeilds a lot of confusing stuff |
| 00:41.42 | welson | barry, dmesg|grep -i cd-r |
| 00:41.42 | orlon_ | barry: dmesg | grep cd |
| 00:41.58 | Exit83 | orlon_: thx for the help, going to bed now and mess around wome more wtih acpi :d |
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| 00:42.00 | Exit83 | bye |
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| 00:42.24 | orlon_ | barry: try this too, lsmod | grep cd |
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| 00:43.52 | welson | gotta go..ciao |
| 00:43.53 | barry | ide-cd 31296 2 |
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| 00:44.11 | Tester_ | how do I find why packages are held back during an upgrade ? or why apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove my applications ? |
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| 00:44.21 | abrotman | Tester_: which version of debian ? |
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| 00:44.48 | abrotman | Tester_: do you understand the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade ? |
| 00:45.08 | jair | guys I have a very old machine here and I was thinking on what kind of distro install on it. |
| 00:45.15 | Tester_ | abrotman: yep.. I want to know which dep is problematic |
| 00:45.23 | jair | it have 24 MB ram and a processor of 75 MHz |
| 00:45.23 | Tester_ | abrotman: upgrading from woody to sarge on that machine |
| 00:45.23 | abrotman | Tester_: which app is it trying to remove ? |
| 00:45.54 | barry | the dmesg|grep -i cd -r did not show anything |
| 00:45.54 | jair | I was trying netbsd but it looks like was giving me bugs stuff so I left them |
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| 00:46.48 | Tester_ | abrotman: was trying to remove courier .... but it seems to have changed its mind.... hmm... I had a version from backports.. |
| 00:47.12 | daedalus_ | jair: speed is not going to be the concern. Processor architecture, harddrive space, and media interface hardware is. |
| 00:47.18 | chealer | Tester_: try apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | Tester_: that might be why .. when you dist-upgrade .. it will remove pckages if something replaces it .. and using a backport . no way to tell .. some of those *depend* on versions of libraries .. so removing things isn't horrible |
| 00:48.51 | chealer | Tester_: unless you use aptitude, which is recommended for an upgrade such as woody->sarge |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | Tester_: if you try `apt-get install courier-<whateveryouneed>` .. what does it do ? |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | chealer: not always true |
| 00:48.51 | jair | daedalus_, I do not really care about the speed, I have a very old hardware like you say, but I do not know the netbsd recognize everything and boot but it is giving me a bug error. |
| 00:48.51 | orlon_ | barry: what about "dmesg | grep -i cd" |
| 00:48.51 | chealer | abrotman: what isn't aptitude? |
| 00:48.51 | jair | and I try debian |
| 00:48.51 | jair | and the machine is too old i think |
| 00:48.51 | jair | it do not even finish boot |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | chealer: that it won't remove stuff |
| 00:48.55 | abrotman | jair: install woody .. then upgrade to sarge if you really want it |
| 00:49.05 | chealer | abrotman: I didn't say that... |
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| 00:49.51 | Master-Yoda | um issue |
| 00:49.51 | jair | abrotman, hmmm |
| 00:49.51 | Master-Yoda | please go to 72.21.59.130 |
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| 00:49.51 | abrotman | is it goats/cs ? |
| 00:49.51 | Master-Yoda | my main ip redirects to my client |
| 00:49.51 | abrotman | bah |
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| 00:49.51 | Master-Yoda | how do i fix it! |
| 00:49.51 | jair | abrotman, I can do woody using the netinst? |
| 00:49.51 | jair | or ftp inst |
| 00:49.51 | jair | ? |
| 00:49.51 | abrotman | jair: yep |
| 00:49.51 | Master-Yoda | please help |
| 00:49.51 | Master-Yoda | URGENT |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | Master-Yoda: i don't see a problem |
| 00:50.06 | jair | abrotman, how could I do that I never seen the option of woody in the netinst cd? |
| 00:50.09 | jair | or floppies? |
| 00:50.17 | daedalus_ | Master-Yoda: Looks lke well formed HTML to me |
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| 00:50.29 | abrotman | jair: i've done many with floppies but .. |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | !tell jair about netinst |
| 00:50.52 | abrotman | !BF |
| 00:50.52 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 01:03.44 | jair | cool |
| 01:03.44 | ninja | anyone know a good site for purchasing older laptops? |
| 01:03.44 | abrotman | ebay ? |
| 01:03.44 | daedalus_ | minja: define older |
| 01:03.44 | jair | so i will boot with those floppies and I will be able to continue the installation thorugh the repositories ftp mirros? |
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| 01:03.44 | ninja | 800mhz |
| 01:03.44 | abrotman | jair: if your NIC is supported |
| 01:03.44 | daedalus_ | jair: yup |
| 01:03.44 | ninja | or so |
| 01:03.44 | ninja | nothing above a gig |
| 01:03.44 | ninja | pricewatch is nice |
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| 01:03.44 | jair | abrotman, I am sure it is |
| 01:03.44 | ninja | but i was looking for some comparison sites |
| 01:03.44 | jair | abrotman, it is a 3com very standard |
| 01:03.44 | jair | ok |
| 01:03.44 | jair | thank you then I will go ahead and downlead the floppies and see what could i doo. |
| 01:03.44 | deepan | what is wrong with this command.. "troff -e -mandoc check.txt" |
| 01:03.44 | abrotman | it doesn't work! |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | deepan: -e isn't an option ? |
| 01:03.45 | daedalus_ | deepan: -e doesn't seem to be an option? |
| 01:03.45 | deepan | oh.. |
| 01:03.45 | daedalus_ | abrotman: beat me to it |
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| 01:03.45 | abrotman | deepan: and .. -mandoc doesn't seem right either |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | that was just a cursory glance at the man page .. i could be wrong |
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| 01:03.46 | deepan | abrotman: i have a small text file just with two lines.. NAME and DESCRITION .. i want to see how it would look in man format.. so i gave the command as in tutorial page.. please tell me the corrected command.. i gave it as it was give in this site http://anaturb.net/create_man_p.htm |
| 01:03.46 | CrocoJet | exist program to open .cue ? |
| 01:03.46 | jair | abrotman, I should just download the floppie root and the bin ones the 1 through 4? |
| 01:03.46 | abrotman | jair: you need at least 2 .. root and boot |
| 01:03.46 | abrotman | jair: driver files may also be needed depending on nic etc |
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| 01:03.46 | jair | abrotman, got it. |
| 01:03.47 | abrotman | deepan: dunno .. i've never made a man page |
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| 01:03.47 | daedalus_ | deepan: nroff != troff |
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| 01:03.47 | abrotman | oh yeah .. |
| 01:03.47 | abrotman | not even close afaik |
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| 01:03.47 | deepan | daedalus_: i did not undestand.. |
| 01:03.47 | deepan | oh.. got it |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | yeah .. != is hard |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | !be a != barbie |
| 01:03.48 | dpkg | Aww, != is hard! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
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| 01:03.49 | abrotman | !tell DavidLeeRoth about root |
| 01:03.49 | jetx | !tell DavidLeeRoth about EddieVanHalen |
| 01:03.49 | abrotman | no |
| 01:03.49 | deepan | thanks .. daedalus_ |
| 01:03.49 | abrotman | !tell DavidLeeRoth about VanHagar |
| 01:03.49 | daedalus_ | deepan: no problem |
| 01:03.49 | jetx | lol |
| 01:03.49 | fhffhqvb | !tell DavidLeeRoth about root |
| 01:03.49 | jetx | vanhagar-- |
| 01:03.49 | astronut | cron supports an onboot run, right? |
| 01:03.49 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: i already did |
| 01:03.49 | jetx | but the_joke++ |
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| 01:03.49 | orlon_ | astronut: i think you need anacron |
| 01:03.57 | abrotman | apt: you're slow |
| 01:03.57 | apt | i'll take that as a complement |
| 01:03.57 | astronut | orlon_: think i have dixie |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | astronut: you mean a runonce ? .. or just the job was missed .. and it will run thne ? |
| 01:04.28 | astronut | run at boot..runonce i assume |
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| 01:04.40 | abrotman | astronut: you read the README in /etc/init.d |
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| 01:04.50 | astronut | abrotman: i'd rather avoid init.d |
| 01:05.00 | abrotman | astronut: well .. that's what you have to do |
| 01:05.11 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.12 | astronut | hah |
| 01:05.17 | astronut | i can use cron ;-) |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | ah ok .. best of luck then |
| 01:05.26 | astronut | ty |
| 01:05.32 | astronut | it's a temporary thing |
| 01:07.02 | tengulre | I have a aic7xxx SCSI controler,but I don't know how to install linux on it! |
| 01:07.18 | tengulre | when I boot system with CD-ROM, how to use 'disk druid' tools split partition?? |
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| 01:07.30 | abrotman | disk druid isn't in debian last i checked |
| 01:08.09 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.18 | abrotman | in the scsi bios ? |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | unless it's not a raid capable scsi controller |
| 01:08.34 | deepan | under what number should i put my man page? i have created a biotech -related software.. there are so many folder under /usr/share/man/ .. man1 man2... till man9 .. where should i fit mine.. i use autotools to install... |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | deepan: there is .. uhm .. documentation on that :) |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | man man |
| 01:09.19 | tengulre | abrotman, hi! I m yesterday's one! |
| 01:09.29 | abrotman | see .. i'm here .. and you were scared :) |
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| 01:09.32 | deepan | k.. thanks abrotman |
| 01:09.58 | tengulre | :) |
| 01:10.09 | tengulre | how to do? |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | look in the SCSI bios |
| 01:10.21 | FieldySnuts | ~annoy tengulre |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | or check google for the capabilities of that controller |
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| 01:11.36 | tengulre | abrotman, but I can't found any messages on google! |
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| 01:11.44 | abrotman | tengulre: what did you search for ? |
| 01:12.10 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Lycos! |
| 01:12.11 | tengulre | abrotman, google 'aic7 scsi redhat' |
| 01:12.16 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: kartoo! |
| 01:12.25 | abrotman | tengulre: what are you searching for redhat for ? |
| 01:12.40 | initech | tengulre: what model card is it? aic7xxx covers a lot of models |
| 01:12.45 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Becasue redhat is Linux. Duh, everybody knows that. |
| 01:12.59 | abrotman | oh .. yeah |
| 01:13.08 | tengulre | abrotman, :) |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | tengulre: are you installing redhat ? |
| 01:13.24 | tengulre | abrotman, yes |
| 01:13.28 | abrotman | then ask them |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | #redhat |
| 01:13.44 | initech | abrotman: THERE'S NO ONE THERE!!!! |
| 01:13.52 | sprink | Hi. I just installed debian with windowmaker only and I would like to install gtk so I can compil gtk apps. But I cant seem to find the right package I need |
| 01:13.54 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 01:14.00 | tengulre | abrotman,:( |
| 01:14.10 | abrotman | sprink: you want libgtk1.2-dev .. or whatever version you're looking for |
| 01:14.55 | initech | tengulre: seriously, try #rhel or #redhat |
| 01:14.55 | tengulre | initech, thanks |
| 01:14.55 | abrotman | or libgtk2.0-dev .or whatever |
| 01:15.51 | initech | does every distros irc client dump people into #debian by default or what? |
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| 01:15.51 | initech | i think even mirc does |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | initech: because they steal our packages!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:15.51 | sprink | abrotman, does that include the run times and eveything? |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | sprink: you didn't ask for those :) |
| 01:15.51 | initech | abrotman: you ain't lyin |
| 01:15.54 | DavidLeeRoth | I run Kubuntu in a virtual machine |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | sprink: assume you want ... libgtk2.0 .. if you want the package to compile .. you want libgtk2.0-dev |
| 01:16.08 | sprink | abrotman, sorry I figured those were needed to run apps compiled with gtk |
| 01:16.11 | abrotman | DavidLeeRoth: wrong channel |
| 01:16.17 | abrotman | sprink: they are |
| 01:16.19 | initech | DavidLeeRoth: are you really david lee roth? |
| 01:16.22 | abrotman | sprink: the -dev packages aren't |
| 01:16.25 | DavidLeeRoth | yes |
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| 01:17.18 | sprink | abrotman, so I need both if I want to run them after compiling?.. heh |
| 01:17.18 | sprink | abrotman, thanks for help |
| 01:17.18 | abrotman | sprink: make sense ? |
| 01:17.18 | DavidLeeRoth | Kubuntu is based off debian |
| 01:17.18 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 01:17.18 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 01:17.18 | sprink | abrotman, yup |
| 01:17.18 | DavidLeeRoth | so i aint no stranger |
| 01:17.18 | abrotman | sprink: ok .. good |
| 01:17.18 | sprink | abrotman, I just didn't think you could compile them if they weren't gonna run. |
| 01:17.18 | FieldySnuts | read that, DavidLeeRoth. if you don't understand it, you're going to have a very hard time here |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | DavidLeeRoth: /j #Kubuntu |
| 01:17.23 | DavidLeeRoth | yeah |
| 01:17.28 | DavidLeeRoth | im just here to talk |
| 01:17.28 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: get the !they don't know ready |
| 01:17.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:17.38 | FieldySnuts | no i know, date him |
| 01:17.40 | DavidLeeRoth | im not really lookin for an answer to a ? |
| 01:17.45 | initech | DavidLeeRoth: just don't start singing |
| 01:17.51 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:17.54 | DavidLeeRoth | yankee rose |
| 01:18.28 | FieldySnuts | ARGH |
| 01:18.28 | FieldySnuts | die 80's/90's die! |
| 01:18.28 | DavidLeeRoth | fuck that |
| 01:18.28 | DavidLeeRoth | david lee roth is jumpin! |
| 01:18.28 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck DavidLeeRoth |
| 01:18.28 | abrotman | hey .. late 80's weren't bad .. and 90's had some good music |
| 01:18.29 | DavidLeeRoth | Nirvana |
| 01:18.30 | FieldySnuts | apt: hi. |
| 01:18.30 | apt | hello, fieldysnuts |
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| 01:18.43 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i think he had his fuck removed |
| 01:18.46 | DavidLeeRoth | apt-get goodmusic_VanHalen |
| 01:18.50 | FieldySnuts | probably |
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| 01:19.08 | plugwash | !start a flamewar |
| 01:19.08 | dpkg | Finnish is better than Swedish |
| 01:19.31 | DavidLeeRoth | english is better than all |
| 01:19.32 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 01:19.37 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a world war |
| 01:19.37 | apt | Israel kicks Saudi ass! |
| 01:19.47 | initech | the top 40 of the 80's was probably the worst of all time, but otherwise it was ok |
| 01:19.56 | DavidLeeRoth | motley crue! |
| 01:19.58 | deepan | abrotman: .. i am not able to spot.. under what number should i put my man page? i have created a biotech -related software.. there are so many folder under /usr/share/man/ .. man1 man2... till man9 .. where should i fit mine.. i use autotools to install... |
| 01:20.11 | DavidLeeRoth | apt: start a world war |
| 01:20.11 | apt | USA should nuke North Korea! |
| 01:20.13 | deepan | i am not able to spot it in man man |
| 01:20.16 | DavidLeeRoth | yes! |
| 01:20.18 | cbecht | Where could I get an eggdrop script to create an apt-like bot? I tried a dictionary script from egghelp.org, but it didn't behave quite how I wanted. |
| 01:20.23 | FieldySnuts | whoa that was cool, people doing up fireworks and there is a storm in the area, so the sound of a thunder bolt blew away all the fireworks hehe. kind of like "hah, puny humans." |
| 01:20.34 | abrotman | deepan: is it just a single binary ? .. libraries ? what ? |
| 01:20.37 | DavidLeeRoth | where do you live |
| 01:20.40 | DavidLeeRoth | thats hapening here |
| 01:20.40 | individuality | saddam wasn't that bad after all |
| 01:20.42 | deepan | no libraries.. |
| 01:20.46 | DavidLeeRoth | fireworks and thunder |
| 01:20.48 | orlon_ | deepan: man man |
| 01:20.49 | deepan | only some binaries.. abrotman |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | deepan: ok .. how many man pages ? |
| 01:20.57 | orlon_ | deepan: that lists what the numbers are for |
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| 01:21.03 | initech | DavidLeeRoth: any EMP's or alien tripods? |
| 01:21.45 | deepan | orlon_: i am not able to spot it man man |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | deepan: it's right at the top |
| 01:21.45 | deepan | will try again orlon_ |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:21.55 | abrotman | ~start a world war |
| 01:21.55 | apt | India will get its ass kicked by Pakistan! |
| 01:22.20 | DavidLeeRoth | what other commands does apt have? |
| 01:22.32 | initech | DavidLeeRoth: apt-get moo |
| 01:22.38 | DavidLeeRoth | i love that |
| 01:22.51 | DavidLeeRoth | thats an old thang though |
| 01:24.24 | FieldySnuts | i wonder if this still works? log in as ROOT (yes caps) at console, and the entire console comes up in caps |
| 01:24.24 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i think it's any username |
| 01:24.24 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 01:24.24 | FieldySnuts | i just did it as ROOT heh |
| 01:24.24 | abrotman | but last i tried .. it did |
| 01:24.24 | FieldySnuts | that's amusing |
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| 01:24.24 | abrotman | it's annoying |
| 01:24.24 | abrotman | but i bet my dad would like it |
| 01:24.24 | FieldySnuts | user error |
| 01:24.24 | abrotman | his emails : HI .> HOW ARE YOU?? |
| 01:24.24 | abrotman | and a few paragraphs of that .. get annoying |
| 01:24.36 | cbecht | Anybody know what script powers the apt bot? |
| 01:24.43 | FieldySnuts | ~gender |
| 01:24.43 | apt | I'm female |
| 01:24.44 | abrotman | cbecht: blootbot |
| 01:24.48 | abrotman | ~what are you |
| 01:24.48 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:24.53 | cbecht | abrotman: Sweet, thanks |
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| 01:25.33 | DavidLeeRoth | cbecht: mother fucker |
| 01:25.38 | DavidLeeRoth | ~what are you |
| 01:25.38 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 01:27.15 | claudio_ | FieldySnuts: the all-caps thing is for ancient terminals that don't have lowercase characters |
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| 01:27.53 | claudio_ | FieldySnuts: IIRC real uppercase comes with a trailing backslash if you're in this mode |
| 01:28.22 | FieldySnuts | shit happens |
| 01:30.01 | plugwash | ~bloodbot |
| 01:30.01 | apt | perhaps you mean blootbot |
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| 01:30.39 | MobyTurbo | plugwash: /msg the bots |
| 01:30.47 | Skywind | Did someone know how to restrict normal user restart computer on Gnome? (I removed S bit of shutdown, halt alreadey) |
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| 01:32.09 | mdh | ~botsnack |
| 01:32.09 | apt | thanks, mdh |
| 01:32.15 | astronut | Skywind: yes |
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| 01:32.22 | astronut | gdmsetup |
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| 01:33.01 | Learn | Hey I have a problem with my mouse in X11 (XFree), While evtest detect all the 12 buttons on my mouse (all working) X11 only "sees" 8; even with Option "Buttons" "12" I'm using evdev for the protocol Kernel 2.6.12.2 |
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| 01:33.14 | Learn | any pointers :/ |
| 01:33.27 | Skywind | astronut, gdmsetup? |
| 01:33.35 | astronut | Skywind: yes |
| 01:33.48 | astronut | it's a config program for gdm (the gnome desktop manager) |
| 01:33.52 | Skywind | which option? |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | Skywind: resecure the SystemMenu |
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| 01:34.30 | Skywind | I will try it, wait :) |
| 01:34.41 | abrotman | as in SecureSystemMenu=True |
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| 01:35.46 | abrotman | actually .. i think you can entirely turn off the system menu |
| 01:36.27 | pumpitup | ok i just was the geekiest thing and i want it a transparent terminal logging everything and showing it in real time in the background how could i do that? |
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| 01:36.49 | pumpitup | *saw |
| 01:37.10 | abrotman | saw where ? |
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| 01:37.55 | FieldySnuts | borderless transparent Eterm with no menu or scroll |
| 01:38.01 | FieldySnuts | set to be on the bottom |
| 01:38.06 | abrotman | that's not real time |
| 01:38.08 | FieldySnuts | running xtail |
| 01:38.15 | pumpitup | abrotman: err forgot the web site but it was showing various desktops of ppl |
| 01:38.16 | FieldySnuts | close enough |
| 01:38.29 | abrotman | pumpitup: oh .. so you don't know it was real time |
| 01:38.33 | daedalus_ | Learn: What mouse emulation are you using? |
| 01:38.34 | abrotman | pumpitup: then yes .. Eterm |
| 01:38.35 | FieldySnuts | most don't know what they are saying when they say realtime anyway |
| 01:38.51 | pumpitup | OK sry bout that mistake |
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| 01:40.06 | Learn | daedalus_: Emulation ? None, I'm using evdev (/dev/input/eventX) - unless you mean something else |
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| 01:40.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I have to drive all the way to SF to pick up a wireless bridge ;( This sucks... worst 4th of July ever.. |
| 01:40.49 | daedalus_ | Learn: Duh. Yeah, my bad. |
| 01:41.02 | pumpitup | abrotman : what should i give xtail to monitor /proc something? |
| 01:41.04 | Learn | daedalus_: hehe no prob :) |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | pumpitup: whatever you want to watch |
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| 01:42.25 | Skywind | abrotman, I can't find that option, my gdm version is 2.4, and yours? |
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| 01:42.42 | abrotman | Skyblaze: no idea .. but i don't think any version of debian has 2.4 |
| 01:42.46 | abrotman | !info gdm sarge |
| 01:42.57 | dpkg | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.0.8-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3070 kB, Installed size: 8492 kB |
| 01:43.00 | abrotman | yeah .. exactly |
| 01:43.21 | abrotman | !info gdm etch |
| 01:43.24 | dpkg | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.0.8-1 (etch), Packaged size: 3070 kB, Installed size: 8492 kB |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | !info gdm sid |
| 01:43.26 | crashbg | please can someone help me and ping my box |
| 01:43.27 | dpkg | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.0.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3070 kB, Installed size: 8492 kB |
| 01:43.31 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 01:43.38 | abrotman | i thought gnome 2.10 was moving into sid |
| 01:43.47 | abrotman | !ping crashbg |
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| 01:44.10 | daedalus_ | Learn: I'm out. I got nothing. Sorry. |
| 01:44.36 | Learn | daedalus_: Thanks - I might try a XOrg RC it seems they have good support for EVDev |
| 01:44.36 | pumpitup | abrotman : what logs all internet activity |
| 01:44.50 | abrotman | nothing unless you set it to |
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| 01:46.15 | Learn | At the risk of beeing redundunt - are their any guides on building xorg on debian (either making .debs or installing in /usr/local) ? |
| 01:46.33 | abrotman | topic\ |
| 01:47.21 | Learn | dpkg doesn't seem to reply, asked it about xorg 2 minutes ago... |
| 01:47.34 | abrotman | !zorg |
| 01:47.39 | hacim | zog? |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 01:47.42 | dpkg | somebody said xorg was X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 01:47.57 | Learn | well it hates me then |
| 01:48.01 | mdh | abrotman: gnome 2.10 is moving into sid. slowly. |
| 01:48.09 | abrotman | ah |
| 01:48.23 | mdh | the majority of it is there. |
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| 01:48.55 | mdh | actually I was surprised to discover today that libgnome and bonobo hadn't been updated with the last batch... they are today |
| 01:48.58 | akusarujin | is sid worthwhile, anymore? i've been sticking with testing, a lot, lately. |
| 01:49.16 | mdh | akusarujin: I've always run sid |
| 01:50.47 | orlon_ | Learn: someone's made a backport of the Xorg debs for sarge, have a look on planet.debian.org |
| 01:50.47 | mdh | the fun part is, when it breaks, you get to keep both parts! |
| 01:50.47 | akusarujin | drofl. |
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| 01:50.47 | akusarujin | -d |
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| 01:50.47 | akusarujin | i'm not in much of a rush to use xorg |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | .net |
| 01:50.47 | Learn | akusarujin: I'm not either but the 6.9RC has a new EVdev driver that does a lot of work |
| 01:50.47 | Learn | and might just fix my problems |
| 01:50.52 | daedalus_ | abrotman, at the risk of being dumb, is there a way for me to get a listing of the !xxxx commands from teh dpkg bot? |
| 01:50.52 | akusarujin | ah. |
| 01:51.08 | akusarujin | listkeys, daedalus_ |
| 01:51.12 | akusarujin | and have fun searching? |
| 01:51.17 | daedalus_ | thanks |
| 01:51.19 | abrotman | !tell daedalus_ about help |
| 01:51.32 | daedalus_ | I did help. It is rather unuseful |
| 01:51.41 | akusarujin | not really, it shows listkeys :) |
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| 01:51.52 | abrotman | daedalus_: listkeys is there .. so is listval |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | err listvals |
| 01:52.03 | blackout | how can i use wget to download something in binary form? the man page doesn't mention binary form, as far as I can tell |
| 01:52.14 | blackout | frankly, i'll use anything i can get easily |
| 01:52.16 | akusarujin | tell is the worst feature blootbots have to offer :( |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | blackout: in windows .. you have text/binary .. unix doesn't |
| 01:52.28 | blackout | firefox is displaying a binary instead of offering to download it, so that's out |
| 01:52.46 | blackout | abrotman: hmmm, dpkg tells me that i downloaded something in ascii that should've been downloaded in binary |
| 01:52.56 | abrotman | blackout: from wher e? |
| 01:52.58 | orlon_ | blackout: have you tried 'Save link target as' instead of clicking the link |
| 01:52.58 | blackout | abrotman: so it seems like dpkg at least understands the difference |
| 01:53.01 | akusarujin | blackout, right click > save target as, or something to that extent |
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| 01:53.07 | blackout | orlon_: yeah, it's a redirect |
| 01:53.17 | akusarujin | so figure out what the redirect is :) |
| 01:53.21 | akusarujin | ctrl+u, view source |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | blackout: it's not the AIM client is it ? |
| 01:56.03 | JRlinux | I am considering trying to install Debian. I have disks for Debian 3.0 r1-- seven disks in all! Would it be worthwhile installing from them, or should I get a newer version. I am not good at complicated installations. |
| 01:56.03 | blackout | abrotman: ha.... yes |
| 01:56.03 | blackout | abrotman: good grief. |
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| 01:56.03 | abrotman | blackout: it was uploaded in crap format .. nfc .. alien the RPM |
| 01:56.03 | coywolf | how to check if a installed package still ok? |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | blackout: i tried that many many times |
| 01:56.03 | coywolf | and reinstall it |
| 01:56.03 | blackout | abrotman: thanks. |
| 01:56.03 | akusarujin | JRlinux, try sarge. |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | !d-i JRlinux |
| 01:56.03 | dpkg | JRlinux, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:56.03 | Aceman | does anybody here knows howto install american army ? |
| 01:56.03 | blackout | abrotman: thanks for saving me the time... phew. |
| 01:56.03 | JRlinux | LOL, OK, thanks! How many disks to download? |
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| 01:56.05 | coywolf | how to check if a installed package still ok? and reinstall it? thanks |
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| 01:56.05 | akusarujin | coywolf, dpkg -i <package> |
| 01:56.05 | deepan | how do i install gcc in a linux system which does not have gcc.. i mean no compiler.. no cc or any c compiler |
| 01:56.05 | akusarujin | JRlinux, just one, really. |
| 01:56.05 | abrotman | coywolf: why wouldn't it be ok ? |
| 01:56.05 | inxs | what's the best pcmcia wireless card for Debian? |
| 01:56.05 | abrotman | deepan: apt-get install gcc ? |
| 01:56.07 | bloom | deepan: apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:56.07 | abrotman | or g++ |
| 01:56.12 | akusarujin | JRlinux, just download the first one, the packages are sorted in order of importance, meaning most of what you'll want to get is on the first disk... the rest you can download. |
| 01:56.20 | coywolf | abrotman, after a fsck, /usr/bin/bzless is cleared |
| 01:56.20 | abrotman | no .. get the netinst |
| 01:56.28 | akusarujin | er, importance -> popularity. |
| 01:56.29 | abrotman | coywolf: you've got bigger problems then |
| 01:56.31 | FieldySnuts | ~abuse mirror bandwidth |
| 01:56.31 | apt | ACTION smacks mirror bandwidth across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 01:56.34 | coywolf | abrotman, so i want to check bzip2 package and reinstall it |
| 01:56.39 | abrotman | JRlinux: just use the 100MB netinst |
| 01:56.45 | deepan | it goes that way in debian. .But what do i do in fedora.. abrotman |
| 01:56.46 | abrotman | coywolf: man apt-get |
| 01:56.48 | bloom | deepan: because you'll need a few other things like a linker and make in order to really be useful |
| 01:56.55 | abrotman | deepan: fedora has a gcc package also |
| 01:57.16 | bloom | !fedora |
| 01:57.16 | dpkg | i heard fedora is Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information |
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| 01:57.17 | Learn | Eh, crap, I'm stuck compiling XOrg 6.8.99.xx |
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| 01:58.13 | orlon_ | Learn: http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/07/02#20050625_xorg-backport |
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| 01:58.26 | JRlinux | akusarujin thanks! This computer has NOT been able to use kernels newer than 2.4.26 on anything I have tried, so I may be disappointed? |
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| 02:00.04 | Learn | orlon_: it's 6.8.2 :/ I need a patch that will be applied in 6.9 |
| 02:00.04 | JRlinux | abrotman, I mean... |
| 02:00.04 | shingouz | JRlinux: what is that computer then? most boxen can handle 2.6 afaik |
| 02:00.04 | abrotman | JRlinux: the installer uses 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 .. |
| 02:00.04 | orlon_ | Learn: aah |
| 02:00.04 | orlon_ | Learn: bugger. maybe grab the src package and upgrade it |
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| 02:00.30 | Learn | orlon_: That's what I think I'll do |
| 02:02.00 | JRlinux | abrotman, it is a k6 450 mHz using an auxiliary hd controller. Knoppix is one of the live CDs finding that controller, while many miss it. So I am hoping Debian can... |
| 02:02.00 | abrotman | JRlinux: all i can say is to try it |
| 02:02.00 | JRlinux | OK, thanks! |
| 02:02.28 | initech | JRlinux: ide or scsi? |
| 02:02.33 | JRlinux | ide |
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| 02:02.55 | JRlinux | it sorts out /dev/hde |
| 02:03.28 | Learn | Hey look what I found http://blogs.vislab.usyd.edu.au/index.php/Steve/2004/09/09/installing_a_non_intrusive_x [ Installing a non-intrusive X.org server on Debian ] << Just as a reference |
| 02:06.01 | bloom | JRlinux: do you need access to the drive to install, or are you planning to partition it for other stuff later? |
| 02:06.01 | bloom | JRlinux: because you can always install, then compile your own kernel with the necessary driver |
| 02:06.11 | Learn | does DPKG know about ati ? |
| 02:06.15 | JRlinux | bloom, as I understand it, I can try the netinstall and do that right from this old Fedora OS I am presently using? |
| 02:06.21 | Learn | I have a freind here having problems with his ATi |
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| 02:07.08 | JRlinux | bloom, have never compiled a kernel, but I could give it a try, if necessary! |
| 02:07.11 | bloom | JRlinux: are you installing on hde? |
| 02:07.23 | Skywind | abrotman, I upgrade to gdm 2.6.... but can't find that option still |
| 02:07.31 | bloom | !kernel compile |
| 02:07.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | Skywind: are you editing the file with an editor or using gdmconfig ? |
| 02:08.16 | Skywind | I think gdmsetup can only resrtict user to restart/shutdown computer in gdm screen, but can't control this in gnome session |
| 02:08.22 | JRlinux | bloom the installation must go to the hde partitions-- all except hde1, which is WindowsME. |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | Skywind: are you editing the file with an editor or using gdmconfig ? |
| 02:08.39 | abrotman | Skywind: i always edit the config file directly |
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| 02:09.09 | abrotman | Skywind: and in the file are two optoins SystemMenu and SecureSystemMenu |
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| 02:09.59 | Skywind | SystemMenu=true |
| 02:10.04 | Skywind | SecureSystemMenu=true |
| 02:10.16 | Skywind | it's my setting in gdm.conf |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | which means they have to enter the root password to shutdown/reboot |
| 02:10.22 | abrotman | but the menu is there |
| 02:10.35 | abrotman | if you don't want them to see the menu .. change SystemMenu to false |
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| 02:10.51 | abrotman | but be aware that not even your regular user will be able to shutdown via gdm |
| 02:11.04 | bloom | JRlinux: all I can say then is try installing from CD's and see what happens. I don't know anything about how to do an install from a custom kernel |
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| 02:11.21 | Skywind | ye, but I want restrict restart/shutdown in gnome->desktop->logout->restart :) |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | so turn off the system menu |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | it shold already require roots password ... |
| 02:14.25 | Skywind | I will try it:) |
| 02:14.25 | JRlinux | bloom, OK. |
| 02:14.25 | Wyzard|TP | I don't think that GDM setting affects whether you can perform a shutdown from GNOME's logout dialog |
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| 02:14.25 | JRlinux | But how does that netinstall image work? I download the i386 100 meg file and burn it and boot with it? Then the install comes off broadband? |
| 02:14.25 | Wyzard|TP | I have SecureSystemMenu=true, but I can still shutdown from the logout dialog |
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| 02:19.28 | Skywind | Wyzard|TP, did you know how to restrict it (normal user perform shutdown from logout dialog) |
| 02:19.28 | Wyzard|TP | JRlinux: The netinst contains enough to install the base system, which is just the bare essentials to have a bootable Debian on your hard drive; then you reboot into the installed system and it installs the rest of the standard packages by downloading them |
| 02:19.28 | Wyzard|TP | Skywind: I don't, sorry |
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| 02:19.28 | Wyzard|TP | JRlinux: The businesscard is smaller because it doesn't contain even the base system, and must download that during installation |
| 02:19.28 | mdh | I'm fucking sick & tired of lame-arse excuses for operating systems that don't have easy access to known problems with them |
| 02:19.28 | jclinton | Skywind: just turn it off in your display manager config |
| 02:19.29 | crashbg | how can i make bind9 and iptables to give host names for the computers in the local network in front of the domain name??? does anyone know? |
| 02:19.29 | FieldySnuts | ~troll mdh |
| 02:19.29 | apt | ACTION hereby declares mdh a troll |
| 02:19.29 | maverick | where can I get the list of packages included in debian 3.1? or, does someone can tell me which one is the default kernel? |
| 02:19.29 | initech | crashbg: what does iptables have to do with it? |
| 02:19.29 | crashbg | something like pc1.domain.com pc2.domain.com etc... |
| 02:19.29 | jclinton | Skywind: both KDM and GDM can turn it off in their graphical configs |
| 02:19.29 | chealer | maverick: on i386, it's 2.4.27 |
| 02:19.29 | crashbg | well because the local machines are behind NAT |
| 02:19.30 | initech | crashbg: dhcp3-server and bind |
| 02:19.30 | jclinton | would the maintainer of the VLC debian packages or someone familiar with them be here by chance? |
| 02:19.30 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Just make up a zone (like my.house) and define some hosts in it (mycomp.my.house, etc.) |
| 02:19.30 | chealer | maverick: I'm not sure how to get a complete list, but packaged.d.o may replace it nicely |
| 02:19.30 | mdh | ~trigger-happy-idiot FieldySnuts |
| 02:19.30 | Skywind | jclinton, I can turn it off, but the normal user can shutdown computer via GNOME logout dialog :) |
| 02:19.30 | rob_lt | maverick, the "default" 2.6 kernel is 2.6.8 |
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| 02:19.31 | JRlinux | Wyzard|TP, sounds neat! If it doesn't work, I can try the full isos, I guess-- unless I see right away that the hd controller is not found-- or that the kernel does not support this machine. |
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| 02:19.31 | jclinton | Skywind: so you already tried it and it is ignoring your settings? |
| 02:19.31 | maverick | k... thanks, and what about Xorg? |
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| 02:19.31 | rob_lt | !tell maverick about xorg |
| 02:19.31 | chealer | jclinton: no, he's on #videolan |
| 02:19.31 | Wyzard|TP | JRlinux: The system installed by the netinst is the same as what's installed by the full isos... the only reason to use the full CDs is if you don't have an Internet connection available while installing |
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| 02:19.31 | Skywind | I guess it have a GNOME setting will control this, but I can't find it :) |
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| 02:19.31 | jclinton | chealer: ty |
| 02:19.31 | concept10 | Im using dyndns to redirect to a site... I have to computers behind a firewall, how do I forward this to the servers IP? |
| 02:19.31 | rob_lt | maverick, if you use the netinstall, boot with the "linux26" option, and it will install a 2.6 kernel as default. |
| 02:19.31 | Thanatermesis | dpkg, x en es and the small text is additional info. an explanation, or the sort-key. The MP3's name from the tag, as opposed to the file-name. That sort of thing. |
| 02:19.31 | initech | concept10: so I assume you did not get arrested :) |
| 02:19.32 | dpkg | Thanatermesis: okay |
| 02:19.32 | Thanatermesis | :o |
| 02:19.32 | maverick | nah... I know what it is... just want to know what is the version.... |
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| 02:19.32 | rob_lt | maverick, I'm not sure if that option exists with the normal CD install, but it might, I just don't know. |
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| 02:19.32 | JRlinux | Wyzard|TP, thanks for the information; I will give it a try! |
| 02:19.32 | mfrisch | initech I got an email "legel notice" but I don't thinks it real :)~ |
| 02:19.32 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: You were talking about bind9, not dhcpd |
| 02:19.32 | concept10 | initech, clear as water right now :) |
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| 02:20.05 | maverick | X -version under debian 3.1? |
| 02:21.47 | crashbg | Wyzard, someone mentioned bind9... |
| 02:21.47 | concept10 | bbl |
| 02:21.47 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: btw, 192.100.0.1 is not a private IP address and you should not be using it behind your NAT |
| 02:21.47 | crashbg | it is class C |
| 02:21.47 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Irrelevant |
| 02:21.47 | initech | crashbg: you would need dhcpd to pass the hostnames to the clients, and bind / dynamic dns to make them resolve |
| 02:21.47 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: It's not in one of the ranges reserved for private use |
| 02:21.47 | crashbg | ok this i can change easy |
| 02:21.54 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: http://www.pku.edu.cn/academic/research/computer-center/tc/html/TC0305.html |
| 02:22.02 | rob_lt | maverick, go to packages.debian.org and just search for all the packages you are interested in |
| 02:24.59 | crashbg | initech, ok lets say i have host notebook |
| 02:24.59 | maverick | rob_lt, thanks |
| 02:24.59 | maverick | this is what I want to get... |
| 02:24.59 | crashbg | in dhcp3 config file |
| 02:24.59 | crashbg | i want to become notebook.domain.com |
| 02:24.59 | crashbg | what is the syntaxis ? |
| 02:24.59 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: You don't need dynamic DNS if your hosts are known in advance... you can configure dhcpd to recognize each one by its MAC address and give it a fixed IP address, and then set up names for those addresses in DNS |
| 02:25.00 | crashbg | well yea, they all are statically assigned by MAC address |
| 02:25.00 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: You already have the static IPs configured? |
| 02:25.00 | initech | Wyzard: yes, that's the best way |
| 02:25.00 | crashbg | yes |
| 02:25.00 | crashbg | i just need the subdomain names |
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| 02:25.00 | Learn | What's the command to send a message to a loged in users ? |
| 02:25.00 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Then you're done with the DHCP part, and just need to set up DNS |
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| 02:25.00 | crashbg | ok :) |
| 02:25.00 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: That's a bit of a complex thing to walk through in IRC though |
| 02:25.13 | crashbg | well i just configured bind9 for my website |
| 02:25.13 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: I found the O'Reilly book "DNS & BIND" very helpful when setting it up on my network |
| 02:25.16 | Learn | wall ! |
| 02:25.19 | Learn | thanks anyway :P |
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| 02:25.42 | crashbg | i know how to assign ip-addresses to names |
| 02:25.44 | maverick | crap... 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14... not even xorg... |
| 02:25.49 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: But basically, when you configure BIND, you just make up a domain (one that doesn't exist "outside", to avoid conflicts) and put some hosts in it |
| 02:25.49 | crashbg | and reverse lookup |
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| 02:26.11 | crashbg | Wyzard, i configured bind9 to use my real domain |
| 02:26.27 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Oh, you have a real domain? |
| 02:26.27 | Wyzard|TP | ok |
| 02:26.29 | CVirus | guys .. anybody willing to help me with a Quake issue ? |
| 02:26.45 | crashbg | real ip address with domain name |
| 02:26.57 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Don't /msg... talk in the channel where others can see what you're saying and participate in the conversation |
| 02:27.04 | crashbg | ok :) |
| 02:27.23 | maverick | CVirus, sure... just take the BFG... |
| 02:27.26 | crashbg | so i just dont get it how to configure bind9 for local users |
| 02:27.35 | crashbg | i know how to add other real ip addreses |
| 02:27.44 | crashbg | as subdomains |
| 02:27.45 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: There's nothing special about using BIND for "local users" |
| 02:27.48 | CVirus | maverick: whats a BFG ? |
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| 02:28.04 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: If you're trying to mix "private" and "public" addresses in the same zone, that's a bad idea |
| 02:28.29 | crashbg | ok, i have one zone for my domain |
| 02:28.38 | crashbg | how to make another for the nated users? |
| 02:28.42 | crashbg | i mean |
| 02:28.42 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Maybe make a subdomain... so if your domain is "mydomain.com", maybe "private.mydomain.com" could contain the hostnames for your internal machines |
| 02:28.58 | maverick | CVirus, the Big Fucking Gun... |
| 02:29.10 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Create it just like any other zone in BIND |
| 02:29.24 | maverick | it's a well known expression... |
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| 02:29.55 | CVirus | maverick: [root@MainFrame quake]# ./quake.x11 |
| 02:29.56 | crashbg | wow |
| 02:29.56 | CVirus | bash: ./quake.x11: /lib/ld-linux.so.1: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 02:30.02 | ppc_guy | hey all, question |
| 02:30.07 | crashbg | wtf? |
| 02:30.19 | ppc_guy | adding a second hd with debian sarge.. Do I just use cfdisk to format? |
| 02:30.34 | Wyzard|TP | ppc_guy: cfdisk makes partitions; it doesn't format anything |
| 02:30.52 | Wyzard|TP | ppc_guy: Once you've made a partition, use a mkfs tool (such as mke2fs, mkreiserfs, etc.) to put a filesystem on it, and then you can mount it |
| 02:30.53 | ppc_guy | thought I could designate format type within cf? |
| 02:30.56 | maverick | CVirus, are you sure that 'quake.x11' is an executable file? |
| 02:31.06 | ppc_guy | ah,, gottcha.. thx |
| 02:31.06 | Wyzard|TP | ppc_guy: Oh, you mean the partition type flag |
| 02:31.07 | maverick | use khexedit and look at the header |
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| 02:31.22 | Wyzard|TP | ppc_guy: That should just be set to "Linux" (type 83, I believe) |
| 02:31.33 | ke6isf | crashbg: Lemme see if I understand this, you want to use bind9 to assign IP addresses to certain machines behind a NAT wall? |
| 02:31.43 | crashbg | YES |
| 02:31.45 | ppc_guy | tyoe 83, correct..Thanks |
| 02:31.51 | Wyzard|TP | ppc_guy: It doesn't actually have any effect on the contents of the partition -- you could put ext3 in a partition marked NTFS if you wanted to -- but some tools will use it to decide which partitions to hide and which to show |
| 02:32.00 | crashbg | they all have static ips behind the server |
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| 02:32.24 | crashbg | but they are private static ips |
| 02:32.24 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Just create a new zone and put your hosts in it |
| 02:32.34 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: It's no different from the stuff you've already configured |
| 02:32.35 | CVirus | maverick: this is what i'm folloing http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quake-HOWTO.html |
| 02:32.43 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: BIND doesn't care whether an IP is "private" or not |
| 02:32.45 | ke6isf | crashbg: The easiest way is to assign those names to your outside IP, and then using the routing software, route the requests to the individual machines. |
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| 02:33.15 | ke6isf | crashbg: In fact, I think it's the *only* way, since bind doesn't acutally do name-based routing. |
| 02:33.17 | Equinox | I have a damaged debian package.. How can I force a reinstall with apt(or similar)? |
| 02:33.22 | ke6isf | s/acutally/actually |
| 02:33.22 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: If you want to avoid the possibility of people from outside ever seeing those IPs, you can use BIND's "views" feature to tell it to only serve that zone on the internal network |
| 02:33.34 | Wyzard|TP | ke6isf: BIND doesn't do any routing at all |
| 02:33.39 | ppc_guy | thanks, still learning here.. |
| 02:33.40 | crashbg | YES |
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| 02:33.46 | crashbg | i know |
| 02:33.47 | ke6isf | Wyzard: Indeed. |
| 02:33.54 | crashbg | uf |
| 02:33.58 | maverick | I not saying that you're not doing the right thing, I'm saying that you should do: khexedit quake.x11 and tell me the first 16 bytes written there.... |
| 02:36.58 | deepfrze | Equinox: apt-get remove ... apt-get install |
| 02:36.58 | crashbg | Wyzard|TP, i can only configure bind to assign subdomain with ip number |
| 02:36.58 | Equinox | deepfrze- That would uninstall about 500 packages... :) |
| 02:36.58 | crashbg | i cant make notebook.domain.com to be 192.100.0.2 |
| 02:36.58 | Equinox | deepfrze- Unless I can do that in 1 command? |
| 02:36.58 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: ke6isf has a valid point; let's get clear what you're trying to do |
| 02:36.58 | crashbg | because noone from the external network |
| 02:36.58 | crashbg | wont be able to access it |
| 02:36.58 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Are you trying to create names in DNS that can be used by other machines on your LAN? Or names in DNS that people from *outside* can use to get to those hosts? |
| 02:36.58 | plugwash | Equinox apt-get install --reinstall packagename iirc |
| 02:36.58 | crashbg | outside! |
| 02:36.58 | Equinox | Sweet |
| 02:36.58 | deepfrze | Equinox: no, try dpkg reinstall, I don't know the exact format for it though |
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| 02:36.59 | maverick | CVirus, so? |
| 02:36.59 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Ah... well, you can't route connections based on name |
| 02:36.59 | crashbg | thats why i sayd i will need iptables |
| 02:36.59 | crashbg | there has to be a way! |
| 02:36.59 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: You need iptables to do the routing, but if you have two (or more) DNS names pointing at the same public IP address, and someone connects to that IP address, iptables has no way of knowing which of the two names they were trying to connect to |
| 02:36.59 | ke6isf | crashbg: So to clarify, you *do* want these machines to be visible to the world, right? |
| 02:36.59 | pumpitup | how do i launch eterm? |
| 02:36.59 | ke6isf | Wyzard|TP: I think Shorewall can do that part. |
| 02:36.59 | maher | pumpitup: Eterm |
| 02:36.59 | crashbg | ke6isf, yes i DO want to |
| 02:36.59 | CVirus | maverick: can u help me or not with my error ? |
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| 02:37.12 | crashbg | they wont have real ip addresses, bu will have resolvable subdomains |
| 02:37.18 | pumpitup | dear god the capital E lol |
| 02:37.19 | ke6isf | crashbg: OK, it's simple then. Create a CNAME record for each name, point it to your outside IP. Plain and simple. |
| 02:37.20 | Wyzard|TP | ke6isf: No, it can't... shorewall just generates iptables rules, and fundamentaly, the DNS lookup was done by the remote host; the incoming IP packets do not contain a destination hostname, just a destination IP address |
| 02:37.22 | crashbg | or i want to be this way |
| 02:40.05 | maverick | CVirus, yes... but just open quake.x11 with a hexeditor and give me the 16 first bytes in the file |
| 02:40.05 | ke6isf | Wyzard|TP: OK, I sit corrected. =^^= |
| 02:40.05 | Wyzard|TP | ke6isf: CNAME records point to other names -- you mean an A record |
| 02:40.05 | Jymmm | Jsut curious, is the businesscard.iso suppose to be bootable (and maybe network install too)? |
| 02:40.05 | Equinox | Thanks :) |
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| 02:40.05 | crashbg | ke6isf, i cant create CNAME to ip address, i can make CNAME to existing A record |
| 02:40.05 | ke6isf | Wyzard|TP: No, a CNAME. Since as I understand it it's one IP address, a CNAME will work just fine - though an A will work I suppose. |
| 02:40.05 | crashbg | like subdomain A www |
| 02:40.05 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: You can do it with HTTP because HTTP requests (in HTTP 1.1, at least) contain the full URL that was requested, including the name part |
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| 02:40.05 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: That's how name-based virtual hosting works |
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| 02:40.05 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: But in general, there's no way to route IP packets based on domain names |
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| 02:40.06 | crashbg | yes but it will be only on port 80, not all ports |
| 02:40.06 | ke6isf | Wyzard|TP: Everything just bounces off of the router, which deals with the requests accordingly. |
| 02:40.06 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: OK, so you're setting up a webserver |
| 02:40.07 | ke6isf | Waitaminit |
| 02:40.07 | deepfrze | Jymmm: I couldn't get the business card iso to boot, but I downloaded yesterday's net install and it boots from a cdrw |
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| 02:40.07 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: You have mutiple webservers? Or just one server handling multiple domains? |
| 02:40.07 | Jymmm | deepfrze cool, then it's not just me =) thanls |
| 02:40.07 | crashbg | well i want every port to be forwarded from the subdomain to the internal machine |
| 02:40.07 | Jymmm | thanks |
| 02:40.07 | ke6isf | Wyzard|TP: Will apache2 route a request if I plug it into a vhost listing? |
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| 02:40.07 | crashbg | Wyzard, i have only one domain |
| 02:40.08 | crashbg | with subdomains via bind9 |
| 02:40.08 | deepfrze | Jymmm: welcome |
| 02:40.20 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Your statement doesn't make sense. There's no such thing as forwarding a port from a subdomain |
| 02:40.49 | maverick | ke6isf, apache doesn't do any type of routing... |
| 02:40.52 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: You can only forward port 80 to one host, and that host will get all incoming connections on port 80, regardless of what domain name the user is trying to connect to |
| 02:40.54 | crashbg | thats what i wan to do i know its hard to imagine but thats what i was typing so far |
| 02:40.56 | Jymmm | DNS ahs NOTHING to do with ports in any way |
| 02:41.02 | Harley^ | Howdy. Is there a channel specifically for AMD64 Debian with people on it ? |
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| 02:41.18 | Jymmm | Harley^ if you find it, let me know =) |
| 02:41.19 | crashbg | if you point at domain.com:80 yes |
| 02:41.21 | ke6isf | maverick: Didn't think so. |
| 02:41.24 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: If you have other webservers that you want to handle some of the domains, you can use Apache's "ProxyPass" feature to forward the requests to them from your primary webserver |
| 02:41.25 | crashbg | this port can be forwarded |
| 02:41.25 | Harley^ | heh |
| 02:41.30 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: but that part has nothing to do with your DNS |
| 02:41.44 | plugwash | however you can use apache mod-proxy to forward web requests for different subdomains to different internal servers |
| 02:41.58 | crashbg | ok i am searching for the right combination to compete the puzzle :) |
| 02:41.59 | Jymmm | READ MY LIPS... DNS has NOTHING, zip, zero, nada, zilch to do with ports in any way |
| 02:42.16 | ke6isf | Jymmm: I think we got that far. |
| 02:42.19 | crashbg | i know Jymmm oh |
| 02:42.32 | Harley^ | Jymmm, I have errors with gcc compiling off the rack common software and I don't know where to get help as the error suggests I post to bugzilla. |
| 02:43.02 | crashbg | its something like all ports from a subdomain like notebook.domain.com to be forwarded into the local box |
| 02:43.06 | Jymmm | Harley^ I'm no help to you, sorry. |
| 02:43.10 | crashbg | called notebook |
| 02:43.34 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: You CANNOT forward ports differently based on what DNS name (subdomain, etc.) the user tried to connect to |
| 02:43.38 | Harley^ | Jymm - Well, at least you replied ! That's a good start ! :) |
| 02:43.39 | maverick | Harley^, what is your problem? |
| 02:44.03 | crashbg | ok Wyzard|TP, i leave this method aside...is there any other sollution? |
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| 02:44.28 | ke6isf | Somebody suggested mod-proxy; perhaps he needs a proxy server and not a router? |
| 02:44.44 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: What you CAN do is configure your "main" webserver -- the one that receives all requests on port 80 regardless of domain name -- to match requests for that particular subdomain using a virtual host, and proxy them to the webserver for that subdomain |
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| 02:45.30 | crashbg | well i guess i will try this method, first will create CNAMEs like pc1.domain.com CNAME domain.com. and so on |
| 02:45.32 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: That's doing the forwarding with your webserver, not your router, and it works because HTTP 1.1 requests contain the full URL that was requested, so name-based virtual hosting works for them |
| 02:45.40 | crashbg | then will configure apache to use those subdomains |
| 02:45.58 | Harley^ | maverick - Debian Sarge stock install on a new AMD64 with 2 gigs of ram and no special setups. I download Povray3.6.1 source (which has been out for over one year) and do a ./compile --prefix=/usr and get the Makefile created and then do a make and get an error that gcc says I should report to bugzilla |
| 02:45.58 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: Right... create your DNS entries, then create a virtual host on your webserver for each onhe |
| 02:46.14 | Wyzard|TP | crashbg: In the virtual hosts, use ProxyPass to forward the request to another webserver |
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| 02:46.31 | crashbg | yes, in the internal network |
| 02:46.35 | Wyzard|TP | right |
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| 02:46.47 | crashbg | this isnt so bad at all :)) |
| 02:46.52 | maher | Harley^: do what it says then - and/or paste the error in #flood... |
| 02:46.57 | crashbg | thank you all :))))))) |
| 02:47.10 | maverick | crashbg, if you want to do it more easily in order to be able to add others without touching your dns configuration, you can use wildcards and set all the subhost to be pointing to an ip |
| 02:47.11 | Harley^ | mahar the machine is turned off. |
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| 02:47.42 | crashbg | does bind support wildcards? |
| 02:47.44 | maher | Harley^: so you're not going to tell us the error? |
| 02:47.46 | xydarcher | hello, is there a good tool for codeing and debuging C programme in console? look like TurboC? |
| 02:47.53 | Harley^ | But its somewhat disconcerting that gcc gives an error like that on fairly common software |
| 02:47.56 | maverick | Harley^, this is so useless without the gcc error msg... |
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| 02:48.04 | maverick | crashbg, sure |
| 02:48.06 | crashbg | something like pc*.domain.com CNAME domain.com. |
| 02:48.10 | Supaplex | crashbg: yup |
| 02:48.12 | crashbg | is this gonna work? |
| 02:48.13 | maher | Harley^: well - maybe no one ported povray to amd64 |
| 02:48.23 | Harley^ | mahar - Sorry. I'll fetch the error another time |
| 02:48.27 | Supaplex | crashbg: well, *.example.com |
| 02:48.29 | maher | Harley^: that's what you get when you use brand new archs |
| 02:48.31 | maverick | maher, he is hiding the error message... :P |
| 02:48.39 | Harley^ | maher true |
| 02:48.54 | crashbg | Supaplex, i dont like this |
| 02:48.54 | Harley^ | hehe no. I am not hiding the error. |
| 02:51.41 | crashbg | because i have other subdomains |
| 02:51.41 | crashbg | that are assigned to another ip addresses |
| 02:51.41 | Supaplex | owie :-x |
| 02:51.41 | crashbg | maybe my method with pc*.... |
| 02:51.41 | crashbg | i hope it will work with prefix :) |
| 02:51.41 | Supaplex | try it, the worst that'll happen is it not work, right? |
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| 02:51.41 | crashbg | you are great guys, thanks for the help again :) |
| 02:51.41 | maverick | I would not be surprise if bind accept regular expr as the domain name... :P |
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| 02:51.42 | Harley^ | weel, I'll return with the error another time. :) |
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| 02:52.50 | ayah | what is the command to display the output of an input event e.g. to display the co-ordinates of a mouse? |
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| 02:53.58 | Wyzard|TP | hehe... I haven't heard anyone mention povray in ages |
| 02:54.19 | fuag | how would I mount an ntfs partition... I set up etc/fstab but only root can view the partition |
| 02:54.30 | fuag | all users are blocked out |
| 02:54.42 | fuag | tried using chown to change it to a normal acount |
| 02:54.45 | caphuso | fuag: /msg dpkg ro-ntfs |
| 02:54.47 | fuag | er.. the mountpoint |
| 02:54.52 | initech | fuag: by design - the driver is not safe. it's for emergencies |
| 02:54.59 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: man mount; look at the "user", "group", and "umask" mount options |
| 02:55.08 | fuag | only lookin for read support |
| 02:55.08 | Wyzard|TP | initech: not true |
| 02:55.15 | fuag | not crazy enough to try to write to it ;P |
| 02:55.37 | initech | Wyzard|TP: well that's what it says, but then I haven't used it in years |
| 02:55.46 | phorce1 | away |
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| 02:55.51 | Supaplex | there is limited support for write back same size, but it's not quite stable in any regards. |
| 02:55.56 | maher | fuag: users option in fstab |
| 02:56.03 | Wyzard|TP | initech: The old NTFS write support was dangerous, but read-only access has always been safe |
| 02:56.17 | phorce1 | oops |
| 02:56.22 | Wyzard|TP | maher: No, that just means users are allowed to mount it; doesn't affect the (virtual) ownership and permissions once it's mounted |
| 02:56.46 | Supaplex | read the man page, it has allll the options in there. |
| 02:57.08 | Wyzard|TP | NTFS doesn't contain ownership and permission data that's usable to Linux, so the Linux NTFS driver gives the files made-up virtual permissions |
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| 02:57.30 | Wyzard|TP | The default virtual permissions is owned by root and only accessible to root; you can override that default with mount options |
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| 02:57.42 | phorce1 | sigh -- does debian give a hint that possible root passwords are not being accepted when one is trying to 'guess' the password repeatedly (ie. does it let you try 3 times then silently not accept any further attempts for 'x' minutes?) |
| 02:57.42 | ayah | how to display the co-ordinates of a mouse movement knowing that it is input event1? |
| 02:58.06 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: libgpm maybe? |
| 02:58.10 | maher | fuag: Wyzard oops - use uid guid |
| 02:58.16 | phorce1 | I forgot the root password on an unused box and I don't have a monitor hooked to it at the moment for local rescue boot access |
| 02:58.33 | phorce1 | ssh access only even though it's sitting 2 feet from my desk |
| 02:58.39 | initech | man i all of a sudden started getting all this russian spam |
| 02:58.43 | initech | wtf |
| 02:58.53 | ayah | Wyzard|TP, is libgpm a command? |
| 02:58.56 | maher | phorce1: there is a slight delay for failed passwords but its only a few seconds |
| 02:59.00 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: No, it's a library |
| 02:59.05 | plugwash | phorce1 if it hasn't been touched in a while you might be able to hack it |
| 02:59.11 | njs | anyone know what the plan is for migrating c++ libraries to g++ 4.0? |
| 02:59.21 | phorce1 | maher: thanks. This is annoying. |
| 02:59.31 | Wyzard|TP | njs: It's been discussed a bit on debian-devel |
| 02:59.36 | ifup | Can someone help me? I am trying to Configure linux-wlan-ng and I apt getted the source and headers If I ln -s the headers to /usr/src/linux then it complains about the source missing and if I do the other it complains about no headers??? help :) |
| 02:59.43 | ayah | Wyzard|TP, so how to use it for what i want to do? |
| 03:02.25 | plugwash | if you can get any kind of login then iirc there have been quite a few local root exploits around in recent times |
| 03:02.25 | phorce1 | plugwash: I'll probably have to go get a monitor out of the store room |
| 03:02.25 | fuag | maher: tried my fstab line looks like this: "/dev/hda1 /media/winXp ntfs ro,users,noauto 0 0" and it mounts fine but then when i try to look at it through nautalus etc it says "could not enter folder /media/winXp" but if i use console to ls /media/winXp as root it shows the files and foldiers there.. |
| 03:02.25 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: If you're writing a program, link the program to it |
| 03:02.25 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: If you're not writing a program, then I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish |
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| 03:02.25 | njs | Wyzard|TP: nod |
| 03:02.25 | fuag | is there any real reason that you have to use a debian program to compile your kernel instead of the linux standard make? or did they just do that to annoy me ;P |
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| 03:02.26 | Wyzard|TP | njs: I don't think I've seen a specific plan laid out, but I haven't been following it closely |
| 03:02.26 | maher | fuag: try umask=022 |
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| 03:02.26 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: You don't *have* to, but it provides some benefits |
| 03:02.26 | initech | fuag: it's the same thing ... the debian stuff is just a front end to make your life easier |
| 03:02.26 | phorce1 | plugwash: most root exploits gain limited root access without actually discovering the password. I'd have to be able to edit the /etc/passwd file in place to remove the current password (which is the point of a rescue boot) |
| 03:02.26 | njs | fuag: you can use make, you just lose the handy tracking stuff that debian gives you -- easy to install multiple kernels, build patched kernels, 3rd-party modules, etc. |
| 03:02.26 | fuag | grr |
| 03:02.26 | fuag | lol |
| 03:02.26 | ayah | Let me explain. Once i point at my tablet, the cursor goes to the top-of-screen. i suspect the co-ordinates it return is out-of-range. i want to confirm. |
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| 03:02.31 | Wyzard|TP | phorce1: So use an exploit to edit the password file and remove root's password |
| 03:02.35 | fuag | can someone link me to that howto page again then lol >< |
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| 03:02.47 | Wyzard|TP | phorce1: Or just plug in a monitor and boot it with init=/bin/bash |
| 03:02.56 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: In X? |
| 03:03.13 | njs | ayah: you may be using the wrong mouse protocol; I'd check that first. |
| 03:03.14 | ayah | Wyzard|TP, yes, in X. |
| 03:03.16 | phorce1 | fuag: you can do it by hand. make-kpkg still confuses the heck out of me because I "grew up on" slackware and manual makes of every damn thing |
| 03:03.27 | SirCumALot | I did "aptitude dist-upgrade" and then interupted the job in the middle :( I had downloaded all the packages, and dpkg was installing a bunch of stuff. Now I can't start the network when I reboot, because /etc/network wasn't fully upgraded :( HOw can I get dpkg to fix everything? |
| 03:03.29 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: Try xev maybe... position the cursor within the xev window, then do the thing with your tablet, and look at the mouse-movement event that xev reports |
| 03:03.47 | njs | SirCumALot: run 'dpkg --configure -a' as root. |
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| 03:03.56 | SirCumALot | njs thanks |
| 03:03.57 | phorce1 | fuag: But I keep at using it because the tracking is great |
| 03:03.58 | fuag | phorce1: yeah i grew up on gentoo and manual compiles of everything stage 1/3 install w00t |
| 03:04.00 | fuag | lol |
| 03:04.20 | ayah | Wyzard|TP, xev sounds familiar. will try that. |
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| 03:05.40 | phorce1 | Wyzard|TP: I'll end up grabbing a monitor if I don't find the password on one of my business cards soon. Lotsa passwords, all written down, no notes as to which machine they apply to (intentionally). Just hoping it's not on one I tossed as I was rotating passwords. |
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| 03:06.35 | initech | phorce1: you should write them on sticky notes and paste them to your forehead |
| 03:06.37 | phorce1 | Wyzard|TP: I've been at it about an hour now -- probably would have been faster to go get a monitor |
| 03:06.41 | Wyzard|TP | hehe |
| 03:06.44 | Wyzard|TP | probably |
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| 03:08.04 | ke6isf | Is there some way to turn off screen blanking? |
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| 03:08.15 | phorce1 | initech: Tried that -- gave up when the paper trail reached my knees. And I hate writing backwards so I can read them in the mirror. Can't peel them to look because then they don't stick again. |
| 03:08.26 | fuag | phorce1: how do i make it manually? when i try cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && make && make modules_install it goes fine till the make command and says "make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'init/main.o', needed by 'init/built-in.o'. Stop. make: *** [init] Error 2 |
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| 03:08.51 | initech | phorce1: i just carry a mirror around with me |
| 03:09.03 | phorce1 | fuag: sounds like a messed up makefile |
| 03:09.08 | fuag | if I just stick intel8x0 into my /etc/modules will it autoload the alsa modules and asla oss sequencer support etc? |
| 03:09.23 | fuag | phorce1: hmm its a fresh install of sarge... |
| 03:09.33 | initech | man, aalib is the most fucked up thing I've ever seen ... who THOUGHT of this? |
| 03:09.46 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: "intel8x0" is not the name of an ALSA module |
| 03:09.53 | phorce1 | fuag: if you want to build a kernel by hand then download the kernel sources from kernel.org |
| 03:09.57 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: All ALSA drivers have names that begin with "snd-" |
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| 03:10.20 | Jasper | is there anyway to install ftape without compiling it |
| 03:10.30 | fuag | wyzart|TP: sorry, always built in alsa sound never messed with modules.. they scare me and slightly increase boot time ^ ^ |
| 03:10.36 | ifup | Can someone help me? I am trying to Configure linux-wlan-ng and I apt getted the source and headers If I ln -s the headers to /usr/src/linux then it complains about the source missing and if I do the other it complains about no headers??? help :) |
| 03:11.17 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: Modules have a negligible impact on boot time... but if your sound drivers are all compiled in, then you don't need to put anything in /etc/modules for sound to work |
| 03:11.30 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: "intel8x0" is probably the OSS driver, which you don't need |
| 03:11.42 | phorce1 | initech: It's for a Sparc Ultra1. I have a stack of them in my office for various tasks that don't require direct access. Have 2 running and 3 "on standby". Wanted to move a mail list for a group I'm in to the one with the most disk/RAM and I can't get in the darn thing as root. |
| 03:12.24 | initech | phorce1: do those even have floppies? |
| 03:12.35 | fuag | Wyzart|TP: yeah trying to get sound to work, alsaconf doesnt auto detect it correctly but I know for sure that the intel8x0 type is compatable but would preferably use nvidias new nvsound driver but apparently it hasnt hist dpkg yet :/ |
| 03:12.51 | trave11er | phorce1: it should respond on a serial console, if running headless |
| 03:12.59 | phorce1 | initech: nope. Not installed anyway (probably have a few in boxes though) |
| 03:13.07 | fuag | I'd be cool wiht any sound right now though lol |
| 03:13.14 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: I think alsaconf is obsolete... all you should need is the driver module loaded (or compiled in) |
| 03:13.23 | ayah | Wyzard|TP, how to specify the display to use for xev, the manual is of no help. xev -display ? |
| 03:13.42 | Jasper | Does anyone know what software i need to backup files to either a floppy tape drive or a trakker tape drive |
| 03:14.04 | initech | Jasper: umm, tar? |
| 03:14.16 | initech | Jasper: there's some nicer stuff, like amanda |
| 03:14.24 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: Same way the display is specified for any X program, with the DISPLAY variable or the -display command-line option. But if you just run it from a terminal window within your X session, it'll find the display without any extra effort on your part. |
| 03:14.32 | Jasper | i know about that but i need to have the drives detected |
| 03:14.47 | phorce1 | trave11er: I'm in under my user logon through ssh. I'm just fiddling around now trying to figure out what I set the password to since I didn't change it to my standard "offline box" password before taking it off the network. It's going to annoy me for days if I have to reset it without figuring out what it was. |
| 03:14.52 | Jasper | and i cant get ftape installed, because it wont compile |
| 03:15.42 | initech | Jasper: those floppy things are so crummy |
| 03:15.45 | trave11er | phorce1: well, have fun... i was just saying that if you have another machine there with a serial cable, you can hook it up and boot from cdrom without a monitor |
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| 03:16.06 | Jasper | they served me good in the past back in the dos days |
| 03:16.41 | Wyzard|TP | Jasper: My 80MB hard drive served me well "in the past back in the dos days" :-P |
| 03:17.01 | Jasper | tue |
| 03:17.02 | ayah | Wyzard|TP, I tried it from a kconsole and got "Unable to open display ':0'. |
| 03:17.05 | Jasper | true |
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| 03:17.25 | phorce1 | trave11er: Yeah, I should. Probably have the cable out in the server room plugged in to one of the Cisco's too |
| 03:17.25 | rick50 | Hi, I just installed Sarge using kernel 2.6.8 and could use some help with sound... I can't seem to get it to work in KDE |
| 03:17.29 | Wyzard|TP | (Actually, it didn't... it got to a point where I'd have to bang on the top of the computer to get the hard drive to spin up) |
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| 03:17.59 | ayah | Wyzard|TP, must be run from root? |
| 03:18.02 | Jasper | well this is only need to back up small amounts around 100mb, and since i dont want to waste cdr's i would like to get the 250mb and 800mb tape drives to work |
| 03:18.06 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: no |
| 03:18.09 | phorce1 | Wyzard|TP: Ohhh -- you had one of those too! |
| 03:18.20 | fuag | hmm... "#modprobe snd-intel8x0 #alsamixer alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" im confused.. :s |
| 03:18.41 | fuag | hate moduels |
| 03:18.43 | rick50 | proc/asound indicates my audigy is recognized |
| 03:18.45 | fuag | *modules |
| 03:18.55 | Wyzard|TP | phorce1: It was some old 80MB Seagate SCSI drive |
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| 03:19.24 | gnomon | Aside from xvoice, which seems to be based on the non-free (and unavailable) IBM ViaVoice, and xvoice-sphinx, which doesn't seem to exist, are there any options for continuous dictaction on Debian x86? |
| 03:19.28 | rick50 | i set kde to recognize alsa but I can't get sound from my cd player :( |
| 03:19.33 | fuag | i didn't make a configuration file for alsa but the module configuration files arnt kept int /etc/modules.autoload.d/<module name> so im lost again |
| 03:19.36 | gnomon | "dictation", even. |
| 03:20.03 | fuag | rick50: you have to set your cd player to output in alsa, probably default arts or doesnt support it, try xmms |
| 03:20.04 | ayah | Wyzard|TP, Also got : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server. No protocol specified. |
| 03:20.27 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: Are you running it from within your X session? As the same user as the rest of your X session? |
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| 03:21.01 | rick50 | thanks fuag, I'll install xmms and try it |
| 03:21.28 | phorce1 | Wyzard|TP: Mine was a full height 10Meg scsi drive (make unknown). I left the case open and used a jewellers hammer to tap on it as I turned power on -- or if I tried to use it after letting it spin down |
| 03:21.37 | Wyzard|TP | hehe |
| 03:22.02 | ayah | Within an X session, I open a Kconsole and run 'xev'. |
| 03:22.12 | Jasper | i used to have some old 20meg bernoulli scsi disk drive |
| 03:22.41 | gnomon | Has anyone here used any version of Sphinx for continuous-speech dictation? |
| 03:23.03 | Wyzard|TP | phorce1: That computer of mine (a 16MHz 386) also had a frayed VGA cable that lost its red signal sometimes... after banging on the computer to get the drive to spin up, I'd have to reach behind the monitor and push the VGA connector sideways to get it to make full contact, else the video card would think it was a monochrome monitor and boot in monochrome mode |
| 03:24.04 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: I dunno what's going wrong there, because there's nothing special about opening xev |
| 03:24.22 | Wyzard|TP | ayah: It connects to the X display in the same way that the Konsole and all your other X apps do |
| 03:24.24 | fuag | >< damnit if i can set up sound in gentoo, slackware, mepis, suse i should be able to use the same steps to set it up in debian but all the stuff is in a different places wtf is up? |
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| 03:24.36 | fuag | *flame* |
| 03:24.45 | fuag | *blowtorch* |
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| 03:25.04 | ayah | Wyzard|TP, i'll right to figure things out myself. thanks. |
| 03:25.33 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: I don't understand why you're fussing with loading modules when you have your sound drivers compiled into your kernel |
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| 03:27.39 | fuag | Wyzard|TP: I cant get my sound drivers compiled into the kernel... it wont make :'( |
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| 03:28.18 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: OK, so they're modules... maybe the intel8x0 driver doesn't work as well with the nforce as you think? |
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| 03:28.39 | Jasper | ok i think i know why i couldnt compile ftape, i was missing the kernel package |
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| 03:29.03 | initech | fuag: your sound drivers weren't in the default kernel/ |
| 03:29.06 | initech | ? |
| 03:29.36 | fuag | no |
| 03:29.46 | fuag | im using an nforce2 on board chipset |
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| 03:30.00 | fuag | they have had no drivers untill just recently that nvidia has put out a kernel module for them |
| 03:30.12 | Gnea | fuag: every distro is different so each has its own set of steps |
| 03:30.20 | fuag | up till then you had to use a intel8x0 driver and deal with no hardware mixing |
| 03:30.31 | Radius_Vector | Sound server informational message: |
| 03:30.31 | Radius_Vector | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 03:30.31 | Radius_Vector | Can't set playback format (_format = -1, asked driver to give 16, got 8) |
| 03:30.31 | Radius_Vector | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
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| 03:30.36 | Gnea | fuag: i have an nforce2 and the onboard sound works just fine |
| 03:30.41 | fuag | the nvsound.ko has hardware mixing support but it converts everything to oss, they say next version will have alsa support |
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| 03:30.49 | fuag | gnea: what did you do to set it up? |
| 03:31.01 | initech | fuag: that sounds like a mess |
| 03:31.07 | Gnea | 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce Audio Processing Unit (rev a2) |
| 03:31.07 | Gnea | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) |
| 03:31.14 | Gnea | fuag: is that what you have? |
| 03:31.20 | Gnea | initech: 'regular'? |
| 03:31.21 | fuag | Gnea: yeah |
| 03:31.25 | Radius_Vector | Im getting this sound error whenever I startup KDE : Can't set playback format (_format = -1, asked driver to give 16, got 8) :( |
| 03:31.37 | Gnea | fuag: that's not nvsound, that's an intel chipset |
| 03:31.39 | initech | Gnea: sblive, yes, "regular" |
| 03:31.45 | Radius_Vector | Im able to play sounds from XMMS but the sounds are choppy and distorted |
| 03:32.02 | Gnea | initech: i find that statement irregular. |
| 03:32.04 | fuag | Gnea: yeah, debian doesnt have nvsound in thier package management system yet so I was hoping to use the old intel driver |
| 03:32.26 | Gnea | fuag: nvsound is just some silly wrapper, try snd_intel8x0 |
| 03:32.33 | Gnea | fuag: you *are* using alsa, right? |
| 03:32.40 | fuag | Gnea: yeah |
| 03:32.43 | Gnea | ok |
| 03:32.46 | Gnea | yeah, try that one |
| 03:32.47 | initech | Gnea: the point would be it's been out for some time, the company that makes it supports linux, and the driver has worked for ages, perfectly |
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| 03:32.57 | Wyzard|TP | Gnea: modprobe is saying "no such device" when he tries to load snd-intel8x0, I believe |
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| 03:33.27 | Gnea | initech: well this particular onboard audio device is regular then. |
| 03:33.34 | fuag | Gnea: I've try using snd_intel8x0 but whenever i try to mess with sound it says there is no snd/dsp or snd/mixer or if i try alsamixer to go to unmute my changes function snd_ctl_open fails saying that there is no default and alsaconf says that it doesnt recognize my soundcard... |
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| 03:33.49 | Gnea | fuag: did you try alsaconf? |
| 03:33.59 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer are OSS, not ALSA |
| 03:34.15 | Gnea | Wyzard|TP: but alsa has a compatability layer |
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| 03:34.28 | Gnea | and it works |
| 03:34.31 | fuag | Gnea: second part of response talks about alsaconf |
| 03:34.50 | fuag | Wyzard|TP: yeah but shouldnt alsa by handling it... supposed to be backwards compatable |
| 03:34.53 | Gnea | oh yah |
| 03:34.57 | fuag | * be |
| 03:35.04 | Wyzard|TP | Gnea: I know, but here we're trying to get the driver itself working, and I'm not 100% sure fuag is actually loading an ALSA driver module... he was trying to load "intel8x0" earlier, which sounds like an OSS module |
| 03:35.44 | fuag | Wyzard|TP lol, let my go into menuconfig and read what ones i normally select... brb |
| 03:35.47 | Wyzard|TP | fuag: Maybe you already have the OSS driver loaded, and that's prevending the ALSA module from loading, for example |
| 03:35.51 | Gnea | fuag: ok if you do a lspci -v and then search for those devices, what Subsystem: do they have? |
| 03:36.30 | Gnea | lsmod | grep 8x0 |
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| 03:36.36 | Radius_Vector | How do I setup the OSS/Free sound modules? |
| 03:36.47 | fuag | nvidia and abit corp mostly unkown device XXXX |
| 03:36.51 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Don't; OSS is deprecated |
| 03:36.53 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Use ALSA |
| 03:37.01 | Gnea | Radius_Vector: there's documentation for that at http://www.tldp.org |
| 03:37.13 | fuag | lsmod | grep 8x0 comes up with nothing |
| 03:37.18 | Gnea | good. |
| 03:37.28 | Gnea | fuag: what's your subsystems? |
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| 03:37.45 | rick50 | tried xmms with a cd and still no go. no sound in kde |
| 03:37.46 | Radius_Vector | My card is an ISA card, doesnt get detected by ALSA, I have a HP Omnibok 4150 |
| 03:38.03 | Gnea | rick50: are you in the audio group? |
| 03:38.14 | fuag | nvidia Coorperation unkown device and some abit coorperation unkown device's |
| 03:38.20 | fuag | but i know its runing nforce integrated sound |
| 03:38.28 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: There's no such thing as hardware detection for ISA -- you have to pass some options (usually I/O base, IRQ, and DMA) to the driver |
| 03:38.31 | Gnea | ok that's good but |
| 03:38.36 | Gnea | what are the device numbers? |
| 03:38.37 | fuag | used the intel8x0 alsa module before multiple times |
| 03:38.40 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: That's true of both OSS and ALSA drivers |
| 03:38.41 | fuag | lol |
| 03:38.43 | fuag | there are tons |
| 03:38.44 | fuag | brb |
| 03:38.48 | Gnea | look |
| 03:38.51 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.54 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.55 | rick50 | Gnea: yes |
| 03:38.56 | Gnea | like that |
| 03:39.11 | Gnea | c'mon, anyone that's used multiple distros should know this :P |
| 03:39.38 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: I did modprobe sb, and Im atleast able to play sounds, but the sound keeps repeating itself and the track doesnt play beyond 1 second |
| 03:39.45 | Gnea | rick50: tried turning up the volume? plugging in speakers? making sure it's unmuted? how about making sure that xmms is using hw:0,0? |
| 03:39.56 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Well, that's an OSS module, so congratulations, you're using OSS :-) |
| 03:40.20 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Sound that starts to play and then repeats like that is a symptom of a wrong IRQ setting, IIRC |
| 03:40.34 | Gnea | Radius_Vector: then you need to search google for the linux laptop howto(s) for your laptop |
| 03:40.39 | fuag | no such sub systems |
| 03:40.41 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: Aah I see, hmmm Im just reading that ^^ |
| 03:40.46 | Gnea | fuag: that's BS |
| 03:41.06 | Gnea | every sound device has a subsystem |
| 03:41.16 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: IRQ is how the sound card notifies the driver that it's time to put more sound in the buffer :-) |
| 03:41.22 | fuag | Gnea: well ok I'll list the number id's |
| 03:41.23 | rick50 | Gnea: using alsamixergui, all settings up, speakers plugged in, every slider unmuted what is setting hw:0,0? |
| 03:41.29 | Gnea | fuag: good |
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| 03:42.24 | Gnea | rick50: that's the identifier for the soundcard that alsa assigns to the first (and only) sound device on the system - if you had a second soundcard, you'd have hw:0,0 and hw:0,1 for instance |
| 03:42.47 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: Alsa doesnt even detect my card :-( the guy who wrote the documentation says ALSA detected his card but there was no sound |
| 03:43.09 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Even when you specify the same I/O, IRQ, and DMA settings? |
| 03:43.10 | fuag | 1c08, 194e, 1c08, 3119, 194e, 1c08, 1c08, 1c08, 0c17 |
| 03:43.27 | fuag | so 1c08 and 0c17 mostly |
| 03:43.28 | rick50 | Gnea: where is hw set in xmms? |
| 03:43.29 | Gnea | fuag: what, did you just lspci -v | grep Subsystem? |
| 03:43.51 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: Can you please help me with that? finding IRQ etc and putting them in? |
| 03:43.53 | fuag | sigh |
| 03:43.54 | fuag | ok |
| 03:44.05 | fuag | lots of 1c08's lots of 0c17's and one 194e |
| 03:44.11 | Gnea | rick50: options->preferences->output plugin->alsa->configure->Audio device |
| 03:44.18 | fuag | 1c08's are teh abit ones 0c17's are the nvidia ones |
| 03:44.24 | fuag | 194e is chaintech |
| 03:44.27 | Gnea | hrm |
| 03:44.44 | Gnea | mine's a 0x11 with an 8095 ac97 |
| 03:44.44 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: Here is the link : http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2002/09/19/linuxlaptop.html |
| 03:44.50 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: I can't help you with finding the right IRQ; that's specific to your soundcard, and on most ISA soundcards it's configured by jumpers on the card, but in a laptop there probably aren't any jumpers you can get to |
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| 03:45.01 | fuag | rick50: sometimes you have to edit the sound system config in kde to let the sound device go if arts is idle for more than 1 swecond, if you set it to let it go if arts is idle for 0 seconds it never lets go for some reason |
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| 03:45.17 | fuag | *second |
| 03:45.17 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: It might be an ISA PnP card; in that case, the "isapnptools" package might help you find the right settings |
| 03:45.34 | fuag | hmm well the kernel options i usually compile in |
| 03:45.45 | Gnea | that's probably the problem |
| 03:45.48 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: The link above gives all the settings, but how do I go about putting them in? |
| 03:45.51 | Gnea | sound should be modular |
| 03:46.21 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Put them on the modprobe command line, for example: modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 |
| 03:46.38 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: "modinfo sb" will tell you what options the module understands |
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| 03:47.20 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Once you get the settings right, you can put them in a config file so they'll be applied automatically in the future |
| 03:47.23 | rick50 | Gnea: set hw, still no sound |
| 03:47.29 | fuag | ---> device drivers ---> ... ---> alsa ----> Sound card support ---> Alsa, sequencer, oss mixer api, oss pcm api, oss sequencer api, PCI devices ---> Intel i8x0/MX440, SiS 7012; Ali 5455; NForce Audio; AMD768/8111 |
| 03:47.35 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: The sound plays, but still keeps repeating :( even after io and irq and dma |
| 03:47.46 | fuag | then I edit alsa.conf according to the alsa website for nforce chipsets and reboot and everything usually workx |
| 03:47.46 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Then IRQ is still wrong |
| 03:48.11 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Common values are 3, 5, and 7, but any value between 0 and 15, excluding 8 (I think), is possible |
| 03:48.24 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: Well is there a console command to find IRQ? |
| 03:48.27 | Gnea | fuag: that's just begging for trouble - compile as modules then you can load/unload at ease and test without rebooting the wintendo way |
| 03:48.52 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: If it's an ISA PnP card, you might be able to find it using one of the tools in the "isapnptools" package |
| 03:49.01 | fuag | but i've had this down for years that is the right module it does work correctly.. on like every other time I've tried it... |
| 03:49.07 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: If it's not a PnP card, there's no way to determine it from software |
| 03:49.13 | fuag | man, ima go get something to drink and cool off for a bit |
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| 03:49.19 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:49.20 | Gnea | good idea |
| 03:49.26 | fuag | lol |
| 03:49.27 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: Hmm, I dont think its an ISA PnP but I can determine the IRQ and etc from BIOS, but that calls for rebooting like wintendo lol :( |
| 03:49.28 | fuag | !beer |
| 03:49.28 | dpkg | i guess beer is liquid gold mate |
| 03:49.30 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Usually sound cards would have physical jumpers pins on them for configuring those things |
| 03:49.34 | rick50 | fuag: set it for 1 sec, still no go. this has got to be a stupid error on my part somewhere |
| 03:49.35 | Gnea | !beer fuag |
| 03:49.39 | Learn | Hey btw, I just want to say that XOrg 6.9 RC fixed my mouse problems ! |
| 03:49.42 | fuag | thnx ;P |
| 03:50.34 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: So After I find out the IRQ etc, what command do I give? |
| 03:50.49 | phorce1 | ewww, this box has xmail on it (xmail the MTA). I played with that for like 10 minutes and decided I didn't like the author's policy of writing an MTA the way HE thought it should be while ignoring RFCs |
| 03:50.53 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Put it in the "irq=" option when you load the module |
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| 03:51.19 | Learn | Is it just me or does Xorg render fonts better then Xfree -- or is it just a placebo effect ? |
| 03:51.21 | ppc_guy | quetion: How do I purge cach files? Such as in /var? |
| 03:51.27 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: Thanks, will try. Meanwhile trying what the documentation asks me to do |
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| 03:52.34 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: From that page you linked me to, it looks to me like the Omnibook 4150 has an AD1848 soundcard, not an SB |
| 03:52.38 | aFlag | how do i mount a virtual cdrom, or something like that? |
| 03:53.13 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: It shows an example of loading the "ad1848" driver with the options "io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0" |
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| 03:53.29 | Wyzard|TP | aFlag: If you mean mounting an iso file without burning it to a CD, use "-o loop" when mounting |
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| 03:53.49 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: Yeah Page 2 seems to be more relevant because I have kernel 2.4, Im trying to add those lines to my modules.conf |
| 03:53.52 | Wyzard|TP | Learn: Placebo effect |
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| 03:53.58 | phorce1 | aFlag: and probably "-t iso9660" too |
| 03:54.00 | aFlag | while mounting with mount? |
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| 03:54.20 | phorce1 | aFlag: yes |
| 03:55.07 | aFlag | hum... i'm not finding it on the manpages |
| 03:55.14 | aFlag | oh, found it, nevermind |
| 03:56.08 | rick50 | does anyone else have any suggestions before I pull out the remaining hair on my head? |
| 03:56.29 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: Ah... but that shows using the snd-cs4232 driver |
| 03:57.07 | phorce1 | aFlag: The neatest thing I find about linux and CDs is the ability to crete an ISO from the command line with a single command -- no loading complicated programs or fiddling with clicky windows |
| 03:57.23 | phorce1 | s/crete/create |
| 03:57.30 | aFlag | hum.. how is that? |
| 03:57.49 | Wyzard|TP | phorce1: I'm sure mkisofs can be used in Windows too :-) |
| 03:58.02 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2004-May/012547.html This seems interesting |
| 03:58.03 | phorce1 | aFlag: 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=filename.iso' |
| 03:58.13 | aFlag | cool |
| 03:58.23 | aFlag | i didn't realise that would work |
| 03:58.24 | phorce1 | Wyzard|TP: I meant copying a CD == missed saying that |
| 03:58.32 | Wyzard|TP | phorce1: ah, ok |
| 03:58.36 | Wyzard|TP | Radius_Vector: cool |
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| 03:59.07 | phorce1 | aFlag: 'dd' is just neat -- period |
| 03:59.52 | brill | change/#debian/ve |
| 04:00.02 | aFlag | nice |
| 04:00.11 | pengo | neat until you have an error copying |
| 04:00.30 | brill | man i how go to debian in espanol please tell me |
| 04:00.36 | aFlag | why would you have an error copying? |
| 04:00.44 | pengo | aFlag, because it's a CD. |
| 04:00.48 | Wyzard|TP | pengo: That tends to happen with discs burned in TAO mode, because the last sector is unreadable... should be harmless, but to be safe, I use "cdrdao read-cd --tao-source" |
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| 04:01.27 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard|TP: My /etc/modprobe.d doesnt have anything like sound on it, huh??? |
| 04:01.29 | phorce1 | aFlag: used it the same way to create an image of a 4G laptop HD that was dying. Replaced it with another 4G drive and copied the image right back. Winblows didn't even know the difference. |
| 04:01.30 | rick50 | thanks for the suggestions. i'll go off on my own and see if i can find out what's wrong |
| 04:01.32 | mwilson | OK, I need to buy one more switch... |
| 04:01.37 | mwilson | (I hate eBay) |
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| 04:02.02 | pengo | Wyzard|TP, so dd isn't the magic tool then. Although I meant an error because of a scratch on the CD, in which case you have to do some more command line magic to get it retry |
| 04:02.28 | Wyzard|TP | pengo: "readcd" (from the cdrecord package) is better than dd too |
| 04:02.30 | pengo | in which case you start to wish you used a program made for copying cds |
| 04:02.41 | Wyzard|TP | pengo: You can use it to do surface scans of CDs |
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| 04:05.20 | Jasper | ah compiling the kernel aint it so fun! |
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| 04:05.41 | pengo | Jasper, they lied to you. |
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| 04:07.59 | fuag | whoa fireworks are starting |
| 04:08.02 | fuag | be back later |
| 04:08.02 | Jasper | i know they did, i forgot how long it took, i really havent compiled a kernel since moding my freesco router to accept syn packets |
| 04:08.02 | fuag | peace |
| 04:08.07 | Jasper | apt-get moo |
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| 04:08.32 | Jasper | already seen fireworks saturday at mdisons rythem and booms |
| 04:08.47 | Jasper | and its on tv right now too |
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| 04:09.40 | daedalus_ | Always a good show |
| 04:09.43 | daedalus_ | Caught it last year |
| 04:09.55 | Jasper | in madison wisconsin |
| 04:09.59 | daedalus_ | Yep |
| 04:10.12 | Jasper | i was there last year it was a better show |
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| 04:10.28 | Jasper | this year was a live orchistra playing |
| 04:10.29 | daedalus_ | Well, good. Glad to hear that I didn't miss out ;) |
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| 04:10.43 | Jasper | and it wasnt as in tune |
| 04:10.50 | daedalus_ | Hrmm.... That's unfortunate |
| 04:10.51 | Jasper | plus traffic was worse |
| 04:11.03 | daedalus_ | Heh. Go out on the marina, and traffic isn't a problem ;) |
| 04:11.03 | odine | root |
| 04:11.06 | Jasper | nearly got rear ended comming onto 30 |
| 04:11.13 | daedalus_ | Ouch |
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| 04:11.59 | Jasper | all i heard was tires squealling behind me after i had to slow down quick because of the person in front of me |
| 04:12.00 | aFlag | what happened? Why are there fireworks? Did some team win something? |
| 04:12.13 | Jasper | scared my mom and my gf half to death |
| 04:12.52 | Jasper | if you dont know that your not american lol |
| 04:12.55 | daedalus_ | Heh. Good thing there wasn't a real collision. |
| 04:13.01 | Jasper | yeah |
| 04:13.09 | MobyTurbo | aFlag: the 4th of July is Independence Day in the US |
| 04:13.12 | daedalus_ | aFlag: Um, google for independence day america |
| 04:13.14 | aFlag | oh |
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| 04:13.30 | Jasper | we got to our car around 10:30 didnt leave till midnight from traffic |
| 04:13.37 | daedalus_ | jasper: ! |
| 04:13.54 | aFlag | i used to remember it because of that independece day movie that was called id4 :P |
| 04:13.58 | daedalus_ | Where were you watching from? Campus? |
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| 04:14.24 | Jasper | right in warner park by the little pont accross from the fireworks were shooting |
| 04:14.48 | Jasper | we parked in sherman plaza |
| 04:15.12 | daedalus_ | Ah. Right in close then. I try to keep quite a distance away. Like, the other side of the lake. Less traffic |
| 04:15.14 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:15.17 | kelv | hey guys, one question: let's say I built my own package of something (icecast), and I don't want apt-get upgrade to upgrade it, but it keeps trying to upgrade it... what can I do? |
| 04:15.18 | Gnea | sanctioned fireworks |
| 04:15.19 | Gnea | i remember those |
| 04:15.29 | mdh | kelv: put it on hold |
| 04:15.31 | initech | kelv: hold it |
| 04:15.38 | Jasper | ill remember that next year |
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| 04:15.45 | kelv | thx guys :) |
| 04:15.53 | cat | hey my os is debian ,i am using kde there is a messege when i login :there was an error setting inter-process communicattions for KDE |
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| 04:16.18 | Gnea | cat: how long has it been installed? |
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| 04:16.37 | cat | Gnea: about a week |
| 04:16.39 | Jasper | i live in jefferson wi this was the third year we went, since our fireworks suck |
| 04:17.02 | Gnea | jefferson? |
| 04:17.04 | Gnea | dude |
| 04:17.08 | Gnea | isn't that in dodge county? |
| 04:17.12 | Gnea | or dane? |
| 04:17.15 | Jasper | jefferson county |
| 04:17.19 | Gnea | oh |
| 04:17.19 | Jasper | by dane and dodge |
| 04:17.23 | Gnea | i'm in rock county |
| 04:17.29 | cat | Gnea: |
| 04:17.41 | Jasper | south of watertown inbetween madison and milwaukeee |
| 04:17.43 | cat | where have you gone |
| 04:17.46 | Gnea | cat: how long has it been doing that? since just now? |
| 04:18.12 | Jasper | i used to goto college in madison at herzing but it got too expensive |
| 04:18.14 | cat | Gnea: no ,every time i login there is the messege |
| 04:18.29 | Gnea | Jasper: cool, i don't know many people around here, and those that i do know have to work in the morning... it's very boring so i had to set off my own fireworks... in janesville |
| 04:18.42 | Gnea | ha |
| 04:18.50 | Gnea | cat: since all week? |
| 04:19.17 | Jasper | i have a few freinds in janesville, one freind works at a car repair shop, another is sorta a looser who thinks he can race |
| 04:19.29 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:19.31 | cat | Gnea: since i installed debian and kde |
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| 04:19.39 | Gnea | i drive a shitmobile, can' |
| 04:19.44 | Gnea | can't race it for shit |
| 04:19.55 | Jasper | i had somefun there when i race my moms plymouth aclaim against a few hondas |
| 04:19.57 | Gnea | cat: you probably missed a component then - have you tried another wm? |
| 04:20.12 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 04:20.14 | Jasper | and my old silver dodge spirit |
| 04:20.20 | Gnea | cool |
| 04:20.24 | Jasper | 90% hondas lost |
| 04:20.30 | Gnea | yeah |
| 04:20.36 | Gnea | they're all tricked out but no real horsepower |
| 04:20.41 | Jasper | only really god beat by a white nissan |
| 04:20.42 | Gnea | my old mx6 could beat 'em |
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| 04:20.50 | Gnea | hrm |
| 04:20.52 | Jasper | but it was a good race |
| 04:20.52 | cat | Gnea: this is a kde problem i think ,i dodn't have anyother wm |
| 04:20.53 | Gnea | probably a pulsar |
| 04:20.57 | Gnea | yeah :) |
| 04:21.20 | Jasper | then a cop follwed him and ignored my moms maroon granny car plymoutbh acclaim |
| 04:21.53 | brrrt | hello all :) |
| 04:22.02 | Jasper | i mainly went to janesville to take my ex gf to kryptonite collectables |
| 04:22.12 | Gnea | cat: is that sarge/etch/sid? |
| 04:22.12 | Jasper | for magic and hero clicks |
| 04:22.18 | brrrt | i need some help setting up suexec for apache in sarge |
| 04:22.28 | Gnea | ah |
| 04:22.31 | cat | Gnea: testing :p |
| 04:22.41 | brrrt | please if some could assist or point me to a howto please |
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| 04:22.57 | Jasper | god this compiles taking a while |
| 04:23.16 | brrrt | it worked on woody but now ... |
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| 04:23.46 | Gnea | brrrt: what broke? |
| 04:23.47 | orlon_ | brrrt: is this apache1 or apache2? |
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| 04:23.56 | brrrt | its apache 1 |
| 04:24.03 | Gnea | Jasper: yeah this area really sucks, i'm moving outta here soon |
| 04:24.06 | cat | Gnea: some more info. :could not read network connection list /tmp/*******(some num.)/.DCOPserver_hostname_0 |
| 04:24.18 | brrrt | and suexec does not work anymore |
| 04:24.27 | Jasper | dont come here it sucks more LOL |
| 04:24.27 | Gnea | Jasper: buncha backstabbers - one of 'em wants to be a cop too |
| 04:24.32 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:24.34 | brrrt | e.g. User ... in vhost |
| 04:24.37 | Gnea | no worries |
| 04:24.58 | Gnea | i'm moving to where it's legal to walk into a fast food restaurant with a gun visibly shown |
| 04:25.00 | orlon_ | brrrt: so you're getting an error message? |
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| 04:25.20 | brrrt | error403: User directive in <VirtualHost> requires SUEXEC wrapper |
| 04:25.23 | skaught | Gnea: Texas? |
| 04:25.48 | Gnea | skaught: hell no |
| 04:25.51 | Gnea | i have class |
| 04:25.55 | Gnea | arizona :P |
| 04:26.05 | orlon_ | brrrt: hmm, sounds like suExec is disabled |
| 04:26.08 | cat | Gnea: you donnt know whats the reason ? |
| 04:26.15 | orlon_ | brrrt: try "dpkg-reconfigure -plow apache" |
| 04:26.30 | Gnea | cat: not from that error message |
| 04:26.34 | orlon_ | brrrt: it's either apache or apache-common that has a debconf question about enabling suExec |
| 04:26.45 | brrrt | ah thx :) |
| 04:26.46 | Gnea | cat: google didn't find it? |
| 04:27.07 | cat | google can't help |
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| 04:28.04 | Jasper | darn kitten keeps trying to type for me |
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| 04:29.47 | aigarius | I have many programs hangin on me in Debian sid. If I strace them, then I always get this: "connect(32, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16". It take several minutes to timeout. It only began yesterday or so. |
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| 04:30.19 | orlon_ | aigarius: is the loopback interface up? what does "ifconfig lo" show? |
| 04:30.34 | Jasper | he he he now my other system has joined this chanel |
| 04:30.43 | aigarius | orlon_, yep, lo is up and running |
| 04:30.49 | brrrt | orlon_: thanx alot ! it really saved my day.... :) |
| 04:30.50 | mdh | aigarius: is your DNS horked? |
| 04:30.56 | orlon_ | brrrt: np |
| 04:31.05 | trave11er | aigarius: port 111 is portmap, do you have it running? |
| 04:31.30 | Jasper | to bad i only have a root account on the other computer |
| 04:31.45 | aigarius | mdh: resolv.conf looks normal and all DNS names resolv correctly |
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| 04:32.18 | aigarius | trave11er, no - portmap is not running |
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| 04:33.22 | aigarius | I got some more strace output from my firefox, which is currently hanging |
| 04:33.29 | aigarius | see in #flood |
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| 04:33.58 | Jasper | dang this compile is taking a long time |
| 04:34.46 | concept10 | Could someone help me direct dyndns to my server behind a firewall? |
| 04:35.31 | daedalus_ | concept10: 1) FIgure out what your firewall is |
| 04:35.49 | daedalus_ | concept10: 2) google for information about port redirects for your firewall |
| 04:35.57 | concept10 | daedalus_, I know about the firewall |
| 04:36.10 | daedalus_ | concept10: 3) Redirect port 80 to your local machine |
| 04:36.10 | mfrisch | concept10 nmap your system I forget what port to open. If you mean your ISP's good luck |
| 04:36.34 | concept10 | so redirect dyndns to port 80 |
| 04:36.38 | daedalus_ | Uh |
| 04:36.42 | daedalus_ | Oh, I see |
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| 04:37.33 | concept10 | daedalus_, you understand what im talking about |
| 04:37.44 | daedalus_ | concept10: Disregard what I told you. I thought you were talking about something else |
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| 04:39.07 | aigarius | I think I found the problem in the strace output |
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| 04:39.49 | aigarius | the program tries to open a socket with a source port<1024 - this fails, but the return is not checked |
| 04:40.21 | nite613 | concept10: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:40.26 | aigarius | and then it timeouts on the connect() call |
| 04:40.55 | nite613 | daedalus thought you were trying to use a DynDNS name to reach a service behindyour firewall. I did too. In that case his instructions are correct |
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| 04:41.19 | concept10 | nite613, okay, I want to use dyndns.org to connect to a website on a server behind my firewall |
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| 04:41.39 | concept10 | nite613, you guys are right |
| 04:41.56 | nite613 | So like daedalus said, you have to forward a port on your firewall (80 for http) into the other machine |
| 04:42.09 | nite613 | And then set your dyndns record to point to the public IP on your firewall |
| 04:42.11 | concept10 | nite613, thats the basic idea, I just dont know what to specify as incoming IP address, I know how to specify the port |
| 04:42.28 | nite613 | concept10: This is not a debian question |
| 04:42.43 | daedalus_ | dyndns client setup info for debian can be found here: http://www.jbisbee.com/linux/dyndns/ |
| 04:42.59 | nite613 | if you need support with your firewall I would be happy to help you for my regular consulting fee ;) |
| 04:43.00 | concept10 | nite613, dont do that |
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| 04:43.49 | concept10 | daedalus_, thanks a WHOLE bunch for the link! |
| 04:43.59 | daedalus_ | concept10: No problem |
| 04:44.18 | daedalus_ | Try google next time :) |
| 04:44.50 | nite613 | that link still isn't going to help with the port forwarding, but the dyndns client part is likely important to him too :) |
| 04:44.56 | daedalus_ | *nods* |
| 04:45.08 | daedalus_ | Seems that's what the sticking point was |
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| 04:45.12 | concept10 | I will figure it out |
| 04:45.57 | nite613 | I'm sure you will, it's just a matter of diddling with the firewall config. Provided you actually know what an IP is and what a port is you should be able to get through it |
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| 04:50.07 | Ich | what is a command i can use to cause the terminal to pause for a few seconds in a shell script? |
| 04:50.24 | mdh | Ich: sleep |
| 04:50.47 | caphuso | Ich: what exactly does a "pause" mean for a terminal? |
| 04:51.28 | Ich | caphuso: never mind :) |
| 04:51.32 | Ich | mdh: thanks |
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| 04:51.40 | mdh | np |
| 04:52.05 | caphuso | sleep doesn't affect the terminal |
| 04:52.23 | jair | guys normally when I am doing a woody installation throught the ftp or http I have to point the media to network and http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/ |
| 04:52.31 | jair | or should be the binary? |
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| 04:52.43 | jair | or where to get the installation base from the ftp |
| 04:52.44 | JRlinux | Help, I thought I had saved the URL for the 100 MB online file for Sarge, but cannot find it. Anyone have it for me? |
| 04:52.58 | jair | I mean using the apt-get later to download the packages I need? |
| 04:53.07 | jair | if will be woody |
| 04:53.40 | daedalus_ | !tell JRlinux about netinst |
| 04:53.44 | Schiz0 | JRlinux- are you talking about the NetInst? |
| 04:53.45 | Schiz0 | yeah. |
| 04:53.48 | jair | it have to pint to=http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/ |
| 04:53.51 | Nurbs | JRlinux: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ probably ... |
| 04:54.36 | jair | guys but the thing is that I have to install woody because of the hardware it is too old. |
| 04:55.04 | jair | I have this old computer that I want to transform in at least an apache or mysql or postfix. |
| 04:55.13 | jair | but only for testing and practice |
| 04:55.49 | daedalus_ | jair: Ok, so have you tried to install woody and failed? Or is this hypothetical? |
| 04:56.07 | Jasper | yes done |
| 04:56.32 | jair | daedalus_, no I will be installing woody |
| 04:56.54 | JRlinux | thanks nurbs, everyone. |
| 04:56.54 | jair | daedalus_, but i just want to make sure where I will point the system to get the base install |
| 04:57.01 | jair | daedalus_, using woody |
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| 04:57.27 | jair | daedalus_, this is a very old machine and that is de reason why I want to do a netinst but using woody. |
| 04:57.43 | daedalus_ | jair: So use the woody netinstaller... |
| 04:58.11 | daedalus_ | jair: it should have a reasonably complete list of woody mirrors. |
| 04:59.14 | jair | daedalus_, the woody netinstaller? |
| 04:59.22 | daedalus_ | !tell jair about netinst |
| 04:59.28 | jair | daedalus_, please don't tell me that exist one |
| 04:59.35 | jair | daedalus_, I am downloading the floppies |
| 04:59.52 | daedalus_ | Yep. dpkg has the link for you. |
| 04:59.58 | jair | daedalus_, because the machine I have do not boot from usb, or cds, or dvds... |
| 05:00.17 | daedalus_ | You should be able to boot from netinst floppies. |
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| 05:00.45 | jair | hmmm |
| 05:01.11 | jair | daedalus_, the netinst floppies of sarge are the root.bin and the 1,2,3,4 bind drivers |
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| 05:03.12 | daedalus_ | jair: THere are floppies for woody too |
| 05:03.16 | daedalus_ | jair: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05-21/images-1.44/ |
| 05:04.04 | aFlag | when i mount a iso file how do i make gnome or totem think the cdrom unit was mounted? How programs distinguish between a mounted cdrom and something else? |
| 05:04.09 | daedalus_ | jair: Though those seem to be the same thing |
| 05:04.18 | jair | yes |
| 05:04.23 | daedalus_ | jair: So I guess it doesn't matter |
| 05:04.24 | jair | I think I hope though |
| 05:04.28 | jair | ohhh ok |
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| 05:04.59 | skaught | aFlag: That depends, why would you want to play a CDROM that's mounted? |
| 05:05.06 | jair | daedalus_, yes those are the ones I am downloading |
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| 05:05.27 | aFlag | hum... how do i play a iso file then? |
| 05:05.37 | skaught | aFlag: What the heck is in it? |
| 05:05.38 | Ich | aFlag: burn it |
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| 05:05.47 | Ich | that's the easiest way |
| 05:05.49 | daedalus_ | aFlag: Check google. you can mount to a loopback device |
| 05:06.28 | aFlag | i have friends dvds and i find it annoying to having to change between dvds, so i want just to play them directly from the hd |
| 05:06.34 | daedalus_ | aFlag: Though Ich is right that burning tends to be easier in the short term |
| 05:06.37 | aFlag | yeah, i was able to mount |
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| 05:06.42 | aFlag | but i couldn't play it |
| 05:06.50 | spencerk2 | how does a default debian install measure to a default win98 install, in terms of system resource weight? |
| 05:06.57 | aFlag | burning it won't do me any good :P |
| 05:06.58 | peterS | aFlag: totem, 'open location', file:///mnt |
| 05:07.09 | aFlag | hum |
| 05:07.12 | peterS | aFlag: it plays DVD images mounted as either iso9660 or udf, for me |
| 05:07.13 | spencerk2 | where can i compare different o/s's |
| 05:07.36 | liable | spencerk2: on your computer? :P |
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| 05:07.49 | spencerk2 | he he |
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| 05:08.01 | daedalus_ | spencerk2: your resource useage is dependent upon your useage model ;) |
| 05:08.20 | aFlag | yeah, it worked, thanks PerfDave |
| 05:08.21 | peterS | aFlag: this is with totem-xine. I haven't tried totem-gstreamer or other media players |
| 05:08.25 | aFlag | i mean peterS |
| 05:08.25 | peterS | aFlag: good deal (: |
| 05:08.51 | spencerk2 | im talking like ram and latency, which one will generally run faster, win98 or debian? where can i find this information? |
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| 05:09.55 | daedalus_ | spencerk2: Well, since win98 is rather aged, you're not likely to find a good comparison of linux 2.6 (which is what you're really going to be comparing) to win98 |
| 05:10.09 | spencerk2 | what about winxp then? |
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| 05:11.07 | spencerk2 | if i were to run an older version of linux, would it be faster, less bells and whistles like older windows versions? |
| 05:11.16 | spencerk2 | probably not eh |
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| 05:11.27 | LinuxMafia | hello all |
| 05:11.35 | alberto_ | anyone here has had good expirience with UnixODBC |
| 05:11.49 | daedalus_ | spencerk2: google for "linux windows xp benchmark" |
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| 05:11.57 | LinuxMafia | all : i bought a dual-layer-dvd- burner , but k3b shows only 4.4 GB availabe , why? |
| 05:12.05 | spencerk2 | thank you |
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| 05:12.43 | daedalus_ | spencerk2: google for "linux 2.4 2.6 benchmarks" to find differences between older and newer versions of linux. 2.6 usually wins |
| 05:12.48 | die_furry_ | i'm running sarge.. I can't play audio cds, even as root. but data cds work fine |
| 05:12.59 | wishie_ | where can i get help relating to ACPI alarm, and setting of it from linux ? |
| 05:13.20 | LinuxMafia | any one can help? |
| 05:13.21 | emfpilot | Hello all, quick question. I played multiple cdrom's w/ mp3's, root drive which is 1.4gb normaly is about 23% full. Well after playing these mp3's /was full, nothing but a reboot worked.. any idea's as to why this happened? cache of some sort? |
| 05:13.21 | pengo | i have a file named - |
| 05:13.44 | daedalus_ | LinuxMafia: Is your media dual layer? |
| 05:14.19 | daedalus_ | die_furry_: Have you ever been able to play audio cds with the system? |
| 05:14.59 | daedalus_ | emfpilot: what did you play them with? |
| 05:14.59 | LinuxMafia | daedalus_: yes |
| 05:15.03 | die_furry_ | yeah, the drive works fine under winXP, and mandrake. |
| 05:15.06 | emfpilot | xmms |
| 05:15.20 | die_furry_ | daedalus_, that is |
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| 05:15.49 | daedalus_ | die_furry_: have you checked your volume controls? |
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| 05:16.34 | LinuxMafia | daedalus_: yes it is sony dual layer |
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| 05:17.59 | daedalus_ | emfpilot: well, you can use "du -s /* |sort" to figure out where your bloat is. Likely it's in tmp |
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| 05:18.38 | die_furry_ | daedalus_, yeah. gnome-cd is actually giving me a "/media/cdrom does not point to a valid cdrom device" error. |
| 05:18.44 | emfpilot | daedalus_: that's the kicker, there were no files of any size to justify this |
| 05:18.59 | daedalus_ | LinuxMafia: how are you determining the available size? |
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| 05:19.41 | daedalus_ | die_furry_: heh. It's expecting the CDROM to be mounted |
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| 05:20.19 | LinuxMafia | daedalus_: k3b writes 4.4 Gb availabe at the bottom |
| 05:20.51 | daedalus_ | LinuxMafia: Dunno. Have you googled for the problem? (see /topic) |
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| 05:21.09 | die_furry_ | daedalus_: ah! ok. so if i tell it to use /dev/cdrom instead, it doesn't give that error. but then the playback stops after about 1 second. :-/ |
| 05:21.11 | LinuxMafia | yes i did |
| 05:21.53 | daedalus_ | die_furry_: does the drive stop as well? |
| 05:22.29 | emfpilot | ok well thx anyways... have a gn all |
| 05:22.53 | die_furry_ | daedalus_: yes. the light goes off and it just sits there |
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| 05:23.23 | daedalus_ | emfpilot: So, if you do a "du -s /", you don't get the full size of the drive? |
| 05:25.01 | daedalus_ | die_furry_: Whacky. What happens if you use cdcd or cdplay? (command-line cdrom players) |
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| 05:26.05 | die_furry_ | daedalus_, cdcd works fine. :P |
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| 05:26.59 | daedalus_ | die_furry_: Hmm.. Quirk with gnome-cd maybe? I suggest google. I haven't encountered the problem. |
| 05:27.15 | daedalus_ | Time for bed. 'Night all |
| 05:27.17 | rabies | hey, im trying to set up a mythtv box using debian, is there a list of prereqs that i can find for it? |
| 05:27.19 | die_furry_ | daedalus_, yeah, i'll have a look. thanks. |
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| 05:28.59 | nonforma | Anyone know of a tutorial for installing mail with virtual hosting, spam, av, that involves just apt packages? |
| 05:29.15 | nonforma | Something where I can avoid custom compiles, so that upgrades can generally be installed through apt |
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| 05:31.22 | Googler | have a really quick question. |
| 05:31.34 | Googler | I'm installing Debian at the moment |
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| 05:32.47 | LinuxMafia | daedalus_: did not find any thing in google |
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| 05:32.57 | Atula | hello |
| 05:33.17 | Leopard | hi |
| 05:34.48 | Atula | I am installing Deb using Netinstall CD... I'm sort of almost there.... but the problem now is that I can't get it to connect to internet... I tried putting in a PCI Ethernet card but didn't help. I'm running out of ideas... Um, FYI, I plugged in Knoppix and it detects the internet... infact. I'm using knoppix right now (horrible GUI). So any ideas to help out a fella? |
| 05:35.36 | Atula | any suggestions would be greatly appreciated |
| 05:36.16 | rza | hmm |
| 05:36.23 | rza | load the module for your network card |
| 05:36.28 | rza | during installation |
| 05:36.34 | Atula | it's oboard |
| 05:36.34 | rza | lspci to see which card it is |
| 05:36.55 | paivakil | Atula: what is you mother board? |
| 05:37.13 | Atula | Soyo Dragon Lite and I believe the chipset is VIA |
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| 05:37.28 | Jasper | darm ftape still wont compile |
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| 05:38.06 | Atula | Ethernet controller is REaltek |
| 05:38.15 | rza | rtl8139 ? |
| 05:38.28 | Atula | yep |
| 05:38.30 | Atula | that's it |
| 05:38.52 | sean_micken | what's a good alt. to mplayer? |
| 05:39.02 | sean_micken | that's in debian's repos perhaps? |
| 05:39.07 | MobyTurbo | sean_micken: vlc |
| 05:39.18 | skaught | sean_micken: totem-xine? |
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| 05:39.28 | DB_ | Why would my crontabs only be run once an hour on a sarge box? |
| 05:39.35 | Atula | anyone else wanna give me a hand? |
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| 05:39.54 | Atula | I am installing Deb using Netinstall CD... I'm sort of almost there.... but the problem now is that I can't get it to connect to internet... I tried putting in a PCI Ethernet card but didn't help. I'm running out of ideas... Um, FYI, I plugged in Knoppix and it detects the internet... infact. I'm using knoppix right now (horrible GUI). So any ideas to help out a fella? |
| 05:40.25 | Atula | my board is Soyo Dragon Lite, the Ethernet controller is Realtek 8139 |
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| 05:40.43 | daedalus_ | atula: sarge installer should have detected your card |
| 05:40.56 | Atula | that's the thing... it did not. |
| 05:41.14 | Atula | daedalus_, I'm wondering that myself... but maybe I should redo it.... |
| 05:41.23 | Atula | any suggestions? |
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| 05:41.37 | jm_ | load the module for it |
| 05:41.55 | Atula | how? |
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| 05:42.22 | jm_ | modprobe |
| 05:42.31 | jm_ | then add it to /etc/modules if it works |
| 05:42.43 | daedalus_ | jm_: he's in the installer |
| 05:42.54 | Atula | daedalus_, thanks. |
| 05:43.06 | jm_ | daedalus_: that doesn't matter |
| 05:43.16 | Atula | as long as I can get through the installer, it should be okay. |
| 05:43.23 | daedalus_ | atula: Um, there should be an option to load other modules |
| 05:43.33 | MobyTurbo | daedalus_: you can still alt-functionkey to a login screen while in the installer |
| 05:43.46 | hikenboot | hello folks...had to reinstall my system due to hardware failure. Now when I boot the system with the keyboard(usb) connected it boots to the install screen where you select which packages to install such as web server or desktop. If the keyboard is not connected it lets me log in and use after it starts xwindows (then reconnect keyboard)...any ideas |
| 05:43.49 | Atula | sure? |
| 05:43.59 | Atula | lemme try that |
| 05:44.00 | daedalus_ | MobyTurbo, yeha, I know, I was about to suggest that too. |
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| 05:44.15 | Atula | see ya. lemme try it again |
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| 05:46.22 | Neoalex | how do I enable a second video card? |
| 05:46.55 | Jasper | ok does anyone know where i can find a precomiled version of ftape for debian? |
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| 05:48.18 | hikenboot | anyone have any ideas on this problem |
| 05:48.51 | hikenboot | I tried installing a couple versions of the debian netinstaller and had all sorts of issues with them |
| 05:49.32 | liable | hikenboot: if its just an installer problem, try #debian-boot |
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| 05:50.11 | hikenboot | thanks liable |
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| 06:01.11 | rss | I've a monochrome monitor... what should be the vertical refresh rate and horizontal sync? |
| 06:02.37 | unome | who makes the monitor? |
| 06:02.57 | rss | Frontech |
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| 06:03.17 | unome | then find out the specs from their website, maybe? |
| 06:03.34 | Neoalex | how do I enable a second video adapter? |
| 06:03.43 | rss | they have long discontinued the product |
| 06:04.29 | MobyTurbo | rss: that doesn't mean they'll stop publishing the specs. My computer model from HP is discontinued but they've got all the specs on it. |
| 06:05.05 | peterS | rss: google frequently knows the answer to questions like this |
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| 06:05.26 | peterS | they are very smart, there at Google |
| 06:05.33 | rss | ya! |
| 06:05.48 | rss | as though they maintain all the websites! |
| 06:05.51 | MobyTurbo | peterS: even though they mispell "googal" |
| 06:06.07 | rss | tried that already |
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| 06:06.28 | peterS | MobyTurbo: did you misspell 'googol' on purpose? |
| 06:07.40 | MobyTurbo | peterS: unfortunately no... google has brainwashed me into forgetting that. ;-/ |
| 06:07.40 | valdyn | Neoalex: which video adapter(s) ? |
| 06:09.25 | MobyTurbo | peterS: they've set a pretty high bar for themselves, 10^100 exceeds by 20 orders of magnitude the amount of atoms in the universe |
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| 06:09.47 | Nethox | [OT] Can anyone told me a channel where I can talk about 8bit computers? |
| 06:10.03 | Nethox | s/told/tell |
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| 06:10.45 | peterS | MobyTurbo: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-corrections |
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| 06:14.30 | MobyTurbo | peterS: pretty funny :-) |
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| 06:15.44 | BlackJudas | How can I get my usb devices to list using lsusb? Dmesg shows a device being connected, but it seems that /proc/bus/usb doesn't exist, and it seems that the pertinent modules are loaded at boot. |
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| 06:16.05 | jm_ | you need to mount it |
| 06:16.30 | Nethox | and what if its not mountable? :) |
| 06:16.41 | jm_ | no, the /proc/bus/usb ... |
| 06:16.42 | BlackJudas | jm_, "none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults,noatime 0 0" is containted in my fstab. |
| 06:16.53 | jm_ | BlackJudas: does your kernel support usbfs? |
| 06:17.03 | BlackJudas | Let me check the config. |
| 06:17.05 | cmihai | Has anyone using an optical mouse (well, Genius NetScroll Optical PS/2) experience serious mouse problems when accessing disks (ex: writing a dvd, untaring an archive, etc. Anything that has to do with disk activity?). It only seems to happen in UNIX |
| 06:17.12 | jm_ | it must be in /proc/filesystems |
| 06:17.13 | BlackJudas | should, it's based of the default deb config. |
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| 06:17.43 | cmihai | Disk activity == fucked up mouse (jerky movements, clicks itself, etc). Something like intrerupt storm, dunno |
| 06:17.50 | jm_ | chima;hdparm -u enabled? |
| 06:17.55 | jm_ | cmihai ^^^^ |
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| 06:18.47 | BlackJudas | jm_, hrmm, what would the config tag be called? |
| 06:18.53 | cmihai | jm_: don't think so. Should I try that? |
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| 06:19.17 | cmihai | Well, anyway, whatever it is, is only happens with optical mice, on any UNIX I've tried. |
| 06:19.32 | jm_ | BlackJudas: CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS |
| 06:19.43 | cmihai | On more then one computer... |
| 06:19.43 | jm_ | cmihai: try it |
| 06:19.48 | cmihai | All right.. |
| 06:19.58 | manu | Where can i find good docs on kernel(sysctl) tweaks for 2.4.x kernel |
| 06:20.23 | jm_ | I haven't noticed any difference in behaviour between my new optical mouse, and the old one (the latter is PS/2, the former is USB) |
| 06:20.52 | cmihai | So, you had similar problems ? |
| 06:21.03 | jm_ | no, it works just as before, without any problems |
| 06:21.06 | BlackJudas | jm_, thanks for taking the time to help me w/it, I must've disabled it by accident... appreciate it *ashamed* ;) |
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| 06:21.31 | cmihai | Oh. Well, I did that, and it didn't work :( |
| 06:21.50 | jm_ | it doesn't help at all? then it must be something else |
| 06:22.02 | cmihai | What's really strange is that it does the same on _any_ Linux (Debian, SuSE...etc. 2.4 && 2.6), FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris... doesn't even matter. |
| 06:22.16 | BlackJudas | Now that you mention it... my mx300 acts funny and jitters a lot :/ |
| 06:22.27 | cmihai | Heavy disk activity = don't move the mouse or you're fucked. |
| 06:22.38 | BlackJudas | Is yours usb? |
| 06:22.44 | cmihai | PS/2 |
| 06:22.51 | Nethox | BlackJudas: i have a mx500 and works perfectly :? |
| 06:23.02 | jm_ | well mine can move on its own too, not sure why this happens with all optical mice |
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| 06:23.37 | skaught | Hmm.. I've never had a problem with an IntelliMouse Explorer or with a Logitech optical TrackBall |
| 06:23.38 | Schiz0 | My optical mouse rocks, it's USB. Never had any problem with it. |
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| 06:23.42 | BlackJudas | Nethox, yeah, my mx510 is fine... the 310 isn't (or 300 .. i forget now)... |
| 06:23.44 | cmihai | jm_: yep, same thing. Moves on it's own, clicks on it's own sometimes... moves in different direction, "teleports"...all this with heavy load. |
| 06:23.49 | jim | beth: lehem? |
| 06:24.02 | BlackJudas | it almost seems that the protocol is messed up somehow... |
| 06:24.02 | jm_ | cmihai: ahh no, I just see small movement, no clicks |
| 06:24.10 | Agrajag- | cmihai: get anything in dmesg? |
| 06:24.22 | peterS | cmihai: PS/2 vs. USB will make all the difference. so will, probably, switching between kernel 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 06:24.24 | cmihai | Nope. |
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| 06:24.25 | Nethox | jm_: it can be because of the surface you move onto |
| 06:24.45 | cmihai | peterS: I just said i tried just about _any_ UNIX or UNIX clone on it. |
| 06:24.58 | cmihai | It's not OS specific... |
| 06:25.00 | peterS | cmihai: and this is with multiple motherboards? |
| 06:25.14 | jm_ | Nethox: yes, it's old mouse pad, the surface is not even - it has helped some when I tried to flatten it on both sides (hopefully I'll move to a new place where I'll have better desk) |
| 06:25.21 | cmihai | 2 computers. One with VIA KT600, one with intel. |
| 06:25.24 | jim | there's about 3500 of those... and that was > 15 years ago :) |
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| 06:26.24 | Gnea | ok everyone, i've got a challenge for you: tell me the IP of this hostname: 42.70-85-106.reverse.theplanet.com |
| 06:26.56 | cmihai | The system is more then capable, I could probably play Doom 3 without any problems while buring cd's/untaring big archives. Only the mouse is fsck-ed. |
| 06:26.59 | cmihai | Gnea: please... |
| 06:27.02 | jim | 106.85.70.42? |
| 06:27.06 | Gnea | nope |
| 06:27.08 | Gnea | guess again |
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| 06:27.20 | directhex | cmihai, fscked mouse? |
| 06:27.29 | Gnea | cmihai: please, try and see if *you* can actually *do* it |
| 06:27.30 | Nethox | 70.85.106.42 |
| 06:27.40 | Gnea | very good |
| 06:27.45 | Gnea | Nethox++ |
| 06:27.49 | peterS | cmihai: yeah, that's odd. I wonder if the mouse is spewing lots of extraneous traffic when it's not moving, or something. monitor /proc/interrupts for a bit, see if it's doing that |
| 06:27.56 | jim | non, that name does not resolve. |
| 06:27.57 | Nethox | my isp does the same conversion Gnea |
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| 06:28.40 | Gnea | Nethox: but were you able to type 'host 42.70-85-106.reverse.theplanet.com' and get the IP? |
| 06:29.00 | Gnea | or nslookup/ping |
| 06:29.00 | Nethox | Gnea: i havent tested, I just use the force :P |
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| 06:29.19 | Gnea | Nethox: then you got lucky. try to see if you can resolve it. |
| 06:29.45 | jim | Gnea: it doesn't resolve, so the correct answer is NXDOMAIN |
| 06:30.05 | Gnea | jim: ok, now take the IP that Nethox correctly guessed and reverse it. |
| 06:30.13 | vladuz976 | does anybody here know much about shell scripts? |
| 06:30.23 | Gnea | vladuz976: sure |
| 06:30.39 | jim | Gnea: but that wasn't your original question, for which the answer is none :) |
| 06:30.56 | Gnea | jim: the question was answered, i moved onto the next step :) |
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| 06:31.06 | vladuz976 | Gnea, i have trouble with one, getting an error about syntax but can't seem to find the problem. can you look at it? |
| 06:31.20 | Gnea | vladuz976: got a pastebin? |
| 06:31.28 | jim | Gnea: well, the next step is to ask why it does not resolve |
| 06:31.49 | vladuz976 | Gnea, yeah hold on |
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| 06:32.16 | Gnea | jim: that's because someone set their dns up wrong (possibly on purpose) |
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| 06:33.30 | jim | Gnea: but who? theplanet.com |
| 06:33.41 | Neoalex | if lspci looks like this 0000:00:0e.0 for a video card how should I write it in xserver config? |
| 06:33.46 | Neoalex | PCI:... ??? |
| 06:34.30 | vladuz976 | Gnea, http://rafb.net/paste/results/UQ5U1R87.html |
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| 06:36.02 | Gnea | vladuz976: difficult to tell.. have you tried any other script that performs the same function? |
| 06:36.25 | vladuz976 | Gnea, no |
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| 06:36.53 | vladuz976 | Gnea, haven't found one yet. |
| 06:37.05 | cmihai | Just finished burning the DVD (it's closing the session now) and the mouse is back to normal. Strange |
| 06:37.07 | jim | vladuz976: why not use make? |
| 06:37.22 | vladuz976 | jim, too much to compile by hand |
| 06:37.44 | Neoalex | if lspci looks like this 0000:00:0e.0 for a video card how should I write it in xserver config? |
| 06:37.45 | Gnea | vladuz976: sec |
| 06:37.48 | directhex | sigh |
| 06:37.50 | jim | hmmm, it is using make actually |
| 06:37.54 | directhex | Neoalex, use lspci -X |
| 06:38.01 | Neoalex | 10x |
| 06:38.13 | vladuz976 | the guy who wrote it can't even find the mistake, is that weird or what/ |
| 06:38.15 | vladuz976 | ? |
| 06:38.26 | peterS | Neoalex: you don't bother with that unless you have multiple video cards of the same brand |
| 06:38.28 | Gnea | vladuz976: check that out - much more efficient |
| 06:38.39 | jim | vladuz976: maybe he used a bashism |
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| 06:39.29 | herbi | hi, just a quick clarification (to make sure my reading of the man page is correct) |
| 06:39.44 | herbi | 00 21 07 07 * /opt/contrib/backup_u <-- that will run on the 7th of July at 9PM correct? |
| 06:39.53 | herbi | (in cron) |
| 06:40.34 | Neoalex | whank you... you're very nice and helpfull |
| 06:40.53 | Neoalex | thank* |
| 06:40.53 | rza | herbi: yes |
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| 06:45.09 | Gentoo_Lover | hi |
| 06:45.25 | Schiz0 | Gentoo_Lover, in #Debian? =-o! |
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| 06:45.39 | Gentoo_Lover | Can you help me please ? (sorry for my badly english because i'm french :\ ) |
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| 06:46.50 | jim | likely yes if you'ren running debiian |
| 06:46.51 | Gentoo_Lover | Schiz0 just a nickname ;) (i used gentoo but now i've a amd64 processor so i want to use debian :) ) |
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| 06:47.15 | cmihai | Hm, any reason you can't kill a su/sudo attempt in Debian? |
| 06:47.22 | Schiz0 | What do you need help with Gentoo_Lover? |
| 06:47.23 | jim | you could start by installing i386 |
| 06:47.24 | cmihai | C+c style ? |
| 06:47.32 | Gentoo_Lover | my debian was installed succefully and boots but i have a problem ...... |
| 06:47.33 | herbi | rza: thankye |
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| 06:48.16 | Schiz0 | Well what's the problem Gentoo_Lover? |
| 06:48.30 | Gentoo_Lover | when i start X , my mouse is turn off (on /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice => a ps2 mouse) |
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| 06:49.52 | zulkifar | Hi. Is there a tool which can convert .flac to .mp3 preserving tags? |
| 06:50.29 | peterS | zulkifar: not in debian. debian can't ship mp3 encoders because of patent lawsuit exposure |
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| 06:50.50 | peterS | zulkifar: (debian can't afford to buy a patent license for mp3 encoding for every debian user. that would be insanely expensive and impossible to track) |
| 06:51.02 | zulkifar | peterS: hm, but what about lame? |
| 06:51.09 | peterS | zulkifar: you'll notice that lame isn't in debian |
| 06:51.10 | zulkifar | peterS: it is in debain, right? |
| 06:51.16 | zulkifar | oops |
| 06:51.55 | zulkifar | peterS: it is though :) apt-cache searh laem |
| 06:52.01 | zulkifar | *lame |
| 06:52.07 | Gentoo_Lover | Schiz0 , How can i do ? :( |
| 06:52.15 | mdh | debain contains all the packages that aren't in debian ;) |
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| 06:52.41 | peterS | zulkifar: not on my system |
| 06:52.59 | mdh | !lame |
| 06:52.59 | dpkg | methinks lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 06:53.06 | manu | Where can i find good docs on kernel(sysctl) tweaks for 2.4.x kernel |
| 06:53.21 | mdh | !rarewares |
| 06:53.22 | dpkg | [rarewares] a repository for many media apps. http://rarewares.org. Sid packages in deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./ or deb http://feayn.org/~lewis/rarewares/unstable ./ |
| 06:53.26 | peterS | zulkifar: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package |
| 06:53.32 | peterS | zulkifar: it mentions lame specifically (: |
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| 06:55.08 | Mr_America | Happy Birthday to ME! |
| 06:55.15 | Mr_America | Happy Birthday to Mr. America! |
| 06:55.17 | Mr_America | Happy Birthday to ME! |
| 06:55.20 | zulkifar | peterS: from apt-cache show: Filename: dists/stable/main/binary-i386/lame_3.96.1-0sarge1_i386.deb |
| 06:55.24 | zulkifar | peterS: why I see it? |
| 06:56.03 | peterS | zulkifar: sounds like you have something in /etc/apt/sources.list other than debian |
| 06:56.16 | peterS | zulkifar: maybe you have ftp.nerim.net |
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| 06:56.54 | peterS | mdh: Edward II style? |
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| 06:57.51 | zulkifar | peterS: <- |
| 06:57.56 | zulkifar | see it? |
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| 06:58.31 | peterS | zulkifar: dists/stable/main/binary-i386/* is not the sort of pathname you see on debian mirrors |
| 06:58.35 | vladuz976 | Gnea, hey that ; didn't fix it, still same error when i run it |
| 06:58.49 | peterS | zulkifar: on debian mirrors, .deb files would appear under pool/main/l/lame/ |
| 06:58.52 | mdh | peterS: exactly |
| 06:59.00 | zulkifar | oh, need to update then |
| 06:59.12 | mdh | although with less style and more brute force |
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| 06:59.31 | peterS | mdh: that's not a nice thing to do, you know |
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| 07:01.14 | peterS | zulkifar: I didn't. also, don't paste in here. more than 2 lines in a row is Very Bad Form in #debian |
| 07:01.15 | Schiz0 | No. |
| 07:01.29 | valdyn | - |
| 07:01.38 | Schiz0 | Because you need the -o on the /exec to display it to the chan. |
| 07:01.40 | peterS | zulkifar: if you must paste (in other channels!), don't forget the -o argument for /exec, and the 'cat' command |
| 07:03.38 | Schiz0 | peterS- what's the 'cat' command? |
| 07:04.07 | rza | Schiz0: it shows contents of file |
| 07:04.07 | peterS | Schiz0: dumps the contents of one or more files to its standard output |
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| 07:04.14 | zulkifar | peterS: I forgot -o. It was just 3 lines actually. Command was exec cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v '#\|^$\|deb-src' |
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| 07:04.45 | peterS | zulkifar: grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list would be a bit shorter. but even so, 3 lines is frowned upon in here. we really don't like pastes. |
| 07:04.49 | Schiz0 | Ah. Thought you were talking about a xchat command like exec heh. |
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| 07:06.57 | zulkifar | peterS: yes, '^deb ' would be shorter :)) Just a habbit, afraid of losing something important when analising logs :) |
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| 07:07.21 | peterS | zulkifar: anyway. lame isn't in debian. http://packages.debian.org/lame knows. |
| 07:08.37 | mdh | !lame |
| 07:08.37 | dpkg | [lame] : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 07:09.00 | mdh | I think I hear an echo in here... |
| 07:09.02 | zulkifar | peterS: is this mean that EU acknowleged that shitty law which makes products like mplayer against the law? Or its because lame is not stricktly GPL? |
| 07:09.05 | daxxar | < |
| 07:09.18 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 07:09.33 | zulkifar | mdh: I c |
| 07:09.34 | peterS | zulkifar: fraunhofer has patents on mp3 encoding in Germany as well as the US. whether this is allowed under EU directives is a bit beside the point |
| 07:10.02 | ottoaim | as long as you don't believe in software patents you shouldn't have any moral problem using it |
| 07:10.22 | zulkifar | But lame was in debain before, right? |
| 07:10.26 | peterS | ottoaim: nice, but that has nothing to do with debian's legal exposure |
| 07:10.27 | ottoaim | just as I don't believe in pirates so when I plunder their treasure chests I don't feel bad |
| 07:10.34 | peterS | zulkifar: I believe it has never been in debian |
| 07:11.26 | zulkifar | software patents sounds really evil... |
| 07:11.28 | mdh | lame has never been in debian |
| 07:11.40 | zulkifar | mdh: ok |
| 07:11.42 | mdh | there was a controversial ITP filed many years ago... |
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| 07:11.54 | peterS | mdh: yeah, I think there have been multiple ITPs. they always get shot down |
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| 07:14.33 | mdh | speaking of shot down, I need to refresh my X11 session (something about a new dbus thing that Xsession.options needs) |
| 07:14.44 | DebiDummie | i am trying to make a mysql connection to a well-working debian box with mysql 4.1 from inside dreamweaver. i have created user on debian box with all privileges. i have added the ALL:ip_address/subnetmask lines to my /etc/hosts.allow file. when i try to connect I get this error: 1130 #HY000Host 'host.domain.tld' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server. any ideas? thx. |
| 07:15.07 | rza | wrong host on user? |
| 07:15.11 | Schiz0 | DebiDummie- try /join #mysql |
| 07:15.45 | mdh | DebiDummie: is that mysql itself telling you to piss off? |
| 07:15.52 | DebiDummie | it seems to be something specific about how debian works. have read a bunch but nothing working so far |
| 07:16.03 | DebiDummie | yep mdh |
| 07:16.12 | zulkifar | DebiDummie: sure bad configured access. Ask mysql admin. |
| 07:16.18 | mdh | DebiDummie: ie, you have no entry for that server in the Hosts table of the mysql database, or for the user you're trying to connect as at that host in the User or Db tables? |
| 07:16.21 | DebiDummie | #mysql sez go to #debian.... |
| 07:16.35 | Schiz0 | haha. |
| 07:16.41 | Schiz0 | and debian says go to mysql. |
| 07:16.47 | DebiDummie | thanks zulkifar |
| 07:17.22 | DebiDummie | i did create the appropriate user using the command prompt on the db server |
| 07:17.28 | DebiDummie | let me go recheck that part |
| 07:17.40 | mdh | DebiDummie: and you're reloaded the grants tables? |
| 07:18.09 | mdh | "mysqladmin reload" |
| 07:18.22 | DebiDummie | i will try that too. |
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| 07:19.19 | mdh | remember mysqladmin commands need to be executaed as a user with permissions to do so (eg, mysqladmin -u root -p reload) |
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| 07:19.38 | mdh | "user" in this sense being a mysql user |
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| 07:19.53 | DebiDummie | i flushed... still no go |
| 07:19.56 | zulkifar | DebiDummie: grant this user at least r/o access to needed database, tables. And don't forget to specify your host (from where you try to connect) explicitly. And do what mdh said. |
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| 07:20.06 | mdh | bbiab |
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| 07:21.44 | hid3 | Hello everyone.. I've purchased a gigabit Broadcom 5701 network adapter. However, my workstation has only 32 bit PCI slots.. What maximum speed can I expect adapter in such conditions? |
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| 07:22.05 | DebiDummie | i *can* connect from the same windows box to the mysql server using mysql admin and using same login that dies in dreamweaver. |
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| 07:22.48 | Schiz0 | Pfft. Dreamweaver. KWrite or VIM is so much better :-P |
| 07:23.38 | DebiDummie | I think it may be a windows machine name vs. debian host.domain.name problem... let me see :) |
| 07:25.05 | mdh | Schiz0: screem and bluefish are good HTML/website editors... |
| 07:25.06 | DebiDummie | I am interested in looking into KWrite and VIM but my resource requires this so... just tryin to make it workey |
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| 07:25.31 | Schiz0 | lol, their both just text editors |
| 07:25.36 | mdh | oh, and nvu |
| 07:25.50 | DebiDummie | :) |
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| 07:26.07 | DebiDummie | nano? |
| 07:26.21 | Schiz0 | Plain VI |
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| 07:26.51 | mdh | sam ;-) |
| 07:27.00 | DebiDummie | i like vi better except when I am tired |
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| 07:27.02 | jono | hi all, I added an extra repo in sources.list and have since removed it - how can I search my system for all software installed from that repo? |
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| 07:27.57 | mdh | jono: I think you want to search on the Origin tag |
| 07:28.08 | jono | what is the origin tag? |
| 07:28.29 | mdh | jono: its a part of the Packages file saying where the .deb came from |
| 07:29.01 | jono | can I search that with apt? |
| 07:29.32 | mdh | umm.. dunno. you can dpkg-awk it :) |
| 07:29.57 | Guerin | jono: apt-get install grep-dctrl |
| 07:30.20 | jono | Guerin, ok, what do I use that for? |
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| 07:31.42 | DebiDummie | im still chokin |
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| 07:31.53 | Guerin | jono: searching package metadata. read the docs for it. |
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| 07:33.44 | zulkifar | DebiDummie: can you access via ODBC? Does it work? |
| 07:34.50 | DebiDummie | zulkifar. have not tried that |
| 07:34.55 | DebiDummie | thanks |
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| 07:35.37 | tarzeau | good morning |
| 07:36.16 | mdh | tarzeau: welcome to today :) |
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| 07:39.41 | gigabytes | hi everyone! |
| 07:40.36 | DebiDummie | my auth.log shows that the user is making a smbd connection and then it shows the connection closing about 10 second later. |
| 07:40.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahahha mac OS 9.2.2 is greeeeeeat. You gotta try it. |
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| 07:42.05 | zulkifar | DebiDummie: smbd? how it relates to mysql? :) |
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| 07:44.31 | DebiDummie | winderz is tryin to... ??? maybe that is problem. thx zulkifar :) |
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| 07:46.45 | henk | I've just set up a 500GB 2 disk lvm backupserver. I whould like to (stress)test this storage to see if it performes well without failure. Anyone know of a good package that will do this for me ? |
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| 07:51.24 | peterS | henk: there's always bonnie++ |
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| 07:52.20 | sayadune | hi |
| 07:52.25 | daos | can you do http host header redirection in iptables? |
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| 07:53.49 | henk | peterS i know but i whould like a tool that does a few read/write cycles on the entire 500Gig partition and checks if no errors are made |
| 07:54.06 | peterS | henk: oh, dunno if there's anything specifically like that |
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| 07:54.23 | jm_ | badblocks? |
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| 07:55.45 | daos | can you do http host header redirection in iptables? |
| 07:56.16 | henk | jm_ yep badblocks etc. Just to see if the two disks are OK before i trust my backups to it |
| 07:56.36 | henk | nothing fancy |
| 07:56.38 | jm_ | henk: that's a command |
| 07:57.32 | henk | jm_ ah that might indeed be just what i need ... reading the manpage thank you |
| 07:58.45 | peterS | daos: I suspect if any of us knew, we would have answered you 3 minutes ago |
| 07:58.53 | peterS | daos: please wait longer before repeating your question |
| 07:59.29 | fatal__ | iptables doesn't work on the application layer (http). |
| 07:59.46 | peterS | fatal__: you say that, but there's a nat + ftp module |
| 08:00.15 | peterS | fatal__: clearly *that* pokes its pudgy fingers into the application layer |
| 08:00.23 | fatal__ | peterS: every rule has an exception.... |
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| 08:01.27 | Pasamio | sid is unstable eh? |
| 08:01.31 | tarzeau | Pasamio: yes |
| 08:01.34 | fatal__ | as always. |
| 08:01.36 | Pasamio | guess thats why they named it so :p |
| 08:01.40 | tarzeau | Pasamio: no |
| 08:01.43 | Pasamio | seems to be working for me |
| 08:01.53 | peterS | I sense a topicsmite |
| 08:02.03 | Pasamio | :p |
| 08:02.03 | tarzeau | Pasamio: tried to install gnome and kde yet? |
| 08:02.04 | peterS | ...ahh, the urge faded |
| 08:02.14 | Pasamio | tarzeau: yes, running gnome 2.10 atm |
| 08:02.20 | bisquit | Unstable doesn't mean unstable per se. It means a tendency, yes? |
| 08:02.22 | tarzeau | Pasamio: IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S BROKEN |
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| 08:02.34 | tarzeau | bisquit: it means READ THIS SHIT |
| 08:02.37 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 08:02.37 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 08:02.47 | Pasamio | would you like an ssh account to verify |
| 08:02.52 | bisquit | Do I have to?-) |
| 08:02.52 | henk | does anyone know a good package for doing backups/restore? preferably with incremental backups the ability to get an image of the state the backed up system was in at a specific time etc? |
| 08:02.58 | tarzeau | bisquit: yes please |
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| 08:03.17 | bisquit | Even though I have no desire to use sid or whatnot? ok then.. Mumble and grumble. |
| 08:03.32 | Pasamio | all i noticed that is broken is hal |
| 08:03.46 | Pasamio | doesn't like my mouse, granted it hasn't liked it for a while |
| 08:03.55 | peterS | this is highly irregular, Pasamio |
| 08:04.04 | Pasamio | i get that |
| 08:04.31 | Pasamio | just wondering if anyone had an eta for a new hal release? |
| 08:04.38 | peterS | I actually haven't seen the movie |
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| 08:05.16 | Pasamio | so what is broken in sid again? |
| 08:05.53 | caphuso | typically a lot of things |
| 08:05.55 | bisquit | It's like saying windows is unstable. |
| 08:06.06 | bisquit | A friend of mine ran Win3.11 for weeks very stable-like. |
| 08:06.12 | Pasamio | mmm |
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| 08:06.14 | Pasamio | bbl, dr who time |
| 08:06.23 | bisquit | then he opened the Task-Manager or whatnot, and... that's another story. |
| 08:06.33 | Pasamio | lol |
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| 08:08.19 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 08:08.19 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a lOler. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
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| 08:09.48 | bisquit | Pfft. #linux.fi had defined lol as - this is a translation - Say-er is a Lam-er. (oirg.finnish version: Lausuja On Lameri) |
| 08:09.59 | Pasamio | http://pasamio.homelinux.net/~pasamio/sid.today.png |
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| 08:12.07 | peterS | Pasamio: is that an e-zine? sounds like the name of an e-zine |
| 08:12.13 | peterS | "Sid Today" |
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| 08:12.23 | Eclipser | slow site |
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| 08:12.42 | Emanuelez | hello |
| 08:12.46 | Emanuelez | i'm running an ssh server inside my lan. i'd like it to be reachable from the outside so i configured my router. now i can reach my server, but i authentication always fails. any hint? |
| 08:12.48 | mdh | Eclipser: only because all 700+ people on the channel have just clicked on it ;) |
| 08:12.53 | mdh | #debiandotted |
| 08:13.33 | bisquit | And this isn't #BandwidthContest-channel. |
| 08:13.58 | bisquit | Or atleast that's what I was told! I could be wrong, wouldn't be new... |
| 08:14.01 | peterS | Emanuelez: 'ssh -v' is always the first thing to try when you have auth problems |
| 08:14.20 | Eclipser | ok ok |
| 08:14.21 | Eclipser | I'm bored |
| 08:14.28 | mdh | Pasamio: your desktop is very....square |
| 08:14.35 | Eclipser | that freaking assistent isn't checking my DSP exercises |
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| 08:14.45 | Eclipser | we were supposed to get out of here half an hour ago |
| 08:14.49 | Pasamio | i like square |
| 08:14.50 | tarzeau | Pasamio: that's ugly |
| 08:14.56 | tarzeau | Pasamio: have you seen GNUstep yet? |
| 08:14.59 | Pasamio | peterS: i wanted a name for it, that'd do |
| 08:15.06 | Pasamio | tarzeau: didums, its sid working with gnome :p |
| 08:15.20 | tarzeau | mdh: square? no only can be square and gray! |
| 08:15.25 | mdh | tarzeau: is gnustep anywhere near usable? |
| 08:15.42 | tarzeau | mdh: yes of course. checked livecd.gnustep.org yet? or apt-get install wmaker gnustep gnustep-devel gnustep-games ? |
| 08:16.06 | Emanuelez | peterS: may it be because or clear tunneled passwords in the sshd config file? |
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| 08:16.16 | mdh | tarzeau: I've had gnustep installed since.. *cough*developing windowmaker*cough* |
| 08:16.27 | tarzeau | mdh: when was that? |
| 08:16.31 | mdh | but it never seemed to be usable |
| 08:16.34 | mdh | :-( |
| 08:16.40 | tarzeau | mdh: it is now, since sarge |
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| 08:16.41 | peterS | Emanuelez: lots of reasons ssh auth might fail. 'ssh -v' will pinpoint them |
| 08:16.53 | Eclipser | http://www.pilvikaupunki.net/~eclipser/Screenshot.png |
| 08:17.05 | Pasamio | in anycase, your proof that i am running sid with gnome today |
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| 08:17.16 | mdh | I might pull the livecd, maybe I'm just doing something wrong |
| 08:17.39 | Emanuelez | peterS: i can auth from inside my lan, but when i tunnel my connection throu the router it just fails |
| 08:17.48 | tarzeau | Eclipser: what figures are that? |
| 08:18.03 | Eclipser | my digital signal processing exercise spectograms |
| 08:18.37 | peterS | Eclipser: thanks, one more for my cameo collection |
| 08:18.38 | Emanuelez | peterS: i can auth from inside my lan, but when i tunnel my connection throu the router it just fails |
| 08:18.47 | tarzeau | Eclipser: hey, know #demoscene ? tried the package |
| 08:18.49 | Emanuelez | peterS: verbose mode s not showing me much apart from debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive |
| 08:18.52 | peterS | Eclipser: (I collect pngs and jpgs that have me in them from an irc window) |
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| 08:19.02 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 08:19.07 | tarzeau | Eclipser: schism yet? or opencubicplayer? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 08:19.31 | Eclipser | tarzeau, no I haven't tried and I don't know #demoscene |
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| 08:22.14 | berky | I recently installed Debian on a laptop and would like the laptop to hibernate. What's the best way to implement this? So far I have discovered a hibernate command that I can enable if I recompile the kernel, but I'm new to Linux and would rather not have to do that. |
| 08:22.54 | RuffianSoldier | which debian? |
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| 08:23.17 | berky | RuffianSoldier: SARGE. |
| 08:23.20 | Pasamio | gnu/linux debian! |
| 08:23.22 | Pasamio | :p |
| 08:23.25 | RuffianSoldier | lol...... |
| 08:23.32 | Althaser | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUNTING -o netface -j MASQUERADE what is wrong here ? |
| 08:23.34 | berky | Pasamio: Aren't they all? :) |
| 08:23.34 | bisquit | Pasamio :) |
| 08:23.49 | Pasamio | lol |
| 08:23.51 | peterS | Althaser: what is 'netface'? is that like eth0 or similar? |
| 08:24.06 | RuffianSoldier | Ubuntu has hibernation... works fine for me.... plus its noob friendly - and very good for advanced users also. But normal debian is great if you want to have some fun |
| 08:24.20 | berky | RuffianSoldier: Wow, it comes built in? |
| 08:24.30 | Althaser | peterS iptables -t nat -A POSTROUNTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 08:24.36 | RuffianSoldier | well... it works 'out of the box' |
| 08:24.54 | berky | RuffianSoldier: That's neat. Might be something to consider. I think I might rather re-install than re-compile... :P |
| 08:25.03 | RuffianSoldier | its very easy to use |
| 08:25.04 | mdh | n00buntu is not debian |
| 08:25.09 | peterS | Althaser: that's better. I don't know if it's *right* or *sufficient*, since I don't run NAT here, but it looks close |
| 08:25.10 | RuffianSoldier | no crap..... |
| 08:25.25 | RuffianSoldier | i use both ubuntu and debian - i prefer ubuntu for desktop and debian for servers |
| 08:25.26 | Althaser | # iptables -t nat -A POSTROUNTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 08:25.26 | Althaser | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 08:25.28 | Althaser | :( |
| 08:25.39 | sayadune | Is anybody knows where I can found a 'unofficial' package with 2.6.12 kernel for i386 or K7? |
| 08:25.39 | berky | If I were running a server, I wouldn't worry about hibernating. :) |
| 08:25.46 | RuffianSoldier | lol ^6 |
| 08:25.53 | mdh | Althaser: try spelling POSTROUTING correctly |
| 08:26.07 | berky | I had a fun time building madwifi to support my wireless card. :) |
| 08:26.15 | Guerin | sayadune: kernel.org |
| 08:26.23 | Guerin | sayadune: some assembly required |
| 08:26.24 | RuffianSoldier | well im off to bed goodluck berky |
| 08:26.31 | berky | RuffianSoldier: Thanks. Goodnight. |
| 08:26.39 | Althaser | mdh done :D |
| 08:26.53 | Althaser | thanks a lot mdh and peterS ;) |
| 08:27.31 | sayadune | Guerin, thanks; |
| 08:27.54 | Guerin | sayadune: you're welcome: |
| 08:28.20 | bisquit | berky, I may not be the best person to speak, having that I have never compiled my own kernel, but... I do think that re-compiling would be easier and faster than a whole new re-install. |
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| 08:28.34 | mdh | !kp |
| 08:28.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 08:28.36 | bisquit | Not to mention Ubuntu does not have a channel like #Debian where almost all of your problems get solved ;) |
| 08:28.41 | Guerin | bisquit: doubtful, in the case of someone who's never done it before. |
| 08:29.00 | Guerin | building a kernel is easy |
| 08:29.06 | Guerin | patching it and configuring it is hard |
| 08:29.07 | berky | bisquit: You might be right. The thing is that I'm a noob with a lot of computer experience but very little Linux knowledge. I can follow instructions, but sadly I find most instructions on the Web are not that great. |
| 08:29.12 | bisquit | Guerin, ok I stand corrected. |
| 08:29.28 | mdh | !kp mantra |
| 08:29.28 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 08:29.53 | Guerin | and it's pretty much impossible to give instructions as to how to correctly configure a kernel for given hardware - you either know how or you learn on the go. |
| 08:30.15 | Pasamio | debian stock kernels will be there to get you out of trouble as well normally |
| 08:30.31 | berky | I don't think that's something I'm quite ready for. I had a hard enough time getting everything sorted out with madwifi. |
| 08:30.44 | bisquit | Roight. |
| 08:30.49 | berky | And if it gives you some idea of how new I am to Linux, I was proud I did it. :) |
| 08:30.58 | Pasamio | berky: where is your adventurous spirit! |
| 08:31.07 | berky | Pasamio: Hiding from Linux...? :) |
| 08:31.08 | Pasamio | one success, keep going! |
| 08:31.17 | mdh | berky: the advantage of doing things The Debian Way (tm) is that its integrated with your bootloader and you just install a new kernel package that sits alongside your old one(s) nicely, so you can always regress to an older kernel if your newly-compiled one doesn't work |
| 08:31.18 | berky | Pasamio: I thought my adventurous spirit was deciding to use Linux in the first place. :) |
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| 08:31.22 | Pasamio | lol |
| 08:31.32 | berky | mdh: That seems good. |
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| 08:31.55 | Pasamio | its a god send from the old days |
| 08:32.04 | mdh | of course, if your newly-compiled one fries your hardware, the old one probably won't work ;) |
| 08:32.12 | berky | mdh: I did read a little about it, and saw some instructions about renaming the old kernel and creating a boot entry for it so you can load it if you're in trouble. |
| 08:32.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:32.22 | berky | mdh: Surely you can't actually fry your hardware with a kernel. |
| 08:32.30 | Pasamio | of course you can |
| 08:32.31 | Guerin | show me a kernel that will fry hardware and i'll show you some shitty hardware |
| 08:32.38 | berky | How is that possible? |
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| 08:32.48 | Pasamio | kernel interfaces at the lowest level |
| 08:32.50 | bisquit | Updated from ready-installed Woody to Sarge all on my own. And updated my kernel too! :P And got everything working smoothly, except for mrtg. |
| 08:33.03 | berky | bisquit: I'd be proud of that too. :) |
| 08:33.06 | Pasamio | if can literally kill devices if you configure it the wrong way or use devel stuf |
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| 08:33.07 | Guerin | it'd have to be a specially-designed "fuck your shit up" kernel |
| 08:33.14 | berky | Guerin: chuckle |
| 08:33.19 | Pasamio | Guerin: very true |
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| 08:33.50 | Guerin | unveiling the -fryup patchset |
| 08:33.56 | berky | Guerin: LOL |
| 08:33.56 | Pasamio | lol |
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| 08:34.09 | bisquit | So I shouldn't run: aptitude install fuck-my-shit-up-kernel-image ? |
| 08:34.09 | Pasamio | berky: modern kernels are mostly idiot proof wrt destroying hardware |
| 08:34.12 | Guerin | berky: don't worry about it, they're just trying to give you the screaming willies |
| 08:34.16 | Guerin | and succeeding |
| 08:34.20 | berky | Yes, they are. |
| 08:34.31 | Pasamio | i remember one sound card... |
| 08:34.32 | peterS | don't forget the famous fry the monitor with the wrong XFree86 modeline thing |
| 08:34.33 | mdh | berky: we're joking. mostly. :) |
| 08:34.33 | berky | Pasamio: That's good because I'm an idiot. |
| 08:35.01 | Guerin | peterS: that's a goody, but not explicitly a kernel vconfig thing... though I guess it probably could be. |
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| 08:35.18 | peterS | Guerin: right, but same class of things. modern monitors won't let you fry them that way |
| 08:35.25 | berky | peterS: That's something. |
| 08:35.27 | Guerin | peterS: yeah. |
| 08:35.33 | peterS | ...modern meaning less than 10 years old |
| 08:35.33 | Guerin | and lcds are safe. |
| 08:36.06 | berky | Guerin: That's good. I bought myself an expensive one recently. |
| 08:36.10 | mdh | yeah, anything in the last 10 years won't let you do fun things with it |
| 08:36.19 | berky | Guerin: If anything happened to it, I would shoot myself. |
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| 08:36.26 | mdh | like concentrate all the light onto one pixel, burning a hole in the front |
| 08:36.32 | berky | mdh: LOL |
| 08:36.32 | Guerin | berky: of course you realise that new, expensive monitors are much more likely to blow up than old cheap ones? |
| 08:36.44 | Guerin | berky: it's a manifestation of the Murphy's Bathtub Curve |
| 08:36.47 | berky | Guerin: But it's a pretty LCD. Did I mention it's pretty? :) |
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| 08:36.50 | mdh | or generating enough heat to melt the casing |
| 08:36.52 | Guerin | oh |
| 08:36.57 | Guerin | lcds are safe :( |
| 08:37.01 | berky | Guerin: YAY |
| 08:37.02 | bisquit | So what does sticker at the bottom of these devices mean then, if they "will not let me do fun things with them?" |
| 08:37.31 | berky | bisquit: I don't know, you can do some fun things with them. If you open one up and don't know what you're doing, you can potentially kill yourself. That might be "fun". |
| 08:37.44 | berky | bisquit: Your sticker might be related to that. |
| 08:37.47 | bisquit | The one that says something like "This device conforms to the RFC blaablaa standards number yadayada, and thus a) must not cause any interference to other devices and b) has to accept any interference given, even possible harmful one", or something? |
| 08:37.56 | mdh | bisquit: the one labelled "open other side" ? ;) |
| 08:38.00 | berky | mdh: LOL |
| 08:38.07 | bisquit | Pft! :P |
| 08:38.09 | berky | bisquit: That's a regulatory requirement. :) |
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| 08:38.18 | Guerin | "This way down. Do not invert." |
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| 08:38.34 | berky | bisquit: I don't think it's RFC; I think it's FCC. Or are we using RFC to determine interference standards now. :) |
| 08:38.35 | SiathLinux | Good morning, anyone have a link to a small (*easily downloaded) version of Debian? |
| 08:38.37 | berky | guerin: LOL |
| 08:38.48 | mdh | "if you are reading this, your new thing is now fucked because YOU TURNED IT UPSIDE DOWN YOU MORON" |
| 08:38.49 | bisquit | No I think it's FCC too, but close enough. :P |
| 08:38.56 | Guerin | SiathLinux: cdimage.debian.org - businesscard iso ~30MB |
| 08:38.57 | berky | mdh: LOL |
| 08:39.17 | SiathLinux | Guerin, that kicks but... THANX |
| 08:39.19 | Guerin | and then there's the old chestnut: "Not To Be Used For The Other Use." |
| 08:39.20 | Pasamio | SiathLinux: i'd go for the net install version, 100mb |
| 08:39.20 | mdh | "if you can read this - your carpet is wet and your fish are dying/dead" |
| 08:39.22 | peterS | right, FCC. electronics give off EM radiation so the FCC feels it has jurisdiction over making sure they don't give off the wrong kinds |
| 08:39.27 | berky | Guerin: Yes, I love that one. |
| 08:39.58 | berky | mdh: That explains why his monitor is stuck on the aquarium screensaver. :) |
| 08:40.01 | SiathLinux | Pasamio, I'm Dial up.... net install ain't gonna happen....(ISP sucks.) |
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| 08:40.16 | Guerin | SiathLinux: oh.... the businesscard is still for netinstalls. |
| 08:40.25 | Pasamio | SiathLinux: then my suggestion is that you get the first cd, 647MB, but the most essential |
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| 08:40.45 | berky | SiathLinux: Have you looked at Damn Small Linux? That might be more what you want. |
| 08:40.48 | Guerin | SiathLinux: you want to download all of CD1 and install of that, probably - should only take you a night. Otherwise, cd sets are cheap. |
| 08:40.55 | SiathLinux | I d/l it twice on my in laws hi speed but the sucker won't boot.... |
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| 08:41.09 | Pasamio | what did you use to burn it? |
| 08:41.16 | peterS | SiathLinux: make sure you burned it as a CD image, not as a file *on* a CD |
| 08:41.30 | berky | SiathLinux: Also make sure the computer's BIOS is configured to boot from CD. |
| 08:41.46 | bisquit | Yeah, what they said. |
| 08:41.48 | peterS | ...also, make sure the computer's BIOS is new enough to boot the Windows 2000 installer |
| 08:41.49 | berky | Sometimes it's the obvious things that get overlooked. |
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| 08:41.55 | peterS | that's the mode Debian uses now |
| 08:42.07 | SiathLinux | Don't know what the first program was called....But the Second was Nero....and it was set to make bootable, and both were ISO image burns. |
| 08:42.17 | peterS | I'm not sure all computer bioses will boot that |
| 08:42.26 | Guerin | damnit, i need some way of watching tv from home on the internet |
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| 08:42.33 | Pasamio | nero is evil, it doesn't work to make proper bootable cds |
| 08:42.40 | SiathLinux | The bis on my system can boot from anything anywhere... |
| 08:42.51 | berky | Pasamio: Seriously? |
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| 08:42.54 | Guerin | i wonder how plausible it is to get my mate dan to record and stream tv to me in real time |
| 08:43.07 | peterS | Guerin: you have entirely too much bandwidth |
| 08:43.08 | SiathLinux | guess I could try to burn it on my kids Mandrake box with K3B.... |
| 08:43.12 | Pasamio | berky: yes, i've had issues with nero |
| 08:43.22 | Guerin | peterS: and my mate dan works for an ISP in NZ :) |
| 08:43.24 | Pasamio | SiathLinux: i prefer xcdroast, but thats life |
| 08:43.27 | peterS | heh |
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| 08:43.39 | Pasamio | Guerin: you're a kiwi? |
| 08:43.53 | peterS | Pasamio: even worse, he's an expat kiwi |
| 08:44.03 | Guerin | how fast a box would be needed to record TV and reencode down to sane streaming quality in realtime? Is it even possible with commodity hardware/ |
| 08:44.06 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:44.07 | Guerin | Pasamio: I am. |
| 08:44.16 | SiathLinux | xcdroast I've used, K3b is just easier for me....I see why ya like xc tho... |
| 08:45.12 | berky | I visited an airport in NZ once. It was very... airport-ish. |
| 08:45.20 | Guerin | peterS: there's well over a million of us out of NZ ... probably some living within beer-bottle range of your house, so I'd watch my lip if I were you :) |
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| 08:45.31 | Pasamio | lol |
| 08:45.34 | berky | guerin: Unless you have very good catch. |
| 08:45.35 | peterS | Guerin: doesn't seem out of reach. not sure what the CPU requirements would be but people do use regular CPUs to run the Real encoders in real time |
| 08:45.47 | peterS | Guerin: I meant 'even worse' in terms of your proposed use of bandwidth |
| 08:45.57 | Pasamio | i don't like the fact that kiwi's have airport taxes seperate |
| 08:45.59 | Pasamio | so old fashioned |
| 08:46.09 | Guerin | peterS: heh. Yeah, there's not a lot of it to waste in NZ... |
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| 08:46.19 | berky | Pasamio: What, you want them included in your ticket? |
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| 08:46.30 | Pasamio | berky: like every other modern country |
| 08:46.34 | berky | RuffianSoldier: Welcome back. |
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| 08:46.48 | berky | Pasamio: But then you don't know how much tax you're paying. You can bitch to your friends about it. |
| 08:47.13 | Guerin | hrm, so all I need to do is buy a cheap headless athlon, ship it to dan, get him to plug it into the inspire LAN, get me a shell account on the router so I can get in, and ... |
| 08:47.16 | Pasamio | berky: i don't care, i bitch about having to pay the tax and have it shoved in my face |
| 08:47.28 | SiathLinux | berky, what kernel is damn small linux? |
| 08:47.29 | Guerin | this is sounding less plausible, suddenly. |
| 08:47.40 | peterS | Guerin: right, with a TV capture card supported by linux one way or another |
| 08:47.49 | Guerin | peterS: oh yeah, that too |
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| 08:47.55 | berky | SiathLinux: I've never used it myself. I just know it's very small. Sorry. |
| 08:48.09 | SiathLinux | berky, no problem..... |
| 08:48.14 | peterS | Guerin: on the bright side, I doubt it would require much memory |
| 08:48.20 | berky | SiathLinux: If you check it out in Google, you might find that info. |
| 08:48.21 | Guerin | peterS: my wife will go insane if she can't watch cricket this summer |
| 08:48.31 | Guerin | peterS: wouldn't need a pretty case either |
| 08:48.35 | peterS | right |
| 08:48.39 | mdh | there's more kiwis in .au than there are in .nz |
| 08:48.46 | Guerin | those internet tv tuner spyware apps are all shit |
| 08:48.53 | Guerin | mdh: not quite. |
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| 08:49.01 | Pasamio | mdh: we have better centrelink and the like :p |
| 08:49.04 | mdh | .au has more sheep per capita. |
| 08:49.11 | Guerin | that IS true |
| 08:49.13 | berky | mdh: Ho ho |
| 08:49.24 | Guerin | and worse beer |
| 08:49.25 | Pasamio | yeah, but we don't have it all over the tourist shops |
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| 08:49.29 | mdh | debate is open as to whether these two facts are correlated ;) |
| 08:49.32 | gilv | how to register a nickname ? |
| 08:49.33 | Pasamio | Guerin: south island? |
| 08:49.41 | peterS | gilv: /msg nickserv help |
| 08:49.45 | SiathLinux | berky, I'm used to Mandrake 10.0 but cannon reinstall as there is a LARGE scratch on my CD, SO I'd decided to get FC4....but it won't boot, so I tried Deb and it won't boot, so I needed something that would boot... |
| 08:49.49 | Guerin | Pasamio: no, that'd crowd out the tacky kangaroo and koala tat |
| 08:49.53 | Guerin | Pasamio: Wellington |
| 08:50.04 | berky | SiathLinux: Have you tried the "DiscDoctor" / "DVDDoctor"? |
| 08:50.06 | Pasamio | ahhh, i was thinking you were one of those south island peoples |
| 08:50.16 | Pasamio | with their assortment of dark beers |
| 08:50.24 | SiathLinux | That I could DL on my daughters computer, which has a 33.6 modem on it. |
| 08:50.39 | berky | Pasamio: I had Kilkenny tonight. Now that's a beer! |
| 08:50.45 | Guerin | Pasamio: the old man's family is from southland. All the good beer does seem to come from down there, though. |
| 08:50.54 | Guerin | ah, proper beer |
| 08:50.57 | Guerin | how I miss thee |
| 08:51.04 | berky | SiathLinux: It's a small device that repairs DVDs and CDs. I have one. It works great! |
| 08:51.09 | SiathLinux | berky yeah, but this scratch ain't gonna fix, it aparently right across the LILO stuff on the CD |
| 08:51.12 | Pasamio | lol |
| 08:51.19 | Pasamio | i'll take a XXXX thanks :p |
| 08:51.23 | berky | SiathLinux: Well, if it's super deep, it might be hopeless. |
| 08:51.27 | SiathLinux | so I can load but I cant boot. |
| 08:51.29 | Guerin | bloody queenslanders |
| 08:51.38 | mdh | they can't even spell "beer" |
| 08:51.40 | Pasamio | damn straight |
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| 08:51.46 | berky | Guerin: If it's not good beer, what's the point? It's like buying cheap wine. |
| 08:51.56 | Pasamio | cheap nz wine at that |
| 08:52.02 | Pasamio | :p |
| 08:52.13 | Guerin | berky: as we say in NZ, all beer is good, but some beer is better. Sometimes shit beer is all you can get. |
| 08:52.32 | berky | Pasamio: I have a soft spot for Australian wine now that we're on the topic... Wolf Blass Pinot Noir... Yum. |
| 08:52.44 | berky | guerin: If only that were true. Some beer isn't good. :) |
| 08:52.50 | Guerin | berky: true. |
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| 08:53.02 | Pasamio | berky: hear hear |
| 08:53.02 | Guerin | please don't get me started on wine. |
| 08:53.03 | berky | Man, it's a different crowd at this time of day! |
| 08:53.03 | wlj | exit |
| 08:53.04 | wlj | quit |
| 08:53.05 | mdh | berky: that beer we export to other countries, it's called "fosters" |
| 08:53.14 | berky | wlj: /leave |
| 08:53.14 | Pasamio | lol |
| 08:53.21 | SiathLinux | lol mdh |
| 08:53.24 | Pasamio | fosters is crap, not one of my favourites either |
| 08:53.27 | wlj | exit |
| 08:53.29 | mdh | berky: "fosters" is .au slang for "the slop at the bottom of the public urinal" |
| 08:53.30 | Guerin | fosters is about 50% better than the best local beer here |
| 08:53.36 | Pasamio | coopers have a nice stout |
| 08:53.44 | berky | mdh: I've heard Foster's is pretty gross, but I've never tried it. |
| 08:53.45 | Guerin | unfortunately it's 100% more expensive |
| 08:54.02 | mdh | berky: take my advice - don't try it ;) |
| 08:54.09 | Guerin | bah, it's cold and fizzy and tastes vaguely of beer. |
| 08:54.10 | berky | mdh: I probably won't. I don't go in for lager that much. |
| 08:54.14 | berky | guerin: LOL |
| 08:54.20 | Guerin | really |
| 08:54.27 | Guerin | come and live in asia for a few years |
| 08:54.39 | Pasamio | lol, tiger beer! |
| 08:54.41 | berky | Guerin: Where do you live? |
| 08:54.42 | Pasamio | hahaha |
| 08:54.52 | Pasamio | that was the only _true_ local beer |
| 08:54.52 | mdh | tiger is great ;) |
| 08:54.53 | Guerin | you'll come home and cry tears of joy into pints of very average pub beer when you return |
| 08:54.58 | Guerin | tiger is pretty good |
| 08:54.58 | Pasamio | everything was like carlseburg |
| 08:55.07 | Guerin | singha is too |
| 08:55.17 | Guerin | all the korean beers are weasel's piss, though |
| 08:55.23 | berky | guerin: You're in Korea? |
| 08:55.35 | Guerin | berky: you don't miss a thing. |
| 08:55.45 | berky | Guerin: LOL. Me smart. |
| 08:55.49 | Pasamio | lol |
| 08:56.12 | Guerin | and what's worse, it's 35 degrees and I can't drink it because i'm on medication which fucks me up bad enough while sober |
| 08:56.16 | peterS | apparently berky hasn't been here for the discussions between Guerin and karsten about spamming ISPs |
| 08:56.28 | Guerin | evidently not |
| 08:56.31 | berky | Guerin: I will have a beer for you then. |
| 08:56.39 | berky | peterS: I don't think so. He seems new. |
| 08:56.51 | Guerin | liable threatened to tell me the rugger score the other day and I threatened to DOS him |
| 08:57.05 | berky | Guerin: Seems fair. |
| 08:57.05 | peterS | berky: eh? I've known both Guerin and karsten quite awhile now |
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| 08:57.18 | Guerin | peterS: the royal 'he'? |
| 08:57.19 | mdh | Guerin: between the all blacks and the lions? |
| 08:57.19 | berky | peterS: I was talking about myself in the third person. :) |
| 08:57.25 | peterS | berky: ahhh |
| 08:57.26 | Guerin | mdh: second test, yeah. |
| 08:57.47 | mdh | Guerin: you're waiting to watch it and don't want to know? |
| 08:57.54 | berky | The All-Blacks won, didn't they? |
| 08:57.56 | Guerin | naw, seen it already |
| 08:57.59 | berky | Damn. |
| 08:58.04 | berky | I was just making htat up to piss you off. :) |
| 08:58.09 | mdh | berky: by the skin of their teeth ;) |
| 08:58.20 | Guerin | mdh: by about 30 points |
| 08:58.38 | mdh | you say tomato, I say tomato |
| 08:58.41 | Guerin | rugby bores the hell out of me, usually, but i've been laid up sick and i'm bored senseless, i'll watch anything that takes 2 hours... |
| 08:58.53 | mdh | wait... that doesn't have the same punch in ascii :( |
| 08:59.03 | peterS | mdh: heh |
| 08:59.06 | Pasamio | bloody netsplit |
| 08:59.07 | berky | mdh: Yeah, I had to read it twice. :) |
| 08:59.09 | mdh | Guerin: you could watch "titanic" - that's 4 hours ;) |
| 08:59.13 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:59.14 | olorin_ | hello all, is there any way to downgrade a package ? |
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| 08:59.20 | berky | OMG |
| 08:59.23 | berky | A Linux question! |
| 08:59.32 | Pasamio | mmm, i was getting used to sport and beer |
| 08:59.34 | peterS | olorin_: not really. you can 'dpkg -i' an older .deb file, but that's never been and probably never will be supported officially |
| 08:59.39 | mdh | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 08:59.46 | Pasamio | olorin_: not easily |
| 08:59.46 | peterS | olorin_: it'll usually work but when it fails you've got a real mess on your hands |
| 08:59.53 | olorin_ | i mean, i want to test the x.org backport, is there any way to downgrade to xfree after ? |
| 09:00.06 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 09:00.12 | peterS | olorin_: that's not a matter of downgrading but of installing / uninstalling things |
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| 09:00.15 | berky | Pasamio: Me too. |
| 09:00.25 | peterS | olorin_: talking about people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg/ ? |
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| 09:00.41 | Pasamio | olorin_: there are tutorials on compiling it under a seperate tree so it won't break anything :p |
| 09:01.10 | olorin_ | Pasamio: ok, i thing it's a good idea to proceed like this |
| 09:01.10 | peterS | Pasamio: installing unofficial debs is a much better strategy for something as complex as the X source |
| 09:01.26 | Pasamio | bah, its only X |
| 09:01.38 | Pasamio | its not like its a display system or anything :p |
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| 09:01.57 | hid3 | Hello everyone.. I've purchased a gigabit Broadcom 5701 network adapter whick requires 66MHz PCI slot. However, my workstation has only 32 bit, 33 Mhz PCI slots.. What maximum speed can I expect adapter in such conditions? |
| 09:02.17 | Pasamio | hid3: it'd be a stupid guess, but i'd say 66mhz |
| 09:02.19 | Pasamio | :p |
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| 09:02.23 | Pasamio | rofl, i'm bored |
| 09:02.24 | Radius_Vector | Can anyone please tell me the name of the main Java package (with VM) so that I can apt-get it? |
| 09:02.28 | Pasamio | the max it'll go is 33mhz |
| 09:02.34 | SiathLinux | hid3, does it even FIT into the slot... |
| 09:02.40 | Pasamio | can't go any faster than its host bus |
| 09:02.45 | hid3 | SiathLinux: yes, it does |
| 09:02.56 | peterS | hid3: 32 bit 33 MHz has a theoretical limit of a couple gigabits |
| 09:02.58 | mdh | Radius_Vector: gcj/gij ? |
| 09:03.03 | drac | !tell Radius_Vector about java-package |
| 09:03.05 | peterS | hid3: but you won't have much bandwidth for anything else |
| 09:03.09 | hid3 | it even works in it .. |
| 09:03.14 | Pasamio | mmm |
| 09:03.22 | Pasamio | java-package, i had a tutorial for that somewhere |
| 09:03.28 | peterS | wait, maybe less |
| 09:03.30 | Pasamio | using the sun jre |
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| 09:03.50 | drac | Pasamio: You don't need much howto for one command.. fakeroot make-jpkg package.bin : ) |
| 09:04.02 | peterS | hid3: if your IDE controller is on the same PCI bus as the gigabit card, they'll have to share bandwidth that the one doesn't have enough of in the first place |
| 09:04.03 | Pasamio | it was a three step howto :p |
| 09:04.10 | drac | wow :) |
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| 09:04.27 | hid3 | peterS: I understand now.. Thanks.. |
| 09:04.28 | Pasamio | download, your command (which i can never remember because i'm lazy), and dpkg -i :p |
| 09:04.30 | Radius_Vector | Thanks guys, one more question, can alien convert *ALL* the rpms into debs or are there limitations? |
| 09:04.54 | Pasamio | if you can get debs, get debs, alien isn't perfect, but it does a brilliant job |
| 09:04.59 | peterS | Radius_Vector: there are limitations of the information in an rpm that can be translated to deb format. but I think within those limitations, all rpms can be converted |
| 09:05.34 | SiathLinux | Radius_Vector, with that I could all my Mandrake and FC toys in Debian.... |
| 09:05.41 | peterS | speaking of which, here's a shout-out to bittorrent 4.x, which is provided in .deb format on the web site ... *converted from .tgz by alien* |
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| 09:05.45 | SiathLinux | gonna have to get that.. |
| 09:05.47 | peterS | how useless is that? |
| 09:06.01 | Radius_Vector | well unfortunately good apps are mostly rpms :( , and yeah till now alien has been doing a brilliant job |
| 09:06.02 | Eulex | Radius_Vector, though I consider it better to manually compile and install than to use alien to convert from rpm |
| 09:06.13 | caphuso | peterS: on a scale from 1 to 10? a lot |
| 09:06.14 | Pasamio | SiathLinux: which toys? a lot will be in tgz or deb anyway |
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| 09:06.19 | Radius_Vector | Eulex: Isnt that tedious? |
| 09:06.22 | Monsibram | how can i increase/decrease the volume from console? Or better, volume from xmms? |
| 09:06.30 | peterS | Monsibram: on console - run aumix |
| 09:06.33 | kate | anyone who hav worked with sqlgrey |
| 09:06.34 | hruske | hello, does anybody know where to check all the preferences i can set with apt-config |
| 09:06.43 | Radius_Vector | Monsibram: Get a mixer. XMMS has a bar which you can push. |
| 09:07.02 | Monsibram | Radius_Vector, i want to use my multimedia keys for that |
| 09:07.07 | tarzeau | modplugplay has + and - |
| 09:07.07 | SiathLinux | I'm on my Windows (don't kill me.....) system right now..so I can't look at all the names .. |
| 09:07.10 | Eulex | Radius_Vector, it may be |
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| 09:07.20 | Eulex | Monsibram, try xbindkeys |
| 09:07.20 | tarzeau | (from xmms-modplug), and volumecontrol.app is fantastic |
| 09:07.33 | Radius_Vector | Monsibram: you might have to config your keyboard, did you do that? |
| 09:07.37 | Pasamio | SiathLinux: don't worry, i'm on a system that allegedly shouldn't be working (?!?) |
| 09:07.40 | Pasamio | :p |
| 09:07.43 | peterS | caphuso: oh well. at least they violate debian policy by providing binaries with .py extensions, and use a version number in the package name. that way it doesn't conflict with other bittorrent packages |
| 09:07.46 | Radius_Vector | Pasamio: lol |
| 09:08.03 | Pasamio | sid is unstable, but only if you like hal |
| 09:08.06 | SiathLinux | Pasamio, yeah but I'm on ME.... |
| 09:08.11 | kate | anyone who hav worked with sqlgre |
| 09:08.13 | Pasamio | hahahahahaha |
| 09:08.18 | Pasamio | SiathLinux: you poor fool |
| 09:08.19 | SpamHog | SSiathLinux: please don't remind me (WinME :( ) |
| 09:08.23 | Monsibram | Radius_Vector, yes, i use lineakd, but now i need a command to change the volume. all the other buttons work with xmms -p and so on |
| 09:08.29 | berky | God, yes, WinME is the ultimate dog. |
| 09:08.47 | peterS | worse than windows95 original edition? |
| 09:08.50 | mdh | even Microsoft abandoned ME and made out like it never existed |
| 09:08.54 | berky | peters: YES |
| 09:09.02 | Eulex | yesh, it's the most unstable version of windows ever |
| 09:09.04 | berky | peterS: It was COMPLETELY broken IMO. |
| 09:09.05 | Radius_Vector | Monsibram: type 'aumix' at console |
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| 09:09.06 | SpamHog | woof woof! but if you gut it and put in enuf floss, you can make it almost useable |
| 09:09.33 | SiathLinux | At least the sucker boots right now which is more than I can say for my Mandrake on this box, or my Mandrake CD or my Corel OS (linux)_CD or any of my d/l distos at the moment... |
| 09:09.51 | berky | peterS: My professional response to someone asking for help with Windows ME: upgrade to Windows 98. |
| 09:10.08 | SpamHog | berky: how true |
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| 09:10.13 | SiathLinux | berky, I agree with that statement. |
| 09:10.16 | Radius_Vector | Debian is so comfy . I love you guys who develop this stuff. :-) lol |
| 09:10.16 | peterS | berky: that's what I did to the one machine I encountered on ME. purely on its reputation - I didn't use it enough to know if that was the right thing to do |
| 09:10.27 | berky | peterS: It was. |
| 09:10.40 | Pasamio | berky: well said |
| 09:10.59 | Monsibram | Radiance, works, thx |
| 09:11.12 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: here is mostly users, not develops guys |
| 09:11.20 | SiathLinux | Yeah, I've had to do a lot of 'fixing' to keep this box stable with me |
| 09:11.27 | Radius_Vector | tarzeau: They do turn up once in a while |
| 09:11.27 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: besides, there's also womens who develops this comfy stuff |
| 09:11.40 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: what's your favourite top ten packages? |
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| 09:11.47 | berky | tarzeau: Among some English speakers "guy" is not gender specific when used in the plural. |
| 09:11.48 | SpamHog | I couldn't use WinME if I weren't using Linux to image & restore it every time it barfs |
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| 09:12.01 | tarzeau | berky: oh , didn't know |
| 09:12.06 | peterS | tarzeau: in debian? not statistically significant. mostly they translate stuff and maintain websites, I think |
| 09:12.07 | VEKPOS | hello! whats the command to move a window to the left desktop? |
| 09:12.14 | berky | tarzeau: Yeah, it sounds a bit weird to me too, but it's true. |
| 09:12.15 | SpamHog | (don't use WinXX if you have a plush carpet) |
| 09:12.23 | SiathLinux | SpamHog, how'd you know how I fixed it ?? |
| 09:12.30 | berky | tarzeau: But it doesn't hurt to remind people that there are talented women in software development. :) |
| 09:12.36 | kate | hi all.i hav a doubt with slqgrey.wen upgrading frm sqlgrey-1.6.0 to slqgrey-1.6.2.am facing a problem with sqlgrey.conf.the latest upgrade is placing its conf file in /etc/sqlgrey/sqlgrey.conf but previouslt it was placing it in /etc/.now i want to know whether tht is any diff btn slqgrey conf file of 1.2 version and the conf of sqlgrey-1.6.2.someone can help me out??? |
| 09:12.39 | Monsibram | Radius_Vector, but is there a change to control the volume in xmms directly? |
| 09:12.44 | Eulex | VEKPOS, depends on your wm |
| 09:12.59 | peterS | berky: I've heard the rumors. I can only think of a couple, though. other women in software development relegate themselves to documentation and translation type stuff |
| 09:13.01 | VEKPOS | oh, i got gnome |
| 09:13.07 | tarzeau | berky: it more likely was a call and appell to get more involved |
| 09:13.09 | sep_ | im having problems with a lp0 conencted inkjet printer. all printouts disapere into a black hole. is it possible to test printers using echo "text" > /dev/lp0 ?? should that function ? |
| 09:13.15 | tarzeau | Phated, hello |
| 09:13.31 | tarzeau | VEKPOS: pity GNOME can't manage x windows |
| 09:13.32 | SpamHog | SiathLinux: ?? what do u mean? |
| 09:13.39 | Radius_Vector | tarzeau: LOL you know, id rather get women who hang out in nightclubs than those who write software ;-) |
| 09:13.44 | SiathLinux | sep_, do ya have the right drivers for the printer..? |
| 09:13.56 | tarzeau | Radius_Vector: i don' |
| 09:14.02 | tarzeau | t care as long as she looks like i like them |
| 09:14.08 | SpamHog | Radius_Vector: the developer next door is cute! |
| 09:14.12 | sep_ | SiathLinux, i'm using the recomended driver, and i'v tried all of the non recomended ones also |
| 09:14.14 | Radius_Vector | lol |
| 09:14.21 | berky | Radius_Vector: You're missing out. I'll take a smart woman over an inebriated one. :) |
| 09:14.27 | VEKPOS | i can control them, but only with keyboard-association in the menu, which doesn't supports my multimedia-keys |
| 09:14.49 | Radius_Vector | berky: You do realize the consequences of marrying a smart woman.. :P |
| 09:14.51 | Pasamio | VEKPOS: so you can move the windows or not? |
| 09:14.53 | SiathLinux | SpamHog, I don't have my original CD, and ME backup thing is broken, it saves the backup stuff, but it can't seem to use it...I used Linux to change that and then it was able to 'restore'.. |
| 09:14.55 | berky | Radius_Vector: Yes, I did it once. |
| 09:15.01 | sep_ | but i was trying to test the printer port and printer by printing us-asci directly to the lp0 port |
| 09:15.09 | VEKPOS | i can, but not with multimedia-keys |
| 09:15.14 | Pasamio | aha |
| 09:15.15 | Radius_Vector | berky : update me now? |
| 09:15.23 | Pasamio | gnome doesn't really support user keybindings |
| 09:15.25 | VEKPOS | so i want to do this with xbindkeys... |
| 09:15.30 | SiathLinux | sep_, I dunno then... |
| 09:15.33 | berky | Radius_Vector: She dumped me because I was "too smart". |
| 09:15.33 | Pasamio | and i don't think that changing wm is one of them |
| 09:15.40 | berky | Radius_Vector: Figure that out. |
| 09:15.49 | Pasamio | changing wm desktop* |
| 09:15.56 | Radius_Vector | berky: LOOL good one. |
| 09:15.57 | peterS | berky: sounds like an evasion |
| 09:16.13 | sep_ | if anyone with a lp0 connected printer could try echo "hello" > /dev/lp0 and confirm if that works |
| 09:16.21 | Radius_Vector | berky: And besides, she could be lying coz shes smart enuf to fool you ;-) |
| 09:16.32 | SpamHog | SiathLinux: same here! Sys. Restore just produced undecipherable crud, gigabytes of it! |
| 09:16.37 | peterS | sep_: works with some printer types, not others |
| 09:16.39 | berky | peterS: Sure does, but I think there was truth in it. I think she had a self-image problem. Not that I was greatly smarter than her, but she had convinced herself of that fact early in the relationship and couldn't get out from under it. |
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| 09:16.43 | RoyK | hi |
| 09:16.45 | jm_ | sep_: it depends on the printer |
| 09:16.49 | Pasamio | everyone knows winme didn't work |
| 09:16.54 | peterS | berky: oh, that's also possible |
| 09:16.54 | RoyK | is there a debian x86-64 install cd? |
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| 09:17.04 | SiathLinux | SpamHog, yeah that's exactly what it did when I tried it... |
| 09:17.06 | berky | Anyway, women are far more complicated than Linux. We should probably try to stick to something we can figure out. :) |
| 09:17.10 | SpamHog | Some ppl think ME was designed to kill Win9x aread of the XP launch. |
| 09:17.14 | peterS | RoyK: yes. see http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 |
| 09:17.15 | Pasamio | RoyK: there is an unofficial amd 64 build |
| 09:17.24 | Radius_Vector | ok guys, whats the diff between this java-common package and java-package package? |
| 09:17.29 | berky | SpamHog: Well, it worked, whether it was intentional or not. :) |
| 09:17.44 | SiathLinux | I gotta go to work... |
| 09:17.52 | SiathLinux | later ppl |
| 09:17.53 | nvz | berky: or just stop trying to understand and listen sometimes things are less complicated than they seem |
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| 09:18.00 | peterS | SpamHog: the right way to do *that* would have been to release nt5 and *not* winme at all. as originally planned. |
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| 09:18.13 | berky | nvz: You assume I don't listen? I was only being facetious. |
| 09:18.17 | Radius_Vector | peterS: Why the talk about wintendo? |
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| 09:18.23 | peterS | Radius_Vector: I didn't start it |
| 09:18.28 | sep_ | jm_, i know, but www.linuxprinting.org claims my epson C670 supports us-asci input |
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| 09:18.51 | berky | peterS: How would the release of NT5 kill Win9X? |
| 09:18.58 | jm_ | sep_: Epsons typically do yes - have you read parport.txt? |
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| 09:19.03 | SpamHog | Is Microsoft part of the divine plan for the salvation of mankind, along with pestilence, war, etc? |
| 09:19.08 | meursault | hi guys - i have a dualboot system with win2k and debian. unfortunately the debinstaller didnt recognize the win2kstuff, and if i add it manually like the example in the menu.lst it doesnt work. i get grub error 12 |
| 09:19.10 | berky | peterS: Or you just mean it would have happened anyway, without ME? |
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| 09:19.21 | nvz | berky: listening involves letting things swirl around in your head a moment, and generating a response. A woman doesnt know you are listening if all you do is listen :P |
| 09:19.28 | mdh | SpamHog: it's all four horseman plus cthulu |
| 09:19.31 | peterS | berky: right. when MS stops supporting something (say win98), it goes away. ME being crap didn't really change that |
| 09:19.40 | berky | peterS: True enough. |
| 09:19.48 | Overand | eh |
| 09:19.49 | mdh | SpamHog: with a side order of Gomer Pile ;) |
| 09:19.53 | Overand | win98 hasn't "gone away" |
| 09:20.18 | peterS | berky: it might have made people lose faith in the win9x line, but really, corporate IT already had zero faith in it - they went straight for win2000 |
| 09:20.26 | berky | Overand: It hasn't, but only because it's viable for machines that don't meet the requirements of NT-based Windows. |
| 09:20.38 | SpamHog | mdh: rotfl! - (I've been reading the Apocalypse lately, in preparation for the EU parliament vote on SW patentability.) |
| 09:20.42 | berky | peterS: And I had zero faith in it and did the same. :) |
| 09:20.52 | mdh | peterS: government & big business tend to skip every second release |
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| 09:20.54 | Radius_Vector | just a thought...if everyone of us here and in the GNU put in 20 bucks, would there be enuf cash to buy microshaft and wintendo? |
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| 09:20.57 | Overand | berky: looks like that stripped down 'p3 only' version of windows might be an interesting move on their part |
| 09:21.07 | mdh | peterS: its usually a budget thing |
| 09:21.24 | peterS | mdh: sure, but which releases they skip depend on internal cycles that won't be synchronised with the rest of the world |
| 09:21.29 | berky | Overand: Yes, but I doubt they'll ever release such a thing, sadly. |
| 09:21.42 | SpamHog | MS HATES Win98 cept as a placeholder that keept Linux off old gear. |
| 09:21.45 | sep_ | jm_, kernel source ? seeing if i can find it |
| 09:21.49 | mdh | peterS: sometimes they're not synchronised with the rest of the department, let alone anything else ;) |
| 09:21.59 | jm_ | sep_: or kernel docs package - you can also find it online |
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| 09:22.28 | Overand | berky: i'm pretty sure it's in the workds |
| 09:22.33 | peterS | "The only people who care about Windows 9x are the poor bastards flogging the dead horse that is Windows Millenium Edition." - Paul Collins on why it's ok to insult win95 in the presence of microsoft people |
| 09:22.47 | peterS | several years ago |
| 09:22.47 | berky | Overand: Really? I'm surprised they'd put effort into supporting those older computers. If they do, great. |
| 09:22.58 | Overand | berky: it's a big markey they're ignoring |
| 09:23.22 | berky | Overand: Perhaps, but it's shrinking, not growing. |
| 09:23.38 | mdh | Overand: they make enoguh now, supporting old hardware would then kill that revenue in support costs |
| 09:23.53 | peterS | berky: what's this? something pentium III specific? that's not particularly shrinking, if you consider a Pentium M to be a Pentium III |
| 09:23.53 | SpamHog | Overand: only relevant in the developing world anyway... |
| 09:23.59 | sep_ | jm_, can it be called joystick-parport.txt (2.6.8) |
| 09:24.06 | berky | Overand: Besides which, what real competition do they have on the desktop in that computing class? Not many average consumers are going to shift to Linux. |
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| 09:24.32 | berky | peterS: The Pentium M systems can't run newer Windows OSes? |
| 09:24.52 | peterS | berky: sure they can, as can Pentium III systems. I'm not sure what this topic is about, so I'm trying to find out |
| 09:25.11 | berky | peterS: Actually, this is true. I don't know either. |
| 09:25.11 | Eulex | berky, pentium m's are based on p3 |
| 09:25.22 | berky | peterS: It's 2:30 in the morning here. :) |
| 09:25.42 | SpamHog | berky: old, weak HW + Linux is all that many transaction processing seats require - why give WMP to call centers etc? Linux is growing faster there than on the consumer desktop. |
| 09:25.43 | peterS | berky: presumably this has something to do with tighter memory requirements rather than CPU models |
| 09:25.54 | Overand | peterS: i'm talking about a version of XP (or something else?) that they were supposedly developing that would check the CPUI ID on boot |
| 09:26.02 | Overand | a cheaper version of a stripped down version of windows for older hardware |
| 09:26.04 | peterS | Overand: oh? to what end? |
| 09:26.09 | berky | peterS: Yes, I think so. |
| 09:26.20 | peterS | overand: ...so you'd pay less for a copy of windows that would not run on modern hardware? |
| 09:26.31 | SpamHog | Overand: CPUID - isn't that part of the registration check anyway? |
| 09:27.03 | berky | SpamHog: But presumably this special version would fail if the CPU ID were too recent. |
| 09:27.15 | SpamHog | Ah! |
| 09:27.26 | Pasamio | berky has hit the mark |
| 09:27.35 | SpamHog | Rearguard sniping! |
| 09:27.35 | peterS | so in *that* context, a Pentium M would *not* be considered a Pentium III |
| 09:27.38 | peterS | since it's more recent |
| 09:27.43 | berky | SpamHog: But I think peterS is right. In my experience, the memory requirements are a bigger hurdle than CPU-class for making the transition to XP. |
| 09:27.44 | Overand | ugh it probably wasn't CPU ID anyway |
| 09:27.51 | Overand | maybe |
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| 09:27.57 | Pasamio | limiting windows to specific hardware to prevent people using the cheaper versions on newer hardware |
| 09:28.02 | londonboi2k3 | Morning guys, I need to reboot my PC at home after my upgrade, I need it to mail me the new IP address I know i can use ifconfig | mail myemail@address.com but where do i need to put a script and how would it be formed? Thanks |
| 09:28.05 | Overand | all i know is designed to fail on p4 hardware 'too fast' |
| 09:28.08 | berky | Pasamio: Sounds kinda gross to me. |
| 09:28.10 | jm_ | sep_: no, parport.txt - joystick is in input - the one I mentioned is in Documentation dir |
| 09:28.10 | jm_ | I mean no subdirs |
| 09:28.13 | Eulex | I just remembered a fun thing -- the cpuid old cyrix's could be manipulated :) |
| 09:28.31 | sep_ | foudn it |
| 09:28.31 | Overand | ew |
| 09:28.32 | Overand | why? |
| 09:28.35 | Pasamio | londonboi2k3: how do you connect to the net? |
| 09:28.36 | Eulex | of old |
| 09:28.49 | londonboi2k3 | Pasamio, its by cable, perm connection |
| 09:29.09 | londonboi2k3 | Pasamio, the connection is automatic at boot by eth0 |
| 09:29.15 | Overand | londonboi2k3: your rdns implies you have dsl, not cable |
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| 09:29.34 | Pasamio | londonboi2k3: set up ddclient, checks ip every five minutes and you can configure it to email you the updates (well, sort of anyway, could be hacked) |
| 09:29.35 | edison | Help i want to install jdk witch package i need ? |
| 09:29.50 | jm_ | Edis0n: java-package |
| 09:29.55 | jm_ | yay |
| 09:30.01 | Pasamio | it would give you a dynamic dns address too which would resolve the need for an email |
| 09:30.05 | Pasamio | lol |
| 09:30.14 | peterS | Overand: so, I wonder how long after this windows edition comes out, someone releases hax0red pentium 4 microcode to lie about its CPUID..... |
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| 09:30.28 | Eulex | heh, we've got one Edis0n and one edison |
| 09:30.39 | Overand | peterS: too much work. if you're gonna hack the OS or the CPU, why not just pirate XP Pro? |
| 09:30.53 | londonboi2k3 | Overand, Well depends on how you look at it, it is DSL, however, the connection goes through homechoice and their box converts that in to my TV on Demand, and an ethernet cable runs from that to my PC |
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| 09:30.57 | edison | jm_, ok |
| 09:31.03 | syntrx | Eulex: we need a westinghouse |
| 09:31.08 | peterS | Overand: true |
| 09:31.23 | Overand | londonboi2k3: set your box to automatically get on irssi |
| 09:31.28 | Overand | start up screen irssi on boot |
| 09:31.33 | Overand | and have irssi set to auto connect to freenode |
| 09:31.38 | londonboi2k3 | Pasamio, ddclient, not heard of that, is there not a way to put a script in the boot up to run ifconfig | Mail me |
| 09:31.39 | Overand | and just find out your iP that way =] |
| 09:31.48 | Eulex | syntrx, hehe |
| 09:31.50 | Pasamio | londonboi2k3: its a client for http://www.dyndns.org |
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| 09:31.55 | peterS | that's sick. sick, sick, sick. |
| 09:31.57 | Pasamio | aptitude install ddclient |
| 09:32.19 | Pasamio | londonboi2k3: you register for a free dyndns account, tell ddclient that, and it'll check your ip and update it and your dynamic dns address |
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| 09:32.25 | Pasamio | brb |
| 09:32.31 | SpamHog | I think lindonboi2k3 needs a quick one line solution now... |
| 09:32.36 | hruske | how can i get package name in Dpkg::Pre-Invoke{} |
| 09:33.13 | londonboi2k3 | ahh, I just set that up, but its not http i am worried about, I need to ssh back in to my box in about 5 mins after the reboot, a one line solution would be cool |
| 09:33.29 | hruske | anyone? |
| 09:33.42 | peterS | londonboi2k3: what has http to do with anything? DNS is what you need updated |
| 09:33.47 | peterS | londonboi2k3: and that's what ddclient does for you |
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| 09:34.07 | Eulex | !tell hruske about ask |
| 09:34.10 | SpamHog | londonboi2k3: I'd write a bash oneliner, chmod it into executable, and add it to crontab file to be run hourly or so |
| 09:34.19 | peterS | londonboi2k3: or so I've heard. I wrote my own little shell script to do the same for zoneedit.com and my DSL conn |
| 09:34.32 | hruske | wow. :) |
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| 09:34.52 | SpamHog | peterS: I think he just wants to know where the machine will pop up and ssh into it, right?\ |
| 09:34.57 | hruske | does dpkg know anything more? :P |
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| 09:35.07 | Eulex | hruske, I think we need more details |
| 09:35.10 | peterS | hruske: not about dpkg internals, I suspect |
| 09:35.18 | peterS | Eulex: no, his question was quite specific and succinct |
| 09:35.33 | peterS | Eulex: it was a good question, phrased well. I just don't know the answer |
| 09:35.37 | Eulex | peterS, oh |
| 09:35.46 | hruske | i'm trying to put a hook to apt.conf.d so i'd have package installation history |
| 09:36.05 | hruske | so i'd need a package name passed on to shell command |
| 09:36.17 | peterS | hruske: simple solution is to upgrade to unstable dpkg 1.13.x, which does its own logging |
| 09:36.26 | jm_ | or use aptitude |
| 09:36.32 | peterS | or use aptitude, yeah |
| 09:36.36 | slf | i wrote something neat for ye folks http://dreamscape.org/code/lib-quick |
| 09:36.38 | SpamHog | londonboi2k3: does the onneline work now from CLI? |
| 09:36.40 | Eulex | peterS, then it's me who dunno :) didn't recognise what he was saying |
| 09:36.41 | slf | it puts every library you're using into tmpfs |
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| 09:36.53 | slf | suitable for hourly cron |
| 09:37.23 | peterS | slf: I don't see how that would help. aren't libraries already mmapped into your address space when you start a process? |
| 09:37.44 | Eulex | slf, eh? aren't such things already cached or such? |
| 09:37.49 | slf | no |
| 09:37.54 | slf | it doesnt cache it for shit |
| 09:37.55 | SpamHog | londonboi2k3: what are you missing? how to turn a command into a script? how to call a script at boot or from cron? |
| 09:38.12 | berky | SpamHog: He left. |
| 09:38.17 | slf | peterS: you're dumb and short on time. |
| 09:38.18 | hruske | ok, but what if i needed this on stable? :) |
| 09:38.33 | peterS | slf: tmpfs can be swapped out, the same as address space can be swapped in |
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| 09:38.55 | SpamHog | hmmm, I'll turn those pesky quit notifs back on |
| 09:39.13 | slf | great, it's a ridiculous system speed up when working with alot of data. |
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| 09:39.30 | slf | it should be run hourly and run via rc.boot upon startup prior to daemon start |
| 09:42.23 | MikkelK | Hi. When i try to start my MySQL-server it says "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed." where can i see what went wrong? |
| 09:42.24 | peterS | slf: out of curiosity, in what shell does '@' denote a comment? |
| 09:42.45 | slf | in my shell |
| 09:42.50 | slf | you have to keep reading, dumbass |
| 09:42.52 | Eulex | MikkelK, the logs? |
| 09:43.04 | slf | alias @='echo \# this is now a commentary instead of a comment.' |
| 09:43.11 | slf | er |
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| 09:43.24 | berky | slf: Why so hostile? |
| 09:43.26 | MikkelK | Eulex, what logs |
| 09:43.29 | slf | alias @='echo "\# "' |
| 09:43.30 | Pasamio | lol |
| 09:43.35 | slf | berky: why so clueless!:) |
| 09:43.47 | berky | slf: Even if someone is clueless, hostility is not warranted. |
| 09:43.49 | slf | it is a public forum afterall, correct |
| 09:43.50 | peterS | slf: ahhhhhhhh. you assume bash |
| 09:43.55 | Guerin | slf: it's not clueless to not be able to guess your braindead aliases |
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| 09:43.57 | Eulex | MikkelK, dmesg/syslog? |
| 09:44.00 | slf | berky: let's just agree to disagree. |
| 09:44.04 | spafbnerf | @ denotes a comment in dos shell! |
| 09:44.10 | peterS | spafbnerf: it does not |
| 09:44.19 | spafbnerf | oh wait.... ur rite... it doesn't |
| 09:44.22 | spafbnerf | that's rem :p |
| 09:44.23 | Thor- | anyone know how to replacd hex 00 with nothing in vim? |
| 09:44.27 | slf | berky: kids gotta learn someway or another. pull your pants up, people arent supposed to pee all over the sidewalk in public. you didn't know any better. |
| 09:44.32 | peterS | Guerin: right, well, I should have guessed that it would be an alias. this didn't occur to me because aliases aren't legal in /bin/sh |
| 09:44.40 | SpamHog | is slf dyspeptic? DOS users often are |
| 09:44.47 | berky | SpamHog: LOL |
| 09:44.51 | peterS | slf: use #!/bin/bash if you have to use bash features, moron |
| 09:44.55 | slf | this is why i get hostile |
| 09:45.08 | berky | slf: Oh. I thought you were just being a jerk for no reason. |
| 09:45.10 | slf | peterS: your dumb ass miscommunicated something that i now have to deal with |
| 09:45.16 | Guerin | slf: oops, caught with your pants down there, mr /bin/sh |
| 09:45.36 | slf | Guerin: your telephone got forwarded to your pants? i like pie! |
| 09:45.51 | slf | at least we have the same look on our face. :) |
| 09:45.55 | peterS | slf: your hostility isn't appreciated in #debian. take it somewhere else |
| 09:46.02 | berky | peterS: I agree. |
| 09:46.03 | SpamHog | will anyone kick him pls? |
| 09:46.05 | Guerin | i strongly advise getting into a battle of wits over shells with peterS ... particularly as it appears you come unarmed |
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| 09:46.12 | slf | peterS: your continual responses to my commentary are not appreciated. Keep them to yourself. two birds one stone. |
| 09:46.30 | SpamHog | is slf a script? |
| 09:46.31 | peterS | slf: I'm not the only one you are pointlessly insulting. you can stop now, plskthx |
| 09:46.43 | berky | SpamHog: I wish. |
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| 09:46.44 | slf | yawn |
| 09:46.51 | slf | peterS: only because of your clueless antagonism |
| 09:46.55 | slf | impatience included |
| 09:47.22 | slf | anyway, it was a good idea. http://dreamscape.org/code/lib-quick |
| 09:47.23 | SpamHog | I think he may be part of the MS code that got stolen a while back. |
| 09:47.23 | Guerin | hehe |
| 09:47.25 | slf | that's what i came here for. |
| 09:47.31 | berky | SpamHog: LOL |
| 09:47.31 | Eulex | haha |
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| 09:47.49 | SpamHog | slf: can we see your source code? |
| 09:47.50 | peterS | slf: good, now go away. you can come back when you grow up, or become able to simulate same |
| 09:47.59 | berky | peterS: Hear, hear. |
| 09:48.11 | SpamHog | slf: if you show us your source we can perhaps find your bugs. |
| 09:48.43 | berky | SpamHog: It seems unlikely that slf would acknowledge them anyway. |
| 09:48.46 | slf | peterS: what? what's that? please deposit two clues for the first three minutes. ;) |
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| 09:48.55 | slf | SpamHog: uh, sure |
| 09:49.14 | SpamHog | slf: post in #flood - not here! |
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| 09:49.25 | berky | SpamHog: Stop making me laugh. It hurts. |
| 09:49.29 | slf | SpamHog: i'm interactively responding. hardly flooding. ;) |
| 09:49.38 | SpamHog | berky: we can recompile him anyway. |
| 09:49.43 | berky | SpamHog: OUCH |
| 09:49.45 | slf | you can replace me with megahal |
| 09:49.48 | slf | easy :) |
| 09:49.58 | slf | just make it read my journal ;) |
| 09:50.01 | peterS | slf: clue one: use #!/bin/bash or another specific shell if you intend to use the 'alias' command. clue two: when you use insults to underscore your points, nobody is fooled into thinking you know more of what you're talking about. it's actually counterproductive. |
| 09:50.06 | Eulex | we could replace you with a simple cron script |
| 09:50.16 | fooz | it's tuesday :/ |
| 09:50.21 | slf | peterS: oh go nitpick on someone who gives a shit |
| 09:50.23 | SpamHog | slf: post your SOURCE CODE in #flood or I promise we won't debug you. |
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| 09:50.45 | slf | peterS: I didn't solicit your advice. |
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| 09:50.59 | slf | your pretty presumptious, i find it rather amusing. |
| 09:51.01 | berky | slf: Nor we yours. |
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| 09:51.06 | fooz | slf, you're |
| 09:51.13 | Guerin | slf: presumptuous |
| 09:51.15 | slf | everything i write is "works for me", sometimes its good enough to be "works for you" |
| 09:51.15 | peterS | !ops slf seems to have nothing better to do that insult and troll, badly. please deal. |
| 09:51.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: slf seems to have nothing better to do that insult and troll, badly. please deal. |
| 09:51.38 | slf | !ops peterS peterS keeps harassing me |
| 09:51.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: peterS peterS keeps harassing me |
| 09:51.50 | slf | leave me alone dood |
| 09:51.54 | slf | do your own thing. |
| 09:51.55 | fooz | hmm. slf is abusing the bots now :/ |
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| 09:52.00 | Eulex | slf, have you got nothing better to do? |
| 09:52.02 | berky | slf: There's no one on this channel who will back you on that. |
| 09:52.16 | slf | you people are destroying what the intent of this place represents |
| 09:52.19 | SpamHog | slf: I concur. |
| 09:52.26 | berky | slf: And if not, don't you have somewhere better to do it? |
| 09:52.28 | fooz | slf, yep |
| 09:52.29 | slf | dont come acrost as elitist as cwilbur now plz |
| 09:52.35 | SpamHog | slf: you mean this is a haunt for idiots? |
| 09:52.41 | Guerin | slf: how the fuck would YOU know what this place represents? |
| 09:52.42 | fooz | Compaq Armada M300s are l33t btw |
| 09:52.52 | fooz | and so is linux 2.6.12.2 |
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| 09:53.01 | fooz | i just thought i'd let you know |
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| 09:53.29 | slf | Guerin: dunno who my audience is for that answer, depends whos asking. |
| 09:53.30 | Guerin | slf: you don't spend anywhere near enough time here to know that, so I suggest you stick to what you know, which currently appears to consist of "How To Be An Irritating Twat". |
| 09:53.36 | slf | yawn |
| 09:53.39 | slf | oh that was constructive!~ |
| 09:53.41 | slf | haha |
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| 09:53.44 | fooz | never had linux ACPI work 100% for everything it was meant to before |
| 09:53.51 | slf | What do you people *do* anyway? |
| 09:54.02 | slf | like what are you good at, as a group? |
| 09:54.05 | fooz | slf, play quake and/or nethack |
| 09:54.10 | fooz | slf, we're good at idling |
| 09:54.12 | berky | Much better. |
| 09:54.18 | Guerin | not sure who 'we people' are in this context, or where he gets this 'group' idea from. |
| 09:54.19 | Pasamio | i'm a php/mysql programmer by trade |
| 09:54.30 | Pasamio | and debian user :p |
| 09:54.31 | berky | Now I get to listen to everyone else respond to no one. Could be amusing. |
| 09:54.31 | slf | i said what do you people do as a group. :) |
| 09:54.43 | Gnea | oh look, it's slf, the shithead of shitheads :) |
| 09:54.45 | Guerin | most of us don't do anything as a group. |
| 09:54.48 | peterS | sometimes we all get together, hold hands and sing kumbaya |
| 09:54.51 | peterS | but that hasn't happened for awhile |
| 09:54.51 | berky | Gnea: I see you've met him. |
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| 09:54.54 | Gnea | with a not-so-bad website that keeps changing owners |
| 09:54.55 | hruske | this apt is much too big to have decent howto... :\ |
| 09:54.56 | Guerin | peterS: speak for your elf. |
| 09:54.56 | fooz | except for me. i don't do that |
| 09:54.58 | Pasamio | as a group i'd say we probably all drink beer |
| 09:55.01 | Gnea | berky: not personally |
| 09:55.10 | Gnea | but i probably know him through the grapevine |
| 09:55.14 | Pasamio | as individuals, but as a group its a task we all enjoy :p |
| 09:55.15 | fooz | i videoconference into the kumbaya session, i don't sit in |
| 09:55.20 | slf | Gnea: better to be hatefully remembered for who i am than loved for who i am not :) |
| 09:55.23 | Pasamio | and debian users still :p |
| 09:55.31 | peterS | fooz: yeah, geographic necessities. |
| 09:55.45 | Gnea | slf: just wasting away still waiting for the big one to hit eh? :) |
| 09:56.09 | berky | Pasamio: Put me down for a pint. |
| 09:56.11 | slf | Gnea: nah, i'm leavin a trail of breadcrumbs back to the mint |
| 09:56.11 | peterS | slf: the problem is, there are 1001 jerks on irc. you could have picked something more distinctive to be, if you wanted to be remembered |
| 09:56.19 | berky | peterS: LOL |
| 09:56.27 | slf | peterS: what makes me a jerk and what makes you not one? |
| 09:56.34 | fooz | slf, he was here first |
| 09:56.39 | Laibsch | I have enabled dial-in via ISDN on one of my servers. It used to work just fine. Now, login fails. AFAIK settings are as they should be. Still, the connection is terminated within a minute. Looking for help on what logs could help me pinpoint the problem. /var/log/syslog was unhelpful as was /var/log/auth. |
| 09:56.47 | Pasamio | berky: one pint of what though? too many beers in the world |
| 09:56.48 | slf | right. so there's belief overriding your logic. |
| 09:56.54 | Guerin | slf: he's constructive. You're not. |
| 09:57.04 | Pasamio | or more to the point, too many beers to put down "a pint" |
| 09:57.08 | slf | Guerin: i think you're confused. |
| 09:57.10 | peterS | slf: I can't give an objective answer to that, since I'm a subject in the answer. so I will let other people defend me, or not |
| 09:57.19 | Guerin | slf: I KNOW you're confised. |
| 09:57.23 | Guerin | and confused too |
| 09:57.26 | berky | Pasamio: Hmmm... Kilkenny? Guiness? Smithwicks? Stella? It's all good. |
| 09:57.28 | Guerin | i also know I'm a shitty typist |
| 09:57.31 | fooz | i'm fooz |
| 09:57.34 | Pasamio | berky: not picky :p |
| 09:57.35 | Eulex | slf, you're hostile -- people are hostile against you because you are hostile |
| 09:57.38 | Pasamio | guiness it is |
| 09:57.51 | Pasamio | who else is up for beer? |
| 09:57.55 | Gnea | Eulex: you pick up quick huh |
| 09:57.56 | fooz | i don't drink |
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| 09:58.14 | peterS | Pasamio: I've never liked beer. but I've also never tried a dark beer like guinness. I assume I wouldn't like it but who knows? |
| 09:58.17 | hruske | slf, i cant disagree totally with you, but still, i'm not on your side. bugging people on irc isn't going to make you you. |
| 09:58.19 | slf | Eulex: actually i came in here and encountered hostility, and now am in the position to respond to such |
| 09:58.23 | berky | The funny thing is I can't see what slf is saying anymore, just the responses, I and I still know he's wrong. |
| 09:58.26 | slf | Eulex: I came peacefully |
| 09:58.30 | Pasamio | fooz: a bit of lolly water eh? what about a bit of fosters? :p |
| 09:58.41 | SpamHog | just ignore him and bring the (s+n)/n down! |
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| 09:58.56 | syntrx | fosters. pffffffft. |
| 09:58.58 | berky | peterS: It has a fuller flavour, but is also probably more bitter than you're used to. |
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| 09:59.14 | Guerin | guinness is yummeh |
| 09:59.15 | peterS | berky: yeah. I'm sure it's something one must get used to |
| 09:59.17 | fooz | i stayed up too late :/ damn work |
| 09:59.26 | Guerin | and has only one n in it |
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| 09:59.39 | berky | peterS: The first Guiness I had I didn't like. The second I loved. Thing is, get it on draught, not from a can. |
| 09:59.42 | SpamHog | syntrx: u mean debfosters?? debfoster --uncap-drink |
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| 09:59.54 | peterS | berky: that big of a difference? |
| 10:00.00 | Guerin | peterS: totally. |
| 10:00.06 | pete | whats a quick way to read pop3 mail with the cmd line, i need to grab mail from a box and I dont want to write a whole config file to do it |
| 10:00.11 | peterS | I'll keep that in mind |
| 10:00.11 | berky | peterS: Huge. And for Kilkenny too. I won't drink it from a can, but if it's on draught, I won't stop. :) |
| 10:00.25 | Pasamio | pete: fetchmail? |
| 10:00.26 | peterS | I'm not sure what my options are in central US. not everyone has the stuff on tap |
| 10:00.26 | syntrx | Pasamio: a queenslander who doesn't drink xxxx? |
| 10:00.28 | Pasamio | telnet? |
| 10:00.29 | Guerin | pete: telnet, if you're good. Otherwise mutt. |
| 10:00.34 | nvz | I still cant seem to get my toe back in line :P damn thing still hurts I dont know how I dislocated it yesturday |
| 10:00.40 | Pasamio | syntrx: i drink XXXX, what are you going on about? |
| 10:00.56 | berky | peterS: Guiness is making real in-roads in my part of Canada, so you never know. |
| 10:01.04 | pete | hehe, this is a bare system, i have nothing on it. I was looking at mutt, it dont look easy to setyo |
| 10:01.06 | berky | nvz: Ouch. I have an appointment today to get my feet cast. :) |
| 10:01.09 | syntrx | hmm disregard. a brief period of crack induced insanity. |
| 10:01.20 | peterS | berky: oh, I know it's available somewhere in town |
| 10:01.25 | Pasamio | syntrx: i have an appreciation for all beers, i just have a fridge full of XXXX :p |
| 10:01.37 | syntrx | :P |
| 10:01.42 | SpamHog | nvz: apt-get remove toe && apt-get clean && apt-get install toe |
| 10:01.43 | peterS | berky: I suppose I could ask my old boss's boss, who is so irish it's painful to watch |
| 10:01.46 | Guerin | pete: you don't really need to set it up in the immediate term. just mutt -f pop://user@host:server.org |
| 10:02.04 | syntrx | i have one more crownie, then i have nothing till payday |
| 10:02.05 | berky | peterS: Then he'll want to share the goodness from the old country. :) |
| 10:02.07 | Pasamio | could just go apt-get install --reinstall toe :p |
| 10:02.11 | pete | Guerin: ahh, thats what I need :) thanks |
| 10:02.13 | peterS | heh, right |
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| 10:02.26 | nvz | my toe is still installed, its just a little crooked or something |
| 10:02.33 | Pasamio | ahhh |
| 10:02.37 | Pasamio | dpkg-reconfigure toe |
| 10:02.37 | Pasamio | :p |
| 10:02.45 | Eulex | hehe |
| 10:03.02 | SpamHog | ifconfig toe up |
| 10:03.07 | Pasamio | lol |
| 10:03.10 | SpamHog | ooops that's online, not inline |
| 10:03.18 | peterS | /etc/init.d/toe force-reload |
| 10:04.00 | Eulex | echo heal > /dev/toe |
| 10:04.14 | SpamHog | berky: cast feet? |
| 10:04.28 | SpamHog | for shoes? diabetes? |
| 10:04.30 | Guerin | pete: i'm stupid: pop://user@server.org will do; it'll prompt for a pass |
| 10:04.32 | berky | SpamHog: Yep. I need orthotics, so apparently they're going to cast them. |
| 10:04.41 | berky | Guerin: He left. |
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| 10:04.46 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:04.53 | Guerin | i guess he'll figure it out then |
| 10:05.02 | berky | I think I'm the only one with the leave messages on. :) |
| 10:05.06 | Guerin | bah, the drugs, they fuck my brain up |
| 10:05.10 | SpamHog | I HAD to have custom made shoes for years, until fashion changed and made room for my big toes... |
| 10:05.20 | slf | easy to see, easier to see first hand.. |
| 10:05.22 | Eulex | SpamHog, hehe |
| 10:05.22 | slf | ha ha ha... |
| 10:05.32 | berky | SpamHog: Well, I guess fashion can be a force for good... occasionally. |
| 10:06.00 | nvz | SpamHog: what the hell were you trying to wear? high heels? |
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| 10:06.10 | berky | nvz: We don't judge him. |
| 10:06.10 | mihaly | I am looking for a basic live cd without X...preferably debian based does anyone of you know any? |
| 10:06.16 | berky | guerin: Pete is back now. :) |
| 10:06.16 | ce_baek | yyyyr9r |
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| 10:06.25 | pete | Man, google mail uses ssl, and a diff port, am I screwed? |
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| 10:06.49 | SpamHog | nvz: "business" shoes, i.e. for humanoids with central big toe; ended up requiring surgery twice |
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| 10:07.15 | nvz | heh |
| 10:07.19 | Pasamio | pete: depends, have u had sexual contact with a woman recently? :p |
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| 10:07.23 | berky | SpamHog: Business shoes are for humans with a central big toe? |
| 10:07.28 | SpamHog | have you ever seen a manager's bare feet????? |
| 10:07.28 | nvz | sounds like the same concept as high heels to me |
| 10:07.37 | floppyears | hi |
| 10:07.41 | berky | SpamHog: No, sir. And I would like not to. |
| 10:07.49 | floppyears | can somebody help me figure out if my com ports are working ? |
| 10:07.49 | Guerin | pete: i'm stupid: pop://user@server.org will do; it'll prompt for a pass |
| 10:07.49 | berky | floppyears: Heya. |
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| 10:08.05 | peterS | now that we're on the subject of TCP/IP Offload Ethernet (TOE), I think I'll go get some bike exercise after all. later, people. |
| 10:08.06 | Pasamio | floppyears: what are you trying to plug into it? |
| 10:08.13 | nvz | doing breakfast the easy way, this morning, since it hurts to stand around and cook |
| 10:08.14 | peterS | errr, TCP/IP Offload Engine |
| 10:08.15 | Pasamio | cya peterS |
| 10:08.16 | berky | peterS: Later. |
| 10:08.21 | pete | +lol |
| 10:08.37 | floppyears | berky: hi |
| 10:08.52 | LinuxMafia | all: i have Dual Layer Dvd burner ,but i dont know why when i put empty dvd in ,k3b says 4.4 G available |
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| 10:09.00 | floppyears | Pasamio: I'm trying to get an app to work through wine, but it says that the com ports are not available |
| 10:09.13 | floppyears | Pasamio: that's why I'm trying to figure out first if linux has the com ports working :( |
| 10:09.19 | nvz | LinuxMafia: maybe because you dont have dual layer dvds :P |
| 10:09.27 | Pasamio | i repeat, what do you have on your com ports? |
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| 10:09.45 | Pasamio | you can't test something if there isn't something there to get "hey, look, i'm here" |
| 10:09.48 | nvz | I am getting ready to try and burn my first dvd sometime soon |
| 10:09.55 | [myg0t]R3N3G4D3 | hi i pressed ctrl+alt+f1 and i'm at console, how do i get back to xf86 |
| 10:09.56 | [myg0t]R3N3G4D3 | ? |
| 10:10.02 | nvz | [myg0t]R3N3G4D3: chvt 7 |
| 10:10.04 | Pasamio | ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 10:10.08 | Pasamio | :p |
| 10:10.13 | Pasamio | or alt-f7 should work |
| 10:10.14 | coercion | ahh thx |
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| 10:10.46 | SpamHog | coercion: use postits, they're great! |
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| 10:11.09 | LinuxMafia | nvz: oh do i need different dvd types? |
| 10:11.10 | floppyears | Pasamio: I have 1 organizer connected to it |
| 10:11.25 | coercion | hmm now i gotta figure out how to set xf86 to use a higher resolution |
| 10:11.25 | Pasamio | com port as in serial? |
| 10:11.31 | floppyears | Pasamio: yes |
| 10:11.52 | berky | LinuxMafia: You need dual layer DVDs. |
| 10:12.00 | Pasamio | well hit cat /dev/ttyS0 (for your first serial port) and get your device to send something |
| 10:12.08 | LinuxMafia | berky: oh i dont have them |
| 10:12.09 | Pasamio | its the easiest way of working out if data is coming in |
| 10:12.15 | Pasamio | you could use minicom, but meh, cat works >:) |
| 10:12.16 | berky | LinuxMafia: that's the problem then. :) |
| 10:12.21 | LinuxMafia | berky: it is regular dvd |
| 10:12.22 | SpamHog | coercion: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:12.27 | LinuxMafia | berky: oh thanks |
| 10:12.30 | berky | LinuxMafia: Right, so it only has the regular capacity. |
| 10:12.45 | coercion | spamhog will that overwrite my existing cfg |
| 10:12.45 | coercion | ? |
| 10:12.45 | Pihti | minicom lets you to specify speed better than cat :) |
| 10:12.47 | Eulex | LinuxMafia, though those are usually not worth the price; they are much more expensive than regular dvd's |
| 10:12.52 | LinuxMafia | berky: is ti expensive? |
| 10:13.18 | berky | LinuxMafia: I've never bought them myself because one of my computers can't read them. |
| 10:13.24 | Pasamio | Pihti: we're only testing if it works, you can specify speed later when you've verified it works :p |
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| 10:13.43 | SpamHog | coercion: yes, it will, but should save old one in backup - better make a backup manually if you're emotionaly attached to that config file, tho' |
| 10:13.48 | LinuxMafia | berky: oh thanks for info |
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| 10:13.58 | pete | Awsome I knew mutt could do it, you use pops://servername instead of pop:// |
| 10:14.01 | berky | No worries. :) |
| 10:14.24 | Eulex | coercion, hadn't you got lots of special things in your config? |
| 10:14.43 | Pasamio | SpamHog: emotionally attached, interesting comment :p |
| 10:14.48 | Laibsch | Just did an apt-get install apache-ssl on my sarge machine. apache-ssl did not install cleanly and aborted with an exit status of 10. What do I do? |
| 10:14.51 | coercion | yea eulex |
| 10:14.56 | coercion | a lotta clock settings |
| 10:15.07 | ircdevil | is there some way to make a file appear in "path" - so i can do cat <file> without typing the full path? |
| 10:15.14 | berzerka | hello everyone. was just wondering whether it is possible to search the 'contents' of files for some string. something like 'find . -contains xxx'. what is the commandline tool to do this? |
| 10:15.18 | Eulex | coercion, then if you want to preserve those settings you'll have to edit your config manually |
| 10:15.22 | coercion | yeah |
| 10:15.24 | coercion | which is what i'm doin |
| 10:15.24 | ircdevil | berzerka: grep |
| 10:15.31 | berky | Hmmm... Does it seem freaky to anyone else that I just loaded Azureus and it appears to have root privileges even though it shouldn't? |
| 10:15.34 | Laibsch | berzerka: grep |
| 10:15.35 | coercion | i'm wondering what specifically here will set the default display mode |
| 10:15.38 | Gavrila | hi all, why isn't there any updated kernel package in sid? |
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| 10:15.46 | berzerka | oh, yes. right. thanx :) |
| 10:15.52 | Gavrila | has it been frozen for some reason? |
| 10:15.54 | SpamHog | isn't grep Norwegian for "aggression"? |
| 10:16.18 | Eulex | coercion, the first display mode for the default video depth |
| 10:16.28 | ircdevil | SpamHog: norwegians are non-aggresive - they have no such words afaik |
| 10:16.42 | coercion | hmm k |
| 10:16.52 | fatal__ | SpamHog: I'd guess "arrested", because that's what it means in Swedish. |
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| 10:17.05 | berky | OK, here's another question. I know on the command-line I can just "cd ~" to go to my home directory. But when I enter this as a path it doesn't work. Is there some alternative way I should be specifying it? |
| 10:17.25 | nvz | berky: actually with cd, you dont need the ~ |
| 10:17.37 | floppyears | Pasamio: but only root can access it |
| 10:17.42 | Eulex | coercion, well, if it succeeds in setting that display mode, otherwise it will try the next one etc -- check your Xfree86 log if that's the case |
| 10:17.48 | berky | nvz Oh yeah. |
| 10:18.03 | Pasamio | floppyears: then would that be your wine application not being able to access it too? :) |
| 10:18.05 | nvz | berky: and it works fine as a path as well ~/Shared is /home/nvz/Shared for me and would be a different path for you |
| 10:18.10 | SpamHog | close.... grep |
| 10:18.10 | SpamHog | = grasp, hold, grip (http://www.freedict.com/) |
| 10:18.16 | berky | nvz I'm afraid it doesn't work for me. :( |
| 10:18.33 | Guerin | berky: don't be afraid |
| 10:18.43 | berky | nvz: I tried using it in a KDE .desktop object and it wouldn't recognize it. Azureus, which I'm setting up now, complains that it's an invalid path. |
| 10:18.45 | coercion | well eulex it succeeds but uh the colors are too low, they look pretty nasty |
| 10:18.51 | Eulex | SpamHog, approximately the same in swedish too |
| 10:18.54 | berky | Guerin: :) |
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| 10:19.05 | pete | Is there a way to determine what ports are blocked through a firewall? eg a system on the net I can portscan that has all ports open so i can see what gets throgh |
| 10:19.07 | Eulex | coercion, default video depth? |
| 10:19.07 | Gavrila | isn't kernel 2.6.12 in sid? |
| 10:19.11 | Skaag | how did this guy do this with apache? http://intranet.harlaut.net/debian/ksmoothdock/ |
| 10:19.16 | Skaag | notice the special style |
| 10:19.32 | chealer | Gavrila: not yet |
| 10:19.38 | S3434_ | could anyone give me some pointers? I just installed sid and everything seems to be working fine except when I start gnome as a local user I cannot connect to the net unless I first open a terminal do su and then ifup eth0. |
| 10:19.41 | floppyears | Pasamio: ok, I can do "cat /dev/ttyS0 " as root, but nothing happens :( |
| 10:19.44 | nvz | pete: you dont portscan other people to see what ports are open on your sysem |
| 10:19.52 | Gavrila | che neither a mantained version of .11 right? |
| 10:20.00 | Gavrila | chealer: neither a mantained version of .11 right? |
| 10:20.01 | Pasamio | floppyears: sending something from the connected device? |
| 10:20.08 | nvz | pete: doesnt work like that |
| 10:20.23 | Eulex | S3434_, check your dmesg and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:20.23 | Guerin | Gavrila: sure, .11 has been in sid for yeages |
| 10:20.30 | berky | pete: Google "shields up" |
| 10:20.35 | SpamHog | Eulex: aha! attack |
| 10:20.35 | SpamHog | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.44 | SpamHog | aha is a propos... |
| 10:20.45 | Pasamio | i am the antigrep :p |
| 10:20.50 | Guerin | SpamHog: some FancyIndexes templating |
| 10:20.54 | pete | nvz: What i mean is my ISP blocks ports right, so If i portscaned a system with all its ports open I could see what my isp blocked, you see what I mean |
| 10:21.00 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:21.08 | Guerin | shieldsup is shit, don't believe it |
| 10:21.11 | chealer | Gavrila: actually, 2.6.12 might be coming quite fast |
| 10:21.12 | nvz | pete: no, because it doesnt work like that |
| 10:21.12 | pete | lol |
| 10:21.20 | Gavrila | anyway why did they updgrade udev to work with 2.6.12 when there is no package yet? |
| 10:21.21 | pete | why not |
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| 10:21.27 | berky | pete: Well, never mind me then. And nvz is right. That's not a good tes.t |
| 10:21.32 | Gavrila | chealer: I hope so |
| 10:21.37 | Skaag | Guerin: that was for me wasn't it |
| 10:21.50 | pete | heh |
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| 10:21.54 | berky | guerin: Shields up is shit? Why? |
| 10:21.55 | Skaag | Guerin: I take it FancyIndexes is a new keyword in some new version of apache? |
| 10:22.01 | pete | ok let me look at sheilds up |
| 10:22.05 | nvz | pete: you imagine that port scanning someone elses port 22 will tell you if yours is open, and it most certainly will not |
| 10:22.06 | Eulex | SpamHog, heh... angrepp and angripa in swedish |
| 10:22.09 | chealer | hoho, they changed pdo's changelog format. this is starting to look like KDE! |
| 10:22.16 | pete | no no |
| 10:22.19 | berky | nvz: No, he's trying to figure out if his ISP is blocking ports. |
| 10:22.23 | SpamHog | Angriff paa Tysk... |
| 10:22.26 | Guerin | shields up is actually a BAD THING for internet security in general, because it encourages a false sense of security, and the lack of information is information that a cracker can use |
| 10:22.28 | pete | I dont what to know what ports are open on me |
| 10:22.32 | berky | pete: Shields Up won't help you with that. |
| 10:22.42 | SpamHog | very descriptive... wonder who called grep grep |
| 10:22.49 | pete | I want to know what ports my isp blocks me connecting to remotly |
| 10:22.55 | Guerin | Skaag: yeah. Don't know how to use it, but i know you can do that shit. |
| 10:22.55 | Skaag | SpamHog: A Gremlin? |
| 10:22.57 | Skaag | :-) |
| 10:23.08 | pete | eg, aol blocks port 25, i want to see what else it blocks |
| 10:23.08 | Guerin | pete: you can nmap google.com or something |
| 10:23.08 | Skaag | Guerin: Thanks, from here google will help me :-) |
| 10:23.18 | Guerin | pete: see what ports show as 'filtered' |
| 10:23.23 | SpamHog | Skaag: or a Troll??? |
| 10:23.34 | Skaag | SpamHog: Yah, a troll might have done it as well :-) |
| 10:23.35 | berky | guerin: Hmmm... what is the false sense of security? |
| 10:23.42 | pete | oh it tells you they are filtered does it |
| 10:24.10 | Skaag | pete: I guess what you need is some echo service for certain ports... |
| 10:24.20 | pete | yeah |
| 10:24.26 | Guerin | berky: you put all your ports into 'stealth' and immediately an attacker goes - oh ... here's someone running windows, and they're dumb enough to have used shieldsup or similar. |
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| 10:24.41 | Skaag | pete: on the other hand I would think that your ISP would block ports both ways if it already bothered to block outgoing |
| 10:24.46 | pete | I thought the remote port had to be open, for me to check if I can get to it |
| 10:24.52 | floppyears | Pasamio: thanks the pc can now talk to the device |
| 10:25.01 | Guerin | berky: and it encourages users to be lazy, because they thing 'oh, my firewall protexts me from everything bad on teh intarwebz' |
| 10:25.11 | sep | pete on a remote computer make a firewallrule that log everything, from your local portscan that compputer, and look in the remotes log what port you dont hit. those are the ports your isp block |
| 10:25.13 | floppyears | Pasamio: but how do I go about changing the permissions so other users besides root can connect to these devices :) |
| 10:25.13 | berky | Guerin: But if all ports are "stealthed", are they even going to know they have a valid IP? Also, Shields Up isn't a firewall. It's a firewall tester. :) |
| 10:25.21 | Pasamio | floppyears: if you're running it as a normal user, you will have to make sure you a someone who can read/write to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 10:25.29 | pete | sep: great idea |
| 10:25.32 | Guerin | berky: they can know that from other methods, like reading their webserver and irc logs. |
| 10:25.37 | Pasamio | sudo chown 777 /dev/ttyS0 if you're not too concerned about security |
| 10:25.46 | Guerin | berky: i'm aware of what shields up is and isn't. |
| 10:25.49 | Pasamio | you could put that in a boot script osmewhere |
| 10:26.04 | jethro | moin |
| 10:26.24 | berky | Guerin: So you think it's better to have ports that are NOT stealthed? |
| 10:26.25 | Guerin | berky: but you don't pass shields up without a firewall donfigured to DROP, that's my point. |
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| 10:26.55 | Guerin | berky: sure. a computer should respond to ping, and respond to an attempted connection with a refusal if there's no running service. |
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| 10:27.04 | floppyears | Pasamio: so would using chmod 666 work or should I keep using sudo ? |
| 10:27.05 | berky | guerin: How is that more secure? |
| 10:27.36 | noxoug | i want to try out a livecd. i have pclinuxos and ubuntu. which one is better or anthere any others |
| 10:27.36 | Gavrila | Guerin: I see there is indeed, but I have been mislead by the package name |
| 10:27.49 | Gavrila | Guerin: it reported 2.6.11-1 |
| 10:27.49 | Pasamio | floppyears: sudo gives you root access |
| 10:27.59 | Gavrila | though the version is 2.6.11-7 |
| 10:28.16 | Pasamio | 666 should also work, but its the devils number |
| 10:28.18 | Guerin | berky: it's at least equally secure, and in addition, computers responsing to ping is one of the things which keeps the internet sane. It also makes you be certain you ARE maintaining your security patches, rather than just going 'oh, i'm stealthed, i'm invisible' |
| 10:28.19 | floppyears | Pasamio: would it be ok then to do something like "sudo wine program.exe" ? |
| 10:28.27 | S3434_ | Eulex thanks, I'm looking at both /etc/network/interfaces and the output from dmesg now - also, when I run: ifup eth0 as local user I get: ifup: command not found - I think this has something to do with permissions. |
| 10:28.41 | Gavrila | I mean the version of the kernel.. could you explain me this name policy? why -1 when it was the nth revision? |
| 10:28.47 | Eulex | S3434_, yes, a normal user can't run ifup |
| 10:28.50 | pete | Does something need to be listening on a port for you to see if its avialble |
| 10:28.52 | berky | guerin: Well, it's certainly true that stealth != invisible. |
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| 10:29.01 | Guerin | Gavrila: -1 is the revision of the debian package. |
| 10:29.13 | chaica | hi everyone |
| 10:29.14 | Pasamio | floppyears: yeah, but you would have to do that all of the time, if you wrapped it in a script with sudo set up no to ask a password for /usr/bin/chmod, you can ensure that you just type ./program and it'll chmod plus wine program.exe ;) |
| 10:29.16 | Eulex | floppyears, running a windows program as root is a bad idea |
| 10:29.16 | berky | noxoug: There's also a live CD from Knoppix and a live CD (or DVD) from SUSE. |
| 10:29.19 | floppyears | Pasamio: what would be the safest way then ? meaning how would you do it, if you are concerned with security |
| 10:29.42 | Gavrila | but when they upload a new package with the updated version of 2.6.11 shouldn't it move to 2.6.11-2 as debian name? |
| 10:29.55 | floppyears | Eulex: I know, but I need to make it work :( |
| 10:29.59 | Guerin | floppyears: what the fuck are you doing runnign a WINDOWS program as root? |
| 10:30.13 | Guerin | i missed the early part of this, but that sounds like pure madness to me. |
| 10:30.14 | chealer | Gavrila: all the debian revisions with the same module ABI have -1 |
| 10:30.25 | floppyears | Guerin: how do I get it to run as non-root then :( |
| 10:30.31 | Pasamio | floppyears: add the following line to your sudoers file (you'llneed to be root to do it) |
| 10:30.33 | Gavrila | chealer: ah now I see, thank you |
| 10:30.40 | Guerin | floppyears: if it won't run as non-root, then wine is broken. |
| 10:30.43 | Pasamio | yourusername ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/chmod |
| 10:30.46 | chealer | Gavrila: when kernel hackers can't fix something, they change it to -2, etc. |
| 10:30.52 | Pasamio | Guerin: hard ware access |
| 10:30.53 | edison | Help how to mount /dev/fd0 to enable all user to read and write on the device ? |
| 10:30.57 | Guerin | Pasamio: JESUSFUCKINCHRIST |
| 10:31.00 | chealer | s/something/something without changing the ABI |
| 10:31.04 | Guerin | Pasamio: that's pure insanity. |
| 10:31.11 | Pasamio | of course >:) |
| 10:31.14 | chaica | I've got some troubles with uw-imapd on Sarge. When I use apt-get to install, I got a dpkg error (--configure). Anyone knows why? During the installation I have too : hostname: Unknown host |
| 10:31.20 | Gavrila | chealer: ehehe then I thoguht for months that 2.6.11 was unmantained ahaha |
| 10:31.22 | Guerin | can't he use groups or something? |
| 10:31.22 | floppyears | Guerin: the program needs to access /dev/ttyS0 but only root can access that device :( |
| 10:31.32 | Guerin | that sudoers line basically just gave me root on his box. |
| 10:31.45 | Pasamio | he could, but i don't want to work out how he has it set up |
| 10:31.56 | Pasamio | personally i own /dev/ttyS0 from my configuration set up |
| 10:31.57 | Guerin | surely you can change the gid of it and put a user in a group |
| 10:31.58 | Pasamio | so it doesn't bother me |
| 10:32.07 | Gavrila | edison: man mount |
| 10:32.13 | chealer | Gavrila: hehehe, give the changelogs a look ;) |
| 10:32.13 | Guerin | Pasamio: if you can't give good advice, don't fucking bother, svp. |
| 10:32.28 | Gavrila | chealer: eheh of course now I 've found :) |
| 10:32.35 | berky | guerin: Hey... |
| 10:32.44 | Pasamio | Guerin: but he could be using hal or some other funky system, do you want to sit down and work through every single possible configuration option or offer something that i know will work? :) |
| 10:32.45 | Guerin | berky: ? |
| 10:32.56 | berky | Guerin: Can't we all just get along. :) |
| 10:32.57 | edison | Gavrila, mount -o mode=0777 -o loop ./tmp_dir /tmp/ |
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| 10:33.08 | floppyears | Guerin: he was just trying to help, and the only reason why I kept asking is because I'm trying to figure out the best way to provide access to other non-root users to this device |
| 10:33.15 | Guerin | Pasamio: if you could do something that wouldn't give anyone root on his box, that would qualify as 'not completely shit advice' |
| 10:33.27 | Pasamio | chmod is hardly root... |
| 10:33.27 | edison | Gavrila, i alredy read the man that why i ask the question |
| 10:33.30 | Guerin | berky: apparently not. Being right is more important than being nice. |
| 10:33.43 | Guerin | Pasamio: sure it is. i can make a program suid with it. |
| 10:33.48 | floppyears | Guerin: aren't the /dev/ filesystem created at bootime every time ? |
| 10:33.49 | berky | Guerin: It's possible to be both, and it usually works better. |
| 10:33.49 | Pasamio | unless you are already that user |
| 10:33.58 | S3434_ | Eulex , then I'm guessing I need to find a way to get ifup to automatically run on startup before user logs in ? |
| 10:33.59 | Gavrila | edison: lol and that was the proof? then you need to read it better |
| 10:34.02 | Pasamio | floppyears: yes |
| 10:34.03 | Guerin | berky: thanks for your input. |
| 10:34.20 | Gavrila | and you'll read also about the user and rw option .... nice try anyway -_- |
| 10:34.27 | floppyears | then how can I assign a group or something to this device so that I can assign users to that group ? |
| 10:34.28 | Laibsch | Just did an apt-get install apache-ssl on my sarge machine. apache-ssl did not install cleanly and aborted with an exit status of 10. What do I do? |
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| 10:34.39 | floppyears | the file is going to be recreated after every boot :( |
| 10:34.59 | caphuso | floppyears: chgrp. udev rules. devfsd. depends on what you are using |
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| 10:35.17 | caphuso | it's a trivial thing to do |
| 10:36.05 | edison | Gavrila, is not a question of chance or trying something, if you don't want to help, don't try to help ! |
| 10:36.13 | Pasamio | hal as well, all good fun |
| 10:36.20 | floppyears | caphuso: sorry I don't understand what you suggested :( I don't know which I am using :( |
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| 10:36.31 | caphuso | floppyears: then go and find out |
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| 10:36.48 | caphuso | it's your frigging box, how can you not know what you are using? |
| 10:37.05 | S3434_ | If I log in as root I don't need to run ifup but I want to be able alow user use of internet without him logging as root. |
| 10:37.06 | berky | Some of us are noobs. :) |
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| 10:37.19 | michal__ | hi there! |
| 10:37.30 | michal__ | how can I apt-get install kde 3.4.1 ?? |
| 10:37.43 | caphuso | michal__: /topic |
| 10:38.34 | floppyears | caphuso: how can I tell which one I'm using ? |
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| 10:40.01 | ircdevil | whats the way of making an "alias" to a file? |
| 10:40.04 | caphuso | floppyears: 1) do the devices actually get recreated each time you boot? 2) is a devfs mounted on /dev? 3) do you have a tmpfs mounted on /dev? |
| 10:40.13 | caphuso | ircdevil: ln |
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| 10:41.32 | coercion | should i use svga or vesa |
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| 10:41.41 | ircdevil | caphuso: but i want it to be system wide in the sense that cat foo should cat /full/path/foo no matter where in the directory tree you are |
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| 10:42.17 | valdyn | ircdevil: what would be the point of that? |
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| 10:43.04 | caphuso | ircdevil: use environment variables... FOO=/full/path/foo; cat $FOO |
| 10:43.15 | ircdevil | caphuso: ok |
| 10:43.25 | floppyears | caphuso: yes, I have a tmpfs mounted in /dev and another one mounted in /dev/shm, |
| 10:43.38 | caphuso | floppyears: then you're using udev |
| 10:43.44 | floppyears | caphuso: thanks :) |
| 10:44.32 | ircdevil | caphuso: thou i am pretty sure it can be done in some other way |
| 10:44.39 | caphuso | ircdevil: sure |
| 10:45.21 | Laibsch | Doesn't anybody have an idea why the newest apache-ssl will not install on my box? |
| 10:45.47 | valdyn | coercion: vesa if you have only the choice between those 2 |
| 10:46.02 | floppyears | caphuso: how can I give permissions to regular users to use /dev/ttyS0 with udev ? |
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| 10:46.40 | caphuso | floppyears: /etc/udev/something |
| 10:46.51 | valdyn | floppyears: add the users to the dialout group? |
| 10:46.54 | plovs | what else do i have to put in my control file when building a package, i have "Replace: tinyproxy" because I want to overwrite /etc/tinyproxy/tinyproxy.conf in the postinst of my package? |
| 10:47.05 | caphuso | there'a file that defines what permissions devices are created with |
| 10:47.13 | caphuso | s/'a/'s/ |
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| 10:50.58 | floppyears | caphuso: thanks I learned something new about my system :) |
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| 10:51.03 | floppyears | valdyn: thanks, that worked |
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| 10:51.54 | Guerin | bah, i can't find the greycat factoid which runs along the lines of "Newb is just an excuse to make other people do your searching for you" |
| 10:52.37 | berky | Guerin: I'm a noob, but I always try to solve my problems for myself first. |
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| 10:52.50 | berky | Guerin: I'm probably bucking a trend though. :) |
| 10:52.54 | Guerin | berky: oh, it doesn't hold for everyone. |
| 10:53.09 | Guerin | but you're only a noob as long as you want to be, really. |
| 10:53.11 | berky | Guerin: I've seen a lot of that myself, though, so I know the truth of the quip. :) |
| 10:53.26 | berky | guerin: I don't know. Linux has a pretty steep learning curve for the Windows set, which includes myself. :) |
| 10:53.42 | Guerin | berky: i know, i was there not so very long ago. |
| 10:53.47 | Pihti | european software patents got one big stone into shoe now :) |
| 10:53.54 | berky | Guerin: How long have you been using Linux? |
| 10:53.56 | Guerin | Pihti: oh, they voted? |
| 10:54.02 | Pihti | I have been filmed by MTV3 |
| 10:54.07 | Pihti | in Finland |
| 10:54.07 | Guerin | berky: since august 14 2003 |
| 10:54.13 | Pihti | tomorrow they vote |
| 10:54.14 | Guerin | Pihti: heh |
| 10:54.33 | floppyears | Guerin: how did you learn so much about linux in so little time ? |
| 10:54.52 | berky | Guerin: Two years isn't that little if you use it a lot, IMO. |
| 10:55.03 | berky | guerin: I've been using Linux for a week! Yay me. :) |
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| 10:55.13 | Guerin | floppyears: a lot of reading, and using nothing else on all my computers, and on my wife's computer. |
| 10:55.15 | berky | Oops. I'm tired. Those were for Floppy. |
| 10:55.26 | Guerin | berky: you're doing way better after a week than I was. |
| 10:55.30 | Pihti | two minutes in main news brief today in Finland |
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| 10:55.41 | berky | Guerin: I still feel like I have a million things to learn, but thanks. |
| 10:55.52 | Guerin | Pihti: that's cool. |
| 10:56.05 | berky | Pihti: Two minutes is quite good, eh? |
| 10:56.10 | Pihti | yeah |
| 10:56.34 | floppyears | Guerin: any good websites for reading, and yes, I know google ;) |
| 10:56.47 | Pihti | yeah it is, especially it is my crowbar into microsoft's doors |
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| 10:57.03 | berky | Any idea on how that vote's going to go? |
| 10:57.16 | berky | floppyears: I learn a lot from Googling my Linux issues. It works quite well. |
| 10:57.39 | berky | floppyears: And one of the reasons I am sitting in this room is to learn from the answers to other people's questions. (In addition to talking about beer.) |
| 10:58.39 | Pihti | If my newsbrief stops software patents it will be a win for all of us |
| 10:58.53 | Guerin | floppyears: well, some generics on tldp.org, but I find i can't learn something unless i need it ... so i set myself up a webserver, a ftp server with plain, ssl and s shitload of virtual hosts, a dns server, a mail server with virtualhosts and mysql, pop, imap, tls, two separate desktop machines running different stuff, a router/fileserver which doubles as a media box, my mother's laptop, and forced myself to learn how to administer them all |
| 10:58.55 | berky | Pihti: Indeed. |
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| 10:59.27 | Guerin | and loitering in #debian teaches a lot, too, if you can filter out the bullshit |
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| 10:59.45 | berky | Guerin: I agree. I think you have to learn Linux by doing generally. |
| 10:59.51 | Pihti | I just want to use my linux also after tomorrow |
| 11:00.03 | berky | Pihti: That would be nice. |
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| 11:00.39 | Guerin | but i was pretty shit at computers in general when I took up *n?x - so I had to learn a lot of principles too. |
| 11:00.47 | Guerin | still can't program worth a good goddamn. |
| 11:00.53 | berky | Guerin: I'm a Windows wizard. :) |
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| 11:01.08 | Pihti | berky: I just love to use open source, patents will kill us |
| 11:01.42 | berky | Pihti: I'll have to read up on this. I must admit that I have seen references to it a lot, but being new to Linux, I haven't actually learned what it's about yet. |
| 11:01.46 | Gecko | Hello. I need to make a custom debian cd, and the changes I need a primarily to the post-install. I have looked at all the docs covering debian custom cd's on the wiki, but I have not found anything usable. Can anyone help me? |
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| 11:02.15 | sep | Gecko: you can use cfengine to do postinstall config changes |
| 11:02.17 | floppyears | I would do it, but unfortunately I only have 1 box running linux, I don't have any spare hardware yet :( |
| 11:02.20 | Guerin | Gecko: if there are still people in #debian-boot, they probably have more references regarding the installer. |
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| 11:02.33 | Pihti | berky, the more I know about Windows the more I hate it |
| 11:02.35 | xav | are there some sort of guides for beginning with windowmaker and/or gnustep apps? and I've troubles running the gdnc server |
| 11:02.36 | berky | floppyears: There's always VMWare. :) A very fun tool. |
| 11:02.36 | daos | can you do http host header redirection in iptables? |
| 11:03.00 | Pihti | berky, it is so much full of holes and shit. |
| 11:03.04 | berky | Pihti: The funny thing is that I didn't intend to switch to Linux. My friend gave me an install disc, I put it in to fool around with Linux... and stopped using Windows. |
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| 11:03.33 | berky | Pihti: Though it drives me nuts sometimes when I don't know my ass from my elbow, and when things seem unnecessarily onerous. |
| 11:03.38 | Pihti | berky, I made decision during millennium to switch to linux, and never have regretted it |
| 11:04.16 | sep | i was forced to switch from amigaos, to windows. and hated every bit of it. linux was a rescuing hand |
| 11:04.17 | boylizard | hey, I need some help setting up networking in a DFS environment, (debian from scratch), if someone could be so kind as to help me |
| 11:04.17 | Guerin | Gecko: libdebian-installer* packages probably also contain some useful doc |
| 11:04.29 | Guerin | i got blaster and though 'fuck this' |
| 11:04.29 | berky | sep: AMIGA!!! |
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| 11:04.43 | berky | Guerin: Heh. |
| 11:04.45 | sep | boylizard: i think you got the wrong irc channel |
| 11:05.09 | boylizard | i already tried in #gentoo, they suggested here, and the #dfs channel, basically, sucks |
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| 11:05.19 | boylizard | as it is empty. |
| 11:05.21 | Guerin | boylizard: /msg dpkg man interfaces, if it's using debian's networking stuff |
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| 11:05.55 | boylizard | thanks muchly |
| 11:06.21 | cmug | where is it defined that I am not allowed to run X applications as root in current users Xsession? |
| 11:06.32 | sep | cmug: /msg dpkg sux |
| 11:06.48 | cmug | sep, thanks :) |
| 11:07.05 | boylizard | after ive edited the network interfaces, what command(s) should i run, or do i have to reboot and re-chroot into the environment again? |
| 11:07.30 | Guerin | boylizard: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 11:07.35 | boylizard | danke |
| 11:07.37 | Guerin | boylizard: again, presuming debian init |
| 11:07.43 | boylizard | yea, it is |
| 11:07.49 | Guerin | boylizard: you need to read some documentation before doing this, i think. |
| 11:08.00 | boylizard | DFS has very little documentation |
| 11:08.11 | boylizard | almost none |
| 11:08.12 | sep | boylizard: why dont use use a regular sarge netinstall then ? |
| 11:08.19 | Guerin | boylizard: sounds like reading debian documentation might be of use |
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| 11:09.41 | berky | Ugh. I need sleep. Have fun everybody. |
| 11:10.12 | joergdn | is kernel 2.4 still maintained in debian? i see latest is 2.4.27 !? |
| 11:10.21 | Guerin | joergdn: so? |
| 11:10.36 | boylizard | im trying to make a debian based distribution, so i use DFS. unless this is easily doable with a sarge netinstalled instance of debian? |
| 11:10.56 | joergdn | Guerin: what about 2.4.31? |
| 11:11.13 | drac | joergdn: Is there something you need from 2.4.31, that .27 doesn't have ? |
| 11:11.25 | Guerin | joergdn: what about it? There's probably another one in the loops. |
| 11:11.27 | Pihti | it is not hard to make a 2.4.31 kernel |
| 11:11.37 | drac | Pihti: Tell that to Linus. |
| 11:11.43 | Pihti | ah |
| 11:11.43 | joergdn | i would expect bugfixes in there... |
| 11:11.49 | Pihti | I have 2.4.30 |
| 11:12.08 | liable | where are network interfaces in the directory tree? ie eth0? |
| 11:12.12 | Guerin | joergdn: do you know of anything really important? |
| 11:12.41 | Pihti | The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.4.31 2005-06-01 00:57 UTC F V VI C Changelog |
| 11:12.49 | joergdn | there were several security issues |
| 11:12.50 | Pihti | this is snapped from www.kernel.org |
| 11:13.04 | Pihti | so it is easy to compile a debian kernel for it |
| 11:13.40 | Pihti | just install kernel-package and its dependencies, gcc and give a shot. |
| 11:13.49 | joergdn | its not about making a 2.4.31 deb kernel myself. its about a "official" debian 2.4.31 kernel package |
| 11:13.50 | Pihti | I have made my own kernels for Debian for ages |
| 11:14.24 | jharrison | joergdn: that wont happen in stable |
| 11:14.25 | Pihti | joergdn: Why you stick to 2.4.31, when you can use your own kernel? |
| 11:14.25 | Guerin | joergdn: ask on debian-security mailing list if there's a particular security issue you're concerned about. |
| 11:14.38 | Guerin | it's a valid concern on his part |
| 11:14.47 | Guerin | if there are security issues |
| 11:14.50 | S3434_ | boylizard there doesn't seem to be a dfs channel |
| 11:14.51 | Pihti | kernel self packaging is not so hard |
| 11:14.56 | joergdn | usually kernel-source-* has patches included not in the vanilla kernels |
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| 11:15.02 | jharrison | Guerin: they are still more likely to just backport any security patches to 2.4.27 |
| 11:15.06 | boylizard | S3434_: there is, its just empty :) its been registered, at least |
| 11:15.11 | Morti | Is there a nice way to make several Bash scripts use a central config file? |
| 11:15.12 | Pihti | i have used vanilla kernels for ages |
| 11:15.20 | Morti | Or is it just a case of being clever with grep and sed? |
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| 11:15.56 | MobyTurbo | Pihti: I'm sure that has prevented bit-rot from contaminating your electrodes |
| 11:16.09 | Pihti | morti, make the config to one script and execute it in the beginning of your other scripts |
| 11:16.14 | caphuso | Morti: check the documentation of the source builtin |
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| 11:16.50 | joergdn | i'm comfortable with building my own (deb) kernel packages. i'm concerned about all the users using stable who don't have this knowhow and would use *secure* kernels. |
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| 11:17.18 | Morti | Pihti: And that script can set variables which will continue to be valid after it exits? |
| 11:17.18 | Pihti | MobyTurbo: I love to use a kernel that is optimized for my use |
| 11:17.38 | Pihti | Morti: yeah, just put export <var> |
| 11:17.48 | caphuso | Pihti: nonsense |
| 11:17.49 | joergdn | or are all security patches backported to 2.4.27 by debian maintainers? |
| 11:17.58 | MobyTurbo | Pihti: more than something like i686 optimization, which is in the Debian repository, gives a very small performance increase. |
| 11:18.02 | Pihti | Morti: examine Debian's scripts and how they are done |
| 11:18.10 | fester | hey, evey time i start gnome it starts 10 copys of dictionary, short of removing it how can i stop it |
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| 11:18.45 | paivakil | fester: save the session while logging out |
| 11:18.47 | Pihti | MobyTurbo: Hm, Why to argue about tastes. |
| 11:19.00 | MobyTurbo | Pihti: benchmarks aren't tastes |
| 11:19.15 | JohnGH | A few weeks ago I did my daily upgrade on a testing box (sarge at the time) and when it next rebooted grub gave me: "Error 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS" and I can't get it to boot anymore. |
| 11:19.18 | fester | paivakil ill give that a try thanks |
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| 11:19.33 | JohnGH | Nothing had changed in the hardware |
| 11:19.41 | MobyTurbo | (well, excluding ziff-davis benchmarks) |
| 11:19.44 | S3434_ | boylizard I seem to have dfs working fine on my desktop I just have the problem that I can only use the network as root. |
| 11:19.59 | boylizard | urgh, that is a problem in itself ;) |
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| 11:21.36 | boylizard | im just going to attempt to create my own distro off of the debian netinstall. other than the networking problems, i liked dfs. perhaps they should include kernel source in the event that its just because i may not have network drivers compiled in or compiled as module, so it doesnt work.... *ponders* |
| 11:21.55 | Morti | Pihti: How would I then read the exported values? |
| 11:22.49 | JohnGH | What's an easy way to boot off a floppy to get into the machine? |
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| 11:23.58 | Morti | JohnGH: tomsrtbt? |
| 11:24.33 | JohnGH | tomsrtbt: Will that let me use the normal partition as the root partition? |
| 11:24.49 | Morti | Yeah, thusly: |
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| 11:24.54 | Morti | mkdir /hd |
| 11:24.57 | Morti | mount /dev/hda1 /hd |
| 11:24.59 | Morti | chroot /hd |
| 11:25.09 | M4rBl3 | qualke italiano? |
| 11:25.23 | JohnGH | Morti: I can boot from a Knoppix CD - that's the same? |
| 11:25.26 | caphuso | !tell M4rBl3 about -it |
| 11:25.31 | caphuso | !tell M4rBl3 -about it |
| 11:25.32 | Morti | JohnGH: Pretty much. |
| 11:25.51 | JohnGH | Morti: OK, thanks - well I've done that already. |
| 11:25.56 | S3434_ | I was able to use dfs and use wget to download and compile latest kernel from kernel.org just today. Gnome took a little extra work. |
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| 11:26.39 | JohnGH | I'm hoping to somehow boot it instead of just chrooting. |
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| 11:27.15 | Morti | JohnGH: Why? |
| 11:27.21 | Morti | chroot then make it bootable later. |
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| 11:27.47 | JohnGH | Morti: hoe can I make it bootable again? |
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| 11:28.13 | Morti | Fiddle with LILO or something? |
| 11:28.18 | JohnGH | at the moment I can get it on the network with a knoppix CD - it's looking like I might have to copy all the data off and rebuild it from scratch |
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| 11:28.34 | JohnGH | Can I install lilo from a chroot off a Knoppix boot? |
| 11:28.56 | Morti | Yeah. |
| 11:28.59 | floppyears | JohnGH: yes |
| 11:29.16 | JohnGH | Oh OK - I've had trouble with doing things under chroot before - but if I can do it I'll try that :) |
| 11:29.23 | JohnGH | I'll come and report back soon |
| 11:29.25 | JohnGH | thank you |
| 11:29.29 | Morti | k, np |
| 11:29.34 | floppyears | JohnGH: I would suggest you go with grub |
| 11:29.47 | boylizard | how would one go about making a (bootable) livecd off of a debian installation that is on a 650 meg partition? i know mkisofs would be involved, but i dont know how to make it autoboot |
| 11:30.35 | fester | hey, my monitor does 85 htz but debian is only running it at 75. if i edit XF86Config-4 where it says "VertRefresh50-75" to 50-85 will that fix it? |
| 11:30.52 | nksen | fester: just set the correct values of your monitor in there |
| 11:31.33 | fester | so i can change the vert refresh no problems? |
| 11:32.09 | floppyears | fester: try using Ctrl+Alt+plus |
| 11:32.20 | floppyears | fester: that should switch between different resolutions |
| 11:32.23 | Pihti | fester, if your video card supports it you can use even wild refresh values |
| 11:32.30 | floppyears | one of the resoultions should give you the desired refresh rate |
| 11:33.07 | Pihti | so vertrefresh 50-85 should do the trick, if horizSync is wide enough |
| 11:33.30 | Pihti | modern hardware can read values using ddc |
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| 11:33.37 | Laibsch | apt-get refuses to install a number of packages for me (others work fine). All I see is a message from dpkg: "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10" |
| 11:33.37 | Laibsch | The packages are apache-ssl, libapache-mod-dav, libapache-mod-gzip. What is going on? |
| 11:33.59 | Laibsch | This is a strictly stable box. |
| 11:34.06 | xoz | JohnGH: use rescue option of installer and mount your root at bootprompt. installing grub in chroot does not always work. |
| 11:34.17 | fester | floppyears ctrl atl + doenst do anythingm ill just try and change it manualy |
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| 11:34.54 | coercion | Laibsh are all the dependencies isntalled as well |
| 11:34.55 | coercion | ? |
| 11:36.06 | Laibsch | coercion: Thank you for your answer. I guess they should have been (if they were declared). I used apt-get install $packagename or aptitude to install. apt-get -f install does not complain about missing deps. |
| 11:36.10 | floppyears | fester: make sure that the resolution that you are using supports that refresh rate |
| 11:36.28 | Pihti | coerchion, he is using apt-get. I suggest running apt-get update |
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| 11:37.13 | fester | =floppyears yer 1024 does :) |
| 11:37.18 | fester | killing x now |
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| 11:37.45 | Laibsch | Pihti: Thank you for the suggestion. I have done that a couple of times. |
| 11:38.16 | Laibsch | As well as pressing you inside aptitude. |
| 11:38.25 | Laibsch | s/you/you/ |
| 11:38.37 | Pihti | laibsch, hmmm. |
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| 11:38.58 | Laibsch | Damn automatic replacement, I of course meant only the letter after t. |
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| 11:39.32 | JohnGH | xoz: thanks - can I do that from a netinst CD? |
| 11:39.35 | Laibsch | Have I hit a dependency related problem ? |
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| 11:41.52 | fester | ok i just changed my xf86conf file and restarted X and im still running at 75 htz |
| 11:42.21 | sep | fester: the file you want to edit is XF86Config-4 |
| 11:42.31 | directhex|work | !xf86conf |
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| 11:42.47 | fester | sep yer sorrt thats what i edited |
| 11:42.59 | sep | !test |
| 11:43.00 | dpkg | Sorry, sep, I didn't get your test. |
| 11:43.24 | Pihti | fester, did you also check horizsync value |
| 11:43.38 | Pihti | if it is too small it won't get big |
| 11:43.50 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 11:43.53 | fester | Pihti i left that as it was |
| 11:43.59 | drac | fester: Gash.. Google monitor name and model to get those values. |
| 11:44.11 | drac | fester: Guessing them won't help anything |
| 11:44.13 | Pihti | what is horizsync value on your config? |
| 11:44.13 | fester | drac ok |
| 11:44.30 | fester | HorizSync30-65 |
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| 11:44.39 | Pihti | 65 khz is not enough |
| 11:44.49 | Pihti | you need more |
| 11:44.56 | directhex|work | google? jesus... |
| 11:44.58 | directhex|work | !hwinfo |
| 11:44.58 | dpkg | [hwinfo] your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 11:45.19 | Pihti | but if you put too high value, you might ruin your monitor |
| 11:45.32 | FieldySnuts | no you won't modern monitors of the past 10 or so years will cut the signal off |
| 11:45.34 | floppyears | fester: you have to go to google and find the horizontal and vertial ranges for your monitor, put them in the config file and then set a resolution in the config file that supports the refresh rate that you want |
| 11:45.35 | FieldySnuts | and they go into power save |
| 11:45.38 | directhex|work | monitors that blow when given bad values haven't been made for nigh on 10 years |
| 11:45.51 | JohnGH | floppyears: What can I do with grub if it's already decided to fail? |
| 11:45.54 | FieldySnuts | ~annoy directhex|work |
| 11:46.00 | FieldySnuts | apt: hi |
| 11:46.00 | apt | hello, fieldysnuts |
| 11:46.02 | Pihti | JohnGH: install lilo |
| 11:46.07 | directhex|work | why google for wrong values, when you could use a tool designed to tell you the right values as reported by the monitor itself? |
| 11:46.30 | directhex|work | never mind, i'm sure there's some really technical answer to that question |
| 11:46.58 | drac | directhex|work: manufactors page usually don't lie.. hwinfo never worked for me. but whatever works for him. |
| 11:47.11 | berzerka | how can i make find search for filenames case-insensitively? |
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| 11:47.17 | drac | and that's not guessing : ) |
| 11:47.27 | directhex|work | drac, it's surprisingly uncommon for manufacturers to give the value in an easy to find/form |
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| 11:47.53 | jm_ | berzerka: man find |
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| 11:48.11 | floppyears | JohnGH: can you re phrase your questiont I didn't understand it ? |
| 11:48.15 | defcon8 | isnt find = ls + grep? |
| 11:48.29 | berzerka | jm_: well.. the -name section doesnt say anything about it. but i will keep reading. |
| 11:48.45 | debz | so I only one question can I ask it there? |
| 11:48.47 | jm_ | berzerka: it's another switch ... |
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| 11:49.37 | berzerka | jm_: iname :) okay thank you! |
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| 11:50.59 | debz | so I have automatic proxy configuration url, how can I put it in default debian install? I asked to google but no response :) |
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| 11:51.30 | jethro | ~mp3 |
| 11:51.30 | apt | well, mp3 is (MPEG-1 layer 3) This is a compression standard for music. It enables you to fit over 100 full length songs on a single CD with almost no loss of quality. You can find MP3 players and MP3 files on the Web--you just have to look. The music industry is unhappy about MP3 files being swapped around and has shut down some sites that distribute them. |
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| 11:51.57 | JohnGH | floppyears: you said "JohnGH: I would suggest you go with grub" - but it's grub that's refusing to boot the hard disk... what can I try to get it to boot? |
| 11:52.04 | boylizard | how would one go about making a (bootable) livecd off of a debian installation that is on a 650 meg partition? i know mkisofs would be involved, but i dont know how to make it autoboot |
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| 11:52.35 | defcon8 | boylizard, i remember on nero you can make cd's bootable |
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| 11:52.44 | defcon8 | have you read k3b's docs or cdrecord's docs? |
| 11:52.57 | GuE | ÕâÀïÓÐ˵ÖÐÎĵÄÂ𣿠|
| 11:53.07 | boylizard | defcon3: no, i havent, because im on windows right now playing with vmware :) |
| 11:53.11 | Pihti | boy, get a bootable disk image and read mkisfos docs |
| 11:53.23 | boylizard | Pihti: thanks |
| 11:53.27 | jm_ | boylizard: try using ISOLINUX |
| 11:53.40 | boycer | I'm trying to set up a NIS client to allow access to only one group of users. Any hints? |
| 11:53.42 | boylizard | jm_: also thanks |
| 11:54.40 | jm_ | GRUB also supports booting from CD-ROM, it's in GRUB docs |
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| 11:55.15 | maxy | I noticed that I have several binaries in /etc/alternatives that should be symlinks. What might have caused that? |
| 11:55.29 | floppyears | JohnGH: is it having problems boot the disk or the bootimage ? |
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| 12:00.05 | GuE | i was installing Debian power cut,only one prompt "grub>",how can i install Debian again,please? |
| 12:00.07 | xtream | good morning |
| 12:00.25 | fester | H-Scanning Frequency (kHz) : 30 ~ 70kHz |
| 12:00.27 | fester | V-Scanning Frequency (Hz) : 50 ~ 160Hz |
| 12:00.39 | fester | does that sound about right for my screen? |
| 12:00.59 | defcon8 | lets use our amazing medium and telepathic skills and try to guess the make and model of your monitor |
| 12:01.17 | defcon8 | just because we have super amazing fucking powers and do not need you to tell us your model and number first |
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| 12:01.57 | fester | defcon8 LOL |
| 12:01.57 | JohnGH | floppyears: Grub starts, but when it goes to boot the kernel it gives Error 18 - I'm not sure where that comes from |
| 12:02.01 | JohnGH | hi Viddy |
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| 12:02.20 | debuser | Hi |
| 12:02.20 | fester | i ment does it sound roughly right |
| 12:02.28 | Viddy | hi JohnGH |
| 12:02.30 | defcon8 | fester, you are still being a fool |
| 12:02.33 | xtream | hi guys, i want to know how can i reconstruct my /dev/initctl ? |
| 12:02.41 | jethro | !vaguenesssmite fester |
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| 12:02.43 | debuser | Can I get rid of the copyright notice given to me when I log in across SSH? |
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| 12:03.00 | defcon8 | look in the damn monitor manual or look on the information part of your OSD menu on your monitor which we have no info of its model and make |
| 12:03.34 | fester | yer i have |
| 12:03.35 | directhex|work | fester, why not just use hwinfo? |
| 12:03.36 | jethro | defcon8: what copyright notice are you talking about? |
| 12:03.44 | defcon8 | jeffx, i |
| 12:03.47 | defcon8 | jethro, i dunno |
| 12:03.49 | jethro | debuser: ^^ |
| 12:03.52 | defcon8 | lol |
| 12:03.53 | jethro | defcon8: sorry |
| 12:04.08 | defcon8 | !vaguenesssmite defcon8 |
| 12:04.20 | defcon8 | hmm nothing special |
| 12:04.22 | xtream | someone here knows how to reconstruct the /dev/initctl ? please help me |
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| 12:04.53 | debuser | jethro: "The programs included in Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;... Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRNTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law" |
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| 12:05.07 | jethro | debuser: that's the motd iirc |
| 12:05.22 | directhex|work | yes, it is |
| 12:05.29 | jethro | debuser: just edit /etc/motd |
| 12:05.36 | jethro | directhex|work: hi |
| 12:05.45 | directhex|work | lo |
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| 12:06.26 | pete | How is software riad these days? I was thinking of playing with raid 5 on some sata drives. Can you hotswap with it? |
| 12:07.23 | debuser | jethro: worked, thanks |
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| 12:07.34 | jethro | debuser: you're welcome |
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| 12:08.01 | caphuso | pete: hotswapping requires hardware support |
| 12:08.01 | GuE | i was installing Debian the power is cut off,only one prompt "grub>",how can i install Debian again,please? |
| 12:08.06 | sep | pete hotswap is hardware related not software raid related |
| 12:08.37 | berzerka | GuE: just boot from cd again? |
| 12:09.22 | berzerka | ? i guess i got your question wrong... |
| 12:09.23 | GuE | i'm install Debian from image |
| 12:09.24 | sep | pete: but with the right controller you can hotswap drives yes, and with software raid you can make a raid arry out of them yes |
| 12:10.03 | FieldySnuts | note to hotswap, both the controller and the drive have to support it. if not, trying this is a great way to destroy hardware |
| 12:10.29 | directhex|work | note to hotswap: serial ata is designed to be hotswappable, assuming your OS allows it |
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| 12:10.36 | floppyears | JohnGH: have you tried botting different images ? |
| 12:11.01 | virgomoon | Can anyone suggest a good IRC server? I'd like to install one to support live chat with our clients. |
| 12:11.11 | JohnGH | floppyyears: Is there a way to boot off a netinst CD and mount /dev/hda1 as the root filesystem? |
| 12:11.55 | JohnGH | I've tried: linux26 root=/dev/hda1 and linux26 root=/dev/discs/disc0/part1 and they both fail with unknown (0:0) |
| 12:12.08 | floppyears | JohnGH: you would boot with the cd, then hit Alt+F2 that would shows you a terminal |
| 12:12.29 | sohn | JohnGH: the netinst does not have the modules for accessing disks |
| 12:12.33 | JohnGH | floppyears: yes, and then? |
| 12:12.43 | JohnGH | sohn: oh, OK, thanks |
| 12:12.53 | floppyears | JohnGH: then you can use "mount /dev/hda1 /dir" |
| 12:12.59 | floppyears | oU |
| 12:13.04 | floppyears | sohn: oh, I didn't know that |
| 12:13.05 | boylizard | to get the isolinux stuff, should i download the syslinux packages or? |
| 12:13.15 | floppyears | JohnGH: what is the filesystem in your hda1 ? |
| 12:13.16 | sohn | JohnGH: you have to udpkg -i ide-modules ide-core-modules.udeb |
| 12:14.04 | JohnGH | and then chroot, and then the install scripts grizzle about not having access to /dev/null and perl -e doesn't work and the install for the package that lilo depends on (libdevmapper1.01 ) fails |
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| 12:14.13 | Eulex | GuE, what's the problem? and what do you mean by "installing debian from image"? |
| 12:14.26 | pete | sep: OKi thanks. |
| 12:14.28 | JohnGH | sohn: thanks, but I can't do that before I've booted can I? :o| |
| 12:15.09 | JohnGH | floppyears: it's just a 20GB IDE disk with an ext3 filesystem and a swap file at the end |
| 12:15.27 | JohnGH | and it's on hda1 - bog standard - no? |
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| 12:15.38 | sohn | JohnGH: ok yes ! sorry ! your are right. Then include the right modules into the initrd.gz. This should work |
| 12:15.46 | pete | I was thinking of just using a mobo onboard controller for software raid, rather than buying an expsive raid controller. Are there any chipsets I should avoid. Other than the CPU overhead is there a reasion I should not use software raid? |
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| 12:16.50 | Exit83 | is there a way to get certain applications to launch using your own keyboard shortcuts? |
| 12:16.53 | JohnGH | sohn: ??? |
| 12:17.05 | xtream | liable: ping |
| 12:17.10 | JohnGH | Exit83: yes, what window manager are you using? |
| 12:17.31 | sohn | JohnGH: what netinst do you exactly mean ? Just the kernel and the initrd.gz ? |
| 12:17.31 | Exit83 | JohnGH: xfree86 |
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| 12:17.46 | JohnGH | Exit83: :-| |
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| 12:17.53 | JohnGH | that's not a window manager |
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| 12:18.18 | floppyears | JohnGH: did you change anything to your linux partition table ? create any partitions or anything like that ? |
| 12:18.21 | Eulex | Exit83, gnome? kde? fluxbox? xfce? |
| 12:18.25 | floppyears | JohnGH: how did your problem start ? |
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| 12:18.35 | Exit83 | JohnGH: i always confuse terminology, i use gnome |
| 12:18.46 | JohnGH | floppyyears: nope - they started after I did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 12:18.49 | Exit83 | JohnGH: sorry for that |
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| 12:19.01 | JohnGH | Exit83: hehehe... np |
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| 12:19.43 | ermes-mob | i have a 360 MB fetchmaillog file |
| 12:19.53 | ermes-mob | how can i rotate ? |
| 12:20.08 | drac | grep ? |
| 12:20.22 | jethro | ermes-mob: man logrotate |
| 12:20.23 | Exit83 | JohnGH: there are some shortcuts zou can set in the gnome start panel, but not for specific applications to launch (as far as i have seen) |
| 12:20.37 | floppyears | JohnGH: did you change your menu.lst file with that update ? |
| 12:20.48 | ermes-mob | thx for help jethro |
| 12:20.49 | JohnGH | Exit83: according to google:gnome+hotkeys "In gnome 2+, you can select Foot->Applications->Desktop Preferences->Keyboard |
| 12:20.52 | JohnGH | Shortcuts." |
| 12:20.59 | jethro | ermes-mob: you're welcome |
| 12:21.04 | ermes-mob | ;D |
| 12:21.39 | Exit83 | JohnGH: those are for lots of things, but not for applications, as far as i have seen, ll take another look, just to be sure |
| 12:21.57 | JohnGH | floppyears: I don't recall doing so, but it could have upgraded the kernel |
| 12:22.39 | floppyears | JohnGH: why don't you do a "ls -lh menu.lst" if it is a recent date, then it was probably changed by the upgrade script |
| 12:22.50 | sohn | d-i is great ! I am using the netboot linux & initrd.gz for a small fully flexible rescue system. You can backup&restore, anything you want ... |
| 12:23.24 | Exit83 | JohnGH: they cover some sutff but i want soöething like if you press ALT+T a terminal window opens, and i cant seem to find it |
| 12:23.52 | S3434_ | boylizard just got internet working fine on dfs |
| 12:24.25 | boylizard | S3434_: cool, ive given up on it and gone to a netinstall :) trying to make a bootable iso of it now |
| 12:24.29 | JohnGH | Exit83: I've done it before a long time ago... I remember setting up my Microsoft Natural keyboard so the extra keys worked things... but that was with Fvwm95 |
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| 12:24.30 | pete | sep: Iwas thinking of just using a mobo onboard controller for software raid, rather than buying an expsive raid controller. Are there any chipsets I should avoid. Other than the CPU overhead is there a reasion I should not use software raid? |
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| 12:25.04 | Eulex | pete, check the kernel docs for what raid chipsets are supported |
| 12:25.11 | Exit83 | JohnGH: guess ill go googling a lot then :d thx for the help though |
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| 12:25.36 | vincenz | Ugh this is so lame |
| 12:25.42 | vincenz | I don't want mozilla and epiphany |
| 12:25.44 | vincenz | caues I use firefox |
| 12:25.52 | Exit83 | then use firefox :s |
| 12:25.54 | JohnGH | Exit83: You're welcome - sorry I didn't have a pre-packaged answer - I use WindowMaker, not Gnome - so I've not had to do it. |
| 12:25.55 | vincenz | but I can't remove them because gnome and gnome-desktop depend on them??? |
| 12:26.01 | vincenz | Exit83: I do |
| 12:26.15 | pete | Eulex: yeah, i will have to do that thanks |
| 12:26.30 | Exit83 | vincenz: i think you can force remove them or so |
| 12:26.52 | Exit83 | vincenz: i installed gnome-core and dont have epiphany |
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| 12:28.02 | vincenz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.11 | vincenz | when I want to uninstall mozilla-browser |
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| 12:28.42 | caphuso | vincenz: and the problem is ...? |
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| 12:29.16 | tkooda | I get "/usr/bin/perl: relocation error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Text/Iconv/Iconv.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Gthr_key_ptr" while trying to upgrade from woody to sarge. google only suggests to "use dselect", but `dselect install` still fails with the same error |
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| 12:29.25 | Exit83 | JohnGH: i run stuff like gtkam and some other gnome related programs, is that a problem to run windowmaker and still use those programs?? |
| 12:29.32 | slf | cool. |
| 12:29.32 | tkooda | anyone else have trouble upgrading to sarge? |
| 12:29.33 | vincenz | Aha :) |
| 12:29.58 | goki | I can't mount smbfs shares as non-root, because I can't open /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 12:30.06 | goki | anything I can do about this? |
| 12:30.18 | Eulex | vincenz, gnome and gnome-desktop-environment are just meta-packages, they won't affect anything if removed |
| 12:30.27 | Exit83 | JohnGH: or does apt install the needed libs to get it yorking?? |
| 12:30.41 | JohnGH | Exit83: I think I'd get shot if I recommended you went from Gnome to Windowmaker so I'm not recommending that, but I don't see why the apps wouldn't work if you have thier libs installed. |
| 12:30.57 | Eulex | vincenz, gnome won't be removed if you remove any of them... though mozilla-browser and epiphany-browser will be removed |
| 12:31.04 | JohnGH | Exit83: are you after trying different window managers or getting hotkeys working? |
| 12:31.30 | slf | oh and somebody capped on me for using @ to echo # $* with regard to that looking like something a dos user would have in a batch file, haha, i have peter nortons guide to unix and unix for dos users for christ sake. haha. the method and the script and the layout aint as important as the play or the message or the metaphor. |
| 12:31.52 | vincenz | Eulex: I added mozilla-firefox-gnome-support |
| 12:31.52 | vincenz | that fixed it |
| 12:32.08 | Eulex | vincenz, heh, ok |
| 12:32.10 | ermes-mob | jethro |
| 12:32.19 | Ronin | slf: you still going on about that? yeesshh that was hours ago |
| 12:32.20 | jethro | ermes-mob: ? |
| 12:32.21 | goki | A haha is a low wall, invisible from one side due to a difference in ground level... why do you keep referring to such landscaping features, slf? |
| 12:32.23 | vincenz | I didn't know that packages could depend on | |
| 12:32.24 | Raf256 | so... |
| 12:32.31 | Raf256 | any sites using FFII demo? |
| 12:32.33 | ermes-mob | i have read the logrotate man |
| 12:32.34 | slf | Ronin: ya i thought it was funny - i just edited that thing ;) |
| 12:32.45 | goki | Raf256, I was gonna, but no one goes to my site anyway |
| 12:32.46 | ermes-mob | but there is 1 think i have not understood |
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| 12:32.54 | goki | Raf256, I've got an old banner up though |
| 12:32.59 | Raf256 | goki: me to |
| 12:33.09 | goki | Anyone know about that thing with smb.conf though? |
| 12:33.14 | Raf256 | ...hmm do we parhaps have any nuclear phisics scietists here? |
| 12:33.19 | ermes-mob | is it possible to break log files , but not delete them ? |
| 12:33.19 | Exit83 | JohnGH: lol, why do you think so??? and im doing both, i dont use my gui a lot, i do most stuff through terminal (hence why i try to get a terminal shortcut) but i still need a gui for stuff like this, irc, msn, surfing. i used fluxbox in the past but that was befor i did used linux 100% of the time |
| 12:33.26 | jethro | ermes-mob: just go ahead, and ask. but please try to keep as many words as possible on the same line |
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| 12:33.37 | shellhack | I need some help |
| 12:33.39 | jethro | ermes-mob: and prefix your lines with my nick. it's easier to follow that way. |
| 12:33.51 | floppyears | shellhack: just ask away |
| 12:33.51 | shellhack | I want to install limewire in knoppix v3.7 |
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| 12:33.57 | slf | i'm like the cactus w/cactus diaries from some final fantasy playstation game where u go and do your quests and when you come back to your house your cactus tells you what it came up with as it meditated on the last conversation it had with you. ;) |
| 12:34.05 | Ronin | shellhack: tried in #knoppix? |
| 12:34.05 | Eulex | !tell shellhack about knoppix |
| 12:34.10 | goki | shellhack, I wouldn't touch limewire with a long stick |
| 12:34.16 | floppyears | shellhack: what's your problem ? |
| 12:34.18 | Exit83 | slf: :) |
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| 12:34.38 | jethro | ermes-mob: the files aren't deleted, they're just renamed. |
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| 12:35.06 | ermes-mob | ah ok |
| 12:35.09 | ermes-mob | thx again |
| 12:35.25 | goki | Does anyone know what I should do with /etc/samba/smb.conf that is inaccessible to user trying to mount an AMB share? |
| 12:35.27 | JohnGH | Exit83: well Windowmaker is a lot smaller than Gnome or KDE and uses less resources - it's got a lot less features and less Windowsy |
| 12:35.28 | shellhack | floppyears: I want to limewire |
| 12:35.30 | goki | SMB share* |
| 12:35.38 | shellhack | floppyears: in knoppix |
| 12:35.44 | FieldySnuts | ask #knoppix |
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| 12:36.09 | jethro | !seen tra1a1a |
| 12:36.09 | dpkg | tra1a1a <~joro@206.direct-36-24.bgcell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 34d 22h 18m 29s ago, saying: 'jethro: good to know but not really helping in this case'. |
| 12:36.10 | directhex|work | shellhack, i want half life 2 in slackware. |
| 12:36.29 | Exit83 | johngh: yell i use gnome-core, so a lot of gnome features are already gone :) |
| 12:36.39 | floppyears | shellhack: I believe you will have to install java |
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| 12:37.26 | tkooda | my sarge upgrade is stuck and nothing seems to work. what does "/usr/bin/perl: relocation error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Text/Iconv/Iconv.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Gthr_key_ptr" mean? |
| 12:38.22 | Exit83 | JohnGH: i meant well instead of yell, as of friday im using a german keyboard and im still adapting to the layout :) |
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| 12:38.33 | Eulex | tkooda, have you read the upgrading how-to |
| 12:38.47 | NichtMuede | I need to setup an alias name for test.dyndns.org, i.e. "ping jack" needs to ping test.dyndns.org. How can I do that? |
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| 12:38.51 | alonso | hi all |
| 12:39.05 | alonso | i just install debian today |
| 12:39.08 | vali | NichtMuede, edit /etc/hosts |
| 12:39.20 | vali | quick and dirty :P |
| 12:39.22 | Exit83 | alonso congrats ;) |
| 12:39.26 | tkooda | Eulex, yes. (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html) |
| 12:39.30 | ermes-mob | looks like a stupid question: is there a log file to see if logrotate works ? |
| 12:39.32 | Eulex | !win alonso |
| 12:39.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, alonso! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 12:39.53 | alonso | the problem occurred with volume-control |
| 12:39.53 | ermes-mob | ;D |
| 12:39.57 | JohnGH | Exit83: hehehe |
| 12:40.06 | NichtMuede | vali: thanks. But the problem is that my linux box is running bind to serve as name server for my LAN. I have to setup this for my clients. |
| 12:40.11 | Eulex | alonso, what is the problem then? |
| 12:40.11 | incorrect | is it possible to do something like ssh file-server tar -cjf localhostmachine.tar.bz2 /file/system/* ? |
| 12:40.15 | tkooda | eulex, no combination of `apt-get [-f] {,dist-}upgrade` or `dselect {update,install}` seems to work |
| 12:40.16 | Exit83 | alonso: which version?? SID? |
| 12:40.21 | floppyears | alonso: great, now you must learn a lot debian is a great distro, but it takes some reading :( |
| 12:40.29 | alonso | Exit83: yes |
| 12:40.45 | Exit83 | alonso: typical |
| 12:40.47 | incorrect | floppyears, which distro doesn't require some reading? |
| 12:40.59 | ermes-mob | win |
| 12:41.00 | Laibsch | coercion: In case you are interested about the likely culprit to my earliers problems with libapache-mod-* and apache-ssl: bug # 243433 |
| 12:41.01 | ermes-mob | :| |
| 12:41.03 | tkooda | incorrect, ubuntu |
| 12:41.07 | Exit83 | alonso: dont use sid unless you want to screw around a lot :) |
| 12:41.10 | jethro | ermes-mob: on debian, look at /var/win/logrotate/status |
| 12:41.15 | incorrect | tkooda, really? |
| 12:41.27 | jethro | s/win/lib/ |
| 12:41.36 | Eulex | alonso, why did you install sid? |
| 12:41.36 | tkooda | incorrect, try the live cd for example |
| 12:41.55 | incorrect | tkooda, my friend tried to install it, and it was a total pig |
| 12:42.03 | floppyears | incorrect: true, but with debian you don't have a lot of gui tools, that you can get around just clicking here and there |
| 12:42.06 | Exit83 | alonso: SID is the unstable version |
| 12:42.09 | directhex|work | tkooda, so you dind't read the upgrading instructions, the bit about neding to use aptitude? |
| 12:42.13 | tkooda | incorrect, I've had two managers install it w/out problems |
| 12:42.20 | incorrect | floppyears, i don't understand what a gui is |
| 12:42.29 | alonso | i want to try it?? |
| 12:42.31 | floppyears | incorrect: hehe :) |
| 12:42.35 | NichtMuede | Can anyone tell me how to setup DNS name alias to a foreign host using bind? |
| 12:42.40 | floppyears | incorrect: graphical user interface |
| 12:42.45 | incorrect | i just use my usb keyring and debootstrab my systems |
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| 12:42.54 | incorrect | strap even |
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| 12:43.08 | alonso | What effects that occurred when i used SID |
| 12:43.27 | incorrect | alonso, loss of mind, self worth, |
| 12:43.27 | Eulex | alonso, if you're new to debian, use stable or testing |
| 12:43.36 | tkooda | directhex|work, "Once your system has reached Sarge it is advisable to use aptitude instead of apt-get." --but I'm still upgrading TO sarge (i.e. woody dosn't have aptitude installed) |
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| 12:43.37 | FieldySnuts | incorrect: heh. |
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| 12:43.38 | incorrect | will to live? |
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| 12:43.48 | Exit83 | alonso: if you dont have a lot of linux/debian experience and dont yant to screy around, go yith etch or sarge |
| 12:43.49 | InitMass | what does MPI enviroment mean? |
| 12:43.57 | greycat | tkooda: you should install aptitude first, as all of the documentation says. |
| 12:44.01 | alonso | i see, for unstable |
| 12:44.04 | doublehp | any one can recommend me a GUI for sudo ? |
| 12:44.08 | Exit83 | alonso and replace y with w |
| 12:44.22 | jethro | doublehp: a gui for sudo? what do you want the gui to do? |
| 12:44.28 | JohnGH | NichtMuede: cname |
| 12:44.28 | directhex|work | InitMass, MPI is a standard for cluster programming. an MPI environment would be an MPI library (e.g. MPICH, MPIpro) plus all assorted binaries, plus environemtn variables, etc |
| 12:44.31 | Eulex | !tell alonso about unstable |
| 12:44.32 | Exit83 | alonso: i keep typing y insted of w |
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| 12:44.50 | NichtMuede | !tell NichtMuede about bind |
| 12:45.02 | tkooda | greycat, the update documentation I found at "http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html" only suggests installing aptitude AFTER upgrading to sarge |
| 12:45.04 | doublehp | jethro: ask sudo password, and run a command |
| 12:45.07 | floppyears | greycat: could you give me a link to that documentation ? |
| 12:45.12 | Exit83 | !tell Exit83about unstable |
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| 12:45.16 | incorrect | i have a file server and i want to tar up some dirs remotely over the network, i can see how to push but not pull |
| 12:45.26 | Exit83 | !tell Exit83 about unstable |
| 12:45.29 | tkooda | greycat, any suggestions how to fix my now broken woody/sarge system? |
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| 12:45.33 | Eulex | Exit83, why not just ask dpkg about unstable? /msg dpkg unstable |
| 12:45.37 | FieldySnuts | consider rsync over ssh, or rsync to an rsyncd |
| 12:45.51 | jethro | doublehp: I don't get the point |
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| 12:45.54 | InitMass | directhex|work, that sounds complicated |
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| 12:46.00 | doublehp | jethro: I do :D |
| 12:46.14 | alonso | y |
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| 12:46.26 | NichtMuede | JohnGH: Thanks. But I am too stupid to set it up. Specifically, I don't know into which file to put in "test.dydns.org CNAME jack". |
| 12:46.36 | Exit83 | Eulex: im not familiqr with the bot and didnt knew that :) thx for the tip though |
| 12:46.37 | jethro | doublehp: sorry, I can't help if I don't get the point :) |
| 12:47.06 | directhex|work | tkooda, odd, i just checked the sarge manual, it clearly describes the process you need to take, inclusing using aptitude |
| 12:47.07 | alonso | i see, Exit83, Eulex |
| 12:47.09 | doublehp | jethro: gksu from my old tips :) |
| 12:47.10 | greycat | tkooda: one package at a time. |
| 12:47.13 | JohnGH | NichtMuede: oh OK :-( - well who set bind up in the first place? |
| 12:47.14 | directhex|work | tkooda, i think it's also in the release notes |
| 12:47.14 | petemc | incorrect: ssh machine tar cp $dir | tar xp |
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| 12:47.26 | NichtMuede | JohnGH: apt-get :-) |
| 12:47.42 | tkooda | directhex|work, got urls for either of those? -are you saying "http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html" is incorrect? |
| 12:48.00 | NichtMuede | JohnGH: I just inserted two forwarders into the configuration files... I have no local zones... |
| 12:48.02 | directhex|work | http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 12:48.43 | JohnGH | NichtMuede: which configuration file? |
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| 12:49.37 | Exit83 | alonso: there probably is a solution for it, but a lot of ppl in here dont try to offer help for unstable as it is more sort of a: you tryunstable?? you search for solutions kinda thingie. which is normal i think seeing as SID gives a lot of probs sometimes, it would be a waste of time helping everyone with SID problems. At least, thats what i think |
| 12:49.37 | NichtMuede | JohnGH: I inserted the forwarders into named.conf.options |
| 12:49.41 | InitMass | directhex|work, i'm trying to set up DCV and they are talking about MPI in the manual. it's fuckin' complicated this :( |
| 12:50.03 | tkooda | hrmm, well if 'aptitude' is required for the woody->sarge upgrade, perhaps "http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html" should be updated |
| 12:50.24 | NichtMuede | NichtMuede: But I don't know where to insert CNAME entries... I doubt that I have to insert them into named.conf.options, right? |
| 12:50.28 | PerfDave | tkooda: Thanks for volunteering. I hope to see your patch for the documentation soon. |
| 12:50.29 | tkooda | any suggestions on how to fix my upgrade thou? |
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| 12:50.56 | FieldySnuts | NichtMuede: CNAME entries go into the zone files. if you don't understand what this means, then I would strongly suggest reading the DNS howto (or was it bind howto) |
| 12:50.58 | directhex|work | InitMass, dcv? |
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| 12:51.02 | tkooda | PerfDave, I'll try to submit a bug/patch once my system works again |
| 12:51.13 | Exit83 | tkooda i thought upgrading was just adjusting your sources.list and do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 12:51.26 | PerfDave | Exit83: You thought wrong ;) |
| 12:51.40 | InitMass | directhex|work, made by IBM for visualizing big amounts of data |
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| 12:51.42 | tkooda | Exit83, apparently `apt-get install aptitude && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade` |
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| 12:51.51 | NichtMuede | FieldySnuts: Can you tell me the default zone file for my local LAN? |
| 12:51.58 | Exit83 | tkooda interesting |
| 12:52.22 | directhex|work | InitMass, oh, that sounds like it's pretty obviously going to be MPI-based. then again, i work in clustering. |
| 12:52.24 | NichtMuede | FieldySnuts: I found many zone declarations in named.conf |
| 12:52.28 | PerfDave | Why don't people try reading the goddamn Sarge manual about upgrading from previous versions, rather than spewing stupidity over IRC? |
| 12:52.32 | Eulex | tkooda, didn't they just tell you tat you should use aptitude to upgrade? |
| 12:52.34 | greycat | NichtMuede: one per zone, usually. |
| 12:52.36 | PerfDave | Oh wait, people can't fucking read round here. |
| 12:52.44 | InitMass | directhex|work, me too |
| 12:52.44 | alonso | Exit83 : if i change it to stabel or testing now, is it necessary ot fresh install? |
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| 12:52.52 | thirst | my sound o/p is very fast on my debian system, when I play some audio files, but they work fine on Fedora, how can i fix this problem.. |
| 12:52.53 | InitMass | directhex|work, but i'm just a trainee |
| 12:52.58 | PerfDave | alonso: Read the manual, don't rely on idiots on IRC. |
| 12:53.00 | tkooda | PerfDave, the "Debian Reference: Chapter 5 - Upgrading a distribution to stable, testing, or unstable" I found didn't say to install aptitude first. |
| 12:53.19 | FieldySnuts | NichtMuede: nope. you need to read that howto, so you will better understand DNS and how zone files work. if you just go randomly editing things, you'll break it. invest about 20 minutes. |
| 12:53.20 | Exit83 | alonso iö afraid you need fresh install, but im by far no expert on this |
| 12:53.24 | directhex|work | InitMass, if you have a cluster, you should have an mpirun binary of some sort in place. perhaps even a job scheduler like torque or gridengine |
| 12:53.29 | PerfDave | tkooda: SO READ THE FUCKING MANUAL FOR THE FUCKING THING YOU'RE FUCKING WELL UPGRADING TO, YOU FUCKING MORON! |
| 12:53.33 | tkooda | Eulex, yes. they told me I need aptitude, but dpkg/apt/dselect is unable to install it |
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| 12:53.39 | Exit83 | PerfDave: sorry if i sound like an idiot :s |
| 12:53.44 | Ronin | lol i see perfdave missed his meds this mornign |
| 12:53.45 | FieldySnuts | that ruled. |
| 12:53.47 | tkooda | PerfDave, I did: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html |
| 12:53.51 | NichtMuede | FieldySnuts: I feared that anser :-) But thanks anyway... |
| 12:53.51 | FieldySnuts | he left |
| 12:53.55 | InitMass | directhex|work, oh at least i've heard about gridengine |
| 12:53.59 | directhex|work | tkooda, that's not the sarge manual |
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| 12:54.08 | Eulex | tkooda, umh? no aptitude in woody or what? |
| 12:54.30 | tkooda | directhex|work, the "Chapter 5 - Upgrading a distribution to stable, testing, or unstable" fooled me then |
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| 12:54.37 | greycat | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 12:54.37 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 12:54.37 | sts | hello folks |
| 12:54.38 | InitMass | directhex|work, they are giving me very hard tasks to do. they said tryout lustre and you can try out dcv aswell |
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| 12:55.02 | deltron | did non-us get merged into everything? |
| 12:55.07 | NichtMuede | Thanks for your help guys. I'll try to cope with that fuckin DNS howto... |
| 12:55.09 | greycat | deltron: /topic |
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| 12:55.20 | tkooda | Eulex, yup. aptitude is in woody, but the dist-upgrade attempt w/out it broke perl in such a way that apt-get/dselect/dpkg refuses to work |
| 12:55.30 | deltron | taht's where i saw it greycat |
| 12:55.32 | Ahri | hi, using the ini_set() functions of PHP on my woody server doesn't seem to have any effect, is this something weird with the debian package? |
| 12:55.37 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 12:55.39 | directhex|work | tkooda, seeing as it refers to sarge as testing, yes, it seems it fooled you |
| 12:55.39 | sts | how can i find out which files belong to which debian package? |
| 12:55.44 | greycat | sts: man dpkg |
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| 12:55.49 | sts | greycat: thx |
| 12:55.51 | directhex|work | InitMass, yes, those are both non-trivial tasks |
| 12:56.08 | alonso | PerfDave: thanks, because of my english language is not good, when i read it, it take more time |
| 12:56.18 | InitMass | directhex|work, i don't think that's fair to demand a trainee to do |
| 12:56.38 | directhex|work | InitMass, i agree. i wouldnb't be confident doing either of those, at my current level. |
| 12:57.03 | InitMass | directhex|work, and for how long have you been working with clusters? |
| 12:57.11 | directhex|work | InitMass, about a year |
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| 12:57.41 | InitMass | directhex|work, and i've been here for 1 month |
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| 12:58.14 | directhex|work | InitMass, getting a trainee to deploy kernel modules like lustre on a production facility is far from sensible |
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| 12:58.29 | tkooda | directhex|work, do you have any suggestions on how to fix a broken woody->sarge upgrade (w/out aptitude installed) |
| 12:58.40 | InitMass | directhex|work, they haven't even used lustre themselves |
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| 12:58.49 | FieldySnuts | which is why you have a test system for abuyse |
| 12:58.58 | VivekVC | Are the packages in debian testing updated now ? |
| 12:59.05 | D3v1L | in dpkg -l the third line |
| 12:59.07 | D3v1L | Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad |
| 12:59.09 | greycat | tkooda: install the packages by hand using dpkg -i. |
| 12:59.11 | D3v1L | what it means |
| 12:59.13 | D3v1L | ? |
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| 12:59.32 | directhex|work | tkooda, get an aptitude .deb, and run dpkg -i thefile.deb ? |
| 12:59.40 | VivekVC | my /etc/apt/sources.list point to testing |
| 12:59.47 | directhex|work | tkooda, i've never given woody any time, it hasn't worked on any of my hardware |
| 13:00.05 | tarzeau | WWW.CAFEPRESS.COM/ubunto |
| 13:00.16 | FieldySnuts | um? |
| 13:00.19 | tkooda | greycat, I tried installing aptitude with `dpkg -i` but gives dependancy errors. I'll nab those .debs and install 'em with dpkg -i first. thanks for the tip |
| 13:00.21 | InitMass | directhex|work, but today i've been working with dcv mostly. but i don't like to ask for help. i guess i'm putting to much expectations on my shoulders |
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| 13:00.48 | tarzeau | VivekVC: you know? http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
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| 13:01.01 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: crap their webserver sucks, that works: |
| 13:01.06 | tarzeau | www.cafepress.com/ubunto |
| 13:01.29 | FieldySnuts | k |
| 13:01.36 | D3v1L | Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) what does this means? |
| 13:01.45 | FieldySnuts | probably not to use uppercase |
| 13:01.51 | greycat | D3v1L: it's a HEADER. |
| 13:01.57 | greycat | !FAQ D3v1L |
| 13:01.58 | dpkg | D3v1L: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:02.12 | D3v1L | thanks |
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| 13:05.56 | deltron | is there an upgrade guide from woody to sarge? |
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| 13:06.29 | tralala | deltron: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 13:06.35 | deltron | danke |
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| 13:06.39 | tralala | bitte |
| 13:07.09 | deltron | sarge replaced woody in stable, right? |
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| 13:07.26 | directhex|work | deltron, a while back, yes |
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| 13:07.54 | boylizard | i attempt to run 'mkisofs -o /mnt/liskonix-0-0-1.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table /', and it says it ignores a bunch of symlinks and then says 'Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory isolinux!' |
| 13:07.55 | boylizard | any ideas? |
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| 13:08.17 | tralala | man mkisofs? |
| 13:08.34 | D3v1L | boylizard have u tried the absolute paths? |
| 13:08.43 | boylizard | D3v1L: yes |
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| 13:09.09 | boylizard | well |
| 13:09.10 | boylizard | nm then |
| 13:09.16 | doublehp | is there a CLI command that waits until a key is pressed ? any key ... even space or shift |
| 13:09.36 | boylizard | i fixed it. thanks (it was a noobish 'im in the wrong directory to start with' type error :)) |
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| 13:10.11 | tralala | !wayttd doublehp |
| 13:10.12 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, doublehp? |
| 13:10.52 | pete | anyone recommend a budjet single cpu AMD server board, FX64 or opteron.? |
| 13:11.02 | Guerin | doublehp: until |
| 13:11.06 | Guerin | doublehp: and read |
| 13:11.21 | FieldySnuts | server, go opteron |
| 13:11.50 | plovs | I want to create a meta-package that pulls another package and then overwrites the conf-files in etc. I use "Replaces: <packagename>", but still get a complaint: trying to overwrite `/etc/tinyp etc |
| 13:11.54 | pete | Anyone know whats not to pricy |
| 13:12.02 | plovs | what do i do wrong? |
| 13:12.11 | claudio_ | doublehp: you can write something that uses termios and unset ICANON for space, but something that grabs shift would work only on a vt AFAIK |
| 13:12.13 | doublehp | tralala: close/logout current term as soon as any key is pressed ... |
| 13:12.27 | doublehp | claudio_: read may be enough .... |
| 13:12.54 | elephant | Hi all |
| 13:12.55 | jethro | tralala: I missed you! |
| 13:12.58 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: except you can't really get a 'budget' opteron board :) |
| 13:12.58 | jethro | !irritate tralala |
| 13:12.59 | dpkg | tralala: HELP ME!!! who uses sound plz msg me, Gooser_work |
| 13:13.08 | tralala | !confuse jethro |
| 13:13.09 | dpkg | No, them was our pineapple today, jethro? pants of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 13:13.16 | FieldySnuts | 'server' and 'budget' are an oxymoron |
| 13:13.26 | kubeelai_khan | hi guys... |
| 13:13.27 | abrotman | exactly |
| 13:13.40 | FieldySnuts | also, if you aren't going to run 64-bit stuff on it, don't be a dummy. stay with 32-bit. |
| 13:13.45 | jethro | FieldySnuts: that would all depend on where you are :) |
| 13:13.48 | elephant | Why does a server has _SERVER["DOCUMENT_ROOT] with trailing slash "domain/" and mine doesnt with the same Var (like : "domain") |
| 13:13.51 | peterS | no, 'budget' just means something different in the context of 'server' |
| 13:13.55 | kubeelai_khan | why i always get error while playing vcd? i said i/o error .... |
| 13:14.00 | tralala | doublehp: does it have to be any key or you can live with enter? |
| 13:14.05 | peterS | like Intel as opposed to SPARC |
| 13:14.11 | claudio_ | doublehp: the easiest way is probably s/any key/any key except shift/ |
| 13:14.14 | doublehp | tralala: I d prefer any key ... |
| 13:14.20 | elephant | What config part make this ? |
| 13:14.24 | doublehp | claudio_: shift is accepted :) |
| 13:14.38 | tkooda | greycat, thanks for the `dpkg -i` tip. installing each broken package (and depandancys) is allowing me to continue with the woody->sarge upgrade. thanks. |
| 13:14.43 | peterS | doublehp: just make sure whichever key you label as 'any' produces a printable character |
| 13:14.55 | kubeelai_khan | is it something on kernel?? |
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| 13:15.13 | doublehp | peterS: not any key to print char, but any switch of the keyboard to be pressed :) |
| 13:15.22 | stazz | What is correct way to upgrade from pre-release sarge to current sarge? |
| 13:15.34 | abrotman | stazz: point your sources at sarge .. and upgrade |
| 13:15.43 | stazz | abrotman: and it's safe, et cetera ? |
| 13:15.46 | abrotman | stazz: and i mean sarge .. not testing .. |
| 13:15.49 | abrotman | stazz: it should be |
| 13:16.05 | boylizard | how would one share a directory to be available for read/write access from a windows computer via the commandline? |
| 13:16.05 | abrotman | currently sarge is stable .. and etch is testing .. so point sources at sarge |
| 13:16.09 | peterS | doublehp: so, if you can rely on kernel 2.6, you can open /dev/input/event0 and friends, figure out which are keyboards, and wait for an appropriate event |
| 13:16.10 | stazz | abrotman: I was just worried about the large number of upgrades |
| 13:16.16 | Guerin | boylizard: one would use samba |
| 13:16.25 | abrotman | stazz: when is the last time you upgraded the box ? |
| 13:16.31 | greycat | boylizard: "via the commandline" is a null phrase. |
| 13:16.31 | stazz | abrotman: it's been a while |
| 13:16.33 | doublehp | peterS: I am not to write C, but using BASH |
| 13:16.36 | peterS | doublehp: if not, you are stuck doing what xfree86 does, opening the keyboard device direct from hardware |
| 13:16.37 | stazz | abrotman: month or two, maybe |
| 13:16.41 | boylizard | greycat: ? |
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| 13:16.47 | abrotman | stazz: ok .. just make sure it's pointing at stable .. |
| 13:16.47 | D3v1L | boylizard u have to setup samba |
| 13:16.53 | greycat | boylizard: it has no meaning. EVERYTHING on a unix box is "from the commandline". |
| 13:17.05 | c0al | How can i make dpkg -l show the entire .deb package name? |
| 13:17.09 | stazz | abrotman: eg. deb ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/mirrors/debian/ sarge main |
| 13:17.11 | greycat | !faq c0al |
| 13:17.12 | dpkg | c0al: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 13:17.21 | boylizard | greycat: unless you use gui, then it wouldnt be technically considered directly from it. i meant in a console only session |
| 13:17.30 | Guerin | boylizard: the things that aren't 'from the commandline' actually are. |
| 13:17.37 | greycat | boylizard: what kind of a fucking moron would use a GUI to administer a unix box? |
| 13:17.46 | stazz | abrotman: would that be a good/safe line? :) |
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| 13:18.01 | boylizard | greycat: it was an example... |
| 13:18.07 | greycat | !command line |
| 13:18.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, command line is In the Beginning was the Command Line, or http://cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html or http://econ161.berkeley.edu/OpEd/virtual/stephenson_beginning.html |
| 13:18.13 | Guerin | boylizard: in other words: there's nothing any gui can do that doesn't translate more or less directly into commands you can key in at a cli. |
| 13:18.36 | mindlace | Which explains the popularity of CLI CAD programs. |
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| 13:18.39 | D3v1L | boylizard u have to setup samba, in google samba |
| 13:18.45 | FieldySnuts | ~u |
| 13:18.46 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:18.52 | peterS | mindlace: yep. autocad is a best seller |
| 13:18.57 | boylizard | Guerin: yes i know |
| 13:19.01 | boylizard | D3v1L: thank you |
| 13:19.03 | peterS | mindlace: it's no coincidence that it has a command line |
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| 13:19.14 | D3v1L | boylizard no problem =) |
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| 13:20.24 | mindlace | man, debian kicks ass. |
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| 13:20.50 | mindlace | that was extremely painless |
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| 13:21.18 | tralala | mindlace: it does, doesn't it? |
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| 13:22.30 | mindlace | I had a mixed testing/unstable/stable system for almost the whole duration of 3.0 ... and I just upgraded to stable trivially |
| 13:22.56 | c0al | thanks to who ever pointed me to the faq ;) |
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| 13:23.12 | Chan0P | hi |
| 13:23.24 | Pihti | I just used the keyword "sarge" in there... |
| 13:23.42 | Pihti | so it became "stable" :) |
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| 13:24.33 | tralala | exactly as the topic says... |
| 13:24.35 | Chan0P | i downloaded debian 3.1 iso image and the first cd doesnt't contains common-ide driver. so it isn't recognise my ide hdd. what can i do? |
| 13:24.35 | boylizard | example: net rpc share add Bulge=/data -S MERLIN -Uroot%not24get what does the -S and everything after it mean? it doesnt explain it in the howto, not anywhere near the example |
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| 13:25.07 | caphuso | boylizard: man net |
| 13:25.18 | boylizard | the logical thing to do... of course i dont do it :) thanks |
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| 13:26.40 | boycer | There must be a way to do this - restrict access to a NIS client to members of a certain NIS group (or netgroup). Anyone know how? |
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| 13:27.31 | sohn | Chan0P: what url you download the images from ? |
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| 13:27.49 | tralala | boycer: I assume google didn't return anything about nis howto or more specific request on the topic? |
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| 13:28.24 | Chan0P | from ftp://ftp.hu.debian.org/pub/CDROM-Images/debian |
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| 13:28.31 | boycer | tralala: plenty of NIS howtos, or rather plenty of copies of the same howto, but no help on this particular problem. |
| 13:28.36 | Morti | How do I set a variable in a script based on output of another program, say "grep"? |
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| 13:29.19 | caphuso | Morti: FOO=$(grep ...) |
| 13:29.30 | yxa | what are the difference between .a and .so files in /usr/lib or /lib? |
| 13:29.47 | peterS | yxa: if you're using debian you don't need to worry about the distinction |
| 13:29.47 | Morti | And that could be FOO#$(grep ... | sed ...)? |
| 13:29.48 | caphuso | but don't tell me you want to use that to read in your bash script config file |
| 13:29.49 | jm_ | yxa: use file on them |
| 13:29.58 | peterS | Morti: no, FOO= assigns the result to $FOO |
| 13:30.14 | Morti | FOO=, not sure where the # came from. |
| 13:30.16 | tralala | yxa: for lib in /usr/lib/*a; do diff -u $lib ${lib#*a}.so; done |
| 13:30.32 | Morti | caphuso: Seems to be the simplest way to do what I want. |
| 13:30.32 | tralala | sort of... |
| 13:30.35 | boycer | tralala: perhaps pam would be a better bet for this... you know any group-restricting pam magic by any chance? |
| 13:30.36 | caphuso | Morti: bullshit |
| 13:30.50 | caphuso | Morti: again, read the documentation for the source builtin |
| 13:30.54 | Morti | Watch your language, please. |
| 13:30.57 | Morti | What source builtin? |
| 13:31.06 | peterS | Morti: he means the 'source' bash command |
| 13:31.07 | tralala | boycer: sorry, to me pam = the deepest black magic after the kernel hacking |
| 13:31.09 | greycat | !fuck Morti |
| 13:31.09 | caphuso | uh, the one in bash |
| 13:31.20 | boylizard | ouch. screwed by dpkg |
| 13:31.30 | boycer | tralala: ta anyway... a-googling I go. |
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| 13:31.40 | ricky_clarkson | !rpm |
| 13:31.40 | dpkg | it has been said that rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method |
| 13:31.59 | ricky_clarkson | I just wanted a funny expansion of rpm. Fantastic. ;) |
| 13:32.00 | yxa | peterS does that mean if a prog can't file a .so file and there is a .a, i can symlink it? |
| 13:32.03 | incorrect | ssh nfs tar -C /space/ -cf - nfs/ 1> /space/tmp/nfs.tar works fine however if i do -cjf it get garbage at the end of the time when i restore |
| 13:32.10 | Morti | What do I do with the source bash command? |
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| 13:32.25 | greycat | Morti: help source |
| 13:32.25 | peterS | yxa: nope. what program can't find a .so? normally it doesn't look for a .so but for a .so.1 or similar |
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| 13:32.33 | caphuso | Morti: the obvious: you source your config file |
| 13:32.55 | Morti | Okay, and that can set variables for usage in a script? |
| 13:33.04 | caphuso | Morti: it does whatever you put in it |
| 13:33.05 | jm_ | !win Morti |
| 13:33.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, Morti! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:33.07 | zulkifar | Hi. I use k3b but dislike its huge fonts. How to change them? |
| 13:33.11 | Guerin | it's a shell script |
| 13:33.11 | Morti | Cool. |
| 13:33.19 | Guerin | it does whatever a shell script can do |
| 13:33.25 | Guerin | which is to say, practically anything |
| 13:33.34 | D3v1L | is here any developer who can sponsor me? |
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| 13:33.48 | pete | anyone used one of these on limux? Gigabyte GA K8N Ultra 9 |
| 13:33.52 | abrotman | stazz: looks ok .. apt-setup will set up lines for you |
| 13:33.55 | sohn | Chan0P: checking that url I only say woody rc2 there. |
| 13:34.03 | abrotman | pete: that's not opteron |
| 13:34.04 | yxa | peterS someone is trying to run some commercial s/w and it looks for libxml2.so |
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| 13:34.34 | sohn | Chan0P: s/say/saw/g |
| 13:34.50 | tralala | D3v1L: #debian-mentors |
| 13:35.15 | incorrect | sponsor you? |
| 13:35.15 | D3v1L | tralala: im trying but nobody answers me |
| 13:35.29 | D3v1L | incorrect yes, i mantain the package apollon |
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| 13:35.36 | pete | abrotman: yeh, but it looks nice, heh |
| 13:35.39 | incorrect | ok |
| 13:35.44 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:35.45 | peterS | yxa: libxml2.so actually goes by the name libxml2.so.2 |
| 13:35.56 | directhex|work | pete, #debian-amd64 |
| 13:36.06 | D3v1L | but not only upload my package |
| 13:36.09 | directhex|work | pete, or even #amd64 since your question wasn't debian specific |
| 13:36.10 | peterS | yxa: so I find it a *little* hard to believe a program, commercial or otherwise, is asking for libxml2.so |
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| 13:36.20 | pete | directhex|work: ooh, there is a 64 channel, I should have know |
| 13:36.36 | peterS | yxa: anyway, the 'libxml2' package includes files of both names |
| 13:36.37 | pete | Well i asked it here coz you guys are so great, and knowlegeable |
| 13:36.37 | D3v1L | incorrect if u can give me some hints |
| 13:36.39 | D3v1L | =) |
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| 13:37.41 | abrotman | !tell D3v1L about u |
| 13:37.41 | ircdevil | there is a pun here - i am sure - i just dont have a clue: http://3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.com/ |
| 13:37.45 | yxa | peterS well believe it :) |
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| 13:38.12 | caphuso | Guerin: a maniac on comp.unix.shell has written a bash interface to libwebserver, you might want to check that out |
| 13:38.21 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 13:38.44 | caphuso | http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/index.html#libwebserver |
| 13:38.57 | larsrohdin | how can i burn a cd in linux, so that a older macintosh can read it? is that even possible? |
| 13:39.09 | greycat | ircdevil: I don't see a pun. just something horribly, horribly geeky. |
| 13:39.28 | D3v1L | sorr abrotman, i ill use you instead of u =) |
| 13:39.29 | caphuso | the sad thing is that he doesn't ever do anything actually useful :-/ |
| 13:39.36 | peterS | yxa: actually, looking again, you need the 'libxml2-dev' package to get the symlink for libxml2.so itself. it's still Just Wrong to runtime-link that file, and I wonder how it happened, and whether it's compatible with Debian's libxml at all |
| 13:40.14 | llama32 | anyone in AU got the time? |
| 13:40.30 | peterS | llama32: run this: TZ=Australia/Melbourne date |
| 13:40.32 | tralala | D3v1L: thank you |
| 13:40.54 | peterS | llama32: it says 23:40:54 here |
| 13:41.03 | ircdevil | greycat: some japaneze dude broke the record in memorizing pi decimals - something ala 84000 beating the old record of only 42000 |
| 13:41.03 | FieldySnuts | ~fix peterS' clock |
| 13:41.03 | apt | ACTION takes peterS' clock to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 13:41.47 | llama32 | peterS: im in australia, but my computer says its 1:41 and the other clock says 11:41-ish |
| 13:41.49 | peterS | ircdevil: a really useful skill |
| 13:42.08 | ircdevil | peterS: the center at all parties |
| 13:42.09 | yxa | peterS hmm maybe that's why |
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| 13:42.30 | peterS | llama32: well, I don't know timezones but 11:41 seems the more plausible, doesn't it? |
| 13:42.47 | tralala | you cannot imagine how many times I needed the last 10000 digits of pi while there was not computer around! |
| 13:42.54 | tralala | *no |
| 13:42.56 | greycat | tralala: ... zero? |
| 13:43.02 | ce | hiiiiiii? |
| 13:43.07 | peterS | llama32: install ntpdate and run 'ntpdate au.pool.ntp.org' as root |
| 13:43.10 | tralala | greycat: errr... a bit less I think |
| 13:43.18 | llama32 | maybe, but the computer is usually right (doesnt run out of batteries as much)... i think installing Stratagus said something about locale so it prolly fucked with it tho :) |
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| 13:43.51 | ce | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii? |
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| 13:44.10 | incorrect | has anyone got the dell power edge server modules working with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 13:44.28 | manuel_ | hi |
| 13:44.32 | tralala | hi, ce |
| 13:44.40 | tralala | could you calm donw? |
| 13:44.44 | tralala | down |
| 13:44.49 | directhex|work | which dell poweredge server modules? |
| 13:45.01 | incorrect | directhex|work, to do the hardware monitoring |
| 13:45.02 | buht-work | grub question: I've just recompiled a kernel and have placed the new system.map and the new kernel image in /boot however there are two other filed put there by the intial install (config-2.4-x and initrd.img-2.4.x) : how do i make those two files for the new kernel |
| 13:45.02 | llama32 | thanks peterS :) |
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| 13:45.25 | manuel_ | ich i have an arcive with tar.gz archives how do i thex extract? |
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| 13:45.52 | FieldySnuts | man tar |
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| 13:46.23 | pureone | !tgz |
| 13:46.24 | dpkg | to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ... |
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| 13:47.24 | manuel_ | yes but i have more then one archive and it looks like that tar doesnt know * wildcard |
| 13:47.33 | ndee | hi there, isn't "dig" the tool for making DNS lookups? |
| 13:47.40 | pureone | use a for loop |
| 13:47.42 | greycat | manuel_: put quotes around it. |
| 13:47.48 | pureone | ndee use nslookup |
| 13:47.49 | greycat | ndee: one of them. |
| 13:47.52 | ndee | k |
| 13:47.54 | greycat | pureone: no, nslookup is deprecated |
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| 13:47.58 | directhex|work | buht-work, don't just play with bzimage files willy nilly. use make-kpkg. |
| 13:48.16 | ndee | that's what I thought, ah, it was "host" |
| 13:48.22 | j_k | manuel_: only your shell knows about *. |
| 13:48.28 | greycat | j_k: untrue. |
| 13:48.40 | manuel_ | waht |
| 13:48.41 | j_k | greycat: I mean, in this context. |
| 13:48.47 | j_k | greycat: no? |
| 13:48.49 | co | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii...............? |
| 13:48.49 | tralala | j_k: at least grep does as well |
| 13:48.50 | buht-work | directhex|work: can i use the bzImage that ive compiled for now somehow? and in the future ill use make-kpkg ? |
| 13:49.00 | greycat | I'm pretty sure tar knows wildcards to that extent |
| 13:49.05 | buht-work | directhex|work: im only missing a config and initrc.img file... |
| 13:49.06 | defcon8 | ok can someone give me a quick bash script that will decode mp3's to pcm and name them respectively? |
| 13:49.14 | tralala | greycat: yes, it does |
| 13:49.43 | tralala | defcon8: probably not at #debian |
| 13:49.49 | greycat | defcon8: i=1; for f in *.mp3; do mpg321 --whatever -o $(printf %02d.pcm $i) "$f"; let i++; done |
| 13:49.50 | directhex|work | buht-work, you tell me. i use debian methods. moving bzimage about by hand is 1993-style system management |
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| 13:50.14 | nevyn | greycat: whay I? |
| 13:50.15 | buht-work | directhex|work: ok ill recompile then, was wondering how to finish this off for now, but another 20 minutes is fine. |
| 13:50.17 | defcon8 | greycat, i want their names to be the mp3 names. but thyanks |
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| 13:50.37 | buht-work | directhex|work: do i need to make modules and make modules_install using the kpkg method? and still update grub? |
| 13:50.44 | greycat | defcon8: -o "${f%mp3}pcm" |
| 13:50.49 | j_k | manuel_: in any case, you can extract only one archive per tar command, the remaining files on the command line will be searched for in the archive. |
| 13:50.50 | directhex|work | !kp-mantra |
| 13:50.54 | directhex|work | !kp mantra |
| 13:50.54 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 13:51.03 | j_k | oh, he left. |
| 13:51.05 | defcon8 | ok thanks greycat |
| 13:51.08 | nevyn | defcon8: it'd be easy with make but sh can do it. |
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| 13:51.26 | directhex|work | buht-work, add --initrd to the arguments to pass to make-kpkg, if you want to generate an initrd image. grub etc are handled by the .deb file that's created |
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| 13:51.39 | buht-work | ok |
| 13:51.41 | buht-work | thx. |
| 13:52.02 | buht-work | directhex|work: so a make-kpkg clean --initrd should be ok? |
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| 13:52.03 | defcon8 | greycat, can you give me a complete line please? i am confused |
| 13:52.03 | nevyn | greycat: what should they think? oh .. kernel package. |
| 13:52.15 | greycat | defcon8: #bash |
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| 13:52.32 | directhex|work | buht-work, fairly obviously, no. |
| 13:52.33 | Stevie[FP] | i see kp and think 'keep peeling' |
| 13:52.34 | defcon8 | ok thanks anyway greycat |
| 13:52.36 | InitMass | directhex|work, it's almost like one could thing that you are working in this channel |
| 13:52.44 | directhex|work | buht-work, you pass the --initrd to the actual compilation part |
| 13:52.53 | Stevie[FP] | either that or 'kobold pudding' |
| 13:52.54 | zimnyx | i'm running Sid. i have package libct1 which depends on odbcinst1, but this package doesn't exists. am i to wait ? (btw odbcinst1debian1 exists) |
| 13:53.13 | Stevie[FP] | er piercer |
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| 13:53.22 | ndee | I have exim4 installed but I don't have a /etc/exim4/exim4.conf file, is something wrong with my setup? |
| 13:53.30 | tralala | zimnyx: once again what does Sid stands for? |
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| 13:53.47 | Stevie[FP] | sid does not 'stand' for anything |
| 13:53.49 | Stevie[FP] | sid is a name |
| 13:53.52 | Eulex | !tell zimnyx about unstable |
| 13:53.54 | zimnyx | tralala: i asked if i am to wait. i have time. |
| 13:53.57 | incorrect | can you tell when a file was created with find? rather than when it was last access or modified? |
| 13:54.06 | xoz | ndee: check /etc/exim4/conf.d/ |
| 13:54.12 | greycat | incorrect: unix file systems DO NOT STORE file creation times. Ever. |
| 13:54.16 | ndee | xoz: ah, so the configs are in there? |
| 13:54.20 | Stevie[FP] | they don't? |
| 13:54.21 | tralala | zimnyx: the answer must be pretty obvious - wait |
| 13:54.21 | j_k | zimnyx: wait for the next libct1 I'd say |
| 13:54.27 | greycat | you have atime, mtime and ctime. that's all. |
| 13:54.31 | Stevie[FP] | what's ctime? |
| 13:54.39 | greycat | ctime is "inode (metadata) modification time" |
| 13:54.40 | buht-work | directhex|work: k thanks ill get used to this new metho |
| 13:54.42 | buht-work | method. |
| 13:54.45 | zimnyx | tralala, j_k: thank you. |
| 13:54.48 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 13:54.49 | xoz | ndee: you have an option whether to use monolitic or distributed... i think you have chosen the latter option |
| 13:54.54 | greycat | ctime is updated whenever you chown, chmod, etc. |
| 13:54.59 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 13:55.03 | SpamHog | tralala: "Sid" is the bad kid who braks toys in "Toy Story" - hence sid is the permanent name foe the unstable branch of Debian. |
| 13:55.21 | SpamHog | gosh, my speling is turribble |
| 13:55.24 | ndee | xoz: with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, I've chosen just one big config file actually. |
| 13:55.45 | mib | I have a question regarding my linux computers behind a windows 2000 NAT, I'm hvaing some really odd problems, anybody got a few minutes? |
| 13:56.10 | xoz | ndee: hmm, maybe dpkg didn't listen to you :) |
| 13:56.21 | ndee | xoz: ok, I have both ;) I also have the .template file :) |
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| 13:56.34 | ndee | my bad :D |
| 13:56.42 | tralala | SpamHog: this type of questions are called rhetorical |
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| 13:57.00 | sts | how can i change the depentencies for exim? is there a way to change it to postfix, since i wanna use postfix as default mta. |
| 13:57.15 | caphuso | sts: just install postfix |
| 13:57.51 | greycat | mib: put the linux computers behind a linux or BSD nat. |
| 13:58.04 | sts | caphuso: when i try to remove exim-daemon-light it'd actually remove: at exim4-daemon-light mailx mutt mysql-server request-tracker3.4 rt3.4-clients. |
| 13:58.06 | incorrect | can i ls a directory that were accessed over x days ago? |
| 13:58.17 | caphuso | sts: don't remove exim. install postfix |
| 13:58.31 | xoz | sts: install postfix so that it will not remove the other deps |
| 13:58.35 | mib | greycat, if only I could, living wiht the inlaws for 3 months, and their system has a win2000 nat box, and they know nothing about linux |
| 13:58.35 | greycat | incorrect: I'm not sure what events update the atime on a directory. you might have to test. |
| 13:58.41 | jharrisonwk | greycat: and touch |
| 13:58.51 | sts | ah! |
| 13:58.57 | jharrisonwk | or maybe that atime |
| 13:59.02 | jharrisonwk | or both |
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| 13:59.47 | xoz | greycat: isn't it that noatime option is in fstab to avoid disk access if the hd is using noflushd or sleeping to conserve power in laptops |
| 13:59.54 | mib | The wierd problem I've got is that with a Win2000 NAT, my laptop and desktop pcs can access the internet fine when in windows, moving over to linux (one debian server, one ubuntu laptop, one fedora desktop) all exhibit similar problems, they reguarly timeout when making connections. |
| 14:00.12 | SpamHog | mib: what problem with Win2K NAT? |
| 14:00.20 | greycat | xoz: that would indeed complicate his life if he's using noatime and then attempting to use atime.... |
| 14:00.40 | mib | ping www.yahoo.com works from linux on all systems, and on my debian server, apt-get works approximately 1/2 time, but any kind of http access seems to fail to work |
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| 14:01.48 | mib | I ran ethereal to see if the tcp packets were doing anything wierd, but from what I can see only differance in the packets is that the linux boxes all have a source port in 327xx range, where as in windows source port is 1024+, which shouldn't make a differeance if I undrstand correctly |
| 14:01.59 | Morti | How would I use sed to split up an IP address so I can get the last number separate from the rest? |
| 14:02.15 | incorrect | oh -Xtime doesn't do and over x*24 |
| 14:02.18 | incorrect | sigh |
| 14:02.38 | xoz | Morti: man cut |
| 14:02.40 | mib | morti, sed in particular? |
| 14:02.43 | greycat | Morti: WHY would you use sed for that? |
| 14:02.55 | Morti | Ah, fair point. |
| 14:02.58 | xoz | Morti: or awk |
| 14:03.03 | greycat | "How can I use a spoon and a screwdriver to chop an onion?" |
| 14:03.07 | xoz | Morti: for field extraction |
| 14:03.13 | Morti | Heh, point taken. |
| 14:03.14 | Morti | Thanks. |
| 14:03.20 | greycat | xoz: or read. |
| 14:03.22 | abrotman | greycat: like you've never done it! |
| 14:03.40 | xoz | greycat: heh |
| 14:03.41 | abrotman | Morti: use awk .. change the separator |
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| 14:04.04 | SpamHog | mib: not an expert, but discriminating by port of origin is what a FW may be tasked to do... If I were you I'd start by looking at the FW itself & read the rules. |
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| 14:04.20 | xoz | cut -d: |
| 14:04.35 | tralala | abrotman: cut is *way* easier in that case |
| 14:04.44 | abrotman | tralala: perhaps |
| 14:04.45 | greycat | imadev:~$ MYIP=155.10.2.34; IFS=. read first second third fourth <<< "$MYIP"; echo $fourth |
| 14:04.48 | greycat | 34 |
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| 14:04.57 | incorrect | aha |
| 14:05.25 | tralala | echo $MYIP | cut -d. -f 4 |
| 14:05.27 | greycat | note that <<< will not work in bash less than 2.05b (e.g. woody's) |
| 14:05.27 | Morti | Well, cut could work but I don't know how many bytes occur before the bit I want or how many bytes long the bit I want is. |
| 14:05.33 | mib | spamhog, thats what I thought, but the win2k box is just setup to do standard NAT, shouldn't be doing anyhting funny with ports. I really don't udnerstand it, everything works under windows, it's unstable, but works, under linux nothing works, except on my debain server which part works, most of the time |
| 14:05.40 | greycat | Morti: don't count bytes! |
| 14:05.42 | greycat | Morti: count FIELDS! |
| 14:05.59 | Morti | Okay, think I get it. |
| 14:05.59 | greycat | an IPv4 address in "dotted quad" notation has four numeric fields separated by dots |
| 14:06.02 | asg | kim fields bytes? |
| 14:06.12 | xoz | Morti: field of dreams |
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| 14:06.41 | claudio_ | tralala: echo ${MYIP##*.} |
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| 14:07.01 | tralala | claudio_: heh, you've got me :) |
| 14:07.03 | SpamHog | mib: can't you get the linux box to use the same ports as Windows boxes? and, why do they get out that way? - i.e., are they trying to go through a proxy on a given door or what? |
| 14:07.04 | claudio_ | :) |
| 14:07.14 | philips | HOw do I diable the PC Speaker completely in Debian? |
| 14:07.21 | greycat | wire cutters |
| 14:07.25 | hondza | :) |
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| 14:07.29 | asg | ear muffs |
| 14:07.36 | caphuso | don't load the pcspkr module, if you're using a 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:07.40 | philips | gentoo never beeped :-P |
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| 14:07.49 | abrotman | gentoo sucks? |
| 14:07.58 | tralala | goats? |
| 14:08.05 | philips | caphuso: thanks :-) |
| 14:08.05 | asg | philips: then it's defective ; /msg dpkg beep |
| 14:08.06 | greycat | !bell |
| 14:08.06 | dpkg | methinks bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. |
| 14:08.09 | SpamHog | gentoo is strange |
| 14:08.14 | rpozo | is anyone here familiar with using views with bind 9? |
| 14:08.24 | greycat | rpozo: #dns might be |
| 14:08.35 | rpozo | greycat: thanks |
| 14:08.38 | mib | spamhog, sorry those aren't source ports from the NAT box, they're the source port on the linux machine itself, I was wondering if the source port was causing a problem, but might be a total red herring |
| 14:09.00 | tralala | bash in vi mode rocks |
| 14:09.23 | mib | bash has a vi mode? wow, idd I miss somehting there! must go man bash and see what the vi mdoe does |
| 14:09.38 | jethro | mib: set -o vi |
| 14:09.39 | greycat | same thing ksh's vi mode does. |
| 14:09.44 | greycat | geez, you people are silly. |
| 14:09.54 | SpamHog | mib: are you positive that the whole FW has those ports open? don't forget that NAT is only part of the FW function... there could be separate rules blocking ports |
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| 14:10.50 | mib | #greycat, thanks, of course if I new what ksh's vi mode was like that would be more helpful, (and don't say like bash's vi mode!) |
| 14:10.53 | tralala | greycat: we could have been sillier if we could but that's the best we are capable of |
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| 14:11.04 | tralala | s/could/would/ |
| 14:11.30 | greycat | mib: it's sort of like the POSIX shell's vi mode, of course. |
| 14:12.03 | mib | !sigh |
| 14:12.03 | dpkg | it has been said that sigh is we are living hard times pal |
| 14:12.05 | SpamHog | there is a kind of erectile dysfunction that is amenable to treatment by fiddling with the nitrogen oxides pathway, i.e. with vessel wall muscular tone problems - not all kinds are though |
| 14:12.20 | SpamHog | wrong window... |
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| 14:12.26 | abrotman | yu think ? |
| 14:12.28 | abrotman | you |
| 14:12.35 | abrotman | but glad to know ... |
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| 14:12.53 | mib | wow, erm, your never sure what to say when you ask about problems with your NAT and thats the resposne you get! :) |
| 14:13.14 | solars | does anyone know if/how it is possible to list all stored projects on a svn server? I forgot the repository path |
| 14:13.15 | greycat | you named yours "nat"? |
| 14:13.49 | mib | the thing I really don't understand is that making a connectiong with a HTTP server from windows works via the NAT without any problems, doing the exact same thing appears to just timeout, no SYN,ACK comes back from the SYN |
| 14:14.09 | greycat | mib: perhaps it's not really a NAT. |
| 14:14.11 | SpamHog | mib: can'l you just slip in Knoppix and reboot? It may stay on till you & wife move out.... |
| 14:14.22 | mib | greycat, I guess that makes me an ubergeek huh? "hey baby want to come and harden my firewall?" |
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| 14:15.06 | archpollux | hi |
| 14:15.17 | archpollux | is there a channel for x86_64? |
| 14:15.31 | grml | i installed debian the other day, and went to setup some rules for iptables. I went to restart iptables /etc/init.d/iptables restart and it said it wasn't running. doesn't iptables start and run by default? |
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| 14:15.47 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 14:15.47 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 14:16.02 | mib | grml, not if it's not symlinked in etiher /etc/rcS.d or rcX.d wherre X is your runlevel (2 by default) |
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| 14:16.14 | Lin | Hi all!! |
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| 14:16.33 | mib | grml, not sure about default, but don't think so |
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| 14:16.44 | archpollux | greycat: thanks a lot, man |
| 14:16.58 | Lin | some know what mean WA percentage in top command, in cpu line. Man page didn't help me. |
| 14:17.02 | fatbird | hi everybody |
| 14:17.21 | SpamHog | mib: I can't give you any better advice that trying to get to the bottom of ALL rules, in all relevant dimensions, such as 1) issue IP address, 2) ports, 3) protocols, 4) destination IP address {did I miss anything?} |
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| 14:17.42 | grml | mib: wow you have to symlink it after installing it? i thought it would automatically start |
| 14:17.45 | greycat | Lin: probably "time spent in WAit" |
| 14:17.52 | asg | Lin: io wait |
| 14:18.04 | Lin | greycat: hmm. My sistem is hunger in waitings.. 80 |
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| 14:18.10 | mib | spamhog, thats sounds about where I got too, was hoping there was a known issue with win2k NATs or something obvious I was missing |
| 14:18.35 | Lin | it didn't goes down.. after some time 2/3 hours my server hangs. Kernel is 2.6.12.1 |
| 14:18.55 | greycat | they're up to 12 now? |
| 14:19.00 | FieldySnuts | yep |
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| 14:19.28 | mib | spamhog, obviously not, theres a couple of rules int eh firewall to prevent access to port 139 and stuff, I guess I'll og and doulble check them all, it's so weird, and I can't find anything online referencing the same problem |
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| 14:19.47 | abrotman | greycat: 12.2 iirc |
| 14:20.00 | Lin | I have compiled PREEMP in my kernel. |
| 14:20.04 | SpamHog | mib: per se, never heard of it... more than a Win2K it could be an issue with the FW app(s) running atop the OS. Even in Linux you could have more that one implementation depending on kernel version (& various front ends too...) etc etc. |
| 14:20.13 | FieldySnuts | don't use PREEMPT on servers. or multi-cpu systems. |
| 14:20.15 | Lin | abrotman: there is 4 numbers in kernel version now. Why? ;-) |
| 14:20.25 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 14:20.25 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 14:20.34 | FieldySnuts | Lin: to irritate package management systems and admins |
| 14:20.49 | Lin | FieldySnuts: makes sense :-) |
| 14:20.55 | abrotman | lin: read kerneltrap or kerneltraffic |
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| 14:21.06 | SpamHog | Lin: numbering has changed! Last nr is the so called "sucker's branch". |
| 14:21.17 | SpamHog | It's afairly recent change. |
| 14:21.27 | Lin | abrotman: they are lists? or documentations? |
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| 14:21.37 | SpamHog | websites |
| 14:21.48 | Lin | SpamHog: hmm.. fine. |
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| 14:22.25 | greycat | Lin: read what dpkg just said. |
| 14:22.26 | greycat | SHEESH. |
| 14:22.32 | Lin | greycat: sadly :-( |
| 14:23.00 | Lin | greycat: what should I do. Apply debian patches? Wait for a debian release? or pray for the good'ol'times? |
| 14:23.05 | SpamHog | Lin: try this http://kerneltrap.org/node/4800 |
| 14:23.36 | buht-work | directhex|work: still here? just ran make-kpkg following the debian website FAQ, i cannot locate any kernel-image* on the system but it appears that the building of the package was successful with no errors |
| 14:23.55 | abrotman | lin: places to read |
| 14:23.58 | directhex|work | look in .. |
| 14:24.09 | FieldySnuts | HEH linus "In other words: there's almost zero glory, there are no interesting problems, and there will absolutely be people who claim that you're a dick-head and worse, probably on a weekly basis." |
| 14:24.31 | buht-work | directhex|work i did :) nothing but linux-2.4.31 |
| 14:24.47 | buht-work | directhex|work: did an updatedb and a find |
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| 14:25.12 | archpollux | so what happened to non-us? |
| 14:25.28 | SpamHog | they all got bombed |
| 14:25.47 | archpollux | by terrorists? |
| 14:25.51 | co | hiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 14:26.00 | Ronin | archpollux: yep, teh us bombed them |
| 14:26.15 | archpollux | bastards |
| 14:26.20 | eps | mmm, gnome going from 2.8 to 2.10 live! |
| 14:26.24 | egg | me? |
| 14:26.24 | co | ????????????????????? |
| 14:26.27 | eps | laggy and crashy! |
| 14:26.29 | co | k |
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| 14:26.40 | co | k |
| 14:26.45 | greycat | co: act like a civilized person or stay out |
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| 14:28.09 | SpamHog | archpollux: there have been lengthy discussions on where to put what, but i read more abt. non-free ... **** anyone has a pointer on non-us? |
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| 14:28.29 | tony400 | Does anyone know where I can find a list of debian package servers? |
| 14:28.44 | caphuso | tony400: run apt-setup |
| 14:29.03 | greycat | SpamHog: /topic |
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| 14:29.21 | tony400 | caphuso: Thanks |
| 14:29.26 | SpamHog | greycat: OK |
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| 14:29.50 | SpamHog | ooops |
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| 14:30.00 | SpamHog | there's so much I need to learn... |
| 14:30.28 | SpamHog | greycat: what do you mean? OT? or a command? |
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| 14:30.59 | mib | spamhog, maybe my father in law does need a linux box, the win2k box has no firewalls setup, and is acting as just NAT except packet filter built into windows is dropping inbound packets bound for internal address on port 23,25,80,137,139 and oddly 1024-1028. so it's a standard box, no firewall, no configuration and ho hope! |
| 14:31.02 | greycat | !topicsmite SpamHog |
| 14:31.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon SpamHog. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 14:33.01 | SpamHog | mib: I sort of understand 137-139 INCOMING... but outgoing.. ??? May I suggest you look for a ehm, Windows venue? My fav is http://www.windowsbbs.com/ - decent community there. |
| 14:33.26 | antgel | we have a server synced to pool.ntp.org. in /etc/ntp.conf should our lan workstations receive ntp data via broadcast, or should i set the server explicitly? |
| 14:33.39 | FieldySnuts | any responsible residental ISP blocks those coming out from customers, as it's often compromised systems doing that crap |
| 14:33.50 | Atula | Quick question: to insert text into a document I used: echo "text here" >> dochere |
| 14:33.55 | SpamHog | mib: I am known as Filippo there - notice the signature if you go there :) |
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| 14:34.11 | Atula | how do I take out text from a text file? |
| 14:34.14 | Atula | what's the command? |
| 14:34.19 | greycat | Atula: vi |
| 14:34.26 | greycat | (or nano, joe, jed, emacs, etc.) |
| 14:34.27 | mib | Atula, emacs |
| 14:34.30 | mib | :) |
| 14:34.35 | _cat | hi how to use CanoScan in debian sarge 3.1 ? |
| 14:34.35 | Atula | I know the text editor |
| 14:34.37 | petemc | grep -v |
| 14:34.49 | stew | sed -n |
| 14:34.59 | FieldySnuts | _cat: do we get to know what CanoScan is? |
| 14:35.14 | SpamHog | greycat: :-) |
| 14:35.21 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: scanner |
| 14:35.24 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, a generic brand name for some older canon scanners, i think |
| 14:35.24 | abrotman | usb usually |
| 14:35.36 | abrotman | not that old .. i think they still make canoscan |
| 14:35.36 | Atula | but is there to automate the deletion of text from a file, knowing exactly what it is |
| 14:35.38 | mib | spamhog, maybe a good idea, except that the windows boxes inside the network are all working fine, no problems (except crashing every few hours, blue screens, viruses, adware the normal stuff), it's only the linux boxes that wont connect, and only on real traffic, not on pings |
| 14:35.51 | directhex|work | i think lide is the current range, certainly of cheaper scanners |
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| 14:36.07 | _cat | FieldySnuts: do you now Canon Japan ? |
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| 14:36.10 | abrotman | directhex|work: http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=104 |
| 14:36.17 | Atula | the reason I ask is because I am writing a shell script to remove usernames from a user list |
| 14:36.19 | mib | atula, lookup awk or sed |
| 14:36.20 | abrotman | at least in .us |
| 14:36.21 | FieldySnuts | _cat: no, and i'm already tired of dragging it out of you |
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| 14:36.29 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate _cat |
| 14:36.29 | apt | _cat: hi every1 how does I run teh edonkey ????? |
| 14:36.29 | ChaosTeam | hi |
| 14:36.36 | greycat | j #tome |
| 14:36.42 | SpamHog | mib: either it's a PACKET GENERATION issue (Linux) or a PACKET FILTERING issue (Windows). I am afraid you won't find the answer here... :( |
| 14:36.44 | greycat | ah.... the forum had a bit of advice. |
| 14:36.47 | greycat | oops, ECHAN |
| 14:37.02 | ChaosTeam | i want to switch off apci with boot parametre |
| 14:37.11 | ChaosTeam | acpi |
| 14:37.14 | rezza | atula: cat oldfile | sed -e 's/word//g' > newfile |
| 14:37.14 | SpamHog | apci=off ? |
| 14:37.16 | Atula | mib, thanks |
| 14:37.19 | mib | spamhog, yeh I'll look at replacing the windows box with an ADSL router tomorrow when father in law is out of the house and see if it works any better |
| 14:37.21 | peterS | _cat: check the status of your device: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html |
| 14:37.25 | directhex|work | abrotman, okay, canoscan lide. i was half-right |
| 14:37.26 | ChaosTeam | ok i try it |
| 14:37.30 | ChaosTeam | bye |
| 14:37.38 | mib | apt, why did you address the hello and question at cat? |
| 14:37.39 | apt | Someone had to do it! |
| 14:37.44 | SpamHog | mib: ask the Windowers first! it needs not be unsolvable! |
| 14:37.45 | peterS | _cat: if it's supported, just install xscanimage and use it from the gimp import menu |
| 14:37.55 | mib | apt, and try installing amule for an edonkey / emule client |
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| 14:38.06 | peterS | apt, have a cookie |
| 14:38.06 | apt | Ta. *Munch* |
| 14:38.20 | _cat | FieldySnuts: i mean Canon scanner |
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| 14:38.36 | mib | spamhog, I jsut ahve this vision of turning up ina windows forum and getting as far as my linux desktop... before ebing told, it's a linux problem go away! |
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| 14:38.54 | david | hi - do anybody know if cowboy@debian.org still reads his mail? |
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| 14:39.19 | _cat | peterS: thanks for your help |
| 14:39.23 | mib | apt, I think theres a xmule as well, or xdonkey or something, I presonally use amule from unstable and works like a charm, when my network is working anyway |
| 14:39.23 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, mib |
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| 14:39.43 | SpamHog | mib: it happens all the time... frame it as if you were the victim of a Linux satanist/communist (i.e. pretend you're your own inlaw) and they'll love you. |
| 14:39.50 | mib | apt, right you want an edonkey client? are you using debain, or ubunut or what? |
| 14:39.51 | apt | mib: okay |
| 14:39.51 | peterS | _cat: oh yeah, the other thing: if it's USB-based, you may need to play with how usbfs is mounted and what permissions devices have, before you can run this as non-root |
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| 14:40.22 | Atula | A bit of a halt here: I am managing an ftp server with vsftpd. there's something call vsftpd.chroot_list. I add user to this list to lock the user to the home directory. Is this the right way? Or is there some other way that I totally missed. |
| 14:40.26 | _cat | peterS: YES it is usb-based |
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| 14:40.42 | greycat | Atula: sounds appropriate. |
| 14:40.42 | SpamHog | mib: jokes aside, windowsbbs is an OK crowd... be specific, they have competent members |
| 14:40.51 | mib | spamhog, what a good idea, my inlaw has this computer system, and "he says" it never fails, but it can't acess the interenet via my server, how can I best check my setup so as to fully blame him and his commie peace loving unbreakable system? |
| 14:40.53 | mib | :) |
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| 14:41.18 | mib | ah dear, I'm way to oversarcastic today, I need some tea I think |
| 14:41.19 | SpamHog | rotfl |
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| 14:41.50 | mib | apt, try doing apt-get install amule, if that doesn't work, try apt-get install xmule |
| 14:41.51 | rick50 | hi. I installed a new installation of sarge yesterday using the 2.6.8-386 precompiled kernel and I'm having trouble getting sound using kde |
| 14:42.16 | aedwards | 6c |
| 14:42.26 | SpamHog | what was the name of that Brazilian distro that looked EXACTLY like XP, incl. pirated artwork? |
| 14:42.37 | vladster | is there any possibility of getting anything with the 2.6.12 kernel |
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| 14:42.45 | greycat | vladster: /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:42.48 | petemc | SpamHog: you mean xpde? itsw not a distro |
| 14:42.55 | rick50 | my SB audigy is recognized in /proc/asound/cards - i set up sound in kde to alsa but no sound through xmms |
| 14:43.21 | omniscient | set xmms output plugin |
| 14:43.25 | rope | rick50: mixer levels? |
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| 14:43.59 | rick50 | rope: i set all mixer levels using alsamixergui to max and unmuted them |
| 14:44.09 | omniscient | set xmms output plugin |
| 14:44.10 | JoshH | did you run alsaconf? |
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| 14:44.40 | rick50 | everything is plugged in OK as sound works in windows |
| 14:44.44 | SpamHog | petemc: no, it was a minor educational distro, derived from Kurumin, not really special cept it was like an XP spoof |
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| 14:44.49 | JoshH | does xmms play it but have no sound, or does it pop up that gray error message that says it cant play? |
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| 14:45.16 | petemc | SpamHog: well, i hardly think it had the same internals as xp, so other than the window manager, what else is there? |
| 14:45.24 | omniscient | its always using some other thing by default |
| 14:45.27 | JoshH | rick50: also, sometimes the arts kde sound system fucks things up, and blocks your soundcard, try turning it off in the kde control panel. |
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| 14:45.45 | liquid_ | hey hello |
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| 14:45.52 | liquid_ | as far as I know there is a sarge 8mb iso |
| 14:45.54 | omniscient | oh well.. ignore me then.. |
| 14:45.59 | omniscient | :P |
| 14:46.00 | liquid_ | where can I download that? |
| 14:46.14 | Spec | Heya; does anyone happen to know what linux distro VMWare's ESX server is based on? |
| 14:46.16 | greycat | you're telling us YOU know of something, and then you ask US where to get it? |
| 14:46.57 | Spec | greycat: there's a 453,753 megabyte installation disk for sarge -- where can I find that one? |
| 14:46.57 | stew | liquid_: there is a 40mb iso, debian.org click on getting debian |
| 14:47.11 | jtth | what is wrong with kde in unstable? |
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| 14:47.14 | SpamHog | petemc: found it! Famelix, from Faculdade Metropolitana de Guaramirim (FAMEG) |
| 14:47.17 | Spec | jtth: it's unstable |
| 14:47.20 | stew | jtth: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:47.28 | jtth | not usually :P |
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| 14:47.36 | Spec | it needs to be :p |
| 14:47.56 | greycat | Spec: that's a huge fucking image! |
| 14:47.58 | rick50 | joshH: you mean control center, sound system. enable sound system? |
| 14:48.03 | SpamHog | mib: if push comes to shove, install Famelix on your inlaw's box --- it could fool anybody! |
| 14:48.05 | JoshH | yes, disable that |
| 14:48.10 | Spec | greycat: bah, only a few gigs |
| 14:48.13 | JoshH | ime the kde sound system causes nothing but trouble |
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| 14:48.21 | greycat | Spec: what media do you burn it onto? |
| 14:48.26 | Spec | greycat: i'm trying to install from tape... :p |
| 14:48.26 | rick50 | ok, i'll give it a go |
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| 14:48.32 | Spec | or a san |
| 14:48.37 | Spec | i think that's all you could use |
| 14:48.51 | Spec | err, wait, i meant to say, "You mean it can't fit on my USB mem stick?!" |
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| 14:49.18 | jtth | well, the reason i ask is because it's been broken for about 5 days now |
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| 14:50.04 | rick50 | JoshH: still no sound |
| 14:50.06 | stew | jtth: hvae you checked the bts? |
| 14:50.14 | abrotman | jtth: #debian-kde |
| 14:50.30 | JoshH | rick50: did you run alsaconf and set the xmms output plugin to alsa? |
| 14:50.50 | jtth | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:50.52 | mib | spamhog, thanks, I think my first step is to temparerily repalce the box with my old ADSL router, if that works (as I'm sure it will) I'll know its hte win2k box, and can start searching on that. I know they ahve an old system here somehwere to I mgiht convince them to put debian or one of the nice firewall dists (astaros or smoohtwall or something) and use that as a router instead of their server |
| 14:51.10 | rick50 | joshH: run alsaconf as root? |
| 14:51.14 | JoshH | yes |
| 14:51.29 | JoshH | it detects your sound card then loads the right modules for it, then run alsactl store. |
| 14:51.36 | JoshH | run alsactl store after you adjust the mixer |
| 14:51.47 | JoshH | then make sure the xmms output plugin is alsa |
| 14:51.49 | JoshH | then it should work |
| 14:52.00 | rick50 | joshH: no i didn't. will do so now. the plugin is set to alsa in xmms |
| 14:52.43 | david | exit |
| 14:52.47 | david | ups, :-( |
| 14:52.50 | david | cya |
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| 14:55.42 | [2HMC] | JoshH i have sound when in root session but not as user what do i change... |
| 14:55.47 | SpamHog | mib: just stick both RJ-45's into a double female and see what happens :P |
| 14:55.51 | sts | where do i get the stuff from /etc/mysql/ from, once deleted? |
| 14:55.54 | JoshH | [2HMC]: adduser youruser audio |
| 14:56.00 | JoshH | then logout and log back in |
| 14:56.00 | rick50 | joshH: i'm confused. do i need to run alsaconfig with a 2.6.8 kernel? |
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| 14:56.03 | [2HMC] | 10x |
| 14:56.12 | JoshH | rick50: yes, that kernel is the only one with the alsa modules |
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| 14:56.21 | rpozo | well it's been almost an hour and no one in dns has responded so I'm hoping someone can enlighten me in here |
| 14:56.32 | FieldySnuts | sts: backups, or reinstall |
| 14:56.34 | rick50 | joshH: what package is alsaconfig a part of? |
| 14:56.36 | FieldySnuts | (mysql) |
| 14:56.44 | JoshH | alsautils |
| 14:56.50 | mib | rpozo, was yours the question about views? |
| 14:56.53 | Laibsch | I try to enable libapache-mod-ssl via "apache-modconf apache enable mod_ssl" as suggested in /etc/apache/modules.conf but this module will not get enabled. It will also not become listed in said file. |
| 14:56.54 | liquid_ | stew I can't find the 8mb version |
| 14:56.59 | sts | FieldySnuts: mysql? mysql-server? mysql-common? which one? |
| 14:57.01 | liquid_ | only the 40 and 108mb version |
| 14:57.03 | stew | liquid_: i don't believe it exists |
| 14:57.05 | Laibsch | The procedure laid out in $doc-path/libapache-mod-ssl/README.Debian fails :-( |
| 14:57.06 | FieldySnuts | sts: yes |
| 14:57.06 | liquid_ | stew I must be blind |
| 14:57.11 | sts | FieldySnuts: both |
| 14:57.11 | JoshH | alsaconf will be in /usr/sbin/ if you have alsautils installed |
| 14:57.13 | abrotman | yeah it does |
| 14:57.13 | sts | ? |
| 14:57.14 | liquid_ | stew it does because I had it |
| 14:57.55 | rpozo | i've got a primary and a secondary dns server setup. both are running bind 9. both are working just fine, however there is one reverse lookup zone that is not transferring over to the slave server. that zone happens to be our external (public) ip address PTR list. We only have 5 public IP's so the the primary is caching most of the block and remaining authoratative for our 5. |
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| 14:58.16 | sts | FieldySnuts: mysql-common doesn't get me /etc/mysql/my.cf or /etc/mysql/debian-start ... |
| 14:58.16 | abrotman | check the error logs |
| 14:58.37 | rpozo | however, the zone won't transfer over because I'm getting a non-authoratative msg in the logs when reloading all the zones on the slave |
| 14:58.39 | sts | FieldySnuts: mysql-server neither.... apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server mysql-common |
| 14:58.56 | abrotman | liquid_: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 14:59.04 | mib | does anyone know if debian supports a Speedtouch 330 USB adsl modem? |
| 14:59.23 | rpozo | is it just a time thing? do i need to wait until enough time passes where it will transfer over? every other zone file transferred without issue. |
| 14:59.49 | liquid_ | abrotman I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:59.55 | Morti | Where does samba store its passwords? |
| 15:00.02 | rick50 | joshH: i have alsautils installed though i get a "file not found" when trying to execute alsaconfig |
| 15:00.09 | sts | Morti: depents on it's configuration |
| 15:00.15 | JoshH | rick50: /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 15:00.24 | Morti | Default config under Debian using encrypted passwords. |
| 15:00.31 | abrotman | liquid_: it wasn't hard .. you shouldn't be so lazy :) |
| 15:00.45 | sts | Morti: grep passdb /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 15:01.06 | xoz | Morti: /var/cache/samba/ ? |
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| 15:01.21 | liquid_ | abrotman I used the .nl one |
| 15:01.23 | liquid_ | it sucked |
| 15:01.28 | abrotman | ok |
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| 15:02.20 | Morti | passdb backend = tdbsam guest |
| 15:02.22 | shingouz | mib: i have heard some people have been able to get the usb adsl to work but in real life it is not simple. your best bet is to dump the usb thingie and get something that connects with ethernet |
| 15:03.22 | greycat | Morti: /var/lib/samba as it said when you installed samba |
| 15:03.27 | greycat | try reading it more slowly next time... |
| 15:03.48 | Morti | greycat: I installed samba a long time ago. |
| 15:03.49 | Morti | Thanks. |
| 15:03.54 | sts | Morti: then u're using tdbsam or guest users |
| 15:04.37 | sts | Morti: edit it with pdbedit |
| 15:04.45 | sts | Morti: ..man pdbedit |
| 15:05.23 | sts | Morti: but you can use others too (like smbpasswd,pam,..) read the samba docs. |
| 15:05.40 | rick50 | joshH: what an idiot... i was trying to execute alsaconfig instaed of alsaconf :) Anyhow, I ran alsaconf and tada! sound!!!! thanks :) |
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| 15:06.00 | sts | where do i get the stuff in /etc/mysql/ from, once deleted? |
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| 15:06.28 | daisuke_ | mib: it does support the 330 |
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| 15:06.28 | jim | sts: deleted? how? |
| 15:06.37 | sts | jim: rm :) |
| 15:06.42 | Spec | err |
| 15:06.44 | Spec | once deleted |
| 15:06.46 | Spec | = deleted |
| 15:06.53 | JoshH | rick50: glad to hear it. :) |
| 15:07.05 | abrotman | sts: oh .. that was a good idea |
| 15:07.06 | sts | jim: please don't ask why :) |
| 15:07.11 | jim | purge and reinstall the package. next time don't delete files that belong to packages |
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| 15:07.38 | sts | jim: what package - mysql-server, mysql-common don't bring me this files back |
| 15:07.39 | abrotman | or --force-missconf |
| 15:07.57 | jim | oh, ok, forgot about that |
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| 15:09.13 | jim | but if you --force-missconf, isn't that rape? |
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| 15:09.27 | zimnyx | how far is sarge for sid now? i've been always satisfied from sid's stability (i pin packages with grave bugs..). are packages from testing much more older then those in sid? |
| 15:09.27 | FieldySnuts | ~rape |
| 15:09.28 | apt | vt. 1. To screw someone or something, violently; in particular, to destroy a program or information irrecoverably. Often used in describing file-system damage. "So-and-so was running a program that did absolute disk I/O and ended up raping the master directory." 2. To strip a piece of hardware for parts. |
| 15:09.30 | m0th | hi all |
| 15:09.37 | FieldySnuts | ah. different than I remember, sorry for it being so long |
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| 15:10.11 | m0th | i do suffer from a nearly empty /usr/include - as i'd like to build a kernel i wonder which package populates /usr/inlcude with the needed includes to do so |
| 15:10.17 | sts | jim: --force-missconf? |
| 15:10.23 | mib | m0th, kernel-headers |
| 15:10.31 | jim | so by that definition he raped himself :) |
| 15:10.50 | jim | sts: man apt-get and see what it says about that |
| 15:10.51 | m0th | hm i tried installing kernel-headers-2.6-2 something, doesn't change a thing |
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| 15:11.27 | sts | "Pattern not found (press RETURN) :P |
| 15:11.28 | EdibleText | m0th, you need a kernel-source to build a kernel from |
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| 15:11.47 | mib | thanks all for hte info on usb 330 speedtouch, found a few things on it, adn at home I'd use a router instead of a modem, but wondering about making a replacement router for my father in law who already has a usb modem |
| 15:11.55 | m0th | EdibleText, i do know that ;) i'm just missing the includes |
| 15:11.57 | jim | m0th: how'd that happen? you just installed? or what? |
| 15:12.39 | m0th | jim, my new notebook. i do have another debian boxen running, apt-get install kernel-headers... works like a charm |
| 15:12.49 | m0th | both sarge |
| 15:13.08 | jim | sts: I dunno, purge em all then reinstall... note, if you have data, you better find where it is located and back it up first |
| 15:13.26 | m0th | packages get properly installed by apt-get and they get listed properly afterwards |
| 15:13.53 | jim | m0th: try installing build-essential |
| 15:14.03 | EdibleText | m0th, how are you building the kernel. What errors do you get? |
| 15:14.35 | Spec | m0th: did you apt-get the kernel source? |
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| 15:17.07 | Johnas_ | kinda new to debian and was wondering what someone would reccomend to use for bittorrent in debian? something non-Java |
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| 15:17.49 | m0th | i got the sources from ftp.kernel.org |
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| 15:18.14 | m0th | well, i'm building custom kernels for years, this step is clear |
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| 15:18.26 | m0th | EdibleText, starts with sys/types.h missing and stuff |
| 15:18.40 | lestest | hi there, what port I need to allow access on a dns server |
| 15:18.41 | lestest | ? |
| 15:19.12 | Johnas_ | kinda new to debian and was wondering what someone would reccomend to use for bittorrent in debian? something non-Java |
| 15:19.18 | jim | m0th: that will work... but also note that debian's kernel sources are patched and bugfixed |
| 15:19.30 | m0th | jim, installing build-essential... |
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| 15:19.54 | m0th | jim, i know, i do want vanilla kernels. heading for 2.6.13-rc1-mm1 |
| 15:19.58 | snail | Johnas_ qtorrent works, but i'm not a manic user |
| 15:20.07 | jim | m0th: ok, there's a coupla packages you need after that, for configuring and for packaging |
| 15:20.14 | jim | m0th: ok |
| 15:20.28 | m0th | success! |
| 15:20.29 | EdibleText | m0th, as jim suggests.. build-essenstial you may also install kernel-package as it will install or suggests other packages needed for successful compile |
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| 15:20.36 | m0th | guess it just was libc6-dev missing... |
| 15:20.41 | Johnas_ | snail ok thanks |
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| 15:21.11 | jim | m0th: that's true, you should look into kernel-package |
| 15:21.23 | m0th | EdibleText, i see, can i use apt-get to install dependencies of a package, while not the package itself in general? |
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| 15:22.38 | jim | m0th: you can install build dependencies |
| 15:22.39 | EdibleText | m0th, others may know. personally I have not needed to too that often enough to learn. |
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| 15:23.04 | EdibleText | /too that// |
| 15:23.12 | jim | but not regular dependencies as far as I know, other than finding the dependencies by hand and installing from what you found |
| 15:23.14 | m0th | thanks guys |
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| 15:23.30 | EdibleText | !comfort apt |
| 15:23.31 | dpkg | There, there, apt. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 15:23.42 | m0th | cool, make menuconfig appears :) |
| 15:23.48 | takisd | wheres the linuxrc init script in debian?? |
| 15:24.04 | jim | takisd: null |
| 15:24.09 | drac | takisd: what's that? |
| 15:24.13 | creative | Hi Guys, how to configure public key(rsa/dsa) |
| 15:24.19 | EdibleText | !tell m0th about kp |
| 15:24.21 | Atula | okay. I've been messing with sed. but apparently I don't think I get it. I want to take a word in a text file. How do I do it? |
| 15:24.32 | EdibleText | m0th, in case you didnt know ;) |
| 15:24.36 | takisd | trying to install suspend2 on a laptop need to add echo smething > /proc/something before fs mounts |
| 15:24.37 | antgel | we have a server synced to pool.ntp.org. in /etc/ntp.conf should our lan workstations receive ntp data via broadcast, or should i set the server explicitly? |
| 15:24.57 | m0th | now that it looks like i'll be able to compile my kernel - usually i do update-modules and update-grub after i copied my kernel and mapfile in place, am is missing something? |
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| 15:25.10 | m0th | works fine so far ;) |
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| 15:25.37 | m0th | EdibleText, thanks |
| 15:25.47 | jim | Atula: sed is "stream editor", meaning you feed it stuff through its standard input, and the edited stuff comes out the standard out |
| 15:26.31 | creative | How to configure public key (rsa/dsa) in the server |
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| 15:26.36 | Atula | jim, is there a way to take a word out of text file from command line... the same way we use: echo "text" >> file? |
| 15:26.47 | doolph | hey |
| 15:26.48 | m0th | damn, i guess i need a swap parition to use software resume? |
| 15:26.54 | doolph | what is the kernel of sarge? |
| 15:27.05 | m0th | 2.6.8 |
| 15:27.07 | jim | 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 15:27.08 | m0th | 2.4.27 afair |
| 15:27.13 | FieldySnuts | dunno. software suspend/resume is really unreliable at the moment, has been for a while |
| 15:27.42 | m0th | FieldySnuts, ok, going to avoid it. help sais so |
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| 15:28.06 | doolph | 2.68 |
| 15:28.08 | doolph | 2.6.8 |
| 15:28.10 | doolph | mmm |
| 15:28.12 | doolph | good |
| 15:28.25 | jim | that's what cambell soups are |
| 15:28.37 | doolph | there's anyone good with bandwidth limiting with kernel 2.6.8? without patching? |
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| 15:29.08 | jim | is anyone actually here? |
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| 15:29.17 | takisd | anyone know where i can add a command before the fs is mounted when the system boots |
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| 15:29.20 | EdibleText | whois anyone |
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| 15:29.40 | mib | back |
| 15:29.45 | jim | takisd: look in /etc/init.d |
| 15:29.45 | bobwJek | anyone have a creative way, or just a way, to get all 3 and 4 character words out of a text file filled with garbage, numbes, long words, etc... |
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| 15:30.01 | xai | How can I get cdrecord to burn an iso as a user? I get an assortment of errors depending on whether or not cdrecord and friends are suid.. |
| 15:30.06 | mib | atula, no |
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| 15:30.23 | takisd | jim: thanks, actually looked there, suspect thats where it is... just don't know which file |
| 15:30.36 | enkriptX | ........... |
| 15:30.56 | jim | takisd: you make your own, start by copying skeleton to it, and reading that |
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| 15:31.03 | enkriptX | ......... |
| 15:31.25 | takisd | jim: how do i know what order its executed - ie, before root partition is mounted |
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| 15:31.50 | jim | once the script does what you want, then man update-rc.d |
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| 15:32.02 | takisd | jim: thanks i'll try it. |
| 15:32.06 | cmatheson | hey, i'm using snmp to monitor my system, but some of the counters are filling up, how can i reset them? |
| 15:32.12 | jim | take a look, for example, at /etc/rc2.d |
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| 15:32.15 | m0th | btw, i installed xorg from ubuntu via apt-get on sarge, works fine |
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| 15:32.33 | jim | there you'll see files in order (well they're links) |
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| 15:34.15 | jim | are any of these based-on-debian dists actually contributing significantly back to debian? |
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| 15:35.03 | Spec | I'm guessing Ubuntu does? |
| 15:35.28 | tarzeau | jim: i do |
| 15:35.29 | stew | only becuase ubuntu employees tend to be DDs |
| 15:35.31 | Monsibram | i just plugged in a microphone, but it doesnt work, i cant hear nothing, any hints? |
| 15:35.34 | tarzeau | jim: livecd.gnustep.org |
| 15:35.47 | Spec | Monsibram: aumix or alsamixer, unmute the mic |
| 15:35.48 | jim | tarzeau: that's your dist? |
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| 15:35.52 | tarzeau | jim: yep |
| 15:35.57 | JoshH | most of them dont have much to contribute anyway |
| 15:36.00 | svref | I'm always adding/deleting users and adding/deleting new machines. Is there some NIS voodoo I can do just once per user on the server to give every user permissions to games, cdrom, floppy, & audio group permissions? |
| 15:36.04 | tarzeau | JoshH: i do |
| 15:36.05 | jim | aren't you also a dd? |
| 15:36.10 | tarzeau | jim: no |
| 15:36.14 | JoshH | but i do understand that anything cool ubuntu comes up with will get back to sid |
| 15:36.22 | bykte | sigh.. |
| 15:36.34 | Spec | tarzeau: your project is livecd.gnustep.org? |
| 15:36.41 | tarzeau | Spec: yes |
| 15:36.45 | Monsibram | Spec, its unmuted |
| 15:36.48 | Spec | cool |
| 15:36.52 | Spec | Monsibram: is the volume up? :p |
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| 15:37.47 | Monsibram | Spec, of course |
| 15:37.57 | svref | TESTING: IF YOU CAN SEE THIS PLEASE REPLY! |
| 15:38.01 | Spec | Monsibram: then i have no idea ^.^ |
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| 15:38.09 | Spec | svref: I don't see anything :-/ |
| 15:38.18 | svref | Spec: thx |
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| 15:40.59 | rickyx | hi guys , do any of you have this modem ? modem ADSL Amigo HMX - CA85UR - K8 (USB) ? |
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| 15:41.14 | rickyx | how can i make it works under debian ? |
| 15:41.15 | Spec | !anyone |
| 15:41.15 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 15:41.29 | FieldySnuts | rickyx: don't waste your time trying to use usb to a dsl modem. use the ethernet interface, or replace the modem. i've been through this, they almost always only work in windows. |
| 15:42.20 | rickyx | yes fieldysnuts , but it possible to make it works under linux |
| 15:42.30 | doolph | lol |
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| 15:43.13 | tarzeau | rickyx: forget it |
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| 15:43.49 | doolph | rickyx use a windows as gateway |
| 15:44.06 | doolph | then do a crossover cable |
| 15:44.10 | FieldySnuts | rickyx: possible but extremely unlikely |
| 15:44.16 | FieldySnuts | ~lart doolph for giving lame advice |
| 15:44.26 | doolph | heh |
| 15:44.42 | rickyx | ok guys |
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| 15:45.02 | rickyx | what I want is to run a debia server |
| 15:45.40 | rickyx | i have to change to a router.... |
| 15:46.01 | doolph | well you can do it if you have a NetCard |
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| 15:50.16 | xai | Anyone have luck with user cdrecord burning on sarge/kernel 2.6.11-11 ? |
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| 15:50.53 | jdthood | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4651585.stm ! |
| 15:51.02 | zOap | !debian-no |
| 15:51.02 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-no is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
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| 15:51.14 | m0th | well, after half an hour of make menuconfig it builds now. using gcc-4.0 to have more fun ;) |
| 15:52.23 | m0th | well i guess cifs is more advaned than smbfs? |
| 15:53.06 | Atula | is there a group that can help users on ftp server set up? |
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| 15:53.27 | Atula | I've been tackling vsftpd but I feel very uncertained |
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| 15:53.44 | greycat | Atula: what the hell do you need to know? "adduser, then use ftp(1)" |
| 15:54.09 | Atula | greycat, it's for a business... so I need to be a bit more secure |
| 15:54.17 | greycat | then don't use ftp. |
| 15:54.39 | Atula | thats the thing... they WANT ftp |
| 15:54.42 | Atula | sigh |
| 15:54.54 | Pryon | how about "adduser, then use sftp(1)" |
| 15:55.17 | Pryon | "waaaaaaah. We don't like using passwords." |
| 15:55.24 | Atula | the thing I'm working on is security... changing owner of the folder so that I have control over who gets to upload files and who dont |
| 15:55.49 | Atula | I got the users/password things down... |
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| 15:56.10 | Atula | I add usernames to vsftpd.chroot_list to lock user to home directory |
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| 15:56.32 | sege | how do I fix uw-imapd in sarge? i have logindisabled and I can't figure out how to fix it. |
| 15:56.41 | Atula | now I need to make it so that I can control permission |
| 15:56.56 | greycat | Atula: you're talking about whether the windows will have tinted glass or pictures of footballs on them when the door's not even latched. get your priorities straight. |
| 15:57.11 | Atula | in the middle of all this, I'm writing big ass shell script file to automate the adding/removing users to the ftp server |
| 15:57.21 | greycat | FTP == usernames and passwords sent IN THE CLEAR over the network. |
| 15:57.40 | greycat | why the fuck would you need a big ass shell script to add a user? |
| 15:58.05 | Atula | I'm working on the station machine that has the server |
| 15:58.44 | doolph | where can I get info about Qos/Bandwidth limiting with this new version of Debian? |
| 15:58.53 | Atula | to add user to the server (vsftpd) you have to use some shell commands (groupadd/useradd or somethign of that sort) and the people here dont' know linux. |
| 15:59.10 | Atula | just a lowly intern here... |
| 15:59.14 | Atula | *sigh. |
| 15:59.24 | FieldySnuts | let an actual admin do it, else good luck |
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| 15:59.47 | greycat | wait... they hired an *intern* who also doesn't know basic unix to set up their *security* for them? |
| 15:59.58 | empty | Atula, your ftp install on someones desktop will *never evar* be secure |
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| 16:00.43 | archpollux | hey, what's up with mysql 5? |
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| 16:00.51 | bifeo_work | hey guys. i was wondering what i could do to correct this error on this particular debian box as it's the only one in the department spitting out this message: wget: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0: cannot open shared object file <-- any idears? thanks! |
| 16:00.58 | archpollux | packages are having trouble? |
| 16:01.33 | Atula | greycat, they're not a big company |
| 16:01.54 | snail | bifeo_work: when does it emit the message? |
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| 16:02.05 | Atula | I am a bit of a novice to linux/unix. |
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| 16:02.21 | greycat | the blind leading the stupid |
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| 16:02.38 | Atula | ftp server on windows is much easier |
| 16:02.43 | snail | you could check what versoin of libssl you have and --reinstall it |
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| 16:02.59 | greycat | Atula: you problem is YOU THINK THAT YOU ADD USERS TO FTP! |
| 16:03.04 | Atula | greycat, how does that even help? |
| 16:03.07 | doolph | Atula all windows is much easier for dumbs |
| 16:03.11 | bifeo_work | snail: it spits it out when trying to install msttcorefonts and wget's |
| 16:03.20 | greycat | you don't add users to ftp. you add users to DEBIAN. then ftpd can use Debian's user database (/etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and so on) to authenticate. |
| 16:03.47 | Atula | This is what I think I'm doing: |
| 16:03.56 | greycat | 1) add a user. 2) that user can now login with ftp. |
| 16:03.56 | greycat | DONE! |
| 16:04.03 | greycat | why are you making it HARD? |
| 16:04.05 | Atula | I got that |
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| 16:04.09 | Atula | I got that |
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| 16:04.12 | doolph | LOL |
| 16:04.16 | Atula | jeez |
| 16:04.36 | doolph | that's the newbiest question that I have heard before |
| 16:04.38 | Atula | what I am stuck on is the permission for the files |
| 16:04.58 | sengir37 | Atula: Since usernames and passwords are sent in the clear, anyone who cares to sniff the network traffic can log onto the box with that user's account. So I don't see what the point of chroots and so on is. The door is already wide open. |
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| 16:05.24 | FieldySnuts | shrug. the best lessons are learned the hard way, have fun. if they want to hire an actual administrator, tell them to come find me |
| 16:05.30 | Atula | so what's the alternative, guys? |
| 16:05.40 | Pryon | sftp |
| 16:05.45 | sengir37 | Atula: Permissions should already be such that users can't screw with things outside their home directory. |
| 16:05.54 | sengir37 | Atula: sftp or something |
| 16:05.59 | greycat | sengir37: apparently they only care about the *illusion* of security. when they walk right in the front door as user X they want to *not* be able to modify user Y's files. Or something. they don't care that the back door is open and has a flashing neon sign over it. |
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| 16:06.03 | Atula | ownership of the folder? |
| 16:06.07 | snail | Atula: I go with scp or https |
| 16:06.25 | greycat | what do the users want to *do* with ftp? |
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| 16:06.44 | FieldySnuts | not bashing him here, but he doesn't even understand basic stuff like usernames and groups and permissions, not going to pick up sftp or https anytime soon |
| 16:06.48 | Fluten | while i was watching a movie in mplayer, using xvideo, the window suddenly turns all blue, and movies won't play anymore using xvideo |
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| 16:06.52 | ma3x | hello |
| 16:06.53 | Atula | they want to read files.... some of them want to write files. |
| 16:07.01 | FieldySnuts | seriously, you and whoever you work for is going ot be a LOT better off hiring an admin... else a lot of pain may ensue |
| 16:07.02 | Fluten | i then restart x, and it gives an error about initialising GLX |
| 16:07.03 | snail | greycat: a flashing red light with a fleshy woman holding the door open and inviting you in... |
| 16:07.05 | sengir37 | Atula: Any protocol that does encryption is going to be a big step up from ftp. (scp, sftp, https, whatever) |
| 16:07.07 | greycat | in their own home directories? |
| 16:07.13 | ma3x | the dhcp server (wifi) does not assign me an IP address |
| 16:07.13 | FieldySnuts | there's a reason we're called "professionals" |
| 16:07.14 | greycat | in a shared directory? |
| 16:07.14 | archpollux | Fluten: it's a problem with xv |
| 16:07.22 | ma3x | do you know where should i configure his ip address? |
| 16:07.27 | Atula | I'm learning as I go, there are things that I've done before... there are things that I haven't... just chill on the nut bashing |
| 16:07.54 | archpollux | ma3x: probably /etc/dhcpd.conf |
| 16:07.54 | SpamHog | let him live and learn! |
| 16:08.00 | greycat | why do they want to use ftp to write these files? |
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| 16:08.02 | snail | Atula: nut bashing is the price you pay here for user support... |
| 16:08.05 | FieldySnuts | Atula: actually people in your posistion often get a far rougher treatment, believe me this is nice heh. we're trying. |
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| 16:08.23 | barongas | Anyone know any good MUD clients for debian/kde preferrably with a gui? |
| 16:08.24 | SpamHog | Atula: :) right.... |
| 16:08.31 | SpamHog | be patient |
| 16:08.37 | Fluten | archpollux, when i disable glx in the x configuration, x will start, and xv is working again |
| 16:08.46 | archpollux | barongas: try apt-cache, sourceforge.net, freshmeat.net |
| 16:08.52 | FieldySnuts | okay so let's face it, he's stuck with ftp. just leave that alone, yes we all know why he shouldn't. just have him know he should find other methoods later. #vsftpd or something might be a good place to start? or find vsftpd's home page, and read their docs? |
| 16:08.53 | snail | barongas: tf is nice, very good for scripting, but no gui |
| 16:09.00 | sengir37 | Atula: Also, aside from any rudeness, there's a valid point here that if security is a legitimate concern, than you don't want to learn it as you go. How sensitive are these files? |
| 16:09.08 | archpollux | Fluten: what vcard do u have? |
| 16:09.11 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I'm not giving that one up yet. he may want a web server with webDAV as his final answer. |
| 16:09.13 | barongas | thanks |
| 16:09.21 | FieldySnuts | greycat: you can walk him through it for 9.3 days :) |
| 16:09.25 | FieldySnuts | greycat: but i see what you mean |
| 16:09.41 | archpollux | FieldySnuts: i'd go with proftpd |
| 16:09.46 | Fluten | archpollux, nvidia geforce4 MX 4000 pci |
| 16:09.51 | FieldySnuts | if you have to use ftp yes, that's what i use |
| 16:10.00 | FieldySnuts | but i'd explore other options first |
| 16:10.05 | Pryon | Atula: Any chance you could describe your problem in a bit of detail. What, precisely, are you trying to do? What do your users need to accomplish? |
| 16:10.11 | archpollux | Fluten: do you have the nvidia driver compiled an dinstalled and nvidia-glx installed? |
| 16:10.32 | mib | exit |
| 16:10.36 | mib | doh! |
| 16:10.42 | SpamHog | :) |
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| 16:10.53 | mib | jumping through windows closing them, and really not thinking |
| 16:10.55 | Fluten | arafat, installing nvidia-glx now, i'll see if it goes away |
| 16:11.02 | FieldySnuts | i'm messing with simple backup apps which are free and open source. need to be able to do full and incrimental backups, compression would be nice, but i find it makes restoring more annoying and slow. rdiff-backup seems quite nice so far, any other ideas? (not bacula please) |
| 16:11.04 | sengir37 | Atula: Make sure you have frequent backups of anything important that you can restore if someone decides it would be funny to annihilate your files. Also, don't put anything in anyone's home directory that you don't want the world to read. |
| 16:11.10 | archpollux | Fluten: nvidia-glx depends on the nvidia driver |
| 16:11.17 | rking | so, i see how people use pinning for stable/unstable, but i am making my own repository, and i don't know what kind of tag it will have, or how to give it one. i'd basically like to say: if there's a version in this repository, use it, no matter how much better the distro's version is |
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| 16:11.31 | SpamHog | FieldySnuts: Unison! |
| 16:11.32 | FieldySnuts | wait, why would the world be able to read it? |
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| 16:11.46 | FieldySnuts | SpamHog: thanks i'll look |
| 16:12.01 | sengir37 | FieldySnuts: Because the passwords are sent in the clear? |
| 16:12.03 | archpollux | rking: give a big preference to that tag |
| 16:12.06 | SpamHog | also, ?? kdiff? |
| 16:12.14 | FieldySnuts | needs to work on the console |
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| 16:12.17 | archpollux | rking: i mean priority |
| 16:12.18 | sengir37 | FieldySnuts: I'm just saying that if there isn't going to be any security, act like there isn't, yunno? |
| 16:12.21 | FieldySnuts | guessing kdiff is kde? |
| 16:12.28 | FieldySnuts | sengir37: yeah I guess that's one approach |
| 16:12.32 | FieldySnuts | very very bad one though |
| 16:12.38 | archpollux | kdiff3 |
| 16:12.41 | SpamHog | not sure... I guess |
| 16:12.46 | rking | arafat: but which tag? that's my question... i mean... all my sources.list line says is, "deb http://blahblah.com binary/" |
| 16:12.50 | SpamHog | ah! |
| 16:12.50 | sengir37 | FieldySnuts: Well, do you think anybody is going to walk this guy through making the system secure? |
| 16:12.53 | archpollux | FieldySnuts: kdiff3 is bad? |
| 16:12.58 | FieldySnuts | sengir37: not me. i do that for pay |
| 16:12.58 | rking | archpollux: dangit, that arafat comment was for you |
| 16:13.14 | FieldySnuts | kdiff* sounds like it is kde, i am talking console apps. sorry I should have said |
| 16:13.20 | archpollux | rking: i think u need a Release file, but i never done it for my repos |
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| 16:13.31 | rking | archpollux: aha.. ok, i'll look there |
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| 16:13.34 | archpollux | FieldySnuts: vimdiff |
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| 16:13.53 | SpamHog | Unison is CLI too |
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| 16:14.19 | m0th | does somebody know where is_broadcast_ether_addr gets included from? |
| 16:14.41 | m0th | getting implicit declaration of this symbol on building ipw2200 driver |
| 16:14.48 | FieldySnuts | yeah unison sounds sharp |
| 16:15.00 | FieldySnuts | rdiff-backup is growing on me, but hey if something is better |
| 16:15.20 | SpamHog | not yet popular, seems cool |
| 16:15.32 | FieldySnuts | sounds like overkill for my needs but i'll keep it in mind |
| 16:16.09 | FieldySnuts | all this time in my simple home/work needs i have been just using my own scripts to use rsync to make full backups multiple times. obviously a massive waste of space |
| 16:16.09 | rking | archpollux: oh, oops - that's completely my problem. Thanks! =) |
| 16:16.56 | Mash | where can i see in which cd image.... kde is |
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| 16:17.14 | Fluten | arafat, still gives the same error about unresolved symbols |
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| 16:18.12 | m0th | i do have kernel-headers-2.6.11 installed but building a 2.6.13 kernel. how do i get this done manually? |
| 16:18.17 | m0th | i mean, updating includes |
| 16:18.20 | xtream | someone knows where can i find some file/harddisk criptography documentation for debian? |
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| 16:18.51 | drac | m0th: You compile kernel with 'make-kpkg' and add options like 'kernel_headers' to it. |
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| 16:19.06 | Fluten | arafat, might my card be bad? because of the way it suddenly stopped working, and the problems before? |
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| 16:19.31 | drac | m0th: /msg dpkg kp, /msg dpkg kernel-package, /msg dpkg make-kpkg. apt-cache show kernel-package. man make-kpkg. |
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| 16:20.01 | rob_lt | xtream, do you want an encrypted filesystem? You might look at this howto (gentoo, but should work with debian) for some info: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=1250192 |
| 16:20.37 | xtream | rob_lt: thanks rob! |
| 16:21.09 | m0th | drac, thanks! |
| 16:21.40 | rob_lt | xtream, I don't know how useful that link will be, I just remembered reading it as I was lurking in the gentoo forums |
| 16:22.47 | cinix | xtream, dm_crypt is known to have some vulnerabilities, you might search for information on loop-aes also as an alternative |
| 16:22.52 | rob_lt | xtream, also, there seems to be alot of info if you just google for "linux encrypted filesystem" |
| 16:23.08 | Atula | everyone who nut bashed me before about ftp: you're right. I understand that. In fact I knew that for a while now. However, I'm dealing with people who don't know about computers... clients who are not so used to file transfer protocols. Now, with sftp, will it require the users to have a client other than a browser? |
| 16:23.47 | greycat | Atula: until you tell us what the users are trying to *do*, we can't tell you what the best solution is. |
| 16:23.55 | bobwJek | Atula,what are you trying to do? |
| 16:24.05 | Atula | okay, here's the senario: |
| 16:24.41 | Atula | WE have the files that we would like clients to download. In some cases, clients would also like to upload files to us. |
| 16:24.58 | Atula | that's about it. |
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| 16:25.03 | Atula | just file transfering. |
| 16:25.06 | bobwJek | Atula, ok...security is a requirement? |
| 16:25.10 | ana | hi |
| 16:25.17 | greycat | can they e-mail the files to you? |
| 16:25.25 | Atula | bobwJek, yes |
| 16:25.26 | archpollux | Atula: browsers SUCK for ftp |
| 16:25.34 | archpollux | usually.. |
| 16:25.34 | rob_lt | Atula, what about using an ssh server and something like putty for windows? |
| 16:25.47 | EdibleText | Atula, winscp has a gui that windows users can understand without much difficulty |
| 16:25.49 | greycat | rob_lt: he doesn't need them to get shells. |
| 16:25.52 | xtream | cinix: hmm, you are right, thanks |
| 16:25.54 | Atula | that's what's I'm trying to tell you guys. There CLIENTS ARE IDIOTS!!!! |
| 16:26.01 | Atula | they DO NOT know anything about freakin' computers |
| 16:26.05 | rob_lt | greycat, can you use scp without running an ssh server? |
| 16:26.06 | greycat | Atula: can they mail the files to you? |
| 16:26.10 | ana | anyone know if suse is good or not? |
| 16:26.14 | bobwJek | Atula, download and install a php file transfer application with https |
| 16:26.17 | greycat | ana: no, it's not. |
| 16:26.20 | Atula | if they're like you guys, I can host a god damn ssh and make you guys ssh in |
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| 16:26.27 | Atula | but I need an easy solution for them |
| 16:26.30 | ana | i got apt-get downpat |
| 16:26.30 | EdibleText | Atula, then your lucky.. no learned bad habits you can teach them about winscp |
| 16:26.55 | EdibleText | !winscp |
| 16:27.08 | greycat | Atula: set up a web server. put the "public files" there. have them either e-mail the upload files to you, or use a PHP or CGI "file uploader application" on the web server if e-mail is not a viable option. |
| 16:27.12 | ana | im just conserned about support for my ati 9800 pro and my nforce 2 chipset on my motherboard. i also have a wireless noname usb adaptor id like to see supported. |
| 16:27.33 | Atula | ... |
| 16:27.36 | Atula | hm... |
| 16:27.41 | cinix | xtream, of course it all depends on what threats you are trying to secure against. If you do decide to go with dmcrypt I found this site to be a good starting point: http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php |
| 16:27.50 | Atula | that sounds like the only easy solution for people |
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| 16:28.14 | cinix | and for loop-aes the README is the best place to start, really distro independent |
| 16:28.16 | greycat | Atula: or if you want to get fancy, they could use WebDAV to edit the files on the web server from within their browser. MSIE will call MS Word if they have both and they click on the right thing. |
| 16:28.16 | Atula | !winscp |
| 16:28.25 | m0th | drac, works fine, got my .debs :) |
| 16:28.35 | EdibleText | Atula, no factiod (yet) on that |
| 16:28.36 | man_in_shack | why does lib6-dev depend on linux-kernel-headers? |
| 16:28.52 | rob_lt | What's wrong with winscp? |
| 16:29.03 | xtream | cinix: yes, i will search for more information about loop aes |
| 16:29.07 | EdibleText | Atula, its a graphical scp.. drag n drule |
| 16:29.23 | Atula | um. we're an animation firm, so they're dealing with big files.... 10-50MB .... |
| 16:29.29 | Fluten | arafat, hmm, it's working again after i rebooted to knoppix to test glxgears, and then booted back to debian |
| 16:29.39 | archpollux | man_in_shack: prolly cuz there are headers like linux.h and stuff that come from the kernel |
| 16:29.45 | Atula | no emailing |
| 16:29.54 | lestest | is there any optio to denay the use of a dns server outside the domain? |
| 16:30.03 | FieldySnuts | bind? |
| 16:30.10 | archpollux | lestest: disable recursion |
| 16:30.13 | man_in_shack | archpollux, but linux-kernel-headers is still at 2.5.999test |
| 16:30.21 | rob_lt | EdibleText, I'm with you... ssh with winscp is a no brainer for encrypted file transfer. |
| 16:30.25 | archpollux | man_in_shack: it's all fine, don't worry about that |
| 16:31.01 | EdibleText | rob_lt, yeah and much better then ftp... you can actually manage files through it.. |
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| 16:31.21 | Spec | so ... now's a good time to buy stock in amd? :p |
| 16:31.42 | bykte | Anyone knows how does file resuming technology works? |
| 16:31.49 | man_in_shack | archpollux, but linux-kernel-headers is taking up 7MB or so and i have full kernel sources it could be using |
| 16:31.56 | lestest | archpollux: hence to disable it I need to write allow-recursion { 0/0; localhost; }; |
| 16:32.01 | lestest | right? |
| 16:32.26 | archpollux | well live with it |
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| 16:32.43 | lestest | archpollux: ? |
| 16:32.47 | archpollux | lestest: i have no clue about bind, i hate that piece of shit, i don't use it |
| 16:33.01 | lestest | archpollux: and what do you use? |
| 16:33.06 | archpollux | lestest: djbdns |
| 16:33.13 | petemc | archpollux: strong words , whats better, power? |
| 16:33.16 | lestest | is it better? |
| 16:33.21 | petemc | hah |
| 16:33.26 | archpollux | lestest: in my opinion, yeah |
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| 16:33.33 | lestest | why? |
| 16:33.46 | archpollux | lestest: fast, lightweight |
| 16:33.53 | archpollux | lestest: easy config format |
| 16:34.01 | lestest | archpollux: thankz |
| 16:34.05 | archpollux | lestest: np |
| 16:34.11 | Atula | to be sure of security in the file transfers, users MUST have a stand alone client, that's not a browser? |
| 16:34.34 | archpollux | lestest: if you want more info: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html |
| 16:34.51 | lestest | archpollux: do you think I can set up a secondary djbdns for my network to give it a try? |
| 16:34.56 | Fluten | is 290fps good for glxgears? |
| 16:35.01 | archpollux | lestest: why not? |
| 16:35.02 | rob_lt | Fluten, no |
| 16:35.13 | greycat | Fluten: mediocre at best |
| 16:35.26 | Fluten | i have a pci card, could that maybe be why? |
| 16:35.29 | rob_lt | Fluten, what does "glxinfo | grep direct" say? |
| 16:35.30 | lestest | archpollux: I just need to set it up as it where the only server right? |
| 16:35.31 | m0th | how do i install local .debs? |
| 16:35.39 | rob_lt | m0th, dpkg |
| 16:35.42 | archpollux | m0th: dpkg -i |
| 16:35.42 | rob_lt | m0th, dpkg -i |
| 16:35.49 | greycat | man dpkg |
| 16:35.52 | m0th | thanks all |
| 16:35.53 | archpollux | m0th: there are manpages, dude |
| 16:35.54 | Fluten | rob_lt, it says "direct rendering: Yes" |
| 16:36.06 | rob_lt | Fluten, then you must have a shitty card? |
| 16:36.17 | m0th | archpollux, yeah thanks its always good to read manpage if you know what you are looking for </sarcasm> |
| 16:36.20 | archpollux | Fluten: what does lspci | grep VGA say? |
| 16:36.41 | Fluten | VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x] |
| 16:36.46 | archpollux | ah |
| 16:36.47 | archpollux | ok |
| 16:36.59 | rob_lt | Fluten, did you install the nvidia drivers from nvidia? |
| 16:37.02 | archpollux | Fluten: again, do u have the nvidia kernel driver installed? |
| 16:37.12 | Pryon | Wow. I get 500 fps with a radeon 8500 and a PII 333 |
| 16:37.12 | Fluten | i have the nvidia kernel driver installed |
| 16:37.19 | Pryon | and that's with XFree86 drivers |
| 16:37.53 | archpollux | Fluten: is the xserver set to nvidia? |
| 16:37.59 | Fluten | yes |
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| 16:38.48 | archpollux | Fluten: are you loading the GLcore extension? |
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| 16:39.16 | Spec | so....debian installation docs fail to mention 'dpkg'? |
| 16:39.19 | rob_lt | Fluten, you dont' want the kernel driver, you want the actual driver from nvidia. |
| 16:39.24 | Spec | or do users fail to read debian installation docs? |
| 16:39.25 | archpollux | Spec: :) |
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| 16:39.36 | Fluten | rob_lt, i have the actual driver from nvidia |
| 16:39.59 | rob_lt | Fluten, does lsmod show the nvidia driver loaded? |
| 16:40.16 | Fluten | rob_lt, yes |
| 16:40.29 | rob_lt | Fluten, what is the module called? |
| 16:40.35 | Fluten | rob_lt, nvidia |
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| 16:40.45 | Fluten | archpollux, the GLcore extension isn't being loaded |
| 16:40.48 | rob_lt | Fluten, hrmmm.... very strange. |
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| 16:41.23 | LSorensen | Fluten: using download from nvidia.com or the much superiorly packaged deibn package nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 16:41.39 | Fluten | LSorensen, the download from nvidia.com |
| 16:41.40 | archpollux | well i'm not quite sure how good the MX 4000 is supposed to be... |
| 16:41.44 | LSorensen | Fluten: bad move. |
| 16:41.56 | archpollux | Fluten: yep, bad move |
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| 16:42.09 | Fluten | also, should i have GLcore loaded? |
| 16:42.11 | LSorensen | Fluten: the debian package installs properly, doesn't make a mess, is easy to upgrade and remove, and often works when the nvidia installer doesn't |
| 16:42.11 | archpollux | Fluten: the nvidia stuff overwrites files |
| 16:42.22 | archpollux | Fluten: no, GLcore is not supposed to be loaded |
| 16:42.31 | LSorensen | Fluten: and it knows how the debian file structure is, which nvidia does not. |
| 16:42.40 | Fluten | would using the debian package affect performance? |
| 16:42.52 | LSorensen | Fluten: Unless you want linux to be as unstable as windows, don't use 3rd party installers. |
| 16:42.54 | EdibleText | Fluten, yeah it will work |
| 16:43.13 | LSorensen | Fluten: it shouldn't, but it will make it install correctly and not overwrite files that shouldn't be touched |
| 16:43.25 | archpollux | Fluten: i'm using it, and i'm playing WoW with cedega |
| 16:43.33 | archpollux | Fluten: pretty good performance |
| 16:43.37 | smagy2 | hello folks, i have a ibm t42 thinkpad, and i am having trouble with the touchpad. it is configured with Driver "mouse" Device "/dev/input/mice" and protocol "ImPS/2" and it complains about cannout open device |
| 16:43.44 | LSorensen | Fluten: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/ has a howto on how to install it |
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| 16:43.57 | LSorensen | smagy2: psmouse driver loaded? |
| 16:43.58 | znx | smagy2: does the device exist? |
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| 16:44.11 | smagy2 | znx: yes the device exists |
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| 16:44.21 | smagy2 | LSorensen: hmmn i have will have to check |
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| 16:44.25 | Maliuta | j #linpeople |
| 16:44.32 | rob_lt | LSorensen, is there a debian package similar to that for ATI cards? |
| 16:44.43 | archpollux | Fluten: i have a script that makes debs out of nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:44.47 | FieldySnuts | ~abuse ATI |
| 16:44.47 | apt | ACTION smacks ATI across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 16:44.49 | archpollux | Fluten: i can give it to you |
| 16:44.49 | LSorensen | rob_lt: not an official one, but yes there is someone that made an unofficial one. |
| 16:45.05 | LSorensen | rob_lt: it doesn't of course make the crap ati software work any better than it already did |
| 16:45.25 | FieldySnuts | definately crap |
| 16:45.40 | rob_lt | I hate ATI linux support too, but my other laptop has an ati card that the ati drivers should support. I'm too lazy to go through all the steps to install it though, just looking for an easy fix. |
| 16:45.45 | SogniX | hello all, I want to install the latest debian and was wondering if I need to burn all those ISOs to CD? I have previous 'nix experience and have a Fedora box and an Ubuntu box I was messing around with. :p |
| 16:45.53 | LSorensen | rob_lt: ie: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 16:46.00 | Fluten | do i just do apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source after i get nvidia's installer removed? |
| 16:46.04 | rob_lt | !tell SogniX about netinstall |
| 16:46.08 | ottoaim | sognix: you may want to netinstall |
| 16:46.10 | archpollux | rob_lt: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 16:46.13 | archpollux | haha |
| 16:46.20 | LSorensen | rob_lt: a lot of mobile ati chips are not supported by the ati driver (or any other driver really for that matter) |
| 16:46.21 | FieldySnuts | nicew |
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| 16:46.26 | rob_lt | LSorensen, archpollux , thanks :) |
| 16:46.27 | Lee__ | don't try ATI drivers with a 2.6.12 kernel. They are broken. |
| 16:46.31 | joeytwiddle | My mouse isn't working in X anymore, although it works in my other X. Any way to refresh it? |
| 16:46.31 | smagy2 | LSorensen: lsmod | grep mouse shows nothing, so i guess i will try to load that module and see if it works |
| 16:46.48 | FieldySnuts | Lee__: isnt' that irritating how long it takes ati to play catch up, slackers |
| 16:46.50 | rob_lt | yeah, my mobility 7500 isn't supported, but the card in my other lappy should be. |
| 16:46.54 | LSorensen | smagy2: yeah add it to /etc/modules to load at boot. |
| 16:47.03 | LSorensen | rob_lt: what does your laptop have? |
| 16:47.06 | SogniX | thanks guys. I saw the netinstall one and was wondering what it was - thought it was that. Cool, so I can just install that and apt-get the rest? :) |
| 16:47.08 | Lee__ | yeah, they suck. It's worth the extra $$ to buy nVidia |
| 16:47.13 | LSorensen | rob_lt: my boss got a dell X610 and the ati in it sure doesn't work yet |
| 16:47.16 | FieldySnuts | Lee__: definately |
| 16:47.22 | LSorensen | lee: no kidding. :) |
| 16:47.43 | ottoaim | sognix: yeah it's fun like candy |
| 16:48.04 | cinix | !tell fluten about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:48.18 | Lee__ | also sucks compiling an entire kernel with make-kpkg only to find out later that the driver didn't update it's interface for the new kernel. |
| 16:48.21 | rob_lt | LSorensen, i don't have it here, but I think it was a mobility 9000 something or other. It's actually not my laptop, but I'm getting it setup for a friend, so I'm not 100% sure without sitting in front of it. I remember it being supported though. |
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| 16:49.08 | Fluten | hmm, i did ctr-alt-backspace on my main desktop, and somehow x2x carried it over to my laptop too |
| 16:49.18 | LSorensen | : oh joy |
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| 16:49.31 | Fluten | so i went to do a backspace to remove something, and it killed x |
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| 16:50.01 | smagy2 | LSorensen: using the default kernel from testing 2.4.27 and there seems to be only the following modules atixlmouse.o busmouse.o logibus* msbus* obmouse qpmouse mousedev usbmouse but no sign of psmouse |
| 16:50.36 | bizkit_ | hi, i have a backup of my old /etc, /home, /var and the dpkg-selections.txt of the old system. how can i recreate the old system on a fresh sarge base-system now? |
| 16:50.46 | cinix | Fluten, did you get the nvidia one-liner for using the deb nvidia packages? |
| 16:50.53 | LSorensen | smagy2: oh on 2.4 kernels /usr/input/mice does not do ps/2 mice. 2.6 kernels do all mice through there. You have to use /dev/psmouse on 2.4 kernels |
| 16:51.00 | Fluten | cinix, no |
| 16:51.03 | cinix | !tell fluten about nvidia one-liner |
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| 16:51.28 | clovis | hello, is there any tool which is able to create a new partition moving existing partitions to get enough contiguous free space? |
| 16:51.38 | clovis | or it has to be done manually? |
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| 16:51.51 | chugga | hello debian. im back |
| 16:51.54 | LSorensen | clovis: well partition magic does (but costs money). not sure gparted is that good/safe yet |
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| 16:52.31 | LSorensen | clovis: and it depends what filesystems of course |
| 16:52.44 | bizkit_ | very important for me is restoring the old user accounts and their homedirs, maildirs and so on will a overwrite of /etc/passwd and the shadow files and the home dirs be enough? |
| 16:52.45 | clovis | LSorensen, NTFS and FAT essentially |
| 16:53.03 | LSorensen | clovis: well parted might be able to. partition magic certainly can |
| 16:53.19 | LSorensen | clovis: both of course recomend a full backup first just in case. |
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| 16:53.34 | sbk | Is it possible/can you point me to documentation to/ installing debian (stable) with only a serial console? |
| 16:53.59 | Lee__ | clovis: back up your data and give it a shot. Knoppix has a GUI partition resizer. qtpartd or something like that. |
| 16:54.04 | clovis | LSorensen, parted ask me for start and end of my new partition... |
| 16:54.07 | LSorensen | sbk: on what type of machine? |
| 16:54.13 | smagy2 | LSorensen: interesting, find /dev | grep mouse gives /dev/input/mouse[0-3] and /dev/usb/mouse[0-15]. could you please point me to docs where i could read about it |
| 16:54.24 | LSorensen | clovis: well if you want a nice easy interface, buy partition magic |
| 16:54.25 | sbk | LSorensen: x86 -- regular peecee, just headless. |
| 16:54.28 | Lee__ | sbk: there's a pxeboot image in the mirrors. |
| 16:54.35 | LSorensen | smagy2: no /dev/psmouse? |
| 16:54.41 | Lee__ | I installed it on a Soekris 4801 |
| 16:54.49 | LSorensen | smagy2: oh, /dev/psaux :) |
| 16:54.54 | clovis | LSorensen, I dont want any interface, it has to be done in the command line.. called by a script |
| 16:54.56 | LSorensen | smagy2: I haven't used 2.4 kernels in so long... |
| 16:55.06 | LSorensen | clovis: oh that's just asking for trouble. |
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| 16:55.18 | Lee__ | clovis: then do the math and use fdisk. |
| 16:55.19 | LSorensen | clovis: scripted ntfs resize. Scary |
| 16:55.32 | clovis | LSorensen, really? |
| 16:55.34 | smagy2 | LSorensen: i did try psaux, but the touchpad behaves in a real painful manner and jumps all over the place. i guess i should just switch to 2.6 |
| 16:55.35 | sbk | Lee__: ah, hm. Interesting idea. So it's possible I presume, to give the debian installer/kernel enough hints to get it to start in serial console mode after pxebooting I guess |
| 16:55.37 | LSorensen | clovis: I think so. |
| 16:55.41 | xtream | i got the message: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" while booting, what can i do ? the localization in the grub is correct |
| 16:55.51 | LSorensen | smagy2: try turning off gpm or asking X to use /dev/gpmdata |
| 16:55.58 | defcon8 | xtream, id like to know aswell |
| 16:56.06 | LSorensen | smagy2: sometimes touchpads on thinkpads need the protocol fups2 (at least in gpm) |
| 16:56.09 | defcon8 | happens with my custom kernel |
| 16:56.10 | xtream | defcon8: lol |
| 16:56.22 | LSorensen | clovis: parted does have a -s 'scripted no prompts' option. |
| 16:56.25 | clovis | LSorensen, is parted able to move automatically partitions to get enough contiguous freespace to create the new one? |
| 16:56.27 | xtream | defcon8: yes, with my custom kernel too |
| 16:56.31 | Lee__ | sbk, yeah. the installer runs at 9600 baud. you just have to boot and everything is normal after that. You have to configure your bootloader and the gettys to the console. |
| 16:56.34 | smagy2 | LSorensen: interesting, thanks a bunch |
| 16:56.38 | xtream | defcon8: how did u compile it ? |
| 16:56.46 | clovis | LSorensen, I cannot find it in the doc |
| 16:56.56 | sbk | Lee__: great, many thanks. I'll try out that approach. |
| 16:56.57 | LSorensen | clovis: well parted -h seems to give a bunch |
| 16:57.09 | Lee__ | sbk: np |
| 16:57.10 | xtream | defcon8: are you running sarge ? did u done this kernel with make-kpkg ? |
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| 16:57.41 | clovis | LSorensen, it doesn't say that it will move existing partition automatically... |
| 16:57.49 | xtream | defcon8: s/done/compiled |
| 16:58.29 | clovis | LSorensen, it says "resize MINOR START END" |
| 16:58.37 | LSorensen | clovis: parted /dev/sda print - lists partitions in mb start and end, parted -s /dev/sda resize 1 (old start value from print) newendmblocation |
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| 16:59.14 | LSorensen | clovis: so minor is partition number, mb is how far in on the disk to start, matching the print of the partition table, and end is what mb to end on (so take old end, subtract amount to shrink by, and use that) |
| 16:59.21 | LSorensen | clovis: you can do math in a script |
| 16:59.46 | defcon8 | xTina, umm naah i just did traditional way |
| 16:59.50 | defcon8 | i mean xtream |
| 16:59.52 | Fluten | i did the one liner, after removing the nvidia provided drivers |
| 16:59.55 | clovis | LSorensen, so the script has to move the existing partitions.. |
| 17:00.03 | LSorensen | clovis: you tell it to resize an existing partition or move an existing partition |
| 17:00.14 | Fluten | also, should pci cards get around 300fps in glxgears? |
| 17:00.21 | clovis | LSorensen, actually to create a new one |
| 17:00.23 | LSorensen | clovis: and you can then tell it to make new partitions to. you would script exactly what to do yes |
| 17:00.35 | LSorensen | Fluten: depends entirely on the cpu and type of card and which driver |
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| 17:00.47 | dob1 | what can i use to read MS .lit ebooks files ? |
| 17:01.00 | brushhead | hello does anyone know anything about TV on linux? |
| 17:01.00 | LSorensen | clovis: well creating a new one is easy if there is unpartitioned space. otherwise you must resize another existing partition first to make room. |
| 17:01.07 | clovis | LSorensen, you don't know any existing script? |
| 17:01.19 | LSorensen | brushhead: mythtv is lovely, and haupage cards like PVR250 and 350 are excelent |
| 17:01.37 | brushhead | how do I get a hauppauge card going on a vanilla 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:01.42 | LSorensen | clovis: nope. how would an existing script know how large to make partitions on your system and even how many partitions you have? |
| 17:02.00 | LSorensen | clovis: perhaps qtparted would be easier to use |
| 17:02.12 | LSorensen | clovis: but if you want to script it, you have to do the work |
| 17:02.20 | LSorensen | brushhead: depends which model I am sure |
| 17:02.49 | clovis | LSorensen, if there is unpartitionned space but not in a contiguous way, how does parted manage it? |
| 17:02.54 | brushhead | well I have the Hauppauge WinTV MCE version, but I am happy to follow a recommendation |
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| 17:03.21 | clovis | LSorensen, does it move automatically partitions to get enough contiguous unpartitionned space? |
| 17:03.35 | clovis | LSorensen, or the script has to do that? |
| 17:04.05 | flip | hey guys -- i have a question.. does the XFree86 pkg come with the Intel i810 driver? |
| 17:04.24 | flip | i seem to be using the driver.. but cannot achieve a res higher then 1024. |
| 17:04.26 | clovis | flip, I think so |
| 17:04.31 | Maliuta | clovis: sounds like you need to investigate an LVM setup :) |
| 17:04.35 | LSorensen | brushhead: well I know the 250 and 350 work great. THey use the itvt driver |
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| 17:04.47 | LSorensen | clovis: no. you tell it explicitly each step to do |
| 17:05.01 | clovis | LSorensen, ok... boring |
| 17:05.17 | flip | maybe its the sync ranges. |
| 17:05.18 | flip | ill try that. |
| 17:05.29 | LSorensen | clovis: so you could tell it to resize partition 1 to end 10G earlier than before, then tell it partition 2 should start 10G earlier than before and end 20G earlier and then create a new 20G partition in the newly free space |
| 17:05.49 | clovis | LSorensen, ok |
| 17:06.28 | LSorensen | brushhead: er ivtv driver I mean. itvt.sourceforge.net |
| 17:06.45 | clovis | another question: does it exists a tool which give you the used space on a partition |
| 17:06.59 | LSorensen | clovis: mount it, and run dh |
| 17:07.04 | bizkit_ | when i try to untar (tar -vxf file.tar) a file tar exits without error without anything whats up? worked with all files but not with this one it is 5,2g big (the tarball) |
| 17:07.07 | LSorensen | clovis: er df |
| 17:07.17 | clovis | LSorensen, ok, it what I thought |
| 17:07.38 | LSorensen | bizkit_: are you on a largefile supported system? |
| 17:07.43 | LSorensen | bizkit_: which tar created the file? |
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| 17:08.28 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: the one currently in stable, kernel is 2.6 and fs is ext3 |
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| 17:08.48 | Petaris | Can anyone help me to get a style loaded in phpbb2? |
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| 17:09.41 | brushhead | LSoresensen: Do any TV cards work out of the box on a standard Debian 2.6 kernel? |
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| 17:11.16 | Schiz0 | Petaris- this ia debian chan, try #phpbb |
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| 17:12.09 | chugga | yo, where are the old heads? |
| 17:12.16 | Petaris | Schiz0: I already did, but I wan't to know if something was changed in the debian package of it that would make the documented way to do this not work |
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| 17:12.37 | Schiz0 | You used a deb package to install phpbb? |
| 17:12.55 | Petaris | Schiz0: yeah |
| 17:13.31 | Schiz0 | Why? Isn't it a bunch of php scripts you put on a webserver? |
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| 17:14.16 | Petaris | Schiz0: if you use the package it sets up the mysql database entries its self |
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| 17:14.31 | Petaris | Schiz0: and I am not sql savy |
| 17:14.34 | Schiz0 | Ah |
| 17:14.36 | Schiz0 | that works |
| 17:14.42 | jvw | Petaris: this should be documented in /usr/share/doc/phpbb2 |
| 17:14.50 | Schiz0 | I tried using it once, but mysql was a bit messed up. |
| 17:15.02 | jvw | basicly, put the files of the theme in /etc, and use the admin UI on the web to enable it |
| 17:15.04 | Petaris | jvw: thanks, I'll look there |
| 17:15.21 | Petaris | jvw: in /etc? |
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| 17:15.30 | jvw | if documentation is inadequate, file a bug on the package documenting what's wrong |
| 17:15.37 | Petaris | jvw: not in /usr/share/phpbb2/templates? |
| 17:15.39 | jvw | Petaris: I mean, somewhere in /etc |
| 17:15.45 | jvw | indeed, /usr is for packages to use |
| 17:15.56 | jvw | not for users to install extra stuff in |
| 17:16.20 | Petaris | hrm, then that differs from the official phpbb2 way of doing it |
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| 17:16.36 | jvw | Petaris: that's correct |
| 17:16.44 | jvw | Debian changes upstream stuff to actually work nice etc |
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| 17:16.55 | gogo3or | hello how to change only username of login and leave all chmod, chown and privileges |
| 17:16.56 | jvw | and some upstream shit has been removed etc |
| 17:17.08 | dondelelcaro | gogo3or: edit the password file. |
| 17:17.24 | jvw | (that is, /etc/passwd & /etc/shadow) |
| 17:17.33 | jvw | possibly /etc/groups too |
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| 17:17.49 | dondelelcaro | (or LDAP or NIS if you're insane... ;-)) |
| 17:17.55 | Petaris | jvw: that worked thatnks |
| 17:17.58 | Petaris | er Thanks |
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| 17:18.29 | jvw | dondelelcaro: MySQL as backend :) |
| 17:18.35 | jvw | just use SQL to update |
| 17:18.42 | gogo3or | dondelelcaro: change all e.g gogo to gogo2? |
| 17:18.46 | gogo3or | and this is all |
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| 17:20.22 | punkaa | hi there're 14 iso images for i386 binary, which ones should i download for installtion? |
| 17:20.40 | Schiz0 | punkaa- I would recommend the NetInst. |
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| 17:21.03 | punkaa | my internet connection is very slow :( |
| 17:21.45 | Schiz0 | Well I would still recommend it, so instead of downloading huge iso's with a bunch of stuff that you will probally never use, you just download what you need/is required when you install |
| 17:21.53 | wols- | where can I find what's on the official netinst and businesscard CDs? Cause I need PPPOE |
| 17:22.33 | gogo3or | Thx dondelelcaro jvw |
| 17:22.53 | punkaa | i heard the first 2 isos contain the most common stuff to get a workin system |
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| 17:23.36 | Schiz0 | So does the netinst. All the netinst gives you is a command line, there isn't much to download to get that, if you want kde, then apt-get install kde-base |
| 17:23.56 | punkaa | ok |
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| 17:32.10 | RichiH | does nano create any kind of temp file or some such? |
| 17:32.27 | RichiH | or pico |
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| 17:33.19 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: do you have any ideas? i need this file its a backup file |
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| 17:35.17 | greycat | RichiH: strace it |
| 17:35.22 | f0ssi | hi folks :) |
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| 17:35.34 | tarzeau | yay doko c++ update email |
| 17:35.37 | RichiH | greycat: doog idea |
| 17:35.39 | RichiH | erm |
| 17:35.40 | RichiH | good |
| 17:35.47 | f0ssi | i have a problem .. when i try to transfer files with more then 4 mb/s i get the following error: kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 17:35.54 | greycat | RichiH: on melborp |
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| 17:35.57 | barongas | I'm running unstable and need libxml2 2.6.17 which is not in the repository. Aliening the rpm might cause some dependency problems after what I've heard. Any suggestions? |
| 17:35.58 | bykte | sorry, what's the command to see disk space? df right?? |
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| 17:36.07 | greycat | bykte: man df |
| 17:36.14 | bykte | no such command |
| 17:36.17 | greycat | bykte: why did you even ask if you already knew? |
| 17:36.23 | bykte | oh yeah mistype ok |
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| 17:36.45 | RichiH | greycat: what's that? |
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| 17:38.31 | bykte | http://208.53.170.90/5.4-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso <-- anyone how fast? |
| 17:39.01 | valdyn | barongas: why is 2.6.16 not good enough? |
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| 17:40.38 | barongas | It's a mudclient called mudmagic that requires 17 to be installed. |
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| 17:40.47 | Isumi | bykte, it's slow... |
| 17:40.53 | bykte | Isumi how slow? |
| 17:41.15 | Isumi | 50 KB/s |
| 17:41.28 | valdyn | barongas: you could try grabbing the source to 2.6.16 and applying the .diff to the 2.6.17 source |
| 17:41.47 | valdyn | s/source to/debian source to/ |
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| 17:42.03 | lilliput | there is a lot of comment and articles saying around that debian is dead :( hope the situation will not continu like that for a long time :( |
| 17:42.17 | greycat | lilliput: no no, BSD is dead. |
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| 17:42.20 | barongas | valdyn: Good idea, I'll try that |
| 17:42.22 | Schiz0 | debian isn't dead. |
| 17:42.30 | wols- | barongas: I'd create my own libxml package from the debian sources and the 2.6.16 debian source package files |
| 17:42.37 | tarzeau | greycat: did you knew !fb ? |
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| 17:42.52 | greycat | !factinfo fb |
| 17:42.52 | dpkg | fb -- created by claviola <claviola@cable-m-rio-58.ajato.com.br> at Tue Apr 10 19:05:39 2001 (1546 days); last modified at Sun Apr 15 00:58:16 2001 by rahul!rjain@photino.sid.rice.edu; it has been requested 49 times, last by greycat, 9s ago. |
| 17:43.00 | LSorensen | bizkit_: does tar tvf file.tar work? |
| 17:43.08 | greycat | tarzeau: feel free to change it to frame buffer... |
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| 17:43.28 | tarzeau | greycat: nah, i found it funny :) i'll it it though |
| 17:43.46 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: no, same |
| 17:43.53 | tarzeau | dpkg fb is also framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text) |
| 17:43.53 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 17:44.00 | m0th | later |
| 17:44.10 | bonez39 | I recently installed gnucash and have it working now....I just ran 'aptitude install' and it told me it was planning to remove gnucash, along with otherpackages it deemed no longer needed......what the hell's up with THAT? |
| 17:44.17 | LSorensen | bizkit_: it lists nothing at all? |
| 17:44.29 | LSorensen | bizkit_: how about 'file file.tar' |
| 17:44.35 | valdyn | bonez39: you are using unstable? |
| 17:44.48 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: it says "data" |
| 17:44.56 | FieldySnuts | definately not a tar file then |
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| 17:45.24 | LSorensen | bizkit_: hmm, sounds like it either isn't a tar, or it is corrupted |
| 17:45.36 | LSorensen | bizkit_: it should say something like: POSIX tar archive |
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| 17:45.45 | LSorensen | bizkit_: sure it wasn't compressed? |
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| 17:46.16 | FieldySnuts | file would have said it was so unless it's some goofy format |
| 17:46.22 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: sure and tar didnt give any errors on create, this is one out of 5 tarballs all other work fine (but are smaller!) |
| 17:46.38 | LSorensen | bizkit_: well, did you create them on the same system? |
| 17:46.44 | bizkit_ | yes |
| 17:46.49 | LSorensen | bizkit_: and where have the files been in the mean time? |
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| 17:47.01 | bizkit_ | on the same filesystem |
| 17:47.09 | adaran | i think i have a problem with packet loss. i'm wondering where i can get detailed statistics about that, other then sending pings to my router. |
| 17:47.12 | pete | Who make good sata raid controllers. I want to do raid 5 but the 3ware are not cheap. what can I use software raid with that will give good performace |
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| 17:47.15 | LSorensen | bizkit_: never over http or ftp or to another machine |
| 17:47.32 | adaran | and maybe someone can tell me if "RX packets:7755 errors:1325 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0" is reason to worry =) at least it seems to to me =) |
| 17:47.38 | LSorensen | pete: raid5 software will take quite a bit of cpu. if the machine is just doing file serving that isn't a big deal, but if it has other work it could be |
| 17:47.41 | bonez39 | valdyn, perhaps.....have some sarge on this box....would having any unstable packages cause aptitude to remove some working and used packages? |
| 17:47.51 | bizkit_ | i created the tarballs directly piped over ssh since i had only readonly fs |
| 17:47.57 | LSorensen | pete: and no hardware raid5 card is ever cheap. 3ware's are actually rather cheap compared to most |
| 17:48.11 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: the other machine has largefile support, too, same fs |
| 17:48.15 | LSorensen | bizkit_: I wonder if you did something wrong in creating this one |
| 17:48.31 | LSorensen | bizkit_: the fact file says data indicates it isn't a valid tar file |
| 17:48.37 | pete | LSorensen: yeah, i know what you mean, i just need a budget option. If I start with software, is it easy to swtich to hardware later |
| 17:48.42 | LSorensen | pete: no |
| 17:48.44 | valdyn | bonez39: it isnt removing package "for fun" or b/c they are not needed but b/c what you are trying to install is causing a conflict. |
| 17:48.59 | LSorensen | pete: you would have to backup all the data, then create a new raid and restore all the data |
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| 17:49.25 | LSorensen | bizkit_: you could view it in a hex editor and see if it even looks like a tar at all |
| 17:49.42 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: sorry i'll be back in 1h but thanks this far! |
| 17:49.45 | LSorensen | bizkit_: do you know what your ssh command looked like exactly for making the tar? |
| 17:50.01 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: yes everything i'll tell you later |
| 17:50.02 | schrankwand | hi had xscreensaver to run everytime like a daemon? |
| 17:50.09 | LSorensen | bizkit_: I wonder if one of the tools you used had a bug with files over 2 or 4GB. Wouldn't be the first time that has happened |
| 17:51.10 | pete | LSorensen: yeah, i guessed as much. Hmm, is the only downside the cpu load? |
| 17:51.16 | bonez39 | valdyn, ah...ok....but when invoking 'aptitude install' it said nothing would be installed, asterisk would be held back and gnucash et al would be removed...12 packages to be removed...but NOTHING to install |
| 17:51.21 | LSorensen | pete: pretty much yes. |
| 17:51.37 | bonez39 | valdyn, therein lies my confusion I guess with how aptitude runs |
| 17:51.54 | pete | LSorensen: hm, hehe I will have to think about it. Hows software riad with LVM2 |
| 17:51.55 | LSorensen | pete: linux software raid is rather flexible. you can add disks later and all that just like a high end raid card. Of course you can't boot from a raid5 software raid, so you need a seperate disk for booting |
| 17:52.16 | cmatheson | hey, i'm trying to change my 'from:' address in muttrc, but it looks like mutt is ignoring this entry (i'm using the 'from' and 'envelope_from')variables. any ideas? |
| 17:52.24 | FieldySnuts | i just leave boot non-raid and keep them copied to each other, none of that mess |
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| 17:52.43 | LSorensen | pete: works fine with lvm. I run software raid1 on two sata drives (you can boot from software raid1) and have a / partition as one raid1, a boot as another and then an lvm PV as the last raid1, and mave lots of lv's inside (including one for swap) |
| 17:52.46 | pete | LSorensen: seperate disk, hmmm |
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| 17:53.00 | LSorensen | pete: it's simpler. |
| 17:53.09 | amaldo | Nahh... a small partition for /boot setup as RAID1 (mirror) does the trick. |
| 17:53.16 | LSorensen | pete: for raid1 it's no problem, grub supports that, but raid5 is much more complicated so it can't read that |
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| 17:54.06 | pete | LSorensen: yeah, i can imagine, i really like the idea of raid 5 thou. whats the cost for a hardware raid contorller? |
| 17:54.11 | LSorensen | pete: you could always create two partitions on each disk, one that is 200M or so, and setup raid1 on that between the first two drives, and then the rest as another partition, making the partition table the same on all drives and running raid5 on the second partition, but only using the first two drives's first partition with raid1 |
| 17:54.26 | LSorensen | pete: I think you can get 4 port sata raid5 cards for maybe $300 or so. |
| 17:55.14 | pete | LSorensen: yeah, hmm, not cheap heh |
| 17:55.26 | bykte | ./BitchX: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by ./BitchX) <-- the package i need to install is "libc6" right? |
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| 17:56.10 | LSorensen | pete: I am trying to remember the other company similar to 3ware that is a bit cheaper |
| 17:56.17 | pete | its annoying you cant boot raid5, i did nt reliase it |
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| 17:56.44 | pete | LSorensen: you know any oline store that sells 3ware in the US? |
| 17:57.36 | abrotman | newegg ? |
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| 17:58.01 | abrotman | did you check 3ware.com ? |
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| 17:58.31 | directhex | LSorensen, you could just loose 50mb from all the disks in the array, and stick a /boot on one of them |
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| 17:59.47 | toonX | hey guys , what's a stack overflow? sometimes i get this error when trying to install some games with cedega .. but like i said , happend only for some games not all .. |
| 18:00.06 | toonX | and i must abord setup because of this error |
| 18:00.13 | abrotman | toonX: ask them .. |
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| 18:00.38 | LSorensen | pete: http://www.areca.com.tw is the one. I have heard good things about them so far. |
| 18:00.41 | toonX | abrotman: ask who? |
| 18:00.46 | LSorensen | pete: hmm, no idea. I am not in the US. |
| 18:00.55 | pete | LSorensen: oh thanks |
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| 18:01.01 | LSorensen | directhex: yeah 50 or 200 or whatever. |
| 18:01.13 | LSorensen | directhex: but might as well make that raid1 across 2 disks at least |
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| 18:01.18 | pete | LSorensen: yeah i am not, but the £ is really good against the $ |
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| 18:01.28 | LSorensen | pete: usually has been |
| 18:01.33 | abrotman | toonX: cedega |
| 18:01.46 | toonX | abrotman: i am not asking for a solution for cedega problems on #debian , just asking if there any any stack overflow problems with 2.6.8-2-k7 , that's all, and above all what's a stack overflow |
| 18:01.56 | abrotman | !stack overflow |
| 18:02.02 | abrotman | toonX: in general .. shoddy code |
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| 18:02.14 | jla | How do I limit the dynamic port range of portmapper? I've searched but my keywords may be off because I only find unanswered questions. The previous portmap I was using seemed to only use ports above 32700 |
| 18:02.22 | toonX | abrotman: oh, so nothing about the kernel then , it's the game |
| 18:02.24 | directhex | a stack is a pile of memory. a stack overflow is... um... an overflowed stack |
| 18:02.25 | toonX | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:02.38 | abrotman | toonX: do you understand stacks ? |
| 18:02.44 | toonX | abrotman: yes |
| 18:02.52 | toonX | abrotman: like , the term i mean |
| 18:02.55 | Blue9 | I'd had a look, but I can't seem to find the answer to why Alsa has stopped working since I upgraded Sarge to the 2.6 kernel. |
| 18:02.55 | abrotman | then how is a stack overflow confusing ? |
| 18:03.05 | toonX | directhex: thanks about that |
| 18:03.13 | directhex | yay |
| 18:03.24 | LSorensen | pete: how many drives do you want support for? |
| 18:03.46 | pete | LSorensen: 4 will be ok, as its cheaper |
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| 18:03.59 | abrotman | yeah .. why plan ahead |
| 18:04.09 | toonX | but why it happends than? |
| 18:04.16 | abrotman | shoddy code |
| 18:04.25 | toonX | and why just for some people , this game works fine for others, |
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| 18:04.41 | abrotman | let me put it another way .. crappy code ? |
| 18:04.48 | Lee__ | toonX: cause programming is hard. |
| 18:04.57 | toonX | Lee__: no shit! |
| 18:05.05 | stew | !be programmer barbie |
| 18:05.09 | EdibleText | !be programming barbie |
| 18:05.29 | Blue9 | Hmm.. another problem, anyone have any clue why I can't get my resolution above 1024x768 even though I've specified to go higher in my XF86 Config? |
| 18:05.33 | FieldySnuts | ~be a programming barbie |
| 18:05.34 | apt | awwww, programming is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 18:05.42 | Lee__ | what happened to dpkg? |
| 18:05.43 | rking | Blue9: dork with xvidtune |
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| 18:06.14 | directhex | Blue9, you set your refresh rates wrong |
| 18:06.20 | LSorensen | pete: http://www.tmc-uk.com/ is a UK distributor for both 3ware and acera |
| 18:06.33 | LSorensen | pete: the 3ware is faster but I think the acera costs less. |
| 18:07.11 | stew | i thought the 3ware pata cards are faster but the sata cards were slower than acera |
| 18:07.14 | stew | i could be wrong though |
| 18:07.16 | LSorensen | pete: at least acera seems to think they are a distributer |
| 18:07.25 | LSorensen | stew: not according to the benchmarks I saw |
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| 18:07.34 | LSorensen | stew: the 3ware won by quite a bit actually |
| 18:07.36 | pete | LSorensen: great thanks very much |
| 18:07.44 | stew | go 3ware |
| 18:07.52 | LSorensen | pete: 3ware is known to work, acera is new, so who knows |
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| 18:08.12 | LSorensen | pete: 3ware has their own chip design, while acera uses an intel chip (probably an i960 I suspect) |
| 18:08.20 | stew | i have all old 3ware cards and they are great |
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| 18:09.00 | urbanfox[Vandal] | r gives new meaning to slow |
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| 18:09.08 | pete | LSorensen: Ahh, i see. I thought hardware raid was inipendant from the OS |
| 18:09.35 | directhex | pete, you still need a driver to talk to the card, even if it's only a few hundred lines long |
| 18:09.44 | LSorensen | pete: you still need a driver, just like for a scsi or ide or sata controller. |
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| 18:10.14 | LSorensen | pete: 3ware has had excelent linux drivers for years (about 90% of the 3ware users run linux according to a 3ware guy I talked to at a show a few years ago) |
| 18:10.15 | toonX | thanks dudes, i allways get cool answers on #debian :) |
| 18:10.17 | pete | LSorensen: Yeah, course |
| 18:10.45 | LSorensen | pete: you can get external raid boxes that connect to a scsi controller which use no drivers, but then you need a driver for the scsi card and the raid box just pretends to be scsi disks |
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| 18:11.59 | barongas | valdyn: I've gotten ahold of the necessary files, do you know any man files or tutorials that could help me through this? |
| 18:12.02 | directhex | LSorensen, or fibre! |
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| 18:14.26 | pete | LSorensen: yeah, i see what you mean |
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| 18:14.48 | pete | LSorensen: I will have to get some prices form them |
| 18:15.16 | LSorensen | pete: the raid card pretends to have a bunch of 'disks' which are actually just raid volumes setup on the card and the os uses the card as an interface to those volumes. the driver has to provide the way for the os to talk to the card |
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| 18:15.48 | pete | LSorensen: clever idea |
| 18:16.02 | LSorensen | directhex: pete is on a budget :) |
| 18:16.21 | pete | hehe |
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| 18:17.22 | greycat | ``With today's dinstall run, new gcc/g++ packages are entering the archives and GCC 4.0 is the default gcc/g++.'' |
| 18:17.50 | smagy2 | hello folks, i am using 2.6.12 on unstable and when i boot up the system i get the message Fatal: Module ide_detect not found ,could some one please tell me what i am missing |
| 18:17.53 | greycat | New and exciting breakage! |
| 18:18.06 | greycat | smagy2: use a kernel that's not broken. |
| 18:18.07 | LSorensen | greycat: eek |
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| 18:18.48 | smagy2 | greycat:oh didn't realize 2.6.12.1 was broken |
| 18:18.49 | smagy2 | thanks |
| 18:18.53 | LSorensen | smagy2: your initrd apparently dislikes your kernel or something. What is wrong with 2.6.11 from debian? |
| 18:19.25 | abrotman | LSorensen: it's not l33t |
| 18:19.39 | greycat | smagy2: *your* kernel is broken. 2.6.12.1 may or may not be, but you have misconfigured YOURS for sure. |
| 18:19.47 | LSorensen | abrotman: no but it works for most people, and is much simper for those that don't know what they are doing yet. |
| 18:19.58 | barongas | I'm looking for a way to apply a .diff file to a source and I have no idea on where to begin. Any man files, tutorials or search phrases to use? |
| 18:19.59 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 18:19.59 | directhex | udev doesn't work on 2.6.12 |
| 18:19.59 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 18:20.03 | greycat | barongas: man patch |
| 18:20.09 | LSorensen | barongas: man patch |
| 18:20.10 | barongas | greycat thanks |
| 18:20.17 | barongas | Lsorensen dito |
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| 18:21.00 | smagy2 | greycat: oh :D any clues on what i could be missing |
| 18:21.38 | smagy2 | i have made sure that under device drivers i have the neccessary options selected for ide and they are built into the kernel |
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| 18:22.14 | greycat | smagy2: then why is it attempting to load ide_detect as a module? |
| 18:22.37 | greycat | and what happens when it fails? does it hang/crash, or is that just a warning? |
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| 18:22.45 | onlinebacon | hi |
| 18:22.50 | opc0de | hey how can I find out why a package has been kept back when apt-get update'ing ? |
| 18:22.55 | Pryon | (_8(|) Mmmmmmmmm. Bacon. |
| 18:22.57 | greycat | !kept back |
| 18:22.58 | dpkg | [kept back] when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 18:23.01 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
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| 18:23.27 | valdyn | opc0de: run apt-get -s install <package> |
| 18:23.40 | onlinebacon | lol |
| 18:23.52 | opc0de | thanks |
| 18:23.52 | onlinebacon | bacon is good to eat, so good i made it my name :D |
| 18:24.00 | Pryon | I will become the personal slave of the person do implement downloadable bacon. |
| 18:24.10 | Pryon | s/do/to/ |
| 18:24.27 | smagy2 | greycat: because /etc/modules has the lines to load ide-cd ide-detect ide-disk and psmouse to be loaded. i thought they were in place for the 2.4 kernel to load those. it drops me to single user mode and with the option to logon to do admin work or normal bootup which is reboot. it fails to mount the ext3 partitions |
| 18:24.32 | Spec | downloadable bacon... |
| 18:24.36 | Anthro | I have a runaway process that was spawned by cupsd. Its process name is usb, which isn't too surprising since the printer is connected via USB. The problem is that it isn't responding to kill signals, even kill -9 by root. It's taking up all of one of my CPUs. Any suggestions short of rebooting? |
| 18:24.39 | Spec | man; i want some bacon now :-/ |
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| 18:25.05 | greycat | smagy2: sounds like you're missing some drivers. |
| 18:25.10 | stew | Anthro: kill the parent process |
| 18:25.14 | Spec | Anthro: kill cups |
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| 18:25.31 | greycat | Anthro: show us the process's line from "ps auxw" |
| 18:25.34 | Spec | or cupsd, or whatever it is |
| 18:25.35 | Anthro | stew,Spec: Tried that. No effect. |
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| 18:25.52 | Spec | even /etc/init.d/cupsd stop ? |
| 18:25.58 | Pryon | cupsys |
| 18:26.01 | Spec | cupsys? |
| 18:26.06 | Spec | *knows nothing about cups* O:-) |
| 18:26.07 | Anthro | greycat: root 29464 94.8 0.1 3336 764 ? R 14:06 18:13 usb://HP/DeskJet%20840C?serial=MX06P1T0VGKV 9 gss <STDIN> 1 Resolution=600dpi multiple-document-handling=separate-documents-collated-copies |
| 18:26.13 | Anthro | Spec: Yes. |
| 18:26.20 | Pryon | /etc/init.d/cupsys stop |
| 18:26.22 | greycat | state R and it's not responding to SIGKILL? |
| 18:26.24 | wols- | probably waits for some IO and is stalled for eternity. ps aux has a field for that. man ps explains the files what the letters mean |
| 18:26.24 | greycat | that's a new one. |
| 18:26.42 | Anthro | greycat: New, interesting, and quite irritating. |
| 18:27.11 | chugga | greycat, hello old chum |
| 18:27.27 | opc0de | okay, when I try to do an apt-get update, it says that slapd will be kept back.. now when I do an apt-get install slapd, it says it will upgrade my copy of slapd.. how can I find out what version of slapd it will replace my current version with? |
| 18:27.29 | Anthro | wols-: Assuming that's the problem, how do I fix it? |
| 18:27.41 | greycat | opc0de: the -s should say. |
| 18:27.50 | Anthro | opc0de: apt-get install apt-show-versions |
| 18:28.06 | rob_lt | opc0de, or -V for verbose |
| 18:28.07 | Anthro | opc0de: Then apt-show-versions -a slapd |
| 18:28.13 | opc0de | thanks |
| 18:28.25 | seemawn | hi |
| 18:28.26 | opc0de | although I just noticed that valdyn said to use -s (didn't know about the simulate flag before) |
| 18:28.27 | onlinebacon | I'm downloading the net install iso :D |
| 18:28.27 | onlinebacon | debian for me later |
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| 18:28.39 | smagy2 | greycat: well looks i have Intel 82801DBM chipset, but couldn't find that in the kernel options under IDE section. i wonder what is the dumb mistake i making |
| 18:28.41 | schrankwand | i have heard about a website where I can download a lot of inofficial debian-pakages. do somebody know this website? |
| 18:28.46 | smagy2 | or rather controller |
| 18:28.49 | Anthro | greycat: So any suggestions on how to make this process die? |
| 18:29.11 | Pryon | E: Couldn't find package bacon |
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| 18:29.14 | rob_lt | schrankwand, not sure what you want. You can add contrib and non-free to your sources.list file. There is also apt-get.org |
| 18:29.21 | directhex | schrankwand, there aren't many unofficial packages you actually need/want |
| 18:29.32 | empty | !marillat |
| 18:29.32 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 18:30.08 | schrankwand | maybe that is what i'm looking for |
| 18:30.09 | greycat | Anthro: rebooting is all I can think of |
| 18:30.09 | schrankwand | thanks |
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| 18:30.30 | rob_lt | schrankwand, apt-get.org would have given you marillat |
| 18:31.11 | chugga | ok bye |
| 18:31.23 | Anthro | greycat: Yeah, I was afraid of that. |
| 18:32.11 | zimnyx | i've found my Sid behaves weird lately. today it freezed several times. i haved to use fsck.reiserfs --rebuild-tree /var. disk is often working hard. firefox disappears from screen.. anyone met something silimar? (i use gnome 2.10.2) |
| 18:32.18 | stew | Anthro: maybe strace it and see what its doing? |
| 18:32.35 | Anthro | Turning off the printer and turning it back on let the process die. |
| 18:32.41 | dondelelcaro | *** I WILL BE REMOVING 23 LINES OF BANS. /ignore #debian MODES; is strongly recommended. *** |
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| 18:32.50 | directhex | zimnyx, if you think it's bad now, sid goes crazy, broadway style, as of tonight |
| 18:32.52 | dondelelcaro | unbanning begins |
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| 18:33.13 | FieldySnuts | i like cake |
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| 18:33.15 | directhex | next time we need a warning about the 2 annoying warning lines, please |
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| 18:33.30 | EdibleText | good maybe now Ill get my voice back |
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| 18:34.00 | zimnyx | directhex: what you mean Sid goes crazy? |
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| 18:34.21 | directhex | sid goes crazy and stuff |
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| 18:34.42 | greycat | anyone who runs sid should already know that. because they should have gotten their d-d-a mail like I did. |
| 18:34.42 | zimnyx | directhex: after releasing sarge, something changed? |
| 18:34.43 | EdibleText | dont you know? Sid is loco.. |
| 18:34.46 | directhex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:35.05 | zimnyx | greycat: i subscribe debian weekly news |
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| 18:35.09 | dondelelcaro | you can unignore #debian modes; if you wish |
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| 18:35.55 | EdibleText | cool. Debian Weekly World News! Batboy configures X! |
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| 18:36.14 | greycat | zimnyx: and that's enough for stable users. |
| 18:36.30 | Spec | what about unstable users that use sarge? ^.~ |
| 18:36.34 | Anthro | dondelelcaro: Out of curiosity, why were those bans removed? No longer necessary, or old, or what? |
| 18:36.41 | RichiH | Anthro: old |
| 18:36.50 | greycat | Spec: well I'm an unstable user who uses openbsd. but the latter just isn't relevant to the former. |
| 18:36.57 | Spec | hehe |
| 18:37.04 | tarzeau | greycat: muahaha, remember this? http://www.melaman2.com/cartoons/singles/mp3/flash-gordon.mp3 |
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| 18:37.22 | Spec | so there's no special weekly news for unstable users? |
| 18:37.29 | stew | greycat: you are an unstable user who uses hpux and those two might actually be related |
| 18:37.35 | zimnyx | greycat: i thought that Sid is in premament development. am i wrong? |
| 18:37.36 | greycat | tarzeau: can't play it at work. |
| 18:37.41 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 18:37.41 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:37.42 | EdibleText | Spec, who would write it.. the users are too busy foxing things |
| 18:37.48 | Spec | doctor's appointment; no more work! laters |
| 18:37.55 | EdibleText | fixing even |
| 18:37.56 | Spec | EdibleText: an unstable user would write it :) |
| 18:37.57 | zimnyx | greycat: thanks.i'll read it now |
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| 18:37.59 | bobwJek | what can i use to terminal services into windows servers from debian X??? |
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| 18:38.13 | EdibleText | heh |
| 18:38.21 | wols- | bobwJek: rdesktop I think |
| 18:38.23 | PeTeRB | bobwJek: rdesktop? |
| 18:38.32 | directhex | rdesktop |
| 18:38.43 | directhex | use grdesktop as a front-end if you prefer |
| 18:38.49 | wols- | greycat: Windows kills grammar |
| 18:38.55 | bobwJek | wols, pererb, directhex, thanks will try it |
| 18:38.56 | RichiH | greycat: "he services the swimming pool" |
| 18:39.05 | greycat | RichiH: point. |
| 18:39.11 | RichiH | greycat: taken |
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| 18:39.19 | directhex | he services his wif... no, that's just crude |
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| 18:40.01 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: i'm back ;-).. so, the command i used to create all tarballs was: tar -cf - /path | ssh user@server "cd /some/dir; cat - >> file.tar" |
| 18:40.02 | PeTeRB | bobwJek: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 18:40.17 | jeffpc_ | any idea when php5 will get into unstable? |
| 18:40.37 | stew | jeffpc_: /msg dpkg wir |
| 18:40.48 | bobwJek | PeTeRB, awesome thanks |
| 18:40.58 | RichiH | jeffpc_: a personal guess would be _after_ the gcc 3.5/4.0 transistion is made |
| 18:40.59 | LSorensen | bizkit_: you did a >> ? |
| 18:41.05 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: i even used -v on tar to see everything, and it looked very good all files went into the tarball |
| 18:41.07 | LSorensen | bizkit_: that isn't what you wanted I am sure |
| 18:41.10 | jeffpc_ | Stereo: sounds promissing :-) |
| 18:41.20 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: yes, i did it with > |
| 18:41.24 | stew | Mono: sounds crappy |
| 18:41.25 | LSorensen | bizkit_: ok |
| 18:41.28 | jeffpc_ | RichiH: sounds reasonable |
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| 18:41.47 | LSorensen | bizkit_: would't | ssh user@server "cat > /some/dir/file.tar" have been simpler? |
| 18:42.06 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> SARGE RELEASED. | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Sid is getting gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI; beware breakage! | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 18:42.25 | LSorensen | bizkit_: now that still looks reasonable unless cat or ssh has a 4G or 2G file size bug |
| 18:42.32 | RichiH | greycat: what did you change? |
| 18:42.54 | greycat | RichiH: "SID ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE" to "Sid is getting gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI; beware breakage!" (and moved it back a bit) |
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| 18:43.09 | opc0de | thanks for the help guys |
| 18:43.27 | Tim_ | hm, should sarge (only console) run fast on a 600MHZ PIII with 128mb ram? I ask because installing anything via apt-get takes 1-2min. almost no services do run. |
| 18:43.28 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: yes.. yes.. ;) this was just the original line i had i my history, i did it like this: tar -cvvf - /path | ssh user@server "cat - > /path/to/file.tar" |
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| 18:43.31 | RichiH | greycat: ah yes, good idea, that |
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| 18:43.36 | greycat | Tim_: define fast. |
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| 18:44.00 | LSorensen | Tim_: should run pretty fast. I run it on a 486/66 wiht 48M and find apt-get is a touch sluggish, but still usable (unlike dselect) |
| 18:44.04 | greycat | apt and dpkg are pigs, but with 128 MB of RAM you shouldn't be seeing 1-2 minutes for simple package installations |
| 18:44.04 | apt | ...but and dpkg is already something else... |
| 18:44.19 | Tim_ | greycat: installing via apt-get takes 1-2 min. where on my other box p2.4 it takes 5-10sec. |
| 18:44.20 | LSorensen | bizkit_: well looks sane to me as long as the user@server uses an ssh key |
| 18:44.25 | RichiH | @and dpkg |
| 18:44.25 | EdibleText | ~and dpkg |
| 18:44.26 | apt | dpkg is, like, a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
| 18:44.29 | wols- | Tim_: it shouldn't. run top in another console to check who or what uses all the CPU. also really make sure your IDE disks run in busmaster DMA mode with hdparm |
| 18:44.31 | LSorensen | bizkit_: so I guess testing for a bug is in order |
| 18:44.36 | RichiH | erm, yes, EdibleText |
| 18:44.38 | greycat | ~literal and dpkg |
| 18:44.38 | apt | "and dpkg" is "<REPLY> are different clocks. :o" |
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| 18:44.43 | stephenM | hi all |
| 18:44.49 | EdibleText | ~and dpkg foo |
| 18:44.57 | Tim_ | wols-: its only dpkg eating cpu/ram |
| 18:44.58 | stephenM | is it deliberate that sshd closes idle sessions? |
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| 18:45.05 | Tim_ | wols-: I check DMS |
| 18:45.06 | greycat | stephenM: it doesn't. your NAT does. |
| 18:45.09 | Tim_ | wols-: I check DMA |
| 18:45.20 | greycat | stephenM: use a keepalive of some sort. |
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| 18:45.30 | zimnyx | greycat: after one success year of using Sid, i consider to install testing. the best solution is to have both.. |
| 18:45.31 | stephenM | greycat: this is a local lan, it's not on the internet |
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| 18:46.01 | greycat | stephenM: then you've got something that's not operating at default settings. could be the shell. could be an idle user killer daemon on the server. could be an option in sshd_config. |
| 18:46.04 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: i can't this was my last chance to get the data from this disc it's defect now! no way to access the drive anymore, i just got this bunch of data which seemed to be ok on creation time like all the others.. one of them is 1.8gb and works well |
| 18:48.11 | pete | LSorensen: do you know whatt the support is like for the adaptec sata raid controllers |
| 18:48.15 | kesu-ki | I'm paranoid that last time i burned a dvd under debian it somehow set my burner to only burn at 3.3x speed, until i powered off the system completely, and unplugged it for 5 minutes.. I used k3b, but i had also tried to manually use the command line tool.. |
| 18:48.46 | EdibleText | kesu-ki, sounds like bad mojo |
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| 18:49.11 | kesu-ki | yeah, well, the burner worked fine after powering it down |
| 18:49.14 | LSorensen | pete: it can be a bit hard finding a kernel with good _working_ support for their hardware raid. A lot of their cards are not hardware raid either and have no support. |
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| 18:49.36 | frehfreh | how do I deinstall a package? |
| 18:49.53 | EdibleText | frehfreh, apt-get remove <package> |
| 18:49.54 | LSorensen | pete: the sil3114 based ones are never hardware raid, they are proprietary software raid |
| 18:49.57 | frehfreh | thx |
| 18:50.01 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: i opened this tarball with less and can see some text files and so on.. just looks like every other tarball, isn't there any trick to get the data out of this one? |
| 18:50.03 | LSorensen | pete: some of the cheaper adaptec cards use that chip |
| 18:50.17 | EdibleText | frehfreh, apt-get remove --purge <package> #removes config files as well |
| 18:50.27 | LSorensen | bizkit_: well maybe some versions of tar or some tar option can search until it finds valid tar headers and continue from there. |
| 18:50.39 | kesu-ki | yes, well I'm crossing my fingers this time |
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| 18:50.42 | raf256 | HELP |
| 18:50.46 | raf256 | \\o/ |
| 18:50.47 | FieldySnuts | don't yell at us please |
| 18:50.49 | raf256 | why my soundblaster 24 |
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| 18:50.53 | pete | LSorensen: AHH, oki thanks. I am thinking of a tyan thundercat mobo, and i would need an sata card even if its not hardware raid 5 |
| 18:50.54 | FieldySnuts | and you've been really irritating the past few days, good luck |
| 18:50.56 | raf256 | is not detected by alsaconf? |
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| 18:51.09 | LSorensen | bizkit_: I am about to try and run a test to see if 5G files survive a transfer |
| 18:51.14 | directhex | LSorensen, to be fair, some raid cards are implemented with a dedicated cpu, plus some sii3114's abstracted away behind it |
| 18:51.23 | raf256 | FieldySnuts: yes I was \o/ ok I will stop now.. ;) |
| 18:51.30 | LSorensen | directhex: sure, but then there is still more than an sil3114 chip. |
| 18:51.30 | kesu-ki | if k3b is bugged, which dvd burner app should i use? |
| 18:51.37 | raf256 | Why alsaconf do not detec my soundblaster 24 bit card (PCI)? |
| 18:51.39 | LSorensen | directhex: not just a fancy bios and a proprietary driver |
| 18:51.43 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: thanks very much :) |
| 18:51.50 | LSorensen | raf256: what is the pci id? (lspci -n |grep 0401) |
| 18:51.52 | directhex | LSorensen, well, obviously. my last siimage card i threw in the sink for being shit |
| 18:51.58 | Tim_ | . |
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| 18:52.07 | Tim_ | hm, wron keyboard |
| 18:52.16 | raf256 | root@lore:/home/raf256# lspci -n |grep 0401 |
| 18:52.16 | raf256 | 0000:00:06.0 0401: 10de:00ea (rev a1) |
| 18:52.19 | raf256 | LSorensen: ^ |
| 18:52.19 | xTina | Is there a way to get rid of a udeb installed into the initrd of a Debian ISO? If I chroot there and use the udpkg present in there, it says that -r is not implemented. If I use the regular dpkg with --root it complains about a missing /var/lib/dpkg/updates. |
| 18:52.42 | LSorensen | raf256: how old is the card? |
| 18:52.43 | raf256 | LSorensen: I have NVidia3 MB sound card as well, but it sucks ass |
| 18:52.44 | tarzeau | any bub-n-bros.sf.net takers telesto.lug-ag.ch:1070 ? |
| 18:52.44 | wols- | directhex: don't scare me. just bought a sata disk which I now want to put on my siimage3112 controller |
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| 18:52.52 | raf256 | LSorensen: it is new - SB 24 bit card |
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| 18:52.54 | FieldySnuts | damn stop asking |
| 18:52.55 | directhex | the sound blaster live 24bit uses snd-ca0106 which is not in debian |
| 18:53.04 | Anthro | [OT] is anyone having trouble getting to mozilla.org? |
| 18:53.10 | directhex | VERY new. |
| 18:53.12 | LSorensen | raf256: the 10de is the nvidia |
| 18:53.13 | FieldySnuts | generally silicon image based cards are dung, good luck |
| 18:53.16 | raf256 | directhex: fuck! will it be soon? |
| 18:53.23 | FieldySnuts | not always. |
| 18:53.25 | directhex | also, run update-pciids |
| 18:53.29 | LSorensen | raf256: does it list another pci id? |
| 18:53.29 | raf256 | LSorensen: the nvidia isnt working as well - it plays silence |
| 18:53.34 | EdibleText | !punish SIS |
| 18:53.36 | wols- | FieldySnuts: integrated on mobo |
| 18:53.38 | raf256 | LSorensen: the grep lists only this |
| 18:53.50 | directhex | raf256, install a 2.6.11 kernel. |
| 18:53.50 | LSorensen | raf256: makes me think the sb isn't installed in the slot fully |
| 18:53.57 | raf256 | directhex I do have 2.6.11 |
| 18:53.58 | directhex | EdibleText, why bring SiS into it? |
| 18:54.14 | directhex | raf256, modprobe snd-ca0106 ? |
| 18:54.14 | raf256 | LSorensen: the NVidia (built in) do not work as well |
| 18:54.16 | jaro | hi there. I have couple of openafs processess hanging on my machine. They don't respond to kill nor kill -9. Is there any way how one can get rid of such zombies? |
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| 18:54.34 | LSorensen | raf256: how about: lspci -n |grep 1102 |
| 18:54.34 | EdibleText | directhex, I needed to vent.. SiS is a good target |
| 18:54.36 | raf256 | LSorensen: after modprobe lspci | grep gives the same |
| 18:54.38 | fernando_ | how can i install the kernel source on debian sarge 3.1?? i try to install with the dvd media but when i need to use show that i need to install the KS, but ts already installed... somebody help me?? |
| 18:54.50 | raf256 | LSorensen: grep 1102 returns 0000:00:18.2 0600: 1022:1102 |
| 18:54.56 | EdibleText | directhex, (plus FieldySnuts mentioned them) |
| 18:55.00 | directhex | raf256, did you run update-pciids yet? |
| 18:55.16 | directhex | EdibleText, no, FieldySnuts mentionned silicon image, not silicon integrated systems |
| 18:55.29 | raf256 | directhex no, I will now |
| 18:55.33 | LSorensen | raf256: weird. I would expect lspci -n to find something similar to: 0000:00:x.x 0401: 1102:0006 or something |
| 18:55.36 | Tim_ | jaro: usually not, besides reboot. |
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| 18:55.58 | LSorensen | raf256: your machine is basically claiming you have no sb card in the machine. Are you on the right machine? (Believe me I have done that before) |
| 18:56.02 | jaro | Tim_: this is what I was afraid of :-( |
| 18:56.14 | amorphix | is it foolish to play mp3's over NFS across a 10/100 ethernet, half-duplex? |
| 18:56.17 | directhex | 1102:0007 is what that card should be, i think |
| 18:56.20 | EdibleText | directhex, SiS still deserved it. |
| 18:56.25 | raf256 | LSorensen: ok I did, it did downloaded (?) something... now I will rerun alsaconf... nwo I should be able to use NVidia or SB24? I prefer SB since NV sucks donkey's ass - only oss |
| 18:56.39 | raf256 | LSorensen: yes, Im using it now (desktop) |
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| 18:56.49 | LSorensen | raf256: alsaconf sucs. just adding snd-emu10k1 to /etc/modules should work |
| 18:56.57 | directhex | raf256, wrong. the proprietary nvsound module is OSS only. the open-source snd-intel8x0 module is ALSA. |
| 18:57.05 | directhex | LSorensen, that card isn't emu10k1 |
| 18:57.06 | raf256 | LSorensen: how exacly? echo "snd-emu10k1" > .... ? |
| 18:57.08 | amorphix | im getting network collision LED flashing alot, and my system freezes up, mp3's stop playing :-/ |
| 18:57.09 | directhex | gah |
| 18:57.16 | LSorensen | raf256: but if lspci sees no sb, then I doubt you have an sb in the machine, or your bios is broken or the card is or something is making it confused |
| 18:57.29 | directhex | !violent stupidity |
| 18:57.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, violent stupidity is idiocy so strong, so overwhelmingly stupid, that it reaches out from your IRC client and punches you in the face |
| 18:57.32 | raf256 | LSorensen: but the lspci did print out two cards didnt it? |
| 18:57.34 | amorphix | what can i do to avoid lockouts and network collisions? |
| 18:57.43 | directhex | raf256, did you run update-pciids |
| 18:57.46 | LSorensen | raf256: echo snd-emu10k1 >> /etc/modules (but that only works if the card is found and is no supported in the emu10k1 driver, which runs almost all new sb cards) |
| 18:57.49 | raf256 | directhex: now, yes |
| 18:57.53 | amorphix | hi |
| 18:57.55 | LSorensen | directhex: that won't make the kernel see more pci devices |
| 18:58.02 | LSorensen | directhex: just know new pci ids |
| 18:58.16 | directhex | LSorensen, meaning it will give more descriptive output from lspci |
| 18:58.18 | raf256 | LSorensen: so I should just echo the above, then.... then what? and disable NV3 card in BIOS finally? |
| 18:58.27 | pete | LSorensen: check this out, looks good and price is awsome http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=83203 |
| 18:58.32 | directhex | raf256, YOUR CARD DOES NOT USE FUCKIONG SND-EMU10K1 |
| 18:58.35 | LSorensen | raf256: well your first problem is finding out why your sb card isn't being seen |
| 18:58.42 | amorphix | haha |
| 18:58.45 | EdibleText | amorphix, what card? |
| 18:58.51 | directhex | pete, software raid, awful linux support |
| 18:58.54 | greycat | LSorensen: wasn't he already told? |
| 18:59.01 | raf256 | !chillout directhex |
| 18:59.02 | amorphix | EdibleText: i think its a NE2000 not sure |
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| 18:59.07 | pete | dam really |
| 18:59.09 | pete | dammit |
| 18:59.10 | pete | lol |
| 18:59.20 | pete | someone buy me a 3ware, heh |
| 18:59.23 | amorphix | EdibleText: either that or a 3com 3xxx series |
| 18:59.25 | directhex | fuck it. you guys work it out yourselves. i cannot be fucked to sit here actually having to fight to shove correct data down your throats |
| 18:59.40 | EdibleText | amorphix, whoa thats quite a spread.. have you tried an alternative card |
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| 18:59.59 | raf256 | ok... let me start over. I have SB24 bit and NV3 in MB cards. I want to use either, but to have ALSA. what should I do exacly now? |
| 19:00.27 | EdibleText | amorphix, did this happen recently, after working fine before. or a new card |
| 19:00.28 | jaro | How does alsa access soundcards? If I do have two soundcards and want alsa to use the one, which is _physically_ the second one? My machine always loads the first card. And I'm not very familiar with modules & boot-up process, where, I expect, the solution to this problem lies. Any suggestions? |
| 19:00.51 | frehfreh | okay now do I really need the service on port 113? I just purged 111 |
| 19:00.54 | amorphix | EdibleText: oh i just checked..its Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] |
| 19:00.59 | frehfreh | 113 is some http thingy |
| 19:01.09 | Pryon | identd |
| 19:01.12 | raf256 | ...? |
| 19:01.16 | EdibleText | jaro, change the order in /etc/modules |
| 19:01.17 | frehfreh | y |
| 19:01.21 | Ronin | frehfreh: 113 is ident |
| 19:01.29 | frehfreh | do I need it on a dns server? |
| 19:01.34 | amorphix | EdibleText: well i only started having probs since i put my systems onto NFS for my home directory and started doing MP3s |
| 19:01.37 | greycat | raf256: ask #alsa what version of linux and/or alsa is required to get the driver for those. |
| 19:01.43 | greycat | (or ask google) |
| 19:01.48 | raf256 | greycat: thnx |
| 19:01.51 | directhex | it's in 2.6.11 in theory |
| 19:01.59 | EdibleText | amorphix, somehow I think the problem might *not* be the card.. ;) |
| 19:02.00 | Gnea | jaro: first is hw:0,0 second is hw:0,1 or hw:0,2 |
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| 19:02.11 | amorphix | EdibleText: thats a good card? |
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| 19:02.15 | jaro | EdibleText: If I do have modutils (which generate /etc/modules.conf), is /etc/modules still executed? |
| 19:02.21 | directhex | but he's hung up on god knows what, still hasn't given any replies to earlier tests like modprobe snd-ca0106 |
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| 19:02.44 | greycat | directhex: he's been on my 10-day ignore lists many times now. he's got issues in general. |
| 19:02.47 | amorphix | perhaps i need to tweak my NFS to allow larger data chunks |
| 19:02.59 | principito | Hi... I have this listed on netstat -nult: |
| 19:03.00 | principito | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1021 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 19:03.06 | greycat | principito: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 19:03.08 | raf256 | directhex: wtf? I did replied! to both. are you blind? |
| 19:03.14 | EdibleText | amorphix, I use the dual port version in some servers I make.. I have a bout 16 out in the world that I maintain. no problems ever (yet) |
| 19:03.16 | jaro | EdibleText: executed is not the right word... |
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| 19:03.19 | amorphix | for regular use it seems fine, but with MP3's it tends to bottleneck or stop alot, if u're doing multitasking while playing mp3 |
| 19:03.20 | Gnea | !tell raf256 about ask |
| 19:03.28 | directhex | greycat, evidently. for some reason i keep believing that the human race will prove me wrong. i must be still young & idealistic |
| 19:03.41 | amorphix | EdibleText: you have NFS too? |
| 19:03.49 | principito | Are there any way to close that connection? |
| 19:03.51 | pete | so i should stay away from highpoint? whats a good sata card that i can used for software raid that has good support? promise? |
| 19:04.06 | LSorensen | amorphix: if you ever get the machine to see an sb card (something with 1102 as the vendor id) then if it is 0006 or 0007 or 0008 (one of which is sb live 24bit or audigy value and so on) then the emu10k1 driver (at least in 2.6.11 kernel's version of alsa driver) |
| 19:04.07 | EdibleText | amorphix, played with once. in dec 1999. |
| 19:04.33 | directhex | http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix |
| 19:04.35 | EdibleText | jaro, /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. |
| 19:04.56 | EdibleText | jaro, thats the one you want to change.. dont touch modules.conf |
| 19:04.59 | amorphix | LSorensen: was that meant for me? |
| 19:05.43 | directhex | raf256, you at _NO_ point either gave any output from modprobe snd-ca0106, nor gave the new result of lspci after running update-pciids |
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| 19:06.06 | raf256 | directhex: but I did! ok let me repeat them |
| 19:06.15 | amorphix | i have so many issues right now with my Linux systems |
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| 19:06.30 | EdibleText | amorphix, a subscription perhaps? |
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| 19:06.46 | amorphix | hehe |
| 19:06.55 | amorphix | i will subscribe to linux |
| 19:07.05 | raf256 | [20:53] <raf256> LSorensen: after modprobe lspci | grep gives the same |
| 19:07.05 | raf256 | [20:53] <raf256> LSorensen: grep 1102 returns 0000:00:18.2 0600: 1022:1102 |
| 19:07.10 | raf256 | directhex ^ |
| 19:07.11 | jaro | Okay. What is the reason of modules.conf if I can ask (I expect I can find it written somewhere)? Is any module loading at boot time caused by /etc/modules.conf or it just contains existing modules and it's aliases? |
| 19:07.22 | LSorensen | amorphix: no |
| 19:07.25 | henk | Hi, where did the package go that used to download and install tinydns ? i think it was called djbdns but its not in my sources tree in sarge |
| 19:07.46 | LSorensen | raf256: 1022 is some other vendor id. 1102 should be before the : in the device id |
| 19:07.47 | EdibleText | info djbns-installer |
| 19:07.48 | directhex | modprobe lspci | grep? what shit is that? |
| 19:07.54 | EdibleText | !info djbns-installer |
| 19:07.56 | LSorensen | raf256: 1022 is amd |
| 19:08.07 | LSorensen | raf256: as far as I recall |
| 19:08.12 | amorphix | if i could get the optical out to work on my soundcard in linux i could record my MP3s onto MDs |
| 19:08.18 | raf256 | anyway, I get the NV3 working - installing from nvidia.com - but only oss |
| 19:08.18 | Gnea | jaro: modules.conf sets configuration parameters for modules loaded via modutils/module-init-tools at boottime and are configured through the /etc/modutils/ directory |
| 19:08.19 | amorphix | that would solve two problems |
| 19:08.28 | directhex | 1022:1102 is K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller |
| 19:08.31 | EdibleText | !info djbdns-installer |
| 19:08.33 | dpkg | djbdns-installer: (Source only package for building djbdns), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.05-11 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 19:08.35 | pete | what about this one, it looks software http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=177676 |
| 19:08.35 | LSorensen | amorphix: I would think the optical out works on many cards with alsa |
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| 19:08.43 | amorphix | coool |
| 19:08.51 | nutter | Wow... |
| 19:08.52 | amorphix | i need alsa then |
| 19:08.53 | Gnea | jaro: i believe that applies as well to modules loaded via discover[1] |
| 19:08.58 | directhex | raf256, as you were ALREADY TOLD, nforce3 audio is supported in the open-source ALSA snd-intel8x0 driver |
| 19:08.59 | nutter | Talk about users... |
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| 19:09.09 | frehfreh | okay i need apache2 with ssl but I only found libapache-mod_ssl that's for 1.3 |
| 19:09.11 | henk | hmm so it should still be there...hmm so lets check by sources config thnx |
| 19:09.12 | bizkit_ | LSorensen: i currently tried it using a 5.7G dir and tar 1.14 with the command from above. file says the created tarball is a tarball, and i can extract it without problems! |
| 19:09.13 | frehfreh | what do i need for apache2 |
| 19:09.21 | LSorensen | frehfreh: I thought apache2 included ssl |
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| 19:09.42 | LSorensen | bizkit_: hmm, I wonder what went wrong last time then |
| 19:09.43 | directhex | raf256, and what is the output from "lsmod | grep snd | tail -n2" |
| 19:09.51 | frehfreh | ohw ok but how do I enable it? through the apache2.conf or some debian tool? |
| 19:09.52 | amorphix | openssl |
| 19:09.57 | frehfreh | ok |
| 19:10.19 | Gnea | raf256: you got problems buddy - first off, don't take irc so seriously |
| 19:10.32 | amorphix | phew |
| 19:10.33 | EdibleText | Gnea, what the hell are you talking about |
| 19:10.37 | frehfreh | I allready have openssl |
| 19:10.47 | EdibleText | Gnea, joke :) |
| 19:10.56 | Gnea | EdibleText: what? |
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| 19:11.12 | amorphix | apache2 has ssl module eh |
| 19:11.18 | frehfreh | ohw okay |
| 19:11.18 | amorphix | but it needs to be enabled |
| 19:11.18 | nutter | Is there a nickname inactivity expire here? |
| 19:11.26 | nutter | Like, after a certain length of inactivity |
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| 19:11.28 | frehfreh | in the apache2 conf/.\ |
| 19:11.33 | frehfreh | ? |
| 19:11.34 | RichiH | nutter: 60 days |
| 19:11.43 | EdibleText | Gnea, it was an attempt at humor. A response to your statement about taking IRC seriously |
| 19:11.44 | nutter | 60 days, eh. |
| 19:11.45 | RichiH | nutter: what nick? |
| 19:11.46 | amorphix | debian has a weird setup for apache2 |
| 19:11.50 | nutter | This one :P |
| 19:11.52 | nutter | Need to change in a sec |
| 19:11.57 | Gnea | EdibleText: heh |
| 19:11.59 | amorphix | u need to make symlinks for modules u want enabled |
| 19:12.00 | nutter | It's been inactive for 28 weeks |
| 19:12.11 | RichiH | nutter: it's dropped |
| 19:12.11 | nutter | Pretty annoying, when you've used it everywhere else for 5 years :P |
| 19:12.16 | bykte | is there anyway to create an empty 100mb file? |
| 19:12.22 | bykte | as a testfile? |
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| 19:12.29 | LSorensen | bykte: dd if=/dev/zero of=newfile bs=1M count=100 |
| 19:12.31 | BeBrA | hello! do you know any tool for sniffing pci bus data? I'm going to port a windows driver for linux, but I haven't full documentation for PCI card... |
| 19:12.37 | nutter | ... |
| 19:12.39 | nutter | Oh yeah |
| 19:12.43 | greycat | bykte: yes. |
| 19:12.44 | bykte | LSorensen, does that count too? |
| 19:12.45 | nutter | It prompted me for the password - odd. |
| 19:12.46 | RichiH | nutter: i did it manually ;) |
| 19:12.52 | EdibleText | bykte, empty wont be good if your test includes compression |
| 19:12.53 | bykte | i mean. empty files will be fast to download right? |
| 19:12.54 | greycat | but it won't be empty. it will have 100 MB in it. |
| 19:12.55 | LSorensen | BeBrA: sure, if you have some very expensive pci hardware |
| 19:13.01 | bykte | oh i see.. ok |
| 19:13.04 | RichiH | nutter: /whois me :p |
| 19:13.05 | bykte | i will try an iso file |
| 19:13.05 | frehfreh | hmm amorphix any url or more docs about enabling them? or in this case enabling "it" ? |
| 19:13.13 | amorphix | how can u have a file thats 100mb and is empty |
| 19:13.17 | amorphix | heh |
| 19:13.22 | frehfreh | lol |
| 19:13.22 | EdibleText | bykte, dd if=/dev/urandom of=newfile bs=1M count=100 |
| 19:13.31 | LSorensen | bykte: it would be a 100M file of nulls. unless you have compression on your transfer program it will NOT download faster than 100M random data |
| 19:13.33 | greycat | amorphix: I doubt he has enough clue that he meant a sparse file. |
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| 19:13.41 | amorphix | ahh |
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| 19:13.50 | nutter | RichiH, you lovely person. |
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| 19:13.53 | BeBrA | :( |
| 19:13.53 | bryno | hi Schiz0 |
| 19:14.00 | Schiz0 | lo |
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| 19:14.03 | Schiz0 | Hey |
| 19:14.12 | RichiH | nutter: heh |
| 19:14.22 | RichiH | nutter: anyway, have fun with your nick :) |
| 19:14.40 | nutter | Oh, I shall! |
| 19:14.41 | broken_chaos | He's a bit picky about nicknames. ;P |
| 19:14.45 | nutter | Haha :P |
| 19:14.46 | broken_chaos | Everywhere. |
| 19:14.48 | nutter | Hi chaos |
| 19:15.00 | broken_chaos | Hi James. :P |
| 19:15.16 | nutter | I loves my nickname, what can I say :) |
| 19:15.23 | directhex | looks like my demands for output from 2 commands scared away raf256. never mind. |
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| 19:15.34 | amorphix | frehfreh: check in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled to see if you have a symlink for ssl.load/.conf |
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| 19:16.18 | broken_chaos | It |
| 19:16.21 | directhex | for reference, the sound blaster live 24 bit is not emu10k1, it's based on the sound blaster LS chip, ca0106 |
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| 19:16.34 | broken_chaos | Agh, wrong computer. Not even wrong window. ^^; |
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| 19:16.36 | frehfreh | amorphix not there |
| 19:16.43 | frehfreh | no symlink |
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| 19:17.00 | amorphix | frehfreh: you must make one, check you have the modules installed first in /mods-available |
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| 19:18.30 | destr0 | I'm trying to remove a package from my system, so I can start with a fresh install of the package, but dpkg --purge doesn't quite do it, I'm not getting all of the original setup screens when I try the install on the next run |
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| 19:19.16 | amorphix | frehfreh: from /etc/apache2/mods-enabled do: ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf ssl.conf |
| 19:19.22 | frehfreh | okay amorphix i checked, it's there and I did a ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.load |
| 19:19.22 | EdibleText | destr0, dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 19:19.30 | frehfreh | oops |
| 19:19.36 | amorphix | and same for .load |
| 19:19.48 | greycat | destr0: perhaps you told debconf to use the wrong priority level? |
| 19:20.28 | greycat | destr0: or the new version has fewer questions? or there's a leftover file somewhere (not marked as a config file, therefore not purged) with settings. |
| 19:20.35 | destr0 | I don't think I told debconf to do anything |
| 19:20.42 | greycat | or perhaps we should beat you until you cough up the details. |
| 19:21.26 | frehfreh | amorphix I did them both. ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.load and ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.conf after that did a /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 19:21.34 | frehfreh | but still no listening on 443 |
| 19:21.36 | nvz | made it home just in time.. its pouring |
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| 19:21.49 | frehfreh | netstat -ant|grep 443 |
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| 19:22.00 | slipknot | hi! |
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| 19:22.23 | Juul | is there a way of getting ifup/ifdown to run automagicly when the network cable is plugged/unplugged? |
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| 19:22.42 | nvz | Juul: it doesnt need to |
| 19:22.49 | amorphix | frehfreh: well thats how you enable the ssl module in apache2, as for configuring/setting up ssl, you would need to follow a howto i guess |
| 19:22.53 | SonOfElton | back |
| 19:22.59 | frehfreh | okay thnak |
| 19:23.00 | nvz | Juul: if the interface is up, the link status will change automatically |
| 19:23.00 | slipknot | i have debian sarge 3.1 with kernel 2.6 but i want change my language to spanish... how can i do???? |
| 19:23.02 | frehfreh | thanks |
| 19:23.05 | frehfreh | time to go home now |
| 19:23.09 | frehfreh | the colo is a bit cold |
| 19:23.10 | SonOfElton | damn wrong server |
| 19:23.10 | frehfreh | :P |
| 19:23.12 | frehfreh | bbl |
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| 19:23.22 | nvz | Juul: though that may only be with cards that use the mii driver *shrug* |
| 19:23.24 | Juul | nvz, so i will get a new ip if i plug into another network with another dhcp server? |
| 19:23.30 | EdibleText | nvz, if the lease was lost, then dhcp client would need to be invoked once again |
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| 19:23.42 | nvz | Juul: that has nothing what so ever to do with ifupdown |
| 19:23.49 | nvz | Juul: thats the dhcp clients job |
| 19:23.58 | KerPlunk | Where do I get gpg signatures for my apt sources...like for nerim.net...I can't find anything about gpg signatures on nerim.net |
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| 19:24.19 | nvz | EdibleText: *nod* as you can see we are headed in that direction ;) |
| 19:24.23 | Juul | nvz, ok, so can i get the dhcp clien to get a new lease if i connect to another network |
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| 19:25.18 | EdibleText | I wonder if link status can be used to invoke a script? looks in /proc |
| 19:25.39 | devazion | ersion 2.211; type /help for help |
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| 19:25.57 | nvz | Juul: you pretty much got me stumped there.. I am at a loss for an effecient way of monitoring that. dmesg would report eth0: link up: 100mb/s or such.. but as for what you could do to activly monitor the status I have no idea |
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| 19:26.44 | Juul | nvz, hm. it seems odd that such a simple thing is not in debian per default. surely someone must have needed this before |
| 19:26.45 | usn | hi all |
| 19:27.26 | stew | KerPlunk: marillat's signature can be gotten from db.debian.org |
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| 19:27.51 | foo | What's the best way to configure X on debian? I put this hard drive in a new box and everything works fine except for X |
| 19:27.56 | nvz | Juul: sounds like a job for mii, I would try hook my code in there somewhere for best results not having to constantly poll the interface to see if it needs a lease |
| 19:28.00 | stew | KerPlunk: actually: http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 19:28.16 | Morti | foo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 19:28.16 | greycat | !drxx foo |
| 19:28.17 | dpkg | foo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 19:28.34 | barongas | Where is gtk-config on debian? |
| 19:28.37 | nvz | Juul: nothing in debian happens by default for one thing.. and another, there it would be stupid to assume people are going to be using DHCP |
| 19:28.47 | KerPlunk | thanks stew |
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| 19:29.22 | foo | Morti: How do I know if I'm using xfree86 or xorg? I tried that command - xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed ... I installed xorg, hmm. I think it might be using that |
| 19:29.25 | greycat | barongas: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:29.26 | Juul | nvz, ok, so i would have liked an option in /etc/network/interfaces or something |
| 19:29.32 | r3m | Hi, i wanna share this computer with debian and windows XP, but i got full NTFS and i can't resize, i dont wanna pay for partitionmagic, a program exist in a live distribution to resize a ntfs partition please? |
| 19:29.34 | greycat | foo: then you aren't in Debian. |
| 19:29.38 | Juul | nvz, anyway, i'll look at the mii thing. thanks |
| 19:29.51 | nvz | Juul: so what exactly would read that option in interfaces? |
| 19:29.56 | barongas | thanks <-- rookie |
| 19:30.04 | foo | greycat: heh, yeah, I am. Hmm |
| 19:30.13 | greycat | foo: you *were*, until you brought in x.org. |
| 19:30.21 | greycat | (possibly. or possibly you never were) |
| 19:30.32 | foo | greycat: Err, someone told me to do that... I'm not listening to him |
| 19:30.40 | foo | I'll apt-get remove xorg |
| 19:30.50 | Juul | nvz, no clue, i'm just saying that something like this should be easy to set up. it's in osx and win |
| 19:30.52 | nvz | Juul: you obviously misunderstand the function of interfaces |
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| 19:31.11 | EdibleText | foo must have been someone from the nightshift ;) |
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| 19:31.20 | foo | EdibleText: hehe |
| 19:31.23 | Juul | nvz, so maybe it should be in the dhcp client config |
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| 19:31.34 | nvz | Juul: it would be a kernel driver or userland program monitoring the status of the connection. |
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| 19:31.54 | Juul | nvz, ok. i'll go look for one then |
| 19:32.04 | nvz | Juul: the mii is a driver used for many cards to detect link status and capabilities |
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| 19:32.14 | nvz | Juul: you would likely look here to hook in such a feature |
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| 19:32.43 | granden | Which group do I have to be member of to be able to use startx ? |
| 19:32.57 | Juul | nvz, looking at the man pages right now |
| 19:33.42 | Juul | what about a good wifi gui tool for listing and connecting to APs ? there's the gnome wifi applet, but it only shows status. |
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| 19:34.13 | nvz | Juul: look also at the guessnet and whereami packages |
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| 19:34.30 | r3m | debian got the ntfsresizing tools? |
| 19:34.30 | nvz | Juul: such things as you speak of have be implemented for laptops which will be used on multiple networks |
| 19:34.35 | nvz | haha |
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| 19:34.40 | Romano | hi, i'm seeking how to make upnp protocol working behind my debian gateway, anyone could help ? |
| 19:34.42 | Juul | nvz, thanks |
| 19:35.05 | nvz | r3m: debian cannot even write to ntfs in a meaningful way, what makes you think it can resize it? |
| 19:35.07 | granden | Which group do I have to be member of to be able to use startx ? |
| 19:35.21 | nvz | r3m: resizing ntfs is not a good idea in any case. |
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| 19:35.35 | greycat | granden: non sequitur. cat /etc/X11/Xwrapper* |
| 19:35.48 | nvz | not even with the Microsoft Partition utility |
| 19:35.55 | wols- | Romano: http://www.ruwebit.net/article/77 found by a quick googling for "iptables upnp" |
| 19:35.58 | r3m | nvz http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html#xpsp2 see this webpage, at the end you see all distribution that got ntfsresize version 1.9.0 or later |
| 19:36.12 | wols- | nvz: cause it can? and could a long time? |
| 19:36.35 | nvz | wols-: wtf are you talking about? |
| 19:36.38 | granden | greycat it says permission denied when I do that |
| 19:36.40 | Romano | wols-: i didn't knew it was working with iptables, i'm cheking ur link |
| 19:36.54 | wols- | Romano: it isn't, you need a special daemon |
| 19:36.56 | destr0 | so now after I ran dpkg --purge the installs don't seem to be creating the directories they are supposed to. How can I make sure --purge is getting rid of everything installed |
| 19:37.11 | pngwn | /c/c |
| 19:37.27 | Romano | wols-: anyway i think i had already tried this howto and that it didn't worked |
| 19:37.30 | Romano | i'll try, thanks |
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| 19:37.48 | granden | greycat: Shall my user accaunt have permission to that file? or shall it only be root? |
| 19:38.27 | granden | it says I am not authorized to run the Xserver |
| 19:38.42 | nvz | r3m: why would I care about a website that answers the question _YOU_ asked? |
| 19:39.34 | greycat | granden: mine's 600 also. so cat it as root then. |
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| 19:40.16 | granden | okej |
| 19:40.29 | granden | it says allowed_users=console |
| 19:40.30 | r3m | nvz so i really need to take partition magic? :/ |
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| 19:40.40 | granden | is that a group or what is that? |
| 19:40.47 | greycat | granden: it means you must be on a console (/dev/tty*) |
| 19:41.15 | greycat | it also says to read the man page. you could try that. |
| 19:41.18 | stew | greycat: See the Xwrapper.config(5) manual page for more information. |
| 19:41.21 | stew | err |
| 19:41.26 | nvz | r3m: maybe you missed my memo about resizing ntfs not ever being a safe or good idea |
| 19:41.41 | r3m | nvz ok |
| 19:41.52 | nvz | r3m: the only time an fs is ever safe to resize is if its on LVM |
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| 19:42.15 | r3m | what is lvm, sorry im ;? newbie |
| 19:42.18 | granden | are there any easy way to un-install all xfree86 stuff so I can start from the begning ? |
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| 19:42.27 | granden | cause I did got it to work yesterday but did somehting today |
| 19:42.30 | stew | granden: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 19:42.39 | hax | does anyone happen to know where plesk stores its data? it'd make my life much easier |
| 19:42.58 | nvz | r3m: Logical Volume Manager, its a special type of partition that is designed to be resized on the fly and expanded across multiple physical disks |
| 19:43.13 | r3m | ok its designed for that |
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| 19:43.21 | stew | hax: http://plesk.com/support |
| 19:43.26 | r3m | thanks for info nvz |
| 19:43.28 | Thanatermesis | who calls inittab in the boot ¿? |
| 19:43.41 | hax | stew: see, you'd think that'd be helfpul... but there's not a lot of useful data there |
| 19:43.57 | nvz | r3m: partition magic and other commercial utils dont recommend their use without full backups, a defrag, and a prayer |
| 19:44.18 | amaldo | Thanatermesis: /sbin/init ? |
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| 19:44.43 | r3m | nvz last thing, do you got a website to know all motherboard totally supported by linux (all built-in (sound,slot,agp)) |
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| 19:45.15 | PeTeRB | mutt |
| 19:45.17 | PeTeRB | Oops. |
| 19:45.24 | nvz | r3m: no such place other than kernel.org where you read kernel documentation. |
| 19:45.25 | directhex | r3m, that's not a trivial undertaking |
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| 19:45.36 | JohnnyST | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.38 | r3m | hehe |
| 19:46.00 | directhex | r3m, kernel versions, vendor patches, board revisions, etc... gets complex |
| 19:46.04 | karsten | JohnnyST: man rsync |
| 19:46.06 | stew | JohnnyST: why not use rsync? |
| 19:46.08 | dogayonv | Can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of real player version 8? Im trying to listen to a stream that only supports an old player the new one doesnt work with it. |
| 19:46.14 | karsten | Anyone familiar with a panic option to lilo? Not in manpage. |
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| 19:46.18 | JohnnyST | It is only once I need to do this.. |
| 19:46.21 | directhex | r3m, generally, you ask "does foobaord work in linux", and someone says "yes" or "no" |
| 19:46.30 | stew | dogayonv: uhhhh, real.com? |
| 19:46.38 | dogayonv | they dont have the old ones for download |
| 19:46.48 | r3m | directhex i note hehe |
| 19:46.51 | pixelfairy | do joysticks work with 2.4 kernel in sarge? |
| 19:46.55 | karsten | JohnnyST: scp $( find <path> -mtime -<days> ) remote:path |
| 19:47.06 | pixelfairy | ive tried everything out of the kernel docs |
| 19:47.08 | nvz | r3m: sound support is http://www.opensound.com/osshw.html and/or http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ for example |
| 19:47.33 | pixelfairy | and the joystick test program i use with slackware on a 2.6 kernel (SDL) doesnt work |
| 19:47.39 | nvz | r3m: thats the supported hardware lists for the OSS and ALSA sound systems used in the linux kernel |
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| 19:48.06 | nvz | r3m: other types of hardware have their respective projects as well.. scanners you would look at sane-project.org for example |
| 19:48.10 | directhex | r3c4ll_, just say what kind of hardware you want, and you may receive a recommendation |
| 19:48.12 | karsten | OK, panic is a boot parameter, man bootparam(7) |
| 19:49.01 | kesu-ki | k3b or growisofs is definitely having issues with my dvd burner.. meh i'm gonna have to power down for 5 minutes to 'fix' whatever it's done that's slowed the drive down to 3x burn speed... any suggestions on what dvd burner application i should use? |
| 19:49.50 | directhex | kesu-ki, k3b is a front-end to growisofs and other tools. |
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| 19:50.20 | kesu-ki | yes i know, but every time i try to burn with it, it foobars my dvd+-rw so it only burns at 3x speeds |
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| 19:50.30 | kesu-ki | even across a reboot inot windows |
| 19:50.36 | kesu-ki | until i power down completely |
| 19:50.46 | directhex | kesu-ki, so it's a growisofs or kernel issue |
| 19:50.46 | kesu-ki | and let the dvd+-rw reset |
| 19:50.55 | directhex | kesu-ki, try writing a dvd with nerolinux? |
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| 19:51.05 | FieldySnuts | you can probably reset that drive via hdparm |
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| 19:51.16 | kesu-ki | nerolinux says i don't have the sg device ^^; |
| 19:51.25 | FieldySnuts | haha. dumb software. |
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| 19:53.06 | FieldySnuts | particularly the w option to hdparm (READ THE MAN PAGE first, it's saying you shouldn't use that in most cases) |
| 19:53.07 | kesu-ki | how would i reset it via hdparm? |
| 19:53.14 | directhex | hm. cdrecord-prodvd ? |
| 19:53.18 | kesu-ki | ah |
| 19:53.21 | freddy | hello..i need some help,i have a video compressed in a .bin file.. how can i extract it? which tool should i use? |
| 19:53.44 | FieldySnuts | first, do "file blah.bin" and tell us what the output is |
| 19:53.54 | stew | freddy: did it come with a .cue file? |
| 19:54.25 | kesu-ki | well if it's dangeorus i think i'll stick with safe |
| 19:54.31 | freddy | no.. just a .bin file.. that's the weird thing!! |
| 19:54.33 | freddy | =/ |
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| 19:54.42 | greycat | freddy: mplayer can probably play it. |
| 19:54.43 | FieldySnuts | please, do what I suggested... |
| 19:55.00 | directhex | freddy, you haven't given the output from "file blah.bin" yet |
| 19:55.05 | kesu-ki | well it's burning a dvd at 3 x currently |
| 19:55.14 | kesu-ki | it's going to take 12 minutes to complete |
| 19:55.35 | KerPlunk | http://pastebin.com/307970 |
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| 19:55.48 | KerPlunk | Anyone have any idea on the apt-get error/warning message about os-works.com? |
| 19:56.02 | directhex | KerPlunk, why are you using os-works.com? |
| 19:56.13 | KerPlunk | directhex: I dunno |
| 19:56.16 | KerPlunk | I don't need it do I |
| 19:56.23 | greycat | dpkg, no, x.org is <reply> see xorg |
| 19:56.24 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:56.26 | KerPlunk | I used it for sarge...and I just left it there after I upgraded to sid |
| 19:56.29 | directhex | no. it contains an older version of xfce4 than debian, and not much else |
| 19:56.39 | KerPlunk | k, thanks for the info directhex |
| 19:56.41 | KerPlunk | much appreciated |
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| 19:59.35 | greycat | dpkg, no, xorg debs is <reply> As per 2005-07-05's DWN, some pre-unstable debs are now at http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg/ (sarge backports at http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/) |
| 19:59.35 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 20:00.11 | greycat | dpkg, get xorg =~ s#http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909#Ask me about <xorg debs># |
| 20:00.11 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:00.16 | maxman | hello. could someone please tell me the apt-get name for GTK+? I can't find it wither by trying or by using synaptic |
| 20:00.37 | directhex | maxman, what EXACTLY do you need? |
| 20:00.38 | greycat | maxman: libgtk1.2-dev |
| 20:00.49 | greycat | !faq maxman |
| 20:00.50 | dpkg | maxman: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:00.51 | directhex | greycat, isn't that a bit presumptive? |
| 20:01.03 | greycat | directhex: just going by DWN. |
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| 20:01.36 | greycat | directhex: or were you talking about the gtk+ question? |
| 20:01.41 | directhex | greycat, i meant the gtk+ question |
| 20:02.03 | wols- | maxman: apt-cache search libgtk|grep libgtk |
| 20:02.34 | directhex | wols-, since he still hasn't replied as to what he wants, i'm not sure that's productive |
| 20:02.36 | maxman | directhex: Xdialog wants me to have GTK+ 1.2.0+ installed |
| 20:02.46 | greycat | directhex: he'll have to learn that GTK+ and GTK2 are two totally different libraries, if he didn't know already. |
| 20:02.51 | directhex | xdialog? |
| 20:03.03 | greycat | !info xdialog sid |
| 20:03.09 | dpkg | xdialog: (X11 replacement for the text util dialog), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 299 kB, Installed size: 868 kB |
| 20:03.16 | maxman | yes. it's required for klik |
| 20:03.19 | greycat | why are you trying to compile it? |
| 20:03.43 | directhex | !wayc |
| 20:03.47 | directhex | bah |
| 20:03.51 | directhex | !wayc maxman |
| 20:03.52 | dpkg | maxman: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 20:04.13 | maxman | dpkg: what? i'm not comiling anything |
| 20:04.48 | bizkit_ | are there any recovery tools for an uncompressed tarball beside cpio? |
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| 20:05.14 | maxman | directhex: can you help me? |
| 20:05.55 | directhex | maxman, apt-get install xdialog. |
| 20:05.58 | greycat | maxman: can you be less vague? |
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| 20:07.07 | maxman | directhex: i did that already |
| 20:07.24 | maxman | i'm now downloading libgtk2.0.0 |
| 20:07.32 | greycat | because...? |
| 20:07.45 | directhex | what? fuck it, i give up. pepoplr are being such total fucktards it physically hurts |
| 20:07.50 | directhex | !violent stupidity |
| 20:07.50 | dpkg | it has been said that violent stupidity is idiocy so strong, so overwhelmingly stupid, that it reaches out from your IRC client and punches you in the face |
| 20:07.52 | greycat | !comfort directhex |
| 20:07.53 | dpkg | There, there, directhex. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:08.09 | shingouz | directhex: i think you need to install some caffeine ;) |
| 20:08.10 | maxman | greycat: ecause xdialog wants me to have it installed |
| 20:08.19 | greycat | maxman: apt-get install xdialog |
| 20:08.22 | greycat | maxman: THAT IS ALL. |
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| 20:08.36 | greycat | if xdialog depends on libfucker it will pull in libfucker |
| 20:08.37 | doleyb | maxman: why do you think xdialog wants that? how is it complaining to you? |
| 20:08.41 | maxman | greycat: i did that already |
| 20:08.49 | greycat | maxman: then WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? |
| 20:09.12 | raf256__ | !smite raf256's ISP |
| 20:09.22 | directhex | greycat, he'll be trying to dowenload a random binary of v2.1.2 from the website, which is the gtk2 version, at a guess |
| 20:09.45 | ircdevil | if i point my browser to localhost - shorewall drops the connection attempt. how do i allow that? |
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| 20:10.08 | directhex | i really give up. i'm taking a month off from #debian. see you all in august. i can still bug & be bugged in other channels those who may want me are aware of |
| 20:10.44 | shingouz | directhex: have a good summer in that case. if you venture outside, do not burst into flames |
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| 20:11.02 | directhex | i'm off on holiday on friday as it happens |
| 20:11.11 | shingouz | holidays are good |
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| 20:11.23 | Gnea | yeah they are |
| 20:11.44 | shingouz | remains to be seen how empty the channel will be during debconf |
| 20:11.55 | foo | greycat: I fixed it so I ran that command.. I did dpkg-reconfigure, but that didn't seem to work. |
| 20:12.12 | Gnea | maxman: try apt-cache search libgtk |
| 20:12.22 | foo | greycat: Hmm, it's VESA .. no screens found. |
| 20:12.45 | foo | greycat: I selected ati for the module during that configuration utility, is vesa another module? Maybe it didn't work right. |
| 20:12.55 | granden | When I try to start xorg it says "errors from xkbcomp not fatal to the X server" Why is that? |
| 20:12.56 | shingouz | !tell Foo about no screens found |
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| 20:13.02 | valdyn | ircdevil: what are you really doing? shorewall does not block fw to fw traffic by default ( as far as i can see ) |
| 20:13.03 | suzzi | hello all |
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| 20:13.23 | maxman | Gnea: have you ever inatalled klik? |
| 20:13.33 | shingouz | wtf is kilk |
| 20:13.39 | shingouz | klik even |
| 20:14.01 | maxman | shingouz: http://klik.atekon.de/docs/ |
| 20:14.48 | nvz | damn looks like I am stuck again. this is hopefully the last mission of GTA-SA its long and hard.. got to fight my way into the place, kill 50 people, then fight my way back out while its on fire, then I have to chase down a cop that is in a firetruck, then I have to catch someone falling off the firetruck.. bah.. its annoying |
| 20:14.48 | valdyn | foo: look for a real error message, no screens found isnt the one. |
| 20:14.49 | shingouz | maxman: eugh. what is wrong with apt-get is beyond me |
| 20:15.11 | valdyn | !tell foo about noscreensfound |
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| 20:15.23 | PeTeRB | nvz: Fun. |
| 20:15.54 | maxman | shingouz: i was trying to wget klik.atekon.de/client/install -O -|sh |
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| 20:15.57 | m0th | re |
| 20:15.59 | ircdevil | valdyn: i am testing my document root setup. however, pointing my browser to localhost gets connection refused |
| 20:16.13 | nvz | PeTeRB: its not fun. takes forever to fight in and out of there, then to chase the fire truck all over los santos, only to have sweet bounce off my car and die and fail the mission |
| 20:16.16 | valdyn | maxman: its sick sick sick to try to use unofficial package managers in debian ( imo ) |
| 20:16.27 | nvz | PeTeRB: and I have a feeling if I had caught him, that wouldnt have been the end of it anyhow |
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| 20:16.54 | PeTeRB | nvz: No spoilers please :P |
| 20:16.55 | shingouz | maxman: i do not care. there are enough package managers in debian as it is. besides something clickable makes my eyes water |
| 20:16.58 | valdyn | ircdevil: 'telnet localhost 80' |
| 20:17.30 | maxman | shingouz: and i got the following message from Xdialog: Error initializing the GUI\n Do you run under X11 with GTK+ v1.2.0+ |
| 20:17.39 | maxman | +? |
| 20:17.57 | greycat | maxman: are you in X? as the user who started the X server? or are you su'ed to root> |
| 20:18.00 | ircdevil | valdyn: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 20:18.06 | nvz | the worst part of it all is I am next to broke.. scroungin up money to buy enough fire power to even do the mission in the first place |
| 20:18.12 | doleyb | maxman: run xclock to check your $DISPLAY works. |
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| 20:18.20 | valdyn | ircdevil: now: '/etc/init.d/shorewall stop', then try again. |
| 20:18.24 | shingouz | maxman: i have no idea. just apt-get install xdialog and you should be done with it if you really want to screw up your system with something like klik |
| 20:18.26 | maxman | shingouz: the klik website says thet i have to install it with wget |
| 20:18.37 | shingouz | maxman: do i look like i care? |
| 20:18.39 | FieldySnuts | since when is wget an installer |
| 20:18.39 | maxman | shingouz: i'm running Fluxbox |
| 20:18.46 | FieldySnuts | ~lart maxman |
| 20:18.48 | greycat | maxman: I still think you're su'ed to root. |
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| 20:19.22 | heyhey | does anyone know of a way to dump the frame buffer through the CLI? |
| 20:19.28 | maxman | greycat: es, i am |
| 20:19.37 | ircdevil | valdyn: well, still refused - then i guess its not a shorwall problem ;oP |
| 20:19.39 | greycat | !lart maxman |
| 20:19.40 | maxman | greycat: ecause i have to install it |
| 20:19.42 | valdyn | heyhey: like taking a snapshot? |
| 20:19.52 | heyhey | valdyn: yeah |
| 20:19.58 | FieldySnuts | maxman: otherwise not the debian way. go bother whoever makes that, not us |
| 20:19.59 | parsec__ | how do I queue an entire directory with lftp? |
| 20:20.01 | maxman | greycat: it's not good ro be root to install things? |
| 20:20.08 | maxman | *to |
| 20:20.09 | valdyn | ircdevil: right, so try '/etc/init.d/apache(2) restart' and look at its logfile(s) |
| 20:20.27 | valdyn | heyhey: cat /dev/fb0 > screenshot |
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| 20:20.38 | shingouz | maxman: apt-get install xdialog. |
| 20:20.41 | shingouz | ffs... |
| 20:20.50 | valdyn | heyhey: for further processing i cant help you, google might. |
| 20:20.52 | greycat | maxman: YOU CANNOT START THE X SERVER AS USER #1 AND THEN RUN X CLIENTS AS USER #2 WITHOUT TAKING SPECIAL STEPS. |
| 20:20.58 | greycat | maxman: is that clear enough now? |
| 20:21.09 | stew | !tell maxman about run stuff as root |
| 20:21.10 | heyhey | valdyn: ok, im guessing that would require a driver that gave access to the fb then? |
| 20:21.28 | bykte | hey do i need to have web interface to install mrtg? |
| 20:21.32 | maxman | greycat: I STARTED XSERVER AS A USER THEN INSTALLED klik AS ROOT |
| 20:21.35 | valdyn | heyhey: either you have a framebuffer running or you dont. What else is it you want? |
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| 20:21.41 | greycat | maxman: and then forgot to exit back to your user to run it. |
| 20:21.42 | valdyn | heyhey: take a shot of X ? |
| 20:21.43 | FieldySnuts | please, +q him already. |
| 20:21.52 | valdyn | heyhey: or just the console? |
| 20:22.06 | ircdevil | valdyn: nothing in syslog, error.log or access.log after apache restart |
| 20:22.08 | heyhey | valdyn: yeah, i dont have a framebuffer running then, yeah i want a screen shot of x, i tryed xwd, but it will only run from within X, i need to do it from the CLI |
| 20:22.46 | stew | heyhey: import from imagemagick |
| 20:22.47 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.47 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.47 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.50 | valdyn | heyhey: from the cli is fine, just set you $DISPLAY |
| 20:22.53 | maxman | greycat: ... |
| 20:23.18 | heyhey | valdyn: i set the DISPLAY, but i got xlib errors about no protocol being specified |
| 20:23.25 | maxman | greycat: ok, i su'ed back to 'user' |
| 20:23.35 | stew | su'ed back? |
| 20:23.38 | maxman | greycat: still klik doesn't run |
| 20:23.43 | LSorensen | maxman: su will loose the env usually, and hence X won't work |
| 20:23.52 | shingouz | maxman: you exit the su |
| 20:23.57 | foo | Alright, I checked the XFree86 log, and I'm getting this: EE: VESA(0): No matching modes. EE Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 20:24.00 | foo | hmm |
| 20:24.02 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 20:24.20 | shingouz | foo: /meg dpkg drxx |
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| 20:24.31 | heyhey | valdyn: imagemagick looks promising |
| 20:24.38 | shingouz | foo: you need to ceroncigure your monitor, wrong rates on it |
| 20:24.47 | shingouz | heyhey: scrot is pretty cool too |
| 20:24.56 | shingouz | reconfigure even |
| 20:25.19 | foo | shingouz: hmm, I did that, already, a few times. Hmm. I did leave the BusID for the video card blank, I wonder if that's it. It's integrated, I didn't know if it was PCI: or what |
| 20:25.26 | shingouz | maxman: you make it too complicated. just use apt-get to install the stuff and forget about the goofy klik |
| 20:25.29 | foo | shingouz: Like, refresh rates? |
| 20:25.41 | shingouz | foo: yes. refresh rates |
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| 20:25.56 | PeTeRB | heyhey: How about xwd -root -display :0 ? |
| 20:25.57 | maxman | shingouz: i just wanted to try it out |
| 20:26.06 | heyhey | shingouz: nice, that looks good as well |
| 20:26.22 | foo | shingouz: Could I leave the BusID blank, or should I be putting that? |
| 20:26.27 | heyhey | PeTeRB: that gave me xlib errors about no protocol being specified |
| 20:26.36 | valdyn | heyhey: xwd -display :0 -root -out screenshot.file works, but not if you try as a different user. |
| 20:26.54 | FieldySnuts | #define CURRENT_CLUELEV 0 |
| 20:26.54 | shingouz | maxman: you are a noob on debian. do not make it too complicated by installig stuff from here and there. most of us here still use apt to install the stuff without any special packages from $DEITY knows where |
| 20:26.59 | MichelAnk | hello all people |
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| 20:27.12 | stew | warning redundant #define |
| 20:27.13 | shingouz | foo:_ busid can be left blank if you have only one video card in the box |
| 20:27.14 | FieldySnuts | my point was he's not even doing it the debian way, so don't ask us for help |
| 20:27.20 | FieldySnuts | stew: nice |
| 20:27.34 | FieldySnuts | ~clue me |
| 20:27.34 | apt | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for fieldysnuts "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 20:27.39 | foo | shingouz: Gocha. Hmm, I'll enter those refresh rates, if you think that's what it is. |
| 20:27.51 | maxman | shingouz: the klik website says "Thanks to debian for the software compilation and packaging." |
| 20:27.54 | shingouz | foo: i am not sure but that is where i wuold start |
| 20:28.02 | maxman | shingouz: so, there must e debian packages |
| 20:28.06 | maxman | *be |
| 20:28.12 | shingouz | maxman: can you find the klik on the debian repositories? |
| 20:28.18 | foo | shingouz: I took the hard drive from another system and put it in a new box, and then got this error... same monitor, though. Kinda strange |
| 20:28.30 | shingouz | foo: different card |
| 20:28.32 | heyhey | valdyn: hmm, that worked when i logged strait in to the user |
| 20:28.35 | maxman | shingouz: no, haven't found them yet |
| 20:28.37 | foo | shingouz: Oh, duh. heh |
| 20:28.48 | valdyn | heyhey: nice |
| 20:28.50 | shingouz | maxman: they are not there. /msg dpkg search |
| 20:28.58 | destr0 | anyone else here using nagios? I installed nagios-mysql, who the hell is supposed to create the database tables for the program? |
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| 20:29.25 | stew | destr0: check /usr/share/doc/nagios-mysql/* |
| 20:29.30 | shingouz | maxman: use apt to install shit on the box. install from non-debian repos (or source) when you have a clue. or do the non-debian installs on your own |
| 20:30.01 | heyhey | valdyn: thanks for you help, |
| 20:30.26 | granden | My normal user account dont have rights to start x what shall I do? |
| 20:30.49 | Morti | granden: PANIC |
| 20:30.49 | stew | granden: man Xwrapper.config |
| 20:30.49 | shingouz | granden: what version of debian you have there? |
| 20:31.04 | granden | sid, and its xorg that isnt starting |
| 20:31.13 | shingouz | <sigh> |
| 20:31.18 | greycat | !xorg |
| 20:31.18 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 20:31.24 | shingouz | !sid faq |
| 20:31.24 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 20:31.40 | greycat | !get xorg |
| 20:31.41 | dpkg | i guess get xorg is Xorg is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. Ask me about <xorg debs> - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled. Don't bother. No I don't notice any slowdown. You just need a good graphics card with OpenGL. |
| 20:32.04 | streuner | !xorg debs |
| 20:32.05 | dpkg | As per 2005-07-05's DWN, some pre-unstable debs are now at http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg/ (sarge backports at http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/) |
| 20:32.06 | FieldySnuts | the Great Xorg influx has begun, by that i mean people are using it and will have to be told two thousand times each that we don't support it yet |
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| 20:32.25 | FieldySnuts | this could get a lot more annoying than knoppix or even the ubuntu annoyances |
| 20:32.27 | streuner | hm, gravity's debs works fine for me |
| 20:32.37 | granden | ok |
| 20:32.38 | greycat | May I ask a really stupid question? WHY are people using it? What does it do that XFree86 doesn't? |
| 20:32.39 | bykte | does MRTG checks bandwidth for website or the total server? |
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| 20:32.59 | FieldySnuts | greycat: makes them feel special, they can also come here and cause us pain |
| 20:33.31 | greycat | the only reason I've seen so far is the horrible new XFree86 license. |
| 20:33.48 | streuner | greycat: well, there was no need to use it at all, but i want to use it... |
| 20:33.50 | foo | shingouz: Hmm, I set advanced for configuration when asked, and it never asked about refresh rates |
| 20:33.52 | greycat | but the people who are coming here with problems don't strike me as the proactively legal type. |
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| 20:34.16 | shingouz | foo: now that is odd |
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| 20:34.20 | FieldySnuts | do a preemptive topic change. "xorg NOT supported here yet", but at the same time i find myself thinking "yeah, they read topics, not" |
| 20:34.23 | maxman | Dear $ALL_USERS I'm sorry for having wasted your time. I will now use apt to install shit on the box. Install from non-debian repos (or source) when I have a clue. Or do the non-debian installs on my own |
| 20:34.28 | FieldySnuts | ok |
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| 20:34.42 | shingouz | !beer maxman |
| 20:35.01 | FieldySnuts | is it always La Maudite now? or is it just got good taste lately? |
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| 20:35.15 | shingouz | maxman: the point is, learn to walk before you try to run. i know it is painful, i still have the scars |
| 20:35.21 | kesu-ki | most people are stupid ^^ i'm willing to bet most to the people who ask stupid questions can't even get past the cd-key screen to install windows. |
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| 20:35.50 | FieldySnuts | kesu-ki: it's really not that, it's the complete unwillingness to learn how to do something on your own. or to read. or anything other than "give me the fuscking answer" |
| 20:36.01 | foo | shingouz: hmm, I wonder if I can boot into knoppix and grab the Xfree file from that |
| 20:36.09 | kesu-ki | ah yeah, well people are lazy too |
| 20:36.13 | streuner | greycat: and those debs are just great, great work from those people - painless migration and no problems at all here, i guess they are soon in sid |
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| 20:36.28 | maxman | shingouz: i already have scars from scratching the windows wounds |
| 20:36.30 | shingouz | foo: not sure what knoppix uses there days, could be xorg too |
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| 20:36.43 | foo | Actually, yeah, I think your right. |
| 20:37.10 | shingouz | maxman: heh. you'll learn, don't worry. just take it easy with the specials and keep the system simple when you are learning. |
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| 20:37.34 | streuner | shingouz: they are orientated in sid, as long as sid doesn't use x.org they use xfree86 ... |
| 20:38.02 | foo | shingouz: Hmm, any more ideas? http://www.superwarehouse.com/IBM_G97_Black_19_CRT_Monitor/66344AN/ps/32276 - that's the monitor I have, I don't see refresh rates there either. hmm |
| 20:38.07 | shingouz | streuner: yeah... and now if you guys promise not to tell mu gf, i'll sneak off to have a smoke |
| 20:38.13 | bykte | hi, how do i use MRTG? what options? |
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| 20:38.43 | Pryon | 42 |
| 20:38.49 | shingouz | foo: try griffin technologies or the IBM support site |
| 20:38.53 | greycat | don't forget the RTFM option |
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| 20:39.29 | Draconicus | I'm going to install Debian on this little creation of mine, The Tandy 1001 ATX: www.glitchworld.com/Tandy-ATX |
| 20:39.33 | Draconicus | err |
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| 20:39.42 | Draconicus | www.glitchworld.com/pics/Tandy-ATX |
| 20:39.50 | Draconicus | Wish me luck. |
| 20:39.50 | maxman | shingouz: another questing, if you have time |
| 20:39.57 | maxman | *question |
| 20:39.58 | necrite | hi.. there is any channel about vpn or something? |
| 20:40.25 | shingouz | maxman: try it. on the channel, maybe i am not the correct person to answer it |
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| 20:40.45 | greycat | !bless Draconicus |
| 20:40.45 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Draconicus, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 20:40.47 | maxman | shingouz: i know, this is a "special", but it's important |
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| 20:41.07 | maxman | shingouz: how go i mound Ctrl on Caps Lock? |
| 20:41.17 | maxman | *do |
| 20:41.33 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 20:41.52 | serkan | Selam, aranizda Turkce bilen var mi? |
| 20:42.05 | FieldySnuts | yes. |
| 20:42.08 | shingouz | maxman: augh... just ask on the channel, do not direct it to someone particular. i need a smoke /me wanders off before his gf notices anything |
| 20:42.12 | greycat | !tr |
| 20:42.12 | dpkg | trke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 20:42.32 | greycat | huh... he's already *in* it |
| 20:42.57 | john_doe | I'm establishing a mail server for some who have had a windows server doing it. I need a converting tool from msg to mbox format. Do you know one? |
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| 20:43.39 | maxman | does anyone know how i can map the Ctrl key on the Caps Lock key? |
| 20:43.41 | Draconicus | greycat: Why is it stupid? It's just an ATX system in a Tandy case. |
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| 20:43.58 | greycat | Draconicus: just intended to be a funny factoid, nothing more |
| 20:44.02 | Draconicus | Ah. |
| 20:44.04 | Draconicus | Alrighty. |
| 20:44.09 | Draconicus | Well, off I go. |
| 20:44.19 | skeel | I have a dual 3.2 ghz em64t system. I want to use a 2.6 kernel. Should I be going for kernel-image-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp? |
| 20:44.29 | greycat | john_doe: why on earth would you use mbox format on a new mail server? |
| 20:44.32 | stew | maxman: put Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" in the InputDevice section of XF86Config-4 |
| 20:44.50 | stew | maxman: or ctrl:swapcaps if you want to just swap the two |
| 20:44.55 | Draconicus | apt-get build-dep x-free-86 and x-server-86 should cover everything until I can get synaptic, right? I'm lazy as hell, and I'd like to avoid installing extra libraries until I need them. |
| 20:45.08 | john_doe | greycat: oh, I thought that would be it. what should I use? |
| 20:45.17 | greycat | !maildir |
| 20:45.18 | dpkg | hmm... maildir is a one-message-per-file mailbox format used by qmail and supported by mutt; see http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html or k-rad, or runs you out of inodes when you have more than 60,000 mails, or Linux doesn't have 16-bit inode numbers, duh DJB's one good idea. supported by postfix, exim etc. and several final delivery / filtering programs such as maildrop and procmail as well as imap servers including courier-imap or cyrus. |
| 20:45.39 | stew | maxman: you can specify that option if you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86; if you edit that file by hand make sure to read the comment at the top about md5sum |
| 20:45.47 | greycat | dpkg, maildir =~ s/ or cyrus/, dovecot or cyrus/ |
| 20:45.47 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:45.51 | skeel | Also, my main harddrive is detected as secondary master. When using the default kernel of 3.1 stable (2.4.27-2-686) everything boots just fine, but after a rebot after apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp, I get a kernel panic... any suggestions? |
| 20:46.02 | karsten | Kernel build question. If I copy a stock config file from say /boot/config-(uname -r) to /usr/src/linux/.config, and am using make-kpkg, will I be prompted for anything or not? |
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| 20:46.08 | maxman | stew: thanks, i'll try |
| 20:46.31 | Draconicus | skeel: Are your IDE cables plugged into the wrong ports? :) |
| 20:46.32 | darkskiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.35 | greycat | dpkg, maildir =~ s/maildir is/<reply>maildir is/ |
| 20:46.35 | dpkg | greycat: that doesn't contain 'maildir is' |
| 20:46.41 | tarzeau | karsten: you want make oldconfig maybe? |
| 20:46.51 | greycat | dpkg, maildir =~ s/a one-mess/<reply>a one-mess/ |
| 20:46.51 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:47.01 | skeel | Draconicus: Its a 10k rpm SATA disk, but the mainboard detects it as an IDE disk for compability |
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| 20:47.03 | Draconicus | karsten: If there's new stuff, of course you will. |
| 20:47.06 | tarzeau | karsten: no you shouldn't be after that for make-kpkg, just did that today for kernel_image |
| 20:47.11 | karsten | tarzeau: Specs on that? |
| 20:47.22 | tarzeau | karsten: can you add a verb? |
| 20:47.28 | necrite | i am try to make one vpn with racoon & and ipsec .. kernel 2.6.. when i start the "setkey" sctipt i get " INFO: unsupported PF_KEY message REGISTER" in the racoon log |
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| 20:47.40 | karsten | tarzeau: Got specs on 'make oldconfig'? Docs, say? |
| 20:47.42 | necrite | any idea? |
| 20:47.47 | karsten | tarzeau: This sentence verbs good. |
| 20:47.47 | skeel | Draconicus: anyway... my main problem is not the drive (works just fine).. its kernel panic... something about not being able to find console |
| 20:47.50 | tarzeau | karsten: put your .config and say make oldconfig |
| 20:47.56 | wols- | karsten: the proper way is to copy the .config as you said, then run "make oldconfig" and only then make-kpkg |
| 20:48.00 | tarzeau | karsten: RTFM |
| 20:48.04 | karsten | tarzeau: ...or you could say: Karsten verb that sentence. |
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| 20:48.15 | karsten | tarzeau: Which FM? |
| 20:48.19 | tarzeau | karsten: linux ? |
| 20:48.43 | streuner | greycat: besides, nobse did some backports for sarge (xorg) |
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| 20:49.05 | karsten | tarzeau: 'man linux' == user mode linux. |
| 20:49.11 | greycat | streuner: they're in the "get xorgs" factoid... |
| 20:49.16 | greycat | or maybe the other one, xorg debs. |
| 20:49.23 | karsten | Draconicus: I'm trying to help someone apply the vserver patch. |
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| 20:49.27 | tarzeau | karsten: the linux kernel documentation is in a directory called linux/Documentation |
| 20:49.34 | skeel | could I try running the 2.6 686-smp kernel on a dual xeon system?... and does it matter if I have HyperThreading enabled or not? |
| 20:49.40 | greycat | no, it's just a directory called Documentation |
| 20:49.49 | wols- | skeel: you can do that, yes |
| 20:50.04 | streuner | dpkg, forget xorg sarge |
| 20:50.04 | dpkg | i forgot xorg sarge, streuner |
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| 20:50.43 | snowshelbi_ | hi, i am trying to install superkaramba but when doing apt-get install superkaramba it doesnt find it :s |
| 20:50.45 | streuner | !factinfo xorg debs |
| 20:50.45 | dpkg | xorg debs -- last modified 51m 9s ago by greycat!rfc1413@wooledge.org; it has been requested 2 times, last by streuner, 58s ago. |
| 20:50.50 | streuner | hm |
| 20:50.56 | karsten | !tell snowshelbi_ about search |
| 20:51.11 | wols- | snowshelbi_: apt-cache search karamba |
| 20:51.18 | snowshelbi_ | when looking up on debian,org superkaramba is listed as unstable, so i tried adding unstable to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:51.43 | tarzeau | streuner: i think i'll also make t-shirts saying "DEBIAN FIND ICH AUCH SCHEISSE. LOL" |
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| 20:52.42 | streuner | tarzeau: do you have respect for anything at all? :-) |
| 20:52.46 | keeg_ | {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 20:52.46 | [machlne] | GNAA would like to say fuck you to: Phated LSorensen helix karsten #gentoo |
| 20:52.46 | [machlne] | !ops {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 20:52.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 20:53.00 | tarzeau | streuner: yes i do |
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| 20:53.14 | vladuz976_ | what is the big difference between rpms and apt-get packages? |
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| 20:53.34 | LoRez | mentor: don't bother |
| 20:53.38 | wols- | vladuz976_: you are asking about apples and pears. one hasn't to do anything with the other |
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| 20:53.55 | vladuz976_ | wols-, then yum and apt-get |
| 20:54.07 | LoRez | I klined that POS |
| 20:54.16 | tarzeau | vladuz976_: nobody can make official rpm packages |
| 20:54.22 | tarzeau | vladuz976_: anyone can make official debian packages |
| 20:54.27 | shingouz | i kinda feel bad about those spamming fucktards. seriously, think how little life *they* have to have |
| 20:54.33 | vladuz976_ | tarheelcox1, how does that affect the user? |
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| 20:54.40 | tarzeau | vladuz976_: debian packages are built for more archs |
| 20:54.45 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 20:54.45 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 20:54.53 | jazzmanss | how can I forward sound using alsa (or not using alsa) over ssh on an internal network? |
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| 20:55.00 | karsten | wols-: make oldconfig seems to be helping. |
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| 20:55.25 | tarzeau | vladuz976_: what do you really want to know? |
| 20:55.27 | karsten | jazzmanss: Good question. IMO sound ought to be incorporated into X. |
| 20:55.28 | mngrif | jazzmanss: look into NAS and ssh tunneling.. check out ESD instead of NAS too |
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| 20:56.00 | vladuz976_ | tarzeau, why everybody makes such a big deal out of dpkg and disses rmps |
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| 20:56.13 | mngrif | karsten: i agree, but that would be just like using a sound server (just more standardized) |
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| 20:56.31 | jazzmanss | thanks karsten, and mngrif, i'm looking up NAS and ESD. |
| 20:56.37 | tarzeau | vladuz976_: because they have cow powers, which rpm doesn't |
| 20:56.41 | shingouz | vladuz976_: have you used debs or are you running a plain rpm shop? |
| 20:56.43 | tarzeau | vladuz976_: yum even |
| 20:56.46 | mngrif | wtf does that mean?!?! |
| 20:56.47 | tarzeau | vladuz976_: oh please stop trolliong |
| 20:56.52 | karsten | dpkg: why debian is also http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks |
| 20:56.52 | dpkg | karsten: what are you talking about? |
| 20:56.57 | streuner | tarzeau: That isn't funny, be more funnier and creative. |
| 20:56.57 | tarzeau | vladuz976_: GO USE RPM, BUT DON?T BOTHER US |
| 20:56.59 | FieldySnuts | if you've worked with rpms especially in a production environment, you learn to hate em fast |
| 20:57.00 | vladuz976_ | tarzeau, yum |
| 20:57.08 | skeel | Ok.. I'll give 686-smp a try |
| 20:57.14 | tarzeau | streuner: www.linuks.mine.nu/pod.jpg |
| 20:57.15 | skeel | see if that gets me a kernel panic as well |
| 20:57.20 | vladuz976_ | tarzeau, calm down, i am just asking |
| 20:57.20 | valdyn | vladuz976_: you clearly havent understood debian if you think the difference is about dpkg vs rpm. |
| 20:57.21 | tarzeau | .o(FUCK OFF) |
| 20:57.25 | skeel | anything I should be doing after installing a kernel-image? |
| 20:57.26 | karsten | dpkg: you suck |
| 20:57.26 | dpkg | Dream on, karsten. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 20:57.26 | FieldySnuts | vladuz976_: we could give a shit less about rpm, because debian doesn't use them |
| 20:57.31 | FieldySnuts | hah! |
| 20:57.32 | granden | why does rpm suck so much I have understand that they should eb like the deb packages, what is the difference? |
| 20:57.35 | streuner | tarzeau: yeah :-)) |
| 20:57.38 | vladuz976_ | valdyn, that was not my question |
| 20:57.43 | skeel | update console/gcc/whatever to avoid a non-functioning system? |
| 20:57.45 | FieldySnuts | wtf, first gn_aa idiots then these trolls |
| 20:57.47 | streuner | tarzeau: that was funny :-) |
| 20:57.50 | valdyn | granden: see what i said to vladuz976_ |
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| 20:57.53 | tarzeau | streuner: LOL ;) |
| 20:57.57 | granden | nope |
| 20:58.18 | tarzeau | skeel: install GRUB |
| 20:58.24 | karsten | mngrif: Usually users want to tie sound to video output. I have to admit I'm not following the soundserver stuff closely, but coupling (or offering the ability to) would solve a *lot* of issues. |
| 20:58.43 | vladuz976_ | you guys are hardcore. did that question hurt so much? |
| 20:58.56 | mngrif | karsten: yeah, it would, but it would (again like soundservers) screw over us people who's soundcards can easily handle multiple sound streams |
| 20:59.04 | karsten | vladuz976_: it's just a very old, very tiresome question. |
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| 20:59.14 | FieldySnuts | jesus drop it already |
| 20:59.21 | vladuz976_ | karsten, ok then, i apologize |
| 20:59.25 | skeel | tarzeau: yeh, I did an update-grub... should be working... but I did the same thing last time as well |
| 20:59.29 | karsten | mngrif: Well, one option is to be able to turn it off ;-) |
| 20:59.55 | skeel | Ill try an apt-get build-dep kernel-2.6.8-2-686-smp so I have any possible dependencies as well |
| 21:00.03 | karsten | vladuz976_: Read Manoj's paper (Why Debian). It sums the situation up well. |
| 21:00.10 | vladuz976_ | karsten, ok |
| 21:00.27 | karsten | vladuz976_: For technical diffs, Joey Hess has a packaging system comparison chart. The raw abilities of rpm and deb are pretty close. |
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| 21:01.50 | tarheelcox1 | I just installed hostap-source using aptitude and now I want to compile... where did it install? |
| 21:01.55 | skeel | oh well, ill give it a try |
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| 21:02.01 | tarzeau | tarheelcox1: ./ |
| 21:02.02 | skeel | see you later if everything works :) |
| 21:02.08 | tarzeau | tarheelcox1: or /usr/src |
| 21:02.14 | tarheelcox1 | tarzeau |
| 21:02.16 | tarheelcox1 | thanks |
| 21:02.23 | tarheelcox1 | err |
| 21:02.27 | tarheelcox1 | tarzeau: thanks |
| 21:02.34 | tarzeau | tarheelcox1: otherwise use dpkg -L pkg |
| 21:02.34 | karsten | vladuz976_: The short answer is Debian Policy |
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| 21:02.55 | fhffhqvb | These two strings walk into a bar and sit down. The bartender says, "So what'll it be?" The first string says, "I think I'll have a beer quag fulk boorg jdk^CjfdLk jk3s d#f67howe%^U r89nvy~~owmc63^Dz x.xvcu" "Please excuse my friend," the second string says, "He isn't null-terminated." |
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| 21:03.17 | netd | i need help located new_tunnel.o |
| 21:03.23 | tarzeau | fhffhqvb: heh a c joke |
| 21:03.33 | netd | i can not seem to find it, and im having a problem setting up this gre tunnel |
| 21:03.36 | netd | can somone help me |
| 21:03.38 | fhffhqvb | tarzeau: it works for other programming languages too. |
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| 21:04.03 | tarzeau | fhffhqvb: in pascal they are not null terminated ;) |
| 21:04.08 | jc-denton | is apt-listbugs broken or so? |
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| 21:04.14 | greycat | !btssmite jc-denton |
| 21:04.17 | tarzeau | !topicbadger jc-denton |
| 21:04.18 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that jc-denton didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 21:04.27 | tealeef | {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 21:04.27 | tealeef | GNAA would like to say fuck you to: Phated LSorensen helix karsten #gentoo |
| 21:04.27 | tealeef | !ops {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 21:04.27 | tarzeau | greycat: you've only waited for it ;) |
| 21:04.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 21:04.30 | fhffhqvb | tarzeau: you can have an array of char |
| 21:04.30 | jc-denton | hehe |
| 21:04.31 | [machlne] | @ops {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 21:04.33 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 21:04.55 | tarzeau | netd: find in /usr/lib , if it's not built as a module or at all, it's not there |
| 21:05.10 | tarzeau | GNAA! GNAA! |
| 21:05.17 | FieldySnuts | die |
| 21:05.18 | LoRez | /kspam tarzeau |
| 21:05.21 | jc-denton | i did not read anything about apt-listbugs at topic |
| 21:05.31 | greycat | jc-denton: I think the reference was "READ THE BTS |
| 21:05.32 | greycat | " |
| 21:05.41 | jc-denton | heh |
| 21:05.42 | streuner | tarzeau: what the hell is wrong with you? |
| 21:05.44 | jc-denton | ok |
| 21:05.46 | greycat | oops, s/THE // |
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| 21:05.55 | tarzeau | streuner: nothing? |
| 21:05.57 | netd | tarzeau its not there, and im runnign 2.4.xx |
| 21:06.02 | FieldySnuts | ~gnaasmite tarzeau |
| 21:06.08 | FieldySnuts | no, i won't create that. |
| 21:06.16 | tarzeau | netd: well it's not there -- go figure. make it there. know about .config and config* in /boot ? |
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| 21:06.38 | skeel | hey... got the following error when trying to boot a 2.6 smp kernel: |
| 21:06.47 | skeel | pivo_root: No such file or directory |
| 21:06.54 | jc-denton | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=273565 |
| 21:06.56 | jc-denton | hrmm |
| 21:06.59 | netd | tarzeau no i do not understand what you mean |
| 21:07.01 | skeel | and /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
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| 21:07.12 | skeel | kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 21:07.13 | jc-denton | that bug is from 26 Sep 2004 |
| 21:07.19 | tarzeau | netd: you can build a kernel? |
| 21:07.22 | netd | yes |
| 21:07.23 | skeel | could someone please google it for me? |
| 21:07.28 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 21:07.28 | paster | "snowy`" at 64.229.140.185 pasted "Package superkaramba is not av" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/293 |
| 21:07.32 | tarzeau | netd: the configuration of linux kernels is in .config files? |
| 21:07.39 | stew | skeel: google it for yourself |
| 21:07.48 | skeel | stew: dont have any browser :) |
| 21:07.49 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:07.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 21:07.55 | jc-denton | lol skeel |
| 21:08.00 | stew | skeel: install one |
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| 21:08.06 | streuner | Who unbanned 'paster' - those people are still here.... |
| 21:08.06 | tarzeau | skeel: apt-get install links2 |
| 21:08.11 | netd | tarzeau what do i need to enable to get this to be isntaleld if i recompile the Kerrnal |
| 21:08.19 | tarzeau | !KERNAL |
| 21:08.20 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 21:08.38 | snowy` | i still got no clue where to get superkaramba from...it says it might be available from another source but how do i found out which? |
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| 21:09.28 | stew | snowy`: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:09.28 | wols- | snowy`: sid hasit |
| 21:09.51 | snowy` | sarge |
| 21:09.58 | netd | How do i recompile hte kernal and get new_tunnel.o module installed |
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| 21:10.15 | tarzeau | netd: did you download the kernel source already? |
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| 21:10.19 | snowy` | wols-, what's sid? |
| 21:10.29 | netd | tarzeau yes |
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| 21:10.44 | shingouz | !tell snowy` about sid faq |
| 21:10.46 | John6000 | o-k |
| 21:10.46 | tarzeau | netd: you know make menuconfig ? |
| 21:10.48 | wols- | netd: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 21:10.49 | streuner | snowy`: if you don't know, nevermind then... |
| 21:10.53 | sifflollie | {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 21:10.53 | sifflollie | GNAA would like to say fuck you to: Phated LSorensen helix karsten #gentoo |
| 21:10.53 | sifflollie | !ops {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 21:10.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 21:10.57 | FeildySnuts | @ops {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 21:10.59 | John6000 | i usr make xconfig |
| 21:10.59 | FeildySnuts | ~say {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 21:11.00 | apt | {G}{N}{A}{A} - Gregory Wooledge (greycat) is a member of the GNAA. You should be, too! Give him a call, and ask how you can join the GNAA today: 1(440)288-8135 . You may also visit us at http://www.gnaa.us/ and http://jews.didwtc.com/ |
| 21:11.15 | John6000 | i use make xconfig |
| 21:11.27 | tarzeau | jc-denton: that's what i meant. got it? |
| 21:11.27 | John6000 | its easyer |
| 21:11.37 | wols- | John6000: meunconfig doesn't need X, just a terminal and is pretty much as userfriendly |
| 21:11.41 | LoRez | *klined* |
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| 21:11.46 | jc-denton | tarzeau: who does this |
| 21:11.46 | wols- | but's just preference |
| 21:11.52 | tarzeau | jc-denton: teh GNAA |
| 21:11.55 | netd | tarzeau: where in menuconfig, i can not find |
| 21:11.58 | FieldySnuts | fuckers. |
| 21:12.09 | tarzeau | netd: oh i've never used it, sorry, somewhere in the network settings or so? |
| 21:12.13 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 21:12.15 | jc-denton | why dont u just kill them |
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| 21:12.23 | FieldySnuts | they have been, they come from all over the damn place |
| 21:12.28 | wols- | jc-denton: you're the bionic man, not him |
| 21:12.29 | FieldySnuts | ~lart common security |
| 21:12.33 | netd | does anyone know what options to enable to get new_tunnel.o module? i can not seem to figure out |
| 21:12.33 | tarzeau | jc-denton: they are everywhere. teh GNAA |
| 21:12.37 | jc-denton | hehe wols- |
| 21:12.38 | jc-denton | i wish |
| 21:12.47 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: shut up. |
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| 21:14.04 | FieldySnuts | bleh. bbl |
| 21:14.13 | cmihai | How do you set a USB memory disk to read-write ? It's mounted rw, but it's write protected (Some software "write protected" it). Now I can't write to it. |
| 21:15.02 | cmihai | sdc: Current: sense key: Data Protect Additional sense: Write protected |
| 21:15.10 | cmihai | dmesg shows that when I try to write to it. |
| 21:15.23 | FieldySnuts | sometimes they have a switch on the side, mine does. takes a small paper clip to flip it |
| 21:15.37 | cmihai | type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077) |
| 21:15.42 | cmihai | Mine does not. |
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| 21:16.00 | john_doe | does anyone know what mail format procmail uses? |
| 21:16.16 | valdyn | john_doe: hmm? |
| 21:16.16 | LoRez | john_doe: mbox or Maildir |
| 21:16.18 | cmihai | My father pluged it into a windows box, and said something about a _software_ doing something to it...write protect bla bla |
| 21:16.20 | petemc | john_doe: it does mbox, maildir, prolly mroe |
| 21:16.26 | ThePiratemaster | how do i edit let iptables to allow traffic on a port |
| 21:16.31 | fhffhqvb | tarzeau: Did you hear about the Coder that got stuck in his shower for a week? The instructions on his shampoo said: Lather, rinse, repeat. |
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| 21:16.57 | ThePiratemaster | lol |
| 21:17.00 | john_doe | should I use maildir rather than mbox? |
| 21:17.14 | streuner | !maildir |
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| 21:17.14 | dpkg | a one-message-per-file mailbox format used by qmail and supported by mutt; see http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html or k-rad, or runs you out of inodes when you have more than 60,000 mails, or Linux doesn't have 16-bit inode numbers, duh DJB's one good idea. supported by postfix, exim etc. and several final delivery / filtering programs such as maildrop and procmail as well as imap servers including courier-imap, dovecot or cyrus. |
| 21:17.20 | cmihai | Now I can't write on the stick. Probably a dd if=/dev/zero might help, but that's extreme... |
| 21:17.42 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: feel like trolling on irc.gnaa.us in #gnaa ? |
| 21:17.55 | tarzeau | fhffhqvb: heh, nope :) |
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| 21:18.01 | scar_ | my debian configured the eth0 interface through DHCP but I'd like to change all things manually. how can I do this? |
| 21:18.12 | FieldySnuts | no, i don't want anything to do with those jack asses |
| 21:18.23 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: on the debian release page at gnaa they make debian < ubuntu , fedora and windows server 2003 |
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| 21:18.32 | wols- | scar_: edit /etc/network/interfaces accordingly, then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 21:18.34 | ThePiratemaster | how do i let iptables to allow traffic on a port |
| 21:18.37 | valdyn | john_doe: we dont know what you want, maildir certainly is better for huge mailboxes ( >10k mails or somesuch ) |
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| 21:18.44 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: heh |
| 21:18.48 | ThePiratemaster | iptables --help doesnt make any sense O_O |
| 21:18.52 | FieldySnuts | what release page |
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| 21:19.11 | FAMM | Hello, I downloaded the sarge netinst iso, I wanna know, when Iam burning it, just burn it, or burn as a bootable disc? |
| 21:19.16 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i'll check what's up there. hope you don't mind if i use your nick |
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| 21:19.25 | petemc | FAMM: just burn it |
| 21:19.26 | wols- | valdyn: mbox is faster for huge mailboxes, but one loses folder capability |
| 21:19.31 | ThePiratemaster | famm, take wild guess :P |
| 21:19.35 | netd | does anyone know what options to enable to get new_tunnel.o module? i can not seem to figure out |
| 21:19.37 | FAMM | lol nah |
| 21:19.39 | _daniel_ | FAMM, as an ISO |
| 21:19.46 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: do NOT do that, I will be very pissed, and if you cause too much shit and they react in a big way attacking here, it's in logs you said that. I have nothing to do with this. |
| 21:19.51 | FAMM | I mean, Its already bootable? |
| 21:19.53 | scar_ | wols-, how does the file look like? it reads auto eth0 ... just remove all lines from primary network interfaces and just add eth0 to it? and where can I change IP address, dns gateway information etc? |
| 21:19.57 | valdyn | wols-: slower here. |
| 21:20.02 | shingouz | FAMM: yes it is. burn as iso |
| 21:20.03 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: don't worry ;) |
| 21:20.05 | wols- | scar_: man interfaces |
| 21:20.13 | FieldySnuts | asshole, don't |
| 21:20.24 | FieldySnuts | i'm not kidding, i don't want those idiots all over me |
| 21:20.31 | wols- | valdyn: can't be since mbox is just a single file, maildir is thousands. much more metainfo for maildir |
| 21:20.35 | FAMM | ok, ty |
| 21:20.47 | ThePiratemaster | famm, it has boot-info in it, burn it as a bootable disk to use that info and be able to boot from it |
| 21:20.51 | netd | does anyone know what options to enable to get new_tunnel.o module? i can not seem to figure out |
| 21:21.05 | ThePiratemaster | i dont, im a n00b |
| 21:21.13 | shingouz | ThePiratemaster: i think you are giving out misleading information now |
| 21:21.27 | ThePiratemaster | explain? |
| 21:21.30 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: it really exists... and there's 59 people in there |
| 21:21.35 | shingouz | FAMM: ThePiratemaster: it is already a bootable cd. just burn it as an ISO |
| 21:21.42 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: I DON'T CARE I DON'T CARE, leave me out of it |
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| 21:22.00 | ThePiratemaster | ok, shingouz, why im a wrong? |
| 21:22.04 | stouset | Oh dear. |
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| 21:22.12 | john_doe | valdyn: I'm sorry. this is the first time I'm doing this. It's a small mail server. Only about 50 accounts will be hosted. Procmail and qmail (which is just the application that sends mails, right?) is installed on the server. My job is to convert the .msg files from the windows server and to put them into the file system on the new server. |
| 21:22.13 | stouset | GCC 4.0 is in sid. |
| 21:22.13 | shingouz | ThePiratemaster: it is already bootable |
| 21:22.15 | ThePiratemaster | *ok, shingouz, why am i wrong? |
| 21:22.19 | shingouz | ThePiratemaster: it is already bootable |
| 21:22.22 | shingouz | jfc |
| 21:22.23 | stouset | It's begun :-) |
| 21:22.24 | ThePiratemaster | the iso is bootable |
| 21:22.30 | FieldySnuts | stouset: scary |
| 21:22.49 | shingouz | ThePiratemaster: yes. burn the thing as an iso. no changes no nothing. just burn the damn thing |
| 21:22.53 | valdyn | john_doe: you should be fine with either, mbox is default in debian. |
| 21:22.56 | wols- | john_doe: what mail storage server do you use? |
| 21:23.09 | ThePiratemaster | w/e (im not burning) |
| 21:23.14 | valdyn | john_doe: qmail sends and recieves mail. |
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| 21:23.25 | wols- | valdyn: and if his mail accounts ahve folders, he won't be happy with mbox... |
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| 21:23.38 | john_doe | wols-: so I guess procmail is the storage server? |
| 21:23.46 | ThePiratemaster | how do i configure iptables to allow ssh? |
| 21:23.52 | wols- | john_doe: no. procmail is a MDA. mail delivery agent |
| 21:24.11 | john_doe | wols-: oh... just a second. |
| 21:24.11 | wols- | john_doe: courier-imap, cyrus-imap or dovecot are storage servers |
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| 21:24.14 | ThePiratemaster | iptables -h doesnt help at all |
| 21:24.32 | FAMM | Ok guys, I burned it, didnot burn as a bootable disc, u sure it gonna work? |
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| 21:24.42 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: you have done something to disallow ssh. it didn't happen by itself |
| 21:24.53 | ThePiratemaster | it did |
| 21:25.00 | wols- | FAMM: yes we are sure. very very very sure. is that enough assurance for you? |
| 21:25.01 | ThePiratemaster | i didnt toutch iptables after the install |
| 21:25.02 | FieldySnuts | ~moron ThePiratemaster |
| 21:25.06 | ThePiratemaster | its a clean install |
| 21:25.07 | Racer_D | hello |
| 21:25.09 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 21:25.10 | FAMM | lol ty |
| 21:25.11 | FAMM | :p |
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| 21:25.15 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: no it did not. you did. no one else |
| 21:25.35 | Racer_D | has anyone set up netatalk with encrypted passwords on sarge? |
| 21:25.45 | ThePiratemaster | no i did not, im not saying it did, im saying it isnt atm |
| 21:25.53 | shingouz | Racer_D: do not poll. just tell us what the problem is |
| 21:25.54 | john_doe | Ok. it must be imap. |
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| 21:25.56 | FieldySnuts | this isn't an argument. yes it is. no it isn't! YES IT IS |
| 21:26.04 | Racer_D | I don't know how to set it up |
| 21:26.04 | FieldySnuts | oh. are you here for the five minutes, or the full half hour? |
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| 21:26.19 | wols- | john_doe: imap is good. but which imap server? I listed 3 of them above |
| 21:26.19 | john_doe | it's the only of those, that I can find in a 'ps ax' |
| 21:26.25 | ThePiratemaster | you're right its not, can anyone just help me? |
| 21:26.26 | liquid_ | why does putty suck so much? |
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| 21:26.36 | liquid_ | is there anything FREE and better then putty? |
| 21:26.38 | FieldySnuts | because it's a w32 app |
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| 21:26.44 | Danar | can someone help me figure out why some applications take ~10 minutes to start up? |
| 21:26.46 | wols- | liquid_: for windows software it's pretty darn good |
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| 21:26.59 | wols- | Danar: get a faster harddisk? |
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| 21:27.00 | liquid_ | well secure CRT would be better |
| 21:27.02 | ThePiratemaster | true |
| 21:27.04 | liquid_ | but I hate warez |
| 21:27.09 | wols- | 10 minutes is really huge for a single app |
| 21:27.10 | Danar | there's putty for linux too |
| 21:27.19 | liquid_ | but I mean for windows :( |
| 21:27.22 | Danar | wols-: that would be funny if it made sense |
| 21:27.24 | ilpum_ | Does anybody have experience with the MP3-Player XFree from LG? |
| 21:27.25 | ThePiratemaster | i just use the ssh command |
| 21:27.36 | wols- | liquid_: I tried securecrt long ago. it SUCKED. putty worked out of thebox. this commercial stuff did not |
| 21:27.41 | Danar | wols-: _some_ apps |
| 21:27.43 | liquid_ | well I'm on windows maintaining some servers |
| 21:27.59 | FieldySnuts | securecrt stinks. putty is the best i know of, i try to avoid adminning from windows anyway for a reason |
| 21:28.00 | wols- | Danar: 10min app startup doesn't make sense either. so stop lying. or use smaller apps |
| 21:28.05 | FieldySnuts | i don't have problems with putty |
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| 21:28.22 | john_doe | wols-: dovecot is installed on the system |
| 21:28.23 | Danar | wols-: lol, i'm lying now. ok *rolls eyes* |
| 21:28.50 | wols- | Danar: really 10 minutes? no exaggeration? not a slight bit? for starting an app? really? |
| 21:28.55 | Danar | so far i've found that firefox, k3b, and gedit take about 10 minutes to appear |
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| 21:29.09 | Danar | wols-: about 5-15 minutes give or take |
| 21:29.11 | shingouz | Danar: and what kind of a computer you run there? |
| 21:29.13 | Danar | it varies |
| 21:29.15 | john_doe | wols-: yes´´ |
| 21:29.15 | john_doe | wols- : sorry, |
| 21:29.17 | Danar | 3Ghz |
| 21:29.20 | wols- | john_doe: don't use dovecot myself, but afaik it can use both, mbox and maildir. but I'd strongly suggest maildir. just the better format |
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| 21:29.31 | Danar | this is not normal :p |
| 21:29.32 | shingouz | Danar: i find that hard to believe |
| 21:29.35 | wols- | Danar: and what app? |
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| 21:29.42 | Danar | wols-: ^^ |
| 21:29.43 | FAMM | Guys, It didnot work, I burned it, and restarted, didnot say install sarge or any shit |
| 21:29.55 | ilpum_ | I can delete files but no memory is freed, why? |
| 21:29.56 | shingouz | FAMM: what did it say? |
| 21:29.57 | Danar | but once they start, they run fine |
| 21:29.59 | wols- | Danar: you didn't say which app takes that long |
| 21:29.59 | john_doe | wols-: ok, thanx. How can I know what it uses? |
| 21:30.06 | Danar | wols-: i specified 3 of them |
| 21:30.11 | FAMM | Says config hardware, something like that.. |
| 21:30.13 | wols- | john_doe: no clue, since as I said, I don't use dovecot |
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| 21:30.41 | shingouz | FAMM: you are very vague. so the thing booted up into an almost black screen with a nice small prompt? |
| 21:30.42 | ThePiratemaster | when i let putty connect to my server it says "connection refused", ssh is configured properly. something (i belive iptables as it is a firewall) is the cause of this problem. I can also not use apache or vsftp (connection refused) and i would like to know how to fix this. any help is appreciated (and no didnt toutch iptables after the install 2 hours ago) |
| 21:30.42 | wols- | ilpum_: some process might still use that file. it will be deleted as soon as the last process has closed it. |
| 21:30.48 | john_doe | wols-: I thought that I could recognice the file formats somehow. |
| 21:30.50 | wols- | ilpum_: install "lsof" and check |
| 21:30.51 | FAMM | NO |
| 21:30.57 | shingouz | FAMM: THEN WHAT? |
| 21:31.02 | FAMM | i dont know |
| 21:31.02 | GaveUp | i'm trying to apt-get update my boxes here and I keep getting "cant verify signature" errors. What could be causing this? |
| 21:31.04 | wols- | john_doe: who or what can recognize file formats? |
| 21:31.10 | liquid_ | how do I create a SSLCertificateFile: file '/etc/apache2/ssl.crt/server.crt' ? |
| 21:31.16 | shingouz | FAMM: did the damn thing boot onto the cd? |
| 21:31.21 | liquid_ | I know there was a tool to generate keys |
| 21:31.22 | FAMM | i made boots like, floppy, then cd rom, then HDD |
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| 21:31.44 | shingouz | FAMM: and what o/s did boot up? |
| 21:31.47 | yoo | if i use emulation SCSI for my Seagate ATAPI TAPE drive, i must unload ide-tape module ? |
| 21:31.49 | Danar | well, k3b finally started. i ran it about 5 minutes ago |
| 21:31.50 | wols- | FAMM: what program did you use to burn the ISO? |
| 21:32.00 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: don't hit me. 23:34 < fuckjews> FieldySnuts is a spy from freenode #debian |
| 21:32.02 | FAMM | wols-: its NERO |
| 21:32.06 | john_doe | wols-: when you ask that way, file maybe? I also meant the directory structure..... |
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| 21:32.24 | wols- | I just burnt a sarge netinst iso myself. no problems when I used simply "burn image" |
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| 21:32.33 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: you dick, didn't I say to leave me out of this? oh well it's logged in case some crap goes down, i'm ignoring you |
| 21:32.33 | Danar | i got some output from it that may or may not be related... |
| 21:32.36 | FAMM | me too, did the same..... |
| 21:32.43 | wols- | john_doe: I don't understand your question right now |
| 21:32.58 | shingouz | FAMM: once more. what o/s did the thing boot up to? |
| 21:33.00 | ilpum_ | I'm talking about the memory on my mp3-player |
| 21:33.12 | wols- | Danar: start the programs which take so long in a xterm. it should give out some debug infos, especially when something is wrong |
| 21:33.14 | ilpum_ | @wols- |
| 21:33.21 | Danar | wols-: i do |
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| 21:33.41 | bya | hello |
| 21:33.44 | Danar | wols-: and i just said, i got some output from k3b that may or may not be related... |
| 21:33.54 | shingouz | and 781 people say hi to bya |
| 21:33.55 | wols- | Danar: and no messages at all in there? only kde programs which are fubar or others too? (Oo.org, firefox,...) |
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| 21:34.08 | bya | I can't get my Sound Blaster live 5.1 work |
| 21:34.14 | Danar | wols-: no kde apps |
| 21:34.25 | Native | anyone here use an Inspiron 9300 or a HP zd8000 laptop with Debian? |
| 21:34.27 | Danar | wols-: er, unless k3b is |
| 21:34.33 | wols- | Danar: duh! |
| 21:34.34 | FAMM | GUYS NOW I WANNA KNOW HOW TO BURN THAT SHIT |
| 21:34.36 | FAMM | IAM LOST |
| 21:34.36 | FAMM | OK? |
| 21:34.38 | bya | shingouz: hello |
| 21:34.40 | ThePiratemaster | when i let putty connect to my server it says "connection refused", ssh is configured properly. something (i belive iptables as it is a firewall) is the cause of this problem. I can also not use apache or vsftp (connection refused) and i would like to know how to fix this. any help is appreciated (and no didnt toutch iptables after the install 2 hours ago) |
| 21:34.43 | shingouz | Native: stop polling please. just ask the damn question |
| 21:34.51 | tarzeau | FAMM: lose the caps |
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| 21:34.52 | wols- | FAMM: if you yell, you can get to my ignore list fast. |
| 21:34.55 | FAMM | ok ok |
| 21:35.00 | ThePiratemaster | FAMM: burn it as an iso? do u use nere6? |
| 21:35.01 | FAMM | sorry |
| 21:35.06 | shingouz | FAMM: you never answered my question. when you booted the thing up what os did it boot to? |
| 21:35.06 | ThePiratemaster | *nero6? |
| 21:35.09 | tarzeau | FAMM: try /nick famm as well |
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| 21:35.15 | wols- | FAMM: download the ISO file. Open nero. burn image file and select said iso file. done |
| 21:35.19 | petemc | ThePiratemaster: there are no iptables by default |
| 21:35.25 | FAMM | I choosed data |
| 21:35.29 | FAMM | then data disc |
| 21:35.33 | FAMM | Is that right? |
| 21:35.38 | wols- | FAMM: no it is not right |
| 21:35.42 | bya | ALSA drivers cann't give me sound coming from rear speakers |
| 21:35.46 | shingouz | FAMM: there. you fucked up. i told you to burn it as an iso. at least twice |
| 21:35.46 | FAMM | mmmmm |
| 21:35.50 | ThePiratemaster | wel something prevents my connection |
| 21:35.52 | FAMM | whats the right thing? |
| 21:35.52 | wols- | FAMM: use "burn image" NOTHING else |
| 21:35.58 | Danar | wols-: as i said, firefox, k3b & gedit are the ones i've found so far that do it |
| 21:36.04 | Native | Ok, anyone have deal-breaker issues with Inspiron 9300 or HP Pavilion zd8000 with linux? I've read all I can find on places like linux-on-laptops.net, but there are only a few write ups there and I'm trying to solicit some real feedback |
| 21:36.06 | petemc | ThePiratemaster: are you connecting to the box over lan, or..? |
| 21:36.15 | FAMM | Burn as a disc image? |
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| 21:36.25 | netd | does anyone know what this means and or how to fix it, ioctl: No buffer space available |
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| 21:36.30 | b89qsan | hi, I'm reinstalling debian on a laptop through pcmcia netinst. The network card works and can be pinged before the reboot, and debian detects it when hotplugged, but it won't use it at all after the required mid-install reboot. He;lp |
| 21:36.31 | FAMM | "Disc Image Or Saved Project" ? |
| 21:36.31 | ThePiratemaster | lan |
| 21:36.36 | ignatius | anyone use xawtv with directv? |
| 21:36.38 | shingouz | FAMM: yes. as an ISO. disc image |
| 21:36.44 | FAMM | hmm, ok |
| 21:36.44 | ThePiratemaster | 100Mb/s for what it matters |
| 21:36.48 | bya | who can help me to make my Sound 5.1 work please |
| 21:36.52 | wols- | Danar: check if you are using busmaster DMA for your disks. that's about the onl thing I can think of which would slow app startup down. but not in the 5 minutes range. that more sounds like some network timeout or something |
| 21:37.09 | shingouz | i just fucking love this. every single one who comes in here goes "does anyone use..." |
| 21:37.20 | shingouz | bya: what is wrong with it |
| 21:37.25 | Danar | wols-: i'm running them locally. and if it were something like that, wouldn't it affect all apps? |
| 21:37.29 | liquid_ | ThePiratemaster a self signed would be enough to get ssl working |
| 21:37.40 | ThePiratemaster | does anyone use his mothers dildo on his cat? |
| 21:37.42 | petemc | ThePiratemaster: does netstat -puant , as root, show apache etc listening? |
| 21:37.47 | bya | shingouz: no sound from the rear speakers, only from front speakers |
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| 21:37.59 | ThePiratemaster | lemme check |
| 21:37.59 | wols- | Danar: depends. eg if you fucked up your DNS it could happen. strange but possible I think. |
| 21:38.00 | petemc | ThePiratemaster: what sort of bullshit is that? |
| 21:38.15 | FAMM | well, I just need to be sure that this TYPE is the right one, before i burn it, It saves as a (.ngv) file? |
| 21:38.17 | bya | I have tried many document help from alsa website |
| 21:38.18 | Danar | wols-: how would dns affect gedit & k3b? |
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| 21:38.25 | FAMM | sorry *(.nrg) |
| 21:38.41 | bykte | iratemaster> does anyone use his mothers dildo on his cat? LOL! |
| 21:38.45 | shingouz | bya: eeek. i think you run too fancy hardware for me. i barely have sound on these boxes. just tell the channel what you have and what the problem is. someone is boud to know the answer |
| 21:38.46 | yoo | if i use emulation SCSI for my Seagate ATAPI TAPE drive, i must unload ide-tape module ? No or Yes |
| 21:38.54 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.56 | wols- | Danar: it could also be some hardware config problem. hardware has timeouts too, tho usually they're shorter than network ones. however if the timeout occurs a lot for disk activity for example, 5 minutes could happen easily |
| 21:39.08 | shingouz | FAMM: what the hell saves as an nrg? |
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| 21:39.25 | petemc | nero |
| 21:39.27 | pego | hi |
| 21:39.32 | wols- | FAMM: no nero burns .iso just fine. I already told you the exact steps what to do |
| 21:39.32 | Danar | wols-: average is 10 mins for firefox & gedit. i only just noticed k3b doing it, and it took about 5 mines |
| 21:39.35 | Danar | *mins |
| 21:39.36 | wols- | FAMM: download the ISO file. Open nero. burn image file and select said iso file. done |
| 21:39.44 | ThePiratemaster | yea some ipadresses, only loval ones |
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| 21:39.59 | pego | where do i put the command i want to execute just after the login please ? |
| 21:40.01 | shingouz | i need a tylenol |
| 21:40.05 | ThePiratemaster | *local |
| 21:40.05 | wols- | shingouz: nrg is the nero "native" format |
| 21:40.06 | FAMM | OK, I downloaded, opened nero, which kind of burning |
| 21:40.30 | shingouz | FAMM: burn as an image file. for the umpteenth time |
| 21:40.30 | wols- | FAMM: butn image. that's about the fifth time I told you |
| 21:40.32 | ThePiratemaster | FAMM: BURN AN IMAGE TO DISC |
| 21:40.40 | cello_rasp | I need some advice on reinstalling debian on a laptop through pcmcia netinst. The network card works and can be pinged before the reboot, and debian detects it when hotplugged, but it won't use it at all after the required mid-install reboot. Netinst is my only option atm - mayday! |
| 21:40.41 | bya | I have a sound blaster Live 5.1 running on Debian Sarge 3.1. Kernel 2.6.8. With the alsa modules loaded by default, I only have sound coming from the front speakers, I have nothing from rear speakers. I have a creative sound work 5.1. Who can hlp me please |
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| 21:40.49 | PeTeRB | !wikifaq pego DotFiles |
| 21:40.50 | dpkg | pego: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:41.02 | FAMM | GUYS I DONT HAVE THAT THING IN MY SOFTWARE..... |
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| 21:41.14 | shingouz | FAMM: stop yelling |
| 21:41.17 | pego | PeTeRB, ty |
| 21:41.18 | FAMM | Iam not |
| 21:41.22 | wols- | FAMM: then you are lying and now fuck off. yell in another channel moron |
| 21:41.23 | shingouz | yes you are |
| 21:41.24 | FAMM | Iam just lost in here... |
| 21:41.26 | petemc | maybe this is a sign.. |
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| 21:41.46 | Pryon | "Hey you got your thing in my software." "No, you got your software in my thing." Two great tastes that taste great together.. |
| 21:41.56 | FAMM | Burn as a data disc? Or Disc image or saved project? |
| 21:41.58 | FAMM | help plz |
| 21:42.06 | cello_rasp | disk image |
| 21:42.12 | shingouz | FAMM: it is real simple. you must burn it as an image file. unless you do so it will not work. get some software that can handle simple burns |
| 21:42.13 | FAMM | I burned |
| 21:42.15 | FAMM | but didnot |
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| 21:42.23 | bya | oh, nobody can help me??? |
| 21:42.32 | ThePiratemaster | FAMM: i dunno if I must be saying this, but if u cant figure that out then why r u using debian, settle for ubuntu orsomething |
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| 21:42.40 | wols- | shingouz: nero can handle it fine. it's just that this guy is dumber than a doornail |
| 21:42.40 | shingouz | FAMM: as a fucking image file. IMAGE! ISO. how many times does it have to be speled out? |
| 21:42.48 | orjan | bya: did you try at the #alsa channel |
| 21:43.07 | bya | orjan: do you mean on debian server? |
| 21:43.09 | wols- | FAMM: close that fucking wizard and use the normal menu |
| 21:43.11 | JohnnyST | It's on /. now as well.. |
| 21:43.25 | orjan | bya: on freenode |
| 21:43.25 | ThePiratemaster | FAMM: windows is perfect for you... |
| 21:43.29 | ThePiratemaster | stick with it |
| 21:43.31 | cello_rasp | is there a specific channel for install assistance or can i ask here? |
| 21:43.38 | bya | orjan thanks |
| 21:43.44 | shingouz | bya: of course it helps too if you sit here for a while and wait for the cdburning issue to get resolved. a few of us are a bit ticked off now ;) |
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| 21:44.07 | shingouz | !tell cello_rasp about ask |
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| 21:44.18 | cello_rasp | i hate to repeat myself |
| 21:44.25 | cello_rasp | thx shingouz |
| 21:44.34 | netd | does anyone know what this means and or how to fix it, ioctl: No buffer space available |
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| 21:44.48 | foo | shingouz: "refresh at 1600 x 1200" - is that a refresh rate? I don't think so. |
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| 21:44.55 | ThePiratemaster | full harddrive? |
| 21:44.56 | wols- | cello_rasp: and we hate people who repeatedly spam the question but don't do what they're told :) |
| 21:44.59 | ThePiratemaster | just a guess |
| 21:45.01 | shingouz | foo: no, that looks like a resolution |
| 21:45.09 | foo | shingouz: That's what I thought |
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| 21:45.54 | cello_rasp | wols- i need to be told first! XD |
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| 21:46.00 | Danar | foo: a refresh rate would look like "60Hz" |
| 21:46.02 | cello_rasp | I need some advice on reinstalling debian on a laptop through pcmcia netinst. The network card works and can be pinged before the reboot, and debian detects it when hotplugged, but it won't use it at all after the required mid-install reboot. Netinst is my only option atm - mayday! |
| 21:46.07 | ThePiratemaster | does anyone know a software related reason why ssh might not be working (trough lan) |
| 21:46.16 | foo | Danar: Ah, thanks. Then it's 75hz |
| 21:46.24 | wols- | cello_rasp: well, you didn't spam yet. so you have the benefit of the doubt :) |
| 21:46.31 | foo | shingouz: Thought sound right? 75hz? |
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| 21:46.50 | Danar | wow, firefox just took 20 mins to start |
| 21:46.50 | wols- | cello_rasp: tried going to another console, logging in and modprobing it manually? |
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| 21:46.55 | shingouz | cello_rasp: modprobe yenta and the module for the nic. should be there after that |
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| 21:47.03 | FarrisG | Is there any sort of minimal-options, F/OSS VM package similar to VMWare that will allow me to run a windows installation within linux? |
| 21:47.07 | shingouz | foo: that begins to sound more like it |
| 21:47.08 | Danar | 26 minutes that is |
| 21:47.09 | Denn | Where is the inetd? |
| 21:47.13 | orjan | ThePiratemaster: does the log on the box with the sshd say anything? |
| 21:47.19 | De_Mon | FarrisG: qemu is one |
| 21:47.24 | ThePiratemaster | nothing |
| 21:47.24 | foo | shingouz: I'm thinking about reinstalling debian |
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| 21:47.35 | foo | shingouz: Should I try to fix this or do that? It's becoming a pain. |
| 21:47.38 | shingouz | foo: why? because the X does not work? |
| 21:47.40 | Danar | wols-: anything that might have a time-out of 26 minutes? |
| 21:47.41 | netd | does anyone know where i can get new_tunnel.o |
| 21:47.42 | wols- | Danar: you sure the hardware is alright? debian kernel or custom kernel= |
| 21:47.42 | ThePiratemaster | putty says " network error: connection refused" |
| 21:47.49 | nvz | this is not really a debian problem but I am looking for possible reasons why another user on my ISP is not able to connect to the gift/fasttrack plugin. they were able to before. I am still able to connect but they cannot. they are direct connected where as I am behind a nat. I've removed the ~/.giFT/FastTrack/banlist and even tried changing the FastTrack Port number, and still no go. the logs dont seem to throw any red flags.. would anyone hav |
| 21:47.50 | Danar | wols-: debian kernel |
| 21:47.56 | foo | shingouz: Yeah, pretty much. heh, I know that's not a good reason. |
| 21:47.56 | FarrisG | De_Mon: THanks |
| 21:47.57 | Danar | wols-: haven't changed the hardware |
| 21:47.59 | wols- | Danar: nothing has such a timeout. must be more than one timeout |
| 21:48.01 | shingouz | foo: i try to never reinstall, too much trouble |
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| 21:48.04 | tictac | cello_rasp: when you come back from reboot, go into a vtty and cardctl insert |
| 21:48.09 | Danar | wols-: maybe.. |
| 21:48.09 | orjan | ThePiratemaster: hmm and you use ver 2 of the ssh protocol? |
| 21:48.15 | wols- | Danar: tested the hardware with something else? maybe some other kernel? |
| 21:48.17 | ThePiratemaster | ya |
| 21:48.32 | Danar | wols-: haven't changed the kernel in a while, and it didn't always do it |
| 21:48.35 | De_Mon | FarrisG: isn't there a VMWare for linux also? |
| 21:48.44 | shingouz | i hope the mailman is out there already, i need to kick someone. bbiab |
| 21:48.45 | Danar | wols-: i'm not sure when it started, but it's been doing it for weeks now |
| 21:48.47 | wols- | Danar: but something must have changed between then and now |
| 21:48.49 | tictac | De_Mon: yes. vmware.com/ |
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| 21:49.29 | Danar | wols-: it seems to fluctuate too |
| 21:49.29 | foo | shingouz: "Screens found, but none have a usable configuration" - that's the error. I don't see a Refresh or refresh in XF86Config file |
| 21:49.35 | wols- | nvz: have you port forwarding enabled at your NAT? |
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| 21:49.56 | ThePiratemaster | de_mon, i would go for qemu, its free and faster (not as good with XP as vmware but it has 3d accelaration) |
| 21:50.01 | Danar | foo: have you edited the XF86Config-4 file yet? |
| 21:50.08 | Danar | foo: or at all |
| 21:50.19 | nvz | wols-: mine works fine.. fasttrack has a special option for people behind a nat. he's not nat'd hes directly connected to his modem, his is the one that doesnt work |
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| 21:50.30 | foo | Danar: No, what I did was switch this debian hard drive to a new box, and everything works except X. |
| 21:50.46 | netd | how can i set up a vpn? |
| 21:50.47 | wols- | nvz: I still ask: have you portforwarded your gift? if not: go away until you did it |
| 21:50.54 | Danar | foo: hrm. so you just gotta reconfigure X |
| 21:50.54 | darkskiez | yowzer, not a good slashdot headline |
| 21:51.01 | Danar | foo: did you try dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 21:51.08 | foo | Danar: Yeah, I've ran the dpkg-reconfigure .. yeah.. |
| 21:51.11 | nvz | wols-: yes mine is port forwarded. and it works fine |
| 21:51.14 | wols- | foo: delete the X config file. then dpkg-reconfigure the xserver until it works again |
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| 21:51.20 | Danar | foo: and had you edited XF86Config-4 before you switched it? |
| 21:51.24 | nvz | wols-: again there is nothing wrong with mine :P |
| 21:51.25 | foo | Danar: No |
| 21:51.29 | FAMM | OK, For the 2nd time it didnot work |
| 21:51.40 | FAMM | tell me guys which software u using for nero, and i will download now. |
| 21:51.57 | wols- | then all you can do is check his firewall settings if any. check if his ISP blocks p2p etc |
| 21:51.58 | Danar | FAMM: k3b |
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| 21:52.05 | FAMM | no, for windwos. |
| 21:52.07 | ThePiratemaster | he's on windows |
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| 21:52.10 | Danar | heh |
| 21:52.15 | wols- | FAMM: I used nero. and nero works fine for burning debian ISOs |
| 21:52.16 | dsl_ | hmm |
| 21:52.21 | ThePiratemaster | try the demo or alcohol120% |
| 21:52.22 | FAMM | The SAME software u used to burn by the way u told me guys |
| 21:52.31 | wols- | FAMM: getting a new burning app won't solve the problem of your own incapability |
| 21:52.32 | ThePiratemaster | *try the demo orf alcohol120% |
| 21:52.36 | PeTeRB | FAMM: What do you mean by " which software u using for nero" ? |
| 21:52.37 | Danar | yeh, alcohol120% |
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| 21:52.49 | nvz | wols-: his internet account was recently suspended for a day or two pending payment, ever since it got turned back on it will not work. His ISP is the same as mine. He has no firewall at all, where as I do... and mine works, his doesnt. I already tried changing the port from 1214 in the config to 1250 assuming maybe it was blocked by the ISP |
| 21:53.08 | nvz | wols-: 1250 is the port I use on mine |
| 21:53.26 | FAMM | I burned 2 CDS till now |
| 21:53.33 | wols- | reboot time. installing debian on a new hdd |
| 21:53.34 | FAMM | So, plz someone tell me the right way. |
| 21:53.43 | ThePiratemaster | lol @ all those apps that bring something terriffic to windows that are just normal not that special in gnu/linux |
| 21:53.56 | wols- | FAMM: which version of nero exactly do you have? exact name and version number |
| 21:54.02 | ThePiratemaster | *sigh* |
| 21:54.26 | FAMM | nero 5 |
| 21:54.28 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: is your DNS set up correctly for you ssh problem btw? |
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| 21:54.48 | ThePiratemaster | my dns is 194.134.5.5 |
| 21:54.50 | wols- | FAMM: go into "file" -"burn image" |
| 21:55.07 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: no your LAN hosts. not the DNS server you use |
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| 21:55.18 | hacim | mmf, what mouse device do I use on a laptop for X? |
| 21:55.23 | ThePiratemaster | my server can establish conenctions but not accent them |
| 21:55.44 | ThePiratemaster | i can surf but not serv |
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| 21:56.02 | wols- | FAMM:in that open dialog, select the debian iso you downloaded like debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 21:56.05 | FAMM | wols-: Ok brother, wait, I will download the NERO 6, just like u using, mine is an old software anyway ;) |
| 21:56.09 | ThePiratemaster | *serve |
| 21:56.18 | grendal_prime | is courier really supposed to be difficult? |
| 21:56.20 | wols- | FAMM: I am not using nero6. I am using nero5 |
| 21:56.27 | wols- | and it works perfectly as it should |
| 21:56.39 | grendal_prime | im just wondering...because i was under the impression it was easy to config..but i cant get it to do shit |
| 21:56.50 | wols- | grendal_prime: no. it's a very easy one to use. but people rarely use the MTA part. just the imap and pop3 part |
| 21:56.51 | ThePiratemaster | im not offering any software im just saying its on my server with a serial for my own personal use wihtout security |
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| 21:57.08 | cello_rasp | #debian your one stop shop for ISO burning chat XD |
| 21:57.16 | grendal_prime | wols...well i cant even get the imap to work on it |
| 21:57.22 | wols- | grendal_prime: for a standard setup, just apt-get it and run maildirmake for each and any usee you want to use it for |
| 21:57.23 | nvz | FAMM: cdburnerxp pro is free burner software for windows. you dont have to steal commercial crap, if you are trying to burn from windows |
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| 21:57.33 | Adamn | tarzeau: spy |
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| 21:57.43 | foo | Danar/wols-: I deleted it, but the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didn't recreate it.. .any ideas? |
| 21:57.57 | grendal_prime | alright im yanking it all out and starting over then cause ive dinked it to non functionining i think |
| 21:58.08 | Danar | foo: yeh. deleting it counts as editing it :p |
| 21:58.11 | FAMM | nvz: wols- told me that my software can burn it good, but i burned 2 cds, and didnot work coerrectly@ |
| 21:58.16 | tarzeau | Adamn: gay |
| 21:58.19 | nvz | FAMM: CDBurnerXP Pro http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ |
| 21:58.26 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone please give me hand with the connection issue here? |
| 21:58.29 | grendal_prime | now wols- what is the exact syntax for that..because i thought i was doing that correct |
| 21:58.30 | foo | Danar: That's what wols- said to do. |
| 21:58.31 | Adamn | tarzeau: dont insult me please |
| 21:58.31 | FAMM | hmm, ok |
| 21:58.35 | Adamn | tarzeau: i am |
| 21:58.38 | Danar | foo: it keeps an md5 hash of the file to tell if you altered it. if the md5 hash differs, dpkg-reconfigure won't alter it |
| 21:58.41 | wols- | grendal_prime: make sure to yank out the config files too. also, are you sure you configured the MTA properly to deliver to maildir? usually that's more work than the courier part |
| 21:58.42 | dev1 | hi all. a installed few minutes ago debian first in my life and have some questions... 1st analog of freebsd's sysinstall present here? 2nd what the message means "superous interrupt..." in console and on installation process |
| 21:58.43 | JRlinux | Debian Newby here, doing the Sarge netinstall disk On the "Partition disks" page and presented with "Configure software RAID," "Configure the Logical Volume Manager," Guided partitioning," "Help on partitioning." I want to leave partition #1 alone (WinME) and then install on existing partition #2, #3, and #5. What do I do? ( I do not know what RAID and LVM are.) |
| 21:58.44 | Adamn | tarzeau: do you have a problem with it? |
| 21:58.45 | wols- | grendal_prime: what do you use for MTA? |
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| 21:58.55 | grendal_prime | maildirmake /home/myuser/mail |
| 21:58.57 | tarzeau | Adamn: no. but i'm not a spy. so stop insulting me |
| 21:58.57 | foo | Danar: shoot. What do I do? |
| 21:58.59 | AjLavJo | fight fight fight :P |
| 21:59.10 | wols- | JRlinux: you won't need them. ignore them. just partition it |
| 21:59.27 | ThePiratemaster | skip it JR |
| 21:59.30 | nvz | FAMM: *shrug* I just dont like to hear people d/l commercial crap and possibly pirating it when there is free shit that works perfectly.. gives these corporate morons justification when they say shit like the only reason free software exists is to avoid lisc costs so people can pirate their shit |
| 21:59.35 | Danar | foo: xf86cfg -textmode |
| 21:59.38 | JRlinux | wols- just click on Guided partititioning, then? |
| 21:59.40 | ThePiratemaster | RAID is for back-up |
| 21:59.43 | wols- | JRlinux: yes |
| 21:59.44 | Adamn | haha @ work perfectly |
| 21:59.50 | JRlinux | OK, thanks! |
| 21:59.54 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: no. RAID is most certainly not a backup |
| 21:59.55 | Adamn | MAYBE IF YOU HAVE TEN HOURS SPARE |
| 21:59.57 | Adamn | every day |
| 21:59.57 | foo | Danar: Command not found.. hmm |
| 22:00.02 | Danar | foo: so apt-get it |
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| 22:00.14 | ThePiratemaster | it can be used for it |
| 22:00.17 | grendal_prime | wols-, i was tring to get it to deliver to...well iwas going to use maildrop...that way i could use the filters as well but it says to use maildrop it needs this /usr/bin/maildrop |
| 22:00.22 | wols- | grendal_prime: what do you use for MTA? postfix, exim, qmail? |
| 22:00.22 | ThePiratemaster | its what i use it for |
| 22:00.34 | grendal_prime | was using sendmail.. |
| 22:00.41 | ThePiratemaster | ( emagine one of my disks bailing out on me) |
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| 22:00.45 | FAMM | nvz: are you sure that thing gonna work correctly? tried before? |
| 22:00.47 | stew | foo: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 22:00.50 | grendal_prime | but i would like to use courier |
| 22:00.50 | stew | foo: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 22:00.51 | foo | Danar: apt-get install xf86cfg .. couldn't find package. |
| 22:00.54 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: no it's not a backup. a backup is on portable media you can lock away for years. RAID isn't working that way |
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| 22:01.01 | Adamn | nvz: not true, i use loonix myself |
| 22:01.02 | stew | foo: don't use xf86cfg |
| 22:01.04 | jjott | Question - does anyone know how to skip partman in standard Debian Installer (via preseeding) |
| 22:01.09 | Adamn | i like the pain |
| 22:01.10 | ThePiratemaster | then how does it work |
| 22:01.13 | nvz | FAMM: I've used it before to burn ISOs, yes. however if you are not burning the right stuff or not burning it properly it will not work |
| 22:01.18 | wols- | grendal_prime: I gave you three choices. doN't even look at the others. and certainly don't look at sendmail |
| 22:01.27 | nvz | FAMM: you do not put an ISO onto a data track of a cd, you make the cd from the ISO image. |
| 22:01.31 | ThePiratemaster | it singronizes one disk to another |
| 22:01.31 | FAMM | nvz: ok, downloading ;) |
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| 22:01.53 | nvz | FAMM: you have to choose the option to burn cd from image, not just put the image on a data track. |
| 22:02.09 | wols- | grendal_prime: those 3 a fairly easy to configure, have sensible defaults and are all around good MTAs |
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| 22:02.27 | wols- | FAMM: have you looked under "file" and "burn image" in nero5? |
| 22:02.38 | grendal_prime | i was using sendmail |
| 22:02.50 | grendal_prime | that was on the fedora systems...worked fine |
| 22:02.55 | wols- | grendal_prime: that's was a major mistake, especially when not knowing much about mail |
| 22:02.56 | nvz | Adamn: so, you are trying to imply that commercial software is better and that people only use free software to avoid paying |
| 22:03.03 | Danar | foo: odd |
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| 22:03.13 | Adamn | nvz: are you blind/illiterate? |
| 22:03.17 | grendal_prime | but after getting all of the virus-scanning installed...it just got too damn slow |
| 22:03.18 | Adamn | nvz: i said nothing of the sort |
| 22:03.24 | grendal_prime | actually im pretty good with sendmail |
| 22:03.28 | ThePiratemaster | adamn doesnt know what he's talking about if he does |
| 22:03.34 | wols- | grendal_prime: snedmail is fine if you have very very special needs, but unless you are in those 0,00001% of people, it's the wrong tool. |
| 22:03.35 | Adamn | nvz: people pay and pirate commercial software because IT WORKS |
| 22:03.36 | Danar | FAMM: if you're having trouble burning an iso, have you considered that maybe the iso is corrupt? did you check the md5 sum? |
| 22:03.37 | grendal_prime | but i like the writeup on courier and the calendering and whatnot |
| 22:03.39 | Adamn | nvz: FIRST TIME |
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| 22:03.43 | foo | I'm pretty much using all the defaults in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:03.48 | Adamn | nvz: without editing 234324 config files |
| 22:03.51 | ThePiratemaster | and opensource doesnt? |
| 22:04.01 | grendal_prime | ya...its what i got started with...so didnt learn much else |
| 22:04.06 | ThePiratemaster | explain us Adamn, share us your wisdom... |
| 22:04.07 | wols- | grendal_prime: then you shouldn't have any problems with courier. compared to sendmail, it configures itself |
| 22:04.07 | Adamn | open sores is failure |
| 22:04.07 | tarzeau | ThePiratemaster: opensrouce sucks |
| 22:04.15 | tarzeau | ThePiratemaster: Free Software is they really deluxe stuff |
| 22:04.21 | nvz | Adamn: yeah ok, whatever :P I've never used a commercial piece of software that I consider to work ever under any circumstance |
| 22:04.24 | ThePiratemaster | get the f*ck out of here |
| 22:04.25 | Adamn | shareware is the way forward |
| 22:04.35 | orjan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.36 | grendal_prime | ya i think the problem is im thinking its supposed to be more difficult than it is |
| 22:04.36 | ThePiratemaster | im not even gonna talk to this guy |
| 22:04.37 | JRlinux | wols- I went through partitions 2,3, 5 and left as they were, but now I get the red screen saying no root file system defined. I must go back and ... what? |
| 22:04.45 | wols- | Adamn: what are you doing in here again, except trolling? |
| 22:04.47 | Danar | foo: you're right. can't find package.. |
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| 22:05.07 | grendal_prime | what was the syntax for adding a user...because im using the sqmail and im getting this Unable to open the maildir for this account -- the maildir doesn't exist or has incorrect ownership or permissions. |
| 22:05.08 | Eulex | Adamn, why? |
| 22:05.10 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone help me out now with the connection problem? |
| 22:05.14 | Adamn | wols-: enjoying myself on a free irc network |
| 22:05.27 | wols- | Adamn: then please stop trolling |
| 22:05.37 | wols- | Eulex: don't feed him |
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| 22:05.40 | Adamn | I'm not trolling |
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| 22:05.46 | ThePiratemaster | yes u are |
| 22:05.49 | ThePiratemaster | stfu |
| 22:05.53 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: no feeding |
| 22:05.57 | ThePiratemaster | sry |
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| 22:06.11 | Adamn | i only use lunix because i like to be hard on myself |
| 22:06.20 | Adamn | i thought that's why everyone uses it |
| 22:06.22 | FieldySnuts | go away. |
| 22:06.23 | ThePiratemaster | Adamn, why dont u contribute something to opensource and see how it works |
| 22:06.23 | wols- | JRlinux: you must designate one partition as the root partition |
| 22:06.27 | FieldySnuts | ~u |
| 22:06.27 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:06.28 | sh4dowcat | nah |
| 22:06.33 | Adamn | realistically, normal people would use windows |
| 22:06.34 | sh4dowcat | debian is great as a desktop os |
| 22:06.37 | Adamn | or at least pirate it it |
| 22:06.41 | sh4dowcat | Adamn: I don't |
| 22:06.42 | Adamn | THINK OF IT THIS WAY |
| 22:06.45 | tarzeau | ThePiratemaster: please it's "free software" |
| 22:06.46 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: yeah, for 1996 |
| 22:06.49 | tarzeau | ThePiratemaster: NOT open source |
| 22:06.50 | FieldySnuts | nwo you'll get banned, for talking about pirating |
| 22:06.57 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: think we can get rid of Adamn |
| 22:06.57 | Adamn | it's easier to pirate windows |
| 22:07.02 | Adamn | than to configure loonix |
| 22:07.05 | sh4dowcat | it's also easier to be an idiot |
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| 22:07.08 | FieldySnuts | i'm sure an oper, such as RichiH might want to see this as well |
| 22:07.09 | Adamn | true |
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| 22:07.11 | sh4dowcat | but then again you're proved that already |
| 22:07.18 | wols- | @ops Adamn is trolling. please make him stop |
| 22:07.19 | shevek | Hi. I remember a long time ago (with potato) it used to be possible to run X on a hercules monochrome card. I'm trying it right now, but it seems to be impossible. Am I missing something? |
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| 22:07.23 | Adamn | yeah, by talking to you |
| 22:07.26 | grendal_prime | wols-, im reading man now |
| 22:07.29 | FieldySnuts | wols-: use ~ or ! |
| 22:07.29 | ThePiratemaster | opensource is when you are allowed to edit something to make it better ( or for anyother reason) |
| 22:07.33 | Adamn | who uses open source for some nobel cause |
| 22:07.34 | Danar | tarheelcox1: there's open source, and there's Open Source. |
| 22:07.40 | FieldySnuts | he's a troll, stop replying to him morons |
| 22:07.41 | tarzeau | shevek: using xfree 3 or 4? |
| 22:07.46 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 22:07.47 | Adamn | noble |
| 22:07.48 | Adamn | even |
| 22:07.48 | wols- | shevek: you will probably need an old version of X. 3.3.6 at least |
| 22:07.50 | ThePiratemaster | i do, partially |
| 22:07.59 | Danar | er, tarzeau, sorry |
| 22:08.01 | shevek | tarzeau: I'm now trying both |
| 22:08.02 | sh4dowcat | heh Adamn |
| 22:08.06 | wols- | grendal_prime: manpage for what? |
| 22:08.07 | ThePiratemaster | but i use it mostly because it works better and gives me choice |
| 22:08.10 | sh4dowcat | do you REALLY want to get into a discussion about windows vs. Linux? |
| 22:08.18 | tarzeau | Danar: same shit, same name |
| 22:08.19 | sh4dowcat | because I see them on efnet everyday |
| 22:08.23 | Danar | tarzeau: not at all |
| 22:08.25 | shevek | wols-: Google says I need 3.1 even, but that's hard to find |
| 22:08.26 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: sure |
| 22:08.28 | sh4dowcat | I op a linux chan and a windows chan |
| 22:08.28 | wols- | sh4dowcat: we don't want you to get into it either. stop feeding! |
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| 22:08.35 | sh4dowcat | so trust me I could give you one hell of a beating |
| 22:08.40 | FieldySnuts | ~ops Adamn is trolling heavily (successfully) |
| 22:08.41 | apt | okay, FieldySnuts |
| 22:08.41 | Adamn | I'm not just dissing unix |
| 22:08.41 | tarzeau | Danar: then explain, please |
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| 22:08.46 | FieldySnuts | what? |
| 22:08.47 | ThePiratemaster | is anyone gona help me out here? |
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| 22:08.50 | Danar | tarzeau: BSD is open source (the code is available), but i don't think it falls under Open Source |
| 22:08.51 | Adamn | menuet os is a waste compared to windows too |
| 22:08.55 | FieldySnuts | apt: ops Adamn |
| 22:08.55 | apt | hmm... ops adamn is trolling heavily (successfully) |
| 22:09.00 | nvz | apt, forget ops Adamn |
| 22:09.00 | apt | nvz: i forgot ops adamn |
| 22:09.03 | FieldySnuts | nice, someone made apt forget that. |
| 22:09.04 | tarzeau | Danar: bsd is free software |
| 22:09.06 | FieldySnuts | dick heads |
| 22:09.07 | wols- | Danar: BSD is open source |
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| 22:09.18 | FieldySnuts | i can't use dpkg, so if you want it done you'll have to !ops yourself |
| 22:09.20 | sh4dowcat | Adamn: most of the protocols Windows uses to even get on the net are open source in nature |
| 22:09.23 | latvian | i need help with debian, right? so, i installed debian yesterday on my other computer and i'm not quite sure how do i get the Internets to work with it? i got the cable but i cant plug it in anymore, i could plug it in when i had windows. is it some kind of bug? |
| 22:09.31 | sh4dowcat | oh and btw |
| 22:09.33 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: yeah, but the difference is |
| 22:09.33 | FieldySnuts | "internets"? |
| 22:09.36 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: it works well |
| 22:09.36 | Danar | tarzeau: 'free software' implies free as in beer, not free as in freedom. 'open source' has that implication |
| 22:09.38 | sh4dowcat | Windows uses a BSD network stack |
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| 22:09.44 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 22:09.44 | tarzeau | Danar: BULLSHIT |
| 22:09.48 | latvian | seems like the socket has shrunked |
| 22:09.48 | sh4dowcat | without "open source" Windows wouldn't even be able to get online |
| 22:09.49 | nvz | the ops around here have evolved ;) they've been around long enough to know what they are doing |
| 22:09.50 | latvian | could it be true? |
| 22:09.54 | Adamn | haha |
| 22:09.54 | tarzeau | Danar: FREE SOFTWARE IS FREE AS IN FREEDOM |
| 22:09.55 | Adamn | you know |
| 22:10.01 | tarzeau | Danar: and OPEN SOURCE IS BULLSHIT |
| 22:10.01 | FieldySnuts | someone do an !ops for me for christ sake (it ignores me) |
| 22:10.02 | Adamn | i cant believe, you think I'M trolling |
| 22:10.03 | ThePiratemaster | true with shadowcat |
| 22:10.05 | Danar | tarzeau: it's a flaw of the english language. two meanings of 'free' |
| 22:10.05 | FAMM | nvz: Ok, I downloaded the CDBurnerXP, can u help me burning the iso file? ;/ |
| 22:10.10 | nvz | and what they are usualy doing is cooking, and not watching you people |
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| 22:10.11 | FieldySnuts | Adamn: no thinking about it, it's a fact |
| 22:10.13 | wols- | Danar: wrong. but please read a bit more of gnu.org to see the error of your ways. |
| 22:10.13 | ThePiratemaster | google runs on "opensource" |
| 22:10.13 | Adamn | when you're arguing about the definition of FREE AS IN BEER |
| 22:10.15 | sh4dowcat | Adamn: you are |
| 22:10.18 | tarzeau | Danar: and source doesn't give you any damn fucked right |
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| 22:10.20 | Danar | tarzeau: no need to yell |
| 22:10.23 | *** part/#debian bya (~bya@mailhost.ens-lsh.fr) |
| 22:10.23 | h0bbel | sigh |
| 22:10.23 | Adamn | you're arguing about the definition of FREE AS IN BEER |
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| 22:10.30 | Adamn | hah |
| 22:10.30 | tarzeau | Danar: it's annoying me like hell. go read www.gnu.org |
| 22:10.31 | sh4dowcat | Adamn: no, that's YOUR misguided definition of free |
| 22:10.35 | sh4dowcat | !ops Adamn is trolling |
| 22:10.36 | Adamn | what? |
| 22:10.36 | ThePiratemaster | most succesfull searche engine in the world |
| 22:10.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Adamn is trolling |
| 22:10.39 | h0bbel | MS *bought* the BSD tcp-ip stack |
| 22:10.50 | latvian | hey, how much does debian cost? yesterday one linux geek offered me one for $50, he saids its legal and with manual, should i buy it? |
| 22:10.51 | Adamn | !ops sh4dowcat isn't reading what i'm sayting |
| 22:10.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sh4dowcat isn't reading what i'm sayting |
| 22:10.55 | FieldySnuts | what the fuck is going on here |
| 22:10.59 | JRlinux | I take it that #2, 106.9 MB, should be the root partition...The only settings I have for it are "Do Not Use" and "Bootable Flag" (which is off.) I click around but nothing seems to change them.... Sheesh. |
| 22:11.01 | Adamn | !ops -t |
| 22:11.01 | latvian | $50 seems cheap since windows is like $200 |
| 22:11.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: -t |
| 22:11.02 | latvian | hey, how much does debian cost? yesterday one linux geek offered me one for $50, he saids its legal and with manual, should i buy it? |
| 22:11.03 | *** part/#debian bit0 (~Jose@61.Red-80-24-119.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:11.04 | Danar | tarzeau: it's pointless to get worked up over it. you could have pointed me to gnu.org _before_ shouting |
| 22:11.04 | latvian | $50 seems cheap since windows is like $200 |
| 22:11.06 | latvian | hey, how much does debian cost? yesterday one linux geek offered me one for $50, he saids its legal and with manual, should i buy it? |
| 22:11.07 | latvian | $50 seems cheap since windows is like $200 |
| 22:11.10 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: some people can't read what free software means at www.gnu.org |
| 22:11.11 | FAMM | nvz: .... |
| 22:11.14 | wols- | latvian: debian is totally free. it costs nothing. you can download it from www.debian.org |
| 22:11.15 | *** join/#debian DJGummikuh (~studieren@bras-co-85-197-5-32.westend.com) |
| 22:11.16 | FAMM | nvz: wake up plz. |
| 22:11.19 | DJGummikuh | hello |
| 22:11.21 | tarzeau | Danar: true. but isn't it obvious |
| 22:11.22 | wols- | latvian: and now stop trolling |
| 22:11.22 | *** part/#debian skaught (~skaught@S0106000f3d3c620f.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 22:11.23 | DJGummikuh | I need help with encryption |
| 22:11.26 | latvian | wols-? what do you mean with free? |
| 22:11.26 | FieldySnuts | christ where are the ops |
| 22:11.30 | latvian | like trial? |
| 22:11.33 | tarzeau | Danar: i mean this is Debian *GNU*/Linux |
| 22:11.34 | latvian | what is trolling? |
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| 22:11.36 | DJGummikuh | is here anybody that has experience with encryption of boot-critical medias? |
| 22:11.38 | nvz | FAMM: on that program I believe you open a new data track, then goto I think the "Disc" menu where you will find an option something like "Write Cd From ISO Image" might be the record menu *shrug* |
| 22:11.39 | sh4dowcat | the problem abotu windows is that it's unstable like hell |
| 22:11.43 | wols- | latvian: free as in freedom and free as in "does not cost any money" |
| 22:11.44 | Danar | tarzeau: it's not a good idea to use 'free' as in freedom in the english language |
| 22:11.46 | tarzeau | Danar: like GNU IS NOT UNIX FREE SOFTWARE (imagine small letters) |
| 22:11.50 | sh4dowcat | if you're programmed with Windows you know what I'm talking about |
| 22:11.50 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: WELCOME TO 2005 |
| 22:11.52 | latvian | wols-: but has it all the features? |
| 22:11.52 | tarzeau | Danar: yes it is |
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| 22:11.55 | snapple | dude |
| 22:11.56 | latvian | dont i have to register it? |
| 22:11.56 | hoho | hello |
| 22:12.00 | pete_ | whats the support like for promise controllers? |
| 22:12.00 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: windows xp is stable+++ |
| 22:12.02 | snapple | latvian is playing with you |
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| 22:12.06 | JRlinux | wols- I take it that #2, 106.9 MB, should be the root partition...The only settings I have for it are "Do Not Use" and "Bootable Flag" (which is off.) I click around but nothing seems to change them.... Sheesh. |
| 22:12.07 | tarzeau | Danar: i avoid open source "the name" at all cost, and call it Free Software, every time |
| 22:12.08 | sh4dowcat | Adamn: ok then prove it |
| 22:12.09 | wols- | latvian: no registration. and it has features, yes |
| 22:12.11 | snapple | latvian is playing with you |
| 22:12.14 | *** join/#debian hypo (hypo@dD576B529.access.telenet.be) |
| 22:12.16 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: how? |
| 22:12.16 | latvian | wols-: the same as licensed version? |
| 22:12.16 | sh4dowcat | because I can crash Windows NT 5.1 with one line of C |
| 22:12.18 | hoho | can I install debian with this debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 22:12.19 | *** join/#debian Dcoder (~Dcoder@delenn.tky.hut.fi) |
| 22:12.20 | snapple | look at his previous questions |
| 22:12.23 | Danar | tarzeau: the common person thinks free as in beer, not freedom, unless given a specific context where it's obvious |
| 22:12.24 | FieldySnuts | Adamn and latvian are trolling you, if not more |
| 22:12.30 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: LOONIX -> FORKBOMB |
| 22:12.31 | hoho | is it a bootable cd? |
| 22:12.31 | wols- | latvian: there is no "licensed" version. it is legal to download |
| 22:12.31 | tarzeau | Danar: i always explain it how i mean it |
| 22:12.32 | FieldySnuts | and no ops around, cute |
| 22:12.35 | snapple | latvian is playing with you |
| 22:12.38 | tarzeau | Danar: to every common person i talk |
| 22:12.38 | latvian | ??? what do you mean with trolling? |
| 22:12.39 | sh4dowcat | Adamn: prove it |
| 22:12.40 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: WOW, LETS PROTECT AGAINST THAT MAYBE |
| 22:12.44 | orjan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.47 | latvian | wols-: so that means that linux nerd was lying to me? |
| 22:12.48 | Danar | tarzeau: then perhaps you should use "Free software" instead of "free software" ;) |
| 22:12.49 | ThePiratemaster | let me tell u something i did today, my dad need to upgrade some comps on his work so i went with him to the local computer store. Left, there was an windowsXP upgrade pack for 125 euros or so, right there was a suse linux9.3 Pro box for 83 euros |
| 22:12.49 | tarzeau | Danar: again. open source doesn't tell you anything about the license |
| 22:12.50 | FieldySnuts | Adamn: funny. you try that on my system and the process is terminated |
| 22:12.51 | chealer | hoho: yes |
| 22:12.51 | hoho | can I install debian with this debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 22:12.57 | latvian | he said that usually its $100 but he got it for $50 |
| 22:12.57 | Adamn | FieldySnuts: by DEFAULT? |
| 22:13.00 | tarzeau | Danar: only, the source is open to view. no rights. nothing |
| 22:13.03 | Adamn | FieldySnuts: WITHOUT EDITING 23432423 CONFIG FILES? |
| 22:13.09 | FAMM | wols-: pvt me? |
| 22:13.09 | Adamn | FieldySnuts: AND FILLING DEPENDENCIES? |
| 22:13.10 | wols- | JRlinux: some time, the installer will ask you to designate a root partition. then you chose it. also, the 100MB is a bit small for a root partition |
| 22:13.10 | tarzeau | Danar: you don't hear the difference |
| 22:13.11 | FieldySnuts | Adamn: no, thank god. clueless deserve to be fucked. |
| 22:13.14 | Danar | tarheelcox1: 'open source' implies the source is open... |
| 22:13.16 | chealer | !tell hoho about repeat |
| 22:13.19 | *** join/#debian moparfan90_ (~moparfan9@ool-457a66fa.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:13.20 | Adamn | hahah |
| 22:13.21 | sh4dowcat | Adamn: stop using an rpm based distro |
| 22:13.22 | stew | hoho yes |
| 22:13.25 | moparfan90_ | im trying to burn a .ISO of ubuntu and need help. i am using sonic record now and dont know how to make burn so its bootable. any know |
| 22:13.27 | sh4dowcat | there's a reason it's called rpm hell |
| 22:13.31 | *** join/#debian tehdely (delysid@dsl092-130-054.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:13.37 | sh4dowcat | !tell moparfan90_ about ubuntu |
| 22:13.38 | FieldySnuts | ~say !ops Adamn and latvian and others trolling HARD, I had to do ~say because dpkg ignores me and apt got ~ops removed |
| 22:13.38 | apt | !ops Adamn and latvian and others trolling HARD, I had to do ~say because dpkg ignores me and apt got ~ops removed |
| 22:13.38 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: compiling still has dependencies |
| 22:13.40 | latvian | hey, would DEBIAN run on CELERON 466MHZ BOX 32 MB RAM 4 MB VIDEO? |
| 22:13.45 | tarzeau | Danar: open doesn't mean free |
| 22:13.48 | chealer | sh4dowcat: please, #troll-feeding |
| 22:13.48 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: i'm sure debian uses that word too |
| 22:13.50 | Danar | tarzeau: if the source is open, it implies the rights of Free software to someone who doesn't know |
| 22:13.50 | sh4dowcat | Adamn: and they can be pulled in on the fly |
| 22:13.52 | tarzeau | tehdely: hey ;) |
| 22:13.52 | FieldySnuts | eh forget it. let the channel self destruct. |
| 22:13.55 | latvian | hey, would DEBIAN run on CELERON 466MHZ BOX 32 MB RAM 4 MB VIDEO? |
| 22:13.56 | tehdely | tarzeau: hi |
| 22:13.58 | tarzeau | Danar: NO it DOES NOT |
| 22:13.59 | tehdely | ;) |
| 22:14.00 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: windows doesnt need it |
| 22:14.05 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: wow, less network usage |
| 22:14.05 | latvian | hey, would DEBIAN run on CELERON 466MHZ BOX 32 MB RAM 4 MB VIDEO? |
| 22:14.07 | tarzeau | Danar: and it never did |
| 22:14.07 | sh4dowcat | Adamn: lies |
| 22:14.09 | nvz | moparfan90_: ubuntu is not debian, once you start using ubuntu goto #ubuntu. to make an ISO bootable you have to burn it, not put it on the cd. |
| 22:14.09 | latvian | hey, would DEBIAN run on CELERON 466MHZ BOX 32 MB RAM 4 MB VIDEO? |
| 22:14.10 | tarzeau | Danar: you are wrong mister danar |
| 22:14.11 | tehdely | hey guys |
| 22:14.13 | latvian | hey, would DEBIAN run on CELERON 466MHZ BOX 32 MB RAM 4 MB VIDEO? |
| 22:14.13 | tehdely | I heard that GNU is not UNIX |
| 22:14.15 | tehdely | is this true |
| 22:14.15 | sh4dowcat | have you ever even tried comiling anything on Windows? |
| 22:14.15 | tarzeau | latvian: yes |
| 22:14.18 | tehdely | confirm/deny/discuss |
| 22:14.19 | stew | apt: ops (.*?) is Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: (.*?) |
| 22:14.19 | apt | stew: okay |
| 22:14.21 | tarzeau | tehdely: I KILL YOU |
| 22:14.22 | wols- | sh4dowcat: stfu. you are being trolled majorly |
| 22:14.23 | latvian | tarzeau: thanks for attention |
| 22:14.30 | jethro | !lart latvian |
| 22:14.32 | latvian | tarzeau: wont it be slow? |
| 22:14.37 | JRlinux | wols- I guess I need to go back further? Or going ahead, past the big red screen will all me to so designate? Should I make it 200 MB in size? |
| 22:14.41 | tarzeau | latvian: yes it will |
| 22:14.45 | chealer | tehdely: hehehe :) |
| 22:14.46 | JRlinux | allow |
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| 22:14.53 | sh4dowcat | wols-: not really |
| 22:14.54 | latvian | tarzeau: i heard that you cant play games with unix, is it true? |
| 22:14.58 | latvian | can i play cunter-strike? |
| 22:15.02 | tarzeau | latvian: bullshit. i play nethack everyday |
| 22:15.04 | sh4dowcat | we've already proved that Adamn has no freaking clue of what he's talking about |
| 22:15.08 | latvian | whats nethack????????/ |
| 22:15.13 | jethro | tarzeau: don't feed the troll |
| 22:15.14 | DJGummikuh | is here anybody that has experience with encryption of boot-critical medias? |
| 22:15.17 | wols- | tarzeau: he's a troll. please stop |
| 22:15.21 | FAMM | IAM DYING GUYS. SOMEONE HELP ME BURNING IT, LOST 3 CDS TILL NOW... |
| 22:15.25 | sh4dowcat | if you've ever compiled anything in Windows that requires third party libs |
| 22:15.25 | latvian | but does cunter strike runs on unix? |
| 22:15.26 | Adamn | DJGummikuh: use windows |
| 22:15.29 | Adamn | DJGummikuh: problem solve |
| 22:15.31 | sh4dowcat | you'll know it's a pain |
| 22:15.31 | Adamn | DJGummikuh: problem solved |
| 22:15.33 | tehdely | haha, this is such a clusterfuck |
| 22:15.34 | Danar | tarzeau: yes, it does. if you say 'free software' to the average person, they'll think of programs they don't have to buy. if you say 'open source' then it implies more in the direction of Free software |
| 22:15.39 | DJGummikuh | Adamn you're kidding right? |
| 22:15.39 | FieldySnuts | tehdely: i'll say. |
| 22:15.42 | Adamn | DJGummikuh: no |
| 22:15.45 | Adamn | DJGummikuh: deadly serious |
| 22:15.47 | grendal_prime | wols-, I really like the way you can tie in the auth to you postgresql server |
| 22:15.49 | wols- | DJGummikuh: he's a troll. don't play his game |
| 22:15.52 | tarzeau | Danar: no, that's wrong |
| 22:15.52 | grendal_prime | that is flat out bitchen |
| 22:15.53 | moparfan90_ | im trying to burn a .ISO of debian and need help. i am using sonic record now and dont know how to make burn so its bootable. any know please help me |
| 22:15.55 | DJGummikuh | isnt this supposed to be a LINUX channel? |
| 22:15.56 | unix | what is the difference between lunix an dunix? |
| 22:15.57 | Adamn | wols- is trolling |
| 22:15.57 | sh4dowcat | DJGummikuh: Adamn is a troll |
| 22:15.57 | Danar | tarzeau: unless you're talking to someone a bit more tech savvy |
| 22:15.58 | unix | what is the difference between lunix an dunix? |
| 22:16.00 | unix | what is the difference between lunix an dunix? |
| 22:16.00 | tarzeau | Danar: please go read www.gnu.org. i disagree |
| 22:16.02 | Adamn | i'm helpful |
| 22:16.02 | jethro | DJGummikuh: he's a troll don't listen to him |
| 22:16.04 | unix | what is the difference between lunix an dunix? |
| 22:16.08 | tarzeau | Danar: absolutely not. you are so wrong |
| 22:16.11 | DJGummikuh | is there at least somebody that can tell me where to ask for help? |
| 22:16.11 | JacksonBrown | unix: Lunix is shit? |
| 22:16.12 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 22:16.20 | tarzeau | Danar: i can talk to my aunt about free software, and she understands |
| 22:16.20 | wols- | grendal_prime: yes postgres is good. there is a great howto about it but it's a big kind of installation using mysql. but very good |
| 22:16.26 | Adamn | Danar: try the internet |
| 22:16.29 | Overand | !troll JacksonBrown |
| 22:16.30 | tehdely | i see in #debian it is customary to say "NAME is a troll" instead of loudly belching " /ignore NAME" (HEHE TAHT SPACE MSUT'VE BEEN ACCIDENTAL) |
| 22:16.32 | wols- | grendal_prime: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 22:16.35 | Adamn | !troll Overand |
| 22:16.35 | tehdely | both are noise |
| 22:16.36 | Danar | Adamn: huh? |
| 22:16.40 | unix | !troll Overand |
| 22:16.41 | *** part/#debian falso (nobody@a81-84-235-165.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:16.43 | JacksonBrown | Overand: how so? |
| 22:16.47 | JacksonBrown | !troll overand |
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| 22:16.54 | sh4dowcat | ok this is getting out of hand |
| 22:16.56 | unix | how do i play counter strike on debian |
| 22:16.59 | unix | how do i play counter strike on DEBIAN |
| 22:17.02 | FieldySnuts | DICK_CHENEY: how's your heart? |
| 22:17.07 | Overand | !troll unix |
| 22:17.07 | JacksonBrown | unix: install Windows, problem solved |
| 22:17.07 | grendal_prime | i use postgresql everyday...i have based cashregisters on it..and customer tracking systems on it as well |
| 22:17.08 | JacksonBrown | unix: install Windows, problem solved |
| 22:17.09 | JacksonBrown | unix: install Windows, problem solved |
| 22:17.10 | FieldySnuts | unix: huh? who knows, ask them |
| 22:17.11 | grendal_prime | its a rock |
| 22:17.15 | wols- | sh4dowcat: I told you you were trolled, but you didn't believe me |
| 22:17.22 | JacksonBrown | !troll Debian |
| 22:17.26 | JacksonBrown | !troll Linux |
| 22:17.27 | sh4dowcat | uhh |
| 22:17.28 | tarzeau | helix: can you clean up a bit? |
| 22:17.29 | JacksonBrown | !troll OSS |
| 22:17.33 | Adamn | haha |
| 22:17.34 | wols- | it's atypical GNAA fuckfest now |
| 22:17.35 | tehdely | hahahaha |
| 22:17.35 | FieldySnuts | helix: help ;( |
| 22:17.35 | JacksonBrown | OS X TULES |
| 22:17.38 | Overand | ok this is getting ridiculous |
| 22:17.38 | tehdely | ok, that is funny |
| 22:17.44 | chealer | !ops op badly needed |
| 22:17.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: op badly needed |
| 22:17.49 | FieldySnuts | wols-: how do you know it's gnaa? |
| 22:17.49 | Adamn | wols-: dont discriminate against us |
| 22:17.52 | unix | anyway, i was in the chat earlier and this "H1tLeR" guy came to me and he said something like this |
| 22:17.53 | unix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.54 | unix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.54 | unix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.54 | unix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.54 | unix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.54 | *** kick/#debian [unix!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 22:17.54 | FieldySnuts | sh4dowcat: i tried. twice. forget about it |
| 22:17.55 | FAMM | SOMEONE HELP ME PLEASE |
| 22:17.55 | JacksonBrown | !ops gie |
| 22:17.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gie |
| 22:17.58 | JacksonBrown | !ops DIE |
| 22:17.58 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: it is |
| 22:17.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DIE |
| 22:17.58 | tehdely | sh4dowcat: lilo is in every channel on freenode |
| 22:17.59 | FieldySnuts | FAMM: shut up. |
| 22:18.00 | Adamn | wols-: calm down |
| 22:18.01 | tehdely | perhaps he can be bothered from lunch |
| 22:18.02 | grendal_prime | i even purchased HMS's admin tool...wich makes table creation and query creation much easyer |
| 22:18.05 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: how the hell do you know |
| 22:18.06 | wols- | FieldySnuts: just guess with the spammers not so long ago |
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| 22:18.10 | Adamn | !troll linus torvalds |
| 22:18.10 | DICK_CHENEY | LOL @ SEX HORSE DISTRO |
| 22:18.11 | FieldySnuts | wols-: true |
| 22:18.18 | FieldySnuts | DICK_CHENEY: how's your heart? |
| 22:18.19 | sh4dowcat | hmm fine |
| 22:18.22 | Overand | I've never seen this channel get this bad. |
| 22:18.26 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i can't |
| 22:18.27 | DICK_CHENEY | FieldySnuts: DIRTY SPIE> |
| 22:18.29 | chealer | ok, let's DDoS this guy |
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| 22:18.33 | sh4dowcat | maybe a few 100mbps connections will shut Adamn up |
| 22:18.36 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: but hey were here, 2 - 3 times already today |
| 22:18.38 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: WOW, THAT MUST BE LIKE |
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| 22:18.39 | znx | sh4dowcat: heh |
| 22:18.40 | sh4dowcat | chealer: I'm almost inclined to agree |
| 22:18.42 | FieldySnuts | sh4dowcat: don't stoop to their level |
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| 22:18.45 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: THE ONLY USE FOR LOONIX |
| 22:18.53 | FieldySnuts | chealer: wh? |
| 22:18.55 | FieldySnuts | who |
| 22:19.00 | sh4dowcat | Adamn: would you like me to root your shell instead? |
| 22:19.01 | Adamn | sh4dowcat: CAUSE ITS EASY TO TAKEOVER |
| 22:19.05 | unix | WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LINUX AND UNIX? PLEASE HELP, I NEED THIS FOR MY PROJECT!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LINUX AND UNIX? PLEASE HELP, I NEED THIS FOR MY PROJECT!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LINUX AND UNIX? PLEASE HELP, I NEED THIS FOR MY PROJECT!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LINUX AND UNIX? PLEASE HELP, I NEED THIS FOR MY PROJECT!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LINUX AND UNIX? PLEASE HELP, I NEED THIS FOR MY PROJECT!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFER |
| 22:19.06 | chealer | FieldySnuts: the troll |
| 22:19.07 | unix | WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LINUX AND UNIX? PLEASE HELP, I NEED THIS FOR MY PROJECT!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LINUX AND UNIX? PLEASE HELP, I NEED THIS FOR MY PROJECT!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LINUX AND UNIX? PLEASE HELP, I NEED THIS FOR MY PROJECT!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LINUX AND UNIX? PLEASE HELP, I NEED THIS FOR MY PROJECT!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LINUX AND UNIX? PLEASE HELP, I NEED THIS FOR MY PROJECT!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFER |
| 22:19.11 | foo | heh |
| 22:19.12 | *** mode/#debian [+m] by lilo |
| 22:19.19 | *** join/#debian unix (~teh@159.148.29.36) |
| 22:19.26 | lilo | gosh, bye ;) |
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| 22:20.36 | *** mode/#debian [-m] by lilo |
| 22:20.38 | scar_ | can I redo the network configuration routine that has being done through installation? (this *graphical * interface) |
| 22:20.40 | lilo | okay, who am I missing? |
| 22:20.45 | DJGummikuh | such an idiot |
| 22:20.47 | wols- | Adamn |
| 22:20.50 | chealer | lilo: Adamn could be +qed or kicked |
| 22:20.51 | Adamn | wols-: |
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| 22:20.55 | lilo | (and if I made any mistakes, let me know |
| 22:20.56 | chealer | thanks already |
| 22:20.57 | Adamn | stop abusing me |
| 22:21.01 | znx | score another to lilo |
| 22:21.04 | jethro | !aolify Adamn |
| 22:21.04 | DJGummikuh | adamn go home |
| 22:21.09 | lilo | anything else? |
| 22:21.11 | JacksonBrown | hello? |
| 22:21.15 | sh4dowcat | no not really |
| 22:21.18 | wols- | JacksonBrown: |
| 22:21.18 | stew | lilo: JacksonBrown |
| 22:21.18 | DJGummikuh | thankyou lilo :) |
| 22:21.18 | sh4dowcat | now we're fine |
| 22:21.18 | lilo | kay |
| 22:21.21 | wols- | latvian |
| 22:21.22 | jethro | thanks lilo |
| 22:21.22 | sh4dowcat | thanks lilo |
| 22:21.23 | rking | why did i get -v'd? |
| 22:21.24 | rking | hrm |
| 22:21.25 | lilo | if I made any mistakes, just please let me know |
| 22:21.25 | tehdely | ha, it is like a gnaa inquisition in here |
| 22:21.29 | blue9 | heh, fixed my issues (I reinstalled and stuck with the 2.4 kernel) |
| 22:21.29 | tehdely | name names |
| 22:21.34 | DJGummikuh | now if somebody could help me with my cryptsetup problem I would be perfectly happy |
| 22:21.36 | wols- | tehdely |
| 22:21.38 | chealer | lilo: you can start the next fundraiser now |
| 22:21.40 | Overand | lilo: i think tehdely might have just stepped up to the plate |
| 22:21.41 | znx | sh4dowcat: :D |
| 22:21.41 | FieldySnuts | too bad the channel ops couldn't handle this geez |
| 22:21.42 | hoho | hello |
| 22:21.47 | tehdely | i am just having a laugh, ignore me |
| 22:21.51 | moparfan90_ | hello |
| 22:21.53 | sh4dowcat | I think the ops are sleeping :/ |
| 22:21.54 | scar_ | can I redo the network configuration routine that has being done through installation? (this *graphical * interface) |
| 22:21.57 | ThePiratemaster | UNIX, GOOGLE!!!!! |
| 22:22.09 | JacksonBrown | HOW DO I BROWSE WEB? |
| 22:22.11 | tarzeau | scar_: man 5 interfaces |
| 22:22.13 | hoho | anyone know if debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso is a boot disc to install debian |
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| 22:22.18 | sh4dowcat | JacksonBrown: lay it off |
| 22:22.19 | wols- | lilo: you missed JacksonBrown |
| 22:22.20 | tarzeau | scar_: no you have to edit 21341234 config files to use LOONIX |
| 22:22.22 | PerfDave | scar_: apt-get install etherconf |
| 22:22.27 | tehdely | Limux. |
| 22:22.32 | lun | more like, apt-get install windowsxp |
| 22:22.32 | sh4dowcat | and scar_ |
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| 22:22.35 | hoho | eh |
| 22:22.38 | sh4dowcat | jeez |
| 22:22.41 | Overand | alright let's try to offer some real help here people |
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| 22:22.43 | chealer | hoho: it is |
| 22:22.47 | PerfDave | hoho: The Debian 3.1 installation manual knows ;) |
| 22:22.47 | Pryon | hoho: looks like it |
| 22:22.48 | wols- | tarzeau: cut it! |
| 22:22.51 | inxs | what's the best pcmcia wireless card for Debian? |
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| 22:22.59 | Overand | inxs: the WL110 series work really nicely |
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| 22:23.07 | Overand | I think that's an orinoco chipset, i don't remember |
| 22:23.12 | inxs | thx Overand |
| 22:23.18 | Overand | It worked out of the box on sarge for me |
| 22:23.26 | lunis | hmm |
| 22:23.30 | roquefort | help to chat please in debian how i installed bitch-x rpm? |
| 22:23.31 | lunis | i installed debian sarge |
| 22:23.32 | Overand | even during the install, no command line work needed at all, very surprising |
| 22:23.34 | wols- | DJGummikuh: you will need to do some initrd magic. it will suck. best bet is probably to google for a howto. I'm sure it exists |
| 22:23.40 | lunis | but i cant get my second tft monitor |
| 22:23.41 | lunis | to work |
| 22:23.43 | tarzeau | roquefort: just apt-get install bitchx ? |
| 22:23.43 | wols- | DJGummikuh: but probably for an outdated kernel |
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| 22:23.48 | scar_ | tarzeau, I just edited the /etc/network/interfaces .... it works quite fine but when I try to use vpnc things don't work the way it should be. that's why I ask if it's possible to redo the installation routine |
| 22:23.52 | lunis | i read the x docs |
| 22:23.56 | inxs | had to use linuxant trial to get my Orinoco abg card to work on sarge |
| 22:24.02 | lunis | and tried to configure it |
| 22:24.04 | roquefort | thanks much now i can download porn on free os HEHEHE |
| 22:24.07 | Overand | roquefort: debian doesn't use RPMs, it uses .deb, and a command to install an app is "apt-get install appname" but you'll |
| 22:24.08 | tarzeau | scar_: not afaik, and no idea on vpnc |
| 22:24.09 | lunis | but now X dont work |
| 22:24.12 | lunis | halp |
| 22:24.13 | roquefort | tarzeau where can find goat-on-sheep xdcc |
| 22:24.16 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone help me with the connection problem,my server doesnt accept any connections |
| 22:24.17 | Overand | hm |
| 22:24.17 | roquefort | hot xdcc with !list !search ? |
| 22:24.20 | lunis | it worked on windows |
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| 22:24.25 | sh4dowcat | oh jeez |
| 22:24.25 | roquefort | that work in debian gnu linux? |
| 22:24.25 | JacksonBrown | HOW TO GET BROADCOM CHIPSET TO WORK IN PPC DEBIAN? |
| 22:24.30 | lunis | card is matrox g400+ |
| 22:24.32 | sh4dowcat | !ops help |
| 22:24.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: help |
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| 22:24.37 | scar_ | tarzeau, okay, thanks anyway. |
| 22:24.41 | FieldySnuts | fucking shit. |
| 22:24.41 | stew | JacksonBrown: /join #debianppc |
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| 22:24.50 | lilo | JacksonBrown, are you still here? ;) |
| 22:24.50 | tarzeau | stew: it's a GNAA troll |
| 22:24.52 | Overand | 18:24 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from JacksonBrown: X-Chat Aqua 0.14.0 (xchat 2.4.3) Darwin 8.1.0 [Power Macintosh/999.00MHz] |
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| 22:24.59 | lilo | bye now ;) |
| 22:25.00 | chealer | lilo: thanks |
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| 22:25.02 | *** kick/#debian [cliffburton!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (Banned: join flood) |
| 22:25.03 | lilo | anybody else? |
| 22:25.08 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: it's not. but it's a horrible day |
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| 22:25.12 | lunis | card is matrox g400+ |
| 22:25.12 | chealer | I don't think so |
| 22:25.13 | wols- | lilo: roquefort |
| 22:25.18 | roquefort | what, stop hate |
| 22:25.21 | lilo | is roquefort one? |
| 22:25.23 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 22:25.24 | roquefort | i ask for debian help with irc |
| 22:25.25 | Overand | roquefort may just be a little slow |
| 22:25.26 | lilo | more input please |
| 22:25.26 | roquefort | i get help, to |
| 22:25.27 | lilo | kay |
| 22:25.30 | roquefort | not even complained |
| 22:25.32 | lilo | let me know on roquefort |
| 22:25.32 | Overand | harsd to tell |
| 22:25.35 | FieldySnuts | roquefort is just slow, no crime |
| 22:25.35 | Overand | yeah |
| 22:25.35 | roquefort | thanks tarzeau for comand |
| 22:25.41 | sh4dowcat | lilo: the problem is that the guy has shells |
| 22:25.45 | FieldySnuts | where the hell are the ops anyway, you shouldn't have to deal with this. |
| 22:25.46 | sh4dowcat | and he's using them now |
| 22:25.47 | tarzeau | 00:24 < roquefort> tarzeau where can find goat-on-sheep xdcc |
| 22:25.50 | lilo | sh4dowcat: they all do |
| 22:25.51 | wols- | FieldySnuts: okay. my trigger is a bit sensitive right now |
| 22:25.53 | tarzeau | lilo: i'd remove roquefort |
| 22:25.59 | Pryon | lunis |
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| 22:26.01 | roquefort | tarzeau: you are racist against french |
| 22:26.06 | lunis | Pryon |
| 22:26.07 | FieldySnuts | ..... |
| 22:26.07 | roquefort | that = racism |
| 22:26.09 | lilo | tarzeau: I know they play long-term games, but |
| 22:26.10 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone help me with the connection problem,my server doesnt accept any connections and i have no idea why |
| 22:26.10 | lilo | wait |
| 22:26.11 | Overand | roquefort: right now the channel is being 'attacked' by people who're being obnoxious and silly, and starting arguments, scrolling, etc. So it's not a good time to joke around, you might get mistaken for one of them. |
| 22:26.12 | FieldySnuts | oh shtu p. |
| 22:26.18 | PerfDave | The problem is that there's no damn ops in #debian :/ |
| 22:26.19 | roquefort | oh :( |
| 22:26.32 | lilo | roquefort: no one has the patience, and if you're GNAA, please simmer for another half hour, ktnx ;) |
| 22:26.35 | sh4dowcat | PerfDave: out of 800 people you'd think that some would be awake |
| 22:26.36 | lunis | lilo: ircop is more trouble than it worth? :))) |
| 22:26.37 | tarzeau | roquefort: i'm not racist, and i'm not french |
| 22:26.41 | tarzeau | roquefort: take that back! |
| 22:26.50 | Overand | ffs tarzeau, hahah |
| 22:26.53 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: telnet to port 22 of your server. if you get a connection but nothing further works, then your server is fine |
| 22:26.55 | Danar | this kind of thing was going on in #firefox too... |
| 22:26.56 | lilo | lunis: nah, I knew the job was not the easiest one 8) |
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| 22:27.03 | sh4dowcat | GNAA attacked our channel over on efnet as well |
| 22:27.07 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: also check with netstat -anp on your server if sshd is really running |
| 22:27.13 | sh4dowcat | we banned 12 countries I think to get rid of them |
| 22:27.21 | sh4dowcat | and they're still banned |
| 22:27.22 | stew | broken_chaos: kindly disable that in this channel |
| 22:27.22 | tarzeau | sh4dowcat: how many people on efnet deb? |
| 22:27.30 | chealer | Danar: #firefox isn't nearly as crowded as #debian |
| 22:27.30 | Pryon | lunis: sorry, bad nick completion |
| 22:27.36 | sh4dowcat | tarzeau: around 100 or so |
| 22:27.42 | empty | gnaa = ? |
| 22:27.43 | broken_chaos | stew: Sorry. |
| 22:27.45 | sh4dowcat | but I op in #windowsxp |
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| 22:27.52 | Danar | chealer: yeah, but it's the first time i'd seen it in #firefox. and it went on for at least 2 days |
| 22:27.58 | sh4dowcat | they were attacking us for months |
| 22:27.58 | tarzeau | empty: gay nigger association of america |
| 22:28.01 | lunis | sh4dowcat: are u a troll? |
| 22:28.08 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck tarzeau for spelling it out |
| 22:28.10 | chealer | Danar: 2 days?! wow |
| 22:28.13 | empty | tarzeau, splendid |
| 22:28.21 | FieldySnuts | boy, all the meat being taken out of apt huh? |
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| 22:28.21 | wols- | empty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNAA |
| 22:28.25 | FieldySnuts | no ~ops no ~fuck |
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| 22:28.33 | lilo | keep me posted |
| 22:28.33 | lunis | wols- are you a membr |
| 22:28.35 | Danar | chealer: one guy kept joining through proxies, and spamming |
| 22:28.35 | lilo | via /msg though |
| 22:28.36 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: yes we are a children friendly channel! |
| 22:28.37 | FieldySnuts | you know, you guys are ADVERTISING For them, please stop |
| 22:28.45 | wols- | lunis: no. are you? |
| 22:28.49 | lunis | no |
| 22:28.49 | tarzeau | lilo: lunix is one |
| 22:28.52 | tarzeau | lunis |
| 22:28.59 | lunis | i think they did funny things though |
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| 22:29.01 | deepan | should man pages sources in tarball me attached as EXTRA_DIST... apart from being mentioned "man_MANS=<source name>" |
| 22:29.12 | lunis | stopping piracy with that macosx thing was good |
| 22:29.14 | Morti | How do I setuid root something? |
| 22:29.15 | lilo | lunis: people here figure you're one of them ;) |
| 22:29.18 | tarzeau | deepan: i put them into debian/manpages |
| 22:29.20 | chealer | Danar: can you do that without special access to these proxies or what? |
| 22:29.22 | sara_poo | I have to install DB2, and I don't feel like installing red hat or suse. But I have a but load of RPM's to deal with. |
| 22:29.29 | peterS | deepan: that's an automake question, not a debian question. I bet you won't get any useful answers here |
| 22:29.29 | sara_poo | any suggestions? |
| 22:29.35 | wols- | Morti: chmod a+s <file> |
| 22:29.43 | Danar | chealer: yes... |
| 22:29.45 | PerfDave | sara_poo: Use the Debian packages for DB2? |
| 22:29.46 | orjan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.48 | tarzeau | lilo: he is one for sure: 00:29 [gnu] -!- ircname : Control my fate |
| 22:29.51 | Danar | chealer: there's lots of open proxies out there |
| 22:29.57 | tarzeau | lilo: they all seem to have that irc name |
| 22:30.00 | wols- | sara_poo: use alien to create tar.gz to install it. and: good luck |
| 22:30.02 | Danar | chealer: i'm using one now :p |
| 22:30.02 | ThePiratemaster | http://unknown.nl.eu.org/apache2-default/ apache seems to work now O_O? |
| 22:30.05 | sara_poo | PerfDave, huh? IBM only had RPM's, and only supports SUSE/Red Hat |
| 22:30.07 | ThePiratemaster | after ap ortscan |
| 22:30.07 | Morti | wols-: If I do that can I still get the name of the user who runs the script? |
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| 22:30.12 | lunis | tarzeau: it's from a song |
| 22:30.12 | m0th | i'm looking for a stable dvd writing solution which is not cdrecord and similar, any recommendations? |
| 22:30.14 | TheStick | howdy! :) |
| 22:30.14 | PerfDave | sara_poo: apt-cache search db2 |
| 22:30.17 | ThePiratemaster | only 80 is open |
| 22:30.17 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 22:30.18 | sara_poo | PerfDave, IBM DB2 UDB, universal database |
| 22:30.19 | tarzeau | lunis: only GNAA people have that |
| 22:30.25 | tarzeau | lunis: your other friends had it too |
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| 22:30.29 | lunis | tarzeau: that seems illogical |
| 22:30.32 | wols- | Morti: not sure |
| 22:30.40 | sh4dowcat | m0th: k3b |
| 22:30.40 | sara_poo | PerfDave, not berkley one... |
| 22:30.45 | tarzeau | lunis: INFIDEL! IF I HAD OP YOU'D BE LONG GONE |
| 22:30.46 | lunis | tarzeau: you use linux too |
| 22:30.52 | tarzeau | lunis: no i use OPENSTEP |
| 22:30.54 | wols- | m0th: ahead nero for linux. but it's payware. nothing else exists |
| 22:30.55 | PerfDave | sara_poo: In that case, just use the .tar.gz and /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 22:31.02 | lunis | tarzeau: why? is it better? |
| 22:31.03 | m0th | sh4dowcat, no kde availabe |
| 22:31.14 | PerfDave | m0th: Install it? :) |
| 22:31.17 | tarzeau | lunis: yes, much better |
| 22:31.23 | lunis | tarzeau: how come? |
| 22:31.28 | m0th | wols-, ah thanks i remember having a extra goodie for this one ;) |
| 22:31.31 | Wyzard | Ooh, GCC 4.0 transition :-) |
| 22:31.31 | lunis | tarzeau: will it work with my 2 moniros? |
| 22:31.32 | sh4dowcat | you don't need kde for k3b |
| 22:31.34 | tarzeau | lunis: you know the config files? |
| 22:31.34 | wols- | tarzeau: stop feeding him. make him crapflood again at which point lilo is so helpful and makes him go away |
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| 22:31.39 | m0th | PerfDave, no way i'm using ion3 |
| 22:31.41 | sh4dowcat | you just need kdelibs |
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| 22:31.48 | lunis | wols-: i dont crapflood |
| 22:31.48 | redtt | you all see the slashdot post? |
| 22:31.49 | sara_poo | PerfDave, there is not a tar.gz, there is a script, that i've modified to include --nodeps in the rpm, but i keep getting an error "Use alien instead" type of thing |
| 22:31.52 | peterS | Wyzard: yep. coming to us live via ftp.debian.org! |
| 22:31.52 | lunis | wols-: i just want help |
| 22:31.57 | TheStick | m0th: wow, you're a real 1337!! :D |
| 22:32.00 | sh4dowcat | lunis: with all do respect |
| 22:32.02 | sh4dowcat | shut up |
| 22:32.02 | TheStick | I use KDE :þ |
| 22:32.04 | lunis | wols-: i cant get my second monitor to work |
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| 22:32.14 | PerfDave | m0th: You don't need to run KDE to use k3b. |
| 22:32.19 | lunis | sh4dowcat: i cam here cause i heard the open source community was good |
| 22:32.22 | lunis | thanks alot. |
| 22:32.22 | sh4dowcat | !ops please get rid of lunis |
| 22:32.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please get rid of lunis |
| 22:32.33 | FieldySnuts | lunis: please die. |
| 22:32.33 | foo | I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfre86 and it doesn't modify my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file ... I checked the md5sums, they are the same.. still it's not writing, any ideas? |
| 22:32.33 | lunis | telling me to shut up |
| 22:32.35 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone be of some assistence configuring iptyables to allow ssh O_O |
| 22:32.37 | lunis | stop abusing !ops |
| 22:32.38 | sh4dowcat | lunis: yeah yeah sure sure whatever |
| 22:32.45 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: why can't we have ops, if the others don't remove the MORONS? |
| 22:32.48 | rking | i'd like to make a package that is just an empty package with a bunch of dependencies, what doc should i read? |
| 22:32.52 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: hell if i know |
| 22:32.55 | lunis | sh4dowcat: maybe the ops ignored it because of abuse |
| 22:32.56 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: please post the output of "iptables -L" in #flood |
| 22:32.59 | lunis | by u |
| 22:33.02 | PerfDave | sara_poo: Then try using alien instead? :) |
| 22:33.04 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: this place starts to suck, when greycat is not around |
| 22:33.08 | tarzeau | lilo: DO SOMETHING! |
| 22:33.10 | sh4dowcat | sigh |
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| 22:33.12 | abrotman | !tell lunis about u |
| 22:33.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's a bot |
| 22:33.22 | lunis | FieldySnuts = tarzeau |
| 22:33.23 | sh4dowcat | I've had just about enough of this |
| 22:33.23 | ThePiratemaster | tnx woIs |
| 22:33.29 | FieldySnuts | lunis: eat shit |
| 22:33.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's a good bot |
| 22:33.30 | wols- | abrotman: he's a GNAA troll |
| 22:33.39 | ThePiratemaster | will the be alot of text? |
| 22:33.50 | ThePiratemaster | since the server doesnt have an IRC-client |
| 22:33.51 | kaol | rking: new maintainer's guide |
| 22:33.53 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: yes .. lots |
| 22:33.53 | redtt | is the lack of debian security updates only for version 3.1? |
| 22:33.54 | wols- | ThePiratemaster: not if you didn't do anything with iptables |
| 22:33.56 | lunis | u are wrong |
| 22:33.58 | rking | kaol: k - thanks! |
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| 22:34.04 | sara_poo | PerfDave, I'll have to modify quite a bit of the DB2 install script, but it's worth a try. Better then installing suse.... |
| 22:34.06 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: dump it to a file .. move the file to your workstation |
| 22:34.08 | sh4dowcat | redtt: not too many security updates yet |
| 22:34.10 | lunis | u should be helpful like u said u are |
| 22:34.12 | FieldySnuts | lunis: you go right ahead, and prove that mr tough guy |
| 22:34.17 | FieldySnuts | and learn to spell YOU |
| 22:34.21 | sh4dowcat | lunis: don't make me get half of efnet on your tail |
| 22:34.23 | beardy | !u |
| 22:34.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:34.23 | redtt | i mean are my old deb boxen still getting updates? |
| 22:34.24 | lunis | i no how to spell u |
| 22:34.25 | tarzeau | sh4dowcat: i have have some feeling redtt is a trollbot too |
| 22:34.25 | abrotman | no ops to be found eh ? |
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| 22:34.26 | sh4dowcat | I can find lots of gnaa haters |
| 22:34.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: no :( |
| 22:34.32 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: it's been like this a half hour solid. |
| 22:34.39 | lunis | sh4dowcat: why are u threatening me? |
| 22:34.39 | abrotman | and if you stop addressing him ? |
| 22:34.41 | redtt | i am not a troll sheesh |
| 22:34.42 | sh4dowcat | tarzeau: I'm about to call up people on efnet |
| 22:34.43 | lunis | sh4dowcat: what did i do? |
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| 22:34.47 | wols- | abrotman: no. and all the idiots here are trolled like freshmen |
| 22:34.50 | dijjas | how do i unzip a file (something.tar.gz) tar gives me a segmentation fault |
| 22:34.51 | [machine] | guys, please be careful how you deal with him, last time you k-lined me too |
| 22:34.53 | lunis | sh4dowcat: this is freenode |
| 22:34.55 | sh4dowcat | there are lots of people who hate gnaa with a passion |
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| 22:35.02 | rking | kind of ironic considering the zdnet article about debian having security problems. =) |
| 22:35.04 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
| 22:35.10 | ThePiratemaster | crap i gotta split |
| 22:35.10 | FieldySnuts | sh4dowcat: you fuckin think so? |
| 22:35.16 | wols- | sh4dowcat: for this alone you should be kicked here. one doesn't threaten others with abuse. not even trolls |
| 22:35.19 | redtt | i was just curoius cause i havet tons of oldere deb boxen |
| 22:35.24 | ThePiratemaster | tnx anyway wols |
| 22:35.27 | sh4dowcat | wols-: I haven't done that |
| 22:35.31 | FieldySnuts | lunis: I still haven't seen you prove that I am tarzeau, if you can't back your words up, shut the f*ck up |
| 22:35.34 | PerfDave | dijjas: Are you using tar -z ? |
| 22:35.34 | JRlinux | wols- Problem with Debian Sarge netinstall. It exited from base install with error #2. Maybe that is because the root partition is too small? It is 106.9 MB. But it would not alow me to enlarge it. If it needs to be larger, I will have to go to another partitioning program, I guess. |
| 22:35.38 | ThePiratemaster | bye |
| 22:35.40 | sara_poo | whoa, am I on AOL ? |
| 22:35.43 | lunis | FieldySnuts: remove umode |
| 22:35.43 | wols- | sh4dowcat: I said even threatening is enough. this is script kiddie behaviour |
| 22:35.50 | m0th | stumbled upon http://graveman.tuxfamily.org/ |
| 22:35.53 | redtt | sara_poo, i know this is nutz |
| 22:35.56 | FieldySnuts | lunis: no, you made the accusation here, you can prove it here |
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| 22:36.01 | FieldySnuts | lunis: alternatively, take it back |
| 22:36.01 | abrotman | did anyone ask the ircop channel ? |
| 22:36.01 | lunis | how can i get my second monitor work |
| 22:36.03 | sh4dowcat | wols-: alright understood |
| 22:36.05 | lunis | lilo: nevar |
| 22:36.05 | dijjas | anyone? |
| 22:36.05 | tehdely | i wish ilias lazaridis used irc |
| 22:36.06 | christel | [machine]: we'll try to avoid klining you again, ill buy you a beer to make up for the first time ;) |
| 22:36.08 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: it's a fucking bot. stop wasting your time |
| 22:36.09 | tehdely | he would put these trolls to shame |
| 22:36.14 | black_Nightmare | one question re debian ~~~ how good would it be with -isa- creative soundblaster cards? |
| 22:36.16 | FieldySnuts | no it isn't |
| 22:36.19 | lunis | how can i get my second monitor work? |
| 22:36.20 | mogorman | hello where would i go to rsync all the debian/pool/main packages for sarge? |
| 22:36.22 | tarzeau | tehdely: i wish some fucking damned OP APPEARED |
| 22:36.22 | lunis | with devian |
| 22:36.24 | lunis | debian |
| 22:36.25 | beardy | dijjas: zip is not tar.gz. For a foo.tar.gz file, 'tar xvzf foo.tar.gz'. 'man tar' / 'info tar' TO unzip a zip file, 'man unzip' |
| 22:36.36 | tarzeau | lilo: why can't you just remove some guys we tell you to remove? |
| 22:36.37 | wols- | black_Nightmare: just as good as any linux. they will work |
| 22:36.41 | abrotman | did anyone ask the ircop channel ? |
| 22:36.45 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: because it's his decision? |
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| 22:36.52 | PerfDave | black_Nightmare: Depends how well they're supported by Linux, really. I wouldn't imagine you'd have many problems. |
| 22:36.53 | raf256__ | what happened - why ops where needed ;) ? |
| 22:36.55 | sh4dowcat | abrotman: we had lilo here a while ago |
| 22:36.55 | wols- | black_Nightmare: it might not work out of the box automatically tho: this is ISA after all |
| 22:36.56 | black_Nightmare | wols- hmm well here is a question.... |
| 22:36.57 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: we tried to get the attention of every single op, tno no avail |
| 22:36.59 | lunis | FieldySnuts: stop talking to yourself, it doesnt help |
| 22:37.04 | FieldySnuts | lunis: fuck off |
| 22:37.08 | tarzeau | raf256__: becase we need to remove lunis and a few more people |
| 22:37.09 | lunis | calm down |
| 22:37.11 | lunis | there are kids here |
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| 22:37.11 | FieldySnuts | FFS GET THESE FUCKS OUT OF HERE |
| 22:37.14 | lunis | there are kids here |
| 22:37.16 | FieldySnuts | yeah, you are one of them |
| 22:37.16 | abrotman | where did udontknow go ? |
| 22:37.19 | FieldySnuts | little bastard |
| 22:37.21 | wols- | FieldySnuts: ignore him! |
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| 22:37.24 | lunis | FieldySnuts no, you |
| 22:37.34 | FieldySnuts | no screw that, he says I'm tarzeau, but can't prove it. take it back you little bitch boy |
| 22:37.37 | black_Nightmare | its a creative soundblaster 16 pnp (but now I'm kinda starting to wonder if it is NOT pnp at all even if there's a nonpnp/pnp jumper that is set to pnp because somehow ubuntu can not EVEN find it..?!) |
| 22:37.43 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: but noone went to #freenode ? |
| 22:37.44 | raf256__ | O_o |
| 22:37.46 | black_Nightmare | any idea on this? ^ |
| 22:37.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: i did |
| 22:37.49 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: always +m there |
| 22:37.56 | abrotman | i have voice? |
| 22:37.56 | raf256__ | is it troll party now then? Are you g@y? are you... :-& |
| 22:38.03 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: register your nick! |
| 22:38.05 | abrotman | err i do have voice |
| 22:38.08 | wols- | raf256__: stop it |
| 22:38.12 | raf256__ | wols-: ok |
| 22:38.13 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: it is! |
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| 22:38.18 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i got voice too |
| 22:38.22 | henk | hmm today i did a "debootstrap sarge /target" install of sarge to a partition i'm now running a server on. But i just noticed that the debian version is testing (also in etc/apt/sources) and my package version actualy match the testing versions. So i guess debootdtrap is making pretty dumb versioning errors all over the place. Where should i report this? |
| 22:38.22 | FieldySnuts | oh right on |
| 22:38.25 | lunis | ok, so. How can i get my DEBIAN LINUX syystem to recognise my second monitor (TFT) with matrox G400+ dualhead graphic card |
| 22:38.32 | redtt | so do the lack of updates only effect the new version 3.1 of deb or of all versions? |
| 22:38.34 | tarzeau | bob2___: aren't you op? |
| 22:38.34 | PerfDave | black_Nightmare: If you're using Ubuntu, you should be asking on #ubuntu, not #debian |
| 22:38.37 | FieldySnuts | lunis: drink urine. |
| 22:38.38 | lunis | it says it's supported |
| 22:38.45 | JRlinux | HOW large should the root partition for Sarge be, anyone? |
| 22:38.46 | lunis | FieldySnuts: stop trolling |
| 22:38.47 | tarzeau | asuffield: op? |
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| 22:38.51 | FieldySnuts | ....... |
| 22:38.53 | FieldySnuts | fuck this. |
| 22:38.54 | wols- | henk: bug tracking system |
| 22:38.57 | *** mode/#debian [+o christel] by ChanServ |
| 22:38.57 | Wyzard | black_Nightmare: ISA devices are not autodetected like PCI devices are... not even ISA PnP devices |
| 22:39.06 | lunis | ok, so. How can i get my DEBIAN LINUX syystem to recognise my second monitor (TFT) with matrox G400+ dualhead graphic card? |
| 22:39.07 | wols- | hallelujah! |
| 22:39.08 | abrotman | who is that ? |
| 22:39.09 | spb- | go christel go |
| 22:39.12 | tarzeau | FINALLY |
| 22:39.14 | black_Nightmare | perf...I mean...the card wouldn't be found or anything at all on ubuntu so I'm wondering if debian is still going to be the same or what? (even tried things such as /lspci and whatever I was suggested to do!) |
| 22:39.15 | wols- | christel: kick lunis please |
| 22:39.16 | raf256__ | lunis: please, do NOT repeat. |
| 22:39.20 | lunis | ok |
| 22:39.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*adam@godfailed.org] by christel |
| 22:39.21 | *** kick/#debian [lunis!christel@christel.staff.freenode] by christel (christel) |
| 22:39.27 | raf256__ | christel: no, give him chance.... |
| 22:39.30 | PerfDave | black_Nightmare: If it's an ISA card, it won't be shown in lspci :) |
| 22:39.33 | black_Nightmare | at least the onboard speaker works anyhow |
| 22:39.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o christel] by christel |
| 22:39.38 | sh4dowcat | finally |
| 22:39.38 | FieldySnuts | a chance? he's had 30 minutes. |
| 22:39.45 | raf256__ | well |
| 22:39.48 | black_Nightmare | perf...oh..err....well..I'm not that much well-knowing to linux so :"> |
| 22:39.53 | Wyzard | black_Nightmare: You might find the "isapnptools" package helpful |
| 22:39.53 | grendal_prime | hey wols- i just installed the base pkg and the authpkg...what would you recommend i do next? |
| 22:40.01 | wols- | black_Nightmare: debian probably won't find it either. as I said: you have to configure it manually |
| 22:40.02 | grendal_prime | that is for courier that is |
| 22:40.08 | JRlinux | Too much importand business here, I guess. I will try the ##linux channel. |
| 22:40.12 | FieldySnuts | what really sucks is what the hell are the channel ops doing as ops if they can't/arent' around to take care of the dman channel? add other ops who are actually around |
| 22:40.14 | Wyzard | black_Nightmare: but fundamentally, ISA sucks, even ISA PnP (which was often referred to as "plug-and-pray") |
| 22:40.15 | black_Nightmare | wyz...hmm I didn't heard of that before...ty I'll have to try that |
| 22:40.20 | wols- | grendal_prime: of postfix? editing you main.cf |
| 22:40.28 | FieldySnuts | then irc operators end up dealing with it instead. lame |
| 22:40.32 | *** part/#debian JRlinux (~john@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) |
| 22:40.36 | black_Nightmare | wyz..LOL..well..98se finds the card right away so...obviously something can be strange sometimes :p |
| 22:40.48 | pete_ | anyone used one of these? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=225844 |
| 22:40.51 | grendal_prime | well i would like to use the courier mta if its possible.... |
| 22:40.52 | redtt | is there a security based channel i can attend pleasE? |
| 22:40.53 | raf256__ | I wanted to tell him to join other channel and ask politely but.. [00:39] [Error] lunis: No such nick/channel. |
| 22:40.59 | wols- | black_Nightmare: then use 98SE if you must. we won't stop you |
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| 22:41.06 | grendal_prime | you know im gonna bounce this around in the #courier channel...just found it |
| 22:41.07 | rking | this really is ironic - this is exactly the same as the zdnet article: debian too concerned about security to give out privileges to people, and ends up understaffed. maybe a point will be taken? doubtful |
| 22:41.09 | black_Nightmare | wols..nah I'll like linux ... so.... :p |
| 22:41.11 | Wyzard | black_Nightmare: Yeah, isapnptools has detection stuff... it's just not nearly as reliable as PCI |
| 22:41.12 | peterS | FieldySnuts: common complaint. I was making it over a year ago. they have no reason to listen to either you or me on this one though |
| 22:41.14 | beardy | redtt: /list |
| 22:41.21 | tarzeau | redtt: !harden-doc |
| 22:41.27 | FieldySnuts | peterS: boy, i'll say. |
| 22:41.32 | black_Nightmare | and beside the motherboard is a bit limited in slots so trying switch to a pci sound card would mean moving ethernet card over to isa and vice versa |
| 22:41.41 | FieldySnuts | rking: go away |
| 22:41.43 | tarzeau | rking: this is a debian user channel |
| 22:41.43 | Wyzard | black_Nightmare: Get a better motherboard :-) |
| 22:41.44 | redtt | tarzeau, i was wanting to discuss the zdnet article in detail |
| 22:41.52 | tarzeau | rking: debian.org only refers to it. but doesn't run it |
| 22:41.53 | PerfDave | black_Nightmare: Give isapnptools a go. It's how I've used ISA NICs in the past |
| 22:41.54 | redtt | tarzeau, its a little hectic here |
| 22:41.59 | black_Nightmare | wyz....yeah again ty anyhow..and nah I don't feel like spending any more $ in pcs and hardwares so :-) |
| 22:42.03 | wols- | redtt: do that on the debian-security mailing list |
| 22:42.07 | abrotman | rking: wrong part of debian .. we're not developers which is what the article was responding to |
| 22:42.09 | redtt | wols-, thanks |
| 22:42.12 | tarzeau | redtt: don't trust any media that is not officially debian.org, it's just boulevard. ignore it |
| 22:42.18 | PerfDave | What zdnet article is this? |
| 22:42.24 | wols- | PerfDave: read /. |
| 22:42.25 | *** part/#debian spb- (~spb@spb.developer.gentoo) |
| 22:42.35 | black_Nightmare | anyhow...quick question but would debian have koffice in apt-get? (I don't mind if I have to edit its file to use a different apt-get server for this) |
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| 22:42.44 | PerfDave | wols-: Do I have to? ;) |
| 22:42.45 | PerfDave | black_Nightmare: Yes |
| 22:42.50 | rking | abrotman, *: right, it's not official. still there's a pervasive attitude in debian that the inner circle's boundaries may not be breached at any cost |
| 22:42.51 | lars^ | What shall i install so "qt3" works on console |
| 22:42.51 | wols- | black_Nightmare: packages.debian.org. you can search there |
| 22:42.57 | black_Nightmare | ty |
| 22:43.00 | ale_ | i want to play a midi file but it says i dont have /dev/sequencer .... |
| 22:43.04 | peterS | lars^: what do you mean, '"qt3" works on console'? |
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| 22:43.12 | xhaju | hi everybody |
| 22:43.14 | tarzeau | ale_: i do crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 1 Jul 22 2004 /dev/sequencer |
| 22:43.15 | omg | i can't get debian sarge to detect my sata drive on boot |
| 22:43.16 | xhaju | one easy question |
| 22:43.17 | beardy | black_Nightmare: also, /msg dpkg search |
| 22:43.18 | tarzeau | ale_: ALSA? |
| 22:43.18 | wols- | lars^: it never can. qt is a package which needs X |
| 22:43.23 | xhaju | wuts the comand for apt-get? |
| 22:43.24 | abrotman | rking: it's totally unrelated .. i already told you that .. i know the problem you're referring to .. and this channel isn't at all related |
| 22:43.31 | omg | if i disable sata in my bios it boots |
| 22:43.32 | PerfDave | !faq xhaju |
| 22:43.33 | dpkg | xhaju: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:43.35 | rking | okie doke |
| 22:43.35 | black_Nightmare | someone told me a bit about koffice when I asked what program he got his small circuit diagram on .. I have to say it sound like an nice suite for free compared to ms office+viso being $$$$ lol |
| 22:43.36 | omg | but then i have no hdd |
| 22:43.43 | xhaju | thx |
| 22:43.47 | abrotman | omg: omg .. that sucks .. |
| 22:43.50 | tarzeau | christel: omg |
| 22:43.50 | abrotman | sorry .. couldn't resist :) |
| 22:43.54 | wols- | black_Nightmare: get openoffice.org |
| 22:43.55 | black_Nightmare | beardy....umm...does that command list a package search engine in here? |
| 22:43.59 | omg | :( |
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| 22:44.07 | PerfDave | omg: Your SATA controller is not supported by the Sarge install kernel. There are unofficial installer images based around 2.6.11 but they're not supported and won't get security updates for your kernel. |
| 22:44.10 | abrotman | rking: you're referring to stuff like ftp masters and stuff like that |
| 22:44.13 | bykte | how do i install php on my sever? |
| 22:44.17 | abrotman | omg: which sata controller ? |
| 22:44.18 | bykte | i did a apt-get install php4 |
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| 22:44.21 | bykte | but php -v doesnt work |
| 22:44.21 | kaol | ale_: you could try timidity to play midis with software. not all cards support midi. |
| 22:44.21 | abrotman | bykte: apt-get install php4 |
| 22:44.24 | rking | abrotman: and maintainers |
| 22:44.24 | omg | on board |
| 22:44.30 | bykte | abrotman already did that.. |
| 22:44.33 | bykte | but php -v doesnt work |
| 22:44.40 | abrotman | rking: no .. the DAM is unrelated also |
| 22:44.43 | lars^ | wols-: yes iknow but i have a program here wellenreiter which says IT needs QTDIR the dir of the qt eg /usr/lib/qt3 |
| 22:44.43 | omg | i read about similar problems with ubuntu |
| 22:44.46 | abrotman | rking: that's just a slow process |
| 22:44.50 | omg | i heard they stole debian code |
| 22:44.51 | black_Nightmare | wols..nah I used that windows version for a while before..never really liked it at all..so quitted using any suites at all...till used Evolution for a bit as it was with ubuntu...and now..kinda interested in koffice that I might have to try when I get debian :p |
| 22:44.54 | omg | so it might be the same |
| 22:44.57 | tarzeau | christel: HELLO? |
| 22:45.00 | bykte | any idea abrotman? |
| 22:45.02 | wols- | lars^: that's qt-dev package. you want to compile a package |
| 22:45.05 | abrotman | bykte: so what doesn't work ? |
| 22:45.10 | bykte | php |
| 22:45.11 | ale_ | tarzeau ALSA?? |
| 22:45.12 | bykte | the command.. |
| 22:45.19 | PerfDave | omg: Ubuntu doesn't "steal" Debian's code, Debian's code is licensed in such a way that Ubuntu can make use of it. |
| 22:45.20 | tarzeau | !ALSA |
| 22:45.20 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 22:45.22 | lars^ | wols-: apt-get couldnt find qt-dev |
| 22:45.23 | abrotman | bykte: oh .. you want the command line php ? |
| 22:45.27 | bykte | yes sir |
| 22:45.32 | omg | PerfDave: oh, then you can help? |
| 22:45.33 | wols- | lars^: apt-cache search qt|grep dev |
| 22:45.37 | abrotman | bykte: it's up .. php4-cli or php4-cgi .. i forget which |
| 22:45.41 | ale_ | kaol my card does support midi |
| 22:45.43 | grendal_prime | wols-, what do you think of exim as an mta? |
| 22:45.43 | tarzeau | PerfDave: stop feeding the gnaa troll bot PLEASE |
| 22:45.44 | bykte | ok |
| 22:45.47 | PeTeRB | bykte: php4-cli |
| 22:45.48 | omg | PerfDave: i'm not 100% with shareware software licenses |
| 22:46.00 | tarzeau | omg: FUCK OFF! IF I FUCKING WERE OP |
| 22:46.05 | PerfDave | omg: http://www.gnu.org/ |
| 22:46.08 | wols- | grendal_prime: exim, postfix and qmail are the ones worth considering. I personally use postfix and like it a lot |
| 22:46.09 | sh4dowcat | oh not again |
| 22:46.11 | omg | PerfDave: thx |
| 22:46.13 | lars^ | wols-: libqt3-dev ? |
| 22:46.16 | sh4dowcat | troller's here again |
| 22:46.18 | black_Nightmare | ughh how the heck do you use dpkg to find koffice anyhow? lol |
| 22:46.20 | tarzeau | asuffield, helix, bob2___, lilo PLEASE |
| 22:46.22 | wols- | lars^: yes |
| 22:46.25 | FieldySnuts | lilo: help please |
| 22:46.29 | tarzeau | christel: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:46.34 | tarzeau | DAMN WE NEED OPS |
| 22:46.35 | wols- | black_Nightmare: apt-cache search <whatever" |
| 22:46.36 | tarzeau | DAMN WE NEED OPS |
| 22:46.37 | *** kick/#debian [tarzeau!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 22:46.39 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 22:46.41 | Dcoder | lol |
| 22:46.42 | |doug| | woops |
| 22:46.43 | *** join/#debian tarzeau (~tarzeau@80-219-78-73.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 22:46.43 | |doug| | lol |
| 22:46.44 | abrotman | OH FFS .. omg is lunis |
| 22:46.44 | omg | !troll tarzeau |
| 22:46.48 | peterS | tarzeau: ha. |
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| 22:46.52 | PerfDave | black_Nightmare: Just look at http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 22:46.54 | sh4dowcat | abrotman: yes |
| 22:46.54 | abrotman | omg: are you really that bored ? |
| 22:46.58 | sh4dowcat | just look at the vhost |
| 22:47.00 | omg | abrotman: no... |
| 22:47.02 | tarzeau | peterS: i will quit this fucking place |
| 22:47.04 | sh4dowcat | gives him away |
| 22:47.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:47.04 | peterS | tarzeau: at least you attracted the attention of the one active op on #debian (debhelper) (: |
| 22:47.08 | chealer | it's ok, debhelper has it under control :) |
| 22:47.11 | omg | sh4dowcat: what vhost? |
| 22:47.15 | FieldySnuts | my ass |
| 22:47.15 | tarzeau | peterS: the fucking bot kicked the wrong person |
| 22:47.17 | omg | sh4dowcat: vanity or virtual? |
| 22:47.21 | bsims | Help!!!! I did a normal apt-get update, and now Kmail segfaults on startup |
| 22:47.24 | black_Nightmare | wols..I tried '/msg dpkg apt-cache search koffice' and didn't work so...ty anyhow guess I'll look at perf's link |
| 22:47.26 | FieldySnuts | ~stfu bsims |
| 22:47.32 | peterS | tarzeau: I know. I sympathize. but if they're not around they're not around |
| 22:47.39 | PerfDave | black_Nightmare: Just type "/msg dpkg search", not "/msg dpkg apt-cache search" |
| 22:47.46 | abrotman | Name: godfailed.org |
| 22:47.46 | abrotman | Address: 66.90.87.247 |
| 22:47.49 | tarzeau | peterS: they can delegate, no? |
| 22:47.49 | abrotman | Name: thankless.net |
| 22:47.49 | abrotman | Address: 66.90.87.250 |
| 22:47.51 | abrotman | !win me |
| 22:47.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 22:47.53 | beardy | !tell black_Nightmare about search |
| 22:47.54 | wols- | black_Nightmare: that apt-cache command I gave you is for your command line. not irc |
| 22:48.00 | bsims | FieldySnuts: who lit the fuse on your tampon? |
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| 22:48.07 | omg | abrotman: so? |
| 22:48.08 | abrotman | !ops omg is ban evading .. was lunis |
| 22:48.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: omg is ban evading .. was lunis |
| 22:48.10 | FieldySnuts | bsims: eat shit. |
| 22:48.16 | peterS | tarzeau: AFAIK, they haven't added an op since helix over a year ago. I guess they don't do it very often |
| 22:48.17 | black_Nightmare | wols...err.....LOL...duh I see |
| 22:48.21 | omg | abrotman: i was also 'adamn' |
| 22:48.27 | omg | abrotman: GOOD GOING FREENODE |
| 22:48.35 | omg | abrotman: tarzeau is in the gnaa channel |
| 22:48.37 | omg | as FieldySnuts |
| 22:48.50 | omg | he is trolling you |
| 22:48.55 | omg | and i |
| 22:48.57 | FieldySnuts | what the hell |
| 22:49.08 | peterS | omg: telling people who is in the gnaa channel isn't very good for your credibility, you know. it kind of implies you're there too |
| 22:49.10 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: did I not ask you multiple times not to do that? |
| 22:49.14 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: you asshole. |
| 22:49.16 | omg | peterS: i am |
| 22:49.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:49.20 | black_Nightmare | perf...ty...found it http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/koffice :-) |
| 22:49.25 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: you saw it right? |
| 22:49.28 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: I was there for a few minutes and went away |
| 22:49.34 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: no need to bitch on me |
| 22:49.36 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: AS MY NICK? |
| 22:49.37 | abrotman | mentor: we love you! |
| 22:49.39 | tarzeau | metaperl_vc: remove omg please? |
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| 22:49.44 | mentor | I love myself too |
| 22:49.49 | omg | tarzeau: no credibility |
| 22:49.53 | *** mode/#debian [+o christel] by ChanServ |
| 22:49.56 | omg | tarzeau: open source is free software |
| 22:49.56 | mentor | I'm just trying to work out wtf is going on |
| 22:49.57 | *** part/#debian omg (adam@thankless.net) |
| 22:50.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o christel] by christel |
| 22:50.05 | wols- | mentor: gnaa invasion. kick omg please |
| 22:50.05 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: let me get this right, you went on gnaa's irc network, with my nick, after I asked you to repeatedly? and now look what's going on, any coincidence? |
| 22:50.06 | mentor | fine. |
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| 22:50.16 | abrotman | can we ban by IP as in .. the IP the domain resolves to ? |
| 22:50.20 | *** part/#debian tomaw (~tom@tomaw.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 22:50.26 | wols- | abrotman: yes |
| 22:50.26 | FieldySnuts | i hope you ops read what i just said. all of what i mentioned (on this network) was public, in this channel, so it's in logs. very interesting. |
| 22:50.29 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 22:50.30 | mentor | abrotman: yes... |
| 22:50.35 | wols- | oops. no we can't it's text based |
| 22:50.36 | sh4dowcat | how do you get +v in #freenode? |
| 22:50.36 | wols- | sorry |
| 22:50.41 | foo | sh4dowcat: Wait a long time |
| 22:50.47 | abrotman | mentor: if it happens again .. can we ban the above ip? |
| 22:50.47 | sh4dowcat | foo: how long? :/ |
| 22:50.51 | streuner | Don't feed the trolls, and calm down please... |
| 22:50.56 | abrotman | 66.90.87.250 |
| 22:50.56 | foo | sh4dowcat: Hmm, I forget.. but I know you have to wait |
| 22:50.57 | wols- | sh4dowcat: by waiting. over time someone gives you +v |
| 22:50.57 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: you effectively pissed off gnaa, with my nick, so that they would calm here, didn't you? |
| 22:50.57 | ale_ | Package alsa is a virtual package provided by: |
| 22:50.57 | ale_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.57 | ale_ | You should explicitly select one to install. |
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| 22:51.10 | sh4dowcat | wols-: heh that does me absolutely no good |
| 22:51.11 | FieldySnuts | eh screw it, i rest my case. all public, all logged. |
| 22:51.14 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i didn't piss off anyone |
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| 22:51.20 | *** part/#debian lars^ (~admin@lars.web52.dk) |
| 22:51.23 | wols- | sh4dowcat: ops there are helpful that way. if you have to wait too long, you can msg one and if they aren't afk they +v you |
| 22:51.27 | sh4dowcat | DebianUser == gnaa |
| 22:51.30 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: bullshit, that's why gnaa is here now, just after you did that. you started a gnaa / #debian war. |
| 22:51.36 | abrotman | !ops DebianUser is lunis and omg |
| 22:51.36 | *** part/#debian Trer (~asdf@200.9.237.254) |
| 22:51.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DebianUser is lunis and omg |
| 22:51.38 | FieldySnuts | again i hope you ops and opers see that. |
| 22:51.39 | Morti | How do I find out the version of Debian I'm running from within a script? |
| 22:51.40 | DebianUser | what? |
| 22:51.41 | tarzeau | Wyzard: yes, that's right |
| 22:51.43 | *** part/#debian xhaju (~xhaju@66.Red-83-41-18.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:51.47 | DebianUser | that's my initials |
| 22:51.50 | PerfDave | Morti: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:51.53 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 22:51.55 | DebianUser | i get that alot |
| 22:51.56 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@66.90.87.250] by mentor |
| 22:51.57 | Morti | Ta. |
| 22:51.58 | abrotman | mentor: IP netbsd.amdwebhost.com |
| 22:51.59 | abrotman | err |
| 22:52.00 | abrotman | shit |
| 22:52.03 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
| 22:52.07 | mentor | sorry. |
| 22:52.08 | mentor | being slow |
| 22:52.12 | abrotman | s'alright |
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| 22:52.25 | sh4dowcat | he's gonna come back |
| 22:52.25 | DebianUser | sigh |
| 22:52.41 | FieldySnuts | mentor: earlier (this was here, so it's logged), tarzeau asked me if i wanted to troll irc.gnaa.us. i said no. he said he would do it as my nick, i said no at least 2, maybe 3 times. now gnaa folks come in, one said I was there. then all this shit started. follow the dots. for your info. |
| 22:52.42 | DebianUser | i need help with my usb cdrom drive |
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| 22:53.00 | streuner | mentor: DebianUser is a troll too |
| 22:53.02 | abrotman | mentor: he's still here :) |
| 22:53.06 | bsims | I did a normal apt-get update/upgrade, and now Kmail segfaults on startup... any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 22:53.09 | DebianUser | when it's plugged in the init process crashes at detecting new hardwre |
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| 22:53.17 | PerfDave | bsims: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 22:53.22 | abrotman | how do we not ban gnaa@* ? |
| 22:53.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@netbsd.amdwebhost.com] by mentor |
| 22:53.23 | *** kick/#debian [DebianUser!~matthew@mentor.user] by mentor (mentor) |
| 22:53.26 | bsims | not yet |
| 22:53.28 | PerfDave | bsims: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 22:53.28 | FieldySnuts | i need a break, brb. enjoy. |
| 22:53.36 | abrotman | bsims: in sid ? |
| 22:53.36 | beardy | Morti: 'cat /etc/debian_version' ? |
| 22:53.38 | bsims | Sid I expect breakages |
| 22:53.47 | PerfDave | !btssmite bsims |
| 22:53.49 | abrotman | bsims: ask #debian-kde |
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| 22:54.01 | bsims | abrotman: I am no response yet |
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| 22:54.04 | mentor | I really need messages that are getting through to me because I'm op, but are silent to everyone else to be flagged. |
| 22:54.06 | abrotman | bsims: ok |
| 22:54.16 | abrotman | mentor: huh ? |
| 22:54.24 | sh4dowcat | hmm... |
| 22:54.33 | peterS | abrotman: people who are +q are still audible to ops |
| 22:54.41 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. lovely |
| 22:54.46 | streuner | How long are the troll-invasion now? |
| 22:54.48 | PerfDave | abrotman: Some IRC servers support ops receiving messages from people who are +q or on +m channels. |
| 22:54.52 | peterS | abrotman: so that's kind of confusing when mentor (or other ops) is +o'd |
| 22:54.53 | FieldySnuts | almost 1.5 hours |
| 22:54.57 | *** part/#debian foo (~foo@foo.user) |
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| 22:55.02 | mentor | abrotman: If I set +b/q on someone, their messages will be filtered from non-ops...but I can still see them. |
| 22:55.03 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@pool-70-109-115-49.alb.east.verizon.net] by debhelper |
| 22:55.06 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 22:55.09 | abrotman | mentor: he's back |
| 22:55.10 | mentor | oh yeah. |
| 22:55.11 | Dcoder | lol |
| 22:55.23 | mentor | Adam_: ? |
| 22:55.26 | tarzeau | yes |
| 22:55.28 | abrotman | it's the same |
| 22:55.28 | Adam_ | ? |
| 22:55.32 | bsims | abrotman: I'd file a bugreport but my email isn't working <g> |
| 22:55.35 | Adam_ | what? |
| 22:55.38 | Wile_E | hi. i've got the following problem: i have a laptop with screen resolution 1024x768. I want to play warcraft3 with wine and sine my graphic card is a little slow, i want a resolution of 800x600. however this option is nit offered. do i need a special x extension or what? |
| 22:55.44 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 22:55.50 | tarzeau | not |
| 22:55.53 | mentor | is it? |
| 22:55.55 | abrotman | not the same IP |
| 22:55.55 | wols- | Wile_E: reconfigure X |
| 22:55.56 | Adam_ | i idle here |
| 22:55.59 | abrotman | it's questionable |
| 22:56.03 | sh4dowcat | uhh |
| 22:56.05 | cello_rasp | does anyone know of any directfb builds ? |
| 22:56.07 | abrotman | Adam_: run and hide ... dont' say a word :) |
| 22:56.13 | sh4dowcat | If you play a game such as Warcraft III |
| 22:56.14 | mentor | Adam_: Sorry, we've been having a few trolls stop by. |
| 22:56.16 | liquid_ | what's sit0 ? |
| 22:56.17 | abrotman | Adam_: your name/domain are suspect to recent trolling :) |
| 22:56.17 | tarzeau | cello_rasp: yes they exist. |
| 22:56.21 | sh4dowcat | I would seriously suggest a dual boot system |
| 22:56.22 | Wile_E | wols-: does not work. if i set 800x600 it will use 1024 anyway |
| 22:56.23 | tarzeau | cello_rasp: even on hurd since a few days |
| 22:56.24 | bsims | hrm interesting konqueror seems to work |
| 22:56.25 | black_Nightmare | wile_e....I think that its due to laptop being a bit like lcds that they like one particular res but....you can coax them to run smaller res without difficults thou |
| 22:56.26 | PerfDave | wols-: That option is not offered where? |
| 22:56.28 | peterS | Wile_E: you should be able to switch resolutions using the gnome screen config applet, I forget what it's called. if 800x600 is not offered, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 22:56.35 | sh4dowcat | mentor: it's the same person |
| 22:56.38 | PerfDave | Argh, Wile_E, not wols- |
| 22:56.41 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: IP differs |
| 22:56.41 | sh4dowcat | he'll start trolling as soon as you're gone |
| 22:56.52 | wols- | PerfDave: I knew :) damn nick complete :P |
| 22:56.57 | sh4dowcat | abrotman: when gnaa was trolling in our channel on efnet |
| 22:56.58 | peterS | liquid_: sit0 is a tunneling device for IPv6 |
| 22:57.00 | abrotman | i suppose we can't have mentor just op someone for the night huh ? |
| 22:57.01 | beardy | black_Nightmare: coax them? |
| 22:57.05 | sh4dowcat | we banned over 12 countries |
| 22:57.13 | mentor | abrotman: Not within my powers, I'm afraid. |
| 22:57.15 | Adam_ | hmm |
| 22:57.19 | abrotman | mentor: i figured as much |
| 22:57.20 | Adam_ | countries are not ips |
| 22:57.25 | Wile_E | PerfDave: in warcraft. only 1024 modes are displayed. i ahd different modes before thogh (i think with software 3d rendering?) |
| 22:57.25 | FieldySnuts | hell, this will go on all night then |
| 22:57.31 | abrotman | well .. he's supposed to be idling |
| 22:57.34 | PerfDave | Wile_E: Configure X to have both 1024x786 and 800x600, and use "Screen Resize and Rotate" in KDE or similar applications to change the mode. |
| 22:57.38 | *** part/#debian bsims (bsims@12-221-57-64.client.insightBB.com) |
| 22:57.38 | sh4dowcat | abrotman: which basically means that they have more than enough shells |
| 22:57.44 | Adam_ | i am interested in why i'm suspect |
| 22:57.48 | streuner | mentor: Adam_ is a troll too |
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| 22:57.56 | Wile_E | PerfDave: okay, i try |
| 22:57.57 | Dcoder | lol he doesn't seem like one |
| 22:57.59 | Adam_ | tarzeau |
| 22:58.00 | liquid_ | peterS thanks |
| 22:58.01 | Adam_ | Irssi 0.8.9 (20031210) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 22:58.01 | tarzeau | streuner: how do you know? |
| 22:58.01 | Dcoder | -lol |
| 22:58.02 | sh4dowcat | not yet |
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| 22:58.11 | christel | aww |
| 22:58.12 | streuner | tarzeau: the same behavior... |
| 22:58.19 | PerfDave | Wile_E: Configure your X server to support both modes for starters, maybe then Warcraft 3 will offer them. Or maybe Warcraft 3 just won't run in 800x600. |
| 22:58.23 | *** part/#debian BAZOOKA (~10349AEE9@81-202-178-251.user.ono.com) |
| 22:58.28 | tarzeau | streuner: neutral /whois , different irc client |
| 22:58.30 | christel | i love you too :o |
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| 22:58.37 | sh4dowcat | dude |
| 22:58.39 | sh4dowcat | Wile_E listen |
| 22:58.43 | streuner | tarzeau: someone who haven't an idea what we talking about wouldn't act in this way |
| 22:58.44 | sh4dowcat | if you really want to run a Windows game |
| 22:58.50 | sh4dowcat | you should really consider a dual boot |
| 22:58.55 | liquid_ | I need to get lm_sensors to work with my 2.6-8 kernel |
| 22:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 772] by debhelper |
| 22:59.00 | sh4dowcat | WinE is good at running windows games |
| 22:59.06 | liquid_ | anyone here using lm_sensors? |
| 22:59.07 | sh4dowcat | but it'll never get as good as the native configuration |
| 22:59.11 | nse | hello everybody, I'm experiencing bad thing with my computer. it is oftenly not responding, crashing, restarting the x back to GDM. orphaned inode problems, what can be causing all those problems? RAM, HD? is there any app avaliable for me to test that stuuff? |
| 22:59.12 | PerfDave | liquid_: Have you installed it and configured it? |
| 22:59.24 | *** part/#debian b3u (beu@beu.developer.gentoo) |
| 22:59.28 | PerfDave | nse: Orphaned inodes sounds like HDD failure. |
| 22:59.34 | sh4dowcat | nse: inode is a filesystem error |
| 22:59.39 | sh4dowcat | yeah, what PerfDave said |
| 22:59.39 | wols- | nse: ram can be tested with memtest86, hdd with smartmontools |
| 22:59.40 | daedalus_ | nse: memtest86 |
| 22:59.43 | FieldySnuts | mentor: did you see what I said to you earlier? |
| 22:59.43 | nse | PerfDave: just what i tought |
| 22:59.44 | liquid_ | well I did apt-get install lm_sensors but I saw kernel specific packages for 2.4 only |
| 22:59.46 | PerfDave | nse: If that's caused by crashing, then that's not necessarily because of the hardware. |
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| 22:59.55 | PerfDave | liquid_: That's because they're built into 2.6 |
| 23:00.04 | liquid_ | aha explains even more |
| 23:00.07 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: yes he did. if you you want me kicked, just say it straight |
| 23:00.10 | dikky | hy lol hy how do i upgrade debian |
| 23:00.13 | liquid_ | but still how do I get it to work PerfDave? |
| 23:00.16 | PerfDave | liquid_: Run sensors-detect as root |
| 23:00.17 | tarzeau | mentor: dikky is one |
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| 23:00.24 | liquid_ | okay one moment |
| 23:00.24 | mentor | FieldySnuts: Yes, I'm just deciding what action, if any, I should take. |
| 23:00.24 | dikky | hy! |
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| 23:00.37 | FieldySnuts | mentor: okay, if you want logs ask me or heck anyone else here |
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| 23:00.50 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: actually no, i just want you to appologize for being an asshole. |
| 23:00.50 | auk | who is dikky? |
| 23:00.56 | dikky | HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY #1 HY LOL NORWAY |
| 23:01.03 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@dikky.us] by mentor |
| 23:01.04 | *** kick/#debian [dikky!~matthew@mentor.user] by mentor (mentor) |
| 23:01.07 | nse | wols-, daedalus_ : i've heard some about memtest86, actually about memtest86+, i installed it with apt-get do we have to lauch it someway? |
| 23:01.12 | mentor | well, should have believed you. |
| 23:01.12 | FieldySnuts | also interesting, how is tarzeau repeatedly calling who is gnaa |
| 23:01.13 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: no, i haven't started any shit |
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| 23:01.20 | FieldySnuts | he called it again |
| 23:01.20 | sh4dowcat | bingo |
| 23:01.26 | sh4dowcat | here comes the floods |
| 23:01.27 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: yes because i check everyone |
| 23:01.29 | wols- | nse: you have to boot it. put it into your lilo or grub config |
| 23:01.29 | FieldySnuts | am I making insinutations? you're damn right I am |
| 23:01.33 | daedalus_ | nse: last i knew, it was a bootable CD that you have to run |
| 23:01.34 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i recognize how they are now |
| 23:01.34 | sh4dowcat | this is gonna go on for months :/ |
| 23:01.48 | tarzeau | sh4dowcat: not if you efficiently remove them |
| 23:01.51 | daedalus_ | nse: I'm not sure what the deb package does |
| 23:01.52 | beardy | nse: memtest86 is started when booting, so you have to reboot to run it, it will be available in your lilo, or grub, bootmenu. |
| 23:01.53 | liquid_ | okay PerfDave I ran that, configured it. Do I need to reboot? |
| 23:01.54 | sh4dowcat | FieldySnuts: it's not hard to recognize gnaa |
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| 23:01.57 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: you can either appologize to me here, now, for being an asshole, or you can go to hell |
| 23:01.58 | wols- | tarzeau: it's more than low what you did |
| 23:02.02 | abrotman | mentor: what are the odds of getting more ops named ? |
| 23:02.05 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@80.232.201.244] by mentor |
| 23:02.05 | PerfDave | liquid_: You shouldn't need to. You may need to modprobe the modules it suggests. |
| 23:02.09 | tarzeau | wols-: what did i do? |
| 23:02.17 | liquid_ | okay |
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| 23:02.23 | wols- | tarzeau: going into a troll channel under another name |
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| 23:02.29 | neur0n | Invaded by trolls, are we? |
| 23:02.33 | mentor | abrotman: I don't know. But I think we possibly need some :) |
| 23:02.38 | FieldySnuts | Adam_ is ctcp versioning me repeatedly |
| 23:02.40 | nse | beardy: got it, but i did it once, it does not appear at my LILO menu, may i have to set it by hand? |
| 23:02.41 | FieldySnuts | please stop |
| 23:02.41 | abrotman | mentor: you think? :) |
| 23:02.50 | wols- | nse: yes you do |
| 23:02.54 | Adam_ | FieldySnuts: i ctcped you and tarzeau once each |
| 23:02.55 | peterS | mentor: I think most of us would concur, unfortunately |
| 23:02.58 | streuner | abrotman: the problem is not to ban the trolls... |
| 23:02.59 | Adam_ | sorry |
| 23:03.15 | abrotman | streuner: no .. but a few more might not hurt eh ? |
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| 23:03.19 | nse | wols-: how to do it? any howto or some stuff for me to read in order not to fuck my system while treating with that/ |
| 23:03.21 | Adam_ | ignoring trolls is best |
| 23:03.23 | beardy | nse: That's possible yes. Look at the docs in /usr/share/doc/memtest86 (if that's the packagename) |
| 23:03.31 | PerfDave | The trick is to find gnaa members, and give them a good shoeing until they piss blood for the rest of their lives. |
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| 23:03.49 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: i gave you the open opportunity to appologize to me, twice, now i'm taking that away. enjoy. |
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| 23:03.55 | Delph | concise and to the point, PerfDave |
| 23:03.56 | wols- | nse: as long as you don't change other lines and just add an entry, you can't fuck it up |
| 23:03.57 | nse | wols-: what about the HD test? |
| 23:04.00 | PerfDave | nse: It's probably easier just to get the bootable image, and reboot into that. |
| 23:04.01 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i won't use your nick anymore on any network, sorry |
| 23:04.01 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 23:04.06 | sh4dowcat | I agree on the ops issue |
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| 23:04.09 | mentor | Or possibly just to make htem realise that there are better things to do. |
| 23:04.09 | sh4dowcat | for a channel of 800 people |
| 23:04.12 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: it's not that, do it to their dads. |
| 23:04.14 | wols- | nse: smartmontools. command is smartctl |
| 23:04.17 | sh4dowcat | we should have at least 50 ops |
| 23:04.25 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Well, they almost certainly live in their parents' basement ;) |
| 23:04.27 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: it's not my fault that there exist gnaa. nor that they are here now |
| 23:04.27 | FieldySnuts | it's not the number, it's when they are around |
| 23:04.29 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: good .. start picking :) |
| 23:04.31 | peterS | sh4dowcat: nah. the number we have now is sufficient a lot of times of the day. just not all. |
| 23:04.32 | PerfDave | sh4dowcat: Uhm, taht's silly. We just need a good coverage. |
| 23:04.35 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: they are here since about a week |
| 23:04.37 | liquid_ | PerfDave it's half working now I modprobed the suggested modules |
| 23:04.39 | nse | wols-: can we do that trought a normal root terminal? |
| 23:04.42 | liquid_ | FATAL: Module smsc47m1 not found. <-- except for that |
| 23:04.42 | sh4dowcat | well ok |
| 23:04.45 | raf256__ | FieldySnuts: dont hold regrets, dont be like CGames ;) |
| 23:04.46 | wols- | nse: yes |
| 23:04.48 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: bullshit. you enhanced this by joining there under my nick,a nd getting themt o come here |
| 23:04.51 | abrotman | peterS: dunno .. we're usually alone now unless don is around .. until bob shows up |
| 23:04.53 | black_Nightmare | sorry was afk.... |
| 23:04.53 | sh4dowcat | what's the geographic spread of the ops? |
| 23:04.57 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: so stop talking to me. end of the game. |
| 23:05.00 | nse | PerfDave: is there a canonical way to do that? |
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| 23:05.09 | streuner | peterS: we had in the past some problems only in serveral hours... |
| 23:05.14 | PerfDave | nse: Yes. Download the ISO from the website, burn it to CD-R, reboot. |
| 23:05.21 | sh4dowcat | PerfDave: speaking of coverage |
| 23:05.21 | peterS | sh4dowcat: geographic spread is decent, but that's not all *that* relevent, given that people have odd sleeping schedules anyway |
| 23:05.25 | PerfDave | liquid_: Hmm, looks like your kernel doesn't have the required module. You might not need it for the information you want. |
| 23:05.33 | sh4dowcat | I used to be the only op awake during European hours |
| 23:05.39 | Adam_ | LOL |
| 23:05.43 | peterS | streuner: yeah, 11:00 to 14:00 UTC seems to be problematic |
| 23:05.43 | Adam_ | google for gnaa map |
| 23:05.45 | Adam_ | it's a govt site |
| 23:05.51 | Adam_ | a place called gnaa |
| 23:05.53 | abrotman | Adam_: you should stop now |
| 23:05.53 | PerfDave | Yeah, it's gone midnight here in .uk, I'd go to bed if I had a job any more :/ |
| 23:06.02 | Overand | ugh i smell bad |
| 23:06.04 | Jon | argh |
| 23:06.06 | mentor | FieldySnuts, tarzeau: Right. I think this has gone far enough in here. Furthermore, we cannot dictate your actions outside of this channel, but evidence of anyone inducing/conspiring to bring trolls in here might bring about your removal. |
| 23:06.10 | Jon | I should really go to bed |
| 23:06.10 | sh4dowcat | PerfDave: perfect time to study |
| 23:06.17 | sh4dowcat | it's too noisy during the daytime |
| 23:06.19 | Adam_ | i'm in the uk too |
| 23:06.21 | FieldySnuts | mentor: understood. thank you for being fair. |
| 23:06.21 | PerfDave | liquid_: Does "sensors" give you the information you need now? |
| 23:06.22 | sh4dowcat | plus, it's nice and cool |
| 23:06.25 | nse | PerfDave: GOD! burning a whole CD just for a single test? no way, i have just one cd left, saving it ! haha! =P joking.. |
| 23:06.26 | Adam_ | work in 8 hours |
| 23:06.30 | Morti | How can I do SSH keygen in a passwordless way as part of a script? |
| 23:06.36 | PerfDave | nse: You can do it on a floppy if you really care ;) |
| 23:06.37 | beardy | nse: Use a floppy |
| 23:06.49 | wols- | nse: I don't use lilo, I use grub. it works with memtest86 just fine |
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| 23:06.58 | Jon | Adam_: argh yes :( |
| 23:07.00 | sh4dowcat | mentor: don't know how you do it here |
| 23:07.02 | black_Nightmare | just a dumb question but...would this http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/ppscsi-source work for the iomega zip plus drive (uses parallel port and 98se shows it as scsi type, parallel device) |
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| 23:07.04 | wols- | no need to write a CD |
| 23:07.04 | PerfDave | sh4dowcat: I'm not studying. |
| 23:07.05 | jim | it's pretty obvious this channel needs more ops... it's stressful to be one; I know because I was one |
| 23:07.07 | daedalus_ | morti: ssh-add |
| 23:07.12 | sh4dowcat | but we simply banned all of the trolls when they came to our channel |
| 23:07.16 | nse | PerfDave: sure? that's what I'll do.. floppys are very unstable |
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| 23:07.20 | odine | can someone tell me how i can stop all the atkbd set code errors from appearing in console mode? (using elite wireless ms keyboard) |
| 23:07.20 | mentor | sh4dowcat: FAirness? |
| 23:07.23 | sh4dowcat | that's how we ended up with a 12 country ban list |
| 23:07.25 | wols- | black_Nightmare: the kernel already has a driver for this device |
| 23:07.31 | sh4dowcat | mentor: heh |
| 23:07.34 | daedalus_ | morti: there are good google howtos for distributing your keys. |
| 23:07.38 | mentor | oh. trolls. |
| 23:07.42 | black_Nightmare | wols...oh...ic so I just have to figure supporting the scsi controller and thats it? |
| 23:07.42 | nse | wols-: which line to add to the grub config file? |
| 23:07.43 | sh4dowcat | in the end we were pretty tired though |
| 23:07.44 | jim | odine: try a different keyboard? |
| 23:07.50 | orjan | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.50 | Adam_ | sh4dowcat: being an op isn't stressful unless you let it be |
| 23:07.51 | Morti | daedalus_: Cool, I'll poke around. Cheers. |
| 23:07.58 | FieldySnuts | mentor: our buddy sh4dowcat here openly talked about doing a "DDoS" on some people (I assume the trolls), careful with this one |
| 23:08.04 | odine | jim: unfortunatly not an option.. is there a way to fix it other than a different keyboard? |
| 23:08.09 | wols- | black_Nightmare: the debian kernel should have a mdoule for it. load that module, then just mount the disk as usual |
| 23:08.12 | sh4dowcat | FieldySnuts: I didn't |
| 23:08.13 | FieldySnuts | mentor: and also hopping on a 100Mbps pipe, etc. |
| 23:08.15 | wols- | nse: one sec. looking |
| 23:08.16 | FieldySnuts | my ass. |
| 23:08.17 | Jon | I lean towards anarchism for IRC channels. let each user /ignore as they see fit |
| 23:08.20 | sh4dowcat | somebody else said ddos |
| 23:08.27 | jim | odine: I don't know that it is or isn't |
| 23:08.30 | sh4dowcat | but each to their own |
| 23:08.37 | peterS | Jon: works for small channels, doesn't work so well when people get to spew to 800 clients at once |
| 23:08.37 | abrotman | orjan: are you forcing them to get a new IP ? |
| 23:08.42 | FieldySnuts | okay hang on let me look in the logs, if I am wrong, i will take that back |
| 23:08.51 | FieldySnuts | mentor: extremely aggitated after this |
| 23:08.54 | abrotman | god .. i can't even track questions vs. noise .. and that's pretty bad for me |
| 23:08.55 | orjan | abrotman: hmm not what I know |
| 23:08.57 | black_Nightmare | wols...ty....so now let me check about a different drive I may want to use brb |
| 23:09.07 | sh4dowcat | right fine |
| 23:09.17 | sh4dowcat | end of discussion |
| 23:09.18 | jim | FieldySnuts: then you need to take some time and relax awhile |
| 23:09.25 | black_Nightmare | UGH!...hm.... |
| 23:09.25 | Delph | peterS: which is when you start having distributed ignore lists. |
| 23:09.25 | Jon | wow FieldySnuts is already on my ignore list from aaages ago, thought the conversation was a bit weird |
| 23:09.29 | abrotman | orjan: are they all windows clients ? |
| 23:09.30 | PerfDave | 23:33 * sh4dowcat logs on to his 100 mbps |
| 23:09.30 | PerfDave | 23:33 < sh4dowcat> I've had just about enough of this |
| 23:09.38 | PerfDave | 23:34 < sh4dowcat> I can find lots of gnaa haters |
| 23:09.41 | PerfDave | 23:34 < sh4dowcat> tarzeau: I'm about to call up people on efnet |
| 23:09.41 | black_Nightmare | wols- do you know what the manufcactor's name was for the LS120 drive? something like 'imination' or so |
| 23:09.45 | PerfDave | etc. etc. |
| 23:09.45 | orjan | abrotman: nope debian linux |
| 23:09.47 | sh4dowcat | PerfDave: yes that was when I was annoyed |
| 23:09.47 | abrotman | that's not DDoS .. that's just DoS :) |
| 23:09.47 | Ronin | heh nice to see nothings changed since this morning here |
| 23:09.50 | tehdely | ha |
| 23:09.52 | abrotman | orjan: and that client does what ? |
| 23:09.54 | stew | 18:18 < sh4dowcat> maybe a few 100mbps connections will shut Adamn up |
| 23:09.56 | sh4dowcat | and I never named it |
| 23:10.00 | black_Nightmare | I can't find any results with either 'LS120' or 'superdisk' on the package site |
| 23:10.14 | mentor | OK. Information taken on board. |
| 23:10.15 | Mask | Whenever I login, I always get the message "You have new mail.", even though I don't. I think it's because I switched MTAs, what should I look at to fix this? |
| 23:10.16 | FieldySnuts | actually, sh4dowcat did NOT say what I was thinking (he did say what PerfDave pasted), who I was thinking of was chealer: Jul 05 18:18:28 <chealer> ok, let's DDoS this guy |
| 23:10.21 | FieldySnuts | mentor: add that last tidbit. |
| 23:10.22 | wols- | nse: title MemTest86 |
| 23:10.22 | mentor | Enough now. |
| 23:10.22 | wols- | root (hd0,5) |
| 23:10.24 | wols- | kernel /boot/memtest86.bin |
| 23:10.27 | peterS | OK. CAN WE ALL STOP TALKING ABOUT GN** TROLLS NOW? |
| 23:10.46 | orjan | abrotman: ie when I use irssi to connect here I get lag staring at the time a lease |
| 23:10.47 | FieldySnuts | mentor: yep, i'm done. really nothing more, anyway |
| 23:10.50 | abrotman | peterS: are you anti-trolling us ? |
| 23:10.51 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:10.52 | mentor | continuing, I think, will result in +qs being handed out... |
| 23:10.57 | wols- | Mask: check your /var/spool/mail/<username> |
| 23:11.00 | black_Nightmare | peterS I'm not even talking about it so don't look at me :-) (LOL) |
| 23:11.05 | peterS | black_Nightmare: good for you |
| 23:11.06 | sh4dowcat | hmm... |
| 23:11.07 | abrotman | orjan: ok .. that's really odd .. did you check the BTS ? |
| 23:11.17 | Overand | 18:18 < chealer> ok, let's DDoS this guy |
| 23:11.23 | abrotman | ok STOP |
| 23:11.23 | Overand | 18:18 < sh4dowcat> maybe a few 100mbps connections will shut Adamn up |
| 23:11.27 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:11.28 | black_Nightmare | peterS hehe I never ever understood these kind of flames so :-) |
| 23:11.31 | mentor | Overand: ahem. |
| 23:11.31 | orjan | abrotman: no I havn't..yet |
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| 23:11.41 | FieldySnuts | Overand: we just went over that. thanks though |
| 23:11.44 | Overand | re: DDoS. THat's Eastern Standard Time, if you guys wnat to check your scroll |
| 23:12.26 | Overand | FieldySnuts: ok, sorry |
| 23:12.26 | abrotman | orjan: it could be known .. but that seems very bad .. stateful connections die when that happens :) |
| 23:12.26 | Overand | i was digging though logs and wasn't reading, my bad |
| 23:12.26 | black_Nightmare | so anyway do anyone know about even getting a LS120 drive working in debian? (even if it only can r/w standard disks for now...I don't have any superdisks) |
| 23:12.26 | Adam_ | what's +Q? |
| 23:12.26 | Adam_ | q* |
| 23:12.26 | sh4dowcat | Overand: regex helps :P |
| 23:12.26 | orjan | abrotman: ok I'm off to bts |
| 23:12.29 | peterS | black_Nightmare: it should just be a matter of loading the 'ide-floppy' kernel module. then /dev/hdc or whatever |
| 23:12.30 | Overand | sh4dowcat: i don't know how to get, say, 5 lines of context |
| 23:12.32 | wols- | black_Nightmare: a LS120 is NOT a iomega zipdrive |
| 23:12.35 | wols- | different things |
| 23:12.36 | abrotman | orjan: i haven't set up a linux based dhcp server in a while |
| 23:12.54 | wols- | abrotman: dnsmasq. very easy that one |
| 23:13.03 | abrotman | wols-: that's not what i meant |
| 23:13.04 | Overand | wols-: where did he say it was a zip drive? |
| 23:13.12 | wols- | Overand: earlier |
| 23:13.25 | mentor | Adam_: It's a ban corruption that allows people to join but not to send to the channel. |
| 23:13.28 | liquid_ | PerfDave it's working now thanks |
| 23:13.34 | Adam_ | ah |
| 23:13.36 | wols- | < black_Nightmare> just a dumb question but...would this |
| 23:13.37 | wols- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.37 | wols- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:13.57 | wols- | black_Nightmare: btw, the LS120 was made by Imation |
| 23:14.24 | Mask | wols-, I don't want my /var/spool/mail/(username) to be checked, because my mail is delivered to ~/Mail (I'm using qmail using a maildir) |
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| 23:14.50 | peterS | wols-: given that you use the same kernel module to access an ls120 as a zip drive, nitpicking about this seems a bit pointless |
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| 23:14.56 | abrotman | oh crap |
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| 23:15.13 | abrotman | this is getting rediculous |
| 23:15.15 | black_Nightmare | wols- I was asking about a complete different drive...of course I knew that zip/jaz != LS120 |
| 23:15.37 | mentor | abrotman: hmmm? |
| 23:15.41 | black_Nightmare | peters ... hm so ide-floppy module from kernel can r/w a LS120 drive just dangly fine I take it? |
| 23:15.50 | wols- | peterS: one does? long time since I owned a zipdrive. back then I thought I've seen a different driver for the LS120 |
| 23:15.52 | abrotman | mentor: bytefin ? Adam_ ? .. it's getting suspicious |
| 23:15.53 | wols- | sorry, my bad then |
| 23:15.54 | peterS | black_Nightmare: it's supposed to. I don't have the hardware. |
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| 23:16.56 | black_Nightmare | peters .. thanks anyhow ... could be interesting to have a pc with no floppy drives at all... heh |
| 23:17.00 | peterS | black_Nightmare: if this turns out not to be true, please let me know |
| 23:17.03 | black_Nightmare | LS120 + hd + optical drives |
| 23:17.06 | black_Nightmare | peters I will...ty |
| 23:17.13 | PerfDave | liquid_: Good oh :) |
| 23:17.22 | wols- | Mask: then everytime you get new mail, you get notified on login. what's bad about this? |
| 23:17.37 | mentor | oooh. Got the shiny apt security message ... |
| 23:17.40 | Mask | but I get notified even when I don't have new mail |
| 23:18.06 | wols- | Mask: have you looked in /var/spool/mail? |
| 23:18.29 | wols- | some (crappy) software might write to that file directly, bypassing your mail system |
| 23:18.50 | Mask | yes... I think it's checking the mail in /var/spool/mail/ (I used sendmail before qmail), but when I uninstalled sendmail with apt-get, it didn't change that script |
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| 23:19.04 | Mask | my /var/spool/mail/username file is still there, so that would make sense |
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| 23:19.10 | PerfDave | Mask: How did you install qmail? |
| 23:19.11 | karsten | Initrd question: where in the standard make-kpkg process is this built, and if it's not, how do you ensure the proper modules are included if doing mkintrd by hand? |
| 23:19.17 | bsims | I upgraded Debian Sid via dist-upgrade and it decided to kill KDE... I suppose I could use Gnome but in all honesty; I'd rather be raped by a cactus... anyone have a workaround short of recompiling KDE with the new GCC |
| 23:19.23 | lilo | did you guys get straightened out? |
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| 23:19.26 | xhaju | hi |
| 23:19.30 | xhaju | i've a little question |
| 23:19.31 | black_Nightmare | ughh ok quick question..when was acpi supported on a pc? |
| 23:19.34 | lilo | sorry, I was stuck talking to the, erm, ubuntu people, about group registration 8) |
| 23:19.41 | Mask | PerfDave, I did it myself (./configure, make, make install), because there is no Debian package |
| 23:19.50 | PerfDave | Mask: Wrong |
| 23:19.51 | Mask | or none on the main list |
| 23:19.54 | PerfDave | Mask: There's qmail-src |
| 23:19.55 | xhaju | wut's the difference between makefile.in, makefile.am, makefile.am.in |
| 23:19.59 | Overand | lilo: anyone who acts like there's only one distro is silly. |
| 23:20.02 | bsims | !lart kde |
| 23:20.05 | black_Nightmare | mine pc didn't have it that I had to edit a config to make ubuntu disable acpi itself as to quit the weird shutdown error beeps |
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| 23:20.11 | bsims | !smite kde |
| 23:20.14 | Overand | And frankly, anyone who acts like there's only one good distro or OS is kinda silly too. |
| 23:20.39 | PerfDave | karsten: IIRC there's a --initrd option to make-kpkg, read the manpage. |
| 23:20.45 | Overand | I really seriously prefer debian to other distros, but i never go so far as to declare that it is with out a doubt the 'best' |
| 23:20.48 | abrotman | lilo: mostly taken care of .. we're not sure .. there are some suspicious lurkers |
| 23:20.48 | black_Nightmare | overand...let me tell you something "there is no such thing as one single product that sastify EVERYONE so now shut up if you are trying to boast about it already!" :p |
| 23:20.48 | Mask | oh, yeah, I didn't use qmail-src |
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| 23:20.55 | karsten | PerfDave: OK. |
| 23:20.58 | black_Nightmare | same with the quote "noone is 100% perfect" |
| 23:21.07 | black_Nightmare | :-) |
| 23:21.11 | sh4dowcat | hehe |
| 23:21.13 | Overand | hey man |
| 23:21.15 | Overand | i am totally 100 |
| 23:21.16 | PerfDave | karsten: It's been ages since I used make-kpkg, these days I just use Debian-provided kernel-image packages |
| 23:21.18 | Overand | % perfect |
| 23:21.28 | black_Nightmare | overand..so may I ask why we get colds? |
| 23:21.32 | karsten | PerfDave: Dittos. I'm walking someone else through. Doing a patch. |
| 23:21.33 | black_Nightmare | and other things |
| 23:21.33 | black_Nightmare | :-) |
| 23:22.03 | raf256 | imho someones should convince gnaa childs to create like political comics |
| 23:22.10 | raf256 | anti-evil-corps for example |
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| 23:22.16 | raf256 | more fun and actually usefull \o/ |
| 23:22.21 | sh4dowcat | raf256: hah if only |
| 23:22.26 | sh4dowcat | it's not that simple |
| 23:22.42 | PerfDave | I still vote for stamping on them until they piss blood for the rest of their lives. |
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| 23:22.47 | raf256 | btw, efnet staff knows that they have #gnaa channel O_o ? |
| 23:22.51 | raf256 | (hidden) |
| 23:23.00 | sh4dowcat | raf256: probably |
| 23:23.02 | nse | where is placed the lilo boot loader config file? i need to add an entry to it.. |
| 23:23.05 | sh4dowcat | not that I'm gonna go in there |
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| 23:23.10 | peterS | black_Nightmare: PC BIOSes from about 1999 started to come with ACPI |
| 23:23.15 | wols- | nse: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 23:23.22 | jim | nse: it says where it is in that file |
| 23:23.34 | peterS | black_Nightmare: early implementations were so buggy that the linux kernel acpi support disables itself if the bios is dated before January 2000, though, I think |
| 23:23.39 | black_Nightmare | efnet? I only used it once and refused to use it again...they seem a bit crappy including stupid short nickname limit (try image my nick that way...duh!) lol :p |
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| 23:24.00 | black_Nightmare | peters . 1999... that figures.. my pc is like sold on 'sept 98 as the invoice said :p |
| 23:24.07 | sh4dowcat | black_Nightmare: it's a nice place, if you know your way around |
| 23:24.12 | sh4dowcat | but some areas are pretty nasty |
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| 23:24.22 | nse | thanks wols- |
| 23:24.26 | peterS | black_Nightmare: before ACPI there was APM. I've seen APM on a server sold around 1997 |
| 23:24.32 | black_Nightmare | sh4dow...and about the nick length limit :p .. I mean come on 'black_nig' .. ughh thats just a bit racism lol |
| 23:24.34 | abrotman | APM was worse than acpi |
| 23:24.39 | peterS | it was on laptops before that, but I'm not sure when it hit servers |
| 23:24.42 | black_Nightmare | I could change my nickname for that server maybe but..don't see any reason yet |
| 23:24.50 | peterS | abrotman: in some ways. in some ways it was better |
| 23:24.54 | abrotman | power management just sucks |
| 23:25.00 | sh4dowcat | black_Nightmare: well ya it's a bit old fashioned |
| 23:25.05 | sh4dowcat | no services either |
| 23:25.18 | sh4dowcat | you have to have botnets to hold your channels |
| 23:25.20 | peterS | a public ircd without services is so pointless |
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| 23:25.31 | sh4dowcat | peterS: heh efnet seems to do fine |
| 23:25.32 | streuner | hm |
| 23:25.33 | raf256 | what was the joke-commend? like unzip && mount && push && yes... |
| 23:25.40 | FieldySnuts | ~unix sex |
| 23:25.42 | sh4dowcat | you mean sex.sh? |
| 23:25.44 | FieldySnuts | guess not |
| 23:25.45 | black_Nightmare | peters I so agree... chanserv is really nice to have :p |
| 23:25.45 | raf256 | yes |
| 23:25.45 | abrotman | !tell raf256 about sex |
| 23:25.49 | raf256 | thnx |
| 23:25.52 | sh4dowcat | dpkg sex |
| 23:25.52 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 23:25.55 | sh4dowcat | there we go |
| 23:26.05 | peterS | black_Nightmare: yeah and nickserv. the others are a bit less useful (I do use memoserv and seenserv on occasion) |
| 23:26.23 | rking | i don't get "cd" |
| 23:26.29 | Dcoder | as in music |
| 23:26.31 | Dcoder | ´or the strip |
| 23:26.35 | Dcoder | for |
| 23:26.39 | karsten | How do I get a list of what's on the SCSI bus? |
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| 23:26.48 | peterS | karsten: cat /proc/scsi/scsi is the simple way |
| 23:26.50 | rking | ahh - thanks. =) |
| 23:26.50 | bsims | sg_scan |
| 23:27.06 | karsten | peterS: Oi. Bleh. |
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| 23:27.27 | abrotman | rking: no .. cd .. with no arguments goes to $HOME |
| 23:27.32 | abrotman | rking: get it ? |
| 23:27.34 | nyterukh | hi |
| 23:27.43 | rking | abrotman: ok, definitely |
| 23:27.50 | ady | hai |
| 23:28.06 | mentor | lsscsi? |
| 23:28.23 | Staos | lol |
| 23:28.23 | abrotman | wait .. if we've got those trolls here .. now might be my chance to find out what i've done that's so special to be including in thier crap-floods |
| 23:28.39 | ady | hai |
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| 23:29.07 | bsims | bah no one has an answer to my problem |
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| 23:29.19 | nse | what does make the line boot at the grub config file menu.lst ? |
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| 23:29.54 | michal__ | does anyone here know anything about scalemail? I THOUGHT it was what I needed to ease the setup of a mail server for handling multiple virtual domains on the same mail server.. but now I'm not so sure. I can't get a clear idea of what it actually does. Furthermore if scalemail is NOT hwat I'm after, is there any debian package which does ease the setup and administration of a multi virtual domain mail server? |
| 23:29.56 | daedalus_ | nse: parse error. Please re-phrase the sentence |
| 23:29.58 | nse | it does appear at the end of each entry of my grub. now i need to add another entry for memtests |
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| 23:30.17 | FAMM` | hello, I just installed Sarge |
| 23:30.19 | daedalus_ | nse: So add another entry. |
| 23:30.25 | nse | daedalus_: sorry, can't see my mistakes |
| 23:30.25 | FAMM` | How to install X ? |
| 23:30.30 | FAMM` | To work like windows.. |
| 23:30.32 | ady | hai |
| 23:30.35 | ady | aspls |
| 23:30.40 | abrotman | !tell FAMM` about setupx |
| 23:30.43 | ady | kemana aja |
| 23:30.43 | abrotman | !tell FAMM` about setup x |
| 23:30.43 | streuner | FAMM`: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 23:30.50 | ady | halo |
| 23:30.54 | abrotman | which probably needs updated now |
| 23:30.55 | tarzeau | !id |
| 23:30.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n |
| 23:30.56 | ady | haa;;;;;;; |
| 23:30.59 | ady | ldas;ldalsda |
| 23:31.01 | ady | kl;mf;ld |
| 23:31.02 | ady | ldlfa |
| 23:31.12 | streuner | ady: talk english |
| 23:31.13 | black_nig | !cat walking on keyboard |
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| 23:31.27 | Gnea | hrm |
| 23:31.33 | FieldySnuts | black_nig: nice nick |
| 23:31.36 | sh4dowcat | hmm.... |
| 23:31.37 | black_nig | thx |
| 23:31.38 | nyterukh | hi all whats up |
| 23:31.50 | mentor | nyterukh: clouds. |
| 23:31.51 | abrotman | !.id |
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| 23:31.53 | ignatius | hi |
| 23:31.53 | nyterukh | lol |
| 23:31.54 | abrotman | !id |
| 23:31.54 | dpkg | [id] 1d3nt1f1c4t10n |
| 23:31.57 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:31.59 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 23:32.00 | abrotman | what fucking county is that ? |
| 23:32.03 | nyterukh | just gave up on samba for now... |
| 23:32.16 | nyterukh | taking a break.. |
| 23:32.21 | streuner | abrotman: indonesia |
| 23:32.23 | shingouz | abrotman: indonesia? |
| 23:32.29 | ignatius | I have an msi tv @nywhere capture card - any reason I can't get it to display on xawtv? |
| 23:32.30 | abrotman | right .. so obvious |
| 23:32.33 | abrotman | !smack me |
| 23:32.42 | jim | !factinfo id |
| 23:32.42 | black_nig | !steal my tv |
| 23:32.42 | dpkg | id -- created by dayjah <~dayjah@dayjah.demon.co.uk> at Tue Apr 30 19:14:04 2002 (1162 days); it has been requested 18 times, last by abrotman, 48s ago. |
| 23:32.44 | shingouz | hehe.. need tylenol, abrotman? |
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| 23:32.54 | abrotman | shingouz: beer will do just fine |
| 23:33.05 | shingouz | !beer abrotman |
| 23:33.25 | black_nig | !beer i want carlsberg you feg |
| 23:33.26 | abrotman | another! |
| 23:33.37 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 23:33.42 | abrotman | hell yes! |
| 23:34.02 | yoo | i have a ATAPI TAPE drive but it not appear on the bios nor slave nor master |
| 23:34.10 | yoo | can i configure manually ? |
| 23:34.19 | abrotman | eep |
| 23:34.23 | abrotman | yoo: appear in BIOS ? |
| 23:34.24 | tarzeau | yoo: the power cable and data cable is in? |
| 23:34.25 | yoo | because with AUTO option it not appear |
| 23:34.26 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 23:34.32 | yoo | NONE |
| 23:34.33 | tarzeau | yoo: fitted properly on both ends? jumper is right? |
| 23:34.40 | abrotman | yoo: you have to make it appear in bios before linux will deal with it |
| 23:34.53 | yoo | tha cable are OK |
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| 23:34.55 | abrotman | well .. have to is strong |
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| 23:35.10 | abrotman | black_nig: you can run with a rear projection ? :) |
| 23:35.28 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 23:35.36 | yoo | perhaps therrre are jumpers |
| 23:35.42 | yoo | but i don't no |
| 23:35.51 | abrotman | yes there are jumpers |
| 23:35.52 | yoo | because it's an old motherboard |
| 23:36.02 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.08 | michal__ | scalemail is a friggin mystery :/ |
| 23:36.11 | tarzeau | yoo: that's p2 or 3 even |
| 23:36.17 | tarzeau | yoo: that's not old |
| 23:36.17 | shingouz | yoo: the jumpers are on the drives. and a 400MHz is not exactly old |
| 23:36.24 | abrotman | PII |
| 23:36.28 | nyterukh | is there another display manager that i can use beside gdm? |
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| 23:36.35 | abrotman | nyterukh: kdm/xdm/pdm |
| 23:36.36 | jim | won't be any mystery once you put it on... it's heavy... |
| 23:36.48 | abrotman | !dm |
| 23:36.48 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 23:37.11 | nyterukh | k..how would i switch from gdm to kdm? |
| 23:37.17 | ignatius | anyway use a tv @nywhere with xawtv? |
| 23:37.24 | ignatius | anyone, rather. |
| 23:37.26 | abrotman | nyterukh: install it |
| 23:37.35 | michal__ | jim: it's virtually undocumented. so it's rather light on documentation |
| 23:37.39 | yoo | it's strange it appear with dmseg |
| 23:37.42 | yoo | hdc: Seagate STT8000A, ATAPI TAPE drive |
| 23:37.47 | abrotman | PerfDave: btw .. that zdnet article is on slashdot |
| 23:37.53 | shingouz | this "anyone" crap reminds me of a teacher i used to have years ago |
| 23:37.58 | nyterukh | uh ok...so do a apt-get install kdm then apt-get remove gdm? |
| 23:38.09 | PerfDave | nyterukh: You don't need to remove gdm. |
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| 23:38.20 | yoo | tar: /dev/st0: no such device |
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| 23:38.26 | shingouz | nyterukh: i would personally --purge gdm and install kdm |
| 23:38.26 | tarzeau | ignatius: yes? |
| 23:38.34 | tarzeau | yoo: add "f" |
| 23:38.39 | nyterukh | thanks shingouz |
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| 23:38.41 | shingouz | yoo: try /dev/hdc then |
| 23:38.42 | tarzeau | shingouz: and i'd use wdm |
| 23:38.42 | yoo | mt -ff |
| 23:38.48 | yoo | oki |
| 23:38.48 | michal__ | I get the impression nobody uses scalemail since there's no info on the web on how to set it up :/ |
| 23:38.55 | tarzeau | yoo: no wait, you have a tape device? |
| 23:39.09 | kamaraju | I am trying to write a makefile to produce both static and shared libraries using gcc. While converting .c files to .o files, I need to use the -fPIC option for shared libraries. I should not use -fPIC option for static library linking. Now my question is how do I write the two different %.o:%.c rules in the makefile? I can write only one right? |
| 23:39.58 | yoo | tarzeau yes |
| 23:40.24 | yoo | tar -cvzf /dev/hdc mescouilles |
| 23:40.32 | yoo | not reaction |
| 23:40.33 | shingouz | kamaraju: i am not sure but i think there should be some channel for such questions. #gcc maybe? if there is such a channel that is. check the channel listing |
| 23:40.39 | yoo | not error messages |
| 23:41.02 | yoo | strange |
| 23:41.05 | rking | what's the postgresql equivalent of mysql's "show processlist"? |
| 23:41.10 | kamaraju | shingouz: Thanks for the response. How do i get the channel lists? |
| 23:41.19 | shingouz | yoo: /dev/hdc/filename.tar.gz perhaps? |
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| 23:41.21 | PerfDave | rking: Ask #postgresql? :) |
| 23:41.25 | yoo | ok |
| 23:41.29 | PerfDave | kamaraju: /query chanserv, "help list" |
| 23:41.32 | rking | PerfDave: ok. =) |
| 23:42.07 | yoo | nothing |
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| 23:43.27 | GaveUp | i'm trying to apt-get update my boxes here and I keep getting "cant verify signature" errors. What could be causing this? |
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| 23:43.58 | abrotman | ffs .. where is that factoid |
| 23:44.01 | welson | i have a usb drive -- what modules need to be installed or do i need some usb daemon running at first? (the drive is an iogear 160G and should appear as a scsi) |
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| 23:44.29 | JRlinux | OK, my netinstall of Sarge is complete, it says, but command line only. How do I get KDE ? |
| 23:44.32 | PerfDave | GaveUp: The fact that you're running Sid and apt now supports signatures and you haven't got the correct trusted key? |
| 23:44.36 | PerfDave | JRlinux: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 23:44.47 | JRlinux | Thanks PerfDave |
| 23:44.50 | GaveUp | PerfDave: stable is sid? |
| 23:44.52 | welson | JRlinux, have kdm installed -> apt-get install kdm kdebase |
| 23:44.54 | GaveUp | i dont think so... |
| 23:44.59 | yoo | When iuse scsi emulation, should i unload ide-tape module |
| 23:45.01 | yoo | ? |
| 23:45.02 | PerfDave | GaveUp: No, Sarge is stable. Sid is unstable. |
| 23:45.10 | shingouz | GaveUp: sid is sid. unstable. |
| 23:45.15 | JRlinux | welson, do that first, I guess? |
| 23:45.20 | yoo | sorry for my english :) |
| 23:45.22 | GaveUp | W: GPG error: ftp://security.debian.org sarge/updates |
| 23:45.33 | GaveUp | PerfDave: i know, i was being sarcastic... |
| 23:45.42 | PerfDave | GaveUp: What does "dpkg -l apt" say? |
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| 23:45.57 | welson | JRlinux, you can install kdm and check your alternatives (/etc/alternatives/) |
| 23:46.34 | GaveUp | ahha! had apt sources for xorg and they updated apt...downgrade time |
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| 23:47.04 | PerfDave | GaveUp: So you're not actually running Debian then. |
| 23:47.06 | JRlinux | welson, sorry I am so dense. What is kdm? Something necessary for kde? or for apt-get? |
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| 23:47.25 | welson | JRlinux, do you see a graphic menu? |
| 23:47.33 | PerfDave | JRlinux: I don't know why welson is talking about kdm. It's nothing to do with KDE. |
| 23:47.35 | nyterukh | kde display manage |
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| 23:47.36 | nyterukh | r |
| 23:47.38 | GaveUp | PerfDave: aside from those packages it is...hadn't even crossed my mind that i had those still in there |
| 23:47.39 | JRlinux | No graphic menu yet |
| 23:47.42 | transgre1s | does marillat have the mplayer-plugin for mozilla? |
| 23:47.48 | welson | !tell JRlinux about kdm |
| 23:48.09 | PerfDave | JRlinux: KDM is a graphical login manager. You may want it as well as KDE, but it's not essential. Installing KDM is a good way to make sure you have X properly installed, however. |
| 23:48.12 | tarzeau | transgre1s: dunno, but i have it |
| 23:48.13 | doolph | anyone got running ms office on linxu? |
| 23:48.18 | abrotman | !find mplayer |
| 23:48.20 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'mplayer' (2): mozilla-mplayer ;; xmms-xmmplayer. |
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| 23:48.33 | tarzeau | doolph: using crossoffice ? |
| 23:48.33 | PerfDave | doolph: Crossover Office. Or just use OpenOffice.org or koffice or something. |
| 23:48.37 | welson | PerfDave, if he doesn't have the kdebase, kdm is more elegant and should install the kdebase no? |
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| 23:48.54 | Morti | How do I specify a number of directories to be copied in scp? |
| 23:48.59 | PerfDave | welson: If you want to run KDE, you don't want kdebase. |
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| 23:49.12 | tarzeau | Morti: just like files? |
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| 23:49.14 | welson | PerfDave, I know |
| 23:49.19 | edited | does anybody know a site where i can find the X server configuration for IBM Thinkpad R52? |
| 23:49.25 | welson | PerfDave, its his choice of course.. |
| 23:49.27 | PerfDave | edited: http://www.linux-laptops.net/ |
| 23:49.28 | abrotman | linux-laptop.net ? |
| 23:49.34 | Morti | tarzeau: Yeah, but I want to specify more than one in one command and only have to enter the password once. How does that work? |
| 23:49.45 | *** join/#debian CyL_ (~cyl@200.96.167.101) |
| 23:49.45 | PerfDave | welson: Then shut up. JRlinux has already said that he wants to install KDE. You're confusing him and providing incorrect information. |
| 23:49.47 | doolph | can crossoffice install other softwares like msn messenger?? |
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| 23:49.54 | tarzeau | Morti: direytory1 directory2 destination ? |
| 23:49.54 | PerfDave | doolph: JFGI |
| 23:50.01 | welson | PerfDave, then fix the bot |
| 23:50.03 | PerfDave | doolph: Why would you want to run MSN Messenger on Linux? |
| 23:50.04 | tarzeau | !JFGI |
| 23:50.04 | dpkg | somebody said jfgi was just fucking google it |
| 23:50.09 | PerfDave | welson: There's nothing wrong with the bot. |
| 23:50.16 | doolph | PerfDave why not |
| 23:50.24 | welson | PerfDave, well then I'm not using for nothing then am i? |
| 23:50.26 | PerfDave | doolph: Because it's a bloated piece of shit |
| 23:50.35 | doolph | msn messenger is more cool |
| 23:50.38 | PerfDave | welson: You're making no sense, and you're just confusing people. |
| 23:50.41 | JRlinux | OK, PerfDave. Thank you. I will go for KDE! I appreciate the help! |
| 23:50.45 | tarzeau | doolph: nobody cares here |
| 23:50.49 | *** part/#debian gaby (~gaby@66.50.227.78) |
| 23:50.55 | PerfDave | doolph: If you want to use the MSN network, use a client like kopete or gaim or amsn. |
| 23:51.12 | yoo | Yes GREAT my atapi tape work fine !!!! |
| 23:51.17 | Agrajag- | Morti: you might want to something like tar cvfz - directory1 directory2... | ssh wherever "(mkdir ~/whatever; cd ~/whatever; tar xvfz -)" |
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| 23:51.25 | scorphus | hi |
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| 23:52.06 | welson | JRlinux, kdm is just a choice, its just there in case you'd prefer it (see later on..) |
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| 23:52.36 | welson | JRlinux, I really have no preference, its all up to you.. |
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| 23:53.27 | Agrajag- | doolph: or licq (yes it has support for msn) |
| 23:53.35 | welson | PerfDave, gaim is good.. |
| 23:53.56 | welson | PerfDave, now are you going to kill me because I like gaim now? |
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| 23:54.13 | Agrajag- | no but i'll say that it's eye-candy-but-nothing-behind-and-nothing-really-working-Gaim ... |
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| 23:54.45 | PerfDave | welson: Why would I kill you because you like gaim? |
| 23:54.51 | FAMM` | hello, I installed X wrong, coz i installed it 1st not before installing discover, mdetect, read-edid, please someone tell me how to re-config it. |
| 23:55.08 | tarzeau | !drx |
| 23:55.08 | dpkg | somebody said drx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:55.13 | welson | PerfDave, because I make no sense that's why..what's wrong with an opinion is up to your discretion of course.. |
| 23:55.21 | PerfDave | welson: Oh, shut up. |
| 23:55.27 | welson | gaim is good |
| 23:56.01 | welson | gee.. |
| 23:56.19 | scorphus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.33 | bwlang_ | Which webcam is a good choice for debian? |
| 23:56.33 | welson | can anyone tell me what mod needs to be loaded up or daemon runinng for my usb drive to work? it is supported as it works on other distro boots.. |
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| 23:57.36 | nyterukh | brb |
| 23:57.38 | quittt | which is the bestest Linux ICQ client? |
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| 23:57.41 | quittt | and MSN? |
| 23:57.47 | bwlang_ | i don't want a binary driver if i can avoid it |
| 23:58.00 | kamaraju | While typing stuff in textbox of xchat, I could really use my favorite editor - vim. Is it possible to do that in xchat? Is there any such irc client which invokes vim to type the text? |
| 23:58.16 | PerfDave | quittt: "best" is a very subjective word. |
| 23:58.27 | Ronin | quittt: bestest? you mean best? the best is the one you like, gaim does both quite nicely though |
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| 23:58.43 | quittt | I mean bestest, stability and functions |
| 23:58.47 | Agrajag- | quittt: for me, licq works best (has most icq features, msn works fine) |
| 23:59.01 | PerfDave | quittt: Personally, I use Psi Messenger for Jabber and access ICQ and MSN over Jabber. I've used gaim, but prefer kopete. |
| 23:59.06 | Ronin | like we said its subjective, everyone will have thier own idea of best |
| 23:59.17 | quittt | yes I realized that |
| 23:59.22 | Gnea | hrm |
| 23:59.23 | PerfDave | There's also bitlbee which allows you to access IM networks with your IRC client of choice. |
| 23:59.30 | Gnea | dictionary.com reports: No entry found for bestest. |
| 23:59.44 | Ronin | quittt: i use gaim for both icq and msn |
| 23:59.50 | Ronin | Gnea: id be afraid if you did find it |
| 23:59.59 | Gnea | quittt: but yeah, gaim is where it's at |
