| 00:00.02 | chacho | and you can make sure it is that by watching in the file browser if /dev/sda goes away when you unplug the drive |
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| 00:00.27 | toonX | chacho one thing, in /etc/ld.so.conf on teh host linux i also have some /emul/ia32-linux libraryes, you know for 32 bit compatibility with teh 2.6 kernel provides, so , since i have now the "true" 32 bit libraryes , i can just add those in teh /etc/ld.so.conf and get ridd of teh /emul ones , right ? |
| 00:01.02 | pedro420 | graeme: yea but there are little red x's in the corners of all sda files |
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| 00:01.52 | chacho | toonx, i dont really know, i dont mess with the libraries |
| 00:01.57 | graeme | pedro420: does fdisk -l say anything about /dev/sda? |
| 00:02.00 | chacho | i didnt even know i had /emul ones until i looked just now |
| 00:02.04 | chacho | mine are still there though |
| 00:02.10 | toonX | chacho the faq said to add in /etc/ld.so.conf on teh host linux the 32 bit libaries from the chroot, but did not said anything about the case in wich i allready have the /emul 32 bit libraries |
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| 00:02.25 | trix | does anyone know why even after installing ati drivers for debian, my terminal still lags when being dragged? |
| 00:02.27 | shivraj | Eulex : I've only been running this installation for a few weeks, u're right how can it add up to 2gig, |
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| 00:02.41 | toonX | chacho well, i did used to ran programs wich used them , the emul ones |
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| 00:02.59 | chacho | i think you can probably get rid of those, they would be easy to install again anyway, im pretty sure they are a package in apt |
| 00:03.08 | chacho | id just leave them though |
| 00:03.10 | aedwards | Folks, I want to test a kernel on a headless box...is it possible to configure lilo to boot a kernel based on time? What I want to do is use the test kernel if time is less than xx:xx:xx else use the current stable kernel. |
| 00:03.12 | chacho | are they taking up a lot of space? |
| 00:03.28 | toonX | chacho no, not that, get them out from the ld config |
| 00:04.14 | toonX | chacho maybe it will run faster if it's using the 32 bit libraries from the chroot comparing with the emul 32 bit ones |
| 00:04.22 | toonX | chacho or maybe not :) |
| 00:04.22 | chacho | oh i see |
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| 00:04.42 | chacho | well i dont know, but i am looking in synaptic right now and it looks like all the /emul files are installed by the ia32-libs package |
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| 00:05.05 | chacho | i dont know that for sure, but there are a lot of files in /emul installed by that package |
| 00:05.06 | toonX | chacho what was it that you used with 32 bit libraries? cedega ? |
| 00:05.09 | chacho | yeah |
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| 00:05.18 | chacho | i run it in the chroot |
| 00:05.21 | rixth | Could anyone tell me how to apply this patch? I have no clue. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2004-June/msg00008.html |
| 00:05.41 | pedro420 | graeme: No hda |
| 00:05.49 | [Granger] | rixth: why are you running off a development tree if you don't know how to patch source? |
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| 00:05.56 | toonX | chacho ok, that faq tells how to run it from outside the chroot but using the chroot's libs |
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| 00:06.11 | Borg^Queen | hey people |
| 00:06.11 | rixth | [Granger]: I want lirc support.... |
| 00:06.21 | toonX | chacho bit of work tough |
| 00:06.35 | Borg^Queen | I'm trying to get to http://localhost:631/admin to install a printer but it keeps telling me I don't have access to that resource (Yes I have root perms and I'm attempting to access it as root) |
| 00:06.45 | Borg^Queen | It says FORBIDDEN! |
| 00:06.58 | Aeudian | Can someone give me the command on how to -Decompress xpde-0.5.1.tar.gz in /usr/share folder. its currently located in the home directory |
| 00:06.58 | Borg^Queen | and kdeprint gives me |
| 00:07.00 | chacho | yeah, i looked at that, id actually really like to do that because sometimes people that dont understand *nix use my comp and that way they could use cedega easier |
| 00:07.09 | chacho | i could make a desktop shortcut and stuff |
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| 00:07.16 | chacho | but.. dont feel like messing with it right now lol |
| 00:07.20 | Borg^Queen | An error occurred while retrieving the printer list. Error message received from manager: |
| 00:07.20 | Borg^Queen | You don't have access to the requested resource. |
| 00:07.23 | dondelelcaro | Aeudian: tar -zxf foo.tar.gz; |
| 00:07.28 | chacho | pedro420, try adding this line to /etc/fstab |
| 00:07.34 | dondelelcaro | Aeudian: man tar; or info tar; for details. |
| 00:07.40 | toonX | chacho yeah :) |
| 00:07.52 | pedro420 | how do i add lines |
| 00:08.00 | rixth | [Granger]: is that all you have to add? Just criticise, nothing helpful to contribute? |
| 00:08.04 | chacho | heres what i do |
| 00:08.09 | chacho | go in a terminal |
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| 00:08.15 | chacho | type su, then put in the root password |
| 00:08.24 | chacho | then type nano /etc/fstab |
| 00:08.29 | chacho | it will open it tup in the terminal |
| 00:08.54 | chacho | go down past everything that is there |
| 00:08.54 | chacho | add in |
| 00:09.07 | toonX | chacho well , im going to get ridd of those emul 32 bit libraries, since im planning to use the "true" 32 bit linker from the chroot |
| 00:09.12 | Aeudian | dondelelcaro: i get a -bash: /usr/share: is a directory error |
| 00:09.38 | raf256 | hmm |
| 00:09.53 | raf256 | there is no grSecurity for 2.6.8 debian kernels, is there? |
| 00:09.57 | chacho | /dev/sdc /media/usbdisk auto rw,user 0 0 |
| 00:10.37 | chacho | put a tab everywhere i have a big space |
| 00:10.37 | pedro420 | am i inserting a file |
| 00:10.38 | chacho | no, its a line of text |
| 00:10.38 | Azar | raf256 only on Woody and Sarge |
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| 00:10.38 | chacho | /etc/fstab is a file that tells your comp what to do when mounting things |
| 00:10.40 | greycat | chacho: fstab can have any number of spaces/tabs between fields |
| 00:10.41 | raf256 | Azar: ? I have "testing" and I use 2.6.8 can I apply grSec easly? |
| 00:10.46 | Aeudian | Can someone give me the command on how to -Decompress xpde-0.5.1.tar.gz in /usr/share folder. I'm to tired to look through man and info plz |
| 00:11.01 | greycat | Aeudian: cd /usr/share; tar xzvf /path/to/xpde*.tar.gz |
| 00:11.03 | Azar | raf256, ohhh grSec.. I am not aware of that |
| 00:11.04 | chacho | greycat, cool, i didnt know that, i was just doing what the rest of the file had |
| 00:11.08 | shingouz | Aeudian: tar xzf file.tar.gz |
| 00:11.12 | rixth | Aeudian: just extract it and cut and paste... |
| 00:11.19 | chacho | toonx, are you going to use the apt package to remove them? |
| 00:11.26 | Aeudian | greycat: thanks |
| 00:11.26 | chacho | i think that would be a good idea so you can put them back in easy |
| 00:11.33 | Azar | raf256 I thought you ment the security updates .. |
| 00:11.35 | rixth | How do you patch source? I have a patch file but how do I apply it? |
| 00:11.45 | FieldySnuts | man patch |
| 00:11.46 | shingouz | rixth: with patch |
| 00:11.47 | raf256 | rixth: patch |
| 00:11.47 | petemc | Aeudian: extracting it there probably wont do you much good anyway, might as well just get some rest, then come back to it and read the docs |
| 00:11.50 | chacho | pedro420, once you udo that, press control x to exit, say yes to save |
| 00:11.58 | chacho | pedro420 *do that |
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| 00:12.29 | chacho | then do mount /dev/sdc |
| 00:12.32 | pedro420 | Can I just type it in under the rest oif the /dev |
| 00:12.37 | chacho | i mean /dev/sda |
| 00:12.47 | chacho | yeah it is another line just like all the other lines |
| 00:12.51 | Aeudian | One more question, where is the .xinitrc file located? |
| 00:12.52 | chacho | it should look about the same as them |
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| 00:13.06 | chacho | thats a list of all the other drives that get mounted regularly |
| 00:13.11 | shingouz | Aeudian: in your home directory most of the time |
| 00:13.18 | Aeudian | k thanks |
| 00:13.20 | rixth | Yes I know, but what about things like -p1 etc |
| 00:13.30 | manthiz | any channel that discusses dvd backup? |
| 00:13.35 | shingouz | Aeudian: you can use find or locate to find the file btw |
| 00:13.53 | shingouz | rixth: man page? ;) |
| 00:13.57 | Aeudian | im on putty cant atm |
| 00:14.07 | greycat | uh, wrong. |
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| 00:14.23 | plugwash | rixth read the man page on patch that explains what the -p options do and then read the filenames in the patch file |
| 00:14.27 | pedro420 | Do i type /dev/sda under file system |
| 00:14.29 | shingouz | rixth: in the source root patch -p1 --dry-run < diff should give you some hint if it works |
| 00:14.32 | rixth | shingouz: looking at it now |
| 00:14.33 | chacho | yeah |
| 00:14.40 | plugwash | it should be fairly easy to figure out what p number you need from that |
| 00:14.41 | rixth | shingouz: thanks |
| 00:14.44 | pedro420 | what about mount point |
| 00:15.05 | chacho | then mount point is /media/usbdisk, type is auto, options is rw,user , dump is 0, pass is 0 |
| 00:15.07 | shingouz | rixth: before you run any patches really grok the manpage and you will save yourself a lot of problems |
| 00:15.21 | trix | does anyone know why even after installing ati drivers for debian, my terminal still lags when being dragged - is that normal |
| 00:15.25 | chacho | you can actually do whatever you want for mount point, that is where in the filesystem you can access the drive once it gets mounted |
| 00:15.45 | shingouz | trix: terminal? as in CLI? that is not 3d and is not accelerated at all |
| 00:15.52 | chacho | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.52 | dondelelcaro | trix: the terminal isn't updated when it's being moved. |
| 00:15.55 | pedro420 | do you have to type something there |
| 00:15.57 | trix | shingouz: aterm |
| 00:16.06 | shingouz | trix: not 3d |
| 00:16.10 | Eulex | trix: I had that problem -- changed to another vesa mode fixed it |
| 00:16.12 | otroean | dpkg-configure doesn't work. Command not found... Why? |
| 00:16.17 | dondelelcaro | or, often isn't updated. |
| 00:16.19 | toonX | chacho nope, just from teh /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 00:16.20 | greycat | because that's not a command. |
| 00:16.26 | dondelelcaro | otroean: it's dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:16.33 | co-NP | otroean: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:16.37 | trix | i thought after installing the ati drivesr, it wouldbe fixed, but i'll try the vesa mode thing Eulex |
| 00:16.43 | trix | thanks for the advice |
| 00:16.45 | chacho | toonx, well apt-get remove ia32-libs should do that for you |
| 00:16.48 | shingouz | trix: also your cpu has a lot to do how the terminal behaves. slow cpu means a laggy window drag. just drag the outlines |
| 00:16.53 | chacho | and then you can just install them back in with one command |
| 00:17.08 | Eulex | trix, do you mean console or terminal emulator? I was assuming console |
| 00:17.16 | trix | shingouz: i have a fast cpu, that shouldn't be an issue (athlon 2200) |
| 00:17.23 | trix | Eulex: aterm |
| 00:17.59 | chacho | trix, i am running amd64 3200+ and any of my windows lag when i drag them without the accelerated drivers installed |
| 00:18.01 | chacho | in gnome that is |
| 00:18.13 | chacho | my icons lag when i drag them without 3d accel |
| 00:18.16 | shingouz | trix: i have no idea what you are trying to accomplish but it sounds to me like you are fighting windmills at the moment |
| 00:18.17 | Eulex | trix: then my advice was worth nothing |
| 00:18.25 | toonX | chacho ok |
| 00:19.09 | chacho | pedro420, how are you doing? |
| 00:19.21 | chacho | once you finish editing the file, control x to save and quit |
| 00:19.23 | trix | Eulex: alright, well thanks |
| 00:19.46 | trix | shingouz: basically i installed ati drivers for 9800 pro, and i'm just wondering why my aterm still lags |
| 00:20.05 | trix | shingouz: i figured after installing drivers, it wouldn't, that's all |
| 00:20.07 | pedro420 | I typed something under file system but nothing under mount point does tha matter |
| 00:20.13 | shingouz | trix: it is not 3d so the accel does not kick in as i told you earlier |
| 00:20.20 | chacho | yes, you have to type something under mount point |
| 00:20.34 | chacho | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.37 | trix | shingouz: alright, thanks ;D |
| 00:20.48 | Pingu12- | apache2 : "Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name" - what do i have to edit so that the apache can identify itself without setting the directive ServerName ? ( /etc/hosts has the line "ip servername.domain.com" ) |
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| 00:21.23 | pedro420 | How about type |
| 00:21.54 | chacho | type is auto |
| 00:22.06 | chacho | you have to put something in all of these spaces |
| 00:22.17 | otroean | I'm removing windows Xp but have 2 disk that is ntfs. Can't find a program to convert from ntfs to ext3 |
| 00:22.19 | pedro420 | Options |
| 00:22.24 | chacho | rw,user |
| 00:22.31 | chacho | no space |
| 00:22.34 | chacho | between them |
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| 00:22.59 | quittt | !sid |
| 00:23.00 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 00:23.00 | shingouz | otroean: that is not possbile, you need to repartition and reformat the drives. backup all necessary data and nuke the drives |
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| 00:23.11 | quittt | !unstable |
| 00:23.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
| 00:23.26 | pedro420 | When i do fdisk it stil isn't on it |
| 00:23.46 | chacho | dont do fdisk |
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| 00:24.04 | chacho | did you put 0 for dump and 0 for pass in fstab? |
| 00:24.22 | plugwash | hmm that message from debian should probablly be updated |
| 00:24.38 | plugwash | isn't sid now permanently unstable with normal releases never taking that status? |
| 00:24.52 | shingouz | plugwash: sid is unstable. always |
| 00:24.58 | otroean | hmm... So copy everything a need and format? damn thats a lot of data. about 350 GB |
| 00:25.30 | pedro420 | chacho: Yea |
| 00:25.35 | shingouz | otroean: you cannot convert from ntfs to ext2 at all, leaves pretty few options... |
| 00:25.53 | chacho | ok cool, control x to save and quit, then type mount /dev/sda |
| 00:26.03 | chacho | im assuming your usb thing is plugged in |
| 00:26.10 | shingouz | otroean: you have to remember that you cannot use the software, just the datafiles there. music, pr0n whathaveyou |
| 00:26.15 | pedro420 | yea |
| 00:26.32 | chacho | did mount /dev/sda give you any errors? |
| 00:26.59 | CaPu | Guys - I've downloaded this RPM via FTP for unpack my java package - i've followed instructions as best I can: but i still get "rpm: unknown command" |
| 00:26.59 | otroean | shingouz : so i have to partition the disk's after copying everything to another machine? |
| 00:27.17 | shingouz | otroean: yes, that sounds like a plan to me |
| 00:27.20 | CaPu | im totally new to linux.. so i dont know how to siagnose what's gone wrong or how to fix it :) |
| 00:27.37 | pedro420 | Chacho: It says you must specify a filesystem type |
| 00:27.49 | otroean | shingouz : :( |
| 00:27.50 | jim | CaPu: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 00:27.58 | shingouz | !tell CaPu about install java |
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| 00:28.09 | chacho | pedro420, hmm, did you put auto for filesystem type in fstab |
| 00:28.16 | CaPu | jim: latest |
| 00:28.20 | pedro420 | yea |
| 00:28.32 | jim | CaPu: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:28.44 | chacho | try mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/usbdisk |
| 00:28.47 | pedro420 | Uder the mount point all the others have 0 at the end of them does that matter |
| 00:28.51 | jim | the output should be one (short) line |
| 00:28.56 | shingouz | CaPu: define latest |
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| 00:29.30 | chacho | pedro420, no it doesnt |
| 00:29.32 | graeme | pedro420: you might need a kernel module for usb |
| 00:29.33 | pedro420 | It says it does not exsist |
| 00:29.37 | jim | CaPu: are you using debian? |
| 00:29.37 | CaPu | jim: 3.1 |
| 00:29.39 | toonX | chacho cool , i see the drunk tux :) |
| 00:29.56 | jim | ok, apt-get install java-package |
| 00:30.09 | CaPu | ok, sec pc is in other room lol |
| 00:30.36 | chacho | haha nice toonx, have fun with it |
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| 00:30.44 | jim | you could telnet into it |
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| 00:30.59 | CaPu | jim, do i need to login to root to do that/ |
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| 00:31.12 | graeme | pedro420: lsmod | grep usb |
| 00:31.25 | chacho | toonx, im goin to play some WoW on my cedega right now actually |
| 00:31.26 | chacho | cya |
| 00:31.26 | graeme | pedro420: and see if usb_storage is there. |
| 00:31.29 | toonX | chacho thanks buddy |
| 00:31.37 | chacho | np |
| 00:32.18 | CaPu | jim: "E: Couldn't find java-package" |
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| 00:32.32 | shingouz | !install java |
| 00:32.32 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
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| 00:32.54 | shingouz | !java-package |
| 00:32.54 | dpkg | methinks java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. ... |
| 00:33.01 | pedro420 | nope |
| 00:33.04 | jim | CaPu: grep "^deb " /etc/apt/sources.list | head -1 |
| 00:33.06 | shingouz | CaPu: read what dpkg just said |
| 00:33.10 | jim | will be -one- line |
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| 00:33.30 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:33.35 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
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| 00:33.39 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:33.40 | jim | kickban |
| 00:33.41 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:33.43 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:33.44 | shingouz | Nannohiiri: screw you |
| 00:33.45 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:33.51 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:33.51 | shingouz | !ops Nannohiiri is an asshole |
| 00:33.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Nannohiiri is an asshole |
| 00:33.53 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:33.57 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
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| 00:33.59 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.01 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.02 | jim | !ops Nannohiiri flooding on purpose |
| 00:34.03 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Nannohiiri flooding on purpose |
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| 00:34.05 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.07 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.09 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.25 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.27 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.31 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.35 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.37 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.37 | pedro420 | graeme: usbmouse, usbhid, usb core |
| 00:34.39 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.43 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.47 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.49 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
| 00:34.51 | Nannohiiri | mo homot =D |
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| 00:35.05 | Nannohiiri | xD |
| 00:35.07 | Nannohiiri | HEHEA :D:D |
| 00:35.08 | Nannohiiri | aeHEAHD :D: |
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| 00:35.26 | Eulex | gotcha |
| 00:35.40 | graeme | pedro420: alright then, i think you'll need to insmod usb_storage |
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| 00:36.04 | pedro420 | No such file or directory |
| 00:36.20 | jvw | vorlon: you here? |
| 00:36.26 | shingouz | pedro420: out of curiosity, could you do an uname are |
| 00:36.53 | pedro420 | what is that |
| 00:37.01 | jim | a pronoun |
| 00:37.05 | vorlon | jvw: nope! |
| 00:37.10 | shingouz | uname -r |
| 00:37.28 | shingouz | damn,i hate this completion feature on xchat |
| 00:37.43 | pedro420 | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 00:37.47 | shingouz | y |
| 00:37.48 | graeme | shingouz: it completed -r to are? |
| 00:37.54 | shingouz | graeme: yes |
| 00:38.19 | graeme | shingouz: gah! |
| 00:38.30 | shingouz | it does the same thing with a simple 'u' which turns into 'you'. oh, and i find it very hard to type 'teh' too... |
| 00:39.01 | chacho | mine doesent do anything like that |
| 00:39.18 | pedro420 | What was that for shingouz |
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| 00:39.32 | shingouz | this is a pretty old version and i haven't been able to locate the place to disable the "feature" yet |
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| 00:40.02 | shingouz | pedro420: the uname? just so i could see if you are really runninng a kernel that is capable of what you ask it to do |
| 00:40.21 | pedro420 | Am i |
| 00:40.27 | shingouz | yes you are |
| 00:40.41 | pedro420 | Oh okay |
| 00:41.14 | shingouz | pedro420: i am just beginngin to suspect that you do not have the usb loaded at all. i haven't been really looking at what happens there but i just have a feeling |
| 00:41.32 | pedro420 | How do I load it |
| 00:41.55 | pedro420 | My usbmouse is but I have 2 ports on the front |
| 00:42.10 | pedro420 | And th mouse is in the top one |
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| 00:42.25 | shingouz | pedro420: you have the usbmouse running? ok, in that case you have usb there but do you have the usb-storage loaded? |
| 00:42.46 | pedro420 | How do I load that sh‌ingouz |
| 00:43.05 | shingouz | pedro420: lsmod | grep storage |
| 00:43.25 | shingouz | pedro420: if nothing comes out of that, modprobe usb-storage |
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| 00:43.40 | jdub_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.52 | jdub_ | is '(' an illegal character for the bash shell? |
| 00:44.13 | rixth_ | Okay, my remote now works under Debian (if a run mode2 it picks signals up). How do I make it control things? (Like RhythmBox) |
| 00:44.25 | pedro420 | All both oif them did was bring up another debian line |
| 00:44.30 | shingouz | !tell pedro420 about usb-storage |
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| 00:44.55 | nvz | pedro420: front usb ports are usually bad places to plugin input devices like mice and keyboards |
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| 00:44.59 | tcsetattr | show us the code, jdub |
| 00:45.27 | jdub_ | i'm just trying to CD into a directory that has paranthesis |
| 00:45.31 | pedro420 | Now that lsmod grep storage works |
| 00:45.47 | Eulex | jdub_, do \( |
| 00:46.06 | shingouz | pedro420: now try to mount the drive as root somewhere, lets screw with the other settings later |
| 00:46.16 | jdub_ | so put a \ before any ( or ) |
| 00:46.18 | jdub_ | ? |
| 00:46.19 | Eulex | jdub_, or enclose the path in quotes: "" |
| 00:46.23 | Eulex | jdub_, yes |
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| 00:46.39 | tcsetattr | put a \ before any cahracter that doesn't behave like a "normal" character |
| 00:46.46 | jdub_ | or enclose the path in quotes. ok awesome. i figured there was an evaluation character. i just didn't know what it was |
| 00:46.54 | tcsetattr | in sh, parenthese enclose a series of commands to be run in a subshell |
| 00:47.12 | Eulex | jdub_, it's called escaping the characters |
| 00:47.33 | jdub_ | ok |
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| 00:47.52 | Eulex | anyway, gotta go |
| 00:47.54 | tcsetattr | or an arithmetic expression if it's doubled parentheses... or a function definition... |
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| 00:49.39 | pedro420 | What was the last thing I should do shingouz |
| 00:49.41 | jdub_ | cool thanks guys. i couldn't remember the syntax. |
| 00:49.42 | nvz | rixth_: I would think the program would have to have support for such a thing |
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| 00:49.56 | nvz | rixth_: like lirc support or such |
| 00:50.11 | shingouz | pedro420: mount the drive as root somewhere, lets fool with the other settings as soon as we know it works in the first place |
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| 00:50.57 | pedro420 | NVZ: SCOTTO is that you |
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| 00:51.10 | jdub_ | anyone know of a really good mp3 renaming utility. i've found quite a few. but none of them are that great. any suggestions? |
| 00:51.28 | nvz | pedro420: who might you be expecting? as if anyone else around here is smart enough to gain access to my terminal |
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| 00:52.16 | WiFiTux | Is there a cool game included in Sid non-free? |
| 00:52.19 | pedro420 | nvz: wanna go bowling ? |
| 00:52.57 | nvz | pedro420: that would be cool.. though my two pairs of pants are in the washer, I have no idea what happened to my other ones |
| 00:53.30 | nvz | whats with all this cold weather shit, its like mid june |
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| 00:53.40 | pedro420 | nvz: fuck it, just grab yur shoes and go |
| 00:54.24 | WiFiTux | pedro420, you just want to see him in boxers, do you? |
| 00:54.34 | nvz | pedro420: cant let the homely looking white girls across the street see me in my pink boxers :P |
| 00:54.54 | nvz | they were blue or purple or something before I accidentally bleached em |
| 00:54.57 | WiFiTux | "shoes" is the only thing you don't need when going bowling, cause they will give you shoes/ |
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| 00:55.04 | pedro420 | why not |
| 00:55.09 | rok45 | what usually causes kernel panic w/ 2.6 kernel that is related to devfs not able to mount? |
| 00:55.19 | shingouz | K_Dallas: and it is not even sunday yet... scary |
| 00:55.23 | pedro420 | nvz: just rock out wit yur cock out |
| 00:55.24 | K_Dallas | :):) |
| 00:55.24 | nvz | WiFiTux: different kind of bowling, but good point none the less |
| 00:55.27 | dondelelcaro | rok45: on boot? the wrong root option |
| 00:55.38 | chacho | rok45, i dont know, but i made it happen with my ubuntu by uninstalling libc6 :/ |
| 00:55.48 | nvz | pedro420: or maybe I could come over and hang out with my wang out |
| 00:55.49 | WiFiTux | shingouz, is always sunday here |
| 00:55.50 | rok45 | i have the right root option |
| 00:55.59 | nvz | were's sussudio when I am talking about wang |
| 00:56.04 | dondelelcaro | rok45: what is the exact kernel panic message you get? |
| 00:56.09 | WiFiTux | nvz, what other bowling is there? |
| 00:56.10 | pedro420 | nvz: now yer talkin get a move on |
| 00:56.15 | rok45 | dev/console : no such file |
| 00:56.16 | nvz | he's always good for some wang photos |
| 00:56.22 | shingouz | WiFiTux: like i would not know, just that when it is sunday in the outside world too all the freaks come out |
| 00:56.36 | WiFiTux | shingouz, true |
| 00:56.46 | nvz | WiFiTux: heh... bowling is my top-secret slang |
| 00:56.57 | WiFiTux | shingouz, btw, sorry for last time. I have frustrated. ;-/ |
| 00:57.02 | rok45 | there is no devfs in 2.6 kernel, so i don't get it |
| 00:57.07 | shingouz | nvz: and now only about 810 people know about it |
| 00:57.11 | nvz | WiFiTux: you must be at least --- this cool to understand |
| 00:57.14 | WiFiTux | nvz, ok, yes, plese keep it for yourself. |
| 00:57.16 | nvz | shingouz: heh |
| 00:57.23 | trix | shingouz: /exit |
| 00:57.34 | trix | sry meant to exit >_< |
| 00:57.36 | shingouz | WiFiTux: as you can see you already got off the ignore ;) |
| 00:57.38 | WiFiTux | nvz, if I talk to you in spanish, would you understand even a word? |
| 00:57.45 | WiFiTux | shingouz, :) |
| 00:58.06 | nvz | WiFiTux: I'd hope so.. or else I didn't learn shit in the 5 years I studied it |
| 00:58.14 | rok45 | chacho: why would you remove libc6? :) |
| 00:58.22 | pedro420 | putomaricone |
| 00:58.29 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite pedro420 |
| 00:58.30 | nvz | thats two words |
| 00:58.31 | dpkg | pedro420: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker |
| 00:58.45 | WiFiTux | pedro420, we know you are hispanic. unless now eurepeans are now called pedro.. |
| 00:58.49 | pedro420 | who |
| 00:58.50 | nvz | would be trying to say "faggot bitch" I assume |
| 00:59.11 | [Cyberax] | rok45: there is devfs in 2.6 look in File Systems -> Pseudo File Systems -> /dev support enable and automatically mount it on boot |
| 00:59.34 | rok45 | thanks i'll look there now |
| 00:59.41 | pedro420 | chinga tu pince madre |
| 00:59.42 | [Cyberax] | rok45: I believe udev has taken over devfs you can install it with apt-get install udev if you want to try that instead |
| 00:59.56 | rok45 | i did install udev |
| 01:00.22 | rok45 | but it still gives an error booting into it about devfs |
| 01:00.43 | WiFiTux | !knoppixsmite pedro420 |
| 01:01.00 | pedro420 | no i am black fool |
| 01:01.08 | FieldySnuts | @ops pedro420 saying very very nasty things at us in other languages ( <pedro420> chinga tu pince madre ) |
| 01:01.08 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pedro420 saying very very nasty things at us in other languages ( <pedro420> chinga tu pince madre ) |
| 01:01.09 | rok45 | i think the error is pointing to the fs from the ram-disk |
| 01:01.11 | mborohovski | trave11er: ping |
| 01:01.12 | mborohovski | http://pastebin.com/301534 |
| 01:01.14 | mborohovski | any ideas? |
| 01:01.57 | trave11er | mborohovski: ugh, no |
| 01:02.06 | pedro420 | oh i am scared |
| 01:02.22 | dondelelcaro | pedro420: either stop that, or you will be banned. |
| 01:02.26 | pedro420 | act like yall never heard the shit before |
| 01:02.31 | FieldySnuts | this will work for most clients, folks, copy n paste: /ignore pedro420*!*@* all |
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| 01:03.01 | [Cyberax] | rok45: did you compile your initrd.img (inital ram-disk) with your kernel the debian way or did you use mkinitrd after you compiled your kernel? |
| 01:03.07 | pedro420 | lo ciento |
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| 01:03.16 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, AU is not doing very well in Sub-20 soccer, are they? |
| 01:03.29 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: dunno... |
| 01:03.30 | rok45 | i used mkinitrd after the kernel compile |
| 01:03.37 | K_Dallas | sorry guys but what was the link for apt-get site where one oculd search for packages? |
| 01:03.38 | pedro420 | yo no se nada |
| 01:03.39 | rok45 | i didn't know there was a debian way for the initrd |
| 01:03.46 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, :) |
| 01:03.51 | kryptech | I seemed to have messed up my locale and now perl complains with locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 01:03.51 | kryptech | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 01:03.51 | kryptech | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 01:03.53 | kryptech | LANG=en_US |
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| 01:03.59 | K_Dallas | tried apt-get.org/com no good |
| 01:04.00 | FieldySnuts | !sunday |
| 01:04.00 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 01:04.08 | [Cyberax] | rok45: I used mkinitrd also and had the exact same trouble |
| 01:04.09 | kryptech | LC_MONETARY="en_US" |
| 01:04.11 | kryptech | LC_MESSAGES="en_US" |
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| 01:04.13 | kryptech | LC_PAPER="en_US" |
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| 01:04.15 | kryptech | LC_NAME="en_US" |
| 01:04.18 | kryptech | LC_ADDRESS="en_US" |
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| 01:04.24 | FieldySnuts | sheesh. |
| 01:04.27 | rok45 | [Cyber how did u fix it |
| 01:04.31 | FieldySnuts | thanks don :) |
| 01:04.32 | shingouz | permatards... |
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| 01:04.44 | K_Dallas | oh! i needed to type www as well ;) |
| 01:04.54 | dondelelcaro | kryptech: read /topic, and do not paste here. |
| 01:04.56 | FieldySnuts | !lart lack of wildcard records |
| 01:04.57 | [Cyberax] | rok45: when compiling your kernel using make-kpkg use --initrd as an option |
| 01:04.58 | kryptech | no seriously I accidentally pushed cntrl-c |
| 01:05.01 | nvz | I thought it was saturday.. must still be permasunday in #debian |
| 01:05.10 | FieldySnuts | ctl-c wouldn't have done anything like that |
| 01:05.10 | [Cyberax] | rok45: this compiles the initrd.img with your kernel |
| 01:05.22 | rok45 | cool |
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| 01:05.41 | angelFaria | tryng to mkdir inside /sys to add driver but process not allowed. |
| 01:05.55 | dondelelcaro | angelFaria: you can't do that. |
| 01:06.08 | dondelelcaro | angelFaria: /sys and /proc are virtual filesystems. You add the driver by modprobing it. |
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| 01:06.33 | angelFaria | so where do i put my wlan driver files? where to uncompressed them? |
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| 01:06.47 | shingouz | sunday. definitely sunday. i am getting a feeling i should lift my ass end out of the chair and go to bed |
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| 01:07.21 | shingouz | angelFaria: what files did you download? |
| 01:07.24 | [Cyberax] | rok45: dont worry about the warning message about initrd after you start you compile your kernel just choose to continue and everything will be fine |
| 01:07.51 | rok45 | so it has nothing to do with devfs? |
| 01:08.23 | [Cyberax] | rok45: you might want to leave /dev file system support enabled just in case |
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| 01:08.29 | vibey | i have a scsi 160 adaptec adapter.. can i plug in a scsi320 drive into it? |
| 01:08.35 | [Cyberax] | rok45: it wont do any harm |
| 01:08.36 | rok45 | i dont' see "/dev support enable and automatically mount it on boot" in 2.6.12 |
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| 01:09.23 | rok45 | fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.2005.06.18.003 kernel_image --initrd |
| 01:09.24 | rok45 | like that? |
| 01:09.38 | [Cyberax] | rok45: yup |
| 01:09.41 | dondelelcaro | ugh |
| 01:09.50 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why make-kpkg has a --rootcmd option |
| 01:09.57 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 01:09.57 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 01:10.39 | graeme | i'm trying to set up an imap and pop proxy, and perdition is terribly ugly in it's conf, is there something easier/faster/better? |
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| 01:11.02 | rok45 | i also didnt' have "Compressed ROM file system support (cramfs)" selected |
| 01:11.11 | rok45 | i think the initrd uses cramfs |
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| 01:11.30 | nvz | pedro420: well I found some shorts. I guess they'll have to do for now |
| 01:11.36 | angelFaria | dondelelcaro: dpkg doesn´t say much about mdprobre, could give me an hint? thanks |
| 01:11.55 | ccg | is kernel version 2.4.31 recommendable ?` |
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| 01:12.01 | shingouz | angelFaria: what files did you download? (second time) |
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| 01:12.12 | [Cyberax] | rok45: yeah it does |
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| 01:12.27 | dondelelcaro | angelFaria: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:12.30 | rok45 | ok thanks, gonna recompile now :) |
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| 01:13.24 | otroean | Having problem swith k3b. just installed it and when i press burn it says. Writing DVD-R i DAO mode ... Could not find growisofs |
| 01:13.45 | K_Dallas | so install growisofs! maybe ;) |
| 01:13.47 | nvz | otroean: are you going to burn a DVD? |
| 01:14.06 | otroean | nvz : yes a dvd data disk |
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| 01:14.16 | nvz | otroean: then install growisofs |
| 01:14.24 | [Cyberax] | rok45: next time you might wanna use your /boot/config-<kernel-version> file and copy it to your /usr/src/linux dir renamed to .config so that the settings of your current kernel are used and then you can make any minor changes you need |
| 01:14.33 | dx11101 | is their a package you can install to enhance kde themes? |
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| 01:15.01 | angelFaria | dondelelcaro: tryng to install mini-pci ipw2100 wlan driver on my laptop on debian 3.1 unstable. got driver and firmware from sourceforgenet |
| 01:15.06 | otroean | nvz : tried to search in apt-cache but couldn't find it... |
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| 01:15.35 | angelFaria | dondelelcaro: but i'm really a newbie |
| 01:16.14 | nvz | otroean: probably in dvd+rw-tools, though I dont know I've only used mine for CDs so far, and I just ignore those errors |
| 01:16.19 | dondelelcaro | !ipw2100 |
| 01:16.19 | dpkg | [ipw2100] a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
| 01:16.20 | dondelelcaro | angelFaria: ^^^ |
| 01:16.29 | K_Dallas | otroean, install: dvd+rw-tools |
| 01:16.29 | nvz | !find growisofs |
| 01:16.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'growisofs' (1): (/usr/bin/growisofs) in utils/dvd+rw-tools. |
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| 01:18.04 | quittt | do you know a green biohazard wallpaper? |
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| 01:19.34 | SDFH_Linux | any good links for debian wallpapers? |
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| 01:22.29 | jmnet | hello, I am going to be installing debian for a dedicated firewall/router box, what would be the basic packages toinsatll |
| 01:22.30 | benjamindees | somewhat OT, but does anybody know of a password escrow service? like, if I die, they will release my passwords? |
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| 01:22.51 | _OrIoN_ | hi |
| 01:22.56 | _OrIoN_ | hi there |
| 01:23.18 | _OrIoN_ | hello |
| 01:23.18 | otroean | thnx. just needed to install dvd+rw tolls and cdrdao and then it worked :) |
| 01:23.32 | shizo | hi. is there an easy way to mount partitions? Some sort of gui or something? |
| 01:23.35 | trave11er | benjamindees: write a will, or something :-) |
| 01:23.48 | dx11101 | you mean auto mount? |
| 01:23.54 | benjamindees | trave11er, that sounds expensive :) |
| 01:24.48 | shizo | dx11101: what is auto mount? |
| 01:24.52 | _OrIoN_ | guys, how can I moniter my ppp internet connections.. like , which program connecting to which ip.. |
| 01:24.58 | greycat | !info iptables sarge |
| 01:25.01 | _OrIoN_ | * monitor |
| 01:25.01 | dpkg | iptables: (Linux kernel 2.4+ iptables administration tools), section net, is important. Version: 1.2.11-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 372 kB, Installed size: 1240 kB |
| 01:25.08 | greycat | jmnet: the base system and iptables. |
| 01:25.21 | dx11101 | you edit some file somewhere, and it will automatically mount partitions at startup |
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| 01:25.41 | greycat | dx11101: fstab |
| 01:26.05 | _OrIoN_ | guys, how can I moniter my ppp internet connections.. like , which program connecting to which ip.. |
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| 01:26.26 | dondelelcaro | _OrIoN_: with netstat |
| 01:26.26 | shizo | i know this way. but i thougt about some program with a gui or something .... easy. |
| 01:26.32 | peope | _OrIoN_: netstat -p |
| 01:26.37 | dx11101 | dont think so shizo |
| 01:26.38 | jmnet | greycat: thanx |
| 01:26.48 | shizo | ok thanks. |
| 01:26.52 | _OrIoN_ | ok is there any gui monitor for it |
| 01:27.13 | kasper | how do i find out what version of xfree i'm running? |
| 01:27.15 | kryptech | how do you reconfigure a package? |
| 01:27.26 | slowmo | dpkg -l |grep xfree |
| 01:27.26 | dpkg | grep xfree |
| 01:27.40 | kasper | thanks |
| 01:27.47 | peope | kasper: XFree86 -version |
| 01:28.06 | slowmo | peope: but that wont be the debian ver |
| 01:28.13 | peope | slowmo: nopes |
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| 01:30.37 | _OrIoN_ | if I am afraid to lose the packages i got via apt-get install.. how could I save the whole packages on a cd, so that if i format i wont have to install everything again via apt-get ? |
| 01:31.19 | _OrIoN_ | do the packages go to somewhere on my system or should I build them |
| 01:31.31 | thingfish | _OrIoN_: go look in /var/apt/cache. |
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| 01:31.56 | thingfish | oops I mean /var/cache/apt |
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| 01:33.04 | _OrIoN_ | wow |
| 01:33.07 | _OrIoN_ | very nice thanx |
| 01:33.22 | thingfish | no problemo. |
| 01:33.27 | _OrIoN_ | so i should just burn this dir on a cd, and edit my sources.list |
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| 01:33.40 | _OrIoN_ | cool |
| 01:33.54 | _OrIoN_ | I started to love debian |
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| 01:34.17 | _OrIoN_ | much friendly and practical than rpm-distros |
| 01:34.29 | binaryc | _OrIoN_: so now you have to be carefull not to break it or lose it, that is my fear haha |
| 01:34.43 | _OrIoN_ | lol |
| 01:35.05 | _OrIoN_ | dont worry about that, I usually make lots of copies fearing i break/lose one |
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| 01:35.59 | binaryc | i should do that, as i like how everything i set up now (aka it mostly all works) but ehh a new install will be another learning experience |
| 01:36.17 | otroean | i'm new with linux and can't remeber the command to reconfigure the kernel for soundcard support. dpkg-reconfigure ++ |
| 01:36.33 | bwlang | where can i find some docs on build-depends... or can somebody explain it? google can't filter the noise |
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| 01:37.30 | bwlang | otroean: with debian you probably want to use the alsa package... dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 01:37.54 | Donno459 | How do i install phtreads lib? (coz apt-get doesnt find it) |
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| 01:39.21 | otroean | bwlang : i'm meen that config where you enter all info you have in the kernel incl soundcard's... Have to Add soundcore to the kernel... |
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| 01:42.21 | singe | wow, so Theo de Raadt got his anti-Linux rant published in Forbes. |
| 01:42.40 | amphi | singe: sad, huh? Fr0bes |
| 01:42.49 | WiFiTux | singe, yes. |
| 01:43.19 | WiFiTux | sideone, saddes thing is that I said, "I have to try OpenBSD" and I found out it doesn't even support ACPI. |
| 01:43.24 | bwlang | otroean: maybe you're thinking of alsaconf? |
| 01:43.38 | Execution | how can i check on what packages a particular package depends with dpkg? |
| 01:43.39 | singe | it makes me worried whne I see this http://kerneltrap.org/node/5308 though. |
| 01:43.39 | Donno459 | how do i enable phtreads? |
| 01:43.42 | amphi | singe: just that Lyons creature finding more grist for his anti-Linux crusade |
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| 01:43.49 | _OrIoN_ | I have a qs about linux itself not debian in particular, I know it is a google-job for me, and no one is obliged to explain, just need a hint to start googling : my qs is : in linux, if u started playing a sound file using xxms for example, u cant play any sound prog simultaneosly.. saying sound device being used.. why is that? |
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| 01:44.08 | initech | Execution: apt-cache depends <packagename> |
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| 01:44.19 | Execution | initech: thanks |
| 01:44.19 | otroean | bwlang : no it's reconfigure somthing. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+PCI+X+%28Dell+OEM%29.&chip=SB0200&module=emu10k1x |
| 01:44.26 | singe | _OrIoN_: because your sound card doesn't support multiple streams, google for dmix |
| 01:44.28 | amphi | _OrIoN_: crap snd card - you can use dmix to multiplex IIRC |
| 01:44.34 | shizo | is it possible to get root in konqueror? |
| 01:44.36 | thingfish | _OrIoN_: you have onboard sound, most likely. |
| 01:44.40 | bwlang | _OrIoN_: google for dmix |
| 01:44.56 | otroean | That link says i have to add soundcore module to the kernel... |
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| 01:45.03 | _OrIoN_ | my sound cars is AC7 intel |
| 01:45.12 | sphinx | *AC97 |
| 01:45.14 | _OrIoN_ | nice i will tnax all |
| 01:45.17 | thingfish | _OrIoN_: an sblive or audigy is not too expensive, and worth it. |
| 01:45.23 | singe | _OrIoN_: yep, doesn't support multiple streams. |
| 01:45.37 | _OrIoN_ | so i should install a hardware device.. say a sound card not built in |
| 01:45.37 | singe | _OrIoN_: I have dmix working loverly on my Intel AC97 |
| 01:45.47 | thingfish | I certainly would. |
| 01:45.50 | thingfish | and have. |
| 01:45.53 | bwlang | well... once you configure alsa - hotplug should take care of loading your mods... but you can do it manually with modprobe soundcore... |
| 01:45.56 | _OrIoN_ | singe, how come.. mine is built in |
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| 01:46.04 | ethics | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 01:46.29 | thingfish | onboard=cost savings=not many features. |
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| 01:46.36 | ethics | dpkg dmix is http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 01:46.36 | dpkg | ...but dmix is already something else... |
| 01:46.46 | ethics | !dmix |
| 01:46.46 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 01:47.12 | _OrIoN_ | great |
| 01:47.12 | otroean | I have SB Live Model: SB0200 but Alsa can't fint the card... |
| 01:47.17 | _OrIoN_ | I am learning.. |
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| 01:48.31 | Donno459 | This is driving me crazy. Im trying to compile monkeyd but keeps saying Checking for Pthreads ...... No. (How do i install/load/etc it? |
| 01:48.40 | greycat | otroean: #alsa may know more about it |
| 01:48.59 | greycat | Donno459: read the config.log and see exactly why it failed |
| 01:49.07 | Donno459 | okay |
| 01:49.28 | Execution | Donno459: probably you don't have some pthread headers |
| 01:49.33 | Donno459 | okay |
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| 01:49.51 | Execution | Donno459: try searching with apt-cache search pthread |
| 01:49.57 | bwlang | Donno459: maybe it's as simple as installing libc6-dev |
| 01:50.03 | Donno459 | okay |
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| 01:52.54 | WiFiTux | btw, I noticed today that xlock would kick my CPU to 100%, I normally kick it in with tpb. But is fairly unusable if it will kick my CPU to 100% if I put it to lock the screen. |
| 01:53.13 | WiFiTux | Any ideas who should I report this to? bts for xlock? |
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| 01:53.37 | carcrashnights | I had been using my SoundBlaster over my onboard audio. Today I looked into using both of my cards. |
| 01:53.38 | bwlang | i'm trying to rebuild slapd with a bug fix ... i get a lot of warnings about "too many arguements for format" ... Anybody seen this before /know what the problem might be? |
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| 01:54.25 | carcrashnights | After configuring them through /etc/asound.conf and /etc/libao.conf, all of my applications, excluding Mozilla/Firefox play through my onboard card. |
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| 01:54.39 | carcrashnights | Does anyone happen to know how to change that for Mozilla? |
| 01:54.46 | graeme | how do i kill a telnet session? |
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| 01:54.57 | graeme | i mean, from inside it. |
| 01:55.03 | graeme | ctrl-c doesn't work. |
| 01:55.08 | singe | graeme: Ctrl-] |
| 01:55.17 | singe | graeme: might be Ctrl-[ |
| 01:55.36 | graeme | ahh, hence the words 'the escape char is ^[ |
| 01:55.38 | singe | graeme: then type quite |
| 01:55.47 | singe | graeme: yeah, hehe |
| 01:56.00 | jim | singe: you' |
| 01:56.11 | jim | d be quite the typer if you did that... |
| 01:56.43 | singe | jim: ewa? |
| 01:56.51 | Donno459 | Read the ./configure file. and it seems to be wanting to use the pthread.h |
| 01:57.08 | Execution | [04:54:57|/:]# dpkg -l | grep libsdl1.2debia |
| 01:57.08 | Execution | pi libsdl1.2debia 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs Simple DirectMedia Layer |
| 01:57.08 | Execution | rc libsdl1.2debia 1.2.4-1 Simple DirectMedia Layer (with all available |
| 01:57.08 | Execution | ii libsdl1.2debia 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and OSS o |
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| 01:57.15 | jim | singe: you misspelled quit as quite :) |
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| 01:57.25 | aedwards | Folks, I want to test a kernel on a headless box...is it possible to configure lilo to boot a kernel based on time? What I want to do is use the test kernel if time is less than xx:xx:xx else use the current stable kernel. |
| 01:57.27 | Execution | sorry |
| 01:57.31 | singe | jim: aaah, sorry about that. |
| 01:57.33 | Execution | if i have a several packages |
| 01:57.35 | tcsetattr | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 01:57.46 | Execution | looking like with the same name how can i see the full names |
| 01:57.48 | Execution | ? |
| 01:57.58 | singe | aedwards: the source is available :) |
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| 01:58.02 | Execution | tcsetattr: 10zz |
| 01:58.12 | hikenboot | I run debian and vmware gsx and want a user in this case the user is me to control swap file usage how do i set the permissions for a user to do this? |
| 01:58.12 | jim | Execution: LOOK UP! (the sky is falling...) |
| 01:58.34 | thomas22 | Whats an easy to use ftp client for debian? Hopefully something with a nice gui. |
| 01:58.46 | singe | aedwards: you might be able to do it in an initrd |
| 01:58.51 | carcrashnights | gftp |
| 01:58.51 | Execution | tcsetattr: still the same |
| 01:58.56 | john | gftp is good ;p |
| 01:59.01 | thomas22 | ok |
| 01:59.01 | Execution | [04:58:31|/:]# dpkg -l | grep libsdl1.2 |
| 01:59.01 | Execution | pi libsdl1.2debia 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs Simple DirectMedia Layer |
| 01:59.07 | Execution | rc libsdl1.2debia 1.2.4-1 Simple DirectMedia Layer (with all available |
| 01:59.23 | jim | Execution: look closer |
| 01:59.23 | tcsetattr | I don't see your COLUMNS=200 |
| 01:59.30 | Execution | if i want to purge the second one |
| 01:59.37 | Execution | [04:58:43|/:]# echo $COLUMNS |
| 01:59.37 | Execution | 200 |
| 01:59.37 | Execution | [04:59:47|/:]# |
| 01:59.50 | tcsetattr | you set it separately? then you made it a shell variable. |
| 01:59.56 | aedwards | singe where do I look to make these custmiztions in initrd |
| 01:59.59 | jim | you'd need to export |
| 02:00.07 | tcsetattr | FOO=bar cmd # sets FOO as an environment variable in the 'cmd' process |
| 02:00.28 | jim | type the command as he did it... could get better results that way :) |
| 02:00.34 | tcsetattr | FOO=bar ; cmd # FOO is just a shell variable, cmd doesn't get it in the environment. |
| 02:00.36 | Execution | [04:59:47|/:]# COLUMNS=200; dpkg -l | grep libsdl1.2 |
| 02:00.36 | Execution | pi libsdl1.2debia 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs Simple DirectMedia Layer |
| 02:00.39 | Execution | rc libsdl1.2debia 1.2.4-1 Simple DirectMedia Layer (with all available |
| 02:00.42 | tcsetattr | ugh. |
| 02:00.45 | Execution | so?;] |
| 02:00.46 | tcsetattr | NO SEMICOLON! |
| 02:00.47 | singe | hikenboot: chmod on the swapon command |
| 02:01.08 | jim | Execution: you keep guessing on how to do it, and you're editing his statement :) |
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| 02:01.19 | hikenboot | gee wiz thats it...wow that is so predictable..why didnt i think of that! |
| 02:01.32 | jim | Execution: the former is actually ok, becasue you're learning something in the process |
| 02:01.44 | hikenboot | so vmware uses the swapon command ...undernieth its gui..? |
| 02:01.50 | Execution | what an ideot i am! |
| 02:01.56 | jim | but that's exactly the problem with handing out fish |
| 02:02.03 | Execution | it worked by magic ;] |
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| 02:03.20 | agabus | i have a dual display setup, and when i run tux-racer it splits it over the 2 screens. is there a way that i can set it to run on 1 monitor only? |
| 02:03.23 | otroean | The modconf command from root doesn't work? |
| 02:03.30 | comadreja | if I install a package from sources, how do I uninstall it ? |
| 02:03.49 | comadreja | ./configure; make; make install |
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| 02:04.26 | liable | comadreja: make uninstall, if it has that script, otherwise you have to hunt down everything it installed |
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| 02:05.35 | netcat | comadreja: In the future, you might want to use the "checkinstall" program... |
| 02:05.49 | comadreja | netcat: why in the future ? |
| 02:05.54 | mediafly | I'm looking for a tool that shows me all pictures which are currently downloaded by other hosts in my subnet. I know that such a tool exist for Linux but I forgot its name. Can you help me? |
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| 02:06.26 | netcat | comadreja: Hey, I guess now is as good a time as any... :-) |
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| 02:06.48 | comadreja | netcat :) sure, but I mean, can't I use that now ? |
| 02:07.39 | netcat | comadreja: Yes, that is what I meant by my last statement... |
| 02:08.03 | myren | how do i get festival to say something from the comamnd line? |
| 02:08.04 | comadreja | netcat : oops, sorry, I'm an english monkey |
| 02:08.26 | netcat | comadreja: no problem |
| 02:09.30 | myren | i need some way to output information by text to speech |
| 02:09.35 | myren | very fucking badly |
| 02:09.53 | myren | as in, a dead console, a system that hangs in all but single mode, |
| 02:10.25 | myren | i'd like echo-to-speaker |
| 02:10.27 | myren | as in |
| 02:10.29 | myren | echo |
| 02:10.36 | myren | normal echo; but to the sound output |
| 02:10.59 | myren | but i'll setle for anything |
| 02:11.02 | myren | i cant get any output from festival |
| 02:11.04 | tcsetattr | apt-cache search speech synth |
| 02:11.06 | graeme | i hate perdition. |
| 02:11.11 | tcsetattr | oh, I was going to say festival :) |
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| 02:12.19 | WiFiTux | tcsetattr, is festival easy, I mean, will it easyly run? |
| 02:12.21 | tcsetattr | you know a Real Man would blindly type in a shell function that turns a text stream into a series of beeps whose timing represents the ASCII code points... |
| 02:12.29 | tcsetattr | I have no idea, I've never used it |
| 02:12.43 | graeme | myren: echo "dude" | esddsp festival --tts |
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| 02:13.43 | baroni | Hi all. Is there someway to ensure that any files created in a dir with sgid set will have write permissions to the group (g+w) automatically? |
| 02:14.16 | tcsetattr | new file permissions depend on the creator's umask, not the containing directory |
| 02:14.39 | kdibble | Hi, Could someone tell me how to get a tun interface to route all of its traffic through the eth interface? |
| 02:14.57 | myren | how the hell do i exit festival |
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| 02:14.59 | myren | piece of crap |
| 02:15.20 | graeme | myren: ctrl-d |
| 02:15.34 | baroni | kdibble: iptraf |
| 02:15.38 | baroni | tcsetattr: is there some way to set the mask just for the files created in a specific dir? |
| 02:15.59 | tcsetattr | no, umask is a process-wide attribute |
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| 02:16.19 | tcsetattr | you're going to have to settle for some scheme of quickly-chmod-after-creation |
| 02:16.29 | kdibble | baroni: thanks, I'll try it |
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| 02:16.53 | tcsetattr | or force the creator process to set its umask before the creation. |
| 02:17.18 | rend | what does 127.0.0.1/32 mean? will that map to 127.0.0.* ? what about /16? |
| 02:17.22 | myren | crap, esd isnt working |
| 02:17.33 | baroni | how would be the umask in that case ( giving to groups write acess to files created) ? |
| 02:17.40 | graeme | myren: try it without |
| 02:17.46 | dragonfly | anyone here familiar with firestarter? |
| 02:17.53 | singe | tcsetattr: is that true? I know that files created in my www dir on a FreeBSD system have a different umask to my normal homedir files, similarly with files in /tmp |
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| 02:18.41 | rend | or it /32 only one ip and /16 would be the entire class c? |
| 02:18.45 | greycat | singe: if so, that's some fbsd extension |
| 02:18.51 | tcsetattr | singe, I'd love to see a demonstration of that. A script which does "touch /tmp/foo ~/foo;ls -l /tmp/foo ~/foo", and ends up with different permissions... that would surprise me. |
| 02:18.57 | tcsetattr | !cidr |
| 02:18.57 | dpkg | methinks cidr is Classless Inter-Domain Routing, see RFC1517/1518/1519/1520. |
| 02:19.00 | tcsetattr | hmm. |
| 02:19.18 | myren | graeme: festival doesnt do anything, it just idles with echo "dude" | festival --tts |
| 02:19.28 | tcsetattr | /32 is a single IPv4 address. /16 is the same size as a class B (65536 addresses) |
| 02:19.39 | greycat | tcsetattr: is it cheating if one of those file systems is FAT32? :) |
| 02:19.40 | graeme | myren: when i do that, it says 'dude' |
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| 02:20.01 | netcat | rend: /16 = class c |
| 02:20.08 | tcsetattr | uh oh, this looks bad. |
| 02:20.17 | rend | wtf |
| 02:20.27 | Seb | nice |
| 02:20.29 | Xenguy | ops! |
| 02:20.31 | initech | WTF? |
| 02:20.38 | graeme | fuckalotta bots |
| 02:20.41 | ethics | !ops spammbots |
| 02:20.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spammbots |
| 02:20.45 | initech | what - the - FUCK |
| 02:20.45 | tcsetattr | /ignore * notice <-- can't believe I didn't have that done already |
| 02:20.46 | myren | fucking bots... they're everywhere |
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| 02:21.00 | graeme | dpkg: you're ok though |
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| 02:21.06 | rend | where is the goatse guy when you need him? |
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| 02:21.13 | mborohovski | ... |
| 02:21.15 | bah | oh, so thats wheres these notices are coming from |
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| 02:21.43 | greycat | trying to ban all those damned spambots would be hard. |
| 02:21.46 | graeme | ahh, silence. |
| 02:21.50 | rend | hehe |
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| 02:21.55 | myren | does single user mode have a countdown before it resumes normal boot, or will the password prompt wait forever |
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| 02:23.04 | rend | damn... |
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| 02:23.09 | rend | damnit.. #freenode is +m |
| 02:23.09 | tcsetattr | where were we... |
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| 02:23.18 | singe | tcsetattr: you were right, I was just on drugs |
| 02:23.27 | initech | tcsetattr: omg, cybersex? |
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| 02:23.31 | kdibble | baroni: IPTRAF doesnt even show my tun interface even though it's up, and trying -i tunX forces it to say 'interface not supported' |
| 02:23.34 | initech | just kidding |
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| 02:23.50 | Xenguy | tcsetattr: do you recommend that '/ignore * notice' as a temporary or permanent /ignore BTW? |
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| 02:24.06 | jbroome | ouch |
| 02:24.15 | myren | is there any way to keep a module from bein run? |
| 02:24.19 | mborohovski | <mborohovski> http://pastebin.com/301534 |
| 02:24.19 | mborohovski | <mborohovski> any ideas? |
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| 02:24.26 | greycat | were they K-lined, or did they quit voluntarily? |
| 02:24.28 | dvs | myren: blacklist it |
| 02:24.33 | ethics | !blacklist |
| 02:24.33 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
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| 02:25.04 | tcsetattr | I don't know if I've ever seen anything useful in a /notice |
| 02:25.14 | greycat | tcsetattr: idlebot from #idlerpg sends /notice stuff |
| 02:26.05 | rend | so.. as I was asking earlier.. |
| 02:26.05 | kdibble | Hello, can someone tell me how to get a tun interface to route all of its traffic through an eth device? |
| 02:26.11 | rend | I want to allow connections from my class c... |
| 02:26.14 | myren | how do i get /dev/dsp for alsa? i MAKEDEV audio'd |
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| 02:26.21 | tcsetattr | kdibble's question still makes no sense |
| 02:26.25 | rend | will 69.151.232.0/16 map only to the class c? |
| 02:26.25 | greycat | myren: load that emulation module thingy. |
| 02:26.33 | greycat | rend: you want /24 |
| 02:26.35 | tcsetattr | /16 is class B sized |
| 02:26.39 | rend | ahh, thx :) |
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| 02:26.57 | dvs | myren: installing alsa-base should automatically ban all the OSS modules |
| 02:27.08 | tcsetattr | apt-cache search cidr calculator |
| 02:27.08 | greycat | dvs: I think he wants OSS emulation for festival |
| 02:27.11 | kdibble | tcsettattr: I have an application that uses /dev/net/tun and I want it to be able to see the internet, not just the local host |
| 02:27.15 | scott_ | Can someone help me? I'm looking for help on getting dual monitors set up in Ubuntu, but no one in #ubuntu knows what the hell they are doing. |
| 02:27.20 | dvs | greycat: Oh ok. |
| 02:27.21 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 02:27.21 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:27.29 | myren | does single user mode load the disc ro or something? frakking hotplug will NOT stop loading my fscking radeonfb driver |
| 02:27.37 | greycat | scott_: does ubuntu use xfree86 or x.org? |
| 02:27.44 | scott_ | x.org |
| 02:27.57 | greycat | they it's *WAY* off topic in here... try #xorg or #x.org (whichever one exists) |
| 02:28.07 | greycat | s/they/then/ |
| 02:28.09 | initech | myren: really? in sarge? |
| 02:28.20 | scott_ | Well, I'm just joining any channel that can help greycat. |
| 02:28.21 | myren | yeah |
| 02:28.39 | initech | myren: radeon here, not doing it to me ... thankfully, that shit will lock your shit cold |
| 02:28.43 | greycat | #xorg has 79 friendly helpful people. or at least 79 nicks. |
| 02:28.55 | greycat | that's 79 more people than use X.org here. |
| 02:28.57 | myren | thankfully it only locks up my display. :/ |
| 02:28.59 | netcat | kdibble: I read an article over at www.linuxexposed.com about some guy that used the tun device to do wireless via icmp. I just tried the website but it would not load... |
| 02:29.12 | initech | myren: you can always delete the module by hand and depmod -a ... :) |
| 02:29.16 | myren | unfortunately something else in the boot process is locking up my system cold, and its hard to tell what with a frozen display |
| 02:29.23 | carcrashnights | Does anyone know how to get the ALSA headers? |
| 02:29.30 | oobe | what linux soulseek client do people prefer? |
| 02:29.32 | greycat | carcrashnights: look for an alsa -dev package |
| 02:29.50 | myren | its weird, i almost think its compiled in to the kernel statically |
| 02:29.52 | myren | i cant find the module |
| 02:29.58 | _OrIoN_ | hi again |
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| 02:30.06 | shad0w1e | question: is there any way to mount one directory into another such that the new mount contains both the contents of the new directory, as WELL as the contents of the old one???? |
| 02:30.11 | greycat | libasound2-dev - ALSA library development files |
| 02:30.13 | greycat | like that one. |
| 02:30.13 | initech | myren: it is called radeonfb.ko ... |
| 02:30.30 | carcrashnights | Thank you. |
| 02:30.33 | myren | yeah, its not there |
| 02:30.36 | _OrIoN_ | anyone knows adynamic utility logging and monitoring tcp/udp connections through the net ? |
| 02:30.40 | dvs | myren: grep CONFIG_FB_RADEON .config |
| 02:30.43 | greycat | _OrIoN_: a firewall |
| 02:30.57 | kdibble | netcat:thanks, it seems to be down, I would think that there should be some way to use route -add |
| 02:31.13 | Xenguy | _OrIoN_: ippl may be useful |
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| 02:31.25 | _OrIoN_ | I was thinking of an applet working on my desktop |
| 02:31.28 | _OrIoN_ | so I can see |
| 02:31.42 | myren | nothing, CONFIG_FB not set |
| 02:31.44 | _OrIoN_ | hmm |
| 02:31.52 | tcsetattr | shad0w1e, that would be a union mount, and I don't think Linux supports it (though there have been some patches floating around) |
| 02:32.00 | _OrIoN_ | !dpkg ippl |
| 02:32.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, ippl is at http://www.via.ecp.fr/~hugo/ippl/ (IP Protocols Logger) or a configurable program to log all tcp/icmp/udp packets/connection attempts to any port on a system or a new and improved superset of iplogger, tcplogd, etc.. It lacks examples of configuration unfortunately., or check http://larve.net/ippl/ |
| 02:32.01 | dvs | myren: CONFIG_FB_RADEON |
| 02:32.03 | myren | thats so weird, the very last thing the display shows before dispapearing is hotplug running radeonfb |
| 02:32.14 | myren | its not there; the entire Framebuffer tree is off |
| 02:32.19 | shad0w1e | tcsetattr , thanks: my other option is putting in the 50 files or so |
| 02:32.27 | Gil | ; |
| 02:32.29 | shad0w1e | is there any way to move part of fstab, outside of fstab? |
| 02:32.47 | myren | i run /etc/init.d/sshd start in single user mode, but it still wont let me ssh in; any idea why not? |
| 02:32.48 | ethics | myren did you blacklist it? |
| 02:32.49 | _OrIoN_ | thats a logger |
| 02:32.55 | myren | i tried blacklisting it |
| 02:33.00 | myren | its hard to tell if it works with no display |
| 02:33.04 | initech | myren: is the network up? |
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| 02:33.07 | myren | yeah |
| 02:33.09 | myren | i can ping it |
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| 02:33.24 | _OrIoN_ | i need a live monitor.. that even tells me how many bytes every connection sending/receving |
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| 02:34.03 | myren | i tried nmap'ing it and the system shutdown |
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| 02:34.08 | Xenguy | _OrIoN_: tcpdump? ethereal? |
| 02:34.12 | _OrIoN_ | is there a room specialised in tcp/udp stuff ? |
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| 02:34.17 | ethics | etherape? |
| 02:34.55 | myren | why wouldnt ssh work in single user mode? :( |
| 02:34.56 | _OrIoN_ | !dpkg etherape |
| 02:35.02 | tcsetattr | tcptrack? |
| 02:35.40 | _OrIoN_ | I will be soo lucky if I find one.. in karamba themes |
| 02:35.46 | _OrIoN_ | if one exist |
| 02:35.47 | netcat | myren: Have you tried booting it up using Knoppix or something similar? |
| 02:35.51 | Xenguy | cowsay? |
| 02:35.54 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 02:35.55 | Gil | _OrIoN_: ntop ? |
| 02:35.59 | initech | _OrIoN_: what is the problem exactly? |
| 02:36.04 | myren | its a laptop sans cdrom and sans floppy |
| 02:36.11 | _OrIoN_ | not a problem |
| 02:36.20 | myren | getting linux on it in the first place was a living hell |
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| 02:36.41 | _OrIoN_ | I just wana know what programs locally contacting the net, through which tcp/udp ports |
| 02:36.49 | _OrIoN_ | with statiscs |
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| 02:37.09 | myren | i want to just chmod a-x * in /etc/init.d |
| 02:37.11 | myren | grr |
| 02:37.16 | dragonfly | is qtparted no longer available????? |
| 02:37.31 | _OrIoN_ | its like the thing in outpost agnitum firewall iwhich works in windows |
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| 02:37.58 | myren | !blastlist |
| 02:38.01 | myren | !blacklist |
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| 02:38.01 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 02:38.14 | Xenguy | dragonfly: it's in sid anyway |
| 02:38.20 | greycat | myren: try booting with init=/bin/sh to bypass *everything*. |
| 02:38.30 | greycat | myren: /msg dpkg I forgot root's password |
| 02:38.36 | initech | myren: that's a handy factoid ... did not know that |
| 02:39.41 | myren | greycat: nice |
| 02:40.12 | carcrashnights | I'm trying to get Firefox and Macromedia Flash to go through my second sound card, but they seem to be using OSS, which uses my first card. |
| 02:40.15 | myren | i dont think i've ever cornered myself like this boefre. :/ |
| 02:40.19 | carcrashnights | Is there a way to change that? |
| 02:41.21 | myren | fuck! why must hotplug always run!! i've frakking chmod -x'd it, |
| 02:41.27 | myren | blacklisted everything radeon |
| 02:41.30 | myren | it still runs the @#$@#$@# |
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| 02:41.54 | dvs | myren: Maybe it's discover?!? |
| 02:42.08 | myren | chmod -x'd that too |
| 02:42.17 | myren | the screen blanks right after hotplug runs radeonfb |
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| 02:42.24 | tcsetattr | hogplug sounds like a great tool I think I'll install it on all my machines right now |
| 02:42.30 | tcsetattr | so they can fsck up too |
| 02:42.42 | singe | myren: remove the offending module? |
| 02:42.46 | ecliptik | how do I set the init level so it doesn't load gdm at boot? |
| 02:42.53 | singe | tcsetattr: no that's ext2 |
| 02:42.55 | myren | the module doesnt even exist |
| 02:43.08 | myren | ok, so hotplug is rw-r-r |
| 02:43.10 | myren | why is it still being run |
| 02:43.13 | dvs | ecliptik: you can't. update-rc.d might help |
| 02:43.29 | ecliptik | dvs, so remove gdm from /etc/init.d and run update-rc.d? |
| 02:43.30 | myren | greycat: init=/bin/sh is awsome, i can see again, thanks |
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| 02:44.14 | dvs | ecliptik: No, use update-rc.d to remove it from the levels that you don't want it to run from (most likely runlevel 2) |
| 02:45.12 | dvs | ecliptik: or remove it from /etc/rc2.d manually |
| 02:45.19 | myren | why is hotplug even being run? *spit* |
| 02:45.44 | myren | this fucking thing is possessed damnit |
| 02:45.55 | myren | stop running hotplug, start paying attention to your blacklists, do ANYTHING damn it |
| 02:46.23 | ecliptik | dvs, k, I figured out update-rc.d, thanks |
| 02:46.29 | dragonfly | xenguy: what do u mean it's in sid? |
| 02:46.34 | dvs | ecliptik: no prob |
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| 02:47.05 | ecliptik | I'm learning how to create .debs, and I have to say my respect for deb developers has increased 10 fold |
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| 02:49.42 | Xenguy | dragonfly: I mean that that software appears to be available in Debian sid/unstable branch |
| 02:51.27 | kjparker | i know i am missing something, but i am trying to get webmin to work on my internal server, but whenever i try and connect to it i get access denied from my ip address. |
| 02:51.34 | myren | i'm loosing this stupid system |
| 02:51.35 | myren | fuck |
| 02:51.45 | dvs | defibulate! |
| 02:51.51 | myren | i have |
| 02:51.53 | myren | it remains unresponsive |
| 02:52.02 | dvs | up the dose! |
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| 02:52.08 | myren | everything i do to keep hotplug from wreaking havoc is uneffective. :( |
| 02:52.22 | kjparker | what am i missing? if i install from the source from the main webmin distribution site it works, but i don't want to do that... |
| 02:52.25 | myren | i removed it on my server 3 weeks ago and it made everything better on that system |
| 02:53.11 | kjparker | webmin or hotplug |
| 02:53.40 | netcat | kjparker: Have you checked the logfiles on the server to see why it wont let you in? |
| 02:54.12 | kjparker | not yet, though i'm not sure where it logs to... /var/log/messages? |
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| 02:57.41 | kjparker | found them, all it said was access denied and my ip, not why.... |
| 02:57.51 | kjparker | weird |
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| 02:58.55 | kreze1 | I have two network interfaces on my laptop, one wired and one wireless. I want to be able to connect to both at the same time, and have my routes set up so that all traffic to 192.168.*.* goes to the wired (eth0) and everything else goes to the wireless (eth2). How would I set that up? |
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| 03:00.13 | greycat | kreze1: set the default gateway to eth2 |
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| 03:01.29 | kreze1 | so I'd use "route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 dev eth0" and "route add default gw dev eth2" or something? |
| 03:01.44 | supsup | I get a kernel panic error and can't boot Debian. I've reformatted the partition and reinstalled several times and still get the same issue. This is a big problem. It started yesterday after I extracted a different kernel image, but I would think that reformatting would fix that. |
| 03:02.02 | singe | supsup: so use the previous kernel? |
| 03:02.24 | myren | is there any way to render an ls command into less without it strippin out the colors & formatting? |
| 03:02.45 | supsup | I don't know how to do that. And wouldn't reformatting kind of take care of that? |
| 03:03.03 | singe | supsup: reformatting is a windows tactic :) |
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| 03:03.17 | singe | supsup: it wouldn't if it is a hardware problem, e.g. b0rked memory |
| 03:03.48 | supsup | the memory's been good forever, unless changing the kernel broke that |
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| 03:04.22 | dvs | supsup: Or the kernel just aggrevated an existing problem |
| 03:04.30 | singe | supsup: are you running sarge or sid? What kernel were you running before and after? |
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| 03:05.07 | supsup | Sarge. Before if I remember right was 2.6.8 and now after I don't know, it give a kernel panic so I can't check anything really. |
| 03:05.27 | kreze1 | supsup: You can't boot to the old kernel? |
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| 03:06.10 | singe | supsup: when you 'reformatted' didn't it go back to the 2.6.8 kernel? |
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| 03:08.03 | supsup | kreze, I don't think so. I just selected a different kernel from GRUB, we'll see what that turns up. ... GDM is up now if I select 2.6.8.-11-amd64 instead of 2.6.8-11 Default. WTF? Singe, that's why I was confused. |
| 03:08.07 | kjparker | hmm, rtfm helps :) |
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| 03:08.32 | singe | aaaah |
| 03:08.58 | singe | supsup: one of those kernels is for a 64bit AMD processor, the other is not a 32 bit i386 one |
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| 03:09.08 | singe | supsup: what chip do you have? |
| 03:09.25 | supsup | Athlon 64 3200+ Venice |
| 03:09.41 | roods | why would the wc of a file change if i'm only ftping the file from one os to anther |
| 03:09.47 | singe | supsup: ok, you want to make sure you use and boot the kernel with the amd64 in it :) |
| 03:10.02 | dvs | roods: You're FTPing in text mode? |
| 03:10.04 | singe | supsup: the other one fails because it uses instructions for a different chip. |
| 03:10.14 | supsup | they both have amd64 in it, one just says default after it |
| 03:10.15 | tcsetattr | roods, you transferred it in ASCII mode between different OSes |
| 03:10.25 | dvs | singe: But an Athlon 64 should work, shouldn't it? |
| 03:10.33 | tcsetattr | so you got CR's added or removed |
| 03:10.49 | supsup | hmm how do I ensure that it installs only the right kernel? and yeah, Athlon 64 can do 32-bit stuff too I thought. |
| 03:10.51 | roods | i ftped using binary mode |
| 03:11.16 | singe | dvs: oh, I am not clued in |
| 03:11.51 | dvs | supsup: I dunno how the amd64 kernel works but the Athlon 64 should accept that kernel |
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| 03:12.50 | singe | supsup: how far into the boot does it panic? |
| 03:13.08 | myren | yay! system booting. now it only locks up when X tries booting.... ( ? ) |
| 03:13.16 | kjparker | from tasksel, if i say i want a dns server, what does it install by default? bind? |
| 03:13.39 | dvs | bind9 |
| 03:13.52 | supsup | ok. I'm reinstalling it again, can I control which kernel it installs? On the first run it lets me get almost all the way through extracting packages and the configuration, and then when it goes to boot it crashes. There's a bunch of numbers and thigns on th screen, usually something about random numbers but sometimes not |
| 03:14.15 | dvs | supsup: You can use the boot options to install the 2.6 kernel |
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| 03:15.05 | kjparker | what is the difference between bind and bind9 |
| 03:15.30 | kjparker | is there a compelling reason to use one over the other? |
| 03:15.35 | streuner_ | !info bind |
| 03:15.37 | dpkg | bind: (Internet Domain Name Server), section net, is extra. Version: 1:8.4.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 881 kB, Installed size: 2072 kB |
| 03:15.40 | bwlang | kjparker: one is old and broken the other is new and broken ;P i recommend tinydns instead |
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| 03:16.11 | kjparker | bwlang, is there a webmin plugin for that? |
| 03:16.20 | kjparker | !info bind9 |
| 03:16.21 | dpkg | bind9: (Internet Domain Name Server), section net, is optional. Version: 1:9.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 293 kB, Installed size: 736 kB |
| 03:16.40 | initech | phpppt. bind9 is fine. |
| 03:16.53 | bwlang | kjparker: i don't know ... but you should NOT be using a webmin type thing for your dns server. |
| 03:17.03 | bwlang | kjparker: DNS is not for novices. |
| 03:17.33 | initech | kjparker: if you need webmin to set up dns you should probably buy a book instead :) |
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| 03:18.19 | initech | in fact, I would say the very concept of making dns "easy" is offensive! |
| 03:19.22 | tcsetattr | DNS _is_ easy. There's really nothing complicated about it. |
| 03:19.50 | kjparker | this is only a dns server for my internal network.... |
| 03:20.08 | kjparker | just so i don't have to manually update host files all the time |
| 03:20.37 | dvs | kjparker: So you'll manually update the bind configs? |
| 03:20.51 | kjparker | yes, in one place. not in about 10! |
| 03:21.04 | kjparker | :) |
| 03:21.13 | dvs | kjparker: Oh. I never thought it was that big. ;-( |
| 03:21.38 | kjparker | what was so big? |
| 03:21.57 | dvs | kjparker: That many machines on the network |
| 03:22.10 | kjparker | oh, yeah, that's why i want an internal dns.... |
| 03:22.50 | kjparker | i also do alot of stuff in vmware, so dns is usefull.... |
| 03:23.06 | kjparker | i was using a windows dns, but I don't want to do that anymore |
| 03:23.37 | bwlang | kjparker: tinydns is really easy to deal with... you just edit a file and type make... that's it |
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| 03:23.54 | singe | right 5:30am definately my bed time |
| 03:24.10 | kjparker | bwlang, i will look at it |
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| 03:25.06 | mborohovski | trave11er: ping |
| 03:27.08 | trave11er | mborohovski: pong |
| 03:27.14 | dvs | !pong |
| 03:27.14 | dpkg | [pong] the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
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| 03:28.05 | trave11er | i think mborohovski is pinging me diagnostically, just so i would not relax :-) |
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| 03:28.16 | trave11er | because the question usually comes much later |
| 03:28.22 | myren | how do i do ls | less |
| 03:28.31 | myren | and have multiple columns with colorization? |
| 03:28.41 | initech | dpkg: ping pong is NOT a video game |
| 03:29.14 | bwlang | anybody able to get to cacert.org? |
| 03:29.38 | bwlang | i can't resolve blog.cacert.org |
| 03:30.56 | Ether_Man | Dns resolved blog.cacert.org to 202.87.16.200 |
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| 03:31.48 | stupidkid | hey, how do we make apt-get use python 2.4 instead of 2.3? |
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| 03:32.35 | Ether_Man | That would depend if you're running stable, unstable or testing I suppose.. |
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| 03:33.12 | stupidkid | i'm running sarge |
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| 03:35.19 | raf256 | yesterday I sleep-dream abou my possible-new-gf. Today I dreamed about... Linux (debian actually). Now wtf is wrong with me O_o |
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| 03:36.01 | steven_ | hello all. |
| 03:36.12 | MobyTurbo | raf256: you didn't dream about *GNU*/Linux - that was what's wrong with you |
| 03:36.24 | linsengericht | hi all |
| 03:36.49 | linsengericht | i'm looking for some help with debian and alsa-drivers |
| 03:38.42 | steven_ | i want to mount a new partition, but don't reboot. how to do? |
| 03:39.23 | Ether_Man | stupidkid: Long time since I installed debian on any comp so cant say exactly which name is stable but currently the latest python package for stable is 2.3.. If you want 2.4 you need to upgrade to unstable or testing if they are there.. Cant say for sure though.. Cant find any package listing for other than stable :/ |
| 03:39.55 | Ether_Man | or wait.. just found it ^_^ |
| 03:39.57 | Ether_Man | <- is blind |
| 03:40.01 | spdf | Ether_Man, http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 03:40.08 | tcsetattr | that's not true... python2.4 is in stable now |
| 03:40.36 | Ether_Man | tcsetattr: http://packages.debian.org/stable/python/python not according to package listing it isnt.. |
| 03:40.47 | tcsetattr | the package is called python2.4 |
| 03:40.52 | _meppl_ | gute nacht - good night |
| 03:40.57 | linsengericht | i have the problem, that loading of the alsa-modules gives me an "invalid module format". dmesg reads: "version magic: gcc-3.3 should be gcc-3.4" i'm running a 2.6.8-11 sarge on an amd64 |
| 03:41.31 | tcsetattr | "python" is just a dummy pacakge, which depends on python2.3 |
| 03:41.33 | steven_ | i want to mount a new partition, but don't reboot. how to do? |
| 03:41.40 | tcsetattr | steven_, man mount |
| 03:42.03 | Ether_Man | Ah.. So it is.. My bad |
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| 03:42.12 | tcsetattr | if you want help you should try something of the form: "I read the mount man page and tried this commaund: mount _____, but it didn't do what I expected (______); instead it did this: _____" |
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| 03:43.08 | quittt | why aMSN crash so much? |
| 03:43.11 | quittt | !amsn |
| 03:43.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, amsn is Alvaro's Messenger (http://amsn.sourceforge.net/), an MSN client. |
| 03:43.13 | stupidkid | Ether_Man: 2.4 is in sarge |
| 03:43.32 | stupidkid | i installed it but apt-get still forcing me using 2.3 |
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| 03:44.27 | tcsetattr | python2.3 and python2.4 can be installed at the same time. There is no problem here. |
| 03:46.25 | Rucas | lolflod |
| 03:46.43 | tcsetattr | and there's _still_ an unbelievable number of people on this channel |
| 03:46.58 | Azar | weekend maintenance |
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| 03:48.56 | spdf | That was quick |
| 03:49.04 | raf256 | cool \o/ |
| 03:49.16 | tcsetattr | as I was saying before I was interrupted... python2.3 and python2.4 can be installed simultaneously, who was asking about python before the split anyway |
| 03:49.27 | spdf | tcsetattr, Ether_Man I believe |
| 03:49.29 | BlackJoe | how can I make xf86 look for agp instead of pci |
| 03:50.00 | spdf | BlackJoe, By specifying the busid perhaps.. |
| 03:50.02 | Ether_Man | spdf: Er.. no.. I was trying to help some other guy |
| 03:50.17 | Azar | no, no need to specify busid |
| 03:50.33 | Azar | BlackJoe, what kernel are you running? |
| 03:50.33 | spdf | For Force_PCI_MODE 0, that's not it, but along those lines.. |
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| 03:52.04 | BlackJoe | dah!! I don't think thats the problem.. |
| 03:52.40 | BlackJoe | It worked fine with xorg on slackware.. Im try Debian for the first time and I can't get X up. |
| 03:53.31 | BlackJoe | No devices detected |
| 03:55.10 | Gnea | BlackJoe: he problem? |
| 03:55.17 | Gnea | er, s/he/the/g |
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| 03:55.59 | Gnea | !xorg |
| 03:55.59 | dpkg | [xorg] X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 03:56.19 | supsup | apt-setup is hanging, is there some interrupt to make it stop without rebooting? I tried CTRL Z. |
| 03:56.38 | BlackJoe | It's just a vodoo banshee, I think something else is wrong |
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| 03:56.50 | shivraj | CRTL C ?? |
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| 03:57.05 | supsup | nope |
| 03:57.18 | supsup | =\ i'll just reset it |
| 03:57.20 | spdf | BlackJoe, grep 'EE' /var/log/X.log |
| 03:57.22 | shivraj | kill -9 process id |
| 03:57.27 | BlackJoe | Is there a default x86config I can revert back to on the file system? |
| 03:57.41 | Gnea | slack users know kill -9 |
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| 03:58.08 | Gnea | BlackJoe: dpkg-configure xserver-xfree86 is the debian way |
| 03:58.13 | shivraj | me is an ex Slack user |
| 03:58.20 | Gnea | same here |
| 03:58.23 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:58.33 | Gnea | i haven't used slack in 5 years |
| 03:58.47 | shivraj | hehe, thats the last time I used it too |
| 03:58.52 | Gnea | lol |
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| 03:59.04 | shivraj | haven't used linux since then either, now starting to use it again |
| 03:59.05 | Gnea | that was around what... version 3? |
| 03:59.49 | Gnea | !beer shivraj |
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| 04:00.07 | shivraj | yeah, now they're up to 10 or 11 |
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| 04:00.17 | Gnea | fuckin' a |
| 04:00.23 | BlackJoe | Yeah, but the skipped a few |
| 04:00.26 | Gnea | debian's just now breaking 3.1 hehehe |
| 04:01.03 | Gnea | yeah i heard the main developer had some surgery :/ |
| 04:01.05 | BlackJoe | He has a big thing on the page saying everyone else artificially pumped up versions so he did too |
| 04:01.14 | shivraj | I dont see why people use anything but Debian, .. |
| 04:01.18 | mtnman | editing a file with vi, how to s/hg/ph/ for all instances of ph in the file? |
| 04:01.18 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:01.29 | Gnea | i've tried gentoo |
| 04:01.33 | Gnea | used to use redsplat |
| 04:01.40 | shivraj | haha |
| 04:01.41 | mtnman | editing a file with vi, how to s/hg/ph/ for all instances of hg in the file (correction) |
| 04:01.45 | Gnea | tried mandrake |
| 04:01.48 | tcsetattr | :%s/hg/ph/g |
| 04:01.52 | shivraj | what about Ubuntu (funny as hell) |
| 04:01.53 | BlackJoe | I used freeBSD for a while |
| 04:02.01 | Gnea | also some other debian-based distros |
| 04:02.07 | mtnman | thanks tcsetattr |
| 04:02.08 | Gnea | heh, ubuntu won't boot on my system |
| 04:02.13 | BlackJoe | I love the port tree |
| 04:02.22 | Gnea | asus a7x8x |
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| 04:02.24 | Gnea | er |
| 04:02.27 | Gnea | asus a7n8x |
| 04:02.33 | spdf | Ubuntu sounds like a batting couch telling the next batter to bunt too.. |
| 04:02.39 | Gnea | freebsd rocks |
| 04:02.46 | Gnea | very good version control |
| 04:02.52 | BlackJoe | so what was that dpkg-configure command.. didn't work for me |
| 04:02.54 | Gnea | but debain has excellent version control as well |
| 04:02.59 | Gnea | debian |
| 04:03.12 | Gnea | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:03.38 | BlackJoe | thats better |
| 04:03.44 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:03.51 | Gnea | ok |
| 04:03.54 | shivraj | !BlackJoe setup x |
| 04:03.54 | Gnea | it's bedtime |
| 04:03.57 | Gnea | good luck |
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| 04:05.07 | MrJung | rre |
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| 04:05.11 | figsandolives | hey quick question... for SARGE.. I notice there's 14 disk images.. |
| 04:05.22 | Belboz | Woohoo! new kernel! 2.6.12 :) |
| 04:05.22 | figsandolives | ..is it necessary to d/l and burn all of them? |
| 04:05.23 | BlackJoe | hmm.. whats my cards bus ID? |
| 04:05.34 | shivraj | figsandolives hehe |
| 04:05.41 | simonrvn | figsandolives: no |
| 04:05.43 | spdf | BlackJoe, lspci -v |
| 04:05.47 | Belboz | I wonder when it will be available for AMD K7? |
| 04:05.54 | BlackJoe | cool |
| 04:05.57 | BlackJoe | thanx |
| 04:06.03 | figsandolives | shivraj: yeah I figured....are half of them install disks and the other half source? something like that? |
| 04:06.09 | shivraj | figsandolives: u need the first one, once u have a base system you can add the packages u need |
| 04:06.10 | Xenguy | figsandolives: just the 1st CD is sufficient |
| 04:06.14 | linsengericht | can anyone help me with getting the ALSA - Driver running? getting messages from modprobe "invalid module format". dmesg tells gcc-3.3 should be gcc-3.4" gnawing my fingernails on this! |
| 04:06.16 | simonrvn | figsandolives: netinst, plus install via net if you have broadband, otherwise i'd just get 1 and 2 |
| 04:06.21 | Belboz | or maybe I'll just compile it myself, I guess that would work |
| 04:06.24 | BlackJoe | does this sound right? 0000:01:00.0 |
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| 04:06.49 | simonrvn | BlackJoe: that's agp |
| 04:07.22 | bob2 | figsandolives: all 14 are binary, but you can install from the first and get anything else you need over the intarweb |
| 04:07.35 | figsandolives | ohh i see... that must be alot of packages then |
| 04:07.39 | figsandolives | bob2: what are they mostly? |
| 04:07.50 | figsandolives | straight packages of all kinds? |
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| 04:10.15 | BlackJoe | works now.. thanks!!! |
| 04:10.54 | bob2 | figsandolives: yes |
| 04:11.01 | bob2 | figsandolives: sarge contains > 10 000 packages |
| 04:11.59 | figsandolives | oh geez |
| 04:12.06 | MobyTurbo | I think the number is more like 15,000 |
| 04:12.12 | spdf | 15,853 or soemthing.. |
| 04:12.19 | figsandolives | bob2: alright, I think I'm just going to go for it all, lol... one thing..when it comes to debian..Im pretty new to the distro |
| 04:12.25 | figsandolives | do they tend to do alot of updates? |
| 04:12.28 | bob2 | !+dstats |
| 04:12.37 | figsandolives | and make changes |
| 04:12.37 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16870 packages, 1541 maintainers, 33233 MB installed size, 10742 MB compressed size. |
| 04:12.40 | bob2 | figsandolives: stable releases only get security and seriou bug fixes |
| 04:12.40 | figsandolives | patches, etc? |
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| 04:12.48 | figsandolives | nice |
| 04:12.49 | figsandolives | thanks |
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| 04:13.41 | Epod69 | hey everyone |
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| 04:14.12 | quittt | anybody here use aMSN music plugin? |
| 04:14.30 | MobyTurbo | !anybody |
| 04:14.30 | dpkg | well, anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 04:14.46 | Epod69 | how do i have the volume controls in alsa restore when alsa restarts ? |
| 04:15.13 | spdf | Epod69, It should auto store, but try (at the command line) alsactl store |
| 04:15.47 | Epod69 | spdf, what package contains that command, alsactl..dont have it, btw, alsa is compiled into the kernel |
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| 04:16.15 | spdf | Epod69, alsa-base should have it if I'm not mistaken |
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| 04:17.13 | Epod69 | ah, i didnt have that command cause its a root command... |
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| 04:21.25 | spacelobster | what command list the symbols in an archive file? |
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| 04:21.44 | tcsetattr | nm |
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| 04:23.07 | bob2 | in a static lib? nm -D |
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| 04:25.38 | trand | i'm using tesing. then when i try to mount .iso file, this message is printed. |
| 04:25.43 | trand | ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 04:25.43 | trand | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 04:26.40 | trand | and mount is not done properly. how could i solve it? |
| 04:26.41 | spacelobster | tcsetattr thanks |
| 04:26.50 | bob2 | show us the command you're running |
| 04:27.10 | trand | mount -o loop /home/blah/temp.iso /mnt/loop |
| 04:27.25 | bob2 | do you have the loop module loaded? |
| 04:27.25 | trave11er | add -t iso9660 to it |
| 04:27.33 | trand | i'll try |
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| 04:27.52 | Epod69 | i cant seem to get any sounds from kde apps....i am in the control center and I selected alsa as the audio device..i dont have a test sound button to try it out but when i go to System Notifications and click on one of the apps place sounds button i dont hear anything...when playing kbattleship i hear no sounds even though sounds is enabled, anyone know what could be the problem ? |
| 04:29.07 | figsandolives | Epod69: have you tried "alsamixer" in the terminal? |
| 04:29.08 | Epod69 | processtable shows that there is two artsds.. |
| 04:29.29 | icyfire0573 | i deleted a program in /usr/bin/ and created a new program with the same name in /home/$USER/bin, i know if i start a new shell it won't make a difference and use the program in the correct location, but in the current shell it keeps trying to use the old program, someone else had this problem yesterday, but i don't recall the answer, something with "hash" in it, does anyone know? |
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| 04:29.48 | Epod69 | figsandolives, i get sounds from media players..i tried some out and i can play them all togethre too..so i know dmix is working |
| 04:29.55 | Xenguy | Hi, does anyone know the simplest way to make a Debian 'drupal' installation be the default web site (e.g. http://localhost/) ? |
| 04:29.59 | Epod69 | *together |
| 04:30.01 | trave11er | icyfire0573: hash -r |
| 04:30.11 | icyfire0573 | thanks trave11er |
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| 04:46.12 | mborohovski | trave11er: ping |
| 04:46.42 | WiFiTux | ping |
| 04:46.55 | trave11er | mborohovski: dude, if you are pinging someone, ask the question at once |
| 04:46.56 | toresbe | ping |
| 04:46.58 | trave11er | :-) |
| 04:47.07 | mborohovski | ha |
| 04:47.09 | mborohovski | fine |
| 04:47.14 | WiFiTux | I heard trabeller is the guy helping people with the SATA drives :) |
| 04:47.30 | mborohovski | just wanted to let you know that pretty much everything works thus far. |
| 04:47.39 | trave11er | mborohovski: cool |
| 04:47.43 | mborohovski | including wireless thanks to wifitux (and my stupidity) |
| 04:47.46 | MobyTurbo | SATA + N = SATAN |
| 04:47.59 | trave11er | WiFiTux: yeah, we sort of worked out a horrible procedure to make it work |
| 04:48.00 | Xenguy | Anyone use Drupal here? |
| 04:48.03 | tcsetattr | thanks church lady |
| 04:48.16 | WiFiTux | trave11er, how can the boot of sarge support those drives? |
| 04:48.17 | MobyTurbo | tcsetattr: well aren't you special |
| 04:48.29 | trave11er | WiFiTux: it involves a lot of shell commands and a few sacrifices of larger mammals |
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| 04:48.58 | trave11er | WiFiTux: http://www.wooyd.org/d-i/READ.1st |
| 04:49.00 | WiFiTux | trave11er, sucks, you think there will be another installer for that? |
| 04:49.26 | mborohovski | trave11er: oh the mini-iso actually works now? |
| 04:49.31 | WiFiTux | trave11er, thanks. I'll keep it. I get lots of users with this kind of laptops saying they can't install. :) |
| 04:49.32 | trave11er | mborohovski: yeah |
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| 04:49.57 | trave11er | mborohovski: the procedure is somewhat involved though |
| 04:50.22 | mborohovski | hmm, doesnt look it, looks like you just need to install the kernel image before finishing the install |
| 04:50.25 | trave11er | WiFiTux: yes, d-i team is going to release an installer with 2.6.11 kernel at some point |
| 04:50.27 | WiFiTux | trave11er, would you think that a unstable d-i would support it? |
| 04:50.31 | WiFiTux | cool |
| 04:50.50 | WiFiTux | .12 better by now. :) |
| 04:50.59 | MobyTurbo | trave11er: how about 2.6.12, which just got released. :-) |
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| 04:51.14 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: GMTA |
| 04:52.00 | trave11er | MobyTurbo: it will go into unstable within a week, hopefully |
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| 04:52.34 | trave11er | WiFiTux: if you are _really_ interested, here's today's d-i team irc meeting log: http://people.debian.org/~bubulle/d-i/irc-meeting-20050618/log |
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| 04:52.40 | MobyTurbo | trave11er: hopefully not too quickly - the 2.6 series has a lot of regressions |
| 04:53.19 | fjieef | I have Linux working now, that's cool. ^_^ Should I be using an IRC client that isn't KSirc? |
| 04:53.29 | trave11er | MobyTurbo: putting it in unstable helps to find the bugs quicker :-) |
| 04:53.52 | MobyTurbo | trave11er: sid != gentoo |
| 04:53.53 | amphi | fjieef: irssi |
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| 04:54.35 | trave11er | MobyTurbo: no, it's not gentoo, it's a primary testing ground |
| 04:54.40 | mborohovski | fjieef: i like bitchx. |
| 04:54.59 | MobyTurbo | trave11er: testing ground for who? |
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| 04:55.10 | trave11er | MobyTurbo: for packages |
| 04:55.14 | fjieef | Also, I need to install my nForce sound driver but it wants to recompile the kernel. I'm a little nervous about this as I just got the kernel working again, but I want sound. I've done apt-get install linux-kernel-headers and the kernel image, it says that's all good. What are the paths? |
| 04:55.49 | trave11er | MobyTurbo: it is pretty impossible to find the bugs in thing like a kernel without people trying it out |
| 04:56.02 | trave11er | on all kinds of hardware |
| 04:56.09 | qwertz | Hi! I want to connect to a exchange server in my firms intranet. Problem is that the server is only available via remote session when I'm not in the net of our firm but I can log into my linux box at work as kind of bridge between the exchange server and my home box but I don't know how to do that kind of tunneling - any help or suggestions? |
| 04:56.12 | fjieef | irssi's website says it's better than BitchX |
| 04:56.12 | quittt | !export |
| 04:56.28 | quittt | what is the command export for? |
| 04:56.37 | dondelelcaro | quittt: help export; |
| 04:56.40 | icyfire0573 | to pass variables to the system |
| 04:56.47 | nevyn | fjieef: that's cause it is. |
| 04:56.49 | WiFiTux | MobyTurbo, GMTA? |
| 04:56.52 | icyfire0573 | or use them for multiple commands in a shell |
| 04:56.54 | Epod69 | fjieef, is /usr/src what you are looking for ? |
| 04:56.56 | nevyn | fjieef: it's window binding code isn't complete ass. |
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| 04:57.44 | mborohovski | fjieef: technically it is, but i still use bitchx out of laziness |
| 04:57.48 | fjieef | Epod69: that's the path everyone wants to use, but there's nothing in there |
| 04:57.57 | fjieef | OK I'll go with irssi. Thanks. |
| 04:58.23 | Epod69 | fjieef, are you wanting to compile your own kernel ? |
| 04:58.42 | Mobile-Linux | after changing my screen size by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it is still the same size. I would like 800x600 not 640x480. Is there any other config that I need to change to do this? |
| 04:58.46 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: Great Minds Think Alike |
| 04:58.50 | fjieef | I don't want to, nForce drivers do |
| 04:58.51 | mborohovski | oh, and wifitux, in case you were wondering, it IS the 915PM chipset |
| 04:58.52 | WiFiTux | trave11er, thanks |
| 04:59.04 | WiFiTux | mborohovski, Yep. I knew that. |
| 04:59.07 | WiFiTux | ICH7 |
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| 04:59.09 | WiFiTux | 6 |
| 04:59.21 | mborohovski | heh |
| 05:00.29 | fjieef | I don't want to, nForce drivers do, but yeah, I need to |
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| 05:03.59 | black13 | i want to reduce the size of perl that is intalled on sarge any advice |
| 05:04.05 | fjieef | I need to recompile my kernel, how do I do that. |
| 05:04.20 | fjieef | apt-get says I have the latest image and headers |
| 05:04.47 | caphuso | black13: don't |
| 05:05.01 | black13 | caphuso, why not? |
| 05:05.01 | WiFiTux | fjieef, what for? |
| 05:05.13 | fjieef | nforce driver install |
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| 05:05.25 | angel | hola warrior |
| 05:05.26 | fjieef | kernel version 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 05:05.30 | black13 | caphuso, i need this to fit in a flash device ... |
| 05:05.35 | WiFiTux | fjieef, you don't need that. |
| 05:05.41 | fjieef | I need the sound to work |
| 05:05.42 | caphuso | black13: use a bigger flash device |
| 05:05.46 | angel | no |
| 05:05.47 | angel | son bots |
| 05:05.58 | fjieef | how do I do that without the nForce driver |
| 05:06.05 | black13 | caphuso, you have given me a convincing argument |
| 05:06.11 | angel | estoy |
| 05:06.14 | angel | en el mismo |
| 05:06.16 | WiFiTux | peace out |
| 05:06.17 | angel | servr que ellos |
| 05:06.18 | angel | no me ves |
| 05:06.19 | angel | > |
| 05:06.20 | angel | ? |
| 05:06.21 | WiFiTux | angel, en ingles, en Ingles. |
| 05:06.25 | AwesomeMachine | fjieef: you type make-kpkg clean in the kernel source directory, type cp /boot/config* .config, type make xcofig, configure the kernel, save the config file, type make-kpkg --revision=something kernel_image |
| 05:06.25 | caphuso | black13: messing with perl is a safe way of making your system unusable |
| 05:06.30 | angel | shut up |
| 05:06.32 | angel | wifitux |
| 05:06.36 | angel | ves |
| 05:06.37 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 05:06.40 | angel | warrior |
| 05:06.41 | WiFiTux | !es |
| 05:06.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:06.43 | caphuso | black13: you have to ask what to do. this means you're not up to the task |
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| 05:07.13 | WiFiTux | caphuso, :) |
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| 05:07.47 | WiFiTux | peace out. |
| 05:07.49 | Millhouse | anyone here use opendchub? |
| 05:08.16 | caphuso | black13: there are dozens of linux distributions optimized for disk space around. why are you trying to use debian when it makes no sense? |
| 05:08.46 | black13 | caphuso, debian is well documented |
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| 05:09.24 | caphuso | black13: and unsuitable for disk space restrained environments |
| 05:09.24 | fjieef | how do I get onboard sound for nForce 3 Ultra to work |
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| 05:09.51 | black13 | caphuso, on this point you totall wrong i have it down 40 meg |
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| 05:10.04 | black13 | with xorg and sdl |
| 05:10.09 | black13 | and very stable |
| 05:10.20 | AwesomeMachine | fji, you might need a module the kernel source doesn't have |
| 05:10.42 | caphuso | black13: that's not debian |
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| 05:11.36 | potam | k |
| 05:11.46 | empty | God I love this new laptop- 20 minute fresh kernel compile |
| 05:11.55 | black13 | caphuso, if you cant help me i should move nice speaking to you |
| 05:12.25 | fjieef | I downloaded the drivers, but they want to recompile the kernel. People told me not to. apt-get says I have the latest headers and image. How do I setup nVidia installer to compile the new kernel it wants to? |
| 05:12.26 | empty | if I did "make deb-pkg" in 2.6.12 it should work right, right? Any known issues? |
| 05:12.41 | caphuso | empty: yes, it should |
| 05:12.47 | Millhouse | whats a good dc hub (server side) for linux. I just tried opendchub and it blows chunks |
| 05:12.57 | empty | caphuso, thanks |
| 05:12.59 | caphuso | using make-kpkg is better |
| 05:13.08 | AwesomeMachine | fjieef: it really said recompile the kernel |
| 05:13.44 | empty | caphuso, was not sure how well that'd work with a vanilla kernel |
| 05:13.55 | caphuso | empty: better |
| 05:14.28 | empty | caphuso, better how? |
| 05:14.29 | fjieef | it says it doesn't have precompiled kernel interface and it will need to compile a new one |
| 05:14.31 | raf256 | what source package should I get if I want to apply some patches to my 2.6.8-k7 kernel? The patches are: kernel-patch-atopcnt etc. I also watn to apply grsecurity2 patch.. but it is not clearly said, is this package for 2.4.x or 2.6.x kernels? |
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| 05:14.45 | caphuso | empty: it has been tested for years now |
| 05:14.47 | AwesomeMachine | fjieef: that is a bit different |
| 05:14.53 | AwesomeMachine | just let it do it |
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| 05:15.10 | empty | raf kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 05:15.24 | fjieef | oh I see. Well it asks for the path to my source and I don't know it. There's nothing in /usr/src but apt-get says I have the headers |
| 05:15.24 | empty | raf256 I meant |
| 05:15.27 | caphuso | empty: thousands of people have used it successfully. it's made by people knowing the debian way of handling kernels inside out |
| 05:15.52 | empty | caphuso, OK well I will try that if this one does not work |
| 05:16.00 | raf256 | empty: thanx... and do You know is the kernel-patch-grsecurity2 can be used to 2.6.8 ? |
| 05:16.10 | empty | caphuso, thanks for the heads up |
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| 05:16.28 | empty | raf256, no clue but that should be covered in the README or INSTALL in the patch tgz |
| 05:18.28 | fjieef | oh I see. Well it asks for the path to my source and I don't know it. There's nothing in /usr/src but apt-get says I have the headers. So what do I need to do? I'm a little short on time. |
| 05:19.05 | empty | Well guys I am fjieef headers!=source |
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| 05:19.17 | empty | err I am off to try this out I mean |
| 05:19.22 | AwesomeMachine | fjieef: look in /lib/modules |
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| 05:19.36 | myren | is there someplace i can put options for loading a module? |
| 05:20.01 | AwesomeMachine | myrem, in modprobe |
| 05:20.08 | caphuso | myren: /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/something, depending on kernel version |
| 05:20.10 | trand | hmm... only some game cd image is not mounted(perhaps protection?). normal images is done well. |
| 05:20.12 | rking | why do gimp tools sometimes have the "No Sign" (circle with a clash) stuck to the cursor, and the tool unusable - for example, right now, i can't draw bezier curves, and i have no idea why |
| 05:20.30 | trand | thanks for help |
| 05:21.26 | myren | i dont see how modprobe.d works |
| 05:21.35 | rking | i've looked at the context-sensitive help for bezier tool, read the whole thing, and can't see a thing about it |
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| 05:22.26 | rking | i hope that when i find out why this is acting this way there's a darned good reason, this is very frustrating |
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| 05:22.31 | fjieef | it's not finding it, it keeps trying to do stuff and /linux |
| 05:23.20 | trave11er | fjieef: if you have kernel-headers installed, you can specify the source directory in two ways: |
| 05:23.22 | AwesomeMachine | fjieef: there's nothing in /usr/src |
| 05:23.35 | trave11er | /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 |
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| 05:23.52 | trave11er | or /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/build |
| 05:23.53 | bucky | fjieef, will module-assistant set that up ? |
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| 05:24.02 | trave11er | the latter is symlinked to the former |
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| 05:24.11 | bucky | apt-get module assistant and see if it's available |
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| 05:25.39 | mborohovski | anyone ever burn a double layer dvd in debian? |
| 05:25.42 | mborohovski | if so, how? |
| 05:25.42 | mborohovski | lol |
| 05:25.55 | myren | will the modprobe.d/ stuff work for modules in /etc/modules |
| 05:26.00 | rking | seriously, why would gimp allow me to paint with a brush, but not draw a path? |
| 05:26.27 | rking | mborohovski: have you tried just trying to write a huge thing to it? |
| 05:26.41 | rking | mborohovski: i would expect the hardware to just deal with it |
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| 05:27.41 | fazer | shingouz: Hi =) |
| 05:28.42 | Millhouse | whats a good dc hub (server side) for linux. I just tried opendchub and it blows chunks |
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| 05:32.52 | helo | i need some help installing perl modules using apt... |
| 05:32.59 | helo | or not using apt... |
| 05:33.14 | helo | i recall there being a program that automatically installed modules apt style |
| 05:33.37 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:34.02 | peterS | helo: apt-get install packagename, as always. 'apt-cache search HTTP::Proxy' for example to find the module package you want |
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| 05:34.17 | tweek | Hello |
| 05:34.29 | helo | i tried searcing just by module name, but no luck |
| 05:34.31 | rking | grepper: ooh - i'll need that later on |
| 05:34.34 | peterS | helo: if the package doesn't already exist in Debian, you can use dh-make-perl as grepper says |
| 05:34.36 | rking | helo: what module are you looking for? |
| 05:34.42 | helo | ahh, thanks |
| 05:34.45 | helo | a few misc |
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| 05:34.55 | helo | IO:Stringy, MailTools |
| 05:35.14 | tweek | is there a newbies guide to setting up AC97 sound in sarge? |
| 05:35.18 | Solet-deb | is it possable to run a local program on a remote machine? for example have a machine running as a router also do spyware/virii sweeps on all the machines underneith it? |
| 05:35.31 | rking | helo: really, i just use cpan or cpanp |
| 05:35.59 | VoX | anyone know any good how-to's for snmp? |
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| 05:36.57 | rking | Solet-deb: well, you can send arbitrary commands to the other servers - ssh foo.server 'echo bar; echo baz' |
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| 05:37.38 | rking | !tell tweek about ac97 |
| 05:37.47 | Solet-deb | but thats running the command on the remote machine.... |
| 05:37.53 | rking | tweek: maybe that'll help |
| 05:38.01 | mborohovski | anyone here use nerolinux? |
| 05:38.08 | mborohovski | !tell mborohovski about ac97 |
| 05:38.16 | rking | Solet-deb: scp gliptz.pl foo.server; ssh foo.server gliptz.pl |
| 05:38.21 | tweek | rking, snd-au8810 but |
| 05:38.30 | tweek | i got the "810" driver and it didn't help |
| 05:38.38 | rking | Solet-deb: in some way or another you have to transfer the program to that other machine so you can execute it |
| 05:38.51 | black13 | rking, i would like to know what i can trim down or away from my intall |
| 05:38.51 | rking | mborohovski: you can just /msg dpkg ac97 |
| 05:39.04 | mborohovski | yeah, i got that, i didnt know what !tell did lol |
| 05:39.08 | black13 | rking, perl modules sorry i meant ot say |
| 05:39.13 | mborohovski | thanks :) |
| 05:39.26 | Solet-deb | hrm... i think it would be easier to remotely mount the filesystems... sweep for spyware and virii... kill them, then unmount.... |
| 05:39.47 | tweek | where is the "ALSA" config file usually found? :| |
| 05:39.47 | black13 | i have a similar question, i would like to know if its possibel to remove some of the perl module files |
| 05:39.53 | mborohovski | anyone use nerolinux? |
| 05:39.58 | rking | black13: apt-get remove whatever; it'll tell you what all the dependents are. |
| 05:40.12 | peterS | mborohovski: never heard of it, does it have anything to do with debian? |
| 05:40.20 | black13 | rking, i see |
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| 05:40.26 | rking | black13: ehh... the core modules are pretty numerous, but i don't know if you would want to remove any of them |
| 05:40.46 | spdf | mborohovski, it works well enough. |
| 05:40.52 | rking | black13: i'll send you $0.35 so you can buy the extra hard disk space required to hold them. =) |
| 05:40.53 | black13 | rking, xorg depends on perl |
| 05:41.25 | rking | black13: what's wrong with the .pm's? do you have a <1Mb hdd? |
| 05:41.41 | spdf | black13, How large is the flash device you're trying to fit all this on? |
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| 05:41.42 | black13 | rking, what about all the pl files? |
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| 05:41.58 | black13 | i would like to get it down to 64 meg |
| 05:42.02 | rking | ahhh |
| 05:42.12 | spdf | black13, And perl is the only thing you can trim? |
| 05:42.20 | bucky | black13, get rid of perl and use Hedgehog Lisp |
| 05:42.32 | bucky | and use busybox for a shell |
| 05:42.43 | rking | black13: well, i'd try to remove the dependency on perl - xfree86 doesn't require it |
| 05:42.58 | black13 | rking its only in one place i see |
| 05:43.01 | spdf | black13, you've removed everything in /usr/doc and /usr/share/doc? |
| 05:43.08 | raf256 | damn |
| 05:43.09 | black13 | spdf, oh yeah |
| 05:43.13 | raf256 | wtf is wrong with linux? |
| 05:43.19 | rking | black13: have you run a: du / | sort -n |
| 05:43.20 | raf256 | is it starting to be as buggy as windows? |
| 05:43.29 | rking | raf256: linux is teh suck. |
| 05:43.39 | black13 | rking, yep i have remvoed most of the xorg fonts |
| 05:43.52 | raf256 | AFAIK there are not only meany left user->root exploits, but also some problems with hypertreading and information leaking |
| 05:43.58 | bucky | black13, what's this for... a wireless AP? there's about 20 based on debian already |
| 05:44.03 | black13 | i dont use the xorg deb packages but build xorg |
| 05:44.07 | black13 | bucky, slot machine |
| 05:44.23 | tweek | !tell tweek about ALSA configuration file |
| 05:44.26 | raf256 | in that kerneltrap.org article, when one process can detect memory access pattern of other process while both running on same CPU core..? |
| 05:44.35 | rking | black13: most of the core modules could go away. you'll just have to find out what your scripts depend on the hard way - by running and watching failures |
| 05:44.36 | tweek | :\ |
| 05:44.38 | raf256 | and this is fixed in *BSD... why not in linux? |
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| 05:44.39 | tweek | it was worth the try |
| 05:44.46 | rking | black13: but perl will run even if you rm -rf /usr/share/perl |
| 05:44.48 | bucky | tweek, which kernel? |
| 05:44.55 | tweek | 2.6 something :| |
| 05:45.02 | raf256 | tweek: uname -a |
| 05:45.03 | spdf | tweek, uname -a |
| 05:45.16 | rking | tweek: try this: http://panoptic.com/rking/doc/linux-sound-desperation-HOWTO.txt |
| 05:45.25 | tweek | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.27 | bucky | tweek, apt-get alsa-base discover |
| 05:45.32 | bucky | and use alsaconf |
| 05:45.38 | black13 | rking, yep its kind of like i have gotten the big saves out of the way now i am trying find more places to squeesze |
| 05:45.41 | raf256 | tweek: -386?? what computer do you have (CPU)? |
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| 05:45.48 | tweek | i have a 64 bit |
| 05:45.53 | raf256 | tweek: ath64? |
| 05:45.56 | tweek | but i use 32 bit distro |
| 05:46.02 | raf256 | tweek: thne install -k7 at least |
| 05:46.07 | raf256 | it will run quite faster |
| 05:46.13 | MobyTurbo | raf256: the fix in *BSD is a hack - it simply disables hyperthreading. You can do the same thing by not running an SMP kernel in Debian |
| 05:46.14 | tweek | it seems fast |
| 05:46.17 | black13 | the other reseason for triming down files is that every file on slot machine has to pass gaming commision inspection |
| 05:46.29 | rking | black13: things like strict.pm are probably not going to be removeable. things like CGI* probably are. |
| 05:46.29 | black13 | one less file means one less thing to explain (dig) |
| 05:46.39 | raf256 | black13: I was told the oposite, in linux it is just disabled... isnt it? |
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| 05:47.17 | bucky | black13, theres an option in the kernel to make it smaller too |
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| 05:47.59 | black13 | bucky, i have slimmed down the kernel as much as possible ... |
| 05:48.01 | rking | does anyone know why the gimp sometimes disables tools, such as the bezier-path tool? right now, i can click on it, but i have a big circle with a slash every time i try to use it |
| 05:48.09 | spdf | black13, After you trim this all down, are you going to have enough room for your slot machine software as well? |
| 05:48.18 | bucky | black13, theres an option in the kernel to make it smaller for embedded devices |
| 05:48.35 | rking | oh dammit - i finally got it |
| 05:48.47 | black13 | bucky, really you mean compress the kernel? more than bz-ing it? |
| 05:48.48 | tweek | <3 |
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| 05:48.52 | tweek | "alsaconf" |
| 05:49.01 | tweek | it requires root? |
| 05:49.11 | black13 | spdf, i will prbably need 128meg for the game ... its a hog |
| 05:49.19 | bucky | black13, uses less memory.. kernel 2.6 |
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| 05:49.41 | bucky | tweek, yes |
| 05:49.54 | tweek | lies! after alsa said it was setup it still doesn't work :\ |
| 05:50.12 | bucky | tweek, turn the volume up] |
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| 05:50.23 | tweek | i tried |
| 05:50.27 | tweek | it just goes down |
| 05:50.27 | black13 | bucky, i have much about 2.6 that makes me want to move to it. but we been told buy one of the firmware engineers that we have to stay with 2.18 |
| 05:50.29 | tweek | by itself |
| 05:50.33 | empty | Yep, I'm a tool.... just made clean and am now using "make-kpkg --arch-in-name --initrd buildpackage |
| 05:50.40 | empty | tweek, tried on your hardware or tried in alsamixer? |
| 05:51.08 | bucky | tweek, alsamixer |
| 05:51.11 | empty | black13, *2.18*? For the love of God why? |
| 05:51.19 | bucky | tweek, alsamixer as user |
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| 05:51.36 | empty | tweek also make sure your user is in the audio group |
| 05:52.00 | black13 | we use a controller card that is about 5 years old |
| 05:52.02 | SDFH_Linux | any apt-ger repository for openoffice 2.0? |
| 05:52.12 | tweek | empty, how do i check that :| |
| 05:52.17 | empty | black13, that sucks |
| 05:52.20 | black13 | and the driver for that was written 5 years ago |
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| 05:52.28 | empty | tweek, as root "adduser tweek audio" |
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| 05:52.36 | tweek | ok |
| 05:52.50 | empty | tweek, it will just spit an error if you are and add you if you arne't |
| 05:52.53 | bucky | tweek, which version of debian are you using/ |
| 05:52.58 | tweek | sarge |
| 05:53.17 | henryb | SDFH_Linux, afaik not for debian, but ubuntu has a 1.9x out that works... |
| 05:53.18 | black13 | i am trying to make improvments slowly ... the original linux for this game was a redhat isntall cd what had the anaconda sliced off and game stuck on |
| 05:53.29 | SDFH_Linux | does it work for debian? |
| 05:53.38 | henryb | SDFH_Linux, i am using it on debian... |
| 05:53.42 | mborohovski | anybody have any idea why the lcd would not come back after an s3 sleep? that is, on resume, there is no lcd |
| 05:53.46 | henryb | SDFH_Linux, not sure if that is flukey though |
| 05:53.47 | nvz | SDFH_Linux: if you must have it, you should check apt-get.org for unofficial repositories |
| 05:53.52 | empty | black13, LOL Redhat worked without python?? |
| 05:54.06 | SDFH_Linux | can you give me the linky henryb? |
| 05:54.34 | henryb | SDFH_Linux, just use the default ubuntu mirror, lotsa info on ubuntu.org ;) |
| 05:54.39 | black13 | empty, mostly what i want to do is kill off the old game slowly |
| 05:54.39 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 05:54.42 | SDFH_Linux | thanks |
| 05:54.49 | henryb | good luck with it, it's worth it |
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| 05:55.02 | helo | i eat pigs. |
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| 05:55.03 | tweek | empty, bucky, it doesnt find a "sound channel" but it does detect my hardware |
| 05:55.21 | black13 | anywy i want to trim down perl if i can or just not use it all together |
| 05:55.32 | empty | black13, heresy |
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| 05:55.59 | bucky | tweek, lsmod.. is snd, soundcore, snd_ac97_codec and yada yada yada loaded? |
| 05:56.04 | torgrimt_ | anytone know a way to create a "macro" for a ncurses program? i mean like, press this button, do that. etc? |
| 05:56.09 | torgrimt_ | is it possible? |
| 05:56.14 | rking | black13: so you were saying xorg is the only thing that depends on it, right? i didn't catch your answer of why xfree86 wasn't an option? |
| 05:56.48 | raf256 | empty: the kernel-source-2.6.8 contains the newest debian 2.6.8 kernels (including debian-specyfic patches)? After isntalation where the sources will be puted (and where will be kernel-patch-atopcnt src puted so that I can patch -p it and make) |
| 05:56.48 | black13 | rking, when i started using xorg i got more help froom the xorg folks |
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| 05:56.57 | tweek | bucky soundcore is not |
| 05:57.00 | tweek | but the rest are |
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| 05:57.11 | tweek | my bad |
| 05:57.15 | tweek | soundcore is on |
| 05:57.29 | bucky | tweek log out and log back in.. check your volume again |
| 05:57.34 | tweek | ok |
| 05:57.36 | tweek | brb |
| 05:57.52 | mborohovski | anybody have any idea why the lcd would not come back after an s3 sleep? that is, on resume, there is no lcd |
| 05:58.41 | nvz | mborohovski: the more pressing question I think, is where the hell it went when the pc went to sleep. |
| 05:58.42 | black13 | rking, you use older version of things people say hey we are working on the new version we can help you give advice on what we are working with now ... originall i wanted to use kdrive iit was nice small but know one knew how to use .. it was being actively as activle used as xorg |
| 05:59.07 | nvz | mborohovski: I've never known them to up and leave |
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| 05:59.46 | graeme | nvz, once i moved my house and my mouse left me. |
| 06:00.06 | empty | mborohovski, what video card? |
| 06:00.06 | nvz | disturbing |
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| 06:00.31 | nvz | I once mv'd my /home, but I don't think I could move my house, its too big |
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| 06:00.34 | raf256 | the kernel-source-2.6.8 contains the newest debian 2.6.8 kernels (including debian-specyfic patches)? After isntalation where the sources will be puted (and where will be kernel-patch-atopcnt src puted so that I can patch -p it and make) |
| 06:00.42 | empty | nvz, use goatse.cx tubgirl and workse.cx as a screensaver and they will run away from home |
| 06:00.52 | tweek | I'm guessing "alsaconfig" required a logoff -> login? |
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| 06:01.00 | tweek | bcause now it works :) |
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| 06:01.03 | tweek | because* |
| 06:01.41 | graeme | ok, here's a fun idea.. i have a terminal session that i'm runnning, and i don't want to close it. can i retroactively run screen on something? |
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| 06:01.53 | empty | Man GkrellM has the nice feature of letting me know my compile is still running LOL |
| 06:01.56 | icyfire0573 | graeme: i dont think so |
| 06:01.58 | nvz | graeme: nope |
| 06:02.01 | mborohovski | empty: nvidia geforce go 6200 |
| 06:02.10 | graeme | cuz that would be nice. |
| 06:02.16 | ColonelKernel | wow thats one hell of a laptop |
| 06:02.25 | nvz | would be nice if you would not run things without screen in the first place |
| 06:02.48 | mborohovski | colonelkernel: it is indeed. if i could just get everything working, it would be soooooo nice. but its getting there, step by step. |
| 06:02.49 | graeme | .bashrc screen -r -x |
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| 06:02.59 | empty | mborohovski, I know some graphics cards need messing with upon awakening but my only experience with that is my ATI |
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| 06:03.12 | mborohovski | yeah, i read up on that |
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| 06:03.17 | mborohovski | i cant figure out why it wouldnt work in this case. |
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| 06:04.35 | joaquinz | hi, does anybody know how to get working a snd-cmipci sound card with alsa in debian sarge? |
| 06:04.45 | joaquinz | becuase im doing modprobe snd-cmipci |
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| 06:04.53 | nvz | graeme: does that work? i.e. multidisplay if attached, if detached, attach, and start screen if not running? |
| 06:04.57 | joaquinz | and when i try to load "alsamixer " it says that there is no sound card |
| 06:05.22 | nvz | joaquinz: try running alsa-config first |
| 06:05.25 | nvz | or whatever its calle |
| 06:05.42 | bucky | joaquinz, apt-get alsa-base and discover |
| 06:05.44 | nvz | I am not an alsa fan. I use OSS supported hardware and I am happy with oss |
| 06:05.45 | mborohovski | i shoudl really write a howto for this thing once im done. |
| 06:05.49 | mborohovski | nobody has it yet lol |
| 06:05.55 | bucky | joaquinz, and use alsaconf |
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| 06:06.28 | mborohovski | hey, what dvd burning software do you guys use? i was thinking nerolinux but im not into the whole non-free, non-os thing |
| 06:06.29 | mborohovski | lol |
| 06:06.30 | joaquinz | lucky alsaconf doesnt detect my sound card |
| 06:06.41 | joaquinz | and i've installed discover1 and alsa-utils |
| 06:06.47 | bob2 | alsaconf is useless |
| 06:06.59 | bob2 | mborohovski: nautilus does a good enough job for me |
| 06:07.00 | cahoot | joaquinz: already have an OSS module loaded/interfering? |
| 06:07.05 | bucky | which card uses snd-cmipci |
| 06:07.08 | trave11er | mborohovski: cdrecord? |
| 06:07.11 | joaquinz | cahoot: nop |
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| 06:07.20 | joaquinz | cahoot: its a clean 2.6 sarge install |
| 06:07.23 | nvz | mborohovski: if you are lame enough to think about using nero, you probably want k3b, regaurdless of what we use.. though it depends on your "special needs |
| 06:07.27 | nvz | " I am sure.. |
| 06:07.47 | Gokee2 | Hey guys what the best way to install and get working a secound video card? Put it in reboot and try to get it to work? |
| 06:07.50 | cahoot | joaquinz: checked lsmod? |
| 06:08.05 | bucky | esd will choke up sound also |
| 06:08.18 | joaquinz | cahoot : yeah, but what should i look for ? |
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| 06:09.02 | cahoot | joaquinz: the oss module for the card for starters |
| 06:09.15 | joaquinz | cahoot : im not using oss... its a 2.6 kernel |
| 06:09.28 | cahoot | joaquinz: compiled by yourself? |
| 06:09.29 | mborohovski | nvz: i was being sarcastic, thank you very much. |
| 06:09.32 | mborohovski | lol |
| 06:09.47 | wols | cahoot: run lspci and tell us what kind of soundcard(s) you see |
| 06:09.50 | nvz | !lol |
| 06:09.50 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 06:09.51 | kjparker | hi, i stupidly deleted the folder /etc/apache2 from my box, thinking that it would be re-created after apt-get install apcahe2. this does not seem to be the case. Any ideas? |
| 06:09.52 | joaquinz | cahoot: nop.. a precompiled 2.6 kernel.. i did "sarge26" in the debian setup |
| 06:09.55 | Gokee2 | rebooting to install a new video card bbs |
| 06:10.10 | nvz | ~lol |
| 06:10.13 | apt | somebody said lol was stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 06:10.28 | bob2 | kjparker: don't ever delete files or directories from /etc/ |
| 06:10.31 | cahoot | joaquinz: the thing is - discover/hotpulg might have loaded an oss module for you |
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| 06:10.41 | kjparker | bob2, i know this now! :) |
| 06:10.46 | bob2 | kjparker: sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2*.deb |
| 06:10.48 | mborohovski | nvz: heh, 'tis sheer habit at this point. |
| 06:11.06 | wols | kjparker: dpkg --purge apache. then reinstall it |
| 06:11.10 | nvz | mborohovski: spent to much time on lame IM networks I guess |
| 06:11.18 | joaquinz | cahoot : the thing is that i dont use oss i want to use alsa :( isnt posible :(:( ? |
| 06:11.44 | cahoot | joaquinz: yes - just tryong to analyze the cause of your problem |
| 06:11.45 | wols | jasoncohen: there is , after you know your card chipset |
| 06:12.08 | nvz | thats all the little girlies were talking about when I was sitting in sewickley the other day, was their accounts on 1,000,000,000 different lame IM networks |
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| 06:12.49 | MobyTurbo | nvz: |
| 06:12.57 | nvz | MobyTurbo: |
| 06:13.07 | kjparker | neither of those worked.... :( |
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| 06:13.45 | nvz | MobyTurbo and I, chat in invisible font, you mortals cannot see what we say |
| 06:13.48 | kjparker | i could install apache2 on another box, and copy it, but i don't want to do that |
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| 06:14.09 | bob2 | kjparker: then purge all the apache packages |
| 06:14.11 | bob2 | purge, NOT remove |
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| 06:14.25 | kjparker | apt-get --purge apache2 ? |
| 06:14.43 | mborohovski | nvz: that may very well be the case. |
| 06:14.44 | wols | kjparker: not apache2. apache2-common |
| 06:14.52 | bob2 | kjparker: no, *all* the apache2 packages |
| 06:15.04 | bob2 | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep apache2 |
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| 06:15.09 | mborohovski | nvz: i use gaim (for aim), and gaim alone. mainly because a lot of people i speak to are ON aim. |
| 06:15.36 | bucky | kjparker, apt-get install --reinstall apache2-common |
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| 06:16.16 | nvz | mborohovski: I'd tell my friends to grow up, or start associating with people my age. |
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| 06:17.17 | mborohovski | nvz: its a matter of personal preference/ease. its really not as big of a deal as youre making it seem :) |
| 06:18.12 | adapter | root@bestmedia:/home/usm# ln -s /home/ftp/filme/ /mnt/hdd/Movies ln: creating symbolic link `/mnt/hdd/Movies/filme' to `/home/ftp/filme/': Read-only file system; how can i mount /dev/dhc6 in order to make that link? |
| 06:19.15 | trave11er | adapter: you probably want just to swap the arguments around |
| 06:19.15 | adapter | s/dhc6/hdc5 |
| 06:19.25 | Guerin | adapter: -o remount,rw |
| 06:19.39 | trave11er | adapter: you want a symbolic link in your home dir pointing to a cd? |
| 06:19.46 | kjparker | that worked, thanyou |
| 06:20.00 | adapter | trave11er: to another mounted harddisk |
| 06:20.23 | raf256 | how can I in email client get access to "my local linux email account" - to se that what I see when typing "mail" in ash |
| 06:20.24 | bucky | i hate IM... it's a curse on the internet |
| 06:20.37 | bucky | !badgersmite kjparker |
| 06:20.44 | liable | adapter: what file system, not ntfs is it? |
| 06:21.15 | adapter | /dev/hdc5 /mnt/hdd auto rw,defaults,umask=020 0 0 |
| 06:21.24 | adapter | it's a ntfs filesystem |
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| 06:21.45 | adapter | /dev/hdc5 2 24321 195350368+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 06:21.48 | Guerin | bucky: how does other peoples' use of im affect you? |
| 06:21.55 | mike_ | hi, how do you send a message to someone over SSH |
| 06:21.56 | Guerin | adapter: haha, you lose. |
| 06:22.03 | wols | adapter: then you can't. never ever |
| 06:22.11 | mike_ | to their pts shell |
| 06:22.26 | mborohovski | mike_: write? |
| 06:22.27 | adapter | i can't create symbolic links to a NTFS filesystem? |
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| 06:22.50 | bob2 | adapter: you can't create anything on a ntfs filesystem full stop |
| 06:22.51 | Guerin | mike_: ssh badger@mushroom write mrfloppy "mrfloppy, I can see you" |
| 06:22.51 | wols | adapter: no, you can't ever change a NTFS filesystem. It is read only |
| 06:22.55 | kjparker | !romsfeldsmite bucky |
| 06:23.00 | adapter | blaaah, you ruined my plans:) |
| 06:23.05 | mborohovski | seriously anybody have any idea why video wouldnt come back on resume from a s3 sleep? |
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| 06:23.07 | bucky | lol |
| 06:23.26 | wols | mborohovski: cause the S3 drivers are utter shite |
| 06:23.34 | trave11er | mborohovski: because acpi is the root of all evil |
| 06:23.40 | mborohovski | agreed |
| 06:23.49 | mborohovski | as its not the first time ive had problems |
| 06:23.53 | mborohovski | and yet, i need this to work somehow |
| 06:23.54 | mborohovski | haha |
| 06:24.00 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure mborohovski means the s3 acpi power down state, not s3 the video card manufaturer |
| 06:24.05 | wols | mborohovski: then start learning C |
| 06:24.05 | liable | mborohovski: do you have the suspend2 scripts? |
| 06:24.17 | Epod69 | I am trying out a game (heroes) and i cant get sound do work. I looked at the man pages and i can set the sound to a specific sound driver from the number in its list. So..I typed the command and i get this error: |
| 06:24.19 | Epod69 | jesse@debian-jesse:~$ heroes-sdl --list=sound-drivers |
| 06:24.20 | Epod69 | heroes-sdl: Heroes has been compiled with SDL_mixer, there is no driver list available. |
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| 06:24.22 | adapter | so i should state my question in another way: my ftp homedir is /home/ftp , how can i use the files from /mnt/hdd (it's the ntfs filesystem mounted) in order to share them to /home/ftp |
| 06:24.28 | Epod69 | im thinking this is a SDL_mixer problem, anyone know how to configure it? |
| 06:24.32 | wols | bob2: doesn't invalidate what I said :P |
| 06:24.38 | adapter | without changing the homedir of the ftp user |
| 06:24.50 | liable | mborohovski: you can shut down things before sleeping and hibernating, can help sometimes. |
| 06:24.51 | adapter | or moving the files from /mnt/hdd to /home/ftp |
| 06:24.55 | trave11er | adapter: mount the ntfs volume somewhere in /home/ftp |
| 06:24.59 | DrkDemiGod | I was wondering how I can change the resolution from 640X480 on my Sony Vaio laptop. This is stuck on this setting and driving me crazy. |
| 06:25.02 | bob2 | suspend2 and hibernating have nothing to do with s3 |
| 06:25.05 | bob2 | s3 = suspend to ram |
| 06:25.10 | bucky | kjparker, rm -rf /etc/ld.so.cache |
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| 06:25.20 | wols | adapter: linking from a NTFS partition to a normal linux ones works. just not the other way around |
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| 06:25.37 | liable | bob2: you can still use the scripts though I believe. |
| 06:25.39 | bob2 | mborohovski: matthew garret has done a lot of work getting acpi suspend working nicely in ubuntu, and aiui that work will come into debian soonish |
| 06:25.43 | flash_muppet | I have made an error while installing a new kernel .. how do I remove it so I can have another go? |
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| 06:26.00 | Guerin | flash_muppet: aptitude remove kernelyouinstalled |
| 06:26.15 | wols | flash_muppet: yyou will still have your old kernel installed. also your can dpkg -r it like any other package |
| 06:26.16 | spdf | flash_muppet, Did you compile it the Debian way? |
| 06:26.18 | mborohovski | wols: i'm talking about s3 sleep state |
| 06:26.18 | adapter | trave11er: i want only a few dirs from hdc5 to be seen in the ftp homedir |
| 06:26.26 | bob2 | s3 works perfectly for me |
| 06:26.27 | mborohovski | and no, i havent looked into suspend2 |
| 06:26.29 | spdf | flash_muppet, read that wrong.. disregard.. |
| 06:26.29 | bob2 | for instance |
| 06:26.36 | flash_muppet | wols: tried that and got an error |
| 06:26.48 | flash_muppet | gonna try again just to make sure |
| 06:26.51 | mborohovski | the thing is, i literally removed every module excpet the nvidia driver |
| 06:27.05 | bob2 | mborohovski: er, the nvidia binary driver is guaranteed to fuck you over |
| 06:27.05 | liable | well, I have to shut down my modem before s3 and bring it back up, otherwise it belches. |
| 06:27.05 | trave11er | adapter: check out --bind option to mount |
| 06:27.07 | mborohovski | and still no workie |
| 06:27.08 | flash_muppet | no good |
| 06:27.16 | mborohovski | bob2: why? |
| 06:27.17 | bob2 | and to get you zero sympathy from kernel people |
| 06:27.28 | bob2 | mborohovski: because it's shit and doesn't do power management properly |
| 06:27.30 | bob2 | or so I hear |
| 06:27.41 | bob2 | that would be the very firth thing to throw away when tryign to get this to work |
| 06:27.43 | mborohovski | by nvidia binary driver, do you mean that which i got from their site? |
| 06:27.48 | bob2 | yes |
| 06:27.55 | mborohovski | hmm |
| 06:27.58 | mborohovski | give me a moment |
| 06:28.10 | bob2 | you will need to reboot to get rid of it completely |
| 06:28.15 | ColonelKernel | nvidia driver works nicely |
| 06:28.37 | wols | flash_muppet: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 06:28.45 | bob2 | ColonelKernel: with acpi suspend? |
| 06:28.48 | wols | that will tell you the exact names of the installed kernels |
| 06:28.59 | wols | use the exact name to dpkg -r |
| 06:29.00 | ColonelKernel | bob2, never tried it, how can I even tell? |
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| 06:30.18 | mike_ | mborohovski: how do i enable write? |
| 06:30.19 | ColonelKernel | bob2, is that when the system lets the monitor power down? |
| 06:30.24 | bob2 | ColonelKernel: no |
| 06:30.34 | mborohovski | mesg y |
| 06:30.37 | ColonelKernel | bob2, how can I test such a feature ? |
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| 06:30.41 | mborohovski | mike_: man mesg |
| 06:30.44 | ColonelKernel | acpi suspend |
| 06:31.07 | bob2 | ColonelKernel: with difficulty on debian |
| 06:31.08 | mike_ | mborohovski: thats the command i was thinking of, thanks |
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| 06:31.15 | ColonelKernel | bob2, lol np |
| 06:32.05 | mborohovski | alright, moment of truth. |
| 06:32.09 | mborohovski | trying it with vesa instead of nvidia |
| 06:32.16 | bob2 | vesa is equally shit |
| 06:32.17 | bob2 | try nv |
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| 06:32.45 | mborohovski | nv doesnt work at all for some odd reason |
| 06:32.54 | bob2 | ah, yay xfree86 |
| 06:33.05 | mborohovski | and vesa doesnt reusme either |
| 06:33.25 | adapter | trave11er: i've mounted under rw mode ( /dev/hdc5 on /mnt/hdd type ntfs (rw) ); and if i try to delete something i get: rm: cannot remove directory `Capturi/': Read-only file system |
| 06:33.28 | mborohovski | bob2: mmmhmm... |
| 06:33.45 | bob2 | maybe you need x.org for it to work |
| 06:33.50 | bob2 | find out soon enough I guess |
| 06:33.59 | mborohovski | how? |
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| 06:34.11 | trave11er | adapter: afaik, writing to ntfs is still considered dangerous |
| 06:34.12 | bob2 | when debian gets x.org |
| 06:34.26 | trave11er | adapter: it is most likely not enabled in debian kernels |
| 06:34.34 | mborohovski | yeah, when the HELL is that going to happen? |
| 06:34.36 | mborohovski | lol |
| 06:34.45 | adapter | trave11er: ahh got it, thanks |
| 06:34.48 | bob2 | ask branden |
| 06:35.24 | ColonelKernel | well ive got acpi enabled - how do I go to suspend? |
| 06:35.41 | bob2 | not easily |
| 06:35.54 | bob2 | just tellign the kernel to suspend will probably hang your system |
| 06:36.02 | mborohovski | well, he could try |
| 06:36.19 | bob2 | yeah, just finding the filename |
| 06:36.24 | mborohovski | echo -n "mem" > /sys/power/state |
| 06:36.26 | mborohovski | no? |
| 06:37.05 | liable | ColonelKernel: how old is your laptop, does it even support it? Its not a two minute job. |
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| 06:38.35 | ColonelKernel | I dont HAVE a laptop |
| 06:38.47 | ColonelKernel | but I can do suspend on this desktop |
| 06:39.07 | bob2 | haha |
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| 06:40.43 | mborohovski | heh |
| 06:40.51 | ColonelKernel | I really wish I had bought that acer amd64 laptop for 700 bucks when I had the chance |
| 06:41.30 | mborohovski | so any other ideas as to why it might not work? |
| 06:41.43 | jaymes | anybody play runescape here? |
| 06:41.57 | bob2 | I'd guess the problem is using vesa/nvidia |
| 06:42.32 | mborohovski | and i could fix that how? |
| 06:42.40 | bob2 | by using x.org |
| 06:42.42 | jaymes | I get major leakage with it & LimeWire; haven't noticed it with other apps, just java |
| 06:42.43 | bob2 | which you can't easily do |
| 06:42.46 | bob2 | etc |
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| 06:42.53 | liable | mborohovski: try the suspend2 package, then you can unload the module before sleep and reload after, may help, may not. Cant hurt to try it. |
| 06:43.09 | bucky | what version of java? |
| 06:43.19 | bob2 | liable: you know suspend2 is very very very different to s3, right? |
| 06:43.30 | jaymes | bucky, tried several; blackdown 1.4.2-02 now |
| 06:43.42 | jaymes | bucky, also sun 1.4.2 & 1.5 |
| 06:43.43 | liable | bob2: yes, but you can still use the configs to unload modules. |
| 06:43.50 | jaymes | they don't work worth a darn tho |
| 06:44.05 | bucky | i never had problems with limewire |
| 06:44.08 | liable | bob2: like I say, cant hurt to try it. |
| 06:44.09 | mborohovski | bob2: what is the difference? |
| 06:44.12 | jaymes | hmmmm |
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| 06:44.31 | jaymes | figures |
| 06:44.42 | jaymes | runescape is down now |
| 06:44.43 | bob2 | mborohovski: s3 = suspend to ram, requires hardware support, drains the battery very slowly, resumes in seconds |
| 06:44.44 | liable | bob2: I unload my modem driver and modules before and bring back after with it. |
| 06:45.09 | bob2 | raf256: suspend2 = suspend to disk, requires no hardware support, does not drain the battery at all, resume speed depends on ram/etc |
| 06:45.09 | eeyore-- | suspend to disk drains even less battery :-) |
| 06:45.14 | mborohovski | yeah, i really want s3 |
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| 06:45.24 | raf256 | bob2: ? |
| 06:45.29 | jaymes | basically I can only run java so many times before I have to restart gdm |
| 06:45.30 | bob2 | raf256: er, sorry |
| 06:45.37 | bob2 | I'm not sure how I made that typo |
| 06:45.45 | raf256 | you all suck dick!... |
| 06:45.48 | raf256 | ..er I mean hi! |
| 06:45.48 | jaymes | so my intuition says that is a java leak into X |
| 06:45.50 | raf256 | a comon typo |
| 06:45.51 | raf256 | ;) |
| 06:46.01 | bucky | jaymes, which version of debian are you using |
| 06:46.10 | jaymes | testing |
| 06:46.23 | raf256 | now testing != sarge, right? |
| 06:46.39 | raf256 | when we can expect Xorg to be in current testing? |
| 06:46.41 | bucky | hmm... i don't have testing |
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| 06:46.56 | mborohovski | so what youre saying is if i compiled Xorg on my lappy, s3 might work? |
| 06:47.06 | bob2 | raf256: weeks at least |
| 06:47.12 | bob2 | mborohovski: may do, I don't know |
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| 06:47.28 | raf256 | !gentoosmite Xorg developers |
| 06:47.29 | jaymes | bucky, using unstable? |
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| 06:47.41 | bucky | jaymes, no.. sarge |
| 06:47.43 | jaymes | *snicker* |
| 06:47.56 | bob2 | the x.org developers seem nice, they're not why x.org isn't in debian |
| 06:48.23 | myren | oh man, its so nice having jack actually working now. |
| 06:48.25 | WiFiTux | bob2, what? |
| 06:48.32 | bob2 | WiFiTux: ? |
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| 06:48.50 | WiFiTux | bob2, the developers are nice, but what? |
| 06:48.55 | MobyTurbo | myren: in Sarge? (Been looking over rippers) |
| 06:49.19 | bob2 | WiFiTux: but nothing, the ones I've spoken to seem nice. they have no control over x.org being in debian, tho |
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| 06:49.40 | WiFiTux | ok |
| 06:49.53 | mborohovski | alright, i guess ill add that to my todo |
| 06:49.59 | spdf | WiFiTux, It just takes awhile to change dependecies from XFree to Xorg, and the automated compiles working.. etc |
| 06:49.59 | mborohovski | enough with this lappy for tonight |
| 06:50.06 | mborohovski | its progressing further and further each day :p |
| 06:50.08 | WiFiTux | mborohovski, lots of it |
| 06:50.59 | WiFiTux | spdf, true and understood. I wish I could help (If it only was to generate packages) :-) |
| 06:50.59 | adapter | if i-m in init3, i get on the output a lot of Jun 19 09:46:36 bestmedia kernel: 5 3f 7d 13 72 7f e5 62 0b layer7: regexec positive: gnutella! ; i have installed layer7 filter, and why all this is coming out on my screen? |
| 06:51.02 | jaymes | gah |
| 06:51.10 | jaymes | how do you hold packages in synaptic? |
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| 06:51.25 | cmihai | These 4.36GB Debian DVD's really piss me off... |
| 06:51.27 | myren | MobyTurbo: some sarge, some sid |
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| 06:52.11 | MobyTurbo | cmihai: there's no need to get them unless the target machine has no net connection |
| 06:52.13 | bob2 | cmihai: so do a netinstall instead |
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| 06:52.28 | cmihai | MobyTurbo: well, take a guess :) |
| 06:52.40 | deathdellic | grab them with bittorrent |
| 06:52.41 | bucky | cmihai, md5sum trouble? |
| 06:52.57 | bathat | how do i change the crontab editor...i tried the EDITOR enivron variable but it didn't work |
| 06:53.09 | cmihai | Yeah. For one. |
| 06:53.25 | rking | bathat: EDITOR is it.. how did you try it? |
| 06:53.39 | bucky | cmihai, for another.. it sucks? |
| 06:53.44 | MobyTurbo | cmihai: even if it *does* have no net connection you don't need all the packages, the CDs are in order of popularity - so you should be able to get away with only a few CDs rather than the whole set |
| 06:53.49 | bathat | rking: i just added EDITOR=/usr/bin/emacs to .bashrc |
| 06:54.03 | rking | bathat: make it "export EDIOTR=/usr/bin/emacs" |
| 06:54.07 | cmihai | bucky: well, erm, iirc NTFS has a 4GB file size limit, no ? |
| 06:54.10 | MobyTurbo | bathat: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 06:54.11 | bathat | rking: aha |
| 06:54.14 | rking | bathat: export causes subprocesses to get the variables |
| 06:54.18 | bathat | thanks |
| 06:54.25 | bucky | cmihai, i see |
| 06:54.39 | bathat | rking: well, the resource i found on it mentioned that but i thought it was done with the terminal |
| 06:54.40 | bathat | thanks |
| 06:55.09 | jaymes | hmm, base-config doesn't like tasksel... |
| 06:55.22 | rking | bathat: no prob. also note that export can be chained: "export FOO=bar BAZ=buz" is the same as: "export FOO=bar; export BAZ=buz" |
| 06:55.23 | cmihai | bucky: well, really now, I don't think it would have hurt anyone to make them 3.99GB instead. |
| 06:55.41 | bathat | Mobile-Linux: update-alternatives --config editor does it too? |
| 06:55.46 | ColonelKernel | im not getting any servers on rtcx-et |
| 06:55.52 | ColonelKernel | rtcw-et I mean |
| 06:56.00 | bathat | Mobile-Linux: nevermind, i see what it does |
| 06:56.06 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.14 | MobyTurbo | bathat: why don't you try it and see ;-) BTW, I'm not "Mobile-Linux" |
| 06:56.38 | bathat | oh, sorry |
| 06:56.47 | bathat | yeah, i see what it does |
| 06:56.50 | kjparker | hmmm |
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| 06:57.08 | spdf | cmihai, The maximum file size for NTFS is 16 terabytes minus 64 KB |
| 06:57.12 | bucky | @ravenbirdsmite kjparker |
| 06:57.20 | MobyTurbo | bathat: often Debian programs are set to use /etc/alternatives - changing it there will change it a lot of places |
| 06:57.25 | kjparker | though it is running, i just can't get it to display anything other than the default page |
| 06:57.27 | bathat | MobyTurbo: yeah, that worked... it would be kind of nice to have it open in the terminal though like vim does |
| 06:57.38 | bathat | MobyTurbo: thanks |
| 06:57.43 | kjparker | ravensbird? |
| 06:58.10 | MobyTurbo | bathat: "emacs -nw" makes emacs use text mode |
| 06:58.47 | bathat | oh, ok |
| 06:58.56 | bucky | kjparker, that's because that's what /etc/apache2/sites-available/default tells it to do with RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ |
| 06:59.25 | bucky | @ravensmite kjparker |
| 06:59.26 | bathat | MobyTurbo: the only problem with update-alternatives is that i can't specify an editor to use for root |
| 06:59.31 | bathat | as far as i know |
| 06:59.49 | MobyTurbo | bathat: it works here |
| 07:00.02 | bathat | oh, i haven't tried it as root yet |
| 07:00.13 | bathat | yep, works fine |
| 07:00.43 | nse | hello everybody, a friend of mine is migrating to linux. he works with graphical computation, is there any url or software that you can point me out in order to start knowing the linux software to treat with graphical computation? |
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| 07:00.54 | cmihai | spdf: Right. That's FAT32 - 4GB. |
| 07:01.12 | jaymes | what is graphical computation? cad? |
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| 07:01.34 | bathat | MobyTurbo: export: `-nw': not a valid identifier |
| 07:01.53 | MobyTurbo | bathat: You need quotes. |
| 07:01.54 | jaymes | ack |
| 07:01.58 | bathat | oh ok |
| 07:02.03 | jaymes | I meant something else, not cad |
| 07:02.09 | nse | jaymes: maybe, to work with graphics, 3d graphics an others.. |
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| 07:02.20 | bathat | works now |
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| 07:02.43 | jaymes | nse, I'm sure there is; don't know enough to really answer your question though |
| 07:02.54 | aliumalik | anyone here know spanish? |
| 07:02.54 | spdf | cmihai, if you grab the torrent, and point it to the same directory the DVD iso is in, it will check the file, and re-download any bad parts.. |
| 07:02.59 | jaymes | qcad isn't bad, if you like autocad |
| 07:03.12 | spdf | cmihai, Use something like ABC or Azureus (those I know for sure will do it) |
| 07:03.13 | jaymes | and kivio isn't bad, if you like visio |
| 07:03.21 | nse | jaymes: at least you know the right name for me to search? |
| 07:03.27 | nse | !es |
| 07:03.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:03.40 | MobyTurbo | bathat: single quotes group without substitution, double quotes with variable substitution, and backtics place the output of a program into the quoted material. |
| 07:03.49 | jaymes | nse, nope, sorry, I think he's looking for something like mathematica on linux |
| 07:03.51 | MobyTurbo | s/quoted material/backquoted material/ |
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| 07:04.09 | jaymes | nse, m. might actually be ported for linux, I dunno |
| 07:04.17 | bathat | thanks |
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| 07:04.26 | bucky | !dpkg dingo bite kjparker |
| 07:04.27 | MobyTurbo | /s/whatever/ :-) |
| 07:04.29 | hellspawn | hello everyone |
| 07:04.58 | cmihai | spdf: yeah, I did that. Still, the strange part is the file seemd ok on FFS, and only 3.99 GB on NTFS |
| 07:05.00 | nse | jaymes: I'll ask him which software he uses in the other operational |
| 07:05.07 | jaymes | nse, look through the debian catalog; surely something there |
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| 07:05.26 | hellspawn | is there anyone who might help me? |
| 07:05.41 | jaymes | hellspawn, not at the moment |
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| 07:06.06 | bucky | hellspawn, just ask your question |
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| 07:06.17 | nse | jaymes: but i mean, the right name for graphical computation.. not the name of a software.. |
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| 07:06.31 | hellspawn | I'm having a problem installing debian on an old box I'ts says kernel panic xannot allocate more memory |
| 07:06.35 | rking | aww yeah! i just wanted to select a column of numbers from firefox, so i thought i'd take a guess: Ctrl+click |
| 07:06.39 | rking | ooooh yeaaahh. |
| 07:06.44 | nse | jaymes: english is not my native language so i don't know if that's the right name to go searching for.. |
| 07:07.04 | bucky | hellspawn, how much memory does the box have? |
| 07:07.07 | bob2 | hellspawn: how much memory does it have? |
| 07:07.10 | hellspawn | 16 megs |
| 07:07.15 | bob2 | that's not enough for sarge |
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| 07:07.23 | jaymes | nse, ah; are you looking for something that will graph complicated equations? |
| 07:07.30 | hellspawn | whih distro i might use instead? |
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| 07:07.47 | bob2 | hellspawn: you can install woody |
| 07:07.55 | Milhouse | if something is .gz how do i read it? |
| 07:08.01 | spdf | Milhouse, gunzip it |
| 07:08.03 | Guerin | Milhouse: zless |
| 07:08.04 | bob2 | gunzip foo.gz |
| 07:08.08 | jaymes | Milhouse, man gunzip |
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| 07:08.17 | Guerin | he said read, not unzip |
| 07:08.19 | MobyTurbo | Guerin++ |
| 07:08.25 | caphuso | less with lesspipe setup properly |
| 07:08.29 | jaymes | good point |
| 07:08.30 | nse | jaymes: I'm looking for something that will work with images, to modelate normal images, like cars, or planes.. 3D images, I'm not sure if GRAPHICS is the right word |
| 07:08.49 | jaymes | Milhouse, zcat file | less |
| 07:08.50 | Guerin | stupid grub |
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| 07:09.01 | Guerin | not installing on my usb stick |
| 07:09.07 | jaymes | unless I was dyslexic |
| 07:09.19 | Guerin | jaymes: braindeadest way ever |
| 07:09.33 | jaymes | why? |
| 07:09.37 | Guerin | !uuoc |
| 07:09.37 | dpkg | i guess uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
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| 07:10.00 | jcook_ | is there a defrag for ext3? |
| 07:10.07 | bob2 | sort of |
| 07:10.08 | Guerin | oh, i dunno. I guess you could have written a 25-line perl script to do the same thing |
| 07:10.13 | bob2 | it's experimental |
| 07:10.22 | MobyTurbo | jcook_: Linux's file systems aren't broke enough to need defragging |
| 07:10.48 | jcook_ | MobyTurbo: yeah ... ya dont really notice it ... |
| 07:10.53 | jaymes | Guerin, I still don't get it |
| 07:10.54 | wols | Guerin: someone should merge the effortless install of lilo with the goodness that is grub |
| 07:10.58 | jcook_ | i noticed /usr/bin |
| 07:11.00 | pipeline | jcook_: Don't get us wrong -- UNIX filesystems are pretty broken by design. But not THAT fucking broken. |
| 07:11.03 | jcook_ | pah |
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| 07:11.09 | jaymes | Guerin, can't use less directly...? |
| 07:11.10 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:11.11 | spdf | Or use syslinux |
| 07:11.23 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: what do you prefer, VMS? :-) |
| 07:11.27 | hellspawn | which floppies i have to download? I used the most recent |
| 07:11.43 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: VMS is a huge pain in the ass, but good god is the filesystem cool :P |
| 07:11.46 | spdf | You'd have to use fat in that instance though.. |
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| 07:11.49 | bob2 | hellspawn: you can use the woody cd image |
| 07:11.53 | jcook_ | i noticed /usr/sbin/filefrag ... so I -v /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-i8600 ... |
| 07:12.11 | wols | pipeline: file gazillion ";x" files? no thanks :P |
| 07:12.16 | hellspawn | the problem is the box has no cd rom so I have to install it over internet |
| 07:12.20 | jaymes | nse, sorry, I don't know enough about modeling to help :-( |
| 07:12.23 | bucky | hellspawn, i'd recommend the bf2.4 image.. there's even floppy net install images |
| 07:12.26 | Guerin | jaymes: zless |
| 07:12.27 | jcook_ | filefrag existed so i thought maybe there's be a defrag |
| 07:12.43 | bucky | hellspawn, one sec |
| 07:12.50 | jaymes | nse, check out povray tho, might be useful |
| 07:12.58 | Guerin | wols: i find grub idiot-proof - it just can't figure out my key. I could use dd, or course. |
| 07:13.20 | nse | jaymes: ok, I'll check it out, thanks |
| 07:13.22 | wols | Guerin: grub-install is anything but idiot proof |
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| 07:13.48 | wols | or rather: you better have a full moon and aquarius in ascendancy to get it working |
| 07:13.53 | spdf | Guerin, How is the usb key partioned, just one large one? |
| 07:13.53 | jcook_ | Guerin: it's way easier than lilo |
| 07:14.03 | Guerin | spdf: yeah |
| 07:14.11 | jcook_ | "oh fuck. I forgot to `lilo`" |
| 07:14.16 | Guerin | wols: this is the only time I've ever had it fail on me. |
| 07:14.36 | spdf | Guerin, What brand? |
| 07:14.43 | wols | for me, grub-install usually just sits there in an I/O wait |
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| 07:14.45 | MobyTurbo | wols: grub is good because even when you make a mistake you can fix it within the boot loader. |
| 07:14.53 | doug | hey whats the deb bsd channel? |
| 07:15.02 | jaymes | MobyTurbo, that's why I'm using it ;) |
| 07:15.07 | jcook_ | MobyTurbo: yet ... for some reason ...lots of ppl dont reailize that |
| 07:15.10 | wols | running the grub shell and then "install" usually works. grub-install supposedly doesn't do anything else either,but it never works |
| 07:15.16 | Guerin | spdf: sandisk |
| 07:15.31 | raf256 | ok Ive got kernel-source-2.6.8 and kernel-patch-atopcnt ... what next? where are the README files for thoes, and where are files (sources) from thoes packages? |
| 07:15.36 | jaymes | doug, will #debian do? |
| 07:15.37 | wols | MobyTurbo: grub is absolutely goodness if it's installed already. but the install itself sucks donkey balls |
| 07:15.39 | jcook_ | MobyTurbo: my lecture notes for this semester say that "grub is not as 'stable' as lilo" ... pfffff |
| 07:15.42 | MobyTurbo | wols: OK, but once you do that installation you don't need to do it again. |
| 07:15.53 | adapter | is there a tool to convert ntfs > fat32 from linux? |
| 07:15.55 | MobyTurbo | grub-install works here(tm) |
| 07:16.08 | wols | MobyTurbo: unfortunately every Windows install overwrites grub... And you knwo how often Windows needs to be reinstalled... |
| 07:16.09 | raf256 | adapter: create new partition mkfs.vfat then copy the files |
| 07:16.12 | jaymes | wols, I don't remember having trouble either, but it's been a while |
| 07:16.23 | doug | i guess so but they get mad when i ask about the debian bsd port project and direct me to an irc channel .. was interested in skipping that step of being hated on and just ask for the fucking channel, ya dig? |
| 07:16.25 | MobyTurbo | wols: I don't have windows on this computer |
| 07:16.31 | bucky | hellspawn, go here http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-downloading-files |
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| 07:16.39 | raf256 | wols: dd if=/dev/hda of=mbr-image.dd count=512 (bytes) |
| 07:16.43 | Guerin | ooh, more funky error when trying to install a kernel: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: neither /dev/fd or /proc/self/fd exists! |
| 07:16.48 | bucky | hellspawn, get the 1.44 rescue and root |
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| 07:16.54 | jaymes | wols, there's some funkiness that grub does to force the install to keep grub |
| 07:16.56 | raf256 | heeeelp: ok Ive got kernel-source-2.6.8 and kernel-patch-atopcnt ... what next? where are the README files for thoes, and where are files (sources) from thoes packages? |
| 07:16.57 | jcook_ | I got a new debian server at some hosting co the other day ... man was I pissed when I got on and it was running the 2.2 kernel and / was ext2 |
| 07:17.09 | adapter | raf256: i was asking only to convert, not to make another one, i just don't have free space |
| 07:17.12 | jaymes | wols, I've not used it, but it looked conceptually solid |
| 07:17.22 | raf256 | adapter: Im afraid that this is rather not possible |
| 07:17.31 | bucky | hellspawn, and click on the link to the 11th chapter and get the bf2.4 driver images.. 1 thru 4 |
| 07:17.33 | jamsi | Does anybody know the device name for the mouse on an old toshiba laptop, the little green thing in the middle of the laptop keyboard? |
| 07:17.35 | raf256 | adapter: Im not shure is there in-place-conversion even for win32, is there |
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| 07:17.45 | jaymes | jamsi, synaptic? |
| 07:17.48 | bucky | hellspawn, you with me so far? |
| 07:17.52 | MobyTurbo | jcook_: both of those problems are easily fixable. (Assuming you want ext2 -> ext3) |
| 07:17.58 | Guerin | jamsi: /dev/psaux should work. It's a ps/2 |
| 07:18.06 | doug | been having problems with the new kernel on anything? |
| 07:18.07 | Guerin | jamsi: if you don't know, don't guess. |
| 07:18.08 | adapter | raf256: under windoze exists partition magic, and it works, without losing data |
| 07:18.18 | Guerin | jaymes: if you don't know, don't guess. |
| 07:18.21 | Guerin | jamsi: sorry |
| 07:18.26 | hellspawn | thx man I lost that page on my last istallation |
| 07:18.27 | raf256 | where THE F*CK are usualy kernel sources kept? :/ |
| 07:18.29 | jcook_ | MobyTurbo: well .. its running 2.6.8 now ... but / is not "real" ext3 ... its got the .journal in / |
| 07:18.37 | Guerin | raf256: where you put them, or in /usr/src |
| 07:18.38 | jamsi | raf256: /usr/src ? |
| 07:18.41 | jaymes | Guerin, huh? |
| 07:18.45 | Guerin | raf256: man locate |
| 07:18.47 | raf256 | Guerin: I ment after apt-get install them |
| 07:18.48 | Guerin | you fucking idiot |
| 07:18.58 | Guerin | jaymes: huh what? |
| 07:18.58 | raf256 | Guerin: thank yoiu very fucking much |
| 07:19.12 | raf256 | !chillout Guerin |
| 07:19.14 | doug | i love this guy |
| 07:19.18 | adapter | :) |
| 07:19.23 | doug | taking on Guerin like that |
| 07:19.26 | jaymes | Guerin, I'm lost |
| 07:19.30 | doug | thank you very fucking much -- who says that |
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| 07:19.33 | doug | to Guerin |
| 07:19.39 | doug | fuckin high five my man |
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| 07:19.45 | Guerin | jaymes: this much is clear from the fact that you think a nipple mouse is the same as a touchpad |
| 07:20.01 | doug | nipple mouse 0wnz touchpad mouse |
| 07:20.01 | bucky | ah.. terms of endearment |
| 07:20.02 | adapter | you're having a fuckin' nice day |
| 07:20.16 | jamsi | Guerin: nipplemouse, is that what they are called |
| 07:20.16 | jaymes | Guerin, mine are connected |
| 07:20.24 | Guerin | jamsi: technical term, that. |
| 07:20.26 | raf256 | btw, htf I should use "locate" in that case when I dont know the name of files Im looking for |
| 07:20.29 | deathdellic | bwahaha |
| 07:20.29 | doug | where can i buy a nipplemouse for my pc? |
| 07:20.40 | deathdellic | i will take 2! |
| 07:20.45 | jamsi | sweet Guerin, thanks for that man. Xfree86 loads now |
| 07:20.49 | doug | preferably one that is compatable with Debian? |
| 07:21.01 | raf256 | doug: why in the hell would you use on of thoes(except in a laptop) O_o |
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| 07:21.09 | jamsi | Slow as all fuck though. Xfree86 on a 486 laptop. yayz |
| 07:21.13 | doug | raf256: hmm. |
| 07:21.19 | doug | raf256: i'm not sure |
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| 07:21.34 | Guerin | raf256: you need to be hand-helpd through everything? In the words of a fictional wwII hero, "Show some goddamn adaptability!" |
| 07:21.41 | raf256 | doug: dont let the "nipple" in name full you, its just a mouse... as in pointing device |
| 07:21.41 | jaymes | doug, I'm using one now |
| 07:21.42 | doug | raf256: basically in #debian i ask first, then come up with a reason for needing the answer later. Or not. |
| 07:21.46 | jamsi | Is there a way I can go through a list of installed packages and fuck off the ones I don't need to save space? |
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| 07:21.58 | doug | jaymes a non laptop one? |
| 07:21.59 | liable | deborphan |
| 07:22.00 | MobyTurbo | optical mice own, and work fine in Linux |
| 07:22.03 | Guerin | jamsi: debfoster, deborphan, aptitude, dselect. |
| 07:22.08 | jamsi | cheers |
| 07:22.14 | jaymes | doug, nope, on a laptop |
| 07:22.21 | doug | jamsi: aptitude .. dselect's a bitch at first |
| 07:22.22 | jaymes | doug, I think the twiddler uses one |
| 07:22.35 | raf256 | Guerin: I done tens of small linux/debian learing/upgrading each day, I ask here only about non tryvial things... also its a good subject to have a small talk about isnt it ;) |
| 07:22.52 | raf256 | s/only/mostly |
| 07:22.56 | jamsi | xfree86 loads. But the mouse jumps like fucking crazy |
| 07:23.16 | bucky | wrong mouse driver |
| 07:23.17 | doug | though i am a ninja on the touch pad, hopping from one corner to the other, pushing lightly then real hard watching the pressure meter dot thingy go all big and stuff |
| 07:23.22 | Guerin | raf256: what you asked was a trivial matter of using your computer and the tools you have at your disposal, instead of sitting there drooling into the keyboard. |
| 07:23.29 | jamsi | bucky: reakon? |
| 07:23.55 | doug | what's the #Debian Community's response to Solaris's recent open source move? |
| 07:24.02 | liable | jamsi: it jumps or is sensitive? |
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| 07:24.13 | Guerin | doug: don't believe there has been one, since the license is shite. |
| 07:24.15 | bucky | the same response we have about everything |
| 07:24.16 | jaymes | doug, are we a community? |
| 07:24.27 | jamsi | liable, it disapears when you move it over certian parts of the screen |
| 07:24.29 | grimalkin | Hey all, anyone tried the woody->sarge update on a Sparc 20? I'm about to do so, and want to see if anyone ran into "issues". |
| 07:24.38 | Guerin | doug: refer to stallman's words on the matter for my opinions. |
| 07:24.43 | MobyTurbo | doug: it's specifically incompatable with the GPL. |
| 07:24.44 | jamsi | liable, and does jump |
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| 07:24.48 | doug | Guerin: i thought that was the story, that they dropped the license.. you mean this is some bait and switch-ass bullshit? |
| 07:24.48 | jaymes | "You will be assimilated" |
| 07:24.55 | jaymes | oops, wrong channel |
| 07:25.00 | liable | jamsi: hmm, teah something wrong there. |
| 07:25.01 | bucky | yeah.. what Guerin said |
| 07:25.11 | pipeline | doug: This being #debian and not #solaris, why the hell would we have any response? |
| 07:25.12 | Guerin | doug: drop the license? Never even saw that bait. |
| 07:25.18 | doug | No gpl?! fuck this download .. thanks fellas |
| 07:25.28 | doug | #solaris was of no fucking help pipeline |
| 07:25.31 | jamsi | liable: proberly becuase free86 is using all the CPU :P |
| 07:25.41 | MobyTurbo | doug: that's another reason not to use it |
| 07:25.46 | doug | i'm oldschool enough to ask in fucking #solaris then #debian about solaris |
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| 07:26.00 | cmihai | doug: ?! |
| 07:26.16 | doug | cmihai: sorry he was all up in my grill, pipeline |
| 07:26.17 | MobyTurbo | doug: what does that question have to do with #debian? |
| 07:26.28 | pipeline | doug: The CDDL is actually a fine license. Stop chewing on the FUD sticks. |
| 07:26.33 | doug | MobyTurbo: I'm convinced, i'm not even testing it |
| 07:26.48 | doug | MobyTurbo: ehh.. moot now. |
| 07:27.23 | sema4 | subjective ... it's always subjective |
| 07:27.39 | doug | pipeline: are you calling these guys fud sticks? or at least some kind of sprinkled coating around the sticks of doubt? |
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| 07:28.02 | cmihai | doug: look, Solaris / Solaris Express / OpenSolaris are actually quite a fine bunch of O.S.'s with really neat features that you don't really see in Linux. It's not that good for a desktop, but it rocks as a server. |
| 07:28.05 | doug | sema4: whether or not something is subjective is subjective itself. |
| 07:28.09 | liable | enough trolling dude. |
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| 07:28.17 | sema4 | doug: hehehe |
| 07:28.21 | pipeline | doug: I'm saying don't believe everything you read. Also, THIS IS #DEBIAN. Christ. |
| 07:28.45 | doug | pipeline: Christ yourself |
| 07:28.51 | doug | don't be invoking that shit on me |
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| 07:29.04 | doug | he my dog |
| 07:29.09 | doug | probably runs debian too |
| 07:29.15 | pipeline | I think it should be obvious what kind of responses you'll get asking about Solaris at 700 GMT in #debian. |
| 07:29.24 | doug | and kept His sources.list free only |
| 07:29.31 | tuffster | is ian of Debian a wus? why didn't he name it Ian's -- what does Deb have to do with it? |
| 07:29.46 | pipeline | tuffster: It was his girlfriend at the time. I think they later married. |
| 07:29.46 | MobyTurbo | tuffster: his girlfriend and now wife is named "Deborah" |
| 07:29.56 | tuffster | oic |
| 07:29.57 | doug | pipeline: Maybe I needed some of that? took a bunch of crank |
| 07:29.59 | doug | low on smokes |
| 07:30.16 | doug | i am moderately sassified |
| 07:30.24 | pipeline | Besides, "Ianux" doesn't sound nearly as cool as "Debian" |
| 07:30.28 | tuffster | how true "low on smokes" smoking is low |
| 07:30.35 | jaymes | grrr |
| 07:30.46 | pipeline | tuffster: Debian doesn't cater to class boundaries. |
| 07:30.56 | doug | also, "the #Debian Community's reaction" is maybe to some people a little funny |
| 07:31.03 | tuffster | "class boundaries" -- what's that? |
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| 07:31.14 | doug | excessive quotation -- why? |
| 07:31.24 | tuffster | is that some bogus phrase from the faux pseudo-science sociology? |
| 07:31.34 | bucky | doug, RMS has successfully cloned himself and applied the gpl on that process as well https://e.ututo.org.ar/xp/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=85&cid=4 |
| 07:31.37 | Penix | wenas |
| 07:31.42 | doug | faux pseudo .. redundant yo |
| 07:31.43 | pipeline | tuffster: No. You said smoking is low. Tough shit. Debian wasn't made specifically for higher classes. |
| 07:32.00 | bob2 | cddl is bad, if only because its gpl incompatible |
| 07:32.07 | tuffster | "higher classes" -- what false concept is that? |
| 07:32.20 | doug | ok bucky i'll bite and look at whatever pic that php dishes out |
| 07:32.31 | doug | ... encryptedly |
| 07:32.36 | bucky | no but knoppix was made for the unwashed masses |
| 07:32.44 | tuffster | is that some sort of bogus political rhetoric -- used by elitist socialists to indoctrinate the commons -- to which they condenscendingly refer to as "the masses" |
| 07:32.50 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:32.52 | bob2 | oh lord |
| 07:32.56 | Guerin | !clue #debian |
| 07:32.59 | tuffster | using "masses" = condenscending |
| 07:33.01 | doug | re bob2 |
| 07:33.02 | bob2 | sociology crap (both sides), #politics |
| 07:33.27 | pipeline | tuffster: Because you come off so well chalking up smoking as a "low" habit. |
| 07:33.37 | doug | sema4: like the top 5 unions wanting to ditch the AFL CIO? |
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| 07:34.07 | sema4 | doug: keh? |
| 07:34.12 | tuffster | pipeline -- oic and smoking is what? a high habit? a good habit? a becoming habit? a habit that all should learn? especially from youth? |
| 07:34.23 | bob2 | dudes |
| 07:34.25 | doug | those five out of 57 making up 33% of aflcio's down the tree total membership.... |
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| 07:34.42 | bucky | doug, walmart is taking over social security |
| 07:34.55 | sema4 | hahahahaha |
| 07:35.07 | jaymes | hostile takeover |
| 07:35.12 | doug | ok well if they got that going for them maybe they could relax on anti-unionization efforts |
| 07:35.12 | jaymes | heh |
| 07:35.43 | doug | telling workers they will get AIDS if they join the union |
| 07:35.49 | jaymes | ooook |
| 07:35.50 | doug | and repremand |
| 07:36.09 | bucky | it's a sad day |
| 07:36.09 | tuffster | as each day passes -- a global shift occurs! thankfully globalization is arbitraging away the evil effects of modernism/humanism/socialism/naturalism -- soicalist utopians have harmed more humans in the last 100 than all humans have harmed each other in the last 1,000 |
| 07:36.17 | doug | why, bucky? |
| 07:36.29 | pipeline | #Debian: Fox News Lite |
| 07:36.36 | pipeline | OMG STALIN |
| 07:36.36 | doug | maybe you need to brighten up your terminal colors |
| 07:36.40 | bob2 | tuffster: are you done or not? |
| 07:36.55 | doug | bucky what is it .. i'm here for you |
| 07:36.57 | tuffster | yeah, i have a question about debian |
| 07:37.03 | bob2 | excellent |
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| 07:37.05 | bucky | preciate that |
| 07:37.18 | doug | pipeline: yeah you're right, considering how pro-union the right is. |
| 07:37.26 | doug | pro labor in general |
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| 07:37.31 | bob2 | come on dude |
| 07:37.49 | bucky | doug, do i sense a bit of sarcasm? |
| 07:38.07 | jaymes | is there a bug between base-config & tasksel? |
| 07:38.12 | crappledev | kernel compile question |
| 07:38.12 | jaymes | I haven't been able to find one |
| 07:38.12 | doug | yeah and you exude it in having to question whether you sense it or not |
| 07:38.23 | bucky | doug, i'm confused.. are those the socialists he's refering to? |
| 07:38.24 | tuffster | i used dsl variant as a hd installer -- and after editing the conf for crapt-get from oldstable to stable -- doing all the goodies: update upgrade -- the system hangs on reboot --- gives me some message about "too fast" and nodes -- any ideas? |
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| 07:39.03 | jaymes | ah! found it |
| 07:39.07 | crappledev | mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.12 2.6.12 is not producing the said file |
| 07:39.14 | MobyTurbo | tuffster: dsl != debian |
| 07:39.18 | Guerin | tuffster: don't mix distros and you'll be fine. Install debian. |
| 07:39.23 | doug | not all union fans are socialist or commies .. btw did you know that the current president of the Teamsters Union is a man named James Hoffa? |
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| 07:39.37 | tuffster | Moby -- and in what post OF MINE did I suggest or state it is? |
| 07:39.37 | doug | think about that |
| 07:39.51 | bob2 | ffs |
| 07:39.53 | jaymes | doug, what do unions pro or con have to do with debian? |
| 07:40.03 | doug | jaymes: Exactly. |
| 07:40.04 | MobyTurbo | < tuffster> i used dsl variant as a hd installer -- and after editing the |
| 07:40.25 | doug | i'm sorry i just get sucked in by all the trolls |
| 07:40.31 | tuffster | Guerin -- better answer than Dopy but that doesn't answer my question -- I am not asking for a fix just trying to learn what is happening under the hood -- the breaking part is the interesting part |
| 07:40.50 | tuffster | Moby -- do you have reading comp skills problem? |
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| 07:41.08 | bucky | crappledev, do you have a /lib/modules/2.6.12 ? |
| 07:41.12 | Guerin | tuffster: dunno. |
| 07:41.21 | doug | do you think that more than half of the people who are refering to a dsl adapter call it the dsl modem? |
| 07:41.23 | MobyTurbo | tuffster: you can't make dsl or most other "debian-based" distros into Debian merely by changing repositories. |
| 07:41.31 | helix | jaymes: he may need some commas, periods, and semicolons too |
| 07:41.49 | crappledev | buck: yes, i do |
| 07:41.58 | jaymes | helix, I never liked periods |
| 07:42.07 | jaymes | helix, too final |
| 07:42.19 | bucky | crappledev, and you ls and there is no initrd.img-2.6.12 in your working directory? |
| 07:42.22 | helix | aw |
| 07:42.38 | tuffster | Moby again, where did I post where I *want* to make what I am doing *into* Debian? talk about a limited context -- you're sitting on a rock and their is a big ocean separating you from the world |
| 07:42.41 | doug | when i worked for the aflcio i spread debian around a lil' bit ... high five |
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| 07:42.57 | helix | wtf |
| 07:43.21 | vladkao | I want to set up a local debian mirror. Where do I ask about it? :-) |
| 07:43.27 | crappledev | bucky: I used make-kpkg and am running the mkinitrd in /boot |
| 07:43.32 | MobyTurbo | tuffster: so you are in #debian - why? |
| 07:43.42 | bucky | crappledev, dpkg -l mkinitrd is it installed? |
| 07:43.53 | doug | Vladi: what do you mean by local mirror |
| 07:43.55 | wols | vladkao: you don't need ask anyone. you can make your own mirror |
| 07:43.57 | tuffster | perhaps, someone with experience -- clearly not you -- might have insight into crapt-get |
| 07:43.58 | doug | you mean your own network's box? |
| 07:44.06 | wols | no permissions or anything required |
| 07:44.14 | doug | hopping on the round robbin uploading to the masses? |
| 07:44.22 | abrocadabro | crappledev: make-kpkg does initrd for you I think |
| 07:44.40 | MobyTurbo | tuffster: My apologies, I didn't know you were trolling |
| 07:44.41 | Guerin | how does one know if one's computer will boot off a usb device? |
| 07:44.41 | helix | wtf is crapt-get |
| 07:44.51 | Guerin | helix: must be what dsl uses |
| 07:44.53 | wols | Guerin: BIOS |
| 07:45.01 | helix | digital subscriber line? |
| 07:45.08 | jaymes | helix, similar to porn-get, but a smaller market segment |
| 07:45.09 | abrocadabro | crappledev: dpkg -L your_kernel_package |
| 07:45.09 | wols | helix: damn small linux |
| 07:45.17 | doug | helix not sure but i know someting about porn-get .. for starters, that it's not listed on an apt-cache search ... |
| 07:45.19 | helix | why is he asking about damn small linux in here? |
| 07:45.22 | Guerin | wols: i know it needs bios support... will there be some option in bios for it? |
| 07:45.29 | MobyTurbo | helix: because he's a troll |
| 07:45.30 | Guerin | helix: we presented that question to him earlier. |
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| 07:45.33 | bucky | dam small linux is based on debian |
| 07:45.39 | MobyTurbo | !based on Debian |
| 07:45.39 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 07:45.42 | helix | yeah, so are about 50 other distros |
| 07:45.47 | wols | Guerin: my K7s5a does. |
| 07:45.49 | jaymes | woah |
| 07:45.57 | jaymes | I didn't know the list was that long |
| 07:46.11 | wols | Guerin: any BIOS has a setting where you can decide where to boot from. it should show up in there or you're SOL |
| 07:46.11 | MobyTurbo | jaymes: its longer. |
| 07:46.14 | Guerin | distrowatch probably has more specific numbers |
| 07:46.16 | doug | jaymes: it will blow your mind. |
| 07:46.34 | doug | bios or cmos ... |
| 07:46.35 | jaymes | what's the point? distros are a lot of work |
| 07:46.46 | jaymes | oh, that's right |
| 07:46.47 | Guerin | wols: ok. Like to place a bet on my '97 toshiba laptop? I flashed the bios in late 2003 sometime... |
| 07:46.53 | jaymes | personality conflicts :-P |
| 07:47.14 | crappledev | bucky: there is no mkinitrd from dpkg -l, but there is also no mkinird in the package search results |
| 07:47.15 | tuffster | right -- and I haven't asked a thing about DSL -- man YOU PEOPLE are dense -- see -- socialism rots your brain -- indoctrinates you into behaving -- just like an animal -- with behaviors -- responnding to pavlovian bells -- instead of deciding actions that support acts -- using your free will |
| 07:47.15 | wols | Guerin: I doubt it will work honestly |
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| 07:47.19 | helix | jaymes: well, there are lots of custom debian distros which are more like, say, a redhat desktop installation than a typical debian installation |
| 07:47.21 | Guerin | yeah, me too. |
| 07:47.23 | helix | afaik |
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| 07:47.37 | helix | tuffster: chill -- with -- the -- hyphens |
| 07:47.42 | doug | jaymes: lot of knoppix derivatives for instance .. one for a "media center" setup, one for data recovery and rescuing kind of stuff, etc |
| 07:47.44 | helix | your sentences look like arch repos |
| 07:47.46 | bucky | crappledev, apt-cache search mkinitrd and spell it right |
| 07:48.04 | MobyTurbo | helix: the hyphens are about the only thing worth reading |
| 07:48.08 | doug | there are derivatives of derivatives of derivatives of Linux. And Linux. |
| 07:48.10 | helix | -_- |
| 07:48.15 | doug | i mean and Unix |
| 07:48.36 | bucky | crappledev, sorry initrd-tools |
| 07:48.45 | jaymes | I used that build your own linux (what's it called?) for a while, but it was too much work |
| 07:48.47 | bucky | apt-cache search initrd-tools |
| 07:48.56 | tuffster | now, for the little yellow bus types -- has anyone experienced upon reboot hanging -- with a message "... idling for 5 minutes ... too fast" -- after performing a apt-get update apt-get upgrade using main? |
| 07:49.18 | tuffster | helix piss off -- this is how I chat -- it gets your attention -- doesn't it? |
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| 07:49.28 | doug | easy tuff |
| 07:49.30 | jaymes | helix, he's using periods |
| 07:49.31 | helix | tuffster: cut it out or you will be removed. for trolling :) |
| 07:49.38 | tuffster | who cares |
| 07:49.39 | helix | jaymes: I saw a question mark too! |
| 07:49.43 | tuffster | chat isnt real life loser |
| 07:49.43 | doug | helix he knows not with whom he fucks |
| 07:50.05 | tuffster | kick/ban me? Ha! who cares |
| 07:50.08 | bucky | tuffster, leave us socialists alone and send money to Novell/SuSE |
| 07:50.14 | tuffster | its chat -- not real life |
| 07:50.19 | crappledev | bucky: I have the initrd-tools |
| 07:50.19 | helix | ok, we get it |
| 07:50.19 | tuffster | only losers live for chat |
| 07:50.20 | Penix | tuffster: exactly |
| 07:50.29 | helix | the lady doth protest too much, methinks |
| 07:50.29 | doug | #debian has been of real friggin high value over the years |
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| 07:50.39 | crappledev | bucky: i figured i had to get the mkinitrd man page from somewhere |
| 07:50.46 | doug | access to it is kind of important for an OS that's not commercially supported |
| 07:50.55 | doug | .. but has an elite irc channel |
| 07:51.04 | bucky | crappledev, did you build this kernel from debian sources? |
| 07:51.10 | doug | * (os distro) |
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| 07:51.39 | jaymes | *sigh* |
| 07:51.49 | doug | the amount of help i've had from these guys in the past year i would have otherwise paid thousands for |
| 07:51.53 | tuffster | there are others -- always -- who will provide me with what I want -- you people are a dime a dozen -- expendable in life -- because you've reduced your worth to the group -- the fundamental unit of analysis in socialism -- instead of choosing to live IN freedom as AN individual -- you choose to live AS a follower in OFFICIALDOM -- behaving like other animals -- not rocking the boat |
| 07:51.55 | abrocadabro | crappledev: you have mkinitrd but can't man mkinitrd? |
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| 07:52.13 | spdf | tuffster, Perhaps out of courtesy, you could limit the number --'s you use. |
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| 07:52.26 | spdf | tuffster, Too late now it woudl seem. |
| 07:52.31 | jaymes | tuffster, were you dropped on your hyphen as a child? |
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| 07:52.38 | pipeline | hahah |
| 07:52.43 | bucky | tuffster, crapt-get? which version of debian are you using/ |
| 07:52.44 | pipeline | if he can't troll, he doesn't want to be here :P |
| 07:53.09 | abrocadabro | crappledev: if you built kernel image package with make-kpkg, you should already have initrd image unless you told it not to use initial ram disk |
| 07:53.12 | crappledev | bucky: i built this from the stock kernel.org |
| 07:53.15 | helix | bucky: he is using damn small linux. not that he's here anymore |
| 07:53.27 | bob2 | tuffster sounds like stranger |
| 07:53.28 | doug | tuff: i choose to use the best distro which happens to cost fricking nothing, and there's no "you get what you pay for" insult because of this channel |
| 07:53.28 | doug | primarily |
| 07:53.28 | doug | oh |
| 07:53.30 | Gil | doug: he's gone |
| 07:53.32 | bucky | he'll be back... i forget that error... something about 'respawning too fast' i've seen it before |
| 07:53.33 | doug | got it |
| 07:53.46 | doug | but it was good I Choose rhetoric |
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| 07:53.57 | bucky | crappledev, are you su when you use mkinitrd ? |
| 07:54.00 | Penix | wow. social revolutionists use damn small linux |
| 07:54.09 | jaymes | here's a real question: how do I get my neophyte friends to use debian; are there any mainstream easy-to-use installers? |
| 07:54.13 | crappledev | bucky: yes |
| 07:54.23 | jaymes | all they need to do is web, email & office |
| 07:54.29 | doug | is dslinux a minix derivative |
| 07:54.34 | jaymes | but I don't want to support them :) |
| 07:54.39 | Penix | doug: what? |
| 07:54.46 | helix | jaymes: d-i's pretty easy to install with.. |
| 07:54.52 | doug | penix i love the nick |
| 07:54.53 | Gil | jaymes: give em a LiveCD of something |
| 07:54.59 | bucky | crappledev, if you type mkinitrd without any input does it print out a help ? |
| 07:55.11 | jaymes | doug, you love penix? |
| 07:55.16 | Penix | heh |
| 07:55.17 | doug | no i love it as a nick |
| 07:55.25 | doug | i haven't considered if i love penix in general |
| 07:55.29 | jaymes | oh, misunderstood |
| 07:55.32 | doug | np. |
| 07:55.38 | Penix | doug: you love penix. admit it |
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| 07:55.49 | crappledev | bucky:yes, i get the standard options |
| 07:55.54 | doug | hey if i cum to that conclusion i will freely declare it |
| 07:56.01 | doug | s/cum/come |
| 07:56.04 | jaymes | helix, what's d-i? |
| 07:56.11 | Penix | *rim shot* |
| 07:56.30 | helix | jaymes: debian-installer, the new installer |
| 07:56.32 | bucky | crappledev, no errors when you used it before? |
| 07:56.34 | helix | well, it's not very new now :) |
| 07:56.37 | doug | the assonance of the word ... the sheer optical look of the formation of those english letters.. |
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| 07:56.56 | jaymes | helix, pkgname ? |
| 07:57.06 | jaymes | duh |
| 07:57.13 | jaymes | no, cause it's an installer |
| 07:57.13 | spdf | doug, Well, Roman characters. They weren't created with the english language.. |
| 07:57.18 | doug | There is strength in the penix, but it is Debian-like strength? That answer will not come click, alas. |
| 07:57.26 | crappledev | bucky: i've never used it before actually |
| 07:57.33 | jetx | ~penixstrike doug |
| 07:57.34 | apt | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking doug to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:57.41 | crappledev | bucky: took the kernels from binaries |
| 07:57.42 | jaymes | eww |
| 07:57.50 | bucky | crappledev, then what are you saying? |
| 07:57.51 | doug | spdf: well you and a few others figured out i meant whatever you just said |
| 07:58.28 | doug | damn i didn't know penixes (penices?) towered |
| 07:58.34 | jaymes | hmm |
| 07:58.35 | Penix | penii |
| 07:58.38 | doug | oh |
| 07:58.39 | jaymes | wonder if they have winmodems |
| 07:58.40 | crappledev | bucky: i just compiled 2.6.12 made a .deb, did the standard dpkg -i , all was well until this step |
| 07:58.54 | doug | well stock index -> indicies .. |
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| 07:59.08 | doug | meanwhile index.php goes to index.phps |
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| 07:59.35 | jaymes | doug, parsing error on line 1 |
| 07:59.37 | doug | But surgeon general goes to surgeons general not surgeon generals, likewise with courts marshall |
| 07:59.37 | Penix | my names Penix. do you think I follow the laws of grammar? |
| 07:59.56 | crappledev | bucky: used a 2.6.11.8 config file for it... |
| 08:00.04 | doug | i dont know penix ask dpkg |
| 08:00.13 | doug | start by introducing yourself |
| 08:00.18 | Penix | doug: is it bigger than a breadbox? |
| 08:00.26 | doug | Dude this is your thing |
| 08:00.33 | doug | i'm working on conceptualizing the thing |
| 08:00.49 | bucky | crappledev, if you really have a /lib/modules/2.6.12 and you cd to /boot and did a mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.12 2.6.12 |
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| 08:00.59 | Penix | I'm working on wigging out |
| 08:01.00 | doug | and this is SERIOUS business, being on #debian and all. |
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| 08:01.13 | bucky | crappledev, you will have a /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12 |
| 08:01.13 | jaymes | Hi, my name is Jack |
| 08:01.29 | doug | well if i'm pickin up what you're puttin down hook your http dial up to my host |
| 08:01.30 | Tweek888 | Why isn't fglrx-driver in any repository? |
| 08:02.03 | bucky | crappledev, then you have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to reflect that |
| 08:03.02 | crappledev | bucky: i was in the process of editing yaboot.conf when i noticed that there was no initrd.img-2.6.12 |
| 08:03.24 | jaymes | *gasp* a powerpc user! |
| 08:03.52 | Gil | Tweek888: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 08:04.10 | Tweek888 | thanks you Gil :) |
| 08:04.14 | Tweek888 | thank* |
| 08:04.27 | crappledev | jaymes: it's all the same as far as these steps are concerned |
| 08:05.08 | Tweek888 | Gil, now i see why they arn't packaged. :) |
| 08:05.13 | jaymes | crappledev, till a couple of months ago an imac running debian was my dialup router |
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| 08:05.50 | Lam_al_Adie | hi! |
| 08:06.23 | bucky | crappledev, apt-get install debhelper modutils build-essential |
| 08:06.23 | Lam_al_Adie | uhm, looks like I'm havin some problems with wwwoffle: |
| 08:06.24 | jaymes | Lam_al_Adie, I'm sorry, try without the ! |
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| 08:06.45 | jaymes | we're very depressed here |
| 08:06.56 | doug | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.10 | doug | and on dextro amphetamine |
| 08:07.14 | doug | incidentally |
| 08:07.32 | Lam_al_Adie | sorry, jaymes, without the "!"? |
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| 08:07.50 | Lam_al_Adie | uh, that "!" |
| 08:07.56 | Lam_al_Adie | hi again. |
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| 08:08.05 | doug | hi jlt |
| 08:08.08 | jaymes | Lam_al_Adie, that's much better |
| 08:08.14 | jlt | hi doug |
| 08:08.21 | hellz | hi, i am in search of a smallest debian distro with gui, any hint, which would be the best to go |
| 08:08.24 | Lam_al_Adie | yeah, may i share your experience in depression? |
| 08:08.28 | pipeline | hellz: Debian. |
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| 08:08.32 | doug | if i ctcp versioned you, what might you ctcp say to me? |
| 08:08.38 | pipeline | hellz: Debian is Debian is Debian. Accept no substitutes. |
| 08:08.39 | bucky | hellz, damn small linux |
| 08:08.41 | hellz | pipeline: what is the size? |
| 08:08.47 | jaymes | I'm low in 3,7-Dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione |
| 08:08.48 | Lam_al_Adie | I, myself feel a little down these days. |
| 08:08.58 | crappledev | bucky: i am on the out and out , hopefully it's not because i have a *gasp* ppc |
| 08:08.59 | Lam_al_Adie | even wwwoffle doesn't like me. |
| 08:09.02 | Guerin | hellz: base install can be trimmed down below 200MB, if you try. |
| 08:09.02 | hellz | bucky: dsl says it's not purely debian, tried bonsai too |
| 08:09.12 | doug | hellz: which Debian distro? you mean Linux distro? |
| 08:09.13 | Guerin | neither dsl nor bonsai are debian |
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| 08:09.26 | tweak | hi all, how do I clear my previously failed install apt-get so that I can do a new apt get? |
| 08:09.42 | pipeline | hellz: The Debian base is about 200M. X is approximately 100M. You can trim those down a little, but I can't see why you would want to |
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| 08:09.46 | pipeline | tweak: apt-get -f install |
| 08:09.47 | bucky | hellz, dsl can fit on 256 flash but it has a hard drive install option |
| 08:09.53 | tweak | pipeline thanks! |
| 08:09.53 | Guerin | tweak: apt-get remove <packagesyoutriedtoinstalllasttime> |
| 08:09.55 | hellz | Guerin: i need it for around 100 MB to load it in a flash memory of 128 MB |
| 08:10.01 | doug | sid i guess, then again upgrades tend to be larger.. so potato |
| 08:10.17 | Guerin | hellz: that's doable, though you'll need to customise from scratch. |
| 08:10.19 | hellz | pipeline: for lvs |
| 08:10.28 | doug | hellz: live cd? |
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| 08:10.34 | doug | i mean live whatevertehfuck |
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| 08:10.50 | hellz | doug: linux virtual server |
| 08:10.54 | doug | ah |
| 08:11.01 | Guerin | hellz: you'll have a really, really minimal set of stuff. |
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| 08:11.06 | tweak | pipeline oh that attempts to finish the old install? I need to remove that from the list of things to install. Its failing (its muning -node and it wont initialize plugins ..) so im guessing I need build-essentials or something. |
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| 08:11.31 | tweak | munin-node |
| 08:11.32 | Lam_al_Adie | so, for my (very meek) question concerning wwwoffle: i just adapted it to my network, did no configuration on online- or offline-options. |
| 08:11.34 | jaymes | couldn't you just work from the install floppies? |
| 08:11.37 | doug | that's some badass elite magyver-ass shit, stuffing something like that, a custom job, on 100MB |
| 08:11.49 | hellz | Guerin: yes i have installed now the base sarge, without X, i need to trim some apps i belive |
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| 08:12.10 | doug | i cant even get it under a gig |
| 08:12.17 | bucky | hellz, how big is it? |
| 08:12.19 | Guerin | hellz: yeah. Good luck. |
| 08:12.30 | hellz | it's around 250 or so |
| 08:12.33 | kuru | how do I know what the php4 package is compiled with? |
| 08:12.39 | TBBle | hellz: deborphan can list packages that aren't depended on by anything, and can list the size of the package too |
| 08:12.41 | kuru | trying to figure out if mnogosearch support is built-in or not |
| 08:12.46 | jaymes | hellz, do you have to boot from usb? |
| 08:12.47 | doug | hellz: well you have a whole bunch of shit you can go ahead and start deleting |
| 08:12.47 | bucky | hellz, that's as small as it gets |
| 08:12.50 | Lam_al_Adie | but it will for example load http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Randompage once, and will turn up with the same article every time, i call that page again |
| 08:12.55 | Guerin | kuru: you read the makefiles |
| 08:12.57 | TBBle | kuru: Create yourself a phpinfo() page, and look at that. ^_^ |
| 08:13.01 | doug | nah he can squeeze out a little more |
| 08:13.05 | kuru | TBBle, ah, funky |
| 08:13.07 | doug | like AppleTalk |
| 08:13.09 | tweak | does anybody know how to delete a apt-get that isnt working? I want to do another apt-get but it wants to finish an old apt-get that never finished and never will becuase somethings wrong. Any ideas? |
| 08:13.11 | hellz | yes, doing that deborphan |
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| 08:13.16 | groton | hello all |
| 08:13.16 | kuru | Guerin, TBBle's is less work , thanks ;) |
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| 08:13.25 | Guerin | kuru: yeah, way less. |
| 08:13.29 | crappledev | well, /dev/hda2 has been blessed with holy pengiun pee so all i can do now is pray |
| 08:13.35 | Guerin | deborphan won't change anything on a base install |
| 08:13.55 | hellz | i also need to put a small web server for remote administrtion and ucd snmp |
| 08:13.55 | bucky | tweak you really are living up to your name tonight |
| 08:13.55 | tweak | bucky um thanks? |
| 08:13.55 | Guerin | tweak: apt-get remove <packagesyoutriedtoinstalllasttime> |
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| 08:14.00 | tweak | guerin thanks! |
| 08:14.01 | TBBle | If he's up to a gigabyte, he's not on a base-install. |
| 08:14.11 | doug | tweak: mess with dpkg to unlock whatever's doing whatever you dont want it doing that get apt-get tgz stizzle yo |
| 08:14.11 | bucky | hellz, that's going to take 800MB on debian |
| 08:14.13 | groton | anyone know why to use Direct Rendering with OpenGL I have to prepend "LD_PRELOAD=libGL.so" to any OGL application I run? How to fix this globally? |
| 08:14.35 | hellz | i think there are small web servers availaible |
| 08:14.35 | Guerin | hellz: good luck with that. I suggest buying bigger flash chips. They're cheap nowadays. |
| 08:14.37 | Tweek888 | i have some errors from trying to install fglrx via alien can anyone help me in #flood? |
| 08:14.54 | tweak | hmmm build-essential didnt seem to fix it. Im in a brain lock, I cant think of all the little things thats kinda like build essntial that installs a lot of important stuff. |
| 08:14.56 | doug | groton you know damn well none of go crazy with that prepending shit on the libGL.so |
| 08:14.58 | jaymes | groton, put libgl where it can be automagically loaded |
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| 08:15.05 | hellz | thanks |
| 08:15.07 | Guerin | hellz: someone wrote a basic webserver in a hundred lines of bash, or something equally miniscule... |
| 08:15.41 | grimalkin | Arg! Why does 'groff' have to depend on xlib?! |
| 08:15.41 | bucky | knoppix has landed |
| 08:15.41 | hellz | yes have to serach for that |
| 08:15.41 | Lam_al_Adie | how do i configure wwwoffle, so it will recognize server-based "don't cahce' options? |
| 08:15.41 | doug | hellz: i'm glad to see people like you out there.. keep doing whatcha doin' |
| 08:15.41 | groton | jaymes: it is in /usr/lib already |
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| 08:15.44 | doug | .. give you a lil football-coach-style slap on the ass |
| 08:15.46 | bucky | yeah doug |
| 08:15.48 | Tweek888 | tweak* |
| 08:15.53 | bucky | good seeing you |
| 08:16.11 | doug | you too |
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| 08:16.20 | tweak | you poked me? |
| 08:16.23 | doug | holycow, love the nick. |
| 08:16.27 | Tweek888 | maybe :) |
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| 08:16.41 | doug | yo tweek why not tweak |
| 08:16.50 | tweak | sorry Im not in mood to play sorry. I cant figure out this munin-node and why its not initializing plugins.... |
| 08:17.24 | crappledev | bucky: that kernel paniced... /lib/2.6.12/modules.dep |
| 08:17.25 | doug | ok i respect that |
| 08:17.27 | Tweek888 | tweek is more stylin :) |
| 08:17.28 | hellz | are there any difference in writing to a flsh than hdd? |
| 08:17.37 | doug | indeed it is |
| 08:17.43 | mosty | hellz, with respect to what? |
| 08:17.44 | holycow | doug, we aim to entertain |
| 08:17.52 | doug | Hey is there some default watchdog stuff going on in the current kernels or what |
| 08:17.54 | hellz | writing things |
| 08:18.01 | Tweek888 | So, can anyone take a look at fglrx install errors in #flood for me :< |
| 08:18.08 | Guerin | hellz: yes, they are not identical, therefore they are different. |
| 08:18.12 | Lam_al_Adie | hellz: if you mount a flash, you probably want to use the options sync,noatime |
| 08:18.25 | hellz | this is for the first time i will be working with flash |
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| 08:18.35 | hellz | any good tutorial u guys know of |
| 08:18.40 | bucky | crappledev, that's not a kernel |
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| 08:19.00 | doug | hellz.. umm kazaa yourself a for dummies one but i'd be quiet about flash in here |
| 08:19.01 | Guerin | hellz: google. I just set up sarge on a usb key; unfortunately all my hardware is too old to boot off it. |
| 08:19.28 | Lam_al_Adie | Guerin: nice try, though |
| 08:19.30 | jetx | Guerin: smart boot manager wouldn't boot it? |
| 08:19.31 | doug | they'll get all yo use blender3d instead on you |
| 08:19.41 | jaymes | Guerin, try at office max |
| 08:20.00 | Guerin | jetx: eh? my biosen don't do USB. They're all late '90s |
| 08:20.02 | bucky | crappledev, i'd suggest you make a kernel this way http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 08:20.07 | jetx | ah |
| 08:20.08 | Guerin | jaymes: wtf is office max? |
| 08:20.10 | crappledev | bucky: well that is what induced panic |
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| 08:20.41 | jaymes | Guerin, office store; obviously not local to you |
| 08:20.54 | Guerin | jaymes: heh. I'm in Korea. |
| 08:20.56 | bucky | no but their sweat shops are near him |
| 08:20.58 | jamsi | Anyone know how to fix? 0 Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template missing ... exiting |
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| 08:21.07 | jamsi | when trying to install exim4 |
| 08:21.08 | jaymes | yep, that'd be why |
| 08:21.21 | Guerin | it's ok |
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| 08:21.31 | jaymes | Guerin, do they have walmarts in korea? |
| 08:21.36 | Guerin | there are about 1000 high-spec gaming pcs within 200 metres of me |
| 08:21.50 | GURT | could someone help me with my boot up freezing at GRUB _? |
| 08:21.54 | doug | i can't believe the stock's reaction when sun announced this "open source" stuff on solaris. This has become buzzword material |
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| 08:21.57 | bucky | only walmart sweatshops |
| 08:22.05 | Guerin | jaymes: a few; american army bases and swanky rich suburbs where foreign diplomats, etc. live |
| 08:22.11 | bucky | and they spend all their money on gaming |
| 08:22.17 | Guerin | jaymes: ie: nowhere even remotely near me. |
| 08:22.28 | tweak | does anybody know how I reload my /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 08:22.39 | Guerin | tweak: you don't. |
| 08:22.39 | streuner_ | heh |
| 08:22.40 | jaymes | Guerin, that's good & bad |
| 08:22.41 | bucky | Guerin, what the hell are you doing there.. peace corps? |
| 08:22.49 | jaymes | Guerin, oddly, my situation too |
| 08:22.50 | doug | >99% of cnbc watchers do not have a clue what source is, open or otherwise |
| 08:22.51 | Guerin | bucky: teaching english in public schools. |
| 08:23.17 | bucky | Guerin, why.. are you a humanist? |
| 08:23.29 | Guerin | jaymes: i've only been to a walmart once, and only because it was the only thing open at 5am when i needed more wine |
| 08:23.37 | bucky | can't be a missionary |
| 08:23.39 | jaymes | I live in south central Pennsylvania, AKA Alabama |
| 08:23.46 | Guerin | bucky: I like humans, but I don't get your question. |
| 08:23.47 | streuner_ | Guerin: haha |
| 08:23.56 | amphi | doug: OTOH, as an open source user, I have no clue what cnbc is ;0 |
| 08:24.09 | doug | Guerin: know a prog that will confert my hostless access.logs to hosts crunching it through dns? |
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| 08:24.14 | doug | amphi: :) |
| 08:24.16 | Guerin | bucky: actually, scrap that. I like about a hundred humans on this earth. |
| 08:24.21 | jaymes | Guerin, you wouldn't like our walmarts then; no booze |
| 08:24.29 | Guerin | bucky: the rest are pending evaluation. |
| 08:24.39 | leri | jaymes, near reading? |
| 08:24.40 | Guerin | doug: perl |
| 08:24.48 | jaymes | leri, not really |
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| 08:25.00 | doug | Guerin: no php?? |
| 08:25.04 | jaymes | leri, 3 hr from pitts & 3 hr from philly |
| 08:25.05 | Guerin | doug: haha |
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| 08:25.22 | jaymes | but, I have dsl, so I remain |
| 08:25.25 | doug | man i can't be picoing this shit at 4:25 in the morning |
| 08:25.29 | leri | around harrisburg i'd guess then |
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| 08:25.53 | jaymes | leri, close-ish |
| 08:26.06 | jaymes | leri, about an hr |
| 08:26.13 | doug | that doods signoff message was totally not that funny |
| 08:26.40 | leri | that whole region in my opinion is desolate spiritually |
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| 08:26.49 | doug | someone needs to advance the ebonics.irc sourceforge project to handle /quit messages |
| 08:27.11 | grimalkin | leri: Welcome to the midwest. |
| 08:27.24 | doug | and i see nothing updated from the MJ acquittal on the cvs |
| 08:27.56 | tweak | wow ok my munin-node plugins was becuase I set my ipaddress and stuff manually weirdness. Dhcped it and it worked fine. Thanks all. |
| 08:28.19 | jaymes | leri, not desolate; I have 5 churches within 5 minutes |
| 08:28.42 | Coffee | i have problem installing Knoppix :(. knx-hdinstall does not work. |
| 08:28.49 | Guerin | jaymes: sounds desolate to me |
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| 08:29.11 | Guerin | Coffee: #knoppix, or /msg dpkg install debian |
| 08:29.23 | Coffee | k |
| 08:29.29 | tweak | How do I list my partitions? |
| 08:29.29 | jaymes | Guerin, mosque in 45 minutes, synagogue the same |
| 08:29.39 | streuner_ | tweak: fdisk -l |
| 08:29.42 | leri | jaymes, and do the churches function properly, strengthening positive social values like sharing source or helping the poor? |
| 08:29.54 | jaymes | leri, mine does |
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| 08:29.58 | Guerin | hah, my stupid isp are STILL trying to poison my dns |
| 08:30.02 | Briaj | hi all |
| 08:30.04 | jaymes | leri, or at least we try |
| 08:30.20 | Briaj | does anyone have problems updating the kernel to 2.6.12? |
| 08:30.20 | leri | in godless seattle there's way more help available for the down and out than in southeastern pennsylvania as i experienced it |
| 08:30.35 | grimalkin | church++ != desolate-- |
| 08:30.35 | tweak | Guerin may I ask whats going on? |
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| 08:30.45 | tweak | They dont like you hosting a DNS server? |
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| 08:30.55 | doug | Guerin: punish them with some good ol' ping -fing |
| 08:30.58 | jaymes | leri, when I was in seattle I was offered lots of "help" :) |
| 08:31.08 | jaymes | I think most of it required my wallet |
| 08:31.11 | Briaj | my kde can't start with kernel 2.6.12 |
| 08:31.12 | bucky | Briaj, tweek did with initrd |
| 08:31.21 | jaymes | but then, I wasn't down & out |
| 08:31.31 | Guerin | Briaj: use a debian kernel. |
| 08:31.35 | bucky | did you rebuild your nvidia drivers? |
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| 08:32.00 | Guerin | tweak: they say I haven't paid my bill, when in fact they haven't debited my account, as they were instructed. |
| 08:32.01 | Briaj | bucky: i use the driver nv and the official nvidia drivers... but fails too |
| 08:32.05 | doug | briaj use this time to reflect on how guis dont make life that much better |
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| 08:32.18 | Briaj | doug, ;) |
| 08:32.26 | jaymes | leri, but you might be right about southeastern; I've never gotten positive vibes when I'm there |
| 08:32.27 | bucky | Briaj, which version of debian is it? |
| 08:32.33 | Briaj | bucky, sid |
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| 08:32.48 | grimalkin | Briaj: You need to recompile the Nvidia kernel stuff probably... and the driver needs to be 'nvidia' not 'nv' |
| 08:32.49 | tweak | Guerin oh, sorry that thats happening. |
| 08:32.54 | bucky | Briaj, sid always has problems |
| 08:32.56 | Guerin | tweak: so now their dhcp server is assigning me poisoned dns servers which redirect everything to their rant page |
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| 08:32.59 | grimalkin | If you want to use theirs |
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| 08:33.07 | Briaj | the .config for the kernel 2.6.11 and 2.6.12 are the same |
| 08:33.09 | bucky | doug, are you back already? |
| 08:33.22 | Guerin | tweak: it's not bfd to me, since i can just set my resolv.conf +i and use my own dns servers... |
| 08:33.34 | wols | Briaj: recompile your nvidia kernel module and use nvidia for X |
| 08:33.36 | doug | yeah but not for long, about to go through all my email since may of 04 .. honestly have not checked it since |
| 08:33.39 | JimMozzo04 | Hi sir, on my pc (with debian sarge), I run the cmd apt-get update then apt-get upgrade, after all the steps when I try to reboot the pc lilo fails and stop writing LI, whats appen ? |
| 08:33.39 | grimalkin | Briaj: But the nvidia stuff is a separate module... kernel poisen. |
| 08:33.45 | doug | or my answering machine in like three weeks |
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| 08:33.52 | Guerin | Briaj: nvidia sometimes breaks with new kernels. Deal. |
| 08:33.55 | tweak | Guerin hehe nice why dont they just turn you off instead of annoy you? |
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| 08:33.58 | Briaj | wols, i did that and it continue failing :( |
| 08:34.04 | Guerin | tweak: because they're fucking idiots. |
| 08:34.09 | witless | is there in the sarge repository a console-based audio player that will continue to play audio after i close a session, but that i can connect to again from another session and do stuff like pause, jump ahead, etc... ? |
| 08:34.15 | bucky | Briaj, back before packages were held back so sarge could get out the door Xfree was broken in sid every other week |
| 08:34.21 | valdyn | witless: several |
| 08:34.22 | wols | Briaj: then just tell us the X error message instead of whining |
| 08:34.22 | tweak | Guerin ok sounds good :0) |
| 08:34.26 | Briaj | Guerin, i use the nv driver of xfree86 and it fails too |
| 08:34.27 | bucky | looks like we're back on schedule |
| 08:34.28 | jaymes | JimMozzo04, did you rerun lilo? |
| 08:34.39 | witless | valdyn: are there any that you would recommend? |
| 08:34.40 | Guerin | tweak: and they figure that people won't be able to figure out and circumvent their puny measures. |
| 08:34.51 | bucky | doug, is cloud9 your baby? |
| 08:34.53 | JimMozzo04 | jaymes: No, after the upgrade |
| 08:34.59 | TBBle | witless: I used to use mplay, but that was years ago. |
| 08:35.02 | Briaj | wols, in /var/log/XFree86.0.log doesn't appear errors :? |
| 08:35.02 | wols | Guerin: and they are probably right for 98% of the population |
| 08:35.05 | doug | witless.. you could execute xvncserver on the console, and vncing you can do shit like that |
| 08:35.11 | doug | bucky: nope.. assambassador.com is |
| 08:35.12 | Guerin | wols: yup. |
| 08:35.21 | wols | Briaj: if X won't start it will tell you why. so there must be errors |
| 08:35.25 | doug | dont pingflood me yo |
| 08:35.27 | tweak | Guerin but your 1337 uber h4Xor |
| 08:35.38 | witless | doug: hmm, good idea, i think i'll do that if i can't find anything that's console-only |
| 08:35.43 | jaymes | JimMozzo04, you probably installed a new linux kernel & lilo doesn't know about it yet |
| 08:35.45 | Guerin | tweak: nope. I just noticed that my NATed boxen worked fine... |
| 08:35.45 | valdyn | witless: no i dont recommend any, you can try apt-get install gmpc mpc mpd |
| 08:35.49 | wols | Briaj: run startx from a console. there will be lots of pretty signs called "letters". one of the lines is an error message |
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| 08:35.54 | witless | valdyn: thanks |
| 08:35.59 | JimMozzo04 | jaymes: How can I do to resolve this problem ? |
| 08:36.10 | bucky | doug, too funny |
| 08:36.13 | valdyn | witless: or 'glurp' too, just another frontend for the same daemon |
| 08:36.14 | blitzo | I have ISO files from the latest debian release (from 1 to 14) and I am trying to figure out what each of them exactly contain. Is there a way to get a thorough description of the packages these cds have? |
| 08:36.23 | jaymes | JimMozzo04, can you boot your computer into linux at all? |
| 08:36.24 | bucky | !irritate tweek |
| 08:36.25 | dpkg | tweek: hi every1 who uses gnome ???/ |
| 08:36.27 | tweak | Guerin you seem very knowledgeable. Who owns the internet? Who do I pay for domain names and how did they get in charge of it? Why are they in charge of it? |
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| 08:36.37 | doug | witless: and of course you can run as many sessions with new desktops as you want, or switch users and execute it so that what you do on vnc stays with that user for future logins |
| 08:36.38 | jaymes | JimMozzo04, rescue disk, etc? |
| 08:36.40 | valdyn | valdyn: alternatively - quark |
| 08:36.45 | JimMozzo04 | jaymes: No, I can boot it with a cdrom and mount the fs |
| 08:36.51 | Briaj | wols, did anyone have a similar problem with 2.6.12? |
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| 08:36.59 | MobyTurbo | blitzo: they are arranged according to popularity, and unlike other distros, you don't need to have all of the CDs to install. |
| 08:37.00 | JimMozzo04 | jaymes: edit the /etc/lilo.conf |
| 08:37.15 | JimMozzo04 | jaymes: and how can I run lilo in that partition ? |
| 08:37.17 | doug | bucky: dont forget to click the intermediate images for the high resolution goodness |
| 08:37.28 | Guerin | tweak: big questions. short answer: the IANA. iana.org |
| 08:37.29 | doug | and if it's your thing i got a black chicks section |
| 08:37.29 | Briaj | wols, yesterday i was using gnome... today i use kde... it fails with both |
| 08:37.29 | valdyn | Briaj: why dont you, instead of asking if anyone else had a problem, check your logs as to what is the problem and fix it ( or let us fix it ) |
| 08:37.33 | wols | JimMozzo04: how did you start from your rescue CD? |
| 08:37.53 | tweak | Thanks |
| 08:37.59 | Guerin | Briaj: 2.6.12-rc6 works perfectly for me. |
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| 08:38.06 | jaymes | JimMozzo04, I'm sorry to say I don't run lilo, so my help has reached its end |
| 08:38.08 | Guerin | Briaj: not on nvidia, though. |
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| 08:38.24 | wols | Briaj: do what I told you and stop talking about unrelated stuff. kde and gnome only run after X is up. no X -> no kde or gnome. so kde and gnome are not your problem |
| 08:38.26 | Guerin | doug: don't pimp your porn site here. |
| 08:38.27 | Briaj | valdyn, I have been seeing syslog, kern.log, messages, dmesg, XFree86.0.log and i can't see any error |
| 08:38.39 | Guerin | doug: unless you want to be permanently banned, of course. |
| 08:38.46 | blitzo | MobyTurbo: thankx for that, but in your opinion which cds I need to install debian? |
| 08:38.48 | JimMozzo04 | wols: I can start with a rescue cd but I need to modify lilo.conf and then run lilo to write the correct boot information |
| 08:38.54 | bucky | doug i was looking for a photo someone has stashed away on an ftp server of steffi graff bending over ready for a serve and her panties are soaked thru.. kind of gross |
| 08:38.56 | doug | guerin he asked about my irc host which i have set for my isp host not my website on purpose .. he asked what the host was |
| 08:39.00 | doug | my bad. |
| 08:39.13 | hayeka_co | ALO |
| 08:39.25 | wols | JimMozzo04: if you start with the rescue kernel and give it "root=/dev/hda1" or wherever your root partition is, you can just edit /etc/lilo.conf and run lilo |
| 08:39.32 | valdyn | Briaj: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 08:39.35 | MobyTurbo | blitzo: the first one, or better yet netinst |
| 08:39.35 | hayeka_co | ALO |
| 08:39.46 | jaymes | porn site, what? |
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| 08:39.57 | Guerin | jaymes: http://the.inter.net |
| 08:39.59 | Briaj | wols, where i run startx the x server run because open the 6000 port... but in the "welcome window" of kde or gnome stop and can't follow loading the desktop |
| 08:40.08 | doug | classy erotica man not porn geez |
| 08:40.16 | JimMozzo04 | wols: if I run lilo it intend to get the file in /etc/lilo.conf and not /mnt/hda1/etc/lilo.conf |
| 08:40.21 | hayeka_co | AAAA |
| 08:40.24 | jaymes | I'm too tired for porn |
| 08:40.30 | blitzo | MobyTurbo: where can I read more about what netinst is? or maybe you can briefly tell me? |
| 08:40.31 | doug | jaymes i hear that |
| 08:40.34 | valdyn | Briaj: look at ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 08:40.48 | jaymes | & I need to get up tomorrow & do some deployments |
| 08:40.49 | MobyTurbo | blitzo: www.debian.org |
| 08:40.51 | wols | JimMozzo04: "chroot /mnt/hda1/ /sbin/lilo" |
| 08:41.13 | valdyn | blitzo: a minimial install cd that will have you download additional packages from the net |
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| 08:41.23 | Briaj | valdyn, i don't have that file :( |
| 08:41.34 | jaymes | bye, y'all |
| 08:41.43 | wols | Briaj: what version of debian? |
| 08:41.44 | blitzo | valdyn: alright, thx |
| 08:41.45 | JimMozzo04 | wols: Ok I try this and give my feedback |
| 08:41.47 | doug | bye buddy |
| 08:41.47 | Briaj | valdyn, with the grep doesn't appear errors :( |
| 08:41.49 | doug | been fun |
| 08:41.52 | Briaj | wols, sid |
| 08:42.21 | wols | Briaj: tried some other windowmanager like xfce or fluxbox? |
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| 08:42.29 | Briaj | wols, i don't know if it is a kernel error or debian error.. :? |
| 08:42.58 | wols | Briaj: if you get a graphical screen, there shouldn't be anything related to the kernel anymore |
| 08:43.00 | Briaj | wols, i have tried gnome and kde... and it fails too |
| 08:43.19 | wols | Briaj: I didn't ask about gnome or kde. I asked about fluxbox |
| 08:43.21 | Briaj | wols, i think the same like you |
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| 08:44.03 | valdyn | Briaj: quite strange that you have no ~/.xsession-errors if you run sid |
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| 08:44.52 | Briaj | valdyn, i haven't that file :( |
| 08:45.20 | kreg | learned something rather intersting about my friend today. I work with him on different network projects in the area. |
| 08:45.25 | Briaj | this problem is very very strange... |
| 08:45.27 | kreg | he has two registered tcp/ip ports |
| 08:45.31 | valdyn | Briaj: start X w/ 'xinit', run gnome-session in the shell on that xserver. |
| 08:45.43 | kreg | i've always known he has been involved with the internet since it's infancy, and he was telling me about this game company that bugs him from time to time. |
| 08:46.08 | hayeka_co | PING ME |
| 08:46.08 | crappledev | speaking of xsession errors, after a reboot today ICEauthority had changed ownership to root and x was crashing within 10 seconds |
| 08:46.11 | kreg | he said, "ya there some game company that keeps asking me about my port that they apparently use" |
| 08:46.17 | kreg | so i asked who |
| 08:46.24 | kreg | he said "oh i dunno, can't remember, don't think they are very big" |
| 08:46.24 | Guerin | port? |
| 08:46.31 | kreg | i asked him what ports he has. |
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| 08:46.37 | kreg | he said "1026 and 6112" |
| 08:46.42 | Guerin | i don't think you mean what you think you mean. |
| 08:46.42 | hayeka_co | help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:46.45 | kreg | 6112 sounded very familiar, so i looked it up |
| 08:46.50 | doug | hayeka_co: OK!!! |
| 08:46.54 | kreg | battle.net |
| 08:46.56 | kreg | !! |
| 08:46.56 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 08:46.59 | kreg | weird eh? |
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| 08:47.17 | jimi | kreg: wtf is ya point? |
| 08:47.17 | hayeka_co | i don't think so |
| 08:47.21 | witless | valdyn: mpd and mpc / glurp are perfect, thanks |
| 08:47.37 | hayeka_co | hi doug |
| 08:47.42 | kreg | jimi, just weird to find out your friend and business partner owns the battle.net port |
| 08:47.53 | Guerin | kreg: how can you own a port? |
| 08:47.53 | kreg | and he didn't even really care |
| 08:47.56 | doug | how are you hayeka? |
| 08:48.12 | kreg | Guerin, he is registered with it back from when people do that |
| 08:48.33 | hayeka_co | fine,thx |
| 08:48.54 | hayeka_co | where are u doug? |
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| 08:49.33 | doug | new york city |
| 08:49.33 | tarzeau | good morning |
| 08:49.37 | hayeka_co | doug? |
| 08:49.47 | wallo | hi, has anyone of u an idea how to make wpa_supplicant work with airo driver. or ist that impossible? |
| 08:49.51 | hayeka_co | jakarta city |
| 08:49.54 | doug | i'm trying to visual traceroute you but it xtraceroute ain't putting out |
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| 08:50.17 | hayeka_co | what do u mean? |
| 08:50.19 | doug | in what country is jakarta city |
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| 08:50.37 | doug | hayeka_co: i mean i was trying to figure out where you were without asking .. for fun |
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| 08:50.44 | Briaj | hi all again |
| 08:50.53 | hayeka_co | ????? |
| 08:51.02 | doug | what's the .id tld for? |
| 08:51.06 | Briaj | wols, it still fail |
| 08:51.20 | hayeka_co | mmmmm...... |
| 08:51.47 | wols | Briaj: how does it fail? does it drop you back to the console? |
| 08:51.48 | Briaj | i will still booting with kernel 2.6.11 |
| 08:51.49 | doug | oh your in Indonesia |
| 08:51.54 | wols | if so, then X must give a reason for this |
| 08:52.08 | hayeka_co | yup! |
| 08:52.30 | doug | do people ask you about "the indo" in your homeland? |
| 08:52.34 | Briaj | wols, no.. where appear a wellcome window saying "Kde 3.3 bla bla bla"... it stop running |
| 08:52.55 | hayeka_co | no! |
| 08:53.02 | Briaj | wols, the most rare thing is that with kernel 2.6.11 everything works fine :? |
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| 08:53.08 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 08:53.08 | hayeka_co | so? |
| 08:53.18 | doug | hi amporhix, what's doin' .. |
| 08:53.24 | hayeka_co | hi! |
| 08:53.28 | grimalkin | Bri, try moving all the '.kde' etc files to a temporary directory and restarting kde -- otherwise, it might also be a sound-related problem (and one of the reasons i never use kde) |
| 08:53.29 | doug | so? .. nevermind. |
| 08:53.30 | doug | hi! |
| 08:53.30 | amorphix | why does my cdrom always come up "device is busy" when i try to umount it? |
| 08:53.34 | amorphix | hi doug |
| 08:53.35 | wallo | is noone here who has a plan about wpa_supplicant in connection with airo driver? |
| 08:53.37 | doug | how can i help you |
| 08:53.42 | doug | hayeka |
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| 08:53.51 | amorphix | doug: my cdrom wont let me umount it |
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| 08:54.12 | doug | amorphix you're too oldschool for me, i'm working on this other dude |
| 08:54.26 | doug | my advice, bust out a paperclip |
| 08:54.34 | amorphix | what does old school mean? have people stopped using cdroms? |
| 08:54.52 | Briaj | thank you very much to all.. if i get to resolve this problem, i will tell you |
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| 08:54.57 | doug | i avoid them, the eject button's about as responsive as the Door Close button on most elevators |
| 08:55.06 | hayeka_co | I can't speak English well |
| 08:55.09 | amorphix | ahhh so its not just me then |
| 08:55.16 | grimalkin | amor, you've probably still got something cd'd in it. |
| 08:55.17 | wols | amorphix: some process has a file opened on the CD |
| 08:55.17 | CountZ | I'm getting this error once in a while (followed by a 20 line stack dump) in my dmesg: swapper: page allocation failure. order:3, mode:0x20 |
| 08:55.22 | CountZ | Should I be worried? |
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| 08:55.36 | doug | Briaj: go in peace young man, in honor of your heritage keeping #debian close to your heart and try to fix that shit yo |
| 08:55.40 | TBBle | I've never hit an elevator with a failed Door Close button... |
| 08:55.51 | doug | well they take their time |
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| 08:56.03 | doug | they're not as bad as cdrom eject buttons can sometimes get |
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| 08:56.18 | grimalkin | make sure that there are no shells with the cdrom mountpoint as their pwd... that always catches me. |
| 08:56.18 | TBBle | Mind you, many people make bad assumptions about what the door close button does... |
| 08:56.20 | crappledev | bucky: in #debianppc their is another case of mkinitrd not functioning with 2.6.12 |
| 08:56.29 | amorphix | wols: is there any way to be sure? |
| 08:56.37 | CountZ | doug: That's why I bought my "Internet" Swiss Army Knife, it has a pin for force ejecting CD-Roms |
| 08:56.44 | wols | amorphix: I usually use lsof |
| 08:56.51 | doug | haha that's awesome |
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| 08:56.53 | amorphix | im running fluxbox now its a whole lot more faster and stable than KDE |
| 08:56.59 | amorphix | wols thanks |
| 08:57.08 | doug | i would totally buy that if i knew anyone irl who understands this form of humor. |
| 08:57.24 | grimalkin | wols, thanks, I forgot the command. |
| 08:57.39 | CountZ | doug: It's worth it... has a nice set of changable screwdrivers as well, very nifty! |
| 08:57.41 | bucky | crappledev, my guess is that mkinitrd doesn't have the compression capability it needs on the ppc platform |
| 08:57.46 | CountZ | doug: all in all, my BEST buy ever. |
| 08:57.52 | CountZ | (in terms of usefulness) |
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| 08:58.39 | doug | the next time i encounter a locked up cdrom i'd be more likely instead of using the cdrom army nife thing use a screwdriver head and just abuse the f out of it |
| 08:58.42 | donpablo | look after a how to to move home directory and cripted it |
| 08:58.49 | wallo | i'm still searching for help with wpa_supplicant and airo driver. plz.. |
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| 08:59.26 | amorphix | Linux seems a lot less forgiving of scratched/marked CDs than Windows is |
| 09:00.00 | adapter | when i try to connect to my ftpd i get 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable anonymous root |
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| 09:00.21 | Guerin | adapter: the problem is in the error message |
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| 09:00.37 | adapter | so the homedir is root owner? |
| 09:00.37 | doug | amporphix: i'm not surprised, given linux's natural leetness in everything except running macromedia warez. |
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| 09:01.16 | Guerin | adapter: you can't have a writable anonymous root. change the perms or make it unwritable in vsftpd config |
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| 09:01.30 | amorphix | doug are you for real? |
| 09:01.59 | MobyTurbo | amorphix: best to /ignore him |
| 09:02.07 | amorphix | aye |
| 09:02.08 | doug | jesus my inbox is 2791, with thunderbird guessing 568 to be junk, and i can see already a bunch are not ... |
| 09:02.16 | doug | amorphix: if i take my meds |
| 09:02.33 | doug | gonna need more adderall for this |
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| 09:03.21 | adapter | Guerin: i've mounted a hdd in the homedir of the ftp user. |
| 09:03.22 | robin_sz | doug: and how many times have you trained thunderbird on what is junk and not? |
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| 09:04.05 | doug | zero |
| 09:04.12 | robin_sz | well what do you expect then ... |
| 09:04.13 | doug | haven't gone through email since may 04 |
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| 09:04.41 | doug | i expect to have adderall get injested by me and eventually kick in to make this problem go away |
| 09:04.47 | robin_sz | it needs a few (say 5) runs through of ticking junk/not junk to properly train itself |
| 09:04.51 | doug | washing it down with some Dewars straight |
| 09:06.01 | amorphix | sheesh ive killed every process i can see that using cdrom and it's still busy |
| 09:06.05 | doug | robin_sz: is there a "junk" button or do i have to right click then go to mark then junk? |
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| 09:06.39 | amorphix | is there a way to filter the output from lsof command? |
| 09:06.48 | MobyTurbo | amorphix: pipe it through grep |
| 09:06.50 | robin_sz | yes there is a junk button .. on the top tool bar IIRC, and also in the message itself .. |
| 09:06.56 | amorphix | ok |
| 09:07.06 | doug | i see not junk |
| 09:07.10 | doug | hmm |
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| 09:07.24 | doug | probably can get one up there with configging |
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| 09:07.56 | robin_sz | as I remember, you get a "not junk" button on messages marked as junk already, and a "junk" button on messages marked as not junk already .. |
| 09:08.00 | doug | if i start going through junk and marking things as not junk will it "learn" and actively move around matching things accordingly? |
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| 09:08.22 | doug | moving not matching |
| 09:08.30 | doug | moving things with the same junk "fingerprint" |
| 09:08.39 | robin_sz | doug: mark a few things up and then re-run the junk filters .. correct the ones it got wrong .. re-run the junk filters .. |
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| 09:09.10 | doug | cool. |
| 09:09.11 | Asad | join #xchat |
| 09:09.13 | doug | thanks robin |
| 09:09.19 | robin_sz | doug: after that it learns pretty quick .. I dont use it .. but my wife does and its almost foolproof ...almost |
| 09:09.29 | robin_sz | im on linux ... |
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| 09:11.19 | robin_sz | sigh ... looks like I really will have to install win95 on this box. sigh. bugger. freedos didn't work for me. |
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| 09:11.48 | wols | robin_sz: not working for what? |
| 09:11.57 | robin_sz | now, why cant someone just fix debian to run old dos apps huh? how hard can that be? |
| 09:12.03 | robin_sz | wols: an old dos app |
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| 09:12.28 | wols | robin_sz: tried dosbox? |
| 09:12.40 | robin_sz | mmmm, nope. not heard of thatone .. |
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| 09:13.17 | wols | mainly used for playing old DOS games. DOS games usually being the most problematic DOS programs |
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| 09:13.53 | robin_sz | freedos failed to implenent access to the serial port for me .. |
| 09:13.55 | wols | and if you need a real DOS inside it, you might be able to go to bootdisk.com and get one from there |
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| 09:14.37 | emptied | sorry booted myself... is there something better than wpa_supplicant for roaming APs |
| 09:14.41 | grimalkin | amorphix: Yay! |
| 09:14.44 | robin_sz | ahh. that might do it. bootdisk.com .. I need a very minimal enviroment to run this app, but do need serial port access |
| 09:14.47 | bucky | robin_sz, dosemu ? |
| 09:14.50 | wols | under DOS, accessing the serial port means accessing the hardware directly. linux can't allow that |
| 09:14.52 | amorphix | the solution to a hot laptop is a thermo resistant tray |
| 09:14.54 | bucky | robin_sz, wine ? |
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| 09:15.09 | tweek_ | hello i get errors trying to isntall a i386 deb file i generated from a .rpm, can anyone help me with it? :< |
| 09:15.10 | amorphix | works a treat |
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| 09:15.13 | AdLi | Booyakasha! |
| 09:15.15 | AdLi | hi |
| 09:15.30 | robin_sz | bucky: dosemu? not heard of that ...wow ... so many options :) |
| 09:15.43 | emptied | tweek_, alien is highly unsupported here |
| 09:15.47 | bucky | robin_sz, that's cave man linux |
| 09:15.51 | amorphix | tweek_ best to show or explain the errors and see |
| 09:16.03 | tweek_ | i will paste in #flood |
| 09:16.08 | bucky | robin_sz, what do you think legacy doom runs on? |
| 09:16.34 | robin_sz | bucky: dunno. you think the serial port acess will be OK? |
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| 09:17.03 | amorphix | anyone tried the latest enlightenment? pheeew its fast and performs top of the benchmark tests |
| 09:17.14 | emptied | tweek_, you can *try* using force but you may hose your GL stuff |
| 09:17.18 | bucky | robin_sz, at the dosemu prompt run dir a:\ |
| 09:17.23 | amphi | amorphix: .17? |
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| 09:17.28 | amorphix | yes |
| 09:17.42 | tweek_ | emptied, if -f is force it doesn't work |
| 09:17.47 | tweek_ | but i am not sure :\ |
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| 09:18.05 | amphi | amorphix: is it released, or is this cvs or whatever? |
| 09:18.05 | wols | amorphix: aren't benchmarks for desktops environments a bit silly? |
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| 09:18.24 | raf256 | kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 from package kernel-source-2.6.8 - it already have all debian-specyfic patches - that I add only my specyfic patches and recompile, or have I to apply by hand debian-specyfic patches as well? |
| 09:18.26 | emptied | bucky, handy for dealing with MB bios floppies too |
| 09:18.26 | amorphix | sometimes can be heavily biased |
| 09:18.32 | emptied | wols, how so? |
| 09:18.38 | amorphix | but ive tried enlightenment myself and was very impressed |
| 09:18.53 | robin_sz | bucky: I'm probably missing something here ... how will accessing the A drive tell me if I'll be able to use the serial ports? |
| 09:18.55 | tweek_ | emptied any other ideas? :\ |
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| 09:19.09 | robin_sz | oh well, right .. I'll go install debian and dosemu then ... |
| 09:19.22 | AdLi | I think i've made a mistake with the firewall configuration... can I reset the Iptable configuration? |
| 09:19.29 | emptied | tweek_, yeah -f... Well, maybe dpkg-divert the bad lib and try |
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| 09:19.43 | tweek_ | this is over my head :( |
| 09:19.49 | emptied | tweek_, but I avoid alien like the plague |
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| 09:20.23 | trueno | Anyone using wdm? Are you getting two wdm processes and a much slower startup of wdm? |
| 09:20.28 | emptied | AdLi, /etc/init.d/iptables stop |
| 09:20.37 | amorphix | if u introduce an alien species into your environment u're asking for trouble ;-) |
| 09:20.42 | AdLi | thank you |
| 09:20.47 | d03boy | does ndiswrapper with a braodcom chipset make anyone elses computer completely freeze at random times? |
| 09:21.09 | emptied | trueno, you get a second DM proc when you login, same with all DMs |
| 09:21.46 | emptied | AdLi, not a problem |
| 09:22.43 | tarzeau | how can i leave a memo on freenode again? |
| 09:22.49 | emptied | raf256, vim reads .gz? I did not know that |
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| 09:23.03 | raf256 | emptied: it does \o/ |
| 09:23.20 | amphi | tarzeau: /msg memoserv help |
| 09:23.51 | tarzeau | amphi: thanks |
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| 09:28.42 | mike__ | how do i make the computer beep from the command line.. i need to wake someone up on the other end of my ssh connection |
| 09:28.45 | Puzzled | a kernel module ("cs461x") is loaded every time I boot and interferes with ALSA. I've nuked the cs461x.ko file in /lib/modules and I've rebuilt my initrd using dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.11, but the module continues to show up in lsmod after a boot. I can't imagine where it's coming from. How do I find out? |
| 09:29.06 | phaethon | mike__, echo -e '\a' ? |
| 09:29.07 | trueno | emptied: What can then have been cause the higher amount of time it takes to start the window manager (since you get the "X" cursor till you get the final login screen)? |
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| 09:29.27 | caphuso | Puzzled: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 09:29.50 | trueno | Puzzled: look in /etc/modules? |
| 09:30.03 | mike__ | phaethon: thats only beeping for me |
| 09:30.12 | mike__ | phaethon: i need something that beeps on the other end |
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| 09:30.26 | Puzzled | caphuso: thanks, the module in question is already blacklisted in both discover & hotplug. I'm *really* confused that it's still loading. |
| 09:30.29 | mike__ | phaethon: i wish he had alsa installed |
| 09:30.44 | Puzzled | trueno: thanks, I checked /etc/modules and it's not there. |
| 09:30.46 | grimalkin | mike__: As far as I know, there's no way to force it to beep on the other side... you can try 'cat /dev/random > /dev/audio' -- that might wake them up. |
| 09:31.00 | mike__ | grimalkin: thanks |
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| 09:31.08 | caphuso | /dev/random doesn't produce enough data to wake anyone up |
| 09:31.09 | phaethon | mike__, write $other_user ? |
| 09:31.33 | grimalkin | caphuso: Never tried it before myself. |
| 09:31.53 | mike__ | phaethon: no, they are physically asleep |
| 09:32.07 | Puzzled | perhaps /dev/urandom would be enough data. |
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| 09:33.58 | Puzzled | Given a kernel module loaded in memory, is it possible to find out which file it came from? I've tried "find /lib/modules -name cs461x.ko" and nothing comes up. |
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| 09:34.12 | mike__ | grimalkin: is there like a beeping program or something lol |
| 09:34.18 | grimalkin | Puzzled: No... no difference from a sonic standpoint -- white noise is white noise. |
| 09:34.35 | Puzzled | grimalkin: oh, I see. |
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| 09:35.08 | grimalkin | mike__: You *could* set up an echo -e '\a' loop in a script to run from a cron job... |
| 09:35.15 | Puzzled | caphuso meant "not enough information" then, not "data". :) |
| 09:35.32 | mike__ | grimalkin: omg i could |
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| 09:35.47 | Puzzled | mike__: or use "at" to schedule it. |
| 09:35.55 | mike__ | grimalkin: templete for a bash script? |
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| 09:36.03 | peterS | grimalkin: have you tried it? it won't work |
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| 09:36.19 | grimalkin | petroleum: Again, just snowballing... no. |
| 09:36.25 | grimalkin | er... |
| 09:36.26 | peterS | grimalkin: cron doesn't attach to any particular terminal. you'd have to redirect your shell script to a specific terminal before it'd work |
| 09:36.33 | grimalkin | Right. |
| 09:36.34 | peterS | grimalkin: same with at |
| 09:36.58 | mike__ | peterS: so what could i do to wake someone up at the other end |
| 09:37.01 | grimalkin | echo to a /dev/tty (assuming root) should do it though. |
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| 09:37.19 | peterS | grimalkin: no, /dev/tty doesn't exist in cron either. that means "your current tty" and cron doesn't have one |
| 09:37.31 | petroleum | ?? |
| 09:37.36 | petroleum | grimalkin, ?? |
| 09:37.58 | grimalkin | peterS: ACtually, it does -- just echo-redirect it to /dev/tty1 or such. |
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| 09:38.13 | grimalkin | petroleum, sorry... tried to shorten peterS. |
| 09:38.21 | petroleum | ahh np |
| 09:38.27 | monsoon | i just installed sarge, (just base basically, and enough to get ndiswrapper running) is it bad practice if I now upgrade to sid, before installing anything else Im going to use? |
| 09:38.30 | amorphix | its possible to communicate with wild birds |
| 09:38.36 | peterS | grimalkin: oh, you meant /dev/tty1 not /dev/tty |
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| 09:38.40 | AdLi | Booyakasha! |
| 09:38.44 | mosty | monsoon, no, go for it |
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| 09:38.53 | AdLi | hi |
| 09:38.55 | mike__ | peterS: so how do i send a beep to tty1 ? |
| 09:38.55 | amorphix | ive just had a jolly good conversation with a sparrow in a tree outside my window |
| 09:39.06 | monsoon | ok cool thx mosty |
| 09:39.10 | spdf | amorphix, Was he quite educated? |
| 09:39.14 | peterS | mike__: if you're logged in somewhere where you can hear /dev/tty1, yes |
| 09:39.15 | grimalkin | peterS, *nod* I'm not even sure what /dev/tty would do in cron. |
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| 09:39.30 | amorphix | spdf: hehe the conversation was a bit limited |
| 09:39.31 | grimalkin | peterS, and outside cron, that would work too. |
| 09:39.44 | spdf | amorphix, Limited to current events I imagine.. |
| 09:39.52 | spdf | amorphix, The weather, that sort of thing.. |
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| 09:39.56 | amorphix | aye |
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| 09:40.18 | mike__ | peterS: so what do i have to do? write root tty1 echo -e '\a' ? |
| 09:40.20 | peterS | grimalkin: "cannot create /dev/tty: No such device or address" |
| 09:40.25 | peterS | grimalkin: which is more or less what I expected |
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| 09:40.34 | grimalkin | hehe |
| 09:41.16 | peterS | mike__: echo 'echo -ne "\a" > /dev/tty1' | at 4:45 |
| 09:41.17 | peterS | mike__: that sort of thing |
| 09:41.24 | dot | i want to reinstall fontconfig ,but it is already in debian,i dont want to remove it to reinstall what shall i do ? |
| 09:41.41 | amorphix | im actually finding that cdrom use is better in Linux than Windows if done from the shell |
| 09:42.16 | grimalkin | amorphix, What do you mean? mount/unmount being nicer? or something else? |
| 09:42.53 | amorphix | grimalkin: yeah i like to see what's going on, i just made a bunch of aliases |
| 09:43.00 | AdLi | how i can install Vuurmuur? |
| 09:43.10 | amorphix | i have alot of dodgy CDs that tend to hang up processes in X |
| 09:43.14 | AdLi | apt-get install Vuurmuur doesn't work |
| 09:43.14 | tarzeau | AdLi: what is it? |
| 09:43.26 | AdLi | a frontend fot iptables |
| 09:43.27 | tarzeau | amorphix: what cd-rom drive? plextor? |
| 09:43.36 | tarzeau | AdLi: all debian packages are small caps |
| 09:43.47 | tarzeau | AdLi: try vuurmuur, check packages.d.o if it's there already |
| 09:43.49 | amorphix | tarzeau: oh i dunno, its a HP one inside my omnibook |
| 09:43.51 | tarzeau | if not you go package it |
| 09:43.58 | tarzeau | AdLi: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 09:44.00 | Puzzled | oh wow, cs461x is blacklisted in "/etc/discover.d", but discover is looking in "/etc/discover.conf.d". maybe that's my problem. |
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| 09:44.05 | si|vercat | k3b just stopped working, outputs something about DCOPserver.. never done that before |
| 09:44.07 | AdLi | thx |
| 09:44.10 | tarzeau | amorphix: cheap mitsumi stuff probably |
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| 09:44.16 | amorphix | could be |
| 09:44.19 | tarzeau | si|vercat: that's kde shit |
| 09:44.44 | grimalkin | ARG! |
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| 09:44.50 | dot | can any one help？i want to reinstall fontconfig ,but it is already in debian,i dont want to remove it to reinstall what shall i do ? |
| 09:45.01 | tarzeau | dot: --reinstall |
| 09:45.04 | si|vercat | tarzeau: but I've never used kde but k3b has always worked fine |
| 09:45.16 | tarzeau | si|vercat: now it's probably time to start using cdrecord |
| 09:45.25 | tarzeau | si|vercat: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ |
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| 09:45.31 | _OrIoN_ | hi |
| 09:45.33 | _OrIoN_ | I had a warning that i have an open proxy on my host, so i was |
| 09:45.33 | _OrIoN_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.48 | dot | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.48 | dot | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.53 | tarzeau | dot: add install |
| 09:46.02 | grimalkin | I've got apt-get failing left and right on the recent move to sarge on a SPARC... anyone have any ideas? |
| 09:46.04 | _OrIoN_ | does this make sense.. was apache the open proxy?, and if it is, how |
| 09:46.05 | _OrIoN_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.21 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: what version of apache? |
| 09:46.34 | si|vercat | tarzeau: the problem was no write permission to .ICEauthority :p |
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| 09:46.38 | amorphix | sheesh, someone smells ripe..its so hot again today |
| 09:46.43 | _OrIoN_ | 1.3.33 |
| 09:46.45 | tarzeau | grimalkin: what's the problem? tried #sparc ? |
| 09:46.46 | grimalkin | It wants to install a new libc -- but doesn't like my kernel, but it's gone far enough in the install to keep make-kpkg from working. |
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| 09:46.50 | Puzzled | grimalkin: i've heard aptitude handles dependencies better than apt-get, so i've switched to it. |
| 09:46.59 | tarzeau | grimalkin: hey i remember that problem. it sucks |
| 09:47.03 | grimalkin | tarzeau, yeah, noone was very taskative there. |
| 09:47.16 | tarzeau | Puzzled: no there was a major fuckup on sparc, like 3 months ago. |
| 09:47.17 | emptied | how "dangerous" is ntfs rw mounting anyway? |
| 09:47.22 | grimalkin | Puzzled, that's where the problems started... |
| 09:47.28 | tarzeau | Puzzled: and i'm not surprised at all if it'd still exist |
| 09:47.38 | tarzeau | grimalkin: hehe you are so fucked ;) |
| 09:47.50 | tarzeau | emptied: as much as you might lose all data at once |
| 09:47.54 | grimalkin | emptied, how 'important' is your NTFS partition ? ;) |
| 09:47.59 | tarzeau | emptied: and nobody or nothing will warn you before it happens |
| 09:48.04 | _OrIoN_ | so? |
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| 09:48.07 | grimalkin | tarzeau, that's what i thought... |
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| 09:48.11 | jamsi | Does anyone have the "exim4.conf.template" file they can send me? |
| 09:48.15 | _OrIoN_ | anyone knows how to close an open proxy |
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| 09:48.25 | tarzeau | grimalkin: it happened to me, installing sarge ... |
| 09:48.25 | emptied | tarzeau, Ah thanks, grimalkin, only important so I can qemu the thing |
| 09:48.26 | tarzeau | grimalkin: TWICE |
| 09:48.26 | dot | tarzeau： iam |
| 09:48.44 | grimalkin | tarzeau, on sparc? or just in general+ |
| 09:48.45 | grimalkin | ? |
| 09:48.49 | tarzeau | grimalkin: sparc only |
| 09:48.55 | _OrIoN_ | hello |
| 09:48.55 | jamsi | I've err .. misplaced mine and now exim4 won't install without it :P |
| 09:49.14 | qwertz | Hi! Trying to draw our network with dia but the icons for the network devices are quite ugly, has anybody a deb/link to some nicer network/pc stuff icons? |
| 09:49.16 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: no, read !harden-doc |
| 09:49.18 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 09:49.19 | dpkg | somebody said harden-doc was http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 09:49.22 | cplx | how do I tar something? |
| 09:49.23 | grimalkin | yeah -- I've had this same problem take out my webservers for days -- so I'm trying to cut down the downtime. |
| 09:49.24 | mike__ | peterS: as soon as i get alsa installed, i am going to turn up the volume all the way and cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp |
| 09:49.28 | spdf | cplx, man tar |
| 09:49.32 | grimalkin | Thank goodness I have two sparcs. |
| 09:49.32 | _OrIoN_ | how can I close an open proxy? |
| 09:49.36 | tarzeau | qwertz: there's OmniGraffle |
| 09:49.44 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: RTFM |
| 09:49.46 | dot | tarzeau ：i am very uncareful to have delete the dir. /etc/fonts ,reinstall fontconfig will help me ? |
| 09:49.49 | peterS | mike__: don't use /dev/random where /dev/urandom will do |
| 09:49.57 | tarzeau | dot: i don't think so |
| 09:50.02 | mike__ | peterS: okay hehe. |
| 09:50.06 | peterS | mike__: also, if you do it from cron, you'll have to kill it using 'kill' rather than ctrl-c or whatever, so it'll take awhile |
| 09:50.11 | dot | tarzeau: what can i do ? |
| 09:50.17 | tarzeau | dot: well maybe, it doesn't look that important |
| 09:50.21 | jamsi | nm |
| 09:50.25 | _OrIoN_ | what do u mean RTFM ? |
| 09:50.25 | tarzeau | dot: restore it from a backup or another machine |
| 09:50.28 | tarzeau | !RTFM |
| 09:50.28 | dpkg | rtfm is, like, Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 09:50.37 | _OrIoN_ | lol |
| 09:50.44 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: 11:49 < dpkg> somebody said harden-doc was http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 09:50.44 | _OrIoN_ | i did |
| 09:50.49 | dot | tarzeau: where is the backup files ? |
| 09:50.51 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: RTFM AGAIN |
| 09:50.55 | _OrIoN_ | but I couldnt find direct answer |
| 09:50.59 | tarzeau | dot: where you put them ... |
| 09:51.04 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: READ IT AGAIN! |
| 09:51.04 | dot | no one runs debian nearby tarzeau |
| 09:51.12 | tarzeau | dot: you want mine? |
| 09:51.26 | dot | tarzeau: i didn't backup the files :( |
| 09:51.40 | tarzeau | heh your problem |
| 09:51.42 | _OrIoN_ | i did alot of googling too |
| 09:51.48 | _OrIoN_ | any hint ? |
| 09:51.55 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: netstat -plunt or lsof -i |
| 09:52.13 | dot | tarzeau: yes ,if you can send it to me any way |
| 09:52.14 | _OrIoN_ | any utility i can install to scan for open proxies, and give me oppurtunity to close them ? |
| 09:52.27 | si|vercat | tarzeau: I don't get the ide-scsi part :p |
| 09:53.40 | qwertz | tarzeau, thanks but I'd like to have a linux tool |
| 09:53.41 | emptied | _OrIoN_, you can nmap yourself using "nmap -sTU -p 1-65535 -T Insane your.int.net.ip" |
| 09:53.42 | dot | tarzeau: what do you have in /etc/fonts/conf.d |
| 09:53.58 | tarzeau | dot: ftp? can you install an ftp server? |
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| 09:54.05 | tarzeau | si|vercat: skip it |
| 09:54.10 | emptied | _OrIoN_, or netstat will work but if you are rootkitted netstat may be compromised |
| 09:54.12 | tarzeau | qwertz: it doesn't exist |
| 09:54.15 | cplx | how can I make a file into a .zip or .rar on a linux machine? |
| 09:54.25 | tarzeau | cplx: you can't |
| 09:54.29 | spdf | cplx, instal zip or rar.. |
| 09:54.29 | tarzeau | cplx: make a tar.gz |
| 09:54.42 | tarzeau | spdf: we're trying to get rid of zip and rar |
| 09:54.57 | cplx | I mean so windows users can download.. |
| 09:54.58 | cplx | and use it |
| 09:54.58 | spdf | tarzeau, Ahh.. Must have missed the memo.. |
| 09:55.00 | cplx | directly |
| 09:55.06 | tarzeau | cplx: windows users can download tar.gz too |
| 09:55.07 | _OrIoN_ | hmmm |
| 09:55.18 | cplx | and open with what? |
| 09:55.25 | tarzeau | cplx: winzip |
| 09:55.33 | spdf | cplx, 7-zip is a free alternative.. |
| 09:55.45 | cplx | tarzeau: just rename blah.tar.gz to tar.zip ? |
| 09:55.49 | tarzeau | cplx: NO |
| 09:55.57 | tarzeau | cplx: just leave it tar.gz, they can just open it |
| 09:55.59 | liable | erm, isnt zip in the repositories? |
| 09:56.01 | wallo | has anyone a hint, how to get wpa_supplicant to work with the airo driver? |
| 09:56.06 | tarzeau | liable: it's slow |
| 09:56.14 | liable | but works? |
| 09:56.17 | cplx | tarzeau: can you tell me quickkly how to tar a simple file |
| 09:56.18 | cplx | 1 file* |
| 09:56.19 | tarzeau | liable: yes |
| 09:56.29 | tarzeau | cplx: tar czvf the.tar.gz thefile |
| 09:56.32 | caphuso | cplx: you don't tar one file |
| 09:56.34 | dot | tarzeau : that fontconfig has relations to many apps ,i can't remove it |
| 09:56.34 | robin_sz | cplx: 1 file? |
| 09:56.37 | cplx | yers |
| 09:56.39 | cplx | its large |
| 09:56.52 | robin_sz | cplx: wtf are you tar;ing a single file ... |
| 09:56.54 | spdf | cplx, Then gzip or bzip2 it |
| 09:57.03 | robin_sz | so waht, taring it will be the same size |
| 09:57.04 | si|vercat | tarzeau: says cannot open /dev/pg1 |
| 09:57.06 | robin_sz | gzip it |
| 09:57.06 | tarzeau | spdf: bzip2 isn't easy in windows |
| 09:57.08 | cplx | will gzip or bzip work on windows? |
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| 09:57.13 | cplx | so |
| 09:57.18 | cplx | how would I gzip a single file? |
| 09:57.21 | _OrIoN_ | ok so I have something like : tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:something_here 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 09:57.24 | tarzeau | si|vercat: did you move from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:57.25 | robin_sz | well for doze, |
| 09:57.25 | _OrIoN_ | what does this mean |
| 09:57.26 | robin_sz | zip it |
| 09:57.26 | mosty | cplx, gzip file |
| 09:57.30 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: man netstat |
| 09:57.37 | _OrIoN_ | this means it is an open port i should close, no? |
| 09:57.40 | emptied | robin_sz, the z in tar gzips |
| 09:57.41 | _OrIoN_ | ok |
| 09:57.54 | robin_sz | cplx: tar'ing packs them .. it does not compress them unless you ask it to |
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| 09:58.11 | _OrIoN_ | ok dont explain |
| 09:58.15 | _OrIoN_ | i will read the manual |
| 09:58.22 | liable | _OrIoN_: lets start by loosing the _ at the start of your nick. Please. |
| 09:58.28 | si|vercat | tarzeau: yes |
| 09:58.29 | _OrIoN_ | but does netstat close the open port |
| 09:58.30 | cplx | robin_sz: ok So I want to gzip a single file.. so I just type gzip blah.dem |
| 09:58.31 | cplx | or whatever? |
| 09:58.35 | _OrIoN_ | or it only give information |
| 09:58.38 | tarzeau | cplx: look at p7zip |
| 09:58.39 | robin_sz | cplx: yes |
| 09:58.52 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: only information |
| 09:59.02 | _OrIoN_ | then thereis no use |
| 09:59.03 | robin_sz | liable: losing, not loosing |
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| 09:59.09 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: yes there is |
| 09:59.11 | _OrIoN_ | i understand i know the specified port |
| 09:59.13 | liable | whatever |
| 09:59.18 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: check /etc/services then |
| 09:59.18 | _OrIoN_ | now how can I close it |
| 09:59.22 | _OrIoN_ | netstat helped |
| 09:59.26 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: and go read !HARDEN-DOC |
| 09:59.28 | tarzeau | !HARDEN-DOC |
| 09:59.29 | dpkg | well, harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 09:59.35 | tarzeau | _OrIoN_: READ IT DAMN! READ READ READ |
| 09:59.47 | liable | _OrIoN_: wtf is something-here anyway? |
| 09:59.48 | _OrIoN_ | ooooooooook |
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| 09:59.59 | _OrIoN_ | lol it is the port |
| 10:00.11 | liable | well whats the fucking port |
| 10:00.13 | _OrIoN_ | i didnt want to put it online |
| 10:00.25 | liable | googlr the port to start with |
| 10:00.28 | robin_sz | why not? |
| 10:00.31 | liable | ffs |
| 10:00.32 | emptied | _OrIoN_, do you expect to be spoonfed? Do you expect good answers with poor information |
| 10:00.49 | _OrIoN_ | not poor |
| 10:01.00 | _OrIoN_ | it is a prt that is open |
| 10:01.03 | liable | _OrIoN_: PLEASE remove the _ at the start of your nick. |
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| 10:01.17 | robin_sz | if we wanted to know the port, we'd just nmap it .. |
| 10:01.21 | si|vercat | tarzeau: nautilus worked for me for now.. |
| 10:01.23 | _OrIoN_ | all what is needed.. the untility that lose"the desired port |
| 10:01.38 | _OrIoN_ | liable ok |
| 10:01.46 | liable | thankyou |
| 10:01.53 | emptied | _OrIoN_, you are not getting it, you don't need to close the port you need to fix the damn problem |
| 10:01.55 | OrIoN | it is owned by someone else :( |
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| 10:02.12 | OrIoN | emptied ok got u |
| 10:02.13 | liable | OrIoN: its on localhost anyway. what is the port no? |
| 10:02.29 | OrIoN | 3306 |
| 10:02.40 | spdf | Mysql default port... |
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| 10:02.59 | OrIoN | yeah I have mysql opened |
| 10:03.01 | OrIoN | running.. |
| 10:03.06 | liable | sheesh |
| 10:03.08 | emptied | Oh goody. OrIoN thats your problem |
| 10:03.24 | emptied | OrIoN, I don't suppose you set a root PW on it like apt told you to? |
| 10:03.27 | robin_sz | did you secure your mysql install ?? |
| 10:03.31 | OrIoN | I had apache too running but took it off |
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| 10:03.51 | OrIoN | I did not |
| 10:03.56 | robin_sz | hah :) |
| 10:03.57 | emptied | ..... |
| 10:04.02 | robin_sz | well do that first |
| 10:04.04 | newbie_ | hello, any warries with lists.debian.org, I haven't receive any mail for a day or so ? |
| 10:04.05 | sametc | hello sarge is package not pekwm :((( |
| 10:04.13 | OrIoN | dont yell at me, I am new to this *blushing* |
| 10:04.34 | resiak | !happy sunday |
| 10:04.37 | robin_sz | something like mysql-make-secure or soem such .. I forgewt |
| 10:04.43 | liable | OrIoN: stop mysql then alter the config. |
| 10:04.43 | resiak | paulswm: ^^ :( |
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| 10:04.50 | spdf | mysql_secure_installation |
| 10:04.54 | sametc | PEKWM ;(( |
| 10:05.05 | emptied | OrIoN, So you set up a network-based server, did not set the "root" pasword on it, it runs on the port your ISP yelled at you about, and you STILL didn't catch the clue-by-four? |
| 10:05.06 | paulswm | resiak: HAH! |
| 10:05.31 | OrIoN | well |
| 10:05.41 | robin_sz | emptied: to be fair, he came here for help to do that |
| 10:05.45 | OrIoN | right I didnt set the root pass |
| 10:06.14 | OrIoN | its ok |
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| 10:06.22 | OrIoN | i use linux to learn |
| 10:06.27 | spdf | OrIoN, Have you run mysql_secure_installation yet? |
| 10:06.33 | OrIoN | and I learn by having problems |
| 10:06.41 | emptied | robin_sz, I just don't understand the mentality |
| 10:06.53 | OrIoN | I cant do this on windows.. everything there is setup already |
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| 10:07.10 | robin_sz | emptied: well, here is my take on it: the only stupid question is the one that was never asked |
| 10:07.11 | OrIoN | spdf no, I will go now |
| 10:07.31 | robin_sz | OrIoN: look in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 10:07.40 | OrIoN | anyway this is my FIRST week on linux |
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| 10:08.13 | OrIoN | ok thanx everyone, I have a clue now.. |
| 10:08.13 | emptied | robin_sz, my take is "Should I do what it tells me I must do to not get raped on the internet" is the question that was never asked |
| 10:08.17 | robin_sz | OrIoN: no problem, but ... as a rule, do not connect your first linux box to the 'net straight away :) |
| 10:08.37 | OrIoN | it doesnt matter |
| 10:08.54 | OrIoN | i have no imprtant stuff on my box and I wana have problems to LEARN |
| 10:09.00 | g-henna | hi |
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| 10:09.01 | emptied | OrIoN, Sorry for being a bit harsh but it's a good lesson to learn- reap what apt tells you for it is wise |
| 10:09.08 | robin_sz | emptied: yeah, but its a burnable box, its not critical .. yet |
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| 10:09.20 | OrIoN | emptied ok, thanx for te advice |
| 10:09.28 | emptied | OrIoN, you might feel differently when the FBI knocks on your door because you are running a kiddie porn server |
| 10:09.40 | g-henna | where can i get the sample-server and sample-client programs that usually belong to cyrus sasl from? |
| 10:09.43 | dot | emptied what do you have in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ |
| 10:09.45 | liable | OrIoN: who actually told you what about having an open proxy? |
| 10:10.10 | OrIoN | liable the irc.. opm.blitz |
| 10:10.25 | robin_sz | seems ... unlikely |
| 10:10.25 | jamsi | I recently installed exim4.50 but the av_scanner and spamd_address don't work when I try to start exim4. Im guessing it wasn't enabled when it was compiled. (I used apt-get), anyone know how to fix? |
| 10:10.46 | OrIoN | ok bye now.. gona do what i was advised to :) |
| 10:10.53 | robin_sz | heh |
| 10:11.03 | robin_sz | ccome back when you have more questions |
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| 10:11.51 | g-henna | and where is actually the cyrus-sasl package?? |
| 10:11.55 | liable | jeez, something was a little confused there. |
| 10:12.03 | robin_sz | yeah |
| 10:12.54 | emptied | dot, why *my* fonts.d? |
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| 10:17.06 | liable | jamsi: whats the actuall problem, you need to install sa too start with. |
| 10:17.38 | liable | jamsi: and an av. |
| 10:17.59 | jamsi | Yeah its okay, I needed the heavey package |
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| 10:18.03 | jamsi | not exim4-light |
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| 10:26.48 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 10:27.58 | robin_sz | meep? |
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| 10:30.22 | dv_ | hello |
| 10:30.43 | Guf | Hi ! trying to getting fglrx working again.. but a problem... Link /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/build does not exist |
| 10:30.54 | dv_ | i have several problems with AM_PATH_GTK |
| 10:31.08 | dv_ | "aclocal: configure.in: 0: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library" |
| 10:31.28 | dv_ | Guf, you have the kernel sources installed? |
| 10:31.33 | dv_ | and compiled the kernel? |
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| 10:31.56 | wols | nout sources. headers |
| 10:32.11 | Guf | dv_, yes. but it seems not to get in the place I got kernel-source 2.6.11 not k7 |
| 10:32.26 | dv_ | and what is in /lib/ ? |
| 10:32.43 | Guf | so I need the headers to... ? |
| 10:33.01 | dv_ | where are the modules? |
| 10:33.04 | dv_ | /lib/.... ? |
| 10:33.21 | simonrvn | modules |
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| 10:33.48 | dv_ | err, i mean /lib/modules/... ? |
| 10:33.49 | Guf | dv_, in usr/src/ |
| 10:33.56 | Guf | sorry |
| 10:33.58 | wols | Guf: headers to your kernel |
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| 10:34.02 | dv_ | hows the dir called where your modules are Guf? |
| 10:35.12 | Guf | wols, I total missed the headers !! sorry for disturb !! |
| 10:35.14 | Guf | =) |
| 10:35.51 | dv_ | now, anyone knows that weird GTK/autoconf error? |
| 10:35.53 | toresbe | Hmm, how do I get getty to disable hardware flow control (and ignore DCD)? I've RTFM'ed.... |
| 10:36.07 | Guf | damn.. its hard work to get a ati 9600 xt card work correctly on debian =) |
| 10:36.23 | wols | Guf: complain to ati and their shitty drivers |
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| 10:36.37 | Guf | wols, its so true ! |
| 10:36.59 | dv_ | they do work fine here, though... |
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| 10:38.36 | Guf | when I download the headers, it should probly get in the /usr/src/modules... |
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| 10:39.02 | dv_ | well, I have the headers in /usr/src/kernel-headers |
| 10:39.20 | Guf | but not me.... . dont say I need to reboot.. |
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| 10:39.47 | Guf | hm... fixing it.. brb |
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| 10:40.31 | dv_ | but you need libc6-dev for compiling the ati driver |
| 10:40.52 | Guf | soo.. now I comp |
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| 10:42.51 | liable | Guf: /lib/modules/blah/build needs to point to the headers, or source. |
| 10:43.21 | Guf | liable I did getting it working =) tnx =) |
| 10:43.44 | trueno | emptied: What can then have been cause the higher amount of time it takes to start the window manager (since you get the "X" cursor till you get the final login screen)? |
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| 10:46.18 | mike__ | just a quick question, in grub the default line.. if it is 0, what will be selected.. the first one, or nothing at all? |
| 10:46.20 | Guf | sorry must reboot.. to be contined.. |
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| 10:47.04 | liable | mike__: first drive/partition, depending |
| 10:47.25 | mike__ | liable: in that list, or hardware wise? :| |
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| 10:47.42 | liable | mike__: (0,0) is hda partition 1 |
| 10:47.48 | mike__ | i know |
| 10:47.57 | liable | mike__: 0 for grub is 1 |
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| 10:48.07 | mike__ | okay, i'll try that |
| 10:48.27 | mike__ | so (hd0,2) is /dev/hda3 ?? |
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| 10:48.53 | liable | mike__: yesa |
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| 10:49.10 | liable | yes even |
| 10:49.29 | Guf | YES ! im back in ! and the card working perfect !! |
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| 10:51.29 | mxn | To get an LCD working (with xorg), is the configuration the same as for a CRT (but with correct v/h frequency ranges)? |
| 10:51.47 | liable | mxn: you running debian? |
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| 10:51.56 | mxn | Indeed. |
| 10:51.56 | Guf | a small answer i need.. mx510 mouse to run it 800dpi . its is to set reselution "800" i XF86free ? |
| 10:52.07 | tcsetattr | stupid bug, you go squish now! |
| 10:52.17 | Guf | spelling like some strange today |
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| 10:52.30 | argaldo | gimp fails to load the correct libfontconfig version althought it is installed, is this a known bug in debian? |
| 10:52.37 | portahex | worksforme |
| 10:52.43 | portahex | argaldo, Unstable? |
| 10:52.49 | argaldo | etch, testing |
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| 10:52.57 | argaldo | but faild when sarge |
| 10:53.04 | portahex | Guf, google for "logitech_applet" |
| 10:53.20 | argaldo | i can't find a solution in google, mail lists, etc... |
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| 10:53.45 | Guf | portahex, I did failed to installed. Im not soo good =) |
| 10:53.57 | tcsetattr | the good news I cured Bug#298582. The bad news: the sun is coming up and I haven't slept |
| 10:54.14 | portahex | Guf, you just make it, it's pretty trivial |
| 10:54.37 | Guf | portahex, =) I gone give it a try again =) |
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| 10:55.31 | QaDeS | mahlzeit zusammen |
| 10:55.46 | liable | !de |
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| 10:55.46 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 10:56.06 | QaDeS | ummm hi lads *blush* |
| 10:56.07 | Setog3 | hi , is possible to "agregate" multiple adsl connection to do low balancing, and to get better ping § (using two connection fo the same game for example) |
| 10:56.18 | wols | Setog3: no |
| 10:56.20 | liable | hehe |
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| 10:56.31 | dv_ | dpkg, theo de raadt-style unfriendly? :) |
| 10:56.39 | wols | liable: #debian calling other channels unfriendly is... interesting |
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| 10:56.49 | liable | wols: indeed |
| 10:56.59 | liable | wols: been there though? |
| 10:57.01 | mxn | liable: Yes, I'm running Debian. I just don't want to kill the display. |
| 10:57.06 | Setog3 | oh wols , only low balancing so |
| 10:57.15 | wols | no. while I am german, I rarely bother with special language channels for something |
| 10:57.37 | QaDeS | same here |
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| 10:57.42 | sideone | hello all. |
| 10:57.46 | wols | Setog3: what is "low balancing"? |
| 10:57.58 | sideone | what pkg do i need for gd support for apache2 ? |
| 10:57.59 | wols | I know what load balancing is, but never heard of low balancing |
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| 10:58.16 | Setog3 | arf ! load balancing |
| 10:58.37 | liable | mxn: I would imagine (ie, I *dont_know*) if your refresh rates are right, then you should be good to go. |
| 10:58.43 | g-henna | QaDeS: instead trying to speak german in all channels, hm? *grin* |
| 10:58.44 | Setog3 | :D |
| 10:58.46 | mxn | liable: OK, thanks. |
| 10:59.15 | liable | mxn: run xfree too? |
| 10:59.27 | QaDeS | g-henna, you're so unfriendly :o> |
| 10:59.47 | mxn | liable: I'm pretty sure I just run xorg. (Installation was an accident, but it works.) |
| 10:59.50 | QaDeS | is there a lazy-people way to switch from suse to debian? |
| 11:00.01 | sideone | anyone? |
| 11:00.06 | QaDeS | i mean a way involving the least work, yanno ;) |
| 11:00.11 | wols | !debtakeover |
| 11:00.11 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 11:00.19 | g-henna | QaDeS: ubunutu |
| 11:00.33 | wols | QaDeS: but you might be better of just reinstalling the OS and this time choosing the right onw (debian) |
| 11:00.35 | liable | mxn: if you installed xorg by accident, then you are *not* running debian. |
| 11:00.56 | PolarWolf | liable: just add some ubuntu sources to sources.list |
| 11:01.04 | PolarWolf | liable: No biggie. |
| 11:01.07 | liable | bah |
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| 11:01.22 | liable | I dont want it untill it comes from *debian* |
| 11:01.36 | mxn | liable: I am running sid. I added an apt source to fetch some DRM binaries. Somehow, they forced a replacement of the xserver. |
| 11:01.36 | PolarWolf | liable: Slipstreaming x.org from ubuntu into debian isn't really that involved |
| 11:01.48 | sideone | everytime i install a pkg that requires apache,it tries to use apache 1, even though apache2 is installed from the pkgs, is there a way to tell apt to look for apache2, not 1 ? |
| 11:02.04 | liable | mxn: well, ok, good luck. |
| 11:02.13 | wols | sideone: just install packages for apache2 instead of apache1. problem solved |
| 11:02.19 | QaDeS | hmmm wols, is this thing reliable or do i have to worry about my p0rn? *g* |
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| 11:02.24 | Guf | portahex, headers not found.. but i did just install them.. did you have the same problem ? |
| 11:02.25 | sideone | wols: how do i specify? |
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| 11:02.33 | liable | PolarWolf: fine, you do that, and good luck to you too, when it breaks down the road. |
| 11:02.42 | sideone | ie, im installing php4-gd, and it wants to install apache1 |
| 11:02.53 | sideone | when i tried to install nagios, same thing. |
| 11:02.57 | PolarWolf | sideone: Hmm, apache2 should provide apache, so if a package specifically requests for apache1 it *is* for apache1 or a bug |
| 11:03.04 | portahex | Guf, no, i don't think so. can't remember. my 518 has a hardware DPI control |
| 11:03.13 | PolarWolf | liable: I'll fix it by the time that happens :P |
| 11:03.15 | Guf | portahex, oki |
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| 11:03.30 | sideone | PolarWolf: seems like every pkg (http related) looks to 1 |
| 11:03.42 | _joey | http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html an article |
| 11:03.49 | _joey | By a notorious wanker |
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| 11:04.03 | deepz | can anybody tell me the command |
| 11:04.06 | liable | PolarWolf: good, if you have the nous, then all good :) |
| 11:04.07 | dv_ | ah, theo again. |
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| 11:04.15 | PolarWolf | Actually, apache provides httpd, while apache2 does not |
| 11:04.17 | TBBle | They're all asking for "apache", and apache1 is alphabetically lower than apache2. Install apache2 _at the same time_ to get it. |
| 11:04.26 | PolarWolf | I'd say something needs fixing |
| 11:04.29 | wols | QaDeS: if you need a distro specially customized for porn, I'd suggest http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 11:04.36 | sideone | PolarWolf: well default is apache bin for 1 in deb. |
| 11:04.37 | deepz | if i have to find the size of all the packages installed in total in debian sarge |
| 11:04.44 | sideone | not httpd like i was expecting |
| 11:04.50 | Bauer1 | hi ppl.. before I ask my qeustion, I must know something.. is this chan really believe in the idea of free content? |
| 11:05.08 | PolarWolf | liable: It actually works well, though it's a bitch to find out what needs to come from ubuntu and what should be regular debian. But I think I have it sorted now |
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| 11:05.21 | dv_ | Bauer1, you are serious? :) |
| 11:05.22 | liable | PolarWolf: but please dont suggest other people do it. |
| 11:05.27 | dv_ | thats debian! |
| 11:05.31 | PolarWolf | liable: Other people are doing it :P |
| 11:05.37 | deepz | command to find the size of all the packages installed in total in debian sarge |
| 11:05.54 | Bauer1 | dv_ yes I am.. very |
| 11:05.56 | wols | PolarWolf: "other people" buy Britney Spears CDs. so? |
| 11:06.08 | deepz | command to find the size of all the packages installed in total in debian sarge |
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| 11:06.12 | PolarWolf | liable: If people want to use x.org I'd prefer to suggest using ubuntu altogether than try experimental (x.org hasn't arrived in sid yet, has it?) |
| 11:06.13 | wols | deepz: dpkg -l |wc -l |
| 11:06.17 | dv_ | Bauer1, why are you asking? |
| 11:06.27 | deepz | just let me check |
| 11:06.33 | Guerin | wols: eh? |
| 11:06.38 | QaDeS | lol |
| 11:06.48 | Bauer1 | because those who just pretend to believe in free programs, wont like my question :P |
| 11:06.49 | liable | PolarWolf: no, I meant, dont *tell* other people to do it, we get enough problems here that end up in tears because they dont tell us what they have done. |
| 11:06.54 | QaDeS | wols, how can i unpack a .deb file on suse? |
| 11:06.55 | Guerin | !listvals wooledge |
| 11:06.57 | liable | PolarWolf: agreed |
| 11:06.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wooledge' by value (12): sid faq ;; flying goku ;; config-2.4.18-bf2.4 ;; teknap vbr patch ;; make tutorial ;; crypto howto ;; safecat ;; mail tutorial ;; greycat ;; CMD: alicesmite (.*?) ;; ds ;; vorbis 1.1. |
| 11:06.58 | simonrvn | PolarWolf: afaik, no, not yet |
| 11:06.59 | Bauer1 | at least its like that in #linux on efnet lol |
| 11:07.01 | Guerin | !ds |
| 11:07.02 | dpkg | i heard ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 11:07.02 | wols | QaDeS: man alien |
| 11:07.07 | PolarWolf | wols: Hey, if people want to have a headache, I'm not going to stop them. All I can do is say "bad idea" and try to limit damage when they want to go through with it anyway |
| 11:07.12 | QaDeS | ah ok :) tx |
| 11:07.21 | dv_ | Bauer1, then just ask |
| 11:07.22 | deepz | wols:its giving 188 what is it 188 MB |
| 11:07.29 | Bauer1 | ok |
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| 11:07.41 | Bauer1 | any1 here used maybe the cracked Cedega for linux? |
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| 11:07.45 | Bauer1 | Transgaming.Cedega.v4.3.2-1.for.LiNUX-LAXiTY |
| 11:07.46 | wols | deepz: 188 installed packages |
| 11:07.47 | Guerin | PolarWolf: don't give out bad information unless you're prepared to help them exclusively. |
| 11:07.55 | PolarWolf | liable: When done right, it's fairly harmless. All the docs you find on the web about using ubuntu for x.org are IMO wrong |
| 11:07.57 | liable | !aolify Bauer1 |
| 11:07.58 | Guerin | Bauer1: this is not a warez channel. |
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| 11:08.14 | deepz | wols: i need to know the toal installed size of these 188 packages |
| 11:08.22 | PolarWolf | Guerin: Which parts of the information I give is bad? |
| 11:08.22 | ColonelKernel | Bauer1, why not discuss selling crack rocks too |
| 11:08.33 | simonrvn | Bauer1: don't do that |
| 11:08.33 | Bauer1 | see why I asked? I need linux support chan which believe in free progs |
| 11:08.36 | Bauer1 | not pretend to |
| 11:08.43 | liable | PolarWolf: yes, yes. |
| 11:08.44 | gba | QaDes: you don`t need alien. You need ar |
| 11:08.44 | simonrvn | Bauer1: that isn't free |
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| 11:08.49 | cmihai | Bauer1: yes. And Cedega isn't free. |
| 11:08.51 | cmihai | End of story. |
| 11:08.52 | cahoot | Bauer1: hypocrite |
| 11:08.53 | gba | .deb packages are ar archives |
| 11:08.54 | cmihai | Go use wine. |
| 11:08.56 | ColonelKernel | Bauer1, youre talking about stealing from people |
| 11:08.56 | Bauer1 | anyway I dont ask hwere to get it or so.. just need tech support on running the cracked version :) |
| 11:08.57 | Bauer1 | thats all |
| 11:08.59 | simonrvn | asswipe.... |
| 11:09.06 | wols | Bauer1: Cedega is certainly not free, so who cares? and no we don't see your point at all |
| 11:09.07 | simonrvn | Bauer1: go away |
| 11:09.11 | gba | ar -x foo.deb |
| 11:09.15 | PolarWolf | Maybe I should put "my" method of using ubuntu's x.org on the 'net as howto |
| 11:09.17 | simonrvn | @ops Bauer1 is warezing |
| 11:09.18 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Bauer1 is warezing |
| 11:09.20 | deepz | wols: i need to know the toal installed size of these 188 packages |
| 11:09.25 | trueno | Has anyone used qcad seriously? |
| 11:09.35 | wols | deepz: du |
| 11:09.39 | Bauer1 | how can it be stealing lol? I dont ahve money to buy it anyway, so from whom am I stealing by using cracked one? |
| 11:09.43 | wols | deepz: or rather, df |
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| 11:09.49 | deepz | ok |
| 11:09.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 11:09.52 | ColonelKernel | OH NO |
| 11:09.58 | liable | Bauer1: leave before you are banned or stfu |
| 11:10.07 | cmihai | Too late :) |
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| 11:10.16 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 11:10.16 | dgtlmoon | greets |
| 11:10.28 | liable | idiot |
| 11:10.39 | dgtlmoon | ive got a patch for some code in the kdebase package, how do i apply that patch and recompile the package? doi nee something like apt-build ? |
| 11:10.41 | liable | dgtlmoon: not you :) |
| 11:10.55 | ColonelKernel | if you report him into his isp he'll be screwed |
| 11:11.02 | liable | !wayc dgtlmoon |
| 11:11.03 | dpkg | dgtlmoon: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 11:11.23 | wols | ColonelKernel: as if ISPs cared |
| 11:11.29 | dv_ | hm |
| 11:11.29 | simonrvn | exactly |
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| 11:11.40 | ColonelKernel | wols, some do, im pretty sure bezeq would |
| 11:11.42 | dv_ | i actually expected Bauer1 to start ranting about how right theo was and such |
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| 11:11.55 | simonrvn | no they wouldn't i see spam from them all the time |
| 11:11.59 | dv_ | not that he would start asking for warezmanualz :) |
| 11:12.02 | cahoot | dgtlmoon: http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr/?page=debcustomize - if you really want to and do it right |
| 11:12.24 | portahex | i mailed an american isp about one of their customers hosting a phishing scam, that was ignored |
| 11:12.32 | portahex | so i mailed them again & called them cocks |
| 11:12.35 | ColonelKernel | bezeq is Israeli |
| 11:12.38 | simonrvn | :) |
| 11:12.40 | dgtlmoon | cahoot: cool |
| 11:12.44 | technos_ | ColonelKernel: Having worked for several ISPS, if you're not the copyright holder, they could give a crap mostly. Sometimes, even when you're the copyright holder, they could give a shit because you didn't ask them right. |
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| 11:12.49 | simonrvn | portahex: ^^ |
| 11:13.00 | dgtlmoon | cahoot: yeh ive just modded konqueror and want to have my own modded konqueror package |
| 11:13.09 | bwlang | portahex: i'm sure that got their attention |
| 11:13.18 | portahex | bwlang, i'm sure it didn't, but it made me feel better |
| 11:13.20 | ColonelKernel | ive worked for a few isps too, and trading illegal software is a violation of the AUP of each one |
| 11:13.24 | TBBle | Does phising involve copyright? I thought it was passing-off... |
| 11:13.35 | g-henna | ok, i just saw that i have to compile the SASL sample-server and sample-client programs myself from /usr/share/doc/libsasl7/sample-(client|server).c.gz |
| 11:13.43 | simonrvn | google phishing |
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| 11:13.50 | karim | is it a problem to put a hard drive upside down ? |
| 11:13.53 | portahex | isps couldn't care less about people abusing their service |
| 11:13.56 | g-henna | root @ ~/software/sources/sasl # gcc -I /usr/include/sasl sample-server.c sample-server.c:44:20: config.h: file or directory not found |
| 11:13.57 | portahex | unless said abuse costs them money |
| 11:14.00 | Guerin | PolarWolf: x.org ubuntu->debian |
| 11:14.04 | ColonelKernel | karim, no |
| 11:14.04 | simonrvn | portahex: exactly |
| 11:14.05 | liable | or go to ebay ;) |
| 11:14.06 | bwlang | karim: usually no |
| 11:14.07 | technos_ | ColonelKernel: Sure, it's a violation of the AUP.. But if you act on every AUP violation, expecially at a broadband ISP, you have no customers left. They all break it at some point. |
| 11:14.10 | portahex | being the home for credit card fraud costs nothing, so they dont' act |
| 11:14.19 | karim | bwlang, usually ? |
| 11:14.21 | TBBle | As an ISP, it's hard to prove someone's trading illegal software without actually breaking the law by investigating their computer or data transmissions. |
| 11:14.27 | simonrvn | boycott ebay. boycott paypal. they're racists and sexists |
| 11:14.36 | bwlang | karim: unless you have an old drive or some very strange setup |
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| 11:14.55 | g-henna | what config.h is meant? i have quite a lot of config.h files on my machine |
| 11:14.56 | TBBle | And acting without proof leaves you open to contract violation. |
| 11:15.13 | ColonelKernel | technos_, gee sounds kinda like US civil law - everythings illegal so you can be taken into custody at any time |
| 11:15.26 | liable | simonrvn: eh? racist and sexist? excuse me if it went over my head. :) |
| 11:15.27 | simonrvn | g-henna: usually the one in the source tree you're building in. occasionally generated |
| 11:15.52 | karim | bwlang, how old ? |
| 11:15.55 | karim | 5 years ? |
| 11:15.57 | g-henna | simonrvn: ther is no source tree, there are just these two .c.gz files in the above directory... |
| 11:15.57 | simonrvn | liable: i won't get into it, since you could do a bit of research, and see for yourself |
| 11:16.05 | bwlang | karim: older |
| 11:16.05 | bisquit | Ahem. I need help configuring my NIC drivers... mainly the speed/duplex settings. Because the settings they autoprobe never seem to work. I tried with 3Com first (3c59x), but it gets autoloaded on bootup.. |
| 11:16.07 | liable | ok |
| 11:16.10 | karim | ok |
| 11:16.21 | bisquit | ..and then I can't unload it, to load it again (with modconf) to set any parameters. |
| 11:16.26 | simonrvn | g-henna: probably the sasl source config.h. top of the tree |
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| 11:16.41 | petemc | bisquit: try ethtool or mii-tool |
| 11:16.43 | Pugfan | bisquit: rmmod ? |
| 11:16.47 | ColonelKernel | bisquit, cant you set some options for the module when it autoloads? |
| 11:16.52 | bisquit | And ethtools doesn't even want to try changing anything with that. So then I tried with RealTek... with these cards the ethtools says it changes things, but when I check - nothing changes. ;) |
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| 11:17.02 | liable | amorphix: ffs you should know better |
| 11:17.07 | bisquit | ColonelKernel, I'm not prompted for anything :P |
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| 11:17.11 | Pugfan | bisquit: /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf and update-modules |
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| 11:17.25 | simonrvn | brb |
| 11:17.26 | bisquit | Pugfan, thanks - will give it a try. |
| 11:17.35 | ColonelKernel | bisquit, it aint windoze - and are you plugged right into your cable modem or something? |
| 11:18.06 | bisquit | ColonelKernel, no it isn't... ;) ..and yes I am. |
| 11:18.18 | deepz | exit |
| 11:18.22 | ColonelKernel | bisquit, ok its doing that because your cable modem port is 10bit |
| 11:18.34 | ColonelKernel | sorry mbit |
| 11:18.36 | QaDeS | hmmm get a funny error when using alien on debootstrap :o/ |
| 11:18.53 | Guerin | QaDeS: get the source and build it |
| 11:19.02 | ColonelKernel | bisquit, its not a malfunction its autodetecting the settings it needs - its supposed to be using 10 |
| 11:19.10 | QaDeS | *goes getting the source* |
| 11:19.30 | wols | QaDeS: from what I understand he's running SuSE |
| 11:19.58 | bisquit | ColonelKernel, it auto-detects 100HD. :P |
| 11:20.05 | ColonelKernel | ? |
| 11:20.12 | ColonelKernel | thats very odd |
| 11:20.13 | QaDeS | righty |
| 11:20.15 | paulskin | does this place get bussier with each new release ? or is it always packed ? |
| 11:20.18 | QaDeS | and i hate it, i may add ^^ |
| 11:20.21 | dv_ | wtf? |
| 11:20.26 | dv_ | Xauth.h is not present? |
| 11:20.30 | wols | paulskin: it's always that packed |
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| 11:20.48 | bisquit | Cisco 575 LRE, if you interested. |
| 11:20.53 | amorphix | we got an onjoin porn bot guys (maximus) |
| 11:21.18 | raf256 | hi, I was told @ #kernel that 2.6.11.12 kernel dont have any known exploits, is debian's 2.6.11-k7 based on exacly that (or higher) version? |
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| 11:21.34 | Guerin | raf256: utsl |
| 11:21.45 | Guerin | raf256: that's a stupid measure for a kernel |
| 11:21.46 | TBBle | Does it DCC porn, or just send you to web sites? |
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| 11:22.02 | paulskin | raf256, all that means is "give them time, they will exploit it soon enough" |
| 11:22.04 | amorphix | hehe just promotes a website |
| 11:22.23 | paulswm | !ops MAxiMuS onjoin port bot |
| 11:22.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MAxiMuS onjoin port bot |
| 11:22.35 | paulswm | Well, porn |
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| 11:22.41 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@asy178.as253139.sol.superonline.com] by caphuso |
| 11:22.42 | QaDeS | YAY, got it running |
| 11:22.44 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 11:22.52 | paulswm | Thanks caphuso :) |
| 11:22.54 | TBBle | raf256: You'd have to check the changelogs for the kernel source for that version of 2.6.11-k7 to see what they've pulled from the stable tree. |
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| 11:23.04 | ColonelKernel | twas more like gluteus maximus |
| 11:23.07 | TBBle | raf256: Or go through the process we discussed yesterday in some detail. |
| 11:23.18 | dv_ | people, where is Xauth development stuff located? |
| 11:23.23 | dv_ | i need Xauth.h and such |
| 11:23.28 | dv_ | cant find anything with apt-cache |
| 11:23.31 | ColonelKernel | 2.6.11 = sid kernel? |
| 11:23.35 | jethro | dv_: use apt-file |
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| 11:23.53 | dv_ | uh |
| 11:23.54 | dv_ | not present |
| 11:23.59 | jethro | dv_: you need to install it |
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| 11:24.02 | wols | dv_: go to packages.debian.org |
| 11:24.03 | dv_ | ah |
| 11:24.04 | wols | search there |
| 11:24.09 | QaDeS | now it's murmuring ybout my chroot *pouts* |
| 11:24.10 | phogg | dv_: also get dlocate |
| 11:24.19 | TBBle | Yup, 2.6.11 is the highest kernel in sid, or was this morning anyway. |
| 11:24.33 | Gnea | hrm |
| 11:24.33 | raf256 | ColonelKernel: 2.6.11 = ... sith kernel! \o/ |
| 11:24.48 | amorphix | how do my wm with startx? |
| 11:24.50 | Gnea | retarded. |
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| 11:25.04 | Gnea | oh wait, nevermind |
| 11:25.04 | amorphix | how do I start my wm with startx? |
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| 11:25.14 | raf256 | they should name the experimental as "Sith" ;) |
| 11:25.23 | Gnea | amorphix: echo "exec wm" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 11:25.25 | jethro | phogg: dlocate would work for installed packages only. |
| 11:25.32 | joel | amorphix: echo "exec yourwm" > ~/.Xsession |
| 11:25.33 | amorphix | Gnea thanks |
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| 11:25.40 | paulskin | raf256, that would open it up to waay to many " experimental is taking its revenge " |
| 11:25.42 | paulskin | kinda jokes |
| 11:25.53 | trueno | What can have caused the higher amount of time it takes to start the window manager (since you get the "X" cursor till you get the final login screen)? I am getting two wdm processes |
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| 11:25.58 | raf256 | sarge, sid, sith.... bush \o/ |
| 11:27.10 | dv_ | great |
| 11:27.16 | dv_ | debian-desktop.org down |
| 11:27.20 | simonrvn | trit could be threaded you know, hence you would see 2 PIDs for it |
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| 11:27.25 | QaDeS | hmmm do i need to chroot the debootstrap path or what? o.O |
| 11:27.27 | simonrvn | trueno: ^^^ |
| 11:28.33 | g-henna | simonrvn: just downloaded the cyrus-sasl2 source. contains two config.h files, one for win32, one for mac... |
| 11:28.53 | g-henna | now... hm? |
| 11:28.58 | simonrvn | g-henna: the linux one is probably generated from ./configure |
| 11:29.01 | QaDeS | heeelp :( |
| 11:29.16 | Gnea | !tell QaDeS about ask |
| 11:29.22 | simonrvn | QaDeS: sorry, i missed what you were doing |
| 11:29.29 | trueno | simonrvn: The weird thing is that it takes much longer for wdm to start (threading should not matter that much there, I guess) |
| 11:29.39 | simonrvn | no it shouldn't |
| 11:29.50 | QaDeS | kk, i c ;) |
| 11:29.59 | simonrvn | the dms tend to take a little while to start |
| 11:29.59 | QaDeS | so, i'm trying to run debtakeover |
| 11:30.04 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 11:30.17 | QaDeS | debootstrap won't install, so i copied the binaries to my PATH |
| 11:30.34 | simonrvn | chroot /path/to/debootstrap /bin/bash and run base-config |
| 11:30.52 | simonrvn | you'll need to be root to chroot (sudo or su -) |
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| 11:31.20 | QaDeS | now, debootstrap sais my chroot is all wrong, so my first idea was to chroot the debootstrap path, which won't work cause /bin/bash is not found although i copied it in there |
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| 11:31.41 | simonrvn | it should be if the debootstrap run finished successfully |
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| 11:32.04 | Gnea | perhaps the shared libraries are not linked properly in the chroot |
| 11:32.08 | QaDeS | it didn't |
| 11:32.26 | simonrvn | then you'll need to start over |
| 11:32.40 | QaDeS | gnarf, the libs. tx, Gnea |
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| 11:33.38 | QaDeS | still doesn't find /bin/bash o.O |
| 11:34.38 | ea1abz | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 11:34.49 | QaDeS | hmmm...i'll need /bin /lib /dev and what? |
| 11:35.12 | otroean | can somone help me with this? |
| 11:35.13 | otroean | checking for current directory... /usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.9b |
| 11:35.13 | otroean | checking cross compile... |
| 11:35.13 | otroean | checking for directory with kernel source... /usr/src/linux |
| 11:35.13 | otroean | checking for directory with kernel build... |
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| 11:35.58 | otroean | checking for current directory... /usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.9b |
| 11:36.01 | jim | otroean: put it on a web page, paste the url |
| 11:36.06 | otroean | ok |
| 11:36.34 | jim | dont' paste all 400 or whatever lines here :P |
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| 11:37.16 | otroean | just installed debian so i don't have a web prog... |
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| 11:37.38 | otroean | new on linux. just got sick of windows |
| 11:37.59 | HansZ | hmz.. how to configure a static ip instead of that dhcp thingy? |
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| 11:38.10 | lucio | hello. Do you now if clamav i broken in the Debian stable distribution? |
| 11:38.15 | drac | HansZ: /etc/network/interfaces, man 5 interfaces |
| 11:38.15 | vladkao | HansZ: man interfaces |
| 11:38.17 | rixth_ | otroean, just use a pastebin. |
| 11:38.32 | jim | hope you enjoy it... learn your shell... look over your dir structure to see what things are where (well browse around anyway) |
| 11:38.33 | lucio | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.37 | otroean | don't know what that is... |
| 11:38.39 | HansZ | drac, vladkao: thanks |
| 11:38.42 | MobyTurbo | !tell otroean about pastebin |
| 11:38.47 | amorphix | how is kde started? |
| 11:39.05 | drac | !start kde |
| 11:39.10 | jim | kde got started when someone decided to write it! |
| 11:39.11 | drac | d'oh |
| 11:39.16 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:39.40 | amorphix | ive removed my annoying gdm |
| 11:39.45 | vladkao | amorphix: you want to change your desktop with kde? |
| 11:40.12 | jim | you don't need kde or gnome... |
| 11:40.14 | amorphix | i just wanna use kde for a sec before i remove it, for old times sake |
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| 11:40.29 | lambert | hello |
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| 11:40.40 | jim | try fvwm2 and see if you like that... lightweight, functional |
| 11:40.45 | otroean | http://pastebin.ca/15004 |
| 11:40.52 | lambert | who is french here? |
| 11:40.58 | MobyTurbo | !fr |
| 11:40.58 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:41.01 | HansZ | jim: very very lightweight indeed xD |
| 11:41.01 | amorphix | jim: i have enlightenment and fluxbox and gnome still |
| 11:41.16 | nvz | lambert: what difference would it make? |
| 11:41.27 | lambert | ?? |
| 11:41.33 | jim | enlightenment is wayyy huger than fvwm :) |
| 11:41.41 | jim | or try sawfish |
| 11:41.47 | HansZ | I think that ion3 is even more lightweight then fvwm |
| 11:41.48 | dmesg | pekwm :) |
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| 11:41.57 | stjepan | hello |
| 11:42.04 | HansZ | hi stjepan |
| 11:42.09 | tzafrir | ion is, well, different |
| 11:42.13 | otroean | can someone check out this link and help me? http://pastebin.ca/15004 |
| 11:42.13 | stjepan | have you ever tried EDE? |
| 11:42.15 | nvz | lambert: if you want to speak french, go to #debian-fr. if they arent french, they know the language |
| 11:42.20 | stjepan | Equinox Desktop Environment |
| 11:42.29 | MobyTurbo | !tell otroean -about repeat |
| 11:42.37 | lambert | okok |
| 11:42.51 | lambert | I go out |
| 11:42.55 | lambert | bye |
| 11:43.06 | otroean | sorry |
| 11:43.09 | nvz | who is french is irrelevantly off-topic in any debian channel, no matter what language you speak. IMO |
| 11:43.15 | stjepan | have you tried it? |
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| 11:43.42 | vladkao | xfce 4 is getting better every day |
| 11:43.42 | spdf | otroean, Which version of debian are you using? |
| 11:44.01 | otroean | spdf : 3.1 |
| 11:44.06 | nvz | I suppose if someone doesnt speak english well, that could be simply mistated.. but I know from learning other languages, first thing you generally learn is how to ask if someone speaks your native language |
| 11:44.12 | spdf | otroean, Stable or testing? |
| 11:44.15 | otroean | stable |
| 11:44.34 | spdf | otroean, Have you tried using the alsa included? |
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| 11:45.22 | otroean | spdf : actually I don't know. started using linux yesterday... |
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| 11:45.28 | HansZ | vladkao: honestly I really don't like xfce4, everything is so large.. |
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| 11:45.33 | sadf | hi folks |
| 11:45.40 | spdf | otroean, Okay, 'apt-get install alsa-base' |
| 11:45.53 | otroean | spdf, that i have done |
| 11:45.54 | nvz | I think golem was the most lightweight wm in debian last time I checked.. though I've been up all night and its 8am.. so I might not be recalling correctly |
| 11:46.07 | spdf | otroean, Okay, alsa-config (may be alsaconfig) |
| 11:46.13 | HansZ | nvz: lol |
| 11:46.18 | cmihai | ratpoison, evilwm ...those are lightweight :) |
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| 11:46.25 | HansZ | ... icewm |
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| 11:46.36 | cmihai | FVWM2 is really kick ass though :). |
| 11:46.45 | HansZ | it's kinda ugly :P |
| 11:46.51 | vladkao | HansZ: you should tune it a bit :-) let me show you |
| 11:46.53 | initech | cmihai: fvwm2? |
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| 11:46.59 | HansZ | vladkao: sure |
| 11:47.01 | otroean | have done that to. but it cant find the card... found a link on alsa-project http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+PCI+X+%28Dell+OEM%29.&chip=SB0200&module=emu10k1x |
| 11:47.06 | nvz | the one I am thinking of only used like 2-3mb of memory |
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| 11:47.16 | nvz | slightly less than ion |
| 11:47.19 | otroean | spdf, this is the card i have... |
| 11:47.29 | drac | otroean: What kernel are you using? uname -r |
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| 11:47.42 | HansZ | nvz: ion has a always maximized thingy.. I really hate it |
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| 11:48.02 | cmihai | initech: yes, as in > 1 |
| 11:48.06 | cmihai | ex: 2.5 |
| 11:48.08 | otroean | spdf, 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 11:48.15 | HansZ | -386.. |
| 11:48.15 | nvz | HansZ: no, actually it doesnt. you are just an at-a-glance user.. you havent been under the hood |
| 11:48.21 | vladkao | well, nvz, I have 1GB RAM. do I want a *lightweight* wm? :-) |
| 11:48.26 | spdf | otroean, alsaconfig 'should' find it.. |
| 11:48.32 | initech | cmihai: you should give olvwm a whirl |
| 11:48.36 | HansZ | nvz: well i've read the whole manpage :P |
| 11:48.40 | drac | 2.6.8 has snd-emu10k1.. |
| 11:48.43 | nvz | HansZ: its a framed wm, the frames can be split, and you can even use floating frames so it behaves like any other |
| 11:48.43 | ColonelKernel | i got one gig `o ram over here - its sweet, esp in dual channel mode |
| 11:48.53 | ColonelKernel | Im using an audigy2 |
| 11:49.11 | nvz | HansZ: its not a real easy wm to grok unless you can think outside the box |
| 11:49.11 | HansZ | nvz: I know that, but it's still always maximized |
| 11:49.21 | otroean | spdf, : it says no pnp /pci compatible cards found. Proboe for ISA++ |
| 11:49.22 | ColonelKernel | with 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 11:49.23 | nvz | HansZ: nonsense :P |
| 11:49.30 | HansZ | nvz: no nonsense |
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| 11:49.39 | initech | nvz: now, now - don't go thinking outside the box again |
| 11:49.46 | nvz | HansZ: when you use a floating workspace, its just like any other wm |
| 11:49.53 | HansZ | nvz: oh |
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| 11:50.03 | HansZ | nvz: didn't knew that :-b |
| 11:50.06 | spdf | otroean, lspci -v pastebin the results |
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| 11:50.13 | nvz | HansZ: how you think you would use the gimp or something on it |
| 11:50.18 | spdf | otroean, it'll spit out a bit.. |
| 11:50.29 | HansZ | nvz: well split three frames for layer/tools/picture ? |
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| 11:51.23 | otroean | spdf, http://pastebin.ca/15005 |
| 11:51.36 | user1 | hello room |
| 11:51.40 | nvz | HansZ: it takes some getting used to. I like it because I for the most part use screen for my WM. like right now I am in sawfish, but all you see on my montior is a terminal emulator fullscreen which is ignored and skipped by sawfish, running screen |
| 11:51.51 | znh | nvz: i've changend my nick to znh |
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| 11:51.55 | resiak | !room |
| 11:51.55 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 11:52.01 | znh | !channel |
| 11:52.01 | dpkg | it has been said that channel is This refers to the group of resellers that supply most companies with software, hardware, and support. The channel is a force to be reckoned with, and it competes directly against companies like Gateway 2000 and Dell. A channel can also be a content container, like a television channel. You may be watching TV channels on the Internet someday. |
| 11:52.11 | nvz | znh: ok? |
| 11:52.30 | ColonelKernel | sb live value is emu10k1? |
| 11:52.38 | cmihai | aha. |
| 11:52.45 | znh | nvz: I like ion because it's extreamly lightweight, and it's great for having much applications open at the same time |
| 11:52.46 | nvz | ColonelKernel: yep |
| 11:52.52 | vladkao | znh: http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/bigPNGYo1.png |
| 11:53.02 | znh | vladkao: *click* |
| 11:53.13 | nvz | znh: any good wm that you are comfortable working with can do that. |
| 11:53.46 | znh | nvz: hmm.. i think fluxbox would be near it |
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| 11:53.49 | nvz | znh: when I feel like using the mouse I use sawfish, when I don't I use ion |
| 11:54.01 | spdf | His card should be picked up, its been supported since 1.0.5 |
| 11:54.04 | znh | vladkao: hmm sweet, we're did you get the cpu meters from? |
| 11:54.16 | spdf | Should be snd-emu10k1x |
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| 11:54.34 | ColonelKernel | sheesh im acutally glad sarge hasnt gone to gnome 2.10 - 2.10 needs work |
| 11:54.52 | rixth_ | How do I patch kernel source? (I have the patch file in /usr/src) |
| 11:54.54 | ColonelKernel | better to use an optimized 2.8 IMHO |
| 11:55.03 | nvz | ColonelKernel: sarge isnt going anywhere, its frozen |
| 11:55.07 | user1 | does anyone know of a good resource of learing how to install debian ? |
| 11:55.10 | cmihai | Didn't have any problems with 2.10 ... |
| 11:55.21 | ColonelKernel | nvz, sarge is the STABLE release isnt it? |
| 11:55.22 | cmihai | user1: yes. The installer. Use it && learn :) |
| 11:55.29 | ColonelKernel | deb 3.1? |
| 11:55.31 | resiak | Gnome is a cancer on the earth, it is said. |
| 11:55.31 | FieldySnuts | topicsmite? |
| 11:55.35 | nvz | ColonelKernel: yep, and therefore will never have Gnome 2.10 |
| 11:55.38 | FieldySnuts | !prise resiak |
| 11:55.45 | znh | cmihai: + || join irc ;) |
| 11:55.54 | ColonelKernel | cmeme, not problems, just a lot slower and not as responsive as 2.8 |
| 11:56.07 | rixth_ | How do I patch kernel source? (I have the patch file in /usr/src) Come on guys :) |
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| 11:56.17 | ColonelKernel | nvz, why never? |
| 11:56.39 | nvz | ColonelKernel: in debian stable means frozen, no new packages. |
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| 11:56.53 | nvz | ColonelKernel: only security fixes can be added to a stable distro |
| 11:56.56 | FieldySnuts | nothing special about gnome 2.10 anyway, other than more bloat |
| 11:56.58 | cmihai | The only things I really miss are XOrg and Gnome 2.10 .. :( |
| 11:56.58 | ColonelKernel | thats odd, you'd think stable meant stable |
| 11:57.05 | resiak | !stable |
| 11:57.05 | dpkg | methinks stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r0, or ask me about releases. |
| 11:57.07 | FieldySnuts | !lart ColonelKernel |
| 11:57.17 | nvz | ColonelKernel: thats why its stable, because nothing is changing anymore, only getting fixed |
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| 11:57.30 | FieldySnuts | nvz: I think you're talking to a reflective wall |
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| 11:57.38 | ColonelKernel | FieldySnuts, I hate to say it but I agree, more bloat, and HD access is slow in it too |
| 11:57.42 | cahoot | rixth_: http://kernelnewbies.org/faq/index.php3#patch |
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| 11:58.01 | QaDeS | it's doing something :oD wonder if my box will be usable afterwards ^^ |
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| 11:58.15 | znh | ah damn.. stupid pcmcia card.. |
| 11:58.16 | ColonelKernel | nvz, thats ok, if I want to upgrade something i'll use a sid package |
| 11:58.22 | bjk | is there a way to statically link a dynamic binary without the sources? like combine all needed libraries into a new binary? |
| 11:58.22 | rixth_ | cahothanks' |
| 11:58.25 | FieldySnuts | haha. |
| 11:58.25 | ColonelKernel | what is unstable called now? |
| 11:58.26 | rixth_ | cahoot, thanks* |
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| 11:58.32 | rixth_ | Sid |
| 11:58.35 | nvz | ColonelKernel: unstable is always called sid |
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| 11:58.44 | ColonelKernel | what is testing now them? |
| 11:58.45 | dmesg | ColonelKernel: it is and always will be sid |
| 11:58.45 | ColonelKernel | then |
| 11:58.48 | nvz | ColonelKernel: Etch |
| 11:58.57 | FieldySnuts | Badger |
| 11:58.59 | cahoot | Etch or etch? |
| 11:59.07 | jamsi | Who here knows the flow of an mta and spamassassin? Does it go, internet>mta>spamass>mta>user ? |
| 11:59.14 | MobyTurbo | Mushroom |
| 11:59.17 | paulswm | ColonelKernel: it's all on the debian web site if you look. |
| 11:59.22 | ColonelKernel | Badger? BADGERS? we dont need no stinking badgers |
| 11:59.23 | spdf | SNAKE! SNAKE! |
| 11:59.24 | nvz | ColonelKernel: Unstable is named sid after the kid in toy story that breaks things. because thats what sid does, it breaks things |
| 11:59.32 | FieldySnuts | uhf heh |
| 11:59.41 | ColonelKernel | nvz, thats hilarious |
| 11:59.41 | FieldySnuts | Rauls Appartment! |
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| 12:00.04 | patter | jamsi: configurable but if spamassassin runs from .procmailrc, then internet>mta>mda>spamass>mda |
| 12:00.08 | user1 | the doc's for the installer are great if you know what your dooing but they suck for learing |
| 12:00.19 | jamsi | patter: not using proc, using it with exim4 |
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| 12:00.22 | dmesg | ColonelKernel: know movie Toy Story ? that's where the release names come from |
| 12:00.34 | vladkao | znh: It's not mine :-) |
| 12:00.40 | ColonelKernel | dmesg, I never put that together before |
| 12:00.51 | ColonelKernel | so when is "buzz" coming? |
| 12:00.56 | FieldySnuts | !history |
| 12:00.56 | dpkg | methinks history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 12:00.56 | rixth_ | What the hell, the 2.6.12 doesn't apply cleanly to 2.6.11 =/ |
| 12:00.57 | patter | jamsi then it should run inside the mta (I hope you're using the spamd/spamc combo) |
| 12:00.58 | QaDeS | oh great. can't the be from, say, monsters inc? *g* |
| 12:01.00 | FieldySnuts | it's all there |
| 12:01.04 | rixth_ | 2.6.12 patch that is |
| 12:01.08 | MobyTurbo | ColonelKernel: Bruce Perens, who headed the Debian project, worked for Pixar at the time; producer of Toy Story. Hence the name. |
| 12:01.09 | paulswm | Read the friggin' web site FFS |
| 12:01.18 | FieldySnuts | !buzz |
| 12:01.18 | dpkg | somebody said buzz was Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg) |
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| 12:01.26 | jamsi | patter: yep I am. Just need to design a diagram showing the flow of things |
| 12:01.30 | ColonelKernel | rixth_, you need to apply it to the bare vanilla 2.6.11, not the latest stable 2.6.11 |
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| 12:01.56 | jamsi | patter, doesn't exim4 pass the email to spamc for checking, then back to exim4 to pass the message onto the end user? |
| 12:02.04 | nvz | ColonelKernel: well all debian codenames are from toy story. Bo (Little Bo Peep), Rex (T-Rex), Buzz (Buzz-Lightyear), Hamm (The Piggy Bank), Slink (The Slinky Dog), Potato (Mr. Potato Head), Woody (The Cowboy), Sarge (The Green Army Man), Etch (Etch-a-Sketch), Sid (Kid next door). |
| 12:02.05 | rixth_ | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.11.tar.bz2 << Thats the file my source came from |
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| 12:02.32 | nct | Hi |
| 12:02.32 | nct | I've problem dist-upgrading sid |
| 12:02.32 | nct | I've failed signature on most packages: "Origin Signature check failed" |
| 12:02.34 | QaDeS | anybody know where to get a proper devices.tar.gz for debootstrap? |
| 12:02.45 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.54 | ColonelKernel | I cant believe you already had a release named buzz and I didnt get to try it out. I wonder if that qualifies as irony |
| 12:03.00 | FieldySnuts | --dry-run option in patch is useful (pretend without wrecking your tree) |
| 12:03.09 | rixth_ | bear:/usr/src# bzip2 -dc /usr/src/patch-2.6.12.bz2 | patch -p1 --dry-run |
| 12:03.10 | rixth_ | can't find file to patch at input line 4 |
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| 12:03.21 | patter | jamsi: sounds right but its not something I've gone into at that level |
| 12:03.34 | jamsi | patter, cheers. |
| 12:03.34 | valdyn | rixth_: pebkac |
| 12:03.39 | FieldySnuts | you're not feeding it the actual patch file |
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| 12:03.41 | cahoot | rixth_: what's your pwd? |
| 12:03.44 | nvz | ColonelKernel: the old distros still exist.. the really old ones exist only as source. |
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| 12:03.55 | nvz | ColonelKernel: for historical reasons its all archived |
| 12:04.07 | ColonelKernel | yeah I guess if want buzz Ill have to smoke for it |
| 12:04.08 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a world war |
| 12:04.08 | ColonelKernel | lol |
| 12:04.09 | ravenbird | Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians! |
| 12:04.09 | rixth_ | never mind, my mistake, I was in /usr/src, not /usr/src/linux, now it works |
| 12:04.27 | FieldySnuts | yep that's where you have to be with p1 |
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| 12:06.12 | QaDeS | funny... |
| 12:06.40 | QaDeS | /sbin/MAKEDEV: majov_device_mapper=253: command not found <-- o.O |
| 12:06.44 | bisquit | My NIC just keeps on hating me. Does anyone know what-on-earth are the parameters to pass to 3c59x to make it use the card in 10FD (or 10HD might work as well), instead of the "auto-detected" 100HD which simply doesn't work? |
| 12:06.58 | QaDeS | typo, but yanno what i mean ^^ what is this? |
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| 12:07.31 | cahoot | bisquit: tried modinfo? |
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| 12:08.09 | avalente | is it just me, or we are running out of ToyStory characters? |
| 12:08.24 | jamsi | We are. |
| 12:08.25 | valdyn | bisquit: mii-tool or ethtool |
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| 12:08.40 | bisquit | cahoot, yes - but it speaks a foreign language ;) ...and a very complicated one, as well. Ahem. |
| 12:08.55 | avalente | we still have the green army guys:P we could get a name for each of them |
| 12:09.01 | jamsi | lol |
| 12:09.05 | bisquit | valdyn, ethtool doesn't even want to try - I can try mii-tool, just a sec |
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| 12:09.30 | mwilson | bisquit: Exactly how does it not work? What is on the other end of the cable? |
| 12:09.30 | aLPHa_LeaK | hi :) |
| 12:09.32 | nvz | avalente: well, it takes 2-3 years to stabilize a debian distro.. and there are 2 toy story movies to go on, with quite a cast |
| 12:10.08 | ColonelKernel | exit |
| 12:10.10 | avalente | 2 more or TS1 and TS2? :S |
| 12:10.14 | nvz | I am sure there will if there isnt already be a discussion on the wiki about what to do when there are none left |
| 12:10.42 | nvz | they never used the RC Car, which I would think should have been one of the first few |
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| 12:11.12 | bisquit | mwilson, on the other end of the cable there is a Cisco 575 LRE. |
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| 12:11.18 | avalente | what's the name of the other Potato? the "lady"? |
| 12:11.27 | ColonelKernel | MrsPotato |
| 12:11.38 | ColonelKernel | potatoho |
| 12:11.38 | nvz | I'll have to go back and watch Toy Story again sometime and see just how many years we have left... heh I cant hardly remember the movie |
| 12:11.49 | bisquit | And it doesn't work by dropping the line every 1-3 minutes as soon as "trafic" starts. :P |
| 12:11.49 | avalente | ehhe |
| 12:11.50 | hris | i have installed ipvs using modprobe -ipvs but still using lsmod it's not showing the ipvs module |
| 12:11.59 | avalente | i would go for the green army to get names :) |
| 12:11.59 | hris | how do i find if ipvs is installed or not |
| 12:12.02 | Cope | I have a program running on a machine - on a separate tty, and this machine is now headless. Its not under screen, and its not listed under jobs. Is there a way I can send it a signal to force it into the background, so I can foreground it again in my new session? |
| 12:12.04 | Phated | We have LittleGreenMen 1 through 20000, we're not running out. |
| 12:12.17 | beardy | nvz: It takes, or would take, the same time for every distro, the difference is that the others don't wait until things are tested and stable and releases buggy crap over and over. |
| 12:12.22 | avalente | Phated :) |
| 12:12.34 | eps | what is a good itunes clone so I can upload music to my ipod? |
| 12:12.43 | ColonelKernel | well some things need upgrades. like gaim |
| 12:12.45 | nvz | eps: gtkpod |
| 12:12.50 | eps | thanks nvz |
| 12:12.58 | nvz | eps: itunes is garbage btw |
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| 12:13.24 | eps | I just use itunes in windows to upload my music, does the job - wouldn't use it for anything else |
| 12:13.43 | nvz | eps: good, then you will like gtkpod :) |
| 12:13.51 | avalente | i think stable should be used more in "production".. servers and such.. and for Desktop.. go for testing |
| 12:13.57 | avalente | or even ubuntu.. |
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| 12:14.05 | eps | nvz I remember using it when it was around .2 release - it didn't work well :P |
| 12:14.21 | TBBle | Cope: Not really. There's some work going on in that way under 'cryopid' but I think it's not ready yet. |
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| 12:14.35 | ColonelKernel | im using stable on a desktop right now - I love it, its really smooth - and the testing kernel is slow compared to the stable kernel |
| 12:14.42 | nct | Why is signature broken on sid ? |
| 12:14.45 | nvz | eps: I only used it once, as I dont have an ipod.. I used it for a friend. I think it expects you to mount the ipod somewhere specific like /mnt/ipod or /media/ipod, and from there its pretty simple |
| 12:14.56 | ColonelKernel | the system boots up noticeably slower anyhow |
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| 12:15.00 | eps | yeah, seems so |
| 12:15.16 | Cope | TBBle: so I guess the only way would be do connect a monitor and keyboard, and bg it myself. Will read about cryopid, though - sounds interesting. Thanks. :) |
| 12:15.28 | avalente | i have stable on the server, ubuntu on the desktop.. |
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| 12:15.42 | TBBle | Cope: Even bging it won't let you bring it back somewhere else. |
| 12:16.02 | nvz | well I should get some sleep, the longer I stay up the harder its going to be to wakeup again |
| 12:16.25 | Cope | TBBle: hmm, this is true. Oh well - its not a very important prog; was just curious. |
| 12:17.01 | ColonelKernel | out of curiosity - why toy story |
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| 12:17.06 | hris | hi, could some one help in enabling snmp |
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| 12:17.37 | hris | my debian sarge |
| 12:17.44 | Shining69 | hello |
| 12:17.52 | cahoot | ColonelKernel: try '/lastlog pixar' |
| 12:18.02 | Shining69 | i got a problem with kernel 2,6 |
| 12:18.12 | FieldySnuts | hris: install net-snmp then read its docs |
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| 12:18.14 | Shining69 | someone ken help me? |
| 12:18.26 | ColonelKernel | gotcha |
| 12:18.32 | hris | net-install is theere by default in the base installation |
| 12:18.36 | FieldySnuts | Shining69: if you can be more specific |
| 12:18.36 | js | Shining69: hadoken |
| 12:18.38 | hris | sorry net-snmp |
| 12:18.49 | FieldySnuts | well, read its docs then probably /usr/doc or something |
| 12:18.52 | nvz | ColonelKernel: Bruce Perens worked at pixar during the making of the movie. people used to ask him if he was proud to be working there, he would laugh and tell them he was merely a geek who fixed computers at pixar, his hobby project Debian GNU/Linux, was doing much bigger things.. like running computers in space and such. |
| 12:18.57 | ColonelKernel | js, isnt that ryu's battle cry from street fighter? |
| 12:19.30 | ColonelKernel | nvz, yeah I got that - thats pretty cool but i'd still kill for a job at pixar |
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| 12:19.31 | js | ColonelKernel: it's what he and ken say when they do an ordinary fireball |
| 12:19.32 | nvz | ColonelKernel: people made such a big deal out of him working there, negligible to what debian has done, that he probably found it ammusing |
| 12:19.33 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a world war |
| 12:19.33 | dpkg | Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians! |
| 12:19.48 | aliumalik | I am on a network which requires a windows NT domain authentication to allow access to the internet but I wanna do a sid install is ther eany way I can do that? |
| 12:19.55 | Cope | TBBle: cryopid looks like it would work in this case actually - someone's irssi instance. |
| 12:19.58 | ColonelKernel | nvz, im pretty sure that pixar uses redhat though doesnt it? |
| 12:20.00 | Shining69 | when i shutdown the swap file is not deactivate and the pc is not poweredoff |
| 12:20.10 | Shining69 | anybody can help me? |
| 12:20.25 | FieldySnuts | aliumalik: mozilla might support that but I forget, firefox etc might as well. i wouldn't count on it though. |
| 12:20.31 | nvz | ColonelKernel: *shrug* who the hell cares what pixar does.. debian is more interesting. |
| 12:20.51 | ColonelKernel | nvz, I care! I want to get a job there! |
| 12:20.52 | TBBle | Cope: I wasn't sure if cryopid was actually ready. It was mentioned at a lightning talk at a conference. |
| 12:20.57 | aliumalik | I meant I want to use the netinst image on a blank pc |
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| 12:21.18 | nvz | ColonelKernel: I'd rather work for Debian for free. :P |
| 12:21.26 | Shining69 | hello anybody can help me? |
| 12:21.36 | ColonelKernel | :D |
| 12:21.38 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Shining69 |
| 12:21.39 | dpkg | Shining69: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh edonkey kthx |
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| 12:21.57 | Shining69 | no is the sarge |
| 12:21.57 | ColonelKernel | I dunno man, a 1024 node cluster just sounds like something begging to be put to evil uses |
| 12:22.16 | Shining69 | with kernel 2.6 |
| 12:22.25 | K_Dallas | Shining69, ask your question |
| 12:22.50 | bodq | K_Dallas: he already sis |
| 12:22.51 | ColonelKernel | I dont think english is Shining69 primary language |
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| 12:22.52 | bodq | *did |
| 12:22.52 | Shining69 | when i shutdown the swap is not deactivate |
| 12:23.05 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 12:23.05 | Shining69 | no it isnt |
| 12:23.05 | tarzeau | jethro, paulswm, let's play some? |
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| 12:23.09 | Shining69 | italian |
| 12:23.25 | Shining69 | and the pc is not powered off |
| 12:23.51 | Shining69 | what can i do to makee it working? |
| 12:24.00 | f00bar | is there a way I can mount/unmount certain samba shares when they become available? |
| 12:24.04 | Shining69 | with kernel 2.4 everithing is ok |
| 12:24.22 | Cope | TBBle: its only half ready, and the only documentation is the code itself, which I am currently reading! However the webpages give examples of where it has worked, including what I am trying to do :-) Good lead! |
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| 12:25.19 | TBBle | Cope: Sweet. I'll have to go dig it up myself. ^_^ |
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| 12:26.15 | TBBle | f00bar: What do you mean available? You mean when they're added to the server? |
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| 12:28.31 | otroean | can't find the ppd file for Epson Stylus Photo R300 |
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| 12:28.39 | Pugfan | Shining69: use /sbin/poweroff or shutdown -p not just shutdown! |
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| 12:29.08 | patter | otroean you can probably get one from http://www.linuxprinting.org/ |
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| 12:30.02 | f00bar | TBBle: no, when they come onlin |
| 12:30.02 | f00bar | e |
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| 12:31.50 | ethics | im getting double ups in menu....anyone familiar with menu ? |
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| 12:32.59 | TBBle | f00bar: Very unlikely then. Maybe use autofs instead, which only mounts when someone tries to access it. |
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| 12:34.02 | beardy | ethics: What menu? What do you mean by double ups? |
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| 12:34.12 | meppl | guten morgen - good morning |
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| 12:34.45 | ethics | beardy: debian menu ie proggy called menu, and 2 entries for everything ..1 subfolder name but doubles of each app |
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| 12:35.35 | TBBle | ethics: Check for duplicate entries in /usr/share/menu and /usr/lib/menu? Might be a migration gone bad...? |
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| 12:36.58 | ethics | TBBle, possibly, gnome 2.10 may be grumpy with it heheh it chnage how it displayed it so it may be related |
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| 12:37.35 | luulis | ethics: or you have system-wide menu entries somewhere and local ones generated in ~/.local somewhere |
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| 12:38.22 | bisquit | Is it possible, and if yes, how - to run multiple X-sessions on one console?-) |
| 12:38.33 | Vasilea | hi, can I boot a cd from debian lilo or something? |
| 12:38.45 | luulis | ethics: so rm -rf'ing ~/.local would be a short-term solution for that or somehow preventing menu from generating those system-wide entries |
| 12:39.05 | paulswm | sorry tarzeau, wasn't watching the channel, I am on call this weekend and busy - have fun though :) |
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| 12:39.07 | beardy | bisquit: man startx ? |
| 12:39.28 | tarzeau | Vasilea: you can't |
| 12:39.35 | tarzeau | Vasilea: install GRUB |
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| 12:39.54 | Vasilea | ok |
| 12:39.57 | Vasilea | thanks |
| 12:40.34 | bisquit | beardy, I tried that. But ok sure, I can read it again... |
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| 12:40.57 | jamsi | To boot debian into text multi user (not xfree86) in the inittab, you set runlevel to 3 yes? |
| 12:40.59 | ethics | luulis, well from what im readying im thinking this is a gnome 2.10 problem..the same thing happened when kde & xfce4 used to be installed... |
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| 12:41.22 | cahoot | bisquit: might look at Xnest |
| 12:41.37 | Vasilea | tarzeau, grub2 or legacy? |
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| 12:42.02 | ethics | luulis, /usr/shar/menu has 2 files only heheh...the menus created using some desktop id numbers....apparently i have 2 sets of different numbers rather than 1 so i expect thats because gnome 2.10 just spacced it a little... |
| 12:42.02 | Vasilea | i got some old debian, woody.. |
| 12:42.03 | luulis | ethics: well you could say it is a bug showing duplicate menu entries when they are the same but it might a 'feature' too :P |
| 12:42.27 | tarzeau | Vasilea: legacy |
| 12:42.29 | ethics | luuis: heheh well yes....im sure itll be fixed when 2.10 hits etch..im mixing atm. |
| 12:42.35 | jfil | hi, how could do "apt-get install --reinstall" for all the packages installed on my system |
| 12:42.39 | Vasilea | k |
| 12:42.39 | bisquit | cahoot, oh.. will do that next then. |
| 12:42.57 | drasko | hi all. I am trying to change the font in xemacs. How to do that? Lso, I go to edit->text properties->foregroung color, and get lost there. How to change this things? |
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| 12:44.55 | jfil | how could i regenerate the folder /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 12:44.59 | spdf | Is there some bub-n-bros going on? :) |
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| 12:45.48 | ethics | luulis, although looking at the doco on "menu" its about as clear as mud how it works heheh too many options hehe |
| 12:45.49 | beardy | jfil: What did you do to it? |
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| 12:46.13 | jfil | someome of my employees removed all that folder !!! |
| 12:46.19 | jfil | sorry for my english |
| 12:46.25 | asuffield | jfil: restore from backup |
| 12:46.30 | beardy | jfil: Don't give lusers root. |
| 12:46.40 | jfil | restore from backup? |
| 12:46.46 | jfil | asuffield, what do u mean |
| 12:46.47 | beardy | jfil: Yes. |
| 12:47.08 | asuffield | if you can't comprehend that sentence then you've no business with root either |
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| 12:47.12 | jfil | i dont have backup on this terminal |
| 12:47.20 | jfil | this is not an important machine |
| 12:47.28 | jfil | but want to solve it |
| 12:47.45 | asuffield | tough. your box has been destroyed |
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| 12:48.04 | beardy | jfil: Reinstall, and learn from your mistakes. |
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| 12:48.39 | jfil | beardy, and asuffield , i can reinstall all the packages and the problem is solved |
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| 12:48.49 | jfil | but i want something quicker |
| 12:48.52 | TBBle | You could maybe recreate it with really really interesting use of apt-file and apt-get. I don't recommend that though. |
| 12:48.58 | asuffield | you're wrong, now go hire a sysadmin |
| 12:49.07 | jfil | a way to do "apt-get install --reinstall" for all |
| 12:49.36 | spdf | tarzeau, Are you guys playing BnB? |
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| 12:50.07 | TBBle | Given that you've deleted the list of installed packages, reinstalling the installed pacakges automatically looks kinda tricky to me. |
| 12:50.24 | bob2 | /info/ isn't hard to get back |
| 12:50.38 | tarzeau | spdf: well no, i found nobody. let me check the servers |
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| 12:51.15 | spdf | tarzeau, I'll throw one up |
| 12:51.17 | TBBle | Oh, duh. I'm thinking of 'status' |
| 12:51.20 | bob2 | yeah |
| 12:51.35 | bob2 | you just need a lop around dpkg-deb |
| 12:51.36 | tarzeau | spdf: i'll join |
| 12:51.43 | tarzeau | spdf: check www.mtp-target.org some day too ;) |
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| 12:52.03 | ethics | luulis, /usr/lib/menu is where the entries live...no doubles in there so it must be gnome doing soemthign hehe |
| 12:52.05 | tarzeau | spdf: the norris.ethz.ch one is fast. let's join that? |
| 12:52.30 | TBBle | ethics: Menu entries also live in /usr/share/menu. If the same file's in both, I expect you'll get two menu entries. |
| 12:52.55 | spdf | tarzeau, On |
| 12:52.59 | jfil | bob2, could you give me more details |
| 12:53.08 | TBBle | "apt-get --download-only `each installed package`; for (each installed package); dpkg-deb -x pkg tmpdir; mv tmpdir/DEBIAN /var/lib/dpkg/info/; done" or something like that? |
| 12:53.32 | bob2 | yeah |
| 12:53.34 | asuffield | really, really bad idea to try and write huge amounts of data by hand |
| 12:53.39 | asuffield | because you'll never get it right |
| 12:53.46 | asuffield | and then stuff will break |
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| 12:53.55 | tarzeau | spdf: it's a bit laggy, from where are you? |
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| 12:54.49 | john | when will testing get an apt repository? |
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| 12:55.03 | tarzeau | spdf: yay did you see me get the "box"? it'll transform all bubbles to diamonds at the end! so make alot of bubbles before you kill the last monster |
| 12:55.11 | spdf | tarzeau, Canada here |
| 12:55.12 | bob2 | john: it's had one for weeks |
| 12:55.19 | lcore_ | metacity->config editor->global_keybindings: "<alt>" stands for the alt key. Howto bind a command to the Win/Tux key? |
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| 12:55.58 | spdf | tarzeau, I'm not a very competent climber.. lol |
| 12:56.04 | john | well, when i switched my "sarge" to "testing" or "etch" in the source.list file, and update, it fails. |
| 12:56.20 | tarzeau | spdf: did you see those dimaonds? |
| 12:56.22 | tarzeau | LOLZ |
| 12:56.24 | bob2 | john: because testing doesn't have security updates |
| 12:56.36 | bob2 | john: and won't until days before etch releases |
| 12:56.55 | vladkao | etch? the new name? |
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| 12:57.01 | TBBle | lcore_: Well, it's usually Super_L or Super_R, so maybe 'super'? |
| 12:57.12 | tarzeau | vladkao: just a new toy |
| 12:57.24 | resiak | lcore_: Press it? |
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| 12:58.20 | TBBle | Although we apparently have 10/11 testing-security autobuilders? |
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| 12:58.54 | bob2 | haha |
| 12:59.02 | bob2 | the system on NCIS has /var/run/ |
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| 12:59.26 | bob2 | jfil: don't /msg me |
| 12:59.34 | tarzeau | spdf: fun isn't it? the fun goes ^2 with additional dragons |
| 12:59.36 | bob2 | jfil: a) stop pretending someone else broke it |
| 12:59.52 | jfil | bob2, can u please answer me? |
| 13:00.02 | bob2 | fuck off |
| 13:00.09 | bob2 | I'm typing the answer |
| 13:00.15 | spdf | tarzeau, Haha, its grreat |
| 13:00.17 | TBBle | bob2: And apparently their terminal interface can work with two independant people at the keyboard. |
| 13:00.31 | john | bob2: okay, no security updates, that's fine.. but can't you use testing for everything else, and keep stable for security? or should I shut up now? |
| 13:00.32 | Vasilea | how do you boot from cd with grub? :-S |
| 13:00.39 | tarzeau | spdf: LOLZ ;) |
| 13:00.45 | tarzeau | Vasilea: hehe ;) |
| 13:00.49 | Vasilea | :) |
| 13:00.53 | pirate | No matching plugin was found. <-- make-jpkg on crack? |
| 13:01.15 | jfil | bob2, sorry sir, i just asked about how to regenerate /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 13:01.45 | TBBle | john: Not like that. Security fixes in stable will hopefully be applied to unstable as appropriate, and with like marked with high urgency so they can migrate through to testing quicker, but that's non-deterministics. |
| 13:01.47 | bob2 | jfil: have fun then |
| 13:01.52 | TBBle | non-deterministic. |
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| 13:01.57 | bob2 | your impatience is annoying |
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| 13:02.29 | MobyTurbo | pirate: "fakeroo make-jpkg foo-jre-1.5-etc |
| 13:02.29 | MobyTurbo | *fakeroot |
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| 13:03.09 | pirate | MobyTurbo: Still getting that same error. |
| 13:03.17 | lcore_ | TBBle, Thanx. 'Super_L' did the trick. |
| 13:03.22 | pirate | Doesn't even leave the tmp work around =/ |
| 13:03.23 | jfil | ohh sorry, my english is not good, i didnt understand u. i'm waiting for your answer now. sorry me |
| 13:03.26 | liable | bob2: no alsaconf on ubuntu? |
| 13:03.44 | MobyTurbo | pirate: it works here(tm) |
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| 13:04.00 | liable | goota love TM |
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| 13:04.04 | liable | :) |
| 13:04.12 | liable | gotta even |
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| 13:04.17 | pirate | Muhahah. |
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| 13:05.04 | tarzeau | jharrison: we're in! #bub-n-bros |
| 13:05.56 | jfil | bob2, please help me, sorry for disturb you, i didnt understand cause my english is not good |
| 13:06.16 | TBBle | I thought the trademark was 'It works for me.(tm)' |
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| 13:10.25 | spdf | tarzeau, Aargh :) |
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| 13:10.59 | tarzeau | spdf: hehe all diamons.are.mine.nu |
| 13:11.09 | tarzeau | and cakes! and bananas |
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| 13:11.31 | tarzeau | AND ICE CREAM ;) |
| 13:11.34 | tarzeau | LOLZ |
| 13:11.36 | oobe | http://i8.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/7a/7c/15_1_b.JPG |
| 13:11.39 | tarzeau | mwahahaha, sorry i have a date. you play with the other guys |
| 13:11.39 | spdf | tarzeau, "All your diamonds are belong to u." |
| 13:11.43 | oobe | anyone know what model they are? |
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| 13:13.38 | TBBle | Icecream? |
| 13:13.50 | spdf | tarzeau, Good times, later man |
| 13:14.40 | tarzeau | TBBle: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 13:15.07 | liable | pusher :) |
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| 13:16.43 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 13:17.02 | TuxMeister | i'm desperate, is there any way to recover deleted files? recently deleted |
| 13:17.15 | TuxMeister | ?????? |
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| 13:17.56 | bob2 | no |
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| 13:18.10 | TuxMeister | bob2, don't shit! |
| 13:18.22 | paulswm | TuxMeister: what filesystem type? |
| 13:18.23 | bob2 | omfglolzwtfbbq! |
| 13:18.25 | FieldySnuts | backups, or forget it |
| 13:18.31 | TuxMeister | reiserfs |
| 13:18.34 | bob2 | if it's ext2, there's a chance |
| 13:18.35 | FieldySnuts | definately forget it |
| 13:18.54 | paulswm | TuxMeister: Dunno. |
| 13:19.09 | FieldySnuts | note i'm a reiserfs fan, but i realize recovering deleted files is not possible for a mere mortal. maybe if you hire a data recovery company (not cheap), in the future keep backups |
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| 13:20.02 | bisquit | Thanks all :) |
| 13:20.15 | bisquit | I solved some problems today :P |
| 13:20.15 | TuxMeister | FieldySnuts, what have just deleted NEVER suposed to move away xD, i'm talking about a system installed a year ago, and talking about whole the /usr/local path |
| 13:20.37 | FieldySnuts | already answered ya |
| 13:20.51 | mops | how to run a command (as a user) when I log in X session? |
| 13:21.11 | bob2 | how are you logging in? |
| 13:21.13 | mops | customize ONLY user - run some apps in startaup of X |
| 13:21.16 | bob2 | what are you logging in to? |
| 13:21.20 | mops | bob2: through gdm |
| 13:21.23 | mops | bob2: fluxbox |
| 13:21.34 | bob2 | how is fluxbox started? |
| 13:21.51 | mops | how how? |
| 13:22.00 | TuxMeister | FieldySnuts, it's impossible to me makin' backup of 5Gb everytime i change somethin', i do that with smaller things of my system, though |
| 13:22.02 | TuxMeister | thanks to all |
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| 13:22.10 | bob2 | nevermind |
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| 13:22.27 | mops | hmm |
| 13:22.27 | QaDeS | umm...debian doesn't have hardware autodetection in the installation routine? or am i missing something? |
| 13:22.41 | bob2 | of course it does |
| 13:22.44 | bob2 | don't be silly |
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| 13:23.11 | QaDeS | where? o.O don't seem to find it |
| 13:23.12 | bob2 | mops: make a ~/.xsession. put these lines: "yourcommand&", "exec fluxbox", with no quotes. |
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| 13:23.24 | bob2 | QaDeS: what do you mean "where"? it runs it during the install. |
| 13:23.28 | TBBle | tarzeau: What, no .deb? |
| 13:23.42 | bob2 | QaDeS: you're using sarge, right? |
| 13:23.52 | QaDeS | fine. it didn't find my network card :o/ |
| 13:24.10 | QaDeS | and i got 2 ^^ asus A7N8X mainboard anyone? |
| 13:24.13 | QaDeS | woody |
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| 13:24.20 | bob2 | don't even bother |
| 13:24.22 | bob2 | go download sarge |
| 13:24.22 | Execution | hi there. After i do upgrade from woody to sarge my mouse under X does not work properly the mouse is a standard serial mouse device using /dev/ttyS0. On woody it worked normally using Protocol "Microsoft" now it does not work with the same config directive either what can i do to make it work? |
| 13:24.28 | wols | QaDeS: won't woork in woody out of the box |
| 13:24.37 | QaDeS | gnarf |
| 13:24.40 | wols | QaDeS: get sarge with a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:24.47 | bob2 | woody is from 2002 |
| 13:24.57 | QaDeS | oh |
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| 13:25.41 | QaDeS | hmmm...is there any chance i can set up the system with debootstrap and start the installation routine from there? |
| 13:25.43 | valdyn | Execution: ls -l /dev/input/mice |
| 13:25.44 | Execution | can someone give me a hint? |
| 13:25.57 | Execution | [16:19:57|doommid:]# ls -l /dev/input/mice |
| 13:25.57 | Execution | crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 Mar 14 2002 /dev/input/mice |
| 13:25.58 | Execution | [16:25:56|doommid:]# |
| 13:26.02 | bob2 | QaDeS: do you know enough to do the install manually afterwards? |
| 13:26.20 | valdyn | Execution: type "cat /dev/input/mice" and wiggle your mouse around |
| 13:26.20 | QaDeS | you're joking ^^ |
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| 13:26.37 | bob2 | then don't do debootstrap |
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| 13:26.57 | liviud | dudes |
| 13:27.01 | valdyn | Execution: oh or just run mdetect |
| 13:27.08 | liviud | does sarge gets any security updates now that it is stable? |
| 13:27.11 | Execution | [16:19:57|doommid:]# ls -l /dev/input/mice |
| 13:27.11 | Execution | crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 Mar 14 2002 /dev/input/mice |
| 13:27.12 | Execution | [16:25:56|doommid:]# cat /dev/input/mice |
| 13:27.12 | Execution | cat: /dev/input/mice: No such device |
| 13:27.12 | Execution | [16:26:55|doommid:]# |
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| 13:27.13 | bob2 | of course |
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| 13:27.35 | QaDeS | so there is no way to install the needed packages automatically after using debootstrap? o.O |
| 13:27.36 | Execution | sorry |
| 13:27.43 | liviud | bob2: who were you talking to ? |
| 13:27.44 | Execution | [16:25:56|doommid:]# cat /dev/input/mice |
| 13:27.45 | bob2 | QaDeS: of course there is |
| 13:27.45 | Execution | cat: /dev/input/mice: No such device |
| 13:27.46 | bob2 | liviud: you |
| 13:27.50 | QaDeS | i imagine all i'd need was apt-get ^^ |
| 13:27.55 | valdyn | Execution: what does mdetect ( run as root ) say ? |
| 13:27.59 | Execution | it seems i don't have mdetect? |
| 13:28.00 | liviud | bob2: okay, and what was the name for the security repository? |
| 13:28.02 | bob2 | QaDeS: just go get a sarge netinst disk |
| 13:28.03 | QaDeS | how? |
| 13:28.05 | Execution | is it a package? |
| 13:28.08 | bob2 | liviud: it's in your sources.list |
| 13:28.11 | QaDeS | ah ok |
| 13:28.14 | QaDeS | *searching* |
| 13:28.15 | valdyn | Execution: apt-get install mdetect |
| 13:28.25 | liviud | bob2: yeah i know i have to list it there, but i don't have it listed :P |
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| 13:29.07 | liviud | bob2: so what's the url of the damn repository for security updates |
| 13:29.19 | bob2 | no idea |
| 13:29.27 | bob2 | how on earth did you lose it? |
| 13:29.34 | liviud | i never had it set up. |
| 13:29.36 | Execution | valdyn: it says nothing |
| 13:29.38 | Execution | ? |
| 13:29.44 | Execution | [16:29:14|X11:]# mdetect |
| 13:29.44 | Execution | [16:29:24|X11:]# |
| 13:29.53 | bob2 | liviud: how did you install it without getting that in there? |
| 13:29.54 | wols | liviud: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 13:30.02 | bob2 | liviud: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 13:30.09 | valdyn | Execution: uname -r |
| 13:30.15 | liviud | bob2: i installed it as sid and downgraded it to sarge now |
| 13:30.22 | liviud | wols: thanks |
| 13:30.24 | Execution | i'm running the woody 2.2.20 release 5 kernel |
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| 13:30.31 | Execution | that should not be a prob at all? |
| 13:30.39 | TBBle | liviud: Wow! And you're worried about security updates? |
| 13:30.41 | Execution | [16:29:24|X11:]# uname -a; |
| 13:30.41 | Execution | Linux pcfreak 2.2.20 #1 Thu Feb 26 18:12:28 UTC 2004 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 13:30.41 | Execution | [16:30:36|X11:]# |
| 13:30.46 | wols | Execution: it should upgrade your kernel |
| 13:30.56 | liviud | TBBle: what part of what I said is that you don't actually understand? |
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| 13:31.11 | valdyn | Execution: no, not directly a problem ( though i dont recall how mice are driven in 2.2.x ) |
| 13:31.20 | TBBle | liviud: The bit where you downgraded from sid to sarge. |
| 13:31.41 | wols | TBBle: wonder how he accomplished that feat |
| 13:31.46 | liviud | TBBle: well the idiot who installed the system put sid on it, then i changed the sources.list to sarge and dist-upgraded it. |
| 13:31.48 | sphinx | Hi guys... I am here to ask anyone where stands the pthread man page package. Is it on glibc-doc ? |
| 13:31.51 | liviud | TBBle: what's the problem ? |
| 13:31.58 | TBBle | liviud: A dist-upgrade isn't a downgrade. |
| 13:32.06 | TBBle | liviud: Unless you did something really cool with apt-preferences? |
| 13:32.07 | liviud | no, dist-upgrade means actually dist-switch |
| 13:32.12 | wols | liviud: that' wont give you a sarge system. it at most gives you a sarge/sid mutt |
| 13:32.12 | TBBle | liviud: No, it doesn't. |
| 13:32.19 | liviud | wols: not really |
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| 13:32.28 | liviud | wols: it does give me a sarge system. |
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| 13:32.35 | TBBle | liviud: Unless you cranked the priority of sarge up over 1000, apt won't willingly download packages. |
| 13:32.38 | wols | liviud: you are mistaken |
| 13:32.42 | valdyn | Execution: what does 'cat /dev/ttyS0' say? |
| 13:32.45 | liviud | dude |
| 13:32.50 | sphinx | Hey... |
| 13:33.02 | liviud | all the core packages are downgraded to sarge |
| 13:33.09 | Execution | valdyn: well when moving the mouse there is a flow |
| 13:33.10 | liviud | do you want me to start pasting ? |
| 13:33.12 | sphinx | I am here to ask anyone where stands the pthread man page package. Is it on glibc-doc ? |
| 13:33.14 | TBBle | liviud: Not with dist-upgrade they're not. |
| 13:33.33 | liviud | TBBle: it does. |
| 13:33.45 | Execution | and my mouse works well under console with gpm |
| 13:34.02 | valdyn | Execution: ok, what does 'cat /dev/gpmdata' say? |
| 13:34.03 | TBBle | liviud: That's why it's called 'dist-upgrade' not 'dist-upgradedowngradeandcrossgrade' |
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| 13:34.04 | wols | TBBle: don't shatter his illusions |
| 13:34.11 | liviud | TBBle: http://www.bash.ro/?location=view_quote"e_id=2401 |
| 13:34.20 | technos_ | liviud: Nope. It gives you a potentially broken hybrid. There is no safe downgrade path for Debian. It just isn't something they've put much effort into. |
| 13:34.25 | liviud | maybe I'll still get a few leftovers. |
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| 13:34.54 | TBBle | liviud: Exactly. Note the complete and total absence of 'downgrade' there? |
| 13:34.56 | liviud | technos_: dude i've always been doing this shit, and it's always been automatically cleaning itself after you give it some time |
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| 13:35.17 | liviud | TBBle: you know what's the point? |
| 13:35.26 | Execution | valdyn: a bunch of characters but they don't flow when moving the mouse |
| 13:35.30 | liviud | it's switch more than 50% of the core packages back to sarge |
| 13:35.32 | kbrooks | i want the ruby stdlib all in ONE package, not SPLIT UP, dude |
| 13:35.35 | liviud | and that's the whole thing that I need. |
| 13:35.46 | sphinx | I am here to ask anyone where stands the pthread man page package. Is it on glibc-doc ? |
| 13:35.47 | kbrooks | anyone know how to do this? |
| 13:35.56 | TBBle | liviud: Unless you changed from sarge to sid early enough that all the packages that were in sid at the time migrated to sarge before release, you're out playing with fire. |
| 13:35.58 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Which is why you should be talking about this in #debian-ruby. |
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| 13:36.10 | Execution | valdyn: actually the mouse works under X but it doesn't moves properly it moves not well coordinated |
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| 13:36.16 | TBBle | liviud: Although with what you've done, you're not dangling as much as downgrading packages. (Which is explicitly not supported) |
| 13:36.21 | valdyn | Execution: try using that device for X. |
| 13:36.25 | liviud | TBBle: I never got burned. |
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| 13:36.40 | aktinos | sphinx: yes |
| 13:36.53 | valdyn | Execution: gpm does circumstantially not well cooperate with X accessing /dev/ttyS0, so there's /dev/gpmdata |
| 13:36.56 | TBBle | liviud: Yet. ^_^ For example, a package that's higher versioned now than the sarge release won't get security updates, since you don't have sid in sources.list anymore. |
| 13:37.05 | TBBle | liviud: Which leads me right back to my initial comment. |
| 13:37.07 | sphinx | aktinos, thenks but it's installed on mine debian and have not this man page.. |
| 13:37.11 | TBBle | 23:30 < TBBle> liviud: Wow! And you're worried about security updates? |
| 13:37.16 | liviud | TBBle: and anyway you are right, partially. The system was "testing" not sid actually, and that's why it might actually be cleaner than if it was sid. |
| 13:37.19 | valdyn | Execution: btw, did you run mdetect as root earlier? |
| 13:37.28 | Execution | valdyn: yes |
| 13:37.32 | TBBle | You went from testing to sarge? |
| 13:37.35 | TBBle | When? |
| 13:37.40 | Execution | valdyn: nothing was outputted? |
| 13:37.44 | liviud | TBBle: now :) |
| 13:37.54 | liviud | i thougt it was sid actually but i found out it was testing |
| 13:38.00 | aktinos | sphinx: man pthread_create |
| 13:38.06 | TBBle | Then you've got about 300 packages security-unsupported, I'm told. |
| 13:38.22 | liviud | oh well |
| 13:38.24 | TBBle | Including many core ones, such as... debhelper comes to mind. (You may not care about it?) |
| 13:38.25 | Execution | [16:37:32|X11:]# mdetect |
| 13:38.25 | Execution | [16:37:38|X11:]# |
| 13:38.35 | sphinx | aktinos, ok, it works sorry about that. |
| 13:38.36 | sphinx | ;) |
| 13:38.37 | TBBle | Someone was talking about it here yesterday, as it happens. |
| 13:38.37 | valdyn | Execution: aye, i had seen that, just try /dev/gpmdata then for X |
| 13:39.15 | TBBle | liviud: Get apt-show-versions, and run 'apt-show-versions |grep -v ' stable' to see what you've got that's out over the edge of safety. |
| 13:39.23 | valdyn | Execution: alternatively you could stop gpm and then try mdetect or mdetect -x again. not sure why its not finding your obviously existing mouse |
| 13:39.29 | liviud | TBBle: let me see. |
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| 13:41.17 | sciboy | If an application i am compiling requires "the latest opengl development headers" which package should i go for? =) |
| 13:41.47 | valdyn | !find libgl.h |
| 13:41.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libgl.h' returned no results. |
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| 13:42.24 | TBBle | !find gl.h ? |
| 13:42.36 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gl.h ?' returned no results. |
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| 13:42.41 | FieldySnuts | !list |
| 13:42.42 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 13:42.42 | sciboy | Heh. |
| 13:42.51 | sciboy | !find gl.h |
| 13:43.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gl.h' (6 of 67): (/usr/include/vgagl.h) in libdevel/libsvga1-dev ;; (/usr/share/gnulib/lib/trigl.h) in devel/gnulib ;; (/usr/include/bogl/bogl.h) in libdevel/libbogl-dev ;; (/usr/include/qt3/qgl.h) in libdevel/libqt3-mt-dev ;; (/usr/include/k3d/sdpgl/sdpgl.h) in graphics/k3d-dev ;; (/usr/include/gtkgl/gdkgl.h) in devel/gtkglarea5-dev. |
| 13:43.18 | sciboy | =| |
| 13:43.25 | sciboy | !find /gl.h |
| 13:43.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/gl.h' (6 of 10): (/usr/include/FL/gl.h) in libdevel/libfltk1.1-dev ;; (/usr/include/ClanLib/gl.h) in libdevel/libclanlib-dev ;; (/usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h) in libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev ;; (/usr/lib/R/library/base/html/gl.html) in math/r-base-html ;; (/usr/share/doc/doc-iana/root-whois/gl.htm) in doc/doc-iana ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include/GL/gl.h) in devel/mingw32-runtime. |
| 13:43.40 | FieldySnuts | you can msg the bot too |
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| 13:44.02 | sciboy | xlibmesa-gl-dev <- seems the most likely candidate. |
| 13:44.08 | arvind | Hello, I was wondering which package has the font helvectica? |
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| 13:44.19 | arvind | could someone look it up for me? |
| 13:44.34 | valdyn | sciboy: xlibmesa-gl-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h |
| 13:46.26 | TBBle | arvind: I don't think we have helvetica. Isn't that trademarked by Apple? |
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| 13:46.48 | valdyn | sciboy: however nvidia or ati will have their own gl.h with their own ( proprietary or not ) extensions. |
| 13:46.53 | cramm | Hi, I'm in the process of modifying a .deb package, I need to add a new build dependenacy and I see the debian/control file has Build-Depends line that ends in "..., libgpmg1-dev [amd64 i386 powerpc]". Is that list of archs related to the libgpmg1-dev dependancy or to the entire package (quemu in this case, known to support hosting only on a few archs). I see no reference to this square brackets stuff on the new maintainers guide |
| 13:47.32 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 13:47.49 | sciboy | k, brb. |
| 13:47.49 | Execution | valdyn: tried already to run mdetect -x and mdetect with no luch when gpm is stopped |
| 13:47.53 | TBBle | cramm: The brackets stuff is in the Debian policy, 7.2 I think. (Or 5.something otherwise), and yes it only applies to that dependancy. |
| 13:47.56 | Execution | valdyn: it outputs nothing |
| 13:48.09 | solemnwarning | is a 2gig / partition big enough to happily take debian 3.1 netinstall and svn server? |
| 13:48.17 | cramm | TBBle: k, thanks! |
| 13:48.28 | valdyn | Execution: did you try to use /dev/gpmdata in X? |
| 13:48.30 | Execution | valdyn: under X the mouse doesn't move the cursor right |
| 13:48.40 | Execution | valdyn: yes i'm using /dev/gpmdata |
| 13:48.53 | arvind | TBBle, no it's not. I has to be in debian, every major distrobution distrobutes it and my previous instalation had it to! |
| 13:48.54 | Execution | another strange thing |
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| 13:49.09 | Execution | is that i've stopped the gpm so under X no mouse at all right now? |
| 13:49.19 | TBBle | arvind: No idea then. Maybe apt-cache search will help? |
| 13:49.31 | Execution | valdyn: is this a normal behaviour? |
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| 13:49.35 | arvind | already tried mate |
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| 13:49.40 | arvind | even google |
| 13:49.44 | netman1 | Hi. How do I trace /etc/network/interfaces:ethx -> /dev/devx -> lsmod:modulex ? |
| 13:49.59 | dvs | Execution: If you mouse device is "/dev/gpmdata", it's expected. |
| 13:50.00 | kbrooks | arvind, explain ur prob |
| 13:50.14 | arvind | TBBle, if you have something like gtk-theme-switch installed take a look at your gtk2 fonts section, you will find the font inthere. I guess. |
| 13:50.20 | valdyn | Execution: no, not really. |
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| 13:50.30 | arvind | kbrooks, which package has the font helvectica |
| 13:50.33 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a world war |
| 13:50.33 | ravenbird | Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians! |
| 13:50.40 | kbrooks | arvind, h/o |
| 13:50.40 | FieldySnuts | stop saying that one heh |
| 13:50.46 | arvind | kbrooks, what? |
| 13:50.50 | TBBle | arvind: Sorry, no GTK-theme-switch on here that I know of. |
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| 13:50.53 | kbrooks | hold on |
| 13:50.53 | Execution | valdyn: another thing is when i go to X and then try to come back to the console after tried to move the mouse i can't go back to console until i do restart the X server |
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| 13:51.24 | kbrooks | arvind, apt-cache doesn't list it. |
| 13:51.32 | kbrooks | on a ubuntu system. |
| 13:52.00 | arvind | It's written as "Helvetica". kbrooks you have something like gtk-theme-swtich2 installed on your system? |
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| 13:53.21 | TBBle | arvind: You may have run the msttcorefonts installer package, but that fetches fonts from Microsoft, not Debian. |
| 13:53.54 | arvind | TBBle, nooo it's not a non-free font ha ha ha |
| 13:54.14 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a world war |
| 13:54.15 | apt | Brits will one day stomp the IRA! |
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| 13:55.29 | Execution | valdyn: so is putting my old xserver-svga from woody is the only solution to this situation? |
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| 13:55.54 | TBBle | arvind: I'm pretty sure Helvetica is a non-free font. As I recall, it's a macintosh font, and Arial is the Microsoft knock-off of it, but they can't call it helvetica for trademark reasons. |
| 13:56.00 | valdyn | Execution: oh, to your above question, if you stop gpm then /dev/gpmdata wont do anything, naturally. |
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| 13:56.27 | valdyn | Execution: is your mouse moving erratically just on /dev/gpmdata or on /dev/ttyS0 too? |
| 13:56.51 | Execution | ahum |
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| 13:57.27 | TBBle | arvind: http://www.linotype.com/13309/aboutthefont-doc.html |
| 13:57.32 | TBBle | arvind: You said you googled for it, right? |
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| 13:58.11 | arvind | TBBle, I'm certain it's not. It has to be in main, there can be various fariants of fonts you know, like Sans for example, you have free and non-free versions. Google more, I would say |
| 13:58.27 | eps | rebooting |
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| 14:00.03 | TBBle | arvind: I only ask about google because googling myself turned up the above link, and consistant advice that helvetica is licensed to apple and adobe from the makers, and to get msttcorefonts, and create a helvetica alias for verdana. |
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| 14:00.29 | TBBle | arvind: But having googled yourself, you've read that but chosen to apply a healthy level of disbelief for random web sources. |
| 14:00.40 | priest | how do i create the md-nodes in /dev/? |
| 14:01.24 | arvind | TBBle, for example, ion, the keyboard friendly wm. look at the fonts one of the default distributed theme uses, if it would be licened to adob or apple it would be bsdl or worse, which ion is not, it's gpl. so there is a free version of helvectica arround in main. |
| 14:01.49 | TBBle | arvind: Well, grab the contents file from a debian archive and check. |
| 14:02.31 | TBBle | arvind: Again, as you've googled, you'll already know that frequently distributions include an alias from helvetica (also often references from postscript documents and latex code) to something else, due to Helvetica being a trademarked name. |
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| 14:03.10 | TBBle | arvind: I'd suggest you apply less disbelief to the web results, since they seem to be both self-consistent and consistent with your current experiences of being undable to find the font. |
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| 14:04.08 | arvind | TBBle, i'll let you know if I find it. |
| 14:05.02 | zOap | how do I scroll in xterm? is it possible? |
| 14:05.04 | TBBle | arvind: Do that. I'd be interested to know. ^_^ |
| 14:05.16 | TBBle | zOap: Shift and page-up/page-down, at least on my keymap. |
| 14:05.28 | zOap | TBBle, I'll try that:) |
| 14:05.50 | zOap | TBBle, aaice:)ah, n |
| 14:06.02 | zOap | sorry, I hate touchpads... |
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| 14:09.23 | kbrooks | chroot: cannot run command `mount': Permission denied |
| 14:09.23 | kbrooks | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/magnet mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 14:09.23 | kbrooks | umount: /mnt/magnet/proc: not mounted |
| 14:09.31 | kbrooks | why? |
| 14:10.03 | TBBle | Does /mnt/magnet/proc exist? |
| 14:10.13 | TBBle | Oh, duh. Read the error. |
| 14:10.22 | kbrooks | i'm on root |
| 14:10.22 | TBBle | Does the chrooting user have permisson to run mount, in the chroot? |
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| 14:10.41 | TBBle | And mount is in the chroot, +x'd? |
| 14:10.43 | jc-denton | hi all |
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| 14:11.12 | gteppel | Why does the default Debian sarge install have four apache directories in /etc even if I only have one apache installed |
| 14:11.27 | jc-denton | can i build 2.6.12 with make-kpkg? |
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| 14:11.31 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a world war |
| 14:11.32 | ravenbird | Pakistan will get turned into a sheet of glass by Iran! |
| 14:11.34 | FieldySnuts | there we go |
| 14:11.50 | opqdonut | when i boot gentoo the net startup script says "keeping kernel configuration for eth0" what does this mean? |
| 14:11.57 | FieldySnuts | opqdonut: wrong channel :) |
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| 14:12.08 | jc-denton | on i686 |
| 14:12.12 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite opqdonut |
| 14:12.12 | ravenbird | opqdonut: why dont ya go spending all your doc on a town bike bloody hell mate |
| 14:12.13 | valdyn | jc-denton: sure |
| 14:12.19 | jc-denton | /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.11/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found |
| 14:12.24 | maybe | hi, i've deleted /var/lib/dpkg/info!!! how can i rebuild it?? please help me this is very important for me |
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| 14:12.35 | opqdonut | oops |
| 14:12.37 | valdyn | jc-denton: that is hardly make-kpkg's fault |
| 14:12.38 | jc-denton | err wrong path |
| 14:12.38 | kbrooks | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 68440 2005-03-22 09:22 /mnt/magnet/bin/mount |
| 14:12.41 | valdyn | !b-e jc-denton |
| 14:12.43 | dpkg | jc-denton: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 14:12.46 | FieldySnuts | opqdonut: hehe i've done it |
| 14:12.57 | kbrooks | @ TBBle |
| 14:13.02 | opqdonut | :) |
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| 14:13.11 | jc-denton | it's installed |
| 14:13.12 | TBBle | maybe: Is this jfil from earlier? |
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| 14:13.27 | jethro | kbrooks: do you have grsecurity preventing the use of mount in chroots? |
| 14:13.37 | K_Dallas | ?j #latex |
| 14:13.38 | maybe | no, i think jfil is my boss :SSS |
| 14:13.39 | kbrooks | jethro, no |
| 14:13.40 | FieldySnuts | good call, look at dmesg to find out |
| 14:13.51 | TBBle | kbrooks: Beats me then. |
| 14:14.02 | TBBle | maybe: Well, in that case... *searches his history* |
| 14:14.14 | kbrooks | root@CPE0050ba557516-CM000039d12a5d:/ # /mnt/magnet/bin/mount |
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| 14:14.14 | kbrooks | bash: /mnt/magnet/bin/mount: Permission denied |
| 14:14.15 | TBBle | "apt-get --download-only `each installed package`; for (each installed package); dpkg-deb -x pkg tmpdir; mv tmpdir/DEBIAN /var/lib/dpkg/info/; done" or something like that. |
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| 14:14.22 | FieldySnuts | i love those features of grsecurity, neat stuff |
| 14:14.24 | maybe | how? TBBle |
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| 14:14.36 | jethro | kbrooks: is mnt/magnet mounted rw, and without noexec ? |
| 14:14.44 | jethro | FieldySnuts: so do I :) |
| 14:15.21 | valdyn | jc-denton: you are running this command directly? |
| 14:15.21 | kbrooks | jethro, it has noexec |
| 14:15.21 | FieldySnuts | i had to allow setting of suid/guid in chroots (rsync server), other than that I have nearly all of the stuff on |
| 14:15.26 | jethro | !lart kbrooks |
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| 14:15.43 | TBBle | maybe: Well, 'each install package' is probably best done with dpkg-query. And I'd check inside a package first, to be sure that the DEBIAN/ directory in a package contains the files it should. (pkgname.info, pkgname.preinst etc) |
| 14:15.44 | jc-denton | valdyn: make-kpkg? |
| 14:15.52 | FieldySnuts | !singlishsmite jethro |
| 14:15.52 | dpkg | jethro: Why so goondu, you? |
| 14:15.59 | valdyn | jc-denton: no, gcc-version.sh |
| 14:16.05 | FieldySnuts | Phated: what is goondu heh |
| 14:16.06 | jethro | kbrooks: you obviously don't want noexec if you want to be able to use executables in mnt/magnet |
| 14:16.11 | jc-denton | valdyn: no |
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| 14:16.27 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Heh. Someone oblivious. |
| 14:16.29 | kbrooks | jethro, how do i fix? |
| 14:16.30 | valdyn | jc-denton: which make-kpkg command did you run then? |
| 14:16.31 | grimse | hi. anyone knows a good tool for visualizing network topologies? |
| 14:16.37 | jethro | kbrooks: man fstab / man mount |
| 14:16.38 | FieldySnuts | know whats fun, is having your web content on a noexec partition. and taking hours to figure out why you can't use cgis. |
| 14:16.45 | jethro | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 14:16.49 | FieldySnuts | "fsck! my config is right!" |
| 14:16.52 | jc-denton | make-kpkg kernel-image |
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| 14:17.16 | FieldySnuts | !kill apps trying to use executables in /tmp |
| 14:17.34 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 14:17.47 | jc-denton | seems to work now |
| 14:17.48 | jc-denton | lol |
| 14:17.48 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a world war |
| 14:17.50 | apt | China will nuke France for the hell of it! |
| 14:17.54 | FieldySnuts | ok there we go |
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| 14:18.03 | jethro | let me move before the nukes |
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| 14:18.04 | maybe | TBBle, thank you, i'll try that, thx very much |
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| 14:18.15 | kbrooks | hmmm |
| 14:18.19 | kbrooks | strange |
| 14:18.41 | jc-denton | how can i enable address space randomation in 2.6.12? |
| 14:18.47 | jethro | jc-denton: pax |
| 14:18.50 | FieldySnuts | jc-denton: with grsecurity or pax patch |
| 14:18.52 | jc-denton | nope |
| 14:18.55 | valdyn | jc-denton: try "MAKEFLAGS='CC=gcc' make-kpkg kernel-image" |
| 14:18.56 | jc-denton | it's built in |
| 14:19.03 | FieldySnuts | it is? |
| 14:19.06 | FieldySnuts | new on me |
| 14:19.08 | jc-denton | valdyn: it works now |
| 14:19.16 | jethro | jc-denton: builtin? |
| 14:19.25 | jc-denton | w/o patching |
| 14:19.29 | FieldySnuts | just patched to 2.6.12 (for later use), i think i'll take a peek |
| 14:19.30 | jethro | jc-denton: in the upstream kernel? |
| 14:19.31 | FieldySnuts | that'd be very cool |
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| 14:19.42 | jc-denton | yes but i'm not sure how |
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| 14:19.52 | jethro | I'll have a look at this too then. |
| 14:19.52 | FieldySnuts | i bet you have to have experimental features on |
| 14:19.53 | eri-- | hello there |
| 14:19.57 | sniker | hi, someones have experience with the package timeout for amd64? |
| 14:19.57 | FieldySnuts | i'm gonna peek, i'll find it |
| 14:20.02 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 14:20.10 | eri-- | can anybody tell me how can i get the debian src with kernel src |
| 14:20.13 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hi hi:) |
| 14:20.16 | eri-- | on my local system>?? |
| 14:20.20 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hello, dahling, how are you? |
| 14:20.26 | FieldySnuts | fuck i have an ant on me brb |
| 14:21.11 | shingouz | eri--: you can apt-get the kernel source. i still think you would be better off if you just grabbed a debian kernel and went with that, compiling kernels is definitely not for newbies |
| 14:21.12 | TBBle | eri--: apt-get source for each relevant package? |
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| 14:21.35 | valdyn | eri--: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 14:21.38 | jethro | eri--: apt-cache search kernel-source then apt-get isnstall one of the pacakges |
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| 14:21.40 | FieldySnuts | i don't see anything about address rand in 2.6.12 vanilla |
| 14:21.45 | kbrooks | okay |
| 14:21.46 | jethro | s/cak/cka/ |
| 14:22.00 | resiak | eri--: Why do you want to roll your own? |
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| 14:22.12 | FieldySnuts | that kind of feature making it in the mainline kernel would have made more noise, as far as I can tell it's not there |
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| 14:22.19 | kbrooks | thats better |
| 14:22.25 | shingouz | eugh.. this is sunday, i'd better forget everything about custom kernels for today |
| 14:22.37 | eri-- | resiak: i just wanna learn it |
| 14:22.40 | jethro | kbrooks: shouldl work better without noexec, indeed. |
| 14:22.42 | paulswm | !prize shingouz |
| 14:22.43 | eri-- | resiak: that's all |
| 14:22.44 | eri-- | :) |
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| 14:22.50 | resiak | eri--: Read d-r |
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| 14:23.01 | resiak | !tell eri-- -about d-r |
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| 14:23.11 | kbrooks | okay |
| 14:23.11 | paulswm | shingouz: I'm doing custom kernels today, however. |
| 14:23.14 | kbrooks | !d-r |
| 14:23.15 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 14:23.17 | shingouz | eri--: you will have a headache. learn how to use the system before you even think about compiling custom kernels is my advice |
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| 14:23.46 | nemo | okeys. what's needed these days to allow one machine to run an X11 app and display to another. (the Xserver has `xhost +` set, and the machine running the client has DISPLAY variable set, but still says it can't connect |
| 14:23.49 | FieldySnuts | i have to agree there, it's nice to be able to do however you can really badgerwangtek your system |
| 14:23.59 | shingouz | paulswm: well... i am not at the moment but i really should roll one so i could get the Bose sound system to work on one of my computers. needs a patch |
| 14:24.02 | FieldySnuts | !sshx |
| 14:24.02 | dpkg | well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 14:24.04 | FieldySnuts | nemo: ^^ |
| 14:24.09 | paulswm | Hah, "badgerwangtek", brilliant |
| 14:24.22 | nemo | FieldySnuts: I've tried `ssh -X`, no go. |
| 14:24.34 | shingouz | i get the feeling that wangtek is not on the top ten best equipment list |
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| 14:24.38 | resiak | nemo: Read the factoid? |
| 14:24.44 | kbrooks | problem fixed\ |
| 14:24.44 | FieldySnuts | nemo: after configuring it on the server side? log in, do echo $DISPLAY , if it's blank, it's not set up right, or sshd wasn't set up or restarted |
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| 14:24.56 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: blame sussudio he made it up |
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| 14:24.59 | bowman | heya |
| 14:25.01 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: badgerwangtek? |
| 14:25.05 | FieldySnuts | hrm. |
| 14:25.11 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: Badger/OS? |
| 14:25.11 | dpkg | badger/os is, like, a tool which lets sussudio accomplish various sales related tasks while working for Compaq |
| 14:25.11 | resiak | :( |
| 14:25.18 | eri-- | shingouz: i am coming from bsd and i am confident with unix system |
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| 14:25.25 | paulswm | eri--: You need to know what you are doing, be sure you understand your hardware and boot requirements before trying a kernel build, and build it the Debian Way, per the debian reference manual |
| 14:25.34 | eri-- | shingouz: i just need to learn kernel compiling package mangement |
| 14:25.37 | shingouz | what is it with badgers on this channel anyways? |
| 14:25.41 | Belboz | Okay guys, here's my problem: I'm trying to compile the latest version of GIMP. I ran into dependancy hell, and now I've got everything installed, but the GIMP configure thinks I have GTK+2.6.4 running, which I don't, I have glib-2.6.4 running. It won't install because it thinks I have two versions of GTK running, but as far as I can tell I don't, any ideas? |
| 14:25.42 | eri-- | shingouz: and things like that |
| 14:25.44 | bowman | I have the 2.4.27-2-686 kernel image installed. How can I switch off that stupid "video mode selection" and its 30 second timeout? |
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| 14:25.55 | shingouz | eri--: /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:25.56 | streuner_ | !badgersmite shingouz |
| 14:26.04 | FieldySnuts | @start a badger war |
| 14:26.09 | streuner_ | shingouz: an inside joke |
| 14:26.09 | resiak | bowman: Remove vga |
| 14:26.10 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:26.17 | streuner_ | shingouz: ;-) |
| 14:26.19 | shingouz | i thought so too.. |
| 14:26.20 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite ravenbird |
| 14:26.21 | dpkg | ravenbird: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell |
| 14:26.25 | resiak | bowman: Remove vga=ask from the kernel boot line |
| 14:26.35 | kbrooks | \heh |
| 14:26.35 | bowman | resiak: ah, thanks |
| 14:26.37 | shingouz | streuner_: and when it comes to draft slips, i have already served my time ;) |
| 14:27.18 | kbrooks | heh |
| 14:27.37 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a world war |
| 14:27.37 | ravenbird | The USA will get flattened by China! |
| 14:27.44 | nemo | xauth is sure on both machines, still no go. sshd has been restarted (though the doco indicated that -X on commandline should override anyway |
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| 14:28.15 | valdyn | nemo: so you edit /etc/ssh/ssh_config on your server? |
| 14:28.17 | sussudio | paulswm: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/userpics/wang.gif |
| 14:28.23 | FieldySnuts | nemo: the key is if you log in vai ssh -X, does echo $DISPLAY show anything |
| 14:28.24 | resiak | nemo: 15:24 < dpkg> well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) |
| 14:28.45 | nemo | it's enabled on both machines in question. |
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| 14:28.53 | nemo | and no, $DISPLAY is empty |
| 14:29.06 | valdyn | nemo: you edit WICH file, ssh_config is FALSE |
| 14:29.08 | FieldySnuts | then either 1) didn't do it right 2) didn't restart sshd |
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| 14:29.10 | Belboz | hey, anyone have any ideas on what I said? |
| 14:29.16 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 14:29.16 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen three-legged platypuses. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:29.21 | FieldySnuts | !blame Belboz |
| 14:29.24 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: fucker, beat me to it heh |
| 14:29.29 | Belboz | thanks guys |
| 14:29.46 | Belboz | hey, I voted for Kerry |
| 14:29.49 | nemo | valdyn: ahh... gotchya |
| 14:29.51 | Belboz | don't blame me |
| 14:29.54 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
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| 14:30.31 | eri-- | why i cannot install to packages at the same time ?? |
| 14:30.36 | paulswm | sussudio: Hah! You are too weird, man :) |
| 14:30.50 | FieldySnuts | come on gimime the one i want |
| 14:30.52 | sussudio | paulswm: BADGERWANG |
| 14:30.53 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a world war |
| 14:30.53 | dpkg | EU 0wnz the USA! |
| 14:30.58 | valdyn | eri--: you cannot do what? |
| 14:31.00 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: badgerwangtek |
| 14:31.05 | nemo | damn that one little 'd' in a configfile name. thanks :) |
| 14:31.06 | valdyn | eri--: run 2 apt-get install at once? |
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| 14:31.26 | Belboz | so uh, is there an easier way of upgrading GIMP? Like, if I change my apt files to testing or something? |
| 14:31.29 | eri-- | run apt-get on 2 different consoles instantly :( |
| 14:31.42 | FieldySnuts | eri--: bad idea. |
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| 14:31.57 | valdyn | eri--: that's an inherent feature of databases, particularily ones that try to be simple |
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| 14:32.04 | eri-- | well i got it but nobody bothered to make some simple synchronization |
| 14:32.12 | eri-- | it is just a limitation |
| 14:32.12 | sussudio | !stab Caesar |
| 14:32.13 | kbrooks | ok |
| 14:32.17 | FieldySnuts | !irritate eri-- |
| 14:32.18 | dpkg | eri--: hi every1 who uses dvd lol |
| 14:32.21 | Belboz | I mean, come on, GIMP 3.0 has been out for months and Debian just went for 2.2? |
| 14:32.28 | FieldySnuts | Belboz: it has? |
| 14:32.33 | kbrooks | i get a warning from perl about locale |
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| 14:32.42 | Belboz | or was it 2.3? |
| 14:32.43 | valdyn | Belboz: gimp 3.0 ? where? |
| 14:32.43 | FieldySnuts | http://www.gimp.org/ check it fool |
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| 14:32.45 | Mobile-Linux | How can I adjust the screen resolution in debian with kde and |
| 14:32.49 | valdyn | Belboz: id like a time machine too =/ |
| 14:32.56 | Belboz | lol, sorry about that guys |
| 14:33.00 | Belboz | it's been a long night |
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| 14:33.05 | kbrooks | Belboz, u on oldstable (woody), stable (sarge), etch or sid? |
| 14:33.05 | FieldySnuts | hehe it happens |
| 14:33.15 | TBBle | kbrooks: Do you have the locale you're in generated? |
| 14:33.16 | Belboz | I was up until 2AM with dependancy hell |
| 14:33.30 | FieldySnuts | are you on a redhat system? |
| 14:33.32 | kbrooks | TBBle, no, how do i generate it? |
| 14:33.34 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
| 14:33.35 | valdyn | Belboz: 2.3 is the development tree afaik, no amount of months gets that into regular debian packages.. |
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| 14:33.54 | FieldySnuts | hell 2.3 isn't even in gentoo </troll> |
| 14:34.06 | paulswm | Anyway, it's "dependency" hell :P |
| 14:34.06 | Belboz | okay, so we are waiting for 2.4 valdyn? |
| 14:34.15 | valdyn | Belboz: no, we use 2.2 |
| 14:34.24 | FieldySnuts | gimp dev version is at 2.3.1, 2.4 is a ways off |
| 14:34.25 | TBBle | kbrooks: 'locale' to check your current locale, and dpkg-reconfigure locales to generate it. |
| 14:35.04 | Belboz | yeah, I looked that up last night and thought I could just switch to 2.3.1 |
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| 14:35.13 | kbrooks | i get three warnings from locale about environment variables |
| 14:35.25 | kbrooks | when i execute it |
| 14:35.26 | Guerin | Belboz: if you're so tired you're getting the number of girls you've ever seen naked mixed up with the version of a free software package, so us all a favour and get some rest. |
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| 14:35.44 | kbrooks | s/warnings/messages/ |
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| 14:35.51 | Rockret | good morning everyone ! How to change setup of monitor ? I cant get 1024x768 after instalation .. |
| 14:35.54 | TBBle | kbrooks: And the are? |
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| 14:36.03 | valdyn | !drxx Rockret |
| 14:36.04 | dpkg | Rockret: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 14:36.28 | kbrooks | TBBle, "locale: Cannot set LC_* to default locale: No such file or directory" |
| 14:36.34 | Belboz | now I've got all the depenencys installed it thinks I have GTK+2.6.4 running but I don't, that's the version of glib that I installed |
| 14:36.35 | kbrooks | (fill in the *) |
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| 14:36.53 | TBBle | kbrooks: That's saying you've not got the default locale generated. Did it say what locale you were in? |
| 14:37.02 | FieldySnuts | Belboz: you're going off and doing your own thing, we can't really help you here |
| 14:37.03 | TBBle | What's 2.4 naked girls? Two nude girls and an underwear ad in a magazine? Three girls wearing nothing but briefs? |
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| 14:37.15 | kbrooks | LANG=en_US @ TBBle |
| 14:37.36 | TBBle | kbrooks: If you put my nick at the front, it highlights for me. ^_^ |
| 14:37.45 | PDpro | I'm contemplating how I would upgrade my GNOME 2.8.3 to 2.10.1, I think I have added the correct Internet repositories to my apt sources. |
| 14:37.48 | TBBle | kbrooks: OK. dpkg-reconfigure locales, and make sure en_US is ticked. |
| 14:37.50 | kbrooks | TBBle, heh, sorry |
| 14:38.17 | TBBle | kbrooks: No wuckers. I usually catch my name anywhere if I'm in window, but if I wander off to get booze from the fridge, I might miss it. |
| 14:38.29 | jethro | TBBle: /help hilight :) |
| 14:38.30 | PDpro | #Debian |
| 14:38.36 | PDpro | Mind sticking to the fucking topic please. |
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| 14:39.14 | kbrooks | PDpro, be nice you useless person |
| 14:39.22 | TBBle | jethro: Funny, I assumed $nick would be in that list by default. Thanks. ^_^ |
| 14:39.42 | FieldySnuts | !troll PDpro |
| 14:39.57 | PDpro | I'll be nice if you give me an answer as to my upgrade that I haven't stretched to solve. |
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| 14:40.04 | Guerin | TBBle: he said 3.0 |
| 14:40.12 | PDpro | Well I'm only trolling because I don't see the channel having the topic of nudity. |
| 14:40.15 | FieldySnuts | making demands on volunteers usually results in a whole lot of nothing. good luck. |
| 14:40.15 | TBBle | Guerin: Oh. Sorry, I was skimming. |
| 14:40.16 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: /msg dpkg qotd71 |
| 14:40.20 | kbrooks | PDpro, trolls dont get help. trolls continue to troll |
| 14:40.27 | PDpro | Or girlfriends, I mean if that's the case, why not use PM. |
| 14:40.42 | TBBle | PDpro: No, you've got that backwards. Be nice, and you might get help. Threats of continuting rudeness are not the answer. |
| 14:40.44 | paulswm | PDpro: Good luck with getting help after your remarks. |
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| 14:41.01 | ricky_clarkson | What's the beef here? |
| 14:41.02 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson, yes i ssaid that, and yes i take back what i just said |
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| 14:41.05 | FieldySnuts | these people are here nearly every single day helping. volunteers. they deserve to stray a little bit, and if they stray a lot, they DO go to tother channels. |
| 14:41.08 | kbrooks | sorry, PDpro |
| 14:41.57 | FieldySnuts | PDpro: now maybe if you restate your question, minus an attitude, people may help, if they desire to or know |
| 14:42.02 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Except sussudio. |
| 14:42.08 | kbrooks | TBBle, |
| 14:42.09 | FieldySnuts | well yeah. that's a given |
| 14:42.13 | si|vercat | when I try to print to my PSC 1300-series it just pops up a hpijs-process and using all the cpu power, anyone got any clues on what might be wrong? |
| 14:42.32 | si|vercat | it has worked before |
| 14:42.32 | kbrooks | heh. |
| 14:42.32 | PDpro | kbrooks, don't apologise there's no need to. FieldySnuts, fair point. |
| 14:42.33 | kbrooks | uhh |
| 14:43.00 | kbrooks | TBBle, hold on a few mins |
| 14:43.09 | FieldySnuts | !vegansmite kbrooks |
| 14:43.13 | kbrooks | n/m |
| 14:43.33 | PDpro | Hello folks, I have little time to figure this out as I have work to do today. Will someone please hint as to how I upgrade my 2.8.3 version of GNOME to 2.10.1 |
| 14:43.43 | kbrooks | where is a clean sources.list for sid? |
| 14:43.45 | ricky_clarkson | PDpro: apt-get install gnome |
| 14:43.56 | FieldySnuts | i doubt that's 2.10.1 |
| 14:44.17 | ricky_clarkson | No, but it will give the latest version for his distribution. |
| 14:44.23 | resiak | PDpro: You don't. Are you running Sarge? |
| 14:44.25 | PDpro | ricky_clarkson, If apt-cache show gnome is displaying 2.8.x files then apt-get is not going to do so? |
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| 14:44.53 | PDpro | resiak, 3.1a yes. |
| 14:44.59 | FieldySnuts | i wouldn't be too upset if you can't get it, it's really not much different |
| 14:45.08 | TBBle | kbrooks: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 14:45.28 | TBBle | kbrooks: Or mirror of your choice. |
| 14:46.04 | resiak | PDpro: You will never get 2.8 with 3.1. Do you actually _need_ it? |
| 14:46.19 | ricky_clarkson | PDpro: Right. What version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:46.25 | kbrooks | okay |
| 14:46.36 | ricky_clarkson | PDpro: What version of Gnome does that version of Debian include? |
| 14:46.48 | TBBle | Well, backports.org might have it oneday, but I wouldn't count on it. And apt-get.org is always a surprising source of random packages |
| 14:47.02 | ricky_clarkson | TBBle: Unofficial packages though. |
| 14:47.06 | ricky_clarkson | [afaik] |
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| 14:47.36 | PDpro | resiak, not critically.r ricky_clarkson: Gnome gnome-session 2.8. 1 -- 3.1A NetInstalled (latest release). |
| 14:47.46 | keraj | how I can make cp -a / ignore /mnt dir ? |
| 14:48.00 | kbrooks | yay. |
| 14:48.07 | ricky_clarkson | PDpro: What version of Gnome does that version of Debian include? |
| 14:48.09 | kbrooks | TBBle, thanks. |
| 14:48.11 | keraj | In other awrds I want copy all / dir but ommit /mnt dir |
| 14:48.21 | PDpro | 2.8.1 |
| 14:48.56 | ricky_clarkson | PDpro: So your options might be to upgrade to sid (remember that sid is unstable), use unofficial packages from elsewhere, build Gnome yourself from source, or look for a Linux distribution which has Gnome 2.10. |
| 14:49.15 | kbrooks | lol |
| 14:49.16 | FieldySnuts | ~aussiesmite gnome 2.10 |
| 14:49.22 | kbrooks | you know what's strange? |
| 14:49.28 | ricky_clarkson | !gentoosmite gnome 2.10 |
| 14:49.34 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 14:49.35 | kbrooks | i thought nano 1.3.7 was old...... |
| 14:49.37 | kbrooks | :) |
| 14:49.57 | kbrooks | as in 1.2.4 |
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| 14:50.28 | PDpro | ricky_clarkson, alternatively I could use alien to convert GNOME 2.10.1 Rpms to Debs. |
| 14:50.32 | resiak | PDpro: NO |
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| 14:50.36 | FieldySnuts | PDpro: f*ck no. |
| 14:50.37 | kbrooks | NO |
| 14:50.39 | ricky_clarkson | PDpro: Alien is generally a bad idea. |
| 14:50.39 | QaDeS | is there an apt package for jdk 1.5? |
| 14:50.45 | ricky_clarkson | QaDeS: java-package |
| 14:50.47 | kbrooks | alien == evil |
| 14:50.49 | PDpro | Explain. |
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| 14:50.52 | asg | QaDeS: /msg dpkg install java |
| 14:50.53 | PDpro | Please |
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| 14:51.04 | FieldySnuts | i don't even feel like getting into it, as if it isn't obvious |
| 14:51.07 | kbrooks | ok, so..how can i make this new chroot bootable? |
| 14:51.08 | QaDeS | so 1.5 is the default? :oD cool |
| 14:51.12 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite PDpro |
| 14:51.12 | ravenbird | PDpro: heh im going to the dunny to wank with my donger mate |
| 14:51.22 | ricky_clarkson | PDpro: RPMs are designed for other distributions. Installing an RPM on Debian may cause trouble. |
| 14:51.24 | FieldySnuts | haha who modified that |
| 14:51.26 | QaDeS | ...and for eclipse? ^^ |
| 14:51.33 | ricky_clarkson | QaDeS: eclipse |
| 14:51.37 | FieldySnuts | made me laugh, thanks |
| 14:51.40 | ricky_clarkson | !info eclipse |
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| 14:51.59 | kbrooks | back |
| 14:52.01 | kbrooks | sorry |
| 14:52.02 | kbrooks | :P |
| 14:52.02 | FieldySnuts | how do i get factinfo on a CMD? |
| 14:52.16 | Setog3 | ricky_clarkson, wow eclipse http://www.vossey.com/image/gallery2/main.php/d/10734-1/auldhaven06.jpg <-- fun |
| 14:52.21 | ricky_clarkson | !factinfo cmd: aussiesmite (.*?) |
| 14:52.21 | dpkg | CMD: aussiesmite (.*?) -- created by FieldySnuts <geiFBq3415@fieldysnuts.user> at Sat Jun 4 15:08:38 2005 (14 days). |
| 14:52.22 | shingouz | literal cmd: command |
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| 14:52.22 | asg | FieldySnuts: !factinfo cmd: <factoid> (.*?) |
| 14:52.33 | FieldySnuts | no wonder I can never remember that |
| 14:52.38 | PDpro | Understandable, I can see the reasons are obvious but it may be the case that the libs are stored in the same positions etc. |
| 14:52.43 | TBBle | ricky_clarkson: True, they're unofficial, and scary. I like backports.org though because at least it's DD uploads based on archive packages. (As opposed to random files => package and put on 'net ^_^) |
| 14:52.46 | PDpro | Which is not very likely, but possible. |
| 14:52.53 | shivraj | happy father's day everyone |
| 14:52.54 | ricky_clarkson | PDpro: I wouldn't risk it on a machine I wanted to use. |
| 14:53.01 | FieldySnuts | you're gonna break stuff. wanna do it go ahead, looks like we can't stop you. |
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| 14:53.14 | FieldySnuts | but when you install things like that the non-debian way, please don't come here and ask for help, we won't be able to |
| 14:53.25 | kbrooks | i have a question |
| 14:53.30 | ricky_clarkson | I have an answer. |
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| 14:53.33 | ricky_clarkson | I hope they match. |
| 14:53.35 | shingouz | 42 |
| 14:53.36 | PDpro | :) Haha, ok guys, I'll stick to the old version of Gnome and stop being a demanding up-to-date config monkey. |
| 14:53.39 | kbrooks | lol |
| 14:53.44 | QaDeS | a fresh debian shouldn't freeze while downloading packages, right? o.O |
| 14:53.56 | ricky_clarkson | QaDeS: Define 'freeze'. |
| 14:53.56 | jethro | shingouz: :) |
| 14:54.11 | ricky_clarkson | The console, all the consoles, XFree86, apt-get, what? |
| 14:54.13 | QaDeS | hang the computer |
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| 14:54.19 | ricky_clarkson | Which bit of the computer. |
| 14:54.20 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 14:54.22 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson, are you......someone? i remember you saying that once when i joined this channnel. was that 'someone' you? |
| 14:54.30 | QaDeS | like...screen's on, but it doesn't react in any way |
| 14:54.36 | shivraj | ricky_clarkson : are u related to kelly clarkson ? |
| 14:54.37 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: What? |
| 14:54.42 | asg | QaDeS: does CTRL+q unfreeze it |
| 14:54.46 | ricky_clarkson | shivraj: Are you related to Raj Persaud? |
| 14:54.51 | QaDeS | didn't try ^^ |
| 14:54.55 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite me |
| 14:54.56 | ravenbird | fieldysnuts: cheerio mate |
| 14:54.56 | ricky_clarkson | shivraj: Are you related to the word 'shiver'? |
| 14:54.59 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
| 14:55.08 | kbrooks | oh n/m. someone else then, ricky_clarkson |
| 14:55.10 | shivraj | no~ |
| 14:55.13 | kbrooks | anyway |
| 14:55.19 | kbrooks | my question. |
| 14:55.25 | QaDeS | but i don't think so. even num-lock doesn't make the keyboard led go light |
| 14:55.28 | jethro | !tell kbrooks -about enter |
| 14:55.30 | QaDeS | light up |
| 14:55.34 | QaDeS | whatever. doesn't do |
| 14:55.53 | asg | QaDeS: then I'd say something has gone horribly wrong somewhere. |
| 14:56.09 | kbrooks | how can i make this chroot bootable. or at least login-able |
| 14:56.31 | kbrooks | i created it with debootstrap |
| 14:56.34 | jethro | kbrooks: use it with uml |
| 14:56.46 | TBBle | You can UML a chroot? |
| 14:56.54 | asg | kbrooks: run sshd in it, ssh to it. |
| 14:57.02 | hoe | hi, the iptables are sending from time to time some err msg to my console thus destroying irssi/anything, how do I redirect these msgs to file/somewhere? //I noticed that every err in debian is sent to stdout, it would be nice if these were sent to file/tty8/... |
| 14:57.05 | jethro | TBBle: you use the filesystems you just built with debootstrap |
| 14:57.10 | jethro | s/tems/tem/ |
| 14:57.12 | asg | hoe: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 14:57.16 | kbrooks | jethro, that's the problem. Ubuntu and Debian aren't ABI compatible |
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| 14:57.29 | resiak | ... |
| 14:57.30 | jethro | kbrooks: ubuntu? |
| 14:57.35 | asg | hoe: or edit your /etc/syslog.conf |
| 14:57.48 | ricky_clarkson | QaDeS: Are you in X? |
| 14:57.49 | kbrooks | jethro, yes, ubuntu |
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| 14:58.16 | shivraj | ricky_clarkson how did u know my last name was persaud ? |
| 14:58.23 | jethro | kbrooks: I don't get your point. what does ubuntu have to do with uml ? |
| 14:58.25 | ricky_clarkson | QaDeS: Ctrl-Alt-F1? Replace the keyboard? telnet/ssh into it from elsewhere? |
| 14:58.30 | ricky_clarkson | shivraj: Hehe. |
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| 14:59.02 | kbrooks | jethro, i cannot just ADD sid to my sources.list and expect uml to work automatically |
| 14:59.06 | shingouz | shivraj: you do not have your tinfoil hat on, he read your mind ;) |
| 14:59.17 | jethro | kbrooks: what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 14:59.36 | ricky_clarkson | shivraj: I also know you are in New York City, and that man about to knock on your door has a gun. |
| 14:59.57 | TBBle | Maybe UML stands for something different in Ubuntu than Debian? |
| 15:00.03 | kbrooks | TBBle, no |
| 15:00.10 | kbrooks | uml == user mode linux |
| 15:00.17 | jethro | kbrooks: build a debian filesystem with debootstrap, then build a uml kernel, then ./kernel ubd0=yourfs |
| 15:00.22 | shivraj | did u gooogle shivraj ??? |
| 15:00.22 | ricky_clarkson | Unified Modeling Language |
| 15:00.32 | kbrooks | TBBle, lok. ubuntu and debian arent compatible with each other. |
| 15:00.33 | ricky_clarkson | shivraj: No, there is a famous Raj Persaud. |
| 15:00.39 | PDpro | Anyone have any recommendations on an out-of-box distro for my laptop which is a Toshiba A60 Celeron? |
| 15:00.51 | TBBle | kbrooks: I realise that. I just don't see what that has to do with the rest of the conversation, or your question. |
| 15:00.53 | jethro | kbrooks: you're just full of FUD |
| 15:00.59 | kbrooks | jethro, uml kernel...ok |
| 15:00.59 | asg | PDpro: Debian, obviously. |
| 15:01.15 | initech | wtf does "out of box" mean? |
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| 15:01.17 | shingouz | !tell PDpro about laptop |
| 15:01.24 | asg | initech: lazy user |
| 15:01.31 | kbrooks | jethro, okay then |
| 15:01.45 | burnez | hey, guys! can somebody exlpain to me, how i can use libtrash within the rox-filer? |
| 15:01.48 | initech | "out the box" mean "crazy" where I am |
| 15:01.49 | liable | initech: works straight away? no fucking about? |
| 15:01.56 | resiak | PDpro: May not work. Debian has problems with new chipsets |
| 15:02.01 | ricky_clarkson | initech: Trailer-park trash? |
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| 15:02.11 | TBBle | Debian has problems with wha? |
| 15:02.18 | Covener | Has anyone seen irssi-text start losing random characters? I'm seeing a lot of words in system messages run together as if the space has been ripped out e.g "#debianwas synced" |
| 15:02.44 | PDpro | resiak, That's my point exactly the precompiled kernels aren't too friendly towards it, even the 2.6 refuses and I don't want to recompile. |
| 15:02.48 | initech | ricky_clarkson: ? |
| 15:03.02 | PDpro | I don't have time, I have a supervised assignment to do tomorrow. |
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| 15:03.22 | resiak | PDpro: You _might_ have more luck with Ubuntu, until Etch CDs that work better exist |
| 15:03.37 | ricky_clarkson | This storm could be a whopper. |
| 15:03.51 | QaDeS | hmmm is there something like apt-get install kernel-6.1? ^^ |
| 15:03.56 | QaDeS | 2.6 geez |
| 15:04.00 | initech | ricky_clarkson: ssh. it's hurricane season here |
| 15:04.08 | paulswm | PDpro: I've heard that ubuntu is good with laptops, but I've heard mixed reviews. I personaly use debian etch on mine, but the hardware is two years old. |
| 15:04.30 | resiak | QaDeS: apt-cache search --names-only kernel-image-2.6 |
| 15:04.55 | QaDeS | okay, great :oD ty |
| 15:05.02 | ricky_clarkson | initech: Is that like trout season? |
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| 15:05.58 | QaDeS | there's no GUI for the apt tools, is there? |
| 15:05.59 | PDpro | resiak, thanks. paulswm, thanks. Well basically Toshiba have nasty chipsets and motherboards so I'm looking for something that will bridge my cardbus input without me posting around everywhere. |
| 15:06.06 | TBBle | QaDeS: Synaptic? |
| 15:06.26 | QaDeS | apt-get install synaptic? :D |
| 15:06.32 | TBBle | Yeah, do that. |
| 15:06.37 | QaDeS | kewlz |
| 15:06.44 | raf256 | apt-get install sex |
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| 15:06.46 | raf256 | \o/ |
| 15:06.57 | resiak | PDpro: Debian works really well on my slightly older Toshiba A50 ;) |
| 15:06.58 | paulswm | PDpro: Well for a quick fix you could try ubuntu or possibly SuSe, someone got their wireless card working with SuSe out of the box, I think |
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| 15:07.10 | TBBle | Dependancies unresolvable: Wanted girlfried, but girlfriend conflicts with wife 1.0 |
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| 15:07.15 | PDpro | paulswm, 9.3? |
| 15:07.32 | raf256 | TBBle: how about chroot /home/borthel/room69/ |
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| 15:07.40 | paulswm | PDpro: Not sure, it was yesterday, so presumably the latest. |
| 15:07.45 | PDpro | resiak, the laptops are varied and I forgot to mention it's a satellite. |
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| 15:07.53 | resiak | PDpro: Try Ubuntu before SuSE, but yes, 9.3 |
| 15:08.14 | resiak | PDpro: So is mine. It's an older chipset. I was just boasting ;) |
| 15:09.05 | Marticus | sigh |
| 15:09.07 | shingouz | TBBle: dpkg --purge wife? |
| 15:09.09 | Marticus | well... time to update |
| 15:09.17 | TBBle | raf256: As long as you don't acceidentally run wife in the chroot. |
| 15:09.30 | QaDeS | loool this thing installes appletalk *g* good joke |
| 15:09.44 | TBBle | cannot purge wife, depedancies from marriage-vows, half-worldly-possesions |
| 15:09.44 | ricky_clarkson | Dependencies unresolved, wanted girlfriend but girlfriend conflicts with sanity 2.3 |
| 15:09.46 | FieldySnuts | running your wife outside a chroot is probably bad, unless you want kids |
| 15:10.28 | TBBle | Incautious access of wife may cause child processes to be spawned? |
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| 15:10.39 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 15:10.41 | liable | oh dear |
| 15:10.42 | kbrooks | lol |
| 15:10.43 | QaDeS | mount; fsck; umount; sleep |
| 15:10.48 | ricky_clarkson | http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/lyrics.txt |
| 15:10.50 | greycat | !sex |
| 15:10.50 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 15:11.40 | paulswm | To uninstall spouse packages, "$god_has_finished_punishing_me" must first resolve to 'true' |
| 15:12.23 | ricky_clarkson | bash.org takes months to approve/reject quotes. |
| 15:12.30 | liable | hmmm, mariage, you get less time for murder. |
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| 15:13.00 | kbrooks | lool |
| 15:13.17 | ricky_clarkson | I dreamed that I married my girlfriend, and forgot to invite my mum to the wedding, so she went bonkers. |
| 15:13.21 | FieldySnuts | tip: preview when submitting. the moderators see that you did and they might like you more |
| 15:13.35 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: better than vice vera :P |
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| 15:13.40 | paulswm | versa* |
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| 15:13.50 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: I am not Texan. |
| 15:14.01 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 15:14.02 | apt | Muslims rule! |
| 15:14.10 | ricky_clarkson | "This is my mother and wife, Madeline." |
| 15:14.26 | raf256 | !bushsmite foobar |
| 15:14.34 | raf256 | there should be a bushsmite! |
| 15:14.36 | ricky_clarkson | !rot13 bushpx |
| 15:14.36 | dpkg | ohfuck |
| 15:14.40 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 15:14.42 | FieldySnuts | HAHAHAH |
| 15:14.44 | raf256 | lol |
| 15:14.56 | greycat | raf256: go ahead and make one |
| 15:15.01 | FieldySnuts | bushpx would be a good nick, it would take years for anyone to get it |
| 15:15.15 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: I'd get it immediately. |
| 15:15.16 | raf256 | greycat: in what language/API should I submit patch to dpkg bot? can it be C? |
| 15:15.21 | FieldySnuts | weirdo |
| 15:15.24 | greycat | raf256: don't be a moron. |
| 15:15.35 | raf256 | greycat: elaborate... |
| 15:15.37 | FieldySnuts | !moron raf256 |
| 15:15.38 | dpkg | raf256: You are moron #59 |
| 15:15.54 | FieldySnuts | haven't seen that one in a while |
| 15:16.03 | Phated | Haven't been around, have you. :) |
| 15:16.04 | greycat | !literal CMD: ubuntusmite (.*?) |
| 15:16.05 | dpkg | CMD: ubuntusmite (.*?) is ($1): <action> takes away all the CO2 in the air around $1 and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!" |
| 15:16.11 | ricky_clarkson | raf256: !bushsmite $1 is <action>interrogatorizers $1 and locks it up for (3|6|9) (months|years) for fun. |
| 15:16.18 | raf256 | k |
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| 15:16.35 | raf256 | !moron FieldySnuts |
| 15:16.36 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: You are moron #17 |
| 15:16.43 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 15:16.43 | ricky_clarkson | !mormon raf256 |
| 15:16.51 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:16.55 | raf256 | ricky_clarkson: learn to spell first |
| 15:17.04 | ricky_clarkson | mormon $1 used to be in there. |
| 15:17.08 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 15:17.15 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a world war |
| 15:17.16 | ravenbird | India will get its ass kicked by Pakistan! |
| 15:17.21 | Phated | He is, the people who write his factoids aren't. |
| 15:17.28 | aliumalik | I am on a network which requires a windows NT domain authentication to allow access to the internet but I wanna do a sid install (netinst) is there any way I can do that? |
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| 15:17.36 | Phated | Sorry, she/her/ |
| 15:17.37 | nik86 | hiya |
| 15:17.39 | beardy | ravenbird: And you complain about spelling.. |
| 15:17.40 | ravenbird | beardy: are you using Windows? |
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| 15:17.48 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 15:17.52 | nik86 | if i am using dpkg-source i get the following error: http://evir.de/misc/fglrx-source-error.txt how come? |
| 15:17.52 | beardy | haha |
| 15:17.53 | FieldySnuts | beardy: what needs corrected? |
| 15:17.58 | beardy | I meant raf256 |
| 15:17.59 | TBBle | aliumalik: DOMAIN\username for the username. Possible \\ depending on where you're inputting it. |
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| 15:18.03 | FieldySnuts | oh |
| 15:18.21 | FieldySnuts | might also be username@DOMAIN |
| 15:18.29 | aliumalik | TBBle: how can I run samba before the netinst image setup? :S |
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| 15:18.36 | FieldySnuts | course the app has to have support for ntlm compiled in, good luck |
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| 15:19.02 | paulswm | Phated: *shrug* it was a serious remark, dpkg is what people make it |
| 15:19.12 | TBBle | aliumalik: Oh, it's not just an ISA proxy you're trying to get past? |
| 15:19.19 | Phated | paulswm: *hugs* Yes, deary. |
| 15:19.28 | paulswm | Phated: :D |
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| 15:19.43 | aliumalik | TBBle: no, need to log on a domain |
| 15:19.54 | paulswm | That is just far too much information. |
| 15:20.01 | TBBle | aliumalik: And what, that opens a firewall port for you? |
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| 15:20.20 | FieldySnuts | that might get nasty, though |
| 15:20.21 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Do you know the book "Eats, shoots and leaves"? |
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| 15:20.43 | aliumalik | TBBle: no then it allows me to access the internet (and then download the packages). It is a university domain |
| 15:20.51 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: Yes, now I see what you mean |
| 15:20.55 | TBBle | aliumalik: How do you access the Internet? |
| 15:21.01 | TBBle | aliumalik: Do you have to use a proxy? |
| 15:21.01 | paulswm | !wtmi |
| 15:21.02 | dpkg | wtmi is probably waaaay too much information |
| 15:21.22 | aliumalik | TBBle: by logging on to a WinNT domain or by using a VPN client |
| 15:21.28 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: There is a mickey-take book based on it - Eats, Shites and Leaves. |
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| 15:21.46 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: Ah.. Now I fully understand. |
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| 15:22.09 | TBBle | aliumalik: But what does logging on to the WinNT domain actually do? |
| 15:22.24 | ricky_clarkson | Does it make trees crash to the ground, TBBle? |
| 15:22.24 | cunumen | Does using colon : in filenames ever cause problems or is that allright? |
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| 15:22.42 | aliumalik | TBBle: it allows the user access to the LAN and internet through the university |
| 15:23.10 | TBBle | aliumalik: OK, so it actually _does_ open a firewall port for you? In that case, you'll need to do a full install |
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| 15:23.26 | raf256 | !xxx1 |
| 15:23.27 | raf256 | !xxxx1 |
| 15:23.27 | dpkg | i heard xxxx1 is literal CMD: ubuntusmite |
| 15:23.32 | raf256 | damn |
| 15:23.35 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
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| 15:24.07 | aliumalik | TBBle: sigh...no way to make a custom install cd? :P |
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| 15:24.31 | ricky_clarkson | Fuck The What?! |
| 15:25.00 | FieldySnuts | you did what with who for how much? |
| 15:25.06 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: what does ricky_clarkson pay you for? |
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| 15:25.09 | dpkg | often ricky_clarkson pays me for genital shaving, fieldysnuts, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 15:25.15 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:25.27 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: You were rubbish last time. |
| 15:25.34 | kbrooks | LOL dpkg |
| 15:25.35 | Phated | Oooh, harsh. |
| 15:25.40 | FieldySnuts | damn |
| 15:25.49 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: say ricky_clarkson: :( |
| 15:25.50 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: :( |
| 15:26.04 | FieldySnuts | brb food! |
| 15:26.14 | raf256 | !food |
| 15:26.15 | dpkg | methinks food is "any substance that can be metabolized by an organism to give energy and build tissue," according to WordNet 2.0. Electricity for humans. |
| 15:26.31 | ricky_clarkson | If /bob and /part are in a room, and /bob leaves, who is left? |
| 15:26.34 | black13 | time for breakfast? |
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| 15:26.40 | black13 | bacon and eggs |
| 15:26.44 | TBBle | aliumalik: I wouldn't fancy my odds of doing it for a smb login client. Otherwise, ask your admins to install a web cache, apt-proxy or apt-cache on a server accessable without login? |
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| 15:30.40 | Marticus | that's great... |
| 15:30.47 | Marticus | flex won't update |
| 15:31.09 | Marticus | unless you say Yes to the dialog box |
| 15:31.17 | Marticus | and the update wont complete |
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| 15:34.26 | keraj | how do i `cp -a /proc directory` ? i get it coppied all the time untill my hdd isn't full |
| 15:35.25 | caphuso | keraj: don't copy /proc |
| 15:35.35 | caphuso | don't even think about it |
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| 15:36.55 | TBBle | keraj: You're one question too far in. You actually want to ask us the question to which your mistaken answer was 'cp -a /proc somewhere' |
| 15:36.55 | greycat | !sing sunday |
| 15:36.55 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 15:37.55 | aw | is there a prestablished list of steps necessary to create a debian port to anoder kernel? |
| 15:38.39 | FieldySnuts | greycat loves Sunday. |
| 15:39.05 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: don't you? |
| 15:39.08 | shingouz | ;) |
| 15:39.14 | FieldySnuts | not really |
| 15:39.27 | FieldySnuts | make oldconfig is my favorite |
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| 15:40.48 | TBBle | aw: Another kernel? It's only happened a handful of times, so I doubt it... You could ask around though. I think it involves getting glibc and build-essential built against the kernel, and then starting to build other packages as you can meet their build-deps. |
| 15:40.57 | nemo | anyone done any DVD burning? I'm getting a headache on this. kernel 2.6.8 |
| 15:41.17 | black13 | is anyone familiare with using 1:2345:respawn:/bin/bash -login >/dev/tty1 2>&1 </dev/tty1 |
| 15:41.24 | cantona | aptitute is better than apt-get ? |
| 15:41.36 | FieldySnuts | !start a package management war |
| 15:41.36 | dpkg | I'm a whole hell of a lot better than that dselect crap! |
| 15:41.40 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 15:41.50 | black13 | as an entry in the inittab to autologin? |
| 15:42.12 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a package management war |
| 15:42.13 | apt | I'm a whole hell of a lot better than that dselect crap! |
| 15:42.19 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:42.22 | nemo | black13: I used to use `rungetty` for that kinda stuff. run an arbitrary program in fact |
| 15:42.35 | nemo | black13: though I'm sure mingetty can do it better these days. |
| 15:42.41 | FieldySnuts | that's good, ravenbird doesn't have it |
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| 15:43.29 | black13 | nemo, the following method i mention works fine and is reliable but has a nasty side effect |
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| 15:43.38 | black13 | it sets / as the home directory |
| 15:44.05 | nemo | black13: which is why rungetty is nice, from memory. it runs what you want as any user you want. :) |
| 15:44.08 | Marticus | bah, I was hoping for at least glibc2.3 in sarge |
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| 15:44.56 | black13 | nemo, ill look it up. |
| 15:44.56 | caphuso | Marticus: and you get 2.3.2. even better, i'd say |
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| 15:45.22 | black13 | nemo, damn small linux uses the technigue i mentioned |
| 15:45.25 | keraj | TBBle, so if I want to make a backup of root partition.. how do I copy //proc dir ? |
| 15:45.37 | black13 | nemo, just as a note |
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| 15:45.41 | nemo | black13: no doubt. cos they're not wanting to install extra packages |
| 15:46.08 | nemo | black13: note that the last time I cared about running lots of stuff on console, it was 1998 |
| 15:46.25 | rbochan | I'm new to using grub, is there an equivalent of lilo's "message=/path/to/message" for grub's menu.lst? |
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| 15:47.22 | rbochan | I'm using Sid, btw |
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| 15:47.48 | black13 | nemo, huh dont getcha |
| 15:47.48 | paster | "GNAA-BOT" at 136.145.54.123 pasted "[GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO TO HELIX AND PHATED" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/234 |
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| 15:47.54 | QaDeS | apt-get can't find java-package :o/ |
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| 15:48.06 | paster | "GNAA-BOT" at 136.145.54.123 pasted "[GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO TO HELIX AND PHATED" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/235 |
| 15:48.06 | QaDeS | where do i get this now? |
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| 15:48.16 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 15:48.33 | paster | "GNAA-BOT" at 212.202.51.98 pasted "[GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO TO HELIX AND PHATED" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/236 |
| 15:48.38 | FieldySnuts | @ops gnaa |
| 15:48.39 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gnaa |
| 15:48.44 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: idiot |
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| 15:48.48 | paster | "GNAA-BOT" at 212.202.51.98 pasted "[GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO TO HELIX AND PHATED" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/237 |
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| 15:48.52 | FieldySnuts | what? |
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| 15:49.07 | QaDeS | i need jdk 1.5 installed on my box |
| 15:49.14 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: there's no point in asking for the ops when i'm already handling the problem, now is there? |
| 15:49.16 | paster | "GNAA-BOT" at 221.254.203.118 pasted "[GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO TO HELIX AND PHATED" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/238 |
| 15:49.16 | nemo | black13: I ran alot of console stuff via mingetty (irc bots, log watchers, distributd net, etc) on consoles automatically... via rungetty... but that was 1998, and I haven't looked into it since. |
| 15:49.26 | caphuso | this is too stupid... |
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| 15:49.34 | QaDeS | and there doesn't seen to be an easy way, and there's files missing for the hard way :( |
| 15:49.39 | bob2__ | wtf |
| 15:49.41 | black13 | nemo, oh |
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| 15:49.51 | nemo | black13: the respawn of bash directly method was rejected back then as being primitive and simplistic, and I doubt that's changed. if you want a 'real' environment, it just wont cut it. |
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| 15:49.55 | Phated | Wooo, pasterspam! |
| 15:50.06 | bob2__ | from japan this time |
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| 15:50.12 | Phated | What, only me and helix? what about Fieldy? |
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| 15:50.25 | FieldySnuts | not special enough |
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| 15:50.34 | Phated | :( |
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| 15:51.07 | black13 | nemo, hey i will look at rungetty what can it hurt |
| 15:51.39 | black13 | nemo, i had been using the bash -login but now it doesnt work correctly |
| 15:52.01 | nemo | black13: no idea on that. sorry |
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| 15:52.45 | black13 | nemo, and i dont know why ... man page for bash say bash -login says it loads /etc/profile but when i try to set the HOME env ... somehow that gets obliterated |
| 15:52.47 | TBBle | keraj: /proc is autocreated by the kernel. You don't need to back it up. |
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| 15:55.06 | valdyn | black13: how are you setting it? |
| 15:55.10 | keraj | TBBle, so you mean, I there is no /proc dir kernel will auto create it ? |
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| 15:55.26 | Marticus | caphuso really? the only pakage I see with 2.3.2 in the name is the doc package |
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| 15:55.36 | bob2 | keraj: it doesn't exist on disk |
| 15:55.37 | caphuso | !info libc6 sarge |
| 15:55.41 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 15:55.42 | TBBle | keraj: No, if you mount an fs of type proc somewhere, all the stuff you see and need in /proc will be there. |
| 15:55.48 | synic | anyone know if there's a command to switch virtual terminals (a command, not a keystroke) ? |
| 15:55.53 | caphuso | Marticus: see the "Version: 2.3.2..."? |
| 15:55.54 | Marticus | oops nevermind |
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| 15:55.56 | caphuso | case closed |
| 15:55.58 | keraj | I see |
| 15:56.01 | rbochan | I'm on a fresh Sid install (via Sarge installer), and I'm new to using grub, is there an equivalent of lilo's "message=/path/to/message" for grub's menu.lst? |
| 15:56.03 | keraj | So I don't copy it |
| 15:56.05 | caphuso | synic: chvt |
| 15:56.05 | TBBle | keraj: Normally, you mount it in /proc so things can find it, but that's just one example of usage. |
| 15:56.09 | synic | caphuso: thanks |
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| 16:02.39 | kbrooks | how do i make this sid chroot bootable with grub? |
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| 16:03.02 | PDpro | Is anyone aware of how I can enable settings on the kernel/alsa which will enable me to share my soundcard simultaneously. |
| 16:03.13 | bob2 | that's nothing to do with the kernel |
| 16:03.27 | bob2 | PDpro: alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 16:03.27 | PDpro | bob2, explain. |
| 16:03.34 | PDpro | Thanks, I love you. |
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| 16:05.09 | rbochan | I'm on a fresh Sid install (via Sarge installer), and I'm new to using grub, is there an equivalent of lilo's "message=/path/to/message" for grub's menu.lst? |
| 16:05.49 | bob2 | you'd have more luck if you told us what that option is supposed to do |
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| 16:06.12 | rbochan | it replaces the 'boot menu' with a customized message |
| 16:06.23 | rbochan | at least, in lilo |
| 16:07.26 | jetx | wtf does ld do |
| 16:07.28 | rbochan | I know I can do it using lilo, but grub is installed by default now, so I'm trying to make use of that first |
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| 16:07.57 | bob2 | jetx: it's the compile time linker |
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| 16:08.33 | jetx | i guess asking wtf is linking isn't for this chan... :/ sounds off topic kinda |
| 16:08.41 | jetx | or nooby |
| 16:08.59 | bob2 | no, it's just too complicated to explain from nothing |
| 16:09.03 | jetx | right |
| 16:09.08 | bob2 | it's to do with making use of libraries |
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| 16:09.42 | kbrooks | Why can't i install the kernel image in the sid chroot i made? |
| 16:10.04 | bob2 | I don't know |
| 16:10.09 | bob2 | maybe you could tell us the error? |
| 16:10.12 | lauraw | rbochan: I can't find anything in the grub info document (in grub-doc) to display a message |
| 16:10.13 | yus | Hi all, please how can i kill the x server without inmedialy restart? im trying to upgrade to xorg |
| 16:10.24 | kbrooks | bob2: |
| 16:10.30 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.37 | resiak | yus: Why? |
| 16:11.06 | jetx | or if you did startx ctrl alt bckspace |
| 16:11.07 | resiak | yus: Should you be messing with that? |
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| 16:11.07 | rbochan | lauraw: I noticed that myself, I've been told of a 'gfxmenu', but that was from a SuSE user, and I think it might be SuSE-specific |
| 16:11.37 | yus | Why? i want to try other xserver |
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| 16:12.02 | yus | and i hope better performance in opengl |
| 16:12.11 | jetx | yus, as long as you realize if you break it you fix it and don't cry, who cares if you do |
| 16:12.33 | kbrooks | Setting up kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 (2.6.8-16) ... |
| 16:12.33 | kbrooks | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device |
| 16:12.33 | kbrooks | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 16:12.44 | kbrooks | in the sid chroot |
| 16:12.55 | resiak | yus: Okay. You're on your own if it all falls apart. |
| 16:13.13 | kbrooks | i know yall dont support sid, but i'd like at least some help |
| 16:13.30 | yus | i have my backup and my debian instalation cds, long time and dome to eat ;) i want learn |
| 16:13.37 | yus | some to eat |
| 16:13.39 | resiak | yus: Fair enough. |
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| 16:13.48 | valdyn | kbrooks: no idea what mkinitrd exactly looks for, but if you type 'mount' in your chroot you might notice how fucked it is |
| 16:13.56 | jetx | i think he said he's loaded for bear |
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| 16:14.22 | valdyn | kbrooks: since chroot doesnt setup your mtab properly |
| 16:14.39 | kbrooks | valdyn, uh, do i have to do it myself |
| 16:14.57 | jetx | valdyn: so what would happen if you edited the mtab and tried to install it, i wonder |
| 16:15.07 | kbrooks | ok |
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| 16:15.11 | kbrooks | fixed |
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| 16:15.18 | valdyn | jetx: no idea since i dont know what mkinitrd looks for |
| 16:15.24 | valdyn | kbrooks: fixed how? |
| 16:15.49 | kbrooks | root@kyleb:~ # cp /proc/mounts /mnt/magnet/etc/mtab |
| 16:16.00 | kbrooks | outside of the chroot..... |
| 16:16.00 | valdyn | kbrooks: ah, i see |
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| 16:16.08 | jetx | hey kbrooks, did you try the debtakeover, is this what that is? |
| 16:16.18 | kbrooks | jetx, no |
| 16:16.19 | valdyn | kbrooks: now your mtab is still fucked but, its good for mkinitrd i guess |
| 16:16.22 | jetx | ah |
| 16:16.23 | kbrooks | debotstrap |
| 16:16.31 | jetx | ah ah |
| 16:16.38 | kbrooks | valdyn, still fucked |
| 16:17.01 | resiak | kbrooks: Yes, because that mtab still isn't right for the chroot |
| 16:17.11 | gteppel | How would I restrict root from logging into my box, meaning that the user has to first log in with a regular account and then su to root. I've already restricted this for ssh, but I'm not sure how do accomplish this for the actually physical box |
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| 16:17.21 | black13 | nemo, here is what i have found out so far /sbin/rungetty -u root tty1 /script |
| 16:17.25 | valdyn | kbrooks: yea, showing mountpoints that do not exist in your chroot. Also your installed grub might be looking in the wrong directory / disk now, i dont know |
| 16:17.38 | nemo | black13: sounds vaguelly familiar |
| 16:17.40 | Sip | I installed debian in an external USB HDD but when booting I get the message "pivot_root: No such file or directory", and "/sbin/init: 432:cannot open dev/console: No such file", any ideas? |
| 16:17.40 | kbrooks | overwrote both files....(/proc/mounts and /etc/mtab) and exited from the chroot |
| 16:17.56 | resiak | !any ideas |
| 16:17.56 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and a handful of rabid kittens. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 16:18.03 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:18.09 | nemo | black13: I used to run a whole bunch of stuff on tty13 through 24. mostly logs, but one was a figlet clock ;) |
| 16:18.11 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: vegemite? |
| 16:18.11 | dpkg | from memory, vegemite is like sump oil |
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| 16:18.44 | FieldySnuts | http://www.vegemite.com.au/ yummy for the whole family! |
| 16:18.44 | valdyn | kbrooks: i would write down the proper boot lines for grub, if things are wrong you could always edit manually on boot. |
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| 16:19.08 | resiak | Sip: Yes. Your kernel doesn't do USB until it mounts / which is on a USB disk ;) |
| 16:19.26 | kbrooks | valdyn, uh.....:P |
| 16:19.30 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: vegemite is also http://www.vegemite.com.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=VegemiteDiscovery.welcome |
| 16:19.30 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: okay |
| 16:19.50 | Sip | resiak: so, what shall I do? |
| 16:19.50 | black13 | nemo, it doesnt fart around i run a script directly |
| 16:19.50 | resiak | !vegemite is also not marmite |
| 16:19.51 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
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| 16:20.08 | kbrooks | i think i'll go with installing sarge (debian-installer) |
| 16:20.40 | resiak | Sip: Install it on a non-usb disk? Google for how to do so? |
| 16:20.40 | nemo | black13: that's what I used to do, yeah. (I was running 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' or various things :) |
| 16:20.46 | Sip | resiak: so it is not possible to install it on an usb disk, is it? |
| 16:21.51 | mr-j | Hi Community! I recently installed Debian on my Notebook and still have some problems. I looked in the Web for a solution and I came across this IRC Channel. Well, has anyone an idea how I can enlarge this font in the XMMS Menue? |
| 16:22.06 | valdyn | Sip: it depends if your bios does support booting from an usb disk. |
| 16:22.15 | Sip | it does |
| 16:22.17 | resiak | Sip: It's possible |
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| 16:22.29 | valdyn | Sip: in that case i see no big problem. |
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| 16:23.24 | Sip | but if I choose to boot from that drive it display an error form lilo |
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| 16:23.48 | Sip | I installed lilo in the normal HDD |
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| 16:24.11 | resiak | That's not a LILO error you pasted |
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| 16:24.39 | valdyn | Sip: if lilo is on your normal HD and you boot off you normal HD then that sure doesnt work, in that case lilo would need to have a driver for usb |
| 16:25.04 | rbochan | valdyn: as in an initrd sort of thing? |
| 16:25.20 | valdyn | rbochan: no, in lilo, but lilo does not support such a thing at all |
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| 16:26.13 | valdyn | rbochan: you'd be right assuming you have lilo and /boot are on a "normal" hd, then lilo will boot the kernel off the normal hd and the kernel will be the first thing to deal with usb, which is also np w/ an initrd. |
| 16:26.14 | rbochan | I was thinking more along the lines of how I always forget to compile my root filesys into a custom kernel ;o) |
| 16:26.33 | mr-j | Nobody? If I'm getting on your nerves, just tell me |
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| 16:26.50 | Sip | the errors appears when I choose to boot with debian from the USB HDD in the lilo menu which is installed in the normal HDD |
| 16:27.08 | funkyhat | what's the easiest way to detect and configure new hardware? |
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| 16:27.23 | valdyn | Sip: that is because lilo cant know a thing about usb |
| 16:27.28 | rbochan | mr-j: there's a fonts option in XMMS's prefernces, have you tried that? |
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| 16:27.42 | funkyhat | i've just added an audigy card and i can't use it at the moment |
| 16:27.51 | mr-j | one moment |
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| 16:28.09 | drac | funkyhat: apt-get install alsa-base and alsaconf for that.. |
| 16:28.16 | Sip | valdyn: but it starts correctly booting the debian |
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| 16:29.30 | valdyn | Sip: where's your error message? |
| 16:29.57 | jetx | discover/hotplug |
| 16:30.08 | jetx | funkyhat^^ |
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| 16:30.29 | jetx | if yo have a 2.6 kernel it should/might help |
| 16:30.33 | mr-j | no, the fontconfig-dialog in XMMS doesn't change the size in the menue. I also have the problem in Synaptic, but only in the output console |
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| 16:30.56 | FieldySnuts | !smite _tomb0y's nick |
| 16:30.58 | FieldySnuts | er host |
| 16:30.59 | FieldySnuts | nevermind |
| 16:31.03 | eps | mmm ipod working completely from linux now :D |
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| 16:31.08 | rbochan | mr-j: short of some obscure(to me anyway) gtk config settings, I'm not sure what to tell you |
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| 16:31.12 | eps | no more booting to windows for me |
| 16:31.18 | funkyhat | alsaconf has only found my onboard sound |
| 16:31.22 | black13 | nemo, that blew up in my face |
| 16:31.23 | valdyn | Sip: your initrd is on the usb disk I assume, and usb drivers are in that initrd |
| 16:31.44 | Sip | what's initrd? |
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| 16:31.50 | mr-j | well, thought also about this, but I don't find where to edit this option |
| 16:31.54 | nirz | hello |
| 16:31.59 | valdyn | Sip: a file containing all the drivers. |
| 16:32.03 | clojster | is it possible to install alsa 1.0.9 from unstable section to stable debian? |
| 16:32.20 | valdyn | Sip: and lilo cannot load it, since lilo doesnt know about usb |
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| 16:32.32 | funkyhat | cahoot: returns nothing |
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| 16:32.59 | Sip | but my bios does, and lilo starts the booting without problem |
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| 16:33.10 | Sip | but during the booting it appears that error |
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| 16:33.55 | Quibus | hi all |
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| 16:34.15 | funkyhat | debian:~# alsamixer -c1 - unmute |
| 16:34.16 | funkyhat | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for hw:1: No such file or directory |
| 16:34.19 | Quibus | is there a list of which packages are on what sarge cd? |
| 16:34.20 | black13 | Quibus |
| 16:34.27 | valdyn | Sip: lilo wont break at a missing initrd, but your kernel will ( and does ) |
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| 16:34.45 | aw | TBBle: i'm sorry, i had to go away, and the buffer of this client didn't keep your reply, about debian port to another kernel |
| 16:34.46 | rbochan | mr-j: you might have a look here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/333571 |
| 16:34.49 | funkyhat | i plan to use both soundcards |
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| 16:35.03 | TBBle | aw: Funnily enough, I just got back too. Lemme find it. |
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| 16:35.21 | SDFH_Linux | whats a good site for debian or linux wallpapers? |
| 16:35.24 | TBBle | Another kernel? It's only happened a handful of times, so I doubt it... You could ask around though. I think it involves getting glibc and build-essential built against the kernel, and then starting to build other packages as you can meet their build-deps. |
| 16:35.25 | valdyn | Sip: i suggest you put everything ( kernel,initrd,lilo ) on usb disk or everything on normal disk |
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| 16:36.05 | drac | SDFH_Linux: deviantart.com.. |
| 16:36.06 | Sip | I try the first option but before it didn't work |
| 16:36.21 | mr-j | @rbochan: thanks, I'll try this |
| 16:36.32 | SDFH_Linux | k thanks drac |
| 16:36.33 | funkyhat | yeah |
| 16:36.34 | rbochan | good luck |
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| 16:36.42 | aw | TBBle: the development should happen in the other kernel then, i imagine |
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| 16:37.04 | funkyhat | maybe... |
| 16:37.21 | funkyhat | how can i find out/kill it? |
| 16:37.42 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.56 | mr-j | thx ;-) |
| 16:38.01 | TBBle | aw: Yeah. I expect you'll have to work in another environment entirely, in fact, at least until you bootstrap gcc and glibc into place. |
| 16:38.09 | rbochan | I'm on a fresh Sid install (via Sarge installer), and I'm new to using grub, is there an equivalent of lilo's "message=/path/to/message" (which replaces the boot menu with a custom message) for grub's menu.lst? |
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| 16:38.46 | aw | TBBle: ok... i'll see how far i can get |
| 16:39.02 | TBBle | aw: What kernel, BTW? |
| 16:39.11 | funkyhat | no, nothing to do with oss is loaded |
| 16:39.18 | aw | TBBle: i'm toying with opensolaris |
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| 16:39.51 | aw | TBBle: i'm very new on this type of development, so i'll see how far i can get |
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| 16:39.58 | Quibus | ehm, trying again: is there a list of which packages are on what sarge cd? |
| 16:40.06 | aw | TBBle: i should talk to thepeople doing freebsd and so ports |
| 16:40.42 | black13 | Quibus, find all the deb files and that is pretty much a list |
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| 16:40.48 | aw | Quibus: i'm pretty sure the cds have a file (a tgz) with it... |
| 16:40.59 | aw | Quibus: very close to where the debs are |
| 16:41.02 | Quibus | aw: sure, but I don't want to download 14 isos just to get the list :) |
| 16:41.18 | Quibus | I'm just curious on what cd our package ended up |
| 16:41.26 | TBBle | aw: Oooh, interesting. Good luck with that. ^_^ |
| 16:41.44 | aw | TBBle: thanks :) |
| 16:41.56 | TBBle | aw: If I recall correctly, the main person behind the kFreeBSD port just moved on, but is available for questions... |
| 16:42.02 | funkyhat | there's no /asound directory in /proc |
| 16:42.12 | Quibus | the list seems to be on the first cd |
| 16:42.37 | aw | TBBle: ok.. we'll see ;) |
| 16:42.42 | funkyhat | * cahoot there's no /asound directory in /proc |
| 16:42.48 | TBBle | funkyhat: No /proc/asound means no alsa running. |
| 16:42.49 | defkewl | has anyone tried etch? any problems using it? |
| 16:43.09 | aw | TBBle: but i'm afraid it must not have been easy to do, cuz it has been a while since they started |
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| 16:44.03 | TBBle | aw: Actually, the FreeBSD port is now self-hosting, I believe. |
| 16:44.03 | kryptech | debian installs grub by default (or at least my build did), is there a way I can change to lilo? |
| 16:44.05 | funkyhat | nope |
| 16:44.22 | Quibus | does anyone have the first cd of sarge laying around? |
| 16:45.01 | TBBle | aw: The actual critical point where problems become just porting problems is not too far in. If gcc and glibc already support your kernel, then the main hurdle as I understand it is networking tools. |
| 16:45.01 | kryptech | Quibus: me |
| 16:45.06 | crashbg | !bind |
| 16:45.06 | dpkg | [bind] the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml, or read the brilliant docs at http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf. |
| 16:45.14 | Quibus | kryptech: could you check that list for me, or better: send it to me? |
| 16:45.23 | kryptech | list of what? |
| 16:45.26 | Eulex | someone mentioned that you should not switch between running apt-get and aptitude, because they use different db's... is the same true for apt-get and synaptic? |
| 16:45.36 | Quibus | kryptech: of all packages (and on what cd they are) |
| 16:45.45 | resiak | Eulex: No |
| 16:46.02 | funkyhat | synaptic is just a GUI for apt-get isn't it? |
| 16:46.03 | kryptech | is it on a file on the cd somewhere? |
| 16:46.10 | aw | TBBle: it may just be worth have apt-get for it... They claim in can run native linux apps, i wonder if deb packages would work with it... |
| 16:46.23 | valdyn | Eulex: iirc aptitude is just a frontend to apt-get |
| 16:46.27 | Quibus | kryptech: so they say. But I don't know what file exactly |
| 16:46.34 | Eulex | resiak: ok, then I'll just use synaptic in X and apt-get in consoles |
| 16:46.35 | crashbg | hmm please someone update the information about bind - the page has been moved |
| 16:46.41 | Eulex | then I should be safe |
| 16:46.46 | resiak | Eulex: That's the path to enlightenmet |
| 16:46.51 | TBBle | aw: That would be interesting. If there's something equivalent of binfmt-misc so it doesn't need special magic to run linux binaries, then you could do a very interesting chroot setup I think. |
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| 16:48.01 | kryptech | Quibus: the md5 sum lists every file on the cd, you want me to send you that? |
| 16:48.17 | Quibus | kryptech: does it list what package is on what cd? |
| 16:48.30 | kryptech | it lists the packages yes |
| 16:48.40 | aw | TBBle: i'll see where all this leads to.. Thanks a bunch for the help! |
| 16:48.42 | gary | If i have a directory full of some folders i want to tar and some i don't how do you suggest i do it? Can i tar some, then add some more in that tar? |
| 16:48.44 | Quibus | but also the cd they're on? |
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| 16:49.18 | TBBle | gary: You can tell tar to exclude directories, I think. Check the manpage. |
| 16:49.26 | gary | ok thanks :D |
| 16:49.47 | Eulex | resiak: ok, thanks |
| 16:49.55 | valdyn | Quibus: i dont think there's a list, the CDs are scanned when you use them |
| 16:50.21 | valdyn | Quibus: but i could be wrong, not using CDs |
| 16:50.35 | Quibus | valdyn: I suppose hardly anyone uses the cd's, but still :) |
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| 16:50.53 | valdyn | Quibus: which package are you looking for? |
| 16:50.56 | kryptech | heck I low 56k had to download the cd's from my dads office |
| 16:51.02 | kryptech | ;) |
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| 16:51.15 | Quibus | valdyn: I'm wondering on what cd the packages 'openmsx', 'pasmo' and 'cbios' ended up |
| 16:52.10 | valdyn | Quibus: none of these is on the first dvd |
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| 16:52.30 | kryptech | what! theres more than one _DVD_ |
| 16:52.35 | Quibus | there's 2 |
| 16:52.39 | rbochan | was jsut thinking that myself |
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| 16:52.44 | kryptech | i didnt know debian was that big |
| 16:52.54 | Quibus | it's about 15500 packages |
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| 16:53.01 | Quibus | 14 cd's, 2 dvd's |
| 16:53.03 | TBBle | Two DVDs, and if you're ia64 or AMD, a bonus half a cd. |
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| 16:53.30 | valdyn | Quibus: yea i found all on the 2nd dvd |
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| 16:53.41 | Quibus | valdyn: OK :) |
| 16:53.47 | Quibus | valdyn: now about the cd's.... |
| 16:53.58 | Quibus | I hope we didn't end up on cd 14 |
| 16:53.58 | valdyn | Quibus: dont have those.. |
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| 16:54.25 | TBBle | Quibus: You could grab the jigdo files, and see if the jigdo tools have a way of listing the required URLs |
| 16:54.31 | TBBle | I'm pretty sure they do. |
| 16:54.41 | ixi | Hi. I'm probably dumb, but I can't use split! :( Whould anyone provide an example? |
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| 16:55.03 | greycat | ixi: man split |
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| 16:55.35 | ixi | greycat: split -b 500M MYISO.iso - doesn't work |
| 16:56.17 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 16:56.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 16:56.31 | K_Dallas | ixi add --verbose and see what is happening |
| 16:57.04 | Covener | ixi: little m? |
| 16:57.27 | ixi | Covener, K_Dallas : it was 'M' - split doesn't knwo it :) |
| 16:57.33 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 16:57.48 | K_Dallas | try mb or m |
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| 16:58.40 | Covener | Someone really ought to document this somewhere </sarcasm> |
| 16:59.12 | ixi | greycat: not thank you :) |
| 16:59.22 | greycat | it *is* in the man page. |
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| 16:59.54 | Covener | greycat: yeah, buried on the _first_ page (hence the sarcasm) |
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| 17:01.07 | stef65 | ich geh' dann auchg nochmal 'nen bisschen raus |
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| 17:01.26 | stef65 | sry wrong channel |
| 17:01.40 | poonj | hey guys...anyone here know if you can "flip" a postscript file 180 Deg in a program like a2ps? |
| 17:01.44 | poonj | or even ps2pdf |
| 17:02.04 | TBBle | poonj: There's ps2ps, that might do it. |
| 17:02.09 | poonj | oh okay |
| 17:02.30 | kryptech | 'non-us is no more' < whats that all about? |
| 17:02.31 | valdyn | poonj: or mpage i guess |
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| 17:02.42 | error403 | kryptech, what it says? |
| 17:02.45 | valdyn | kryptech: law changes in the us, its obsolete |
| 17:02.46 | poonj | ps2ps doesn't look like it does it |
| 17:02.51 | jkretz | hi all i've got a networking question |
| 17:02.56 | kryptech | valdyn: ahh |
| 17:03.06 | TBBle | psnup? |
| 17:03.08 | jkretz | i've got a sarge box setup w/ shorewall to share my cable connection, run samba, etc... |
| 17:03.17 | jkretz | but my transfers will never break 10 mbps |
| 17:03.18 | error403 | US have taked over the world, NON-US is not necessary, its ALL the US now!!! |
| 17:03.19 | mwilson | That's because it's 'pstops', from psutils. |
| 17:03.20 | error403 | MUAHAHAH! |
| 17:03.31 | jkretz | my switch's collision light is going nuts |
| 17:03.35 | raf256 | !bushsmite error403 |
| 17:03.38 | TBBle | Dang. I was || this close. |
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| 17:03.43 | error403 | hehe |
| 17:03.43 | kryptech | error403: ya man! |
| 17:03.55 | jkretz | and under ifconfig for transmit packets it has tons of errors |
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| 17:04.35 | Quibus | damn |
| 17:04.39 | Quibus | we are on cd 14 :( |
| 17:04.47 | kryptech | no troubles |
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| 17:04.52 | jkretz | any ideas? |
| 17:04.54 | kryptech | i'm sure theyll move you up |
| 17:04.56 | mono | hi, for some reason, whenever i boot up my system i need to go through fsck - is there a way to fix that ? |
| 17:04.57 | Quibus | and pasmo on cd 13 |
| 17:05.03 | black13 | nemo, you saved my bacon man!!! |
| 17:05.03 | quittt | US SUX |
| 17:05.07 | quittt | =P |
| 17:05.16 | Quibus | TBBle: thanks for the hint, this works indeed (zgrepping on the .jigdo files) |
| 17:05.33 | valdyn | Quibus: apt-get install popularity contest ;) |
| 17:05.39 | black13 | quittt, no the US is prety good, US policy sucks |
| 17:05.40 | valdyn | Quibus: apt-get install popularity-contest ;) |
| 17:05.43 | Quibus | valdyn: aready did that :) since years |
| 17:06.00 | shingouz | mono: you sure your drive is ok? |
| 17:06.14 | jim | mono: shut down properly every time... don't just turn your computer off |
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| 17:06.16 | K_Dallas | It is strange to see people making over 200million people into a single word and talk about it! |
| 17:06.27 | error403 | is there any particular reason why xfree86 is using more RAM and CPU under XFCE than KDE? i thought XFCE was lightweight... |
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| 17:07.03 | K_Dallas | error403, i never was able to convine myself to use xfce instead of gnome. |
| 17:07.09 | shingouz | error403: has to be lightweight for it to work here on P1 systems |
| 17:07.11 | K_Dallas | convince* |
| 17:07.16 | error403 | well, i dont like gnome... |
| 17:07.19 | error403 | too much |
| 17:07.23 | error403 | but i like XFCE |
| 17:07.25 | shingouz | K_Dallas: yea but you have the cpu there |
| 17:07.27 | kryptech | error403: 'lightweight' is a label you stick on something when you want more people to download it |
| 17:07.27 | raf256 | !usasmite error403 |
| 17:07.28 | Quibus | valdyn: Package: openmsx 1 10 2 0 |
| 17:07.33 | error403 | but its using shitloads of RAM |
| 17:07.43 | kryptech | 'XXXXXX is a lightweight XXXXXXX package for the XXXXX system' |
| 17:07.49 | mwilson | error403: So? |
| 17:07.52 | K_Dallas | shingouz, xfce is not as light as it claims to be, when i need real lite, i use ion3 ;) |
| 17:08.00 | mwilson | error403: You have something better to do with the RAM? |
| 17:08.05 | mono | jim, i do shut down properly. my kernel is spitting out permission msgs to my shell. how do i find the history of the kernel msgs? |
| 17:08.08 | Quibus | use fvwm if you really need light :) |
| 17:08.10 | error403 | well, shouldnt XFCE be lighter than KDE? |
| 17:08.23 | mwilson | error403: Why "should" it be? |
| 17:08.26 | error403 | !start de war |
| 17:08.28 | error403 | heeh |
| 17:08.47 | error403 | hrm... |
| 17:08.56 | Quibus | dpkg, start a desktop manager war |
| 17:08.57 | rbochan | error403: I've foind that KDE 3.4.1 runs better on my 233/128 meg than XFCE did |
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| 17:09.08 | arfy | hi there |
| 17:09.12 | K_Dallas | interesting rbochan |
| 17:09.21 | jim | mono: probably in /var/log somewhere |
| 17:09.22 | error403 | i am using a Sempron 2800 and 768MB RAM.... |
| 17:09.23 | rbochan | yes, I was very surpised |
| 17:09.29 | singe | and shield of KDE |
| 17:09.34 | K_Dallas | my guess is that xfce needs some good configuration to make fast |
| 17:09.39 | error403 | hmmm |
| 17:09.44 | Quibus | anyway, thanks and bye! |
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| 17:10.12 | arfy | I've just install debian-3.1. However, I'd like to set up my system to track the testing distro. |
| 17:10.19 | black13 | is there a way to leave a message for usr who isnt currently onlinne |
| 17:10.28 | arfy | Should I setup sorces.list to track both stable and tsting? or just testing |
| 17:10.33 | black13 | i really wanted to thank nemo |
| 17:10.43 | jim | arfy: just testing |
| 17:10.44 | rbochan | black13: I think nickserv has a memo function |
| 17:10.53 | paulswm | The fish with the gimpy flipper? |
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| 17:11.05 | valdyn | arfy: only one of both, and remove the security line for testing ( though some security fixes will work w/ testing for a while ) |
| 17:11.09 | jim | arfy: I assume you're sure you want to do this... |
| 17:11.20 | shingouz | XFce 3.8.18 on a dual P1-133, 256M ram and no problems at all |
| 17:11.26 | arfy | too easy! Just change stable to testing in sources.list? :) |
| 17:11.34 | arfy | Yes, I'm sure :) |
| 17:11.58 | jim | arfy: or to etch |
| 17:12.05 | arfy | actualy, how often does stable get updated with new software version? |
| 17:12.10 | arfy | versions |
| 17:12.13 | jim | never |
| 17:12.28 | arfy | thought so. just checking my facts. :) |
| 17:12.31 | valdyn | arfy: nearly never, except for packages in the volatile repository |
| 17:12.35 | jim | that's why it's STABLE :) |
| 17:12.39 | black13 | i will just have to thank him next time |
| 17:12.48 | mwilson | "volatile repository"? |
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| 17:13.06 | arfy | but there are the minor release, like 3.1r1, r2, etc. |
| 17:13.20 | error403 | Does anybody think running a system monitor could be slowing the system down? |
| 17:13.22 | arfy | arn't they just bug fixes and security updates? |
| 17:13.25 | valdyn | mwilson: its probably not ( yet ) official, no idea, its for quick changing data like spam filter things. |
| 17:13.36 | rbochan | error403: I would think so |
| 17:13.36 | paulswm | arfy: never, if you want that, use testing. It is reasonably safe for desktops and only runs a couple or three weeks behind sid (unstable). unstalbe is a poor choice as it will break form time to time in interesting and unexpected ways. |
| 17:13.46 | mwilson | valdyn: What moron came up with that idea? |
| 17:13.53 | jim | yes, and they will -never- involve version changes, never involve added features |
| 17:14.02 | arfy | thanks for the help. :) |
| 17:14.08 | jim | welcome |
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| 17:14.09 | valdyn | mwilson: its optional.. no one has to use it. |
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| 17:14.48 | kryptech | can I switch to lilo (debian installs grub by default)? |
| 17:14.50 | jim | right, security fixes and -critical- bug fixes |
| 17:14.54 | mwilson | valdyn: It has nothing to do with whether or not it's optional... it has to do with Debian not being able to manage three repositiories as it is, and now some clueless idiot thinks there should be four? |
| 17:15.31 | valdyn | mwilson: no idea, ~10 packages in volatile does not seem much added work. |
| 17:15.37 | paulswm | arfy: and don't mix distros unless you absolutely have to or are experienced at it, you'll probably get into a bit of trouble doing that. |
| 17:15.53 | ricky_clarkson | Why not have one huuuge repository, and just have each package have info as to where it's free, non-free, crap, good, written by RMS, etc.? |
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| 17:16.04 | mwilson | valdyn: And the advantage to this over s.d.o would be...? |
| 17:16.17 | ricky_clarkson | s/where/whether/ |
| 17:16.27 | error403 | Is it good news that NONE of my swap drive is being used? |
| 17:16.30 | jim | valdyn: what's "volatile"? |
| 17:16.38 | Eulex | error403: yes |
| 17:16.41 | valdyn | mwilson: s.d.n? |
| 17:16.51 | trave11er | mwilson: one of the people behind volatile idea is a member of the release team |
| 17:16.54 | ricky_clarkson | security.debian.net? |
| 17:16.58 | mwilson | error403: it's not particularly important one way or the other. |
| 17:17.07 | valdyn | mwilson: itas no security fixes.. |
| 17:17.09 | trave11er | mwilson: so it is not run by "clueless idiots" |
| 17:17.10 | greycat | kryptech: of course you can. |
| 17:17.11 | mwilson | trave11er: And that somehow makes it automatically a good idea? |
| 17:17.17 | arfy | ok, just to make sure I'm clear, updage sources.list, then run apt-get update; apt-get distupgrade? |
| 17:17.19 | trave11er | mwilson: it is a good idea |
| 17:17.23 | arfy | update |
| 17:17.26 | PolarWolf | trave11er: Just because someone has some status in some project doesn't automagically mean everything he or she comes up with is a good idea |
| 17:17.32 | ricky_clarkson | Even clueful people can do idiotic things. |
| 17:17.37 | trave11er | :-) |
| 17:17.42 | ricky_clarkson | All you have to do is /msg dpkg listauth greycat to prove that. |
| 17:17.52 | valdyn | its hardly a bad idea per se anyway |
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| 17:17.59 | jim | arfy: yep, and then pray :P |
| 17:18.01 | jim | :) |
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| 17:18.19 | arfy | ll |
| 17:18.23 | greycat | but all of ricky_clarkson's factoids are gems of wit. |
| 17:18.24 | arfy | lol |
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| 17:18.28 | trave11er | in three years that woody was stable the spam filters there were ridiculously outdated |
| 17:18.34 | paulswm | error403: swap space is usually only intermittently used. If you have tmpfs mounted on /tmp, you will see more use. But, like mwilson says, it's neither good or bad news, axcept to see swap space being nearly filled with normal usage is probably bad news :) |
| 17:18.38 | valdyn | jim: try google, i dont recall the announcement url. |
| 17:18.45 | trave11er | and this problem has been addressed now |
| 17:18.50 | trave11er | i don't see a problem |
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| 17:19.02 | Eulex | arfy: (ot) are you the guy I've met on #euphoria a few times? |
| 17:19.11 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I hardly think I class as clueful. |
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| 17:19.22 | PolarWolf | trave11er: Maybe it would be a better idea to lift "content updates" out of the package repositories altogether and invent a more flexible update mechanism for the packages that need it? |
| 17:19.49 | valdyn | PolarWolf: it isnt in the standard package repositories |
| 17:19.50 | PolarWolf | Like spam rules, snort rules, virus definitions, etc |
| 17:19.51 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe it would be better to provide an easy way for a non-root user to 'install' packages, just for them. |
| 17:19.55 | jim | valdyn: so you're saying this volatile thing is running now? |
| 17:19.58 | TBBle | Like clamav-freshclam? |
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| 17:20.17 | valdyn | jim: ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile |
| 17:20.18 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get --selfish install whatever ;) |
| 17:20.40 | mo | when I try to play a mp3 file in xmms I get an error that I should check my soundcard and I have the ringt output selected and so on.. but if I start xmms as root it works fine, is there anyway I can set the permission on xmms |
| 17:20.41 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: A non-root user should *never* be empowered to install packages. |
| 17:21.04 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: In their home directory. |
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| 17:21.11 | PolarWolf | mo: Throw yourself in the "audio" group |
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| 17:21.16 | mwilson | mo: As opposed to actually doing things the right way and adding yourself to the audio group, so that you have access to the sound device? |
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| 17:21.28 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: Users don't get to install software. |
| 17:21.29 | TBBle | dpkg-deb -x $pkgfile ~; cd DEBIAN/; cat $pkg.postinst; <do stuff from postinst>? |
| 17:21.35 | Eulex | oh, I just missed him... just like last time |
| 17:21.37 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: That's a shame. |
| 17:21.37 | PolarWolf | furrywolf: Hm? |
| 17:21.51 | trave11er | PolarWolf: perhaps. but the way it is done with volatile is easier. |
| 17:22.04 | furrywolf | PolarWolf: nothing. just randomly poking people with "wolf" in their name. :) |
| 17:22.04 | PolarWolf | trave11er: I doubt it |
| 17:22.12 | PolarWolf | furrywolf: Ah |
| 17:22.13 | trave11er | PolarWolf: and you _don't have_ to use it, if you don't like the idea |
| 17:22.13 | mo | PolarWolf: Ok that sounds easy.. I'll try that.. thank you |
| 17:22.19 | paulswm | !beat furrywolf |
| 17:22.26 | paulswm | :P |
| 17:22.30 | ricky_clarkson | !welshsmite paulswm |
| 17:22.32 | PolarWolf | trave11er: I'm not gonna use anything if I don't like it as a matter of course :P |
| 17:22.42 | ricky_clarkson | What was the smite I attack you with, paulswm? |
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| 17:22.54 | PolarWolf | furrywolf: Hum, who said I'm a fur? |
| 17:22.57 | jim | valdyn, ok, but that dpesnm' |
| 17:23.01 | paulswm | I can't remember now, lemme look |
| 17:23.02 | trave11er | PolarWolf: anyway, if you feel so strongly about it, feel free to express your ideas and offer help on debian-volatile mailing list :-) |
| 17:23.09 | PolarWolf | furrywolf: And no, because I know what it means doesn't mean I am one :P |
| 17:23.10 | ricky_clarkson | !cwrwsmite paulswm |
| 17:23.12 | jim | valdyn, ok, but that doesn't describe what it is |
| 17:23.14 | valdyn | jim: dpesnm? |
| 17:23.22 | jim | sorry. |
| 17:23.23 | rbochan | I'm on a fresh Sid install (via Sarge installer), and I'm new to using grub, is there an equivalent of lilo's "message=/path/to/message" (which replaces the boot menu with a custom message) for grub's menu.lst? |
| 17:23.27 | furrywolf | you didn't. but if you'd answered with "meep!" or a similar response like that, I would have guessed you were one. :P |
| 17:23.51 | valdyn | jim: a repository for virus definition updates, spamfilter updates. Data for software that gets useless quickly when not updated. |
| 17:23.54 | Eulex | how do I know what smites are available for my use? :) |
| 17:23.55 | PolarWolf | trave11er: Naw, I have trouble enough as it is keeping up with everything else I'm kinda involved in :-) |
| 17:24.04 | PolarWolf | furrywolf: I see |
| 17:24.06 | furrywolf | Eulex: listkeys smite ought to work. |
| 17:24.11 | jim | ahh, gotcha |
| 17:24.17 | Eulex | furrywolf, ok |
| 17:24.30 | furrywolf | note that many people here consider excessive use of smites to be highly annoying |
| 17:24.33 | valdyn | jim: so, stuff that people would install anyway, but have to do it manually if volatile didnt exist.. |
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| 17:24.44 | ricky_clarkson | God, I really have filled dpkg with rubbish. |
| 17:24.52 | ricky_clarkson | !you're a star |
| 17:24.53 | dpkg | No, I'm a fucking bot, you moron. A star is something hot in the sky, other than a burning-up spacecraft. |
| 17:25.08 | furrywolf | lol |
| 17:25.13 | ricky_clarkson | !mandysmite paulswm |
| 17:25.16 | shingouz | no sense of humor |
| 17:25.29 | greycat | how does a spacecraft actually "burn" up? |
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| 17:25.38 | greycat | unless it's in the atmosphere of a planet |
| 17:25.45 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: Can't find anything |
| 17:26.00 | ricky_clarkson | !darwinsmite greycat |
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| 17:26.01 | furrywolf | greycat: since rocket fuel tends to burn without oxygen, seems quite easy for it to burn up... |
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| 17:26.54 | paulswm | !gothsmite ricky_clarkson |
| 17:26.57 | ricky_clarkson | Rocket fuel requires oxygen to burn up. |
| 17:27.01 | kryptech | greycat: how can I switch? |
| 17:27.02 | qbwdp | hey giys whats new |
| 17:27.06 | Eulex | how do I make dpkg show all smites with listkeys smite instead of just the first 13? |
| 17:27.07 | ricky_clarkson | That's why rockets tend to carry, um, oxygen. |
| 17:27.15 | PolarWolf | furrywolf: Hmm, you'd be surprised how badly stuff burns without an electron source nearby. That's probably why rockets carry their own supply of liquid oxygen |
| 17:27.40 | qbwdp | i'm trying to install unrar, i did it fine with urpmi, but on this debian box i can't find anything with apt-cache search unrar |
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| 17:27.43 | Nach | Normally, if I want a particular library to develop with, I can do apt-get install lib{library name}-dev, but that gives me dynamic libraries, how can I get static libraries too? |
| 17:27.49 | qbwdp | is it called by some other name? |
| 17:27.57 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: there is a "highfive" |
| 17:28.02 | ricky_clarkson | qbwdp: rar? |
| 17:28.02 | paulswm | !highfive ricky_clarkson |
| 17:28.16 | greycat | kryptech: install lilo, edit lilo.conf, run /sbin/lilo |
| 17:28.17 | qbwdp | ricky_clarkson: that gives me 5 pages of stuff |
| 17:28.19 | furrywolf | exactly my point. a spaceship would need to carry fuel that burns in space. if this is a single-part fuel that produces its own oxygen as it burns, or a two-part fuel, it doesn't matter... it still burns in space. |
| 17:28.34 | ricky_clarkson | qbwdp: dpkg -S unrar |
| 17:28.50 | greycat | furrywolf: a fuel need not "burn" to produce thrust. |
| 17:29.06 | ricky_clarkson | E.g., plutonium? |
| 17:29.20 | kryptech | greycat: I did, but when I reboot, grub is still there |
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| 17:29.22 | shingouz | qbwdp: you need to put contrib and no-free into your sources.list and apt-get update |
| 17:29.27 | valdyn | Nach: libraries do not generaly exist statically linked in debian repositories. |
| 17:29.28 | greycat | kryptech: then you didn't edit lilo.conf *correctly*. |
| 17:29.31 | shingouz | s/no-free/non-free |
| 17:29.32 | greycat | kryptech: boot = /dev/hda |
| 17:29.33 | kryptech | okay |
| 17:29.35 | Nach | valdyn, :( |
| 17:29.41 | furrywolf | greycat: correct. for example, xenon ion propulsion. but if we're talking about spaceships burning up, I'll assume they have something that makes a big fireball if it combusts outside a rocket engine. :) |
| 17:29.42 | Nach | valdyn, so I'll have to compile myself? |
| 17:29.42 | jim | !info clamav |
| 17:29.44 | dpkg | clamav: (antivirus scanner for Unix), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.85.2-0.86rc1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 17:29.49 | qbwdp | shingouz: ok, let me try that |
| 17:29.53 | valdyn | Nach: yes |
| 17:29.53 | ricky_clarkson | !gentoosmite Nach |
| 17:30.19 | caphuso | Nach: the static libraries tend to be in the -dev packages |
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| 17:30.32 | Eulex | if you wanna have humans in that spaceship, you have to have oxygen... and most things can burn with oxygen |
| 17:30.32 | ricky_clarkson | Java has a Flushable interface. Let the toilet humour begin. |
| 17:30.34 | priest | does someone know an application to recover partitions? |
| 17:30.37 | shingouz | furrywolf: most of the rocket propellants do make a huge fireball fwiw |
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| 17:30.42 | kryptech | greycat: lilo.conf should be in /boot correct? |
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| 17:30.51 | Nach | caphuso, I can't seem to link curses programs with -static or QT programs, so I doubt that |
| 17:31.02 | jim | priest: why, yes... it's called a "backup" |
| 17:31.10 | caphuso | Description: Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses |
| 17:31.11 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.38 | valdyn | caphuso: ops, that not true for every libary, is it? |
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| 17:31.40 | Nach | caphuso, then do I link with something other than -lncurses and -static? |
| 17:31.42 | caphuso | seems like the package description of libcurses5-dev is a lie |
| 17:31.48 | Nach | because I get an error like that that the lib isn't found |
| 17:32.23 | priest | jim: if i had a bacup i wouldn't need to fix it |
| 17:32.53 | jim | that shows you understand the problem :) |
| 17:33.19 | Nach | valdyn, so if I wanted source for a package, asside from going to the website for that library, how would I get the source in Debian? |
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| 17:33.32 | ldexter | apt-get source <package. |
| 17:33.42 | priest | are there no opensource recovery programs? i only find comercial programs? |
| 17:33.51 | valdyn | Nach: apt-get source <package> |
| 17:33.54 | ricky_clarkson | priest: Recovery from backups? |
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| 17:34.12 | Nach | thanks |
| 17:34.14 | cantona | Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. ?? |
| 17:34.14 | kbrooks | Well, all. |
| 17:34.17 | priest | ricky_clarkson: no, recover from crashed ext3-partitions |
| 17:34.20 | Nach | I guess, I'm going to have to compile QT overnight :( |
| 17:34.27 | kbrooks | I have a bone to pick with you all. |
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| 17:34.32 | ricky_clarkson | priest: Ah. Unimportant data then. |
| 17:34.45 | funkyhat | kbrooks, all of us? |
| 17:35.01 | TBBle | caphuso: nvidia-kernel-source is in non-free, as I recall. |
| 17:35.03 | TBBle | Ooops |
| 17:35.11 | TBBle | cantona: nvidia-kernel-source is in non-free, as I recall. |
| 17:35.27 | kbrooks | Why does debian-installer not work when I try to install stable? |
| 17:35.31 | priest | ricky_clarkson: no, not unimported, 350 gb music and porn that didn't fit on the backup :P |
| 17:35.33 | cantona | I see thanks |
| 17:35.39 | caphuso | Nach: compiling a statically linked bash works just fine for me, so it's probably something you're doing wrong |
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| 17:35.45 | ricky_clarkson | priest: fsck tries to fix crashed partitions. |
| 17:35.53 | kbrooks | it says debootstrap returned a status value of 1 |
| 17:36.01 | kbrooks | why? |
| 17:36.11 | ricky_clarkson | priest: But if it's really dead, you don't want to overwrite anything. |
| 17:36.21 | kbrooks | i had a debian snapshot..............from last year |
| 17:36.22 | shingouz | kbrooks: check the thir console for the errors |
| 17:36.24 | kbrooks | (in a cd) |
| 17:36.30 | kbrooks | but i lost it |
| 17:36.33 | shingouz | third even |
| 17:36.40 | kbrooks | shingouz, not there |
| 17:36.43 | ricky_clarkson | I get nervous when I reboot and LILO stops for a second at "LIL". |
| 17:36.57 | rbochan | heh |
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| 17:37.06 | Nach | caphuso, bash uses curses? and what params to link? |
| 17:37.20 | kbrooks | Nach, bash doesnt use curses |
| 17:37.20 | shingouz | kbrooks: no errors except the on eoyu stated here ? |
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| 17:37.44 | kbrooks | shingouz, NOTHING except module gibberish is listed |
| 17:37.56 | qbwdp | shingouz: that worked thanx for that |
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| 17:38.00 | kbrooks | (outside of the chroot) |
| 17:38.08 | caphuso | kbrooks: since when does bash not use ncurses? |
| 17:38.11 | qbwdp | now i can unrar all this porn movies |
| 17:38.21 | shingouz | kbrooks: doing a chroot install on somehting then? |
| 17:38.37 | kbrooks | no |
| 17:38.43 | Eulex | wooo, 106 packages to upgrade -- etch is starting to kick in |
| 17:38.56 | kbrooks | but i know debian-installer chroots...... |
| 17:39.03 | shingouz | kbrooks: you sure you have correct sources there? |
| 17:39.37 | kbrooks | shingouz, i dont know, i didnt cat /target/etc/apt/sources.list yet |
| 17:40.00 | shingouz | kbrooks: what did you tell the installer to use |
| 17:40.30 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: I stayed with lilo for years, always resisteing changing to grub. But I didd, a year or so ago. And I'm delighted, it is so much better in almost every way, particularly recovering from a trashed boot. |
| 17:41.01 | kbrooks | shingouz, stable, aka sarge, errors out with that message....(debian installer says that debootstrap returned 1) |
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| 17:41.44 | shingouz | kbrooks: yes, i understand that but are you sure the repositories you make the installer use are valid? |
| 17:42.03 | kbrooks | " mount: proc already mounted " |
| 17:42.06 | kbrooks | aha |
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| 17:42.48 | kbrooks | so i have to umount /taarget/proc |
| 17:42.55 | shingouz | try that |
| 17:42.56 | rbochan | paulswm: have you figured out if grub has an equivilent for lilo's message=/path/to/message fundtion? |
| 17:43.00 | kbrooks | shingouz, yes |
| 17:43.02 | kbrooks | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 17:43.02 | kbrooks | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 17:43.02 | kbrooks | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 17:43.18 | kbrooks | whoops |
| 17:43.22 | shingouz | kbrooks: non-us.... |
| 17:43.32 | kbrooks | shingouz, so? |
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| 17:43.46 | kbrooks | shingouz, not the point |
| 17:43.50 | shingouz | kbrooks: /topic, about the last thing there |
| 17:43.59 | shingouz | kbrooks: could very well be |
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| 17:44.08 | kbrooks | shingouz, i didnt put that in |
| 17:44.21 | shingouz | kbrooks: you pasted it in here at least |
| 17:44.32 | paulswm | rbochan: No, not really bothered that much with it. I do dislike grub's way of specifying a default boot, though, you have to use the "nth entry" which is a big pain. |
| 17:44.33 | kbrooks | yes |
| 17:44.36 | kbrooks | brb |
| 17:44.55 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Next time I install Debian, I'll let it install the bootloader it wants to. |
| 17:45.05 | rbochan | paulswm: I just ask because I'm new to grub, and been trying to find that out for days now |
| 17:45.20 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: .. as I did last time. |
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| 17:45.44 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: That'll be grub. The neat thing about grub is that you can boot it into its own shell from a floppy, so it's easy to manually boot a system if the MBR is fucked. |
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| 17:46.26 | paulswm | I mean "if the MBR appears to be corrupted." |
| 17:46.29 | paulswm | :P |
| 17:46.55 | RProgrammer | My SDL doesn't work, "SDL Init Error: No available video device", I have installed SDL, and I don't think doing anything with the "xhost" command will work, becuase even with "xhost +" it still doesn't work, please help. |
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| 17:47.05 | ricky_clarkson | !roger paulswm's MBR |
| 17:47.06 | rbochan | I don't really have a problem with going back to lilo to get that function, but I'd rather exhaust all possibilities of using grub first |
| 17:47.06 | dpkg | Bend over, paulswm's MBR and take it like a man! |
| 17:47.16 | rbochan | since it's default now |
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| 17:47.25 | ricky_clarkson | RProgrammer: Are you in X? |
| 17:47.28 | mops | f |
| 17:47.31 | ricky_clarkson | g |
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| 17:47.41 | RProgrammer | Yes |
| 17:47.48 | RProgrammer | As in using X11? |
| 17:47.52 | ricky_clarkson | Yes. |
| 17:47.55 | ricky_clarkson | Right now. |
| 17:47.57 | RProgrammer | then yes |
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| 17:48.12 | ricky_clarkson | RProgrammer: Are you running the program as the same user that X is running as? |
| 17:48.27 | paulswm | !singlishsmite ricky_clarkson |
| 17:48.27 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
| 17:48.29 | paulswm | :P |
| 17:48.34 | ricky_clarkson | RProgrammer: echo $DISPLAY |
| 17:48.36 | RProgrammer | Under my user account |
| 17:48.41 | RProgrammer | :0.0 |
| 17:48.56 | K_Dallas | is this the right way to do this? mkisofs -VRJAv /dir/*.* | cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc -eject -v |
| 17:49.10 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry, beyond me. |
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| 17:49.25 | caphuso | ./ncursestest: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, statically linked, not stripped |
| 17:49.28 | K_Dallas | i only need mkisofs give it to cdrecord and not making iso first |
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| 17:49.39 | caphuso | i really don't know what Nach's problem was |
| 17:51.03 | Eulex | RProgrammer, is it trying to run in fullscreen? if so, try running windowed |
| 17:51.12 | RProgrammer | both |
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| 17:51.22 | enthusi | knowing any tool for maildir->mbox? |
| 17:51.23 | RProgrammer | neither works |
| 17:51.47 | ricky_clarkson | I'm slightly annoyed that x-window-system doesn't depend x-window-manager (or something). Because I ended up with no window manager on an Internet-less PC. ;) |
| 17:52.18 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: x-window-system depends on twm |
| 17:52.21 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: twm |
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| 17:52.30 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, you have to select your window manager... and twm is included |
| 17:52.39 | jim | are you able to run other X apps from the same xterm? |
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| 17:52.52 | ricky_clarkson | Eulex: Actually twm is not there. |
| 17:53.03 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, strange |
| 17:53.17 | ricky_clarkson | Eulex: I thought I was using metacity, so I uninstalled sawfish. Then I realised I had really been using sawfish. |
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| 17:54.09 | ricky_clarkson | Thankfully most of the stuff I wanted to run (Java) is capable of managing its own windows (JFrame.setDefaultLookAndFeelDecorated(true)). |
| 17:54.12 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, ouch |
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| 17:55.19 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, if you haven't done apt-get clean, you should have the .deb cached on your hd |
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| 17:55.31 | ricky_clarkson | Eulex: I have done that. ;) |
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| 17:55.36 | Eulex | I think, not too sure if you installed from cd |
| 17:55.37 | ricky_clarkson | I was trying to free some space. |
| 17:55.41 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, ok |
| 17:55.48 | kazim | hi anyone know where i can find a chan about rrdtool please ? |
| 17:55.54 | dreamer__ | i'm using xine on debian... if I make an adjustment to the volume or position a control appears on the video screen that I can't get to disappear---it is freaking annoying... any tips on how to fix this? |
| 17:56.12 | RProgrammer | My SDL doesn't work, "SDL Init Error: No available video device", I have installed SDL, and I don't think doing anything with the "xhost" command will work, becuase even with "xhost +" it still doesn't work, and $DISPLAY is ":0.0" please help. |
| 17:56.26 | peterS | dreamer__: one way might be to use 'totem-xine' instead of 'xine'. totem is probably a nicer interface, and uses the same backend |
| 17:57.13 | peterS | dreamer__: I don't actually know about your problem specifically, I just think totem is overall better |
| 17:57.29 | ricky_clarkson | Eulex: I'll just take the machine to work sometime and do a full apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade then. |
| 17:57.49 | dreamer__ | is totem-xine some sort of mix of totem and xine? |
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| 17:58.09 | resiak | dreamer__: It's totem using the xine backend |
| 17:58.15 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, that should be needed if you have never done that on that net-less machine |
| 17:58.16 | resiak | dreamer__: totem |
| 17:58.17 | valdyn | dreamer__: totem-xine uses libxine, totem-gstreamer uses gstreamer for playback |
| 17:58.19 | kbrooks | Bamdam! I'm in /target atm |
| 17:58.23 | kbrooks | and |
| 17:58.24 | resiak | kbrooks: Bah |
| 17:58.27 | resiak | Erm |
| 17:58.37 | kbrooks | debian-installer |
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| 17:58.46 | kbrooks | and I still get the error |
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| 17:59.32 | kbrooks | "the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)" |
| 17:59.48 | kbrooks | how come? |
| 17:59.48 | dreamer__ | what i find annoy about totem is.... as a kde user... and cannot do a drag 'n drop into the playlist--to load files |
| 18:00.27 | kbrooks | anyone? |
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| 18:00.37 | resiak | !tell kbrooks -about enter |
| 18:00.46 | kbrooks | i need a hand here. |
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| 18:01.08 | greycat | !applaud kbrooks |
| 18:01.08 | kazim | can anyone help me about rrdtool pplease ? |
| 18:01.09 | dpkg | *clapclap* good show, kbrooks |
| 18:01.16 | Eulex | !tell kbrooks about repeat |
| 18:01.23 | kbrooks | got that, resiak |
| 18:01.31 | resiak | Good! |
| 18:01.33 | kbrooks | okay okaay i'll start over. |
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| 18:02.18 | bucky | rbochan, did you look at pause message ... http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Configuration |
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| 18:02.32 | pmiller9 | does linux have a user-space timer API that will allow me to execute a C function at 10ms intervals? |
| 18:03.01 | dreamer__ | exit |
| 18:03.14 | rbochan | bucky: as far as I"ve been able to tell, that's only for the menu entries |
| 18:03.19 | resiak | damog: Heh |
| 18:03.25 | kbrooks | I want to install Sarge, so I d/l the kernel and initrd of debian-installer and then I add the info to menu.lst... |
| 18:03.35 | kbrooks | Anyone listening? *checking* |
| 18:03.36 | resiak | ... |
| 18:03.41 | rbochan | I'm looking to replace the menu entirely, like I was able to do with lilo |
| 18:03.56 | kbrooks | resiak: But I lost the snapshot cd |
| 18:04.02 | crashbg | how can i flush the dns cache of my debian box? |
| 18:04.02 | kbrooks | that was functioning |
| 18:04.04 | resiak | OH WHAT A SHAME! |
| 18:04.07 | kbrooks | perfectly |
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| 18:04.08 | damog | kbrooks: rebooting to clean out /var may help |
| 18:04.12 | damog | :))) |
| 18:04.13 | resiak | Hahah |
| 18:04.20 | kbrooks | damog: do not mock me |
| 18:04.24 | initech | damog: behave :) |
| 18:04.30 | RProgrammer | My SDL doesn't work, "SDL Init Error: No available video device", I have installed SDL, and I don't think doing anything with the "xhost" command will work, becuase even with "xhost +" it still doesn't work, and $DISPLAY is ":0.0" please help. |
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| 18:04.59 | damog | initech: :) |
| 18:05.00 | damog | pabl0: :O |
| 18:05.05 | paulswm | :what's really annoying |
| 18:05.08 | paulswm | !what's really annoying |
| 18:05.08 | dpkg | repeating |
| 18:05.17 | pabl0 | damog, :) |
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| 18:05.22 | paulswm | Heh, had to repeat to get dpkg to say it :P |
| 18:05.37 | kbrooks | resiak: I'm not a liar, I'm SURE the cd's somewhere, but I don't want to look for it... |
| 18:05.45 | resiak | kbrooks: ... |
| 18:05.49 | resiak | *pouff* |
| 18:06.18 | kbrooks | resiak: and that means you...... |
| 18:06.21 | initech | damog: hey i jus rebooted and /var is totally gone can u pls hlp thnx. |
| 18:06.24 | resiak | !pouff |
| 18:06.26 | kbrooks | refuse tor help? |
| 18:06.27 | resiak | Hmm |
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| 18:06.39 | resiak | I defina... |
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| 18:06.44 | rbochan | bucky: thanks though |
| 18:06.48 | resiak | ...tely refuse to... |
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| 18:06.53 | resiak | ...help if you |
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| 18:07.12 | damog | initech: heh |
| 18:07.14 | kbrooks | resiak: if i what? |
| 18:07.22 | resiak | ...keep writing like this! |
| 18:07.27 | Eulex | kbrooks, noone is refusing to help, nobody knows the problem |
| 18:07.30 | MobyTurbo | !sunday |
| 18:07.30 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 18:07.31 | kbrooks | resiak: okay, i'll stop. |
| 18:07.44 | ricky_clarkson | MobyTurbo: I can confirm that. I'm not normally here. |
| 18:07.54 | resiak | !pouff is the sound people make when they go AFK |
| 18:07.54 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
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| 18:08.00 | kbrooks | the problem is that i need to install debian for a distro......... |
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| 18:08.06 | kbrooks | that i'm making |
| 18:08.13 | resiak | !stab kbrooks |
| 18:08.14 | MobyTurbo | ricky_clarkson: confirm that you're sane? The fact you're on #debian at all proves that wrong. ;-) |
| 18:08.28 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: Durham, Durham. |
| 18:08.32 | damog | kbrooks: #debian-custom |
| 18:08.35 | kbrooks | resiak: ok ok ok i'm ADDICTED to this. sorry |
| 18:08.35 | rbochan | kbrooks: I'm looking at google results that have tons of info |
| 18:08.46 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: Are you a member of staff at Durham Uni? |
| 18:08.51 | CaPu | can anyone give me a hand? I've downloaded a program, unzipped & tarred it, but I cant work out how to actual open the freaker... can anyone help me out? |
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| 18:09.13 | resiak | CaPu: What are you trying to install? |
| 18:09.16 | kbrooks | rbochan: you do know that i'm in irssi in debian-installer? |
| 18:09.18 | ricky_clarkson | CaPu: Read its README? |
| 18:09.37 | initech | kbrooks: is that as far as you can get or what? |
| 18:09.38 | CaPu | nope lol, brb, i'll read |
| 18:09.41 | mentor | ricky_clarkson: no... |
| 18:09.43 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: Does debian-installer not include links? |
| 18:09.53 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: let me check |
| 18:09.54 | CaPu | only reason i didn't was cause most of the readmes i did check out were no use :P |
| 18:09.55 | rbochan | or lynx |
| 18:09.59 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: CS student? |
| 18:09.59 | resiak | kbrooks: You could be in lin.... Damn you ricky_clarkson |
| 18:10.01 | mwilson | They always find it somehow amusing that they might actually be expected to read something. |
| 18:10.04 | mentor | ricky_clarkson: no... |
| 18:10.13 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: Bandwidth abuser? |
| 18:10.19 | MobyTurbo | ricky_clarkson: w3m, which supports tables, is the only text browser it installs. |
| 18:10.19 | mentor | ricky_clarkson: still no. |
| 18:10.24 | damog | kbrooks: Now that you are at #debian-custom, leave #debian. |
| 18:10.29 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: Go on, put me out of my misery. |
| 18:10.41 | mentor | ricky_clarkson: I'm a Maths and Physics UG |
| 18:10.47 | kbrooks | resiak: yes, i could be in ubuntu, but debian is of my highest priority |
| 18:10.50 | kbrooks | resiak: cya |
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| 18:11.05 | damog | cheers |
| 18:11.06 | damog | :) |
| 18:11.15 | rbochan | zoinks |
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| 18:11.24 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: My mate Martin did 1st year Physics at Durham years ago, then moved to CS at Salford, then CS at Preston. He just hates everything, especially Durham. |
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| 18:11.53 | mentor | ricky_clarkson: more fool him. |
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| 18:12.17 | Phroziac | !seen furrywolf |
| 18:12.18 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian (14h 23m 28s). Has said a total of 4363 messages. Is idling for 42m 38s |
| 18:12.24 | mentor | I think not equals is a symmetric realtion anyway. |
| 18:12.26 | Phroziac | oh |
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| 18:12.50 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: Not guaranteed, given C++ operator overloading. |
| 18:13.09 | mentor | ricky_clarkson: That's C++ not logic/reasoning/maths. |
| 18:13.14 | mwilson | ok, howinhell did gstreamer get installed again.. |
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| 18:13.31 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: When did you last see a maths professor actually write "!="? |
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| 18:14.50 | ricky_clarkson | and exstreme spellingggg. |
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| 18:15.04 | portahex | !spellingsmite ricky_clarkson |
| 18:15.12 | portahex | bah. i thought that one existed |
| 18:15.16 | ricky_clarkson | !apostrophesmite portahex |
| 18:15.28 | resiak | !spelingsmite portahex |
| 18:15.28 | bobbens | !fruitsmite ricky_clarkson |
| 18:15.31 | portahex | !magic hate ball |
| 18:15.39 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 18:15.40 | TBBle | ricky_clarkson ≠resiak |
| 18:15.51 | resiak | Hahah |
| 18:16.01 | ricky_clarkson | TBBle: I see an a with a caret on top, followed by a space. |
| 18:16.14 | TBBle | ricky_clarkson: Either you or me is not in UTF-8 mode then. |
| 18:16.14 | resiak | !utf8smite ricky_clarkson |
| 18:16.16 | resiak | :( |
| 18:16.23 | bobbens | TBBle: i see the tipical two bars with 4 numbers inside |
| 18:16.23 | rob_ | i have ubuntu and am having trouble upgrading gnucash1.8.9 to 1.8.11, i am told that it is not a pakage yet so is difficult to do |
| 18:16.23 | arvind | TBBle: helvetica is in the xfonts-75-100 package. all you need to do is enable bitmap fonts with fontconfig |
| 18:16.29 | arvind | TBBle: :) |
| 18:16.30 | ricky_clarkson | TBBle: Probably me because I'm using putty and I'm too stupid. |
| 18:16.41 | CaPu | how do i get TCK on my system/ |
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| 18:17.01 | TBBle | I've got putty in UTF-8 by default now, since all my machines are now en_AU.UTF-8 |
| 18:17.02 | funkyhat | rob_, #ubuntu |
| 18:17.08 | ricky_clarkson | TBBle: Got it. |
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| 18:17.26 | kazim | i need graph static value that are not regular anyone know a good tool ? |
| 18:17.29 | TBBle | Anyway, for those who aren't in UTF-8... |
| 18:17.31 | rob_ | will emplaying synaptic package gnue-appserver help?? |
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| 18:17.38 | TBBle | ricky_clarkson [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2260/index.htm] resiak |
| 18:17.38 | rob_ | employing |
| 18:17.41 | ricky_clarkson | TBBle: The problem is, every time I use putty, it's on (nearly) public access PCs with no Roman[sic] Profile. |
| 18:17.42 | bobbens | TBBle: mm i cant see that in ja_JP.UTF-8 |
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| 18:18.06 | TBBle | ricky_clarkson: Yeah, I can dig that. >_< |
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| 18:18.23 | TBBle | bobbens: Weird... Did it come through as a missing char, or nonsense? |
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| 18:18.32 | bobbens | TBBle: missing char |
| 18:18.35 | paulswm | !tell rob_ about ubuntu |
| 18:18.52 | ricky_clarkson | bobbens: Probably a font issue, dunno. |
| 18:19.04 | TBBle | bobbens: Yeah, it's a font issue then. |
| 18:19.08 | ricky_clarkson | bobbens: Try switching to normal UTF-8, show a different channel and come back. |
| 18:19.12 | Kennyjb402 | hi all, can someone tell me what is the command so I could reset my screen resolution |
| 18:19.29 | ricky_clarkson | Kennyjb402: Ctrl-Alt-+ (the + from your numpad), or: |
| 18:19.32 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx Kennyjb402 |
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| 18:19.33 | dpkg | Kennyjb402: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 18:19.43 | Kennyjb402 | ok thnx |
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| 18:20.06 | TBBle | U+2260, it's a math symbol. Can't say what font it's in, I just install all the likely-looking fonts by habit now. |
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| 18:20.43 | ricky_clarkson | U+2260? |
| 18:20.43 | bobbens | TBBle: yeah i need more fonts, because i'm missing some chinese kanjis also |
| 18:21.05 | ricky_clarkson | I thought Kanji was the Japanese set. |
| 18:21.35 | kazim | i need graph static value that are not regular anyone know a good tool ? |
| 18:22.05 | greycat | rrdtool, gnuplot |
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| 18:23.12 | TBBle | bobbens: The arphic ones are supposed to look good. I haven't bothered, just enough so I can do Japanese and english. ^_^ |
| 18:23.38 | gvandora | I'm not sure about how I should set the permissions for /var/www using apahe |
| 18:23.51 | equuelus_home | whats the difference between the binaries in /usr/bin/X11 and /usr/X11R6/bin? |
| 18:23.57 | Teufel | everyone should be able to read at least gvandora |
| 18:23.58 | TBBle | ricky_clarkson: Kanji is the japanese representation of a certain set of Chinese characters, borrowed over about a thousand years. From memory, kan-ji means chinese-character. |
| 18:24.14 | gvandora | Should the owaner and group for /var/www be root? |
| 18:24.30 | kazim | greycat: i trie rrdtool since yesterday but do you know if i can input data lder than today and with no regularity ? |
| 18:24.32 | ricky_clarkson | drwxr-xr-x 4 ricky root 4096 2005-04-18 18:18 /var/www |
| 18:24.34 | Teufel | or a user you want to write stuff with |
| 18:24.49 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, I seem to have modified that to let ricky write it. |
| 18:24.59 | jim | rickyroot! |
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| 18:25.03 | Teufel | if you want to start making ftp accounts, you can just set permissions so everyone can write |
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| 18:25.57 | jim | Teufel: if you trust everyone to not upload crap that could get you in various kinds of trouble... |
| 18:25.57 | gvandora | ricky_clarkson: thanks |
| 18:26.30 | gvandora | jim: its my home server system... but I do like to keep permissions correct |
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| 18:27.05 | Teufel | I just recently upgraded from an older version of GNOME and I get this message when I try to login now: ... gnome desktop was much simplified in version 2, and while many features were added, many were also removed. Thus it is not really possible to convert your existing setup. You will now be presented the standard debian/gnome desktop layout. Your old settings will still remain in the ~/.gnome/directory |
| 18:27.09 | ricky_clarkson | jim: It's life, but not as we know it. |
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| 18:27.20 | Teufel | But when I press ok it gives me another error and kicks me back to login screen |
| 18:27.31 | greycat | kazim: you supply the timestamp when you run rrdtool update. |
| 18:27.53 | greycat | for god's sake, how hard is it to type "man rrdtool", see the SEE ALSOs, and then type "man rrdupdate"? |
| 18:28.53 | jim | gvandora: correct as in how it originally was when you installed? as in how it's supposed to function? or as in how you prefer to have things work? |
| 18:29.13 | kazim | greycat: because i find not many french doc :/ |
| 18:29.33 | kazim | greycat: and rrdtool is not quite simple to understand for me :( |
| 18:29.41 | ricky_clarkson | Teufel: What is the other error? |
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| 18:30.19 | ricky_clarkson | kazim: Maybe your fellow Frenchmen should set to work translating. |
| 18:30.30 | RProgrammer | My SDL doesn't work, "SDL Init Error: No available video device", I have installed SDL, and I don't think doing anything with the "xhost" command will work, becuase even with "xhost +" it still doesn't work, and $DISPLAY is ":0.0" please help. |
| 18:30.41 | jim | there are certain things you could do with the permissions that are just wrong... for example denying permission of all dirs in home to chdir into them... it's wrong becasue then no user would be able to log in (i.e., you would have broken the functionality) |
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| 18:31.14 | jim | if you eliminate the absolutely-wrong things, everything else is preference |
| 18:31.20 | Teufel | ricky_clarkson: The files that contain your prefence settings are currintly in use. You can continue to use the current session but this might cause temporary problems with the preference settings in the other session, do you want to continue? |
| 18:31.32 | Teufel | when I click yes, I get one more error. I'm not logged into any other accounts |
| 18:31.51 | bobbens | TBBle: can you try repeating that symbol now? |
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| 18:32.16 | ricky_clarkson | Teufel: What is that one more error? |
| 18:32.23 | mono | how do i resolve these msgs : 2005-06-19 14:31:36 1Dk4a0-0001Jf-Ir Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Read-only file system: euid=102 egid=102 |
| 18:32.23 | mono | 2005-06-19 14:31:36 1Dk4a0-0001Jf-Ir Failed to create spool file /var/spool/exim4/input//1Dk4a0-0001Jf-Ir-D: Read-only file system |
| 18:32.23 | mono | 2005-06-19 14:31:36 1Dk4a0-0001Jf-Ir Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Read-only file system: euid=102 egid=102 |
| 18:32.35 | mono | (eek - sorry for the flood) |
| 18:32.36 | TBBle | bobbens: '≠' ≠'!=' |
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| 18:32.53 | ricky_clarkson | TBBle: Heh. |
| 18:32.57 | bobbens | TBBle: sigh, didnt work |
| 18:33.10 | DrkDemiGod | Can somebody tell me if there is a way to force my screen resolution to 1024x786? I'm new to Linux. During the install I picked the correct driver and correct resolution but it didn't take. |
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| 18:33.13 | caphuso | mono: isn't the "read-only file system" descriptive enough? |
| 18:33.21 | TBBle | bobbens: You could cutandpaste the character into a test file, and play with it at leisure. |
| 18:33.36 | mono | caphuso, well.. i've tried to modify the permissions without success |
| 18:33.39 | bobbens | TBBle: going to see if mozilla can display it, if it can its an xchat problem |
| 18:34.05 | caphuso | mono: it doesn't say "permission denied" |
| 18:34.09 | TBBle | In fact, you could cut and paste it into 'echo ≠| iconv -t ucs-2 | hd' to be sure it's 2260 |
| 18:34.12 | caphuso | mono: it says "read-only file system" |
| 18:34.25 | TBBle | bobbens: Did you set xchat to UTF-8? (/charset utf8) |
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| 18:34.43 | mono | caphuso, how do i change that? |
| 18:34.46 | ricky_clarkson | bobbens: Use irssi in a gnome-terminal, it's great. |
| 18:35.10 | caphuso | mono: well, not having the file system mounted read-only comes to mind |
| 18:35.18 | ricky_clarkson | Teufel: Maybe not, but surely that "one more error" is important to anyone else in the channel who might be able to help you. |
| 18:35.19 | masoft | bobbens, or use XChat in Gnome, KDE, ... |
| 18:35.34 | mono | caphuso, how do i change it so it doesn't mount my file system as read-only? |
| 18:35.38 | TBBle | Or irssi-text in uxterm. ^_^ |
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| 18:36.05 | caphuso | mono: depends on why it is read-only |
| 18:36.13 | caphuso | mono: which is now your job to find out |
| 18:36.22 | mono | caphuso, i tried to run fsck and used the ,ro |
| 18:36.24 | mono | :/ |
| 18:36.28 | Eulex | TBBle, I changed to utf8, no diff, there must be a special font you need for it... |
| 18:36.33 | caphuso | oh damnit |
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| 18:36.48 | mono | caphuso, then never mounted it back different |
| 18:36.54 | caphuso | mono: idiot |
| 18:36.54 | Thanatermesis | I have mounted my /dev in --bind, not are posible to umount... the message are "device is busy", how to umount ? |
| 18:37.00 | Teufel | The last error I get is: No configuration sources in the configuration file "/etc/gconf/2/path" this means that preferences and other settings can't be saved. Error reading the file: Failed: couldn't open path file "/etc/gconf/2/path" No such file or directory |
| 18:37.07 | mono | caphuso, thanks:) how do i fix that? |
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| 18:37.36 | masoft | Thanatermesis, you can kill the Process that making your device busy with fuser ;) |
| 18:37.40 | ricky_clarkson | mono: What, idiocy? Don't bother. |
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| 18:37.51 | caphuso | mono: uh, dunno. maybe revisit elementary school, and try to develop some common sense |
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| 18:38.41 | mono | caphuso, ricky_clarkson, ok enough projecting personality issues on this channel. either give a hand or keep quiet. this is not contractive |
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| 18:39.23 | TBBle | Eulex: Weird. I only installed fonts from Sarge here. |
| 18:40.09 | Eulex | TBBle, I just installed the fonts needed when installing gnome & X |
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| 18:41.21 | ricky_clarkson | mono: mount has a remount option iirc. |
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| 18:41.33 | Eulex | TBBle, ie dependencies |
| 18:41.42 | mono | ricky_clarkson, thanks |
| 18:41.49 | TBBle | Hmm. I grabbed... |
| 18:42.01 | caphuso | how can you manage to mount a filesystem read-only but not know how to no longer mount it read-only? |
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| 18:42.18 | ricky_clarkson | mono: "caphuso> mono: idiot" "mono> caphuso, thanks:) how do i fix that?" - Come on, that's so tempting to jump on! |
| 18:43.00 | mono | ricky_clarkson, caphuso -mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda4 |
| 18:43.09 | ricky_clarkson | mono: Cool. |
| 18:43.11 | TBBle | gsfonts ttf-freefont x-ttcidfont-conf xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-a12k12 xfonts-ayu xfonts-base xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib xfonts-intl-japanese xfonts-intl-japanese-big xfonts-kaname xfonts-kappa20 xfonts-marumoji xfonts-mona xfonts-mplus xfonts-scalable xfonts-shinonome |
| 18:43.17 | jasoncohen | it seems like every time i login to SSH as root i get "X connection to localhost:11.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)." when i try to run an X app or even mcedit. i can fix this problem temporarily by linking my users's .Xauthority to /root but it comes back when i re-login. how do i fix the problem? |
| 18:43.24 | caphuso | mono: congratulations. there's still hope for you |
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| 18:43.47 | mono | caphuso, you are so smart, sexy and wonderful. remind me the next time i see you to give you a lick |
| 18:43.54 | paulswm | Eeew |
| 18:43.58 | TBBle | jasoncohen: I'd vote for 'not sshing to root'. |
| 18:44.08 | jdhutchin1 | jasoncohen, I know it doens't answer your question, but don't log in as root |
| 18:44.14 | paulswm | !tell RProgrammer about away |
| 18:44.23 | jasoncohen | that's not helpful when i want to edit a configuration file and i need to be root |
| 18:44.26 | TBBle | jasoncohen: gksu or xsu or whatever is prolly a better choice. |
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| 18:44.56 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Why in the world do you think you need X in order to edit a file? |
| 18:44.59 | jdhutchin1 | jasoncohen, and disabling root login over ssh is not a bad idea |
| 18:45.07 | jasoncohen | mwilson, it's giving me that error when i use mcedit |
| 18:45.07 | jazzmanss | I installed sarge, and chose the 'desktop' installation which installed gnome and kde. I use xfce, so I installed xfce and removed gnome. Gnome seems to be taking over my xfce desktop every 3 days or so anyway. How can I ensure I'm not using gdm? |
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| 18:45.21 | memphisto114 | lu |
| 18:45.24 | QaDeS | does anybody know how to get the nvidia installer working on sarge? |
| 18:45.26 | jasoncohen | jdhutchin1, i only allow SSH login using public key auth |
| 18:45.31 | bobbens | jazzmanss: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 18:45.42 | jdhutchin1 | jazzmans, what do you mean, gnome takes over your desktop? |
| 18:45.44 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Don't log in as root. man sudo. |
| 18:45.49 | jasoncohen | but, what could be causing the problem. i see it on both my machines. |
| 18:45.53 | mwilson | QaDeS: Easy. You don't. |
| 18:45.59 | zumbi | !tell QaDeS about nvidia |
| 18:46.14 | memphisto114 | I've got debian sarge testing installed on my server and I don't know hot to migrate my system for stable release |
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| 18:46.22 | yowe | hey there |
| 18:46.27 | memphisto114 | to stable release |
| 18:46.30 | jazzmanss | jdhutchin1, my background changes to the default gnome background, the xfce right click menu is disabled and I get the gnome right click menu, (iow I can't do anything, as the right click menu is the main xfce menu) |
| 18:46.33 | yowe | is skype available on sarge ? |
| 18:46.51 | bobbens | yowe: you have to get a deb off the skype site |
| 18:47.01 | cmihai | jazzmanss: are you sure nautilus isn't running ?! |
| 18:47.03 | mono | caphuso, i am not sure what purpose a pessimist, un sestive, square minded person like yourself is doing here/serving here. stop masterbating and step out to the real world. i'm sure you are not that of a smartass there. and if you are, oh well, you already lost |
| 18:47.07 | mwilson | jasoncohen: nothing is causing the problem, because there is no problem. |
| 18:47.08 | jdhutchin1 | jazzmans, do you use nautilus or any other gnome-centric apps? I've seen the same thing happen when nautilus is running |
| 18:47.17 | jasoncohen | QaDeS, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 18:47.38 | yowe | cmihai : ok thanks; so it'll run directly form this ? i won't have to dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:47.50 | jazzmanss | cmihai, no I am not using nautilus, the only gnome based program I like is gkrellm. everything else is not gnome. |
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| 18:48.04 | cmihai | ps aux |grep nautilus ... |
| 18:48.16 | jasoncohen | mwilson, just because you think i shouldn't be using root to login to a machine behind a firewall using public key authentication with password protected keys doesn't mean there's no problem |
| 18:48.18 | mwilson | When did gkrellm become a Gnome application, and were you going to tell its upstream author? |
| 18:48.36 | jazzmanss | mwilson, assumption, I assumed it was a gnome based app. |
| 18:49.01 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: use su or sudo, that way you can run as user when that's needed, and root when that's a requirement. |
| 18:49.03 | jasoncohen | i should be able to use X apps and certainly mcedit as root over SSH. you can locally and X11 forwarding doesn't distinguish between users- so something is broken |
| 18:49.04 | jdhutchin1 | jasoncohen, it's a basic sysadm principle, don't log in as root. If you need to run an x program as root, use sudo |
| 18:49.12 | jasoncohen | MobyTurbo, i do use su |
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| 18:49.19 | jazzmanss | ps aux |grep nautilus shows nautilus running all right. |
| 18:49.20 | jdhutchin1 | jasoncohen, X authentication does distinguish between users |
| 18:49.25 | jasoncohen | jdhutchin1, i login as user and then su to root |
| 18:49.27 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: X is broken as root locally, what makes you think it would work under ssh? |
| 18:49.29 | jdhutchin1 | jazzmanss, that's your problem |
| 18:49.30 | cmihai | Well, pkill it |
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| 18:49.40 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Yes, so? |
| 18:49.55 | mwilson | jasoncohen: It's working exactly as it's supposed to work. |
| 18:49.55 | jazzmanss | yep, that did it, I kill -15 nautilus. thanks cmihai. |
| 18:49.57 | jasoncohen | MobyTurbo, it's broken as a local user? |
| 18:50.04 | TBBle | QaDeS: If you didn't get your answer, or didn't understand it, the instructions are all in the nvidia-kernel-source package's README.Debian |
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| 18:50.24 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: as local root. |
| 18:50.31 | mwilson | Why is it that people always decide "it doesn't work the way I think it should" == " |
| 18:50.35 | memphisto114 | try advanced install option |
| 18:50.36 | jdhutchin1 | jasoncohen, x programs use .Xauthority cookie authentication. They read ~/.Xauthority and pass that to the X server to verify they are being run by the correct user |
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| 18:50.45 | mwilson | Why is it that people always decide "it doesn't work the way I think it should" == "it's broken", or == "it has a bug"? |
| 18:50.48 | memphisto114 | for your nvidia install script |
| 18:50.50 | jdhutchin1 | jasoncohen, and when you su to root, the home changes to /root, and there is no Xauthority file there |
| 18:51.00 | mwilson | jdhutchin1: Uh, he knows that. |
| 18:51.04 | jasoncohen | and that's how it's supposed to work |
| 18:51.07 | jasoncohen | what if you sudo? |
| 18:51.08 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: Because the user is always right. |
| 18:51.19 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: well, strictly speaking, it's not broken - because you shouldn't run it as root in the first place. :P |
| 18:51.24 | mwilson | jdhutchin1: He's whining about having to re-do the authentication every time he logs in as root. |
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| 18:51.40 | memphisto114 | "xhost +" give all users Xserver rights |
| 18:51.45 | ricky_clarkson | memphisto114: No. |
| 18:51.50 | mwilson | jasoncohen: If you sudo, it uses YOUR X authentication, not the root one, that doesn't own the display. |
| 18:51.55 | ricky_clarkson | memphisto114: It gives all the WORLD Xserver rights. |
| 18:51.55 | MobyTurbo | memphisto114: it also is very insecure |
| 18:52.20 | memphisto114 | maybe |
| 18:52.52 | jdhutchin1 | maybe? it completely disables X authentication.... |
| 18:53.02 | memphisto114 | I only use this on my personal computer, when I realy need |
| 18:53.04 | jasoncohen | but with sudo, wouldn't i have to give the user access the files that are currently root read-only? |
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| 18:53.07 | ricky_clarkson | DISPLAY=YourIpAddress:0.0 xeyes --width=1024 --height=768 |
| 18:53.14 | ricky_clarkson | Now tell me you feel secure. ;) |
| 18:53.19 | mwilson | jasoncohen: How do you figure? |
| 18:53.27 | memphisto114 | and after I do a "xhost -3 |
| 18:53.33 | memphisto114 | and after I do a "xhost -" |
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| 18:53.52 | jasoncohen | mwilson, i thought the principle of sudo was that you give a user certain root privileges so he can execute commands safely as that user without needing root |
| 18:53.57 | mwilson | memphisto114: You should never use xhost. If you think you need to use it, you are mistaken. |
| 18:53.58 | ricky_clarkson | memphisto114: xhost +localhost is more secure, as in only connections from localhost will be allowed. |
| 18:54.07 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Yes, and? |
| 18:54.15 | caphuso | jasoncohen: not safely |
| 18:54.20 | jasoncohen | mwilson, well, i want to edit files that i want to be root read/write only |
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| 18:54.30 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Yes, and? |
| 18:54.31 | memphisto114 | yeah thx |
| 18:54.39 | jasoncohen | so, i wouldn't want to use sudo |
| 18:54.44 | jdhutchin1 | why not? |
| 18:54.45 | jasoncohen | it would open those files to the user |
| 18:54.50 | mwilson | jasoncohen: We're all waiting for you to tell us why that would be a problem. |
| 18:55.05 | ricky_clarkson | jasoncohen: sudo makes you temporarily root for the duration of the command. |
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| 18:55.24 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: Read more carefully. |
| 18:55.24 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Never actually bothered to learn how sudo worked, just dismissed it out of hand, huh? |
| 18:55.27 | memphisto114 | I search how to upgrade my testing sarge to the stable release |
| 18:55.28 | caphuso | the point of sudo is that you can give users access to things that require root permissions without giving them full root priviledges |
| 18:55.54 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: If I set a file to 600, root:root, I can open and edit it with sudo. |
| 18:55.58 | ricky_clarkson | memphisto114: apt-setup |
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| 18:56.02 | jasoncohen | mwilson, doesn't sudo give a user limited root privileges he would otherwise not have without needing to authenticate as root with root's password? |
| 18:56.13 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: And? |
| 18:56.20 | jdhutchin1 | jasoncohen, you authenticate with your password, yes |
| 18:56.36 | mwilson | paulswm: Of course. |
| 18:56.37 | jdhutchin1 | jasoncohen, and the privledges are limited based on the sudoers file. Read up on sudoers and visudo |
| 18:56.43 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: How do you execute a command as a non-root user with sudo? |
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| 18:57.11 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: sudo -u <user>, same as with su. |
| 18:57.20 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: speify in sudoers file |
| 18:57.25 | ricky_clarkson | Ack. |
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| 18:57.34 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: It *does* have a man page for a reason, after all. |
| 18:57.56 | jasoncohen | jdhutchin1, how is sudo more secure then? it protects against making mistakes but it makes a user account more valuable if it's hacked |
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| 18:58.00 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: Sorry, I'm sshing in from another box, and couldn't be bothered opening a new ssh connection. |
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| 18:58.12 | jdhutchin1 | jasoncohen, you can limit what commands a user is allowed to run, if you wish |
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| 18:58.29 | TwistedEmotions | If a bunch of packages are held back for whatever reason is there any way I can get them all to install? |
| 18:58.31 | ricky_clarkson | jasoncohen: No, you still need the root password to use sudo (unless you specify NOPASSWD in sudoers). |
| 18:58.44 | jasoncohen | ricky_clarkson, oh- i see |
| 18:58.44 | ricky_clarkson | That's wrong, I think. |
| 18:58.45 | jdhutchin1 | ricky_clarkson, the default is the user password, not the root password |
| 18:58.49 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Let's see... I can hack root, and do whatever the hell I want, or I can hack the user named 'jasonchoen', and gain some limited set of rights. |
| 18:58.49 | paulswm | mwilson: Just irritating that a lot of people seem to thing that su and sudo are somehow related to root, which they're not. I find them both useful in setting up a generic account for an application, but not allowing logings, so the user has to login as themselves and su to the account, which improves the audit trail somewhat. |
| 18:58.57 | ricky_clarkson | jdhutchin1: I realised after typing. ;) |
| 18:59.12 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Now, which is better? |
| 18:59.18 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: su and sudo both default to root, so they are sort of related to root. |
| 18:59.18 | paulswm | "scuse the appalling grammar and typing, btw |
| 18:59.22 | jvw | paulswm: su stands for 'super user' |
| 18:59.31 | ricky_clarkson | Substitute user iirc |
| 18:59.31 | jvw | paulswm: it *is* related (and originally intended) for root |
| 18:59.31 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: Uh, since when do you need the root password while using sudo? |
| 18:59.36 | QaDeS | ...there doesn't seem to ba nvidia-kernel-source packages on the debian server :o/ |
| 18:59.40 | paulswm | jvw: no it doesn't. |
| 18:59.42 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: Welcome to five minutes ago. |
| 18:59.44 | jvw | paulswm: ok, you can use it for other stuff too, but that's not the main application |
| 19:00.04 | jdhutchin1 | QaDeS, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 19:00.07 | cmihai | Actually, jvw "su" stands for "substitute user" |
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| 19:00.11 | cmihai | or switch user. |
| 19:00.15 | jasoncohen | mwilson, ok, sudo sounds better now |
| 19:00.22 | paulswm | jvw: switch user, not superuser |
| 19:00.24 | QaDeS | already got thew instruction page open |
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| 19:00.31 | mwilson | jasoncohen: You mean once you actually bothered to learn how it works? |
| 19:00.42 | QaDeS | but it's hard to follow as the given package doesn't seem on-board |
| 19:00.50 | jasoncohen | i was mistaken- sorry |
| 19:00.51 | ricky_clarkson | su (1) - Change user ID or become super-user |
| 19:01.03 | TBBle | QaDeS: They're in non-free and contrib. |
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| 19:01.14 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: No connection with the super-user, hmm? |
| 19:01.21 | cmihai | NAME |
| 19:01.22 | cmihai | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.46 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry, can't see the whole manpage from within irssi, just the whatis output. :@) |
| 19:01.59 | TBBle | Well of course, chaning user ID has a particular usecase of 'become super-user' |
| 19:02.02 | jvw | bah, right, then I must have been mistaken... |
| 19:02.11 | mwilson | Ok, now the RCS maintainer has gone insane |
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| 19:03.10 | paulswm | jvw: sorry, my mistake, su == "substitute user" |
| 19:03.23 | QaDeS | TBBle, how do i select this in apt-get? |
| 19:03.29 | mwilson | Yes, removing documentation is ALWAYS something desirable. |
| 19:03.40 | mwilson | </sarcasm> |
| 19:03.53 | QaDeS | removing wrong documentation is ^^ |
| 19:03.58 | TBBle | QaDeS: In /etc/apt/sources.list where it says main, add 'contrib non-free' |
| 19:04.07 | QaDeS | oic, ty |
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| 19:04.25 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: The command is short for "substitute user, not super-user, which is a poor moniker anyway. |
| 19:04.28 | TBBle | Heh. I always thought 'switch user' |
| 19:04.32 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: I said that. |
| 19:04.35 | QaDeS | ...line aint there LoL |
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| 19:04.44 | ricky_clarkson | = 19:59:32 < ricky_clarkson> Substitute user iirc |
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| 19:04.48 | TBBle | QaDeS: It doesn't say 'main' in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:04.50 | ricky_clarkson | = 20:04:27 < paulswm> ricky_clarkson: The command is short for "substitute user, not super-user, which is a poor moniker anyway. |
| 19:04.52 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: you'll see a lot more of that thanks to the FSF documentation license being DFSG non-free |
| 19:04.55 | Teufel | When I have to hard shut down my comp, when it starts up again it gives me the message /dev/hda1 was not cleanly unmounted, check forced." and it makes me sit through this huge ass test, is there any way to skip it? |
| 19:04.59 | TBBle | QaDeS: Are you by some chance using something other than Debian? |
| 19:04.59 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Welcome to 5 minutes ago. |
| 19:05.07 | QaDeS | nope |
| 19:05.09 | jasoncohen | well, i added my user to /etc/sudoers but when i use sudo, it asks for my user password- not roots |
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| 19:05.16 | jdhutchin1 | Teufel, how are you shutting down? |
| 19:05.23 | QaDeS | debian sarge, freshly installed from netboot disk |
| 19:05.24 | ricky_clarkson | MobyTurbo: FDL - is it changing? |
| 19:05.24 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: <ricky_clarkson> paulswm: No connection with the super-user, hmm? |
| 19:05.25 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Yes, as documented. Your point? |
| 19:05.28 | jdhutchin1 | jasoncohen, that's how it's supposed to work |
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| 19:05.36 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: welcome to 4 minutes away |
| 19:05.44 | cmihai | Grr... wheel ruled. |
| 19:05.44 | jasoncohen | ricky_clarkson jasoncohen: No, you still need the root password to use sudo (unless you specify NOPASSWD in sudoers). |
| 19:05.45 | Teufel | tjhutchin1 I usually shut it down via shutdown, but I had to just press the power button this time |
| 19:05.47 | paulswm | ago* |
| 19:05.50 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: The manpage explicitly mentions the super-user, in the description of it. |
| 19:05.57 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: RCS's documentation isn't covered by that. |
| 19:06.00 | QaDeS | gnah |
| 19:06.00 | TBBle | QaDeS: OK, add 'deb http://ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 19:06.01 | QaDeS | sorry |
| 19:06.06 | ricky_clarkson | jasoncohen: That was wrong, like I said. It's the user's password. |
| 19:06.09 | QaDeS | should read complete sentences |
| 19:06.10 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Wrong again. |
| 19:06.12 | QaDeS | *adding* |
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| 19:06.18 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: maybe he wanted to get on the remove-docs-for-etch bandwaggon. |
| 19:06.20 | jdhutchin1 | Teufel, does it still require the fsck when you shut it down via shutdown? |
| 19:06.21 | johaBBa | anyone know how to keep ssh from displaying its version when you, for example, telnet <host> 22? |
| 19:06.26 | Teufel | no |
| 19:06.30 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: the man page is incorrect, super-user is a historically inaccurate term which has unfortunately stuck |
| 19:06.35 | Teufel | tdhutchin1: no |
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| 19:06.43 | mwilson | johaBBa: Other than by actually reading the documentation? |
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| 19:07.01 | jdhutchin1 | Teufel, there's no problem then, when you just hit the power button, it may have been in the middle of writing some data to disk |
| 19:07.09 | johaBBa | mwilson, hrm...i looked at man sshd, sshd_config |
| 19:07.17 | mwilson | Grrr... which gnome package is actually trying to pull in dbus... |
| 19:07.19 | Teufel | tdhutchin1: but there is no way to just skip that test? |
| 19:07.19 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Only the present is relevant. 24 hour news, reality TV. Welcome to #101. |
| 19:07.20 | jdhutchin1 | Teufel, and if that data isn't written, the disk will be in an inconsistent state, and it has to check it to make it good again |
| 19:07.21 | kazim | anyone know if on RRDTOOL i dunno put a value every 300s it can keep the last value instead of make an hole |
| 19:07.29 | sideone | how do i knwo which version of debian is installed? |
| 19:07.30 | TBBle | johaBBa: That ability was added at some point, it depends on what version of ssh you've got. |
| 19:07.32 | mwe | when I do an apt-get dist-upgrade I get a message that some packages were kept back. what I causing that? |
| 19:07.41 | sideone | is there a flat file somewhere? |
| 19:07.42 | greycat | kazim: do it *yourself*. |
| 19:07.48 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: [room 101, 1984 reference] |
| 19:07.49 | johaBBa | TBBle, SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.4p1 Debian 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3 |
| 19:07.50 | MobyTurbo | sideone: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:07.56 | greycat | kazim: if your cron job doesn't have a value, use the previous one on this insertion. |
| 19:08.01 | TBBle | johaBBa: OK. It was definately added post-woody. |
| 19:08.02 | sideone | thx |
| 19:08.02 | streuner | sideone: or look into /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:08.18 | sideone | what is 3.1? |
| 19:08.20 | drac | johaBBa: Time to upgrade to latest stable :) |
| 19:08.23 | greycat | sideone: a number. |
| 19:08.26 | sideone | hah |
| 19:08.30 | johaBBa | TBBle, ah. i see. |
| 19:08.34 | sideone | is cat a bot? |
| 19:08.41 | streuner | !sarge |
| 19:08.41 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 19:08.42 | johaBBa | drac, i wish i could...it's on a colo VPS server |
| 19:08.54 | sideone | cool. thx, just making sure its not sid. |
| 19:08.58 | kazim | greycat: i don't work with cron because i want to make a graph of old value i have those value don't progress see what i mean ? |
| 19:08.59 | sideone | thanks streuner |
| 19:09.00 | ricky_clarkson | sideone: greycat is the scariest Dalek you could hope to meet. |
| 19:09.03 | streuner | sideone: dpkg, apt and reavenbird are bots |
| 19:09.08 | TBBle | I like the image of sarge as a big lump of free software. |
| 19:09.14 | streuner | s/reavenbird/ravenbird/ |
| 19:09.20 | Yan^ | Hello people, I have a very basic question about Linux. The "top" program says me that I have occupied 940 Mega of my 1024 mega memory. On the other hand I there is not much charge on the processor. Is this normal? |
| 19:09.23 | sideone | anyone run nagios in here? |
| 19:09.32 | mwilson | Yan^: Of course. |
| 19:09.54 | jazzmanss | If I remove gdm, will another display manager default or do I need to explicitly install another one? |
| 19:09.58 | Teufel | Is there a way to connect to the yahoo chat server from IRC? |
| 19:09.58 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 19:09.58 | dpkg | from memory, anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:10.04 | wols | Yan^: yes it is. all memory which is not used by programs currently is used for a disk cache |
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| 19:10.19 | mwilson | jazzmans: Do you have another one installed? |
| 19:10.21 | wols | Teufel: bitlbee |
| 19:10.25 | sideone | guess not. |
| 19:10.36 | Yan^ | mwilson: wols: why ? and should I buy more memory to speed up the thing? |
| 19:10.41 | jazzmanss | kdm is installed I think, but I'm looking to use the xfce dm soon as I figure out what it is. |
| 19:10.48 | greycat | kazim: what*ever*. Just fucking code your loop or your cron job or your telepathic robot or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU ARE USING to insert the previous value if you need it. |
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| 19:10.54 | jdhutchin1 | Yan^, no, you probably don't need more memory |
| 19:10.55 | memphisto114 | I don't know what to do whith apt-setup |
| 19:11.03 | wols | Yan^: cause memory which is not used by programs and not used by diskcache is wasted. and no, you shouldn't buy more memroy |
| 19:11.08 | ricky_clarkson | sideone: Ask a real question. |
| 19:11.09 | memphisto114 | noob++ I'm I |
| 19:11.09 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: No, I will fight against it, I will never use the term "super-user" which means nothing in a *nix context. I will say "root" and damn the ignorant masses! :P |
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| 19:11.17 | mwilson | Yan^: How would adding RAM speed anything up? |
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| 19:11.24 | wols | memphisto114: run it and choose your mirror |
| 19:11.28 | TBBle | mwilson: More disk cache? |
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| 19:11.36 | memphisto114 | apt-get always try testing packages |
| 19:11.38 | jazzmanss | mwilson, kdm is installed I think, but I'm looking to use the xfce dm soon as I figure out what it is. |
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| 19:11.45 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: 'root' doesn't have to be UID 0. |
| 19:11.49 | giupy_ | hi all |
| 19:11.49 | wols | memphisto114: then change your sources.list |
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| 19:11.54 | jdhutchin1 | jazzmanss, there's an xfce login manager? |
| 19:12.05 | Yan^ | wols: OK. I was stunned to see that the "%mem" information gives about 10-15 % of memory occuoied, but on the total 94% used |
| 19:12.16 | memphisto114 | and what shall I put in my sources.list? |
| 19:12.25 | ricky_clarkson | memphisto114: apt-setup |
| 19:12.26 | TBBle | Yan^: That's because unused memory is wasted memory. So Linux finds stuff to put in it. |
| 19:12.34 | ttick | I just installed "Sarge" on a new machine and would like to upgrade it do "testing", how do I do that? Just apt-get upgrade testing? |
| 19:12.41 | wols | memphisto114: replace the words where it says "testing" and put "sarge" or "stable" there instead |
| 19:12.42 | Teufel | wols" thanks |
| 19:12.50 | jazzmanss | jdhutchin1, yes xfce-window manager. |
| 19:12.52 | memphisto114 | ah yeahok |
| 19:12.53 | streuner | memphisto114: desktop system or server? |
| 19:12.58 | cmihai | Teufel: yes there is. |
| 19:13.00 | ttick | unfortunately, I tried to pick "testing" in the install but there's an error with one the etch files missing. |
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| 19:13.08 | cmihai | You can connect to Yahoo using bitlebee |
| 19:13.14 | memphisto114 | bofore I do that on my desktop ;-) |
| 19:13.15 | cmihai | bitlbee ... |
| 19:13.21 | giupy_ | i use testing and precompiled 2.6.11 kernel, since 3 days divx and mp3 go slowly, yes really, in mplayer i need to increase playback with "[" , other programs give me the same problem, wich can be the reason ? |
| 19:13.23 | memphisto114 | and after on my server |
| 19:13.26 | Devil_Kin | hello all, is there a reason why udev doesn't have a stop script? |
| 19:13.30 | kazim | greycat: you mean i haven't run the script since 1mouth i have to insert 30 time the last value ? a bit stupid no ? |
| 19:13.31 | jdhutchin1 | jazzmans, that's different than a login manager like gdm, kdm, or xdm |
| 19:13.42 | mwilson | Devil_Kin: Is there a reason why it needs one? |
| 19:14.02 | mwilson | Devil_Kin: btw... wtf does "stop script" mean in this context? |
| 19:14.05 | jdhutchin1 | jazzmanss, a window manager and a login (display manager) are different things, kde and gnome just happen to have written a login manager that suits their needs |
| 19:14.13 | Devil_Kin | mwilson: well, i am pretty sure that it's the reason why the mounting rw of my root fs fails (xfs) causing me trouble |
| 19:14.14 | jazzmanss | jdhutchin1, is there any benefit to using xdm over gdm? |
| 19:14.15 | sawyer_x | hi all. t5nx to ur help yesterday, i got x working |
| 19:14.17 | sawyer_x | startx |
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| 19:14.22 | Devil_Kin | mwilson: mounting ro i mean, at shutdown |
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| 19:14.31 | ttick | !upgrade testing |
| 19:14.47 | Devil_Kin | mwilson: i meant a symlink in /etc/rc0.d/ to the script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:14.47 | mwilson | Devil_Kin: And what leads you to believe that, other than knowing nothing about it? |
| 19:14.49 | streuner | memphisto114: that was a YES/NO question, can you just answer with yes or no? |
| 19:15.01 | ricky_clarkson | !mwilson++ |
| 19:15.06 | sawyer_x | but now, how do i change the resolutions? it accepts only up to 800*600, I want it to go to at least 1024*768 |
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| 19:15.11 | memphisto114 | yes |
| 19:15.24 | streuner | memphisto114: Do you want run your system as desktop system? |
| 19:15.28 | memphisto114 | I ve got a desktop |
| 19:15.28 | Devil_Kin | mwilson: fact that if i trigger a manual lazy umount i don't have a 'recovery mount' of my XFS, and that now that i've put one (at level 39) it stopped giving me trouble |
| 19:15.32 | memphisto114 | and a server |
| 19:15.34 | wols | sawyer_x: select a different monitor. one which is capable of 1024x768 |
| 19:15.35 | cmihai | sawyer_x: .... edit your x config file will you... |
| 19:15.35 | tarzeau | TBBle: yes. no deb. |
| 19:15.36 | streuner | memphisto114: ok, just run etch/testing |
| 19:15.41 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: Good look. |
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| 19:15.43 | ricky_clarkson | luck |
| 19:15.44 | memphisto114 | but no X on the server |
| 19:15.51 | arfy | hi all, I trying to use the auto tools to build a package. However, it's using automake 1.4, and the packages requires at least 1.7, so how do I tell the syste mto use the latest version? |
| 19:15.53 | wols | cmihai: editing X config files is bad |
| 19:15.59 | memphisto114 | so I try on my desktop before |
| 19:16.01 | sawyer_x | how do i edit the file? |
| 19:16.10 | QaDeS | TBBle, doesn't seem to work. sais it can't find the lists |
| 19:16.13 | sawyer_x | how do i edit thex config file? |
| 19:16.19 | wols | sawyer_x: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:16.21 | jim | vi |
| 19:16.22 | jim | emacs |
| 19:16.28 | arfy | nano |
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| 19:16.30 | sawyer_x | tnx |
| 19:16.32 | error403 | heh, wols got there before me... |
| 19:16.35 | QaDeS | this is getting boring :o/ |
| 19:16.36 | streuner | dpkg info xserver-xfree86 testing |
| 19:16.42 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (etch), Packaged size: 5607 kB, Installed size: 15616 kB |
| 19:16.49 | streuner | memphisto114: /msg dpkg setup x |
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| 19:17.21 | memphisto114 | yes |
| 19:17.27 | TBBle | QaDeS: Weird. What's the whole line look like now? |
| 19:17.29 | giupy_ | anyone with a sony vaio pcg-c1ve ? |
| 19:17.47 | streuner | memphisto114: yes for desktop system was enough... ;-) |
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| 19:17.50 | QaDeS | k, got it |
| 19:18.17 | memphisto114 | It's less important thant the server |
| 19:18.24 | JeffATL | does debian use grub in a standard from-floppy install? |
| 19:18.27 | QaDeS | was working on the old caches LoL |
| 19:18.37 | jim | JeffATL: yes |
| 19:18.40 | streuner | memphisto114: /j #debian.fr |
| 19:18.45 | memphisto114 | so it's ok |
| 19:18.53 | streuner | memphisto114: /j #debian-fr |
| 19:18.54 | QaDeS | didn't know it needed an update |
| 19:18.57 | mwilson | JeffATL: Fortunately it's not hard to make it install lilo instead. |
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| 19:19.04 | Axioplase | Hi! |
| 19:19.09 | memphisto114 | apt-get update find the good packs |
| 19:19.11 | QaDeS | what does gencaches t´do again? not what i expected, that's for sure ^^ |
| 19:19.13 | sawyer_x | tnx wols, cmihai. later! |
| 19:19.21 | cmihai | wols: why is editing x configs "bad" ?! |
| 19:19.28 | jim | but the from-floppy install assumes you can connect to the internet early in the process |
| 19:19.30 | JeffATL | jim: okay - where does it keep its grub.conf? |
| 19:19.34 | wols | cmihai: cause it breaks dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 19:19.44 | cmihai | Ah, then dpkg-reconfigure is bad. |
| 19:19.45 | wols | JeffATL: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:19.48 | TBBle | QaDeS: I've no idea. What's the manual say? |
| 19:19.54 | wols | cmihai: no it is not |
| 19:19.59 | Axioplase | I'm installing debian on a new server to replace an old server... How can I configure the new one so that it installs evything that was on the old server, including its conf files ? |
| 19:20.03 | streuner | memphisto114: #debian.fr was wrong, /j #debian-fr |
| 19:20.13 | jim | JeffATL: what is it you're trying to accomplish? install debian then install grub to boot it? |
| 19:20.15 | memphisto114 | yep it s ok |
| 19:20.20 | memphisto114 | I m on the chan |
| 19:20.20 | JeffATL | wols: thanks - I thimk i'm going to add a symlink... :) |
| 19:20.29 | jdhutchin1 | Axioplase, what was it running before? |
| 19:20.38 | arfy | hay, I've installed all of the auto* packages, but it appears to be using automake 1.4, etc. How do I get it to use automake 1.9? |
| 19:20.48 | Devil_Kin | mwilson: so well, that's why, really.. seeing a recovery mount each time is _not_ nice |
| 19:20.51 | ricky_clarkson | memphisto114: I hope you didn't ask "Does anybody speaks French?" in there. |
| 19:20.55 | JeffATL | jim: I had to use a minimal debian install to get gentoo on a box - both distros are going to share /boot and grub |
| 19:21.13 | mwilson | Devil_Kin: <shrug> So fix whatever the actual problem is. |
| 19:21.17 | memphisto114 | And now I try "apt-get upgrade" or "dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 19:21.26 | mwilson | Devil_Kin: Not stopping udev isn't it. |
| 19:21.28 | ricky_clarkson | memphisto114: dist-upgrade |
| 19:21.38 | memphisto114 | kk |
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| 19:21.46 | kokokjhkj | äéé |
| 19:21.49 | Axioplase | jdhutchin1: apache, exim, ssh mainly |
| 19:21.51 | kokokjhkj | îä äîöá? |
| 19:21.58 | jim | JeffATL: look in /boot/grub |
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| 19:22.26 | memphisto114 | that's all folk's ?? |
| 19:22.30 | JeffATL | jim: i'm already there; wols clued me |
| 19:22.32 | ricky_clarkson | kokokjhkj: #debian-bullshit |
| 19:22.58 | memphisto114 | ok |
| 19:23.02 | memphisto114 | thank's |
| 19:23.12 | Eulex | I'm trying to link my "media keys" on my laptop to make what they should do -- increase volume, decrease volume and mute... do anyone know a command line program I could bind it to? |
| 19:23.35 | mwilson | Ah, that's what's doing it... libgnomevfs2-common |
| 19:23.40 | ricky_clarkson | Eulex: aumix |
| 19:23.41 | giupy_ | Eulex hotkeys ? |
| 19:24.01 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, ok |
| 19:24.04 | Eulex | giupy_, yeah |
| 19:24.06 | ricky_clarkson | Eulex: aumix -v+, aumix -v- and aumix -v0 iirc - check the manpage. |
| 19:24.16 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, thanks |
| 19:24.22 | ricky_clarkson | Although unmute will be slightly harder. |
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| 19:24.47 | poonj | hey guys...anyone here know to rotate a postscript file by 180 degress? |
| 19:24.55 | poonj | would I use ps2ps? |
| 19:25.03 | tcsetattr | aumix comes with a /usr/bin/mute now |
| 19:25.05 | jasoncohen | sudo's man page says the default config is to use the user's password to authenticate. can i edit /etc/sudoers to require the root passwd? |
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| 19:25.12 | mwilson | poonj: You were given the answer the first time you asked... you chose to ignore it. |
| 19:25.13 | TBBle | poonj: pstops apparently. |
| 19:25.19 | jim | poonj: print it... then turn the paper... |
| 19:25.20 | mwilson | poonj: Are you going to ignore it again? |
| 19:25.21 | ricky_clarkson | tcsetattr: Excellent. |
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| 19:25.29 | kbrooks | FOUND IT!!!! |
| 19:25.38 | FieldySnuts | !win kbrooks |
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| 19:25.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, kbrooks! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:25.44 | kbrooks | damog, ^^^ fyi |
| 19:25.45 | the-dead | hi |
| 19:25.49 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:25.56 | poonj | mwilson: it didn't work |
| 19:25.58 | ricky_clarkson | What a dick. |
| 19:25.59 | the-dead | where is the debian m68k project channel? |
| 19:25.59 | poonj | mwilson: if it did |
| 19:26.05 | poonj | mwilson: i wouldn't be here asking again |
| 19:26.15 | mwilson | Next he'll tell us that ghostscript's ps2ps and psutils pstops are the same application. |
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| 19:26.19 | mejo | hello |
| 19:26.27 | poonj | mwilson: so don't be a bitch |
| 19:26.34 | deadcat | (= |
| 19:26.38 | mejo | since the last hplip upgrade, my HP LaserJet 1010 doesn't print any more. instead i get a segfault: |
| 19:26.41 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, yeah, the key should toggle between mute and unmute... and I don't know much about shell scripting, which would probably be needed |
| 19:26.42 | ricky_clarkson | poonj: Keep it calm. |
| 19:26.44 | mejo | hpijs[7121]: segfault at 0000000100577252 rip 000000000042d7b4 rsp 00007fffffffe970 error 4 |
| 19:26.45 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite poonj |
| 19:26.46 | ravenbird | poonj: cheerio mate |
| 19:27.02 | ricky_clarkson | Eulex: tcsetattr meanwhile said that aumix comes with a /usr/bin/mute now |
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| 19:27.04 | mejo | i use debian/unstable |
| 19:27.04 | jim | weeeak smitage! |
| 19:27.15 | poonj | ricky_clarkson: I would if people would be respectful.... |
| 19:27.16 | ricky_clarkson | !darwinsmite FieldySnuts |
| 19:27.24 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 19:27.27 | mwilson | People actually buy LJ 1010's ? |
| 19:27.32 | ricky_clarkson | poonj: Unlikely. The best solution is not to be offended. |
| 19:27.33 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, sorry, missed that |
| 19:27.41 | jim | mejo: so you've ran into something about unstable that's unstable? |
| 19:27.50 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: it's okay, he made an ass out of himself so most of us won't bother |
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| 19:28.44 | mejo | jim: the problem exists also after downgrading hplip. |
| 19:28.46 | ricky_clarkson | poonj: Although in that actual case it did appear at the time that you had merely ignored an answer, and asked the question again. mwilson couldn't have known. |
| 19:28.51 | jim | mejo: dig out your editor and gdb, and find where the problem is occuring, fix it and file a bug report with a patch |
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| 19:29.06 | poonj | I was given the answer ps2ps and mpage |
| 19:29.11 | poonj | I looked into it...no go |
| 19:29.13 | poonj | so I asked again |
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| 19:29.31 | FieldySnuts | for future use, it would have helped if you told us it didn't work, which is why we thought it was mindless repeating |
| 19:29.34 | mwilson | poonj: No, you were specifically given the answer 'pstops', and even told what package it comes from. |
| 19:29.43 | poonj | I dind't catch that bro |
| 19:29.48 | mfrisch | What can bork my MBR ?!?! |
| 19:29.53 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 19:29.55 | apt | EU 0wnz the USA! |
| 19:29.55 | mwilson | Sure you didn't. |
| 19:29.59 | ricky_clarkson | pstops is different from ps2ps? Hehe. |
| 19:30.15 | jim | poonj: with all that information you've given us describing your problem, its history and what you've tried and what were the results, I'd have to say: try ps2ps or mpage |
| 19:30.20 | the-dead | where is the debian m68k project channel? |
| 19:30.21 | ricky_clarkson | The EU doesn't even know how to own itself. |
| 19:30.23 | bwlang | faubackup is pretty broken for me... does anybody use something similar (for hard linking, disk based backups) |
| 19:30.30 | FieldySnuts | gee the windows "server" at work isn't responding, who's surprised say me me me |
| 19:30.38 | Eulex | mfrisch, windows can quite easily |
| 19:30.38 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: true |
| 19:30.43 | paulswm | me me me |
| 19:30.43 | mejo | jim: i really appriciate constructive hints. but thanks |
| 19:30.48 | poonj | mwilson: you think I have that much time on my hands to go ask the same question if I had the answer? |
| 19:30.52 | TBBle | poonj: I also suggested psnup |
| 19:30.58 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: penixsmite poonj |
| 19:31.02 | poonj | TBBle: okay |
| 19:31.03 | FieldySnuts | darn |
| 19:31.05 | mwilson | poonj: Pretty much, yeah. |
| 19:31.10 | ricky_clarkson | I'd like to add "turn your head upside down". |
| 19:31.13 | poonj | mwilson: yes, I don't spend as much time as you do in here |
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| 19:31.22 | FieldySnuts | now he's just insulting |
| 19:31.24 | paulswm | !asswipe poonj |
| 19:31.24 | jim | mejo: if you cannot do that, why are you running unstable? |
| 19:31.30 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: haha |
| 19:31.33 | paulswm | :D |
| 19:31.40 | mwilson | poonj: Good thing that wasn't required then, huh? |
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| 19:32.16 | ricky_clarkson | poonj: If you communicated better you might waste less time on productive things and have more time to frizzle away on IRC. |
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| 19:32.37 | jim | mejo: also, why are you expecting anyone here to know what the problem is if (say) it just happened for the first time ever? |
| 19:32.47 | poonj | ricky_clarkson: thanks for the hint |
| 19:32.49 | mfrisch | Eulex no doz went to sleep last night everything was fine..could not make calls today. reboot now no mbr and stuff would not work. restored. just wanted to know why? |
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| 19:33.10 | mwilson | Bloody stupid video card fan... |
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| 19:33.22 | Eulex | mfrisch, sure something didn't happen while you were asleep? |
| 19:33.23 | giupy__ | i use testing and precompiled 2.6.11 kernel, since 3 days divx and mp3 go slowly, yes really, in mplayer i need to increase playback with "[" , other programs give me the same problem, wich can be the reason ? |
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| 19:33.50 | Eulex | DoppelGanger, you mean backup? :) |
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| 19:34.09 | ricky_clarkson | Backing up an MBR isn't essential. |
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| 19:34.10 | jim | mejo: howbout this: have you checked the BTS? |
| 19:34.10 | mfrisch | dude I restored it allready. |
| 19:34.22 | DoppelGanger | tht also |
| 19:34.27 | DoppelGanger | the fate of the world is at stake |
| 19:34.33 | ricky_clarkson | Mmm, steak. |
| 19:34.38 | DoppelGanger | giupy__: its called testing get over it |
| 19:34.38 | paulswm | HAH |
| 19:34.38 | black13 | whenever i run xinit i get pam error |
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| 19:34.53 | Eulex | mfrisch, used the grub utils to re-write it? |
| 19:34.53 | jim | if you haven't even checked the bts, wt-f- are you running unstable?? |
| 19:34.58 | paulswm | Steak is my favorite animal. |
| 19:35.05 | FieldySnuts | !btssmite whoever you guys are talking about |
| 19:35.12 | mwilson | jim: To be the typical unstable user, of course. |
| 19:35.24 | FieldySnuts | "along with a chainsaw" nice addition |
| 19:35.27 | black13 | PAM, authentication failed, cannot star X server perhaps you don not have console ownership |
| 19:35.39 | ricky_clarkson | Actually I don't eat beef, but I'm partial to a gammon steak. |
| 19:35.40 | paulswm | Yes, very nice addition |
| 19:35.44 | mfrisch | Eulex lilo..but stuff was borked. Did dump/restore now it works |
| 19:35.55 | black13 | which of the /etc/pam.d/files would i need to edit to aleviate this problem |
| 19:36.15 | ricky_clarkson | Do 'normal' relational databases provide merge options. |
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| 19:36.37 | ricky_clarkson | So I could take a copy home, funk with it, then merge my changes back in to another later. |
| 19:36.38 | jim | if by typical you mean an unstable user who comes here before checking anywhere else or doing anything else, I'd tend to agree... but he did say he tried downgrading... which might suggest the problem is not in the thing he downgraded |
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| 19:37.00 | mwilson | jim: More likely it upgraded multiple packages. |
| 19:37.25 | jim | which he would have to check bts on each |
| 19:37.29 | jasoncohen | does sudo -s still use the original user's .Xauthority file? |
| 19:37.31 | mwilson | jim: Your average unstable user also can't be bothered to actually pay attention to what his box upgrades. |
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| 19:37.39 | black13 | Eulex, |
| 19:37.52 | jim | s/unstable// |
| 19:37.54 | Eulex | mfrisch, ok |
| 19:38.00 | Eulex | black13, eh? |
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| 19:38.02 | jasoncohen | i set sudo to use timestamp_timeout=5, runaspw so it asks me for my root password rather than user |
| 19:38.19 | jim | but then, it should be safer for either testing or stable |
| 19:38.30 | mwilson | jasoncohen: And you would do something stupid like that because...? |
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| 19:38.38 | black13 | Eulex, sorry |
| 19:38.49 | ricky_clarkson | I pay attention to what my box holds, rather than upgrades. |
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| 19:39.09 | ricky_clarkson | Saying that, I only upgrade when I've nothing urgent to do. |
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| 19:39.49 | jim | jasoncohen: for your root pw? why bother using sudo in that case? |
| 19:39.49 | mfrisch | Eulex can an email currupt my disk? |
| 19:40.00 | jim | if yuou're running windows... |
| 19:40.02 | resiak | mwilson: That's not a stupid thing to do. It makes it a more convenient su . |
| 19:40.18 | QaDeS | what's the easiest way to modify the daemons? |
| 19:41.01 | FieldySnuts | "the daemons"? |
| 19:41.03 | jasoncohen | jim, a) if i want to use root just to enter a command i have it remember it for 5 minutes so i don't have to enter it over and over again and b) i can use mcedit |
| 19:41.07 | jim | QaDeS: get their source and alter it |
| 19:41.08 | mwilson | resiak: sudo is already a more convenient su. |
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| 19:41.19 | QaDeS | the init scripts i mean |
| 19:41.23 | tcsetattr | speaking of BTS interactions, I've tracked down a bug and submitted a patch via reportbug. It turns out the original bug report was filed on the wrong package. Can I send one of those "reassign" messages, or do you have to be a debian developer? |
| 19:41.23 | daxiang | black13: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 19:41.25 | QaDeS | rcx.d |
| 19:41.28 | paulswm | QaDeS: what exactly do you mean? |
| 19:41.28 | QaDeS | ^^ |
| 19:41.32 | mwilson | jasoncohen: You really didn't listen to a single thing you were told by multiple people earlier, did you? |
| 19:41.34 | FieldySnuts | nothing like trading security for user convienence |
| 19:41.38 | paulswm | Ah |
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| 19:41.47 | jim | QaDeS: is there a readme in /etc/init.d? |
| 19:41.49 | c1pher | Does anybody here use the USS720 driver (USB to Parallel)? |
| 19:41.50 | paulswm | QaDeS: man update-rc.d |
| 19:41.52 | Eulex | mfrisch, it may have happened before you shut down your computer last night |
| 19:41.57 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite jasoncohen |
| 19:41.58 | ravenbird | jasoncohen: jeeeez mate who cut the dog in half? better check your bloody dacks mate |
| 19:42.08 | jasoncohen | mwilson, what is your problem? I'm using mcedit! it's not like i'm running X as root |
| 19:42.13 | black13 | daxiang, thanks |
| 19:42.13 | resiak | FieldySnuts: So by making sudo need root's pw then there's no trade. |
| 19:42.18 | daxiang | black13: if "X" as root from the console works, that was the problem |
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| 19:42.38 | mwilson | jasoncohen: And for the umpteenth time, whyinhell do you think you need the root password for anything? |
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| 19:42.54 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: so he can type it over an insecure remote connection? |
| 19:43.00 | QaDeS | hehehehe kde control center :oD found it |
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| 19:43.37 | black13 | daxiang, X as root works |
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| 19:44.06 | QaDeS | gnarf. there's no debian integration yet, right? |
| 19:44.08 | dbzdeath | how can i upgrade woody to sarge? |
| 19:44.09 | black13 | daxiang, i dont understand the rest of you statement |
| 19:44.15 | black13 | daxiang, though |
| 19:44.16 | TBBle | Debian integration with what? |
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| 19:44.24 | mwilson | dbzdeath: Read the Sarge release notes. |
| 19:44.25 | TBBle | dbzdeath: Sarge release notes will tell you that one. |
| 19:44.35 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: magic hate ball |
| 19:44.42 | FieldySnuts | preach it |
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| 19:44.48 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: Is it not just apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 19:45.03 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Not really |
| 19:45.05 | ricky_clarkson | Preaching makes the baby Jesus cry. |
| 19:45.06 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: Read the release notes, and then you will know. |
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| 19:45.11 | kbrooks | Ping. |
| 19:45.18 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: badgerpong |
| 19:45.23 | ricky_clarkson | !sarge release notes |
| 19:45.23 | dpkg | somebody said sarge release notes was http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 19:45.25 | mfrisch | Eulex 24/7 box |
| 19:45.29 | tcsetattr | the release notes say you should use aptitude... |
| 19:45.30 | kbrooks | On Debian noww. |
| 19:45.43 | kbrooks | :) |
| 19:45.50 | daxiang | black13: if X as root works, it was a permissions problem that you can fix by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common". This is one of the questions being asked when Debian is installed and "Console users" is the default. |
| 19:46.09 | Eulex | mfrisch, well, then you may have screwed your mbr anytime since last reboot... |
| 19:46.10 | black13 | daxiang, i see |
| 19:46.49 | black13 | daxiang, but this is an xorg variant |
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| 19:47.04 | black13 | daxiang, built inside debian |
| 19:47.05 | mfrisch | Eulex cool thanks.... |
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| 19:47.20 | DoppelGanger | black13: an xorg variant |
| 19:47.28 | mwilson | black13: Then talk to whoever created whatever unofficial packages you're using. |
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| 19:47.44 | black13 | mwilson, hehe that would be me |
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| 19:48.09 | kbrooks | wait wait |
| 19:48.11 | FieldySnuts | infinateRecursion(); |
| 19:48.14 | DoppelGanger | then i suggest you reread how to compile xorg and fix whatever you messed up on |
| 19:48.15 | daxiang | black13: than i think you have to find out for yourself |
| 19:48.16 | jasoncohen | FieldySnuts, how am i trading security for convenience? |
| 19:48.18 | kbrooks | black13: are you being lazy? |
| 19:48.33 | FieldySnuts | jasoncohen: if it isn't obvious, then you probably aren't capable of understanding, so screw it, have fun |
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| 19:48.47 | black13 | kbrooks, that is a loaded question, |
| 19:49.00 | black13 | kbrooks, when did you stop beating your wife |
| 19:49.03 | ricky_clarkson | And this is a loaded gun. |
| 19:49.05 | FieldySnuts | er. |
| 19:49.10 | Phated | ehm. |
| 19:49.11 | FieldySnuts | !shoot ricky_clarkson |
| 19:49.16 | ricky_clarkson | Don't point that GNU at me! |
| 19:49.18 | FieldySnuts | Phatedy! |
| 19:49.26 | Phated | 'ello, FieldySnutsy. |
| 19:49.30 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
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| 19:50.04 | jasoncohen | FieldySnuts, why- becuase i have sudo remember my password for 5 minutes? i don't allow direct remote-login to root. i don't allow password authentication. i dont' run X apps as root. In fact the only reason i care is because my preferred editor is mcedit. |
| 19:50.24 | kbrooks | void infiniteRecursion(void) { while(1) { infiniteRecursion(); } } |
| 19:50.26 | kbrooks | :) |
| 19:50.34 | FieldySnuts | jasoncohen: i stopped reading that 3 words in. please stop talking at me. |
| 19:50.38 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: hah |
| 19:50.39 | daxiang | black13: please stop bitching around |
| 19:50.41 | resiak | kbrooks: The while is unnecessary |
| 19:50.46 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: Why bother with the while(1)? |
| 19:50.54 | kbrooks | resiak: ok :P |
| 19:51.03 | FieldySnuts | #include "/dev/zero" |
| 19:51.03 | black13 | daxiang, i was about to say thank you for the help |
| 19:51.06 | Phated | Hahah. pwned. |
| 19:51.07 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: dunno...but |
| 19:51.09 | FieldySnuts | watch your ram disappear REAL fast |
| 19:51.09 | ricky_clarkson | Do something impossible, forever! |
| 19:51.15 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Hahahah |
| 19:51.18 | kbrooks | "explicit is better than implicit" |
| 19:51.29 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: is that a trick? |
| 19:51.35 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: Explicit rubbish. |
| 19:51.38 | FieldySnuts | resiak: i'm serious, write something with that, try to make it and your ram disappears in like 0.0001 miliseconds and it bitches |
| 19:51.44 | FieldySnuts | no harm |
| 19:51.45 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Hee hee |
| 19:51.53 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Later, later. |
| 19:51.55 | FieldySnuts | good way to flush shit to ram |
| 19:51.57 | FieldySnuts | er swap |
| 19:52.01 | ricky_clarkson | I've accidentally made a fork-bomb a couple of times. |
| 19:52.02 | kbrooks | lol |
| 19:52.13 | ricky_clarkson | A bash script that calls itself. |
| 19:52.27 | ricky_clarkson | That nearly required a reboot. |
| 19:52.30 | bush | BRILLIANT! |
| 19:52.38 | Eulex | mute |
| 19:52.38 | ricky_clarkson | !rot13 bushpx |
| 19:52.38 | dpkg | ohfuck |
| 19:52.44 | Eulex | ooops |
| 19:52.47 | Phated | Heh. |
| 19:52.49 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 19:52.50 | apt | USA should nuke North Korea! |
| 19:52.56 | ricky_clarkson | Again? |
| 19:53.02 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, sorry, that's not public knowledge. |
| 19:53.07 | Eulex | messing with aumix... |
| 19:53.10 | Phated | Why not, as long as we're discussing recursivity. |
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| 19:53.47 | FieldySnuts | cc1: out of memory allocating 1073741825 bytes after a total of 406192 bytes |
| 19:53.47 | FieldySnuts | MakeGho: *** [crap] Error 1 |
| 19:53.50 | FieldySnuts | splat |
| 19:53.57 | FieldySnuts | wtf? i didn't say MakeGho |
| 19:54.10 | richard | hey- i'm trying to build hostap from source- |
| 19:54.15 | richard | and i have some problems |
| 19:54.16 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: XChat? |
| 19:54.22 | FieldySnuts | yeah i guess |
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| 19:54.27 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Yes, it's a featurebug. |
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| 19:54.39 | Eulex | well, the action of nuking sure is a recursive action... it will make others nuke yourself, and you will nuke back etc :) |
| 19:54.42 | ricky_clarkson | Tab-completion when you didn't even press tab. |
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| 19:54.51 | kbrooks | lol |
| 19:54.59 | richard | i get this |
| 19:54.59 | daxiang | black13: see XWrapper.config(5) if xorg has it as well |
| 19:55.03 | richard | cp: cannot stat `driver/modules/*.ko': No such file or directory |
| 19:55.05 | richard | make: *** [install_2.6] Error 1 |
| 19:55.11 | FieldySnuts | funny thing is that I had crap.c sitting in my home with that #include |
| 19:55.25 | black13 | daxiang, thanks again |
| 19:55.38 | black13 | daxiang, i really appreciate the help |
| 19:55.53 | richard | anyone know why i get that error? |
| 19:55.59 | QaDeS | i'm impressed. this thing seems to work like a breeze =) |
| 19:55.59 | jdhutchin1 | richard, you actually have to build it before you can install it. Just run 'make' |
| 19:56.05 | black13 | i am just kind of sensitive about being called "lazy" |
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| 19:56.24 | QaDeS | lazy is goow, black13 |
| 19:56.28 | QaDeS | w*d |
| 19:56.35 | richard | i DID type make and build it first |
| 19:56.48 | richard | then i type make install and i get an error |
| 19:56.48 | Eulex | lazy people make simple code :) |
| 19:56.51 | TBBle | richard: Are you building from Debian source? |
| 19:56.53 | ColonelKernel | black13, ever wach chapelles show? |
| 19:56.55 | DoppelGanger | makke install |
| 19:56.57 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
| 19:56.59 | DoppelGanger | on a kernel |
| 19:57.00 | QaDeS | exactly that, Eulex :oD |
| 19:57.18 | richard | TBBle- no i'm using the source from aircrack's website |
| 19:57.20 | Eulex | I'm lazy :D |
| 19:57.20 | black13 | ColonelKernel, im black13 beatch! |
| 19:57.23 | TBBle | richard: Ah. |
| 19:57.24 | QaDeS | me too |
| 19:57.25 | ricky_clarkson | black13: Are you a programmer? |
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| 19:57.35 | TBBle | richard: What's the difference between that and the Debian package? |
| 19:57.36 | ricky_clarkson | black13: Laziness is an important attribute for any programmer. |
| 19:57.57 | richard | well, i have to use aircrack's patch to patch it, then build it |
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| 19:58.00 | black13 | ricky_clarkson, i get paid for programming and yelled at for programming |
| 19:58.00 | kbrooks | what starts with D, sells cheapo computers, and sucks? |
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| 19:58.39 | richard | well, i have to use aircrack's patch to patch it, then build it |
| 19:58.47 | TBBle | And what's aircrack's patch do? |
| 19:58.55 | richard | not sure really |
| 19:59.01 | QaDeS | crack air? |
| 19:59.01 | kbrooks | richard: link us to aircrack |
| 19:59.10 | richard | patch -Np1 -i ../aircrack-2.1/rawsend.patch |
| 19:59.12 | richard | okay |
| 19:59.15 | richard | link: |
| 19:59.27 | richard | http://www.cr0.net:8040/code/network/aircrack/ |
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| 19:59.37 | ricky_clarkson | :8040 spells trouble. |
| 19:59.39 | black13 | i kind of sad to hear about dave chapelle checking to rehab ... guy has had lots of bit parts in movies then half backed then he seems to hit it big |
| 19:59.48 | richard | whats wrong with 8040 |
| 19:59.49 | ricky_clarkson | Well, actually, "trouble" spells trouble, but you know what I mean. |
| 20:00.02 | kbrooks | richard: Not standard. |
| 20:00.09 | richard | whats bad about that? |
| 20:00.12 | jdhutchin1 | richard, you didn't patch it correctly either |
| 20:00.16 | richard | oh |
| 20:00.17 | jdhutchin1 | nvm actually |
| 20:00.20 | ricky_clarkson | richard: Usually non-standard ports mean that the user is running a server without the admin's permission/knowledge. |
| 20:00.24 | richard | how should i have patched it? |
| 20:00.25 | jdhutchin1 | you're using 2.1, I was thinking of 2.2 |
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| 20:00.51 | richard | 2.2 is out?!? |
| 20:01.03 | jdhutchin1 | there's a beta download on the site |
| 20:01.11 | jdhutchin1 | works fine for me |
| 20:01.12 | richard | maybe i should check that out and come back |
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| 20:01.30 | richard | did you patch it for host ap? |
| 20:01.42 | jdhutchin1 | richard, yes, I've used it (2.2) to patch hostap |
| 20:01.57 | black13 | i have said this before i would like to contribute to this forum but know one ask me question related to what im doing |
| 20:02.10 | richard | did you just follow the directions or do anything special? |
| 20:02.10 | kbrooks | black13: #define forum ? |
| 20:02.21 | jdhutchin1 | richard, just followed the directions |
| 20:02.24 | richard | ok |
| 20:02.28 | kbrooks | black13: forum == here? |
| 20:02.35 | richard | i'll check it out |
| 20:02.43 | richard | !mac dre |
| 20:02.49 | kbrooks | !DRI |
| 20:02.50 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri, or /join #dri |
| 20:02.52 | trave11er | richard: you know that there are binary hostap modules for stock debian kernels in the archive, right? |
| 20:02.53 | kbrooks | !dre |
| 20:02.55 | FieldySnuts | !hump dri |
| 20:03.14 | richard | traveller: yes, but i have to patch it then build it |
| 20:03.22 | trave11er | richard: why? |
| 20:03.25 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: do you feel sorry for dri? |
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| 20:03.27 | kbrooks | :P |
| 20:03.28 | richard | for aircrack |
| 20:03.33 | trave11er | richard: i see |
| 20:03.51 | trave11er | richard: so which part are you stuck at? |
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| 20:04.23 | FieldySnuts | apt: tor? |
| 20:04.43 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: may I poke you? :P |
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| 20:04.45 | error403 | I was wondering, i have seen the "REmote login" option on both kdm and gdm, does that mean i can log into the x-server of another computer on my network, and use it without the annoyance of VNC? |
| 20:05.14 | TBBle | Oh, right. Absolutely no interest to me then, since I'm trying to use hostap to setup an AP. |
| 20:05.18 | kbrooks | !hump kbrooks |
| 20:05.21 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: Don't bother asking, *he's* not going to turn you down. |
| 20:05.36 | kbrooks | :) |
| 20:05.38 | TBBle | Oops. Gotta remember to scroll down before replying. |
| 20:05.49 | black13 | i have taken deboostrap and some tools and made a factory for making bootable cds/flash |
| 20:06.01 | FieldySnuts | heh nice quit |
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| 20:06.26 | kbrooks | i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
| 20:06.32 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 20:06.41 | FieldySnuts | i'm taking a car, and making a car |
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| 20:06.47 | pngwn | heh |
| 20:06.55 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: let me guess: |
| 20:07.02 | trave11er | kbrooks: this distribution is a debian derivative and is not going to be supported here :-) |
| 20:07.06 | kbrooks | the cars will be different? |
| 20:07.31 | daxiang | error403: that's something also xdm supports, used for distributing x in _local_ networks. google for XDMCP. |
| 20:07.36 | kbrooks | trave11er: dude, and FieldySnuts is making an analogy exactly like that...... |
| 20:08.11 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd128 |
| 20:08.11 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
| 20:08.31 | Eulex | haha, there you go kbrooks, you got quoted :) |
| 20:08.31 | kbrooks | !qotd1 |
| 20:08.32 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
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| 20:08.41 | error403 | haha |
| 20:08.43 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: You da man. |
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| 20:08.49 | kbrooks | Eulex: i dont fucking care |
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| 20:08.52 | error403 | !qotd2 |
| 20:08.52 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 20:09.06 | ricky_clarkson | Everyone, you can see random quotes by doing /msg dpkg qotd0 |
| 20:09.11 | Eulex | haha |
| 20:09.18 | kbrooks | !qotd0 |
| 20:09.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 20:09.18 | error403 | and not doing it in channel... |
| 20:09.19 | kbrooks | !qotd0 |
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| 20:09.27 | ricky_clarkson | /MSG !!! |
| 20:09.28 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 20:09.29 | apt | Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians! |
| 20:09.29 | kbrooks | lol @ troubl1 |
| 20:09.42 | error403 | hehe |
| 20:09.48 | stef65 | can we just mention #ubuntu, #knoppix, #kanotix, #mepis and the like here? (Cars made out of cars) |
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| 20:10.03 | error403 | no, we cant, thats why its #debian |
| 20:10.03 | FieldySnuts | stef65: proceeded by "!fuck " yes |
| 20:10.05 | [jason] | I'm not sure where is the package 'xv'? |
| 20:10.15 | error403 | !fuck Debian |
| 20:10.18 | error403 | oops |
| 20:10.18 | kbrooks | [jason]: its shareware |
| 20:10.19 | ricky_clarkson | stef65: "Make a distro out of it" suggests that it isn't a distro already. |
| 20:10.25 | kbrooks | !fuck Magnet |
| 20:10.27 | kbrooks | :) |
| 20:10.29 | kbrooks | j/k |
| 20:10.31 | [jason] | kbrooks: oh, therefore not in the apt tree? |
| 20:10.40 | ricky_clarkson | stef65: "Make a new distro out of it" is what kbrooks should have said. |
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| 20:10.43 | kbrooks | [jason]: non-free, i believe |
| 20:10.46 | FieldySnuts | !just like |
| 20:10.51 | error403 | Mepis is not Debian... its like debian with added Windows bugs |
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| 20:10.57 | Eulex | hehe |
| 20:11.03 | [jason] | kbrooks: oh ok |
| 20:11.09 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: mockery eh? |
| 20:11.15 | daxiang | jason: it used to be packaged for debian in potato and before, but now there are good replacements. so i don't know whether it's still available, check packages.d.o |
| 20:11.17 | error403 | ~start a distro war |
| 20:11.18 | apt | Gentoo r0x0z! |
| 20:11.19 | [jason] | kbrooks: I can just add deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable non-free? |
| 20:11.27 | ricky_clarkson | !end a distro war |
| 20:11.29 | asg | error403: stop fucking with the bot |
| 20:11.32 | error403 | sorry |
| 20:11.37 | Eulex | haha... <dpkg> hmm... qotd95 is <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
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| 20:11.48 | kbrooks | error403: magnet is <reply>magnet linux. not supported here. |
| 20:11.50 | kbrooks | :P |
| 20:11.51 | kyu | :/// |
| 20:11.56 | kbrooks | error403: whoops |
| 20:12.05 | kbrooks | error403: didnt know you werent a bot |
| 20:12.09 | mborohovski | hey guys |
| 20:12.20 | mborohovski | any idea as to why when i do a suspend to disk the system shuts down? |
| 20:12.32 | kyu | Nope. |
| 20:12.34 | kyu | ;)) |
| 20:12.35 | mborohovski | as in, when i hit the power button after it suspends, it completely starts anew? |
| 20:12.40 | MakeGho | FieldySnuts: nah you did ;) |
| 20:12.40 | kbrooks | [jason]: ummm, dunno. ask around. |
| 20:12.54 | daxiang | mborohovski: kernel append? just guessing |
| 20:13.15 | paulswm | I have a sound problem, works in 2.6.8 but not in 2.6.1[01], the only diff that I can see is that lsmod shows for snd_pcm: snd_cs46xx,snd_pcm_oss (2.6.8) but snd_cs46xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss (2.6.1[01]). Any advice? |
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| 20:13.18 | mborohovski | what shoudl i append? |
| 20:13.26 | [jason] | hm, seems that xv is gone from the debian package tree... what a shame, great application. |
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| 20:13.32 | richard | hey guys, uhm- where do i find aircrack 2.2? |
| 20:13.34 | FieldySnuts | lame license |
| 20:13.37 | kbrooks | mborohovski: grub or uhhh |
| 20:13.37 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd83 |
| 20:13.37 | dpkg | somebody said qotd83 was <WiFiTux> how much can I paste here? -!- WiFiTux [~abonilla@natsj-9-netra20.ice.co.cr] has quit [Excess Flood] <ricky_clarkson> Not that much, obviously. |
| 20:13.41 | kbrooks | lilo |
| 20:13.42 | richard | i googles it, but could only find 2.1 |
| 20:13.48 | daxiang | richard: http://www.cr0.net:8040/code/network/aireplay-2.2.tgz |
| 20:14.05 | daxiang | mborohovski: see kernel docs |
| 20:14.10 | Eulex | [jason], xv views images, right? qiv is a great alterrnative |
| 20:14.21 | kbrooks | dpkg, qotd1000 is <reply> . |
| 20:14.22 | dpkg | okay, kbrooks |
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| 20:14.25 | mborohovski | kbrooks: lilo |
| 20:14.28 | [jason] | Eulex: yeah, well, I really like xv, I want xv, no substitute |
| 20:14.34 | kbrooks | dpkg, forget qotd1000 |
| 20:14.34 | dpkg | i forgot qotd1000, kbrooks |
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| 20:14.50 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: Please don't do crap like that. It's crap. |
| 20:14.54 | [jason] | Eulex: been using it for 10 years... |
| 20:14.55 | kbrooks | :) |
| 20:15.01 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: yes sir |
| 20:15.13 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: And the bot will eventually ignore you if you keep doing it. |
| 20:15.20 | daxiang | paulswm: i had problems like that too, simply doing alsaconf did it for me |
| 20:15.23 | Eulex | [jason], download & compile yourself... if you don't mind testing a completely free alternative |
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| 20:16.00 | paulswm | daxiang: Well that's how I got it working in 2.6.8, but no luck with 10 or 11, it seems to be that extra dependency and I don't know how to fix it. |
| 20:16.03 | FieldySnuts | !prise error403 |
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| 20:16.08 | [jason] | Eulex: I sure will do that, I however don't understand why it's not in the package tree, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there using it, no matter if it's old. |
| 20:16.08 | error403 | hehe |
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| 20:16.34 | paulswm | Linux sound setup really sucks ass, unfortunately. |
| 20:16.49 | bucky | no... just debian sound setup |
| 20:17.03 | jdhutchin1 | paulswm, alsaconf? |
| 20:17.06 | paulswm | bucky: Yeah, maybe |
| 20:17.20 | kbrooks | loll |
| 20:17.27 | kbrooks | may i ask a question? |
| 20:17.28 | kbrooks | :) |
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| 20:17.33 | kbrooks | j/k |
| 20:17.39 | daxiang | paulswm: yup that's true. maybe you could "blacklist" the modules that disturb you? |
| 20:17.47 | kbrooks | the question: is debian customizable? |
| 20:17.51 | resiak | !tell kbrooks -about enter |
| 20:17.54 | resiak | !tell kbrooks -about ask |
| 20:17.58 | paulswm | jdhutchin1: See my remark aboove. alsaconf don't fix it. As that single entry is the only thing different between the kernels, I assume that's causing it. |
| 20:18.02 | FieldySnuts | !tell resiak about stfu |
| 20:18.05 | resiak | :( |
| 20:18.16 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: answer my question.... |
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| 20:18.24 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: ask one |
| 20:18.28 | kbrooks | you interfered and now it's too late |
| 20:18.32 | asuffield | [jason]: you have to pay to use xv, of *course* it's not in the archive |
| 20:18.33 | FieldySnuts | okay, nevermind then |
| 20:18.39 | valdyn | mborohovski: apt-cache show hibernate |
| 20:18.39 | jethro | !qotd71 |
| 20:18.39 | dpkg | i guess qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 20:18.43 | daxiang | paulswm: i mean blacklist as in " /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 20:18.52 | paulswm | daxiang: But the snd_ac97_codec is loaded in both, I don't think I need to blacklist a module, just not have it referenced by snd_pcm |
| 20:18.53 | kbrooks | jethro: don't qotd me please |
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| 20:19.00 | error403 | !life the universe and everything |
| 20:19.04 | [jason] | asuffield: ??? you don't have to pay to use it, for personal use, you don't have to register. |
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| 20:19.07 | bucky | kbrooks, do you have a question |
| 20:19.17 | kbrooks | yes |
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| 20:19.22 | kbrooks | is debian customizable? |
| 20:19.25 | [jason] | asuffield: and it used to be in the package tree |
| 20:19.27 | cat | i have a question how can i browsed to a cd with an iso image? |
| 20:19.30 | FieldySnuts | [jason]: I think you may want to learn what debian is better. |
| 20:19.34 | bucky | kbrooks, no... next question |
| 20:19.38 | ricky_clarkson | Kyle, your mom sent me to say "ask a question or get off the darn internet". |
| 20:19.40 | DoppelGanger | is debian customizable now there is a tough one |
| 20:19.42 | asuffield | [jason]: Debian is not some toy for 'personal use' |
| 20:19.42 | daxiang | paulswm: think i can't really help you there. sound has always been a mistery for me on linux |
| 20:19.50 | [jason] | FieldySnuts: what are you talking about |
| 20:19.53 | paulswm | daxiang: Don't run hotplug, I'm not completely nuts :P |
| 20:19.57 | [jason] | asuffield: what are you talking about |
| 20:19.59 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: heh, fine. i'll fucking ask a QUESTION |
| 20:20.05 | paulswm | daxiang: Yeah, me too. |
| 20:20.13 | FieldySnuts | @annoy kbrooks |
| 20:20.13 | ravenbird | kbrooks: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
| 20:20.16 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hi! |
| 20:20.22 | [jason] | asuffield: why couldn't I use debian for 'personal use'??? |
| 20:20.31 | kbrooks | who likes debian and why? |
| 20:20.33 | daxiang | paulswm: i have hotplug running for some older machines, without acpi etc. that really sucks, yup. |
| 20:20.40 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hihi. |
| 20:20.43 | kbrooks | [jason]: you can. debian's GPL |
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| 20:20.45 | [jason] | asuffield: or for that matter, why couldn't I use debian for any use I freakin want |
| 20:20.47 | resiak | !tell kbrooks -about why debian |
| 20:20.51 | resiak | kbrooks: No, it's not. |
| 20:20.57 | asuffield | [jason]: that is *precisely* why xv cannot be in it |
| 20:20.58 | [jason] | kbrooks: what about debian's GPL? |
| 20:21.01 | bucky | kbrooks, just the 850 people in this channel and no one else |
| 20:21.05 | kbrooks | resiak: what is debian licensed under/ |
| 20:21.06 | FieldySnuts | @troll [jason] |
| 20:21.07 | [jason] | asuffield: ??? it WAS in it. |
| 20:21.17 | asuffield | a mistake |
| 20:21.22 | FieldySnuts | yeah and a decision got made to remove it, thankfully. due to its license. |
| 20:21.25 | [jason] | the mistake was to remove it |
| 20:21.30 | FieldySnuts | oh go away. |
| 20:21.34 | resiak | kbrooks: A number of licences |
| 20:21.39 | kbrooks | [jason]: licenses licenses licenses |
| 20:21.46 | FieldySnuts | you're probably one of these people that thinks mplayer should be in debian |
| 20:21.47 | [jason] | kbrooks: I don't care care care |
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| 20:21.56 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: Debian is DFSG-free. |
| 20:21.58 | [jason] | FieldySnuts: of course mplayer should be in there. |
| 20:22.00 | ricky_clarkson | [jason]: A ga do do do |
| 20:22.01 | FieldySnuts | then use another distro if you don't care about software freedom that much. |
| 20:22.09 | FieldySnuts | we happen to |
| 20:22.24 | valdyn | FieldySnuts: mplayer could indeed be in a new "non-us" ) |
| 20:22.24 | daxiang | FieldySnuts: well the decision was made by the maintainer who didn't support it anymore. i figure somebody else could package it though. |
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| 20:22.36 | kbrooks | [jason]: licenses are issues arent they? and you fucking WANT xv in JUST BECAUSE? nope, sorry, can't do. get out of here! |
| 20:22.37 | paulswm | I care about a professional distro, and debian is that. |
| 20:22.49 | kbrooks | paulswm: me too? |
| 20:22.50 | [jason] | kbrooks: sorry if you're retard my friend. |
| 20:22.51 | daxiang | valdyn: don't need to. patents will be in europe sooner or later |
| 20:22.53 | kbrooks | er .* |
| 20:22.53 | mborohovski | so guys |
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| 20:23.03 | daxiang | valdyn: unfortunately |
| 20:23.04 | Phated | Non-US-europe! |
| 20:23.04 | mborohovski | if i append resume=/dev/sda2 to my kernel boot options |
| 20:23.08 | valdyn | daxiang: yea, but its not sure when and if. |
| 20:23.35 | mborohovski | it seems as if it immediately tries to suspend-to-ram when it boots |
| 20:23.35 | Phated | ... Which, on second thought, isn't as funny as it might have been in other situations. |
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| 20:23.47 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: singlishsmite Phated |
| 20:23.47 | dpkg | Phated: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
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| 20:23.56 | gteppel | Are there any debian packages out there that will monitor traffic on an interface? My debian box is a gateway router and I would like to track usage |
| 20:23.57 | paulswm | kbrooks: Why debian to me is stability, consitency, support. I don't care about running the app released last week, I want everything to work. Just my $0.02. |
| 20:24.03 | ricky_clarkson | gteppel: ethereal |
| 20:24.05 | valdyn | mborohovski: apt-cache show hibernate - nice scipts to suspend. |
| 20:24.15 | Phated | :( |
| 20:24.28 | paulswm | But sound setup still suck ass. |
| 20:24.30 | asuffield | Phated: it's your own fault for living in an incomprehensible country |
| 20:24.31 | paulswm | sucks |
| 20:24.36 | FieldySnuts | ethereal, etherape (both gui), some others i forgot |
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| 20:24.38 | kbrooks | paulswm: consitency can be (ab)used to the extreme ;) like with gentoo |
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| 20:25.01 | gteppel | ricky_clarkson: ok... is it pratical to run etheral 24/7? isn't it a resource hog |
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| 20:25.17 | mborohovski | valdyn: but what abotu the appended kernel option? |
| 20:25.17 | ricky_clarkson | gteppel: Dunno. |
| 20:25.28 | kbrooks | gentoo SUCKS DICK. compilation time outweights its ADVANTAGES |
| 20:25.34 | bucky | kbrooks, what do you mean 'like with gentoo'? |
| 20:25.35 | valdyn | mborohovski: i dont know them, hibernate appends ( whatever it is ) for me. |
| 20:25.36 | FieldySnuts | stop trolling please |
| 20:25.44 | paulswm | kbrooks: Sure, although gentoo has its place if you are building a highly specific environment, I'm sure. |
| 20:25.47 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: whoo, me? |
| 20:25.49 | daxiang | paulswm: did you make oldconfig? maybe check the related modules, it doesn't remove broken modules automatically (had that problem with some graphics card once). |
| 20:25.52 | deadcat | kbrooks: #/dev/null |
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| 20:26.03 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: if me, fine, i'll stop |
| 20:26.05 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: you drunk or something? you're a much bigger assclown than you usually are |
| 20:26.05 | [jason] | kbrooks: troll |
| 20:26.12 | kbrooks | i'll stop |
| 20:26.14 | kbrooks | now |
| 20:26.16 | FieldySnuts | [jason]: you should talk |
| 20:26.17 | bucky | FieldySnuts, he's not trolling.. he just doesn't know what the hell he's talking about |
| 20:26.20 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: You don't have to compile everything if you use gentoo. The GRP (Gentoo Reference Platform) is a collection of binary packages. |
| 20:26.41 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: which isn't anywhere close enough to complete to rely on |
| 20:26.44 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: true, but i'm DISCOUNTING it because grp's FINAL |
| 20:26.44 | daxiang | kbrooks: i wouldn't use gentoo either but i think they really have some nice howtos on a number of things online. |
| 20:26.48 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: They said it was. |
| 20:26.50 | FieldySnuts | if you're gonna run gentoo you compile. period. |
| 20:26.57 | paulswm | daxiang: I didn't biuld the 11 kernel, although I'm using a custom 8. But it works with the stock 8 image, and not with the stock 10 or 11 images. |
| 20:26.58 | FieldySnuts | i know becuase i run it as well |
| 20:27.09 | Phated | Blasphemer! *runs* |
| 20:27.09 | FieldySnuts | damnit brb |
| 20:27.10 | bucky | kbrooks, who does Daniel Robbins work for now? |
| 20:27.18 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: I hosted a Gentoo conference last year, and had a good conversation with some Gentoo developers. |
| 20:27.18 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: grp's scrict. grp and sources cannot interpolate |
| 20:27.24 | valdyn | paulswm: what exactly is not working? |
| 20:27.26 | kbrooks | strict* |
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| 20:27.30 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: By interpolate do you mean mix? |
| 20:27.36 | daxiang | paulswm: ah, i see. well i'm still running stable with newer kernels |
| 20:27.36 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 20:27.41 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: that's false. |
| 20:27.43 | [jason] | Gentoo isn't bad at all just different concept. |
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| 20:28.01 | [jason] | probably more suited for a workstation |
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| 20:28.07 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: are you sure? if so, then people are spreading FUD, then........ |
| 20:28.08 | ricky_clarkson | Gentoo seems designed for tinkering, rather than just getting on and Doing Stuff. |
| 20:28.13 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: you're one of them |
| 20:28.17 | kbrooks | debian is more suited for a server |
| 20:28.30 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: no, *other people*. |
| 20:28.32 | valdyn | [jason]: its inherently gazillion times harder to debug than a binary based distro. |
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| 20:28.54 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: i honestly hate gentoo and will never ever use it again. |
| 20:28.54 | FieldySnuts | no it isn't. you compile an app with debugging on and you can debug it. |
| 20:29.05 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: fine, this is #debian , we're tired of hearing about it |
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| 20:29.08 | bucky | who does Daniel Robbins work for now... i guess he didn't care about freedom in software |
| 20:29.15 | FieldySnuts | @troll bucky |
| 20:29.20 | [jason] | valdyn: it all depends what you're doing, and your level of comprehension of course, I however believe that debian is 'cleaner' |
| 20:29.34 | kbrooks | debian > gentoo ;) |
| 20:29.35 | daxiang | bucky: just because he is working for M$ doesn't make gentoo bad. stop trolling |
| 20:29.40 | kbrooks | anyway |
| 20:29.47 | paulswm | valdyn: sound :P Alsa. No gnome fanfare, no xine sound, etc. The speakers and everyting work OK, and it is a difference simply between booting 2.6.8 and 2.6.11, the only difference in the modules is that snd_ac97_codec is inserted in the snd_pcm list for 2.6.11, so I think that's the issue. |
| 20:29.49 | [jason] | valdyn: but that's one man's opinion of course. |
| 20:29.54 | jasoncohen | why doesn't apt-listchanges filter out woody tagged bugs on sid & etch? |
| 20:30.00 | kbrooks | i shall discuss debian...... |
| 20:30.10 | kbrooks | so....... |
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| 20:30.13 | bucky | FieldySnuts, that's what this conversation denigrated to, 'why isn't mplayer in debian' |
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| 20:30.23 | jasoncohen | apt-listchanges showed me a 2 year old woody tagged bug on iptables that's been fixed long ago |
| 20:30.44 | FieldySnuts | because of it's shitty licenses, especially when it comes to using binary dlls, and their devs are cocksmacks |
| 20:30.52 | bucky | kbrooks, is debian customizable? |
| 20:30.54 | FieldySnuts | i'm glad debian doesn't put up with that trash |
| 20:31.16 | cafe_roy | bucky: no |
| 20:31.24 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: what shitty licenses? |
| 20:31.28 | kbrooks | bucky: yes |
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| 20:31.38 | kbrooks | !troll kbrooks |
| 20:31.39 | valdyn | paulswm: is /proc/asound/pcm identical on both setups? |
| 20:31.43 | kbrooks | there done |
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| 20:31.54 | bucky | kbrooks, the question is... can you customize it and still have it be debian |
| 20:32.01 | FieldySnuts | no declaring was needed |
| 20:32.08 | kbrooks | bucky: no |
| 20:32.08 | Phated | Cocksmacks. I like that one. It's a refreshing change from wanker. |
| 20:32.16 | DoppelGanger | yeah |
| 20:32.18 | paulswm | valdyn: I'd have to reboot to check. |
| 20:32.19 | DoppelGanger | i had to write tht one down |
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| 20:32.22 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
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| 20:32.40 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts: okay then. |
| 20:32.43 | Phated | DoppelGanger: You need a storage upgrade, clearly, if you have to resort to portable media. |
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| 20:32.53 | paulswm | valdyn: thanks for your application of thought, much appreciated. |
| 20:33.11 | DoppelGanger | ha ha sometimes low tech solutions come in handy |
| 20:33.33 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Or a portable Internet connection. |
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| 20:34.01 | kbrooks | I don't have any real questions at the moment except for one: I want user mode linux in debian. Is it in sarge? the user-mode-linux package? |
| 20:34.01 | paulswm | rebooty! |
| 20:34.02 | daxiang | bucky: what do you mean by "customizing"? of course you can. everybody does it. |
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| 20:34.11 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Heh. |
| 20:34.19 | DoppelGanger | kbrooks: ask google |
| 20:34.26 | valdyn | paulswm: you probably have a 2nd sound device that was not found w/ 2.6.8 - that's what i was thinking - the ac97 module being loaded could point to that |
| 20:34.40 | bucky | daxiang, ask kbrooks it was his question |
| 20:35.20 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak you are the weakest link |
| 20:35.21 | dpkg | jaja you are the weakest link jaja |
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| 20:35.40 | daxiang | bucky: probably got lost ;) |
| 20:36.01 | bucky | kbrooks, apt-cache show kernel-patch-skas |
| 20:36.04 | daxiang | valdyn: paulswm is rebooting |
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| 20:36.29 | bucky | !info kernel-patch-skas |
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| 20:36.38 | daxiang | paulswm: valdyn suggested you might have a 2nd sounddevice, you didn't have with 2.6.8 |
| 20:36.38 | dpkg | kernel-patch-skas: (Separate Kernel Address Space patch), section devel, is extra. Version: 3-9.3 (sid), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
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| 20:36.43 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Are you just showing off your reboot time? You seem to reboot often. |
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| 20:37.07 | daxiang | ricky_clarkson: gotta listen. he needed to in order to get soudn working ;) |
| 20:37.11 | daxiang | sound |
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| 20:37.45 | paulswm | daxiang: thanks |
| 20:37.49 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: apt-cache search user mode linux |
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| 20:38.08 | daxiang | paulswm: so what's /proc/asound saying? |
| 20:38.12 | black13 | does a net install for debian etch even exist |
| 20:38.14 | paulswm | valdyn: /proc/asound/pcm is identical with both. |
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| 20:38.33 | kbrooks | black13: yes |
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| 20:38.42 | kbrooks | black13: use google |
| 20:38.45 | daxiang | black13: you can of course install etch using d-i, check the docs. |
| 20:38.54 | kbrooks | dondelelcaro! |
| 20:38.56 | bucky | kbrooks, apt-cache show kernel-patch-skas |
| 20:39.12 | notty | i can't get my cdrw working. i get when i type cdrecord -scanbus the cdrw is not in the list.. any ideea how can i start to make it work ? |
| 20:39.19 | kbrooks | bucky: i already installed that. |
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| 20:39.33 | blas | hi, how can i install x with kde on my fresh sarge? |
| 20:39.35 | valdyn | notty: cdrecord -dvd=ATAPI -scanbus |
| 20:39.36 | black13 | daxiang, dpkg install making sure that sources list points to testing? |
| 20:39.43 | valdyn | notty: cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
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| 20:39.51 | paulswm | rebooty once more to check if I have a dummy card with 2.6.11 |
| 20:39.51 | [jason] | woa, pretty cool xserver's package supports newport graphic adapters out of the box |
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| 20:40.06 | daxiang | notty: cdrecord dev= ... (look that up in man page) |
| 20:40.20 | notty | valdyn: now i can see it :) |
| 20:40.50 | black13 | debian etch is 3.1-r1 correct |
| 20:40.51 | valdyn | notty: you dont need that then. just use 'cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc' should work too |
| 20:41.05 | cheal | black13: 3.1-r0a |
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| 20:41.14 | cheal | black13: or 3.1 r0a |
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| 20:41.22 | kbrooks | black13: no. |
| 20:41.23 | daxiang | black13: no etch is sid, 3.1-r1 doesn't exist yet |
| 20:41.29 | cheal | oops |
| 20:41.35 | cheal | gotta sleep |
| 20:41.37 | kbrooks | daxxar: wrong. etch != sid |
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| 20:41.53 | daxiang | kbrooks: yup of course, |
| 20:42.02 | kbrooks | daxxar: oldstable, stable, etch, sid |
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| 20:42.09 | kbrooks | daxiang: * |
| 20:42.20 | daxiang | kbrooks: i meant sid is unstable and will always be. ahem. |
| 20:42.25 | ricky_clarkson | paster: You are +q. Stop trying to circumvent it. |
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| 20:42.47 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: he isnt +q |
| 20:42.57 | ricky_clarkson | paster: You are not +q. Stop trying to circumvent it. |
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| 20:43.03 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 20:43.06 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: dondelelcaro -q'd him. |
| 20:43.07 | kbrooks | :) |
| 20:43.15 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: paster is a bot |
| 20:43.21 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
| 20:43.33 | kbrooks | a bot designed to.......what?/ |
| 20:43.37 | ricky_clarkson | Paste? |
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| 20:43.42 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: deal with pastes |
| 20:43.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell kbrooks -about paster |
| 20:43.49 | kbrooks | ok |
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| 20:43.55 | paulswm | Nope, /proc/asound/cards shows the same single one: |
| 20:43.55 | paulswm | 0 [CS46xx ]: CS46xx - Sound Fusion CS46xx |
| 20:43.55 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:44.53 | black13 | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 20:45.12 | Golfgeo | Hi all, does anyone know of a comandline app that will let me create an animated gif from multiple image files? |
| 20:45.27 | daxiang | paulswm: so /p/a/modules is also just one module. hm. |
| 20:45.31 | dondelelcaro | Golfgeo: convert |
| 20:45.33 | masoft | Golfgeo, ImageMagick I think ! |
| 20:45.34 | kvn | Golfgeo, look into ImageMagick |
| 20:45.42 | kvn | animate is the IM command I believe. |
| 20:45.51 | blas | how can i use my ps2 mouse in console? |
| 20:45.57 | masoft | !IM |
| 20:45.59 | paulswm | daxiang: yes, 0 snd_cs46xx |
| 20:46.03 | Golfgeo | dondelelcaro, masoft, kvn: Thanks mates |
| 20:46.05 | DoppelGanger | blas: gpm |
| 20:46.15 | blas | DoppelGanger thanks |
| 20:46.18 | daxiang | blas: gmp |
| 20:46.29 | dondelelcaro | kvn: animate just does the display... convert, composite or montage will do the composition. |
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| 20:46.50 | kvn | Gotcha. |
| 20:47.20 | dondelelcaro | (although, animate really is just a stub to the imagemagick library, so you may be able to get it to behave equivalently |
| 20:47.22 | kvn | I would never create animated GIFs so I haven't had to know ;-) |
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| 20:48.16 | Golfgeo | :-) |
| 20:48.28 | kbrooks | ? |
| 20:48.32 | Golfgeo | net split |
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| 20:48.34 | blas | hm what is the mouse ps2 device? psaux? |
| 20:48.39 | kbrooks | fuck them! |
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| 20:48.49 | Golfgeo | lol |
| 20:49.00 | kbrooks | LJ: ping |
| 20:49.00 | daxiang | blas: yup, probably need module psmouse as well |
| 20:49.02 | kbrooks | :P |
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| 20:49.09 | notty | cdrecord -v speed=48 dev=0,0,0 -data cd_imag should write me a cd ? |
| 20:49.32 | drac | blas: mousedev and psmouse loaded, and it's in /dev/input/mice |
| 20:49.40 | kbrooks | notty: don't use cdrecord directly if you are using KDE, or GNOME. |
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| 20:49.54 | notty | kbrooks: i don't any X |
| 20:49.55 | kbrooks | notty: use K3B or gnome-baker instead |
| 20:50.02 | kbrooks | notty: no? |
| 20:50.02 | paulswm | daxiang: I'm going to leave it for now, rebooting back to sound, I'll try to do more diagnosis later, appreciate your time. |
| 20:50.04 | j0k3r | hi all |
| 20:50.07 | moomin | hey im interested in trying debian, im trying to find a iso on the mirrors, but in the i386 cd-iso folder, there are like 14 binary iso files? which ones do I need?? |
| 20:50.08 | daxiang | notty: driveropts=burnfree might be a good idea as well, don't need -data |
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| 20:50.20 | blas | drac: okey now xserver asking:) |
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| 20:50.46 | notty | daxiang: can you give me an example of command that should write my cdimage ? |
| 20:50.48 | richard | hey again- uhm, when i do #iwconfig ath0 up, i get an error |
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| 20:51.33 | kbrooks | LinuxJones: ping |
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| 20:51.44 | bruce2005 | hi, i have uml installed and wanted to set up scripts so i can start it up with a single command like 'uml' any help is appreciated |
| 20:51.45 | richard | pentm1700:/home/steve# iwconfig ath0 up |
| 20:51.45 | richard | Error : unrecognised wireless request "up" |
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| 20:52.02 | CaPu | hi guys - is there a command to download ALL the debian tools via FTP? (and preferably auto install them? lol) |
| 20:52.03 | daxiang | notty: __ cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0 -v -eject speed=4 FILE.iso __ does it for my cd-rws. |
| 20:52.05 | cheal | moomin: as much as you wish to have on CD, if you don't want to get the netinst |
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| 20:52.14 | kbrooks | bruce2005: go and look at user-mode-linux.sf.net |
| 20:52.22 | richard | anyone know why that happens? |
| 20:52.28 | bucky | CaPu, which debian tools/ |
| 20:52.34 | richard | pentm1700:/home/steve# iwconfig ath0 up |
| 20:52.34 | richard | Error : unrecognised wireless request "up" |
| 20:52.35 | CaPu | the whole lot |
| 20:52.51 | CaPu | bucky: i want every single tool, that you'd get as if i burnt the entire distro |
| 20:52.54 | daxiang | CaPu: kidding? |
| 20:52.58 | cheal | CaPu: what do you mean by "debian tools"? |
| 20:53.09 | LinuxJones | kbrooks, hey |
| 20:53.09 | CaPu | well.. y'know lol |
| 20:53.25 | CaPu | all the extras? |
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| 20:53.31 | richard | !tell CaPu about mac dre |
| 20:53.35 | CaPu | i dont know how to describe what i want :( |
| 20:53.48 | trave11er | CaPu: you can install the build-essential pseudo-package, which will pull in a minimum set of developer's tools |
| 20:53.55 | bucky | CaPu, apt-get install debhelper modutils kernel-package libncurses5-dev fakeroot build-essential |
| 20:53.55 | daxiang | CaPu: you probably want the dvd-images. |
| 20:53.57 | Hool | if i can see a network card in my dmesg and my network is still dead.. where do i begin to look? |
| 20:54.01 | bruce2005 | kbrooks: i dont see any info on setting up scripts at user-mode-linux.sf.net |
| 20:54.09 | kryptech | I want to reinstall the boot loader (lilo wont boot because I installed it wrong), is there a way I can do this in debian |
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| 20:54.22 | CaPu | daxiang: i cant do dvd images, that's why i did a net install |
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| 20:54.41 | ofed | how big is the entire distro nowadays? |
| 20:54.49 | richard | 5 dvds |
| 20:54.49 | bruce2005 | hi, i have uml installed and wanted to set up scripts so i can start it up with a single command like 'uml' any help is appreciated |
| 20:54.52 | paulswm | CaPu: You can't install *everything* becasue some things are mutually exclusive |
| 20:54.57 | notty | daxiang: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -v -eject speed=4 file worked perfect, thanx a lot |
| 20:55.02 | daxiang | CaPu: ah. and you are already runnig your debian. want to distribute it onto other clients or what? |
| 20:55.02 | bucky | CaPu, a net install is the right thing to do |
| 20:55.06 | CaPu | people said i could get the additional debian files i needed later via ftp - but it's proving hard to know what i'll need |
| 20:55.17 | daxiang | notty: you're welcome |
| 20:55.21 | bucky | CaPu, apt-get install debhelper modutils kernel-package libncurses5-dev fakeroot build-essential |
| 20:55.27 | CaPu | so i thought i'd shove on the whole lot :) is it possible? |
| 20:55.29 | richard | capu- get them when you need them |
| 20:55.34 | trave11er | CaPu: are you trying to build some debian packages from source? |
| 20:55.46 | CaPu | tbh im not sure what the hell im doing =) |
| 20:55.51 | kbrooks | bruce2005: uh, no. no info... but there are the necessary programs for the script to run |
| 20:55.51 | jethro | bruce2005: http://pastebin.ca/15043 |
| 20:55.54 | bucky | CaPu, did you see my reply ^^ |
| 20:56.04 | daxiang | CaPu: first you should check your sources.list. You will probably want to get some files from marillat |
| 20:56.05 | trave11er | CaPu: well, it's nice to figure out what you want first :-) |
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| 20:56.07 | CaPu | yep |
| 20:56.13 | jethro | kbrooks: if you don't know, just don't answer. |
| 20:56.40 | kbrooks | jethro: okay....... |
| 20:56.42 | CaPu | it's hard for me to figure out what i need.. im trying to get this tk8.5 something or other - then compile & run AMSN |
| 20:57.03 | CaPu | but for some reason, i'm getting a tonne of error.. (Which i cant actually paste because it's ALOT of letters i dont understand on another pc :)) |
| 20:57.04 | blas | startx | failed to initalize core devices |
| 20:57.07 | blas | whats this? |
| 20:57.11 | cafe_roy | Hool: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
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| 20:57.36 | trave11er | CaPu: if you want to build something which is not in debian, you should read documentation, listing what it needs for building |
| 20:57.54 | FieldySnuts | !fgi blas failed%20to%20initalize%20core%20devices |
| 20:57.55 | dpkg | blas: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=failed%20to%20initalize%20core%20devices |
| 20:58.00 | CaPu | tcl - i got that, and this other file i didn't have |
| 20:58.08 | trave11er | CaPu: then use apt-cache search and apt-cache show commands to examine whether these prerequisites are already packaged for debian |
| 20:58.10 | kryptech | does the debian cd have a recovery mode? |
| 20:58.13 | CaPu | it was telling me to download something & install that, but it wont work |
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| 20:58.20 | bucky | CaPu, you need tk8.5-dev |
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| 20:58.37 | CaPu | should i shove that on apt-get? |
| 20:58.42 | bucky | CaPu, which version of debian are you using? |
| 20:58.42 | daxiang | CaPu: install apt-file, that tool shows you which package you need to install to get a specific file. |
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| 20:59.03 | CaPu | daxiang: so "Apt-get install apt-file" ? |
| 20:59.12 | bucky | CaPu, which version of debian are you using? |
| 20:59.19 | daxiang | CaPu: yup. |
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| 20:59.36 | CaPu | 3.0 i think - cant remember... let me just try what dax said: i'll look up version when it's done & report back |
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| 21:00.15 | moomin | so if i want to get a basic install with kde and the base system going, which cd's iso should i download |
| 21:00.16 | bucky | CaPu, 3.0 doesn't have tk8.5 |
| 21:00.37 | cheal | moomin: the first |
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| 21:00.52 | daxiang | CaPu: what does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 21:00.55 | quevedo | hello |
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| 21:02.08 | quevedo | I need help to compile the kernel |
| 21:02.16 | CaPu | i installed that file: and, my version is 3.1 |
| 21:02.22 | bucky | CaPu, debian doesn't have tk8.5 so i don't think you're running debian |
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| 21:02.43 | bucky | CaPu, did you build tk from source? |
| 21:02.46 | CaPu | bucky, i downloaded tk8.5 |
| 21:02.57 | CaPu | attempted to |
| 21:03.01 | valdyn | !info tk8.5 |
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| 21:03.15 | CaPu | borked bot? |
| 21:03.27 | resiak | He's updating |
| 21:03.30 | quevedo | the mein problem is that I have a isa sound card and when I look for als100/120 in the kernel sources I don't find it |
| 21:03.31 | bucky | CaPu, then you're going to have to tell your ./configure where to find the libs and headers |
| 21:03.43 | CaPu | :| oh jesus |
| 21:03.52 | CaPu | i've had linux about 23 hours... |
| 21:03.58 | CaPu | i dont have a clue where they are =) |
| 21:04.06 | resiak | moomin: The first 3 or so |
| 21:04.09 | valdyn | CaPu: which distro are you running? |
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| 21:04.23 | CaPu | debian? |
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| 21:04.29 | jethro | CaPu: don't ask us |
| 21:04.30 | daxiang | CaPu: just do ./configure inside that directory, that should figure everything out if you have them installed. |
| 21:04.30 | CaPu | that be why im at this channel =) |
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| 21:04.55 | daxiang | CaPu: if you have /etc/debian_version and it contains the string "3.1" you are running sarge. |
| 21:05.11 | valdyn | !info tk8.4 sarge |
| 21:05.27 | CaPu | :| so im not on debian at all? |
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| 21:05.28 | dpkg | tk8.4: (Tk toolkit for Tcl and X11, v8.4 - run-time files), section libs, is optional. Version: 8.4.9-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 934 kB, Installed size: 2572 kB |
| 21:05.40 | resiak | CaPu: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:05.48 | CaPu | resiak: 3.1 |
| 21:05.55 | resiak | CaPu: Then you are. |
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| 21:06.04 | CaPu | thank god |
| 21:06.06 | resiak | CaPu: Sarge is Debian 3.1 |
| 21:06.11 | CaPu | really confused me there |
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| 21:06.14 | daxiang | CaPu: so you are runnign Debian GNU/Linux, release "Sarge" |
| 21:06.16 | CaPu | *notes* |
| 21:06.26 | trave11er | :-) |
| 21:06.30 | CaPu | righto lol, cool |
| 21:06.37 | myren | how do i find what package a file belongs to? |
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| 21:06.48 | CaPu | brb then - to work! |
| 21:06.49 | streuner | myren: man dpkg |
| 21:06.52 | CaPu | thanks @ all |
| 21:06.54 | daxiang | myren: apt-file |
| 21:07.08 | daxiang | myren: dpkg --search if it's installed |
| 21:07.22 | notty | ok, now that the cdrw is working what is the best method to do an weekly snapshot ? but i want only the new / modified files on the cd. anyone can help me with this ? |
| 21:07.35 | kbrooks | :) |
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| 21:07.37 | kbrooks | er |
| 21:07.40 | kbrooks | sid |
| 21:07.40 | daxiang | notty: you want to google for jigdo |
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| 21:07.57 | daxiang | kbrooks: show off bugger |
| 21:08.05 | daxiang | ;) |
| 21:08.11 | kbrooks | daxiang: please be nice |
| 21:08.18 | notty | daxiang: can that snapshot files ? or just the debian instalation ? i need the files |
| 21:08.22 | daxiang | kbrooks: i am ;) |
| 21:08.26 | kbrooks | :P |
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| 21:08.47 | kbrooks | :) |
| 21:08.50 | kbrooks | j/k |
| 21:08.55 | black13 | hey this kind a trivial question but i remember debian being around long before the movie toy story |
| 21:08.57 | kbrooks | ummmmm |
| 21:09.13 | black13 | what did they call the release before that |
| 21:09.23 | Eulex | !gentoosmite eulex |
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| 21:09.45 | daxiang | notty: jigdo mounts your cd and downloads only those files/parts of file that have changed. kinda like rsync. but have to look it up for yourself, it's really good documented on the net |
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| 21:11.33 | kbrooks | !gentooosmite black13 |
| 21:11.36 | myren | frakking A, my x is pooched. :/ |
| 21:11.38 | kbrooks | !gentoosmite black13 |
| 21:11.40 | kbrooks | :P |
| 21:12.10 | daxiang | black13: see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive and install "debian-history" |
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| 21:12.52 | streuner | black13: Bruce Berens had a wonderful idea, he gave debian versions names |
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| 21:13.04 | Mez | how annoyed am i gonna be if i try and install debian |
| 21:13.10 | black13 | perens |
| 21:13.14 | black13 | great guy |
| 21:13.17 | masoft | !black13 |
| 21:13.30 | Mez | and can someone kickbacn murat for join spamming porn sites? |
| 21:13.32 | streuner | yeah, i thought it was wrong, sorry |
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| 21:13.42 | kbrooks | meppl: you wont be annoyed, since debian lets you install kde and gnome |
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| 21:13.52 | kbrooks | nope |
| 21:13.55 | kbrooks | sorry |
| 21:13.59 | kbrooks | we cant |
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| 21:14.05 | Mez | sorry you cant what |
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| 21:14.40 | streuner | prolly with delay... |
| 21:14.43 | jasoncohen | black13, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases.en.html |
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| 21:15.22 | kbrooks | :P |
| 21:15.25 | meppl | kbrook, i never was annoyed about anything at this subject |
| 21:15.32 | kbrooks | meppl: |
| 21:15.37 | jasoncohen | the first debian release based on a toy story character was 1.1 Buzz |
| 21:15.41 | kbrooks | Mez: you wont be annoyed, since debian lets you install kde and gnome |
| 21:15.47 | kbrooks | meppl: typo |
| 21:15.53 | daxiang | somebody running kdevelop here? on a fresh sarge-install the icons for the debugger "kdbg" are gone here. the toolbar is still there though |
| 21:15.54 | kbrooks | meppl: didnt notice |
| 21:15.57 | jasoncohen | which was released june 17th, 1996. toy story was released in 1955 |
| 21:15.59 | jasoncohen | *1995 |
| 21:16.07 | kbrooks | damn tab completion |
| 21:16.13 | meppl | kbrooks, okay ;) |
| 21:16.30 | kbrooks | btw. |
| 21:16.43 | daxiang | kbrooks: ? |
| 21:17.14 | thomas_adam | daxiang: Ask in #debian-kde. |
| 21:17.26 | bucky | CaPu, you need tkConfig.sh |
| 21:17.36 | daxiang | thomas_adam: thx. |
| 21:17.41 | bucky | CaPu, updatedb and locate tkConfig.sh |
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| 21:21.09 | arfy | hi all. I've installed all teh auto* packages, as a program I want to compile requires at least automake 1.7, however, the system sems to be using v1.4. How do I change this? |
| 21:22.23 | trave11er | arfy: there is automake1.7 package, i believe |
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| 21:23.11 | arfy | yes I've install all of them, automake, automake1.6, 1,7, and 1.9, but the automake execseems to be v1.4 still. |
| 21:23.25 | arfy | However, I note it's a symlink to a file in /etc, so. |
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| 21:23.35 | trave11er | arfy: man update-alternatives |
| 21:23.44 | arfy | thanks |
| 21:23.47 | mwilson | Great... soneone else who's going to manually screw the alternatives system. |
| 21:23.58 | arfy | yes, that's the link it was point at. |
| 21:24.00 | mwilson | Ever consider just installing the one you want, and leaving the others out? |
| 21:24.14 | mwilson | Or was that too easy? |
| 21:24.21 | JeffH | I followed the following guide to setup postfix in sarge (http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/#virtualdomains) but the forwardings don't seem to work.. there's no mention of the forwardings table in the mysql.log. What might I have missed? |
| 21:24.35 | arfy | yeah, but I just did apt-get -q install autoconf, ut it autoselected the older version. |
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| 21:24.48 | mwilson | arfy: So? |
| 21:25.19 | arfy | that cool, just was wonering how to switch to the newer version, but I have the answer now. :) |
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| 21:26.03 | mwilson | There are significant operational and compatability differences between the various versions... that's why they're all available. Did you consider specifically calling the one you wanted? |
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| 21:28.09 | trave11er | mwilson: and what exactly is wrong in using the alternatives mechanism to select the version one wants? |
| 21:28.19 | trave11er | err, with using |
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| 21:29.01 | trave11er | i'd say, that's what it is designed for |
| 21:30.30 | norton | I'm going to install debian on my desktop coputer. Since the stable version is newly released should I go for it, or choose unstable directly, since I'll probably jump to unstable in the future when stable becomes to outdated for me ? |
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| 21:31.04 | paulswm | norton: if you want recent, use testing and *not* unstable, as unstable is unstable and will break from time to time. |
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| 21:31.21 | kbrooks | i use unstable ;) |
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| 21:31.26 | jethro | !lart kbrooks |
| 21:31.27 | talkwebhosts | progeny unstable |
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| 21:31.29 | talkwebhosts | works fine |
| 21:31.29 | talkwebhosts | ;P |
| 21:31.31 | jethro | !qotd71 |
| 21:31.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 21:31.32 | daxxar | kbrooks, you hilighter! :o |
| 21:31.34 | norton | paulswm: oh, i meant testing. :) Thats what im been using before |
| 21:31.38 | kbrooks | but it WILL break |
| 21:31.39 | jethro | and you use unstable .. |
| 21:32.12 | paulswm | norton: I'm not sure if there is yet a testing installer, so maybe install sarge and then dist-upgrade to etch |
| 21:32.55 | paulswm | norton: I'm running etch, no issues as far as I can tell. |
| 21:33.29 | JeffH | Is there a way to view the triples that are in my postgrey database? |
| 21:33.47 | norton | paulswm: ok.. well, then i can install sarge. and do a dist-upgrade only when i need it |
| 21:33.49 | jim | kbrooks: /tmp does, but not /var; could damage your system |
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| 21:34.19 | Eulex | me too - only had one problem so far: hald and the b44 driver in the 2.6.11 kernel is not a good combo, will, cause hard lock-ups |
| 21:34.20 | jim | talkwebhosts: what does the word "unstable" mean to you? :) |
| 21:34.27 | paulswm | norton: Sure. |
| 21:34.50 | jim | go check their bug tracking system... maybe you'll find some details to pay attention to |
| 21:34.58 | talkwebhosts | contextually? |
| 21:35.14 | talkwebhosts | means it has been stated to be unstable and in beata form |
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| 21:35.34 | jim | norton: yes, you can certainly do that |
| 21:35.47 | norton | ok, cool |
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| 21:35.48 | Eulex | talkwebhosts, unstable is there for the devs to break... |
| 21:35.52 | paulswm | jim: You are a baaaaaaaad boy. :P |
| 21:36.06 | talkwebhosts | anyone running a dual opteron tyan board setup? |
| 21:36.18 | drasko | how to enable flash stick? I can not mount it... |
| 21:36.36 | jim | paulswm: *shrug* they should try approaching as peers more often |
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| 21:36.49 | norton | how does cd burning work in recent kernels? I havent got it to work in ata (non scsi) mode since kernel 2.6.8.1. |
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| 21:37.27 | trave11er | drasko: does dmesg says something when you insert/remove it? is usb-storage drive loaded (given that it is a usb stick) |
| 21:37.33 | richard2 | hey- when i run aireplay- i get the error: socket(PF_PACKET): operation not permitted |
| 21:37.40 | jasoncohen | norton, cd burning works fine for me in sarge |
| 21:37.51 | richard2 | know whats going wrong? |
| 21:38.02 | richard2 | hey- when i run aireplay- i get the error: socket(PF_PACKET): operation not permitted |
| 21:38.04 | richard2 | know whats going wrong? |
| 21:38.12 | jethro | !tell richard2 -about repeat |
| 21:38.13 | jim | norton: the new direct ata burning driver (well, I run 2.6.7; built it myself) works fine |
| 21:38.15 | paulswm | !what's really annoying |
| 21:38.15 | dpkg | repeating |
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| 21:38.32 | richard2 | sorry |
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| 21:38.35 | masoft | norton, what do you want to know ? just How well ? or How is its structure ? |
| 21:38.36 | jethro | richard2: also /msg dpkg ask, then /msg dpkg sicco |
| 21:38.49 | dragonfly | i don't think my firewall is working properly :S can somebody help me find out for sure? |
| 21:38.49 | jethro | richard2: or /msg dpkg smart questions, as you wish. |
| 21:38.50 | richard2 | but do you have any ideas? |
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| 21:38.58 | jim | !what's really annoying is also me telling you what's really annoying |
| 21:38.59 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, jim |
| 21:39.08 | jim | !what's really annoying is also me telling you \what's really annoying |
| 21:39.10 | dpkg | jim: what are you talking about? |
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| 21:39.23 | JeffH | I'm having problems with postfix and aliasess it' doesn't seem to be finding them.. anyone have a similar problem and know how to fix it? |
| 21:39.28 | jim | !\what's really annoying is also me telling you \what's really annoying |
| 21:39.28 | dpkg | jim: okay |
| 21:39.40 | norton | masoft: just if it works i guess. but n/m, i will try it myself later |
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| 21:39.54 | trave11er | JeffH: did you run newaliases or somesuch after you added them? |
| 21:40.09 | jim | !what's really annoying |
| 21:40.09 | dpkg | repeating, or me telling you what's really annoying |
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| 21:40.18 | jim | perfect :) |
| 21:40.20 | paulswm | dpkg: what does jim pay you for? |
| 21:40.20 | dpkg | normally jim insists on anal stimulation, paulswm, but I'm open to suggestions! |
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| 21:40.23 | masoft | norton, ok, but it works well in my computer with kernel 2.6.8 ;) |
| 21:40.27 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 21:40.34 | mike | is ia64 compatible with amd64? |
| 21:40.44 | norton | ok. nice :) |
| 21:40.49 | JeffH | trave11er: yup |
| 21:40.57 | trave11er | JeffH: no idea then |
| 21:41.17 | valdyn | !amd64 |
| 21:41.17 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 21:41.19 | drasko | trave11er, I did modprobe usb-storage, but under the /dev there is not sda, or sdb, or sd-anythig... |
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| 21:41.27 | kbrooks | JeffH: who are you? are you the jeff i know? |
| 21:41.28 | jim | !what does paulswm pay you for? |
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| 21:41.29 | dpkg | often paulswm pays me for genital shaving, jim, but I've really had enough... |
| 21:41.32 | trave11er | drasko: check dmesg |
| 21:41.34 | kbrooks | jeff wilson? |
| 21:41.36 | jim | heh |
| 21:41.36 | kbrooks | :P |
| 21:41.39 | paulswm | jim: Heh |
| 21:41.50 | jim | I didn't program that :P |
| 21:41.56 | paulswm | I know |
| 21:41.56 | trave11er | drasko: also google for name/model/make of your card and linux |
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| 21:42.05 | paulswm | it is a hilarious factoid though |
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| 21:42.46 | jim | seems dpkg is a general pattern matcher now |
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| 21:43.44 | error403 | hehe |
| 21:43.56 | error403 | always makes me laugh when people run IRC as root |
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| 21:44.22 | masoft | error403, what's wrong if you run IRC as root ? |
| 21:44.29 | jethro | !root |
| 21:44.29 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 21:44.37 | jethro | masoft: ^^ |
| 21:44.46 | error403 | exactly my point |
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| 21:44.50 | at0m|c | how about a live distro where there's only root |
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| 21:44.51 | jim | masoft: obviously it means that they have the habit of always being logged in as root |
| 21:44.55 | masoft | jethro, what if you are in a Live Distro ? |
| 21:44.57 | kvn | Of course, this assumes that your identd is actually returning the user id, and not just the static text. |
| 21:44.58 | error403 | if someone DOES exploit your client, you are screwed |
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| 21:45.18 | drasko | trave11er, dmesg says that it readed my MSI mega stick: SCSI device sda: 250624 512-byte hdwr sectors (128 MB), sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 21:45.18 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.20 | jethro | masoft: you use a non privileged user. most live distros have one. |
| 21:45.27 | jethro | masoft: if yours doesn't just use another one. |
| 21:45.29 | error403 | masoft, if you are on live distro, doesnt matter, you cant screw/own an installation then.. |
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| 21:45.38 | trave11er | drasko: well, here you go |
| 21:45.38 | masoft | jethro, slax doesn't has ! |
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| 21:45.46 | trave11er | drasko: just mount it |
| 21:45.51 | drasko | trave11er, but there is not sda under /dev! Where to find it? |
| 21:46.04 | trave11er | drasko: /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 clearly |
| 21:46.10 | jethro | error403: you can still use raw sockets for example. of course, system running a livecd don't have the same uptime as real systems. |
| 21:46.17 | trave11er | drasko: as the message tells you |
| 21:46.29 | jim | error403: but if they're in as root, exploiters who succeed in getting in can do nice things for you like make your HD blank itself... |
| 21:46.30 | jethro | masoft: the point is, root is an administrative account. you don't IRC as root. |
| 21:46.41 | error403 | hehe |
| 21:46.44 | error403 | true |
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| 21:47.04 | drasko | trave11er, I see... Ok, I'll try it. Thanks for the help! |
| 21:47.07 | jim | or use an attached printer and make messes of your room |
| 21:47.30 | trave11er | drasko: actually the device will be called part1 and located in this directory, i guess |
| 21:47.34 | masoft | jethro, in a Live CD it's not an important thing ! if something going wrong, you just restart your system :P |
| 21:47.38 | LunarCrisis | .join #linux |
| 21:47.39 | trave11er | drasko: probably |
| 21:47.41 | jim | or turn up your sound card full blast and play some rap tune thru your subwoofer array |
| 21:47.49 | jethro | masoft: /msg dpkg qotd51 |
| 21:48.02 | jim | masoft: not quite :P |
| 21:48.09 | mike | masoft: hrmm |
| 21:48.22 | jim | masoft: say you have an HD attached while you're running the livecd |
| 21:48.28 | jim | masoft: they can format it |
| 21:48.40 | masoft | jim, It's what I don't have :D |
| 21:48.52 | jethro | !hack masoft |
| 21:49.15 | jim | masoft: what kind of net connection do you have? |
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| 21:49.26 | masoft | jim, ADSL |
| 21:49.32 | jim | hmm... |
| 21:49.36 | jim | that is usable |
| 21:49.48 | jim | do you connect using it from your livecd? |
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| 21:49.56 | masoft | jim, yes ! |
| 21:50.01 | jim | that is usable |
| 21:50.10 | myren | whats the environmental variable for library paths? LD_LIBRARY right? |
| 21:50.12 | LunarCrisis | is there a bootable CD-ROM image that will let a computer boot from a usb drive? |
| 21:50.20 | kbrooks | !hack jethro |
| 21:50.21 | myren | stupid ass NoMachine, fucking up my system |
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| 21:50.34 | jim | someone could come in and pingflood anyone they want... and guess who pays the ISP for the damages it causes :) |
| 21:50.38 | masoft | LunarCrisis, try puppy, I think |
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| 21:50.41 | Eulex | LunarCrisis, yes, google for it |
| 21:50.46 | jethro | masoft: you could be used as a spam relay, a DDoS agent, whatever.. just don't IRC as root. |
| 21:50.47 | myren | YO! what is PATH for LIBRARIES |
| 21:50.47 | jim | guess who's responsible :) |
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| 21:51.08 | drasko | trave11er, mount: special device /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 does not exist. Neither exist the directory scsi under /dev. Where to find part1 file? |
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| 21:51.29 | trave11er | drasko: /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
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| 21:51.40 | streuner | !wb thomas_adam |
| 21:51.41 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! thomas_adam has returned! |
| 21:51.48 | thomas_a1am | Ta. :) |
| 21:51.59 | kbrooks | !wb streuner |
| 21:52.00 | myren | what the fuck, LD_LIBRARY is the path for libraries right? someone pay attention damn it |
| 21:52.00 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! streuner has returned! |
| 21:52.01 | drasko | trave11er, there is not /dev/scsi |
| 21:52.02 | kbrooks | :) |
| 21:52.15 | kbrooks | myren: BE NICE dude |
| 21:52.20 | kbrooks | !wb thomas_adam |
| 21:52.20 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! thomas_adam has returned! |
| 21:52.22 | kbrooks | :) |
| 21:52.26 | trave11er | drasko: hm |
| 21:52.26 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Quiet. |
| 21:52.28 | idnar | haha |
| 21:52.40 | jim | masoft: just because someone doesn't feel like destroying -you-, doens't mean that the resource you tend to leave open by running as root isn't useful to an exploiter... (and I'm saying "you" really meaning whoever might do that) |
| 21:52.46 | Eulex | !tell myren about repeat |
| 21:52.52 | kbrooks | idnar: that you? from twisted matrix? |
| 21:52.52 | Talnakh | hi everyone. i am a newbie for Linux Desktop. i have problems with firefox to display other encodings, e.g. czech. and how can i introduce layout switcher for XFCE? |
| 21:53.06 | jethro | !kill kbrooks |
| 21:53.19 | jim | !ops myren bothering helpers |
| 21:53.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: myren bothering helpers |
| 21:53.21 | trave11er | drasko: if the kernel tells you that it attached it there, how can it not be there? |
| 21:53.24 | idnar | kbrooks: uhm, what sense of "from" are we talking about here? |
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| 21:53.39 | myren | help? i hardly call this help |
| 21:53.52 | myren | for such a simple question at that |
| 21:53.53 | streuner | pay us more |
| 21:53.53 | AwesomeMachine | Talnakh: you change the page encoding somewhere on the edit menu |
| 21:53.53 | idnar | kbrooks: I use Twisted, and I hang out in related IRC channels, that's about it ;) |
| 21:53.54 | jim | then find better help |
| 21:53.59 | masoft | jim, I think anybody who know what is doing, can IRC with root ! but he must know enough what he is doing ;) It's better to stop this discuss ;) ! |
| 21:54.04 | ixi | Hi. How to use cdrecord with ide-cd? |
| 21:54.11 | drasko | trave11er, beats me... |
| 21:54.11 | LunarCrisis | Eulex, I've searched an all I found were ways to boot from a USB CD drive |
| 21:54.16 | kbrooks | idnar: okay |
| 21:54.22 | trave11er | drasko: do you have devfsd running? |
| 21:54.24 | kbrooks | idnar: just checking |
| 21:54.26 | jethro | myren: the varialbe is LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 21:54.37 | myren | thank you |
| 21:54.44 | AwesomeMachine | masoft: I think you know enough to irc in a root account |
| 21:55.16 | paulswm | !root |
| 21:55.16 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 21:55.20 | Eulex | LunarCrisis, you have consult your bios for that |
| 21:55.20 | ixi | How to RECORD cds with 2.6's ide-cd driver? |
| 21:55.36 | Talnakh | AwesomeMachine: i can change encodings in firefox, but they are displayed wrong |
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| 21:55.40 | jethro | myren: you want to read this too http://www.visi.com/~barr/ldpath.html |
| 21:55.41 | trave11er | drasko: nm, it might not have anything to do with devfsd |
| 21:55.45 | jim | masoft: just know that whoever might do that could be sorry he did it, lose after being sued by someone who can provide logs of them being attacked from your ip and generally making things harder on the person... and the attacker 8 times out of 10 is never touched |
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| 21:55.48 | drasko | trave11er, nope... What's it for. I am apt-getting it now... |
| 21:55.55 | AwesomeMachine | ixi: k3b |
| 21:55.56 | mike | masoft: living closer to the city is rather expensive |
| 21:56.02 | LunarCrisis | I know there is something called SMB which goes on a floppy and allows you to boot from CD, I'm looking for something that will go on a CD to let you boot from a USB drive |
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| 21:56.12 | jim | other than that, agreed... we won't discuss it until someone else comes as root |
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| 21:56.27 | ixi | AwesomeMachine: i dont' use kde |
| 21:56.31 | luulis | is this working for anyone with sid? mkfifo /tmp/fifo;echo>/tmp/fifo;rm /tmp/fifo -- it always hangs for me and when ctrl-C'ing it, it says 'interrupted system call' |
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| 21:56.49 | AwesomeMachine | LunarCrisis: you want a bios that will allow boot from CD on a floppy |
| 21:56.57 | kbrooks | ixi: you can use k3b anywhere |
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| 21:57.08 | Eulex | btw, do anyone know how to put a theme on kde apps, when you don't run kde? |
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| 21:57.19 | jim | luulis: don't you need something on the other side of the fifo? |
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| 21:57.25 | LunarCrisis | AwesomeMachine, the machine in question can boot from CDs, just not from USB drives |
| 21:57.35 | trave11er | drasko: ok, the story is that you are using devfs for whatever reason |
| 21:57.43 | ixi | kbrooks: actually I disappointed with the fact I CANT use lovely convinient cdrecord anymore :( |
| 21:57.46 | trave11er | drasko: it makes these weird device names |
| 21:57.53 | AwesomeMachine | LunarCrisis: it takes bios code to allow boot from usb |
| 21:57.54 | luulis | jim: well that is entering a newline to the fifo but that or catting the fifo both hangs |
| 21:57.55 | kbrooks | ixi: you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:58.01 | LunarCrisis | AwesomeMachine, ah, alright |
| 21:58.12 | drasko | trave11er, how to stop it? |
| 21:58.13 | kbrooks | ixi: cdrecord.sf.net |
| 21:58.21 | trave11er | drasko: normally, if new device appears, it's device node is automatically created |
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| 21:58.34 | trave11er | drasko: i don't know, it's not in stock debian kernels |
| 21:58.37 | ixi | kbrooks: how? I disabled scsi support in kernel so cdrecord -scanbus doesn't see my cdrom anymore |
| 21:58.46 | ixi | s/see/show |
| 21:58.47 | jim | luulis: I'm pretty sure you have to have somethign listening on the fifo before you start writing to it |
| 21:58.51 | Eulex | I'm running gnome and I want kde apps to look better |
| 21:58.55 | trave11er | drasko: have a look at http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/docs/devfs.html |
| 21:58.55 | kbrooks | ixi: repeat, cdrecord.sf.net |
| 21:58.59 | blas | i have a plain clear x. no window manager. can i install stable latest kde with apt? |
| 21:59.01 | AwesomeMachine | ixi, you can't do that |
| 21:59.01 | ixi | kbrooks: ok, sorry |
| 21:59.01 | Eulex | ixi: your problem |
| 21:59.04 | AwesomeMachine | recompile |
| 21:59.20 | AwesomeMachine | with scsi support |
| 21:59.20 | luulis | jim: i think i have used them before and they worked like that.. |
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| 21:59.41 | jim | is that guaranteed? |
| 21:59.54 | jim | look at the driver docs to make sure of that part |
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| 22:00.22 | paulswm | ixi: try this: cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI |
| 22:00.32 | gaasfet | help" |
| 22:00.34 | blas | so is there a full install package in apt-get? like x-window-system-core for x |
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| 22:00.38 | blas | ? |
| 22:00.39 | gaasfet | help mplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec-cvs.so: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen |
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| 22:01.05 | paulswm | AwesomeMachine: not true |
| 22:01.30 | ixi | paulswm: you're the brain man! :) Thank you! |
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| 22:02.33 | masoft | blas, you just need to write : apt-get install kdebase |
| 22:02.35 | thomas_adam | blas: Read the damn FAQ /topic |
| 22:02.45 | greycat | blas: "full install" is an oxymoron. |
| 22:03.03 | ixi | what is 'oxymoron'? |
| 22:03.05 | AwesomeMachine | Is abortion proof that the human race is committing genocide against itself? |
| 22:03.10 | masoft | blas, but if you want to have Latest KDE, must use SID |
| 22:03.17 | paulswm | ixi: You're wlecome |
| 22:03.25 | Eulex | ixi: consult a dictionary |
| 22:03.31 | blas | greycat : sorry for that. |
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| 22:03.47 | paulswm | !dict oxymoron |
| 22:03.49 | dpkg | could not find definition for oxymoron |
| 22:03.55 | Eulex | hmm |
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| 22:04.42 | drasko | trave11er, thanks, but I am cery tired now... i still don't get it how come there is not scsi directory under /dev... |
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| 22:04.57 | cheal | masoft: why would he have to? |
| 22:05.11 | cheal | masoft: or rather, how would that help? |
| 22:05.18 | masoft | cheal, because he asked for latest KDE ! |
| 22:05.21 | Kpasa_neng | k pasaneng?? |
| 22:05.28 | Kpasa_neng | balla capullo estas hecho neng?? |
| 22:05.30 | Kpasa_neng | :D |
| 22:05.37 | Kpasa_neng | i crazy |
| 22:05.39 | Kpasa_neng | :D |
| 22:05.41 | paulswm | blas: Don't install sid (unstable) if you want a reliably working system |
| 22:06.01 | cheal | masoft: and how would using sid help? |
| 22:06.05 | blas | sarge is okey. |
| 22:06.16 | blas | apt-get install kde now.. |
| 22:06.28 | blas | btw after "startx" gdm dead? |
| 22:06.29 | Kpasa_neng | somebody knew ubuntu breeze and his valance? |
| 22:06.29 | masoft | cheal, It's needed to say, the lastest KDE has something that Sarge KDE doesn't ! for example some Persian Supports. |
| 22:06.49 | jim | masoft: running unstable could render his computer unusable until he formats and reinstalls |
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| 22:07.01 | jim | and every update has similar potential |
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| 22:07.14 | thomas_adam | blas: Eh? |
| 22:07.27 | steve_ | i'm pentesting my wep key- but i cant get aireplay to work |
| 22:07.30 | jim | and that's not even the worst case |
| 22:07.40 | masoft | jim, he asked for Latest KDE ! I said if you want the latest, you must use SID ! It's his answer ... I didn't recommend anything |
| 22:07.41 | cheal | masoft: I'm not insane enough to run the latest KDE on debian, but I don't see how that answers my question |
| 22:07.57 | jim | masoft: but that's incorrect |
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| 22:08.21 | jethro | steve_: you're offtopic |
| 22:08.29 | paulswm | I tire of fighting the frequent poor advice to install sid |
| 22:08.40 | jethro | steve_: try some security related channel. |
| 22:08.40 | myren | X is requeesting and failing on finding a library it shouldnt be looking for; |
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| 22:08.45 | masoft | cheal, until the Sarge KDE can work correctly for you, it's OK ! but when your language is Persian, you will have some problems so it's better to have Kde 3.4 ! |
| 22:08.45 | myren | any idea hot to debug it? |
| 22:08.53 | cheal | paulswm: don't worry, I'm with you :-P |
| 22:08.59 | jethro | !vaguenesssmite myren |
| 22:09.08 | paulswm | !highfive cheal |
| 22:09.20 | cheal | !beer paulswm |
| 22:09.22 | coNP | !kde |
| 22:09.22 | dpkg | [kde] a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.0. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details. for woody check out http://www.apt-get.org/, or not a window manager, or see /topic #debian-kde |
| 22:09.36 | masoft | myren, which debian do you use ? Sarge ? |
| 22:09.48 | jim | myren: try running just X (maybe on :1 and vt8 if those are both free) and see if the problem still occurs |
| 22:09.51 | gary | if something has to be run from a terminal, is there a way to execute the program without going into the terminal. For example: make the terminal start, but tell it that you want to use the program that requires it? |
| 22:10.03 | kbrooks | what's with sid? |
| 22:10.04 | jim | myren: -experiment- already :P |
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| 22:10.24 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Too many clueless fools are using it. |
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| 22:10.27 | kbrooks | !smite masoft |
| 22:10.44 | paulswm | gary: with gnome terminal, for instance, you can tell it on the command line or in the setup what you want it to run when it starts |
| 22:11.11 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: i'm not clueless. i'm responsible (although i have been crazy once here, see !qotd71). |
| 22:11.20 | jethro | hah |
| 22:11.21 | cheal | dpkg: no, kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.1. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it to #debian-kde |
| 22:11.22 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 22:11.27 | masoft | kbrooks, could I ask why ? |
| 22:11.30 | jethro | !lart kbrooks |
| 22:11.32 | thomas_adam | Of couse, Gnome-terminal being the bloatest pile of crap ever, means it can't even pass Dickey's vttest program. |
| 22:11.39 | kbrooks | masoft: why what |
| 22:11.49 | masoft | kbrooks, why !smite ? |
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| 22:11.57 | paulswm | kbrooks: it's unstable. For instance, gnome was broken for several days last week, not sure if it still is. It's foolish to iinstall sid if you want a reliable working environment, but fine if you don't mind it breaking or you are a tester. |
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| 22:12.17 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: I know. I have, in the past, answered many of your """"questions"""" before now. |
| 22:12.20 | kbrooks | masoft: too many clueless fools are using sid. |
| 22:12.26 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: Yes. |
| 22:12.26 | chalenged | paulswm: gnome 2.10 look fine now...i rolled it into etch yesterday 8) |
| 22:12.32 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: wink wink wink |
| 22:12.49 | kbrooks | chalenged: sid == sarge+2 |
| 22:12.50 | masoft | kbrooks, ok, I want use KDE 3.4 ! please help me how can I use it ? |
| 22:13.04 | jethro | !irritate masoft |
| 22:13.05 | dpkg | masoft: wenas who uses cable thx |
| 22:13.05 | jim | masoft: try compiling it |
| 22:13.16 | blas | thomas_adam: ? |
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| 22:13.23 | kbrooks | jim: Don't suggest compilation. |
| 22:13.30 | jim | why not? |
| 22:13.38 | jim | they have to learn eventually anyway |
| 22:13.49 | jim | I mean, |
| 22:13.49 | masoft | jim, it's more stupid to compile !!! |
| 22:13.53 | thomas_adam | blas: You were abusing the English language. What were you asking about startx and gdm? |
| 22:13.58 | kbrooks | KDE's compiling is not for the uninitated. |
| 22:14.09 | kbrooks | masoft: LEARN DUDE! |
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| 22:14.20 | K_Dallas | !moron K_Dallas |
| 22:14.21 | dpkg | K_Dallas: You are moron #99 |
| 22:14.22 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Can you quit with the shit advice, already? |
| 22:14.25 | kbrooks | masoft: compilation is a last resort. |
| 22:14.27 | Eulex | masoft: find a third party apt repository on apt-get.org |
| 22:14.29 | jethro | kde compiling is only for morons, or gentards |
| 22:14.29 | jim | all they have to do is read the build instructions, satisfy the build requirements and follow instructions |
| 22:14.33 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: Yes. |
| 22:14.34 | masoft | kbrooks, I use SID instead ! |
| 22:14.40 | coNP | !moron SID |
| 22:14.40 | thomas_adam | Oh, god. |
| 22:14.41 | dpkg | SID: You are moron #77 |
| 22:14.44 | kbrooks | masoft: Don't. |
| 22:14.55 | chalenged | kbrooks: um sorta....sid = stuff coming into etch when reasonably stable i think....so its mroe a flow into etch atm ....near release its more like a ++ version eheh |
| 22:15.02 | jim | so he's running sid... he knows how to compile things... |
| 22:15.08 | masoft | kbrooks, currently I haven't any problem ! also I know how to prepare my linux ... |
| 22:15.42 | kbrooks | masoft: Then WHY is KDE 3.4 of utmost requirement to you? |
| 22:15.47 | paulswm | chalenged: cool |
| 22:16.08 | jim | so I say again: masoft: if you want some software that you can get the source to, by -all- means, you can build it yourself if you just learn how |
| 22:16.10 | blas | thomas_adam : sorry for my english. I started x, then aborted, because no window manager installed, i had a working in mouse in console, after this startx, my mouse gone. |
| 22:16.12 | masoft | kbrooks, It supports Persian language ! 3.3 didn't completely |
| 22:16.17 | kbrooks | chalenged: no, sid = unstable. |
| 22:16.27 | K_Dallas | kbrooks, sometimes certain people decide to go with the highest version number, as simple as that |
| 22:16.31 | blas | thomas_adam working mouse in console |
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| 22:16.34 | jim | masoft: you will of course have to allow yourself time to learn how. |
| 22:16.40 | chalenged | kde 3.4 isnt really ready at all but i have deb files if someone was desperate....they work but its not really stable.. |
| 22:16.46 | thomas_adam | blas: Then install a window manager. What type of mouse have you got? |
| 22:16.47 | K_Dallas | masoft, support as to have the menu etc in Persian? |
| 22:16.53 | jethro | kbrooks: didn 't you just say sid = sarge + 2 ? make up your mind |
| 22:16.55 | paulswm | chalenged: sorry, misunderstood you. 2.10 isn't in etch. |
| 22:17.08 | kbrooks | jethro: sarge, etch, sid |
| 22:17.17 | coNP | sarge, etch ... sid |
| 22:17.20 | masoft | jim, I know how to compile and even build packages for debian and etc. I'm a C programmer |
| 22:17.21 | coNP | sid will never be released |
| 22:17.26 | jethro | !cluedrill kbrooks |
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| 22:17.36 | kbrooks | oh fine |
| 22:17.41 | masoft | K_Dallas, not just that ... but it's available in 3.3 |
| 22:17.43 | K_Dallas | masoft, there are, afaik, 2 liveCDs adopted to Persian, one of which is installable if i remember correectly |
| 22:17.45 | thomas_adam | You're wasting your time -- kbrooks is an idiot. |
| 22:17.48 | jim | masoft: oh, good :) then it goes double for you: you can build kde if you want |
| 22:17.52 | jethro | thomas_adam: indeed |
| 22:17.53 | paulswm | jethro: You're fighting a losing battle, remember qotd71 |
| 22:18.02 | jethro | paulswm: :) |
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| 22:18.13 | blas | thomas_adam : iam installing kde rite now, /dev/psaux, but it was working.. howto restart gdm? |
| 22:18.19 | masoft | K_Dallas, I'm with the group that made one of these Live CDs ;) |
| 22:18.32 | kbrooks | blas: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 22:18.33 | daesotho | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 22:18.35 | thomas_adam | blas: I'm failing to understand your problem. Is it you don't have a mouse working? Or what? |
| 22:18.36 | daesotho | hehe |
| 22:18.40 | coNP | blas: press power button twice :) |
| 22:18.42 | jethro | he's more than an idiot, he's a threat to the debian community, and all users coming for support here. |
| 22:18.46 | K_Dallas | good, i hope to see real linux distro with those characteristics |
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| 22:18.47 | blas | kbrooks : thanks |
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| 22:19.05 | kbrooks | jeangenet: true, but i will stop one day |
| 22:19.10 | chalenged | kde 3.4 debian packages.....pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org......not stable but someone was crying for it... |
| 22:19.11 | kbrooks | jethro: * |
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| 22:19.22 | jethro | kbrooks: start with no longer answering until you know you're right. |
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| 22:19.29 | K_Dallas | masoft, so what is exactly in KDE3.4 that is of great importance to your team? |
| 22:19.41 | kbrooks | jethro: okay. anything else? |
| 22:19.42 | masoft | K_Dallas, we are working on one Real distro. but there is lot of Persian supports and we think it's better to make them OK then come for making a Distro |
| 22:19.48 | cheal | KDE 3.4 talk --->>>> #debian-kde |
| 22:19.53 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 22:19.55 | jethro | kbrooks: stick to it. |
| 22:20.07 | kbrooks | jethro: okay then....... |
| 22:20.08 | K_Dallas | are you with shabdix or the other one, was it parsix or something? |
| 22:20.09 | chalenged | masoft: pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org |
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| 22:20.37 | kbrooks | there |
| 22:20.42 | kbrooks | anyway. |
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| 22:20.52 | masoft | K_Dallas, there is two to now : Shabdix and Parsix ... another is Mehrlix that is not available and will come in next month |
| 22:21.05 | K_Dallas | ok, good luck then |
| 22:21.08 | mh_le | does anyone know why openoffice always prints an extra blank page out? |
| 22:21.17 | blas | thomas_adam: well.. my mouse was working in console its okey? |
| 22:21.20 | thomas_adam | mh_le: Ask #openoffice.org |
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| 22:21.26 | mh_le | thomas_adam: okay |
| 22:21.57 | thomas_adam | blas: Right, then make sure your configured mouse is using /dev/psaux (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) -- and that you have the psmouse and mousedev kernel modules loaded. |
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| 22:22.01 | kbrooks | jethro: admission: i don't like debian |
| 22:22.02 | K_Dallas | masoft, just out of curiosity, except for DATE, Left-to-Right support system wide, what else are you working on? |
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| 22:22.13 | jethro | kbrooks: fine, leave then. |
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| 22:22.37 | greyson | thomas_adam, If he's using gpm, wouldn't it be better to set the mouse to /dev/gpmdata? |
| 22:22.38 | kbrooks | jethro: no, i won't. it's ok, but not the commmunity |
| 22:22.46 | jim | kbrooks: that's interesting... why are you here? |
| 22:22.55 | daesotho | /dev/input/mice |
| 22:22.57 | thomas_adam | greyson: As a repeater? No. |
| 22:23.02 | blas | thomas_adam: gpm used /dev/psaux, then i installed xserver configured it and startx. And then when i killed x, my mouse didnt work anymore. |
| 22:23.03 | black13 | cheal, you here |
| 22:23.04 | kbrooks | because i want to help debian users. |
| 22:23.07 | daesotho | yea i dont know whats up with the debian community |
| 22:23.10 | thomas_adam | blas: kill gdm. |
| 22:23.11 | masoft | K_Dallas, there is a lot of Projects. you can read them in Farsilinux.org, even though they not work correctly because of Govermental problems |
| 22:23.12 | cheal | black13: yes |
| 22:23.15 | jim | why? you don't like debian |
| 22:23.16 | jethro | !kbrooks |
| 22:23.16 | dpkg | [kbrooks] don't listen to him, and all his shitty answers. he's just a clueless user running sid, and pretends he knows a lot. see qotd71 for some fun |
| 22:23.16 | K_Dallas | masoft, what is that your webpage in eng and ir so different? ;) |
| 22:23.34 | K_Dallas | masoft, ok, i am going to bookmark that, thanks |
| 22:23.40 | daesotho | im a clueless user running sid |
| 22:23.50 | blas | its not running. |
| 22:23.59 | black13 | i would like to chat wit someone about xorg |
| 22:24.02 | kbrooks | jethro: keep that......i am doing what you are saying |
| 22:24.06 | K_Dallas | masoft, is it a government sponsored project? |
| 22:24.08 | mh_le | thomas_adam: well it seems to happen with firefox aswell |
| 22:24.10 | masoft | K_Dallas, I think just Persian site is available, but it's not a problem for you ;) |
| 22:24.10 | jim | once you said that, your motive becomes suspect, and we think you have some harmful or harmless hidden agenda |
| 22:24.11 | thomas_adam | blas: So how do you know your mouse works fine at the console? |
| 22:24.17 | kbrooks | jim: i don't like debian's community. |
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| 22:24.24 | thomas_adam | mh_le: Really? What printer have you? |
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| 22:24.29 | jim | then why are you trying to join it? |
| 22:24.37 | kbrooks | jim: and i'm not very well educated on debian |
| 22:24.46 | daesotho | debian is awesome |
| 22:24.47 | thomas_adam | s/on debian// |
| 22:24.49 | jim | then WHY are you trying to help? |
| 22:24.52 | K_Dallas | masoft, the english site is what was of interest the persian site was wierd real estate thing :) |
| 22:24.53 | blas | thomas_adam : because i used it before.. letme see 1 hour ago :) |
| 22:24.54 | daesotho | dont know about the channel though |
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| 22:24.59 | masoft | K_Dallas, yes ! but if you know about Gevernmental projects in Iran, so you must know it make works harder for them ! |
| 22:25.02 | daesotho | maybe he likes to help |
| 22:25.07 | thomas_adam | blas: Well, you must have had gpm running, then? |
| 22:25.08 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: on linux, to be exact |
| 22:25.12 | daesotho | ^_^ lots of peoplu like to help |
| 22:25.17 | holycow | black13, the general rule of thumb is just ask, never ask to speak to someone or message them |
| 22:25.20 | jim | that's fine, but there's obviously more to it |
| 22:25.25 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: in one year, i havent learned very much....... |
| 22:25.26 | K_Dallas | well, i really doubt that linux and government in iran would go too far |
| 22:25.28 | mh_le | thomas_adam: HP LasterJet 2200DN |
| 22:25.37 | thomas_adam | mh_le: This is via CUPS, I assume? |
| 22:25.42 | bucky | kbrooks, you haven't been to debian's community yet... just it's ghetto |
| 22:25.43 | mh_le | thomas_adam: yeah |
| 22:25.49 | daesotho | i've been using debian for like three years by now |
| 22:25.55 | kbrooks | anyway, if you want me to, i shall leave..... |
| 22:25.55 | K_Dallas | masoft, you need a network of dedicated volunteers around the globe |
| 22:26.07 | blas | thomas_adam : strange /etc/init.d/gpm start | Starting gpm. |
| 22:26.07 | daesotho | #debian is a ghetto? |
| 22:26.16 | kbrooks | daesotho: no...analogy |
| 22:26.17 | blas | thomas_adam : but its not started.. |
| 22:26.23 | cheal | daesotho: no, it's sunday |
| 22:26.25 | daesotho | im from the streets you know its true |
| 22:26.30 | bucky | kbrooks, you can't learn debian unless you read the documentation |
| 22:26.30 | daesotho | hehe |
| 22:26.37 | thomas_adam | blas: I'm sorry, but you're not helping me, nor are you making any sense. What's your native language? |
| 22:26.39 | daesotho | my homies are all dead |
| 22:26.53 | blas | thomas_adam : ... |
| 22:26.54 | kbrooks | bucky: and read the man pages, yeah. |
| 22:26.59 | daesotho | fuck with me you'll join them too, i'll fucking cap you in the head |
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| 22:27.13 | black13 | language man language |
| 22:27.14 | daesotho | hehe |
| 22:27.15 | bucky | kbrooks, have you ever been to debian.org ? |
| 22:27.22 | masoft | K_Dallas, yes, of course ! the problem is finding them |
| 22:27.28 | daesotho | and everything is cool in the mind of a gangster |
| 22:27.29 | blas | thomas_adam : /etc/init.d/gpm start. It says: Starting mouse interface server: gpm |
| 22:27.32 | K_Dallas | :) that would be tough i agree |
| 22:27.32 | kbrooks | bucky: packages.debian.or |
| 22:27.32 | surreal | anyone here run xorg or xfree built from source? |
| 22:27.34 | surreal | instead of debians? |
| 22:27.36 | kbrooks | org* |
| 22:27.37 | thomas_adam | blas: I'm going round in circles trying to ascertain something a yes or no answer would have done about ten minutes ago, yet you failed to do that. |
| 22:27.44 | black13 | surreal, me me me !!!!! |
| 22:27.45 | blas | thomas_adam : then i cant see it really running |
| 22:27.49 | thomas_adam | blas: Did I ask you to start gpm? No. I asked if you _had_ done in the past. |
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| 22:27.50 | blas | thomas_adam : got this? |
| 22:27.58 | serk | buenas |
| 22:27.58 | surreal | black13, how do you like it compared to the port? |
| 22:27.59 | bucky | kbrooks, debian.org/doc |
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| 22:28.07 | masoft | K_Dallas, another problem for Governmental projects is that they can't pay to Persons !!!!! they must pay to Companies ! |
| 22:28.09 | kbrooks | bucky: okay |
| 22:28.13 | blas | thomas_adam : yes i did. |
| 22:28.22 | black13 | surreal, i have it working for sarge fine |
| 22:28.26 | surreal | im just having driver issues and other things |
| 22:28.29 | thomas_adam | blas: Ok, and with gpm running, your mouse works [Y/n]? |
| 22:28.31 | surreal | so its kind of annoying |
| 22:28.38 | surreal | you run xorg or xfree? |
| 22:28.39 | masoft | K_Dallas, where do you live ? |
| 22:28.45 | blas | thomas_adam : Y until "startx" |
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| 22:28.51 | K_Dallas | masoft, i know, i just hope that you get more support from the informatic ... and from universities, that is where linux should be developped in the first place |
| 22:28.53 | mh_le | thomas_adam: do you have any ideas on my problem? |
| 22:28.58 | K_Dallas | masoft, Canada |
| 22:29.00 | thomas_adam | blas: OK. Do you need console mouse support? |
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| 22:29.07 | blas | thomas_adam : Y |
| 22:29.10 | blas | :) |
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| 22:29.12 | thomas_adam | mh_le: I suspect it to be a quirk in the driver, but don't hold me to it. |
| 22:29.16 | daesotho | your startx script fucks up your mouse? |
| 22:29.26 | robin_sz | K_Dallas: linux developed in universities? hell no. |
| 22:29.30 | daesotho | i bet he needs console mouse to play quake |
| 22:29.37 | thomas_adam | daesotho: No, I want to know whether it's worthy of me to set him up with a repeater, |
| 22:29.38 | kbrooks | a question: i'll scrap ubuntu and install debian. what package do i need to grab to install X? |
| 22:29.43 | black13 | http://blogs.vislab.usyd.edu.au/index.php/Steve/2004/09/09/installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 22:29.51 | black13 | i found that to be instructive |
| 22:29.53 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: /topic FAQ |
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| 22:30.02 | kbrooks | ok |
| 22:30.03 | daesotho | mozilla-firefox |
| 22:30.08 | K_Dallas | robin_, i only rely on university projects as they do not sacrifice stability and backbone to GUI |
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| 22:30.10 | daesotho | will download everything |
| 22:30.17 | daesotho | hehe |
| 22:30.27 | kbrooks | daesotho: you're not me. |
| 22:30.34 | black13 | surreal, then use xorgconfig seems to work ok |
| 22:30.41 | K_Dallas | robin_sz, i meant, after that they could go to the private secotrs etc |
| 22:30.43 | thomas_adam | blas: Ready to follow this? |
| 22:30.44 | daesotho | go for your applications and the libraries will follow |
| 22:30.47 | thomas_adam | !tell blas -about gpm |
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| 22:30.58 | kbrooks | cya! |
| 22:30.58 | thomas_adam | blas: There you go. |
| 22:31.07 | daesotho | good luck! |
| 22:31.11 | robin_sz | K_Dallas: yeah, whatever ... actually, linux moved off campus and went mainstream commercial YEARS ago ... |
| 22:31.32 | K_Dallas | robin_sz, i meant for this particular case, Iran |
| 22:31.39 | blas | thomas_adam : thank you. i'll try it. |
| 22:31.40 | surreal | thanks black |
| 22:31.45 | black13 | kbrooks, has left and there was much rejoicing |
| 22:31.54 | kryptech | I screwed up the bootloader, can I just install a new one using the cd's? |
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| 22:32.01 | blas | thomas_adam : by the way, my native language is hungarian |
| 22:32.03 | robin_sz | K_Dallas: they have interent in Iran? |
| 22:32.19 | masoft | robin_sz, Lot of things are different in Iran ! Universities are the best choice for developing linux in Iran, I think |
| 22:32.21 | K_Dallas | robin_sz, you have been kept in dark for years i see |
| 22:32.30 | daesotho | they have computers in iran? |
| 22:32.39 | K_Dallas | nah, we use abacus |
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| 22:32.42 | bush | hmm. they have the internet on computers now! |
| 22:32.46 | bucky | they have the bomb in iran |
| 22:32.47 | daesotho | damn |
| 22:32.49 | daesotho | wow |
| 22:32.58 | jethro | hah |
| 22:33.01 | K_Dallas | bucky, that was an irresponsible statement |
| 22:33.18 | bucky | i'm irresponsible |
| 22:33.19 | K_Dallas | but i dont expect more from those bombarded by media |
| 22:33.22 | daesotho | ill irresponsible your statement |
| 22:33.30 | K_Dallas | ;) |
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| 22:33.36 | daesotho | they have hot persian girls in iran |
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| 22:33.43 | daesotho | who bellydance |
| 22:33.45 | Guerin | ... |
| 22:33.49 | K_Dallas | anyways, to let you guys know, Iraq is even have its own Linux group ;) |
| 22:33.51 | Thanatermesis | how to umount FORCELLY my /dev ? :S |
| 22:33.56 | daesotho | but no alcohol -_- |
| 22:34.00 | paulswm | They have supprssion of women in Iran. |
| 22:34.04 | jdhutchin1 | Thanatermesis, why do you want to do that? |
| 22:34.06 | daesotho | lots of weed though ^_^ |
| 22:34.12 | robin_sz | K_Dallas: well sure iraq does .. because we ownz iraq |
| 22:34.13 | Rick-BR | hello |
| 22:34.14 | K_Dallas | daesotho, that was still one of those statements rooting from lack of knowledge. Bellydance is arabic not persian |
| 22:34.15 | Thanatermesis | I have mounted /dev in a chroot with --bind, not posilbe to umount caused for "device is busy" |
| 22:34.16 | masoft | Thanatermesis, if your device is busy, try fuser ;) |
| 22:34.23 | daesotho | yea |
| 22:34.25 | Eulex | anyone now how long it is till gnome 2.10 enters testing? what's the current state? |
| 22:34.31 | daesotho | how do persians dance? |
| 22:34.33 | bucky | some Utah women are moving to Iran for better rights |
| 22:34.36 | Thanatermesis | masoft, Im tryed, shows a lot of numbers... |
| 22:34.47 | jdhutchin1 | Thanatermesis, those are process numbers |
| 22:34.48 | daesotho | i know about korean dance and indian dance and arabic dance |
| 22:35.02 | daesotho | and of course english and viennese but they suck |
| 22:35.09 | megatronx | anyone here using mplayer? if so, i need a hand. when i compile mplayer with gui (--enable-gui) i end up getting an error of X11 support required for GUI compilation. am i missing a package on my x window? if so which one? |
| 22:35.18 | jim | Eulex: check on that with the BTS... as you may know, packages leak from unstable to testing when they are bugfree for about 2 weeks |
| 22:35.21 | megatronx | i use debian sarge |
| 22:35.28 | K_Dallas | megatronx, you need to install dev package for X11 |
| 22:35.30 | daesotho | especially slow dancing with girls |
| 22:35.32 | K_Dallas | and a few more |
| 22:35.41 | daesotho | slow dancing is so gay... |
| 22:35.42 | daxiang | megatronx: use the packages from marillat (see google for the sources.list or apt-get.org) |
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| 22:35.52 | daesotho | especially with other people |
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| 22:35.55 | megatronx | ok |
| 22:36.02 | masoft | Thanatermesis, if there are lot of processes, so you must not try to unmount !!! |
| 22:36.03 | K_Dallas | daxiang, compiling mplayer is nicer ;) you get to activate all that you need |
| 22:36.08 | daesotho | especially with weak female creatures |
| 22:36.12 | Thanatermesis | masoft, jdhutchin1 ----> http://pastebin.com/301960 |
| 22:36.13 | Guerin | !marillat |
| 22:36.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 22:36.15 | cheal | paulswm: I never liked dancing, but maybe I should learn that one |
| 22:36.19 | thomas_adam | masoft: Eh? |
| 22:36.39 | chalenged | Eulex: gnome 2.10 actually runs np in etch atm so its probably not far away.. |
| 22:36.40 | masoft | Thanatermesis, if there are lot of processes, so you are using that device |
| 22:36.44 | Thanatermesis | masoft, I have closed all processes, all chroot's, include X and terminals... :s |
| 22:36.54 | thomas_adam | masoft: All it means is that the device is probably wedged. |
| 22:36.57 | jdhutchin1 | Thanatermesis, are you tryign to unmount /dev in the chroot or outside of the chroot? |
| 22:37.03 | daesotho | korean fan dance is awesome!! |
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| 22:37.09 | daesotho | *ly cool |
| 22:37.10 | Thanatermesis | I need to reboot my system, if Im reboot in mounted mode... Im lost my /dev |
| 22:37.17 | jdhutchin1 | Thanatermesis, ? |
| 22:37.17 | megatronx | thanks guys |
| 22:37.22 | jdhutchin1 | it will be unmounted when you reboot |
| 22:37.28 | Thanatermesis | '--==(/tmp2/debootstrap)==--> chroot . |
| 22:37.29 | Thanatermesis | tanateo:/# umount /dev/ |
| 22:37.29 | Thanatermesis | umount: /dev/: device is busy |
| 22:37.30 | Thanatermesis | yes |
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| 22:37.51 | jdhutchin1 | you don't need to do anything |
| 22:37.53 | jdhutchin1 | just reboot |
| 22:37.53 | Eulex | ok, so #313622 doesn't apply anymore? |
| 22:37.55 | jim | that pastebin site seems to be unresponsive |
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| 22:38.21 | chalenged | eulex: what was it? |
| 22:38.27 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: fix your prompt, for all that is beautiful and shiny... |
| 22:38.28 | Thanatermesis | no jddl266 |
| 22:38.31 | Thanatermesis | I need to reboot my system, if Im reboot in mounted mode... Im lost my /dev |
| 22:38.32 | black13 | was xwrapper part of earlier versions of xfree |
| 22:38.40 | jim | chalenged, bugs.debian.org/313622 |
| 22:38.48 | jim | see for yourself :) |
| 22:38.54 | jethro | Thanatermesis: you're not making much sense. what is your native language? |
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| 22:38.59 | Thanatermesis | yes Guerin ... :/ I have very work in a project... not have a time for looking prompt themes.. |
| 22:38.59 | jdhutchin1 | Thanatermesis, ? when you reboot, it will unmount all mounted file systems |
| 22:38.59 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: and man umount; but good luck with that. |
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| 22:39.07 | Thanatermesis | spanish/french |
| 22:39.12 | thomas_adam | I thought it was 1337 70 h4v3 1s pr0m7 w1v l07s 0f c00 c0l0urz... |
| 22:39.25 | jethro | Thanatermesis: try either #debian-fr or /msg dpkg es |
| 22:39.35 | Guerin | thomas_adam: and t3h 4rr0wz 2 d00d |
| 22:39.38 | Thanatermesis | jdhutchin1, no... If Im reboot, I lost my /dev... not are included in fstab... |
| 22:39.41 | thomas_adam | Ha. |
| 22:39.44 | Eulex | chalenged, dependency problems |
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| 22:39.50 | jdhutchin1 | Thanatermesis, then edit fstab... |
| 22:40.01 | Thanatermesis | jethro, ¬¬ Im not stupid |
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| 22:40.05 | chalenged | eulex: no issues at all doing a apt-get install gnome from sid on my system but its sid so its use at own risk... |
| 22:40.07 | jim | that bug report has no system information, and almost no version information |
| 22:40.17 | ellobo | hi... |
| 22:40.19 | jdhutchin1 | Thanatermesis, you haven't really told us what you're tryign to do, chances are pretty good you're not doing something correctly if you have to unmount /dev |
| 22:40.23 | jethro | Thanatermesis: you barely make sense when speaking english though. I'm not saying you're stupid. |
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| 22:40.31 | Mez | hmm ... |
| 22:40.45 | masoft | Thanatermesis, what is the device you want to unmount ? |
| 22:40.45 | Mez | the installation instructions for prepearing a hard disk boot for the debian installer are confusing me |
| 22:40.45 | greycat | jethro: I think he's a native .es speaker. |
| 22:40.47 | Mez | can anyone help |
| 22:40.59 | jdhutchin1 | Thanatermesis, umount /tmp/debootstrap/dev |
| 22:41.02 | jethro | greycat: that's why I pointed him to /msg dpkg es or #debian-fr. :) |
| 22:41.03 | masoft | Thanatermesis, if your worry is about the buffers, just run sync |
| 22:41.10 | Thanatermesis | masoft, /dev, is mounted in a chroot with --bind |
| 22:41.15 | jim | Mez: maybe, what are you reading that is confusing you |
| 22:41.18 | Eulex | chalenged: ok, I'll wait until it enters testing, jim: ok |
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| 22:41.32 | Mez | well 1) which kernenl images I'm meant to get |
| 22:41.38 | masoft | Thanatermesis, by loopback ? |
| 22:41.48 | Thanatermesis | '--==(/home/asdf)==--> umount /tmp2/debootstrap/dev/ |
| 22:41.48 | Thanatermesis | umount: /tmp2/debootstrap/dev: device is busy |
| 22:41.51 | Thanatermesis | no loopback |
| 22:41.51 | Mez | adn 2) whether i should install them to the HD I'm using to oot a current version of linxu from or to the hard disk I'll be isntalling to |
| 22:41.54 | sander | how do I generate new charsets? |
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| 22:42.02 | chalenged | mez: as long as it boots you will upgrade it anyways depending on what you get |
| 22:42.11 | jim | Eulex: can you see that? not too many specifics, no way is provided to do perhaps the most important thing before fixing the bug: how to reproduce it |
| 22:42.12 | Thanatermesis | sync ? from Magic Keys ? |
| 22:42.13 | Mez | hmm... |
| 22:42.19 | Mez | so as long as i can boot it ? |
| 22:42.25 | Mez | I'm lookign to install to second hard drive :D |
| 22:42.31 | Mez | inwsall through netboot |
| 22:42.48 | sander | something like this?: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:43.05 | masoft | Thanatermesis, no, sync will not help you, I think. *if you write sync in your terminal, it will free your buffers and write theme to devices |
| 22:43.07 | sander | oh.. I didnt have locales installed at all |
| 22:43.12 | chalenged | jim: the package wasnt in sid |
| 22:43.13 | Eulex | jim: means that the devs can't fix it |
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| 22:43.42 | jim | Eulex: yes, maybe because they can't even see what it is for themselves |
| 22:43.46 | black13 | man if googled till im blue in the face, does anyone know here the xrapper files are |
| 22:43.47 | Eulex | chalenged, oh |
| 22:44.09 | Mez | chalenged... also, theres in the netboot installer files a "linux2 instead of a "vmlinuz" I assume I use that |
| 22:44.30 | chalenged | jim not to say the reports was good im just saying it was the day only half of the gnome was there i think... |
| 22:44.41 | Thanatermesis | Im "sync" and are busy... same error with magic keys... |
| 22:44.47 | blas | how can i make a screenshot with gimp? |
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| 22:44.54 | jim | chalenged: ahh, a situation that can easily happen on sid |
| 22:44.54 | thomas_adam | blas: Aquire. |
| 22:45.17 | thomas_adam | blas: Although xwd, or scrot, or import work well enough. |
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| 22:45.40 | giupy_ | i use testing and precompiled 2.6.11 kernel, since 3 days divx and mp3 go slowly, yes really, in mplayer i need to increase playback with "[" , other programs give me the same problem, wich can be the reason ? |
| 22:45.45 | greycat | thomas_adam: surely you meant "Acquire" |
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| 22:46.01 | thomas_adam | I do, when my finger reaches the 'c' key. |
| 22:46.08 | giupy_ | i don0t think it can be "testing" the reason..... |
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| 22:46.27 | chalenged | giupy_ what version of mplayer? theya are optimized for CPUs |
| 22:46.35 | blas | thomas_adam : thanks |
| 22:46.52 | Thanatermesis | shit.... my disks are Remounted in R/O and the /dev not umount... !! |
| 22:47.05 | giupy_ | chalenged mplayer-586 from marillat, but i have the same problem with xmms and vlc |
| 22:47.30 | giupy_ | chalenged and 3 days ago all was well |
| 22:47.47 | thomas_adam | Thanatermesis: Umm, why? |
| 22:47.56 | thomas_adam | Actually, forget I asked. |
| 22:48.01 | Thanatermesis | Magick keys: "U" |
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| 22:48.11 | chalenged | giupy_: well did any of the libs get upgraded? they share codecs from the libs....so its seems lib related |
| 22:48.24 | Eulex | there are importatnt bugs in libgnomevfs2-0 2.10: #313426 and #314164 |
| 22:48.35 | chalenged | giupy_ are you setup for marillat as testing or unstable? |
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| 22:49.00 | thomas_adam | That's what you get for using udev. |
| 22:49.05 | giupy_ | chalenged testing, but nothing from marillat was upgraded |
| 22:49.45 | chalenged | giupy_: no idea...im on testing and havent seem any issues but i generally only play dvd files...not many divx.. |
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| 22:50.16 | giupy_ | chalenged i ave the problem with mp3 too :)) thanks anyhow |
| 22:50.23 | giupy_ | have |
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| 22:50.55 | Agrajag- | anyone any idea how i can tar/bz everything in current dir except a certain directory? (but all other directories?) |
| 22:51.06 | coNP | if install packages via apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage and then install by dpkg, poor apt wants to upgrade them with the binary packages of the same version |
| 22:51.09 | coNP | what can i do? |
| 22:51.12 | Eulex | #314281 is a problem for gnome 2.10 too |
| 22:51.15 | bbrazil | Agrajag-: tar should have a --exclude |
| 22:51.23 | chaps0063 | hello, I was wondering if its possible to decrypt files that were encrypted with EFS in linux? |
| 22:51.53 | Agrajag- | bbrazil: oh yeah it does too.. i must be blind. thanks :) |
| 22:52.24 | blas | thomas_adam : cant find it in gimp.. |
| 22:52.41 | thomas_adam | blas: It's under file, I believe? File -> Acquire |
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| 22:53.11 | thomas_adam | blas: I don't use the gimp. |
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| 22:55.00 | chalenged | eulex: i dont use evolution and gnome vfs seems fine to me but then again how often do you target a non-existant file? |
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| 22:55.26 | kbrooks | Back in Debian. |
| 22:55.45 | kbrooks | (not really.) |
| 22:56.00 | chalenged | eulex: ahh yeah some of the applets dont work quite right...of note ive found mini-commander and weather.... |
| 22:56.04 | kbrooks | except i'm not really running sid. |
| 22:56.08 | kbrooks | sarge ;) |
| 22:56.34 | paulswm | cheal: Wouldn't have been enough time to learn that dance, evidently :P |
| 22:56.48 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Oh, god. |
| 22:56.55 | kbrooks | i've got to upgrade this. |
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| 22:57.11 | thomas_adam | "A bad penny." |
| 22:57.23 | blas | wprls |
| 22:57.25 | blas | works |
| 22:57.26 | blas | reboot |
| 22:57.27 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: Yes? Noticed ANYTHING about me you find strange? |
| 22:57.31 | paulswm | thomas_adam: no shit :) |
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| 22:58.01 | kbrooks | hey FieldySnuts |
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| 22:58.30 | paulswm | I have, kbrooks, I'm guessing you're about 13 years of age by your writing and self-centerdness |
| 22:58.44 | kbrooks | I am 14. |
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| 22:58.54 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:59.05 | kbrooks | and my writing sucks, so does my self-centerdness. |
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| 22:59.20 | thomas_adam | Kyle Brooks? |
| 22:59.24 | kbrooks | Yes. |
| 22:59.30 | kbrooks | I'm not a bot. |
| 22:59.36 | thomas_adam | The same person that chaired a ruby contest a few years back? |
| 22:59.38 | kryptech | so idomatic |
| 22:59.40 | thomas_adam | At 14? Pffft. |
| 22:59.43 | bkhl | Where can I find out which packages are on which CD image? |
| 22:59.45 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: Yes. |
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| 23:00.07 | greycat | bkhl: get all the CDs, mount each one, do an "ls -lR" on it, and put it on the web somewhere. |
| 23:00.09 | blas | hey |
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| 23:00.23 | FieldySnuts | !what does thomas_adam pay you for |
| 23:00.24 | dpkg | sometimes thomas_adam begs for genital shaving, fieldysnuts, but I'm open to suggestions! |
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| 23:00.29 | thomas_adam | blas: Mouse working? |
| 23:00.32 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 23:00.38 | bkhl | greycat: I was afraid of that... |
| 23:00.42 | kbrooks | dpkg's cool. |
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| 23:01.10 | Phated | thomas_adam and r_c are the same! :O |
| 23:01.13 | blas | thomas_adam : yep, now bitchxing from xconsole. |
| 23:01.28 | thomas_adam | xconsole? No, I don't think you mean that. |
| 23:01.37 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: i wasdnt leader.......i was just judge |
| 23:01.38 | blas | its called Konsole |
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| 23:02.11 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: How did you manage to land that role? |
| 23:02.52 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: i simply joined in with someone else.....joined a channel and everything went good from then on |
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| 23:03.21 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: there were 3 people initally. me, jannis harder and SeaForth |
| 23:03.28 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 23:03.36 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: i'm serious. |
| 23:03.42 | thomas_adam | I know. |
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| 23:04.32 | trave11er | that's the scary part :-) |
| 23:04.53 | kbrooks | (look at iorcc.dyndns.org, if you want) |
| 23:05.05 | kbrooks | anyway, *gets to the point* |
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| 23:06.09 | bucky | kbrooks, that's a dead link |
| 23:06.14 | sideone | has anyone installed php5 under sarge? |
| 23:06.52 | thomas_adam | sideone: Probably lots. What's your question? |
| 23:07.16 | Eulex | is it possible to get more than 4 workspaces in gnome? |
| 23:07.33 | thomas_adam | Eulex: Yes. |
| 23:07.59 | coNP | Eulex: it depends on the window-manager, you use |
| 23:08.01 | kbrooks | bucky: it is? |
| 23:08.05 | kbrooks | bucky: :( |
| 23:08.12 | Eulex | conP: metacity |
| 23:08.37 | chalenged | YAY MS exchange is dying......i feel a debian server coming on.... |
| 23:08.45 | coNP | Eulex: it's possible |
| 23:08.57 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a world war |
| 23:08.58 | apt | Brits will one day stomp the IRA! |
| 23:09.09 | Eulex | I can't find any setting for it... |
| 23:09.37 | bucky | Eulex, try right clicking on the desktop and see if there's anything |
| 23:09.54 | jethro | @aussiesmite FieldySnuts |
| 23:09.54 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 23:09.59 | Eulex | oh, found it |
| 23:10.04 | mborohovski | <mborohovski> hey guys |
| 23:10.04 | mborohovski | <mborohovski> any reason why i would be able to load an xterm as root |
| 23:10.04 | mborohovski | <mborohovski> but cant as normal user |
| 23:10.05 | mborohovski | <mborohovski> it says |
| 23:10.05 | mborohovski | <mborohovski> xterm: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 23:10.19 | sideone | how do i look into a pkg description/files? |
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| 23:10.25 | mborohovski | whooos |
| 23:10.26 | greycat | sideone: apt-cache show |
| 23:10.28 | mborohovski | whoops* |
| 23:10.33 | sideone | also is there a php5 for deb yet? |
| 23:10.34 | Eulex | it wasn't in applications -> system settings |
| 23:10.36 | greycat | mborohovski: ls -ld /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 23:10.36 | sideone | gthx grey |
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| 23:10.57 | Teufel | Is there any way to make your debian comp get a specific IP address when it connects to the network? |
| 23:11.01 | chalenged | eulex: try running sawfish-ui |
| 23:11.03 | Eulex | I had to right click on the workspace viewer and select settings |
| 23:11.04 | greycat | Teufel: man interfaces |
| 23:11.16 | jethro | Teufel: or man dhcpd.conf |
| 23:11.16 | chalenged | eulex or that |
| 23:11.17 | mborohovski | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root |
| 23:11.29 | Eulex | chalenged: I've found it, and I'm running metacity |
| 23:11.40 | greycat | mborohovski: well, look around for other broken permissions, and make sure you do NOT have the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable set as your user. |
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| 23:11.51 | chalenged | Eulex: ahh kk |
| 23:11.52 | sideone | ..or is there a apxs2 for debian yet? i found apxs for apache-dev , but cant find an apache2-dev |
| 23:12.04 | greycat | sideone: /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:12.16 | sideone | thx |
| 23:12.25 | cbr | when will X.org be re |
| 23:12.28 | cbr | ady |
| 23:12.49 | Eulex | cbr: wir |
| 23:13.08 | mborohovski | greycat: keep in mind im running x.org |
| 23:13.08 | chalenged | cbr: a little while yet...seems some apps are coming through gcc4...so im not sure what order they are doing things |
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| 23:13.23 | bucky | sideone, there is.. if you apt-cache search apache2 you'll see a apache2-prefork-dev and a apache2-threaded-dev |
| 23:13.36 | greycat | mborohovski: then you are in the wrong channel. |
| 23:13.39 | sideone | would those hold the apxs2 file? |
| 23:13.44 | cbr | gcc4? |
| 23:13.49 | cbr | asin compiled with gcc4? |
| 23:14.13 | bucky | sideone, yes |
| 23:14.21 | sideone | k thanks buck |
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| 23:14.27 | sideone | threaded sounds better? |
| 23:14.27 | chalenged | cbr: yeah...it may have been a mistake but i found 3 apps on gcc4 which i wouldnt install for obvious reasons |
| 23:14.37 | bucky | sideone, get the one that matchs your apache2-mpm |
| 23:14.48 | sideone | bucky, soryr how do i know? |
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| 23:14.53 | sideone | which one was used? |
| 23:14.54 | cbr | which apps? |
| 23:15.01 | cbr | and that's great.. gcc4 is faster |
| 23:15.05 | sideone | bucky, its not my box. |
| 23:15.17 | chalenged | cbr: i cant remember off the top of my head it was on my home system...im at work atm |
| 23:15.27 | phanter | hello, I am looking for an easy to configure backup script. I want to backup some folders from a disk to another disk (in the same computer). |
| 23:15.36 | bucky | sideone, dpkg -la |grep apache2-mpm |
| 23:15.38 | Axioplas1 | Hi! I have a nice problem... /proc/partitions has entries not existing... I can't boot my system.. it says ide/hosts1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 instead of hda1 and same for other partitions |
| 23:15.43 | Axioplas1 | how can I change that? |
| 23:15.44 | phanter | Google gives me some results, but none satisfy me (up tilll w) |
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| 23:16.04 | chalenged | cbr: not really great as it will cause us upgrade issues atm...libc changes the world changes ... |
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| 23:16.21 | sideone | bucky, thx for the help man |
| 23:16.25 | sideone | got it. |
| 23:16.41 | mborohovski | fixed it, thanks anyway |
| 23:16.43 | mborohovski | holy shit nice |
| 23:16.45 | cbr | well the latest stable releases are gcc 4.0 and glibc 2.3.5 or smth anyway |
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| 23:16.47 | chalenged | cbr: but yeah id like gcc4 before x.org personally but thats more because i dont need x.org |
| 23:16.49 | mborohovski | 2885 fps in glxgears |
| 23:16.53 | cbr | so it should all move in that direction |
| 23:16.57 | mborohovski | and thats with my processor scaled down |
| 23:17.01 | mborohovski | to 'powersave' mode |
| 23:17.03 | chalenged | mborohovski: 6200? |
| 23:17.09 | mborohovski | this is one helluva machine |
| 23:17.09 | mborohovski | :-p |
| 23:17.10 | mborohovski | yeah |
| 23:17.16 | cbr | i'd like x.org asap.. i don't feel very confident in using these 3rd party packages |
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| 23:17.37 | mborohovski | hmm, now to think about luminocity :p |
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| 23:18.08 | sideone | bucky, do you know if php5 has been pkgd for debian? |
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| 23:18.15 | hugito | salut y a des francais? |
| 23:18.31 | mborohovski | hmm, any idea why sometimes my xterm will get freaky? |
| 23:18.38 | mborohovski | esp. after running glxgears? |
| 23:18.42 | kbrooks | sideone: there are third party packages iirc |
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| 23:19.05 | bucky | sideone, go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and do a search for it |
| 23:19.06 | punsad | sideone: apt-cache search php5 |
| 23:19.08 | mborohovski | whoops,wrong channel |
| 23:19.10 | mborohovski | sorry |
| 23:19.14 | initech | mborohovski: freaky terminals? |
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| 23:19.27 | bucky | freaky xorg |
| 23:19.31 | greycat | !fr |
| 23:19.32 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:19.46 | hugito | Does somebody knows why my gecko-based web browsers crashe on my debian sid ppc? |
| 23:20.04 | hugito | it crash on a few websites |
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| 23:20.12 | greycat | file a bug report |
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| 23:20.21 | Teufel | greycat: I read the man interfaces thing, but I don't see where I can change my static ip address for the machine |
| 23:20.22 | sideone | thx |
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| 23:20.35 | punsad | hugito: I think it has something to do with them being gecko-based. (sorry... I'm in a silly mood) |
| 23:20.39 | sideone | last question, sorry.. how do i know what dir to specify for my openssl location? |
| 23:20.40 | cbr | hugito: it just happens (tm) |
| 23:20.45 | sideone | im configuring php5 by src. |
| 23:21.15 | phanter | can somebody recommend me a good backupscript? |
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| 23:21.29 | sideone | phanter, i used to use amanda |
| 23:21.37 | sideone | which was pretty decent, but a bitch to configure |
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| 23:21.43 | greycat | phanter: the one you write yourself for your own system's special requirements |
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| 23:21.54 | Butterman | burning cds is way too complicated |
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| 23:22.06 | greycat | !breastfeed Butterman |
| 23:22.11 | kbrooks | Butterman: why do you think that? |
| 23:22.13 | cbr | Butterman: apt-get install gtoaster |
| 23:22.19 | cbr | no! |
| 23:22.20 | Azar | heard that Nero for linux is out |
| 23:22.21 | cbr | gnomebaker |
| 23:22.23 | cbr | is the one |
| 23:22.23 | hugito | People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 23:22.30 | kbrooks | Azar: proprietary |
| 23:22.35 | Butterman | cdrecord is pissing me off |
| 23:22.40 | Azar | kbrooks, yes indeed |
| 23:22.40 | Butterman | i miss burncd |
| 23:22.46 | cbr | gnomebaker is simpal :p |
| 23:22.48 | kbrooks | Butterman: dude dude dude! |
| 23:22.49 | phanter | sideone, does amanda backup to a harddisk as well (or only to a tape)? |
| 23:22.51 | sideone | how do i know what dir to specify for my openssl location? |
| 23:23.00 | coNP | may someone tell me why apt wants to upgrade packages, that i have installed from source? |
| 23:23.08 | kbrooks | Butterman: cdrecorrrd == complicated |
| 23:23.09 | sideone | phanter,i would imagine so, it was pretty big and bloated when i used it |
| 23:23.12 | greycat | sideone: it might help if you gave us at least *SOME* fucking clue what the hell you're talking about. |
| 23:23.16 | Butterman | i noticed |
| 23:23.16 | jdhutchin1 | coNP, becuase a newer version is available? |
| 23:23.20 | sideone | it had support for a changer, thats why iused it |
| 23:23.29 | sideone | greycat, ok fine. |
| 23:23.34 | sideone | heh |
| 23:23.35 | cbr | 02:20:47 < sideone> im configuring php5 by src. |
| 23:23.48 | greycat | cbr: oh, then he's *WAY* off topic. |
| 23:23.50 | greycat | sideone: #php |
| 23:23.51 | phanter | maybe I should write my own script... That will keep me up all night again, damn |
| 23:23.56 | kbrooks | sideone: --with-openssl= |
| 23:23.58 | bucky | sideone, build your apache2 module yet? |
| 23:23.58 | sideone | i need to know what dir to specify on my php5 config for openssl |
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| 23:24.04 | sideone | bucky, yeps. |
| 23:24.05 | sideone | thx |
| 23:24.08 | sideone | onto the next part |
| 23:24.10 | coNP | jdhutchin1: no, it wants to upgrade to the same version binary |
| 23:24.17 | bucky | sideone, which module was it? |
| 23:24.21 | sideone | apxs2 |
| 23:24.26 | kbrooks | greycat: he's not.....he wants to know what option to use |
| 23:24.33 | bucky | sideone, which module did you build |
| 23:24.33 | sideone | . /usr/bin/apxs2 |
| 23:24.39 | sideone | threaded |
| 23:24.40 | greycat | kbrooks: compiling php5 is not on topic in #debian. It may be on topic in #php. |
| 23:24.49 | sideone | im sorry for the flame |
| 23:24.59 | sideone | not asking for config options really |
| 23:25.12 | sideone | just trying to find the default dir for openssl so that i can config php5 |
| 23:25.20 | sideone | [19:23] <kbrooks> sideone: --with-openssl= |
| 23:25.20 | greycat | sideone: dpkg -L pkgname | less |
| 23:25.24 | sideone | thx grey |
| 23:25.26 | sideone | :) |
| 23:25.30 | sideone | didnt mean to fire. |
| 23:25.35 | mborohovski | why could it be that glxgears fucks with my terminals? (until i start a new xterm) and xeyes crashes my system? (as in, system doesnt respond at all...to anything...feels like a kernel panic) |
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| 23:25.47 | mborohovski | after a few seconds, my mouse pointer disappears and the system hangs |
| 23:25.51 | greycat | 19:13 mborohovski> greycat: keep in mind im running x.org |
| 23:26.00 | greycat | ^^^^ could be related, at a guess. |
| 23:26.15 | punsad | Azar: why would you need nero if you have k3b |
| 23:26.19 | chaps0063 | has anyone successfully decrypted EFS encrypted files in linux? |
| 23:26.35 | Azar | punsad, I do not need it, as I have not even installed X |
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| 23:27.08 | punsad | Azar: do you burn dvds much? I've not had much luck with CLI |
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| 23:27.18 | kryptech | are there any debian boot disks? |
| 23:27.22 | greycat | !d-i kryptech |
| 23:27.24 | dpkg | kryptech, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:27.34 | robin_sz | where can I get debian for windows XP? |
| 23:27.44 | drac | !confuse robin_sz |
| 23:27.46 | dpkg | No, who was our badger yesterday, robin_sz? shirts of the people's republic of tahiti with extra herring |
| 23:27.46 | Azar | punsad, to be honest, I never burned CDs |
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| 23:27.49 | kbrooks | kryptech: floppy disks are unreliable and prone to damage |
| 23:27.50 | mborohovski | greycat: true, but this was happening with xfree also |
| 23:27.50 | loam | ??? |
| 23:27.51 | mborohovski | lol |
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| 23:28.05 | greycat | dpkg, qotd129 is <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
| 23:28.05 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 23:28.06 | robin_sz | badger? |
| 23:28.06 | shingouz | !camelsmite robin_sz |
| 23:28.11 | kbrooks | robin_sz: are you a hundred percent sure? |
| 23:28.12 | greycat | dpkg, qotd0 =~ s/128/128|129/ |
| 23:28.12 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 23:28.14 | punsad | Azar: growisofs and cdecord work... k3b is just a frontend for them... it's just that there's so many config options to learn |
| 23:28.22 | Azar | yup that was a good quote |
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| 23:28.48 | kbrooks | robin_sz: there is no 'debian for windows xp', fucker. |
| 23:28.51 | robin_sz | kbrooks: nah, just bored :) |
| 23:28.52 | Azar | punsad, yes, I only look to enhance my learning curve |
| 23:29.00 | punsad | Azar: I try to pick my battles especially when it comes to linux |
| 23:29.11 | robin_sz | kbrooks: really? |
| 23:29.21 | robin_sz | kbrooks: will it be released soon? |
| 23:29.28 | kbrooks | robin_sz: |
| 23:29.33 | kbrooks | !confuse robin_sz |
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| 23:29.34 | dpkg | Yes, them are your gouda tomorrow, robin_sz? trousers of the democracy of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 23:29.58 | robin_sz | aww, cant we have another one with "badger" in it. |
| 23:30.05 | robin_sz | why thankyou shingouz :) |
| 23:30.23 | kbrooks | robin_sz: you ARE obviously bored, but this is no excuse for asking obvious questions. |
| 23:30.25 | shingouz | robin_sz: a trollsnack with badgerflavor? |
| 23:30.42 | robin_sz | shingouz: mmmmm .. badger flavour would be *nice* |
| 23:30.44 | mborohovski | hmm |
| 23:30.46 | mborohovski | works fine with twm |
| 23:30.52 | mborohovski | so i venture to guess that its just wmaker |
| 23:31.04 | robin_sz | greycat: http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ # those badgers? |
| 23:31.04 | shingouz | this is odd, sunday and the channel is this silent |
| 23:31.13 | Azar | I wonder how would Debian would look on the new PS3 |
| 23:31.52 | kbrooks | robin_sz: debian for winows xp will be released iin the year 3564! ha ha |
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| 23:32.07 | FabParma | What program can i use to undelete file into a corrupted partition? Thank you |
| 23:32.07 | kbrooks | :) |
| 23:32.07 | robin_sz | kbrooks: well, I had to make a decision. should I have one more go at compiling an RTAI patched kernel, or ask some dumb question and see who bites ... |
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| 23:32.34 | kbrooks | robin_sz: please, have one more go |
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| 23:33.25 | robin_sz | kbrooks: tell you what, you see if you can get the RTAI patches to stick, I'll go and port the rest of the ditro to XP, frankly I think I got the better end of the deal |
| 23:33.27 | shingouz | robin_sz: kernels are good for you :p |
| 23:33.35 | kbrooks | robin_sz: no. |
| 23:33.49 | shingouz | robin_sz: RTAI? == realtime? |
| 23:33.50 | robin_sz | shingouz: yeah, but RTAI patches ... ick |
| 23:33.54 | robin_sz | yeah |
| 23:33.57 | Azar | The licensing terms via which Microsoft is planning to make available its recently announced XML file formats for Office 12 are not compatible with the GNU General Public License, open-source officials say. The result? Unless free and open-source backers are willing to risk violating the Microsoft license, they won't be able to use the new Microsoft formats... |
| 23:33.58 | kbrooks | robin_sz: you SUCK |
| 23:34.11 | kbrooks | Azar: do we care? |
| 23:34.18 | shingouz | 2.6.11.11 on vanilla source. one run with patch and it is there, robin_sz |
| 23:34.21 | chalenged | Azar: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html about a quarter ways down is links to cli recording howtos |
| 23:34.27 | OUTsider | kbrooks: you wish he would :P |
| 23:34.36 | Azar | :) thank you chalenged |
| 23:34.48 | chalenged | Azar: well links to man pages and sites for howtos anyways |
| 23:35.03 | robin_sz | shingouz: possibly. but i have made it harder by drinking beer first |
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| 23:35.15 | robin_sz | possibly too much beer |
| 23:35.36 | chalenged | Azar: thats also only enterprise stuff...not for the general files....ie office i have at home... |
| 23:35.51 | shingouz | robin_sz: i made it harder by running the rt and orinoco patches with thinkpad modules and the spca5xx driver. no beer though |
| 23:35.57 | OUTsider | hmmm, I smell weed around here |
| 23:35.57 | paulswm | kbrooks: was away, not a bad guess, and good for you to be installing and *nix system at such an age. |
| 23:36.08 | akbg | Hi, look this and laught: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=119604 |
| 23:36.09 | shingouz | OUTsider: check your ashtray |
| 23:36.17 | akbg | 4 years for a bad packaging |
| 23:36.23 | robin_sz | shingouz: nice. a realtime wireless think pad .. handy. |
| 23:36.23 | akbg | it's incredible |
| 23:36.25 | OUTsider | shingouz: nope, still gotta roll |
| 23:36.26 | shingouz | you too paulswm |
| 23:36.36 | paulswm | thanks shingouz |
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| 23:36.41 | chalenged | whats the replacement to mkisofs for dvd images? |
| 23:36.46 | shingouz | robin_sz: the only way i was able to make the usb sound work with skype |
| 23:36.55 | robin_sz | coo. |
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| 23:37.04 | kbrooks | paulswm: 'not a bad guess |
| 23:37.05 | kbrooks | '? |
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| 23:37.11 | robin_sz | skype, on linux? |
| 23:37.14 | kbrooks | paulswm: what did i say to you? |
| 23:37.20 | shingouz | robin_sz: yes |
| 23:37.26 | OUTsider | tv is boring around this time |
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| 23:37.28 | paulswm | kbrooks: Oh, a while back, your age |
| 23:37.37 | kbrooks | paulswm: ah ok |
| 23:37.53 | OUTsider | the only thing you see are porn clips trying to trick you calling some stupid tape recording based crap line |
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| 23:38.05 | kbrooks | Wesb: please DO NOT pm me without my express written permission. |
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| 23:38.27 | Teufel | is there a command to reconnect to the internet? |
| 23:38.29 | paulswm | cable TV is good pretty much all the time here |
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| 23:39.01 | shingouz | Teufel: what are you talking about? |
| 23:39.03 | telemaco | hi there! |
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| 23:39.43 | Teufel | shingouz: like if I changed an option for networking, is there a way to stop my etho card and then start it again or is it easier to just restart comp? |
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| 23:39.54 | ricky_clarkson | In need of more entertainment. |
| 23:39.57 | paulswm | But I can't go to a cafe and smoke weed, so there are pluses and minuses :P |
| 23:40.00 | kbrooks | Teufel: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 23:40.09 | paulswm | *pouf* gone |
| 23:40.11 | kbrooks | dhcpcd -k eth0 |
| 23:40.11 | telemaco | Teufel: ifdown eth0 -> ifup eth0 |
| 23:40.14 | shingouz | Teufel: ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 |
| 23:40.16 | ricky_clarkson | Maths has plusses and minuses. |
| 23:40.36 | Teufel | thanks |
| 23:40.38 | shingouz | Teufel: that is if you made the entries in interfaces |
| 23:40.42 | OUTsider | Teufel: easiest way, pull the plug :P |
| 23:40.46 | kbrooks | bucky: well? |
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| 23:40.54 | cheal | dpkg: no, xfce4.2 is in unstable |
| 23:40.55 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 23:41.01 | Teufel | shingouz: yeah I did |
| 23:41.05 | chalenged | ahh ok mkisofs has a new switch as versions increased mkisofs -dvd-video |
| 23:41.11 | shingouz | Teufel: ifdown ifup then |
| 23:41.11 | cbr | xfce 4.2 has unresolved deps in unstable :/ |
| 23:41.20 | telemaco | anyone can tell me about monitoring the traffic in a specifyc port? |
| 23:41.23 | cheal | cbr: heh, sorry |
| 23:41.24 | bucky | dpkg tell kbrooks about pm |
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| 23:41.31 | Mez | hmm |
| 23:41.40 | Eulex | cbr: unstable is there for the devs to break |
| 23:41.45 | kbrooks | bucky: do not abuse the bot |
| 23:41.58 | ricky_clarkson | bucky: Did kbrooks /msg you? |
| 23:42.03 | bucky | no |
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| 23:42.06 | chalenged | telemaco: iptraf filter all but the port you want... |
| 23:42.09 | robin_sz | oh, wankstains. why do people make tar's of stuff from within the source dir ... now its all over ~ |
| 23:42.10 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: i didnt |
| 23:42.15 | Teufel | If I am in a manual, how do I exit that to the terminal again? |
| 23:42.22 | ricky_clarkson | Teufel: q |
| 23:42.29 | Mez | shingouz, I installed debian onto a USB hdd .... |
| 23:42.31 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: he used the bot to circumvent what i said |
| 23:42.35 | cbr | Eulex: i doubt any part of any distibution is there for the devs to break.. test new things probably.. and that doesnt equal breakage |
| 23:42.43 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: I always view the contents first. |
| 23:42.44 | bucky | ricky_clarkson, do you know grumpydog ? |
| 23:42.47 | Mez | alrady had grub isntalled form my other ubuntu install |
| 23:42.48 | shingouz | Mez: in that case i will hide under the bed |
| 23:42.48 | ricky_clarkson | bucky: Yes. |
| 23:42.57 | bucky | same town? |
| 23:42.58 | Teufel | ricky_clarkson: lol thanks, I was trying ctrl+q and a bunch of other combos |
| 23:43.01 | ricky_clarkson | bucky: Yes. |
| 23:43.07 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: good advice |
| 23:43.09 | Mez | I jsut think i shoulda made a /boot partition on my main HDD |
| 23:43.10 | shingouz | Mez: is is ubuntu you are installing? |
| 23:43.16 | Mez | I have ubuntu to start |
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| 23:43.22 | Mez | installed ebian secondary onto USB hdd |
| 23:43.25 | kbrooks | shingouz: ubuntu isnt supported |
| 23:43.31 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 23:43.32 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
| 23:43.36 | robin_sz | mmm mambo CMS looks nice ... no debian package though . |
| 23:43.39 | shingouz | kbrooks: do you think i do not know that |
| 23:43.42 | ricky_clarkson | Read that dpkg output carefully. |
| 23:43.49 | cheal | cbr: looks like it's fine for i386 |
| 23:43.55 | Mez | dpkg - lol - er actually installing debian - lol :d |
| 23:43.59 | cbr | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian |
| 23:44.02 | cbr | huh? |
| 23:44.05 | shingouz | dpkg: what are you |
| 23:44.06 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:44.14 | kbrooks | Mez: ubuntu is offtopic. are you asking for help with debian or ubuntu? |
| 23:44.15 | ricky_clarkson | cbr: Sarcasm. |
| 23:44.19 | bucky | we have enough trouble supporting kbrooks, without trying to support other newbies running Sid |
| 23:44.26 | Mez | erm, I'm asking for help with.... debnian i think |
| 23:44.31 | Guerin | !think |
| 23:44.31 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 23:44.41 | ricky_clarkson | Mez: What version of debnian i think are you using> |
| 23:44.41 | kbrooks | bucky: don't mock me. i'm not running sid |
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| 23:44.46 | punsad | kbrooks: how is ubuntu off topic if it is based on debian? |
| 23:44.51 | Guerin | !mock kbrooks |
| 23:44.54 | shingouz | Mez: if you are lacking a /boot partition the only thing you can do is to reinstall |
| 23:45.03 | Mez | shingouz, I'm not lakcing /boot |
| 23:45.05 | Mez | baiscally |
| 23:45.05 | cheal | !based on debian |
| 23:45.05 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:45.09 | shingouz | punsad: do not even start on that |
| 23:45.12 | Azar | punsad, there is an #unbutu channel, here is only about debian |
| 23:45.13 | Mez | I have a /boot on my other installation of another OS |
| 23:45.17 | jaymes | why is miranda? what's wrong with gaim? |
| 23:45.17 | ricky_clarkson | punsad: The same way English is off-topic in #German |
| 23:45.19 | Mez | debian install asked me to install grub |
| 23:45.21 | monolith | hi all :) haven't used linux since 1.3.x :) just downloaded the debian iso for net-install, and i'm going at it now :) how is everybody here? :) |
| 23:45.22 | punsad | okie dokie... just wondering |
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| 23:45.31 | Guerin | punsad: how is canned tuna unlike fresh tuna? |
| 23:45.45 | bucky | monolith, great.. you'll like it |
| 23:45.46 | jaymes | monolith, peachy keen |
| 23:45.47 | Mez | i didnt want it on ythe main HDD caus ei knew it would try and use the USB hdd when booting (every time) so i installed to /dev/sda3 |
| 23:45.50 | cheal | jaymes: is that supposed to be on topic? |
| 23:45.51 | kbrooks | sorry for starting a debate |
| 23:45.54 | cbr | cheal: i'm running i386 and the metapackage wants xfce4-mcs-plugins >=4.2.2-1 which hasnt hit the repos yet |
| 23:45.57 | OUTsider | if they go on like this you can add redslut into the "!based on debian" list :P |
| 23:46.02 | Eulex | cbr: because of dependencies, packages have to go into unstable in a certain order, and therefore things break occasionally... it's a rule |
| 23:46.06 | Teufel | is there any way to tell what TYPE of ram you are running without opening the case? |
| 23:46.11 | Azar | punsad, pork, beef and chicken are "meat" but that does not mean they are "same" kind of meat |
| 23:46.13 | monolith | bucky: i hope so :) been using freebsd all this time, but looking forward to see how things in the linux world have gone. i used debian way back when so figured it'd be suiting to come back to it ;) |
| 23:46.15 | Guerin | cbr: that's what you get for running sid/experimental |
| 23:46.15 | ricky_clarkson | Teufel: X-Rays? ;) |
| 23:46.25 | kbrooks | !sid |
| 23:46.25 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 23:46.34 | OUTsider | Teufel: how about the BIOS startup screen itself ? |
| 23:46.36 | Xenguy | Hi - has anyone here by any chance setup Drupal on Apache and Debian? |
| 23:46.36 | kbrooks | cbr: |
| 23:46.37 | Mez | but am wondering what i should do seeing as I want the debian entries in my other grub |
| 23:46.39 | jaymes | cheal, gaim is a linux app & miranda is afaik a windows app that could be a port of gaim |
| 23:46.41 | cbr | Eulex: can't they be inserted simultaneously? |
| 23:46.43 | ricky_clarkson | !eminem |
| 23:46.43 | dpkg | eminem is, like, < za> I just got back from the eminem gig at Milton Keynes... it rained... constantly.. and he sucked ass. a debian user ("try 'cid [sid] and get fucked up worse than my life is" - My Name Is) |
| 23:46.46 | kbrooks | read what dpkg says. |
| 23:46.46 | shingouz | !tell Xenguy about ask |
| 23:46.48 | bucky | monolith, you won't have any trouble with it considering your background |
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| 23:46.53 | baikonur | hi |
| 23:46.57 | monolith | this channel is insanely busy :P |
| 23:47.00 | Guerin | jaymes: miranda and gaim are totally sepearate, aiui |
| 23:47.01 | kryptech | yes |
| 23:47.02 | kryptech | it is |
| 23:47.03 | robin_sz | Teufel: sure there is ... its called an endoscope |
| 23:47.04 | monolith | ahh bucky, yes, i'm almost done with the net install now :) |
| 23:47.11 | ricky_clarkson | I only come here when my other channels aren't keeping me awake. |
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| 23:47.24 | thomas_adam | Pffft. |
| 23:47.25 | shingouz | Mez: installing that thing on a usb disk.. i think that is what is called tricky |
| 23:47.28 | Azar | Guerin, there is a fresh article at /. about miranda, I never bothered to read all |
| 23:47.32 | Eulex | cbr: that's what I've heard -- you'll have to ask a dd for the details |
| 23:47.40 | greyson | james: there exists gAIM for windows... not by another name. |
| 23:47.40 | cheal | cbr: it was uploaded today. maybe you need to apt-get update |
| 23:47.41 | Mez | shingouz - it registers as a SCSI drive :D |
| 23:47.43 | jaymes | Guerin, yeah, I know; just wonder why people reinvent the wheel |
| 23:47.47 | Guerin | Azar: as IM clients for windows go, it's pretty nifty. |
| 23:47.57 | Xenguy | shingouz: nope, I need a specialist in this case |
| 23:47.59 | ricky_clarkson | jaymes: Sometimes they find other people's square wheels hard to use. |
| 23:48.01 | kryptech | "Those who dont understand linux are dommed to reinvent it" |
| 23:48.04 | Mez | I'm going to ad the entries from the grub installed to debian drive to the other install's menu.lst |
| 23:48.05 | Guerin | jaymes: maybe because gaim is shit, especially on windows? |
| 23:48.10 | Mez | but it wont auto-magically update? |
| 23:48.10 | shingouz | Mez: put it into the lilo.conf as a scsi drive then and cross your fingers |
| 23:48.11 | Mez | will it ? |
| 23:48.18 | monolith | from what i remember (years and years ago) you needed a good list of deb repositories to have a decently running debian system, is that still true? aka can i ditch xfree86 and move to xorg on the debian stable repository? or do i need to look elsewhere (also for things like kde 3.4.1 and such) |
| 23:48.20 | cheal | gaim is Gaim, nor gAIM |
| 23:48.20 | shingouz | Xenguy: jsut ask, man. do not poll |
| 23:48.21 | bucky | kryptech, "Those who dont understand debian are dommed to reinvent it" |
| 23:48.29 | kbrooks | I have a question. Is there any great PDF writers for Linux? |
| 23:48.33 | cbr | cheal: i've done one |
| 23:48.33 | jaymes | Guerin, that may be; is there something better for linux? |
| 23:48.33 | Mez | shingouz - can i /query you - half of what I'm trying to explain is getting lsot in the ether it seems |
| 23:48.38 | Xenguy | shingouz: please put away the soap box |
| 23:48.40 | kryptech | Guerin: which explains why it is the most popular messaging utility? |
| 23:48.41 | shingouz | Mez: no |
| 23:48.42 | cheal | jaymes: is that supposed to be an answer to my question? |
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| 23:48.44 | Guerin | jaymes: irssi-text |
| 23:48.46 | kbrooks | s/linux/Debian |
| 23:48.47 | Mez | fair enough |
| 23:48.48 | Azar | Guerin, since I never use IM I guess that why miranda topic did not attract me much |
| 23:48.55 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Not directly, but by way of LaTeX, sure. |
| 23:48.56 | shingouz | Xenguy: i am tall enough not to need a soapbox |
| 23:48.59 | Mez | I'll try and write and get iit close together then |
| 23:49.06 | Mez | rkwrite |
| 23:49.10 | coNP | kbrooks: oowriter |
| 23:49.11 | samuel | u know the command chmod? is there a command to read the number view of the permissions in the terminal? i know it shows it in nautilus, but how do i see it in the term? |
| 23:49.13 | Guerin | kryptech: either gnome or kde are the most popular DE and until recently redhat was the most popular distro. Your point? |
| 23:49.16 | MobyTurbo | monolith: it's a lot less true since Sarge came out then before. You need another source for xorg and the latest KDE I suppose, but why do you need that? |
| 23:49.18 | Xenguy | shingouz: shhhhh :-) |
| 23:49.19 | lcore | I want to setup a svn server for some of my projects (aprox 1.2G in total). How much space should I provide for the repository? |
| 23:49.22 | cheal | cbr: maybe your mirror is just waiting to be refreshed. I think that happens each day |
| 23:49.23 | shingouz | Mez: i have to tell you that i have no idea about grub though |
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| 23:49.30 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: Are you ONE HUNDRED PERCENT sure of this? |
| 23:49.32 | Mez | lol fair enough |
| 23:49.32 | monolith | moby: just for the "Cool Factor" :P |
| 23:49.37 | cbr | possibly |
| 23:49.40 | Teufel | I read the manual on interfaces, I am trying to make my linux comp have a static ip so I added these lines to /etc/network/interfaces : iface eth0-home inet static address 192.168.1.125 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:49.44 | Mez | just wondeirng what the commadn to automagically recompile grub stuf fis |
| 23:49.44 | cbr | is there only one refresh per 24h? |
| 23:49.45 | Mez | wait |
| 23:49.45 | monolith | moby: this is a desktop system, my servers are going to stay on freebsd for the time being |
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| 23:49.47 | jaymes | Guerin, irssi doesn't do half the protocols gaim does |
| 23:49.48 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: No, but then I'd have to go and do the one thing you should be already -- google. |
| 23:49.49 | Teufel | why isn't it making it that address? |
| 23:49.54 | Mez | bet you i cna dpkg-=reconfigure it |
| 23:49.58 | cheal | cbr: I'm sure sid users know |
| 23:49.59 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: 100% is only accurate to 0.5%. |
| 23:50.04 | Guerin | jaymes: no, it does all of them. |
| 23:50.07 | baikonur | I'm trying to boot Debian via an IDE-Controller (HPT302), but my kernel 2.6.12 panics, because it cannot mount the root filesystem. I'm using LILO as a bootloader and root=/dev/hda2 is my root partition. I think that the device names change when connected to the pci-ide-controller but I do not know their new names. Can someone tell me how I could find out what the correct device name is? |
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| 23:50.20 | MobyTurbo | monolith: they are functionally the same, unless your video card is a very new unsupported one. |
| 23:50.22 | kbrooks | samuel: thomas_adam heh, i'm not a fan of the consolev unfortunately |
| 23:50.25 | kbrooks | er |
| 23:50.26 | Azar | thomas_adam, I have an out-of topic , personal question for you, may I pm you? |
| 23:50.30 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: * |
| 23:50.35 | thomas_adam | Azar: You may. |
| 23:50.39 | Azar | thank you |
| 23:50.44 | monolith | moby: i see. :) well does debian plan to migrate eventually? |
| 23:50.46 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Sorry? |
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| 23:50.57 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: heh, i'm not a fan of the console unfortunately |
| 23:50.58 | monolith | bcoz of license changes |
| 23:50.59 | shingouz | Teufel: eth0-home? that is not how it should be. the '-home' screws it up. you need to input the default gateway too for that matter |
| 23:51.05 | MobyTurbo | monolith: yes, etch will have xorg and more recent KDE |
| 23:51.05 | micnet | alguem do brasil por ai? |
| 23:51.10 | Guerin | !br |
| 23:51.10 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:51.11 | greyson | MobyTurbo, the reason there's been a lot of switches is because of the XFree license |
| 23:51.14 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Umm, what has that to do with your question? |
| 23:51.22 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: googling |
| 23:51.23 | cbr | !ee |
| 23:51.23 | dpkg | it has been said that ee is for gEEks. Estonia |
| 23:51.26 | micnet | thanks |
| 23:51.29 | Mez | ah no |
| 23:51.30 | cbr | lol |
| 23:51.30 | MobyTurbo | !tell monolith about nicktab |
| 23:51.31 | monolith | moby: excuse my ignorance, do you have a place to tell me where to look up this "etch"? |
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| 23:51.41 | shingouz | !etch |
| 23:51.41 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 23:51.47 | MobyTurbo | monolith: etch is testing |
| 23:51.49 | cheal | !topicsmite monolith |
| 23:51.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon monolith. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:51.50 | shingouz | monolith: did that help? |
| 23:51.58 | robin_sz | thomas_adam: I think he is trying to say he prefers t click-and-drool rather than type. probably a mac user in his spare time |
| 23:52.00 | Teufel | shingouz: the manual on interfaces says it should be eth0-home, i'll try without, and it never specifies a default gateway, it has "up flush-mail" |
| 23:52.01 | monolith | i don't like nick completition, i have it turned off in colloquy |
| 23:52.04 | MobyTurbo | greyson: true, but that isn't an issue with xfree86 4.3 |
| 23:52.10 | monolith | cheal: sorry, i can't read the topic, it's too long |
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| 23:52.20 | thomas_adam | robin_sz: Probably just a moron full time. |
| 23:52.20 | shingouz | Teufel: sec, lemme check sometihng |
| 23:52.21 | monolith | only see up until the /msg dpkg install debian part |
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| 23:52.28 | kbrooks | robin_sz: console's ok, it's just not my home |
| 23:52.39 | ricky_clarkson | monolith: Type /topic |
| 23:52.41 | monolith | shingouz: yes it helped very much thank you :) |
| 23:52.48 | cheal | monolith: try an upgrade... you ask pretty long questions too |
| 23:52.50 | ESCulapio | quien me puede dar soporte con asterisk |
| 23:52.56 | ricky_clarkson | !spanish |
| 23:52.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:52.58 | robin_sz | thomas_adam: you know what they say about mac users ... one button mice for one braincell users ;) |
| 23:52.58 | monolith | ricky: no such functionality in this client, i come from ircII era, trust me i know the commandlines ;) |
| 23:53.01 | greyson | MobyTurbo *nod* But it did give x.org a spotlight it hadn't seen in about a decade. |
| 23:53.06 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 23:53.09 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: heh, if only this wasnt a server, i would be using kde |
| 23:53.10 | shingouz | Teufel: no -home and the gateway is needed too. you will need the /etc/resolv.conf too for that matter |
| 23:53.20 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: My condolences to you. |
| 23:53.27 | ricky_clarkson | bucky: So, do you know grumpydog too? |
| 23:53.30 | MobyTurbo | greyson: x.org is a different organization now than years ago. |
| 23:53.42 | robin_sz | kbrooks: well, debian and console .. thats the way it is. you'll grow to like them both |
| 23:53.44 | bucky | ricky_clarkson, just from irc |
| 23:53.44 | punsad | to the dude that hasn't used linux since 1.3 (I forgot who it was); why try linux now? Just curious |
| 23:53.49 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: i'm waiting for the mac mini.......i'm receiving one sooon |
| 23:53.55 | daxiang | kbrooks: well you're young ... with 14 years i didn't even have my own computer |
| 23:54.03 | Teufel | shingouz: it doesn't read /etc/network/interfaces if there is no '-home' just says it can't read it =/ |
| 23:54.04 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: I see. |
| 23:54.06 | robin_sz | see. I knew he was a mac user! |
| 23:54.15 | monolith | i have macs too :) |
| 23:54.17 | kbrooks | robin_sz: no, i LOVE the mac |
| 23:54.21 | Phated | There's nothing wrong with macs. |
| 23:54.23 | directhex | bloody macs |
| 23:54.25 | thomas_adam | They're irritating. |
| 23:54.30 | daxiang | kbrooks: using which cpu? |
| 23:54.32 | monolith | they tend to work for me |
| 23:54.33 | directhex | horrible unproductive ui |
| 23:54.33 | robin_sz | one button mice for one brain-cell users |
| 23:54.34 | thomas_adam | Not to mention they look awful. |
| 23:54.47 | MobyTurbo | greyson: interestingly enough xfree86 nearly forked from x.org's reference implementation when x.org changed *their* license to a closed one, but they changed it back to the MIT license. |
| 23:54.48 | Guerin | bah, macs are ok... it's just apple I can't stand |
| 23:54.51 | Phated | They're colourful. |
| 23:54.52 | robin_sz | and the keyboards! ... |
| 23:54.57 | SDFH_Linux | i had a mac |
| 23:55.00 | SDFH_Linux | powerbook |
| 23:55.02 | SDFH_Linux | sold it |
| 23:55.03 | robin_sz | just where is the @ key again? |
| 23:55.03 | Phated | Apple -are- ick. Macs are all right. |
| 23:55.05 | Eulex | apple is gonna go intel |
| 23:55.05 | daxiang | thomas_adam: well linus has one. but he doesn't look to good either. |
| 23:55.14 | kbrooks | daxiang: uhh, that's a obvious answer, please go and look at http://apple.com/macmini |
| 23:55.15 | daxiang | ;) |
| 23:55.18 | monolith | directhex: dunno, it's been very productive for me and all 74 of my employees to use macs, there was a huge jump when switching to mac from winxp |
| 23:55.24 | kbrooks | daxiang: thank you........ |
| 23:55.28 | thomas_adam | Apple were good when they usd to use their multi-coloured logo. |
| 23:55.29 | shingouz | Teufel: iface eth0 inet static; address xx.xx.xx.xx; netmask xx.xx.xx.xx ; network xx.xx.xx.xx;broadcast xx.xx.xx.xx; gateway xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 23:55.31 | monolith | but then, it is a datacenter |
| 23:55.39 | greyson | MobyTurbo, lol -- I was just a fledgling at the time, so I wasn't aware of licenses etc, anywhere this history is documented? |
| 23:55.48 | shingouz | Teufel: oh, before that you also need eth0 auto |
| 23:55.48 | directhex | monolith, "wading through treacle" is how macos feels to me |
| 23:55.48 | kbrooks | May I poll? |
| 23:55.54 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: No. |
| 23:55.57 | bucky | Teufel, are you using ifup and ifdown or /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 23:56.01 | kbrooks | OK. |
| 23:56.02 | daxiang | kbrooks: no i mean with the anounced switch of apple, do you still LOVE macs? |
| 23:56.10 | monolith | directhex: you've probably not spent enough time dedicated to using it to get used to the interface |
| 23:56.10 | MobyTurbo | greyson: I don't know. Google or Wikipedia might help. :) |
| 23:56.18 | kbrooks | daxiang: I don't care about the switch. |
| 23:56.21 | Teufel | bucky: yes ifup and ifdown |
| 23:56.24 | monolith | directhex: it takes a month or two of primarily living with a mac to get used to the UI |
| 23:56.36 | monolith | at which point it becomes geometrically more productive to use |
| 23:56.37 | directhex | kbrooks, but g5 is 3x faster than intel. apple said so, int their older adverts |
| 23:56.42 | kbrooks | at my school, they have macs |
| 23:56.51 | thomas_adam | Wow. |
| 23:56.52 | Phated | For general use? |
| 23:56.58 | kbrooks | directhex: so what? speed doesnt matter |
| 23:56.58 | thomas_adam | At my school we have BBC Micros still. |
| 23:57.00 | robin_sz | how .. inhumane |
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| 23:57.06 | directhex | monolith, well that's productive. beos took 2-3 minutes for me to become more productive than any other os available to me |
| 23:57.06 | kbrooks | no, library use |
| 23:57.17 | Phated | At my school, I think we have macs for the artsy students. |
| 23:57.17 | monolith | does debian still use dselect for updating? :P |
| 23:57.20 | MobyTurbo | thomas_adam: 8 bit? |
| 23:57.20 | monolith | excuse my ignorance |
| 23:57.25 | robin_sz | do they teach cobol to under 5's too? |
| 23:57.26 | directhex | monolith, if you want it to |
| 23:57.26 | thomas_adam | MobyTurbo: Indeed. |
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| 23:57.30 | shingouz | monolith: yes if you want to use it |
| 23:57.37 | monolith | directhex: what is the prefered method though, i'm asking |
| 23:57.44 | monolith | preferred even |
| 23:57.44 | Teufel | shingouz: so the line before iface needs to be "eth0 auto" |
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| 23:57.47 | daxiang | monolith: dselect update is a good method of updating when using tools like "grep-dctrl" |
| 23:57.47 | directhex | monolith, aptitude or apt-get |
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| 23:57.49 | shingouz | Teufel: yes |
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| 23:58.04 | kbrooks | anyway. |
| 23:58.18 | Teufel | shingouz: is auto eth0 the same thing? That is already there |
| 23:58.19 | monolith | aptitude sounds fun :) i'll try it |
| 23:58.19 | thomas_adam | I still have two BBCs. A model A and a Model B. I believe my old Compact is in the loft, too. Happy days. |
| 23:58.21 | daxiang | monolith: if you don't use grep-dctrl, you can use aptitude/apt-get for updating |
| 23:58.34 | MobyTurbo | monolith: aptitude has taken the place of dselect for a lot of users |
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| 23:58.41 | bucky | Teufel, your syntax is different |
| 23:58.41 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-reconf |
| 23:58.46 | kbrooks | Does dselect suck? |
| 23:58.47 | monolith | MobyTurbo: i see :) hm, debian won't change beyond 800x600 lol. |
| 23:58.52 | thomas_adam | MobyTurbo: Yes, but it's still useful to fix some dependency issues. |
| 23:58.54 | shingouz | kbrooks: no |
| 23:58.56 | monolith | kbrooks: i loved dselect way back in the day :) |
| 23:59.05 | directhex | monolith, evidently you asked xfree86 not to offer other resolutions |
| 23:59.15 | directhex | monolith, debian runs at 1600x1200 fine for me |
| 23:59.17 | monolith | directhex: it offers 640x480 :P |
| 23:59.24 | MobyTurbo | monolith: I am in 1024x768, higher resolutions are possible but not on my monitor. :-) |
| 23:59.25 | shingouz | monolith: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:59.27 | monolith | i think it might be an issue with the crappy ati 7500 i have in this machine |
| 23:59.34 | MobyTurbo | monolith: then you aren't configuring X properly |
| 23:59.38 | monolith | i did select the ati driver |
| 23:59.50 | monolith | mobyturbo: i let debian configure X :) i'm just going to edit the config by hand |
| 23:59.50 | MobyTurbo | monolith: try "radeon" |
| 23:59.51 | kbrooks | i'm tempted to try dselect |
| 23:59.51 | directhex | monolith, and on the resoluton picking screen? |
| 23:59.53 | monolith | that'll fix that really quickly ;) |
