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| 00:01.24 | shingouz | wellwellwell |
| 00:01.24 | thingfish | yeah, baby! |
| 00:01.33 | cthulfuego | *surf* |
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| 00:01.34 | shingouz | groovy |
| 00:01.36 | kodek | 8 passes of memtest86, can i take it for granted that my memory stick is fine? or should i let it finish? |
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| 00:01.51 | cthulfuego | kodek: How long did it run for? |
| 00:01.52 | thingfish | kodek: 8 cycles of tests? |
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| 00:02.04 | kodek | cthulfuego, thingfish: 1 hour 4 minutes |
| 00:02.14 | cthulfuego | kodek: if it doesn't do poo during an overnight run, your ram is fine. |
| 00:02.24 | LeeColleton | for some reason I can't forward X11 connections from my SSH login. The $DISPLAY doesn't set automatically when I connect with ssh -X |
| 00:02.33 | cthulfuego | kodek: It's probably OK then. |
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| 00:02.36 | greycat | LeeColleton: /msg dpgk sshx |
| 00:02.39 | greycat | bah. |
| 00:02.43 | greycat | LeeColleton: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 00:02.46 | thingfish | well, according to the memtest people, one pass is enough to catch real ram defects. |
| 00:02.48 | kodek | cthulfuego: so 8 passes, or 1 hour is fine? |
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| 00:02.57 | kodek | oh, ok then :) |
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| 00:03.24 | cthulfuego | kodek: Well, if it had a glaring problem, I'd expect it to show after an hour. |
| 00:03.36 | thingfish | yep |
| 00:03.51 | kodek | if my processor is messed up, what kind of symptoms will i get? |
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| 00:04.00 | LeeColleton | thanks greycat |
| 00:04.02 | cthulfuego | kodek: kernel panics |
| 00:04.11 | cthulfuego | kodek: *random* kernel panics |
| 00:04.18 | kodek | cthulfuego: even before installing an os? |
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| 00:04.29 | greycat | kodek: linux (the kernel) runs during the installation |
| 00:04.46 | kodek | greycat: knoppix runs fine, but the winxp install doesnt even run |
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| 00:04.50 | thingfish | could be ram timing maybe... |
| 00:04.57 | greycat | kodek: oh, then ask a windows channel :) |
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| 00:05.05 | kodek | thingfish: timings are default |
| 00:05.10 | thingfish | hrmm |
| 00:05.20 | thingfish | what are they? |
| 00:05.26 | kodek | not sure, they're on automatic |
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| 00:06.09 | kodek | thingfish: i also know it's not a faulty bios, because my mobo has dualbios, and i tried both of them |
| 00:06.14 | cthulfuego | kodek: That's preculiar. Does the windows install _start_ or doesn't it get that far even? |
| 00:06.27 | kodek | cthulfuego: it crashes randomly with read errors |
| 00:06.35 | kodek | cthulfuego: and my drives are ok. |
| 00:06.36 | cthulfuego | kodek: Read errors of the cd? |
| 00:06.44 | kodek | cthulfuego: apparently. |
| 00:06.56 | cthulfuego | kodek: So perhaps the windows install cd is busted. |
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| 00:07.00 | monsoon-other | damn Ive installed ndiswrapper-source deb, and kernel-source deb, then I go into /usr/src/ndiswrapper/ andtry to make I get cant find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.11.9-amd64-k8 because its not in there... |
| 00:07.03 | kodek | cthulfuego: it's a brand new cd |
| 00:07.14 | cthulfuego | kodek: Hmm. No big scratches on it? |
| 00:07.19 | kodek | cthulfuego: not one |
| 00:07.29 | monsoon-other | i mean /lib/modules/2.6.11.9-amd64-k8/build/ |
| 00:07.35 | cthulfuego | monsoon-other: install and run 'module-assistant' |
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| 00:07.46 | kodek | also, another problem i have, is sometimes when i hit caps lock, the keyboard "lags" |
| 00:07.47 | thingfish | yeah but if it were hardware, knoppix would run like shit too. |
| 00:07.50 | shingouz | monsoon-other: that is not where the kernel sources go, how about checking /usr/src for the hell of it |
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| 00:08.05 | thingfish | kodek: you build this system yourself/ |
| 00:08.07 | cthulfuego | thingfish: I've had some WEIRD issues with linux/windows on new machines. |
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| 00:08.15 | kodek | thingfish: knoppix loaded pretty quick, but the windows install takes forever to init, then crashes |
| 00:08.17 | kodek | thingfish : yes |
| 00:08.22 | matthewe | so what is the security updating feature in sarge is /. referring to? |
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| 00:08.46 | cthulfuego | thingfish: My amd64 can't run windows when the extra pci ide card has dvdrw's plugged in, but runs fine with the dvdrw's unplugged. Linux runs on it fine either way. |
| 00:08.52 | thingfish | kodek: did you check your motherboard's website for ram compatibility? |
| 00:09.00 | shingouz | DHawk: just that the security was still pointing to testing instead of stable |
| 00:09.04 | thingfish | that's wild cthulfuego. |
| 00:09.06 | _oc | I have problems changing my GRUB configuration.. When installing Debian Sarge, it mistakenly recognized the root drive as /dev/sdb (it used devfs, so in reality /dev/scsi/host0/d...) however the installed kernel recognizes it as /dev/sda.. I have changed all entries in /etc/fstab to reflect correctly, so all mounts are done correctly, however I cannot figure out how to change the /boot/grub/menu.lst file and make it stick. The automatic configuration somehow chang |
| 00:09.08 | cthulfuego | kodek: What mobo is it, specifically? |
| 00:09.19 | kodek | cthulfuego: a gigabyte board, k8ns ultra-939 |
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| 00:09.32 | cthulfuego | thingfish: And it can't boot off HD (at all!) with another ide pci card plugged in. |
| 00:09.35 | kodek | thingfish: no i didnt, but the memcheck program didnt crash or anything. |
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| 00:09.59 | cthulfuego | kodek: I think the K8NS mobos have some odd issues, because my misbehaving mobo is a k8ns pro. |
| 00:10.08 | _oc | grub-install /dev/sda yields the "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." error |
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| 00:10.12 | kodek | cthulfuego: what kind of issues? |
| 00:10.15 | simonrvn | cthulfuego: hey dude. how goes? |
| 00:10.16 | thingfish | hell man stumps me. |
| 00:10.19 | cthulfuego | kodek: As laid out above. |
| 00:10.23 | LeeColleton | greycat: actually, that didn't work. I installed xbase-clients and placed 'ForwardX11 yes' in /etc/ssh/ssh_config but I'm getting the same result: Log in and $DISPLAY isn't set |
| 00:10.26 | DHawk | shingouz: ahh, they made it seem like it was automatic |
| 00:10.33 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: Oddly, no hangover. |
| 00:10.36 | kodek | cthulfuego: have you tried replacing it? |
| 00:10.46 | simonrvn | cool. always a Good thing not having a hangover |
| 00:10.47 | cthulfuego | kodek: The mobo? No. |
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| 00:10.53 | simonrvn | s/t/T/ |
| 00:11.05 | kodek | cthulfuego: so i can assume it's the motherboard, then |
| 00:11.05 | cthulfuego | kodek: I eventually moved cases around and decided to make the older athlon2400 run the dvdrw array |
| 00:11.13 | greycat | LeeColleton: ssh_config != sshd_config |
| 00:11.20 | cthulfuego | kodek: Pretty sure. You on the latest BIOS? |
| 00:11.26 | NewpZ | can i dist-upgrade my sarge rel to the new rel? |
| 00:11.29 | LeeColleton | greycat: good point |
| 00:11.34 | kodek | cthulfuego: probably not, but i cant upgrade because i need windows to flash it |
| 00:11.43 | _oc | /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc doesn't even exist even though dmesg lists : "/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 >" (which is my target drive) |
| 00:11.45 | simonrvn | use a dos disk |
| 00:11.49 | cthulfuego | kodek: got floppy? |
| 00:11.50 | simonrvn | freedos, etc. |
| 00:11.58 | kodek | cthulfuego: ive got a floppy DRIVE, not a floppy :) |
| 00:12.05 | kodek | cthulfuego: but all the bios revisions are .exe's |
| 00:12.07 | cthulfuego | kodek: <heh> typical :-) |
| 00:12.20 | kodek | cthulfuego: they use a program that runs off windows and flashes it |
| 00:12.24 | cthulfuego | kodek: I can make you a floppy image and put it up for download, if you find a disk. |
| 00:12.24 | kodek | the bios |
| 00:12.29 | _oc | kodek: find a windows machine and make your BIOS upgrade disks |
| 00:12.39 | cthulfuego | kodek: Actually no. |
| 00:12.39 | simonrvn | cd-rw |
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| 00:12.51 | kodek | cthulfuego: im pretty sure i need to flash it from windows, or thats what the manual said. |
| 00:12.53 | cthulfuego | kodek: The dual-bios boards only need a DIS formatted floppy with *only* the bios on it. |
| 00:13.04 | cthulfuego | kodek: You can flash the bios from within the bios util, at bootup. |
| 00:13.17 | cthulfuego | s/dis/dos/ |
| 00:13.22 | _oc | cthulfuego: not always |
| 00:13.27 | kodek | cthulfuego: really? so that .exe i can get off their site is probably a winrar file or something, huh? |
| 00:13.41 | cthulfuego | kodek: Let me check (I can unpack it for you anyway) |
| 00:13.45 | NewpZ | i pointed my sources.list to ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ Debian3.1r0 main i did an apt-get update but when i do apt-get dist-upgrade, i get nothing |
| 00:13.48 | kodek | cthulfuego: thank you |
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| 00:14.21 | _oc | kodek: No. It is a MOST likely an executable that writes an embedded image of the bootdisk with the BIOS upgrade to a floppy disk. You surely need a windows machine, and a floppy to upgrade it. |
| 00:14.34 | cthulfuego | _oc: No. |
| 00:14.56 | simonrvn | that sounds like crap from a mnufacturer |
| 00:14.56 | grendal_prime | anyone any good with vcd from avi? |
| 00:14.56 | cthulfuego | _oc: gigabyte mobo have a bios with embedded flash util. |
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| 00:15.17 | _oc | cthulfuego: ok. Then.. kodek: find a damned floppy disk and try it. |
| 00:15.19 | cthulfuego | kodek: ultra-939 right? |
| 00:15.24 | kodek | cthulfuego: thats right |
| 00:15.37 | kodek | _oc: that'll be the hardest part. i'll just go buy some in a minute. |
| 00:15.42 | cthulfuego | kodek: F6 is the latest bios. |
| 00:15.43 | _oc | no need to waste more time on theoretics |
| 00:16.03 | cthulfuego | _oc: We have the situationuinder control. meddling is not required, thanks. |
| 00:16.12 | kodek | cthulfuego: :) |
| 00:16.27 | grendal_prime | im having a hard time figureing out how to get this stuff into a format that i can read with a regular dvd player...i need vcd grrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:16.30 | ariel_1231 | hi guys, is there anyone able to help me setting up lm-sensors, I got this message when i type sensors: No sensors found! |
| 00:16.36 | _oc | cthulfuego: all I see is that waay too much time have been spent on such a trivial question that isn't even a Debian issue... |
| 00:16.39 | _oc | :o) |
| 00:16.46 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:16.47 | cthulfuego | !cluebat _oc |
| 00:17.13 | _oc | imho |
| 00:17.17 | _oc | !cluebat cthulfuego |
| 00:17.20 | _oc | :) |
| 00:17.21 | kodek | haha |
| 00:17.25 | simonrvn | w00t |
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| 00:18.05 | kodek | cthulfuego: so do you think that a new bios image could fix ALL those problems? |
| 00:18.22 | _oc | kodek: why don't you just test it :o) |
| 00:18.24 | simonrvn | wouldn't hurt, at least |
| 00:18.35 | cthulfuego | kodek: It's certainly worth a try. |
| 00:18.35 | shingouz | ariel_1231: the only thing i am going to say about those sensors is that if you happen to have a thinkpad 600 don't use them |
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| 00:18.40 | kodek | _oc: because i do not have any floppies, and office depot isnt next to my house |
| 00:18.48 | cthulfuego | kodek: I'm just uploading the unpacked file to my server. |
| 00:18.49 | simonrvn | ugh, office depot |
| 00:18.57 | jerome | just wondering ... what does apt-listbugs uses to check bug reports ? I have this strange timeout when using it after setting some iptables rules (I can use http, ftp, and some more btw) |
| 00:19.04 | _oc | kodek: get your ass off your chair and go floppy huntin'! ;) |
| 00:19.06 | kodek | simonrvn: fry's is even farther away, newegg would take too long :) |
| 00:19.11 | shingouz | simonrvn: compared what we have here office depot is heaven |
| 00:19.17 | kodek | _oc: i threw them all away a couple of months ago :/ |
| 00:19.32 | simonrvn | threw away floppies? |
| 00:19.43 | shingouz | kodek: stuuuupiiiidddd :) |
| 00:19.46 | kodek | simonrvn: yes, because half of them were bad anyway. |
| 00:19.49 | simonrvn | i only toss them when i can't get anything onto them to stick |
| 00:19.51 | cthulfuego | kodek: http://ftp.cc.com.au//pub/users/cafuego/stuff |
| 00:20.01 | kodek | cthulfuego: thank you |
| 00:20.09 | cthulfuego | kodek: There's a 'bios_k8nsu939_f6' dir |
| 00:20.16 | _oc | kodek: yeah.. same here the other day.. I even spent two hours hunting for a floppy in the neighbour offices before I went to the next door store ;) efficient planning :] |
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| 00:20.31 | cthulfuego | kodek: And *also* a win98.img.bz2 bloot floppy image. |
| 00:20.33 | kodek | _oc: hah |
| 00:20.34 | ariel_1231 | hi guys, is there anyone able to help me setting up lm-sensors, I got this message when i type sensors: No sensors found! |
| 00:20.42 | kodek | cthulfuego: thank you very much. |
| 00:20.47 | cthulfuego | kodek: No worries. |
| 00:20.53 | simonrvn | ariel_1231: read what was told you. and at least reply to it |
| 00:20.56 | kodek | is it possible to flash from a cd drive? prob not |
| 00:20.57 | shingouz | !tell ariel_1231 about repeat |
| 00:21.22 | simonrvn | like "no not a foo", or "hmm" or something... |
| 00:21.28 | shingouz | kodek: it should be possible, depends on how the flasher is done |
| 00:21.32 | simonrvn | just polite |
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| 00:22.01 | cthulfuego | kodek: Yes, provided you make the machine thing the boot image on the cd is drive a: |
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| 00:22.19 | cthulfuego | kodek: Mind you, you cannot save a backup of the old bios image that way. |
| 00:22.20 | ariel_1231 | ok, right, I won't repeat any question |
| 00:22.28 | AristoMagnus | No psyBNC package is available on the 3.1 r0 debian? |
| 00:22.35 | kodek | cthulfuego: then there's no way. i dont know if it's easier to just send the mobo back and stop worrying about it. |
| 00:22.44 | monsoon-other | shingouz, ok installed fine with modules-assistant, when I tried to load ndiswrapper I got: ndiswrapper: version magic '2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.11-amd64-k8 gcc-3.4' and error inserting... invalid format... |
| 00:22.47 | monsoon-other | any ideas? |
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| 00:23.20 | shingouz | monsoon-other: i have to pass that one, i haven't had to use ndiswrapper on anything so far (and i try to keep it that way) |
| 00:23.41 | monsoon-other | cthulfuego, any ideas for me? |
| 00:23.44 | monsoon-other | ok thx shiner840 |
| 00:23.46 | monsoon-other | damn |
| 00:23.49 | monsoon-other | I mean thx shingouz |
| 00:23.50 | shingouz | hhehehe |
| 00:24.01 | AristoMagnus | anyone here tried to install psybnc |
| 00:24.02 | kodek | ok, im gonna get my ass up, and do something about this. probably pack the mobo and send it back to newegg :) |
| 00:24.10 | shingouz | !anyone |
| 00:24.10 | dpkg | well, anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 00:24.13 | kodek | thank you everyone |
| 00:24.21 | K_Dallas | Hi again folks :) This is something that is really bugging me and i have done all that i knew of but still no good. My problem is browsing those webpages which are not in european/latin languages. BBC for instance, i can read their pages but it is terrible specially with vertain characters. it is in unicode and under Xandros i have no problem at all. |
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| 00:24.31 | kodek | especially you, cthulfuego :) |
| 00:24.35 | grendal_prime | damn |
| 00:24.35 | AristoMagnus | someone |
| 00:24.35 | Stereo | hi folks. I applied a patch from the -mm tree that adds support for my raid card. The kernel boots fine, but I can't see any extra ide devices. What am I doing wrong? |
| 00:24.38 | kodek | ill be back later |
| 00:24.39 | paster | "Stereo" at 212.76.255.91 pasted "RAID patch I can't get to work" (83 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/197 |
| 00:24.46 | _oc | GRUB is being mean to me.. I cannot manually edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, and change "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686-smp root=/dev/sdb1 ro" to /dev/sda, and make it stick (write it to the mbr). It boots nicely when I manually edit it on every boot... I have tried grub-install /dev/sda (error: /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.) and `update-grub`. What more is there to do? :X Can't find anything in the damned manual. |
| 00:24.47 | Stereo | ^-- this is the patch |
| 00:24.50 | K_Dallas | would anyone please let me know how to solve the problem either by copying some config from Xandros or ...? thanks |
| 00:24.53 | AristoMagnus | someone know a debian source lists webpage |
| 00:25.05 | cthulfuego | AristoMagnus: 'sudo apt-setup' |
| 00:25.11 | shingouz | AristoMagnus: how about telling us what the problem is instead of trying to sound like a bad teacher straight off Ferris Buellers Day Off |
| 00:25.12 | K_Dallas | (the webpage in question would ne www.bbc.co.uk/persian) |
| 00:25.22 | Stereo | I'm patching against 2.6.11.11, the patch patches very cleanly etc. |
| 00:25.32 | AristoMagnus | shingouz, LO |
| 00:25.33 | AristoMagnus | LOL |
| 00:25.35 | AristoMagnus | ok, |
| 00:25.38 | shingouz | !lol |
| 00:25.39 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
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| 00:25.49 | monsoon-other | cthulfuego, ndiswrapper installed fine with modules-assistant, when I tried to load ndiswrapper I got: ndiswrapper: version magic '2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.11-amd64-k8 gcc-3.4' and error inserting... invalid format... |
| 00:25.56 | fas3r | est pour compiler un 2.4 c bien make && make modules_install nan? |
| 00:25.56 | monsoon-other | any thoughts? |
| 00:25.58 | monsoon-other | ideas |
| 00:26.03 | AristoMagnus | ill tried to make menuconfig for psybnc. and he tell me that i dont have openssl and ncurses install.. and its not true |
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| 00:26.34 | shingouz | AristoMagnus: you sure there is no psybnc already on debian as a binary? |
| 00:26.38 | Guerin | AristoMagnus: install dev libs |
| 00:26.47 | _oc | Another issue is the USB SCSI emulated CD-drive.. Whenever I change the CD-drive to another blade, the server will freeze / kernel will crash.. Any suggestions on how to make this behaviour disappear (aka make the USB-SCSI-emulated-IDE-drive hotpluggable) |
| 00:26.52 | AristoMagnus | shingouz, try to search it.. |
| 00:26.58 | shingouz | trying |
| 00:26.58 | kelan | is there a way to change the character irssi puts after a a tab-completed nick? like from colon to comma? |
| 00:26.59 | AristoMagnus | Guerin, ok |
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| 00:27.18 | Guerin | kelan: yes. |
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| 00:27.45 | caphuso | kelan: /set completion_char |
| 00:27.58 | kelan | thanks:) |
| 00:28.00 | monsoon-other | shingouz, do you know how I can remove the module-assistant installed module? so I can rebuild it from scratch? |
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| 00:28.05 | AristoMagnus | Guerin, what is the name of the package |
| 00:28.17 | fas3r | for conpiling a kernel 2.4 then i have make "make menuconfig", after it's make && make modules_install,no?? |
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| 00:28.45 | shingouz | monsoon-other: another thing i haven't tried yet... when it comes to kernels i like to use make-kpkg but on vanilla sources |
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| 00:28.55 | _oc | fas3r: do it the debian way.. make-kpkg --revision myrev1 --initrd kernel_image |
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| 00:29.14 | shingouz | AristoMagnus: something for nessus? |
| 00:29.20 | caphuso | i haven't had to clean up my ~ in years |
| 00:29.25 | fas3r | _oc, what? |
| 00:29.31 | _oc | fas3r: then cd .. && dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.*whatever*_myrev1.deb |
| 00:29.34 | AristoMagnus | shingouz, nessus? |
| 00:29.56 | fas3r | just make-kpkg --revision myrev1 --initrd kernel_image |
| 00:29.59 | fas3r | and |
| 00:30.00 | shingouz | fas3r: unless you need to have initrd there, don't use it, it is too much of a pain in the ass imho |
| 00:30.18 | _oc | fas3r: i think it is well documented in the Debian manual! |
| 00:30.29 | monsoon-other | cthulfuego, I could really use your assistance... Im on a time deadline |
| 00:30.31 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 00:30.32 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 00:30.36 | nse | hey come'on guys, let's take the CAPS LOCK out of the topic, it's so forcing.. |
| 00:30.49 | shingouz | !find psybnc |
| 00:30.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'psybnc' (2): (/usr/share/perl5/Pisg/Parser/Format/psybnc.pm) in net/pisg ;; (/var/lib/nessus/plugins/psybnc_check.nasl) in admin/nessus-plugins. |
| 00:31.06 | monsoon-other | abrotman, how about uninstalling an installed module via module-assistant |
| 00:31.14 | _oc | !find grub |
| 00:31.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'grub' (8): ggz-grubby ;; grub ;; grub-disk ;; grub-doc ;; grub-splashimages ;; grub2 ;; grubconf ;; webmin-grub. |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | monsoon-other: modconf |
| 00:31.29 | _oc | !grub mantra |
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| 00:31.45 | _oc | !tell _oc about grub |
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| 00:31.54 | shingouz | fas3r: if you want the kernel to boot without initrd, make sure everything the kernel needs to access the root filesystem is static. ide, filesystem driver... whatever you have there |
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| 00:32.09 | abrotman | shingouz: any of the morons from the last few days been around ? |
| 00:32.24 | K_Dallas | !moron |
| 00:32.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, moron is someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg" |
| 00:32.24 | monsoon-other | uggh this is sucking |
| 00:32.24 | shingouz | abrotman: which one(s) :) |
| 00:32.35 | abrotman | shingouz: erm .. any? :) |
| 00:32.42 | shingouz | monsoon-other: that is the ndiswrapper way :( |
| 00:33.10 | monsoon-other | shingouz, well... its usually pretty easy actually |
| 00:33.12 | NewpZ | !shit |
| 00:33.12 | dpkg | i guess shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
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| 00:33.29 | shingouz | abrotman: you refer to this one? |
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| 00:33.33 | shingouz | !seen xinux |
| 00:33.33 | dpkg | xinux <~Xinux@71.8.221.172> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23h 47m 1s ago, saying: 'shingouz: I wasn't even giving him advice, I was just talking to him.'. |
| 00:33.41 | shingouz | ^^^ abrotman |
| 00:33.44 | shingouz | :) |
| 00:33.50 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:34.10 | abrotman | !seen rickdangerous |
| 00:34.10 | dpkg | rickdangerous <~semaphor@85.99.65.106> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11h 54m 28s ago, saying: 'Daurnimator, use torent'. |
| 00:34.30 | pueblo | !shit |
| 00:34.30 | dpkg | hmm... shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 00:34.34 | pueblo | !fuck |
| 00:34.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fuck is a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 00:34.38 | greycat | pueblo: /msg the bot. |
| 00:34.41 | Guerin | AristoMagnus: i presume license problems are the reason psybnc isn't in debian - http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/06/msg00300.html |
| 00:34.43 | shingouz | abrotman: i already forgot even his nick, i was thinking something along the lines of JoeBlow |
| 00:34.51 | AristoMagnus | Guerin, ok |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | greycat: how's court going ? |
| 00:35.00 | greycat | abrotman: I've been released from duty. |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | greycat: you liberal scum! |
| 00:35.12 | shingouz | you larted someone? |
| 00:35.19 | monsoon-other | abrotman, I can see how to get modconf to install but how do I make it uninstall? |
| 00:35.19 | greycat | shingouz: no no... potential juror. |
| 00:35.30 | Guerin | AristoMagnus: apt-cache search libncurses5 openssl |grep dev |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | monsoon-other: same way ... |
| 00:35.39 | Ugly_Duck | ok, server crashed, its got a tekram scsi card in it.. my resuce disk dont work.... can i build another rescue disk to get back into the machine? |
| 00:35.45 | shingouz | greycat: i know, i jus tfigured you got released from jury duty because you larted someone there |
| 00:35.47 | abrotman | greycat: you glad you got out of it ? |
| 00:35.51 | _oc | argh.. what is this DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS crap that destroys my changes to /boot/grub/menu.lst.. where do I override those settings? |
| 00:36.03 | Guerin | _oc: read the fucking menu.lst |
| 00:36.03 | monsoon-other | abrotman, but it asks meif I want to install ndiswrapper not uninstall |
| 00:36.10 | AristoMagnus | Guerin, 0 result |
| 00:36.11 | _oc | Guerin: I DID |
| 00:36.12 | Guerin | _oc: the instructions are RIGHT THERE |
| 00:36.16 | greycat | abrotman: yes. first and most importantly because I'd hate to have to judge that case (triple aggravated murder). second, because I'm going on vacation Friday. |
| 00:36.16 | shingouz | _oc: not a lot to shout about |
| 00:36.16 | abrotman | monsoon-other: then it's not installed |
| 00:36.19 | bztunk | _oc: afaik, you don't write stuff between the DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC sections. |
| 00:36.25 | monsoon-other | abrotman, its installed, just not modprobed... |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | monsoon-other: or rather .. not setup to run at boot |
| 00:36.39 | monsoon-other | im talking about uninstallind, not rmmoding it |
| 00:36.47 | _oc | bztunk: i did change the "kopt" section too.. |
| 00:36.48 | Guerin | AristoMagnus: libncurses5-dev, dunno the other one - maybe openssl-dev |
| 00:36.55 | AristoMagnus | Guerin, ok |
| 00:37.20 | abrotman | monsoon-other: delete it .. depmod -a ? .. never wanted to remove a module |
| 00:37.25 | AristoMagnus | Guerin, thx |
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| 00:37.32 | Guerin | _oc: then you must have seen the bit which said # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST |
| 00:38.02 | _oc | Guerin: I did, and did what was noted there.. |
| 00:38.18 | Guerin | _oc: clearly not, since if you had it'd have worked. |
| 00:38.20 | _oc | Guerin: update-grub still changes it |
| 00:38.36 | abrotman | and it works for me .. all the time |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | well |
| 00:38.44 | AristoMagnus | Guerin, thanks dude, the problem what libncurses5-dev not install :) |
| 00:38.45 | _oc | Guerin: All I want to know is which file update-grub reads to do that atomagic trolling |
| 00:38.45 | abrotman | everytime they update the kernel |
| 00:38.54 | _oc | :) |
| 00:39.15 | abrotman | _oc: it has yet to remove my winxp stuff .. so you're doing sometihng wrong |
| 00:39.17 | Guerin | orafu: it reads /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:39.26 | Guerin | _oc: ^^^ |
| 00:39.36 | Eclipser | what program should I use to add files to an iso image? |
| 00:39.46 | shingouz | Eclipser: you dont do that |
| 00:39.51 | abrotman | Eclipser: you mount it over loopback .. then add the files :) |
| 00:39.51 | Eclipser | and why not |
| 00:40.01 | _oc | Guerin: weird.. my line says "# kopt=root=/dev/sda1 ro", yet it still changes it to /dev/sdb1 |
| 00:40.03 | abrotman | Eclipser: or extract the ISO .. then mkisofs |
| 00:40.03 | FieldySnuts | Eclipser: mount it (-o loop to mount), copy it somewhere, make the changes, make another iso |
| 00:40.08 | shingouz | Eclipser: because the iso9660 is not equipped for that |
| 00:40.10 | FieldySnuts | Eclipser: because ISO9660 is a read only filesystem |
| 00:40.27 | abrotman | oh come on .. i split them in two :) |
| 00:40.36 | _oc | Guerin: it clearly says "do not uncomment.., so I haven't.." :\ |
| 00:41.09 | sparr_ | ive got a cd with some scratches. cp off the disc exits on Input/Output error. i dont care about the errors, i wanna get whatever data off i can, how can i ignore the errors? |
| 00:41.30 | ariel_1231 | anyone can tell me how can i enable sensors In order to make this massage "No Sensors Found |
| 00:41.38 | ariel_1231 | go away |
| 00:41.43 | _oc | ahw well, I'll install Lilo, atleast I know how that works, and I can use XFS in the future :Z |
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| 00:42.35 | monsoon-other | can anyone tell me how to replace gcc-3.3 with gcc-3.4 ? |
| 00:42.36 | nanok | sparr_: dd with some options should help, man and trial an error are your friends.. ;) |
| 00:42.39 | _oc | Does ext3 provide any POSIX ACL's ? |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | if you patch it .. IIRC |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | !acl |
| 00:42.53 | dpkg | somebody said acl was Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html |
| 00:43.06 | abrotman | _oc: have you ever used linux ? |
| 00:43.08 | _oc | abrotman: can i do a post-patch? |
| 00:43.16 | abrotman | post-patch to what ? |
| 00:43.18 | abrotman | a binary ? |
| 00:43.21 | sparr_ | id rather not mess with dd |
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| 00:43.41 | _oc | abrotman: do a post upgrade and rewrite the inode structures. |
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| 00:43.52 | abrotman | _oc: no idea .. don't use them |
| 00:43.54 | _oc | abrotman: and no, I've never used linux before |
| 00:44.02 | abrotman | apt-cache search acl |
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| 00:44.43 | timt | Hi guys, Just purchased a laptop, just wondering if you have any ideas on whether to go with sarge or woody?? for compatibility and auto detection ?? |
| 00:44.45 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: care to DIE? |
| 00:44.54 | Guerin | monsoon-other: if you can't do that on your own, you have no reason to do it at all. |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: not today mr. bond |
| 00:45.02 | TwistedEmotions | ;) hahahha |
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| 00:45.08 | abrotman | timt: sarge |
| 00:45.14 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: was my way of saying hi ;) |
| 00:45.14 | Guerin | timt: sarge. |
| 00:45.17 | greycat | timt: sarge. |
| 00:45.18 | monsoon-other | Guerin, as a matter of fact I do... ndiswrapper will not install because it needs it... |
| 00:45.20 | _oc | abrotman: timt: Ubuntu linux |
| 00:45.27 | timt | thanks guys :) |
| 00:45.29 | _oc | -abrotman |
| 00:45.31 | Guerin | monsoon-other: sucks to be you. |
| 00:45.39 | FieldySnuts | use. real. hardware. |
| 00:45.40 | webuadata | does anyoen know how to install AIM on linux? |
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| 00:45.45 | shingouz | _oc: shut up there :) |
| 00:45.46 | greycat | webuadata: try gaim |
| 00:45.48 | monsoon-other | no it doesnt actually I installed it Guerin ... no thanks to you' |
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| 00:45.53 | pueblo | webuadata: apt-get install gaim |
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| 00:45.54 | Ugly_Duck | is there any way to build a image to boot my server up ? |
| 00:45.55 | webuadata | how do i access gaim |
| 00:45.56 | binarydigit | webuadata use apt-get |
| 00:45.59 | webuadata | k |
| 00:46.01 | abrotman | _oc: you're using ubuntu ? |
| 00:46.10 | greycat | 20:43 _oc> abrotman: and no, I've never used linux before |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:46.17 | _oc | shingouz: no need to hide it. Ubuntu is way better than Debian on desktops and laptops :p |
| 00:46.19 | timt | one more question, whats the latest version for sarge?? |
| 00:46.19 | pueblo | webuadata: if its not in your desktop's menu then type gaim & in a console |
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| 00:46.24 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: probably |
| 00:46.27 | _oc | greycat: that was sarcastic |
| 00:46.28 | greycat | _oc: stop trolling. |
| 00:46.28 | abrotman | !d-i timt |
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| 00:46.29 | dpkg | timt, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:46.33 | pueblo | yea except u cant easily use kde w/ ubuntu |
| 00:46.35 | Guerin | orafu: please refrain from proselytising other distros in #debian, svp |
| 00:46.37 | FieldySnuts | what's with all the ubuntu shit today? #ubuntu must be especially useless today |
| 00:46.40 | Guerin | fuck |
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| 00:46.41 | abrotman | timt: you don't read /topic ? |
| 00:46.45 | Guerin | oc: please refrain from proselytising other distros in #debian, svp |
| 00:46.52 | MrBallZ | is this a support chan ? |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | for what ? |
| 00:47.00 | abrotman | for debian yes .. |
| 00:47.00 | MrBallZ | i have some probs .. |
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| 00:47.03 | abrotman | for ubuntu .. no |
| 00:47.04 | shingouz | !ask |
| 00:47.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 00:47.26 | _oc | isn't ubuntu based on Debian, and pretty much just Debian with some nice automatic installers which Debian should have shipped with? :) |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
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| 00:47.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 00:47.34 | shingouz | !based on debian |
| 00:47.35 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 00:47.38 | FieldySnuts | jesus fucking christ am I sick of that agrument, fucking +q him already :( |
| 00:47.39 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@en.ifi.uio.no] by greycat |
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| 00:47.45 | abrotman | _oc: and it's the same fucking installer |
| 00:47.46 | webuadata | can you install aim like that aswell? |
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| 00:47.47 | FieldySnuts | greycat: thank you! |
| 00:47.48 | shingouz | thanks greycat |
| 00:47.54 | MrBallZ | well ,first , i just installed sarge, downloaded dvd isos, but i prefer kde over gnome, and well , i want to boot to command line, instead of gdm/kdm ... how to change that , i already changed runlevel in inittab from 2 to 3 and nothing ... |
| 00:47.59 | webuadata | also i wanna isntall limewire does anyone know how to do that? |
| 00:48.10 | abrotman | MrBallZ: don't change that number |
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| 00:48.13 | abrotman | MrBallZ: /msg dpkg no dm |
| 00:48.18 | K_Dallas | why OPs here do not ban trollers? isnt it really tiresome to see such Q&A every other hour? |
| 00:48.20 | shingouz | !tell MrBallZ about nodm |
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| 00:48.28 | webuadata | Anyone know how to install limewire |
| 00:48.31 | greycat | K_Dallas: we do. but they are Legion. |
| 00:48.34 | FieldySnuts | webuadata: we saw you the first time |
| 00:48.38 | K_Dallas | :):) |
| 00:48.42 | shingouz | K_Dallas: they spawn too fast |
| 00:48.48 | FieldySnuts | re-spawn in some cases |
| 00:48.48 | Guerin | webuadata: if you've a brain, you won't. |
| 00:48.48 | webuadata | Hm? |
| 00:48.56 | greycat | !find limewire sid |
| 00:48.56 | K_Dallas | that is sad, really bothersome |
| 00:48.58 | shingouz | webuadata: try to use apt-cache search |
| 00:49.02 | webuadata | Is their a program you suggest Guerin? |
| 00:49.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'limewire' returned no results. |
| 00:49.09 | webuadata | I wanna download music |
| 00:49.15 | shingouz | then do so |
| 00:49.16 | FieldySnuts | well think of it from an ops perspective. they'd have to get opped and +q / +b at least every two minutes here, 24 hours a day |
| 00:49.20 | FieldySnuts | every 9 seconds on Sundays. |
| 00:49.23 | greycat | ok, so install java </msg dpkg java> and then install limewire from wherever google says it lives. |
| 00:49.27 | pueblo | webuadata: try gtk-gnutella |
| 00:49.28 | rx-deb | hmm... kdm behave so weirdly...why doesnt it affect my system font? if i bypess it everything is fine...but if i use it, it will most likely renders my fonts smaller than they are really :| |
| 00:49.30 | MrBallZ | ok, just read pm ... so , no boot to command line for the moment ??? , only to dm ??? |
| 00:49.31 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: translation: I wanna be a warez kid |
| 00:49.32 | Guerin | webuadata: I suggest a ftp client and archive.org; or a bittorrent client and a web browser. |
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| 00:49.38 | K_Dallas | FieldySnuts, i underatand |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | MrBallZ: is that what it says ? |
| 00:49.58 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: i know :) |
| 00:50.12 | FieldySnuts | yikes. 1.5" of rain in 30 minutes near here, though not a drop where i'm at.. nasty concentrated storms |
| 00:50.18 | abrotman | MrBallZ: and change that number back |
| 00:50.25 | MrBallZ | abrotman: until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you should move :) |
| 00:50.35 | FieldySnuts | working on it |
| 00:50.38 | abrotman | MrBallZ: huh ? |
| 00:50.38 | herbi | hello |
| 00:50.43 | K_Dallas | i kind of liked ubuntu and their support system is good too but i dont remember how i got back to debian and i am pretty darn happy about it ;) |
| 00:50.49 | shingouz | MrBallZ: if you fuck with the runlevels you are bound to break your system |
| 00:50.54 | osama | hi, i installed the kenel source tree by apt-get install kernel-tree 2.6.8, but when i type uname -a, it tells me i have a 2.4.27 version |
| 00:50.56 | MrBallZ | :S |
| 00:51.05 | FieldySnuts | osama: did you reboot? are you still i your cave hideout? |
| 00:51.07 | MrBallZ | ok, ill changeit back to 3 ... it was 3 right ? |
| 00:51.11 | abrotman | no .. 2 |
| 00:51.15 | greycat | osama: did you COMPILE it? |
| 00:51.15 | abrotman | !inittab |
| 00:51.16 | dpkg | inittab is, like, the file where you configure the "init" program. there you setup the basic startup routines. dont play with it if you dont know what you do or you will have a happy floppy rescue party! |
| 00:51.19 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:51.19 | osama | i did reboot but didn't work |
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| 00:51.22 | greycat | osama: what is your goal? |
| 00:51.29 | FieldySnuts | "still in" |
| 00:51.36 | osama | how do i compile it |
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| 00:51.49 | greycat | osama: you DON'T. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-386 |
| 00:52.00 | resiak | MrBallZ: No. Look, why not just remove the dm if you don't want it/ |
| 00:52.03 | MrBallZ | ok, ill change it back to numer 2 |
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| 00:52.09 | Guerin | s/.8// |
| 00:52.17 | greycat | Guerin: ah, good. |
| 00:52.27 | greycat | osama: you DON'T. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 00:52.43 | MrBallZ | ok , another thing , is that it seems weird, that even when i made kdm the default dm , it wont start if i do kdm start, but gdm will !!! :S |
| 00:52.58 | Guerin | MrBallZ: apt-get remove --purge gdm |
| 00:52.59 | resiak | MrBallZ: Well, you obviously _didn't_ make kdm the dm. |
| 00:53.02 | abrotman | MrBallZ: unintall them both |
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| 00:53.18 | MrBallZ | i did dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 00:53.25 | shingouz | MrBallZ: just remove the display managers and dont fuxx0r with the runlevels |
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| 00:53.59 | caphuso | or just delete "/etc/rc3.d/*xdm", if you want to have a runlevel without X |
| 00:54.04 | abrotman | rc2.d ? |
| 00:54.06 | shingouz | wellwelllwelll... i get b33red when i lart someone! |
| 00:54.06 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 00:54.08 | caphuso | seriously, this not brain surgery |
| 00:54.10 | abrotman | !lart me |
| 00:54.26 | shingouz | abrotman: did that help? |
| 00:54.29 | MrBallZ | ok |
| 00:54.31 | abrotman | caphuso: new shoes ? |
| 00:54.35 | abrotman | shingouz: no .. |
| 00:54.52 | MrBallZ | so, it will be better to uninstall gdm , and then kdm will definetly be the default dm right ... ? |
| 00:55.15 | shingouz | unless you installed more of them |
| 00:55.22 | MrBallZ | nope |
| 00:55.22 | caphuso | abrotman: not lately |
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| 00:55.49 | MrBallZ | fresh install ... wich brings me to my other question, is there a way to install kde as default WindowManager during install ??? |
| 00:56.04 | MrBallZ | i did a Workstation install , and didn't opted to install packages ... |
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| 00:56.15 | caphuso | i got a new pair in i think summer 2003, or maybe 2002. i'm not too clear on it |
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| 00:56.33 | Guerin | MrBallZ: apt-get install x-window-system-core kde |
| 00:56.35 | abrotman | caphuso: think .. HARDER! |
| 00:56.44 | Guerin | oh, workstation install |
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| 00:57.11 | MrBallZ | Guerin: i mean , when i do a fresh install from dvd's |
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| 00:57.18 | Thanatermesis | www.es.debian.org <--- not works in spanish ? |
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| 00:57.37 | Guerin | MrBallZ: why would you do a fresh install? |
| 00:57.38 | caphuso | Thanatermesis: tell your browser to request spanish |
| 00:57.40 | MrBallZ | or , is there a option to select wich window manager i want for default ... |
| 00:57.47 | MrBallZ | Guerin: other computer ... |
| 00:57.57 | greycat | MrBallZ: /msg dpkg wm |
| 00:57.59 | Guerin | MrBallZ: just install one -> sorted |
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| 00:58.14 | sun_ | hi i have security for testing in sources.list, so now i guess this doesnt work, should i remove it from sources.list? |
| 00:58.14 | Thanatermesis | no caphuso ... the spanish mode of the page of debian.org not works... |
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| 00:58.23 | greycat | sun_: change it to stable |
| 00:58.29 | shingouz | !etch security |
| 00:58.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch security is that there is no such thing as of yet. comment out the line in your sources.list |
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| 00:59.10 | caphuso | Thanatermesis: Debian es un sistema operativo (SO) libre, para su computadora. El |
| 00:59.22 | caphuso | Thanatermesis: looks like spanish to me |
| 00:59.43 | meppl | gute nacht - good night |
| 00:59.53 | MrBallZ | btw , Sarge is running pretty well on a Celeron 900Mhz with 128MB ram ... congrats to the developers _) |
| 00:59.57 | abrotman | caphuso: espanol .. not spanish .. jeez |
| 01:00.01 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
| 01:00.02 | MrBallZ | capusho: that is spanish |
| 01:00.03 | TwistedEmotions | Are there any free multiplayer games for linux? |
| 01:00.10 | kobs | bzflag |
| 01:00.13 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: happypenguin.org |
| 01:00.22 | kobs | Wolfenstien: Enemy Territory |
| 01:00.22 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: apt-cache search multiplayer |
| 01:00.24 | vox | is it just me, or is gnome broken in sid? |
| 01:00.36 | nbr | what are the conditions of posix compliance? |
| 01:00.49 | abrotman | vox: last i heard .. broken .. gnome2.10 half in |
| 01:00.49 | shingouz | vox: just you, why did you install sid in the first place if you have to ask |
| 01:01.07 | nbr | i tried /msg dpkg posix , but it wasn't very detailed. |
| 01:01.09 | Thanatermesis | is strange.. in my browser doesn't appears in spanish (selecting with the left-up corner) |
| 01:01.13 | nbr | i guess i could google. |
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| 01:01.19 | MrBallZ | any good tutorial on how to master apt-get and dpkg ??? |
| 01:01.22 | caphuso | nbr: what exactly are you asking for? |
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| 01:01.31 | shingouz | MrBallZ: how about the man pages |
| 01:01.33 | Guerin | !pkgmgmt |
| 01:01.33 | dpkg | i guess pkgmgmt is Debian Package Management - Most Important Commands: http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or 'man apt-get'; 'man apt-cache', or apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref, or ask me about apt howto |
| 01:01.52 | vox | shingouz: guess it isnt just me |
| 01:01.58 | nbr | i'd like to strip my distribution down, but i'm told that if you remove the mailserver and webserver capabilities you are no longer talking about linux (not posix compliant) |
| 01:02.13 | osama | kernel-tree is where u need to build ur kernel before it works but a kernel image is precompiled, am i right? |
| 01:02.14 | shingouz | MrBallZ: go bang your head against a wall :p |
| 01:02.22 | MrBallZ | hahaha |
| 01:02.23 | MrBallZ | ok |
| 01:02.24 | MrBallZ | brb |
| 01:02.24 | exobyte | How can I get a mac address from some IP address? |
| 01:02.27 | MrBallZ | ... |
| 01:02.33 | MrBallZ | rarp it :P |
| 01:02.44 | shingouz | osama: if you know that much about compiling kernels be smart and grab a debian kernel |
| 01:02.45 | greycat | nbr: you're on crack. |
| 01:03.06 | greycat | !tell osama about debian kernel image |
| 01:03.08 | timo_ | when is debian going to be released with x.org? |
| 01:03.15 | timo_ | using etch |
| 01:03.16 | greycat | timo_: *released*? /msg dpkg etch pool |
| 01:03.21 | exobyte | MrBallZ: this is bs- damn knoppix has rarp, but the kernel doesn't support it |
| 01:03.22 | cthulfuego | timo_: 2008 or 2009 |
| 01:03.34 | bucky | timo_, when etch goes stable in three years |
| 01:03.43 | nbr | greycat, hahah. i don't know. i was talking about stuff i thought i 'didn't need' and someone preached about me not knowing what i need and that i didn't know what posix compliance was, but the stuff i didn't want was important for it. |
| 01:03.43 | timo_ | uhm |
| 01:03.53 | nbr | greycat, that was funny though. |
| 01:03.57 | shingouz | !lart MrBallZ |
| 01:04.06 | cthulfuego | If that's not what you meant, you should say what you mean. |
| 01:04.18 | [Granger] | !insult MrBallZ |
| 01:04.20 | dpkg | MrBallZ is nothing but a pickled bucket of fool-born pods |
| 01:04.20 | timo_ | thinking about kubuntu |
| 01:04.24 | MrBallZ | dpgk , should change it to Governator style ... |
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| 01:04.33 | shingouz | timo_: what the hell is the hurry, sarge just came out and you are complaining about etch already? geez... |
| 01:04.38 | [Granger] | timo_: debian will migrate to XOrg soon enough |
| 01:04.43 | cthulfuego | timo_: Etch will get xorg (but not be released) in june at soem stage, i would guess. |
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| 01:04.44 | [Granger] | give it two weeks |
| 01:04.46 | nbr | greycat, i'd like to improve the performance of this crappy laptop, plus save disk space (i only have a 2gb hdd) |
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| 01:05.05 | [Granger] | nbr: so run a minimal desktop install |
| 01:05.06 | MrBallZ | nbr: try Damn small linux ... |
| 01:05.10 | [Granger] | with fluxbox |
| 01:05.13 | cthulfuego | nbr: Check 'localepurge' |
| 01:05.14 | greycat | nbr: then why the fuck did you *install* a web server to begin with? |
| 01:05.16 | MrBallZ | yes fluxbox |
| 01:05.19 | nbr | i'm using fluxbox, with sarge. |
| 01:05.23 | greycat | nbr: a default debian install has no servers running |
| 01:05.25 | [Granger] | base + x + fluxbox + firefox |
| 01:05.26 | nbr | i didn't install one, i don't think. |
| 01:05.28 | timo_ | well..ok |
| 01:05.29 | [Granger] | along with openoffice |
| 01:05.30 | nbr | oh no? ok. |
| 01:05.37 | [Granger] | default debian gives you base |
| 01:05.41 | [Granger] | which doesn't even include X |
| 01:06.01 | [Granger] | nor emacs for that matter |
| 01:06.01 | nbr | well, why are there so many processes running when you do 'top' |
| 01:06.01 | [Granger] | which fits on a 200mb hd |
| 01:06.01 | greycat | nbr: because you did more than a default install |
| 01:06.01 | cthulfuego | [Granger]: base+emacs doesn't fit in 2GB though |
| 01:06.02 | timo_ | slackware would be my choice |
| 01:06.05 | Guerin | nbr: because that's how life is. |
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| 01:06.09 | sun_ | hi how do you know what things the "dpkg" user knows about on this forum |
| 01:06.11 | nbr | i have the base, i've also installed X and fluxbox |
| 01:06.19 | [Granger] | cthulfuego: depends on how many bells you hang on the emacs tree |
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| 01:06.25 | nbr | are there any faster window managers than fluxbox? |
| 01:06.32 | sun_ | nbr try ion |
| 01:06.32 | cthulfuego | [Granger]: Just the editor and the villa in france... |
| 01:06.34 | greycat | sun_: it knows literally tens of thousands of "factoids", many of them silly. |
| 01:06.34 | FieldySnuts | twm? |
| 01:06.37 | Guerin | nbr: ion3 |
| 01:06.37 | exobyte | nbr: yes |
| 01:06.40 | cthulfuego | nbr: 9wm |
| 01:06.45 | exobyte | nbr: the one that comes with x |
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| 01:06.55 | cthulfuego | nbr: You don't want to use 9wm, though. |
| 01:06.55 | FieldySnuts | @start a wm war |
| 01:06.55 | ravenbird | fvwm95 makes me vomit! |
| 01:07.02 | K_Dallas | sun_, dpkg is a bot and people who use it either are hidden OPs or someone like me who has watched people here using it ;) |
| 01:07.14 | FieldySnuts | um. ok |
| 01:07.17 | nbr | i don't really want to use ion either. i read about it. seems confusing. |
| 01:07.21 | [Granger] | dpkg is one of the highlights of this channel |
| 01:07.25 | greycat | nbr: try them all. |
| 01:07.32 | greycat | !fuck [Granger] |
| 01:07.32 | [Granger] | nbr: bottom line, don't freaking install KDE if you have a 2gb hd |
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| 01:07.39 | nbr | of course not. |
| 01:07.41 | K_Dallas | nbr, ion is like having no desktop at all, only applications running |
| 01:07.44 | [Granger] | !kill greycat |
| 01:07.51 | sun_ | guerin ion3 is the "development" branch, does it work well, im still using ion2 |
| 01:07.55 | nanok | nbr: what laptop? |
| 01:07.55 | exobyte | Is there a way I can "ping" a mac address? |
| 01:08.03 | FieldySnuts | arping |
| 01:08.04 | nanok | nbr: like: cpu/ram? |
| 01:08.07 | K_Dallas | sun_, i had no problem with ion3 |
| 01:08.09 | FieldySnuts | obviously not a true icmp ping |
| 01:08.11 | shingouz | !tell nbr about laptop |
| 01:08.14 | nbr | it's a thinkpad 310ed, p166 and 32mb ram |
| 01:08.24 | sun_ | whats better about ion3 vs ion2? |
| 01:08.24 | nanok | aham.. |
| 01:08.26 | exobyte | FieldySnuts: not on (wrong channel) knoppix |
| 01:08.28 | FieldySnuts | heh i wouldn't even run X on that |
| 01:08.31 | cthulfuego | sun_: 1 |
| 01:08.34 | K_Dallas | never used ion2 |
| 01:08.37 | FieldySnuts | exobyte: shrug |
| 01:08.40 | nanok | if you like fluxbox, and get along with it well, stick to it |
| 01:08.45 | caphuso | sun_: more features in ion3 |
| 01:08.47 | yzx | wmii when it hits the repos, else ion, not confusing once you know it, a bit of an investment, but more like a vim or emacs of wms |
| 01:08.47 | FieldySnuts | exobyte: http://www.habets.pp.se/synscan/programs.php?prog=ARPing |
| 01:08.49 | exobyte | FieldySnuts: file not found |
| 01:08.57 | FieldySnuts | sleep. |
| 01:09.01 | nanok | nbr: there are many other choices, i do mean _many_ :) |
| 01:09.12 | yzx | ion3 is a rewrite, with better integration of previous pwm was it, another window manager written by same author |
| 01:09.16 | nbr | i've used bb4win (blackbox for windows) and so fluxbox was my natural choice. |
| 01:09.17 | yzx | was first to have tabbing |
| 01:09.28 | nbr | why does linux take so long to boot up? |
| 01:09.29 | nanok | nbr: however, get some ram, it is cheap. find out what kind of ram/how much you model can accept .. |
| 01:09.52 | nbr | meh, i don't care about this computer much. i just installed linux out of curiousity. |
| 01:09.52 | caphuso | yzx: better integration? pwm and ion are the same window manager... |
| 01:09.53 | K_Dallas | nbr: compared to what? |
| 01:09.56 | nbr | i like the screen fonts. |
| 01:09.56 | yzx | used them both, no real comparison to ion though, and i prefer wmi at a more basic level |
| 01:09.59 | cthulfuego | nbr: Are you loading the kernel off a floppy? |
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| 01:10.01 | webuadata | Ok, i started using gaim, how do i install limewire again? |
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| 01:10.13 | nbr | no, it'd on the disk. |
| 01:10.15 | yzx | to flux and black but these are personal choices, just letting you know the minority |
| 01:10.16 | MrBallZ | so ... how to do a gnomeless sarge install ??? =) , just take out all the gnome packages before installing ??? |
| 01:10.16 | nbr | it's. |
| 01:10.20 | shingouz | webuadata: afaik there is no limewire for linux |
| 01:10.28 | webuadata | yes their is |
| 01:10.41 | shingouz | webuadata: and i need to know about it? why? |
| 01:10.43 | [Granger] | MrBallZ: Sarge does not come with gnome |
| 01:10.48 | [Granger] | or X for that matter |
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| 01:10.54 | malign-traps | What syscall tells me what file a symlink points to? I figured lstat(), but I now realize I have no idea. |
| 01:10.58 | webuadata | im asking you how to isntall it |
| 01:11.02 | webuadata | i downloaded the package |
| 01:11.12 | webuadata | I just need to know how to run it in root. |
| 01:11.17 | nbr | what about icewm? |
| 01:11.25 | shingouz | webuadata: but you are not going to tell in what format it is or anything? |
| 01:11.25 | greycat | nbr: *try* it. |
| 01:11.30 | nbr | k. |
| 01:11.36 | webuadata | um |
| 01:11.38 | nanok | icewm is nice and fast too, and easy to understand usually.. |
| 01:11.40 | webuadata | its in.. |
| 01:11.48 | webuadata | hold on now i have to go to my computer to check |
| 01:12.22 | shingouz | webuadata: read the frigging docs on the fscking package! the package is *there* not here and i am not about to start looking and d/l'ing such crap. |
| 01:12.25 | greycat | readlink("/etc/alternatives/vi", "/usr/bin/vim", 128) = 12 |
| 01:12.25 | cthulfuego | nbr: Provided your kernel includes a native driver for your IDE controller, that should boot faster then everything except maybe beos. |
| 01:12.35 | greycat | malign-traps: readlink(2) |
| 01:12.39 | MrBallZ | granger: .... it doesn't , so why when i installed it , as a workstation it instralled both ... |
| 01:12.47 | nanok | nbr: if it boots slowlly you may things fireing up at startup that you don't need.. |
| 01:12.55 | nanok | nbr: man update-rc.d |
| 01:13.12 | malign-traps | greycat, Ah, yes! Thank you. |
| 01:13.20 | greycat | !strace++ |
| 01:13.25 | nanok | nbr: and keep in mind that machine is not really the peak of technology these days :) |
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| 01:13.46 | cthulfuego | greycat: Does readlink not have a terminating null? |
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| 01:13.56 | shingouz | MrBallZ: don't install any of the workstation crap then. just the base system |
| 01:14.03 | nanok | and quite happy with it, really ;) |
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| 01:14.13 | shingouz | P1-133 |
| 01:14.21 | shingouz | so don't complain, nanok |
| 01:14.23 | nbr | nanok, cool! |
| 01:14.24 | cthulfuego | Hmm, nope. |
| 01:14.35 | greycat | cthulfuego: man 2 readlink |
| 01:14.36 | nbr | shingouz, seriously? |
| 01:14.45 | Vilim | It seems on my last update raidtools was replaced with mdadm. Now I am learning to use mdadm since my array didn't come up. I just wan absolute 100% confirmation that mdadm --create WILL NOT destroy data. the docs I have read would indicate that it does not, but I just want confirmation so I don't accidentally reformat all my data |
| 01:14.48 | nbr | shingouz, are things crazy slow for you too? |
| 01:14.51 | cthulfuego | greycat: yeah, 's just that /usr/bin/vim = 12 chars, without null ;-) |
| 01:14.52 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what port does VNC work on? |
| 01:14.53 | nanok | shingouz: not a bit, i just said i was quite happy, |
| 01:15.03 | d03boy | is there an easy way to upgrade to sarge 3.1 if im running an older version of sarge? |
| 01:15.05 | nanok | and i also have a lot of respect for "oldies" ;) |
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| 01:15.20 | cthulfuego | d03boy: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:15.32 | shingouz | nbr: no. i do not run gnome |
| 01:15.35 | MrBallZ | shingouz: and , then what would be the procedure to install KDE , apt-get KDE ??? |
| 01:15.40 | d03boy | cthulfuego, is that what most people do? |
| 01:15.43 | cthulfuego | TwistedEmotions: 5901 I think |
| 01:15.44 | shingouz | MrBallZ: i suppose so |
| 01:15.50 | cthulfuego | d03boy: only the sane ones |
| 01:15.52 | TwistedEmotions | cthulfuego: thanks. |
| 01:16.08 | MrBallZ | ok , guys thankyou very much , much help, aprreciate it ... bye bye |
| 01:16.11 | nanok | nbr: as i said, if you put enough ram into that baby, and run it... "thoughtfully" :) you will be amazed what it can do for you.. ;) |
| 01:16.43 | shingouz | nbr: you can still do many things on a hot 486 if you know what you do. if you don't it's off to the store with you |
| 01:16.44 | d03boy | cthulfuego, do I need to update my sources list now? |
| 01:17.25 | nanok | shingouz: shortlly put: indeed :) |
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| 01:18.01 | sun_ | hi just installed ion3, its cool but alt-left and alt-right dont shift workspaces anymore or is it just me? |
| 01:18.03 | shingouz | nanok: besides there is a minor benefit with the older hardware: it is either cheap or free |
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| 01:18.36 | nanok | shingouz: exactlly, for me it was just...afordable :( |
| 01:18.37 | nanok | :) |
| 01:18.39 | d03boy | should I change my sources.list to stable now for sarge? |
| 01:18.59 | d03boy | im confused on how this whole aptget sources list works |
| 01:19.05 | shingouz | d03boy: if you wish to track stable, yes |
| 01:19.25 | d03boy | track? |
| 01:19.29 | jasoncohen | d03boy, stable=sarge, etch=testing, sid=unstable and sid will always be unstable |
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| 01:19.34 | nanok | but it _is_ able to do almost anything i need it to do, and it has IBM all over it (these guys really know how to build stuff :), not that they are the only ones.. |
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| 01:19.48 | nanok | so i can only agree with you ;) |
| 01:20.01 | shingouz | nanok: you too, huh... IBM's all over the place here |
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| 01:20.11 | d03boy | jasoncohen, what was it before sarge was stable? |
| 01:20.18 | d03boy | same thing? |
| 01:20.22 | jasoncohen | d03boy, before sarge was stable, woody was stable |
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| 01:20.25 | Guerin | sun_: yeah, seems fine, unless you need windows of a size less than fullscreen |
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| 01:20.31 | magyar | ahoy |
| 01:20.37 | d03boy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.41 | magyar | hey Guerin |
| 01:20.47 | shingouz | magyar: arrr |
| 01:20.51 | K_Dallas | i have to register with Sun to get their Java? |
| 01:21.00 | devazion | K_Dallas, nope |
| 01:21.02 | nanok | shingouz: it wasnt really indendet, for me, it happened to be the best offer at the moment.. |
| 01:21.10 | K_Dallas | darn, i am on the wrong page then :) |
| 01:21.11 | jasoncohen | d03boy, if you want to run stable set it to sarge...that way when etch becomes stable you can choose when you want to update yourself. |
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| 01:21.22 | bucky | K_Dallas, yes... blood type and tissue sample |
| 01:21.22 | nanok | s/indendet/intended |
| 01:21.29 | nanok | damn, i need to get sleep |
| 01:21.38 | cthulfuego | K_Dallas: Download the JRE 1.5.0-*.bin (not the .rpm.bin) |
| 01:21.44 | K_Dallas | bucky, is Sun part of CSI? ;) |
| 01:21.45 | jasoncohen | d03boy, so you'll want an entry for sarge and one for sarge security updates |
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| 01:21.54 | K_Dallas | cthulfuego, i try to find it, thanks |
| 01:22.08 | bruce2005 | do i have to build the kernel souce in usr/src or could i do this in any folder |
| 01:22.08 | jasoncohen | d03boy, if your upgrading from woody that means changing woody to sarge. this is all in the release notes btw. |
| 01:22.18 | shingouz | bruce2005: directory |
| 01:22.34 | d03boy | jasoncohen, do you suggest I run stable? I dont want to be behind too much in the world... but I dont want to be fixing my system every 2 hours |
| 01:22.36 | shingouz | and yes you can build the kernel whereever yuo likw |
| 01:22.40 | bruce2005 | do i have to build the kernel souce in usr/src or could i do this in any directory |
| 01:22.47 | shingouz | stop repeating |
| 01:22.49 | bruce2005 | oh okay |
| 01:22.55 | shingouz | geezzz.. |
| 01:22.58 | jasoncohen | d03boy, is this a server or a desktop system? |
| 01:23.02 | d03boy | desk |
| 01:23.30 | jasoncohen | d03boy, i run testing on my desktop. You can always run sarge for now and get security updates and switch to etch if there's something you want |
| 01:23.33 | shingouz | bruce2005: this is the third night in row you have showed up here asking the *absolutely same questions* |
| 01:23.35 | K_Dallas | cthulfuego, i found it, thank you |
| 01:23.42 | jasoncohen | d03boy, but testing is quite stable- just no security updates |
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| 01:23.56 | bruce2005 | shingouz: i never have asked that question before |
| 01:24.11 | d03boy | ok |
| 01:24.15 | greycat | !tell bruce2005 about custom kernel |
| 01:24.31 | d03boy | jasoncohen, is there a guide that explains this in more depth? |
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| 01:24.41 | shingouz | bruce2005: no you haven't. i just thought i have answered it at least a dozen times in the past three nights to someone with a nick brucesomething |
| 01:25.05 | magyar | is there a way to get "Koonsole" in full screen when launched? |
| 01:25.20 | shingouz | magyar: /msg dokg nodm |
| 01:25.31 | d03boy | oh, i guess i could ask dpkg |
| 01:25.36 | d03boy | i always forget about him |
| 01:25.38 | helix | shingouz: he might mean the kde app |
| 01:25.40 | shingouz | s/dokg/dpkg |
| 01:25.45 | jasoncohen | d03boy, yes, you can read the apt howto or the apt FAQ |
| 01:25.46 | shingouz | hm. true |
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| 01:25.57 | d03boy | ok, thanks |
| 01:26.00 | shingouz | magyar: KDE stuff? |
| 01:26.40 | magyar | shingouz: uh-huh |
| 01:26.56 | jasoncohen | d03boy, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html AND http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html |
| 01:27.10 | shingouz | magyar: in that case i will shut up on this topic before i make you screw up your system :) |
| 01:27.12 | d03boy | thanks |
| 01:27.19 | jasoncohen | d03boy, the first is the official apt howto and the latter gives some info on apt commands you might want to know |
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| 01:27.32 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 01:27.43 | shingouz | helix: nice catch. thanks |
| 01:27.46 | jasoncohen | d03boy, the apt howto is a bit old. it refers to non-us which no longer exists. have you read the sarge release notes? |
| 01:28.02 | d03boy | no |
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| 01:28.22 | jasoncohen | d03boy, http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-upgradingpackages |
| 01:28.28 | d03boy | thank you kind sirr.... |
| 01:28.34 | jasoncohen | you're welcome |
| 01:29.12 | jasoncohen | d03boy, what are you running currently? if you're running woody and you intend to upgrade definately read the upgrade section |
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| 01:29.46 | d03boy | i'm running the testing version of sarge |
| 01:29.54 | jasoncohen | huh? |
| 01:30.00 | magyar | shingouz: not to worry, i'll #kde it |
| 01:30.00 | jasoncohen | d03boy, you mean you're running testing? |
| 01:30.01 | bruce2005 | shingouz: it doesn't mean it was me if someone with a brucesomething asked u a similiar question |
| 01:30.18 | shingouz | bruce2005: of course you are right and i am wrong |
| 01:30.30 | d03boy | umm... it was sarge at the time I installed it, and I havent done a dist-upgrade... so its been a couple months |
| 01:30.38 | jasoncohen | d03boy, if you're running testing and you intend to use sarge you should change your sources.list file to sarge immediately |
| 01:30.54 | jasoncohen | d03boy, 784 new packages entered testing today...downgrading would not be fun |
| 01:31.20 | d03boy | eek |
| 01:31.33 | shingouz | d03boy: and do the change *before* you apt-get update! |
| 01:31.40 | d03boy | i dont mind running testing |
| 01:31.48 | d03boy | i think.. |
| 01:31.49 | jasoncohen | well, you'll have to decide |
| 01:31.59 | shingouz | d03boy: in the next few months you very well might mind |
| 01:31.59 | jasoncohen | d03boy, testing does not get security updates- you know that right? |
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| 01:32.02 | d03boy | its just a fun desktop system, I dont need VERY great stability |
| 01:32.09 | shingouz | !etch security |
| 01:32.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch security is that there is no such thing as of yet. comment out the line in your sources.list |
| 01:32.27 | jasoncohen | d03boy, do you mean you haven't upgraded your system in 3 months or that you just haven't done a dist-upgrade? |
| 01:32.50 | sun_ | shingouz is etch no good for desktop work? |
| 01:32.56 | d03boy | ok... so I should run stable. And I should set my sources.list to stable? Then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade and thats all I should need to do to be secure? |
| 01:32.57 | jasoncohen | shingouz, you think testing will become unstable? |
| 01:33.05 | shingouz | sun_: it is but... |
| 01:33.06 | d03boy | jasoncohen, I havent done a dist upgrade |
| 01:33.27 | shingouz | jasoncohen: packages drop from unstable to testing, nto the other way around |
| 01:33.27 | jasoncohen | d03boy, when was the last time you upgraded? if it was before this afternoon you should be ok. |
| 01:33.40 | shingouz | d03boy: what does your sources.list say? |
| 01:33.46 | d03boy | it was when I installed about 3-6 months ago |
| 01:33.56 | shingouz | d03boy: check the sources.list before you do *anything* else |
| 01:34.02 | shingouz | d03boy: do it now |
| 01:34.04 | jasoncohen | shingouz, i know. you said he might very well mind about using testing. I'm asking if you think it's going to have similar problems to what we saw today with gnome 2.10 |
| 01:34.19 | jasoncohen | d03boy, if you're using sarge you should at least have two lines |
| 01:34.23 | shingouz | jasoncohen: the packages will be real fresh pretty soon |
| 01:34.27 | sun_ | what happened to gnome 2.10 |
| 01:34.33 | shingouz | it borked |
| 01:34.38 | d03boy | shingouz, can i pm you my list? its only 4 lines |
| 01:34.42 | shingouz | no |
| 01:34.44 | greycat | it continued the long-standing tradition of excellence that gnome 2 started. |
| 01:34.48 | jasoncohen | d03boy, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 01:34.50 | shingouz | d03boy: use #flood |
| 01:34.55 | greycat | but shingouz already said that. |
| 01:35.11 | jasoncohen | d03boy, deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:35.31 | jasoncohen | that will give you an up to date sarge system and you'll be able to get security updates |
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| 01:35.38 | d03boy | ok |
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| 01:36.02 | jasoncohen | you can remove contrib and non-free if you would like. those lines will give you all 16,000 or so packages- everything in sarge |
| 01:36.14 | shingouz | d03boy: after your sources.list looks like what jasoncohen just said, save it and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 01:36.30 | jasoncohen | then you'll be up to date |
| 01:36.31 | d03boy | ok, thanks guys |
| 01:36.47 | shingouz | d03boy: you can use either 'sarge' or 'stable' btw |
| 01:36.53 | jasoncohen | if you decide at some later point you want the new goodies in etch you can just change sarge to etch and remove the security line |
| 01:37.12 | d03boy | ok |
| 01:37.19 | d03boy | its beginning to make some sense.. :P |
| 01:37.19 | shingouz | d03boy: dont do it yet, though. the etch thing that is... |
| 01:37.23 | jasoncohen | shingouz, using sarge is recommended because then you aren't one day shocked to see 500 updates when you apt-get upgrade |
| 01:37.23 | sun_ | when testing starts to get security updates again (say in 3 years) how will we know? |
| 01:37.27 | jasoncohen | this way you choose when to upgrade |
| 01:37.44 | shingouz | sun_ you will know |
| 01:37.50 | greycat | sun_: because suddenly you'll see new things when you do "apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade" |
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| 01:38.17 | greycat | !dsa |
| 01:38.17 | dpkg | i heard dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/. Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 01:38.25 | jasoncohen | d03boy, if you decide to change to etch you would change your sources.list file to etch, remove the security line, and then run apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:38.40 | jasoncohen | or aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:38.57 | shingouz | d03boy: at this point you really should stick with sarge though.... |
| 01:38.58 | d03boy | k |
| 01:39.06 | d03boy | i'll stick with sarge unless I ask you guys |
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| 01:39.30 | shingouz | d03boy: that way we do not have to type as much |
| 01:39.32 | jasoncohen | shingouz, what will you be using on your desktop system? |
| 01:39.43 | shingouz | jasoncohen: wiil? am. sid |
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| 01:39.54 | jasoncohen | am, sorry |
| 01:40.05 | jasoncohen | so, i imagine you'll just be careful in the coming weeks |
| 01:40.10 | shingouz | jasoncohen: no worries, mate |
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| 01:41.07 | shingouz | jasoncohen: i think so too. otoh i was on sid when woody released and didn't bork too badly, i am still running the very same installation here. and back then i was seriously a noob |
| 01:41.08 | jasoncohen | i'm keeping my mythtv backend on sarge and will be creating another frontend box which will also run sarge with automated cron-apt updates & mailings to inform me. I'm keeping my desktop on etch. Hopefully things will run smoothly but i'll check for any oddities when i run apt-get |
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| 01:41.21 | Ryushin | I'm building a new 2.4.31 kernel. I noticed that the "Cryptographic Options" are included with this kernel. However, the options are greyed out (xconfig) and I don't know what option I need to select in order to enable them. |
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| 01:41.58 | greycat | Ryushin: ask a linux kernel channel |
| 01:42.14 | jasoncohen | shingouz, it seems the only people that get really screwed are the noobs that just do apt-get dist-upgrade on sid and don't notice that 100 packages are being uninstalled :) |
| 01:42.16 | shingouz | Ryushin: get a debian kernel is the suggested appproach, fyi |
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| 01:42.41 | jasoncohen | Ryushin, why not use sarge's 2.4.27? |
| 01:42.43 | greycat | jasoncohen: we *do* warn everyone not to use unstable if they don't have enough Clue.... |
| 01:42.45 | sun_ | jasoncohen why would 100 packages be uninstalled? |
| 01:42.49 | shingouz | jasoncohen: true. and then just pretty randomly upgrade shit on their systems |
| 01:43.20 | webuadata | anyone know how to make bigger resolutions on linux? |
| 01:43.24 | jasoncohen | sun_, it's not supposed to- but if something like 1/2 of gnome is added and users don't check they get a f'd up gnome install |
| 01:43.25 | webuadata | im so confused with this stuff |
| 01:43.28 | Ryushin | I build my own custom kernels with about 8 patches for various things. |
| 01:43.36 | shingouz | webuadata: what do you mean bigger resolutions? |
| 01:43.38 | fas3r | i have copy a directory with root in my /home/user/ ,but it's impossible to write with my normal user... what's the command for change that.. it's chmod or chown? |
| 01:43.46 | webuadata | i am only getting 800x600 |
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| 01:44.02 | shingouz | fas3r: i think you are looking for chown |
| 01:44.04 | jasoncohen | greycat, but they don't ask before using sid...they bitch about what went wrong AFTER borking their system |
| 01:44.04 | webuadata | i need a bigger screen resolution |
| 01:44.08 | webuadata | its bugging me |
| 01:44.08 | jasoncohen | :) |
| 01:44.12 | shingouz | !tell webuadata about drxx |
| 01:44.21 | fas3r | ok thx |
| 01:44.23 | shingouz | webuadata: debug it :p |
| 01:44.23 | jasoncohen | webuadata, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , screen section |
| 01:44.27 | sun_ | !tell sun_ about drxx |
| 01:44.29 | shingouz | jasoncohen: no |
| 01:44.39 | jasoncohen | no? |
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| 01:44.48 | shingouz | webuadata: do *NOT* edit the file jasoncohen jsut told you to edit |
| 01:44.49 | jasoncohen | oh, sorry |
| 01:44.57 | jasoncohen | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:44.58 | webuadata | what do i do |
| 01:44.59 | shingouz | jasoncohen: no, read your own file |
| 01:45.07 | dvs | !drxx webuadata |
| 01:45.10 | dpkg | webuadata: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:45.10 | shingouz | !drxx webuadata |
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| 01:45.21 | dvs | shingouz: too slow ;-) |
| 01:45.29 | shingouz | dvs: yes. i hate you :p |
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| 01:45.42 | webuadata | also i dont understand the installation process |
| 01:45.49 | webuadata | do i need jsun to install programs? |
| 01:45.59 | jasoncohen | shingouz, sorry, i was thinking editing that file because when i ran dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server the advanced options didn't have the custom resolution i use on my laptop's LCD - 1400x1050 so i had to manually add it |
| 01:46.00 | Eclipser | why do everyone always hate those who are better? |
| 01:46.01 | shingouz | webuadata: what programs |
| 01:46.02 | dvs | jsun? |
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| 01:46.15 | webuadata | like any programs (AIM, Limewire, thunderbird) |
| 01:46.16 | sun_ | jasoncohen same for me |
| 01:46.16 | jasoncohen | woops - xserver-xfree86 i mean |
| 01:46.37 | shingouz | jasoncohen: the file can and occasionally has to be edited but it is not recommended for noobs. ever. |
| 01:46.38 | jasoncohen | sun_, what kind of laptop? i have a dell inspiron 8200 here |
| 01:46.42 | pueblo | is sid gnome being upgraded to 2.10? if so, is that why apt-get install [anything gnome] is borking? |
| 01:46.51 | jasoncohen | shingouz, yeah, my mistake |
| 01:46.51 | dvs | webuadata: I just use the defaults for the install and add in any programs I want afterwards. |
| 01:46.52 | shingouz | !tell webuadata about search |
| 01:47.00 | shingouz | !tell webuadata abaout installit |
| 01:47.05 | greycat | pueblo: it breaks because it is unstable. |
| 01:47.05 | sun_ | jasoncohen_ inspiron 9300 had to get a fglrx driver also |
| 01:47.10 | greycat | pueblo: you were warned. repeatedly. |
| 01:47.23 | greycat | (if you weren't, it sure ain't *our* fault...) |
| 01:47.28 | pueblo | greycat: thank you for the informative answer |
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| 01:47.39 | jasoncohen | sun_, i also had to edit the file to get the correct vertical & horizontal refresh on my 19" CRT so i could run @ 1400x1050 at 85 Hz |
| 01:47.52 | vox | any eta as to when gnome for sid is going to be fixed? :) |
| 01:47.59 | shingouz | webuadata: read what dpkg told you |
| 01:48.01 | greycat | !smite vox |
| 01:48.04 | dondelelcaro | pueblo: yes, and sort of. The answer is more complicated, but if you're running sid, you should already be aware of how the NEW queue works, and what to do about it. |
| 01:48.06 | vox | haha |
| 01:48.11 | shingouz | vox: dork |
| 01:48.31 | sun_ | jasoncohen yup i had to also. will anything bad happen as a result of us manually editing the file? |
| 01:48.34 | kelan | !tell shingouz about how to spell about |
| 01:48.39 | greycat | aeoiu: you were out of order. |
| 01:48.41 | kelan | ;) |
| 01:48.43 | jasoncohen | sun_, no- as long as you got the monitor's specs correct |
| 01:48.50 | jasoncohen | sun_, i got them off the manufacturer's site |
| 01:48.53 | shingouz | fsck. i fscked it up again? |
| 01:48.58 | pueblo | !fsck |
| 01:48.59 | dpkg | i guess fsck is a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 01:49.00 | jasoncohen | if you set them too high you can bust your monitor |
| 01:49.04 | kelan | < shingouz> !tell webuadata abaout installit |
| 01:49.08 | sun_ | jasoncohen no i mean regarding aptitude and dpkg and all that |
| 01:49.11 | kelan | extra 'a' in there |
| 01:49.11 | shingouz | kelan: yea, i noticed |
| 01:49.22 | shingouz | !tell webuadata about installit |
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| 01:49.36 | shingouz | <mummblegrummmbbble> |
| 01:49.55 | jasoncohen | sun_, i also installed the flgrx drivers on my sarge mythtv box so i could get tv-out and i also toyed with dual monitor support (independent displays with seperate drivers) but the video performance blew so i just have one monitor hooked up - the TV |
| 01:50.08 | jasoncohen | i do all my administration (which frankly isn't much on sarge) over SSH |
| 01:50.25 | sun_ | jasoncohen for example if xserver-xfree86 updates will it quash the hand edited file or somethign? did you put in the kernel patches for fglrx 3d support? |
| 01:50.42 | nanok | nite.. |
| 01:51.00 | shingouz | sun_ the file is safe if you edit it, dpkg is not going to touch it at all after you edit it |
| 01:51.00 | jasoncohen | i used to wonder why someone would want an outdated "stable" system. Going from mandrake to debian really showed me how nice it can be to have a stable and reliable system that you can just forget about |
| 01:51.07 | shingouz | nite nanok |
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| 01:51.27 | jasoncohen | sun_, nope- it'll either keep your custom file or ask you what to do |
| 01:52.05 | jasoncohen | sun_, it won't overwrite it by itself..actually now that i think of it- it didn't ask to overwrite the config file. |
| 01:52.18 | jasoncohen | when i went from xfree86 ...-13 to -14 |
| 01:52.26 | sun_ | jasoncohen i see thats good i guess regarding the file. did you get the fglrx from virgilio.it the prepackaged debian version? |
| 01:52.28 | jasoncohen | sun_, anyways you should ALWAYS have a backup of that file |
| 01:52.31 | Shorty_ | anyone used leafnode or the like for a small standalone nntp server? |
| 01:52.43 | jasoncohen | sun_, yeah, i downloaded the binaries off his site for sarge |
| 01:52.45 | shingouz | sun_, jasoncohen: it wont touch the file if it has been hand hacked |
| 01:52.54 | jasoncohen | ah, good to know |
| 01:53.07 | sun_ | jasoncohen on that site he says somethign abuot patching the kernel which was too much for me, did you do that? |
| 01:53.10 | shingouz | !tell Shorty_ about polls |
| 01:53.16 | jasoncohen | shingouz, when i upgraded openssh it asked if i wanted to overwrite my config file which is custom |
| 01:53.16 | kelan | woo! |
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| 01:53.32 | shingouz | jasoncohen: that is a different thing i think |
| 01:53.36 | kelan | i wish we could get more people to ask polls |
| 01:53.43 | kelan | the reaction is fun! |
| 01:53.45 | shingouz | !clue kelan |
| 01:54.08 | jasoncohen | sun_, no- you don't have to do that...just download the binaries, compile and install something for your kernel, modprobe fglrx, and restart X i believe |
| 01:54.09 | shingouz | kelan: you mean i hate polls? you are correct |
| 01:54.13 | Shorty_ | ok then, can someone make a recommendation on a suitable package for a small nntp server for less than 10 clients, with no need to get external nntp feeds? :) |
| 01:54.20 | Shorty_ | shingouz; better? :P |
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| 01:54.31 | shingouz | Shorty_ a hell of a lot better |
| 01:54.40 | greycat | Shorty_: *quit* |
| 01:54.44 | transgress | i had to delete the nvidia.ko module to get fglrx to work for me... |
| 01:54.45 | greycat | oops, *quite* |
| 01:54.50 | sun_ | jasoncohen yah thats what i did. i believe that gives you 2d acceleration only, to get 3d acceleration you have to actually patch and recompile the kernel if i am not mistaken. |
| 01:54.53 | jasoncohen | sun_, do this cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.backup |
| 01:54.56 | Shorty_ | *waits for a reply* |
| 01:55.02 | kelan | shingouz: which distro is better: fedora, slackware, mandriva, arch, lfs, or ubuntu? |
| 01:55.14 | jasoncohen | sun_, no- i have 3d acceleration...i tested glxgears at 3500 fps |
| 01:55.39 | shingouz | Shorty_: you may have to wait, this is not paid support. in the meantime 'apt-cache search nntp' |
| 01:55.40 | greycat | |
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| 01:56.22 | jasoncohen | sun_, here's what you do. 1) download fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-xfree86/index.html |
| 01:56.23 | yo2 | hi... debian have support for sata ?? on this new version got a install wizard like fedora or other distro , or is the same installer ?? ..... thanks |
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| 01:56.40 | devazion | yo2, sure... will be named sdx |
| 01:56.49 | jasoncohen | sun_, then cd /usr/src/modules/fglrx ; ./make.sh |
| 01:56.54 | Shorty_ | shingouz; I'm a long time idler, I'm simply trolling ;) |
| 01:56.57 | yo2 | thanks devazion |
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| 01:57.11 | shingouz | Shorty_ keep up the good work and i might troll you |
| 01:57.13 | shingouz | :) |
| 01:57.17 | yo2 | sdx is for sata .... like hdx ? |
| 01:57.21 | jasoncohen | sun_, then mkdir /lib/modules/`(uname -r)`/misc |
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| 01:57.38 | jasoncohen | sun_, cp fglrx.ko /lib/modules/`(uname- r)`/misc/ |
| 01:57.40 | jasoncohen | depmod -ae |
| 01:57.48 | magyar | is there any irc channels on freenode for ms nt servers? |
| 01:57.49 | jasoncohen | modprobe flgrx |
| 01:57.55 | jasoncohen | ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X |
| 01:58.24 | jasoncohen | sun_, it's all here - http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#overview1 in sections 4.1 and 4.2 |
| 01:58.25 | shingouz | yo2: debian has the absolutely same support for hardware than any other free system running linux. when it comes to a point-and-drool installer i think you are sad out of lock |
| 01:58.52 | Seb | i'm about to start using LVM for my backup disk; i see both lvm1 and lvm2 are in debian, any reasons I should not use lvm2 ? |
| 01:59.10 | jasoncohen | the debian installer isn't a pretty gui one but it gets the job done and it's damn easy |
| 01:59.14 | sun_ | jasoncohen amazing. i read that and i couldnt figure it out for the life of me. thanks a lot |
| 01:59.36 | jasoncohen | sun_, np- good luck |
| 01:59.53 | jasoncohen | sun_, here's how you verify if it actually worked - run fglrxinfo after restarting X |
| 01:59.56 | yo2 | well .... that must be my only question .... the issue is .. my dad want to use linux .. there is fedora etc etc .. but i use debian ... so why not a wizard like anaconda .. i can install the system but it would be nice if he can do it |
| 02:00.02 | jasoncohen | sun_, it should say ATI Radeon blah blah |
| 02:00.11 | jasoncohen | NOT mesa glx |
| 02:00.31 | shingouz | yo2: give him the sarge netinstall and he should be able to do it |
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| 02:00.36 | jasoncohen | yo2, install for him :) |
| 02:00.55 | yo2 | :) |
| 02:01.00 | jasoncohen | yo2, just clone your system. that'll give him a pretty good place to stat and then when he figures out more he can install stuff himself |
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| 02:01.17 | jasoncohen | yo2, /msg dpkg selections |
| 02:01.20 | shingouz | yo2: you also will have less work if you do not give him root at all, just install debian on the system, have hard passes for root and hide the pass behind your back |
| 02:01.24 | nanok | ah.. |
| 02:01.41 | yo2 | jejejje |
| 02:01.42 | yo2 | lol |
| 02:01.44 | jasoncohen | yeah, upgrade for him remotely so he can't f*** it up |
| 02:01.46 | nanok | shingouz: are you running on a thinkpad also? by any chance?.. |
| 02:01.50 | yo2 | let me download the 3.1 for him |
| 02:01.52 | HugTheBaby | are wifi sniffers available for standalone ethernet routers or must you have a wifi card in your actual pc??? |
| 02:02.14 | shingouz | nanok: hmm.. lemmeseenow... 701, three 755's, 560, 600 |
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| 02:02.28 | nanok | oh yeah, you the man i need :) |
| 02:02.29 | jasoncohen | HugTheBaby, you can use ethereal on a wired LAN |
| 02:02.33 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: check out kismet |
| 02:02.48 | HugTheBaby | i cant use kismet on my dlink wifi router |
| 02:02.52 | nanok | shingouz: i need a hint: i can't make out something: |
| 02:03.05 | shingouz | nanok: if you are going to ask real tough questions lemme go grab a smoke first ;) |
| 02:03.12 | HugTheBaby | my setup: pc - ethernet cable - dlink wifi router - wifi |
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| 02:03.24 | nanok | shingouz: no, i think it will be easy for you :) |
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| 02:03.51 | nanok | shingouz: are there actually hdd caddys that fit all thinkpads? |
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| 02:03.58 | dippo | anyone know what /dev/shm/network is and why a recent sarge upgrade would not have it? |
| 02:04.19 | thyhorror | question : i need truetype fonts for some applications . i'm a pretty new users and none to bright either . should i install xfstt ? or try and get then to work with just xfree86-4 ? |
| 02:04.31 | nanok | shingouz: the 770 series have the plug on the long side of the caddy, the others on the short side (iirc).. |
| 02:04.33 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: www.kismetwireless.net Before you do anything with it, read the docs, dragorn has really good docs on kismet |
| 02:05.04 | shingouz | nanok: hdd caddy? the one with the harddrive or the other that houses the cd? |
| 02:05.16 | nanok | shingouz: (i got mine without hdd _and_ w/o caddy :( |
| 02:05.22 | nanok | shingouz: the hdd one |
| 02:05.22 | HugTheBaby | shingouz kismet wont run on the dlink router itself |
| 02:05.28 | shingouz | nanok: oops |
| 02:05.38 | nanok | shingouz: and am stuggling running from cd :( |
| 02:05.45 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: sec |
| 02:05.48 | nanok | for a moth or so now.. |
| 02:06.11 | HugTheBaby | i does work with internal wifi cards e.g. pci |
| 02:06.18 | shingouz | nanok: 770.. hmm. i am not too familiar with them though |
| 02:06.23 | HugTheBaby | but not on standalone external routers afaik |
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| 02:06.35 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: so what are you trying to do? |
| 02:06.53 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: wardriving or...? |
| 02:06.55 | HugTheBaby | shingouz i want to scan for local wifi nets |
| 02:06.59 | HugTheBaby | basically yes |
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| 02:07.12 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: define local |
| 02:07.23 | HugTheBaby | i my apt complex |
| 02:07.33 | HugTheBaby | s/i/in |
| 02:07.42 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: ok. why? |
| 02:07.53 | nanok | shingouz: i have found some vendor on the web claiming they have "one fits all thinkpads", but am not sure... |
| 02:08.00 | HugTheBaby | the dlink 504 is based on a linux kernel etc |
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| 02:08.11 | HugTheBaby | but fs seems to be read only |
| 02:08.14 | shingouz | nanok: now *that* is b/s, that i know |
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| 02:08.28 | HugTheBaby | so installing kismet isnt going to work afaik |
| 02:08.28 | webuadata | shingouz |
| 02:08.42 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: i asked you what you want to do with the kismet? |
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| 02:09.14 | nanok | shingouz: well, i guess, after all, dismantelling thinkpads and looking at the hdd caddy is not necessarlly a hobby for a thinkpad owner, i guess :) |
| 02:09.18 | shingouz | webuadata: so what? you waiting for me to acknowledge your presence? |
| 02:09.24 | HugTheBaby | search for wifi nets |
| 02:09.27 | webuadata | yes :) |
| 02:09.34 | nanok | shingouz: thanks a lot anyway |
| 02:09.38 | shingouz | nanok: check the ibm website for the HMM's |
| 02:09.44 | webuadata | but i need help installing and the bot isn't helping me |
| 02:09.48 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: and why do you want to do that |
| 02:09.50 | nanok | think will go to sleep now.. |
| 02:09.56 | shingouz | sleep tight |
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| 02:10.08 | nanok | yup, good luck to you all |
| 02:10.12 | HugTheBaby | shingouz so i can upload pics of your mom fucking a dog |
| 02:10.15 | shingouz | webuadata: i am not going to play twenty questions with you . speak up |
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| 02:10.29 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: wrong answer |
| 02:10.32 | webuadata | i installed a program |
| 02:10.34 | webuadata | off a site |
| 02:10.40 | webuadata | and i wanna install it to linux |
| 02:10.52 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: i am not going to help you pirate bandwidth off anyone |
| 02:10.52 | webuadata | but i dunno how to do so, the files are on the system |
| 02:11.20 | HugTheBaby | i doubt you could compile a kernel so i wouldnt bother asking you |
| 02:11.26 | shingouz | webuadata: first of all, enter is not punctuation. second, find the files and read the docs on them |
| 02:11.40 | webuadata | i did |
| 02:11.46 | webuadata | but what do i tell root to do |
| 02:11.49 | webuadata | to install the file |
| 02:11.56 | webuadata | and sorry enter is a habbit |
| 02:11.57 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: i can and regularly do but you jsut managed to piss me off so i am not going to help you. piss off |
| 02:12.36 | HugTheBaby | i dont need help from you fag |
| 02:12.39 | HugTheBaby | so fuck off |
| 02:12.43 | shingouz | webuadata: lose the habit then. i am not going to tell you "what root has to do to install" read the fucking docs on the packages |
| 02:13.08 | shingouz | HugTheBaby: do you really want to make people mad at you? |
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| 02:13.15 | varroa | Guess I stepped in at the wrong time. :^) |
| 02:13.17 | dondelelcaro | shingouz, HugTheBaby: use /ignore, or I will devoice you both. |
| 02:13.27 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: sorry |
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| 02:14.18 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: no worries. No point in getting agitated about it... |
| 02:14.33 | shingouz | hehe.. i am not, believe it or not :) |
| 02:14.53 | Erpo | Hi all. I'd like to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, but block apt-get from installing an updated kernel. Is there an easy way to do this? |
| 02:14.54 | webuadata | shin im sorry you gotta get like that, all i wanted was help idk what im doing. |
| 02:15.08 | shingouz | besides, i already slapped him on ignore before you told me to :) |
| 02:15.25 | pulaski | hello, I just got the stable sargre running and generally I'm very pleased. However this fancy Nautilis file manager seems buggy. Has anyone else observed this? |
| 02:15.37 | shingouz | webuadata: you havent even told me what format the files are in, how the hell can i help? |
| 02:15.55 | Erpo | pulaski: Yeah. There are things I don't like about nautilus. What's the problem? |
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| 02:16.09 | shingouz | webuadata: i cannot see the files or docs you have, you need to talk to me, man |
| 02:16.28 | pulaski | oh its very slow to start and sometimes once it does start it locks up and I have to kill it. |
| 02:17.10 | shingouz | pulaski: just a quick question, how much cpu and ram you have there? |
| 02:17.10 | Erpo | pulaski: Well, I don't know about the slow to start thing. That often depends on your hardware. It really shouldn't be locking up, though. |
| 02:17.29 | pulaski | Thanks Erpo, I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced this behavior. |
| 02:17.39 | Erpo | pulaski: No. |
| 02:17.48 | pulaski | I have a PII at 450mz and 384Mb ram. |
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| 02:18.14 | shingouz | pulaski: should be enough then unless you have a lot of other stuff going on at the same time |
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| 02:19.35 | Erpo | pulaski: What happens when it locks up? |
| 02:19.46 | pulaski | Thanks shingouz, I see. Well a fancy file manager is not that important to me at this time. |
| 02:20.05 | shingouz | pulaski: when it locks up, can you still ssh into it? |
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| 02:20.41 | pulaski | Erpo: on I get no response and I often get a message saying the the program has quit responding |
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| 02:21.11 | shingouz | pulaski: sounds like nautilus does not like you |
| 02:21.45 | Erpo | pulaski: Are you handy with a debugger? |
| 02:21.46 | pulaski | Erpo: and if I drag the box with the not responding message over the nautilis window it begins to wipe out the nautilis window details. |
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| 02:21.56 | pulaski | lol shingouz. |
| 02:22.30 | shingouz | maybe you should wave a dead chicken over the computer when nautilus next locks on you..... /me is back in about ten |
| 02:22.38 | pulaski | No but I have tried to answer the prompt to tell the developers Erpo. |
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| 02:23.04 | Erpo | pulaski: Does it give you a backtrace? |
| 02:23.32 | pulaski | I'm unfamiliar with that term backtrace Erpo. |
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| 02:24.19 | gandy909 | are all the 31r0a cds actually different than the 31r0 cds, or is it really just one of them? |
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| 02:24.38 | Erpo | pulaski: It tells you what the program had just done when it crashed. It's a bunch of lines of text that start with #0 at the top and increase in number as they go on (i.e. the second line starts with #1, the third line starts with #2, etc...). |
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| 02:25.30 | cuti | can someone help me. I add some apps to .xinitrc file but sometimes they start and sometimes they dont |
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| 02:25.34 | cuti | how can i fix that |
| 02:25.41 | Erpo | gandy909: I'm assuming you don't want to download anything you don't have to. I'd suggest comparing the md5 sums from the cds you already have to the md5sums on the website. I don't know the answer to your question, though. |
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| 02:25.47 | cuti | i'm using fluxbox |
| 02:25.49 | magyar | 800 wow |
| 02:25.55 | pulaski | Oh that's helpful Erpo. Is this backtrace file part of the debugger you mentioned or does it appear in /var/log somewhere? |
| 02:26.36 | Erpo | pulaski: A debugger can be used to make a backtrace. The "inform the developers" button might automatically get a debugger to make a backtrace, in which case you would be able to see it during the bug report process. |
| 02:26.37 | gandy909 | ...other than the /.disk/info file that is |
| 02:27.15 | Erpo | gandy909: Ugh. MD5 won't help you that way, then. |
| 02:27.32 | exobyte | I have a list of files like "/path name/.../file", I do cat list | xargs -L 1 ls, but it is really wrong |
| 02:27.43 | pulaski | Thanks Erpo. I'll continue playing with it. Can you suggest any docs to help with this debugger? |
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| 02:27.46 | gandy909 | didn't think so... :( |
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| 02:28.07 | BullWeivel | i have installed debian a million times over... but never on a SATA drive. Is there a floppy install for SATA drives??? i normaly just use the ide floppies.. what should i do for sata drives? |
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| 02:28.42 | hikenboot_ | hello all quick and easy question ...there is a command like sudo that allows you to start a program that requires a gui from konsole...somthing like sudo...what is this command? |
| 02:28.53 | gandy909 | I guess I can just mount the iso's and jigdo my way to 31r0a on all 14 cds... what a waste of time tho... |
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| 02:29.13 | Azar | :) a slash.er already commented that cnet article about Sarge's issue with the security source |
| 02:29.23 | Erpo | pulaski: Debuggers can be intimidating if you haven't used them before, so it may not be worth it for you. I would suggest googling for documentation on gdb and using its excellent built-in help system if you like. |
| 02:30.11 | dcjarrell | hey, I am having problems with gettext, anyone willing to give me a hand? I have tried everything, but I am still stumped |
| 02:31.01 | pulaski | ok Erpo. Thanks a lot. I do that for "gdb". |
| 02:31.06 | ansong | hikenboot_, the sudo command is used to temporarily elevate permissions. have you tried just opening a terminal and typing the command to start the gui program you want to run? |
| 02:31.45 | jasoncohen | gandy909, so, you've burned the 3.1r0 isos and now you don't want to have to re-burn all the 14 3.1r0a isos? Why would any iso but the first be changed? If it's just one line in one file, it would seem you would only need to re-burn the 1st disk |
| 02:31.50 | hikenboot_ | yes it fails because it just runs without a gui...sorry your right its not sudo...but i could have sworn it is somthing similar |
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| 02:31.57 | pulaski | Thanks again. cya |
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| 02:32.26 | ansong | hikenboot_, what program are you wanting to run? |
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| 02:32.40 | hikenboot_ | for example WINEDEBUG=+relay wine executable.exe > out.txt |
| 02:32.56 | hikenboot_ | or without the out.txt it fails too |
| 02:33.05 | abrotman | ask #winehq ? |
| 02:33.11 | hikenboot_ | I was just trying to output debug info into a file |
| 02:33.26 | hikenboot_ | yes got no responses noone looks in that place i dont think |
| 02:33.42 | tcsetattr | trying to run wine without an X display to see it on? Xvfb |
| 02:33.43 | abrotman | ok .. who knew Dangermouse was coming to DVD and didn't tell me ? |
| 02:33.45 | gandy909 | it would SEEM that way, but is I simply ASSUME that it is that way, Murphys Law will bite me in the ass as usual... :) |
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| 02:33.54 | cuti | # ./setup.py instal |
| 02:33.54 | cuti | Error, libstatgrab is not installed (according to pkg-config). |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | gandy909: really .. it's just one line |
| 02:34.01 | cuti | can you help me |
| 02:34.02 | Epix | how do i install a deb file in a local fir? |
| 02:34.02 | jasoncohen | gandy909, could you possibly mount both disks and do a diff of the directory? |
| 02:34.04 | Epix | dir* |
| 02:34.06 | abrotman | cuti: install it! |
| 02:34.08 | abrotman | !installit |
| 02:34.09 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 02:34.16 | cuti | abrotman, it won't install |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | libstatgrab won;t ? |
| 02:34.30 | cuti | yeah |
| 02:34.40 | cuti | it says Error, libstatgrab is not installed (according to pkg-config). |
| 02:34.44 | shingouz | gandy909: the error is with the sources.list, it points the security to testing while it should point to stable, that's it, nothing more |
| 02:34.45 | abrotman | so install it! |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | !find libstatgrab sarge |
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| 02:35.13 | dpkg | python-statgrab: (interface to the libstatgrab library for Python), section python, is optional. Version: 0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 02:35.14 | jasoncohen | gandy909, you would probably be fine just downloaded 3.1r0a #1 and using 2-14 from 3.1r0 as the change is only one line. BTW, why did you use the 14 ISOs rather than the 2 DVD set? |
| 02:35.22 | abrotman | cuti: what is so hard about that ? |
| 02:35.38 | abrotman | cuti: and libstatgrab-dev might be useful |
| 02:35.40 | jasoncohen | *downloading |
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| 02:35.59 | A-L-P-H-A | http://pastebin.com/297486 I did an system update, and now my KB and mouse won't work properly. Can someone help me out? The pastebin is my XF86Config-4 file. it's a MS KB (not natural), and an MS wheel mouse (two normal buttons, click mousewheel) |
| 02:36.26 | abrotman | A-L-P-H-A: change your nick please |
| 02:36.30 | abrotman | A-L-P-H-A: and check your log files |
| 02:36.33 | gandy909 | shingouz, where exactly on cd1 is the sources.list file? |
| 02:36.33 | jasoncohen | A-L-P-H-A, a) what exactly is wrong? and b) run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:37.13 | abrotman | what will dpkg-reconfigure accomplish .. you don't know the error yet |
| 02:37.15 | jasoncohen | gandy909, yeah, it's just that one file. if this is only for a few systems, you could just change it yourself. Change testing to sarge and get rid of the # before the security line |
| 02:37.17 | A-L-P-H-A | jasoncohen, well, KB does not type anything/responde. Mouse movements are fine, just not responding to clicks. |
| 02:37.27 | jasoncohen | weird |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | A-L-P-H-A: only in X or at console too ? |
| 02:38.04 | abrotman | and change your nick please :) |
| 02:38.10 | A-L-P-H-A | abrotman, just X. |
| 02:38.11 | jasoncohen | gandy909, woops, i missed the "where" in that question |
| 02:38.13 | abrotman | i'm gonna stop reaching for the hypen |
| 02:38.16 | abrotman | err hyphen |
| 02:38.36 | abrotman | so you can check the logs in /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
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| 02:38.43 | shingouz | gandy909: you cannot modify the cd, once you install the system /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:38.56 | abrotman | what packages got updated ? |
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| 02:39.36 | shingouz | !nickometer A-L-P-H-A |
| 02:39.36 | dpkg | 'A-L-P-H-A' is 99.810% lame, shingouz |
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| 02:39.52 | abrotman | that's pretty lame |
| 02:39.54 | shingouz | that is pretty high... |
| 02:40.01 | Epix | abrotman, you need server admin rights :) |
| 02:40.06 | eranj | How do I allow access through samba for a specific lan ip? got swat too |
| 02:40.10 | Epix | !nickometer Epix |
| 02:40.16 | gandy909 | I have dloaded the .iso's haven't burned them |
| 02:40.17 | Erpo | !nickometer Erpo |
| 02:40.25 | shingouz | !nickometer Erpo |
| 02:40.31 | shingouz | !nickometer epix |
| 02:40.42 | Rizzer | "SID IS BACK" ??? what's that supposed to mean? where did it go? |
| 02:40.57 | Erpo | !nickometer L33tD0od |
| 02:40.58 | Epix | /msg it... it said its 0.000% for Epix |
| 02:41.03 | abrotman | Rizzer: not on freeze stuff |
| 02:41.03 | shingouz | Rizzer: sid has always been with us |
| 02:41.16 | abrotman | Rizzer: stuff wasn't flowing in because sarge was frozen |
| 02:41.38 | Rizzer | no, there's been plenty of new packages in unstable over the last few weeks |
| 02:41.52 | jasoncohen | Rizzer, for example openoffice.org 1.1.4 and ssh 4.1p1 went in yesterday. they were sitting in experimental before that |
| 02:41.55 | Rizzer | does bob2 mean "TESTING IS BACK" ? |
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| 02:42.14 | abrotman | doubt it |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | i'm sure it means sid is back |
| 02:42.18 | Erpo | I was under the impression that the reason x.org wasn't in unstable/testing was that sid was blocked up. But then someone else told me it's because everyone was working on Sarge instead of x.org. So what's true? |
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| 02:42.24 | shingouz | gandy909: you *could* mount the first one with loop, edit the sources.list and make a new iso out of it. that is the only way to do it, btw |
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| 02:42.41 | smacnay | jasoncohen: sorry, I was away a lot longer than I had intended |
| 02:42.42 | abrotman | Rizzer: yes there were updates . .but it was basically frozen . no gnome2.10 or kde3.4 or xorg etc |
| 02:42.50 | astronut | i just thought about something and checked...i don't have the security line in my sarge box because it's been sarge since before security opened up...anyone have the full line? |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | Erpo: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 02:43.04 | jasoncohen | shingouz, can't he just download the 3.1r0a iso and use that..save some effrot |
| 02:43.08 | chealer | !security |
| 02:43.08 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 02:43.11 | jasoncohen | smacnay, hey, did you figure out the problem? |
| 02:43.14 | shingouz | jasoncohen: of course |
| 02:43.17 | astronut | thanks chealer |
| 02:43.20 | jasoncohen | shingouz, what was it? |
| 02:43.26 | Erpo | abrotman: I looked at that. It contradicts what other people have said. I'm looking for a third opinion. |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | why isn't htat coming out |
| 02:43.36 | shingouz | jasoncohen: of course he can get the r0a |
| 02:43.38 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:43.38 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:43.38 | jasoncohen | shingouz, i meant to tell you to do apt-show-versions -u | grep testing |
| 02:43.39 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:43.42 | smacnay | jasoncohen: I haven't been back to the computer til now. |
| 02:43.47 | shingouz | uh? |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | Erpo: xsf didn't want xorg in sarge .. so they kept it out |
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| 02:44.00 | jasoncohen | shingouz, sorry, that was for smacnay |
| 02:44.07 | smacnay | jasoncohen: let me try this all again... sources should be testing and unstable? |
| 02:44.07 | abrotman | Erpo: because sarge was supposed to release a year ago |
| 02:44.09 | jasoncohen | smacnay, do apt-show-versions -u | grep testing |
| 02:44.14 | Guerin | Erpo: the deadbeast page is the real, true, official story by the debian X maint and DPL |
| 02:44.24 | jasoncohen | smacnay, yes, /msg me your sources.list and your apt.conf file |
| 02:44.24 | shingouz | ok, i thought for a second there that i had lost it |
| 02:44.32 | Erpo | Guerin: Thanks. :) |
| 02:44.33 | jasoncohen | smacnay, and show me the output of that command in /msg |
| 02:44.45 | smacnay | ok |
| 02:44.55 | shingouz | jasoncohen: preferably not in a msg but in #flood..... |
| 02:45.03 | shingouz | that way we all can help if needed |
| 02:45.14 | jasoncohen | ok, or i like to use pastebin.ca |
| 02:45.20 | shingouz | that too |
| 02:45.55 | jasoncohen | smacnay, apt-show-versions -u | grep testing will show you what testing packages are being upgraded. if those 200 upgrades you saw are all from testing you don't have a problem |
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| 02:46.10 | Epix | is there a way to make dpkg overwrite everything? |
| 02:46.12 | jasoncohen | smacnay, they very well might be as 784 new packages went into testing today. i had to update 130 packages |
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| 02:46.49 | Guerin | Epix: context |
| 02:46.57 | jasoncohen | lol |
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| 02:48.34 | grahamoz | hey whats on the second debain 3.1 dvd ? |
| 02:48.47 | dondelelcaro | grahamoz: stuff. |
| 02:48.47 | chealer | grahamoz: the rest |
| 02:48.48 | Guerin | grahamoz: more packages that you've never heard of and will never use |
| 02:49.03 | grahamoz | so i only need the first one |
| 02:49.22 | tcsetattr | OK, in the interest of producing a useful bug report... could anyone who has a working sarge mod_rewrite show me dpkg -l apache-common;md5sum /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_rewrite.so |
| 02:49.44 | Guerin | grahamoz: i believe the first one STILL makes sarge the biggest released OS evar. |
| 02:49.54 | gandy909 | shingouz, that's what I want to to, but I don't know where on the cd the sources.list is... :) |
| 02:50.07 | grahamoz | yeah |
| 02:50.08 | grahamoz | lol |
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| 02:50.27 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: you actually want to know about dpkg -l apache; |
| 02:50.32 | shingouz | gandy909: just grab the r0a off the nearest debian mirror and be done with it :) |
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| 02:50.55 | tcsetattr | dondelelcaro, I'm really interested in the package that contains that .so file, which is apache-common |
| 02:50.56 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: er, nevermind... |
| 02:51.02 | Guerin | tcsetattr: ii apache-common 1.3.33-6 support files for all Apache webservers |
| 02:51.05 | Guerin | 26c0d97d82e676160e957f3b7d79efd7 /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_rewrite.so |
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| 02:51.15 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: but anyway, 1.3.33-6 and 26c0d97d82e676160e957f3b7d79efd7 on i386 |
| 02:51.42 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: yeah, I had forgotten that random crap had been stuck in apache-common |
| 02:51.49 | tcsetattr | Guerin and don: and it runs? you actually use that module? It's not commented out in /etc/apache/modules.conf? |
| 02:52.05 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: yes. |
| 02:52.10 | tcsetattr | I don't see how that .so file could work. It needs symbols that don't exist in any of the dependent libraries |
| 02:52.19 | tcsetattr | baffling. |
| 02:52.19 | grahamoz | well i hope it will run good on my system |
| 02:52.23 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: just as an example, see http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/#123456 |
| 02:52.33 | Guerin | tcsetattr: most assuredly |
| 02:52.34 | grahamoz | i tryed the last 3.0 debian |
| 02:52.42 | grahamoz | i was like meh i will wait for the new one |
| 02:52.54 | tcsetattr | example of what? |
| 02:53.11 | dondelelcaro | s/#/%23/; of course. |
| 02:53.26 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: of mod_rewrite working. |
| 02:54.00 | eranj | How do I make my flash card reader (pqi) accessable? |
| 02:54.03 | tcsetattr | can you run ldd -r on that .so file, and grep it for "ndbm" |
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| 02:54.07 | dondelelcaro | http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/%23123456 -> http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=123456 |
| 02:54.59 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: I don't get any ndbm output. |
| 02:55.17 | tcsetattr | how about objdump -T mod_rewrite.so | grep ndbm |
| 02:55.21 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: that sure sounds like you're not linking with libdb-4.2.so |
| 02:55.24 | tcsetattr | the md5sum matched so you should get some output there. |
| 02:55.34 | tcsetattr | It _IS_ linked to libdb-4.2.so. Mabye my libdb-4.2.so is corrupt |
| 02:55.50 | tcsetattr | libdb-4.2.so was installed by the same upgrade |
| 02:56.07 | tcsetattr | aha! |
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| 02:57.11 | tcsetattr | I have a locally compiled libdb-4.2.so in /usr/local, since up until a couple days ago there was no DB 4 in Debian stable, and I needed it for other stuff... |
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| 02:57.27 | tcsetattr | so apparently Debian's db-4.2 is not compatible with the bog standard DB 4.2 |
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| 02:58.14 | bob2 | no |
| 02:58.29 | bztunk | yes |
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| 02:59.13 | douglas | i'm running gallery 1.5-1 on sarge, installed off a .deb, and i'd like to upgrade to either gallery 2 or 3 which i could get in tar.gzs but not .debs .. would upgrading via different install methodes pose greater risks than waiting for the .debs (in addition to the theats of installing beta ware..)? |
| 02:59.18 | tcsetattr | very annoying that I can have 2 different things called "libdb-4.2.so" and they actually are not compatible with each other |
| 02:59.27 | Ugly_Duck | any one know where i would be able to get a boot cd/floppy for scsi namely tekram? so i can recover my system |
| 02:59.47 | Guerin | douglas: since gallery is just php, you can just untar it somewhere in documentroot and symlink to it |
| 02:59.50 | abrotman | any vim users about ? |
| 02:59.50 | tcsetattr | now I have to mess around with LD_LIBRARY_PATH because people don't change soname when they should |
| 02:59.59 | douglas | hmm suppose i could |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | Guerin: i know you love vim :) |
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| 03:00.14 | Guerin | douglas: in fact, it's designed to be installed that way, and instructions are provided with it |
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| 03:00.31 | douglas | well i got some man pages to read then :) |
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| 03:00.33 | Guerin | abrotman: dim? not a great name for an editor, I thought. |
| 03:00.57 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:01.22 | douglas | Guerin: maybe this is a question for #apache or #gallery, but every now and then my apache2 just seems to die and become nonresponsive, fixed by running apache -k restart .. could the culprit be debian specific? |
| 03:01.24 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: that's not altogether unusual. Debian changes sonames when its versions change, and has no control over compile flags you pass to your own private version. |
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| 03:02.22 | tcsetattr | so now I have to be punished for daring to use the compiler instead of waiting the 3 years for Debian to release a stable version with DB4 |
| 03:02.32 | Guerin | douglas: no idea; I a) don't have that problem and b) don't use apache2 |
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| 03:02.45 | BullWeivel | anyone know what floppy is best to use for installing on a P4 with HT and has SATA drives???? |
| 03:02.59 | Rizzer | douglas: are you using PHP with apache2? |
| 03:03.03 | bucky | douglas, is that apache2 from a deb ? |
| 03:03.06 | Ugly_Duck | there has gotta be some bootable media out there some where.. with built in scsi support |
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| 03:03.20 | bztunk | BullWeivel: floppy? |
| 03:03.21 | douglas | Guerin: would you say that for my gallery purposes, there are no perks to using apache 2 over 1? yes i'm using php with it and it was from a deb |
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| 03:03.32 | BullWeivel | bztunk: install floppies... |
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| 03:03.43 | bztunk | BullWeivel: why would you use a floppy? |
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| 03:03.54 | Rizzer | douglas: they recommend using the single-thread version of apache2 with php |
| 03:04.04 | laoye | gftp gave me this msg : "cannot look up hostname local filesystem: Name or service unknown" when i try to ftp from non-root. |
| 03:04.06 | douglas | Rizzer: is that a separate package or a conf tweak |
| 03:04.10 | BullWeivel | bztunk: why not? i dont have a cd rom to burn a cd here either so.. but not like i install more then once in a great while ;) |
| 03:04.13 | bucky | some sata's have an issue with cdroms? |
| 03:04.49 | Guerin | douglas: no idea. I do know that some php stuff isn't threadsafe, and some MPMs of apache2 have trouble with it |
| 03:05.00 | bucky | BullWeivel, there are sarge install floppies.. the link is on the installer page |
| 03:05.07 | Rizzer | douglas: separate package. I think there's "MPM" and "pre-fork", I think the single-thread one is pre-fork. I think the package descriptions tell which one to use. |
| 03:05.12 | douglas | well, gallery is pretty much all php and sql, could be related |
| 03:05.14 | Guerin | laoye: can user read /etc/hosts? |
| 03:05.23 | BullWeivel | bucky: any idea if they work with sata drives?? |
| 03:05.25 | Guerin | gallery is sql? |
| 03:05.27 | douglas | ok rza i'll google that |
| 03:05.34 | douglas | uses it |
| 03:05.38 | bztunk | BullWeivel: you have a p4 with HT, but you don't have a cd writer? |
| 03:05.55 | nvz | heh |
| 03:06.03 | laoye | Guerin, yes |
| 03:06.16 | Rizzer | douglas: use aptitude, it gives you the package descriptions |
| 03:06.17 | bucky | BullWeivel, depends on the controller.. i read something about it in the release notes |
| 03:06.17 | nvz | you can get cdwriters for less that you would pay for a drive cable in one of those pcs |
| 03:06.18 | Guerin | laoye: and there's something meaningful in it? |
| 03:06.19 | BullWeivel | bztunk: yes. not cd writer. at least not at this office. its a server...not a computer for burning crap ;) |
| 03:06.35 | laoye | Guerin, no. it's empty |
| 03:06.49 | BullWeivel | this box isnt even going to have x on it :) its just a game server for now. |
| 03:06.53 | bztunk | BullWeivel: well, that's acceptable, yes, but you can burn it elesewhere you know. |
| 03:06.57 | Guerin | laoye: add a line like 127.0.0.1 yourhostname localhost localhost.localdomain |
| 03:07.00 | douglas | rizzer/guerin: if a .deb for gallery > 1.5 pops up sometime, would it be a bad idea to dpkg install it if it's not for sarge yet? |
| 03:07.08 | douglas | especially since i'd be upgrading? |
| 03:07.17 | laoye | Guerin, ok, thks. |
| 03:07.21 | bztunk | BullWeivel: anyway, you can try to net boot with the ethernet card |
| 03:07.22 | Guerin | douglas: should work fine; just check the deps |
| 03:07.25 | Rizzer | douglas: not necessarily a bad idea, so long as the dependencies are met |
| 03:07.27 | jasoncohen | shingouz, ah, well i figured out smacnay's problem. he had sarge as his default release in apt.conf rather than testing so apt-get upgrade wanted to upgrade all his packages to the unstable version |
| 03:07.35 | jasoncohen | after changing it to testing it worked |
| 03:07.40 | douglas | ok then .. thanks fellas |
| 03:07.53 | shingouz | jasoncohen: nice one |
| 03:08.03 | Guerin | lunchi! |
| 03:08.11 | Seb | how do I benchmark what speed my new HD can read/write at ? |
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| 03:08.52 | Gnea | Guerin: hrm actually, gallery2 uses sql, gallery version 1 does not |
| 03:08.58 | laoye | jasoncohen, isn't sarge testing and testing sarge? |
| 03:09.13 | astronut | laoye: not anymore |
| 03:09.19 | astronut | sarge is stable and stable is sarge |
| 03:09.20 | bucky | laoye, not since sarge went stable three days ago |
| 03:09.21 | jasoncohen | nope, testing is now etch |
| 03:09.35 | jasoncohen | that's why it's always good to follow testing if you want testing |
| 03:09.41 | jasoncohen | not the codename of the release |
| 03:09.41 | laoye | ok, things are moving fast. |
| 03:09.46 | BullWeivel | bztunk: how do you boot with the net card? |
| 03:09.46 | douglas | for renting good hardware to be coloed, does $400/mnth for 100Mbit/s and 150GB/month (1$ per gig extra) sound like a good deal? theonion's provider in texas |
| 03:09.56 | Ugly_Duck | any one know why, in the sarge installer they took out the option to install modules from a floppy? |
| 03:10.09 | tcsetattr | ugh. |
| 03:10.39 | laoye | so what do we have now? stable=sarge? then testing=? unstable=? |
| 03:10.43 | bucky | Ugly_Duck, i think it's still there.. modconf ? |
| 03:10.49 | bztunk | BullWeivel: I don't know, but I know you can find docs for it |
| 03:11.03 | Ugly_Duck | bucky: really, oh.... will look into that |
| 03:11.08 | Rizzer | laoye: unstable is always "sid"...the boy next door who breaks toys |
| 03:11.10 | douglas | laoyee: /. seems to be stating sarge=stable suddenly |
| 03:11.14 | bucky | maybe.. i dunno |
| 03:11.37 | laoye | Rizzer, ok, that answers part of my q. |
| 03:11.47 | douglas | and that debian moves ware from testing down at "glacier-like speed" |
| 03:11.56 | Rizzer | laoye: the others answers were just given... scroll-up :) |
| 03:12.30 | bucky | douglas, we don't want to confuse our user base |
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| 03:12.42 | bucky | that's why we're slow |
| 03:12.45 | xsdg | douglas: "from testing"? huh? |
| 03:12.53 | douglas | i meant unstable |
| 03:12.57 | douglas | bucky: true. |
| 03:13.25 | xsdg | douglas: btw, /topic |
| 03:13.29 | bucky | i mean.. they could go to debian.org and read.. but i digress.. |
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| 03:13.37 | douglas | hang on lemme type that /topic in .. |
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| 03:13.59 | douglas | woah i should have noticed that topic and not said what i said |
| 03:14.00 | laoye | ok, stable=sarge, testing=etch, unstable=sid. so users will have to update their sources.list. |
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| 03:14.19 | douglas | etch.. is that another toy story character? |
| 03:14.21 | Rizzer | laoye: that's right, more or less |
| 03:14.24 | daesotho | ok now one of you (and probably dpkg) is going to tell me why 2.6 has renumbered my ethernet cards |
| 03:14.40 | laoye | Rizzer, it got to be exact. |
| 03:14.50 | BullWeivel | douglas... you need to watch toy story a few more times ;) hehehe yes its a character in the movie |
| 03:14.58 | jasoncohen | damn, why do the codenames confuse people so much? |
| 03:15.01 | Rizzer | laoye: if you want to always run testing, and only ever testing, then you use "testing" in the lines in source.list instead of "sarge" or "etch" |
| 03:15.10 | douglas | daesotho: 2.6 seemed to reorder the gallery albums on my pr0n site! |
| 03:15.24 | jasoncohen | perhaps it would be easier if we just referred to the versions as oldstable, stable, testing, unstable |
| 03:15.33 | daesotho | hm |
| 03:15.35 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Because they can't be bothered to read. |
| 03:15.36 | daesotho | can i see? |
| 03:15.41 | douglas | BullWeivel: over time won't we eventually run out of toy story characters? |
| 03:15.42 | MobyTurbo | !confuse douglas |
| 03:15.44 | dpkg | Yes, them is your mushroom tomorrow, douglas? pants of the democracy of swaziland with extra herring |
| 03:15.49 | mullethead | there is toy story 2 |
| 03:15.55 | Rokret | hi everyone ! can I make "apt-get install kde" to get new version 3.4 ? |
| 03:15.56 | douglas | mullethead: ahh :) |
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| 03:16.08 | jasoncohen | mwilson, precisely |
| 03:16.14 | daesotho | apt-cache search kde to see |
| 03:16.16 | chealer | Rokret: no, ask #debian-kde |
| 03:16.16 | mullethead | and by the time debian releases etch the sun will have already exploded |
| 03:16.17 | mwilson | Rokret: No. |
| 03:16.19 | laoye | how do i get informed about such changes in debian? |
| 03:16.20 | Rizzer | laoye: but if you were testing sarge while it was testing, and want to stick with it now that it's stable, you want to leave source.list referring to just "sarge", not "testing" or "stable" |
| 03:16.23 | Xenguy | dpkg I know *exactly* what you mean |
| 03:16.24 | daesotho | or read the topit |
| 03:16.28 | Rokret | ok, thanks |
| 03:16.33 | jasoncohen | laoye, read the sarge release notes |
| 03:16.46 | laoye | jasoncohen, from where? |
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| 03:17.10 | douglas | so woody is ... dead ?? |
| 03:17.14 | jasoncohen | laoye, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 03:17.24 | jasoncohen | look at that- i found it in 30 secs. look at me :) |
| 03:17.29 | laoye | jasoncohen, thks. |
| 03:17.38 | san | hello everybody |
| 03:17.41 | jasoncohen | laoye, debian.org is usually a good start to find debian related info. also google |
| 03:17.42 | douglas | hi san! |
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| 03:17.49 | TNKS | hi all. I know roughly what firmware is, but what is "Magic" firmware? |
| 03:17.57 | douglas | indeed debian.org has some deb info |
| 03:18.21 | Rizzer | douglas: we don't have to infrastructure to provide proper security updates for oldstable (woody), so in that sense yes it is dead |
| 03:18.21 | laoye | what i want is to a mail list i can join which will keep me up to date. |
| 03:18.29 | douglas | though it doesn't get as mad as you when you send a web browser request for something that doesn't violate the <title>s of the pages as with irc |
| 03:18.30 | jasoncohen | laoye, i also recommend the apt howto & apt examples guide |
| 03:18.49 | laoye | jasoncohen, a mail list, pls. |
| 03:18.52 | Rizzer | douglas: that's why woody release 6 was made last week before sarge became stable this week |
| 03:18.53 | daesotho | so i set up my firewall script to make eth0 to one network, eth1 to another and eth2 to the internet |
| 03:19.18 | jasoncohen | laoye, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html AND http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html |
| 03:19.19 | douglas | Well this is big news. |
| 03:19.20 | Rizzer | laoye: debian-annouce annouces new versions |
| 03:19.26 | daesotho | and then i boot up to discover that eth0 and eth1 are different from what they were when i shut down |
| 03:19.28 | Rizzer | announce, sorry |
| 03:19.31 | bucky | debianplanet.org is pretty good.. just found out about the stable/updates problem there |
| 03:20.25 | bucky | daesotho, do both use the same driver? |
| 03:20.31 | daesotho | not even |
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| 03:20.53 | laoye | ok, if my sources.list specify 'testing', and i do an apt-install update, i will be updating fr 'testing', not 'sarge', right? |
| 03:20.59 | san | i may be blonde & dumb ,but i cant understand a word u people r saying?????????? |
| 03:21.23 | Xenguy | san: watch and learn :-) |
| 03:21.25 | daesotho | one of them's a natsemi DP83815 and the other one's a realtek RTL-8139/C/+ |
| 03:21.32 | Rizzer | laoye: exactly right. So if you use that now, you'll be getting "etch" for the next months/years |
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| 03:22.00 | daesotho | are they numbered in the order that the drivers are loaded? |
| 03:22.00 | magyar | can someone enlighten me on " Debian ships with disabled security feature" |
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| 03:22.27 | Rizzer | you only really want to use stable if you have commercially sensitive production servers, where you really don't want them to be changing |
| 03:22.30 | bucky | daesotho, i think you can alias them with their respective drivers in /etc/modules.conf |
| 03:22.30 | Xenguy | magyar: meaning what? |
| 03:22.41 | |XO3| | offtopic: whats a good EASY way to a mesh network with multiple vpn devices in various locations? |
| 03:22.46 | san | i wouldn,t have a clue???? |
| 03:22.54 | mwilson | Xenguy: Some moron must be spouting off about the goofup in mastering the r0 images. |
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| 03:22.58 | magyar | Xenguy: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39195896,00.htm |
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| 03:23.01 | Xenguy | san: patience can do wonders ;-) |
| 03:23.06 | bucky | daesotho, or /etc/modutils/aliases i get confused on those |
| 03:23.13 | sparr_ | I am having a lot of trouble lately with "syntax errors" in makefiles, shell scripts, etc. I have never seen even 1/10th as many as I have seen in the last month. Just now I ran the 'configure' script for a program, and the Makefile it produced had a 'Missing seperator' on a line containing "if !DISABLE_NET". I do not know Makefile syntax, but that looks fine to my untrained eye. |
| 03:23.13 | sparr_ | I get the same sort of errors for random shell scripts, from binary program installers to long "one liners". I think something is very wrong with my system. Opinions, suggestions, insights? |
| 03:23.47 | mwilson | magyar: So it's too much trouble for you to actually read the article you link to, huh? Figures. |
| 03:23.52 | bucky | Xenguy, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00003.html |
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| 03:24.04 | Guerin | Rizzer: woody is supported by DSA for 12 months or until etch releases. |
| 03:24.05 | san | i love u all.....,,, |
| 03:24.07 | douglas | as long as my outgoing bw is constantly maxed out and my processor is >50% idle, there's not much reason to turn off hostnamelookups, right? |
| 03:24.10 | Xenguy | magyar bucky looks temporary AFAICT |
| 03:24.19 | bucky | i think so |
| 03:24.23 | Xenguy | mwilson: thanks :-) |
| 03:24.26 | daesotho | /etc/modutils/aliases is for /dev entries |
| 03:24.37 | exobyte | I have a python script that uses a module named Image. Is this a somewhat standard module? How can I add it |
| 03:24.43 | magyar | mwilson: i got the article but, do you belive in what you hear? |
| 03:24.47 | Rizzer | Guerin: oh ok. that would mean they'll make the updates (building for each architecture) by hand, I think |
| 03:24.54 | tcsetattr | sparr_, maybe you're trying to run GNU makefiles through BSD make, or vice versa? |
| 03:24.58 | bucky | daesotho, tell it which eth0 you want to use which driver |
| 03:25.15 | mwilson | magyar: Exactly what is that supposed to mean? |
| 03:25.17 | douglas | what's that ware to fire up the mouse in a console terminal? g something .. ? |
| 03:25.30 | sparr_ | tcsetattr: ok, ill buy that... im running GNU make 3.00 |
| 03:25.31 | jdhutchin1 | douglas, gpm |
| 03:25.31 | Guerin | Rizzer: nope. Supported by the buildds just the same. |
| 03:25.39 | douglas | nice thanx jd |
| 03:25.41 | daesotho | it doesnt look like there's anything like that in /etc/modutils/aliases |
| 03:25.42 | trave11er | sparr_: gnu make does not have an 'if' conditional, only 'ifeq' and 'ifneq', afair |
| 03:25.44 | magyar | mwilson: figures |
| 03:25.56 | Rizzer | Guerin: oh, I didn't know we could do that. Good news then. |
| 03:26.02 | mwilson | Ah, /ignore... |
| 03:26.10 | myren | oh thank god, i managed to remember one of my kerberos admin accounts |
| 03:26.12 | san | its just too much ,by by//// |
| 03:26.16 | myren | me == nearly pooched |
| 03:26.16 | bucky | daesotho, edit it and define which ethernet device you want to be 0 |
| 03:26.25 | bucky | or 1 |
| 03:26.28 | sparr_ | trave11er: that insight definitely helps... what make does? |
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| 03:26.44 | BullWeivel | alright...is it just me...or does the install floppies NOT have ping on them????? if not then how stupid is that? i mean if your having issues that is top numero uno tool to use. |
| 03:26.48 | BullWeivel | net problems that is |
| 03:26.50 | trave11er | sparr_: make is the program which processes the Makefiles |
| 03:27.01 | trave11er | sparr_: to do stuff :-) |
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| 03:27.16 | tcsetattr | something is wrong when you can generate 2 libraries having the same soname but no symbols in common. |
| 03:27.21 | monsoon | hi, it seems nvidia-kernel-source is not available... the amd64 howto directs me to install it if I want to isntall nvidia module |
| 03:27.43 | bucky | monsoon, it's on nvidia's site |
| 03:27.53 | sparr_ | trave11er: read my question again :-p |
| 03:27.57 | monsoon | ok thx bucky |
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| 03:28.02 | sparr_ | trave11er: and assume i have a firm grasp of english |
| 03:28.33 | jla | BullWeivel They probably dont. Is this a system without a CD-ROM? |
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| 03:28.46 | dondelelcaro | BullWeivel: the install floppies have limited amounts of space. There are loads of things which would be useful which they cannot contain. |
| 03:28.46 | trave11er | sparr_: sorry, how should i interpret 'what make does?' question? :-) |
| 03:29.15 | predator | 3.0 -> 3.1 problems, it removes dialog and whiptail by default, then tried readline then non interactive and fails to configure package |
| 03:29.21 | dondelelcaro | BullWeivel: they are designed for installing a system, not troubleshooting it. |
| 03:29.34 | daesotho | ooh |
| 03:29.35 | tcsetattr | don't let it remov dialog and whiptail |
| 03:29.36 | Guerin | trave11er: which version of make does (whatever) |
| 03:29.44 | trave11er | ahhh |
| 03:29.47 | daesotho | bucky:thanks!! |
| 03:29.50 | sparr_ | trave11er: well, you told me that gnu make didnt do it... so, of all the makes out there, which one handles that conditional? |
| 03:29.53 | bucky | np |
| 03:29.57 | trave11er | don't know much about bds make, sorry |
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| 03:30.00 | trave11er | err, bsd |
| 03:30.09 | dondelelcaro | predator: what removes dialog and whiptail? you mean debconf? |
| 03:30.12 | sparr_ | its not bsd |
| 03:30.13 | trave11er | primary make in debian is gnu make |
| 03:30.17 | douglas | if i'm looking to get a colo server serving clients mostly on the east coast, for latency purposes, i'd want to use an isp on the east coast on account of light speed not being that impressive, right ... |
| 03:30.17 | sparr_ | bsd spits out a LOT more errors |
| 03:30.17 | tcsetattr | sparr_, BSD make is available as "pmake" on Linux |
| 03:30.23 | sparr_ | tcsetattr: i know |
| 03:30.27 | sparr_ | this is not a bsd makefile |
| 03:30.34 | tcsetattr | sparr_, maybe you should have a chat with the idjit that wrote the non-portable Makefile |
| 03:30.47 | sparr_ | its not just this guy |
| 03:30.49 | trave11er | sparr_: is it some package which fails to build from source for you, or something else? |
| 03:30.53 | sparr_ | ive seen errors like this all month |
| 03:30.58 | sparr_ | makefile errors |
| 03:31.02 | sparr_ | shell script errors |
| 03:31.04 | sparr_ | etc |
| 03:31.06 | dondelelcaro | douglas: what exactly are you doing? transcontenental latency isn't that bad... |
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| 03:31.16 | sparr_ | trave11er: its a library called GiGi |
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| 03:31.21 | jla | sparr_ hardware dying? |
| 03:31.26 | douglas | dondelelcaro: among other things, letting people vnc in |
| 03:31.27 | sparr_ | hardware is fine |
| 03:31.36 | Guerin | douglas: not really. |
| 03:31.44 | trave11er | sparr_: is it packaged, or may be downloaded from somewhere? |
| 03:31.48 | dondelelcaro | douglas: that shouldn't matter then... unless you've got crappy links, the latency shouldn't ever get above 60ms |
| 03:31.49 | Guerin | douglas: anywhere in the US should be fine |
| 03:31.56 | monsoon | bucky: am I supposed to extract the nvidia installer file? |
| 03:31.56 | tcsetattr | OK, I will recompile everything that was using my /usr/local/.../libdb-4.2.so; this will be easier than figuring out how to wedge LD_LIBRARY_PATH into all the right places |
| 03:32.00 | predator | dondelelcaro I updated my apt, then install as I usually do, removed me a great bunch of packages |
| 03:32.09 | douglas | what kind of ping times are there across the ocean underwater and not in outer space |
| 03:32.14 | bucky | monsoon, i don't know... follow the howto |
| 03:32.16 | dondelelcaro | predator: uh, that would have been a bad move. |
| 03:32.18 | MrKeuner | where is the debian menu in panel located as a directory structure? |
| 03:32.18 | douglas | 60ms ?? ok cool |
| 03:32.45 | predator | dondelelcaro I know, I try fix this up, otherwise I might reinstall clean from a 3.1 cd |
| 03:32.48 | douglas | Any advice on where to shop around for good colo deals? i'm in manhattan nyc but i guess that's not material |
| 03:32.59 | tcsetattr | predator, you don't have to let apt-get (or aptitude) do everything it wants to do. If you see it wanting to remove dialog, tell it NO! |
| 03:33.03 | monsoon | bucky: ... thats what Im saying... the how to says to install nvidia-kernel-source with apt-get ... but its not in the repos |
| 03:33.06 | jla | sparr_ I missed it if you've said this. Have you tried booting a differnt setup on it, like some livecd, and seeing if it does the same? |
| 03:33.17 | sparr_ | jla: never mind |
| 03:33.20 | dondelelcaro | predator: so what is the exact issue you're struggling with now? |
| 03:33.31 | Guerin | predator: sid? |
| 03:33.31 | bucky | monsoon, try #debian-amd64 |
| 03:33.36 | monsoon | yah I have been |
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| 03:34.12 | douglas | oh sweet Jesus I love Debian |
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| 03:34.33 | douglas | debian is the closest distro to God |
| 03:34.43 | predator | Guerin woody to sarge |
| 03:34.50 | Supaplex | douglas++ |
| 03:34.51 | Guerin | !tranquilise douglas |
| 03:34.56 | dondelelcaro | predator: ok, but where exactly are you stuck now? |
| 03:35.03 | douglas | ahh thanks needed that |
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| 03:35.26 | predator | dondelelcaro just stating that apt(itude) should make a sanity list or something :p |
| 03:35.57 | tcsetattr | looks like predator wants to compain more than he wants help... a lot like me after this bumpy upgrade, actually |
| 03:36.20 | elz | I have installed woody with only the first cd, I wanna burn the 6 other cd (as I only have dialup at hme) so I can use apt-get to install software, how do I do a scan of the new cd? |
| 03:36.32 | Guerin | elz: don't use woody. |
| 03:36.44 | predator | tcsetattr I not complain, debian been so nice so far, thought this would be bad to happen to anyone not knowing much |
| 03:36.47 | dondelelcaro | predator: there's no such thing. If you tell it to remove something, it will gladly comply. The only saftey blanket is for things marked essential. |
| 03:36.55 | Guerin | elz: use sarge; order cds off the internet. |
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| 03:37.34 | tcsetattr | I did have the same problem, actually, somehow I ended up without dialog or whiptail and debconf was unable to ask me any questions. It didn't make much difference though, since the questions usually aren't important |
| 03:37.43 | predator | dondelelcaro I didn't told it anything, it decided by it self, |
| 03:37.53 | tcsetattr | I wasn't paying enough attention to notice why it got rid of whiptail/dialog |
| 03:38.06 | tcsetattr | I may have captured it in a typescript though... |
| 03:38.35 | dondelelcaro | predator: you told it to continue the upgrade after it told you that it was going to remove packages. You could have aborted right there. |
| 03:38.45 | samuel | good night all |
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| 03:39.05 | predator | last time I disagreed with apt it punished me with so many dependancies screens |
| 03:39.11 | K_Dallas | why on earth my xfontsel counts down to 0 and closes all by itself? |
| 03:39.24 | tcsetattr | I did the upgrade on 5 or 6 machines in the last 2 days, and they ALL required a few removals. |
| 03:39.35 | dondelelcaro | predator: stoping the upgrade is not disagreeing with apt. |
| 03:39.44 | douglas | i highly recommend packing a cd with this image on it: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.io |
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| 03:39.48 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: sure, but you look at the list, and ask yourself: "Does this look sane?" |
| 03:39.50 | tcsetattr | you can't say No to _all_ package removals... if you can get it down under 10, you've done good |
| 03:39.56 | K_Dallas | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) what is that? it is not a program that i have written? ;) |
| 03:39.57 | douglas | awesome installer, very solid, lets you pick kernels etc |
| 03:40.04 | BullWeivel | oh just fing great...the damn install isnt seeing the sata drives:( |
| 03:40.04 | douglas | only 32megs |
| 03:40.12 | tcsetattr | yeah, I checked them out, only once did I end up with no debconf :) |
| 03:40.49 | predator | douglas any stable 35 or 50 mb iso out there? |
| 03:41.00 | douglas | ... well, the business card image to install on boxes that have broadband |
| 03:41.04 | douglas | predator: i'll check |
| 03:41.19 | bucky | damn small linux ? |
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| 03:42.07 | douglas | predator: i'm pretty sure that the image lets you select between kernels and sid/sarge/etch or whatever on boot |
| 03:42.07 | tcsetattr | the new sshd prompt is freaking me out... it used to always say "foo@bar's password:", now it just says "Password:", "Response:" |
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| 03:42.14 | douglas | it's pretty good at autoprobing most things |
| 03:42.38 | douglas | you might just get sound and video working |
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| 03:43.02 | eric_ | debian_ah |
| 03:43.07 | kingsley_ | Good news: Linux Journal tells me that they'll publish my comparison of data compression tools. |
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| 03:43.20 | elz | bah... was apt-cdrom |
| 03:43.22 | ivan | non-us is part of main -- does that mean that there's no need for a non-us entry in apt sources.list? |
| 03:43.39 | bucky | !topicsmite ivan |
| 03:43.40 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ivan. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:43.46 | Warp4 | hi all. could anyone point me to where the KDE headers are located in Debian? I am trying to compile a view K apps but they ./configure script says that it cannot find the KDE headers. |
| 03:43.53 | dondelelcaro | ivan: that means that non-us is no more. |
| 03:43.55 | douglas | predator: if you use these net install isos, make sure you tell your bios to look for a cd boot image first |
| 03:44.00 | douglas | as that is sometimes not default |
| 03:44.10 | ivan | ok |
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| 03:44.35 | predator | douglas I know :) |
| 03:44.42 | douglas | word. |
| 03:44.47 | tezza | is it possible to run the X server without any mouse device attached to the machine? |
| 03:44.48 | bruce2005 | is there a uml kernel channel? |
| 03:44.49 | kingsley_ | Warp4: If you know the names of the header files, you should be able to find them at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. |
| 03:44.54 | grahamoz | does debian 3.1 have kernel 2.6 ? |
| 03:44.56 | douglas | tezza: yes |
| 03:45.04 | ivan | grahamoz, yes |
| 03:45.08 | K_Dallas | Warp4, kde-devel |
| 03:45.14 | grahamoz | what version |
| 03:45.16 | tezza | douglas, i try and it says no core pointer device found... and errors out |
| 03:45.25 | Warp4 | K_Dallas danke! :) |
| 03:45.25 | douglas | grahamoz i think yes and if it didn't just do some apt-cache searching for kernel-image and grab the latest of the latest |
| 03:45.26 | Guerin | !rtfrn |
| 03:45.27 | dpkg | from memory, rtfrn is Read the Funny Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 03:45.28 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 03:45.35 | ivan | grahamoz, 2.6.8 |
| 03:45.43 | rrt | what do i use to read word documents people keep sending me? I have sarge, do i need to install a whole office suite? Koffice, Staroffice? |
| 03:45.50 | Guerin | rrt: antiword |
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| 03:45.54 | grahamoz | because i'm installing off the cd and it says 2.4 |
| 03:45.55 | kingsley_ | bruce2005: http://searchirc.com/ |
| 03:46.13 | TimeKilla | Good evening: What command do I use to see what version of a bootloader i'm currently using? |
| 03:46.14 | bucky | rrt, OpenOffice |
| 03:46.18 | Guerin | grahamoz: you didn't read the damn instructions on the boot screen. Reboot and read them. |
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| 03:46.34 | douglas | tezza: either this is a window/desktop manager-specific thing or i told you a wrong answer |
| 03:46.35 | rrt | packages? |
| 03:46.39 | kingsley_ | rrt: I prefer abiword and openoffice. |
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| 03:46.47 | Supaplex | tezza: there was a factoid I saw about using the keypad as a pointing device, like shift+numlock |
| 03:46.51 | grahamoz | i'm just trying it in vmware |
| 03:46.56 | grahamoz | so no big deal |
| 03:46.57 | kingsley_ | TimeKilla: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 03:46.58 | rrt | antiword is just a reader right? |
| 03:46.58 | Guerin | abiword's doc handling is appalling |
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| 03:47.01 | bucky | kingsley_, does abiword open word files now? |
| 03:47.02 | monsoon | has anyone installed nvidia modules on debian amd64? |
| 03:47.04 | MonkeyINAbaG | heyas |
| 03:47.07 | douglas | tezza: you could always run vncserver |
| 03:47.07 | Solet-deb__ | my printer wont print, it says "Parallel port busy: will retry in 30 second..." in the cups webapp, is there a way i can see what it thinks that it is "busy" with? |
| 03:47.11 | Guerin | rrt: antiword converts it to text |
| 03:47.11 | tezza | yer i can't load up X at all though |
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| 03:47.22 | K_Dallas | opneoffice is the best bet |
| 03:47.25 | tezza | dpkg-reconfigure xfree-xserver86 |
| 03:47.32 | tezza | done that but still get the errors |
| 03:47.33 | kingsley_ | bucky: I haven't checked the latest version today, but its supposed to. |
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| 03:47.37 | K_Dallas | tezza, xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:47.41 | rrt | ah that could be good enought then because i just use gedit...:) |
| 03:47.48 | bucky | it didn't the last time i checked |
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| 03:47.59 | kingsley_ | Solet-deb__: I'm happy to report that I solved that exact problem last night. |
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| 03:48.11 | Solet-deb__ | kingsley: how? |
| 03:48.17 | tezza | K_Dallas that's what i meant ;oP |
| 03:48.24 | K_Dallas | ;) i know |
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| 03:48.47 | grahamoz | ah u type linux26 |
| 03:48.53 | rrt | are there packages for openoffice? |
| 03:48.53 | douglas | RIGHT. linux26 |
| 03:49.03 | K_Dallas | rrt, sure |
| 03:49.07 | TimeKilla | Hey, i've got both grub and lilo installed and can't tell which one i'm using. How can i make sure grub is the one being used? what command do i type to make grub the active bootloader? |
| 03:49.20 | bucky | rrt apt-cache search openoffice |
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| 03:49.36 | douglas | .. or just apt-install whichever kernel you want -- keep in mind there are different kernel versions of the same version number but for different processors (like amd versus amd xp-optomized) |
| 03:49.40 | Guerin | tezza: if you read man XF86Config-4, you'll see that there must be at least one corepointer |
| 03:49.47 | Supaplex | what's causing request-tracker's rtfm module to fail in this bug report? http://bugs.debian.org/312170 |
| 03:49.51 | Guerin | tezza: sorry, exactly one |
| 03:49.57 | kingsley_ | Solet-deb__: In my case, an extra program called "ptal-mlcd" was accessing the parallel port. I found it with "ps aux | grep lp". Killing off the extra process(es) solved the problem and I ended up purging a package to avoid the problem in the future. |
| 03:50.10 | kingsley_ | Solet-deb__: Does that make sense? |
| 03:50.11 | tezza | Guerin, yer but i don't have a mouse attached to the box, so what can i do ? |
| 03:50.19 | Guerin | tezza: you MAY be avle to override this with a cli switch, but you'd have to rtfm. Best just get a mouse. |
| 03:50.32 | Solet-deb__ | so the package ptal-mlcd messed up? |
| 03:50.32 | sbk | TimeKilla maybe something as trivial as dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 | strings -a ;-) |
| 03:50.39 | bucky | kingsley_, that's interesting.. which package did you purge? |
| 03:50.45 | dopey | TimeKilla: grub-install |
| 03:50.57 | MonkeyINAbaG | im having trouble using egroupware with apache-ssl, in fact, it breaks my apache-ssl when i try and configure it for the ssl server..... everytime i try and restart it it spits out this: Syntax error on line 19 of /etc/apache-ssl/conf.d/egroupware: Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 03:51.14 | dopey | MonkeyINAbaG: you need to enable php in your apache.. |
| 03:51.24 | kingsley_ | Solet-deb__: No, a ptal-mlcd was in a redundant printing package. |
| 03:51.28 | dopey | MonkeyINAbaG: tried installing the apache php package? |
| 03:51.33 | Guerin | !pixiessmite MonkeyINAbaG |
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| 03:51.58 | bucky | !pixiesmite MonkeyINAbaG |
| 03:52.00 | dopey | libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 03:52.13 | kingsley_ | Solet-deb__: In my case, the extra printing package was named hpoj, but you'll need to do "ps aux | grep lp" to find the offending program on your box. |
| 03:52.36 | Guerin | !pixiessmite $1 is <action> (sends $1's monkey to heaven|drives $1's car into the ocean|makes $1 dig for fire|bloodies $1's hand on a cactus tree|breaks $1's body, holds $1's bones|levitates $1) |
| 03:52.36 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 03:52.39 | kingsley_ | Gotta go. I'll be back in about 10 minutes. |
| 03:52.55 | MonkeyINAbaG | libapache2-mod-php4 is already the newest version. |
| 03:52.56 | Supaplex | !nutsmite Guerin |
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| 03:53.13 | dopey | MonkeyINAbaG: do you have it enabled? (somewhere in the package installation it asks if you want to enable it) |
| 03:53.20 | Guerin | mahaha, I'm rich! Now I just have to get out from under this cargo ship... |
| 03:53.29 | Solet-deb__ | kingsley_: can i paste the results i got into #flood so you can take a look? i dont know what should and shouldnt be on the list :/ |
| 03:53.35 | MonkeyINAbaG | im pretty sure i would have, hangon, ill try a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:53.39 | cthulfuego | MonkeyINAbaG: 'sudo a2enmod' |
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| 03:55.58 | MonkeyINAbaG | i dont think theres any php stuff in the modules its asking me if i want to load |
| 03:56.07 | MonkeyINAbaG | anyone know the name of the module im missing? |
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| 03:57.28 | dopey | MonkeyINAbaG: 'php4' ? have a look in /etc/apache2/mods-* |
| 03:57.44 | MonkeyINAbaG | its apache-ssl it works with apache2 |
| 03:57.45 | silverton | anyone know about gnome 2.10.1 in debian unstable? panels don't work :-/ |
| 03:57.46 | jasoncohen | mozilla-mplayer is compiled using --enable-x which doesn't allow menus or button support. this prevents the user from pausing or stopping the video as well as from saving the video or viewing it fullscreen. However, it was posted as a wishlist bug. Because of the clear loss of functionality shouldn't it be at least normal priority? Furthermore, the fix is only a matter of compiling with --enable-gtk2 |
| 03:57.52 | MonkeyINAbaG | but i want it to work over https |
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| 03:58.20 | jasoncohen | i replied to the bug saying that it should be considered more severe do the loss of functionality. apparently it wasn't being acted upon. was i correct? |
| 03:58.26 | mwilson | No. |
| 03:58.33 | mwilson | You were incorrect. |
| 03:58.38 | jasoncohen | why? |
| 03:58.45 | jasoncohen | *due to the loss |
| 03:58.57 | mwilson | "loss of functionality" means there's a problem that removed functionality that's supposed to be there. |
| 03:59.07 | mwilson | The package is the way it is on purpose. |
| 03:59.08 | dopey | did the maintainer comment on the priority level ? |
| 03:59.27 | jasoncohen | well...there is. mplayerplugin-in's default compile options are gtk2 |
| 03:59.33 | mwilson | So it's no more than wishlist ("I wish you'd compile it THIS way rather than THAT way, pretty please...") |
| 03:59.36 | jasoncohen | dopey, no- no response at all |
| 04:00.09 | mwilson | Personally, if it had controls that showed up when you used it, I'd file a bug to have them removed. |
| 04:00.19 | jasoncohen | mwilson, why? |
| 04:00.25 | jasoncohen | they're tiny and at the botoom |
| 04:00.27 | jasoncohen | *bottom |
| 04:00.38 | mwilson | Because it's no longer seamless. |
| 04:00.39 | jasoncohen | and without them you can't save the file or view it fullscreen |
| 04:01.07 | mwilson | See now why it's wishlist? |
| 04:01.14 | TimeKilla | ok, i'm having a hell of a time understanding the bootloaders. Here is my situation: I setup a small windows partition on my hdd. I didn't install windows, just sys'd the drive. I then installed debian and grub bootloader (it did not see my dos partition so didn't make any adjustments). Now i've installed LILO in hopes it would setup easy. Neither Lilo or Grub is friendly enough for me to use right now, despite the last 2 hours |
| 04:01.23 | mwilson | There's nothing wrong with the package, you just don't agree with the way it's built. |
| 04:01.23 | jasoncohen | all the built in plugins work that way. quicktime, realplayer etc, window media player etc. have some type of buttons |
| 04:01.58 | jasoncohen | i guess that's true |
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| 04:02.16 | kingsley_ | The false idol of parallel ports is back. |
| 04:02.33 | TimeKilla | ps; i'm afraid to reboot in case i'm screwed something up and can't get back in. |
| 04:02.42 | jasoncohen | oh well, i guess i'll just continue to compile myself |
| 04:02.56 | smacnay | jasoncohen: I tend to do that a lot with some apps |
| 04:02.59 | kingsley_ | Solet-deb__: Sure, #flood me. |
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| 04:03.09 | unco | anyone able to help with a round robin situation ? I have a primary on |
| 04:03.09 | unco | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.09 | unco | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.11 | unco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.26 | mwilson | <sarcasm> Yes, that'd be much easier than actually presenting a reasoned argument to the maintainer as to why you think it should be changed. </sarcasm> |
| 04:03.26 | jasoncohen | smacnay, i can't figure out how to get this one to build a .deb though |
| 04:03.50 | mwilson | Just how do you think things get done, anyway? |
| 04:03.55 | jasoncohen | mwilson, well, the maintainer didn't even RESPOND to the previous bug |
| 04:03.57 | smacnay | jasoncohen: I don't try to make some of these apps into .debs - they never work. |
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| 04:04.05 | mwilson | Were they required to? |
| 04:04.09 | jasoncohen | smacnay, why not? |
| 04:04.10 | Guerin | jasoncohen: apt-get source, apt-get build-dep, edit debian/rules; debian/rules binary |
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| 04:04.23 | dopey | jasoncohen: i'd suggest writing a good argument for it, and appending it to the bug report. |
| 04:04.33 | jasoncohen | ok |
| 04:04.34 | mwilson | If you agreed with the wishlist bug, did you add your arguments to it? |
| 04:04.37 | bucky | MonkeyINAbaG, did you set up ssl on apache2 ? |
| 04:04.41 | dopey | jasoncohen: maintainers are reasonable people |
| 04:04.57 | mwilson | Gods, people think things happen by magic, or that maintainers are mind-readers. |
| 04:05.00 | Guerin | jasoncohen: or at least requesting that there be a second package built with gtk2 so people can choose |
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| 04:05.09 | jasoncohen | mwilson, yes, i explained the loss in functionality and why i thought it would be more useful with gtk2 |
| 04:05.22 | jasoncohen | Guerin, that's a good idea |
| 04:05.35 | mwilson | There's no loss. You can't lose functionality that wasn't there in the first place. |
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| 04:06.05 | jasoncohen | mwilson, with the quality of the new movie trailers, i often watch them fullscreen. you can't do that without a menu/buttons. |
| 04:06.26 | jasoncohen | mwilson, oh, and if you don't stop the video first i find that it often kills firefox when i use the back button |
| 04:06.40 | jasoncohen | if i stop the video (which i can't do without buttons) i don't have that issue |
| 04:06.45 | mwilson | <shrug> Score another one for crapfox. |
| 04:07.09 | ethics | unco: so you want dns to work like dns? |
| 04:07.11 | dopey | jasoncohen: write up a good, non-flame argument, and let the maintainer deal with it. |
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| 04:07.22 | jasoncohen | well, i have only had problems with firefox and mozilla-mplayer. other than that it's stable |
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| 04:08.08 | Eclipser | try opening a pdf with acroread inside firefox and come back 12 hours later |
| 04:08.12 | jasoncohen | mwilson, perhaps the best solution would be to have menu support without buttons - keep the black bar at the bottom with the option to pause/stop/fullscreen, save from a right click |
| 04:08.21 | jasoncohen | Eclipser, works for me |
| 04:08.29 | Eclipser | I have 1GB swap use last time |
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| 04:08.33 | K_Dallas | Sound Q: I was reading my RuningLinux book and that was when i understood ALSA is the driver built in the kernel, 2.6+, and that ESD is the tool to allow simultaneous use of alsa by diff applications. How should i set ESD to do just that? thanks |
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| 04:08.46 | ndazza | Eclipser, try opening it with [xgk]pdf instead... |
| 04:08.46 | mwilson | Whyinhell do people think opening PDF's inside a browser is so neato? It's just annoying. |
| 04:09.08 | Eclipser | mwilson, opinions... |
| 04:09.10 | NcongruNt | anyone know what's up with the 404s when trying to update non-us? |
| 04:09.13 | markl_ | ok so what is the new name of the gnome panel now that it removed the gnome-panel package |
| 04:09.19 | K_Dallas | mwilson, agreed 10000% |
| 04:09.25 | Eclipser | I much rather have the PDFs safe online rather than on my harddrive |
| 04:09.26 | bucky | !topicsmite NcongruNt |
| 04:09.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon NcongruNt. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:09.28 | mwilson | NcongruNt: Couldn't be bothered to read the release notes, huh? Just too special? |
| 04:09.30 | tcsetattr | PDFs are annoying generally, unless you like everything on dead trees |
| 04:09.34 | Eclipser | since it usually takes about 1 second to open them anywway |
| 04:09.54 | kelan | NcongruNt: non-us doesnt exist anymore |
| 04:10.15 | mwilson | K_Dallas: Amen. |
| 04:10.25 | NcongruNt | being as i didn't change releases, why would i read release notes? |
| 04:10.51 | unco | ethics : well as I understood it, RR randomly generates the ordering of the hosts. I need a prioritised order so if the first isn't reachable the second is selected |
| 04:10.52 | K_Dallas | :):) |
| 04:10.57 | mwilson | Another clueless unstable user? |
| 04:10.58 | tcsetattr | I _read_ the release notes, and expected non-US to turn into 404's, but it didn't. Like a Heisenbug |
| 04:10.59 | zeeble | Eclipser: hehe. |
| 04:11.04 | bucky | they started phasing out non-us in may |
| 04:11.29 | Eclipser | zeeble, not funny... it jammed my system once |
| 04:11.30 | monsoon | screwballs... I followed the nvidia amd64 howto to install nvidia, followed it exactly, first it only created nvidia-kernel-*.deb , everything installs fine, but even after depmod -a , modprobe nvidia stills fails, modules not found |
| 04:11.41 | Eclipser | took 100% of ram and swap in about half a minute |
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| 04:11.48 | Eclipser | (1.5GB swap) |
| 04:11.55 | zeeble | Eclipser: woops. |
| 04:11.58 | mwilson | Why would you need to modprobe the nvidia module? |
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| 04:12.15 | ethics | unco: primary secondary nameservers in resolve normally works fine.....your running something special re DNS |
| 04:12.49 | ndazza | Eclipser, try setting sensible per-process limits |
| 04:12.58 | unco | ethics: yer, I want to roundrobbin a webserver, but I don't want it to be load balanced, I want it to be failover |
| 04:13.07 | zeeble | Anyone know where to find the versions of packages in the nightly Debian-Netinstall image? |
| 04:13.23 | cat | zeeble: tasksel |
| 04:13.42 | Eclipser | ndazza, too tired now |
| 04:13.53 | zeeble | cat: ? the image is on the debian servers.. i just want to find the versions of some packages it has.. |
| 04:13.56 | ndazza | Eclipser, well whack it on the todo list :) |
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| 04:14.09 | Eclipser | good idea |
| 04:14.19 | Agrajag- | unco: lvs + keepalived? |
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| 04:14.29 | unco | Agrajag- : ??? |
| 04:14.38 | Eclipser | I have to be up for about 1.5h... after that I can finally go to sleep... assuming I skip my classes today |
| 04:14.48 | zeeble | what is the debian-installer channel? |
| 04:14.57 | Eclipser | #d-i ? |
| 04:15.00 | Eclipser | (wild guess) |
| 04:15.16 | zeeble | nope. i'm the only one there. |
| 04:15.19 | ndazza | speaking of classes... i have an exam tomorrow... better go :D |
| 04:15.20 | unco | Agrajag- : the problem with using alot of failover stuff that can be used on linux is that the webservers are both windows boxes and one of the nameservers is a windows box |
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| 04:15.20 | laoye | i am running 4.3 of xfree86. is this the latest for 'testing'? |
| 04:15.25 | Agrajag- | unco: well you use lvs and only have one realserver, and use keepalived for failover to add a server if it isn't reachable. not entirely sure, because i haven't done it, but that might work for what you want? |
| 04:15.45 | unco | yep sorry lvs just clicked |
| 04:15.53 | NcongruNt | thanks for the info, anyhow |
| 04:15.57 | ReVisions | hey, i installed licq now but he goes up with gtk1 and not with qt (and i insatlled licq-plugin-qt too) someone knows y? |
| 04:16.02 | unco | but the abose explination is why I can't use it:( |
| 04:16.07 | Rizzer | zeeble: #debian-boot ? |
| 04:16.22 | zeeble | Rizzer: thanks. |
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| 04:16.37 | laoye | i remember reading sometime back that debian is not 'supporting' xfree86 anymore, and upgrade has to be done thro' a backport. is this still true? |
| 04:16.38 | mith | do netgroups not work with libnss-ldap and compat mode? I get users added to getent passwd when I add +:::::: to /etc/passwd, but when I add +@netgroup-defined-in-ldap:::::: noone in the netgroup gets added? |
| 04:16.41 | Agrajag- | ReVisions: start with -p kde-gui |
| 04:16.41 | ethics | can someone explain to me why mplayer packages are elsewhere but we have packages specifically for an app we wont package? |
| 04:16.45 | Agrajag- | ReVisions: or -p qt-gui |
| 04:17.05 | Agrajag- | ReVisions: sounds like you have an old version though |
| 04:17.43 | Rizzer | laoye: sarge was released with xfree86 4.3, and it remains in unstable (and therefore testing) for the time being |
| 04:17.52 | MantiX | hi all |
| 04:18.09 | ethics | i understand the licensing is the reason marillat is there but really thats a bit silly isnt it? |
| 04:18.16 | MantiX | how do i config supermount? my kernel is 2.4.7 testing |
| 04:18.30 | Rizzer | laoye: work is underway to complete support for X.org. When X.org is released into unstable, then xfree86 will be kicked out |
| 04:18.37 | ethics | mantix 2.4.7?????? |
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| 04:18.53 | ReVisions | licq -p qt-gui steall gtk1 |
| 04:19.11 | laoye | Rizzer, thks. |
| 04:19.22 | Agrajag- | ReVisions: what version are you using? |
| 04:19.25 | Rizzer | laoye: but xfree86 in stable will continue to be supported for as long as sarge is table |
| 04:19.25 | MantiX | ops |
| 04:19.33 | ReVisions | 1.3.0 |
| 04:19.45 | BullWeivel | dpkg sata install |
| 04:19.48 | Agrajag- | did you do "licq -p qt-gui"?? |
| 04:19.49 | unco | so does anyone have any idea about restricting round robin to give ordered responses |
| 04:19.50 | unco | ? |
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| 04:19.55 | ReVisions | yea |
| 04:20.00 | ReVisions | runs with gtk1 |
| 04:20.05 | MantiX | kernel 2.4.27 |
| 04:20.07 | tcsetattr | unco, I suggest you look up "round robin" in a dictionary. |
| 04:20.28 | ethics | BullWeivel, sata problems? |
| 04:20.39 | tcsetattr | "round robin" means taking turns. Failover is not "round robin". |
| 04:20.45 | BullWeivel | ethics: yeah fing debian WONT install on the damn box :( |
| 04:20.48 | MantiX | anyone may help me? |
| 04:20.51 | BullWeivel | ethics... 2 hours later |
| 04:20.58 | BullWeivel | starting to get pissed off. |
| 04:21.04 | ethics | Mantix: you mean lide automounting cdroms etc |
| 04:21.05 | MantiX | my supermount simply doesnt works |
| 04:21.13 | MantiX | yes |
| 04:21.18 | ReVisions | Agrajag-, any other ideas? ;o< |
| 04:21.28 | MantiX | i edited fstab |
| 04:21.29 | cat | MantiX: apt-cdrom is a good way to mount you'r cdroms (: |
| 04:21.29 | Agrajag- | ReVisions: join #licq |
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| 04:21.55 | BullWeivel | hrmm... where is a 2.6 image for floppy install??? |
| 04:21.59 | MantiX | but an advice says "kernel imcompatible" |
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| 04:22.14 | bob2 | MantiX: what does "uname -r" print? |
| 04:22.24 | ethics | MantiX, try gnome-volume-manager....its how some of usz do it |
| 04:22.26 | tcsetattr | supermount is a Mandrake thing, ain't it? |
| 04:22.28 | MantiX | bob2: ? |
| 04:22.32 | mith | this is really really odd |
| 04:22.38 | bob2 | MantiX: run that command. what does it print. |
| 04:22.43 | bob2 | tcsetattr: I think they wrote it, yeah |
| 04:22.47 | bob2 | it's not in the mainline kernel |
| 04:22.50 | erps | Off question... I have an old imap directory off of my old server. How can I send all of the stored mail back to myself? New server uses POP.. Is there any way I can batch job this all to myself through my SMTP server or something? |
| 04:22.52 | tcsetattr | did supermount make it into Linus's kernel? |
| 04:23.14 | mith | +:::::: will add all ldap users, +user:::::: will add the given ldap user, inverse for - and -user, but -@netgroup:::::: just doesn't appear to do anything |
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| 04:23.22 | bob2 | erps: use mutt to access the imap folder. hit ;b, then your address and enter |
| 04:23.23 | unco | tcsetattr : I suggest you look up rrset-order |
| 04:23.25 | MantiX | 2.4.27-2-K7 |
| 04:23.30 | bob2 | erps: it will bounce it all to you |
| 04:23.33 | erps | bob2, awesome, thanks :) |
| 04:23.34 | bob2 | tcsetattr: no, it's a nasty hack |
| 04:23.42 | BullWeivel | anyone know where a floppy install for 2.6 kernel is at ??? |
| 04:23.44 | MantiX | supermount is a kernel module, isnt? |
| 04:24.39 | bucky | what do you want to do... automount? |
| 04:24.40 | silverton | does the D-i have any changed made to it? |
| 04:24.44 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.49 | MantiX | yes |
| 04:24.54 | bucky | am-utils |
| 04:24.59 | sbk | TimeKilla are you able to make yourself a boot floppy? [mkboot] |
| 04:25.00 | tcsetattr | unco, I believe "rrset"" there is an abbreviation of "Resource Record set", since "Resource Record" is a term used in the DNS RFCs |
| 04:25.00 | MantiX | its for my work, the desktop machines |
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| 04:25.08 | MantiX | people was using windows |
| 04:25.10 | bob2 | MantiX: so, you're trying to get things to automount on sarge? |
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| 04:25.27 | unco | tcsetattr : rrset-order lets you set the order multiple A records (Round Robin) are returned on |
| 04:25.29 | MantiX | then they put a diskette and take out without mount/unnmount |
| 04:25.29 | unco | in even |
| 04:25.38 | MantiX | this cause some problems... |
| 04:25.40 | smacnay | jasoncohen: well, now my nvidia module won't compile/install - hehe |
| 04:25.45 | bob2 | MantiX: they really still use floppy disks? |
| 04:25.50 | MantiX | bob2: yes |
| 04:26.04 | ethics | MantiX, try gnome-volume-manager....its how some of usz do it |
| 04:26.05 | douglas | when apache does a hostname lookup and runs named, does it cache or does it recheck each hit from the same ip? |
| 04:26.14 | tcsetattr | I see no indication that "rrset-order" has anything to do with "Round Robin". In fact, it specifically says that "rrset-order cyclic" is round robin behavior. The other options a therefore NOT round robin. |
| 04:26.15 | ethics | unless bob2 has a kernel option |
| 04:26.27 | bob2 | douglas: you mean if you have a local named? |
| 04:26.28 | sbk | TimeKilla You can also make yourself a simple grub boot floppy so you can make sure you can boot in via a floppy if necessary [assuming your box can boot via a floppy :-)] cat /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 > /dev/fd0 (or wherever your floppy device resides) |
| 04:26.29 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: since you asked, http://wiki.debian.net/?lwe2005 |
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| 04:26.43 | douglas | bob2: apparently, it pops up when i run top |
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| 04:26.51 | ethics | can someone explain to me why mplayer packages are elsewhere but we have packages specifically for an app we wont package? |
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| 04:27.00 | ethics | in apt |
| 04:27.08 | bob2 | tcsetattr: entirely missed what the conversation was about, but bind by default returns them in a static order, as you say |
| 04:27.19 | BullWeivel | where are the install floppies that include the 2.6 kernel ????????? |
| 04:27.20 | bob2 | ethics: anyone can package anything they like |
| 04:27.25 | douglas | bob2: i never got "permission" from someone else running dns to link up .. maybe my local named performs the operation remotely |
| 04:27.33 | ethics | bob2: in official repositries? |
| 04:27.35 | douglas | as a web browser would |
| 04:27.35 | bob2 | ethics: no |
| 04:27.40 | tcsetattr | I'm not sure what the conversation is about either, I'm just trying to correct some misuse of the term "round robin" |
| 04:27.43 | erps | bob2, hmm, it's only bouncing one message at a time. Can I make it select all and bounce them all? |
| 04:27.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell ethics about mplayer legal saga |
| 04:27.49 | bob2 | ethics: mplayer isn't in debian because the authors are morons and took years to comply with their own license |
| 04:27.51 | erps | not familiar with mutt :p |
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| 04:28.18 | douglas | mplayer's overrated anyway |
| 04:28.19 | bob2 | ethics: a version with all the actively-enforced-patent-encumbered stuff could go in now, and is in the queue of new packages |
| 04:28.20 | dondelelcaro | erps: use t to tag, then a to apply an action to the selection. |
| 04:28.32 | dondelelcaro | erps: alternatively, use T to tag a pattern, and a to apply an action. |
| 04:28.32 | bob2 | ethics: oh, duh me, sorry. T.;b |
| 04:28.32 | ethics | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.37 | erps | thanks |
| 04:28.49 | dondelelcaro | erps: this assumes you're using the same keybindings as I am, of course. Use ? (or whatever the help key is) to verify. |
| 04:29.05 | erps | using the defaults, it worked, thanks :) |
| 04:29.06 | jasoncohen | smacnay, it won't compile? |
| 04:29.37 | ethics | im not worried about it but if we dont have the main app why would we have plugins....or should that be xineplugins i wonder... |
| 04:29.44 | dondelelcaro | ethics: yes, that package is in contrib. contrib packages often Depend: on things that aren't even in Debian. |
| 04:29.56 | smacnay | jasoncohen: all seems to work well - won't load |
| 04:29.57 | dondelelcaro | !+info mozilla-mplayer |
| 04:29.58 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:30.06 | jasoncohen | smacnay, read this page- http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 04:30.06 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.80-2 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 04:30.18 | ethics | dondelelcaro, ahh i c so the accepted lists is not just main its all of it... |
| 04:30.31 | jasoncohen | smacnay, what happens when you do modprobe nvidia |
| 04:30.38 | ethics | dondelelcaro, that makes good sense then.....mental understanding acheived |
| 04:30.40 | dondelelcaro | ethics: I have no idea what you mean by "accepted" |
| 04:30.53 | jasoncohen | smacnay, and you're using the nvidia driver- not nv in XF86Config-4 ? |
| 04:31.00 | erps | dondelelcaro, working like a charm, thanks a ton |
| 04:31.01 | smacnay | jasoncohen: for another day - I need to sleep -take care. - no module found |
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| 04:31.05 | dondelelcaro | erps: np |
| 04:31.07 | smacnay | pretty sure |
| 04:31.19 | nebetsu | heya everyone |
| 04:31.39 | jasoncohen | smacnay, oh, there's one more step |
| 04:31.56 | jasoncohen | smacnay, apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 04:32.14 | ethics | dondelelcaro, the accepted to testling list with near 789 packages that rolled into etc last night.....cant remember the link |
| 04:32.27 | smacnay | jasoncohen: already there |
| 04:32.47 | dondelelcaro | ethics: that just means that they're now in testing. That also lists things in non-free, FE. |
| 04:33.12 | smacnay | jasoncohen: needed to run depmod manually - now it works |
| 04:33.14 | jasoncohen | smacnay, so you ahve nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-`(uname -r)` installed |
| 04:33.17 | smacnay | jasoncohen: good night |
| 04:33.22 | jasoncohen | smacnay, ah, goodnight |
| 04:33.23 | ethics | dondelelcaro, yeah i worked out most of them np the mplayerplugins one just had me stumped....contrib makes sense to |
| 04:33.40 | Solet-deb__ | how can i remove the printer "Koshi-Rikudo@:64" from the list of printers in mozilla? my printer is Koshi-Rikudo but i want the "Postscript/Koshi-Rikudo" to be the default selection |
| 04:34.07 | jasoncohen | ethics, i think you're thinking of http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
| 04:34.36 | nebetsu | So my computer programming teacher thinks you guys might be able to help me with my problem. |
| 04:34.53 | nebetsu | I'm trying to compile a kernel and it wont see my hard drive |
| 04:35.00 | nebetsu | my dad has had the same problem with debian |
| 04:35.06 | nebetsu | but not with other distros |
| 04:35.09 | bob2 | nebetsu: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 04:35.18 | TimeKilla | whats the command to see how much space is left on my hdd? |
| 04:35.24 | ApTek | df |
| 04:35.25 | bob2 | TimeKilla: df -h |
| 04:35.29 | TimeKilla | thanx |
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| 04:35.38 | ethics | jasoncohen, yeah thats it...hehe its bookmarked at home hehe |
| 04:35.57 | nebetsu | bob2: FATX support |
| 04:36.03 | bob2 | which is? |
| 04:36.07 | nebetsu | a file system |
| 04:36.10 | nebetsu | that xbox uses |
| 04:36.18 | nebetsu | you know: the whole "xbox-linux" project |
| 04:36.22 | bob2 | try #xbox-linux on irc.oftc.net |
| 04:36.27 | nebetsu | that's not my problem |
| 04:36.32 | nebetsu | my problem is with debian |
| 04:36.36 | bob2 | well, if you're using xebian, it is |
| 04:36.39 | bob2 | since it's not debian |
| 04:36.42 | nebetsu | no I'm not using xebian |
| 04:36.47 | dondelelcaro | nebetsu: the standard reasons are 1) you haven't compiled in support for the rootfs. 2) you haven't compiled in support for your harddrive controller. 3) you haven't specified the root properly. |
| 04:37.13 | nebetsu | how would I check those? |
| 04:37.17 | TimeKilla | hey, when i do an apt-get install gnome it says i got to download 185 mb of data of archives... is there a slimmer download available without all the features? |
| 04:37.29 | bob2 | TimeKilla: gnome-core, perhaps |
| 04:37.30 | dondelelcaro | nebetsu: none of these have anything particularly to do with Debian, since Debian itself hasn't started until the rootfs has loaded. |
| 04:37.37 | TimeKilla | thanx bob |
| 04:37.41 | dondelelcaro | s/loaded/been mounted and init executed./ |
| 04:37.50 | bruce2005 | hi, trying to install uml |
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| 04:38.04 | ethics | netbetsu what exactly are you having problems with? |
| 04:38.09 | bruce2005 | should u patch the uml to the kernel source? |
| 04:38.14 | bruce2005 | *i |
| 04:38.16 | jasoncohen | heh, now i'm having a real mozilla-mplayer problem. it buffers to 25% and then sits there |
| 04:38.25 | ethics | netbug, <runx xebian occasionally when not playing games |
| 04:38.33 | nebetsu | Compiled kernel and it wont see the hard drive, so it cant load modules and can't make a log |
| 04:38.45 | bob2 | so, option (2) |
| 04:38.54 | Eclipser | I have to go take a couple of hours nap |
| 04:39.01 | JoshH | nebetsu: did you say Y to the driver for the root filesystem like dondelelcaro mentioned? |
| 04:39.19 | nebetsu | just a sec I'll check |
| 04:39.21 | ethics | jasoncohen, you may be able to trick things......mozilla to xmms....xmms-mplayer plugin...... |
| 04:39.39 | ethics | jason that way you get buttons....it a hackaround |
| 04:39.46 | streuner | nebetsu: grep -i initrd your_kernel_config |
| 04:39.53 | K_Dallas | i see esound daemon and jack sound server. which one should i install to get shared sound driver for my Sarge-26+ ? thanks |
| 04:40.17 | ethics | nebetsu, why did you compile a kernel? |
| 04:40.17 | Azar | guys I am having a trivial issue with my LCD monitor autoshut off g at a certain interval is there a way to configure it not to do that? |
| 04:40.31 | nebetsu | streuner: what will that do? |
| 04:40.38 | dondelelcaro | Azar: turn of dpms using xset |
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| 04:40.56 | Azar | thanks dondelecaro |
| 04:40.58 | ethics | Azar DPMS......and turn the bios crap off |
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| 04:41.18 | streuner | nebetsu: greps your kernel_configuration_file for INITRD? |
| 04:41.21 | streuner | !initrd |
| 04:41.21 | dpkg | i heard initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 04:41.29 | Azar | ethics you talk about the bios settings at bootup? |
| 04:41.42 | bob2 | Rsen8: /topic |
| 04:41.42 | K_Dallas | Rsen8, try #debian-kde |
| 04:41.52 | Rsen8 | I ask because apt-get is a debian thing |
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| 04:41.59 | Rsen8 | ok |
| 04:42.02 | JoshH | nebetsu: honestly what you should do is start out with the same config as the debian kernel, and then add what you need from there |
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| 04:42.06 | ethics | Azar yeah...they have a apm section in there....most turn it off and use software |
| 04:42.07 | bob2 | Rsen8: you're not using Debian? |
| 04:42.11 | streuner | nebetsu: if you have it enabled you have to an initrd.img as well... |
| 04:42.16 | nebetsu | JoshH: I did that! |
| 04:42.23 | Azar | ethics, cool thanks |
| 04:42.39 | JoshH | nebetsu: your root fs is probably a module, in which case you need an initrd like streuner is saying |
| 04:42.48 | JoshH | nebetsu: i recommend changing it from M to Y |
| 04:42.54 | JoshH | but im biased against initrd's |
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| 04:42.58 | Rsen8 | I am- but it's not the right place to ask here- sorry |
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| 04:43.21 | nebetsu | the one that says: Root file system on NFS? |
| 04:43.26 | evand | I'm having a weird kdm problem: when I boot, it shows the login screen properly. I log in, the screen goes away like it's about to start loading KDE, and then the login screen reappears and nothing happens. If I log in from the console and then startx, everything works fine. Ideas? |
| 04:43.27 | JoshH | no |
| 04:43.30 | streuner | nebetsu: or you just disable that in your kernel-config and say to all important modules like dondelelcaro already mentioned Y. |
| 04:43.39 | JoshH | what is your root filesystem? ext3, reiserfs, xfs, etc |
| 04:43.41 | kdawg | I see the 8Jun05 DWN is on the website but I didn't get my e-mail copy. Have others received theirs? |
| 04:43.53 | nebetsu | ext3 |
| 04:44.24 | bruce2005 | has anyone installed the uml kernel? i'm trying to patch the uml to kernel source but doesn't work. can i just install a uml kernel without buildin or compilin anything |
| 04:44.27 | streuner | nebetsu: minix, ext2 and ext3: to all Y - not as module |
| 04:44.33 | JoshH | nebetsu: grep EXT3 /your/kernel/.config |
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| 04:44.39 | Azar | evand I had same problem with an improper fehbg setup in xsession, it was looking for the file but could not find it |
| 04:44.55 | evand | Azar: fehbg? |
| 04:45.04 | Azar | evand see what your xsession configuration is looking like |
| 04:45.15 | Azar | fehbg is my desktop background image |
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| 04:46.05 | Azar | xsession is having instructions for startup and if any of the configuration is not properly setup, will fail to load |
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| 04:46.27 | RainbowW | is there a suggested debian version for laptops? i have an old dell p3 (latitude ls) and i need usb1 and 2 (compaq-branded card), pcmcia, and 802.11b/g (netgear or us robotics). sid or sarge/etch? |
| 04:46.34 | JoshH | Azar: pastebin your .xsession |
| 04:46.42 | evand | Azar: huh. I haven't touched it. would it be /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop? |
| 04:46.50 | JoshH | RainbowW: sarge, sid, or ubuntu |
| 04:46.50 | streuner | RainbowW: what model do you have? |
| 04:47.00 | RainbowW | streuner: dell latitude ls |
| 04:47.09 | Azar | evand /etc/X11/xsession |
| 04:47.09 | nebetsu | ok I'll try that |
| 04:47.18 | Azar | or Xsession |
| 04:47.18 | JoshH | RainbowW: sarge and sid will probably be identical when it comes to setupj |
| 04:47.18 | nebetsu | thanks guys for the help |
| 04:47.22 | nebetsu | exit |
| 04:47.23 | nebetsu | oops |
| 04:47.25 | JoshH | nebetsu: what did you do |
| 04:47.31 | evand | Azar: ah, missed the uppercase X |
| 04:47.36 | Azar | JoshH, I fixed mine now is going ok |
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| 04:48.01 | Azar | evand cat or less it and look for any unusual setting |
| 04:48.14 | bruce2005 | has anyone installed the uml kernel? i'm trying to patch the uml to kernel source but doesn't work. can i just install a uml kernel without buildin or compilin anything |
| 04:48.18 | RainbowW | JoshH: hmm. i maintain a sid mirror here at my house ... but i don't mirror sarge and don't plan to. still, i can't afford to break the laptop obviously. |
| 04:48.27 | ethics | you know...if hed answered my question i would have told him fatX wont go on a PC... |
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| 04:48.50 | JoshH | RainbowW: well, sid breaks once in a while, thats how it is. |
| 04:48.57 | aleman | helo people |
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| 04:49.19 | aleman | has anyone been having trouble with the repositories? |
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| 04:49.35 | dondelelcaro | aleman: no, not really. What's the issue? |
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| 04:50.10 | aleman | Since the release of sarge I can't update my sources |
| 04:50.22 | evand | Azar: I don't see anything, but I don't really know what to look for. Is use-ssh-agent in Xsession.options normal? |
| 04:50.22 | jla | aleman error about security archives? |
| 04:50.33 | streuner | JoshH: since when is ubuntu a version of debian? |
| 04:50.34 | aleman | I changed that |
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| 04:50.42 | jla | aleman what error? |
| 04:50.49 | aleman | but now I'm not able to download anything |
| 04:51.03 | JoshH | streuner: its not of course, but i do hear its great for laptops, so i thought id mention it. |
| 04:51.07 | Azar | evand, what is your X usually loading at startup? any images or some kind of custom configuration? |
| 04:51.12 | jla | aleman were you stable or testing before the switch, or already sarge? |
| 04:51.17 | aleman | after hitting every site it downloads 0 bits |
| 04:51.23 | RainbowW | does the sarge installer kernel support 802.11g nics? |
| 04:51.31 | streuner | JoshH: we prefer debian to mention here... |
| 04:51.32 | aleman | I was testing before the release of sarge |
| 04:51.43 | JoshH | streuner: great, ill make a note of that. |
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| 04:51.52 | jla | aleman odd. plenty of space in /var? |
| 04:52.04 | RainbowW | aelman: testing == sarge until sarge released earlier this week. you're now essentially stable. if you stick to "testing" you'll track etch. |
| 04:52.04 | aleman | yep, never been a problem... |
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| 04:52.13 | evand | Azar: basically just the default KDE stuff. It reloads the last KDE session config (ie open programs and such), but that's it |
| 04:52.24 | spencerk | is there somewhere where i can see whats on the 3rd or 4rth cds? |
| 04:52.29 | ethics | joshH yep its better than debian for laptops if you need certain things but its less stable than debian with a correct compiled bios for it |
| 04:52.29 | streuner | RainbowW: what does ig say about? |
| 04:52.47 | RainbowW | streuner: what does what say about what? |
| 04:52.47 | aleman | RAimbow, I; aware of that |
| 04:52.57 | Azar | evand, oh KDE, I never used it I have no idea how it looks like it might try to load something I am not familiar with |
| 04:53.15 | streuner | !tell RainbowW about ig |
| 04:53.19 | jla | aleman aleman I have mine set to 'sarge' and am using ftp.us.debian.org mirrors through apt-proxy. seems to be working fine |
| 04:53.19 | evand | Azar: the part that confuses me is that it loads fine from startx |
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| 04:53.32 | JoshH | ethics: i actually think ubuntu is pretty buggy, much moreso than sid, based on my experience with it, its advantage is that it often sets up wireless and other laptop features out of the box. |
| 04:53.36 | aleman | ok, thanks! |
| 04:53.43 | evand | Azar: hmm, it looks like KDE is actually trying to load a nonexistant background image... that might be it |
| 04:53.43 | aleman | I'll see what I can do... |
| 04:53.44 | Azar | evand maybe because your KDE tries to load something that does not work properly |
| 04:53.47 | JoshH | i wouldnt use it personally |
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| 04:54.09 | evand | Azar: ok, so is there an easy way to test this (ie without rebooting)? |
| 04:54.13 | aleman | oh, one more: what is the security repository for etch? |
| 04:54.16 | TwistedEmotions | xmms |
| 04:54.23 | TwistedEmotions | whoops. |
| 04:54.24 | dondelelcaro | aleman: there isn't one. |
| 04:54.25 | jla | aleman none yet that I've heard |
| 04:54.27 | TwistedEmotions | wrong window. |
| 04:54.31 | Azar | evand you can use "feh" to acquire an image then instruct it in Xsession to autoload it at every startup |
| 04:54.33 | aleman | cool thanks! |
| 04:55.42 | Azar | evand I have downloaded few sample images in my user directory and I put the background with feh command : feh --bg-scale "filename.jpg" without quotes ofcourse |
| 04:56.38 | caphuso | those quotes won't hurt |
| 04:57.27 | evand | Azar: neat |
| 04:57.30 | Azar | evand sorry the correct setting is feh --bg-scale /home/"user"/images/filename.jpg where images is the directory I created to hold images |
| 04:57.52 | streuner | RainbowW: http://www.met.ed.ac.uk/~hcp/lst.html |
| 04:58.02 | bruce2005 | need help, has anyone installed the uml kernel? |
| 04:58.11 | Azar | then you go on Xsession in /etc/X11 with your editor and edit this line to look like so : USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession eval `cat $HOME/.fehbg` |
| 04:58.25 | Azar | this will autoload the background image |
| 04:58.56 | evand | Azar: ok, I may try it out at some point. though KDE backgrounds work fine for what I care about :) |
| 04:59.17 | ethics | joshh...well sids gonna be broken for a while in the next 6-12 months if they keep DIST-Upgrading like they have been |
| 04:59.28 | Azar | evand then correct the line where your KDE tries to load that image you talked about |
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| 04:59.55 | JoshH | sid has always been broken often for people who dist-upgrade instead of upgrade |
| 05:00.29 | Solet-deb__ | does anyone have any idea how to get my promise technologies fasttrak3 onboard raid/ata/sata working lspci shows it as a "pdc20378" |
| 05:01.16 | streuner | Solet-deb__: try /msg dpkg sata (faq) |
| 05:01.41 | Solet-deb__ | streuner: i dont need the sata working i need the ata working :P |
| 05:01.49 | BullWeivel | what floppy install disks have 2.6 kernel on them? or better yet how can i start with a regular floppy and then get the 2.6 kernel while doing the install...all i have to install with is a floppy and SATA drives which it appears only work with 2.6 easily. |
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| 05:02.03 | Solet-deb__ | its an onboard controller with 1 ide controller and 4 sata's thats raid ready |
| 05:02.18 | evand | Azar: I corrected it in the KDE config by turning it off... still no luck |
| 05:02.24 | JoshH | BullWeivel: cant you just download the netinst iso? its only 100 megs and it lets you pick 2.6 |
| 05:02.28 | evand | Azar: I'll poke around a bit more. |
| 05:02.32 | simonrvn | must be the newness to me, but postfix is a PITA to get it to remove a message from the queue and keep it off the queue. it keeps insistingtrying to send it even if i remove it from the queue.... sheesh. you'd think it would listen |
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| 05:02.56 | spencerk | is there somewhere where i can see whats on the individual images before i download them? |
| 05:03.09 | BullWeivel | JoshH: doesnt net install required a CD rom ?? |
| 05:03.09 | streuner | simonrvn: yeah :-) |
| 05:03.09 | spencerk | like the 3rd and 4rth ones |
| 05:03.15 | JoshH | yes |
| 05:03.28 | kevinz | I move gnome panel to left hand side but now I don't know how to call out the "gnome panel properties" window in order to change it back to bottom :S |
| 05:03.28 | JoshH | if you dont have one, im sorry |
| 05:03.40 | simonrvn | exim4 quickie remove, and stays removed: exim4 -Mrm $MSG_ID |
| 05:03.40 | BullWeivel | JoshH: yeah no CD rom available to write to right now. |
| 05:03.43 | streuner | Solet-deb__: so what is it actually? ATA Controller or SATA Controller? |
| 05:04.01 | Solet-deb__ | streuner: it is quite both |
| 05:04.02 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
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| 05:04.20 | simonrvn | oh well. docs never hurt anyone. and i did install it to learn from it |
| 05:05.02 | streuner | Solet-deb__: promise IDE support is well supported in 2.6.x kernels, if you have still problems i would read SATA FAQ then... |
| 05:05.18 | BullWeivel | SATA faq??? |
| 05:05.20 | Azar | simonrvn, where do the docs reside, I want to read them |
| 05:05.41 | simonrvn | apt-get install postfix-doc, dpkg -L $package1 $package2 |
| 05:06.49 | Solet-deb__ | streuner: what will the devices on that ide controller show up as? |
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| 05:09.06 | evand | Azar: huh, it leaves "Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused |
| 05:09.06 | evand | Azar: in my .xsession-errors |
| 05:10.10 | Azar | evand I was about to tell you about ~/.xsession-errors |
| 05:10.31 | Azar | evand are you using xdm? |
| 05:10.44 | evand | Azar: kdm, though I suppose I could change that |
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| 05:10.57 | evand | one sec, I'll try that |
| 05:11.01 | Azar | evand I remember not long ago I was not pleased with X starting at bootup and I remember someone here told me to remove xdm |
| 05:11.03 | BullWeivel | alright..SATA FAQ??? where in the heck is that at? dont see it. |
| 05:11.34 | Solet | streuner: sry lagged out, what will the promise ide hard drives show up as in /dev/? |
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| 05:11.48 | Azar | at aptitude update / aptitude dist-upgrade xdm will be reinstalled |
| 05:12.32 | TwistedEmotions | <Monsoon`> They could make a TV show about IRC. Call it "American Idle" |
| 05:12.35 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 05:12.43 | TwistedEmotions | I love bash.org |
| 05:13.23 | streuner | Solet: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html+ |
| 05:13.27 | streuner | Solet: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 05:13.53 | evand | Azar: well, that fixed it... |
| 05:14.08 | evand | Azar: so now I have a functional but ugly login screen :/ |
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| 05:14.27 | streuner | Solet: "Using ataraid results in your partitions being addressed using a /dev/ataraid/d0p1 (etc.)" |
| 05:14.49 | streuner | Solet: according to FAQ thats for 2.4.x kernels |
| 05:14.49 | Azar | evand, I usually prefer to sit in console and go startx from there, just in case I want to read what loads when I bootup |
| 05:15.09 | floppyears | hi |
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| 05:15.24 | floppyears | does anybody know if there is a work around to the gnome and kde menu's problem ? |
| 05:15.48 | Solet-deb__ | streuner: why do you keep talking about sata? i need the ata working.... sata doesnt matter as i have no sata drives |
| 05:16.28 | Solet-deb__ | and i dont have a /dev/ataraid |
| 05:17.20 | evand | Azar: that's what dmesg is for ;) |
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| 05:17.31 | evand | Azar: and now kdm works again... and I am very confused |
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| 05:17.58 | lehel | hello |
| 05:18.12 | monsoon | has anyone installed nvidia modules on debian amd64? |
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| 05:18.44 | Azar | evand I am new at X I mostly spent time in console, but what I learn and practice I share... I never seen kdm, KDE or Gnome .. I am only using xdm with openbox on top |
| 05:18.49 | streuner | Solet-deb__: you never used 'usenet'? |
| 05:19.07 | Solet-deb__ | no, never heard of it.... |
| 05:19.27 | evand | Azar: *nods* on my desktop, where I have plenty of pixels to start with, I'm all in favor of burning a few to make it look pretty ;) |
| 05:19.28 | streuner | Solet: ok, learn how to use groups.google.com as well |
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| 05:19.36 | streuner | Solet: ja, beide. einfach softraid-arrays anlegen beim partitionieren der hds |
| 05:19.36 | streuner | im d-i (und mit kernel-2.6 booten). |
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| 05:19.49 | streuner | Solet: http://groups.google.de/group/linux.debian.user.german/browse_thread/thread/b89b1d1027253955/85f1698849d75d21?q=pdc20378+debian&rnum=2&hl=de#85f1698849d75d21 |
| 05:19.49 | Azar | evand I did not used the new Debian installer, I started with Woody and upgraded to Sarge from it, my debconf never had X installed at install/upgrade time |
| 05:20.37 | Azar | evand I installed X-windows and xfree86 separately |
| 05:20.46 | Solet-deb__ | my board is an asus k8v se deluxe if that tells you anything at all... |
| 05:20.47 | streuner | Solet: in short that means: create softraid-arrays at the partition in d-i and boot with 2.6 kernel |
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| 05:20.57 | Entranced | ...quick question... since the release of sarge, I would like to convert my sources.list to the "new" testing tree ( I assume it's called "etch"). Do I just replace the "testing with "etch" to accomplish this task ? |
| 05:21.17 | valdyn | Entranced: no, you leave testing as testing |
| 05:21.20 | Azar | Entranced, the "testing" is ok, now it represents etch |
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| 05:21.41 | Entranced | so they're like "soft links" |
| 05:21.58 | valdyn | Entranced: yes |
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| 05:22.01 | Entranced | k |
| 05:22.04 | unojustin | hi, 'am learning linux device driver programming from Linux Device Drivers, Third Edition. it requires kernel-2.6.10 but i have debian woody 2.4.18. how do i get the required kernel on my computer. |
| 05:22.22 | Entranced | I had some errors after the release when I was doing apt-get update |
| 05:22.23 | jm_ | unojustin: Woody doesn't have 2.6 kernels |
| 05:22.33 | Azar | unojustin, move up to Sarge which has more driver support |
| 05:22.43 | jla | Entranced security updates? |
| 05:22.45 | Solet-deb__ | i dont want it to be 'raid' i just want to use it as a third ide controller.... the mobo manual says that it can... and whats all this about the debian installer and making partitions.... i cant lose whats on the drives |
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| 05:22.49 | lehel | people!: what's wrong with this command?: egrep [^User|^Group] /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 05:22.56 | Entranced | that was one of the problems jla |
| 05:22.59 | evand | Azar: yeah, same here, though I installed it as one of the first things after the system was booting ;) |
| 05:23.01 | mithro | whats a good, secure, caching only DNS server? |
| 05:23.03 | dondelelcaro | lehel: it's non-sensical? |
| 05:23.06 | lehel | something is missing i think |
| 05:23.07 | tcsetattr | you want to write device drivers but you haven't yet learned to compile a kernel without training wheels? |
| 05:23.08 | unojustin | is it enough that i download 2.6.10 from kernel.org and compile it. will that work |
| 05:23.09 | mithro | (that is shipped in Sarge or Woody) |
| 05:23.09 | Azar | unojustin then after you upgrade to Sarge you can get the precompiled 2.6.8 kernel from its list |
| 05:23.13 | dopey | lehel: you'll probably have to quote the [] bits |
| 05:23.19 | debboy | and the | |
| 05:23.20 | jla | Entranced comment them out if you're staying with testing. |
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| 05:23.34 | dopey | lehel: and beside, should it be egrep '(^User|^Group)' ? |
| 05:23.37 | streuner | Solet: backup the data? |
| 05:23.37 | Entranced | jla why is that ? |
| 05:23.41 | lehel | ok |
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| 05:23.57 | jla | Entranced they were for sarge |
| 05:24.02 | dondelelcaro | lehel: surely you mean ^\(User\|Group\) |
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| 05:24.08 | tcsetattr | egrep '^(User|Group)' looks nicer |
| 05:24.28 | Azar | unojustin, upgrading to Sarge is easy |
| 05:24.30 | lehel | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 05:24.39 | lehel | it's not working |
| 05:24.40 | Entranced | so there is no "real" security updates for this current testing release then...? |
| 05:24.40 | dopey | dondelelcaro: no need to escape them if you quote, iirc |
| 05:24.44 | evand | Azar: and with the new Stable release, I now have my apt.preferences set to mostly track stable ( and bits of testing / unstable as needed) |
| 05:24.50 | valdyn | unojustin: '/msg dpkg bunk 2.6' or upgrade to sarge ( '/msg dpkg woody->sarge' ) |
| 05:24.51 | Azar | unojustin apt-get install aptitude first |
| 05:24.57 | dondelelcaro | dopey: depends if it's a basic expression or a extended, iirc. |
| 05:25.04 | jla | Entranced someday there may always be security updates for testing, but that day is not today, or tomorrow for sure |
| 05:25.13 | Entranced | I see |
| 05:25.31 | Entranced | I also noticed that non-us is moved to the main |
| 05:25.36 | jla | ya |
| 05:25.44 | dondelelcaro | Entranced: that actually happened a while ago... |
| 05:25.50 | Azar | evand, you can go change your sources.list lines from "stable" to "Sarge" but get aptitude first then do aptitude update / aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 05:25.53 | jla | if you were following testing you should have seen that a while ago |
| 05:25.54 | valdyn | Entranced: american law changed, non-us is obsolete |
| 05:26.02 | Entranced | I got errors just a couple days ago when doing apt-get update |
| 05:26.08 | lehel | dopey: yours is good!.. thanks |
| 05:26.48 | jla | wierd |
| 05:26.58 | jm_ | unojustin: not with Woody, "/msg dpkg bunk 2.6" to get some necessary packages |
| 05:27.13 | Azar | valdyn, really what a blow, that why my non-us never worked lately |
| 05:27.32 | Entranced | I had my sources.list with non-us working until 2 days ago |
| 05:27.33 | dondelelcaro | !crypto in main |
| 05:27.33 | dpkg | i guess crypto in main is Legal advice received 31-Jul-2001 indicates that the new US export regulations on cryptographic software will allow Debian to distribute cryptographic software from the US, provided certain hoops are jumped through. <http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain> |
| 05:27.49 | dondelelcaro | see above if anyone cares about it. It's been basically pointless for the past 4 years. |
| 05:27.52 | evand | Azar: oh, I'm aware. I just try to track stable for most things if possible, and testing / unstable when I need newer versions |
| 05:27.52 | caphuso | non-us has been left bit rotting away for years now |
| 05:27.55 | Solet-deb__ | streuner: backup? gladly, should i pm you the address to send 120 gig in hd to? cause i dont got it... i'm at maximum capacity |
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| 05:28.04 | evand | Azar: besides, I like my apt-get ;) |
| 05:28.17 | erps | How do I ( can I ) make exim4 push all the mail in the queue out to the mailboxes they're going to .. and perhaps even make it skip all the spam processors/etc for the time being? |
| 05:28.27 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: yeah... pretty much anything that was there hadn't been upgraded in 4 years... |
| 05:28.32 | caphuso | was about time someone flushed the remainders |
| 05:28.33 | Entranced | there is always marillat |
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| 05:28.59 | K_Dallas | never done it before but it is kinda funny, i put an XP wallpaper on my linux, it has always been the other way around :) |
| 05:29.18 | Azar | evand, aptitude is a new tool for packages which ease the issues with dependencies, apt-get is not going anywhere, you will still have it |
| 05:29.22 | streuner | Solet-deb__: someone answered the question only for new installation NOT for the part to keep the data... |
| 05:29.31 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: the whole ~6 packages that were still in it used to be unmaintained? what a tragedy ;) |
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| 05:30.03 | K_Dallas | Azar, do you know if synaptic offers the same versatility as aptitude? |
| 05:30.07 | streuner | Solet-deb__: in short he hadnt any idea how to solved this |
| 05:30.34 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: heh |
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| 05:30.39 | Entranced | I've been reading more and more about aptitude (is apt-get getting less attention?) |
| 05:30.51 | streuner | Solet: and in general, if you have 120 Gigs on your HD, what do you do if the HD say 'Hasta la vista'? |
| 05:30.53 | Solet-deb__ | streuner: i'd imagine thats why i might have come here to get the ideas of the helpers in channel |
| 05:31.03 | caphuso | Entranced: it never had much useful attention |
| 05:31.05 | evand | Azar: eh, I may try it out at some point |
| 05:31.13 | Solet-deb__ | struener: i say fuck repeatedly till i feel better |
| 05:31.30 | Solet-deb__ | then i break something (usuallly a monitor or something that makes a cool crash sound) |
| 05:31.32 | jla | Entranced To me it's like dselect + apt-get only better :) |
| 05:31.33 | Azar | K_Dallas honestly, I never tried synaptic |
| 05:31.34 | Entranced | caphuso: For my personal use apt-get was amazing |
| 05:31.38 | streuner | Solet-deb__: let me say one thing, you havent read anything to solve your problem |
| 05:31.47 | caphuso | Entranced: lucky you |
| 05:31.49 | Entranced | jla: really > |
| 05:31.58 | K_Dallas | ok, i use aptitude during installation but after that it is either apt-get or synpatic |
| 05:32.16 | ce_hiphop_fs | hiiiiiiiii |
| 05:32.21 | K_Dallas | visually speaking, synaptic seems to have all that aptitude offers |
| 05:32.22 | Azar | I only use aptitude when I dist-upgrade once in a while |
| 05:32.32 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 05:32.42 | jla | I don't care for it's sorting/grouping |
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| 05:32.51 | jla | (synaptic's) |
| 05:32.53 | Entranced | I guess I need to start looking into aptitude a bit more |
| 05:32.59 | Solet-deb__ | streuner: if you dont know just fucking say it... and yes i've been looking for drivers and such..... or a complete walkthrough of my motherboard, linux style... |
| 05:33.03 | streuner | Solet-deb__: and one thing for sure, HD's dies often... |
| 05:33.18 | pshaggy | anyone know of an app/script which will monitor a URL and provide notification the instant the content changes? |
| 05:33.34 | Solet-deb__ | streuner: i've never had an entire hdd die out on me |
| 05:33.39 | jla | Entranced you can use it like apt-get, or like dselect. |
| 05:33.43 | streuner | haha |
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| 05:34.03 | streuner | Solet-deb__: i have here about 4-5 dead HD's... |
| 05:34.09 | Entranced | what is so great about it that apt-get can't provide ? |
| 05:34.11 | technos | Solet-deb__: What motherboard is this? |
| 05:34.19 | Solet-deb__ | when i notice that it starts eating clusters i dont use it till i have money to buy a new one to move shit over |
| 05:34.20 | caphuso | Entranced: reliability |
| 05:34.24 | Entranced | hmm |
| 05:34.26 | Solet-deb__ | technos: asus k8v se deluxe |
| 05:34.26 | jla | Entranced interface like dselect? |
| 05:34.53 | jla | Entranced what's so great about apt-get that aptitude can't provide :) (starts humming anything you can do...) |
| 05:34.54 | Entranced | I need to give it a swirl :) |
| 05:34.57 | caphuso | jla: a full screen interactive curses interface |
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| 05:35.36 | jla | Ok there is something. |
| 05:35.43 | streuner | Solet: wrong! the last HD in my desktop systems just die in time, i hadnt any time to copy _any_ data at all... |
| 05:35.54 | streuner | s/die/died/ |
| 05:35.54 | bruce2005 | any knows about uml patching, i need help |
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| 05:36.07 | technos | Solet-deb__: That should be pretty easy.. It's a VIA chipset A64, no? |
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| 05:36.30 | Solet-deb__ | streuner: all mine that have died started out slow... a few clusters... at that point i pulled it till i could replace it and migrate data over |
| 05:36.37 | Solet-deb__ | technos yes |
| 05:36.49 | Entranced | I just ran aptitude upgrade...and it wants to remove 200+ packages... |
| 05:36.51 | Solet-deb__ | the controller in question is a promise raid controller |
| 05:36.51 | streuner | Solet: well, in most cases but not in all |
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| 05:37.07 | Azar | Entranced, it will replace obsolete ones with new ones |
| 05:37.14 | streuner | pdc20378 |
| 05:37.22 | Solet-deb__ | streuner: yes and lightning could hit my house directly and 10,000 in computer equipment would be gone forever.... |
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| 05:37.35 | jla | caphuso nod and one that I"m not always diving into the help page to remember key strokes for :) |
| 05:37.41 | Entranced | Azar: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 220 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 05:37.53 | Entranced | Weird |
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| 05:38.09 | caphuso | Entranced: your apt-get and aptitude caches are severely out of sync. purging and reinstallign aptitude might help |
| 05:38.12 | deepz | hey guys |
| 05:38.19 | Azar | Entranced you might have packages that create problems with system dependency |
| 05:38.35 | deepz | ui need to transfer my mails from Ms outlook 2003 to thunderbird |
| 05:38.41 | Entranced | apt-get seems to handle everything just fine... |
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| 05:38.49 | deepz | however thunderbird is installed in debian linux |
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| 05:38.57 | deepz | how do i do it |
| 05:39.02 | Azar | Entranced, trust aptitude to do the cleaning |
| 05:39.05 | Entranced | I'm not too sure about using aptitude just yet... |
| 05:39.10 | tcsetattr | I found the interactive features of the aptitude prompt (_not_ the full-screen mode) very useful... |
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| 05:39.25 | tcsetattr | like type "d" at the Y/n prompt and it shows you the reasoning behind the removals |
| 05:39.34 | jla | they are nice. I haven't experianced this out of sync thing so I'm watching w/ interest |
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| 05:39.59 | Entranced | jla: I don't feel like trashing my systen tonight :) |
| 05:40.03 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 05:40.07 | da_bon_bon | anyone from india out here ? |
| 05:40.22 | jla | Entranced dont, purge and re-install aptitude then see what it says. that should do no harm |
| 05:40.26 | tcsetattr | or if it wants do something ridiculous like remove perl, you type "+perl" at the promopt and it recalculates |
| 05:40.42 | takatumi | da_bon_bon: why? |
| 05:40.52 | Azar | Entranced what caphuso an jla are saying |
| 05:40.54 | da_bon_bon | takatumi: i wanna buy the cds |
| 05:40.58 | Entranced | apt-get remove --purge aptitude |
| 05:41.00 | Entranced | done |
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| 05:41.30 | Azar | hi master Guerin :) |
| 05:41.40 | takatumi | da_bon_bon: checked with a local lug? |
| 05:41.44 | jla | tcsetattr that's cool, I handn't tried that at the command line |
| 05:41.55 | da_bon_bon | takatumi: the local lug is not that "active" |
| 05:42.02 | Entranced | Unpacking aptitude (from .../aptitude_0.2.15.9-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 05:42.02 | Entranced | Setting up aptitude (0.2.15.9-2) ... |
| 05:42.05 | kooldeb | anyone got UML working under Debian 2.6.11 + ?? |
| 05:42.10 | Entranced | I assume that is the newest |
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| 05:42.20 | technos | Solet-deb__: You're using the right driver it seems.. No real raid functionality to it unless you software raid the SATA devices though. |
| 05:42.21 | da_bon_bon | takatumi: anyway, my best bet, i think, is to find some indian here, who stays close to me, and buy the cds from him |
| 05:42.23 | jla | it's what I have |
| 05:42.28 | takatumi | da_bon_bon: what kind of network do you have? |
| 05:42.41 | Entranced | I'll try it once again |
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| 05:43.10 | Entranced | nice |
| 05:43.15 | Solet-deb__ | technos: using the right driver? i'm not using any driver.... i just want the fucking ata133 to work... i want to know where the 2 devices on that channel are located in /dev/ |
| 05:43.20 | Entranced | 0 to remove instal purge etc. |
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| 05:43.40 | da_bon_bon | takatumi: slow, pay per minute dialup |
| 05:43.43 | jla | Entranced type just aptitude to see the curses interface |
| 05:43.44 | Solet-deb__ | i dont know what driver to use, where to get it... i merely know what hardware i have... |
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| 05:43.51 | deepz | he can anybody help me |
| 05:44.09 | da_bon_bon | deepz: ask, dont ask to ask |
| 05:44.15 | deepz | i wnat to tansfer my mails from MS outlook 2003 to thunderbird |
| 05:44.17 | deadcat | i really should stop apt-cache serach xorg on my machine (= |
| 05:44.36 | deepz | thunderbird is in debian |
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| 05:45.14 | jla | deepz you still have outlook on windoz? |
| 05:45.21 | silverton | What is the different between the 106M netinst image, and the 32M businesscard image? |
| 05:45.29 | deepz | yes |
| 05:45.40 | streuner | less packages? |
| 05:45.41 | takatumi | silverton: with the biz card, the base in downloaded off the net. |
| 05:45.50 | silverton | ohhh, okay |
| 05:45.53 | Entranced | jla: it's a little nicer than what I remember |
| 05:45.54 | jla | deepz install thunderbird there, import mail, copy mail to Debian |
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| 05:46.09 | jla | Entranced good :) |
| 05:46.14 | deepz | okkk thks very much jla |
| 05:46.28 | nvz | I have 3 defunct processes :( |
| 05:46.37 | streuner | silverton: in short, you need an kernel, a working NIC support and a few packages to do the job... |
| 05:46.40 | Entranced | kinda weird though |
| 05:46.52 | TimeKilla | hey, is there a bootloader that can be configured with gnome? |
| 05:46.54 | jla | deepz you'll be moving your .mozilla/default/<salt>/Mail stuff |
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| 05:47.16 | technos | Solet-deb__: Both the SI driver and the FT378 driver work with it. And they're assigned as SCSI devices under the FT driver, and as dev/hdxx under the SI driver. |
| 05:47.29 | technos | Solet-deb__: Use the FT driver. |
| 05:47.44 | streuner | TimeKilla: if you searching for an easy doable GUI which solve any bootloader problems the answer would be no. |
| 05:47.45 | technos | Solet-deb__: Sorry, had people in my office. :/ |
| 05:47.50 | Solet-deb__ | is it on my cd? |
| 05:47.57 | jla | Entranced if it doesn't grow on you, you may like synaptic. I like aptitude's interface - how you can drill down to packages and dependancies. |
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| 05:48.19 | TimeKilla | streuner: No bootloader thats simple? |
| 05:48.35 | Entranced | jla: I just didn't feel the need for all the extra crap :) |
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| 05:48.39 | streuner | TimeKilla: there are 2 options, grub or lilo |
| 05:48.53 | Entranced | If I needed to install something I would just apt-get install XXXX |
| 05:49.10 | Daemon | Whats a word tha defines as the oppisit of Daemon? |
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| 05:49.11 | kooldeb | anyone got UML working under Debian 2.6.11 + ?? |
| 05:49.13 | nvz | not unless you want to instll XXXX |
| 05:49.13 | streuner | TimeKilla: some people say grub is easy, lilo is for me ok. |
| 05:49.24 | TimeKilla | i can't figure either out |
| 05:49.26 | nvz | which would cause an error, because it doesnt exist |
| 05:49.30 | Entranced | XXXXX = whatever package |
| 05:49.34 | RainbowW | i've had both the sarge 3.1a netinst and businesscard image fail to load installer components (second detection run). fresh burns on cdr media. is there a faq i'm missing somewhere? |
| 05:49.36 | technos | Solet-deb__: AFAIK, no. It's in the kernel though, and might be in one of the module packages, but last time I mucked with one I just bootstrapped it on a single HD and compiled a kernel, then mounted the drives as part of the FS. |
| 05:49.40 | takatumi | Entranced: you can do the same with aptitude install foo |
| 05:49.41 | jla | TimeKilla sure there is. click gnome-terminal. get root and run grub-install then run update-grub. Actually update-grub goes each time you install kernels |
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| 05:49.51 | tcsetattr | I don't get the point of the aptitude full-screen interface. it just looks like more hoops to jump through |
| 05:49.53 | jla | TimeKilla boot loader in gnome ;) |
| 05:50.07 | Entranced | Do you guys develop Aptitude ? Everyone is praising it :) hehe |
| 05:50.14 | jla | Entranced then just run it from the command line like you would have apt-get |
| 05:50.17 | silverton | streuner, to use the business card image? |
| 05:50.22 | technos | Err.. Hanging off the root fs. |
| 05:50.29 | Solet-deb__ | mounted them from where? what was the command? |
| 05:50.30 | tcsetattr | do you really gain anything from seeing the packages broken down by the categories "admin", "net", etc.? That's just annoying to have to look through all those separate little lists instead of one big one. |
| 05:50.42 | Entranced | tcsetattr: Agreed |
| 05:50.46 | streuner | silverton: thats on the biz |
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| 05:51.01 | silverton | ah, okay, just enough to boot the system and download everything else |
| 05:51.08 | streuner | silverton: yes |
| 05:51.11 | takatumi | tcsetattr: it's useful at times, for eg. mark upgradeable, saw something fishy, read the changelog with 'C' prior to hitting 'g'. try that on the command line, more hoops? |
| 05:51.37 | streuner | silverton: prolly d-i to configure things easy |
| 05:51.39 | jla | Entranced I definatly diddn't. I just really like its dependancy handling over apt-get (which is a far cry better than the rpm system I came from) and like the curses better than dselect |
| 05:51.46 | Ugly_Duck | how do ya find out what your running oss or alsa? |
| 05:51.47 | Entranced | seems like MacOSX is handling the packages quite nicely :) hehe |
| 05:51.51 | tcsetattr | well, dselect is Satan. |
| 05:51.56 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: run lsmod |
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| 05:52.04 | silverton | streuner, I normally use the netinst, I was just curious was different between the two |
| 05:52.11 | jla | :) |
| 05:52.17 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: yup, what should i be looking for? |
| 05:52.23 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: if you see there modules starting with snd- its ALSA then |
| 05:52.30 | takatumi | silverton: the biz card works fine too, I started with it. |
| 05:52.34 | Solet-deb__ | bah..... fuck the promise ide.... i'll fuck with it later when i'm not using a livecd...... |
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| 05:52.45 | silverton | takatumi, if I had businesscard CD's, I might use it |
| 05:53.01 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device |
| 05:53.05 | silverton | RainbowW, that's the spirit! |
| 05:53.13 | Solet-deb__ | does the bot have a factoid containing a url that can help me with setting up a dualboot? |
| 05:53.27 | sussudio | !fgi Solet-deb__ dual boot |
| 05:53.28 | dpkg | Solet-deb__: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=dual boot |
| 05:53.36 | takatumi | oh it has one. |
| 05:53.38 | Entranced | muehehe |
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| 05:53.49 | jla | RainbowW the background goes red? what arch (apologies if you've already said) |
| 05:54.02 | Azar | Ugly_Duck look what /etc/modules shows if you see intel8x0_audio that is an oss module |
| 05:54.02 | takatumi | sussudio: s/l b/l+b |
| 05:54.27 | Ugly_Duck | Azar: its a AC97 nvidia card that i have installed |
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| 05:54.38 | mithro | whats the tool in debian to change /etc/rc.* files? |
| 05:54.43 | RainbowW | jla: no. "there was a problem reading data from the cdrom. please make sure it is in the drive. if retrying does not work, you should check the integrity of your cdrom. failed to copy file from cdrom. retry?" i386, both business and netinst, at the same spot in install, on a dell latitude ls. |
| 05:54.55 | Solet-deb__ | because you see sussudio that factoid is worthless because 1) it bugged and gave an incomplete url and 2) thats not a factoid and 3) i would prefer have a source that knows what they are talking about... if i find the site of some bogus moron next thing i know i'm fucked |
| 05:54.56 | takatumi | mithro: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 05:55.20 | Azar | Ugly_Duck do a less /etc/modules |
| 05:55.23 | Ugly_Duck | Azar: i have no /dev/mixer but the mixer is running |
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| 05:55.37 | takatumi | !breastfeed Solet-deb__ |
| 05:55.42 | Coke | Solet-deb__: what factoid was that? |
| 05:55.42 | jla | RainbowW :( bummer. Maybe cd-rom is flakey? you could boot-floppy net-inst :) |
| 05:55.47 | silverton | I want the right one! |
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| 05:55.53 | Entranced | mithro: Webmin works quite nicely if you need more control |
| 05:55.56 | Ugly_Duck | Azar: ide-cd ide-generic nvidia |
| 05:56.02 | Solet-deb__ | coke: scroll the fuck up |
| 05:56.03 | valdyn | Ugly_Duck: cat /proc/asound/devices shows your alsa devices.. |
| 05:56.07 | Solet-deb__ | !fuck takatumi |
| 05:56.15 | sussudio | !safety dance |
| 05:56.15 | dpkg | S-s-s-s A-a-a-a F-f-f-f E-e-e-e T-t-t-t Y-y-y-y |
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| 05:56.29 | RainbowW | jla: how many floppies? i'm not sure where the floppy drive for this stupid unit is. |
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| 05:56.30 | glick | excuse me i have a question when nameserver switches start to propogate some people will be able to reach a domain and others wont right? |
| 05:56.32 | Azar | Ugly_Duck, your /etc/modules HAVE to show something relating to your sound module |
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| 05:56.42 | Daemon | Can someone help, whats word that means the oppisit of a Daemon (Disk And Execution Monitor) |
| 05:56.43 | jla | RainbowW 2-3 I think |
| 05:56.46 | Ugly_Duck | Azar: nvidia? |
| 05:56.50 | valdyn | Azar: why? |
| 05:56.53 | Ugly_Duck | valdyn: 18: [0- 2]: digital audio playback |
| 05:56.53 | mishael | where can get a deb for apache mod_throttle? |
| 05:56.54 | Entranced | glick: that would be correct |
| 05:56.58 | Azar | Ugly_Duck, nvidia is video |
| 05:57.04 | valdyn | Ugly_Duck: so you have alsa |
| 05:57.07 | glick | Entranced, can i query which dns servers know of it? |
| 05:57.08 | Entranced | glick: give'em IP address |
| 05:57.12 | Azar | valdyn I am thinking maybe he has the default oss set there |
| 05:57.14 | fusion | are these files normal? /proc/1/cwd, /proc/1/root, /proc/1/exe ?? there are also ones with other numbers..this is in the output of lsof |
| 05:57.20 | Ugly_Duck | Azar: nvidia do sound and ide and stuff for nforce dont they |
| 05:57.33 | jm_ | fusion: of course they are |
| 05:57.36 | Entranced | glick: no idea ... |
| 05:57.49 | Ugly_Duck | valdyn: ok, kewl; i use hotkeys for my internet keyboard and my vol up/down is no longer working |
| 05:57.50 | Entranced | glick: never had need to do this myself :) sorry |
| 05:58.04 | glick | i got my site www.dbsmut.net up |
| 05:58.14 | Azar | Ugly_Duck your sound is represented by intel8x0 |
| 05:58.19 | fusion | jm_, a machine I am looking at appears to have bindshell when chkrootkit is run, and portsentry is not installed to make a false positive. Would you know how to remove it but keep the system intact? |
| 05:58.24 | glick | and switched the nameservers as required by zoneedit to correctly forward it |
| 05:58.37 | jm_ | fusion: remove what? |
| 05:58.45 | fusion | jm_, "bindshell" |
| 05:58.45 | glick | can anyone see if they can reach it? |
| 05:58.48 | Ugly_Duck | Azar: ok, hotkeys is complaining about /dev/mixer not being there? |
| 05:58.54 | valdyn | Ugly_Duck: b/c its trying to change your oss volume i guess |
| 05:58.55 | Azar | Ugly_Duck if you do not see intel8x0 in /etc/modules you do not have oss running by default |
| 05:59.09 | fusion | jm_, after researching on the internet I have found a site that says it needs "; |
| 05:59.11 | jla | glick: www.dbsmut.net @ns8.zoneedit.com |
| 05:59.11 | fusion | " |
| 05:59.11 | jm_ | fusion: it's best to reinstall if you don't know what you're doing |
| 05:59.15 | fusion | to pass commands |
| 05:59.20 | jla | glick: nothing there, so no one else is going to see it |
| 05:59.21 | jm_ | fusion: try that too |
| 05:59.23 | fusion | but when I telnet to the supposedly open port |
| 05:59.29 | fusion | it disconnects very quickly |
| 05:59.29 | valdyn | Ugly_Duck: you could 'modprobe snd-mixer-oss' and 'snd-pcm-oss' |
| 05:59.32 | fusion | about 5 seconds later |
| 05:59.34 | mishael | does anyone know where i can get a deb for apache mod_throttle? |
| 05:59.39 | jm_ | fusion: but you don't get connection refused? |
| 05:59.45 | fusion | jm_, no |
| 05:59.48 | Ugly_Duck | valdyn: ok, i'll give that ago |
| 05:59.48 | valdyn | mishael: not in debian iirc, google knows |
| 05:59.54 | glick | jla, what do you mean nothing is there? |
| 05:59.54 | jm_ | fusion: what does netstat -nap say for th port? |
| 06:00.00 | nvz | mishael: apt-get.org |
| 06:00.18 | mishael | i can't find it on google, already tried |
| 06:00.31 | Ugly_Duck | valdyn: wahoo.. that worked, do i put those in /etc/modules to have them there on boot up? |
| 06:00.45 | jla | glick It would be good to read up on the dns howto. I did a whois for dbsmut.net. It said see NS8.ZONEEDIT.COM and NS17.ZONEEDIT.COM. I asked the first and it didn't give anything for www.dbsmut.net |
| 06:01.00 | fusion | jm_, tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4369 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2228/epmd |
| 06:01.05 | valdyn | Ugly_Duck: yea, but think I recall that those modules get loaded automatically. Won't hurt to put them there though. |
| 06:01.17 | Ugly_Duck | valdyn: thanks so much.. |
| 06:01.23 | Entranced | dbsmut ? |
| 06:01.28 | Ugly_Duck | Azar: cheers for helping |
| 06:01.29 | Entranced | dead-beat smut ? |
| 06:01.34 | nvz | heh |
| 06:01.37 | Ugly_Duck | dinner... bbs |
| 06:01.42 | Azar | Ugly_Duck, my pleasure tho valdyn is the master |
| 06:01.48 | concept10 | Anyone have use cable modem (comcast) |
| 06:01.52 | concept10 | ? |
| 06:01.58 | Entranced | it sucked |
| 06:01.59 | silverton | concept10, yes? |
| 06:02.14 | jla | lots of people :) |
| 06:02.18 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.28 | silverton | nvz *comcast.net |
| 06:02.36 | nvz | *shrugs* |
| 06:02.37 | concept10 | Im wondering how do they cut off your access without disconnecting cable from thier side |
| 06:02.48 | concept10 | any clue? |
| 06:03.02 | valdyn | concept10: cut a login name or cut a box they are accessing from? |
| 06:03.04 | tcsetattr | as far as I can tell, comcast.net is full of Windoze users who get r00ted and used for spam proxying |
| 06:03.06 | glick | if i can do whois shouldnt the nameservers have updated already? |
| 06:03.06 | fusion | most likely they click a fat red button that says "BYEZ" |
| 06:03.07 | jla | concept10 another off topic question, but it's probably a signal to that box your cable is hooked to upo on the telephone lines |
| 06:03.08 | concept10 | do they just block your IP? |
| 06:03.12 | mishael | apt-get.org can't find mod_throttle for apache |
| 06:03.21 | jm_ | fusion: do you have erlang* installed? |
| 06:03.48 | nvz | service on cable networks is controlled by the mac address of the modem. they register your modem and then you can get an IP |
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| 06:04.09 | fusion | jm_, I am guessing so: erlang-base is already the newest version. |
| 06:04.40 | concept10 | nvu: yeah, I understand that, I used to install cable internet and TV, I was just curious how they did that (control access) |
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| 06:05.05 | jm_ | fusion: that one provides epmd |
| 06:05.17 | glick | shouldnt i also be able to get a dns response if i can whois it? |
| 06:05.29 | fusion | jm_, okay thanks.. I dont know what it is though so it could have been installed by someone else |
| 06:05.31 | jla | glick no |
| 06:05.40 | nvz | I dont think I am getting rid of these defunct processes short of rebooting |
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| 06:06.01 | valdyn | glick: no, a domain could be in the whois db but not served by any dns server.. |
| 06:06.19 | glick | valdyn, what about the godaddy dns servers |
| 06:06.21 | Entranced | jla: I want to remove kernel-headers that are in obsolete (through Aptitude), but there are dependencies issues. How can I keep the files that should be kept (like coreutils in my case) and remove the rest ? |
| 06:06.33 | glick | cant i use a particular server for a particular lookup? |
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| 06:06.59 | Daemon | A Server is to a Client as a Daemon is to? |
| 06:07.09 | technos | concept10/nvu: Actually, they give all modems IP addresses. There are two sets of IP pool/DNS/gateway they give out though, an unsubscribed MAC gets a DNS that doesn't resolve any addresses outside of comcast name space and a gateway that doesn't let you hit the actual internet. |
| 06:07.10 | valdyn | glick: not w/ gethostbyname() ( what applications call ), 'nslookup' could do that |
| 06:07.30 | jla | Entranced I'm puzzled about this coreutils depending on kernel-headers bit |
| 06:07.44 | da_bon_bon | anyway |
| 06:07.44 | TimeKilla | by all means i'm getting this dual boot to work this evening... time for another coffee |
| 06:07.46 | da_bon_bon | bye all |
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| 06:08.03 | Entranced | jla: it's the other way around |
| 06:08.20 | concept10 | technos: what happens if I change my MAC address |
| 06:08.30 | fusion | jm_, I removed erlang-base and that port is still open... |
| 06:08.48 | concept10 | technos: nevermind, I know that it wont work |
| 06:08.54 | jm_ | fusion: what state is it in? |
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| 06:09.07 | technos | concept10: You get a different IP address, a DNS server that doesn't resolve anything, and a gateway that doesn't pass any traffic. |
| 06:09.09 | jla | Entranced OK, well then unless for some wacked reason it thinks coreutils was Auto-added for the kernel-headers, removing kernel-headers should not touch coreutils |
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| 06:09.17 | silverton | Can I specify a more recent kernel with the D-i ? |
| 06:09.19 | jm_ | fusion: also check /proc/2228/* files (cwd and so on) |
| 06:09.30 | streuner | silverton: linux26 |
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| 06:09.43 | jla | Entranced too many other things depend on coreutils for that to be auto on kernel-headers though |
| 06:09.47 | silverton | I meant, like, 2.6.11 |
| 06:09.51 | nvz | wtf is going on with my machine :P |
| 06:10.00 | nvz | I got like 8 ident processes now |
| 06:10.02 | Entranced | understood |
| 06:10.09 | streuner | silverton: no, d-i using 2.6.8 kernel |
| 06:10.14 | silverton | :( |
| 06:10.20 | kdawg | where are the packages extracted to when upgrading via aptitude? |
| 06:10.32 | technos | concept10: You can lie to it, claim the correct IP information, and often hit the internet successfully most places even with a changed MAC though.. But if you're unsubscribed, eventually they'll block your IP at the old upstream router for good measure. |
| 06:10.32 | Entranced | It says that kernel-headers Depends coreutils fileutils |
| 06:10.34 | jla | Entranced when you tell it to remove the kernel-headers, what does it say will be broken or that it wants to remove? |
| 06:10.41 | jla | that's fine |
| 06:10.44 | fusion | jm_, I saw /proc/1/cwd etc |
| 06:10.47 | fusion | and /2 |
| 06:10.47 | Entranced | ok |
| 06:10.49 | Entranced | lemme try |
| 06:10.52 | jla | debianutils depends on coreutils too |
| 06:11.17 | Entranced | jla: I can't even select 'd' |
| 06:11.31 | jla | Entranced are you in curses? |
| 06:11.35 | Entranced | yup |
| 06:11.42 | Entranced | trying to check it out |
| 06:11.47 | jm_ | fusion: no, check the ones for pid 2228 and check the state of the port |
| 06:11.51 | jla | type - on the package to remove _ to purge (F10 for menus/help) |
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| 06:12.04 | Entranced | k |
| 06:12.19 | fusion | jm_, 2228 doesnt exist in /proc |
| 06:12.24 | exobyte | is there a free ssl vpn out there that is launched from a browser out there? |
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| 06:12.47 | tcsetattr | I wonder why a package full of header files needs to depend on "coreutils" (which is surely an essential package anyway) |
| 06:13.05 | jm_ | fusion: what about the port? |
| 06:13.09 | mith | ok, seriously, wtf |
| 06:13.25 | Entranced | jla: so it should leave the other stuff alone when I purge it rather than remove it |
| 06:13.26 | fusion | jm_, it accepts connections still |
| 06:13.34 | jm_ | fusion: run netstat again |
| 06:13.45 | jla | Entranced yep. Hit g once and it will show you exactly what it is going to do |
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| 06:13.57 | mith | innetgr -u user1 -v admins \n admins: 1 ... yet +@admins:::::: in /etc/passwd does not add user1 to getent passwd |
| 06:14.09 | jla | it will leave the other stuff if you remove or purge |
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| 06:14.23 | fusion | jm_, nothing there..? |
| 06:14.26 | Azar | dondelecaro how can I use xset without changing the XF86Config-4 file? |
| 06:14.28 | Entranced | jla: nice |
| 06:14.40 | deadcat | Azar: in ~/.xsession |
| 06:14.52 | jla | Entranced if that list of keep/remove/etc looks good, hit g again |
| 06:14.53 | dondelelcaro | Azar: you just run xset -dpms; it's pretty trivial. |
| 06:14.56 | Entranced | I wanted to remove old kernel I had sitting around and it allowed me with no issues |
| 06:15.00 | jm_ | fusion: that is strange - what command have you run? |
| 06:15.04 | jla | yep |
| 06:15.05 | dondelelcaro | Azar: man xset. |
| 06:15.09 | Entranced | no deps |
| 06:15.17 | Entranced | so this was kinda weird |
| 06:15.19 | Azar | thanks dondelecaro :) |
| 06:15.19 | h | Is there a way to specify geometry for proggies that don't recognize -geometry? |
| 06:15.22 | mith | obviously I have passwd: compat \n passwd_compat: ldap, and innetgr shows it's working properly ... wtf is wrong with glibc's compat in sarge? |
| 06:15.25 | h | Like a utility or something? |
| 06:15.28 | mith | or am I missing something? |
| 06:15.32 | Entranced | but it seems to work quite nicely |
| 06:15.41 | fusion | jm_, just netstat -nap |
| 06:15.49 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: do they pay you at the lab you work? |
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| 06:16.07 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no... |
| 06:16.19 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I'm a grad student, so I either TA, or I get paid by grants |
| 06:16.19 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: doh.. why not? |
| 06:16.27 | deadcat | oh |
| 06:16.27 | h | Don't all answer at once now... |
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| 06:16.32 | mith | is there something special I have to do to enable the +@netgroup<whatever> syntax in /etc/passwd? some package I may be missing? |
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| 06:16.42 | jla | Entranced you can play around with adding packages and seeing how it auto-adds depends (iA) and undo what you just told it to do and all kinds of fun stuff |
| 06:16.48 | dondelelcaro | h: everything should obey -geometry or Xresources. |
| 06:17.00 | dondelelcaro | h: if not, file a bug requesting that it do. |
| 06:17.03 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: should but most dont. |
| 06:17.08 | h | dondelelcaro: ah. Xresources. |
| 06:17.12 | jla | Entranced up to the point where you tell it to install. then you don't undo :) |
| 06:17.12 | h | dondelelcaro: how does that work? |
| 06:17.24 | dondelelcaro | h: depends on the program. |
| 06:17.24 | Entranced | ok |
| 06:17.28 | Entranced | that seems nice |
| 06:17.35 | h | dondelelcaro: links2 -driver X |
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| 06:17.40 | jm_ | fusion: hmm that's not normal |
| 06:17.51 | Entranced | I've been doing some dist-upgrades on regular basis..is that a good idea ? |
| 06:17.54 | laoye | hi, instead of justing chatting (keying would be more appropriate) with texts, is there a multimedia chat link for debian? |
| 06:17.59 | deadcat | h: links -g? |
| 06:18.07 | fusion | jm_, indeed...At this stage I say start from scratch :/ |
| 06:18.18 | h | deadcat: never knew about that one. =) |
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| 06:18.26 | jm_ | fusion: are you sure you can still connect to it? |
| 06:18.30 | deadcat | h: i never nkew that one (= |
| 06:18.33 | h | deadcat: ive only used it a couple days, luvvit |
| 06:18.51 | deadcat | h: well. not sure about luuuuvit.. (= |
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| 06:18.57 | h | so how do i use these Xresources? |
| 06:19.02 | Azar | hmm xset: unable to open display"" what this means? |
| 06:19.10 | h | specifically im trying to run it in a vt of its own, no wm |
| 06:19.20 | jla | Entranced I haven't needed to. I'm not sure there |
| 06:19.39 | Entranced | there is an upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 06:19.49 | fc466 | when I run the broswer, which runs under user say xx2, and want to open an mp3 to play a song, I get a permission denied, any suggestions? |
| 06:19.51 | fusion | jm_, Yes |
| 06:19.56 | jla | I always use upgrade except when I've changed from one release to another |
| 06:20.02 | Entranced | I see |
| 06:20.14 | fc466 | the xmms does work under sudo xmms, but not from the browser . |
| 06:20.25 | jla | I'm looking around |
| 06:20.28 | h | Gone? |
| 06:20.32 | jm_ | fusion: hmm I would boot with a known good disc and check all files for which md5sum doesn't match or that are not part of any package, best would be to compare md5sums to known good files |
| 06:20.57 | jm_ | fc466: "/msg dpkg audio" for hints |
| 06:20.57 | fusion | jm_ ah ok thanks |
| 06:20.57 | jeff99 | does anyone think its possibal to start up a wifi business... just place some brodcast towers accross a small city or a portion of the city. then sell custom made handheld deivces for like 50 bucks a peice and let people download songs and whatever else through linux or java running the code from a server |
| 06:21.42 | jeff99 | for wifi access |
| 06:21.56 | h | Guess I'll go say hello to google. |
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| 06:22.09 | fc466 | JM: ? |
| 06:22.09 | jla | Entranced since dist-upgrade is just to force it to upgrade important packages at the cost of less important ones I would use it sparingly |
| 06:22.14 | jm_ | fc466: ! |
| 06:22.21 | Entranced | aha |
| 06:22.25 | fc466 | jm: do u have any suggestions please ? |
| 06:22.33 | jm_ | fc466: I have already told you |
| 06:23.17 | fc466 | jm_: do u know what specifically I need to do ? |
| 06:23.21 | laoye | jeff99, there are already handphone, pda, handheld computers, blah,blah. How many handheld can a person hold? |
| 06:23.30 | jm_ | fc466: read that factoid first |
| 06:24.16 | Azar | if I apt-get remove xdm, it tells me that the x-window-system will be removed as well, is that safe? I mean will I be able to use my startx after that? |
| 06:24.23 | bob2 | sure |
| 06:24.29 | fc466 | jm: thanks, lemme try that and back if any more Qs |
| 06:24.34 | laoye | jeff99, those that i had mentioned can do what you have in mind. |
| 06:24.38 | jm_ | fc466: just follow the adduser part |
| 06:24.44 | deadcat | Azar: next time get x-window-system-core |
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| 06:25.47 | Azar | thanks bob2, deadcat |
| 06:26.40 | Azar | it looks that I already have it |
| 06:26.48 | jm_ | well doh |
| 06:27.28 | TimeKilla | i just commpleted an apt-get install gnome-core and half expected that typing gnome would launch the interface... what gives? |
| 06:27.39 | jm_ | did you follow your instincts and check dependencies for x-window-system? |
| 06:27.47 | bob2 | TimeKilla: that's not how it works |
| 06:27.47 | Guerin | TimeKilla: duh |
| 06:27.50 | jm_ | TimeKilla: PEBKAC |
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| 06:27.59 | bob2 | TimeKilla: edit ~/.xsession so it says "exec gnome-session" |
| 06:28.22 | YaleR | hey everyone, I'm just curious, is there a way to do |
| 06:28.48 | YaleR | until mplayer music; do wait; done halt? |
| 06:28.49 | Guerin | YaleR: anything's possible |
| 06:28.51 | YaleR | something like that? |
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| 06:29.13 | Entranced | jla: Thanks for all the help |
| 06:29.17 | bob2 | YaleR: perhaps explain what you want it to do |
| 06:29.20 | jeff99 | laoye, but is it leagle or do you need a licesns to do something like that |
| 06:29.21 | Guerin | YaleR: keep playing music until mplayer runs out, then shutdown? |
| 06:29.24 | YaleR | right |
| 06:29.25 | bob2 | that psuedo-code doesn't make anysense |
| 06:29.31 | YaleR | lol, I know |
| 06:29.35 | YaleR | it doesn't work either |
| 06:29.38 | YaleR | :P |
| 06:29.44 | bob2 | TimeKilla: when you know more about Debian and X, you'll understand why it works like that, btw :) |
| 06:29.48 | jeff99 | i want to sell them cheap though, like soder a processer to a chip lol |
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| 06:30.14 | jm_ | jeff99: you need permissions to use those frequencies at minimal, not to mention setting up antennae |
| 06:30.28 | jla | Entranced np. best of luck. im glad that purge reinstall trick worked. I'll remember it. |
| 06:30.38 | Entranced | yup |
| 06:30.45 | Entranced | something new we learn each day :) |
| 06:30.47 | dondelelcaro | YaleR: so echo 'mplayer; exit(0)' > ~/.Xsession |
| 06:30.48 | jeff99 | im in small town hicks ville though. i dont think anyone would know |
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| 06:30.56 | dondelelcaro | YaleR: with appropriate options to mplayer. |
| 06:31.11 | YaleR | now... how does that work... |
| 06:31.12 | YaleR | lol |
| 06:31.12 | dondelelcaro | or whatever the hell you're actually trying to run before you log out |
| 06:31.20 | jeff99 | i bet so many peope would buy it |
| 06:31.35 | laoye | jeff99, licences for freqs and infrastructure are required without saying. |
| 06:31.46 | jeff99 | darn |
| 06:31.51 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: exit(0) in a shell script? |
| 06:32.04 | jeff99 | those must be expensive huh? |
| 06:32.05 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: exit 0; rather... |
| 06:32.38 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: shell is too close to perl |
| 06:33.11 | RainbowW | what's up when i get dma timeout errors? eg status=0x21 or 0x58 |
| 06:34.14 | caphuso | RainbowW: plenty of things could be wrong. broken hardware of all kind, bug in the driver, unsupported hardware, careless use of hdparm, ... |
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| 06:36.51 | sussudio | !ops matRix ttnet spammy spambot |
| 06:36.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: matRix ttnet spammy spambot |
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| 06:37.29 | YaleR | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help |
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| 06:37.47 | YaleR | it's simply 'mplayer song ; halt' |
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| 06:38.20 | jeff99 | ok here is a question: can one build a small computer from the ground up, sodering the connections and ram and be able to run linux? |
| 06:38.21 | streuner | damn, its summertime in .de and its pretty cold, odd. |
| 06:38.35 | bob2 | jeff99: if you have to ask, no |
| 06:38.38 | shale | ok i'm confused.. i thought i WAS running sarge, what's this i read about sarge just being relased a couple days ago? |
| 06:38.39 | sussudio | kalt ist gut |
| 06:38.45 | jeff99 | is it possibale though |
| 06:38.46 | jm_ | yeah, weather's all fucked up this year (again) |
| 06:38.51 | bob2 | jeff99: of course |
| 06:38.57 | bob2 | shale: it means it's stable now |
| 06:38.57 | jeff99 | without some expensive equiptment |
| 06:38.59 | sussudio | yeah, like... blame global warming for it. |
| 06:39.14 | shale | thank bob2 |
| 06:39.20 | bob2 | jeff99: of course, it's just electronics |
| 06:39.26 | shale | do i need to upgrade my machine to it or will apt-get update take care of it? |
| 06:39.26 | tarzeau | morning |
| 06:39.32 | jeff99 | bob2 do you know of any projects like that right now? |
| 06:39.34 | tarzeau | ich bin eine zitrone |
| 06:39.35 | TimeKilla | Its some mad weather up here in central canada as well. |
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| 06:39.57 | Azar | out of the topic news: Bruce Perens has joined start-up SourceLabs, as it attempts to make headway in the field of open source certification. |
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| 06:40.25 | bob2 | shale: that's what apt does |
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| 06:40.38 | bob2 | Azar: and he's decided debian will release every year! |
| 06:40.42 | bob2 | it'll be awesome! |
| 06:40.48 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:40.51 | bob2 | pity he's not a release manager and doesn't maintain any packages |
| 06:40.54 | shale | roger, thanks again bob2 |
| 06:40.59 | bob2 | or appear to do anything at all |
| 06:41.00 | Azar | bob2 I am a very patient user, rushing up might hurt quality |
| 06:41.07 | bob2 | jeff99: no |
| 06:41.20 | bob2 | jeff99: what are you aiming to acheive? |
| 06:41.29 | shale | but let me guess, i do need to update my /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 06:41.38 | bob2 | not if it says sarge |
| 06:41.45 | shale | it says unstable |
| 06:41.49 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:41.51 | shale | unstable main actually |
| 06:41.58 | Guerin | then you were never running sarge |
| 06:42.10 | shale | egads i wasn't!? |
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| 06:42.17 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 06:42.21 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 06:42.21 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 06:42.25 | Azar | shale you cannot move backwards from unstable to Sarge |
| 06:42.32 | Guerin | shale: read |
| 06:42.43 | jeff99 | bob2 i want to build a small computer with a processer, application stack /core, DRAM controller and SRAM control for flash. it will display to a small 3" lcd screen |
| 06:43.01 | bob2 | jeff99: there's little point buildign that yourself |
| 06:43.07 | bob2 | and it will be very very expensive to do so |
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| 06:43.12 | shale | i dont get it... i downloaded and installed "sarge" |
| 06:43.17 | Guerin | jeff99: get gumstix |
| 06:43.18 | Azar | ..unless you are building a small Las Vegas device |
| 06:43.26 | tarzeau | shale: what? we're no mind readers here |
| 06:43.31 | shale | /etc/apt/sources.list the first entry says #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 06:43.31 | jasoncohen | shale, what did you download? |
| 06:43.40 | sussudio | shale on #ubuntu #debian |
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| 06:43.49 | Guerin | shale: unstable is not, will not be and never has been sarge. |
| 06:43.50 | shale | the next entry is deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 06:43.52 | Azar | shale by using "unstable" in the sources.list you jump beyond Sarge to Sid |
| 06:43.59 | jeff99 | yea i guess i cant produce them myself more than one at a time |
| 06:44.08 | Guerin | shale: read the goddamn faq now before someone hurts you |
| 06:44.09 | bob2 | shale: "someone" edited that manually |
| 06:44.16 | shale | Azar: ah, thank you |
| 06:44.26 | shale | Guerin: thanks oh kind rainbow brother |
| 06:44.29 | shale | bob2: i love you |
| 06:44.34 | tarzeau | sussudio: oh, an infidel! |
| 06:44.35 | sussudio | bob2: i'm guessing it comes with ubuntu |
| 06:44.42 | Azar | shale, there is no way back but only by reinstalling and keep your sources.list to "sarge" |
| 06:44.43 | jasoncohen | shale, if you installed from a sarge CD/DVD/netinstall disk it would have set the source as sarge main |
| 06:44.52 | bob2 | sussudio: ubuntu doesn't do anything like that |
| 06:45.17 | TimeKilla | i'm so frustrated.. all i want to do is be able to boot into my primary partition containing windows system files and cabinet. but its taking me into linux.. and i have no idea how to get grub to work, despite reading for past 2 hours. |
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| 06:45.36 | bob2 | TimeKilla: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:45.41 | bob2 | it has examples for how to do it |
| 06:45.48 | TimeKilla | thank you |
| 06:46.07 | jm_ | TimeKilla: it's actually in GRUB docs |
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| 06:46.44 | jm_ | info GRUB -> Booting -> OS-specific notes -> DOS/Windows |
| 06:46.51 | bender-RW- | is it a known bug that the README.txt in debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.iso is outdated, or is my jigdo-download hosed? |
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| 06:47.12 | jm_ | should say info grub |
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| 06:47.17 | bob2 | bloom: in what way is it outdated? |
| 06:47.46 | bender-RW- | bob2: last-minute notes |
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| 06:48.03 | shale | does sid support ati64+amd64 ? |
| 06:48.15 | bob2 | bender-RW-: e.g. |
| 06:48.23 | bob2 | shale: amd64 is not in Debian, #debian-amd64 |
| 06:48.25 | bender-RW- | bob2: "You should keep in mind that this is an unofficial CD of the current development version of the Debian system. This means that all sorts of bugs may be present anywhere in the system." |
| 06:48.32 | Rangitoto | I intend to install Debian. I use two computers which are identical except for the drives and a modem. I use removable hard drives in both computers and I like to be able to use the computers interchangably, plugging the appropriate hard drive into whichever computer is free at the time. Consequently, after I have installed debian on a hard drive that hard drive will not always be used on the same computer. One of the reasons for me migrat |
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| 06:48.39 | bob2 | bender-RW-: haven't seen anyone else mention it |
| 06:48.39 | Cheetah | hey folks |
| 06:48.55 | shale | thx bob2 |
| 06:48.59 | deadcat | by the time debian officially supports amd64, amd128 will be out. |
| 06:49.06 | shale | oh great |
| 06:49.11 | Cheetah | i have a 3.1r3 (testing) and I want to upgrade to stable.. is it enough to edit the sources config file of apt? and do an update? |
| 06:49.20 | shale | thats why ubuntu is kinda nifty i guess |
| 06:49.28 | tarzeau | shale: it's not |
| 06:49.38 | shale | no? |
| 06:49.38 | deadcat | shale: #ubuntu |
| 06:49.41 | Guerin | Rangitoto: you'll need to finish your statement, it got cut off. Or you could put it on a httpd since it's war and peace length |
| 06:49.48 | jm_ | shale: it is in Debian, but it's not in current stable release - doesn't mean you can't install it, just join that channel and read the topic |
| 06:49.55 | tarzeau | shale: we don't know, we don't care. don't talk here about it |
| 06:49.55 | bob2 | oh, come on people |
| 06:50.02 | shale | roger, gotcha |
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| 06:50.13 | bob2 | Cheetah: there has never been a "3.1r3" |
| 06:50.14 | shale | u****u is a dirty word in here |
| 06:50.21 | bob2 | Cheetah: do you mean sarge rc3? |
| 06:50.33 | tarzeau | shale: no it's not. it's just not lost anything in here |
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| 06:50.53 | Cheetah | bob2, yep.. it was rc3 :) |
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| 06:51.06 | Cheetah | somehow the 'c' key got stuck |
| 06:51.16 | kooldev | am having trouble with UML, anyone got it working under Debian 2.6.11 or has a good source to install it ? the man for it is really not well. |
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| 06:51.40 | Guerin | a poor typist blames his keybo .... oh, wsait |
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| 06:51.50 | bender-RW- | oh great, now that r0a is out i can't find the MD5SUMS for r0-isos :) |
| 06:51.55 | RainbowW | is it possible/common that the sarge 2.4 installer works better than the 2.6 installer under certain circumstances? |
| 06:51.56 | Rangitoto | If I install Debian on a hard drive and then put the hard drive in another computer which is identical except for the drives and a modem, will I have to change anything in the Debian installation? |
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| 06:52.10 | tarzeau | bender-RW-: you can also use woody cd and then dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 06:52.11 | jm_ | Rangitoto: depends |
| 06:52.21 | tarzeau | bender-RW-: i've just done that yesterday |
| 06:52.23 | bob2 | RainbowW: it's certainly posisble |
| 06:52.23 | Guerin | Rangitoto: nope. Even if they were different hardware they should work normally. |
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| 06:52.40 | bob2 | Cheetah: just change testing to sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade then |
| 06:52.42 | RainbowW | Rangitoto: -should- work. but if it breaks, you own both parts. |
| 06:52.46 | bender-RW- | tarzeau: point your autocomplete elswhere ;) |
| 06:52.48 | bruce2005 | HELP, trying to patch my kernel (using a uml patch), it gives an error saying "only garbage was found in the patch input" any help? |
| 06:52.55 | Guerin | no |
| 06:53.01 | deadcat | k |
| 06:53.01 | Guerin | they're identical excepot for the drives |
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| 06:53.08 | Cheetah | i switched it to stable instead of sarge ;) |
| 06:53.09 | bob2 | bruce2005: your patch is broken |
| 06:53.10 | Azar | before upgrading from Woody the Sarge (change the sources from stable to sarge ) release recommends to apt-get install aptitude |
| 06:53.12 | Guerin | excepting hardware failure, they WILL work |
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| 06:53.18 | bob2 | Cheetah: same thing (for now;) |
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| 06:53.33 | bob2 | Azar: sure, but Cheetah is going from sarge rc3 to sarge final |
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| 06:53.53 | Azar | bob2 I see.. |
| 06:54.14 | bruce2005 | i guess i'll download it from some other site |
| 06:54.24 | kooldev | am having trouble with UML, anyone got it working under Debian 2.6.11 or has a good source to install it ? the man for it is really not well. |
| 06:54.30 | Cheetah | okay, I changed the "testing" to "sarge" in sources config and now run an "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 06:54.36 | Guerin | bruce2005: read the patch |
| 06:54.41 | takatumi | Cheetah: update first |
| 06:54.46 | RainbowW | Cheetah: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:54.46 | Cheetah | hm okay |
| 06:54.50 | Cheetah | yeah |
| 06:54.51 | bob2 | kooldev: you need to be less vague |
| 06:54.53 | Cheetah | i did that of course ;) |
| 06:54.54 | bruce2005 | bob2: i downloaded the source kernel from source forge, can i use a patch from the debian site, not sure if that'll work |
| 06:54.59 | Azar | kooldev Debian is 3.0 or 3.1 |
| 06:55.02 | bob2 | kooldev: presumably you already tried to install it and failed |
| 06:55.12 | bob2 | bruce2005: you probably downloaded it wrong |
| 06:55.25 | Guerin | Azar: can you explain what that has to do with his problem? |
| 06:55.41 | bruce2005 | bob2: the source or the patch? |
| 06:55.47 | kooldev | bob2: well, the installation procedure under /usr/share/doc for it is really unadequate |
| 06:55.49 | bob2 | bruce2005: the patch |
| 06:55.50 | Azar | Guerin just was wondering if he runs woody or sarge with 2.6.11 |
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| 06:55.55 | RainbowW | did dselect make it into sarge? |
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| 06:55.59 | bob2 | kooldev: people.debian.org/~mdz/ |
| 06:56.01 | bob2 | RainbowW: yes |
| 06:56.02 | jm_ | Azar: Woody doesn't have 2.6 kernels |
| 06:56.21 | Azar | oh my bad then.. |
| 06:56.28 | Guerin | Azar: that kernel is in neither woody or sarge. And neither is a 3.0 or a 3.1 - they're DEBIAN version, not kernel versions |
| 06:56.32 | RainbowW | bob2: praise the lord. for all dselect's faults (and there are many) ... i hate aptitude almost as much as i hate redhat. |
| 06:56.40 | tarzeau | RainbowW: yes it's there |
| 06:56.42 | Cheetah | thanks |
| 06:56.44 | bruce2005 | bob2: k what i'm trying to say is if i download a patch from the debian website, can i use it with the source from sourceforge.org |
| 06:56.50 | TimeKilla | ok i edited my menu.lst file, do i need to do anything to update it, or just restart? |
| 06:56.56 | Azar | Guerin is there a Debian 2.6.11? |
| 06:56.57 | bob2 | bruce2005: the source of what? |
| 06:57.01 | tarzeau | TimeKilla: restart |
| 06:57.11 | TimeKilla | lol, ok here we go |
| 06:57.13 | bruce2005 | bob2: sorry i mean the kernel source |
| 06:57.19 | kooldev | bob2: thanks for the link. have u gone through it ?? |
| 06:57.28 | bob2 | bruce2005: er, you're getting the kernel source from sourgeforge? |
| 06:57.28 | Guerin | Azar: no. there is a linux kernel version 2.6.11, which debian distributes |
| 06:57.30 | bob2 | kooldev: yes |
| 06:57.37 | bruce2005 | bob2: ya |
| 06:57.41 | kooldev | bob2: am installing the file, just want to get a little more info on it |
| 06:57.50 | Azar | Guerin: <kooldev> am having trouble with UML, anyone got it working under Debian 2.6.11 or has a good source to install it ? the man for it is really not well. |
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| 06:57.53 | kooldev | s/installing/downloading |
| 06:57.57 | Guerin | bob2 pwns the channel once again |
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| 06:58.01 | RainbowW | wow. switching to the 2.4 kernel on this laptop install i'm doing has helped a lot. |
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| 06:58.06 | bob2 | bruce2005: why? |
| 06:58.12 | bob2 | kooldev: ok |
| 06:58.28 | bob2 | I pwned who in the what now? |
| 06:58.32 | TimeKilla | omfg |
| 06:58.37 | bruce2005 | bob2: hmmm, i thought i might follow the site's instructions so nothing goes wrong |
| 06:58.50 | bob2 | bruce2005: you're also being useless vague |
| 06:58.57 | kooldev | bob2: sorry for this stupid Q, but thats an .ext2, what are we supposed to do with it ? |
| 06:58.59 | TimeKilla | OMG... i spent all night trying to get this damn thing to work... I wait till bob and jm are on.. and once again... xpert advice.. thanx men. |
| 06:59.02 | bob2 | bruce2005: if you're just starting out, there's no point using skas |
| 06:59.12 | Guerin | bob2: isn't the highlighting starting to hurt your eyes? |
| 06:59.23 | bob2 | bruce2005: just compile the client kernel and run it on your normal system |
| 06:59.28 | rorot | I used noweb to generate a c source file from a .nw file, but noweb only generated a .tex file, there is on .c file, why ? |
| 06:59.35 | TimeKilla | documentation on the net was refering to a grub.conf file and i couldn't find it or edit it |
| 06:59.36 | bob2 | kooldev: it's a filesystem image, you tell the uml client to mount it |
| 06:59.36 | Azar | !praise bob2 |
| 06:59.40 | bob2 | Guerin: hah |
| 06:59.49 | bob2 | I should change the colours, bright red is painful |
| 07:00.01 | Guerin | mine is still default yeller |
| 07:00.07 | Guerin | wheee |
| 07:00.09 | jm_ | TimeKilla: grub.conf is some stupidity that showed up in SuSE/RH - GRUB itself has always used menu.lst as config file |
| 07:00.14 | Guerin | morning classes cancelled tomorrow |
| 07:00.19 | Guerin | this job kicks arse |
| 07:00.20 | bob2 | but still get paid? |
| 07:00.23 | TimeKilla | thanx again |
| 07:00.23 | Guerin | yes :) |
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| 07:00.34 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:00.38 | TimeKilla | it was easy with an example to follow |
| 07:00.52 | bob2 | rorot: does the .nw file contain any C? |
| 07:00.56 | bob2 | god I hate literate programming |
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| 07:01.01 | kooldev | bob2: I thought that file is supposed to help me install UML .. |
| 07:01.12 | bob2 | kooldev: ? |
| 07:01.23 | bob2 | kooldev: it's the basic debian system you get the uml kernel to boot |
| 07:01.23 | rorot | bob2: yes, this .nw file contains bothe c source and its document. |
| 07:01.50 | kooldev | bob2: I dont have UML even installed .. |
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| 07:01.56 | bruce2005 | bob2: i need to install uml, where should i start off, |
| 07:01.57 | bob2 | rorot: doesn't noweb need an argument to produce the source output? |
| 07:02.02 | Guerin | W.T.F |
| 07:02.03 | bob2 | bruce2005: need? why? |
| 07:02.07 | jm_ | bruce2005: are you using 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:02.09 | zongzi | UML (some kind of $$ ?) |
| 07:02.14 | rorot | bob2: i used noweb as follows: noweb scan.nw; and then there is a new scan.tex file, but no c source :( |
| 07:02.15 | bruce2005 | 2.4 kernel |
| 07:02.20 | Guerin | there are two files on the desktop of this win98 machine i'm shelling from |
| 07:02.32 | Guerin | passwd and passwd~ |
| 07:02.33 | bob2 | rorot: does it need an argument to produce source code? (ie read the manpage) |
| 07:02.44 | jm_ | ok, then you need to download and apply the patch, they have instructions for it on their site - UserModeLinux-HOWTO.txt |
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| 07:02.57 | zongzi | I will keep away from UML :) |
| 07:02.58 | bob2 | jm_: only for a 2.4 client |
| 07:03.17 | kooldev | why installing UML on debian such a pain ... |
| 07:03.18 | jm_ | bob2: that's why I asked him if he's using 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 07:03.21 | rorot | bob2: I'll go to see the man page, thanks |
| 07:03.28 | bob2 | jm_: I don't think bruce2005 understooed the question |
| 07:03.30 | bob2 | kooldev: it's trivial |
| 07:03.36 | bruce2005 | jm: i did that but i got an error saying "only garbage was found in the patch input" |
| 07:03.39 | bob2 | kooldev: install client kernel. get root image. boot. |
| 07:03.52 | bruce2005 | oh i'm using 2.4 |
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| 07:03.56 | jm_ | bruce2005: yes, that means you didn't download it correctly, like bob2 said - how does the file start? |
| 07:03.58 | bob2 | bruce2005: so, you know UML involves two kernels, right? |
| 07:04.20 | bruce2005 | ya |
| 07:04.24 | QUACH-VU | any one help me? i have this problem |
| 07:04.25 | QUACH-VU | t422:/var/www/web2/html# mysqldump -u web2 -p usr_web2_1 --opt --compatible=mysql40 > usr_web2_1.sql |
| 07:04.25 | QUACH-VU | Enter password: |
| 07:04.25 | QUACH-VU | mysqldump: Got error: 1044: Access denied for user 'web2'@'localhost' to database 'usr_web2_1' when using LOCK TABLES |
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| 07:04.32 | bob2 | bruce2005: so, you're using a 2.4 or 2.6 client? |
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| 07:04.37 | bob2 | and if you say 2.4, why not w.6? |
| 07:05.04 | bruce2005 | bob2: i didn't think it really mattered if i use 2.4 or 2.4 |
| 07:05.04 | mort_ | QUACH-VU: try as root? |
| 07:05.11 | bruce2005 | 2.6 |
| 07:05.14 | kooldev | bob2:; : if u dont mind me asking, where did get the instructions on how to do these steps ? |
| 07:05.14 | Guerin | QUACH-VU: what makes you think this is not a question better asked of #mysql? |
| 07:05.19 | bob2 | bruce2005: 2.6 means not patching |
| 07:05.25 | bob2 | kooldev: don't remember |
| 07:05.29 | bob2 | kooldev: uml isn't very complicated, tho |
| 07:05.36 | kooldev | bob2. ayyy |
| 07:05.48 | kooldev | bob2: it would really help if u could find it :P |
| 07:05.52 | Guerin | !u |
| 07:05.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:06.08 | medhunter | hi ; used mandrake 10 but I miss here control , maybe coz Root can't login graphical interface |
| 07:06.08 | kooldev | sorry about you thing. |
| 07:06.09 | bob2 | kooldev: there's fifty bajillion howtos |
| 07:06.11 | Azar | bob2 what is 3.1r3 if the official Sarge release is 3.1r0 ? |
| 07:06.15 | bob2 | kooldev: and I told you all you need to do already |
| 07:06.15 | medhunter | for exampe |
| 07:06.18 | bob2 | Azar: it doesn't exist |
| 07:06.22 | jm_ | bruce2005: for 2.6 just read Documentation/uml/UserModeLinux-HOWTO.txt |
| 07:06.24 | Guerin | Azar: a figment of your imagination |
| 07:06.36 | Azar | bob2 so I thought as well |
| 07:06.44 | medhunter | I need to change mouse options as it is only 2 button by default |
| 07:06.48 | Azar | Guerin you were not here when someone pretended it has it |
| 07:06.57 | Guerin | medhunter: learn to use the shell. |
| 07:06.57 | medhunter | used KDE Control center |
| 07:06.59 | bruce2005 | jm: so i guess i'll start over again and download 2.6, |
| 07:07.09 | rorot | bob2: noweb has only two arguments, -t to suppress generation of Tex file, while -o suppress generation of output file. |
| 07:07.10 | Guerin | Azar: a figment of that person's imagination, then :) |
| 07:07.13 | medhunter | no other way but shell commands |
| 07:07.16 | medhunter | !!!!!!!1 |
| 07:07.17 | dpkg | 1 |
| 07:07.18 | takatumi | Azar: he corrected and said it was rc3 |
| 07:07.19 | Azar | :) |
| 07:07.22 | jm_ | bruce2005: well you can also re-download 2.4 UML patch and use that, whatever is easier for you |
| 07:07.31 | bob2 | kooldev: the user-mode-linux package in sid and woody contains a prebuilt kernel |
| 07:07.33 | Guerin | medhunter: what do you need a gui to do? |
| 07:07.34 | bob2 | bruce2005: ^^^ |
| 07:07.39 | tezza | what's the best way to upgrade to a 2.6.x kernel after freshly installing debian 3.1 ? |
| 07:07.43 | Azar | takatumi, oh I see I did not followed all |
| 07:07.48 | bob2 | tezza: install one and reboot |
| 07:07.55 | rorot | bob2: so I think noweb will generate both .tex and source file in the default. |
| 07:07.56 | Guerin | tezza: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 07:08.01 | bruce2005 | jm: can i download the uml patch debian and use it with the kernel source i downloaded from sourceforge? |
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| 07:08.12 | bob2 | rorot: ok |
| 07:08.14 | medhunter | to change mouse options , configure alot of system's properties |
| 07:08.23 | bob2 | medhunter: then use mandrake |
| 07:08.24 | Guerin | medhunter: what DE do you use? |
| 07:08.26 | jm_ | bruce2005: to be honest, I don't know - it might need Debian's kernel sources, I have always used vanilla kernels |
| 07:08.27 | tezza | Guerin: would it be best to set apt sources first then? especially if i want the latest packages? |
| 07:08.49 | Guerin | tezza: you said you've just upgraded to 3.1 - thus, your sources are set. |
| 07:08.53 | kooldev | bob2: for some reason am having hard time with this UML. I dod google around, but its not very clear to me yet. |
| 07:08.53 | medhunter | DE ? Excuse me |
| 07:09.00 | Guerin | medhunter: desktop environment |
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| 07:09.05 | tezza | Guerin: i said i freshly installed 3.1 - from a dvd |
| 07:09.05 | medhunter | KDE |
| 07:09.09 | bob2 | kooldev: just get the binary package from sid |
| 07:09.10 | sshack | How do I make alsa work in sarge? |
| 07:09.15 | bob2 | !beer Guerin |
| 07:09.18 | Guerin | medhunter: kcontrol is your gui helpcentre |
| 07:09.21 | bob2 | sshack: install 2.6 kernel. enjoy! |
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| 07:09.39 | sshack | bob2, Done, doesn't work. Demands to use oss |
| 07:09.39 | bruce2005 | jm: if i use the debian sources and patches, can i use the instructions from sourceforge, caus i couldn;t find any instruction on debian |
| 07:09.40 | Guerin | bob2: why thankee. |
| 07:09.44 | AciD|Wrk | oi |
| 07:09.47 | medhunter | Right but still some thins wouldn't change |
| 07:09.51 | medhunter | like resolution |
| 07:09.53 | bob2 | sshack: blacklist oss in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 07:09.55 | Guerin | medhunter: LIKE WHAT? |
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| 07:10.04 | medhunter | resolution |
| 07:10.04 | Guerin | !drxx medhunter |
| 07:10.08 | dpkg | medhunter: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 07:10.12 | kooldev | bob2: if u find the howto you have used, please let me know. In the mean time I am google again. |
| 07:10.16 | bob2 | kooldev: dude |
| 07:10.17 | TimeKilla | sheet: ok i might have a problem here. I setup that menu.lst and restarted the comp, then i went to my windows drive and started installing windows on it. when it restarted... no menu. Did it rewrite the MBR on me? |
| 07:10.18 | sshack | bob2, Why am I configuring sound by hand in 2005? |
| 07:10.22 | bob2 | kooldev: 17:07:33 bob2 | kooldev: the user-mode-linux package in sid and woody contains a prebuilt kernel |
| 07:10.31 | bob2 | sshack: because you don't want the defaults |
| 07:10.43 | Guerin | !blacklist |
| 07:10.44 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 07:10.45 | bob2 | kooldev: install that package and then run it with the .ext2 image you downloaded |
| 07:10.46 | medhunter | mouse only 2 buttons ; conf it to 3 how? |
| 07:10.49 | Guerin | sshack: there you go. Enjoy. |
| 07:10.50 | medhunter | command |
| 07:10.53 | medhunter | !!!!!!!! |
| 07:11.03 | Guerin | !drxx medhunter |
| 07:11.04 | dpkg | medhunter: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 07:11.07 | Azar | oi someone get upset |
| 07:11.12 | bob2 | medhunter: stop it |
| 07:11.20 | bob2 | medhunter: the bot told you what to do |
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| 07:11.30 | sshack | bob2, Okay, so am supposed to reboot or something? |
| 07:11.31 | nomed^ | hi |
| 07:11.37 | bob2 | sshack: yes |
| 07:11.43 | tezza | Guerin: all i have is the cdrom set in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:11.44 | medhunter | bob2 well ; I 'll stop Debian ; thx for nothing |
| 07:11.52 | sshack | alsa has the module for my soundcard loaded. It just doesn't find my card. |
| 07:11.55 | nomed^ | what is the script that cleans the tmp dir at boot time? |
| 07:11.57 | medhunter | rest ; thank u all |
| 07:11.58 | bob2 | medhunter: ok, cya |
| 07:11.59 | Guerin | medhunter: between your abuse of your ! and enter keys, and your drooling into the keyboard, I expect you're going to need a new one |
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| 07:12.04 | sshack | Which it has in the last 7 redhat releases. |
| 07:12.08 | jm_ | bruce2005: well try it, I only know the vanilla way - you can also just use 2.6 kernel if it's too problematic for you |
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| 07:12.13 | nomed^ | i can't remember .. |
| 07:12.49 | jm_ | nomed^: bootclean.sh isn't obvious enough? |
| 07:13.08 | nomed^ | actually ... yes .. |
| 07:13.09 | TimeKilla | Ok, so i had my bootloader setup fine, then i went into my windows drive and started to setup windows. The computer restarted and now there is no bootloader, just the windows setup restarting. Did windows overwrite my MBR? |
| 07:13.39 | jm_ | TimeKilla: of course |
| 07:13.40 | takatumi | TimeKilla: yes, time for a CD. |
| 07:14.05 | Azar | busted |
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| 07:14.20 | RainbowW | i've got a screwball problem and can find exactly one reference on google to a similar problem: when i cold boot the latitude ls, everything works fine. when i warm boot, dma fails with status errors, and the net card doesn't work. sarge release, still trying to install. has this been seen? |
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| 07:14.35 | RainbowW | the ref i found was in 2004, so it happened under woody too |
| 07:14.46 | TimeKilla | Ok i got my netinst cd here. Can i bypass the setup of the netinst and just access the filesystem from it and resetup just the grub? |
| 07:14.51 | Guerin | RainbowW: probably acpi |
| 07:15.09 | tezza | is there anyway to change the console resolution, it is huge... |
| 07:15.10 | takatumi | TimeKilla: Alt-F2 for shell |
| 07:15.23 | RainbowW | Guerin: you're suggesting turning it off in grub? |
| 07:15.30 | bob2 | TimeKilla: follow the install through to the partitioning stage |
| 07:15.37 | Guerin | tezza: yeah. boot, get a shell, mount /, chroot to it, grub-install && update-grub && reboot |
| 07:15.39 | eskaypey | what r0a means in the name of cd image |
| 07:15.40 | TimeKilla | yes bot? |
| 07:15.41 | nomed^ | jm_, could you just tell me when it's better to run it ? .. (inittab--runlevel 2) |
| 07:15.41 | Guerin | RainbowW: yes. |
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| 07:15.48 | RainbowW | Guerin: will try, danke. |
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| 07:16.03 | Guerin | !fix mbr |
| 07:16.08 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:16.09 | TimeKilla | Ok bob.. so i follow it through to the partitioning stage, then alt f2? |
| 07:16.20 | freenerd | the kernel doesn't autodetect my raid-1, mdadm -D /dev/md0 says mdadm: md device /dev/md0 does not appear to be active., i got this problem after i upgraded to sarge, any help? |
| 07:16.25 | bob2 | TimeKilla: then switch to the other console (alt-f2), then run mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda". |
| 07:16.25 | nomed^ | jm_, rcS or rc2 ? S<?> .. |
| 07:16.29 | Azar | :) dpkg pwned Guerin |
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| 07:16.33 | bob2 | TimeKilla: where hda is your hard disk |
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| 07:16.46 | jm_ | nomed^: it has to be run very early in the process - Debian does that for you |
| 07:17.11 | TimeKilla | thanx man |
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| 07:18.22 | TimeKilla | i'm just gonna get windows solid so it won't piss with my setup again .. |
| 07:18.24 | TimeKilla | lol |
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| 07:18.41 | Guerin | !fixmbr is <reply> So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
| 07:18.41 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 07:20.41 | sbk | I liked the !fix mbr factoid better :-) |
| 07:20.56 | Guerin | sbk: marginally less informative, though |
| 07:20.59 | RainbowW | i'm having yet another brain fart. what's the pkg config tool that runs immediately after boot, where your options are desktop, web server, file server, etc? |
| 07:21.04 | freefall | gnome2.10 now is in sid? |
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| 07:21.10 | Guerin | RainbowW: tasksel |
| 07:21.18 | rixth | Roughly how long was Sarge testing before it was released? |
| 07:21.19 | Guerin | freefall: bits of it are |
| 07:21.26 | bob2 | rixth: 2.5 years |
| 07:21.30 | rixth | Thanks |
| 07:21.37 | Guerin | RainbowW: 2 years 10.5 months |
| 07:21.38 | sbk | Guerin: true, true. But for sheer entertainment value... :-) |
| 07:21.41 | bob2 | hah |
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| 07:21.48 | idnar | what if they're using lilo? |
| 07:21.48 | freefall | Guerin:so it is not best time to upgrade? |
| 07:21.59 | Guerin | freefall: suck it and see. Use -s. |
| 07:22.07 | Guerin | idnar: then they should use grub :) |
| 07:22.20 | tcsetattr | so who won that sarge pool? |
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| 07:22.37 | jim | pool of sarges? |
| 07:22.39 | freefall | Guerin:I'll just wait for a while :) |
| 07:22.43 | Guerin | !sarge pool 4 |
| 07:22.43 | dpkg | Keep 'em coming! blk=2005-01-23 <alejandro_>=2005-02-15 #perl-magic-8-ball-bot=2005-01-01 Zone=2004-11-29 karsten=2003-12-01 abrotman=2004-10-02 Guerin=2005-03-13 Kerpal=2005-01-01 FieldySnuts=2009-12-31 scarynetworkguy=2005-01-03 directhex=2004-12-25 <cantona>=2004-08-19 <cantona>=2004-8-19 andika=2005-01-31 Cit=2004-05-20 g0llum=2004-07-26 dan2=2004-06-24 bztunk=2004-09-11 obake=2004-04-31 guestish=2004-05-30 <galois>=2004-07-09 |
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| 07:22.53 | jim | pleeeease release sarge, let him gooooo... |
| 07:23.00 | Guerin | !sarge pool 3 |
| 07:23.00 | dpkg | Still more bets on the next stable release date! <ghostman>=1111-11-11 fwd=2004-04-01 baloo=2004-07-01 fwd=2004-04-01 little=2005-12-01 bahamat=2004-04-13 stew=2004-07-07 ghostman=2004-07-22 <nick>=3198-01-30 zergouille_=2010-01-01 zergouille_=2004-02-29 troubled=2038-01-01 beth=2004-06-08 GCBirzan=2005-02-13 <linkx>=2004-12-20 odl=2004-12-20 disasm=2004-04-01 RichiH=2004-03-21 Misirlou=2004-04-05 keta=2004-06-21 |
| 07:23.06 | RainbowW | is there a way to get tasksel to omit a particular package? the error i'm getting suggests aptitude in sid is br0ked. |
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| 07:23.27 | freenerd | the kernel doesn't autodetect my raid-1, mdadm -D /dev/md0 says mdadm: md device /dev/md0 does not appear to be active., i got this problem after i upgraded to sarge, any help? |
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| 07:24.01 | Guerin | well |
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| 07:24.12 | jim | freenerd: got your old kernel around still? |
| 07:24.18 | RainbowW | too bad nobody could get r. lee earmey to give us an mp3 or ogg with him screaming something like, "install debian now you maggot!" |
| 07:24.25 | Guerin | it's hard to tell, since there's one for 050607 and 050610 in sarge pool 5 |
| 07:24.50 | freenerd | jim: i tried with 2.4.31, my old kernel, didn't work, i now run 2.6.11.11, same problem |
| 07:24.55 | Agabus | wats a DMG file? |
| 07:25.11 | jim | Agabus:DaMaGed? |
| 07:25.22 | tarzeau | !dmg |
| 07:25.25 | bob2 | Agabus: isn't that a Mac disk image? |
| 07:25.27 | jim | Heya azar :) |
| 07:25.30 | tarzeau | bob2: yes it is |
| 07:25.39 | Guerin | Rydekull=2005-06-07 gets the cookie |
| 07:25.42 | Agabus | oh k |
| 07:25.45 | pajama | I followed all step decribed here http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 07:25.47 | tarzeau | Agabus: next time just, file whateverfile |
| 07:25.50 | Azar | heya jim I am almost set |
| 07:26.00 | pajama | but it didn't work, anybody has any tought? |
| 07:26.04 | sep | freenerd: when i upgraded i got asked a question saying, do you want to automaticaly start your raid devices on boot, you answered yes i assume ? |
| 07:26.07 | jim | set for what? |
| 07:26.09 | Guerin | !didn't work |
| 07:26.09 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:26.30 | Azar | jim with the X stuff, video and sound |
| 07:26.44 | jim | that's good :) |
| 07:27.16 | freenerd | sep: i don't remember such a question |
| 07:27.19 | jim | so which do you have working completely so far? x and sound? |
| 07:27.31 | RainbowW | god i hate it when i make stupid mistakes |
| 07:27.33 | sep | freenerd: and you upgraded all your packages ? |
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| 07:27.38 | freenerd | sep: yes |
| 07:27.41 | Azar | jim everything is working now I learn about configuring x managers |
| 07:27.57 | Azar | shell scripting among others.. |
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| 07:28.09 | jim | oh, -good- |
| 07:28.31 | sep | i certainly got it, either from mdadm or from raidtools. you could try dpkg-recongfigure -plow mdadm and perhaps the same for your raidtools |
| 07:28.34 | Guerin | Azar: why do you need to learn shell to configure windowmanagers? |
| 07:28.36 | jim | if you like lisp as a scripting language, you might try scsh and scwm |
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| 07:28.45 | jim | and gimp |
| 07:28.46 | Azar | Guerin: out of curiosity |
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| 07:29.12 | Azar | jim I only use feh now, as is the only one I know... I will jump on more complex applications later |
| 07:29.12 | jim | everyone needs to learn their shell :P |
| 07:29.40 | TimeKilla | the delay time in menu.lst file, how can i get it to just wait for input and not go to default? |
| 07:29.59 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:30.17 | lobz | hi, i installed the xfonts-terminus package on sarge but the font does not appear in gnome-terminal's font selection dialog |
| 07:30.24 | jm_ | tried commenting out timeout command? |
| 07:30.26 | Guerin | i just had a moment of great fear when aptitude update on my stable box yielded Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main Sources |
| 07:30.30 | jim | it's really good that he's actually starting on it |
| 07:30.39 | Azar | Guerin, for me right now learning debian and all related to it is a hobby , not a necessity |
| 07:30.42 | TimeKilla | i'm just scared to bugger it up |
| 07:31.00 | jm_ | you know how to use netinst ISO for rescue booting now ;) |
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| 07:31.13 | Guerin | Azar: me too. I started to learn shell so i could automate trivial stuff like moving files around and converting music from format to format and so on. |
| 07:31.15 | TimeKilla | true :) |
| 07:31.43 | Guerin | TimeKilla: that's probably not a good idea |
| 07:31.49 | Azar | as long I can boot it up, use a text editor, links, ftp, irssi I consider I have what it takes... all rest is just decoration |
| 07:32.01 | freenerd | sep: raid is compiled into the kernel, so i don't have to start it |
| 07:32.03 | jim | does the netinst iso have nice sbin progs on it? |
| 07:32.09 | Guerin | TimeKilla: for instance; if your power goes out, your box will just sit there until you come and boot it |
| 07:32.10 | TimeKilla | guerin: whats probably not a good idea? |
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| 07:32.15 | Guerin | TimeKilla: no timeout |
| 07:32.31 | FlimFlamMan | hi. i haven't used VPN before, and i'd like to investigate setting up a vpn from my debian-sarge client to one of our windows domains. is anyone aware of a good resource for getting started with VPN for this purpose? |
| 07:32.31 | Guerin | jim: the netinst has busybox |
| 07:32.41 | jim | oic |
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| 07:32.55 | TimeKilla | Guerin true.. But in my case, i' not running any mission critical apps. Just using this as a hobby like azar. |
| 07:32.58 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: when you're searching, bear in mind "vpn" is a general term |
| 07:33.11 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: the VPn style that MS pushes is called "pptp" |
| 07:33.16 | Guerin | TimeKilla: being able to shell into your home box from afar is a wonderful thing. |
| 07:33.21 | jim | on which you can install tar, bash, ar, gzip, fsck, all the fsck.*s, etc |
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| 07:33.36 | jim | cat, grep, echo, head, tail |
| 07:33.36 | TimeKilla | guerin, i'm still learning the shell. lol |
| 07:33.39 | FlimFlamMan | bob2, thanks for that information |
| 07:33.46 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: pptp.sf.net is a good start |
| 07:33.54 | FlimFlamMan | excellent, thank you |
| 07:34.05 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: ipsec is the IETF standard for it, which I believe windows xp sp2 supports out of the box |
| 07:34.50 | FlimFlamMan | pptp-linux <-- i guess that's the debian package i want? |
| 07:35.09 | RainbowW | the sarge installer automatically puts the swap partition into the extended partition, rather than into a primary partition. is there a reason for this? |
| 07:35.13 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: yes |
| 07:35.33 | Guerin | RainbowW: you can only have 4 primary partitions; it's nice to have it out of the way |
| 07:35.46 | jim | azar: the shell is a good tool... it has a fair degree of depth to it... but you might like perl, python, tcl, scheme, smalltalk, others better |
| 07:36.20 | Guerin | the way I see it... you've always got shell, no matter where you are |
| 07:36.25 | RainbowW | Guerin: is that a philosophical choice in most situations, eg where the primary partition (eg hda1) takes up the entire drive except what's allocated to swap? |
| 07:36.41 | RainbowW | or is it actually a technical reason beyond the 4 primary limitation? |
| 07:36.49 | Guerin | RainbowW: that partition could be resized at any point |
| 07:36.56 | jim | Guerin: but not always the shell you expect (maybe csh for example) |
| 07:36.56 | jm_ | technical - there's only space for 4 entries in MBR |
| 07:36.59 | Guerin | RainbowW: i'm not sure about that end. |
| 07:37.13 | jim | you can almost always compile bash |
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| 07:37.42 | Guerin | jim: true. |
| 07:37.59 | RainbowW | my cat is losing her hair. not like shedding losing ... more like ... going bald. :-( |
| 07:38.14 | Guerin | RainbowW: stop feeding it the glowing water |
| 07:38.23 | jm_ | raing;maybe she's trying to look like her owner? :P |
| 07:38.44 | FlimFlamMan | great, gotta patch kernel to get it to work apparently |
| 07:38.46 | RainbowW | Guerin: how did you know i live in the chernobyl dead zone? |
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| 07:39.18 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: yes |
| 07:39.21 | jim | because he just touched you and got a vision! |
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| 07:40.03 | RainbowW | does anybody know of a free firewall (linux-based helpful) that does nat both 1:1 and 1:many, assignable on a by-client basis? or would i hafta rig something myself? |
| 07:40.17 | jm_ | did you check openwall? |
| 07:40.31 | RainbowW | i will now. |
| 07:40.38 | Guerin | ipcop? |
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| 07:40.42 | sep | FlimFlamMan: ipsec dont requite recompile and interoperates with a lot of different vendors |
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| 07:40.52 | FlimFlamMan | sep, windows vpn? |
| 07:42.08 | sep | FlimFlamMan: windows vpn ? are there only one vpn for windows ? i know w2k can do ipsec, but the implementation sucks so i ususly end up doing vpn into the lan itself, not to the individual windows host |
| 07:42.21 | nomed^ | i can't understand why tmp is not cleaned at boot .. /etc/default/rcS .. TMPTIME=0 .. |
| 07:42.26 | nomed^ | any suggestions? |
| 07:42.33 | bob2 | /tmp/ is, /var/tmp/ isn't |
| 07:42.53 | grimse | hi. the installer freezes when `starting pc-card services` on my laptop. tried to disable pcmcia and apic support. can someone help? |
| 07:43.02 | jim | debian is pretty good at being a gateway (one form of router)... someone ought to build a router installer out of a debian-installer |
| 07:43.04 | zongzi | because ... ram? |
| 07:43.57 | nomed^ | bob2, var/tmp is't .. and /tmp the same .. |
| 07:44.05 | grimse | zongzi, no |
| 07:44.06 | sep | jim: leaf.sf.net it have no installer, but again it's smaller footprint, and fits nicely on a 8mb cf card |
| 07:44.17 | zongzi | grimse: so? |
| 07:44.18 | jm_ | nomeata: do you have /tmp/.clean ? |
| 07:44.22 | bob2 | sep: with ssh? |
| 07:44.23 | jm_ | nomed^ ^^^^^^ |
| 07:44.34 | zongzi | grimse: net you... |
| 07:44.39 | bob2 | actually, I'd probably just get a 128MB cf card and put debian |
| 07:44.40 | nomed^ | jm_, thanks .. |
| 07:44.44 | zongzi | grimse: not to you |
| 07:44.46 | sep | bob2: if you remove the webadmin thing you dont need and the bridge tools yes |
| 07:44.51 | grimse | oh, sry |
| 07:44.52 | sep | on 1 floppy |
| 07:44.52 | bob2 | sep: neat |
| 07:45.02 | bob2 | ah, but 2.2-only? |
| 07:45.09 | sep | bob 2.4 |
| 07:45.19 | bob2 | hmm |
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| 07:46.18 | sep | bob2 uses fd0u1680 so there is plenty of space |
| 07:46.25 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:47.11 | sep | bob2 i use flash on a ide module so i have an awsome 16 MB to waste. it's ususaly only 2 or 3 in use |
| 07:47.36 | bob2 | very cool |
| 07:47.43 | sep | bob2: so i run snmp ospfd bgp shorewall ssh and a lot of stuff |
| 07:47.54 | bob2 | that + some battery backed ram would kick enormous amonts of arse |
| 07:48.02 | bob2 | sep: I guess you do syslog over tcp or something? |
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| 07:48.19 | sep | bob2: yes, but the default is to syslog to ramdisk. |
| 07:48.29 | bob2 | hmm |
| 07:48.45 | sep | you just alter that in the config menu so you get syslog on tcp |
| 07:49.09 | sep | it's orginaly for firewalls, but with some tweaks it is a great router |
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| 07:49.17 | bob2 | yeah, I bet |
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| 07:49.32 | sep | i run borders and core routers on it, using quagga both ospfd and bgp |
| 07:49.43 | WorkerII | Someone: How bad is GNOME broken in SID? |
| 07:49.44 | bob2 | that would be very cool if I could get one of those little pc-104 machines |
| 07:49.45 | Azar | I have no idea about eterm but I just looked at what is coming with.. nice gadgets |
| 07:49.48 | bob2 | with two ethernet pors |
| 07:50.06 | WorkerII | bob2: Buy ASUS WL-500g deluxe. |
| 07:50.35 | WorkerII | bob2: You can put USB harddisk on it. |
| 07:50.46 | WorkerII | bob2: And install debian on it. |
| 07:50.49 | Azar | I have read something in the news titles today but did not payed attention: there is some issues with Gnome borking in Debian... maybe Sarge |
| 07:50.52 | sep | i have been using regular micro atx's , primary becouse i have a truck of spareparts at all times, but space is becoming an increasing issue so... |
| 07:50.53 | bob2 | hah, the point of pc-104 is to not have moving parts |
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| 07:51.15 | WorkerII | bob2: Then put USB-memory stick in .. or just do with the build in flash. |
| 07:51.26 | newbie | hi guys! can u help me synchronize my watch with an ntp server? |
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| 07:51.51 | WorkerII | bob2: I am not sure flash is enough for debian .. but then you can run something else on it. Depends on what purpose you want it to serve. :-) |
| 07:51.53 | sep | newbie: apt-get install ntpdate ntp-simple |
| 07:52.10 | abel | hello all anyone know what i have to do to compile and add a module to my kernel ? i need usb-uhci on my debian sarge but modprobe don't find it |
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| 07:52.16 | WorkerII | newbie: Is your watch connectable to your computer? |
| 07:52.19 | RainbowW | too bad uta.edu or tcu.edu doesn't mirror debian. uta mirrors fedora, but not debian. blah. |
| 07:52.30 | newbie | sep:is there any configuration to make? |
| 07:52.39 | WorkerII | RainbowW: Call them and get them to not mirror fedora. |
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| 07:52.58 | sep | abel: you type it wrong updatedb && locate uhci |
| 07:52.58 | maximien | hi all |
| 07:53.04 | RainbowW | WorkerII: their response would be to cut off my network access. |
| 07:53.38 | spaetz | sep, actually ntpdate was enough for me |
| 07:53.38 | drac | abel: uhci_hcd ? |
| 07:53.44 | sep | newbie: nothing that dpkg-reconfigure shoudnt handle, and the defaults work also. but i do recomend using a local timeserver |
| 07:53.45 | abel | sep : i try |
| 07:53.49 | spaetz | if all you want to do is synchronize |
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| 07:54.25 | abel | drac : thanks |
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| 07:54.59 | sep | spaetz: ntpdate sets your clock on boottime, ntp-simple keeps your clock in sync at all times. a server that is on for years at the time, will drift in time with only ntpdate |
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| 07:55.42 | RainbowW | why am i unable to issue a ctrl-c to break apt-get after tasksel? |
| 07:55.47 | blah123 | so now that sarge is out. I should change my sources.list from testing to stable yes? |
| 07:55.54 | spaetz | sep: ahh, that's right of course. |
| 07:55.56 | grimse | so, nobody`s familiar with freezing. debian-installers? |
| 07:55.59 | sep | bob2: iv been pondering and repoindering what smallformfactory pc to get, but im not to enthusiastic about any of them |
| 07:56.02 | bob2 | blah123: if you want to keep using sarge, yes |
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| 07:56.08 | blah123 | yup |
| 07:56.10 | geert_ | hi anyone else having problems apach2 eating 100% cpu? It has something to do with auth_ldap |
| 07:56.12 | RainbowW | blah123: unless you want to follow etch. |
| 07:56.19 | jm_ | blah123: you can avoid such problems by referring to releases with code-names (woody, sarge, ...) |
| 07:56.25 | blah123 | well I tried updateing and "testing" gave me 404's. so |
| 07:56.30 | spaetz | As the laptop I used is never on for more than a few ours ntpdate was sufficient for me then. I remember now |
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| 07:56.42 | technos | I've used Soekris boards, they worked rather well, but they are pretty much bottom of the barrel as far as performance goes in a small-form-factor box.. |
| 07:56.49 | blah123 | which then I researched and found out sarge was released so :) |
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| 07:57.19 | sep | grimse: i would have assumed nopcmcia should handle that, but you might ask in #debian-boot for better educated answers |
| 07:57.20 | henk | I've just installed debian with the official 100M netinst stable disks and already at startup i get flooded with errors "devfs_mk_dir : invalid argument ... could not appen to parent for /disc" I've installed debian to lvm on software raid1 using the official installer. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 07:57.23 | Kjetil | *wonders why the old debian iso torrent is still alive* |
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| 07:57.39 | sep | technos: i was more looking for gigabits on idividual pci busses... |
| 07:57.51 | blah123 | thanks again |
| 07:57.56 | bob2 | blah123: there are no security updates for testing |
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| 07:59.47 | RainbowW | my problem with dma after a warm boot was indeed acpi. thank you, whomever suggested that. |
| 07:59.48 | technos | sep: Oooooh. Totally different ball of wax there. :) |
| 08:00.06 | bob2 | sep: yeah...they all seem either too noisy or too expensive |
| 08:00.25 | bob2 | sep: a 486-class small-form-factore machine for $200 or so would rock |
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| 08:00.37 | jm_ | you can buy them for less than $200 I thought |
| 08:00.57 | bob2 | with two ethernet ports? |
| 08:01.08 | jm_ | let me try and find the link I once checked |
| 08:01.20 | technos | Half a dozen companies make 486 class machines in tiny form factors for under $200. |
| 08:01.35 | bob2 | where? |
| 08:01.40 | TimeKilla | describe tiny form factor? |
| 08:01.46 | bob2 | pc-104 |
| 08:01.51 | bob2 | like 15cmx15cm |
| 08:01.51 | Kjetil | matchbox size ? |
| 08:01.53 | nomed^ | i needed to run update-rc.d bootclean.sh defaults ... i still can't understand why the links in rcX.d didn't exist anymore .. apt-get install --reinstall should recreate them? |
| 08:01.58 | TimeKilla | oh |
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| 08:02.38 | henk | bob2 mini itc (17cm817cm) is too big ? |
| 08:02.42 | henk | itx even |
| 08:02.45 | sep | bob2: i'd need from 3-6 ports depending on the project |
| 08:02.49 | bob2 | hm, I haven't heard of mini-itc |
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| 08:02.59 | jm_ | ahh I was checking out soekris page ;) |
| 08:03.19 | sean_micken | "nvidia one-liner" doesn't have the command to install "nvidia-kernel-common" -- isn't that required? |
| 08:03.24 | sep | soekris is ok for a lan firewall or similar, but not so good for a router |
| 08:03.52 | sep | sean_micken: if it's needed it's pulled in with dependency |
| 08:04.19 | sep | (dont you juse looove apt) |
| 08:04.30 | bob2 | hm, actually, 486 would probably drown in my vpn traffic |
| 08:04.31 | jm_ | but they have multi port boards |
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| 08:05.18 | Kjetil | buy a via c3 instead of a 486 |
| 08:05.21 | sep | http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/spearhead/mini-itx/ |
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| 08:05.28 | bob2 | Kjetil: hmmm, good idea |
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| 08:05.36 | jm_ | isn't C3 kinda expensive? |
| 08:05.42 | WorkerII | bob2: Why don't you get a WL-500g deluxe? |
| 08:05.45 | sep | i run a few via c3's with passive heatsisnks., works like a charm, but expencive |
| 08:05.53 | bob2 | WorkerII: I already have a linksys wrt-54g |
| 08:05.59 | WorkerII | bob2: Its cheaper than $200, unless I am mistaken. |
| 08:06.06 | WorkerII | bob2: What are you running on it? |
| 08:06.12 | bob2 | WorkerII: some ass firmware |
| 08:06.16 | bob2 | sveasoft, iirc |
| 08:06.17 | icyfire | Hey guys, I'm having a problem turning one of my linux computers into a router, whenever i echo 1 into /proc/sys/net/ip4/ip_forward, and then cay that ip_forward it returns 0, is there something i need to do? Is the amount of information given enough? |
| 08:06.25 | WorkerII | bob2: Get a decent firmware. |
| 08:06.33 | bob2 | icyfire: did you do it as root? |
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| 08:06.34 | WorkerII | bob2: OpenWRT or something. |
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| 08:06.48 | WorkerII | bob2: Sveasoft is trying to evade the GPL. |
| 08:07.02 | icyfire | yea bob2 i did |
| 08:07.02 | bob2 | WorkerII: the problem is a) not enough flash, b) not enough cpu, c) not enough ram |
| 08:07.15 | WorkerII | bob2: Are you on alchymy or talisman? |
| 08:07.16 | gregd | which CDs do I absolutely need in order to get Debian Sarge running? |
| 08:07.16 | bob2 | WorkerII: yeah, sveasoft are arses, hence why I didn't pay |
| 08:07.16 | abel | i try to install a irda usb irda adaptater on my debian on can't succeed. anyone here have allready done this work & can spare a few min to help me ? |
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| 08:07.22 | bob2 | WorkerII: I don't remember |
| 08:07.26 | bob2 | gregd: the first one |
| 08:07.34 | WorkerII | bob2: alchimy then .. old slow firmware, IIRC. |
| 08:07.38 | gregd | k, that's what I thought |
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| 08:07.42 | gregd | thanks |
| 08:07.44 | WorkerII | bob2: WL-500g is 200MHz |
| 08:07.57 | bob2 | WorkerII: arm? |
| 08:08.01 | WorkerII | bob2: I dunno how many VPN tunnels you need .. but they will eat cpu though. |
| 08:08.08 | henk | icyfire your kernel probably doesn't know about ip-forward |
| 08:08.09 | WorkerII | bob2: broadcom ... like wrt54g |
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| 08:08.15 | bob2 | WorkerII: I mean cpu |
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| 08:08.19 | iobound | after upgrading woody -> sarge, the crontab files in /var/spool/cron/crontabs are messed up for NIS-users. anyone else noticed this? they're chowned root:<user's group>, shouldn't they be <user>:crontab ? |
| 08:08.26 | Azar | good night and thanks again, everyone |
| 08:08.35 | WorkerII | bob2: Well, they're compatible with wrt54g. |
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| 08:08.59 | icyfire | henk: i recompiled it with netmasking enabled.. rebooted and such, well, i wouldn't be surprised though, is there a way to tell or just reboot with a kernel thats been rebuilt w/ netfilter enabled? |
| 08:09.00 | Kjetil | via c7 looks cool http://www.mini-itx.com/news/23739071/ |
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| 08:09.08 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 08:09.21 | bob2 | WorkerII: mips then, I guess |
| 08:09.30 | WorkerII | bob2: I got a wl-500gd .. but I don't have VPN so your milage may vary ... mine shapes the traffic instead. |
| 08:09.31 | iobound | what's the proper ownership/permissions for files in /var/spool/cron/crontabs? |
| 08:09.36 | ^rob^ | does anybody know if it is possible to protect with pass. a profile from thunderbird? |
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| 08:10.00 | WorkerII | iobound: ls -l /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
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| 08:10.13 | jm_ | iobound: they're owned by user:crontab here |
| 08:10.14 | WorkerII | rob: it is possible. |
| 08:10.21 | sep | icyfire: that's odd works for me, do you use a kernel-image or something you made yourself ? also have you tried setting it thru sysctl ? |
| 08:10.23 | apzien | is the stable/main 100% free software as defined by the free software movement? |
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| 08:10.37 | bob2 | iobound: user:crontab as you say |
| 08:10.39 | bob2 | apzien: yes |
| 08:10.45 | WorkerII | ^rob^: I don't know thunderbird well enough to know how, but its possible. |
| 08:10.56 | ^rob^ | WorkerII: can you help me pls |
| 08:10.58 | WorkerII | bob2: Are you requiring a single VPN or several tunnels? |
| 08:11.13 | bob2 | WorkerII: I'm using a few, 3 or 4, with tinc |
| 08:11.20 | iobound | jm/bob2, ok, then I think the cron package in sarge is busted with regards to upgrading with nis users. aptitude shut down nis during the upgrade so i guess the cron deb must have freaked out while upgrading |
| 08:11.24 | iobound | should i file a bug or something? |
| 08:11.30 | icyfire | sep: i just found something for syscontrol and it worked for me, also i iddn't check (after the sysctl part) but i did cat >/proc/...../ip_forward (enter) 1 (ctrl-c) and when i cat-ted it it worked |
| 08:11.39 | bob2 | iobound: that's certainly possible, NIS is kinda niche these days |
| 08:11.43 | bob2 | iobound: sounds like a plan |
| 08:11.44 | jm_ | iobound: I suppose you should |
| 08:11.52 | WorkerII | bob2: I would guess 200 MHz should be able to do that? |
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| 08:12.02 | bob2 | WorkerII: hm, I'm not sure |
| 08:12.02 | RainbowW | i'd like to set up a vpn such that i can tunnel into my home from outside. assuming firewall support, what's the commonly accepted protocol for said attempt? what i'd like is for my laptop to have a network adapter eg /dev/vpn0 or something with a network address assigned from inside my home, so that my laptop becomes part of my home lan. |
| 08:12.04 | iobound | bob2, ok, what would you recommend for sharing passwd files between multiple servers in a multi-user setting? |
| 08:12.05 | WorkerII | bob2: Your wrt54g takes care of shaping and stuff, right? |
| 08:12.15 | bob2 | WorkerII: yes, but no vpn stuff atm |
| 08:12.19 | WorkerII | (That takes some CPU also) |
| 08:12.23 | WorkerII | bob2: Good .. |
| 08:12.25 | apzien | bob2: no shit? |
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| 08:12.37 | bob2 | RainbowW: (network interfaces never have devices in /dev, btw) |
| 08:12.45 | WorkerII | bob2: Well, conduct expiriments .. it also depends if you use AES or tripple DES or what you use. |
| 08:12.49 | bob2 | RainbowW: that would work fine, I'd use tinc, but ipsec is another option |
| 08:12.52 | bob2 | WorkerII: yeah, I know |
| 08:12.53 | icyfire | RainbowW: i think what you want is openvpn, and you need /dev/tun in your kernel |
| 08:12.55 | bob2 | apzien: no shit. |
| 08:12.58 | jm_ | RainbowW: openvpn, or tinc or whatever |
| 08:12.59 | ^rob^ | WorkerII: pls pls pls - can you help me? - need a link or something - i can't find how to set pass for it |
| 08:12.59 | bob2 | iobound: I'd use LDAP, personally |
| 08:13.03 | WorkerII | bob2: I can recommend AES for speed .. but you maybe have to use something else. |
| 08:13.06 | RainbowW | bob2: the location of the interface is not relevant to my question. :) |
| 08:13.22 | bob2 | WorkerII: I was using blowfish, I think they're about on-par |
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| 08:13.33 | iobound | bob2, we're running both debian and freebsd 4, last i checked freebsd 4 didn't really support ldap auth |
| 08:13.35 | WorkerII | bob2: OK |
| 08:13.44 | QUACH-VU | any one know why after downgrade from mysql 4.1.1 to 4.0 can not start up mysql server? |
| 08:13.53 | QUACH-VU | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 08:13.53 | QUACH-VU | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.53 | QUACH-VU | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 08:13.53 | QUACH-VU | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 08:13.53 | QUACH-VU | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 08:13.57 | bob2 | iobound: ah, no pam, right |
| 08:14.03 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: do that again and you will be silenced |
| 08:14.17 | WorkerII | Oh .. I guess its time to repeat my question. |
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| 08:14.41 | WorkerII | Is GNOME in SID really broken, or is it just my installation? |
| 08:15.00 | bob2 | what does the BTS say? |
| 08:15.02 | sep | WorkerII: have you checked bts ? |
| 08:15.06 | bob2 | the debian-gtk-gnome list? |
| 08:15.07 | bob2 | etc |
| 08:15.38 | RainbowW | WorkerII: it's really broken, at least on the mirror i run at home (which is updated nightly). |
| 08:16.33 | streuner | QUACH-VU: /msg dpkg flood |
| 08:16.38 | sbk | sijoange: if you're still awake :-) it's mostly gas/gcc I believe. The code switches quite quickly into 32 bit mode. It's mostly some bios related stuff + the MBR that's written in 16 bit mode |
| 08:16.43 | sbk | oops, sorry |
| 08:17.02 | streuner | WorkerII: yes, check BTS |
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| 08:18.43 | streuner | WorkerII: there are a few packages which should be soon in incoming |
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| 08:20.12 | henk | QUACH-VU did you look at your syslog ? |
| 08:20.18 | streuner | !info gnome-session |
| 08:20.22 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 2076 kB |
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| 08:26.03 | TimeKilla | hey bob, was it you that gave me the following instruction? TimeKilla: then switch to the other console (alt-f2), then run mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda". |
| 08:26.38 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:27.32 | TimeKilla | So i should type: mount -t ext2 /dev/hda /target ? |
| 08:27.49 | streuner | no |
| 08:27.52 | TimeKilla | ohh |
| 08:28.04 | streuner | mount /dev/hda1 /somefolder |
| 08:28.15 | streuner | hda1 is an example |
| 08:28.27 | streuner | fdisk -l gives you a full list of partitions |
| 08:28.55 | TimeKilla | its my second partition on the primary master.. the 1st partition is dos. |
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| 08:29.31 | RainbowW | WorkerII: did you find the gnome-core bug referring to the problem you were talking about in sid? |
| 08:29.53 | streuner | TimeKilla: hda2 |
| 08:29.56 | ecliptik | why would I be getting drmOpenFailed messages in my X logs? I have the DRM and AGPgart modules loaded properly |
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| 08:30.41 | streuner | TimeKilla: that would be on IDE0 |
| 08:30.57 | wigwam | TimeKilla: use fdisk -l. Only this way you know which part. My 1st Disk for example is hdg1 (SATA). |
| 08:31.01 | streuner | TimeKilla: just run fdisk -l |
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| 08:31.14 | TimeKilla | its cool i got it |
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| 08:31.45 | TimeKilla | only problem is this : mounting /dev/hda2 on /target failed: no such file or directory |
| 08:32.01 | streuner | TimeKilla: mkdir /debian |
| 08:32.15 | streuner | TimeKilla: mount /dev/hd(?) /debian |
| 08:34.13 | QUACH-VU | henk there is no thing in log |
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| 08:37.14 | TimeKilla | ok here is whats happening, i'm trying to get my bootloader to working to get back into linux. My mbr was overwritten by a windows install. now i'm at a console from within the netinst cd. |
| 08:37.19 | umbop | hmm anyone here configured courier-imap for authentication? |
| 08:37.26 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:37.29 | bob2 | use dovecot |
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| 08:37.50 | TimeKilla | I made a directory called /target and try to mount /dev/hda2 /target |
| 08:38.01 | TimeKilla | i continue to get no such file or directory |
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| 08:38.06 | umbop | as i am having trouble getting it to authenticate |
| 08:38.09 | monsoon | is thhere a way to make sure nothing installs a certain package? |
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| 08:38.26 | streuner | monsoon: try /msg dpkg hold |
| 08:38.37 | umbop | it comes back login incorrect - despite me changing the password for the user |
| 08:38.38 | monsoon | thx streuner |
| 08:38.39 | liable | TimeKilla: cd to /, then ls and see if target is there. |
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| 08:38.55 | liable | TimeKilla: its an ide drive? |
| 08:38.59 | TimeKilla | the directory target is there |
| 08:39.03 | TimeKilla | It is an IDE drive. |
| 08:39.22 | directhex|work | can't you just hit escape in the sarge installer, and scroll down the list to "install the grub boot loader"? |
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| 08:39.39 | monsoon | streuner, that seems like it will hold a package from apt-get upgrade, but not necessarilly from everything else |
| 08:40.18 | WorkerII | No, its not in the BTS yet, as I expected. |
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| 08:40.40 | streuner | monsoon: what package? |
| 08:41.09 | WorkerII | RainbowW: Oh .. its on gnome-core! D'oh! :-() |
| 08:41.12 | monsoon | streuner, gcc-3.3 |
| 08:41.18 | streuner | WorkerII: so be patient or just file a bug-report |
| 08:42.10 | WorkerII | streuner: Isn't there some channel where I can "female dog" about it? |
| 08:42.19 | streuner | monsoon: oh, you dont want to install gcc-3.3 at all? |
| 08:42.23 | dondelelcaro | don't even fucking bother to file a bug report. It's sid. That's supposed to happen. |
| 08:42.34 | monsoon | streuner, no never |
| 08:42.42 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: Ok, I wont ****** bother to file bug reports. |
| 08:42.42 | dondelelcaro | If it's a problem for you, then you shouldn't be using sid. |
| 08:42.43 | monsoon | just 3.4 |
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| 08:43.12 | TimeKilla | jeez |
| 08:43.18 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: I shouldn't be running SID, I upgraded by mistake. |
| 08:43.21 | dondelelcaro | packages are often uninstallable in sid. This is perfectly normal. |
| 08:43.31 | TimeKilla | i'm stumped.. i cannot use the netinst to install the bootloader, it wants to partition first. |
| 08:43.31 | streuner | he refering to gnome 2.10, which arent all packages avaiable yet... |
| 08:43.33 | dondelelcaro | upgraded by mistake? |
| 08:43.39 | ^Duffy^ | hmm, run testing ;P |
| 08:43.39 | involved | i have a machine with debian testing.. is it supposed to say Debian 3.1 on /etc/issue |
| 08:43.42 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: In fact, I shouldn't be running debian .. I should have gone Red Hat / Fedora like my sysadmin recommended. |
| 08:43.51 | monsoon | i though gnome 2.10 was experimental |
| 08:43.54 | abrocadabro | is gnome broke on sid? |
| 08:43.58 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: riight. |
| 08:43.59 | streuner | using gnome would auto upgrade to 2.10... |
| 08:43.59 | monsoon | no |
| 08:44.11 | monsoon | well wait im using 2.10 |
| 08:44.12 | streuner | !info gnome-session |
| 08:44.14 | monsoon | on sid |
| 08:44.15 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 2076 kB |
| 08:44.20 | RainbowW | abrocadabro: see bug 312406 |
| 08:44.23 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: no, the 2.8->2.10 transition hasn't completed yet. That's nothing new. |
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| 08:44.40 | RainbowW | maybe somebody wants to put that bug number in the topic? |
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| 08:44.49 | monsoon | streuner, what do you think any way to make sure nothing installs it? |
| 08:44.52 | streuner | monsoon: ok, you are using gnome all the time, and upgrade process just upgrade the newer packages then |
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| 08:45.03 | sep | involved: yes untill someone updates it, and you upgrade the base-files package |
| 08:45.14 | streuner | monsoon: no idea |
| 08:45.16 | abrocadabro | apt-get upgrade removed gnome, gnome-core and gnome-panel, there is no way I can install them anymore, and my panel is missing after this upgrade |
| 08:45.30 | kill9 | hi all, wonder if anyone could refresh my memory. how do i enable nat on a deb box ... iptables -t NAT -i POSTROUTING |
| 08:45.32 | kill9 | ? |
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| 08:45.48 | monsoon | ok gnighht |
| 08:45.52 | involved | sep: it should take a while until someone updates testing right? a week or so? |
| 08:45.55 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: you should not have said 'y' when you were presented with the list of packages to remove. If this is news to you, you should not be running sid. |
| 08:46.03 | streuner | monsoon: just dont apt-get install gcc3.3? anyway, if you symlink /usr/bin/gcc to your gcc compiler anything should be fine then |
| 08:46.20 | streuner | too late |
| 08:47.01 | sep | involved: depends on how long they partied and how hungover they are. what does it matter ? the update will have to filer thru sid first also. just why worry about it |
| 08:47.02 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: Debian is less than usefull as a desktop system. Either you run stable (which is ok right now, but will be bad in 2 or 3 years), or you either cut off stability or security, or both. |
| 08:47.06 | dondelelcaro | for the next 2-3 months, you're going to see why we call sid unstable. If that's a problem, well, don't upgrade until things have calmed down. |
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| 08:47.15 | abrocadabro | dondelelcaro: sid was running perfectly fine for the past few month after I switched from sarge, I did doubt about removing those packages but since it has been done, are there any solutions? |
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| 08:47.20 | chimaera | hi. i installed debian using deootstrap and have problems gettting grub installed into the mbr. i call grub-install with the right device and --root-directory but after the obligatory xfs-warning, it just sits there, never finishing. |
| 08:47.47 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: use s.d.n and install the old versions of the packages, or wait for the new versions to be added to the archive. |
| 08:47.48 | afabian | WorkerII: but Debian is going to come up with a stunning new release strategy! or so i hear. |
| 08:47.56 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: Oh no .. Is it possible to downgrade to sarge? |
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| 08:48.08 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: yes, but it's not supported. |
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| 08:48.27 | streuner | abrocadabro: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 08:48.30 | WorkerII | afabian: It might work .. and it might not work. Its been tried several times, but I don't think we should give up. |
| 08:48.49 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: Maybe the bot or the web has hints for me? |
| 08:48.57 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: I upgraded to unstable by mistake. |
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| 08:49.25 | dondelelcaro | I mean, you have to modify /etc/apt/sources.list by hand, and then run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 08:49.26 | RainbowW | WorkerII: that's pretty difficult. |
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| 08:49.28 | abrocadabro | streuner: then what? |
| 08:49.35 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: If you're really interested, it was a typo in apt.conf, or what the file is called. |
| 08:49.41 | streuner | abrocadabro: nothing then :-) |
| 08:49.55 | RainbowW | WorkerII: that's not a typo. that's a major mind meltdown on the part of root. |
| 08:49.57 | streuner | abrocadabro: just wait, those command is for future ;-) |
| 08:50.13 | WorkerII | RainbowW: I am root on this box. |
| 08:50.20 | RainbowW | WorkerII: my point exactly. |
| 08:50.23 | abrocadabro | streuner: I have installed those packages, what else do I need to do |
| 08:50.24 | streuner | abrocadabro: supposed someone would file a bugreport in sid ;-) |
| 08:50.27 | chimaera | WorkerII: see? ;) |
| 08:50.34 | WorkerII | RainbowW: And I tell you it was typo, whether you believe it or not. |
| 08:50.38 | streuner | abrocadabro: wait |
| 08:50.52 | streuner | abrocadabro: those packages are soon in incoming |
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| 08:52.02 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: anyway, the plan is rather straightforward. You pin stable > 1000; then you run aptitude, and walk through the packages that it wants to install carefully, to make sure what it is doing makes sense, then you run it, cleaning up any mistakes that occur. |
| 08:52.15 | WorkerII | chimaera: See what? |
| 08:52.28 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: then you unpin, and remove any references to unstable, then apt-get update; |
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| 08:52.37 | chimaera | WorkerII: forget it. |
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| 08:52.56 | streuner | abrocadabro: as dondelelcaro already mentioned, if you have no clue why in hell you are running sid at all? |
| 08:53.01 | WorkerII | chimaera: Thats close to impossible, but maybe I will in due time. |
| 08:53.11 | streuner | unstable/sid is the branch for developers... |
| 08:53.15 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: "pin stable > 1000" ? |
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| 08:53.20 | d03boy | i love how firefox crashes/closes when I play movies in it... ugh |
| 08:53.24 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: yes. |
| 08:53.30 | WorkerII | streuner: Whats experimental? |
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| 08:53.37 | sep | WorkerII: /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 08:53.40 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: Is that an apt-get command? |
| 08:53.43 | WorkerII | sep: Thanks |
| 08:53.50 | streuner | WorkerII: a good way to shoot yourself into foot? |
| 08:53.50 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: experimental is the branch for people who don't need to ask what experimental is for. |
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| 08:54.08 | WorkerII | streuner: At home I use experimental. |
| 08:54.13 | abrocadabro | streuner: the problem is it is already in sid, |
| 08:54.16 | dondelelcaro | !experimental |
| 08:54.16 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 08:54.21 | WorkerII | streuner: But only some of the packages. |
| 08:54.42 | chimaera | experimental isn't even a complete branch.. *cough* |
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| 08:55.16 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro: Its a line I put in preferences? |
| 08:55.26 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: yes. man apt_preferences; |
| 08:55.57 | WorkerII | oh well .. maybe the stuff I use will keep working. |
| 08:56.00 | WorkerII | I can do without gnome. |
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| 08:57.54 | dondelelcaro | right... so that was just a complaining fest without actually bothering to fix the problems |
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| 09:07.31 | kempo | hello |
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| 09:09.36 | ttick | is there an application I can use to see which process is making hits on my harddrive at the moment? |
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| 09:10.56 | technos | ttick: Try lsof. Lists what's open on the drive. |
| 09:12.00 | dogorob | hello! |
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| 09:12.25 | pfb | Anybody having problems running galeon or mozilla on Sarge? |
| 09:12.26 | dogorob | I seem to have serious problem with my RAID5 device... anybody able/willing to help? |
| 09:12.33 | xtension | There are 76 major android projects around the world - 35 are in Japan |
| 09:14.03 | sep | dogorob: without you actualy saying your problem there will be very little response also /msg dpkg ask |
| 09:14.12 | ttick | technos: hmm, okay. Woah, lots of output. :/ Perhaps not really what I want. I'll check the man page. Thanks. |
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| 09:17.21 | jm_ | pfb: both work for me |
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| 09:20.02 | pfb | jm_: Thanks. Interesting. I get "INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?" and "System error?:: Success" when I run galeon from terminal. |
| 09:20.07 | dogorob | I had to re-install my full linux (2.6) which I did with the 4 partitions/devices making up the RAID5 detached... after the base-system was up and running again on it's own partition I used mdadm to assemble my RAID. this resulted in re-syncing which went fine. but as soon as I want to 'mount -t ext3 /dev/md0 /srv' I get the error "ext3_check_descriptos: Block bitmap for group ß not in group, group descriptors corrupted".. any idea what to do? |
| 09:20.32 | jm_ | pfb: try irc.gnome.org #galeon, they're usually helpful |
| 09:21.06 | pfb | jm_: Thanks - will do. |
| 09:21.34 | umbop | hmm when i am trying to forward a mail via mutt, i am getting Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.). |
| 09:21.58 | jm_ | umbop: but it works for sending mail? |
| 09:22.08 | umbop | hmm let me try |
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| 09:22.51 | umbop | nope doesn't work for either |
| 09:22.54 | umbop | hmm weird |
| 09:23.03 | jm_ | ok, so you hve to configure your MTA correctly |
| 09:23.08 | jm_ | have |
| 09:24.11 | umbop | hmm, but if i telnet localhost 25 and do it manually it sends fine |
| 09:24.17 | umbop | to external addresses or internal addresses |
| 09:24.33 | jm_ | umbop: well do it the same way mutt does it, which is not telnet to port 25 |
| 09:24.44 | umbop | oh how does mutt send mail? |
| 09:25.25 | jm_ | it uses /usr/lib/sendmail -oem -oi by default |
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| 09:25.45 | umbop | i am using postfix |
| 09:26.05 | jm_ | doesn't matter, they all have /usr/lib/sendmail for compatibility reasons |
| 09:26.48 | umbop | ahh i've seen the prob |
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| 09:27.19 | sep | dogorob: first of all do a dd backup of that ! |
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| 09:29.34 | sep | dogorob: then after backup i would try a fsck with the -n to see how it looked |
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| 09:30.50 | umbop | cool fixed, and works :) thanks jm_ |
| 09:30.56 | jm_ | umbop: no worries |
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| 09:31.12 | trend | hello |
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| 09:32.17 | sep | dogorob: but in the end it might be more safe to just restore whatever was on that drive from backups |
| 09:33.55 | FlimFlamMan | Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib Packages 404 Not Found ? |
| 09:33.57 | lobz | how can I make the Terminus font appear in gnome's font selector? or in gnome-terminal's? |
| 09:34.33 | lobz | i see it with xlsfonts, i can use it with xterm but not with gnome-terminal :( |
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| 09:34.49 | kempo | how can i make md5sums on my local server and compare them with the apt md5sums ? |
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| 09:35.05 | n3x | Hi just looking for a bit of Help with iptablres.. In detail trying to route X subnet thru Y Rule and the rest thru Z rule... ive got as far as putting X thru Y but putting the rest of the data they Z seems to be a bit difficult |
| 09:35.14 | kzm | Anybody know how highmem behaves on 32bit systems? I.e. if I have a box with > 4Gb RAM, how will it be used? |
| 09:35.20 | jm_ | lobz: does fc-list show it? |
| 09:35.32 | jm_ | kempo: md5sums of what? |
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| 09:36.36 | kempo | jm_: md5sums of my local installed packages which i installed per apt-get |
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| 09:37.06 | kempo | i wanna compare them with the md5sums of apt server to check if they had been modified |
| 09:37.07 | trend | hello again |
| 09:37.08 | lobz | jm_: it doesnt |
| 09:37.17 | trend | what is wrong with this line in my bash script: diff=$(($current_time - $log_time)) |
| 09:37.23 | trend | i keep getting this error: ./up_script: line 9: 33 - : syntax error: operand expected (error token is " ") |
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| 09:38.16 | Speano | hi all, i was wondering how many of the |
| 09:38.17 | involved | hi.. how can i connect to a vpn server? is there any client? i believe the server is on a windows machine.. |
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| 09:38.39 | jm_ | kempo: apt-cache show debsums |
| 09:38.55 | Speano | hi all, was wondering what was on the 4 binary cds (or how many i need to download) |
| 09:39.06 | Guerin | Speano: which 4? |
| 09:39.32 | Speano | sarge |
| 09:39.40 | Guerin | Speano: sarge is 14 |
| 09:39.44 | jm_ | lobz: it sure does for me |
| 09:40.09 | Speano | okay, in my isp's file server, they have 4 binary cds |
| 09:40.18 | sep | dogorob: /msg dpkg msg |
| 09:40.21 | cahoot | lobz: run fc-cache -fv |
| 09:40.22 | Guerin | Speano: if you have fast internet, you only need the netinstall. Otherwise, you're only liable to need the first 2 or 3 |
| 09:40.28 | Guerin | Speano: that seems sane for most users. |
| 09:40.38 | jm_ | 4 CD-s sounds like Woody |
| 09:40.51 | Guerin | Speano: most popular packages are on 1; nothing on 1 depends on 2, and so on. |
| 09:41.05 | Guerin | even woody was 7 though |
| 09:41.08 | sep | dogorob: also i dont know what could couse that error |
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| 09:41.56 | spiorf | you can also use dvd image downloaded with jigdo |
| 09:42.01 | lobz | cahoot: i did, still no teminus in fc-list, do i need to restart X or something? |
| 09:42.08 | Speano | which cds contain x and the window managers?? |
| 09:42.27 | dondelelcaro | Speano: X and some of the window managers are probably on 1 |
| 09:42.28 | Guerin | Speano: cd1 contains x, gnome and probably some smaller WMs. |
| 09:42.42 | Guerin | Speano: i believe kde is on cd2 |
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| 09:43.02 | involved | hi.. how can i connect to a vpn server? is there any client? i believe the server is on a windows machine. |
| 09:43.20 | Guerin | !vpn |
| 09:43.20 | dpkg | i heard vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/ |
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| 09:43.33 | Guerin | !virtual private network |
| 09:43.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, virtual private network is (VPN) This is a "virtual" network constructed by connecting computers together over the Internet and encrypting their communications so that other people cannot understand the communications. The benefit is that people can connect to the LAN from anywhere on the Internet. This allows easier connectivity and lower phone bills for travelling salespeople. They just sign up with a ... |
| 09:43.54 | Guerin | what a fucking worthless factoid |
| 09:44.05 | sep | involved: there are _many_ clients depending on what server the windows runs |
| 09:44.07 | Speano | awesome, i was hoping i just needed the one cd, i could get the rest with apt |
| 09:44.19 | sep | Speano: you only need the first cd |
| 09:44.22 | involved | couldn't find one :\ |
| 09:44.32 | Guerin | Speano: oh, you can just get the 30MB boot image and get the rest with apt |
| 09:44.37 | sep | Speano: actualy you only need the installer bootimage |
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| 09:45.47 | involved | sep: could you name one of the clients please? |
| 09:45.57 | lobz | jm_: can you show me the corresponding line in the fc-list output? |
| 09:46.01 | Guerin | involved: read those pages |
| 09:46.21 | jm_ | lobz: |grep Terminus shows it -- Terminus:style=Bold and three more |
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| 09:47.13 | Aronofsky | hi |
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| 09:47.17 | Speano | also i was wanting to ask how quickly packages are updated in the package repository |
| 09:47.22 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: cd contents is <reply> To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. |
| 09:47.23 | dpkg | ...but cd contents is already something else... |
| 09:47.26 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 09:47.27 | dpkg | it has been said that cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
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| 09:47.37 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, cd contents is <reply> To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. |
| 09:47.38 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 09:47.43 | Aronofsky | im looking for a script to merge 2 apache log files, anyone know where i can found that ? |
| 09:47.52 | Guerin | Aronofsky: no way. |
| 09:48.01 | Guerin | Aronofsky: do it manually, or it WILL break. |
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| 09:48.04 | lobz | jm_: a friend of mine (on gentoo) has it in fc-list but not in xlsfonts, the oposite on my sarge |
| 09:48.16 | jm_ | lobz: yes, that's entirely possible |
| 09:48.17 | sep | involved: client is a odd word, say protocol, and you can have PPTP, IPSec, L2TP (Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol), and L2F (Layer 2 Forwarding) and many more |
| 09:48.20 | Aronofsky | Guerin, what do you mean , |
| 09:48.28 | Guerin | !dict break |
| 09:48.35 | dpkg | Dictionary 'break' (1 of 115): 13. To impart, as news or information; to broach; -- with to, and often with a modified word implying some reserve; as, to break the news gently to the widow; to break a purpose cautiously to a friend.. |
| 09:48.38 | sep | involved: if windows is involved you have to find out what vpnserver it runs, or if it uses windows's own (pptp or ipsec) |
| 09:48.45 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:48.50 | dondelelcaro | Speano: unstable is updated every day. |
| 09:48.53 | lobz | jm_: and any ideas how to make it appear in fc-list? |
| 09:48.56 | Guerin | Aronofsky: you know what 'break' means? |
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| 09:49.02 | Guerin | Aronofsky: and 'manually'? |
| 09:49.35 | Aronofsky | Guerin, im french so i don't really get the sens of break here, what will break ? |
| 09:49.36 | jethro | !say test ignore sarge is released |
| 09:49.37 | dpkg | test ignore sarge is released |
| 09:49.41 | jethro | gah |
| 09:49.47 | jm_ | lobz: tried fc-cache -f ? |
| 09:49.53 | Guerin | Aronofsky: your config file will either not work, or will work badly. |
| 09:50.04 | sep | Guerin: he wanted to mergge logs not configs |
| 09:50.11 | Guerin | ohh |
| 09:50.18 | HeavenWarrior | Can someone help me - I'm with Debian Sarge, using Yamaha Oplsa3 sound card - kernel 2.6.11-1-386, i've installed and configure alsa - it found my sound card, it configures it but i've no sound still - please help me |
| 09:50.19 | cahoot | lobz: you didn't disable bitmapped fonts in fontconfig? |
| 09:50.27 | Guerin | logfiles |
| 09:50.47 | sep | Aronofsky: in what way do you want to merge them (one after the other, by timestamp , by domain ? and why ? |
| 09:50.54 | Guerin | Aronofsky: cat them together, then sort them by a date stamp or somesuch |
| 09:50.56 | beardy | HeavenWarrior: Have you any volume turned up? Use a mixer program. |
| 09:50.58 | Guerin | but yeah, why? |
| 09:51.13 | Speano | dondelelcaro: was just wondering, a new version of enlightenment is due out soon (hopefully) and i was wondering how long it would take those fabulous debian volunteers to get the packages updated in both testing and stable |
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| 09:51.30 | lobz | jm_: yes |
| 09:51.34 | sep | Speano: nothing gets updated in stable , that's why it's stable |
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| 09:51.38 | Aronofsky | Guerin, yeah thats what i want to do, just looking a script to do taht |
| 09:51.38 | jm_ | lobz: then see cahoot's question |
| 09:51.47 | sep | Speano: and in testing it will be updates about 2 weeks after sid. :) |
| 09:51.51 | dondelelcaro | Speano: stable won't be updated. Testing will be updated after the package has been in unstable 10 days without RC bugs. unstable gets updated when the maintainer packages the package. |
| 09:51.52 | directhex|work | HeavenWarrior, 1) un-mute the pcm and master mixers 2) turn the volume up on the same mixers 3) mute/unmute mixers such as "digital output" or similar |
| 09:51.56 | sep | Speano: (roughfly speaking) |
| 09:52.01 | lobz | cahoot: i dont know :) how can i check it? |
| 09:52.11 | HeavenWarrior | directhex, ok |
| 09:52.13 | technos | Speano: A new version of Enlightenment has been due out since the Pentium Pro was still hot shit. Dun hold yer breath. :) |
| 09:52.17 | cahoot | lobz: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 09:52.23 | jm_ | lobz: to be honest, I have that set to false |
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| 09:53.28 | Guerin | Aronofsky: the problem I see is that debian's apache logs have a datestamp like 02/Feb/2005:05:56:06; which is impossible to order chronologically |
| 09:53.31 | Speano | i cant wait for enlightenment, the screenshots on their website look great, and i read on a developer blog the other day that they had been doing a lot of work on code efficiency (kinds sounds promising) |
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| 09:54.08 | Guerin | Aronofsky: you'd need to mung it into sane date format: YYYYMMDD hh:mm:ss |
| 09:54.25 | sep | Speano: i thougt enlightement was mostly about having pretty things on your workspace to avoid you haveing do do anything useful ? :) |
| 09:54.36 | jm_ | Guerin: you can customize how log format looks like |
| 09:54.48 | Guerin | jm_: but not when the logfile has already been written |
| 09:54.51 | sep | Aronofsky: wait unlil logrotates rotates out those logs ? problem solved :) |
| 09:54.56 | jm_ | Guerin: nope |
| 09:55.08 | Guerin | !sep++ |
| 09:55.10 | sep | Aronofsky: or rather configure apache to log in a different format saves you a lot of troubble |
| 09:55.55 | Trewas | sep: enlightenment was just the first wm to have any notable eyecandy, it's pretty mundane by todays standards... e17 will be another story when it will be eventually released year 2013 |
| 09:56.01 | lobz | cahoot: that was the problem, i got it now in fc-list |
| 09:56.07 | Speano | sep: yeah, its kinda nice to have a functional desktop (using openbox at work at the moment) but its always nice to have one that looks nice |
| 09:56.17 | sep | Trewas: notice the grin :) |
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| 09:56.53 | sep | Aronofsky: and we all sithere wonder _why_ you need to merge logs. it sounds very strange |
| 09:57.13 | cor | hi, is there a tool that will let me configure Xf86? like with apt-setp or dpkg or something? |
| 09:57.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell cor about set up x |
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| 09:58.08 | cor | thanks |
| 09:58.13 | Oskar_ | Hello all |
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| 09:58.48 | lobz | jm_, cahoot thx |
| 09:59.04 | lobz | the 'm" looks a little wired tough :) |
| 09:59.09 | Oskar_ | Quick question: Where can I find old releases of a debian package? I want phpbb2_2.0.8a-1.deb so I can make a diff against the newest to patch my modified installation... |
| 09:59.17 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 09:59.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 10:00.12 | Oskar_ | heh, thats service. thx :) |
| 10:01.06 | cor | hi, is there a tool that will let me configure Xf86? like with apt-setp or dpkg or something?/QUIT |
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| 10:01.40 | HeavenWarrior | directhex, man i've done what you've telled me to, but still i can get out sound from xmms for example - this is when i try to use gnome-mixer - "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" - i used aumix to done what you've telled me to |
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| 10:02.48 | Speano | okay, so the packages in sarge stable now will stay that we forever (what about security updates?) and we will have to wait for the next stable release for more stable packages? |
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| 10:04.17 | Guerin | !tell Speano about releases |
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| 10:04.41 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:04.45 | Guerin | that factoid has been changed |
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| 10:05.10 | directhex|work | HeavenWarrior, aumix is for oss. it sounds a lot like you're not using alsa, to get that message. |
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| 10:06.12 | HeavenWarrior | directhex, how to turn on alsa |
| 10:06.18 | HeavenWarrior | use |
| 10:06.28 | sep | cor: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 10:06.52 | directhex|work | HeavenWarrior, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
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| 10:07.18 | sep | Speano: yes isn't it _great_ :)) |
| 10:08.01 | HeavenWarrior | 2.6 |
| 10:08.07 | HeavenWarrior | i've installed so alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 10:08.33 | directhex|work | and run alsaconf and rebooted? |
| 10:08.38 | HeavenWarrior | when i run alsaconf by root my speakers go up but no sound |
| 10:08.45 | HeavenWarrior | i've not rebooted |
| 10:08.57 | Speano | okay, nah thats alright, i understand that there are heaps of packages in debian, and it takes a lot of hours to test everything |
| 10:09.08 | giupy | directhex|work, why reboot? |
| 10:09.37 | sep | Speano: alright ? its more then allright it's the most stable secure and useful distro ever ! it's _great_ :) |
| 10:09.41 | HeavenWarrior | ive chmod a+rw to /dev/mixer /dev/audio |
| 10:09.47 | HeavenWarrior | but no effect |
| 10:10.06 | HeavenWarrior | i think if i gonna delete oss |
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| 10:10.08 | giupy | HeavenWarrior, is your user in audio group ? |
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| 10:10.15 | sep | HeavenWarrior: and you have ofcouse turned up the volume ? |
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| 10:10.19 | Speano | not sure, my heart lies with slack, but i'm checking out debain becuase of the recent release, and i'm thinking of buying a amd64 |
| 10:10.22 | HeavenWarrior | sep, yep |
| 10:10.29 | HeavenWarrior | guipy i think yep |
| 10:10.48 | giupy | HeavenWarrior, see in etc/group...IIIRC |
| 10:10.55 | sep | HeavenWarrior: then i dont know i never ran alsaconf on my boxes, but i did use discover instead of discover1 |
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| 10:11.29 | HeavenWarrior | guipy it wasn't |
| 10:11.37 | HeavenWarrior | i've added my user to audio gropu |
| 10:12.10 | Guerin | HeavenWarrior: now run newgrp audio |
| 10:12.15 | sep | Speano: amd64 is now officialy supported on testing (etch), you can run sarge's unofficial amd64 support and the amd64 team have claimed to support security for as long as the rest of sarge |
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| 10:12.57 | giupy | HeavenWarrior, wich program are you trying to use for audio ? |
| 10:12.57 | Guerin | oh, amd64 is supported NOW? |
| 10:13.06 | Guerin | i thought it was going into sid 'at some stage' |
| 10:13.07 | HeavenWarrior | guipy xmms |
| 10:13.19 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 10:13.19 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 10:13.28 | Speano | sep: awesome, slack only supports intel and s/390, and i don't have time myself to start a amd64 port |
| 10:13.41 | giupy | HeavenWarrior, is xmms using alsa audio output ? |
| 10:13.45 | HeavenWarrior | yep |
| 10:13.52 | HeavenWarrior | but it still cries to check my output |
| 10:14.22 | sep | Guerin: The unofficial Sarge distribution is hosted on amd64.debian.net. The porters team promises to support the unofficial Sarge for the same time period as Debian supports the official Sarge. -- from http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
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| 10:14.42 | Guerin | sep: i'm talking about official support in etch. |
| 10:14.53 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 10:14.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 10:15.03 | HeavenWarrior | guys i've coped out with problem |
| 10:15.07 | sep | Guerin: that's what you said, going into sid sometime |
| 10:15.15 | HeavenWarrior | i've chmod a+rw /dev/dsp |
| 10:15.19 | HeavenWarrior | and change output of xmms to oss |
| 10:15.21 | HeavenWarrior | it worked |
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| 10:15.35 | giupy | HeavenWarrior, well :) |
| 10:15.39 | HeavenWarrior | i've another question |
| 10:15.39 | Guerin | sep: ok. |
| 10:15.48 | HeavenWarrior | when i try to locate sth |
| 10:16.05 | Guerin | HeavenWarrior: face the setting sun and turn left |
| 10:16.08 | HeavenWarrior | arutha@heaven:~$ locate mystic.jpg |
| 10:16.08 | HeavenWarrior | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
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| 10:16.21 | sep | HeavenWarrior: updatedb |
| 10:16.23 | Guerin | HeavenWarrior: updatedb |
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| 10:16.35 | HeavenWarrior | Guerin, îê |
| 10:16.37 | HeavenWarrior | ok |
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| 10:16.53 | Guerin | HeavenWarrior: you want to locate South, face West and turn 90 degrees left |
| 10:18.12 | HeavenWarrior | Guerin, I've came from FC two days ago and have still some problems, i'm sorry, but .. ;) |
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| 10:18.49 | HeavenWarrior | i've one last question |
| 10:18.55 | HeavenWarrior | how to turn off my pc speaker |
| 10:19.13 | tarzeau | HeavenWarrior: in x or console? |
| 10:19.19 | tarzeau | HeavenWarrior: just remove the cable plug |
| 10:19.25 | HeavenWarrior | ;) |
| 10:19.29 | HeavenWarrior | tarzeau, in both |
| 10:19.33 | Guerin | !bell |
| 10:19.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. |
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| 10:20.12 | HeavenWarrior | Guerin, ok |
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| 10:24.30 | trend | can someone tell me how to grab the last line of a log file.. then get the 3rd field (deliminated by spaces)? with sed? |
| 10:25.05 | jm_ | yes, someone can |
| 10:25.30 | hunger | trend: tail -n 1 FILE | cut -d' ' -f 3 IIRC. |
| 10:25.44 | hunger | trend: Just guessing though. |
| 10:25.53 | petemc | or awk '{print $3}' |
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| 10:26.17 | trend | hunger great guess |
| 10:26.22 | trend | that got me the 2nd one |
| 10:26.46 | trend | tail -n 1 /var/log/ulog/syslogemu.log | cut -d' ' -f 4 gets me 06:26:32 |
| 10:26.52 | trend | now i need to get 26 out |
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| 10:27.00 | trend | by itself* |
| 10:27.16 | hunger | trend: cut counts each " " as a delimeter... so if you got two spaces next to each other cut sees an empty field. |
| 10:27.30 | trend | ahhhhh |
| 10:27.35 | trend | that is wrong with my current setup |
| 10:27.56 | hunger | trend: peternc's solution might be a bit more stable if you might have severeal spaces. |
| 10:28.32 | trend | yep, that fixed it |
| 10:28.36 | trend | thanks |
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| 10:32.40 | BK | after a fresh debian install, i try to "startx" and i get |
| 10:32.41 | BK | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 10:32.41 | BK | Fatal server error: |
| 10:32.41 | BK | no screens found |
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| 10:33.34 | OldakQuill | I am downloading the ISOs - do I need to get all of the binaries: binary-1, binary-2, etc. |
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| 10:34.38 | sep | OldakQuill: depends on your need, but you dont ususaly need anything but the boot installer |
| 10:35.11 | OldakQuill | And that is the first binary? |
| 10:35.25 | OldakQuill | I am just using on a desktop, personal use. |
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| 10:35.48 | jm_ | you can always install the rest from Debian mirrors |
| 10:35.48 | shingouz | !tell bk about troubleshooting x |
| 10:36.11 | DotHack | so sarge is stable now huh, so nothing from testing will get into srage nomore? |
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| 10:36.24 | OldakQuill | Is the net install a good idea? |
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| 10:36.35 | jm_ | it's a very good idea |
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| 10:36.55 | tombs | please, how can I make to do not allow that users see each other's /home ? everyone having access only to your own /home dir ? |
| 10:37.01 | OldakQuill | Heh, then I'll go with that |
| 10:37.03 | BK | hey again shingouz, well, the 1st EE line is "(EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device" and i have no idea how to fix it :( |
| 10:37.04 | sep | OldakQuill http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ the 50 or 100 mb images here is enoughf to get started, the rest you dl as you install |
| 10:37.06 | shingouz | DotHack: that is the basic idea |
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| 10:37.28 | shingouz | BK: why do you make it use a framebuffer? |
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| 10:37.43 | jm_ | tombs: change permissions on the dirs |
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| 10:38.14 | BK | shingouz can't answer that, thought it might be a good idea |
| 10:38.26 | tombs | jm_: I know it, but I don't know how to do it :( |
| 10:38.36 | shingouz | BK: not a good idea even if it sounds überleet. what card you have? |
| 10:38.37 | DotHack | shingouz: so horde3 is in sarge, imp4 is, but kronolith2 is not how do i get that one into a stable |
| 10:38.46 | jm_ | tombs: with chmod, read some unix guides |
| 10:38.52 | BK | a chaintech gforce 4 mmx |
| 10:38.59 | BK | 440* |
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| 10:39.12 | shingouz | DotHack: should i know about kronolith? |
| 10:39.15 | tombs | jm_: thanx |
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| 10:39.33 | shingouz | BK: use nv (or vesa), /msg dpkg drxx |
| 10:39.57 | DotHack | shingouz: proably not hen :) |
| 10:40.16 | BK | shingouz: i did choose nv at the drxx |
| 10:40.18 | shingouz | BK: after you have the system up into X *and* if you really need the 3d support on the nvidia we have to do a bit more to the system |
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| 10:40.27 | shingouz | BK: vesa in that case |
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| 10:40.34 | BK | ok, i'll try |
| 10:40.44 | DotHack | will backports port stuff from testing into the new stable? |
| 10:41.04 | shingouz | DotHack: is there a kronolith in sarge in the first place? i am not sure. and that is the purpose of backports |
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| 10:42.42 | DotHack | shingouz: kronolith is in sarge, but only works with horde2, i want horde3 wich is also in sarge why didnt they put kronolith2 in there? |
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| 10:43.21 | shingouz | DotHack: i have no idea. now the question is do you *need* horde3 or can you use the previous version |
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| 10:44.04 | DotHack | kronolith2 is dependent of horde3 |
| 10:44.11 | sep | DotHack: wasnt ready probably |
| 10:44.20 | DotHack | to bad |
| 10:44.25 | shingouz | DotHack: i heard that but do you *need* kronolith2 |
| 10:44.43 | Unskill3d | id like to try out xfce as wm. which version would u suggest? the official xfce as installer or the xfce 4.2.1-1 from experimental ? |
| 10:44.52 | shingouz | !u |
| 10:44.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:44.57 | DotHack | shingouz: yes, it has shared calenders functionality wich kronolith(1) lacks |
| 10:45.00 | pureone | !test |
| 10:45.00 | dpkg | Sorry, pureone, I didn't get your test. |
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| 10:46.23 | shingouz | Unskill3d: do not even *think* about using stuff from experimental unless you are ready to hack code. xfce3 and xfce4 are both nice, 4 has a bit more chrome in it. just apt-get install it in place from your normal sources, do not go experimental on us |
| 10:46.40 | fas3r | hi all |
| 10:46.55 | shingouz | DotHack: if you really need it you may want to think about using a backport, apt pinning or moving to etch |
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| 10:47.04 | Unskill3d | shingouz: ok thank you |
| 10:47.07 | shingouz | !greetings fas3r |
| 10:47.20 | fas3r | hi shingouz |
| 10:47.31 | fas3r | u don't sleep anytime ;) |
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| 10:47.44 | shingouz | Unskill3d: just out of curiosity, what version of debian you have on your computer now? |
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| 10:47.55 | shingouz | fas3r: i have been known to sleep occasionally |
| 10:48.00 | fas3r | lol ok |
| 10:48.01 | Unskill3d | shingouz: sarge |
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| 10:48.04 | peppo | has anyone else experienced that unstable won't power down properly? It freezes when stopping HALD. |
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| 10:48.17 | sep | DotHack: or you can do a sid backport yourself using what /msg dpkg simple sid backport tells you |
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| 10:48.36 | shingouz | Unskill3d: both 3 and 4 are on sarge, just use them and be safe. going to experimental is definitely going to explode your computer, take my word for it |
| 10:49.00 | Unskill3d | shingouz: k so experimental is not sid right ? |
| 10:49.02 | AigleDor | i have only cd1 and no connexion on my machine, i want to install fluxbox for ex, what is the most elegant way to proceed (with gentoo for ex, you put the package and all it's dependecies in /usr/portage/distfiles and do emerge fluxbox) |
| 10:49.09 | shingouz | peppo: unstable? and you ask how to make it shut off? |
| 10:49.25 | shingouz | Unskill3d: you should not use stuff from sid either, experimental is even worse |
| 10:49.38 | peppo | shingouz, lol. stop it with the unstable predictability |
| 10:49.44 | peppo | shingouz, I came here to try and verify a possible bug. |
| 10:49.52 | peppo | shingouz, this was introduced a few days ago. |
| 10:49.52 | Unskill3d | shingouz: kk thanks for the advice |
| 10:50.31 | zulkifar | Hi. Is there a streaming tool which can recognize encoding of html pages and convert to a prefered only? I use Opera and next command for viewing page sources: 'rxvt -e less'. |
| 10:50.50 | shingouz | peppo: if you run sid you really should know how to fix such minor problems yourself. use the older version of whatever makes it barf or hack the code. reading the bugs *before* you upgrade is also a pretty good idea |
| 10:50.50 | zulkifar | 'streaming' - which can take source on stdin :) |
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| 10:52.47 | shingouz | peppo: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 10:53.05 | icyfire | zulkifar: i dont know if its possible, but there are a couple of terminal based webpage viewers that my take input from stdin |
| 10:53.13 | ^Duffy^ | what comes after sid? |
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| 10:53.21 | icyfire | zulkifar: w3m links2 and lynx being some of them |
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| 10:53.28 | ^Duffy^ | in other words, woody,sarge,sid and ? |
| 10:53.39 | tarzeau | edch ? |
| 10:53.43 | tarzeau | Dustin_: sid is always unstable |
| 10:53.47 | tarzeau | after sarge comes etch |
| 10:53.56 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 10:53.57 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 10:54.03 | tarzeau | !topicbadger ^Duffy^ |
| 10:54.04 | shingouz | ^Duffy^: geez... lose the leading ^. After Sid comes the end of the world |
| 10:54.04 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that ^Duffy^ didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 10:54.13 | AigleDor | I have no internet connexion on my machine and I have only CD1. I want to install fluxbox, what is the most elegant way to proceed? (with gentoo for example, you put the package and all it's dependecies in /usr/portage/distfiles and do emerge fluxbox) |
| 10:54.24 | bhl | please, how can I redirect ports 20 and 21 (ftp) from my proxy to another server, inside my network? |
| 10:54.42 | jm_ | bhl: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
| 10:54.53 | tarzeau | AigleDor: in debian you say apt-get install fluxbox |
| 10:54.55 | zulkifar | icyfire: thanks, I'll try. (I know w3m and lynx but didn't consider them as html source viewers...) |
| 10:54.56 | bhl | jm_, thanks |
| 10:55.04 | tarzeau | AigleDor: debian is not an internet service provider |
| 10:55.22 | tarzeau | zulkifar: links2 is cool too "\" key |
| 10:55.41 | zulkifar | tarzeau: sorry? |
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| 10:55.45 | Guerin | AigleDor: get cd2 - you can buy them for really cheap |
| 10:56.15 | zulkifar | 'debian is not an internet service provider' <-- is this in dpkg bot database alreay? :)) |
| 10:56.25 | AigleDor | tarzeau: I can manually download all the necessary packages on another machine, what to do next? |
| 10:56.31 | tarzeau | zulkifar: like w3m and lynx |
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| 10:56.40 | tarzeau | AigleDor: dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 10:57.17 | zulkifar | tarzeau: I need a tool for viewing page sources from Opera. (To ensure we are talking about same things) |
| 10:57.58 | Guerin | zulkifar: you mean you need a text viewer? |
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| 10:58.09 | Guerin | can't opera handle all that shit on its own? |
| 10:58.24 | zulkifar | Guerin: yeah, even w/o coloring, but which can recognize source encoding. |
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| 10:58.51 | Guerin | um, is zulkifar making any sense to anyone else |
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| 10:58.56 | Guerin | I can't parse that... |
| 10:59.06 | jethro | !confuse zulkifar |
| 10:59.07 | dpkg | No, where is our snake today, zulkifar? trousers of the monarchy of micronesia with extra ham |
| 10:59.19 | zulkifar | Guerin: why? :) |
| 10:59.32 | AigleDor | tarzeau: Ok, now how to get the list of necessary packages (in gentoo for ex you do emerge --prevent fluxbox) |
| 10:59.40 | AigleDor | ? |
| 11:00.00 | jethro | AigleDor: man dpkg / man apt-cache |
| 11:00.21 | AigleDor | jethro: already done |
| 11:00.42 | tarzeau | AigleDor: apt-cache ddepends fluxbox |
| 11:00.42 | jethro | AigleDor: or read a debian user guide. nobody gives a fuck about gentard here. |
| 11:00.46 | tarzeau | AigleDor: remove one d |
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| 11:01.02 | zulkifar | Guerin: I need html source viewer which can convert encoding to a prefered one. Is it difficult to understand? |
| 11:01.06 | hunger | AigleDor: apt-get -s install whatever. |
| 11:01.06 | tarzeau | AigleDor: just apt-get install -d fluxbox on one machine |
| 11:01.15 | tarzeau | AigleDor: and move the packages from /var/cache/dpkg to the other |
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| 11:01.27 | tarzeau | AigleDor: but really you want proper intarnet |
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| 11:01.39 | jethro | AigleDor: or look at apt-zip,apt-move ... |
| 11:01.42 | flipy | hi |
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| 11:01.52 | zulkifar | Guerin: If you never faced encoding hell - then you are lucky one |
| 11:01.52 | flipy | I'm looking for the latest package for moodle |
| 11:02.02 | jethro | !tell flipy -about pdo |
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| 11:02.08 | jethro | !tell flipy -about latest |
| 11:02.38 | Guerin | zulkifar: hah, I have, actually. western / unicode / korean / japanese :) |
| 11:02.38 | shingouz | !tell flipy about search |
| 11:02.45 | AigleDor | tarzeau: apt-cache depends fluxbox won't work because he doesn't know fluxbow |
| 11:02.51 | Guerin | zulkifar: but I just can't figure out your choice of words |
| 11:02.51 | flipy | thanks a lot |
| 11:02.56 | tarzeau | AigleDor: he knows. here |
| 11:03.37 | Choubaka | Guerin: UTF solves most of those problems. |
| 11:03.38 | Choubaka | :) |
| 11:03.41 | jethro | AigleDor: you need an up to date package list, apt-cache looks at your local package list. |
| 11:03.49 | AigleDor | tarzeau: because your debian bow has internet and you did apt-get update |
| 11:03.59 | AigleDor | s/bow/box |
| 11:04.26 | jethro | AigleDor: /msg dpkg pdo, read about apt-move, and move on |
| 11:04.33 | Guerin | Choubaka: you'd think so, but that's not the case |
| 11:04.35 | flipy | by the way, jethro, when I mean latest I was pointing that some package has released a new stable version and I'd like to know if it is in some "backports" in debian |
| 11:04.43 | AigleDor | jethro: ok |
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| 11:05.13 | jethro | flipy: it's not as if I cared, really. /msg dpkg search, as shingouz told you. |
| 11:05.14 | shingouz | flipy: what branch of debian you run? |
| 11:05.20 | Choubaka | Guerin: Well, it works locally. |
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| 11:05.30 | Choubaka | Guerin: My system is UTF-8 |
| 11:05.38 | flipy | shingouz, not really debian... ubuntu based :/ |
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| 11:05.48 | Guerin | Choubaka: so it mine. You clearly don't need to visit a lot of korean websites. |
| 11:05.50 | jethro | flipy: then go away |
| 11:05.53 | shingouz | flipy: then wtf are you doing here asking questions then? |
| 11:06.06 | tarzeau | !debian based |
| 11:06.06 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 11:06.07 | Choubaka | Guerin: Well, not really. |
| 11:06.08 | jethro | flipy: this is #debian, not #based-on-debian |
| 11:06.12 | jethro | fucking morons |
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| 11:06.15 | flipy | c'mon |
| 11:06.18 | tarzeau | flipy: NO |
| 11:06.23 | terpstra | Setting up gnome-applets (2.8.2-3) ... |
| 11:06.23 | terpstra | (process:29714): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_schema_get_type: assertion `schema != NULL' failed |
| 11:06.23 | shingouz | !lart flipy |
| 11:06.27 | tarzeau | flipy: if they can't support you, change your distro |
| 11:06.30 | Guerin | Choubaka: since most koreans (just for example) don't set their page encodings to unicode - they iuse koi-eukr or something I can't remember |
| 11:06.31 | terpstra | Anyone else getting this after sarge upgrade? |
| 11:06.34 | jethro | !they don't know |
| 11:06.34 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:06.35 | tarzeau | flipy: if you have debian, we can try to help you |
| 11:06.40 | Choubaka | the ones I've seen have always worked for me. |
| 11:06.48 | flipy | but what I need is a debian package |
| 11:06.54 | jethro | flipy: we don't care |
| 11:06.55 | shingouz | !clue flipy |
| 11:06.55 | tarzeau | flipy: NO |
| 11:07.04 | tarzeau | flipy: you need debian, the distro |
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| 11:07.10 | tarzeau | flipy: and then you can get help with a debian package |
| 11:07.10 | hac | =) |
| 11:07.11 | jethro | flipy: if you want to ask in #debian, you need a debian system, not a debian based piece of shit |
| 11:07.22 | shingouz | !beer jethro |
| 11:07.30 | tarzeau | jethro: with a cheap plastic cherry on top, right? |
| 11:07.42 | tarzeau | flipy: if you want to ask in #debian, you need a debian system, not a debian based piece of shit with a cheap plastic cherry on top!!!!! |
| 11:07.42 | flipy | but it doesn't mean you can be rude |
| 11:07.50 | tarzeau | flipy: honey, we weren't being rude |
| 11:07.57 | Choubaka | Guerin: Well, they ought to specify that in meta headers so browsers can detect it. |
| 11:07.57 | shingouz | flipy: we cannot be rude? eat shit, kid |
| 11:08.02 | jethro | flipy: you were the one rude in the first place. you fucking waste our time with non debian related questions. |
| 11:08.04 | flipy | jethro fucking morons |
| 11:08.10 | jethro | flipy: read the /topic, and see who's been rude, moron |
| 11:08.11 | liable | flipy: give up and leave before it gets nasty, you dont have debian, so it makes it hard to help |
| 11:08.16 | tarzeau | shingouz: www.linuks.mine.nu/pod.jpg |
| 11:08.17 | Choubaka | jethro: shingouz: calm down :P |
| 11:08.18 | AigleDor | can I know which CD(s) will I need to install fluxbox for example? |
| 11:08.27 | Choubaka | flipy: find a channel for your own distro. |
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| 11:08.40 | shingouz | Choubaka: i am calm |
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| 11:09.03 | shingouz | tarzeau: point taken |
| 11:09.05 | Choubaka | shingouz: There is still no need to be rude. :/ |
| 11:09.19 | tarzeau | has someone tried the game kq ? i wonder if it's finished or just half finished |
| 11:09.21 | flipy | hope you never get wrong (GPL is meaning to SHARE, not to being restrictive...) |
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| 11:09.33 | Choubaka | this channel is not GPL. :D |
| 11:09.34 | Guerin | Choubaka: they ought to, but they're stupid |
| 11:09.37 | jethro | tahah |
| 11:09.43 | jethro | tarzeau: nice picture :) |
| 11:09.58 | tarzeau | jethro: i'm sure he won't install debian now |
| 11:10.09 | jethro | so what? |
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| 11:10.25 | doub | hi .* |
| 11:10.33 | jethro | my goal is not to have each and every moron on earth run debian. is it yours? |
| 11:10.47 | Guerin | that's what redhat is for |
| 11:10.48 | zulkifar | Guerin: you speak korean/japanese? |
| 11:10.52 | jethro | Guerin: indeed |
| 11:10.52 | co_sexy | hai leh knl |
| 11:10.52 | tarzeau | jethro: i will be surrounded by less cursed crap, if they all also have debian |
| 11:10.56 | nse | flipy was all the way right |
| 11:11.03 | tarzeau | jethro: if tehy don't have ubuntu, they can't ask about it |
| 11:11.05 | Guerin | zulkifar: i speak a marginal amount of korean; i live here |
| 11:11.10 | nse | you're so rude sometimes |
| 11:11.11 | Guerin | nse: in what way? |
| 11:11.13 | Choubaka | nse: Except he wasn't |
| 11:11.23 | jethro | tarzeau: if they had a brain, and used it, they wouldn't ask in #debian |
| 11:11.23 | pingouin_ | sata at boot time from dvd/cd is for etch ? |
| 11:11.26 | Guerin | we're rude to stupid people |
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| 11:11.33 | tarzeau | Guerin: not all |
| 11:11.34 | Guerin | they stop being stupid, we'll stop being rude |
| 11:11.43 | doub | well, maybe we can just give people advice as to what happens in debian, no matter what, and if that piece of advice comes to crash the thing, oh, well... what a pitty |
| 11:11.47 | jethro | tarzeau: now if they still lack the brain, and use debian, I ain't gonna support them |
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| 11:12.09 | shingouz | doub: that has been tired many many times, it is always a waste of time |
| 11:12.26 | shingouz | s/tired/tried |
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| 11:12.52 | doub | shingouz: just put a warning: here we give debian advice, here's what it is, take it or leave it but don't complain |
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| 11:12.59 | nse | you all should not attack them becouse they're not debian masters, instead of you should help them to find theirs ways to be so... |
| 11:13.10 | xtension | !fuck m$ |
| 11:13.14 | jethro | nse: you should read more carefuly or just shut up |
| 11:13.23 | Choubaka | I don't have Debian installed either at the moment, because I decided to test FreeBSD on my server and my desktop runs mostly on Ubuntu packages with some compiled from sid. |
| 11:13.39 | shingouz | doub: you have noticed how many people actually read the topic when they join |
| 11:13.42 | jethro | nse: the problem is not them being clueless on debian. the problem is them asking off topic questions in #debian |
| 11:13.45 | tarzeau | Choubaka: it doesn't matter what you have. it matters what you talk here |
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| 11:13.51 | Choubaka | tarzeau: indeed. |
| 11:13.53 | nse | jethro: look it more one time... you saying for me to shut up |
| 11:14.11 | shingouz | K_Dallas: yea, put in the debian rescue cd and boot off it :p |
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| 11:14.25 | K_Dallas | and good morning folks ;) |
| 11:14.38 | jethro | nse: just because you're yet another full of shit saying "you're mean in #debian to morons running ubunt and asking #debian for support" |
| 11:14.42 | shingouz | K_Dallas: morning to you too |
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| 11:14.52 | K_Dallas | thank you |
| 11:14.52 | doub | shingouz: of course, of course. but not everyone is an IRC master |
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| 11:14.59 | zulkifar | Guerin: how many encodings are used to display Korean in web? |
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| 11:15.18 | shingouz | doub: it is not too hard to /join #ubuntu instead of /join #debian |
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| 11:15.27 | Noid | doub: no, but you usually read a sign by the door you are entering, no? |
| 11:15.41 | shingouz | doub: just the channel name shoud provide some clue |
| 11:15.55 | umbop | hmm anyone familiar with cyrus-sasl? As i can't get it to authenticate and i'm not sure why, i am using shadow, as the method for authentication, sasl is running, but yet in the logs it says authentication failed - but yet i use the same for pop3d which well is using pam but that works fine |
| 11:16.04 | doub | Noid: of course. but imagin the door is 500 meters high, and the sign is on the top, with all the names of the people in behind, how could you read it? |
| 11:16.05 | Ronin | humm, channel must be on loop today, i swear the last time i looked in it was on this too :) |
| 11:16.21 | jethro | Ronin: it happens on a daily basis |
| 11:16.24 | nse | jethro: as you can see, I'm not actually saying that he is on topic, I'm just trying to say that we need to be more human, if we want to help people |
| 11:16.25 | K_Dallas | Ronin, exactly ;) |
| 11:16.35 | doub | shingouz: well, no need to argue about that with me, i know the whole story |
| 11:16.42 | Choubaka | I'll have to wipe FreeBSD at some point though. Will be setting up a Family computer(TM) when I get a new one to replace my current desktop and it moves to work as a server. |
| 11:16.49 | jethro | nse: I help the one deserving help. they're happy with my answers. I don't care about stupid people |
| 11:16.53 | jethro | !qotd51 |
| 11:16.53 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 11:17.02 | xtension | nse dont worry humans are very human enough |
| 11:17.07 | doub | shingouz: but if we actually want this kind of problem not to happen, we need to understand why these people come here |
| 11:17.13 | liable | nse: shut up, its been done too death, or go away. |
| 11:17.26 | doub | shingouz: and the first reason is, as i understand it, #ubuntu is empty most of the time |
| 11:17.29 | jethro | doub: just because #ubuntu is clueless most of the time |
| 11:17.31 | shingouz | doub: that way we end up supporting not just mandrake but xp on the side |
| 11:17.34 | tarzeau | Choubaka: you'll try GNU/kFreeBSD ? #gnu-kbsd |
| 11:17.37 | K_Dallas | nse, even though I agree with you but imho, linux questions even though we have a ##linux should be the only ones answered here besides Debian ones of course |
| 11:17.43 | jethro | doub: but is this a good reason to support them? |
| 11:17.49 | Ronin | doub: just cause thier channel is empty doesnt mean they come here |
| 11:17.52 | K_Dallas | shingouz, i would love that :):) |
| 11:17.54 | doub | shingouz, jethro, i never said we had to |
| 11:17.55 | Noid | doub: point taken, but anyway, people should read the documentation about the programs they run, and iirc there was something called netiquette in there last time i checked |
| 11:17.57 | Choubaka | tarzeau: Hmm. |
| 11:18.04 | Choubaka | tarzeau: I think I prefer the Linux kernel :P |
| 11:18.05 | doub | just trying to understand people's motivations |
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| 11:18.34 | riki | hello |
| 11:18.35 | liable | doub: its not empty, they ask once, dont get an answer, cant be fucked researching, and come here. |
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| 11:18.43 | Choubaka | the interactivity of 2.6 is good for Desktop systems. |
| 11:18.50 | Choubaka | And family computers alike. |
| 11:18.53 | riki | anyone experienced with software raid and scsi or sata? |
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| 11:19.05 | co_sexy | hai |
| 11:19.05 | riki | I ahve got a problem... understaing how it works... |
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| 11:19.24 | xtension | co_sexy are you wearing your pants ? |
| 11:19.31 | shingouz | !ask |
| 11:19.31 | riki | if I have a raid software mirroing between sda1 and sda2 suppose... |
| 11:19.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 11:19.39 | Choubaka | Besides, making Java and all that non-free multimedia my family requires to work on Debian is so much easier than on freeBSD |
| 11:19.42 | shingouz | !enter |
| 11:19.42 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help. |
| 11:19.56 | d0uglas | goddamnit, already 7:20am .. gotta lie in bed and pretend i've been sleeping.. what a pain in the ass |
| 11:20.07 | d0uglas | lest my parents think i'm insane |
| 11:20.14 | K_Dallas | that was a good one shingouz , i sometimes do that ;) |
| 11:20.25 | shingouz | K_Dallas: huh? |
| 11:20.37 | lewis | are US SIM cards the same as UK SIM cards? |
| 11:20.39 | K_Dallas | the enter thingie |
| 11:20.39 | doub | Noid: nettiquette applies to everybody, if you want to go this way. i don't like this kind of "the law says...", because we're not having an impartial trial here, to say the least |
| 11:20.52 | Choubaka | d0uglas: Hah. |
| 11:20.53 | Choubaka | Hmm |
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| 11:21.03 | shingouz | lewis: sim? as in gsm? |
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| 11:21.27 | lewis | shingouz: yeh |
| 11:21.30 | Exit83 | hi |
| 11:21.50 | shingouz | lewis: not sure but if you have a sim from the uk it will work on a us phone and vice versa |
| 11:21.53 | d0uglas | have a good whatever-time-of-day-it-is-in-your-region, everybody! ciao ciao |
| 11:22.35 | lewis | shingouz: so a US SIM card should work/fit in to a UK phone? |
| 11:23.06 | shingouz | lewis: i think that is stated in some standard somewhere. it should work that way in anycase |
| 11:23.25 | Exit83 | hey, could anybody help me with a NFS problem pls? |
| 11:23.31 | shingouz | !ask |
| 11:23.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 11:23.59 | Exit83 | allright then :d |
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| 11:24.15 | lewis | shingouz: thanks - looking into it... |
| 11:24.23 | cahoot | lewis: I got a phone meant for another continent by design, no problem with the SIM card |
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| 11:24.35 | shingouz | lewis: what you planning? |
| 11:25.12 | Noid | doub: nope, they're just guidelines, but it would be nice for people to behave... and to think a bit |
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| 11:25.36 | jethro | Noid: you're expecting too much :) |
| 11:25.50 | Noid | jethro: i can dream, can't i? |
| 11:26.03 | jethro | Noid: :) |
| 11:26.25 | lewis | I found this: http://www.internationalstudent.com/prepaid_phones/simpacks/tips.shtml |
| 11:26.29 | Noid | jethro: heh, sometimes *I* don't think too much, i guess to expect it from the rest of the world is a bit too much d-: |
| 11:27.12 | lewis | shingouz: just wondering if I could get a USA SIM card if I was to live in the US for a few months... |
| 11:27.19 | lewis | shingouz: without having to buy a new phone. |
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| 11:27.41 | theD3viL | Why PID number is so high when i have computer turned on about 3 days....? |
| 11:27.45 | Noid | lewis: does your phone support all frequencies? |
| 11:27.46 | nanok | lewis: iirc, the short answer is no |
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| 11:27.48 | shingouz | lewis: i think that is possible as long as you have a gsm that can do 1900MHz instead of the european 1800MHz |
| 11:27.58 | tarzeau | theD3viL: why do you care? |
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| 11:28.00 | jethro | lewis: the problem is not the SIM, it's the frequencies your phone can use |
| 11:28.07 | nanok | lewis: not because of the sim but because of the different kind of network |
| 11:28.09 | shingouz | lewis: tri-band phones work in the states too |
| 11:28.13 | jm_ | indeed, USA uses 1900MHz |
| 11:28.14 | theD3viL | tarzeau: dunno, i just ask |
| 11:28.18 | lewis | it is a quad-band phone, that is no problem. |
| 11:28.24 | nanok | exactly, you should be ok with tri-band |
| 11:28.27 | shingouz | lewis: just go for it then |
| 11:28.30 | Noid | theD3viL: they are asigned, so to speak, randomly, meaning that you shouldn't care |
| 11:28.30 | jm_ | theD3viL: because so many processes have been spawned |
| 11:28.32 | tarzeau | theD3viL: how high? |
| 11:28.34 | nanok | motorals, mostlly, tend to be triband |
| 11:28.50 | lewis | thanks - I just didn't know if US SIM cards were double the size or something... |
| 11:28.54 | nanok | lewis: ah, you should be ok |
| 11:29.03 | theD3viL | tarzeau: about 20000.. |
| 11:29.08 | shingouz | lewis: naaah... the card should work if your phone works there |
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| 11:29.14 | theD3viL | jm_: how do you think spawned? |
| 11:29.18 | Noid | theD3viL: that's not high d-: |
| 11:29.21 | jm_ | theD3viL: started |
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| 11:29.28 | lewis | thank you for the advice - you have been helpful guys. |
| 11:29.28 | jethro | lewis: not everything is supersized in the US :) |
| 11:29.30 | nanok | lewis: you should google for your phone model, see if it is supported officially by gsm providers in the states ;) |
| 11:29.31 | johaBBa | hey all. |
| 11:29.38 | nanok | lewis: that would be the safe bet |
| 11:29.40 | theD3viL | Noid: How high do you have? ;) |
| 11:29.49 | shingouz | jethro: have you seen a texan horsefly? :p |
| 11:29.59 | jethro | shingouz: I said not _everything_ :) |
| 11:30.04 | shingouz | :) |
| 11:30.09 | Noid | theD3viL: hmmm right now, around the 60000s |
| 11:30.12 | Exit83 | im trying to setup a NFS server and NFS client in my own 2 PC LAN. Im apt-getted the followin packages: portmap, nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server. I modified my /etc/exports, /etc/hosts.allow. i restarted everything manually but still see some flaws. IF i do rpcinfo -p i see some daemons not rnning (which, according to several howto's) should work like ntfsd, mountd. i restarted my nfs-kernel-server but i am getting an error: FATAL: Error ins |
| 11:30.14 | *** part/#debian xiao (~halcyon@th100096.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) |
| 11:30.16 | Choubaka | everything is big in texas, they say. |
| 11:30.25 | doub | Noid: well, i lost hope in homo sapiens since i went to the paris business neighbourhood "la defense" yesterday ;) |
| 11:30.25 | johaBBa | i'm taking this linux practice exam and it asks 'what command is used to _compile_ a program in linux'...it says here the correct answer is './configure'...that really seems wrong to me? thoughts? |
| 11:30.34 | theD3viL | Noid: rofl, and how many days you have turned on your computer? ;) |
| 11:30.38 | Choubaka | johaBBa: it is wrong :P |
| 11:30.46 | johaBBa | Choubaka, right! it's make! |
| 11:30.57 | Choubaka | well, it's not make either, really. |
| 11:31.03 | shingouz | Exit83: could you slap the error here again, it got cut out |
| 11:31.04 | kneet | If configure starts compiling things without me telling it to then that package is _not_ getting isntalled |
| 11:31.06 | johaBBa | Choubaka, ? |
| 11:31.06 | Choubaka | it's $CC |
| 11:31.10 | Choubaka | usually |
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| 11:31.10 | Exit83 | FATAL: Error inserting nfsd |
| 11:31.14 | Noid | theD3viL: 10 |
| 11:31.17 | doub | Noid: suits are the most brainless and egocentric people i've ever come across, walking on your foot without even noticing |
| 11:31.19 | nanok | johaBBa: quit the course |
| 11:31.19 | johaBBa | Choubaka, hrm. ah. i see. |
| 11:31.20 | shingouz | Exit83: pretty well formatted question though :) |
| 11:31.28 | Exit83 | thx, did my best |
| 11:31.30 | Choubaka | johaBBa: anyway, in most cases you'd use make |
| 11:31.31 | nanok | omfg... |
| 11:31.40 | theD3viL | Noid: nice... ;) |
| 11:31.40 | johaBBa | nanok, indeed....if i hadn't already paid for it. |
| 11:31.41 | Noid | doub: haha |
| 11:31.49 | kneet | Well - make doesn't compile either? It calls a compiler? |
| 11:31.55 | Noid | doub: indeed |
| 11:31.57 | johaBBa | thanks all....i'm going to bust the teachers chops |
| 11:32.18 | xtension | Exit83 check the log files for nfs errors |
| 11:32.21 | Choubaka | kneet: yeah. :P |
| 11:32.22 | nanok | johaBBa: well, at least dum everything you learn there to /tmp, and then clean the damn directory thoroughly.. |
| 11:32.25 | nanok | :) |
| 11:32.30 | nanok | s/dum/dump |
| 11:32.30 | Choubaka | and the compiler calls a linker, and whatever. |
| 11:32.37 | johaBBa | lol |
| 11:32.39 | Exit83 | xtension => in logs or dmesg? |
| 11:32.44 | johaBBa | later all. |
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| 11:32.52 | jm_ | Exit83: does your kernel have support for that? |
| 11:33.09 | Exit83 | yup, i checked it myself, unless i compiled it wrong :s |
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| 11:33.19 | doub | Noid: when you see that "la defense" stands for the same in english, "defense", but defense of what? |
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| 11:33.33 | jm_ | Exit83: wait, maybe you compiled ot statically, while this expects it as modules? |
| 11:33.45 | xtension | Exit83 yes |
| 11:33.46 | nanok | Exit83: try a stock debian kernel, see if it works, if it does, you probablly got your wrong.. |
| 11:34.04 | nanok | yours |
| 11:34.09 | nanok | damn! |
| 11:34.17 | theD3viL | Noid: 1 question ;) ... is superkaramba very bed (i mean it works slowley?) |
| 11:34.18 | Exit83 | okay, how do i get one lol, i *accidentally* deleted it :$ |
| 11:34.21 | Exit83 | shame on me :( |
| 11:34.43 | nanok | Exit83: apt-get install kernel-image.... |
| 11:34.44 | nanok | ? |
| 11:34.47 | shingouz | Exit83: a debian kernel? apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 11:34.53 | Exit83 | BTW dmesg gives me a load of these errors nfsd: Unknown symbol find_exported_dentry |
| 11:34.53 | Exit83 | nfsd: Unknown symbol xdr_decode_string_inplace |
| 11:34.53 | Exit83 | nfsd: Unknown symbol auth_domain_find |
| 11:34.53 | Exit83 | nfsd: Unknown symbol svc_recv |
| 11:34.53 | Exit83 | nfsd: Unknown symbol lockd_down |
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| 11:34.59 | Melfice` | hello, may I know who runs sussudio ? |
| 11:35.07 | nanok | Exit83: apt-cache search first, do get an idea of what kernel images you can choose from |
| 11:35.08 | newegg | yea!!! |
| 11:35.14 | shingouz | Melfice`: he runs himself |
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| 11:35.37 | Melfice` | shingouz: oh he is a user, thought was a bot ^^ |
| 11:35.39 | xtension | Exit84 ? |
| 11:36.13 | hdo781 | Has anyone noticed that many of Christian Marillat's packages from the testing repository are stilled named Sarge? |
| 11:36.16 | shingouz | Melfice`: afaik he eats carbon based fuel instead of electirity. i may be wrong though |
| 11:36.28 | Noid | theD3viL: sorry, don't even know what superkaramba is |
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| 11:36.40 | Melfice` | hah |
| 11:36.45 | chealer | !anyone |
| 11:36.45 | dpkg | from memory, anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 11:37.01 | xtension | !poll |
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| 11:37.01 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 11:37.11 | Exit83 | ach, stupid me |
| 11:37.14 | Exit83 | sorry for the paste |
| 11:37.20 | newegg | !egg |
| 11:37.21 | dpkg | egg is probably what you find in phpinfo() on April Fool's Day Chicken embryo. |
| 11:37.32 | shingouz | happens to us all eventually, Exit83 |
| 11:37.33 | newegg | o_o |
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| 11:38.15 | Exit83 | searching for a standard kernel image now :d |
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| 11:39.02 | Exit83 | i am a bit new to Linux but im trying to figure a lot out, helps me get ot know Linux better ;) |
| 11:39.39 | BK | what do i need to install so i can unrar .rar files ? |
| 11:39.40 | shingouz | Exit83: when running debian, don't compile from source unless you really really need to do so |
| 11:39.46 | Choubaka | BK: unrar or rar |
| 11:39.46 | jm_ | your kernel is not configured correctly if you're seeing those errors |
| 11:39.50 | shingouz | BK: unrar |
| 11:39.57 | Choubaka | rar is nonfree though. |
| 11:40.06 | shingouz | and sucks in anycase |
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| 11:40.18 | jm_ | it doesn't suck |
| 11:40.21 | nanok | Exit83: well, take it easy, one step at a time; for instance, if you want to "roll your own" kernel, start using the config of a stock debian kernel, and go from there ;) |
| 11:40.27 | shingouz | unrar? yes it does |
| 11:40.34 | Choubaka | unrar does |
| 11:40.40 | Choubaka | rar doesn't. |
| 11:40.47 | BK | i get: Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:40.48 | shingouz | !rar |
| 11:40.48 | dpkg | hmm... rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
| 11:40.50 | Noid | BK: you most probably want the package unrar-nonfree |
| 11:40.59 | sep | Exit83: /msg dpkg debian reference and read that link it contains lost of nice to know |
| 11:41.05 | Exit83 | i didnt compile from source :d |
| 11:41.09 | simonrvn | couldn't be worse than M$hit doc files... |
| 11:41.13 | Exit83 | i recompiled my existing one |
| 11:41.14 | shingouz | BK: apt-cache search rar |
| 11:41.23 | jm_ | simonrvn: they will switch to XML |
| 11:41.27 | Choubaka | rar works better than zip with Japanese. |
| 11:41.29 | Exit83 | D/L standard kernel now |
| 11:41.31 | simonrvn | not old fashioned unix doc files (text only) |
| 11:41.52 | Choubaka | dunno about tar |
| 11:41.54 | simonrvn | jm_: as if that's an improvement ;) |
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| 11:42.20 | BK | shingouz, now what ? |
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| 11:42.28 | simonrvn | html with a vengance... |
| 11:42.31 | shingouz | BK: get some caffeine? |
| 11:42.31 | tarzeau | there was some tool to turn text upside/down, kinde like "welcome" gets" 3wo>l3m". does someone know where i could find that? |
| 11:42.35 | Noid | BK: apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 11:42.40 | jm_ | tarzeau: upside-down |
| 11:42.57 | jm_ | damn should have said that using upside-down :) |
| 11:43.00 | Exit83 | after i apt-get the standard kernel, do i need to compile? |
| 11:43.01 | simonrvn | tac too |
| 11:43.06 | claudio_ | ciao |
| 11:43.08 | nanok | simonrvn: agreed. anything that can be plain text should be bloody plain text.. (talk about mails writen in M$ word and all that..) |
| 11:43.11 | jm_ | umop-ap!sdn :neazjef |
| 11:43.13 | BK | Noid, i still get: "Package unrar-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 11:43.16 | tarzeau | jm_: but i can't find it. do you have it somewhere? |
| 11:43.21 | simonrvn | nanok: ugh *shudder* |
| 11:43.25 | jm_ | tarzeau: /msg spkg search :) |
| 11:43.27 | nanok | Exit83: no, yo dont, you just need to boot it ;) |
| 11:43.29 | shingouz | Exit83: no, the kernel-image is what it sounds like, a ready made kernel |
| 11:43.31 | simonrvn | tarzeau: try tac maybe? |
| 11:43.33 | sep | Exit83: no there is no need to compile anything. but you need to reboot on your new kernel |
| 11:43.37 | Noid | BK: then you should add nonfree sources to your sources.list |
| 11:43.41 | jm_ | simonrvn: 3wo>l3m doesn't sound like he needs tac |
| 11:43.47 | Exit83 | so my grub menu.lst is adjusted also? |
| 11:43.56 | simonrvn | oh, yeh. true |
| 11:44.06 | sep | Exit83: yes, unless you have been tampering with it and broken something |
| 11:44.09 | jm_ | Exit83: it is if you let it do that - man kernel-img.conf |
| 11:44.17 | nanok | Exit83: yes, you will be promptet by dpkg about that, afair.. |
| 11:44.33 | sep | Exit83: dosnt hurt to read it just in case now does it |
| 11:44.34 | nanok | ok |
| 11:44.35 | Exit83 | i did nt get prompted but i see a lot of new entries in my menu.st :d |
| 11:44.37 | nanok | gtg |
| 11:44.41 | nanok | tty all later |
| 11:44.47 | nanok | good luck |
| 11:45.14 | tarzeau | jm_: s>|ueyf |
| 11:45.23 | Exit83 | brb |
| 11:45.25 | Exit83 | reboot |
| 11:45.28 | nanok | Exit83: keep in mind the default boot image will not be changed, afair, so you have to chose it manually when you reboot.. |
| 11:45.40 | nanok | well |
| 11:45.42 | jm_ | tarzeau: hehe |
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| 11:45.47 | nanok | i might as well, myself |
| 11:45.48 | nanok | :) |
| 11:45.50 | nanok | byez |
| 11:45.53 | shingouz | seeya |
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| 11:48.14 | tarzeau | jm_: i should send them the nethackify |
| 11:48.25 | tarzeau | jm_: www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ see nh_print ... |
| 11:48.29 | jm_ | tarzeau: good idea |
| 11:48.34 | Exit83 | thx for the help, i did make a fault in my kernel :d |
| 11:49.00 | Exit83 | always nice to know debian has a nice supporting community |
| 11:49.39 | shingouz | Exit83: so now it works then? |
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| 11:49.50 | Choubaka | We're quite unsupportive towards idiots though. |
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| 11:50.10 | Exit83 | well, my server looks allright |
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| 11:50.19 | Exit83 | rpcnfo -p gives me the output i expected now |
| 11:50.19 | shingouz | Exit83: :) |
| 11:50.29 | Exit83 | *rpcinfo -p |
| 11:50.50 | Exit83 | now im going to get the client to mount, probably will fail 2 asi recompiled the kernel also :d |
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| 11:51.58 | shingouz | Exit83: you installed a kernel, you did not recompile it on the box you are on now. just do the same thing on the other box if you have a custom there too |
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| 11:52.47 | theboneman | hello |
| 11:53.01 | Exit83 | ha, it works :d |
| 11:53.13 | shingouz | Exit83: congrats :) |
| 11:53.19 | Exit83 | thx for the help ;) |
| 11:53.32 | theboneman | does debian have good hardware support... |
| 11:53.41 | theboneman | for newer hardwares... |
| 11:53.45 | Exit83 | now im going to cange my grub as it wiped my entry of winXP away (still need it for PC banking :s) |
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| 11:53.52 | shingouz | theboneman: depends on the kernel you pick |
| 11:53.57 | directhex|work | !tell theboneman about sarge hardware support |
| 11:53.59 | simonrvn | theboneman: h/w support is kernel based, not distro based |
| 11:54.01 | theboneman | ah k |
| 11:54.17 | directhex|work | simonrvn, and x server based |
| 11:54.24 | jm_ | well for X you need out-of-the kernel things |
| 11:54.26 | simonrvn | heh, yeh |
| 11:54.30 | simonrvn | sure |
| 11:54.44 | theboneman | um |
| 11:55.02 | sep | shared storage on a server server, is nfs still the most reliable bet, or are there other that have take over the show ? |
| 11:55.07 | sep | sarge server |
| 11:55.18 | jm_ | NFS or Samba |
| 11:55.19 | theboneman | ... |
| 11:55.56 | sep | i was more thinking if there was anything with better performance then nfs with the same reliability |
| 11:56.10 | directhex|work | nothing Free, for day-to-day use |
| 11:56.20 | jm_ | all other solutions are non-standard, and used by far less people |
| 11:56.28 | sep | nfs it is then |
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| 11:57.18 | shingouz | sep: /msg dpkg nfs ;) |
| 11:57.45 | shingouz | sep: i just love the nicknames nfs has :) |
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| 11:58.17 | sep | huh ? i'v never had problems with nfs that wasnt due to my own stupidity/ignorance |
| 11:58.24 | sep | shingouz: fun tho :) |
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| 11:58.43 | jm_ | it's easy to run into NFS issues, so it deserves some of that |
| 11:59.03 | simonrvn | i haven't yet. weirdly enough |
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| 11:59.59 | shingouz | sep: no major problems here either, just that the nickames are real neat |
| 12:00.03 | Exit83 | well, isnt it tipical that linux users react on a problem like this: what did i do wrong?? opposed to windows users: what the hell did windows do |
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| 12:00.27 | Exit83 | so i find it quite normal if something like nfs doesnt work, its your own ingorance :d |
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| 12:00.34 | shingouz | Exit83: the difference is that with doze there is nothing you can really do except reinstall, on linux you can do something about it |
| 12:00.45 | simonrvn | shingouz: :) |
| 12:00.50 | Exit83 | and thats a good thing 2 :d |
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| 12:01.03 | Choubaka | shingouz: most of the time |
| 12:01.12 | Choubaka | My computer is so broken it acts like windows. |
| 12:01.19 | Exit83 | lol |
| 12:01.25 | Choubaka | And I can't help it other than by buying replacement parts. |
| 12:01.35 | ElSebas | why can be posible that Gnome put "No name" in all the icons of a Desktop? |
| 12:01.40 | Choubaka | It is reasonably stable if I don't run X though. |
| 12:01.46 | shingouz | Choubaka: bad hardware is another thing |
| 12:01.52 | Choubaka | So I will keep it as a server. |
| 12:02.02 | Exit83 | everything thats grpahical puts a decent load onto the system |
| 12:02.07 | Exit83 | graphical |
| 12:02.08 | jm_ | reminds me of my first 486 - it worked fine with a.out binaries, ELF ones were crashing left and right ;) |
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| 12:02.28 | Exit83 | i try installing gnome with as less possible "needs" |
| 12:02.33 | Exit83 | gnome-core |
| 12:02.41 | Exit83 | apt)get gnome-core |
| 12:03.11 | shingouz | Exit83: how much cpu and ram you have? |
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| 12:03.50 | Gathond | Exit83: if anything graphical is a strain gnome and KDE might not be the best choice |
| 12:03.54 | Exit83 | on this machine i have enough AMD2600+ with 256 RAM, on other machine i have a Duron 900 with 128 ram |
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| 12:04.09 | Exit83 | gathond, i ran fluxbox quite a while |
| 12:04.15 | shingouz | Exit83: those should have the power to work gnome :) |
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| 12:04.26 | Exit83 | i know, thats why i dont use fluxbox anymore :d |
| 12:04.35 | Gathond | shingouz: aint 128 MB a bit small for the whole gnome thing |
| 12:04.52 | Exit83 | i only use gnome to surf |
| 12:05.00 | shingouz | Gathond: no idea, i have never used gnome or kde ;) |
| 12:05.01 | simonrvn | don't have much issues on a p2 either, but the ide bus is fucking slow (used to scsi) |
| 12:05.03 | Exit83 | nothing more, rest is terminal work on that machine |
| 12:05.08 | Mazzy | It's two day that I'm trying to download the dvd image, but I get 370 e 170 MB files, from different server,using IE, Firefox. any workaround ? |
| 12:05.16 | shingouz | anyways, i need to scoot for a few hours. laters |
| 12:05.28 | simonrvn | get a bit of load, and heavy disk i/o everything slows to crawl |
| 12:05.31 | Exit83 | Mazzy => why not get netboot image? |
| 12:05.33 | Gathond | shingouz: I haven't since version 1.2, but my impression of KDE/Gnome is that 128 MB would be an absolute minimum |
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| 12:05.59 | K_Dallas | Gathond, i have ran kde on 128, older versions tho |
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| 12:06.05 | Exit83 | what do you guys use instead? |
| 12:06.05 | Mazzy | Exit83 I must install on a PC don't connect to the net |
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| 12:06.17 | Exit83 | hmm, sucks :s |
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| 12:06.27 | Exit83 | order them |
| 12:06.30 | directhex|work | Mazzy, download it on a 64 bit computer with a 64 bit download app. or use bittorrent |
| 12:06.31 | Exit83 | 20$ i believe |
| 12:06.35 | Gathond | K_Dallas: without it putting a strain on the machine because of swapping? (and newer versions would be the most important here, as older probably uses less memory) |
| 12:07.09 | f00bar | is there any way to list all files accessing my filesystem |
| 12:07.11 | K_Dallas | true but gnome should be fairly ok depending on the use |
| 12:07.21 | directhex|work | f00bar, lsof |
| 12:07.40 | Exit83 | especially when you arent using any heavy programs running on gnome |
| 12:07.52 | jm_ | f00bar: that or strace if you need it for one app - there's always LKT for more demanding needs |
| 12:07.54 | Mazzy | directhex Why 64bit cpu ? it's a official issue ? I can't download a 4GB file on a NTFS parttion ? |
| 12:08.02 | Exit83 | the only program i need on my "light" machine in gnome is a browser |
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| 12:08.25 | Penix | Exit83: then why use gnome? |
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| 12:08.35 | Penix | Exit83: if all you need is a browser, install twm or something |
| 12:08.39 | Exit83 | its an experimental box |
| 12:08.44 | Exit83 | i rarely use is |
| 12:08.45 | Exit83 | it |
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| 12:09.10 | Exit83 | my HDD makes more noise then my clock radio when its trying to wake me up :/ |
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| 12:09.18 | directhex|work | Mazzy, it's a 2gb limit in most downloading applications which is more likely to be the problem. i know wget on 32bit dies at 2gb |
| 12:09.21 | Exit83 | im waiting for it to crash |
| 12:09.36 | Exit83 | been 6 months already though :d |
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| 12:10.14 | simonrvn | some drives are just plain noisy. at one point i had 3 (?) barracudas in one box |
| 12:10.18 | Penix | wtf. why does the cpu arch have anything to do with file size support? I thought that was up to the filesystem |
| 12:10.28 | Guerin | Mazzy: or use a real client, like ftp |
| 12:10.31 | Guerin | err |
| 12:10.32 | Guerin | lftp |
| 12:10.49 | Mazzy | directhex : Thanks, this just sucks, badly written application. |
| 12:10.51 | simonrvn | Penix: to a certain extent yes. but other issues might limit it too |
| 12:10.53 | Exit83 | simon => well, knowing that it one WAS silent it isnt a godo thing to make a lot of noise when performing read/write commands :d |
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| 12:11.10 | Mazzy | guerin I'll try some ftp clients |
| 12:11.11 | Exit83 | as long as you dont do read/write commands, its silent |
| 12:11.12 | directhex|work | Mazzy, bittorrent should be fine, you could use that. or jigdo. |
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| 12:11.39 | Penix | if you don't use it, you can't hear it...interesting theory |
| 12:11.49 | Exit83 | :d |
| 12:12.01 | Guerin | Penix: like 'if it's not turned on, it doesn't consume power' |
| 12:12.07 | Exit83 | well, my next experiment is to use it as a terminal |
| 12:12.12 | directhex|work | Penix, most download apps use a long (i think) as the maximum size of a file. go figure |
| 12:12.13 | Mazzy | thanks I go. |
| 12:12.19 | Penix | directhex|work: ah |
| 12:12.28 | Exit83 | so i dont need a HDD anymore |
| 12:12.32 | K_Dallas | how do you kill a process, i mean really kill it? ;) kill -9 did not do the job |
| 12:12.43 | Guerin | K_Dallas: in tat case, it can't be killed |
| 12:12.46 | Exit83 | killall (processname) |
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| 12:12.48 | simonrvn | Exit83: you mean a thin client? |
| 12:12.50 | Guerin | !zombie |
| 12:12.50 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 12:12.50 | Exit83 | jup |
| 12:12.51 | K_Dallas | darn :( |
| 12:12.55 | directhex|work | Penix, for example: |
| 12:12.59 | K_Dallas | Exit83, let me try |
| 12:13.07 | directhex|work | Penix, wget on amd64: Length: 4,686,706,688 [application/x-iso9660-image] |
| 12:13.21 | directhex|work | Penix, wget in ia32 chroot: Length: 391,739,392 [application/x-iso9660-image] |
| 12:13.47 | K_Dallas | Exit83, killall did not recognize the process at all! |
| 12:13.54 | directhex|work | we need a factoid to cover this, i think |
| 12:14.04 | Exit83 | K_dallas, look like 10 lines above you |
| 12:14.06 | tralala | hey, speaking of amd64, I've noticed that fsn.hu offers dvd images of the amd64 port |
| 12:14.07 | Guerin | directhex|work: to the factoidmobile! |
| 12:14.08 | bowman | heya. since one of the last upgrades, I'm having massive trouble with KDE programs - they complain about dcopserver not running, kile says it can't open the .. dir ("unknown file type .."), kdevelop3 says it can't find any plugins. both programs worked before. any hints? |
| 12:14.10 | Exit83 | the zombie explanation |
| 12:14.22 | directhex|work | bowman, which debian version? |
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| 12:14.30 | Penix | dananananananana factman! |
| 12:14.37 | K_Dallas | thanks Guerin |
| 12:14.41 | bowman | directhex: it used to be testing :-) |
| 12:14.43 | Guerin | !penix++ |
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| 12:14.53 | zulkifar | I can't run LINKS2 - it crashes with error: "links2: relocation error: links2: undefined symbol: vga_waitevent" |
| 12:15.11 | Exit83 | im studying CCNA but sadly, we dont see any OS. Where I lvie, we are expected to know something about OS'es, so i mtrying stuff out on Linux |
| 12:15.19 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: ping |
| 12:15.30 | Exit83 | like Mail servers, NFS, thin clients, web server |
| 12:16.02 | bowman | directhex|work: sry - ehm it used to be deb. testing |
| 12:16.22 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 12:16.23 | zulkifar | I can't run LINKS2 - it crashes with error: "links2: relocation error: links2: undefined symbol: vga_waitevent". (continue) I update svgalib to lastest stable but this doesn't help. How to fix this? |
| 12:16.35 | directhex|work | bowman, so it probably still is testing, in which case it's gonna be utterly fucked for the next, well, long time |
| 12:16.37 | simonrvn | Exit83: well any of the bsds or linux are good to learn on/from. |
| 12:16.43 | simonrvn | imo |
| 12:16.46 | tarzeau | zulkifar: did you read /usr/share/doc/links2 ? |
| 12:17.03 | bowman | directhex|work: heh :) so what do I do? dist-upgrade to sarge to break it even more? ;) |
| 12:17.07 | bobwJek | anyone have any idea why the php info page of my php4-mysql package install still has a --without-mysql string in the "configure command" field |
| 12:17.17 | bobwJek | But mysql works |
| 12:17.19 | simonrvn | bowman: sarge went stable. i.e. released |
| 12:17.22 | Exit83 | simonrvn: trying to work solely on linux and test a lot. every week im trying to get something new up :d |
| 12:17.43 | bowman | simonrvn: I know, now the question is, should I switch to it, if that would be possible at all? |
| 12:17.43 | simonrvn | see /topic |
| 12:17.44 | directhex|work | bowman, sounds like it's too late to go back to sarge |
| 12:17.47 | directhex|work | !dvd images |
| 12:17.47 | dpkg | Many applications on 32 bit architectures will not download files over 2Gb correctly - including Debian DVD ISO images. Use a 64 bit architecture, or an alternate download method such as Jigdo or BitTorrent. Also ensure your file system does files over 2Gb. |
| 12:17.51 | Exit83 | simonrvn: i have to say, i used 2 other distro's so far, but Debian defiantely is great |
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| 12:18.01 | simonrvn | i like it ;) |
| 12:18.01 | directhex|work | ^^ factoid police, how's that? |
| 12:18.03 | Axioplase | Hi |
| 12:18.08 | zulkifar | tarzeau: (reading) |
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| 12:18.28 | simonrvn | looks fine, though i'm not any sort of police thingy |
| 12:18.38 | asg | directhex|work: I give it 3 Penixs out of 4 |
| 12:18.38 | tarzeau | zulkifar: tell me how you start it, textmode or fb and what versions of svgalib/links2 you have |
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| 12:18.48 | Guerin | directhex|work: add lftp - it definitely supports >2G files |
| 12:18.57 | revenger | hmm is there a better way to build debian packages? http://tinyurl.com/c5j5r |
| 12:19.03 | directhex|work | Guerin, add it yerself! |
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| 12:19.08 | jm_ | lftp is teh rocks |
| 12:19.27 | tarzeau | revenger: dh_make? www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 12:19.28 | Axioplase | I'd like to distupgrade from woody to sarge, but I only have like...err... 10 or 20Mo on my drive. not enough to fetch all the .deb files.. What can I do? (If needed, I have other computers which have sapce left) |
| 12:19.36 | directhex|work | revenger, trivially, run dh_make then dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:19.38 | Guerin | asg: you mean 8=====D 8=====D 8=====D ? |
| 12:19.48 | asg | !penixsmite Guerin |
| 12:19.49 | revenger | tarzeau: danke :) |
| 12:19.54 | kvn | Axioplase: You could create NFS mounts on those other disks. |
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| 12:19.59 | tarzeau | revenger: bisey degil :) |
| 12:20.07 | directhex|work | Axioplase, you could always nfs mount some empty space into /var/apt/cache/whateveritishere |
| 12:20.10 | xtension | heya |
| 12:20.14 | Penix | hah |
| 12:20.19 | xtension | i work with these kinda ppl : |
| 12:20.29 | Guerin | !dvd images =~ s/BitTorrent/BitTorrent or lftp/ |
| 12:20.30 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 12:20.34 | tarzeau | directhex|work: better even "debuild" |
| 12:20.35 | Guerin | !penixstrike asg |
| 12:20.37 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking asg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 12:20.40 | Guerin | pwnd |
| 12:20.51 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 12:20.55 | directhex|work | tarzeau, whatever, i just go with what i know, and the above's worked for me when packaging in the past |
| 12:20.57 | asg | hah |
| 12:21.22 | Jon | wow woody->sarge seems remarkably painful |
| 12:21.34 | Dave2 | A towering http://ase.arc.nasa.gov/people/jpenix/jp.jpg ? |
| 12:21.35 | xtension | hes in an internet cafe because his internet is out since the cleaninglady touched a switch somewere ?? he s reading his email with a webbrowser and calls me to tell me his site is down. somebody help |
| 12:21.37 | Guerin | Jon: got any 3rd party or backports? |
| 12:21.50 | Axioplase | kvn: directhex|work ok. Do I need that other computer to be a linux? or any unix will do the job? (Or, can I mount UFS? Or just a FS my kernel knows hwo to read ?) |
| 12:21.51 | Penix | Dave2: no |
| 12:21.57 | zulkifar | tarzeau: if I run links2 w/o params, it outputs above error message and kills terminal (it doesn't respond to keyboard). If I run with -g - it quickly opens some window, then returns to parent terminal with above error. I've just installed it from stable sarge. svgalib is latest too. |
| 12:22.01 | Jon | Guerin: nope, nothing on hold either - but some xlibs stuff hanging around for vnc and (I think emacs); had to basically remove all that before I started because of libmesa3 conflicts |
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| 12:22.09 | masoft | Dave2, who is he ?! |
| 12:22.13 | kvn | Axioplase: Most UNIXes are fine. It just needs to have NFS server support. |
| 12:22.24 | Dave2 | masoft, http://ase.arc.nasa.gov/people/jpenix/ |
| 12:22.26 | Axioplase | kvn: K thanks. I'm going for that. |
| 12:22.29 | directhex|work | Axioplase, any unix, or windows nt 5 with windows services for unix installed |
| 12:22.40 | Penix | masoft: a guy called John Penix who works for NASA. Many people have asked if I'm him |
| 12:22.41 | masoft | Dave2, I saw it ! who is he ?!? |
| 12:22.43 | Guerin | Jon: hrm, interesting. Mine upgraded cleanly, including mesa and emacs and x libs; the only exceptions being backports |
| 12:22.47 | xtension | im gonna take a break now |
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| 12:22.55 | Jon | Guerin: I guess I'm just unlucky then :) |
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| 12:23.07 | tirkal | hi. I'm getting Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 132.66.16.12 8080] |
| 12:23.21 | Penix | tirkal: you sure are |
| 12:23.24 | sep | tirkal: testing dont havce security |
| 12:23.24 | masoft | Penix, now, are you him ? :)) |
| 12:23.24 | tirkal | this is during apt-get update |
| 12:23.25 | Guerin | Jon: I did mine a month or so ago; just after security went onlinwe |
| 12:23.28 | Penix | masoft: no |
| 12:23.33 | bowman | so I have a fucked up system now and am unable to work, is that the summary? |
| 12:23.33 | directhex|work | !testing security |
| 12:23.34 | dpkg | i guess testing security issues is http://newraff.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 12:23.37 | Jon | Guerin: ah right. I'm just doing mine now |
| 12:23.37 | Guerin | tirkal: it sure is |
| 12:23.38 | directhex|work | bah |
| 12:23.42 | Exit|away | trikal: your sources.list is wrong |
| 12:23.53 | tirkal | Exit|away: so what should I do? |
| 12:23.58 | Guerin | bowman: remove kde -> problem solved |
| 12:23.58 | tirkal | read the URL above? |
| 12:24.03 | directhex|work | !testing security is also THERE ARE NO SECURITY UPDATES FOR TESTING (ETCH)! |
| 12:24.03 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
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| 12:24.05 | bowman | Guerin: will do. |
| 12:24.11 | Guerin | tirkal: or you could just sit there whining |
| 12:24.21 | sep | bowman: downgrade to sarge. |
| 12:24.25 | tirkal | Guerin: whining is more fun! |
| 12:24.25 | Exit|away | tirkal: well |
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| 12:24.35 | Exit|away | tirkal: you have your answer already :d |
| 12:24.39 | dopey | directhex|work: um, i'd suggest you correct that. |
| 12:24.39 | Guerin | tirkal: until you get larted |
| 12:24.49 | Guerin | dopey: it's correct |
| 12:24.55 | dopey | Guerin: no its not. |
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| 12:25.00 | Thanatermesis | !etch |
| 12:25.00 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debain |
| 12:25.02 | Guerin | dopey: please demonstrate this. |
| 12:25.05 | directhex|work | dopey, correct it how? it's already correct. |
| 12:25.07 | Exit|away | tirkal: vim /etc/apt/sources.list and remove it :d |
| 12:25.13 | Thanatermesis | !etch security |
| 12:25.14 | dpkg | [etch security] that there is no such thing as of yet. comment out the line in your sources.list |
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| 12:25.15 | zulkifar | Anybody knows how to open lynx right into 'source view' mode? |
| 12:25.32 | revenger | tarzeau: what about dependencies? |
| 12:25.45 | dopey | Guerin, directhex|work: an example: http://secure-testing.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:25.47 | tirkal | Exit|away: how do I comment it out? #, ; ? |
| 12:25.51 | bowman | sep: downgrade to sarge? which is probably a nasty piece of work? :) |
| 12:25.55 | Guerin | dopey: unofficial. |
| 12:26.19 | chealer | !testing security |
| 12:26.23 | sep | bowman: naturally |
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| 12:26.46 | chealer | !literal testing security |
| 12:26.46 | dpkg | testing security is <reply> see testing security issues THERE ARE NO SECURITY UPDATES FOR TESTING (ETCH)! |
| 12:27.01 | dopey | Guerin: try and look at the people invovled in that project. look *really* hard. |
| 12:27.10 | bowman | sep: no thanks. I'll just write latex documents by hand in the future, it's easier anyway. |
| 12:27.18 | tirkal | ok, I commented http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main out with # |
| 12:27.32 | tirkal | now I get a huge list of errors when doing apt-get upgrade |
| 12:27.38 | Guerin | dopey: work on your reading comprehension: "we aim to eventually provide full security support for testing." |
| 12:27.42 | tirkal | (update works fine) |
| 12:27.43 | Jon | suggest not using sid on a machine which is important |
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| 12:28.10 | tirkal | "Processing was halted because there were too many errors." |
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| 12:28.44 | chealer | !no, testing security is not supported, or ask me about testing security issues |
| 12:28.50 | Guerin | tirkal: if you're running sarge, just change 'testing' to 'stable' and uncomment the line |
| 12:29.06 | mwe | how big a swap partition should I have with 1GB of ram? |
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| 12:29.22 | directhex|work | i'd use 1gb. maybe a bit more, to be sure |
| 12:29.23 | bob2 | maybe 256MB |
| 12:29.40 | theD3viL | mwe: i have 1024mb of swap |
| 12:29.45 | bob2 | wtf |
| 12:29.47 | bob2 | why? |
| 12:29.48 | jm_ | mwe: that depends on what you will use it for - for example, I use 1.5G with 512M, and I needed more in the past |
| 12:29.52 | kvn | To waste space |
| 12:29.52 | directhex|work | but i use suspend-to-disk, which needs at least as much swap as ram |
| 12:29.56 | mwe | theD3viL :and 1GB of ram? |
| 12:29.57 | bob2 | ah |
| 12:29.57 | dpryo | I've got 3GB swap :) |
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| 12:30.05 | theD3viL | mwe: no, 512mb |
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| 12:30.27 | theD3viL | bob2: Its automaticly resize (debian) ;) |
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| 12:30.46 | chealer | !no, security.debian.org is an APT source only available for stable and oldstable, or ask me about security |
| 12:30.53 | chealer | damn bot |
| 12:31.16 | tirkal | :/ doesn't work |
| 12:31.29 | tirkal | I am running sarge, but I still get the same error. |
| 12:31.58 | man_in_shack | "etch"? who came up with that? |
| 12:32.04 | bob2 | tirkal: so, paste the error to #flood |
| 12:32.06 | chealer | !codenames |
| 12:32.06 | dpkg | hmm... codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), Woody=Stable (3.0) Sarge=Testing (3.1) Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 12:32.07 | Ronin | man_in_shack: toy story |
| 12:32.10 | sep | tirkal: rm /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-setup |
| 12:32.11 | directhex|work | man_in_shack, pixar corp |
| 12:32.16 | tirkal | (changed "testing" to "stable" in sources.list) |
| 12:32.25 | man_in_shack | oh |
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| 12:32.40 | Dave2 | woody, potato, sarge, etch, sid... |
| 12:32.41 | chealer | tirkal: and what's the error you get? |
| 12:32.44 | tirkal | bob2: I'll try what sep suggested |
| 12:32.46 | chealer | !security.d.o |
| 12:32.46 | dpkg | see security.d.o |
| 12:32.49 | theD3viL | bob2: how mb space do you have on swap? |
| 12:32.53 | chealer | argh |
| 12:32.53 | tirkal | chealer: Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 12:33.07 | tirkal | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 12:33.08 | bob2 | theD3viL: 512MB ram, 900-odd swap |
| 12:33.08 | chealer | I'm too stupid |
| 12:33.13 | bob2 | tirkal: that's not useful output |
| 12:33.13 | Texou | Hi everybody. Does someone know to use the ICQ with centericq? I cannot register on ICQ using centericq menu, and I'd like to do that. |
| 12:33.18 | bob2 | tirkal: paste the WHOLE thing to #flood |
| 12:33.24 | man_in_shack | no wonder i dislike it ;) |
| 12:33.29 | chealer | tirkal: on apt-get update? |
| 12:33.33 | directhex|work | dpkg, codenames =~ s/Woody=Stable (3.0) Sarge=Testing (3.1)/woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing/ |
| 12:33.33 | dpkg | directhex|work: OK |
| 12:33.34 | theD3viL | bob2: 900-odd? wft? |
| 12:33.46 | bob2 | theD3viL: 900 or so MB |
| 12:33.46 | tirkal | bob2: I understand. I'll try sep's suggestion and if it doesn't work, I'll paste. |
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| 12:34.00 | tirkal | chealer: upgrade |
| 12:34.25 | man_in_shack | personally i woulda liked to see xorg make it into sarge |
| 12:34.29 | chealer | tirkal: ah ok, sorry |
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| 12:34.44 | chealer | !comfort man_in_shack |
| 12:34.45 | dpkg | There, there, man_in_shack. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:35.06 | directhex|work | man_in_shack, there were a lot of reasons not to. i'd have liked to see xorg's driver support in sarge. |
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| 12:35.47 | HSMChan | need some help here |
| 12:35.48 | man_in_shack | i just think having xorg in sarge would make it a bit more of a competitor |
| 12:36.04 | Ronin | HSMChan: cant help till they know the problem |
| 12:36.04 | bob2 | HSMChan: you need to ask a question |
| 12:36.05 | Fa|dra | hi all, is there a way to make an OR compare in an if statement in a script? |
| 12:36.09 | directhex|work | man_in_shack, competitor? debian's not some corporation going for a contract |
| 12:36.16 | jm_ | Fa|dra: of course |
| 12:36.19 | HSMChan | i installed debian with the desktop package |
| 12:36.23 | directhex|work | Fa|dra, || |
| 12:36.31 | directhex|work | HSMChan, debian 3.1? |
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| 12:36.38 | man_in_shack | directhex|work, i know |
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| 12:36.40 | HSMChan | yep |
| 12:36.41 | Texou | lol Centericq may be very old, since noone use it anymore. |
| 12:36.41 | Fa|dra | jm_ thank you! |
| 12:37.08 | directhex|work | man_in_shack, from what i hear, xorg isn't in a fit state for non-mainstream architectures, which would mess up debian's 12-arch setup |
| 12:37.14 | HSMChan | when i reboot, the desktop won't start |
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| 12:37.31 | HSMChan | i can only work on the terminal interface (recovery mode) |
| 12:37.55 | theD3viL | Is it normal to use 415mb/512mb of ram .. but i only chatting ? |
| 12:37.56 | directhex|work | HSMChan, sounds like your x server isn't correctly configured. what graphics card do you have? |
| 12:37.57 | HSMChan | think it's the graphic card problem, need to reconfig the driver |
| 12:38.22 | HSMChan | actually, i am using virtual PC for debain |
| 12:38.26 | xophEr | theD3viL, perfectly normal, linux releases the memory only when its needed by something else |
| 12:38.38 | HSMChan | need to configure it to s3Trio64 |
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| 12:38.45 | HSMChan | i just don't know how |
| 12:38.54 | theD3viL | xophEr: oh.. now windows yeah =)=) |
| 12:38.59 | Fa|dra | jm_ if [ "$LIMITUSER" != "root" ]; then how can I add a || "lineage" to this? |
| 12:39.01 | theD3viL | not* =) |
| 12:39.35 | tarzeau | revenger: your responsibility |
| 12:39.36 | tirkal | :/ still getting the same errors |
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| 12:40.02 | HSMChan | how do i reconfigure the desktop environment using terminal? |
| 12:40.04 | tirkal | alright I'll paste the end of the output to flood |
| 12:40.09 | tirkal | * #flood |
| 12:40.44 | directhex|work | !drxx |
| 12:40.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
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| 12:41.05 | Fa|dra | anyone knows how I can add OR to this statement? if [ "$LIMITUSER" != "root" ]; then need to check for one more user before the then |
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| 12:41.15 | jm_ | Fa|dra: ,am yesy |
| 12:41.25 | jm_ | Fa|dra: sorry, man test |
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| 12:41.40 | HSMChan | what's the command to configure desktop? |
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| 12:42.01 | mwe | how do you list partitions on a disk? |
| 12:42.07 | xophEr | df -h |
| 12:42.07 | tirkal | df |
| 12:42.22 | tirkal | ok, I'll try pasting them again |
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| 12:42.37 | tirkal | (the errors that apt-get upgrade returns; I get about a million) |
| 12:42.40 | mwe | I want to see unmounted partition too |
| 12:42.42 | tirkal | it's in #flood |
| 12:43.00 | directhex|work | mwe, fdisk -l |
| 12:43.09 | mwe | directhex: thanks |
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| 12:43.22 | jm_ | cat /proc/partitions |
| 12:43.43 | Exit83 | thats a nice list tirkal :d |
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| 12:44.08 | HSMChan | anyone know how to configure the Xserver? |
| 12:44.18 | HSMChan | how do i do it from command line |
| 12:44.19 | directhex|work | !drxx |
| 12:44.20 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
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| 12:44.25 | Exit83 | HSMChan |
| 12:44.32 | HSMChan | hi exit |
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| 12:44.39 | Exit83 | HSMChan: its something like Xconfigure-4 or so |
| 12:44.46 | Exit83 | wait ill look it up |
| 12:44.53 | tirkal | Exit83: thanks :) |
| 12:44.56 | tirkal | now any idea what I need to od about it? |
| 12:45.01 | directhex|work | for fuck's sake |
| 12:45.17 | dancios | when i want keep sid i must change everything to testing ? |
| 12:45.22 | directhex|work | TYPE "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" AND PRESS THE ENTER KEY |
| 12:45.31 | directhex|work | dancios, no. |
| 12:45.33 | tirkal | directhex: me? |
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| 12:45.55 | tirkal | nah, I guess that was for HSMChan |
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| 12:46.03 | directhex|work | HSMChan, who's making an extra special effort to ignore the correct command |
| 12:46.18 | dancios | but sid was unstable and sarge now is stable and unstble i thought was etch |
| 12:46.26 | HSMChan | thx |
| 12:46.32 | HSMChan | i will give it a try |
| 12:46.38 | sep | dancios: sid is allways unstable and allways will be |
| 12:46.43 | sep | dancios: the new testing is etch |
| 12:46.47 | Exit83 | HSMCham: wel lsomeone beat me to it |
| 12:46.50 | directhex|work | !codenames |
| 12:46.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 12:46.50 | Exit83 | :d |
| 12:47.04 | dancios | ok :) sory for my incompetence :] |
| 12:47.19 | HSMChan | thanks direct |
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| 12:47.32 | Exit83 | im using sarge with unstable apt-get sources :d |
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| 12:47.36 | tirkal | anyone has any idea wrt what I should do with all those errors? |
| 12:47.44 | XTF | Hi. I was wondering, why have there been no updates to kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 since April 2004? Are there no security vulnerabilities in that kernel? |
| 12:47.46 | masoft | Who is Etch ? |
| 12:48.02 | Exit83 | tirkal: what are your entry's in your etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 12:48.02 | masoft | who was Etch in Toystory ? |
| 12:48.06 | suburbanitefury | When you say "non-us is part of main," does that mean such packages can be legally distributed from the US? |
| 12:48.07 | Exit83 | the etch board |
| 12:48.10 | Exit83 | duuh :d |
| 12:48.13 | Ronin | masoft: etch-a-sketch |
| 12:48.14 | Exit83 | :) |
| 12:48.14 | tirkal | Exit83: I just reconfigured them |
| 12:48.15 | directhex|work | XTF, if there have been no updates, then no, but you should really be using sarge |
| 12:48.24 | tirkal | Exit83: I'll paste them to #flood |
| 12:48.33 | Exit83 | tirkal: k |
| 12:48.34 | directhex|work | Exit83, if you have unstable sources, it's called unstable |
| 12:48.39 | Gathond | c |
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| 12:48.45 | xk | d |
| 12:48.46 | tirkal | (apt-get upgrade still returns the same errors as with the previous config) |
| 12:48.50 | Exit83 | directhex|work: nce :d |
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| 12:49.50 | mwe | I wonder why free reports my 1GB of RAM as 882MB |
| 12:50.06 | sep | tirkal: what error does apt-get update produce ? |
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| 12:50.18 | sep | tirkal: in #flood |
| 12:50.23 | Exit83 | sep: its in #flood |
| 12:50.31 | Exit83 | sep: and its a lot :d |
| 12:50.32 | Gathond | mwe: because you use x86 on a non highmem enabled kernel |
| 12:50.42 | XTF | directhex: I'm running testing, but it's for a discussion |
| 12:50.42 | sep | Exit83: i wants in flood when he pasted it you see |
| 12:50.45 | nkuttler | Exit83: well, usually the first error is important |
| 12:51.23 | mops | I installed debian sarge in time it was unstable on my server |
| 12:51.31 | xtension | hes in an internet cafe because his internet is out since the cleaninglady touched a switch somewere ?? he s trying read his pop3 email now with a webbrowser and calls me to tell me his site is down. somebody help |
| 12:51.34 | mwe | Gathond: so enabling highmem in the kernel should fix it? |
| 12:51.38 | directhex|work | mops, no you didn't, sarge has never been unstable |
| 12:51.41 | mops | what should I add now to my sources.list to have ONLY stable? |
| 12:51.48 | mops | packages? |
| 12:51.56 | mops | oh sorry, testing |
| 12:52.02 | mops | I made mistake |
| 12:52.04 | Gathond | mwe: or just downloading a precompiled one, I believe debian has severel -highmem packages |
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| 12:52.06 | sep | tirkal did you apt-get or aptitude when you upgraded ? did you actualy read the release notes ? |
| 12:52.30 | tirkal | sep: iirc I've always used apt-get |
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| 12:52.40 | tirkal | which release notes? :) |
| 12:52.44 | sep | tirkal: read the release notes |
| 12:52.47 | directhex|work | mops, deb blahblahblah sarge main; deb-src blahblahblah sarge main; deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main |
| 12:52.53 | jm_ | tirkal: install Windows instead |
| 12:52.57 | mops | thx |
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| 12:53.02 | sep | !sarge release notes> |
| 12:53.03 | directhex|work | Gathond, -highmem is irrelevant and obsolete in sargeland |
| 12:53.04 | tirkal | jm_: haha |
| 12:53.04 | sep | !sarge release notes |
| 12:53.05 | dpkg | well, sarge release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 12:53.26 | Gathond | directhex|work: it is always enabled or what do you mean? |
| 12:53.40 | Exit83 | another kernel question: i D/L kernel-image-2.6.8-386 and using it now, how can i see what the standard options in it are so i can use it to recompile my faulty one |
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| 12:53.49 | directhex|work | Gathond, if memory serves, all x86 kernels in sarge are set to a 4gb limit |
| 12:53.51 | Gathond | mwe: then you might just need to install and boot a kernel from sarge |
| 12:53.59 | sep | Exit83: the config is in /boot and if it's 2.6 also in proc i belive |
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| 12:54.02 | directhex|work | Exit83, look in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 12:54.02 | HSMChan | how do i create a new user or edit existing user on the command line? |
| 12:54.10 | Exit83 | thx |
| 12:54.11 | wishie | eww, highmem |
| 12:54.16 | Gathond | directhex|work: apparently mwe's does not though |
| 12:54.22 | directhex|work | HSMChan, adduser foobar |
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| 12:54.32 | wigwam | is it wise to include deb-security when I have sarge now? Is it the same old Url (security.debian.org->stable) or does this contain woody-packages? |
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| 12:54.43 | HSMChan | do i just type adduser |
| 12:55.03 | sep | wigwam: use sarge instead of stable then your certain |
| 12:55.06 | directhex|work | HSMChan, adduser usernameyouwanttobloodywelladd |
| 12:55.07 | tirkal | nkuttler: is there a way to get all of apt-get's output written in a file? |
| 12:55.15 | Exit83 | sep or directhex|work so is /boot/config the options of the kernel currently running?? |
| 12:55.22 | directhex|work | wigwam, stable == sarge. |
| 12:55.32 | wigwam | thanx |
| 12:55.33 | zumbi_ | HSMChan man adduser useradd |
| 12:55.35 | sep | HSMChan: dont type blindly anything you see on irc, use man adduser to know what your about to do |
| 12:55.36 | directhex|work | Exit83, no, /boot/config-$(uname -r) is |
| 12:55.46 | wishie | hmm, does the install kernel have /proc/config.gz enabled ? |
| 12:56.03 | nkuttler | tirkal: dpkg --configure --pending to configure unconfigured packages |
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| 12:56.07 | mwe | I'm compiling a new kernel myself atm |
| 12:56.08 | HSMChan | ok |
| 12:56.24 | tirkal | nkuttler: ok, trying it now |
| 12:56.33 | mops | and how can I install ONLY stable pkgs, and when I have unstable pkgs installed - then uninstall them and install the stable versions? |
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| 12:56.45 | Exit83 | directhex|work thx a lot |
| 12:56.48 | directhex|work | sarge kernel -> CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
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| 12:57.58 | tirkal | nkuttler: Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 12:58.20 | tirkal | I guess I'm in the Debian equivalent of RPM-hell :-S |
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| 12:58.46 | tirkal | many dependency problems get listed... |
| 12:58.54 | nkuttler | tirkal: what did you try to do anyway? woody->sarge? |
| 12:59.16 | tralala | tirkal: isn't apt-get -f install helping? |
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| 12:59.37 | tirkal | nkuttler: I think the problem is that I toyed too much with apt-get (un/installing packages) |
| 12:59.52 | tirkal | tralala: same error |
| 13:00.02 | MrScotty | try: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:00.18 | Exit83 | i cant seem to do the commane make menuconfig anymore |
| 13:00.20 | directhex|work | the problem is the use of apt-get. aptitude! |
| 13:00.28 | tirkal | eventually someone will say try rm -Rf / ;) |
| 13:00.32 | nkuttler | Exit83: why not? |
| 13:00.36 | Morti | Hey, did you guys know Sarge has been released? |
| 13:00.45 | theD3viL | directhex|work: why aptitude? |
| 13:00.46 | Exit83 | because is wasnt root :$ |
| 13:00.48 | nkuttler | Morti: /topic |
| 13:00.54 | Morti | nkuttler: I know, I was joking. |
| 13:00.57 | Exit83 | lol |
| 13:01.01 | Morti | But I couldn't decide on a smiley to convey that and yet said it anyway. |
| 13:01.04 | nkuttler | heh ;-) |
| 13:01.07 | Morti | ;) |
| 13:01.25 | directhex|work | theD3viL, read the release notes. |
| 13:01.29 | tirkal | MrScotty: ok, that downloads a bunch of stuff |
| 13:01.35 | Dr_O | !tell mops about downgrade |
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| 13:02.44 | mops | dr_o: thank you a lot! |
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| 13:03.03 | Morti | So anyway, anyone know much about how runlevels work? i.e. could I run boot script that decides whether or not it's necessary to switch to runlevel 3 and execute further scripts accordingly? |
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| 13:03.53 | jm_ | mort_: have you read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz? |
| 13:04.01 | jm_ | Morti ^^^^^^ |
| 13:04.14 | Exit83 | im using kernel 2.6.8 sources, everytime i compile it again, it comes in /boot as kernel-2.6.8. Is there a way to give it another name? |
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| 13:04.29 | Morti | jm_: Not yet, I'll give it a peruse. Cheers. |
| 13:04.30 | nkuttler | Exit83: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 13:04.42 | nkuttler | Exit83: or edit the makefile... |
| 13:05.11 | Exit83 | nkuttler: going to read the readme first |
| 13:05.37 | nkuttler | Exit83: you really want to /msg dpkg kp |
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| 13:05.47 | Dr_O | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:06.19 | timt | how do I change the refresh rate of my monitor?? |
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| 13:07.06 | Exit83 | oh well i don thave /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 13:07.17 | Exit83 | :d |
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| 13:07.39 | Dr_O | Exit83: then aptitude install kernel-package |
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| 13:08.28 | jinfo | this is elementary to you i am confused. i have installed mysql-server. can't find a menu entry for it in kde. when i type 'mysql' no database gui occurs. next i type 'help', a list of commands appears, none of which looks like it is for database. how to start mysql for database functions? |
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| 13:08.46 | jm_ | jinfo: you should read mysql docs |
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| 13:09.21 | sep | jinfo: you serisouly imagine a database to have a gui ? |
| 13:09.21 | jinfo | jm_, since i am already online, does it take a lot to tell me how to start it right? |
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| 13:09.40 | wigwam | jinfo: mysql-server is the server-part of mysql only. Maybe you want mysql-client or a graphical UI. |
| 13:09.42 | kyu | Why does xfonts-artwiz show up in xfontsel but not in windowmaker? It seems to work with aterm -fn snap and etc, does this have anything to do with defoma? |
| 13:09.49 | sep | jinfo: it's proably running already |
| 13:09.50 | jm_ | jinfo: it's started using init scripts, just like other daemons |
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| 13:10.04 | kyu | dfontmgr doesn't see them, and it doesn't appear to know about windowmaker either |
| 13:10.08 | medude | jinfo: mysqld |
| 13:10.32 | jinfo | is that it, mysqld? |
| 13:10.38 | medude | jinfo: try /etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 13:10.53 | kyu | How can i remove defoma? Is there a way to change the defoma option i selected at install? |
| 13:11.07 | kyu | apt-get remove defoma wants to take everything off, pretty much :/ |
| 13:11.38 | jinfo | melude, isn't it the same as starting it in the console with the command 'mysql'? |
| 13:11.46 | sep | kyu: dpkg-reconfigure -plow deforma |
| 13:11.48 | MrScotty | kyu, try dpkg-reconfigure defoma |
| 13:11.55 | kyu | cheers |
| 13:12.09 | sep | jinfo: mysql is a client you need mysql-client for that |
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| 13:12.31 | kyu | Do i need to restart x? :) |
| 13:12.46 | jinfo | sep, your suggestion makes sense, thks. |
| 13:12.57 | tirkal | how do I get "apt-get upgrade" output to be written to a file? |
| 13:13.09 | Dr_O | !release notes |
| 13:13.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
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| 13:13.23 | sep | tirkal: _READ_ _THE_ _RELEASE_ _NOTES_ its explained there everything |
| 13:13.54 | Dr_O | tirkal: the release notes say to use the "scipt" or "typescript" program... I cant remember exactly. You can look it up! |
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| 13:14.11 | tirkal | sep, Dr_O: thanks |
| 13:14.14 | jinfo | apt-get said mysql-client is already installed. how do i start it? |
| 13:14.28 | tirkal | mysql |
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| 13:14.50 | jinfo | tirkal, no, won't do, as i said earlier on. |
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| 13:15.11 | tirkal | jinfo: strange. I'm on Debian too, and it wfm |
| 13:15.11 | sep | jinfo: what error dos it give |
| 13:15.13 | xtension | jnifo start the server for gods sake man |
| 13:15.48 | jinfo | sep, no error, but a mysql> prompt. |
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| 13:15.56 | tdonahue | xtension, I think he is looking for a screen like the Enterprise manager? Is that jinfo? |
| 13:16.00 | sep | jinfo: that _IS_ the mysql client silly !! |
| 13:16.01 | Dr_O | jnifo: you have read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mysql-*/ ? |
| 13:16.01 | tirkal | haha, well, excellent! |
| 13:16.02 | medude | try mysqld then mysql |
| 13:16.07 | xtension | jinfo type quit |
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| 13:16.47 | jinfo | how do i start to create a mysql database? |
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| 13:17.02 | jm_ | jinfo: read MySQL docs |
| 13:17.08 | tdonahue | jinfo, create database <dbname> |
| 13:17.09 | sep | jinfo : first of all stary by reading the docs |
| 13:17.20 | kyu- | Ok, so dpkg-reconfigure didn't do the trick, i want to remove defoma for good, it's starting to really get on my nerves. heh. Surely there's a way to undo the "use defoma for font management" option i chose? |
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| 13:17.46 | auer | can someone please help me with a hard-drive? |
| 13:17.50 | jm_ | kyu-: maybe you have to tell debconf to ask you old questions |
| 13:17.51 | j_k | kyu-: dpkg-reconfigure defoma, maybe. |
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| 13:17.59 | LordWolF | Sup all |
| 13:18.09 | jinfo | come on, we have been thro this earlier. it is just a command, isn't it. can't anyone just tell me? |
| 13:18.15 | kyu- | j_k: I tried that :/ |
| 13:18.18 | wigwam | auer: www.axes.com, www.chainsaws.com ... |
| 13:18.21 | kyu- | jm: Hmmmm, how do i do that? heh |
| 13:18.23 | tdonahue | jinfo, you might want to either read the MySQL documentation and learn how to do it on the console, or use something like phpMyAdmin, MySQL Administrator, or MySQL Query Browser |
| 13:18.28 | auer | wigwam: thanks :) |
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| 13:18.43 | sep | kyu-: maybe you find something useful inthe deforma-doc package ? |
| 13:18.46 | tirkal | jinfo: try #mysql |
| 13:18.50 | j_k | kyu-: ah, then grep for it in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.templates ? |
| 13:18.51 | silverton | so, I installed Etch, and menus don't update automatically any more. Is there a package I need? |
| 13:18.54 | tdonahue | jinfo, those are all good gui tools |
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| 13:19.04 | xtension | tdonahue i think he s looking for a application he can talk to do what he want s to do |
| 13:19.06 | tirkal | jinfo: your questions are just offtopic here, that's all |
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| 13:19.32 | auer | But I need to format the hard-drive and I need to mount it. Can anybody please help me? |
| 13:19.35 | jinfo | it is not offtopic, i am trying to make a debian package work. |
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| 13:19.42 | jinfo | and this is about debian. |
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| 13:19.48 | j_k | kyu-: that's libpango1.0-common. |
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| 13:19.50 | Dr_O | kyu-: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow libpango1.0-common |
| 13:19.54 | jm_ | kyu-: dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf? |
| 13:20.03 | wigwam | auer: You don't format your harddrive. You create a filesystem on it. We're not at #windows here ;) |
| 13:20.03 | kyu- | j_k: I just wanna remove it without having to a) delete everything (and reinstalling everything after doing a remove defoma just installs it again anyway) and b) reinstall my entire system and not chosing that opt :/ |
| 13:20.04 | sep | jinfo: the server is running the debian package works |
| 13:20.09 | kyu- | I'll try that, hangon :) |
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| 13:20.36 | auer | wigwam: ehm.. but.. I need to erase whats on it? right? |
| 13:20.43 | kyu- | wooy,worked :) |
| 13:20.44 | jinfo | isn't there a gui like for Access? |
| 13:20.46 | mwe | now I've installed a highmem enabled kernel and free reports my 1GB ram as 1009MB :\ |
| 13:20.51 | jinfo | or oracle? |
| 13:20.52 | kyu- | Well, it stopped defoma anyway |
| 13:20.53 | wigwam | auer: no - why? Do you want to sell or secure it? |
| 13:20.54 | kyu- | :)) |
| 13:20.56 | kyu- | thanks! |
| 13:20.59 | mwe | I don't get it |
| 13:21.01 | silverton | mwe, that's probably normal |
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| 13:21.07 | caphuso | mwe: the rest is reserved for the kernel |
| 13:21.07 | silverton | 1GB is RAM is 1024MB |
| 13:21.14 | tdonahue | jinfo, No there is no Access-like application included in MySQL by default |
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| 13:21.23 | sep | jinfo: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/create-database.html here is the syntaxc for creating databases |
| 13:21.28 | isam | I am having problem with the openswan in sarge .. |
| 13:21.29 | mwe | caphuso: oh |
| 13:21.30 | caphuso | that stupid bugger always takes some RAM :) |
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| 13:21.33 | jinfo | #mysql1 |
| 13:21.40 | mwe | heh |
| 13:21.43 | sep | jinfo: there are several interfaces, they were suggested to you earlier |
| 13:21.47 | isam | basically neither the kernel patch is working, or the openswan module source is building |
| 13:22.02 | isam | I am getting strange errors.. can anyone here help me out ? |
| 13:22.22 | auer | wigwam: answer on msg :P |
| 13:22.29 | jinfo | sep, i am getting it now. those interfaces are debian packages? |
| 13:22.33 | silverton | isam, don't ask to ask ;P |
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| 13:22.55 | sep | jinfo: i use the phpmyadmin package atlest dont know about the others |
| 13:23.06 | wigwam | auer: no |
| 13:23.26 | auer | wigwam: ok. but can you help me? |
| 13:23.28 | grahamoz | is ndiswrapper included in debian 3.1 ? |
| 13:23.42 | wigwam | i don't know - you didn't ask something. |
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| 13:23.46 | sep | jinfo: and access is not a database it's a grafical dewvelopment enviorment for the microsoft JET database |
| 13:23.49 | isam | when I run /usr/src/modules/openswan# debian/rules binary-modules I get : Makefile:225: /usr/src/linux/Rules.make: No such file or directory |
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| 13:24.12 | mikeX | grahamoz, yes, look at packages.debian.org |
| 13:24.13 | isam | I defined the KVERS and KSRC properly.. and I searched everywhere for the Rules.make and can't find it |
| 13:24.26 | auer | wigwam: What do I have to do before I can use the hdd? |
| 13:24.41 | jinfo | sep, that is what i should be talking about, a gui for mysql. i'll the php... you mentioned. |
| 13:25.01 | wigwam | auer: which hdd? your primary master? |
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| 13:25.18 | auer | I think its a secondary slave |
| 13:25.41 | sep | jinfo: phpmyadmin is a webpage, not anything like access at all |
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| 13:26.06 | sep | jinfo: phpmyadmin requires you to have atlest a basic knowledge about databases |
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| 13:26.22 | jinfo | sep, but it can serve as a gui for mysql? |
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| 13:26.34 | wigwam | auer: you partition it via [cfdisk | fdisk], create your favourite filesystem on each partition [mkfs.ext3 | mkfs.reiserfs] and mount it. |
| 13:26.36 | Ultra5 | morning all. anyone know what i would need to get to get gtk+ 2.0 (or higher)? |
| 13:26.38 | sep | jinfo: not if by gui you mean anything that looks like access |
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| 13:26.48 | Ultra5 | I am trying to build the deer park alpha 1 binaries for sparc64 |
| 13:26.54 | ttick | okay, I'm looking for something like "top" but which shows which processes are accessing which files. I've been led to "lsof". But it doesn't do the slick curses thing like "top" and, well, it's exactly what I'm looking for. I have something cherping my HD at regular intervals and I'd like to figure out what it is. Is there a better tool to use? |
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| 13:27.04 | sep | jinfo: but it can serve as a place where you can create and administer a mysql database |
| 13:27.04 | wigwam | auer: And if you want it to be automatically mounted on every boot, you read man fstab. |
| 13:27.30 | jinfo | sep, that sounds good enough. |
| 13:27.31 | auer | wigwam: mkay. but I am not a specialist. so a little help would be fine :) |
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| 13:28.16 | wigwam | auer: i gave you all help there is. Maybe you want to read a howto? Does anyone have a url on Storagesomething + mount + fdisk + mkfs for linux? |
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| 13:28.32 | kingsley_ | ttick: How about : $ while true ; do sleep 1 ; lsof ; done |
| 13:28.34 | mwe | Ultra5: libgtk2.0-0 |
| 13:28.37 | nick01 | what's 3.1_r0a ? a fix ? or some alpha ? |
| 13:28.47 | jm_ | nick01: a fix |
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| 13:28.50 | nick01 | k |
| 13:28.53 | nick01 | tks |
| 13:28.54 | Belboz99 | hey all |
| 13:28.57 | auer | wigwam: yes please |
| 13:29.03 | vorsprung | ttick, "cherping my hdd" isn't a lot to go on |
| 13:29.12 | nick01 | how many cdsa do I need to install debian with KDE >? |
| 13:29.23 | Belboz99 | any idea why VNC4 hangs my system when I try to use it? |
| 13:29.24 | ttick | kingsley_: yes, there's a continous mode for lsof I could use. Maybe that along with "diff" could be useful. But I was looking for something more like "top" if there was one. |
| 13:29.31 | sep | nick01: a 50 MB netinstall cd, and a internet connection |
| 13:29.40 | Ultra5 | bah not sure why the configure script cant find it. |
| 13:29.43 | nick01 | I meant full cds :) |
| 13:29.43 | vorsprung | ttick, you are hoping that there is a tool like "top" that will let you look at the list of processes or whatever as it goes "cherp" I suppose |
| 13:30.07 | ttick | vorsprung: yes, that's kinda why I wanted the util. "cherping my hd" means making little reads, or writes, every few seconds. I'd like to know what'd doing it. :/ |
| 13:30.17 | ttick | vorsprung: yep |
| 13:30.36 | ttick | vorsprung: that's exactly what I'd want. :) |
| 13:30.58 | wigwam | auer: http://www.linuxforums.org/tutorials/1/tutorial-21907.html |
| 13:30.58 | sep | ttick: ou have checked your logs ofcouse ? if you have something logging a log it must be written to disk |
| 13:31.05 | auer | wigwam: thanks |
| 13:31.11 | ttick | sep: I've turned the heart-beat off. |
| 13:31.15 | wigwam | auer: I don't guarantee on any info there. It just looks like it's good. |
| 13:31.24 | auer | hehe |
| 13:31.25 | kingsley_ | ttick: "cherp" seems pretty brief. I'm inclined to think you'd need to log all disk accesses. |
| 13:31.32 | ttick | sep: but I'll check for other logs, I guess. there are just a lot of them. :/ |
| 13:31.48 | vorsprung | ttick, why does this cherp bother you |
| 13:31.51 | sep | ttick: you can just ls -lh and look at the timestamps |
| 13:32.21 | ttick | sep: well, the cherping might be a read, not a right. :/ |
| 13:32.28 | ttick | sep: err, write |
| 13:32.34 | sep | ttick: yes, but if it's a log it's a write |
| 13:32.40 | ttick | sep: true, lol |
| 13:32.42 | sep | so hence you could see it in ls -lh |
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| 13:33.11 | Belboz99 | hey guys, any idea why vnc4server only shows the terminal? |
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| 13:33.34 | ttick | sep: well, it's not a log in var logs. :( |
| 13:33.47 | vorsprung | ttick, possible culprits are 1) the hdd hardware is flushing it's buffers and turning the light on- unlikley except for some deranged laptops 2) you are using too much ram and swapping 3) a log file 4) something wrong/set up wrong in the kernel |
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| 13:33.54 | gahan | does any pop3 daemon supports 2 mail files per one user? |
| 13:34.07 | grahamoz | when will kde 3.4.1 be out for debian 3.1 ? |
| 13:34.14 | sep | ttick: you havent turned on logging of your irc client ? :)) |
| 13:34.15 | caphuso | grahamoz: never |
| 13:34.18 | vorsprung | ttick, did you check all the sub directories in /var/log |
| 13:34.25 | grahamoz | sure sure |
| 13:34.27 | mwilson | grahamoz: It never will be, of course. |
| 13:34.37 | theD3viL | How to play wma files in xmms ? |
| 13:34.37 | brunocesar | hello, how can i completelly remove the x window system? |
| 13:34.57 | ttick | sep: hmm, no, I don't believe I have (though I'm new to irc and this ap, so I could have done it by accident, I guess) But it doesn't cherp as the irc text flys by. |
| 13:35.09 | sep | ttick: you could use netstat or tcpdump to see if there is any network traffic that genereates that cherp |
| 13:35.12 | ttick | vorsprung: checking the subs now. |
| 13:35.30 | caphuso | brunocesar: purge the xfree86-common package |
| 13:35.43 | brunocesar | thanks caphuso |
| 13:35.43 | sep | ttick: it only writes to disk when it syncs, not imidiatly |
| 13:35.53 | Belboz99 | mwilson, why won't KDE 3.4 be available for Debian? |
| 13:36.06 | Belboz99 | I was curious of this myself last nigth |
| 13:36.11 | ttick | well, I know it's not fetchmail, at least. Cause I know what that cherp sounds like and the timing of it. |
| 13:36.20 | paster | "raf256" at 193.25.0.24 pasted "prelink doesnt work" (169 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/198 |
| 13:36.24 | mwilson | Belboz99: Who said it won't be? |
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| 13:36.45 | mwilson | Belboz99: Not that there's any reason to care one way or the other, of course, but why wouldn't it be? |
| 13:37.01 | Belboz99 | <mwilson> grahamoz: It never will be, of course. |
| 13:37.16 | Belboz99 | I copied that from above |
| 13:37.20 | jm_ | Belboz99: read the question again |
| 13:37.23 | sep | Belboz99: it wont be for debian 3.1 nobody said anything about 3.2 or 4.0 |
| 13:37.32 | Belboz99 | ah |
| 13:37.32 | vorsprung | ttick, find . -ctime -1 -print|xargs ls -lart |
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| 13:37.34 | Belboz99 | ok |
| 13:37.48 | vorsprung | ttick, sorry I mean find /var/log -ctime -1 -print|xargs ls -lart |
| 13:37.55 | mwilson | Belboz99: Yes, I did say that, in response to a cluebie asking when unstable software would be added to a stable release. A stable release does not change... unless you know a way to magically re-write CD's after they're created. |
| 13:38.27 | Belboz99 | well, I suppose he was asking about 3.4.1 |
| 13:38.37 | vorsprung | acutally this is better find /var/log -type f -ctime -1 -print|xargs ls -lart |
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| 13:38.44 | ttick | vorsprung: hmm, seems not to be a log file :/ |
| 13:38.51 | ttick | vorsprung: thanks for the command suggestion. |
| 13:39.01 | thomas_adam | Well, you'd have to shoot the FTPmasters, first... :P |
| 13:39.13 | mwilson | Belboz99: What difference does it make which version of KDE he was asking about? Stable is *released*. It does not change. |
| 13:39.33 | raf256 | any idea why my prelink doesnt work? And even simple hello world program seems to be depedant on things like openoffice - wtf O_o ? (http://channels.debian.net/paste/198) |
| 13:40.29 | snadge | slightly ot.. is it illegal for me to use packages from marillat in australia? |
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| 13:40.31 | ttick | vorsprung: hmm, so no "top" like command for monitoring disk access, eh? :( Okay, I'll just go back to lsof, I guess. *grumble* |
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| 13:40.56 | kingsley_ | ttick: You might be interested in configuring top to report pauge fault counts or dirty page counts. This is done by 1.) running top 2.) pressing capital "O" and 3.) pressing "u" or "v". |
| 13:41.02 | Noid | why 3.1? why not 4.0? or 3.1415? i demand a change! (random trolling of the day) |
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| 13:41.22 | sep | Noid: KISS |
| 13:41.40 | ttick | kingsley_: okay, I'll try that. |
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| 13:41.47 | Noid | sep: hehehe i was j/k |
| 13:41.57 | Karnaugh | KISS? |
| 13:42.01 | sep | me too |
| 13:42.07 | sep | Karnaugh: /msg dpkg kiss |
| 13:42.15 | ttick | kingsley_: I have 2500k free, though. But I guess it might be swap anyway. |
| 13:42.18 | raf256 | anyone? no idea? |
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| 13:42.47 | XTF | Where can one find how CAN-2004-1235 has been dealt with for Woody? |
| 13:42.47 | revenger | right kiss: http://tinyurl.com/3ncl4 :) |
| 13:43.10 | Karnaugh | well I mean, one would assume that Sarge is a major release, so one would assume it would be 4.0 |
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| 13:43.54 | caphuso | Karnaugh: it's a release like any other |
| 13:43.59 | darkskiez | Karnaugh, yeh, but everyone forgot to up the version number. |
| 13:44.06 | snadge | the marillat website does not seem to mention the legality of using the packages contained in that archive.. my assumption is that debian does not include these packages as standard, for these reasons.. are the reasons documented somewhere? |
| 13:44.06 | Karnaugh | but i mean, this is just semantics |
| 13:44.43 | Karnaugh | darkskiez: what was potato's version? and Ham? |
| 13:44.58 | bob2 | w32codecs is illegal for anyone to distribute (including MS and Real and Apple) |
| 13:45.03 | darkskiez | Mmmm potato |
| 13:45.06 | XTF | There were 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2. |
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| 13:45.08 | sep | Karnaugh: /msg dpkg codenames |
| 13:45.10 | bob2 | mplayer is written by dumbasses, but probably only violates patents |
| 13:45.16 | bob2 | and could have that removed |
| 13:45.42 | bob2 | everything else is basically violating patents (mp3 and mpeg-4, mostly) or illegal to distirbute, like acrobat |
| 13:45.46 | Karnaugh | ok well it makes sense i guess looking at the previous release version trends |
| 13:45.59 | Karnaugh | now the question is |
| 13:46.06 | Karnaugh | when will Etch be released? :P |
| 13:46.14 | XTF | When it's ready. :) |
| 13:46.14 | sw | hello all. I have a sony vaio laptop. I can't install debian because of the installer doesn't recognize my sata disk. I don't have any ide drive to install it and move then. Is there any other way to get debian? |
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| 13:46.28 | anhi | Karnaugh: etsch wont be released, hurd will take over :/ |
| 13:46.28 | emRick | is there any way to predict (or assign) /dev/ttyUSB# when I have several devices hooked up to USB (especially between rebooting the OS)? |
| 13:46.39 | resiak | emRick: udev |
| 13:46.42 | jdhutchin1 | sw, you can install from a knoppix disk |
| 13:46.43 | bob2 | emRick: no |
| 13:46.58 | bob2 | sw: this is when booting the 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:47.07 | sw | bob2 yest |
| 13:47.08 | bob2 | sw: you can't get your bios to pretend they are pata? |
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| 13:47.27 | snadge | bob2: my understanding was that mplayer only violated patents, hence was distributable in europe (where software patents are not enforced).. how does this explain marillat distributing the w32codecs package? (which i would assume is blatant copyright infringement) |
| 13:47.33 | resiak | emRick: You can make udev assign (say) /dev/badger to a device with a certain identifier, for example. |
| 13:47.33 | sw | bob2, i tried but there is no such option |
| 13:47.36 | kingsley_ | ttick: Any luck? |
| 13:47.42 | bob2 | snadge: mp3 is not a software patent |
| 13:47.52 | emRick | resiak: ah, that sounds just perfect |
| 13:48.03 | bob2 | snadge: mplayer had copyright problems because the authors didn't comply with the license of software they incorporated in it |
| 13:48.08 | resiak | emRick: Beware: udev causes cancer. |
| 13:48.10 | bob2 | snadge: I think the copyright issues have been fixed |
| 13:48.27 | snadge | bob2: libmad decodes mp3 audio, and is included with debian |
| 13:48.31 | sw | jdhutchin1, from knoppix? |
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| 13:48.38 | bob2 | snadge: yes, that is a problem |
| 13:48.58 | emRick | resiak: is that humor? or can udev cause problems with my system? |
| 13:49.02 | bob2 | snadge: fraunhoffer is way way more aggressive about enforcing it on encoders than decoders, tho |
| 13:49.03 | abrotman | dpkg: why do i work for morons? |
| 13:49.14 | fwiw39 | hi - QUESTION - i want a no hassles OS that is stable for my work, but is also fun to use. should i use DEBIAN or FREEBSD? |
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| 13:49.21 | jdhutchin1 | sw, yes, there's a section of the debian install manual that describes installing from a pre-existing unix installation |
| 13:49.34 | jdhutchin1 | sw, you basically follow those instructions except with knoppix |
| 13:49.37 | abrotman | fwiw39: you're in #debian .. what do you think we will say :) |
| 13:49.48 | resiak | emRick: It's known to bugger stuff up, but I've had few (if any) problems with it. |
| 13:49.51 | fwiw39 | abrotman - i thought maybe there are some double users |
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| 13:50.08 | emRick | resiak: nice, there's a Wikipedia entry for udev |
| 13:50.12 | snadge | bob2: i see.. so that makes the marillat package of "lame" also illegal in every country? or just the united states |
| 13:50.17 | abrotman | fwiw39: i have used both .. i do prefer debian .. but i'm not real proficient at fbsd .. so there's a little bias |
| 13:50.23 | sw | jdhutchin1, I'll try then. :) |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | fwiw39: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 13:50.35 | bob2 | snadge: I don't know |
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| 13:50.55 | bob2 | snadge: and it's not illegal, per se, it just requires permission from the patent holder to use and distribute |
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| 13:51.58 | resiak | emRick: Oh? Anyway, good luck pissing around with the misleadingly-named "udev.rules". :-) |
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| 13:52.13 | Subvertir | resiak++ |
| 13:52.22 | emRick | Wikipedia highlights why I want udev: This consistent naming of devices guarantees that [[Scripting programming language|script]]s dependent on a specific device's existence will not be broken. |
| 13:52.24 | resiak | Subvertir: I stole it from directhex. |
| 13:52.31 | snadge | bob2: it only concerns me at the moment.. because i almost unconciously use all these programs from marillat, without thinking about it.. was pondering if that essentialy made me a criminal |
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| 13:52.55 | sep | snadge: with todays laws everyone is a criminal |
| 13:53.04 | emRick | Wikipedia even gave me the URL for the rules: [http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html Discussion of udev rules] |
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| 13:53.51 | berzerka | is there a tool with which i can monitor/log the bandwith usage in my nat environment? |
| 13:53.55 | resiak | emRick: However, it eats babies. You may well find yourself having to add stuff to /etc/modules . As I understand it, with a static /dev modules get loaded when you use devices that need them. However, since under udev the devices don't exist in the first place... |
| 13:54.41 | caphuso | resiak: you understand wrong |
| 13:55.00 | resiak | caphuso: Oh well. Where should I read up for more accurate information? |
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| 13:55.25 | ercin | can mails in spool directory automaticly delivered to users maildir? |
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| 13:55.46 | abrotman | you can set your MTA to deliver to the maildir |
| 13:55.47 | bob2 | configure your MDA to do that |
| 13:55.50 | solitarius | info adrian |
| 13:55.50 | kyu- | Ok, can anyone think of a reason why xfontsel and aterm can find certain fonts and why wmaker and fluxbox etc can't? |
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| 13:55.59 | bender-RW- | if i want to rebuild my mysql-server-4.1 with openssl using dpkg-buildpackage, do i have to edit debian/rules ? |
| 13:56.05 | caphuso | resiak: there isn't really much to understand... modules get loaded when they get loaded. if you use a static /dev or a dynamic one with udev doesn't change anything |
| 13:56.06 | snadge | i've always thought the whole /dev debate to be rather pointless.. surely linux has greater things to worry about than whether devices are stored as static files on a filesystem, or as dynamically generated as they're needed.. *shrug* |
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| 13:56.29 | Noid | caphuso: is there any real advantage to using udev? |
| 13:56.40 | caphuso | snadge: it's not linux that has to worry |
| 13:56.44 | caphuso | Noid: yes |
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| 13:57.02 | resiak | caphuso: So why is it that adding stuff to /etc/modules is often necessary after switching to udev? |
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| 13:57.04 | kyu- | Guess not :( |
| 13:57.07 | Subvertir | Noid, ls /dev can tell you the actual devices installed on your system |
| 13:57.20 | Subvertir | other than that, no |
| 13:57.21 | sep | berzerka: you can run ipfm to log bandwith usage over time (like accounting), or iptraf /ntop to just look at it when you want to |
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| 13:57.26 | Noid | Subvertir: and apart from that? |
| 13:57.27 | bob2 | bender-RW-: if it's a configure option, yes |
| 13:57.29 | Noid | Subvertir: ah ok |
| 13:57.32 | caphuso | Subvertir: that's not an advantage. that's a stupid excuse made up by devfs people |
| 13:57.41 | berzerka | sep, thanks! |
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| 13:57.46 | snadge | hmm.. perhaps it helps with installation media, not having to have a packed /dev with every device the base kernel supports would save space? |
| 13:57.52 | caphuso | no |
| 13:57.55 | Noid | caphuso: so the real advantages are... |
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| 13:58.05 | caphuso | hell, go read the udev docs. it's explained |
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| 13:58.13 | Subvertir | caphuso, what is that an excuse for? |
| 13:58.25 | bender-RW- | bob2: it is |
| 13:58.32 | caphuso | Subvertir: breaking the kernel in spectacular ways |
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| 13:58.38 | Subvertir | ahh |
| 13:58.41 | kneet | Noid - well - with two USB multicard readers and two USB keyrings I use udev to allow me to know what dev each has turned up on - otherwise I'd have to watch the logs and sudo mount (although there may be other ways) |
| 13:58.56 | caphuso | kneet: none that would scale enough |
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| 13:59.17 | vorsprung | ttick, apt-cache search disk|grep act |
| 13:59.25 | kneet | caphuso, I know that some people here really dislike udev - but it works4me - so I go with it :) |
| 13:59.28 | vorsprung | ttick, first thing in list is called "atop" |
| 13:59.37 | caphuso | and when, maybe in 2.7 development, linux will switch to dynamically allocated major/minor numbers, udev will get even more important |
| 13:59.39 | bender-RW- | bob2: do i have to edit the changelog, too? |
| 13:59.54 | caphuso | kneet: 99% of the people not liking udev haven't bothered to understand it |
| 13:59.56 | bob2 | bender-RW-: it would be good to add a new entry so apt won't try to get rid of it so quickly |
| 14:00.18 | Subvertir | I don't hotplug devices or any shit like that |
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| 14:00.23 | kneet | caphuso, although - oddly - I did need to add to /etc/modules after installing :) Still - it's working now |
| 14:00.30 | Subvertir | my *nix usage habits haven't changed any at all, really, in the past 7 years |
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| 14:00.36 | Noid | kneet: i see |
| 14:00.38 | Subvertir | learning udev is a waste of time to me |
| 14:00.47 | caphuso | kneet: needed to add whart? |
| 14:00.49 | bender-RW- | bob2: ok, thanks a lot |
| 14:00.52 | caphuso | s/art/at/ |
| 14:01.01 | bob2 | what's there to learn? |
| 14:01.03 | bob2 | install it, enjoy. |
| 14:01.09 | kneet | caphuso - ppa, ide-cd |
| 14:01.17 | directhex|work | udev is better than it was |
| 14:01.21 | kneet | caphuso, Oh - and visor |
| 14:01.23 | Noid | caphuso: is not that i'm against udev, it's that after reading the faq i can't seem to find practical advantages of udev *for me* |
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| 14:01.40 | caphuso | Noid: well, then you don't need it |
| 14:01.43 | WhiteRabbit | less devices needed |
| 14:01.47 | Noid | caphuso: but maybe i'm wrong |
| 14:01.53 | skaag | generally speaking, will staying with unstable be more secure for a box i have on the internet? |
| 14:01.54 | caphuso | (yet) |
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| 14:02.07 | Subvertir | skaag, it's a double-edged sword |
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| 14:02.11 | bob2 | skaag: compared to stable? no. |
| 14:02.19 | tezza | is there anyway to change the resolution of the console in debian? |
| 14:02.22 | skaag | Subvertir: in the sense that it could introduce new vulnerabilities..? |
| 14:02.23 | caphuso | kneet: and how did you load the modules before switching to udev? |
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| 14:02.29 | directhex|work | tezza, not post-boot. pre-boot, yes. |
| 14:02.37 | bob2 | tezza: yes, but it's fiddly. wy not just run X? |
| 14:02.40 | skaag | bob2: so I should keep stable, then, and rely on the security patches? |
| 14:02.44 | Subvertir | skaag, your packages will be so bleeding edge that it's slightly less likely there will be new vulnerabilities (compared to stable) but there are no security patches |
| 14:02.46 | kneet | caphuso - I have no idea - the magic black box seemed to work :) |
| 14:02.50 | bob2 | skaag: depends what you want |
| 14:02.58 | skaag | I want stability and security |
| 14:03.01 | tezza | bob2: no mouse... i can't get X running without a core pointer and i am not sure if there is a way around it |
| 14:03.02 | skaag | so I guess stable it is |
| 14:03.03 | bob2 | skaag: lots of people run unstable on their desktops just fine |
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| 14:03.06 | directhex|work | tezza, i had a nice 1600x1200x16 text console before. |
| 14:03.08 | bob2 | tezza: sure there is |
| 14:03.10 | skaag | yes on my desktop I run unstable |
| 14:03.17 | skaag | but this is a box on the net, i can't make mistakes |
| 14:03.20 | bob2 | skaag: oh, this was a server? |
| 14:03.23 | bob2 | skaag: stable then |
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| 14:03.28 | skaag | yes, it's on stable right now, was just wondering |
| 14:03.31 | Noid | tezza: try ratpoison for example |
| 14:03.36 | kneet | caphuso, In other words - the /dev/bla was there and talking to it worked. With udev - the /dev/bla wasn't there and so adding to modules caused it to turn up |
| 14:03.42 | skaag | another thing I was wondering about is the link to the security patches |
| 14:03.52 | tezza | Noid: ratpoison ? |
| 14:04.00 | tezza | bob2: how would i go about it? |
| 14:04.19 | Noid | tezza: yes, window manager without mouse |
| 14:04.20 | bob2 | tezza: remove the pointer block from XF86Confg-4 |
| 14:04.28 | caphuso | kneet: something must have been loading the module |
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| 14:04.35 | tezza | bob2: i have and it errors with no core pointer defined |
| 14:04.43 | bob2 | wow |
| 14:04.43 | bob2 | ok |
| 14:05.07 | caphuso | kneet: otherwise you had a /dev/blah but would get a "no such device" error when accessing it |
| 14:05.11 | kneet | caphuso, yes - but I'm afraid that I have no idea what. We're talking a long time back too - I've learned a fair bit about kernels and modules since then. Now I just leave it as it is since it works |
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| 14:05.17 | noshadow | Serial connected Microsoft Mouse lets the X-server still start when no mouse is attached when I remember correctly. |
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| 14:05.33 | bob2 | ahh |
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| 14:05.48 | raydoo | hello |
| 14:05.52 | noshadow | s/when/if/ |
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| 14:06.30 | raydoo | anyone uses cyrus imapd ? |
| 14:06.39 | tezza | noshadow, what device does that use? |
| 14:06.49 | eye69 | raydoo: Yes, but not from Debian packages. |
| 14:07.01 | noshadow | tezza: /dev/ttyS0 and co |
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| 14:07.46 | pix_ | is it possible to remove a module using cvs ? |
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| 14:07.56 | fwiw39 | hello - QUeSTION - isn't it just a matter of time for more linux viruses/worms to appear int he wild? |
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| 14:08.06 | raydoo | eye well thats my prob ^^ what version ? |
| 14:08.21 | tezza | hmms, still says EE no core pointer defined and no screens found as well |
| 14:08.28 | caphuso | fwiw39: people keep on saying that for years now. it never happened |
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| 14:08.32 | eye69 | raydoo: 2.2 |
| 14:08.35 | tezza | Fatal Server Error: no screens found |
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| 14:09.21 | noshadow | tezza: type is microsoft and device exists? |
| 14:09.29 | citral | 2.6.11 is totally b0rked |
| 14:09.36 | citral | fuck it |
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| 14:10.14 | vorsprung | if you need to bold every other letter, then you need special macros in your wordprocessor |
| 14:10.27 | tezza | is it "Option" "Protocol" "Microsoft" ? |
| 14:10.34 | tezza | or do i add a new "Type" directive? |
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| 14:11.06 | noshadow | tezza: Protocol should suffice. |
| 14:11.07 | fwiw39 | hello - QUESTION - how do i prevent myself from becoming a LINUX SLUT, sleeping with a different distros every week? |
| 14:11.15 | greycat | fwiw39: install sarge. |
| 14:11.30 | pngwn | greycat++ |
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| 14:11.54 | greycat | Is it possible to use a sarge netinstall CD to alter the LILO settings on a computer that no longer has Linux -- just Win XP and a LILO boot loader on the primary disk's MBR? |
| 14:11.56 | xtension | !good news |
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| 14:12.04 | citral | bah since 2.6 came out every minor is a lottery anyway |
| 14:12.14 | citral | this .11 is really weird |
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| 14:12.32 | tezza | doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 write a new XF86Config-4 file? |
| 14:12.47 | greycat | It seems that Microsoft has neglected to include any means of restoring their own fucking boot loader within their own operating system. |
| 14:12.47 | xtension | i just excluded m$ from a little part of the web , hiha, another linux site is coming online soon ! |
| 14:12.53 | Noid | tezza: no if you've changed it manually, iirc |
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| 14:13.07 | tezza | Noid, i backed it up to a different name though... |
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| 14:13.08 | thoron | Can I give parameters such as irq=5 to module in /etc/modules file? |
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| 14:13.16 | greycat | So I figured if I could just remove the LILO menu prompt and the timeout but leave lilo alone (boots to Windows by default), they'd never notice. |
| 14:13.21 | Noid | greycat: it can be done, but it's tricky as hell |
| 14:13.33 | directhex|work | greycat, boot a windows nt5 cd, go to the recovery console by pressing r when requested, pick a windows installation, type "fixboot" then "fixmbr" |
| 14:13.35 | bob2 | tezza: not if you've fiddled it manually (the top of the file explains it) |
| 14:13.37 | Noid | greycat: i mean the m$ restore of windows boot |
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| 14:13.50 | greycat | directhex|work: all right, I'll just pull an NT CD out of my ass.... |
| 14:13.50 | noshadow | tezza: only sometimes, after being to rabiat it is now to frieghtened... |
| 14:14.00 | greycat | directhex|work: or is that Free Software that I can download? |
| 14:14.04 | tezza | bob2: so even if i have renamed it though? should i just delete it all together? |
| 14:14.08 | Noid | directhex|work: really? and why didn't they include that on xp? |
| 14:14.10 | bob2 | tezza: that won't help |
| 14:14.15 | bob2 | tezza: the top of the file explains what to do |
| 14:14.18 | directhex|work | Noid, they did. |
| 14:14.24 | tezza | ok thanks |
| 14:14.24 | bob2 | deleting configuratrion files in Debian is never the right solution |
| 14:14.28 | wigwam | in sid, the selinux-patches are already in the binary-kernel. Is it planned in near future to patch the most essential user-space-tools (dpkg, ls, ln, ...) with the selinux extensions? Or will I have to use external reporitories for those patched tools? |
| 14:14.30 | Noid | directhex|work: then i went the hard way the time i did it |
| 14:14.32 | directhex|work | greycat, 5.1 or 5.2 (i.e. xp and 2003) will do. |
| 14:14.40 | directhex|work | Noid, wouldn't surprise me |
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| 14:14.44 | bob2 | wigwam: it's under discussion |
| 14:14.45 | greycat | directhex|work: same issue. I have no Windows CDs. |
| 14:14.49 | pix_ | is it possible to remove a module using cvs ? |
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| 14:15.01 | wigwam | bob2: Can I read more about that? Do you have some url for me? |
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| 14:15.06 | bob2 | pix_: #cvs might be a better place to ask |
| 14:15.21 | bob2 | wigwam: I don't know, sorry...maybe in the debian-dpkg list archives (http://lists.debian.org) |
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| 14:15.42 | directhex|work | greycat, do you have a windows 2000/xp/2003 installation tree of any kind anywhere? |
| 14:15.47 | wigwam | bob2: thanks. Maybe I'll subscribe to the debian-dev mailing list... |
| 14:15.49 | Noid | greycat: a live linux cd could help, maybe? |
| 14:16.03 | xtension | yes greycat do you ? |
| 14:16.03 | greycat | directhex|work: no. I have a laptop with WinXP on it and it can boot CDs. But I only have *Linux* CDs. Not Windows CDs. |
| 14:16.16 | xtension | eww |
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| 14:16.40 | greycat | can I overwrite the MBR with grub from the Sarge net install CD and just tell grub to boot straight into Windows? |
| 14:16.52 | tezza | hmmms, i still get the same errors... this is weird |
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| 14:17.14 | greycat | or would I have better luck with a woody install DC? |
| 14:17.16 | bob2 | greycat: I think grub will want a list file somewhere |
| 14:17.16 | greycat | CD* |
| 14:17.16 | Noid | greycat: put in a knoppix, configure lilo to do that, install in the mbr... i don't know if sarge cd can do it |
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| 14:19.11 | tezza | there shouldn't be anything special in the X config if i am using a kvm switch should there? |
| 14:19.15 | tdonahue | damn, translating eip dumps from the screen to some other form sucks... If I configure a serial console would they dump to the console or the screen? |
| 14:19.27 | fwiw39 | hello - question - i have much F.U.D. about using linux. i'm a M$ refugee, but know that i want an OS that doesn't spy on me. however, i am reluctant to embrace linux fully because of all the distros. i have debian installed already but i am using xp right now. should i go ahead with debian or just install freebsd? |
| 14:19.32 | rob__ | hello, can anyone tell me if its possible to make djbdns a publicly accessible DNS, not just for my local domain information? |
| 14:19.37 | bob2 | tezza: no, but bear in mind that will break your computer's ability to detect the screen properly |
| 14:19.42 | bob2 | rob__: sure... |
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| 14:19.59 | directhex|work | fwiw39, you can use whatever you like. |
| 14:20.07 | xpato | has anyone any experience with pci-express and linux? |
| 14:20.08 | rob__ | bob2: ive setup tinydns to serve my domain name info but for the life of me i cant work out how to make dnscache listen to remote hosts |
| 14:20.19 | tezza | bob2: didn't have a problem with freebsd... that's why i'm finding it unusual |
| 14:20.21 | bob2 | rob__: #djbdns or something |
| 14:20.28 | rob__ | bob2: ive tried it.. |
| 14:20.34 | bob2 | rob__: note that it isn't in Debian or any other distro, since it's non-free |
| 14:20.35 | rob__ | bob2: noones there :) |
| 14:20.39 | bob2 | rob__: maybe there's a mailing list or something |
| 14:20.50 | rob__ | bob2: ive tried google |
| 14:20.51 | S4nD3r_ | Hello. Im just a user, and my email count is so flood of spams... Is possible to block those trash??? |
| 14:20.52 | bob2 | tezza: with the kvm in the way? |
| 14:20.56 | rob__ | bob2: ive been searching for hours |
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| 14:21.04 | sphere | S4nD3r_: use a decent mail client like thunderbird |
| 14:21.04 | tdonahue | fwiw39, that is definatly flame bait... I personally prefer Debian over FreeBSD, but it is definatly a matter of personal taste |
| 14:21.06 | bob2 | rob__: you've asked on the mailing list already? |
| 14:21.10 | tezza | bob2, yer |
| 14:21.11 | S4nD3r_ | Im using kmail |
| 14:21.12 | rob__ | bob2: no |
| 14:21.12 | vorsprung | hmm dist-upgrade jammed at "sendmail" |
| 14:21.15 | greycat | ok, woody 3.0r0 CD #1 has /sbin/lilo but no lilo.conf.... looks like I need to write one from scratch. |
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| 14:21.21 | S4nD3r_ | because the calendar |
| 14:21.22 | rvalles | hiiii |
| 14:21.24 | rob__ | bob2: i was hoping to find a djbdns user here |
| 14:21.25 | S4nD3r_ | and another resources |
| 14:21.29 | sphere | rvalles: hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 14:21.29 | greycat | rob__: hahahahahaha |
| 14:21.33 | rvalles | since sarge has been released... |
| 14:21.34 | greycat | rob__: try #djbdns or #qmail |
| 14:21.36 | Noid | fwiw39 is just a troll, ignore it |
| 14:21.37 | greycat | rob__: or #dns |
| 14:21.38 | rob__ | greycat: :( |
| 14:21.41 | rvalles | I got this old server from trash |
| 14:21.45 | bob2 | rob__: I don't think anyone here uses it |
| 14:21.48 | tdonahue | fwiw39, I would recommend trying out both and seeing which you prefer |
| 14:21.49 | rvalles | pentium@90, 96mb of ram |
| 14:21.53 | bob2 | well, no one I've seen |
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| 14:21.55 | emRick | what is the "mount-aes" package about? does this "aes" have something to do with the "Advanced_Encryption_Standard"? |
| 14:21.57 | rvalles | SCSI rack of evil disks |
| 14:21.57 | rob__ | greycat: you use djb stuff, do you have any djbdns experience? |
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| 14:22.03 | bob2 | rob__: you'd have much more luck getting help with bind |
| 14:22.11 | greycat | rob__: not much. ask #djbdns. really. |
| 14:22.16 | bob2 | emRick: it's for mounting encrypted disks, and yes |
| 14:22.17 | rvalles | would debian be apropiate for it? |
| 14:22.22 | rob__ | greycat: its pratically empty and totally idle |
| 14:22.25 | snadge | i've heard the guy who makes djbdns is a wanker :P |
| 14:22.28 | PeTeRB | !tell rvalles about enter |
| 14:22.29 | S4nD3r_ | Thunderbird is similar Evolution/Kmail ??? The more important for me is the schedulle(calendar my appointments) |
| 14:22.51 | S4nD3r_ | sphere, Thunderbird is similar Evolution/Kmail ??? The more important for me is the schedulle(calendar my appointments) |
| 14:22.57 | vorsprung | S4nD3r_, see firebird |
| 14:22.58 | bob2 | S4nD3r_: configure evolution to scan email for spam then |
| 14:23.00 | xinming | anyone here can tell me how to clear the package list which need to install after using `cat pkg_list|dpkg --set-selections` ? |
| 14:23.06 | jdhutchin1 | how does hotplug do pcmcia cards? are pcmcia cards treated like pci devices when they are hotplugged? |
| 14:23.07 | xtension | snadge what do you knw about his software ? |
| 14:23.08 | bender-RW- | rob__: what do you have in /service/dnscache/root/ip/? |
| 14:23.18 | rob__ | bender-RW-: only my local ip |
| 14:23.26 | rvalles | suuuumiiiiiiiimaaaaaaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeen, PeTeRB. I'm on 80columns and lines look longer than usual, that's it |
| 14:23.28 | rob__ | bender-RW-: i want to make it publicly accessible but im not sure what to put there.. |
| 14:23.28 | xinming | I cat a wrong dpkg list file. So I need to clear it, So anyone would help |
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| 14:23.40 | bob2 | rvalles: please? |
| 14:23.47 | bob2 | xinming: it's not easy to undo |
| 14:23.51 | S4nD3r_ | hummm.... Im using firefox as browser, then if I install firebird or thunderbird I will have another software as browser and mail client |
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| 14:23.54 | bender-RW- | rob__: you have to touch files in there, e.g. 192.168.0 if you want to serve for 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 14:24.03 | rvalles | bob2: yeah, I'll try to make longer lines anyways. |
| 14:24.06 | rob__ | bender-RW-: i want to serve the whole internet.. |
| 14:24.11 | rob__ | bender-RW-: what should i put to do that? |
| 14:24.27 | ledet | rob__: you dont want to do that |
| 14:24.35 | xinming | bob2: Well, do you mean I have to reinstall the system? :-S |
| 14:24.37 | bender-RW- | rob__: by server the whole internet you mean no access control at all? |
| 14:24.41 | rob__ | i want a publicly accessable dns server |
| 14:24.44 | rob__ | bender-RW-: correct! |
| 14:24.46 | Noid | S4nD3r_: thunderbird is just a mail client |
| 14:24.51 | bob2 | xinming: well, it doesn't matter too much |
| 14:24.59 | bob2 | xinming: just don't use dselect and youll be fine |
| 14:25.02 | S4nD3r_ | oh... |
| 14:25.18 | ledet | rob__: perhaps you do... but you dont want a public dnscache |
| 14:25.21 | S4nD3r_ | but doesnt have resources like evolution I think Noid |
| 14:25.22 | snadge | xtension, the short version is.. djb thinks the sun shines out of his bum, and all his software is vastly superior to everything else |
| 14:25.22 | bender-RW- | rob__: my guess would be 0.0.0.0, but i'm not sure |
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| 14:25.32 | rob__ | bender-RW-: ive tried that, no luck |
| 14:25.39 | xtension | snadge blablabla |
| 14:25.50 | xinming | bob2: hmm... So I want the way to clear it and cat another one, |
| 14:25.52 | rob__ | ledet: well the problem at the moment is making it public.. |
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| 14:25.56 | rvalles_ | well, the question, rewritten, was something like this... |
| 14:26.00 | ledet | rob__: but why? |
| 14:26.02 | xinming | bob2: they both long. Do you mean I have to install them one by one? |
| 14:26.12 | rvalles_ | I have an old server |
| 14:26.14 | xtension | snadge what makes you so great then ? |
| 14:26.16 | rob__ | ledet: because lots of our clients from all over the place use us as a nameserver |
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| 14:26.20 | rob__ | im migrating from bind to djbdns |
| 14:26.33 | bob2 | xinming: I don't know what you're trying to do |
| 14:26.36 | berzerka | is there a channel on which networking-specific questions are discussed? |
| 14:26.38 | ledet | rob__: put a file called 0 |
| 14:26.39 | bob2 | rvalles: try asking in one sentence |
| 14:26.42 | rvalles_ | which seems to be pentium 90, 96 mbytes of ram, and have a rack with 3 removable HDs which seems to be scsi |
| 14:26.52 | rob__ | ledet: testing.. |
| 14:26.55 | bob2 | berzerka: depends what sort of networking...#lartc on irc.oftc.net is where the network-crack people hang out |
| 14:27.04 | rob__ | ledet: that doesnt appear to work |
| 14:27.32 | greycat | DIEE!!!!! |
| 14:27.34 | greycat | !smite woody |
| 14:27.39 | berzerka | bob2: okay thanx, i guess thats the right place to go.. |
| 14:27.41 | greycat | FUCKING THING FROM HELL. |
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| 14:27.54 | greycat | I do all that typing, run "lilo", and it's just a fucking WARNING. |
| 14:27.55 | bob2 | berzerka: (www.lartc.org is a great website, too) |
| 14:27.59 | greycat | it's not *actually* lilo. |
| 14:28.03 | bob2 | hah |
| 14:28.03 | greycat | it's TEASING ME. |
| 14:28.04 | berzerka | bob2: i know ;) |
| 14:28.04 | rvalles_ | I got this old server which seems to be pentium 90, 96 mbytes of ram, and have a rack with 3 removable HDs which seems to be scsi and was wondering if sarge would be apropiate for it |
| 14:28.08 | Noid | hahaha |
| 14:28.09 | bob2 | greycat: file a bug on the manpage ;p |
| 14:28.18 | greycat | bob2: has nothing to do with the man page. |
| 14:28.21 | bob2 | rvalles: sarge would run fine on that |
| 14:28.29 | greycat | bob2: there is a /sbin/lilo *ON THE WOODY CD* but it is not LILO. |
| 14:28.31 | grahamoz | debian 3.1 is awesome |
| 14:28.32 | rvalles_ | bob2: X, too? |
| 14:28.37 | rob__ | ledet: no more ideas? |
| 14:28.39 | bob2 | greycat: haha |
| 14:28.40 | grahamoz | i just installed it under vmware |
| 14:28.41 | greycat | bob2: it just spits out a "you have to mount your root file system on /target...." message. |
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| 14:28.44 | vorsprung | rvalles_, sarge? yeah why not? it's stable now |
| 14:28.46 | bob2 | rvalles_: with something like fluxbox or so, yeah |
| 14:28.50 | bob2 | rvalles_: gnome and kde will suck |
| 14:28.53 | Noid | greycat: so it's... just a message? bwhahaha |
| 14:28.54 | bob2 | greycat: ahhh |
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| 14:29.03 | snadge | xtension, nothing really .. just trolling :P |
| 14:29.04 | rvalles_ | bob2: I was thinking more in terms of as an X terminal (so server only) |
| 14:29.08 | xinming | bob2: Just to clear the list in system which will be used for apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 14:29.10 | bob2 | rvalles_: right |
| 14:29.11 | lucio | arm iso in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64 ?!? |
| 14:29.18 | greycat | OK, looks like I'll have to download a knoppix image. |
| 14:29.20 | bob2 | xinming: you actually use that command? |
| 14:29.25 | bob2 | lucio: yes, known, will be fixed. |
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| 14:29.31 | Noid | greycat: now that's gekk humor |
| 14:29.37 | Noid | s/gekk/geek/ |
| 14:29.39 | bob2 | lucio: (apparently someone copied the arm cd tree of cdimage.d.o for some reason) |
| 14:29.54 | xinming | bob2: yes. because 2 machines are quite different to me. |
| 14:29.56 | ledet | rob__: i'm reading the docs |
| 14:30.02 | XTF | Is there a way to tell KDE to open apps in maximized windows? I found the window setting but didn't see this option. |
| 14:30.09 | xinming | bob2: and they all have a long list to dselect-upgrade |
| 14:30.13 | WhiteRabbit | ;)~ |
| 14:30.19 | bob2 | XTF: #debian-kde or #kde might know more, if no one here does |
| 14:30.28 | bob2 | xinming: why don't you just apt-get install things? |
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| 14:30.43 | rob__ | ledet: thanks, i've been searching google all day, i've read practically the whole of cr.yp.to, too |
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| 14:31.19 | xinming | bob2: well, So, It's a long list created by dpkg --get-selections. do you mean I have to install them one by one? |
| 14:31.36 | bob2 | xinming: er, no, of course not |
| 14:31.42 | bob2 | xinming: write a one line shell script to do it for you |
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| 14:32.17 | vorsprung | rob__, read the source maybe? |
| 14:32.21 | Nexus | I don't have a host.deny file on my server. Is there a package to install for that or do I just create one? |
| 14:32.29 | rob__ | vorsprung: i dont think i'd learn much |
| 14:32.37 | vorsprung | rob__, ok..just an idea |
| 14:32.44 | bob2 | if nothing else, I'd use bind because I know other people who use it |
| 14:32.53 | tdonahue | XTF, I don't know if you can make them all open maximized, but they should remember the last size they were |
| 14:33.03 | citral | greycat: I remember with lord stuch iso I was able to mount partitions in target/ and do anything I wanted from that |
| 14:33.05 | rob__ | i much prefere djbdns's way of doing things |
| 14:33.20 | greycat | citral: I *have* no partitions to mount. |
| 14:33.29 | greycat | citral: they have already been reabsorbed into the NTFS partition. |
| 14:33.34 | citral | ah |
| 14:33.41 | greycat | All I want is to be able to type "vi lilo.conf" and "lilo". |
| 14:33.53 | rob__ | ledet: i suppose the only option i have is making 1 - 255 files in dnscache/root/ip/ |
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| 14:33.55 | greycat | (I'll even live with "nano-tiny lilo.conf") |
| 14:34.20 | ledet | rob__: that is one possibility |
| 14:34.27 | XTF | tdonahue: At least Konqueror doesn't do that. |
| 14:34.30 | rob__ | ledet: to be honest, i think its the only way to do it.. |
| 14:34.37 | ledet | rob__: before doing that, you could consider taking a look at the source code |
| 14:34.55 | citral | greycat: I'm pretty sure there are dos utils that could do it |
| 14:35.07 | rob__ | ledet: someone mentioned that a while ago, i dont think i'd learn much.. |
| 14:35.11 | greycat | ''wget http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/torrents/KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.torrent'' is taking a HELL of a long time. |
| 14:35.14 | Paganist | How normal is it that famd uses 90% of my cpu ? |
| 14:35.16 | jethro | 09980hihihi |
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| 14:35.45 | fultonucc | I'm a preacher running ubuntu at our local computer cafe, I usually run debian 1.3.1r8 loadlinning out of dos-5 trying to give away old donated computers. First time on chat |
| 14:35.46 | rob__ | ledet: ahh, i just found this http://scoop.opennic.unrated.net/story/2001/7/15/2304/81786 |
| 14:35.47 | rob__ | ledet: :) |
| 14:35.50 | ledet | rob__: try anyway |
| 14:35.58 | Paganist | ...on a 1666Mhz machine.... |
| 14:36.19 | greycat | 1666 -- the number of the sticky beast. |
| 14:36.28 | Stereo | I loaded the via82cxxx module for my RAID card, but I can't see any changes in /dev or /proc/partitions. It is supposed to act as a generic IDE driver. Anyone know where I should look next? I tried googling for via82cxxx and only managed to find lkml posts. AFAICT, the disks are supposed to show up in /dev/hd[e-h] |
| 14:36.40 | grahamoz | damn i love debian 3.1 |
| 14:36.45 | ledet | rob__: well, if thats the way to do it, thats the way to do it :) |
| 14:36.48 | Paganist | greycat: 666 is, anyhow i'm haunted... heh |
| 14:36.49 | grahamoz | differently using this distro now |
| 14:37.06 | rob__ | ledet: looks that way :) |
| 14:37.19 | vorsprung | grahamoz, i will love it once I get it set up...dist-upgrade ran and now I am looking at another 100M of downloads |
| 14:37.24 | rob__ | ledet: thanks for your help anyway |
| 14:37.25 | rob__ | bye! |
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| 14:38.16 | fultonucc | grahamoz, I love 1.3 too, it's got a great bible and verse prgm, plus fortune -o where I get preaching quotes next to dirty limericks. |
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| 14:38.23 | grahamoz | lol |
| 14:38.28 | grahamoz | whats wrong vorsprung |
| 14:38.32 | grahamoz | i did not have to do that |
| 14:38.42 | grahamoz | i installed off dvd 1 in vmware |
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| 14:39.32 | Spec | is everyone here aware that debian sarge has officially been released? |
| 14:39.33 | WhiteRabbit | 666 is not the # of the beast its 616 in hebrew |
| 14:39.40 | bob2 | Spec: no |
| 14:39.42 | greycat | !topicsmite Spec |
| 14:39.43 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Spec. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:39.45 | bob2 | Spec: not even the person who set the topic |
| 14:39.49 | Spec | ^.^ |
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| 14:39.58 | Spec | (ssh, i read the topic; don't tell anyone) |
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| 14:40.00 | PerfDave | Whoa, Sarge has been released? DUDE! |
| 14:40.03 | greycat | WhiteRabbit: STICKY beast. 1000. Eh.... never mind. |
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| 14:40.19 | ndazza | heh |
| 14:40.36 | tdonahue | XTF, I don't normally use knoqueror so I never noticed that before, I normally use firefox which does remember the last window size |
| 14:40.58 | WhiteRabbit | greycat, http://tinyurl.com/93ffq Paganist, |
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| 14:41.09 | citral | greycat: lynx http://www.torrentspy.com/download.asp?id=320274 |
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| 14:41.24 | XTF | tdonahue: Hmm, I guess that'll be another feature request. |
| 14:41.43 | fultonucc | whiterabbit...both 616 AND 666 are the number of the beast, 616 is a textual variant found in a few manuscripts, most say 666, its because there are a couple of ways to spell either ceasar augustus or george bush |
| 14:42.03 | Paganist | WhiteRabbit: Thanks :)Though, i was more interrested by an answer about this famd thing |
| 14:42.09 | drc | hi |
| 14:42.23 | WhiteRabbit | fultonucc, look up the hebrew word bush boose & you'll laf |
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| 14:42.45 | WhiteRabbit | fultonucc, english mistranslated |
| 14:42.52 | Subvertir | I spent a few days in jail at 616 poplar for public intoxication |
| 14:42.53 | citral | laf? slang? |
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| 14:42.58 | Spec | So....did anyone else see any similarities between bush and palpatine? |
| 14:43.16 | citral | yes, in #politics |
| 14:43.22 | Spec | there's a politics channel? |
| 14:43.27 | grahamdeb | w00t |
| 14:43.27 | Spec | score :p |
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| 14:43.33 | karrot-x_u2 | hmm |
| 14:43.36 | grahamdeb | how do u show system specs in xchat |
| 14:43.57 | PerfDave | Is there any way to disable Ctrl-D meaning logout / exit in the shell? Specifically, is there a way to disable it for my bash login window, but not for shells spawned by screen? |
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| 14:44.11 | directhex|work | grahamdeb, install a script |
| 14:44.18 | bob2 | PerfDave: hm, I suspect stty is in charge of that |
| 14:44.24 | grahamdeb | its installed i think |
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| 14:44.44 | morph_ | ok any morphix users in here? |
| 14:44.47 | xoz | PerfDave: inputrc? |
| 14:44.54 | citral | morph_: argh |
| 14:44.56 | bob2 | PerfDave: you could do something like run that to disable it in ~/.rpofile, and undo the change in ~/bashrc |
| 14:45.00 | bob2 | morph_: #morphix |
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| 14:45.14 | greycat | citral: thanks. |
| 14:45.26 | citral | no problem |
| 14:45.33 | morph_ | with the gui installer hows that work? |
| 14:45.48 | greycat | now we get to see whether I can connect to the tracker from here. |
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| 14:46.00 | bob2 | morph_: #morphix |
| 14:46.10 | greycat | what a fucking *joke* microsoft is. |
| 14:46.11 | bob2 | morph_: this really isn't a morphix channl |
| 14:46.19 | bob2 | morph_: one hint is that it's called "#debian" |
| 14:46.27 | bob2 | another is that I keep nudging you towards the right place |
| 14:46.27 | fas3r | re |
| 14:46.34 | Subvertir | I keep hearing that |
| 14:46.40 | morph_ | yeah i know but i figured since it's deb based |
| 14:46.45 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 14:46.45 | bob2 | morph_: sorry, no |
| 14:46.45 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 14:46.53 | bob2 | morph_: your question is quite morphix-specific |
| 14:46.55 | fultonucc | I'll have to bring my hebrew books next time to computer cafe |
| 14:46.55 | Subvertir | but my winxp box has been running for two months on end, directly connected to the internet |
| 14:46.59 | bob2 | morph_: try #morphix |
| 14:47.03 | drc | microsoft isn't a joke, it's a big moneymaker :P |
| 14:47.22 | argtor | a very effective one at that |
| 14:47.23 | greycat | drc: then why couldn't they afford to put fixmbr on their XP nistallation? |
| 14:47.28 | morph_ | yes thank you for all your input bob but maybe someone else might b more helpful |
| 14:47.50 | greycat | I'll be helpful. |
| 14:47.53 | drc | greycat: they can afford it for sure :P |
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| 14:48.00 | drc | and isn't there fixmbr in xp? |
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| 14:48.10 | bob2 | morph_: seriously, in future, ask in the approriate place |
| 14:48.29 | bob2 | especially since your question about a "gui installer" had nothing at all to do with Debian |
| 14:48.36 | citral | greycat: it's on the XP pro cd |
| 14:48.38 | bob2 | and was obviously entirely morphix-specific |
| 14:48.46 | greycat | citral: once again... I *do not have* any microsoft CDs. |
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| 14:48.50 | citral | arf |
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| 14:49.04 | greycat | citral: why didn't they stick it *on the hard disk* when they installed the OS? |
| 14:49.06 | drc | greycat: download the bootcd or diskS then |
| 14:49.22 | greycat | drc: I'm attempting to download a knoppix CD right now. It's... not going. |
| 14:49.23 | drc | hmm, I have no idea |
| 14:49.37 | fultonucc | I gotta go find something on DambSmallLinux, along with MULINUX maybe what I need..thanks folks, great first time on chat, notavirginanymore |
| 14:49.37 | citral | greycat: a copy of the mbr is at the end of the ntfs volume iirc |
| 14:49.38 | drc | send email to mr. gates and ask :p |
| 14:49.50 | greycat | maybe I should just give the laptop back with the MBR still booting the lilo menu and say "live with it" |
| 14:49.53 | citral | from my uni course... wait |
| 14:49.54 | fatal__ | watch out though, the fix* rescue commands can wipe your disk... I've experienced that a couple of times. |
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| 14:50.08 | PerfDave | Somebody should make a derivative distro of WinXP! |
| 14:50.20 | giupy | PerfDave, ?? |
| 14:50.32 | drc | greycat: you can download the bootdisks, dunno if you can download a boot cd, but then you can do fixmbr |
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| 14:50.41 | rvalles | PerfDave: please no |
| 14:50.44 | ndazza | greycat, just set the lilo delay to 0s, they'll never know the difference |
| 14:50.45 | xoz | greycat: make lilo to not wait during boot so that the user won't notice |
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| 14:50.48 | streuner | giupy: a whole sentence would be helpful |
| 14:50.49 | drc | prepare to have about 10 floppies btw |
| 14:50.54 | cuenco | hello |
| 14:50.55 | greycat | ndazza: I'd *love* to do that. Show me how to do it. |
| 14:51.03 | greycat | ndazza: neither woody nor sarge can do it. |
| 14:51.04 | cuenco | can anyone help me with bacula with mysql in a debian machine? |
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| 14:51.46 | wigwam | greycat: afaik lilo measures in tenths of seconds. so 50=5 sec. Maybe lilo accepts a 1, which would be 1/10 sec? |
| 14:51.50 | PerfDave | Bah, fucking stty. The manual says "stty ^D undef" should work, but it doesn't. |
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| 14:52.00 | drc | what do you guys consider to be the best window manager for debian? |
| 14:52.11 | streuner | !best |
| 14:52.11 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:52.13 | wigwam | drc: No flamewar please ;) |
| 14:52.13 | PerfDave | drc: screen |
| 14:52.19 | bob2 | drc: that's entirely subjective |
| 14:52.26 | xoz | greycat: delay=0 |
| 14:52.30 | ndazza | greycat, i think it's something like delay 0 |
| 14:52.34 | dopey | the answer is fluxbox, of course. |
| 14:52.35 | drc | I mean, like for X etc? :P |
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| 14:52.42 | paulswm | !irritate jethro |
| 14:52.43 | dpkg | jethro: HELP ME!!! who uses kde !!!1 |
| 14:52.49 | PerfDave | drc: screen ;) |
| 14:52.50 | xoz | greycat: and disable prompt option |
| 14:52.54 | citral | greycat: for info, NTFS writes a duplicate of the boot sector in the following location: At the end of the volume on volumes formatted with Windows XP Professional, Windows 2000, and Windows NT 4.0. |
| 14:53.03 | streuner | !wb jethro |
| 14:53.04 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! jethro has returned! |
| 14:53.09 | drc | damn you PerfDave, what's the correct way to say it then? :) |
| 14:53.17 | PerfDave | drc: screen! |
| 14:53.32 | drc | graphical window manager? |
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| 14:54.13 | Joeycool | hello guys, is it normal there isn't anymore debian updates since sarge went stable ? |
| 14:54.22 | PerfDave | Joeycool: Debian updates where? |
| 14:54.22 | never_ | Mjello... My screen / computer freez up when i try to start x on my debian testing with kernel 2.6.11.11 and the new 1.0-7664 nvidia driver from their site.. Any body have some ideers on how to solve this problem? |
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| 14:54.29 | ndazza | drc, there are 851 ppl in this channel, you can probably find someone for EVERY wm who claims theirs is the best |
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| 14:54.41 | paulswm | drc: as bob2 said, that is highly subjective, there are several good ones |
| 14:54.46 | PerfDave | Joeycool: Sarge will not get any more updates, except via security.debian.org |
| 14:54.53 | directhex|work | never_, you deserve everything you get for using nvidia-installer |
| 14:54.54 | xoz | Joeycool: that's why it is stable because only security updates are allowed which happens rarely |
| 14:54.57 | rvalles_ | never: for me, the 7xxx drivers never worked well |
| 14:54.59 | bob2 | JoshH: this is how stable release work |
| 14:55.01 | cuenco | anyone know why bacula-director-mysql ver 1.36.2-2sarge1 creates database and tables but fails aafter? |
| 14:55.02 | cuenco | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 14:55.05 | Joeycool | oh ok thank you |
| 14:55.07 | rvalles_ | never: being the latest 6xxx stable |
| 14:55.10 | PerfDave | ndazza: /msg dpkg nvidia installer |
| 14:55.25 | bob2 | cuenco: did you configure it with the correct root password? |
| 14:55.29 | streuner | Joeycool: if you want newer packages just go with etch/testing |
| 14:55.30 | rvalles_ | (gf4 mx440) |
| 14:55.33 | drc | well ok, tell me some of the most used WM's. Don't say KDE or Gnome. |
| 14:55.34 | ndazza | PerfDave, ... uh thanks... |
| 14:55.39 | cuenco | yes, i can login via console |
| 14:55.43 | drc | (on debian) |
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| 14:55.48 | never_ | hmm well which installer do you recommend then? |
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| 14:56.07 | PerfDave | ndazza: Whoops |
| 14:56.09 | PerfDave | ndazza: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 14:56.12 | citral | drc: fluxbox, wmaker are two good light ones |
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| 14:56.19 | rvalles | drc: xfce4 |
| 14:56.23 | giupy | drc, try xfce too |
| 14:56.24 | paulswm | drc: kde and gnome are display managers |
| 14:56.25 | rvalles | drc: (I use and like that) |
| 14:56.26 | ndazza | drc, kde and gnome aren't window managers... kwin is the wm used by kde |
| 14:56.30 | ralf | drc: how many ram have you? |
| 14:56.31 | bob2 | cuenco: er, "did you configure bacula with the mysql root password?" |
| 14:56.32 | PerfDave | KDE is the One True Desktop :) |
| 14:56.34 | ndazza | i dunno what the gnome one is |
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| 14:56.36 | rvalles | drc: there's also icewm, which I like quite a lot |
| 14:56.40 | bobbens | PerfDave: you can use !tell ndazza about nvidia |
| 14:56.44 | paulswm | !singlishsmite PerfDave |
| 14:56.46 | dpkg | PerfDave: Why so gorblock, you? |
| 14:56.46 | streuner | PerfDave: haha |
| 14:56.47 | PerfDave | bobbens: I know. |
| 14:56.48 | paulswm | :P |
| 14:56.55 | drc | ok |
| 14:57.16 | ndazza | bobbens, or you can !tell never_ about nvidia (seeing as he was the one who needed to know) |
| 14:57.35 | drc | so xfce, xfce4, fluxbox, icewm, blackbox |
| 14:57.38 | PerfDave | Anyway, does anybody know why "stty ^D undef" doesn't work? It seems to be correct going by the manpage / info, but gives the following error: stty: invalid argument `^d' |
| 14:57.43 | ralf | drc: if your pc has about 128MB ram you can use gnome or kde, that are beauty and have a lot of tools with them |
| 14:57.47 | drc | I have fluxbox on one desktop, haven't tested the others |
| 14:57.56 | petemc | PerfDave: stty undef ^D |
| 14:58.02 | ralf | if your pc has less ram you may want to use something faster |
| 14:58.13 | cuenco | this error occurs when I try to get the package via apt |
| 14:58.19 | paulswm | drc: I personally use gnome and metacity, because metacity is gnome's default wm and I'm happy with it, not a recommendation, just an example. |
| 14:58.21 | ndazza | ralf, perhaps 512MB... |
| 14:58.23 | ralf | i run kde on a 96MB machine and is really slow |
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| 14:58.32 | PerfDave | petemc: Doesn't work either. |
| 14:58.33 | ralf | ndazza: ? |
| 14:58.35 | drc | ralf: but kde and gnome have a lot of useless stuff.. at least the versions I tried long time ago |
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| 14:58.41 | petemc | PerfDave: oh |
| 14:58.44 | ndazza | ralf, kde and a couple of apps use 300MB on my machine (not including cache) |
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| 14:58.46 | markl_ | does anyone know what happened to gnome-panel? |
| 14:59.04 | ralf | ndazza: it runs on my pc with 96MB |
| 14:59.05 | PerfDave | drc: Only if you choose to install it. |
| 14:59.06 | ircdevil_ | hmmm - peculiar - i login to a altix cluster and type top -> and the ssh session freezes |
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| 14:59.10 | ralf | it can run with 128 so |
| 14:59.20 | ndazza | ralf, that's because of the magic they call 'swap space' |
| 14:59.25 | pzn | which package do create system users in /etc/passwd? |
| 14:59.28 | PerfDave | KDE's quite happy with 64Mb RAM on one of my systems, once I turned off antialiasing. |
| 14:59.33 | directhex|work | ircdevil_, that's god's way of telling you you spent too much on altix |
| 14:59.33 | streuner | markl_: broken packages in sid? |
| 14:59.37 | PerfDave | pzn: adduser ? |
| 14:59.43 | xoz | markl_: be more specific |
| 14:59.51 | streuner | markl_: 2.10 goes already into unstable... |
| 14:59.58 | ircdevil_ | directhex|work: i didnt pay - i just have a shell account :o) |
| 15:00.05 | ralf | ndazza: i have 256MB of swap but you know that having a few ram and a lot swap will make your system go into 'trashing' |
| 15:00.10 | pzn | PerfDave, no, the package that creates the /etc/passwd at instalation... |
| 15:00.33 | ndazza | ralf, that's entirely dependent on the system load and what you are doing with it |
| 15:00.38 | markl_ | streuner: i see |
| 15:00.40 | ndazza | ralf, and it is actually termed 'thrashing' |
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| 15:01.01 | markl_ | streuner: is there a replacement for the panel yet? |
| 15:01.13 | ndazza | ralf, if you have a massive file in memory but it hasn't been accessed for 3hours, it can happily sit in swap while you choke up your ram with other crap |
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| 15:01.17 | ralf | ndazza: i maily use konqueror without plugins, akregator, kmail and kopete |
| 15:01.31 | ircdevil | ok - this one works ... |
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| 15:01.50 | andyo | I can't get ctrl+alt+2/4 etc. to work on mye debian, so I can't type the dollar sign, the "at" and the brackets.. anyone familiar with this problem? |
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| 15:02.07 | streuner | markl_: no, it should be soon ready... |
| 15:02.17 | PerfDave | andyo: Surely you want shift+whatever to get those characters, unless you've got an odd keyboard :) |
| 15:02.18 | drc | Can anyone show me some screenshots of icewm? |
| 15:02.19 | greycat | Well, now I can see why Knoppix people come here instead of #knoppix. |
| 15:02.22 | emag | has anyone seen their ps/2 touchpads on laptops stop working w/ the latest unstable xfree86? |
| 15:02.30 | PeTeRB | drc: Google. |
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| 15:02.36 | giupy | drc, google -> images |
| 15:02.40 | PerfDave | emag: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 15:02.41 | markl_ | streuner: ok thanks; any rough guess as to when? like this week, or this month? |
| 15:02.41 | drc | oh, dump me |
| 15:02.45 | streuner | greycat: of course... |
| 15:02.50 | ircdevil | greycat: anything going down on #knoppix? |
| 15:02.52 | emag | PerfDave: i can't find anything relevant.... |
| 15:02.53 | ndazza | drc, http://www.google.com.au/search?q=icewm |
| 15:02.59 | PeTeRB | drc: Also, I think the website (icewm.org) had some |
| 15:03.07 | drc | I looked there and didn't see any |
| 15:03.08 | PerfDave | emag: reportbug :) |
| 15:03.20 | emag | PerfDave: yeah, i hate being the trailblazer |
| 15:03.24 | greycat | there's been... /me takes off shoes to count that high... uh, 1 line of output in #knoppix since I joined. And it's, uh, mine. |
| 15:03.53 | ndazza | drc, well i'm at the website and i'm looking at some now... |
| 15:03.55 | dut | Hello all. I have matrix printer Epson LX-300+ and CUPS. May i increase resolution of graphic printing? Maximal value what i have: 240x72. But it's not normal. What i must do if i want, for example: 240x144? |
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| 15:04.14 | PerfDave | emag: If you hate being a trailblazer, why the fuck are you running unstable and putting yourself in the firing line of being the first to deal with bugs? |
| 15:04.14 | drc | hmm, I don't see any |
| 15:04.18 | greycat | and my btlaunch is still saying "Problem connecting to tracker - timed out" and I don't even know whether it's a problem on my side (corporate firewall) or theirs. |
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| 15:04.19 | andyo | PerfDave: it's a regular european keyboard... special characters specific to my language works, but not the ctrl+alt ones |
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| 15:04.25 | streuner | greycat: they just point the irc-client to #debian |
| 15:04.26 | emag | PerfDave: because i'm stupid and insane? |
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| 15:04.28 | ndazza | there's a section on the main page that says 'screenshots' |
| 15:04.31 | rvalles_ | dut: do you know for sure the printer supports such resolution? |
| 15:04.35 | ndazza | and under that is the text 'see themes' |
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| 15:04.39 | ircdevil | greycat: heh - knoppix users evidently dont need support - the ones comming to #debian are just freak improbabilities |
| 15:04.44 | ndazza | and right below that, there is about a dozen themese |
| 15:04.45 | emag | 99 out of 100 times, someone else finds a problem and workaround first :-) |
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| 15:04.52 | streuner | greycat: and you can guess whats the reason was... |
| 15:04.55 | greycat | and the only reason I got *that* far is because citral gave me a different URL for the .torrent file *in a differnet channel* |
| 15:04.58 | dut | rvalles_: yeah i know. Because more time ago, i have that resolution on windows98 |
| 15:05.02 | PerfDave | andyo: Hmm, I've never heard of a keyboard where you had to press ctrl and alt to get special characters. Possibly your WM or whatever is intercepting the keystrokes, or does this also not work from the console? |
| 15:05.04 | jason | guys sorry for the irony but can i ask an ubuntu-related question? thanks in adv |
| 15:05.08 | drc | ndazza: are you looking at the themes? I don't see any other links |
| 15:05.15 | PerfDave | jason: No |
| 15:05.15 | rvalles | dut: hmm... |
| 15:05.19 | tarzeau | jason: No |
| 15:05.24 | ircdevil | jason: no |
| 15:05.30 | PerfDave | jason: Or rather, you can, but over in #ubuntu please :) |
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| 15:05.38 | ndazza | drc, yeah... i clicked on the first one, it took me to a freshmeat page and there was a nice shiny screenshot thumbnail |
| 15:05.39 | tarzeau | PerfDave: TMI |
| 15:05.41 | rvalles | dut: there was some script (foomatic) to create ppd |
| 15:05.47 | andyo | PerfDave: it does not work from console and I've tried to get it working on several WMs without success |
| 15:05.58 | rvalles | dut: there was some website, also, that had listings of printers, and created tailored ppd |
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| 15:06.06 | ndazza | 'the first one' being the bluecrux theme |
| 15:06.06 | drc | and those all are for icewm right? |
| 15:06.11 | rvalles | dut: linux-printing.org or -printers or something |
| 15:06.11 | jason | ok i sense ubuntu animosity :-) |
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| 15:06.25 | dut | rvalles: there are no epson lx-300. Only epson dot-matrix |
| 15:06.27 | streuner | jason: and i sense trollmosity |
| 15:06.28 | ndazza | drc, yes, there's about 40 themes for icewm in the icewm-themes package |
| 15:06.29 | rvalles | jason: here, I don't like ubuntu at all :/ |
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| 15:06.33 | directhex|work | ubuntu is a valid & useful software product, but it's not debian |
| 15:06.36 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 15:06.42 | bob2 | what directhex|work said |
| 15:06.44 | Subvertir | I like using icewm themes in KDE |
| 15:06.46 | Subvertir | it makes me feel leet |
| 15:06.52 | tarzeau | !leet |
| 15:06.53 | rvalles | dut: mine is a fujitsu dl1100... set to emulate epson "q" |
| 15:06.56 | dpkg | /me is leet cos he can start lines with a / |
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| 15:07.06 | ndazza | drc, you get a simple taskbar with pager, 'start button', clock and resource meters |
| 15:07.06 | Subvertir | omfg he is leet! |
| 15:07.12 | rvalles | dut: (24pin, color, resolution higher than that, but unsure how much exactly) |
| 15:07.13 | ndazza | drc, and that's most of icewm :) |
| 15:07.15 | directhex|work | personally, i'd be hard pushed to recommend anything else for use on a laptop of similar specification to mine |
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| 15:07.20 | Tak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.29 | rvalles | dut: dot matrix printers are so cool, btw! :) |
| 15:07.31 | Subvertir | directhex|work, fluxbox =) |
| 15:07.33 | ndazza | /leet! |
| 15:07.34 | drc | hmm, one of the themes looks exactly like windows xp, kinky |
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| 15:07.58 | ndazza | drc, if that floats ur boat... :) |
| 15:07.58 | directhex|work | Subvertir, fluxbox is a window manager, it's not much of an alternative to an operating system |
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| 15:08.06 | dut | rvalles: cool. But 120x72 is awful for graphic printing. and 240x72 is not proportional |
| 15:08.08 | giupy | drc there is a theme for kde that it's really like xp |
| 15:08.08 | ndazza | drc, personally the first time i saw that i shuddered |
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| 15:08.15 | tarzeau | OMG I can write with colors! |
| 15:08.16 | ndazza | drc, and changed it ASAP |
| 15:08.18 | rvalles | dut: :/ |
| 15:08.36 | andyo | PerfDave: here is a keyboard layout similar to mine btw: http://www.fingertipsoft.com/kbd/norwegian.gif |
| 15:08.37 | drc | :) |
| 15:08.40 | Subvertir | directhex|work, I'm not altogether sure how you launch fluxbox, but over here, it's a bit difficult to do so without an operating system running |
| 15:08.45 | PerfDave | Oh for FUCK's sake. Turns out that what I wanted to do was "stty eof undef", not "stty ^D undef". Stupid cunting lack of documentation. |
| 15:08.49 | punsad | anyone here use knoppix much or other similar live CD? I played around with it a bit and saw that xine and k3b are installed, but I was unable to burn/watch DVDs... should I have a second cd-drive or something to enable these? |
| 15:08.50 | PerfDave | And even then, it doesn't work. |
| 15:08.55 | jason | trollmosity is not even a word lol |
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| 15:08.56 | drc | I don't like the xp look at all =) |
| 15:08.58 | PerfDave | punsad: #knoppix |
| 15:09.16 | streuner | !d-i punsad |
| 15:09.17 | dpkg | punsad, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:09.22 | directhex|work | eek |
| 15:09.30 | directhex|work | updateth the factoid! |
| 15:09.40 | directhex|work | dpkg, d-i |
| 15:09.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 15:09.57 | nick01 | are there any cd covers available for sarge yet ? |
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| 15:10.03 | directhex|work | dpkg, no, d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? |
| 15:10.05 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 15:10.17 | bob2 | woody will give you cancer |
| 15:10.28 | greycat | directhex|work: include the URL. |
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| 15:10.41 | xoz | PerfDave: edit /etc/inputrc ... Control-d: "" |
| 15:10.46 | directhex|work | greycat, to the devel site, or to the getting debian page? |
| 15:10.56 | greycat | !d-i directhex|work |
| 15:10.57 | dpkg | directhex|work, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:10.59 | greycat | that one. |
| 15:11.11 | PerfDave | xoz: Will that affect bash? Can I disable it within screen? |
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| 15:12.01 | directhex|work | dpkg, d-i is also see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:12.02 | dpkg | is also see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 15:12.19 | directhex|work | um... what? |
| 15:12.23 | hiaslboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.45 | PerfDave | directhex|work: It's a cmd, not a usual factoid |
| 15:13.01 | xoz | PerfDave: hmm. it's not working. |
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| 15:13.20 | kodek | :) hi peeps |
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| 15:13.38 | tarzeau | kodek: hi honey |
| 15:13.46 | kodek | tarzeau: :P |
| 15:13.49 | directhex|work | dpkg, no, d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:13.49 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
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| 15:13.59 | kodek | does anyone know how to upgrade from the old sarge to the new testing? |
| 15:14.20 | tarzeau | !sarge->etch |
| 15:14.21 | streuner | kodek: your attitude sucks |
| 15:14.25 | directhex|work | kodek, it's a nightmarish process involving voodoo, and 3.7 goats |
| 15:14.38 | kodek | streuner: why does my attitude suck? |
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| 15:14.54 | abrotman | kodek: s/sarge/etch/g |
| 15:14.57 | PerfDave | kodek: Just keep "testing" in your sources.list |
| 15:15.05 | streuner | kodek: How is Sarge old? |
| 15:15.11 | kodek | my old sarge |
| 15:15.13 | kodek | the old one |
| 15:15.14 | kenro | Hi |
| 15:15.16 | kodek | the one that used to be testing |
| 15:15.28 | directhex|work | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 15:15.28 | dpkg | Sarge too old for you ALREADY? Change 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch' or 'testing' and remove the security.debian.org line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade. Enjoy. |
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| 15:15.45 | green_earz | kodek: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ |
| 15:15.47 | kenro | Would anyone wish to rehash wireless network conectivity? |
| 15:15.51 | kodek | cause right now, im getting 404 errors when i try to apt-get update on the debian security source |
| 15:16.01 | abrotman | kodek: no security for testing .. just woody/sarge |
| 15:16.02 | directhex|work | !testing security |
| 15:16.02 | dpkg | well, testing security is not supported, or ask me about testing security issues |
| 15:16.19 | kodek | green_earz: lotsa content, ty :) |
| 15:16.25 | green_earz | kodek: or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
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| 15:16.30 | kenro | I'm having trouble getting Debian to connect wireless. |
| 15:16.34 | ndazza | hehe... u can't test your security |
| 15:16.40 | PerfDave | kodek: If you're running testing, you won't get security updates. If you're running stable, you will, with the relevant security.debian.org line. |
| 15:16.50 | kodek | i see |
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| 15:16.53 | kodek | so should i take it out? |
| 15:16.56 | mtnman | kenro: rephrase as a question |
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| 15:17.03 | PerfDave | kodek: If you want to run testing/etch, yes. |
| 15:17.16 | jasoncohen | how does aptitude work differently than apt? I still can't figure out why aptitude dist-upgrade wants to insstall apache2, snort, portsentry, mysql as new packages replacing a mysql-4.1. it doesn't ask to do so on my stable system and apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't do it either |
| 15:17.20 | PerfDave | kodek: If you want to run stable/sarge, you need to *fix* it, not remove it. |
| 15:17.26 | jasoncohen | it's not recommends because i ran with --without-recommends |
| 15:17.30 | kodek | no, i want to run testing. |
| 15:17.37 | PerfDave | kodek: So you know what to do then. |
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| 15:17.54 | kodek | PerfDave: I'll give it a try, thank you. |
| 15:17.57 | streuner | kodek: if you wanna the latest software like GNOME 2.10 or KDE 3.4 you wanna use etch, if you wanna run it for server just go with stable |
| 15:18.00 | kenro | mntman: What's the correct driver for a Linksys 802.11b pcmcia network adapter? |
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| 15:18.18 | kodek | streuner: this is a headless box, i dont have X installed. |
| 15:18.32 | directhex|work | kenro, depends. wireless manufacturers use random chipsets, with random drivers, on the same model number |
| 15:18.38 | streuner | kodek: well, you answered your question then |
| 15:18.38 | nick01 | streuner, etch has KDE 3.4 ? |
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| 15:18.43 | marga | Hi! I've just updated my kernel to: kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp, and when I booted the machine, it got stuck in "Loading Linux....", I tried rebooting it but the same thing happened. Older kernels boot ok... What might be going on? |
| 15:18.46 | streuner | nick01: soon |
| 15:18.52 | jasoncohen | kodek, just commend out the security.debian.org line with # and change stable/sarge to etch/testing for the main archive |
| 15:18.52 | mtnman | kenro: 1) questions should be thrown out to the channel, not individuals.... |
| 15:18.58 | Phated | !buu++ |
| 15:19.02 | nick01 | streuner, cause it is not listed on distrowatch |
| 15:19.03 | kodek | okay, thank you everyone :) |
| 15:19.22 | streuner | nick01: i said soon |
| 15:19.23 | jasoncohen | nick01, etch will have KDE 3.4 |
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| 15:19.32 | drc | DevianART has some nice themes for Blackbox, but some of them seem to be for windows? Can you use blackbox in windows aswell? :P |
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| 15:19.41 | Subvertir | drc, bb4win yes |
| 15:19.44 | nick01 | streuner, so there's no advantage in getting etch isos I guess |
| 15:19.45 | Subvertir | I'm using it right now |
| 15:20.00 | streuner | nick01: not yet |
| 15:20.02 | drc | Subvertir: ok, thanks. |
| 15:20.03 | Subvertir | drc for the record, though, the theme engines are identical afaict |
| 15:20.09 | jasoncohen | nick01, if you've already downloaded the sarge isos, just upgrade when you finish the install |
| 15:20.16 | Subvertir | So you should be able to use those "windows" themes in mainline blackbox. |
| 15:20.19 | nick01 | k |
| 15:20.22 | streuner | nick01: just upgrade via d-i |
| 15:20.24 | jasoncohen | nick01, if not, download the testing netinstall image and use that |
| 15:20.30 | drc | Subvertir: how can they be? |
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| 15:20.40 | Subvertir | drc, blackbox themes are just text files |
| 15:20.58 | jasoncohen | nick01, wait- you already have a sarge system.. all you have to do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list , apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:21.00 | directhex|work | kenro, depending on the revision of your hardware, it may be using prism2 or realtek chipsets. the former is supported by orrinoco, the latter is unsuported as far as i can tell |
| 15:21.04 | kenro | And I suppose I should be aware already of net-iquette... Anyway, my wNIC is wpc11 v4. What is the correct driver? |
| 15:21.09 | Subvertir | drc, I've seen one or two that include bitmaps, but they're the exception, not the rule (and usually it's just a background image) |
| 15:21.12 | gjaouen | hello everybody :) |
| 15:21.31 | drc | Subvertir: okay |
| 15:21.35 | directhex|work | kenro, v4 is unsupported, it uses a realtek chipset |
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| 15:22.03 | kenro | bah |
| 15:22.04 | Gargoyle | what's the minimum discs I need to DL to get a desktop up and running? |
| 15:22.13 | gjaouen | i've got a big problem since i've made an apt-get dist upgrade on my woody |
| 15:22.16 | jasoncohen | Gargoyle, one |
| 15:22.20 | Subvertir | Gargoyle, if you want to do a netinstall, a single 300mb image |
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| 15:22.41 | Gargoyle | nah, I want to get a basic kde/gnome up and running offline |
| 15:22.44 | streuner | directhex: are there any other reasons why you recommend ubuntu, exept your laptop which is not installable in debian? |
| 15:22.44 | directhex|work | kenro, you may have some luck with ndiswrapper, if you run i386 and want to load windows drivers into your kernel |
| 15:22.57 | directhex|work | streuner, nope |
| 15:22.57 | Ungy | any suggestions on a flash editor? I can't seem to find one |
| 15:23.02 | jasoncohen | Gargoyle, download the netinstall CD . it's a 100 or so MB and it'll install all packages available in debian |
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| 15:23.53 | jasoncohen | Gargoyle, you can get it here- http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:24.17 | kenro | directhex|work: ndiswrapper allows use of Windows drivers? |
| 15:24.25 | streuner | directhex|work: ok. |
| 15:24.52 | Ungy | kenro someone told me that yesterday |
| 15:25.08 | Gargoyle | jasoncohen: I was thinking of DL in work, then installing at home. Only got slow conn at home |
| 15:25.17 | kenro | Checking on the package... |
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| 15:25.29 | shingouz | kenro: ndiwrapper allows you to use windows drivers, yes. if at all possible get somethign that is natively supported |
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| 15:25.55 | directhex|work | kenro, it does. it's also pure evil, since it means companies don't need to bother with real drivers, and people buy any kit rather than supporting linux-friendly kit |
| 15:26.02 | jasoncohen | Gargoyle, then get the first few CDs or download the 1st DVD image |
| 15:26.13 | jasoncohen | there's no need for the second DVD or all 14 CDs |
| 15:26.21 | jasoncohen | as they're sorted in order of popularity |
| 15:26.25 | gjaouen | lots of packages doesn't work and apt-get tell me that the netkit-inet is half-configured is someone as an idea to help me ? |
| 15:26.34 | shingouz | !tell kenro about ndiswrapper |
| 15:26.40 | directhex|work | gjaouen, unstable, testing, stable? |
| 15:26.40 | Gargoyle | jasoncohen: ahhh, that helps ta. |
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| 15:26.52 | jasoncohen | gjaouen, you can run dpkg-reconfigure netkit-inet |
| 15:26.54 | Gargoyle | jasoncohen: so 1,2 and 3 will probably do ? |
| 15:26.57 | gjaouen | directhex|work stable |
| 15:27.02 | jasoncohen | Gargoyle, yeah, that should be fine |
| 15:27.07 | Gargoyle | ta |
| 15:27.28 | jasoncohen | Gargoyle, you can always get the rest after you install. the first 3 should have what you need to install KDE/Gnome/X and other big packages |
| 15:27.38 | abrotman | if you have broadband .. the netinst works just fine |
| 15:27.42 | jasoncohen | he doesn't |
| 15:27.46 | abrotman | eek |
| 15:27.57 | jasoncohen | he's going to download the isos at work and install at home |
| 15:27.59 | jasoncohen | good idea |
| 15:28.02 | Gargoyle | jasoncohen: Will I get a very bare bones kde from cd 1 alone? |
| 15:28.13 | abrotman | doubt CD1 has kde |
| 15:28.14 | gjaouen | directhex|work : it seem to be hard because even dpkg couldn't figure out of it |
| 15:28.26 | abrotman | greycat: have you done the package list for sarge CDs yet ? |
| 15:28.28 | jasoncohen | Gargoyle, if you want to go with one disk, download the DVD |
| 15:28.29 | kenro | Any advice on a natively supported Linux wNIC? |
| 15:28.34 | jasoncohen | it'll probably have nearly everything you want |
| 15:28.35 | directhex|work | gjaouen, apt-get -f install |
| 15:28.49 | abrotman | kenro: prism54.org or madwifi.sf.net .. or google for a driver in the linux kernel |
| 15:28.58 | directhex|work | kenro, you want in-kernel support, or genrally? |
| 15:29.05 | shingouz | kenro: at least the old orinocos, atheros, prism2, prism54 |
| 15:29.10 | jasoncohen | kenro, any atheros card- wg511t for laptop, wg311t for desktop, any prism54 card |
| 15:29.13 | Ungy | Anyone know of a flash editor avialable for Linux |
| 15:29.24 | kenro | Brandnames, not chipsets, might be good... |
| 15:29.27 | abrotman | you can use PHP to make flash :) |
| 15:29.31 | cygar | does anyone knows a program similar to "debug" of DOS, where i could see the registers and what's happening line by line instead of using as86 to assemble and execute ? |
| 15:29.33 | abrotman | kenro: g or b ? |
| 15:29.36 | jasoncohen | kenro, i have tested the wg511t on my laptop using atheros + wpa_supplicant for WPA-PSK, and the wg511 prism54 as well |
| 15:29.39 | kenro | Either |
| 15:29.45 | gjaouen | directhex|work : i've done it first but after making the configuration, the process could not be run by etc/init.d/... and there's no message |
| 15:29.45 | streuner | Ungy: google for |
| 15:29.46 | Ungy | abrotman to make ok but what abotu edit |
| 15:29.47 | directhex|work | kenro, chipsets -> http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz |
| 15:29.47 | abrotman | kenro: in the kernel or outside ? |
| 15:29.57 | jasoncohen | kenro, i got the atheros wg511t for around $28 on ebay |
| 15:29.58 | abrotman | Ungy: wine+flashmx? :) |
| 15:30.19 | kenro | kernel-compiled |
| 15:30.19 | nvz | poo poo |
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| 15:30.31 | directhex|work | kenro, personally i'd suggest ralink chipsets, since they have gpl'd source code on their website, which is nice |
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| 15:30.36 | gjaouen | directhex|work : i've look into syslogd but i couldn't find something interesting |
| 15:30.51 | krezel | Is anybody else having problems getting gnome-panel to install in sid? |
| 15:30.58 | kenro | Who uses ralink chipsets? |
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| 15:30.59 | directhex|work | krezel, yes, they are. |
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| 15:31.05 | jasoncohen | where did the testing netinstall image go? |
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| 15:31.16 | streuner | krezel: 2.10 goes into unstable... |
| 15:31.17 | directhex|work | kenro, people listed on http://ralink.rapla.net/ |
| 15:31.22 | abrotman | kenro: you also didn't specifiy PCI or pcmcia or mini-pci |
| 15:31.22 | krezel | ah ok |
| 15:31.24 | jasoncohen | it seems to have been replaced by the sarge netinstall image. I only see daily builds |
| 15:31.27 | krezel | I can wait then |
| 15:31.27 | kenro | Thanks, then. |
| 15:31.27 | abrotman | or ISA! |
| 15:31.27 | krezel | thanks |
| 15:31.32 | krezel | anybody know the schedule on that? |
| 15:31.44 | jethro | krezel: did you read the bts? |
| 15:31.48 | kenro | abrotman: pcmcia |
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| 15:31.55 | streuner | !wb jethro |
| 15:31.56 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! jethro has returned! |
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| 15:32.02 | jethro | hello streuner |
| 15:32.06 | abrotman | kenro: the URL that directhex gave you .. has a complete list of careds |
| 15:32.08 | abrotman | cards even |
| 15:32.12 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, testing has existed for 3 days and you already want cd images of it? |
| 15:32.12 | kenro | Thanks, then. |
| 15:32.53 | jasoncohen | directhex|work, lol, i'm just wondering when they'll be back up |
| 15:33.04 | directhex|work | jason, 2007 |
| 15:33.07 | directhex|work | bah |
| 15:33.10 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, ^^ |
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| 15:33.40 | gjaouen | directhex|work : it seems like the apt-get database where corrupt, do you know how can i rebuild it ? |
| 15:33.41 | jasoncohen | ah, so they're only created to test for the upcoming stable release? |
| 15:33.58 | directhex|work | gjaouen, depends which file is corrupt |
| 15:34.07 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, that's sorta what testing is for |
| 15:34.09 | jasoncohen | can't he just run apt-get update? |
| 15:34.16 | sparr_ | When I install automake1.9 and i already have automake1.4 as my 'alternatives' selection for automake, why am i not prompted to update that? |
| 15:34.55 | gjaouen | directhex|work : i think it's the cache of packages status |
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| 15:35.19 | jasoncohen | gjaouen, try apt-get update and then try the command you were doing again |
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| 15:36.09 | emag | PerfDave: well, it's not X. looks like hotplug and trying to load evdev multiple times through input.agent |
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| 15:36.16 | emag | now i can file a useful report |
| 15:36.27 | gjaouen | jasoncohen : :) i've done it, but it tell me that all is wonderfull and that i've ever the last version of packages... |
| 15:36.42 | jasoncohen | gjaouen, and? |
| 15:36.44 | vchrizz | is it possible to look for files in a directory of .tar.gz archives? |
| 15:36.49 | incorrect | is there an scp or / sftp daemon only that can be chroot'd ? |
| 15:36.53 | jasoncohen | gjaouen, so, what makes you think it's corrupt? |
| 15:36.56 | sparr_ | would it be appropriate to file a bug report against a kernel image/source package about a known kernel bug? |
| 15:37.04 | gjaouen | jasoncohen : the packages doesn't work |
| 15:37.04 | bob2 | vchrizz: "look for"? |
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| 15:37.27 | kaimis | omg |
| 15:37.30 | kaimis | o_0 |
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| 15:37.34 | jasoncohen | gjaouen, what package and define "doesn't work" |
| 15:37.39 | kaimis | huliganz gi gi lol |
| 15:37.44 | vchrizz | bob2: mount /dev/cdrom /mnt; find /mnt -name libstdc++.so.5 # but how to search in .tar.gz files? |
| 15:37.53 | stouset | Sid is back? It was gone? |
| 15:37.56 | gjaouen | jasoncohen : for example my exim (3) don't start with /etc/init.d/exim start and there's no error message |
| 15:38.02 | bob2 | vchrizz: tar -ztf foo.tar.gz | grep libstdc++ |
| 15:38.10 | gjaouen | it's the same for some other packages |
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| 15:38.23 | Ungy | abtrotman I found a debian package for Flash 4 linux here http://zvonsully.tk/ |
| 15:38.33 | toonx | how can i load the crystalspace plugin in X? |
| 15:38.38 | encKe` | anyone here have Novell Client for Linux? |
| 15:38.45 | nvz | stouset: we have to lock sid in a closet everytime we are ready to release |
| 15:38.54 | PerfDave | Ungy: flashplayer-nonfree is in non-free :) |
| 15:39.00 | vchrizz | bob2: erm, so how do i search in more than one archive? |
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| 15:39.13 | stouset | nvz: *blink* We do? First I've heard of it :-) |
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| 15:39.34 | nvz | stouset: well he _is_ known for breaking things |
| 15:39.36 | gjaouen | is ther a command for checking deeply the configuration of packages ? |
| 15:39.40 | bob2 | vchrizz: with a for loop over them all and the above command |
| 15:39.51 | nvz | stouset: can be counter productive at release time |
| 15:40.04 | elephant | Hi all |
| 15:40.04 | gjaouen | maybe if i look the script of post install of package i could see what's going wrong |
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| 15:40.06 | toonx | crystalplace .. you know for playin 3D games .. |
| 15:40.14 | vchrizz | bob2: heh, i thought there is a smarter way than that :P |
| 15:40.17 | toonx | crystalspace :) |
| 15:40.23 | elephant | Can i duplicate a dir structure and compressing elements inside it ? |
| 15:40.24 | Ungy | PerfDave this is an editor |
| 15:40.29 | elephant | WIth imagemagick |
| 15:40.30 | bob2 | vchrizz: gzip'd tarballs aren't very seekable unfortunately |
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| 15:40.56 | stouset | nvz: Interesting |
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| 15:41.13 | vchrizz | bob2: ok, thx, its better than no solution :P |
| 15:41.13 | jethro | !bubnbrossmite abrotman |
| 15:41.24 | pack | bob can you like zcat into a tar find? (if you were a sadist |
| 15:41.35 | bob2 | pack: I don't get what you mean |
| 15:41.43 | shingouz | hehe.. bub-n-bros even as a factoid... /me sighs |
| 15:42.03 | jethro | !bubnbrossmite shingouz |
| 15:42.17 | pureone | http://images.vnunet.com/v7_images/generic/large/v7_n_msn_search_large.gif |
| 15:42.22 | abrotman | :bub-n-bros-smite jethro |
| 15:42.25 | abrotman | !bub-n-bros-smite jethro |
| 15:42.32 | abrotman | hey .. where'd it go ? |
| 15:42.35 | shingouz | jethro: *i'm* not the one touting bub-n-bros here :) |
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| 15:42.49 | jethro | abrotman: just spell it right *sigh* |
| 15:42.55 | directhex|work | !hackerssmite shingouz |
| 15:42.58 | greycat | abrotman: no. I don't have sarge CDs. |
| 15:43.00 | pack | bob2: you said gziped tar balls aren't very seekable, but i bet you could zcat them into tars stdin and whatever commands to list files inside a tarball. it would be inefficient as all hell, but funny |
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| 15:43.01 | directhex|work | :o :( |
| 15:43.11 | shingouz | hmm... |
| 15:43.21 | shingouz | !hackersmite directhex|work |
| 15:43.29 | bob2 | pack: right, gnu tar has that built in (tar -ztf blah.tar.gz), but zcat is handy on other systems |
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| 15:43.38 | PerfDave | You can search within tars using a combination of tar, find and some shell scripting :) |
| 15:43.40 | Phated | shingouz: double s. |
| 15:43.41 | gjaouen | do you know a good forum of debian woody users where i could explain the problem and join more precisions (conf files, syslog, etc) ?? |
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| 15:43.53 | xtension | !hi |
| 15:43.54 | dpkg | hello, xtension |
| 15:43.55 | sparr_ | How can I install a non-latest nvidia driver 'the debian way'? |
| 15:43.56 | directhex|work | gjaouen, woody? you said you were on stable! |
| 15:43.56 | abrotman | greycat: ah ok |
| 15:44.05 | shingouz | Phated: directhex tried it on me with two s'es and it didnt work |
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| 15:44.11 | Phated | Hmm. |
| 15:44.18 | gjaouen | directhex|work : it's not the same ? |
| 15:44.23 | Phated | !factinfo cmd: hackerssmite (.*?) |
| 15:44.23 | dpkg | Phated: there's no such factoid as CMD: hackerssmite (.*?) |
| 15:44.31 | directhex|work | gjaouen, um... woody is dead, man. obsolete. history |
| 15:44.31 | Phated | shingouz: No wonder. It exists not. |
| 15:44.32 | nvz | gjaouen: woody is not current, sarge is |
| 15:44.38 | shingouz | looks like it |
| 15:44.41 | Phated | directhex|work: I think it's only on raseac. |
| 15:44.44 | zinx | !hackersmite dpkg |
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| 15:45.00 | directhex|work | gjaouen, if you read the sarge release notes, you need to use aptitude and not apt-get to upgrade, else face fiery doom |
| 15:45.09 | drc | hmm, what was the program you could run windows programs with (games f.ex)? (I forgot the name of it, shame on me) |
| 15:45.26 | bob2 | drc: wine |
| 15:45.26 | vorsprung | directhex|work, oops I didn't know that |
| 15:45.30 | directhex|work | drc, wine is free, cedega and crossoveroffice are non-free |
| 15:45.31 | singe | drc: wine, cadega |
| 15:45.36 | gu | gjaouen: what's the problem ? you can't start exim by /etc/init.d/exim start ? |
| 15:45.39 | greycat | cedega, not cadega |
| 15:45.47 | greycat | not that it matters... it's still shit. |
| 15:45.47 | drc | yes, thanks |
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| 15:45.49 | xtension | bob2 does wine also do games ?? |
| 15:45.50 | singe | greycat: ta |
| 15:45.55 | directhex|work | xtension, some. |
| 15:45.58 | drc | isn't cadega ex winex? |
| 15:46.02 | bob2 | xtension: some of them |
| 15:46.04 | singe | xtension: yes, but only opengl games. |
| 15:46.04 | Anthro | I submitted an RFE with a small and tested patch on a package with no other bug reports. The maintainer of said package maintains only one other package, which has only a few bug reports in the BTS. How long should I expect to wait for some kind of response? |
| 15:46.05 | bob2 | drc: yes |
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| 15:46.13 | sparr_ | How can I make /usr/lib/* take precedence over /usr/X11R6/lib/* when doing 'gcc -Lfoo'? |
| 15:46.15 | gjaouen | gu : right, i've edit the init.d script but all seems to be good |
| 15:46.18 | directhex|work | xtension, more with patches and cracked .exe's |
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| 15:46.27 | xtension | does opengl already support multiple screens ? |
| 15:46.34 | gu | gjaouen: what's the error like ? |
| 15:46.38 | greycat | sparr_: don't put -L/usr/X11R6/lib in the command. |
| 15:46.42 | Anthro | xtension: It depends on the video driver. |
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| 15:46.49 | directhex|work | xtension, that's a driver and hardware question, not an opengl one |
| 15:46.56 | abrotman | dri stinks |
| 15:46.59 | greycat | sparr_: and for the love of WHATEVER DEITY you hold dear, DON'T put multiple copies of a library on the same box in two different places! |
| 15:47.04 | gjaouen | gu : there is also other pakages that dpkg see as installed and ok but don't work |
| 15:47.10 | sparr_ | greycat: tell that to the package maintainers :-p |
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| 15:47.29 | greycat | sparr_: can't be that. maybe you're confused about static vs. shared. |
| 15:47.30 | Anthro | xtension: For a single video card with multiple outputs, probably. For multiple video cards, I've only managed to get it working on one screen. |
| 15:47.44 | abrotman | i can't even get two X sessions on the same card working |
| 15:47.46 | xtension | Anthro exactly my point |
| 15:47.50 | abrotman | so i figure it's justnot possible |
| 15:47.56 | gu | gjaouen: well, you can try and see what dpkg-reconfigure does |
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| 15:48.14 | gjaouen | gu : i thougt that the source mirror have been changed on ftp.fr.debian.org and since this time, all going wrong |
| 15:48.51 | sparr_ | greycat: ive got mesa, nvidia, and whatever X provides, for libGL.so*, along with id imagine a large majority of people using debian, no? |
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| 15:49.17 | greycat | sparr_: you're supposed to install just one of those, I believe. Dunno for sure. I don't fuck with 3d shit. |
| 15:49.24 | gjaouen | gu : the mirror say stable /main and my previous debian was a woody, someone tell me that i was under sarge now. |
| 15:49.26 | citral | greycat: btdownloadcurses --minport 21590 --maxport 21600 KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.torrent works fine here. Already 12 seeds after 5 secs |
| 15:49.31 | greycat | citral: damn it. |
| 15:49.37 | bob2 | sparr_: the nvidia packages dpkg-divert mesa's one out of the way |
| 15:49.41 | greycat | citral: I'm going to try from a box with a routable IP next. |
| 15:50.05 | vorsprung | directhex|work, thanks for mentioning that aptitude thing. I'd managed the last 3 dist-upgrades without reading any release notes... |
| 15:50.09 | sparr_ | bob2: yes, and then other packages get rid of nvidia's, and back and forth it goes. i had to uninstall/reinstall nvidia-glx to repair my symlinks in /usr/lib |
| 15:50.11 | gu | gjaouen: ok, so everything is normal... now stable == sarge |
| 15:50.14 | bob2 | I've had no luck downloading things on machines without routed ports |
| 15:50.15 | greycat | FARG! no bit* in woody. |
| 15:50.17 | Anthro | greycat: If you don't have the right range of ports directed to your box, BT is unhappy. |
| 15:50.21 | bob2 | sparr_: ok, but that's fucked |
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| 15:50.32 | bob2 | sparr_: in a working system, you only have one libGL |
| 15:50.32 | greycat | Anthro: greycat is unhappy. |
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| 15:50.35 | citral | Anthro: wrong |
| 15:50.51 | gjaouen | gu : ok but it broke a server here .... for a stable branch isn't it strange ? |
| 15:50.56 | Morti | What's the best way to set the next runlevel in a script under rcS.d? Use sed to change the file that sets the default runlevel? |
| 15:51.03 | Anthro | citral: Pardon? |
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| 15:51.07 | greycat | Morti: huh? |
| 15:51.11 | citral | the ports are just dor being able to receive incoming connections, nothing to do with connecting to the tracker |
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| 15:51.12 | bob2 | Morti: what are you trying to acheive? |
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| 15:51.24 | greycat | under what delusions are you laboring? |
| 15:51.29 | Morti | bob2: if ... then runlevel3 ... else keep going on runlevel 2 |
| 15:51.30 | Morti | Basically. |
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| 15:51.34 | xtension | Morti type : runlevel x |
| 15:51.39 | bob2 | Morti: that still makes no sense |
| 15:51.45 | bob2 | Morti: what are you trying to have happen? |
| 15:51.58 | citral | so having wrong ports range could slow down, but with 400 peers it's not an issue |
| 15:52.01 | giupy | how much must be the RAM disk size with 2.6.11.11 ? |
| 15:52.02 | thorie | how do I enable the .forward file feature in sendmail? |
| 15:52.08 | citral | *400 seeds I mean |
| 15:52.20 | greycat | thorie: ask #sendmail |
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| 15:52.24 | Morti | Depending on some events tested in a script under /etc/rcS.d, set the runlevel accordingly. |
| 15:52.28 | greycat | (note: not #bash.) |
| 15:52.39 | sparr_ | bob2: you only have one? i cant imagine how. xlibmesa-gl-dev is required by dozens of graphics libraries, and it provides /usr/lib/X11R6/libGL.so. and if youre actually playing games then I assume youve got nvidia-glx installed which provides /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 15:52.41 | shingouz | giupy: initrd? |
| 15:52.47 | gu | gjaouen: sarge broke your system, or the failing dependencies ? |
| 15:52.48 | giupy | shingouz, yep |
| 15:52.52 | Morti | So could the runlevel be set if I make this script the last one to be run in the rcS stage? |
| 15:52.54 | Anthro | citral: I didn't say it would make it fail, I said it would make it unhappy. In particular, it would treat you like a leech and give you very low bandwidth. |
| 15:53.04 | shingouz | giupy: do you really need it? |
| 15:53.10 | PerfDave | Morti: Why do you want to try changing the runlevel at all? |
| 15:53.14 | giupy | shingouz, dunno |
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| 15:53.22 | bob2 | sparr_: my libGL.so in /usr/lib/ is a symlink to the one in /usr/X11R6/lib/ |
| 15:53.23 | Morti | PerfDave: To run a completely different set of services on startup. |
| 15:53.24 | giupy | shingouz, i have made kernel ever with it |
| 15:53.28 | citral | Anthro: yep. |
| 15:53.34 | sparr_ | greycat doesnt "fuck with 3d shit" so i can see how he hasnt encountered this |
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| 15:53.39 | Morti | It's basically a server that determines in a startup script exactly what its task is. |
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| 15:53.47 | greycat | !find distutils.core sarge |
| 15:53.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'distutils.core' (1): (/usr/share/doc/python2.4/html/dist/module-distutils.core.html) in doc/python2.4-doc. |
| 15:54.01 | shingouz | giupy: make the drivers to access your root filesystem static in the kernel and you are fine. ide, pci, filesystem sorts of things |
| 15:54.12 | greycat | what the *hell*...? |
| 15:54.13 | krezel | Sorry for being a blog whore, but does anybody know any decent Debian blogs? DebianPlanet just isn't cutting it anymore |
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| 15:54.16 | PerfDave | Morti: Sounds like you'd be better off just changing the initscripts. |
| 15:54.22 | bob2 | krezel: planet debian? |
| 15:54.24 | sparr_ | bob2: that indicates to me that you have upgraded xlibmesa-gl-dev since the last timeyou upgraded nvidia-glx (if you use nvidia). if you run anything linked against libGL.so youre going to get shit for graphics |
| 15:54.29 | PerfDave | krezel: http://www.debian-administration.org/ has an RSS feed :) |
| 15:54.30 | giupy | shingouz, i'll try thanks |
| 15:54.34 | xtension | Morti use the runlevel command |
| 15:54.36 | sparr_ | bob2: i just had that exact same problem |
| 15:54.42 | bob2 | sparr_: er, you're being very very nvidia-centric here |
| 15:54.45 | Morti | xtension: And is that safe to do in an rcS script? |
| 15:55.02 | bob2 | sparr_: I'm really quite sure the nvidia packages dpkg-divert the mesa one out of the way |
| 15:55.04 | krezel | hah nice |
| 15:55.05 | sparr_ | bob2: i dont have an ati system to test with, but i guess they have to provide a libGL.so too? |
| 15:55.07 | krezel | thanks PerfDave |
| 15:55.08 | bob2 | let me download the source package and check |
| 15:55.14 | shingouz | giupy: just make sure you have everything the kernel needs to acccess the root fs static and it will work, forget one and you will have a kernel panic |
| 15:55.16 | xtension | Morti or type it on the commandline |
| 15:55.25 | greycat | !google++ |
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| 15:55.41 | giupy | shingouz, eh i know that :) |
| 15:55.44 | Morti | xtension: You missed the point, this has to be done in an automated startup script which is run before the runlevel is set anyway. |
| 15:55.47 | sparr_ | bob2: i dont know what dpkg-divert means. when i install nvidia-glx my /usr/lib/libGL.so symlink gets adjusted from /usr/lib/X11R6/libGL.so.something to /usr/lib/libGL.so.nvidiaversion |
| 15:55.57 | xtension | Morti then do it |
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| 15:56.15 | bob2 | sparr_: dpkg-divert means it moves the mesa libGL to libGL.so.dpkg-divert or such |
| 15:56.17 | sparr_ | bob2: but when i install xlibmesa-gl-dev (i think), those symlinks get moved back. the two packages continue to fight over them |
| 15:56.20 | Anthro | Morti: If you're clever and there aren't too many tasks, you can have init level 2 figure out what task to perform, then telinit the right init level for that task. |
| 15:56.21 | bob2 | sparr_: ls -l /usr/lib/*GL*div* |
| 15:56.34 | sparr_ | doesnt exist |
| 15:56.44 | gjaouen | gu : until now i didn't take the risk of reebooting the server, so i'm not sure. |
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| 15:57.10 | bob2 | sparr_: you're using the debian nvidia packages? |
| 15:57.20 | Morti | So would it make more sense to have this script run as the first script in runlevel2 and have it decide whether or not to switch right then to runlevel 3? |
| 15:57.26 | greycat | oooh, /me gets ready for the larting |
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| 15:57.54 | PerfDave | Morti: I think it'd just make more sense not to use runlevels for this. |
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| 15:58.06 | xtension | Morti prob theres another solution to what you are trying to accomplish |
| 15:58.09 | sparr_ | bob2: yes, nvidia-glx in particular is the one thats fighting with mesa over the symlinks |
| 15:58.15 | jak | hi. is it possible for a process to "fork out" of a chroot? |
| 15:58.28 | bob2 | jak: if it runs as root, yes |
| 15:58.48 | xtension | Morti you can switch runlevel at runtime or select a runlevel at boot |
| 15:59.05 | greycat | or you can read "man inittab" |
| 15:59.08 | jak | bob2: ok, thanks |
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| 15:59.17 | gu | gjaouen: so exim doesn't work, and you want to start it, and it doesn't, but i still don't know if the error comes from your edited /etc/init.d/exim or from the (in/mis)existence of the binary |
| 15:59.19 | gjaouen | gu : it's strange as the dependencies seems to be good |
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| 15:59.41 | Subvertir | jak, there are a lot of exploits that show how to do this |
| 15:59.41 | xtension | Morti and the command is not runlevel but init x excuse me |
| 15:59.51 | Morti | Yeah, ta. |
| 15:59.58 | jak | Subvertir: so chroot is completely for nothing? |
| 16:00.05 | greycat | what the FUCK does this thing want now? ``Setting up python2.2-dev (2.2.1-4.7) ...'' ...fine... `` File "./setup.py", line 8, in ? from distutils.core import setup, Extension ImportError: No module named distutils.core'' |
| 16:00.06 | Anthro | Morti: I'd make it the last script of runlevel 2, not the first. |
| 16:00.07 | bob2 | jak: it's fine for user processes |
| 16:00.08 | greycat | jak: it's for NON ROOT THINGS. |
| 16:00.13 | bob2 | jak: just don't run things as root inside it |
| 16:00.13 | greycat | jak: like, say, ALL OF YOUR DAEMONS. |
| 16:00.22 | PerfDave | Morti: Why not have your rc.S set various environment variables (TASK_WEBSERVER for example), and have your initscripts check these variables when run? |
| 16:00.24 | Anthro | Morti: Maybe the only script for runlevel 2 |
| 16:00.26 | jak | bob2: yes, yes of course... |
| 16:00.28 | greycat | because you wouldn't be stupid enough to run daemons as root, right? |
| 16:00.34 | _gentgeen_ | Why would Aptitude what to remove soooo many of my apps since sarge went to stable? |
| 16:00.40 | xtension | PerfDave because its not smart ? |
| 16:00.40 | jak | greycat: yeah... |
| 16:00.41 | Morti | Anthro: Hmm, that's a point. |
| 16:00.49 | citral | greycat: wayttd ? |
| 16:00.58 | PerfDave | xtension: Seems a lot smarter than trying to use runlevels for something they're not designed for :) |
| 16:01.07 | PerfDave | xtension: More extensible, easier to configure... ;) |
| 16:01.13 | gjaouen | gu : is ther a command to check the configuration of all packages in one command ? |
| 16:01.22 | xtension | PerfDave i would say use init in a script to change runlevels at runtime |
| 16:01.42 | PerfDave | xtension: Well, yes, that's what you have been saying. I'm suggesting something that seems simpler and cleaner. |
| 16:01.53 | xtension | PerfDave or set a runlevel to boot of |
| 16:01.56 | Morti | What are the extra multiuser runlevels for, then? |
| 16:02.00 | greycat | citral: I'm trying to overwrite LILO on a laptop that has WinXP. WinXP can't. Sarge netinstall can't. Woody full CD #1 can't. So I figured I'd download Knoppix. Can't connect to the tracker from my sarge box. Thought I'd try it from my woody box, which is routable. No bittornado or bittorrent. So now I'm trying to build a backport of bittornado on a woody box. |
| 16:02.15 | PerfDave | xtension: Except that's not dynamic, so isn't what Morti is trying to acheive. |
| 16:02.16 | greycat | svr1a:/var/tmp/bittornado-0.3.11# debian/rules binary |
| 16:02.25 | greycat | blah blah blah ... ImportError: No module named distutils.core |
| 16:02.32 | Anthro | Morti: they can be perverted for various uses. In general, though, they are historical. |
| 16:02.35 | xtension | PerfDave the way im saying is very dynamic |
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| 16:02.42 | PerfDave | greycat: You know, if you'd used wget, you'd have it by now ;) |
| 16:02.43 | Morti | I choose to pervert. ;) |
| 16:02.48 | PerfDave | xtension: No it isn't. |
| 16:02.48 | citral | greycat: hum, I think it would want python 2.3 |
| 16:02.51 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: check your sources.list and if it looks ok, be on the safe side and do the same for /etc/apt/preferences, i heard someone had a similar problem last night and the solution was in preferences for some reason |
| 16:02.55 | greycat | citral: FUCK! |
| 16:02.57 | chacho | hey i just dist-upgraded to sid and now all my gnome menus are gone |
| 16:03.03 | greycat | citral: (guess what else woody ain't got...) |
| 16:03.08 | PerfDave | chacho: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 16:03.12 | gu | gjaouen: dpkg-reconfigure --all (man dpkg-reconfigure would help, though) |
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| 16:03.16 | PerfDave | greycat: Is there not a backport of bittorrent at backports.org? |
| 16:03.17 | chacho | thanks |
| 16:03.18 | _gentgeen_ | shingouz, thanks, I'll look |
| 16:03.23 | citral | greycat: sarge has become stable, you know :) |
| 16:03.24 | streuner | dpkg, info pyhton2.3 woody |
| 16:03.29 | gjaouen | gu : thank i'll try it |
| 16:03.29 | Anthro | Morti: I'm assuming this is some kind of redundant server thing where you image many machines in the same way then change just one file to customize. Is that correct? |
| 16:03.43 | xtension | PerfDave you boot into a certain runlevel and give all scripts a change to do thier task and then switch to whatever runlevel is very dynamic |
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| 16:04.00 | _gentgeen_ | shingouz, will source.list is fine, and I do not have a preferences file |
| 16:04.06 | streuner | greycat: upgrade to sarge |
| 16:04.13 | _gentgeen_ | s/will/well |
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| 16:04.19 | sparr_ | would it be appropriate to file a bug report against a kernel image/source package about a known kernel bug? |
| 16:04.20 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: hm... |
| 16:04.24 | PerfDave | xtension: Except you have to specify it at boot time, you have a finite number of runlevels to play with, and things will keep starting and stopping as you change runlevels. |
| 16:04.31 | bowman | heya. anyone know a GUI LaTeX editor similar to kile but withoud KDE dependencies? |
| 16:04.37 | streuner | greycat: pretty painless |
| 16:04.38 | asg | bowman: lyx |
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| 16:04.43 | xtension | PerfDave thats how things work yes |
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| 16:04.49 | asg | bowman: sorry, nevermind |
| 16:05.04 | PerfDave | xtension: So my suggestion is more extensible and more sensible :) |
| 16:05.09 | _gentgeen_ | When I do an "aptitute -dist-upgrade" everything is fine (all packages seem up to date, nothing to remove) |
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| 16:05.13 | asg | bowman: try texmacs |
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| 16:05.34 | xtension | PerfDave you say to select a runlevel at boot ? |
| 16:05.42 | bowman | s/withoud/without/g :) asg: I've tested lyx several times, not really my flavour... texmacs? will look :) thx |
| 16:05.42 | PerfDave | xtension: No, I didn't say that. You said that. |
| 16:05.45 | _gentgeen_ | but then when I do aptitude with the GUI and type "g" it gives me this HUGE list of "Packages to be removed" |
| 16:05.51 | xtension | PerfDave eheh |
| 16:06.03 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: if your sources.list says 'stable' you do not need to dist-upgrade |
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| 16:06.21 | _gentgeen_ | source list says "testing" |
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| 16:06.39 | _gentgeen_ | and always has |
| 16:06.40 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: same in that case, upgrade is enough |
| 16:06.49 | greycat | what the hell *now*.... the version of bittornado on backports.org doesn't have the same options! |
| 16:06.52 | PerfDave | _gentgeen_: Do you want to run etch, or do you want to run sarge? |
| 16:06.57 | greycat | svr1a:/dsk/1/tmp/greg$ btlaunchmanycurses . --max_upload 256 |
| 16:06.57 | greycat | error: unknown key --max_upload |
| 16:07.01 | daft | Im trying to connect my pocketpc to the wetowrk with pand but I cant create a bnep interface |
| 16:07.09 | daft | network* |
| 16:07.10 | _gentgeen_ | PerfDave, etch -- what to stay with testing |
| 16:07.14 | xtension | daft o k |
| 16:07.15 | petemc | isnt it --max_upload_rate ? |
| 16:07.31 | petemc | oh, thats btdownloadcurses |
| 16:07.36 | citral | greycat: oh just forget it go to http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/knoppix/ |
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| 16:07.46 | xtension | daft now in english please |
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| 16:07.59 | greycat | oh never mind... it's max_upload_rate. Too bad there's no way to communicate such things to the end user. Wouldn't it be nice if there were ... I dunno.... some sort of MANUAL PAGES ... that had, y'know, DOCUMENTATION in them? |
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| 16:08.08 | citral | greycat: and it's max_upload_rate ;) |
| 16:08.12 | daft | Im trying to connect my pocketpc with bluez to the network with pand but I cant create a bnep interface |
| 16:08.46 | nvz | hmm I just figured out the solution to my problem . . . |
| 16:08.50 | bowman | greycat: I've been angry about the lack of docs for bittorrent many times too :-) |
| 16:08.59 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | would debian be good for a system running a 933 mHz celeron and 64 mb ram ? |
| 16:09.07 | daft | xtension: every thing is explained but i cant make a bnep interface tcp/ip over bluetooth |
| 16:09.08 | asg | Pop_pa_FrEaK: of course |
| 16:09.11 | bowman | Pop_pa_FrEaK: sure |
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| 16:09.18 | greycat | now we'll see whether the woody box on the routable IP can do it. I doubt it. But we must try. |
| 16:09.26 | shingouz | Pop_pa_FrEaK: yes, get a bit more ram on it though |
| 16:09.27 | _gentgeen_ | Pop_pa_FrEaK, Debian is good for ALL systems :-) |
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| 16:09.29 | greycat | I'd *still* like to know why my attempt to build the backport failed, though. |
| 16:09.32 | bowman | Pop_pa_FrEaK: if you stick some more RAM into it, it will even run like a lightning ;) |
| 16:09.41 | xtension | daft i have never heard about a bnep interface |
| 16:09.47 | Vantage | what's the apt command to get all build dependencies for a package? |
| 16:09.54 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | looking for a distro to throw on my secondary pc to try out |
| 16:09.57 | greycat | apt-get build-dep |
| 16:10.03 | dee_dee | helo |
| 16:10.05 | Vantage | greycat: thanks |
| 16:10.13 | singe | anyone here had a look at hula? |
| 16:10.15 | shingouz | Pop_pa_FrEaK: you are in #debian, guess what we recommend? ;) |
| 16:10.20 | daft | xtension: ever connected a bluetooth tcp/ip connection? |
| 16:10.22 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | lol |
| 16:10.24 | Morti | Anthro: Yeah, pretty much. |
| 16:10.26 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | shingouz, |
| 16:10.32 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 16:10.35 | rvalles | err |
| 16:10.39 | rvalles | I'm quite lost |
| 16:10.43 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | downloading the net install now |
| 16:10.46 | shingouz | daft: lets see now, what is pand? |
| 16:10.49 | rvalles | Where are the boot floppy images? |
| 16:10.50 | xtension | daft yeah , i am reading about it just now |
| 16:10.58 | greycat | installing python2.1-dev instead of python2.2-dev got past *that* one, but now it dies on a dh_desktop command. So it's got the wrong version of debhelper. |
| 16:10.59 | shingouz | !sarge floppies |
| 16:10.59 | dpkg | sarge floppies is, like, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 16:11.03 | abrotman | !sarge f |
| 16:11.04 | xtension | daft did you goolge ? |
| 16:11.04 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:11.10 | shingouz | hah |
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| 16:11.25 | abrotman | greycat: you can do that ? |
| 16:11.29 | daft | ofc i did google and every thing is the same |
| 16:11.54 | daft | only I dont have a bnep |
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| 16:12.07 | greycat | commenting out dh_desktop in debian/rules leads to "cp: cannot stat `usr/bin/btcompletedir.bittornado': No such file or directory" |
| 16:12.13 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | so tired of windows and net trojans that want to have linux on both my pc's |
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| 16:12.25 | gu | hey laclasse :) |
| 16:12.27 | Anthro | Morti: You might consider making the file that gets modified the lilo.conf file. Have the same kernel listed many times in the lilo.conf with different runlevels appended. Give each one a meaningful name. Then when you want a machine to suit a particular purpose, you just change which one is the default in the lilo.conf and run lilo again. This frees up runlevel 2 to be a useful runlevel. |
| 16:12.29 | xtension | can you ping the bnep ifnterface from the localmachine ? |
| 16:12.33 | shingouz | daft: synce is what a book from o'reilly suggests? |
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| 16:12.56 | bob2 | greycat: that's whack |
| 16:13.02 | Morti | Anthro: Ideally I'd like to be able to switch runlevels without rebooting. |
| 16:13.06 | rvalles | 05-Mar-2005 |
| 16:13.10 | rvalles | are they this old? |
| 16:13.22 | rvalles | well, I guess they are |
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| 16:13.38 | xtension | daft did you use ifconfig to see if the iface is up ? |
| 16:13.42 | Anthro | Morti: You still can. You make each runlevel contain the appropriate scripts (K and S links). This just makes it easier to boot to the right one. |
| 16:14.17 | Morti | But the right one isn't known until during booting. |
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| 16:14.19 | Anthro | Morti: You can then run telinit (which is really just init) with whatever runlevel at runtime. If you're feeling clever, you can write a script around it so you can pick the purpose from a list. |
| 16:14.35 | masoft | I added UNSTABLE to my sources.list ... now how can I upgrade just Gnome ? |
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| 16:14.40 | daft | xtension: ofc i did im not a linux n00b |
| 16:14.42 | bob2 | masoft: you can't, easily |
| 16:14.56 | masoft | bob2: so I must upgrade all of my linux ?! |
| 16:14.59 | Morti | Do you just mean have the selection script in an obscure runlevel and make that the default runlevel called by parameters in lilo? |
| 16:15.06 | bob2 | masoft: no |
| 16:15.06 | shingouz | masoft: just one question, why did you put unstable there? |
| 16:15.09 | daft | the mudule bnep is compiled in the kernel and it isnt there |
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| 16:15.22 | masoft | shingouz: I want to have Gnome 2.10 instead of 2.8 |
| 16:15.29 | shingouz | daft: static or module? |
| 16:15.45 | Anthro | Morti: Nononono. You need to boot into something. Unless the purpose of the machine is dynamically determined over the network or something, the default purpose of the machine is sitting on the disk. It might as well be in the MBR as the LILO default. |
| 16:16.01 | shingouz | masoft: you did read the sid faq i hope |
| 16:16.04 | Morti | Default purpose is dynamically determined over the network. ;) |
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| 16:16.18 | giupy | do i need NFS in kernel if i don't have a network? |
| 16:16.28 | masoft | bob2: I have sarge and just want to have gnome 2.10 instead of 2.8. what can I do ? |
| 16:16.30 | shingouz | giupy: no |
| 16:16.36 | greycat | do I need a gas can if I don't have a car or a lawn mower? |
| 16:16.37 | giupy | shingouz, k thanks |
| 16:16.45 | shingouz | giupy: just let it sit there as a module, doesnt hurt |
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| 16:16.59 | Anthro | Morti: Ah. That complicates things. Not tremendously, though. Does runlevel 1 (single-user) bring up networking? I forget. |
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| 16:17.05 | OldakQuill | Hey, I'm going to install the latest stable using a CD ISO. 14 ISOs are listed with the name "binary-x" where x is a number. Do I only need "binary-1"? |
| 16:17.11 | anhi | masoft: try looking for apt pinning (apt-get install package/unstable) |
| 16:17.14 | greycat | !d-i OldakQuill |
| 16:17.15 | dpkg | OldakQuill, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:17.21 | Morti | Anthro: Yeah, it does. |
| 16:17.33 | Chetic | I tried to install the new ATi drivers.. it seemed to work just fine but I get this error when trying to run GL applications: "glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" please help |
| 16:17.44 | masoft | anhi: there is no problem that now Gnome 2.8 is available ?! |
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| 16:18.00 | bob2 | Chetic: dude |
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| 16:18.08 | Chetic | bob2, leave me alone! |
| 16:18.11 | bob2 | Chetic: just ask on the ubuntu user list already, like I suggest an hour ago |
| 16:18.17 | bob2 | Chetic: you'r wasting your tie and everyone else's |
| 16:18.26 | Anthro | Morti: So make the last script of runlevel 1 do the check over the network and call telinit from that. If it can't get anything from the network it should not change runlevels and should boot single-user. |
| 16:18.33 | anhi | masoft: i just remember that in the latest DWN gnome 2.10 is in unstable, not more, not less (i only use fluxbox or sometimes kde) |
| 16:18.48 | PerfDave | Chetic: If you're using Ubuntu, #debian is not the right place to ask questions. Debian is not Ubuntu. |
| 16:18.49 | bob2 | Chetic: plus, asking for ubuntu help here is a bad idea |
| 16:18.54 | Anthro | Morti: And your default boot should be to runlevel 1. |
| 16:19.00 | Chetic | bob2, thanks.. fucking asshole |
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| 16:19.02 | Morti | Anthro: Yep, think that's the best solution. Cheers. |
| 16:19.10 | bob2 | good god |
| 16:19.13 | Ungy | bob2 what a nice guy |
| 16:19.16 | bob2 | glad I spent an hour trying to help him/her |
| 16:19.18 | bob2 | cock |
| 16:19.33 | rvalles | hmmm, now there are just 4 install floppies. one of them is cd-drivers. If I don't need CD support, I don't need it either, true? |
| 16:20.11 | giupy | greycat, i don't know what i relly need, for example UNIX domain sockets: 'y' if not X dosn't start....right? |
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| 16:20.17 | Ungy | rvalles no cd-rom? |
| 16:20.22 | rvalles | Ungy: yeah |
| 16:20.35 | zinx | giupy: why are you compiling your own kernel? :E |
| 16:20.45 | rvalles | zinx: why not? |
| 16:20.58 | Anthro | !kernel why not |
| 16:20.59 | zinx | rvalles: because he doesn't have any idea what he's doing. |
| 16:21.01 | Ungy | rvalles well you probably don't need it but I am not posotive my guess would be try it and see |
| 16:21.01 | PerfDave | bob2: +q in #debian? |
| 16:21.03 | giupy | zinx, i have a trouble with cpu freq scaling |
| 16:21.12 | rvalles | zinx: well, he will never learn if he doesn't try. |
| 16:21.18 | zinx | giupy: there's probably a kernel command line option for that |
| 16:21.27 | zinx | rvalles: that doesn't mean he will learn if he tries |
| 16:21.31 | bob2 | PerfDave: he/she won't come back |
| 16:21.35 | Ungy | rvalles compiling kernel isn;t the best thign to start with |
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| 16:21.36 | bob2 | he'll flame me and whinge to someone |
| 16:21.42 | greycat | giupy: USE A FUCKING DEBIAN KERNEL IMAGE |
| 16:21.47 | greycat | !tell giupy about custom kernel |
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| 16:21.50 | greycat | !tell giupy about debian kernel image |
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| 16:22.08 | rvalles | Ungy: I did that the second day... just following some guide (5yr ago) |
| 16:22.25 | kokkoo | hi, has anyone got a sample mrtg pleas?e :) |
| 16:22.36 | Ungy | rvalles you are an exception to the rule then |
| 16:22.53 | rvalles | Ungy: came from amiga/amigaos, not pc/windows |
| 16:23.18 | Ungy | rvalles ahh explains it |
| 16:23.26 | valdyn | giupy: why do you think that recompiling will help *anything* ? |
| 16:23.45 | giupy | valdyn, i remove all cpufreq staff |
| 16:24.01 | valdyn | giupy: and ? |
| 16:24.19 | shingouz | giupy: no, just blacklist it if it is some kind of a module and use the debian image |
| 16:24.28 | giupy | vaaldy i want to see if the prob is it |
| 16:24.46 | valdyn | giupy: last i check any kind of cpu freq scaling is _off_ by default in debian kernel images and debian systems |
| 16:24.54 | giupy | localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 16:25.03 | masoft | I added unstable to my sources.list. then I did apt-get update. now when I write apt-get install gnome, it will 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed and 0 removed and 460 not upgraded. how can I install gnome from unstable mirror ? (I use Sarge) |
| 16:25.07 | giupy | i still have that msg |
| 16:25.11 | valdyn | giupy: so you system is overheating? |
| 16:25.15 | valdyn | giupy: so your system is overheating? |
| 16:25.26 | giupy | giupy, for using xchat and xterm ? |
| 16:25.50 | PerfDave | masoft: IYHTAYS |
| 16:25.54 | PerfDave | masoft: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:26.04 | masoft | !IYHTAYS |
| 16:26.04 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 16:26.18 | Anthro | rvalles: I, too, compiled a working kernel very soon after installing Debian. That said, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't doing kernel development or working on weird or underpowered hardware. |
| 16:26.19 | valdyn | giupy: sure, maybe, p4 produce heat even idle, and if you cooling system sucks enough it will throttle down by itself, that kernel only _notices_ that, it doesnt do it |
| 16:26.46 | giupy | valdyn, and i can i solve it ? |
| 16:26.59 | greycat | OK, apparently bit torrent is *right out* for me. This one's not connecting either. |
| 16:27.01 | rvalles | Anthro: I like my kernel small, without stuff I don't need. I like my kernel tailored for my machine. |
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| 16:27.16 | zinx | greycat: maybe your ISP is blocking it |
| 16:27.23 | greycat | Is there any sort of SMALL general purpose Linux rescue CD that has lilo and grub on it, which can just overwrite the MBR with a nice small sane easy LILO configuration? |
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| 16:27.33 | greycat | zinx: yes, that is my assumption, the "ISP" being work. |
| 16:27.43 | zinx | greycat: everyone knows bittorrent is an illegal network that distributes copyrighted movies |
| 16:27.52 | greycat | zinx: yes, I'm quite aware. |
| 16:27.58 | zinx | /o\ |
| 16:28.07 | PerfDave | greycat: tomsrtbt? |
| 16:28.07 | Anthro | rvalles: That's nice for you. It's more pain than it's worth for most people, however. And the vast majority of people coming to #debian with questions about compiling the kernel have no need nor reason for doing so. |
| 16:28.14 | valdyn | giupy: i dont know if *you* can, but my main point is that its silly to recompile a kernel just for the sake of recompiling while the error source is likely something else.. |
| 16:28.18 | greycat | PerfDave: does that come in CD flavors now? |
| 16:28.25 | PerfDave | greycat: You could just burn the ISO to a CD :) |
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| 16:28.32 | greycat | PerfDave: what ISO? |
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| 16:28.37 | funzo11 | hi all |
| 16:28.46 | valdyn | giupy: check you cpu temperature, see if your cooling system is ok, replace it, whatever.. |
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| 16:28.48 | PerfDave | greycat: Well, the floppy .img |
| 16:28.51 | paulswm | greycat: I use this one for cd-based admin stuff, it is very good: http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 16:28.52 | giupy | valdyn, now i know it, but my pc still go slowly for that prob |
| 16:29.00 | PerfDave | rvalles: Debian kernel-images *are* tailored for your machine. They're modular, so you don't run anything you don't need. |
| 16:29.04 | funzo11 | an newbie on debian need help please |
| 16:29.05 | shingouz | vox: lemme guess, you are on sid now. that is what happens when you use sid |
| 16:29.15 | shingouz | !tell funzo11 about ask |
| 16:29.16 | Anthro | !tell funzo11 about ask |
| 16:29.25 | Anthro | shingouz: Jinx! |
| 16:29.30 | rvalles | PerfDave: since they boot, I guess there's some IDE and FS bloat there already ;P |
| 16:29.34 | shingouz | Anthro: pbbblt :p |
| 16:29.41 | bob2 | I wish the BBC archived all the Essential Mixes |
| 16:29.45 | PerfDave | rvalles: Eh? |
| 16:29.46 | funzo11 | please tell me how do istart a graphical interface on dabian 3.1 like kde after login? |
| 16:29.49 | rvalles | PerfDave: I don't need support for IDE adapters I don't have, or FSs I don't use. |
| 16:29.55 | XTF | I've got an old system without CDD or FDD but with network. What's the easiest way to get Sarge on there? |
| 16:29.57 | PerfDave | rvalles: And you don't have them. |
| 16:29.59 | shingouz | funzo11: did you install it? |
| 16:30.02 | krezel | We should all just run Gentoo and compile everything optimized for our machine *dons flamesuit* |
| 16:30.06 | rvalles | PerfDave: how does the kernel boot, then? |
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| 16:30.10 | PerfDave | XTF: Install a floppy or a CD drive. |
| 16:30.12 | PerfDave | rvalles: initrd :) |
| 16:30.14 | krezel | rvalles: Initrd |
| 16:30.18 | greycat | paulswm: thank you. that looks just about perfect. |
| 16:30.19 | shingouz | !gentoosmite krezel |
| 16:30.23 | rvalles | evl. |
| 16:30.27 | krezel | haha |
| 16:30.31 | XTF | PerfDave: I'd rather not. Any other options? |
| 16:30.34 | shingouz | i just love that smite |
| 16:30.45 | PerfDave | XTF: What's on this old system? Have you tried reading the Installation Manual? |
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| 16:30.49 | OldakQuill | Is porting with FreeBSD kernel ever going to be official and stable? |
| 16:30.53 | rvalles | PerfDave: if I decide not to use initrd... stuff will still work, right? |
| 16:31.03 | Anthro | OldakQuill: I think you mean NetBSD. |
| 16:31.05 | valdyn | XTF: remove the harddisk, insert it into a different computer, install debian, put it back |
| 16:31.08 | PerfDave | rvalles: For fuck's sake, just use a Debian kernel-image and be done with it. |
| 16:31.16 | masoft | PerfDave: the link of SID FAQ is broken |
| 16:31.20 | XTF | PerfDave: Eh, there used to be RH6, 7, 8 or 9. But that's broken after my previous attempt to install SArge. |
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| 16:31.23 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 16:31.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 16:31.31 | OldakQuill | yeah |
| 16:31.33 | greycat | works for me. |
| 16:31.40 | greycat | are you on a linux 2.6.8 or higher kernel? |
| 16:31.42 | valdyn | XTF: provided that the harddisks device file ( like /dev/hda ) is the same across both machines that will work np |
| 16:31.46 | Anthro | rvalles: Oh, no, my kernel is bloated with 18k of ext3 and IDE support! GASP! |
| 16:31.46 | shingouz | worked for me too a couple of hours ago |
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| 16:31.55 | PerfDave | XTF: So it doesn't boot at all? You're pretty stuffed, unless you do something like valdyn said with debootstrap. |
| 16:32.02 | paulswm | greycat: I've used it for saving and resizing ntfs partitons over my network, wiping the HD and recovering the htfs partiton, it is great. It will automatically configure dhcp ethernet, but doesn't have wireless. |
| 16:32.14 | masoft | not works for me ! |
| 16:32.17 | greycat | are you on a linux 2.6.8 or higher kernel? |
| 16:32.22 | masoft | yes |
| 16:32.23 | funzo11 | shingouz: yes i install it with network install, everything is fine i set an rootpassword and an user and then i log in but now i dont know what to do to go to the graphical interface like kde |
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| 16:32.28 | greycat | then perhaps my ISP's router still has that bug. |
| 16:32.31 | shingouz | masoft: basically the whole page is full of *don't* |
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| 16:32.38 | greycat | !window scaling |
| 16:32.39 | dpkg | i guess window scaling is http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/ -> if you're having problems connecting to some sites with Linux kernels later than 2.6.7, read this. |
| 16:32.51 | shingouz | funzo11: the question is did you install kde? |
| 16:32.54 | rvalles | Anthro: I couldn't sleep! :O |
| 16:32.59 | PerfDave | funzo11: apt-get install kdm kde-core |
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| 16:33.05 | bob2 | lots of routers do |
| 16:33.11 | masoft | shingouz: I just want to upgrade my Gnome from 2.8 to 2.10 ! I know the risks too ! how can I do that ? |
| 16:33.39 | PerfDave | masoft: If you can't work out how to go from Stable to Unstable, you really dont' want to be running unstable. |
| 16:33.47 | PerfDave | masoft: (hint: apt-get upgrade won't do it) |
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| 16:33.52 | rvalles | Anthro: distros nowadays do everything for you... but building my own kernel is this little thing I still always do on my own... just because I like it :) |
| 16:33.53 | funzo11 | hmm, agood question ;-) i do installing for a desktop system is it included, or another graphical interface? i dont know |
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| 16:33.55 | shingouz | masoft: if you have paid any attention to the channel in the past day or so you would know that gnome is borked in sid at the moment |
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| 16:34.10 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:34.18 | greycat | 12:34 jjg|#Qmail> anyone here familiar with maildir format? |
| 16:34.19 | krezel | shingouz: He could always run 2.10 from experimental ;) |
| 16:34.20 | greycat | hahahahahaha |
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| 16:34.29 | Anthro | rvalles: Gee, I just shuffle cards to relax. But whatever gives you that tingle. |
| 16:34.43 | PerfDave | funzo11: If you selected the Desktop Environment task, you should have the stuff you need installed, but it's not working; /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 16:34.46 | shingouz | krezel: that is a good idea :p |
| 16:35.05 | masoft | PerfDave: as I said, I don't want completely upgrade to SID ! it's why I don't want run apt-get upgrade ! |
| 16:35.09 | pack | greycat: isn't that some sort of xml enabled echange driven backed data server? |
| 16:35.10 | Anthro | rvalles: Anyway, it doesn't matter what you do. What matters is that 99% of the time, compiling the kernel (or allowing someone to proceed with compiling a kernel) is the wrong choice. |
| 16:35.23 | greycat | masoft: if you continue on the path you have chosen, you WILL be running a broken box. |
| 16:35.31 | funzo11 | ok, i try thx alot |
| 16:35.37 | greycat | masoft: sid would be LESS broken than what you are attempting to do. |
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| 16:35.57 | shingouz | funzo11: do you usuallyt speak german? |
| 16:36.04 | shingouz | s/usuallyt/usually |
| 16:36.05 | rvalles | my god... framebuffer... |
| 16:36.07 | albo | when i run apt-file update, it gets 404 on http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/Contents-i386.gz |
| 16:36.08 | greycat | pack: you forgot "paradigm"! |
| 16:36.13 | rvalles | and chinese characters in the installer, cool. |
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| 16:36.16 | EdibleText | rvalles, then dont load those modules :) |
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| 16:36.22 | paulswm | what greycat said. Using sid as a working distro is risky, but mixing distros can lead to system death. |
| 16:36.35 | EdibleText | rvalles, oops.. :) my buffer was stuck |
| 16:36.45 | bob2 | well |
| 16:36.48 | bob2 | it's bad for newbies |
| 16:36.49 | funzo11 | <shingouz>: yes i speak german |
| 16:36.56 | bob2 | but I'd be impressed if you actually broken it by doing that |
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| 16:36.59 | greycat | ok! Next Impossible Task: find a blank CD-R. |
| 16:37.00 | shingouz | funzo11: in that case.. |
| 16:37.02 | shingouz | !de |
| 16:37.02 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 16:37.07 | thoron | Unstable is fine for desktop if you don't care is something brokes time to time. |
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| 16:37.08 | shingouz | funzo11: ^^^ |
| 16:37.09 | paulswm | That's what I meant, bob2 |
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| 16:37.35 | paulswm | thoron: And that's exactly what I meant by 'risky". |
| 16:37.36 | BK | shingouz, remmeber you told me to "hack" the resolv.conf file, so i could apt-get and such ? |
| 16:37.52 | shingouz | BK: yup |
| 16:38.02 | shingouz | and? |
| 16:38.03 | BK | now, how do i get the "hack" to stay in the resolv.conf file ? |
| 16:38.19 | shingouz | the new dns? |
| 16:38.24 | BK | yes |
| 16:38.29 | valdyn | BK: why is it not staying? |
| 16:38.37 | BK | it changes back from time to time |
| 16:38.38 | kaimis | nameserver = <IP> |
| 16:38.42 | shingouz | BK: are you still running static ip or did you go dhcp? |
| 16:38.47 | EdibleText | BK, you could edit /etc/dhclient.conf if you use dhclient |
| 16:38.51 | valdyn | BK: dpkg -l | grep resolvconf |
| 16:39.02 | thoron | Now that development has started full speed, unstable surely is most likely get broken now. |
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| 16:39.24 | funzo11 | thx for help i got to #debian.de |
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| 16:39.47 | concept10 | is there gnome 2.10 in sarge? |
| 16:39.57 | pack | nope, only 2.8 |
| 16:39.58 | greycat | no |
| 16:40.00 | paulswm | concept10: No |
| 16:40.03 | valdyn | BK: now if resolvconf is installed run 'man resolvconf' |
| 16:40.05 | HansZ | hi, some program requires ssh.h.. the forum told me to get openssl-dev.. however I can't find any debian package for it |
| 16:40.08 | shingouz | BK: one problem may be that the dhcp server on the router is not quite what it should be |
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| 16:40.21 | valdyn | !tell HansZ about search |
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| 16:40.32 | albo | when i run apt-file update, it gets 404 on http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/Contents-i386.gz |
| 16:40.33 | concept10 | is it available (packaged) for sarge? |
| 16:40.43 | BK | i'll try and read the router manual again |
| 16:40.57 | valdyn | albo: if that debian mirror is broken, we cant fix it |
| 16:41.07 | albo | valdyn: its the same accross other one stoo |
| 16:41.31 | paulswm | concept10: doubt it, but try google. |
| 16:41.32 | valdyn | albo: so maybe that file is currently broken for testing |
| 16:42.04 | pack | where is testing pointing now etch? |
| 16:42.05 | PerfDave | HansZ: What are you compiling that requires ssh.h ? |
| 16:42.11 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 16:42.11 | HansZ | PerfDave: tmsnc |
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| 16:42.18 | streuner | concept10: it should be in a short time in etch (testing) |
| 16:42.26 | PerfDave | HansZ: What's that? |
| 16:42.28 | paulswm | pack: yes, as you would have found out from the debian web site. |
| 16:42.42 | PerfDave | HansZ: If it's not in Debian already, and you're compiling from source, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 16:42.49 | HansZ | PerfDave: text-based msn client, it's ssl.h that it required |
| 16:43.11 | tarzeau | jethro: wanna play? |
| 16:43.23 | tarzeau | $/win 3 |
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| 16:43.33 | paulswm | !beat tarzeau |
| 16:43.35 | pack | paulswm: it is the way of the internet to not actually look or read anything and focus most attention at annoying anyone with any knowlege |
| 16:43.45 | tarzeau | paulswm: you too? #bub-n-bros |
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| 16:44.05 | paulswm | pack: Yeah, hardly front page news :) |
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| 16:44.25 | HansZ | PerfDave: horay, it was libssl-dev I needed |
| 16:44.28 | paulswm | tarzeau: Nope, this is a work day, just popped in for a few minutes, have fun |
| 16:44.40 | valdyn | pack: s/knowledge/stupid question/ |
| 16:44.42 | tarzeau | paulswm: one day you'll also play |
| 16:45.28 | paulswm | tarzeau: Yeah, the same day I get trapped in an elevator with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders :P |
| 16:45.28 | HansZ | !what |
| 16:45.28 | dpkg | This! |
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| 16:46.02 | fernando | hi |
| 16:46.09 | tarzeau | paulswm: hah |
| 16:46.46 | HansZ | anyone seen the 'bb' ascii 'movie' |
| 16:46.54 | fernando | question: I have a Belkin ps/2 mouse , with scroll, but, the scroll isnt working in sarge ... what to do ? |
| 16:46.57 | paulswm | tarzeau: And jethro said he had a busy day today, by the way. |
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| 16:47.24 | tarzeau | paulswm: they talk alot, but really are so addictive that they join anyways |
| 16:47.27 | greycat | B.B. King? Berke Breathed? |
| 16:47.39 | albo | valdyn: this new release of debian3.1 does that mean all the names like sarge... are shifted one |
| 16:47.42 | tarzeau | paulswm: belive me, they can't resist if there's 5 other cute dragonies |
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| 16:47.59 | openfly | so uhm. |
| 16:47.59 | Noid | ok, i'm lost... i have two identical /etc/sudoers files in two computers, i can edit and save one of them with visudo, but the other one keeps giving me a syntax error, what should i check? /etc/hosts is the same in both cases |
| 16:48.07 | openfly | it seems 3.1 is out... |
| 16:48.12 | beware | i did an apt-get upgrade from sarge to sarge (maybe a week in between) - it wanted to upgrade lots of packages, and now i have all kinds of zombie and defunct sshd and proftpd processes |
| 16:48.14 | paulswm | albo: the distro names and explanations are on the debiag.org web site |
| 16:48.18 | openfly | but apt-get doesn't seem to believe that. |
| 16:48.20 | beware | and things dont work anymore |
| 16:48.22 | abel | can someome explain me how i compile a module to add it to my kernel ? or gimi a link where i can found it ? |
| 16:48.23 | paulswm | s/debiag/debian/ |
| 16:48.29 | openfly | did they not update the apt repositories yet? |
| 16:48.42 | beware | i did a cat /var/run/sshd.pid and that too became a zombie |
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| 16:49.02 | tarzeau | mort__: we're all waiting just for you! |
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| 16:49.48 | Langly | I see dead penguins, please make them go away. |
| 16:50.00 | HansZ | Were does apt-get put the .deb files after downloading them? |
| 16:50.13 | mort__ | HansZ: /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 16:50.18 | HansZ | mort__: ty |
| 16:50.33 | mort__ | archives rather |
| 16:50.35 | Kvant | HansZ, /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 16:50.45 | openfly | so when will the apt repositories reflect the release of satrge? |
| 16:50.45 | Lee__ | is the limit on the number of partitions the same for SATA as ATA? |
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| 16:51.29 | giupy | how can i know my cpu temperature? i have installed lm-sensors and runned sensors-detect |
| 16:51.30 | bucky | openfly, june 6th |
| 16:51.44 | valdyn | albo: sid always remains unstable so its not 'shifted' |
| 16:51.49 | mort__ | Lee__: Well, if you're using SATA with a scsi midlayer (i.e., 2.6) then you're limited to 15 partitions. |
| 16:52.00 | Lee__ | excellent. |
| 16:52.09 | tarzeau | giupy: with hddtemp you can read out harddisk temperature |
| 16:52.11 | openfly | well its june 9th right now |
| 16:52.15 | mort__ | Lee__: with SATA/IDE driver your'e limited to 63 or 64 or something. |
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| 16:52.25 | giupy | tarzeau, well but i need cpu :)) |
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| 16:52.25 | openfly | and the apt repository for stable is still 3.0 |
| 16:52.29 | Lee__ | 15 is fine |
| 16:52.53 | Lee__ | openfly: no it's not. |
| 16:52.53 | valdyn | openfly: eh? |
| 16:53.01 | streuner | openfly: look harder |
| 16:53.02 | mort__ | Does anyone know how to force DMA off on the ide-cd driver during install of Sarge? The CDrom drive that I have in one machine borks half way through the install. |
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| 16:53.12 | valdyn | openfly: maybe your mirror is broken, maybe your are using *woody*, not *stable* |
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| 16:53.23 | giupy | mort_, there is a coomand at boot for that |
| 16:53.25 | albo | is sarge still testing still 3.1 ? |
| 16:53.25 | MrBallZ | hi |
| 16:53.26 | Lee__ | mort__: dma=off ? |
| 16:53.36 | tarzeau | albo: no |
| 16:53.36 | openfly | ftp.us.debian.org/ is broken? |
| 16:53.39 | giupy | mort_, or "nodma" |
| 16:53.40 | valdyn | albo: sarge is 3.1 is stable |
| 16:53.46 | tarzeau | albo: sarge is stable now. and testing is etch. sarge is 3.1 |
| 16:53.47 | openfly | i am using stable |
| 16:53.55 | mort__ | are those guesses or is that really the arg? |
| 16:53.57 | openfly | and stable is 3.0 |
| 16:54.05 | streuner | no |
| 16:54.10 | streuner | stable is 3.1 |
| 16:54.12 | valdyn | openfly: bullshit, look at www.debian.org |
| 16:54.14 | Lee__ | mort__: guesses, it's documented in the bootloader help menus |
| 16:54.16 | streuner | !sarge |
| 16:54.17 | dpkg | well, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me install debian, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 16:54.18 | openfly | not according to apt. |
| 16:54.21 | MrBallZ | question: Just installed Sarge, but my Belkin PS/2 Mouse's scroll wont work , which one should I select in Xserver-Xfree86 configuration ??? |
| 16:54.27 | openfly | I am running apt-get update |
| 16:54.33 | valdyn | openfly: /msg dpkg whine |
| 16:54.33 | openfly | and its not updating anything new |
| 16:54.44 | streuner | openfly: /j |
| 16:54.48 | streuner | openfly: /j #flood |
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| 16:54.57 | bucky | openfly, put sarge in your sources.list |
| 16:55.00 | mort__ | Lee__: ah, okay. thanks. |
| 16:55.14 | Nexus | Anyone in here have their hosts.allow hosts.deny working? I tried it out but it didn't seem to block anything... Not sure how to make it work. |
| 16:55.14 | openfly | bucky tried that too |
| 16:55.24 | bucky | you need a new repos |
| 16:55.27 | bob2 | Nexus: it on;y affects programs using libwrapper |
| 16:55.38 | GodFather | Can anybody exlplain why this line: "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main" in my /etc/apt/source.list now generates an error whereas it worked for weeks and months prior? Thank you |
| 16:55.48 | Lee__ | openfly: sheesh, read this: http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.en.html |
| 16:55.55 | valdyn | GodFather: replace testing with 'sarge' |
| 16:55.55 | bob2 | GodFather: replace the word "testing" with "sarge" |
| 16:56.02 | bob2 | GodFather: it's because testing doesn't get security updates |
| 16:56.10 | valdyn | GodFather: testing does _not_ usually get security updates, testing is "etch" now |
| 16:56.13 | bob2 | it happened to for a few weeks before sarge came out, but it doesn't now |
| 16:56.22 | GodFather | but it used to, did it not? |
| 16:56.33 | Nexus | bob2, I want it to help block stuff for sshd. I've seen examples for it used in this way, but it's not working. Is there something else I have to do in sshd_config to get it to interact with it? |
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| 16:56.36 | streuner | openfly: non-us is dead for sarge now |
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| 16:56.45 | valdyn | GodFather: only for a short while, and its not recommended to use that. |
| 16:56.47 | beware | i did a cd /var/run, ls *hangs shell, zombie process* |
| 16:56.52 | bob2 | Nexus: I don't know, sorry |
| 16:56.52 | bucky | GodFather, it did for a while when sarge was frozen |
| 16:56.55 | streuner | openfly: just run 'apt-setup' and delete your sources.list |
| 16:56.56 | beware | i wonder what kind of problem this is, can it be a physically broken hdd |
| 16:56.58 | bob2 | Nexus: I'd just use iptables, personally |
| 16:57.07 | bob2 | beware: could be |
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| 16:57.16 | bob2 | beware: what does "mount | grep var/run" print out? |
| 16:57.43 | beware | nothing (there is no mount for just /var/run) |
| 16:57.46 | openfly | yeah that seems to be doing it.... |
| 16:57.46 | GodFather | thanks to all on the source.list question |
| 16:57.56 | beware | the entire hdd is mounted as one thing (that may be wrong etc) |
| 16:57.56 | Nexus | bob2, There is a nice sshd-sentry script that supposedly uses the hosts.deny to help block script kiddies from harvesting your sshd accounts. |
| 16:57.58 | ptlis | Is there any way to convert a testing/Sarge installation into a stable/Sarge installation? |
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| 16:58.09 | bob2 | beware: that does sound like hard disk is screwed |
| 16:58.18 | bob2 | beware: what does "dmesg" say? |
| 16:58.25 | bob2 | Nexus: there's one like that that uses iptables, too |
| 16:58.28 | tarzeau | ptlis: yes, if you didn't upgrade after the sarge release |
| 16:58.32 | Lee__ | ptlis: http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.en.html |
| 16:58.45 | jasoncohen | ptlis, well, did you upgrade your system since the 6th when sarge was released? |
| 16:58.47 | Sinisterr | ive installed the enlightenment window manager on my sarge system how can i get it to show up in the choices for wm from the login screen? |
| 16:58.49 | beware | bob2: what should i look for |
| 16:58.59 | bob2 | beware: it complains about broken disks very loudly |
| 16:59.02 | ptlis | tarzeau, Lee__ Thanks. |
| 16:59.08 | Nexus | bob2, I tried one that uses iptables yesterday and it didn't block a thing. :( |
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| 16:59.10 | valdyn | ptlis: sarge IS stable, so if you are using "sarge" everything is ok, if you upgraded packages to "etch" ( the new testing ), then that is bad. Replacing all occurrences of 'testing' in your sources.list w/ sarge would be what you want to do. |
| 16:59.11 | ptlis | jasoncohen: It's not my system. |
| 16:59.21 | jasoncohen | ptlis, if you didn't you can just change your sources.list to sarge or stable and add a sarge security entry |
| 16:59.25 | jasoncohen | oh |
| 16:59.28 | bob2 | Nexus: did you debug it? |
| 16:59.46 | jasoncohen | ptlis, if the system was upgraded in the last day or so, you'll need to downgrade some packages |
| 16:59.51 | Gremlin[ | hello .. need help after upgrading to sarge from woody, i have problems with openldap |
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| 17:00.00 | bob2 | Nexus: ie run "iptables -L -v -n" and see what it said? |
| 17:00.02 | Nexus | bob2, Not quite sure how unfortunately. |
| 17:00.02 | openfly | from sarge to woody |
| 17:00.03 | jasoncohen | ptlis, do an apt-show-versions | grep testing |
| 17:00.05 | Gremlin[ | did anyone else had theese problems ? related to openldap .. |
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| 17:00.07 | bob2 | Gremlin[: did you read the release notes? |
| 17:00.22 | openfly | thats a downgrade dude. |
| 17:00.22 | Gremlin[ | yeah |
| 17:00.24 | bob2 | gdid you notice that ldbm is screwed? |
| 17:00.25 | Nexus | bob2, No, I"ll have to give that a shot. I haven't used iptables by itself before. I use other programs that write the rules. :) Unlike you I'm sure. |
| 17:00.27 | beware | i dont see such things |
| 17:00.30 | Gremlin[ | yes |
| 17:00.35 | ptlis | Thanks for your help. |
| 17:00.40 | bob2 | is that your problem? |
| 17:00.40 | jasoncohen | ptlis, if you see any testing packages you'll need to downgrade them to sarge if you want to get security updates from sarge on all your packages |
| 17:00.41 | bob2 | nnah, I let shorewall write mine |
| 17:00.44 | Gremlin[ | bob2: the problems are when importing from ldif file |
| 17:00.45 | bob2 | er, Nexus |
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| 17:01.02 | MrKeuner | hi, what is the default WM in gnome? |
| 17:01.05 | ptlis | jasoncohen: Thanks alot. |
| 17:01.14 | streuner | MrKeuner: metacity |
| 17:01.31 | Sinisterr | anyone? |
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| 17:01.47 | jasoncohen | ptlis, and if apt-show-versions isn't installed just do apt-get install apt-show-versions. You might also want to check for unstable packages with apt-show-versions | grep unstable |
| 17:01.48 | MrKeuner | ans its alternative is sawfish I guess? |
| 17:01.58 | Mage__ | MrKeuner: openbox is great too |
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| 17:02.03 | valdyn | MrKeuner: many wm are gnome compliant |
| 17:02.04 | Mage__ | especially with gnome |
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| 17:02.12 | rvalles | The new installer is cool! :) |
| 17:02.21 | rvalles | I like how it downloads parts of the installer from the net |
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| 17:02.23 | albo | why http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 17:02.27 | obsmav | i am using http basic auth, with apache and for some reason internet explorer givs me the err mesg authorization required instead of displaying the username and password box, how can i fix this ? |
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| 17:02.45 | bob2 | albo: dude |
| 17:02.50 | MrKeuner | shouldn't installing sawfish remove metacity? |
| 17:02.52 | streuner | albo: change the line to sarge or stable |
| 17:02.53 | openfly | obsmav restart iexplorer.exe |
| 17:02.55 | valdyn | albo: replace 'testing' w/ sarge ( or 'stable' ), "testing" does not usually get security updates |
| 17:02.57 | openfly | kill it in task manager |
| 17:03.01 | bob2 | MrKeuner: no |
| 17:03.05 | bucky | albo http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00003.html |
| 17:03.10 | bob2 | MrKeuner: you can have as many windows manager installed at once as you like |
| 17:03.17 | netzize | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.29 | bob2 | vmware |
| 17:03.30 | obsmav | openfly, i have ... same error |
| 17:03.35 | K_Dallas | netzize, how could it be debian problem? |
| 17:03.39 | albo | bob2: i downloaded a netinstall cd dated 06-05... |
| 17:03.43 | openfly | obsmav test it in another browser? |
| 17:03.44 | bob2 | albo: yes, I know |
| 17:04.08 | openfly | confirm its not a browser issue? |
| 17:04.08 | bob2 | albo: do what valdyn said |
| 17:04.08 | tarzeau | obsmav: like links2 -g or dillo |
| 17:04.08 | obsmav | openfly, it works in firefox |
| 17:04.08 | teeagoo | my pppoeconf don't auyo start my dsl conection, how i can fix? (pppoeconf dont ask me about...) |
| 17:04.08 | openfly | hrmm |
| 17:04.08 | bucky | problem... no problem |
| 17:04.08 | openfly | that's bizarre |
| 17:04.08 | bob2 | teeagoo: run "pon" |
| 17:04.11 | obsmav | openfly, i dont know why it dosent work in explorer |
| 17:04.16 | obsmav | but it is like that on evry system |
| 17:04.20 | K_Dallas | teeagoo, how do you call it? |
| 17:04.21 | openfly | me neither dude i've never seen that happen before. |
| 17:04.22 | obsmav | local net and extra net |
| 17:04.30 | gAri- | hi people. there is many mailbox to maildir converter outta there. which one is the more reliable, which one do you consider to be the best? |
| 17:04.31 | obsmav | yea strange i know ? |
| 17:04.31 | netzize | bob2, K_Dallas: because i get segmentation fault errors while booting with kernel 2.6.8, with the old 2.4 kernel everything works |
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| 17:04.40 | obsmav | openfly, im useing basic auth if that matters |
| 17:04.50 | obsmav | openfly, u want to see htt acsess file ? |
| 17:04.52 | openfly | well i'd suggest upgrading apache or downgrading |
| 17:04.52 | K_Dallas | netzize, bad medium? |
| 17:04.55 | openfly | as necessary |
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| 17:05.03 | openfly | i doubt its a config file. |
| 17:05.07 | netzize | and i don't know how to make a bootlog with kernel 2.6. /etc/defaults/bootlogd setting does not work |
| 17:05.09 | teeagoo | pon dsl-provider , but i have first call ifconfig eth0 up, eth0 0.0.0.0 ... |
| 17:05.15 | valdyn | gAri-: man formail, man procmail |
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| 17:05.42 | netzize | K_Dallas: No, in the virtual machine woody was installed and i upgraded. now i want to upgrade the kernel. medium is ok |
| 17:05.43 | gAri- | I saw many perl programs to do that |
| 17:05.51 | gAri- | but I'll read what you recommend |
| 17:05.57 | obsmav | openfly, not sure... upgradeing |
| 17:06.10 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 17:06.33 | arango | I heard there is a commercial VNC-like remote desktop software that performs very well. Does any one know its name ? |
| 17:06.49 | K_Dallas | arango, google? |
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| 17:06.58 | valdyn | gAri-: that combination is particularily nice if you already use procmail to sort your mail |
| 17:07.00 | arango | K_Dallas: no luck |
| 17:07.03 | netzize | arango: there are many remote desktop software systems on the market |
| 17:07.05 | Juhaz | citrix metaframe? |
| 17:07.09 | shingouz | arango: why not go with VNC in the first place |
| 17:07.15 | bucky | rdesktop |
| 17:07.24 | arango | shingouz: I just want to test it |
| 17:07.26 | MrKeuner | where do I change the setting that gnome should use sawfish and not metacity? I have both. |
| 17:07.26 | Dr_O | NX |
| 17:07.35 | shingouz | arango: probably payware.... |
| 17:07.37 | teeagoo | K_Dallas, pon dsl-provider , but i have first call ifconfig eth0 up, eth0 0.0.0.0 ... |
| 17:07.46 | arango | I think they offer free individual licenses |
| 17:07.52 | valdyn | MrKeuner: gconf-editor |
| 17:08.13 | arango | Dr_O: That't the one NX, thanks |
| 17:08.24 | tarzeau | valdyn: gconf-editor makes me sad |
| 17:08.34 | arango | Dr_O: Have you used it ? |
| 17:08.48 | arango | Dr_O: How does it compare to VNC ? |
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| 17:09.07 | Dr_O | There is the NoMachine NX and I think now an "opneNX" or some such initially targeted at knoppix |
| 17:09.08 | valdyn | tarzeau: stuck with that if you used gnome ) |
| 17:09.19 | justin | freenx |
| 17:09.28 | MrKeuner | valdyn/ /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager ? |
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| 17:09.40 | tarzeau | Vladi: luckily *i* don't use gnome |
| 17:09.41 | Dr_O | arango: I have not used it personally but I have seen it demonstarted and it it GOOD! |
| 17:09.43 | andax | how can I compile something statically so that it will run in a jailed environment? or how to tell which files do I need to copy apart from the binary? |
| 17:09.46 | tarzeau | Vladi: i only kill and eat them in nethack |
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| 17:10.00 | valdyn | MrKeuner: i dont the path. |
| 17:10.04 | gAri- | valdyn: no I never used procmail. |
| 17:10.05 | Dr_O | s/demonstarted/demonstrated/ |
| 17:10.10 | valdyn | MrKeuner: i dont know the path. |
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| 17:11.00 | Dr_O | andax: try ldd <binary> to find the libs it needs ... maybe |
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| 17:11.17 | valdyn | gAri-: which tool do you use to read mail? |
| 17:11.30 | bucky | arango, freenx based on nomachine.com NX is good https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/freenx-knx |
| 17:11.33 | BK | how can i uninstall the mozilla suit that i installed with debian ? |
| 17:11.43 | tarzeau | BK: sure |
| 17:11.49 | gAri- | valdyn: maybe it sound strange, I only use pop3 from me home to read mail.. |
| 17:11.50 | BK | how, not if :) |
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| 17:12.02 | tarzeau | BK: apt-get --purge remove mozilla-browser or so? |
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| 17:12.12 | netzize | bk: apt-get --purge remove mozilla or so... |
| 17:12.13 | valdyn | gAri-: that's not a tool, thats a protocol |
| 17:12.39 | BK | yep, i just didn't know the package name, thank you :) |
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| 17:12.56 | gAri- | yea, then I would say I dont use any tool to do that. I have an everyday exim on the machine, and I'm getting my mail from home, from my windows pc |
| 17:13.03 | Dr_O | andax: you may need to run ldd recusivly to find libraries that the libraries need! |
| 17:13.09 | gAri- | or maybe I dont know what I'm talking of |
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| 17:13.12 | gAri- | thats a possibility too |
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| 17:13.34 | obsmav | openfly, didnt work |
| 17:13.46 | valdyn | gAri-: you _cannot_ read mail w/o a tool, ( even if the tool is 'cat' ), mutt? mozilla-thunderbird? evolution? |
| 17:13.59 | openfly | well... shit. |
| 17:14.04 | openfly | i got no further ideas |
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| 17:14.25 | openfly | and i'm middle of a 3.0 -> sarge upgrade |
| 17:14.39 | obsmav | openfly, oh |
| 17:14.40 | obsmav | lol sorry |
| 17:14.42 | obsmav | go ahead :P |
| 17:14.47 | openfly | =P |
| 17:14.52 | gAri- | valdyn: eudora :P |
| 17:14.54 | andax | Dr_O, thanks... |
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| 17:15.18 | gAri- | I didnt know what do you mean by tool. yea well I'm gettin' my mail with eudora |
| 17:15.19 | D3v1L | * eita |
| 17:15.28 | MrBallZ | question: Just installed Sarge, but my Belkin PS/2 Mouse's scroll wont work , which one should I select in Xserver-Xfree86 configuration ??? |
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| 17:16.04 | shingouz | MrBallZ: try ExplorerPS/2 |
| 17:16.14 | MrBallZ | ok |
| 17:16.20 | MrBallZ | can i do it in a konsole window ? |
| 17:16.46 | shingouz | the reconfiguration? yes but you still need to restart X, MrBallZ |
| 17:17.02 | MrBallZ | ok =0 |
| 17:17.06 | shingouz | you only got the empty can in anycase.... |
| 17:17.12 | MrBallZ | haha |
| 17:17.15 | MrBallZ | brb ... |
| 17:17.39 | valdyn | gAri-: alright, "easiest" way would be: open your mailbox with something like mozilla-thunderbird, evolution, or whatever in linux, open your maildir too, cut and paste every mail from one to the other |
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| 17:19.40 | gAri- | valdyn: I have 300 users using mailboxes. I need to merge all this to postfix/mysql/webadmin/webmail etc. so the first step would be to convert their mailboxes to maildir. |
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| 17:20.00 | openfly | or imap... |
| 17:20.04 | openfly | imap would be better |
| 17:20.20 | valdyn | gAri-: formail+procmail is good then. |
| 17:20.42 | dmntiger | I've been upgrading packages with the new release, and have run across some that I can't work with. So far I've found findutils, net-tools, procps, psmisc, and coreutils that have files set to ownership 122:114 - apt-get bombs when trying to do anything with these files from a permission denied error, and as root I can't chown, delete, or change them in any way. what gives? |
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| 17:21.04 | valdyn | gAri-: or just formail i guess |
| 17:21.06 | gAri- | is there a package called formail, i cant find it |
| 17:21.14 | openfly | dmntiger chattr -i the file |
| 17:21.17 | asg | gAri-: it's in the procmail package |
| 17:21.20 | shingouz | dmntiger: and the branch is? don't say unstable please... |
| 17:21.20 | gAri- | oh cool |
| 17:21.24 | gAri- | I'll check that |
| 17:21.29 | dmntiger | no - stable only, shingouz |
| 17:21.40 | shingouz | chattr -i file |
| 17:21.40 | openfly | some files have immutable set for some reason |
| 17:21.45 | gAri- | there are soo many tools to convert mailboxes to maildirs, that I'm lost in, dunno which to change. but i'll check formail |
| 17:21.48 | openfly | odd |
| 17:21.48 | dmntiger | ok, thanks |
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| 17:22.39 | dmntiger | Hmm.. no dice: |
| 17:22.40 | dmntiger | altaica:/# chattr -i /bin/ls |
| 17:22.40 | dmntiger | altaica:/# chown root:root /bin/ls |
| 17:22.42 | dmntiger | chown: changing ownership of `/bin/ls': Operation not permitted |
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| 17:23.04 | dmntiger | it punted me for 3 lines of text? yeesh :P |
| 17:23.06 | shingouz | dmntiger: man chattc |
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| 17:23.21 | shingouz | yes it did. thou shalt not paste here |
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| 17:23.53 | tarzeau | dmntiger: that's 700*3 lines |
| 17:23.55 | shingouz | man chattr of course... |
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| 17:24.36 | openfly | imma paste |
| 17:24.39 | openfly | imma paste all i want |
| 17:24.50 | openfly | imma paste macaroni all over the channel |
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| 17:25.04 | shingouz | openfly: see what happens if you do |
| 17:25.12 | openfly | people love macaronis |
| 17:25.17 | openfly | they would rejoice |
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| 17:25.53 | HansZ | greycat: don't run away before you fixed my wall! |
| 17:26.03 | greycat | TRUE or FALSE: Installing lilo in the MBR of a hard disk that has only an NTFS Windows XP partition will not work because lilo needs to read something (other than windows) from the hard disk during boot. |
| 17:26.17 | openfly | true |
| 17:26.18 | tarzeau | greycat: flase |
| 17:26.24 | greycat | isn't irc great. |
| 17:26.27 | openfly | errr |
| 17:26.27 | EdibleText | openfly, when making macaroni art, one is obligated to eat the paste |
| 17:26.28 | greycat | you can get both answers. |
| 17:26.28 | openfly | thats grub |
| 17:26.46 | openfly | EdibleText of course. |
| 17:26.50 | EvilSporkMan | is it still recommended to run testing for home use or should I be on stable? |
| 17:26.51 | dmntiger | even after taking the i flag off it refuses to let me do anything. there are also s and a flags on those files though. |
| 17:26.56 | asg | greycat: I've had that work before but not installing, only removing a partition afterwards. |
| 17:27.16 | tarzeau | openfly: well you can put grub stuff on a 8mb partition |
| 17:27.18 | asg | EvilSporkMan: it is recommended that you run stable unless you have a compelling reason not to do so. |
| 17:27.27 | tarzeau | openfly: so that's not so hard either, and you'll get a nifty boot loader |
| 17:27.28 | openfly | tarzeau saqme for lilo |
| 17:27.37 | dmntiger | all other files in that directory have no attributes at all. should I just strip them all off? |
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| 17:27.38 | EvilSporkMan | asg: ok, where do I look for directions for moving from testing to stable? |
| 17:27.41 | tarzeau | openfly: and you'll run lilo in where? |
| 17:27.44 | greycat | asg: I have removed linux from a laptop. There is no more linux. But there is still lilo in the MBR. I just want it to stop showing the lilo menu, and boot straight into windows. WHY IS THIS SO FUCKING HARD?!?!?!?! |
| 17:27.47 | Nexus | bob2, What was the command for debuging iptables you showed me again? |
| 17:27.48 | tarzeau | openfly: a linux system that's 8mb large? |
| 17:27.52 | openfly | run it? |
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| 17:28.02 | bob2 | Nexus: iptables -L -v -b |
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| 17:28.07 | bob2 | er, -n, not -b |
| 17:28.09 | openfly | statically ccompile it? and drop in a cut down kernel |
| 17:28.10 | tarzeau | openfly: if you ever change anything, lilo people rerun lilo every now and then |
| 17:28.12 | openfly | it'd be doable. |
| 17:28.13 | asg | greycat: ah, and windows can't repair itself like it's supposed to? |
| 17:28.15 | shingouz | greycat: fdisk /mbr perhaps? |
| 17:28.21 | EdibleText | greycat, grab a 98 bootdisk and so a 'fdisk /mbr' |
| 17:28.23 | greycat | asg: why would they do *that*? |
| 17:28.23 | tarzeau | openfly: that's way more work than with grub |
| 17:28.24 | bucky | EvilSporkMan, sarge went stable six days ago... if you have sarge in your sources.list then you are running stable |
| 17:28.27 | EdibleText | s/so/do |
| 17:28.28 | greycat | shingouz: BZZZZT, no fdisk in winxp. |
| 17:28.38 | asg | EvilSporkMan: if you haven't upgraded since sarge when stable, then change testing to stable in your sources. |
| 17:28.41 | EvilSporkMan | bucky: i have "testing", not "sarge" |
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| 17:28.44 | openfly | tarzeau pointless discussion we're having isn't it. |
| 17:28.48 | EvilSporkMan | asg: ah, that does it |
| 17:28.58 | shingouz | greycat: just dd the mbr full of zeroes and nuke XP, it sucks anyway |
| 17:29.02 | tarzeau | openfly: i've made/seen systems with 8mb partition and grub on it |
| 17:29.08 | gAri- | valdyn: thank you for your help. |
| 17:29.12 | tarzeau | openfly: but never seen one with lilo.... but yes it's kinda pointless |
| 17:29.15 | BK | thank you, to all the great people here, ( shingouz more than others). installing linux was never easyer for me (btween debian, gentoo, and slack) |
| 17:29.24 | openfly | tarzeau kay |
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| 17:29.30 | shingouz | BK: so you have it working now? great |
| 17:29.31 | openfly | i really don't care one way or the other. |
| 17:29.37 | Spec | BK: yes, i know, i'm really great...you flatter me |
| 17:29.38 | openfly | to me its a matter of asthetics |
| 17:29.41 | Spec | O:) |
| 17:29.46 | BK | bye now :) |
| 17:29.49 | shingouz | seeya |
| 17:29.52 | asg | !kill work |
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| 17:30.05 | Spec | hehe |
| 17:30.10 | abc | hi, what do i have to do in order to start gdesklets automatically with gnome? |
| 17:30.12 | openfly | dpkg in the office with the lead pipe! |
| 17:30.27 | shingouz | openfly: he is a bofh, what do you expect |
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| 17:30.45 | EdibleText | bboft |
| 17:30.54 | greycat | Attempting to run lilo from this rescue CD gives me "blah blah creat: /boot/something: read only file system". Making a chroot under /tmp (which is a RAM disk) and copying all of /boot and /dev as well as /sbin/lilo and libs and /etc/lilo.conf and everything into the chroot and running lilo in the chroot gives me "Trying to map files from unnamed device 0xnumber (NFS ?)" |
| 17:31.06 | greycat | which according to http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~mibe/linux/lilo/user/d4hnode74.html means GREYCAT IS TOTALLY FUCKED. |
| 17:31.09 | EdibleText | s/t/f |
| 17:31.10 | coolball | in my KDE application menu there is a group called Lost & Found.. should it have "Apply theme" in it? |
| 17:31.17 | shingouz | bboft? EdibleText |
| 17:31.25 | EdibleText | s/f/h |
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| 17:31.46 | EdibleText | shingouz, one of the 'b's os for 'bot' |
| 17:31.51 | shingouz | heh, ok |
| 17:31.55 | shingouz | figgers |
| 17:31.55 | tarzeau | coolball: hah |
| 17:32.35 | coolball | tarzeau: did I botch the installation? |
| 17:32.50 | valdyn | abc: just start it and save your session when exiting gnome |
| 17:33.03 | abc | oh, ok |
| 17:33.10 | tarzeau | coolball: no idea, what did you do? |
| 17:33.12 | valdyn | abc: or just type 'gnome-session-save' |
| 17:33.16 | Hanmies | greycat, if you have the winxp cd use the recovery console and command fixmbr |
| 17:33.19 | tarzeau | coolball: did you see some fsck while starting? broken harddisk? |
| 17:33.28 | tarzeau | coolball: did you delete files as root, that you thought you don't need? |
| 17:33.44 | seven | okay, i am looking for the 2.6.11 deb of the nvidia-kernel... |
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| 17:33.46 | coolball | i didn't watch it boot |
| 17:33.47 | tarzeau | LOLZ, Windows and Mac OS X people do this every now and then, and then wonder why their system doesn't work anymore |
| 17:33.52 | seven | not of much found yet. |
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| 17:34.19 | coolball | i didn't delete anything |
| 17:34.23 | deejoe | So I'm doing an aptitude --with-recommends dist-upgrade as per the release notes section 4, but I see a lot of packages listed as "The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will not be installed" What's up with that? |
| 17:34.26 | xtension | tarzeau hi |
| 17:34.27 | lewis | the default sarge kernel has no highmem support, I guess I have to compile my own kernel.... |
| 17:34.38 | tarzeau | xtension: we're in ;) |
| 17:34.47 | tarzeau | coolball: care to tell us what you did? |
| 17:35.07 | xtension | tarzeau sounds good. in where ? |
| 17:35.21 | coolball | nothing abnormal except chmod XF86Config-4 and edit it |
| 17:35.26 | tarzeau | xtension: gnu.ethz.ch:5050 |
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| 17:36.04 | Dr_O | lewis: grep -i highmem /boot/config-2.4.27-2-686 : CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
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| 17:36.29 | shingouz | coolball: first, why the hell did you chmod it, second, why did you edit it instead of using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:36.40 | Dr_O | lewis: what kernel package do you have installed : uname -r |
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| 17:37.05 | coolball | that has questions I am not qualified to answer |
| 17:37.10 | HansZ | I really need to find out who created that damn slow file transfer in msn |
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| 17:37.28 | shingouz | coolball: so why did you edit and chmod it then. damn |
| 17:37.33 | Lee__ | there's already a second ISO? 31-r0a |
| 17:37.35 | coolball | chmod so I could edit it with KWrite as non root |
| 17:37.51 | lewis | Dr_O: one second... 2.4.27 something |
| 17:37.52 | shingouz | coolball: <sigh> |
| 17:37.53 | valdyn | coolball: sudo kwrite <file> |
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| 17:37.59 | tarzeau | coolball: chmod it like told in displaycalibrator.app ? |
| 17:38.18 | and` | when I compile a kernel, how do I make sure gcc2.95 is used? |
| 17:38.24 | coolball | shingouz I needed to add resolutions |
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| 17:38.37 | shingouz | coolball: /msg drxx |
| 17:38.40 | tarzeau | and`: link gcc to gcc2.95 |
| 17:38.43 | Lee__ | citral: did you chose the advanced configuration? |
| 17:38.44 | tarzeau | and`: ls -la /usr/bin/gcc |
| 17:38.52 | and` | how brute =) |
| 17:38.57 | and` | but thanks |
| 17:39.00 | shingouz | coolball: you probably just managed to screw up something |
| 17:39.07 | citral | Lee__: hmm not sure. |
| 17:39.23 | valdyn | and`: man make-kpkg |
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| 17:39.47 | lewis | Dr_O: 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 17:40.00 | citral | Lee__: but since it's a bug reported against xfree by thinkpad users, I assume one has to edit by hand. Also all the install reports say so. |
| 17:40.24 | coolball | yeah I am not a computer genius |
| 17:40.26 | shingouz | coolball: lemme try to explain this to you. the filepermissions are there for a reason, not because the devels think it is nice to make your life harder. do not change them |
| 17:40.40 | coolball | i changed it back |
| 17:40.48 | nickv111 | Hmm, I read an article about NX, and I was wondering if there are any open source NX clients. I only know of the GPL server, and the proprietary client |
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| 17:40.58 | Dr_O | lewis: The package kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 seems to have highmem according to "grep -i highmem /boot/config-2.4.27-2-686" |
| 17:41.02 | nickv111 | I need something that I can run on my laptop |
| 17:41.06 | nickv111 | PowerPC |
| 17:41.17 | lewis | Dr_O: should I just 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686' then? |
| 17:41.28 | lewis | why wouldn't sarge have used that by default? |
| 17:41.33 | shingouz | !tell coolball about xmd5sum |
| 17:41.58 | Dr_O | lewis: Yes if you have a 686 ie: Pentium Pro/Celeron/Pentium II/Pentium III/Pentium 4, |
| 17:42.00 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 17:42.01 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 17:42.08 | shingouz | lewis: because you chose to install by hitting enter instead of using linux26 |
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| 17:42.31 | madclicker | can some one direct me to a "rar" or "unrar" deb package? |
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| 17:42.43 | lewis | shingouz: I want kernel 2.4. I just am wondering why sarge didn't install 2.4.27-2-686, and why it installed a 386 version, without highmem |
| 17:42.47 | valdyn | madclicker: apt-cache search rar ? |
| 17:42.49 | asg | madclicker: unrar is in main, rar is in non-free |
| 17:42.58 | Lee__ | !unrar |
| 17:42.58 | dpkg | it has been said that unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 17:43.00 | lewis | Dr_O: I will install that package now, thank you, I have a Pentium 4. |
| 17:43.02 | Dr_O | shingouz: I think lewis is meaning the 386 rather than 686 2.4 kernel |
| 17:43.03 | shingouz | madclicker: non-free in sources.list, then do apt-cache search after you have updated the cache |
| 17:43.18 | shingouz | lewis: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 17:43.20 | ptlis | Is there a command one can run to find out what version of Debian (Woody/Sarge/Etch) is running on a system? |
| 17:43.35 | shingouz | !version |
| 17:43.35 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 17:43.36 | tarzeau | ptlis: yes |
| 17:43.42 | ottoaim_ | personally i find the non-free rar works better. the free i havent been able to do multipart rars |
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| 17:44.05 | madclicker | valdyn:asg:shingouz: thanks guys |
| 17:44.12 | albo | whats a really up to date debian mirror |
| 17:44.12 | shingouz | madclicker: np |
| 17:44.13 | Dr_O | shingouz: is that still true (real kernel) for sarge? |
| 17:44.21 | shingouz | albo: they all are |
| 17:44.25 | lewis | shingouz: 'uname -r' says I have '2.4.27-2-386'. I want '2.4.27-2-686', as it has highmem support. I am going to install the debian package of that kernel now. |
| 17:44.26 | albo | shingouz: hah. no |
| 17:44.28 | shingouz | Dr_O: yes afaik |
| 17:44.38 | shingouz | lewis: :) |
| 17:44.48 | shingouz | albo: what? |
| 17:44.49 | lewis | shingouz: I want to know why the sarge installer didn't install the 2.4.27-2-686 kernel by default, or perhaps it wasn't on the CD> |
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| 17:45.11 | Dr_O | shingouz: Hmmm... I thought in d-i expert mode (at least) you get given a choice of kernels to install... But I could be wrong! |
| 17:45.16 | TimeKilla | hey guys, yesterday a windows re-install overwrote my MBR and now my bootlogger won't work. I've booted from my netisnt iso and went as far as the partition routine then went to a shell. What do i need to do next in order to get grub to install agian? |
| 17:45.24 | shingouz | lewis: the kernel you have right now is just something to make the system run in the first place |
| 17:45.29 | codester | have anyone successfully got artwiz font to work under sid? |
| 17:45.35 | lewis | shingouz: ah ok, silly me. |
| 17:45.47 | shingouz | Dr_O: i haven't installed one single machine with the sarge installer |
| 17:45.48 | lewis | Dr_O: I was using a netinstall sarge CD, and normal (non-expert) mode. |
| 17:46.01 | shingouz | !tell codester about ask |
| 17:46.13 | K_Dallas | FYI: /.: Nerds Make Better Lovers |
| 17:46.19 | shingouz | codester: why in $DEITYs name are you running Sid? |
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| 17:46.24 | madclicker | shingouz: what does the contrib tree holds/ |
| 17:46.26 | madclicker | ? |
| 17:46.35 | shingouz | !contrib |
| 17:46.35 | dpkg | contrib is probably debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 17:46.43 | codester | shingouz: i thought sid have newer packages |
| 17:46.55 | codester | shingouz: thats why i am running it =P |
| 17:46.56 | shingouz | !tell codester about sid faq |
| 17:47.10 | lewis | shingouz: ok - last question. surely the majority of machines would work fine with a 686 kernel, which supports Pentium Pro onwards - who would still be using a 386? |
| 17:47.15 | TimeKilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.17 | shingouz | codester: and you are the one who gets to keep the pieces and we get a laugh |
| 17:47.24 | Dr_O | lewis: My best guess is that in normal (non-expert) mode d-i plays safe and installs a 386 kernel... GO for the upgrade... Are you using lilo or grub? |
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| 17:47.39 | shingouz | lewis: that is assuming stuff. /msg dpkg assume ;) |
| 17:47.42 | lewis | Dr_O: grub, and I will upgrade. |
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| 17:48.00 | codester | shingouz: lol, well i know i am a newbie but yeah been running sid for quite awhile now, and debian sid is my first linux too =] |
| 17:48.05 | lewis | heh ( ASS - U - ME) :P |
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| 17:48.09 | shingouz | lewis: and on the topic of 386, 486 and P1 boxen.. you'd be surprised |
| 17:48.12 | Lee__ | I just got sarge installed on a big-ish server. Is there an email address that logs the hardware info of successful installations? |
| 17:48.13 | Dr_O | As you probably know you will be able to choose the old kernel via the grub menu if th enew one wont work. |
| 17:48.26 | shingouz | codester: it is your ass on the line, man |
| 17:48.45 | Lee__ | something like dmesg | mail installs@debian.org |
| 17:48.50 | lewis | Dr_O: yeh - it is on a remote machine, I need to remind myself what the 'reboot once' option is with grub... |
| 17:48.58 | lewis | although I doubt that I will have a problem... |
| 17:49.00 | codester | shingouz: would sid have alot of security issue? thats my only concern |
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| 17:49.26 | asg | Lee__: There is an 'install-report.template' in /root |
| 17:49.34 | shingouz | codester: it has a lot of borkenness issues. there is no security on sid at all unless you know how to provide it yourself. read the faq |
| 17:49.36 | foureyes779 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 17:49.38 | Lee__ | asg: yup |
| 17:49.43 | ottoaim_ | anyone know how to get firefox to have all the unicode characters(like on the main wikipedia page) where it cannot display asian characters and instead displays boxes? dpkg just refers me to the devil :/ |
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| 17:49.49 | thoron | Is this correct at /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 17:49.50 | asg | Lee__: read it, fill in the blanks, see the address to send it to at the bottom. |
| 17:49.56 | Lee__ | sweet, thanks. |
| 17:50.03 | codester | shingouz: yep ok =] |
| 17:50.11 | shingouz | wtf is wrong with all these noobs and their Sids... |
| 17:50.28 | asg | shingouz: if they had real SIDs, they wouldn't be here |
| 17:50.36 | K_Dallas | shingouz, they are excited to have a hand on unstable ;) |
| 17:50.39 | shingouz | codester: as i said, you run sid you are pretty much on your own, there is no one here that is willing to support sid |
| 17:50.42 | Dr_O | thoron: if you are on sarge (stable) then yes |
| 17:50.44 | and` | whats wrong with the noobs is that they are pwned, lol |
| 17:50.46 | thoron | How do I disable IPv6 address lookup in sarge? |
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| 17:51.02 | codester | anyhow my problem i am trying to install .pcf bitmap font, i use mkfontdir, add the FontPath in XF86config-4, edit local.conf |
| 17:51.10 | codester | but font still doesnt show up under gnome |
| 17:51.15 | codester | what else am i missing? |
| 17:51.24 | valdyn | !x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 17:51.27 | shingouz | codester: gnome is borked on sid, didn't you know that? |
| 17:51.34 | asg | !font guide |
| 17:51.34 | dpkg | somebody said font guide was bob2's Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 17:51.47 | bob2 | hehe |
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| 17:52.12 | shingouz | codester: for some odd reason i get the feeling you did not even check out the sid faq. read it and weep |
| 17:52.12 | Dr_O | thoron: you can add non-free to that line too if you wish. |
| 17:52.15 | lewis | Dr_O: is there a 'boot once' option with grub, as I believe there was with lilo. |
| 17:52.17 | asg | !prize peterS |
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| 17:52.24 | lewis | Dr_O: or should I just restart a remote machine, and hope for the best. |
| 17:52.32 | codester | shingouz: nah i've checked it out and know its unstable and all |
| 17:52.59 | codester | shingouz: but i had problem with sarge installation somehow i couldnt even get pass base install with my hardware |
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| 17:53.06 | shingouz | codester: i will sit here and laugh when the box borks, that is a promise |
| 17:53.09 | thoron | modconf says that ipv6 modules is in use so I can not remove it. |
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| 17:53.22 | valdyn | thoron: blacklist it and reboot |
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| 17:53.36 | shingouz | codester: so how the fluck did you install sid then? damn.. stupid move you did |
| 17:53.43 | Dr_O | lewis: do an apt-cache show kernel-image.... (whateever the no was) and check that your machine has one of the CPU's mentioned... Than I think all will be safe! |
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| 17:53.55 | MrBallZ | hiya ! |
| 17:54.09 | Dr_O | lewis: I'm still a lilo man myself (better serial console support in my view) |
| 17:54.10 | lewis | Dr_O: it has a Pentium 4 |
| 17:54.11 | MrBallZ | shingouz: did work ... hehehe, i was configuring many things on this new comp .. |
| 17:54.15 | codester | shingouz: cause sarge freeze up on boot |
| 17:54.22 | codester | shingouz: dont know why but yeah weird |
| 17:54.30 | citral | greycat: I suggest you get a bootable fdisk floppy image like the one on http://radified.com/Files/ and just type fdisk /mbr _then /sys C:_ to make it bootable again |
| 17:54.36 | lewis | Dr_O: rebooting now, wish me luck |
| 17:54.42 | Dr_O | lewis: that should be OK then... |
| 17:54.44 | toonx | hey guys, how can i see all the VARIABLES my system is using right now ? |
| 17:55.05 | MrBallZ | question: I installed Sarge, with only 128MB ram , so SWAP was automatically set to 380MB , if I max out the ram , do I have to repartition the swap >???? |
| 17:55.08 | thoron | toonx, env |
| 17:55.12 | codester | shingouz: can you tell me the processs of installing .pcf bitmap font in debian? |
| 17:55.14 | lewis | Dr_O: heh - at least this machine isn't critical - rebooting critical remote machines does cause me to hold my breath.... |
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| 17:55.31 | shingouz | codester: you run sid, you figure it out. a bit of rtfm does you good |
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| 17:55.37 | Dr_O | lewis: MmmmMmm Mmm |
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| 17:56.05 | shingouz | Dr_O: you turning into Kenny? |
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| 17:56.05 | lewis | Dr_O: well, it worked, uname -r, shows 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 17:56.16 | toonx | thoron: cool thanks, so env just shows them, doesn't do any modifications at all right ? |
| 17:56.17 | codester | shingouz: mkfontdir, edit XF86config-4, edit locals.conf and what else? |
| 17:56.18 | lewis | Dr_O: hey - nice one - highmem support works. |
| 17:56.28 | bonggnu | hi, i am installing gcc 4.0 wich are the flag for an amd sempron ? |
| 17:56.29 | lewis | (breath) |
| 17:56.30 | Dr_O | How are you checking that by the way? |
| 17:56.40 | thoron | toonx, it's able to if you want to. |
| 17:56.48 | GodFather | Can anybody explain why addiing "contrib" to this line: "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main" in my sources.list gives an error? |
| 17:56.55 | lewis | I checked highmem with 'top'. Before reboot, showed 900Mb, now it shows 1024Mb. |
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| 17:57.29 | toonx | thoron: nope , just want to see'em |
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| 17:57.35 | Dr_O | lewis: cool! more memory... probably slightly faster too... not that I'd notice! |
| 17:57.40 | jasoncohen | GodFather, it should look like this : "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib" |
| 17:58.08 | lewis | Dr_O: I appreciate the help - now I just have to work out what to do with the machine (it had faulty hardware, which has since been replaced, but all the critical services moved off of it) |
| 17:58.12 | rking | what's a good terminal? i'm tired of a particular xterm bug (related to cut buffers), and i'd like to change to something similar. |
| 17:58.26 | citral | rking: aterm, rxvt |
| 17:58.33 | shingouz | codester: i am not inot into gnome at all and i do not need all those fancy fonts on my computers, out of my depth here |
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| 17:58.56 | GodFather | jasoncohen, yes this line: "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib" give an error? |
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| 17:59.02 | rking | citral: ahh, looks good |
| 17:59.26 | cddesjarisback | i am switching from slackware over to debian...i was just wondering what happens debian so good? |
| 17:59.31 | GodFather | jasoncohen, s/give/gives/ |
| 17:59.31 | lewis | Dr_O: oh - I know, I need to make sure that the IDE bus speed is 133Mhz, and not the default 33 |
| 17:59.36 | cddesjarisback | i mean thinking |
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| 17:59.41 | Dr_O | lewis: no probs... I'm sure you'll think of something |
| 17:59.41 | codester | shingouz: ok, lol then wats the deal with sid? my system aint broken yet and if it is i know its my fault for running sid =] |
| 17:59.43 | rking | cddesjarisback: apt-get, dpkg |
| 17:59.43 | rosco | hi guys |
| 17:59.45 | jasoncohen | GodFather, what's the error? |
| 17:59.46 | rking | cddesjarisback: this channel |
| 17:59.58 | greycat | !why debian |
| 17:59.59 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 18:00.13 | cddesjarisback | great thanks dpkg! |
| 18:00.16 | cddesjarisback | i'll check those out |
| 18:00.19 | GodFather | jasoncohen, error is: "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" |
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| 18:00.30 | foureyes779 | cddesjarisback, what version of Slack ? |
| 18:00.35 | Dr_O | lewis: if you look in the files under /proc/ide/ that should tell you |
| 18:00.38 | jasoncohen | GodFather, try ftp.debian.org |
| 18:00.43 | shingouz | codester: the point is that you should not be runnign sid there and coming here to ask about how to install fonts. sid is for masochists and developers, not for noobs as their first system |
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| 18:00.52 | jasoncohen | i get better speeds from ftp.debian.org anyways in NJ |
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| 18:01.11 | rosco | I've just installed sarge and I encounter my first problem: I cannot log in X with as a normal user, I have to be root. Looks like it's a "permission denied" error. Is there a typical thing to do just after the install ? |
| 18:01.13 | codester | shingouz: but isnt the process of install bitmap font would be the same for both sarge and sid |
| 18:01.15 | Dr_O | GodFather: jyst try the aptitude update again |
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| 18:01.18 | cddesjarisback | 10.1 |
| 18:01.28 | cddesjarisback | i've been using slack for over a 1.5 |
| 18:01.30 | cddesjarisback | years |
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| 18:01.36 | foureyes779 | cddesjarisback, i have been considering the same transition as well |
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| 18:01.58 | garuse | anybody knows why X isn't compiled with MTTR support in sarge? |
| 18:01.58 | jasoncohen | GodFather, oh yeah..heh- you have to run apt-get update or aptitude update for the change to take affect |
| 18:02.05 | cddesjarisback | from slack to debian? |
| 18:02.06 | shingouz | codester: i am not going to help you isntall the fonts. the biggest reason is that i have not had to install such blingbling on my boxen and i have no urge to learn how to do it either |
| 18:02.11 | foureyes779 | cddesjarisback, yes |
| 18:02.13 | ludi | I'm interested in switching to 'etch', should I do it? |
| 18:02.20 | greycat | !IYHTAYS |
| 18:02.21 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 18:02.28 | codester | shingouz: i know u said it before u dont know |
| 18:02.35 | citral | garuse: do you mean mtrr ? |
| 18:02.36 | cddesjarisback | what's the deal with all the ISOs? |
| 18:02.41 | GodFather | jasoncohen, ok I'll try.... |
| 18:02.42 | foureyes779 | cddesjarisback, i already have debian installed on my daughters computer |
| 18:02.43 | cddesjarisback | how many do i really need to try out the system |
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| 18:02.50 | cddesjarisback | do you like it foureyes? |
| 18:02.54 | codester | shingouz: but thing is why start flaming cause i am using sid |
| 18:02.56 | Dr_O | ludi: what do you want from etch that is not in sarge? |
| 18:03.00 | foureyes779 | jsut get the darn netinst CD and install what YOU want |
| 18:03.01 | jasoncohen | ludi, what are you interested in doing with your system? If it's a server it should be using stable |
| 18:03.05 | K_Dallas | cddesjarisback, if you are on a fast connection, get the netinstaller, 100MB, and go from there |
| 18:03.18 | ludi | Dr_0: More up to date packages, something more exciting... |
| 18:03.23 | cddesjarisback | i get like 20 kb/s |
| 18:03.26 | cddesjarisback | so i don't think that would be good |
| 18:03.29 | garuse | citral:yeap mtrr |
| 18:03.34 | ludi | jasoncohen: no it's not a server, just a desktop system of no real importance. |
| 18:03.34 | K_Dallas | that is not really fast then |
| 18:03.36 | jasoncohen | ludi, as of this time, sarge and etch are almost identical. You mght want to use sarge for now with its security updates and update to etch later when you need something from etch |
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| 18:03.51 | K_Dallas | cddesjarisback, you are not in Montreal, Canada by any chance? ;) |
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| 18:03.52 | citral | garuse: modprobe mtrr with 2.6-xxx. for 2.4 I don't know |
| 18:03.56 | foureyes779 | cddesjarisback, see if the local computer sgop will download it for ya |
| 18:03.56 | ludi | jasoncohen: when will etch start to diverge from sarge then? |
| 18:03.59 | jasoncohen | ludi, if that's the case testing is fine. i'm using testing on my desktop |
| 18:04.06 | cddesjarisback | nope |
| 18:04.13 | K_Dallas | i could have given you the whole set :( |
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| 18:04.22 | jacky^ | hi |
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| 18:04.24 | shingouz | codester: i am not flaming you, you'd know if i were, trust me on that. i am simply saying you should really install sarge before you really get the sid configured just to save you some massive amounts of frustration in the very near future. sid is going to get real unstable very soon as packages are starting to come down from experimental |
| 18:04.28 | cddesjarisback | i am at a coffee shop in minneapolis with a quick internet speed though |
| 18:04.35 | foureyes779 | cddesjarisback, see if the local computer sgop will download it for ya |
| 18:04.36 | jasoncohen | ludi, wait a few weeks. Gnome 2.10 will be going into unstable (all of it, heh) shortly, and i would expect the same from KDE 3.4. 784 packages went in yesterday |
| 18:04.38 | cddesjarisback | i am getting about 120 kb/s on azuerus |
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| 18:04.49 | lewis | Dr_O: my hard disk has a bus speed of 100Mhz. and kern.log shows: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx - I remember googling once, and overriding it, but is there a better way to rectify this? |
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| 18:04.55 | Dr_O | ludi: testing(etch) and sarge are almost identical at the moment. ( testing(etch) was a identical to sarge when sarge was released) |
| 18:04.59 | jacky^ | can i start installing debianwith 2.6 kernel using official cd 1 ? |
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| 18:05.05 | K_Dallas | i netinstall usually at 60-80 and it takes less than 3 hours |
| 18:05.09 | citral | lewis: you can ignore that, it's a dummy message |
| 18:05.15 | Lee__ | jacky^: linux26 at the boot prompt |
| 18:05.21 | foureyes779 | i also had debian running on an old Mac that i really enjoyed |
| 18:05.28 | jacky^ | Lee__: thanks |
| 18:05.34 | garuse | citral: locate couldn't find it and i'm running with 2.6.11 from sid |
| 18:05.35 | Lee__ | Debian's great for old macs. runs better than OS X :) |
| 18:05.35 | lewis | citral: I can? |
| 18:05.36 | cddesjarisback | K_Dallas: what's the installer like? text based or a GUI? |
| 18:05.39 | Dr_O | lewis: I'm not an expoert on that... Anyone else? |
| 18:05.41 | codester | shingouz: ok =) thanks for the advice, i will try give sarge installation another goes, as i said before the reason i am using sid in the first place was i couldnt get pass base install with sarge before |
| 18:05.53 | citral | lewis: and idebus speed != front bus speed |
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| 18:05.56 | foureyes779 | till the PS died |
| 18:05.59 | K_Dallas | cddesjarisback, debian is text-based all the way to the point you get your X up and running |
| 18:06.09 | GodFather | jasoncohen, Thank you very much, works now |
| 18:06.26 | cddesjarisback | similar to the slackware installation? |
| 18:06.27 | lewis | citral: oh yeh - hmm |
| 18:06.27 | K_Dallas | cddesjarisback, which has nothing less than any GUI installer that i have seen |
| 18:06.33 | cddesjarisback | ok |
| 18:06.42 | foureyes779 | the only thing that concerns me about switching this machine over is my /home partition |
| 18:06.44 | garuse | citral: the reason that i'm a little upset about the mtrr thing is that on my old box i cannot see movies anymore |
| 18:06.45 | citral | garuse: find /lib/modules/2.6.11-blah/ -name '*mtrr*' |
| 18:06.49 | shingouz | codester: once you start installing get on the channel and ask if the docs do not do the trick, there is probably just some misconfig somewhere |
| 18:06.51 | K_Dallas | cddesjarisback, i do not recall how slackware was but i would say better |
| 18:07.03 | jacky^ | Lee__: won't work: Could not find kernel image: linux26 |
| 18:07.10 | cddesjarisback | slack is pretty easy...it's based on freeBSD |
| 18:07.15 | lewis | citral: ok - thanks. |
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| 18:07.22 | greycat | ``This isn't as important if you are installing GRUB on the first sector of a hard disk, since it's easy to reinitialize it (e.g. by running FDISK /MBR from DOS).'' AAARRRGHHHH!!!! LIES! It's all LIES! |
| 18:07.29 | garuse | citral: i did it and showed nothing |
| 18:07.39 | Lee__ | jacky^: than you have the wrong CD, cause I'm finishing up a sarge installation with a 2.6 kernel right now. |
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| 18:07.51 | shingouz | jacky^: what are you trying to do and with what? |
| 18:07.55 | Lee__ | I downloaded the CD #1 ISO via bittorrent |
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| 18:08.08 | jacky^ | Lee__: i download cd 1 and cd2 from official website |
| 18:08.10 | citral | garuse: do you have a /proc/mtrr ? |
| 18:08.15 | ftugrul | hi, how can i install apache & php & mysql with debian please? it says "php5 have no installation candidate" |
| 18:08.16 | K_Dallas | cddesjarisback, if you have some time on your hand to spend on installing and learning the basics of Debian, i would definitely suggest it otherwise do it when you have some spare time. switching always takes some time |
| 18:08.21 | shingouz | jacky^: which version? |
| 18:08.29 | garuse | citral: anyway i think it's the X problem |
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| 18:08.31 | Lee__ | you sure it's CD 1 stable? |
| 18:08.35 | cddesjarisback | thanks |
| 18:08.36 | jacky^ | shingouz: i want to start install debian with 2.6 kernel |
| 18:08.39 | codester | shingouz: ok =) |
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| 18:08.51 | Lee__ | jacky^: try pressing F1 at the boot splash screen |
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| 18:08.51 | garuse | citral: yes i have so it's staticaly compiled |
| 18:08.52 | jacky^ | CD1 stable i think |
| 18:09.05 | greycat | Hanmies: I *do not have* a windows XP recovery/boot CD available. |
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| 18:09.17 | jacky^ | Lee__: i've seen, F1 give me bf24 to choose |
| 18:09.26 | shingouz | jacky^: i gathered as much but what installer are you trying to use? namely what is the name of the version, woody or sarge? |
| 18:09.27 | Lee__ | greycat: what were you thinking? :) |
| 18:09.32 | shingouz | jacky^: wrong cd in that case |
| 18:09.36 | citral | garuse: so if you have your RAM, your VRAM and your AGP aperture appearing when you do cat /proc/mtrr it's not the problem |
| 18:09.37 | shingouz | !d-i jacky^ |
| 18:09.38 | dpkg | jacky^, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:09.46 | greycat | Hanmies: if microsoft had pulled its HEAD out of its ASS long enough to put fixmbr on their fucking windows XP installations, I wouldn't have wasted 4+ hours and counting today on this issue. |
| 18:09.56 | jacky^ | ok, thanks a lot |
| 18:09.58 | lewis | citral: ah ok - where can I find my system bus speed? presumably motherboard manual - on another machine, I noticed that I added 'append="idebus=66"' to /etc/lilo.conf |
| 18:10.04 | jetscreamer | my dvd burner doesn't seem to use any/much cpu time... cdrw did iirc... this is normal eh |
| 18:10.07 | citral | garuse: personally I had to fix the size of my vram |
| 18:10.08 | xtension | greycat stop it |
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| 18:10.10 | greycat | I think the only way to resolve this problem is to break the law. |
| 18:10.11 | greycat | Seriously. |
| 18:10.14 | Hanmies | Well that recovery console is on winxp installs as well. |
| 18:10.15 | xtension | greycat install linux ass |
| 18:10.17 | shingouz | jacky^: another option is to get the Sarge cd1 and install off that |
| 18:10.18 | K_Dallas | greycat, XP CD has a fixmbr which has never worked for me btw ;) |
| 18:10.20 | citral | lewis: lspci -v |
| 18:10.22 | jetscreamer | lewis: you hava a 66mhz pci bus? that isn't ide you know |
| 18:10.24 | Nolius_ | hello :-D |
| 18:10.25 | jetscreamer | just checking |
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| 18:10.31 | xtension | greycat or go to #m$crap |
| 18:10.43 | jetscreamer | xtension: say what? |
| 18:10.49 | jacky^ | shingouz: ok, im going to see on website |
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| 18:10.56 | anubis_EOA | hello all. can someone tell me where the best place to set startup environemnt variables used by Tomcat and what command should be used |
| 18:10.58 | lewis | reading the output of 'lspci -v'.... |
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| 18:11.09 | garuse | citral: it looks like this: reg00: base=0xde000000 (3552MB), size= 8MB: write-combining, count=1 |
| 18:11.10 | TimeKilla | Guys i'm trying to reinstally my grub-instal to the master boot record that got overwritten by windows setup. I'm using my netinst cd, and have gone to a shell just before the partition routine. How can i access grub install from this cd.. or how do i mount my hda2 so that i can access grub installer from there? |
| 18:11.12 | citral | lewis: uh wrong, better try lshw |
| 18:11.13 | Dr_O | greycat: you got a knoppix cd to hand ? |
| 18:11.22 | greycat | Dr_O: what would I do if I had one? |
| 18:11.26 | cddesjarisback | does debian come with the C-Complier...so that i can configure tarballs and make and install them? |
| 18:11.31 | greycat | cddesjarisback: yes |
| 18:11.35 | Lee__ | LNX BBC is smaller for recovery stuff |
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| 18:11.38 | Dr_O | greycat: well.. I'm not quite sure... No hang on... |
| 18:11.39 | cddesjarisback | i was surprised to see that Redhat, SuSe, and Mandriva don't |
| 18:11.39 | lewis | command not found for 'lshw' |
| 18:11.40 | citral | garuse: and your video card has 8 Mb vram ? |
| 18:11.44 | jetscreamer | yes cddesjarisback but you need to work on your terms |
| 18:11.45 | cddesjarisback | lame |
| 18:11.49 | K_Dallas | cddesjarisback, Debian is a linux distro, isnt it? ;) |
| 18:11.50 | e2k | is it possible to rescue sarge from the hdd using the debian installer (netinstall cd) after windows has overwritten grub? |
| 18:11.50 | mort_ | TimeKilla: grub <enter>, setup (hd0) |
| 18:11.52 | garuse | citral: yes it's a vanta |
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| 18:12.04 | Dr_O | greycat: there is an ms-sys package in debian that can install a number of different MS type MBR's |
| 18:12.08 | K_Dallas | cddesjarisback, they all have! |
| 18:12.11 | mort_ | TimeKilla: in case it's your first hd you're booting from |
| 18:12.20 | jetscreamer | it's called dosmbr isn't it |
| 18:12.22 | citral | garuse: so you're fine with mtrr, the problem is likely to be the dri or something |
| 18:12.23 | K_Dallas | maybe not on their liveCD version |
| 18:12.37 | Dr_O | greycat: I guess that knoppix has something simmilar installed |
| 18:12.37 | cddesjarisback | no my buddy downloaded those distros |
| 18:12.46 | cddesjarisback | and he couldn't run configure |
| 18:12.50 | cddesjarisback | and he could not run make |
| 18:12.52 | greycat | Dr_O: Why didn't anyone TELL ME this? |
| 18:12.56 | garuse | citral: the movies worked like a charm in vector |
| 18:12.57 | jetscreamer | yeah but he sucks probably |
| 18:12.59 | TimeKilla | it looks like i'm only viewing the contents of the CD right now, and the cd does not have grub on it... |
| 18:12.59 | cddesjarisback | we spent hours trying to get him the right packages |
| 18:13.02 | K_Dallas | cddesjarisback, sometimes make is not installed by default but it is there |
| 18:13.11 | jetscreamer | greycat: if you did start using linux yesterday you wouldn't have to ask... |
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| 18:13.19 | jetscreamer | s/did/didn't/ |
| 18:13.27 | jetscreamer | gd n00bs |
| 18:13.32 | lewis | hmm - so, should I worry about: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx ? |
| 18:13.41 | garuse | citral: and looks like the bottleneck is the mtrr thing |
| 18:13.51 | jetscreamer | lewis: that is PCI bus, not ATA66 |
| 18:14.00 | mort_ | TimeKilla: your cd sucks. get one that has. there are enough of them |
| 18:14.01 | garuse | citral: cause with nvidia it is the same thing |
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| 18:14.17 | quittt | what fuck aptitude is doing? |
| 18:14.18 | lewis | jetscreamer: oh, the PCI bus is called 'idebus'? |
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| 18:14.46 | abel | hi all i try to make my usb irda dongle reconize by my debian box, but the compiled module don't seems to be link to my usb port when i plug the dongle . how can i force that ? |
| 18:14.48 | jetscreamer | have fun |
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| 18:15.18 | Dr_O | greycat: you caould google for "smart boot manager" This is a first cylinder bootloader that can go on a floppy and install from the floppy to the hard drive... May help you .... |
| 18:15.37 | jetscreamer | !n00b greycat |
| 18:15.53 | Dr_O | greycat: just depends exactly what you want and what tools (or lack of) you have at your disposal!) |
| 18:15.55 | quittt | how do I configure debianconf? |
| 18:16.01 | jetscreamer | debcof |
| 18:16.05 | jetscreamer | debconf |
| 18:16.08 | lewis | jetscreamer: should I ignore the message, or try to override it? |
| 18:16.16 | Lee__ | abel: what does dmesg say after you insert the USB device? |
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| 18:16.27 | jetscreamer | lewis: are you trying to get your hd to do ata66? or what |
| 18:16.30 | quittt | configure how the package are configured |
| 18:16.32 | MrBallZ | how can i install motif ???? |
| 18:16.41 | lewis | jetscreamer: I want to make sure the hard disk is at ATA100 |
| 18:16.47 | Lee__ | apt-cache search motif??????? |
| 18:17.07 | abel | Lee__ : usb 1-3: new full speed USB device using address 12 ... that's all |
| 18:17.15 | sepski | lewis, unless you have server hardware with mean 66Mhz pci busses you ignore it |
| 18:17.19 | Dr_O | lewis: hdparm is your friend |
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| 18:17.39 | Lee__ | abel: cool, at least it knows you plugged it in. it doesn't say anything about it claiming a device? |
| 18:17.41 | jetscreamer | lewis: did you try hdparm to check? be carful with it btw it's very powerful. debian defaults for that are very conservative, and if the driver detects any kind of 'possible flakiness?' it will go lower |
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| 18:17.49 | greycat | Dr_O: wow. ms-sys was already on the rescue CD I had been using, too. I simply had NO CLUE that such a tool existed under Linux. (I wonder if they reverse engineered the MS MBR, or whether they include it as a block of pirated code) |
| 18:18.04 | jetscreamer | lewis: 'very' conservative (or so i've heard) |
| 18:18.11 | lewis | is there a tool/option to see what debian is currently using as the ATA speed? |
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| 18:18.22 | jetscreamer | hdparm i believe |
| 18:18.24 | Lee__ | greycat: you can reinstall the M$ bootloader with a Linux utility? |
| 18:18.25 | abel | Lee__ : Noo that's exactly what i want him to do... any whay to force this claim for a specified module ? |
| 18:18.26 | jetscreamer | is one |
| 18:18.29 | citral | hdparm /dev/hda |
| 18:18.31 | greycat | Dr_O: I have been googling various things *all day* trying to figure this out. |
| 18:18.33 | greycat | Lee__: ms-sys |
| 18:18.37 | Lee__ | awesome! |
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| 18:19.02 | citral | lewis: note that it is likely your BIOS that is using an ATA speed, not debian |
| 18:19.03 | jetscreamer | greycat: wtf's up |
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| 18:19.11 | Lee__ | abel: I don't know the driver off hand but you should see if it's in your running kernel. |
| 18:19.14 | lewis | citral: oh |
| 18:19.17 | Dr_O | greycat: I think they may be MS compatible... ie written from scratch in assembler but perform the same functions! |
| 18:19.21 | xtension | some ppl just stay stupid nomatter what |
| 18:19.31 | abel | Lee__ : he is and i have modprobe it |
| 18:19.33 | lewis | hdparm didn't tell me much, so I guess I'll ignore it. |
| 18:19.34 | jazzmanss | why is it that I can log into a vncserver session if I give no arguments, but If I give the -geometry= argument I cannot log into it from a remote machine? |
| 18:19.35 | jetscreamer | xtension: who |
| 18:19.50 | Dr_O | greycat: apt-cache search mbr is your friend |
| 18:20.00 | Lee__ | abel: than it might be the wrong module if the device doesn't claim it. |
| 18:20.10 | jetscreamer | is this a different greycat? |
| 18:20.11 | citral | lewis: normally the bios set up your disk to use the best mode according to your mobo at boot time. |
| 18:20.14 | Lee__ | abel: maybe it has proprietary firmware? |
| 18:20.14 | greycat | jetscreamer: this laptop belongs to the EX-girlfriend of one of the docs here. It was a dualboot linux/windows but now she wanted linux gone. |
| 18:20.15 | xtension | jetscreamer i am not saying names do i ? |
| 18:20.26 | greycat | jetscreamer: and now it's gone. Simple 5-minute thing once I knew the tool exists. |
| 18:20.33 | lewis | citral: oh ok - just wanted to ensure that debian wasn't constraining the speed in someway |
| 18:20.36 | anubis_EOA | where is the best place to set environment variables? |
| 18:20.36 | jetscreamer | greycat: ah so you're done. |
| 18:20.43 | lewis | citral: thanks for the reassurance, I will leave things well alone. |
| 18:20.46 | greycat | !wikifaq anubis_EOA DotFiles |
| 18:20.47 | dpkg | anubis_EOA: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:20.48 | citral | greycat: I suggest you get a bootable fdisk floppy image like the one on http://radified.com/Files/ and just type fdisk /mbr _then /sys C:_ to make it bootable again |
| 18:21.03 | greycat | citral: I'm all done. All I needed to know was "ms-sys". |
| 18:21.10 | citral | ah great |
| 18:21.12 | Dr_O | lewis: do you have any file under /proc/ide except for ide* hd* and devices ? : if so cat it fo rmore info on your IDE system |
| 18:21.15 | TimeKilla | oh i'm frustrated |
| 18:21.17 | abel | Lee__ : grr decidely it's a war to find a reconized irda/usb dongle |
| 18:21.20 | jetscreamer | i have a w98 ebd .img for rawrite use if anybody wants |
| 18:21.33 | lewis | Dr_O: nope, I don't. |
| 18:21.43 | lewis | oh. - I do now - my bad. |
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| 18:21.52 | lewis | (piix, and drivers) |
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| 18:21.56 | quittt | why the fuck lots of packages are being removed?! |
| 18:22.01 | quittt | I cant understand that!! |
| 18:22.07 | quittt | gaim is being removed |
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| 18:22.17 | jetscreamer | quitte_: sounds like gnome-vfs-2 or something |
| 18:22.32 | jetscreamer | quittt: sid? |
| 18:22.57 | greycat | quittt: sounds like unstable. |
| 18:22.58 | lewis | Dr_O: /proc/ide/piix tells me that DMA and UDMA are enabled for drive0 on the Primary IDE Channel |
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| 18:23.15 | quittt | greycat, testing |
| 18:23.15 | Dr_O | lewis: "cat piix" to get some more info on the setup... (a bit safer than hdparm I think) |
| 18:23.25 | jetscreamer | ah test..ing |
| 18:23.29 | greycat | quittt: oh, "the other unstable" :) |
| 18:23.57 | jetscreamer | sounds like gnome-vfs-2 hit testing to me, not sure |
| 18:24.02 | quittt | it is going to remove 182 megabytes of APPS |
| 18:24.07 | quittt | what HELL is that?!?! |
| 18:24.13 | jetscreamer | put that on hold, try it. |
| 18:24.25 | TimeKilla | How do i use my NetInst cd to get linux to boot from the second partition again, since windows overwrote my MBR? |
| 18:24.31 | lewis | Dr_O: thanks for all your help. |
| 18:24.39 | greycat | quittt: say "no". |
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| 18:24.59 | jetscreamer | TimeKilla: what you do is you start the installer (boot cd) and take it all the way up to the partitioning point.. don't partition though.. shell out and chroot |
| 18:25.13 | Overand | will debian-installer support a net intall over *wifi* ? |
| 18:25.20 | Overand | (laptop, PCMCIA) |
| 18:25.28 | citral | likely |
| 18:25.28 | Anthro | quittt: I think you should get angry about it and yell at the channel full of peeople who might potentially help you sort things out. That's my advice. |
| 18:25.35 | Overand | (it's a compaq WL110 card, it's pretty well supported, apparently) |
| 18:25.35 | Dr_O | !rescue |
| 18:25.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ |
| 18:25.41 | Lee__ | this is cute. the apt cache thinks python is installed yet 'which python' returns nothing... |
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| 18:25.46 | shingouz | Overand: possibly but if the nic you have needs ndiswrapper you are out of luck |
| 18:25.51 | greycat | This package was debianized by G<C3><BC>rkan Seng<C3><BC>n <gurkan@linuks.mine.n |
| 18:25.51 | greycat | u> on |
| 18:25.54 | jetscreamer | !lart them for not putting a rescue image in d-i |
| 18:25.57 | greycat | tarzeau: you were holding out on me!! |
| 18:26.05 | niknemm | i want to combine the bandwidth of 3(three) adsl line that i have to a total of 34 users that i have... what program to install to my debian server? |
| 18:26.07 | Overand | shingouz: no it's a pretty well supported card, it's older, i forget the chipset, i think it's an orinoco |
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| 18:26.20 | Overand | (I'm using it right now on a laptop that has knoppix) |
| 18:26.23 | shingouz | Overand: should be supported then, try it |
| 18:26.35 | Dr_O | jetscreamer: there is a rescue udeb but it was too experimental for sarge :-( |
| 18:26.35 | Lee__ | oh, bizarre, the python2.3 and python packages are different! |
| 18:26.37 | jetscreamer | Lee__: python is probably python-blah or blah-python |
| 18:26.40 | quittt | updating to etch |
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| 18:26.43 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 18:26.46 | TimeKilla | jetscreamer: what do i type after chroot ? |
| 18:26.47 | paulswm | greycat: didn't look too far back in the logs. Was the SystemRescueCd of any use to you? If not sorry, I seee you were trying to completely remove Linux, and I'm not sure there was an MBR fix util on that CD althoguh there is a freedos floppy I think. You should, I think, have been able to go into XP, create a boot floppy and run fdisk /mbr from it, although it's so long since I did stuff like that I don't remember. |
| 18:26.52 | tarzeau | greycat: i was what? |
| 18:26.53 | Lee__ | what's the point of that?@! |
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| 18:26.57 | greycat | paulswm: yes, it was. it has ms-sys on it. |
| 18:27.00 | Overand | shingouz: k, thankx |
| 18:27.02 | Overand | guh |
| 18:27.03 | Overand | thanks |
| 18:27.07 | greycat | tarzeau: you didn't tell me ms-sys exists and would solve all my problems |
| 18:27.09 | shingouz | Overand: check with lsmod | grep orinoco. if that is the module the install kernel should support it |
| 18:27.12 | greycat | tarzeau: and it's *your package* |
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| 18:27.28 | jetscreamer | TimeKilla: follow that guide, i know nothing but what they say... i'd get lilo or grub working though |
| 18:27.35 | Overand | yeah it's orinoco, does d-i support older PCMCIA controllers? |
| 18:27.45 | Overand | heck |
| 18:27.48 | Overand | i'll just try it |
| 18:27.49 | tarzeau | greycat: hehe ;) |
| 18:27.53 | Overand | thanks for the words of encouragement, shingouz |
| 18:27.53 | paulswm | greycat: Oh, good. In that case, I'm a bit chuffed at being able to help out such an august person as yourself :P |
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| 18:28.01 | tarzeau | greycat: ahhhh that's why the lilo question.... |
| 18:28.14 | lewis | if you have usb support on your debian system, can you just plugin a USB keyboard and start typing? |
| 18:28.19 | tarzeau | wanted to check how long you need to find it ;) |
| 18:28.20 | jetscreamer | TimeKilla: needs information about what to do after he chroots into his sarge install to fix grub |
| 18:28.21 | shingouz | Overand: that is not a controller, it is a nick. orinoco-cs is in the standard linux kernel afaik. try installing with a 2.6 |
| 18:28.30 | greycat | !blame tarzeau |
| 18:28.32 | paulswm | !beat tarzeau for greycat |
| 18:28.33 | Dr_O | greycat: you know that lilo saves a backup of the boot sector when it is installed...? |
| 18:28.49 | Overand | shingouz: i'm saying that the laptop also has an older pcmcia controller |
| 18:28.52 | greycat | Dr_O: saves it where? in the no-longer-existent linux partition? |
| 18:28.56 | Overand | er |
| 18:28.58 | paulswm | Heh |
| 18:28.59 | Overand | 'bridge' |
| 18:29.02 | TimeKilla | how can i mount my 2nd hdd partition at a shell on the netinst cd.. thats my problem i can't chroot unless that drive is mounted right? |
| 18:29.06 | Dr_O | greycat: Haw did you guess !!! ;-) |
| 18:29.15 | jetscreamer | lilo doesn't care about your partitions for functionality |
| 18:29.15 | cddesjarisback | what kind of laptop Overand? |
| 18:29.16 | greycat | Dr_O: and how many copies? would the windows one be gone as soon as the first kernel update is made? |
| 18:29.22 | shingouz | Overand: yes it does support. what laptop precicely out of curiosity? |
| 18:29.25 | jetscreamer | lilo doesn't need a linux install.... grub does |
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| 18:29.34 | shingouz | Overand: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 18:29.50 | jetscreamer | i've had lilo booting a pure ms box before |
| 18:29.57 | Dr_O | greycat: It only saves the first time it is run. |
| 18:30.02 | jetscreamer | 99%poure ok |
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| 18:30.18 | greycat | Dr_O: *nod* |
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| 18:30.26 | paulswm | Dr_O is right on that one. |
| 18:30.27 | jetscreamer | if grub can't fine /boot/grub it freaks |
| 18:30.33 | cddesjarisback | i use an orinoco card and it works out of the box with slackware and knoppix |
| 18:30.34 | jetscreamer | s/fine/find/ |
| 18:30.39 | Zambba | What do I have to install to get Java working in my Mozilla Firefox in Debian? |
| 18:30.44 | greycat | !java |
| 18:30.45 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 18:30.45 | cddesjarisback | it's an inspiron 1100 |
| 18:30.51 | Dr_O | greycat: IThe lilo docs would have told you how to restore it... However as you had already deleted the linux partition (I'd have done the same myself probably)... then no go! |
| 18:30.53 | greycat | Zambba: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 18:31.09 | Anders1 | hi, i can't install any packages in my new etch install |
| 18:31.14 | greycat | Dr_O: what killed me was that I couldn't just *run* lilo from a rescue CD. |
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| 18:31.18 | Anders1 | it says unmet dependencies for everything |
| 18:31.19 | jetscreamer | so? |
| 18:31.20 | garuse | !xen |
| 18:31.21 | dpkg | i heard xen is A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. |
| 18:31.37 | Anders1 | anyone else with this problem? |
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| 18:31.43 | greycat | Dr_O: lilo needs to be chrooted into a *real* hard drive installation apparently. Cannot run from a RAM disk. |
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| 18:32.39 | Anders1 | epends: xdm but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:32.42 | Anders1 | etc |
| 18:32.45 | Dr_O | greycat: Hmm... I'm afraid I don;t believe that but I won't argue... youv'e been at it all day by the sounds of things! |
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| 18:33.59 | jetscreamer | well it sure won't try to read /target/etc/lilo.conf unless you tell it somehow |
| 18:34.05 | greycat | Dr_O: see http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~mibe/linux/lilo/user/d4hnode74.html and look for "unnamed" |
| 18:34.08 | TimeKilla | Just in case somebody has joined in the past 5 minutes that can shed some more light (the things i've already been told to do are too vague, or didn't work). |
| 18:34.10 | TimeKilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.18 | sewi | Hello, what should I do to have alsa sound on the stock kernel 2.6.8-586 after fresh installation of Sarge? |
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| 18:34.47 | cddesjarisback | alsamixer |
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| 18:35.08 | jetscreamer | Anders1: what was your apt-get install line |
| 18:35.12 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 18:35.12 | dpkg | well, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 18:35.14 | shingouz | sewi: alsaconf |
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| 18:35.23 | abrotman | update-grub;grub-install <device where you want it> |
| 18:35.31 | citral | TimeKilla: just press escape and go down in the menu to "install bootloader" ? |
| 18:35.34 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: You have read FAQ 28 from http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ ? |
| 18:36.09 | jetscreamer | grub & aptitude, a whining combination |
| 18:36.10 | abrotman | Dr_O: what do you think ? :) |
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| 18:36.16 | sewi | Now I have sound but I thing it's not alsa sound wheras both via82cxxx and snd-via82xx modules are loaded |
| 18:36.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: pun intended ? |
| 18:36.24 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:36.27 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 18:36.29 | abrotman | eww |
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| 18:36.31 | Dr_O | abrotman: I suspect not ;-) |
| 18:36.37 | abrotman | !punish jetscreamer for bad puns |
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| 18:36.53 | shingouz | sewi: blacklist the via82cxxx (/msg dpkg blacklist) |
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| 18:37.06 | jetscreamer | sewi: you might look at 'blacklisting' if you use discover/hotplug (sarge default) |
| 18:37.12 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 18:37.16 | abrotman | why does grub insist my scsi drive is hda ? |
| 18:37.26 | sewi | thank all for the ideas:) I'll try them |
| 18:37.34 | jetscreamer | you didn't append hda-scsi or whatever? |
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| 18:37.38 | abrotman | uhm |
| 18:37.38 | greycat | paulswm: Tux you mean? |
| 18:37.39 | exobyte | anyone ever used ssl explorer? |
| 18:37.41 | jetscreamer | s/-/=/ |
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| 18:37.44 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that doesn't even make sense |
| 18:37.54 | jetscreamer | i tried secpanel, it functions |
| 18:37.57 | abrotman | jetscreamer: run update-grub .. it inserts /dev/hda .. everywhere |
| 18:37.57 | paulswm | greycat: Oh, no...yes Tux! |
| 18:38.07 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and then fails to work :) |
| 18:38.09 | paulswm | !lose me |
| 18:38.09 | dpkg | paulswm: You Lose. |
| 18:38.23 | jetscreamer | abrotman: ah. i was thinking the append= in lilo.conf |
| 18:38.39 | abrotman | nerp |
| 18:38.59 | tarzeau | !seen jm_ |
| 18:39.00 | dpkg | jm_ <jm@febrile.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 1m 40s ago, saying: 'Belboz99: read the question again'. |
| 18:39.02 | paulswm | I'm always embarrassing myself here, someone should remove my IRC client |
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| 18:39.12 | abrotman | dpkg: purge paulswm |
| 18:39.14 | greycat | !qotd0 |
| 18:39.14 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
| 18:39.21 | dman_ | any reason why im getting this error: "Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found" |
| 18:39.26 | jetscreamer | !apt, get remove purge pauls' irc client |
| 18:39.27 | paulswm | Heh greycat, that would certainly detract from the solemnity of the occasion :) |
| 18:39.32 | greycat | dman_: change testing/updates to sarge/updates |
| 18:39.35 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 18:39.44 | jetscreamer | ~apt, get remove purge pauls' irc client |
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| 18:39.54 | abrotman | dpkg -P paulswm |
| 18:39.55 | TimeKilla | ok... how can i mount my primary's hdd partition 2 so that it can be accessed from the netinst cd? |
| 18:39.59 | abrotman | jeez |
| 18:40.13 | dman_ | greycat: THX. should i change something else in sources.lst? |
| 18:40.14 | Dr_O | dman_: as greycat says in the file /etc/apt/source.list |
| 18:40.38 | EdibleText | TimeKilla, type at boot: rescue root=/dev/hda2 |
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| 18:40.56 | paulswm | @test |
| 18:40.57 | ravenbird | paulswm: grrr, what do *you* want? |
| 18:41.01 | whm | how many people use Gnu/linux in the world? |
| 18:41.03 | citral | heh |
| 18:41.03 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: you followed faq28 to Next switch to VT2 |
| 18:41.10 | greycat | dman_: only if you had other errors |
| 18:41.18 | timday | Is non-us dead for testing now ? Just tried apt-update for first time on a couple of testing boxes and they're complaining about it |
| 18:41.21 | citral | whm: 2 or 3, maybe 4. |
| 18:41.22 | greycat | dman_: but if your other lines say 'testing' you might want them to say sarge instead. |
| 18:41.26 | smelialichu | I'm running Debian on a portable device with ext2 on the compact flash card. If I take the card out, put it in a card reader and write to it, then put it back in, the OS won't read the changes unless I reboot. Is there any way around this? |
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| 18:41.48 | Dr_O | EdibleText: no that will NOT work with sarge |
| 18:41.49 | abrotman | heh .. that alpha was running 2.4 .. and i did'nt evenk now it .. |
| 18:41.55 | abrotman | !punish abrotman for being a bad admin |
| 18:42.12 | paulswm | !aolify abrotman |
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| 18:42.32 | ludi | How do I add the ability to view "Windows Media Player" format videos? |
| 18:42.33 | abrotman | i had so much trouble with the damn alpha bootloader .. i thought i had left it on a 2.2 kernel |
| 18:42.41 | abrotman | ludi: you need win32 codecs |
| 18:42.49 | EdibleText | Dr_O, oh ... |
| 18:42.51 | K_Dallas | ludi: install mplayer or xine with appropraite codecs |
| 18:42.52 | thorie | hi... where can i go to get help with debian? |
| 18:42.54 | paulswm | ludi: to what? xine? |
| 18:42.58 | jetscreamer | i upgraded a grandma to stable from 'the other testing' last night, took an hour just for the d/l |
| 18:43.06 | streuner1 | thorie: here |
| 18:43.08 | ludi | paulswm: I'm using Gnome...I think it's called totem right? |
| 18:43.10 | jetscreamer | xine-ui |
| 18:43.16 | jetscreamer | totem-xine is one |
| 18:43.18 | auer | vcl |
| 18:43.23 | thorie | hi... where can i go to get help with sendmail? |
| 18:43.24 | jetscreamer | vlc |
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| 18:43.38 | auer | vlc yes :P |
| 18:43.41 | streuner1 | thorie: are you a bot? |
| 18:43.44 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: you followed faq28 to "Next switch to VT2" ? |
| 18:43.45 | thorie | streuner1: no |
| 18:43.46 | jetscreamer | #sendmail ? |
| 18:43.52 | thorie | jetscreamer: dead room |
| 18:43.54 | paulswm | ludi: google for it, include xine, there's a site out there, think it may be a sourceforge one |
| 18:43.55 | streuner1 | thorie: you are already in #sendmail |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | dead MTA |
| 18:43.59 | K_Dallas | thorie, is asking for ban or something ;) |
| 18:44.00 | jetscreamer | never used it myself |
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| 18:44.40 | c01100011 | i run sid because i feel that the best way to learn is by breaking stuff ocasionally, and i dist-upgraded yesterday without checking and broke some dependencies in gnome ,is it better to try to find old copies of packages and fix it or just wait the problem out ?> |
| 18:44.44 | paulswm | ludi: I installed the codecs, but I just can't remember the site off hand |
| 18:44.52 | streuner1 | thorie: why do you want use sendmail? |
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| 18:44.59 | dman_ | greycat, Dr_O: THX. did the trick.. so now id run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 18:45.03 | toonx | if i upgrade from sarge (stable) to etch (testing) will i be able to apt-get the fglrx ati driver? |
| 18:45.06 | citral | !laugh at c01100011 |
| 18:45.08 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! c01100011 just cracks me up! |
| 18:45.09 | jetscreamer | c01100011: that would be gnome-vfs-2 btw fyi, my opinion is wait it out |
| 18:45.14 | opqdonut | i don't know what took me so long. i just realised debian totally rules |
| 18:45.18 | gpm | c01100011: wait it out, or get the packages from experimental |
| 18:45.27 | K_Dallas | c01100011, you learn more if you do not waste time on errors that you know would happen, try sarge and save tens of hours and learn there |
| 18:45.28 | abrotman | c01100011: gnome2.10 is half in .. you're going to have to wait |
| 18:45.44 | jetscreamer | half in? heh |
| 18:45.49 | jetscreamer | cool though |
| 18:46.04 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | currently installing debian 3.1 and am amazed at how easy it is to install |
| 18:46.08 | paulswm | c01100011: That's like learning how to fly by crashing the plane :) |
| 18:46.08 | jetscreamer | c01100011: i just use icewm-gnome in the interim |
| 18:46.10 | abrotman | c01100011: the rest might make it in today |
| 18:46.12 | Dr_O | dman_: run aptitude update first then if you want to install security patches (I'm assuming you are running sarge and want to stay that way) aptitude upgrade |
| 18:46.16 | streuner1 | jetscreamer: GNOME is biiiigggg |
| 18:46.17 | abrotman | paulswm: what's wrong with that ? |
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| 18:46.23 | c01100011 | well i usually don't waste time on stupid stuff that i know is going to break on me, but i was all excited about new gnome that i just dist-upgraded with no check |
| 18:46.29 | sigma957 | anyone having problems getting debs from nerim.net? |
| 18:46.32 | jetscreamer | streuner1: yesh it is |
| 18:46.47 | streuner1 | sigma957: ping the net |
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| 18:46.53 | Belboz99 | Hey all |
| 18:46.55 | jetscreamer | oh yeah i don't have gnome installed anymore, but i do have icewm-gnome... which had that as a dep |
| 18:46.55 | c01100011 | jetscreamer- i usually use icewm but would like to try gnome out |
| 18:46.55 | paulswm | !singlishsmite abrotman |
| 18:46.56 | dpkg | abrotman: Ah, shaddup lah. You all fart and no shit only. |
| 18:46.56 | sigma957 | Pop_pa_FrEak: it's easy to install and to keep updated |
| 18:46.57 | K_Dallas | sigma957, try and retry, for the past 2-3 days it has been showing some problems |
| 18:47.10 | Belboz99 | anyone know how to merge two partitions? |
| 18:47.15 | gpm | c01100011: you have apt-listbugs? |
| 18:47.17 | abrotman | c01100011: well .. i guess you got what you asked for |
| 18:47.22 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | thanx for the info sigma957 |
| 18:47.28 | Belboz99 | I can make them both free space, but I can't get them together as one new partition |
| 18:47.49 | jetscreamer | Belboz99: delete them both then make a new one (fdisk or cfdisk) |
| 18:47.49 | sigma957 | thanks, K_Dallas and streuner1 |
| 18:47.57 | c01100011 | gpm- no , i am getting it now |
| 18:47.58 | paulswm | Belboz99: back up everything on them, delete the partitions, make one new one, copy everything back |
| 18:47.59 | K_Dallas | :) pleasure |
| 18:48.00 | jetscreamer | or just mount one under the other |
| 18:48.18 | dman_ | Dr_O: ive never ran aptitude.. dont have it on this system.. i was running woody with all the sec. updates until now |
| 18:48.30 | jetscreamer | dselect is better! |
| 18:48.39 | K_Dallas | i am upgrading but apt says it is going to downgrade my flashplayer-mozilla@ how come? |
| 18:48.42 | sewi | thanks to all, installing alsa-base and alsamixergui and blacklisting via82cxx helped to solve the problem:) |
| 18:48.52 | paulswm | Belboz99: If you are using lvm, you can put them both in the same volume group |
| 18:49.03 | gpm | c01100011: yeah...that's an important lesson to learn |
| 18:49.04 | Dr_O | dman_: have you upgrades to sarge? |
| 18:49.05 | Belboz99 | pual, what is lvm? |
| 18:49.09 | jetscreamer | is THAT what a volume group is |
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| 18:49.16 | jetscreamer | logical volume manager |
| 18:49.36 | dman_ | Dr_O: just did an apt-get update.. (??) |
| 18:49.38 | c01100011 | gpm - yeah, and it seems i learn most important lessons the hard way |
| 18:49.45 | gpm | c01100011: hehe |
| 18:49.50 | Belboz99 | okay, I just did an apt-get of lvm-common |
| 18:50.04 | jetscreamer | c01100011: i started out with sid... later i tried sarge... had to go back |
| 18:50.05 | Dr_O | dman_: I'm trying to understand the state of your system... is it a woody box or a sarge box? |
| 18:50.08 | TimeKilla | finally got it working.. d-i uses devfs paths .. I got it working by 1)mkdir /mnt 2)mount /dev/discs/disc0/part2 /mnt 3)chroot /mnt grub-install '(hd0)' 4)umount /mnt and then rebooting.. (just in case u guys need to do that sometime) |
| 18:50.10 | paulswm | Belboz99: logical volume manager, for an intro see this, if you need to move stuff around or resize from time to time, lvm makes life easier: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html |
| 18:50.18 | dman_ | Dr_O: woody. |
| 18:50.19 | kempo | i dont get *.zip.gz decompressed. what is the command? |
| 18:50.36 | Dave2 | gunzip? |
| 18:50.37 | Dr_O | dman_: do you wnat to upgrade to sarge or stay with woody? |
| 18:50.41 | Dave2 | .zip.gz is strange |
| 18:50.47 | abrotman | yes .. it is |
| 18:50.50 | jetscreamer | to unpack a .gz you tar xvzf blah.gz, iirc |
| 18:50.55 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | what's the best ftp site to download from ? |
| 18:51.01 | jetscreamer | zless to read a .gz doc |
| 18:51.02 | dman_ | Dr_O: looks like sarge is the way to go. |
| 18:51.03 | paulswm | lvm si teh win if you do much reorganizing |
| 18:51.10 | Dr_O | !release notes |
| 18:51.10 | dpkg | well, release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
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| 18:51.33 | Dr_O | dman_: see release notes... this will explain the whole upgrade |
| 18:51.56 | paulswm | Also, lvm does striping if you really must stripe |
| 18:51.57 | TimeKilla | next problem: Yesterday i installed gnome-core didn't work... so i setup xdm .. no luck. now i want to know how i can get my gnome interface up and running :) |
| 18:51.58 | dman_ | Dr_O: THX. having a look now. |
| 18:52.06 | c01100011 | jetscreamer- yeah, i like it , i know i may be above my head at times but i think it a good learning experience, so i take the abuse for using sid when the channel tells me to stick with stable |
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| 18:52.19 | paulswm | TimeKilla: which distro? sid? |
| 18:52.31 | TimeKilla | I used the netinst iso of sarge |
| 18:52.37 | Dr_O | dman_: it's a bit more complicated than just dist-upgrade (not a lot) but the release notes explain! |
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| 18:52.44 | glick | hey does anyone here use thunderbird? |
| 18:52.47 | glick | how is it? |
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| 18:52.53 | abrotman | c01100011: at least stick with testing |
| 18:53.05 | paulswm | glick: I use it, it works fine |
| 18:53.14 | Melfice` | dpkg: install |
| 18:53.14 | dpkg | install is probably To test sarge (upcoming Debian 3.1) see <http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/>. For woody (Debian 3.0), see http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 18:53.14 | jetscreamer | i use mozilla-mail, same as thunderbird i guess |
| 18:53.18 | jetscreamer | it functions |
| 18:53.23 | Melfice` | you guys should upload this as well |
| 18:53.33 | K_Dallas | ftp.nerim.net seems to be having moving around its packages, upgrade cannot find them right now! and the site ping ok |
| 18:53.38 | paulswm | Not the prettiest thing in the world, but better than Outlook Express |
| 18:53.41 | Dr_O | LVM snapshotting is good for consistent backups too (but not under 2.6 kernels yet) |
| 18:54.01 | else- | how to combine 2 or 3 different adsl line so that my bandwith and speed will be bigger and faster? |
| 18:54.06 | Dr_O | that is no / filesystem LVM snapshot in 2.6 yet |
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| 18:54.11 | drasko | Is there any software for visual editing databases that translates relational diagrams into sql code to use with MySQL? |
| 18:54.16 | TimeKilla | When i installed gnome before it worked fine.. but i had to reinstall linux.. this time i just wanted gnome-core and installed it. It didn't setup like the previous gnome did. How do i execute gnome-core from the command line? |
| 18:54.19 | jetscreamer | K_Dallas: might be the sarge -->stable thing |
| 18:54.26 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 18:54.39 | tarzeau | TimeKilla: startx ? |
| 18:54.41 | K_Dallas | but i downloaded mplayer from it earlier today |
| 18:54.45 | jetscreamer | K_Dallas: yesterday iirc stable was still woody on marillat |
| 18:55.01 | TimeKilla | startx: command not found |
| 18:55.03 | K_Dallas | but that is probably it |
| 18:55.04 | jetscreamer | K_Dallas: yeah. |
| 18:55.16 | jetscreamer | TimeKilla: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 18:55.21 | TimeKilla | thanx man |
| 18:55.32 | paulswm | Heck, it's going to take months for everyone to get stable codenames updated, it's going to take weeks to get the #debian bots up to speed I expect |
| 18:55.32 | tarzeau | TimeKilla: add -core |
| 18:55.34 | jetscreamer | TimeKilla: apt-get install x-window-system gnome|kde|whatever |
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| 18:55.47 | tarzeau | TimeKilla: s,whatever,gnustep, |
| 18:55.50 | jetscreamer | pick one or two or whatever |
| 18:56.00 | jetscreamer | gnustep yeah i meant to check that out sorry tarzeau |
| 18:56.01 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: if you just want to get this to work... run tasksel and select the desktop task... this will install all you need and throw you into a graphical login... If that is wat you want of course! |
| 18:56.01 | tarzeau | less is more |
| 18:56.11 | paulswm | !beat tarzeau for constant gnustep pimping |
| 18:56.18 | paulswm | j/k tarzeau :P |
| 18:56.19 | jetscreamer | NO don't run tasksel |
| 18:56.21 | tarzeau | paulswm: that was the first time today ;) |
| 18:56.25 | K_Dallas | less definitely offers more than more |
| 18:56.30 | TimeKilla | nope dr.. i want a super slim setup of gnome, not all the apps and stuff. |
| 18:56.34 | jetscreamer | unless you have lots of room to waste :) |
| 18:56.36 | paulswm | tarzeau: I love ya really, buddy :) |
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| 18:56.45 | tarzeau | paulswm: i'm healed of bub-n-bros |
| 18:56.54 | paulswm | tarzeau: *gasp* |
| 18:56.55 | Dr_O | TimeKiller: fair enough... follow the other good advice! |
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| 18:57.01 | jetscreamer | TimeKilla: you need to learn about meta-packages then, and how to avoid them |
| 18:57.03 | tarzeau | paulswm: fluffy dragons can go to hell |
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| 18:57.38 | paulswm | tarzeau: what's the new craze? there *has* to be something :) |
| 18:57.49 | tarzeau | paulswm: nothing, answering mails |
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| 18:58.04 | tarzeau | paulswm: back to nethack |
| 18:58.07 | glick | thunderbird is pretty |
| 18:58.12 | glick | perty |
| 18:58.17 | paulswm | purty |
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| 18:58.18 | jetscreamer | purty |
| 18:58.23 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 18:58.24 | tarzeau | paulswm: i'll beat you all in !debstats maybe |
| 18:58.33 | glick | whoohoo dbsmut.net is live! |
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| 18:58.43 | paulswm | See ya Dr_O |
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| 18:59.12 | tarzeau | paulswm: trying to do something useful again, fix my 3-4 packages |
| 18:59.13 | jetscreamer | abrotman is the god of debstats (or the guy with the biggest mouth) :) |
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| 18:59.18 | tarzeau | paulswm: and one license clarification |
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| 18:59.25 | jetscreamer | i'm only #14 |
| 18:59.28 | tarzeau | paulswm: and then a new gnustep deluxe live cd version |
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| 18:59.43 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: is #3 |
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| 19:00.00 | glick | i hope the bum administrator installs php |
| 19:00.06 | hkdom | anyone know when will etch enter testing? |
| 19:00.06 | glick | so i can load up my bblog |
| 19:00.09 | cddesjarisback | does disc 1 have fdisk on it? |
| 19:00.10 | tarzeau | glick: i wouldn't |
| 19:00.13 | jetscreamer | shingouz: is #2 |
| 19:00.13 | glick | like i asked him to |
| 19:00.17 | glick | tarzeau, why not? |
| 19:00.21 | jetscreamer | cddesjarisback: it should, not positive |
| 19:00.23 | tarzeau | glick: or you can be the administrator |
| 19:00.27 | paulswm | tarzeau: Cool I wish you fun and success! |
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| 19:00.31 | tarzeau | !administrator |
| 19:00.32 | dpkg | from memory, administrator is windows' lame term for root |
| 19:00.36 | paulswm | !qotd120 |
| 19:00.36 | dpkg | i heard qotd120 is <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
| 19:00.39 | hkdom | anyone know when will etch enter testing? |
| 19:00.46 | glick | dpkg, its a unix machine |
| 19:00.46 | tarzeau | paulswm: did you code whatever you wanted to? |
| 19:00.51 | glick | tarzeau, its a unix machine |
| 19:00.55 | shruggar | it it possible to use ssh without the server being able to accept incomming connections? (the way a VNC server can connect to a listening client) |
| 19:01.00 | tarzeau | glick: so what? |
| 19:01.09 | glick | so why wouldnt he install php? |
| 19:01.17 | jetscreamer | "kodek: your attitude sucks" |
| 19:01.18 | paulswm | tarzeau: No, have bee feeling a bit unwell, didn't get much done outside essential professional work the last couple of days |
| 19:01.18 | tarzeau | glick: for many and much reasons |
| 19:01.44 | Belboz99 | hey, how come I don't have permissions to write to my own hard drive? |
| 19:01.46 | glick | i pay 35 grand to go here that bum better install phpo! |
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| 19:02.01 | keikoz | hi everybody |
| 19:02.10 | tarzeau | Belboz99: as user? |
| 19:02.15 | Belboz99 | yeah |
| 19:02.16 | glick | tarzeau, php is secure, its been around for a decade |
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| 19:02.29 | abrotman | jetscreamer: why you say that ? |
| 19:02.31 | paulswm | 881 people say hi to keikoz, one at a time |
| 19:02.31 | tarzeau | glick: windows has been around for a decade too, and doesn't sucks less |
| 19:02.34 | Belboz99 | I guess I'll log in aain as root |
| 19:02.39 | citral | does someone know what "IRQ10 nobody cared!" when plugging a pcmcia card means ? |
| 19:02.43 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 19:02.45 | hkdom | anyone know when will etch enter testing? |
| 19:02.46 | glick | tarzeau, php rocks |
| 19:02.48 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:02.53 | jetscreamer | Is TimeKilla stupid or just asking too many questions? 32.9% lines contained a question! |
| 19:02.54 | jetscreamer | mwilson didn't know that much either. 31.3% of his lines were questions. |
| 19:03.01 | greycat | hkdom: 'bout yesterday, I reckon |
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| 19:03.13 | paulswm | !what's really annoying |
| 19:03.13 | dpkg | repeating |
| 19:03.14 | hkdom | icic, thx |
| 19:03.15 | abrotman | jetscreamer: why don't you like me ? |
| 19:03.17 | jetscreamer | lol@mwilson |
| 19:03.19 | greycat | jetscreamer: probably rhetorical ones |
| 19:03.22 | tarzeau | glick: whatever, i don't like it. can you show me some php work you did? |
| 19:03.24 | jetscreamer | abrotman i lub j00 |
| 19:03.34 | abrotman | jetscreamer: but you say mean things about me! |
| 19:03.39 | Belboz99 | okay, how do I log in as root? |
| 19:03.47 | greycat | Belboz99: don't. use su. |
| 19:03.49 | gpm | username root |
| 19:03.55 | tarzeau | Belboz99: what's the password? |
| 19:03.56 | paulswm | jetscreamer: yeah but his questions are things like "I don't suppose it occured to you to read the guide?" |
| 19:03.59 | glick | tarzeau, i did some php stuff for work, it makes it realy easy to to deliver dynamic content and server side processing |
| 19:04.00 | gpm | hahah |
| 19:04.01 | Belboz99 | yeah, but it won't let me log in |
| 19:04.01 | jetscreamer | shingouz spoke a total of 27875 words! |
| 19:04.01 | jetscreamer | shingouz's faithful follower, abrotman, didn't speak so much: 17904 words. |
| 19:04.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: on the debstats ? |
| 19:04.11 | hkdom | php rocks |
| 19:04.19 | jetscreamer | paulswm: yeah i know mwilson |
| 19:04.23 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yeah |
| 19:04.30 | glick | i used it to develop web based order forms |
| 19:04.32 | paulswm | jetscreamer: I know you know :) |
| 19:04.36 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/rockstone.jpg |
| 19:04.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: guess i have shorter lines .. i'm succint! |
| 19:04.54 | glick | bblog uses php |
| 19:05.03 | Belboz99 | The system administrator is not allowed to log in from this screen, WTF? |
| 19:05.12 | abrotman | Belboz99: is this a server ? |
| 19:05.13 | jetscreamer | it occured to me once that if mwilson couldn't say anything about what i do in linux i can't be doing all that bad :) |
| 19:05.23 | abrotman | and why are oyu trying to login via gdm/kdm/xdm as root ? |
| 19:05.34 | glick | damn when i think about my test that i have tomorrow it gives me a stomach ache :( |
| 19:05.36 | paulswm | jethro: Heh |
| 19:05.41 | Belboz99 | because I was hoping to use KDE as root |
| 19:05.45 | jetscreamer | tab |
| 19:05.49 | paulswm | Belboz99: Very Bad Idea |
| 19:05.50 | tarzeau | LOLZ |
| 19:05.50 | abrotman | Belboz99: don't .. just don't |
| 19:05.55 | Belboz99 | alright |
| 19:05.58 | EdibleText | !pal Belboz99 |
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| 19:06.17 | jetscreamer | Belboz99: what i do is once in kde, sudo blah from an xterm |
| 19:06.24 | jetscreamer | works the same |
| 19:06.27 | jetscreamer | so far |
| 19:06.27 | Belboz99 | how do I get this so I can share my 60GB Partition with Windows? |
| 19:06.35 | paulswm | Belboz99: Big security risk, better to log in as user and sudo or su in an xterm |
| 19:06.37 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i didn't know you used KDE... |
| 19:06.38 | m4lu7 | i'm tossing sarge on an Emachines, it's got an nvidia NIC. which driver works w/that nic? |
| 19:06.39 | greycat | Belboz99: make a FAT32 partition. |
| 19:06.50 | tarzeau | Belboz99: www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ |
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| 19:06.57 | jetscreamer | Belboz99: you need space on your hd, aka backup the windows shit and delete the partition and make 2 |
| 19:07.00 | greycat | m4lu7: depends on which one. |
| 19:07.01 | rikva | Belboz99: log in as user and use kdesu <program> ... |
| 19:07.15 | greycat | m4lu7: you probably want "linux26" or better yet, a $20 PCI NIC. |
| 19:07.19 | K_Dallas | greycat, what i do in windows, i have installed total commander and it has a plugin to READ from ext2-3 and reiserfs partitions which i use |
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| 19:07.22 | m4lu7 | greycat, i did linux26, |
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| 19:07.26 | glick | running any program other then those in /sbin as root is asking for trouble |
| 19:07.32 | K_Dallas | i meant Belboz99 |
| 19:07.37 | m4lu7 | and that's what i'm thinking, too. a cheapie PCI nic :) |
| 19:07.42 | jetscreamer | explore2fs works also |
| 19:07.48 | sewi | Could anyone point me to an article for a newbie on how to speed up boot time and switch off redundant stuff? |
| 19:07.50 | greycat | as does FAT32. |
| 19:07.53 | m4lu7 | so something generic, like ne or tulip won't drive it? |
| 19:07.57 | m4lu7 | damn. |
| 19:07.59 | tarzeau | sewi: read harden-doc |
| 19:08.01 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 19:08.01 | dpkg | harden-doc is probably http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 19:08.09 | greycat | both windows and linux can read *and* write FAT32 partitions. as long as your pr0n doesn't need group permissions, you're fine. |
| 19:08.22 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 19:08.33 | greycat | m4lu7: usually "forcedeth" or the other one whose name escapes me |
| 19:08.46 | m4lu7 | All i can find about this wretchd emachines indicates, "IEEE802.3 nVidia 10/100 Mbps Fast Ethernet" |
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| 19:08.47 | Dave2 | nvnet? |
| 19:08.48 | sewi | tarzeau, thanks |
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| 19:08.58 | tarzeau | Dave2: i hate them |
| 19:09.02 | m4lu7 | Dave2, i don't see that in the linux26 modules list |
| 19:09.04 | glick | dont knock a man for havin porn |
| 19:09.06 | paulswm | glick: /sbin doesn't contain, for example, cp, mv, adduser, etc, so that would make sys admin a bit hard :) |
| 19:09.12 | tarzeau | m4lu7: non-free |
| 19:09.13 | jetscreamer | you might/could have a problem with >2gb files on vfat |
| 19:09.16 | Dave2 | It won't be, it's non-free |
| 19:09.18 | glick | Pauk, those commands are built-ins |
| 19:09.21 | jetscreamer | there is no non-free i thought |
| 19:09.22 | greycat | jetscreamer: ah, true. |
| 19:09.23 | Overand | hey, i've got a question |
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| 19:09.25 | Dave2 | forcedeth is the reverse-engineered driver. |
| 19:09.30 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: it's not debian |
| 19:09.31 | glick | paulswm, those are builtins to the shell, not stand alone programs |
| 19:09.34 | greycat | so you'll have to limit yourself to 2GB pr0n files. |
| 19:09.41 | CompBrain | 3lol |
| 19:09.42 | Overand | it's re: installing a system w/multiboot in the 'unpreferred' order of linux then windoze |
| 19:09.43 | m4lu7 | greycat, yeah. found forcedeth. |
| 19:09.45 | K_Dallas | no DVD for you ;) |
| 19:09.46 | CompBrain | Hey Overand |
| 19:09.49 | m4lu7 | works. groovy. thanks. |
| 19:10.00 | Overand | heya CompBrain |
| 19:10.02 | Overand | what's up? |
| 19:10.04 | paulswm | glick: no, they're not. |
| 19:10.05 | greycat | K_Dallas: trancode it to OGM/avi/mpeg first... |
| 19:10.19 | CompBrain | Not to much. Downloading 4 gigs of WMV's to finish a dvd |
| 19:10.22 | jetscreamer | avi has a problem with >2gb files |
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| 19:10.26 | K_Dallas | greycat, that is not really my problem :) |
| 19:10.27 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 19:10.29 | Overand | CompBrain: did i tell you i saw another wbrk guy here, randomly? |
| 19:10.34 | greycat | jetscreamer: drop the bitrate, then. |
| 19:10.45 | Overand | jetscreamer: windows in general has a problem with 2gig+ files |
| 19:10.48 | glick | paulswm, yeah their not |
| 19:10.51 | jetscreamer | hell wget has a problem with >2gb files |
| 19:10.56 | glick | but other then those |
| 19:10.57 | greycat | most everything does. |
| 19:10.59 | paulswm | glick: :D |
| 19:11.02 | Overand | heh |
| 19:11.04 | amorphix | is an Intel Celeron 700mhz better than a P-3 600mhz? |
| 19:11.06 | glick | you shouldnt be running shit as root |
| 19:11.06 | Overand | i bet dd does ok with it |
| 19:11.09 | Overand | amorphix: no |
| 19:11.11 | paulswm | !prize me |
| 19:11.14 | K_Dallas | amorphix, nope |
| 19:11.16 | amorphix | oh |
| 19:11.23 | greycat | amorphix: might be better at some jobs, worse at others |
| 19:11.26 | c01100011 | nano didn't like the three gigs of random numbers i had perl outputting for a few days |
| 19:11.27 | amorphix | would it be considerably slower? |
| 19:11.30 | tarzeau | amorphix: i'd say no |
| 19:11.32 | Overand | amorphix: a celeron 700 is probably about roughlty comparabile in general to a p3-500 |
| 19:11.38 | glick | i want to develop computer based sex toys |
| 19:11.38 | tarzeau | amorphix: yes. celeron is the worst |
| 19:11.42 | amorphix | ah |
| 19:11.44 | Overand | on a few tasks the celeron will perform much worse |
| 19:11.46 | jetscreamer | also, which one o/c's better |
| 19:11.47 | pipeline | amorphix: Yes, it would be considerably slower. |
| 19:11.49 | Overand | on some tasks it will perform almost the same |
| 19:11.52 | tarzeau | glick: seriously? |
| 19:11.55 | jetscreamer | oc that baby |
| 19:11.58 | K_Dallas | glick, you mean sexy keyboard and mice? ;) |
| 19:11.59 | EdibleText | glick, force-feedback cyber diaper? |
| 19:12.06 | amorphix | whats the deal with the Celeron then? why was it introduced? |
| 19:12.07 | abrotman | Overand: and on some .. the celeron would win |
| 19:12.11 | pipeline | amorphix: The Celeron has a 66 MHz bus. The Pentium 3 has a 100 MHz bus. Go figure. |
| 19:12.14 | glick | sex toys you plug into your usb plug and watch interactive sex movies while the sex toy interactively gets you off |
| 19:12.14 | K_Dallas | amorphix, to be cheaper ;) |
| 19:12.15 | abrotman | amorphix: because AMD makes cheap stuff go faster :) |
| 19:12.18 | amorphix | oh |
| 19:12.19 | greycat | amorphix: guess.... hint, it starts with "money" and ends with "money" |
| 19:12.20 | pipeline | amorphix: It was introduced so that they could rape you harder on the high-end stuff. |
| 19:12.30 | abrotman | greycat: i think i know that song |
| 19:12.31 | amorphix | hehe |
| 19:12.33 | Overand | amorphix: right, right, he's comparing 700 and 600 |
| 19:12.33 | glick | in sync with the movie |
| 19:12.35 | Overand | er |
| 19:12.36 | pipeline | amorphix: It's called "Market segmentation" |
| 19:12.37 | Overand | abrotman: |
| 19:12.41 | Overand | gah, forget it |
| 19:12.41 | abrotman | Overand: |
| 19:12.44 | abrotman | heh |
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| 19:12.59 | amorphix | sorry i got confused i thought Celeron was Intel |
| 19:13.01 | abrotman | Overand: i know .. but the 700Mhz celeron could still do better |
| 19:13.08 | takatumi | amorphix: it is. |
| 19:13.13 | glick | isnt that a great idea? |
| 19:13.21 | abrotman | it's not like it's a 2.3 vs a 2.4 .. that's 1/7 of the other's clock speed |
| 19:13.32 | K_Dallas | glick, not really |
| 19:13.32 | Overand | abrotman: yeah, exactly. |
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| 19:13.46 | Overand | i forgot we weren't comparing clock-identical chips |
| 19:13.46 | abrotman | Overand: right .. the celeron 700 probably does better for somethings |
| 19:13.48 | glick | K_Dallas, they said fedex wasnt a good idea at first too |
| 19:13.58 | punkrockguy318 | Is there any terminal in debian that supports true transparency using the composite extension? |
| 19:14.01 | K_Dallas | glick, that is the worst argument i have ever heard :) |
| 19:14.03 | glick | as a matter of fact, it was even once said that Linux wasnt a good idea! |
| 19:14.08 | amorphix | im considering buying a Celeron 700 laptop |
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| 19:14.09 | tarzeau | punkrockguy318: Terminal.app |
| 19:14.15 | abrotman | amorphix: for how much $$ ? |
| 19:14.20 | amorphix | but ive been using a P3-600 up until now |
| 19:14.21 | m4lu7 | Ok. new box, chloe, is being installed. wheee. |
| 19:14.22 | Belboz99 | hey, what do I do with the localhost and local share? |
| 19:14.22 | abrotman | in USD please :) |
| 19:14.28 | m4lu7 | (pr0n themed boxen) |
| 19:14.34 | amorphix | abrotman £150 |
| 19:14.38 | cddesjarisback | i have a celeron 700 laptop? |
| 19:14.39 | abrotman | $300 USD ? |
| 19:14.41 | Belboz99 | it keeps on coming up with an error at that part |
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| 19:14.44 | amorphix | about that |
| 19:14.57 | tarzeau | punkrockguy318: http://web.telia.com/~u42308495/alex/gds-2.png |
| 19:15.01 | cddesjarisback | isn't celeron a processor |
| 19:15.02 | punkrockguy318 | tarzeau, thank you |
| 19:15.09 | abrotman | amorphix: if you have a PIII-600 .. i'd save my money .. you can buy an HP laptop for like 600$ USD |
| 19:15.13 | tarzeau | punkrockguy318: and yes, it's fast |
| 19:15.19 | jetscreamer | yes cddesjarisback or a name for a low end one |
| 19:15.25 | punkrockguy318 | tarzeau, what package is this contained in? |
| 19:15.30 | amorphix | you think so? i have been looking at some HP Omnibooks |
| 19:15.31 | tarzeau | punkrockguy318: terminal.app |
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| 19:15.43 | tarzeau | punkrockguy318: but you also want gnustep gnustep-devel gnustep-games nethack zsh and wmaker |
| 19:15.44 | amorphix | im sick of laptops breaking or dying on me, i need a quality make |
| 19:15.50 | punkrockguy318 | okay |
| 19:15.52 | abrotman | IBM! |
| 19:15.53 | paulswm | glick: Of course, I'm messing with you, the principle of running nothing as root unless you have to is very sound, and I personally think that attempts to execute, say, IRC clients as root should always result in the response "You have to be fucking kidding." :P |
| 19:15.54 | glick | i will be the interactive sex king pin of adult entertainment |
| 19:15.55 | pipeline | amorphix: Then buy IBM, silly |
| 19:16.02 | m4lu7 | IBM blows. |
| 19:16.05 | tarzeau | punkrockguy318: and also install supertransball2 supertux jumpnbump ttf-junicode |
| 19:16.05 | c01100011 | how are the new ibm thinkpads ? |
| 19:16.06 | amorphix | i dont like IBM and would never buy any of their products |
| 19:16.19 | jetscreamer | ibm sold thinkpad to sony or somebody |
| 19:16.20 | abrotman | ibm makes the best laptops money can buy .. except perhaps a Toughbook |
| 19:16.20 | m4lu7 | i quit IBM because they blow. |
| 19:16.24 | abrotman | jetscreamer: lenova |
| 19:16.29 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:16.30 | punkrockguy318 | tarzeau, heh |
| 19:16.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: apple laptops? |
| 19:16.33 | c01100011 | some china man company |
| 19:16.36 | paulswm | IBM Thinkpads are great. |
| 19:16.36 | amorphix | but IBM sucks at design |
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| 19:16.38 | glick | thinkpad went to chinese Lanova |
| 19:16.40 | jetscreamer | apple is going x86 get a mac |
| 19:16.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm .. not even close |
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| 19:16.57 | abrotman | amorphix: i have a TP .. it's fantastic .. |
| 19:17.00 | amorphix | i looked at some powerbooks but they're so expensive and also prone to problems |
| 19:17.06 | jetscreamer | you have toliet paper? |
| 19:17.14 | EdibleText | yeah they bought 'Thinkpad' and licensed the 'IBM'logo for 5 years |
| 19:17.29 | c01100011 | is lanova holding up the ibm quality, i recently saw something on a thinkpad, tablet but don't know much about it |
| 19:17.29 | abrotman | !tp |
| 19:17.29 | dpkg | Think Pad |
| 19:17.32 | pipeline | amorphix: "sucks at design" ? |
| 19:17.36 | amorphix | IBM TP's are good machines, but i think they lack something in the design department |
| 19:17.39 | pipeline | amorphix: You can't go wrong with black and square. |
| 19:17.42 | Belboz99 | tarzeau, I'm stuck on //localhost/localshare |
| 19:17.45 | amorphix | hehe |
| 19:17.46 | abrotman | c01100011: noone knows .. they just started selling them |
| 19:17.50 | jetscreamer | dpkg, tp is also known as Toilet Paper |
| 19:17.50 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 19:17.58 | tarzeau | Belboz99: and now you want me to read your mind? |
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| 19:18.02 | pipeline | amorphix: You can buy one IBM or you can buy three powerbooks. Because Apple warranties aren't worth the paper they're printed on :) |
| 19:18.06 | glick | i am quite happy with my humble little dell inspiron 8200 laptop with 1gig ram 1.8gig P4 and a uxga+ 15 inch screen with a nvidia MX geforece 4 |
| 19:18.07 | Belboz99 | sure! |
| 19:18.08 | MoonPrincess | Rigth after I did an upgrade from woody to sarge all was fine, till I rebooted now lilo give a 'LI' boot msg... any idea how I can fix this? I tried using a live CD, mounting hda1 and writing lilo. Wasn't a solution, any suggestions? |
| 19:18.09 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:18.13 | amorphix | true |
| 19:18.15 | tarzeau | wait i'll polymorph into a mind flayer and suck your brain out with my tentacles |
| 19:18.18 | paulswm | the IBM initials in Arabic could be translated to "God willing, maybe tomorrow" |
| 19:18.22 | glick | shes not much but shes mine :) |
| 19:18.23 | shingouz | jetscreamer: while you're at it, make Think Pad ThinkPad :p |
| 19:18.23 | amorphix | im buying 2nd user tho |
| 19:18.28 | amorphix | i'd never buy new laptop |
| 19:18.29 | Belboz99 | it comes up with an error, I don't really know what to put there |
| 19:18.32 | jetscreamer | MoonPrincess: did you run 'lilo' after editing lilo.conf? |
| 19:18.37 | abrotman | amorphix: really .. save your money |
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| 19:18.43 | tarzeau | Belboz99: i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 19:18.45 | MoonPrincess | jetscreamer I didn't edit it tho! |
| 19:18.50 | tarzeau | Belboz99: because you waited too long |
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| 19:18.54 | amorphix | ok i wont buy the Celeron |
| 19:18.54 | Belboz99 | I know that my localhost should be //danscomputer |
| 19:18.58 | jetscreamer | ok, edit it and make sure it's correct |
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| 19:19.04 | Belboz99 | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/mount.txt |
| 19:19.09 | paulswm | My experiences with Dell laptops have convinced me that they are crap. |
| 19:19.11 | amorphix | i need a P3-700 |
| 19:19.13 | jetscreamer | shouldn't it be \\computer |
| 19:19.13 | MoonPrincess | unless the upgrade did. I looked it over, all seems fine. |
| 19:19.18 | K_Dallas | paulswm, IBM, how do you say it in Arabic? Inshallah B? M? |
| 19:19.23 | abrotman | amorphix: how much ram do you have ? |
| 19:19.23 | amorphix | Dell is crap? |
| 19:19.24 | amorphix | why? |
| 19:19.25 | shingouz | MoonPrincess: you booted the rescue cd, mounted the hd.. did you chroot onto the hd before running lilo? |
| 19:19.30 | glick | paulswm, i havent had an issue with mine |
| 19:19.31 | jetscreamer | or is that windows |
| 19:19.31 | abrotman | dell is crap |
| 19:19.33 | Belboz99 | hmm jetscreamer |
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| 19:19.39 | EdibleText | !dell |
| 19:19.39 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
| 19:19.41 | amorphix | abrotman: at the moment in this Compaq Armada M700 i have 384mb |
| 19:19.42 | Belboz99 | well, it is a windows share |
| 19:19.42 | glick | i havent had an issue with my humble machine |
| 19:19.52 | Mikeee | is it "safe" to apt-get upgrade an old woody, anybody here tried? |
| 19:20.00 | tarzeau | Belboz99: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg ? |
| 19:20.01 | paulswm | K_Dallas: Forgive spelling, but I think it's Inch'allah bukrah maleesh |
| 19:20.02 | amorphix | it flies! but the lcd hinge has gone, so it cant stand up too well at angles greater than 90 degrees |
| 19:20.04 | cddesjarisback | is cd 3 worth downloading to install sarge? |
| 19:20.05 | abrotman | amorphix: i could give you a long story .. but dell is crap .. but i mostly have dreadful experiences with the desktops .. though ..i don't care for thier laptops either |
| 19:20.09 | EdibleText | !dell is also crap |
| 19:20.09 | dpkg | EdibleText: okay |
| 19:20.11 | ramzez | hello people |
| 19:20.12 | shingouz | Mikeee: should be |
| 19:20.14 | jetscreamer | mekka lekka hiney ho! |
| 19:20.27 | cddesjarisback | i can use the first 2 cds to get my comp up and running and download stuff off the web later right? |
| 19:20.28 | greycat | Mikeee: yes, people have done it. |
| 19:20.29 | K_Dallas | paulswm, thanks (i dont know the other words anyway, thought maybe i knew) |
| 19:20.31 | abrotman | oop eek orp ah ah |
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| 19:20.32 | takatumi | cddesjarisback: usually CD1 is all you need. get the rest off the net. |
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| 19:20.38 | cddesjarisback | great thanks! |
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| 19:20.45 | jetscreamer | cddesjarisback: you should only need #1 but yeah |
| 19:20.45 | Mikeee | greycat: here goes... :) |
| 19:20.46 | Fleck | mplayer for debian |
| 19:20.48 | Fleck | help :) |
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| 19:20.53 | jetscreamer | !mplayer |
| 19:20.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 19:21.01 | Fleck | thanks |
| 19:21.03 | EdibleText | abrotman, is that dutch? |
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| 19:21.06 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 19:21.06 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 19:21.06 | paulswm | K_Dallas: Was funny in the 70s when IBM would sell software beofre it was actually written. |
| 19:21.11 | abrotman | EdibleText: it's the jetsons |
| 19:21.15 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 19:21.19 | jetscreamer | oop ork eep ahah |
| 19:21.20 | Draconicus | How can I get a list of unloaded modules? |
| 19:21.21 | cddesjarisback | i like kaffeine |
| 19:21.21 | MoonPrincess | shingouz I didn't have a rescue CD after the upgrade from woody to sarge... I used a live CD |
| 19:21.21 | sewi | is it worth to look for optimization in Debian? What do you think? For example, archlinux and slackware are much faster but I spent a lot of time on compliling missing packages. Is this the reason you are on Debian? |
| 19:21.25 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:21.29 | cddesjarisback | xine screws up on my box |
| 19:21.34 | abrotman | EdibleText: i'm really not kidding |
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| 19:21.38 | jetscreamer | xine-ui |
| 19:21.39 | Fleck | !mplayer-386 |
| 19:21.39 | pipeline | sewi: "much faster" ? ahhahahahhahahahahah |
| 19:21.42 | abrotman | oop eek orp ah ah means i love you .. ask jetscreamer |
| 19:21.43 | ramzez | I use a apt repository to install E17 on my system, but now, when I run aptitude upgrade, I get the following message : "The following packages have been kept back: enlightenment". Do you know how to get rid of this message ? |
| 19:21.49 | hool | !tell me about kernel building |
| 19:21.51 | Draconicus | Hmm... I think mplayer came with my installation of GNOME... o.O |
| 19:21.56 | jetscreamer | Fleck: /msg dpkg <blah> |
| 19:21.56 | shingouz | MoonPrincess: but when you booted the cd and mounted the hd, did you chroot onto the hd before running lilo? |
| 19:21.56 | K_Dallas | jetscreamer, does vlc or xine offer similar command line options? |
| 19:21.59 | Draconicus | I don't recall compiling it. |
| 19:22.01 | c01100011 | what is up with dpkg being undecided on things ... "marillat is probably" "rumour has it, mplayer is no" |
| 19:22.03 | jetscreamer | Draconicus: not in debian |
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| 19:22.04 | Fleck | okz |
| 19:22.08 | pipeline | K_Dallas: vlc has a command line interface, yes |
| 19:22.21 | K_Dallas | pipeline, i will check that out thanks |
| 19:22.22 | jetscreamer | K_Dallas: one programs i have (dvdrip?) seems to indicate yes |
| 19:22.24 | Draconicus | mplayer-386... package I must have apt-get installed. |
| 19:22.25 | jetscreamer | dunno htough |
| 19:22.31 | MoonPrincess | shingouz can I msg you? |
| 19:22.33 | sewi | pipeline, yes i feel they are faster |
| 19:22.37 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 19:22.37 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 19:22.44 | pipeline | sewi: "Feel" is utter bullshit. |
| 19:22.47 | sphere | sewi: just make sure you use libc6-i686 if appropriate |
| 19:22.47 | shingouz | MoonPrincess: uhh... preferably not |
| 19:22.50 | K_Dallas | thank you, i just love mplayer flags and capabilities |
| 19:22.51 | glick | fsck they wont let me install php on my schoo website |
| 19:22.52 | paulswm | sewi: reliability, good package management, ease of administration, I doubt whther you'll find much speed differences comparing identical versions of the software being tested. |
| 19:22.55 | glick | what assholes |
| 19:23.04 | Draconicus | Anyway, how can I get a list of unloaded modules? |
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| 19:23.29 | paulswm | !beat glick's school sysadmins |
| 19:23.38 | dippo | anyone have a suggestion for the easiest way that I could point one machine needing to upgrade a slew of sarge packages to another that has most of them in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:23.41 | maher | Draconicus: look in /lib/modules/kernelname |
| 19:23.44 | EdibleText | glick, ingratiate yourself to the schools IT dept. |
| 19:23.45 | dippo | short of just copying them over and installing |
| 19:23.49 | rking | anyone know how to cycle through X resolutions without hitting Ctrl+Alt+(+/-)? I'm vnc'd into a machine, and can't seem to figure it out |
| 19:23.50 | Biff | could anyone recommend me a ldap howto for use with sarge? |
| 19:24.01 | glick | EdibleText, ? |
| 19:24.08 | shingouz | MoonPrincess: ping? |
| 19:24.12 | MoonPrincess | shingouz ok well... I did this: ran the live cd. mkdir temp1. mount /dev/hda1 temp1. cd temp1/etc/. took a look at lilo... tried to run 'lilo' |
| 19:24.34 | paulswm | dippo: you could mount it as an nfs volume |
| 19:24.38 | EdibleText | glick, bring them tribute and be an IT groupie. |
| 19:24.45 | rking | MoonPrincess: that's not going to work, because lilo will try to install its boot record to / |
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| 19:24.54 | shingouz | MoonPrincess: ok, you missed something pretty important, you should have chrooted onto the temp1 before running lilo |
| 19:24.58 | rking | MoonPrincess: try chroot tmp1, then lilo |
| 19:25.02 | paulswm | dippo: just the debs directory, though. |
| 19:25.02 | c01100011 | rking - some desktop enviorments have an app to switch resolution on the fly |
| 19:25.09 | dippo | yeah, i guess. but the directory structurein /var/cache/apt/archives is not apt-get friendly by itself is it |
| 19:25.10 | jetscreamer | MoonPrincess: what live cd |
| 19:25.11 | glick | i guess ill have to set up my own server but i dont know much about security |
| 19:25.13 | Biff | dippo: how about mounting the folder over nfs or smbfs? |
| 19:25.21 | glick | so it will probably get owned within the first day |
| 19:25.21 | jetscreamer | but yeah chroot |
| 19:25.55 | jetscreamer | dippo: you would dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 19:25.59 | rking | c01100011: do you know the names of any? |
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| 19:26.22 | dippo | yeah, but i don't wnat to install everything in that directory |
| 19:26.22 | shingouz | MoonPrincess: after chroot and lilo, you need to exit, sync, umount temp1, shutdown -r now; remove the cd and cross your fingers. the sync is not really needed but i like to do it in such cases just to be sure |
| 19:26.30 | dippo | i'd just like to have it made available to the machine doing the upgrading |
| 19:26.32 | maher | dippo: apt-move |
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| 19:26.33 | paulswm | dippo: but you just want access to the debs, the other stuff should be on the box on which you are installing |
| 19:26.46 | dippo | aha, apt-move |
| 19:26.47 | dippo | excellent |
| 19:26.48 | c01100011 | rking - gnomes is resapplet |
| 19:26.49 | dippo | that's what i need |
| 19:27.06 | rking | c01100011: awesome - thanks |
| 19:27.56 | glick | is there a cheap hosting place where i can have php support? |
| 19:27.59 | jetscreamer | i'm going to assimilate yet another box and install debian in a dual-boot env |
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| 19:28.02 | MoonPrincess | jetscreamer whompix |
| 19:28.10 | shingouz | whompix? |
| 19:28.10 | jetscreamer | muhahaha damn clients |
| 19:28.17 | jetscreamer | is the live cd she's using |
| 19:28.19 | glick | anyone have any recommendations? |
| 19:28.33 | shingouz | that was a new one, we need to make a whompixsmite :) |
| 19:28.36 | glick | or if i set up my own will it be reletively secure? |
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| 19:28.43 | citral | fuck it. This pcmcia shit is going to kill me. |
| 19:28.44 | maher | glick: someone like linode will give you a uml for $10-20/month |
| 19:28.47 | paulswm | shingouz: No shit! |
| 19:28.48 | rking | glick: sure - set up your own, yep |
| 19:28.57 | glick | rking, ? |
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| 19:29.01 | Radiance | hmm guys, any one can help out a bit with this error, i upgrade from woody to sarge, when i try to login using gnome, then gconf-sanity-check-2 says : relocation error , undefined symbol: gconf_use_local_locks ... any one know where to look to solve this ? heh |
| 19:29.06 | glick | maher, uml? |
| 19:29.07 | rking | glick: it will be secure |
| 19:29.16 | maher | glick: user mode linux |
| 19:29.20 | glick | rking, are you being sarcastic? |
| 19:29.23 | citral | let's try what a good ol' 2.4 says about it |
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| 19:29.38 | rking | glick: no - why would it be insecure to run an apache with php? |
| 19:29.52 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | wow almost done Sarge install |
| 19:29.59 | paulswm | shingouz: I just popped in to #whompix and I was the only person there :P |
| 19:29.59 | glick | rking, i dont know much about security |
| 19:30.43 | shingouz | paulswm: hehe.. so you didn't have to answer any stupid questions about how to get packages of experimental? or did you? :p |
| 19:30.57 | glick | maher, thats way too expensive |
| 19:31.17 | paulswm | shingouz: Heh, no, I was literally the only entity in channel! |
| 19:31.21 | Overand | !fbc |
| 19:31.24 | Overand | ugh |
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| 19:31.33 | Overand | is there a tidbit on the bot re: framebuffer console? |
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| 19:31.35 | exobyte | I'd like to set up a captive portal on my wireless network. It would be really cool if someone logged in on a web page, a java vpn client was downloaded and launched. ideas? |
| 19:31.47 | rking | glick: if you're looking for something under $10/mo, then you're definitely looking to host your own. just install apache and php. maybe get a dyndns entry |
| 19:31.48 | glick | rking, so if i do the basic setup on a dedicated machine it should be reletively secure? you think? |
| 19:31.55 | greycat | Overand: /msg dpkg listkeys fb /msg dpkg listvals frame etc. |
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| 19:32.23 | rking | glick: yeah - there are always hardening steps you can take, such as shutting down services you don't use, but it's probably not going to be a problem |
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| 19:32.36 | glick | cool |
| 19:32.39 | glick | thanks |
| 19:32.41 | rking | glick: are you allowing other people to put their php on your box? |
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| 19:32.48 | EdibleText | glick, the server will be secure out of the box. your php code however.. ;) |
| 19:32.53 | glick | rking, no i am not |
| 19:33.03 | glick | rking, just my own php |
| 19:33.08 | shingouz | !tell Overand about framebuffer |
| 19:33.31 | sinned | what modules do i need for iptables to to redirects? |
| 19:33.33 | sewi | sphere, I've just installed libc6-i686 and that's all or should I do something more? I have celeron 2400. |
| 19:33.38 | rking | glick: yep - then like EdibleText says, the biggest area of weakness will be whatever you might introduce with the php code. |
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| 19:33.55 | glick | i see |
| 19:34.01 | glick | ok, thanks all |
| 19:34.10 | glick | i have to go study for my last exam tomorrow |
| 19:34.11 | glick | ttyl |
| 19:34.14 | glick | thanks for the advice |
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| 19:35.18 | valdyn | sinned: whichever modules you need get loaded automatically when inserting your rules |
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| 19:35.36 | mommer | Hi, how do I find out what packages I'm getting from a specific source? I wonder if I should keep taonix.org in my sources list |
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| 19:36.11 | shingouz | mommer: and what is taonix.org? |
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| 19:36.52 | mommer | I don't have a clue. This system is old as the mountains. Many admins. |
| 19:37.06 | shingouz | mommer: have you googled it? |
| 19:37.14 | mommer | That's why I want to know if I have some packages installed that come from there. |
| 19:37.25 | mommer | Well, it's a software repo, that much I know. |
| 19:37.59 | jetscreamer | go to tanoix.org? |
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| 19:38.33 | K_Dallas | mommer, you would probably do all right without tanoix |
| 19:38.52 | K_Dallas | unless there arespecific french stuff that you cannot get anywhere else of course |
| 19:39.08 | jetscreamer | updated 2004 afaict |
| 19:39.18 | jetscreamer | http://www.taonix.com/ |
| 19:39.20 | shingouz | mommer: how about checking the packages you can find off the repository? |
| 19:39.27 | mommer | K_Dallas: thanks. |
| 19:39.45 | K_Dallas | np :) |
| 19:39.47 | shingouz | mommer: another way would be to tell us what the line in sources.list is, that might help a bit |
| 19:39.53 | mommer | shingouz: sorry, too much work. And besides, how would I know? I mean, this is like those old ships in the SF books. |
| 19:40.06 | jetscreamer | !mommer++ |
| 19:40.16 | shingouz | mommer: checking the sources.list is not too much work even for the Bofh |
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| 19:40.21 | mommer | deb http://debian.taonix.org/ stable main |
| 19:40.41 | shingouz | lets see... |
| 19:40.43 | jetscreamer | fuck em all, just use official sources! |
| 19:41.02 | jetscreamer | you would have a good bofh excuse/reason |
| 19:41.15 | shingouz | mommer: looks like something like boxbackup (whatever the hell that is) |
| 19:41.17 | greycat | !fuck em all |
| 19:41.19 | K_Dallas | it is just too old to rely on |
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| 19:41.34 | Choubaka | dpkg is an all-purpose slave it seems. |
| 19:41.39 | jetscreamer | taonix.org is dated 2004 i'd lose it |
| 19:41.47 | jetscreamer | !say i am not a number i'm a free man! |
| 19:41.48 | dpkg | i am not a number i'm a free man! |
| 19:42.01 | K_Dallas | unstable branch is 2002 :) |
| 19:42.03 | jetscreamer | s/i'm/i\ am\ a/ |
| 19:42.18 | mommer | shingouz: a very nice backup system. Hm... Thanks! |
| 19:42.19 | shingouz | taonix is frigging ancient |
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| 19:42.29 | shingouz | the packages are ancient |
| 19:42.34 | Choubaka | Perhaps I should learn to command dpkg ;) |
| 19:42.34 | c01100011 | when i use a a windows manager with rounded corners, they aren't transparent, what do i have set up wrong ? |
| 19:42.41 | shingouz | even older than the system you use :) |
| 19:42.47 | mommer | I installed boxbackup by hand, so. |
| 19:42.51 | jetscreamer | Choubaka: #debian-bots for play purposes |
| 19:42.57 | mommer | shingouz: might well be :-) |
| 19:43.04 | Choubaka | jetscreamer: 'k. |
| 19:43.11 | tarzeau | c01100011: how's that important? |
| 19:43.19 | shingouz | mommer: you sure the previous bofh there wanst named moses? |
| 19:43.25 | shingouz | wasn't even |
| 19:43.33 | jetscreamer | c01100011: no true trans support till xorg |
| 19:43.43 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: yes it's possible: |
| 19:43.51 | mae | composite is still pretty buggy.. |
| 19:43.52 | jetscreamer | s'why i added the true |
| 19:43.57 | mae | but it looks pretty damn cool |
| 19:44.02 | deadcat | whats new with xorg? |
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| 19:44.04 | jetscreamer | cuz i don't know wtf i'm talking about! |
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| 19:44.12 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: http://web.telia.com/~u42308495/alex/gds-2.png |
| 19:44.14 | jetscreamer | something about trans |
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| 19:44.24 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: that's not new |
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| 19:44.43 | deadcat | jetscreamer: why is the xorg on the topic moved down toward the end? (= |
| 19:44.59 | jetscreamer | i know absofuckinglutely nothing about xorg |
| 19:45.07 | deadcat | tarzeau: is that yours? |
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| 19:45.11 | jetscreamer | cept that one little bit i typed about the true trans |
| 19:45.31 | tarzeau | deadcat: no, i prefer transparent clothes on my girlfriend real life |
| 19:45.32 | jetscreamer | (and it was garbled anyway) |
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| 19:45.43 | allesmueller | has someone updated sid today without breaking deps for gnome-panel? |
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| 19:45.51 | deadcat | tarzeau: i hear ya. but they are just called "see through" |
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| 19:46.11 | tarzeau | deadcat: i call them "nice boobies" |
| 19:46.14 | jetscreamer | allesmueller: i have when i put gnome-vfs-2 and some other one on hold but that was yesterday so it might be more difficult today |
| 19:46.14 | tarzeau | allesmueller: of course |
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| 19:46.36 | deadcat | tarzeau: hahha. |
| 19:46.40 | exobyte | is there a way to set up a captive portal that somehow secures the connection (vpn, maybe) |
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| 19:46.57 | allesmueller | tarzeau: i get "E: Broken packages" ... |
| 19:47.03 | jetscreamer | speaking of, how the heck do i get captive-ntfs to function |
| 19:47.03 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, hello. |
| 19:47.03 | deadcat | too much transparant/translucent on that picture is confusing. and the moron should have used screen hehe |
| 19:47.05 | tarzeau | allesmueller: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:47.18 | tarzeau | allesmueller: i don't have any problems -- i don't use gnome nor kde *hint, hint* |
| 19:47.19 | allesmueller | tarzeau: thx |
| 19:47.21 | jetscreamer | i need to do av on ntfs |
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| 19:47.23 | tarzeau | !thx |
| 19:47.23 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 19:47.32 | tarzeau | allesmueller: did you read sid faq? |
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| 19:47.41 | tarzeau | dpkg tell allesmueller sid faq |
| 19:47.51 | K_Dallas | so Thx is all right bt not thx :) |
| 19:47.55 | K_Dallas | but* |
| 19:47.56 | greycat | needs "about" |
| 19:47.56 | exobyte | tarzeau: it was also part of the title of a movie he wrote |
| 19:47.58 | xtension | http://mirrored.flabber.nl/boob.cursor/ |
| 19:48.02 | jetscreamer | !10x |
| 19:48.02 | dpkg | 10x is, like, TEN times? Why not just do it once, properly? |
| 19:48.03 | hkdom | THX! |
| 19:48.12 | mae | why was an oldstable branch added... were people complaining that didnt want to switch from woody to sarge? |
| 19:48.17 | xtension | who said boobs ? |
| 19:48.18 | tarzeau | exobyte: /msg dpkg thx is also ... whatever |
| 19:48.29 | shingouz | !tell allesmueller about sid faq |
| 19:48.38 | shingouz | allesmueller: read it and weep |
| 19:48.47 | jetscreamer | !pick up a gun and shoot everybody |
| 19:48.52 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 19:48.58 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 19:49.13 | jetscreamer | nu1 |
| 19:49.19 | jetscreamer | 2me |
| 19:49.37 | jetscreamer | i would much rather type nu12me than new one to me |
| 19:49.49 | jetscreamer | !newspeak |
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| 19:50.10 | jetscreamer | dpkg, newspeak is the new way to speak |
| 19:50.10 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 19:50.13 | xtension | its quiet ... |
| 19:50.20 | xtension | ok ppl finished playing ? |
| 19:50.26 | jetscreamer | that's because you haven't been trolling as much |
| 19:50.28 | shingouz | | . |
| 19:50.47 | jetscreamer | !trollsmite xtension |
| 19:50.52 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 19:50.52 | xtension | !beer jetscreamer |
| 19:51.10 | c01100011 | ap |
| 19:51.35 | jetscreamer | trollsmite needs to be a (!troll + !<rand>smite) |
| 19:51.42 | yonkel-lappy | jetscreamer: http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-home.html |
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| 19:51.52 | enigmus | any info on how to install jack on debian? (I have pkgs jack qjackctl caps, alsa in 2.6, jackd running, but mplayer -ao jack fails miserably. any idea?) |
| 19:51.56 | jetscreamer | i read 1984 before you were born, sonny! |
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| 19:52.01 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:52.16 | valdyn | !info jack |
| 19:52.19 | dpkg | jack: (Rip and encode CDs with one command), section sound, is optional. Version: 3.1.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 536 kB |
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| 19:52.29 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: jack isn't jackd |
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| 19:52.38 | Ungy | I know this is a stupid quest but while as root and I want to become aanother user what command do I run again |
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| 19:52.48 | jetscreamer | su <user> |
| 19:52.48 | greycat | Ungy: exit |
| 19:52.50 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: which is what i tried to point at ) |
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| 19:53.08 | jetscreamer | see also sudo |
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| 19:53.33 | goron | The idea of screen is that you can let a program run remotely, and then kill the (e.g.) ssh connection and then check back later, right? |
| 19:53.36 | xtension | !beer GNU linux open source |
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| 19:53.40 | masoft | there was a command like debjail or something like that shows Libraries that installed but not used in available programs. what was it that ? |
| 19:53.43 | OctalTHOR | goron : One of the ideas of screen, yeah. |
| 19:53.43 | dondelelcaro | goron: yes. |
| 19:53.49 | OctalTHOR | goron : It can do more fun stuff than that, though. |
| 19:53.53 | jetscreamer | hey speaking of: ok they say don't irc as root. cool. but what if you are root, su user, then irc... is that cool or what? |
| 19:53.53 | dondelelcaro | masoft: deborphan or debfoster |
| 19:53.59 | valdyn | enigmus: its broken for me ( too ), though im on amd64 |
| 19:54.00 | masoft | dondelelcaro: thx |
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| 19:54.02 | OctalTHOR | goron : Like, you can have multiple screen screens up in one terminal. |
| 19:54.05 | Ungy | jetscreamer thanks I can;t beleive I didn;t think to do that |
| 19:54.07 | deadcat | someone explain the topic "SID IS BACK BAYYYYBE" |
| 19:54.11 | paulswm | jetscreamer: that's fine |
| 19:54.11 | OctalTHOR | jetscreamer : That should be fine. |
| 19:54.13 | valdyn | enigmus: i blame mplayer, but uh, no idea |
| 19:54.17 | goron | OctalTHOR: Well, it's either using screen or donating my computer to science for a weekend. |
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| 19:54.32 | OctalTHOR | goron : Bwah? |
| 19:54.35 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: the fact that sid is now demonstrating why it's sid |
| 19:54.36 | jetscreamer | kthx(that means ok thank you for you older guys who can't think so well anymore) |
| 19:54.37 | greycat | deadcat: getting new broken stuff again |
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| 19:54.46 | c01100011 | jeyscreamer - that would be cool, why don't you do it and see how long your box stands |
| 19:54.49 | OctalTHOR | jetscreamer : We like to say it "Okay, thanks," for you young kids that can't type. |
| 19:54.51 | deadcat | hahaha. |
| 19:54.56 | xtension | jetscreamer like you ? |
| 19:54.58 | goron | OctalTHOR: I need to do some experimental study on some algorithm. You see. |
| 19:55.02 | paulswm | OT, but you guys might enjoy this: http://www.buzzwhack.com/ |
| 19:55.05 | jetscreamer | c01100011: i don't want to, but sometimes it's easier to |
| 19:55.13 | OctalTHOR | goron : Okay. |
| 19:55.22 | jetscreamer | !britsmite xtension |
| 19:55.26 | deadcat | greycat: i better hold the upgrade till that message is gone. (= |
| 19:56.03 | paulswm | Hey, lay off the older people! Paper tape I/O is cool! |
| 19:56.13 | deadcat | sid is crazy is because xorg is on the way? hehe |
| 19:56.18 | OctalTHOR | paulswm : Yeah, but it's a bitch to put Debian on. |
| 19:56.21 | jetscreamer | my first terminal was a tty with paper tape and a phone cradle |
| 19:56.30 | jetscreamer | gnome10 |
| 19:56.30 | OctalTHOR | Ever tried to punch a Sarge boot-tape? ;) |
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| 19:56.36 | xtension | jetscreamer i remember you from yours ago when you were on this same channel with the same nick , sooooo |
| 19:56.49 | paulswm | OctalTHOR: Yeah, it was easier when everything was like 512 bytes :) |
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| 19:56.54 | jetscreamer | xtension: i've been here for >1yr :/ |
| 19:57.03 | tarzeau | i wish you guys could run netsed 's,thx,thanks' on your irc client hosts |
| 19:57.05 | jetscreamer | i need a life |
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| 19:57.10 | xtension | lol |
| 19:57.14 | paulswm | jetscreamer: wrote my first program in 1968 :P |
| 19:57.30 | OctalTHOR | tarzeau : Heh. |
| 19:57.34 | xtension | omg jetscreamer 1968 ! |
| 19:57.38 | OctalTHOR | tarzeau : It's not that we like to read 'thanks' more than 'thx'. |
| 19:57.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 19:57.43 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> SARGE RELEASED. | SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main |
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| 19:57.45 | jetscreamer | i was 7 in 68 |
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| 19:57.52 | EdibleText | paulswm, they didnt even HAVE computers then... you can fool me. |
| 19:57.57 | masoft | exit |
| 19:57.57 | EdibleText | cant |
| 19:57.59 | OctalTHOR | tarzeau : If someone is thanking me, I'd like to see them put at least six letters of effort into it. |
| 19:58.03 | jetscreamer | yes timesharing mainframes |
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| 19:58.06 | jetscreamer | not pc's |
| 19:58.17 | jetscreamer | pre ibm 360 |
| 19:58.22 | paulswm | jetscreamer: The problems with real lives include having to socialize with people and not being allowed to run around in your underwear. |
| 19:58.44 | xtension | jetscreamer did you punch the progs into cards ? |
| 19:58.48 | greycat | a sarcasm lobe. now *there's* a really useful organ. |
| 19:58.52 | c01100011 | >6 chars like this lol!thx |
| 19:59.00 | dondelelcaro | diff: crypto in main, reduced the sarge release part, explained the sid is back, other minor tweaks. |
| 19:59.06 | jetscreamer | yes i had to learn how to read a punch card manually in comp sci |
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| 19:59.22 | EdibleText | greycat, some lobes are more developed then others ;) |
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| 19:59.28 | xtension | jetscreamer wow , hell to debug that stuff ! |
| 19:59.47 | jetscreamer | on a terminal preferably |
| 19:59.55 | Ungy | I assume backup user and I attempt to run amlabel and it says command not found I am assuming this is a rights issue but since the amanda user is backup shoudln't it already have rights? |
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| 20:00.11 | paulswm | EdibleText: one of these (Ferranti Sirius) was the recipient of my first program, last photo on the page: http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/monash-news/october-2004/itmuseum.html |
| 20:00.34 | Radiance | hmm guys, any one can help out a bit with this error, i upgrade from woody to sarge, when i try to login using gnome, then gconf-sanity-check-2 says : relocation error , undefined symbol: gconf_use_local_locks ... any one know where to look to solve this ? heh |
| 20:01.07 | jetscreamer | old shit looked cooler! |
| 20:01.10 | Overand | ugh |
| 20:01.17 | dondelelcaro | Radiance: did you have any non-Debian packages installed? |
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| 20:01.28 | donuts | debian sarge is released. |
| 20:01.29 | valdyn | Radiance: 'apt-get upgrade' shows any packages to install or held back |
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| 20:01.38 | jetscreamer | Radiance: that's the second time that question has been asked by 2 different people in the last 15 minutes or so |
| 20:01.43 | EdibleText | paulswm, same model computer or same computer? |
| 20:01.46 | jetscreamer | this could be a bug? |
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| 20:02.01 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: possible, but unlikely. |
| 20:02.03 | Ungy | !topicbadger donuts |
| 20:02.04 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that donuts didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 20:02.08 | paulswm | jetscreamer: Yes, it did, and when I started programming there were very few programmers around, so when people asked you what you did for a living and you told them, they looked at you like you were an astrophysicist or something. |
| 20:02.11 | too-quick | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check ...... anyone know what the sanity check is? |
| 20:02.27 | donuts | lol Ungy |
| 20:02.28 | dondelelcaro | too-quick: you need to install build-essential and g++ |
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| 20:02.30 | donuts | i did it for the joke |
| 20:02.34 | paulswm | EdibleText: same model, the one I used was in Batch, UK |
| 20:02.39 | too-quick | dondelelcaro, ty |
| 20:02.39 | donuts | i saw in /list that you said no need to tell us |
| 20:02.41 | paulswm | s/Batch/Bath/ |
| 20:02.44 | donuts | shame ive never used debian before |
| 20:02.50 | jetscreamer | now all the riffraff use computers |
| 20:02.52 | greycat | Woah. |
| 20:02.55 | greycat | !dbugs 111578 |
| 20:02.59 | dpkg | DONE:#111578:W[findutils] patch to add examples to find(1) man page (fixed-in-experimental, patch) Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:48:01 UTC |
| 20:02.59 | Ungy | donuts I am not even in here all the time I have seen that same stupid joke about 500 times |
| 20:03.03 | Radiance | dondelelcaro, well i think most ppl have one way or the other something installed which is not available with apt-get hehe |
| 20:03.11 | sanxiyn | Oh, break my unstable. |
| 20:03.13 | Radiance | valdyn, i'll check that out now |
| 20:03.14 | binaryc | is the reason that debian doesn't update often because we only want to deal with assholes like donuts once every 2-3 years ? |
| 20:03.15 | paulswm | jetscreamer: Indeed! |
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| 20:03.28 | Radiance | jetscreamer, i did have backports but not anymore since i went to sarge |
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| 20:03.45 | jetscreamer | i'm a bare metal kind of guy anyway |
| 20:03.47 | paulswm | !prize binaryc |
| 20:03.49 | hkdom | i am new to here, i want to ask : who teach dpkg that much things? |
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| 20:03.56 | dondelelcaro | Radiance: well, those backports are likely the problem. Something probably didn't get upgraded, and it doesn't have proper dependencies. |
| 20:03.58 | Radiance | jetscreamer, i noticed some 3rd gconf-sanity-check-2 located in /usr/local/libexec , the size is 330kb while the others are only 10kb ???? |
| 20:03.59 | greycat | hkdom: all of us |
| 20:04.04 | jetscreamer | hkdom: everybody. seriously. |
| 20:04.07 | xtension | hkdom you can if you like |
| 20:04.08 | paulswm | hkdom: Several people. |
| 20:04.08 | hkdom | OH! |
| 20:04.10 | jetscreamer | what he said. |
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| 20:04.20 | xtension | paulswm not anyone ? |
| 20:04.23 | dondelelcaro | Radiance: uh, you probably shouldn't have anything in /usr/local |
| 20:04.25 | maher | Radiance: maybe you've driven gconf insane |
| 20:04.35 | derek | Can someone help me out, i'm fairly stupid, how many hours away would 5 PDT be? |
| 20:04.39 | hkdom | how to teach dpkg? |
| 20:04.43 | dondelelcaro | derek: 3 |
| 20:04.45 | jetscreamer | -8 or so? |
| 20:04.49 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 20:04.53 | Radiance | possible, i have only gconf2 installed, the previous one i purged to be sure |
| 20:04.54 | jetscreamer | (pacific?) |
| 20:04.55 | xtension | hkdom watch and learn |
| 20:04.56 | dondelelcaro | s/3/4 |
| 20:04.58 | paulswm | xtension: anyone can, not everyone does :) |
| 20:04.59 | dondelelcaro | derek: PDT is -7. |
| 20:05.00 | greycat | hkdom: "dpkg, foo is blah blah blah blah" |
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| 20:05.12 | jetscreamer | cst is -6 |
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| 20:05.24 | derek | -7? what country is that? |
| 20:05.24 | dondelelcaro | derek: you can trivially go TZ="PDT" date; to see what time it is now in PDT. |
| 20:05.32 | jetscreamer | mountain? |
| 20:05.34 | sanxiyn | !beowulf |
| 20:05.34 | dpkg | methinks beowulf is that nifty cluster technology at http://www.beowulf.org, or http://www.debian.org/ports/beowulf/ |
| 20:05.35 | paulswm | jetscreamer: cdt at the moment |
| 20:05.39 | EdibleText | derek, USA |
| 20:05.39 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 20:05.43 | sanxiyn | Hm, I want to teach dpkg about a great Old English poetry too. |
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| 20:05.50 | hkdom | dpkg, Hong Kong Disney is opening at 921. |
| 20:05.50 | dpkg | okay, hkdom |
| 20:05.52 | derek | oh oh oh, duh |
| 20:05.55 | paulswm | o.O |
| 20:05.57 | derek | alright, thanks |
| 20:06.04 | hkdom | like this? |
| 20:06.14 | Pingu12 | :/ |
| 20:06.15 | greycat | 9:21 AM tomorrow morning? |
| 20:06.17 | EdibleText | !Hong Kong Disney |
| 20:06.17 | dpkg | hong kong disney is probably opening at 921. |
| 20:06.19 | Radiance | valdyn, no packages are on hold btw |
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| 20:06.22 | dondelelcaro | hkdom: please don't make useless factoids |
| 20:06.24 | xtension | hkdom are u in china now ? |
| 20:06.26 | paulswm | Heh |
| 20:06.32 | EdibleText | no I know.. |
| 20:06.35 | jetscreamer | it's a database so.... |
| 20:06.36 | EdibleText | now even |
| 20:06.37 | hkdom | ok, sorry, just testing |
| 20:06.37 | sanxiyn | !useless factoids |
| 20:06.37 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a gentoo user |
| 20:06.44 | too-quick | dondelelcaro, the g++ and build-essential worked; thank you very much sir or mam./ |
| 20:06.47 | sanxiyn | That's a good thing. :-) |
| 20:06.50 | jetscreamer | !forget hong kong disney |
| 20:06.50 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i forgot hong kong disney |
| 20:06.52 | hkdom | COOL! |
| 20:06.58 | derek | ah foo, i never did like gentoo |
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| 20:07.13 | hkdom | !useless factoids |
| 20:07.14 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a gentoo user |
| 20:07.18 | valdyn | Radiance: and to install? you can also mv /usr/local /usr/local.old && ldconfig, then try your programs again |
| 20:07.20 | hkdom | I really love this one! |
| 20:07.26 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg help |
| 20:07.37 | derek | !kill hkdom |
| 20:07.41 | jetscreamer | #debian-bots to play with the bots |
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| 20:08.02 | hkdom | rofltd |
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| 20:08.25 | takatumi | fltd? |
| 20:08.27 | paulswm | hkdom: suggest you don't mess with making factoids without thinking it through first, dondelelcaro will be unimpressed |
| 20:08.30 | EdibleText | really dpkg isnt a bot.. hes more like the midget stuntman that drove KITT in Knight Rider. |
| 20:08.30 | hkdom | well, who ask me ? I am in Hong Kong. |
| 20:08.39 | Ungy | anyone have amanda workign on a system that could point me to how I can get amlabel workign |
| 20:08.39 | jetscreamer | and sometimes you see how to work with the bots, in there, also |
| 20:08.57 | bsims | anyone have a link whats currently borked on Sid? |
| 20:09.07 | dondelelcaro | bsims: bugs.debian.org |
| 20:09.28 | jetscreamer | dpkg is debian-ai |
| 20:09.30 | binaryc | bsims - gnome and i know that one from first hand experience ! |
| 20:09.53 | jetscreamer | or rather, #debian-ai |
| 20:09.54 | hkdom | !dpkg etch |
| 20:09.54 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debain |
| 20:09.57 | bsims | heh I meant in general I was thinking like a wikki... IE as of $date updating Gnome breaks App-Foo |
| 20:10.04 | enigmus | valdyn: if I launch jackd -d alsa and xmms as the same user, it works (with xmms-jack). But mplayer -ao jack doesn't work though. |
| 20:10.06 | exobyte | can systems on different subnets see eachother? Does the netmask allow me to make them see eachother? |
| 20:10.09 | goron | Is there some method to get the actually used CPU time in Java? (I ask here because nobody answers in ##java) |
| 20:10.10 | jetscreamer | bugs.debian.org? |
| 20:10.19 | dondelelcaro | bsims: you can make one, but it's totally worthless |
| 20:10.26 | valdyn | enigmus: exactly, mplayers jack output seems broken to me |
| 20:10.31 | greycat | goron: java went to the double #s too?? Gods. |
| 20:10.33 | greycat | !blame lilo |
| 20:10.35 | bsims | binaryc: I figgured that when I saw apt wanted to remove most of gnome |
| 20:10.36 | gtigene | Why is it better to use kp (kernel-package) when compiling the kernel? |
| 20:10.38 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 20:10.41 | valdyn | enigmus: check the bts and file a bugreport if there isnt one yet |
| 20:10.48 | bsims | dondelelcaro: hrm just an idea |
| 20:10.51 | jetscreamer | blame lilo or blame freenode |
| 20:10.52 | goron | greycat: yes |
| 20:11.03 | valdyn | enigmus: umm oh, mplayer isnt even in debian so nm |
| 20:11.11 | jetscreamer | gtigene: because it makes a .deb you can just dpkg -i |
| 20:11.16 | binaryc | bsims- i didn't see that as i had the brilliant idea of running dist-upgrade on a headless system, (monitor was off) |
| 20:11.23 | jetscreamer | and have it autoupdate lilo.conf or grub thingy |
| 20:11.26 | dondelelcaro | bsims: basically because sid is constantly changing. The BTS is what documents those issues. If you are, there's apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges, which will tell you about what is happening. |
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| 20:11.38 | bsims | binaryc: Ahh you poor bastard |
| 20:11.43 | gtigene | jetscreamer: Thank you. |
| 20:11.49 | jetscreamer | errr autoupdate /syminks and run lilo or grub-update rather |
| 20:11.50 | bsims | dondelelcaro: true I should install those |
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| 20:12.08 | EdibleText | exobyte, they should be on the same segment with a proper netmask, unless you are routing |
| 20:12.10 | jetscreamer | gtigene: know thy initrd |
| 20:12.20 | greycat | bsims: probably all of it. |
| 20:12.26 | jetscreamer | see also make-kpkg --initrd and make-kpkg --targets |
| 20:12.34 | bsims | greycat: typical |
| 20:12.34 | jetscreamer | and man kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 20:12.42 | dondelelcaro | well, it has been in experimental for a while, so it shouldn't be TOO bad... but things will break, guaranteed. |
| 20:12.43 | gtigene | jetscreamer: I just today learned what initrd is. |
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| 20:12.49 | xtension | goron if you can run sytemcalls you can read it prob from the /proc dir |
| 20:13.03 | exobyte | EdibleText: this might help- in my dhcp config, if I create multiple subnets, will they see eachother if the netmask is something like 255.0.0.0? |
| 20:13.09 | jetscreamer | gtigene: big catchy thing, it usually gets everybody unless you make sure |
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| 20:13.18 | bsims | and of course all the new packages will be using the new gcc so there is no great time to update <smirk> About time Sid got hisself some new toys |
| 20:13.24 | jetscreamer | on reboot 'can't find fs ' or so |
| 20:13.32 | goron | xtension: Well, I need a platform independent solution. (but I need JNI to get it work, I already have seen it: it's a big amount of work to get it work decently). |
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| 20:14.18 | binaryc | bsims- why does sid need new toys he his having tons of fun breaking all the old ones ! |
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| 20:14.47 | bsims | binaryc: true |
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| 20:15.12 | EdibleText | exobyte, the netmask is needed for the network segment if you have different subnets youll need some routing info |
| 20:15.17 | Toast | Debian used to have a name for being hard to install for novice users. How does Sarge compare? Would it be suitable for a "first Linux"? |
| 20:15.31 | sanxiyn | Toast: Yes. |
| 20:15.32 | jetscreamer | Toast: long as you aren't a clubie |
| 20:15.35 | exobyte | EdibleText: ok.. I think |
| 20:15.38 | jetscreamer | or a barbie |
| 20:15.41 | greycat | sarge's installer is notably simpler for novices than woody's |
| 20:15.49 | EdibleText | !be network barbie |
| 20:15.49 | dpkg | Debugging TCP/IP is HARD! |
| 20:15.50 | jetscreamer | mutt no good? |
| 20:16.01 | bsims | Well other than mutt mutt annoys me for some reason |
| 20:16.14 | sanxiyn | mutt is... |
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| 20:16.22 | xtension | Toast get something east like ubuntu or so ?? |
| 20:16.25 | binaryc | Toast- it isn't as bad as its made out to be, it is perfectly fine for a first linux user, debian is my first experience with linux ( actually i did throw in a knoppix disk for a few hours just to familiarize myself with some simple linux commands and such before hand) |
| 20:16.28 | Toast | greycat... cool. |
| 20:16.33 | jetscreamer | i kinda like it i think it's cute (but i don't use it so what do i know) |
| 20:16.39 | EdibleText | exobyte, this dhcp server has multiple interfaces |
| 20:16.48 | sanxiyn | Mutt's motto is: |
| 20:16.53 | xtension | Toast install that sarger and come back if you need help |
| 20:16.54 | Toast | jetscreamer: the person is quite brite, but a complete novice when it comes to setting computers up and administration. |
| 20:16.54 | bsims | bascaily I am looking for a clone of Kmail but done in curses instead. |
| 20:16.55 | sanxiyn | "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less" |
| 20:17.06 | greycat | "brite"? |
| 20:17.07 | sanxiyn | bsims: Get mutt. |
| 20:17.09 | EdibleText | exobyte, and you dole out IPs for different subnets on these interfaces? |
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| 20:17.22 | exobyte | EdibleText: only one. If there are multiple submasks, which will it default to? |
| 20:17.23 | jetscreamer | Toast: should be a breeze (imo) |
| 20:17.33 | exobyte | EdibleText: all but one will have only static entries |
| 20:17.36 | bsims | sanxiyn: Indeed but I jest don't like it for some reason... now I love me some slrn though... go figure |
| 20:17.38 | Toast | cool. thanks everyone |
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| 20:17.52 | sanxiyn | I like tin better. |
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| 20:17.57 | jetscreamer | Toast: might want to know if he uses pppoe or dhcp or whatever before starting, other than that should be ok |
| 20:18.07 | jetscreamer | assuming an available partition |
| 20:18.31 | bsims | sanxiyn: I used to run Tin |
| 20:18.32 | Toast | its a fresh install, and the network is dchp, served from my Mandrake box. |
| 20:19.12 | jetscreamer | partition might be the only other non-totally simple portion |
| 20:19.18 | hkdom | Mandrake? |
| 20:19.22 | xtension | Toast and now you are looking for the real thing eh ? damn right |
| 20:19.23 | sanxiyn | Mandriva. |
| 20:19.28 | EdibleText | exobyte, you have a rether simple config then. if you want you can paste it in flood . remove the comments if you have modified the supplied dhcpd.conf |
| 20:19.29 | geemark | why does SCP say "connection lost" after copying a few gigabytes of a large file? it does so every time at about 60%, and there is only ehternet between the machines so I hardly doubt that there are any connection problems! |
| 20:19.30 | Toast | But she wants to do this completly on her own, so I'm not to interfear... |
| 20:19.49 | exobyte | EdibleText: heh- give me a few minutes.. |
| 20:19.52 | greycat | Toast: excellent. we can always use feedback from real novices. |
| 20:20.02 | EdibleText | exobyte, let me know when your ready |
| 20:20.10 | EdibleText | you're |
| 20:20.15 | Toast | sanxyn, no, it's mandrake... Don't know wether it will be Mandreva, Gentoo or Debian on it's next incarnation... |
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| 20:20.35 | hkdom | Debian is great, you will love it, Toast |
| 20:20.36 | Toast | greycat... I'll try to get her to report back. |
| 20:20.37 | jetscreamer | fere |
| 20:20.59 | Toast | is there a 64 bit 2.6 kernel debian available? |
| 20:21.04 | Toast | (asking for me now) |
| 20:21.09 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 20:21.09 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq, or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/ |
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| 20:21.21 | dondelelcaro | Toast: yes. |
| 20:21.45 | hkdom | !emt64 |
| 20:21.48 | Toast | I may look at that for this box. It's currently dual boot mandrake 64 and win2k |
| 20:21.49 | bsims | May satan rape my ISP with a cactus... a gnat farted and disconnected my ssh session. That GNU for screen |
| 20:21.56 | jasoncohen | anyone else having problems upgrading from a marillat testing source? |
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| 20:22.18 | sparr_ | when two packages want to provide the same resource, like xlibmesa-gl and nvidia-glx both making the /usr/lib/libGL.so symlink to their version of the library, shouldnt the 'alternatives' system be invoked? |
| 20:22.23 | jasoncohen | i get "no such file or directory" for every file |
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| 20:22.38 | jetscreamer | course i don't have gnome the metapackage installed, or gnome-desktop iirc |
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| 20:22.44 | tarzeau | sparr_: how's your way on fixing menu files? |
| 20:22.59 | sparr_ | tarzeau: ADD kicked in and i forgot about it. thanks for the reminder |
| 20:23.02 | bsims | jetscreamer: <AOL> seeing large numbers of removes make me nervious |
| 20:23.18 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: who cares? |
| 20:23.19 | jetscreamer | jasoncohen: i think they may be changing stable from woody to sarge but i'm just observing reports in here i know nothing |
| 20:23.20 | jharrison | tarzeau: PING!!!1one! |
| 20:23.23 | Toast | anyway... thanks again |
| 20:23.24 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: what about you do your own packages? |
| 20:23.34 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: heh, how are the fish? |
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| 20:23.41 | jasoncohen | ? |
| 20:23.43 | jasoncohen | the fish? |
| 20:23.45 | peritus | what is the difference between runlevel 2 and 3,4,5? |
| 20:23.50 | peritus | inittab only says "Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user." |
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| 20:23.57 | jetscreamer | peritus: in debian, nothing by default |
| 20:24.01 | sparr_ | tarzeau: im starting to think yp17 is a myth :) |
| 20:24.02 | jasoncohen | my system is fine. i just cant' upgrade from that repository |
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| 20:24.04 | streuner | peritus: man runlevel |
| 20:24.07 | jetscreamer | peritus: unless you make it so |
| 20:24.19 | exobyte | EdibleText: little long for flooding.. http://pastebin.ca/13844 |
| 20:24.27 | jetscreamer | jasoncohen: i told you what is probably the reason, give it time |
| 20:24.35 | EdibleText | exobyte, cool alright |
| 20:24.51 | peritus | jetscreamer: so i would not need to bother about 3,4,5? |
| 20:25.06 | jetscreamer | peritus: not by default |
| 20:25.06 | exobyte | EdibleText: I set option routers wrong. Move it out of the subnet and chage the ip |
| 20:25.09 | jetscreamer | unless you want to |
| 20:25.22 | peritus | jetscreamer: thanks. i do not want |
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| 20:25.28 | jetscreamer | peritus: it's for you to play with if you want k np |
| 20:25.29 | EdibleText | exobyte, planning on having *alot* of hosts ;) |
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| 20:25.44 | sanxiyn | Hm, if you are to upgrade to Sid now, hold libgnomevfs2-0. |
| 20:25.49 | exobyte | EdibleText: lol. planning, yes, realistically, more than 10, no |
| 20:25.50 | tarzeau | sparr_: i'm sure i told you about gnustep/wmaker ? |
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| 20:26.04 | sparr_ | tarzeau: im sure you did... refresh my memory? |
| 20:26.09 | sanxiyn | I have not much problem after holding that. |
| 20:26.11 | jasoncohen | jetscreamer, that change was made several days ago. testing was already moved to stable as all the stable packages have a sarge ending |
| 20:26.20 | tarzeau | sparr_: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 20:26.42 | jetscreamer | jasoncohen: i'm talking about marillat, not the sarge to stable change. |
| 20:26.46 | EdibleText | exobyte, this makes an error when you try to start it? |
| 20:26.56 | exobyte | EdibleText: haven't tried yet |
| 20:27.03 | jasoncohen | jethro, yeah- i'm talking about marillat as well |
| 20:27.07 | jetscreamer | because i KNOW they had stable pointing at woody stuff after the change, it was late |
| 20:27.20 | jharrison | tarzeau: gnustep has a live cd |
| 20:27.29 | jasoncohen | jetscreamer, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/ |
| 20:27.32 | tarzeau | jharrison: thank you for reminding me, what i did |
| 20:27.39 | jharrison | tarzeau: sure no problem |
| 20:27.45 | jharrison | :) |
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| 20:28.03 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | just got debian 3.1 installed what should I do next ? |
| 20:28.12 | stouset | Pop_pa_FrEaK: Whatever you want? |
| 20:28.20 | donuts | wait 10 years for the new stable release pop_pa |
| 20:28.30 | EdibleText | exobyte, you shouldnt need the second subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 { ...;..;..;} line |
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| 20:28.37 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | is there extra repositories I need added ? |
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| 20:28.46 | sanxiyn | Pop_pa_FrEaK: Use the computer. |
| 20:28.49 | spinclad_ | Pop_pa_FrEaK, work on 3.2 |
| 20:28.51 | greycat | Pop_pa_FrEaK: depends on what you want. |
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| 20:29.00 | EdibleText | exobyte, you could put those hosts under the first subnet stanza.. |
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| 20:29.05 | jetscreamer | ok. so you're not understanding me. the guy who runs marillat was late changing his pointer stuff. he seems to be making stable point at sarge instead of woody. when he's done it will work. if it doesn't work he's not done. is there a problem comprehending this text? |
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| 20:29.12 | exobyte | EdibleText: that's what I was kinda wondering about, but I'd somehow like to split them up more explicitly |
| 20:29.15 | PeTeRB | !ops kiN is a pornbot |
| 20:29.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kiN is a pornbot |
| 20:29.24 | tarzeau | does someone have a montior upside-down ? |
| 20:29.24 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 20:29.37 | hkdom | pornbot? |
| 20:29.38 | jetscreamer | PeTeRB: /topic , /mode +E |
| 20:29.42 | tarzeau | tac /etc/motd |upside-down| while read a; do printf "%80s\n" $a; done |
| 20:29.43 | shingouz | tarzeau: huh? |
| 20:29.44 | jetscreamer | hkdom: on_join spambot |
| 20:29.53 | tarzeau | shingouz: can you turn your montior on the head? and run that command? |
| 20:29.55 | LoRez | dondelelcaro: makes it hard to kline them if you do that :) |
| 20:29.58 | jmacs | dondelelcaro, thank you |
| 20:30.01 | tarzeau | shingouz: you'll need the package "filters" |
| 20:30.07 | hkdom | on_join spambot |
| 20:30.14 | jasoncohen | jetscreamer, shouldn't stable point at sarge since sarge is now the new stable release? |
| 20:30.17 | EdibleText | exobyte, there is no splitting.. netmask 255.0.0.0 covers adress 10.10.0.1 and 10.0.0.1 |
| 20:30.17 | jetscreamer | i mean it is one |
| 20:30.19 | sparr_ | tarzeau: i fail to see how this applies |
| 20:30.20 | jasoncohen | i don't see how that's a problem |
| 20:30.23 | hkdom | oic |
| 20:30.25 | jetscreamer | jasoncohen: marillat != debian |
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| 20:30.35 | jasoncohen | i know! |
| 20:30.47 | exobyte | EdibleText: yeah.. maybe just for my sanity. but I KNOW I need to keep the same netmask |
| 20:30.48 | shingouz | tarzeau: i think i have to confess i am not too hot on such commands as of yet :/ |
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| 20:30.59 | exobyte | EdibleText: if I don't, heh, bye bye internet |
| 20:31.04 | jetscreamer | jasoncohen: so the guy got drunk and shacked up with some chick for a few days and didn't get around to doing it yet |
| 20:31.10 | tarzeau | shingouz: if my monitor wasn't so large and heavy, i would do it... |
| 20:31.18 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 20:31.22 | EdibleText | exobyte, it *might* work. try running it ans see if dhcpd complains about identical subnet entries |
| 20:31.24 | jasoncohen | i'm talking about marillat's repository. According to his site, stable is for sarge, testing is for etch, and unstable is for sid. He says on his site that everything should work and to email him if it doesn't- so i'm emailing him. |
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| 20:31.27 | shingouz | tarzeau: i have a 9-incher here, shoud i try it? |
| 20:31.37 | tarzeau | shingouz: yep, can you make a photo? |
| 20:31.42 | jetscreamer | jasoncohen: i see that there was a problem comprehending that text. |
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| 20:31.53 | tarzeau | shingouz: i'll try to make a shell that'll use upside-down for input/output |
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| 20:32.03 | jetscreamer | what part of 'he was late doing it he isn't finished yet' |
| 20:32.04 | tarzeau | shingouz: and use some monitors on their head ... that'll get to /. |
| 20:32.09 | shingouz | tarzeau: lets see if i can boot up my camera, not soo sure about the batteries. if you're not in too much of a hurry, yes |
| 20:32.11 | jharrison | tarzeau: do you have a photo of yourself online? |
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| 20:32.20 | jetscreamer | jasoncohen: understand that this is all a guess |
| 20:32.23 | tarzeau | jharrison: yeah, but they are top secret |
| 20:32.30 | jetscreamer | don't make me use the power of ignore |
| 20:32.35 | tarzeau | shingouz: no hurry nope |
| 20:32.48 | shingouz | tarzeau: as in if you show them you would have to kill us secret? |
| 20:32.49 | tarzeau | jharrison: i've got long blonde golden beautiful hair! |
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| 20:33.00 | jetscreamer | !be marillat barbie |
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| 20:33.13 | exobyte | EdibleText: it gave me a warning |
| 20:33.13 | jetscreamer | !be a marillat barbie |
| 20:33.14 | dpkg | Aww, marillat is hard! Let's go shopping, jetscreamer |
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| 20:33.36 | abrotman | why would --dport say it's not a valid option |
| 20:33.36 | MaRcIo | i have problems with the connection |
| 20:33.38 | EdibleText | exobyte paste in flood |
| 20:33.42 | tarzeau | jharrison: www.linuks.mine.nu/tarzeau2.jpg |
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| 20:33.51 | jacky^ | hi |
| 20:34.12 | MaRcIo | hey my connection doesnt work!! |
| 20:34.17 | jetscreamer | mine neither |
| 20:34.19 | exobyte | EdibleText: Warning: subnet 10.0.0.0/8 overlaps subnet 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 20:34.22 | MaRcIo | i configure it with pppoeconf |
| 20:34.30 | OctalTHOR | exobyte : That's very true. |
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| 20:34.32 | MaRcIo | but i dont get any site |
| 20:34.50 | exobyte | EdibleText: I guess what I want to do is change the subnets to 10.0.0.0/16 |
| 20:34.59 | exobyte | EdibleText: and the netmask to 255.0.0.0 |
| 20:35.01 | MaRcIo | ifconfig ppp0 tells me i have an IP |
| 20:35.12 | jetscreamer | gateway/dns |
| 20:35.18 | stouset | Jeez...29 CDs. |
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| 20:35.30 | MaRcIo | <jetscreamer> is that for me? |
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| 20:36.00 | tarzeau | shingouz: and? |
| 20:36.00 | jetscreamer | there's a setting when you dpkg-reconfigure it to autoupdate (interfaces?) i think |
| 20:36.03 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 20:36.10 | jetscreamer | but i don't know much about it don't use it |
| 20:36.25 | arafat | hi all! anyone in here that got the "tap_time" option of module mousedev working? entering "option mousedev tap_time=5000" in /etc/modules.conf does not have any effect... |
| 20:36.30 | raydoo | hu ? |
| 20:36.34 | jetscreamer | my router does that |
| 20:36.45 | MaRcIo | so shall i run dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 20:36.57 | jetscreamer | speaking of, i was supposed to be off static ip's yesterday but it's still working |
| 20:37.00 | tarzeau | MaRcIo: no, run /nickname marcio |
| 20:37.10 | jetscreamer | but i got the speed increase |
| 20:37.22 | MaRcIo | tarzeau run /quit |
| 20:37.31 | jetscreamer | in the irc client he means |
| 20:37.38 | tarzeau | !nickometer MaRcIo |
| 20:37.38 | dpkg | 'MaRcIo' is 99.830% lame, tarzeau |
| 20:37.41 | tarzeau | MaRcIo: you are lame, not me |
| 20:37.42 | paulswm | jetscreamer: What's the difference between a #debian helper and a proctologist? |
| 20:37.43 | hkdom | any idea can I setup debian to use two broadband together with load balancing? |
| 20:37.45 | jetscreamer | it's /nick anyway |
| 20:37.51 | kingsley_ | panthera: Are you there? |
| 20:37.54 | K_Dallas | !nickometer K_Dallas |
| 20:37.55 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: eh, true |
| 20:38.00 | jetscreamer | one has his arm up your ass the other just his hand? |
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| 20:38.03 | paulswm | jetscreamer: A proctologist only has to look at one asshole at a time. |
| 20:38.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 20:38.11 | panthera | kingsley_: yes |
| 20:38.25 | marcio | do you like it now tarzeau? |
| 20:38.40 | paulswm | Wasn't that funny really, I'll get back under the bridge. |
| 20:38.41 | tarzeau | marcio: much better |
| 20:38.47 | jetscreamer | hkdom: that might be called 'bridging' but i'm not sure |
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| 20:38.59 | hkdom | ok thx |
| 20:39.05 | marcio | hey tarzeau sorry i thought you were jocking around me before |
| 20:39.05 | kingsley_ | panthera: Thanks for straightening me out on rdiff-backup. What would I have to do to get your thoughts on a stack trace from it? |
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| 20:39.10 | shingouz | tarzeau: upside-down: command not found. evidently it needs something else than what i have on the test box? |
| 20:39.18 | tarzeau | shingouz: install "filters" |
| 20:39.21 | shingouz | k |
| 20:39.29 | tarzeau | shingouz: and you need /usr/games (root has it not in $PATH) |
| 20:39.32 | marcio | how can i remove the gateway? |
| 20:39.46 | jetscreamer | or put a gateway |
| 20:39.52 | jetscreamer | what does ifconfig -a say |
| 20:40.11 | Jonas- | Hi, what file should I go for if I want to install the newest stable from cd? http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/debian-cd/current/i386/ ? |
| 20:40.21 | panthera | kingsley_: hm? |
| 20:40.23 | jasoncohen | jetscreamer, i figured out the problem. the package names in testing haven't lost their sarge tags but the package list apparently thinks they have so apt-get is looking for non-existent packages. i.e. acroread/testing upgradeable from 7.0-0sarge0.9 to 7.0-0.9 |
| 20:40.40 | jetscreamer | yeah cd#1should be all you need... but there should be an a in the dir |
| 20:41.00 | jetscreamer | r06a or something |
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| 20:41.32 | shingouz | tarzeau: without the path it prints out lines of garbage on the right. lets see with the path |
| 20:41.37 | Draconicus | Okay, what the hell is /usr/local/jazz?! |
| 20:41.38 | Jonas- | this one? debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 20:41.44 | jetscreamer | by the way i see a file listing in ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/ |
| 20:41.48 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 20:41.50 | tarzeau | Draconicus: not from debian |
| 20:41.54 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: yes |
| 20:41.59 | Jonas- | thanks jetscreamer |
| 20:42.02 | tarzeau | shingouz: are you root? |
| 20:42.05 | jetscreamer | and i see it says sarge now |
| 20:42.21 | streuner | !d-i Jonas- |
| 20:42.22 | dpkg | Jonas-, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:42.23 | kingsley_ | panthera: Would you be willing to look at a stack trace from rdiff-backup and tell me what may have caused it to abort? |
| 20:42.28 | jharrison | tarzeau: bub-n-bros? |
| 20:42.36 | tarzeau | jharrison: no i stopped playing that |
| 20:42.37 | jetscreamer | Jonas-: a netinstall would be better |
| 20:42.41 | jetscreamer | if possible |
| 20:42.42 | jharrison | tarzeau: what!!! |
| 20:42.43 | tarzeau | panthera: hey |
| 20:42.47 | jharrison | tarzeau: why? |
| 20:42.49 | tarzeau | jharrison: i stopped playing the cute dragons |
| 20:42.53 | panthera | kingsley_: it's python.. |
| 20:42.57 | tarzeau | jharrison: because dragons are better when they are grilled |
| 20:43.14 | Draconicus | tarzeau: But it's... I didn't create it, but it seems to have archived old files from around when I first moved my old files onto here... |
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| 20:43.27 | jharrison | tarzeau: ok well I rm -rf bubnbros-1.4 then |
| 20:43.28 | panthera | kingsley_: but feel free to mail me. |
| 20:43.31 | Draconicus | Copies of them, rather. |
| 20:43.31 | panthera | tarzeau: aloha :) |
| 20:43.35 | tarzeau | jharrison: go ahead |
| 20:43.42 | jharrison | tarzeau: done |
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| 20:44.26 | kingsley_ | panthera: Thanks. I'll be happy to email it to you. |
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| 20:44.45 | K_Dallas | have you guys ever gone thru all the packages available on those 14 CDs ? It took me one night and three nap sessions to finish that :) |
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| 20:44.50 | Draconicus | The hell.. all that's in here is stuff that simply shouldn't be... |
| 20:44.56 | dareth | I can not seem to connect to irc.dal.net |
| 20:44.59 | kingsley_ | panthera: Hopefully your experience with rdiff-backup will allow you to see the problem right away. |
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| 20:45.24 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: there's quite a few more packages in sid, that are not on those 14 cds |
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| 20:46.04 | jetscreamer | 16,384 or something unless that a bug |
| 20:46.28 | shingouz | tarzeau: yes i am root |
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| 20:46.55 | tarzeau | shingouz: ok run it with the path |
| 20:47.00 | nik | hi all |
| 20:47.04 | K_Dallas | tarzeau, Geeeeeeee! i always thought package selection in SuSE was hard ;) |
| 20:47.43 | jetscreamer | !be a barbie suse |
| 20:47.45 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: pkg selection in yast (or any interactive tool) is a nightmare |
| 20:47.56 | nik | why 404 on security.debian.org via apt? |
| 20:47.59 | jetscreamer | !be a suse barbie |
| 20:48.00 | dpkg | Aww, suse is hard! Let's go shopping, jetscreamer |
| 20:48.01 | shingouz | tarzeau: spits out some garbage in neat lines on the right, not like the motd would be upside down or anything. is that the purpose? |
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| 20:48.12 | K_Dallas | tarzeau, can i add a SID repo and update normally but upgrade only sarge yet be able to select what extra SID offers when i need it? |
| 20:48.15 | tarzeau | shingouz: yes it should be upside-down |
| 20:48.23 | jetscreamer | apt-pinning |
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| 20:48.29 | K_Dallas | yast only problem the last time i checked was the dependancies |
| 20:48.29 | tarzeau | shingouz: run /usr/games/upside-down .. it exists ?= |
| 20:48.41 | tarzeau | nik: wrong archive |
| 20:48.46 | tarzeau | nik: try stable or sarge |
| 20:48.55 | shingouz | tarzeau: something is wrong then... upside-down does exist. lemmecheck, i have to go afk again for a sec |
| 20:48.55 | tarzeau | nik: man 5 sources.list |
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| 20:49.18 | nik | tarzeau: but it worked since last update |
| 20:49.24 | nik | (sorry for my english) |
| 20:49.41 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: congratulations |
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| 20:49.53 | K_Dallas | :) it is merely due to debian |
| 20:50.04 | froh | how do i tell make-kpkg to build a 686 image? |
| 20:50.19 | giupy | froh, ? |
| 20:50.23 | froh | i686 even |
| 20:50.38 | K_Dallas | i have used slack, suse, mandrake, ubuntu, fedora, rh, etc but i had always got to go back to windows ;) |
| 20:50.54 | alex | alright, this might not have directly to do with debian, but I have install libfreetype6-dev because I needed to use freetype for php. However, I am supposed to have a bunch of font which extension is .ttf, and I can't find any on my disc, is there something I do wrong ? |
| 20:50.54 | nik | tarzeau: i have a testing distro |
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| 20:51.01 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: and now you have NOT USED WINGDOWS FOR 3 DAYS: OMG. LOLZ |
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| 20:51.04 | nik | and I use testing/updates |
| 20:51.09 | froh | giupy: i want a kernel package optimized for i686 not i386 |
| 20:51.09 | sphere | caps yum |
| 20:51.11 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: you're hilarious |
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| 20:51.30 | tarzeau | nik: testing has no security man |
| 20:51.40 | tarzeau | nik: then remove securitz |
| 20:51.40 | giupy | froh, i think you have to choose that in kernel config |
| 20:51.42 | K_Dallas | lol ;) actually for more than a month now except for occasional need to delete files on my ntfs and stuff like that ;) |
| 20:51.49 | nik | really?:O |
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| 20:52.01 | tarzeau | nik: yes. really. |
| 20:52.08 | nik | but before.. it worked :P |
| 20:52.20 | tarzeau | nik: that was only temporary for the release |
| 20:52.35 | nik | ow..thanks :) |
| 20:52.38 | tarzeau | nik: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:52.43 | nik | now i understand |
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| 20:52.57 | sphere | K_Dallas: there are safe ways to perform write operations from linux on ntfs partitions |
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| 20:52.58 | froh | giupy: i got CONFIG_MPENTIUM4=y |
| 20:53.14 | shingouz | tarzeau: hehe... the garbage is the actual motd, that is for sure, it just looks like l337 t3xt when the monitor is upside down. the batteries are dead on my digicam so i need to recharge them :( |
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| 20:53.35 | giupy | froh, i think it's the only thing you need, but i'm not sure |
| 20:53.43 | Draconicus | Erm... where would the "Linux source root directory" be? |
| 20:53.45 | tarzeau | shingouz: the text should be upside down, try type upside-down enter "hello" then enter key and then read |
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| 20:53.54 | tarzeau | Draconicus: www.kernel.org |
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| 20:54.28 | tarzeau | jc-denton: dns for telesto? |
| 20:54.38 | K_Dallas | sphere, i wouldnt mind occasiona rebooting ;) |
| 20:54.39 | jc-denton | jaja |
| 20:54.47 | shingouz | tarzeau: not exacly, it is pretty close but not exatly. maybe it has somethign to do with the fact that i am in .fi and the codes could be a bit odd here. lemme check the hello world though |
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| 20:55.05 | Rokret | Hi everyone |
| 20:55.21 | Draconicus | tarzeau: ...eh? |
| 20:55.28 | tarzeau | Draconicus: /usr/src |
| 20:55.30 | Rokret | i am downloading new release .. Debian |
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| 20:55.48 | Draconicus | tarzeau: Oh. As I thought. Thank you. |
| 20:55.49 | Rokret | i am new in linux world .. do i need make download all cds iso ? |
| 20:55.54 | bobbens | Draconicus: /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/`uname -r` |
| 20:55.57 | jair | hello guys |
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| 20:56.10 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 20:56.11 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 20:56.12 | tarzeau | !faq Rokret |
| 20:56.13 | shingouz | tarzeau: through upside-down hello -> o77ay on my system |
| 20:56.13 | dpkg | Rokret: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:56.17 | Draconicus | bobbens: That doesn't exist. |
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| 20:56.21 | jair | I am installing the alsa sound on a sarge machine and it looks like something is missing? |
| 20:56.29 | bobbens | Draconicus: it should ;) |
| 20:56.30 | EdibleText | !d_i Rokret |
| 20:56.32 | tarzeau | shingouz: now if you turn your head 180° and try to read it? |
| 20:56.35 | EdibleText | !d-i Rokret |
| 20:56.36 | dpkg | Rokret, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:56.37 | shingouz | tarzeau: in other words: readable if you have a good imagination |
| 20:56.39 | Rokret | ok, thanks |
| 20:56.49 | Draconicus | bobbens: ...okay, but it doesn't. |
| 20:56.55 | shingouz | tarzeau: with a 9-incher i rather tip the tube over :p |
| 20:56.55 | tarzeau | shingouz: the thing is you need to read it from left to right just, upside-down! |
| 20:57.02 | tarzeau | shingouz: or that |
| 20:57.03 | Draconicus | Apparently it does... the hell? |
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| 20:57.21 | bobbens | Draconicus: make a symbolic link called /usr/src/linux to your kernel source which should me /usr/src/`uname -r` |
| 20:57.23 | Draconicus | Yet it doesn't.. |
| 20:57.25 | shingouz | tarzeau: i'll shoot you a pic of it as soon as the batteries are up to par again |
| 20:57.28 | jair | this is the result of the command lspci |grep audio: -------------> dolphin4:~# lspci |grep audio |
| 20:57.28 | jair | dolphin4:~# |
| 20:57.32 | jair | none??? |
| 20:57.36 | tarzeau | shingouz: oki |
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| 20:57.51 | Draconicus | bobbens: Erm... forgive me, but, how? |
| 20:57.52 | jair | I did the installation already and I run the command speaker test |
| 20:57.54 | shingouz | tvtime for me, bbiab |
| 20:57.59 | jair | and it was working |
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| 20:57.59 | gtigene | I have a Celeron processor. What processor family should I select in "make menuconfig"? The choices are Pentium Classic, 386, 486, 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86mx, etc. |
| 20:57.59 | goron | I ran screen, then I started top in screen. but I see no way to detach at that point. Just starting screen and then doing detach works, however. |
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| 20:58.11 | jair | after I reboot the machine it did not find it again? |
| 20:58.18 | tarzeau | goron: ctrl-a d |
| 20:58.24 | Biff | gtigene: celeron? |
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| 20:58.29 | Biff | there are many celerons |
| 20:58.30 | Biff | :) |
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| 20:58.41 | gtigene | Biff, yes an Intel Celeron from 2004. |
| 20:58.56 | Biff | ah |
| 20:58.58 | Rokret | wow ... "this release contained around 15400 binary packages and 14 binary CDs in the official set." |
| 20:58.59 | bobbens | Draconicus: get the kernel-source package you need, tar -xvjf it and then make a symbolic link to the new dir at /usr/src/linux |
| 20:59.00 | gtigene | My CPU |
| 20:59.00 | Biff | probably P4 then |
| 20:59.15 | abrotman | gtigene: ask #kernel |
| 20:59.23 | Rokret | Jesus ... 14 cds !!! |
| 20:59.26 | Keichann | has anyone else ever consistently received messages about running out of disk space when make-kpkg is building the source deb? |
| 20:59.28 | Biff | its not a question for #kernel :p |
| 20:59.28 | tarzeau | Rokret: 15 cds for the sources |
| 20:59.30 | gtigene | Biff, thank you, would that be "Pentium Classic"? |
| 20:59.32 | jair | anyone can give me a an advice? |
| 20:59.34 | Biff | gtigene: no |
| 20:59.36 | bobbens | Keichann: never... |
| 20:59.39 | Biff | gtigene: thats pentium 4 |
| 20:59.42 | abrotman | Biff: the fuck it's not |
| 20:59.45 | Keichann | hmm :/ df says I've enough space and inodes |
| 20:59.50 | abrotman | he's compiling the fucking kernel .. it's a #kernel quesiton |
| 21:00.01 | Draconicus | bobbens: I meant how to create a symbolic link... and... now I'm painfully confused. |
| 21:00.01 | giupy | gtigene, you can see help on all cpu |
| 21:00.02 | Keichann | and RAM's free (tried switching gcc to use -pipe while building in case it would make a difference) |
| 21:00.07 | abrotman | debian packages kernels for you .. if those aren't good enoguh .. you're on your own |
| 21:00.10 | maher | Keichann: how much free space |
| 21:00.15 | gtigene | Biff, Pentium 4 is not an option. 386, 486, ... Pentium Classic, etc. |
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| 21:00.24 | maher | abrotman: be quiet |
| 21:00.29 | abrotman | no way! |
| 21:00.42 | Keichann | Keichann: plenty, 60 odd percent free on /tmp and it's building on a drive that's 60gb with 1% used |
| 21:00.42 | jair | abrotman, hello how are you? |
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| 21:00.48 | Keichann | woops, Keichan = maher |
| 21:00.49 | abrotman | jair: okeedokee .. and yourself ? |
| 21:00.53 | bobbens | Draconicus: what kernel do you have? |
| 21:00.58 | jair | abrotman, good ;) |
| 21:00.59 | streuner | !be jetscreamer barbie |
| 21:00.59 | dpkg | It's HARD to say nothing! |
| 21:01.01 | fakbill | hi |
| 21:01.08 | jair | abrotman, I am installing alsa in a old machine |
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| 21:01.20 | abrotman | jair: that sounds liek zero fun |
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| 21:01.28 | Draconicus | bobbens: 2.6.8, I think... my memory is failing me today. |
| 21:01.28 | jair | the configuration finish good I run the alsactl store |
| 21:01.31 | goron | tarzeau: Ok, it gets detached, but somehow I get three screens, after I kill the ssh connection and login again and do screen -r. screen -R should bring up the last, but I can't see top running anywhere. |
| 21:01.37 | Rokret | talking about kernel .. if I want to compile kernel .. what I need to do that ? |
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| 21:01.41 | maher | Keichann: paste the last 20 lines of the errors in #flood |
| 21:01.42 | jair | and then the speaker-test and everything works good. |
| 21:01.46 | Biff | gtigene: yes, it should be |
| 21:01.52 | tarzeau | goron: screen -ls gives you three sessions? |
| 21:01.58 | tarzeau | goron: connect to the right one... |
| 21:01.58 | jair | but after restart the system do not find the card anymore? |
| 21:02.00 | jetscreamer | !love streuner |
| 21:02.03 | Keichann | rightyo, thanks maher |
| 21:02.06 | bobbens | Draconicus: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 && cd /usr/src && tar -xvjf kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 && ln -s kernel-source-2.6.8 linux |
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| 21:02.08 | fakbill | How can I get gcc4 as my defaut compiler using sid? Is there a "debian way" to do that? |
| 21:02.10 | tarzeau | goron: a screen session can have multiple windows |
| 21:02.14 | TuX^ | I am using VMware, and i installed Debian serge, it wont run the gnome env. desktop because of some error with the X server, i think is because of the VMware tools which i need to install, i tried to install them but i got an error, anybody interested in helping me please? |
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| 21:02.19 | jetscreamer | fakbill: man update-alternatives |
| 21:02.20 | abrotman | jair: and if you run alsaconf again ? |
| 21:02.24 | tarzeau | fakbill: look at /usr/bin/gcc |
| 21:02.27 | fakbill | ok thanks |
| 21:02.31 | jair | abrotman, I will try again |
| 21:02.32 | gtigene | giupy: I didn't quite understand that. I looked at the menuconfig help by typing "?" but it didnt resolve the question |
| 21:02.34 | vorsprung | Rokret, kernel-package |
| 21:02.55 | vorsprung | Rokret, and a kernel source package for the version you want to build |
| 21:03.04 | Rokret | does anyone knows if exist driver to my soundblaster 24 bit 7.1 sb0104 ? |
| 21:03.07 | Keichann | and build-essential, you'll need ncurses-dev5 too if you plan 'make menuconfig' |
| 21:03.10 | jetscreamer | for me, -xvjf borks xvjf doesn't |
| 21:03.10 | Draconicus | bobbens: Is this reinstalling the kernel or just installing source material? |
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| 21:03.15 | giupy | gtigene, sure? when you selecr help on a cpu type you can see the cpus supported |
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| 21:03.20 | jetscreamer | libncurses5-dev |
| 21:03.21 | jair | but the command --> dolphin4:~# lspci |grep audio, should show me the card even if I do not have alsaconf run? |
| 21:03.22 | giupy | gtigene, try help on penium4 |
| 21:03.29 | bobbens | Draconicus: just properly installing the source for your kernel |
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| 21:03.34 | abrotman | jair: is it alsa ? |
| 21:03.37 | jetscreamer | grep -i maybe |
| 21:03.40 | gtigene | giupy: I will look again. Just a sec. |
| 21:03.41 | alex | i have installed freetype2, but I can't find any font file (.ttf) any idea ? |
| 21:03.46 | Biff | gtigene: in make menuconfig, under processors |
| 21:03.46 | goron | tarzeau: If I do screen -r (insert one value of the output of screen -ls here), I get "There is no screen to be resuming matching <insert that value> |
| 21:04.02 | gregd | i can only find sarge on cdimage.debian.org, why isn't it updated in most of the other mirrors yet? |
| 21:04.05 | Biff | gtigene: scroll a bit down there, there is one called p4 something |
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| 21:04.13 | abrotman | gregd: some have it .. some don't |
| 21:04.16 | Biff | gtigene: for reference, what kernel are you compiling |
| 21:04.20 | gregd | i've checked all the us mirrors |
| 21:04.21 | abrotman | #kernel |
| 21:04.23 | jetscreamer | thall do bittorrent or jigdo maybe |
| 21:04.27 | tarzeau | goron: you can only attach to screen sessions listed by screen -ls, mabye with -x ? |
| 21:04.29 | abrotman | gregd: the r0a ? |
| 21:04.36 | gregd | abrotman: yep |
| 21:04.37 | TuX^ | ./j #kernel |
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| 21:04.38 | tarzeau | goron: or you are giving a bad match |
| 21:04.43 | abrotman | gregd: hrm ... |
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| 21:04.50 | jair | abrotman, yes |
| 21:04.52 | jair | it is alsa |
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| 21:05.08 | jair | abrotman, I tryied before installing it on this computer and it was working |
| 21:05.09 | Yoyoma_2 | Hey all. I installed debian but i skipped the place wher ei say i want a workstation, ftp service etc. How do i get this screen back now that my base system is installed? |
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| 21:05.27 | jair | abrotman, I did the sarge installation using the command apt-get install kde |
| 21:05.30 | Yoyoma_2 | IE the screen that has "X-Windows Workstation", "Games", "HTTP Server" that seoects all the packages for you. |
| 21:05.33 | maher | Yoyoma_2: tasksel |
| 21:05.37 | Yoyoma_2 | AHA thanks |
| 21:05.39 | jetscreamer | tasksel, but it will install both gnome and kde in the desktop thing |
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| 21:05.45 | tarzeau | Yoyoma_2: be careful with "Desktop" |
| 21:05.46 | abrotman | jair: isa cards require special magic |
| 21:06.00 | jair | abrotman, now I did the installation again using the command apt-get install kde-base and it is not working? |
| 21:06.01 | gtigene | giupy: By process of elimination looking at the help it seems to be Pentium Classic. By the way, they talk about "Read Time Stamp Counter instruction. |
| 21:06.08 | jetscreamer | one magic is turn off plug&play in the bios |
| 21:06.09 | jair | abrotman, ohhh |
| 21:06.11 | Yoyoma_2 | tabris|away: why? |
| 21:06.12 | tarzeau | Yoyoma_2: it's not complete, better use apt-get install |
| 21:06.13 | abrotman | jair: you're sure it's ISA ? |
| 21:06.19 | jair | abrotman, hmmm |
| 21:06.22 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 21:06.23 | dpkg | isapnp is, like, a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump |
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| 21:06.31 | gregd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.31 | Yoyoma_2 | tarzeau: its not for me its for one of my students thats installing a deb install :) gotta go ttyl |
| 21:06.39 | jair | abrotman, I think is a C3456 something could be a pci though |
| 21:06.43 | tarzeau | well tasksel Desktop doesn't give you the choice. it just installs gnome and kde |
| 21:06.45 | giupy | gtigene, so choose pentium classic |
| 21:06.50 | abrotman | jair: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 21:06.50 | jair | abrotman, what will be the difference i mean the issue |
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| 21:06.53 | EmleyMoor | I'm having huge problems with the amount of stuff in /var and am wondering what is safe to delete and what isn't |
| 21:06.58 | jair | abrotman, hold on |
| 21:07.00 | Peterken | Hello, 'ia64' is that the iso to download for an amd64 CPU? |
| 21:07.04 | tpr | anyone by any chance dealt with compaq proliant ML series servers and debian? |
| 21:07.06 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: apt-get clean .. for starters |
| 21:07.08 | gtigene | Biff, giupy: thanks for your input :) |
| 21:07.11 | abrotman | Peterken: no |
| 21:07.12 | jetscreamer | no ia64 is not |
| 21:07.16 | tarzeau | Peterken: no |
| 21:07.17 | abrotman | !tell Peterken about amd64 |
| 21:07.22 | alex | ok so nobody can help me here with my freetype fonts ? |
| 21:07.29 | jair | abrotman, dolphin4:~# lspci | grep -i audio |
| 21:07.29 | jair | dolphin4:~# |
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| 21:07.31 | abrotman | gah ... where the hell did the alpha go |
| 21:07.33 | gregd | PerfDave: ia64 is for intel itanium |
| 21:07.34 | abrotman | jair: it's ISA |
| 21:07.34 | jair | abrotman, not result |
| 21:07.41 | jair | then probably is |
| 21:07.43 | gregd | er, peter |
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| 21:07.44 | goron | tarzeau: I do screen top. Then Control-a d. Then I do screen -ls. Then I copy the value. Then I do screen -r <that value>. Then I get an error. What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:08.07 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: Already moved that off somewhere else anyway |
| 21:08.07 | jetscreamer | lsPCI pci!=isa |
| 21:08.07 | Peterken | tnx abrotman, tarzeau |
| 21:08.07 | jair | abrotman, so what do you recommend me? |
| 21:08.12 | tarzeau | goron: what shows screen -ls ? and what do you type exactly with screen -r ? |
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| 21:08.24 | EmleyMoor | W-MIRC is a spammer |
| 21:08.39 | goron | tarzeau: here is a screen on: |
| 21:08.41 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.42 | jetscreamer | EmleyMoor: /topic & /umode +E |
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| 21:08.54 | tarzeau | goron: -r 4946 ? |
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| 21:09.17 | jetscreamer | !caphuso++ |
| 21:09.19 | Nixx | New Web Site on Linux and Open Source visit ==> http://www.nuxo.net |
| 21:09.22 | abrotman | jair: how old is the machine |
| 21:09.27 | jetscreamer | !ops Nixx |
| 21:09.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Nixx |
| 21:09.29 | abrotman | caphuso: ^^ |
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| 21:09.43 | EmleyMoor | What's the stuff in /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 21:09.43 | Mage__ | Nixx: ok. |
| 21:09.50 | caphuso | EmleyMoor: important |
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| 21:09.51 | jair | abrotman, it is a compaq deskpro not too too old it is ok, 500MHz |
| 21:09.55 | jair | processor |
| 21:09.59 | alex | I have just been told, isn't woody the stable release any more ? |
| 21:10.01 | abrotman | jair: find a $10 PCI sound card |
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| 21:10.08 | jetscreamer | is fine jair |
| 21:10.10 | EmleyMoor | Probably buying a new disk tomorrow anyway |
| 21:10.17 | jetscreamer | !sarge |
| 21:10.17 | dpkg | i guess sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me install debian, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 21:10.22 | bobbens | jair: i've installed debian on a lot worse computers with good results |
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| 21:10.45 | jetscreamer | my kid uses sid on a celeron 333@500 jair |
| 21:10.59 | goron | tarzeau: There is a screen on: |
| 21:10.59 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.00 | goron | There is no screen to be resumed matching 4946. |
| 21:11.07 | jetscreamer | works fine, esp with flux or ice and not gnome or kde |
| 21:11.13 | tarzeau | goron: what do you type? |
| 21:11.19 | goron | tarzeau: This is the output of screen -r 4946 |
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| 21:11.23 | tarzeau | goron: are you not the same user? |
| 21:11.27 | tarzeau | goron: try -x instead of -r |
| 21:11.35 | jetscreamer | flux is looking nice since the last time i tried it, too |
| 21:11.38 | goron | tarzeau: -x works |
| 21:11.51 | bobbens | jetscreamer: flux is awesome :P |
| 21:11.56 | jair | jetscreamer, I am sure it is |
| 21:11.58 | spaetz | flux *is* great |
| 21:11.59 | jair | ;) |
| 21:12.05 | jetscreamer | yeah i liked it before i like it more now |
| 21:12.09 | jair | I am just trying to fix that sound problem |
| 21:12.14 | goron | tarzeau: Well, according to the documentation it should be -r. I am confused. |
| 21:12.32 | bobbens | jair: alsaconfig not do the trick? i got it working with a sound blaster 16 ISA np "out of the box" |
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| 21:12.37 | goron | !startwmwar |
| 21:12.41 | abrotman | jair: seriously .. $10 sound card .. find a computer show |
| 21:12.54 | abrotman | jair: find the cheapest Creative Labs card you can that is PCI |
| 21:13.04 | alex | so to upgrade, it is just a matter of changing woody for sarge in the apt-source and do a apt-get dist upgrade, right ? |
| 21:13.04 | abrotman | PCI128 should be easy to find |
| 21:13.10 | jetscreamer | jair: with my isa nic , i had to disable pnp support in the bios, set the cards io and irq values manually (dos setup program or jumpers) then pass the io= and irq= values to the module when loading it |
| 21:13.12 | EmleyMoor | I can get those in shops for about ?5! |
| 21:13.28 | jair | hmm interesting |
| 21:13.35 | jair | I will run alsaconf now |
| 21:13.52 | jair | this ISA card was working guys I am telling you |
| 21:13.53 | jair | ;) |
| 21:13.58 | jair | I will let you know |
| 21:14.02 | bobbens | jair: just tell it to test all possible IRQ combinations |
| 21:14.03 | supaman | alex: read through the release notes for sarge |
| 21:14.04 | jetscreamer | i just know what i had to do with that nic |
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| 21:14.28 | jair | bobbens, correct |
| 21:14.40 | abrotman | jair: i'm still voting for the $10 PCI sound card |
| 21:15.11 | jair | abrotman, I think I have couple of pci super old sound cards somewhere. |
| 21:15.14 | spaetz | Just despaired today with an Ensoniq PCI128 which was not recognized |
| 21:15.15 | bobbens | abrotman: i dunno, i get better sound quality from my pentium pro with a sound blaster 16 ISA then my nforce 2 chipset on my amd2600+ |
| 21:15.23 | jair | I could do that if this one do not work. |
| 21:15.33 | jair | thank you all of you guys. |
| 21:15.39 | Supaplex | np |
| 21:15.48 | Supaplex | what'd I do again? ... ;) |
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| 21:16.44 | abrotman | bobbens: nvidia crap |
| 21:16.57 | abrotman | spaetz: i used one for a long time |
| 21:17.00 | gtigene | :) |
| 21:17.02 | Supaplex | crap > nvidia |
| 21:17.16 | bobbens | abrotman: not using nvidia drivers, they just fsck up my computer, using the opensource one that is pretty bad T_T |
| 21:17.18 | goron | tarzeau: If I detach it, the processes keep running, right? |
| 21:17.21 | jetscreamer | nvidia > * |
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| 21:17.27 | jetscreamer | goron: yes |
| 21:17.29 | drc | I haven't found nvidia crap, it's a lot better than ati in my opinion |
| 21:17.31 | raf256 | what local newsserver should I use? I want to read groups, from multiply feeds (and merge togeahter), post, and to download feed in the background - of the groups I had recently used |
| 21:17.34 | spaetz | abrotman: not recognized device ID. Must be some crap. Neither en1370 nor en1371 drivers worked |
| 21:17.42 | abrotman | bobbens: dunno .. i'm not an audiophile .. my lappy has ac97 garbage |
| 21:17.44 | tarzeau | goron: yes |
| 21:17.52 | spaetz | en..es1370 (?) |
| 21:17.52 | abrotman | spaetz: hrm .. es1371 you mean ? |
| 21:17.53 | tarzeau | goron: they also run if you just close the terminal |
| 21:17.55 | caphuso | raf256: leafnode is simple, and does that particular job well |
| 21:17.57 | spaetz | right |
| 21:17.57 | drc | raf256: your isp's server? |
| 21:17.59 | bobbens | abrotman: i wish i had ISA on my good computer, sigh... |
| 21:17.59 | jetscreamer | they both are about = now anyway, they juggle up and down for #1 |
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| 21:18.05 | tarzeau | goron: or poweroff the local machine (if you're remotely on it) |
| 21:18.05 | goron | Debian nvidia support Owns, unless you fuck up your system (like I did once). |
| 21:18.06 | abrotman | spaetz: i used it with OSS drivers |
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| 21:18.11 | tarzeau | goron: or x crashes |
| 21:18.15 | tarzeau | goron: gnu screen is the RULEZ! |
| 21:18.15 | abrotman | bobbens: care for some MCA while you're at it ? |
| 21:18.36 | revenger_ | hmm what's the difference between . and .. in a directory? (regarding rights chmod) |
| 21:18.36 | spaetz | abrotman: OSS might still work. Will try. I used alsa |
| 21:18.39 | Supaplex | !stone goron |
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| 21:18.39 | goron | (if you know what you are doing) |
| 21:18.52 | goron | What did I say? |
| 21:18.54 | bobbens | abrotman: i'm too young to know what that's about ... |
| 21:19.00 | abrotman | spaetz: might want to ask #alsa if it's supported .. though i can't see why not .. they were fairly popular cards(not good quality .. just cheap) |
| 21:19.01 | too-quick | I'm trying to get the value of this variable but its not showing up when i do /usr/local/bin/pkg-config --variable=PKG-CONFIG-PATH libgphoto2 any ideas? |
| 21:19.04 | raf256 | drc: no, I want to run local (127.0.0.1) server. That server will futher connect to few "real" server to get thier feed for groups that I rectenty read (will do it in background and store like in /var/...). Then in news client I will just connet to localhost. |
| 21:19.05 | abrotman | !mca |
| 21:19.05 | dpkg | i guess mca is Micro Channel Architecture, the bus used in IBM PS/2 machines. http://glycerine.itsmm.uni.edu/mca/ or is out of date. |
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| 21:19.14 | abrotman | bobbens: older than jesus :) |
| 21:19.16 | Draconicus | Technically, if he is referring to Zelda, gorons are kind of like rock people... a boulder wouldn't do much damage. |
| 21:19.27 | Draconicus | </geek> |
| 21:19.31 | Draconicus | err. |
| 21:19.35 | tpr | anyone by any chance dealt with compaq proliant ML series servers and debian? |
| 21:19.36 | Supaplex | hehehe |
| 21:19.37 | Draconicus | </nerd, rather> |
| 21:19.43 | tarzeau | tpr: don't repeat |
| 21:19.52 | jair | jetscreamer, and abrotman I have a snapshot of the screen while I am configuring it. |
| 21:19.54 | tpr | tarzeau: I just did |
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| 21:20.03 | at0m|c | abrotman: i'd change anything w SB in its name for ac97 any time ;) |
| 21:20.14 | tpr | tarzeau: nothing wrong in it, as long as you keep a healthy break ;> |
| 21:20.28 | tarzeau | tpr: that break was too short |
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| 21:20.34 | tarzeau | tpr: try it in 8 and 16 hours again |
| 21:20.41 | cddesjar | hey i just installed debian |
| 21:20.42 | tpr | nah |
| 21:20.44 | tarzeau | tpr: although your question is too widely open |
| 21:20.48 | cddesjar | but i can't figure out how to startx |
| 21:20.49 | tarzeau | tpr: just ask what you really want to know |
| 21:20.50 | jair | jetscreamer, abrotman I don't know if is any pastebin, or web site where you can paste images to share in IRC |
| 21:20.52 | goron | tarzeau: What is the difference between something being in the "attached" state and in the "deattached" state? From a user point of view, I don't see the difference. |
| 21:20.53 | cddesjar | i only installed cd one |
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| 21:21.07 | Draconicus | Nyer... Compaq AND an nvidia sound chipset? Just get the goddamned $10 soundcard. Hell, $5 or free are also quite possible; just make sure it's a soundblaster. |
| 21:21.07 | tarzeau | goron: there isn't |
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| 21:21.11 | armc4 | mnnnnn |
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| 21:21.17 | too-quick | I'm trying to get the value of this variable but its not showing up when i do /usr/local/bin/pkg-config --variable=PKG-CONFIG-PATH libgphoto2 any ideas? |
| 21:21.28 | at0m|c | Draconicus: SB makes me shiver |
| 21:21.31 | tpr | okey, just wondering if anyone in specific has a working proliant ml350 series server and debian with the intelligent fan system configured |
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| 21:21.38 | goron | tarzeau: But there must be some difference (from another viewpoint). What is it? |
| 21:21.42 | abrotman | at0m|c: laptop .. no choice :) |
| 21:21.46 | at0m|c | same here |
| 21:21.52 | initech | yeah! sarge dvd set arrived today |
| 21:21.53 | abrotman | i traded a dual 500Mhz in on a laptop :) |
| 21:22.10 | tarzeau | goron: nothing |
| 21:22.15 | jair | guys, speaker-test 1.0.8 |
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| 21:22.17 | at0m|c | abrotman: i like ac97 /much/ better than anything w SB, which i consider 48kHz fixed freq crap |
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| 21:22.27 | jair | Playback device is plughw:0,0 |
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| 21:22.34 | abrotman | at0m|c: the PCI128 cards were good for $10 :) |
| 21:22.37 | paulswm | !hack joloc_ |
| 21:22.39 | at0m|c | abrotman: only thing 48kHz is usefull for is dvd playing eh |
| 21:22.49 | kooldeb | hi all, I followed a How to for installing UML under debian and after doing linux ubd0=root_fs_woody devfs=nomount rw, I get the following: Kernel panic: outer trampoline didn't exit with SIGKILL. Any help please ? |
| 21:22.51 | goron | lol |
| 21:23.02 | at0m|c | abrotman: exactly, and from 11-96kHz |
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| 21:23.26 | jair | it looks like will work this time |
| 21:23.27 | goron | tarzeau: Don't you agree that's to say the least odd. |
| 21:23.28 | Draconicus | !lol |
| 21:23.28 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 21:23.39 | tarzeau | goron: no |
| 21:23.40 | jetscreamer | !tell jair about paste |
| 21:23.42 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 21:23.42 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a linspire user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 21:23.57 | SerajewelKS | since i switched from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11, my clock has been drifting ahead several hours per day. the rtc module will not load since i've switched -- would that have anything to do with it? |
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| 21:24.18 | goron | tarzeau: Maybe then, could you explain why there are two names for the same state? |
| 21:24.20 | cddesjar | i downloaded cds 1 and 2 |
| 21:24.26 | cddesjar | i installed cd 1 |
| 21:24.30 | tarzeau | goron: no |
| 21:24.31 | cddesjar | but i can't start x |
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| 21:24.38 | cddesjar | is it on cd 2? |
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| 21:24.41 | cddesjar | how do i install cd 2? |
| 21:25.17 | AigleDor | what is the name of the package to have an X window system on debien sarge? |
| 21:25.18 | zumbi | cddesjar, have you installed X ? |
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| 21:25.25 | vorsprung | i hope bind9 sorts itself out by the end of the sarge install |
| 21:25.26 | cddesjar | i don't know |
| 21:25.31 | Draconicus | cddesjar: CALM DOWN. |
| 21:25.32 | vorsprung | it's busted at the moment |
| 21:25.37 | cddesjar | i have no idea...i just installed cdrom |
| 21:25.42 | SerajewelKS | so is sarge 'stable' now, or is it still 'testing'? |
| 21:25.42 | cddesjar | i mean cd 1 |
| 21:25.50 | MobyTurbo | "x-window-system" is what you tell apt-get or aptitude to install |
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| 21:25.59 | cddesjar | how would i do that moby? |
| 21:26.03 | Draconicus | Some things are not included on the CD. I don't know if X is or not. |
| 21:26.05 | maher | cddesjar: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:26.08 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite SerajewelKS |
| 21:26.09 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon SerajewelKS. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:26.13 | Draconicus | I used a net install disc. |
| 21:26.23 | MobyTurbo | cddesjar: "apt-get install x-window-system" |
| 21:26.32 | SerajewelKS | MobyTurbo, odd how the topic doesn't say |
| 21:26.34 | maher | Draconicus: use apt-setup to point your sources somewhere usfeul |
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| 21:27.01 | jorgp | SerajewelKS: yes it does |
| 21:27.02 | MobyTurbo | SerajewelKS: it says "SARGE RELEASED", what other info do you need? |
| 21:27.09 | AigleDor | "apt-get install x-window-system" tells me that x-window-system may be missing or obselete, what's the problem? |
| 21:27.13 | deadcat | maher: are you still working on your linux-wlan-ng usb? |
| 21:27.16 | SerajewelKS | that doesn't tell me if it's "stable" or "testing" |
| 21:27.19 | Draconicus | maher: Um... I wasn't asking for help with stuff... :P |
| 21:27.20 | cddesjar | it sayds couldn't find package x-window-system |
| 21:27.23 | tarzeau | AigleDor: your sources.list |
| 21:27.26 | setog3 | hi , I have to network interface connected to the net on my box , is it an easly way to assigne an automaticly connection to some user, and the other connection to the others user? |
| 21:27.30 | jorgp | SerajewelKS: stable |
| 21:27.35 | SerajewelKS | jorgp, thanks |
| 21:27.40 | tarzeau | i'd really use x-window-system-core instead |
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| 21:27.59 | maher | deadcat: nah - I never got it to work with a stock kernel so I decided I might as well stick with the zd1201 |
| 21:28.01 | SerajewelKS | so that's 3.1 rev0a? |
| 21:28.06 | AigleDor | tarzeau> i have only CD1 in sources.list ? |
| 21:28.08 | AigleDor | tarzeau> i have only CD1 in sources.list |
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| 21:28.17 | tarzeau | !tell AigleDor about repeat |
| 21:28.19 | zumbi | AigleDor, apt-setup |
| 21:28.22 | maher | AigleDor: use apt-setup |
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| 21:28.25 | MobyTurbo | Sigh, it really is permasunday this week. |
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| 21:28.45 | EmleyMoor | What's permasunday? |
| 21:28.49 | Draconicus | !permasunday |
| 21:28.49 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 21:28.51 | tarzeau | AigleDor: telnet linuks.mine.nu #that's what i have |
| 21:29.02 | zumbi | !nuts |
| 21:29.02 | dpkg | "Scientists say 1 out of every 4 people is crazy, check 3 friends, if they are ok, you're it." |
| 21:29.14 | deadcat | maher: try cd /lib/modules/`uname -r` && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` source && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` build; then compile again |
| 21:29.22 | dareth | They haven't polled my family... or stats be much higher! |
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| 21:30.04 | rvalles | I have an old Dell server (pentium90) with an "Symbios Logic Inc. / NCR 53c8100" SCSI adapter. The install floppies for sarge do crash on hardware autodetection the moment the "sym53c8xx_2" is loaded. |
| 21:30.22 | maher | deadcat: i have special needs - if it doesn't work with a standard kernel I'm going to stick with the curretn usb wlan cadr |
| 21:30.22 | rvalles | any idea what can I do in order to get debian installed on it? |
| 21:30.48 | deadcat | maher: ya. the above instruction is for stock kernel |
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| 21:31.19 | petemc | rvalles: use the woody installer, theres a 5meg iso tailor made for dells |
| 21:31.28 | initech | rvalles: weird ... perhaps dell has modified the firmware? or maybe the card's gone bad? have you tried with both 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 21:31.46 | SerajewelKS | since i switched from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11, my clock has been drifting ahead several hours per day. the rtc module will not load since i've switched -- would that have anything to do with it? |
| 21:31.52 | deadcat | maher: did i ask you about setting your zd1201 card to master mode? |
| 21:31.54 | AigleDor | "apt-get install x-window-system" tells me that x-window-system may be missing or obselete, what's the problem? (i am installing from CDs) |
| 21:31.55 | vorsprung | AT LAsT SARGE INSTALL IS FINISHED |
| 21:32.02 | vorsprung | now i can go to bed |
| 21:32.04 | maher | deadcat: i got stuff to build - ie i built the modules - but they didn't work |
| 21:32.06 | tarzeau | vorsprung: GOOD NIGHT |
| 21:32.11 | vorsprung | tarzeau, :) |
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| 21:32.21 | rvalles | initech: 2.6? |
| 21:32.26 | maher | deadcat: yes - and it doesn't set itself to master |
| 21:32.26 | versuchsanstalt | vorsprung: nice nick. |
| 21:32.28 | rvalles | initech: I'm installing from bootfloppies |
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| 21:32.30 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | how do I update to a new kernel ? |
| 21:32.31 | tarzeau | versuchsanstalt: LOLZ |
| 21:32.35 | vorsprung | tarzeau, bind9 is still broken I will fix that tomorrow |
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| 21:32.40 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | newer* |
| 21:32.41 | versuchsanstalt | :) |
| 21:32.49 | rvalles | initech: since it hangs when I loaded the module for scsi... |
| 21:32.52 | initech | rvalles: ? boot-floppies is woody's installer |
| 21:32.56 | rvalles | initech: I cannot install from disk |
| 21:33.04 | rvalles | initech: ok, debian-installer... from floppies. |
| 21:33.15 | rvalles | initech: it looks like it's 2.4 based. |
| 21:33.18 | EmleyMoor | Pop_pa_FrEaK: Install kernel-package and get the source from www.kernel.org |
| 21:33.25 | Draconicus | I am lacking soundvers.h in my kernel source files. How might I aquire it? |
| 21:33.25 | cddesjar | how do i install all the packages from cd 2? |
| 21:33.28 | bobbens | Pop_pa_FrEaK: apt-get install <kernel name> || aptitude || synaptic |
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| 21:33.32 | rvalles | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 21:33.34 | too-quick | i keep getting the following error: checking for libgphoto2 >= 2.1.2... Package libgphoto2 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgphoto2.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable. I do not know how to change the PKG_CONFIG_PATH though. Any ideas? |
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| 21:33.58 | rvalles | initech: are there 2.6 floppies for debian-install? |
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| 21:34.17 | rvalles | initech: if they are... where are they? |
| 21:34.44 | petemc | too-quick: apt-get install libgphoto2-2-dev , probably |
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| 21:35.00 | brianjp | is it ok to get security updates for sarge, while using testing? |
| 21:35.06 | BoD_SWAT | just checking but the sequence is stable <> testing <> unstable.... right? |
| 21:35.12 | tarzeau | brianjp: no |
| 21:35.14 | tarzeau | brianjp: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 21:35.20 | too-quick | petemc, ill try it thanks |
| 21:35.22 | foobarbaz | BoD_SWAT, yes |
| 21:35.32 | BoD_SWAT | foobarbaz, thnx |
| 21:35.42 | foobarbaz | BoD_SWAT, there is experimental too, but you do not want that |
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| 21:36.36 | EmleyMoor | experimental - or sid-on-tartrazine (!) |
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| 21:36.53 | Draconicus | I am lacking soundvers.h in my kernel source files. How might I aquire it? (pardon the repeat. This was drowned out by a large paste) |
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| 21:37.17 | EmleyMoor | Draconicus: Is it normally in the kernel source? |
| 21:37.17 | philuk86 | i just installed sarge after 2 months of fedora, im very impressed. |
| 21:37.33 | Draconicus | EmleyMoor: I have no idea. |
| 21:37.33 | rvalles | 23:31:19 < petemc> rvalles: use the woody installer, theres a 5meg iso tailor made for dells |
| 21:37.40 | rvalles | petemc: I don't have a cd drive, either :/ |
| 21:37.49 | mith | rvalles: then network boot it |
| 21:37.56 | nanok | philuk86: why exactlly is that?.. |
| 21:38.02 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | what's the latest kernel in the repos ? |
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| 21:38.10 | rvalles | mith: never did such thing |
| 21:38.15 | rvalles | mith: :O |
| 21:38.23 | foobarbaz | Draconicus, either it's in the kernel, then get a kernel from kernel.org/debian -- or it is not, then groups.google.com would be a good guess |
| 21:38.32 | foobarbaz | Pop_pa_FrEaK, 2.6.11 |
| 21:38.33 | too-quick | petemc, iit worked thank u very much...i have been playing with that thing for hours with no luck |
| 21:38.35 | streuner | Pop_pa_FrEaK: 2.6.11 for unstable/sid |
| 21:38.46 | foobarbaz | streuner, testing, too |
| 21:38.48 | rvalles | mith: the simple way, what do I need? |
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| 21:38.53 | EmleyMoor | Pop_pa_FrEaK: No idea - I use the source from www.kernel.org and make my own package |
| 21:38.57 | aargh | hey all, can i just read the files from an .iso file (cd-image) and copy them onto my HDD without burning a cd |
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| 21:39.05 | streuner | foobarbaz: *raises his eyebrow* |
| 21:39.11 | caphuso | aargh: mount -o loop foo.iso /some/place |
| 21:39.13 | petemc | too-quick: in a situation like that, its almost always packagenamme-dev |
| 21:39.14 | philuk86 | nanok: everything is really responsive, great looking professional desktop with a nice wallpaper and apt at my fingertips. |
| 21:39.17 | mith | rvalles: a tftp server and an apt repository to point at after it's booted |
| 21:39.22 | foobarbaz | streuner, i just installed 2.6.11 on a testing system |
| 21:39.27 | cddesjar | ok i figured out how to install x |
| 21:39.27 | aargh | caphuso: thanks |
| 21:39.30 | SerajewelKS | since i switched from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11, my clock has been drifting ahead several hours per day. the rtc module will not load since i've switched -- would that have anything to do with it? |
| 21:39.32 | jair | when I start the computer, the sound do not work anymore? |
| 21:39.34 | cddesjar | so now i'll need to download kde after? |
| 21:39.36 | cddesjar | then gnome? |
| 21:39.42 | rvalles | mith: tftp server... no problem. apt, neither (internet :) |
| 21:39.44 | jair | I did the whole installation of alsa |
| 21:39.46 | too-quick | petemc, ok ill remember that thanks |
| 21:39.52 | brianjp | ok so I should just remove the security.debian.org from my sources.list ? |
| 21:39.54 | cddesjar | is it just apt-get install kde |
| 21:40.01 | jair | I did it before in the same computer and it was working |
| 21:40.02 | rvalles | mith: but... it's very old, this thing. I'd need etherboot to boot from the net |
| 21:40.03 | foobarbaz | aargh, dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/youruser/file.iso |
| 21:40.11 | jair | now I am getting this error |
| 21:40.16 | streuner | foobarbaz: well, some people use unstable kernel-images in sarge, but are really sure in sarge is a 2.6.11 kernel? ;-) |
| 21:40.18 | rvalles | mith: also... how does etherboot know where to connect, what to get and how, and how to boot it? |
| 21:40.25 | brianjp | ...if i'm not running stable |
| 21:40.33 | foobarbaz | does anyone else get a "too many connections from your IP" error with nerim.net, too? |
| 21:40.56 | foobarbaz | streuner, do you want me to paste my sources.list? ;) |
| 21:40.58 | mith | rvalles: i don't know, i only netboot newer x86 hardware that actually understands the almost-sane pxe instead of the older broken shit |
| 21:41.05 | K_Dallas | foobarbaz, wait a day or two and then try it |
| 21:41.27 | cddesjar | how would i use aptitude to install something? |
| 21:41.29 | K_Dallas | or go to their ftp site and manually download what you need |
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| 21:41.34 | OctalTHOR | rvalles : Magic! |
| 21:41.36 | foobarbaz | K_Dallas, that's the plan. still would like to know if i am the only one |
| 21:41.39 | streuner | foobarbaz: no thanks, it was just enough to run apt-cache serach kernel-image-2.6 on my server (sarge) ... :-) |
| 21:41.44 | cddesjar | type aptitude? |
| 21:41.48 | jair | I am receiving an art message in the kde... -> error while initialazing sound driver, device /dev/dsp can't be opened (no such file or directory) |
| 21:41.50 | cddesjar | then look for what i wanted |
| 21:41.50 | K_Dallas | foobarbaz, nope, several complaints today |
| 21:41.57 | bobbens | cddesjar: type aptitude in the console |
| 21:41.58 | foobarbaz | streuner, :) |
| 21:42.01 | cddesjar | ok |
| 21:42.04 | jair | I did the alsa installation before and it was working |
| 21:42.06 | rvalles | mith: the idea is... with or without pxe (etherboot supports PXE i guess), is it as easy as sharing somehow this iso thing thru the network, and it'll boot? |
| 21:42.10 | K_Dallas | jair, do you have alsa properly installed? |
| 21:42.11 | jair | is a ISA sound card |
| 21:42.13 | cddesjar | would i need to run apt-setup before aptitude would work correctly? |
| 21:42.16 | foobarbaz | K_Dallas, ah, good :) |
| 21:42.19 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 21:42.23 | jair | K_Dallas, how could I check that |
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| 21:42.27 | foobarbaz | well, 'good' :p |
| 21:42.36 | bobbens | cddesjar: if you dont have a good sources.list |
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| 21:42.45 | cddesjar | ok |
| 21:42.48 | K_Dallas | well, i am not the person to ask, try /msg dpkg sound or alsa something |
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| 21:43.24 | K_Dallas | jair, what i did to solve my similar problem was to remove alsa and install it over with a few packages i missed the first time |
| 21:43.29 | bobbens | jair: i'm not too fond of arts, it tends to mess things up with alsa, you should try running music fromt he CLI before starting up kde and see if it works |
| 21:43.29 | K_Dallas | what is your kernel version? |
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| 21:43.38 | foobarbaz | ok, the initial setup of debian minus mplayer is complete |
| 21:43.42 | dareth | Default sources list had testing in it.. replaced testing with Sarge on mine.. that worked better. |
| 21:43.43 | green_earz | cddesjar: aptitude then f10 key and then pick update package list |
| 21:43.57 | K_Dallas | bonne nuit foobarbaz :) |
| 21:44.08 | tarzeau | sleep well honey |
| 21:44.16 | K_Dallas | already gone |
| 21:44.44 | bobbens | going to join foobarbaz in sleeping :) |
| 21:44.58 | jair | bobbens, how I could do that? |
| 21:45.03 | jair | bobbens, sound logic |
| 21:45.20 | bobbens | jair: try using mp3blaster or mp123 or other CLI apps to play sound like that |
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| 21:45.35 | nanok | kde should give up on arts, or at least not be so dependant on it... |
| 21:45.40 | bobbens | jair: and make sure arts is DEAD |
| 21:45.41 | jair | K_Dallas, I did that like two times already, the speaker test work but then when I reboot I get that message. |
| 21:45.46 | EmleyMoor | Use mpg321 in preference to mpg123 |
| 21:45.47 | nanok | especially now with all this alsa and all.. |
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| 21:45.55 | jair | hmm |
| 21:46.07 | bobbens | EmleyMoor: i always get confused since different distros give it different names |
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| 21:46.16 | jair | bobbens, but you are saying before the kde is started? |
| 21:46.20 | bobbens | jair: yes |
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| 21:46.23 | K_Dallas | jair, i see. unfortunately i dont understand much linux and sound ststem ;( |
| 21:46.34 | K_Dallas | system* |
| 21:46.36 | bobbens | jair: i dont like kde at all, always messes up with everything |
| 21:46.49 | bobbens | jair: once you use ALSA only it works like a charm |
| 21:46.55 | EmleyMoor | bobbens: mpg123 is non-free... mpg321 is drop-in compatible |
| 21:46.55 | brianjp | i'm confused...why did testing get securty updates before, but not any more? |
| 21:46.59 | bobbens | jair: at least in my experience :P |
| 21:47.16 | EmleyMoor | brianjp: It was brief - a condition of going stable |
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| 21:47.26 | bobbens | EmleyMoor: aah, i dont use non-free so i have mpg321, but wasnt sure whether it was 123 or 321 >< |
| 21:47.37 | brianjp | EmleyMoor, ah ok thanks |
| 21:47.37 | bobbens | EmleyMoor: too lazy to look it up :p |
| 21:47.42 | EmleyMoor | It will run as mpg123 - through a link |
| 21:47.53 | nanok | brianjp: because the testing from before is the stable from now, and the testing from now is the one we all lovinglly called SID :) |
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| 21:48.10 | EmleyMoor | nanok: testing is etch, not sid |
| 21:48.18 | OctalTHOR | nanok : Yeah, what EmleyMoor said. |
| 21:48.26 | bobbens | nanok: sid always = unstable |
| 21:48.33 | OctalTHOR | One might even say, perpetually. |
| 21:48.35 | rvalles | eternally unstable |
| 21:48.38 | rvalles | even scary |
| 21:48.42 | nanok | i said "called" |
| 21:49.03 | nanok | we all called it sid up to the 6th |
| 21:49.04 | EmleyMoor | nanok: testing is nothing like sid... |
| 21:49.05 | OctalTHOR | nanok : I think your statement is misleading. |
| 21:49.16 | bobbens | rvalles: it works really well though, much more stable then other distros |
| 21:49.16 | OctalTHOR | EmleyMoor : I believe what he's getting at is that Etch starts as a snapshot of Unstable. |
| 21:49.22 | brianjp | i was just confused because if the old testing got updates why not the new testing? |
| 21:49.26 | nanok | you might be right, it was supposed to be a little funny to |
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| 21:49.33 | nanok | sorry if it is missleading.. |
| 21:50.01 | EmleyMoor | Right now, etch is (virtually) the same as sarge |
| 21:50.07 | astronut | does anyone use the nerim.net archives? |
| 21:50.13 | nvz | brianjp: Security comes up for stable before its stable |
| 21:50.17 | EmleyMoor | astronut: I do |
| 21:50.17 | astronut | mplayer, adobe acrobate, etc (non free stuff) |
| 21:50.23 | OctalTHOR | astronut : I do. |
| 21:50.23 | astronut | EmleyMoor: did it just break? |
| 21:50.26 | nanok | brianjp: the old testing only got updates for a short while before becoming stable |
| 21:50.29 | streuner | astronut: well, everyone use it why? |
| 21:50.40 | astronut | streune, OctalTHOR: same question |
| 21:50.47 | nanok | and i think it also had them a long while ago, but not sure on that one.. |
| 21:50.56 | astronut | i just did an update and it i'm getting the FTP equivelent of a 404 |
| 21:50.59 | streuner | zerberus:/home/streuner# ping -c1 nerim.net |
| 21:50.59 | streuner | Pingu12: unknown host nerim.net |
| 21:51.05 | brianjp | ok so if i run testing then i should remove my security line from my sources.list ? |
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| 21:51.09 | astronut | ftp.nerim.net |
| 21:51.10 | OctalTHOR | pdbogen@archer:~$ ping ftp.nerim.net |
| 21:51.10 | OctalTHOR | PING shando.nerim.net (62.4.17.14) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 21:51.10 | OctalTHOR | 64 bytes from shando.nerim.net (62.4.17.14): icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 time=139 ms |
| 21:51.19 | EmleyMoor | astronut: It may just have broken... don't worry, it will come back |
| 21:51.21 | astronut | OctalTHOR: not the host, but the actual packages |
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| 21:51.28 | OctalTHOR | astronut : Right, I don't know about that. |
| 21:51.32 | MrBallZ | hi ... |
| 21:51.33 | OctalTHOR | astronut : I was mostly responding to streuner with that bit. |
| 21:51.36 | astronut | it updatedd and then i get 404 equivelnents |
| 21:51.49 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... .ie still a little faster than .uk |
| 21:52.03 | MrBallZ | more questons ... : 1.- what is the command tho check what version of X program i have installed , and if its installed e.g. Java , |
| 21:52.17 | OctalTHOR | MrBallZ : Depends. If it's a debian package: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 21:52.17 | pureone | dpkg -l |
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| 21:52.28 | OctalTHOR | MrBallZ : Otherwise, you have to figure out how that program does it. For java, it's: java -version |
| 21:52.36 | spaetz | java -version :) |
| 21:52.37 | MrBallZ | ok, let me check |
| 21:52.43 | EmleyMoor | If it's local, you'll have to go looking for it yourself |
| 21:52.46 | streuner | astronut: no problems with sid |
| 21:52.52 | MrBallZ | java not found ... |
| 21:53.02 | MrBallZ | so .. i have to make a apt-get -i java ????? |
| 21:53.11 | OctalTHOR | MrBallZ : Java isn't in the apt repositories. |
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| 21:53.18 | OctalTHOR | Let me find the right factoid for you. |
| 21:53.34 | astronut | streuner: weird..that's what i'm on |
| 21:53.34 | OctalTHOR | !tell MrBallZ about install java |
| 21:53.43 | astronut | streuner: what's the line in your sources.list? |
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| 21:53.51 | astronut | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 21:53.52 | streuner | astronut: well, i got the file wit apt-get update |
| 21:53.57 | MrBallZ | othnx ... |
| 21:54.06 | streuner | astronut: but it cant find any of those (apt-get upgrade) |
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| 21:54.14 | astronut | streuner: ya, that's my problem |
| 21:54.16 | astronut | ok, so it's not me |
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| 21:54.46 | MrBallZ | now .. question #2 , if i want to max out the ram in the pc, and the swap currently is 380MB , do i have to repartition the swap ??? or ... if i go to from 128MB ram to 512MB |
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| 21:54.50 | samueltc | hi |
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| 21:55.22 | samueltc | how can I set an alias interface in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:55.27 | sh4dowcat | MrBallZ: what makes you so sure you'll max it out? |
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| 21:55.42 | spencerk | i have a nvidia geforce graphic card, what should i have clicked on during install? |
| 21:55.42 | MrBallZ | because i have lots of ram sticks |
| 21:55.45 | spaetz | MrBallZ: nah, just leave swap as it is. Should be fine |
| 21:55.54 | OctalTHOR | sh4dowcat : Max out as in add more RAM. ;) |
| 21:56.25 | spencerk | i selected vga and my screen is all ugly |
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| 21:56.41 | MrBallZ | ok , now , quesstion #3 , I just finished downloading the 2nd DVD of Sarge, how do i tell apt-get that I have it , so when it needs a package it knows i have it there ... ???? |
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| 21:56.59 | K_Dallas | MrBallZ, add it to your sources.list |
| 21:57.01 | Bogus8 | what is the apt-get package for php support to apache2? |
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| 21:57.10 | MrBallZ | kdallas: how ? |
| 21:57.15 | MrBallZ | jsut type it in ??? |
| 21:57.16 | lesiek | mowi ktos |
| 21:57.18 | lesiek | po polsku |
| 21:57.23 | K_Dallas | look at it and copy the line you have for DVD1 to DVD2 |
| 21:57.31 | OleMoudi | what does "non-us is no more" mean? |
| 21:57.39 | OctalTHOR | Bogus8 : apt-cache search php apache2 |
| 21:57.44 | K_Dallas | somehting like that or run aptitude and add DVD2 as a new source |
| 21:57.48 | spaetz | it^s no more :P |
| 21:58.01 | spaetz | gone |
| 21:58.03 | lesiek | mowi ktos |
| 21:58.05 | EmleyMoor | OleMoudi: That which it contained is now in main |
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| 21:58.05 | OctalTHOR | !tell OleMoudi about non-us |
| 21:58.06 | lesiek | po pl |
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| 21:58.12 | Bogus8 | OctalTHOR: I had tried that.. so this libapache2-mod-php4 is the correct package? |
| 21:58.20 | MrBallZ | mmm, i wanted to do everything in comman line ... |
| 21:58.21 | jharrison | anyone want to recommend a log analyser? |
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| 21:58.29 | OctalTHOR | Bogus8 : I don't see any reason to believe it's not. |
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| 21:58.38 | OctalTHOR | Bogus8 : You realize you'll probably have to tweak the Apache config a bit to get it going, righ? |
| 21:58.40 | tarzeau | jharrison: awk? |
| 21:58.46 | sewi | lesiek, #debian.pl |
| 21:58.51 | emRick | my card reader is running at USB 1.1 but KDE's info center says that it is USB2.0 ... any ideas of why the copying is running slow? (the PC is new and 2.0 and the memory card is 66X SD high speed) |
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| 21:59.01 | MrBallZ | any other way to put other sources in apt-get from command line ... |
| 21:59.03 | jharrison | tarzeau: seriously |
| 21:59.03 | Bogus8 | OctalTHOR: hmm not really... I'm used to fedora... it just works... but I'm looking to make a min. install |
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| 21:59.09 | OctalTHOR | emRick : Which USB storage driver are you using? |
| 21:59.12 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 21:59.16 | Om | Bit of a weird question, I accidentally `cat`ed a gif, and now my terminal looks like this: "??????@????:·$", any ideas? :) |
| 21:59.20 | OleMoudi | EmleyMoor, does that mean I can remove non-us mirrors from my sources.list? |
| 21:59.21 | sh4dowcat | debian is as far away from fedora as you could possibly get |
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| 21:59.24 | tarzeau | Om: reset |
| 21:59.26 | OctalTHOR | Bogus8 : Hah, fedora, just works. :P Anyway, you need to tell apache to use PHP, I think. The lines are commented out, shouldn't be hard to find. |
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| 21:59.31 | initech | Om: type "reset" |
| 21:59.34 | tarzeau | sh4dowcat: like what? |
| 21:59.35 | OctalTHOR | Bogus8 : That's the way it is for Apache 1, anyway. I haven't used Apache2. :) |
| 21:59.49 | sh4dowcat | tarzeau: Fedora does everything for you |
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| 21:59.55 | sh4dowcat | doesn't even have standardized commands |
| 21:59.57 | Om | Ah, thought it would be pretty simple, if only you know what to do :( |
| 22:00.00 | Bogus8 | OctalTHOR: no prob... I'll dig aroundin the httpd.conf been there a few times before |
| 22:00.01 | Om | :) even |
| 22:00.05 | sh4dowcat | plus, you're completely helpless without the gui |
| 22:00.05 | Om | Thanks initech and tarzeau :) |
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| 22:00.14 | sh4dowcat | unless you REALLY know what to edit |
| 22:00.15 | MrBallZ | :( |
| 22:00.19 | sh4dowcat | no such thing as debconf |
| 22:00.24 | Bogus8 | OctalTHOR: you know no one bashes debian in #fedora :p |
| 22:00.27 | sh4dowcat | just good old vi |
| 22:00.39 | OctalTHOR | Bogus8 : Because anyone who's used Debian from #fedora is now in #debian. ;) |
| 22:00.40 | initech | sh4dowcat: it helps to keep all your custom apache shit in separate files for times like this |
| 22:00.48 | OctalTHOR | Bogus8 : Mind if I msg? (Some info about the lines I had to uncomment in Apache1) |
| 22:00.49 | Bogus8 | OctalTHOR: not really but ok ;) |
| 22:00.56 | Bogus8 | OctalTHOR: please do |
| 22:00.58 | sh4dowcat | initech: or you just don't use Fedora |
| 22:01.06 | robin_sz | http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/pc/images/02104.jpg |
| 22:01.16 | robin_sz | an ibm 5110 system, like wot I had |
| 22:01.17 | initech | sh4dowcat: i don't, but I am forced to use RHEL |
| 22:01.27 | sh4dowcat | initech: hah |
| 22:01.28 | robin_sz | apart from the tape drive |
| 22:01.38 | sh4dowcat | initech: so how many brain cells do you have left? :P |
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| 22:02.10 | initech | sh4dowcat: i find myself going all 'son of sam' on the machines more and more often |
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| 22:02.26 | Nexus | Anyone know how to disable ipv6 in sarge? |
| 22:02.30 | sh4dowcat | initech: so convert them to debian |
| 22:02.42 | emRick | OctalTHOR: I think I'm using the "ub" driver. I mount my card as "/dev/uba1". |
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| 22:02.51 | OctalTHOR | emRick : Yeah, that's slow. |
| 22:02.56 | initech | sh4dowcat: i wish :) if i can make a few debian converts at work, i think I can, for the servers anyway |
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| 22:03.03 | OctalTHOR | emRick : You want to disable that driver in the kernel sources and use the full USB Mass Storage drivers. |
| 22:03.27 | emRick | OctalTHOR: ok, thank! |
| 22:03.37 | ralf | what does the lsb-base package? it has only a shellscript to colore init scripts, but never seen a coloured debian boot |
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| 22:04.03 | OctalTHOR | emRick : Once you do that, it should show up as like, /dev/sda1 or somesuch, and should run at full-speed. |
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| 22:04.19 | Nexus | Crap. Gotta go. |
| 22:04.32 | EmleyMoor | I can't check my stable boxen are up to date until nerim's fixed |
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| 22:04.47 | IceD^ | I have following in my apt-sources: |
| 22:04.49 | IceD^ | deb ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 22:04.49 | IceD^ | deb-src ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 22:04.49 | IceD^ | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 22:04.51 | K_Dallas | EmleyMoor, comment out netrim line in your sources.list |
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| 22:05.00 | sh4dowcat | !tell IceD^ about paste |
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| 22:05.16 | IceD^ | sh4dowcat: 3 lines is OK I think |
| 22:05.18 | nanok | EmleyMoor: comment th nerim lines, apt-get update ;) |
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| 22:05.20 | EmleyMoor | K_Dallas: Needn't bother for now - nothing else has changed |
| 22:05.27 | K_Dallas | true :) |
| 22:05.35 | grokst | hi there, anybody knowing where to activate TSO support in Kernel 2.6.11 ? |
| 22:05.38 | sh4dowcat | change testing to stable |
| 22:05.41 | sh4dowcat | and you should be all set |
| 22:05.47 | TTimo | anyone know where the gnome packages are headed to in sid? my gnome-panel is gone |
| 22:05.48 | EmleyMoor | What's TSO? |
| 22:05.52 | IceD^ | I'd like to use etch |
| 22:05.54 | grokst | TCP Segmentation offload |
| 22:05.58 | OrangeSun | hey all! |
| 22:05.59 | OrangeSun | how can I add a "-" to a font name in fonts.cache, scale and dir ? When I try "\-", it don't work.. |
| 22:06.10 | toresbe | Time Sharing Option, a module delivered with OS/360 MVT |
| 22:06.12 | EmleyMoor | IceD^: Looks like you are doing |
| 22:06.12 | sh4dowcat | grokst: it should be stuffed in the networking section somewhere |
| 22:06.18 | drac | grokst: Tried menuconfig -search? |
| 22:06.48 | toresbe | it allowed time sharing a System/360 |
| 22:06.49 | grokst | hm never worked with that drac |
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| 22:07.06 | EmleyMoor | Once I have my new disk, I'm going to try setting up a horde framework on this box - to eventually replace the one on my now-etch box |
| 22:07.07 | drac | grokst: Hit / in menuconfig, it's been there a long time now :) |
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| 22:07.16 | IceD^ | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main <--- 404 |
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| 22:07.32 | K_Dallas | IceD^, change testing to sarge orstable |
| 22:07.33 | toresbe | drac: didn't know that, thanks |
| 22:07.37 | EmleyMoor | IceD^: Yes. Testing does not get security updates |
| 22:07.45 | IceD^ | hmm |
| 22:07.46 | IceD^ | ok |
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| 22:08.12 | MrBallZ | .... I just downloaded and installed the Java .bin from the sun webpage .... but still cant find when i do a java -version |
| 22:08.30 | sineer | I have a problem with grub and 2.6.11 kernel on my woody box... I use make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image to make my initrd ready kernel package that I install and the grub boot loader get called without error and I checked the configs and all... yet I get kernel panic when I try to boot the kernel and I have to fail back to my 2.4 kernel that run fine with initrd/grub :( hold on I'm booting it to write down the panic message I get |
| 22:08.36 | brianjp | K_Dallas, so it is ok to get updates from stable when running testing? |
| 22:08.37 | EmleyMoor | MrBallZ: Install java-package and use that to make a package of sun-java - then install that package |
| 22:08.45 | K_Dallas | brianjp, my bad :) |
| 22:09.07 | brianjp | K_Dallas, ok thanks :) |
| 22:09.10 | MrBallZ | ok , , but why it doesnt work , when i installed the .bin from sun ... ??? |
| 22:09.22 | donuts | type: run bin -11110 |
| 22:09.24 | K_Dallas | MrBallZ, how did you install the *bin file? |
| 22:09.35 | MrBallZ | chmod +777 the file |
| 22:09.45 | MrBallZ | then ./java********.bin |
| 22:09.46 | EmleyMoor | I used to maintain jre locally until java-package came out |
| 22:10.05 | MrBallZ | and then the agreement showed up , and then typed , yes to install ... |
| 22:10.18 | EmleyMoor | It could be tricky to get it in place, IIRC |
| 22:10.26 | K_Dallas | MrBallZ, yo uare supposed to download java-packge and go from there |
| 22:10.47 | rvalles | are there floppies for debian-installer which are 2.6 based? |
| 22:10.47 | MrBallZ | oki |
| 22:10.57 | sineer | damit my keyboard wasn't pluged in :( here comes the panic msg :) |
| 22:11.06 | MrBallZ | ok, couldn't find the package ... |
| 22:11.28 | K_Dallas | MrBallZ, try something like this /msg dpkg java |
| 22:11.40 | MrBallZ | which leads me to , how do i insert more sources in apt-get ??? |
| 22:11.44 | sineer | RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0 \n RAMDISK: Loading 2596KiB [1 disk] into ram disk... done. |
| 22:11.58 | EmleyMoor | MrBallZ: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:12.01 | sineer | KERNEL PANIC - not syncing: VVFS: Unable to mount roof fs on unknown-block(3,1) |
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| 22:12.18 | bush | sineer: your kernel needs xanax |
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| 22:12.25 | bush | panics and anxiety attacks are bad. |
| 22:12.29 | sineer | bush hahaha |
| 22:12.31 | sineer | lol |
| 22:12.47 | sineer | mayb I should feed it some weed or something? |
| 22:12.48 | MrBallZ | EmleyMoor* : but , wichones should i haave, i only havd DVD 1 , and i just burned dvd 2 , how do i insert it ? |
| 22:13.20 | bush | sineer: yes, but then your kernel may get sleepy and eat all your food |
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| 22:13.33 | robin_sz | mmmm . sherry. |
| 22:13.40 | TTimo | sineer, consider yourself lucky. I have a machine that has always refused to boot any 2.6 whatsoever. just stalls after the grub lines. runs 2.4 fine though |
| 22:13.46 | EmleyMoor | MrBallZ: Presumably you're running stable? |
| 22:13.50 | rvalles | are there floppies for debian-installer which are 2.6 based? |
| 22:13.51 | MrBallZ | yes, sarge |
| 22:13.56 | sineer | c'mon, wtf is wrong with this kernel! I built it with configs that I KNOW works because the same settings used to work except I remade the kernel after cleaning and all but shit! |
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| 22:14.21 | sineer | TTimo I ran 2.6 on that box b4 |
| 22:14.47 | EmleyMoor | MrBallZ: Which country are you in? |
| 22:14.48 | sineer | in fact the same kernel use to work, I just had to remake the kernel to add a sound driver I forgot and then it panic about that |
| 22:15.01 | MrBallZ | us |
| 22:15.12 | MrBallZ | Em USA |
| 22:15.22 | MrBallZ | emag* USA |
| 22:15.26 | MrBallZ | +S |
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| 22:15.29 | MrBallZ | arrrghhh |
| 22:15.31 | EmleyMoor | Well, I'd try adding: |
| 22:15.37 | maximien | hi |
| 22:15.59 | EmleyMoor | Erm... not sure, actually - it's a long time since I used US servers |
| 22:16.04 | maximien | i v'nt tested new sid |
| 22:16.18 | Bogus8 | how do i add a different cdrom (/media/cdrom1) to the apt's sources.list? |
| 22:16.21 | maximien | it's really unstable ? |
| 22:16.21 | emeteo | some recently problem with local resolv dns in sid ? ( ping, telnet, etc... with local servers try resolve it against 224.0.0.251) |
| 22:16.30 | MrBallZ | Same question as Bogus8 !!! |
| 22:16.39 | EmleyMoor | sid is always unstable - sometimes more unstable than others |
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| 22:16.51 | Bogus8 | MrBallZ: you just asked the same thing? |
| 22:16.55 | MrBallZ | yes |
| 22:17.02 | Bogus8 | oh, sorry for repeating |
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| 22:17.05 | EmleyMoor | man apt-cdrom |
| 22:17.12 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: did that... can't seem to make it work |
| 22:17.16 | MrBallZ | Bogus8* i just got the second dvd of sarge and want to add it to apg-get sources |
| 22:17.17 | Bogus8 | it picks one of the other |
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| 22:17.36 | Bogus8 | MrBallZ: I just have cd 1 and 2 but I want to do the same with the two drives that are ont he system |
| 22:17.51 | emeteo | (resolv.conf is right), host <server> resolv right. |
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| 22:18.10 | EmleyMoor | apt-cdrom add does it the simplest way |
| 22:18.15 | MrBallZ | weeeeeeeeeeeeee, apt-cdrom add , is working !!! |
| 22:18.18 | Bogus8 | it's like apt only knows of "cdrom" and it moves what "cdrom" is to whatever you tell it to "add" |
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| 22:18.41 | EmleyMoor | You should be prompted for CDs as appropriate |
| 22:18.56 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: we are looking to avoid being prompted.. just one cd per drive |
| 22:19.07 | MrBallZ | ok, so that is for cd's , wich are the servers i should have in apt-get sources , to look in the internet? |
| 22:19.18 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: I did apt-cdrom add -d /media/cdrom1 and it just moved my source drive but still only thinks I have one drive |
| 22:19.26 | EmleyMoor | BogusB: That would be nice - but it's not supported as far as I know |
| 22:19.43 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: that's exactly what it seems like apt-cdrom is for though :( |
| 22:19.44 | EmleyMoor | MrBallZ: Well, let me find out... |
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| 22:19.50 | rvalles | hm |
| 22:19.57 | icub3d | I'm trying to install the postgresql-8.0 package, but am having problems. apt-get install postgresql-8.0 says it can't find it, but when i do a package search at packages.debian.org, I find it. Any ideas why? |
| 22:20.06 | EmleyMoor | Bogus8: It's for handling multiple discs, not multiple drives |
| 22:20.15 | rvalles | heard something about a dell-tailored install iso. Where can I find it? |
| 22:20.16 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: ah, that sucks |
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| 22:20.32 | Bogus8 | the box is in the other room so I have to get up anytime I pick some packages |
| 22:21.00 | EmleyMoor | MrBallZ: Try this: |
| 22:21.20 | MrBallZ | ok ... |
| 22:21.21 | EmleyMoor | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 22:21.30 | MrBallZ | ok |
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| 22:22.16 | MrBallZ | hold on , im upgrading some pakages from the dvd #2 :P |
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| 22:22.35 | MrBallZ | if Sarge is in 2 complete DVD's , how many cds are there ... ( scarry ... ) |
| 22:22.44 | EmleyMoor | Umpteen... |
| 22:22.57 | EmleyMoor | I haven't made a set yet, and probably never will |
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| 22:23.40 | MrBallZ | EmleyMoor* ok , so i just copy that right?? deb ht..... |
| 22:24.12 | WhiteRabbit | MrBallZ, like 14 with out src's of course |
| 22:24.26 | zinx | MrBallZ: 14 |
| 22:24.31 | WhiteRabbit | MrBallZ, with src like 142 or so right? |
| 22:24.53 | WhiteRabbit | or 2 blue ray dvd disc hehe |
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| 22:25.12 | waTR | exit |
| 22:27.09 | Bogus8 | what other http sources for packages are there? I was looking for alsa-base (does it not exist anymore?) |
| 22:27.09 | EmleyMoor | Yes - put it after your DVDs, so they take priority |
| 22:27.09 | EmleyMoor | Bogus8: What country are you in? |
| 22:27.10 | Bogus8 | US |
| 22:27.10 | EmleyMoor | Running stable? |
| 22:27.10 | ethics | MrBallZ, 15 binary cds per arch,,i think with source and all archs its about 138 cds |
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| 22:27.10 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: just got system running so I would like ot stay with stable |
| 22:27.10 | EmleyMoor | Bogus8: That line is your official source |
| 22:27.11 | Bogus8 | in sources.list |
| 22:27.11 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: stable/updates main contrib |
| 22:27.11 | Bogus8 | that's what I got |
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| 22:27.12 | EmleyMoor | Bogus8: That will be for security |
| 22:27.12 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: ? qua? |
| 22:27.12 | EmleyMoor | If you want to get the packages in main, you need the line I gave MrBallZ |
| 22:27.12 | EmleyMoor | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
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| 22:27.13 | MrBallZ | is there another source i should have ? |
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| 22:27.14 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: Ah, doh! didn't see that security tag |
| 22:27.14 | EmleyMoor | MrBallZ: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 22:27.15 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: thanks man |
| 22:27.19 | EmleyMoor | ... at least |
| 22:27.29 | Bogus8 | err guess it's "man" |
| 22:27.50 | EmleyMoor | Bogus8: For once someone guesses correctly |
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| 22:28.14 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: glad i did something right in here finally ;) |
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| 22:28.42 | slowmo | How do you undo a dist-upgrade on unstable |
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| 22:28.51 | bluefox83 | i'd like to configure my second network card so that i can use my system as a gateway for my ps2, anyone know how to do that? |
| 22:29.04 | Bogus8 | to use apt-get to update my kernel and such I do apt-get dist-upgrade right? |
| 22:29.14 | TTimo | slowmo, afaik you can't |
| 22:29.40 | slowmo | TTimo: Well thats really bad.... I just foobar my gnome-pannel |
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| 22:29.50 | EmleyMoor | Bogus8: That's to upgrade from one release to another. Upgrading the kernel, if you are sticking with packaged kernels, is simply done by using aptitude and choosing the new kernel package |
| 22:29.54 | slowmo | cause they are switching 2.10 |
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| 22:29.59 | TTimo | yeah my gnome-panel appears to be gone too |
| 22:29.59 | hans__ | does debian sarge have kde or gnome? |
| 22:30.05 | tarzeau | hans__: both and gnustep |
| 22:30.18 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: I dont' like aptitude... can I just use apt-get for it? |
| 22:30.18 | EmleyMoor | hans__: Yes (!) |
| 22:30.19 | TTimo | let's not reboot for a long while |
| 22:30.22 | deadcat | tarzeau: you and your gnustep (= |
| 22:30.26 | hans__ | but why doesnt it boot into one of them? |
| 22:30.26 | TTimo | and stop doing updates |
| 22:30.26 | EmleyMoor | BogusB: Well, yes - if you know what's there |
| 22:30.27 | MrBallZ | Emley so wich are the other 14 entries i should have ???? |
| 22:30.31 | slowmo | TTimo: Mine crashed |
| 22:30.35 | bluefox83 | Bogus8, yes you can, but be sure to get all the kernel packages you need! |
| 22:30.39 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: hmm that is tricky |
| 22:30.50 | EmleyMoor | MrBallz: None essentially |
| 22:30.53 | TTimo | yeah I fucked up and killed mine, but the binary had been gone for a few days already |
| 22:31.03 | Bogus8 | so maybe I should just use aptitude for the kernel atleast eh? |
| 22:31.05 | bluefox83 | how is that tricky? apt-cache search kernel 2.6.11 |
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| 22:31.08 | MrBallZ | EmleyMoor : ok ok , thanks a lot for the help .... |
| 22:31.21 | MrBallZ | so , now ... how do i setup motif ?? is it a package ? |
| 22:31.29 | EmleyMoor | MrBallZ: If there's something not there that you need, ask and you may be offered a source that has it |
| 22:31.40 | slowmo | TTimo: Hmmm what if I dist-upgrade to expirmental |
| 22:32.12 | hans__ | when i boot debian sarge it stops in a terminal(?). how do i boot into gnome or kde? what do i have to type? |
| 22:32.20 | EmleyMoor | MrBallZ: I believe motif, or what there is of it, is non-free |
| 22:32.27 | pipeline | hans__: Well, first you have to install x-window-system and either gnome or kde. |
| 22:32.29 | maher | slowmo: you can't as experimental is not a distro |
| 22:32.39 | slowmo | damn |
| 22:32.47 | maher | slowmo: you can install random things from experimental tho |
| 22:32.48 | MobyTurbo | EmleyMoor: openmotif is non-free, but lesstif is not |
| 22:32.52 | hans__ | pipeline: how do i do that? |
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| 22:32.54 | pipeline | hans__: I suggest you start off by installing the packages "x-window-system" and "gdm" |
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| 22:33.00 | EmleyMoor | hans__: Do you have gdm or kdm installed? |
| 22:33.02 | pipeline | hans__: Then choose either "gnome-desktop-environment" or "kde" |
| 22:33.17 | pipeline | EmleyMoor, hans__ : kdm isn't worth fucking with. Use gdm, even if you intend to use kde :P |
| 22:33.27 | maher | slowmo: just wait a few days... |
| 22:33.29 | Bebonounch_doubl | hello |
| 22:33.36 | cddesjar | if i type apt-get install kde...will it download all of kde and install it? |
| 22:33.43 | EmleyMoor | I've only ever used xdm |
| 22:34.02 | pipeline | EmleyMoor: kdm is just a less-frequently-updated xdm with a Qt frontend :P |
| 22:34.04 | MobyTurbo | cddesjar: yes. apt-get is your friend. :-) |
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| 22:34.18 | hans__ | pipeline yeag im using ubuntu(gnome) right now and its way better that kubuntu(kde) |
| 22:34.18 | pipeline | hans__: I presume you know how to install packages |
| 22:34.20 | cddesjar | yeah! |
| 22:34.26 | cddesjar | apt-get makes sense at least... |
| 22:34.29 | Bebonounch_doubl | i lost the list of application in gnome-menu and no way to find how to show it. Could youhelp me ? |
| 22:34.36 | pipeline | hans__: Ah, you should probably ask #ubuntu about ubuntu shit. It's too different from debian for us to bother. |
| 22:34.37 | MobyTurbo | !ubuntu |
| 22:34.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 22:34.45 | Bogus8 | bluefox83: I just ran apt-cache search kernel 2.6.11 and all it returned was one patch for bluetooth |
| 22:34.54 | Bogus8 | and 2 other unrealted things |
| 22:34.55 | hans__ | pipeline: no i want to switch to debian |
| 22:35.06 | MobyTurbo | hans__: then you'll have to install Debian |
| 22:35.12 | slowmo | kernel-image- |
| 22:35.23 | Bogus8 | slowmo: was that for me? |
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| 22:35.33 | Ugly_Duck | ok, newbie certificate question.. i have a CAcert server certificate... how do i create my certificate i can use in ssl from that? create a text file and paste the certificate into it ? |
| 22:35.40 | slowmo | Bogus8: sure |
| 22:35.46 | hans__ | pipeline: how do i install the packages "x-window-system" and "gdm"? |
| 22:36.02 | EmleyMoor | How, in aptitude, do I find all packages in status "c"? (conf files present but package absent) |
| 22:36.28 | bluefox83 | Bogus8, strange.. |
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| 22:36.44 | jshoenberger | Was there something wrong with the Apt-get updater? For the longest time I had no packages to update/upgrade... then yesterday it came up with 240 that need to be upgraded |
| 22:36.52 | Bogus8 | bluefox83: yeah, I'm not able to find a 2.6.11 at all |
| 22:37.01 | bluefox83 | Bogus8, you're not using unstable are you? |
| 22:37.04 | EmleyMoor | jshoenberger: Which distro are you set to follow? |
| 22:37.08 | Bogus8 | bluefox83: nope |
| 22:37.18 | jshoenberger | EmleyMoor, Debian... |
| 22:37.20 | bluefox83 | Bogus8, then do apt-cache search kernel 2.6 |
| 22:37.31 | EmleyMoor | jshoenberger: Which release? |
| 22:37.47 | bluefox83 | it will find all of the matching 2.6 kernel stuff for testing |
| 22:38.02 | pipeline | hans__: The same way you would under ubuntu. Either use "aptitude," "synaptic," or "apt-get install <list of packages to install>" |
| 22:38.02 | Bogus8 | bluefox83: I'm looking for image right? |
| 22:38.05 | bluefox83 | Bogus8, you are using testing aren't you? |
| 22:38.12 | jshoenberger | EmleyMoor, I'm too tired to think, the answer I was looking for was no. thanks :D, I'll just put it into the catagory of "voodoo magik" |
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| 22:38.13 | Bogus8 | bluefox83: no I d/l 3.1 stabel |
| 22:38.16 | Bogus8 | stable* |
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| 22:38.30 | bluefox83 | why in the world are you using stable? |
| 22:38.31 | glick | excuse me how can i install debian on a machine with no display? |
| 22:38.36 | bluefox83 | that's the ooooooooooooooooooooold stuff |
| 22:38.38 | pipeline | bluefox83: Why WOULDN'T you use stable? |
| 22:38.44 | pipeline | blue119: uh, ooooold? It came out six days ago. |
| 22:38.46 | pipeline | err |
| 22:38.47 | paulswm | bluefox83: NO it isn't. |
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| 22:38.59 | bluefox83 | six days ago!?!?! |
| 22:39.01 | pipeline | glick: Is it a PC? |
| 22:39.03 | paulswm | @lart bluefox83 |
| 22:39.05 | glick | pipeline, yeah |
| 22:39.06 | EmleyMoor | jshoenberger: There has just been a release - so stable has undergone major updates. testing has begun to change now too... not sure about unstable |
| 22:39.11 | pipeline | bluefox83: It came out a couple of days ago, but it's been frozen for about a week :P |
| 22:39.16 | Bogus8 | bluefox83: umm cause I just want a small system that works very consistantly.. not looking for anything more than CLI with basic webserver ..I mainly plan on runnin mpd (mp3 daemon) on it |
| 22:39.21 | paulswm | bluefox83: /topic |
| 22:39.22 | pipeline | EmleyMoor: Unstable, there have been hundreds of mb of updates just today. |
| 22:39.32 | jshoenberger | EmleyMoor, 3.0 ... I guess... That's what I wrote on the CD I installed from |
| 22:39.38 | pipeline | glick: Doing it on a PC is much more complicated than you would want it to be. |
| 22:39.50 | pipeline | jshoenberger: 3.0 is going to be very painful. Get 3.1 |
| 22:39.51 | error403 | Hi, I'm trying a Sarge Netinstall on my laptop, but the network autodetect is refusing to work... Just wondering if this is a common laptop problem, and if there is an easy way to resolve it |
| 22:39.51 | EmleyMoor | 3.0 is old... 3.1 (sarge) is the current stable |
| 22:39.57 | jshoenberger | I don't care! |
| 22:39.59 | jshoenberger | Lol |
| 22:40.01 | deadcat | looks like 2.10 gnome is in unstable? |
| 22:40.01 | paulswm | Bogus8: You have the right distro |
| 22:40.02 | pipeline | glick: You need a special install disc and/or floppy. |
| 22:40.04 | glick | pipeline, cant i use my laptop display somehow? |
| 22:40.06 | pipeline | deadcat: It's getting there. |
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| 22:40.14 | webuadata | hey |
| 22:40.17 | deadcat | pipeline: ya. reading the weekly news |
| 22:40.26 | icub3d | I'm trying to install the postgresql-8.0 package, but am having problems. apt-get install postgresql-8.0 says it can't find it, but when i do a package search at packages.debian.org, I find it. Any ideas why? |
| 22:40.26 | jshoenberger | I'm using 3.0 because I'm afraid to update my server that I have no access to, I'll kill something and get fired |
| 22:40.29 | webuadata | Does anyone know any p2p music sharing programs that i can atp-get? |
| 22:40.32 | pipeline | deadcat: As of this morning, most of it was there, but gnome-panel was broken. |
| 22:40.46 | pipeline | webuadata: install "nicotine" and "psyco" |
| 22:40.47 | Bogus8 | paulswm: so what is the latest kernel (stable) and where do I get it... the latest I find for 686 is 2.6.8 |
| 22:40.53 | webuadata | is it good? |
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| 22:40.56 | Bebonounch_doubl | i lost the list of application in gnome-menu and no way to find how to show it. Could youhelp me ? |
| 22:40.56 | pipeline | webuadata: "nicotine" is the program, but you need psyco to make it usable |
| 22:40.57 | deadcat | pipeline: ehe. not bad. |
| 22:41.11 | webuadata | which should i install first? |
| 22:41.22 | paulswm | Bogus8: apt-cache search kernel-image - not sure what the latest is there |
| 22:41.24 | bluefox83 | ok, my second network card doesn't seem to be getting any power..any ideas guys? |
| 22:41.30 | pipeline | glick: There's at least two ways to do it. You can use a pseudo-console on the serial port with a null-modem cable, or you can use the SSH console, in which the installer starts an sshd and you log in. |
| 22:41.34 | Bogus8 | 2.4.8 :( |
| 22:41.50 | glick | pipeline, how can i make the installer start a sshd? |
| 22:42.01 | maher | bluefox83: is it pci? |
| 22:42.06 | bluefox83 | maher, yeah |
| 22:42.15 | webuadata | pipeline is it a good program? |
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| 22:42.40 | bluefox83 | lspci does not show it at all |
| 22:42.45 | bluefox83 | the card itself has no lights on |
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| 22:42.55 | maher | bluefox83: stick it in a different slot |
| 22:43.01 | bluefox83 | it's my second card..i'm currently using an integrated card |
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| 22:43.20 | bluefox83 | i don't want to shut my system down :( |
| 22:43.23 | pipeline | webuadata: No. It's awful. There aren't any good ones for any other platform, so awful is already good enaugh. |
| 22:43.37 | maher | bluefox83: try pushing it in harder in the other slot - don't try this with the machine on |
| 22:43.44 | pipeline | glick: It's a royal pain in the ass. You have to use a "preeseeded" installer that automatically uses dhcp and then starts the network console. |
| 22:43.47 | webuadata | it says it cant find |
| 22:43.48 | webuadata | psyco |
| 22:43.55 | webuadata | sorry for the enter tab on that my bad. |
| 22:44.02 | bluefox83 | maher, i am intelligent enough to turn the machine off before messing with internal hardware..thanks |
| 22:44.12 | error403 | Hi, I'm trying a Sarge Netinstall on my laptop, but the network autodetect is refusing to work... Just wondering if this is a common laptop problem, and if there is an easy way to resolve it |
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| 22:44.20 | lollo | eilà |
| 22:44.37 | maher | bluefox83: well - i'd feel bad if you weren't and yuor computer burnt to the ground... |
| 22:44.39 | nanok | error403: the network auto detect?.. |
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| 22:44.41 | glick | a preseeded installer? |
| 22:44.42 | pipeline | glick: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerPreseed |
| 22:44.55 | pipeline | glick: Hang on, I think there's an easy way to do it with a serial console. |
| 22:44.55 | maher | error403: what sort of network |
| 22:44.56 | bluefox83 | maher, yeah..thanks.. |
| 22:44.58 | error403 | nanok, yes, when it tries to configure via DHCP |
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| 22:45.00 | lollo | che casino che c'è qu dentro |
| 22:45.12 | masoft | what are kernel-trees ? does it for compile kernel ?! |
| 22:45.16 | nanok | error403: do you have a dhcp server listening on your network?.. |
| 22:45.20 | error403 | yes, i do |
| 22:45.23 | roman | can someone recommend a good msn+icq client for KDE? |
| 22:45.23 | MrBallZ | weeeeeeeeeeeeeee , just installed java =) |
| 22:45.26 | webuadata | Hey does anyone know the program something gnutella? |
| 22:45.26 | maher | error403: what error - paste in #flood if itsl ong |
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| 22:45.34 | MrBallZ | roman: kopete ??? |
| 22:45.35 | webuadata | Something like gnutella-kds |
| 22:45.36 | webuadata | or something |
| 22:45.40 | error403 | nanok, the same netinstall cd has no problem on my other computer |
| 22:45.46 | maher | !tell webuadata about serach |
| 22:45.50 | nanok | error403: is the cable plugged, do you have a link? ;) |
| 22:45.50 | Matong | webuadata, gaim ;-) |
| 22:45.53 | lollo | kopete?? blea, I use gaim |
| 22:45.54 | maher | !tell webuadata about search |
| 22:45.56 | tomsa | Hello, I would like to know if it is easy to build a debian package from source code from CVS |
| 22:45.58 | webuadata | I have gaim. |
| 22:45.59 | masoft | waTR, I recommend Gaim ! but you can use kopete , too |
| 22:46.05 | Matong | webuadata, or licq |
| 22:46.07 | webuadata | But i need a p2p sharing program to download music |
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| 22:46.13 | error403 | maher, not an error, just the standard installer message 'Blah ... probably no DHCP... blah" |
| 22:46.15 | pipeline | glick: Yeah, you can definitely do a serial console installation by just editing the bootloader configuration for whatever your chosen installer is |
| 22:46.19 | Matong | webuadata, sorry, missed you need msn |
| 22:46.29 | maher | error403: does ifconfig show anything apart from lo |
| 22:46.30 | nanok | error403: use the shell, see if you have link, if you do, try to configure manually |
| 22:46.32 | lollo | kopete=shit, gaim= ^_^ |
| 22:46.34 | pipeline | glick: Just change the console= parameter passed to the kernel and the debian-installer will detect it. That would be /much/ easier to do. |
| 22:46.34 | glick | pipeline, i think i best just borrow a monitor from someone |
| 22:46.36 | error403 | nanok, yes, everything was fine, i was using it with another installer not long ago |
| 22:46.37 | webuadata | matong are you trying to contact me on MSN? |
| 22:46.44 | nanok | some network cards are just somewhat dumb with dhcp.. |
| 22:46.52 | error403 | nanok, how do i use with the shell? |
| 22:46.54 | pipeline | glick: Seriously, it's not that hard to change the bootloader configuration. :P |
| 22:47.01 | nanok | (network cards/network drivers, whatever...) |
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| 22:47.06 | Matong | webuadata, why should I? |
| 22:47.07 | error403 | nanok, im using the Sarge Netinstall |
| 22:47.08 | masoft | kernel-trees ?! what are them ? nobody here knows that ??? |
| 22:47.09 | glick | pipeline, but i dont have a serial cable, i thought i did |
| 22:47.17 | lollo | suka baruca |
| 22:47.18 | webuadata | I'm asking you for a program to download music. |
| 22:47.28 | masoft | websdale, amule |
| 22:47.34 | pipeline | glick: Yeah. That's rough. |
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| 22:47.41 | Pingu12 | is there a new basedebs file for sarge now ? cant find one @ mirrorlist |
| 22:48.05 | Matong | webuadata, more over, I do not have MSN. For your music, try mldonkey |
| 22:48.05 | nanok | error403: alt + f2 should get you to a shel, configure with ifconfig |
| 22:48.09 | error403 | maher, what am i looking for in ifconfig? |
| 22:48.11 | Draconicus | Hmm.. well.. not much I can do in here right now. |
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| 22:48.15 | nanok | error403: see if it works after |
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| 22:48.18 | tot | when using mysql with -e, redirection removes the pretty table, is there a way to redirect with the table intact? |
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| 22:48.33 | error403 | nanok, what do you mean configure with ifconfig? |
| 22:48.37 | maher | error403: paste it in #flood |
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| 22:48.53 | error403 | maher, how? different machine... |
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| 22:49.06 | waTR | I have a problem where kopete isnt working for ICQ |
| 22:49.09 | waTR | it keeps locking up |
| 22:49.11 | error403 | maher, nothing installed on it |
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| 22:49.12 | nanok | error403: use ifconfig to configure the netcard, and route (or "ip", whichever you preffer) to set the default route |
| 22:49.14 | webuadata | Matong, any others says that "mldonkey" Does not exists. Or unknown command. |
| 22:49.21 | nanok | and an editor for resolv.conf |
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| 22:49.40 | nanok | or just chose to configure manually, from the installer, instead of dhcp |
| 22:49.45 | maher | error403: ok - does it have more than one stanza? or is it just lo |
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| 22:50.00 | error403 | maher, has eth0 |
| 22:50.05 | error403 | so it can see it |
| 22:50.10 | Matong | webuadata, I do not understand you |
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| 22:50.11 | error403 | but coming up 10 dropped packets |
| 22:50.15 | nanok | error403: doaah, you can ask the installer to configure the netcard manually, it will walk you trough it.. :) |
| 22:50.21 | Matong | webuadata, eh, by the way, what is dcc |
| 22:50.26 | mr_clark | hi. How do I force a reinstall of a package (specifically bacula) so that it will overwrite all current configuration files? I've screwed my setup really bad and want to start froms scratch. |
| 22:50.28 | waTR | is there any good replacement for kopete? Everytime I setup an ICQ account it locks up when I click FINISH |
| 22:50.31 | colphorbin | hey could some one help me figure out this error message that i am getting during an install? |
| 22:50.39 | Matong | webuadata, xchat could not connect with you |
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| 22:50.57 | nanok | maher: if it asks to configure via dhcp it must see some eth of some sort, usually ;) |
| 22:51.07 | maher | error403: can you ping google.com? |
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| 22:51.14 | damyan_ | waTR: gaim |
| 22:51.22 | error403 | maher, the shell says i dont have a ping command... |
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| 22:51.35 | waTR | damyan_: thanks |
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| 22:51.49 | nanok | waTR: gaim ayttm centericq bitlbee you name it.. :) |
| 22:51.55 | azol | hi all. what is the difference between businesscard.iso and netinst.iso? |
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| 22:51.58 | masoft | waTR, as I said, gaim is the best choice |
| 22:52.08 | nanok | waTR: in short, the question is how many there are, not if there is one :) |
| 22:52.09 | maher | error403: do you have an inet addr: line |
| 22:52.11 | masoft | waTR, if you like TEXTMODE try centericq |
| 22:52.26 | error403 | maher, in ifconfig? |
| 22:52.34 | maher | error403: yes |
| 22:52.41 | waTR | thanks for the help ;) I have no idea why kopete doesnt want to play nice... |
| 22:52.49 | error403 | maher, yes i do |
| 22:52.56 | LikesHisLunch | Hello nice Debian folk... I'm an Ubuntu user trying to get the openoffice-evolution package to work so that I can mail merge using my Evolution address books.... does anyone know if this is currently working in true Debian? |
| 22:53.17 | Matong | but one thing I find not so good in gaim. It does not respect privacy options setted in icq [ add to contactlist only with my aggreement ] |
| 22:53.21 | damyan_ | can someone explain me why alsaconf makes my webcam mixer dissaper ? |
| 22:53.28 | damyan_ | disappear* |
| 22:53.29 | P-K | I did a woody to sarge dist-upgrade. I followed the debain release notes. When I rebooted it after the upgrade it just says LI. Looks like Lilo got jacked. |
| 22:53.32 | error403 | CRAP!!! just rebooted in the middle of a partition |
| 22:53.34 | P-K | Anyways to fix that ? |
| 22:53.35 | error403 | >.< |
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| 22:54.03 | nanok | P-K: yer, reinstall lilo, i guess :) |
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| 22:54.20 | maher | P-K: do you have a boot disk / live cd handy |
| 22:54.26 | P-K | I cant boot into the machine though. |
| 22:54.33 | masoft | P-K, start your system with a live linux like knoppix, then chroot to your partition and run lilo |
| 22:54.35 | P-K | yeah I do |
| 22:54.36 | nanok | P-K: shit does happen, you know...but make sure something very strange has not happened before you do that, ofc.. |
| 22:54.42 | webuadata | Someone please give me a P2P music downloading program to download via atp-get. |
| 22:55.01 | masoft | webuadata, amule |
| 22:55.01 | waTR | can you recommend a good mp3 player for KDE? |
| 22:55.05 | nanok | webuadata: have you tryed google?.. |
| 22:55.17 | error403 | maher, i dont have a inet addr: line |
| 22:55.19 | masoft | waTR, xmms, mplayer, kplayer |
| 22:55.25 | error403 | not before i configure manually |
| 22:55.27 | arafat | and amarok! |
| 22:55.29 | nanok | webuadata: and/or apt-cache search, or synaptic or whatever you are using?.. |
| 22:55.33 | Solet-deb | what driver should i pick for xf86conf-4 for a matrox card? |
| 22:55.34 | arafat | the best out there:-) |
| 22:55.40 | waTR | masoft: thanks |
| 22:55.40 | damyan_ | amarok rules |
| 22:56.04 | nanok | Solet-deb: deppends on the matrox.. |
| 22:56.09 | nanok | i guess |
| 22:56.20 | error403 | maher ? |
| 22:56.28 | damo1987 | can anyone help me access data from my card reader, 'fdisk -l' shows nothing but 'lsusb' and 'dmesg' show that it is this device 'Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1019:0c55' |
| 22:56.31 | Matong | webuadata, try this search http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php |
| 22:56.49 | Solet-deb | will lspci tell me what i need? (i havent put it in yet, i was hoping to change XF86Config-4, then shut down put card in and boot backup) |
| 22:56.58 | maher | error403: what happens if you type ifup eth0 |
| 22:57.02 | webuadata | ok matong |
| 22:57.26 | error403 | maher, 'ifup not found' |
| 22:57.27 | error403 | :P |
| 22:57.30 | waTR | This is weird... I configured my xf86 to allow 1024x768 display but in KDE I can't choose that display option... Do I have to go through xf86 config again? Is there a shortcut to adding the 1024x768 option to the config file? |
| 22:57.36 | maher | error403: are you root? |
| 22:57.40 | deadcat | error403: /sbin/ |
| 22:57.46 | error403 | maher, Netinstall... |
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| 22:58.30 | error403 | deadcat, ? |
| 22:58.34 | maher | error403: /sbin/ifup eth0 |
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| 22:58.45 | error403 | maher, it isnt there |
| 22:59.09 | error403 | maher, im using the latest (3.1r0) netinstall disk |
| 22:59.32 | Matong | webuadata, can't accept DCC CHAT, do not know why |
| 22:59.42 | webuadata | Grr |
| 22:59.44 | Bebonounch_doubl | i lost the list of application in gnome-menu and no way to find how to show it. Could you help me ? |
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| 23:00.26 | nanok | error403: have you plugged the _same_ cable u are using now in another computer, to check there is a link?.. |
| 23:00.26 | Solet-deb | waTR: did you get any errors? |
| 23:00.35 | webuadata | Grr |
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| 23:00.50 | error403 | nanok, i was using the laptop as a webserver less than 20 mins ago |
| 23:00.57 | error403 | and nothing has been moved |
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| 23:01.03 | error403 | it _isnt_ a cable issue |
| 23:01.10 | error403 | i would stake my life on it |
| 23:01.16 | damo1987 | anyone know anything about usb to help with my previous post? i'd be very gratefull |
| 23:01.26 | waTR | Solet-deb: none...I think it just never got configured as an option |
| 23:01.32 | maher | error403: well i dunno - if eth0 is showing up you should have support for yuor network card - at what stahe in the installer are you? |
| 23:01.32 | webuadata | Grr Matong |
| 23:01.38 | error403 | nanok, for some reason, the Kubuntu installer DOES work fine... |
| 23:01.44 | AigleDor | how to install x-window-system on debian sarge? |
| 23:01.48 | raf256 | is it a good time to move to xorg without fucking up the system yet? |
| 23:01.50 | webuadata | Matong: I really need a music download program idk what im doing |
| 23:01.51 | waTR | Solet-deb: at the moment the maximum resolution I can get is 800x600 which sucks |
| 23:01.55 | nanok | error403: ok.. plug the cable out, back in after five secs, and run dmesg |
| 23:02.07 | Solet-deb | waTR: put your xf86config-4 up on a pastebin so i can look at it |
| 23:02.08 | webuadata | i tried apt-get install amule |
| 23:02.11 | nanok | and tell us what are the last to lines or so you see.. |
| 23:02.19 | error403 | maher, im at the Network autoconfiguration stage |
| 23:02.19 | error403 | nanok, will try |
| 23:02.40 | maher | error403: what errors are you getting |
| 23:02.45 | Solet-deb | waTR: (please be quick i was getting ready to shut down for a hardware upgrade, but i enjoy helping people becasue its not often that i can) |
| 23:03.08 | Matong | webuadata, well, take apt-get.org, search for the programm you want, add the suitable server it in you sources.list, and install it per apt-get. I do not understand, why this is not working for you |
| 23:03.15 | slowmo | anyone know how I can get the gnome-panel 2.10 to install currently, unoffice repo |
| 23:03.15 | error403 | maher, it just tells me it couldnt autoconfigure |
| 23:03.28 | error403 | you know the usual "Blah cant find DHCP blah" |
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| 23:03.46 | AigleDor | can you tell me plz how to install x-window-system on debian sarge? |
| 23:03.48 | waTR | Solet-deb: Thanks very much for this...what do you mean by pastebin though? |
| 23:03.58 | giupy | wich prog to know cpu temperature? |
| 23:04.07 | maher | error403: what about /sbin/dhclient eth0 |
| 23:04.07 | pipeline | AigleDor: The same way as you install anything else |
| 23:04.07 | Solet-deb | http://www.nomorepasting.com |
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| 23:04.12 | FieldySnuts | can you plz spell properly? otherwise forget it |
| 23:04.28 | plugwash | did non-us dissapear recently or something? |
| 23:04.40 | error403 | nanok, |
| 23:04.43 | AigleDor | pipeline> I only have a base system, I don't have anything else |
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| 23:04.45 | FieldySnuts | !topicsmite plugwash |
| 23:04.46 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon plugwash. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:04.51 | error403 | nanok, in the dmesg, what were you looking for? |
| 23:04.56 | maher | plugwash: yes |
| 23:05.02 | paulswm | Yay, Fieldy! |
| 23:05.35 | Solet-deb | FieldySnuts: you're so mean... i was typing out the explination... you just pimpslapped his ass to the dirt |
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| 23:05.49 | paulswm | !prize FieldySnuts |
| 23:05.58 | error403 | nanok, my last line in dmesg is 'eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 41e1' |
| 23:06.13 | maher | error403: what about /sbin/dhclient eth0 |
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| 23:06.56 | error403 | maher, what am i looking for? |
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| 23:07.26 | maher | error403: did it say anythign |
| 23:07.26 | scar` | how can I set my 3com 3c905c nic to full duplex mode |
| 23:07.27 | AigleDor | can you tell me plz how to install x-window-system on debian sarge? apt-get install x-window-sstem doesn't work :( |
| 23:07.35 | error403 | maher, im running it, its trying the same thing 'DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255' |
| 23:07.40 | error403 | with different intervals |
| 23:07.43 | masoft | how can I send something to background when its running now ? when I use ctrl+z in someprogram like wget, it will stop downloading ... what can I di ? |
| 23:07.47 | colphorbin | hey, i need some help figuring an error message i am recieving. someone help! |
| 23:07.58 | error403 | maher, 'No DHCPOFFERS receved' |
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| 23:08.04 | maher | scar`: mii-tool |
| 23:08.08 | TNKS | hi all. I just read a HOWTO about kerneld, but I'm thinking it's deprecated now. Is there a modern method to load and unload modules automatically? |
| 23:08.09 | Solet-deb | waTR: have you pasted it at that link yet? |
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| 23:08.25 | paulswm | colphorbin: Well it would kind of help if you explained what the messsage is |
| 23:08.34 | maher | error403: are you running a dhcp server? are all the little network lights on that shouldbe on? |
| 23:08.36 | waTR | Solet-deb: Sorry...I havent been back to linux for a while... where is the xf86config stored again? |
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| 23:08.49 | WiFiTux | is there here a good samaritan that could help me find how to configure proxy settings for a terminal? point me out somewhere? |
| 23:08.51 | error403 | maher, yes, because this computer is on the same network |
| 23:09.10 | Solet-deb | waTR: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 23:09.19 | dkane | hi all ... i screwed up a 160 gb hd i attached to ide sec master. (hdc) the hd contains 2 ext2 / ext3 partitions and one ntfs. the system is a dualboot system, unfortunately the ntfs partition was reformated under win2k and imho thats why fidsk -l returns " artition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary." for each partition |
| 23:09.20 | TNKS | wait a second, maybe kerneld isn't deprecated at all. |
| 23:09.21 | maher | error403: ok - i dunno then - something is wrong but I don't now what |
| 23:09.23 | paulswm | !wb abrotman |
| 23:09.24 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
| 23:09.26 | colphorbin | paulswm: HERE IS THE MESSAGE: checking for KDE... configure: error:in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 23:09.31 | abrotman | paulswm: hi |
| 23:09.36 | error403 | maher, just to check, ill run my kubuntu CD |
| 23:09.42 | MrBallZ | where can i get a list of the apt repositories ??? to include them in my sources.list file ??? |
| 23:09.43 | Matong | by the way, has anyone get an rtl8180l wifi card working with ndiswrapper? |
| 23:09.48 | error403 | my kubuntu CD has no problems with it |
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| 23:09.57 | WiFiTux | Matong: yes. |
| 23:10.01 | chandoo | hi :) |
| 23:10.04 | maher | error403: use debootstrap from kubuntu then |
| 23:10.04 | chandoo | a new bee |
| 23:10.09 | colphorbin | paulswm: that was during an install of KoolDock |
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| 23:10.15 | waTR | Solet-deb: ahh...that dir does not exist... |
| 23:10.15 | error403 | maher, how? |
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| 23:10.32 | Solet-deb | thats not a dir... thats a path with a file name |
| 23:10.33 | waTR | Solet-deb: oh wait |
| 23:10.34 | paulswm | colphorbin: I don't use KDE, no need to either address me directly or shout |
| 23:10.35 | waTR | there it is |
| 23:10.38 | Solet-deb | the dir is /etc/X11 |
| 23:10.39 | Exit83 | hello all |
| 23:11.05 | colphorbin | paulswm: oops, sorry, not my intention |
| 23:11.10 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: confuse waTR |
| 23:11.10 | dpkg | Yes, who was our badger yesterday, waTR? lederhosen of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 23:11.17 | nksen | when I type 'who' there are three logged in users. one is 3 weeks old, so I guess it's a zombie or something. even restarting ssh does not remove this looged in user. how can I wipe it out? |
| 23:11.18 | paulswm | colphorbin: no problem :) |
| 23:11.23 | maher | error403: mount the hd and run deboostrap with the hs as target specifying you want to install stable from a plaindebian mirror (not a ubuntu mirror) |
| 23:11.36 | chandoo | hi i am new for debian. i would like to know is it simple installation like fedora |
| 23:11.40 | Matong | WiFiTux, kewl. My problem, I think, is that this card does not activate the radio-part [ I only got this working by takeing the running card out of windows 2k without stopping, and then everythin worked ] But clean, nothing |
| 23:11.44 | Exit83 | i have a question about the directory tree. what are the maps srv, sys and opt for? i found some sites that explain the drectory tree but couldn't see mto find these files under / |
| 23:11.57 | chandoo | or is it complicated |
| 23:12.10 | dkane | i read in the gpart man page that drive geometries of larger (160 too large?) disks sometimes dont get recognized correctly ... is hdparm reliable to larger disk ? |
| 23:12.11 | Exit83 | chandoo it is simple |
| 23:12.13 | FieldySnuts | Exit83: could you rephrase that? |
| 23:12.24 | Exit83 | well, googling for directory tree linux |
| 23:12.27 | Solet-deb | chandoo: its not hard... but unlike fedora... when you're done... you dont have fedora on your computer |
| 23:12.29 | WiFiTux | Matong: the thing has issues. but should work. |
| 23:12.29 | MobyTurbo | chandoo: the installation of Sarge is easy enough, it isn't exactly as "easy" as Fedora, but since you only run the installer once that doesn't matter. :-) |
| 23:12.35 | error403 | maher, could you please explain a bit more? sorry... |
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| 23:12.39 | Exit83 | it gives some sites with a list of the directory tree |
| 23:12.39 | initech | chandoo: it is most certainly more complicated, since it gives more choices |
| 23:12.45 | WiFiTux | abrotman: do you use proxy settings in your terminals? |
| 23:12.52 | AigleDor | can you tell me plz how to install x-window-system on debian sarge? apt-get install x-window-system doesn't tells me that this package may be missing or obselete |
| 23:13.02 | Exit83 | but in debian i have 3 maps that i cant match |
| 23:13.08 | maher | error403: do you know how to mount the hard disk from kubuntu |
| 23:13.09 | WiFiTux | AigleDor: what does it say? |
| 23:13.10 | Exit83 | so i was wondering whats the use of them |
| 23:13.14 | AigleDor | can you tell me plz how to install x-window-system on debian sarge? apt-get install x-window-system tells me that this package may be missing or obselete |
| 23:13.14 | FieldySnuts | Exit83: what do you mean by maps? |
| 23:13.17 | damo1987 | hello! would anybody be able to help me access data using my card reader? 'fdisk -l' doesn't show it but 'lsusb' shows the device as 'Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1019:0c55'. i know it will work be cause i have used it in linux before. |
| 23:13.18 | chandoo | just download ISO images and install? |
| 23:13.19 | error403 | maher, yeah, i guess |
| 23:13.19 | Exit83 | the maps are sys, srv and opt |
| 23:13.27 | Exit83 | directory's sorry |
| 23:13.31 | waTR | Solet-deb: oh...I just took a look at the file... |
| 23:13.34 | Solet-deb | chandoo... dont forget burn :P |
| 23:13.34 | Exit83 | windows talk :s |
| 23:13.36 | error403 | maher, just mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ? |
| 23:13.50 | waTR | Solet-deb: there is no 1024x768 option... Can I simply add one? |
| 23:13.50 | MobyTurbo | chandoo: just download the first ISO or netinst. The rest of the CDs are unnecesary if you have an internet connection. |
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| 23:13.57 | maher | error403: then do debootstrap sarge /mountpoint http://yourmirror |
| 23:13.58 | chandoo | i have windows also in my computer, will it recognise my windows partition |
| 23:14.00 | AigleDor | WiFiTux> the package may be missing or obselete |
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| 23:14.16 | Matong | WiFiTux, well I never got it working |
| 23:14.20 | WiFiTux | AigleDor: apt-get update ; apt-cache search x-window-system |
| 23:14.23 | maher | error403: yeah - make sure you mount it rw |
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| 23:14.31 | Exit83 | FieldySnuts srv and opt are even empty directory's and im sure i didnt made them |
| 23:14.36 | initech | Exit83: /srv is for shared data, like nfs exports or web root or an ftp site. /sys is kernel stuff (2.6). /opt is at your discretion. |
| 23:14.36 | MobyTurbo | chandoo: unlike Fedora it has read-only NTFS support and as usual supports FAT and VFAT |
| 23:14.40 | error403 | maher, you mean with kubuntu already on the hard drive, or from the Kubuntu install CD? |
| 23:14.40 | Solet-deb | waTR: whats it say for horizsync and vertrefresh in the monitor section? |
| 23:14.41 | slowmo | Any est of a completion date on 2.10 of gnome? |
| 23:14.43 | maher | error403: if its got a partial failed install delete everything |
| 23:14.43 | Exit83 | so i was wondering, well, why are they there |
| 23:14.48 | WiFiTux | Matong: rfswitch.sf.net |
| 23:14.57 | error403 | maher, you mean with kubuntu already on the hard drive, or from the Kubuntu install CD? |
| 23:14.58 | Solet-deb | slomo: its out... for over a week now |
| 23:14.59 | abrotman | no |
| 23:15.08 | slowmo | Solet-deb: gnome-panel be broke |
| 23:15.09 | rvalles | had no luck with debian and this machine |
| 23:15.13 | rvalles | I'll try netbsd |
| 23:15.14 | slowmo | Solet-deb: I didnt a stupid thing |
| 23:15.17 | WiFiTux | abrotman: any idea how to configure? |
| 23:15.18 | Exit83 | initech thx, but i still dont quite understand |
| 23:15.23 | error403 | maher, ill use the Sarge install to partition first them |
| 23:15.23 | gpm | slowmo: if you really want it, use experimental |
| 23:15.25 | initech | Exit83: this is all part of the filsystem heirarchy standard |
| 23:15.26 | gpm | slowmo: it's all there |
| 23:15.27 | abrotman | no |
| 23:15.27 | error403 | *then |
| 23:15.28 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 23:15.31 | nanok | Exit83: read the FHS, that will explain a lot.. ;) |
| 23:15.33 | maher | error403: i assumed you had a computer with a hd which you wished to install stable onto, and you were currently booted to a live cd |
| 23:15.34 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 23:15.40 | glick | god what can i do to drive sleepiness away? |
| 23:15.40 | error403 | maher, yes |
| 23:15.47 | initech | Exit83: google for "linux FHS" |
| 23:15.48 | Exit83 | nanoch will do, googling again |
| 23:15.50 | AigleDor | WiFiTux> I'am doing an Install from CDs, apt-cache search x-window-system finds the package, I really don't understand! |
| 23:15.50 | chandoo | i have broadband connection and dlink DWLG520 wifi card, is it possible to enable network, it uses athreos chipset |
| 23:15.54 | waTR | Solet-deb: HorizSync28-50 - VertRefresh43-75 |
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| 23:16.01 | slowmo | gpm: I tried, just depend errors |
| 23:16.04 | maher | error403: ok - mount the partition to which you wish to install stable |
| 23:16.10 | WiFiTux | glick: have laptop mode there? |
| 23:16.14 | gpm | slowmo: EXPERIMENTAL, not unstable |
| 23:16.15 | Solet-deb | slomo... maybe its broke on sid or some shit cause it argues with the old xf86... but it works fine i've been playing with it on livecd |
| 23:16.20 | error403 | maher, should i mount / and /home, yes? |
| 23:16.22 | maher | chandoo: probably madwifi |
| 23:16.27 | glick | WiFiTux, laptop mode? |
| 23:16.30 | gpm | Solet-deb: it's not fully in sid yet |
| 23:16.35 | slowmo | gpm: #deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib |
| 23:16.36 | WiFiTux | AigleDor: dunno, think. |
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| 23:16.44 | WiFiTux | glick: drive sleeping? |
| 23:16.46 | maher | error403: ? do you want a fresh install? |
| 23:16.46 | slowmo | gpm: Will that line work |
| 23:16.50 | gpm | slowmo: no |
| 23:16.52 | error403 | maher, yes |
| 23:17.00 | glick | WiFiTux, im sleepy but need to stay awake and study |
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| 23:17.04 | Solet-deb | gpm: i know |
| 23:17.07 | error403 | maher, i am having /home on a separate partition |
| 23:17.09 | WiFiTux | glick: ahh you. |
| 23:17.11 | maher | error403: then there is nothing to mount except the blank partition? |
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| 23:17.15 | WiFiTux | glick: redbull |
| 23:17.16 | glick | hehe |
| 23:17.20 | error403 | maher, 2 partitions |
| 23:17.22 | slowmo | gpm: #deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main |
| 23:17.28 | error403 | maher, /home on /hda2 |
| 23:17.29 | glick | redbull tastes like diareah |
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| 23:17.32 | waTR | Solet-deb: HorizSync28-50 - VertRefresh43-75 |
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| 23:17.33 | maher | error403: ok - don't mount anything except the partition which will be root |
| 23:17.33 | AigleDor | WiFiTux> what? |
| 23:17.35 | Solet-deb | waTR: then yes you can add the resolution option, change Modes "800x600" to `Modes "1024x768", "800x600" |
| 23:17.44 | gpm | slowmo: yes. but you don't want to just dist-upgrade ... apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment -t experimental |
| 23:17.46 | Solet-deb | waTR: i saw the first time :) |
| 23:17.47 | waTR | ahh |
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| 23:17.49 | Exit83 | FHS was quite good help!! thx for the lead, apparently, i found old sites :d |
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| 23:17.55 | slowmo | gpm: oh |
| 23:18.00 | waTR | Solet-deb: hehe just incase... there is a lot of chatter in here LOL |
| 23:18.03 | WiFiTux | AigleDor: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 x-window-system or something |
| 23:18.03 | damo1987 | hello! would anybody be able to help me access data using my card reader? 'fdisk -l' doesn't show it but 'lsusb' shows the device as 'Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1019:0c55'. i know it will work be cause i have used it in linux before. |
| 23:18.15 | waTR | Solet-deb: thanks very much :) |
| 23:18.19 | maher | damo1987: do you have hotplug installed and runnin |
| 23:18.19 | gpm | Solet-deb: i think he was asking about when it'll be fully in sid |
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| 23:18.28 | Solet-deb | waTR: yes... it seems the sunday from this past monday has yet to wear off |
| 23:18.28 | dogayonv | Hi Everyone |
| 23:18.37 | WiFiTux | damo1987: check dmesg |
| 23:18.42 | dogayonv | Whats the next codename release called? |
| 23:18.44 | MobyTurbo | !sing sunday |
| 23:18.44 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 23:18.46 | slowmo | gpm: thanks you very much |
| 23:18.49 | gpm | dogayonv: etch |
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| 23:18.50 | MobyTurbo | dogayonv: etch |
| 23:18.53 | Solet-deb | gpm: he's asking when will something be stable in sid?... thats basicly what you just said.... sillyness is silly |
| 23:18.54 | K_Dallas | has anyone here tried to mix teTeX from experimental with Sid and Sarge? |
| 23:18.57 | WiFiTux | itch :) |
| 23:19.01 | dogayonv | how stable is etch/ |
| 23:19.13 | gpm | Solet-deb: no, he's asking when he'll be able to install gnome via apt in sid |
| 23:19.16 | dondelelcaro | dogayonv: it's testing. Who knows? |
| 23:19.18 | sekio | dogayonv: it was just created like a mont hago |
| 23:19.18 | AigleDor | WiFiTux> X Window System: This metapackage provides substantially all the components of the X Window System as developed by the XFree86 Project, as well as a set of historically popular accessory programs. |
| 23:19.18 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: what makes you think that's something you want to do? |
| 23:19.29 | error403 | maher, i have to wait for the installer to do the hardware detection, yes? |
| 23:19.30 | dogayonv | how can I upgrade my system to it using apt? |
| 23:19.36 | maher | error403: what? |
| 23:19.40 | WiFiTux | AigleDor: now install it apt-get -f install |
| 23:19.42 | mattl | now that Sarge is released, do I just replace 'testing' with 'stable' in my sources.list and run the normal update, upgrade, dist-upgrade? |
| 23:19.43 | error403 | maher, before mounting |
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| 23:19.47 | gpm | RTFM |
| 23:19.51 | K_Dallas | MobyTurbo, tetex 3 is only on experimental, other packages are either on sarge or sid |
| 23:19.53 | maher | error403: what on earth are you doing? |
| 23:19.58 | Solet-deb | gpm: yeah but he was complaining about the panel issue... the panel issue being an instability issue from what i understand.... |
| 23:19.58 | sekio | mattl: yes |
| 23:19.59 | damo1987 | maher: how do i know if hotplug is running? |
| 23:20.09 | chandoo | maher yes madwifi i am using on fedora |
| 23:20.13 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: what features does it have that you need now? |
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| 23:20.15 | maher | damo1987: ps auxw | grep hotplug |
| 23:20.18 | mattl | sekio, thanks :) |
| 23:20.19 | error403 | maher, using debootstrap... but i have nothing in /dev to mount |
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| 23:20.23 | dogayonv | exit |
| 23:20.24 | gpm | Solet-deb: no, gnome fails to install because it depends on panel which depends on some other shit that hasn't been put into sid yet |
| 23:20.26 | dogayonv | |
| 23:20.31 | Exit83 | okay, im reading on /opt, so this is for add-on applications, buit what =exactly= si add-on application software?? |
| 23:20.40 | maher | damo1987: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart |
| 23:20.48 | chandoo | maher is it possible to enable wifi network during installation |
| 23:20.49 | WiFiTux | gpm: not true. try again. start with gnome-core |
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| 23:21.02 | maher | chandoo: probably not easily |
| 23:21.04 | gpm | WiFiTux: gnome-core fails because of panel... |
| 23:21.06 | gpm | happy? |
| 23:21.10 | Solet-deb | gpm: oh ok.... i dont run sid i was just going on hearsay... and i dont know shit for linux regardless.... you win :) |
| 23:21.18 | trc | aptitude giving trouble: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode. |
| 23:21.20 | maher | error403: are you booted to the live cd |
| 23:21.21 | WiFiTux | gpm: it works for me. |
| 23:21.24 | Exit83 | WiFiTux: its true what gpm says |
| 23:21.28 | K_Dallas | MobyTurbo, some of the stuff they have like the new omega, fmutils, etc |
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| 23:21.38 | AigleDor | WiFiTux> why using -f?? my system is not broken, i made a fresh install! |
| 23:21.41 | WiFiTux | Exit83: them most be broken just today or so |
| 23:21.44 | error403 | maher, yes |
| 23:21.47 | K_Dallas | and lots of new packages, koma ... |
| 23:21.47 | chandoo | maher :( |
| 23:21.48 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: if I were you I wouldn't play with experimental. |
| 23:21.56 | WiFiTux | AigleDor: then why are you having trouble? |
| 23:21.56 | maher | error403: what is the name of the hd - /dev/hda? |
| 23:22.03 | ethics | Gnome in Sid is BROKEN and has been for 2 days....it wont be fixed for several days....done over it yet? |
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| 23:22.09 | error403 | maher, yes it is |
| 23:22.09 | K_Dallas | MobyTurbo, i had installed it without much problem last time when sarge was testing |
| 23:22.10 | Solet-deb | if you want gnome 2.10 on sid just download it from gnome.org... then just directly dpkg it and fuck apt... |
| 23:22.15 | damo1987 | maher: yes it was running and i've restarted it but still doesn't show up in fdisk -l, dmesg shows it though |
| 23:22.22 | error403 | maher, not a livecd, an installation CD |
| 23:22.26 | AigleDor | WiFiTux> "apt-get install x-window-system" doesn't work! |
| 23:22.29 | error403 | maher, should i be using a livecd? |
| 23:22.34 | WiFiTux | ethics: now that you mention. It is broken. It did broke my CPU monitor |
| 23:22.35 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: there's a big difference between installing something from testing and experimental |
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| 23:22.42 | chandoo | so far i am using fedora core, is debian having good and smooth GUI rendering capabilities, i like GOOD GUI |
| 23:22.45 | maher | error403: yes - use a live cd |
| 23:22.48 | Exit83 | AigleDor aint it x-windowS-system |
| 23:22.55 | error403 | maher, ok, sorry >.< |
| 23:22.55 | glick | starting this week lasting for 10 days |
| 23:22.58 | maher | damo1987: try dmesg | grep sd |
| 23:23.07 | K_Dallas | MobyTurbo, tetex is not really that intrusive package imo |
| 23:23.07 | glick | and im gonna publish my results in sociology today |
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| 23:23.11 | WiFiTux | AigleDor: dude, I don't care. try apt-get -f install ; apt-get install x-window-system |
| 23:23.15 | error403 | maher, as long as it is debian-based, yes? |
| 23:23.18 | MobyTurbo | Exit83: no, you're confusing it with a certain MS operating system |
| 23:23.22 | K_Dallas | if it did not work, i could always remove it |
| 23:23.28 | trc | aptitude giving trouble: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode. |
| 23:23.29 | paulswm | glick: and the experiment is...? |
| 23:23.31 | Exit83 | MobyTurbo alas its true :( |
| 23:23.31 | maher | error403: as long as it has debootstrap and sees yournetwork |
| 23:23.42 | nanok | trc: run aptitude as root |
| 23:23.50 | trc | nanok: i did |
| 23:23.54 | K_Dallas | MobyTurbo, but that is why i asked to see if anyone has some experience with it |
| 23:24.03 | nanok | trc: or run aptitude without any other dpkg related processes |
| 23:24.12 | glick | paulswm, im gonna see how responsive women are to the direct approach of asking them out whereever you run into them and at the spur of the moment |
| 23:24.13 | ethics | WiFiTux, hey if you can fix it yourself good luck to you...8) i know there are working versions on peoples boxes atm but if you cant fix it yourself you shouldnt whinge about it. not that you were but its been 2 and a half days of wheres non-us, my gnome broke and when is xorg in testing....it gets a bit old 8) |
| 23:24.15 | K_Dallas | if not, i will let you know in a week or two if i ever get into any trouble ;) |
| 23:24.20 | KidIkarus | I tried making my ip static and it didn't work so I set the interfaces file back to what is was and now debian cannot read /etc/network/interfaces when booting |
| 23:24.24 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: there must be a reason why they didn't just put it in sid like most packages. |
| 23:24.31 | trc | nanok: thats the case, no other process dpkg related |
| 23:24.37 | K_Dallas | well, only if i knew |
| 23:24.44 | damo1987 | maher: ye it says there are 3 scsi removeable disks sda at scsi1,2,3 |
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| 23:24.53 | ethics | glick: do it naked in a trnchcoat .. |
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| 23:24.58 | paulswm | glick: That takes some nerve, good luck :) |
| 23:25.07 | glick | ethics, no this is a real experiment |
| 23:25.11 | maher | damo1987: that's probably your flash disk, unless you have scsi hard disks of course |
| 23:25.12 | glick | hehe paulswm i know |
| 23:25.12 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: there's a good metric for these situations. "If you need to ask you shouldn't" |
| 23:25.16 | donw | Any recommendations for a good SATA/RAID-aware rescue CD? |
| 23:25.17 | WiFiTux | ethics: no one complains. I don't care either. and cool that xorg is in testing. It has been for the last years |
| 23:25.20 | nanok | trc: sure about that? ps aux | grep dpkg ? |
| 23:25.20 | AigleDor | WiFiTux> -f doesn't change anything |
| 23:25.28 | nanok | trc: ps aux | grep apt? |
| 23:25.35 | trc | nanok: almost sure, let me check |
| 23:25.38 | WiFiTux | AigleDor: then I don't know. |
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| 23:25.43 | Exit83 | AigleDor what error do you get while trying to apt-get x? |
| 23:25.54 | K_Dallas | MobyTurbo, i understand it and boldy going to take the risk or i have to go to my windows for latexing which i hate to do even though miTeX is pretty neat |
| 23:25.57 | glick | i think woman like guys with nerve (a.k.a balls) thats why "nice" guys are always asking "what does she see in that assshole" |
| 23:26.01 | paulswm | glick: a one liner in case you need it: |
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| 23:26.02 | paulswm | Guy: "Would you like to dance?" |
| 23:26.02 | paulswm | Girl: "I don't care for this song and surely wouldn't dance with you." |
| 23:26.02 | paulswm | Guy: "I'm sorry, you must have misunderstood me, I said you look fat in those pants" |
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| 23:26.13 | glick | hehe |
| 23:26.15 | damo1987 | maher: no i don't have scsi hard disks but they still show up when i take the disk out |
| 23:26.17 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: you can't use the current version of tetex? |
| 23:26.18 | donw | glick: That sounds pretty accurate. |
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| 23:26.38 | K_Dallas | MobyTurbo, i have to install a lot of packages manually and i hate to do that with tetex |
| 23:26.42 | trc | nanok: trc@hpd:~$ ps aux | grep apt |
| 23:26.42 | trc | root 8598 0.6 2.6 15712 13652 pts/0 S+ 18:06 0:05 aptitude |
| 23:26.42 | trc | trc 9181 0.0 0.1 1836 592 pts/1 S+ 18:23 0:00 grep apt |
| 23:26.42 | trc | trc@hpd:~$ ps aux | grep dpkg |
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| 23:26.48 | maher | damo1987: that's cos dmesg is a log file - so you are getting all the previous ones |
| 23:26.52 | error403 | heh |
| 23:26.57 | K_Dallas | lol, flood-kicking is working |
| 23:27.01 | abrotman | no |
| 23:27.01 | maher | damo1987: put it back in and look at the last sd message |
| 23:27.03 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
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| 23:27.03 | error403 | 4 lines the trigger? |
| 23:27.03 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 23:27.04 | K_Dallas | !lol |
| 23:27.07 | abrotman | dmesg is the last boot iirc |
| 23:27.10 | K_Dallas | you got me moby ;) |
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| 23:27.22 | paulswm | error403: I though so, but three lines just got me, worth it though |
| 23:27.23 | glick | im gonna post a daily journal of results and my progress on dbsmut.bet |
| 23:27.36 | error403 | heh |
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| 23:27.43 | glick | dbsmut.net |
| 23:27.49 | trc | nanok: nothing running except the instance by root |
| 23:27.51 | Exit83 | on the chick thing?? |
| 23:27.55 | glick | Exit83, yeah |
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| 23:27.58 | Exit83 | lol |
| 23:28.00 | Exit83 | go for it |
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| 23:28.18 | Exit83 | make sure you got a pic of every chick, be4 and after you tried |
| 23:28.19 | Exit83 | :d |
| 23:28.23 | AigleDor | Exit83> WiFiTux> "no version of x-window-system is avaiable, but it exists in the database, this means in general that the package is missing, became obselete, or avaible on another source" (sorry for the bad translation) |
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| 23:28.33 | nanok | trc: maybe you have one that "died" unexpectadlly, and there is a stale lock file..allthough it is strange.. |
| 23:28.42 | paulswm | glick: If things don't go that well, we'll also keep an eye out on the Philly Police web site |
| 23:28.44 | damo1987 | maher: dmesg says new device at 5 sda scsi3 0,0,0 |
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| 23:28.46 | MobyTurbo | AigleDor: apt-setup, then apt-get update |
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| 23:28.59 | Exit83 | AigleDor /etc/apt/sources.list maybe bad servers |
| 23:29.04 | glick | paulswm, lol im not gonna be a creep |
| 23:29.14 | maher | damo1987: try mount /dev/sda /some/dir |
| 23:29.22 | trc | nanok: hmm, could be, don't know: whats the procedure to eliminate the problem? (Thanks!) |
| 23:29.25 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 23:29.25 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a linspire user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 23:29.25 | glick | this is all in the name of "social science" |
| 23:29.37 | AigleDor | MobyTurbo> Exit83> I am installing from CDs (I have CD1 and CD2 in sources.list) |
| 23:29.37 | MobyTurbo | the !lols will continue until moralle improves |
| 23:29.38 | paulswm | glick: I know, j/k, I got kicked but I hope you enjoyed the dance joke |
| 23:29.43 | paulswm | Nooo! |
| 23:29.56 | glick | hehe |
| 23:29.56 | paulswm | !irritate MobyTurbo |
| 23:29.57 | dpkg | MobyTurbo: HELP ME!!! how can I make my mepis werkz !!!! |
| 23:29.57 | Exit83 | AigleDor since you are on the net, try doing it from the net |
| 23:29.57 | nanok | trc: dont really know, never happened to me ... :-? .. |
| 23:29.59 | glick | later bbl |
| 23:30.09 | error403 | hehe |
| 23:30.12 | glick | check out my journal, by tomorrow it will be up |
| 23:30.13 | nanok | trc: start by trying to run apt-get install -f (after closing aptitude) |
| 23:30.14 | AigleDor | Exit83> no i am on another machine |
| 23:30.15 | glick | read along! |
| 23:30.18 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 23:30.18 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 23:30.23 | Matong | WiFiTux, well, the card is a pcmcia |
| 23:30.24 | trc | nanok: hmm, thanks anyway, will try that |
| 23:30.25 | Exit83 | AigleDor ow, that s*cks |
| 23:30.27 | nanok | trc: and see what it says, it should be helpfull.. |
| 23:30.31 | flosch | night |
| 23:30.34 | WiFiTux | Matong: still |
| 23:30.45 | damo1987 | maher: says 'no medium found'! |
| 23:31.20 | AigleDor | Exit83> it may be a bug? i really don't understand where the problem comes from |
| 23:31.22 | maher | damo1987: is there a sd? entry in cat /proc/partitions |
| 23:31.25 | nanok | damo1987: is it a card reader or something, with...no card in it?.. :) |
| 23:31.37 | Matong | WiFiTux, and rfswitch did it for you? |
| 23:31.43 | Exit83 | AigleDor neither do i, i always use netinstall, makes it more up to date |
| 23:31.51 | paulswm | Well, I'm off, you all stay safe, and, don't forget, it's fucking called 'unstable' for a reason! |
| 23:31.53 | damo1987 | maher: no sd's |
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| 23:32.03 | error403 | maher, is there a way to autodetect hard drives? because the LiveCD i am using wont... |
| 23:32.14 | AigleDor | Exit83> i have no network adapter on that machine :/ |
| 23:32.22 | Exit83 | im wondering, is there something like linux jokes? you know like, so one day windows walks into a bar |
| 23:32.27 | maher | error403: dmesg | grep hd |
| 23:32.37 | error403 | maher, done it |
| 23:32.40 | MobyTurbo | Exit83: check out the fortune files |
| 23:32.42 | Exit83 | AigleDor: really cant help, im not by far a linux expert |
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| 23:32.48 | maher | damo1987: can you paste the last 10 lines of dmesg in #flood |
| 23:32.49 | error403 | maher, what was that line again? |
| 23:32.55 | error403 | maher, to install? |
| 23:32.59 | WiFiTux | Matong: I never had a problem. If you say that the radio is off, then use rfswitch |
| 23:33.00 | Exit83 | MobyTurbo how do i do that? |
| 23:33.11 | maher | error403: di you mount the partition? |
| 23:33.11 | AigleDor | Exit83> thanx anyway ;) |
| 23:33.16 | error403 | maher, ARGH! no debootstrap |
| 23:33.24 | maher | error403: what live cd |
| 23:33.25 | MobyTurbo | Exit83: install fortune and some fortune files. |
| 23:33.26 | Matong | does anyone know, why the original [ unstable ] packages of mozilla-firefox are lacking the copy and paste with the middle mouse button? If I am using mozilla's original binaries, it works |
| 23:33.27 | Exit83 | AigleDor: hope you find the solution :s |
| 23:33.36 | Exit83 | MobyTurbo: ow ith a program lol |
| 23:33.44 | error403 | maher, Mepis >.< The only LiveCD i have hanging around |
| 23:33.45 | Exit83 | MobyTurbo: i thought it was oemthing in here :d |
| 23:33.46 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 23:33.46 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a knoppix user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
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| 23:34.08 | damo1987 | maher: it's in flood |
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| 23:34.32 | Matong | WiFiTux, the problem is, that the card seems working in ad_hoc-mode [ both leds are woriking ] but in managed mode, the card does not seem to do anything |
| 23:34.43 | maher | error403: well - i dunno - i think knoppix has debootstrap |
| 23:34.48 | deadcat | Matong: what card? |
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| 23:35.10 | pipeline | error403, maher : If knoppix doesn't have debootstrap, it wouldn't be all that hard to /get/ debootstrap :P |
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| 23:35.32 | Solet-deb_ | bbiab installing new agp matrox card..... (its not going to hurt the card when it tries to use the wrong drivers is it? |
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| 23:35.39 | maher | pipeline: can you tell error403 how to install debootstrap on a mepis live cd |
| 23:35.39 | WiFiTux | Matong: dunno, do some google |
| 23:35.46 | chandoo | there are 14 ISO cd's for Debian to download |
| 23:35.50 | chandoo | :O |
| 23:35.57 | Exit83 | indeed :d |
| 23:35.58 | MobyTurbo | chandoo: just download one, netinst |
| 23:36.00 | Solet-deb_ | chandoo just get the netinstall |
| 23:36.06 | Exit83 | chandoo: hats why i use netinst :d |
| 23:36.07 | nanok | Solet-deb_: disable x just before the upgrade.. ? |
| 23:36.12 | Matong | deadcat, card is Acer WLAN 11b PCMCIA Card [ rtl8180l based ] |
| 23:36.38 | deadcat | Matong: dont they have 3rd party driver for that? or ndiswrapper? |
| 23:36.40 | Solet-deb_ | nanok: how? and how do i reinable it once i have the xf86config-4 fixed? |
| 23:36.40 | error403 | maher, ill try a different way |
| 23:36.42 | chandoo | can i compile madwifi driver if i get netinstall |
| 23:36.46 | Matong | WiFiTux, did end in nothing. ndiswrapper-list told me, that card should work |
| 23:36.56 | error403 | maher, ill try my kubuntu installer after it has detected my hardware |
| 23:36.58 | MobyTurbo | chandoo: apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:36.59 | WiFiTux | Matong: using weo? |
| 23:37.00 | WiFiTux | wep |
| 23:37.11 | damo1987 | maher: 10 lines b4 in #flood too |
| 23:37.14 | MobyTurbo | chandoo: also kernel-headers or source |
| 23:37.28 | maher | damo1987: still no sd n cat /proc/partitions |
| 23:37.30 | Matong | WiFiTux, with and without, tired everything :-( nothing worked |
| 23:37.40 | chandoo | MobyTurbo: madwifi is it by default supported |
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| 23:37.45 | WiFiTux | Matong: no association? |
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| 23:37.50 | chandoo | in order to run apt-get |
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| 23:38.02 | deadcat | Matong: when you iwconfig, does it show teh mac of the AP in the Access Point: thing? |
| 23:38.04 | damo1987 | maher: no all hda and my second hd hdb |
| 23:38.10 | Matong | deadcat, well, ndiswrapper and the latest realtek drivers |
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| 23:38.15 | damo1987 | maher: no sd |
| 23:38.18 | maher | damo1987: try mounting sda again - try sda1 too |
| 23:38.25 | maher | damo1987: i meant sda |
| 23:38.26 | error403 | pipeline, is there a way to get debootstrap onto a mepis livecd ? |
| 23:38.32 | nanok | Solet-deb_: do you use a desktop manager to start x? like kdm/xdm/gdm?.. |
| 23:38.33 | deadcat | damo1987: check /proc/partitions |
| 23:38.44 | nanok | Solet-deb_: than just use update-rc.d ;) |
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| 23:39.16 | deadcat | nanok: display managers |
| 23:39.21 | Matong | WiFiTux, deadcat: it does not find anythins [ iwlist scan -> no scan results ]. Also under no circumstances it associated with ap [ iwconfig wlan0 essid Acer mode Managed channel 1 ...] nothing |
| 23:39.39 | damo1987 | maher: no sda gives 'mount: No medium found' and sda1,2,3,4 etc give 'mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist' |
| 23:39.51 | Exit83 | hmmm |
| 23:39.55 | deadcat | Matong: get a better card. |
| 23:40.02 | Matong | deadcat, ;-) |
| 23:40.02 | Exit83 | i just got 235 erorr messages in thnderbird |
| 23:40.21 | Exit83 | The message cannot be represented in 7-bit ASCII encoding and has been sent as a binary attachment. |
| 23:40.23 | Exit83 | lol |
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| 23:40.30 | Exit83 | and the fiel is doc.scr |
| 23:40.30 | error403 | pipeline, ? |
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| 23:40.34 | Exit83 | file* |
| 23:40.38 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 23:40.38 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 23:40.44 | deadcat | Matong: no kidding. i have few here. and i am going crazy with them. prism54g usb, zd1211 (g), i got the prism2_usb to work |
| 23:40.56 | maher | damo1987: do you have the kernel modules sd_mod and scsi_mod loaded? |
| 23:40.58 | FieldySnuts | @lart usb "networking" |
| 23:41.01 | pipeline | error403: oh, probably. debootstrap is nontrivial. If you know what you're doing enough to use it, you'll probably figure out how to get it after booting a livecd. |
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| 23:41.06 | Wyzard | Does the "sid is once again literally unstable" note in the /topic mean that there are known major bugs today, or just that lots of new stuff is going in? |
| 23:41.18 | pipeline | error403: knoppix may make that easier because it has a read-write root filesystem after boot -- it maps a RAM-backed filesystem over the CD |
| 23:41.18 | maher | Wyzard: things are broken |
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| 23:41.27 | deadcat | Wyzard: dont upgrade (= |
| 23:41.32 | pipeline | Wyzard: Hundreds of megabytes of upgrades. Gnome is broken :P |
| 23:41.45 | error403 | pipeline, i have like 2 CDs left though... |
| 23:41.47 | error403 | >.< |
| 23:41.58 | pipeline | error403: Well, give it a shot with mepis, but don't expect us to help you :P |
| 23:42.01 | Wyzard | pipeline: Don't dist-upgrade, or don't even plain upgrade? |
| 23:42.10 | pipeline | Wyzard: Don't upgrade. |
| 23:42.14 | damo1987 | maher: no and i can't load them either |
| 23:42.16 | Wyzard | k |
| 23:42.17 | Matong | deadcat, the funny things is that the card worked [ other laptop, running windows 2k, network up and running, take card out pcmcia ( without stopping it ), put it in linux-laptop, modprobe ndiswrapper -> got card running ] So I think that the windows-driver uses anykind of softswitch or whar else to get it running |
| 23:42.17 | deadcat | Wyzard: just wait till shits settle down |
| 23:42.21 | WiFiTux | Wyzard: no nothing |
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| 23:42.30 | pipeline | Wyzard: I'm using icewm because gnome is missing fundamental packages :) |
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| 23:42.37 | maher | damo1987: what kernel |
| 23:42.41 | deadcat | Matong: they are expected to work under windows. else they wouldnt make the shit |
| 23:43.00 | damo1987 | maher: 2.6, will i have to recompile it again? |
| 23:43.09 | error403 | pipeline, i know, mepis is lame, but i need to get this back up >.< |
| 23:43.11 | maher | damo1987: did you compile it yourself? |
| 23:43.18 | WiFiTux | Matong: buy a Cisco or Orinoco card |
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| 23:43.33 | deadcat | Matong: no. prism2 cards. orinoco are useless shits now. |
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| 23:43.38 | damo1987 | maher: yes, did i leave something out? |
| 23:43.40 | Matong | WiFiTux, well, everything has its price |
| 23:43.54 | maher | damo1987: yes - try using a standard kernel - they come with everything |
| 23:43.57 | shingouz | deadcat: i beg to differ on the orinocos |
| 23:43.57 | Matong | deadcat, what I do not understand, that others got their cards working |
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| 23:44.19 | deadcat | shingouz: they are shits. i have few. cant master/aireplay, can barely kismet |
| 23:44.20 | WiFiTux | Matong: $12? |
| 23:44.22 | WiFiTux | Matong: linuxant.com |
| 23:44.24 | damo1987 | maher: do you know where the section is to include when i compile again? |
| 23:44.26 | patad | can anyone help me get a port unblocked? |
| 23:44.42 | deadcat | Matong: its called luck when it comes to ndis |
| 23:44.43 | maher | damo1987: no - i use standard kernels for that very reason |
| 23:44.53 | shingouz | deadcat: i have a few too, the aireplay part is true but they do rfmon very well |
| 23:44.59 | WiFiTux | patad: explain |
| 23:45.01 | FieldySnuts | its called use real hardware instead |
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| 23:45.14 | error403 | is knoppix a useful LiveCD to have? |
| 23:45.20 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 23:45.21 | deadcat | shingouz: can it do master mode? the hermesAP driver is no more i believe |
| 23:45.29 | OBGurl | I updated woody>sarge, tried to boot and got 'LI'. So I used a live CD, mounted /dav/hda1 to see what the issue was with lilo. Everything looked fine... but /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19-reiserfs is GONE! Any reports /boot being wiped? |
| 23:45.40 | webuadata | did anyone ever hear of gnutella-kte or something of that kind? |
| 23:45.42 | damo1987 | maher: ok, thank you very much for all your help, at least i now know where the problem lies. |
| 23:45.44 | webuadata | Thats the program im looking for. |
| 23:45.59 | Matong | WiFiTux, driverloader? this is in my opinion ndiswrapper with a http-gui [ I tried it, didn't work either ] |
| 23:46.08 | patad | WiFiTux, i have a firewall in /etc/init.d and im trying to prerout to a client box |
| 23:46.20 | patad | WiFiTux, i need port 4626 open |
| 23:46.21 | maher | OBGurl: try setting up lilo to use a different kernel - maybe a 2.4 or 2.6 one perhaps... |
| 23:46.21 | shingouz | deadcat: i haven't tried to tell the truth, i use the orinocos for kismet only, i have others to do the rest of the stuff. i like the orinocos a lot because they can be used with two external antennas |
| 23:46.24 | WiFiTux | Matong: it does work. If it doesn't for ya, you suck |
| 23:46.25 | Exit83 | webuadata: gtk-gnutella?? |
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| 23:46.37 | cuti | hey |
| 23:46.38 | webuadata | yeah thats it Exit |
| 23:46.38 | webuadata | tahnks |
| 23:46.51 | newbie | hi guys! is there any java runtime plugins availble in the packages? |
| 23:46.58 | cuti | how come my firefox is extremely slow when i open secure protocol site? |
| 23:47.00 | webuadata | Exit does it work |
| 23:47.01 | Exit83 | webuadata apt-cache search gnutella ;) |
| 23:47.01 | WiFiTux | patad: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m udp --dport 113 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:47.06 | OBGurl | maher there is nothing in /boot though. |
| 23:47.11 | PeTeRB | newbie: /msg dpkg java |
| 23:47.12 | WiFiTux | patad: change 113 for your port |
| 23:47.14 | cuti | i use firefox 1.0.4 version |
| 23:47.24 | pipeline | error403: I wasn't being mean, I just don't know shit about mepis and I don't intend to learn. |
| 23:47.27 | maher | OBGurl: are you chrooted to the mounted hd? |
| 23:47.32 | patad | WiFiTux, can that be done in console? |
| 23:47.37 | deadcat | shingouz: ya. the external antenna is ok. other than that the orinoco us outdated. there are prism cards with external antenna as well. and orinoco cant do WPA either. so i can get 1 prism card to do all that. |
| 23:47.37 | OBGurl | maher yep. :) |
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| 23:47.43 | Exit83 | cuti hy do you think its firefox? |
| 23:47.46 | WiFiTux | patad: it is console |
| 23:47.50 | MobyTurbo | !mepis |
| 23:47.50 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 23:47.52 | error403 | pipeline, fair enough |
| 23:48.01 | cuti | Exit83, because it's fast when i open it on opera |
| 23:48.01 | error403 | !sex |
| 23:48.01 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 23:48.01 | patad | becuase i have a conf file for a firewall WiFiTux |
| 23:48.02 | maher | OBGurl: install a new kernel using apt-get / dselect / aptitude / whatever |
| 23:48.17 | OBGurl | maher mounted /dev/hda1 to a temp dir... 'chroot temp1' |
| 23:48.18 | deadcat | error403: that turn you on or something? |
| 23:48.19 | Exit83 | cuti thats a good argument ;) |
| 23:48.27 | error403 | deadcat, no, but funny as hell |
| 23:48.29 | Exit83 | cuti maybe some settings you mdae in firefox |
| 23:48.30 | dan2 | heh |
| 23:48.30 | cuti | Exit83, it takes me about 4 minutes to load it on firefox |
| 23:48.32 | cuti | i dont know why |
| 23:48.35 | maher | OBGurl: yes - that's good |
| 23:48.36 | Exit83 | cuti thats long :s |
| 23:48.40 | cuti | ya |
| 23:48.47 | Exit83 | whats it the url? |
| 23:48.52 | Exit83 | ill try |
| 23:48.54 | patad | Invalid Argument, Wifi |
| 23:48.58 | Exit83 | i use 1.0.4 |
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| 23:49.17 | cuti | Exit83, https://commerce.paltalk.com/mpt/ControllerServlet?RequestId=MyPalTalk.AutoLogin&src=Groups&apid=822&uid=8394312&login_key=604726931 << this site |
| 23:49.26 | OBGurl | maher I'm not worried about the system, going to wipe it and do a clean install. Just would like to know what when wrong during the upgrade woody>sarge |
| 23:49.26 | cuti | very slow on firefox |
| 23:49.38 | shingouz | deadcat: *two* externals. most of the orinocos can do it with a minor hack and the 3c737a has a removable antenna with two MMCX connectors behind it. the RF gain is amazing with decent antennas :) |
| 23:49.47 | Exit83 | cuti opened with no problem |
| 23:49.55 | cuti | ohhhh |
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| 23:49.58 | cuti | weired |
| 23:49.59 | Exit83 | cuti maybe a cookie you didnt aceepted or so? |
| 23:50.04 | Exit83 | accepted * |
| 23:50.05 | cuti | i dont know |
| 23:50.08 | WiFiTux | patad: worked? |
| 23:50.08 | cuti | very strange |
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| 23:50.37 | Exit83 | cuti go to edit preferences and erase all cookies |
| 23:50.39 | patad | WiFiTux, no mate... |
| 23:50.40 | maher | OBGurl: there aren't any 2.2 kernels in sarge - maybe apt decided to remove it but somehow failed to replace it - you didn't have a seprate boot partition by any chance? |
| 23:50.46 | deadcat | shingouz: i guess. another good thing about orinoco is that you can hack it to 13/14 channels. silver-> gold. |
| 23:50.48 | Exit83 | then reload and accept cookie, you never know |
| 23:50.48 | eddyp | how can I lock a screen (cammand screen) so that root can't connect to my session? |
| 23:50.53 | WiFiTux | patad: that was only for udp, need tcp now? |
| 23:50.55 | cuti | ok |
| 23:51.02 | patad | WiFiTux, yes |
| 23:51.06 | Exit83 | eddyp talking about ssh? |
| 23:51.06 | OBGurl | maher Mmmm I think I did. |
| 23:51.06 | shingouz | deadcat: not that i have done it, of course ;) |
| 23:51.18 | eddyp | Exit83: talking about screen |
| 23:51.21 | Bangersssss | how do i see how big a directory is? |
| 23:51.23 | WiFiTux | patad: same, just replace the upd for tcp and then do iptables -L and check |
| 23:51.26 | deadcat | shingouz: (= |
| 23:51.29 | OBGurl | maher maybe not... want me to confirm? |
| 23:51.33 | pipeline | Bangersssss: du, du -h, du -s |
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| 23:51.39 | deadcat | eddyp: ^a ^x |
| 23:51.40 | maher | OBGurl: look in fstab about /boot |
| 23:51.47 | Exit83 | normally if you use gdm/xdm or so you can prevent root from logging in |
| 23:51.53 | pipeline | Bangersssss: Note that "du -hs /directory" is different from "du -hs /directory/*" |
| 23:51.55 | Exit83 | or it should be |
| 23:51.55 | WiFiTux | patad: i'm assuming your firewall is with iptables |
| 23:51.56 | patad | WiFiTux, done nicely, but i want it to rout to a\ different box |
| 23:52.01 | patad | WiFiTux, yes |
| 23:52.02 | OBGurl | heh I know... jsut a sec, need to run downstairs. |
| 23:52.19 | Exit83 | unless again, im totally missing the question :s |
| 23:52.20 | WiFiTux | patad: #iptables |
| 23:52.22 | eddyp | deadcat: yes, but the screen appaers to be detached, and I can connect from another console |
| 23:52.29 | WiFiTux | patad: or add a route |
| 23:52.41 | cuti | Exit83, same thing |
| 23:52.53 | Exit83 | cuti that is really odd :o |
| 23:52.58 | cuti | yeah |
| 23:53.01 | deadcat | eddyp: no. works for me.. you lock it. then detach it. |
| 23:53.11 | shingouz | deadcat: the only niggle i have with the 3coms is that i have so far been unable to find a 2.5x firmware for the other one i have, the 2.3x firmware on it seems to be incapable of rfmon while the other running the 2.5x is. 3com seems to supply only up to 2.0. asshats. |
| 23:53.14 | Bangersssss | pipeline: thanks!! |
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| 23:53.47 | eddyp | deadcat: I can't detach after lock, C-a x does not work |
| 23:53.51 | deadcat | shingouz: hehe. time to change chipsets (= |
| 23:54.01 | paulswm | Slacker! |
| 23:54.03 | deadcat | eddyp: ^a d to detach |
| 23:54.03 | shingouz | deadcat: and lose the RF? |
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| 23:54.08 | shingouz | paulswm: :p |
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| 23:54.09 | deadcat | shingouz: hahah |
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| 23:54.28 | Exit83 | cuti well, i hvave no cluie anymore, maybe try reinstall or ask again till someone with better knowledge can help you out |
| 23:54.30 | shingouz | deadcat: maybe a 200mW Senao or three... |
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| 23:54.37 | eddyp | deadcat: also screen -ls, ran on another console shows the screen detached after C-a x |
| 23:54.40 | deadcat | shingouz: oh ya. heard those rock |
| 23:54.47 | OBGurl | maher may I msg you? |
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| 23:54.54 | eddyp | deadcat: I meant ^a d before |
| 23:54.57 | shingouz | deadcat: there are a few guys on #kismet who swear by them |
| 23:54.58 | maher | OBGurl: yes |
| 23:55.16 | eddyp | deadcat: i mean the first time |
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| 23:55.36 | abofaisal | how do you right click in Debian PPC with a one button mouse? |
| 23:55.38 | deadcat | eddyp: i dont konw how you config it. but for me ^a ^x will lock it, then ^a d will detatchm and inorder to reatach i need the passwd |
| 23:55.47 | darkcmd | looking at the topic, what do you guys mean by non-us is no more? |
| 23:55.49 | eddyp | deadcat: I even managed to connect to a "locked" screen |
| 23:55.54 | paulswm | shingouz: Hey, have a safe night, I'm outta here, try not to beat up too many people :) |
| 23:55.56 | cuti | Exit83: i tried to reinstall |
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| 23:56.06 | deadcat | shingouz: i dont know how those senao cards look like |
| 23:56.18 | shingouz | paulswm: hehe.. i'll try to hide the larts. this is not sunday in anycase |
| 23:56.25 | cthulfuego | "The Beijing purple sky great wild goose can unfold the service limited company" |
| 23:56.29 | Exit83 | cuti and? |
| 23:56.30 | FieldySnuts | eek just lost power |
| 23:56.35 | deadcat | eddyp: bad for you i guess (=. your screen binary sucks heheh |
| 23:56.47 | cthulfuego | abofaisal: There are a few entries in /proc that help you. let me check them for you. |
| 23:56.48 | shingouz | deadcat: kinda like a Gold but there is no real antenna, accepts two externals on MMCX |
| 23:56.54 | abofaisal | ok |
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| 23:57.08 | eddyp | deadcat: by ^a you mean ctrl+a, right? |
| 23:57.20 | deadcat | eddyp: ya. oh. i think screen just suck. (= |
| 23:57.36 | eddyp | deadcat: there is no config |
| 23:57.39 | FieldySnuts | heh got it back, lost it again |
| 23:57.43 | deadcat | eddyp: when it comes to locking. man screen, theres an option you can put in .screenrc to require passwd |
| 23:57.43 | FieldySnuts | here comes the storm |
| 23:57.51 | cthulfuego | abofaisal: See /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/ |
| 23:57.56 | abofaisal | ok.. thanks |
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| 23:58.05 | cthulfuego | abofaisal: There's 3 files there to emulate mac key codes. |
| 23:58.16 | cuti | Exit83, and it didnt work :D |
| 23:58.18 | cthulfuego | abofaisal: I will paste you my setup from /etc/sysctl.comnf |
| 23:58.25 | Exit83 | cuti that is sooo odd lol |
| 23:58.26 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: i hope your ups is up to it and that you do not get hit by a lightning |
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| 23:58.42 | deadcat | eddyp: password [crypted_pw] |
| 23:58.50 | nanok | shingouz: hello there.. |
| 23:58.58 | cthulfuego | abofaisal: The 2 latter ones, 87 and 88 emulate middle and right mouse button via F11 and F12. |
| 23:58.58 | Dark-Schneider | hi all |
| 23:58.59 | cuti | lol yeah |
| 23:58.59 | shingouz | yo |
| 23:59.20 | cthulfuego | abofaisal: So basically, if this is set, hitting F12 willa ct as if you had pressed the right mouse button. |
| 23:59.23 | eddyp | deadcat: when I ^a ^x, the screen is locked on that session, as it waits for a password, but if I try to attach from another tty, then it allows me |
| 23:59.25 | abofaisal | i'd prefer to just have the standard option click i have in os x |
| 23:59.28 | darkcmd | does anyone else find it strange that the freebsd kernel source is in the GNU\Linux repo? |
| 23:59.30 | nanok | shingouz: related to last nights subject: the purchase was made, after all, hopefully a good choice :) |
| 23:59.33 | Dark-Schneider | is there somebody using a radeon and ply quake II here ?? |
| 23:59.34 | abofaisal | arrgh.. need to fix these colors in xchat.. killing me |
| 23:59.38 | deadcat | cthulfuego: mac keyboard? |
| 23:59.48 | FieldySnuts | out for a 3rd time just now and up. 1000VA ups, i'm fine |
| 23:59.51 | cthulfuego | deadcat: normal mac_hid options |
